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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So, we're back, and we're aboard the USS Voyager for season three, episode 19 Rise, which 1st aired on the 26th of February 1997.

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So it's nearly 30 years old.

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It's a story by Jimmy Diggs who wrote Dr. Bashir, I presume.

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And a few, a few episodes that we mentioned last time when we were rolling this because he's also responsible for Elogium, which was his 1st story.

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This concerning flight.

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The Omega directive, which played an important role in the Starfleet Academy season finale.

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Infinite regress and gravity.

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And I think we probably rejected 4 of those in our epic.

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It's not a great CV, Nathan.

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Dr. Pashir, I presume, is right at the top there.

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It's not his 1st one.

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I think that a low gym is the one that gets him the job.

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However, I want to lay a fair.

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I don't know.

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I want to lay a fair amount of the blame for this on the author of the screenplay, who is Brannan Braga, and I think that this exhibits a lot of his flaws.

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And he describes this as a rather flaccid script, according to memory alpha, and I think he's right.

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Well, whilst she was writing it afterwards?

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Afterwards, yeah.

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Well, he wrote the thing.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Make it less flaccid, man.

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Well, he could have done that at the time, but he didn't.

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Now, it's also directed by Robert Shearer, of whom we have a fair amount to say.

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He directed 11 episodes of TNG, including some real bangers.

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He did chain of command part one, for instance.

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Oh wow.

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He directed Shadow Play.

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And we have already seen him.

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That's a DS9 episode, I think.

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Is it the one that gets remained?

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the one with the little girl.

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Yeah, with the holograms, yeah. much better than the Enterprise one.

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And we have already done his other episode of Voyager, which is state of flux.

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Oh, we love that, didn't we?

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Yeah, we love that.

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You are a fool, Captain, and you're a fool to follow her.

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Oh, we love Cesca, don't we?

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Awesome.

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Robert, share.

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What went wrong here then?

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I don't know.

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This is his last one.

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And he had been going for a long time and, you know, who knows how much money there is, but I just think that eventually you run out of steam on these kinds of things because I think this is really boringly directed and I think it is not very well written.

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And like I can't help feeling the entire time I'm watching it, that there is actually something here, but it just needed to be done better.

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I don't think the whole idea is misconceived.

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I think that the idea of the space elevator works really well in the...

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Do you remember, we have already done the episode of Lower Decks, which includes a space elevator, which was the least dangerous game?

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Remember, where Ransom and Mariner are working on a space elevator?

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Were they taking the piss out of this?

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No, I don't think they were.

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I think that they...

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At some point the space elevator becomes a thing.

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I think it's in the air.

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And that sort of orbital tether where, so one end of it's attached to a satellite in geostationary orbit, and there's a big long, you know, impossibly long and heavy string, which could never ever work, but like whatever, and you've got the sort of maglev kind of engine thing.

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Like, I think that's an inventive idea.

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I think if they had more money and they were better at CG, the visuals could have been really impressive.

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They're not I've never seen heaven depicted in quite such a cardboard fashion before.

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It's really not.

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But you know what it is?

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It's like Charlie and the Chocolate Factory's great glass elevator, you know, that goes up and just keeps going.

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It's such a magical idea.

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I don't know how they possibly managed to find a plot this tedious to get up with that.

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But like the idea of a story that opens with, you know, a disaster, that voyagers jumping straight into it, straight into the action, and they're destroying rocks.

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I know shit. that hasn't worked.

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We've got to go down to the planet.

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Great.

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We crash on the planet.

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How the hell we need to get up back into orbit again.

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We're going to go up in this orbital tether.

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There's a murderer on the tether that's going to try and kill somebody, like as a as a linear action story.

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That's great, right?

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But the execution of all of it.

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I mean, all of it, you said it.

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It's the writing, it's the direction, it's certainly the guest.

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I mean, we've never been more murder she wrote of the week with our guest performances this week.

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But also as well, how it characterises Chewbok and Neelix.

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Now, the idea of sending the 2 of them off together, so they can find some common grounds, yeah?

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And, you know, initially being sparky with each other and then learning from each other, that's a brilliant idea for Star Trek premise and they're good characters and they're good actors.

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So on paper, this should all work.

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Unfortunately, how they characterise Chewbok and Neelix in this.

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I don't know that Tuvok learns a fucking thing throughout this episode.

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He's so stubborn.

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Yeah, I think he does.

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And I think he sort of moves over.

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Like there are definite, there's a definite sort of closing moment to his arc, which I think kind of works.

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But the problem is that it's Brannan Braga, and so he makes 2 Vok into just an asshole.

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And, you know, he's someone who's trained cadets, he's someone who's been in Starfleet for ages.

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Oh, you sure?

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All of these things.

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He's Janeway's mentor.

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He's highly regarded but he's just a prick in this.

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And Neelix, who I think comes off better, is still a whiny, you know, you know, like he's horribly whiny and unlikeable in certain scenes, and when he's kind of losing it, again, like he, these characters are both charming and funny, and in fact, they're really nicely paired together quite a lot of the time because they play off one another.

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And I think by 2.5 years in, they would have a better relationship.

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And certainly, there's a moment which I think is really quite good, where the female guest star turns on to Vulcan says you're condescending and sarcastic and unpleasant to him.

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And I thought that was a really good scene.

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Yeah, I like that bit as well.

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But we haven't have we seen any evidence of that for the last 2.5 years?

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but So frustrating is Nick Nick's hero moment where he stops the orbital tether and says, no, listen to me. you're gonna listen to me because I have instincts for this sort of thing and this is where I'm strong and you're not. and I need you to listen to me.

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And he still doesn't listen to him.

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Chewbot goes, well, I'm so sorry.

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I disagree.

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And then he just goes, well, I ain't turning the thing on then.

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So you're going to have to listen to me.

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Otherwise, we ain't going nowhere.

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And I'm thinking, that's no way to resolve this.

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It should have been that he was compelling in his argument.

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I mean, I think the actual problem is that it just hasn't really been thought through enough.

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Neelix is clearly very competent all the way through here and he's good at bringing the best out of people.

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There's an amazing scene, I think, where he has a knife held to his throat by one of the guest characters, but he actually retains his call and becomes quite friendly with her.

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She's the one who supports him later.

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And, you know, that's all done in one scene and he's not a panicky idiot.

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He's competent.

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He, you know, praises people for doing the right thing.

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He's really good.

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And then Tuvok actually criticises him for that. and says you should be solving the space engineering problems and stuff.

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But Tuvok, you know, he's an officer and he's got a rank.

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And like, I don't understand how he can operate if he's unaware that it's necessary to motivate people.

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And all of that stuff just seems to me to be kind of, it's a bit like...

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It's a little bit like Galileo 7.

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Remember?

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Like Galileo 7, the subplot, apart from when people are throwing spears at them, limply while wearing gorilla suits, kind of from outside the shuttle.

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The thing is that someone doesn't think that Spock is a good commander because he's a Vulcan and he doesn't have feelings and stuff, and we discover, in fact, yes, he is an incredibly great commander.

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And it's almost like Branden Braga seen that and just misunderstood what it's about or how it works because this is the opposite of that.

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You've got Tuvok who really is a dickhead and a bad commanding officer and you've got Neelix having to deal with that.

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And just the whole thing just leaves a terrible taste in your mouth, I think.

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The trouble is, I feel like there's a version of Tuvok that is in the writer's guide, which is he's just great sage, Vulcan, Janeway's best friend, taught at the academy, and all of this, yeah.

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And that's who he is most of the time.

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And this is my issue with Voyager, is then they'll have episodes where they go, well, actually we want sort of this to play out.

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So we're going to just forget all of that.

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So you get learning curve where he has absolutely no idea how to train people to beat Starfleet cadets.

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You've got this.

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You've got innocence in series 2 where he's crashed on the planet with all those kids, those horrible moppets, and he doesn't know how to communicate with any of them.

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And I'm like, this isn't the person that you try to convince us that Chewbok is on a regular basis.

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And you just can't abandon like the characteristics of somebody for the sakes of this half hour story.

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I don't know.

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But also just the making characters unlikeable, and I have to think that if, why do they do?

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Well, I don't know.

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I think Braga does it by mistake. and it's what happens to Archer as well, once he gets more creative control.

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Yeah, that's brother again, isn't it?

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So I have to think it's a Braga thing.

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And remember, Braga came on board as the guy who created amazing and fun high concept episodes that weren't particularly character focussed.

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This is a character piece.

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It should have stuck to it.

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This character piece and he can't pull it off, I think.

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Let more make Deanna Troyer, Neuropeptides, cake, less make Chewwok an asshole.

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Yeah, I mean, do you remember the DS9 episode, The Ascent, where Odo and Quark crash land on that mountain?

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You must love it.

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It's all set on location on this fabulous, icy mountain in the middle of nowhere.

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And they have to rely on each other because the conditions are so terrible.

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And of course, they loathe each other and they argue and squabble and it's a bit like this, but really funny, you know?

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And the payoff to that episode is the 2 of them.

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Um, literally half dead in the infirmary on a pair of beds and he's like, you know what, Quark?

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You remember when we was on that mountain, and I said, I hated you, and you said you hated me.

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Yes, I just wanted you to know.

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I meant every word of it.

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And then the pair of them just laugh in the memory and that's how you go out.

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But there isn't that sort of ending here.

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I think that they were really aiming for Spock and Bones and they were really aiming for Quark and Odo with Neelix and Chewbok.

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But I just don't think the writing is there to support what they're trying to do.

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It's not clever enough.

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It's not, it's not like heartwarming enough either.

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You need to have enough moments where you go with the pairing.

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Oh, okay.

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Even when they're like, God, yeah, I'm going to go see a sign again.

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Do you remember that episode where Odo's following around Kira for the whole episode?

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Because Shakar's having assassination attempts, and she's moon-eyed for him, and he's absolutely devastated, and then you have Quark come to his quarters, once he's smashed them up, and goes, and you know what?

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Like, go and talk to her and he tries to talk to her.

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And then at the end of the scene, the court goes, I know you've had soundproofing put into your floor because he's about to walk.

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Of course he is.

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He likes to keep an eye on him.

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He says there's nothing to do with you like that.

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And it's really heartwarming and it's a moment where you can see what the friendship is all about.

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It's just not here.

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The connection isn't here.

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And it's really annoying because I think Ethan Phillips and Tim Ross could have delivered a really fantastic relationship.

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And it's not him.

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Well, on that night.

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Let's go and see them trying to find some common ground, shall we?

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Absolutely.

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Let's do that I will count us in.

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Yes.

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Rise exclamation mark.

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Yeah, bafflingly.

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All right.

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Amazon Prime. are you doing?

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Adding punctuation to voyager episodes.

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If there was a law it would be against it.

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All right.

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Here goes.

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Five, four, three, two, one, and we're off.

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So I don't like this CG stuff either.

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I just don't think it's very good.

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Do you?

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It's sort of up... coloured and stuff.

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But I do like the idea of being dropped in the middle of an exciting, oh, potentially exciting moment.

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And I also like that they're helping people, how you rating these guys on the bow mask scale.

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They look dismal, don't they?

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Look at their faces.

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So these are called the knee zoo.

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Of course they are.

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The knee zoo, you say?

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With a Nizu.

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Okay.

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Um, but we're helping them and I like that.

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You know, that should happen more often.

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It shouldn't just be evil, intransigent aliens, and we do get one of them later, who's pretty good and fairly high up on the Beaumar scale.

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But I do like this.

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And I even think that, you know, the banter, the, you know, the, it's not banter, but the techno babble here works really well.

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It's a pretty clear threat and we know what it is.

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I also like the fact that we're helping them and the feller on the bridge here, whose name I've completely forgotten, who turns out to be the evil man that's behind all of this.

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What's his name?

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That would be Skla.

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Skla.

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Skla of the Nizu.

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Okay.

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We'll go with it.

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But a face like a conquer.

219
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His name is Skla.

220
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So the other guy's just called Nizu Ambassador, and he actually turned up as a Klingon in rightful heir, and he's in the Jemhadar.

221
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He's Captain Kio of the USS Odyssey in the DS9 episode.

222
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No.

223
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Oh, we came to a pretty sticky end, didn't they?

224
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Yeah, in that episode.

225
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May I ask about the evil fellow then?

226
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Who plays him?

227
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Because you told me he's in loss.

228
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So he's not in any other Star Trek.

229
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He's called Kelly Connell and he has just, he's a that guy.

230
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He's in everything.

231
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And so if you go to his IMDb page and he's in every TV show.

232
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I think there's some terrible TV show that I've never seen that he's a regular in, but, you know, like he has, you know, TV, regular roles and stuff.

233
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But he's just a guest star in basically everything.

234
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I think he's kind of terrible.

235
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There's an attempt to make him funny and make him unlikely kind of murderer, but all of that's so undercooked that it never really works, I think.

236
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I would just like to say that, um, I know how I sort of uh, rudely say that these people are sort of murder she wrote type actors.

237
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Yeah.

238
00:16:55.919 --> 00:17:00.299
Well, Kelly Connell did in fact turn up in death by demographics.

239
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She wrote episode.

240
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That is really everything.

241
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He's in absolutely everything.

242
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Death by demographics.

243
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Sounds great.

244
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That's awesome.

245
00:17:13.140 --> 00:17:15.599
I think we tick a few boxes there, you and me.

246
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Yeah, the white guy, boss.

247
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We wouldn't have a home, would we?

248
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The homosexual boss.

249
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Okay.

250
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So we're back on board the bridge.

251
00:17:26.940 --> 00:17:31.259
And Janeway actually is pretty great in a couple of scenes here, I think.

252
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Did you say that?

253
00:17:33.779 --> 00:17:34.380
What was that?

254
00:17:34.440 --> 00:17:37.859
He was a member of the production crew called Alan Oppenheimer.

255
00:17:38.700 --> 00:17:40.559
No, that's the Nizo Ambassador.

256
00:17:40.680 --> 00:17:41.880
That's the...

257
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Alan Oppenheim, Oppenheim.

258
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Any relation?

259
00:17:44.640 --> 00:17:45.359
I don't know.

260
00:17:45.420 --> 00:17:45.960
I don't know.

261
00:17:49.680 --> 00:17:57.299
But no, I actually, I did quite like the special effect of the fragment. screaming down into the atmosphere, you know?

262
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I'm thinking, you know what?

263
00:17:58.920 --> 00:18:02.039
At this point in the episode, they are trying to give us some visual interest.

264
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And they're telling the story that we need to hear.

265
00:18:04.740 --> 00:18:05.640
Do you know what I mean?

266
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Like, I think that's quite good.

267
00:18:06.720 --> 00:18:15.059
And I think the scene later where the, you know, Balana cracks open the thing and there's, um, you know, computer-y things inside.

268
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I think that's pretty good too.

269
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Like, it's just telling us the story.

270
00:18:18.900 --> 00:18:24.599
So this is Dr. Vadim, whose name is spelled very oddly.

271
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And we've seen him on untitled Star Trek before, on Titled Star Trek Project before.

272
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He is a Klingon in dramatis personae.

273
00:18:35.339 --> 00:18:36.299
Oh, wow.

274
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He only turns up in the best episodes.

275
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Are those the only 2 redols?

276
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Rise and dramatis persona.

277
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God bless.

278
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Could I ask you a question about kissing?

279
00:18:49.980 --> 00:18:52.980
Oh, how do these guys kiss without putting each other's eyes out?

280
00:18:53.519 --> 00:18:53.940
Exactly.

281
00:18:54.000 --> 00:18:56.880
Look, have you let in for a kiss with the Nazu ambassador?

282
00:18:56.940 --> 00:19:00.059
Yeah, you're going to get his spiky forehead right in your eye.

283
00:19:01.140 --> 00:19:04.920
I have to say that Dr. Vadim, though, like he's got a strong look.

284
00:19:04.980 --> 00:19:06.299
He's got to shave his head and a beard.

285
00:19:06.359 --> 00:19:08.279
I like that, you know, that's a pretty good.

286
00:19:08.339 --> 00:19:09.059
Does he have a spike head?

287
00:19:09.599 --> 00:19:10.799
He does have a spiky head as well.

288
00:19:10.859 --> 00:19:12.299
He also looks like...

289
00:19:12.480 --> 00:19:14.099
Maybe because they're quite dull looking.

290
00:19:15.000 --> 00:19:17.940
I'm only going to give them a 5 on the bone mask out.

291
00:19:18.000 --> 00:19:20.099
I mean, you've got to be ridiculous looking and fun.

292
00:19:20.759 --> 00:19:31.619
I do think that goth, the evil intransigent alien from the something order, who turns up later, is pretty high on the bow mask scale.

293
00:19:31.920 --> 00:19:33.900
Oh, okay, I'll keep an eye out for it.

294
00:19:34.799 --> 00:19:37.440
So many details of rise fall in and out of my head.

295
00:19:38.279 --> 00:19:42.779
So, I mean, I don't dislike this scene either.

296
00:19:42.960 --> 00:19:53.099
Like, I don't dislike this scene, you know, and it's got Ethan talking really, really, really, really fast and doing business, like unable to put his backpack on because he's so excited.

297
00:19:53.339 --> 00:19:55.500
Like, it's not that great, but it's.

298
00:19:55.500 --> 00:19:58.380
I know, but, like, why should he be this nervous about?

299
00:19:58.380 --> 00:20:00.359
Okay, we've 2 talk.

300
00:20:00.420 --> 00:20:01.079
I know, that's right.

301
00:20:01.140 --> 00:20:04.079
So it's kind of... doesn't it exactly?

302
00:20:04.440 --> 00:20:05.460
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

303
00:20:06.240 --> 00:20:08.940
But you see, he can't even put his backpack on.

304
00:20:09.180 --> 00:20:14.160
He's turning around and around as if he's trying to catch the backpack with his other arm and stuff and missing it.

305
00:20:14.220 --> 00:20:15.480
Like, I think that's quite sweet.

306
00:20:15.660 --> 00:20:16.799
And it is even...

307
00:20:16.799 --> 00:20:18.839
Confess Robert, he's so dry, isn't he?

308
00:20:19.200 --> 00:20:22.079
Maybe I can suggest a tranquilliser, Mr. Newloop?

309
00:20:22.140 --> 00:20:27.480
But he also does complain that Mr. Tuvok rarely acknowledges his brilliance as well, which I think is pretty good.

310
00:20:28.559 --> 00:20:30.240
You know, that's a total side note, Nathan.

311
00:20:30.299 --> 00:20:33.240
You know, I've been I've been poorly in watching loads of Star Trek episodes.

312
00:20:33.839 --> 00:20:48.119
I watched a really bad episode where they had to all sleep away from their quarters and Neelix sides because there's beds in the sick bay is going to move into the sick bay overnight and the doctor and Neelix are stuck there.

313
00:20:48.180 --> 00:20:52.019
It's like a comedy episode where they're just irritating each other.

314
00:20:54.599 --> 00:21:01.619
I actually think they may they put more effort into that relationship than they do Chewbok and Chewbok and Neelix.

315
00:21:02.220 --> 00:21:11.279
So Skla here expresses his fear of heights, and he also expresses a fear later of confined spaces.

316
00:21:11.460 --> 00:21:13.319
And I think it goes back to heights again.

317
00:21:13.380 --> 00:21:21.779
And so he's trying, you know, they're trying to characterise him as a kind of cowardly guy in order to make it a surprise, how he turns out to be the man.

318
00:21:21.839 --> 00:21:23.160
Yeah, exactly, aren't they?

319
00:21:23.279 --> 00:21:26.640
It's almost Agatha Christie like in how they disguise him.

320
00:21:27.000 --> 00:21:45.599
So I have a theory that if you have a premise, like a physical location or something, you know, you've got the idea, let's have a Maglobe space elevator, we've never done that before in Star Trek, uh, you know, it might make for an interesting set, turns out not so much.

321
00:21:46.079 --> 00:21:48.359
And it might make for some impressive visuals.

322
00:21:48.359 --> 00:21:51.960
Again, didn't quite pan out, but you've got an idea.

323
00:21:52.019 --> 00:21:52.680
It's new.

324
00:21:52.740 --> 00:21:54.720
It's, you know, there's something there.

325
00:21:55.859 --> 00:21:59.400
But you can't think of what to do when you're there.

326
00:21:59.460 --> 00:22:01.019
So we've got this idea.

327
00:22:01.079 --> 00:22:02.039
We've got to go up the thing.

328
00:22:02.099 --> 00:22:10.140
How do we make it run out to sort of 45 minutes and the answer is have a murder mystery because, like, and this murder mystery is...

329
00:22:10.140 --> 00:22:11.759
That's not a bad instinct.

330
00:22:12.420 --> 00:22:14.400
We're trapped on the thing with a murderer.

331
00:22:14.460 --> 00:22:17.880
I mean, I've seen decent murder mysteries done in confined spaces before.

332
00:22:18.480 --> 00:22:23.339
Like if you write it in an intriguing way about characters you care about, it can work.

333
00:22:23.819 --> 00:22:26.519
So why does he murder them?

334
00:22:28.619 --> 00:22:31.500
Yeah, I couldn't figure it out, if I'm honest.

335
00:22:32.099 --> 00:22:34.500
I wasn't really sure about any of his motives.

336
00:22:38.759 --> 00:22:41.640
That's where I said a good script could make this work.

337
00:22:41.940 --> 00:22:42.960
I just don't understand.

338
00:22:43.019 --> 00:22:47.279
I don't understand why Dr. Vadim takes off early as well.

339
00:22:48.480 --> 00:22:50.400
I think it's because we need a villain.

340
00:22:50.640 --> 00:22:51.359
That's why.

341
00:22:52.500 --> 00:22:53.099
Like, that's it.

342
00:22:53.160 --> 00:23:00.180
So we need things to happen as we're going up the lift, right, to pad this out to 45 minutes.

343
00:23:00.539 --> 00:23:04.680
But I just don't know why any of the things happen and what they're about.

344
00:23:04.859 --> 00:23:06.660
You know, like you've got to create...

345
00:23:06.839 --> 00:23:14.099
I mean, why don't you create the situation where it looks like an engineering problem, but it's really a people problem.

346
00:23:14.099 --> 00:23:17.880
And the problem is that the people are just civies who are scared.

347
00:23:18.180 --> 00:23:19.140
Do you know what I mean?

348
00:23:19.200 --> 00:23:29.579
Or panicky, and, you know, like, um, Tuvok thinks it's a space problem. but Neelix discovers it's a personnel problem and because that's what Neelix is good at.

349
00:23:29.640 --> 00:23:31.319
He inspires everyone to work together.

350
00:23:31.500 --> 00:23:37.859
And he kind of does that with Lilias, with the, with the young woman that they find on board the, on board the ship.

351
00:23:38.039 --> 00:23:41.400
You know, she ends up working and doing engineering things.

352
00:23:41.460 --> 00:23:43.079
He does inspire her to help.

353
00:23:43.500 --> 00:23:45.660
And that's the sort of thing that it needs to be.

354
00:23:45.960 --> 00:23:53.940
But instead it's just like, and we're going to have a murder mystery and this guy's going to take off early and who knows what's going on and there's going to be something on the roof, but we don't know why.

355
00:23:54.119 --> 00:24:01.440
Like, why was the data device hidden on the roof under the 1st panel that Tuvok decides to open?

356
00:24:01.680 --> 00:24:02.460
Why is it there?

357
00:24:03.299 --> 00:24:07.259
I feel like you've given the plot details more consideration than me.

358
00:24:07.920 --> 00:24:11.759
Oh, look at this special effect shop, the orbital taver.

359
00:24:11.819 --> 00:24:14.220
It's so limp, isn't it?

360
00:24:14.640 --> 00:24:16.740
It sort of looks like a pin, doesn't it?

361
00:24:17.579 --> 00:24:19.380
Someone's just stabbed into the ground.

362
00:24:19.799 --> 00:24:21.720
Well, I mean, if you think about it, right?

363
00:24:22.019 --> 00:24:31.079
So the ionosphere on earth, according to Siri, goes from 60 kilometres to a 1000 kilometres above the earth's surface, right?

364
00:24:31.980 --> 00:24:36.660
So a 1000 kilometres of a tether rope.

365
00:24:37.140 --> 00:24:39.119
How much do you reckon that weighs?

366
00:24:39.420 --> 00:24:40.440
Do you know?

367
00:24:40.619 --> 00:24:44.279
Like, how much actual volume would that be?

368
00:24:44.700 --> 00:24:47.700
Because I have to think that it's ridiculous.

369
00:24:49.920 --> 00:24:51.119
They were mining a long time.

370
00:24:54.539 --> 00:24:57.119
Several 1000 people died in the mind.

371
00:24:59.339 --> 00:25:02.700
Oh, but taking us back to the murder mystery for a second, yeah.

372
00:25:02.880 --> 00:25:07.019
Like, Voyager has a really bad track record with murder mysteries.

373
00:25:07.680 --> 00:25:11.940
And I think maybe they only successfully pull off one, which is a meld.

374
00:25:12.720 --> 00:25:14.160
Right, where you have Suda.

375
00:25:15.420 --> 00:25:19.140
And they lean, but they very quickly tell you the murderers in that.

376
00:25:19.200 --> 00:25:20.579
So it's not a murder mystery.

377
00:25:20.640 --> 00:25:25.680
It's what do we do with a serial killer when we're trapped in this regional space?

378
00:25:25.799 --> 00:25:27.660
Can we enforce capital punishment?

379
00:25:28.079 --> 00:25:49.799
And the other end of the scale is something like repression in series 7, where the reveal is that Chewbok, who's, you know, doing the mystery and the murder mystery investigation, is the person responsible because someone in the alpha quadrant has sent a weird subspace virus that infects Marquis...

380
00:25:49.859 --> 00:25:51.660
I mean, it's just terrible.

381
00:25:52.680 --> 00:25:56.700
These, however, it just doesn't work as a mad mystery at all, does it?

382
00:25:56.880 --> 00:26:01.500
Because all of the basic tenets of a murder mystery aren't in place.

383
00:26:01.859 --> 00:26:03.720
Like you said, there's no motive.

384
00:26:03.900 --> 00:26:06.480
There's no logic to the reasons that things happen.

385
00:26:07.019 --> 00:26:12.359
It's just a series of events that happen where the man says at the end, I was responsible for all this.

386
00:26:13.019 --> 00:26:14.039
It's insane.

387
00:26:14.519 --> 00:26:15.960
It's just absolutely absurd.

388
00:26:16.440 --> 00:26:22.740
And then, may I say in a spectacularly undramatic way as well, when he reveals himself as the killer.

389
00:26:23.099 --> 00:26:23.579
So bad.

390
00:26:23.579 --> 00:26:28.859
Doesn't he just shut the door whilst Chewbob's outside and go, why are you shutting the door?

391
00:26:28.859 --> 00:26:30.359
Because I'm the killer.

392
00:26:35.339 --> 00:26:37.500
Oh, do you know, I don't know what.

393
00:26:37.559 --> 00:26:42.900
Do you remember that very menacing shot of the memorial in memorial when they shot it from below?

394
00:26:43.740 --> 00:26:46.019
Now why didn't they do that with the orbital tether?

395
00:26:46.319 --> 00:26:47.099
Yeah, yeah.

396
00:26:47.220 --> 00:26:51.960
Well, I guess because, you know, Neelix is seeing it in the distance, I guess.

397
00:26:51.960 --> 00:26:57.059
It just looks like, I mean, it's CG, but it looks like a terrible bit of model work.

398
00:26:57.119 --> 00:26:57.660
Oh, yeah, yeah.

399
00:26:57.720 --> 00:26:59.460
No, it's a terrible...

400
00:26:59.579 --> 00:27:05.640
The worst effect shot in this, Nathan, is when you see the little device that they're travelling in, going up.

401
00:27:05.940 --> 00:27:07.559
Oh, people ever.

402
00:27:07.680 --> 00:27:09.059
It looks so cheap.

403
00:27:09.779 --> 00:27:13.859
Like Doctor Who in the 70s would have had a better model shot than that.

404
00:27:14.160 --> 00:27:16.079
Yeah, I mean, maybe not.

405
00:27:16.319 --> 00:27:18.119
It's super primitive CGI.

406
00:27:18.180 --> 00:27:27.180
And if you think about it in 2 years time in series five, the computer generated stuff that they produce is going to be really quite impressive, I think, from time to time.

407
00:27:27.660 --> 00:27:31.559
Stuff like, go and watch that 1st shot in workforce. series 7.

408
00:27:32.160 --> 00:27:33.059
It's incredible.

409
00:27:33.119 --> 00:27:34.079
It does come on a lot.

410
00:27:34.319 --> 00:27:38.160
But I just I just wonder then, maybe, you know, you have been using models for a long time.

411
00:27:38.400 --> 00:27:39.660
Maybe use models for this.

412
00:27:40.019 --> 00:27:41.339
I think a model would have looked worse.

413
00:27:41.880 --> 00:27:44.819
There's no way a model would not have been absolutely disastrous.

414
00:27:44.819 --> 00:27:47.220
Because they couldn't have made it move quickly enough.

415
00:27:47.279 --> 00:27:49.619
You know, like they have to make it look like it's moving quickly.

416
00:27:50.160 --> 00:27:57.539
But I want to see it as like this sort of cardboard box going up a metal tube sort of being pulled by a string, you know?

417
00:27:58.740 --> 00:28:02.519
It's the sort of special effects I'm used to in genre television, you know?

418
00:28:02.759 --> 00:28:06.059
But I mean, like, as I said before, this is what I commented on before.

419
00:28:06.119 --> 00:28:26.339
Neelix is quite impressive in this scene because he persuades her to help while she's holding a knife to his throat, you know, like you said earlier, the episode does a good job of displaying why Neelix is a very useful character.

420
00:28:26.759 --> 00:28:27.180
Yeah.

421
00:28:27.299 --> 00:28:34.799
It just doesn't do a very good job of displaying why Tuvok can actually learn anything. that's what this episode needed.

422
00:28:34.859 --> 00:28:40.500
It needed for them both to display their strengths and then for them to bring their strengths together.

423
00:28:40.980 --> 00:28:43.019
And then for them to complement each other.

424
00:28:43.200 --> 00:28:43.619
Exactly.

425
00:28:43.619 --> 00:28:45.599
That's such a simple...

426
00:28:45.660 --> 00:28:47.099
I mean, I'm writing that now on the fly.

427
00:28:47.339 --> 00:28:48.299
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

428
00:28:48.359 --> 00:28:48.779
Yeah.

429
00:28:48.900 --> 00:28:52.259
And there are some baffling things too, which I think undermine the scene.

430
00:28:52.319 --> 00:28:53.880
Like, for instance, that whole scene there.

431
00:28:54.240 --> 00:28:59.400
What was Tuvok doing while the woman was holding a knife to Neelix's throw?

432
00:29:00.180 --> 00:29:01.799
Why did he not say anything?

433
00:29:02.460 --> 00:29:04.500
But he doesn't say anything. looks so angry.

434
00:29:04.559 --> 00:29:07.559
He just doesn't even, he's not involved in that scene.

435
00:29:07.680 --> 00:29:08.579
This thing is happening.

436
00:29:08.640 --> 00:29:11.099
He's standing there in the room.

437
00:29:11.160 --> 00:29:12.240
We don't get a shot of him.

438
00:29:12.299 --> 00:29:13.079
He doesn't react.

439
00:29:13.140 --> 00:29:14.940
We don't, he doesn't say anything.

440
00:29:15.000 --> 00:29:21.660
Look, at this grisly prop, which clearly has been designed for them to just crack over.

441
00:29:21.720 --> 00:29:23.099
I know, but I love it inside.

442
00:29:23.339 --> 00:29:24.240
That looks so cool.

443
00:29:25.019 --> 00:29:25.619
Wait for it.

444
00:29:25.920 --> 00:29:28.079
Look, it literally just falls apart.

445
00:29:28.680 --> 00:29:29.460
Oh, there we go.

446
00:29:29.519 --> 00:29:29.819
Right.

447
00:29:29.819 --> 00:29:34.559
I've got a rock in my garden that's concealed several keys.

448
00:29:35.039 --> 00:29:36.180
There's several fake rocks.

449
00:29:36.180 --> 00:29:37.200
You look just like that.

450
00:29:37.740 --> 00:29:38.160
Yeah.

451
00:29:38.220 --> 00:29:39.480
Oh no, I shouldn't have said that.

452
00:29:40.140 --> 00:29:41.579
No one knows where my garden is.

453
00:29:43.019 --> 00:29:45.180
Because I keep walking...

454
00:29:47.940 --> 00:29:49.740
I'm somewhere in hungry, you know.

455
00:29:53.519 --> 00:29:55.500
The coil bypass is active.

456
00:29:55.559 --> 00:29:56.339
Oh, well that's good.

457
00:29:57.720 --> 00:30:00.599
Actually, I mean, this set looks much better in the dark.

458
00:30:00.779 --> 00:30:02.039
No, don't turn the lights on.

459
00:30:02.700 --> 00:30:04.559
When it was just lit up by the consoles.

460
00:30:04.859 --> 00:30:13.859
So the memory alpha, the memory alpha page also talks about the difficulty of making this set, anything because it's just another fucking set.

461
00:30:13.859 --> 00:30:17.940
And how do we sell the fact that it's going up and down?

462
00:30:18.480 --> 00:30:19.440
Do you know what I mean?

463
00:30:19.500 --> 00:30:22.500
That it's actually, like, we can't have windows.

464
00:30:22.559 --> 00:30:24.539
We can't afford windows. the actors.

465
00:30:24.839 --> 00:30:27.119
Yeah, they sort of...

466
00:30:27.180 --> 00:30:27.660
You know?

467
00:30:29.759 --> 00:30:43.559
And so what they end up doing is there is something that lights, a little bit like the way that they sell that the turbo lifts are going up and down, even in original track, where there are things that lights just move up and down, which is pretty lame.

468
00:30:43.619 --> 00:30:45.240
It's pretty limp, I think.

469
00:30:45.299 --> 00:30:46.319
It's something, I suppose.

470
00:30:46.559 --> 00:30:47.640
Yeah, yeah, something.

471
00:30:47.819 --> 00:30:50.519
I mean, Kurtzman Trek would just have a window, right?

472
00:30:50.640 --> 00:30:53.279
We'd see the whole...

473
00:30:54.299 --> 00:30:55.740
Oh, there's a bit...

474
00:30:55.799 --> 00:31:07.799
I don't, it's, it's soon, and I'll forget when it's on, because we'll be talking about, so I just have to say it now, where, you know, Neelix is the other side of the room, and they're going, no, none of us know how to operate this.

475
00:31:07.980 --> 00:31:11.579
Nunix, you have to get over this side of the room and he comes over.

476
00:31:12.539 --> 00:31:14.220
And he just pulls one lever.

477
00:31:14.279 --> 00:31:17.279
I mean, you tell them to pull one.

478
00:31:17.759 --> 00:31:18.900
Just pull the lever.

479
00:31:18.960 --> 00:31:19.500
It's fine.

480
00:31:19.980 --> 00:31:23.099
I thought he was going to come over and do something really complicated.

481
00:31:24.119 --> 00:31:26.880
I actually think this scene is not bad either.

482
00:31:27.539 --> 00:31:34.920
Like, again, it's a cheesy ass Star Trek scene with Neelix's backstory and stuff. he's talking about his sister who's died.

483
00:31:35.940 --> 00:31:37.920
We've already done Jetrail right.

484
00:31:37.980 --> 00:31:41.279
We know she died in terrifying circumstances.

485
00:31:41.400 --> 00:31:47.400
So I think this has just given him, it allows us to have some empathy for him, and we don't always.

486
00:31:48.000 --> 00:31:53.279
And and it also shows that he's able to reach out and motivate people.

487
00:31:53.460 --> 00:32:00.720
You know, like, because the outcome of it is, like she feels for him, look at her reaction and then she opens up to him.

488
00:32:00.900 --> 00:32:08.339
And after that, she's helping them operate and mend the Maglev carriage.

489
00:32:09.180 --> 00:32:14.640
I actually don't mind this style, where he says she was killed when I was a young man, I still see them every day.

490
00:32:15.180 --> 00:32:19.920
Like this is, it's sort of functional, but it's not, and I think Ethan delivers it well as well.

491
00:32:20.160 --> 00:32:21.059
It is cheesy.

492
00:32:22.380 --> 00:32:36.420
I think what's nice, it's because she gives him her water that she was protecting when they 1st met, and she smiles at him, sits down next to him, gives him the water, and then opens up about her own experience.

493
00:32:36.539 --> 00:32:37.380
I think it's good.

494
00:32:38.039 --> 00:32:44.700
How can Shupac be so stupid then to consider this a waste of time when they're building bridges?

495
00:32:44.880 --> 00:32:48.240
And now she's giving supplies that actually may allow them to survive.

496
00:32:48.539 --> 00:32:49.319
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

497
00:32:49.799 --> 00:32:50.579
Yeah, no.

498
00:32:50.819 --> 00:32:52.619
And he's snarky.

499
00:32:52.740 --> 00:32:52.980
Yeah.

500
00:32:53.400 --> 00:32:53.940
Yeah.

501
00:32:53.940 --> 00:32:54.900
Yeah.

502
00:32:54.960 --> 00:32:59.400
And, you know, it's so frustrating because I've seen Tim Russ now.

503
00:33:00.180 --> 00:33:03.839
I saw him in a show recently, right, where he plays a porter.

504
00:33:03.900 --> 00:33:05.039
He's on the door.

505
00:33:05.099 --> 00:33:14.460
Every time the actors walk in and out, and he's so funny, and he's got this sort of wry smile on his face all the time, and I'm thinking, is that who we could have had on Voyager?

506
00:33:15.480 --> 00:33:18.119
But he's always such a grumpy arsehole all the time.

507
00:33:18.180 --> 00:33:18.839
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

508
00:33:20.759 --> 00:33:26.460
It's um, I, I, I find it very strange when you have charming actors and you don't let them be charming.

509
00:33:26.579 --> 00:33:26.940
No.

510
00:33:27.119 --> 00:33:27.599
No.

511
00:33:27.660 --> 00:33:30.180
And it's like you said, it's the bacular effect.

512
00:33:30.599 --> 00:33:34.200
Yeah, yeah, but it might be the Braga effect might be the problem.

513
00:33:38.460 --> 00:33:46.200
But this, like, having you, having to humiliate him now and the reaction.

514
00:33:46.680 --> 00:33:53.640
Like, Ethan's reaction is kind of too much because it makes us hate Tuvok more, I think.

515
00:33:55.019 --> 00:33:59.579
And I feel like it comes across as like an ego thing as well.

516
00:33:59.640 --> 00:34:00.240
I better than you.

517
00:34:00.720 --> 00:34:02.220
That's how it feels like it comes.

518
00:34:02.279 --> 00:34:06.779
It's not like I'm trying to teach you, Mr. Neelix. you know this is a better way of doing things.

519
00:34:06.900 --> 00:34:09.059
It always feels like he's talking down to it.

520
00:34:09.179 --> 00:34:10.260
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

521
00:34:10.380 --> 00:34:12.900
But he's a Vulcan, isn't he supposed to be better than that sort of thing?

522
00:34:13.019 --> 00:34:13.739
Well, that's right.

523
00:34:13.800 --> 00:34:14.219
That's right.

524
00:34:14.460 --> 00:34:19.139
So, and now Vadim, inexplicably, is going to take off.

525
00:34:19.559 --> 00:34:21.059
Like, I don't know.

526
00:34:21.539 --> 00:34:30.300
Should the Maglev thing, the tether, have gone through the middle of the thing?

527
00:34:30.360 --> 00:34:32.159
No, that would be too dangerous, wouldn't it?

528
00:34:32.639 --> 00:34:37.320
I don't know, but these shots are staggeringly undramatic through that door.

529
00:34:37.380 --> 00:34:38.460
That's amazing.

530
00:34:39.539 --> 00:34:42.599
And now, look, James Carter, throw some...

531
00:34:43.500 --> 00:34:46.440
Throw some rocks into the sea. it dramatic.

532
00:34:48.119 --> 00:34:48.780
Here we go.

533
00:34:48.840 --> 00:34:50.099
Oh, we're all inside now.

534
00:34:51.000 --> 00:34:53.400
Yes, no, which, no, easy, you went down.

535
00:34:53.460 --> 00:34:55.500
I mean, Jubal just walked up to a mini.

536
00:34:55.559 --> 00:34:56.400
He fell to the floor.

537
00:34:56.519 --> 00:34:58.440
Where was the Vulcan death group?

538
00:34:59.159 --> 00:35:00.420
You barely touched him.

539
00:35:03.539 --> 00:35:06.239
Oh, look, now we're getting some good wobble on the tether now.

540
00:35:06.360 --> 00:35:07.199
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

541
00:35:08.039 --> 00:35:09.780
See, this shot, how about this shot?

542
00:35:10.019 --> 00:35:12.900
The this effect shot going into the ad break.

543
00:35:13.860 --> 00:35:16.559
Oh, that's not too bad.

544
00:35:16.619 --> 00:35:22.980
I mean, this is it's trying to be dramatic in the, it's looking down and the thing's coming up right up towards us.

545
00:35:23.460 --> 00:35:27.960
And I think the establishing shot of the 1st thing is like...

546
00:35:29.159 --> 00:35:29.820
Please.

547
00:35:29.820 --> 00:35:33.599
It sort of goes chuck, chuck, chuck, chuck, chuck, as it goes up.

548
00:35:34.500 --> 00:35:38.099
It's not working fully at full capacity yet.

549
00:35:40.739 --> 00:35:41.940
Grief, rise.

550
00:35:42.119 --> 00:35:43.380
My orbital tipper.

551
00:35:43.619 --> 00:35:47.400
But I mean, it is like, it's just a boring set that could be anything.

552
00:35:47.460 --> 00:35:51.780
You know, it could be the laboratory on a colony or something.

553
00:35:52.019 --> 00:36:02.699
Like there's no indication that you can see there's a red and yellow light thing in the background, which is moving kind of vertically to try and sell the idea that we're going up and down.

554
00:36:02.940 --> 00:36:09.480
But it's not really enough, apart from all this, you know, fucking Robert shaking the camera a lot.

555
00:36:09.480 --> 00:36:13.679
And beyond the, beyond the sort of exterior shots that we get.

556
00:36:13.739 --> 00:36:15.780
This could be any old shuttlecraft. exactly.

557
00:36:16.079 --> 00:36:16.679
Yeah, yeah.

558
00:36:16.920 --> 00:36:19.800
It's no, like, like, if this was Kurtzman track.

559
00:36:19.860 --> 00:36:34.860
I imagine maybe this might all be glass and you'd just be able to see 360 degrees slowly, um, you know, in the distance, the scenery getting smaller.

560
00:36:34.920 --> 00:36:36.179
You know, like you could have done something.

561
00:36:37.260 --> 00:36:38.880
And I know they couldn't have done that.

562
00:36:39.119 --> 00:36:41.039
But they could have done a window. couldn't they?

563
00:36:41.099 --> 00:36:41.880
Yeah, probably.

564
00:36:44.099 --> 00:36:45.420
Just remember some clouds?

565
00:36:47.760 --> 00:36:55.980
You wait and see what happens when they do do that because there are some windows a little bit later and they are not good.

566
00:36:57.059 --> 00:37:09.300
I have to say, my one day's work on the Voyager production team, cutting out the cardboard clouds for the backdrop of when 2 pockets outside was one of the best days of my life.

567
00:37:09.719 --> 00:37:12.480
I actually think that that doesn't look too bad.

568
00:37:12.960 --> 00:37:16.800
I think that it's because it's clearly a real picture.

569
00:37:16.860 --> 00:37:20.460
It's not cartoon, cartoon, cardboard clouds.

570
00:37:20.639 --> 00:37:24.480
I think it's a real photograph of clouds and it's just...

571
00:37:24.480 --> 00:37:27.239
It's just because they can't drop...

572
00:37:27.420 --> 00:37:32.340
But, but, but, you know, like, I think that it's not so bad.

573
00:37:32.699 --> 00:37:34.440
I think it could have been worse.

574
00:37:35.760 --> 00:37:37.500
You know where there's clouds, Nathan?

575
00:37:37.739 --> 00:37:38.280
Outside.

576
00:37:38.280 --> 00:37:38.820
Outside.

577
00:37:38.880 --> 00:37:39.420
Yeah, yeah.

578
00:37:39.480 --> 00:37:41.219
We could have gone outside and shot from below.

579
00:37:41.400 --> 00:37:43.679
Just go to a mountain ledge or something.

580
00:37:43.800 --> 00:37:46.380
Yeah, just to put the camera on the ground and look up.

581
00:37:46.440 --> 00:37:47.579
I don't know, but like whatever.

582
00:37:49.920 --> 00:37:57.480
With some actual wind in his face rather than the, I think it's like 4 people just going, it's really limp.

583
00:37:57.539 --> 00:37:59.039
It's so untramatic.

584
00:37:59.400 --> 00:38:00.719
But he's trying to sell it.

585
00:38:00.780 --> 00:38:04.320
I was like, oh, the wind might fall battering my senses.

586
00:38:07.380 --> 00:38:20.519
Yeah, I think, I mean, I certainly think the 1st half of this episode, even though that is kind of limp, but the 2nd some of the execution of the 2nd half. something else.

587
00:38:20.940 --> 00:38:22.860
I don't understand why Lily is.

588
00:38:22.860 --> 00:38:23.639
Oh, there's a window?

589
00:38:24.179 --> 00:38:26.039
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

590
00:38:26.159 --> 00:38:27.900
So that's blue screen, right?

591
00:38:28.260 --> 00:38:36.239
Apparently, according to, I did see a photo of Tim sticking his head in the window with a blue screen behind him.

592
00:38:36.300 --> 00:38:38.519
I think there's a photo on memory alpha of that.

593
00:38:39.480 --> 00:38:48.360
See, I think that that actually looks like there's a piece of cloth out the window and someone is blowing a hairdryer or a big fan of it.

594
00:38:48.420 --> 00:38:49.019
Oh, wonderful.

595
00:38:50.760 --> 00:38:52.800
Actually, it does.

596
00:38:53.460 --> 00:38:57.179
It looks like no, it looks like my white's in the washing machine going round.

597
00:38:57.300 --> 00:38:58.019
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

598
00:39:02.340 --> 00:39:05.460
Dr. Vatsim just put him on for a 30 minute wash.

599
00:39:06.659 --> 00:39:08.219
Because I...

600
00:39:08.219 --> 00:39:15.780
Like later when it's Tim sticking his head up, they're not going to be able to do that particular effect and so they just sort of key something in.

601
00:39:17.519 --> 00:39:21.719
Please, will you look at Dr. Vatim's face whilst Chewbok is subduing him?

602
00:39:22.380 --> 00:39:23.460
I mean, that's terrible.

603
00:39:23.940 --> 00:39:29.880
I hate that so much Yeah, so he's a literal bully now.

604
00:39:29.940 --> 00:39:32.099
He's just bullying people.

605
00:39:32.400 --> 00:39:33.480
It's dreadful.

606
00:39:36.179 --> 00:39:39.599
So now we're back on board the bridge and here's Kate.

607
00:39:41.400 --> 00:39:44.219
Oh, I'd forgotten the rest of Voyager existed.

608
00:39:44.820 --> 00:39:50.579
I think Tom Paris is on the, I think Tom Paris is only dialogue as being sort of piped in from his shuttle.

609
00:39:51.780 --> 00:39:52.739
Oh, was that right?

610
00:39:52.800 --> 00:39:53.219
Yeah, yeah.

611
00:39:53.280 --> 00:39:54.900
So he's got one of those...

612
00:39:55.440 --> 00:39:56.820
Yeah, that's good.

613
00:39:56.880 --> 00:39:57.179
Yeah.

614
00:39:57.360 --> 00:39:57.900
Yeah.

615
00:39:58.079 --> 00:40:04.500
I mean, I won't hear a bad word said about Robert Duncan McNeil anymore since discovering the Delta Flyers podcast.

616
00:40:04.800 --> 00:40:05.820
He's really smart.

617
00:40:07.199 --> 00:40:11.820
I mean, I don't give a shit what they've got to say about the Voyager episodes, but now they're covering DS9.

618
00:40:12.000 --> 00:40:14.460
They got Armond Shimmerman and Cherry Farrell in there.

619
00:40:14.880 --> 00:40:15.300
Awesome.

620
00:40:15.539 --> 00:40:19.500
Guest spots by Nanar visitor, Marco Lemo, Robert Hewitt Wolf.

621
00:40:19.920 --> 00:40:20.880
It's fabulous.

622
00:40:20.940 --> 00:40:23.099
And actually, it's a pretty...

623
00:40:23.099 --> 00:40:25.860
Robert Duncan McNeil is a pretty good critic.

624
00:40:26.099 --> 00:40:27.059
Right, I have to say.

625
00:40:28.440 --> 00:40:29.340
Garrett Wang.

626
00:40:30.900 --> 00:40:34.079
She's pretty though, so it's fine. no more.

627
00:40:34.980 --> 00:40:35.519
Struggle.

628
00:40:36.659 --> 00:40:37.139
Okay.

629
00:40:38.340 --> 00:40:39.659
What's Tubok doing now?

630
00:40:39.960 --> 00:40:43.199
Oh, a trioxic compound to oxygenate.

631
00:40:43.260 --> 00:40:46.679
Well, I think the triox compound might be from a muck time.

632
00:40:46.739 --> 00:40:50.039
I think we may have had that mentioned before.

633
00:40:50.219 --> 00:40:51.659
Like, I think it might...

634
00:40:51.719 --> 00:40:53.880
Is he feeling the pressure of sort of going up then?

635
00:40:53.940 --> 00:40:54.480
Is that what's happening?

636
00:40:54.659 --> 00:41:05.880
No, they're losing atmosphere and Lilius only managed to get one of the atmosphere things working and so they're out of oxygen or whatever.

637
00:41:06.119 --> 00:41:11.699
But the triox compound, which I think is what enabled Kirk to stay alive in a muck time.

638
00:41:11.760 --> 00:41:13.019
I could be dreaming that.

639
00:41:13.079 --> 00:41:17.639
There probably heaps of people shouting at their iPhones as we speak, saying that I'm wrong.

640
00:41:17.820 --> 00:41:18.719
They're still doing it.

641
00:41:18.780 --> 00:41:20.699
Have you seen with the villain?

642
00:41:20.760 --> 00:41:21.360
What's his name?

643
00:41:21.539 --> 00:41:22.260
Trax.

644
00:41:22.380 --> 00:41:23.039
Sticks?

645
00:41:23.699 --> 00:41:27.239
Oh, Skla.

646
00:41:27.900 --> 00:41:28.619
Sklar.

647
00:41:28.920 --> 00:41:31.199
That's a range of gluten-free bread sclar.

648
00:41:31.260 --> 00:41:32.039
Sclar.

649
00:41:32.039 --> 00:41:32.880
Sclar.

650
00:41:32.940 --> 00:41:33.659
Like a Klingon.

651
00:41:33.780 --> 00:41:36.420
Like the most low effort Klingon name. you can think of.

652
00:41:37.019 --> 00:41:39.179
It's a fabulous homemeal ciabatta.

653
00:41:39.239 --> 00:41:39.780
I'll tell you.

654
00:41:39.840 --> 00:41:44.219
But anyway, um, he just said there. you know, oh, don't hurt me.

655
00:41:44.280 --> 00:41:45.360
I despise needles.

656
00:41:45.539 --> 00:41:46.980
Yeah, yeah, they're still trying to show.

657
00:41:47.400 --> 00:41:48.780
He's a weak man, you know.

658
00:41:49.380 --> 00:41:50.880
He hates confined spaces.

659
00:41:50.940 --> 00:41:53.880
He hates being, he hates heights.

660
00:41:54.119 --> 00:41:59.519
Like, if you'd asked me who's the villain, I might have guessed.

661
00:41:59.579 --> 00:42:00.119
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

662
00:42:00.179 --> 00:42:01.800
The guy who gets the wimpy one.

663
00:42:02.099 --> 00:42:03.539
Is it the lady?

664
00:42:03.840 --> 00:42:08.940
Is it the guy who has no characteristics, this guy?

665
00:42:10.739 --> 00:42:12.000
Oh, see, this is great as well.

666
00:42:12.059 --> 00:42:15.480
Nearly saying, look, you could be the only person left parlour in this thing.

667
00:42:15.840 --> 00:42:17.639
I better show you now how to do it.

668
00:42:17.699 --> 00:42:19.199
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

669
00:42:20.639 --> 00:42:22.019
Oh God, what's happening now?

670
00:42:22.079 --> 00:42:25.500
This fella, all we easier to do is to make this last 45 minutes.

671
00:42:25.559 --> 00:42:27.900
Every time they're getting somewhere, he complicates the plot.

672
00:42:28.139 --> 00:42:29.219
Well, I don't understand.

673
00:42:29.280 --> 00:42:32.760
So there's something outside but I can't remember who put it there.

674
00:42:32.880 --> 00:42:33.900
Did he hide it?

675
00:42:34.800 --> 00:42:35.760
What's on the outside?

676
00:42:35.820 --> 00:42:36.420
Is it a bomb?

677
00:42:36.780 --> 00:42:38.579
No, that's what I thought it was originally.

678
00:42:39.599 --> 00:42:45.539
But it's the data pad that includes all the information about the enemy spaceship that we're about to encounter.

679
00:42:46.619 --> 00:42:49.139
Why is that on the outside of the orbital temper?

680
00:42:49.260 --> 00:42:50.099
I don't know.

681
00:42:51.360 --> 00:42:51.900
Okay.

682
00:42:52.860 --> 00:42:54.119
Is he?

683
00:42:54.119 --> 00:42:55.139
You didn't feed this one through.

684
00:42:55.139 --> 00:42:56.820
From Skla.

685
00:42:57.840 --> 00:43:00.000
Because Skla's a trader.

686
00:43:00.000 --> 00:43:03.000
And Skla's poisoning him.

687
00:43:04.619 --> 00:43:06.179
Already for no reason.

688
00:43:07.320 --> 00:43:10.679
Will you ever remember any of these guest characters ever again?

689
00:43:11.159 --> 00:43:11.639
Yes.

690
00:43:12.780 --> 00:43:13.380
You will.

691
00:43:13.619 --> 00:43:15.239
Skla, he's unforgettable.

692
00:43:15.420 --> 00:43:17.219
Now, I actually quite like the woman.

693
00:43:17.280 --> 00:43:18.000
I think she's fine.

694
00:43:19.019 --> 00:43:23.039
But you'll sort of blend into the other guest characters of the week.

695
00:43:23.099 --> 00:43:28.980
But my point for asking was, well, you remember Yedrin Dax, you know, Molly O'Brien.

696
00:43:29.280 --> 00:43:30.119
Of course you will.

697
00:43:31.380 --> 00:43:33.659
There is a way of making these characters interesting.

698
00:43:34.139 --> 00:43:41.820
Yeah, but it's not Brannan's... you know, like you can see him trying to do the right of things by giving Skla these various phobias.

699
00:43:41.880 --> 00:43:45.179
You know, that's kind of his thing to make him a more noticeable character.

700
00:43:46.920 --> 00:43:48.719
Maybe this is too linear for him then.

701
00:43:48.780 --> 00:43:50.760
Maybe this is too simple.

702
00:43:50.820 --> 00:43:56.159
Like, maybe his strength is writing quirky, weird things.

703
00:43:56.760 --> 00:43:58.920
Oh, yeah, it's certainly not deadlock.

704
00:43:58.980 --> 00:43:59.699
Deadlock's great.

705
00:43:59.760 --> 00:44:00.960
That's a planet script.

706
00:44:01.079 --> 00:44:05.639
Two of a wagers, the Vedians coming in, harvesting organs. terrific.

707
00:44:06.000 --> 00:44:06.780
Yeah, yeah.

708
00:44:07.139 --> 00:44:11.099
Whereas here, he's just sort of telling an action movie of the week, isn't he?

709
00:44:11.460 --> 00:44:12.059
Yeah, yeah.

710
00:44:12.119 --> 00:44:20.099
But, like, there's nothing to it, you know, like, but it's also a character piece, which is just not good at because you can't make everyone not be a dickhead, you know.

711
00:44:20.280 --> 00:44:22.679
Like, and now Neelix is being a pre-ick.

712
00:44:22.739 --> 00:44:24.300
You know, like it just...

713
00:44:24.300 --> 00:44:26.099
Yeah, like, we did timeless recently.

714
00:44:26.880 --> 00:44:28.380
You can't do character work.

715
00:44:28.619 --> 00:44:29.579
Yeah, yeah.

716
00:44:30.480 --> 00:44:31.199
I don't know.

717
00:44:31.320 --> 00:44:33.840
Maybe maybe it's the Chris Carter effect then.

718
00:44:33.960 --> 00:44:38.940
Maybe if you do too many scripts, then half of them are just gonna fall through the gap.

719
00:44:39.480 --> 00:44:39.960
Yeah.

720
00:44:40.079 --> 00:44:45.960
I mean, the, the, like, timeless isn't primarily a character piece, though.

721
00:44:46.019 --> 00:44:48.480
It is primarily a weird time thing, isn't it?

722
00:44:50.039 --> 00:44:54.239
Which plays into a strength, but I never forget that scene at the end when he gets the message.

723
00:44:54.300 --> 00:44:55.320
Yeah, it's really good.

724
00:44:55.559 --> 00:44:56.579
Yep, yep.

725
00:44:56.639 --> 00:44:58.380
And I think the warming is really interesting.

726
00:44:58.440 --> 00:45:01.019
Like sheep poses interesting questions and stuff.

727
00:45:02.340 --> 00:45:04.260
I'm going to do some research, all right?

728
00:45:04.320 --> 00:45:11.579
I'm going to watch some Brannan episodes for the next couple of weeks and see if I can find the great character drama that he wrote.

729
00:45:12.300 --> 00:45:13.679
See, I really like her.

730
00:45:13.739 --> 00:45:21.599
We said this before, but that scene where Lilius accuses Tuvok of being dismissive and condescending.

731
00:45:21.659 --> 00:45:22.739
I think that's really good.

732
00:45:24.059 --> 00:45:26.219
But none of this is anything that we've seen.

733
00:45:27.239 --> 00:45:28.679
You know what would have been great, though?

734
00:45:28.739 --> 00:45:30.119
If this was Kurtzman, Trek.

735
00:45:30.179 --> 00:45:32.519
Lilius would have gone, do you know what, Tuvok?

736
00:45:32.579 --> 00:45:33.179
You're a prick.

737
00:45:33.599 --> 00:45:35.880
Yeah, yeah, you're an asshole.

738
00:45:36.300 --> 00:45:39.000
You just summed it up with a swear word.

739
00:45:39.960 --> 00:45:42.059
Oh, I did like Neelix telling him, though.

740
00:45:42.119 --> 00:45:45.719
I've tolerated you condescending me for a long time.

741
00:45:46.139 --> 00:45:46.920
Do you know why?

742
00:45:46.980 --> 00:45:48.239
Because you're smarter than me.

743
00:45:48.420 --> 00:45:51.659
And you're more logical and you're stronger, but do you know what?

744
00:45:51.719 --> 00:45:53.280
You are shit with people.

745
00:45:53.400 --> 00:45:54.420
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

746
00:45:54.480 --> 00:45:59.460
But all of that stuff like that, we've never seen any evidence of that, apart from what, what's that thing?

747
00:45:59.519 --> 00:46:01.559
learning curve, which is super terrible.

748
00:46:02.519 --> 00:46:03.719
Look at Tim Ross.

749
00:46:03.780 --> 00:46:06.539
I mean, he looks like he wants to murder you at the moment.

750
00:46:08.820 --> 00:46:11.820
What he should be thinking is, oh, Joe, he's right.

751
00:46:12.360 --> 00:46:14.099
I really haven't handled this very well.

752
00:46:14.219 --> 00:46:14.940
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

753
00:46:14.940 --> 00:46:16.980
He said he goes, I disagree.

754
00:46:17.340 --> 00:46:18.719
Yeah, it's just terrible.

755
00:46:18.780 --> 00:46:21.840
I think like, I think that's the worst thing about it.

756
00:46:22.019 --> 00:46:23.639
I think that's the worst thing about it.

757
00:46:24.599 --> 00:46:27.599
And then Neelix was like a twat now. sitting down.

758
00:46:27.659 --> 00:46:29.039
Well, we ain't going nowhere.

759
00:46:29.099 --> 00:46:29.699
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

760
00:46:29.760 --> 00:46:30.719
Because I say so.

761
00:46:30.960 --> 00:46:31.739
That's right.

762
00:46:31.980 --> 00:46:33.480
So no one's coming out of this show.

763
00:46:33.659 --> 00:46:34.260
That's it.

764
00:46:34.260 --> 00:46:41.639
And it is that scene where he is just absolutely whiny and kind of annoying, you know, which makes me lose any sympathy for him.

765
00:46:42.179 --> 00:46:43.500
And it's a big problem.

766
00:46:44.159 --> 00:46:49.019
You know, you're sabotaging 2 of your regulars by just making them be pricks for the sake of this episode.

767
00:46:50.760 --> 00:46:56.400
I mean, even in something as ghastly as, how do you say it, power situation?

768
00:46:56.460 --> 00:46:57.659
Is that your tuition?

769
00:46:58.320 --> 00:47:02.699
Yeah, with Tom Paris and Neelix crashing on that planet, right?

770
00:47:03.119 --> 00:47:06.179
And all the jealousy stuff, which I just hate.

771
00:47:06.420 --> 00:47:15.780
But the fact that they have to give birth to this little alien puppet for 2 of them and be like the midwives and look after it.

772
00:47:15.780 --> 00:47:18.239
And it all comes to a really nice conclusion.

773
00:47:19.500 --> 00:47:21.000
I don't know, I think they can do it.

774
00:47:21.059 --> 00:47:22.860
They're just choosing north to.

775
00:47:23.219 --> 00:47:23.940
Yeah, yeah.

776
00:47:24.599 --> 00:47:28.139
So, so yes, here we go.

777
00:47:28.619 --> 00:47:31.380
This is absolutely dismal.

778
00:47:32.039 --> 00:47:35.400
The camera is completely steady.

779
00:47:36.300 --> 00:47:38.099
The camera's completely steady.

780
00:47:38.820 --> 00:47:40.380
Everything's utterly static.

781
00:47:40.440 --> 00:47:41.340
Nothing's juttering.

782
00:47:41.639 --> 00:47:43.380
The tsunami.

783
00:47:43.679 --> 00:47:48.239
The thing is hidden behind the only panel that's visible.

784
00:47:48.360 --> 00:47:49.260
That's...

785
00:47:53.159 --> 00:47:55.559
Oh, it opens up very easily and there it is.

786
00:47:55.679 --> 00:48:00.300
Actually, it's even hidden inside a little thing that perfectly fits it, though.

787
00:48:00.539 --> 00:48:01.320
I wonder what it is.

788
00:48:01.380 --> 00:48:02.340
Oh, wait, is that bad?

789
00:48:03.360 --> 00:48:08.880
can't work out how to get it out, and then Sklar comes along and just turns the handle.

790
00:48:10.679 --> 00:48:12.059
Oh, Christ.

791
00:48:13.139 --> 00:48:15.119
They must have seen the rushes for this.

792
00:48:15.119 --> 00:48:16.619
What have we done?

793
00:48:16.679 --> 00:48:17.400
What have we done?

794
00:48:19.199 --> 00:48:20.519
You got to think, Nathan.

795
00:48:20.579 --> 00:48:22.679
This is part of the trilogy of terror as well.

796
00:48:22.860 --> 00:48:24.480
You know what's next to this, aren't you?

797
00:48:24.599 --> 00:48:28.320
Darkling. that dread episode where the doctor went bad?

798
00:48:28.980 --> 00:48:35.280
And what's the one where Harry Kim thinks he's an alien and goes to the planet of the women?

799
00:48:35.460 --> 00:48:36.300
That one as well.

800
00:48:37.320 --> 00:48:38.039
Favourite son?

801
00:48:40.199 --> 00:48:47.699
Where they all managed to convince Harry that he's an alien from the Delta Quadrant. and they just want him for breeding.

802
00:48:48.300 --> 00:48:54.780
Yeah, quick, turn the handle and look, watch this, watch this action.

803
00:48:55.320 --> 00:49:00.719
And you even saw Tim Ross's stunt doubles face there as it went over.

804
00:49:01.019 --> 00:49:03.719
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. absolutely shockingly bad.

805
00:49:04.559 --> 00:49:06.239
Oh, that's how you get the pad out.

806
00:49:06.300 --> 00:49:07.079
Well, look at that.

807
00:49:07.139 --> 00:49:08.579
You just moved that panel.

808
00:49:09.840 --> 00:49:11.159
Hold on, Tuvok.

809
00:49:11.219 --> 00:49:11.820
Hold on.

810
00:49:12.840 --> 00:49:15.119
It has to say that...

811
00:49:15.119 --> 00:49:19.920
Actually, on paper, that's a great...

812
00:49:19.920 --> 00:49:21.360
That is a great cliff, right?

813
00:49:22.199 --> 00:49:22.619
Yeah.

814
00:49:23.099 --> 00:49:24.059
In execution.

815
00:49:24.719 --> 00:49:25.440
Not so much.

816
00:49:25.500 --> 00:49:26.219
Oh here we go.

817
00:49:26.579 --> 00:49:32.519
And that has the line, he returned to the surface, which I think is actually quite good for the villain.

818
00:49:33.239 --> 00:49:36.900
The villain's on the top level, and he has to try and come down the stairs and be evil.

819
00:49:37.260 --> 00:49:40.500
And the evil. and the gun, do the gun thing.

820
00:49:42.059 --> 00:49:43.380
He's so wooden.

821
00:49:43.920 --> 00:49:45.179
Look at his body language.

822
00:49:45.480 --> 00:49:55.260
Yeah, and so now we have this scene among these 3 people that we couldn't possibly give a shit about while everyone is unconscious or hanging from a girder outside.

823
00:49:56.219 --> 00:49:57.840
A bit of blood, though, on Neelix's head?

824
00:49:57.900 --> 00:49:58.500
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

825
00:49:58.860 --> 00:49:59.340
Okay.

826
00:49:59.400 --> 00:50:11.340
So we're, we're, so back aboard Voyager, I think that the spaceship that is about to appear where the alien on it is pretty great.

827
00:50:13.320 --> 00:50:16.199
Okay, but you're saying the alien is quite Beaumarish.

828
00:50:16.320 --> 00:50:20.519
The aliens, Beaumarish, but in a way that doesn't kind of ruin the thing.

829
00:50:20.940 --> 00:50:24.960
And Janeway is doing just the perfect Janeway maneuver.

830
00:50:25.199 --> 00:50:26.159
Oh, my word.

831
00:50:26.400 --> 00:50:27.719
It looks like, um...

832
00:50:27.719 --> 00:50:30.780
It looks a pit like my nanny Steptoe, actually.

833
00:50:34.139 --> 00:50:35.639
With a skin disease, maybe.

834
00:50:36.300 --> 00:50:39.539
But the Janeway maneuver, so we know the Picard maneuver, don't we?

835
00:50:40.380 --> 00:50:41.039
That's right.

836
00:50:41.159 --> 00:50:41.880
What's hers?

837
00:50:41.940 --> 00:50:42.840
Just hands on hips.

838
00:50:42.900 --> 00:50:43.619
Hands on hip.

839
00:50:43.739 --> 00:50:47.340
She's got her fingers splayed out and stuff and she just looks fantastic.

840
00:50:47.460 --> 00:50:52.860
And then she sits down later and when she calls her battle stations later on too.

841
00:50:52.920 --> 00:50:55.440
She's pretty damn impressive Like, it's got...

842
00:50:55.440 --> 00:51:06.179
I don't want to over. sexualise Kate Nathan, but, you know, I can imagine her dressed up as a dominatrix there with her foot, you know, in spiky heels on top of Shikotay or something like that.

843
00:51:06.300 --> 00:51:07.739
Like, it's all power.

844
00:51:08.639 --> 00:51:12.300
Did you see the poor fellow, the Nizu Ambassador, the back there?

845
00:51:12.420 --> 00:51:14.460
Just at the back of the scene, no liar thing.

846
00:51:15.300 --> 00:51:18.300
Yeah, looking absolutely lost, poor actor.

847
00:51:21.960 --> 00:51:23.699
Oh, look, Chewbox at the window.

848
00:51:28.500 --> 00:51:29.460
Very subtle.

849
00:51:29.519 --> 00:51:32.880
Mr. Neelix, don't give on now that you've seen me, all right?

850
00:51:32.940 --> 00:51:33.599
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

851
00:51:34.500 --> 00:51:36.539
He doesn't know because he's just he's fallen.

852
00:51:36.960 --> 00:51:39.239
He does make eye contact with him for a second.

853
00:51:41.519 --> 00:51:42.480
Boy, oh, boy.

854
00:51:42.840 --> 00:51:43.800
Do you know what as well?

855
00:51:43.860 --> 00:51:44.880
is I did notice.

856
00:51:45.239 --> 00:51:48.900
I don't know if it is a 90 straight thing or not, but the reaction shots.

857
00:51:49.079 --> 00:51:54.179
Like, there, you went to Jupac and it was on him at the window for about 5 seconds.

858
00:51:54.659 --> 00:51:57.780
And then you go back to Neelix and it's on him for about five.

859
00:51:57.840 --> 00:52:00.780
Nowadays it would be cut, cut, cut, wouldn't it?

860
00:52:02.159 --> 00:52:03.420
But I mean, look at this.

861
00:52:03.840 --> 00:52:07.980
Oh, watch this bit as the a sklar goes flying out.

862
00:52:08.219 --> 00:52:10.679
No, even before he goes flying, yeah.

863
00:52:10.800 --> 00:52:17.699
When they're fighting over the gun, and the camera is completely steel, and the 2 of them are just being absolute fucking twat.

864
00:52:18.059 --> 00:52:20.460
Like, hugging one out of those stuff.

865
00:52:20.519 --> 00:52:21.300
It's so bad.

866
00:52:21.539 --> 00:52:23.099
How old with laughter, though.

867
00:52:24.000 --> 00:52:24.780
Wait for it.

868
00:52:24.840 --> 00:52:26.039
Oh, you must be a bit ahead of me.

869
00:52:26.099 --> 00:52:26.880
I haven't left yet.

870
00:52:28.199 --> 00:52:30.059
He's still in he's still in the room.

871
00:52:31.199 --> 00:52:32.820
Oh no, I'm a bit behind.

872
00:52:33.599 --> 00:52:34.619
Oh, here he goes.

873
00:52:34.679 --> 00:52:35.340
Woo.

874
00:52:37.860 --> 00:52:39.179
It's so shit.

875
00:52:39.480 --> 00:52:41.280
It's so amazingly shit.

876
00:52:41.400 --> 00:52:42.960
And that's the hero shop.

877
00:52:43.019 --> 00:52:47.880
The great thing about it is that's the big image that they use on memory alpha.

878
00:52:48.420 --> 00:52:49.440
You're joking.

879
00:52:49.440 --> 00:52:51.119
He loves him.

880
00:52:51.300 --> 00:52:54.840
But what makes it look so shitty is the way that he moves.

881
00:52:54.960 --> 00:53:05.039
Like, it's actually not a bad kind of computer generated image. as a still, but as he flies out, Well, to be a bit insulting.

882
00:53:05.280 --> 00:53:10.380
There is something very funny about watching a fat man flying.

883
00:53:10.380 --> 00:53:11.880
Speaking as fat man.

884
00:53:12.420 --> 00:53:13.980
Who just saw wobbles?

885
00:53:14.460 --> 00:53:20.880
I was getting during, but there's an old 60s Doctor Who story where they didn't have the money to show somebody falling down a hole.

886
00:53:21.119 --> 00:53:27.900
So they just cut out a cardboard version of these monsters called the board. and just dropped it down and drained.

887
00:53:28.019 --> 00:53:29.099
Drop it down the hole.

888
00:53:29.699 --> 00:53:31.380
It reminded me a bit of that actually.

889
00:53:31.679 --> 00:53:33.480
So bad. very terrible.

890
00:53:34.199 --> 00:53:34.860
Bless them.

891
00:53:35.340 --> 00:53:36.059
Oh dear.

892
00:53:36.480 --> 00:53:42.539
So do you think if this had come maybe 2 or 3 seasons later, the execution would have been a lot better?

893
00:53:43.019 --> 00:53:50.159
Yeah, but the trouble is already sort of towards the end of series 3, it's too late to be doing this plot.

894
00:53:52.260 --> 00:53:52.980
Don't you think?

895
00:53:53.099 --> 00:53:54.300
with Chewbac and Neelix.

896
00:53:54.360 --> 00:53:55.320
Yeah, it's too late.

897
00:53:55.500 --> 00:53:58.079
Because we haven't ever seen them behaving like this.

898
00:53:58.619 --> 00:54:01.019
There's no indication before this.

899
00:54:01.079 --> 00:54:03.599
Is there that Neelix has intimidated my Tuvok?

900
00:54:04.559 --> 00:54:18.659
No, well, I mean, they did have that wonderful scene in the previous murder mystery episode where Chewbok went bad, went to the holodeck, and took out all of his rage on Niggas and murdered him in the nest hole.

901
00:54:18.719 --> 00:54:19.619
That was very funny.

902
00:54:19.679 --> 00:54:20.400
That thing.

903
00:54:20.639 --> 00:54:24.599
But I mean, but basically, you know, like he kind of, he's sort of jolly with him.

904
00:54:24.659 --> 00:54:30.119
His name, Elix is jolly, calls him Mr. Vulcan, you know, like his sort of cute and punctures his...

905
00:54:30.239 --> 00:54:31.559
Why can't Vulcan smile?

906
00:54:32.460 --> 00:54:34.079
Do they have an aversion to smiling?

907
00:54:34.800 --> 00:54:37.500
Like I seem to remember Ethan Peck smiling quite a lot.

908
00:54:37.860 --> 00:54:41.699
Well, yeah, yeah, yeah, but remember how much that freaked boy were out when he saw it.

909
00:54:44.460 --> 00:54:46.679
Like there when he said, Mr. Vulcan.

910
00:54:46.800 --> 00:54:48.719
Your interpersonal skills are improving.

911
00:54:49.079 --> 00:54:51.119
That would have been a perfect time for us.

912
00:54:51.659 --> 00:55:00.059
I actually do think that that was actually like that Rust did attempt to inject a little bit of warmth into his reaction there, given the constraints.

913
00:55:00.840 --> 00:55:10.380
Oh, I do feel sorry for all of the Voyager crew actors that aren't Ethan Phillips and Tim Ross, who have just been stuck saying Technobap for the entire episode.

914
00:55:10.500 --> 00:55:12.539
But you know, I don't know.

915
00:55:12.719 --> 00:55:19.139
They, they, their technobabble hasn't been too bad, I think, you know, like I actually think those scenes are not super terrible.

916
00:55:21.000 --> 00:55:22.320
Oh my god.

917
00:55:23.039 --> 00:55:24.480
I mean, far out.

918
00:55:25.320 --> 00:55:28.260
I mean, I don't want to be just trapped inside this boring sale.

919
00:55:28.920 --> 00:55:30.059
Well, everyone's sort of shaking.

920
00:55:30.059 --> 00:55:32.519
It maybe would have been more claustrophobic if we have.

921
00:55:32.940 --> 00:55:35.219
Yeah, yeah, but like it's so bad.

922
00:55:35.280 --> 00:55:36.360
It's so boring.

923
00:55:37.199 --> 00:55:40.320
Oh, Tim tried a bit of comedy there where the man hugged him.

924
00:55:40.559 --> 00:55:41.519
I looked a bit awkward.

925
00:55:41.579 --> 00:55:43.440
He does a little bit of a stiff kind of reaction.

926
00:55:44.579 --> 00:55:46.019
Captain, get us out of here, please.

927
00:55:46.440 --> 00:55:47.460
And suddenly we're back.

928
00:55:48.420 --> 00:55:49.260
Touchy feely.

929
00:55:49.320 --> 00:55:50.280
He's here already.

930
00:55:50.340 --> 00:55:51.780
Like he's they're all on board.

931
00:55:52.440 --> 00:56:00.780
This bit now where Neelix comes in and he says the same line that was said earlier about... returned to the surface.

932
00:56:01.920 --> 00:56:02.699
Is it a joke?

933
00:56:03.000 --> 00:56:03.360
Yeah.

934
00:56:04.139 --> 00:56:05.880
It's not played as a joke, no.

935
00:56:06.239 --> 00:56:15.840
But sort of, because like, like, it's what Sklass says, but then there's a look between Tuvok and Neelix, isn't there?

936
00:56:16.019 --> 00:56:24.360
And you kind of think, well, Tuvok was outside the carriage when he said that originally, so he wouldn't have heard it.

937
00:56:24.420 --> 00:56:26.159
So, well, like, what's going?

938
00:56:27.000 --> 00:56:32.340
Always need the TOS unsubtlety of...

939
00:56:32.400 --> 00:56:34.199
But something would have helped there.

940
00:56:34.500 --> 00:56:37.800
No, I think it was kind of like rye or sardonic or something.

941
00:56:37.860 --> 00:56:38.699
Do you know what I mean?

942
00:56:40.500 --> 00:56:41.940
He says he returned to the service.

943
00:56:42.000 --> 00:56:51.420
They look at each other, but there's no way could have heard that because it was said about Tuvok when he was hanging from the strut at the bottom of the at the bottom of the carriage.

944
00:56:51.840 --> 00:56:53.280
So I don't...

945
00:56:53.639 --> 00:56:56.340
Ethan knows how to play it, though, because he plays it seriously.

946
00:56:56.760 --> 00:56:58.019
He looks at you bulk.

947
00:56:58.079 --> 00:57:00.420
But there's no hint of humour in his face.

948
00:57:00.780 --> 00:57:07.079
No, but I mean, he's kind of, I think it is sort of grimly repeating the line that Skla himself had said.

949
00:57:07.440 --> 00:57:16.920
So he had said that of Tuvok, and then, and then, uh, and then Ethan says it about Skla, but none of it makes any sense because Tuvok's never heard.

950
00:57:17.039 --> 00:57:20.880
I would have appreciated here if what's the lady called again?

951
00:57:20.940 --> 00:57:21.719
Lilius.

952
00:57:22.260 --> 00:57:24.239
If Lilius had gotten to Lilix.

953
00:57:24.360 --> 00:57:25.380
You know what, right?

954
00:57:25.440 --> 00:57:29.340
Like, I know it looks like he learned something, but he's still treating you like a prince.

955
00:57:29.639 --> 00:57:30.900
Dumping up with that, all right?

956
00:57:31.679 --> 00:57:33.900
And then he could have had a go at Chewbok at the end.

957
00:57:34.019 --> 00:57:39.059
But I know you said it does look like they're reaching some kind of an impasse at the end.

958
00:57:39.239 --> 00:57:43.619
I just hate that Tuvok comes in and goes, yeah, yeah, yeah. instincts are okay.

959
00:57:43.679 --> 00:57:47.099
But, um, they'll they'll never work again, so don't bother.

960
00:57:47.940 --> 00:57:52.679
So this whole scene here is explaining the motive and stuff like that.

961
00:57:53.099 --> 00:57:57.179
And I just had kind of noped out of the episode by this point.

962
00:57:57.780 --> 00:58:00.179
And so that's why he tried that.

963
00:58:00.239 --> 00:58:01.739
That's why he tried to kill everyone.

964
00:58:02.159 --> 00:58:05.519
And you can we put the data storage on the exterior.

965
00:58:05.820 --> 00:58:08.219
I mean, you can hear Jessica Fletcher now, can't you?

966
00:58:08.519 --> 00:58:10.980
But the trouble is no one discovers any of them.

967
00:58:11.039 --> 00:58:14.579
We just we just get told in it as an info dump at the end.

968
00:58:14.639 --> 00:58:17.099
Like, do you not know how murder mysteries work?

969
00:58:17.159 --> 00:58:18.900
Like, there are clues and shit.

970
00:58:18.960 --> 00:58:19.800
There's none of them.

971
00:58:19.860 --> 00:58:22.559
You should have sat down and goes, do you know what I've been thinking?

972
00:58:22.619 --> 00:58:28.320
There are a few unresolved questions. little adventure we've been on today.

973
00:58:30.300 --> 00:58:32.460
Uh...

974
00:58:32.460 --> 00:58:33.900
What's concession?

975
00:58:33.960 --> 00:58:34.320
Hang on.

976
00:58:34.380 --> 00:58:39.960
I said in my mission report. given you a special commendation for your endurance and bravery.

977
00:58:40.019 --> 00:58:40.559
Okay.

978
00:58:41.400 --> 00:58:45.179
And then, and then he says, but one day you were correct.

979
00:58:45.239 --> 00:58:46.440
But one day they'll fail.

980
00:58:48.239 --> 00:58:49.619
Oh, Chewvok.

981
00:58:49.920 --> 00:58:50.340
Yeah.

982
00:58:50.340 --> 00:58:53.340
You will finally understand that I'm right.

983
00:58:53.400 --> 00:58:54.420
That's what he's saying.

984
00:58:54.960 --> 00:58:55.559
Yeah, yeah.

985
00:58:56.400 --> 00:58:57.960
So, 0 my god.

986
00:58:58.559 --> 00:59:01.559
And then these, like, like, this is not funny.

987
00:59:01.619 --> 00:59:05.579
Like, and however hard, Ethan tries to sell it as a funny line.

988
00:59:05.820 --> 00:59:06.780
It's just not funny.

989
00:59:08.460 --> 00:59:14.039
You know, you could never imagine a scene between Chewbok and Neelix, like the end of one little ship, can you?

990
00:59:14.099 --> 00:59:14.699
Do you remember?

991
00:59:15.059 --> 00:59:17.039
You know, I can't help but notice.

992
00:59:17.099 --> 00:59:18.599
You are a little a la petite side.

993
00:59:18.659 --> 00:59:20.460
Oh, yeah, yeah, is that being genuinely funny?

994
00:59:21.239 --> 00:59:21.659
Yeah.

995
00:59:22.980 --> 00:59:25.980
I just, like, do you remember how their relationship ends?

996
00:59:25.980 --> 00:59:28.800
In Homewood, in series 7.

997
00:59:29.820 --> 00:59:31.139
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

998
00:59:31.139 --> 00:59:44.699
Neelix gets the wonderful sort of everyone's in the corridor seeing him off, and then Juhok comes forward and he's been trying to get him to dance all episode and he just does one dance move as like a little concession.

999
00:59:44.880 --> 00:59:46.619
And I'm like, really?

1000
00:59:47.099 --> 00:59:49.380
And it is touching because he's giving him something.

1001
00:59:50.039 --> 00:59:51.480
But I'm like, come on.

1002
00:59:51.960 --> 00:59:52.800
Can we hug?

1003
00:59:52.860 --> 00:59:53.940
I mean, can't they hug?

1004
00:59:54.599 --> 00:59:57.840
Do you not remember when Odo and Quark said goodbye in the airlock?

1005
00:59:58.920 --> 00:59:59.820
They kind of refuse.

1006
01:00:00.000 --> 01:00:02.460
Aren't you going to say anything to me before you go?

1007
01:00:03.059 --> 01:00:03.480
No.

1008
01:00:09.000 --> 01:00:10.019
Oh my god.

1009
01:00:10.199 --> 01:00:12.059
They started the next episode already.

1010
01:00:12.119 --> 01:00:16.139
Harry Kim's already having premonitions of the Planet of the Women planet.

1011
01:00:16.440 --> 01:00:17.460
Oh my god.

1012
01:00:18.360 --> 01:00:23.880
This was perhaps not the greatest point of Star Trek Voyager, I've been going to say.

1013
01:00:24.300 --> 01:00:30.179
But I mean, I think what I liked about it was that it's a Star Trek episode and I like Star Trek.

1014
01:00:32.880 --> 01:00:35.460
All of the episodes we do, that's true.

1015
01:00:35.699 --> 01:00:36.840
I like that about them.

1016
01:00:37.260 --> 01:00:41.340
But it was also just that I...

1017
01:00:41.340 --> 01:00:42.300
That's a low bar.

1018
01:00:43.320 --> 01:00:46.320
I could imagine it being better.

1019
01:00:46.860 --> 01:00:50.400
You know, the whole idea is not misconceived.

1020
01:00:50.400 --> 01:00:54.059
It's just poorly executed and you can see where it goes wrong.

1021
01:00:54.119 --> 01:01:05.519
You can do a little bit of archeology about, you know, who's responsible, mostly Brannan, but some points, obviously, for Robert Shearer and some of the guest actors.

1022
01:01:05.760 --> 01:01:09.719
But, you know, like I said, I didn't think it was a terrible idea.

1023
01:01:09.780 --> 01:01:21.599
And I certainly remember it from my 1st watch when I was buying the VHS tapes and thinking this is visually different from any situation that I've seen before on Star Trek and that's something, I guess.

1024
01:01:23.820 --> 01:01:41.340
I said to you on the message chat that, um, I am frustrated at this point in series 3 because they have chosen to abandon the attempts that they made of like running art plots in series 2.

1025
01:01:41.880 --> 01:01:44.219
You know, you had Suda turn up a couple of times.

1026
01:01:44.460 --> 01:01:52.559
Cesca kept turning up, all the stuff with the Kazon, Michael Jonas, you know, there was, and certainly in the 2nd half series two.

1027
01:01:52.800 --> 01:02:00.719
They were trying to suggest that there was a universe developing around Star Trek Voyager.

1028
01:02:00.719 --> 01:02:07.199
And then when Michael Piller is out, Jerry Taylor says, no, I don't want to do any of that.

1029
01:02:07.500 --> 01:02:09.420
I don't want to suggest there's a universe.

1030
01:02:09.480 --> 01:02:14.159
I want perfectly syndicated episodes that anyone could put on at any time.

1031
01:02:14.219 --> 01:02:26.519
So we're just going to tell really great adventure stories with big bold ideas, the cue and the gray, warlords, you know, macrocosm space viruses attacking Voyager and things like that.

1032
01:02:26.880 --> 01:02:28.500
And all right, fair enough.

1033
01:02:28.559 --> 01:02:33.539
That's what they did with TNG, for the most part, and it was an enormous success.

1034
01:02:33.599 --> 01:02:37.860
I can see where the instinct is there and the numbers are tailing off in series 2.

1035
01:02:38.340 --> 01:02:40.139
So I can see maybe why she did it.

1036
01:02:40.500 --> 01:02:42.840
I just think in how they execute it.

1037
01:02:43.380 --> 01:03:16.920
It's a far less interesting show as a result and they're just not there with the production team that they've got to make these one hour telemovies that they want to make, visually arresting, you know, certainly like substantial enough to be interesting, and they just don't have the investment in the characters that perhaps DS 9 does. in order to make these sort of one hour shots worth investing in.

1038
01:03:17.519 --> 01:03:25.559
I think the instinct was wrong and I think they probably should have just kept going, stuck to their guns and got better at doing what they did.

1039
01:03:25.619 --> 01:03:27.119
That's what DS9 did.

1040
01:03:27.179 --> 01:03:38.519
It developed as it went along, but they found a formula and they just got better at it as they went along. kicking it all away and just trying this rise, you know, every other week.

1041
01:03:39.119 --> 01:03:39.840
I don't know.

1042
01:03:48.900 --> 01:03:53.219
All right, it's the end of the episode, and it's time for us to work out where we're going next.

1043
01:03:53.280 --> 01:03:59.219
It's your turn at the helm of the randomiser, Joe. What series are you choosing?

1044
01:04:01.019 --> 01:04:04.440
I hate to be predictable, but I am going to be predictable.

1045
01:04:04.800 --> 01:04:05.579
They're all in there.

1046
01:04:05.760 --> 01:04:06.780
All of them.

1047
01:04:07.260 --> 01:04:08.940
Let's leave it to chance.

1048
01:04:09.119 --> 01:04:11.039
But because we took so long last time.

1049
01:04:11.280 --> 01:04:12.420
Should we just go with the 1st one?

1050
01:04:12.960 --> 01:04:13.980
Let's see what it is.

1051
01:04:19.500 --> 01:04:21.239
Oh, I have no idea what it is.

1052
01:04:21.539 --> 01:04:28.260
Your random Star Trek Discovery episode is season four, episode 10, the Galactic Barrier.

1053
01:04:28.860 --> 01:04:31.320
Oh, yes, okay, that's pretty great.

1054
01:04:32.280 --> 01:04:34.679
Does that make any sense if I haven't watched the rest though?

1055
01:04:34.739 --> 01:04:37.260
Almost certainly not, but I mean, it's going to happen.

1056
01:04:37.380 --> 01:04:38.519
It's going to be like that.

1057
01:04:38.699 --> 01:04:46.079
So we've seen series 4 and we've seen the mid-season break and it's the, what do they call?

1058
01:04:46.139 --> 01:04:47.340
the 10 C or something?

1059
01:04:47.400 --> 01:05:10.860
The big aliens that wiped out Books Planet, and we are about literally to go through the galactic barrier that's 1st posited in the 2nd ever episode of Star Trek where no man has gone before, the big barrier that surrounds the galaxy, because we have to go out of that in order to encounter the 10 C.

1060
01:05:11.159 --> 01:05:21.239
Now, I think that that run of discovery is my favourite apart from series one because it gets the serialisation right.

1061
01:05:21.300 --> 01:05:25.079
So the galactic barrier is about something, but it is part of a larger story.

1062
01:05:26.519 --> 01:05:28.260
I mean, it's doable.

1063
01:05:28.320 --> 01:05:36.119
Um, in the same way that, you know, uh, like, any episode of octriven Kursman trick is...

1064
01:05:36.179 --> 01:05:46.739
Or, you know, like if we, I think we've watched one, haven't we out of the 6 episode arc that starts series 6 of Deep Space 9, you know, it's a little bit like that.

1065
01:05:46.920 --> 01:05:48.420
Something coherent happens.

1066
01:05:48.480 --> 01:05:53.820
It is, I think, probably a satisfying episode of TV in itself, but it is part of a larger story.

1067
01:05:55.320 --> 01:06:07.800
I am intrigued, I have to say, and I have actually been intrigued by Sirius 4 of discovery ever since you started waxing lyrical about it, but I think I want to see some more of the others. before I do the ending.

1068
01:06:08.099 --> 01:06:14.099
Yeah. because I don't want to do the landing and then watch all the work that gets there.

1069
01:06:14.519 --> 01:06:16.380
It's not quite the ending, I think.

1070
01:06:17.460 --> 01:06:23.340
Even though it's episode 10, I think that season actually runs for a couple more episodes after that.

1071
01:06:25.199 --> 01:06:26.880
I have already pressed the partners.

1072
01:06:26.940 --> 01:06:28.440
Okay, well, that's the Apple.

1073
01:06:28.500 --> 01:06:29.039
Yeah, yeah.

1074
01:06:29.039 --> 01:06:32.400
Well, I do wonder if we should do this, actually, but it is another Voyager.

1075
01:06:32.639 --> 01:06:33.119
Okay.

1076
01:06:33.840 --> 01:06:45.599
But I'm intrigued to know what on earth you're going to think of this because we have done the big 2 part species 8472 introductory episodes.

1077
01:06:46.139 --> 01:06:50.460
Scorpion, and we have done the astonishing.

1078
01:06:51.000 --> 01:06:55.440
We're gonna hunt Species 8472 around Voyager episode, prey.

1079
01:06:56.039 --> 01:06:59.760
And this is now the culmination of their storyline.

1080
01:07:00.420 --> 01:07:04.380
The great plot to invade the earth or something.

1081
01:07:05.519 --> 01:07:08.400
Season five, episode 4 in the flesh.

1082
01:07:08.820 --> 01:07:22.619
Is that the really boring one where they're all holograms or something and they're just people because we've kind of abandoned the idea. making them sort of crappy CGIs. sub like Timu Xenomorphs, you know?

1083
01:07:23.280 --> 01:07:24.179
It is, it is.

1084
01:07:24.360 --> 01:07:25.800
Oh, I'll press it again.

1085
01:07:25.860 --> 01:07:26.940
I won't put you through.

1086
01:07:27.719 --> 01:07:30.480
Oh, no, but it will be a two-parter if we do.

1087
01:07:31.619 --> 01:07:32.519
I'm up for it.

1088
01:07:33.059 --> 01:07:34.380
Oh, I'm intrigued.

1089
01:07:34.440 --> 01:07:42.119
I've not seen this episode or this pair of episodes in... 10 years. long time.

1090
01:07:42.780 --> 01:07:45.000
I just remember the time.

1091
01:07:45.000 --> 01:07:45.900
Fuck.

1092
01:07:45.960 --> 01:07:48.059
It's gambit part two.

1093
01:07:48.599 --> 01:07:49.559
Oh, wow.

1094
01:07:50.340 --> 01:07:51.059
Damn it.

1095
01:07:51.059 --> 01:07:54.360
A mid-season too.

1096
01:07:54.420 --> 01:07:55.559
Yeah, do you remember?

1097
01:07:56.099 --> 01:07:57.119
It's pretty terrible.

1098
01:07:58.079 --> 01:07:58.920
Is it really terrible?

1099
01:07:59.099 --> 01:07:59.760
I think so.

1100
01:08:00.360 --> 01:08:01.739
I'm up for it if you are.

1101
01:08:01.739 --> 01:08:02.579
Season seven.

1102
01:08:02.639 --> 01:08:04.920
No, we've done so much.

1103
01:08:06.960 --> 01:08:08.280
I'm up for it, actually.

1104
01:08:08.340 --> 01:08:09.059
Yeah, all right.

1105
01:08:09.119 --> 01:08:10.800
I'm going to do some TNG.

1106
01:08:10.860 --> 01:08:13.440
I think that's quite low on the percentage is actually TNG.

1107
01:08:13.500 --> 01:08:14.280
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1108
01:08:14.340 --> 01:08:14.639
All right.

1109
01:08:14.699 --> 01:08:15.360
No, let's do that.

1110
01:08:15.420 --> 01:08:15.960
That'd be fun.

1111
01:08:16.739 --> 01:08:18.659
Gambit, part one and part two.

1112
01:08:19.199 --> 01:08:23.819
Will you live up to your, well, my terrible memories, have you?

1113
01:08:23.880 --> 01:08:24.479
Let's find out.

1114
01:08:33.119 --> 01:08:37.260
You've been listening to entitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford and Nathan Bottomley.

1115
01:08:37.319 --> 01:08:42.600
You can find us online at untitled Star Trek project.com and wherever you get your podcasts.

1116
01:08:43.380 --> 01:08:48.060
Our artwork is by Kayla Ciceran, and the theme was composed by Cameron Lamb.

1117
01:08:48.359 --> 01:08:53.699
This episode was recorded on the 27th of October 2026 and released on the 30th of October.

1118
01:08:54.300 --> 01:08:59.819
We'll see you next time for Star Trek the Next Generation, Gambit part one and Gambit part two.

1119
01:09:18.659 --> 01:09:19.619
Look at Alfie.

1120
01:09:20.220 --> 01:09:22.979
I know, he's been there the whole time, you know, so get on.

1121
01:09:23.279 --> 01:09:26.939
Yeah, Calvin took the other dog upstairs, the maniac dog.

1122
01:09:27.600 --> 01:09:34.020
You know what's funny is, I don't know why, but Amazon Prime gives this the title right.

1123
01:09:35.039 --> 01:09:36.060
Exclamation mark.

1124
01:09:36.720 --> 01:09:37.979
Whereas nowhere else.

1125
01:09:38.039 --> 01:09:39.359
Call it, explanation.

1126
01:09:39.779 --> 01:09:44.760
So I watch it on Amazon Prime this afternoon on my phone, on the couch.

1127
01:09:45.720 --> 01:09:48.359
And yes, I did notice that it was called Rise the Musical.

1128
01:09:48.899 --> 01:09:51.960
You know, it's got the DVD year of Voyager.

1129
01:09:52.140 --> 01:09:53.939
It's not question mark, man.

1130
01:09:54.300 --> 01:09:54.720
No.

1131
01:09:54.720 --> 01:10:01.439
The one that really should have an exclamation mark is obviously Cardassians, because that's a musical.

1132
01:10:01.619 --> 01:10:02.520
Do you know what I mean?

1133
01:10:02.579 --> 01:10:04.859
Cardassians, you know, like that's clearly.

1134
01:10:04.859 --> 01:10:10.140
The only one that has got an exclamation mark in Voyager is Bride of Chaotica.

1135
01:10:11.880 --> 01:10:16.020
There must be, there must be a curtes and trick with an exclamation mark.

1136
01:10:16.260 --> 01:10:17.279
Oh, for sure.

1137
01:10:18.000 --> 01:10:20.699
Okay, this is a tag, probably, just wait a sec.

1138
01:10:20.760 --> 01:10:21.479
I'm gonna look it up.

1139
01:10:22.079 --> 01:10:24.420
Is there a DS9 with an X ration mark?

1140
01:10:24.960 --> 01:10:26.100
I am going to look.

1141
01:10:26.100 --> 01:10:28.140
I feel like they should be.

1142
01:10:28.680 --> 01:10:30.420
Untitled Star Trek project.

1143
01:10:34.920 --> 01:10:36.479
Great research going on here.

1144
01:10:38.159 --> 01:10:41.880
Star Trek titles with exclamation marks.

1145
01:10:42.239 --> 01:10:42.659
Right?

1146
01:10:43.979 --> 01:10:47.760
Okay, we have Operation Annihilate.

1147
01:10:47.760 --> 01:10:49.439
Oh, TOS.

1148
01:10:49.920 --> 01:10:50.640
There's three.

1149
01:10:50.640 --> 01:10:54.000
Uh, Bride of Chaotica.

1150
01:10:57.119 --> 01:11:04.979
Starbase 80, question mark exclamation mark, which is an episode of Lower Decks from season five.

1151
01:11:05.340 --> 01:11:06.000
Is that it?

1152
01:11:06.060 --> 01:11:06.720
Just the three.

1153
01:11:06.779 --> 01:11:07.319
That's it.

1154
01:11:07.380 --> 01:11:08.100
Just the three.

1155
01:11:08.279 --> 01:11:09.420
Oh, shame.

1156
01:11:09.479 --> 01:11:11.100
They should have had move along home.

1157
01:11:11.460 --> 01:11:12.420
Ex!

1158
01:11:12.600 --> 01:11:15.180
Yeah, but it should be Cardassians for sure.

1159
01:11:15.239 --> 01:11:17.159
Like I just assumed that that was a musical.

1160
01:11:17.819 --> 01:11:20.279
They could have called it a la Moraine, couldn't they?

1161
01:11:20.460 --> 01:11:21.119
Yeah, yeah.

1162
01:11:21.119 --> 01:11:24.119
Should subspace, subspace Rhapsody?

1163
01:11:24.180 --> 01:11:25.560
That kind of thing.