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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So, we're back aboard the very, very first Enterprise.

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It's Star Trek Enterprise season one, episode 11.

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It 1st aired in November 2001 and is directed by the worst Robert himself, Robert Duncan McNeil.

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It's called Cold Front, and its working title was Untitled Soulaban episode.

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No.

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Plus to know that we weren't with a similar sort of imagination sort of rise of this episode.

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Exactly right.

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Exactly right.

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They should have gone with untitled sort of bad episodes.

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About as much information as we get within the episode.

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But I'd like to say, you know, season one, it's always a dangerous place to be in any Star Trek season, except maybe Discovery.

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I'd like to say choppy Waters, but no, I'd probably say very still Waters indeed.

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Yeah. really boring, isn't it?

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I kind of was watching this and giving you my usual commentary as I was going through in a series of messages on the chat.

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And when I got to the end, I was just like, I have seen that episode many, many times in other Star Trek shows, but with so much more dynamism than they managed here.

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And I just don't understand how this production team that have been making Star Trek for how long now?

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A decade?

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Yeah, a lot of, how they seem to have unlearned lessons.

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And things that were quite, you know, exciting in episodes like Voyages, Prey, and DS9's, the adversary, are somehow extremely boring here in Enterprise Series one.

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What's happening?

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I don't know.

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I don't know.

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I mean, it's the same thing that we said about Strange New World, which is the 1st enterprise episode that we ever did, where it's kind of gone back to basics and it's decided that Star Trek Nemesis was too cerebral and then have to do something. have to do something stupider for the slow withered members of the audience.

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And that's who they're pitching it at.

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And so this is a thing where a big event sort of happens, you know, we get guests on board the ship and in a sense that's reasonably agreeable, but just not particularly interesting.

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And boring, Nathan. none of them have got a personality.

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The only one who's got a personality in any of those scenes is Dr. Flux, who's having a great time with them.

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He's terrific.

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And that's a thing that's sort of slightly something.

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Um, but then there's this sort of conflict where we get Daniels, who is like yeoman Daniels or something.

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He serves Archery's breakfast or something.

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And Silic, whose name we hear for the 1st time in this episode, but he was the Sullivan who fought with Archer in the pilot in Broken Bow.

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And so this is the 1st time that that plot gets picked up in the actual show.

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Oh, so we haven't touched the temporal Cold War between then and now.

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Okay, so this kind of was a big deal.

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Yes.

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Why didn't they make it a big deal then?

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I don't know.

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I think they decided they weren't going to do big deals that they were just going to do very boring and straightforward episodes.

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And so this ends up being an episode that doesn't have a really interesting hook that isn't really about anything, that in theory could be interesting.

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It has a superb guest character who's labouring under a whole heap of Michael Westmore latex.

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Did you mean guest actor or guest character?

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Because he's not an interesting character.

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I mean a guest actor.

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It's John Fleck.

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Silic.

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We 1st saw him in Star Trek in the mind's eye, where he was a really brilliantly kind of villainous Romulan, who, you know, like he's got a whole leg.

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Yeah, well, he is a Cardassian overseer in the homecoming.

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Oh, the one who gets beaten up by Kira.

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Yes, yes.

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He is a weird looking alien in the search part one.

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Oh, wasn't he in Alice?

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And he is Abaddon, who sells...

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The best thing about it, wasn't it?

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Oh, hey, I've got some spare parts for you, Voyager.

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Yeah, he was very tad, wasn't he?

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Yeah, yeah.

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Oh, and he does play.

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I remember he's terrific in inter armour in DS9. as the Romula.

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He's co-fal.

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Yeah, yeah, that's a great turn.

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And he's in a couple of episodes of The Orval as well. including in the most recent season as the Krill Ambassador.

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He's a theatre gay.

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He has had a massive career.

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He's really, really good.

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I think he's really great, but he is really wasted here.

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He's in maybe 8 episodes of Enterprise.

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So he's a sort of recurring villain.

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But he's in a plot, this temporal Cold War plot, which the show keeps coming back to for various reasons, but which really, really doesn't do anything here.

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They don't want to knuckle down and tell you what it's about.

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I said to you in the chat.

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I feel like this is like X-Files mythology where they want to sort of suggest something epic is going on and we're sort of heading in some crazy dramatic direction, but they don't actually want to give you any details whatsoever.

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So in this episode, which is about, or the sort of peripherally about the temporal Cold War, we have no idea what the stakes of that war is.

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We'd only really even know who's fighting that war.

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So we have no interest in that.

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And then you've got Daniels and Silly Silic.

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What a stupid name.

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It ends with a K. It's a space name.

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Silic, who clearly have some kind of past.

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And yet, there's no relationship between the 2 of them.

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There's no there's no chemistry between the 2 of them.

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So there's nothing to interest you there.

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And so they're telling you all this stuff's really important whilst never displaying that anything is worth investing in.

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Yeah, so at this point, I don't think they know what it is.

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What's kind of going on.

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And you can see that, you know, eventually it turns into stormfront, parts one and two.

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It ends up being the sphere builders and the Zindi and all of that.

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But there's no way they have that in mind at this point.

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And they're clearly setting it up as a kind of interesting thing.

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It occurred to me that each Star Trek series gets to create its own villains, doesn't it?

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Like TOS has the Klingons and the Romulans, TNG introduces the Borg, it reintroduces the Romulans, discovery, brings the Klingons back, but then has all sorts of other things happening.

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Dominion in DS9?

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The Dominion in DS9, the Cardassians in DS9, the Kazon in Voyager, or the Vedians, or, you know, the, in fact, Voyager took a stab at quite a few.

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What were the big warriors called?

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The herogen.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah.

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And like that's an interesting thing that's absolutely a thing that you can do and that's what they're trying to do here because they've said it in the past and they do have Vulcans and Andorians and Klingons and stuff, but they want their own unique thing and because they're going back in time and this is a crucial part of history from our point of view since we've spent so many seasons in the 24th century.

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So they have the temporal Cold War, and I don't know what they're trying to say because they're not super political, but it just ends up being boring and kind of nothing, I think.

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All of those things you just mentioned, though, right?

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Like the Borg, that was such an interesting concept when they came in, this sort of hive mind that will assimilate you into it.

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Really scary, a great hook.

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The Dominion, it comes in with a 3 tier hierarchy where there's power struggles where you've got different guest actors that keep coming back that all have relationships.

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So it's packed full of salt.

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What is here with the Sula bomb?

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I mean, they can turn invisible or sort of chameleonic, plus they can travel in time.

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But there's no personality.

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There's no entertainment with them, you know, apart from those tricks.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Are they also doing things like they can go flat or they can sort of, you know, bend their arms or whatever.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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They can do all that sort of special effect stuff.

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Fango.

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I thought you said John Flex a good actor.

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If he can't lift this stuff, then the Ryan is the problem.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah.

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And so this is a sort of a bit of a boring nothing episode.

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And then it commits all the sins that that enterprise commits like having Hoshi and Travis B completely sidelined.

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They get more lines than they normally do.

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There's banter, which doesn't come off.

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Oh, I will talk about the banter as we go through this.

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It's dismal.

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It's pretty bad.

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It is pretty bad.

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I just think this is like Robert Duncan memorial.

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He did direct a couple of really good Voyager episodes.

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He directed Unity, which I think we've done, which was really nicely directed.

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I mean, it was a good script.

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You remember the one with all the Borg and Chakotay on the planet?

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With some creepy moments, the bit where the Borg leaps up or, you know, on the sick baby and things like that.

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So he can do it.

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I just can't imagine a more half-assed execution of this episode.

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I mean, 2 of the 3 ad breaks are people going, my God, let's go to his quarters, just walking out of room.

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And I'm like, well, I can't wait to come back and see what's going to happen when we get back.

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It's so plotting.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah.

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It's really something.

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I just can't wait to watch this thing you know.

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No, I'm very excited.

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I am very excited.

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It took me a couple of goes to get more than 10 minutes in, I have to say, but I did.

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I did watch it all today.

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I did watch it all today.

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Was it interruptions or just life is too sure.

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It was just I found something else to do, you know.

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Cut your toenails, things like that. go to bed.

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Maybe I just go to bed and watch this tomorrow.

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I'd rather be unconscious than watch this episode of Enterprise.

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Pretty much.

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Oh boy, oh boy.

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I mean, you know, as ever, right?

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I mean, please take the hugest compliment here, that whenever I watch these episodes of Star Trek, I just know the lie at the end of the tunnel is I get to laugh with you for 40 minutes about it.

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And that will be fine.

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If I wasn't doing this podcast, I wouldn't finish half these episodes, all right?

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No, no.

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To see what we do, friend listeners.

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We can.

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It's our craft.

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So you don't have to.

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Absolutely.

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Unless you want to, in which case you're mad.

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Well, on that note, I think we should go in.

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Go away.

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Go away.

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All right.

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I will count us in.

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Five, four, three, two, one, and we are off.

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Okay.

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So Star Trek, the Next Generation had a rule that we don't have scenes that don't have our characters in them, that someone from our regulars has to be in it.

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Right?

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What, an actual?

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Yeah, yeah, writing rule.

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It was an actual writing rule.

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And they do break it occasionally and obviously, you know, deep space 9 breaks it all the time and it is something that we don't tend to do sort of going forward.

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But this is the reason why they have that.

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Because this scene is fucking incomprehensible.

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And if you are paying attention to broken bow and you might not have been.

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That's absolutely.

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I mean, who the hell even knows?

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This is what, episode 13, 12?

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11 so that was 10 weeks ago. to remember that with no previously on to remind us.

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No, no.

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And so we, you know, he's failed.

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He's getting a big needle stuck in his eye.

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There's a guy in a sort of space shower who we hear can't appear later on, you know, Daniels explains to us that he only manifests in the shower.

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So that's where he's broadcasting from, I think.

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Um, and he is called humanoid figure, I think, is his name.

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Is that the sort of time lord in the shadows that we see?

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Yeah, oh, okay.

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It all talks like that.

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Oh yes, go and do your mission.

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And he's giving the Solaban genetic engineering technology, which is why it's a Cold War.

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So they're fighting because they're just sort of squashy nobodies, but the shower guy is, is, you know, giving him genetic upgrades or something.

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It's all a thing.

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I realise on my listen through too.

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I've got faith of the heart this time around.

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There is a lyric in era.

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I object to a lot, actually.

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That is no one's going to bend or break me because that sounds really fun.

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I don't understand why they're getting to that.

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I always listen to the song.

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It's the only titles I listen to every time.

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No, I sing it.

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Okay, so...

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Hoshi and traffic's going to say.

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It starts promisingly, doesn't it, with both of them?

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And they're having a chat, but again, they...

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I mean, what is that?

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What is that?

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That's not a real movie.

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Why can't we do an actual reference to some real pop culture?

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They should have said like the room, couldn't they?

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That terrible Tommy Waso movie.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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We watched the we watched the musical of Les Miserables.

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And one of them isn't a fan of musicals and goes, 50,000 movies in the database.

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That's what they chose.

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I mean, can't you just go to your quarters and watch whatever movie you want?

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You can, but this is the 1st mention of movie night, and it does become a thing, and you remember that great discovery episode, which ends with movie night in one of the shuttle bays as well.

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So it is a thing that goes on, like that kind of thing. that become things.

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But I don't remember these things at all.

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So movie night does become a thing.

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They do talk about it on the show, and it is not bad.

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They don't have a holodeck, you know, it does what Voyages kind of, um, you know, saudrines or whatever does.

228
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It gives them a culture.

229
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Did you see that peculiar salt seller that you picked up?

230
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It looks like an enormous needle with a ball on the bottom.

231
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I actually thought that that was surprisingly middle class for Archer, who?

232
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I mean, like archer.

233
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Archer is very middle class, he plays water polo.

234
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He's not, you know, for all his attempts at blokiness.

235
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I could not believe how poor, God, I've forgotten his name.

236
00:15:35.460 --> 00:15:36.659
Well, who plays Archer?

237
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Scott Bacula was asked to play this scene where he's sort of going...

238
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Oh, and where are you going?

239
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And can we come with you?

240
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And I'm like, who did his diplomacy classes at the Federation Academy?

241
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It's really bad. isn't it?

242
00:15:58.080 --> 00:16:02.220
Everyone's sort of behaving like children that have never been to our permission before.

243
00:16:02.940 --> 00:16:11.820
It's actually a shame because this is the sort of thing that that, you know, I kind of say that Voyager never gets the chance to do very much.

244
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Remember the Ronald D. Moore episode where everyone's on board and they're bringing things and we're having a cultural thing.

245
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And I just thought, that's awesome.

246
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Why aren't we doing that?

247
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And this is this.

248
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This is why we here.

249
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This is what Star Trek's about.

250
00:16:26.159 --> 00:16:31.740
And I really liked it as an idea, but the execution, he just looks like an idiot.

251
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Like, he just looks like a, you know, and he's not being an asshole, which is his usual, which is quite nice.

252
00:16:38.340 --> 00:16:39.779
Yeah, it makes it...

253
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I don't think this is a better alternative because I was just watching this scene going, you're really bad at your job.

254
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Like, I'm not a captain in Starfleet and I think I could conduct this introduction a lot better than you are.

255
00:16:52.860 --> 00:16:53.879
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

256
00:16:53.940 --> 00:16:55.559
Yeah, no, it is very strange.

257
00:16:56.639 --> 00:17:05.400
We did see Daniel's 1st scene, and he is called Matt Winston, and did you know?

258
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I found this out.

259
00:17:06.779 --> 00:17:19.980
This is on the memory alpha page, he is the son of Stan Winston, who is the visual effects guy who did all of these things like Terminator and aliens and like all of those visual effects.

260
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He was a massive, fabulous robots crushing the skulls.

261
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He's really, really amazing.

262
00:17:26.460 --> 00:17:27.539
Like, a huge...

263
00:17:27.539 --> 00:17:29.220
Could they have pulled him on Enterprise then?

264
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They need your help.

265
00:17:32.339 --> 00:17:34.259
So here's the other thing here.

266
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Why are these all men?

267
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Why are these all men?

268
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So they're called gentlemen?

269
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They're called men in dialogue.

270
00:17:41.279 --> 00:17:44.759
These are all men who are coming, at least they're not all white.

271
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I mean, there's 2 black guys as well.

272
00:17:48.480 --> 00:17:51.119
How can you tell they're all covered in sort of orange latex?

273
00:17:51.420 --> 00:17:57.900
I know, but they, you know, they're white guys covered in orange latex, but there are a couple of black guys there, but everyone's a man.

274
00:17:58.319 --> 00:18:08.400
And in fact, the only women in the cast are in the regular cast, you know, at Toshi who gets a scene and poor old Jolene.

275
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It is that thing that you said about stripping back all the progressiveness, isn't it?

276
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Yeah, it's really there in series one.

277
00:18:18.660 --> 00:18:20.759
Yeah, I think they get better at it.

278
00:18:20.819 --> 00:18:30.059
They bring women in, you know, like, yeah, things to improve, but this is definitely a Star Trek being aimed at a particular demographic.

279
00:18:30.480 --> 00:18:31.500
Yeah, yeah.

280
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People that like boring telly.

281
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That's right.

282
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That's exactly it.

283
00:18:37.619 --> 00:18:39.900
I mean this guy's sort of trying his best.

284
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This is, um, pra Mantu.

285
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John F's name.

286
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You can't miss him.

287
00:18:49.859 --> 00:18:52.859
I mean, they all have unfortunate latex heads, don't they?

288
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

289
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Bones sticking out and bumps everywhere.

290
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Embarrassing, really.

291
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It makes me feel nostalgic for the outrageous O'Connor where Westmore had the week off.

292
00:19:06.539 --> 00:19:09.599
But why can't we like, this was Kurtzman Trek, right?

293
00:19:09.660 --> 00:19:14.880
These aliens would be really fun and they would have fun rituals and we'd be doing comedy.

294
00:19:15.240 --> 00:19:16.079
Do you know what I mean?

295
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Everyone would have personality.

296
00:19:17.279 --> 00:19:19.680
I couldn't tell you who one of these characters are.

297
00:19:20.279 --> 00:19:29.279
You know, I actually, I mean, I kind of like this as an idea, like, and they are doing religion, but it is, it's very strange the way they do it.

298
00:19:29.759 --> 00:19:31.680
And I think it's interesting.

299
00:19:31.740 --> 00:19:38.279
So you've got Dr. Flux who knows about Hinduism, but then he says he's been and seen mass celebrated at St.

300
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Peter's Square.

301
00:19:39.420 --> 00:19:42.779
And you kind of think, are we still doing that in the 22nd century?

302
00:19:43.500 --> 00:19:44.940
I'm sure Rottenbury would approve.

303
00:19:45.420 --> 00:19:47.039
No, you see, I don't think he would.

304
00:19:47.099 --> 00:19:49.500
We have a mention of Devali, don't we?

305
00:19:49.500 --> 00:20:00.420
In Data's Day, in Star Trek, the Next Generation, our 1st sort of mention of a non-Christian religion in Star Trek, like a human religion.

306
00:20:00.779 --> 00:20:04.559
Um, And so there is stuff about religion here.

307
00:20:04.680 --> 00:20:09.839
And, you know, like Archer makes the dumbest, he's just saying it now.

308
00:20:10.019 --> 00:20:11.759
He's asked what religion he is.

309
00:20:11.819 --> 00:20:15.900
Does he have a religion and he can't say because this is American network television.

310
00:20:16.079 --> 00:20:18.660
No, I don't when he clearly doesn't.

311
00:20:18.900 --> 00:20:22.619
And so he says, oh, I just try and keep no mind.

312
00:20:23.099 --> 00:20:26.640
I mean, that's as ambiguous as what he was asked to recommend great literature.

313
00:20:27.180 --> 00:20:27.839
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

314
00:20:27.900 --> 00:20:29.519
I'm sure you're shelf over there.

315
00:20:30.000 --> 00:20:31.859
That's right.

316
00:20:32.880 --> 00:20:35.819
He just has no personality at all, does he?

317
00:20:36.359 --> 00:20:37.859
Apart from being an asshole.

318
00:20:38.400 --> 00:20:38.819
Yeah.

319
00:20:39.119 --> 00:20:48.839
So this scene here, we have Malcolm Hoshi and Travis on board the bridge, and we're talking about our special guests.

320
00:20:49.500 --> 00:20:53.759
Malcolm's going to go, apparently there are only 3 people on the bridge for some reason.

321
00:20:53.819 --> 00:21:05.579
I don't quite know why that is, but Malcolm's going to go off and mend something, and he's called both of them ensigns, just to make it clear that there's a mediocre white man in charge in this scene.

322
00:21:05.759 --> 00:21:07.319
So he's...

323
00:21:07.440 --> 00:21:08.519
Trust nothing, is it?

324
00:21:08.579 --> 00:21:13.079
He goes and then he's back within 30 seconds just to tell him to get out the chair.

325
00:21:14.039 --> 00:21:14.880
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

326
00:21:14.940 --> 00:21:17.039
And so Hoshi says, why don't you go in the chair?

327
00:21:17.400 --> 00:21:20.460
And he sort of smiles, but he's playing it like a child.

328
00:21:21.059 --> 00:21:23.160
I did like that to him going, no, I'm fine here.

329
00:21:23.220 --> 00:21:23.700
I'm fine here.

330
00:21:23.940 --> 00:21:27.779
It's when he fits in the chair and goes, whoa, can I fire the phases or something like that?

331
00:21:27.960 --> 00:21:29.339
Oh, come on.

332
00:21:30.000 --> 00:21:31.140
God, you're not in the chair.

333
00:21:31.200 --> 00:21:31.680
Jesus.

334
00:21:31.740 --> 00:21:35.400
You'd be perfect for series 3 actually. when we go around terrorising everybody.

335
00:21:36.480 --> 00:21:39.960
But it is that thing where Reid comes back and puts him in his place.

336
00:21:40.079 --> 00:21:46.200
You know, just makes it very clear who or what sort of person is in charge on this ship.

337
00:21:46.500 --> 00:21:48.359
They see the optics of how this looks.

338
00:21:48.839 --> 00:21:49.619
Even then.

339
00:21:50.160 --> 00:21:50.640
Why?

340
00:21:51.299 --> 00:21:52.079
I don't know.

341
00:21:52.259 --> 00:21:53.579
I just don't know.

342
00:21:54.359 --> 00:21:56.279
It looks really bad, doesn't it?

343
00:21:56.339 --> 00:21:57.000
What does he say?

344
00:21:57.059 --> 00:22:01.079
He comes in and says, permission to take my station.

345
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My station.

346
00:22:01.740 --> 00:22:03.000
My...

347
00:22:03.480 --> 00:22:04.200
Yeah, yeah.

348
00:22:04.380 --> 00:22:06.299
Get back in your subordinates.

349
00:22:07.380 --> 00:22:08.160
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

350
00:22:08.220 --> 00:22:10.920
And now look at him look at the way he's playing it as well.

351
00:22:11.519 --> 00:22:15.119
Like, and he's really abashed and sort of embarrassed and stuff.

352
00:22:15.180 --> 00:22:17.039
It's yucky saying.

353
00:22:17.099 --> 00:22:18.240
Like, it's not funny.

354
00:22:18.299 --> 00:22:20.220
It's sort of unpleasant.

355
00:22:20.279 --> 00:22:27.240
Going back to what you were saying about um, the religious aspect, you know, going to see this nebula of what it all means and all of that.

356
00:22:27.660 --> 00:22:28.440
Yeah, fine.

357
00:22:29.579 --> 00:22:33.420
I object to the fact that it's really very tediously portrayed, right?

358
00:22:33.480 --> 00:22:35.579
There's nothing really interesting going on there.

359
00:22:35.640 --> 00:22:38.220
But like, that's not tied into the main plot at all.

360
00:22:38.460 --> 00:22:38.819
No.

361
00:22:38.819 --> 00:22:40.920
It's just a complete side note.

362
00:22:41.460 --> 00:22:42.359
It's so weird.

363
00:22:43.019 --> 00:22:47.519
Like, and nowadays, you would have thematic cohesion in an episode.

364
00:22:47.519 --> 00:22:53.579
Now it's just like killing time. exactly right This is just using up running time.

365
00:22:53.640 --> 00:22:59.099
It's just background against, you know, for this thing to happen against.

366
00:22:59.460 --> 00:23:00.660
So this is going on.

367
00:23:00.720 --> 00:23:02.640
You know, they let people on board.

368
00:23:02.700 --> 00:23:04.859
That's potentially interesting.

369
00:23:04.920 --> 00:23:08.220
I mean, is it is it just, what was it the other day?

370
00:23:08.460 --> 00:23:16.799
There was an episode of Star Trek, the Next Generation within a really, really boring B plot with a garbage scale that they had to eat into the sun?

371
00:23:17.279 --> 00:23:18.180
Right, yes.

372
00:23:18.180 --> 00:23:19.859
I can't even remember.

373
00:23:20.400 --> 00:23:22.500
And I can't remember what the A-plot was.

374
00:23:23.400 --> 00:23:25.619
But like we were complaining about it.

375
00:23:25.680 --> 00:23:33.180
And I was saying, oh, you know, there's something about seeing people do their jobs on a starship that's interesting in itself.

376
00:23:33.599 --> 00:23:41.099
But that had the excuse of being reasonably early on in sort of 90s treks existence.

377
00:23:41.519 --> 00:23:44.339
This is now season, you know, I don't know.

378
00:23:44.460 --> 00:23:45.480
Well, 22.

379
00:23:46.140 --> 00:23:46.980
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

380
00:23:47.160 --> 00:23:48.359
This is season 22.

381
00:23:48.839 --> 00:23:49.740
That's not enough.

382
00:23:49.859 --> 00:23:51.960
You know, that's not enough anymore.

383
00:23:52.380 --> 00:23:56.099
Did you see that dismal CGI ham then, the wedding?

384
00:23:56.099 --> 00:23:56.880
John Flex.

385
00:23:56.880 --> 00:23:57.539
Cartoony.

386
00:23:58.079 --> 00:24:00.480
John Flex cartoon hand. in.

387
00:24:02.700 --> 00:24:03.180
Yeah.

388
00:24:03.240 --> 00:24:10.319
So just all of their instincts, I think, in series one, were it kind of was doomed failure, I think.

389
00:24:10.799 --> 00:24:19.619
Yeah. to strip back the Star Trek from Star Trek. to strip back the progressiveness of Star Trek.

390
00:24:20.519 --> 00:24:22.079
It's just so bizarre.

391
00:24:23.700 --> 00:24:48.299
Some things that they do, like, the fact that they go back and go, Andorians, um, you know, Tellerites and Vulcans, and that they take that episode of original Trek, and that they make those important in a way that they then become important to, um, to Kurtzman Trek. you know, that picture of how the federation is created and stuff.

392
00:24:48.359 --> 00:24:49.980
Like, I think that's interesting.

393
00:24:50.039 --> 00:25:00.599
They go back and they, they look at bits of Star Trek law that had been neglected by, by 90s strike up till that and that gives it a distinctive feel.

394
00:25:00.720 --> 00:25:05.819
Like going back to sort of, you know, things that they haven't done since the original series.

395
00:25:05.880 --> 00:25:09.359
Like they, they, they do make some interesting decisions, I think.

396
00:25:09.599 --> 00:25:13.319
But it's the execution. especially in series one.

397
00:25:13.500 --> 00:25:17.579
Like you go and watch some latter-day voyages and DS9s.

398
00:25:17.640 --> 00:25:20.940
And all right, yeah, some of it plots, but some of it's really exciting.

399
00:25:21.059 --> 00:25:22.740
Sacrifice of angels, go and watch that.

400
00:25:22.920 --> 00:25:27.779
I mean, we objected to a lot in fury, but there's a action set pieces happening.

401
00:25:28.259 --> 00:25:30.180
Bulkheads flying everywhere, you know.

402
00:25:30.480 --> 00:25:31.259
Yeah, yeah.

403
00:25:31.559 --> 00:25:33.240
Why is this so plotting?

404
00:25:34.140 --> 00:25:35.700
It's really boring, isn't it?

405
00:25:35.940 --> 00:25:39.900
I mean, you've got poor old trip running around trying to make it interesting.

406
00:25:40.559 --> 00:25:42.119
Like, what were they doing?

407
00:25:42.180 --> 00:25:44.039
They were showing him the MRI thing.

408
00:25:44.099 --> 00:25:46.200
Like it's just super boring, isn't it?

409
00:25:46.500 --> 00:25:57.000
Oh, now we're about to have the incredible twist that Daniels, the fella, you know, the slave that brought the breakfast at the start of the episode. we just met.

410
00:25:57.299 --> 00:25:59.400
Oh, I wondered if he'd been in it before.

411
00:25:59.940 --> 00:26:00.359
No.

412
00:26:00.660 --> 00:26:01.440
Oh, God.

413
00:26:01.440 --> 00:26:05.279
Even Michael Jonas was in a few episodes.

414
00:26:06.000 --> 00:26:11.880
Tesco was in a few episodes. that's exactly right They are really are unlearning lessons.

415
00:26:12.299 --> 00:26:14.400
How that is delivered, that twist.

416
00:26:14.940 --> 00:26:17.339
It's extraordinarily mundane.

417
00:26:18.119 --> 00:26:21.240
Like, it's not it's not even like, oh, my God, a member of our crew.

418
00:26:21.900 --> 00:26:23.819
You know, he doesn't know who he appears to be.

419
00:26:23.880 --> 00:26:26.039
Do you remember when Eddington was revealed, you know?

420
00:26:26.279 --> 00:26:28.440
and that amazing standoff with Cisco.

421
00:26:30.539 --> 00:26:31.259
Yeah, yeah.

422
00:26:31.319 --> 00:26:33.119
I mean, it's it's so boring.

423
00:26:33.180 --> 00:26:34.319
It's so low key.

424
00:26:34.380 --> 00:26:35.279
I can't get over it.

425
00:26:36.539 --> 00:26:50.700
So, so what's happened is that John Fleck, that Silic, has stuck his cartoon hand into the warp core and cut a thing, which actually saved the ship and prevented the ship from exploding.

426
00:26:51.420 --> 00:26:53.039
And we don't know why.

427
00:26:53.099 --> 00:26:57.960
Is it because the enterprise is vital in the temporal war in the future or somebody on board?

428
00:26:58.140 --> 00:26:59.400
Because we have literally no idea.

429
00:26:59.880 --> 00:27:02.640
We have no idea why anyone does the thing that they do.

430
00:27:03.599 --> 00:27:07.380
We have no reason to believe Daniels and not Silic.

431
00:27:08.039 --> 00:27:09.180
There's no stakes.

432
00:27:09.240 --> 00:27:15.720
They all explain things to us, but we've got no way of knowing how to feel about it.

433
00:27:15.779 --> 00:27:16.500
Excurities.

434
00:27:16.680 --> 00:27:19.140
It is like an X-Files mythology episode, isn't it?

435
00:27:20.220 --> 00:27:24.119
Except it doesn't have the budget, the style, or the wit of the X-Files.

436
00:27:24.240 --> 00:27:25.079
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

437
00:27:25.140 --> 00:27:29.880
Where the X-Files would have had a hook would have had something interesting or some interesting image.

438
00:27:30.359 --> 00:27:31.740
You know, what has this got?

439
00:27:33.000 --> 00:27:36.059
And we are just in the standing sets this week, aren't we?

440
00:27:36.180 --> 00:27:41.460
In, forgive me, some very cramped standing sets later on in the episodes.

441
00:27:41.759 --> 00:27:42.539
We'll get there.

442
00:27:43.680 --> 00:27:44.519
Oh, yeah.

443
00:27:44.579 --> 00:27:49.920
Yeah, so somebody got in here and disconnected it from the primary feed.

444
00:27:50.339 --> 00:27:52.319
That's this week's guest star.

445
00:27:53.160 --> 00:27:53.579
Yeah.

446
00:27:53.579 --> 00:28:03.059
So I suppose the one thing, the one thing that connects the 2 plots is that John Fleck was hiding amongst them.

447
00:28:03.839 --> 00:28:07.619
It's providing a little crowd to sort of, yeah, yeah, yeah.

448
00:28:07.680 --> 00:28:08.099
That's right.

449
00:28:09.240 --> 00:28:10.440
That's how he gets on board.

450
00:28:10.920 --> 00:28:11.339
Yeah.

451
00:28:11.880 --> 00:28:12.599
But that's it.

452
00:28:12.900 --> 00:28:13.559
That's it.

453
00:28:13.619 --> 00:28:14.039
That's it.

454
00:28:14.579 --> 00:28:16.259
At the end, I thought, my God.

455
00:28:16.319 --> 00:28:22.619
Like someone, this religious crowd, they're going to find a way to solve this thing or something like that.

456
00:28:22.680 --> 00:28:24.480
Yeah, they're just standing there.

457
00:28:24.720 --> 00:28:26.819
No, looking at the...

458
00:28:26.819 --> 00:28:27.480
It never comes together.

459
00:28:27.960 --> 00:28:29.220
I got a lovely nebula.

460
00:28:30.000 --> 00:28:35.220
But it's like they've just completely forgotten how to make television sort of in any way.

461
00:28:35.400 --> 00:28:37.079
Like, it's it's insane.

462
00:28:37.440 --> 00:28:41.759
Like why do the plots not have anything to do with one another?

463
00:28:43.200 --> 00:28:46.680
You know that green man, that sort of fellow who's on the screen there?

464
00:28:47.099 --> 00:28:51.299
God, man, I just want to pick at those bits on his face to see if the flaps come off.

465
00:28:52.259 --> 00:28:54.000
Yeah, it's not good, is it?

466
00:28:54.240 --> 00:28:56.160
I mean, it's okay.

467
00:28:56.579 --> 00:28:57.359
I don't know.

468
00:28:58.440 --> 00:29:00.059
It's another lizard man.

469
00:29:00.240 --> 00:29:00.839
Who was that?

470
00:29:00.900 --> 00:29:02.579
Fabulous woman going down the corridor then.

471
00:29:02.640 --> 00:29:04.380
Did you say she was on a mission?

472
00:29:04.440 --> 00:29:07.259
I don't know what she was up to. has a great wig.

473
00:29:07.380 --> 00:29:15.059
And so now we have, um, uh, uh, Daniel's revealing who he is.

474
00:29:16.559 --> 00:29:20.460
I think it also is an issue that the actor playing Daniel.

475
00:29:20.519 --> 00:29:21.299
Do you have a name?

476
00:29:22.920 --> 00:29:24.720
Yeah, so Matt Winston.

477
00:29:24.779 --> 00:29:28.619
Matt Winston is underplaying everything so much.

478
00:29:28.680 --> 00:29:29.160
Yeah, yeah.

479
00:29:29.160 --> 00:29:32.579
It's like going, well, you know, I'm in a temporal code war.

480
00:29:32.640 --> 00:29:34.140
This is what's happening.

481
00:29:34.200 --> 00:29:38.099
And you know, I think there might be a Sulaban on the ship somewhere. you know, do you want to go find him?

482
00:29:38.160 --> 00:29:38.640
We could.

483
00:29:39.119 --> 00:29:40.259
Yeah, it's all right.

484
00:29:40.259 --> 00:29:47.940
So, I mean, we saw a season 3 episode with him in a, do you remember?

485
00:29:48.000 --> 00:30:04.859
And I just remember that there's like a thing where he brings Archer into the 31st century or the 29th century or something like that, brings him forward in time and shows him what happens if the sphere builders aren't stopped or if the Zindi aren't stopped or whatever.

486
00:30:04.920 --> 00:30:06.119
Was there a war out the window?

487
00:30:06.180 --> 00:30:06.960
that what we saw?

488
00:30:07.140 --> 00:30:07.799
Yeah, yeah.

489
00:30:07.859 --> 00:30:13.740
There was a giant window and we saw like modern spaceships all attacking one another and stuff.

490
00:30:13.799 --> 00:30:14.819
And it was something.

491
00:30:14.880 --> 00:30:15.720
Do you know what I mean?

492
00:30:15.839 --> 00:30:20.400
And he was explaining what the stakes were, and it was something that was clearly very obvious.

493
00:30:20.460 --> 00:30:20.880
Okay?

494
00:30:20.940 --> 00:30:28.799
The sphere builders were going to take over, not just the Delphic expanse, but all of the galaxy or whatever on WaiPad, all the rest of life.

495
00:30:28.799 --> 00:30:30.599
Here, who knows?

496
00:30:30.660 --> 00:30:31.440
Do you know what I mean?

497
00:30:31.500 --> 00:30:33.420
Like who knows what's at stake or what's going on?

498
00:30:34.140 --> 00:30:41.400
I just don't know how we've gone from guest, like regular guest actors like Mark Alamo and Jeffrey Coombs to this guy.

499
00:30:42.539 --> 00:30:44.279
I mean, he's given nothing in this scene.

500
00:30:45.599 --> 00:30:47.819
But I mean, he's okay in other scenes.

501
00:30:47.880 --> 00:30:50.339
Like he, you know, he's he's a thing.

502
00:30:51.240 --> 00:30:52.380
I cannot remember.

503
00:30:52.500 --> 00:30:54.960
I mean, yeah, I remember that scene because there was a big battle.

504
00:30:55.019 --> 00:30:59.579
I don't remember that scene because Daniels is doing something particularly staggering in it.

505
00:30:59.700 --> 00:31:05.160
I mean, the start of this scene when he came in and he's going, oh God, my roommate is so messy.

506
00:31:05.339 --> 00:31:06.420
Let me tidy up.

507
00:31:06.480 --> 00:31:07.440
I like, why are you tidying up?

508
00:31:07.500 --> 00:31:10.259
You're about to tell him all about the temporal fucking cold war.

509
00:31:11.099 --> 00:31:13.380
Now this gets on.

510
00:31:14.339 --> 00:31:15.539
I think this gets some points.

511
00:31:15.779 --> 00:31:18.599
I mean, it's very lawnmower, man, but I points for it.

512
00:31:18.660 --> 00:31:20.400
It is very, it is very lawnmower, man.

513
00:31:20.460 --> 00:31:25.500
But I'm also thinking of those diagrams that Kurtwood Smith looks at in the year of hell.

514
00:31:25.559 --> 00:31:26.279
Do you remember that?

515
00:31:26.700 --> 00:31:27.720
Is it the year of hell?

516
00:31:27.839 --> 00:31:28.259
Yeah.

517
00:31:28.259 --> 00:31:28.619
Yeah.

518
00:31:28.680 --> 00:31:35.579
Yeah, those time diagrams with all of those different, you know, timelines and things and that's what we're seeing here.

519
00:31:36.720 --> 00:31:39.000
This is us convincing.

520
00:31:39.059 --> 00:31:48.539
This is how we know that he really is from the 31st century or whatever, because he has this special effect.

521
00:31:48.599 --> 00:31:55.500
And this special effect looks great and it looks like the sort of thing that we haven't been able to do or haven't chosen to do in Star Trek before.

522
00:31:55.859 --> 00:31:59.519
I mean, it's the sort of thing we see, you know, ad nauseam these days.

523
00:31:59.579 --> 00:32:01.140
This is the console these days.

524
00:32:01.740 --> 00:32:03.000
Yeah, yeah, yeah. as well.

525
00:32:03.059 --> 00:32:06.960
I think this is a great visual metaphor for the temporal Cold War.

526
00:32:07.200 --> 00:32:14.279
A load of obscure swirly lines and things just flying about, the kind of mean, absolutely nothing.

527
00:32:15.180 --> 00:32:15.900
Yeah, yeah.

528
00:32:17.880 --> 00:32:19.380
At least it's visually interesting.

529
00:32:19.920 --> 00:32:20.880
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

530
00:32:20.940 --> 00:32:24.539
No, I'm always complaining about 90s trek being boring looking.

531
00:32:24.660 --> 00:32:25.440
Do you know what I mean?

532
00:32:25.500 --> 00:32:27.299
That's a pretty great looking scene.

533
00:32:27.779 --> 00:32:31.140
I mean I appreciate that they've got the effects in front of them and behind them.

534
00:32:31.559 --> 00:32:33.359
So they're trying to give it depth as well.

535
00:32:33.779 --> 00:32:34.200
Yeah.

536
00:32:34.680 --> 00:32:36.240
But it doesn't mean anything.

537
00:32:37.259 --> 00:32:37.680
No.

538
00:32:38.160 --> 00:32:40.380
But it is pretty and that's something.

539
00:32:40.500 --> 00:32:44.160
That is a legitimate goal for the show to happen.

540
00:32:44.279 --> 00:32:46.740
That is the lowest based TV you should go for, though.

541
00:32:47.039 --> 00:32:48.119
At least it's pretty.

542
00:32:49.019 --> 00:33:01.079
Yeah, yeah. at least it's visual. at least they've remembered that we don't want to watch people in Navy cover all standing in front of dark gray walls for 45 minutes or maybe we do.

543
00:33:01.740 --> 00:33:06.299
I hate to tell you this, but that was your 32nd treat, visually, for this episode.

544
00:33:06.720 --> 00:33:08.940
You're now stuck in the gray sets for the rest of it.

545
00:33:09.119 --> 00:33:11.099
We spent all the money on those 30 seconds.

546
00:33:11.819 --> 00:33:13.619
There is one other good special effect.

547
00:33:13.619 --> 00:33:16.920
Or one...

548
00:33:16.980 --> 00:33:17.819
Are you talking about the nebula?

549
00:33:17.940 --> 00:33:19.799
You know, the nebula is super boring we've seen.

550
00:33:20.579 --> 00:33:21.240
Do you know what?

551
00:33:21.299 --> 00:33:25.500
It is like Strange New Worlds because, you know, like how you say, we're going down on a planet.

552
00:33:25.559 --> 00:33:28.019
Why God, you know, that's not...

553
00:33:28.019 --> 00:33:28.859
We've done that.

554
00:33:28.920 --> 00:33:31.380
Yes, but it ain't the 1st time we've done that as viewers.

555
00:33:31.559 --> 00:33:32.339
Get on with it.

556
00:33:32.880 --> 00:33:37.619
Well, in this, it's like, oh, my God, a nebula and everyone's all looking in absolute.

557
00:33:37.680 --> 00:33:41.099
Yes, voyager past a nebula every week. get it.

558
00:33:45.119 --> 00:33:49.140
Did they expect the sort of standard Star Trek viewers to just not watch this?

559
00:33:50.279 --> 00:33:51.059
I don't know.

560
00:33:51.180 --> 00:33:56.039
I think that they were very definitely trying to get new people in by doing something new.

561
00:33:57.420 --> 00:34:03.059
Um but what the new thing that they do is make it boringer than it was before.

562
00:34:03.539 --> 00:34:09.059
I mean, there are ways of reintroducing old ideas, but doing them in a really fascinating way.

563
00:34:10.320 --> 00:34:11.039
Yeah, yeah.

564
00:34:11.099 --> 00:34:20.099
I mean, you know, like the thing is that the episodes that people remember are not this, you know, they're not this, they're the weird high concept ones.

565
00:34:20.219 --> 00:34:29.820
We get a mention of unexpected where Tripp talks about being in a holodeck, uh, um, in unexpected.

566
00:34:29.880 --> 00:34:33.780
Do you remember where he said he thought he was on a boat in the sea?

567
00:34:33.840 --> 00:34:36.179
And so, you know, there is this sort of thing.

568
00:34:36.239 --> 00:34:42.179
This show, that's the one thing that we get earlier on is that they've been travelling now for 5 months.

569
00:34:42.239 --> 00:34:45.420
They've been travelling, you know, away from Earth.

570
00:34:45.480 --> 00:34:47.820
This is all one continuity.

571
00:34:47.880 --> 00:34:52.199
We can remember things that happen to us in previous episodes, which is kind of cool, I think.

572
00:34:52.739 --> 00:34:56.460
Um, Uh, I don't know.

573
00:34:56.519 --> 00:34:57.179
I don't know.

574
00:34:57.420 --> 00:35:00.780
But that's a more memorable episode than this, because it's high concept.

575
00:35:01.079 --> 00:35:03.059
Like Cosmetrek came in, right?

576
00:35:03.119 --> 00:35:08.639
And I had the job of reintroducing to a whole new generation because Star Trek had been off for some time.

577
00:35:09.300 --> 00:35:19.500
Yeah, all the core concepts of Star Trek and it did it with massive visual interest with, I mean, quiet, controversial storytelling choices and all of that.

578
00:35:19.559 --> 00:35:23.940
He didn't just present the same things we've seen before again, but more boring.

579
00:35:24.599 --> 00:35:25.860
Yeah, yeah, that's right.

580
00:35:25.980 --> 00:35:28.320
Dumber so that they wouldn't put people off.

581
00:35:30.179 --> 00:35:32.340
I 1st Star Trek's very complicated.

582
00:35:32.519 --> 00:35:33.960
They watch Strange New Worlds.

583
00:35:34.199 --> 00:35:35.880
Actually, it's quite stupid, you know?

584
00:35:39.539 --> 00:35:41.760
I think I could watch this with my dinner, you know.

585
00:35:42.840 --> 00:35:43.619
Good God.

586
00:35:44.760 --> 00:35:45.719
What's happening now?

587
00:35:45.780 --> 00:35:58.619
I've totally lost Yeah, I've kind of lost track as well, but we know about Daniel's Hoshi's getting a line, which is kind of nice, and I think we saw a glimpse of Travis. although I don't think he gets another line.

588
00:35:58.860 --> 00:36:00.599
Oh, doesn't Cholo?

589
00:36:00.599 --> 00:36:03.239
I look just pissed off throughout this whole episode.

590
00:36:03.900 --> 00:36:05.340
Well, throughout this whole season.

591
00:36:05.639 --> 00:36:11.760
Don't forget, this is still when she's adding you fucking idiot to the end of every line that shouted.

592
00:36:12.239 --> 00:36:17.639
There's no point where the camera's on her in this episode that I don't think she's thinking, what a load of cumps.

593
00:36:20.639 --> 00:36:22.260
She's got like the resting bit.

594
00:36:22.320 --> 00:36:23.280
Look at her, they look.

595
00:36:25.019 --> 00:36:26.579
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.

596
00:36:28.320 --> 00:36:31.019
She's like, do you know how boring this is?

597
00:36:31.079 --> 00:36:31.800
All of this.

598
00:36:33.360 --> 00:36:35.519
Wake me up when we get to series 4.

599
00:36:38.400 --> 00:36:40.619
So this is the other thing too.

600
00:36:40.800 --> 00:36:45.179
We discover in this episode that the Vulcans don't believe in time travel.

601
00:36:47.400 --> 00:36:48.179
Is that right?

602
00:36:48.900 --> 00:36:50.039
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

603
00:36:50.099 --> 00:36:53.820
Does that contradict previously established continuity?

604
00:36:55.079 --> 00:36:57.659
No, because it's 2151 or whatever.

605
00:36:57.719 --> 00:37:05.820
So they don't at this time believe in time travel, but later on they will discover it's real, like all of the rest of us.

606
00:37:07.199 --> 00:37:13.559
But here, the Falcon Science director, doesn't believe in time travel, and so she doesn't believe that Daniel's sister in the future.

607
00:37:14.159 --> 00:37:24.119
Was they not looking about when the ball could travel back in time to sort of 1st contact and go, oh my god, look at that technology that none of us recognise from the future?

608
00:37:25.079 --> 00:37:26.400
Yeah, they didn't notice that.

609
00:37:30.119 --> 00:37:32.099
Enormous bubble in the sky. you see it?

610
00:37:32.940 --> 00:37:33.960
No, they didn't say it.

611
00:37:34.860 --> 00:37:36.300
They were looking out another window.

612
00:37:37.980 --> 00:37:39.480
Oh, boy, 0 boy.

613
00:37:40.019 --> 00:37:41.639
Okay, what's happening, Nathan?

614
00:37:43.260 --> 00:37:43.860
I'm lost.

615
00:37:44.099 --> 00:37:44.699
Oh, no.

616
00:37:44.699 --> 00:37:54.719
So now Archer's looking for John Flack and he's talking to Flocks and that's really it.

617
00:37:54.960 --> 00:37:55.800
That's it.

618
00:37:55.920 --> 00:38:00.659
Oh, so like, now, this was the bits where I was thinking of the adversary.

619
00:38:00.719 --> 00:38:13.079
You remember when they were looking for the changeling and everyone's sweating and they're all down the tubes and the music's gearing up because Jay's in the hot seat and they're all pointing guns at each other because it could be anyone.

620
00:38:14.280 --> 00:38:15.300
What the hell is this?

621
00:38:16.079 --> 00:38:17.460
Yeah, I don't even know.

622
00:38:17.460 --> 00:38:18.360
See in that crowd over there?

623
00:38:18.480 --> 00:38:19.380
Oh, I don't know.

624
00:38:19.500 --> 00:38:22.139
Camera lingers on crowd for a second. stand around.

625
00:38:23.039 --> 00:38:25.079
Oh, how many were left on the other place?

626
00:38:25.199 --> 00:38:26.159
Oh, 6 of them.

627
00:38:26.219 --> 00:38:27.539
Oh, it could be part of that crowd.

628
00:38:28.320 --> 00:38:29.280
Oh my God.

629
00:38:29.519 --> 00:38:30.420
Oh my goodness.

630
00:38:31.139 --> 00:38:43.260
So, and now and now we have Daniel's taking control and all of the backstory that we didn't hear him give in previous episodes that he wasn't in.

631
00:38:44.039 --> 00:38:44.940
We getting that now.

632
00:38:45.300 --> 00:38:48.119
Like we've had all of these dull episodes between then and now.

633
00:38:48.300 --> 00:38:51.659
I mean, he could have just had a scene in each one, couldn't he, to prepare for this?

634
00:38:52.559 --> 00:38:55.139
Yeah, but again, I think that they don't want to do that.

635
00:38:55.199 --> 00:39:01.079
I think that they very definitely want to pair this back and not have those running things because they know about them.

636
00:39:01.440 --> 00:39:04.800
They've done them in the last... series 3, didn't they?

637
00:39:04.860 --> 00:39:06.659
When they when fully off-based.

638
00:39:07.139 --> 00:39:08.039
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

639
00:39:08.099 --> 00:39:08.400
Yeah.

640
00:39:08.760 --> 00:39:09.119
Yeah.

641
00:39:09.300 --> 00:39:11.519
Well, no, because because clearly this wasn't working.

642
00:39:11.579 --> 00:39:14.579
So they just went in the extreme other direction.

643
00:39:14.579 --> 00:39:18.119
And that didn't quite work either, but it was better.

644
00:39:18.480 --> 00:39:23.039
And then in four, I think that's when they kind of got the balance right.

645
00:39:23.039 --> 00:39:27.360
And brought in Manicoto, who's got an idea, you know.

646
00:39:27.480 --> 00:39:28.139
Yeah, exactly right.

647
00:39:29.340 --> 00:39:31.800
Burman and Braga do not have an idea at this stage.

648
00:39:32.400 --> 00:39:33.719
No, no, no.

649
00:39:34.440 --> 00:39:35.460
And fair enough, right?

650
00:39:35.519 --> 00:39:38.400
They have dumb 11 odd seasons or whatever.

651
00:39:38.400 --> 00:39:39.179
11?

652
00:39:39.360 --> 00:39:40.440
Sorry, that's too low.

653
00:39:40.559 --> 00:39:42.059
They've done a lot of seasons of this.

654
00:39:42.420 --> 00:39:47.820
And they've gone through every kind of arc based and idea of the week that you can.

655
00:39:48.420 --> 00:39:53.340
I just don't understand why a new team didn't come in and yeah, I think that's the problem.

656
00:39:53.400 --> 00:39:59.219
They're just exhausted, you know, and they have what they think is an idea, but it ends up being not a very interesting idea.

657
00:40:00.179 --> 00:40:04.079
Yeah, and we know there was a lot of studio interference.

658
00:40:04.440 --> 00:40:06.960
You know, they wanted that 1st series to be all on earth.

659
00:40:07.019 --> 00:40:10.619
I know that would have been kind of shit, but it's not what we got, right?

660
00:40:10.679 --> 00:40:13.380
So they're not able to present what they wanted to.

661
00:40:14.639 --> 00:40:16.139
Oh, God, this bit was a dog.

662
00:40:16.559 --> 00:40:21.000
The only way he knows that Sulaaban is in his quarters. because the dog is woofing.

663
00:40:21.719 --> 00:40:22.920
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

664
00:40:23.159 --> 00:40:30.840
Well, so I got a bit distracted watching this because all of my dogs lost their shit at the side of another dog on the television, particularly.

665
00:40:30.840 --> 00:40:32.940
Particularly.

666
00:40:34.739 --> 00:40:36.300
Coco really likes cheese.

667
00:40:37.320 --> 00:40:40.079
I just didn't think that was the sort of staple of a dog's diet.

668
00:40:40.800 --> 00:40:50.219
No, Calvin sometimes feeds Cocoa cheese and Cocoa, like I think, will come running if he thinks he can smell cheese.

669
00:40:50.940 --> 00:40:54.059
I mean, even that, the way he emerged from the wall.

670
00:40:54.119 --> 00:40:56.460
It was so boring.

671
00:40:56.699 --> 00:40:57.119
Yeah.

672
00:40:57.119 --> 00:40:59.699
And so he calls him John.

673
00:40:59.760 --> 00:41:01.920
I don't know if he does that in Broken Bow.

674
00:41:02.340 --> 00:41:04.019
No one calls him John.

675
00:41:04.079 --> 00:41:06.000
Like, everyone calls it Jonas.

676
00:41:06.059 --> 00:41:07.079
I was so distracted by it.

677
00:41:07.139 --> 00:41:11.699
I was like, is that supposed to be a threat, the way they're, you know, jammed?

678
00:41:11.940 --> 00:41:14.400
You know, but he just goes, you know what, John?

679
00:41:14.639 --> 00:41:15.599
Like, what do we do?

680
00:41:16.019 --> 00:41:18.480
Well, it's like I was watching the fucking wounds or something.

681
00:41:20.760 --> 00:41:21.599
Good night, John.

682
00:41:24.300 --> 00:41:24.960
So weird.

683
00:41:25.019 --> 00:41:32.099
And because we know Flick can be camp because he was fabulously camping as Aberdom in Alice.

684
00:41:32.579 --> 00:41:35.099
I mean, he was wearing furs and everything.

685
00:41:35.159 --> 00:41:36.119
He was so funny.

686
00:41:37.559 --> 00:41:39.300
I don't know why we've forgotten this.

687
00:41:39.300 --> 00:41:42.900
The cab villains are really fun to watch.

688
00:41:43.860 --> 00:41:45.360
He can't ham this up, can he?

689
00:41:45.420 --> 00:41:46.440
He can't ham it up.

690
00:41:47.519 --> 00:41:50.039
I think he's really menacing in the mind's eye.

691
00:41:50.099 --> 00:41:52.800
Like I think he's really properly menacing in that.

692
00:41:53.039 --> 00:41:53.940
He's really good.

693
00:41:54.300 --> 00:41:56.159
No, but you know, look, look at these lines.

694
00:41:56.219 --> 00:41:57.599
I was sent to prevent it.

695
00:41:57.900 --> 00:42:01.139
You know, you can really have fun with these lines if he wanted to.

696
00:42:01.500 --> 00:42:03.539
You know, imagine Jeffrey Coombs saying these lines.

697
00:42:03.900 --> 00:42:04.860
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

698
00:42:04.920 --> 00:42:06.239
He should really have been.

699
00:42:06.360 --> 00:42:07.920
But again, I just don't think they want that.

700
00:42:08.159 --> 00:42:09.599
And it's a...

701
00:42:09.599 --> 00:42:11.340
We've strip back the women.

702
00:42:11.460 --> 00:42:13.019
We're straight back the games.

703
00:42:13.559 --> 00:42:15.000
It needs to be less gay.

704
00:42:15.420 --> 00:42:17.340
We've taken out the intelligence.

705
00:42:17.940 --> 00:42:18.960
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

706
00:42:20.159 --> 00:42:23.699
It needs to be something that everyone can enjoy and buy everyone.

707
00:42:24.119 --> 00:42:25.500
We mostly mean dumb people.

708
00:42:25.800 --> 00:42:26.639
No, for me.

709
00:42:26.699 --> 00:42:26.940
Yes.

710
00:42:29.280 --> 00:42:32.340
I mean, I don't even think dumb people would be challenged by this, you know.

711
00:42:32.760 --> 00:42:34.260
No, no, no, I guess not.

712
00:42:34.559 --> 00:42:35.340
Oh, well, there you go.

713
00:42:35.400 --> 00:42:37.320
There was a little shot of the...

714
00:42:37.380 --> 00:42:38.400
Nebula out the window there?

715
00:42:38.880 --> 00:42:40.079
Yeah, that's kind of cool.

716
00:42:40.380 --> 00:42:41.039
That looks okay.

717
00:42:41.880 --> 00:42:43.019
Like, what's happening here?

718
00:42:43.320 --> 00:42:45.480
There's no tension. don't know.

719
00:42:47.219 --> 00:42:49.079
No. and there's no relationship.

720
00:42:49.139 --> 00:42:49.920
So why do we care?

721
00:42:50.760 --> 00:42:51.599
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

722
00:42:51.659 --> 00:42:56.880
And then she mentions Daniels and he doesn't properly react.

723
00:42:57.659 --> 00:42:58.559
Do you know what I mean?

724
00:42:58.619 --> 00:43:05.579
Is that her accidentally giving away that there's someone on board who knows what's going on, who's advising them?

725
00:43:07.320 --> 00:43:11.400
I mean, that was the worst fall by a dog ball I've ever seen.

726
00:43:11.940 --> 00:43:12.840
It's excellent.

727
00:43:12.900 --> 00:43:13.860
That's...

728
00:43:13.860 --> 00:43:15.360
And then that's all gone so...

729
00:43:15.360 --> 00:43:16.380
That's licking his face.

730
00:43:16.739 --> 00:43:19.380
That's how that's how tedious this is.

731
00:43:20.699 --> 00:43:23.460
Can someone send in the dog because that stunt was terrible.

732
00:43:24.780 --> 00:43:25.440
That's it.

733
00:43:25.739 --> 00:43:29.760
So they had to tie a pork chop around his neck so that the dog would play with him.

734
00:43:30.539 --> 00:43:42.539
I can't help but notice that the um, the people of colour in this scene are all wearing different clothes, so we're doing sort of um, sort of fashion segregation here, but also, they don't have a mind.

735
00:43:42.900 --> 00:43:45.239
They don't have a fucking line, any of them.

736
00:43:46.380 --> 00:43:47.639
No, there's just one guy.

737
00:43:47.820 --> 00:43:55.739
There may be 2 guys who have, but this guy, this talking guy who's called Prom and Toose, which for God's sake.

738
00:43:56.340 --> 00:44:03.780
There's an Asian guy, though, as well, isn't there, in the makeup I just saw. okay We'll give them that.

739
00:44:03.960 --> 00:44:06.900
Yeah, I just was like, I don't understand.

740
00:44:06.960 --> 00:44:11.460
What has this got to do with the exciting Sullaban Hunt watching this Nebra.

741
00:44:12.599 --> 00:44:16.679
Yeah, they're all standing looking out the window and saying space language to each other.

742
00:44:18.539 --> 00:44:19.320
Oh, God.

743
00:44:19.380 --> 00:44:20.519
They were going, do you know what?

744
00:44:20.579 --> 00:44:23.519
We'll do that again in a night and sick, baby, but we'll have archer do it.

745
00:44:23.699 --> 00:44:24.239
All right?

746
00:44:24.719 --> 00:44:25.739
Do you remember the end of that?

747
00:44:26.400 --> 00:44:27.599
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

748
00:44:27.719 --> 00:44:29.760
Wasn't he having to hit himself or something?

749
00:44:29.760 --> 00:44:31.440
I can't remember.

750
00:44:32.400 --> 00:44:34.739
He had to do the apology dance, didn't he, or something?

751
00:44:34.800 --> 00:44:36.360
I can't...

752
00:44:36.420 --> 00:44:38.519
I mean, watching him humiliate himself was great film.

753
00:44:38.699 --> 00:44:39.539
It was pretty good.

754
00:44:39.900 --> 00:44:40.679
Yeah, yeah.

755
00:44:41.099 --> 00:44:41.940
It's a great episode.

756
00:44:44.039 --> 00:44:48.420
The special effect isn't there yet, of him sort of emerging from things.

757
00:44:48.599 --> 00:44:53.400
Because I swear when I watched, what's the one where they run through the walls on TNG?

758
00:44:54.179 --> 00:44:55.800
Uh, the next thing?

759
00:44:55.920 --> 00:44:56.639
Yeah, that's great.

760
00:44:57.059 --> 00:44:58.980
And this really sort of tightly directed.

761
00:44:59.039 --> 00:45:01.739
So they go, boom, boom, boom, boom, through each word, you know?

762
00:45:02.340 --> 00:45:04.019
We're talking over Daniel's exploding.

763
00:45:04.800 --> 00:45:05.519
He'll be back.

764
00:45:05.579 --> 00:45:06.059
Don't worry.

765
00:45:06.119 --> 00:45:07.739
It's a temple, Cold War.

766
00:45:07.800 --> 00:45:08.519
It's in the title.

767
00:45:09.239 --> 00:45:10.260
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

768
00:45:10.800 --> 00:45:11.699
I foresee your time.

769
00:45:11.760 --> 00:45:13.199
I'm going to go, Cassandra now.

770
00:45:13.320 --> 00:45:14.519
I foresee a time.

771
00:45:14.940 --> 00:45:22.619
At the end of a season where Archer and Daniels will be standing on a blasted landscape that means absolutely nothing.

772
00:45:24.000 --> 00:45:25.260
At the end of season one.

773
00:45:26.219 --> 00:45:26.820
Excellent.

774
00:45:26.880 --> 00:45:27.179
Yeah.

775
00:45:27.420 --> 00:45:27.840
Yeah.

776
00:45:29.400 --> 00:45:32.159
I don't think that ever does end up being anything does it?

777
00:45:32.460 --> 00:45:33.119
Do you remember?

778
00:45:33.179 --> 00:45:36.239
It was like a nuclear holocaust on a planet, but I don't know why.

779
00:45:36.300 --> 00:45:39.599
I got no idea what that is. don't think I've ever seen that finale.

780
00:45:39.659 --> 00:45:40.800
Is it a two-parter?

781
00:45:40.860 --> 00:45:41.639
I can't even remember.

782
00:45:41.940 --> 00:45:45.179
It is a problem, you know, that I don't really retain a lot of enterprise.

783
00:45:48.179 --> 00:45:49.860
Well, I still haven't watched it all.

784
00:45:49.920 --> 00:45:51.239
It's the one that I haven't watched all of.

785
00:45:51.300 --> 00:45:53.340
I haven't watched all of TOS either, to be honest.

786
00:45:53.460 --> 00:45:54.119
You hate me.

787
00:45:54.179 --> 00:45:55.139
But come on, don't write it.

788
00:45:55.320 --> 00:45:57.179
The TOSs that we've watched.

789
00:45:57.420 --> 00:45:59.760
That being great. except for the terrible ones.

790
00:46:00.239 --> 00:46:01.860
Even though Scotty is a murderer.

791
00:46:02.820 --> 00:46:03.539
We remember that one.

792
00:46:03.780 --> 00:46:04.380
That's right.

793
00:46:04.380 --> 00:46:05.579
Oh my god.

794
00:46:06.300 --> 00:46:07.440
The foggy streets.

795
00:46:07.500 --> 00:46:08.219
Don't you remember?

796
00:46:08.579 --> 00:46:10.079
Oh my god, that was so bad.

797
00:46:10.679 --> 00:46:15.000
Oh, that dreadful episode where Uhura had to relearn her language.

798
00:46:15.239 --> 00:46:16.800
Oh, embarrassing.

799
00:46:17.039 --> 00:46:18.059
So dreadful.

800
00:46:18.780 --> 00:46:20.579
I will never forget Spock's brain.

801
00:46:20.820 --> 00:46:22.139
Whereas I can't imagine.

802
00:46:22.199 --> 00:46:22.980
What's this called again?

803
00:46:23.099 --> 00:46:24.480
I can't even remember the time.

804
00:46:25.139 --> 00:46:25.860
Cold front.

805
00:46:25.920 --> 00:46:26.940
It's a park.

806
00:46:27.119 --> 00:46:28.139
It's a pun.

807
00:46:28.199 --> 00:46:33.539
Because Cold Front is a weather thing, but it's also a front in the Cold War.

808
00:46:34.139 --> 00:46:35.760
Thank you for explaining that. me.

809
00:46:35.820 --> 00:46:37.019
Yeah, it's pretty good.

810
00:46:37.380 --> 00:46:38.219
It's a pun.

811
00:46:40.320 --> 00:46:42.780
Oh, I've seen that.

812
00:46:42.840 --> 00:46:44.340
We'll always have Tom Paris.

813
00:46:45.000 --> 00:46:46.739
I know, that's one of the best ones ever.

814
00:46:48.719 --> 00:46:51.179
Do you think we could find him using the sensors?

815
00:46:51.239 --> 00:46:53.820
Oh, is this the end of where they all just go out of a room?

816
00:46:54.000 --> 00:46:54.900
It's so funny.

817
00:46:55.800 --> 00:46:56.400
Wait for it.

818
00:46:56.460 --> 00:46:56.940
Wait for it.

819
00:46:57.179 --> 00:46:58.199
Go to engineering.

820
00:46:58.199 --> 00:46:59.519
Two, three, four.

821
00:46:59.639 --> 00:47:00.420
Oh, no, no.

822
00:47:01.139 --> 00:47:02.519
They're going out, they're going out.

823
00:47:02.880 --> 00:47:03.719
There is 2 though.

824
00:47:03.780 --> 00:47:05.400
There is 2 into the ads.

825
00:47:06.119 --> 00:47:07.019
They just leave a room.

826
00:47:08.340 --> 00:47:13.980
I still think last time in outrageous O'Connor, which I'm remembering now with considerable fondness.

827
00:47:15.360 --> 00:47:22.199
There is an ad break, which has them saying, well, fortunately, they don't have lasers, so they can't do us any harm.

828
00:47:22.739 --> 00:47:23.519
And then that was it.

829
00:47:23.940 --> 00:47:24.900
Actually, okay.

830
00:47:24.960 --> 00:47:27.239
I'm glad you brought up the outrageous O'Connor.

831
00:47:27.300 --> 00:47:29.340
Because like, that's a good comparison.

832
00:47:29.400 --> 00:47:30.780
The guest actors in that, right?

833
00:47:30.960 --> 00:47:32.039
absolutely shocking.

834
00:47:32.280 --> 00:47:35.579
The kid that's trying to sort of grapple his dad on the viewscreen.

835
00:47:35.880 --> 00:47:38.820
But we'll never forget them. will we?

836
00:47:39.659 --> 00:47:43.559
Do you think you'll remember this religious bunch from this episode never again?

837
00:47:44.699 --> 00:47:46.619
Well, because we had the other religious bunch.

838
00:47:46.679 --> 00:47:47.940
Remember the other religious bunch?

839
00:47:48.659 --> 00:47:49.440
took over the ship?

840
00:47:49.619 --> 00:47:50.940
They were terrorists, weren't they?

841
00:47:51.059 --> 00:47:52.199
Was someone a chair?

842
00:47:52.739 --> 00:47:53.639
I can't remember that.

843
00:47:53.699 --> 00:47:54.719
I think it's called...

844
00:47:54.719 --> 00:47:56.280
I can't remember.

845
00:47:57.119 --> 00:47:58.860
It's something about...

846
00:47:58.860 --> 00:48:00.599
This whole episode is us just going.

847
00:48:01.380 --> 00:48:02.219
I can't remember.

848
00:48:03.719 --> 00:48:08.760
Something realm, favoured realm, fantastic realm, something.

849
00:48:08.820 --> 00:48:12.179
The thing you guys need to know is Nathan has the brain size of a planet.

850
00:48:12.239 --> 00:48:13.739
He has much memory space.

851
00:48:13.920 --> 00:48:19.980
However, it doesn't have enough to keep Enterprise in there. no No.

852
00:48:20.579 --> 00:48:21.239
All right.

853
00:48:21.300 --> 00:48:27.480
Now, oh, look, here's John Fleck cartooning himself into the bulkhead there.

854
00:48:29.099 --> 00:48:31.800
Tell Malcolm to meet me with his security team.

855
00:48:32.039 --> 00:48:32.820
Yeah, okay.

856
00:48:32.880 --> 00:48:36.300
This is really... something to give you a leg out.

857
00:48:36.719 --> 00:48:38.820
Oh, I think we're heading towards the big fight though.

858
00:48:39.059 --> 00:48:39.900
Oh, you think?

859
00:48:41.340 --> 00:48:43.199
In this very, very confined space.

860
00:48:43.619 --> 00:48:46.079
Well, it seems to be, isn't it?

861
00:48:46.679 --> 00:48:47.099
Yeah.

862
00:48:47.760 --> 00:48:52.619
I think this is a slightly longer episode than we normally get too, which is a shame.

863
00:48:53.039 --> 00:48:53.760
They are.

864
00:48:53.760 --> 00:48:54.719
It's really boring.

865
00:48:56.940 --> 00:49:00.539
Oh, yeah, look. 37 minutes, so we've still got 7 minutes to go.

866
00:49:00.900 --> 00:49:01.559
Yeah, yeah.

867
00:49:01.619 --> 00:49:02.340
Just going forever.

868
00:49:02.579 --> 00:49:05.820
Are you telling me they've got to wrap up all of this in 7 minutes?

869
00:49:06.599 --> 00:49:07.260
Can they?

870
00:49:07.500 --> 00:49:09.960
There's so much happening I don't know.

871
00:49:12.179 --> 00:49:13.739
Come on, go through the bulkhead.

872
00:49:13.860 --> 00:49:20.460
Go on I mean, at least if you're going to do this right, this is sort of the mid-season arc reminder.

873
00:49:20.460 --> 00:49:25.019
Give us a crumb of something to go on with, right?

874
00:49:25.199 --> 00:49:26.639
Or a promise of something.

875
00:49:27.840 --> 00:49:28.739
Have a threat.

876
00:49:28.800 --> 00:49:30.599
You know, like have something exciting happen.

877
00:49:30.719 --> 00:49:53.219
So this is the thing where the stunt coordinator in the memory alpha article, the 1st thing that gets mentioned is background is the stunt coordinator complaining at how tiny this set is to fit, you know, these 2 guys and a cameraman, and to try and have some action happening in this dreadful set, which does seem to be made up out of milk.

878
00:49:53.400 --> 00:49:54.239
Milk crazy.

879
00:49:54.300 --> 00:49:55.079
It is, isn't it?

880
00:49:55.380 --> 00:49:56.280
Yeah, milk crates.

881
00:49:56.820 --> 00:49:57.780
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

882
00:49:58.139 --> 00:49:58.860
Wowsers.

883
00:49:58.920 --> 00:50:00.780
I mean, maybe we've spent all the money now.

884
00:50:00.840 --> 00:50:04.860
We're sort of stuck. on John Flex's contact lenses.

885
00:50:04.920 --> 00:50:05.940
I just watched this fire.

886
00:50:06.420 --> 00:50:07.019
Bless him.

887
00:50:07.079 --> 00:50:07.980
He grabs his leg.

888
00:50:08.039 --> 00:50:09.000
He falls over.

889
00:50:11.280 --> 00:50:12.239
Shake the camera.

890
00:50:12.360 --> 00:50:13.199
Oh my goodness.

891
00:50:13.559 --> 00:50:15.119
He drops on top of him.

892
00:50:15.119 --> 00:50:16.199
And then he's gone.

893
00:50:16.260 --> 00:50:16.860
That was it.

894
00:50:16.980 --> 00:50:17.940
I know, there he is.

895
00:50:18.179 --> 00:50:20.280
Oh, he must have gone invisible for a second.

896
00:50:21.179 --> 00:50:24.599
They're grappling around now, throwing each other against the walls.

897
00:50:25.440 --> 00:50:26.280
Are they going to kiss?

898
00:50:26.820 --> 00:50:27.480
I don't know.

899
00:50:27.539 --> 00:50:30.179
I think I just saw John Flex penis, though, imprint on that costume.

900
00:50:30.420 --> 00:50:31.139
Yeah.

901
00:50:31.139 --> 00:50:32.579
Just for a 2nd.

902
00:50:32.880 --> 00:50:33.960
Just for us.

903
00:50:34.019 --> 00:50:35.039
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

904
00:50:35.099 --> 00:50:35.760
There we go.

905
00:50:35.820 --> 00:50:37.019
Oh, look, here's Travis.

906
00:50:37.079 --> 00:50:38.280
He's so pretty, isn't he?

907
00:50:39.239 --> 00:50:40.019
He is pretty.

908
00:50:40.079 --> 00:50:42.900
He's wasted here in this show.

909
00:50:43.139 --> 00:50:45.239
I would have made him the star of this, you know.

910
00:50:45.300 --> 00:50:46.199
I know she.

911
00:50:46.619 --> 00:50:49.440
I mean, do you remember Evil Hoshi from the alternative universe?

912
00:50:49.500 --> 00:50:50.579
I know, I know.

913
00:50:50.579 --> 00:50:54.480
I would have had her gone bad in series one and been the villain of the show.

914
00:50:55.320 --> 00:50:56.400
That would have been awesome.

915
00:50:57.360 --> 00:50:57.900
All right.

916
00:50:58.679 --> 00:50:59.880
Oh, what's happening now?

917
00:50:59.940 --> 00:51:02.820
Are we going to shoot silly, are we?

918
00:51:03.119 --> 00:51:05.280
You're going to kill me after I saved your life.

919
00:51:05.760 --> 00:51:06.840
Captain Archer?

920
00:51:06.900 --> 00:51:07.559
did he save his life?

921
00:51:08.219 --> 00:51:08.820
don't know.

922
00:51:08.940 --> 00:51:09.599
We don't know.

923
00:51:09.659 --> 00:51:10.019
No.

924
00:51:10.019 --> 00:51:18.780
At least you could say, you know, this ship will be vital in the climax of the temporal war and that...

925
00:51:18.840 --> 00:51:19.980
Pin it down to anything.

926
00:51:20.639 --> 00:51:23.880
Robert Duncan McNeil was trying to do some handheld camera work now.

927
00:51:24.119 --> 00:51:25.860
Yeah, but it's glacial.

928
00:51:25.980 --> 00:51:26.519
Bless him.

929
00:51:27.840 --> 00:51:33.960
Yeah, but again, you know, when you're hunting someone through the corridors.

930
00:51:34.019 --> 00:51:36.179
Now, I'm not a TV director, right?

931
00:51:36.239 --> 00:51:38.699
I'm just an asshole who teaches Latin.

932
00:51:38.940 --> 00:51:47.219
But if you're, if you're trying to, to give, like don't make the person small in the frame.

933
00:51:47.579 --> 00:51:48.480
Do you know what I mean?

934
00:51:48.539 --> 00:51:50.820
If you're supposed to be thinking about how they're feeling.

935
00:51:51.000 --> 00:51:53.400
Why are they like not filling the frame?

936
00:51:53.460 --> 00:51:53.880
Okay.

937
00:51:53.940 --> 00:51:57.300
So this, this thing also makes no sense.

938
00:51:57.960 --> 00:52:10.440
And I was reading commenters on German's reviews earlier who praised this sequence because the air all comes out and then it stops coming out and now there's nowhere.

939
00:52:10.559 --> 00:52:11.880
But we're all okay.

940
00:52:12.300 --> 00:52:14.280
Oh, it's leaving for some reason.

941
00:52:14.280 --> 00:52:15.119
Oh, right now.

942
00:52:16.199 --> 00:52:17.940
No, he's leap wee.

943
00:52:18.179 --> 00:52:20.340
No, no, no, but now there's air.

944
00:52:20.579 --> 00:52:21.179
Look.

945
00:52:21.420 --> 00:52:23.039
No, no, there's no air.

946
00:52:23.099 --> 00:52:23.820
There's no air.

947
00:52:23.880 --> 00:52:24.900
It's all been blown out.

948
00:52:25.019 --> 00:52:27.539
It's blown out, not sucked out, you remember?

949
00:52:27.599 --> 00:52:28.440
Data says that.

950
00:52:28.860 --> 00:52:33.239
Um, uh, and now it's filling up with air again.

951
00:52:33.719 --> 00:52:38.400
Uh, and uh, I don't know what special Scott's doing.

952
00:52:39.900 --> 00:52:40.619
Bless them.

953
00:52:42.480 --> 00:52:44.880
Mr. Silic flying through the nebula.

954
00:52:45.539 --> 00:52:47.639
That's like, you've got to pay that.

955
00:52:48.179 --> 00:52:51.900
That is at least an attempt to do something that we haven't seen before.

956
00:52:52.380 --> 00:52:53.219
It doesn't work.

957
00:52:53.280 --> 00:52:57.599
It's shitty, but it's like I give them points for that, I think.

958
00:52:59.340 --> 00:53:00.659
All right, it's something.

959
00:53:00.719 --> 00:53:03.179
I'll give them that Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

960
00:53:03.239 --> 00:53:03.659
Yeah.

961
00:53:04.320 --> 00:53:06.900
Also, and now we have a couple of minutes on that panel.

962
00:53:07.139 --> 00:53:08.639
What the fuck was that all about then?

963
00:53:08.699 --> 00:53:09.420
Oh, I don't know.

964
00:53:09.420 --> 00:53:10.199
Who knows?

965
00:53:10.320 --> 00:53:10.860
You know?

966
00:53:10.920 --> 00:53:16.260
I reckon maybe at some point in the next 10 episodes, this maybe will be relevant at some point though.

967
00:53:16.739 --> 00:53:18.000
Yeah, probably.

968
00:53:18.059 --> 00:53:21.960
It will come up again, I think, almost certainly at some point.

969
00:53:23.159 --> 00:53:23.940
Not a clue.

970
00:53:25.619 --> 00:53:28.800
Oh yeah, no, as usual, because he can't be too smart.

971
00:53:29.039 --> 00:53:31.260
We don't want someone like Picard who knows things.

972
00:53:31.320 --> 00:53:33.239
We want someone who doesn't have a clue about things.

973
00:53:33.840 --> 00:53:34.559
George W.

974
00:53:34.559 --> 00:53:37.739
Bush is, after all, president of the United States at this point.

975
00:53:38.159 --> 00:53:40.139
Oh, this.

976
00:53:40.199 --> 00:53:40.920
Oh, is that right?

977
00:53:40.980 --> 00:53:41.280
Wow.

978
00:53:42.239 --> 00:53:43.199
Sounds about right.

979
00:53:44.159 --> 00:53:49.079
That line did actually make me laugh is when he went, I don't know how to write this report.

980
00:53:49.199 --> 00:53:50.639
I don't even know where to start.

981
00:53:50.699 --> 00:53:53.579
And to Paul went, I'll help you, if you like.

982
00:53:55.019 --> 00:53:55.980
I bet you will.

983
00:53:56.280 --> 00:53:59.159
He's a fucking idiot who doesn't know anything.

984
00:53:59.579 --> 00:54:00.179
That's right.

985
00:54:01.500 --> 00:54:03.780
I mean, I think it's supposed to be comedy.

986
00:54:04.559 --> 00:54:06.179
But they don't play it that way.

987
00:54:06.719 --> 00:54:10.320
No, she is the one competent person on board the ship.

988
00:54:10.739 --> 00:54:15.239
Oh, Travis can do things and Hoshi is a skilled linguist.

989
00:54:15.420 --> 00:54:16.739
And Dr. Flux, of course.

990
00:54:17.099 --> 00:54:21.179
And Dr. Fox is great at holding swingers parties.

991
00:54:21.539 --> 00:54:23.639
She has the most incredible lips.

992
00:54:23.699 --> 00:54:24.719
Did you see her lips then?

993
00:54:24.900 --> 00:54:25.440
Yeah.

994
00:54:26.519 --> 00:54:27.539
I know what you're thinking.

995
00:54:28.380 --> 00:54:30.599
There's a lot of collagen, isn't there?

996
00:54:30.659 --> 00:54:31.440
It's a bit of a thing.

997
00:54:32.760 --> 00:54:33.900
Indeed, indeed.

998
00:54:34.380 --> 00:54:36.539
But, you know, there was a consequence of this.

999
00:54:36.599 --> 00:54:38.340
Archer has got a big bruise on his head.

1000
00:54:39.420 --> 00:54:40.559
Yes, there you go.

1001
00:54:40.800 --> 00:54:43.679
So we all learned something about something today.

1002
00:54:43.800 --> 00:54:52.260
This ending made me die, the where they've locked the door to Daniel's quarters, you know, they come up with terrible secret scenario that we don't know about.

1003
00:54:52.500 --> 00:54:55.559
And then the sort of scary piano started coming in.

1004
00:54:55.619 --> 00:54:57.719
And then we get the door, we go in on the door.

1005
00:54:58.559 --> 00:54:59.699
What's behind the door?

1006
00:55:01.320 --> 00:55:02.460
Who can say?

1007
00:55:03.360 --> 00:55:04.619
Do we ever go in there again?

1008
00:55:05.159 --> 00:55:10.139
Like, that's, yeah, like, how have they not created, like, he's dead.

1009
00:55:10.199 --> 00:55:11.519
Like, I don't know.

1010
00:55:11.579 --> 00:55:13.980
Like, why are we not intrigued by all of this?

1011
00:55:14.099 --> 00:55:15.539
That's your bread crumb, Nathan.

1012
00:55:15.599 --> 00:55:25.619
It is there might, possibly, in the future, be something behind that boring gray door that is relevant to nothing we've learnt about in this episode.

1013
00:55:26.099 --> 00:55:27.539
No, we haven't learned anything.

1014
00:55:28.079 --> 00:55:30.000
We haven't.

1015
00:55:30.719 --> 00:55:32.219
Well, I mean, you know what?

1016
00:55:32.280 --> 00:55:38.219
I'm so pleased we did that episode, though, because we have now notched another tick off series one Enterprise.

1017
00:55:38.460 --> 00:55:40.139
So we're down to how many now?

1018
00:55:41.099 --> 00:55:44.159
I'm not sure how many there are in a season at this point.

1019
00:55:44.639 --> 00:55:47.880
But let's say there's 24, which is a guess.

1020
00:55:49.079 --> 00:55:52.079
Still 20 to go. have got 20 to go.

1021
00:55:54.780 --> 00:55:56.639
God, you're here with me. by God.

1022
00:55:57.300 --> 00:55:58.679
So boring, isn't it?

1023
00:55:58.739 --> 00:55:59.519
Oh my goodness.

1024
00:56:01.860 --> 00:56:07.559
Possibly the least tangible arc episode we have ever comfort.

1025
00:56:08.400 --> 00:56:10.320
Yeah, it's really not very good.

1026
00:56:10.380 --> 00:56:16.679
And they do like, let's be fair, they get better at this and they get better at next year.

1027
00:56:17.099 --> 00:56:24.659
As soon as next year, I think season 2 is probably better than season one and then season 3 is much more interesting than either of those.

1028
00:56:25.440 --> 00:56:32.039
They even get better at the action next year because um, even though it is another Borg episode.

1029
00:56:32.159 --> 00:56:42.539
But I just remember, there are like POV shots where the cameras swooping down corridors and things and it's like it's like someone has said to them, well, you just inject something into this, please.

1030
00:56:42.599 --> 00:56:43.800
Yeah.

1031
00:56:43.800 --> 00:56:50.099
So I think it lifts every year. certainly in terms of production because some of the ones we've done for season four.

1032
00:56:50.400 --> 00:56:51.840
The productions were great.

1033
00:56:51.900 --> 00:56:54.239
That 2 part Mirror Universe episode.

1034
00:56:54.420 --> 00:56:59.159
I mean, the Folian Web, you know, the fabulously comical gone.

1035
00:56:59.219 --> 00:57:02.519
You know, there was lots of crazy, great imagery going on.

1036
00:57:02.880 --> 00:57:04.320
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1037
00:57:04.380 --> 00:57:10.920
No, that was super exciting and super, you know, trying to be visually interesting as well. and trying to be very Star Treky too.

1038
00:57:11.400 --> 00:57:16.860
This is even more than TNG embarrassed about being Star Trek.

1039
00:57:16.920 --> 00:57:29.280
It took Star Trek off the title card and it's trying to be something else, but it's still too Star Trek, and it's all of the worst, least interesting things about Star Trek altogether.

1040
00:57:29.579 --> 00:57:38.639
Plus some racism of a kind that we haven't had since the 60s, well, apart from occasionally in the 90s, I guess, as well.

1041
00:57:39.179 --> 00:57:42.840
But, you know, it's all just all a little bit unedifying, really.

1042
00:57:43.199 --> 00:58:00.840
It's all the beats of Star Trek that we've watched ad nauseam for the past couple of decades, you know, from the 60s through to the 90s, presented to us for the very 1st time via this crew in a watered down and very stupid version.

1043
00:58:01.619 --> 00:58:02.579
Yeah, yeah.

1044
00:58:13.440 --> 00:58:18.300
All right, it's the end of the episode and it's time for us to work out where we're going next.

1045
00:58:18.360 --> 00:58:24.599
It was an enterprise episode this time, which means that it's your turn to have a go at the randomiser.

1046
00:58:25.679 --> 00:58:26.820
What series are you choosing?

1047
00:58:27.119 --> 00:58:29.099
Take a guess. 90s track.

1048
00:58:29.159 --> 00:58:29.820
Everything.

1049
00:58:31.260 --> 00:58:32.760
Almost bang on, actually.

1050
00:58:34.440 --> 00:58:35.639
I have kept absolutely...

1051
00:58:35.699 --> 00:58:37.619
I mean, I always keep us in no extract, don't I?

1052
00:58:37.679 --> 00:58:38.519
Generally speaking.

1053
00:58:38.699 --> 00:58:40.619
So 90s track, but not enterprise.

1054
00:58:41.340 --> 00:58:41.820
Exactly.

1055
00:58:44.039 --> 00:58:44.880
That predictable.

1056
00:58:45.119 --> 00:58:45.960
God damn it.

1057
00:58:46.559 --> 00:58:48.179
Yes, it's the next generation.

1058
00:58:48.239 --> 00:58:49.500
Dick Space Island Voyager.

1059
00:58:49.619 --> 00:58:50.400
My happy place.

1060
00:58:50.579 --> 00:58:51.119
Excellent.

1061
00:58:51.179 --> 00:58:51.840
My happy place.

1062
00:58:52.019 --> 00:58:52.559
Me too.

1063
00:58:52.619 --> 00:58:53.039
No?

1064
00:58:53.039 --> 00:58:53.820
Okay.

1065
00:58:54.239 --> 00:58:55.380
See what the hell we get.

1066
00:58:56.699 --> 00:58:58.019
Oh, not this, though.

1067
00:58:58.199 --> 00:59:03.539
Your random Star Trek Voyager episode is season three, episode 12, macrocosm.

1068
00:59:04.380 --> 00:59:05.340
Oh.

1069
00:59:05.460 --> 00:59:14.400
You know, that's the one where those CGI bugs that Port Kate Mulcher is pretending to grapple with that do come back in the lower decks episode 2 Vix.

1070
00:59:14.880 --> 00:59:15.539
Is that right?

1071
00:59:16.139 --> 00:59:16.559
Yeah.

1072
00:59:18.239 --> 00:59:19.920
There's macroviruses in there?

1073
00:59:20.280 --> 00:59:22.559
They forget nothing. they?

1074
00:59:23.940 --> 00:59:28.559
I swear there's a scourer who goes through the episodes going, oh, this is terrible.

1075
00:59:28.619 --> 00:59:30.000
Can we do Netflix?

1076
00:59:32.280 --> 00:59:33.659
I'm going to press it again.

1077
00:59:34.800 --> 00:59:35.699
Oh, we've done it.

1078
00:59:35.760 --> 00:59:36.659
We've done it recently.

1079
00:59:37.380 --> 00:59:38.340
Final mission.

1080
00:59:38.699 --> 00:59:41.280
Season four, episode 9 of the next generation.

1081
00:59:41.940 --> 00:59:43.079
Oh, fuck.

1082
00:59:43.139 --> 00:59:44.159
No we can't do this.

1083
00:59:44.519 --> 00:59:48.420
I said the other time, we can't keep doing the bangers of these face line.

1084
00:59:48.480 --> 00:59:50.159
We've got to do some of the shit.

1085
00:59:50.280 --> 00:59:52.320
It's one of my all-time favourites as well.

1086
00:59:52.679 --> 00:59:55.260
Season five, episode 22, children of time.

1087
00:59:56.519 --> 01:00:00.000
God, I love that episode, but we could do it.

1088
01:00:00.239 --> 01:00:01.500
We have watched some dance.

1089
01:00:01.980 --> 01:00:03.719
I mean, my finger's on the button.

1090
01:00:03.780 --> 01:00:04.619
I haven't pressed it.

1091
01:00:04.980 --> 01:00:05.880
It's up to you.

1092
01:00:06.000 --> 01:00:07.079
No, it's up to you.

1093
01:00:07.139 --> 01:00:10.980
I'm happy to press it again But if you fans, because it is great.

1094
01:00:12.119 --> 01:00:14.760
But it's not, it's not typical.

1095
01:00:14.820 --> 01:00:15.719
Do you know what I mean?

1096
01:00:15.780 --> 01:00:17.400
It's not the art thing.

1097
01:00:17.460 --> 01:00:21.059
It is a high concept one that it does very well, right?

1098
01:00:21.659 --> 01:00:23.340
It could be TNG, right?

1099
01:00:23.699 --> 01:00:26.699
We are... or Enterprise.

1100
01:00:26.760 --> 01:00:32.880
Remember that enterprise episode where they meet the other enterprise and it's all their descendants or whatever.

1101
01:00:33.179 --> 01:00:34.980
So it is a thing that they have done.

1102
01:00:35.159 --> 01:00:38.760
It is a Star Trek thing more than a Deep Space 9 thing.

1103
01:00:38.940 --> 01:00:44.519
So it's not like we're kind of eating up the great arc episodes here if we do it.

1104
01:00:44.880 --> 01:00:46.380
We still quite a lot.

1105
01:00:46.440 --> 01:00:50.699
We haven't touched that 6 episode arc in series 6 shit.

1106
01:00:50.760 --> 01:00:51.900
Oh, no, we did rocks and shoals.

1107
01:00:51.960 --> 01:00:53.940
We just done one, but we still got tons to go.

1108
01:00:54.599 --> 01:00:55.440
I am tempted.

1109
01:00:55.860 --> 01:00:56.940
And we do go outside.

1110
01:00:57.960 --> 01:00:58.679
Yeah, okay.

1111
01:00:58.860 --> 01:01:05.099
You know, we plant some fields at one and it's just, do you know what, do you know what it is about this episode?

1112
01:01:06.059 --> 01:01:19.019
It's just how intensely character focussed it is and how clever it is with taking the characters and then suggesting what they would become all those years later.

1113
01:01:19.739 --> 01:01:20.820
It's just so smart.

1114
01:01:22.380 --> 01:01:23.039
What do you think?

1115
01:01:23.460 --> 01:01:24.539
Yeah, let's do it.

1116
01:01:25.079 --> 01:01:25.559
Okay.

1117
01:01:25.619 --> 01:01:26.579
All right, fine.

1118
01:01:26.639 --> 01:01:28.019
Although I want to see what I would have got.

1119
01:01:28.260 --> 01:01:28.920
Oh okay.

1120
01:01:29.159 --> 01:01:30.900
Oh, that's quite good as well.

1121
01:01:32.099 --> 01:01:38.039
We could have done series 5, episode 2 of Voyager Drone, which is a good 7 of 9 episode.

1122
01:01:38.340 --> 01:01:41.699
Do you know, I really didn't like it the last time I saw it.

1123
01:01:41.940 --> 01:01:42.659
Oh why?

1124
01:01:43.380 --> 01:01:44.219
I can't remember.

1125
01:01:44.760 --> 01:01:47.940
Is it because the drone walks a bit like Crichton from Redwall?

1126
01:01:48.000 --> 01:01:49.860
Yeah, I think that might have been it.

1127
01:01:50.159 --> 01:01:51.420
Is it a it's a guy?

1128
01:01:51.480 --> 01:01:54.480
Is it the Nazi guy for Mum Stormprond or whatever?

1129
01:01:54.719 --> 01:01:56.340
Or no, from the Hirogan episode?

1130
01:01:56.400 --> 01:01:57.179
Is it that kind?

1131
01:01:57.300 --> 01:01:59.760
Yeah, it is someone who's done other ones.

1132
01:01:59.820 --> 01:02:00.480
Yeah, yeah.

1133
01:02:00.719 --> 01:02:01.440
Yeah, yeah.

1134
01:02:01.500 --> 01:02:01.860
Yeah.

1135
01:02:01.920 --> 01:02:02.940
No, I thought it was a bit dumb.

1136
01:02:04.619 --> 01:02:14.400
Well, I mean, I'm going to have a good think as well, whilst we're away for a week and think about what our descendants, you and I would be like, if we crash land on the planet.

1137
01:02:14.699 --> 01:02:15.119
Okay?

1138
01:02:15.719 --> 01:02:16.980
Yeah, yep, yep.

1139
01:02:17.699 --> 01:02:20.280
They would be super irritating.

1140
01:02:29.400 --> 01:02:39.719
You've been listening to untitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford and Nathan Bottomley, where online and untitled Star Trek Project.com, where you can find subscription links and links to our social media accounts.

1141
01:02:40.019 --> 01:02:44.940
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Ciceran, and the theme was composed by Cameron Lamb.

1142
01:02:45.300 --> 01:02:50.940
This episode was recorded on the 29th of September 2026 and released on the 2nd of October.

1143
01:02:51.360 --> 01:02:55.679
We'll see you next time for Star Trek Deep Space 9, Children of Time.

1144
01:03:13.920 --> 01:03:15.960
That was the first time in ages, Nathan.

1145
01:03:16.019 --> 01:03:19.739
There was so little happening there that I said in the middle of the episode, where are we?

1146
01:03:19.800 --> 01:03:20.400
I'm lost.

1147
01:03:21.000 --> 01:03:22.559
I think we did that a bunch of times.

1148
01:03:22.800 --> 01:03:25.019
Like, I think we did a bunch of times. so boring.

1149
01:03:26.760 --> 01:03:27.659
Three stars.

1150
01:03:27.900 --> 01:03:31.980
He gave the puppet 11 star and he gave that 3 stars.

1151
01:03:32.039 --> 01:03:33.960
He, like, it...

1152
01:03:33.960 --> 01:03:38.880
Do you think he was being kind to the new show and unkind to the show that's been going a while?

1153
01:03:39.539 --> 01:03:41.280
That's the only reason I can think of.

1154
01:03:42.239 --> 01:03:53.400
People liked, like, people liked this because it came back, it came back to the premise of the pilot.

1155
01:03:54.780 --> 01:04:00.179
And because Something's happening, do you know what I mean?

1156
01:04:00.300 --> 01:04:02.519
Like mostly nothing very much was happening.

1157
01:04:02.820 --> 01:04:06.360
But it wasn't like, it just wasn't competent drama in any way.

1158
01:04:06.420 --> 01:04:08.519
Like you said, there's no thematic unity to it.

1159
01:04:08.880 --> 01:04:10.260
It's not about anything.

1160
01:04:10.800 --> 01:04:19.860
Um, there's no way of adjudicating the rival claims of Silic and Daniels, so we don't know who to side with and who to root for.

1161
01:04:20.340 --> 01:04:25.320
Um, no one in the in the episode is particularly engaged with what's going on.

1162
01:04:25.619 --> 01:04:26.460
Do you know what I mean?

1163
01:04:26.519 --> 01:04:27.719
Like, no one reflects about it.

1164
01:04:27.780 --> 01:04:30.900
No one goes, 0 my god, there's this time thing, you know, what's that mean?

1165
01:04:31.199 --> 01:04:33.420
They don't want to overplay their hand?

1166
01:04:33.480 --> 01:04:34.920
Because they don't know what they're doing.

1167
01:04:34.980 --> 01:04:39.360
They don't know what part of a picture they're revealing. mapped out all of this, yeah.

1168
01:04:39.480 --> 01:04:40.199
Yeah, yeah.

1169
01:04:40.440 --> 01:04:41.400
Or something.

1170
01:04:41.460 --> 01:04:45.780
You know, like have some episodes going and then work out where you're doing so.

1171
01:04:45.840 --> 01:04:53.099
It's just like, oh, let's reveal that one of the crew members is one of them, and then there's, our silic will have silic.

1172
01:04:53.159 --> 01:04:59.400
He going to be our kind of semi-regular villain, which is, you know, you can get John Fleck in to be a semi-regular villain. not a bad instinct.

1173
01:05:00.059 --> 01:05:00.780
Not at all.

1174
01:05:00.840 --> 01:05:04.500
But, but, you know, like it just...

1175
01:05:04.800 --> 01:05:10.679
Yeah, yeah, make it evil Romulan from the mind.

1176
01:05:11.340 --> 01:05:14.099
But also, like, do you remember what Ira Bear said about Odo, right?

1177
01:05:14.159 --> 01:05:15.179
He said, I always knew.

1178
01:05:15.239 --> 01:05:20.340
I always knew the 2nd I took over DS9 in the last episode, Odo was going back to his people?

1179
01:05:21.360 --> 01:05:23.039
I had no idea how we were getting there.

1180
01:05:23.280 --> 01:05:25.500
He said, but I knew that's where he was going to end up.

1181
01:05:25.739 --> 01:05:29.699
And that you should kind of have to have an endgame to look towards it.

1182
01:05:29.760 --> 01:05:35.699
You can't just get, and that's what was wrong with that X-Files mythology, is they kept building elements on top of elements on top.

1183
01:05:35.760 --> 01:05:36.599
And then it just fell over.

1184
01:05:37.500 --> 01:05:41.579
Well, but they also wound it up and then found themselves still going.

1185
01:05:41.880 --> 01:05:42.719
Do you know what I mean?

1186
01:05:42.780 --> 01:05:45.480
And then they had to do the super soldiers and all of that sort of thing.

1187
01:05:45.539 --> 01:05:47.880
I mean, they did actually wind all that stuff up.

1188
01:05:48.360 --> 01:05:55.320
Like, I, you know, I, like, I would, I don't want, I don't want it to be Babylon five.

1189
01:05:55.380 --> 01:06:03.000
Like, I don't want like a 5 season arc plotted in advance because that's not how good television gets made.

1190
01:06:03.119 --> 01:06:16.139
And like Deep Space 9 is successful at suggesting things and building on things and trying something and abandoning it if it doesn't work, but then keeping going with it.

1191
01:06:16.199 --> 01:06:22.199
Like you talked in this episode about, about the Dominion, how they introduce a Dominion and it's got 3 tiers.

1192
01:06:22.260 --> 01:06:23.880
That's not how it's introduced at all.

1193
01:06:24.300 --> 01:06:28.440
Those 3 tiers develop organically and that's what they end up going with.

1194
01:06:29.280 --> 01:06:35.219
And then they bring in great actors and they go, my God, we want more tombs, we want more, lame o.

1195
01:06:35.400 --> 01:06:38.340
Let's have these characters together.

1196
01:06:38.400 --> 01:06:42.000
Let's build relationships, then let's surprise with those relationships.

1197
01:06:43.440 --> 01:06:44.699
Yeah, I mean, I don't know.

1198
01:06:44.760 --> 01:06:50.880
Maybe if maybe if I'd seen all of Enterprise in order and I had a better idea of how the Cold War arc.

1199
01:06:52.559 --> 01:06:55.559
The temporal Cold War kind of plays out.

1200
01:06:55.860 --> 01:06:59.159
But I don't think I do, and I don't think they do either, do they?

1201
01:06:59.219 --> 01:07:01.139
Like they really don't know what they're doing.

1202
01:07:01.920 --> 01:07:04.920
It certainly wasn't memorable enough to lodge in my brain.

1203
01:07:06.000 --> 01:07:18.179
I mean, and you, like the Zindi thing, like the, you know, the Zindi, um, Like they rope that into the cold war, that becomes a temporal Cold War thing.

1204
01:07:18.179 --> 01:07:20.519
Or, you know, remember?

1205
01:07:22.679 --> 01:07:30.179
But does it does it feel like a integrated part that's always been there or just an awkward fusion of the 2 things?

1206
01:07:31.019 --> 01:07:32.340
But it actually doesn't...

1207
01:07:32.400 --> 01:07:36.360
I think that that probably lifts the temporal Cold War because it makes it a thing about a thing.

1208
01:07:36.420 --> 01:07:37.260
Do you know what I mean?

1209
01:07:37.320 --> 01:07:49.800
Like, it's like, they have, they're trying to stop earth from destroying their world in the future, which they've learned about from the shower guy or something.

1210
01:07:51.000 --> 01:07:51.719
Daniels.

1211
01:07:53.639 --> 01:07:54.780
Daniel Chhateau Guy.

1212
01:07:55.380 --> 01:07:56.280
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1213
01:07:56.579 --> 01:07:57.000
Yeah.

1214
01:07:57.420 --> 01:08:06.059
I think I think that that was back in the day, there was this thing called television without pity that used to do recaps, and I was just not going to watch it, surprise.

1215
01:08:06.119 --> 01:08:08.460
I didn't even know how I would do that at the time.

1216
01:08:09.420 --> 01:08:17.579
Um, you know, like it was on telly or something, I wasn't going to buy the VHS tapes, like I did for Voyager.

1217
01:08:18.539 --> 01:08:24.359
And so I was watching the recaps on television without pity, and I'm pretty sure they called that guy shower guy.

1218
01:08:24.779 --> 01:08:26.279
I mean you know who he is, right?

1219
01:08:26.520 --> 01:08:30.659
He's fucking head in from Arc of Infinity with his black pencil.

1220
01:08:31.199 --> 01:08:32.579
It's that.

1221
01:08:34.380 --> 01:08:37.680
Oh, that would be really creepy and mysterious, won't it?

1222
01:08:38.760 --> 01:08:40.920
So I'm going to find out who that guy is.

1223
01:08:42.359 --> 01:08:43.560
I'm looking for mum.

1224
01:08:43.859 --> 01:08:44.520
I don't know.

1225
01:08:44.760 --> 01:08:45.960
Put shower guy in it.

1226
01:08:46.020 --> 01:08:46.619
See what comes up.

1227
01:08:46.800 --> 01:08:48.119
Yeah, see what comes up.

1228
01:08:48.779 --> 01:08:53.340
We'll have an investigation. old front cold front.

1229
01:08:53.399 --> 01:08:53.819
Yes.

1230
01:08:54.239 --> 01:08:55.260
People can learn.

1231
01:08:55.680 --> 01:08:56.699
People can learn things.

1232
01:08:57.060 --> 01:09:01.859
I've got to do the... is called humanoid figure.

1233
01:09:03.779 --> 01:09:04.800
Humanoid figure.

1234
01:09:05.039 --> 01:09:05.819
Is that his name?

1235
01:09:05.939 --> 01:09:07.140
Shower guys, yeah.

1236
01:09:08.159 --> 01:09:09.239
Humanoid figure.

1237
01:09:09.420 --> 01:09:11.159
A mysterious individual.

1238
01:09:11.640 --> 01:09:13.560
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

1239
01:09:13.859 --> 01:09:17.279
He gave them biometic garments and cloaking devices.

1240
01:09:18.180 --> 01:09:20.699
Oh, Captain Archer meets him.

1241
01:09:23.520 --> 01:09:24.119
In?

1242
01:09:25.680 --> 01:09:29.640
In the expanse, like early season three.

1243
01:09:30.060 --> 01:09:31.199
Oh, you've seen that recently.

1244
01:09:31.260 --> 01:09:32.039
Is it the 1st episode?

1245
01:09:33.119 --> 01:09:43.739
After I suffered a devastating attack, blah, blah, blah, which resulted in the death of 7000000 people from Florida, he ordered Silik to retrieve Captain Archer and deliver him to a temporal chamber.

1246
01:09:43.920 --> 01:09:45.000
That's his shower.

1247
01:09:45.359 --> 01:09:48.239
Then he provided Archer with intelligence that the Zindi were behind the attack.

1248
01:09:49.199 --> 01:09:50.220
Do you remember any of this?

1249
01:09:50.279 --> 01:09:52.680
Because I know you haven't watched this within the last couple of years.

1250
01:09:52.680 --> 01:09:53.220
I watched it.

1251
01:09:53.939 --> 01:09:55.319
Silly gets killed.

1252
01:09:57.300 --> 01:09:58.979
In in something.

1253
01:09:59.579 --> 01:10:01.140
We never find out.

1254
01:10:01.319 --> 01:10:02.880
He's called Future guy.

1255
01:10:02.939 --> 01:10:05.579
Humanoid figure, a.k.a. future guy.

1256
01:10:08.460 --> 01:10:10.859
I just did another clue where this was going, though.

1257
01:10:10.979 --> 01:10:14.220
They invented the character without deciding, oh, he plays.

1258
01:10:14.279 --> 01:10:17.399
He's in another, he's been in 4 Star Trek.

1259
01:10:17.460 --> 01:10:18.239
All right, all right.

1260
01:10:18.300 --> 01:10:19.260
I love this stuff.

1261
01:10:19.500 --> 01:10:29.279
So this is James Horan plays Shower Guy, and he was in he played, who did he play?

1262
01:10:29.399 --> 01:10:30.119
Wait a sec.

1263
01:10:31.920 --> 01:10:33.720
I pressed the wrong button.

1264
01:10:33.960 --> 01:10:37.560
Okay, he played Joe Brill in suspicions.

1265
01:10:39.479 --> 01:10:40.020
Okay.

1266
01:10:40.979 --> 01:10:44.159
So I think he's the murderer in in suspicion.

1267
01:10:44.220 --> 01:10:45.539
Oh, he was very boring.

1268
01:10:45.600 --> 01:10:47.520
Do you remember what she does?

1269
01:10:47.579 --> 01:10:49.680
She does her Angela Lansbury moment, doesn't it?

1270
01:10:49.739 --> 01:10:51.060
It was huge.

1271
01:10:51.119 --> 01:10:51.840
You was dead.

1272
01:10:53.340 --> 01:10:58.079
We have actually seen him in 2 episodes already.

1273
01:10:58.500 --> 01:10:59.220
Oh, come on.

1274
01:10:59.399 --> 01:11:13.680
He is Barnaby. the grumpy arsehole in descent part two, the grumpy Starfleet Guy on the Bridge of the Enterprise, who's crossed at Beverly for some reason.

1275
01:11:13.920 --> 01:11:15.479
Oh, he's quite tedious as well.

1276
01:11:15.779 --> 01:11:16.439
Yeah, yeah.

1277
01:11:16.859 --> 01:11:20.340
He plays insect skull head creature.

1278
01:11:22.079 --> 01:11:22.979
Is that his name?

1279
01:11:23.880 --> 01:11:30.300
No, he's called Towson, like Towson Cole in Fair Trade in a Voyager episode.

1280
01:11:30.899 --> 01:11:33.180
And we have seen him.

1281
01:11:33.239 --> 01:11:41.520
He's Ikatikar, which can only be a Jem'Hadar name, in in purgatory shadow and by Inferno's light.

1282
01:11:41.880 --> 01:11:44.340
Ah, probably his best role then.

1283
01:11:46.380 --> 01:11:47.819
If, um, if brief.

1284
01:11:47.939 --> 01:11:51.239
You know, I was just thinking there whilst you was doing your investigations.

1285
01:11:51.539 --> 01:11:55.140
That's, um, just like Neelix in that episode there. was fabulous.

1286
01:11:55.680 --> 01:11:56.640
Instigations.

1287
01:11:57.539 --> 01:11:58.260
Watch out.

1288
01:11:58.319 --> 01:12:00.539
Michael Jonas is behind you with a phaser.

1289
01:12:02.100 --> 01:12:20.880
And I was thinking like, you know, they've unlearned that as well, because do you remember when at the end of redemption, there's the mysterious Romulan shape in the shadows, we will, you know, we will find out and we will stop Jean-Luc Picard one day and we're like, who the fuck's that?

1290
01:12:21.060 --> 01:12:24.779
And, you know, in a truly dreadful soap operatic twist.

1291
01:12:24.960 --> 01:12:27.539
It's Tasha Yars, bastard child.

1292
01:12:27.960 --> 01:12:29.520
Oh yeah, awesome stuff.

1293
01:12:29.640 --> 01:12:31.199
A half Romulan child.

1294
01:12:31.319 --> 01:12:33.600
Like, they could have done something like that, you know?

1295
01:12:34.380 --> 01:12:51.779
But in fact, isn't she, like, it's not played by Denise, but it is voiced by Denise, that John Fleck in the mind's eye, isn't he talking to a mysterious Romulan figure, who, I don't know who it is.

1296
01:12:51.840 --> 01:12:52.739
How wonderful.

1297
01:12:52.800 --> 01:12:53.760
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1298
01:12:53.819 --> 01:12:59.880
She gets introduced because the mind's eye is just like very, very close to the, you know, the season finale, I think.

1299
01:12:59.939 --> 01:13:06.600
It's quite at the end of the. you're just like, yo, do you remember that when we when we had drama and actual suspense and mystery in the show?

1300
01:13:06.840 --> 01:13:07.680
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1301
01:13:07.680 --> 01:13:08.520
Why did we do that again?

1302
01:13:08.760 --> 01:13:09.359
Oh, no.

1303
01:13:09.600 --> 01:13:15.119
No, let's try not having those things and see if that makes for a good Star Trek show.

1304
01:13:15.539 --> 01:13:16.500
And also as well.

1305
01:13:16.560 --> 01:13:22.140
The music, even though it has been toned down a lot, is still a bit too exciting for the average viewer.

1306
01:13:22.199 --> 01:13:24.300
So can we make it more vanilla than ever?

1307
01:13:24.359 --> 01:13:26.340
I mean, did you hear any music in this episode?

1308
01:13:26.760 --> 01:13:38.640
Oh, so I think I've said this before, but I had a game for the Wii U, which I played for maybe half an hour in total, which was Star Trek, and you had a ship and you went round from place to place.

1309
01:13:38.640 --> 01:13:45.539
And I think all of the music was like procedurally generated music.

1310
01:13:46.380 --> 01:13:48.000
But it just sounded like that.

1311
01:13:48.359 --> 01:13:59.760
It just sounded like every sting musical sting leading for an ad break, leading to an ad break, you know, his track. was the entire soundtrack of the thing.

1312
01:13:59.819 --> 01:14:01.260
And that's all I can think about today.

1313
01:14:01.319 --> 01:14:02.579
The music was really bad.

1314
01:14:02.880 --> 01:14:03.960
It was super boring.

1315
01:14:04.619 --> 01:14:09.420
I mean, we've managed to provide at least 10 minutes of extra material about the episode there.

1316
01:14:09.479 --> 01:14:11.399
Who knew there was so much?

1317
01:14:11.460 --> 01:14:12.119
That's it.

1318
01:14:12.960 --> 01:14:15.899
Because he was certainly running out of things to say while we were watching it.

1319
01:14:16.920 --> 01:14:21.359
Just in somewhere in the episode where I'm going, what the fuck's happening now?