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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So, welcome to our 200th episode, and I know, and tonight to celebrate, we are going to be watching our 1st episode of Star Trek Picard in quite some time.

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It's Picard series 3, episode 5 Imposters, which actually aired on the 16th of March, 2023.

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Well, I'm so pleased we've got Picard series 3 for our 200th episode, a huge love letter to Star Trek.

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Yes, exactly.

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Much like this podcast.

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I was like this.

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Well, mostly.

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Mostly.

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Occasionally we watch things not twisted, you know.

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We hate because we care.

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We still love it.

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We do.

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So the last time we did, the only other episode of Star Trek, Picard series 3 that we've done is the one immediately prior to this, which was called No Win scenario.

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Oh, it was great.

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And we did that, that's around about somewhere in the 90s.

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So it's been a while since we did it.

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And that was obviously the huge climax of kind of the 1st part of the season, which is the 1st confrontation with the shrike, essentially.

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And getting Raffi to meet Wharf and stuff like that, we gradually kind of getting to the point where the whole crew is going to come together.

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But it still looks like they're holding off.

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There's still some important people that aren't in this episode.

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But what I thought was really interesting about this was kind of the look of it, the fact that this season all appears to take place kind of over the course of a night.

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Now, I know it doesn't.

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I know it doesn't.

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But because the lighting in the Titan is so dark and because most of the episodes are set on board the Titan.

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We had that 1st big plot ending, and then the Titan comes back to Federation Space, and then, of course, uh, it leaves again, uh, because uh, we discovered during the course of this episode that the Federation itself has been compromised and we head off for kind of the rest of the plot, for the remaining 5 episodes to take place.

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I know what you mean, though.

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Like, there's a very how I met your mother final season about the 1st half of this, of sort of condensing a short period of time over a lot of episodes, giving us time to spend with these great characters.

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I mean, the best thing about no-win scenario was all that stuff was sure.

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Do you remember?

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In the bar where he was condemning everybody.

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It was just wonderful stuff.

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And I didn't care that we weren't on, you know, space explorations or doing Tech the Babble or science problem of the week because the people are just so interesting.

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We've also cherry picked 7 and all these great characters from other shows as well.

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Changelings and things.

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So hang time in the 1st half of the guard is not a bad thing at all.

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I am in a position with this episode once again with Kurtzman Trek, where I've been dropped in the middle of the season, with a ton of running plots going on.

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And as this is technically supposed to be watched as a whole, I was floundering a little bit towards the start of this going, oh, God, where the hell am I?

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What's this episode about?

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Is it about war for Raffi?

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No, hang on.

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It's about the ship coming to pick up Arden Riker.

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No, it's not.

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It's about the Dominion, it's about, I don't know.

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I was so confused for about 15 minutes until Row turned up and said, you know, I'm taking you back. you're under arrest or whatever that zinger of a line shed was.

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And I was like, oh, okay, that's kind of where we would be in your 90s trek episode at the end of the pre-credit sequence.

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That shows you how much TV has changed from then to now that you can have 15 minutes of sort of running plots before you even get to what is really the focus of this as an individual piece, which is Rollo and coming back and her relationship with Picard.

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So it was oddly structured, but I think it's oddly structured because of how I'm watching it rather than the episode in itself because I just don't think it's supposed to be watched like this.

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No.

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And I remember watching it at the time.

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I think the 1st I was in a hotel near Heathrow airport watching episode one and I think I can't remember.

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I must have been leaving the UK the next morning and going on holidays.

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So I think I watched this while I was away, possibly by the end of episode five, I'm back in Australia watching it.

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But I have a vivid memory of watching this season or the beginning of this season while I was away and certainly that very, very 1st episode, which is so striking and so interesting.

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I was watching by myself in a sort of holiday inn near Heathrow Airport, I think.

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And for me, I think this is really Star Trek, the Next Generation's 1st film, because there is a way, which, well, we're never really ever given the chance to miss Star Trek, the next generation before they're offshooting the next film.

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And that's not what it's like for original track.

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You know, we've given about a decade to kind of start missing them, and then we see them back, and having them meet again is a big deal, right?

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And, you know, we only reluctantly get Spock and we only reluctantly get bones.

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They're not sort of enthusiastic.

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They've moved on with their lives.

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Things have happened to them in the meantime that we are not aware of and that's an experience we've never had.

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We never got that chance, I think, with the Star Trek, the next generation crew, because they're still doing their same job.

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You know, we crashed the ship at the end of generations and there's a new ship for 1st contact and all of us are still on board it with the exception of war.

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Well, you know, well, we did generations and the writers are still thinking they're writing a piece of television.

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They're not right in the movie.

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By the time you get to 1st contact, I think they are.

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We sort of summed up generations as a two-part TV episode with better lighting, which I think is fair.

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Yeah.

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Whereas this, we've had the time for new things to happen to the characters and some of those new things we learned about in season one of Star Trek Picard in that wonderful episode Nepenthe, which we've already done.

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And, you know, Deanna's not back, but she will be back and we'll be talking about that stuff towards the end of the season.

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As a love letter to TNG ignoring Marina for half the season, it feels very accurate, doesn't it?

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That's right. exactly what they used to do.

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And of course, Marina was brilliant in Nepenthe and she is good when she comes back in this.

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We haven't got Geordie yet, but we've got one of the 2 daughters that's mentioned in all good things and that Sydney.

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Alondra, when she comes back later in the season, I think, is played by Lavar's daughter.

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And we have, you know, a Beverly Crusher who's estranged from everyone who's just refused to see anyone for decades and decades and, you know, now has a big gun and stuff.

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And she was really, really striking in that 1st episode.

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It was really quite amazing.

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You promised me she could act.

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All right.

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I saw no evidence of that.

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In fact, there's one moment I will be howling when it hits.

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She is doing a lot of medicine in this episode, which is never really her strong point as chief medical officer.

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She addresses the camera with such drama in one moment.

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She says, shut up.

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Oh, I wish yeah.

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Oh, shit.

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Oh, boy.

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And of course, we've got 7 who was brilliant and was brilliant all the way along.

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I'm so glad that we got her for the very short run of this show and we get the incredible Todd Stashwick as Liam Shaw, who is just.

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He is superb. the best character in this season, I think, by country model.

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Is this the only season he does?

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Sure.

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Yeah.

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See, once again, it's all the original characters on Picard that I love the most.

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I don't need to see more of wharf using a bat left.

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No, give me someone who's whose original and catty as fuck.

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I mean, Jesus Christ.

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He only gets a few lines in this, but he takes out half the crew with his lines.

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I'll tell you.

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He's really good.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, properly good.

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I still don't remember what happens to him at the end.

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Does he go on the ship with 7 at the end?

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No, he's killed.

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Oh.

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Why do they keep murdering people in the season?

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He instead of killed heroically.

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It's a problem.

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But, um, you know, there was that idea that Terry Mathilis had of Star Trek legacy, and apparently he desperately wanted them not to strike the Titan sets because he wanted a show with, you know, 7 and Raffi.

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How long do you think they kept them erected for, Nathan?

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Oh, no, the next day, I think.

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But they, you know, it was going to end with 7 and Raffi and Jack Crusher.

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And then people had the idea that we could have had a consulting hologram of Liam Shaw, you know, in the holiday who they could go and talk to and he would insult them or whatever.

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But, you know, he's really properly great.

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And it's one of those things where he's more like a real person and part of that is the swearing that he does and part of that is.

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It's so funny when he's in a scene with Picard and Riker.

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He's the only real person, isn't he?

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No matter how much characterisation they're giving Riker and Picard now, right?

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Next to a real person, they're still cardboard, the pair of them.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And he's great.

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I mean, he's just terrific.

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And I think the fella playing Jack Crusher is really good as well.

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But as I said you in a message earlier, I think when they're leaning into him, as Picard's son, that's such an interesting story to tell, and they do really good stuff and get some great stuff out of Patrick Stewart as he's having to delicately deal with this awkward young man who he hasn't had a relationship with for all these years.

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When we're doing all of these sort of portents of doom that are coming up later in the future.

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I mean, my interest just flatlined in those bits.

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I was like, I don't care.

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Like what's happening here?

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Although I did think that that did pay off in this episode, not just as a portent of what's happening and who he really is, but it does pay off with that outburst of violence where he kills the changelings at the end, the 4 changelings.

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And so it is building up to that.

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It's not just got a role in revealing who his character is later.

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And I agree with you.

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All the red tendrils and stuff, you know, what's going on there.

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What's behind the red door?

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What's behind that red door?

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Game of Thrones, you got a lot to answer for, right?

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But like all of that stuff, I think, is sort of visually super interesting and sort of fun and science fiction-y, but it isn't as good as the stuff that we had the previous episode, which was the stuff between Jack and his father, which was great in the previous episode.

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And, you know, the father-son stuff that we have in a scene here that I think you were alluding to earlier.

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I've got mixed feelings about Rowe as well.

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One, I think Michelle Forbes is superb, and I think there's one moment that we both agree on that absolutely hits in the way that they want it to.

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But on the other hand, I feel like they kind of misremember the relationship between Picard and Roe back in TNG, and there's a few lines of dialogue where she's talking about their relationship where I'm like, no, that wasn't at all what your relationship was back in TNG.

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I don't know, the last 3 decades, me, you've forgotten what happened in those episodes.

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And for Kurtzman Trek, which is usually very hot on remembering authentically.

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It just struck me as a bit of a weird note.

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And I do have mixed feelings about characters being brought back, legacy characters and then bumping them off and we do it with Shelby and we do it.

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It happens a couple of times this year.

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I'm just like, why can't anyone be happy?

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Let someone leave someone left at the end to come back next season.

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I mean, I would lose all of the other desks except for Elizabeth down here because that's hilarious, but I think that this one absolutely has to happen.

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It has to be Michelle Forbes, and it really works in the context of the episode.

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Honestly, though, I would have sent gates into that ship and just blow her up instead.

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Well, then we couldn't have had the fun reunion at the end, though.

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It's true I haven't gone back and watched Pre-empty Strike because I think it's terribly boring.

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And so I can't really remember how that quite ends.

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But we talked a bit last time about the McKee.

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And so that conversation that they have about the marquee, where she says, I was doing what I thought was right, and I thought that I could rely on you to believe that, and I couldn't.

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And I thought that was really good.

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I thought that was properly good.

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In a world where one Will Riker chooses the federation and the other one chooses them a key.

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It's an issue on which people of goodwill can disagree.

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And I, like I really understand her feeling that, um, his failure to accept that.

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Um, was a personal affront.

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But my suspicion is that he doesn't quite fail to accept that in quite the way that is suggested by this episode.

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It's got all of the excitement of those 2 actors being together again and there's real electricity between them when they're playing against each other, which left me even more baffled because it takes so long for the episode to reunite them and then give them so few scenes together before she's off killing herself.

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And I'm like, that's sort of the linchpin of this episode, but it's really only about 10 minutes of the 55 minute running time of this episode, which I thought game was a bit of an odd choice.

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So, um, yeah, I did like this.

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I do like this season.

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I like the vibe of what's happening here.

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Um, I, one last thing, may I, before we go in, I realise this is a long, a long tag.

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But I have a real issue with the Star Trek fandoms, consensus view that series 3 of Picard in particular.

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I know Lower Decks gets a pass as well.

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But series 3 of Picard is just the best thing that Kurtzman brought out and it's the only, you know, relevant thing that Kurtzman brought out and and it's the only thing that isn't, you know, sacrificing the memory of Gene Roddenberry because it's bringing together all these same characters within the Enterprise Bridge and putting them up against the Borg and bringing in the changelings.

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And do you know what?

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It is just a load of old 90s ideas, characters and tropes.

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Mush together, done extremely confidently, brilliantly lit.

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I won't ever stop saying that, but kind of lazy.

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It's kind of lazy.

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It's a love letter, but it's kind of like, okay, yeah, they're going to love this. you know, what a way for Patrick Stewart to go out, back on the bridge of that tedious enterprise bridge set again, you know, weaving in and out of a ball cube, you know?

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Whereas this show started in a dark, kind of insidious, controversial, uncomfortable, really interesting place.

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I don't know if I like everything that happens in series one, but I was really engaged with what it was trying to do, and I feel the same about Discovery series one as well.

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I really don't like a lot of what that's doing.

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But there's something really enticing about them saying, you know what?

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This is new and we ain't going to rely on all the old tire tropes, but they do.

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They always do.

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They always wind up going back to the nostalgic Star Trek well.

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And it just annoys me.

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It annoys me because I think it's sort of like the death of innovation in favour of nostalgia.

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And I'm not saying this is bad stuff.

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I'm just saying it's not trying as hard.

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So I would have to say I agree with that, and I would also throw in Strangely World seasons one and 2 as a thing that gets a pass because it's doing the stuff that we've seen before.

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And for me, that 1st episode of Discovery, like I was one right from the start because it's just like I have never seen Star Trek that looks like this or that works in this way.

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And it's still recognisably Star Trek in all sorts of ways, but I don't know what this is going to do next.

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I don't know what's going on.

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And I've never seen anything as stunningly beautiful as this with Star Trek in the opening credits.

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And for me, the Kurtzman track, that does push the boundaries, things like Academy, things like late, strange new worlds, things like Star Trek Discovery.

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This particularly early seasons one and two, even section 31, for God's sake, which can't be said to be a success in any way, but it's all trying to do stuff that Star Trek hasn't done before.

200
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And that's what Star Trek did, you know, like originally Star Trek was doing things that you had never seen on telly before.

201
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And too many people, I think, want Star Trek to do things that they've been watching on telly for 60 years and will be upset if that's not what they get to see on any given night.

202
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And I think it's a massive shame.

203
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And like you, I think it's a huge drag on the franchise and its ability to innovate.

204
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Our jammer.

205
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I'm going to call him our jammer because we do use his website of law.

206
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I love this episode.

207
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And this was one of his favourite episodes of this.

208
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Of course he loved it.

209
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It's full of changelings.

210
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It's full of Next Generation crew and people running around corridors with balsa wood gums.

211
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And you know what I mean?

212
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It's just like 90 strictness ever.

213
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It's basically a bottle episode.

214
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For God's sakes. money saver.

215
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There's a few special effects.

216
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Ashley.

217
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Chop liver changeling is quite credible.

218
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Actually, when we get there, chopped liver. what it looks like.

219
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But he loves it, whereas he really, you know, that episode, what is it?

220
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Dude, where's my car episode of St.

221
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Wales despise that.

222
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Do you know what I mean?

223
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anything that's trying to really sort of think outside the box.

224
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He's not so keen.

225
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And I think he is indicative of that fandom, you know, of all the ones that sort of dress up and go to those fabulous conventions.

226
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They want it to be like nighties trick. such a comfortable part of their childhood, that nostalgia, watching those thousands.

227
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It felt like thousands.

228
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There was a lot of episodes, you know, and a really comfortable time watching.

229
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I understand it.

230
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I just think it's not the approach that Star Trek should ever be taken.

231
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Occasionally, yes, as a rule, no.

232
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Like you said academy, I thought academy's 1st half an hour was extraordinary.

233
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And then by the end of that episode, we were back in regular space things.

234
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What was his name?

235
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The Harry Mudd knockoff running around the ship, you know?

236
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Yeah, yeah. rocks were exploded everywhere. you know they managed to get there within one episode.

237
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Yeah, I don't know.

238
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I don't know.

239
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I don't want to criticise people for enjoying this stuff.

240
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But God, man, don't we want Star Trek to renovate?

241
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It should.

242
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It always should.

243
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Yeah.

244
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Well, I think we should do it.

245
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On that, no, we should go in.

246
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Oh, we should.

247
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You got a long edit ahead of you.

248
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All right.

249
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I am going to count us in.

250
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Five, four, three, two, one and we're off.

251
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Here's our old Star Trek Ident, only with the Titan.

252
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Oh, I think the shrike is in a shot in one of those things too.

253
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I can't hear it, but I can hear it.

254
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Yeah.

255
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So good.

256
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Do I do that every time?

257
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I think I probably do.

258
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Okay, so we get it previously on?

259
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He's Amanda...

260
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Fabulous.

261
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If you're going to bring the changelings back, all right, you need some fabulous British actress.

262
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

263
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But she's 2nd generation Star Trek villain, I mean, she's tremendous.

264
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She's really great.

265
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I mean, we always love salome gens, but come on, Amanda Plummer.

266
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I mean, that's passing the torch in a great way.

267
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And here we have little, um, little Lord Fauntleroy, whatever his name is from little Henry from the, um, from the Voyager hollow novel, Janeway's hollow novel.

268
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It's sort of like, as the changelink effect happens.

269
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It sort of looks like they're burn victims, doesn't it?

270
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Yeah, but also, I think the change things look so much like raw chicken is so gross.

271
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So gross, isn't it?

272
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Yeah.

273
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Oh, bless.

274
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What do they look like back in the day?

275
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A bad CGI river.

276
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Yeah, yeah, pretty rough.

277
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They were pretty rough.

278
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Ooh, look at that special effect shot.

279
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Yeah, that big portal thing.

280
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And that's mostly what Raffi and Worf have been investigating.

281
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And initially Raffi and then Raffi and Worf.

282
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And it's this episode that it ties into the main plot because we discover that Roe is the person that they've been speaking to.

283
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May I direct uh, everyone listening to uh, their podcast catcher of choice now to have a look at the untitled Star Trek project uh, image that our fabulous Kayla Ciceron did for us.

284
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And please note how Commander Wolf is starting to look very like Nathan.

285
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Don't you think?

286
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He is.

287
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He is.

288
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He's so handsome as a Klingon, the pair of all.

289
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My God.

290
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Actually, I think he looks great, Wolf.

291
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Yeah, he does.

292
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But look at this ship.

293
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Like this ship is so stunningly beautiful.

294
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So this is the Bridge of the Titan.

295
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Everything is dark, like not too dark.

296
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There's heaps of, you know, actual lights in the frame and things.

297
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But just, you know, everyone's lit from below by their panels.

298
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Everyone's see those alcohols. displays then.

299
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It's beautiful.

300
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Yeah.

301
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And the colour scheme?

302
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But there's lights everywhere.

303
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There is lights everywhere, but the walls are black.

304
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And so you get the impression that this is taking place over one night.

305
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That's right.

306
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You could tell me till you're blue in a face about the innovation as to this set.

307
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I'm telling you now, those consoles are full of a quarry, all right?

308
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Still.

309
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

310
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No, it's rocks will come out.

311
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Why the hell is Czech Crusher murdering everybody like this?

312
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Yes, it's a dream.

313
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Was it a vision?

314
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No, I mean, you can see from the direction and staff.

315
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So this poor person crawling along the floor is a little Ensign Esma, bless her.

316
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Yes, but he knows who she is.

317
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She knows who I know what you really are.

318
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Yeah, but we don't.

319
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Oh, and see, is that Borg shit?

320
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You know, is that the red stuff?

321
00:23:57.480 --> 00:23:58.799
but the Borga green.

322
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So we don't know what it is.

323
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We can't tell.

324
00:24:01.140 --> 00:24:02.339
Turns out it's the Borg.

325
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Well, of course.

326
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Inevitably.

327
00:24:08.759 --> 00:24:11.519
We haven't done them enough yet, if I'm honest, you know?

328
00:24:11.640 --> 00:24:18.119
So they feature enormously in all 3 seasons of Star Trek Picard, and you have to kind of say, well, you know, okay.

329
00:24:18.359 --> 00:24:22.980
They didn't feature that much in DNG, but they are TNG's baby.

330
00:24:23.400 --> 00:24:26.519
I think I would have preferred you, though, had they just run with the changelings.

331
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Like, I know they, the changes were well explored in D Space 9.

332
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But I don't know.

333
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There's more leverage, I think.

334
00:24:34.200 --> 00:24:38.640
And it's interesting, the sort of revenge plot, isn't it, on the back of the war.

335
00:24:39.119 --> 00:24:42.299
But it's the Borg and the changelings teaming up.

336
00:24:42.359 --> 00:24:45.420
Yeah, I know. very implausible.

337
00:24:45.480 --> 00:24:47.460
It's like some dreadful comic, isn't it?

338
00:24:47.579 --> 00:24:50.279
Yeah, it's like a Batman sequel or something.

339
00:24:50.759 --> 00:24:52.319
The worst kind of fan way.

340
00:24:55.740 --> 00:24:58.319
I'll tell you what, we'll throw it in some bro as well.

341
00:24:58.380 --> 00:24:59.700
Maybe Shelby as well.

342
00:25:00.720 --> 00:25:01.140
Yeah.

343
00:25:01.140 --> 00:25:03.359
I love this ship.

344
00:25:03.420 --> 00:25:04.799
Doesn't it look beautiful again?

345
00:25:05.099 --> 00:25:08.339
We talked last time about how well the Defiant is lit.

346
00:25:08.579 --> 00:25:15.539
You know, how there are shadows across the defiant as it turns around and now here where we don't have to worry about a physical model.

347
00:25:16.079 --> 00:25:17.819
It just looks incredible, I think.

348
00:25:18.599 --> 00:25:23.220
I will never, ever criticise what Joe Ryan did on Star Trek Voyager.

349
00:25:23.279 --> 00:25:29.220
I think she's absolutely one of their assets, but giving her the chance to emote.

350
00:25:30.000 --> 00:25:31.259
It was such a great move.

351
00:25:32.220 --> 00:25:33.900
Yeah, she's great in this.

352
00:25:34.380 --> 00:25:37.200
Somehow she's more beautiful than she was 20 years ago.

353
00:25:39.059 --> 00:25:42.359
Well, she got like the picture of Dorian Gray or something like that.

354
00:25:42.720 --> 00:25:52.440
Yeah, I mean, she looks I think she looks like an older woman and but she just looks like a beautiful older woman, you know, like a, you know, I think she's terrific.

355
00:25:53.160 --> 00:25:55.259
You know, so Jack Crusher.

356
00:25:55.319 --> 00:25:58.559
Um, he he, the actor was in Downton Abbey, wasn't he?

357
00:25:58.799 --> 00:25:59.819
Oh, okay.

358
00:25:59.819 --> 00:26:01.559
Great role in Downton Abbey.

359
00:26:01.619 --> 00:26:03.059
He did a couple of series of that.

360
00:26:03.180 --> 00:26:07.680
So to watch him go from that sort of historical British drama to this in space.

361
00:26:07.680 --> 00:26:09.119
American science fiction show.

362
00:26:09.660 --> 00:26:12.299
It's a hell of a I think he's a good actor actually.

363
00:26:12.359 --> 00:26:16.920
I think it was a great choice putting Beverly's son in this season.

364
00:26:18.000 --> 00:26:18.779
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

365
00:26:18.839 --> 00:26:19.799
Yeah, I think it was too.

366
00:26:19.859 --> 00:26:23.220
And again, it gave them, it gave her a pass that we didn't know about.

367
00:26:23.279 --> 00:26:27.000
I love him reinstating her by igniting her, you know?

368
00:26:29.519 --> 00:26:31.079
Just a little tap on both shoulders.

369
00:26:31.559 --> 00:26:34.200
Yeah, and then because of the harrowing a deal, we just did.

370
00:26:34.259 --> 00:26:39.779
I am going to leave you 3 together so that you can get your bullshit story straight, which is so great.

371
00:26:40.019 --> 00:26:41.160
Look at the pair of them.

372
00:26:41.220 --> 00:26:42.660
They're so stiff next to him.

373
00:26:42.779 --> 00:26:44.400
He just sort of sorted out the room.

374
00:26:45.119 --> 00:26:47.339
Right, well, I better go and greet them then, you know.

375
00:26:49.559 --> 00:26:50.460
Oh, here we go.

376
00:26:50.519 --> 00:26:51.180
Here's gates.

377
00:26:51.539 --> 00:26:53.099
These gates, bless her.

378
00:26:55.380 --> 00:26:57.839
I hope she's done some good dancing in between then and now.

379
00:26:59.400 --> 00:27:01.319
Why do you think she doesn't have red hair?

380
00:27:01.859 --> 00:27:05.099
Why do you think they let, like, she doesn't die?

381
00:27:05.460 --> 00:27:06.359
She didn't want to?

382
00:27:06.420 --> 00:27:07.859
Yeah. don't know.

383
00:27:08.099 --> 00:27:09.059
Was he died before?

384
00:27:09.119 --> 00:27:09.779
Was it a wig?

385
00:27:10.140 --> 00:27:11.759
No, it was well, it was a wig.

386
00:27:11.819 --> 00:27:13.380
I think a band died as well.

387
00:27:13.440 --> 00:27:14.039
I don't know.

388
00:27:14.099 --> 00:27:15.480
I mean, they wanted, you know.

389
00:27:15.480 --> 00:27:16.440
Series one hair.

390
00:27:16.500 --> 00:27:18.839
I think that was her real hair, wasn't it?

391
00:27:18.900 --> 00:27:19.259
Right.

392
00:27:19.319 --> 00:27:19.799
I don't know.

393
00:27:19.859 --> 00:27:20.640
But yeah, yeah.

394
00:27:21.119 --> 00:27:22.980
No, I mean, I love the gray coming through.

395
00:27:23.279 --> 00:27:24.000
Oh, I don't.

396
00:27:24.000 --> 00:27:24.900
It's very striking.

397
00:27:25.079 --> 00:27:27.779
But then she had that in all good things, didn't she?

398
00:27:28.740 --> 00:27:34.019
But she also, no, she did have a bit of a gray streak, but she still had the red hair and all good things.

399
00:27:35.039 --> 00:27:39.180
And when she turns up, remember, we did the end of Star Trek.

400
00:27:39.180 --> 00:27:41.400
Prodigy, didn't we?

401
00:27:41.460 --> 00:27:42.000
Or did we?

402
00:27:42.240 --> 00:27:43.859
I've certainly watched it recently.

403
00:27:43.920 --> 00:27:45.299
I think we did do the end of it.

404
00:27:45.480 --> 00:27:47.039
And she's in it, remember?

405
00:27:47.099 --> 00:27:52.619
And Wesley gets introduced to Baby Jack Crusher. and she already has darker hair in that.

406
00:27:54.000 --> 00:27:58.500
I would have liked actually a bit more Wesley in this, you know, and the 2 brothers together.

407
00:27:58.559 --> 00:27:59.279
That would have been quite fun.

408
00:27:59.339 --> 00:27:59.940
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

409
00:27:59.940 --> 00:28:01.079
I bet Will would have been up for it.

410
00:28:01.559 --> 00:28:02.759
Yeah, they do meet though.

411
00:28:02.819 --> 00:28:06.059
Canonically, they do need a B end of prodigy, which is kind of sweet.

412
00:28:07.019 --> 00:28:10.980
But no, but it would be great to see Picard having to handle Wesley and Jack.

413
00:28:14.640 --> 00:28:16.319
I mean, I believe it as well.

414
00:28:16.380 --> 00:28:18.660
Like visually, I believe they are father and son.

415
00:28:19.259 --> 00:28:31.920
But this scene too, I think this is the scene that I was referring to before, where there is this awkwardness where he just holds out a little bit of hope, that, um, and then he turns around and he actually realises he has nothing to say.

416
00:28:32.880 --> 00:28:35.400
He can't, you know, he can't persuade him.

417
00:28:35.460 --> 00:28:37.380
He's not going to be able to persuade him.

418
00:28:37.440 --> 00:28:38.519
Starfleet's not for him.

419
00:28:39.180 --> 00:28:50.579
And we did see that flashback at the earlier, remember, in at the end of the previous episode where he was in the background of the bar, you know, and Picard was talking about how Starfleet was his only family.

420
00:28:52.079 --> 00:28:55.380
Now, this was this was where I was going, why are we doing this?

421
00:28:55.500 --> 00:28:57.420
Is this what this episode is about?

422
00:28:57.779 --> 00:29:04.559
And I know there is a whole subplot in this episode, and there was one rug pool, I'll be honest, that I thought was hilarious.

423
00:29:04.859 --> 00:29:09.059
Um, but a lot of it does just feel like running on the spot.

424
00:29:09.779 --> 00:29:10.259
Yeah.

425
00:29:10.319 --> 00:29:10.740
Yeah.

426
00:29:10.799 --> 00:29:16.680
And they they made the decision to bring Wharf in from the outside that he's not hanging out with them.

427
00:29:16.740 --> 00:29:21.779
And in fact, the whole gang has to kind of get together, which didn't happen in any of the previous films.

428
00:29:22.079 --> 00:29:23.759
That's a good movie, isn't it, though, I think?

429
00:29:23.940 --> 00:29:27.779
They've all gone off and done their own things and now, you know, slowly but surely.

430
00:29:27.839 --> 00:29:31.500
That means throughout the season, there's another punch the air moment every couple of episodes.

431
00:29:31.980 --> 00:29:32.759
Yeah, that's right.

432
00:29:32.819 --> 00:29:34.619
We still haven't seen Geordie or Deanna.

433
00:29:35.039 --> 00:29:36.420
How does Marina turn up?

434
00:29:36.480 --> 00:29:37.079
Can I ask?

435
00:29:37.740 --> 00:29:43.200
Oh, I can't remember, but I just remember that she, there's been a Changeling Riker.

436
00:29:43.740 --> 00:29:46.920
Uh, uh, and she realises that he wasn't real.

437
00:29:46.920 --> 00:29:50.279
Oh, because he was great in bed. isn't that it?

438
00:29:50.339 --> 00:29:50.940
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

439
00:29:52.259 --> 00:29:59.039
There's some light about him being great in bed and about Riker who is so cool that he just thinks that's hilarious.

440
00:29:59.700 --> 00:30:02.039
I should have known you've lasted at least 20 minutes.

441
00:30:04.920 --> 00:30:10.680
I want her to come in though and be like, you know, I sense great discontent or something like that.

442
00:30:10.740 --> 00:30:12.779
If we're going to do TNG all over again.

443
00:30:12.839 --> 00:30:13.200
Come on.

444
00:30:13.559 --> 00:30:17.099
She does actually come back and help Jack with the visions of the door.

445
00:30:17.279 --> 00:30:20.460
I think she helps to remember that.

446
00:30:20.940 --> 00:30:26.519
Was it her usual insipid psychobabble or is it new Kurtzman Trek psychology?

447
00:30:27.299 --> 00:30:28.200
Both, I think.

448
00:30:28.259 --> 00:30:28.559
Probably.

449
00:30:28.799 --> 00:30:29.400
Good, good.

450
00:30:29.400 --> 00:30:33.299
I really like Raffi.

451
00:30:34.200 --> 00:30:40.019
I don't understand why they keep jumping down into this sort of angsty drug riddle.

452
00:30:40.200 --> 00:30:42.660
Yeah, I was disappointed in it. at the beginning.

453
00:30:42.779 --> 00:30:48.240
Yeah, I was disappointed at the beginning because there's, isn't there a scene?

454
00:30:48.420 --> 00:30:50.099
There must be a scene in the series.

455
00:30:50.940 --> 00:30:51.359
Where is it?

456
00:30:51.599 --> 00:30:52.680
Is it series one?

457
00:30:52.859 --> 00:31:01.380
There's a scene where she meets her son and he doesn't want anything to do with her and she has a he has a wife or something and they're going to have a kid.

458
00:31:02.640 --> 00:31:04.319
And they get mentioned in this episode.

459
00:31:06.059 --> 00:31:10.799
Um, but here, like, it's as if she's, you know, still drug addicted.

460
00:31:10.859 --> 00:31:14.160
And the 1st time we saw her, she was just in the desert in an RV smoking weed.

461
00:31:14.220 --> 00:31:14.819
Do you know what I mean?

462
00:31:14.880 --> 00:31:15.900
She wasn't a drug addict.

463
00:31:16.019 --> 00:31:18.720
She had just retired and she was cool and stuff.

464
00:31:19.019 --> 00:31:21.119
But this was a little bit more tragic.

465
00:31:21.660 --> 00:31:23.880
That scene where she was in that facility.

466
00:31:23.940 --> 00:31:25.680
Sorry, it was happening with her family.

467
00:31:26.099 --> 00:31:27.779
It was all very angsty.

468
00:31:27.839 --> 00:31:35.579
And yeah, when she gets to do fun things with 7 or 9 in series two, They go around in the cars and having speed chases and try to get into places.

469
00:31:35.640 --> 00:31:36.900
It's robbing people.

470
00:31:37.259 --> 00:31:38.460
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

471
00:31:38.460 --> 00:31:39.839
And snogging, of course, as well.

472
00:31:39.900 --> 00:31:40.920
Yeah, yeah, very hot.

473
00:31:40.980 --> 00:31:41.519
Yeah.

474
00:31:41.519 --> 00:31:42.240
Yeah.

475
00:31:42.420 --> 00:31:44.759
But, like, I'm glad that we still have her.

476
00:31:45.059 --> 00:31:47.700
I'm glad that, you know, of the original cast.

477
00:31:48.539 --> 00:31:50.460
We still have her and seven.

478
00:31:50.880 --> 00:31:52.380
I would have kept real.

479
00:31:52.740 --> 00:31:54.359
Yeah, I love it.

480
00:31:54.539 --> 00:31:57.299
You know, actually, you just missed.

481
00:31:57.359 --> 00:32:03.359
So there was a list of people, Starfleet intelligence records, and we're looking up this guy, Krin, who they're just going to go and fight.

482
00:32:03.660 --> 00:32:08.460
He's related to the guy, the Ferengi whose head they cut off in episode one or 2 or whatever.

483
00:32:09.000 --> 00:32:15.779
But Maud of Luria was listed as one of the people on that on the list of names there.

484
00:32:16.559 --> 00:32:17.880
We salute you more.

485
00:32:18.000 --> 00:32:18.359
Yeah.

486
00:32:18.359 --> 00:32:19.920
A little touch to you.

487
00:32:19.980 --> 00:32:24.420
Although we have seen a few of Morn's race, haven't we, in Discovery and things like that?

488
00:32:24.480 --> 00:32:27.240
Well, they wasn't he running over a battlefield at one point?

489
00:32:27.539 --> 00:32:33.720
So in series 3, episode one, I think we get to see them or yeah, series 3, episode one.

490
00:32:33.779 --> 00:32:35.579
And makeup's still quite similar, isn't it?

491
00:32:35.700 --> 00:32:37.140
I mean you can't really change that, can you?

492
00:32:37.319 --> 00:32:41.279
No, and they're allurians in prodigy as well, I think.

493
00:32:42.059 --> 00:32:43.740
I think there might be Allurian Cadan.

494
00:32:44.579 --> 00:32:50.099
This move here of having, obviously, it's an interior exterior set, but having all the snow.

495
00:32:50.400 --> 00:32:52.619
So it's really atmospheric is fabulous.

496
00:32:52.680 --> 00:32:54.839
In fact, it does remind me a little bit of broken bow.

497
00:32:54.900 --> 00:32:55.440
Do you remember?

498
00:32:55.440 --> 00:32:59.519
when they had the interior exterior there and they brought in the snow to.

499
00:32:59.579 --> 00:33:01.920
But here we could do snow a bit better now.

500
00:33:01.980 --> 00:33:06.539
It's sort of wafts now rather than sort of spewing out of the snow machine like we did back then.

501
00:33:07.079 --> 00:33:07.920
It looks really good.

502
00:33:07.980 --> 00:33:09.839
I mean, I think that it does look really good.

503
00:33:09.900 --> 00:33:12.599
We perhaps see a little bit too much of the set sometimes.

504
00:33:12.779 --> 00:33:14.940
Like the long shots are a bit, you know.

505
00:33:16.319 --> 00:33:18.960
No, because we're trying to make it feel like TNG, aren't we?

506
00:33:19.019 --> 00:33:21.480
So we've got to see our art, for sure, always.

507
00:33:23.460 --> 00:33:24.539
Oh, here we go.

508
00:33:25.079 --> 00:33:26.400
Roe has arrived.

509
00:33:26.880 --> 00:33:27.299
Yep.

510
00:33:27.420 --> 00:33:32.759
So this is the USS Intrepid, and it looks like, look at those 2 ships.

511
00:33:33.059 --> 00:33:35.099
Like just that shot with those 2 ships.

512
00:33:35.400 --> 00:33:41.880
How the ship sort of zooms in, all of a sudden, and then the camera slowly pulls away.

513
00:33:41.940 --> 00:33:42.660
Yeah, it's beautiful.

514
00:33:42.660 --> 00:33:44.640
Dynamic and stylish.

515
00:33:45.119 --> 00:33:48.359
Yep, and the lighting and the fact that there's stars and lens flares.

516
00:33:48.359 --> 00:33:50.940
Just in case we weren't sure they were having a face-off.

517
00:33:51.299 --> 00:33:52.140
Yeah, yeah.

518
00:33:52.200 --> 00:33:53.099
It looks so good.

519
00:33:53.099 --> 00:33:54.720
It does a complete 180.

520
00:33:55.019 --> 00:33:56.640
So we can see them facing each other.

521
00:33:57.000 --> 00:33:58.259
Yeah, it's just terrific.

522
00:33:58.380 --> 00:34:02.339
Oh, sure, you are about to vanish for the rest of the episode and that makes me sad.

523
00:34:02.819 --> 00:34:03.839
Yeah, he's really good.

524
00:34:06.180 --> 00:34:07.440
He's got lovely eyes.

525
00:34:08.159 --> 00:34:08.820
He's great.

526
00:34:09.059 --> 00:34:11.340
I love There's a Vulcan on board the ship.

527
00:34:11.400 --> 00:34:13.440
I think she's half Falcon and half Delton.

528
00:34:14.159 --> 00:34:18.780
She's a really striking looking Vulcan with a shaved head and she's not in it.

529
00:34:18.840 --> 00:34:20.460
She doesn't last the whole season.

530
00:34:20.519 --> 00:34:22.019
I think she gets killed at some point.

531
00:34:22.619 --> 00:34:23.940
But she's really terrific.

532
00:34:24.420 --> 00:34:27.300
Just that exchange there. can I ask you one more favour?

533
00:34:27.360 --> 00:34:29.820
She just looks up at him and goes, you better do it while you can.

534
00:34:32.519 --> 00:34:35.280
She wouldn't have had a line like that back in Voyager, was she?

535
00:34:37.800 --> 00:34:42.239
She would have said something like, this is not the optimal time, Captain Jane Ware or something like that.

536
00:34:45.179 --> 00:34:46.440
Look a short list.

537
00:34:46.800 --> 00:34:48.780
No, he's humming, just to annoy them.

538
00:34:50.099 --> 00:34:50.760
With this.

539
00:34:50.820 --> 00:34:52.800
We've saved the galaxy a few times.

540
00:34:52.980 --> 00:34:54.659
You know, yeah, we're good guys.

541
00:34:54.659 --> 00:34:57.059
And then he goes back and goes...

542
00:34:57.539 --> 00:35:01.860
Insurrection, generations and all good things.

543
00:35:04.139 --> 00:35:06.000
I wish they'd mentioned justice, please.

544
00:35:06.719 --> 00:35:10.800
Do you remember when you pissed off the Edo God by beaming out Wesley Crusher?

545
00:35:11.340 --> 00:35:12.300
Oh my god.

546
00:35:12.719 --> 00:35:13.860
He is so wonderful.

547
00:35:16.739 --> 00:35:18.539
Look at the 2 of them either side of him.

548
00:35:18.599 --> 00:35:20.940
I mean, it's just bug up their butt as they've ever looked.

549
00:35:21.119 --> 00:35:22.079
Yeah, yeah.

550
00:35:23.760 --> 00:35:25.139
He's absolutely winning.

551
00:35:27.179 --> 00:35:32.280
But they lie in that final line where he just goes, ah, those were the taste.

552
00:35:32.280 --> 00:35:34.800
Those days when we're endangering the universe.

553
00:35:34.860 --> 00:35:35.760
Isn't this sad?

554
00:35:36.000 --> 00:35:38.159
Can I just say this beautiful corridor, Sam?

555
00:35:38.699 --> 00:35:40.800
Oh, and he's the shell four.

556
00:35:40.920 --> 00:35:42.960
We can only say it in a Star Trek podcast.

557
00:35:43.019 --> 00:35:44.519
This beautiful corridor set.

558
00:35:47.340 --> 00:35:48.420
Oh, look at her.

559
00:35:48.480 --> 00:35:49.440
Oh she's magnificent.

560
00:35:50.579 --> 00:35:55.019
No, she's done Battle Styles to Galactica now, so we've seen her as a total cunt, you know?

561
00:35:55.320 --> 00:35:56.820
Yeah, she's awesome in that.

562
00:35:56.940 --> 00:35:58.139
Just tremendous.

563
00:35:58.440 --> 00:35:59.159
Terrifying.

564
00:35:59.159 --> 00:36:00.539
Yeah, yeah.

565
00:36:00.599 --> 00:36:01.320
Yeah, really scary.

566
00:36:01.980 --> 00:36:05.039
Do you remember the camera zooming around at the end of the episode?

567
00:36:05.099 --> 00:36:09.599
The cliffhanger where they're about to fire on each other and she ain't backing down.

568
00:36:09.659 --> 00:36:13.739
She went to watch that show again. magnificently in that, she was. so good.

569
00:36:13.980 --> 00:36:17.519
I could, I could see why, baby, why, she did a few episodes of TNG.

570
00:36:17.579 --> 00:36:20.940
Yeah, my talents aren't being used to that for this extent, yeah.

571
00:36:21.119 --> 00:36:22.139
Yeah, it's really strong.

572
00:36:22.980 --> 00:36:25.500
How wonderful because I don't think she needs this now.

573
00:36:26.460 --> 00:36:30.059
So I think she's agreed to come and do this as a okay, let's polish this off.

574
00:36:30.599 --> 00:36:31.019
Yeah.

575
00:36:31.139 --> 00:36:43.559
And I think it's really good because, I mean, this is, you know, we've had the 1st plot and we've had our 1st encounter with the Shrike and with Vatic and so on and we've won and we gave birth to a whole bunch of squid.

576
00:36:44.280 --> 00:36:44.880
You know?

577
00:36:45.119 --> 00:36:48.239
And then that's very TNG as well, you know.

578
00:36:48.300 --> 00:36:48.599
Yeah.

579
00:36:48.659 --> 00:36:49.800
Well, yeah, it's in Canada.

580
00:36:49.800 --> 00:36:51.780
Sometimes jellyfish, sometimes...

581
00:36:52.320 --> 00:36:58.980
And so and so now we've got to send them off in another direction and in order to motivate that.

582
00:36:59.039 --> 00:37:04.800
You've got, you've got her and it's her death and her closer relationship with Picard.

583
00:37:04.860 --> 00:37:07.320
It's impossible to imagine anyone being a better choice.

584
00:37:08.579 --> 00:37:09.780
I love this scene.

585
00:37:09.900 --> 00:37:17.340
So, Sydney is here looking at the dead changeling Sydney and...

586
00:37:17.340 --> 00:37:22.079
Can you verify that's not you and she vomits and it falls over?

587
00:37:22.920 --> 00:37:25.920
Beverly says for the record, we'll say that was yes.

588
00:37:26.639 --> 00:37:34.380
I think this is the moment where Beverly looks straight out the screen and warns us all that there's a changeling infiltrator on the ship.

589
00:37:34.860 --> 00:37:36.360
Keep an eye on her, all right?

590
00:37:37.679 --> 00:37:41.159
She goes, it could be anywhere or anyone.

591
00:37:41.880 --> 00:37:42.480
Perfect.

592
00:37:43.320 --> 00:37:44.099
Thanks, Beverly.

593
00:37:44.159 --> 00:37:44.400
Thank you.

594
00:37:44.460 --> 00:37:47.280
We weren't paying attention in DS9, you know.

595
00:37:48.539 --> 00:37:49.800
What, vacantly?

596
00:37:51.360 --> 00:37:52.800
Do you know what killed me as well?

597
00:37:52.860 --> 00:37:56.699
You know, in all of this sort of TNG loving that we're doing all 90s trek loving.

598
00:37:57.000 --> 00:38:04.079
You know, the officer coming on the ship and saying, there is a conspiracy at the heart of Starfleet.

599
00:38:04.139 --> 00:38:06.420
Well we did that a few times in TNG, didn't we?

600
00:38:06.480 --> 00:38:07.139
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

601
00:38:07.199 --> 00:38:10.920
And then when they go, yeah, there's changeling infiltrators in Starfleet headquarters.

602
00:38:10.980 --> 00:38:13.380
I was like, we've done that 2 par in DS9.

603
00:38:13.980 --> 00:38:14.639
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

604
00:38:14.940 --> 00:38:15.360
Yeah.

605
00:38:15.780 --> 00:38:18.599
And what I like is that I do it from within the ship.

606
00:38:18.659 --> 00:38:21.780
So we don't see earth, we don't go to earth to deal with it.

607
00:38:21.840 --> 00:38:25.739
We're still basically a show on a big federation starship.

608
00:38:27.059 --> 00:38:30.179
They can't afford Earth and your beautiful corridor, all right?

609
00:38:30.239 --> 00:38:31.260
No, that's probably true.

610
00:38:31.800 --> 00:38:32.639
I think that's it.

611
00:38:32.940 --> 00:38:33.780
Yeah, yeah.

612
00:38:33.840 --> 00:38:37.440
But I wish at that point, I was thinking there are no new ideas here.

613
00:38:37.619 --> 00:38:40.739
Like, we are literally cherry.

614
00:38:40.800 --> 00:38:43.619
I think lower decks gets away with it because it's a comedy. you know?

615
00:38:43.679 --> 00:38:44.340
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

616
00:38:44.400 --> 00:38:47.159
But then even there, I think there was quite a bit of innovation at times.

617
00:38:47.460 --> 00:38:48.480
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

618
00:38:48.539 --> 00:38:51.300
And they did do new things and they made fun of stuff.

619
00:38:51.360 --> 00:39:10.079
But I think, you know, like, I think here, this is, like, this is new in the sense, not that, you know, the idea of changeling infiltrators is new, because anytime you get changed, things, they're going to be infiltrators, like, whatever, and, you know, let's play our greatest hits for our last thing with Picard in it.

620
00:39:10.320 --> 00:39:11.639
But just how it's done.

621
00:39:11.820 --> 00:39:15.960
You know, again, like I've said before, part of the executed.

622
00:39:16.019 --> 00:39:20.280
Yeah, part of the joy of this is seeing this done with good lighting.

623
00:39:20.460 --> 00:39:22.739
It's like deep space night only with good lighting.

624
00:39:23.460 --> 00:39:29.639
Well, yeah, but that was Deep Spaceline with great Deep Space 9 characters. brilliant Deep Space 9 villains, you know?

625
00:39:29.940 --> 00:39:30.780
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

626
00:39:30.840 --> 00:39:33.300
Well, we have Amanda Plummer, and we have Roy Lauren.

627
00:39:33.360 --> 00:39:34.559
We're doing okay, I think, here.

628
00:39:34.920 --> 00:39:39.900
Well, yeah, but I mean, that this villain towards the end of the episode, this Vulcan that comes in.

629
00:39:40.079 --> 00:39:42.719
Yeah, Vulcan gangster for some reason.

630
00:39:43.860 --> 00:39:48.599
He tries to find a logical reason as to why he's a gangster, but I'm not sure I was sold.

631
00:39:48.960 --> 00:39:49.920
I kind of like that.

632
00:39:50.039 --> 00:39:52.199
I did think that was kind of funny.

633
00:39:52.679 --> 00:39:54.659
Oh, watch these scenes say sizzle.

634
00:39:56.159 --> 00:39:57.780
Yeah, it reminds me of.

635
00:39:57.840 --> 00:40:08.639
It reminds me of those scenes between Cisco and Picard and Emissary, you know, two. people that knew each other and then last time they met, it was a very dramatic moment for them both.

636
00:40:10.260 --> 00:40:14.820
And Eddington and Cisco, I think he made a comparison before as well.

637
00:40:15.239 --> 00:40:18.300
You know, literally someone who defected to the mechanic.

638
00:40:18.360 --> 00:40:22.380
Yeah, and she does have lines that are very Eddington.

639
00:40:22.500 --> 00:40:23.280
Is it in this?

640
00:40:23.340 --> 00:40:24.420
No, it's in the bar, isn't it?

641
00:40:24.480 --> 00:40:25.619
So I'll wait till we get there.

642
00:40:26.400 --> 00:40:31.019
See, we're doing, we cut ourselves, like, way of warrior to proof, we're not changelings.

643
00:40:31.260 --> 00:40:33.239
I know, I know, but it is all stuff.

644
00:40:33.480 --> 00:40:35.519
All I'm saying is all stuff we've seen before.

645
00:40:36.179 --> 00:40:48.659
But, but the thing is that we've learned already that that's not going to work, that Beverly has discovered that they could pass the blood test and then we see the blood test being conducted.

646
00:40:48.900 --> 00:40:50.039
Well, we learned that.

647
00:40:50.039 --> 00:40:50.940
And G-face Stone.

648
00:40:51.780 --> 00:40:54.960
I was a really smart ship shifter a really good one.

649
00:40:55.559 --> 00:41:00.179
Yeah, but we're not going to remember every detail of...

650
00:41:00.179 --> 00:41:02.219
We are going to remember that.

651
00:41:02.760 --> 00:41:13.019
And also, I think, and it's kind of interesting, is that there's kind of this sense in which what happened with the changelings has changed security forever.

652
00:41:13.019 --> 00:41:17.820
And we're releasing this episode on the 25th anniversary of 9-11.

653
00:41:18.719 --> 00:41:29.039
And think about the way going through an airport, you know, or just American politics generally has changed as a result of that.

654
00:41:29.400 --> 00:41:38.340
And so we're still doing the blood thing, even, you know, we're still doing that blood thing even now, 30 years after the Dominion War or whatever.

655
00:41:39.119 --> 00:41:44.639
Can I ask you, is it your occasional lover, the ball queen that's communicating with Jack Rusher right now?

656
00:41:45.420 --> 00:41:46.679
No, I don't think so.

657
00:41:47.039 --> 00:41:50.039
She's going, connect me, Jack, connect me.

658
00:41:51.480 --> 00:41:52.440
Who's talking to him then?

659
00:41:52.500 --> 00:41:53.280
I can't remember.

660
00:41:53.579 --> 00:41:54.539
Sounds like Beverly.

661
00:41:55.920 --> 00:41:57.179
I thought it might be Vatic.

662
00:41:57.480 --> 00:41:58.440
I can't even tell.

663
00:41:58.800 --> 00:41:59.460
I can't remember.

664
00:41:59.880 --> 00:42:01.320
Well, because it's the Borg, though.

665
00:42:01.980 --> 00:42:03.239
Given the visions, right?

666
00:42:03.300 --> 00:42:04.380
Not the changelings.

667
00:42:04.800 --> 00:42:05.219
No.

668
00:42:05.460 --> 00:42:05.880
No.

669
00:42:06.539 --> 00:42:08.099
Who plays the ball queen at the end?

670
00:42:08.579 --> 00:42:09.480
I can't remember.

671
00:42:09.900 --> 00:42:11.219
Is it Susanna Thompson?

672
00:42:11.280 --> 00:42:11.639
Is she back?

673
00:42:11.760 --> 00:42:13.619
No, it's not Susanna Thompson.

674
00:42:14.519 --> 00:42:15.599
Why is she still acting?

675
00:42:15.659 --> 00:42:16.739
She does doctor audio.

676
00:42:16.980 --> 00:42:19.559
She was the she was like the terrible Borg queen, though.

677
00:42:20.579 --> 00:42:21.659
The wet fish one.

678
00:42:21.719 --> 00:42:22.019
Yeah.

679
00:42:22.079 --> 00:42:23.340
Timu ball queen.

680
00:42:24.000 --> 00:42:25.739
Oh, harsh team.

681
00:42:25.800 --> 00:42:26.460
Did they get?

682
00:42:26.519 --> 00:42:27.360
Did they get...

683
00:42:27.539 --> 00:42:30.179
Do they get, do they get Alice Craig back?

684
00:42:31.139 --> 00:42:32.880
Oh, they probably should.

685
00:42:32.940 --> 00:42:33.300
Yeah.

686
00:42:33.480 --> 00:42:34.500
I think they probably do.

687
00:42:34.739 --> 00:42:35.760
You should't remember.

688
00:42:35.820 --> 00:42:37.079
I can't remember.

689
00:42:37.860 --> 00:42:41.340
Jack, you know, you are pretty, but we've just had Roe Lara back.

690
00:42:41.400 --> 00:42:42.900
Can we please focus on her for a bit?

691
00:42:43.440 --> 00:42:50.340
Yeah, so this Jack thing we're just sort of setting up the new changeling plot, which is also why Roe is here as well, I guess.

692
00:42:51.179 --> 00:42:53.159
And we remember roping these guys in.

693
00:42:54.059 --> 00:42:55.559
Is this the fight scene now?

694
00:42:55.619 --> 00:42:59.699
Well, they had the big fights. does his very melodramatic, Oh no, I've died.

695
00:43:00.780 --> 00:43:06.480
Do you know, I didn't know because this is the show that brings back legacy characters and kills them.

696
00:43:07.440 --> 00:43:10.139
And I thought this did a pretty good job of selling it.

697
00:43:10.320 --> 00:43:15.239
They were going to do it, but for a second, I just thought, wow, are they really going through with this?

698
00:43:15.300 --> 00:43:16.079
That's such a bad idea.

699
00:43:16.440 --> 00:43:17.519
I choose Michael.

700
00:43:17.579 --> 00:43:18.539
They choose gates.

701
00:43:20.219 --> 00:43:21.480
I'll never stop saying it.

702
00:43:22.260 --> 00:43:23.280
Poor old goats.

703
00:43:25.260 --> 00:43:26.519
Well, that guy's got a look.

704
00:43:26.760 --> 00:43:30.059
I see what you mean about the set there. yeah you could see quite a lot of it.

705
00:43:30.539 --> 00:43:32.159
Yeah, I think you see too much of it.

706
00:43:32.880 --> 00:43:36.719
Although, look, they've got sort of sort of club lighting going on here.

707
00:43:37.440 --> 00:43:38.340
Yeah, yeah.

708
00:43:38.639 --> 00:43:39.000
Yeah.

709
00:43:39.659 --> 00:43:41.039
Oh, I think that that's a thing.

710
00:43:41.099 --> 00:43:50.219
I think that they try and make it look like a contemporary nightclub whenever it's kind of like, you know, I mean, we were doing that in as far back as tapestry, I think.

711
00:43:50.940 --> 00:43:54.239
And this is another pretty long scene.

712
00:43:54.360 --> 00:43:58.800
So we've sort of introduced Rowan Picard, and then we wait about 10 minutes.

713
00:43:58.800 --> 00:43:59.699
Yeah, for this to happen.

714
00:43:59.699 --> 00:44:01.739
Get any more scenes with them.

715
00:44:02.579 --> 00:44:22.800
But I suppose that is, like, I think you can level the same criticism at the final 10 episodes of DS9 where you'll have 4 or 5 plots running along in an episode and you do, if you've got a favourite plot, well, I'm sorry, you've got to wait for the other 4 to go on before you get back to your one.

716
00:44:23.219 --> 00:44:25.500
But I think that's the unique thing about this episode.

717
00:44:25.739 --> 00:44:27.840
So I just feel like it needs more focus.

718
00:44:28.559 --> 00:44:28.980
Yeah.

719
00:44:29.340 --> 00:44:31.019
I just wonder why they're doing this.

720
00:44:31.079 --> 00:44:40.440
Like, I, obviously, they need to give Raffi and and um, Worf something to do, and we want to hold off introducing everyone at the same time.

721
00:44:41.579 --> 00:44:44.519
Oh, we never saw Beverly doing this back in the day, did we?

722
00:44:44.579 --> 00:44:45.780
With loads of bloody organs.

723
00:44:46.860 --> 00:44:47.699
Oh, look at that.

724
00:44:48.059 --> 00:44:49.440
Oh, it's grim, isn't it?

725
00:44:49.500 --> 00:44:50.340
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

726
00:44:51.780 --> 00:44:53.699
There, it literally looks like shop liver.

727
00:44:53.760 --> 00:44:54.420
Yeah, definitely.

728
00:44:54.420 --> 00:44:55.500
Chop liver.

729
00:44:55.559 --> 00:44:56.039
Don't do it.

730
00:44:56.099 --> 00:44:58.079
No, no, I...

731
00:44:58.139 --> 00:45:00.780
It's a British staple with loads of gravy.

732
00:45:01.380 --> 00:45:03.119
I only eat skeletal muscle.

733
00:45:04.019 --> 00:45:04.739
Is that right?

734
00:45:05.219 --> 00:45:06.360
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

735
00:45:06.780 --> 00:45:08.639
No wonder we're so miserable over it.

736
00:45:10.800 --> 00:45:11.699
Never onions.

737
00:45:11.760 --> 00:45:12.179
There you go.

738
00:45:12.239 --> 00:45:12.900
There's a line.

739
00:45:13.260 --> 00:45:14.400
We won't never know.

740
00:45:14.460 --> 00:45:16.380
She looks very slack jawed there, though, doesn't she?

741
00:45:16.800 --> 00:45:17.639
Oh, I missed it.

742
00:45:18.000 --> 00:45:18.659
You missed it.

743
00:45:18.719 --> 00:45:19.860
Yeah, absolutely missed it.

744
00:45:19.920 --> 00:45:21.420
Is that where she looks out the camera, that bit.

745
00:45:21.900 --> 00:45:31.199
But she looks very kind of open-mouthed, you know, like, whereas, whereas poor old Ensign Rowe is much, much fiercer and angrier, isn't she?

746
00:45:31.440 --> 00:45:34.260
I think Marino would have gone for it more, that lion, you know.

747
00:45:34.440 --> 00:45:37.079
She would have given her some melodrama, some willing.

748
00:45:37.260 --> 00:45:39.780
Marina's fun, I think, when she finally turns up in this.

749
00:45:40.920 --> 00:45:50.340
I love the fact as well that I'm not sure the dialogue is saying it, but I think Patrick Stewart's saying it as in you betrayed me.

750
00:45:50.760 --> 00:45:53.099
I gave you a chance and you betrayed me.

751
00:45:53.159 --> 00:45:53.880
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

752
00:45:54.300 --> 00:45:56.460
We were talking about with Eddington last week, wasn't it?

753
00:45:57.179 --> 00:45:58.260
That was that was it.

754
00:45:58.320 --> 00:46:09.360
And that's why she broke his heart because she betrayed him and he broke her heart because she didn't he didn't trust her to make the right decision.

755
00:46:10.559 --> 00:46:19.079
How like the next generation to present a twist like that in its penultimate episode and then not have to deal with the concept.

756
00:46:19.139 --> 00:46:19.980
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

757
00:46:20.280 --> 00:46:22.139
Well, I mean, that was always going to be her last episode.

758
00:46:22.199 --> 00:46:23.460
That was really her gone.

759
00:46:23.519 --> 00:46:24.480
You could have been around.

760
00:46:24.599 --> 00:46:26.460
No fucking clue this was coming 30 years later.

761
00:46:27.119 --> 00:46:27.900
No, we didn't.

762
00:46:27.960 --> 00:46:29.519
No idea. grief.

763
00:46:31.440 --> 00:46:39.719
I mean, if you would ever have told me that the whole TNG crew would be back on that hideous set by the end of this, making fun of the carpet.

764
00:46:42.179 --> 00:46:42.960
I can't remember.

765
00:46:43.019 --> 00:46:45.599
Do they do that shot from the viewscreen of them all in it?

766
00:46:46.079 --> 00:46:47.219
Oh, yeah, in their position.

767
00:46:47.699 --> 00:46:48.420
I think they do.

768
00:46:48.539 --> 00:46:55.320
But it's just the moment where Patrick Stewart bursts out laughing at his own line about the carpet.

769
00:46:55.559 --> 00:46:58.380
You know, like, um, that that's the thing that he missed.

770
00:46:58.739 --> 00:47:06.539
And, you know, we've just been on board this glossy ship with all of its reflective surfaces and we're back to the enterprise and its carpet.

771
00:47:07.260 --> 00:47:08.219
I love this.

772
00:47:08.460 --> 00:47:10.199
This is a great backstory.

773
00:47:10.260 --> 00:47:12.300
Her saying, you know, I was arrested.

774
00:47:12.360 --> 00:47:13.679
I was court-martialled.

775
00:47:13.739 --> 00:47:17.280
I went to prison, but because of my expertise with terrorist groups.

776
00:47:17.579 --> 00:47:20.219
I was seconded into Starfleet intelligence.

777
00:47:20.579 --> 00:47:27.000
And this is that sort of mucky federation that I absolutely loved in DS9.

778
00:47:27.179 --> 00:47:30.960
You know, they're willing to work with ex-terrorists in order to get the advantage.

779
00:47:31.440 --> 00:47:33.360
And it's credible as well.

780
00:47:33.420 --> 00:47:51.539
Like, it works, that actually works, and, you know, this wasn't her trajectory when she left, she was off to join the McKeon was never going to be part of Starfleet again, and you need to get her back in Starfleet for her to be, you know, what if it had been Admiral Nacheev who come back?

781
00:47:52.260 --> 00:47:53.579
I mean, I would have been there for it.

782
00:47:53.760 --> 00:47:55.739
I would have been there for that. would have been pretty awesome.

783
00:47:56.039 --> 00:47:58.739
Poor old Picard, he would have been so cowed, wouldn't he?

784
00:47:58.800 --> 00:48:01.320
No, anyone but Admiral Macheus.

785
00:48:03.599 --> 00:48:07.980
And then she crashes her shuttle into the into the Nasselle.

786
00:48:08.460 --> 00:48:11.519
She might have been my favourite recurring character on TNG.

787
00:48:12.119 --> 00:48:16.920
How she feiced because nuts every time she turned up. was just great.

788
00:48:20.280 --> 00:48:21.840
Let's step into the holodeck.

789
00:48:23.880 --> 00:48:26.639
But look at these scenes as shock.

790
00:48:26.639 --> 00:48:27.780
Amazing.

791
00:48:28.500 --> 00:48:31.559
I mean, they were always great on TNG these days, yeah.

792
00:48:31.619 --> 00:48:33.420
Right back as far as Enson Rowe.

793
00:48:34.320 --> 00:48:36.840
And they do have a wonderful scene in pre-enter structure.

794
00:48:36.900 --> 00:48:40.139
Remember, where they're talking about intelligence, but they've got to pretend to be lovers.

795
00:48:40.139 --> 00:48:46.199
Stroking each other's hair and snogging.

796
00:48:46.260 --> 00:48:46.679
Wow.

797
00:48:48.059 --> 00:48:48.960
Patrick went beautiful.

798
00:48:49.019 --> 00:48:50.039
Can you get her back?

799
00:48:50.099 --> 00:48:52.079
I've got fond memories of Michelle Forbes.

800
00:48:54.119 --> 00:48:55.139
I love this bar.

801
00:48:55.199 --> 00:48:56.280
Look at the lighting on the bar.

802
00:48:56.400 --> 00:48:57.239
It's wonderful.

803
00:48:57.420 --> 00:48:59.039
He turns the holiday safeties off.

804
00:49:00.840 --> 00:49:01.679
There's a button.

805
00:49:04.440 --> 00:49:07.619
It's just like, this is how 10 forward should have looked.

806
00:49:08.340 --> 00:49:09.780
That's exactly what I thought.

807
00:49:09.840 --> 00:49:11.159
It should have looked like this.

808
00:49:11.639 --> 00:49:20.460
And in fact, I think that that swirly thing behind the bar is a reference to that sort of brown sort of swirly thing behind the bar in 10 forward.

809
00:49:21.059 --> 00:49:24.780
And it's sort of, it is sort of how quarks works, isn't it?

810
00:49:24.840 --> 00:49:29.099
Because, you know, you have all the coloured drinks behind the thing at quarks all the way up and that.

811
00:49:30.239 --> 00:49:35.940
But it's just the kind of depth of field, you know, just the way it's shot, the way it shot like an iron.

812
00:49:36.539 --> 00:49:38.519
It's just practical lighting everywhere.

813
00:49:38.579 --> 00:49:40.440
So every shore. is so interesting.

814
00:49:41.159 --> 00:49:41.940
Oh, yeah, yeah.

815
00:49:42.000 --> 00:49:46.739
I think that's true, but I also think that, you know, there's there's just sort of more real detail as well.

816
00:49:48.000 --> 00:49:52.619
Oh, yeah, see, I didn't like this line either, where he said about, oh, you've taken your earring off.

817
00:49:52.860 --> 00:49:55.500
Have you betrayed another institution as well?

818
00:49:55.559 --> 00:49:57.719
And I was like, come on now, don't come after a religion.

819
00:49:58.860 --> 00:50:00.059
Poor show, Picard.

820
00:50:01.380 --> 00:50:02.340
But he's cross.

821
00:50:02.400 --> 00:50:04.500
You say ugly things when you cross.

822
00:50:05.880 --> 00:50:15.300
Yeah, I mean, I think that the thing was, because we get the point where he realised that she didn't have to wear the earring because of her religion.

823
00:50:16.500 --> 00:50:23.219
She bore it to piss him off, you know, essentially, as a way of being insubordinate.

824
00:50:23.579 --> 00:50:30.239
Um, And and she's right about him, isn't she?

825
00:50:30.780 --> 00:50:33.840
What, saying that it was conditional, their relationship?

826
00:50:34.260 --> 00:50:36.119
No, no, I don't think that's it at all.

827
00:50:36.179 --> 00:50:39.119
I don't think that that, although, you know, she's right to say that.

828
00:50:39.179 --> 00:50:43.019
You know, if he rejects her, he's angry at her for choosing a different path.

829
00:50:43.920 --> 00:50:47.579
You broke my heart and you broke mine.

830
00:50:48.000 --> 00:50:50.699
It's so good in different ways.

831
00:50:51.599 --> 00:50:54.239
So I was like, no, you're misremembering all of this.

832
00:50:54.300 --> 00:50:55.199
And then it got to that line.

833
00:50:55.260 --> 00:50:57.539
I was like, oh, yeah, no, that works.

834
00:50:57.840 --> 00:50:58.679
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

835
00:50:59.280 --> 00:51:00.719
That really properly works.

836
00:51:01.079 --> 00:51:09.239
And and then suddenly he kind of realises that there's been 30 years where he's been angry at her and that's terrible.

837
00:51:09.840 --> 00:51:15.900
You know, like, like, and this too, the fact that they can inflict this pain on each other.

838
00:51:15.960 --> 00:51:17.099
Look at her, she's tearing up.

839
00:51:17.159 --> 00:51:18.420
It's Ensign Rowe.

840
00:51:18.960 --> 00:51:24.480
You know, um, uh, You know, they, they know they must be real.

841
00:51:24.539 --> 00:51:25.440
They have to be real.

842
00:51:26.099 --> 00:51:27.960
I was good, oh, such a roller coaster.

843
00:51:28.019 --> 00:51:30.300
So I was annoyed that they were sort of misremembering row.

844
00:51:30.360 --> 00:51:32.099
I love the scene about the broken hearts.

845
00:51:32.159 --> 00:51:35.639
Then I was annoyed again about infiltrators in Starfleet.

846
00:51:35.699 --> 00:51:38.280
I was like, bloody hell, this episode is up and down for me.

847
00:51:40.559 --> 00:51:50.940
But you know, I just think this is probably the best a character back from the past in terms of performances that you get this season.

848
00:51:51.300 --> 00:51:52.079
Yeah, I think so.

849
00:51:53.039 --> 00:51:57.000
Because, you know, you know the chemistry between the TNG crew is going to be great.

850
00:51:57.059 --> 00:51:59.219
They're all going to come together and we're all going to...

851
00:51:59.219 --> 00:52:00.960
It's going to be fun flies in our stomach.

852
00:52:01.139 --> 00:52:01.559
Exactly.

853
00:52:02.460 --> 00:52:08.460
But with Rowe, with Michelle Fort, you just don't know because of how it left off. you're like, how's this going to go down?

854
00:52:09.599 --> 00:52:11.519
Hence, Sneed of Ferengi?

855
00:52:11.579 --> 00:52:12.000
What's that?

856
00:52:12.480 --> 00:52:23.639
Oh, Sneed was the guy at the very beginning in the early episode, and remember that they're investigating that the portal weapon that we saw, that incredible special effect.

857
00:52:23.699 --> 00:52:36.780
So again, there's a large terrorist attack, a large public terrorist attack, and they've stolen a portal weapon from the Daystrom Institute or whatever, the Daystrom Station or something.

858
00:52:36.840 --> 00:52:42.059
It's not quite the same as the one on Earth with all the megalomaniacal computers in it.

859
00:52:42.480 --> 00:52:43.260
It's another one.

860
00:52:43.920 --> 00:52:45.599
So Sneed Sneed is a criminal.

861
00:52:45.659 --> 00:52:47.099
It sounds like a Dickens character.

862
00:52:47.159 --> 00:52:48.059
They kill him.

863
00:52:48.119 --> 00:52:49.260
Yeah, he does, doesn't he?

864
00:52:49.320 --> 00:52:52.079
They kill him in the in the in the early episode.

865
00:52:53.099 --> 00:52:55.199
Every time we mention the Daystrom intro.

866
00:52:55.260 --> 00:52:57.539
I get absolute hives coming out in night.

867
00:52:57.599 --> 00:52:59.039
It just sounds like the most boring place.

868
00:52:59.099 --> 00:53:01.980
Remember when Varsh says they want to send beach to the Daystrom Institute?

869
00:53:02.400 --> 00:53:05.280
I don't want to go there, Q. Take me out to the universe again.

870
00:53:07.860 --> 00:53:13.440
Yeah, like, this isn't a bad performance from this fella playing. it does feel like we're marking time.

871
00:53:13.619 --> 00:53:15.059
I wonder why we're doing it.

872
00:53:15.719 --> 00:53:16.019
No.

873
00:53:16.380 --> 00:53:16.800
Yeah.

874
00:53:17.039 --> 00:53:17.579
You know.

875
00:53:17.699 --> 00:53:20.639
Imagine Camp Jeffrey Coombs coming in and doing all this.

876
00:53:20.820 --> 00:53:21.239
Yeah.

877
00:53:21.239 --> 00:53:23.039
Well, that's the one thing that they avoid.

878
00:53:23.159 --> 00:53:27.840
With the dominion that we don't see the, you know, we have the changings, but we don't have anything else.

879
00:53:27.960 --> 00:53:38.639
And we, you know, we have, we have, you know, Vatic, I guess, who is pretty great, because they are given Jeffrey Coombs work elsewhere.

880
00:53:38.880 --> 00:53:40.019
It comes from Trek.

881
00:53:40.139 --> 00:53:41.280
I'll give him a pass.

882
00:53:41.340 --> 00:53:43.500
But Hadway Yun turned up at the end of an episode.

883
00:53:43.559 --> 00:53:45.780
I mean, I would have been punching the.

884
00:53:45.840 --> 00:53:54.539
I mean, weighing is very definitely deep space 9 whereas the idea of the changelings is a little bit kind of, you know, more universal.

885
00:53:55.320 --> 00:53:58.199
But like, do you remember what we did to change your face of evil?

886
00:53:58.440 --> 00:54:04.199
And, you know, from scene to scene, it was outrageously camp and then madly melodramatic.

887
00:54:04.260 --> 00:54:12.539
And then you had like domestic scenes between Cisco and Cassidy and this is all so naturalistic in comparison.

888
00:54:12.599 --> 00:54:15.539
I kind of miss the high drama of it.

889
00:54:16.139 --> 00:54:21.360
So, I mean, what Star Trek's doing at this and think about what's going on at this point.

890
00:54:21.659 --> 00:54:25.800
Strange New Worlds has started, lower decks and prodigy are both on.

891
00:54:25.860 --> 00:54:27.900
Discovery is still happening.

892
00:54:28.139 --> 00:54:39.900
There is so much Star Trek doing so many different things that each Star Trek can afford to be itself because somewhere else there's a version of Star Trek that's doing something different.

893
00:54:40.860 --> 00:54:51.300
I think my point there is, though, is that this is more at risk of being boring, because it is kind of, yeah, yeah, very one note in terms of how it's delivered.

894
00:54:51.420 --> 00:54:54.119
Whereas the DSI, it could go over a cliff.

895
00:54:54.480 --> 00:54:55.860
But for me, it was entertaining.

896
00:54:56.219 --> 00:54:57.119
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

897
00:54:57.239 --> 00:55:06.719
I mean, here, you know, we do, we do have Shaw, who is a, who is a funny character, he's not a comedy character exactly, but he is funny and he punctures the other characters.

898
00:55:07.199 --> 00:55:10.619
You know, we eventually have lots of fun stuff about them meeting up.

899
00:55:11.579 --> 00:55:12.780
Is there a comedy this year?

900
00:55:14.280 --> 00:55:15.119
In this show.

901
00:55:15.119 --> 00:55:16.260
In this season?

902
00:55:16.440 --> 00:55:17.400
No, no, no.

903
00:55:17.460 --> 00:55:18.840
There's no out now, comedy episodes.

904
00:55:19.380 --> 00:55:19.980
Yeah, yeah.

905
00:55:19.980 --> 00:55:20.340
Come on.

906
00:55:20.400 --> 00:55:21.179
There should always be one.

907
00:55:22.320 --> 00:55:25.260
No, we're so serialised this season though, isn't it?

908
00:55:25.320 --> 00:55:26.400
As well as you put it in.

909
00:55:26.579 --> 00:55:27.360
It's one story.

910
00:55:27.420 --> 00:55:28.320
I mean, it's one story.

911
00:55:28.380 --> 00:55:31.500
There are funny bits and there's warm moments and stuff.

912
00:55:31.739 --> 00:55:33.179
It's not all grim.

913
00:55:33.239 --> 00:55:34.079
It's not all like this.

914
00:55:35.639 --> 00:55:37.739
Anyway, but we love the comedies, though, don't we?

915
00:55:37.800 --> 00:55:38.099
Yeah.

916
00:55:38.099 --> 00:55:41.159
I mean, even with war, we generally don't with the TNG crew.

917
00:55:41.219 --> 00:55:41.639
I know.

918
00:55:41.639 --> 00:55:47.940
But when Worf, like when Worf gets up later and says, you know, I am losing a lot of blood and stuff like that.

919
00:55:48.000 --> 00:55:49.260
It's a great moment, buddy.

920
00:55:51.000 --> 00:55:57.900
No, it's because why I laughed so much was, you know, I knew he wasn't dead, but I was like, he hammed up his death so much.

921
00:55:58.139 --> 00:55:59.039
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

922
00:55:59.039 --> 00:56:00.840
Oh, please leave me, you know.

923
00:56:02.099 --> 00:56:04.019
If you're a better actor than I thought you were.

924
00:56:04.079 --> 00:56:08.699
That was a stunning shot of the 2 of them at the top with the window behind them. beautiful.

925
00:56:11.760 --> 00:56:12.420
Yeah, yeah.

926
00:56:13.679 --> 00:56:15.360
Yeah, so this is the bulk of art.

927
00:56:15.480 --> 00:56:18.780
So these scenes in the bar, these are the bulk of our rope, Picard scenes, aren't they?

928
00:56:18.900 --> 00:56:19.199
Yeah.

929
00:56:19.619 --> 00:56:21.360
And I mean, it is exposition.

930
00:56:21.420 --> 00:56:26.940
This is her explaining the problem, the problem that we've got to work on for the rest of the season.

931
00:56:27.300 --> 00:56:28.920
And, you know, Frontier day.

932
00:56:28.980 --> 00:56:35.940
This is the 1st we, it's not our 1st mention of frontier day because we already know that the captain's making a speech at Frontier day.

933
00:56:38.280 --> 00:56:40.920
Um, and that's going to be the big venue for it.

934
00:56:40.980 --> 00:56:41.639
That's the end.

935
00:56:41.699 --> 00:56:43.320
Is that where we had, hey, tools, yeah.

936
00:56:43.380 --> 00:56:44.219
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

937
00:56:44.280 --> 00:56:45.000
Yeah, yeah.

938
00:56:45.420 --> 00:56:46.320
I can't remember.

939
00:56:46.380 --> 00:56:48.599
I don't really remember much about the last couple of episodes.

940
00:56:49.440 --> 00:56:52.559
I was just getting more annoyed, so maybe my brain was switching off.

941
00:56:52.980 --> 00:56:59.280
I think what happens is the young people who've all been through the transporter have had some genetic something happen to them.

942
00:57:00.179 --> 00:57:02.760
And so they get all activated at some point.

943
00:57:02.820 --> 00:57:13.019
And so all of the young people, uh, taken over by the, um, by the Dominion slash Borg.

944
00:57:13.079 --> 00:57:18.900
Uh, and that's why all the these old relics have been kind of safe.

945
00:57:18.900 --> 00:57:20.159
You're doing it again, all right?

946
00:57:20.159 --> 00:57:22.380
The Dominion slash Borg.

947
00:57:25.019 --> 00:57:27.300
You sure Peter David was a riotness?

948
00:57:30.480 --> 00:57:35.280
But, yeah, I mean, and I will say I was really invested in the 1st half of the season.

949
00:57:35.340 --> 00:57:45.480
Like, I remember watching the, because I watched it late. once it was all out and I watched the 1st 5 almost back to back and all of this stuff on this shit.

950
00:57:45.539 --> 00:57:47.519
I mean, I was so invested.

951
00:57:47.699 --> 00:57:49.860
So it was really only when the ball came in.

952
00:57:49.920 --> 00:57:51.420
I was like, oh, okay.

953
00:57:51.480 --> 00:57:54.059
Yeah, we doing that. that's inevitable.

954
00:57:54.480 --> 00:57:57.780
I think I think the 1st half of the season is extremely strong, though.

955
00:57:57.960 --> 00:57:58.380
Yeah.

956
00:57:58.380 --> 00:57:59.159
Yeah.

957
00:57:59.340 --> 00:57:59.760
Yeah.

958
00:57:59.820 --> 00:58:25.019
I mean, I did like the, the, the big finale thing reads a little bit more like the, uh, the actual series one finale of prodigy, where you've got, do you remember series one finale of prodigy, where all the the starships are firing on one another, you know, the the constructors taken over all the federation ships and they're all firing on one another, and we're all just standing there watching that happen.

959
00:58:25.079 --> 00:58:28.380
And I think that the way the sentence is very similar to that.

960
00:58:28.800 --> 00:58:34.800
I just remember the whole premise of the show turning on its head at the end of series one and going, well, how can we have the same show now?

961
00:58:35.340 --> 00:58:37.320
They're not even lost in space?

962
00:58:37.679 --> 00:58:38.400
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

963
00:58:38.460 --> 00:58:38.940
So good.

964
00:58:39.780 --> 00:58:41.760
Oh, Voyager, take note, all right?

965
00:58:42.119 --> 00:58:43.260
You can do it, right?

966
00:58:44.880 --> 00:58:45.300
Okay.

967
00:58:45.360 --> 00:58:48.179
Yo, these scenes are going on forever now, aren't they?

968
00:58:48.239 --> 00:58:48.960
With this film.

969
00:58:49.019 --> 00:58:50.099
Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.

970
00:58:51.840 --> 00:58:52.619
Oh, oh.

971
00:58:52.619 --> 00:58:53.039
Here we go.

972
00:58:53.219 --> 00:58:54.300
Here we go, here we go.

973
00:58:54.659 --> 00:58:55.500
Lights go out.

974
00:58:55.980 --> 00:58:57.840
Male, pro wharf.

975
00:58:59.039 --> 00:59:01.380
No, you just...

976
00:59:01.440 --> 00:59:01.860
There you go.

977
00:59:04.320 --> 00:59:06.119
Only Worf could deliver a line like that.

978
00:59:06.360 --> 00:59:11.280
I have lost a considerable amount of blood. really funny, isn't it?

979
00:59:11.940 --> 00:59:12.960
That's a great lie.

980
00:59:13.440 --> 00:59:14.820
It's not quite...

981
00:59:14.820 --> 00:59:18.780
Sir, I am not a merry man, but you know...

982
00:59:22.199 --> 00:59:24.420
He is the ultimate straight man, isn't he?

983
00:59:25.019 --> 00:59:27.719
But again, yes, I am in desperate need of medical attention.

984
00:59:32.400 --> 00:59:34.199
It is nice to have a laugh, actually.

985
00:59:35.460 --> 00:59:36.539
I'll just kill him already.

986
00:59:36.659 --> 00:59:38.639
I don't think it's going be a big part of the season.

987
00:59:39.119 --> 00:59:40.260
Ooh, look at that.

988
00:59:40.500 --> 00:59:42.000
Is that the Daystream Institute?

989
00:59:42.719 --> 00:59:44.760
The, the, where?

990
00:59:44.760 --> 00:59:45.840
Days from station.

991
00:59:45.900 --> 00:59:47.639
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

992
00:59:47.820 --> 00:59:57.179
So the Daystream Institute remembers on Earth, we actually see it in lower decks because that's where Agamus is kept at the end of the last lower decks that we did.

993
00:59:57.360 --> 00:59:58.380
Oh, Akamus.

994
00:59:58.500 --> 00:59:58.800
Yeah.

995
00:59:58.860 --> 01:00:05.639
And we did actually see that in Star Trek Picard, because I think Alison Peele's character was working there in series one.

996
01:00:06.119 --> 01:00:11.099
Couldn't Agamus have turned up in Picard. done a bit of one episode, villain.

997
01:00:11.760 --> 01:00:13.800
He could have floated like nomads, you know?

998
01:00:14.460 --> 01:00:15.719
Yeah, yeah, on a string.

999
01:00:15.840 --> 01:00:17.039
They could have had a string.

1000
01:00:18.480 --> 01:00:20.159
I just want more Jeffrey Combs.

1001
01:00:21.840 --> 01:00:23.519
And so all of this stuff too.

1002
01:00:23.579 --> 01:00:25.199
We've got a skeleton crew.

1003
01:00:25.260 --> 01:00:37.139
You know, she's all set it up for the rest of the season, so that's her job here, is to change the direction of the show. to turn it into now we have to put a stop to whatever's going to happen on Frontier Day.

1004
01:00:38.159 --> 01:00:42.960
I think maybe, maybe my reaction to her, because I wasn't really moved by her death.

1005
01:00:43.320 --> 01:00:49.079
And, and, you know, Kursman Trek can make me feel far more than all the other tricks.

1006
01:00:49.380 --> 01:00:52.920
And I was like, well, why aren't I why isn't this really poignant for me?

1007
01:00:53.099 --> 01:00:55.380
And I think it's because I've just seen far too many.

1008
01:00:55.500 --> 01:00:56.340
No, no, no.

1009
01:00:56.519 --> 01:00:58.019
I'll sacrifice myself.

1010
01:00:58.139 --> 01:00:59.820
Off you go, moments.

1011
01:01:01.679 --> 01:01:04.619
It's not quite that because I don't think she was expecting it.

1012
01:01:04.800 --> 01:01:07.139
She is, yeah, this.

1013
01:01:07.260 --> 01:01:07.619
Oh, look.

1014
01:01:08.039 --> 01:01:09.059
Oh, so you're moved.

1015
01:01:09.480 --> 01:01:14.159
I am, I'm a bit moved here by Michelle's performance and her blinking back tears and stuff.

1016
01:01:14.219 --> 01:01:26.340
And then she wipes them away and then she goes off and she's just who she is, but it's that thing, you know, we've, we've, um, uh, we lost all of this time and I spent all this time thinking this.

1017
01:01:27.360 --> 01:01:31.260
And you've got him now reflecting on that loss as well.

1018
01:01:32.219 --> 01:01:39.539
You know, had Michelle Forbes made a different kind of a decision about Deep Space 9, we never probably would have had this episode, would we?

1019
01:01:39.960 --> 01:01:40.500
No.

1020
01:01:40.980 --> 01:01:41.460
Yeah.

1021
01:01:42.239 --> 01:01:43.800
We wouldn't have had Dana though.

1022
01:01:43.860 --> 01:01:47.579
I'm not sorry. that things turned out in the way they did.

1023
01:01:47.760 --> 01:01:50.940
She might be my favourite regular in the entire franchise.

1024
01:01:51.000 --> 01:01:51.599
She is great.

1025
01:01:53.639 --> 01:01:55.860
Except that mum hair in emissary, of course.

1026
01:01:55.920 --> 01:01:56.699
Yeah, terrible.

1027
01:01:57.900 --> 01:01:59.280
I mean, this is so funny.

1028
01:01:59.400 --> 01:02:04.619
And it's kind of like, I've commented your ship once to go off after this thing and now he's coming in.

1029
01:02:04.619 --> 01:02:07.320
It's like, all right, now we need to just flee with the ship.

1030
01:02:07.679 --> 01:02:08.760
Can you do that?

1031
01:02:10.320 --> 01:02:12.719
Oh, launch the show, Croft.

1032
01:02:12.780 --> 01:02:19.139
It really is TNG. except they look a bit more robust than they used to.

1033
01:02:19.619 --> 01:02:23.579
They look like they're made of metal rather than painted balls of balls of word, don't they?

1034
01:02:24.780 --> 01:02:25.679
What are you saying?

1035
01:02:27.780 --> 01:02:31.260
structures of space back in the day. box of wood indeed.

1036
01:02:33.840 --> 01:02:36.420
So this, you know, she wasn't expecting this at all.

1037
01:02:36.480 --> 01:02:40.559
She wasn't going to sacrifice her life suddenly, they've just disappeared and left a bomb on board.

1038
01:02:41.579 --> 01:02:44.340
Couldn't she have said, couldn't someone have said she's not coming?

1039
01:02:44.820 --> 01:02:47.159
Or, you know, look at this.

1040
01:02:47.579 --> 01:02:53.039
Look at that, how great that looks with the with the ship, you know, out the front window and that.

1041
01:02:53.820 --> 01:02:55.079
The bomber. so good.

1042
01:02:55.380 --> 01:02:56.340
Changelings.

1043
01:02:59.940 --> 01:03:02.880
Yeah, they just turn into meat.

1044
01:03:03.599 --> 01:03:05.940
We just need to let the audience know that they're changing.

1045
01:03:06.000 --> 01:03:08.159
So just have them shift just for a second. okay?

1046
01:03:09.119 --> 01:03:13.139
Oh, look, it's true TNG now, a huge face on the viewscreen.

1047
01:03:13.199 --> 01:03:14.880
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1048
01:03:15.059 --> 01:03:15.900
Yeah, yeah.

1049
01:03:16.440 --> 01:03:19.139
Just put Picard in the shot as well, and that's perfect.

1050
01:03:20.460 --> 01:03:22.320
Those big screens that they have now.

1051
01:03:22.380 --> 01:03:24.000
I'm so glad they went with them.

1052
01:03:24.059 --> 01:03:24.960
It's a great thing.

1053
01:03:25.019 --> 01:03:31.440
I was thinking about, just those big windows compared to the tiny...

1054
01:03:31.500 --> 01:03:34.679
But, you know, what about the defiance tiny television?

1055
01:03:35.099 --> 01:03:36.179
It's...

1056
01:03:36.179 --> 01:03:39.599
Yeah, that's my computer screen. that's right.

1057
01:03:41.219 --> 01:03:43.739
That's why you can't put anyone in front of me, but it's so small.

1058
01:03:43.920 --> 01:03:44.579
Yeah, yeah.

1059
01:03:44.639 --> 01:03:46.019
That looks great, doesn't it?

1060
01:03:46.079 --> 01:03:50.340
You know, that shot with his got his back to us.

1061
01:03:50.400 --> 01:03:51.659
He's in silhouette.

1062
01:03:51.719 --> 01:04:00.000
She's there talking, and the 2 of them are looking at each other in the phase, and it's being directed here from inside the ship, like the camera's inside her shuttle now.

1063
01:04:00.480 --> 01:04:03.300
I'm giving you a fighting chance, Jean-Luc.

1064
01:04:03.360 --> 01:04:04.679
I mean, I don't think you did real tonight.

1065
01:04:05.099 --> 01:04:08.159
People get a chance to fire off a few lines of dialogue like this.

1066
01:04:08.159 --> 01:04:09.780
They sacrifice themselves.

1067
01:04:10.619 --> 01:04:13.440
But, you know, we we do like the melodrama of it.

1068
01:04:13.619 --> 01:04:14.519
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1069
01:04:14.579 --> 01:04:21.119
Well, there's one shot coming up, which I just think is absolutely beautiful, which is the shot that we yeah, yeah.

1070
01:04:24.480 --> 01:04:43.800
And so she explodes, you know, like that, she explodes the nacelles so that they can't chase, and he looks away, he can't bear to even look at it, and then there's the shot of him where half of the screen, half of our screen is his face in profile with his hand to his head, as we can see.

1071
01:04:43.860 --> 01:04:44.820
He said it was like emissary.

1072
01:04:46.019 --> 01:04:48.059
Cisco, do you remember when the ball cube explodes?

1073
01:04:48.119 --> 01:04:48.960
It's the same show.

1074
01:04:49.199 --> 01:04:50.340
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1075
01:04:50.519 --> 01:04:50.940
Yeah.

1076
01:04:51.420 --> 01:04:52.739
Yeah, it's stunning.

1077
01:04:52.800 --> 01:04:53.940
It's such a good shot.

1078
01:04:55.019 --> 01:04:59.039
It is in those moments where, you know, this is why we've gone back to Patrick Stewart.

1079
01:05:00.480 --> 01:05:01.619
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1080
01:05:03.119 --> 01:05:05.940
I mean, there is definitely, you said it earlier.

1081
01:05:06.179 --> 01:05:07.019
I did hear it.

1082
01:05:07.079 --> 01:05:08.519
I didn't want to acknowledge it.

1083
01:05:08.639 --> 01:05:18.300
You know, a bunch of geriatrics saving the universe, but there are times in Picard where I'm like, he can barely get the lines out anymore, but there are other times where...

1084
01:05:18.300 --> 01:05:19.199
Oh, yeah, he's magnificent.

1085
01:05:19.559 --> 01:05:21.480
I don't think he plays into his frailty too.

1086
01:05:21.539 --> 01:05:28.860
I don't think he tries to conceal it I don't think he's trying to play it like a younger man or being anything other than someone in their late 80s and I think he's really good.

1087
01:05:29.460 --> 01:05:32.699
That's how flame. looks great.

1088
01:05:32.699 --> 01:05:33.300
That's amazing.

1089
01:05:33.599 --> 01:05:38.400
Just how black the ship is because it's lit from behind and how ominous it looks.

1090
01:05:38.579 --> 01:05:41.760
Like it looks frightening. just a Starfleet ship.

1091
01:05:41.820 --> 01:05:46.440
They were all, you know, evenly lit back in Star Trek, the next generation.

1092
01:05:47.280 --> 01:05:48.480
These are the lines we want.

1093
01:05:48.539 --> 01:05:51.420
If we don't run, then row dies for nothing.

1094
01:05:52.380 --> 01:05:53.039
Yeah, yeah.

1095
01:05:53.099 --> 01:05:53.639
This is great.

1096
01:05:53.940 --> 01:05:55.440
At least trust your own eyes.

1097
01:05:56.820 --> 01:05:57.420
Liam.

1098
01:05:57.599 --> 01:05:58.199
Liam.

1099
01:05:59.579 --> 01:06:06.300
For fuck's sake, he goes, oh, get us out of here. just hates that they're right.

1100
01:06:08.639 --> 01:06:10.800
I just want him in everything.

1101
01:06:11.280 --> 01:06:12.360
He's so great.

1102
01:06:14.400 --> 01:06:17.159
What was Beverly doing then with those petri dishes?

1103
01:06:17.219 --> 01:06:19.139
I mean, what are you doing, Beverly?

1104
01:06:19.139 --> 01:06:24.119
doing more shit with changeling DNA.

1105
01:06:24.659 --> 01:06:28.860
I was doing medical things when I had a realisation, Jack.

1106
01:06:30.780 --> 01:06:33.900
And so this is the killing thing, isn't it?

1107
01:06:34.800 --> 01:06:39.719
That's right And then more change things appear and he just kills them all.

1108
01:06:39.780 --> 01:06:41.519
And that's what we've been leaning towards.

1109
01:06:41.639 --> 01:06:45.780
The connection between the red door, the Borg and the founders then.

1110
01:06:46.320 --> 01:06:47.219
I can't remember.

1111
01:06:47.699 --> 01:06:48.420
Oh okay.

1112
01:06:49.139 --> 01:06:51.420
Something about it means he knows that they're changelings.

1113
01:06:51.659 --> 01:06:52.679
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1114
01:06:52.860 --> 01:06:53.280
Yeah.

1115
01:06:53.340 --> 01:06:54.059
Yeah, that's it.

1116
01:06:54.119 --> 01:06:56.940
And so he has he been engineered to kill, change things.

1117
01:06:57.179 --> 01:07:03.119
Um, And remember that that he gets asked later.

1118
01:07:04.860 --> 01:07:11.519
Yeah, you see, and I think that the, like those tendrils say either Borg or Changeling, don't they?

1119
01:07:12.239 --> 01:07:13.019
What about those?

1120
01:07:13.019 --> 01:07:13.619
Like petals?

1121
01:07:13.679 --> 01:07:15.539
what are they saying I don't know.

1122
01:07:15.780 --> 01:07:17.820
We wanted a pretty visual for this thing.

1123
01:07:17.880 --> 01:07:19.079
A bit like American beauty.

1124
01:07:19.500 --> 01:07:21.360
Yeah, yeah, it is, it is great.

1125
01:07:21.960 --> 01:07:25.559
I mean, Nathan, if you just opened that door, he could have saved us about 3 episodes.

1126
01:07:27.960 --> 01:07:29.039
What's behind that, then?

1127
01:07:29.940 --> 01:07:32.039
Five episodes to go. can't even remember.

1128
01:07:32.099 --> 01:07:33.539
Is it a ball Q beyond that door?

1129
01:07:34.079 --> 01:07:34.860
I bet it is.

1130
01:07:35.219 --> 01:07:36.300
Doesn't this look great?

1131
01:07:36.960 --> 01:07:37.380
Yeah.

1132
01:07:37.440 --> 01:07:38.820
Oh my god, do you know what that shot is?

1133
01:07:39.300 --> 01:07:40.860
It's the Matara nebula show.

1134
01:07:40.980 --> 01:07:42.539
Yeah, yeah, that's what I was thinking as well.

1135
01:07:43.260 --> 01:07:43.679
Exactly.

1136
01:07:44.099 --> 01:07:44.820
I'm sorry.

1137
01:07:44.820 --> 01:07:47.159
I just...

1138
01:07:47.460 --> 01:07:48.300
So much.

1139
01:07:48.420 --> 01:07:53.460
Yeah, that's great too, where it warps out before the torpedoes here.

1140
01:07:54.179 --> 01:07:57.119
I am utterly bewitched by Shaw's eyes.

1141
01:07:57.480 --> 01:07:59.639
The man has incredible eyes.

1142
01:08:00.300 --> 01:08:01.260
He's so gray.

1143
01:08:02.099 --> 01:08:04.440
He, again, was someone who loved being in this.

1144
01:08:04.679 --> 01:08:06.300
He just loved this, you know.

1145
01:08:06.900 --> 01:08:10.440
When's the point where Picard and Riker off their row then?

1146
01:08:10.500 --> 01:08:11.159
Has that already happened?

1147
01:08:11.280 --> 01:08:13.079
No, that happened, actually, in the last episode.

1148
01:08:13.260 --> 01:08:13.980
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1149
01:08:15.659 --> 01:08:16.439
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1150
01:08:16.500 --> 01:08:24.060
Because I think it, you know, Picard does something that's going to destroy the ship. and they're, I remember it's TNG, we're copying it, right?

1151
01:08:24.119 --> 01:08:25.380
It lasts longer than the episode.

1152
01:08:26.880 --> 01:08:27.300
No.

1153
01:08:29.939 --> 01:08:33.659
She gave me this before she, well, sacrificed myself.

1154
01:08:34.680 --> 01:08:39.180
Well, because remember Riker didn't like her as well, was really hostile to her too?

1155
01:08:39.960 --> 01:08:41.699
He was sort of unpleasant, wasn't he?

1156
01:08:41.819 --> 01:08:42.600
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1157
01:08:42.779 --> 01:08:46.619
And he's normally so genius. sort of saying, you know, give her a chance.

1158
01:08:46.680 --> 01:08:47.399
I'll be a prick.

1159
01:08:47.819 --> 01:08:49.260
Yeah, I'm paraphrasing.

1160
01:08:49.500 --> 01:08:49.920
Yeah.

1161
01:08:51.060 --> 01:08:51.479
Yeah.

1162
01:08:51.539 --> 01:08:52.560
Oh, you know what?

1163
01:08:52.619 --> 01:08:57.720
Every time I see these these view screens in the air like this, I think of you.

1164
01:08:58.020 --> 01:08:59.279
You love them, don't you?

1165
01:08:59.340 --> 01:09:01.680
The panels that they touch in the air.

1166
01:09:01.920 --> 01:09:02.699
It's so great.

1167
01:09:02.760 --> 01:09:03.720
It's so good.

1168
01:09:05.220 --> 01:09:06.180
I'm so old.

1169
01:09:06.239 --> 01:09:08.579
I couldn't even find a description from that then, did you know?

1170
01:09:08.819 --> 01:09:09.600
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1171
01:09:09.659 --> 01:09:15.300
It's just like, it's like, you know, your Apple Vision Pro. There's all these sort of windows all over the real world.

1172
01:09:16.260 --> 01:09:18.659
But there is still time for the alcohols as well.

1173
01:09:18.720 --> 01:09:19.439
I'm pleased to say.

1174
01:09:20.039 --> 01:09:22.920
Yeah, but these are all El Car style too, aren't they?

1175
01:09:22.979 --> 01:09:26.699
The font's different, but all of those sort of borders.

1176
01:09:28.859 --> 01:09:29.460
Finally.

1177
01:09:30.840 --> 01:09:32.460
You're looking old, Mr. Worf.

1178
01:09:33.539 --> 01:09:35.880
Actually, I think he looks kind of magnificent.

1179
01:09:36.840 --> 01:09:37.560
He looks great.

1180
01:09:37.859 --> 01:09:38.699
He looks so good.

1181
01:09:39.060 --> 01:09:41.699
Have you noticed Michael Dawn's doing a podcast now as well?

1182
01:09:41.760 --> 01:09:42.479
They're all up to it.

1183
01:09:42.600 --> 01:09:43.260
Oh, is he?

1184
01:09:43.859 --> 01:09:52.500
On Instagram, there was Kareem DNA from Starfleet Academy giving him a big hug and saying, Michael Dawn's my biological father.

1185
01:09:55.380 --> 01:09:59.579
Do you know, the only one who actually sort of do in regular acting, weirdly enough, is Marina.

1186
01:10:01.140 --> 01:10:03.840
She just scored a great role, a regular role in a TV show.

1187
01:10:04.319 --> 01:10:05.640
Oh wow, good for her.

1188
01:10:06.239 --> 01:10:07.859
She ain't got time for podcasting.

1189
01:10:08.100 --> 01:10:09.720
She leaves that okay. that's right.

1190
01:10:11.699 --> 01:10:12.779
Yeah, see this?

1191
01:10:12.840 --> 01:10:13.920
Like he shot them all.

1192
01:10:13.979 --> 01:10:15.239
How did you know they were changing things?

1193
01:10:15.300 --> 01:10:15.960
Oh, I didn't.

1194
01:10:16.920 --> 01:10:17.520
Whoops.

1195
01:10:17.520 --> 01:10:18.359
Don't you think that?

1196
01:10:18.420 --> 01:10:20.340
This looks like the Voyager sick thing.

1197
01:10:20.399 --> 01:10:22.739
I did, I was thinking that quite a lot.

1198
01:10:23.159 --> 01:10:25.199
But with blue lights instead of yellow.

1199
01:10:27.300 --> 01:10:29.520
Okay, it's our massive loving, isn't it?

1200
01:10:29.699 --> 01:10:31.739
Oh, yeah, you sound massive, loving.

1201
01:10:31.920 --> 01:10:34.560
Well, but 90s strike, but I think the design is more beautiful.

1202
01:10:34.619 --> 01:10:37.500
You know, we're sometime later than 90s trek.

1203
01:10:37.859 --> 01:10:44.460
Um, you know, it's 20, 30 years later and uh, everything looks more flash and more beautiful.

1204
01:10:45.300 --> 01:10:55.020
Frankly, if those Star Trek fans that don't like Spock sex comedies, um, didn't like this season, they would have been doing something extremely wrong indeed.

1205
01:10:55.319 --> 01:10:56.520
Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1206
01:10:56.579 --> 01:10:56.880
Yeah.

1207
01:10:57.119 --> 01:10:57.539
Yeah.

1208
01:10:57.600 --> 01:10:59.100
And I think people did like it.

1209
01:10:59.220 --> 01:11:00.779
I think people kind of wanted it.

1210
01:11:01.079 --> 01:11:08.640
I think the original plan, didn't we say that they wanted to do 5 years, but Stuart could only do 3 because he was sort of getting on a bit.

1211
01:11:08.699 --> 01:11:09.779
It was a bit very nice.

1212
01:11:10.500 --> 01:11:11.640
Oh yeah, absolutely.

1213
01:11:11.880 --> 01:11:16.319
And it's kind of like, well, whatever Patrick Stewart's plans are, we're just going to go along with that.

1214
01:11:16.439 --> 01:11:25.500
I mean, I think they probably had another spinoff in mind and then they got told that Patrick would do it and so they said, yes, we'll do whatever then.

1215
01:11:26.520 --> 01:11:35.880
You know, his line in his autobiography, where he says, I was wrong to say I didn't want all the TNG career in, and I only wanted original characters coming in.

1216
01:11:36.300 --> 01:11:37.319
He's wrong.

1217
01:11:37.680 --> 01:11:40.859
Like, in terms of popularity, yeah, maybe he's right.

1218
01:11:40.920 --> 01:11:41.819
In terms of creativity.

1219
01:11:42.779 --> 01:11:43.859
That was a bad call.

1220
01:11:44.520 --> 01:11:54.479
Yeah, I'm glad that we, that, you know, like we did see the occasional person, it was clearly said in that world, um, but Girati?

1221
01:11:54.539 --> 01:11:55.079
Yeah, wonderful.

1222
01:11:55.739 --> 01:11:57.779
Yeah, yeah, I won't ever stop getting on about it.

1223
01:11:57.779 --> 01:12:00.539
In any accent, he wants to put on.

1224
01:12:00.720 --> 01:12:01.500
Yeah, yeah.

1225
01:12:02.880 --> 01:12:04.140
Who else am I forgetting?

1226
01:12:04.199 --> 01:12:04.800
Is there anyone else?

1227
01:12:06.899 --> 01:12:07.979
Oh, I mean Raffi.

1228
01:12:08.039 --> 01:12:11.640
Um, uh, um, data store.

1229
01:12:11.699 --> 01:12:12.779
Oh, no.

1230
01:12:13.319 --> 01:12:15.000
You're the pretty boy.

1231
01:12:15.119 --> 01:12:15.960
The Australian guy.

1232
01:12:16.380 --> 01:12:17.939
Oh, yeah, little Elanor.

1233
01:12:18.300 --> 01:12:18.840
Yeah.

1234
01:12:19.619 --> 01:12:21.119
Oh, it did. did it end?

1235
01:12:22.079 --> 01:12:27.119
With him admitting that he didn't know that they were changelings and stuff, basically.

1236
01:12:27.779 --> 01:12:28.979
So we end with him.

1237
01:12:29.039 --> 01:12:31.140
And I think we ended the previous episode with him.

1238
01:12:31.199 --> 01:12:36.000
I think the red door might have been how we ended the previous episode, so we are selling that.

1239
01:12:36.060 --> 01:12:37.500
So this had 3 jobs.

1240
01:12:38.220 --> 01:12:47.640
The main job is to just launch us into the next plot to get the show up after having a climax and a triumph at the end of episode four, which I think it needed.

1241
01:12:47.880 --> 01:12:49.979
It can't all be relentlessly grim.

1242
01:12:50.039 --> 01:12:50.699
They need a win.

1243
01:12:50.760 --> 01:12:51.779
They need an early win.

1244
01:12:52.380 --> 01:12:57.659
But obviously, they don't get to bask in it because the next thing comes along.

1245
01:12:58.260 --> 01:13:07.079
And, you know, part of that is who Jack is and part of it is obviously the, this, um, this terrible, you know, conspiracy.

1246
01:13:09.779 --> 01:13:13.500
I think no win scenario is a much better episode.

1247
01:13:14.220 --> 01:13:15.659
I think it's more focussed.

1248
01:13:15.720 --> 01:13:21.899
I think it has more memorable moments in it and it has a ton of shaw and that's wonderful.

1249
01:13:21.899 --> 01:13:24.720
And a great action set piece, I remember, at the end of it.

1250
01:13:25.920 --> 01:13:28.800
This is plate spinning for some of its runtime.

1251
01:13:29.520 --> 01:13:33.420
But the best moments here. the row Picard moments.

1252
01:13:33.659 --> 01:13:36.239
I mean, how can I object?

1253
01:13:36.659 --> 01:13:37.380
Yeah, fine.

1254
01:13:37.500 --> 01:13:39.899
Spin your plates if I'm going to get some payoff there.

1255
01:13:39.960 --> 01:13:40.800
Yeah, that's right.

1256
01:13:40.859 --> 01:13:42.180
This is more of an episode one.

1257
01:13:42.300 --> 01:13:45.180
You know, like it is starting a new thing.

1258
01:13:45.239 --> 01:13:53.340
And so it doesn't get the full excitement that we got, you know, where it's no win scenario. things can't possibly be worse.

1259
01:13:53.399 --> 01:13:59.220
We're all going to die and then something magical happens and they're saved.

1260
01:14:00.000 --> 01:14:03.180
I just remember when we were going into the 2nd half of the season.

1261
01:14:03.239 --> 01:14:09.600
I was sad that that little run was over because just that shipboard action for a run of episodes.

1262
01:14:09.600 --> 01:14:11.760
It just felt so like energy as well.

1263
01:14:12.180 --> 01:14:12.899
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1264
01:14:13.020 --> 01:14:14.159
But it felt like a movie.

1265
01:14:14.520 --> 01:14:25.979
It felt like there was a big scale, but that things had changed for all of those characters during that time, that the world was different as well, that something had happened.

1266
01:14:25.979 --> 01:14:33.899
And we didn't get that in generations, you know, everyone still had the same job that they'd had way back 10 years ago.

1267
01:14:34.619 --> 01:14:42.300
I will still die on the hill, that the very best Picard is the 2 parter at the end of series one.

1268
01:14:42.300 --> 01:14:45.359
Because I just had to last with that.

1269
01:14:45.420 --> 01:14:50.579
And it really felt like the show was solidifying in a really confident way.

1270
01:14:50.880 --> 01:14:54.359
Do you remember those great flowers bursting in space and it was awesome.

1271
01:14:55.020 --> 01:14:56.880
Do you remember the Android planet?

1272
01:14:56.939 --> 01:14:58.619
I mean it was so descent, wasn't it?

1273
01:14:58.920 --> 01:14:59.699
With a bunch.

1274
01:14:59.939 --> 01:15:00.840
It was really camp.

1275
01:15:00.899 --> 01:15:05.279
It was really very tricky, you know, in a sort of fun camp way.

1276
01:15:05.880 --> 01:15:11.039
And the emotional payoff to Picard and Data's relationship was extraordinary.

1277
01:15:11.520 --> 01:15:19.979
But I think after that, I think probably this opening run of series 3 might be their best achievement after that.

1278
01:15:20.340 --> 01:15:20.819
Yeah.

1279
01:15:20.880 --> 01:15:23.100
I mean, I have a big soft spot for series 2.

1280
01:15:23.640 --> 01:15:24.840
I like series 2 quite a lot.

1281
01:15:25.260 --> 01:15:26.760
We need to explore a bit more.

1282
01:15:26.819 --> 01:15:28.140
We've only done a few, haven't we?

1283
01:15:28.560 --> 01:15:29.340
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1284
01:15:29.399 --> 01:15:29.819
Yeah.

1285
01:15:29.880 --> 01:15:34.619
I mean, we've done some good ones in series 2, I think, but I did like series 2 quite a lot.

1286
01:15:34.979 --> 01:15:36.779
We haven't done the 2nd episode, have we?

1287
01:15:36.840 --> 01:15:39.840
Where they go to the alternative Nazi world.

1288
01:15:39.899 --> 01:15:41.819
I absolutely do.

1289
01:15:42.600 --> 01:15:43.560
The confederation.

1290
01:15:44.039 --> 01:15:47.579
I just so happen to have gold to cult skull on the slayer.

1291
01:15:55.619 --> 01:15:59.880
All right, it's the end of the episode and it's time for us to work out where we're going next.

1292
01:15:59.939 --> 01:16:06.359
This was my choice and inevitably, it's your turn, Joe, to pick something else.

1293
01:16:07.439 --> 01:16:09.119
Tell me what we are going to be doing.

1294
01:16:09.899 --> 01:16:17.460
Yes, you've achieved the impossible, you know, you've managed to get me excited by statistics, which I thought would be an absolute impossibility.

1295
01:16:17.880 --> 01:16:25.859
We looked at the indexes last week and we had a look at um, because it broke it down into not only the shows, but the seasons.

1296
01:16:25.859 --> 01:16:37.079
And it gave me lists of, so, you're listening out there, if you want to listen to untitled Star Trek episodes, and you want a whole page of what we covered, check out the index. right?

1297
01:16:37.140 --> 01:16:45.119
But there was one season in particular, which we had given relatively little attention to, which I remember.

1298
01:16:45.359 --> 01:16:46.439
We need to address.

1299
01:16:46.920 --> 01:16:52.680
And I figured, you know, we've just had some next generation with some truly extraordinary lighting.

1300
01:16:53.039 --> 01:16:59.039
So probably we should return to a day where, well, they were just all lit from above.

1301
01:17:00.479 --> 01:17:05.159
Season 2 of the next generation is where we're going, which, you know, has Dr. Pulaski in it.

1302
01:17:05.640 --> 01:17:06.180
That's true.

1303
01:17:06.420 --> 01:17:07.560
There's a...

1304
01:17:07.739 --> 01:17:08.640
There's no gates.

1305
01:17:08.699 --> 01:17:09.479
Come on.

1306
01:17:10.319 --> 01:17:11.220
Um, yeah.

1307
01:17:11.279 --> 01:17:12.119
What do you reckon about that?

1308
01:17:12.600 --> 01:17:13.140
Okay.

1309
01:17:13.199 --> 01:17:22.619
So what we have actually done is up the long ladder, which is episode 18 and Manhunt, which is episode 19 bizarrely.

1310
01:17:22.739 --> 01:17:25.979
And that's all we've done in season two. 5 points of the franchise.

1311
01:17:26.279 --> 01:17:27.479
Yeah, upsetting.

1312
01:17:28.560 --> 01:17:29.760
Okay, you ready for this?

1313
01:17:30.180 --> 01:17:30.600
Okay.

1314
01:17:30.899 --> 01:17:33.539
Bring it on Oh, no.

1315
01:17:33.960 --> 01:17:34.979
Up the long ladder.

1316
01:17:35.220 --> 01:17:38.220
Oh, well. one of the 2 that we've done.

1317
01:17:38.279 --> 01:17:38.579
Okay.

1318
01:17:39.479 --> 01:17:43.859
Oh, God, I remember this episode so well. was obsessed with this episode.

1319
01:17:45.000 --> 01:17:49.140
It might be this one Oh my god, it's not a squared or whatever it is.

1320
01:17:49.319 --> 01:17:49.979
What is that?

1321
01:17:50.880 --> 01:17:52.260
Season 2, episode 10.

1322
01:17:52.680 --> 01:17:53.760
The dolphin.

1323
01:17:54.000 --> 01:17:57.180
It's the one where Wesley Crusher...

1324
01:17:57.239 --> 01:17:57.720
Do you remember?

1325
01:17:58.140 --> 01:17:58.619
Yeah.

1326
01:17:59.460 --> 01:18:01.500
Princess Leia. comes on board.

1327
01:18:01.680 --> 01:18:02.100
Yes.

1328
01:18:02.100 --> 01:18:09.899
And she dresses up in very, nylon gorilla suits as does her handmaiden.

1329
01:18:10.500 --> 01:18:13.439
It's an extraordinary costume, Anya.

1330
01:18:13.560 --> 01:18:15.300
I mean, bodyguard.

1331
01:18:15.359 --> 01:18:16.260
It's called Anya.

1332
01:18:16.380 --> 01:18:17.520
She's this tiny little woman.

1333
01:18:17.760 --> 01:18:19.079
Yeah, she's kind of fabulous.

1334
01:18:20.100 --> 01:18:24.600
But it does have that scene where, what's it, Riker and Guyan flirt outrageously.

1335
01:18:25.680 --> 01:18:26.279
Yeah, yeah.

1336
01:18:26.460 --> 01:18:27.960
And she's a kid.

1337
01:18:28.199 --> 01:18:28.979
Shut up, kid.

1338
01:18:30.359 --> 01:18:31.020
All right.

1339
01:18:31.079 --> 01:18:31.859
I'll press it again.

1340
01:18:31.920 --> 01:18:36.300
I don't think we can stomach, stomach, Wesley Crusher in love.

1341
01:18:37.680 --> 01:18:38.100
Okay.

1342
01:18:38.699 --> 01:18:39.899
With a nail um gorilla.

1343
01:18:40.500 --> 01:18:40.979
Okay.

1344
01:18:41.039 --> 01:18:43.979
Oh, now this is a banger, but I don't want to do it.

1345
01:18:44.220 --> 01:18:45.779
Because I want to do something bad.

1346
01:18:46.439 --> 01:18:47.520
Is it measure of a man?

1347
01:18:47.760 --> 01:18:49.140
No, it's Q Who.

1348
01:18:50.159 --> 01:18:51.659
Season 2, episode 16.

1349
01:18:52.020 --> 01:18:55.199
Yeah, probably their 1st big win, isn't it?

1350
01:18:55.380 --> 01:18:56.220
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1351
01:18:56.279 --> 01:18:56.880
Maybe you're right.

1352
01:18:57.659 --> 01:19:02.159
You know, it's nice to note, you know, back in the day, they were sort of doing crossovers as well, weren't they?

1353
01:19:02.220 --> 01:19:05.039
We just had the Dominion and the Borg, and that's Q and the Borg.

1354
01:19:05.159 --> 01:19:05.939
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1355
01:19:06.060 --> 01:19:06.600
There you go.

1356
01:19:06.659 --> 01:19:07.560
They'll team up with anyone.

1357
01:19:08.399 --> 01:19:08.880
Okay.

1358
01:19:08.939 --> 01:19:10.199
Oh, this is it.

1359
01:19:10.260 --> 01:19:10.859
This is the one.

1360
01:19:11.340 --> 01:19:13.979
It gives us a chance to talk about lower decks as well.

1361
01:19:14.460 --> 01:19:18.659
Season two, episode four, the outrageous O'Connor.

1362
01:19:23.159 --> 01:19:25.680
Terry Hatcher's only appearance in Star Trek.

1363
01:19:25.739 --> 01:19:26.880
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1364
01:19:27.359 --> 01:19:29.640
And he said, William Campbell's a very handsome man.

1365
01:19:29.819 --> 01:19:31.199
We could at least enjoy it on that level.

1366
01:19:32.460 --> 01:19:34.859
I fear it may be sexist in all kinds of ways.

1367
01:19:35.279 --> 01:19:47.100
Yeah. and it does have a comedy subplot where data goes to, um, the holiday and learns from a dreadful, sort of Chicago comedian, how to be funny.

1368
01:19:48.239 --> 01:19:49.920
No, you're looking really distasteful right now.

1369
01:19:50.279 --> 01:19:51.060
No, push it again.

1370
01:19:51.060 --> 01:19:51.960
I'm okay to see it.

1371
01:19:52.500 --> 01:19:53.880
Okay to say, we do have to do it.

1372
01:19:53.939 --> 01:19:55.020
Let's get it over with.

1373
01:19:55.439 --> 01:19:56.880
What's a food you really hate?

1374
01:19:56.939 --> 01:19:58.859
Because it looks like it's in your mouth, right?

1375
01:20:00.239 --> 01:20:00.899
That's right.

1376
01:20:01.079 --> 01:20:03.420
It's the tripe and onions actually that you mentioned earlier.

1377
01:20:04.500 --> 01:20:05.220
Tripe?

1378
01:20:05.279 --> 01:20:07.020
Excuse me, we are that desperate.

1379
01:20:07.020 --> 01:20:08.100
I said liver.

1380
01:20:09.659 --> 01:20:11.220
Dogsy tripe, all right?

1381
01:20:11.460 --> 01:20:12.239
Oh my god.

1382
01:20:12.300 --> 01:20:12.840
Oh my god.

1383
01:20:13.500 --> 01:20:16.380
Yes, no, we definitely have to do it. outrageous O'Connor.

1384
01:20:16.439 --> 01:20:18.840
I feel actually, you could not be onto a metaphor there.

1385
01:20:18.960 --> 01:20:23.520
I think this may be the most liver and onions episode of Star Trek that ever to have existed.

1386
01:20:23.699 --> 01:20:26.100
The RH is O'Connor. pretty rough.

1387
01:20:26.699 --> 01:20:28.680
And they're trying to make him someone.

1388
01:20:28.739 --> 01:20:33.420
They're trying to make another Harry Mart. they like a larger than live character.

1389
01:20:33.779 --> 01:20:40.680
And he does come back not just in that lower decks episode where I don't know that they get the actor back.

1390
01:20:41.159 --> 01:20:42.840
I don't know. that maybe they do.

1391
01:20:42.899 --> 01:20:51.899
He doesn't have much of a part in it, but he does play a rather larger role in an episode of Lower Decks, where is he a sex fiend in that as well?

1392
01:20:52.140 --> 01:20:56.460
No, but the kids from the proto star meet him and he's, you know, sort of handsome.

1393
01:20:56.939 --> 01:20:58.380
Oh, you mean not lower decks?

1394
01:20:58.439 --> 01:20:59.699
You mean prodigy?

1395
01:20:59.760 --> 01:21:00.239
Prodigy.

1396
01:21:00.300 --> 01:21:00.659
Yeah, yeah.

1397
01:21:00.720 --> 01:21:04.800
He's briefly in a lowered X episode, but he is in prodigy for an episode or so.

1398
01:21:05.880 --> 01:21:07.319
As we've said, time and again.

1399
01:21:07.619 --> 01:21:15.899
Trust Kurtzman Trek to remember all of the back alleys of Star Trek, corners of the franchise. right.

1400
01:21:16.560 --> 01:21:19.979
You wait. the next the next series will be Star Trek, O'Connor.

1401
01:21:20.039 --> 01:21:20.760
Oh my god.

1402
01:21:22.800 --> 01:21:25.020
Star Trek, Kivas Fajo.

1403
01:21:26.399 --> 01:21:27.300
Oh boy.

1404
01:21:27.479 --> 01:21:28.619
Oh Nathan.

1405
01:21:36.060 --> 01:21:46.500
Who's been listening to entitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford and Nathan Bottomley, where online at untitled Star Trek Project.com where you can find subscription links and links to our social media accounts.

1406
01:21:47.279 --> 01:21:52.020
The podcast artwork is by Kayla Ciceran, and the theme was composed by Cameron Lam.

1407
01:21:52.319 --> 01:21:57.960
This episode was recorded on the 8th of September 2026 and released on the 11th of September.

1408
01:21:58.319 --> 01:22:03.300
We'll see you next time for Star Trek the Next Generation, the outrageous O'Connor.

1409
01:22:18.960 --> 01:22:20.520
I think Martok's there, too.

1410
01:22:23.880 --> 01:22:25.020
Should we do that?

1411
01:22:26.399 --> 01:22:27.239
Yeah, I think so.

1412
01:22:27.779 --> 01:22:28.260
Okay.

1413
01:22:28.979 --> 01:22:30.600
I wasn't too down on that, was I?

1414
01:22:30.659 --> 01:22:32.159
I know you were really positive.

1415
01:22:32.159 --> 01:22:34.560
And I think it is really good, but I think you're right.

1416
01:22:34.619 --> 01:22:46.319
It is like there are long curs, you know, and it doesn't, you know, like, because, but it does have a big central thing and it does send the show off the season off in a different direction.

1417
01:22:46.319 --> 01:22:48.180
And I think that was what it needed to do.

1418
01:22:48.960 --> 01:22:54.060
Actually, it is just like the bloody change he makes for you. the triple whammy at the end.

1419
01:22:54.119 --> 01:22:57.359
Um, Kai Wynn kills Soulbore.

1420
01:22:57.420 --> 01:23:00.960
The Defiant is blown up, and then Demal defects.

1421
01:23:01.199 --> 01:23:02.699
It's just like, doesn't it?

1422
01:23:02.760 --> 01:23:04.739
And then all of those things kick off in another direction.

1423
01:23:05.220 --> 01:23:06.239
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1424
01:23:06.300 --> 01:23:08.399
Oh, I do love an Hark in Star Trek.

1425
01:23:08.699 --> 01:23:13.439
Well, I think I think that probably they're changing that, that, is it 7 episodes of the end?

1426
01:23:14.939 --> 01:23:15.779
Uh, 10?

1427
01:23:16.199 --> 01:23:16.800
Ten?

1428
01:23:16.859 --> 01:23:17.220
Yeah.

1429
01:23:17.279 --> 01:23:18.479
Well, this is 10 episodes.

1430
01:23:19.619 --> 01:23:24.779
But it is that there's a unity to this, which makes it seem like the film that Star Trek never had.

1431
01:23:25.739 --> 01:23:27.420
May I congratulate you as well?

1432
01:23:27.479 --> 01:23:33.180
I just don't think you could have found a more smug looking picture of Michael Weddington than the one you bought.

1433
01:23:33.300 --> 01:23:34.140
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1434
01:23:34.199 --> 01:23:43.199
I had to pick, it was like picking to try and pick, because it's the moment, I think, where he realises that he knows what he has to do and that's take me.

1435
01:23:43.439 --> 01:23:45.000
You know, like it's that moment.

1436
01:23:45.239 --> 01:23:49.140
But there was a sort of sad lip quivering moment and I thought, no, I don't want to do that.

1437
01:23:49.199 --> 01:23:49.979
I want to do this one.

1438
01:23:50.880 --> 01:24:00.060
I almost died of laughter with your dramatic new adversary, marquee leader of musical theatre gay, Michael.

1439
01:24:04.140 --> 01:24:04.979
I mean, yes.

1440
01:24:06.600 --> 01:24:07.260
It's true.

1441
01:24:07.319 --> 01:24:07.920
It's all true.

1442
01:24:08.699 --> 01:24:10.260
Oh, give you what you want.

1443
01:24:11.520 --> 01:24:12.060
Okay.

1444
01:24:12.420 --> 01:24:20.340
So, like Kenneth Marshall, I looked up and I couldn't find any biographical stuff and he did do musical theatre and, you know, like he probably was gay.

1445
01:24:20.399 --> 01:24:22.979
I don't know, but, you know, he's he's still alive.

1446
01:24:23.039 --> 01:24:25.140
He's in his 70s, you know, things were different.

1447
01:24:25.199 --> 01:24:28.680
It's his life, you know, like he's free to share what he wants.

1448
01:24:29.100 --> 01:24:30.539
Um, but I did...

1449
01:24:30.539 --> 01:24:33.180
I'm shortly think...

1450
01:24:33.600 --> 01:24:36.659
Yeah, well, yeah, I mean, musical theatre, though, probably.

1451
01:24:36.659 --> 01:24:38.340
Oh, there.

1452
01:24:38.460 --> 01:24:41.279
I mean, I showed you some pictures of him, didn't I?

1453
01:24:41.699 --> 01:24:42.840
Oh yeah, he was very pretty.

1454
01:24:43.560 --> 01:24:44.460
Very pretty man.

1455
01:24:45.060 --> 01:24:46.979
The hair is such, so unfortunate.