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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So this week we're watching another Star Trek, the original series

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episode, and it is from series three.

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It's Spectre of the Gun.

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Is there anything you want to tell us about it before we launch

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into it?

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Well, Spectra of the Gun was the 1st episode of season 3 to go

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before the cameras.

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Ah, and I think you can tell because I think there's still a

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little bit of season 2 magic occurring here.

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It's before, you know, before the good wills run out in season

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three.

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We get to when the children shall lead and Spock's brain and all

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that lot, you know?

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And it's one of 4 scripts in this season that are written by Lee

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Cronin, which remember I said to you before was the pen name for

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Gene probably trying to slip under the radar without the Gene

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Roddenberry noticing him.

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Um, I'm going to say straight off the bat, I think this is a

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really strong episode of the original series.

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And I think it basically gets everything right that Spock's brain

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got wrong.

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Yeah, yeah.

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I honestly had not seen it all the way through before.

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And I am fairly certain I've been in the room when it's been on or

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something, like I've seen bits of it, and obviously it's terribly

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iconic.

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Yeah, it's the imagery, isn't it?

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sticks in your head.

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I deliberately have come today wearing a maroon red t-shirt.

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Yeah, it's the exact colour of the sky in this episode.

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Yeah, it's amazingly good.

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It's very simple.

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Like it's super straightforward.

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It does have something to say, I think.

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Do you remember a fistful of data in TNG?

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Yeah, which is the other big Western episode of Star Trek.

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This is so much better than a fiscal of day is.

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And you may argue at this point.

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I just think that's directed by Patrick Stewart, that one.

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When I was back at college, I did a media course and we studied

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Westerns, which I've always found very, very boring, but I had a

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really good appreciation of them when studying the genre and just

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all the fundamental basics of a Western are essentially ignored.

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It's got all the cliches, but none of the wide open vistas, like

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none of the filming techniques, but actually they do far more of

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that here in a studio than they do in a fistful of days.

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I feel, I feel like, um, that series 5 episode of TNG is listless

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and it feels like they've taken a camera to a Western town for a

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day and just had a bit of a jolly.

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Whereas this, I feel like they're actually making a Western in

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this story and they understand the genre.

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I think, though, that a fistful of daters does have Marina Syrtis

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in leather pants in it.

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So it does have that going for it.

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Oh my god, it has her worst line delivery ever.

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Do you not remember?

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Where she's by the barrel and someone comes in and she's like, goes

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that won't even think about it.

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And she's trying to do this.

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She's trying to do this American accent. really terrible.

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But isn't that Deanna doing a bad American accent?

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Like, isn't that deliberate?

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I think it's really fun.

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She's terrific in that episode.

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I was like, I know we're talking about Spectrum, the gun, by.

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I just going to say one seat.

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Do you not remember where it's like, she goes, what, Durango?

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My name's Durango.

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He goes, oh, yes.

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Counsellor Durango.

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There's some fun bits in it, and I love the buxom woman who's like

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oh, marry me. and she, but it's Brent Spiner playing it with a

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pair of teasel.

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It's not fun.

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I just don't think it's a great Western.

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Whereas, you know, this isn't really a Western, is it?

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It's like this 1st contact and there's all sorts happening within

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this episode, but it just gets the sort of the imagery right and

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the tone.

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I think it's really properly tense, and I think it's beautifully

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directed.

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Yeah, it is.

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And, uh, you know, we've been talking about action sequences in

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Berman Trek last week, you know, when they were in that shuttle

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pod and literally just sort of touching the walls a bit.

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Whereas there's an action sequent at the end of this.

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There's a high angles and handheld camera work and it's all very

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exciting.

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And I'm like, oh, this was 30 years earlier, for God's sakes, you

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know?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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It's not the sort of thing that Star Trek the Next Generation

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would have attempted at all.

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I guess we can talk about that as we're going through, but this is

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the sort of thing that may, well, maybe Star Trek the Next

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Generation might have done it in season one before they...

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Really, really terribly.

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Yeah, yeah, you know, very badly.

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It would have had Tasha Yar being madly over the top, you know.

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Oh, protect you, captain.

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You know?

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Yeah, so bad.

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But what this does as well, you know, is, you know, one of your, uh

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many complaints of 90 Trek.

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I know, you love it, is isn't quite visually weird enough or

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conceptually weird enough sometimes.

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And I think this does that.

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It's basically, you said to me before, original trek, it kind of

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scores on that level, and that's where kind of discovery picks up

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the mantle, but does it with a massive budget, you know, the same

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sort of thing.

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Yeah, no, it wants to be like original trek in a way that Star

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Trek the Next Generation absolutely doesn't want to be.

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Although nothing's like original trek in terms of melodrama

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because there's plenty of that in this as well.

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So good.

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Everyone's taking it so fucking seriously, aren't they?

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I'm like, are you mad?

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Have you not seen the absurd things that are occurring around

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you?

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And there's Shatner behaving like he's in the gravest Shakespeare

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play you've ever seen, you know?

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He's so good in this He's very good.

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And I think this is before, like I said, the 1st one in series

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three.

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So this is before the goodwill of the actors has run out as well.

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If you recall Spot's brain waves riving about on the floor quite a

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lot.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah.

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You think we should get going?

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Oh, yeah, I can't wait.

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Let's see the gunfight at the okay corral.

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All right.

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Well, I will count us in in that case.

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Five, four, three, two, one, and we're off.

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Did you realise that how long the pre-credit sequence was in

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this?

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Oh, how long was it?

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It does take a while, doesn't it?

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It's nearly 5 minutes.

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It's the 2nd it's the 2nd longest in original trek.

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Wow, okay.

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I mean they routinely do 15 minutes nowadays, don't they?

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Yeah, but you said it the other week.

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They don't play by the rules anymore, do they?

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You know, they do part they do part 3 of a two-parter, 10 years

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later or whatever.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, 30 years later.

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So, I think, so when I watched it today, I watched the new special

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effects.

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Did you?

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Can you see the new special effects?

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So I'm watching on Netflix and they've only got the new special

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effects and it's all like in beautiful HD.

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So this direction just felt even more crisp, you know?

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It looked really good.

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I think I am now watching for the 1st time the original special

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effects.

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So yeah, yeah.

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So last time I watched it on Netflix as well.

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And so I got the very, very crisp and beautiful, um, you know, that

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that opening shot, uh, over the enterprise and stuff that starts

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starts the episode, um, and that this sort of weird...

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What are you seeing on the screen right now then?

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So it is a rotating boy.

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It is rotating and changing colour, but it's just a physical

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object, I think.

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Oh, okay.

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That's being lit.

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I mean, I'll never, I'll never condemn original track for having

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ropey special effects.

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No, like it was groundbreaking it at the time.

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Yeah.

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And we spoke about this, didn't we?

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I think that the new special, the new special effects are a way of

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ensuring that the show continues to have an audience and that it

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looks as good as it possibly can.

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And they're pretty sympathetic.

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The trouble with it is, is I think with episodes like this, which

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I don't really think there's anything too embarrassing about this

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episode.

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So it just enhances how good it all looks.

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Whereas if it's a really shit episode.

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It just imparts is how crap it is, doesn't it?

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So once again, we get born in HD glory, you know?

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It blinks in the special edition.

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No, does it?

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Yep.

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It's inanimate, but it blinks.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. blinks.

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I love this thing too, where they all hear it in their own

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language, Swahili and Vulcan, and it's that same voice that not

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quite the same voice, but the same kind of voice as we got in, um

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in the episode we did last time.

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I'm completely blanking on the...

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Not Spock's brain.

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No, the one before that.

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Oh, the Kobamite maneuver.

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Oh, yeah.

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It's always an Englishman, isn't it?

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Playing the mysterious voice.

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I could do it, no.

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No, no, I think it's like a very, very serious American radio

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presenter or something.

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It's that sort of this, this voice is slightly different, but it's

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the same sort of thing.

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I mean, this is very Corbamite maneuver at the beginning, isn't

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it?

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A mysterious object, you know, giving ultimatums to them and

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stuff.

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But it did highlight, you said about the Swahili thing.

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It did highlight just how little Ahura is in this.

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And actually, it would have been so nice if she'd have gone down

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to them.

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Because like if this had been like a DS9 episode, you'd have had

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Dax and you'd like Kira down there, you know, gum slinging and

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being very cool.

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You know, fistful of daters, you had marina circus and hat, you

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know, the mysterious stranger come into town.

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Whereas this is all men.

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This episode.

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Yeah, you know, and that's a shame.

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The Western is that though, isn't it?

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Like, but this is supposed to be progressive, isn't it?

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Yeah, and it is progressive and that's one of the things that it

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actually says, but perhaps just not progressive enough.

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I think the only woman in this, isn't it?

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is the one who's fixating on Chekhov.

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Yeah, yeah, that's properly funny too.

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You said they take it seriously, but the check-off relationship

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with that woman is actually pretty funny.

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No, no, I mean, I mean, Shatner.

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He's taking it very seriously.

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Yeah, yeah. this, you know, but in a very, I mean, it makes it

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funnier, I think, how he takes it.

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Now, this is so weird. stepping through the smoke and then the

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mysterious face that comes out of the fog.

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It's really good too.

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I mean, it's clearly sort of papier mache or something.

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Like it's not, but they haven't changed that.

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They haven't changed that.

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No, no, no, no.

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Because it's good enough.

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You know?

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Yeah, yeah.

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Oh, can I just say James Duhan was appalled at Scotty's new back

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comb look.

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Now, I know we mentioned this in Stock's Brave.

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He's got the burial cream going and unfortunately, no, he did get

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his own way eventually and his hair went back to normal, but

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because they did the episodes out of order, he's back going, he's

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normally back.

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Scotty can't make up his mind, you know.

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He's experimenting with a new look this year.

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But I think this is really quite chilling looking, this face.

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It's kind of like your head can't get around it, you know?

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It's a bit weird.

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Look, I mean, it's kind of crap and it's saved by some strategic

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lighting and a lot of smoke and it has a sort of skull like look

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to it too, I think.

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But it's that thing where you're, you know, we talked about on

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discovery, sometimes you're just not quite sure what it is that

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you're seeing.

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And I think that's that.

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Are you kidding me?

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This whole episode's like that.

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I said, before we started recording, my brain just kept switching

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off, I'd not been able to process what I was in these flats in a

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Western town and, you know, bizarre things occurring.

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But I don't know, like we've seen, you know, in original track

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we're massive fans of Doctor Who, we've seen far worse. in that

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age, you know, sure.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And also, like, you know, you remember the episode with Adrian

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Abraham Lincoln flying through space in case I'm down to the

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planet and there's that massive turd creature that comes glowing

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eyes and smoke all coming off him amazing, you know.

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I still think they could pull it out of the bag, you know, in

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series three.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah.

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And they, like, they're willing to go weird.

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I mean, this is very, very weird this episode. kind of

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incomprehensible.

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Like, it doesn't make sense.

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And it does, it sort of plays by weird rules.

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Well, I don't know.

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I think, yeah, I mean, it doesn't make sense as in they put them

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through this very strange ordeal in order to get to the point.

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But the point makes sense is like, are you violent?

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If you are, we do not want to know you if you're not, come to our

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planet, you know.

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It's just a very surreal way of figuring that out, you know?

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Yeah, yeah.

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So, oh, sorry, go on.

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No, no, I'm just kind of thinking, right, this is what, 1968, I

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think.

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And Um, There are a lot of Westerns on television in America in

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1968.

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And, and Star Trek, you know, that waggon train to the stars thing

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it is a sort of space western where you turn up somewhere and you

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fix something and then you disappear.

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You know, it has some of that structure.

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It's got a lot of western and its DNA.

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The actual premise of DS9 was that it was a frontier town.

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You've got the sheriff and you've got the bar, you know, so DSI

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was, and all the strangers come to town with their stories and, you

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know, that was basically the idea of it.

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I think next gen pushed away from that a little bit.

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But, uh, original series was definitely, what was it called?

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Waggon, waggon train.

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Waggon train to the stars.

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Yeah.

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And and so this is Star Trek saying we're not this.

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We're not a Western and we don't approach the problem-solving

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thing the way that a Western does.

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Because Western solves problems through violence.

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Knights and human species.

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Wow, I do love, I'm pre-empting now.

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I do love the bit where Kirk says, actually, I wanted to be

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violent.

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I wasn't, but I wanted to be.

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So it's like, you know, the potential is still there.

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I just want to point out how spectacularly good the lighting is in

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this episode.

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And I think the reason why it's so visually impressive is because

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of how the characters are highlighting.

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There's almost something very theatrical about it.

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It's like they're on a stage and there's a lot of kind of shadows

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behind that and they're sharply contrasted against it. lighting in

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60s television is vital.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah.

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Like some of our favourite 60s shows that aren't Star Trek and

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things shot in black and white, where again, lighting absolutely

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makes it.

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But look, there's shadows on their faces, like, and there's lots

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of black in the frame.

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It's, it's really interesting.

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It is the sort of thing that you might have got in lighting in

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black and white.

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You know, in sharp contrast to Spock's brain that we watched.

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Remember, we were going, well, it's so linear and there's just

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there's nothing happening and they're just going from A to B to C

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and it's, you know, there's just no substance to it.

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There's a mystery here to solve, you know, in a very weird

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setting.

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So I'll just say, and it is a proper, this is like what I imagine

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original Star Trek to be. a proper adventure. with these fun group

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of characters, you know?

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Yeah.

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This just feels like still TOS to me.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Well, you know, when the sky is realised through flats, which

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happens so often in original track and in early next gen as well.

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Boy, does it?

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Yeah, it never looks good.

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And imagine if they had decided that they were going to go for a

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more realistic kind of take on it and it had been a blue flat, you

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know, and and they had shot around the fact that the buildings

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aren't all built or whatever.

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It would have been so lacklustre, like so much less interesting.

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It's so bizarre.

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It's like the budget actually leans into this, like the lack of

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budget, sorry, leans into this being more impressive than it

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otherwise would have been because they've got these weird flats

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which are clearly flats, you know, like there's no there's no

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depth of them at all.

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And it's a hard, like it's a hard setting to process.

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When they were going into rooms. that don't have walls.

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They were still outside, but it was also like a bar or a sheriff's

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office and things like that.

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My brain just kept saying, what is going on?

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Yeah, the red is really, really oppressive.

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And it's blood red, isn't it?

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For an episode about violence.

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Do you think that's deliberate?

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Well, I don't know, possibly, it only just occurs to me, but it is

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it's an unpleasant red.

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I mean, look at the red of Scotty's uniform, which is just a much

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more kind of standard.

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It's, you know, primary colour red.

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And, but this is, like, it's like a bruise or something.

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It's it's unpleasant.

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Um, and it's really, really iconic.

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Yeah, but look, are there walls in there, but they're just painted

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the same red?

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No.

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No, there's no walls.

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It's literally no walls.

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It's not a set.

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It's just the exterior flat and then you go in.

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It's like a set.

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Yeah, it's amazing, isn't it?

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Obviously, this was originally.

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I said to you before we put it, this was supposed to be done on

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location.

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And I don't think it would be anywhere near as impressive if it

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had a bit.

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No, I think it would have been a bit terrible.

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Almost memorable.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, it would have been Star Trek does its Western episode.

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Like a fistful of daters. where they're on, Are they on the

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Paramount lot or something?

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It's just a, you know, they've got a Western town lying around.

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They can shoot in.

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They do go out on location.

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But it tells you.

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Red Dwarf went to a Western town that's in England, right?

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And unfortunately, you know, it's it's been raining, of course.

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And so it's all the mud's churned up and it basically looks like a

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Western town blocked in the middle of England.

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But they shoot it better.

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Like they shoot it better than a fish full of daters.

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They shoot it more imaginatively.

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Yeah, I think I think the director does make a massive impact on

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this one.

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Yeah, you're right. trees.

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Deforest Kelly, you know, had been acting in Westerns his entire

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life.

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His entire professional brain.

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And he actually played one of the Clammons in a Western years

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earlier.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, this guy, this guy is so that's the other thing.

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The, they're really strange looking.

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Like the men, the men in this town are ugly in all sorts of ways.

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Like they've got a really hideous bunch of actors, of guest cast.

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But the, um, they're all playing it straight as well.

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I quite like that, you know, it could have all been very kind of

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tongue-y.

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Do you remember a piece of the action, the Chicago episode?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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No, actually, that belies what we just said there, because that

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was all done on location, and that is fantastic.

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That episode is really, really fun.

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Oh, look, here we go.

443
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Oh, you know, Chekhov, right?

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Apparently there was a series of memos that did the rounds after

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series 2 was over, saying, well, we need to give Chekhov more to

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do.

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Hence the fact that he's in the 1st episode, he's given this

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subplot, romantic subplot.

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Yeah.

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Yes, and he gets to do lots of kissing.

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It's so great.

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But I know.

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I know you want to have a go about his Beatles hair again.

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I still love it.

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It is so dreadful.

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It's so bad He always looks a bit baffled, doesn't he?

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He's very wrong-like.

458
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Yeah.

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Yeah.

460
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Yeah, well, it's this thing straight away.

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Kirk doesn't try to solve the problem through violence.

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He refuses to draw, even before he kind of quite knows what's

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going on.

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Like, it's not clear that this is a test.

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Is it?

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The Malkosians have said to them that they are going to be killed

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that they're being killed here.

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And so they're expecting, you know, and they've been put here to

469
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be killed in this sort of way.

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And it, like, I don't know that the script makes it very clear, but

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it seems clear that they have, Well, the script says they've read

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Kirk's mind and that that's where they got the town from.

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You think he watches a lot of Westerns then?

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But they don't talk about it in those terms.

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Like if you did it now or with a fistful of daters, it's a Western

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rather than a frontier town, whereas this is America in 1881 and

477
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it's super violent, and that's how problems are solved around

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here.

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And it's made clear that the law doesn't mean anything, and it is

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just the person who wins at the gunfight, who wins.

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So I suppose it does make sense in a weird sort of way.

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And they are manipulated into a situation where the cliche

483
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dictates that violence is the solution.

484
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Yeah.

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But because they're never told it's a test.

486
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It's like, you know.

487
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Yeah.

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I just love everyone else's reaction because Chekhov gets to kiss

489
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someone and they're all just kind of sitting there being slightly

490
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annoyed.

491
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I love the fact that Spock's got a gun around his belt.

492
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It's fabulous.

493
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Yeah.

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He's great in this as well.

495
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I thought Leonard Nimoy was really good in this.

496
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There's an electric scene a little bit later, like in the episode

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which I just think he's magnificent again.

498
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So good.

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Can I ask you a question?

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Do you think they pull this off with more aplom than the other 60s

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studio band Western that we both know about, which is Doctor Who's

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the Gunfighters?

503
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Yeah, see, it's interesting, isn't it, that Doctor Who did this

504
00:23:57.119 --> 00:24:04.079
like did a Western inner studio and and it's also about the

505
00:24:04.079 --> 00:24:05.400
gunfight at the OK Corral.

506
00:24:05.519 --> 00:24:08.400
Like it seems to be, you know, the thing that we're doing.

507
00:24:08.460 --> 00:24:09.480
It must be in there.

508
00:24:09.539 --> 00:24:11.579
It's kind of like the most exciting thing you can do with AS

509
00:24:11.579 --> 00:24:11.819
there.

510
00:24:11.880 --> 00:24:14.279
It's like you're building up to a climax with a massive shootout

511
00:24:14.279 --> 00:24:14.579
you know?

512
00:24:14.640 --> 00:24:19.380
Yeah, and Doctor Who does that, it's largely comedic.

513
00:24:19.440 --> 00:24:20.819
I think it lags a bit.

514
00:24:20.880 --> 00:24:26.339
We all, uh, because for a long time everyone hated the gunfighters

515
00:24:26.339 --> 00:24:27.420
because they hadn't seen it.

516
00:24:27.480 --> 00:24:30.539
And then when we all saw it we discovered that it was actually

517
00:24:30.539 --> 00:24:31.380
really quite fun.

518
00:24:31.440 --> 00:24:34.920
But, like, it's superbly executed.

519
00:24:34.980 --> 00:24:36.299
I think it's really well directed.

520
00:24:36.359 --> 00:24:37.500
Yeah, yeah.

521
00:24:37.559 --> 00:24:40.859
And in fact, I would say it's probably, it's doing something quite

522
00:24:40.859 --> 00:24:43.019
different from this, obviously, because this is deliberately

523
00:24:43.019 --> 00:24:43.799
fucking old.

524
00:24:43.859 --> 00:24:46.859
And that's just going for, it is a Western.

525
00:24:46.920 --> 00:24:54.119
Um, But like the finale of the gunfighters is all shot on film

526
00:24:54.119 --> 00:24:56.039
like Star Trek is.

527
00:24:56.039 --> 00:25:01.619
Um, and it's all that gunfight is genuinely dynamic.

528
00:25:01.680 --> 00:25:02.640
It's really really good.

529
00:25:03.660 --> 00:25:08.700
So I don't know, it's it's interesting that on, you know, probably

530
00:25:08.700 --> 00:25:11.640
one 10th of the budget, they can achieve the same sort of

531
00:25:11.640 --> 00:25:12.119
effects.

532
00:25:12.180 --> 00:25:17.759
Yeah, whereas Star Trek, like, like, I want to say this is

533
00:25:17.759 --> 00:25:23.039
budgetary reasons, and it must be, uh, you were saying earlier, Joe

534
00:25:23.039 --> 00:25:27.480
that um, the original intention had been to shoot this on location

535
00:25:27.480 --> 00:25:31.619
or on the backlot or something where they're actually outside and

536
00:25:31.619 --> 00:25:33.480
we've got the real sky and everything.

537
00:25:33.539 --> 00:25:36.359
And then they decide they can't afford to do that.

538
00:25:36.420 --> 00:25:40.559
But they could still have attempted to do what Doctor Who did

539
00:25:40.559 --> 00:25:43.740
which was to try and look realist.

540
00:25:43.799 --> 00:25:44.339
Yeah.

541
00:25:44.400 --> 00:25:45.660
But they don't.

542
00:25:45.720 --> 00:25:47.579
Like it...

543
00:25:47.579 --> 00:25:54.480
It's so funny. where this guy says to who he thinks is Ike Clanton

544
00:25:54.480 --> 00:25:57.240
that he can't show his ugly face around here again or he was told

545
00:25:57.240 --> 00:25:59.819
not to show his ugly face around here again.

546
00:25:59.880 --> 00:26:04.140
And the 2 of them are so fucking ugly and they're talking about

547
00:26:04.140 --> 00:26:06.960
they're talking about Shatner. look how rough these people look.

548
00:26:07.019 --> 00:26:09.000
Shana looks very pre though.

549
00:26:09.059 --> 00:26:09.900
He does.

550
00:26:09.960 --> 00:26:11.039
Yeah.

551
00:26:11.099 --> 00:26:12.900
He's not the one with the ugly face in this scene.

552
00:26:15.839 --> 00:26:19.079
You're being so mean about these poor cowboys.

553
00:26:19.140 --> 00:26:21.539
Don't you think that's deliberate?

554
00:26:21.599 --> 00:26:28.440
Like, I think the way that they are scary looking and impassive

555
00:26:28.440 --> 00:26:33.960
and the director actually puts them in these sort of tableaux as

556
00:26:33.960 --> 00:26:34.200
well.

557
00:26:34.259 --> 00:26:39.480
Like there's frequently a few of them in shot, uh, at the same

558
00:26:39.480 --> 00:26:39.900
time.

559
00:26:39.960 --> 00:26:42.960
And, you know, their faces are half in shadow.

560
00:26:43.019 --> 00:26:47.339
And I think they seem really quite frightening.

561
00:26:47.759 --> 00:26:52.920
I think as well that because Shatner pitches his performance very

562
00:26:52.920 --> 00:26:53.460
seriously.

563
00:26:53.519 --> 00:26:56.940
It does actually feel like there's a genuine threat here.

564
00:26:57.000 --> 00:27:00.539
Because if they were all going around like, oh, well, this is fun

565
00:27:00.539 --> 00:27:03.599
it's jolly on a Western, you know, flat out, how delightful.

566
00:27:03.660 --> 00:27:06.779
I don't think, you know, we'd be as invested as we are.

567
00:27:06.839 --> 00:27:10.200
We're thinking if Tom Paris was here talking about Westerns and

568
00:27:10.200 --> 00:27:12.119
how much he loves them or something.

569
00:27:12.180 --> 00:27:13.799
Oh, my God, Tom.

570
00:27:13.859 --> 00:27:17.099
You know, you're the biggest fan of Westerns, aren't you?

571
00:27:17.160 --> 00:27:18.480
Yeah, there's never been mentioned before.

572
00:27:18.960 --> 00:27:22.859
On the shelf next to your book of trucks and your book of cartoons

573
00:27:22.859 --> 00:27:23.880
and...

574
00:27:23.940 --> 00:27:25.079
Yeah, exactly.

575
00:27:25.140 --> 00:27:27.900
Crappy 50s sci-fi. the whole thing.

576
00:27:29.099 --> 00:27:33.960
In fact, the one person who doesn't take it seriously is Chekhov.

577
00:27:34.559 --> 00:27:37.140
It doesn't take anything seriously, though.

578
00:27:37.200 --> 00:27:41.400
No, but he gets to, this stuff is so funny.

579
00:27:41.460 --> 00:27:48.119
So this is the alcohol, the, um, and McCoy's giving it to them

580
00:27:48.119 --> 00:27:49.380
because it's medicinal.

581
00:27:49.440 --> 00:27:54.900
They ought to label it for external use only. is such a great

582
00:27:54.900 --> 00:27:55.319
line.

583
00:27:55.440 --> 00:27:58.319
I kind of slouched on the table there.

584
00:27:58.380 --> 00:27:59.759
Yeah, I know.

585
00:27:59.819 --> 00:28:02.400
He's absolutely at home in this Western, I think.

586
00:28:03.960 --> 00:28:07.500
They do have fantastic chemistry though, don't they?

587
00:28:07.559 --> 00:28:11.640
No, I know I'm complaining that it's all blokes, but as an

588
00:28:11.640 --> 00:28:12.539
ensemble.

589
00:28:12.599 --> 00:28:14.579
It's rarely a bit vettered, I think.

590
00:28:15.119 --> 00:28:17.339
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

591
00:28:18.180 --> 00:28:21.720
It is weird though, because I find it in the later seasons.

592
00:28:21.779 --> 00:28:24.299
That's where I don't think I don't remember Scotty being around

593
00:28:24.299 --> 00:28:25.740
that much in series one.

594
00:28:25.799 --> 00:28:28.440
And obviously Chekhov when it came in series two.

595
00:28:28.500 --> 00:28:33.119
So they were trying to broaden things a bit. in later years, you

596
00:28:33.119 --> 00:28:33.299
know?

597
00:28:33.960 --> 00:28:39.599
But I still think it's those three, the 3 main ones who are so

598
00:28:39.599 --> 00:28:40.559
good together.

599
00:28:40.740 --> 00:28:44.880
Yeah, this, where Chekhov says if he gets shot at by this gun

600
00:28:44.880 --> 00:28:48.059
because it's not a phaser, he can just walk out of the way.

601
00:28:48.119 --> 00:28:51.960
Like he's, he's, he's not frightened by this.

602
00:28:52.019 --> 00:28:54.180
Dude, you think they're setting up something that might happen

603
00:28:54.180 --> 00:28:55.079
later on in the episode?

604
00:28:55.140 --> 00:28:55.980
I think they are.

605
00:28:56.039 --> 00:28:58.259
Sky's looking even more oppressive.

606
00:28:58.380 --> 00:28:59.640
I swear he's getting darker.

607
00:28:59.700 --> 00:29:02.220
It's really good, isn't it?

608
00:29:02.279 --> 00:29:03.660
such a good choice.

609
00:29:03.779 --> 00:29:07.019
And you know, like we said about being on location.

610
00:29:07.079 --> 00:29:10.140
If that was the case, then it wouldn't have had any of the

611
00:29:10.140 --> 00:29:13.140
oppressive lighting that we've talked about either.

612
00:29:13.200 --> 00:29:14.940
It would be such a different effect.

613
00:29:14.940 --> 00:29:15.960
They'd have less control over it.

614
00:29:16.019 --> 00:29:16.380
Yeah.

615
00:29:17.519 --> 00:29:21.599
And it's so wonderful because it looks cheap and it's deliberate.

616
00:29:21.660 --> 00:29:23.099
Like, you know, Yeah.

617
00:29:23.160 --> 00:29:26.700
Although if you turned on now and went, oh, well, what is this?

618
00:29:26.759 --> 00:29:27.180
You know?

619
00:29:27.420 --> 00:29:31.559
But it's doing that wonderful thing that Star Trek at his best

620
00:29:31.559 --> 00:29:36.059
does and that's taking something familiar and something weird.

621
00:29:36.119 --> 00:29:41.279
And I think, uh, TOS does that extremely well, you know, we'll go

622
00:29:41.279 --> 00:29:42.059
down to a quarry.

623
00:29:42.119 --> 00:29:44.460
Oh, look, there's the bunny out of Alice in Wonderland running

624
00:29:44.460 --> 00:29:45.299
around to know.

625
00:29:45.720 --> 00:29:48.839
What about this clock, which just seems to be hanging in the sky?

626
00:29:48.900 --> 00:29:53.940
So when we see the shots of the clock that's counting down to 5 PM

627
00:29:54.000 --> 00:29:58.200
it's not hanging on anything, it's just in the sky.

628
00:29:58.259 --> 00:30:01.019
And I think that's so great.

629
00:30:01.380 --> 00:30:06.839
The bizarre dramatic zooms in and out when we go from scene to

630
00:30:06.839 --> 00:30:07.380
scene, you know?

631
00:30:07.440 --> 00:30:11.339
Yeah, that's very strange. awful, you'd be all over that.

632
00:30:11.400 --> 00:30:13.799
You love all that sort of stuff in discovery.

633
00:30:13.859 --> 00:30:15.420
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

634
00:30:15.480 --> 00:30:16.380
Yeah, yeah.

635
00:30:16.440 --> 00:30:17.339
Roll the camera over.

636
00:30:17.400 --> 00:30:21.000
It's not, you know, it's not a stationary camera watching 79 walk

637
00:30:21.000 --> 00:30:21.779
away stately.

638
00:30:25.680 --> 00:30:28.740
Did you watch all of this at the time?

639
00:30:29.519 --> 00:30:31.140
TOS?

640
00:30:31.200 --> 00:30:34.019
No, no, no.

641
00:30:34.140 --> 00:30:39.480
So the last episode of TOS is the only one that was broadcast in

642
00:30:39.480 --> 00:30:40.140
my lifetime.

643
00:30:40.259 --> 00:30:42.539
Oh, yeah, you said sorry.

644
00:30:42.599 --> 00:30:43.559
Yeah.

645
00:30:43.559 --> 00:30:45.359
Oh my god, I made sound really old.

646
00:30:45.420 --> 00:30:46.319
How old do you think I am?

647
00:30:46.980 --> 00:30:50.579
I'm looking a bit rough this evening. might explain it.

648
00:30:50.640 --> 00:30:52.980
I'm sorry No, that question came out wrong.

649
00:30:53.039 --> 00:30:54.539
Please allow me to reprase that.

650
00:30:54.599 --> 00:30:57.180
I do not think you're like 70 years old, all right?

651
00:30:57.539 --> 00:31:00.059
He's very pretty, everybody, honestly.

652
00:31:00.839 --> 00:31:04.500
Sorry, did you watch this when you were a child is what I meant?

653
00:31:04.559 --> 00:31:05.279
No.

654
00:31:05.339 --> 00:31:06.720
No, I didn't.

655
00:31:06.779 --> 00:31:11.339
And I remember as a kid being told that Star Trek was scary and

656
00:31:11.339 --> 00:31:15.539
would give me nightmares and I did see little bits and pieces of

657
00:31:15.539 --> 00:31:19.740
it, but the 1st Star Trek that I ever seriously watched was Star

658
00:31:19.740 --> 00:31:21.660
Trek, the Next Generation.

659
00:31:21.720 --> 00:31:25.559
And then after that I went back and looked at some of these.

660
00:31:25.619 --> 00:31:26.880
There's still gaps, isn't it?

661
00:31:26.940 --> 00:31:27.839
You haven't watched all of it.

662
00:31:27.900 --> 00:31:28.500
Yeah, yeah.

663
00:31:28.559 --> 00:31:29.160
Look at this.

664
00:31:29.220 --> 00:31:33.180
That sign that says teeth pulling by appointment is hanging in the

665
00:31:33.180 --> 00:31:33.420
air.

666
00:31:33.480 --> 00:31:36.240
Well, I mean, I think I can just about see a string.

667
00:31:36.299 --> 00:31:37.380
But yeah, I get the idea.

668
00:31:37.440 --> 00:31:39.779
But yes, isn't that such a great choice.

669
00:31:39.839 --> 00:31:42.299
It's such an odd thing to do.

670
00:31:42.900 --> 00:31:45.240
And I think this is great as well.

671
00:31:45.299 --> 00:31:48.000
You've got Doc Holiday in the chair, right?

672
00:31:48.059 --> 00:31:51.180
And McCoy's coming into steal his supplies.

673
00:31:51.240 --> 00:31:54.059
That's a weird thing about McCoy just going, well, I need it, so

674
00:31:54.059 --> 00:31:55.079
I'm going to have it, you know.

675
00:31:55.380 --> 00:31:57.180
And he gets up.

676
00:31:57.240 --> 00:31:58.140
He's really menacing.

677
00:31:58.200 --> 00:31:59.640
The performance is really.

678
00:31:59.700 --> 00:32:00.299
Yeah.

679
00:32:00.660 --> 00:32:02.940
Well, it's funny, isn't it?

680
00:32:03.000 --> 00:32:05.819
It's kind of like, well, we're prepared to let you do this.

681
00:32:05.880 --> 00:32:11.279
We don't care because we're going to shoot you dead in a couple of

682
00:32:11.279 --> 00:32:11.819
hours.

683
00:32:12.180 --> 00:32:18.420
I will say, no, um, and, uh, Oh, good grief, I've forgotten the

684
00:32:18.420 --> 00:32:22.440
guy's name, Scott McNulty from Random Trek, of which we are still

685
00:32:22.440 --> 00:32:24.359
waiting on an invite to appear on.

686
00:32:24.359 --> 00:32:25.440
Why is our invite, Scott?

687
00:32:25.500 --> 00:32:25.740
Yeah.

688
00:32:25.799 --> 00:32:27.779
I mean, I am certainly out for a while.

689
00:32:27.839 --> 00:32:32.700
But he always says that TOS episodes are about 5 or 10 minutes too

690
00:32:32.700 --> 00:32:32.940
long.

691
00:32:33.000 --> 00:32:35.220
And I generally think it's true.

692
00:32:35.220 --> 00:32:39.299
And I, this didn't sag as badly as some.

693
00:32:39.359 --> 00:32:41.880
Not Spock's brain, for example.

694
00:32:42.539 --> 00:32:47.759
But this could be a little snipped, I think.

695
00:32:48.839 --> 00:32:54.359
But I'm the one who complains about how slow 90s trek he is.

696
00:32:54.420 --> 00:33:03.359
And I think this is slow, but the kind of slowness of it, you know

697
00:33:03.359 --> 00:33:07.680
everyone's moving slowly, that it's, it's, like they're really

698
00:33:07.680 --> 00:33:10.559
playing into creating tension.

699
00:33:10.799 --> 00:33:16.319
I think there's a lot of shots of just these guest characters

700
00:33:16.319 --> 00:33:21.119
standing around looking menacing and I think that works.

701
00:33:21.599 --> 00:33:26.279
Did you notice the music in this episode, like the fun Western

702
00:33:26.279 --> 00:33:26.759
themes.

703
00:33:26.819 --> 00:33:31.019
Now, this was Jerry Fielding, the music for this, and he only did

704
00:33:31.019 --> 00:33:35.279
one other Star Trek episode, and that was the Trouble with

705
00:33:35.279 --> 00:33:38.819
Tribbles, and that's got a really distinctive musical score.

706
00:33:38.880 --> 00:33:39.599
Yeah, yeah.

707
00:33:39.660 --> 00:33:41.519
They should have had him back more often, I think.

708
00:33:41.579 --> 00:33:43.319
Yeah, he's good then.

709
00:33:43.380 --> 00:33:45.180
I think this was good.

710
00:33:45.779 --> 00:33:47.759
Oh, here she is.

711
00:33:47.819 --> 00:33:49.680
Yeah, see, I really want...

712
00:33:49.740 --> 00:33:51.000
See, I really want a tough woman in this.

713
00:33:51.059 --> 00:33:54.839
Actually, maybe we should have been 1st season TNG.

714
00:33:54.960 --> 00:33:56.400
We going to have Tasha Yar, didn't we?

715
00:33:59.759 --> 00:34:02.220
Yeah, so this is a big scene though, isn't it?

716
00:34:02.339 --> 00:34:05.279
Oh, Chekhov gets his robots.

717
00:34:05.339 --> 00:34:05.940
Do you know what, though?

718
00:34:06.000 --> 00:34:07.319
He's such a bloody ledge.

719
00:34:07.380 --> 00:34:08.519
Every planet he goes on.

720
00:34:08.579 --> 00:34:10.260
He's trying to cop off for somebody.

721
00:34:10.380 --> 00:34:14.280
Seriously, even in the dark recesses of Kirk's mind here.

722
00:34:14.400 --> 00:34:15.719
He's still trying to get off on somebody.

723
00:34:15.780 --> 00:34:17.400
That's the idea, isn't it?

724
00:34:17.460 --> 00:34:18.539
Isn't this all in Kirk's head?

725
00:34:19.019 --> 00:34:21.059
No, I don't think so.

726
00:34:21.179 --> 00:34:22.619
Is this actually on the planet?

727
00:34:24.000 --> 00:34:26.460
They say in the last scene, don't they?

728
00:34:26.519 --> 00:34:27.960
None of it, none of it happened.

729
00:34:28.019 --> 00:34:30.900
Well, yeah, I'm not sure about that.

730
00:34:30.960 --> 00:34:35.219
Like, they say that Chekhov was up on the bridge the whole time.

731
00:34:36.239 --> 00:34:38.639
Because you know what this feels like, though?

732
00:34:38.699 --> 00:34:40.019
This does feel like a holiday episode.

733
00:34:40.199 --> 00:34:47.760
Yeah, we see, I think that the holodeck exists to give a more

734
00:34:47.760 --> 00:34:53.159
serious, sensible explanation for why we're going to have a story

735
00:34:53.159 --> 00:34:57.960
set in, you know, why we have a piece of the action or what's that

736
00:34:57.960 --> 00:35:00.840
one where it's ancient Rome, you know?

737
00:35:01.320 --> 00:35:02.940
Is that requiem for you?

738
00:35:03.539 --> 00:35:05.159
Yeah, yeah.

739
00:35:05.219 --> 00:35:06.239
Really terrible.

740
00:35:06.420 --> 00:35:10.320
Oh, the one or the one with Rome where it's a TV studio.

741
00:35:10.380 --> 00:35:13.800
It's literally being filmed and it's all part of like the

742
00:35:13.800 --> 00:35:15.360
political gender of the planet.

743
00:35:15.420 --> 00:35:16.679
The gladiatorial games.

744
00:35:16.800 --> 00:35:18.719
Yeah, the bread and circuses.

745
00:35:18.780 --> 00:35:19.980
Yeah, that one.

746
00:35:20.039 --> 00:35:21.059
Yeah, yeah.

747
00:35:21.119 --> 00:35:24.719
And so what they do is they say, well, we can have Westerns or

748
00:35:24.719 --> 00:35:25.079
whatever.

749
00:35:25.139 --> 00:35:27.719
We've got the holodeck and so we've got a reason to do it.

750
00:35:27.780 --> 00:35:29.219
But that's what happens.

751
00:35:29.280 --> 00:35:31.920
You get Fairhaven and things like that. you know, it goes to such

752
00:35:31.920 --> 00:35:32.400
an extreme.

753
00:35:32.699 --> 00:35:36.179
It's like Deep Space 9 definitely does it.

754
00:35:36.239 --> 00:35:41.039
I mean, Deep Space 9 does use the holodeck to explore different

755
00:35:41.039 --> 00:35:41.639
genres.

756
00:35:41.760 --> 00:35:43.199
I know, but come on.

757
00:35:43.260 --> 00:35:46.019
Oh, man, Bashir, butter being, butter bang.

758
00:35:46.079 --> 00:35:47.820
No, they're great. does it well.

759
00:35:47.880 --> 00:35:48.719
That's the difference.

760
00:35:48.780 --> 00:35:49.800
Yeah, yeah, I agree.

761
00:35:49.920 --> 00:35:51.360
Unlike Fairhaven.

762
00:35:52.079 --> 00:35:55.440
I'm sure there's a terrible DS9 holiday episode.

763
00:35:55.500 --> 00:35:56.400
I just can't think of any.

764
00:35:56.460 --> 00:35:59.940
Like, look, it's like, even uses a holiday in, like, it's only a

765
00:35:59.940 --> 00:36:02.159
paper moon, doesn't it, to explore PTSD?

766
00:36:02.219 --> 00:36:02.880
things like that.

767
00:36:02.940 --> 00:36:04.079
Yeah.

768
00:36:04.139 --> 00:36:08.039
Well, they do what Voyager does, which is they have a holiday

769
00:36:08.039 --> 00:36:11.519
program that's running all the time and they go there and visit

770
00:36:11.519 --> 00:36:14.760
and it's their bar, you know, it's so boring in a way.

771
00:36:14.880 --> 00:36:17.219
TOS is just like, oh, well, we're just going to wear stuff

772
00:36:17.219 --> 00:36:17.639
happening.

773
00:36:17.699 --> 00:36:19.079
And it's just happening, you know.

774
00:36:19.139 --> 00:36:21.599
We don't need some boring technology to give an excuse.

775
00:36:21.659 --> 00:36:28.380
Well, it's amazing how real the dialogue and the actors make this

776
00:36:28.380 --> 00:36:32.699
environment when it's so patently fake, where it's so absolutely

777
00:36:32.699 --> 00:36:36.780
leaning into the artifice of being a studio set.

778
00:36:36.900 --> 00:36:42.000
That shot there of the man against the red sky and the 2 coming

779
00:36:42.000 --> 00:36:42.420
behind.

780
00:36:42.480 --> 00:36:45.059
That is terrifically directed.

781
00:36:45.420 --> 00:36:48.059
He's good, this guy.

782
00:36:48.119 --> 00:36:50.159
So he just goes to show them.

783
00:36:50.219 --> 00:36:53.519
Within the Fred, was his name, Freiberger?

784
00:36:53.579 --> 00:37:00.420
Freiburger, uh, series 3, with the reduced budget, if they had had

785
00:37:00.420 --> 00:37:04.559
the imagination and the creativity, We didn't have to have a box

786
00:37:04.559 --> 00:37:05.460
brain every other week.

787
00:37:05.519 --> 00:37:07.920
It could have been a spectra of the gun, you know.

788
00:37:07.980 --> 00:37:09.420
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

789
00:37:09.659 --> 00:37:12.659
But then let's be honest, you know, very quickly talking about

790
00:37:12.659 --> 00:37:15.059
Doctor Who again. they did that all the time.

791
00:37:15.119 --> 00:37:17.039
No money, lots of imagination.

792
00:37:17.099 --> 00:37:17.820
That's right.

793
00:37:18.599 --> 00:37:22.619
I think it was the fact that the goodwill of the network was

794
00:37:22.619 --> 00:37:22.860
gone.

795
00:37:23.639 --> 00:37:29.579
And I don't think there was anybody casting a decent eye over the

796
00:37:29.579 --> 00:37:29.940
writing.

797
00:37:30.000 --> 00:37:33.119
Look at that shot that we went to the ad break on.

798
00:37:34.260 --> 00:37:39.059
Where they're all tiny in the distance all sort of huddled up and

799
00:37:39.059 --> 00:37:44.400
there's like the dark figures of the men much, much bigger in the

800
00:37:44.400 --> 00:37:45.300
front of the frame.

801
00:37:45.360 --> 00:37:46.320
It's so well done.

802
00:37:46.380 --> 00:37:50.760
And the 3 shot of the, of, of them just looking completely

803
00:37:50.760 --> 00:37:53.940
impassive with their moustaches.

804
00:37:54.000 --> 00:37:56.340
That's his that's his race of stakes.

805
00:37:56.400 --> 00:37:57.719
So do we think Chekhov is dead?

806
00:37:57.780 --> 00:37:59.699
No, I don't think we do.

807
00:37:59.760 --> 00:38:05.940
And I was wondering what effect that has, was it a good idea or

808
00:38:05.940 --> 00:38:06.239
not?

809
00:38:06.300 --> 00:38:09.539
Because I don't think we think that Chekhov is dead.

810
00:38:09.780 --> 00:38:11.699
And...

811
00:38:11.699 --> 00:38:15.719
I'm assuming at the time, Chekhov, like, landed well with the

812
00:38:15.719 --> 00:38:17.880
audience because they wouldn't be saying, well, we need to give

813
00:38:17.880 --> 00:38:21.000
him more to do if they were getting bad feedback about, you

814
00:38:21.000 --> 00:38:22.679
know...

815
00:38:22.739 --> 00:38:26.400
They're not going to do a skin of evil and kill one of the

816
00:38:26.400 --> 00:38:29.460
regulars early on in an episode.

817
00:38:29.519 --> 00:38:30.900
That's just not going to happen.

818
00:38:30.960 --> 00:38:34.019
And so that means that we know.

819
00:38:34.079 --> 00:38:36.420
I mean, we know that they're going to be okay.

820
00:38:36.480 --> 00:38:39.659
Like the tension isn't, are they all going to be killed on this

821
00:38:39.659 --> 00:38:40.739
planet or not, is it?

822
00:38:40.800 --> 00:38:43.559
You remember that episode where McCoy gets a life sentence at the

823
00:38:43.559 --> 00:38:44.760
beginning that he's going to die?

824
00:38:44.820 --> 00:38:48.599
He's going to die imminently of this disease and he's like, oh, Jim

825
00:38:48.599 --> 00:38:50.820
you know, I only got a week to live.

826
00:38:50.940 --> 00:38:53.820
And then, you know, and the whole episode is about his mortality.

827
00:38:53.820 --> 00:38:55.860
And at the end, it's like, oh, there's a cure.

828
00:38:55.980 --> 00:38:56.760
Oh, thanks.

829
00:38:58.559 --> 00:39:02.639
Yeah, I don't think mortality is much of a thing, is it?

830
00:39:02.699 --> 00:39:04.559
I mean, you could take someone's brain out of their head and they

831
00:39:04.559 --> 00:39:05.099
still survive.

832
00:39:05.159 --> 00:39:06.780
They're better next week.

833
00:39:06.840 --> 00:39:08.159
They're fine by the end of the episode.

834
00:39:08.219 --> 00:39:15.179
I think that this scene is terrifically good, and it's McCoy being

835
00:39:15.179 --> 00:39:19.139
super racist about, I find this a bit troubling, you know?

836
00:39:20.639 --> 00:39:25.260
No, I mean, but it's the thing with they forget half human.

837
00:39:25.320 --> 00:39:29.639
And then Troy is abashed and realises what an asshole has been

838
00:39:29.639 --> 00:39:36.539
because even though Spock doesn't, and you can see, it's so subtle

839
00:39:36.539 --> 00:39:40.860
from Nemoy's performance, but you can see that he's feeling it.

840
00:39:40.920 --> 00:39:44.699
Even despite that impassivity that he has.

841
00:39:44.760 --> 00:39:45.659
I think he's really good.

842
00:39:45.719 --> 00:39:47.760
I posted you before.

843
00:39:47.820 --> 00:39:51.719
I really like the chemistry between Deforest Kelly and the Nemoy

844
00:39:51.719 --> 00:39:56.219
and I think it's one of the best Star Trek pairings.

845
00:39:56.219 --> 00:40:00.059
And it's, you know, why in all the other shows, They say, Tuvok

846
00:40:00.059 --> 00:40:03.599
Cornelix, it's this shows Bones and Spock, you know.

847
00:40:03.599 --> 00:40:04.320
Yeah.

848
00:40:04.380 --> 00:40:06.900
And they've never successfully replicated it, have they?

849
00:40:07.739 --> 00:40:09.840
Oh, down Quark?

850
00:40:09.900 --> 00:40:11.820
I think that works brilliant.

851
00:40:11.880 --> 00:40:15.539
It's quite different, but it's a contentious relationship that you

852
00:40:15.539 --> 00:40:16.500
buy into and love.

853
00:40:16.559 --> 00:40:17.820
Yeah.

854
00:40:17.880 --> 00:40:22.079
But I mean here, that central, we talked about this before, the

855
00:40:22.079 --> 00:40:26.699
central 3 where you've got someone for whom emotion is important

856
00:40:26.699 --> 00:40:31.619
and someone who is trying to work without emotional work around

857
00:40:31.619 --> 00:40:34.739
their emotions, and then you've got a guiding principle that has

858
00:40:34.739 --> 00:40:35.760
to adjudicate between them.

859
00:40:35.820 --> 00:40:37.800
I think what's different, isn't it here?

860
00:40:37.860 --> 00:40:41.519
Is the relationship, it's given such prominence because they are 2

861
00:40:41.519 --> 00:40:43.739
of the 3 main characters in this.

862
00:40:43.800 --> 00:40:44.940
Whereas in all the other shows.

863
00:40:45.000 --> 00:40:46.500
It's an ensemble piece.

864
00:40:46.559 --> 00:40:47.340
They're ensembles.

865
00:40:47.400 --> 00:40:50.099
Yeah, they come together every now and again, whereas they, you

866
00:40:50.099 --> 00:40:53.340
know, there's a bones and spock scene in pretty much every

867
00:40:53.340 --> 00:40:53.820
episode.

868
00:40:53.880 --> 00:40:54.420
Yeah.

869
00:40:54.420 --> 00:40:56.699
They are racist to varying degrees.

870
00:40:56.760 --> 00:40:58.320
Yeah, that's right.

871
00:40:58.380 --> 00:41:00.719
Sometimes it really bothers me though.

872
00:41:00.780 --> 00:41:05.039
It really, and I'm just like, And I know it's a, it's a, it's a

873
00:41:05.039 --> 00:41:08.340
product of the time and I'm not going to go down that route, but

874
00:41:08.340 --> 00:41:11.039
It wouldn't happen now.

875
00:41:11.099 --> 00:41:12.719
Yeah, you wouldn't like those scenes now.

876
00:41:12.780 --> 00:41:13.559
No.

877
00:41:13.980 --> 00:41:19.619
Yeah, we wouldn't be expected to retain sympathy for McCoy for a

878
00:41:19.619 --> 00:41:22.139
character who behaved like McCoy or spoke like McCoy.

879
00:41:22.199 --> 00:41:25.380
Even of one of the aliens. sort of an outwardly villainous

880
00:41:25.380 --> 00:41:28.079
character like Giorgio in...

881
00:41:28.079 --> 00:41:29.400
Discovery.

882
00:41:29.460 --> 00:41:32.639
She doesn't really say racist things, does she?

883
00:41:32.699 --> 00:41:36.059
She's, well, she did eat that Kelpian.

884
00:41:36.119 --> 00:41:38.219
Well, that's just very good taste, is it?

885
00:41:38.280 --> 00:41:40.139
Nice bechamel sauce.

886
00:41:40.199 --> 00:41:41.519
Lightfall.

887
00:41:41.579 --> 00:41:45.960
Yeah, now here's another one of these ugly guest stars and good

888
00:41:45.960 --> 00:41:48.420
god the sheriff is rough looking, isn't he?

889
00:41:48.599 --> 00:41:50.460
He's up against.

890
00:41:50.519 --> 00:41:51.780
William Shatneau's looking very pretty.

891
00:41:51.840 --> 00:41:53.820
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

892
00:41:53.820 --> 00:41:54.300
I like that.

893
00:41:54.360 --> 00:41:55.500
They've got the wind machine going.

894
00:41:55.559 --> 00:41:58.559
They actually blowing leaves, leaves from the studio as well, you

895
00:41:58.559 --> 00:41:58.800
know.

896
00:42:01.860 --> 00:42:04.800
Well, I think I do think it is good, though, that they play

897
00:42:04.800 --> 00:42:05.940
Chekhov's death.

898
00:42:05.940 --> 00:42:06.960
For real.

899
00:42:07.019 --> 00:42:07.320
Yeah.

900
00:42:07.320 --> 00:42:10.920
You know, like, like, I'm convinced they think he's real, even

901
00:42:10.920 --> 00:42:13.860
though we kind of know, well, this is a weird episode, so he's got

902
00:42:13.860 --> 00:42:15.000
a pop out of nowhere at the end.

903
00:42:15.119 --> 00:42:15.900
Yeah.

904
00:42:15.960 --> 00:42:17.639
Yeah, look at this guy.

905
00:42:18.300 --> 00:42:28.920
It's so good because this is the clearest explanation of how

906
00:42:28.920 --> 00:42:35.039
problems are solved in this in the world here, you know, that

907
00:42:35.039 --> 00:42:39.360
you've got the sheriff saying you should shoot these people dead

908
00:42:39.360 --> 00:42:40.860
because we're sick of them.

909
00:42:40.920 --> 00:42:44.280
And everyone would think that was okay and I wouldn't stand in

910
00:42:44.280 --> 00:42:44.760
your way.

911
00:42:44.820 --> 00:42:48.659
Is there anything more delightful than seeing William Shatner

912
00:42:48.659 --> 00:42:52.079
downcast, punching his fists, looking like he's going to cry and

913
00:42:52.079 --> 00:42:53.340
getting all it emotional?

914
00:42:53.400 --> 00:42:54.480
It's just wonderful.

915
00:42:54.539 --> 00:42:57.300
I mean, I can't hear him, but it's just...

916
00:42:57.360 --> 00:42:57.900
Yeah, yeah.

917
00:42:57.960 --> 00:43:01.679
I mean, it does go to an extreme because in the one with the

918
00:43:01.679 --> 00:43:04.860
children when the children shall lead, Kurt thinks he's going mad

919
00:43:04.860 --> 00:43:07.139
and all of a sudden he's in like the turbo lifting, he's like

920
00:43:07.139 --> 00:43:11.159
smashing walls and going, I'm losing my mind, you know, like, and

921
00:43:11.159 --> 00:43:12.059
it's all a bit much.

922
00:43:12.119 --> 00:43:14.699
But uh, oh, the smoke bomb.

923
00:43:14.820 --> 00:43:19.260
Have I missed a bit where Scotty inhales the entire smoke, but I

924
00:43:19.260 --> 00:43:22.079
mean, I think just being that close to all that smoke would knock

925
00:43:22.079 --> 00:43:22.860
you out a little bit.

926
00:43:22.920 --> 00:43:25.980
Yeah, yeah, no, because it's not real.

927
00:43:26.039 --> 00:43:27.960
The laws of chemistry don't apply.

928
00:43:28.019 --> 00:43:33.659
And it's funny because the world is so artificial and they take it

929
00:43:33.659 --> 00:43:38.039
so seriously, that they're actually shocked by the fact that these

930
00:43:38.039 --> 00:43:43.199
chemicals that they've mixed up don't behave right.

931
00:43:43.260 --> 00:43:47.219
You know, the laws of physics and chemistry don't apply in this

932
00:43:47.219 --> 00:43:47.519
world.

933
00:43:47.579 --> 00:43:49.260
So it's a strange place.

934
00:43:49.320 --> 00:43:53.159
It's actually the TV equivalent of a stage play, isn't it?

935
00:43:53.219 --> 00:43:57.239
I like, you know, the audience in a theatre.

936
00:43:57.300 --> 00:44:01.860
If the actors are compelling enough, you literally forget you're

937
00:44:01.860 --> 00:44:03.599
in a theatre and you're just in the story.

938
00:44:06.659 --> 00:44:08.760
I don't know what Scotty is saying right now, but he looks very

939
00:44:08.760 --> 00:44:09.420
pleased for himself.

940
00:44:09.480 --> 00:44:12.900
I do like the fact that they are trying to use the conventions of

941
00:44:12.900 --> 00:44:16.380
the genre to find the solution.

942
00:44:16.440 --> 00:44:17.340
He goes, doesn't he?

943
00:44:17.400 --> 00:44:21.000
what have we got here that we can use that prevents us from being

944
00:44:21.000 --> 00:44:21.900
violent, you know?

945
00:44:21.960 --> 00:44:22.679
Yeah.

946
00:44:22.739 --> 00:44:23.519
Yeah.

947
00:44:23.579 --> 00:44:29.400
And that's like all the way through that they want to negotiate.

948
00:44:29.460 --> 00:44:30.840
They don't want to find.

949
00:44:30.960 --> 00:44:35.039
Like there's never a moment until the end, you know, where we see

950
00:44:35.039 --> 00:44:37.260
them tempted to do the gunfight.

951
00:44:37.320 --> 00:44:40.500
That looks like the warp core breach drink, the cork serves.

952
00:44:40.920 --> 00:44:43.679
All that smoke...

953
00:44:48.179 --> 00:44:50.880
It's like the Sergeant Benton. yeah, I don't mind.

954
00:44:50.940 --> 00:44:52.980
I'll just I'll inhale all the smoke.

955
00:44:55.440 --> 00:44:57.119
Bless him.

956
00:44:57.179 --> 00:44:59.760
He's really getting into it too.

957
00:45:01.679 --> 00:45:03.719
So ridiculous.

958
00:45:03.900 --> 00:45:07.559
Yep, it's not working. like.

959
00:45:09.239 --> 00:45:10.679
Yeah.

960
00:45:10.800 --> 00:45:13.800
He's going, look, no dizziness, no sweaty.

961
00:45:13.860 --> 00:45:16.260
No, no palpitations like, yeah.

962
00:45:16.559 --> 00:45:18.420
I'm clearly fine.

963
00:45:18.480 --> 00:45:19.079
You know.

964
00:45:19.139 --> 00:45:20.880
Yeah, yeah.

965
00:45:21.480 --> 00:45:26.340
So we are reaching the point then where they are coming to the

966
00:45:26.340 --> 00:45:29.340
inescapable conclusion that they may have to use violence.

967
00:45:29.400 --> 00:45:30.659
They have to fight.

968
00:45:30.719 --> 00:45:31.320
Yeah.

969
00:45:31.380 --> 00:45:33.480
Yeah, that they have to fight the Clans.

970
00:45:33.539 --> 00:45:34.079
They just have to.

971
00:45:34.199 --> 00:45:36.900
I mean, the Earps, I get them all mixed up.

972
00:45:36.960 --> 00:45:40.199
I think it's interesting because, like, Chatner plays it like that

973
00:45:40.199 --> 00:45:41.400
is a genuine conflict.

974
00:45:41.460 --> 00:45:45.780
Like, like he, he is a, uh, he is better than that, but he's got

975
00:45:45.780 --> 00:45:46.260
to do it.

976
00:45:46.320 --> 00:45:48.780
You know, that's quite an ask of an actor.

977
00:45:48.840 --> 00:45:51.239
Oh, that whopping great close-up on that clock.

978
00:45:51.300 --> 00:45:52.440
Hangs.

979
00:45:52.440 --> 00:45:54.000
Spended in the air.

980
00:45:54.059 --> 00:45:55.440
It's so great.

981
00:45:55.559 --> 00:45:57.059
Look at the picture as well.

982
00:45:57.059 --> 00:45:57.960
Is it a picture?

983
00:45:58.440 --> 00:45:59.940
Yeah, the picture is just hanging in the air as well.

984
00:46:00.000 --> 00:46:01.559
That's amazing.

985
00:46:01.619 --> 00:46:02.579
Yeah.

986
00:46:02.639 --> 00:46:03.420
Oh, here we go.

987
00:46:03.480 --> 00:46:05.159
Zoom, zoom, new location.

988
00:46:05.219 --> 00:46:06.059
Yeah.

989
00:46:06.179 --> 00:46:09.360
This sequence now in the okay corral.

990
00:46:09.420 --> 00:46:11.940
I thought this was really well directed. and they're throwing

991
00:46:11.940 --> 00:46:12.659
everything at it now.

992
00:46:12.719 --> 00:46:14.219
The sky's practically black.

993
00:46:14.280 --> 00:46:16.440
The wind machine's going, there's leaves everywhere.

994
00:46:16.500 --> 00:46:17.519
Yep.

995
00:46:17.579 --> 00:46:19.679
Oh, Shatner's hairs all over the place.

996
00:46:19.739 --> 00:46:21.599
And, you know, I'm going to tell you something that's going to

997
00:46:21.599 --> 00:46:22.380
stun you rigid.

998
00:46:22.440 --> 00:46:24.059
The camera moves.

999
00:46:24.900 --> 00:46:27.119
I love it when that happens.

1000
00:46:27.179 --> 00:46:28.920
Oh, so hang on.

1001
00:46:28.980 --> 00:46:29.760
Oh, lightning?

1002
00:46:29.820 --> 00:46:34.559
Is it is it down on all of them or does Kirk have to be the one

1003
00:46:34.559 --> 00:46:37.380
who chooses to fight or not?

1004
00:46:37.619 --> 00:46:39.719
Yeah, I don't know.

1005
00:46:40.739 --> 00:46:45.300
Um, because they get it from Kirk's mind, don't they?

1006
00:46:45.360 --> 00:46:48.719
So they clearly have decided that we are a violent race because

1007
00:46:48.719 --> 00:46:51.420
this is his background.

1008
00:46:51.480 --> 00:46:53.639
Like they say, it's his cultural background.

1009
00:46:53.699 --> 00:46:55.860
I mean, it's McCoys as well, isn't it?

1010
00:46:55.920 --> 00:46:59.159
But, um, Or is McCoy from Canada?

1011
00:46:59.219 --> 00:46:59.880
I don't know.

1012
00:46:59.940 --> 00:47:02.699
I mean, I don't think there's any, we're under any illusion that

1013
00:47:02.699 --> 00:47:04.860
Kirk doesn't think he's the lead in his own story.

1014
00:47:04.920 --> 00:47:07.559
So they're like, okay, well, it's clearly him then.

1015
00:47:07.619 --> 00:47:09.780
Yeah.

1016
00:47:09.780 --> 00:47:15.659
And this...

1017
00:47:15.719 --> 00:47:16.079
Sorry.

1018
00:47:16.139 --> 00:47:20.159
Well, I think this solution is really strange.

1019
00:47:20.340 --> 00:47:22.860
And I kind of like it.

1020
00:47:22.980 --> 00:47:25.980
And what's the solution?

1021
00:47:26.039 --> 00:47:28.500
How do they not get involved in the fight?

1022
00:47:28.559 --> 00:47:31.380
They deny the reality of the fight.

1023
00:47:31.440 --> 00:47:34.980
I don't know if that's really practical in a, you know, in the

1024
00:47:34.980 --> 00:47:37.980
real world or whatever, but so you know what this is then, don't

1025
00:47:37.980 --> 00:47:38.159
you?

1026
00:47:38.219 --> 00:47:39.780
This is like the precursor to move along home.

1027
00:47:39.840 --> 00:47:42.360
They were never in any real danger all along.

1028
00:47:42.420 --> 00:47:43.679
No, turns out.

1029
00:47:43.739 --> 00:47:47.039
And in fact, you know, Chiros is exactly a shorter show where

1030
00:47:47.039 --> 00:47:49.739
they'd be standing around going, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, you know.

1031
00:47:49.739 --> 00:47:53.099
We all thought we were going to die and use violence, you know.

1032
00:47:54.960 --> 00:47:56.760
Oh, dear.

1033
00:47:56.820 --> 00:47:58.619
There's a lot of episodes that end like that, you know.

1034
00:47:58.679 --> 00:47:59.639
Yeah.

1035
00:47:59.699 --> 00:48:07.980
And the music goes, Do you know what?

1036
00:48:08.039 --> 00:48:09.539
I think doing this for you, right?

1037
00:48:09.599 --> 00:48:12.300
I'm getting far more of a love for the original series than I ever

1038
00:48:12.300 --> 00:48:12.780
had before.

1039
00:48:12.840 --> 00:48:20.039
Yeah, I think like even the bad one that we did was sort of fun.

1040
00:48:20.099 --> 00:48:22.980
Like, you know, that was so bad.

1041
00:48:22.980 --> 00:48:24.539
It circled around, it was magnificent.

1042
00:48:24.599 --> 00:48:26.400
No, I don't agree with that.

1043
00:48:26.460 --> 00:48:30.900
I think it was just very bad, but it was enjoyable to watch.

1044
00:48:30.960 --> 00:48:32.099
Brain his brain.

1045
00:48:32.159 --> 00:48:33.059
What is brain?

1046
00:48:33.119 --> 00:48:34.079
What his brain?

1047
00:48:35.820 --> 00:48:37.800
But no, I just...

1048
00:48:37.800 --> 00:48:42.840
It's really interesting jumping about the entirety of Star Trek

1049
00:48:42.840 --> 00:48:43.739
and I figured it would be.

1050
00:48:43.800 --> 00:48:46.199
Well, I don't think I've ever done this.

1051
00:48:46.260 --> 00:48:50.519
I did it for my review website, but I don't remember done this and

1052
00:48:50.519 --> 00:48:51.480
discussed it like this.

1053
00:48:51.539 --> 00:48:52.980
Yeah.

1054
00:48:52.980 --> 00:48:55.199
It really highlights the strengths.

1055
00:48:55.320 --> 00:48:58.380
And the weaknesses. of each era.

1056
00:48:58.559 --> 00:49:03.480
And TOS is one of TOS's massive strengths is it's just its fucking

1057
00:49:03.480 --> 00:49:05.039
ability to just go for it.

1058
00:49:05.099 --> 00:49:05.820
You know?

1059
00:49:05.880 --> 00:49:08.639
Which 90s Treks doesn't.

1060
00:49:08.639 --> 00:49:09.960
No.

1061
00:49:10.019 --> 00:49:14.519
I think too, it benefits from getting the opportunity to do things

1062
00:49:14.519 --> 00:49:16.860
for the 1st time.

1063
00:49:16.920 --> 00:49:22.440
And, you know, this whole environment was a throwaway gag in lower

1064
00:49:22.440 --> 00:49:23.039
decks.

1065
00:49:23.039 --> 00:49:27.300
And lower decks, one of the jokes that happens in lower decks all

1066
00:49:27.300 --> 00:49:31.980
the time is, you know, crew members are always brought back from

1067
00:49:31.980 --> 00:49:35.760
the dead and his 8 possible reasons or, or this is the reason why

1068
00:49:35.760 --> 00:49:39.239
Boimler has a girlfriend and he has 15 possible reasons from

1069
00:49:39.239 --> 00:49:40.619
previous episodes.

1070
00:49:40.679 --> 00:49:45.659
And so this sort of disbelieving an illusory environment where

1071
00:49:45.659 --> 00:49:48.239
that happens just all the time.

1072
00:49:48.300 --> 00:49:49.320
It happened.

1073
00:49:49.380 --> 00:49:54.480
It happened in the episode of Picard that aired most recently

1074
00:49:54.480 --> 00:49:58.860
where 7 has to work out whether she's in a real environment or

1075
00:49:58.860 --> 00:49:59.219
not.

1076
00:49:59.280 --> 00:50:03.900
And so we've seen it over and over and over again, but not by this

1077
00:50:03.900 --> 00:50:04.320
point.

1078
00:50:04.380 --> 00:50:11.880
And so they, they can properly kind of just let the concept

1079
00:50:11.880 --> 00:50:16.559
breathe because it...

1080
00:50:16.619 --> 00:50:19.500
The extra time is a good thing, you know, that they...

1081
00:50:19.679 --> 00:50:23.340
I just want to point out, because I don't think I'm going to say

1082
00:50:23.340 --> 00:50:26.460
it's too often in original track, just how spectacularly directed

1083
00:50:26.460 --> 00:50:27.059
all this is.

1084
00:50:27.179 --> 00:50:33.179
You've got a tight shot here on McCoy and Spock spotlit from

1085
00:50:33.179 --> 00:50:33.780
above.

1086
00:50:33.840 --> 00:50:34.800
Very dramatic.

1087
00:50:34.860 --> 00:50:37.920
You've got the villains coming through.

1088
00:50:37.980 --> 00:50:40.860
There's lightning striking their faces.

1089
00:50:40.860 --> 00:50:44.820
All of the backdrop is being lit up and it's like something out of

1090
00:50:44.820 --> 00:50:46.260
a like a horror movie.

1091
00:50:46.320 --> 00:50:50.760
It's, it's, properly really carefully choreographed who that shot

1092
00:50:50.760 --> 00:50:54.780
is there so that they're all visible in it as they walk abreast.

1093
00:50:54.840 --> 00:50:56.460
It's so good.

1094
00:50:56.519 --> 00:51:00.119
You said something in when we were having a wonderful discussion

1095
00:51:00.119 --> 00:51:02.340
about the Beaumar last week in the Raven.

1096
00:51:02.400 --> 00:51:04.199
You said that'll do.

1097
00:51:04.380 --> 00:51:07.559
There's no that'll do, Inspector of the Gun.

1098
00:51:07.619 --> 00:51:09.480
It's like, it's like, you know what?

1099
00:51:09.539 --> 00:51:10.500
We ain't got much money.

1100
00:51:10.559 --> 00:51:12.300
Yeah, mate, this look as good as we can. you know?

1101
00:51:12.360 --> 00:51:15.000
That's a good director. need to find out who that was.

1102
00:51:15.539 --> 00:51:17.760
Yeah, see what else they did.

1103
00:51:20.820 --> 00:51:27.420
And you know, like, a story that promises an exciting climax needs

1104
00:51:27.420 --> 00:51:28.079
to deliver it.

1105
00:51:28.139 --> 00:51:30.059
And this thing, and this does, you know?

1106
00:51:30.119 --> 00:51:30.780
Yeah.

1107
00:51:30.840 --> 00:51:33.840
Yeah, the whole thing's a countdown, isn't it, to 5 p.m.

1108
00:51:33.900 --> 00:51:36.420
We know that they're going to be killed later on.

1109
00:51:37.679 --> 00:51:41.760
I think that this would have given me nightmares as a child.

1110
00:51:41.820 --> 00:51:44.699
I think the people who told me that watching original series would

1111
00:51:44.699 --> 00:51:47.039
give you nightmares, that was all there was back then.

1112
00:51:47.340 --> 00:51:51.960
The alien looks like a big green penis with glowing eyes.

1113
00:51:52.079 --> 00:51:55.559
I mean, my life may have turned out quite differently if I watched

1114
00:51:55.559 --> 00:51:56.159
this as a child.

1115
00:51:59.219 --> 00:52:04.260
And that, like, that's properly scary, again, with the bit of wood

1116
00:52:04.260 --> 00:52:07.619
that's behind them. getting all the bullet holes in it while

1117
00:52:07.619 --> 00:52:08.880
they're standing in front of it.

1118
00:52:08.940 --> 00:52:14.099
It's such a well staged shot. you know, more shots of the, you

1119
00:52:14.099 --> 00:52:16.079
know, 4 characters on each side.

1120
00:52:16.139 --> 00:52:17.699
Yeah, staggered in a line.

1121
00:52:17.760 --> 00:52:19.860
Yeah, yeah, yeah. positioned, you know?

1122
00:52:19.920 --> 00:52:22.019
It's really awfully done.

1123
00:52:22.079 --> 00:52:22.920
Look at Kirk.

1124
00:52:22.980 --> 00:52:25.199
No one fights like Kirk, I'm telling you.

1125
00:52:25.679 --> 00:52:28.619
He's standing there like a wrestler, you know?

1126
00:52:29.820 --> 00:52:33.059
He's probably punching him like a nutter.

1127
00:52:33.119 --> 00:52:36.659
The bit at the beginning where he just leaps up and kicks him in

1128
00:52:36.659 --> 00:52:37.019
the chest.

1129
00:52:37.380 --> 00:52:39.960
Oh, never have done that, would he?

1130
00:52:40.019 --> 00:52:42.480
Maybe Ry can't rock him either.

1131
00:52:42.539 --> 00:52:45.539
I think he's supposed to be like the Kirkish action man, isn't

1132
00:52:45.539 --> 00:52:45.659
he?

1133
00:52:45.719 --> 00:52:47.039
Yeah, 0 yeah, that was the idea.

1134
00:52:47.099 --> 00:52:50.940
And certainly Philippa Giorgio would obviously kick people in the

1135
00:52:50.940 --> 00:52:53.639
chest. there wasn't as much violence there as I remember.

1136
00:52:53.760 --> 00:52:57.659
But I think I think what makes it so dramatic is all that all the

1137
00:52:57.659 --> 00:52:58.619
lead up to it, you know?

1138
00:52:58.679 --> 00:53:03.659
Yeah, it's quite short, but and it does centre on that decision

1139
00:53:03.659 --> 00:53:05.159
where he just puts the weapon down.

1140
00:53:05.639 --> 00:53:07.139
You know what?

1141
00:53:07.199 --> 00:53:09.300
They kind of missed a treat, though, because, like, they zoomed in

1142
00:53:09.300 --> 00:53:13.199
on the okay corral and out on the medical device, the McCoy

1143
00:53:13.199 --> 00:53:13.500
house.

1144
00:53:13.559 --> 00:53:17.219
Like they could have done something like the same shaped object in

1145
00:53:17.219 --> 00:53:17.460
both.

1146
00:53:17.519 --> 00:53:20.699
Yeah, they would have been quite a kind of nice transition.

1147
00:53:20.760 --> 00:53:22.139
Oh, here we go.

1148
00:53:22.199 --> 00:53:24.960
She was so beautiful, but she wasn't real.

1149
00:53:25.019 --> 00:53:26.219
Sorry, Chekov.

1150
00:53:26.940 --> 00:53:30.059
You're at home again in bed tonight, I'm afraid.

1151
00:53:30.119 --> 00:53:30.480
Sorry.

1152
00:53:30.539 --> 00:53:32.579
Yeah, yeah. like Geordie.

1153
00:53:32.940 --> 00:53:35.880
That's Ahura.

1154
00:53:35.940 --> 00:53:38.400
I mean, Michelle Nichols must have been like, what is this?

1155
00:53:38.460 --> 00:53:40.139
I'm in the 1st and the last scene and I see it.

1156
00:53:40.260 --> 00:53:42.659
She wanted to leave, didn't she?

1157
00:53:42.719 --> 00:53:43.679
I remember reading that.

1158
00:53:43.739 --> 00:53:44.460
She won Italy.

1159
00:53:44.519 --> 00:53:45.119
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1160
00:53:45.179 --> 00:53:46.320
She was convinced by...

1161
00:53:46.320 --> 00:53:47.940
Martin Luther King?

1162
00:53:48.000 --> 00:53:51.300
Yeah, to say no, you know, you are in a prominent role in a TV

1163
00:53:51.300 --> 00:53:52.500
show, sit in the future.

1164
00:53:52.559 --> 00:53:55.079
Like, whatever they make you do, do it, you know?

1165
00:53:55.199 --> 00:53:55.860
Yeah.

1166
00:53:57.300 --> 00:53:58.739
Yeah.

1167
00:53:58.800 --> 00:54:00.539
It's that device that they look through.

1168
00:54:00.599 --> 00:54:03.719
It looks like, you know, you know, like those old things you used

1169
00:54:03.719 --> 00:54:04.860
to have as a child.

1170
00:54:05.280 --> 00:54:06.059
A graph view master.

1171
00:54:06.179 --> 00:54:09.360
Yeah, and it kind of like, you know, the new the new pitch comes

1172
00:54:09.360 --> 00:54:12.300
in and you feel like you're in Venice or something like that one.

1173
00:54:12.360 --> 00:54:12.900
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1174
00:54:12.960 --> 00:54:13.980
That's all it knows.

1175
00:54:15.539 --> 00:54:20.579
But it's quite, uh, it's quite a nice ending, uh, with, you know

1176
00:54:20.579 --> 00:54:23.280
Kirk having made 1st contact now with the, what they call the

1177
00:54:23.280 --> 00:54:24.480
tellotions, tell actions?

1178
00:54:24.539 --> 00:54:26.760
The, no, no, the...

1179
00:54:26.760 --> 00:54:28.139
Oh, Mel Coach.

1180
00:54:28.199 --> 00:54:30.659
Melk, something.

1181
00:54:31.199 --> 00:54:33.119
Mel cotions.

1182
00:54:33.179 --> 00:54:35.099
Better than a fucking Beaumont, isn't it?

1183
00:54:35.159 --> 00:54:38.219
Thanks for having that buzzy catastrophe in it.

1184
00:54:40.260 --> 00:54:41.880
Oh, wait.

1185
00:54:41.940 --> 00:54:45.420
You and me said we were going to measure everybody by the Beaumont

1186
00:54:45.420 --> 00:54:45.719
now.

1187
00:54:45.780 --> 00:54:49.619
Yeah, these are way better. much, much better.

1188
00:54:49.739 --> 00:54:53.579
Even though it's just a papier mache haired, you know, projected

1189
00:54:53.579 --> 00:54:54.719
against a Starfield.

1190
00:54:54.780 --> 00:54:57.960
I think it looks really good I will celebrate the day we find the

1191
00:54:57.960 --> 00:54:59.760
elegance worse than the Beau Mar, though.

1192
00:54:59.820 --> 00:55:01.139
I don't think it'll ever happen.

1193
00:55:01.440 --> 00:55:06.360
But this sort of alien which Star Trek, like, has all the time.

1194
00:55:06.420 --> 00:55:07.920
Original Trek has all the time.

1195
00:55:08.280 --> 00:55:10.619
You know, we never get that.

1196
00:55:10.679 --> 00:55:14.340
We just get various Americans with latex glued to their face.

1197
00:55:14.400 --> 00:55:17.280
And do you remember the Sheliac corporate?

1198
00:55:17.340 --> 00:55:18.599
I think I mentioned them last week.

1199
00:55:18.659 --> 00:55:19.860
What the hell was that?

1200
00:55:19.920 --> 00:55:25.860
So it was, it was like, it looked like a big black shape.

1201
00:55:25.920 --> 00:55:28.440
They were in transigent aliens and we weren't allowed through

1202
00:55:28.440 --> 00:55:32.219
their space in a very early Star Trek, the Next Generation episode

1203
00:55:32.219 --> 00:55:36.960
and it was like a black figure in a black room with weird lighting

1204
00:55:36.960 --> 00:55:40.980
and stuff, and that was a very sort of proper original series

1205
00:55:40.980 --> 00:55:44.940
alien of a kind that then gets abandoned, I think.

1206
00:55:45.000 --> 00:55:47.219
I love, do you remember Nigelum?

1207
00:55:47.219 --> 00:55:50.760
From that 2nd season episode, where it's this weird sort of baby

1208
00:55:50.760 --> 00:55:52.019
face.

1209
00:55:52.139 --> 00:55:53.940
It's an extreme close-up.

1210
00:55:54.000 --> 00:55:54.300
Yeah.

1211
00:55:54.360 --> 00:55:56.639
That's very TOS, that, isn't it?

1212
00:55:56.699 --> 00:55:57.539
Yeah, absolutely.

1213
00:55:57.599 --> 00:56:00.840
And before Berman came in and went, this is all a bit

1214
00:56:00.840 --> 00:56:01.380
embarrassing.

1215
00:56:01.440 --> 00:56:03.119
The music's too dynamic.

1216
00:56:03.179 --> 00:56:05.159
Can we just make this a bit Bayesia please?

1217
00:56:05.699 --> 00:56:10.679
But so this conversation at the end where it's the conversation

1218
00:56:10.679 --> 00:56:17.760
about wanting to kill that Kirk did want to kill, but he also

1219
00:56:17.760 --> 00:56:18.900
didn't.

1220
00:56:19.079 --> 00:56:20.460
You say in that line and looking at the audience.

1221
00:56:20.519 --> 00:56:22.079
We overcame our violence.

1222
00:56:22.139 --> 00:56:23.280
We're better than this.

1223
00:56:23.340 --> 00:56:25.500
It's like an episode of Sabrina, a teenage witch.

1224
00:56:26.460 --> 00:56:28.199
But that's good.

1225
00:56:28.260 --> 00:56:30.420
I think that that is that's good.

1226
00:56:30.480 --> 00:56:35.519
This is not a Western, even though it has all sorts of features in

1227
00:56:35.519 --> 00:56:37.500
common with Westerns as a show.

1228
00:56:37.559 --> 00:56:43.679
This is a show where they solve problems, not just by shooting at

1229
00:56:43.679 --> 00:56:48.420
things, but by understanding them or rejecting violence or finding

1230
00:56:48.420 --> 00:56:49.079
a better way.

1231
00:56:49.139 --> 00:56:50.400
And I think that's awesome.

1232
00:56:50.460 --> 00:56:54.599
Well, like we have, okay, so we've done 3 episodes of Star Trek's

1233
00:56:54.599 --> 00:56:56.579
on the Bounce now, uh, in all good things.

1234
00:56:56.639 --> 00:56:59.880
We had the philosophical moment between Q and Picard in Primordia

1235
00:56:59.880 --> 00:57:02.940
Earth, which didn't make any sense to us at all.

1236
00:57:03.000 --> 00:57:04.980
We just felt like they were trying to give it more depth when it

1237
00:57:04.980 --> 00:57:05.639
wasn't really there.

1238
00:57:05.699 --> 00:57:09.239
We had the moment between Janeway and 7 at the beginning where

1239
00:57:09.239 --> 00:57:12.420
they're talking about the imagination creativity and all of that.

1240
00:57:12.480 --> 00:57:15.780
And here we have, you know, discussion on the the protocols of

1241
00:57:15.780 --> 00:57:17.639
violence and whether we're better than that in the future.

1242
00:57:17.699 --> 00:57:20.280
So which show's doing it better for you at the moment.

1243
00:57:20.340 --> 00:57:25.980
Well, I think that this episode is very basic and it is a very

1244
00:57:25.980 --> 00:57:30.780
very simple message of nonviolence, but it's a message that's

1245
00:57:30.780 --> 00:57:34.559
being broadcast into a world that needs to hear it, I think.

1246
00:57:34.739 --> 00:57:37.920
And so this is the concept, doesn't it?

1247
00:57:37.980 --> 00:57:40.380
It builds the episode around the concert where the others.

1248
00:57:40.440 --> 00:57:44.519
It's just, you know, an anomaly and 7's backstory with a bit of

1249
00:57:44.519 --> 00:57:45.539
philosophy thrown in.

1250
00:57:45.599 --> 00:57:49.800
What I do like is that Spock gives him a look when he says, you

1251
00:57:49.800 --> 00:57:51.780
know, we're all a bit better than this in the future.

1252
00:57:51.840 --> 00:57:54.300
And Spock's got a very unconvinced look on his face.

1253
00:57:54.360 --> 00:57:57.900
And walks away in silence just saying, oh, I don't think you are

1254
00:57:57.900 --> 00:57:58.199
you know.

1255
00:57:58.380 --> 00:58:01.380
I thought that was quite a nice note to end it on.

1256
00:58:01.860 --> 00:58:03.300
Yeah.

1257
00:58:03.780 --> 00:58:06.239
Well, I thought that was fantastic.

1258
00:58:06.300 --> 00:58:08.460
It's very very enjoyable.

1259
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And I think it's worth remembering that even in Star Trek's

1260
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darkest days and we've done a couple of season 7 TNGs recently

1261
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we're going to get around to a season one DS9 at some point.

1262
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And, you know, we've dipped into early enterprise.

1263
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So there's still things of merit.

1264
00:58:26.699 --> 00:58:27.239
Yeah.

1265
00:58:27.300 --> 00:58:27.960
Oh for sure.

1266
00:58:31.139 --> 00:58:37.380
All right, it's time for us to choose next week's episode, and so

1267
00:58:37.380 --> 00:58:42.599
here I am at Untitled Star Trek project.com slash randomiser, and

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it's my turn to push the button.

1269
00:58:44.820 --> 00:58:49.739
Can I ask which shows you are including an excluding?

1270
00:58:49.800 --> 00:58:54.659
I am including all of them. because I'm really tired and can't

1271
00:58:54.659 --> 00:58:57.900
think of a good reason to exclude any.

1272
00:58:57.960 --> 00:59:01.440
And because just now we kind of scrolled back through the website

1273
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and I think we've been doing a wide range of things.

1274
00:59:06.059 --> 00:59:06.960
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1275
00:59:07.019 --> 00:59:12.119
The only thing is, is when we put everything into the randomiser

1276
00:59:12.119 --> 00:59:14.940
it absolutely favours 90s trek.

1277
00:59:14.940 --> 00:59:16.320
Nice trek, because there's so much of it.

1278
00:59:16.380 --> 00:59:17.519
There's so many bloody episodes.

1279
00:59:17.880 --> 00:59:18.420
Yeah.

1280
00:59:18.480 --> 00:59:19.380
But that's all right.

1281
00:59:19.440 --> 00:59:19.980
That's all right.

1282
00:59:20.039 --> 00:59:23.820
We can we can correct for that if we come up with things.

1283
00:59:23.880 --> 00:59:29.280
But I think that when we did the Raven last week as a just

1284
00:59:29.280 --> 00:59:33.780
standard average episode of 90s Trek, there was still a lot of fun

1285
00:59:33.780 --> 00:59:34.500
to be had.

1286
00:59:34.559 --> 00:59:37.920
So I am willing to go anywhere.

1287
00:59:37.980 --> 00:59:39.059
I think.

1288
00:59:39.119 --> 00:59:40.860
I have heard this rumour, yes.

1289
00:59:41.099 --> 00:59:42.840
All right.

1290
00:59:42.900 --> 00:59:43.380
Okay.

1291
00:59:43.440 --> 00:59:44.460
I'm going to press a button.

1292
00:59:44.519 --> 00:59:45.599
Go for it.

1293
00:59:45.659 --> 00:59:49.380
Oh, okay, I've started with the lower decks episode.

1294
00:59:49.440 --> 00:59:50.280
Oh, go on.

1295
00:59:50.340 --> 00:59:53.099
Yeah, it's the spy humungous.

1296
00:59:53.159 --> 00:59:56.699
From series two, series two, episode six.

1297
00:59:56.880 --> 00:59:59.039
And it's a Pac-Lad episode.

1298
00:59:59.699 --> 01:00:04.860
Well, I mean, I haven't seen that one, and there's very few very

1299
01:00:04.860 --> 01:00:07.800
like, 0 no, I hadn't seen that Discovery episode the other week

1300
01:00:07.800 --> 01:00:08.400
haven't I?

1301
01:00:08.460 --> 01:00:10.079
I'm a terrible fan, me.

1302
01:00:10.739 --> 01:00:14.340
Well, that one's down to you because I really don't know much

1303
01:00:14.340 --> 01:00:15.599
about series 2 of Lower Decks.

1304
01:00:15.659 --> 01:00:17.639
I may it's good.

1305
01:00:17.699 --> 01:00:18.960
Lower decks is always good.

1306
01:00:19.019 --> 01:00:22.920
It is properly funny and the pack leads are a great, big, bad.

1307
01:00:23.340 --> 01:00:25.980
But I feel there's a upcoming anyway.

1308
01:00:26.039 --> 01:00:31.800
But I just don't want this process to be over, so I am going to

1309
01:00:31.800 --> 01:00:33.960
well, again for like literally no reason.

1310
01:00:34.079 --> 01:00:36.300
Just because we love pressing the bottom.

1311
01:00:36.300 --> 01:00:38.280
That's it.

1312
01:00:38.340 --> 01:00:40.679
I get one go. pressing the button now, is that fair?

1313
01:00:40.739 --> 01:00:42.179
No, I'm going to try it.

1314
01:00:42.239 --> 01:00:43.260
Well, you did 5 the other week.

1315
01:00:43.320 --> 01:00:45.000
We were going for all those short treks.

1316
01:00:46.679 --> 01:00:50.280
Okay, this is Star Trek Voyager.

1317
01:00:50.340 --> 01:00:55.079
Season six, episode six, Riddles.

1318
01:00:55.139 --> 01:00:56.579
Oh my god.

1319
01:00:56.639 --> 01:00:58.440
That's the episode I was telling you about the other week.

1320
01:00:58.500 --> 01:01:02.639
What, you know, I said 7 of 9 and Neelix were talking about eating

1321
01:01:02.639 --> 01:01:03.300
food.

1322
01:01:03.300 --> 01:01:05.880
And there was a whole episode of Chewbok learning how to be a

1323
01:01:05.880 --> 01:01:06.179
human again.

1324
01:01:06.539 --> 01:01:09.840
It's really awful and there's loads of e-bix in here.

1325
01:01:09.900 --> 01:01:10.500
Push again.

1326
01:01:10.559 --> 01:01:11.280
Okay.

1327
01:01:12.599 --> 01:01:19.199
Okay, this is this is also Star Trek Voyager, and it's part one of

1328
01:01:19.199 --> 01:01:21.000
a two-part story, I think.

1329
01:01:22.500 --> 01:01:25.079
So we would have to do both parts.

1330
01:01:25.139 --> 01:01:25.920
Of course.

1331
01:01:25.920 --> 01:01:27.239
That's our rule.

1332
01:01:27.300 --> 01:01:30.360
It's the killing game from season four.

1333
01:01:30.539 --> 01:01:32.219
Wowsers.

1334
01:01:32.280 --> 01:01:34.500
That's the one in not, see, jump.

1335
01:01:34.559 --> 01:01:36.360
No, we were talking about it the other week.

1336
01:01:36.480 --> 01:01:38.940
Oh, man, that would be fun to do.

1337
01:01:38.940 --> 01:01:41.400
Because it's terrible in lots of ways.

1338
01:01:41.519 --> 01:01:44.579
But it's absolutely bloody brilliant in lots of ways as well.

1339
01:01:44.639 --> 01:01:45.719
Yeah.

1340
01:01:45.780 --> 01:01:46.440
All right.

1341
01:01:46.500 --> 01:01:49.739
Well, we've done a few 2 parters lately and I'm absolutely up for

1342
01:01:49.739 --> 01:01:51.360
another one. do you reckon?

1343
01:01:51.420 --> 01:01:54.119
Well, it's one of those wonderful episodes where we get to see all

1344
01:01:54.119 --> 01:01:55.260
the regulars in different roles.

1345
01:01:55.380 --> 01:01:56.760
Yeah, yeah.

1346
01:01:56.760 --> 01:02:00.059
Jane Way, the head of this club and the head of the resistance and

1347
01:02:00.059 --> 01:02:04.920
she has cracking rows with 7 in this and you can absolutely see

1348
01:02:04.920 --> 01:02:07.079
that crackling tension between them.

1349
01:02:07.139 --> 01:02:08.340
Oh, brilliant.

1350
01:02:08.400 --> 01:02:09.539
All right, let's do that then.

1351
01:02:09.599 --> 01:02:11.039
I'm there for.

1352
01:02:18.239 --> 01:02:22.920
You've been listening to untitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford

1353
01:02:22.920 --> 01:02:24.360
and Nathan Bottomley.

1354
01:02:24.420 --> 01:02:28.199
You can find us online at Untitled Star Trek Project.com where you

1355
01:02:28.199 --> 01:02:31.079
can find links to our Twitter, Facebook, and YouTube channel.

1356
01:02:31.139 --> 01:02:34.920
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Ciceran, and the theme was

1357
01:02:34.920 --> 01:02:36.539
composed by Cameron Lam.

1358
01:02:36.599 --> 01:02:40.559
This episode was recorded on the 12th of March 2020 and released

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01:02:40.559 --> 01:02:42.000
on the 18th of March.

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We'll see you next time for Star Trek Voyager, the killing game.