WEBVTT NOTE This transcript was created on 2026-06-06 at 22:29:58 1 00:00:22.019 --> 00:00:24.780 Hey, Joe. Hi. 2 00:00:24.839 --> 00:00:35.340 We decided last episode that we would do a story from your favourite Star Trek series, which is Deep Space Nine. 3 00:00:35.460 --> 00:00:38.039 And we randomly selected. 4 00:00:38.039 --> 00:00:42.060 Series three, episode three, the House of Quark. 5 00:00:42.179 --> 00:00:49.320 I think we might be stretching the term randomly selected there because we have rolled 5 or 6 times. 6 00:00:49.380 --> 00:00:51.840 Yeah, I think it was five, you know. 7 00:00:51.899 --> 00:00:52.560 Yeah. 8 00:00:52.679 --> 00:01:02.100 But we did, we landed on what I think is, it's not, it's not like one of the greats, but it's a very good episode of DS9. 9 00:01:02.280 --> 00:01:04.500 Certainly, a very good one to start with. 10 00:01:04.739 --> 00:01:10.079 This is a 1st for someone who's pretty important to the history of deep space 9, isn't it? 11 00:01:10.200 --> 00:01:12.060 Kind of. 12 00:01:12.120 --> 00:01:22.319 It's, it's, So series 3 is where Ron Moore skips over into DS9 and has a profound impact on the show, like going forward. 13 00:01:22.379 --> 00:01:27.239 Um, he's involved in the search 2 parter, which kicks off the season. 14 00:01:27.299 --> 00:01:46.680 I think he co-writes the 2nd episode, but this is his 1st solo script for DS9, and it's kind of his signature move because it's a Klingon episode, which was absolutely his wheelhouse in Next Generation, and would go on to be, you know, something that he would do a lot in DS9 as well. 15 00:01:46.980 --> 00:01:59.219 All right, so I'll have things to say about the relationship, I think, between this story and Star Trek, the next generation's Klingon arc, because I think it sort of riffs on that sort of quite a lot. 16 00:01:59.280 --> 00:02:03.239 Well, he does something, he does something hugely different with this. 17 00:02:03.299 --> 00:02:05.939 This is the 1st Klingon comedy. 18 00:02:06.000 --> 00:02:08.400 Like Next Generation never went there. 19 00:02:08.460 --> 00:02:18.840 Next Generation, the Klingon episodes were all very, you know, uh, like theatrical, very Shakespearean, like very like big game changer episodes, weren't they? 20 00:02:18.900 --> 00:02:27.840 Whereas this is a light slight character comedy that just happens to go to Chronos in the last in the 2nd half. 21 00:02:28.139 --> 00:02:30.539 That's a new look for the Klingons. 22 00:02:30.599 --> 00:02:31.800 Yeah, we'll see. 23 00:02:31.860 --> 00:02:42.900 I think that they are very similar to Ron Moore's Klingons in Star Trek, the next generation, all sorts of fun ways, but we will get into that when we watch the episode, which I think we might do now. 24 00:02:42.960 --> 00:02:45.960 I am more than ready to watch DS9? 25 00:02:46.020 --> 00:02:46.439 I'm ready. 26 00:02:46.500 --> 00:02:47.280 All right. 27 00:02:47.340 --> 00:02:47.699 Okay. 28 00:02:47.759 --> 00:02:49.379 So I'll count it in. 29 00:02:49.740 --> 00:02:56.580 Five, four, three, two, one, and we're off. 30 00:02:56.759 --> 00:02:57.659 Let's go. 31 00:02:57.719 --> 00:03:02.580 Is there anything more comforting than starting an episode of Deep Space 9 in Quarks? 32 00:03:02.639 --> 00:03:03.900 Have a look at this look. 33 00:03:03.960 --> 00:03:11.580 This is Morn gesticulating, doing a little gesture to Rom and Quark saying, I'm in there. 34 00:03:11.639 --> 00:03:13.080 I copped off. 35 00:03:13.439 --> 00:03:25.139 And if you watch DS9 from beginning to end, right, there's so many episodes that start with Morn, doing random things, like, and one, he's asleep on the promenade and things like that, it's such a lovely running joke. 36 00:03:25.199 --> 00:03:28.620 There's also kind of a running joke about him being hot, isn't there? 37 00:03:28.680 --> 00:03:30.539 I think Jadzia thinks he's cute. 38 00:03:31.139 --> 00:03:34.020 It's those little wavy... 39 00:03:34.020 --> 00:03:36.479 Little brishes coming out his chin, she says, yeah. 40 00:03:36.539 --> 00:03:39.240 And Kira's like, Mourn? 41 00:03:39.300 --> 00:03:39.599 Really? 42 00:03:40.020 --> 00:03:42.240 He never shuts up as well. 43 00:03:42.300 --> 00:03:43.500 You ever had a chat with him? 44 00:03:43.560 --> 00:03:45.479 Oh, he never shuts up. 45 00:03:48.539 --> 00:03:58.560 Did you notice, um, at the beginning of this episode, when we pan away from Morn, the camera very slowly slides towards Quark and Rom? 46 00:03:58.620 --> 00:03:59.039 Yeah? 47 00:03:59.099 --> 00:04:16.019 Now, I'm bringing this up, only because you and I had many conversations in the past about the energetic camera work, shall we say, in latter-day Star Trek. doesn't stop bloody moving and I'll get, you know, I'm taking like vertigo sickness tablets just to get through an episode. 48 00:04:16.319 --> 00:04:23.220 This happens at the beginning and the end of this episode. at the end of the bar and the camera slides in very, very slowly. 49 00:04:23.759 --> 00:04:30.540 I hate to say it, but that sort of pedestrian pace of camera work, that is much more my bag when it comes to Star Trek. 50 00:04:30.660 --> 00:04:36.899 So this is Les Landau, who is an absolute stalwart and has done heaps of Star Trek, the next generation by now. 51 00:04:36.959 --> 00:04:43.199 And yeah, it's like, you couldn't list all the Les Landau episodes because you would be here till the end of time. 52 00:04:43.259 --> 00:04:45.120 It directs an awful lot. 53 00:04:45.180 --> 00:04:46.980 He's like an old hand at this now. 54 00:04:47.759 --> 00:04:51.180 I think this is really, really terrific. 55 00:04:51.240 --> 00:05:03.420 So there is a little thematic thing that happens here, which is that Quark goes up to this guy is called something space name. 56 00:05:03.480 --> 00:05:04.500 Kozak. 57 00:05:04.560 --> 00:05:05.399 Kozak. 58 00:05:05.459 --> 00:05:11.160 So he goes up to Kozak and slam something down on the bar and you think he's going to go all Klingon on him. 59 00:05:11.220 --> 00:05:12.839 You know, I can deal with Klingons. 60 00:05:12.899 --> 00:05:19.560 And then immediately he starts kind of, you know, panicking and stuff like that. 61 00:05:19.620 --> 00:05:23.220 And this reaction is just romantic. 62 00:05:23.279 --> 00:05:24.240 Look at rom. 63 00:05:24.300 --> 00:05:26.100 You don't see, do you know what? 64 00:05:26.160 --> 00:05:35.759 You don't see blood in Star Trek very often, you know, if you, I don't know, if there's a book out there that would list facts, but, um, like, do you remember that battle at the end of the Way of the Warrior? 65 00:05:35.819 --> 00:05:39.720 There's only the tiniest bit of, there's corpses everywhere, but very little blood. 66 00:05:39.839 --> 00:05:41.399 So it's worth noting that. 67 00:05:41.519 --> 00:05:42.899 It's not pink. 68 00:05:42.959 --> 00:05:51.420 Of course, I know I'm skipping ahead a little bit ahead of the titles, but of course, Quark finds an immediate way to exploit this situation for financial. 69 00:05:51.480 --> 00:06:01.379 For those of you who aren't watching at the same time, he's been complaining that the Dominion threat has meant that no one is coming to Deep Space 9 anymore. 70 00:06:01.439 --> 00:06:04.139 And so he needs to make money in some way. 71 00:06:04.500 --> 00:06:12.000 Isn't that nice, though, that we've had, so we had the search two-parter where we went to the founder's home planet. 72 00:06:12.060 --> 00:06:15.600 We found out at the end of the last episode they were the head of the Dominion. 73 00:06:15.660 --> 00:06:18.060 So there's been a massive shift in the show. 74 00:06:18.120 --> 00:06:23.160 And in this episode and throughout this season, there's, it's quite gentle. 75 00:06:23.220 --> 00:06:27.540 It's not done, it's done kind of a bit less subtly in 4 and five. 76 00:06:27.600 --> 00:06:30.120 The Dominion is constantly mentioned. 77 00:06:30.180 --> 00:06:37.560 In this episode, Quark talks about it there and then Keiko says in one of those scenes, well, it just seems like everybody's frightened of the Dominion these days, you know. 78 00:06:37.620 --> 00:06:44.519 Things have changed. i.e. consequences are occurring in DS night in a way that they never did with the next generation. 79 00:06:44.579 --> 00:06:46.079 Yeah, yeah. 80 00:06:46.139 --> 00:06:50.220 No, next generation is a procedural, whereas this is sort of more serialised. 81 00:06:50.339 --> 00:06:52.560 What do we think of these titles? 82 00:06:52.980 --> 00:06:56.399 Oh, I mean, they're a bit laborious, aren't they? 83 00:06:56.519 --> 00:07:03.000 I prefer it when they're revisited and you get the 2 guys flying through space, you know, doing the upper pylons. 84 00:07:03.060 --> 00:07:04.199 Welding the pylons. 85 00:07:04.259 --> 00:07:04.860 Yeah. 86 00:07:04.920 --> 00:07:17.819 I have to say, look, you know, Star Trek, both of the previous Star Trek series, and I don't know about the animated series because it's been a long time since I've watched it, have the Enterprise kind of whizzing past really quickly. 87 00:07:17.879 --> 00:07:26.759 And this, you know, it's a stationary place and it's also trying to sell the idea that it's really distant that it's an outpost. 88 00:07:26.759 --> 00:07:28.259 And so there's nothing in the background. 89 00:07:28.319 --> 00:07:29.339 So what else are you going to do? 90 00:07:29.399 --> 00:07:30.839 You just sort of pan slowly over the model. 91 00:07:30.899 --> 00:07:33.360 But it is very stately. 92 00:07:33.420 --> 00:07:36.600 Like the camera, you know, moves very graceful. 93 00:07:36.660 --> 00:07:41.220 And the music is, you know, it's not the fastest paced music you've ever heard in your life, is it? 94 00:07:41.279 --> 00:07:42.660 I like it. 95 00:07:42.720 --> 00:07:48.300 I mean, I like it, and I think it's a nice bit of music, but they definitely give it a kick up the arse in the 2nd half of the show. 96 00:07:48.420 --> 00:07:48.839 Yeah. 97 00:07:48.899 --> 00:07:49.439 Yeah. 98 00:07:49.500 --> 00:07:51.540 Oh, Quark and Rob. 99 00:07:51.600 --> 00:07:51.839 Okay. 100 00:07:51.899 --> 00:07:53.279 Can we talk about Walk and Rob, please? 101 00:07:53.339 --> 00:07:56.579 Because I think one of the unsung relationships. 102 00:07:56.639 --> 00:08:00.660 Well, Quark and his family, I would say, are pretty unsung. 103 00:08:00.720 --> 00:08:10.740 And let's not forget that Almond Shimmerman and Max Grodenchick played Ferengi's in the next generation in like terrible episodes. 104 00:08:10.800 --> 00:08:15.060 Max Gronchick's in Captain's Holiday as this like dreadful. 105 00:08:15.180 --> 00:08:16.199 Oh, yes. 106 00:08:16.259 --> 00:08:16.680 Do you remember? 107 00:08:16.740 --> 00:08:17.399 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 108 00:08:17.399 --> 00:08:19.439 And walks in the 1st one with the... 109 00:08:19.439 --> 00:08:20.220 The last outpost. 110 00:08:20.279 --> 00:08:21.420 Yeah, I hate two. 111 00:08:21.540 --> 00:08:22.620 It's so bad. 112 00:08:22.680 --> 00:08:31.319 To have gone from there to here where they get to play this warm, lovely, slightly combative relationship. 113 00:08:31.379 --> 00:08:33.360 Man, they've come on in leaps and bounds. 114 00:08:33.419 --> 00:08:35.399 Obviously it's the writing that's improved as well. 115 00:08:35.460 --> 00:08:40.320 I mean, in a sense, I think that they're a kind of sitcom duo, aren't they? 116 00:08:40.379 --> 00:08:44.220 Like you know how Quark's going to react to any sort of given thing. 117 00:08:44.279 --> 00:08:48.419 And here there is a kind of character arc for him. 118 00:08:48.480 --> 00:08:50.700 But he doesn't change too much. 119 00:08:50.759 --> 00:08:57.720 You know, he changes a bit, but we make it very clear at the end of the episode that he's the old quark as well. 120 00:08:57.840 --> 00:09:00.779 But I think that's Robert, the point, isn't it? 121 00:09:00.840 --> 00:09:02.220 And right to the end of the series. 122 00:09:02.279 --> 00:09:14.279 Like at the end of the series, when the political landscape on Fringenar has changed completely, and Rom is like the Nagus, Hawk's just like, well, this bar will be like the last outpost of the old for... 123 00:09:14.399 --> 00:09:16.860 So he's still clinging on to his old voice. 124 00:09:16.919 --> 00:09:26.460 Whereas rom goes on this enormous journey throughout the show. of like finding his confidence, saying to his brother, no, I'm not going to be, you know, your slave anymore. 125 00:09:26.519 --> 00:09:30.600 I'm going to go find my own way, getting a job, getting a wife, and then getting a planet. 126 00:09:30.659 --> 00:09:34.379 You know, like, Look at, look at Julian's face. 127 00:09:34.379 --> 00:09:36.960 Like Julian is so sceptical. 128 00:09:37.019 --> 00:09:40.259 Julian is absolutely not buying any of cork shit at all. 129 00:09:40.320 --> 00:09:49.259 And just the look on his face and this scene goes out and I think it's him and Odo just kind of going, can you believe this guy? 130 00:09:49.320 --> 00:09:50.940 It's really terrific. 131 00:09:51.000 --> 00:09:53.759 Well, like, you know people like this. 132 00:09:53.820 --> 00:09:55.919 I know people like this, bullshit all the time. 133 00:09:55.980 --> 00:10:00.059 But just they tell the story so well, but you just want to listen, you know? 134 00:10:00.840 --> 00:10:03.720 Just another look from Julian. 135 00:10:03.779 --> 00:10:04.559 It's so good. 136 00:10:04.679 --> 00:10:11.759 Um, yeah, well, because because Rom is kind of hopeless at everything or hopeless at being a Ferengi. 137 00:10:11.820 --> 00:10:14.580 As far as Quark's concerned, he's really terrible at everything. 138 00:10:14.639 --> 00:10:20.759 And, of course, we discover that ROM is far, far more competent and intelligent than Quark, don't we? 139 00:10:20.820 --> 00:10:24.179 He's sort of technically competent in a way that Quark absolutely isn't. 140 00:10:24.240 --> 00:10:25.500 Alright. 141 00:10:25.559 --> 00:10:27.779 And he achieves all those things that Quork never does. 142 00:10:27.840 --> 00:10:29.220 He gets married to a beautiful woman. 143 00:10:29.279 --> 00:10:30.419 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 144 00:10:30.419 --> 00:10:31.799 He becomes the negative. 145 00:10:31.860 --> 00:10:34.080 So that was Quark's long held dream for a long time. 146 00:10:34.500 --> 00:10:37.019 Oh, okay, here's Keiko. 147 00:10:37.080 --> 00:10:46.080 Now, look, we need to talk about Keiko, because I have a feeling that the Keiko of the next generation was quite popular and they moved her over here for a reason. 148 00:10:46.139 --> 00:10:56.700 Now, I can still remember people doing the cat noise because you know how she says, Niles, Niles, all the time. and because she's so miserable. 149 00:10:56.820 --> 00:10:58.379 In this show. 150 00:10:58.440 --> 00:10:59.940 I... 151 00:10:59.940 --> 00:11:03.059 I wonder about her. 152 00:11:03.120 --> 00:11:07.860 So she's introducing data's day and that's the day of their wedding. 153 00:11:07.919 --> 00:11:13.559 And she is kind of a bit, you know, women be crazy. 154 00:11:13.620 --> 00:11:15.179 Do you know what I mean? 155 00:11:15.240 --> 00:11:17.159 Like, um, data doesn't understand her. 156 00:11:17.220 --> 00:11:24.720 Miles doesn't understand her because she has a lady brain and she, you know, overreacts to things and stuff. 157 00:11:24.899 --> 00:11:29.879 It's written like that though, but I think she plays it with a lot of warmth in the next generation. 158 00:11:29.940 --> 00:11:35.279 I think I do too. and I think she's sort of really intelligent as well, but she isn't in it all that much. 159 00:11:35.340 --> 00:11:41.399 I remember her giving birth on the in 10 forward in disaster here. 160 00:11:41.460 --> 00:11:50.220 Like, I wonder about this B plot, I have to say, because... 161 00:11:50.220 --> 00:11:51.960 It's done for us, it's done for a specific reason. 162 00:11:52.019 --> 00:11:54.419 Yeah, to write her out of the show for a bit. 163 00:11:54.480 --> 00:11:56.100 That's what I thought. 164 00:11:56.159 --> 00:12:10.980 And then I started doing a bit of reading about this and the main reason they took her out was because they wanted to focus on the Miles and Julian relationship without Keiko being, and I'm thinking, oh, you could still do that and have her in there as well. 165 00:12:11.039 --> 00:12:12.960 Like, that's a very weird way of thinking. 166 00:12:13.019 --> 00:12:15.360 So they removed her deliberately. 167 00:12:15.419 --> 00:12:23.700 So then they, you know, they have this like bachelor pad and there is lots of, as this season goes on, there's loads of stuff with and it's glorious material. 168 00:12:23.759 --> 00:12:25.919 So I kind of think they probably made a smart move. 169 00:12:26.039 --> 00:12:29.340 Don't you like the fact, though, that she's not comfortable there. 170 00:12:29.460 --> 00:12:30.840 There's somebody saying, do you know what? 171 00:12:30.899 --> 00:12:35.759 This is a miserable place and terrible things happen here and this is no way for a family to be. 172 00:12:35.820 --> 00:12:37.259 I quite like that. 173 00:12:37.320 --> 00:12:38.399 Yeah, yeah. 174 00:12:38.460 --> 00:12:44.100 I do think the B blood is sort of terribly thin and I do think they should go. 175 00:12:44.159 --> 00:12:49.440 He's really annoying in a way that like, I'll talk about it later. 176 00:12:49.500 --> 00:12:55.139 There's a scene coming up later, which I just think is unbelievably miserable and incredibly annoying. 177 00:12:55.200 --> 00:12:57.539 Is it when she makes her a lovely meal? 178 00:12:58.139 --> 00:13:00.360 And then, yeah, they bone. 179 00:13:00.419 --> 00:13:01.500 No, no that's okay. 180 00:13:01.559 --> 00:13:10.740 And the next morning, he's like, right, well, I'm off to work and he does that thing that they do in drama where they just hang out at the door watching the other person and the other person's not aware that they're watching them. 181 00:13:10.799 --> 00:13:12.299 No, she's aware. 182 00:13:12.360 --> 00:13:13.019 She's aware. 183 00:13:13.080 --> 00:13:14.399 That's the worst thing about it will get there. 184 00:13:14.460 --> 00:13:15.899 Okay, okay. 185 00:13:15.960 --> 00:13:18.360 Oh, okay, okay. 186 00:13:18.419 --> 00:13:19.559 Odo and Quark. 187 00:13:19.620 --> 00:13:22.440 Just win-win across the series. 188 00:13:22.500 --> 00:13:24.659 You can't go wrong with Odon Quark. 189 00:13:24.720 --> 00:13:29.220 Do you think they're the 2 best actors in the regular cast, like in the credited... 190 00:13:29.220 --> 00:13:31.440 That's a toughie. 191 00:13:31.500 --> 00:13:32.580 This is a strong cast. 192 00:13:32.639 --> 00:13:34.139 Yeah, I think. 193 00:13:34.200 --> 00:13:35.940 So you tentially. 194 00:13:36.000 --> 00:13:42.659 Oberjois was in Benson, and I actually remember that when I was a kid, and that's a sitcom. 195 00:13:42.720 --> 00:13:49.500 And I don't know what, um, what else Armond Shimmerman did before this. 196 00:13:49.559 --> 00:13:52.139 He was doing a Buffy concurrent with this, you know? 197 00:13:52.200 --> 00:13:53.220 So he was doing this. 198 00:13:53.279 --> 00:13:54.659 Buffy at the same time. 199 00:13:54.720 --> 00:13:58.139 And let's not forget his wonderful principal Snyder. 200 00:13:58.200 --> 00:13:59.159 Yeah, yeah. 201 00:13:59.220 --> 00:14:02.340 And he's a sitcom character as well in a sense in Buffy too. 202 00:14:02.399 --> 00:14:03.960 Like he's there to be funny. 203 00:14:04.019 --> 00:14:09.059 And so those 2 are like a weird sitcom odd couple. 204 00:14:09.120 --> 00:14:17.279 And I do think the fact, you know, this isn't a procedural, there's no problem to solve that the crew has to solve. 205 00:14:17.340 --> 00:14:24.240 It's entirely about, you know, Quark being a fish out of water, quite getting into scrapes by telling lies. 206 00:14:24.299 --> 00:14:25.740 It's a classic sitcom plot. 207 00:14:26.399 --> 00:14:29.580 But it's not doing the next gen thing, is it? 208 00:14:29.639 --> 00:14:31.259 of habit of like working to a formula. 209 00:14:31.379 --> 00:14:36.059 I think this story goes off on some weird angles that you don't expect it to. 210 00:14:36.120 --> 00:14:37.379 And that's very refreshing. 211 00:14:37.440 --> 00:14:46.559 DS9 does not feel the need to tell stories entirely through the eyes of the regulars because Quark's not really one of the regulars, is he? 212 00:14:46.620 --> 00:14:47.519 the guy that runs the bar. 213 00:14:47.580 --> 00:14:49.620 Yeah, I know, but he's in the opening credits. 214 00:14:49.679 --> 00:14:53.039 Like he's one of the kind of main characters in the ensemble. 215 00:14:53.100 --> 00:15:14.039 But, I mean, Star Trek will have Star Trek the Next Generation will have, you know, like a data episode or a Geordie episode or whatever, but usually it's the usual space problem that they come across and it, you know, the main character for this episode is, you know, crucial to the solution. 216 00:15:14.100 --> 00:15:15.899 Here, there's no space problem. 217 00:15:15.960 --> 00:15:23.639 In fact, it's quite shocking when we end up in Cisco's office a bit later on and they're doing Starfleet shit, you know? 218 00:15:23.700 --> 00:15:27.120 I don't think there's any techno babble in this episode. 219 00:15:27.179 --> 00:15:30.600 And in fact, sort of season 3 onwards of GS9. 220 00:15:30.779 --> 00:15:37.620 The Techno Battle just gets lesser and as you go along, I think Star Trek fans get a bit confused watching some of it, like, well, where's the ships? 221 00:15:37.679 --> 00:15:38.879 Where's the techno battle, you know? 222 00:15:38.940 --> 00:15:40.620 This character drama. 223 00:15:40.679 --> 00:15:41.399 What's this all about? 224 00:15:41.460 --> 00:15:43.139 I need to just talk about this scene very quickly. 225 00:15:43.200 --> 00:15:43.860 Yeah, yeah. 226 00:15:43.980 --> 00:15:49.500 When Quark tries to say Kapla in a minute, it's so funny. 227 00:15:49.500 --> 00:15:52.379 It's so good, isn't it? 228 00:15:52.440 --> 00:16:04.799 But the comic performers of the Klingon. where he's like, I hope you're not saying this. and then it just suddenly goes, on the other hand, it's really, it's a very funny performance from this guy. 229 00:16:05.820 --> 00:16:17.940 What it's doing, I think, is it's doing what Ron Moore does in Star Trek the Next Generation, which is he creates the Klingon society, like Klingon society, really, doesn't he? 230 00:16:18.000 --> 00:16:30.779 And, and what we discover is all the honour stuff is a facade and it's being wielded by the characters in order to get, like for political ends, let's say. 231 00:16:30.840 --> 00:16:36.179 And so, you know, Worf accepts discommendation at the end of, what, series four? 232 00:16:36.240 --> 00:16:39.120 No, at the, yeah, anyway, I can't remember. 233 00:16:39.179 --> 00:16:39.899 Sins of the Father. 234 00:16:39.960 --> 00:16:40.259 Yeah. 235 00:16:40.320 --> 00:16:45.000 He's been discommended from the Klingon Empire and we'll get that in a 2nd later. 236 00:16:45.059 --> 00:16:49.019 But it's all done for a political purpose, right? 237 00:16:49.080 --> 00:16:51.240 And you've got the jockeying for power and all of that. 238 00:16:51.299 --> 00:16:52.379 Here. 239 00:16:52.440 --> 00:16:57.779 We think that I assume that De Gore, De Gore. 240 00:16:57.840 --> 00:16:58.919 Is that his name? 241 00:16:59.340 --> 00:17:02.220 Yeah, was being honest, right? 242 00:17:03.120 --> 00:17:06.299 that his family's honour was at stake. 243 00:17:06.359 --> 00:17:11.160 And so Quark now has to say that he bested him in combat. 244 00:17:11.220 --> 00:17:18.779 And then later on, we discovered that that's all bullshit, and the purpose of it is so that he can take over. 245 00:17:18.779 --> 00:17:29.220 I mean, that marvellously outrageous suggestion that a Klingon has used what financial means to bring down a great house. 246 00:17:29.279 --> 00:17:31.380 Yeah, but at the end of this. 247 00:17:31.440 --> 00:17:42.839 And I don't want to even skip ahead, but Corp literally pulls that facade down when he says, no, I'm here to be executed and fine, if that's the case, do it, but I'm not going to fight you. 248 00:17:42.900 --> 00:17:44.460 I'm not going to pretend, just kill me. 249 00:17:44.519 --> 00:17:45.539 Yeah, yeah. 250 00:17:45.599 --> 00:17:49.440 So it's the same thing, but done for a sort of comedy effect. 251 00:17:49.500 --> 00:18:00.059 I mean, the, the, the Klingons in this episode go on about honour, but the rules they sort of bring to bear are kind of made up and arbitrary. 252 00:18:00.119 --> 00:18:06.900 They're sort of space rules and they're all being kind of wielded in order to kind of gain political power. 253 00:18:06.960 --> 00:18:09.480 All right, so we just soft focussed away. 254 00:18:09.539 --> 00:18:12.240 Miles and Coco boning. 255 00:18:12.299 --> 00:18:13.799 I don't want watch that. 256 00:18:13.859 --> 00:18:16.980 Thank you very much. honestly. don't get me wrong. 257 00:18:17.039 --> 00:18:18.539 Rosin Chow, it's very attractive. 258 00:18:18.599 --> 00:18:20.039 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 259 00:18:20.099 --> 00:18:22.619 Yeah, she's... honestly. 260 00:18:22.680 --> 00:18:26.759 I'm just a bit worried that they, she has to be doing bonsai. 261 00:18:26.819 --> 00:18:29.099 They just kind of, I just kind of think, okay. 262 00:18:29.160 --> 00:18:35.339 You really believe it, relationship, though, you know, I think they have very good chemistry pair of them. 263 00:18:35.400 --> 00:18:43.920 Well, this, so that thing where she reacts to him pulling away from her with sort of dismay and she kind of stumbles a little bit. 264 00:18:43.980 --> 00:18:45.240 I think that's very good. 265 00:18:45.299 --> 00:18:52.799 Then he's standing at the door and then she sits down just looking miserable and going, I'm going to sit in this dark room for 8 hours while you're away. 266 00:18:53.339 --> 00:18:55.680 And he's watching her. 267 00:18:55.740 --> 00:18:59.759 And it's kind of like, can you not do a better job of pretending to be happy at least? 268 00:18:59.819 --> 00:19:01.140 so miserable. 269 00:19:01.200 --> 00:19:02.339 What's wrong? 270 00:19:02.339 --> 00:19:05.160 all the bloody stops for the nothing. 271 00:19:06.000 --> 00:19:09.420 Don't you sit there and pretend to me you haven't done this. 272 00:19:09.480 --> 00:19:10.619 I have absolutely... 273 00:19:10.680 --> 00:19:13.259 I have absolutely been Keiko in this scene, all right? 274 00:19:13.500 --> 00:19:15.480 Oh, my God. 275 00:19:15.539 --> 00:19:19.019 Oh, Mary K. as grill car. 276 00:19:19.079 --> 00:19:21.720 She is bloody brilliant in this. 277 00:19:21.839 --> 00:19:33.599 The way she comes in here, and she's quite gentle, approaches Cork, and he thinks, okay, we have a civilised conversation and out comes the knife, defend just out. hilarious. 278 00:19:33.660 --> 00:19:37.319 And he tumbles over the bloody bar and all the latinum's flying everywhere. 279 00:19:37.380 --> 00:19:39.420 I think glasses break as well. 280 00:19:39.480 --> 00:19:45.299 You watch. absolutely. died like a warrior. 281 00:19:45.359 --> 00:19:47.039 I'm saying my picks, you know? 282 00:19:50.099 --> 00:19:54.299 Clark's actually sort of kind of acting normally for a 2nd. 283 00:19:54.359 --> 00:19:56.339 This is so clever, Israel. 284 00:19:56.339 --> 00:19:57.420 She gets the knife. 285 00:19:59.160 --> 00:20:03.359 It's just like, and why is she doing it? 286 00:20:03.480 --> 00:20:14.279 He thinks she's getting revenge, but she is proving that he's not going to have fought Kozak in battle because he's so pathetic, you know. 287 00:20:14.339 --> 00:20:15.299 So good. 288 00:20:15.359 --> 00:20:16.740 Oh, you need to prove it. 289 00:20:16.799 --> 00:20:17.279 Look at that. 290 00:20:17.339 --> 00:20:21.960 But don't you think it's hilarious how the knife is like double dramatic because the knife itself is dramatic. 291 00:20:22.019 --> 00:20:24.359 And then all of a sudden these 2 forks either side come out. 292 00:20:25.380 --> 00:20:28.259 Klingos, man, they love a bit of drama. 293 00:20:28.319 --> 00:20:29.160 They do. 294 00:20:29.160 --> 00:20:31.920 Just anyway, he pushes away the knife. 295 00:20:32.460 --> 00:20:34.559 You could just get out of my face. 296 00:20:35.039 --> 00:20:42.119 But what's lovely here, what Romaw does here with these 2 characters is obviously initially they can't bear each other. 297 00:20:42.180 --> 00:20:43.079 They want to be around each other. 298 00:20:43.140 --> 00:20:44.279 I want to get married to each other. 299 00:20:44.339 --> 00:20:54.240 Um, It's that culture clash of bringing together these 2 races, very disparate races that learn from each other and learn each other's strengths. 300 00:20:54.299 --> 00:20:58.259 And I know that's old hat, but when it's done this confidently, who cares? 301 00:20:58.259 --> 00:20:59.099 And this well played. 302 00:21:01.200 --> 00:21:05.279 Like, cork never, ever stops being a frank in this, does it? 303 00:21:05.339 --> 00:21:06.240 He never, ever stops. 304 00:21:06.299 --> 00:21:07.619 His weapon is his brain. 305 00:21:07.740 --> 00:21:13.319 And he's constantly using that throughout to try and because now from now on when he's on Kronos. 306 00:21:13.380 --> 00:21:19.859 He's basically, you know, there's a there's a knife to his throat at all times and he's got to try and duck away from that. 307 00:21:19.920 --> 00:21:27.240 Well, I think the genius of this episode is mashing up Quark and the Klingons. 308 00:21:27.299 --> 00:21:30.480 So we've always seen the Klingons over against the Federation. 309 00:21:30.960 --> 00:21:37.440 And now we get someone who seems kind of uniquely poorly suited to dealing with them. 310 00:21:37.980 --> 00:21:47.160 And, you know, right back from, what's the one in series 2 of Star Trek, the Next Generation where Riker goes on board the on exchange? 311 00:21:47.220 --> 00:21:48.539 Matter of honour. 312 00:21:48.599 --> 00:21:49.619 Matter of honour? 313 00:21:49.680 --> 00:21:50.039 right. 314 00:21:50.099 --> 00:21:53.460 And so the way that you deal with Klingons is by being violent. 315 00:21:53.519 --> 00:22:02.160 You know, the Vulcan Hello. you hit you hit them 1st and so he's he's uniquely unsuitable to deal with them. 316 00:22:02.220 --> 00:22:14.700 And he operates in a different register because he is a sitcom character because he's devious and silly and funny and they're serious and ridiculous and kind of self-important. 317 00:22:14.759 --> 00:22:17.160 Like, he shows them up. 318 00:22:17.220 --> 00:22:19.140 He makes them look sillier. 319 00:22:19.680 --> 00:22:23.220 In a way... 320 00:22:23.279 --> 00:22:26.220 Well, in a way that next generation could never possibly afford to do. 321 00:22:26.819 --> 00:22:29.039 You know, they're too important. 322 00:22:29.099 --> 00:22:31.980 If you'd have said to me after, like, redemption. 323 00:22:32.039 --> 00:22:35.700 Oh yeah, you know, we're going to skip over the DS 9 now and do a Klingon comedy. 324 00:22:35.700 --> 00:22:38.579 I'd laugh in your face and say, how could you possibly do that? 325 00:22:38.640 --> 00:22:43.559 And all you need to do is to plop quark in amongst a lot of Klingons. 326 00:22:43.559 --> 00:22:44.640 And it's suddenly very funny. 327 00:22:44.700 --> 00:22:58.140 That bit later on where Quarks explaining like all the financial ways that Kozak, no Kozak, the gore, has brought down Grouka's house with, and Garan just sort of throws the thing aside and goes, enough. 328 00:22:58.200 --> 00:22:59.880 I'm not listening to this anymore, you know? 329 00:22:59.940 --> 00:23:02.039 This isn't how we do things here, you know? 330 00:23:02.220 --> 00:23:06.420 So here's a very romantic moment because Quark is going to get married. 331 00:23:06.480 --> 00:23:08.460 He doesn't realise it. 332 00:23:08.519 --> 00:23:21.180 There's a point to be made about Klingon wedding ceremonies here because I know you remember the wedding of Dax and Wharf, which is this overly elaborate theatrical affair with this crazy metaphorical story of 2 hearts coming together and it's all very open. 333 00:23:21.240 --> 00:23:24.180 I think this is like the Klingon civil ceremony. 334 00:23:24.240 --> 00:23:28.859 Well, you know, the cheap, the cheap ass Klingon ceremony, where they... office wedding. 335 00:23:28.920 --> 00:23:31.859 Knife to the throw, a quick kiss, you're married. 336 00:23:32.220 --> 00:23:36.299 And that's actually Klingon for you may kiss the bribe there. 337 00:23:36.359 --> 00:23:37.019 We just saw that. 338 00:23:37.079 --> 00:23:38.579 Which is spits. 339 00:23:38.579 --> 00:23:41.160 You don't often see characters in Star Trek spitting either. 340 00:23:41.220 --> 00:23:45.119 Well, that's done deliberately, isn't it? 341 00:23:45.180 --> 00:23:48.720 Because then that's contrasted with later when she really kisses him, you know? 342 00:23:48.779 --> 00:23:50.519 Yeah, it's kind of hard, actually. 343 00:23:50.579 --> 00:23:52.079 I buy it. 344 00:23:52.140 --> 00:23:52.740 We'll get there. 345 00:23:53.039 --> 00:23:57.180 Well, I complained about that chased kiss in yesterday's enterprise. 346 00:23:57.240 --> 00:23:58.859 I thought this one was a bit hotter. 347 00:23:58.920 --> 00:24:02.160 Yeah, I think it is harder than yesterday's surprising. 348 00:24:02.160 --> 00:24:03.299 I'm not kissing your light, Nathan. 349 00:24:04.920 --> 00:24:07.740 All right, we're back from the ad break. 350 00:24:07.859 --> 00:24:11.880 And now look, here are people that aren't covered in latex talking. 351 00:24:11.880 --> 00:24:14.339 And it is kind of like the 1st time. 352 00:24:14.400 --> 00:24:15.960 It's so weird. 353 00:24:16.079 --> 00:24:19.200 This is like the 1st time it's a Star Trek episode. 354 00:24:19.259 --> 00:24:20.339 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 355 00:24:20.400 --> 00:24:21.900 They're all in Starfleet uniforms. 356 00:24:21.960 --> 00:24:29.400 You know, we saw Julian in the earlier scene and some other Starfleet people in the background, you know, and we've had Keiko and Miles, I guess. 357 00:24:29.460 --> 00:24:40.259 But this, we're in an office talking space things, and we've got pads in front of us and stuff, and we're, you know, this is what the focus of the episode would be if it was Star Trek the Next Generation. 358 00:24:40.680 --> 00:24:44.579 Although, I love the fact that Kiro clearly misses the cues here. 359 00:24:44.640 --> 00:24:46.920 She's like, well, I'm not going to letting the boys talk. 360 00:24:46.980 --> 00:24:50.099 I'm working, you know. so good. 361 00:24:50.160 --> 00:24:53.279 She's once seen and she manages to steal it. 362 00:24:53.339 --> 00:24:55.799 She's spinning it off as she leaves. 363 00:24:56.039 --> 00:24:58.440 Is it Nana or Nana? 364 00:24:58.500 --> 00:25:00.059 I think it's Nana. 365 00:25:00.119 --> 00:25:00.539 I don't know. 366 00:25:00.599 --> 00:25:01.079 I don't know. 367 00:25:01.380 --> 00:25:03.480 We'd better work it out. 368 00:25:03.539 --> 00:25:05.339 We were doing this for a long time. 369 00:25:05.759 --> 00:25:09.720 Oh, Brian, having the weird suggestion. 370 00:25:09.779 --> 00:25:13.200 Well, we're going to give Keiko a cargo base, as you can turn it into a garden. 371 00:25:13.259 --> 00:25:15.960 I worked on the Enterprise, we're on DS9 now. 372 00:25:16.019 --> 00:25:20.759 Yeah, I mean, she worked in the arboretum on the Enterprise. 373 00:25:20.819 --> 00:25:22.559 Like, do you remember that set, though? 374 00:25:22.559 --> 00:25:23.700 Oh, it was so bad. 375 00:25:23.759 --> 00:25:24.779 It's terrible. 376 00:25:24.839 --> 00:25:25.859 Yeah. 377 00:25:25.859 --> 00:25:29.400 Although they could probably do with, you know, a bit of foliage on DS9. 378 00:25:29.579 --> 00:25:31.200 Yeah, yeah, yeah, tying up a little bit. 379 00:25:31.259 --> 00:25:33.119 Turn the fucking lights up at some point. 380 00:25:33.180 --> 00:25:35.279 I'm sorry, I'm going to argue this point. 381 00:25:35.339 --> 00:25:36.299 Have you ever seen what time? 382 00:25:36.299 --> 00:25:37.500 For the drama. 383 00:25:37.559 --> 00:25:38.940 I like the movie lighting. 384 00:25:40.619 --> 00:25:50.519 In fact, I was noticing it in the O'Briens quarters earlier on, you know, the way that there's kind of everything seems to be lit through grills and stuff like that. 385 00:25:50.579 --> 00:25:53.519 It just makes it sort of slightly interesting, super impractical. 386 00:25:53.579 --> 00:25:57.420 But it does make for interesting scenes. 387 00:25:57.480 --> 00:25:58.500 Just like this. 388 00:25:58.500 --> 00:26:02.819 Look at this soft Cisco with hair. 389 00:26:03.000 --> 00:26:07.740 I mean, series 4 that, they completely revolutionise this character, don't they? 390 00:26:07.859 --> 00:26:15.059 And Avery Brook literally just jumps out of the closet with lots of energy. able to look like how he wants to look, you know? 391 00:26:15.720 --> 00:26:18.960 He's quite eccentric, Avery Brooks, isn't he? 392 00:26:19.019 --> 00:26:20.940 Like he's Fabulously so... 393 00:26:21.000 --> 00:26:22.559 Did you see that documentary where he's there? 394 00:26:22.559 --> 00:26:23.940 and Shatner's trying to ask him. 395 00:26:23.940 --> 00:26:25.200 Yeah, captains, isn't it? 396 00:26:25.259 --> 00:26:26.940 And he's just playing like jazz. 397 00:26:27.000 --> 00:26:29.099 He's going, no, I'm just going to play jazz. 398 00:26:29.160 --> 00:26:30.839 He was amazing. 399 00:26:30.900 --> 00:26:31.500 Good. 400 00:26:31.559 --> 00:26:38.460 And I think he becomes just incredibly charming and sexy by the end of this, but he is very restrained as well. 401 00:26:38.640 --> 00:26:43.619 And this scene, I think, is, again, part of the tedious B plot. 402 00:26:43.680 --> 00:26:46.920 Okay, back to the picture of Kronos. 403 00:26:46.980 --> 00:26:48.779 I like the Matt work, though. 404 00:26:48.839 --> 00:26:51.240 And I think they get better at doing it as they go along. 405 00:26:51.299 --> 00:26:59.819 Cardassia and Bajor, particularly when they have like the, it's a beautiful picture every time and they just, they move a few bits, don't they? 406 00:26:59.819 --> 00:27:06.240 Water, waterfalls and things like that, just to make it feel as if it's a moving image rather than a photograph. 407 00:27:06.299 --> 00:27:13.500 I think, you know, they lent into this because it had gone down so well in Star Trek the Next Generation. 408 00:27:13.559 --> 00:27:18.000 I think they won Emmys and stuff for the design of the Klingon home world in that. 409 00:27:18.059 --> 00:27:25.619 The only time this appears in DS9, you know, weirdly enough, because the Klingons have a big role in DS9, but it's the only time we go to Kronos. 410 00:27:25.740 --> 00:27:26.400 Right. 411 00:27:29.519 --> 00:27:32.640 In those robes, like, no, no, no. 412 00:27:33.480 --> 00:27:36.359 Oh, and now look at Gauron. 413 00:27:36.420 --> 00:27:42.779 And so Gowron is, when he 1st appears, he is so weird looking. 414 00:27:42.779 --> 00:27:45.660 And it's not just the sort of bug eyes, but the teeth as well. 415 00:27:45.720 --> 00:27:53.759 He's a little bit animalish, and of course, you know, Duras is a known quantity and Gower on is just kind of weird and upsetting. 416 00:27:53.759 --> 00:27:57.000 And so here he gets to be in a sitcom. 417 00:27:57.660 --> 00:28:00.420 And he's very, very funny as well. 418 00:28:00.480 --> 00:28:03.960 Did you say he's weird when he when he starts in the show? 419 00:28:04.019 --> 00:28:05.039 He's weird throughout. 420 00:28:05.099 --> 00:28:10.079 I mean, why the Warrior, when he's on that screen, a glory to your heart. 421 00:28:10.140 --> 00:28:10.859 That's right. 422 00:28:10.980 --> 00:28:15.839 He is the most mad eccentric you are going to find in Star Trek. 423 00:28:15.839 --> 00:28:19.019 And I think it's fabulous that he's the head of the Klingons, you know? 424 00:28:19.079 --> 00:28:22.619 I think I've seen him without makeup and he looks completely unremarkable. 425 00:28:22.680 --> 00:28:24.059 You have. 426 00:28:24.119 --> 00:28:29.039 He is without makeup as the person who's counting the money in bada bing bada bang. 427 00:28:29.039 --> 00:28:32.220 And you can tell that's him because of the crazy eyes. 428 00:28:35.519 --> 00:28:38.460 I do think it is just so strange. 429 00:28:38.519 --> 00:28:44.460 How many scenes here have everyone in just hours and hours of makeup? 430 00:28:44.519 --> 00:28:47.339 It's uh, it's really very bizarre. 431 00:28:47.460 --> 00:28:49.920 Michael, is it Michael Westmore that does the makeup? 432 00:28:49.980 --> 00:28:50.640 that's right. 433 00:28:50.700 --> 00:28:52.859 He must have been a busy man. 434 00:28:52.920 --> 00:29:02.339 It's just, you know, for on Next Generation, there would be one or 2 people in the room for budgetary reasons and that's sort of basically it. 435 00:29:03.000 --> 00:29:14.940 There's actually a very cute story that Mary Adams tells that before they started filming this, Almond Shimmer went up to her and said, it is agonising being inside that makeup. 436 00:29:15.000 --> 00:29:25.140 And if you need a moment, if you are, you know, if you're feeling anxious about it all, because, you know, they did like 14 hour days or something in that makeup, sweating themselves. 437 00:29:25.200 --> 00:29:26.819 He said, just come and find me. 438 00:29:26.880 --> 00:29:27.359 I'll help you. 439 00:29:27.420 --> 00:29:40.200 And she said that going into other shows, because obviously this is a guest part in, you know, an ensemble show, that there was never that kind of consideration and that was one of the kindest moment that she's had from another actor to come up to her like before they started. 440 00:29:40.380 --> 00:29:48.900 And Armin Shimmerman absolutely seems to be that man, if you see him in interviews and things like that, you know. very thoughtful, very kind actor. 441 00:29:48.960 --> 00:29:49.500 Yeah. 442 00:29:50.039 --> 00:29:52.740 He's really good in this scene. 443 00:29:52.799 --> 00:30:09.180 I think this scene is one of the best scenes in the episode and it is because it's the kind of, you know, it's the moment where Quark decides, no, I'm going to solve this problem myself, but in a sort of Ferengi way. 444 00:30:09.240 --> 00:30:12.539 You know, Grillk has got nothing. 445 00:30:12.599 --> 00:30:13.440 I'm going to work with her. 446 00:30:13.500 --> 00:30:14.759 I'm gonna kind of help her out. 447 00:30:14.819 --> 00:30:20.880 And I think I think the way the 2 of them play it, you know, they're no longer antagonistic. 448 00:30:20.940 --> 00:30:31.200 She's initially sort of suspicious and a bit revolted by him and now the 2 of them are going to work together and I just think the way the dynamic changes. 449 00:30:31.259 --> 00:30:37.440 She can't quite get rid of her to stay because she's like, you mean the Gora's been lying and scheming like a... 450 00:30:37.440 --> 00:30:40.200 And it's like, yes, like a Ferengi. 451 00:30:40.259 --> 00:30:41.700 Yeah, he's proud of it. 452 00:30:41.759 --> 00:30:43.380 I really like that as well. 453 00:30:43.440 --> 00:30:51.539 It's that, that, that, you know, yes, we are like that and I'm absolutely happy that we're like that, you know. 454 00:30:51.599 --> 00:30:52.680 Look what we can do. 455 00:30:52.740 --> 00:30:57.059 We can bring down your entire house, you know, just by basically, fiddling the books. 456 00:31:00.119 --> 00:31:05.099 I don't think I'm going to be bold and say I don't think Arman Shimmerman ever gives a bad performance. 457 00:31:05.160 --> 00:31:09.299 I think he is astonishingly good throughout this entire run. 458 00:31:09.359 --> 00:31:12.420 He's given some pretty thankless kind of... 459 00:31:12.539 --> 00:31:19.980 I mean, this is quite a good sitcom episode, but I know that a lot of the Ferengi episodes are not particularly popular. 460 00:31:20.039 --> 00:31:25.200 And we did roll profit and lace, I think, last time and rejected it. 461 00:31:25.259 --> 00:31:27.779 Well, you know, I've got a theory about that as well. 462 00:31:27.839 --> 00:31:46.079 I think that the Ferengi episodes are unpopular in America, because I've read a few American review sites where and Jammers reviews is one, where they're really not popular at all, whereas in England, I remember in a lot of magazines at the time, these were all really quite popular. 463 00:31:46.140 --> 00:31:51.000 And a lot of the Ferengi humour is very much like an English sitcom. 464 00:31:51.059 --> 00:31:51.599 Right. 465 00:31:51.599 --> 00:31:54.539 It's pointing out the failings of society. 466 00:31:54.599 --> 00:32:03.900 American sitcoms are all about, you know, like celebrating how fabulous we are and overplaying jokes and walking in a room and everyone's cheering and in it boring. 467 00:32:03.960 --> 00:32:10.619 Whereas English sitcoms, think of things like one foot in the grave and things like that, it's talking about like the darker side of human nature. 468 00:32:10.680 --> 00:32:12.960 And the Ferengi episodes lean into that. 469 00:32:12.960 --> 00:32:18.299 And there's also like repeated sayings in Ferengi episodes that that happens in English sitcoms as well. 470 00:32:18.660 --> 00:32:23.940 I think I think depending on where your audience is. and what they're used to watching. 471 00:32:24.059 --> 00:32:27.299 Well, depending on how you feel about bringing this. 472 00:32:27.359 --> 00:32:28.200 I really like them. 473 00:32:28.259 --> 00:32:31.859 I think they're very stagey, very theatrical, but just very witty. 474 00:32:31.980 --> 00:32:39.240 Um, and because there's always great actors like Armand Shimmerman, Match Squad Chick, um, Aaron Eisenberg. 475 00:32:39.299 --> 00:32:46.559 I mean, if you've got a witty script and you've got great actors, I'm there, you know, I think they're much better than people say. 476 00:32:46.619 --> 00:32:55.380 I think too that as sort of science fiction fans, we tend to want our shows not to be ridiculous. 477 00:32:55.440 --> 00:32:58.440 Like we don't want them to take place in a ridiculous world. 478 00:32:58.500 --> 00:33:01.740 And I kind of think that if you're watching Star Trek without attitude. 479 00:33:01.799 --> 00:33:10.559 You're going to be kind of constantly disappointed because we've just had this whole episode where people with latex on their face are kind of shouting at one another and stuff. 480 00:33:10.619 --> 00:33:13.200 You know, the premise is inherently ridiculous, I think. 481 00:33:13.259 --> 00:33:15.420 I wouldn't suggest that they watch lower decks then. 482 00:33:15.480 --> 00:33:16.619 Well, that's it. 483 00:33:16.680 --> 00:33:24.119 That's why I love lower decks as well, because lower decks, absolutely kind of makes the universe ridiculous. 484 00:33:24.180 --> 00:33:26.099 Or leads into how ridiculous it is. 485 00:33:26.160 --> 00:33:27.480 I know you as well. 486 00:33:27.539 --> 00:33:33.180 I know you really like fun over the top stuff, which, you know, the Ferengi episodes are. 487 00:33:33.299 --> 00:33:37.200 When you and I were talking about like a top 10 list of Star Trek episodes. 488 00:33:37.259 --> 00:33:44.099 You are throwing out things like Bada Bing, Bada bang, and take me out to the hollow suite, which, you know, are literally unique to your list, I think. 489 00:33:44.160 --> 00:33:45.720 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 490 00:33:45.779 --> 00:33:52.980 Yeah. just kind of leaning into the ones that have fun, you know, and do fun things with the characters. 491 00:33:53.759 --> 00:33:57.420 But it's always nice because then the actors get to loosen up a bit. 492 00:33:57.480 --> 00:33:58.559 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 493 00:33:58.619 --> 00:33:59.579 And that's always fun. 494 00:33:59.640 --> 00:34:03.900 I mean, look at the end of better being better bang, for God's sake, with Avery singing. 495 00:34:03.960 --> 00:34:05.039 So tremendous. 496 00:34:05.099 --> 00:34:08.760 To some people, though, that would be the Nadir on Star Trek, you know. 497 00:34:08.820 --> 00:34:10.500 No, I love that star. 498 00:34:10.500 --> 00:34:11.159 It's beautiful. 499 00:34:11.219 --> 00:34:12.119 Just awesome. 500 00:34:13.619 --> 00:34:17.280 He should have met our forces in battle, she said. 501 00:34:20.340 --> 00:34:22.559 Oh, dear, this blocking is so great. 502 00:34:22.619 --> 00:34:24.960 I love it when characters talk to the back of each other's heads. 503 00:34:25.079 --> 00:34:26.699 No one ever does that in that. 504 00:34:26.760 --> 00:34:29.460 There is a lot of that in 90s track. 505 00:34:29.639 --> 00:34:31.380 Unfortunately. 506 00:34:31.440 --> 00:34:34.019 It's just where TV was at the time, though, wasn't it? 507 00:34:34.079 --> 00:34:34.920 Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 508 00:34:34.980 --> 00:34:36.239 No, no, it's standard. 509 00:34:36.300 --> 00:34:42.059 And see, I really, really like this because she is really warming to him. 510 00:34:42.239 --> 00:34:45.300 He's starting to like her. 511 00:34:45.360 --> 00:34:52.980 She's smiling and really like really warmly and genuinely as... when you think she's coming in for a kiss. 512 00:34:53.099 --> 00:34:53.880 Oh yeah. 513 00:34:54.599 --> 00:34:58.320 I really am very grateful for all you've done, Quark. 514 00:34:58.380 --> 00:35:06.000 That is why I'm going to let you take your hand off my thigh instead of shattering every bone in your body. 515 00:35:06.059 --> 00:35:07.559 Oh my god. 516 00:35:07.559 --> 00:35:12.239 She smiles at the end of it and he laughs like she doesn't play it as a threat at all. 517 00:35:12.300 --> 00:35:13.800 Oh, good. 518 00:35:15.119 --> 00:35:17.639 Let's go talk to the council. 519 00:35:17.760 --> 00:35:19.559 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 520 00:35:19.619 --> 00:35:21.960 They go off like a happily married couple. 521 00:35:22.320 --> 00:35:24.539 It's so tremendous. 522 00:35:24.599 --> 00:35:27.360 And look, he talks about column J. 523 00:35:27.420 --> 00:35:38.340 So these people all have iPhones in this scene and they have Excel on them and he's directing their attention to the figures in column J. 524 00:35:38.400 --> 00:35:40.139 It's so tremendously great. 525 00:35:41.099 --> 00:35:45.719 There's just the look on Garon's face, like the sheer astonishment, you know? 526 00:35:46.320 --> 00:35:50.039 He hurls his iPhone seeks to the floor. 527 00:35:50.099 --> 00:35:56.639 It just goes to show that Robert O'Reilly is capable of doing like really good comedy, you know, and they haven't lent into that until this point. 528 00:35:56.880 --> 00:36:03.420 Whereas this, I'm sorry, this, the gore, that's an entirely comic performance from beginning to end, you know? 529 00:36:03.480 --> 00:36:09.960 Yeah, yeah. because it's just giant and blustering and he's like a big stupid Klingon, like in a ridiculous Klingon. 530 00:36:10.019 --> 00:36:11.519 I think he's really terrific. 531 00:36:11.579 --> 00:36:13.500 And he ends up sort of being the butter thing. 532 00:36:13.559 --> 00:36:18.719 Do you know, there was there was actually no intention to bring Garon over to DS 9. 533 00:36:18.780 --> 00:36:27.300 Ron Moore insists. and there's a quote from Ira Bear saying that he thinks that Ron Moore and Gowron. got a secret pact that they're going to go everywhere together. 534 00:36:27.360 --> 00:36:30.900 And then he says, well, they've never been seen together. 535 00:36:30.960 --> 00:36:33.179 I think Ron might actually be Gal Rob. 536 00:36:36.059 --> 00:36:37.980 Oh, okay. 537 00:36:38.039 --> 00:36:39.179 Bringing in Rob. 538 00:36:39.239 --> 00:36:40.860 So you need a new element now, don't you? 539 00:36:40.920 --> 00:36:44.219 Because things are kind of starting to resolve, so you need a complication. 540 00:36:44.280 --> 00:36:47.519 Um, Oh, I love Rob so much. 541 00:36:47.579 --> 00:36:50.400 And the scene in a 2nd where he's like, right, we're going to go. 542 00:36:50.460 --> 00:36:51.900 Oh it's just been out where we're going to go. 543 00:36:51.960 --> 00:36:52.980 We're gonna leave her to it. 544 00:36:53.039 --> 00:36:55.980 And Grillka's like, um, he's like, yeah, what do I owe? 545 00:36:56.039 --> 00:36:56.940 I don't know her anything like that. 546 00:36:57.000 --> 00:36:59.400 And Rom's agreeing with him at every single point. 547 00:36:59.460 --> 00:37:04.139 But the look on Rom's face is basically saying to Cork, you've got to stay. 548 00:37:04.199 --> 00:37:06.659 You're better than this, like help her out, you know? 549 00:37:06.719 --> 00:37:13.800 I actually think it's also being played in that way by Shimmerman too. 550 00:37:13.860 --> 00:37:15.840 So he's sneaking off. 551 00:37:15.900 --> 00:37:18.179 He hasn't learnt a valuable lesson about honour. 552 00:37:18.239 --> 00:37:22.800 He sees his life, you know, under threat, and so he's going to kind of disappear. 553 00:37:22.920 --> 00:37:28.739 But, and he's explaining it here, to Grillka, and Grillka is telling him to kind of piss off. 554 00:37:29.340 --> 00:37:36.360 But as he talks about abandoning her and, you know, what does it matter? 555 00:37:36.420 --> 00:37:40.800 It's just one woman's house falling and you can sense him trying to convince himself. 556 00:37:40.860 --> 00:37:45.360 Like he's not, he isn't just straightforwardly saying, I'm bailing here. 557 00:37:45.420 --> 00:37:48.900 He is actually realising that it matters to him. 558 00:37:48.960 --> 00:37:50.159 What happens to her? 559 00:37:50.219 --> 00:37:51.840 Did you hear that insult? 560 00:37:51.900 --> 00:37:52.559 How cutting? 561 00:37:52.619 --> 00:38:03.300 All you've got, instead of a heart, is a piece of latter, and it's a pretty small one at that. don't lean into that interpretation, but it's clearly in the script. 562 00:38:03.360 --> 00:38:05.340 You know exactly what she's saying there. 563 00:38:05.400 --> 00:38:06.360 Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. 564 00:38:10.380 --> 00:38:14.039 Yeah, so look, he's saying, all right, let's go. 565 00:38:14.099 --> 00:38:16.079 Like, he's convincing himself to go. 566 00:38:16.199 --> 00:38:25.980 And he's almost kind of goading ROM, who will say whatever, you know, he thinks Quack wants to hear, like goading ROM into making it okay for him to go. 567 00:38:27.900 --> 00:38:33.059 Like, she's trying to make us feel guilty because he obviously feels guilty. 568 00:38:33.119 --> 00:38:33.659 It's terrific. 569 00:38:33.780 --> 00:38:38.699 Max Grunging has this amazing way of looking totally dense with nuance. 570 00:38:38.760 --> 00:38:43.019 I don't know how he does it. terrific. 571 00:38:43.079 --> 00:38:49.079 Yes, that look where he just sort of gives him side eye just to check. whether he's gonna do the right thing or not. 572 00:38:49.139 --> 00:38:49.559 Come on. 573 00:38:49.619 --> 00:38:50.699 Are you really going to do this? 574 00:38:51.780 --> 00:38:54.000 Oh, dear God. 575 00:38:54.059 --> 00:39:05.579 And this is, this is my favourite scene of the whole pizza, the climax, where Quark absolutely just refuses to use the ballet and throws it aside straight away. 576 00:39:05.639 --> 00:39:14.460 And you know if you give Almond Shimmerman, a scene where he's basically going to bring down the Klingon empire and expose them. 577 00:39:14.519 --> 00:39:17.400 He's absolutely going to nail it and he does. 578 00:39:18.780 --> 00:39:19.920 There's Garon looking crazy. 579 00:39:21.719 --> 00:39:25.199 Yeah, and so we think Quark was going to bail here. 580 00:39:25.260 --> 00:39:37.380 Notice the difference in the way that he just strides into the room whereas he was kind of, you know, he looked uncomfortable in the robes, he looked like an idiot, and now he just kind of strides in, and the camera loves him. 581 00:39:37.440 --> 00:39:37.800 Look at that. 582 00:39:37.980 --> 00:39:46.980 And I think as well, like, they're trying to sell you on the idea that he's actually genuinely going to fight him, you know, which makes the moment where he throws the bat lift more impactful. 583 00:39:47.039 --> 00:39:49.980 I really like De Gore, son of whatever. 584 00:39:49.980 --> 00:39:56.579 Like, the other Klingons play it like it's the worst possible insult. 585 00:39:56.639 --> 00:40:00.539 In the last scene, we had the worst insult you could say to a Ferengi. 586 00:40:00.599 --> 00:40:02.820 Now we've got the worst insult you can say to a Klingon. 587 00:40:02.880 --> 00:40:04.619 All you need is someone to go. 588 00:40:06.360 --> 00:40:14.039 I think we throw to a reaction of some of the assembled kind of guest actors in Klingon makeup trying to look concerned. 589 00:40:14.099 --> 00:40:15.420 It's awesome. 590 00:40:15.480 --> 00:40:16.920 Yep, there he goes. 591 00:40:16.980 --> 00:40:17.579 He's thrown it. 592 00:40:17.639 --> 00:40:19.500 In fact, I'm sure they are. 593 00:40:19.500 --> 00:40:29.699 The, the, the, the, is quoted as saying that he loved the script because it allowed Quark to be heroic, but absolutely be himself. 594 00:40:29.760 --> 00:40:30.900 Yeah. 595 00:40:30.960 --> 00:40:33.000 And he doesn't get to do that very often, does he? 596 00:40:33.059 --> 00:40:42.300 Like there's there's a bit later on in series 6 where he has to be the one to help rescue them all so Rom can bring down the minefield. 597 00:40:42.360 --> 00:40:45.719 And and Rob's going to Cork, like, you know, you've got to do it. 598 00:40:45.780 --> 00:40:47.760 The fate of the whole alpha quadrant is on your shoulders. 599 00:40:47.760 --> 00:40:49.679 And he's like, well, boy, are they going to be disappointed? 600 00:40:49.739 --> 00:40:52.440 You always know he's going to come good. 601 00:40:52.500 --> 00:40:53.159 You just know. 602 00:40:53.280 --> 00:40:54.719 Yeah, yeah, of course he is. 603 00:40:54.780 --> 00:40:55.440 Of course he is. 604 00:40:55.500 --> 00:40:58.079 Because he can't lose our sympathy. 605 00:40:58.139 --> 00:41:00.659 But he, here it is. 606 00:41:00.719 --> 00:41:07.500 It's the opposite of what Riker does in a matter of honour, which is step up and start beating the crap out of them. 607 00:41:07.559 --> 00:41:10.079 Do you think there's an assumption that people have watched that? 608 00:41:10.139 --> 00:41:17.760 No, but I do think that I do think that it's a proper Ferengi way of doing it. 609 00:41:17.820 --> 00:41:24.900 He doesn't learn about Klingon culture so that he can operate on their terms. 610 00:41:24.960 --> 00:41:31.079 He learns about their culture and then is still completely himself in the way that he brings it down. 611 00:41:31.139 --> 00:41:39.900 So again, we've already established that an honourable death is different from an accidental one. 612 00:41:39.960 --> 00:41:42.780 And so that's the only option that he leaves de gore. 613 00:41:42.840 --> 00:41:45.300 It's like you don't get to kill me in battle. 614 00:41:45.360 --> 00:41:47.699 Uh, you'll just have to. 615 00:41:47.760 --> 00:41:48.659 I'm not going to fight you. 616 00:41:48.719 --> 00:41:52.199 You'll just have to murder me and obviously you won't get any honour from that. 617 00:41:52.260 --> 00:41:56.159 And so he's understood the rules of honour, but he doesn't kind of play along. 618 00:41:56.219 --> 00:41:59.460 But I think more people should do this. you know, point out. 619 00:41:59.519 --> 00:42:10.920 I think Edgerie does this in series 7 where she says the whole thing about Clinton Society is a massive facade and you basically just murder each other when you murder your way into power, you know, like more people need to say this to them. 620 00:42:10.980 --> 00:42:12.239 Have a look at this. 621 00:42:12.300 --> 00:42:19.559 So this is the discommendation scene that Warf undergoes in Star Trek the Next Generation. see them there. 622 00:42:19.619 --> 00:42:20.699 They're so bloody dramatic. 623 00:42:20.760 --> 00:42:23.099 Arms up and alternating their backs on him, you know? 624 00:42:23.159 --> 00:42:31.380 But it's this big giant moment, but instead it's done for this sort of schlubby loser comedy character who's just been defeated by Quark. 625 00:42:31.440 --> 00:42:37.500 And Gowron's line of, you know, if you can tell me, you can stand there and murder that pathetic little man. 626 00:42:37.500 --> 00:42:38.639 It's so great. 627 00:42:38.699 --> 00:42:43.679 I actually quite like how Garon kneels down so that they're at eye level as well. 628 00:42:43.739 --> 00:42:45.000 I think that's really great. 629 00:42:45.059 --> 00:42:47.340 Well, and he brings him up, doesn't he, as well? 630 00:42:47.400 --> 00:42:48.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 631 00:42:48.000 --> 00:42:49.079 Brings him up to his. 632 00:42:49.380 --> 00:42:51.539 What I really like about this. 633 00:42:51.599 --> 00:42:54.539 This is a very this is a very gentle comedy. 634 00:42:54.599 --> 00:43:00.539 There are more obvious DS9 comedy, as you go, Arman Bashir, take me out to the whole suite. things like that. 635 00:43:00.599 --> 00:43:02.519 This is all rooted in character here. 636 00:43:02.579 --> 00:43:07.079 It's not like some massive high concept comedy, is it, that they would do later on. 637 00:43:07.139 --> 00:43:08.460 Yeah, yeah. 638 00:43:08.519 --> 00:43:19.320 But it's a classic sitcom in that, you know, he tells a lie that gets out of control. he ends up in a situation that's uncongenial to him. 639 00:43:19.380 --> 00:43:21.360 He works out the rules and he gets out of it. 640 00:43:21.420 --> 00:43:26.519 And yeah, so it's a standard plot. could literally be the pilot of a sitcom, isn't it? 641 00:43:26.579 --> 00:43:31.380 There are so many sitcoms where you have the odd couple coming together and learning to navigate life. 642 00:43:31.440 --> 00:43:35.760 And we get there for one episode, but with Mira K. Adams and Arman and Shimmerman. 643 00:43:35.820 --> 00:43:36.119 How wonderful. 644 00:43:36.239 --> 00:43:38.280 Well, I think it's, I love this. 645 00:43:38.340 --> 00:43:39.119 Where she hits him. 646 00:43:39.179 --> 00:43:40.679 It's on him. 647 00:43:40.739 --> 00:43:42.179 That's it. 648 00:43:42.239 --> 00:43:43.019 That was a divorce. 649 00:43:43.079 --> 00:43:45.659 Everything's so violent in Klingon society. 650 00:43:46.019 --> 00:43:48.900 Oh, and this is the kiss. 651 00:43:48.960 --> 00:43:51.059 Like that's so great. 652 00:43:51.119 --> 00:43:54.300 And then she smiles gorgeously. 653 00:43:54.360 --> 00:43:57.659 And you see, she she held onto his bottom lip a little bit there. 654 00:43:57.719 --> 00:44:00.360 Oh, she got disentangled the teeth. 655 00:44:01.619 --> 00:44:03.659 Deep got caught. 656 00:44:03.719 --> 00:44:07.139 And then and then quite gives this, I've still got it, smile. 657 00:44:07.199 --> 00:44:08.699 Have a look at what he does here. 658 00:44:10.139 --> 00:44:12.179 Well, I mean, they revisit this, don't they? 659 00:44:12.239 --> 00:44:17.699 They revisit this in series 5. lovingly rubbing the cheek that she hit. 660 00:44:19.440 --> 00:44:24.300 Oh, and this sequence at the end between Cork and Rom. 661 00:44:24.360 --> 00:44:25.380 Oh no, we're not quite there yet. 662 00:44:25.440 --> 00:44:26.760 It's KK O'Brien first. 663 00:44:26.820 --> 00:44:29.400 Off you go to do your movies, Rosvin Chow. 664 00:44:29.460 --> 00:44:30.840 Yeah, did she do movies? 665 00:44:30.900 --> 00:44:32.099 What does she do? 666 00:44:32.159 --> 00:44:35.159 I've no idea, but she has done an awful lot. 667 00:44:35.219 --> 00:44:42.659 I've seen her turn up in like, I say bit parts, you know, 2 or 3 scenes in a lot of movies, you know, she's one, I think she's one of those actresses who's never at work. 668 00:44:42.960 --> 00:44:45.179 I think she is really great. 669 00:44:45.239 --> 00:44:53.460 It is, you know, Uh, She is frequently absent from Deep Space 9, isn't she? 670 00:44:53.519 --> 00:44:55.800 She is after this. 671 00:44:55.860 --> 00:44:58.619 She comes back to that period where Kira's pregnant. 672 00:44:58.679 --> 00:44:59.940 Oh yeah, okay. 673 00:44:59.940 --> 00:45:00.840 With her baby. 674 00:45:00.900 --> 00:45:01.920 Oh, yes, of course. 675 00:45:01.920 --> 00:45:05.940 She's around for about half a season there and then after Kira has the baby. 676 00:45:06.000 --> 00:45:09.659 I think she's in 2 episodes after that and then that's all we feel. 677 00:45:09.719 --> 00:45:10.619 She kind of disappears. 678 00:45:10.679 --> 00:45:11.219 Yeah, yeah. 679 00:45:11.579 --> 00:45:19.320 She has like a one scene moment in the last episode just to remind us all that she exists. and O'Brien has a family and all of this. 680 00:45:19.380 --> 00:45:20.519 I do like this though. 681 00:45:20.579 --> 00:45:24.840 I think and I think DS9 leans into this quite a bit of, um, this does happen, doesn't it? 682 00:45:24.900 --> 00:45:31.019 Like, like, people do go to work in other countries and things like that and but families still take, and they find a way to work around it and. 683 00:45:32.219 --> 00:45:35.940 Yeah, it's not, okay, this subplot's not going to set anyone's world on fire. 684 00:45:36.000 --> 00:45:36.840 No, no. 685 00:45:36.900 --> 00:45:38.880 And it is very sort of linear and straightforward. 686 00:45:39.000 --> 00:45:50.940 I guess the best thing is, is Julian's thing earlier on where he says you're giving her a hobby and she needs a job, to read proper purpose. 687 00:45:51.000 --> 00:45:55.440 She can't just be dicking around in a in a spare cargo bay. 688 00:45:55.500 --> 00:45:57.179 And I kind of like that. 689 00:45:57.239 --> 00:46:04.920 I, this subplot has a function and it fulfils that function and that's to get her gone so they can explore that friendship between Bashir and O'Brien. 690 00:46:04.980 --> 00:46:09.719 There are plenty of B plots that are just there to kill time, you know? 691 00:46:09.780 --> 00:46:10.320 Yeah. 692 00:46:10.320 --> 00:46:14.639 Thematically, it's got nothing to do with the main plot as well, I guess. 693 00:46:14.699 --> 00:46:20.760 But in season 3 of DS9, there are some, there are way better B plots. 694 00:46:20.820 --> 00:46:26.460 Like there's one episode where the entire B plot is Nog trying to bribe Cisco to get him into Starfleet. 695 00:46:26.460 --> 00:46:28.800 That is just gorgeous. 696 00:46:28.920 --> 00:46:29.340 Yeah. 697 00:46:29.400 --> 00:46:31.079 I love this. 698 00:46:31.139 --> 00:46:38.579 See, Rom is a terrible Ferengi, because he says, you know, there's more to life than money or something like that, which is great. 699 00:46:38.639 --> 00:46:54.780 But, you know, we circle background to the respect thing, you know, that, that, Quark was kind of revelling in the story that he'd killed the Klingon, not just because it got his customers to come back, but because it made him look cool. 700 00:46:54.780 --> 00:46:56.219 And it's the same with this. 701 00:46:56.280 --> 00:47:03.719 You know, now he's got a story where he was genuinely heroic and stood up to a scary Klingon or knelt down in front of him anyway. 702 00:47:03.840 --> 00:47:08.460 So, it's one of these things where it's sort of circulate. 703 00:47:08.519 --> 00:47:11.280 He is in the same position at the end as he was at the beginning. 704 00:47:11.340 --> 00:47:20.940 He has been kind of changed by the experience, but not that much and he's still going to be the same loveable sitcom character that he is in every episode. 705 00:47:21.360 --> 00:47:31.920 The interesting thing about these two, though, is that no matter how badly Cork treats from, and even when he says, like, I want you to tell me a story and it's like, well, fine, I'm going to take it out of your paycheque, though. 706 00:47:31.980 --> 00:47:33.059 Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right. 707 00:47:33.119 --> 00:47:34.320 From loves him. 708 00:47:34.380 --> 00:47:35.940 He just adores him. 709 00:47:36.000 --> 00:47:40.260 And that never changes around, no matter how, and court got some terrible things to him along the way. 710 00:47:40.320 --> 00:47:43.260 And that leads us that beautifully. 711 00:47:43.320 --> 00:47:46.260 I just think the 2 actors together are terrific. 712 00:47:46.320 --> 00:47:48.119 Wasn't that fun? 713 00:47:48.239 --> 00:47:49.320 That's a really fun. 714 00:47:49.380 --> 00:47:50.639 It is really good. 715 00:47:50.699 --> 00:47:54.179 And it's in exactly the right place in the season as well. 716 00:47:54.239 --> 00:48:05.219 You know, we set up the threat and we have a big two-part event and then we come back and just, you know, it's life on the station and the crazy things that can, that Deep Space 9 can do. 717 00:48:05.280 --> 00:48:06.539 I guess. 718 00:48:06.840 --> 00:48:09.719 Do you remember what the other Ferengi episode is this season? 719 00:48:10.619 --> 00:48:16.079 Uh, no, it's family business and that's in the last third. 720 00:48:16.139 --> 00:48:17.460 It's the 1st one with Ishka. 721 00:48:17.519 --> 00:48:20.579 Oh, okay. 722 00:48:20.639 --> 00:48:21.840 She's dressed as a man or something? 723 00:48:21.900 --> 00:48:22.679 Is that it? 724 00:48:22.739 --> 00:48:25.440 Yeah, and it's almost in like the same position on the other end of the season. 725 00:48:25.500 --> 00:48:26.280 Right, right. 726 00:48:26.340 --> 00:48:29.159 We kind of go a whole year without really catching up with them that much. 727 00:48:29.280 --> 00:48:34.199 I think this is a stronger episode, though, overall, I would say. 728 00:48:34.260 --> 00:48:35.400 Yeah. 729 00:48:39.719 --> 00:48:44.400 Why are you insisting that we do our Voyager episode for episode three? 730 00:48:44.460 --> 00:48:50.699 Well, I mean, we've done we've done next gen, we've done Deep Space 9. 731 00:48:50.760 --> 00:48:54.059 So the logical next step is to do Voyager. 732 00:48:54.119 --> 00:48:58.860 And I think we said in our 1st episode that kind of 90s trek is our one true love. 733 00:48:59.579 --> 00:49:03.000 So I think we do need to do Voyager. 734 00:49:03.059 --> 00:49:06.179 If we follow that pattern, you know where we're going next then, don't you? 735 00:49:06.300 --> 00:49:07.920 Discovery. 736 00:49:07.980 --> 00:49:10.139 No enterprise would be the next. 737 00:49:10.199 --> 00:49:12.300 Oh my god, I've completely forgotten about enterprise. 738 00:49:12.360 --> 00:49:13.380 Well, there's no rules. 739 00:49:13.500 --> 00:49:17.219 We'll we'll come up with a different rationale next episode, I reckon. 740 00:49:18.059 --> 00:49:22.079 I am frothing at the mouth because I love pressing this button. 741 00:49:22.139 --> 00:49:24.360 So you just tell me when to go. 742 00:49:24.420 --> 00:49:32.820 Okay, so people at home, don't forget it's untitled Star Trek Project.com slash randomiser and you can use it yourself. 743 00:49:32.880 --> 00:49:35.280 We've only got Voyager selected, right? 744 00:49:35.340 --> 00:49:36.960 Yeah, do yourself a favour. 745 00:49:37.019 --> 00:49:38.099 You want this to work out well. 746 00:49:38.159 --> 00:49:39.480 Don't just select voyager. 747 00:49:39.539 --> 00:49:39.780 Okay. 748 00:49:39.900 --> 00:49:40.199 Okay. 749 00:49:40.260 --> 00:49:40.559 Right. 750 00:49:40.619 --> 00:49:41.760 Let's, you ready for this? 751 00:49:41.820 --> 00:49:42.539 I'm ready. 752 00:49:44.340 --> 00:49:49.500 Ooh, okay, so it's selected prototype from season two. 753 00:49:49.559 --> 00:49:58.739 That's the one where Balanatorius activates a appallingly designed robot and there's a great big robot Civil War occurring. 754 00:49:58.800 --> 00:49:59.280 Remember this one? 755 00:49:59.340 --> 00:50:00.599 I actually do. 756 00:50:00.659 --> 00:50:02.280 Yeah, I do remember. 757 00:50:02.340 --> 00:50:05.340 It's directed by Jonathan Frakes, that one. 758 00:50:05.400 --> 00:50:07.199 That also could look good. 759 00:50:07.260 --> 00:50:07.980 What do you think? 760 00:50:08.039 --> 00:50:09.780 It doesn't look good. 761 00:50:09.840 --> 00:50:16.980 And Jonathan Frakes actually famously criticised the design of the robots and cut away from them as much as he could. 762 00:50:17.039 --> 00:50:18.719 I think I'm going to press the button again. 763 00:50:18.780 --> 00:50:19.619 Oh, okay. 764 00:50:20.940 --> 00:50:22.679 Oh my. 765 00:50:22.739 --> 00:50:26.099 Okay, season 6 is the Voyager conspiracy. 766 00:50:26.159 --> 00:50:27.840 Oh my god. 767 00:50:27.900 --> 00:50:29.519 Do you remember that one? 768 00:50:29.579 --> 00:50:30.960 Yeah, it's terrible. 769 00:50:31.019 --> 00:50:35.159 It's basically 7 of 9 talking non-support, Jerry Ryan. 770 00:50:35.219 --> 00:50:37.500 No wonder she preferred doing Picard. 771 00:50:37.559 --> 00:50:38.099 I telling you now. 772 00:50:38.159 --> 00:50:39.059 All right, let's press again. 773 00:50:39.119 --> 00:50:40.440 Oh, no. 774 00:50:40.500 --> 00:50:44.400 I mean, this would be a good place to start because it's a really dreadful episode. 775 00:50:44.460 --> 00:50:45.780 Is it threshold? 776 00:50:45.840 --> 00:50:48.059 and the gray from season three. 777 00:50:48.119 --> 00:50:49.860 With the cube. 778 00:50:49.860 --> 00:50:51.960 Holodeck one, Civil War. 779 00:50:52.019 --> 00:50:54.119 Yeah. no that's upsetting. 780 00:50:54.239 --> 00:50:55.440 Okay, I'll push it again. 781 00:50:55.500 --> 00:50:57.239 Oh gosh. 782 00:50:57.300 --> 00:50:59.460 I mean, I don't know how we could have got worse. 783 00:50:59.519 --> 00:51:04.019 We're now in a Harry Kim episode in series 5 called The Disease. 784 00:51:04.739 --> 00:51:06.420 Do you remember? 785 00:51:06.480 --> 00:51:13.440 That's the one where he goes up to chain where and he's like, for 5 years, I have said, yes, ma'am, and no, ma'am, to everything you say. 786 00:51:13.500 --> 00:51:14.400 Oh, it's just awful. 787 00:51:14.460 --> 00:51:15.239 Okay, let's press again. 788 00:51:15.300 --> 00:51:16.320 Okay. 789 00:51:16.380 --> 00:51:18.599 No, no, this is a good place to start, I think. 790 00:51:18.659 --> 00:51:20.639 Lineage in season 7. 791 00:51:20.639 --> 00:51:26.519 And it's the episode where Tom and Blana find out that they're having a baby. 792 00:51:26.940 --> 00:51:30.059 Oh, I think I remember this. 793 00:51:30.239 --> 00:51:33.539 It's typical, but it's extremely good. 794 00:51:33.599 --> 00:51:35.820 It's very well written and it's very well acted. 795 00:51:35.880 --> 00:51:37.019 Okay. 796 00:51:37.079 --> 00:51:37.559 All right. 797 00:51:37.619 --> 00:51:38.760 Well, I think we go with that then. 798 00:51:38.880 --> 00:51:39.539 Lineage. 799 00:51:39.599 --> 00:51:43.559 Okay, and it's one of the few moments in season 7 that is actually worth watching. 800 00:51:43.619 --> 00:51:44.940 So hurrah for us. 801 00:51:54.000 --> 00:51:58.559 You've been listening to Untitled Star Trek project with Joe Ford and Nathan Bottomley. 802 00:51:58.619 --> 00:52:05.820 You can find us online at untitledstar trekproject.com where you can find links to our Twitter, Facebook, and YouTube channel. 803 00:52:05.880 --> 00:52:10.619 Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Ciceran, and the theme was composed by Cameron Lamb. 804 00:52:10.679 --> 00:52:16.619 This episode was recorded on the 27th of September 2021 and released on the 12th of November. 805 00:52:16.679 --> 00:52:20.519 We'll see you next time for Voyages lineage.