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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So, we are back aboard the Enterprise, the Enterprise D for an episode of Star Trek, the Next Generation.

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It's season four, episode nine.

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We're in the midst of Star Trek's Imperial Phase, and this is Wesley's last regular appearance on the show.

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It's final mission.

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No, don't get rid of Wesley.

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I mean, he's just got good in this show.

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After 2 seasons of B&D. In fact, that was the thing that struck me most about this is now he is older.

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I think he is pretty good in this episode.

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And he's not really called on to do anything sort of particularly interesting, but I found myself actually really quite warming to Will and his performance in this.

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I mean, it is baffling because you go back and watch Stamp By Me, one of the very 1st roles he did, and it gives an incredible performance in that.

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So I don't know what happened in the 1st sort, 30 episodes of Star Trek, the Next Generation.

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Maybe it's the writing.

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I don't know.

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I don't know.

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Oh, Nathan, this was a bit dull though, wasn't it?

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Let's be honest.

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I mean, I think there's a great scene in this and that comes at the end when Wesley and Captain Picard talk to each other and he says about how you're going to have a great time and I'm kind of jealous.

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You're going to have a great time in the academy.

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But on the lead up for that.

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I was searching this episode for some substance and there just was none.

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None in the concept of the week, which is how do we get into this drinking fountain, none in the subplot, which is a ton of tedious technobabble, and no characterisation whatsoever, as we try and solve space problem of the week, conceptualised with, as you're going to talk about, the most Beaumarish of Beaumar, single aliens.

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We don't even see the populace.

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Do we even go to the planet?

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I don't think we do.

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We just think that one hideous person going, oh, God, things are terrible here.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So they themselves, like when when you look at what people say about this on memory alpha, people are kind of broadly positive about this, and Jerry Taylor said that she went to a great deal of effort to ensure that Picard and Wesley had a decent final scene.

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And I actually think that that final scene is the only character scene there and is really cheesy.

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Do you know what I mean?

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Like it's really, really, ripe and obvious.

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And that's really why we're here, is for that scene.

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Do you know what I mean?

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And they were really conscious that they'd done a bad job of writing Tasha out, but I have to say, and I don't think you could have done this with Wesley or anything like that.

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But I have to say that what they did with Tasha was bad in all sorts of ways, and they have to repair it later.

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But I think that taken as a whole, you know, when you think about its effect on the show generally, that that was good and interesting and challenging, you kill a major character, you kill a midway through the episode, you know, it's shocking and memorable.

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We've never forgotten it, and the show never forgets it.

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This is utterly unmemorable, I think.

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And the dialogue is not that great.

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Like, it's okay.

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It's functional, but it is very 90s TV. and not very interesting and not very, you know, it doesn't do a great job of revealing character.

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And I think it's telling that the only thing that the 2 of them can reminisce about is the shuttle trip in Samaritan... one episode where they had some time to get up. exactly right.

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But that's why I came out of this thinking, right?

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Do you remember when we watched the Visitor?

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Yeah.

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And that's a father and son?

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And that's what they're going for here, right?

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A father and son dynamic.

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That's a father and son where he thinks he's going to lose his father and you're devastated throughout the entire thing because the show has just done 3 entire seasons of legwork of selling that relationship and chemistry and you absolutely adore them.

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So when they remove Cisco from Jake's life, it's so heartbreaking.

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They've done no lead work here at all to make that moment count.

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And that's not what the show is aiming to do.

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It's not like it's trying to be Deep Space 9 and failing.

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It's not even attempting to do that.

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Why are you trying to up the payoff then?

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I think that they do want it to land, but I want you to compare it to an episode that we've already done, which is the 1st duty, which is an episode also about disappointing Picard and the relationship between Wesley and Picard, and which actually properly lands and is much, much more interesting than this.

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It's worth remembering, Nathan, as well, that next year we'll have the game where he'll be back and that'll be great. which is also awesome.

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So, like, I think this is trying to be really earnest and kind of failing.

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I think the garbage scow is a bad sumplot because there's no adversary and that terrible alien.

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But I do have to say one thing in its defence, which is that I didn't hate it.

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And part of the reason for that is that at least at the time, I'm tuning in to see people who live and work on a spaceship, do their jobs.

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And so even, well, because that's kind of that was part of the appeal for me.

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And I think it is part of the appeal of Star Trek.

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Do you know what I mean?

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It is a procedure.

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I watching the wrong show then.

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Yeah, maybe, but it has...

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It's not where Star Trek lands, though, is it?

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No, but because of the way it's set up, even by season four, the relationships between the characters isn't very well defined, there's a really embarrassingly bad scene here between Beverly and Deanna, who are friends, why are they not friends after all this time?

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But it's awkward and kind of wooden and embarrassing.

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It's like, oh, wait.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah.

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Can you emote, please?

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Come on now.

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But, you know, like I didn't hate what they were doing.

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I was there kind of going, can't you just fling it into the sun and the momentum, but I guess there's an asteroid belt or whatever.

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I mean none of that's particularly interesting.

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And if you think about what that plot is for.

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That plot does the same job as like having some guy on the bridge who says we have to go now and deliver the vaccine or whatever.

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Do you know what I mean?

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Like, it's that sort of, it's why aren't we going to rescue them immediately?

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We need to keep them occupied so they don't go and solve the problem immediately.

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And there are other ways of doing that that involve conflict or involve a character or involve something.

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But this is all sort of space hardware and things.

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And I think it's so functional.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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And this was a script where the entire subplot was just insert technobabble here.

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Like, 50% of that subplot is just people talking the technical manuals.

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And you know, I just, I just, but like DS9 would do a procedural and it would be packed full of, times orphan, a dismal episode of DS9, was packed in every single scene full of character moments that were charming and funny and we could engage with, right?

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And it's in every way a worse premise than this.

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But it was a much more enjoyable watch.

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Voyager will do a procedure. and boy, they copied TNG, left right and centre.

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There's always a character line in a Voyager episode.

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Generally it's bad characterisation.

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But, like, like, it's always there.

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And then you skip to, oh, enterprise. were they doing procedurals there?

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I mean, I don't think they were doing much of anything. were they?

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But then you go to Curseman and it's all character.

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Like there's obviously, but the character is the focus and a lot of the time the plot comes 2nd and I love that approach, right?

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Like, it's the people that you really care about.

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So this is really the only show, I think.

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Because even TOS had far, it was far more introspective than TNG is.

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Yeah, it was generally quite badly written.

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But, you know what I mean?

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They had like that core 3 characters and they would always be doing something interesting within the problems that they're solving.

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I just can't think of another show that would deliver me scene after scene of people at consoles, talking science, where there's just nothing to get hold of beyond, I'm doing my function.

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Well done, you know, how gripping.

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I mean, there are whole, there's a whole genre of TV shows, though, like hospital shows and police shows and stuff like that. that are procedurals, that are, we just watch people do their job, detective shows, all of that.

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And so this is in that tradition. people.

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Yeah, exactly.

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Exactly people.

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They're just cardboard cars.

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Yes, that's right.

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Part of the problem is everyone is so incredibly wooden.

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You know, like I think Jonathan Frakes acquits himself quite well in this, like he's holding up that plot and he's always kind of interesting to watch, but not because he's given interesting character things to do, but because he's kind of charming and likeable and all of that.

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Yeah, so for me, like, I didn't hate this, but I have never really raised it particularly highly, and I think I was right not to, because it doesn't have a very clear hook, and it's the one where Wesley leaves, but that doesn't happen till the end, and what do we learn about Wesley?

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I guess it's trying to show us things about how Wesley has to stand up or do something.

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And we'll talk about that, how they punt that.

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That's not actually what happens.

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It looks like they're setting it up, but they don't pay it off.

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And so like none of it really sort of properly works or coheres.

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So I didn't feel bored.

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I wasn't insulted.

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I didn't feel like I'd wasted my time, but it isn't a particularly memorable or particularly good episode, I think.

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I'd rather hate Star Trek than feel how I felt watching this, which was just utter ambivalence, just nothing at all.

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I was just like, this is cardboard telly featuring nobody's.

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You know, they've spent money on this and I'm not sure why.

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A lot of money.

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The more we watch, to be fair.

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Oh, last week episode, I had about 150000000 times.

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It's been on it, it's only 8 minutes long.

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A lot more jokes than imagination too.

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Yeah, the more we are exploring TNG, and people won't, I don't got to like this, but I don't care because this is my reaction to TNG.

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I want to go to this podcast. is that if it's not doing concept episode, yeah, or it's not relaxing a little bit and having some fun, this is such a tedious show to watch for me.

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Like, I just couldn't care less about the space procedural stuff.

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And so, so I do struggle.

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I think I struggle with TNG more than all the other shows, which does make me out of kilter with the rest of Star Trek fandom, because this is the one that everyone fucking loves.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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But I remember at the time watching it and thinking this was so superior to original Trek.

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And the reason I thought that was that there was a level of consistency and competence, that original trek doesn't always hit, but it's so less adventurous.

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It's so much more timid.

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And maybe that's unfair because it does do high concept episodes that are really memorable and really successful and it kind of stakes out.

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Yeah, yeah, this is season four, you know.

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But yes, this week is not one of those.

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If everybody who's currently complaining about the current output of 10 episodes of Star Trek is what we don't make anymore, and thank God for that.

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Yeah, that's right.

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We just don't make final mission because we've only got a 10 episode order.

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Should we do that really boring functional one?

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No, let's not do that.

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I'll tell you what, let's have everyone turn into puppets.

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That's great.

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I can't wait till we watch that one.

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Oh, God, I'm failing it's going to be dreadful, but I can't wait.

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The musical was good.

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We'll see.

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Oh, it's blind.

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All right.

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Can't we watch that again instead of this?

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All right.

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I will count it in.

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Five, four, three, two, one, and we're off.

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Oh, we go.

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That opening shot.

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I would love someone to count how many times in TNG that's the opening shot.

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Did you see that over that planet?

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Pentarus 5.

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So, on this planet, we have Pentaris 5, but we end up on a small moon of Pentaris... 3, which I think is called Lambda Paz or Paz Lambda.

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I'm not sure which.

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And then the garbage scam is affecting a planet called Gamelon 5, which I thought was kind of Indonesian percussion ensemble, but isn't, apparently.

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You sure, J.

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Michael, trust me, this cute, Wilson.

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Gablon 5, did you say?

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Gamelon farm?

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Okay.

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Can we ask Mr. Mop, please, to Jettison all of the gel on the Enterprise because he's...

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It's literally 1990 right?

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as we speak.

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This is all.

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Ah, now listen.

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Hang on. hang on a minute.

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In the future, right?

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I mean, we still haven't quite made up the rules about the academy because in season one, it was you had to do great tests and there was only space for one person out of all the people doing the tests, right?

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And Wesley clearly hasn't been very successful for the last 3 years.

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Finally, it's got a spot of the academy.

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By the time we get to DS9, any fucker can join, as long as you've got a letter, as long as you've got a letter from the commander saying, right, he's great, you know?

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Yeah, yeah.

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I think it was more important a thing, wasn't it?

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Because one of our characters, that was his always his final destination was Starfleet Academy.

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And so we had a couple of episodes about it.

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Now we know how many hot people there are, Starfleet Academy.

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Oh, boy.

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Oh no.

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Okay.

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Yes, your face suggests distaste.

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So how do these people eat for a start?

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How do they eat?

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Like, well, no, they just put the food in between the 2 fronds that connect their lips.

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But they're literally connected like the top and bottomly.

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So, like, I don't know what Michael Westmore thinks he's doing here.

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And I don't know what this poor woman thought when she saw her...

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It's a job I'm being paid, right?

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That's right.

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Can you do my hair nicely at least?

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Oh, right.

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I will try.

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No, we can't.

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It's going to be lopsided.

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You see the sort of crustaceans around her mouth there, those sort of blue crustaceans.

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I think you know where I'm going.

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Ah, do you think?

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I once had an STD, right?

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Well, I mean, they bring it back bad memories.

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Well, it didn't gloom my lips together, but...

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So yeah, like that's that breaks the Beaumar scale as far as I'm concerned, that alien, that's terrible.

216
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Well, she ain't got a coat hanger around her.

217
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I kind of wish she did, really, is the...

218
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Do you think she's like a 9.99999?

219
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It's like transwarp scale.

220
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Or is it so bad?

221
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it's a 10.one?

222
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Yeah, it could be.

223
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And you and me are about to turn into a pair of lizards.

224
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Exactly.

225
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So this is Nick Tate. from Space 1999, uh, and then later from Honour Among Thieves, um, in Deep Space 9.

226
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And he's an Australian.

227
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In order amongst thieves, they give him an actual character to play.

228
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Do they?

229
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It's fascinating.

230
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He gets a backstory.

231
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He has a relationship with O'Brien.

232
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He has a lovely cat that O'Brien keeps at the end.

233
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He's the head of a crime gang.

234
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He part of a Dominion plot.

235
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I mean, there's some substance to the man.

236
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Can you please tell me some things about Nick Tate's character in this?

237
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He is grumpy and headstrong.

238
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He doesn't like taking orders.

239
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He's fiercely independent, and he's a bit of an alcoholic.

240
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Like, I do think that this is this is a functional character, but it is, you know, like the alcohol thing just shitted me because it just gives us a chance to see how upright and virtuous Picard and Wesley R, which is a super boring and kind of terrible thing for us to have to think about.

241
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Mariner would be like, give that ear.

242
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Yeah, yeah, exactly.

243
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Swing it straight from the bottle.

244
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That's it.

245
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Who's this lovely lady there at the con?

246
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So this is her name?

247
00:17:06.779 --> 00:17:13.140
Alan B. I don't know how many episodes she does, and I'm going to see if I can find out.

248
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She might just give her a backstory.

249
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Did you?

250
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Like, you're out there, the other lady.

251
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Is she your essay?

252
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is just in this episode.

253
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Oh, okay.

254
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What was the name of that woman?

255
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Maggie.

256
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Alanby.

257
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No, no, no.

258
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The one you wrote the essay about, you know, the lovely lady.

259
00:17:28.619 --> 00:17:29.039
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

260
00:17:29.099 --> 00:17:29.640
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

261
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Gladys Knight.

262
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Ensign McKnight Ensign.

263
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I think you should write a whole anthology.

264
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Just about.

265
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Just give her backstories to all of them.

266
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That Latina woman with the striking eyebrows.

267
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That fella from season one, what was his name?

268
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He always gave his full name when he was in the engine room.

269
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With the 3 names.

270
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Oh my god.

271
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His family, they just wanted rid of him.

272
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He was like, no, I'll be away on the enterprise for 2 years.

273
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Good.

274
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Off you go.

275
00:17:59.039 --> 00:18:00.599
No, it's an ongoing mission.

276
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I'm going to be gone for a long time.

277
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Five years at least.

278
00:18:04.440 --> 00:18:05.400
I signed you up.

279
00:18:05.460 --> 00:18:06.240
What you talking about?

280
00:18:07.799 --> 00:18:09.480
So one of the things too.

281
00:18:10.680 --> 00:18:32.579
In this, I actually think the garbage scale looks pretty impressive, but you have to think that in the original it would have just been the ship that we used last week, only we painted it a different colour and maybe distressed it a bit or whatever, you know, there's about 5 ships that they keep recycling as the special guest ship for the episode.

282
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So, like the, the, the, the opticals, do you know what I mean?

283
00:18:37.980 --> 00:18:41.339
Like the space things, they're okay.

284
00:18:41.400 --> 00:18:46.980
No, no, and certainly the location work, although we very quickly get to the cave, don't we?

285
00:18:47.700 --> 00:18:51.480
Like we're on location for about 3 minutes, but it's a good 3 minutes.

286
00:18:51.900 --> 00:19:01.920
So it's 2 days of um, uh, of location shooting uh, on the El Mirage dry lake bed in San Bernardino County.

287
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It's not Planet Hell. you know, where they always go and shoot DSI and everyone's latex melts.

288
00:19:07.259 --> 00:19:11.160
No, it's literally, it's literally like a lake bed.

289
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They obviously grade it.

290
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Do you know what I mean?

291
00:19:12.960 --> 00:19:14.339
Or shoot it through a filter or do something.

292
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That looks fabulous.

293
00:19:15.839 --> 00:19:31.740
And that is, I think, perhaps the most memorable thing about it is those images of Picard and Wesley with the black, you know, the black cloth around their head, walking on that bed.

294
00:19:31.799 --> 00:19:33.779
It looks like an alien planet for once.

295
00:19:34.140 --> 00:19:45.180
I have to think that the people who are doing the 1st scene of Star Trek discovery are remembering that and trying to recreate it.

296
00:19:45.240 --> 00:19:52.740
Do you remember you've got Burnham and Giorgio on that planet on another desert planet that looks like that, you know?

297
00:19:52.980 --> 00:19:56.880
So I think that's maybe the best thing about it, visually stunning than this.

298
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But yes, absolutely.

299
00:19:58.319 --> 00:19:59.160
Oh yeah, no, of course.

300
00:19:59.220 --> 00:20:00.839
But it is, you know, 30 years later.

301
00:20:00.900 --> 00:20:01.259
Oh, no.

302
00:20:01.319 --> 00:20:04.619
Did you say, look, someone's working so hard on the gimbal of the shuttle?

303
00:20:04.799 --> 00:20:06.359
The door opened again.

304
00:20:06.420 --> 00:20:09.900
Look, Wesley keeps shutting...

305
00:20:11.460 --> 00:20:12.839
Will shut the...

306
00:20:12.900 --> 00:20:16.079
Oh, yeah, it's exactly the technicians in short.

307
00:20:16.140 --> 00:20:16.680
Come on.

308
00:20:18.000 --> 00:20:18.720
Bless them.

309
00:20:18.779 --> 00:20:22.440
I mean, and did you see Patrick Stewart's hero pose as he opened the door?

310
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Do you need me?

311
00:20:28.140 --> 00:20:29.700
You old ham, honestly.

312
00:20:31.440 --> 00:20:32.160
Oh, okay.

313
00:20:32.220 --> 00:20:33.720
So the shuttle's going to crash.

314
00:20:33.779 --> 00:20:35.460
Well, that's a new look for Star Trek, isn't it?

315
00:20:35.579 --> 00:20:38.460
Well, it kind of is a bit.

316
00:20:38.519 --> 00:20:39.960
It's not Voyager ride.

317
00:20:40.019 --> 00:20:41.640
It's not a shuttle crash every week.

318
00:20:41.759 --> 00:20:43.319
They don't happen all that hard.

319
00:20:44.039 --> 00:20:44.819
Skin of evil?

320
00:20:45.119 --> 00:20:48.599
Yeah, yeah, there's that. it's not a thing that happens all the time.

321
00:20:49.500 --> 00:20:52.440
If only Armus was in this to liven it up a bit.

322
00:20:52.740 --> 00:20:54.059
I love the gimbal thing.

323
00:20:54.119 --> 00:20:55.259
It's one of my favourite things.

324
00:20:55.319 --> 00:20:57.180
It's so great.

325
00:20:57.480 --> 00:20:58.980
They've just given up on the door now.

326
00:20:59.039 --> 00:20:59.759
It's just open.

327
00:21:00.000 --> 00:21:00.720
Yeah, that's right.

328
00:21:00.720 --> 00:21:01.200
Just leave it.

329
00:21:01.680 --> 00:21:03.240
We're just going to continue with the shoot.

330
00:21:04.319 --> 00:21:06.059
But at no point, Nathan.

331
00:21:06.119 --> 00:21:09.960
You go forward later in Star Trek and it slide doors all the time.

332
00:21:10.140 --> 00:21:12.839
You don't have doors opening and closing like regular doors like that.

333
00:21:13.200 --> 00:21:17.400
Do you remember the hilarious doors in the 1st duty?

334
00:21:18.480 --> 00:21:19.440
No, what was that?

335
00:21:20.759 --> 00:21:23.819
So it was a door that couldn't afford a sliding door.

336
00:21:23.880 --> 00:21:29.160
So in the quarters, they would open the door, but they would put a little noise.

337
00:21:29.339 --> 00:21:31.140
Oh, it's still a space job.

338
00:21:31.619 --> 00:21:32.819
Oh, that shot.

339
00:21:33.119 --> 00:21:33.779
That shot.

340
00:21:34.380 --> 00:21:36.119
Yeah, that is very impressive.

341
00:21:36.180 --> 00:21:37.079
I do love Picardo.

342
00:21:37.079 --> 00:21:38.099
The lens flare.

343
00:21:38.099 --> 00:21:43.559
Emerging out of just the bottom of the screen because I don't want to show you the shuttlecrow.

344
00:21:45.420 --> 00:21:47.220
Oh, we see the whole prop on location.

345
00:21:47.279 --> 00:21:49.619
Like, they bring that whole shuttle on, like,ation.

346
00:21:49.680 --> 00:21:51.539
Why do we wait so long to pull back from it?

347
00:21:51.599 --> 00:21:51.960
Here we go.

348
00:21:52.200 --> 00:21:53.940
Like, it takes so that we get the sun.

349
00:21:54.359 --> 00:21:57.359
I think that's so we get him in the sun, which I think looks great.

350
00:21:57.720 --> 00:22:00.359
That's really impressive. a really good shot.

351
00:22:00.839 --> 00:22:03.900
You look at that smoky and it's got holes in it.

352
00:22:04.680 --> 00:22:05.460
Yeah, very nice.

353
00:22:05.579 --> 00:22:06.539
No, I think that's great.

354
00:22:06.599 --> 00:22:07.200
There we go.

355
00:22:07.259 --> 00:22:08.220
We can say nice things.

356
00:22:08.640 --> 00:22:09.420
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

357
00:22:09.960 --> 00:22:11.940
That's Nick Tate just sat on the top there.

358
00:22:12.000 --> 00:22:12.599
Oh lovely.

359
00:22:13.380 --> 00:22:15.900
I have to think that that's the thing that people remember.

360
00:22:16.140 --> 00:22:18.480
More than anything else is is that.

361
00:22:19.019 --> 00:22:22.259
And it tarts up so beautifully in HD as well, doesn't it?

362
00:22:22.680 --> 00:22:24.480
Yeah, 0 yeah, absolutely it does.

363
00:22:25.440 --> 00:22:27.359
It's worth remembering back in series two.

364
00:22:27.420 --> 00:22:30.119
We only went on location for one scene, didn't we?

365
00:22:30.180 --> 00:22:33.299
So it's quite nice in series four.

366
00:22:33.660 --> 00:22:34.079
Yeah.

367
00:22:35.759 --> 00:22:36.660
Here we go now.

368
00:22:36.900 --> 00:22:38.700
So, do we have any supplies?

369
00:22:39.539 --> 00:22:39.960
No.

370
00:22:40.980 --> 00:22:43.559
No water, just alcohol, but we don't know that yet.

371
00:22:44.279 --> 00:22:45.359
No, that's right.

372
00:22:45.779 --> 00:22:49.079
Yeah, we just have alcohol, which is terribly boring.

373
00:22:49.440 --> 00:22:54.599
Did someone bother to do the sort of Savannah music, you know, the sort of whistling flute or what?

374
00:22:54.599 --> 00:22:55.559
No, they're normally doing it.

375
00:22:55.619 --> 00:22:56.220
They should have done.

376
00:22:57.000 --> 00:23:00.900
So this is, um, this is, uh, not uh, J.

377
00:23:00.900 --> 00:23:02.519
Chataway, it's Ron Jones.

378
00:23:02.819 --> 00:23:04.559
And I think the music is actually pretty good.

379
00:23:04.859 --> 00:23:11.279
Well, I mean, I did message you at one point because during this tedious subplot on the Enterprise.

380
00:23:11.700 --> 00:23:15.359
He was doing some welly to give it some drama.

381
00:23:15.779 --> 00:23:18.240
And I was like, Ron, I appreciate the effort.

382
00:23:19.319 --> 00:23:20.039
But come on.

383
00:23:22.440 --> 00:23:40.019
Do you know, one thing that I like actually is the way that Picard treats Durgo, the way that he talks to him in a respectful way, and you've got Wesley kind of going, oh, you're not as good as Picard, and he's got a whole starship and blah, blah, blah. you just think, yeah, shut up.

384
00:23:40.200 --> 00:23:47.519
But Picard is, you know, even when he's being a dick, like Picard defers to him from talking.

385
00:23:47.579 --> 00:23:48.599
Jesus Christ.

386
00:23:48.839 --> 00:23:51.900
Does Gates McFatter not know she's in shot in these scenes?

387
00:23:51.960 --> 00:23:54.180
I mean, she couldn't look more bored in the background.

388
00:23:55.440 --> 00:23:57.420
She is out of focus to be fair.

389
00:23:57.480 --> 00:23:58.200
Oh, sorry.

390
00:23:58.259 --> 00:24:01.079
She's read the script. that's why Oh here she comes now.

391
00:24:02.819 --> 00:24:05.220
Why is she gonna contribute to this scene?

392
00:24:06.779 --> 00:24:15.420
Do you know, one convention that I really like is that when you're looking at the, have we said this before, this is how bored I am.

393
00:24:15.720 --> 00:24:19.440
When we're looking side on at the view screen.

394
00:24:20.220 --> 00:24:36.420
What we don't see is the image of the person, like as if they're on the viewscreen, we see it as if they're on the other side of a window, so we actually saw the side of her face as if the viewscreen was showing a three-dimensional image, and I think that's a good choice.

395
00:24:36.480 --> 00:24:39.480
But again, perhaps not a very interesting thing to remark about.

396
00:24:39.660 --> 00:24:41.519
Oh, good choice when she looks like that, though.

397
00:24:42.059 --> 00:24:42.779
No, I know.

398
00:24:42.779 --> 00:24:44.160
You are right about that.

399
00:24:44.160 --> 00:24:45.059
Hang on, isn't it?

400
00:24:45.119 --> 00:24:46.140
Is she in it again?

401
00:24:46.200 --> 00:24:47.460
They make the hair so busy.

402
00:24:47.519 --> 00:24:51.240
So it sort of takes you away from the crusty lips and the sort of stuck...

403
00:24:51.299 --> 00:24:51.960
No, but it doesn't.

404
00:24:52.680 --> 00:24:55.740
It all just everything makes the other thing worse.

405
00:24:56.940 --> 00:24:57.839
It's really bad.

406
00:24:58.500 --> 00:24:59.880
I mean, no one.

407
00:25:00.000 --> 00:25:03.119
I'll be honest, Nathan, everyone looks a bit bored in this scene.

408
00:25:03.240 --> 00:25:07.619
Even Jonathan Franks doesn't look especially excited to be part of this plot.

409
00:25:08.160 --> 00:25:10.559
But do you know who always sells it?

410
00:25:10.859 --> 00:25:11.279
Who?

411
00:25:11.279 --> 00:25:12.119
is Levant?

412
00:25:12.180 --> 00:25:12.779
Oh, I know.

413
00:25:13.799 --> 00:25:17.819
He starts shouting, take the babble later, and it's worse than Bilana and Harry work.

414
00:25:18.119 --> 00:25:19.140
Do you remember in Twister?

415
00:25:19.559 --> 00:25:20.700
They were just screaming at me.

416
00:25:20.819 --> 00:25:21.660
It's a bit like that.

417
00:25:22.559 --> 00:25:29.700
Oh, no, but I think I think that no one holds a candle to LaVarre when it comes to shouting Techno, I believe every single word of it.

418
00:25:29.759 --> 00:25:31.079
He's a past master.

419
00:25:31.920 --> 00:25:34.619
I mean, I know this is great, but that does look hot, doesn't it?

420
00:25:35.160 --> 00:25:36.900
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

421
00:25:37.440 --> 00:25:43.740
And I think people, like, you have to do kind of dehydration acting as well.

422
00:25:43.920 --> 00:25:48.420
You know, the way that you're using your lips and your mouth and stuff like that.

423
00:25:48.480 --> 00:25:49.559
Like they all sell it.

424
00:25:49.859 --> 00:26:00.599
You know how sometimes you see a character in Star Trek and they've been punched in the mouth and they've got a big bruise, but it isn't actually impeding them anyway, and they're not kind of trying to avoid moving it or anything like that.

425
00:26:00.900 --> 00:26:01.559
Frequently.

426
00:26:01.619 --> 00:26:01.980
Yes.

427
00:26:01.980 --> 00:26:02.940
Yeah, yeah.

428
00:26:03.000 --> 00:26:03.599
Burns.

429
00:26:03.599 --> 00:26:04.079
Right.

430
00:26:04.140 --> 00:26:04.980
Lacerations.

431
00:26:05.519 --> 00:26:06.359
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

432
00:26:06.839 --> 00:26:07.559
All of them.

433
00:26:07.680 --> 00:26:10.859
I mean, I do like their headgear, though, to protect them from the sun.

434
00:26:10.920 --> 00:26:11.640
Yeah, I do too.

435
00:26:11.880 --> 00:26:12.660
It looks really good.

436
00:26:13.619 --> 00:26:14.819
Florence and Arabiafield.

437
00:26:15.000 --> 00:26:15.720
They're dirty.

438
00:26:15.779 --> 00:26:16.319
You look at them.

439
00:26:16.380 --> 00:26:17.579
They've got dirty uniforms.

440
00:26:17.640 --> 00:26:20.460
So it does feel like they have just experienced a crush.

441
00:26:20.519 --> 00:26:21.119
You're right.

442
00:26:21.180 --> 00:26:22.440
This stuff is all okay.

443
00:26:22.500 --> 00:26:24.599
I mean, there's still no great characterisation going on here.

444
00:26:24.839 --> 00:26:25.559
No, no, no.

445
00:26:25.680 --> 00:26:27.180
It's quite pleasant to look at.

446
00:26:28.559 --> 00:26:29.160
Yeah, yeah.

447
00:26:29.220 --> 00:26:32.220
I think I think I think that's the best thing about it. think.

448
00:26:32.579 --> 00:26:38.039
I was just really in trouble by the time we got to the fountain and I was like, that can't be the central premise.

449
00:26:38.579 --> 00:26:39.720
How do we get into that?

450
00:26:41.519 --> 00:26:42.240
But what is it?

451
00:26:42.299 --> 00:26:44.220
It's like a Dungeons and Dragons room.

452
00:26:44.279 --> 00:26:45.180
Do you know what I mean?

453
00:26:45.240 --> 00:26:51.539
Like, it's a special trap room where, like, I'm glad we don't find out what caused it or why it's there.

454
00:26:52.200 --> 00:26:55.920
I mean, do you remember when we went to the desert planet in shadows and symbols?

455
00:26:56.640 --> 00:26:58.200
And there was 2 other plots.

456
00:26:58.500 --> 00:27:04.079
Wharf blowing up an entire shipyard and Kira doing a blockade in front of Romulan ships.

457
00:27:04.079 --> 00:27:08.880
I'm worried about the arrow because it isn't actually pointing in the direction that they're going.

458
00:27:09.839 --> 00:27:12.660
No, they're coming in the other direction.

459
00:27:12.839 --> 00:27:13.740
Nice, come back.

460
00:27:15.779 --> 00:27:16.380
Oh, well.

461
00:27:17.460 --> 00:27:18.000
Never mind.

462
00:27:18.000 --> 00:27:19.019
They still get found.

463
00:27:19.440 --> 00:27:21.000
There are still somehow...

464
00:27:21.059 --> 00:27:25.559
It is refreshing, though, that we're not in somewhere that looks like Southern California for once, isn't it?

465
00:27:26.160 --> 00:27:26.819
Yeah, yeah.

466
00:27:26.880 --> 00:27:30.539
It is Southern California, obviously, but yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

467
00:27:30.660 --> 00:27:33.480
They just found a nice, a nice, dusty plane, though.

468
00:27:33.960 --> 00:27:35.400
It's just east of LA.

469
00:27:36.240 --> 00:27:37.440
What's the music doing now?

470
00:27:37.500 --> 00:27:38.099
I can't remember.

471
00:27:38.940 --> 00:27:40.440
No, I can't remember either.

472
00:27:40.500 --> 00:27:43.740
But this, you know, and you were worried about how tough the captain is.

473
00:27:43.799 --> 00:27:45.299
It's just like, shut up, Wesley.

474
00:27:45.359 --> 00:27:46.619
This is why no one likes you.

475
00:27:46.799 --> 00:27:47.279
I know.

476
00:27:47.700 --> 00:27:51.180
O'Brien for licking butt with a senior officer, isn't he?

477
00:27:51.299 --> 00:27:53.400
Yeah, yeah, that is an O'Brien thing, isn't it?

478
00:27:53.579 --> 00:27:54.420
Oh here we go.

479
00:27:55.920 --> 00:27:56.700
Oh, there you go.

480
00:27:57.000 --> 00:27:57.779
What's your finite?

481
00:27:57.960 --> 00:27:58.319
Vodka.

482
00:27:59.460 --> 00:28:01.259
It's Dresky.

483
00:28:02.039 --> 00:28:02.940
They have it on his planet.

484
00:28:03.480 --> 00:28:04.019
I think so.

485
00:28:04.079 --> 00:28:05.460
Okay, like alien whiskey, yeah.

486
00:28:06.180 --> 00:28:08.759
Yeah, they missed a beat, didn't they?

487
00:28:08.819 --> 00:28:10.740
It should have been Tronya.

488
00:28:10.859 --> 00:28:20.400
It's so rare that you've got... a planet landscape where they can actually walk off into the distance because normally we're in that set where you'd hit the wall.

489
00:28:23.220 --> 00:28:27.059
I mean, it's just compare that to the season one planet sets.

490
00:28:27.119 --> 00:28:29.279
I mean, they're light and day, aren't they?

491
00:28:30.000 --> 00:28:30.359
Yeah.

492
00:28:30.960 --> 00:28:32.279
Yeah, I think it looks great.

493
00:28:32.519 --> 00:28:33.359
That looks really good.

494
00:28:33.900 --> 00:28:36.779
I think are they lit, yellow, is their actual lighting here too?

495
00:28:36.839 --> 00:28:38.160
I don't know. just looks really good.

496
00:28:38.880 --> 00:28:44.099
But like, why isn't the Wesley Picard stuff threaded through this entire episode?

497
00:28:44.819 --> 00:28:58.859
Why are we not seeing that Wesley, the Picard's finding it hard to let Wesley go, why aren't we seeing that Wesley sort of looks up to Picard as a father figure rather than just a wonderful captain?

498
00:28:58.920 --> 00:29:02.220
I don't know why do we have to have that in a scene at the end?

499
00:29:02.700 --> 00:29:04.079
In a curseman trick episode.

500
00:29:04.140 --> 00:29:06.599
This would be the whole episode, you know?

501
00:29:07.200 --> 00:29:08.400
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

502
00:29:09.059 --> 00:29:14.099
You can't just punch me in the face with a bit of emotion at the end with no build-up to it.

503
00:29:15.000 --> 00:29:15.539
Yeah, yeah.

504
00:29:15.599 --> 00:29:19.380
And like, I don't think I don't think that sort of properly lands, does it?

505
00:29:19.440 --> 00:29:29.220
Because, I mean, the idea is, of course, that Picard is incapacitated and Wesley has to stand up and who he has to stand up to is Durgo, right?

506
00:29:29.579 --> 00:29:32.160
And that's the speech that Picard has to him.

507
00:29:32.220 --> 00:29:43.799
He says he tells him what Durgo's like and how Durgo won't want to, he'll be impatient and he won't want to obey orders and you have to rein him in and that doesn't happen.

508
00:29:43.920 --> 00:29:45.720
He doesn't actually do that.

509
00:29:46.380 --> 00:29:51.180
And so, and meanwhile, back in stop cave set number one.

510
00:29:51.779 --> 00:29:54.720
All of the beasts are so basic. aren't they?

511
00:29:55.079 --> 00:29:57.359
But there's no surprises in any of it.

512
00:29:58.380 --> 00:29:58.799
No.

513
00:29:58.799 --> 00:30:02.460
I don't think their characters have the capacity to surprise.

514
00:30:02.519 --> 00:30:03.299
That's the problem.

515
00:30:04.619 --> 00:30:05.819
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

516
00:30:05.880 --> 00:30:12.779
But and again, these are 2 people that have only ever had it one big conversation together it 2 years ago.

517
00:30:13.500 --> 00:30:17.700
Do you remember when, oh, you know, I do these comparisons, but what else is that to talk about in this?

518
00:30:17.759 --> 00:30:19.740
They're in stockcage set number 52 now.

519
00:30:20.519 --> 00:30:21.119
Number one.

520
00:30:21.359 --> 00:30:30.660
When, um, uh, Kira is tending to Cisco in Starship Down when, and that's her God, for God's sakes.

521
00:30:30.720 --> 00:30:35.160
And it has real sauce because they've struggled with that relationship for years and years.

522
00:30:35.279 --> 00:30:37.859
Again, it's just like you have to do the legwork with this stuff.

523
00:30:38.640 --> 00:30:39.059
Yeah.

524
00:30:39.059 --> 00:30:42.359
No, and again, but it's not what they're attempting to do.

525
00:30:42.420 --> 00:30:43.440
Do you know what I mean?

526
00:30:43.500 --> 00:30:49.920
They are kind of under the impression that the ability to resolve these kind of plots is what's interesting.

527
00:30:50.400 --> 00:30:55.440
Do you prefer the sort of, because I do like the chemistry between the 2 actors in that last thing?

528
00:30:55.500 --> 00:31:02.519
You're right, the writing is beyond basic, but they're warm with each other and they're tactile and that I really like.

529
00:31:02.759 --> 00:31:03.960
I mean, I did too.

530
00:31:04.019 --> 00:31:05.759
As I pay off, I do prefer that.

531
00:31:05.759 --> 00:31:10.619
So that ghastly funeral scene with hologramatic tashing.

532
00:31:10.680 --> 00:31:11.400
No, it's terrible.

533
00:31:13.259 --> 00:31:14.099
Shockingly bad.

534
00:31:14.160 --> 00:31:15.180
Oh, wharf.

535
00:31:15.359 --> 00:31:18.359
She goes, you know, like just terrible.

536
00:31:19.500 --> 00:31:20.460
But no, that's it.

537
00:31:20.519 --> 00:31:23.759
So we're literally in this cave for the rest of the year now.

538
00:31:23.819 --> 00:31:27.119
So the rest of trying to break down the force field.

539
00:31:29.039 --> 00:31:29.519
Okay?

540
00:31:29.700 --> 00:31:31.680
We've got what, 25 minutes to go?

541
00:31:34.140 --> 00:31:41.460
And as a respite from this, we can go back to the planet, the enterprise and listen to a load of tech level.

542
00:31:41.819 --> 00:31:42.180
Yeah.

543
00:31:42.180 --> 00:31:42.900
Yeah.

544
00:31:43.140 --> 00:31:43.799
Oh please.

545
00:31:44.220 --> 00:31:46.200
Yeah, and again, this is just us doing our jobs.

546
00:31:46.259 --> 00:31:47.460
Here's what we're going to do.

547
00:31:47.519 --> 00:31:51.119
We're going to deal with the fact that there's all this radiation.

548
00:31:51.539 --> 00:31:56.099
And now we're going to have a scene which is about how Beverly feels about it.

549
00:31:56.279 --> 00:32:04.319
And that scene is about as successful as all of the other scenes where Beverly is worried about Wesley. normally works.

550
00:32:04.559 --> 00:32:05.339
I don't know why.

551
00:32:05.339 --> 00:32:11.640
When they lean into gates being with Will, I think those things work.

552
00:32:12.539 --> 00:32:13.259
Look at her.

553
00:32:13.319 --> 00:32:15.180
She's just like, she's blank, right?

554
00:32:15.240 --> 00:32:17.220
Now she's got...

555
00:32:17.220 --> 00:32:17.700
No, no.

556
00:32:17.759 --> 00:32:18.839
I don't think she's blank.

557
00:32:18.900 --> 00:32:20.700
She's absolutely, there's tension.

558
00:32:20.759 --> 00:32:21.599
Do you know what I mean?

559
00:32:21.660 --> 00:32:27.779
But the problem is that these 2 are friends, there's, like, there's nothing here in this relationship.

560
00:32:28.140 --> 00:32:30.900
And then she does a big smile and say, no, really, okay.

561
00:32:31.019 --> 00:32:32.099
Is she faking it?

562
00:32:32.160 --> 00:32:32.819
Who can say?

563
00:32:32.940 --> 00:32:33.779
Does it matter?

564
00:32:34.200 --> 00:32:34.740
No.

565
00:32:34.799 --> 00:32:37.680
You know, like, does she feel bad or not?

566
00:32:37.740 --> 00:32:38.759
Maybe she does.

567
00:32:38.819 --> 00:32:40.619
Maybe she's just working through it.

568
00:32:40.859 --> 00:32:42.240
There's really no way of knowing.

569
00:32:42.299 --> 00:32:51.359
You remember when Rom Moore said, thank God we're doing enough of Star Trek show because I just can't find anything interesting to say about these cardboard cutouts anymore.

570
00:32:51.839 --> 00:32:52.440
Yeah, yeah.

571
00:32:52.440 --> 00:32:57.240
We've done as many high concepts with them as we possibly can to make these people interesting.

572
00:32:58.559 --> 00:33:00.180
This is what he's talking about, isn't it?

573
00:33:01.319 --> 00:33:17.220
Yeah, but again, you know, you think about what they do in Voyager, which is essentially what they do here because each character here had a bio that was a paragraph long that explained what they were like and what made them tick.

574
00:33:17.819 --> 00:33:24.960
And they manage, I think, to wring quite a bit out of that for data and wharf.

575
00:33:25.799 --> 00:33:26.700
Do you know what I mean?

576
00:33:27.119 --> 00:33:29.039
I think that those are successful.

577
00:33:30.480 --> 00:33:40.079
I think Voyager, though, leaves all that stuff on the floor because again, it finds it's not particularly interested in its characters and is just doing high concept stuff.

578
00:33:40.980 --> 00:33:41.579
I do.

579
00:33:41.579 --> 00:33:43.619
So he tries to have more...

580
00:33:43.980 --> 00:33:44.460
Right.

581
00:33:44.519 --> 00:33:48.420
But generally it goes for weird conflict that's really unpleasant to watch.

582
00:33:48.480 --> 00:33:49.319
Do you remember Twisted?

583
00:33:49.500 --> 00:33:50.880
But what it did to Neelix?

584
00:33:50.880 --> 00:33:57.900
Or, you know, they have Tom Paris and Jacose hating each other or Tuvok fighting with everybody because he's so logical.

585
00:33:58.200 --> 00:34:05.400
Like, they are trying to do character stuff because some of the plots are so thin. but generally it's sort of pleasant to watch.

586
00:34:06.480 --> 00:34:07.319
Well, that's right.

587
00:34:07.380 --> 00:34:10.019
And why kind of be about the friendships between the characters?

588
00:34:10.079 --> 00:34:19.920
I don't want to be all Pollyanna-ish, but what's really fun is, you know, like Miles and Julian or Ben and Jadzia.

589
00:34:19.980 --> 00:34:20.820
Do you know what I mean?

590
00:34:20.880 --> 00:34:30.719
Or, like all of those pairings, all of those pairings and people who get on and compliment each other and have ways of dealing with each other that we know and understand.

591
00:34:31.320 --> 00:34:34.199
Which makes the culture easy to run. count.

592
00:34:34.260 --> 00:34:34.619
Yeah, yeah.

593
00:34:34.800 --> 00:34:35.519
When they don't.

594
00:34:35.519 --> 00:34:35.880
Exactly.

595
00:34:37.019 --> 00:34:47.519
So I love this force field, and I actually reckon what it is, and I'm sure that everyone watching knows this, is that it is a glass cylinder.

596
00:34:47.699 --> 00:34:54.059
Like it's a physical object that they're matting into the, into the shot. don't you think Possibly, yeah.

597
00:34:54.960 --> 00:34:55.739
It's a good effect.

598
00:34:56.760 --> 00:34:57.539
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

599
00:34:58.260 --> 00:35:00.960
Actually, Wesley's hair looks so much better now, doesn't it?

600
00:35:01.079 --> 00:35:02.219
sort of hanging over his face.

601
00:35:02.820 --> 00:35:03.960
Harry Kim the style.

602
00:35:05.519 --> 00:35:09.239
My god, there's so many polystyrene boulders jumping about the place.

603
00:35:09.300 --> 00:35:10.739
They're in serious trouble here.

604
00:35:11.039 --> 00:35:13.920
Also, this low effort threat as well?

605
00:35:13.980 --> 00:35:15.360
Like the, what's the threat?

606
00:35:15.420 --> 00:35:17.460
And look how small they are that fall on him.

607
00:35:17.519 --> 00:35:17.940
Come on.

608
00:35:18.300 --> 00:35:20.340
Yeah, yeah, yeah There's just a lot of them.

609
00:35:20.400 --> 00:35:22.019
I mean, Nathan, I'm a wimp, even.

610
00:35:22.079 --> 00:35:22.920
I could get out from that.

611
00:35:23.820 --> 00:35:25.199
And they are polystyrene.

612
00:35:25.260 --> 00:35:26.280
I mean, let's face it.

613
00:35:26.880 --> 00:35:29.159
I wonder if Patrick Stewart's a bit delicate, you know?

614
00:35:30.119 --> 00:35:31.739
Have you read this autography?

615
00:35:31.800 --> 00:35:32.639
I think he is.

616
00:35:35.579 --> 00:35:38.639
If everyone tells you you're very talented, your entire life.

617
00:35:38.940 --> 00:35:41.460
You become immune to criticism.

618
00:35:42.119 --> 00:35:47.099
Yes, I think that's probably fair. blood Yeah, yeah, yeah.

619
00:35:47.159 --> 00:35:48.840
A lot of blood for Star Trek, I think.

620
00:35:50.460 --> 00:35:51.119
That's right.

621
00:35:51.179 --> 00:35:55.619
But now, basically, the only thing Nick Tate can actually do now is expire, right?

622
00:35:55.679 --> 00:35:57.840
Like, he's got nothing left to do in the story.

623
00:35:58.980 --> 00:36:05.340
But he should have a conflict with Wesley and Wesley should stand up to him.

624
00:36:05.940 --> 00:36:08.820
And he should defer to Wesley, right?

625
00:36:08.880 --> 00:36:10.019
And that doesn't happen.

626
00:36:10.320 --> 00:36:12.659
What happens is Wesley tells him to do something.

627
00:36:12.960 --> 00:36:15.000
He says, no, fuck, I'm not gonna do that.

628
00:36:15.539 --> 00:36:19.679
Then he gets himself killed, and then Wesley solves the space problem by himself.

629
00:36:20.099 --> 00:36:28.860
And what he isn't required to do is to stand up and do a command thing that shows that he's ready to be a Starfleet officer.

630
00:36:28.920 --> 00:36:29.760
Do you know what I mean?

631
00:36:29.820 --> 00:36:33.780
When we 1st saw him this episode, he'd just been doing an experiment.

632
00:36:34.199 --> 00:36:35.460
In his 2nd episode.

633
00:36:35.579 --> 00:36:37.679
He's doing that experiment with the gravity thing.

634
00:36:37.800 --> 00:36:38.699
Do you know what I mean?

635
00:36:38.760 --> 00:36:40.559
That's where we started with Wesley.

636
00:36:40.619 --> 00:36:42.659
He, the boy genius who does science experiments.

637
00:36:42.840 --> 00:36:45.059
Still do an experiment in evolution.

638
00:36:45.119 --> 00:36:46.320
Do you remember what, the nanites?

639
00:36:46.559 --> 00:36:49.139
And then at the start of this episode, I'm so sorry, sir.

640
00:36:49.199 --> 00:36:50.159
I was doing my experiment.

641
00:36:50.159 --> 00:36:51.000
I was doing an experiment.

642
00:36:51.840 --> 00:36:54.480
And that's how he solves the problem here.

643
00:36:54.719 --> 00:37:16.559
But what it really needs to be is a hard command decision or like standing up to this guy, you know, and we've seen Wesley dealing with him in a way that shows that he's still a whiny child and you see Picard deferring to him and being polite to him because he knows that he can tell him what to do the 2nd that he needs him to do something.

644
00:37:17.039 --> 00:37:23.579
And so the story of him growing up and being ready to leave is not told in this episode.

645
00:37:24.659 --> 00:37:26.639
Nathan, and this is not an insult, right?

646
00:37:26.699 --> 00:37:29.820
That is an infinitely better version of the episode that we're watching.

647
00:37:30.059 --> 00:37:30.480
Yeah.

648
00:37:30.599 --> 00:37:33.900
Yeah, that is the basic of what this should have been.

649
00:37:34.380 --> 00:37:34.800
Right?

650
00:37:34.800 --> 00:37:35.639
Yes, exactly.

651
00:37:36.000 --> 00:37:36.840
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

652
00:37:36.900 --> 00:37:37.679
Do you know what I mean?

653
00:37:37.739 --> 00:37:39.719
Like, why are we doing it?

654
00:37:39.960 --> 00:37:47.039
Why are we just having Wesley sucking up to Picard and being mean to Nick Tate and I don't know.

655
00:37:47.219 --> 00:37:48.000
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

656
00:37:48.059 --> 00:37:49.920
But don't you think it just has to be like that?

657
00:37:49.980 --> 00:37:53.699
And like, I'm, you know, I've written no television episodes.

658
00:37:54.539 --> 00:37:56.460
You've studied an awful lot.

659
00:37:59.880 --> 00:38:03.659
But it seems to me that that's what this episode needs to be, and it just isn't that.

660
00:38:03.900 --> 00:38:09.539
I mean, I think, you know, at the end when Picard says to him, what a wonderful time you're going to have at Starfleet Academy, yeah.

661
00:38:09.599 --> 00:38:12.599
Until I saw Starfleet Academy of the series.

662
00:38:12.659 --> 00:38:17.039
I wouldn't have believed that for a second, but now I know how just how many hot people are there.

663
00:38:17.159 --> 00:38:18.000
Everyone's hot.

664
00:38:18.059 --> 00:38:19.500
I would have been right, 0 my God.

665
00:38:19.559 --> 00:38:20.460
Get me there now.

666
00:38:22.019 --> 00:38:24.000
I'm the doctor from Voyages there as well.

667
00:38:24.599 --> 00:38:25.320
He's there too.

668
00:38:25.380 --> 00:38:25.980
That's awesome.

669
00:38:27.599 --> 00:38:28.739
And a Gemital woman.

670
00:38:28.800 --> 00:38:29.460
Let's do it.

671
00:38:30.719 --> 00:38:35.639
Well, we actually do get that in that sense of what Southfleet Academy is like from the game.

672
00:38:35.940 --> 00:38:38.400
Can you hear Gates McFadden?

673
00:38:38.880 --> 00:38:41.159
See them off, put the people in there.

674
00:38:41.219 --> 00:38:42.840
It's all stuff we're not seeing.

675
00:38:42.960 --> 00:38:45.059
She's just telling us stuff that's happening on the planet.

676
00:38:45.480 --> 00:39:01.739
That's right And there are times where you see, and maybe it's, it's the sort of thing you only do on a film, but you see people being carded from corridor to corridor, people going, you know, grabbing their stuff, you know, announcements over the thing, give it some kind of urgency rather than just standing there and talking about it.

677
00:39:02.699 --> 00:39:05.519
Monitor the sharing beam, one half impulse.

678
00:39:05.579 --> 00:39:07.019
I mean, what does any of this mean?

679
00:39:08.699 --> 00:39:11.280
So I quite like the towing stuff and the physical stuff.

680
00:39:11.340 --> 00:39:22.320
What I really hate, though, is the radiation, where radiation is a thing that kills you after you've been exposed to it for a certain number of minutes.

681
00:39:22.679 --> 00:39:28.500
And if you're exposed to, like, like, we'll all be dead in 32.5 minutes.

682
00:39:30.420 --> 00:39:31.500
I'm fairly sure.

683
00:39:31.559 --> 00:39:32.940
Like, I'm not a physicist.

684
00:39:33.000 --> 00:39:35.099
No, don't find another problem.

685
00:39:35.099 --> 00:39:37.260
Aviation, strippers, DNA theories.

686
00:39:37.320 --> 00:39:40.260
I think maybe he's got his radiation theories as well.

687
00:39:40.320 --> 00:39:46.079
Half don't you remember, half an hour is how long you can be dead before Dr. Beverly can bring you back to life as well.

688
00:39:46.619 --> 00:39:47.219
That's right.

689
00:39:47.219 --> 00:39:49.800
I'm starting to think the science is a bit shable.

690
00:39:50.039 --> 00:39:56.400
Oh, yeah. unless she wants out of her contract and then you literally have 5 seconds.

691
00:39:58.139 --> 00:40:00.480
Look at this expensive looking fountain that they have here.

692
00:40:01.679 --> 00:40:05.460
Well, I mean, I've seen more dramatic fountains than that.

693
00:40:08.280 --> 00:40:12.239
It looks like the fountain that they put on every colony set in lower decks.

694
00:40:12.420 --> 00:40:13.619
It's always myself.

695
00:40:15.840 --> 00:40:17.340
See, I like this thing.

696
00:40:17.400 --> 00:40:24.360
The, the, the, seeing the, um, uh, the phaser encased in those fibres.

697
00:40:24.360 --> 00:40:25.440
It looks so cheap.

698
00:40:26.219 --> 00:40:27.000
Look at that.

699
00:40:27.000 --> 00:40:27.900
I know, I know.

700
00:40:28.139 --> 00:40:39.539
But it's, of course, selling the, uh, the cliffhanger going into the, um, credits where it's Nick Tates, face, eyes open, staring in horror underneath all those finders.

701
00:40:39.539 --> 00:40:41.519
They can't do horror properly.

702
00:40:41.579 --> 00:40:42.059
Can they?

703
00:40:42.119 --> 00:40:43.320
It's not gross enough.

704
00:40:43.380 --> 00:40:46.980
It's just Nick Tate encased in plastic, you know?

705
00:40:47.280 --> 00:40:48.659
Yeah, yeah. pulling a face.

706
00:40:50.039 --> 00:40:51.119
What is he talking about?

707
00:40:51.300 --> 00:40:52.679
Silanian fibres.

708
00:40:52.739 --> 00:40:53.400
Oh, okay.

709
00:40:54.239 --> 00:40:54.780
Come on.

710
00:40:55.559 --> 00:40:56.880
Where are the people with this?

711
00:40:59.579 --> 00:41:03.059
Like they are people saying words, but there are no people in this.

712
00:41:04.199 --> 00:41:05.579
No, no.

713
00:41:05.639 --> 00:41:07.079
And that's not normal.

714
00:41:07.199 --> 00:41:08.159
Do you know what I mean?

715
00:41:08.219 --> 00:41:08.639
Like that?

716
00:41:08.699 --> 00:41:30.300
This is actually worse than the usual run of things because even in high concept episodes, think about, let's think about, say, the next phase, right, which is a high concept episode, but all the way through, you get rose relationship with the other characters, rose relationship with Geordie.

717
00:41:30.659 --> 00:41:39.659
You know, all of that stuff and even the closing thing is, you know, this whole high concept thing. you know, I'm on board if it could teach Roe Laren some humility.

718
00:41:39.900 --> 00:41:51.539
And so that is a high concept thing, but it's all about the relationships between the 2 main characters involved for the episode, Geordie and Rowe, and the relationship that Rowe has with all the rest of the crew.

719
00:41:51.780 --> 00:42:05.219
I don't understand why they got rid of Diana Mulder because when Dr. Pulaski's in an episode, It don't matter how boring the episode is, there is personality on the screen, when Dr. Palasi is there, she's such a crappy cow.

720
00:42:06.300 --> 00:42:08.519
Yeah, yeah, yeah Yeah, it's odd.

721
00:42:08.579 --> 00:42:09.480
And you're right.

722
00:42:09.599 --> 00:42:14.760
We talked in the past about the chemistry between the cast of Next Generation.

723
00:42:15.119 --> 00:42:21.119
And so they could just have scenes where they're playing poker or they're in, 10 forward and stuff like that.

724
00:42:21.599 --> 00:42:27.000
And, you know, it isn't riveting character work, but it is relaxing with fun actors.

725
00:42:28.380 --> 00:42:29.940
But that's not happening here either.

726
00:42:30.900 --> 00:42:31.260
No.

727
00:42:34.320 --> 00:42:35.699
Oh, dear, 0 dear.

728
00:42:35.760 --> 00:42:39.360
It looks a bit like the set from, no, well, all the others, really.

729
00:42:40.260 --> 00:42:41.340
Yes, yeah.

730
00:42:41.460 --> 00:42:44.039
There's a reason it's stock cave set one.

731
00:42:44.280 --> 00:42:47.880
I don't remember that special effect being that good, you know, in the original episode.

732
00:42:49.019 --> 00:42:50.519
They've tied it up roughly there.

733
00:42:50.940 --> 00:42:51.659
A little bit.

734
00:42:51.780 --> 00:42:52.199
Yeah.

735
00:42:52.739 --> 00:42:54.360
I mean, it is boring.

736
00:42:54.420 --> 00:43:04.920
It's a little bit like that slightly disappointing monster in Dharmok, you know, where it's out of phase, so you can't see it properly.

737
00:43:05.099 --> 00:43:07.320
And so it doesn't have to look like a man in a suit.

738
00:43:07.380 --> 00:43:12.239
So maybe it was a good choice, but they don't have the money for anything super interesting.

739
00:43:12.539 --> 00:43:16.559
Why haven't they given Wesley like a genuinely difficult problem to solve.

740
00:43:16.619 --> 00:43:21.900
So we can see, you know, how smart he is and how perfect he would be for Starfleet Academy.

741
00:43:21.960 --> 00:43:24.599
Why is it just get the force field down and get the water?

742
00:43:24.960 --> 00:43:25.679
Get some water.

743
00:43:26.159 --> 00:43:26.519
Yeah.

744
00:43:26.519 --> 00:43:30.000
I mean, that's short going into the advert, right?

745
00:43:30.300 --> 00:43:31.320
I know it's great.

746
00:43:31.860 --> 00:43:33.059
It's really crazy.

747
00:43:33.900 --> 00:43:35.280
It looks so cheap.

748
00:43:35.340 --> 00:43:36.179
Oh my god.

749
00:43:36.239 --> 00:43:40.739
It's awesome. dictate selling it.

750
00:43:40.920 --> 00:43:44.280
Oh, we're still tiring this bloody garbage ship towards the sun.

751
00:43:45.000 --> 00:43:45.420
Okay.

752
00:43:45.420 --> 00:43:47.820
And I'm kind of going, you know, there's momentum.

753
00:43:47.880 --> 00:43:52.559
You could just fling it, you know, but please fling it, please.

754
00:43:53.699 --> 00:43:55.619
Just throw the ball away they lied.

755
00:43:55.980 --> 00:43:57.239
It doesn't have to go.

756
00:43:57.300 --> 00:43:58.920
It doesn't have to go into the sun.

757
00:43:59.219 --> 00:44:08.099
Yeah, I mean, you could just literally fling it, you know, out of the solar system and the chances that it would hit anything else are absolutely minuscule.

758
00:44:08.159 --> 00:44:08.820
It would be fine.

759
00:44:09.539 --> 00:44:11.400
You remember that experiment that we...

760
00:44:11.400 --> 00:44:13.920
Lethal radiation exposure in 30 seconds.

761
00:44:13.980 --> 00:44:17.820
That's how tight it is, 30 seconds. 15 seconds.

762
00:44:18.000 --> 00:44:19.199
My God, brother, brother.

763
00:44:20.400 --> 00:44:21.960
You're about to be exposed.

764
00:44:22.139 --> 00:44:22.800
Squeak.

765
00:44:22.800 --> 00:44:24.360
That will all die.

766
00:44:25.199 --> 00:44:27.960
We're having that fabulous experiment in one little ship.

767
00:44:28.019 --> 00:44:28.559
Do you remember?

768
00:44:28.619 --> 00:44:33.119
And it was sort of intervened by the Gem'adar coming in and sort of spoiled.

769
00:44:33.179 --> 00:44:37.440
I mean, I fear this may be the sort of episode we might have had if they hadn't have gotten involved.

770
00:44:37.619 --> 00:44:43.440
Instead, we had that lovely little ship going about the place and Jemmedar's fighting, which was much more fun.

771
00:44:44.579 --> 00:44:49.619
That shot, which is obviously not the original shot, but that shot of the garbage scale going into the sun is pretty good.

772
00:44:50.880 --> 00:44:51.900
Indeed.

773
00:44:52.260 --> 00:44:56.039
But should we be selling this on new HD visuals?

774
00:44:56.820 --> 00:44:57.239
Yeah.

775
00:44:57.300 --> 00:44:58.920
Well, you know, yeah.

776
00:44:58.980 --> 00:44:59.699
It's something.

777
00:45:00.539 --> 00:45:01.500
It's something.

778
00:45:01.500 --> 00:45:02.460
Okay, so now.

779
00:45:02.519 --> 00:45:08.460
I think we're getting we're getting the scene. you know there's kind of a lot of talking between them, isn't there?

780
00:45:08.880 --> 00:45:10.139
By the campfire now.

781
00:45:10.199 --> 00:45:11.340
He's warmed up the rocks.

782
00:45:12.000 --> 00:45:13.559
Well, I like that rocks thing.

783
00:45:13.619 --> 00:45:15.300
And of course, that's from original track.

784
00:45:15.360 --> 00:45:19.739
Yeah, they do. rocks and shovels as well.

785
00:45:19.800 --> 00:45:20.760
Do you remember when they was in there?

786
00:45:20.820 --> 00:45:21.659
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

787
00:45:22.860 --> 00:45:24.840
Things have got a bit more impressive by then.

788
00:45:24.900 --> 00:45:26.219
The cave sets a bit bigger.

789
00:45:27.480 --> 00:45:28.019
Is it?

790
00:45:28.079 --> 00:45:28.920
I'm not sure he is.

791
00:45:30.000 --> 00:45:31.440
Maybe they're just lightening it better.

792
00:45:31.500 --> 00:45:32.159
I don't know.

793
00:45:32.880 --> 00:45:35.460
You do know that there's a lower decks episode called Caves.

794
00:45:35.460 --> 00:45:44.579
It's really good, but it has lots of flashbacks to adventures they've had in caves, but each cave that they have, the adventure.

795
00:45:44.699 --> 00:45:50.099
It is just the set, the same set, but lit differently. tremendous.

796
00:45:50.400 --> 00:45:53.159
I truly appreciate Will Wheaton's performance fair.

797
00:45:53.219 --> 00:46:00.659
Because this is his 1st point where he's been able to actually give a performance because until now he's been as functional as everybody else.

798
00:46:01.440 --> 00:46:01.860
Yeah.

799
00:46:02.460 --> 00:46:06.000
Yeah, and a bit whiny and annoying, like they can't write him likeable.

800
00:46:06.119 --> 00:46:10.980
You know, the way that, like, Jake is sometimes a little bit whiny, but not really.

801
00:46:11.400 --> 00:46:17.280
Like, he's super likeable, but they don't manage that with Wesley, even though Will is a very good actor.

802
00:46:17.579 --> 00:46:22.739
He's so whiny sometimes, Jake, but he's so tall that he's very amusing just to watch him next to everybody, you know?

803
00:46:25.079 --> 00:46:25.860
Did you hear this?

804
00:46:26.400 --> 00:46:28.500
Did you hear the story about Jerry O'Connell?

805
00:46:28.559 --> 00:46:31.739
Jerry O'Connell talked about getting his Star Trek job.

806
00:46:32.280 --> 00:46:35.400
So he's ransom, Commander Ransom in Lower Decks.

807
00:46:37.079 --> 00:46:44.219
And he said that his wife didn't text him to congratulate him and his wife is obviously Una from Stranger Worlds.

808
00:46:44.579 --> 00:46:57.179
Um, uh, but the person who did congratulate him was, um, was Will and Will will texted him and said, welcome to Starfleet commander, because the 2 of them were on, um, stand by me together.

809
00:46:57.840 --> 00:46:59.099
Oh, of course they were.

810
00:46:59.159 --> 00:46:59.760
Of course.

811
00:47:02.400 --> 00:47:04.679
He was Vern, wasn't he?

812
00:47:04.679 --> 00:47:07.019
That's not the secret knock for him.

813
00:47:08.400 --> 00:47:09.360
That was so cute.

814
00:47:09.599 --> 00:47:11.940
I just thought they were so cute, you know.

815
00:47:12.239 --> 00:47:13.139
Oh, do you remember?

816
00:47:13.139 --> 00:47:15.239
He brought his comb and he didn't have any hair.

817
00:47:15.300 --> 00:47:17.159
Sorry, I'm talking about standby now.

818
00:47:17.219 --> 00:47:20.940
I mean, it's so much infinitely superior to what we're watching today.

819
00:47:21.960 --> 00:47:25.079
Will Wheaton is the most charming person.

820
00:47:25.139 --> 00:47:27.300
Like you take a look at social media.

821
00:47:27.780 --> 00:47:37.079
Look at how he gave his endorsement to so much of Kurtzman Trek by doing lots of behind the scenes stuff and being involved in it.

822
00:47:37.860 --> 00:47:42.840
Like, that means something to Star Trek fans of the 90s when people like that get their endorsement.

823
00:47:43.139 --> 00:47:45.480
I think he's a great ambassador for Star Trek.

824
00:47:45.599 --> 00:47:49.260
And I really like as well how he's honest about his mental health struggles.

825
00:47:49.320 --> 00:47:58.440
He talks when he came onto Gates McFadden's short-lived, but absolutely fascinating podcast, where she interviewed everybody.

826
00:47:58.500 --> 00:48:00.900
Please check out the Marina service one, all right?

827
00:48:01.139 --> 00:48:02.400
Oh, Gatesy.

828
00:48:02.699 --> 00:48:03.480
How's it going?

829
00:48:04.320 --> 00:48:06.539
It's like work for all the women league days.

830
00:48:06.599 --> 00:48:07.320
Sorry, anyway.

831
00:48:07.679 --> 00:48:11.880
He's there, he's there talking about how, and yeah, just for me, something to us.

832
00:48:11.940 --> 00:48:16.500
He takes CBD gummies and how that helps him get through the door.

833
00:48:16.559 --> 00:48:21.900
I just, he strikes me as a very honest of just a very nice bloke.

834
00:48:23.219 --> 00:48:23.639
Yeah.

835
00:48:24.059 --> 00:48:24.539
Yeah.

836
00:48:24.719 --> 00:48:27.480
And a much better actor than his material proves.

837
00:48:28.559 --> 00:48:29.820
Absolutely. absolutely absolutely.

838
00:48:29.880 --> 00:48:31.500
Because look at what he did when he came back.

839
00:48:31.559 --> 00:48:33.659
You know, you can actually properly ask.

840
00:48:35.579 --> 00:48:40.559
We saw, you know, those episodes with him in it in Prodigy, which was, he was fantastic.

841
00:48:40.619 --> 00:48:41.099
You know?

842
00:48:41.099 --> 00:48:42.900
It should have been a regular next, Doctor Who.

843
00:48:42.960 --> 00:48:43.739
Come on, he would have been great.

844
00:48:43.800 --> 00:48:44.219
Yeah.

845
00:48:44.219 --> 00:48:45.059
Oh, here we go.

846
00:48:45.119 --> 00:48:45.659
Back to the show.

847
00:48:45.719 --> 00:48:46.679
Look at gates.

848
00:48:46.739 --> 00:48:47.940
I mean she's vacant.

849
00:48:48.000 --> 00:48:49.320
What is going on behind her eyes?

850
00:48:49.440 --> 00:48:50.219
Nothing at all.

851
00:48:51.480 --> 00:48:54.239
No, she's upset that Wesley's not there.

852
00:48:54.539 --> 00:48:55.320
How can you tell?

853
00:48:56.400 --> 00:48:58.559
No, she's definitely she's giving...

854
00:48:58.619 --> 00:48:59.519
Back in the day, Nathan.

855
00:48:59.579 --> 00:49:02.760
She'd say, you don't want to execute my son.

856
00:49:03.780 --> 00:49:06.420
I would not allow that to happen, Jean-Luc.

857
00:49:07.139 --> 00:49:07.800
Do you remember?

858
00:49:09.360 --> 00:49:12.300
In fact, if she flouts off the bricks showing, Shut up.

859
00:49:12.780 --> 00:49:14.280
Oh, be so Christ.

860
00:49:15.360 --> 00:49:17.880
I would be so grateful for season one.

861
00:49:18.119 --> 00:49:19.019
Is that her best moment?

862
00:49:19.920 --> 00:49:21.059
by a mile.

863
00:49:21.119 --> 00:49:27.480
That or the moment where she was literally hanging off the chair and remember me being sucked into that portal.

864
00:49:28.500 --> 00:49:31.199
Or dancing in day to day is pretty great.

865
00:49:31.260 --> 00:49:32.039
Oh, that's great too.

866
00:49:32.099 --> 00:49:36.840
Oh I do like it when she gets shoved in the water in generations as well. yeah that's pretty good.

867
00:49:36.960 --> 00:49:40.139
That is not funny hilarious.

868
00:49:43.559 --> 00:49:44.820
Oh, here we go.

869
00:49:44.880 --> 00:49:45.780
Back to the cave, right?

870
00:49:46.199 --> 00:49:49.320
Yeah, yeah, yeah. he saying in French mouse?

871
00:49:50.280 --> 00:49:51.840
Oh, he's singing a song.

872
00:49:51.900 --> 00:49:53.639
I couldn't even work out what it is.

873
00:49:53.760 --> 00:49:55.440
It's not Frere Jacques.

874
00:49:55.500 --> 00:49:56.039
I don't know.

875
00:49:56.099 --> 00:49:58.199
Is it sur le pont d'Avignon?

876
00:49:58.260 --> 00:49:58.679
I don't know.

877
00:49:58.800 --> 00:50:00.179
I don't know, some French thing.

878
00:50:00.719 --> 00:50:05.639
Just to remind us that he's French, if you're, if he's plummy English accent, doesn't manage to convey that.

879
00:50:07.380 --> 00:50:09.360
We still haven't quite.

880
00:50:09.480 --> 00:50:11.219
I mean, there's what, 8 minutes of this to go.

881
00:50:11.280 --> 00:50:16.139
We still haven't quite got the knob of their relationship or what they mean to each other.

882
00:50:16.559 --> 00:50:17.039
No.

883
00:50:17.460 --> 00:50:23.159
Yeah, because we're just doing it in this scene, and I think it is, so this is the scene, I think, isn't it?

884
00:50:23.219 --> 00:50:25.860
Where he, where we 1st hear about Boothby?

885
00:50:26.699 --> 00:50:28.079
Oh, is it?

886
00:50:28.260 --> 00:50:28.739
Okay.

887
00:50:29.639 --> 00:50:33.179
I just always figured he's been around, but no, yeah, you're probably right.

888
00:50:33.239 --> 00:50:33.840
It's quite late.

889
00:50:34.260 --> 00:50:35.699
This is the 1st time we mention it.

890
00:50:35.760 --> 00:50:40.139
And then we mention him again in the game, and then obviously we see him in the 1st duty.

891
00:50:43.679 --> 00:50:44.760
I don't say this very often.

892
00:50:45.360 --> 00:50:49.139
They've both got really good makeup on right now.

893
00:50:49.559 --> 00:50:50.820
Under Wesley's eyes.

894
00:50:50.880 --> 00:50:52.380
I mean, he looks properly tired.

895
00:50:52.440 --> 00:50:53.820
Maybe it's a 16 hour day.

896
00:50:53.880 --> 00:50:54.239
Who knows?

897
00:50:56.760 --> 00:50:59.400
Yeah, I think, like, I think the makeup is really good.

898
00:50:59.460 --> 00:51:03.000
Like, and I think that this is clearly what we want.

899
00:51:03.659 --> 00:51:06.300
Like Picard looks so thirsty. to watch.

900
00:51:06.360 --> 00:51:07.739
Yes, it shaved for a couple of days.

901
00:51:07.800 --> 00:51:08.760
Do you see his stubble?

902
00:51:09.960 --> 00:51:14.039
That's, that's probably the afternoon for, he's a very hairy man.

903
00:51:14.219 --> 00:51:16.440
I reckon that's probably... afternoon.

904
00:51:18.179 --> 00:51:21.059
But I, God, I mean, I'm really desperate for things to talk about.

905
00:51:21.119 --> 00:51:23.940
I'm convinced by I'm convinced by the blood, though.

906
00:51:24.000 --> 00:51:25.199
It doesn't like dry blood.

907
00:51:25.260 --> 00:51:25.679
Yeah.

908
00:51:25.679 --> 00:51:27.900
But he's selling it as well.

909
00:51:27.960 --> 00:51:31.679
You have to act that, you know, like his face is a bit less mobile than it would be.

910
00:51:31.739 --> 00:51:34.440
Otherwise, he is struggling because he's really thirsty.

911
00:51:34.980 --> 00:51:37.679
See, this is him talking about Boothby.

912
00:51:37.739 --> 00:51:40.139
And that pays off properly well.

913
00:51:40.619 --> 00:51:41.760
No, it's hilarious.

914
00:51:41.820 --> 00:51:42.360
Do you remember?

915
00:51:42.719 --> 00:51:43.679
accessory in the game.

916
00:51:43.800 --> 00:51:44.820
Did you see Goofy?

917
00:51:44.820 --> 00:51:46.320
Goofy?

918
00:51:46.440 --> 00:51:48.719
Sorry, Booth B. Yeah, he didn't remember you at all.

919
00:51:48.719 --> 00:51:49.559
At first.

920
00:51:51.059 --> 00:51:54.239
But, yeah, yeah, but, oh, he helped me.

921
00:51:54.420 --> 00:51:56.460
Oh, this and he's nearly crying there.

922
00:51:57.059 --> 00:51:59.219
Yeah, it's very nicely acted this.

923
00:51:59.760 --> 00:52:00.179
Yeah.

924
00:52:01.860 --> 00:52:06.599
I see, I'm less embarrassed than you are with Patrick Stewart.

925
00:52:06.599 --> 00:52:07.380
He's in tears.

926
00:52:07.559 --> 00:52:09.119
I know you didn't like it in family.

927
00:52:09.239 --> 00:52:09.900
This is good.

928
00:52:10.500 --> 00:52:11.099
Yeah, yeah.

929
00:52:11.159 --> 00:52:11.699
This is good.

930
00:52:11.940 --> 00:52:14.340
No, I hate him in generations when he's in tears.

931
00:52:14.400 --> 00:52:16.980
I just think that's so pointless and crappy.

932
00:52:17.639 --> 00:52:18.480
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

933
00:52:18.599 --> 00:52:19.139
Why do?

934
00:52:19.199 --> 00:52:19.920
That's me.

935
00:52:20.159 --> 00:52:21.659
Get the water and stay alive.

936
00:52:21.780 --> 00:52:22.139
Yes.

937
00:52:22.440 --> 00:52:24.480
I mean, to be fair, he's making the right call.

938
00:52:24.539 --> 00:52:25.739
Wesley's got the future, right?

939
00:52:25.800 --> 00:52:26.519
Picards.

940
00:52:26.940 --> 00:52:29.280
Yeah, but it is that thing too.

941
00:52:29.340 --> 00:52:32.940
Like, it's not just that he's going to die, but there is something.

942
00:52:34.320 --> 00:52:40.380
You know, like he's about to go after Starfleet Academy. is about to start this incredible, brilliant career.

943
00:52:40.440 --> 00:52:45.840
It doesn't quite turn out that way, but, um, But there is something thrilling about that.

944
00:52:45.960 --> 00:52:46.800
Do you know what I mean?

945
00:52:46.860 --> 00:52:48.300
Like, I work with kids.

946
00:52:49.320 --> 00:52:59.579
Um, and then they go off and do things and then later on you find out what they've done and you just think that's extraordinary, you know, like, um, there is something.

947
00:52:59.639 --> 00:53:10.079
There's something sad and sort of marvellous about how unaware young people are about, do you know what I mean?

948
00:53:10.139 --> 00:53:11.519
Like how exciting things can be.

949
00:53:11.940 --> 00:53:14.219
Terrifying.

950
00:53:14.699 --> 00:53:15.539
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

951
00:53:15.599 --> 00:53:35.519
Yeah, that's one of the reasons why I love Starfleet Academy because it had that ethic where there were all these old people, though mostly women or holograms, and they all knew that these kids had this sort of interesting future, but that they had to get through this stuff, that they had a world that we'd created for them, that wasn't that great.

952
00:53:35.880 --> 00:53:36.780
Do you know what I mean?

953
00:53:36.840 --> 00:53:38.880
All that dynamic about adults and children.

954
00:53:38.940 --> 00:53:45.599
And that was the thing that I noticed most, I think, about the 1st duty this time too, when we did that.

955
00:53:45.659 --> 00:53:46.500
Do you know what I mean?

956
00:53:46.559 --> 00:53:57.000
The way that those people in Starfleet Academy had this concern, the way that Admiral Brand was heartbroken at the fact that the kids had lied to her.

957
00:53:57.179 --> 00:53:58.079
Do you know what I mean?

958
00:53:58.139 --> 00:54:02.219
That they'd taken a cowardly, you know, dishonest course of action.

959
00:54:02.760 --> 00:54:03.539
You know me?

960
00:54:03.539 --> 00:54:05.039
Yeah, so looking, solving the problem.

961
00:54:05.099 --> 00:54:08.219
He's standing there, pressing the things on his right order.

962
00:54:08.280 --> 00:54:09.000
God is so smart.

963
00:54:09.059 --> 00:54:10.739
He can press buttons on his strike order.

964
00:54:10.800 --> 00:54:11.460
Go, Wesley.

965
00:54:12.420 --> 00:54:13.920
Until the water appears.

966
00:54:14.159 --> 00:54:19.920
It's amazing Just he is technically competent and ready for Starfleet Academy.

967
00:54:20.340 --> 00:54:26.159
I don't even know how he can tell what things are buttons and what are touch screens and what things are little flashing lights on that tricorder.

968
00:54:26.340 --> 00:54:28.019
No, I just trust that he does.

969
00:54:28.860 --> 00:54:29.820
He would not.

970
00:54:30.000 --> 00:54:32.219
The trouble is you just gave such a lovely reading now.

971
00:54:32.280 --> 00:54:33.960
You know I'm a terrible old cynic.

972
00:54:34.019 --> 00:54:38.219
I mean, all I say to young people now is, I mean, I wouldn't want to do you see the way the world's going?

973
00:54:38.280 --> 00:54:39.480
I don't want to be young now.

974
00:54:39.539 --> 00:54:40.139
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

975
00:54:40.139 --> 00:54:40.679
No, Idiots.

976
00:54:40.679 --> 00:54:41.820
I know, that's true.

977
00:54:42.960 --> 00:54:44.579
Is he got a medical tricord?

978
00:54:44.639 --> 00:54:45.900
Where does he have a medical tricorder?

979
00:54:45.960 --> 00:54:48.300
anyway, it doesn't matter. hurry up and get him some water, though.

980
00:54:48.360 --> 00:54:49.019
Good grief.

981
00:54:49.079 --> 00:54:50.400
He's very thirsty.

982
00:54:51.840 --> 00:54:52.440
There we go.

983
00:54:53.340 --> 00:54:58.619
He's just had the water in a receptacle and now he's just putting tidy little dribbles from his hand.

984
00:54:59.579 --> 00:55:00.480
Oh, yeah, yeah.

985
00:55:00.539 --> 00:55:06.480
When someone's thirsty, you don't want to just, it's not a good idea to just get them to chug down a couple of litres of water.

986
00:55:06.539 --> 00:55:08.579
No, I don't think that's not a good thing.

987
00:55:08.940 --> 00:55:11.460
You have to kind of go go easy.

988
00:55:12.000 --> 00:55:14.519
I do appreciate that climax.

989
00:55:14.579 --> 00:55:19.739
It isn't, especially well written, but I do I do appreciate the performances of the climax.

990
00:55:20.039 --> 00:55:21.840
And but there, you're right.

991
00:55:21.900 --> 00:55:25.500
There's something tender about the way that he looks after him as well.

992
00:55:25.679 --> 00:55:27.360
You know, like there is a thing.

993
00:55:28.079 --> 00:55:31.440
You know, that the change, do you know what I mean?

994
00:55:31.500 --> 00:55:36.900
Where he has to look after him. doesn't he doesn't stand up and become a commander or anything like that.

995
00:55:36.960 --> 00:55:40.380
But he, he is a young man looking after an older man.

996
00:55:40.619 --> 00:55:41.760
You know, like, I don't know.

997
00:55:41.820 --> 00:55:44.039
Is your hypnotised mother now looking at you?

998
00:55:44.519 --> 00:55:45.300
Wesley.

999
00:55:45.300 --> 00:55:46.559
Wesley.

1000
00:55:49.860 --> 00:55:52.320
Why did they get rid of Diana Moltar?

1001
00:55:53.400 --> 00:55:54.840
I love gates so much.

1002
00:55:54.900 --> 00:55:55.380
Shut up.

1003
00:55:58.860 --> 00:56:04.679
This will mean nothing to anybody, but I feel like a sort of inspiration in life was Gene Anne Crowley.

1004
00:56:04.739 --> 00:56:05.400
Look her up.

1005
00:56:08.219 --> 00:56:10.559
It's Vina from Doctor Who's Time Lash.

1006
00:56:11.340 --> 00:56:17.280
Oh my god. have a similar sort of opaqueness to their performance.

1007
00:56:18.599 --> 00:56:30.480
That, there was a little urgent moment there too, with Will, where he says, I'm so happy to see you or something, because he's aware that this is their last scene together as the, do you know what I mean?

1008
00:56:30.539 --> 00:56:33.780
Like he's selling that as an, I'm going to be gone now?

1009
00:56:33.840 --> 00:56:36.420
And even that last line, no, I can walk.

1010
00:56:37.079 --> 00:56:42.420
Like that's a line that he has to deliver because it is about him leaving to be independent.

1011
00:56:42.599 --> 00:56:44.039
She should have boxed him around the years.

1012
00:56:44.159 --> 00:56:49.079
She goes, we found your wreckage and the arrow and you've gone in the other direction.

1013
00:56:50.039 --> 00:56:50.940
For God's sakes.

1014
00:56:51.000 --> 00:56:52.860
It's taken us twice as long to find you.

1015
00:56:54.179 --> 00:56:55.079
No, no.

1016
00:56:55.320 --> 00:56:57.119
Of course they wouldn't put a joke in, would they?

1017
00:56:57.179 --> 00:56:57.659
Come on.

1018
00:56:58.079 --> 00:56:59.159
Well, there's this joke.

1019
00:56:59.219 --> 00:57:01.019
What are you doing in such a filthy uniform?

1020
00:57:01.079 --> 00:57:03.360
And then he says, you don't look so shipshape yourself.

1021
00:57:04.380 --> 00:57:04.800
Right.

1022
00:57:04.800 --> 00:57:05.639
Yeah, I know.

1023
00:57:06.300 --> 00:57:07.800
Do you remember those jokes?

1024
00:57:07.800 --> 00:57:10.559
We had to... the other day about Akamom.

1025
00:57:10.619 --> 00:57:12.239
Yeah, they were funny. hilarious.

1026
00:57:13.320 --> 00:57:15.059
Oh, that's nice. will be missed.

1027
00:57:15.960 --> 00:57:21.179
I mean, that's quite a bit of development for him in Counterpoint, where it's like, get out of that chair, boy.

1028
00:57:22.320 --> 00:57:22.800
Yeah.

1029
00:57:22.800 --> 00:57:34.739
Well, in fact, we get that next, well, not next time, but in the 1st duty, where, where we do actually get that speech where Pecan says you came on my bridge and I said, what are you, you know, what's this horrible child doing here?

1030
00:57:35.219 --> 00:57:39.599
That is such an awkward final shot of them holding.

1031
00:57:39.840 --> 00:57:41.460
Yeah, no one made them think.

1032
00:57:41.460 --> 00:57:47.880
Like going halfway up the stairs in caves at one, like that that was what we go out on.

1033
00:57:48.300 --> 00:57:50.159
Who directed that one and I want to know.

1034
00:57:51.360 --> 00:57:52.199
I can't remember.

1035
00:57:52.260 --> 00:57:59.159
It's someone who's done about 10 episodes and someone who Berman speaks very highly of, is it Corey Allen or something?

1036
00:57:59.219 --> 00:58:02.519
Oh, Cory Allen, he did some pretty decent ones, actually.

1037
00:58:03.420 --> 00:58:06.239
I think he directed Tosk over at DS9.

1038
00:58:06.840 --> 00:58:07.679
Oh, possibly.

1039
00:58:08.159 --> 00:58:08.940
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1040
00:58:09.000 --> 00:58:10.320
Yeah, he did some DS92.

1041
00:58:10.860 --> 00:58:18.900
Well, I mean, never before have I felt so like, well, we endured that and we got through it and that was a piece of television.

1042
00:58:19.739 --> 00:58:21.480
I think we've watched more trick than that.

1043
00:58:22.320 --> 00:58:23.699
Well, you've seen Manhunt.

1044
00:58:23.760 --> 00:58:26.579
No, we've, we've, Manhunt made us crossed.

1045
00:58:26.699 --> 00:58:28.019
Twisted made us cross.

1046
00:58:28.079 --> 00:58:28.619
That's true.

1047
00:58:28.679 --> 00:58:29.099
Okay?

1048
00:58:29.219 --> 00:58:32.099
That just made us go, well, this is people pushing buttons.

1049
00:58:32.460 --> 00:58:33.179
Yeah, yeah.

1050
00:58:33.599 --> 00:58:34.019
Yeah.

1051
00:58:34.199 --> 00:58:35.280
Yeah, oh well.

1052
00:58:44.579 --> 00:58:49.260
All right, it's the end of the episode, and it's time for us to find out where we're going next.

1053
00:58:50.099 --> 00:58:52.500
This was my choice.

1054
00:58:52.980 --> 00:59:01.619
So I think we've returned to the status quo where I choose the terrible episodes, which can only mean that it's time for you to choose an excellent episode.

1055
00:59:01.739 --> 00:59:06.719
So I look forward to seeing what episode of the animated series you have in store for us.

1056
00:59:07.920 --> 00:59:09.059
What I ever learn, though?

1057
00:59:09.239 --> 00:59:14.039
I mean, again, at the end of the last one, I was still excited for this week's one, wasn't I?

1058
00:59:14.579 --> 00:59:15.059
Yeah.

1059
00:59:15.059 --> 00:59:16.800
Let's see what happens this week.

1060
00:59:20.039 --> 00:59:21.000
Oh, you know me.

1061
00:59:21.059 --> 00:59:24.000
I'll just love throwing everything in and see what I get.

1062
00:59:24.059 --> 00:59:24.239
Yeah.

1063
00:59:24.300 --> 00:59:25.320
That's just so exciting.

1064
00:59:25.380 --> 00:59:27.539
I don't know, I don't know you've given me options now.

1065
00:59:27.599 --> 00:59:30.360
And every now and again, I'll surprise you, but not today.

1066
00:59:31.199 --> 00:59:32.820
Okay, here we go.

1067
00:59:33.840 --> 00:59:35.400
Oh, no, we ain't doing this.

1068
00:59:35.460 --> 00:59:38.940
I'm sorry, I've got to leave some good DS9ers for the end.

1069
00:59:39.480 --> 00:59:43.019
I mean, considered by many the finest Dips 9 episodes.

1070
00:59:43.079 --> 00:59:48.239
Season one, episode 19, duet, but no, we've done too many good ones.

1071
00:59:48.360 --> 00:59:53.400
We've got to do the middling DSI ones. fair?

1072
00:59:53.460 --> 00:59:54.539
Duet is pretty great.

1073
00:59:54.780 --> 00:59:57.300
It is great, but I've already pressed the button now.

1074
00:59:57.599 --> 01:00:01.199
Your random Star Trek Enterprise episode is season two, episode 16.

1075
01:00:01.679 --> 01:00:02.760
Future tense.

1076
01:00:04.320 --> 01:00:05.820
Oh, I know which one that is.

1077
01:00:06.300 --> 01:00:10.019
That's the one where, um, the, it's like the TARDIS turns up.

1078
01:00:10.139 --> 01:00:12.780
It's a time travelling box that turns up.

1079
01:00:12.840 --> 01:00:14.159
Oh, yes, I've watched that too.

1080
01:00:14.159 --> 01:00:15.360
Recently, yeah.

1081
01:00:15.360 --> 01:00:21.599
Sula Barns, crawling about the ship invisibly, and very boring, I think.

1082
01:00:21.719 --> 01:00:22.199
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1083
01:00:23.099 --> 01:00:30.300
We've just done a boring one. let's do something else Oh, this would have been lovely to do, but we have already done it.

1084
01:00:30.539 --> 01:00:31.559
Original series.

1085
01:00:31.619 --> 01:00:33.719
Season three, episode one, Spock's brain.

1086
01:00:33.780 --> 01:00:34.440
Brilliant.

1087
01:00:34.559 --> 01:00:36.179
Not boring, but terrible.

1088
01:00:37.260 --> 01:00:38.219
Oh, my word.

1089
01:00:38.400 --> 01:00:39.960
Oh this is a possibility.

1090
01:00:40.260 --> 01:00:45.480
Your random Star Trek Voyager episode is season three, episode two, flashback.

1091
01:00:46.679 --> 01:00:49.739
Oh, that's weird, isn't it?

1092
01:00:49.800 --> 01:00:51.119
That's very strange.

1093
01:00:51.239 --> 01:00:52.980
That's the falling child, right?

1094
01:00:53.340 --> 01:00:54.179
It's the fall.

1095
01:00:54.239 --> 01:00:59.099
It's Voyagers version of trials and tribulations, but just nowhere near as good.

1096
01:01:00.119 --> 01:01:02.280
Oh, okay, no, I'm thinking of something else, am I?

1097
01:01:02.639 --> 01:01:03.420
No, no, no.

1098
01:01:03.480 --> 01:01:08.159
It is the one with the falling child, but it's also the one with Sulu and Grace Lee Whitney.

1099
01:01:08.400 --> 01:01:09.119
Oh my god.

1100
01:01:09.360 --> 01:01:11.219
All those years, I'll press it again.

1101
01:01:11.280 --> 01:01:11.699
Don't worry.

1102
01:01:12.000 --> 01:01:13.079
Oh, threshold.

1103
01:01:13.139 --> 01:01:13.440
No.

1104
01:01:13.440 --> 01:01:17.880
Have I got this set to shit or something like what is happening here?

1105
01:01:18.780 --> 01:01:19.320
Now.

1106
01:01:19.380 --> 01:01:20.039
Oh.

1107
01:01:21.119 --> 01:01:28.920
Oh, I'll be really intrigued to see what you think of this, because some part of me thinks you might hate it, and some part of me thinks you might love it.

1108
01:01:29.219 --> 01:01:30.780
Is it nor the best of the strong?

1109
01:01:31.559 --> 01:01:34.260
No, but it is season 5 of GS9?

1110
01:01:34.320 --> 01:01:34.980
Okay, okay.

1111
01:01:35.579 --> 01:01:39.360
It's season five, episode 13 for the uniform.

1112
01:01:40.260 --> 01:01:41.219
Oh, okay.

1113
01:01:41.519 --> 01:01:44.639
So we have done what's the following?

1114
01:01:45.539 --> 01:01:51.659
Blaze of Glory. that's right No, leave me.

1115
01:01:54.840 --> 01:01:57.900
This is the one that sets all that melodrama up.

1116
01:01:58.079 --> 01:01:59.699
I mean, you want melodrama.

1117
01:01:59.760 --> 01:02:01.739
This is got something spades.

1118
01:02:02.280 --> 01:02:07.320
This is the one that ends with him going, all right, Javert, I'll give you what you want.

1119
01:02:07.320 --> 01:02:08.699
Me.

1120
01:02:10.860 --> 01:02:17.340
So he has understood the basic underlying homosexuality of the Valjean Javert relationship, right?

1121
01:02:17.639 --> 01:02:19.199
Absolutely, good.

1122
01:02:19.920 --> 01:02:22.619
And Avery Brooks has never been sexy.

1123
01:02:22.679 --> 01:02:27.719
I mean, he's so angry and he's got his muscles out around the entire.

1124
01:02:30.179 --> 01:02:39.659
I think this is a really, really strong episode in a run of really strong episodes because what comes after this is in Purgatory Shadow, which we've done.

1125
01:02:40.619 --> 01:02:43.739
And before it, I think it's Rapture, which is a great Bajor episode.

1126
01:02:44.219 --> 01:02:45.360
I mean I'm tempted.

1127
01:02:45.420 --> 01:02:48.539
But if you think we've done too much DS night, I can't, let's do it.

1128
01:02:48.659 --> 01:02:49.440
I really wanna do it.

1129
01:02:50.219 --> 01:02:53.579
Yeah, if you want to see Avery Brooks getting his sweat on.

1130
01:02:53.699 --> 01:02:54.960
That's what sold me on it.

1131
01:02:55.500 --> 01:02:56.519
Let's do it.

1132
01:03:03.840 --> 01:03:14.639
You've been listening to untitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford and Nathan Bottomley, where online at Untitled Star Trek Project.com where you can find subscription links and links to our social media accounts.

1133
01:03:15.000 --> 01:03:19.980
Now, podcast artwork is by Kayla Cisrin, and the theme was composed by Cameron Larm.

1134
01:03:20.460 --> 01:03:25.800
This episode was recorded on the 18th of August 2026 and released on the 28th of August.

1135
01:03:25.980 --> 01:03:29.940
We'll see you next time for Star Trek Deep Space 9 for the uniform.

1136
01:03:48.480 --> 01:03:49.800
It is a good one.

1137
01:03:50.039 --> 01:03:50.820
Yeah, okay.

1138
01:03:50.820 --> 01:03:51.719
Do you know what it is?

1139
01:03:51.840 --> 01:03:57.780
Actually, interestingly, it is a Michael Taylor script.

1140
01:03:57.780 --> 01:04:03.960
That, uh, sorry, the writer of, uh, no, sorry, it's a Peter Allen Field script, sorry.

1141
01:04:04.199 --> 01:04:06.539
So it's, I think it's his last one.

1142
01:04:07.019 --> 01:04:13.440
He writes, obviously, duet, necessary evil, a couple of others, and I think this is his last script.

1143
01:04:14.039 --> 01:04:18.059
Um, yeah, it's, yeah. be interesting to see.

1144
01:04:18.420 --> 01:04:22.320
Yeah, let me let me do the file, though, quickly before I have to vacate.