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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So, this is an unusual one this week.

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We are watching an episode of Short Treks.

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This is Short Trek season two, episode four. which 1st went out on the 12th of December 2019, and it's called E-Frame and Dot.

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And it's a strange one, I think.

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Oh, I thought it was magnificent.

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I think this might be the best best Star Trek.

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I've watched this year, if I'm honest.

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I mean, I watched it 3 times in a row. as a love letter to the original series as a piece of experimentation presenting Star Trek as a fucking Warner Brothers cartoon. as a way of confidently shifting tones.

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It's 8 minutes long.

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And it starts off as a documentary and then it becomes a mystery as he discovers the enterprise and then it becomes a, oh my god, I'm being dragged off the ship, action adventure.

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Then when the enterprise blows up.

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It becomes a tragedy and then it becomes a domestic drama.

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It's 8 minutes long.

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And it does all those things so well.

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I think it's astounding.

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This is the 1st animated Star Trek. since the counterclock incident.

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So this predates prodigy and predates lower decks, and there are 2 animated short tracks where they're clearly experimenting with what they can do with animation and whether they can create an animated Star Trek series.

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And what they get right is that it behaves like animation.

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So it has animation style physics, you have e-frame lengthening when she kind of moves.

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What's it called?

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You know, when the legs are in the air when you're running, I was like, oh, and it even goes...

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So they are.

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You said Warner Brothers and they do behave like Warner Brothers cartoon characters and they're mismatched.

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They're kind of like opposites, they're adversaries initially.

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But then they become friends and they help one another, and then they're a family at the end.

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I think the whole thing is so lovely and so well judged.

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And, as you said, it's a love letter to original Star Trek.

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The 1st Star Trek reference is to the man trap with the salt vampire.

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So the very, very 1st episode of original Trek, and then it ends, of course, with the destruction of the original Enterprise in search for Spock.

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And the love that it shows for what we've said before, the weird unloved corners of the franchise.

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Abraham Lincoln came flying out the screen on his chair.

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Yep, absolutely.

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And then the folian web was in there as well.

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Apollo's green hand grabbing the enterprise and then going and trying to get each frame.

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Zulu was there with his rapier as well. you see him?

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Yeah.

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I mean, you say it obeys the rules of cartoons.

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Obviously, there's no dialogue in this.

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The only dialogue we hear is the in dialogue from the episodes is riffing.

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So it's telling that entire story through pictures, but what pictures?

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I mean, it's visually beautiful, this thing.

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And I think money has gone into this because the, the artwork is, it's not only stunning, but it has really impressive movement to it. and it has a scale to it.

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It's artistic.

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It isn't just a cartoon.

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They've really put a lot of effort into how this looks.

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I mean, what did you say?

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The last animated, before this was literally an episode of the animated series.

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Which we've done.

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I mean, the big difference between this and that is they put some effort into this. some money.

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But the music as well.

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I mean, the music is stunning me, beautiful in this.

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And the music is basically the dialogue in this, right?

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It's terrific.

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When the Enterprise 1st appears and it's that enterprise for the 1st time in so long.

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And just the love that you can hear coming through in the soundtrack, the moments where E-Frame and Dot are fighting riff on the music from a mock time, like there's all of this...

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I heard it.

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I think I even heard...

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So good.

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It's so great.

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I need to tell you a little bit of background about who's involved.

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So this is directed by Michael Giacchino, who did the music for Star Trek, Star Trek Into Darkness and Star Trek Beyond, the beautiful theme for those.

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He also wrote the theme for Star Trek prodigy.

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So he's a composer, but he directs this episode.

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There are 2 credited voice actors, the narrator.

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So the guy who's narrating the nature documentary is Kirk Thatcher, who played punk with boombox in Star Trek for the Voyage Home.

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And again, in Star Trek Picard, season two.

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Oh, I said, Scroom, Doom.

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Yep, that one.

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If anyone's confused. is that guy?

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That guy.

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And the Enterprise computer voice is played here and in one other short trek by Jeanette Goldstein, who plays Vazquez in Aliens, Janelle in Terminator 2, and is on the bridge of the Enterprise B at the beginning of generations.

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Were these short trips, did these come out before Discovery?

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So there's 2 seasons of them, and I think one season comes out after season one and one comes out after season two, I think.

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Because the impression I get from this and the others that we've watched is them making expensive adverts saying we're back with a bang and look what we can do.

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That's the impression I get from this.

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It's like, you know, we never could have done this back in the day.

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Look at how good this is.

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But it is experimental.

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There's a few short tricks that I like, you know, little vignettes that then play into the main story of the season coming up.

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There's, you know, Saru.

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We see Saru's Planet, and we see him leave the planet in a way that plays into the season later.

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The princess character that Tilly meets in the 1st episode later appears in the season finale.

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And of course, there's the Trouble with Edward, which is a sort of standalone comedy sketch.

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There's little moments with the Enterprise crew, there's Una and Spock meeting for the 1st time.

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And so they do little bits and pieces, they seem to be left over scenes that haven't made it into an episode, that sort of thing.

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But these 2 cartoon things are really just experimental.

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It's them trying to see what they can do And I think, like, it is possible to see short tracks on Paramount Plus, and it is out on Blu-ray, I think there's maybe 10 of them.

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I think that they're really worth a look.

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I think so too.

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We've done 2 of them so far, but this 3rd one's great too.

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I mean, I'm sorry, I remember some of these short treks we've watched, I've been way better than some of the fucking episodes we've watched.

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I mean, talk about, I talk about a burst of incredible Star Trek.

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I mean I came out of this going.

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Do you know what?

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I want a 90 minute movie like this.

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Like in the water, above a style of Star Trek.

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Never mind what they're producing now.

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Do that for me.

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Oh it was just great.

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I mean, I love these characters far more than half their discovery cast, you know?

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Well, and also the nerve.

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I could just see those original Star Trek pads going, but they didn't have dots. back in TOS.

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What's going on?

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And I was just going rubbing my hands going, yeah, they did.

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You just couldn't see them.

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They were doing all the work off screen. you know?

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Well, and I think that's what Discovery decided because, you know, Discovery set some years before original Star Trek and they have dots on board the ship and so they've decided that there were dots.

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They were all alarmed.

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It couldn't be all these sort of cute Latinos in red shirts doing all the sweeping up.

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No, someone had to do it.

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Yeah, that's right.

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Exactly.

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Alright.

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I think we should go in. do you think?

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Well, I don't know how we're going to it's so fast.

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We've spoken for longer than the episode goes.

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It was basically like, oh, please bear in mind it's me.

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It was basically like having an 8 minute orgasm watching this, all right?

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Which just got better as it went.

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I was exhausted at the end, frankly.

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So fun.

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Yeah, just terrific.

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Oh, let's watch it.

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Come on, let's do it.

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Yeah.

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All right. let's go in.

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I will count us in.

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Five, four, three, two, one and we're off.

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Okay, so we get the uh, Discovery style, uh, you know, little credit card thing, the Is she done an animation, though?

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Yeah, yeah, turns into animation and has eyes, which blink and then head off.

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A from a dot, the movie.

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Come on, we want it.

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It'll be a bit like Wally, you know?

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So this is great too.

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Like, one of the things, like, one of the things that discovery brings to the table is the mycelial network, there was our salt vampire very quickly.

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And here is our tardigrade.

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Now, this is the same sort of thing that absolutely chewed up Ensign Landry, or whatever her name was, Lieutenant Landry.

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Oh, God.

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Best thing you ever did.

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Yeah, yeah, awesome.

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Look at this fabulous sort of scratchy documentary R as well.

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But the way the way Ephraim's animated is so beautiful.

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It's so cute.

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It's so like a dog.

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Look, it snips the air.

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No wonder you love this.

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Did you notice as well?

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The quick x-ray, so we could see the little eggs in his belly, so we don't write straight away, he's pregnant.

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And then we see the Enterprise for the 1st time with the incredible music, and it's been so long since we've seen that enterprise, and then he gets caught up.

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Wowsers, and suddenly we're in colour.

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Yeah, yeah, sharp animation now, and you watch how this, I got to say camera just zooms about now.

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It's so impressive.

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Because Ephraim can move through the mycelial network at warp speed and seems to travel through time, you know, this whole chase lasts all of the run, all of the five-year mission or whatever.

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Here we go.

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And now he's saying, look, trying to get in the hole, but can't quite make it.

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Now he's died.

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Oh, look, he's going around the circle.

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Just that's a shot we wanted from one little ship, wouldn't it?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, exactly.

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It just zaps him.

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So cute.

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He's like, oh, please, I love that episode.

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I need to get in there quick.

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Yeah, it is heaps.

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That corridor is a bit like one little ship, isn't it?

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Oh, look, I love the dots so much.

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Actually, it's a bit smaller, isn't it, unusual?

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Yeah, yeah.

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And look, now they're all covered in the, like, um, the uh, primary coloured uniforms, you know, like they're covered in uniforms.

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Just before we get sucked into the ship.

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He's sort of clawing at the end.

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It's absolutely puppy behaviour.

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But also, like the way that they run, you know, the way that it takes the corner, it overshoots the corner and then rushes back in like Sylvester McCoy in time in the Rani.

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Like, it's absolutely going through paint, cloves, everything is having a terrible time from the enterprise.

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Oh, look at that.

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That's, that's, that's the bit where the dot, I was up his little electro so that he kicks the air to try and get away from.

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Yeah, it's so funny.

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It's so cute And then he got sucked into a pipe.

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Where is he now?

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Engineering?

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Well, I think are we in the warp core?

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Yeah, well, I don't know.

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I think the warmth, is that what allows them to sort of, you know, the eggs to come out of the eggs.

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So that's why it lays its eggs, but that looks like the corridor that you look out along.

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Do you know what I mean?

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that you look out at.

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Um, uh, yeah, that you that you look out at from the engineering set.

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It's it settles down.

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It's lovely and warmer.

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Just like a dog, look, flat out on the floor in the warmest spot.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly.

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Oh, I don't want these lovely colourful eggs popped out.

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I love as well how it just it just leaps forward in time and expects you to keep up.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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No, it's really good.

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It is really great.

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We're so unused to Nali's track for them to giving us any credit of intelligence, but exactly.

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It all has to be as well. expects you to travel and all.

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Oh, when it comes to triples.

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Yeah, we have dribbles.

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No further, says Sulu.

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Oh, that's for the naked time, is it?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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We need shirt off and the thing.

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Like, but we're looking at him through a window. lovely.

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And now...

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He's trying to hide in the liquid.

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Oh no, he's been ejected into space away from his head.

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Again.

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Oh, and then the talk says, live long and prosper.

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Oh, no, this was so sad that the Enterprise warps off.

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We've taken the eggs with him.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And so now it's a chase for the eggs.

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Oh, there's the hand look.

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So that hand is obviously Apollo's hand from who mourns for ad and eyes.

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And obviously we've seen all of these other references.

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So we've seen Space Seed.

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We're in the Tholian web.

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Like all of that stuff is just the most visually interesting and strange.

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Look at this, of the web, as it kind of comes around and you see it in 3D, and then it pulls away from it.

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So impressive.

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Oh, there's Abraham Lincoln massive on the screen.

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No, you see him punching the air?

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Come back.

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For a 2nd we see the reliant attacking.

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So they're reliant from Star Trek 2, Roth of Khan. you know, there's that dog fight, you know, that whole thing.

230
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And now, obviously, we're in the situation from Star Trek 3 where the Enterprise is being destroyed by the Klingons. love the way he kicks at the air.

231
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He's so desperate to get back to his kids.

232
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Oh, I keep saying he is a she.

233
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Sorry.

234
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Well, I don't know.

235
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He frames a boy's name and it is a tardigrade.

236
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Who knows?

237
00:14:55.799 --> 00:14:56.340
I don't know.

238
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Yeah, well, yeah, I don't know what to call them.

239
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Oh there we go.

240
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Now we're going in for a whole breach in the source section.

241
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Yeah.

242
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But...

243
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Yes.

244
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And it's a great business when they 1st made up too.

245
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It's so adorable.

246
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I just love the relationship between them.

247
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It's like, won't you get off my shit, please?

248
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For God's sake.

249
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And then he realises once he's finally got rid of her.

250
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Oh god, there is children.

251
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Oh, and then, of course, the twist at the end where he protects them in his in his chest.

252
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In his little inside thing.

253
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It's so cute.

254
00:15:31.860 --> 00:15:33.059
It's so good.

255
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It's so great.

256
00:15:34.620 --> 00:15:38.519
And it's a kind of Star Treky thing, isn't it?

257
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Do you know what I mean?

258
00:15:39.480 --> 00:15:40.860
It is a Star Treky thing.

259
00:15:40.919 --> 00:15:45.779
These 2 weird, like there's a robot and a weird alien and they're on the margins of things.

260
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You know, the whole of Star Trek's happening around them, while this little thing happens, and they learn to.

261
00:15:52.679 --> 00:15:54.960
It's so like a Disney movie together as well, isn't it?

262
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Do you know what I mean?

263
00:15:56.340 --> 00:15:58.500
Like homeward bound or something like that, you know?

264
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Two things that shouldn't be able to work together that find the way.

265
00:16:02.220 --> 00:16:02.940
It's so lovely.

266
00:16:03.480 --> 00:16:05.220
But it's also, yeah, yeah.

267
00:16:05.279 --> 00:16:07.320
I mean, it is so it's so adorable.

268
00:16:07.440 --> 00:16:08.279
Oh, there we go.

269
00:16:08.279 --> 00:16:11.879
No, what makes me sad is when the enterprise blows up.

270
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Now I know that dog was in there.

271
00:16:15.960 --> 00:16:17.039
No, but it's okay.

272
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He escapes with the babies.

273
00:16:20.039 --> 00:16:22.259
I know, but he didn't think he was going to for a second.

274
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Did you not see that dramatic close-up on his face?

275
00:16:24.480 --> 00:16:25.740
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

276
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Oh, and now look, he's floating through space.

277
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Absolutely mortified.

278
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My children.

279
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I mean, most Star Trek episodes would kill for us to have this kind of emotional connection with the characters.

280
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Oh down goes the ship.

281
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Oh, no.

282
00:16:46.980 --> 00:16:50.039
And I just loved how suddenly the music kind of stopped.

283
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Everything goes quiet, the animation goes slow.

284
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It gauges the mood perfectly.

285
00:16:56.580 --> 00:17:02.639
Yeah, yeah, but also just that confrontation where they made, like, you know, the dot just flies past.

286
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Dude, I floats past.

287
00:17:05.339 --> 00:17:10.440
And then Ephraim grabs it in order to attack it for what it's done and it goes, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

288
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And then we see the babies.

289
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I mean it's so adorable.

290
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Oh, look, now the little pape is flowing around his head. was sitting on his eye.

291
00:17:18.960 --> 00:17:21.359
He reminds me about that little runabout we had the other week.

292
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Yeah, but look how adorable.

293
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There's lots of them.

294
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The adipose, you're out.

295
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The Tardy Braves are in.

296
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Off to new adventures.

297
00:17:33.660 --> 00:17:37.500
Oh, they're like laughing little tiny turtles sort of jumping up and down.

298
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Oh, does I have to end?

299
00:17:42.599 --> 00:17:44.759
No, please. come back.

300
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What happened next?

301
00:17:47.819 --> 00:17:48.779
and have great adventures.

302
00:17:48.960 --> 00:17:49.680
Yes, they did.

303
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I hope so.

304
00:17:50.339 --> 00:17:51.420
They did. absolutely.

305
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That was their hate.

306
00:17:52.319 --> 00:17:57.240
It's not the, oh, no, that's not the, I'd agree that enslaved the discoveries.

307
00:17:59.579 --> 00:18:01.559
That would be a very mini style.

308
00:18:01.559 --> 00:18:03.180
This happens much later than that, of course.

309
00:18:03.839 --> 00:18:05.819
The music is by Michael Giacchino, by the way.

310
00:18:05.880 --> 00:18:08.880
It just said, we just have the click credits, so he did the music for this too.

311
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I'll say one thing.

312
00:18:11.279 --> 00:18:14.460
Watching this without the music, which we have just done.

313
00:18:14.519 --> 00:18:26.220
There's a whole layer of that missing because the music really guides you through this in terms of pace, in terms of emotion, I thought it was a beautiful, beautiful score.

314
00:18:26.339 --> 00:18:27.359
Just what a lovely thing.

315
00:18:28.079 --> 00:18:29.579
Yeah, just wonderful, isn't it?

316
00:18:30.000 --> 00:18:33.900
That's one of the things, you know, one of the things that I've loved about Kurtzman Trek.

317
00:18:33.960 --> 00:18:43.140
Like the sheer scope of Berman Trek, the 100s of episodes, the world building, everything that it created, everything that it left behind.

318
00:18:43.200 --> 00:18:45.420
Like it's, it's huge and important.

319
00:18:45.599 --> 00:18:49.140
But what this one did was just a bunch of weird things.

320
00:18:49.200 --> 00:18:50.039
Do you know what I mean?

321
00:18:50.099 --> 00:18:52.079
It's so much weirder and so much stranger.

322
00:18:52.380 --> 00:18:58.980
There's a real kind of embarrassment about original track that's present, I think, in Star Trek, The Next Generation.

323
00:18:59.400 --> 00:19:03.420
Whereas this absolutely embraces original...

324
00:19:03.420 --> 00:19:05.819
Stops to go away a bit when Ron Moore gets involved.

325
00:19:05.940 --> 00:19:06.720
That's true.

326
00:19:07.740 --> 00:19:08.519
You are right.

327
00:19:08.819 --> 00:19:14.880
I mean, there's an embarrassment to not look at the stuff that people didn't like about TOS, which you're right.

328
00:19:14.940 --> 00:19:17.039
Kurtzman Trek just goes, bring it on, baby.

329
00:19:17.220 --> 00:19:17.940
Come on.

330
00:19:18.000 --> 00:19:21.539
We wanted Abraham Lincoln in a chair, make him as big as possible.

331
00:19:22.380 --> 00:19:24.900
He seems to be bigger than the Enterprise in that shot.

332
00:19:25.559 --> 00:19:29.039
It hit the screen. as relevant as anything else. all right?

333
00:19:29.160 --> 00:19:29.819
That's it.

334
00:19:29.880 --> 00:19:33.240
Oh, because we didn't mention the doomsday machine as well, of course.

335
00:19:33.900 --> 00:19:34.799
We were just in it.

336
00:19:34.859 --> 00:19:37.859
Yeah, well, that's when the music hit..

337
00:19:39.119 --> 00:19:41.099
Boy, I mean, now, listen, I don't want to be too rude.

338
00:19:41.160 --> 00:19:43.079
I'm going to be rude in both directions. okay?

339
00:19:43.380 --> 00:19:46.259
You just mentioned, you know, 100s of episodes of Berman track, yeah?

340
00:19:46.440 --> 00:19:55.740
Somehow, astonishingly, Ephram a dot managed to have in 8 minutes more innovation and experimentation than in that entire 700 episode run.

341
00:19:59.339 --> 00:20:17.339
But then it is, but I'm now going to look in the other direction and say, oh, I haven't watched the latest series of Strange New Worlds, but what I'm seeing is an awful lot of gimmicks coming out of that show at the moment and not a lot of consistent storytelling, which perhaps they did earlier on in the run.

342
00:20:17.400 --> 00:20:24.960
Now, I think this is the perfect way to do gimmicks, the short treks as like short, punchy, what the hell can we do?

343
00:20:25.019 --> 00:20:25.559
lets have a go.

344
00:20:25.619 --> 00:20:26.940
And then, of course, where did they take this?

345
00:20:27.000 --> 00:20:28.440
Then they did an animated show.

346
00:20:28.500 --> 00:20:30.180
They were like, this has potential.

347
00:20:30.420 --> 00:20:31.680
Let's do it.

348
00:20:31.740 --> 00:20:32.160
Yeah.

349
00:20:32.759 --> 00:20:33.960
Oh, they should have done more.

350
00:20:34.740 --> 00:20:36.359
That seems one.5 ain't enough.

351
00:20:36.839 --> 00:20:37.980
No, absolutely not.

352
00:20:45.420 --> 00:20:50.099
All right, it's the end of the episode and it's time for us to work out where we're going next.

353
00:20:50.460 --> 00:20:55.740
So this was your choice, and so it's my turn.

354
00:20:55.980 --> 00:21:01.380
We've had 2 goes at Kurtzman Trek. over the last 2 episodes.

355
00:21:01.680 --> 00:21:08.220
So let's go back to the 90s and I am going to take a leaf out of your book.

356
00:21:08.640 --> 00:21:12.420
It's all of the 90s shows. shows.

357
00:21:12.960 --> 00:21:20.039
Oh, it was so tense there, I think, and you were just going to choose enterprise. as you usually do. until I get an enterprise.

358
00:21:20.880 --> 00:21:23.339
But we're leaving an IP Space 9.

359
00:21:23.339 --> 00:21:24.480
Deep Space 9.

360
00:21:25.019 --> 00:21:27.420
I don't care around for what the percentages are.

361
00:21:28.319 --> 00:21:29.039
They're pretty good.

362
00:21:29.279 --> 00:21:31.019
I'm pretty good, all right. see how we go.

363
00:21:32.220 --> 00:21:38.400
Your random Star Trek Voyager episode is season five, episode eight, nothing human.

364
00:21:39.900 --> 00:21:41.640
Oh, so tedious.

365
00:21:41.819 --> 00:21:42.720
Oh my word.

366
00:21:43.380 --> 00:21:44.220
Yeah, yeah.

367
00:21:44.279 --> 00:21:53.579
It's that one where Balana Torres gets some weird sort of plastic alien, stuck to her chest, and it's about a blood transfer, it's very boring.

368
00:21:53.759 --> 00:21:54.420
Oh okay.

369
00:21:54.779 --> 00:22:02.339
It's the kind of episode that Star Trek Strange New World should do instead of having an imaginative and concept episode every week.

370
00:22:02.700 --> 00:22:04.920
Instead of getting fucked off their faces.

371
00:22:04.980 --> 00:22:08.759
They should be, yeah, having plastic aliens strapped to their tits.

372
00:22:08.819 --> 00:22:10.440
More medical procedures is what we were.

373
00:22:11.160 --> 00:22:11.519
Okay.

374
00:22:11.819 --> 00:22:13.019
I'll try another one.

375
00:22:14.940 --> 00:22:19.079
Ah, your random Star Trek, the Next Generation episode is season seven.

376
00:22:20.279 --> 00:22:22.200
Of course, of course it is.

377
00:22:23.279 --> 00:22:24.180
Attached.

378
00:22:25.380 --> 00:22:26.160
Attached.

379
00:22:26.279 --> 00:22:29.460
Oh, boy, that's the Picard and Beverly Crusher one, isn't it?

380
00:22:29.519 --> 00:22:35.160
Yeah, where they're joined together. down on the planet. and what's her name in numb 39 steps.

381
00:22:35.640 --> 00:22:40.200
And they sort of want to explore this, but they still can't fucking commit.

382
00:22:40.740 --> 00:22:48.059
Even though there's only 18 episodes left after this. they're going to show you in the finale that they were married.

383
00:22:48.539 --> 00:22:50.519
Yeah, yeah, yeah, still can't do it.

384
00:22:50.759 --> 00:22:52.440
No, they can't bring themselves to do it.

385
00:22:53.099 --> 00:22:54.779
It's a bit nothing, I think.

386
00:22:55.740 --> 00:22:56.279
It is.

387
00:22:56.579 --> 00:22:57.240
Roll again.

388
00:22:57.299 --> 00:22:57.599
Come on.

389
00:22:57.960 --> 00:22:59.279
Well, I think we could do better than that.

390
00:22:59.400 --> 00:22:59.819
Okay.

391
00:23:02.160 --> 00:23:02.759
Here we go.

392
00:23:03.900 --> 00:23:18.660
Your random Star Trek Enterprise episode is season four, episode 12, Babel one, which is obviously a kind of weird prequel to Journey to Babel, which is a classic TOS episode with Sarik in it.

393
00:23:18.720 --> 00:23:20.519
I think it's the 1st episode with Sarik in it.

394
00:23:20.700 --> 00:23:31.740
I have actually watched it recently because I can't remember why it must have been for background or something or because I was curious, and it is very boring. and so I am going to...

395
00:23:33.599 --> 00:23:37.019
Another Star Trek Enterprise episode.

396
00:23:37.019 --> 00:23:45.299
Ending in the word one, again, your random Star Trek Enterprise episode is season one, episode 16, shuttle pod one.

397
00:23:45.660 --> 00:23:47.099
No, very boring.

398
00:23:47.160 --> 00:23:47.940
No, no, no.

399
00:23:48.000 --> 00:23:51.779
Kai Bosh, that is Trip and what's his name?

400
00:23:51.839 --> 00:23:56.220
Malcolm Reid down on the planet trying to fuck as many women as possible.

401
00:23:56.279 --> 00:23:58.440
It's sex comedy of the worst kind.

402
00:23:58.740 --> 00:23:59.880
Yeah, awful.

403
00:23:59.940 --> 00:24:00.779
Can't be having that.

404
00:24:01.019 --> 00:24:02.279
Okay, whatever this one is.

405
00:24:02.819 --> 00:24:03.240
Okay.

406
00:24:03.720 --> 00:24:04.859
This is actually a good one.

407
00:24:05.579 --> 00:24:12.359
It's your random Star Trek, The Next Generation episode is season four, episode nine, final mission.

408
00:24:13.500 --> 00:24:14.940
Oh my god, how strange.

409
00:24:15.599 --> 00:24:18.240
We're crushing on a desert planet in a shuttlecraft.

410
00:24:18.599 --> 00:24:20.819
Yeah, I do think this is very good.

411
00:24:21.599 --> 00:24:27.720
It's a bit oddly paced, but I think I've often talked, don't I, about Will Wheaton and Patrick Stewart together?

412
00:24:28.319 --> 00:24:31.500
And why do you feel the chemistry between them in this one?

413
00:24:32.160 --> 00:24:34.920
Yeah, I think that would be nice because it's an important one.

414
00:24:35.099 --> 00:24:35.880
Yeah, yeah.

415
00:24:36.359 --> 00:24:42.299
I actually think it's visually quite good as well, this one, because they genuinely go out a desert.

416
00:24:42.539 --> 00:24:46.200
They genuinely go outside and they don't just go outside. go somewhere really good.

417
00:24:46.259 --> 00:24:50.640
So they make a real attempt to create something visually interesting.

418
00:24:51.599 --> 00:24:53.400
What's happening with everybody else on that one?

419
00:24:53.460 --> 00:24:54.420
don't remember at all.

420
00:24:55.019 --> 00:24:56.640
No, I don't think there's a B plot.

421
00:24:57.660 --> 00:24:58.680
Oh, is it just them?

422
00:24:58.740 --> 00:25:00.000
Everyone else has the week off.

423
00:25:00.180 --> 00:25:00.660
Maybe.

424
00:25:00.720 --> 00:25:01.740
Oh, that never happens.

425
00:25:02.099 --> 00:25:03.599
There's probably a party at the start.

426
00:25:03.720 --> 00:25:04.740
Goodbye, Wesley.

427
00:25:04.799 --> 00:25:05.279
Yeah, yeah.

428
00:25:05.579 --> 00:25:06.720
Enjoy your time at the academy.

429
00:25:07.079 --> 00:25:07.859
Almost certainly.

430
00:25:07.920 --> 00:25:08.579
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

431
00:25:08.640 --> 00:25:09.599
That sounds possible.

432
00:25:09.660 --> 00:25:11.700
Well, are you prepared to have your heart broken?

433
00:25:12.119 --> 00:25:15.900
My father and son, or not quite father and son, separating.

434
00:25:16.619 --> 00:25:17.160
A bit.

435
00:25:17.220 --> 00:25:18.359
But we know they'll both be back.

436
00:25:18.599 --> 00:25:19.920
We know they'll both be back.

437
00:25:20.460 --> 00:25:21.599
So it'll be fine.

438
00:25:22.019 --> 00:25:28.920
Eventually, Wesley will be a hippie and then whatever he's doing in Kurtzman Trek popping about the universe with the traveller.

439
00:25:28.980 --> 00:25:31.079
Yeah, being Doctor Who, essentially, I think.

440
00:25:40.319 --> 00:25:44.339
We've been listening to entitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford and Nathan Bottomley.

441
00:25:44.400 --> 00:25:50.519
We're online at untitledstar trekproject.com where you can find subscription links and links to our social media accounts.

442
00:25:50.880 --> 00:25:55.680
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Ciceran and the theme was composed by Cameron Lamb.

443
00:25:55.980 --> 00:26:01.079
This episode was recorded on the 18th of August 2026 and released on the 21st of August.

444
00:26:01.559 --> 00:26:05.519
We'll see you next time for Star Trek the Next Generation, final mission.

445
00:26:24.539 --> 00:26:28.799
Always now saying that Short Trek is perhaps the pinnacle of Star Trek.

446
00:26:29.579 --> 00:26:31.799
Wow, we went to not dying with a red thing.

447
00:26:31.859 --> 00:26:32.460
That's it.

448
00:26:32.519 --> 00:26:33.059
All right.

449
00:26:33.119 --> 00:26:37.619
So we're now going to do 7 more episodes for title of Star Trek Project, and then we're winding it up.

450
00:26:38.880 --> 00:26:39.539
That's right.

451
00:26:39.599 --> 00:26:40.440
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

452
00:26:40.680 --> 00:26:41.940
Nothing else will be as good.

453
00:26:42.000 --> 00:26:42.299
Good.

454
00:26:42.359 --> 00:26:45.000
Well, yeah, but when we have to watch stuff like threshold.

455
00:26:45.299 --> 00:26:46.680
We made that way through threshold.

456
00:26:46.740 --> 00:26:47.039
It was fine.

457
00:26:48.900 --> 00:26:50.940
Oh, yeah, we've done a percentage of the worst.

458
00:26:51.779 --> 00:26:53.279
Still some to come though, all right.

459
00:26:53.339 --> 00:26:56.339
But gosh, joyous. absolutely joyous.

460
00:26:56.579 --> 00:27:07.200
Like I said, I watched it 3 times on the bounce because I just wanted to get all the references and I just wanted to have just a bit more time with these 2 lovely characters. adorable.

461
00:27:09.180 --> 00:27:09.779
All right.

462
00:27:10.680 --> 00:27:12.299
So I'm going to push back on that.

463
00:27:12.480 --> 00:27:13.380
I know it's so good.

464
00:27:13.619 --> 00:27:17.400
I'm going to push back on the gimmicks thing because that's the thing that annoys me, right?

465
00:27:17.460 --> 00:27:27.720
And I said, like, everyone, everyone who thinks that uh, 26 episode seasons are better than 10 episode seasons should be forced to watch the bonding because...

466
00:27:27.720 --> 00:27:35.220
Not because it's a dreadful episode because it's not, but because it's utterly unmemorable.

467
00:27:35.220 --> 00:27:38.700
And, um, they're the ones that they're not making.

468
00:27:38.700 --> 00:27:43.200
They're making the ones that we remember is basically what they're doing.

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And they're doing the high concept ones.

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And I think, you know, if it's not a gimmick, it's we're taking an ambassador to Pacifica, you know, and I just sort of think we've seen that a 100 times.