WEBVTT NOTE This transcript was created on 2026-08-13 at 21:41:09 1 00:00:23.039 --> 00:00:25.320 Hey, Joe. Hi. 2 00:00:26.100 --> 00:00:37.439 So, this week, we're watching an episode of Star Trek Lower Decks, and it is season two, episode seven, 1st broadcast on the 23rd of September 2021. 3 00:00:38.219 --> 00:00:40.979 It's where Pleasant Fountains lie. 4 00:00:42.299 --> 00:00:44.880 I would have called it Kingdom Come. 5 00:00:45.899 --> 00:00:48.960 It is actually a much ruder title than you think. 6 00:00:49.079 --> 00:00:55.500 There are a number of titles of Star Trek episodes that are taken from Shakespeare, obviously. 7 00:00:55.920 --> 00:01:00.719 This is a quote from his narrative poem, Venus and Adonis. 8 00:01:00.780 --> 00:01:04.620 So we have a couple of Shakespeare poems apart from his plays. 9 00:01:05.099 --> 00:01:07.859 The Rape of Lucreus is one and Venus and Adonis is the other one. 10 00:01:08.219 --> 00:01:15.599 Venus is trying to seduce Adonis, who is a beautiful young man, but he's not interested, and we don't know why, but he's a big gay, isn't he? 11 00:01:16.980 --> 00:01:27.900 And in this part of the poem, she imagines that she's a park and that he's a deer who is playing in the park. 12 00:01:27.900 --> 00:01:29.760 And this is what Venus says to him. 13 00:01:31.980 --> 00:01:41.579 Fondling, she saith, since I have hemmed thee here within the circuit of this ivory pale, I'll be a park, and thou shalt be my dear. 14 00:01:42.480 --> 00:01:55.739 Feed where thou wilt, on mountain or in dale, graze on my lips, and if those hills be dry, stray lower, where the pleasant fountains lie. 15 00:01:58.980 --> 00:01:59.819 So naughty. 16 00:02:00.120 --> 00:02:02.700 Yeah, it's about her downstairs area. 17 00:02:03.180 --> 00:02:05.280 That's interesting, but... 18 00:02:05.400 --> 00:02:12.840 The creators of lower decks have inserted a pun about cunnolingus to this episode. 19 00:02:13.800 --> 00:02:15.360 They absolutely have done that. 20 00:02:15.719 --> 00:02:16.139 Yes. 21 00:02:20.159 --> 00:02:23.039 It comes a time when you don't know that you're watching Star Trek anymore. 22 00:02:23.520 --> 00:02:24.599 Yes, that's it. 23 00:02:24.659 --> 00:02:26.280 What has happened to the Magic of Star Trek? 24 00:02:26.460 --> 00:02:28.319 No wonder it's so sexless. 25 00:02:30.780 --> 00:02:33.419 This is no way sex was, but it was fabulous. 26 00:02:35.639 --> 00:02:44.099 It's one of the few Star Trek episodes I've watched, you know, and oddly, for a cartoon where I started having very unusual feelings at certain parts of the episodes. 27 00:02:44.280 --> 00:02:48.240 I mean, we'll discuss it when we get, we've got sex therapy for me today, you know? 28 00:02:48.419 --> 00:02:49.740 We talk about this. 29 00:02:50.460 --> 00:02:52.919 I think I might be more fluid than our fool. 30 00:02:54.780 --> 00:02:56.400 So we have 2 plants here. 31 00:02:56.639 --> 00:02:58.620 The plot against the title. 32 00:02:58.680 --> 00:03:05.400 So we'll call that the A plot is the chief engineer, Andy Billips, who is played by Paul Sheer. 33 00:03:06.120 --> 00:03:16.439 You might know him from the good place, where he plays a member of the Good Place committee towards the end of the final season. 34 00:03:17.099 --> 00:03:18.120 Oh, yeah. 35 00:03:18.719 --> 00:03:21.300 He's also in a bunch of episodes of Fresh off the boat. 36 00:03:21.360 --> 00:03:23.460 He's sort of regular on fresh off the boat. 37 00:03:23.699 --> 00:03:27.060 He's there, hop nobbing it with Lisa Cuttrow, isn't he? 38 00:03:27.060 --> 00:03:28.319 The whole teams at the end. 39 00:03:28.800 --> 00:03:30.479 So remember the people at the end? 40 00:03:30.539 --> 00:03:31.680 They're really annoying one. 41 00:03:31.740 --> 00:03:32.819 They're like the Democrats. 42 00:03:32.879 --> 00:03:39.840 You know, they're like well-intentioned, but they constantly want to compromise and can't actually get anything done. and so he's one of them. 43 00:03:40.379 --> 00:03:49.740 And he is married to June, Diane Rafael, who I 1st saw in Grace and Frankie, but again, like him, she's super famous as a massively big career. 44 00:03:50.340 --> 00:03:54.780 Those 2 are married, and of course, June, Diane Raphael plays his mother in this. 45 00:03:54.900 --> 00:03:56.280 Oh, is that the queen? 46 00:03:56.340 --> 00:03:58.439 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 47 00:03:58.560 --> 00:03:59.039 Was her name? 48 00:03:59.219 --> 00:04:01.020 June, Diane Raphael. 49 00:04:01.080 --> 00:04:06.719 I mean, it's the perfect English name for the most English performance is American. 50 00:04:07.800 --> 00:04:11.039 I'll salute her then for her upper crossness. 51 00:04:11.759 --> 00:04:12.539 This episode. 52 00:04:12.599 --> 00:04:13.080 Hello. 53 00:04:15.780 --> 00:04:25.259 I mean, I say, the savage takedown of the English in a number of very, very well written gags and observations in this episode. 54 00:04:25.920 --> 00:04:31.019 You have to be an Englishman to truly appreciate how much you're being insulted. 55 00:04:32.819 --> 00:04:36.300 And of course, the great thing about it is that it plays with genre. 56 00:04:36.300 --> 00:04:39.839 And so, you know, it's a fantasy genre thing. 57 00:04:39.899 --> 00:04:46.920 So their spaceship is powered by dragon breath instead of, I don't know what, you know, EPS conduits or something. 58 00:04:47.220 --> 00:04:48.420 And so... 59 00:04:48.420 --> 00:04:49.800 Taken care of by the blacksmiths. 60 00:04:49.800 --> 00:04:52.379 The blacksmiths, yeah. exactly right. 61 00:04:52.439 --> 00:04:53.100 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 62 00:04:53.160 --> 00:04:54.779 And so all of that's terribly fun. 63 00:04:54.839 --> 00:05:06.660 And Billips's mother is trying to trick him into having sex, because if he loses his virginity, he will have to take his rightful place as king of his planet. 64 00:05:06.660 --> 00:05:11.699 That is just a perfect lower decks premise. right? 65 00:05:11.819 --> 00:05:13.139 It's a bit cheeky. 66 00:05:13.199 --> 00:05:14.279 It's a bit edgy. 67 00:05:14.339 --> 00:05:15.660 It's hilarious. 68 00:05:15.660 --> 00:05:19.259 And it tells us something about the characters by the end as well. 69 00:05:19.740 --> 00:05:26.639 It's really sweet, and that's the one that, of course, that Tendy and Rutherford are in there in that plot. 70 00:05:26.699 --> 00:05:34.319 And meanwhile, the B plot has Mariner and Boimler escorting Agamus, the evil computer. 71 00:05:35.279 --> 00:05:36.180 That's right, yeah. 72 00:05:36.180 --> 00:05:39.959 Who is played, of course, by Jeffrey Coombs. 73 00:05:40.319 --> 00:05:42.959 The man of a 1000 voices and parts. 74 00:05:43.920 --> 00:05:57.300 Well, he just very definitely is here to sound like Jeffrey Coombs, you know, like it's kind of like, so the viewers at home know that we've got Jeffrey Coombs here, but he does an exaggerated cartoon voice for Agamus. 75 00:05:57.300 --> 00:05:58.800 And he's terrific. 76 00:05:58.860 --> 00:06:01.620 He's obviously back later in the run of the show. 77 00:06:01.740 --> 00:06:04.139 I think we've already seen him in fact in an episode. 78 00:06:04.500 --> 00:06:07.500 That's a spin line between Agamus and Wayoon, all right? 79 00:06:07.560 --> 00:06:09.540 Because Wayu could be a bit comic book as well. 80 00:06:09.839 --> 00:06:10.500 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 81 00:06:10.500 --> 00:06:11.639 And that's what I would. 82 00:06:11.699 --> 00:06:24.360 I mean, I was seeing Wayne's face, but I was just watching that flashy box, manipulate and cajole, poor Boimler, or something, into betraying Mariner. 83 00:06:24.420 --> 00:06:25.379 Oh, it was just heaven. 84 00:06:25.800 --> 00:06:26.339 So good. 85 00:06:26.399 --> 00:06:27.180 It's so good. 86 00:06:27.240 --> 00:06:29.699 And we've made fun of Landrew before, haven't we? 87 00:06:29.759 --> 00:06:31.379 So Landry, remember the computer? 88 00:06:31.439 --> 00:06:40.560 I can't remember the name of the original series episode and he has control over the planet and we actually go back to that planet and discovered that they've gone back to worshipping land true. 89 00:06:40.620 --> 00:06:43.259 Again, when we go there for 2nd contact. 90 00:06:43.319 --> 00:06:43.920 Nomads. 91 00:06:43.980 --> 00:06:45.240 We've seen a few of these already. 92 00:06:45.540 --> 00:06:46.680 Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. 93 00:06:46.860 --> 00:06:53.519 And so it turns out there's a whole annex in the Daystrom Institute that's just full of maniacal computers. 94 00:06:56.819 --> 00:06:59.879 There's 1000s that are fucking fingers in these little prisons. 95 00:07:01.560 --> 00:07:03.420 They're all just telling each other off. 96 00:07:03.839 --> 00:07:07.560 You couldn't take down the federation if your mother depended on it and all this. 97 00:07:08.040 --> 00:07:10.139 I was like, come on. 98 00:07:10.920 --> 00:07:12.540 It's so, so funny. 99 00:07:12.600 --> 00:07:20.100 But there's absolutely a character Fred running through that plot as well of mariner, thinking Boyem's not ready for stuff. 100 00:07:20.160 --> 00:07:24.300 And Boyemla pulling the rug at the last minute and proving that he is. 101 00:07:24.420 --> 00:07:25.620 It's great stuff. 102 00:07:26.040 --> 00:07:32.699 And also, I think there's still, there's still that thing about Mariner being slightly hurt about Boemer going to the Titan. 103 00:07:33.240 --> 00:07:34.560 And... 104 00:07:34.680 --> 00:07:36.240 Oh, stop going on about the Titan. 105 00:07:36.300 --> 00:07:37.319 She says at one point. 106 00:07:37.379 --> 00:07:38.040 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 107 00:07:38.220 --> 00:07:41.339 But she was genuinely hurt and genuinely at a loss when that happened. 108 00:07:41.579 --> 00:07:43.319 So that's kind of nice. 109 00:07:43.680 --> 00:07:45.300 It's so tight this show. 110 00:07:45.420 --> 00:07:46.500 It's so tight. 111 00:07:46.560 --> 00:07:48.540 Every time we go back, I'm reminded. 112 00:07:48.600 --> 00:07:58.980 You can do these episodes in 25 minutes with 2 plots without scrimping on the development or the incident or the enjoyment. 113 00:07:59.939 --> 00:08:05.040 I'm starting to wonder, you know, if this sort of 45, 50 minute Star Trek is that's the wrong approach, you know? 114 00:08:05.759 --> 00:08:10.019 Just give me one massive hit of Star Trek nursing 25 minutes. 115 00:08:10.259 --> 00:08:11.100 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 116 00:08:11.160 --> 00:08:16.439 Well, I mean, nowadays, you know, Strangely Worlds is basically an hour long every week. 117 00:08:17.040 --> 00:08:17.939 Yeah, too long. 118 00:08:18.000 --> 00:08:18.360 Sorry. 119 00:08:18.420 --> 00:08:22.980 I mean, I love it, but yeah, I love 25 minutes, an hour. 120 00:08:23.040 --> 00:08:24.300 I'm kind of going, oh, really? 121 00:08:24.360 --> 00:08:24.600 Okay. 122 00:08:25.079 --> 00:08:27.180 You just can't get bored in 25 minutes. 123 00:08:27.540 --> 00:08:29.939 It's so quick the way it moves. 124 00:08:30.720 --> 00:08:34.860 And because it is a cartoon, you know, the gags just keep coming. 125 00:08:35.220 --> 00:08:43.500 And they've got to a point now where, I mean, I think there was moments in series one where they were feeling their way in with some of these guys. how far can we go with this? 126 00:08:43.799 --> 00:08:45.299 Have we gone far enough with that? 127 00:08:45.299 --> 00:08:48.600 But series 2, I just feel like they just know what they're doing. 128 00:08:48.720 --> 00:08:53.279 I watched this and I messaged you afterwards and said there wasn't one part of that that wasn't brilliant. 129 00:08:53.340 --> 00:08:58.620 There wasn't one part of that where the line between being affectionate and taking the piss. 130 00:08:58.860 --> 00:09:01.799 It was an absolutely spot on. 131 00:09:01.980 --> 00:09:02.879 I love it. 132 00:09:02.940 --> 00:09:03.840 I just love this show. 133 00:09:04.200 --> 00:09:06.299 This might be my favourite Kurtzman show, you know? 134 00:09:06.539 --> 00:09:07.200 Yeah, yeah. 135 00:09:07.259 --> 00:09:09.240 It's maybe my favourite Star Trek. 136 00:09:09.299 --> 00:09:11.940 I mean, just because... 137 00:09:11.940 --> 00:09:14.399 It would take a lot to defrone DS9 for me. 138 00:09:14.940 --> 00:09:15.600 Yeah, yeah. 139 00:09:15.659 --> 00:09:27.240 But, you know, like there is the speed and the fun and the just ability to take it sort of further than anything else while remaining incredibly true to kind of the spirit of Star Trek. 140 00:09:27.480 --> 00:09:40.919 And, you know, I was just thinking of you when, uh, they're going to bury Agamus or something and, um, boy, I'm objects and Marinico's stupid Starfleet ethics or something. just thought of you. 141 00:09:42.480 --> 00:09:44.639 Oh, sorry every week, you know, all this thing. 142 00:09:46.860 --> 00:09:53.519 The only way, the only way lower decks, unfortunately, can't happen, can it, is if I sat down and watched it with my mother. 143 00:09:53.879 --> 00:09:55.259 But I can't do that. 144 00:09:55.320 --> 00:10:01.740 No, sorry, it will always be a DSLide, but in terms of watching on me own, I mean, it's just blissful. 145 00:10:01.799 --> 00:10:06.539 I mean, I don't really know what to say about this episode beyond that was great. 146 00:10:06.659 --> 00:10:07.200 That was great. 147 00:10:07.259 --> 00:10:10.259 I'm gonna try and be more specific than that. 148 00:10:10.679 --> 00:10:12.480 But guys, it's great. 149 00:10:12.539 --> 00:10:13.320 It's just great. 150 00:10:15.720 --> 00:10:18.120 All right, on that, I think we should go in. 151 00:10:18.899 --> 00:10:20.159 Yeah, it makes sense. 152 00:10:20.220 --> 00:10:21.299 Refreshing change, you know. 153 00:10:21.360 --> 00:10:27.179 Usually we slag something off for 15 minutes and then go, well, all right, then. 154 00:10:27.720 --> 00:10:29.460 Now we're like, yes, let's go. 155 00:10:30.419 --> 00:10:30.840 Yeah. 156 00:10:31.259 --> 00:10:31.679 Yeah. 157 00:10:31.740 --> 00:10:38.159 Let's hope we don't run out of things to say that aren't just, it's great because I won't say that. 158 00:10:38.340 --> 00:10:39.539 I'm gonna say it all the way through. 159 00:10:39.840 --> 00:10:42.360 I've got to start quoting Shakespeare back at you, right? 160 00:10:43.980 --> 00:10:44.639 All right. 161 00:10:44.940 --> 00:10:46.019 I'll count it in. 162 00:10:46.740 --> 00:10:52.200 Five, four, three, two, one, and we are off. 163 00:10:52.200 --> 00:10:58.019 Can I tell you something that always shocks me when a lower deck episode starts. 164 00:10:58.320 --> 00:11:01.500 I take a 2nd to remind myself it's a cartoon. 165 00:11:02.100 --> 00:11:07.139 They always open on a shot of the ship and for a 2nd I'm convinced I'm watching live action. 166 00:11:07.200 --> 00:11:08.220 It's so good. 167 00:11:08.460 --> 00:11:12.539 It's really great So here we are and we're on this planet. 168 00:11:12.899 --> 00:11:20.399 These guys, this guy's called Momol, and they have been worshipping Agamus, even though the guy doesn't admit it. 169 00:11:20.639 --> 00:11:23.639 And I think this is just... is on the wall, right? 170 00:11:23.639 --> 00:11:24.179 With guys. 171 00:11:24.419 --> 00:11:25.379 Yeah, it was very cute. 172 00:11:25.500 --> 00:11:26.940 They've got fucking eyebrows. 173 00:11:27.000 --> 00:11:28.200 I mean look at these aliens. 174 00:11:28.440 --> 00:11:29.399 They're great, aren't they? 175 00:11:29.460 --> 00:11:32.100 It's from the Michael West 4 scrapbook, isn't it? 176 00:11:32.159 --> 00:11:32.700 Yeah, yeah. 177 00:11:33.360 --> 00:11:43.080 I keep thinking about how aliens are done now that Michael Westmore's not involved because Michael Westmore is just sort of various wide American people with latex on their foreheads and stuff. 178 00:11:43.320 --> 00:11:45.120 Oh, happy days, nation. 179 00:11:45.240 --> 00:11:45.659 Yeah. 180 00:11:46.080 --> 00:11:46.740 Oh, no. 181 00:11:46.919 --> 00:11:50.159 I'm being sophisticated and dull these days with the makeup. 182 00:11:50.700 --> 00:11:51.840 These guys look really good. 183 00:11:51.899 --> 00:11:53.340 I mean, these guys look good. 184 00:11:53.399 --> 00:11:55.440 Well, that's because he's ripping up Michael Westman. 185 00:11:55.500 --> 00:11:57.059 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. 186 00:11:58.139 --> 00:12:01.679 So, and now he's the he's the A-plant. 187 00:12:02.100 --> 00:12:07.919 Um, and we're about to see um, we're about to see Billips's mother on the screen. 188 00:12:09.360 --> 00:12:13.259 I was about to say, why is that birdman on the bridge, but of course he's the counsellor, isn't he? 189 00:12:13.320 --> 00:12:14.220 Of course he's on the bridge. 190 00:12:14.460 --> 00:12:15.539 Yeah, yeah, yeah. right. 191 00:12:15.600 --> 00:12:16.799 He's on that. 192 00:12:18.539 --> 00:12:21.240 She's dressed up like Queen Elizabeth. 193 00:12:21.299 --> 00:12:22.379 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 194 00:12:22.860 --> 00:12:33.059 So yeah, they even used, they even say that it was like a planet that has dragons on it and so it was settled by various people, Ren fair people, like Renaissance fair people. 195 00:12:33.720 --> 00:12:34.919 Yeah. 196 00:12:35.039 --> 00:12:37.740 Dragons, Renaissance, I see you lower decks, all right? 197 00:12:38.639 --> 00:12:49.139 But again, I mean, you know, we've had the gangster planet and we've had the planet of Native Americans and, you know, like we've had the Nazi planet and we've had the ancient Romans planet. 198 00:12:49.200 --> 00:12:51.480 So it is a thing that Star Trek Dars. 199 00:12:52.679 --> 00:12:55.740 Even the line, the line into the credits. 200 00:12:56.220 --> 00:12:57.539 Have you been eating your eggs? 201 00:12:57.600 --> 00:12:57.899 Yeah? 202 00:12:58.379 --> 00:12:58.799 Right? 203 00:12:58.919 --> 00:13:02.159 I'm telling you now, the 2 highest sellers are work in a shop. 204 00:13:02.220 --> 00:13:03.480 It's bananas and eggs. 205 00:13:03.539 --> 00:13:04.919 We're obsessed in England, all right? 206 00:13:05.460 --> 00:13:09.059 Whoever has written this, knows an Englishman or an Englishwoman, all right? 207 00:13:10.919 --> 00:13:12.899 She goes, have you been taking your vitamins? 208 00:13:13.080 --> 00:13:14.700 Your moustache is not looking great. 209 00:13:15.840 --> 00:13:17.100 It's so good. 210 00:13:17.759 --> 00:13:20.639 And Philips is very sweet, isn't he, as a character? 211 00:13:20.639 --> 00:13:23.220 And I really like, like, he is a dog. 212 00:13:23.460 --> 00:13:27.299 No, so because he seems to be sort of asexual. 213 00:13:27.360 --> 00:13:31.620 And I think what's really funny is, of course, his mother doesn't know if he's gay or not. 214 00:13:32.159 --> 00:13:40.080 His mother doesn't know if he's gay or not, and so she sends, she just sends, you know, like a man and a woman there to seduce him. 215 00:13:40.799 --> 00:13:47.279 Like, you would, she doesn't care which way it goes as long as, as long as he loses his virginity. exactly. 216 00:13:47.700 --> 00:13:52.620 I mean, the threat at the end, I mean, it killed me when she went, one day, you will lose your virginity. 217 00:13:52.679 --> 00:13:53.700 I will make it happen. 218 00:13:53.759 --> 00:13:56.100 That's the threat at the end of the episode. 219 00:13:56.879 --> 00:14:01.559 And so Boimler has a phaser rifle and Marin goes, what's that? 220 00:14:02.460 --> 00:14:04.200 How is that different from a regular phaser? 221 00:14:04.200 --> 00:14:05.399 And he says it takes 2 hands. 222 00:14:06.419 --> 00:14:09.419 And also, I would say it's made out of balsa wood. 223 00:14:10.019 --> 00:14:10.980 Oh, boy. 224 00:14:12.299 --> 00:14:13.200 Two hands, you say. 225 00:14:13.320 --> 00:14:16.559 Well, sometimes, you know, depends how it gorged you on. 226 00:14:19.679 --> 00:14:20.940 Don't say wet work. 227 00:14:21.000 --> 00:14:23.820 I mean, the dialogue for out there. so good. 228 00:14:24.059 --> 00:14:30.419 And so Boimler again is now wanting to fight giant centipedes because I guess he's come back from the Titan. 229 00:14:30.480 --> 00:14:31.019 Is that it? 230 00:14:32.159 --> 00:14:35.879 And she has, she's kind of undermined him. 231 00:14:35.940 --> 00:14:40.320 And it does seem that that scene that Agamus shows them later. is, I think. 232 00:14:40.320 --> 00:14:41.159 Oh, she says it's true. 233 00:14:41.399 --> 00:14:43.740 She says it's true. she goes, no, you're not ready. 234 00:14:43.980 --> 00:14:47.519 Yeah, I mean, initially she goes, oh, is that what he showed you? 235 00:14:47.639 --> 00:14:48.840 Like trying to convince you. 236 00:14:48.899 --> 00:14:50.279 But then she absolutely amiss. 237 00:14:50.340 --> 00:14:50.639 Yes. 238 00:14:50.879 --> 00:14:52.019 I don't think you're ready. 239 00:14:52.200 --> 00:14:54.240 Which means I mean, look at this. 240 00:14:54.600 --> 00:14:57.360 Did you see the docking port extreme? 241 00:14:57.899 --> 00:15:00.659 Look so fat looks like a penis coming up. 242 00:15:00.720 --> 00:15:01.139 Come on. 243 00:15:01.860 --> 00:15:04.080 But it also just looked impressive. 244 00:15:04.139 --> 00:15:04.980 Do you know what I mean? 245 00:15:05.100 --> 00:15:07.740 Like if that happened on Voyager, you would be going, that looks amazing. 246 00:15:09.899 --> 00:15:13.620 This entire episode is a series of sex gags. 247 00:15:15.960 --> 00:15:17.220 I'm telling you now. 248 00:15:17.700 --> 00:15:21.960 Even engineering looks a little suggestive right now. 249 00:15:22.740 --> 00:15:25.320 I do think that that's a beautiful warp core, though. 250 00:15:26.100 --> 00:15:29.700 Don't you think that uh, Billops looks like he belongs from the village people? 251 00:15:30.539 --> 00:15:31.320 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 252 00:15:31.379 --> 00:15:32.460 Well, I think the moustache. 253 00:15:32.519 --> 00:15:36.000 I mean, like this is what year? 254 00:15:36.059 --> 00:15:39.899 Like, when did we start getting moustaches back in earnest, do you think? 255 00:15:41.220 --> 00:15:42.600 No, this is 2021. 256 00:15:43.019 --> 00:15:43.919 This is 5 years ago. 257 00:15:45.179 --> 00:15:48.299 Well, you look at that castle diagram on the wall. 258 00:15:48.299 --> 00:15:51.360 I mean, this perfect English fairy castle, wasn't it? 259 00:15:51.419 --> 00:15:54.539 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. yeah God's sakes. 260 00:15:55.620 --> 00:15:58.679 That's just gone, how can we take the piss out of the Brits? 261 00:15:58.980 --> 00:16:00.059 How many ways? 262 00:16:00.299 --> 00:16:05.279 Well, but I mean, she is also kind of like Luaxana, isn't she? 263 00:16:05.759 --> 00:16:18.659 Um, you know, uh, she isn't super, like she doesn't approve of Billips in Starfleet using his special skills and thinks that uh, he's wasting his time and that he should be back doing something else. 264 00:16:18.779 --> 00:16:28.500 And remember, like Sana is the heir to the holy chalice of reeks or whatever the sacred rings of Beta's head or whatever she is, you know, she's royal too. 265 00:16:29.580 --> 00:16:30.600 Just that line. 266 00:16:30.779 --> 00:16:34.620 It's time I proved to my mother that I'm more than just the royal stud. 267 00:16:34.740 --> 00:16:35.220 All right? 268 00:16:35.279 --> 00:16:36.360 Yeah, that's right. 269 00:16:37.440 --> 00:16:38.820 Royal stunt. 270 00:16:39.240 --> 00:16:40.679 Is that Harry or William? 271 00:16:40.740 --> 00:16:42.720 I'm not sure which, they're both quite old now. 272 00:16:43.320 --> 00:16:50.100 I love I love the I need to get you out of your comfort zone and he says, but I love my zone. 273 00:16:50.159 --> 00:16:50.820 It's so comfortable. 274 00:16:51.840 --> 00:16:54.000 Well, and then she thinks she's killed him. 275 00:16:54.059 --> 00:17:07.140 It's so sad. she's there at the window looking at the wreckage whilst he's living it up at a banquet hall I think, I wonder, because they're still experimenting with what they can legitimately do. 276 00:17:07.140 --> 00:17:13.799 And I think we know watching this as a cartoon that Rutherford's not dead. 277 00:17:13.980 --> 00:17:19.380 But I wonder whether it might have been better to have seen that rather than have Tendee, you know. 278 00:17:19.559 --> 00:17:21.359 I mean, she doesn't even play it. 279 00:17:21.420 --> 00:17:22.079 Do you know what I mean? 280 00:17:22.140 --> 00:17:24.660 Because we know it's not real as audience members. 281 00:17:25.619 --> 00:17:27.539 It's a fate worse on deaf, Nathan. 282 00:17:27.599 --> 00:17:29.460 They're going to the Daystrom Institute. 283 00:17:29.880 --> 00:17:33.240 No, but they're crashing the most boring place in Starfleet. 284 00:17:33.779 --> 00:17:34.440 Look at that. 285 00:17:34.500 --> 00:17:35.339 Did you see that? 286 00:17:35.400 --> 00:17:36.420 The crush from the window. 287 00:17:36.539 --> 00:17:38.640 Yeah, yeah, it looks amazing. coming up at them. 288 00:17:39.119 --> 00:17:51.059 So we do see the daystream, we do see the daystream Institute both in Starfleet, Star Trek, Picard, and in this, and it's the same establishing shot of the daystream Institute, but one of them. 289 00:17:51.119 --> 00:17:52.619 It's a cartoon and one of them. 290 00:17:52.680 --> 00:17:53.700 It's like live action. 291 00:17:54.660 --> 00:17:59.400 The colour palette, the visuals that they draw, it's very final mission. 292 00:17:59.640 --> 00:18:00.299 All of this. 293 00:18:00.480 --> 00:18:01.740 Yeah, yeah, isn't it? 294 00:18:02.220 --> 00:18:05.819 And it just looks more spectacular than anything in 90s trek. 295 00:18:05.880 --> 00:18:07.799 I mean, just the imagination. 296 00:18:07.859 --> 00:18:12.779 Well, they've got a shuttle with smashed windows and all sorts, you know, they wouldn't smash the windows back in the night. 297 00:18:14.579 --> 00:18:16.079 We'll have to repair them, you know. 298 00:18:16.980 --> 00:18:22.500 And for some reason, the replicator only does liquorice. 299 00:18:23.400 --> 00:18:25.440 I love liquorice, but I love the light. 300 00:18:25.500 --> 00:18:29.700 It's even funnier when she gets the juice out of the thing and she goes, are you fucking kidding me? 301 00:18:30.960 --> 00:18:31.980 It's luckerish. 302 00:18:34.500 --> 00:18:35.339 Oh boy. 303 00:18:35.400 --> 00:18:37.859 I'm being stuck on a planet with the evil computer. 304 00:18:37.920 --> 00:18:40.440 Oh, that's another great lower deck premise. 305 00:18:40.500 --> 00:18:41.579 Yeah, it's really great. 306 00:18:41.759 --> 00:18:42.539 Let me help you. 307 00:18:42.599 --> 00:18:43.680 He goes, please. 308 00:18:44.339 --> 00:18:50.519 I couldn't believe at the end, nobody's like, I shall join Starfleet and be a valuable man. 309 00:18:53.339 --> 00:18:56.640 It comes to him going, I will take down the Federation. 310 00:18:57.599 --> 00:18:58.140 So good. 311 00:18:58.799 --> 00:18:59.579 Oh, boy. 312 00:18:59.640 --> 00:19:02.220 Look at the patterns on the wall. wonderful. 313 00:19:02.940 --> 00:19:05.819 Ostentatiousness. satisfied. 314 00:19:06.539 --> 00:19:11.400 Look at the woman dancing around. bloody Rapunzel there. 315 00:19:11.819 --> 00:19:12.480 Yeah, yeah. 316 00:19:12.539 --> 00:19:13.079 Yeah. 317 00:19:13.140 --> 00:19:16.500 So it is English people, but it is also just fairy tales, isn't it? 318 00:19:16.559 --> 00:19:18.000 Like that's kind of the fun about it. 319 00:19:18.539 --> 00:19:20.220 My chief blacksmith. 320 00:19:20.339 --> 00:19:22.440 That's what she called her engineer. 321 00:19:22.799 --> 00:19:28.319 But the, the, the, the, the, the, strumming on his mandolin, look. 322 00:19:29.099 --> 00:19:30.000 Yep, yep. 323 00:19:30.299 --> 00:19:31.440 Yeah. awesome. 324 00:19:32.700 --> 00:19:37.259 It's like they just want to pack in. so much to make me laugh visually. 325 00:19:40.859 --> 00:19:43.200 When she said about the blacksmiths, I lost it. 326 00:19:43.440 --> 00:19:44.279 It's so good. 327 00:19:44.460 --> 00:19:45.359 It is so great. 328 00:19:45.599 --> 00:19:48.720 I just wanted them to come along looking like actual blacksmiths. 329 00:19:51.059 --> 00:19:53.099 Oh, the line as well, Nathan, right? 330 00:19:53.160 --> 00:19:53.759 so perfect. 331 00:19:54.000 --> 00:19:58.200 Where he goes, oh, so now you approve of my job as an engineer. 332 00:19:58.319 --> 00:19:59.519 She goes, no, let's not go too far. 333 00:19:59.819 --> 00:20:04.380 She goes, I'll just say, I'm satisfied, which is what my mother used to say to me. 334 00:20:05.579 --> 00:20:14.759 But did you see, did you see those two, the 2 guards who are following her are the guards that she obviously sends to his quarters later on. 335 00:20:14.759 --> 00:20:18.839 And she's already, she's already flirting with him in this scene. 336 00:20:19.019 --> 00:20:20.819 They are fucking him with their eyes. 337 00:20:20.880 --> 00:20:22.019 I can't keep their eyes off him. 338 00:20:22.079 --> 00:20:23.220 Yeah, yeah, yeah. awesome. 339 00:20:23.819 --> 00:20:32.279 Oh, actually, this, I'm also getting indiscretion vibes as well, which is the one where Dukat and Kira have a shuttle crash on the desert planet. 340 00:20:32.460 --> 00:20:33.480 Oh, yeah, okay. 341 00:20:33.480 --> 00:20:33.839 You know. 342 00:20:34.319 --> 00:20:36.059 But they do, don't they? 343 00:20:36.119 --> 00:20:42.480 They do this, so you make the you make the connection between this and 90s trek, and then they do their own thing with it. 344 00:20:43.140 --> 00:20:50.460 But they can do better monsters and they can do better aliens, you know, and more imaginative. planetary landscapes, better spaceships. 345 00:20:50.579 --> 00:20:51.720 I mean, I could go on. 346 00:20:52.920 --> 00:20:56.400 Yeah, but again, you know, that's the 90s and budget and stuff like that. 347 00:20:57.420 --> 00:20:58.559 Yeah, look at that. 348 00:20:58.799 --> 00:20:59.400 I'm sorry. 349 00:20:59.940 --> 00:21:04.440 Agamon went, well, my scared show, but you could lose a few pounds anyway. 350 00:21:04.859 --> 00:21:07.259 Mariner goes, are we going there, really? 351 00:21:10.259 --> 00:21:15.299 And so he's already stretched out a chord and has transferred data from her pad. 352 00:21:15.839 --> 00:21:18.599 So that will come up a bit later, I think. 353 00:21:18.660 --> 00:21:20.279 That just looks stunning, doesn't it? 354 00:21:20.339 --> 00:21:20.700 Like that. 355 00:21:20.940 --> 00:21:22.140 But even the graphics. 356 00:21:22.200 --> 00:21:23.819 I'm seeing 90 Strik. 357 00:21:23.940 --> 00:21:26.940 It's a bit, it's more sophisticated, but it's just enough. 358 00:21:27.660 --> 00:21:30.180 No, it's still that elk, it's interface, isn't it? 359 00:21:30.240 --> 00:21:31.680 Like, it's still absolutely that. 360 00:21:32.819 --> 00:21:35.400 Black liquorice, black. 361 00:21:39.000 --> 00:21:40.740 They're going off to the tea now. 362 00:21:41.579 --> 00:21:45.960 No, but it's also, it's also Janeway ordering coffee too. isn't it? 363 00:21:46.019 --> 00:21:47.880 Coffee, black. crushed black. 364 00:21:48.960 --> 00:21:51.119 I'm going to say that next time I go into the health shop. 365 00:21:51.180 --> 00:21:52.019 Black liquorice. 366 00:21:52.079 --> 00:21:52.559 Black. 367 00:21:54.180 --> 00:21:56.880 Yeah, we could bury him like Data's head. 368 00:21:57.839 --> 00:21:58.619 Oh, yeah. 369 00:21:59.400 --> 00:22:01.319 Hey, his head was in a cave, all right? 370 00:22:02.039 --> 00:22:02.700 That's right. 371 00:22:03.119 --> 00:22:05.099 We're not doing time's arrow this week. 372 00:22:05.160 --> 00:22:05.819 Maybe next week. 373 00:22:06.180 --> 00:22:08.640 But we are referring to it at least, which is awesome. 374 00:22:08.819 --> 00:22:09.240 Yes. 375 00:22:09.960 --> 00:22:10.440 Yeah. 376 00:22:10.440 --> 00:22:13.559 Look at how he's got the money. 377 00:22:13.619 --> 00:22:19.559 Look, I've seen men going around the shop with babies, but instead of an evil homicidal supercomputer. 378 00:22:20.519 --> 00:22:25.259 There was a fabulous personal colour, the other day, no food, shut the baby on the back like a rucksack. 379 00:22:25.380 --> 00:22:26.819 The baby was having so much fun. 380 00:22:26.940 --> 00:22:30.240 It was just hanging there behind her. 381 00:22:31.680 --> 00:22:32.579 Oh, boy. 382 00:22:32.640 --> 00:22:33.240 Look at this. 383 00:22:33.539 --> 00:22:36.240 I mean, this is like Jack and the Beanstalk. we doing that as well? 384 00:22:36.480 --> 00:22:36.900 Yeah. 385 00:22:36.900 --> 00:22:37.500 Yeah. 386 00:22:38.819 --> 00:22:42.119 Except it's covered in great, horrible prickles look. 387 00:22:42.180 --> 00:22:50.160 Yeah, but we're getting all this character stuff here now about Boemler, you know, leaving her and Boemler thinking that he's gone ahead of her. 388 00:22:50.160 --> 00:22:56.099 Because remember, like it's the, I think it's the 2nd episode, the one where she just absolutely outclasses him. 389 00:22:56.160 --> 00:23:05.339 They go on this sort of escort mission and stuff and she's capable of coping with everything and she actually has to let him win at some point near the end so he's not completely humiliated. 390 00:23:05.640 --> 00:23:12.180 But now at this point after he's been on the Titan and stuff, he is, he thinks as good as her. 391 00:23:12.960 --> 00:23:15.240 And of course, he's the one who solves this problem. 392 00:23:16.079 --> 00:23:26.279 But in order for that twist to work, the episode has to convince us that she is right, right up until that point, which is why it goes to such great lengths to show that Agamon. 393 00:23:26.339 --> 00:23:26.759 Is that his name? 394 00:23:26.819 --> 00:23:27.599 Ag Agamon? 395 00:23:28.079 --> 00:23:29.880 Agamos is such a great name. 396 00:23:30.839 --> 00:23:31.559 I said great. 397 00:23:31.619 --> 00:23:32.460 Sorry that was my 1st one. 398 00:23:33.480 --> 00:23:36.359 That Agamus has absolutely bewitched him, right? 399 00:23:36.420 --> 00:23:41.759 And we are convinced until he goes round, it goes half full June. 400 00:23:41.880 --> 00:23:42.240 Yeah. 401 00:23:42.240 --> 00:23:42.720 Yeah. 402 00:23:43.019 --> 00:23:43.440 Yeah. 403 00:23:43.920 --> 00:23:44.880 It's so great. 404 00:23:44.940 --> 00:23:47.339 Oh, look, are the Aurora Borealis beyond him? 405 00:23:47.819 --> 00:23:54.779 So during the day, during the day, it's all orange and yellow and at night, it's some purple and green, it's beautiful. 406 00:23:55.259 --> 00:23:55.859 Here we go. 407 00:23:56.099 --> 00:23:56.819 It's lovely. 408 00:23:57.240 --> 00:24:02.880 This is the flashback, not the flashback, but the betrayal. 409 00:24:03.960 --> 00:24:04.799 We don't know, do we? 410 00:24:04.859 --> 00:24:10.740 It's partly, she doesn't think he's ready, and it's partly, I don't think she wants to be separated from him again. 411 00:24:10.980 --> 00:24:13.859 And it's partly, I'm gonna punish you because you left me. 412 00:24:14.160 --> 00:24:14.819 Yeah, yeah. 413 00:24:14.880 --> 00:24:23.759 But I also think that she likes the dynamic where she's in charge and she knows what's what and she's smart and hardbitten and he's only been to 3M class planets or something. 414 00:24:23.880 --> 00:24:31.799 Like he mentions that, you know, he even includes Vulcan in his count of M-class planets and earth that he's been on in the very 1st episode. 415 00:24:31.859 --> 00:24:39.299 And we mentioned that M class count here and how he's, you know, long since exceeded it and so it's that, I think. 416 00:24:39.900 --> 00:24:46.740 I mean, ultimately, Nathan, it does prove himself to be a very capable young man, but he's still a twat on a regular basis. 417 00:24:46.799 --> 00:24:47.700 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 418 00:24:47.700 --> 00:24:48.420 That's why we love him. 419 00:24:49.019 --> 00:24:52.019 But he's still tripped down the ravines and all of this and every planet. 420 00:24:52.319 --> 00:24:53.460 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 421 00:24:53.700 --> 00:24:54.119 Yeah. 422 00:24:54.839 --> 00:24:57.420 Oh, I love Rutherford. 423 00:24:57.480 --> 00:24:58.500 I just think he's great. 424 00:24:58.619 --> 00:24:59.279 I do too. 425 00:24:59.339 --> 00:25:00.180 He's so adorable. 426 00:25:00.240 --> 00:25:00.960 He's my 2nd grade. 427 00:25:01.019 --> 00:25:01.259 Sorry. 428 00:25:01.259 --> 00:25:02.039 Yeah. 429 00:25:02.099 --> 00:25:03.119 He is adorable. 430 00:25:03.180 --> 00:25:04.200 I think he's very sweet. 431 00:25:04.440 --> 00:25:11.099 And again, Eugene Cordero, who we know from the good place and from uh crazy ex-girlfriend. 432 00:25:11.700 --> 00:25:16.259 Um, and like he again plays it big like a child, doesn't he? 433 00:25:16.319 --> 00:25:17.880 Like he plays it like a cartoon character. 434 00:25:18.960 --> 00:25:19.980 What a nerve. 435 00:25:20.039 --> 00:25:23.279 She just came in and went, the Royal Navy is saved. 436 00:25:25.019 --> 00:25:25.980 The royal name. 437 00:25:26.579 --> 00:25:28.859 And they called him his colour squire. 438 00:25:29.099 --> 00:25:35.700 I Oh man. 439 00:25:35.940 --> 00:25:37.140 I love how she's dressed. 440 00:25:37.859 --> 00:25:39.420 Can you get me one of those ruffles, please? 441 00:25:40.140 --> 00:25:42.539 I'll come to one of these calls dressed like that, yeah. 442 00:25:43.619 --> 00:25:44.279 Oh, God. 443 00:25:44.339 --> 00:25:45.359 Is this where he goes? 444 00:25:45.420 --> 00:25:45.960 Oh, no, no. 445 00:25:46.019 --> 00:25:49.380 We've got to go through the sort of faked destruction, don't we? 446 00:25:49.559 --> 00:25:51.480 And then we go to the courts. 447 00:25:51.720 --> 00:25:53.160 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 448 00:25:53.279 --> 00:25:54.420 Oh, this was so great. 449 00:25:54.480 --> 00:25:55.559 Her giving him an out. 450 00:25:55.740 --> 00:25:57.779 I thought I'd get you away from your mother, isn't it? 451 00:25:57.960 --> 00:25:58.680 Well, yeah, yeah. 452 00:25:58.740 --> 00:26:01.259 And she's clearly a known thing. isn't she? 453 00:26:01.259 --> 00:26:03.480 Like, clearly, Carol knows who she is. 454 00:26:03.660 --> 00:26:05.819 We don't have to introduce her to Carol. 455 00:26:05.880 --> 00:26:07.559 She knows how annoying she is. 456 00:26:07.799 --> 00:26:09.900 That's a great sudden shot, isn't it? 457 00:26:10.200 --> 00:26:13.619 Well, she says, I know, she thinks she knows what's best for you. 458 00:26:14.700 --> 00:26:16.559 But she probably doesn't know what's best for you. 459 00:26:16.799 --> 00:26:17.579 Yeah, yeah. 460 00:26:17.640 --> 00:26:18.240 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 461 00:26:18.299 --> 00:26:19.559 I understand as a mother. 462 00:26:20.519 --> 00:26:21.660 I love his line. 463 00:26:21.720 --> 00:26:26.339 I didn't know all the readings were nominal, which I just think is so great. 464 00:26:26.400 --> 00:26:28.500 Like, what the fuck does normally mean? 465 00:26:28.740 --> 00:26:29.700 I love that. 466 00:26:29.700 --> 00:26:31.740 I'm going to keep mentioning that. 467 00:26:32.039 --> 00:26:34.619 The squire just said, long live the Queen. 468 00:26:35.099 --> 00:26:35.940 The Queen is dead. 469 00:26:36.119 --> 00:26:37.079 Long live the queen. 470 00:26:39.539 --> 00:26:43.920 Oh, I didn't think they should make tend to... 471 00:26:43.980 --> 00:26:46.619 I've got a whole ad break now to watch her being sad. 472 00:26:47.099 --> 00:26:48.539 The drama, the drama. 473 00:26:48.599 --> 00:26:49.500 I know, I know. 474 00:26:49.859 --> 00:26:50.759 You are right, though. 475 00:26:51.240 --> 00:26:56.039 It's the one relationship in Star Trek that's just always cute, right? 476 00:26:56.400 --> 00:26:58.740 Yeah, it's never toxic at any point. 477 00:26:59.099 --> 00:27:00.180 No, it's very sweet. 478 00:27:00.480 --> 00:27:01.380 It is very sweet. 479 00:27:01.440 --> 00:27:02.519 The 2 of them are adorable. 480 00:27:02.579 --> 00:27:05.700 And it is because the 2 of them are so enthusiastic. 481 00:27:06.240 --> 00:27:07.740 And he's more chill than her. 482 00:27:07.799 --> 00:27:10.200 You know, she has that slight manic edge, which I love. 483 00:27:10.259 --> 00:27:11.759 That's what I love about Tenny. 484 00:27:11.819 --> 00:27:12.839 I just think she's terrific. 485 00:27:13.259 --> 00:27:19.920 Um, but she's been trying to get his tanklies in sort of computer ever since we landed. that's right. 486 00:27:20.160 --> 00:27:23.579 That's unlike Philips, who's been trying to keep his danglies out of everyone. 487 00:27:24.000 --> 00:27:25.980 I like to think that in the writer's room, right? 488 00:27:26.039 --> 00:27:27.779 Because I'm sure they all contribute lines. 489 00:27:28.380 --> 00:27:29.940 It was like, right, here's the plot. 490 00:27:30.359 --> 00:27:32.579 Now, everyone just throw filthy lines on me. 491 00:27:32.940 --> 00:27:33.779 This is the plot. 492 00:27:35.460 --> 00:27:40.680 But this this is great and they have a proper fist fight as well, which is great. 493 00:27:41.039 --> 00:27:42.539 Oh, this was fabulous. 494 00:27:42.599 --> 00:27:44.099 You wouldn't have the guts to shoot me. 495 00:27:48.119 --> 00:27:57.240 Yeah, and it was well, it was as well like, I, I couldn't predict where this was going as well. by the way he does that. 496 00:27:57.599 --> 00:27:58.559 He looks sad. 497 00:27:58.619 --> 00:28:05.819 There's a little moment where he gives her this look and you sort of think, oh, okay, I think this was I had to do this for some reason. 498 00:28:05.880 --> 00:28:07.019 And then he heads off. 499 00:28:08.160 --> 00:28:10.440 She added Rutherford to the deceased file. 500 00:28:10.500 --> 00:28:11.099 Did you see? 501 00:28:11.220 --> 00:28:11.759 I know. 502 00:28:11.759 --> 00:28:13.019 That's so sad. 503 00:28:13.079 --> 00:28:15.119 And look, it goes from colour to black and white. 504 00:28:15.480 --> 00:28:16.380 I mean, that's mean. 505 00:28:16.440 --> 00:28:16.859 That is. 506 00:28:17.519 --> 00:28:18.059 Look. 507 00:28:19.200 --> 00:28:20.819 These hot, hot guards. 508 00:28:21.059 --> 00:28:21.599 I know. 509 00:28:21.900 --> 00:28:25.859 Okay, I'm just going to discuss this now because we're going sort of quarters in a second. 510 00:28:26.160 --> 00:28:27.839 So the 2 goals there. 511 00:28:27.900 --> 00:28:29.519 They all take all their clothes off, don't they? 512 00:28:29.579 --> 00:28:33.660 They're sitting there in sort of decorous positions, waiting to fuck the man. 513 00:28:34.079 --> 00:28:35.700 They are wearing nice. 514 00:28:35.759 --> 00:28:39.779 Yeah, but not when you go in. you can't see the undies start off with Nathan. 515 00:28:40.140 --> 00:28:43.019 I mean, honest to God, I really wanted to be him in that moment. 516 00:28:43.500 --> 00:28:44.819 I don't know what was going on. 517 00:28:45.119 --> 00:28:47.400 I wanted those 2 cartoons to ravish me. 518 00:28:49.079 --> 00:28:50.640 Forget you and the ball queen. 519 00:28:52.200 --> 00:28:54.420 Getting turned on by bloody pictures now. 520 00:28:56.460 --> 00:28:58.079 Yeah, she's finding him. 521 00:28:58.140 --> 00:28:58.980 She can't believe it. 522 00:28:59.039 --> 00:29:01.019 She knows this is a cartoon. would never happen. 523 00:29:03.839 --> 00:29:08.519 And the fact that he's at a banqueting table holding this enormous chicken leg in his hand. 524 00:29:09.359 --> 00:29:12.180 So I can't. come and join us. 525 00:29:12.660 --> 00:29:13.140 Please. 526 00:29:14.039 --> 00:29:15.180 Oh, Christ. 527 00:29:15.960 --> 00:29:18.299 I mean, Jesus Christ, how long has this been on? 528 00:29:18.359 --> 00:29:19.500 It hasn't stopped giving. 529 00:29:19.740 --> 00:29:20.759 Nearly 20 minutes. 530 00:29:21.059 --> 00:29:23.099 I just hasn't stopped giving in every scene. 531 00:29:23.700 --> 00:29:25.859 We're about a quarter of 3 quarters of the way through. 532 00:29:27.180 --> 00:29:28.500 Oh, that's kind of sad. 533 00:29:28.559 --> 00:29:30.059 I want it longer. 534 00:29:30.359 --> 00:29:34.259 Well, that's why I always watch a bunch of them in a row when I'm watching low day. 535 00:29:34.319 --> 00:29:36.240 It's just like, I'm here for the evening. 536 00:29:36.299 --> 00:29:37.680 I'll put half a season on. 537 00:29:38.700 --> 00:29:45.059 It is great as well because when Borner's talking to the computer now, he does look evil, right? 538 00:29:45.119 --> 00:29:49.259 I mean, they're going to every length to prove to you that he has been seduced. 539 00:29:49.440 --> 00:29:50.819 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 540 00:29:51.240 --> 00:29:51.960 That's great. 541 00:29:52.019 --> 00:29:53.700 It's a little... 542 00:29:53.759 --> 00:29:54.420 He's started. 543 00:29:54.420 --> 00:29:56.099 He's come out and start flavouring. 544 00:29:57.240 --> 00:29:58.319 Oh boy. 545 00:29:58.680 --> 00:30:01.559 It's very awkward when that happens, you know. 546 00:30:01.740 --> 00:30:02.400 I know. 547 00:30:03.599 --> 00:30:04.920 Yes, there they are. 548 00:30:05.400 --> 00:30:07.740 Oh, how refined. 549 00:30:07.859 --> 00:30:09.480 He does have a big turkey leg. 550 00:30:09.539 --> 00:30:10.079 Look at her. 551 00:30:11.579 --> 00:30:14.160 Oh, chinking. 552 00:30:15.180 --> 00:30:17.039 Well, what sort of wine do you imagine? 553 00:30:17.099 --> 00:30:18.180 It's a nice Merlo, perhaps? 554 00:30:18.240 --> 00:30:18.900 Yeah, perhaps. 555 00:30:19.079 --> 00:30:24.359 But she goes straight and hugs him, like grabs him and pushes him to the ground. 556 00:30:24.420 --> 00:30:25.500 It's so sweet. 557 00:30:26.700 --> 00:30:30.539 Somehow, no matter what she's saying, the queen, she just looks like she's scheming. 558 00:30:30.779 --> 00:30:31.980 No, he has a look in around. 559 00:30:32.039 --> 00:30:38.339 Actually, what she's saying at this moment, he's destroying his virginity and Rutherford goes, but he loves his virginity. 560 00:30:40.619 --> 00:30:42.359 Oh, the joke of him now. 561 00:30:42.420 --> 00:30:43.980 We've got to stop him fucking. 562 00:30:44.339 --> 00:30:45.599 I've got to run. 563 00:30:48.660 --> 00:31:00.059 And then it just keeps cutting back to the quarters, and then it comes to him running, and it's the usual sort of tense, you know, countdown scene that you get at the end of an episode, but I can't believe it's about having sex. 564 00:31:00.480 --> 00:31:02.220 Oh, no, you can see the MDs. 565 00:31:02.400 --> 00:31:04.559 They're hot, but the guy's really hot, isn't he? 566 00:31:04.920 --> 00:31:05.579 It's crazy. 567 00:31:05.700 --> 00:31:06.420 Oh, boy. 568 00:31:06.599 --> 00:31:07.799 I don't know, Nathan. 569 00:31:07.859 --> 00:31:09.059 Where should we be between both of them? 570 00:31:09.059 --> 00:31:10.319 And Billy... 571 00:31:10.319 --> 00:31:10.740 Look at him. 572 00:31:10.799 --> 00:31:11.339 Look at him. 573 00:31:11.400 --> 00:31:13.140 He's suddenly he's ripped as well. 574 00:31:14.339 --> 00:31:16.680 Why go 3 way when you can go 4 way? 575 00:31:16.799 --> 00:31:17.579 Oh my god. 576 00:31:17.640 --> 00:31:20.819 He has got the most delicious bubble butt, hasn't he? 577 00:31:21.779 --> 00:31:26.039 The very action to seeing his Wang, though, like both of them, their jaws drop. 578 00:31:26.700 --> 00:31:30.420 I can't believe they got away with that like, did his kingdom come? 579 00:31:35.220 --> 00:31:36.539 You don't have to do sex. 580 00:31:39.960 --> 00:31:42.539 He's in the mirror going, come on, please. 581 00:31:43.440 --> 00:31:44.039 Come on. 582 00:31:44.700 --> 00:31:47.220 Oh, dude, fortunately, I mean, I'm getting older. 583 00:31:47.279 --> 00:31:48.960 The table, come. not been there yet. 584 00:31:50.519 --> 00:31:52.019 We all have that moment, I'm sure. 585 00:31:53.400 --> 00:31:56.819 And this is wonderful because this is not real. 586 00:31:57.000 --> 00:31:58.500 This is a fantasy sequence. 587 00:31:58.559 --> 00:32:06.299 You know, of him imagining the future and he's sat upon a big pile of skulls and surrounded by drones. fetched skulls. 588 00:32:06.420 --> 00:32:07.740 Yeah, it's awesome. 589 00:32:09.720 --> 00:32:13.619 And then Boimler reveals that it was all a trick. 590 00:32:14.640 --> 00:32:20.880 You've been too busy scheming to notice that I put you into the power thing and the just rush signal's been going. 591 00:32:21.240 --> 00:32:23.400 Oh, God, Nathan, look at that corpse beyond them. 592 00:32:23.460 --> 00:32:24.900 Yeah, I know, it's great, isn't it? 593 00:32:24.960 --> 00:32:25.559 It's so good. 594 00:32:26.640 --> 00:32:27.420 What the hell is it? 595 00:32:27.779 --> 00:32:33.180 So, I don't know, but it looks very kind of late Star Trek. 596 00:32:33.359 --> 00:32:46.619 And so he's plugged him into the thing where he has access to the dimmer switch, in the bridge, and he goes, you know, I, you dare to block, to mock Anjemus, I shall blind you, and he turns the light on the bridge on and off. 597 00:32:46.680 --> 00:32:47.160 Oh, gosh. 598 00:32:47.160 --> 00:32:51.599 But they both sort of look up very disinterested. 599 00:32:51.720 --> 00:32:52.619 Oh, okay. 600 00:32:52.680 --> 00:32:53.160 Thank you. 601 00:32:53.579 --> 00:32:54.119 So good. 602 00:32:55.799 --> 00:32:56.759 Oh, dear. 603 00:32:56.819 --> 00:32:58.019 Oh, this was my scene. 604 00:32:58.140 --> 00:33:00.900 I was howling with laughter when, oh, there you go. 605 00:33:00.960 --> 00:33:01.859 With all the mutton. 606 00:33:03.660 --> 00:33:06.059 A horrible thing only English people can tolerate. 607 00:33:06.960 --> 00:33:09.180 I will be a virgin for the rest of my life. 608 00:33:09.240 --> 00:33:11.160 She goes, we'll see about that. 609 00:33:13.140 --> 00:33:17.640 Exactly, isn't it? 610 00:33:17.640 --> 00:33:21.839 This should have worked, but it's just no. 611 00:33:21.839 --> 00:33:27.779 But again, you get this very sweet character moment and it is cartoonish. like it works on a cartoon level. 612 00:33:27.839 --> 00:33:29.519 You know, I shouldn't have pushed you too far. 613 00:33:29.640 --> 00:33:30.420 It's fine. 614 00:33:30.480 --> 00:33:32.819 Oh, you know, like we're in Starfleet. 615 00:33:32.880 --> 00:33:36.599 I guess there's going to be times where each of us thinks the other one's dead or whatever. 616 00:33:37.740 --> 00:33:42.660 Look at the, what's going on behind them, that enormous cake on the console and everyone's having a little nibble. 617 00:33:42.839 --> 00:33:44.099 Oh, how delightful. 618 00:33:45.359 --> 00:33:46.380 We've been picked up. 619 00:33:46.440 --> 00:33:48.539 Well, this has been quite an adventure, wasn't it? 620 00:33:48.839 --> 00:33:52.740 picked up by a runabout and someone's wearing a deep space 9 uniform on it, which is kind of good. 621 00:33:53.700 --> 00:33:54.539 Lovely to see it. 622 00:33:54.599 --> 00:33:55.380 Oh, yes. 623 00:33:57.599 --> 00:34:07.740 I just, I love this bit because it reminds me of the scene where um, where Worf um, tried to, that's where Garak tried to convince Worf that he wanted to join Starfleet. 624 00:34:07.799 --> 00:34:08.699 It's just like that moment. 625 00:34:09.420 --> 00:34:11.460 We just conquer this lab. 626 00:34:11.460 --> 00:34:13.920 And then I will take over the Federation. 627 00:34:15.599 --> 00:34:17.099 You will know nothing of the sort. 628 00:34:17.699 --> 00:34:19.500 I will annihilate the Federation. 629 00:34:19.559 --> 00:34:22.260 Tremble at my power with that programming. 630 00:34:22.320 --> 00:34:22.860 Good luck. 631 00:34:24.719 --> 00:34:31.139 So, Fred, Tatashura isn't in this episode as Shacks, Shacks isn't in this episode. 632 00:34:31.500 --> 00:34:37.739 And so he is actually playing that evil computer just to the right of Agemus, who are going to assume he's making fun of. 633 00:34:38.400 --> 00:34:40.440 Did you ever watch Terror Hawks? 634 00:34:40.500 --> 00:34:41.760 Did Jerry Anderson show? 635 00:34:41.880 --> 00:34:42.360 No. 636 00:34:43.019 --> 00:34:50.099 Oh my god, absolutely terrifying Zelda, the evil witch queen, still terrifies me to this day with her cackling off. 637 00:34:50.159 --> 00:34:52.980 But she had a series of robots, right? 638 00:34:53.400 --> 00:34:55.800 Um, with different sort of coloured faces. 639 00:34:55.980 --> 00:34:59.219 Look, that looked just like those robots at the end of that. 640 00:34:59.579 --> 00:35:03.059 I don't know if there's a parallel there that someone's seen it. 641 00:35:03.300 --> 00:35:15.900 Um, but and at the end of every Terror Holt episode, the whole thing would turn into a chessboard and the square robots would play um, crosses and the chessboard every time. 642 00:35:15.960 --> 00:35:18.300 So it looked a bit like that sort of coming out as well. 643 00:35:19.260 --> 00:35:20.940 Oh, that was just so funny. 644 00:35:21.420 --> 00:35:22.800 I think I only said gray twice. 645 00:35:23.400 --> 00:35:24.179 It might have been more. 646 00:35:24.539 --> 00:35:26.519 I probably said more than you did, though. 647 00:35:27.119 --> 00:35:29.880 In the heat of the moment, I mean, in the heat of the moment. 648 00:35:31.679 --> 00:35:32.820 That was a hot episode. 649 00:35:33.119 --> 00:35:40.800 I mean, it just goes to prove to me that, you know, we've seen sex comedies in 90s trek, which generally fall on their face because, whoa, they're not sexy. 650 00:35:41.579 --> 00:35:53.820 And we've seen sex comedies in Kurtzman Trek, uh, which is, uh, you know, the spot ones in Strangely Wells, which are very, very sexy because Ethan Beck generally takes his top off. 651 00:35:54.179 --> 00:35:55.199 And well, hello. 652 00:35:55.440 --> 00:35:56.219 Yeah, yeah. 653 00:35:56.219 --> 00:35:57.599 Very, very sexy. 654 00:35:57.659 --> 00:36:05.159 And we've seen, we haven't watched, but I have seen sex comedies back in TOS's time, which are usually just incredibly sexist. 655 00:36:05.579 --> 00:36:06.420 Yeah, yeah. 656 00:36:06.659 --> 00:36:08.579 But I think this is the best one, I think. 657 00:36:09.360 --> 00:36:10.380 Yeah, it is pretty great. 658 00:36:10.440 --> 00:36:11.340 It is pretty great. 659 00:36:11.400 --> 00:36:19.679 Although I do have to say, there is, of course, peanut hamper and that birdman boning as well quite a lot in that other episode that we've already done. 660 00:36:19.800 --> 00:36:22.679 Oh, but that was a character trial, but surely not a comedy. 661 00:36:31.739 --> 00:36:36.719 All right, it's the end of the episode and it's time for us to work out where we're going next. 662 00:36:36.780 --> 00:36:38.219 This was my choice. 663 00:36:39.360 --> 00:36:40.920 Oh, choice. 664 00:36:40.920 --> 00:36:42.000 So you have the goal. 665 00:36:42.000 --> 00:36:46.800 Well, take it over now. choosing all the best episodes. the bad ones and I get to choose. 666 00:36:46.860 --> 00:36:47.400 It used to be me. 667 00:36:47.400 --> 00:36:51.960 The shoes bought the best ones and every time you add the randomiser, feared for my life. 668 00:36:52.199 --> 00:36:56.699 Now it's gone the other way round. about time we watched an episode of Enterprise, I think, to be honest. 669 00:36:57.239 --> 00:36:59.940 Oh, well, you got the choice next week or I go in there now. 670 00:37:02.280 --> 00:37:03.960 That's your kink, not mine. 671 00:37:05.880 --> 00:37:11.820 Now, listen, I just say at the start, I might just choose Strange New Wills, you know, so we can have some bit of fun with that. 672 00:37:11.940 --> 00:37:14.940 But unfortunately, the Paul of just putting everything in. 673 00:37:15.000 --> 00:37:21.539 It's just, it lures me in if you give me this option to choose all of Star Trek and just finding out what happens, you know? 674 00:37:22.019 --> 00:37:22.920 Should I do that in the world? 675 00:37:22.980 --> 00:37:23.579 Let's do that. 676 00:37:24.599 --> 00:37:25.440 Okay, all right. 677 00:37:26.519 --> 00:37:28.019 Oh, well, it's one we've done. 678 00:37:28.260 --> 00:37:29.159 Oh what is it? 679 00:37:30.059 --> 00:37:32.880 I think you've got this set to dismal when I do this. 680 00:37:34.199 --> 00:37:35.039 Why is it? 681 00:37:35.039 --> 00:37:38.699 Season two, episode 19 of the next generation, manhunt. 682 00:37:38.940 --> 00:37:39.960 Oh that's terrible. 683 00:37:41.159 --> 00:37:42.900 What's awful, wasn't it? 684 00:37:44.820 --> 00:37:46.320 Okay, let's see what we get next. 685 00:37:47.699 --> 00:37:48.179 Okay. 686 00:37:48.239 --> 00:37:50.159 Oh, I have no idea what this is. 687 00:37:51.000 --> 00:37:52.260 It's a short trek. 688 00:37:52.320 --> 00:37:53.519 It's another short episode. 689 00:37:53.579 --> 00:37:55.860 It's season two, episode five. 690 00:37:56.159 --> 00:37:57.659 Ephraim and Dot. 691 00:37:57.780 --> 00:37:59.400 Yeah E frame and dot. 692 00:37:59.519 --> 00:38:00.000 Yeah. 693 00:38:00.059 --> 00:38:01.800 So dot is a dot. 694 00:38:02.340 --> 00:38:07.380 Um, like one of those little robots that cleans up around the place. 695 00:38:08.400 --> 00:38:10.500 They're just going around in the background doing all the work. 696 00:38:10.739 --> 00:38:12.059 I'm not sure what Ephraim is. 697 00:38:12.119 --> 00:38:12.840 Is he a triple? 698 00:38:12.900 --> 00:38:13.440 I can't remember. 699 00:38:15.360 --> 00:38:16.500 It's a cartoon. 700 00:38:16.679 --> 00:38:21.659 So it's like an early attempt to do cartoons before Lower Decks comes along. 701 00:38:22.559 --> 00:38:23.639 It's very short. 702 00:38:23.699 --> 00:38:32.039 It has heaps and heaps of references to original trek, and it's just sort of terribly sweet and strange and not very long. 703 00:38:32.280 --> 00:38:33.000 What do you think? 704 00:38:33.179 --> 00:38:35.699 I mean, you're compelling me to do this. 705 00:38:36.059 --> 00:38:37.739 You know what to spend time with me anymore? 706 00:38:37.800 --> 00:38:39.480 You want to do all these short episodes? 707 00:38:39.599 --> 00:38:43.800 No, let's do it because I don't think we've touched upon short treks for some time. 708 00:38:44.400 --> 00:38:47.400 So it'd be quite interesting to, and we've got to, you know, we've got to cover them all. 709 00:38:47.460 --> 00:38:49.440 Yeah, yeah, let's do it. 710 00:38:49.739 --> 00:38:50.460 I fancy it. 711 00:38:50.519 --> 00:38:51.599 Is it a romance between the two? 712 00:38:52.139 --> 00:38:57.480 No, because they're kind of both weird cartoon characters, but it is very sweet and very, very odd. 713 00:38:57.960 --> 00:39:00.659 It'll be interesting to see what I make of it, actually. 714 00:39:00.719 --> 00:39:03.840 Now that I think of it, because it has been a while and I've only seen it once. 715 00:39:03.900 --> 00:39:05.460 It'd be interesting to see what we think. 716 00:39:06.360 --> 00:39:07.199 Let's do it. 717 00:39:07.500 --> 00:39:08.219 Let's do it. 718 00:39:08.280 --> 00:39:08.699 I think so. 719 00:39:16.619 --> 00:39:20.760 You've been listening to entitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford and Nathan Bottomley. 720 00:39:20.820 --> 00:39:27.059 We're online at untitled star trekproject.com where you can find subscription links and links to our social media accounts. 721 00:39:27.480 --> 00:39:32.579 Our podcast artworkers by Kayla Ciceran, and the theme was composed by Cameron Lam. 722 00:39:33.000 --> 00:39:38.159 This episode was recorded on the 11th of August 2026 and released on the 14th of August. 723 00:39:38.639 --> 00:39:42.840 We'll see you next time for Star Trek, Short Trek, the Framan. 724 00:40:05.579 --> 00:40:06.659 Okey-dokey. 725 00:40:06.719 --> 00:40:07.679 Everyone never kill you. 726 00:40:07.739 --> 00:40:08.280 What's the? 727 00:40:08.340 --> 00:40:09.179 Oh, 52. 728 00:40:09.360 --> 00:40:09.719 Okay. 729 00:40:09.780 --> 00:40:10.800 Yeah, no, we're good. 730 00:40:10.860 --> 00:40:11.219 We're good. 731 00:40:12.420 --> 00:40:14.519 Oh, so great. 732 00:40:14.639 --> 00:40:15.719 It's such a good show. 733 00:40:16.079 --> 00:40:20.880 I mean, the lower decks ones do generally come down to what's quoting a load of lines, but who cares? 734 00:40:20.940 --> 00:40:50.039 It's so funny I think two, you know, like all of those people, all those people on Gemma's, like the review of the latest episode, and them all saying that, um, that mostly Kurtzman Trek doesn't take it the whole thing seriously enough, and it's just reefing on it and having not and being funny and stuff and kind of ruining it, and just sort of think, no, I think this is a properly good Star Trek series that does Star Trek things, that just happens to be a cartoon. mind those people. 735 00:40:50.099 --> 00:40:51.539 We don't even have to think about them. 736 00:40:52.980 --> 00:40:54.059 That's terrible people. 737 00:40:54.360 --> 00:40:56.219 They have no joy in their lives, you know? 738 00:40:56.940 --> 00:40:59.280 They're studying the technical manuals every night. 739 00:40:59.579 --> 00:41:00.420 That's fun too. 740 00:41:00.780 --> 00:41:01.679 That is fun too. 741 00:41:02.340 --> 00:41:03.360 So you say, yeah. 742 00:41:03.420 --> 00:41:07.199 Well, I bet that I bet Tony Newsome has a well thumbed second. 743 00:41:07.260 --> 00:41:08.880 I'd rather be cuddling up with Billups. 744 00:41:08.940 --> 00:41:09.719 Thank you very much. 745 00:41:10.980 --> 00:41:21.000 Did you say I saw something because there was a San Diego Comic-Con, you know, like last month or whatever with all of these people on it and they showed the horror episode of Stranger Worlds and everyone was on it. 746 00:41:21.179 --> 00:41:40.739 But then I saw convention footage the other day where the 4 leads of lower decks were there at like, you know, Tawny, Jack, Noll, and Eugene were all there on a panel, and then suddenly Dawn Lewis, Carol Freeman came on and started lecturing them and telling them all off, like, and I didn't expect it. 747 00:41:42.239 --> 00:41:42.960 So great. 748 00:41:43.739 --> 00:41:45.480 What the hell is going on here on the stage? 749 00:41:45.900 --> 00:41:51.719 And one of the things that I do like is, you know, this is in the 90s we didn't have Instagram. 750 00:41:51.780 --> 00:41:53.400 We didn't have, you know, YouTube. 751 00:41:53.460 --> 00:41:54.900 We didn't have any of that sort of stuff. 752 00:41:55.320 --> 00:42:04.019 And just seeing all these people all the time and all their convention appearances when they do things and hearing and talk and stuff is actually really sweet. 753 00:42:04.199 --> 00:42:05.219 I'm still here. 754 00:42:06.239 --> 00:42:09.360 It is nice now that all of those 90s cruise. 755 00:42:09.719 --> 00:42:12.239 They, you know, they get to enjoy the conventions. 756 00:42:12.539 --> 00:42:17.519 That circuit is sort of blown up in the wake of the last sort of 10, 15 years. 757 00:42:17.519 --> 00:42:26.579 And so they get the recognition, especially like the DS9 and Voyager cruise, which I think were a bit dismissed in favour of the next generation crew. 758 00:42:27.239 --> 00:42:32.760 The best Robert and Ethan, you know, like all over the place, I think, just wonderful, you know, just great. 759 00:42:34.139 --> 00:42:44.460 I mean, I love it when Terry Farrell and Nicole de Boa come out together, you know, and they sort of approach Michael Dawn and he's like, oh, fucking hell, with both of them. 760 00:42:46.559 --> 00:42:50.219 She's beautiful, Nicola Burr looks so beautiful now. 761 00:42:50.639 --> 00:42:51.179 So great. 762 00:42:51.239 --> 00:42:57.420 I'm so pleased as well, but she did one season, but she's just embraced it, hasn't she? 763 00:42:57.480 --> 00:42:59.579 And Star Trek has embraced her. 764 00:42:59.760 --> 00:43:00.539 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 765 00:43:00.539 --> 00:43:05.519 They could have just gone, well, it ain't Harry Farrell, so we don't want no part of her, but she's lovely. 766 00:43:05.579 --> 00:43:06.119 I love her. 767 00:43:06.480 --> 00:43:08.039 I love her in deep, so it's nice. 768 00:43:08.579 --> 00:43:13.739 It would have been lovely to have had another year of tea, but I'm, you know, that was something new to do in the last year. 769 00:43:13.800 --> 00:43:14.280 That's cool. 770 00:43:15.960 --> 00:43:20.639 I mean, I just see her in that cocktail dress, uh, in bad, bad, you remember, with the drinks. 771 00:43:20.880 --> 00:43:21.659 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 772 00:43:21.780 --> 00:43:22.380 So cute. 773 00:43:22.500 --> 00:43:23.760 So tiny and cute. 774 00:43:24.360 --> 00:43:25.260 Okay, I'm here. 775 00:43:25.320 --> 00:43:29.940 I'm on the page All right, it's the end of the episode.