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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So, this is going to be fun.

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We are watching a Deep Space and Iron episode.

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It's series 6 and you had gone to enormous lengths to get a very serious arc episode happening and you failed miserably and instead we're going to watch series 6, episode 14, one little ship, which aired the week after Far Beyond the Stars aired on Valentine's Day, 1998.

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Oh, perfect.

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Valentine's watch.

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Oh, our love story continues.

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Do you know, they was going to call this.

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Honey, I shrunk the runabout.

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Or at least that was what was on the script.

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And then they went, maybe not, though.

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We can't do that According to Memory Alpha.

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That's what they just kept calling it during the shoot.

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They've just done it.

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Just go for it, all right?

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think so.

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David, are you sure we're going to have fun with this?

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I mean, come on.

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I think we are.

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So this is Weddell and Thompson, who are reliably funny Riders on Deep Space 9.

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Alan Croker, who is an absolute kind of old hand at this sort of stuff.

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I think it's really funny, and I think what it does really well is it manages to incorporate the Jem Hadar and the war and all of that sort of stuff, like it makes the threat appropriate to the point in the arc, which we're in, but it's absolutely not really about that.

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And it is just about this sort of fun, high concept that they have a great deal of fun with.

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They manage to do some really funny, wonderful.

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It's sort of wonderful, fun visuals.

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Like, it's just solidly good.

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It doesn't reach the glorious sitcom heights of take me out to the hollow suite.

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And it is very slide.

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It is very simple, but it's just an incredibly enjoyable 45 minutes of TV.

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And when we went into the opening credits, I thought, I am so excited about this, this episode is going to be great.

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Like, it's just so entertaining and fun and well done.

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Slight, simple, and enjoyable.

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I mean, you're speaking my language here.

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Awesome, exactly, exactly.

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I mean, what I was going to say was like, you know, are you sure we're going to have fun because, you know, the arc is what's important.

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You know, how dare you take a break for a waste?

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We're wasting this time.

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Shrink a runabout and have tiny little torpedoes shooting into the chest of Jem'Hadars.

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What's happened to the magic of Star Trek?

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It's what I said to you before, though, about season six, isn't it?

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is that every single episode feeds into the running storyline.

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Whether it's a line or a scene or a whole storyline within the episode.

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In the next story, on or amongst thieves, the O'Brien one, which we did roll, but we didn't choose.

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That looks like it's going to be a sort of bromance story between O'Brien and Nick Tate from Space 9299 and then he goes, oh, we're right, we're off to a clandestine meeting in the bar, and a water shows up, and it's an assassination attempt on the Klingon emperor.

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And suddenly it's a massive dominion story.

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What I loved in this was how we will get there.

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We're already taking the piss out of the premise in the 1st couple of minutes.

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I mean, in a very sort of buffy knowing way.

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Yeah, yeah.

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And then all of a sudden, the fun is interrupted with the Gem'adar.

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The war arc just punches its way through this silly episode.

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But it doesn't undermine it.

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No, it doesn't win.

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So in the conflict between the arc, which tries to assert it sort of gravity over this very important episode, we decide nevertheless, we're just going to have an enormous amount of fun.

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And there are some creative decisions that they make during the course of the episode where they absolutely steer the thing in that direction.

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And so this does the arc in a really good way.

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It doesn't let it preclude having fun, light entertaining episodes.

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And it, in fact, employs a fairly effective element of the arc, which is the Jem'Hadar, but it doesn't make it a Jem'Hadar episode or a Dominion episode or anything like that, and it manages to be really just fun and funny and wonderful, I think.

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There's a subtle way that they write and play the Gemadara in this.

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I go back to rocks and shoals where we were doing a serious drama, right?

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And so those performances had gravity to them.

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Here, it's a little bit more comic book.

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It's a little bit more silly.

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The tension between the Gemadar is a little bit more ridiculous.

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And yeah, you're still watching Deep Space Line.

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You're still seeing the Jem Hadar.

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They're just tweaking it to the tone of the episode in a really effective way.

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I just think this is going to be delightful.

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I do too.

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So I have one bit of trivia about this because I did go to memory alpha this afternoon again just to get some details and check up on a couple of things.

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And of course, memory alpha always lists, you know, it's episode number something out of so many Deep Space 9 episodes and so on.

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This episode is episode 504 of all of the Star Trek episodes that have been released.

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And as we record, memory alpha says that's a 1000 episodes.

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So this is just about the halfway point of Star Trek at this point.

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What a way to celebrate.

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Shrinking down a runabout and flying about the ship.

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Oh, that wow, it's the halfway point to where we are now, yeah?

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Just about.

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Yeah, yeah.

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So this week's episode or last week's episode of Strange New Worlds, which was called the Griffin Incident, which is not at all fun like this.

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Very scary.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. very scary and unnerving.

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Yeah, so that comes in at the 1000th episode and this is episode 504.

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Wowsers.

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Well, we've got a way to go.

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Yeah, they're a bit weird.

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Star Trek project.

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We've already done how many?

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Oh, you know, maybe a bit over 200, actually.

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Of a thousand?

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I mean, we've done one fifth of the run so far.

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A bit more than a fifth, I think, at this point, but yes.

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It's worth just quickly noting as well, and I'll probably forget, like, that's what I'll say it now, is that we've already done, you are quarterly invited and we've already done his way.

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Obviously, this is somewhere in the middle of the series and we haven't done the magnificent Ferengi yet, but it's very funny.

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I am so pleased it's some of you say it again and again and again.

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In the midst of the most arc heavy season, I think this is maybe seven, but 6 and seven.

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There's just space to make us laugh and stupid premises like this, you know, of the sort we were absolutely loved in the next generation, you know, turning Keiko Young and things like that.

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There's still room for a tiny little runabout in Dig Space 9.

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Thank God.

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Absolutely.

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Well, I think we should go in.

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Yeah, let's do that.

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Sorry, I shouldn't have said all that.

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That was very small of me, wasn't it?

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So good.

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All right.

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Here goes.

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Five, four, three, two, one, and we are off.

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Ah, they're defiant.

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Here we go.

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Yeah.

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So one of the things about the Defiant is that suddenly everyone basically drops their backstory and just becomes people who work on a starship and I've constantly, there's a lot of Kira kind of knowing how to do things in engineering and stuff, which seems to me to be just here because we're on the Defiant this week.

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She's been cluing up on those technical manuals.

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She has.

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Yeah, just go, come on, now.

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You're not saying nearly enough technical bubble in these episodes.

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Oh boy.

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I mean, this is one of my favourite scenes in the whole episode.

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Kira can barely keep it together at this absurd experiment that they're doing.

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And I think Kira is the right choice.

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And I also think what's great about it is Avery's reaction because he comes out with a big smile as well.

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Like, he absolutely, everyone else is being very serious and this is proper. you know, I don't see what's so funny about being small.

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And then Kira loses it and then Ben nearly loses it as well.

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I love it when Cisco goes.

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Major, are you taking a piss out of our scientific experiment and he's got a grid on his face the whole time.

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Yeah, yeah, huge green, a huge beautiful green.

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That's great.

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Oh, no, because well, this is how you do banter, isn't it?

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This is how you, I mean, the bit where he's like, oh, yeah, I've got to write a poem for Chad Zia.

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Suddenly Nog jumps in when they say, can we hear it, please?

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Kira goes, to my imagination.

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What if the kid just cover for him?

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It's no good, isn't it?

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Because I didn't expect her to go that way.

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Like all of the banter on Boyd Voyager is so dumb.

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Twisted signalled, so bad.

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And like when when Nog comes in with his little bit of techno babbler, his little announcement and stuff.

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It never occurred to me that he was interrupting Worf deliberately.

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You know, I thought, oh, they're going to leave the poem to a reveal later, which of course they do.

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But then...

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The 2nd knock interrupts him.

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He's back to his console focussing very hard.

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And these two, like these who are like doing the sort of weird noir-ish did the kid cover for him, you know, and then and then he quotes Casablanca.

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Like that, the whole thing is just really fun in life, I think.

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Oh, this could be the startup at the start of a beautiful friendship.

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Yeah.

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Oh, boys.

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Okay, right now.

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We're sort of shrinking now, aren't we?

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Very slowly.

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Yes.

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So there are some budgetary things here, like all of the blast shields are closed for the time.

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So we don't have to put any stars out the windows.

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And of course, the defiant sets are a bit like that as well.

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Like they're pretty light on windows, generally speaking, aren't they?

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And later on, I think part of the reason the blast shields are down is so that when we get the, the, the shutters working again.

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We get the reveal of the defiant, a close up, I think.

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It reminds me so much.

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Do you remember that shot at the end of DS9 when the station just pulls the camera pulls away from the station at the very last shot?

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Yeah, yeah. pulls away from the runabout.

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It just gets smaller and smaller.

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Yeah, yeah.

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It's a great shot.

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Oh, here we go.

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And then this, I think that's fantastic that we cut back to this and the Jem'Hadar attacks already in progress, I think is really good.

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Like it's time saving.

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We didn't need to see it and it's a big surprise.

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And that's what I meant when I said earlier.

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By the time we reach the end of the opening credits, I thought, this is going to be fucking great.

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This is so exciting.

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You know, they're under attack and the Gemadar actually board the ship while this sort of nonsense high concept Star Trek premises happening, you know, over on the other set.

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If this Wolf Buffy, I mean, somebody would say, can't we just have one light episode, please, without the jeopardy coming in?

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Okay, yeah.

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Oh, that Dax is trying to, I mean, oh, do you know what, the spark machine's on overdrive?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Oh, they have that guy's gone.

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Was there rocks coming out?

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No rocks.

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Shame, shame.

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Oh, the dry ice is coming in from the ceiling, no.

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Yeah, yeah.

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I have to say that guy gets thrown to the ground.

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No one goes and sees if he's okay.

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And then Tom gets right to the ground and then bends straight up to make sure she's okay.

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What is that guy?

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She's a regular.

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That's why no one likes the person they put in that chair at the front, all right?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Who's on the roster today?

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What was that man's name from Voyager?

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Do you remember?

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No.

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Just the wonder if they were trying to make happen.

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You know, he was wandering around and twisted.

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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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That guy.

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Well, let's just say the twisted, man.

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The twisted man's on to like...

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Walter Baxter.

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Right.

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Put him in the front seat and pack it full of rocks.

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Blow him up.

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Yeah, and knives.

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Rocks and knives.

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Like the one that took out Rachel Garrett.

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Brooks and knives.

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That's a serious...

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Oh, no, sorry.

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That's right.

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Yeah, yeah.

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But, you know, I mean, there's a lot happening there, right?

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We've got both our silly Star Trek episode and a huge action.

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Well, huge.

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A reasonable size action set piece.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, I think it's really good.

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And so, and so what they introduce here, and they say, oh, you know, I don't know where we, why we never went back to it, but I think it's fairly, fairly clear why I never went back to it, which is the idea that we have the Alpha and the Gamma, Herogen, goodness me.

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Jem'Hadar.

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And I think that that, I think you identified.

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I hadn't really thought about it, but I think that you correctly identified what's going on here, is that it gives them some kind of light banter.

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Often when the Jem'Hadar are there.

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There is conflict.

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Do you know what I mean?

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The Jemmed are always interesting because they are always put in interesting situations, but it's usually because of the relationship with the vorta, isn't it?

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Um, and you do get a bit of that here with the, with the horrible vorder on the viewscreen who, who they speak to.

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And because the voter are dismissive and they're not religious in the way that the Jemhadar are, and they seem dismissive of the Jemhadar and arrogant, and the Jemhadar are loyal and still clever.

227
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Do you know what I mean?

228
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They're not stupid.

229
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So that sets up conflict and that's, you know, a standard thing and that's what happens in rocks and shoals, isn't it?

230
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Like that famously what happens in rocks and trolls.

231
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Here you have conflict between the Jemhadar.

232
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The only way you can engineer that is by having the gammas and the alphas, because there's no vorta here.

233
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So it's another purpose as well, though, doesn't it?

234
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Like, we have to delay the Jemhadar finding out that they're running rings around them for the entire episode.

235
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Otherwise, the climax would be 10 minutes in.

236
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So you put that tension in and they're trying to one up each other all the time.

237
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So they're looking at each other and they're not looking at the people they should be.

238
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And in fact, you notice that what they do with the alphas is they make them less loyal and they make them less religious.

239
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And there's the scene where the alpha gets the white out and they start doing the normal ritual they do, which is so great.

240
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You know, like it's so, and they say, no, let's not do that with the alphas, we don't do that shit.

241
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Do you know what I mean?

242
00:15:04.679 --> 00:15:07.320
And so it is on some level, the same sort of coffee.

243
00:15:07.320 --> 00:15:09.539
Yeah, coffee, yeah, with the water.

244
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Yeah, yeah.

245
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Did you notice who was playing one of the Gemadars in this?

246
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No.

247
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John Fleck.

248
00:15:16.919 --> 00:15:19.080
No, it's the same actor.

249
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Vaughan Armstrong.

250
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Who played Warf Son in You Are Quarterly Invited?

251
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The 2nd he opened his mouth, I was like, that is Alexander from your recording.

252
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Yeah, and it was. yeah.

253
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He's the one who gets the um, the hero shot when the uh, little runabout goes up right in front of his face and he's filling the uh, the viewscreen of it with his face.

254
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Oh, okay, excellent.

255
00:15:44.519 --> 00:15:45.179
Excellent, yeah.

256
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Yeah, here we go.

257
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Look, I have declared victory, all right, whether we've won or not.

258
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Yeah.

259
00:15:51.659 --> 00:15:58.799
And so he's he's kind of been, so we have our our Jem'Hadar with the weird nostrils.

260
00:15:58.860 --> 00:16:02.639
Yeah, see, look, like this Vorder guy is not even looking into the camera.

261
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Do you know what I mean?

262
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Like he just doesn't give a shit.

263
00:16:04.620 --> 00:16:09.899
And it is the usual thing, uh, where, you know, he's rude about the Jem'Hadar.

264
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It's a nice touch, though, because the 2nd he talks to the other one, then he does turn to the camera, like he's looking at somebody else on his own view screw.

265
00:16:17.399 --> 00:16:20.039
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

266
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I like the performance of this guy. mean, I guess Jeffrey Cruz wasn't available.

267
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He's the one that turns up in the next episode in honour amongst these.

268
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So he gets 2 episodes.

269
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Yeah.

270
00:16:29.759 --> 00:16:30.960
Oh, okay.

271
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Oh, okay.

272
00:16:31.679 --> 00:16:33.600
Yeah, no, no, I think they don't want Jeff.

273
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They don't want there to be just one vorta.

274
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And I think that's why Keyvan is there as well.

275
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And at this point, if they hit on Wayoon 9 and 10 and stuff, Maybe not yet.

276
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They're doing it, they have, because he gets killed in his 1st episode.

277
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But I mean, he's a semi-regular now.

278
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Every time we go to Cardassia. you know, Coombs knows is getting work.

279
00:16:50.940 --> 00:16:52.620
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

280
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I wish they'd thrown in a few more women, though, you know, they're so camp and fabulous when the water women turn up.

281
00:16:58.200 --> 00:16:59.279
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

282
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The 1st one we see is a woman, isn't it?

283
00:17:01.620 --> 00:17:04.200
Uh, yes, of course.

284
00:17:04.259 --> 00:17:04.859
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

285
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And then there's the one in the ship and then there's Armond Shimmerman's wife who turns up in tacking into the wind. you remember?

286
00:17:11.400 --> 00:17:12.180
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

287
00:17:12.240 --> 00:17:15.720
Kira does an impression of her and does a really camp voice.

288
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Yeah, that's right.

289
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Go ahead.

290
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She goes.

291
00:17:22.680 --> 00:17:27.119
And so these guys are really kind of violent.

292
00:17:27.180 --> 00:17:30.000
Notice what they do too, which I think is hilarious.

293
00:17:30.059 --> 00:17:43.500
So they put all the bridge officers, all of the people whose names are in the opening credits plus Aaron go into the mess hall and then everyone else gets in, gets to be imprisoned in the cargo bay purely for budgetary reasons.

294
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The rest of the queue are over there.

295
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Yeah, they're over there.

296
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We won't see them.

297
00:17:49.079 --> 00:17:51.480
Well, it does do, though.

298
00:17:51.539 --> 00:17:59.220
And I think it was on this watch that I realised is it's a wonderful episode for showing the crew working together.

299
00:17:59.279 --> 00:18:07.200
Um, the sequence where the runabout's watching and you, and they do her like a voiceover of, oh, I say Noggs doing this.

300
00:18:07.259 --> 00:18:08.160
Kira's doing that.

301
00:18:08.220 --> 00:18:12.359
Wolf's doing this. and they've all decided all of this without actually talking to each other.

302
00:18:12.420 --> 00:18:14.579
It's really smart.

303
00:18:14.640 --> 00:18:16.200
Yeah, yeah.

304
00:18:16.259 --> 00:18:24.839
And the fact that they can tell, like I love when they get their external camera happening and then they can kind of tell. look, Kira's looking after Nog again.

305
00:18:24.900 --> 00:18:28.200
She goes, look, she's trying to say, oh, leave him alone, all right?

306
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Big bully.

307
00:18:29.579 --> 00:18:32.519
Worf's being a bit of a sore head, isn't he?

308
00:18:32.579 --> 00:18:35.339
Like, but obviously it's worried about Jadzia.

309
00:18:35.400 --> 00:18:38.880
He does smile a lot in the 2nd half of the episode, though, right?

310
00:18:39.000 --> 00:18:41.339
It's so weird. smile this much.

311
00:18:41.400 --> 00:18:42.059
Yeah.

312
00:18:42.119 --> 00:18:44.160
He's in love, you know, it happens.

313
00:18:44.160 --> 00:18:45.000
He is in love.

314
00:18:46.079 --> 00:18:51.599
Do you know, Nathan, those tables in the mess hall, they don't look very comfortable at all, do they?

315
00:18:51.779 --> 00:18:55.140
No, it's a very small set, isn't it?

316
00:18:55.200 --> 00:19:01.259
I mean, they've got glass over them, so you're not having to lean on that wire mesh or whatever, but yeah, here we go.

317
00:19:01.440 --> 00:19:06.720
Yeah, again, no windows in the mess hall for budgetary reasons.

318
00:19:06.779 --> 00:19:09.839
Escott is supposed to be like a sub, isn't it, the Defiance?

319
00:19:09.900 --> 00:19:11.640
I do kind of get that.

320
00:19:11.700 --> 00:19:12.779
That makes sense.

321
00:19:12.839 --> 00:19:14.940
Yeah, but also budget.

322
00:19:15.000 --> 00:19:16.680
Yes, exactly.

323
00:19:17.640 --> 00:19:19.740
I love the fact.

324
00:19:19.799 --> 00:19:21.599
The 2nd they go in the turbo lift.

325
00:19:21.660 --> 00:19:23.880
Isn't this the bit where he shoves him against the wall?

326
00:19:23.940 --> 00:19:26.279
Cisco, who goes, whatever you're planning, all right?

327
00:19:26.400 --> 00:19:27.480
I'm watching you.

328
00:19:27.539 --> 00:19:38.940
Well, I love how he's much smarter than, you know, the Alfas, like he knows what's going on and he doesn't prevail because of the hierarchy thing and because he's obedient because he's a German art.

329
00:19:39.000 --> 00:19:39.299
There we go.

330
00:19:39.359 --> 00:19:39.720
There we go.

331
00:19:39.779 --> 00:19:43.680
Now, I don't think they sell this quite well enough.

332
00:19:43.740 --> 00:19:50.460
And it's because they can't get both the runabout and the defiant in shot at the same time.

333
00:19:50.519 --> 00:19:57.539
Which is a shame because they do, they get that shot right in the next season in changing face of evil.

334
00:19:57.599 --> 00:20:00.839
They do a brilliant one ship in front of another, but they're smaller.

335
00:20:00.900 --> 00:20:03.000
But they're not quite there yet.

336
00:20:03.059 --> 00:20:04.200
No.

337
00:20:04.319 --> 00:20:06.299
Oh, look at Brashir.

338
00:20:06.359 --> 00:20:07.140
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

339
00:20:07.200 --> 00:20:12.180
So he's he's like upside down, looking out the window and he sees something, but we don't see what it is.

340
00:20:12.240 --> 00:20:19.859
And then we pull back and I guess, yes, we do get the sense of the scale, but they needed to be in the same shot.

341
00:20:19.920 --> 00:20:26.640
And what you really needed was like that round thing should have been the 0 in the call registry sign.

342
00:20:26.700 --> 00:20:30.059
Do you think that that's what it was meant to be, but they can't actually show it.

343
00:20:30.119 --> 00:20:36.000
I mean, there's there is a bit there where they're in the shop together, but it pulls away quite quickly to the defiant.

344
00:20:36.059 --> 00:20:37.680
Yeah, they can't quite achieve it.

345
00:20:37.740 --> 00:20:41.759
Like, they're doing it there a bit better in the at the beginning once we come back from the ad break.

346
00:20:41.819 --> 00:20:46.380
But look, yeah, I mean, any shot with that little defiant zooming about the play.

347
00:20:46.440 --> 00:20:49.319
I mean, I just, I was watching this just going, whee.

348
00:20:49.380 --> 00:20:51.660
Everything's so good, isn't it?

349
00:20:51.720 --> 00:20:55.319
It's great when it's on like in the sets.

350
00:20:55.440 --> 00:20:57.059
And that's genius.

351
00:20:57.119 --> 00:21:04.380
You know, it's so rare for like, like this is entirely just a set of visual gags.

352
00:21:04.440 --> 00:21:08.700
This just works because they have an excellent idea for how to do the special effect.

353
00:21:08.759 --> 00:21:12.660
They've learnt how to composite the ships using computer stuff.

354
00:21:12.720 --> 00:21:14.519
You know, they're still doing models, aren't they?

355
00:21:14.579 --> 00:21:19.200
But they're they're using computers to like composite the shots in space.

356
00:21:19.259 --> 00:21:22.619
And so why can't they just do it on the sets?

357
00:21:22.680 --> 00:21:24.240
And so that is so much fun.

358
00:21:24.299 --> 00:21:25.799
Like that is so brilliant.

359
00:21:25.859 --> 00:21:27.779
That ship has to look fluid.

360
00:21:27.839 --> 00:21:32.700
It has to look like it can sort of shoot about really easily and it just does.

361
00:21:32.759 --> 00:21:33.480
It looks fantastic.

362
00:21:33.539 --> 00:21:37.980
That line, are you telling me I'm going to be this bloody tall for the rest of my life?

363
00:21:38.039 --> 00:21:39.480
No, this bloody tool.

364
00:21:41.220 --> 00:21:47.579
So, I mean, is this the line that we were talking about before we recorded?

365
00:21:47.640 --> 00:21:48.000
Yes.

366
00:21:48.059 --> 00:21:57.779
So when the when the proposal to go inside and attract the attention of the crew is proposed to Dax and Dax says, I love it, let's do it.

367
00:21:57.839 --> 00:21:59.400
Which I just think is so great.

368
00:21:59.519 --> 00:22:01.680
No question, no balls.

369
00:22:01.740 --> 00:22:04.140
No one would have said, I love it.

370
00:22:04.200 --> 00:22:06.960
Let's do it on Star Trek the Next Generation.

371
00:22:07.019 --> 00:22:09.000
And having Chadzia do it as well.

372
00:22:09.059 --> 00:22:28.500
And so is she's in command here because you've got O'Brien and and I guess you've got Julian for medical reasons, but again, it is just pretty much, let's put all of the regulars who we can plausibly put on board the Defiant there for like whatever reason, the usual no particular reason.

373
00:22:28.559 --> 00:22:30.599
I wonder if...

374
00:22:30.660 --> 00:22:31.740
Did Brenno Sage?

375
00:22:31.799 --> 00:22:32.220
You know what?

376
00:22:32.279 --> 00:22:33.059
I could sit out this one.

377
00:22:33.119 --> 00:22:34.019
It's a bit of fun.

378
00:22:34.079 --> 00:22:36.539
Just give me a great scene at the end and they do.

379
00:22:36.599 --> 00:22:37.740
And they do.

380
00:22:39.900 --> 00:22:41.519
I love that.

381
00:22:41.519 --> 00:22:42.839
But I just think as well.

382
00:22:42.900 --> 00:22:49.200
We're at a point now where these regulars know when they've got a comedic script, how to tinker their performances.

383
00:22:49.200 --> 00:22:56.700
Yeah. because um, Terry and Colin and Sid are all giving sitcom performances in this, you know?

384
00:22:56.759 --> 00:22:58.619
Yeah, absolutely they are.

385
00:22:58.680 --> 00:23:00.900
But like this Jem'Hadar, the second.

386
00:23:01.019 --> 00:23:04.019
The, the, the gamma, the gamma one.

387
00:23:04.079 --> 00:23:05.700
I think he's really good.

388
00:23:05.700 --> 00:23:15.480
And I think the makeup is so good, particularly on him, more so than on the first. that he's able to be really animated and to give a proper performance as well.

389
00:23:15.539 --> 00:23:17.940
I think he's... a little crack on his face.

390
00:23:18.000 --> 00:23:19.799
Guess what Mark said when he walks in the room.

391
00:23:19.859 --> 00:23:26.640
I mean, it's unusual for him to be this witty, if I'm honest, but he walked past and he went, only a mother could love that face.

392
00:23:28.619 --> 00:23:30.539
Yeah, that's true.

393
00:23:30.599 --> 00:23:32.819
They don't really have mothers though.

394
00:23:32.880 --> 00:23:34.799
Well, they don't really have females. isn't that right?

395
00:23:34.859 --> 00:23:37.500
Yeah, that's a...

396
00:23:37.559 --> 00:23:39.119
The problem.

397
00:23:39.180 --> 00:23:40.200
I know.

398
00:23:40.259 --> 00:23:42.720
I mean, I mean, how do, no, let's not think about it.

399
00:23:42.779 --> 00:23:44.160
Let's not think.

400
00:23:44.160 --> 00:23:45.660
No, they're genetically engineered.

401
00:23:45.720 --> 00:23:46.559
They come out of eggs.

402
00:23:46.619 --> 00:23:51.420
I know, but you've got to know that one or 2 experiment with homosexuality, right?

403
00:23:51.480 --> 00:23:52.500
Oh, yeah, yeah.

404
00:23:52.559 --> 00:23:54.000
Or just sexuality, really.

405
00:23:54.059 --> 00:23:54.960
Yeah.

406
00:23:55.019 --> 00:23:57.180
Oh, no, they're boning all the time, I would guess.

407
00:23:57.660 --> 00:23:59.700
Kem sex, right?

408
00:23:59.759 --> 00:24:00.720
Because they're on wide.

409
00:24:00.779 --> 00:24:03.000
Oh, my word, yeah.

410
00:24:03.000 --> 00:24:05.640
First example of Ken Sex in Star Trek.

411
00:24:05.700 --> 00:24:09.359
And we just made it up while watching this episode.

412
00:24:10.380 --> 00:24:12.480
I just love as well.

413
00:24:12.539 --> 00:24:15.900
Like, I mean, they, like I said, earlier, they do run rings around them.

414
00:24:15.960 --> 00:24:18.059
Cisco's going, yeah, well, it's going to take about 6 hours.

415
00:24:18.119 --> 00:24:19.440
We're going to have to do this.

416
00:24:19.559 --> 00:24:21.779
They don't understand any of the technology, don't they?

417
00:24:21.839 --> 00:24:26.940
So they could, it's like when Scotty gives a terrible quote for how long something it's going to take.

418
00:24:27.000 --> 00:24:27.660
Yeah, yeah.

419
00:24:27.720 --> 00:24:36.299
But, but like what they do do is they say, well, it took us a long time to work out how to use the Jem'Hadar ship, which actually did happen, didn't it?

420
00:24:36.359 --> 00:24:38.640
Like they learn to use the ship.

421
00:24:38.700 --> 00:24:42.000
So is this a model?

422
00:24:42.000 --> 00:24:44.519
Uh, that's CGI, surely.

423
00:24:44.640 --> 00:24:52.559
No, I, because I think at this stage, like I think that, is that, did they build a little set and just composite them together in the computer?

424
00:24:52.619 --> 00:24:53.700
Like, I don't know.

425
00:24:53.759 --> 00:24:57.059
IJ, when I 1st watched this, I remember complaining, right?

426
00:24:57.119 --> 00:25:01.619
Going, oh, it's all we're going to do is go around optronic circuits and things like this.

427
00:25:01.680 --> 00:25:05.220
And then now I'm just going, no, this is fucking Star Trek.

428
00:25:05.339 --> 00:25:06.539
Of course you're going to do that.

429
00:25:06.599 --> 00:25:08.279
If you've got a small ship.

430
00:25:08.339 --> 00:25:09.420
You just go around the ship.

431
00:25:09.539 --> 00:25:11.160
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

432
00:25:11.220 --> 00:25:15.480
No, but the fun thing is, and like, I think that they rule out that we're going to interact.

433
00:25:15.539 --> 00:25:16.440
You know what I mean?

434
00:25:16.500 --> 00:25:19.440
They just couldn't, there's no way they could achieve that.

435
00:25:19.500 --> 00:25:21.660
And so that doesn't happen.

436
00:25:21.720 --> 00:25:24.720
Um, but I don't know.

437
00:25:24.779 --> 00:25:33.599
Like, I think that, you know, that thing with the, with the isolinear chips is a tremendous set, like an absolutely...

438
00:25:33.599 --> 00:25:36.299
The naked now, you did us a lot of favourites, all right?

439
00:25:36.359 --> 00:25:36.960
Yeah, yeah.

440
00:25:37.019 --> 00:25:38.819
And I think some of it's a miniature as well.

441
00:25:38.880 --> 00:25:48.240
Like, I think some of it sets and some of it's a miniature, but it is a really fun set and I almost never do the Doctor Who references here, but it's like being in the miniscope.

442
00:25:48.299 --> 00:25:50.460
It's just like that, isn't it?

443
00:25:50.519 --> 00:25:51.539
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

444
00:25:51.599 --> 00:25:53.160
And it does have a sense of scale.

445
00:25:53.220 --> 00:25:58.079
Because there's a short, a sort of long shot where you see where I think they're matching in bits, you know.

446
00:25:58.140 --> 00:26:00.839
I haven't been able to say it that big, but no, no.

447
00:26:00.900 --> 00:26:02.640
It does look impressive.

448
00:26:02.700 --> 00:26:05.519
I like it, I brought I was going, I could see these things in my sleep.

449
00:26:05.579 --> 00:26:06.900
Why can't I figure this out?

450
00:26:06.960 --> 00:26:08.160
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

451
00:26:08.279 --> 00:26:08.759
Yeah.

452
00:26:08.819 --> 00:26:13.200
It's like an optronic forest, he goes off, please.

453
00:26:13.259 --> 00:26:14.339
You should be writing poetry.

454
00:26:14.460 --> 00:26:21.059
I love this interaction between the 2nd and Ben in the turbo lift though.

455
00:26:21.119 --> 00:26:26.039
And Ben's just talking to him and they, he is drawing him out.

456
00:26:26.099 --> 00:26:30.660
You know, and it is like it is kind of valuable exposition and stuff, but it's also character stuff.

457
00:26:30.720 --> 00:26:32.460
Well, he realises, doesn't he?

458
00:26:32.519 --> 00:26:33.240
And he shuts him down.

459
00:26:33.299 --> 00:26:35.279
I think I've given you information away.

460
00:26:35.339 --> 00:26:39.900
And what do you believe I believe I should stop talking to you at this point, like or something?

461
00:26:39.960 --> 00:26:41.759
Oh, I love the lineup.

462
00:26:41.880 --> 00:26:44.759
Weve gone past it where he goes, like, get these chairs out of here.

463
00:26:44.880 --> 00:26:45.599
Chairs off the bridge.

464
00:26:46.980 --> 00:26:49.740
I wouldn't want to stand up all day, would you?

465
00:26:49.799 --> 00:26:51.960
No, but they clearly do.

466
00:26:52.019 --> 00:26:56.700
Oh, they're off to the dilithium mines somewhere in Federation space.

467
00:26:56.759 --> 00:26:59.279
I don't know if that's important somewhere in the season, maybe.

468
00:26:59.339 --> 00:27:01.380
Is it a reference to something?

469
00:27:01.440 --> 00:27:03.720
Is it a reference to Devil in the Dark?

470
00:27:03.960 --> 00:27:05.700
Oh, maybe.

471
00:27:05.759 --> 00:27:10.140
Like, you know, that's what I thought, but I love TOS.

472
00:27:10.200 --> 00:27:10.920
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

473
00:27:10.980 --> 00:27:15.779
Ron Moore was always there tinkering with everyone else's scripts trying to put in TOS references.

474
00:27:15.900 --> 00:27:18.119
Oh, here we go now.

475
00:27:18.180 --> 00:27:25.619
So actually, I did learn something here about how the sort of plasma ignites in the in the circuits and you know what I mean?

476
00:27:25.680 --> 00:27:31.920
I was like, okay, I don't really need to know this, but it's quite fun when there's a tiny little ship running away from fire.

477
00:27:32.099 --> 00:27:39.240
It, uh, the car editing system does get mentioned in some TOS episodes and in Enterprise episodes, it is actually a thing.

478
00:27:39.299 --> 00:27:40.200
So...

479
00:27:40.259 --> 00:27:42.960
We should call it that...

480
00:27:43.019 --> 00:27:44.039
It does, doesn't it?

481
00:27:44.099 --> 00:27:44.819
so good.

482
00:27:44.880 --> 00:27:45.660
Isn't it?

483
00:27:45.720 --> 00:27:47.160
Yeah, I like it through the windows as well.

484
00:27:47.279 --> 00:27:49.380
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

485
00:27:49.440 --> 00:28:00.720
Once they get the windows open, once they can, you know, decide that they can spend the budget, not that the windows are in shot very often, you know, on this set, um, but, you can have 4 effect shots through the windows.

486
00:28:00.779 --> 00:28:02.819
Choose them carefully, all right?

487
00:28:02.880 --> 00:28:04.259
I love this.

488
00:28:04.259 --> 00:28:13.740
So whenever that stupid little runabout has to do something physical, she goes, well, we're going to do it the old-fashioned way and it just pushes its way out of the field.

489
00:28:13.799 --> 00:28:15.779
Yeah, yeah, just smashing through the hatch.

490
00:28:15.839 --> 00:28:16.440
It's so good.

491
00:28:16.500 --> 00:28:18.240
Julian looks really concerned.

492
00:28:18.299 --> 00:28:23.160
It's got to be, this would be, what's the pilot's name in Strange New World?

493
00:28:23.220 --> 00:28:24.420
It's the sort of thing she's doing.

494
00:28:24.480 --> 00:28:25.799
Oh, you know, she'd be like, let's go.

495
00:28:25.799 --> 00:28:30.180
Oh, now we're in the engine room.

496
00:28:30.299 --> 00:28:37.140
I love the fact that the ship just starts sort of exploring around and then that massive Gemadar face is in the winter.

497
00:28:37.200 --> 00:28:38.519
It's so good.

498
00:28:38.579 --> 00:28:39.480
It's so great.

499
00:28:39.539 --> 00:28:52.140
I, you know, I went through this episode shot by shot, trying to find a, say, you know, like a good shot where the 2 scales are merged.

500
00:28:52.200 --> 00:28:52.980
Do you know what I mean?

501
00:28:53.039 --> 00:28:58.200
And memory alpha picks the shot where the runabout is pressing the door.

502
00:28:58.259 --> 00:29:00.000
Oh, I love that door.

503
00:29:00.900 --> 00:29:03.599
Open the door, which is so good.

504
00:29:03.660 --> 00:29:08.579
It's so great because they've been waiting for people to go through the door so they can just follow them.

505
00:29:08.640 --> 00:29:15.059
Um, and there aren't really quite enough of those shots and it is just for budgetary reasons.

506
00:29:15.119 --> 00:29:16.980
There are a couple of pretty good ones.

507
00:29:17.759 --> 00:29:24.000
But, and, you know, like I said, this so depends on the quality of the special effects work.

508
00:29:24.119 --> 00:29:27.839
I think they save their money for that last action scene.

509
00:29:27.900 --> 00:29:30.420
And I think that was money well spent.

510
00:29:30.480 --> 00:29:36.480
Yeah, because if you want to sell this episode, You got to have that runabout. shooting away at things at the climax.

511
00:29:36.720 --> 00:29:38.579
What reminded me of?

512
00:29:38.640 --> 00:29:40.799
Kira talking about the tedious techno babble.

513
00:29:40.859 --> 00:29:49.319
You remember the isolinear co-processors that Riker's selling the Ferengi's about in, what was the episode where the Frankies took over?

514
00:29:49.380 --> 00:29:50.940
Oh, that was the one where they became kids.

515
00:29:51.059 --> 00:29:52.200
Rascals?

516
00:29:52.259 --> 00:29:53.339
Rascals, yeah.

517
00:29:53.400 --> 00:29:54.180
It's the same thing.

518
00:29:54.240 --> 00:29:57.000
Is it sort of baffling them with terrible technobabble?

519
00:29:57.059 --> 00:29:59.519
I mean, this is rascals.

520
00:29:59.579 --> 00:30:02.039
It's DS9 for Rascals, yeah.

521
00:30:02.099 --> 00:30:02.759
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

522
00:30:02.819 --> 00:30:03.119
Yeah.

523
00:30:03.180 --> 00:30:12.539
And I think Rascals gets extra points for being just absurdly ludicrous, you know, for doing stupid transporter technology stuff.

524
00:30:12.599 --> 00:30:20.880
And for, you know, that's a funny and ridiculous episode two, which, you know, plays with, you know, our regulars and stuff and gets them to be funny.

525
00:30:20.940 --> 00:30:22.200
But it is literally that, isn't it?

526
00:30:22.259 --> 00:30:29.579
The ship gets taken over and it's rescued by people who've been made smaller in a bizarre high concept accident.

527
00:30:29.640 --> 00:30:34.200
It is interesting then when you do the same kind of tone on DS night.

528
00:30:34.259 --> 00:30:35.579
It's a bit more muscular.

529
00:30:35.640 --> 00:30:36.720
There's a bit more action.

530
00:30:37.140 --> 00:30:39.599
It's a different show, isn't it?

531
00:30:39.660 --> 00:30:40.799
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

532
00:30:40.859 --> 00:30:57.539
And that, I mean, they decide to make the Ferengi, the villains there at the point when the Ferengi are already ridiculous and were sort of a failed attempt. the most absurd idea of many absurd ideas in rascals. that the Ferengi could take over the Enterprise.

533
00:30:57.599 --> 00:30:59.640
I love Rascals so much.

534
00:30:59.700 --> 00:31:00.900
It's one of my favourites.

535
00:31:00.960 --> 00:31:01.859
I think it's brilliant.

536
00:31:01.920 --> 00:31:04.859
And this is good for exactly the same reason, I think.

537
00:31:04.920 --> 00:31:08.099
Yeah, this is the bit. they've got their vantage point in engineering.

538
00:31:08.220 --> 00:31:14.279
Yeah, they're now able to see what everybody's doing and they're telling us because we didn't know until this point what everyone's doing.

539
00:31:14.339 --> 00:31:19.440
No, because we don't have a scene where we don't see the scene where they say, you do this, you do this, you do this.

540
00:31:19.500 --> 00:31:35.400
We get a because even the idea that Nog is trying to break through security protocols so that he can control the bridge, he can control the ship from engineering. none of that's said in dialogue in the big people plot.

541
00:31:35.519 --> 00:31:41.099
It's literally these guys finding it out, which I just think is great because it makes them look really smart.

542
00:31:41.160 --> 00:31:47.279
Um, and it's, and it eliminates the need for a tedious scene where they all stand around saying what they're going to do.

543
00:31:47.339 --> 00:31:49.920
I don't know if we've gone past it.

544
00:31:49.980 --> 00:32:02.880
I think it was in that scene where Bashir, they're all talking tetrapabble and he just goes, well, somebody, please let me into this conversation, which is exactly what I say every time I'm watching boring Star Trek take the medal.

545
00:32:02.940 --> 00:32:03.420
Finally.

546
00:32:03.480 --> 00:32:09.720
Although, Bashir, I thought you were supposed to be a very clever mutant, you know, but we'll let it pass. good line.

547
00:32:09.779 --> 00:32:10.799
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

548
00:32:11.160 --> 00:32:14.160
This is so cute, isn't it?

549
00:32:14.880 --> 00:32:17.220
Sorry, I can't help it.

550
00:32:17.279 --> 00:32:18.119
I can't help it.

551
00:32:18.240 --> 00:32:18.660
I know.

552
00:32:18.720 --> 00:32:21.779
He's sort of weaving in and out the Gematar's legs.

553
00:32:21.900 --> 00:32:24.180
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a great shot.

554
00:32:24.299 --> 00:32:28.319
And then the shot where it's there hovering over the tools.

555
00:32:28.440 --> 00:32:32.759
No, it was hiding behind the box and then it sort of just peeked out and went, hello.

556
00:32:32.819 --> 00:32:35.220
Yeah, yeah, yeah. really huge, isn't it?

557
00:32:35.279 --> 00:32:35.880
It's terrific.

558
00:32:35.940 --> 00:32:36.779
Just so good.

559
00:32:36.839 --> 00:32:39.720
I'm so pleased they went for a ship and not a person.

560
00:32:39.779 --> 00:32:40.680
Not people.

561
00:32:40.740 --> 00:32:41.339
Do you know what I mean?

562
00:32:41.400 --> 00:32:44.460
Like, like, that's a much more Star Trek visual.

563
00:32:44.640 --> 00:32:47.940
Oh, yeah, and easier to achieve.

564
00:32:48.000 --> 00:32:48.900
Do you know what I mean?

565
00:32:48.960 --> 00:32:55.859
Suddenly it is weekend just composite the ships into the into the set rather than into the Starfield backgrounds.

566
00:32:55.920 --> 00:32:58.799
I mean, it's just like a day at my work, you know.

567
00:32:58.859 --> 00:33:01.619
You've got people that are very adept at doing what they're doing.

568
00:33:01.680 --> 00:33:03.660
Someone comes along, says, no, you stop doing that.

569
00:33:03.720 --> 00:33:05.640
I'm going to put someone less competent doing it.

570
00:33:05.700 --> 00:33:07.680
Okay, thanks. everyone's work.

571
00:33:09.900 --> 00:33:13.259
Oh, look, Cisco's getting angry now.

572
00:33:13.319 --> 00:33:15.299
Well, you pass me the cushion every time.

573
00:33:15.420 --> 00:33:18.900
He arbitrarily, you know, gets rid of my crew.

574
00:33:18.960 --> 00:33:20.519
I just love it.

575
00:33:20.519 --> 00:33:20.880
Yeah.

576
00:33:21.000 --> 00:33:27.960
So here again we have another one of these threats and he's going to kill Kira and he's going to kill someone every 15 minutes.

577
00:33:28.019 --> 00:33:36.119
And the scene that they had been going to have in there was they were going to let the 1st kill one of the crew and they were going to do it.

578
00:33:36.119 --> 00:33:41.700
And the way they describe it, like they were going to do it where Cisco says, no, don't worry, it's going to be all right.

579
00:33:41.759 --> 00:33:47.940
And then the, and then the Jem'adar says, no, it really isn't, and then just shoots him dead.

580
00:33:48.000 --> 00:33:50.339
Oh, wow.

581
00:33:50.400 --> 00:33:57.059
And then, and they decide, and I think they're right to do that, that that doesn't fit the tone here at all.

582
00:33:57.119 --> 00:33:59.880
Oh, I don't want these gembodols to be competent.

583
00:33:59.940 --> 00:34:03.180
I want them to. tie them up in knots.

584
00:34:03.359 --> 00:34:14.159
And in fact, it is funny, isn't it, that the gammas, the exciting new gammas who that horrible vorta is so, you know, thrilled by are the are the useless ones, you know?

585
00:34:14.159 --> 00:34:16.380
She was talking to us there, Nathan.

586
00:34:16.440 --> 00:34:20.460
Did you say Dax went, if you like that, you better wait till you see what's coming up next.

587
00:34:20.519 --> 00:34:21.900
Q bad break.

588
00:34:23.280 --> 00:34:27.599
Okay, you're getting a bit too knowing now, Thompson and Weddell.

589
00:34:28.320 --> 00:34:31.019
I love all the nog love as well.

590
00:34:31.079 --> 00:34:35.099
Brian went, nogs a smart kid, but even he couldn't do it from engineering.

591
00:34:35.159 --> 00:34:36.420
Yeah, yeah.

592
00:34:36.480 --> 00:34:37.500
Yeah.

593
00:34:37.559 --> 00:34:43.739
He does think he does it when they, when the people on the ride about finally do it, he thinks he's managed. goes, yes.

594
00:34:43.980 --> 00:34:46.139
No, sorry, dog, no.

595
00:34:46.199 --> 00:34:49.260
Oh my god, I'll destroy the ship.

596
00:34:49.320 --> 00:34:51.840
Oh, no, we can't destroy the ship in this city episode.

597
00:34:51.900 --> 00:34:52.440
Come on now.

598
00:34:52.500 --> 00:34:53.699
No.

599
00:34:55.139 --> 00:34:57.300
Keep trying, Nog.

600
00:34:57.360 --> 00:34:57.960
Keep trying.

601
00:34:58.019 --> 00:34:59.099
You've got this.

602
00:34:59.159 --> 00:34:59.699
All right.

603
00:35:01.320 --> 00:35:03.480
You know, Kira, right?

604
00:35:03.539 --> 00:35:05.219
I mean, she doesn't enjoy working.

605
00:35:05.280 --> 00:35:07.619
Remember when she was working on that Kardashian in rocks and shovels?

606
00:35:07.679 --> 00:35:09.119
Now she's working with this Gemadar.

607
00:35:09.179 --> 00:35:11.219
She can get on with it.

608
00:35:11.340 --> 00:35:18.539
But I mean, these, like how, you know, she somehow is now an engineer for the purposes of this episode.

609
00:35:18.659 --> 00:35:20.280
Like she's literally needed.

610
00:35:20.340 --> 00:35:20.880
What is she?

611
00:35:20.940 --> 00:35:26.940
She's a like a civil servant, really, and a former terrorist, but somehow she's um, she's an engineer.

612
00:35:27.000 --> 00:35:28.860
You needed to be Dax, really, don't you?

613
00:35:28.920 --> 00:35:32.639
All right, but you can't take Dax out of the runabout.

614
00:35:32.699 --> 00:35:36.539
You need that sort of high flyer that's willing to go, come on, let's do it.

615
00:35:36.599 --> 00:35:39.599
And that's that as much as I love Kira.

616
00:35:39.659 --> 00:35:40.679
Ain't Kira, right?

617
00:35:40.739 --> 00:35:41.639
She became her, yeah.

618
00:35:41.699 --> 00:35:42.179
Should we?

619
00:35:42.239 --> 00:35:45.840
And I mean, that is part of the premise of the defiant.

620
00:35:45.900 --> 00:35:46.440
Do you know what I mean?

621
00:35:46.500 --> 00:35:54.539
It's like, oh, suddenly we're not in ops, just literally everyone in the in the main cast is going to be on this ship this week for no particular reason, you know?

622
00:35:54.599 --> 00:35:56.340
Oh, no, no one wanted to.

623
00:35:56.400 --> 00:35:56.760
Oh, look.

624
00:35:56.820 --> 00:35:59.400
The right about behind that Jebadal's head.

625
00:35:59.460 --> 00:36:02.760
Every time he turns round, they sort of vanished behind him.

626
00:36:03.480 --> 00:36:06.179
It's just a bit where they fly through the door.

627
00:36:06.239 --> 00:36:07.380
No, that's Leia.

628
00:36:07.440 --> 00:36:08.099
I love that bit.

629
00:36:08.159 --> 00:36:12.480
The door sort of opens and just as it's shut in, they go, woo, straight through.

630
00:36:12.780 --> 00:36:18.300
And so is it this, the gem Hadah, that the 1st is sort of...

631
00:36:18.300 --> 00:36:18.960
Alexander Bear.

632
00:36:19.019 --> 00:36:24.780
That's the guy who plays Alexander in you accordly invited. look at this.

633
00:36:24.840 --> 00:36:26.340
Arrogance.

634
00:36:26.400 --> 00:36:28.380
You know, we're much better than them.

635
00:36:28.440 --> 00:36:30.719
Your initiative pleases me.

636
00:36:30.780 --> 00:36:33.239
But they're the ones who are fucking up.

637
00:36:33.300 --> 00:36:36.960
Well, like, it works here, the alpha and the cameras.

638
00:36:37.019 --> 00:36:39.780
I just can't think of another point in the rest of the run where it works.

639
00:36:39.840 --> 00:36:41.880
Yeah, and it's too much.

640
00:36:41.940 --> 00:36:42.719
Do you know what I mean?

641
00:36:42.780 --> 00:36:46.320
It's like, I think it's just too many elements, you know, in the Dominion.

642
00:36:46.380 --> 00:36:47.579
We're going to add the brain later.

643
00:36:47.639 --> 00:36:49.980
I mean, like how many different factions do it aid?

644
00:36:50.039 --> 00:36:50.880
God damn it.

645
00:36:50.940 --> 00:36:52.559
I thought that was a bit where it zips through the door.

646
00:36:52.619 --> 00:37:01.920
No, but having it upside down and then having us go inside the set and the set, stuff like that, like the camera's upside down is pretty awesome.

647
00:37:01.980 --> 00:37:02.639
That's really good.

648
00:37:02.699 --> 00:37:04.559
So stupid, isn't it?

649
00:37:04.619 --> 00:37:08.519
So just acting like it's a normal scene, but the whole thing is upside down.

650
00:37:08.579 --> 00:37:10.260
Oh, boy, boy.

651
00:37:10.320 --> 00:37:12.239
I like the fact there's need to do it.

652
00:37:12.300 --> 00:37:14.159
There's a ticking clock now as well, isn't it?

653
00:37:14.219 --> 00:37:16.679
We've got 15 minutes or someone's going to die.

654
00:37:16.739 --> 00:37:18.539
That's the point where we're going to blow up the ship.

655
00:37:18.599 --> 00:37:21.539
So now they've got to get to the bridge and release those controls.

656
00:37:21.659 --> 00:37:26.519
Well, and also, if they don't prevent the Jem'dar from going to warps.

657
00:37:26.579 --> 00:37:35.280
Somehow, Worf, who is a computer programmer now, has some, has introduced a computer virus into the thing to make it explode at warp time.

658
00:37:35.340 --> 00:37:36.300
Don't hit it too hard.

659
00:37:36.360 --> 00:37:37.980
You'll shatter the control panel.

660
00:37:38.039 --> 00:37:43.199
Just try to gently touch the control panel to the door with the nose of the runabout.

661
00:37:43.320 --> 00:37:54.239
But isn't that thing where, um, she says that I've got a very light touch and and, um, and Julian says that's not what Worf says?

662
00:37:54.840 --> 00:37:56.519
Oh, yeah.

663
00:37:56.579 --> 00:37:58.500
That's so naughty, that line.

664
00:38:01.500 --> 00:38:05.340
They love mocking Dax and Walt's sex life, don't they?

665
00:38:05.400 --> 00:38:06.059
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

666
00:38:06.119 --> 00:38:07.860
It's a great source of news of it.

667
00:38:07.920 --> 00:38:09.059
I like some DS9 crew.

668
00:38:09.119 --> 00:38:12.719
Oh, no, so now the running out's sort of hiding underneath Cisco's chair.

669
00:38:12.780 --> 00:38:13.860
Yeah, yeah.

670
00:38:13.920 --> 00:38:17.820
Well, not the chair of a panel because the chair's been taken away from her.

671
00:38:18.000 --> 00:38:24.059
I can think of a 1000 ways that a one centimetre man can get fried inside a circuit housing.

672
00:38:24.119 --> 00:38:25.980
Well, sorry, mate, you're going in anyway.

673
00:38:26.039 --> 00:38:26.820
Yeah.

674
00:38:27.539 --> 00:38:29.400
Oh, that's right.

675
00:38:29.460 --> 00:38:35.039
They have to sort of, they they do a bit of science, don't they, around oxygen and the size of the molecules.

676
00:38:35.099 --> 00:38:36.480
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

677
00:38:36.539 --> 00:38:44.219
So when they're shrinking, Nogs says that the space within their, you know, atoms is shrinking as well.

678
00:38:44.280 --> 00:38:46.559
Like their subatomic structure is shrinking as well.

679
00:38:46.619 --> 00:38:49.920
And so their atoms are smaller than normal atoms.

680
00:38:49.980 --> 00:38:53.699
And so they can't breathe the air. 20 minutes.

681
00:38:53.760 --> 00:38:57.000
That's how long we've got, 20 minutes if we put a little bubble in.

682
00:38:57.119 --> 00:39:02.519
And of course, you know, when they're there, it takes longer than 20 minutes, the air's running out.

683
00:39:02.579 --> 00:39:06.840
They're trying very hard to put that cheap bit of wire and the housing.

684
00:39:06.960 --> 00:39:10.380
So I think this is a little bit of a shame.

685
00:39:10.380 --> 00:39:18.539
And it is that we cut away from the warp, the, not the warp, the transporter effect.

686
00:39:18.599 --> 00:39:20.219
That's a beautiful shot.

687
00:39:20.219 --> 00:39:22.440
And I think it's mostly miniatures, yeah.

688
00:39:22.500 --> 00:39:30.659
But, and then they get beamed in and then we cut away from the transporter effect before the 2 actors are there.

689
00:39:30.780 --> 00:39:33.360
And I thought that was, do you know what I mean?

690
00:39:33.420 --> 00:39:36.420
Again, it's just like we can't quite do what we would like to do.

691
00:39:36.480 --> 00:39:40.860
I do like the fact that they get the scale of it right, though.

692
00:39:40.920 --> 00:39:43.500
You know, when you 1st see it, it looks vast.

693
00:39:43.559 --> 00:39:45.300
There's lots of chips in there.

694
00:39:45.420 --> 00:39:47.699
It looks beautiful too.

695
00:39:47.760 --> 00:39:50.159
It looks just like the chips from the naked now. wonderful.

696
00:39:50.219 --> 00:39:51.119
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

697
00:39:51.179 --> 00:39:52.320
Just terrific.

698
00:39:52.380 --> 00:39:54.119
With the same type typography.

699
00:39:54.179 --> 00:39:56.519
Julian's about to sit on something that's gonna fry him.

700
00:39:56.579 --> 00:39:58.440
Oh, well, I love the fact as well.

701
00:39:58.500 --> 00:40:00.659
You know the actual wire?

702
00:40:00.719 --> 00:40:03.599
Because you see those wires all the time in DSI.

703
00:40:03.659 --> 00:40:05.099
They sort of pull out these fibre optics.

704
00:40:05.159 --> 00:40:06.360
That's what those wires are.

705
00:40:06.420 --> 00:40:08.460
Yeah, yeah, yeah. how cheap they look for.

706
00:40:08.519 --> 00:40:09.840
No, don't they?

707
00:40:10.380 --> 00:40:14.340
It looks like someone you'd say or blank 7 for fuck's sake.

708
00:40:14.400 --> 00:40:21.960
Something that you use to illuminate your share house with, you know, like when you're a student or something.

709
00:40:22.019 --> 00:40:24.599
I just think Sid's really selling it as well.

710
00:40:24.659 --> 00:40:27.360
He's like, my God, look how high it is, you know?

711
00:40:27.420 --> 00:40:28.440
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

712
00:40:28.500 --> 00:40:28.920
Yeah.

713
00:40:28.980 --> 00:40:30.539
Oh, great.

714
00:40:30.599 --> 00:40:31.199
Oh, here we go.

715
00:40:31.260 --> 00:40:32.099
We're doing the white scene.

716
00:40:32.159 --> 00:40:43.199
Yeah, so this is the scene that I said earlier where you get the sense that the um, the alphas are less religious than the gammas.

717
00:40:44.099 --> 00:40:48.599
And I mean, it's sort of there in the name, isn't it?

718
00:40:48.659 --> 00:40:49.320
Alphas.

719
00:40:49.380 --> 00:40:51.480
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

720
00:40:51.539 --> 00:40:55.019
I mean, I think they should have been made to look a little bit different.

721
00:40:55.380 --> 00:40:56.880
Maybe.

722
00:40:56.940 --> 00:40:59.280
Even if it was just in the costume or something.

723
00:40:59.340 --> 00:41:03.539
Well, or, you know, like lighten some of the scales.

724
00:41:03.599 --> 00:41:04.320
Do you know what I mean?

725
00:41:04.380 --> 00:41:10.380
Like give it a pattern, some kind of pattern on the face that made it that made it look different without changing the latex or whatever.

726
00:41:10.440 --> 00:41:13.199
You know, like just something that distinguished them.

727
00:41:13.260 --> 00:41:18.480
Because, I mean, they are confusingly similar looking, just sort of generally.

728
00:41:18.539 --> 00:41:22.320
But I think if you've got 2 factions, we need to be able to see that more clearly, I think.

729
00:41:22.380 --> 00:41:27.000
I want to be kind about Alexander Sidig again, right?

730
00:41:27.059 --> 00:41:34.079
Because I really think that since DS9 started, he has properly learned to hone his acting craft, right?

731
00:41:34.139 --> 00:41:43.440
It's somewhere in series 2 where he tones it all down and just starts focussing on the text instead of doing that Hugh Grant thing, don't you do so spectacularly well.

732
00:41:43.500 --> 00:41:53.219
But there's a line reading he gives in a minute where he's trying to get a Brian to remember what the circuit time premise and he just goes, shut your eyes, focus on your memory.

733
00:41:53.280 --> 00:41:55.320
And it's just beautifully active.

734
00:41:55.380 --> 00:41:57.480
I'm like, you don't need to be this good in this scene.

735
00:41:57.539 --> 00:41:59.940
No, it's really funny, isn't it?

736
00:42:00.000 --> 00:42:01.980
Like, I don't quite know what this scene is doing.

737
00:42:02.039 --> 00:42:04.860
I mean, it is kind of eating up running time a bit.

738
00:42:04.920 --> 00:42:10.679
Like, I guess they have to find the right thing. giant isolidia rolls.

739
00:42:10.739 --> 00:42:11.340
That's it.

740
00:42:11.400 --> 00:42:20.880
So it's there for, again, because it is kind of visually impressive and interesting, which is not normally a high priority on these shows in the 90s.

741
00:42:20.940 --> 00:42:26.519
But it does look great and it does play with some law, some well established law.

742
00:42:26.579 --> 00:42:32.400
I mean, even just like the big printing on that chunk thing, the 4 thing.

743
00:42:32.460 --> 00:42:36.539
The big numbers and stuff, but using the same font that they use, you know.

744
00:42:36.599 --> 00:42:39.780
It's right, with these things in Star Trek.

745
00:42:39.840 --> 00:42:42.179
They had, you know, this and Voyager going on at the same time.

746
00:42:42.239 --> 00:42:44.400
So they would reuse props all the time.

747
00:42:44.460 --> 00:42:48.239
What the fuck are you going to reuse those huge isolinear chips for?

748
00:42:48.300 --> 00:42:51.360
How are you going to repurpose those for another show?

749
00:42:51.480 --> 00:42:52.500
It's so good.

750
00:42:52.559 --> 00:42:53.760
It's really great.

751
00:42:53.820 --> 00:43:00.840
It is really rare that you get a set that isn't visibly assembled out of other bits and pieces that they've had lying around.

752
00:43:00.900 --> 00:43:02.699
Where did they end up, Nathan?

753
00:43:02.760 --> 00:43:03.239
Please.

754
00:43:03.239 --> 00:43:05.699
Oh, did they end up on eBay somewhere?

755
00:43:05.760 --> 00:43:08.039
Giant isolineal chips?

756
00:43:08.099 --> 00:43:08.880
I'll get you one.

757
00:43:09.539 --> 00:43:12.420
I don't think they were quite so giant.

758
00:43:12.480 --> 00:43:16.500
The really giant ones that we saw in that opening shot must have been a model I think.

759
00:43:16.559 --> 00:43:18.239
Well, don't spoil it for me now.

760
00:43:18.300 --> 00:43:22.920
Well, you know, I like to think that someone's got one in their garden, you know, with a wind break or something.

761
00:43:23.400 --> 00:43:25.920
Your other half would buy one.

762
00:43:25.980 --> 00:43:26.940
Don't you worry, all right?

763
00:43:27.000 --> 00:43:28.619
2 of that, you assembled in that house.

764
00:43:31.739 --> 00:43:34.739
Oh, dude, that's it. they're all being clandestine now.

765
00:43:34.800 --> 00:43:36.179
Nog, how's he doing?

766
00:43:36.239 --> 00:43:41.579
And then he looks at Noggs and Noggs just goes, and he goes, yeah, it ain't going well, I'm afraid.

767
00:43:42.599 --> 00:43:45.179
But that's what they're doing, isn't it?

768
00:43:45.239 --> 00:43:50.880
They're fixing that. so that nog is able to bypass so that we can connect.

769
00:43:50.940 --> 00:43:51.960
Do you know what I mean?

770
00:43:52.019 --> 00:43:59.519
Like they're getting in there and bypassing whatever security thing makes it impossible for Nog to control to, you know, to control the ship.

771
00:43:59.579 --> 00:44:01.500
Crystal clear, isn't it?

772
00:44:01.559 --> 00:44:05.460
Like, sometimes I can be lost in an episode that has this much technobabble.

773
00:44:05.519 --> 00:44:08.940
But I know exactly what they're trying to do and how they're trying to do it.

774
00:44:09.000 --> 00:44:12.719
Well, because I'm in the fucking circuit right now watching them do it.

775
00:44:12.780 --> 00:44:13.679
Yeah, that's right.

776
00:44:13.739 --> 00:44:14.880
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

777
00:44:14.940 --> 00:44:16.860
Oh, God, that looks so cheap.

778
00:44:16.920 --> 00:44:17.519
I love it.

779
00:44:18.539 --> 00:44:20.280
You and me.

780
00:44:20.340 --> 00:44:24.300
I have a high aptitude for cheap tap when it comes to television.

781
00:44:24.420 --> 00:44:25.380
It's fun.

782
00:44:25.440 --> 00:44:26.699
It just looks so fun.

783
00:44:26.760 --> 00:44:28.800
Like, it just looks so brilliant.

784
00:44:28.860 --> 00:44:30.179
What's so funny is, right?

785
00:44:30.239 --> 00:44:33.539
Crow Echo is usually really sharp on the editing.

786
00:44:33.599 --> 00:44:41.699
Bashir walks away, and obviously the thing has to fall out, but it doesn't quite fall out all the way, and they decide not to go for another take.

787
00:44:42.480 --> 00:44:48.539
I think he grabs it or something. falls down.

788
00:44:50.760 --> 00:44:52.920
Sid's like, really?

789
00:44:52.980 --> 00:44:54.960
I've got to wrestle with that prop again.

790
00:44:55.019 --> 00:44:55.440
Okay.

791
00:44:55.920 --> 00:44:57.780
Turn it round.

792
00:44:57.840 --> 00:44:59.940
It's supposed to turn round.

793
00:45:00.000 --> 00:45:01.440
Yeah, yeah, yeah, well done.

794
00:45:01.500 --> 00:45:02.820
And then he seals it with a phaser.

795
00:45:02.940 --> 00:45:04.800
Yeah, yeah, that's really clever.

796
00:45:04.860 --> 00:45:05.820
I thought that was pretty good.

797
00:45:06.239 --> 00:45:08.340
Oh, look at the shit.

798
00:45:08.400 --> 00:45:09.360
Yeah.

799
00:45:09.360 --> 00:45:11.039
Well, they're running out of oxygen.

800
00:45:11.159 --> 00:45:12.119
Yeah, that's fair.

801
00:45:12.179 --> 00:45:14.880
He's leaning against the thing, but he looks quite camped, doesn't he?

802
00:45:15.000 --> 00:45:16.980
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

803
00:45:17.039 --> 00:45:19.619
Yeah, again, he's doing comedy acting, I think.

804
00:45:19.679 --> 00:45:21.780
If this is going to be my dying pose.

805
00:45:21.840 --> 00:45:22.800
It's gonna be a good one.

806
00:45:22.860 --> 00:45:24.119
It's gonna be dramatic.

807
00:45:24.179 --> 00:45:25.019
Yes, right.

808
00:45:25.380 --> 00:45:28.380
This is your bit, not thinks he's done it.

809
00:45:28.440 --> 00:45:30.659
Oh, I'm good.

810
00:45:30.719 --> 00:45:35.880
And then, of course, this is the exact point. the exact point where the Gemma Darko, right?

811
00:45:35.940 --> 00:45:37.380
We're going to start murdering people now.

812
00:45:37.440 --> 00:45:39.000
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

813
00:45:39.179 --> 00:45:42.719
Yeah, I don't know how, but I released the command codes.

814
00:45:42.960 --> 00:45:45.719
Oh, and then we needed a version.

815
00:45:45.780 --> 00:45:47.519
I wonder what the diversion is going to be.

816
00:45:49.800 --> 00:45:51.900
It's the best.

817
00:45:51.900 --> 00:45:53.519
It is just the best.

818
00:45:53.579 --> 00:45:59.820
It comes in and the trumpet goes...

819
00:45:59.820 --> 00:46:01.019
It's like...

820
00:46:01.079 --> 00:46:03.719
Okay, at this point, all sanity has left the building.

821
00:46:04.260 --> 00:46:08.699
It's got a fucking fanfare when it comes in the room.

822
00:46:08.760 --> 00:46:09.239
Awesome.

823
00:46:09.300 --> 00:46:10.260
So much fun.

824
00:46:10.320 --> 00:46:11.760
Just terrific.

825
00:46:11.820 --> 00:46:20.760
Oh, and then I just think, like, I was really on board with all of this, but then when it starts firing bloody torpedoes, that's when I was like, I love this.

826
00:46:20.820 --> 00:46:22.139
So good.

827
00:46:22.260 --> 00:46:25.199
I mean, who sat there and went, we've got to do that?

828
00:46:25.260 --> 00:46:27.300
Come on, we've got a...

829
00:46:27.360 --> 00:46:35.940
Well, I mean, because we have dialogue, I think, saying that the phases aren't working, and I don't think that we've ever seen runabouts firing torpedoes.

830
00:46:36.000 --> 00:46:38.880
I can't remember, but memory alpha, I think, may have said that.

831
00:46:38.940 --> 00:46:47.039
And so, and so they've just said, nope, the visual of it, firing, like, tiny torpedoes.

832
00:46:47.039 --> 00:46:50.940
That's full-sized shamatar is going to be glorious and it is.

833
00:46:51.000 --> 00:46:51.300
It great.

834
00:46:51.360 --> 00:46:52.260
It just looks...

835
00:46:52.320 --> 00:46:52.800
Just the noise.

836
00:46:52.860 --> 00:46:54.059
It goes...

837
00:46:54.059 --> 00:46:55.440
Doesn't it?

838
00:46:55.500 --> 00:46:59.159
like cute little torpedo noises. funny.

839
00:46:59.219 --> 00:47:01.500
Okay, come on, come on now.

840
00:47:01.559 --> 00:47:02.039
Stop talking.

841
00:47:02.099 --> 00:47:03.239
I want get to the ship coming in.

842
00:47:05.219 --> 00:47:07.559
And the scariest thing of all.

843
00:47:07.619 --> 00:47:11.340
An enormous blow up of wolf's face in the windows.

844
00:47:11.400 --> 00:47:12.239
Do you remember?

845
00:47:12.300 --> 00:47:13.320
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

846
00:47:13.380 --> 00:47:16.079
That's so cute where they're waving at each other through the window.

847
00:47:16.139 --> 00:47:18.840
That's really good Yeah, yeah.

848
00:47:18.900 --> 00:47:26.699
And the only time they interact, like those 2 different plots are operating on different levels and they, yeah, that one there.

849
00:47:27.719 --> 00:47:28.860
Oh, here we go.

850
00:47:28.920 --> 00:47:29.579
Here we go.

851
00:47:32.039 --> 00:47:33.780
Oh my god.

852
00:47:33.840 --> 00:47:36.179
I mean, the pyrotechnics as well. wash.

853
00:47:36.239 --> 00:47:38.219
I mean, there's explosions going off everywhere.

854
00:47:38.280 --> 00:47:39.659
There we go.

855
00:47:39.719 --> 00:47:42.599
Sorry, this is a terrible commentary now.

856
00:47:42.659 --> 00:47:43.320
I'm so sorry.

857
00:47:43.559 --> 00:47:46.139
They're just saying pew pew noises.

858
00:47:46.199 --> 00:47:47.760
Hurrail, get in.

859
00:47:49.260 --> 00:47:51.719
Oh, bloody hell, look, here.

860
00:47:51.719 --> 00:47:53.400
Does someone get their neck snapped?

861
00:47:53.460 --> 00:47:54.239
Oh, yes, Wolf.

862
00:47:54.300 --> 00:47:55.019
What?

863
00:47:55.019 --> 00:47:55.800
Yeah.

864
00:47:55.800 --> 00:47:58.920
No, bless him trying to have a go with a gem at all.

865
00:47:58.980 --> 00:47:59.579
Yeah.

866
00:47:59.579 --> 00:48:01.679
Bless him.

867
00:48:01.739 --> 00:48:02.820
That's it.

868
00:48:02.880 --> 00:48:04.500
Cisco's trying to, what's he doing?

869
00:48:04.559 --> 00:48:05.880
Oh, he's trying to take control.

870
00:48:07.139 --> 00:48:11.159
This guy started to get on my nerves, says Dax.

871
00:48:11.219 --> 00:48:13.800
Then, yeah, then watch.

872
00:48:13.800 --> 00:48:15.539
Off the gantry.

873
00:48:15.599 --> 00:48:16.800
So great.

874
00:48:16.860 --> 00:48:18.480
It's so much work.

875
00:48:18.599 --> 00:48:21.480
Oh, it's just absurd, isn't it?

876
00:48:21.539 --> 00:48:22.019
I love it.

877
00:48:22.559 --> 00:48:26.820
And at the same time, there's some great action going on.

878
00:48:26.940 --> 00:48:29.519
Look at Cisco beating the shit out of that, Gemma doll.

879
00:48:29.579 --> 00:48:30.119
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

880
00:48:30.179 --> 00:48:32.400
And I mean, this is what we used to with the gem Hadai.

881
00:48:32.460 --> 00:48:39.480
You know, like AR 558 and rocks and shoals and all of that sort of thing, like fighting the Jem Hadar.

882
00:48:39.539 --> 00:48:42.300
But this is a really fun fight.

883
00:48:42.360 --> 00:48:46.500
You know, uh, poor old 2nd is, um, gonna die.

884
00:48:46.559 --> 00:48:48.300
Is he your blood on his chest?

885
00:48:48.360 --> 00:48:49.079
He does, doesn't he?

886
00:48:49.139 --> 00:48:50.099
Yeah, yeah.

887
00:48:50.159 --> 00:48:52.139
I see a lot of blood in Star Trek.

888
00:48:52.260 --> 00:48:56.039
He doesn't quite get his dying line out though, does he?

889
00:48:56.099 --> 00:48:57.000
No, he doesn't.

890
00:48:57.059 --> 00:48:59.219
Victory is and he's dead.

891
00:48:59.280 --> 00:49:00.059
That's right.

892
00:49:00.239 --> 00:49:02.340
It was a silly character.

893
00:49:02.400 --> 00:49:03.659
He had to die on a silly line.

894
00:49:03.719 --> 00:49:07.739
Word, no, but I think he's the best German art character in this episode.

895
00:49:07.800 --> 00:49:08.820
I think he's probably good.

896
00:49:08.880 --> 00:49:10.679
Look at Norc with the gun.

897
00:49:10.739 --> 00:49:11.699
I mean that's pretty silly.

898
00:49:12.420 --> 00:49:16.860
Where we go. goes, Mr. Worf, I believe your wife is here.

899
00:49:17.099 --> 00:49:19.019
And then she comes.

900
00:49:19.079 --> 00:49:19.980
Whee!

901
00:49:21.119 --> 00:49:23.099
Isn't it so lovely?

902
00:49:23.159 --> 00:49:24.000
the thing.

903
00:49:24.059 --> 00:49:24.960
So happy.

904
00:49:25.860 --> 00:49:30.900
He's probably thinking, shit, how are we going to have our sex talk when she's that tiny?

905
00:49:31.019 --> 00:49:32.099
What are we going to do?

906
00:49:32.159 --> 00:49:35.639
Oh, here we go back to the station for some gags at the end.

907
00:49:35.699 --> 00:49:42.360
And the, you know, they've been restored to normal, normal size with their usual skill.

908
00:49:44.400 --> 00:49:47.820
We wouldn't have had any other line, would we?

909
00:49:47.880 --> 00:49:48.780
Yeah, that's right.

910
00:49:48.840 --> 00:49:52.440
Well, of course, we're still going to get a gag out of that, though.

911
00:49:52.500 --> 00:49:54.719
Are they at their normal size?

912
00:49:54.780 --> 00:49:57.780
Let's find out I kind of hope that they aren't.

913
00:49:57.900 --> 00:50:01.079
In my head, they are actually a little bit shorter and couldn't do anything about it.

914
00:50:01.199 --> 00:50:04.920
But the way that they emphasise it is something that I thought was really good.

915
00:50:04.980 --> 00:50:06.780
I think this scene is adorable.

916
00:50:06.840 --> 00:50:12.239
And I do like Worf saying, I do not wish to be ridiculed about the poem.

917
00:50:12.360 --> 00:50:17.579
And then he reads out the 1st line and it's clearly just ridiculously shit.

918
00:50:17.579 --> 00:50:22.559
And then he looks to her for approval and she doesn't quite know what to say.

919
00:50:23.039 --> 00:50:25.440
It's, uh, hmm.

920
00:50:25.440 --> 00:50:29.400
Her face is like, that's even worse than I thought it was going to be.

921
00:50:29.460 --> 00:50:30.360
That's right.

922
00:50:30.420 --> 00:50:34.500
And then he's he's he's making fun of her.

923
00:50:34.559 --> 00:50:38.639
Like, he puts her in that awkward position deliberately.

924
00:50:38.699 --> 00:50:42.719
They are so in love at this point. isn't it wonderful?

925
00:50:42.840 --> 00:50:49.619
But to get Warf to be the guy who does the joke instead of being the butt of the joke.

926
00:50:49.679 --> 00:50:54.719
And no, the thing here, the thing in this scene, so this is just absolutely tremendous.

927
00:50:54.780 --> 00:51:01.739
So they're trying to be sort of really manly man and hit on this sort of woman here and talk about their exploits and stuff.

928
00:51:01.800 --> 00:51:08.159
And so naturally, Odo comes up and undermines them by saying, are you sure you've returned to your office?

929
00:51:08.219 --> 00:51:11.639
official joke, Nathan, of her leaning against the farm.

930
00:51:11.699 --> 00:51:13.260
And then she stands up.

931
00:51:13.320 --> 00:51:15.239
She's a fucking behemon.

932
00:51:16.320 --> 00:51:18.239
My over them.

933
00:51:18.239 --> 00:51:19.679
It's so funny.

934
00:51:19.739 --> 00:51:21.300
And then such a good choice.

935
00:51:21.420 --> 00:51:23.579
He's like, I didn't have a nose.

936
00:51:23.699 --> 00:51:25.440
You are a bit on the petite side, you know.

937
00:51:27.780 --> 00:51:30.239
Taking the piss out of them together.

938
00:51:30.300 --> 00:51:31.619
It's wonderful.

939
00:51:31.679 --> 00:51:34.619
No, and the last line is the zinger.

940
00:51:34.679 --> 00:51:37.320
And they say you didn't have a sense of humour.

941
00:51:37.559 --> 00:51:42.960
But also, I just think Odo's laughing, it is so much fun as well.

942
00:51:43.019 --> 00:51:44.159
Like he just says he does.

943
00:51:47.519 --> 00:51:49.619
Yeah, it's great.

944
00:51:49.679 --> 00:51:53.760
Just those 2 together, a proper smile from Renee, it's wonderful.

945
00:51:53.880 --> 00:51:57.179
Why God, every episode of Star Trek ended this fashion.

946
00:51:57.239 --> 00:51:58.679
So good.

947
00:51:58.800 --> 00:51:59.880
Just heaven.

948
00:52:00.179 --> 00:52:02.460
I mean, do you know what?

949
00:52:02.519 --> 00:52:10.500
There's um, there's a few moments, you're right, where it's cheap, but I just think the last, maybe 10 minutes of that is just sublime.

950
00:52:10.559 --> 00:52:11.760
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

951
00:52:11.820 --> 00:52:25.679
And I think, you know, like what you said before about them, I mean, they always have to use their money judiciously and sometimes they have a money saving episode, which always blows out and never works properly to save them actual money.

952
00:52:25.739 --> 00:52:38.760
But here, like I do think that they choose to save all of the money for those effect shots because that's what the episode lives or dies on, is the interaction between the 2 scales, and it's clear that it's limited what they can get it to do.

953
00:52:38.820 --> 00:52:49.320
But what they can get it to is really fun and funny, and like having the one stalking the Jem'Hadar, and having it fly between the legs of the other Jem'Hadar, and then shooting the door control.

954
00:52:49.380 --> 00:52:50.579
Yeah, wonderful.

955
00:52:50.639 --> 00:52:52.260
I mean, just terrific stuff.

956
00:52:52.320 --> 00:52:52.800
So good.

957
00:52:52.860 --> 00:53:07.679
I mean, I always suspect it because there is like a lovely, gentle wit lights through this episode and because the actors are playing it more sitcom than usual, that the production team knew, right, what they were doing with this episode.

958
00:53:07.739 --> 00:53:08.760
Like, it has to be light.

959
00:53:08.820 --> 00:53:10.320
It has to be gentle, even though.

960
00:53:10.320 --> 00:53:10.980
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

961
00:53:11.400 --> 00:53:16.860
You telling me that they took out the scene where the Gem'dar murders somebody just proves they know it.

962
00:53:16.920 --> 00:53:19.739
Yeah, that's that's so jarring in the middle of this.

963
00:53:19.800 --> 00:53:24.300
Yeah, well, I think it's that, you know, like people think that if Star Trek's ridiculous, it's failed.

964
00:53:24.360 --> 00:53:29.880
Like it's done something wrong and it's it's tripped and fallen on its face into being ridiculous.

965
00:53:29.880 --> 00:53:33.480
And we've said before that Ridiculous isn't the failure mode.

966
00:53:33.539 --> 00:53:35.760
It's frequently gunning for ridiculous.

967
00:53:35.820 --> 00:53:46.980
And here, with Kira reacting at the way that she does in that opening scene, you know, everyone involved knows that this is silly, and so we're going to have fun.

968
00:53:47.039 --> 00:53:48.480
Like we're going to have fun.

969
00:53:48.539 --> 00:53:52.139
I mean, the line we didn't say it, so let's say it now.

970
00:53:52.199 --> 00:53:56.400
Just because we're shrinking 3 people to the size of coffee cups.

971
00:53:56.460 --> 00:53:58.139
Coffee cups is so good.

972
00:53:58.199 --> 00:54:00.000
Because it's not even true.

973
00:54:00.239 --> 00:54:02.280
They're shrinking them smaller.

974
00:54:02.340 --> 00:54:08.820
They do know their audience, though, and they do know that people think that Star Trek is a failure.

975
00:54:08.940 --> 00:54:09.960
If it is silly.

976
00:54:10.079 --> 00:54:16.380
So what you're getting here is what you also want, which is a bit of Dominion War, a bit of action at the end.

977
00:54:16.440 --> 00:54:20.579
You're getting loads of techla babble and you're getting a problem for the whole crew to solve.

978
00:54:20.639 --> 00:54:24.719
So it's ticking all the Star Trek box whilst it's being absolutely ridiculous.

979
00:54:24.780 --> 00:54:37.380
But it's not doing what we do in other contexts with the Jem'Hadar, whether Jem'Hadar are kind of noble and serious and they're being kind of screwed over both by the founders and the vorta.

980
00:54:37.440 --> 00:54:41.519
And they have a kind of nobility and and we respect them and stuff like that.

981
00:54:41.579 --> 00:54:52.440
This is a much more, as you said before, a much more cartoony, a much more action movie version of the Jamhadar, which works tremendously well for this episode.

982
00:54:52.619 --> 00:55:26.639
When DF Noid does what I call TNG style episodes, and in the latter years, it's quite rare, it goes one or 2 ways, you either get, move along home, stroke, Meridian, and go, oh, boy, thank God they stuck to the politicking later on, or you get stuff like civil defence, which could be a TNG episode, or children of time, which is an amazing character story, but it's absolutely a TNG style premise, even on the colony set and everything.

983
00:55:27.119 --> 00:55:32.519
This, I'm very pleased to say, is absolutely the latter of those two.

984
00:55:32.579 --> 00:55:41.039
It is something they probably could have done on TNG with a few tweaks, but it's got the sort of DS9 magic to it.

985
00:55:41.099 --> 00:55:42.420
Yeah, yeah.

986
00:55:42.480 --> 00:55:56.219
It is very, very similar to rascals in the premise and in the tone and it's just a few years long and they're a bit more assured and they're a bit better at comedy on this show than they were on TNG.

987
00:55:56.280 --> 00:56:00.659
And I think the Jemadara, pretty great adversaries. actually.

988
00:56:00.719 --> 00:56:02.159
I think they're a bit underrated.

989
00:56:02.639 --> 00:56:06.360
And they work really well in this sort of context too.

990
00:56:06.420 --> 00:56:11.639
Well, I suppose we should go and choose something a lot more serious and dull than this then.

991
00:56:11.760 --> 00:56:13.440
Let's do that.

992
00:56:25.500 --> 00:56:29.820
Alright, it's the end of the episode, and it's time for us to work out where we're going next.

993
00:56:29.880 --> 00:56:39.239
This was your choice, Joe, and I have decided not to do what we just said we were going to do and watch something boring and serious.

994
00:56:39.300 --> 00:56:49.019
I think Star Trek does comedy so well that we are going to treat ourselves to an episode of Star Trek Lower Decks.

995
00:56:49.079 --> 00:56:52.139
Oh, well, I mean, we know we're going to laugh at that.

996
00:56:52.199 --> 00:56:52.860
Come on now.

997
00:56:52.920 --> 00:56:57.719
I mean, you know, I went for something serious and we got a great comedy to watch.

998
00:56:57.780 --> 00:57:00.059
It was serendipitous, wouldn't you say, this week?

999
00:57:00.119 --> 00:57:00.960
Yes.

1000
00:57:01.019 --> 00:57:06.900
I don't think I think we can get sort of a bit serious with Star Trek Lower Decks, but it will definitely be funny.

1001
00:57:06.960 --> 00:57:11.460
There's always a gag in there that makes me howl in every episode, right?

1002
00:57:11.579 --> 00:57:12.360
So good.

1003
00:57:12.420 --> 00:57:13.500
I love it so much.

1004
00:57:13.559 --> 00:57:15.119
All right.

1005
00:57:15.179 --> 00:57:16.860
So I'm going to press the button.

1006
00:57:16.920 --> 00:57:19.320
I'm you know, selecting all the seasons.

1007
00:57:19.380 --> 00:57:20.940
So let's see where we go.

1008
00:57:21.119 --> 00:57:27.480
So your random Star Trek Lower Decks episode is season one, episode 8, Veritas.

1009
00:57:27.539 --> 00:57:29.699
So it's pretty early.

1010
00:57:29.699 --> 00:57:42.119
And I think it's one where they find themselves, they're sort of strung up and they're being interrogated in a room that looks like the courtroom from Star Trek 6.

1011
00:57:42.179 --> 00:57:44.099
But it's not by the Klingons.

1012
00:57:44.159 --> 00:57:48.480
And I think there's sort of various flashbacks and stuff about what they have been going through.

1013
00:57:48.480 --> 00:57:57.719
And there's kind of a bit of a thing about, how they never really properly know what's going on because they're lower deckers because it's still sort of quite early and they're still playing with the premise.

1014
00:57:57.780 --> 00:58:04.500
It's pretty good, and I have watched it a bunch of times, but I want to roll again, I think, shall we?

1015
00:58:04.559 --> 00:58:06.000
I think we could get something about.

1016
00:58:06.059 --> 00:58:06.840
Yeah, go on.

1017
00:58:06.900 --> 00:58:07.199
Okay.

1018
00:58:09.059 --> 00:58:17.280
Your random Star Trek Lower Decks episode is season four, episode four, something borrowed, something green.

1019
00:58:17.340 --> 00:58:21.179
Tandy returns to Orion for her sister's wedding.

1020
00:58:21.300 --> 00:58:25.980
Okay, already it starts like gold, only to discover the bride to be has gone missing.

1021
00:58:26.039 --> 00:58:27.420
Oh, is it a great wedding comedy?

1022
00:58:27.539 --> 00:58:29.159
Yeah, I can't remember.

1023
00:58:29.219 --> 00:58:37.500
Actually, I think it's an action thing because there's a whole kind of, you know, like Tandy thing around the turn of the season at one point.

1024
00:58:37.559 --> 00:58:42.420
Remember, she has to resign from Starfleet and stuff like that and Rutherford's missing her.

1025
00:58:42.480 --> 00:58:43.980
I can't remember exactly where that is.

1026
00:58:44.039 --> 00:58:45.900
I am going to roll again.

1027
00:58:45.960 --> 00:58:49.440
I love Tandy maybe more than any other character on the show.

1028
00:58:50.519 --> 00:58:59.340
She's a science nerd, but she also has that kind of level of just sort of edge of mania about the way that the lines are delivered.

1029
00:58:59.400 --> 00:59:01.079
I just think she's tremendous.

1030
00:59:01.139 --> 00:59:05.340
Nathan, I'm just looking at these tiles are on the website here.

1031
00:59:05.400 --> 00:59:06.539
The inner fight.

1032
00:59:06.599 --> 00:59:08.219
I mean, what...

1033
00:59:08.280 --> 00:59:08.760
Listen to this.

1034
00:59:08.820 --> 00:59:10.380
A farewell to farms.

1035
00:59:10.380 --> 00:59:11.940
Instead of a quarter.

1036
00:59:12.000 --> 00:59:15.360
The best exotic Nanite hotel.

1037
00:59:15.960 --> 00:59:17.699
Listen to this.

1038
00:59:17.760 --> 00:59:18.900
What a fucking nerve.

1039
00:59:18.960 --> 00:59:19.980
Shades of green.

1040
00:59:21.599 --> 00:59:23.519
That's great.

1041
00:59:23.579 --> 00:59:25.860
Oh, I love this stupid show.

1042
00:59:25.920 --> 00:59:27.539
It's so good.

1043
00:59:27.599 --> 00:59:29.460
Come on in. looks like you get one of those.

1044
00:59:29.519 --> 00:59:30.480
Okay.

1045
00:59:31.019 --> 00:59:34.139
Oh, where pleasant fountains lie.

1046
00:59:34.199 --> 00:59:35.820
I actually really like this one.

1047
00:59:35.880 --> 00:59:37.559
I should like this.

1048
00:59:37.559 --> 00:59:38.039
No way.

1049
00:59:38.099 --> 00:59:38.880
Where's that?

1050
00:59:38.940 --> 00:59:41.159
So it's season two, episode seven.

1051
00:59:41.219 --> 00:59:44.340
Uh, Chief Engineers Billup's mother.

1052
00:59:44.400 --> 00:59:51.000
Oh, God, I love the chief engineer. who has long tried to get her son to return home and oh, no, we've got to do this one.

1053
00:59:51.119 --> 00:59:53.400
If this is the one where, yeah, it is.

1054
00:59:55.739 --> 01:00:06.179
So, so the mother has to, Billips, if Billips ever has sex, he has to take his rightful place. has the captain.

1055
01:00:06.239 --> 01:00:12.000
And so the mother keeps tricking him into trying to have sex. because she doesn't approve of him being an engineer.

1056
01:00:12.420 --> 01:00:17.639
Poor camp engineer who's trying to avoid having it off, left right.

1057
01:00:17.760 --> 01:00:24.420
That's right And she sends a hot guy and a hot girl to his room.

1058
01:00:24.480 --> 01:00:26.579
And isn't there a great subplot in this one as well?

1059
01:00:26.639 --> 01:00:28.199
they're on a planet.

1060
01:00:28.260 --> 01:00:37.019
Well, there's a, because um, the planet that he comes from, it's like a Renaissance fair planet where it's all elves and dragons and stuff.

1061
01:00:37.079 --> 01:00:45.119
And so she has a sort of, you know, sort of preposterously kind of mediaeval looking spaceship and things. it's mostly about her.

1062
01:00:45.179 --> 01:00:45.960
I think it'd be really fun.

1063
01:00:46.019 --> 01:00:47.460
I think we should do it.

1064
01:00:47.579 --> 01:00:48.780
Oh, no.

1065
01:00:48.840 --> 01:00:54.179
I remember that being a standout of that, yeah, in terms of just giving me a belly laughs.

1066
01:00:54.239 --> 01:00:56.039
And, you know, we've been laughing this week.

1067
01:00:56.099 --> 01:00:58.739
Let's laugh next week as well. absolutely.

1068
01:00:58.800 --> 01:00:59.699
Let's do it.

1069
01:01:06.960 --> 01:01:12.239
You've been listening to Untitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford and Nathan Bottomley.

1070
01:01:12.300 --> 01:01:18.599
We're online at untitled Star Trek project.com where you can find subscription links and links to our social media accounts.

1071
01:01:18.659 --> 01:01:23.820
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Ciceran and the theme was composed by Cameron Lamb.

1072
01:01:23.880 --> 01:01:29.219
This episode was recorded on the 4th of August 2026 and released on the 7th of August.

1073
01:01:29.280 --> 01:01:34.320
We'll see you next time for Star Trek Lower Decks, where Pleasant Fountains lie.

1074
01:01:52.380 --> 01:01:54.900
Yeah, just absurd.

1075
01:01:54.960 --> 01:01:55.380
I love it.

1076
01:01:55.440 --> 01:01:57.179
So good.

1077
01:01:57.239 --> 01:01:57.900
So much fun.

1078
01:01:57.960 --> 01:01:58.980
So good.

1079
01:01:59.039 --> 01:02:00.420
Oh, I love stupid.

1080
01:02:00.480 --> 01:02:03.480
So it's Renee at Chavaria, apparently.

1081
01:02:03.539 --> 01:02:15.719
It was his idea and he'd been pitching it ever since, uh, ever since Star Trek the Next Generation and he tried to get them to do it on Voyager, he tried to get Jerry Taylor to do it.

1082
01:02:15.780 --> 01:02:19.079
He tried to get like, like, he'd get going, just go about it.

1083
01:02:19.500 --> 01:02:21.179
Oh, come on.

1084
01:02:21.239 --> 01:02:22.980
We're not doing a shrinking the sheep thing.

1085
01:02:23.039 --> 01:02:26.579
That's stupid And then we do it anyway.

1086
01:02:26.699 --> 01:02:29.280
Didn't you know we're doing serious stuff?

1087
01:02:29.340 --> 01:02:32.159
We're making Tom Paris a lizard this week.

1088
01:02:32.219 --> 01:02:34.199
This is proper science fiction.

1089
01:02:34.920 --> 01:02:37.980
Absolutely how DNA works, you know.

1090
01:02:38.039 --> 01:02:40.019
Yeah, that's it.

1091
01:02:40.380 --> 01:02:41.880
God.

1092
01:02:42.059 --> 01:02:45.000
You know, weird Star Trek science.

1093
01:02:45.059 --> 01:02:48.179
I mean, it can be truly dismal, can't it?

1094
01:02:48.239 --> 01:02:50.039
That's my Star Trek science.

1095
01:02:50.039 --> 01:02:51.599
Where they're...

1096
01:02:51.719 --> 01:02:53.820
They're not only explaining everything to me, Nathan.

1097
01:02:53.880 --> 01:02:55.980
They're also showing me inside the circuits.

1098
01:02:56.039 --> 01:02:57.780
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1099
01:02:57.840 --> 01:02:58.739
That's so good.

1100
01:02:58.800 --> 01:03:02.579
Yeah, I just think that, because I would have loved the scene.

1101
01:03:02.639 --> 01:03:05.699
Like for the screen gram for the for the website.

1102
01:03:05.760 --> 01:03:15.000
I would have loved the scene with Julian and Miles standing amidst, you know, in that model shot, but they don't really appear.

1103
01:03:15.239 --> 01:03:16.860
We cut away.

1104
01:03:16.920 --> 01:03:18.119
I'm gonna find out now.

1105
01:03:18.179 --> 01:03:19.260
I'm just going to Google.

1106
01:03:19.320 --> 01:03:20.699
What?

1107
01:03:20.820 --> 01:03:23.099
Happened to.

1108
01:03:23.699 --> 01:03:25.860
The giant...

1109
01:03:27.599 --> 01:03:30.000
I bet you, I bet you.

1110
01:03:30.119 --> 01:03:32.400
How do you spell isolinear?

1111
01:03:32.460 --> 01:03:33.480
Linny uh.

1112
01:03:33.599 --> 01:03:35.639
I-S-O. Yeah, linear.

1113
01:03:35.699 --> 01:03:39.780
So, we were talking about how much we've done of Star Trek, Ryan.

1114
01:03:39.840 --> 01:03:56.519
And the, our, um, like the randomiser has 966 episodes of Star Trek because some of the 2 partters are listed as one.

1115
01:03:56.579 --> 01:04:01.320
And in fact, on the front page of memory, Alpha, at the moment, they're kind of going, how did you get a thousand?

1116
01:04:01.380 --> 01:04:18.539
You know, like I say, you know, like, um, we've done, so we've done 209 episodes, even though this is episode 195, I think, of untitled Star Trek project, because we've done 2 partters as well.

1117
01:04:18.599 --> 01:04:20.400
So we've done 209.

1118
01:04:20.579 --> 01:04:25.199
So we are currently at 21.64%.

1119
01:04:25.739 --> 01:04:27.719
21.5.

1120
01:04:27.840 --> 01:04:30.300
I mean, that's a lot, right?

1121
01:04:30.360 --> 01:04:31.139
That is a lot.

1122
01:04:31.199 --> 01:04:35.219
I don't know, because it's a tag, but honestly, be grateful people, all right?

1123
01:04:35.280 --> 01:04:37.199
We're working away through this journey now.

1124
01:04:37.260 --> 01:04:40.619
Oh, I can't actually see that it's ever been auctioned.

1125
01:04:40.679 --> 01:04:43.980
Do you know how they auctioned off loads of the sets?

1126
01:04:44.039 --> 01:04:48.300
I'm going to look at the end of memory alpha because that's where it usually says they auctioned off the scripts and things like that.

1127
01:04:48.360 --> 01:04:53.940
I'm sorry, but the people will want to know what's happening. giant isolinear rods.

1128
01:04:54.000 --> 01:04:55.500
Uh, hang on.

1129
01:04:55.559 --> 01:04:56.579
Go on, in it.

1130
01:04:56.639 --> 01:04:59.280
And they don't scrimp on the detail in memory, Alpha, do they?

1131
01:04:59.340 --> 01:05:00.420
No.

1132
01:05:00.480 --> 01:05:02.039
But I'm grateful for that.

1133
01:05:02.099 --> 01:05:06.539
I love those people Nominated for an Emmy award for outstanding special visual effects.

1134
01:05:06.599 --> 01:05:07.619
Yeah.

1135
01:05:07.679 --> 01:05:08.460
Yeah.

1136
01:05:08.519 --> 01:05:17.280
You see, I think it is pretty impressive even like at the time, that is a new thing that the ships can do, like having the ships flying around inside another ship.

1137
01:05:17.340 --> 01:05:20.099
You couldn't have achieved that in Star Trek, the next generation.

1138
01:05:20.400 --> 01:05:22.800
No, this, yeah.

1139
01:05:22.920 --> 01:05:24.780
Nothing auctioned from this episode.

1140
01:05:24.840 --> 01:05:26.219
I guess they just jumped them.

1141
01:05:27.420 --> 01:05:29.880
Oh, sad.

1142
01:05:30.960 --> 01:05:35.820
Sorry, you're not gonna have to have another hideous windbreak in your garden instead for Christmas.

1143
01:05:35.880 --> 01:05:36.539
Yeah.

1144
01:05:36.599 --> 01:05:37.199
Yeah.