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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So, we're back, and we are back in the 1960s.

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It's the 13th of October, 1966.

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It's season one, episode 6 of the original series, and it's Muds Women.

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Oh, Flower Power.

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The colours are day glow and the sex is flowing.

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We're in the 60s, baby.

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That's right.

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So this is incredibly early, and Memory Alpha gives it as episode three.

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And it was going to be, like it was one of the candidates for the 2nd pilot, but they go for where no one has gone before instead.

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But it's really, really early.

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And so there are some things about it that I think are kind of charming, but it's so weird.

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Just the charming. sexual politics.

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You're mad.

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No, I'll get there.

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I will get there.

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They'll be intimate that I did quite like, but holy crap.

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You can tell, can't you?

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You can tell because of who is in the wrong colours and Spock doesn't look like Spock.

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There's something weird going on with his eyebrows and I ears and hair.

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And his performance and his performance.

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Yeah.

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He looks very amused by all of this, doesn't he?

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Which I quite like, actually.

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I quite enjoy that.

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And of course, it's one of 2 episodes.

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I think the other one is where no one has gone before, where the ship is pounded by lithium crystals instead of dilithium crystals.

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And a guy as much.

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Well, yeah, it's two, I think.

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So...

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Look, we need to edit this, all right. make it 2 crystals, all right?

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Yeah, yeah.

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Well, I think it's so it's not a real thing so that it can be a fake, you know, a made-up thing.

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But it is, of course, from a world that really no longer exists and...

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Yes, yes, and that he's strangely alien.

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And of the 2 of us, I am the one whose lifespan actually overlaps very slightly with the run of TOS and I was born just before the last incredibly sexist episode.

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Unbelievable time. to me, Nathan.

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I mean, look at you.

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I refuse to believe you was around when I was so young.

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Oh, my God.

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But of course, the final episode of Star Trek is turnabout intruder, which is also just kind of lamentably sexist.

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This is really, really weird and bad in all sorts of ways.

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So creepy.

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I was watching the opening scenes just going, I mean, I feel as if I'm really shouldn't be here being voyeuristically watching these men getting extremely turned on just because there are women on the transport.

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One of my favourite things, and I think it's in one of the captain's logs is Shatner delivering the line.

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These women have a mysterious magnetic effect on the male members.

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Oh, no.

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Well, I'm here to report they had no effects on my member. whatsoever.

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Does he say that?

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He literally says it.

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It's great.

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I have not reached Star Trek at this point.

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I think they have to die.

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Because the term member, like, is so old.

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Like, um, like the Latin phrase, uh, I've seen used in a, like an ancient Greek dictionary.

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Like it's called the male member in the in the 1611 translation of the Bible, I think, in Deuteronomy 23, the phrase is used.

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It's sad that I should know that, but I do.

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I love that you know that.

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My God, I've all the facts from the Bible that you know, you know.

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But it's so weird.

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I mean, it is so weird and it is hard to tell exactly what's being said.

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It's you, wouldn't it?

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I said, why is this episode trying to tell me?

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And then you came back with some very amusing possibilities.

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I thought, oh, I was not trying to say that.

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I think I have nailed what it is.

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I'm trying to say it, I think it is exactly that.

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But it is very light on incident, and we've quoted Scott McNulty before that every episode of the original series is about kind of 10 minutes too long. 25 here, maybe.

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I mean, this could be an animated series, episode comfortably.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, it could be.

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And of course, this is Harry Maud, whom we haven't kind of mentioned so far, and I think he's great, and I can see why they give him a return appearance in the original series in an episode called IMud.

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Uh, they get him back, and they do get him back for the animated series.

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The same actor, Roger C.

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Carmel, and I can't remember what that episode is called.

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I hear, Nathan, that all those subsequent TOS episodes.

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They managed to somehow get even more sexist as they go along.

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This is sort of like the least sexist and it's incredibly sexist indeed.

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No one can hold a candle to the discovery mud though, who is just amazingly good.

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Yeah, so that's Rain Wilson.

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And but you can see that what they're trying to do in discovery, and it's very early on in discovery, it's discovery series one.

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They get him back.

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He gets a couple of episodes because he's initially encountered like in prison, imprisoned by Lorell, you know, Vokes, Klingon girlfriend.

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And so we meet him, and then, of course, he comes on board Discovery and is in magic to make the sanest man go mad.

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And he leaves, remember, with that woman who he's engaged to.

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Oh, it's so funny.

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The tables have turned.

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It's a very, very camp, weirdly 60s kind of Star Trek ending.

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And it is Discovery, just doing what we now know Kurtzman Trek will go on to do over and over again, which is to take those sort of weird and marginal and unloved parts of Star Trek and reclaim them.

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Like make sure that we know their canon and and show them some love. you remember?

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You remember the discovery crew, I've never been in a TOS episode before, and that last scene, they just all look so baffled as to what's going on when that harridan comes along and drags him away, and they're all sort of going, what are we in now?

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What's happening?

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Normally we're a lot more serious than this.

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It's very, very fat.

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There is a difference, though, right?

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Mud in discovery doesn't come along like an Austin Powers villain with a load of evil women with machine gun jubblings like he does in this.

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Yeah, boy, yeah, boy.

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Yeah.

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But I mean, I do think he's kind of charming.

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And I do think that there is something interesting about introducing that character to your futuristic space show, where he is dressed kind of like a pantomime pirate and he's got the earring and the, you know, the waxed moustache and all of that sort of thing, like he's got this really kind of fun comedy.

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Yeah, pantomime look to him.

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And I like that, you know, like, I think that is...

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I say something outrageous.

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What's that?

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I mean, literally outrageous.

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I think I'd prefer the outrageous O'Connor, you know.

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Like, I mean, he's all of that, but really hot as well.

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Yeah, and I think the outrageous O'Connor is trying to do the same thing. that Mud is doing, which is why he gets the episode title.

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So outrageous O'Connor is in TNG season two.

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And then, of course, he appears in an episode of Lower Decks and in an episode...

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Is he still seducing women, left, right centre, because he's so hot.

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We don't really get to see him all that closely.

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He is just mentioned.

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I think it's in an embarrassment of duplers that he gets mentioned.

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And I think he's DJing at a party or something like that.

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And he does appear in prodigy as well.

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He so hot, Nathan.

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He makes Terry Hutcher.

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Get a sweat on in the ARH O'Connor.

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But you're right.

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The idea of this sort of like camp silly pirate, it's a really fun idea.

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It's certainly a very TOS idea to have big eccentric characters come along.

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I just don't need the women.

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And this is called Muds Women.

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And unfortunately, when it comes with a load of women, which brings with it a ton of misogyny, I'm like, well, I don't know if the trade-off's worth it then for this crazy character.

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And and so it is trying to say something about this.

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And so, you know, they're the cargo, they're identified as his cargo, as if he's trafficking them.

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And it's made clear that they are coming along willingly because they want men and they come from places where there are no available men and so he's going to get them rich husbands.

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And so, like, they're not being trafficked so much.

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Imagine that.

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A world where there's no men.

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Oh, Nathan. sounds terrible.

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But, you know, when TNG goes back to this well for age one.

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Oh, God.

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No, not Angel one, what's the one with Famka Jansen in it?

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Oh, the perfect May?

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The perfect maid, which I think is worse, you know, in a way than this, because, well, it does do the same thing where she's being trafficked and she's going to be handed over to a man whom she doesn't love as a wife, like as a consort, but she's really in love with Picard.

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And we hint.

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There's hints of this with Eve.

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Do you know what I mean?

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That she's in love with Kirk. but she settles instead for what's his face?

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fellow in the car.

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I remember his name.

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Yeah, the fella in the car.

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I don't know the dishes, love.

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Go on.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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But she gets a more satisfactory ending.

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I do actually think the ending where Eve ends up with a guy in the cave is actually kind of a happy ending and it is a little bit more sensible and realistic and down to earth than the sort of huge comedy nonsense that we've had for the rest of it.

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And when I say comedy nonsense, this isn't particularly funny.

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Oh, there are no jokes in this.

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No.

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Everyone's acting as if there are jokes in this.

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Everyone saw looking a bit wryly amused by the whole thing, but there are no witty lions.

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No, which is a which is a shame.

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Because they can do comedy, right?

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We've seen great comedies in TOS.

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But this is so early.

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Do you know what I mean?

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It's so early.

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They're still finding their feet.

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They don't know what they're doing.

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And can I also say that this is Gene Roddenbury's story.

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Oh, fuck.

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Well, we all doomed then. aren't we?

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Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah.

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He was responsible for Angel one as well, remember?

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Yeah.

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So he doesn't write the script, but he gives very detailed notes and he gets a story credit for it.

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And so it's the usual horny Roddenbury staff, which we get acquainted with again in season one of TNG.

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Well, I got the same ick from this as I do with Sleazebag, Julian Bashir in season one of DS9, where he's trying to fuck everybody around him, but also romance Dax at the same time.

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The same sort of ick I get from Neelix having sex with a two-year-old.

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You know what I mean?

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somewhere weaved into Star Trek.

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There's this level of sort of absurdest, icky sexuality.

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Yeah, where I wish I just hadn't gone there at all.

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Like, they can be sexy, Star Trek.

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I mean, Kursman Trek can be incredibly sexy, boy, or boy.

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You have me been fanning ourselves down at some points.

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Boy, these were rocky lessons to learn, weren't they, along the way?

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And, I mean, we'll get there.

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I mean, that bit on the transporter pad, I was just like, oh, I'm in trouble here. where I endured 2 minutes of close-ups on Deforest Kelly drooling and these women, and you know what?

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I love.

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I love powerful women in Star Trek, yeah?

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Kira, Dax, some of those fabulous women in Kurtzman Trek, half of the cast, strange New Worlds.

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I love powerful women.

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These women display nothing at all.

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They're just pretty.

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They don't do anything else.

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They're not clever.

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Do you know what I mean?

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They're not funny.

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They're not strategious.

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They're not scientists.

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They do nothing but stand there and be pretty.

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I don't know what the appeal is.

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I have to say, though, that I do actually like where Eve ends up, and I think there are some, there are some good moments with her.

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She's significantly older than the other cast, like they're in, you know, 20 and so on and she's 35.

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She's not that old, but she is a bit older than them.

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And I think she gives a reasonably good performance.

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But, but it is in the context of a lot of like absurd camp nonsense and as well as some sort of fairly good sensible scenes at the end.

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We do get her hysterical in this sort of sequined dress, you know, going through that stupid planet set, which we see now for the 1st time, I think.

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Well, the whole, the moral bit where he goes in and goes, oh, no, you weren't given the medicine.

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You were given flavoured gummies, you know.

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The real beauty liars within.

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I was like, oh, fuck off.

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Fuck off.

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Yeah.

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Jesus, God, I don't think that's the proper moral bit, but I do think that there's...

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Get in the kitchen.

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Go do me ironing.

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That's the moral.

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But I think that I was perhaps trying to put that in the worst way possible.

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And I do think there is a way of squinting and actually kind of thinking that there is an attempt to say something good here, given the kind of era that this turns up in.

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And I don't want to forgive this because, you know, there are women who knew this was awful.

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There was feminism around at the time.

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This was not the only attitude to women that was available.

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It's the one that they chose and it was a bad choice.

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What year are we now?

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What year is this?

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66.

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66.

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So we've had Barbara Wright and Doctor Who already.

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Who could, you know, fall into the traps of the perils of Pauline, but could also be fiercely smart, you know, and drive stories and be our moral force and all this stuff.

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I've refused to make excuses for Star Trek, you know.

226
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No, no, no.

227
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I don't think you need to.

228
00:15:07.679 --> 00:15:14.220
And it is, you know, Star Trek is less progressive than we like to claim it is and less progressive at times.

229
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Don't you think with you?

230
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I think people that love this stuff go, well, it was the 60s.

231
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They're like, oh, shit.

232
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Let's call it now.

233
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

234
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Yeah.

235
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It's unfortunate, I think.

236
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And I'm glad that sort of this is the thing that Star Trek is largely over.

237
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Don't get me started on those misty filters.

238
00:15:32.519 --> 00:15:36.779
Oh, yeah, well, that's that is the era, though.

239
00:15:36.840 --> 00:15:38.820
I mean, that's the most sexist thing of all.

240
00:15:38.879 --> 00:15:40.919
No, we can't have them in sharp HD.

241
00:15:40.980 --> 00:15:43.740
No, good grief. for her to make her pretty.

242
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God's sake. think we should go in.

243
00:15:50.519 --> 00:15:54.480
I mean, it's been a few weeks, so I'm so delighted to talk Star Trek again.

244
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Let's do it.

245
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Let's do it. count us in.

246
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Five, four, three, two, one, and we're off.

247
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Little tiny enterprise.

248
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There they go.

249
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Stargate, 13, 2, 8.9 for the...

250
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I have no idea what that means.

251
00:16:16.980 --> 00:16:26.879
And so again, you know, this is, because this is like episode 3 or it's really early, we do get that sort of, just the fun space business that I don't mind.

252
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Oh, my God.

253
00:16:27.779 --> 00:16:31.200
This was probably the funnest part of the episode where they're doing.

254
00:16:31.320 --> 00:16:33.779
Well, it's not like a dog fight, but they are pursuing him, aren't they?

255
00:16:33.840 --> 00:16:36.419
And he's sort of his spaceships all over the place.

256
00:16:36.480 --> 00:16:46.320
Yeah, I mean, I don't know what it originally looked like and we're obviously looking at the HD version, but it is fun and they're sort of chasing things.

257
00:16:46.379 --> 00:16:51.120
This guy, poor old Farrell is pretty unfortunate looking, isn't he?

258
00:16:51.179 --> 00:16:56.220
Well, and I'm so pleased they put in Shell in the red, because that's saggy costume she's in in this.

259
00:16:56.279 --> 00:16:58.740
I mean, how could you make Nichelle not look pretty?

260
00:16:58.799 --> 00:16:59.460
Come on.

261
00:16:59.519 --> 00:17:05.460
Oh, maybe they put her in this because the girls are coming, you know, come on, we want to focus on the girls this week.

262
00:17:05.759 --> 00:17:19.319
There had been a long conversation with her, I think, between Mud and her that was Cunt, or not ever filmed, but that never made it to the final episode, and I think that the script writer had kind of liked it.

263
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You remember how there was all the complaints about Spock in the 1st time he appeared to say he was too demonic looking?

264
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It does look demonic.

265
00:17:28.200 --> 00:17:30.660
Look at him, all of his... else and everything.

266
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I pointed him out like the devil.

267
00:17:32.279 --> 00:17:33.960
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

268
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They tone that down a little bit, don't they?

269
00:17:35.940 --> 00:17:44.759
But I actually do like, and I do think that his level of amusement, he seems younger and he seems less serious and less sombre.

270
00:17:44.880 --> 00:17:47.099
It's more Nemo than Spock, isn't it?

271
00:17:47.160 --> 00:17:49.140
Yeah, and it's kind of nice.

272
00:17:49.200 --> 00:17:58.259
And I do like, like, I like his reaction to what dickheads all of the other men are being is actually quite fun to watch.

273
00:17:58.319 --> 00:18:03.299
I think He summarises the episode beautifully at the end, you know, but we'll get there.

274
00:18:03.359 --> 00:18:04.920
Yeah, yeah, that's right.

275
00:18:04.980 --> 00:18:10.559
You know, I don't think we have enough of big red lights coming out of consoles like that.

276
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That's awesome.

277
00:18:12.000 --> 00:18:16.380
I hope there's one on the Bridge of the Enterprise in Strangely World.

278
00:18:16.440 --> 00:18:16.980
There must be.

279
00:18:17.039 --> 00:18:19.140
Oh, here's the bit I always skip usually.

280
00:18:19.200 --> 00:18:20.759
I just don't like the TOS theme.

281
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All that stuff.

282
00:18:23.339 --> 00:18:24.599
No, it's great.

283
00:18:24.720 --> 00:18:27.299
George, do you always watch the theme tunes?

284
00:18:27.359 --> 00:18:29.039
Yeah, oh, yeah, absolutely.

285
00:18:30.180 --> 00:18:32.759
I've never skipped the opening credits.

286
00:18:32.819 --> 00:18:34.680
I love the opening credits every time.

287
00:18:34.740 --> 00:18:37.019
DS9 balls me a bit after a while, you know?

288
00:18:37.079 --> 00:18:38.339
Yeah, that is a bit boring.

289
00:18:38.400 --> 00:18:41.400
But like I've got something to sing along to with Enterprise.

290
00:18:41.460 --> 00:18:42.539
I think my favourite.

291
00:18:43.259 --> 00:18:53.759
The Kurtzman ones, you know, the music is beautiful, always, you know, you know, Russell Watson, CD the other day, right?

292
00:18:53.819 --> 00:18:55.799
And I was like, please God.

293
00:18:55.920 --> 00:18:58.619
Because he sung that enterprise theme, didn't he?

294
00:18:58.680 --> 00:18:59.220
Russell Watson.

295
00:18:59.279 --> 00:19:01.200
I thought, please God let this be a track on it.

296
00:19:01.259 --> 00:19:03.660
I listened to the whole fucking thing and he didn't turn up once.

297
00:19:03.720 --> 00:19:04.680
He wasn't on it.

298
00:19:04.740 --> 00:19:07.680
Mike wasn't even aware that this was the guy from NTL.

299
00:19:07.740 --> 00:19:09.779
I'm surprised you've stuck around to listen to this.

300
00:19:09.900 --> 00:19:12.599
I was like, well, you know, I like to take an interest for something.

301
00:19:14.339 --> 00:19:15.779
Okay.

302
00:19:15.900 --> 00:19:16.920
Have they added the rocks?

303
00:19:16.980 --> 00:19:19.440
Were they there originally, these sort of asteroids?

304
00:19:19.500 --> 00:19:24.000
Well, the dialogue has asteroids and stuff.

305
00:19:24.059 --> 00:19:25.559
So I'm guessing, yes.

306
00:19:26.460 --> 00:19:29.700
Okay, my words, the lights are going down.

307
00:19:29.880 --> 00:19:31.680
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

308
00:19:31.740 --> 00:19:39.960
See, all of this is exciting stuff and it's all kind of happening for the 1st time and now we're getting our lithium crystals, apparently, going to hell.

309
00:19:40.019 --> 00:19:42.660
Oh, there's a big red light on that communications panel too.

310
00:19:42.720 --> 00:19:46.440
I mean, until they come in, the ladies, mud swim in.

311
00:19:46.500 --> 00:19:48.480
I mean, this is just a normal Star Trek episode.

312
00:19:48.539 --> 00:19:50.880
It's when they turn up.

313
00:19:50.940 --> 00:19:52.619
That's where things take a dive.

314
00:19:53.819 --> 00:20:00.900
Unless you're, you know, an incredibly misogynistic straight man and then you're probably just going, war, this is where it's picked up.

315
00:20:01.079 --> 00:20:05.880
Well, we get we do get Harry doing a terrible Irish accent.

316
00:20:05.940 --> 00:20:08.579
Yeah, um, column, I, but look at him appearing.

317
00:20:08.640 --> 00:20:10.200
I love that shirt.

318
00:20:10.259 --> 00:20:11.940
And the giant belt as well.

319
00:20:12.000 --> 00:20:12.720
It's pretty great.

320
00:20:12.779 --> 00:20:15.539
He looks like he's come straight out of a comic strip, doesn't he?

321
00:20:15.599 --> 00:20:18.119
Oh, like a poverty western.

322
00:20:18.180 --> 00:20:19.319
Yeah.

323
00:20:19.380 --> 00:20:20.700
But don't you think Panto?

324
00:20:20.759 --> 00:20:22.079
Like he's got the big pirate thing.

325
00:20:22.140 --> 00:20:25.200
He's got the big belt, you know, the earring.

326
00:20:25.259 --> 00:20:30.480
But there's no amusement on McCoy's face that, oh, you wait till these women beam in, all right?

327
00:20:30.539 --> 00:20:31.259
Yeah.

328
00:20:31.319 --> 00:20:33.960
But I think he's charming.

329
00:20:34.019 --> 00:20:38.579
Like, I really quite like him and uh, I actually...

330
00:20:38.640 --> 00:20:39.839
He's got sort of sparkling always.

331
00:20:39.900 --> 00:20:40.440
Yeah, yeah.

332
00:20:40.500 --> 00:20:48.900
And it is that that Star Trek thing where you have someone who's a little bit chill, uh, surrounded by these sort of um, stiff military people.

333
00:20:48.960 --> 00:20:51.900
Why does he have a look at McCoy on his neck?

334
00:20:51.960 --> 00:20:54.119
He's a really hairy man.

335
00:20:54.240 --> 00:20:57.779
Well, yeah, clearly, but I've never known a man have hair on their neck like that.

336
00:20:57.839 --> 00:20:58.799
Oh yeah.

337
00:20:58.859 --> 00:20:59.759
Have you?

338
00:20:59.819 --> 00:21:00.539
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

339
00:21:00.599 --> 00:21:01.019
Oh, yeah.

340
00:21:01.079 --> 00:21:02.940
Tell me about it sometimes.

341
00:21:03.000 --> 00:21:05.099
Yeah, I think you have to kind of decide.

342
00:21:05.220 --> 00:21:07.500
If you're sort of particularly hairy.

343
00:21:07.559 --> 00:21:15.900
I think you have to make a decision about the line of your beard in the line, if you're the kind of neck hair, and he makes a choice that fortunately I don't have to make.

344
00:21:16.559 --> 00:21:19.140
No, normally, if I go.

345
00:21:19.140 --> 00:21:26.940
But, um, he, uh, nevertheless, uh, makes a, uh, a bold decision.

346
00:21:27.000 --> 00:21:29.339
Well, his car, you know, the ladies about...

347
00:21:29.400 --> 00:21:30.480
Yeah, beamed across in time.

348
00:21:30.539 --> 00:21:31.140
Who knows?

349
00:21:31.740 --> 00:21:33.960
But the ship's just been blown up, so we better hope so.

350
00:21:34.019 --> 00:21:35.460
Otherwise there's no episode.

351
00:21:35.519 --> 00:21:38.160
Well, again, this is the 1st time this has happened.

352
00:21:38.220 --> 00:21:42.059
How many times has it happened that the ship's blown up and it's kind of like, have we got them off?

353
00:21:42.119 --> 00:21:44.400
Did we get them off and then we get them off and there you are.

354
00:21:44.519 --> 00:21:45.420
It's the 1st one of these.

355
00:21:45.480 --> 00:21:48.299
Look, the woman behind's touching herself up.

356
00:21:48.359 --> 00:21:52.859
The woman to the side there's got her hands on her rips like she's on a catwalk.

357
00:21:52.920 --> 00:21:54.720
I mean, no one beams in like that, do they?

358
00:21:54.839 --> 00:21:57.599
Actually McCoy looks really funny.

359
00:21:57.720 --> 00:22:01.319
Oh, here's the fuzzy, here's the fuzzy ankles.

360
00:22:01.440 --> 00:22:02.279
Oh, no.

361
00:22:02.279 --> 00:22:04.140
And this goes on forever.

362
00:22:04.200 --> 00:22:14.460
It reminds me of the sequence in Rocky Horror, where it's like, Dr. Scott, Janet Brad, where you just get cut into all the faces, because you just, they just react to these women for a long time.

363
00:22:14.640 --> 00:22:22.259
But and like everyone in the bridge is still having a sensible Star Trek episode because they're not aware of what's happened in the transporter room.

364
00:22:22.319 --> 00:22:24.720
I mean, what's going on with Scotty there?

365
00:22:24.779 --> 00:22:28.440
He looks like he's had bloody morphine pumped into him.

366
00:22:28.619 --> 00:22:31.079
I, my favourite thing.

367
00:22:31.140 --> 00:22:34.079
He comes up with a really funny line.

368
00:22:34.140 --> 00:22:40.200
So, uh, um, What, it might be, it might be a bit later.

369
00:22:40.500 --> 00:22:42.180
But...

370
00:22:43.259 --> 00:22:45.480
But someone asks McCoy a question.

371
00:22:45.539 --> 00:22:48.299
Oh, that fella sounded a might upset, didn't he?

372
00:22:48.359 --> 00:22:51.180
And his reply is yes, yes, they are.

373
00:22:53.400 --> 00:22:54.839
I mean, swimming, beautiful.

374
00:22:54.900 --> 00:22:58.380
He looks like a serial killer right now, McCoy.

375
00:22:58.440 --> 00:23:00.299
It's so lety.

376
00:23:00.359 --> 00:23:04.380
That's D. Like, that's not McCoy.

377
00:23:04.859 --> 00:23:07.859
We're not telling you what actors are in there.

378
00:23:07.920 --> 00:23:09.539
Just go in the room and act normal, right?

379
00:23:11.220 --> 00:23:13.799
I mean, has he never seen a what?

380
00:23:13.859 --> 00:23:14.279
I've heard.

381
00:23:14.339 --> 00:23:15.599
McCoy was a womaniser.

382
00:23:15.660 --> 00:23:17.519
Didn't you hear Dax in trials and tribulation?

383
00:23:17.579 --> 00:23:19.140
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

384
00:23:19.200 --> 00:23:25.200
But remember, these women are taking the Venus drug, which makes men fall for them.

385
00:23:25.259 --> 00:23:28.920
So they're basically taking a space love potion, right?

386
00:23:28.980 --> 00:23:29.579
All the time.

387
00:23:29.700 --> 00:23:32.519
Right, but I mean, the blonde one there, yeah.

388
00:23:32.579 --> 00:23:33.960
I mean, look at the way they're walking.

389
00:23:34.019 --> 00:23:34.980
Wiggling.

390
00:23:34.980 --> 00:23:36.420
Look at their bums.

391
00:23:36.480 --> 00:23:37.319
Yeah, yeah, awesome.

392
00:23:37.380 --> 00:23:40.140
And she just hasn't taken her hand off her hip.

393
00:23:40.200 --> 00:23:41.400
She belongs on a catwalk.

394
00:23:44.819 --> 00:23:46.799
Women do not walk around like this.

395
00:23:46.859 --> 00:23:51.480
No, but when they have, it's the 1960s and they have the Venus drug.

396
00:23:51.539 --> 00:23:58.799
Look at the way that she's fondling with that, fondling the control, Magda in the back there, has her hand on everyone has her hand on that.

397
00:23:58.799 --> 00:24:02.880
Well, she's grabbing it like she wants to grab Spock's cock because she's looking right.

398
00:24:02.880 --> 00:24:05.220
I am, you know, look how I can grab hold of this.

399
00:24:05.460 --> 00:24:12.900
So doesn't doesn't Mud say to Spock, you're a volcanian, aren't you?

400
00:24:13.200 --> 00:24:15.420
A volcanian.

401
00:24:15.480 --> 00:24:17.339
Have they not decided on volcania then?

402
00:24:17.460 --> 00:24:20.519
They haven't decided on Falconers, the damning him yet.

403
00:24:20.579 --> 00:24:24.839
And I don't think that's the only time he gets called a volcanian either early on.

404
00:24:24.900 --> 00:24:29.460
I will say actually, there was a number of very pretty red shirts in this episode, I noticed.

405
00:24:29.819 --> 00:24:32.099
They're all sort of Latino.

406
00:24:32.099 --> 00:24:33.900
They're slack jawed at them?

407
00:24:34.019 --> 00:24:34.920
Yes, yeah.

408
00:24:34.980 --> 00:24:36.420
There are actually some pretty men.

409
00:24:36.480 --> 00:24:37.380
I did notice that too.

410
00:24:37.500 --> 00:24:39.539
I have respect for them, all right?

411
00:24:39.599 --> 00:24:40.619
I just had a sniffy.

412
00:24:40.680 --> 00:24:41.759
I didn't give them weird looks.

413
00:24:41.819 --> 00:24:45.539
No, you were drooling like Deforest Kelly.

414
00:24:47.519 --> 00:24:50.460
It's like absolutely a witch.

415
00:24:50.700 --> 00:24:52.619
Kirk's great.

416
00:24:52.680 --> 00:24:56.759
I think, you know, this is Shatner, just being so great.

417
00:24:56.819 --> 00:24:58.319
And he's not overplaying it.

418
00:24:58.380 --> 00:25:00.119
He's trying to rate himself in.

419
00:25:00.180 --> 00:25:00.960
Hello, lady.

420
00:25:01.019 --> 00:25:02.460
It's like...

421
00:25:03.059 --> 00:25:05.940
He went, no, captain, this is me Cargore.

422
00:25:07.319 --> 00:25:09.839
Thank God he drops that accent.

423
00:25:09.900 --> 00:25:11.519
We're doing a cartoon.

424
00:25:11.579 --> 00:25:13.140
What is happening here?

425
00:25:13.200 --> 00:25:15.119
Well, yes, I think we are.

426
00:25:15.180 --> 00:25:18.059
And this is them exploring what Star Trek is going to be.

427
00:25:19.019 --> 00:25:21.660
It's always a bit... not after this.

428
00:25:21.720 --> 00:25:23.160
But they do go here.

429
00:25:23.220 --> 00:25:25.319
And this is a thing.

430
00:25:25.380 --> 00:25:27.180
Yeah, look, look at Spock smiling.

431
00:25:27.299 --> 00:25:29.160
Oh my god, he just went...

432
00:25:29.160 --> 00:25:29.700
I don't know.

433
00:25:29.700 --> 00:25:33.059
Yeah, it was great.

434
00:25:33.119 --> 00:25:34.559
But that was the line.

435
00:25:34.619 --> 00:25:44.460
You just missed because the VOO, like the voiceover was him giving the captain's log where he talked about the male members of his crew.

436
00:25:44.519 --> 00:25:45.839
Oh please.

437
00:25:47.099 --> 00:25:49.019
Her lace.

438
00:25:49.079 --> 00:25:53.160
Why has Kirk got sort of African art on his shelf?

439
00:25:53.220 --> 00:25:59.339
Do you know what I really like is that his desk has a wooden veneer on it?

440
00:25:59.400 --> 00:26:04.859
And so, like, it is very 60s and properly stylish, I think.

441
00:26:04.920 --> 00:26:07.619
Like that's very modernist and very stylish.

442
00:26:07.740 --> 00:26:14.640
I mean, you got to love Shatner trying to navigate this episode as if he's playing a drama.

443
00:26:14.819 --> 00:26:18.480
Yeah, he's surrounded by it.

444
00:26:18.539 --> 00:26:20.880
Oh, well, he's amused by the madness.

445
00:26:21.000 --> 00:26:22.140
Look at that red shirt there.

446
00:26:22.200 --> 00:26:24.000
Actually, I am being like D, aren't I?

447
00:26:24.059 --> 00:26:26.819
Look at the Shatner reaction. at the end of the scene.

448
00:26:27.000 --> 00:26:33.119
Now, what the hell are these coloured cards that they put inside the console?

449
00:26:33.180 --> 00:26:35.819
Are they giant isolinear chips?

450
00:26:35.880 --> 00:26:37.079
Oh, is that what they are?

451
00:26:37.140 --> 00:26:37.799
Well done.

452
00:26:37.859 --> 00:26:39.359
Well, maybe, I don't know.

453
00:26:39.420 --> 00:26:41.700
Yeah, yeah, that's what I'm calling it.

454
00:26:41.759 --> 00:26:43.259
God, this guy looks rough.

455
00:26:43.319 --> 00:26:46.500
God, look, he's like, I feel like something grabbing hold of me.

456
00:26:46.619 --> 00:26:47.339
Excuse me.

457
00:26:48.299 --> 00:26:57.420
I mean, maybe they could have gone it all out and made this like a farce and um, like full of double entendres.

458
00:26:58.259 --> 00:27:08.039
Yeah, yeah, again, I think they're kind of trying to work out where they can pitch it because there's a reasonably serious B plot.

459
00:27:08.220 --> 00:27:10.500
It's not really a B plot.

460
00:27:10.559 --> 00:27:16.079
But, you know, the thing about the lithium crystals and the damage that the ship has suffered rescuing Maud.

461
00:27:16.140 --> 00:27:27.359
Um, uh, you know, that's all sort of played fairly straight and it gives us a reason to go and meet the, the, Yeah, look at those.

462
00:27:27.779 --> 00:27:29.819
Never mind the ladies.

463
00:27:29.880 --> 00:27:33.839
Look at this enormous Christmas bauble earring.

464
00:27:33.900 --> 00:27:34.799
He's wearing it.

465
00:27:34.799 --> 00:27:35.400
I love it.

466
00:27:35.460 --> 00:27:36.599
I really like it.

467
00:27:36.720 --> 00:27:40.619
I like a confident man, you know. who just doesn't care how ridiculous he looks.

468
00:27:40.680 --> 00:27:42.960
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

469
00:27:43.019 --> 00:27:43.440
Yeah.

470
00:27:43.500 --> 00:27:48.960
And again, you know, that space pirate thing is the thing that Star Trek goes back to.

471
00:27:49.019 --> 00:27:56.400
Like we loved it in the serene squall with Angel and with that the big Orion pirate who used to cook for everyone.

472
00:27:56.460 --> 00:28:00.420
I mean he's not going to be sweeping that hair back for too much longer, is he?

473
00:28:00.480 --> 00:28:01.200
No.

474
00:28:01.259 --> 00:28:02.400
Well, that's it.

475
00:28:02.460 --> 00:28:03.960
All his hairs on his back.

476
00:28:04.740 --> 00:28:09.000
Well, he's got that fabulous circusmaster's moustache.

477
00:28:09.059 --> 00:28:10.680
You know, that goes around.

478
00:28:10.680 --> 00:28:11.640
It's really good, isn't it?

479
00:28:11.700 --> 00:28:14.400
It's a fun, like it's just a fun look.

480
00:28:14.759 --> 00:28:18.480
It's not sort of super space serious.

481
00:28:18.539 --> 00:28:21.960
I mean, I guess, you know, the primary colours of the uniforms and stuff.

482
00:28:22.019 --> 00:28:24.720
This isn't sort of super serious military thing.

483
00:28:24.779 --> 00:28:33.960
But it is staking out the ground that Star Trek can occupy, it can do the doomsday machine, and it can do this, you know.

484
00:28:34.019 --> 00:28:52.980
The trouble here is, it wants to do the sort of wacky with the ladies, but it also wants to tell something of a tragedy that they get old and need to take this medicine to be pretty, and it wants to do the sort of on the planet adventure when we go down there as well.

485
00:28:53.039 --> 00:28:56.220
And all of it just rubs shoulders a bit awkwardly.

486
00:28:56.819 --> 00:29:04.559
I think the, that making them look ugly without the medication is a mistake.

487
00:29:04.859 --> 00:29:18.119
Like, I think that it, because, um, and I think it's just there because the visual is striking, you know, like it's a striking. that conclusion they draw that they can just be pressure.

488
00:29:18.180 --> 00:29:19.740
They end up not having it.

489
00:29:19.799 --> 00:29:25.200
And because the whole lesson that we learn is it was just giving them confidence.

490
00:29:25.259 --> 00:29:26.220
Do you know what I mean?

491
00:29:26.279 --> 00:29:36.119
If they looked mousier, if they just look normal rather than, you know, like supermodels pouting supermodels or whatever, if they just look normal without it.

492
00:29:36.180 --> 00:29:39.960
And so you might not notice it. covered in latex.

493
00:29:40.019 --> 00:29:45.359
Actually, I thought the ageing makeup was pretty good in it, actually, especially compared to TNG series one.

494
00:29:45.480 --> 00:29:47.700
Oh yeah, Jesus.

495
00:29:47.759 --> 00:29:49.740
But, but it was a mistake.

496
00:29:49.799 --> 00:29:51.480
Like, it doesn't really work in the story.

497
00:29:51.599 --> 00:29:53.039
Well, not when that's the payoff.

498
00:29:53.099 --> 00:29:53.700
You know, no.

499
00:29:53.700 --> 00:29:55.500
You didn't need the gummies at all.

500
00:29:55.619 --> 00:29:57.180
No, that's right.

501
00:29:57.240 --> 00:29:58.440
Just think you're pretty.

502
00:29:58.500 --> 00:29:59.700
I mean, yeah, yeah.

503
00:29:59.700 --> 00:30:00.779
They could have learned from mud.

504
00:30:00.839 --> 00:30:04.859
I mean, look at the fucking state of him, but he thinks he's the sexiest man in the room.

505
00:30:04.920 --> 00:30:07.680
He is the sexiest man in the room, though.

506
00:30:07.740 --> 00:30:08.640
You know what I mean?

507
00:30:08.880 --> 00:30:10.980
Confidence is sexy.

508
00:30:11.039 --> 00:30:11.819
You know?

509
00:30:11.880 --> 00:30:13.740
And Spock is great.

510
00:30:13.799 --> 00:30:17.400
Because Spot knows he's the most competent man in the room, you know, behaves that way.

511
00:30:17.460 --> 00:30:18.480
Yeah.

512
00:30:18.539 --> 00:30:21.059
Yeah, Shatner's pretty sexy at this point too, isn't he?

513
00:30:21.119 --> 00:30:24.660
But, um, yeah, like muds, just sort of gray.

514
00:30:24.660 --> 00:30:26.039
Smuggling.

515
00:30:26.039 --> 00:30:27.119
Sentence, suspended.

516
00:30:27.180 --> 00:30:27.900
Well, there we go.

517
00:30:27.960 --> 00:30:29.519
We know he's a rotter now.

518
00:30:29.579 --> 00:30:31.440
He's got a police fire on himself.

519
00:30:31.500 --> 00:30:33.240
Hang on, what else does it say?

520
00:30:33.299 --> 00:30:35.880
Purchase of stolen goods, counterfeit money?

521
00:30:35.940 --> 00:30:36.299
my god.

522
00:30:36.420 --> 00:30:37.619
Yep.

523
00:30:37.680 --> 00:30:38.160
Yeah.

524
00:30:38.220 --> 00:30:39.960
He bought a spaceship with counterfeit money.

525
00:30:40.079 --> 00:30:41.759
All of that stuff's in the dialogue as well.

526
00:30:41.819 --> 00:30:47.160
And then he was recommended for psychological treatment because it's the future and we don't imprison people, I guess.

527
00:30:47.220 --> 00:30:48.960
Um, you know.

528
00:30:49.019 --> 00:30:52.380
Yeah, I want a little description of him at the end there as well.

529
00:30:52.440 --> 00:30:57.480
I like the fact he saw scratching his head go, well, this is a bit awkward, but yes, I did do all those things.

530
00:30:57.539 --> 00:31:00.000
I will be dropping the accent now.

531
00:31:00.480 --> 00:31:01.859
What?

532
00:31:01.920 --> 00:31:05.339
My tiny little ship in this immense galaxy, he says.

533
00:31:05.339 --> 00:31:10.680
You are a rotter, Harry Marden.

534
00:31:10.799 --> 00:31:13.980
I know you'll be back to dog our footsteps throughout the seasons.

535
00:31:14.039 --> 00:31:15.779
With that smile.

536
00:31:15.839 --> 00:31:18.599
That just enthusiastic smile. he's great.

537
00:31:18.660 --> 00:31:20.759
He's sort of, I know he's a godlike being.

538
00:31:20.819 --> 00:31:23.220
But I suppose it's Q the same sort of thing as well?

539
00:31:23.279 --> 00:31:27.359
Very charismatic, naughty sort of man that comes in and causes mischief.

540
00:31:27.420 --> 00:31:29.339
Yeah, I think so.

541
00:31:29.400 --> 00:31:32.039
Who's our equivalent over on DS9 then?

542
00:31:32.099 --> 00:31:34.319
We don't really have one, do we?

543
00:31:34.380 --> 00:31:40.019
No, but DS9, the crew are a bit less stiff generally.

544
00:31:40.079 --> 00:31:40.980
Do you know what I mean?

545
00:31:41.039 --> 00:31:41.940
They're a little bit more relaxed.

546
00:31:42.000 --> 00:31:42.960
It's cork.

547
00:31:43.019 --> 00:31:45.240
Eastern mischief is one over there. in that score.

548
00:31:45.299 --> 00:31:46.619
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

549
00:31:47.099 --> 00:31:53.039
We had Cesca for a little while on Voyager, but for whatever recently got rid of her.

550
00:31:53.400 --> 00:31:55.380
Yes, madness.

551
00:31:55.859 --> 00:31:58.980
I recruit wives for settlers.

552
00:31:59.039 --> 00:32:03.900
I mean, but that's got to have been a thing.

553
00:32:03.960 --> 00:32:04.920
Do you know what I mean?

554
00:32:04.980 --> 00:32:12.599
That's got to have been a real thing because you think about men who work on lighthouses or oil rigs or we have this terrible show in Australia.

555
00:32:12.660 --> 00:32:17.400
I don't know if you have anything similar called The Farmer Wants a Wife.

556
00:32:17.519 --> 00:32:26.940
And it's just like, farmers and they bring wives out to them and it's like a love island or whatever.

557
00:32:27.000 --> 00:32:27.660
Do you know what I mean?

558
00:32:27.720 --> 00:32:32.220
But it's like these bogan farmers who live...

559
00:32:32.279 --> 00:32:33.839
Sometimes they're tired of hot.

560
00:32:33.900 --> 00:32:35.640
Yeah, they get a farmer.

561
00:32:36.359 --> 00:32:38.220
Yeah, I know.

562
00:32:38.279 --> 00:32:39.660
Is it a hot farmer?

563
00:32:39.720 --> 00:32:43.140
I mean, telly generally is, right?

564
00:32:43.200 --> 00:32:49.799
Sometimes, but yeah, I've seen an episode this season and no one struck me as particularly hard.

565
00:32:49.920 --> 00:32:57.960
I mean, that's not pretend that in areas of the world right now that women are shipped out against their will to be wives for men.

566
00:32:58.019 --> 00:33:06.420
And and like these these women are not doing it against their will, which doesn't mean that it's fair or it's okay.

567
00:33:06.480 --> 00:33:07.500
Do you know what I mean?

568
00:33:07.559 --> 00:33:13.079
But they want husbands and they want wealthy husbands and do you know what I mean?

569
00:33:13.140 --> 00:33:16.079
We can critique the society that makes that the case.

570
00:33:16.140 --> 00:33:19.200
But he's not trafficking them as such.

571
00:33:19.259 --> 00:33:22.019
Like, he's overstating that they're his cargo.

572
00:33:22.079 --> 00:33:27.059
But the show does come down on the side of him being in the wrong.

573
00:33:27.180 --> 00:33:28.619
Yeah?

574
00:33:28.680 --> 00:33:31.259
So all of this stuff is bad.

575
00:33:31.319 --> 00:33:35.519
Christ, they're just shooting through like whole...

576
00:33:35.579 --> 00:33:39.059
Atmospheric conditions every time we get a close-up on the ladies.

577
00:33:39.119 --> 00:33:42.359
It's very strange. all the way through Star Trek.

578
00:33:42.420 --> 00:33:44.640
But it does happen in 60s TV, a beard.

579
00:33:44.759 --> 00:33:45.359
Really?

580
00:33:45.420 --> 00:33:49.920
Well, other 60s shows. the purpose of it.

581
00:33:49.980 --> 00:33:54.299
To make them look soft, yeah, softer, yeah.

582
00:33:54.359 --> 00:33:55.859
I don't know.

583
00:33:55.920 --> 00:33:58.079
I mean, in Kurtzman, they're also pretty.

584
00:33:58.140 --> 00:34:00.180
You want them in sharpest HD possible.

585
00:34:00.240 --> 00:34:01.019
Exactly.

586
00:34:01.079 --> 00:34:01.619
Exactly.

587
00:34:01.680 --> 00:34:13.800
And, and you know, this one who plays Eve, Karen Steele, um, like she's beautiful, but she doesn't, she looks, she reads to me as older than 35.

588
00:34:14.519 --> 00:34:18.539
And I don't know whether it's when I watch 60s TV and I see these adults.

589
00:34:18.599 --> 00:34:20.219
I always think, oh well, they're just older than me.

590
00:34:20.280 --> 00:34:33.960
Whereas, you know, I imagined that I'm actually older than everyone in this room. you know, but like when I watch that TV from this time, I just think everyone's older than me, but I do think she reads is older than 35.

591
00:34:34.139 --> 00:34:35.400
Yeah, don't.

592
00:34:35.400 --> 00:34:37.260
Well, especially when they put the makeup on it.

593
00:34:37.320 --> 00:34:38.460
But yes, yes, definitely.

594
00:34:38.519 --> 00:34:47.099
I mean, if anyone needed a misty filter, there was a working great close-up in HD there of Shatner covered in makeup and sweating his head off.

595
00:34:47.159 --> 00:34:49.320
I was like, please, get the mist going on him.

596
00:34:49.380 --> 00:34:50.219
We don't want to look at that.

597
00:34:50.280 --> 00:34:51.300
No, he's kind of hard.

598
00:34:51.360 --> 00:34:55.559
Just to put the put the mist over poor old Farrell, I think.

599
00:34:55.619 --> 00:34:57.960
He does like a bit of slap shat, doesn't he?

600
00:34:58.019 --> 00:35:04.500
Yeah, yeah, yeah. he does Spock again. sort of grinning across the table about all of this.

601
00:35:04.559 --> 00:35:05.219
Yeah.

602
00:35:05.280 --> 00:35:07.500
Yeah, but I actually like it.

603
00:35:07.559 --> 00:35:14.099
I think like the rye that sort of rye spock thing is actually quite fun.

604
00:35:14.159 --> 00:35:23.760
You just know, don't you, that there's a novel out there, a John Peel one, probably, where the reason that Spock stopped finding everything amusing.

605
00:35:23.820 --> 00:35:30.000
Now I don't know, there's some great cloud that they went through that gave him personality issues or something like that, you know, explaining it all away.

606
00:35:30.300 --> 00:35:36.840
We remember the big smile that he does in those old scientists that Boimler is so shocked by.

607
00:35:38.039 --> 00:35:40.619
Oh, no, he plays it really.

608
00:35:40.679 --> 00:35:41.760
What's the actor's name?

609
00:35:41.820 --> 00:35:42.780
Ethan.

610
00:35:42.780 --> 00:35:43.800
Ethan.

611
00:35:43.860 --> 00:35:45.000
He plays.

612
00:35:45.300 --> 00:35:52.679
I mean, he manages to tow that line between being sort of cold and logical and really sexy and rily amused.

613
00:35:52.739 --> 00:35:55.559
And ridiculous at times too.

614
00:35:55.619 --> 00:36:00.119
I mean, I even got him singing and I was still seeing Spock, you know?

615
00:36:00.179 --> 00:36:09.719
They, I mean, they, Strangely Worlds get to make Spock a bit ridiculous in a way that the TOS doesn't often do, I think.

616
00:36:09.780 --> 00:36:11.760
Sometimes, but brain, you know.

617
00:36:11.820 --> 00:36:13.320
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

618
00:36:13.380 --> 00:36:15.420
They just made everyone really...

619
00:36:15.420 --> 00:36:16.559
Embarrassingly ridiculous.

620
00:36:16.679 --> 00:36:18.239
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

621
00:36:18.300 --> 00:36:37.800
Yeah, now, we don't know how orbit works, because my understanding is that it would take, like, why the orbit decays so rapidly when the sky above our head is covered in, you know, surrounded by is full of things that are orbiting around the earth for years on end, you know, but anyway, whatever.

622
00:36:37.860 --> 00:36:42.780
I mean, look at the love, she looks like a serial killer now coming to kill McCoy.

623
00:36:42.840 --> 00:36:43.800
Did you see her?

624
00:36:43.860 --> 00:36:45.960
sparkle in her eyes.

625
00:36:46.019 --> 00:36:47.280
I'm gonna eat you up.

626
00:36:48.420 --> 00:36:52.019
McCoy is, um, yeah, yeah, get out.

627
00:36:52.079 --> 00:36:55.380
Conners, are you finished looking at her arse on the way out the door?

628
00:36:55.619 --> 00:36:57.420
I mean please.

629
00:36:57.480 --> 00:37:00.239
Has no one had a wank on this ship for a while?

630
00:37:00.300 --> 00:37:01.980
I mean, what's wrong?

631
00:37:02.039 --> 00:37:03.840
Well, that's it.

632
00:37:03.900 --> 00:37:13.619
Like that horny thing, like that's a rod and bree thing, you know, um, and the fact that everyone on the ship is single and that they're all kind of giant hornbags.

633
00:37:13.679 --> 00:37:21.300
And, like, admittedly, there's a, there's a, um, a, a love potion involved here, which is, is causing it.

634
00:37:21.360 --> 00:37:30.420
I mean, I do like I like the idea that when they sort of come into port around a planet, that they've been to before, and the men will go to lock up the daughters quick.

635
00:37:30.480 --> 00:37:32.400
The Enterprise crew are coming, all right?

636
00:37:32.460 --> 00:37:34.440
Yeah, they're all really horny.

637
00:37:34.500 --> 00:37:35.340
No, you're right.

638
00:37:35.400 --> 00:37:40.260
But then even that, the sort of magic spell. that women have over.

639
00:37:40.320 --> 00:37:44.280
I mean, Jesus, that story's been told for 1000s of years, isn't it?

640
00:37:44.460 --> 00:37:50.699
Mud does say that when men take the Venus peel there, it makes them hotter as well.

641
00:37:50.760 --> 00:37:53.579
Or mustier, as you say, it's all.

642
00:37:53.639 --> 00:37:56.880
He says muscular, actually, yeah. makes them look more muscular.

643
00:37:57.179 --> 00:37:57.599
My God.

644
00:37:58.619 --> 00:38:01.440
We would have enjoyed it then, wouldn't we?

645
00:38:01.500 --> 00:38:01.800
Yeah.

646
00:38:01.860 --> 00:38:11.880
Give it to some of those red shirts. just the wrong podcast to be talking about this episode. being very mean to our straight friends.

647
00:38:11.940 --> 00:38:16.500
I'm wondering if, like, our scant straight friends that we have.

648
00:38:17.219 --> 00:38:20.699
They would be watching this going, you know, what a wonderful piece of drama this is.

649
00:38:21.780 --> 00:38:22.980
I don't think so.

650
00:38:26.039 --> 00:38:33.840
But then as well, if it is a magic, you know, a sort of seductive magic spell, a glamour, yeah.

651
00:38:33.900 --> 00:38:37.440
Well, then it's not really telling us anything about the characters, is it?

652
00:38:37.619 --> 00:38:42.000
No, no, but it is like it...

653
00:38:42.000 --> 00:38:47.519
What is being offered to these men are hot women.

654
00:38:49.380 --> 00:39:04.980
And, you know, these rich men and they've, you know, the guy Childress, I think his name is, the Ben from the cave or whatever, like he, he, um, he wants a hot woman and he thinks he deserves a hot woman because he's a very rich man.

655
00:39:05.219 --> 00:39:14.159
But what he discovers instead is that it's better to have a woman who will be his companion, who will live with him.

656
00:39:14.219 --> 00:39:23.159
And I know it's all expressed in terms of doing the cooking and cleaning the house and stuff, which is. pay you by doing a few chores, you know.

657
00:39:23.219 --> 00:39:24.599
Thank you very much.

658
00:39:24.659 --> 00:39:35.699
But, but there is something, you know, because what happens, the way the episode ends is with the 2 of them sitting down and they have to have a talk about what their relationship's going to be.

659
00:39:35.760 --> 00:39:39.719
And I think that that's a good grown up, kind of grown up ending.

660
00:39:39.719 --> 00:39:54.420
And the Eve as a character becomes more human and likeable when she, you know, just she's cooking him dinner and she, she, he wakes up and they have a talk and he's horrible to her and and she kind of snipes back at him and stuff.

661
00:39:54.480 --> 00:40:00.000
But it is just a little bit more, like he's not having a relationship with a sex fantasy.

662
00:40:00.059 --> 00:40:05.579
He's having a relationship with a woman who has opinions and ideas and stuff like that.

663
00:40:05.639 --> 00:40:09.000
And so, like, I think it is trying to go somewhere good.

664
00:40:09.059 --> 00:40:13.380
It's all the trappings, though, and it's yeah, where the emphasis is.

665
00:40:13.440 --> 00:40:21.360
And when you read between the lines of all the, but as well, there is a moment where he grabs hold of her and then when they come in, he goes, well, I didn't hurt her.

666
00:40:21.480 --> 00:40:24.000
And I was like, no, no, you look like you was about to hurt her.

667
00:40:24.059 --> 00:40:28.079
Oh, no, I think he says I didn't touch her and I think it's about sex.

668
00:40:28.139 --> 00:40:30.119
I think he's saying I didn't have sex with her.

669
00:40:30.179 --> 00:40:33.840
Oh, I've read it a sort because it's in a very fraught moment.

670
00:40:33.960 --> 00:40:35.280
I thought he was talking about pilots.

671
00:40:35.340 --> 00:40:35.820
Oh, yeah.

672
00:40:35.820 --> 00:40:38.159
But I think I think that that's what that's about.

673
00:40:38.340 --> 00:40:43.380
What my favourite moment there we just missed, which is Shatner calling her Miss McCurean.

674
00:40:43.440 --> 00:40:44.340
Do you know what I mean?

675
00:40:44.400 --> 00:40:54.119
As he's trying to kind of fight off the effect of the drug or whatever, and he's very formal and sort of serious and respectful as well.

676
00:40:54.179 --> 00:40:57.000
Like calling her Miss McCurean, I think, is great.

677
00:40:57.059 --> 00:40:58.619
That bit there, right?

678
00:40:58.679 --> 00:41:03.239
That bit where the camera followed behind the blonde one in the purple, whatever her name is.

679
00:41:03.300 --> 00:41:05.159
I think she's Magda.

680
00:41:05.280 --> 00:41:08.340
I think the camera because it's sort of handheld going behind her.

681
00:41:08.400 --> 00:41:10.440
It's supposed to be sort of sinister.

682
00:41:10.500 --> 00:41:13.860
She's almost like a bit of a predator walking around the enterprise, right?

683
00:41:13.920 --> 00:41:16.860
And then the man sort of looks nervous at the door and moves aside.

684
00:41:16.920 --> 00:41:27.059
It reminds me of the scenes in that dismal episode of Enterprise where Jolene is on Pompha. and she's going around the ship trying to fuck everybody.

685
00:41:27.119 --> 00:41:35.579
And I don't like it when they turn women into sexual predators because I feel that's a very masculine take on women.

686
00:41:35.699 --> 00:41:37.920
I'm like, don't remember them, you know?

687
00:41:37.920 --> 00:41:52.980
Like, but remember that's the 1st broadcast episode of Star Trek, the man trap, which is exactly that, the salt vampire that, you know, the monster that wants to have sex with men, but will turn them into desiccated husks.

688
00:41:53.039 --> 00:41:59.460
You know, that's the same thing and that's the central, you know, conceit of that episode.

689
00:41:59.519 --> 00:42:01.079
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, I agree.

690
00:42:01.139 --> 00:42:03.179
But it's not confined to this.

691
00:42:03.179 --> 00:42:04.980
If we get to Enterprise, we should know better.

692
00:42:05.099 --> 00:42:06.840
They're still doing it.

693
00:42:06.900 --> 00:42:08.579
You see her then?

694
00:42:08.639 --> 00:42:14.699
Eve going, oh, you know, I don't like you and I don't like myself much either.

695
00:42:14.760 --> 00:42:15.840
I was like, oh, please.

696
00:42:15.900 --> 00:42:16.980
Oh, yeah.

697
00:42:17.340 --> 00:42:38.280
Yeah, but, I mean, what she doesn't like is, uh, you know, like, a competent, you know, somewhat subjugated, but like a competent, you know, like a woman who is being treated like a person, which is where we end up.

698
00:42:38.340 --> 00:42:41.880
I was pleased, you know, that we ended up on a planet in a minute.

699
00:42:41.940 --> 00:42:48.420
I mean, even though it is just standard sort of jabber like, Um, I think it's, is it the 1st Jabalite planet?

700
00:42:48.480 --> 00:42:52.260
where no one has gone before, has a planet, doesn't it?

701
00:42:52.320 --> 00:42:55.380
We do end up on a planet, but it's not this set.

702
00:42:55.440 --> 00:42:59.519
I think this might be the 1st time this planet, didn't it?

703
00:42:59.579 --> 00:43:02.519
I know it was unaired, but without, you know, yeah, yeah.

704
00:43:02.579 --> 00:43:03.059
Was that called?

705
00:43:03.239 --> 00:43:04.920
The cage.

706
00:43:04.980 --> 00:43:05.579
Yeah.

707
00:43:05.639 --> 00:43:06.840
Yeah.

708
00:43:06.900 --> 00:43:14.460
And and when no one has gone before, we end up on a planet, remember, at the very end of that, what I think is the last time that we have, don't we now?

709
00:43:14.519 --> 00:43:16.739
Like, it's the Jabalite from now on.

710
00:43:16.800 --> 00:43:18.599
I think that's the set.

711
00:43:18.719 --> 00:43:21.480
The Jabelite said that, you know, what was the last one we did?

712
00:43:21.480 --> 00:43:23.099
The Savage curtain.

713
00:43:26.159 --> 00:43:27.599
Yeah, mad.

714
00:43:27.599 --> 00:43:31.619
Wait, get up there. jumped down with a big boulder.

715
00:43:32.820 --> 00:43:35.639
Do you think I'm serious free, Freiberg?

716
00:43:35.699 --> 00:43:36.780
how do we shoot this thing?

717
00:43:36.960 --> 00:43:39.000
Wait one sec.

718
00:43:39.059 --> 00:43:56.159
For the 1st time, we get McCoy saying, I don't know what these people are. are they some kind of alien illusion, and all I could think of was Mariner burning through all of those different theories about her. could possibly have a girlfriend.

719
00:43:56.219 --> 00:44:07.559
And here it is in episode 3 or 4 or 6 or wherever we are really, really early on where McCoy has its a stupid science fiction explanation for what's going on.

720
00:44:07.619 --> 00:44:13.679
I mean, we'll give them a pass there that he doesn't go through the whole lot like she does because they're not knowing at this point.

721
00:44:13.679 --> 00:44:16.320
They're still creating the show, but...

722
00:44:16.380 --> 00:44:16.920
Exactly.

723
00:44:17.159 --> 00:44:18.659
It's hor effort, McCoy, all right?

724
00:44:18.780 --> 00:44:20.159
It was a good guess.

725
00:44:21.420 --> 00:44:29.519
Okay, here we go now, an orbit of this very brown looking planet. very alluring, does it?

726
00:44:29.699 --> 00:44:31.559
No, and it's not.

727
00:44:31.619 --> 00:44:33.059
I mean, that's the point, isn't it?

728
00:44:33.119 --> 00:44:40.380
You know, like it's dusty and horrible and distant and that's what the women will be signing up for.

729
00:44:40.440 --> 00:44:42.960
Are they men paying a lot for this?

730
00:44:43.380 --> 00:44:46.679
These beautiful ladies, yeah, the farmers down there.

731
00:44:47.280 --> 00:44:49.860
A lot of lithium crystals.

732
00:44:49.920 --> 00:44:53.219
Oh, look, I couldn't help but notice, you know, that, oh, gosh.

733
00:44:53.280 --> 00:44:56.099
I mean, that is horrible makeup on her face, isn't it?

734
00:44:56.159 --> 00:44:59.699
Yeah, yeah, see, that just makes no sense because that's where we end up.

735
00:44:59.760 --> 00:45:02.400
You know, we end up there, you know.

736
00:45:02.460 --> 00:45:04.980
But it is arresting.

737
00:45:05.039 --> 00:45:08.039
Like, I think it, that's why that's right, isn't it?

738
00:45:08.880 --> 00:45:26.460
I think I've said before, my very, very 1st memory of Star Trek was being told by someone's older brother or something like that or the, uh, uh, yeah, like an older brother or someone, not my older brother, I don't have one, but someone's older brother that it would give me nightmares that it would be scary.

739
00:45:26.519 --> 00:45:28.260
And remember that Star Trek.

740
00:45:28.320 --> 00:45:40.500
He's frequently very scary and it's that sort of visual that makes it scary for a kid, but I think it doesn't work in the context of the where we end up and what the story's trying to say.

741
00:45:40.559 --> 00:45:49.860
Do you remember that fabulously terrible episode where Marina touched rocks with Alcar and became the sort of evil dominatrix, yeah?

742
00:45:49.920 --> 00:45:53.760
And the people. when she sort of came to the transporter room and she was older.

743
00:45:53.880 --> 00:45:57.179
I mean, she looked like she'd grown a 2nd head.

744
00:45:57.239 --> 00:45:58.800
She had so much latex or whatever.

745
00:45:58.860 --> 00:46:02.880
How are they unlearned lessons because that's quite subtle in comparison.

746
00:46:03.119 --> 00:46:13.739
Well, I think I think probably, I think probably it's just Ruth, who has the worst ageing makeup and everyone else's is a bit more subtle.

747
00:46:13.800 --> 00:46:19.500
Um, but what the story needs to do is make them mousy.

748
00:46:19.559 --> 00:46:29.699
And in fact, the dialogue later when Ben sees her without, you know, and she's not taking the Venus peel, which she already doesn't like.

749
00:46:29.760 --> 00:46:30.900
She's reluctant to.

750
00:46:30.960 --> 00:46:32.880
Like Ruth and Magda both want to take it.

751
00:46:32.940 --> 00:46:36.059
I mean, we're literally watching them take drugs here.

752
00:46:36.119 --> 00:46:40.260
I mean, they're taking drugs and then sort of stroking themselves, going, oh.

753
00:46:40.320 --> 00:46:44.400
Yeah, yeah, yeah, but she's doing it reluctantly because she doesn't want to be this.

754
00:46:44.460 --> 00:46:46.619
She does, she's better than this.

755
00:46:46.679 --> 00:46:47.280
I think.

756
00:46:47.340 --> 00:46:50.039
She doesn't just want to be a trophy wife.

757
00:46:50.099 --> 00:46:52.079
She doesn't, she's not just here to look beautiful.

758
00:46:52.139 --> 00:46:54.119
She just needs more tool than that.

759
00:46:54.179 --> 00:46:55.800
She's beautiful anyway.

760
00:46:55.860 --> 00:47:07.440
Yeah, but so for the script to work, they have to be mousy and unremarkable looking when the drug wears off rather than, you know, hideous and covered in latex.

761
00:47:07.559 --> 00:47:10.199
I like the fact that the medicine globes like that.

762
00:47:10.260 --> 00:47:11.099
Did you see it?

763
00:47:11.219 --> 00:47:16.739
It does make mud seem a bit of a creep, though, in this scene, doesn't it?

764
00:47:16.800 --> 00:47:17.940
Whereas he was just fun before.

765
00:47:18.000 --> 00:47:19.739
Yeah, that's right.

766
00:47:19.800 --> 00:47:26.340
And in discovery, to be fair, um, uh, which is set before this, isn't it?

767
00:47:26.400 --> 00:47:30.300
Uh, he does kill Captain Locker and stuff a bunch of times.

768
00:47:30.420 --> 00:47:32.699
Like he does kill him.

769
00:47:32.699 --> 00:47:33.599
Man, I'm a Beatle.

770
00:47:33.659 --> 00:47:35.639
Mud was sexy as hell, man.

771
00:47:35.699 --> 00:47:38.460
The way he strutted in and just started murdering everybody.

772
00:47:38.519 --> 00:47:39.960
I couldn't have loved him more.

773
00:47:40.019 --> 00:47:43.559
Rain Wilson, of course, from the office, the American office.

774
00:47:43.619 --> 00:47:44.880
Incredible.

775
00:47:44.940 --> 00:47:46.739
I mean, charisma personified.

776
00:47:46.800 --> 00:47:47.940
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

777
00:47:48.000 --> 00:47:49.199
He's really good casting.

778
00:47:49.260 --> 00:47:49.980
Do you know what I mean?

779
00:47:50.039 --> 00:48:02.099
Exactly the right person to play mud. tried to capture the lightning in a bottle again with the fella at the start of Starfleet Academy, and it was good, but it wasn't quite as good as mud in Discovery.

780
00:48:02.159 --> 00:48:03.059
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

781
00:48:03.119 --> 00:48:13.980
Well, Paul Gemati, who gets quite, you know, like a number of, he's in a couple of episodes across that season, and I think he is very good, and he is a pretty solid actor.

782
00:48:15.059 --> 00:48:19.500
And he's a get in the way that Holly Hunter is a get.

783
00:48:19.559 --> 00:48:28.619
And in fact, the 2 of them against one another are pretty good because they're both, you know, really kind of solid ankles. none of them can hold a candle to the outrageous O'Connor.

784
00:48:28.679 --> 00:48:31.679
He beams on the enterprise and he doesn't want to take over.

785
00:48:31.739 --> 00:48:32.579
He don't want to kill anyone.

786
00:48:32.639 --> 00:48:36.599
It just beams on and immediately just thinks, I'm going to fuck every woman on this ship.

787
00:48:36.659 --> 00:48:37.860
I mean, look at me.

788
00:48:37.920 --> 00:48:38.639
I'm gorgeous.

789
00:48:38.699 --> 00:48:39.900
Harry Harch is here.

790
00:48:40.019 --> 00:48:43.920
He's getting off of the woman in the transporter bag within 30 seconds.

791
00:48:44.400 --> 00:49:03.360
So this guy, um, Ben, um, is in a season one episode of TNG. which one He is in the episode 11001 with the Binars and Minuet.

792
00:49:03.420 --> 00:49:05.039
He's not a biner, is he?

793
00:49:05.099 --> 00:49:07.260
No, no, no. too tall for that.

794
00:49:07.320 --> 00:49:09.360
He's a Starfleet officer.

795
00:49:09.420 --> 00:49:10.619
Okay.

796
00:49:10.679 --> 00:49:11.400
Yeah.

797
00:49:11.400 --> 00:49:14.099
He said, all the classics, Ashen, that is a pretty great episode.

798
00:49:14.159 --> 00:49:14.579
I love.

799
00:49:14.639 --> 00:49:16.380
That's actually a one.

800
00:49:16.440 --> 00:49:17.760
Yeah, yeah, me too.

801
00:49:17.820 --> 00:49:18.179
Yeah.

802
00:49:18.239 --> 00:49:21.179
I love how they're sort of dressed like frontiers, farmers.

803
00:49:21.300 --> 00:49:25.260
He's got sort of like a leather waistcoat on and jeans, doesn't he?

804
00:49:25.380 --> 00:49:28.019
Yeah, and again, do you know what I mean?

805
00:49:28.079 --> 00:49:29.340
There's something a bit pantoed.

806
00:49:29.400 --> 00:49:31.559
Like it's not a particularly space outfit?

807
00:49:31.619 --> 00:49:37.559
You know, it is like they're dirt farmers from somewhere horrible in the centre of the United States.

808
00:49:37.619 --> 00:49:39.659
I don't know if you'll notice it.

809
00:49:39.719 --> 00:49:40.500
Every now and again.

810
00:49:40.559 --> 00:49:44.400
Oh, I love that shot on the surface with the little domes on it.

811
00:49:44.880 --> 00:49:47.579
I'm seeing scratches on the film.

812
00:49:47.579 --> 00:49:52.139
On my version, which is on Paramount Plus, which is the HD version.

813
00:49:52.199 --> 00:49:53.699
Yeah, okay.

814
00:49:53.760 --> 00:49:55.019
Oh, yeah, no, occasionally.

815
00:49:55.079 --> 00:49:56.340
I think I know what you mean.

816
00:49:56.400 --> 00:50:01.800
Just a little fleck of dust or something that hasn't been eliminated in the...

817
00:50:01.860 --> 00:50:03.420
Look at the atmosphere. conditions here.

818
00:50:03.960 --> 00:50:11.820
Yes, well, we will see Eve kind of, you know, stumbling hysterically through those atmospheric conditions.

819
00:50:11.940 --> 00:50:14.820
Nothing, Nathan, pleases me more than 60s design.

820
00:50:14.880 --> 00:50:16.019
I mean, look at that dome.

821
00:50:16.920 --> 00:50:21.239
With the antennae on the top spinning around, and it's a live prop.

822
00:50:21.360 --> 00:50:24.840
And then we can't straight from the dome to Magda's breasts.

823
00:50:24.900 --> 00:50:26.159
Yes.

824
00:50:26.159 --> 00:50:29.400
Stock cave set number one, I believe.

825
00:50:29.460 --> 00:50:30.360
The 1st one.

826
00:50:30.420 --> 00:50:30.900
Yeah.

827
00:50:30.960 --> 00:50:33.000
I think it might be the 1st.

828
00:50:33.059 --> 00:50:34.679
I can finally say it to you.

829
00:50:34.920 --> 00:50:39.119
Oh, look, I like how they've got little windows hollowed out in the rock.

830
00:50:39.179 --> 00:50:39.539
Look.

831
00:50:39.599 --> 00:50:40.380
Yeah.

832
00:50:40.380 --> 00:50:43.079
I think that's a pretty great set, you know.

833
00:50:43.139 --> 00:50:45.420
Yeah, well, what lived there, though, would you?

834
00:50:45.480 --> 00:50:48.539
No, well, Eve's a good cook.

835
00:50:48.599 --> 00:50:50.699
Yeah, like, I don't know.

836
00:50:50.820 --> 00:50:54.780
She wants a smart, intelligent man, not some farmer in a hole in the wall.

837
00:50:54.840 --> 00:50:55.260
Come on.

838
00:50:55.440 --> 00:51:08.760
No, I think she wants someone who will trade her well and will, you know, look after her, and he is kind of horrible to her initially, and that doesn't bode very well, but that does seem to be where the episode wants us to end up.

839
00:51:08.880 --> 00:51:11.400
We're not gonna provide an alternative perspective here.

840
00:51:11.460 --> 00:51:12.900
I realise I'm in 2026.

841
00:51:13.139 --> 00:51:19.380
Um, but like, why can't Eve just want like some agency of her own and to go out and have a life of her own?

842
00:51:19.500 --> 00:51:20.519
without a man?

843
00:51:20.940 --> 00:51:23.940
No, that is unthinkable, isn't it?

844
00:51:24.000 --> 00:51:24.780
In the 60s.

845
00:51:24.840 --> 00:51:25.860
Yeah.

846
00:51:25.920 --> 00:51:31.559
But, you know, it's unthinkable for the men to not have women either. and that's the other thing.

847
00:51:31.619 --> 00:51:34.199
Like the men here by themselves.

848
00:51:34.260 --> 00:51:50.039
There's a moment that I just think is absolutely adorable where, um, where Ben says to her, oh, yeah, you think you're going to win me over because you're, you know, making me female food and it's, you know, I can cook for myself.

849
00:51:50.099 --> 00:51:50.940
I don't need you.

850
00:51:51.000 --> 00:51:53.099
And then he tastes the food.

851
00:51:53.159 --> 00:51:56.159
He goes, oh, that's so much nice.

852
00:51:56.219 --> 00:51:59.460
That's bit like your home situation, isn't it?

853
00:51:59.519 --> 00:52:00.780
Yeah, that's right.

854
00:52:00.840 --> 00:52:03.059
Well, my husband's away and I'm just living.

855
00:52:03.059 --> 00:52:04.320
Oh, fucking pig, you say.

856
00:52:04.320 --> 00:52:12.539
Do you know, Ashley, what you said there about is unthinkable for men to not have women, women as well.

857
00:52:12.599 --> 00:52:25.500
My nan divorced my grandad in the late 60s and the stigma she faced when that happened where she was a woman who was married and now single, look bringing up children.

858
00:52:26.159 --> 00:52:30.599
I mean, I was learning about that in the mid to late 80s and I just couldn't believe it.

859
00:52:30.659 --> 00:52:31.800
Yeah.

860
00:52:31.860 --> 00:52:40.559
Oh, look, and his men being absolute dickheads and the girls love that, and she's kind of like, you guys are just awful.

861
00:52:40.739 --> 00:52:42.480
I hate all of you.

862
00:52:42.539 --> 00:52:44.219
I've got to say that one thing.

863
00:52:44.280 --> 00:52:46.920
Why don't you just run a raffle and the loser gets me?

864
00:52:46.980 --> 00:52:48.420
Yeah, yeah.

865
00:52:48.480 --> 00:52:56.639
But that's it because she's not a supermodel and she's not like laughing while the men are beating the shit out of each other because they're horrible men from the 1960s.

866
00:52:56.699 --> 00:52:58.679
Yes, I thought was so funny.

867
00:52:58.739 --> 00:53:02.519
I was watching her, the elements attacking her and then Kurt...

868
00:53:02.579 --> 00:53:07.019
It's so great. and her wig is going crazy. like a vision of hell, though, right?

869
00:53:07.079 --> 00:53:09.119
Where Kirk's screaming like at him.

870
00:53:09.179 --> 00:53:10.019
Eve.

871
00:53:13.139 --> 00:53:16.980
But she's wearing a sequined dress. you know what I mean?

872
00:53:17.039 --> 00:53:18.119
Like, it's so cab.

873
00:53:18.179 --> 00:53:19.079
It's just correct.

874
00:53:19.139 --> 00:53:19.800
Oh, Nathan.

875
00:53:19.800 --> 00:53:22.019
A pink sequin drink.

876
00:53:22.079 --> 00:53:23.460
Pink secret dress, exactly.

877
00:53:23.519 --> 00:53:25.559
She's in fact, though.

878
00:53:25.619 --> 00:53:27.960
Oh, no, those are all flip-flops, aren't they?

879
00:53:28.019 --> 00:53:28.199
Yeah.

880
00:53:28.260 --> 00:53:29.099
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

881
00:53:29.159 --> 00:53:30.539
Oh, come on now.

882
00:53:30.599 --> 00:53:32.280
Don't give her heels on that.

883
00:53:33.360 --> 00:53:36.239
Shut now, watch out, your wigs on the move.

884
00:53:39.119 --> 00:53:41.099
This is more like it.

885
00:53:41.219 --> 00:53:42.239
This is what I want to see.

886
00:53:42.300 --> 00:53:43.440
Lessons of sexism.

887
00:53:43.500 --> 00:53:52.079
More just on the surface of a planet being attacked by the by the elements. by the elements, but he's gone out to find her too, hasn't he?

888
00:53:52.139 --> 00:53:56.460
Yeah, I mean, would you like to wind up stuck with that, man?

889
00:53:56.519 --> 00:53:59.219
even if he was intelligent and sort of emotionally available.

890
00:53:59.280 --> 00:54:04.320
Well, I think he's probably got the secondariest back of the guest cast.

891
00:54:04.380 --> 00:54:06.059
Is that a plus?

892
00:54:06.119 --> 00:54:07.440
Yeah, yeah.

893
00:54:07.500 --> 00:54:08.820
Hairy back, really?

894
00:54:08.820 --> 00:54:16.139
Yeah, it ain't hairy than modesty, let's be honest.

895
00:54:16.199 --> 00:54:22.440
No, I've got some nanites that can deal with that, Mart, all right. shape all over.

896
00:54:22.800 --> 00:54:25.079
Oh, dear, my dear.

897
00:54:25.139 --> 00:54:27.599
The storm is ionising now, my word.

898
00:54:27.659 --> 00:54:29.340
Yes, it's terrible.

899
00:54:29.400 --> 00:54:32.519
Because we can't get a probe through. can't get appropriate.

900
00:54:32.579 --> 00:54:33.539
That's why I say okay.

901
00:54:33.599 --> 00:54:34.139
Yeah, yeah.

902
00:54:36.000 --> 00:54:39.659
Is he saying, hang on, he goes, if any, I've got those crystals.

903
00:54:39.719 --> 00:54:42.119
Oh, we could we could be able to save them.

904
00:54:42.179 --> 00:54:42.480
Right.

905
00:54:42.539 --> 00:54:44.579
I thought it meant we could just get out of here.

906
00:54:45.059 --> 00:54:46.860
No, no, no.

907
00:54:46.920 --> 00:54:53.820
I mean, and that's the thing, and he kind of loses his shit a little bit because he, remember, Ben said, I'll get around to the crystals.

908
00:54:53.880 --> 00:54:54.539
You just wait.

909
00:54:55.139 --> 00:55:00.420
Nathan, I can't help but notice that poor Nachelle's costume is outrageously short.

910
00:55:00.480 --> 00:55:01.260
Did you see then?

911
00:55:01.559 --> 00:55:03.000
Yeah.

912
00:55:03.300 --> 00:55:06.539
It's also just ill fitting, I think.

913
00:55:06.599 --> 00:55:10.679
Yeah, it's they did the right thing and red just looks stunning on that.

914
00:55:10.739 --> 00:55:11.400
Yeah, yeah.

915
00:55:11.460 --> 00:55:12.239
Yeah, absolutely.

916
00:55:12.360 --> 00:55:16.920
And, you know, occasionally they give her something to do in the plot as well, not often, but occasionally.

917
00:55:16.920 --> 00:55:18.000
Not in any say episode.

918
00:55:18.059 --> 00:55:20.460
They haven't learned to do that yet, either.

919
00:55:20.519 --> 00:55:21.719
Yeah.

920
00:55:21.780 --> 00:55:22.679
That's it.

921
00:55:22.739 --> 00:55:25.380
Oh, look, he's got her in his arms since the honeymoon night.

922
00:55:25.440 --> 00:55:30.900
Yeah, yeah, yeah, but he has gone out to rescue her and Kirk has been unable to do that.

923
00:55:31.920 --> 00:55:37.079
It's this bit of a minute when they start having a row, then suddenly Kirk's just there.

924
00:55:37.139 --> 00:55:37.679
Hello.

925
00:55:37.920 --> 00:55:39.840
But the row.

926
00:55:39.900 --> 00:55:45.960
I mean, the thing about the row is that that's kind of like a sitcom 60s marriage.

927
00:55:46.019 --> 00:55:46.980
Do you know what I mean?

928
00:55:47.039 --> 00:55:55.380
Like that's how married couples spoke to one another sometimes in the, like the honeymooners or whatever in the 1960s in American television.

929
00:55:55.440 --> 00:56:00.059
Uh, and that's the potential for it, the Rygel Fivers.

930
00:56:00.119 --> 00:56:00.659
We could go back there.

931
00:56:00.719 --> 00:56:08.340
But there's a, there's a kind of, there's, that's a more adult conception of what a relationship between a man and a woman is.

932
00:56:08.400 --> 00:56:09.539
Do you know what I mean?

933
00:56:09.599 --> 00:56:12.780
Like, and so we, that's where we land. you know.

934
00:56:12.840 --> 00:56:16.199
Why is George Decay sweating so much?

935
00:56:16.260 --> 00:56:18.719
Is it because the situation is dire right now?

936
00:56:18.840 --> 00:56:21.539
It's those studio lights.

937
00:56:23.039 --> 00:56:25.619
I bet everyone's a bit swing.

938
00:56:25.800 --> 00:56:27.539
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

939
00:56:27.659 --> 00:56:31.199
You hear stories of the sprinklers coming on because it gets so hot, don't you?

940
00:56:31.260 --> 00:56:32.760
Oh, here we go.

941
00:56:32.820 --> 00:56:36.360
She's made a lovely bit of, actually, it looks a bit like plaster scene, doesn't it?

942
00:56:36.420 --> 00:56:42.780
But look, I think she's she's suddenly hot now too, because she's not wearing the dress.

943
00:56:42.840 --> 00:56:44.460
She's wearing one of his old shirts.

944
00:56:44.519 --> 00:56:45.900
Do you know what I mean?

945
00:56:45.960 --> 00:56:50.519
And that's kind of attractive, you know, like she's wearing a big shirt that belongs to him.

946
00:56:50.579 --> 00:56:52.440
She's got her sleeves rolled up.

947
00:56:52.500 --> 00:56:56.340
She's cleaned the place up and he's initially sort of grumpy about that.

948
00:56:56.400 --> 00:56:58.860
You know, I know where everything is or whatever.

949
00:56:58.920 --> 00:57:00.780
And she's beautiful too.

950
00:57:00.840 --> 00:57:07.739
And it is that thing about just, um, confidence and stuff and agency again.

951
00:57:07.800 --> 00:57:19.260
You know, look, she makes fun of him. those beautiful green eyes as well, like are brought out by the green, um, the green shirt.

952
00:57:19.559 --> 00:57:22.260
I've not laid a hand on you, all right?

953
00:57:22.320 --> 00:57:22.860
Remember that.

954
00:57:22.920 --> 00:57:24.599
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

955
00:57:24.659 --> 00:57:26.699
But that's not like I haven't had sex with you.

956
00:57:26.760 --> 00:57:33.360
You know, we're not married. you know, like, and I've been respectful, you know, actually, you're right.

957
00:57:33.420 --> 00:57:36.420
This is a better scene than I remembered, you know?

958
00:57:36.480 --> 00:57:37.500
Yeah, yeah.

959
00:57:37.559 --> 00:57:46.679
But that old female cooking again, and then she has this little wry smile, but look at his reaction when he tries the female cooking, which I just think is really fun.

960
00:57:46.800 --> 00:57:51.239
Why isn't he beguiled by her like all the enterprise crew was?

961
00:57:51.360 --> 00:57:54.719
Well, because she's running out of thing.

962
00:57:54.840 --> 00:57:57.300
And then he, oh, magic juice.

963
00:57:59.400 --> 00:58:04.139
And then they're arguing about how shitty is it doing the washing up?

964
00:58:04.199 --> 00:58:07.619
Oh my god, you could go to the well farming some water and then we'll talk.

965
00:58:07.679 --> 00:58:08.460
Oh please.

966
00:58:08.519 --> 00:58:16.500
I mean, there's just no, like if there's wind, it would scour it dry, and then he goes, yeah, no, I'm too stupid to have thought of that, whoops.

967
00:58:16.559 --> 00:58:20.760
You know, and so they are fighting and stuff, but it's a fine, and he does it.

968
00:58:20.820 --> 00:58:23.460
Look at him hanging up the pans on the washing line.

969
00:58:23.519 --> 00:58:25.679
I mean, this is just like resolutions, isn't it?

970
00:58:25.800 --> 00:58:27.179
Which I weren't.

971
00:58:27.420 --> 00:58:30.780
Yeah, so I can't hate this.

972
00:58:30.840 --> 00:58:33.719
I think that that was it's still sexist.

973
00:58:33.780 --> 00:58:35.400
Of course the conclusion is sexist.

974
00:58:35.460 --> 00:58:39.420
She ends up being his housewife and that's the only thing that she can hope for.

975
00:58:39.480 --> 00:58:41.880
But you're all right.

976
00:58:41.940 --> 00:58:47.219
I mean, suddenly we've come away from the Enterprise crew, and it feels a lot less sexist than it was.

977
00:58:47.280 --> 00:58:48.539
Yeah.

978
00:58:48.599 --> 00:58:50.460
And I think she's beautiful as well.

979
00:58:50.519 --> 00:58:56.639
Like when she's not, when they're not doing the sort of glamour makeup and stuff, she's still beautiful.

980
00:58:56.639 --> 00:58:58.679
Walking around pouting with her ass on her.

981
00:58:58.739 --> 00:59:00.599
Yeah, she looks so much prettier, yeah.

982
00:59:00.659 --> 00:59:01.079
Yeah.

983
00:59:01.619 --> 00:59:03.900
Well, the truth is, Nathan.

984
00:59:03.960 --> 00:59:08.820
I mean, it's a bit an obvious thing to say, but very pretty people can become ugly very quickly.

985
00:59:08.820 --> 00:59:12.840
And less attractive people, can become very pretty very quickly.

986
00:59:12.900 --> 00:59:14.639
The more time you spend with them.

987
00:59:14.699 --> 00:59:16.739
And I think we've all met both people.

988
00:59:16.800 --> 00:59:18.059
Yeah.

989
00:59:18.119 --> 00:59:18.659
Yeah.

990
00:59:18.780 --> 00:59:21.659
Yeah, so...

991
00:59:21.659 --> 00:59:41.219
So this is the last time where, see, now he's getting violent and ugly because as we said before, he thinks he deserves a supermodel because he's a rich man and he can't give that up to accept what he has in front of him, which is a beautiful, competent woman.

992
00:59:41.280 --> 00:59:43.619
We don't deserve he could make a life.

993
00:59:43.739 --> 00:59:45.780
No, no, but I think he learns.

994
00:59:45.840 --> 00:59:54.000
I think he learns and she learns as well that she can be attractive without the drive, which is what she does. how dating works these days.

995
00:59:54.059 --> 00:59:57.539
You know, you sort of go along the date and you go, well, I don't really want you.

996
00:59:57.599 --> 00:59:59.159
I'm looking for someone better looking.

997
00:59:59.219 --> 01:00:02.579
And then by the end of the day, you go, oh, you'll do.

998
01:00:02.639 --> 01:00:08.219
You know, like, it's a very 60s way of um, entire single woman.

999
01:00:08.280 --> 01:00:08.940
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1000
01:00:09.000 --> 01:00:10.320
No, exactly, exactly.

1001
01:00:10.380 --> 01:00:18.420
And just this thing where she takes the gelatin or whatever and she's suddenly they put makeup on her again and stuff.

1002
01:00:18.480 --> 01:00:20.460
Again, it's just too much.

1003
01:00:20.519 --> 01:00:21.300
It doesn't work.

1004
01:00:21.360 --> 01:00:23.760
Actually, to be honest with you, Nathan, I think it's worse now.

1005
01:00:23.820 --> 01:00:31.199
I think you go, you know, go to the toilet on a date now and they're on their grinder or something looking for the next alternative.

1006
01:00:31.320 --> 01:00:32.219
Oh, you're away.

1007
01:00:32.280 --> 01:00:34.139
I feel that that's what date is like now.

1008
01:00:34.320 --> 01:00:37.260
I wouldn't have the faintest.

1009
01:00:37.320 --> 01:00:40.980
Well, I know people who are single, you know, it's a quagmire, I'll tell you.

1010
01:00:41.039 --> 01:00:42.000
Yeah.

1011
01:00:43.079 --> 01:00:45.599
Subspace radio marriage.

1012
01:00:46.260 --> 01:00:49.619
That's how we do marriage by subspace radio.

1013
01:00:49.679 --> 01:00:52.199
I like the fact that they've got space cars as well.

1014
01:00:52.260 --> 01:00:54.239
It's normal cards, but they're cut into circles.

1015
01:00:54.539 --> 01:01:01.500
They will actually turn up on the show elsewhere, I think, according to Memory Alpha, we will see them on board the Enterprise.

1016
01:01:01.559 --> 01:01:03.900
Do we see them later on 90s Kurtzman Trek?

1017
01:01:03.960 --> 01:01:05.099
I hope so.

1018
01:01:05.159 --> 01:01:06.539
That'd be pretty good.

1019
01:01:06.599 --> 01:01:09.840
That sort of chess that spot plays keeps turning up, doesn't it?

1020
01:01:09.900 --> 01:01:13.860
Well, I mean, I actually thought it was sort of charming when they were talking about cards.

1021
01:01:13.920 --> 01:01:19.739
Like she was playing some kind of solitaire and he came in and gave her some advice and she said, yeah, I'm not playing that kind of solitaire.

1022
01:01:19.860 --> 01:01:20.820
Oh, like whatever.

1023
01:01:20.880 --> 01:01:21.780
Do you know what those are?

1024
01:01:21.840 --> 01:01:23.219
Those are round trees, gummies.

1025
01:01:23.280 --> 01:01:24.059
They're delicious.

1026
01:01:24.840 --> 01:01:27.900
You know, what may you want these sweeties?

1027
01:01:27.960 --> 01:01:28.980
Yeah.

1028
01:01:30.000 --> 01:01:35.639
I mean, this bit now, I mean, the moral is just so laboured. isn't it?

1029
01:01:35.699 --> 01:01:36.539
I was like, yeah.

1030
01:01:36.599 --> 01:01:37.320
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1031
01:01:37.380 --> 01:01:39.420
I'm 3 years old.

1032
01:01:40.199 --> 01:01:41.639
Yeah.

1033
01:01:41.699 --> 01:01:42.179
Yeah, yeah.

1034
01:01:42.239 --> 01:01:52.860
And it is possible for TV and media to be, but this is Star Trek, remember, even in the in the 90s, it has to absolutely hammer the message home.

1035
01:01:52.920 --> 01:02:02.159
Well, I mean, isn't this the period still, where someone would look out the screen and go, now, I know you've just watched that episode. and this is what it's all about, you know?

1036
01:02:02.280 --> 01:02:04.500
I mean, at least they're doing it, yeah.

1037
01:02:04.619 --> 01:02:16.619
I know, but we have watched like I've watched TV and movies from the 60s and stuff that do let you kind of do a bit of work in order to work out what they're about.

1038
01:02:16.679 --> 01:02:19.739
That might be about 80% of 90s track, if I'm honest.

1039
01:02:19.800 --> 01:02:21.300
Well, yeah, exactly.

1040
01:02:22.019 --> 01:02:27.000
There's a few times where they don't have the tag scene at the end and you go, my God.

1041
01:02:27.059 --> 01:02:31.260
They let the climax of the episode happen and we didn't have a dialogue scene.

1042
01:02:31.320 --> 01:02:32.400
Tell us what it was all about.

1043
01:02:32.460 --> 01:02:33.780
Like, it's rare, though.

1044
01:02:33.900 --> 01:02:34.860
Yeah, it is rare.

1045
01:02:34.920 --> 01:02:35.219
Yeah.

1046
01:02:35.219 --> 01:02:37.500
Yes.

1047
01:02:37.559 --> 01:02:41.039
Well, I suppose I'll be happy here doing your dishes.

1048
01:02:41.099 --> 01:02:41.760
Lovely.

1049
01:02:42.239 --> 01:02:44.699
Yeah, yeah, but that's it.

1050
01:02:44.760 --> 01:02:49.380
She thinks that she's taken the drug and so she's suddenly appears like she has makeup on.

1051
01:02:49.440 --> 01:02:50.940
I don't quite know how that works.

1052
01:02:51.420 --> 01:02:53.519
You know, what do you call this?

1053
01:02:53.519 --> 01:02:54.239
Roundtree.

1054
01:02:54.300 --> 01:02:56.639
Sweeties, coloured gelatin.

1055
01:02:56.699 --> 01:02:57.719
I realise that's what they are.

1056
01:02:57.840 --> 01:03:00.000
It makes it sound far less attractive.

1057
01:03:00.059 --> 01:03:01.980
Yeah, horses hooves.

1058
01:03:02.039 --> 01:03:02.699
Yeah.

1059
01:03:02.760 --> 01:03:03.659
Yeah.

1060
01:03:03.719 --> 01:03:04.920
They're delicious though.

1061
01:03:04.920 --> 01:03:05.639
They're really nice.

1062
01:03:08.699 --> 01:03:11.519
Oh, look at how he's looking at her now, the ball farmer.

1063
01:03:11.579 --> 01:03:12.719
He's so happy.

1064
01:03:12.780 --> 01:03:13.500
Look, oh.

1065
01:03:13.500 --> 01:03:14.400
Yeah.

1066
01:03:14.460 --> 01:03:15.960
I've got a real woman.

1067
01:03:16.079 --> 01:03:18.059
Did you bring a suitcase?

1068
01:03:18.599 --> 01:03:21.000
Because I've got no lady's clothes and you can't wear that forever.

1069
01:03:21.179 --> 01:03:23.880
Oh, I bet it really suits her though.

1070
01:03:23.940 --> 01:03:26.039
Oh, yeah, that's right.

1071
01:03:26.099 --> 01:03:27.539
She's wearing the dress. wash it.

1072
01:03:27.599 --> 01:03:31.380
Well, she was wearing that green shirt of his before.

1073
01:03:31.440 --> 01:03:32.099
It looked great.

1074
01:03:32.159 --> 01:03:33.000
Actually, look at it.

1075
01:03:33.059 --> 01:03:34.380
It's plastic. just wipe it down.

1076
01:03:34.440 --> 01:03:35.760
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1077
01:03:35.820 --> 01:03:37.619
How did we get here?

1078
01:03:38.820 --> 01:03:41.340
Right, we've got the crystals.

1079
01:03:41.400 --> 01:03:42.480
He's got the woman.

1080
01:03:42.539 --> 01:03:43.920
She's learnt to love herself.

1081
01:03:43.980 --> 01:03:44.460
Let's go.

1082
01:03:44.940 --> 01:03:50.159
Yeah, but that evil stay, the day at least, we have a lot to talk about.

1083
01:03:50.219 --> 01:03:52.800
We want to talk and they both do want to talk.

1084
01:03:52.860 --> 01:03:53.579
I like it.

1085
01:03:53.639 --> 01:03:54.300
Yeah.

1086
01:03:54.360 --> 01:04:00.599
I'm not sure I would have forgotten the fact that he'd said to me, I can pay for prettier girls than you, though.

1087
01:04:00.659 --> 01:04:06.420
I know you should let people learn things and develop things, but yeah, I think that would be an ugly scene.

1088
01:04:06.480 --> 01:04:11.699
Back of my head because I think, oh, the next woman that comes along who's prettier than me, I'll be out.

1089
01:04:11.760 --> 01:04:18.480
But he's learned a lesson and maybe maybe at the end of the day, she says, actually, I'm going to go somewhere else.

1090
01:04:18.480 --> 01:04:19.500
You were very nice.

1091
01:04:19.559 --> 01:04:20.579
Thank you, but I'm off.

1092
01:04:20.940 --> 01:04:24.179
You said on this planet. it would be punishment enough.

1093
01:04:24.239 --> 01:04:26.639
Well, you know you're leaving her then to this hell planet.

1094
01:04:30.179 --> 01:04:40.380
And what I did like was apart from that one scene where he was given them all the drugs, I think he stays on the right line of not being sexist in this episode.

1095
01:04:40.440 --> 01:04:41.519
He's just fun.

1096
01:04:41.519 --> 01:04:43.920
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1097
01:04:43.980 --> 01:04:45.360
I can see why they brought him back.

1098
01:04:45.780 --> 01:04:47.460
I like it.

1099
01:04:47.519 --> 01:04:51.300
And look at Spock here. like where Spock makes fun of him.

1100
01:04:51.360 --> 01:04:54.360
Oh, and then he says the most annoying emotional episode.

1101
01:04:54.420 --> 01:04:55.980
I was like, what do you mean episode?

1102
01:04:56.039 --> 01:04:58.079
Oh, this episode of television.

1103
01:04:58.860 --> 01:05:01.380
But look, we're just finishing.

1104
01:05:01.440 --> 01:05:02.400
I know.

1105
01:05:02.519 --> 01:05:03.539
Is it the ears?

1106
01:05:03.599 --> 01:05:04.739
I can't tell what's different.

1107
01:05:04.860 --> 01:05:08.460
He's got a normal bigger. isn't it?

1108
01:05:08.519 --> 01:05:10.679
Yeah, yeah, yeah. he just looks younger.

1109
01:05:10.739 --> 01:05:13.079
Oh, he looks less...

1110
01:05:13.079 --> 01:05:14.880
He comes Scotty for no reason whatsoever.

1111
01:05:14.880 --> 01:05:16.380
To be in the last short look.

1112
01:05:17.340 --> 01:05:18.480
Why did he walk in the door?

1113
01:05:18.780 --> 01:05:22.679
God, that is a tiny dress that Nichelle's wearing, isn't it?

1114
01:05:22.739 --> 01:05:27.119
It's really short Well, Harvey Harts, well done.

1115
01:05:27.179 --> 01:05:31.800
You've set back women's rights by about 50 years, but you've taught us a lesson at the end.

1116
01:05:31.920 --> 01:05:35.039
Well, yeah, I don't know if he comes back to direct.

1117
01:05:35.099 --> 01:05:38.340
I think he goes over budget or something here, but how?

1118
01:05:38.400 --> 01:05:38.699
Yes.

1119
01:05:38.820 --> 01:05:41.400
We were on the ship for most of the episode.

1120
01:05:41.460 --> 01:05:43.920
Oh, I suppose it was the 1st time they built the planet.

1121
01:05:44.099 --> 01:05:49.800
Well, I'll have to say it was far more as usual, enjoyable watching that alongside you.

1122
01:05:49.860 --> 01:05:54.059
I can't imagine that's one I'll go back to in any great hurry, though.

1123
01:05:54.179 --> 01:05:57.360
No, I mean, it might happen.

1124
01:05:58.019 --> 01:06:06.780
Uh, it might happen if I um, roll it on the randomiser or something at some point in the future because uh, that's a thing that I sometimes do.

1125
01:06:06.840 --> 01:06:09.719
Uh, and uh, so maybe I will go back.

1126
01:06:09.780 --> 01:06:27.719
But like I said, I, it is bad and it is terribly sexist and it's very weird, but I think it's a functional hour of TV in spite of that, and that it's not as bad as it looks like it's going to be, I think.

1127
01:06:27.780 --> 01:06:30.420
There are sort of stables that you have at the end of the episode.

1128
01:06:30.480 --> 01:06:35.039
Just before the one of the really sexy green Orion lady.

1129
01:06:35.099 --> 01:06:40.380
There's still of Kirk, Spock, and Uhura.

1130
01:06:40.440 --> 01:06:43.440
Oh, clearly a torpedo's hit the ship or something.

1131
01:06:43.500 --> 01:06:50.940
They're all diving across the set, but Nachelle is diving straight towards the camera with a look of absolute horror on her face.

1132
01:06:51.000 --> 01:06:51.780
Did you see it?

1133
01:06:51.840 --> 01:06:53.760
It was very funny.

1134
01:06:54.179 --> 01:06:57.480
They've just taken the shot, the perfect time.

1135
01:06:57.539 --> 01:06:59.760
It looks like fucking chaos.

1136
01:06:59.820 --> 01:07:01.139
I don't know what's happening there.

1137
01:07:01.199 --> 01:07:02.460
Awesome.

1138
01:07:03.119 --> 01:07:06.059
No, now I am hang on a second.

1139
01:07:06.119 --> 01:07:07.679
The next episode started.

1140
01:07:07.739 --> 01:07:09.000
What are little girls made of?

1141
01:07:09.059 --> 01:07:12.239
And there's a beautiful blonde woman on the bridge there.

1142
01:07:12.300 --> 01:07:13.019
It looks like Majel.

1143
01:07:13.139 --> 01:07:16.380
Nah, sexist again.

1144
01:07:16.440 --> 01:07:17.519
Is that Nurse Chapel?

1145
01:07:17.579 --> 01:07:18.960
Yes.

1146
01:07:19.019 --> 01:07:25.619
So what are little girls made of is where the character of Roger Corby comes from.

1147
01:07:25.679 --> 01:07:37.380
So when we were last aboard the Enterprise for Strangely World, that's Nurse Chapel's sexy Irish boyfriend, the archeologist.

1148
01:07:37.440 --> 01:07:38.099
Yes.

1149
01:07:38.159 --> 01:07:38.579
Yeah.

1150
01:07:38.579 --> 01:07:40.980
So that's the episode that introduces him.

1151
01:07:41.039 --> 01:07:44.460
Oh, does she sort of flounder about the place getting emotional in this episode?

1152
01:07:44.880 --> 01:07:49.260
Yeah, she's actually a bit of wet fish in it.

1153
01:07:49.320 --> 01:07:53.519
She's it's a bit pathetic. can't imagine it. mature, can you?

1154
01:07:53.579 --> 01:07:55.019
But, you know, Laxada Troy.

1155
01:07:55.079 --> 01:07:56.880
I know, I know, I know, I know.

1156
01:07:56.940 --> 01:08:09.780
And it's not a good episode, I think. but it's obviously one that they've decided to go back to, you know, to give Nurse Chappell a backstory and to give Spock a rival, I think, in Strange U World.

1157
01:08:09.840 --> 01:08:15.119
You know, if you squint, she looks very like number one, you know, from the 1st episode.

1158
01:08:15.179 --> 01:08:17.699
That's also incredibly sexist.

1159
01:08:17.760 --> 01:08:25.619
Like we've said, it takes 2 beautiful and talented women to replace her in strange new worlds, doesn't it?

1160
01:08:25.680 --> 01:08:27.300
Oh, do you remember what the exec said?

1161
01:08:27.359 --> 01:08:27.960
Do you remember?

1162
01:08:28.020 --> 01:08:29.039
I couldn't believe it.

1163
01:08:29.100 --> 01:08:36.720
They said, fine, you can keep the alien who looks like Satan, but you can get rid of that woman in a position of authority.

1164
01:08:36.779 --> 01:08:44.399
And then Gene, who was so sad that he couldn't give Migel a brilliant role in this, married her instead.

1165
01:08:44.460 --> 01:08:47.039
He said, I can't do without you. marry me.

1166
01:08:47.760 --> 01:08:50.279
Sex is old cad, isn't he?

1167
01:08:50.340 --> 01:08:53.760
And that's where the plot 4 months women came to.

1168
01:09:01.260 --> 01:09:07.260
All right, it's the end of the episode, and it's time for us to work out where we're going next time.

1169
01:09:07.319 --> 01:09:27.000
We've had a rough couple of episodes and it's time for us, I think, to watch something a bit more fun, but just to add that edge of suspense, Frisson of danger to the rolling process, I have selected Star Trek Voyager.

1170
01:09:27.060 --> 01:09:29.520
That's the series that we're going to.

1171
01:09:29.579 --> 01:09:32.100
The last episode we watched was Twisted.

1172
01:09:33.840 --> 01:09:36.479
You love living on the edge, don't you?

1173
01:09:36.539 --> 01:09:37.979
I do.

1174
01:09:38.039 --> 01:09:38.880
It should be fun.

1175
01:09:38.939 --> 01:09:41.579
And I've got all of the seasons select.

1176
01:09:41.640 --> 01:09:47.640
I think it's probably about 50, 60, 40, 50, 50, 55, 45.

1177
01:09:47.880 --> 01:09:49.079
Let's be care, kind.

1178
01:09:49.199 --> 01:10:05.399
In fact, my friend James, friend of the podcast, James, has been watching Voyager, and has been like texting me and things, and I've gone through and looked at some of the episodes that we've done, and we have done a fair number of just kind of middling run of the meal episodes that are okay. you know what I mean?

1179
01:10:05.460 --> 01:10:05.939
that aren't bad.

1180
01:10:06.000 --> 01:10:08.579
There's plenty of bangers that we haven't done yet.

1181
01:10:08.640 --> 01:10:09.359
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1182
01:10:09.420 --> 01:10:15.539
So it reminded me that there is sort of fun to be had even in a kind of fairly unremarkable Voyager episode.

1183
01:10:15.600 --> 01:10:19.920
Can't you just put in season two, so we keep rolling till we get the Thor?

1184
01:10:19.979 --> 01:10:23.460
please No, no, we're gonna do all of it.

1185
01:10:23.520 --> 01:10:24.180
Oh, shame.

1186
01:10:24.239 --> 01:10:24.539
All right.

1187
01:10:24.600 --> 01:10:24.840
Okay.

1188
01:10:24.899 --> 01:10:25.560
Okay.

1189
01:10:25.619 --> 01:10:26.159
Here goes.

1190
01:10:27.000 --> 01:10:29.460
Oh, this is actually a good one.

1191
01:10:29.520 --> 01:10:38.100
Your random Star Trek Voyager episode is season one episode seven, Eye of the Needle.

1192
01:10:38.159 --> 01:10:39.720
Oh, it's really good.

1193
01:10:39.779 --> 01:10:41.220
It's really good.

1194
01:10:41.279 --> 01:10:42.420
But it's quite serious.

1195
01:10:42.479 --> 01:10:45.060
I mean, it's very serious.

1196
01:10:45.180 --> 01:10:47.880
You know, should we not go for something a bit more schlocky?

1197
01:10:47.939 --> 01:10:49.500
Okay, all right.

1198
01:10:50.100 --> 01:10:54.119
It shouldn't be too hard to find something that's a bit B-mov-ish.

1199
01:10:54.180 --> 01:10:59.159
Yeah, this is one that I actually quite like and I don't think you like.

1200
01:10:59.220 --> 01:11:06.479
And it's one that actually becomes very important in Starfleet Academy, would you believe?

1201
01:11:06.539 --> 01:11:09.060
Oh, boy.

1202
01:11:09.119 --> 01:11:12.359
I'm just off to listen to my Klingon opera, all right?

1203
01:11:12.420 --> 01:11:14.220
No, right, Klingon rock bands.

1204
01:11:14.579 --> 01:11:17.100
Yes, that's exactly what it is.

1205
01:11:17.159 --> 01:11:20.039
It's season three, episode 22, real life.

1206
01:11:20.100 --> 01:11:31.560
It does have one of my favourite lines of Star Trek of all time when Belana Torres goes, excuse me, But you're not discovering what family life is like with these lollipops.

1207
01:11:31.560 --> 01:11:32.159
She goes.

1208
01:11:34.380 --> 01:11:38.460
Yeah, I actually, I quite liked it the last time I watched it.

1209
01:11:38.520 --> 01:11:47.399
I mean, it is utterly manipulative and artificial in its sentimentality, but it is Robert Picardo.

1210
01:11:48.359 --> 01:11:50.220
We could...

1211
01:11:50.220 --> 01:11:51.479
And the twist is, yeah?

1212
01:11:51.539 --> 01:11:53.819
Well, the twist is that there's long running effects.

1213
01:11:53.880 --> 01:11:58.920
Yeah, the twist is that he's still mourning Bella in the 31st century.

1214
01:11:58.979 --> 01:12:07.800
He's still that loss that he experiences in this episode, has made him reluctant to ever really commit to anyone.

1215
01:12:07.859 --> 01:12:12.300
Um, because, you know, she's real to him.

1216
01:12:12.359 --> 01:12:17.699
She's a hologram, he's a hologram and her death, which is manipulative, I think.

1217
01:12:17.699 --> 01:12:31.260
You know, the thing I objected to last time I watched it was like, the Brady Bunch version of them was so like one note and then the dark version of them, that was so obvious.

1218
01:12:31.260 --> 01:12:35.460
And I was like, oh, there's just a better version of this episode they could have done.

1219
01:12:35.520 --> 01:12:38.579
It would have been so much for fun.

1220
01:12:38.640 --> 01:12:51.359
I think it's the, it is that Kurtzman Trek thing of finding, like I said before, finding an unloved corner of the franchise and elevating it in some way, like making it more interesting.

1221
01:12:51.779 --> 01:12:53.939
But yeah, you're right.

1222
01:12:54.000 --> 01:13:10.439
So we get a cheesy TV version of family life. that Bellana objects to, and we replace it with another cheesy TV version, which we're calling real life. you know, like, so yes, there are ways in which it doesn't work.

1223
01:13:10.500 --> 01:13:13.199
I think we might try again.

1224
01:13:13.260 --> 01:13:14.279
Oh, okay.

1225
01:13:14.340 --> 01:13:16.560
I thought you were going to make the choice there to do it.

1226
01:13:16.619 --> 01:13:17.579
All right, let's keep going.

1227
01:13:19.140 --> 01:13:24.300
Season six, episode two, I don't know what this is, survival instinct.

1228
01:13:24.420 --> 01:13:27.300
Oh, I really like survival instincts.

1229
01:13:27.359 --> 01:13:32.579
So it's the one Ronald D. Moore scripted Voyager episode.

1230
01:13:32.640 --> 01:13:59.460
It has the wonderful thing that they never do often enough on Voyager, and that is they go somewhere and just hang there, this fabulous space station where there's all these competitions and things, and they just get to go and have a lot of fun, but at the same time, there's 3 people there that were part of 7 of 9's Borg, unit, who have all come away from the Borg.

1231
01:13:59.520 --> 01:14:10.260
Um, it's a really, and it flashes back to when they crashed on a planet and they were suddenly all individuals and she portrays them and makes them Borg again.

1232
01:14:10.319 --> 01:14:12.300
It's a really good episode.

1233
01:14:12.359 --> 01:14:18.720
It's not like a standout, but it's like a top tier mid forger episode, I'd say.

1234
01:14:18.840 --> 01:14:20.399
Well, let's do that.

1235
01:14:20.460 --> 01:14:21.060
That'd be fun.

1236
01:14:21.119 --> 01:14:24.239
I mean, you even have fun with Harry and Tom.

1237
01:14:24.300 --> 01:14:27.359
They're off having these competitions and end up being up loads of people.

1238
01:14:27.420 --> 01:14:27.960
It was really funny.

1239
01:14:28.560 --> 01:14:30.060
Excellent.

1240
01:14:30.119 --> 01:14:31.140
No, no. that sounds great.

1241
01:14:31.199 --> 01:14:31.920
Perfect.

1242
01:14:31.979 --> 01:14:37.319
Let's do that. like this, Nathan, one last thing. because they're in orbit of this fabulous station.

1243
01:14:37.380 --> 01:14:41.039
They've got practical light coming in the windows into the sets.

1244
01:14:41.100 --> 01:14:42.000
Brilliant.

1245
01:14:42.060 --> 01:14:42.539
Love it.

1246
01:14:42.600 --> 01:14:43.500
Awesome.

1247
01:14:50.520 --> 01:15:01.560
You've been listening to untitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford and Nathan Bottomley, where online at untitled Star Trek Project.com, where you can find subscription links and links to our social media accounts.

1248
01:15:01.619 --> 01:15:07.020
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Ciceron, and the fee was composed by Cameron Lamb.

1249
01:15:07.079 --> 01:15:12.720
This episode was recorded on the 21st of July 2026 and released on the 24th of July.

1250
01:15:12.779 --> 01:15:17.340
We'll see you next time for Star Trek Voyager, Survival Instinct.

1251
01:15:35.399 --> 01:15:37.979
Yeah, we should cut it there.

1252
01:15:40.260 --> 01:15:43.800
We have not lost the touch for an outline, have we?

1253
01:15:44.520 --> 01:15:46.680
Oh, fucking hell.

1254
01:15:46.739 --> 01:15:48.479
The camera just zoomed in on her, right?

1255
01:15:48.539 --> 01:15:49.619
And to the side.

1256
01:15:49.680 --> 01:15:54.779
And she went, oh, it's not very good.

1257
01:15:54.840 --> 01:16:01.140
I did watch it before we did through the lens of time because I just wanted to see where he came from.

1258
01:16:01.199 --> 01:16:10.500
And it's got the guy who plays the who plays, what's the name of the big guy in the Adams family?

1259
01:16:12.420 --> 01:16:14.039
Lurch.

1260
01:16:14.100 --> 01:16:19.319
So it's got the guy who plays lurch on the original Adams family as a big killer robot.

1261
01:16:19.380 --> 01:16:26.039
And of course, the guy who played Lurch from the Adams family movies, I think, is Mr. Holm, isn't he?

1262
01:16:26.100 --> 01:16:27.180
Yes, yeah.

1263
01:16:27.239 --> 01:16:28.800
Yeah, in TNG.

1264
01:16:28.920 --> 01:16:30.899
Oh, Nathan, finder, something good.

1265
01:16:30.960 --> 01:16:31.319
Come on.

1266
01:16:31.800 --> 01:16:34.380
I mean, we did laugh a lot.

1267
01:16:34.439 --> 01:16:35.880
We were just taken up.

1268
01:16:35.880 --> 01:16:36.659
It's mostly.

1269
01:16:36.720 --> 01:16:40.199
And there was things to say, but let's watch something good.