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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So, we are back for the third time in Star Trek Strange New World Series 3.

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We've done episode one, hegemony, and episode 9 terrarium.

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We've done McGorn episodes, and now we are back for episode five, which is through the lens of time.

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Now I've done some homework this time.

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And it was watching the entire series.

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That was a year ago, admittedly.

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But I have watched the whole series and on top of that.

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I did watch about 20 minutes of what are little girls made of, which is obviously slightly relevant to at least one of the characters in series 3 of Strangely Worlds.

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And I can report back that it is not very interesting.

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Okay.

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How about you just made suddenly makes sense.

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Well, I did no homework at all for this.

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I simply watched the hour of television that was presented in front of me.

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And I'm displeased to say that the 2 Gord episodes that we did were vastly superior to this.

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It's kind of funny because this has, this thing about the new series where there are only 10 part stories means that there's basically no room for business as usual stories, I think.

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And what we don't get, for instance, are stories like TNG's power play, which has some things in common, I think, with this, in the sense that, you know, it's a big space prison full of disembodied alien entities, but then it all kind of goes to hell. to get rid of that in power play. and just letting Marina camp it up for half an hour.

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Why didn't they do that here?

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So, yeah, this is probably the closest that we get to business as usual, and even it's not business as usual, because, of course, it's setting up, you know, a whole thing with Marie and all sorts of stuff.

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So it looks like business as usual from the point of view of episode five, but it becomes a kind of tent pole for series three.

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But series 3, apart from that, is full of things.

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I tried to roll one last time, kind of unsuccessfully, but it's got the Trelane episode, Wedding Bell Blues.

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It's got a space adventure hour.

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I was just looking at the steels on Amazon Prime and I was going, why weren't we doing any of these?

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I mean, the one before this, it looks amazingly good.

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Incredible.

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Space Adventure Hour is their Holodeck episode, which is absolutely brilliant.

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The Salada, who ate its tail, is like a Kirk, incredible Kirk kind of Star Trek episode.

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What is Starfleet is where pretty little Beto Ortegas, Erica's little brother who's in this, finally produces his documentary about Starfleet, and we get to see that.

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4.5 Vulcans, which we saw the, which we saw the trailer of where 4 of them get injected with Vulcan DNA and become Vulcans.

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Terrarium, which we've seen, and then the finale, new life and new civilisation.

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So in a way, this is the closest that we get to just a kind of business's usual episode.

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This felt to me very like a very dreary Star Trek, the next generation episode.

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Because I'll tell you what, I'll tell you what I saw in this episode when I watched it, yeah?

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divorced of the relationship drama that's going on throughout season three.

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I saw everybody beam down to a very boring looking quarry, and then walk into a very boring looking and very underlit prison, right?

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Stand in there for 40 minutes talking about the prison and then walk out of the prison, back into the quarry and then beam back on.

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That was basically the events are played out.

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And then alongside that, I had a 2nd plot about a very sweet young man who's absolutely desperate to go down on the mission on a planet.

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Yeah, you tell me, he's been there since the beginning of the season.

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He's, um, Nurse Chapel's replacement while she's away at Space University or whatever she's doing, um, who, I just knew the 1st 2nd he opened his mouth, he was dead by the end of this episode because, so, so there was no suspense of any kind in that story.

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I was just waiting for the moment where someone pulled a gun out.

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I mean, who it was surprised me.

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But that was bad.

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And so, and even that storyline, I have seen far better alien possession storylines in Star Trek, far better acted, far better written, and certainly far better directed.

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Did you see Keiko in that episode of PS9?

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She was fucking amazing.

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So I had 2 storylines side by side, one which is just a very boring space problem down on the planet and another which was a very predictable position plot.

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And I was like, when is this ever going to take off this story?

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So I had a different experience watching it in context because I really, really liked Gamble.

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I thought he was adorable.

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Who's Gamble, the nurse, who is taken over by the fair star?

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You know, I'm bad with the names.

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So he had been in it for sort of 4 episodes and it's that thing which Star Trek Discovery and Stranger Worlds both do is like they have these sort of guest characters who come in for a bit and they're sort of join the regular cast and then they kind of leave or whatever.

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And there's 2 of them here.

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Well, I mean, there's Marie, isn't there?

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But there's also Beto and then there's Gamble.

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And it makes the show seem a bit bigger and it gives everything the sort of scale that the films have because things happen to them week to week that actually change the status quo, that there are relationships among the characters that are kind of going on and that are interesting.

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And so enough of that is going on to give the thing a shape and to make it feel like this group of people are going on adventures together and they know each other and stuff.

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Whereas, you know, original Star Trek, you tune in every week for an episode that is completely divorced from anything that went before or after, and it all is happening to the same 7 people all the time.

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And so I really like Gamble because I love that thing.

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That's one of the reasons why I like early Voyager.

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I think early Voyager does that as well.

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You know Star Trek, right?

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Like the 2nd this wreck shirt says he wants to go down on a planet and he can't wait.

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He is dead.

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He's dead.

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Except that he was a semi-regular character.

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So this is hem up mark two, right?

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Well, he died too.

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Yeah, yeah, he did.

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But I didn't know that this was Hammerbark too, until at this point, right?

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So I just thought he was the lovely kid.

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And then this horrible thing happens and I think that's really actually very horrible.

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And then I spent the rest of the episode going, please, please, they have to, this is awful.

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They have to, you know, they we can't have this.

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You know, and that awful scene where Joseph tells him that his brain is dead.

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And it's just like, oh, no, no, no, no, this can't be happening.

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This can't be happening.

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So I had a really strong, I had a really strong viscerally negative reaction to that plot, which is what I fell for it, essentially.

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And then when I watched it again in preparation for this, I thought, oh, shit, it's really obvious that he's about to die, isn't it?

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Like, you're right.

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I said, I bet Joe realises that he's going to die the 2nd that this episode starts.

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He probably advanced to get for coming.

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I can't wait to get down on that planet.

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Thank you so much for the opportunity.

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I was like, oh, God, dead.

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I completely fell for it the 1st time.

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And so there's that.

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There's the other thing too, for me, where all that early staff, you know, where about 11 minutes in before we get to the opening credits at all, and all of that stuff is introducing all of these characters and all of the ongoing plots, the Marie plot, the Spock, Christine, Roger Corby plot, which was sort of important in episode two, the Beto plot, all of those things are kind of going on.

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We're getting a little bit of kind of a love interest for Ahura in Beto.

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All of that stuff is like we are hanging out on the ship for a little while and seeing what everyone's up to before everything gets going and I do kind of like that.

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And then I'm just flawed by the visuals of it all.

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This is not extremely, yeah, yeah.

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I think the front of the temple looks amazing.

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I think it's a beautifully interesting design.

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I do think that that interior room is less interesting, but this wall.

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I could just see the wall everywhere they were.

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But at least the wall is doing things in the background to liven up what would have been just a fairly bad, you know, like if this had been, do you remember the underground temple that Hoshi and Trip went...

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Well, it was just a sort of piece of jabalai in the middle of stock case set, wasn't it?

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And so that was essentially what I was thinking of.

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When I saw that, I thought, that's not really quite as good as what we got in through the lens of time.

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So, like all of that was sort of, I thought that stuff was interesting.

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And frankly, there's an opening scene between Roger and Christine in a corridor outside of Sick Bay, where I thought, the corridor set here, I think makes this scene better than anything that I ever saw in Star Trek the Next Generation. really, the corridor.

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I mean, that's not different for me.

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That's not always here, let's be honest.

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Okay, so many things to say about what you just said there.

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Where do I start?

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You didn't need to worry about waiting 11 minutes for the story to start because the story never gets going in this.

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I mean, have you ever seen the X-Files episode redux?

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It's the Star series 5, right?

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And Moldron Scully basically just go around a load of boring, dark rooms with torches, spouting off exposition.

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I was getting huge reduct vibes in the middle, 30 minutes of this episode as these characters that I am so used to being written with charisma and wit, even in dire situations.

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We've watched dramatic episodes of Strange New Worlds where these characters are funny and vital and really enjoyable to watch.

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I was getting nothing in those scenes at all.

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Everyone's talking in a very flat, calm way.

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Everyone's talking about the space problem.

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It was so dull.

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I was just like, when is this going to start moving.

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I didn't recognise this.

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This was like TNG for me. like a bad TNG episode.

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I just didn't recognise this as the Strange New World that usually feels so effervescent.

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It was just weird.

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And as for the other plot, you're not going to like me for saying this, I didn't think it was nasty enough.

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I thought, I thought when he went back to the ship, and then they put those sort of weird um, melon bean style glasses on him, that's a niche reference for you.

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And he's trying to give a performance with those space specs on.

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And it was really tough for him to do that.

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So then they take them off and then I just don't think the makeup was up to the job because it just looks like someone's put a load of sort of bruising makeup on his eyes.

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Oh, I just felt like it should have been...

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They've used CGI to make them holes.

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I'm closer to the screen now, so I'll have a good look.

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I think they're very convincingly holes, and I couldn't bear, like, I just thought that was horrible.

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Like, I just, I found that unpleasant.

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Jeremy, I've got no I've got no emotional connection to this character.

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This is the 1st time I've ever seen him.

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Yeah, yeah.

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That's the pain, right?

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somebody is going to tune into this that hasn't seen the whole season.

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So, like, there is a danger.

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Like, you do kind of have to do a bit of that, you know.

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Not now. on streaming.

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Well, maybe that's the problem with their approach then.

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Why their numbers are so terrible.

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No, no, I mean, I don't know that their numbers are terrible, but it is the streaming approach is that you aren't expecting people to tune in for an episode because people are bought in or they are.

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That's how people watch TV now. that's why TV's made it the way it is.

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We've jumped into Cosman episodes like this before where I've had to catch up with where the characters are in certain moments.

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Yeah.

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And there's a weird, awkwardness between Nurse Chapel and La Arn in this episode because La Arn spending time.

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And that's not enjoyable to watch at all. said that the episode resolves it.

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That's what the episode is in part about is, you know, they're in that eccentric space in the temple.

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And of course, it's all resolved in that fantastic moment, I think, where they stand together and she holds her hand.

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Still didn't make the opening scenes of this episode fun to watch.

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I was just like, why have we even gone here?

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What's happening?

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And what, the result of it, the result of it is, I don't like Nurse Chappel.

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And I didn't like her in the singing episode where she was being a cunt, Spock.

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And I don't like her here where she's going, oh, you're spending an awful lot of time with Spock.

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No, you made your choices, love.

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All right?

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You made your choices.

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I think what's happening in that scene is that she's actually a bit relieved that Spock is with Lamar.

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Because she's worried.

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Oh, that was how I read it because she's worried that Spock, again, I think maybe in context is clearer. that she was worried that Spock would misbehave because of his jealousy towards Roger, which, of course, was the subject of episode two.

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The Trelean thing, which isn't sort of properly resolved. sort of amicable and stuff.

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And one of the things that I really liked, was Laan in that scene kind of going, we're all grown-ups just go and talk to him.

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Do you know what I mean?

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Which is something that people should say on television to each other far more often, I think.

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But it wasn't a resolution in terms of it felt like, I don't know, I didn't feel anything.

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I was just like, okay, fine.

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They resolved this weird awkwardness between them.

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But it was, it didn't feel like, I don't know, strangely, else is better at this.

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It is better at making me feel something.

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It's better at making me feel fun.

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It is better at presenting great visuals on the screen.

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I don't know.

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It just all felt a bit flat.

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Okay.

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Little bit similar to what happened, though, the last discovery that we watched as well.

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And I do think that you need to control for the fact that you haven't seen the surrounding episodes, I think.

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Well, that's the premise of this podcast, though, isn't it?

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Is that we're going in watching single episodes. that we normally have.

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We normally have.

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I don't have a bloody time to watch a whole season just in order to make one episode make sense.

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No, that's fair enough.

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I mean, I felt more for twisted than this.

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At least I felt anger about that, about how truly it all.

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I just sort of walked through the hour of this going, at some point this is going to take off and it kind of didn't.

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I think the high concept ones are easier to watch in isolation. what we have turned...

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I just had that on, floating through it in a princess dress.

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I would have been all over it.

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I started singing a song about all systems working and that would have been great.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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But I think what we've done is the 2 seasons I know little about, we somehow managed to roll.

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I think you're responsible both times as well.

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The very sort of TRAD Star Trek episodes that they do.

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It was the Discovery one in 5 and it was this episode in Strange New Worlds.

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And I think I've sort of come to the conclusion.

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I don't really want discovery or strange new worlds to do boring trad TNG episodes.

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I want them to just go wild and unique and imaginative and do their own thing.

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Yeah.

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There will be a puppet episode coming up.

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Oh, why didn't we roll that one?

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Well, it's not up yet.

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Maybe I'm being too mean.

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I think the only thing I really just can't bear is being bored.

206
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Make me hate it and make me love it.

207
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Just don't bore me, you know?

208
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And we've had episodes, haven't we?

209
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We've had plenty of TOS episodes where we've just been so bored all the way through.

210
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And you're right in a 10 episode season.

211
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I don't even know if there's a place for an episode like this really anymore.

212
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I feel like every episode should be impressing in one way or another.

213
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

214
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It is a little bit kind of standard.

215
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I mean, to me, I thought there's a kind of weird Indiana Jonesness to, you know, these sort of weird temply kind of ancient spaces and stuff, which Star Trek doesn't do all that often.

216
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There could have been a bit of energy though, right?

217
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Make that into Anna Jones.

218
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Make them swinging in on vines and things.

219
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Yeah, there's not any action or anything.

220
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Do you remember that sequence?

221
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We watched in discovery.

222
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I can't remember what episode it was now.

223
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It was a season opener, and it was Burnham and book, and they was flying around on a spaceship on this insane planet.

224
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It went on for about 10 minutes.

225
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Do you remember?

226
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And there was glowing trees and creatures coming after them and also?

227
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That's what I'm used to.

228
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God, it was.

229
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That's amazing it was.

230
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Yeah, yeah.

231
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Brilliant.

232
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I was like, well, I mean, it does look more impressive than TNG, but aside from that, this could be TNG, you know?

233
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Well, everyone's prettier though.

234
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There is that.

235
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That is a definite bonus.

236
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

237
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That's why I didn't like him putting the glasses on because he was very pretty.

238
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The fella, though.

239
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Yeah.

240
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Sorry, sad.

241
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All right, okay.

242
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You should go in.

243
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I'm sorry.

244
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I really want to like Kurtzman trick.

245
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Well, stop choosing these duds for me, all right?

246
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All right.

247
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Next time I'll keep rolling until we get space adventure hour.

248
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Whatever the one is where they were already dressed up like gangsters.

249
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Can we watch that one next, please?

250
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episodes.

251
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That's bloody amazing.

252
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To be fair, I mean, those gone episodes this year, we're just out of this world.

253
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Remember when there was all inside the larder in episode one?

254
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And then, of course, the lovely gaunt lady in the last one saying, affirmative.

255
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Oh, good.

256
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Negative.

257
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I know there's great stuff here.

258
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So maybe one always just falls to the wayside a bit.

259
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Maybe that's it.

260
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Maybe that's it.

261
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All right.

262
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I will count in. 543, two, one, and we are off.

263
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I dent.

264
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Hi, Jen.

265
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Okay, cool.

266
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Excellent.

267
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Oh, so there are 26 episodes of Kurtzman Trek left.

268
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That makes me sad.

269
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I want them to make something sad.

270
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There's no Doctor Who and there's no Star Trek being made. made at the moment.

271
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That hasn't happened since the 60s.

272
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Well, they used to alternate.

273
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I mean, it's very, it's a thing.

274
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So I did watch Roger Corby in what were little girls made of?

275
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What are little girls made of?

276
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Oh, I said that already, and it's terrible.

277
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It is really just not very good.

278
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What it about?

279
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He's a robot.

280
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So it's many years later and Christine hasn't seen him for years and he's underground on a planet, he's gone missing and he's terribly famous and then the guy who, um, the very tall.

281
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Oh, no, this is I'll tell you what, I love ortakers his hair for this season.

282
00:19:54.839 --> 00:19:56.700
They're all shaved up sides.

283
00:19:56.759 --> 00:19:57.720
Exactly in it.

284
00:19:57.779 --> 00:20:00.720
She said, well, it's always shaved up the sides, but it's a bit flatter, I think.

285
00:20:00.839 --> 00:20:01.740
Yeah, it looks great.

286
00:20:02.400 --> 00:20:03.059
Oh, here he is.

287
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What's the man's name?

288
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Just so I get it right.

289
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Gamble.

290
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Gamble.

291
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Gamble.

292
00:20:07.799 --> 00:20:08.819
Oh, he took a gamble.

293
00:20:08.880 --> 00:20:09.900
Gam boy Nest, didn't he?

294
00:20:09.960 --> 00:20:12.059
Oh, he's so cute.

295
00:20:12.119 --> 00:20:13.259
God, he's gorgeous.

296
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Jesus Christ.

297
00:20:14.519 --> 00:20:17.759
I was getting Vinder vibes from the Doctor Who flux season, you know?

298
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The fabulous dreadlocks cut the eyes.

299
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Jacob Anderson.

300
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Yeah.

301
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I wouldn't have objected to him being in this iPad.

302
00:20:24.240 --> 00:20:25.500
Oh, I love Mabenga.

303
00:20:25.559 --> 00:20:26.759
Yeah.

304
00:20:26.819 --> 00:20:28.859
And see, that was it as well.

305
00:20:28.920 --> 00:20:33.539
You know, like he, well, there's a line here where, where he says, you know, it's no secret.

306
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I was fond of the boy or whatever.

307
00:20:34.980 --> 00:20:42.000
And like, but that's not just, you know, that's something that we have seen over these few episodes.

308
00:20:42.059 --> 00:20:44.819
And so, like I said before, this is the hammer thing.

309
00:20:44.880 --> 00:20:50.759
You know, like they make us think he's a new semi-regular and then they have a big episode where they kill him off.

310
00:20:50.819 --> 00:20:57.059
And obviously his death, like Hemmer's death is like unbelievable and I still haven't recovered from it.

311
00:20:57.119 --> 00:20:59.039
Whereas this one's kind of unpleasant.

312
00:20:59.099 --> 00:21:02.880
And of course, the actor will be back for the finale.

313
00:21:03.000 --> 00:21:06.539
It might have been the trouble for me, and I'll take a good look when I get there.

314
00:21:06.599 --> 00:21:12.900
Like, I think the actor that plays my Bengas, understatedness, it is a massive strength to his performance.

315
00:21:12.960 --> 00:21:20.700
But when you need a big emotional moment to hear, yeah, it worked in that one with the little girl, the, was that the Serene Squall?

316
00:21:20.759 --> 00:21:21.900
No what was it called?

317
00:21:21.960 --> 00:21:22.740
No, no.

318
00:21:22.740 --> 00:21:25.259
You know, the one with the one that was his kid.

319
00:21:25.319 --> 00:21:29.099
That was there because that was a father-daughter scene.

320
00:21:29.160 --> 00:21:33.240
Whereas here, it was so understated at the end, I was like, does he care?

321
00:21:33.720 --> 00:21:35.579
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

322
00:21:35.700 --> 00:21:38.279
I do like his like his very low level thing.

323
00:21:38.339 --> 00:21:40.619
So, yeah, it's this corridor.

324
00:21:40.680 --> 00:21:41.640
Look at this corridor.

325
00:21:41.700 --> 00:21:42.420
Can you believe that?

326
00:21:42.480 --> 00:21:44.460
What a lovely corridor.

327
00:21:44.519 --> 00:21:46.019
That's the nicest thing I'll say.

328
00:21:46.079 --> 00:21:47.640
It's beautiful.

329
00:21:47.700 --> 00:21:49.019
It's so shiny.

330
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Shiny surfaces.

331
00:21:50.220 --> 00:21:53.759
All those things I like about Star Trek are here. right.

332
00:21:53.819 --> 00:21:55.259
It's just man Irish.

333
00:21:55.319 --> 00:22:02.160
Yes, but not in the, not in um, weirdly not in original trek.

334
00:22:02.220 --> 00:22:09.960
Well, obviously... about how, you know, accents can drift when you move away from your homeland, you know?

335
00:22:10.019 --> 00:22:11.160
So maybe that's what happened with him.

336
00:22:11.220 --> 00:22:12.839
Oh, maybe that's it.

337
00:22:12.900 --> 00:22:14.519
But when you become a robot, maybe.

338
00:22:14.579 --> 00:22:16.920
Maybe it's the robot thing.

339
00:22:16.980 --> 00:22:17.880
Maybe it's the robot.

340
00:22:17.940 --> 00:22:19.980
He didn't have an Irish voice modulator.

341
00:22:20.039 --> 00:22:21.660
That filter was on.

342
00:22:21.720 --> 00:22:23.279
Put the English filter on quick.

343
00:22:23.339 --> 00:22:31.680
Although Christine does recognise his voice immediately over the over the communicator in original track.

344
00:22:31.799 --> 00:22:41.339
Nathan, I have to tell you this, but I've sort of just been wiggling my mouse over the screen, yeah, and you get a picture of IMDb pictures for all the actors, right?

345
00:22:41.400 --> 00:22:42.599
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

346
00:22:42.660 --> 00:22:43.440
Jess Bush.

347
00:22:43.500 --> 00:22:47.400
I mean, in that picture, she looks like sex on legs.

348
00:22:47.460 --> 00:22:50.400
Have you got, she's an alien, you know?

349
00:22:50.460 --> 00:22:51.480
She's Australian.

350
00:22:51.539 --> 00:22:54.420
Honestly, Christina, some episodes of home and away.

351
00:22:54.480 --> 00:22:57.299
Christina Chong's in a beautiful red dress on earth.

352
00:22:57.960 --> 00:23:02.099
It's not the one. the beautiful red dress from the Elysian kingdom, though.

353
00:23:02.160 --> 00:23:03.660
Well, no, no.

354
00:23:03.720 --> 00:23:08.339
She's not got a tiara and a bloody magic wand. a cavoodle.

355
00:23:11.400 --> 00:23:21.000
You see, I actually quite like this because these are 2 women. and unfortunately, it fails the Bechdale test because we basically talk about Spock. and so absolutely signally fails the Bechdale test.

356
00:23:21.059 --> 00:23:23.759
They must ace that quite a bit on this show.

357
00:23:23.819 --> 00:23:25.619
There are so many women on this show.

358
00:23:25.680 --> 00:23:26.339
Yes, they do.

359
00:23:26.400 --> 00:23:28.440
But this isn't one of those scenes.

360
00:23:28.500 --> 00:23:34.319
But I did think that that was agreeable and I do like her saying, well, to God's take on talk to him like a journal.

361
00:23:34.380 --> 00:23:36.480
He's how Jess is playing chapel.

362
00:23:36.539 --> 00:23:39.180
I was just like, what are you thinking in this moment?

363
00:23:39.240 --> 00:23:42.420
Yeah, yeah. because I think she's relieved.

364
00:23:42.480 --> 00:23:48.720
I think that she's actually happy that Spark's getting his end away because she feels less bad, obviously about dumping him.

365
00:23:48.779 --> 00:23:53.819
And also, you know, they did have that big thing in episode two, which is also pretty great.

366
00:23:53.880 --> 00:23:55.559
You know what it is right, right?

367
00:23:55.619 --> 00:24:01.079
Not just his infectious enthusiasm that puts a target on this kid's back.

368
00:24:01.140 --> 00:24:08.460
They've sort of squeezed him into this very tight uniform where he looks just like a little kid going to school on the 1st light.

369
00:24:08.519 --> 00:24:11.819
Everything about him just screams, you are dead.

370
00:24:11.880 --> 00:24:13.859
I know, I know.

371
00:24:13.920 --> 00:24:15.240
I can't believe I fell for it.

372
00:24:15.299 --> 00:24:18.480
It was literally, I've watched it twice in the lead up to this.

373
00:24:18.539 --> 00:24:22.680
And like the 1st time I watched it was just like, yep, that was how I felt about it last time.

374
00:24:22.740 --> 00:24:24.059
Oh, see that hug as well.

375
00:24:24.119 --> 00:24:24.660
Oh my god.

376
00:24:24.779 --> 00:24:27.960
He goes and then he goes, oh, he's almost crying out.

377
00:24:28.079 --> 00:24:29.400
Oh, dead, dead.

378
00:24:29.519 --> 00:24:31.079
Yeah, yeah.

379
00:24:31.140 --> 00:24:33.539
But this time I thought, 0 my god, he's so dead.

380
00:24:33.599 --> 00:24:34.619
How did that happen?

381
00:24:34.680 --> 00:24:36.299
I don't remember feeling like that.

382
00:24:36.480 --> 00:24:39.900
I think my mango should have gone. are you sure?

383
00:24:39.960 --> 00:24:43.680
Like anyone who tends to go this enthusiastically down to the planet.

384
00:24:43.680 --> 00:24:44.700
Yeah, it does tend to die.

385
00:24:44.759 --> 00:24:47.039
Look at this tracking shot down the corridor, look.

386
00:24:48.000 --> 00:24:52.859
Unfortunately, I can't look at the corridor because the man's walking down it and he's so pretty.

387
00:24:56.160 --> 00:25:01.980
Oh, now, say no, we're having a bit of awkwardness now here between Spock and Nurse Chapel.

388
00:25:02.039 --> 00:25:03.359
Yes, we are.

389
00:25:03.420 --> 00:25:04.079
We are.

390
00:25:04.140 --> 00:25:09.000
We may have had a romance once, but you decided to go to Space University, so that's that over.

391
00:25:09.119 --> 00:25:14.039
No, no, she went off with Roger Corby to do archeology, space archeology.

392
00:25:14.099 --> 00:25:17.759
That's why they're together. what they were singing about in subspace Rhapsody.

393
00:25:17.819 --> 00:25:18.779
That's right.

394
00:25:18.839 --> 00:25:19.440
That's right.

395
00:25:19.500 --> 00:25:21.240
So this is all the way back to there.

396
00:25:21.299 --> 00:25:25.380
No, because we had 3 months over the interseason break.

397
00:25:25.440 --> 00:25:26.460
Oh, see.

398
00:25:26.519 --> 00:25:27.180
All right.

399
00:25:27.180 --> 00:25:28.740
Oh, whatever, in-store explanation.

400
00:25:28.799 --> 00:25:37.920
Yeah, 3 months between, it's 3 months. gamble's been there for 3 months when we 1st meet him and so everyone knows him and that's in episode two.

401
00:25:37.980 --> 00:25:43.740
So, obviously, hedgeman, he finishes the hedgeman story, then episode 2 is the wedding episode.

402
00:25:43.799 --> 00:25:46.920
It's when Celia Gooden Jr.'s hair suddenly gets Bauer.

403
00:25:46.980 --> 00:25:48.119
It gets better.

404
00:25:48.180 --> 00:25:51.299
And she meets Beto and starts flirting with him as well.

405
00:25:51.359 --> 00:25:52.680
I just think is terribly cute.

406
00:25:52.740 --> 00:26:00.779
It's funny, you know, Nathan, when they have these free month gaps between season, nothing happens on the enterprise in those free months, because everyone's exactly where we left them.

407
00:26:00.839 --> 00:26:02.099
Do you know what?

408
00:26:02.160 --> 00:26:12.960
The one time that that doesn't happen in Star Trek, the Next Generation is one of my favourite moments in Star Trek, the next generation, at the beginning of season two, in the child, where we go, everything's changed.

409
00:26:13.019 --> 00:26:14.940
Oh, he's Pulaski.

410
00:26:15.000 --> 00:26:15.660
Here's the thing.

411
00:26:15.720 --> 00:26:16.859
And you kind of think, wow.

412
00:26:16.920 --> 00:26:21.420
And now we've got big new sets and like it just all feels a bit bigger and a bit more like a film.

413
00:26:21.480 --> 00:26:26.099
Well, generally speaking, the 2 part then does just lead into the next episode, doesn't it?

414
00:26:26.160 --> 00:26:28.440
They needed the free month gap to explain the hair.

415
00:26:28.799 --> 00:26:35.039
Well, yeah, they didn't because they just put a stupid wig on her for...

416
00:26:35.519 --> 00:26:39.660
Enormous head that she had.

417
00:26:39.720 --> 00:26:43.619
Only Dax's hair has ever covers high up the head.

418
00:26:44.220 --> 00:26:51.539
So there's another ongoing plot too, which is that Pelia wants to be in Beddo's documentary.

419
00:26:51.539 --> 00:26:54.420
Yeah, that was the best gag of the whole thing, man.

420
00:26:54.480 --> 00:26:57.240
So, I do want to know, again for the Cameron?

421
00:26:57.299 --> 00:26:58.680
He goes, yeah, no, I'm right.

422
00:26:58.740 --> 00:27:00.240
Which I just thought was great.

423
00:27:00.299 --> 00:27:01.680
But she does it here too.

424
00:27:01.740 --> 00:27:09.119
Yeah, look, there we see that like we see the cameras eye view and she's going, oh, you know, if you want to see anything in engineering and stuff.

425
00:27:09.180 --> 00:27:12.960
So yeah, like, uh, that's adorable.

426
00:27:13.079 --> 00:27:17.220
When we actually see the documentary, she's not in it at all.

427
00:27:18.539 --> 00:27:21.480
She's not even in a frame of it.

428
00:27:21.480 --> 00:27:23.460
And no one comments on it.

429
00:27:23.519 --> 00:27:25.500
And it's clearly a deliberate gap.

430
00:27:25.559 --> 00:27:26.339
Does she do it?

431
00:27:26.400 --> 00:27:27.660
Does she say anything?

432
00:27:27.720 --> 00:27:32.880
No, no, because she's not in it. the documentary, the document, the episode is the documentary.

433
00:27:32.940 --> 00:27:34.319
Oh, okay.

434
00:27:34.319 --> 00:27:36.480
Yeah, it doesn't have any credit. anything like that.

435
00:27:36.539 --> 00:27:38.099
Did it take you for the whole season then?

436
00:27:38.160 --> 00:27:42.240
Well, it does and other stuff, but it talks about the thing.

437
00:27:42.299 --> 00:27:46.859
But it talks about his feeling about what Starfleeties and the change and stuff.

438
00:27:46.920 --> 00:27:52.799
See, I, so, so, um, we...

439
00:27:53.339 --> 00:27:54.359
Oh, now look at that.

440
00:27:54.420 --> 00:27:56.400
That could be the planet Xarius, couldn't it?

441
00:27:56.460 --> 00:28:02.819
Well, I think it looks like the planet from, what was it called?

442
00:28:02.880 --> 00:28:11.160
Um, if memory serves or something, the season 2 Discovery episode. butterflies going around the place.

443
00:28:11.220 --> 00:28:12.900
But it was essentially a big quarry.

444
00:28:12.960 --> 00:28:13.859
Do you know what it looks like?

445
00:28:13.920 --> 00:28:16.079
I've just watched the Doctor Who story, The Mutants.

446
00:28:16.140 --> 00:28:18.180
It looks very like a quarry from that.

447
00:28:18.240 --> 00:28:27.000
But what it does that those don't do is just because it's widescreen and because, you know, we've got a huger area that we have clear.

448
00:28:27.119 --> 00:28:28.200
Do you know what I mean?

449
00:28:28.319 --> 00:28:29.880
Like it just seems bigger.

450
00:28:29.940 --> 00:28:37.079
Like it seems bigger than the quarries did in original trek or in Doctor Who, just the scale of the location.

451
00:28:37.140 --> 00:28:39.299
It's very gray, though, like those.

452
00:28:39.359 --> 00:28:39.779
It is very great.

453
00:28:40.200 --> 00:28:41.819
I think that alien looks great.

454
00:28:41.880 --> 00:28:44.220
Well, he's quite gray as well.

455
00:28:44.279 --> 00:28:45.779
It's all very gray.

456
00:28:45.839 --> 00:28:46.319
Charles.

457
00:28:46.380 --> 00:28:47.579
No, he's blue, really.

458
00:28:47.640 --> 00:28:50.700
I'm not seeing a lot of, even their clothes are matts.

459
00:28:50.759 --> 00:28:53.400
Like nobody's got any colour on the screen at all.

460
00:28:53.880 --> 00:29:09.660
I was thinking too, that like there is a sort of weird thing about how they, when they go down, they put them in sort of space outfits that hide how technicolour their their costumes are, and they've done that right since series one.

461
00:29:09.720 --> 00:29:11.039
Why would you do that?

462
00:29:11.039 --> 00:29:11.579
That's a mistake.

463
00:29:11.640 --> 00:29:13.380
We love their technicolic cost.

464
00:29:13.440 --> 00:29:15.359
Just one of the things we love about 60s straight, right?

465
00:29:15.420 --> 00:29:15.839
Is it?

466
00:29:15.900 --> 00:29:16.980
Everybody's...

467
00:29:17.039 --> 00:29:20.039
That's right what's the word we use?

468
00:29:20.099 --> 00:29:20.640
It pops.

469
00:29:20.700 --> 00:29:22.079
The colours pop.

470
00:29:22.559 --> 00:29:23.400
Yeah.

471
00:29:23.460 --> 00:29:24.299
Oh, he's so pretty.

472
00:29:24.359 --> 00:29:25.559
Who's this boy?

473
00:29:25.619 --> 00:29:27.359
Beto. yeah.

474
00:29:27.420 --> 00:29:29.220
That's Ortegas's brother.

475
00:29:30.119 --> 00:29:31.680
Okay.

476
00:29:31.740 --> 00:29:33.839
Well, the looks are in the family then, aren't they?

477
00:29:33.900 --> 00:29:34.980
Yeah, good genius.

478
00:29:34.980 --> 00:29:37.079
We made at the wedding.

479
00:29:37.140 --> 00:29:38.940
We made at the wedding.

480
00:29:39.000 --> 00:29:40.200
Nathan.

481
00:29:40.259 --> 00:29:41.940
You can't be joking about it.

482
00:29:42.000 --> 00:29:44.579
Was she hiding all of that hair underneath that cap?

483
00:29:44.640 --> 00:29:46.559
If that's the case, they did a really good job.

484
00:29:46.619 --> 00:29:48.000
They did a pretty good job.

485
00:29:48.059 --> 00:29:50.220
You got a lot of hair.

486
00:29:50.279 --> 00:29:51.779
So much air.

487
00:29:51.839 --> 00:29:54.660
I love that shot of the Enterprise up in the air too.

488
00:29:54.720 --> 00:29:57.480
And then I think this, like the temple...

489
00:29:57.480 --> 00:29:58.259
Cylons are set.

490
00:29:58.319 --> 00:29:58.920
You're right.

491
00:29:58.980 --> 00:30:00.480
This is just like power play.

492
00:30:00.539 --> 00:30:02.819
It's 3 themes doing a light.

493
00:30:03.599 --> 00:30:04.680
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

494
00:30:04.740 --> 00:30:05.279
Absolutely.

495
00:30:05.339 --> 00:30:06.059
What was that?

496
00:30:06.180 --> 00:30:08.640
That was the pattern enhances, though, wasn't it?

497
00:30:08.759 --> 00:30:10.619
Pat and hot.

498
00:30:10.680 --> 00:30:12.660
Yeah, just the things they stab in the ground.

499
00:30:12.720 --> 00:30:12.960
Yeah.

500
00:30:13.019 --> 00:30:15.839
Because they're constantly trying to get them inside them in 10 forward, aren't they?

501
00:30:16.200 --> 00:30:19.019
Yeah, he's the opening credits.

502
00:30:19.079 --> 00:30:21.779
That man's body language there, the guy that dies.

503
00:30:21.839 --> 00:30:24.240
I mean, he couldn't look more green, could he?

504
00:30:25.200 --> 00:30:28.079
He sort of holding himself like a doll.

505
00:30:28.140 --> 00:30:29.460
Yeah, yeah.

506
00:30:29.519 --> 00:30:31.559
Oh, this is my favourite bit of the whole episode.

507
00:30:31.619 --> 00:30:34.559
Dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun.

508
00:30:36.839 --> 00:30:38.759
Oh, stunning.

509
00:30:39.059 --> 00:30:44.700
I got a little bit misty when I 1st saw it because I just thought it was so beautiful.

510
00:30:45.359 --> 00:30:47.339
Who's Babs?

511
00:30:47.400 --> 00:30:49.799
Oh, that's uh, that's sort of anger.

512
00:30:49.859 --> 00:30:51.900
Ah, okay.

513
00:30:51.960 --> 00:30:54.119
I think, um, you know what?

514
00:30:54.180 --> 00:30:57.660
I'm sort of re-categorizing my favourites in this now.

515
00:30:57.720 --> 00:31:02.160
I think Pellia is my all-time favourite now.

516
00:31:02.220 --> 00:31:04.140
Just because she's so funny.

517
00:31:04.200 --> 00:31:10.140
Like in this utterly funless episode, she's the one person that gave me 2 gags.

518
00:31:10.200 --> 00:31:11.460
I was very happy about that.

519
00:31:11.519 --> 00:31:14.279
Well, we've had one already and then we have the one at the end.

520
00:31:14.339 --> 00:31:15.779
Is there another one?

521
00:31:15.900 --> 00:31:16.920
Did she do another one?

522
00:31:17.519 --> 00:31:18.660
We'll keep an eye out for it.

523
00:31:18.720 --> 00:31:19.319
Okay.

524
00:31:19.380 --> 00:31:22.140
Oh, look at these stunning landscapes.

525
00:31:22.200 --> 00:31:24.539
Why didn't we go to any of these places this week?

526
00:31:25.559 --> 00:31:29.940
It always looks slightly more interesting than the actual episode.

527
00:31:30.000 --> 00:31:31.140
I mean, what's this?

528
00:31:31.200 --> 00:31:33.299
The volcano planets.

529
00:31:33.359 --> 00:31:35.099
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

530
00:31:35.160 --> 00:31:36.599
Ice glaciers.

531
00:31:36.720 --> 00:31:37.440
Oh boy.

532
00:31:38.339 --> 00:31:40.259
And they change it every year.

533
00:31:40.259 --> 00:31:40.980
Indeed.

534
00:31:41.099 --> 00:31:41.880
They do change it every year.

535
00:31:41.940 --> 00:31:44.819
Wow, look at that. inside that globe.

536
00:31:44.880 --> 00:31:47.039
Yes, they start.

537
00:31:47.099 --> 00:31:49.859
That's the sabe that Bob April's in.

538
00:31:49.920 --> 00:31:50.460
We've seen it.

539
00:31:50.519 --> 00:31:51.779
It has been in that middle.

540
00:31:51.839 --> 00:31:53.819
Would you fancy a holiday with me to Starbase one?

541
00:31:53.880 --> 00:31:55.740
I would love to go to Starbase one.

542
00:31:55.859 --> 00:32:02.279
We'll go and get those flying moon boots that he had in Star Trek 5 and walk climb those mountains, right?

543
00:32:02.940 --> 00:32:05.819
sing around the fireplace. wonderful.

544
00:32:07.619 --> 00:32:10.319
That's right Okay, right.

545
00:32:10.380 --> 00:32:11.700
Is this story going to start now?

546
00:32:12.000 --> 00:32:13.559
Not really.

547
00:32:13.619 --> 00:32:20.519
Is this really does look very, very, very, very much like if memory serves. such a beautiful shot.

548
00:32:20.579 --> 00:32:24.839
See, that's beautiful, but again, I just want to, they're using a filter here, aren't they?

549
00:32:24.900 --> 00:32:26.400
It is...

550
00:32:26.400 --> 00:32:28.440
I don't know how they're doing it, actually.

551
00:32:28.500 --> 00:32:29.759
I don't know how they're doing it.

552
00:32:29.819 --> 00:32:33.299
Like, it looks... look at the uniforms.

553
00:32:33.359 --> 00:32:36.779
The uniforms look darker than they do up on the ship when they're really bright.

554
00:32:36.960 --> 00:32:46.440
So the aliens are called the macroons, and I just think that it's such a perfect TOS era alien name, don't you think?

555
00:32:46.500 --> 00:32:47.460
got an apostrophe.

556
00:32:47.519 --> 00:32:49.200
It's got apostrophe.

557
00:32:49.259 --> 00:32:53.279
Oh, my God, I burst into song at any minute than the crew.

558
00:32:53.339 --> 00:32:56.160
Oh, they taste lovely or made out of old.

559
00:32:56.220 --> 00:32:57.660
I hate macaroons.

560
00:32:57.720 --> 00:32:58.980
You're joking.

561
00:32:59.039 --> 00:33:01.380
Oh, I had a macaron taro on my wedding.

562
00:33:01.500 --> 00:33:02.759
They're the shittiest biscuit.

563
00:33:04.440 --> 00:33:06.720
It's a digestive.

564
00:33:06.779 --> 00:33:08.339
Oh no, I quite like a digestive, actually.

565
00:33:08.400 --> 00:33:09.119
What am I thinking?

566
00:33:09.180 --> 00:33:09.660
A rich team.

567
00:33:09.660 --> 00:33:10.740
They're very boring.

568
00:33:10.799 --> 00:33:11.940
Oh my god.

569
00:33:12.000 --> 00:33:13.319
Okay.

570
00:33:13.380 --> 00:33:20.460
Look, don't you think that the doorway looks very like the Pandorica from series 5 of Dr. Who?

571
00:33:20.519 --> 00:33:21.960
Yeah, it does a bit, doesn't it?

572
00:33:22.019 --> 00:33:26.579
So I can see what you're saying there that they're going for this sort of Indiana Jones going to explore somewhere.

573
00:33:26.640 --> 00:33:36.900
And there's something vaguely, there's something vaguely kind of Japanese about it with that black wood and all of that sort of thing and everything being very geometrical, you know, inside.

574
00:33:36.960 --> 00:33:38.819
I do think that there's something strange.

575
00:33:38.880 --> 00:33:46.380
Like, you ordinarily would just go for big, you know, crappy wooden stone blocks.

576
00:33:46.440 --> 00:33:47.039
Yeah?

577
00:33:47.160 --> 00:33:48.660
And this doesn't do that.

578
00:33:48.720 --> 00:33:53.819
And there is something, like, I think, because, you know, last week, it was a holodeck episode.

579
00:33:53.880 --> 00:33:56.759
And again, you kind of think, well, we've had a lot of holodeck episodes.

580
00:33:56.819 --> 00:33:59.099
Why are we doing another holiday episode?

581
00:33:59.099 --> 00:34:04.319
And then you kind of think, well, no, let's see what this production crew does with a holodeck episode.

582
00:34:04.380 --> 00:34:08.460
Let's look at what a holodeck episode looks like when it's made in 2025.

583
00:34:09.239 --> 00:34:13.019
When the distance on the dust sails on Strange New Worlds.

584
00:34:13.079 --> 00:34:15.659
It's not episodes like this that anyone is going to remember.

585
00:34:15.719 --> 00:34:20.639
No, no, I don't think it's a big high concept once for people to go, do you remember when they did gangsters?

586
00:34:20.699 --> 00:34:27.719
But I still think that it's like, well, what does what does PowerPlay look like made in 2025?

587
00:34:27.780 --> 00:34:29.039
Do you know what I mean?

588
00:34:29.099 --> 00:34:30.119
And I think that's worth doing.

589
00:34:30.179 --> 00:34:31.380
I think it looks good.

590
00:34:31.440 --> 00:34:35.340
Oh, no, it looks good, but it's...

591
00:34:35.400 --> 00:34:37.500
This is far duller than power player.

592
00:34:37.559 --> 00:34:38.760
We thought that was a bit dull.

593
00:34:38.820 --> 00:34:41.699
Oh, no, I think PowerPie is much worse than I remember.

594
00:34:41.760 --> 00:34:43.920
Oh, it's...

595
00:34:43.980 --> 00:34:45.360
Yeah, you've got meringue.

596
00:34:45.360 --> 00:34:46.440
Get down on the floor.

597
00:34:46.500 --> 00:34:49.860
That's true, but that's not perhaps quite enough, I think.

598
00:34:49.920 --> 00:34:55.679
Actually, it's just I said to you, I just think this is about 15 minutes too long.

599
00:34:55.739 --> 00:35:04.619
I don't think there's enough story to feel 55 minutes here. exemplified by the fact that we had 11 minutes of character work at the start.

600
00:35:04.679 --> 00:35:07.260
Yeah, yeah, but I think that's a...

601
00:35:07.320 --> 00:35:12.659
Even then, the mystery down, it just wasn't moving at any kind of, it was glacial.

602
00:35:12.719 --> 00:35:21.119
These scenes when they're inside now, and they reach conclusions 40 minutes in, that TNG episode would reach 20 minutes in.

603
00:35:21.239 --> 00:35:27.840
Oh, no, no, but the conclusion that this is a prison needs to come late in the episode because that's the big discovery.

604
00:35:28.380 --> 00:35:29.039
If it was 40 minutes.

605
00:35:30.059 --> 00:35:31.619
Yeah, but yeah, yeah.

606
00:35:31.679 --> 00:35:36.539
But yeah, no, but it's, it's, so it needs to come late because that's the big reveal.

607
00:35:36.599 --> 00:35:39.539
We're revealing the big villains for the finale. you know what I mean?

608
00:35:39.599 --> 00:35:40.920
And possibly further on.

609
00:35:40.980 --> 00:35:43.139
But you see what I mean here?

610
00:35:43.199 --> 00:35:47.820
They've gone in from that gray quarry now into a very dark space with no colour in it.

611
00:35:47.880 --> 00:35:49.739
There's just nothing to impress my eyes.

612
00:35:49.800 --> 00:35:51.300
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

613
00:35:51.360 --> 00:35:54.480
Yeah, it is a bit constrained, but wait until they turn the wall on, though.

614
00:35:54.539 --> 00:35:56.039
There's pretty things.

615
00:35:56.099 --> 00:35:58.679
I want to talk to you about that because why is it?

616
00:35:58.739 --> 00:36:00.539
Yeah, you say you can always see the wall.

617
00:36:00.599 --> 00:36:10.500
Whereas for me, sometimes I can't, and sometimes I can, and here I could, and but sometimes in Strange New Wales, I'm totally convinced that they're on an Indian planet.

618
00:36:10.559 --> 00:36:15.420
I think that your immunity wears off at a particular and then that's it.

619
00:36:15.480 --> 00:36:16.199
You can never see it again.

620
00:36:16.260 --> 00:36:28.860
Although I still, I still can't always tell where the, um, I still can't tell where the um, engineering room ends and the, and the wall begins.

621
00:36:28.920 --> 00:36:29.519
Look at this.

622
00:36:29.579 --> 00:36:31.139
Oh, I forgot his name again.

623
00:36:31.199 --> 00:36:31.800
Will you help me?

624
00:36:31.860 --> 00:36:32.400
Gamble.

625
00:36:32.460 --> 00:36:33.360
Gamble.

626
00:36:33.420 --> 00:36:35.639
For God's sakes, that's such a memorable name.

627
00:36:35.699 --> 00:36:36.780
Why am I forgetting that?

628
00:36:36.840 --> 00:36:39.179
Did you see him when he saw the corpse?

629
00:36:39.239 --> 00:36:40.320
sort of bug eyes.

630
00:36:40.380 --> 00:36:41.820
Oh my god, a body.

631
00:36:41.880 --> 00:36:44.039
Yeah, yeah.

632
00:36:44.039 --> 00:36:45.420
You are dead, mate.

633
00:36:45.480 --> 00:36:45.900
All right.

634
00:36:47.280 --> 00:36:48.960
Do you know what?

635
00:36:49.199 --> 00:36:52.139
Celia Gooding Jr.

636
00:36:52.199 --> 00:36:53.820
Isn't she absolutely beautiful?

637
00:36:53.880 --> 00:36:55.079
She's stunning.

638
00:36:55.139 --> 00:36:56.039
Oh, great.

639
00:36:56.039 --> 00:36:58.320
I just think she's a junior fan.

640
00:36:58.380 --> 00:37:05.159
Should not worry about these boring CGI effects. just linger on all the women all the time because they're so pretty.

641
00:37:05.280 --> 00:37:06.539
Or Ethan.

642
00:37:06.659 --> 00:37:08.699
Never mind, Ethan.

643
00:37:08.760 --> 00:37:09.599
Celia Gooden.

644
00:37:09.659 --> 00:37:12.360
Or pretty little Chris, so whatever his name is.

645
00:37:12.420 --> 00:37:13.199
What's his name?

646
00:37:13.260 --> 00:37:13.800
Chris.

647
00:37:13.860 --> 00:37:15.960
So I started following him on Instagram.

648
00:37:16.019 --> 00:37:18.539
He just did his 1st Doctor Who.

649
00:37:18.599 --> 00:37:21.840
He just did his 1st Star Trek convention.

650
00:37:21.900 --> 00:37:22.920
Oh, that's great.

651
00:37:22.980 --> 00:37:24.119
Oh, I hope he's adorable.

652
00:37:24.179 --> 00:37:24.719
Exception.

653
00:37:24.780 --> 00:37:30.960
I forgot a feeding, the Star Trek fans, you know, these things are much nicer than the Doctor Who fans are at these things.

654
00:37:31.019 --> 00:37:31.739
That's possible.

655
00:37:31.800 --> 00:37:32.880
Yeah, that is possible.

656
00:37:32.940 --> 00:37:36.179
They're sort of raised high as real celebrities, you know?

657
00:37:36.239 --> 00:37:37.440
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

658
00:37:37.500 --> 00:37:40.019
And like he's done what, 5 episodes of Star Trek.

659
00:37:40.079 --> 00:37:40.860
Do you know what I mean?

660
00:37:40.920 --> 00:37:42.539
Like, but that's a lot.

661
00:37:42.539 --> 00:37:43.920
That's half a season.

662
00:37:43.980 --> 00:37:47.039
He's in half the episodes of season three.

663
00:37:47.099 --> 00:37:53.880
This guy, this guy's makeup looks so good. a sort of logic puzzle that looks a bit like his face once, you know?

664
00:37:53.940 --> 00:37:56.039
It's sort of porcelain or something.

665
00:37:56.099 --> 00:37:57.000
Do you know what I mean?

666
00:37:57.059 --> 00:37:58.380
Like a sort of deco.

667
00:37:59.460 --> 00:38:00.840
They've certainly got the legs.

668
00:38:00.840 --> 00:38:01.619
It's fair, haven't they?

669
00:38:01.679 --> 00:38:02.699
in Kurzman Train.

670
00:38:02.760 --> 00:38:03.119
Yeah, yeah.

671
00:38:03.119 --> 00:38:09.360
They just went for like horrible black lenses back in the day or those awful ones they put Brent in in serious quantity engines.

672
00:38:09.420 --> 00:38:10.199
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

673
00:38:10.260 --> 00:38:10.619
Terrible.

674
00:38:10.679 --> 00:38:14.340
But I think this that looks really strange and really inventive.

675
00:38:14.460 --> 00:38:19.380
They've just not done the putting bridges on an American lady kind of approach.

676
00:38:19.500 --> 00:38:21.300
The DNG introduced.

677
00:38:21.360 --> 00:38:24.719
But because this isn't really a horror, right?

678
00:38:24.780 --> 00:38:26.159
They're not doing a horror here.

679
00:38:26.219 --> 00:38:27.840
They're doing, it's like a puzzle box.

680
00:38:27.900 --> 00:38:29.760
It's a science puzzle box with a bit of atmosphere.

681
00:38:29.820 --> 00:38:31.380
So why are there any jokes?

682
00:38:31.440 --> 00:38:32.760
Why isn't this funny?

683
00:38:32.820 --> 00:38:35.280
It would make it so much more enjoyable.

684
00:38:35.880 --> 00:38:40.019
Yeah, yeah, we didn't have funny in that scene, did we at all?

685
00:38:40.079 --> 00:38:47.280
No, at each other so seriously, and no one's serious in strange new worlds until they have to be.

686
00:38:48.179 --> 00:38:50.340
Oh here we go.

687
00:38:50.699 --> 00:38:52.260
Careful.

688
00:38:52.320 --> 00:38:53.159
Careful now.

689
00:38:53.219 --> 00:38:57.179
I did like Laan earlier.

690
00:38:57.239 --> 00:38:59.039
Oh my goodness.

691
00:38:59.219 --> 00:39:01.320
Oh, that's it.

692
00:39:01.380 --> 00:39:02.579
It exploded in his face.

693
00:39:02.639 --> 00:39:04.079
So is he already dead now then?

694
00:39:04.139 --> 00:39:06.000
And the thing's taken over him.

695
00:39:06.059 --> 00:39:07.199
I think so, yeah.

696
00:39:07.260 --> 00:39:07.920
Oh okay.

697
00:39:07.980 --> 00:39:09.659
Oh my word.

698
00:39:09.719 --> 00:39:11.820
See, that's horrible. running down his face.

699
00:39:11.880 --> 00:39:13.559
But the empty sockets.

700
00:39:13.619 --> 00:39:15.179
Like the sockets are empty.

701
00:39:15.239 --> 00:39:17.820
That's why they put the glasses on him, isn't it?

702
00:39:17.880 --> 00:39:18.840
I thought, we can't be having this.

703
00:39:18.900 --> 00:39:22.800
Well, because they have to, they have to do CG.

704
00:39:22.860 --> 00:39:27.659
Like they have to put the holes in his head using computer things.

705
00:39:27.719 --> 00:39:28.440
You know what I mean?

706
00:39:28.500 --> 00:39:29.519
It isn't just makeup.

707
00:39:29.579 --> 00:39:33.539
Those glasses, I mean, who designed those camp glasses?

708
00:39:33.599 --> 00:39:34.440
very funny.

709
00:39:34.500 --> 00:39:46.739
Because it, it, they actually work because it's that 60s kind of sensibility that Stranger Worlds has in its design. 70s, it's Oscar Mellenby, remember, from Blake 7?

710
00:39:46.800 --> 00:39:48.960
I think he's Roger, isn't he?

711
00:39:49.019 --> 00:39:50.460
Roger's worse.

712
00:39:50.519 --> 00:39:51.300
Yeah, somehow.

713
00:39:51.300 --> 00:39:54.000
It's another Roger because we have a Roger here.

714
00:39:54.239 --> 00:39:57.239
And so and so what happens here?

715
00:39:57.300 --> 00:39:58.500
So it's not opened up.

716
00:39:58.559 --> 00:40:00.179
It is still sort of fairly dull.

717
00:40:00.239 --> 00:40:01.739
Oh no, there's the wall in the background.

718
00:40:01.800 --> 00:40:02.820
There's the ball.

719
00:40:02.880 --> 00:40:04.679
I can't really see it.

720
00:40:04.679 --> 00:40:05.639
It's very dark.

721
00:40:05.699 --> 00:40:07.380
It's barely on. turned it down.

722
00:40:07.440 --> 00:40:08.760
Turn it down.

723
00:40:08.820 --> 00:40:13.739
See what I mean by those redox vibes, you know, just lots of sort of torchlights, picking outfits and boxes.

724
00:40:13.800 --> 00:40:14.400
Yeah.

725
00:40:14.460 --> 00:40:14.940
Yeah.

726
00:40:15.000 --> 00:40:16.860
So yeah, we've got to leave, though.

727
00:40:16.920 --> 00:40:19.500
I mean, something bad has already happened, and so we just have to go.

728
00:40:19.559 --> 00:40:21.539
And then we have a talk about that for a while.

729
00:40:22.019 --> 00:40:29.219
Actually, the one nice thing about having the gamble there is gone now, so unfortunately it's no longer relevant.

730
00:40:29.280 --> 00:40:32.940
Well, so at least he was showing some excitement for all this.

731
00:40:33.000 --> 00:40:36.480
Some enthusiasm, everybody else just looked so bored. is doing their job.

732
00:40:36.539 --> 00:40:39.059
And so, which can be boring, right?

733
00:40:39.119 --> 00:40:40.380
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

734
00:40:40.440 --> 00:40:41.219
Oh no, trust me.

735
00:40:45.119 --> 00:40:57.960
So Najal has recognised the big statue in the next room. and has said for the 1st time the name of the alien threat, which is the Vesda, is that?

736
00:40:58.019 --> 00:40:59.639
Yeah, it's the Vesta.

737
00:40:59.699 --> 00:41:00.420
Oh, that was a crazy.

738
00:41:00.659 --> 00:41:01.260
There.

739
00:41:01.320 --> 00:41:03.119
Now, because there's no people against it.

740
00:41:03.179 --> 00:41:05.519
That just looked like it was going off into the distance.

741
00:41:05.579 --> 00:41:07.500
Now, look at them next to it.

742
00:41:07.559 --> 00:41:09.300
It looks so close.

743
00:41:09.360 --> 00:41:09.900
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

744
00:41:12.059 --> 00:41:15.599
Oh, it's like Pandora's box, isn't it there, right?

745
00:41:16.199 --> 00:41:17.099
really is.

746
00:41:17.159 --> 00:41:21.900
And so there's a, yeah, ugh, to see this, this is so upsetting.

747
00:41:21.960 --> 00:41:24.059
Now, do you know what I was thinking of?

748
00:41:24.119 --> 00:41:36.659
I was comparing this to, um, do you remember in uh, Waters of Mars, the Doctor Who story, where the woman gets possessed by the water and then she's in the sort of sick bay and goes, you know, we should have so much water.

749
00:41:36.780 --> 00:41:39.360
And I was thinking, I could have done with a bit of that.

750
00:41:39.420 --> 00:41:41.340
He's very underplaying all of this in a minute.

751
00:41:41.400 --> 00:41:43.260
Yeah, my favourite bit, though.

752
00:41:43.320 --> 00:41:55.380
He does a really proper, like, I'm possessed moment for the 1st time, which is just being done just for the camera, where he kind of, he does this sort of, he still has the glasses on, but he sort of just turns.

753
00:41:55.679 --> 00:42:00.300
It's just like, just in case you're not sure that I'm evil.

754
00:42:00.300 --> 00:42:01.739
Equality possessed tactics.

755
00:42:01.739 --> 00:42:05.940
A propane could have turned that well. so good.

756
00:42:06.719 --> 00:42:11.219
I do I really do like the red blood against the white.

757
00:42:11.280 --> 00:42:12.480
Yeah, yeah.

758
00:42:12.480 --> 00:42:16.920
I sent you a message and I said it's just like Avery in the image of the sand when he's in white overalls.

759
00:42:16.980 --> 00:42:20.340
It just makes it feel more in your gut, doesn't it?

760
00:42:20.400 --> 00:42:21.539
Oh, what's happening to him.

761
00:42:21.599 --> 00:42:22.860
Yeah.

762
00:42:22.920 --> 00:42:27.960
Yeah, no, I thought it was really nasty and it reminded me how gore...

763
00:42:28.019 --> 00:42:28.500
I thought.

764
00:42:28.619 --> 00:42:30.719
Pike comes in and goes, well, how's he doing?

765
00:42:30.780 --> 00:42:33.840
Oh, well, I think, yeah, things aren't going to turn out well for him.

766
00:42:33.900 --> 00:42:36.000
He goes, well, you know, bad things happen to people.

767
00:42:36.059 --> 00:42:37.260
And then he walks off.

768
00:42:37.320 --> 00:42:37.860
No, no.

769
00:42:37.920 --> 00:42:38.820
But that's not what he's doing.

770
00:42:39.059 --> 00:42:44.219
He's asking Mbenga how he is, how are you holding up?

771
00:42:45.179 --> 00:42:45.900
Are you okay?

772
00:42:46.079 --> 00:42:49.139
And he goes, it was my fault it was my fault.

773
00:42:49.199 --> 00:42:51.239
And he says, no, no, you need to go.

774
00:42:51.300 --> 00:42:52.619
Do you know what I mean?

775
00:42:52.679 --> 00:42:54.420
you're not responsible for this.

776
00:42:54.539 --> 00:42:55.679
You can't protect everyone.

777
00:42:55.800 --> 00:42:57.659
Well, if that is what happened there.

778
00:42:57.719 --> 00:43:00.599
There's got a great deal of empathy happening for the kids.

779
00:43:00.719 --> 00:43:03.420
No, that seems to be about my bingo.

780
00:43:03.480 --> 00:43:05.340
There's not really a lot happening about the kid.

781
00:43:05.460 --> 00:43:07.860
But Benga's just hurting.

782
00:43:07.920 --> 00:43:09.420
The kids had his eyes burnt out.

783
00:43:09.480 --> 00:43:12.179
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I bet Joseph's dealing with that.

784
00:43:12.239 --> 00:43:15.480
He's not in the opening credits either, to be fair.

785
00:43:15.539 --> 00:43:16.980
Okay, so it's fair game.

786
00:43:17.039 --> 00:43:19.559
They should have done the Joss Whedon fiction.

787
00:43:19.679 --> 00:43:21.840
I mean, the credits just for this episode.

788
00:43:21.900 --> 00:43:24.659
Well, the hammer thing, let's say.

789
00:43:24.719 --> 00:43:26.099
Did they do that, did they?

790
00:43:26.219 --> 00:43:26.760
With Emma.

791
00:43:26.820 --> 00:43:28.500
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

792
00:43:28.559 --> 00:43:29.639
Bruce Horax.

793
00:43:29.639 --> 00:43:30.599
Well, it's just in one episode.

794
00:43:30.659 --> 00:43:32.039
No, no, no.

795
00:43:32.099 --> 00:43:33.480
Oh, for all of them.

796
00:43:33.539 --> 00:43:33.840
Okay.

797
00:43:33.900 --> 00:43:36.239
No, no, Joss put Amber Benson's name.

798
00:43:36.300 --> 00:43:37.800
Just in her deaf episode.

799
00:43:38.340 --> 00:43:40.800
Yes, bastard.

800
00:43:41.159 --> 00:43:44.340
Okay, so what are we talking seriously about now?

801
00:43:44.579 --> 00:43:49.199
So we're talking about the door and getting through the door.

802
00:43:49.260 --> 00:43:50.639
Yeah, I see what you mean.

803
00:43:50.699 --> 00:43:53.340
Riveting stuff. talking about the door, isn't it?

804
00:43:53.639 --> 00:43:58.199
This is reminding me a bit of twisted, but with some visual ambition.

805
00:43:58.260 --> 00:44:00.179
I did make that point.

806
00:44:00.239 --> 00:44:05.880
Actually, I did say that like Twisted, this has eccentric spaces.

807
00:44:06.360 --> 00:44:09.659
Yeah, but look, look at the difference, though.

808
00:44:09.719 --> 00:44:12.659
Yeah, yeah, it is a little bit better than twisted, is it?

809
00:44:12.719 --> 00:44:18.059
Because I mean, it was just that thing where we're walking around the sets that we see every week, but we're surprised by where we end up.

810
00:44:18.119 --> 00:44:18.780
It was so bad.

811
00:44:18.840 --> 00:44:29.340
But in Twisted, we at least had, you know, um, B'lana and Harry screaming out Tetla babble at each other, trying to create some sense of, this bunch, they're all just...

812
00:44:29.340 --> 00:44:30.840
Yeah, they're doing it very gently.

813
00:44:30.900 --> 00:44:33.000
Maybe we'll go through the door at some point.

814
00:44:33.059 --> 00:44:36.059
Well, you go over to that console there and press a few buds, right?

815
00:44:36.119 --> 00:44:37.739
You stand there, right?

816
00:44:37.800 --> 00:44:40.019
Okay, you go through that beam of light.

817
00:44:40.079 --> 00:44:42.059
I mean, come on, this is plodding.

818
00:44:42.119 --> 00:45:00.000
But what ends up happening, and again, it's super obvious in retrospect, and I don't know how I saw it the 1st time, is that they're all in the same room, and they're all in the same room because there's some quantum thing happening, and, you know, it's different realities that cause them to be immortal or whatever.

819
00:45:00.059 --> 00:45:06.059
And there is a pretty great scene of technobabble later on where both Christine and Laan say, yeah, I have no idea what that means.

820
00:45:06.119 --> 00:45:07.320
I don't know either.

821
00:45:07.380 --> 00:45:12.119
But it does put them in the same space in different kind of, you know, they're not able to see one another.

822
00:45:12.179 --> 00:45:16.139
But it divides up the people who need to be...

823
00:45:16.199 --> 00:45:17.760
That always works well, doesn't it?

824
00:45:17.820 --> 00:45:19.440
from each other.

825
00:45:19.500 --> 00:45:20.159
We separate.

826
00:45:20.219 --> 00:45:20.760
But they don't.

827
00:45:20.820 --> 00:45:22.800
They're all still in the same room for the rest of the time.

828
00:45:22.860 --> 00:45:26.940
But, and they, remember they look around and they're not there.

829
00:45:27.000 --> 00:45:27.719
Do you know what I mean?

830
00:45:27.780 --> 00:45:30.119
They walk through and it's just like, where did where did the others go?

831
00:45:30.179 --> 00:45:36.599
You know, they all went in together, but Beto and Uhura didn't come through with them.

832
00:45:36.659 --> 00:45:37.800
So they weren't splitting up.

833
00:45:37.860 --> 00:45:40.320
I do like the wolves look like they're breathing at the moment.

834
00:45:40.380 --> 00:45:41.400
That's quite nice.

835
00:45:41.460 --> 00:45:47.519
It reminded me of that enterprise one we watched, you know, where you just saw things moving in the background of scenes all the time.

836
00:45:47.579 --> 00:45:48.300
Yeah.

837
00:45:48.360 --> 00:45:50.159
What about this statue?

838
00:45:50.639 --> 00:45:52.260
Um.

839
00:45:52.619 --> 00:45:59.219
Well, yes, I wouldn't have it at home, but no, but it's very, like, I think it's very weird.

840
00:45:59.280 --> 00:46:03.300
It has these sort of strange feminine, do you know what I mean?

841
00:46:03.360 --> 00:46:06.539
Like, it's like, it's almost like it's a female nude, but it's weird.

842
00:46:06.780 --> 00:46:08.219
There.

843
00:46:08.280 --> 00:46:10.739
Sorry, I'm so obsessed with the war at the moment.

844
00:46:10.800 --> 00:46:12.300
So there was a shot of them.

845
00:46:12.420 --> 00:46:13.800
They were quite small on the screen.

846
00:46:13.860 --> 00:46:18.000
It was a wide shot with the distance going back.

847
00:46:18.059 --> 00:46:19.199
Now that was convincing.

848
00:46:19.260 --> 00:46:23.940
Then it cut to a mid-shot close to them against the wall and that looked fake.

849
00:46:24.059 --> 00:46:27.059
So I think it's where you position them within the frame.

850
00:46:27.179 --> 00:46:48.900
But I also think that it's helped by the fact that the, because the world's computer generated and the, and the camera movements are involved in it, there were some tracking shots where things looked like they were moving in the distance behind Spock and Roger in that scene, which I think looks great.

851
00:46:48.960 --> 00:46:56.579
This one where we're sort of pulling back from the 2 women and the background is sort of following the tracking shot.

852
00:46:56.639 --> 00:46:58.619
All of that stuff, I think, works.

853
00:46:58.679 --> 00:46:59.760
I think that works really well.

854
00:46:59.820 --> 00:47:06.420
And it does make, it does give visual interest to a scene that would otherwise be just set in a broom.

855
00:47:06.539 --> 00:47:08.340
It does fascinate me, though.

856
00:47:08.400 --> 00:47:24.719
It does fascinate me talking about that technology because it is utterly dependent, seem to seem on the choices that they make. whether my brain can just go with it and say, yes, that's or no, they're in a studio against a bit of glass.

857
00:47:24.780 --> 00:47:32.340
I remember because the volume is much bigger, the one that Industrial Light and Magic had that they did the Mandalorian for.

858
00:47:32.340 --> 00:47:35.940
And like initially, I thought that's all shot on location.

859
00:47:36.000 --> 00:47:37.500
I can't believe it. so incredible.

860
00:47:37.559 --> 00:47:40.860
And now when I look at it, I go, how did I fall for that for a second?

861
00:47:40.920 --> 00:47:42.539
I suppose when it's new.

862
00:47:42.599 --> 00:47:44.280
I mean, go back and watch Jurassic Park now.

863
00:47:44.400 --> 00:47:47.760
At the time, we were like, oh, my God.

864
00:47:47.760 --> 00:47:49.980
I think it's still kind of, I think it's still sort of hold up.

865
00:47:50.039 --> 00:47:57.539
I learned the other day, Nathan, that they were going to do stop star animation for Jurassic Park. and they did some tests.

866
00:47:57.599 --> 00:47:58.139
Imagine.

867
00:47:58.199 --> 00:48:00.360
Ray Harry House and dinosaurs.

868
00:48:01.679 --> 00:48:03.420
Oh my god.

869
00:48:04.440 --> 00:48:06.300
Oh here we go.

870
00:48:06.360 --> 00:48:08.340
So he's still in no specs at the moment.

871
00:48:08.460 --> 00:48:09.840
He looks funny.

872
00:48:09.900 --> 00:48:10.320
I'm sorry.

873
00:48:10.380 --> 00:48:12.659
I know that's not the effect, but it is a bit camp.

874
00:48:13.199 --> 00:48:19.380
He sits up and then he just turns his head towards Ubenga and that's it.

875
00:48:19.440 --> 00:48:20.280
That's his. evil.

876
00:48:20.340 --> 00:48:22.199
He should have turned straight to the camera.

877
00:48:22.260 --> 00:48:23.159
Did you see that?

878
00:48:23.219 --> 00:48:23.639
All right.

879
00:48:23.699 --> 00:48:24.719
I am evil.

880
00:48:26.280 --> 00:48:28.980
I mean, I don't think it's a bad performance.

881
00:48:29.039 --> 00:48:32.099
I think it's really hard to deliver that wearing those glasses.

882
00:48:32.159 --> 00:48:33.780
Yeah, yeah.

883
00:48:33.840 --> 00:48:37.199
And the glasses are there literally for budgetary reasons, right?

884
00:48:37.260 --> 00:48:40.860
Because the effect of the eye sockets is...

885
00:48:40.860 --> 00:48:42.780
They didn't have a budget on Strange New Worlds.

886
00:48:42.840 --> 00:48:44.940
Yeah, yeah, they do.

887
00:48:45.000 --> 00:48:48.599
Oh, yeah, it doesn't...

888
00:48:48.659 --> 00:48:50.400
No, no, you can always tell.

889
00:48:50.519 --> 00:48:51.719
Star Trek always.

890
00:48:51.780 --> 00:48:58.500
I mean, it's, we, we weren't so painfully aware of it in the 90s as we are now.

891
00:48:59.280 --> 00:49:00.719
How?

892
00:49:00.719 --> 00:49:02.699
But how will we not say that?

893
00:49:03.659 --> 00:49:07.079
Well, our critical faculties of the 19th.

894
00:49:07.079 --> 00:49:08.039
Good gold.

895
00:49:08.099 --> 00:49:12.300
But I think you can see where they're saving money in these shows even now. like even in the movies.

896
00:49:12.719 --> 00:49:15.719
What I like is it doesn't really stop them.

897
00:49:15.780 --> 00:49:19.440
Like, they have such visual imagination in Cursman Trek.

898
00:49:19.500 --> 00:49:30.780
And even when a scene, there's very often we'll watch a scene where you don't need the additional quirky things that are flying in and stuff, the dots on that, but they'll do it anyway, just because it looks great.

899
00:49:30.840 --> 00:49:35.760
So a little rare reference to Christina's background?

900
00:49:35.820 --> 00:49:37.260
Because she's reading Chinese?

901
00:49:38.159 --> 00:49:41.039
Okay, does that not get mentioned a lot then?

902
00:49:41.099 --> 00:49:42.480
No, I don't think so.

903
00:49:42.539 --> 00:49:50.760
She gets mentioned as a, you know, descendative, like the Noonian Singh family, the Noonian song or whatever family.

904
00:49:50.820 --> 00:49:54.420
Oh, Nathan, the beholder is in constant flux.

905
00:49:54.539 --> 00:49:55.619
Is he the hero or not?

906
00:49:55.679 --> 00:49:57.719
I just couldn't be less interested in this.

907
00:49:57.780 --> 00:50:02.280
Look at how Christina makes fun of this.

908
00:50:02.400 --> 00:50:04.440
So there's a couple of times.

909
00:50:04.440 --> 00:50:05.579
Yeah.

910
00:50:05.639 --> 00:50:07.019
She goes, great.

911
00:50:07.079 --> 00:50:08.280
What does that mean?

912
00:50:08.340 --> 00:50:10.260
No, I don't know.

913
00:50:10.320 --> 00:50:10.920
Not a clown.

914
00:50:10.980 --> 00:50:11.219
Yeah.

915
00:50:11.280 --> 00:50:11.880
Do you know what I mean?

916
00:50:11.940 --> 00:50:12.960
So we have a little bit...

917
00:50:12.960 --> 00:50:14.400
No, I belly laugh, though, is it?

918
00:50:14.460 --> 00:50:21.300
No, no, but it is undercutting and making them seem more normal. than TNG people spouting technobabble.

919
00:50:21.360 --> 00:50:28.320
And that's technobabble that we have to hear because that's, you know, that's important to the thing, the recipe.

920
00:50:28.380 --> 00:50:29.039
You know what this needs?

921
00:50:29.099 --> 00:50:30.119
It needs a bit of action.

922
00:50:30.179 --> 00:50:31.500
It needs a bit of running around.

923
00:50:31.559 --> 00:50:32.639
It needs some danger.

924
00:50:32.699 --> 00:50:36.480
I just don't feel like I feel like I'm watching them.

925
00:50:36.539 --> 00:50:39.360
I don't know, do a Chinese puzzle box for 30 minutes.

926
00:50:39.480 --> 00:50:40.320
Yeah, yeah.

927
00:50:40.380 --> 00:50:40.739
Yeah.

928
00:50:40.800 --> 00:50:44.099
Well, and and the thing is that there has been danger.

929
00:50:44.159 --> 00:50:52.860
There's been a jar and there's been, um, uh, gamble, obviously, but nothing seems very urgent.

930
00:50:52.920 --> 00:51:02.940
And, you know, again, Najal was definitely going to die as well, maybe even more so. got Spock in one of the 2 pairings here and he's generally quite serious.

931
00:51:03.000 --> 00:51:06.599
You've got like on in the other 2 pairs, even when she's with you.

932
00:51:06.659 --> 00:51:11.460
She's quite serious in these very dark rooms where nothing's moving very fast.

933
00:51:12.480 --> 00:51:19.739
I mean, there's something about putting these 2 together just given the way that they've been relating to each other all season.

934
00:51:19.800 --> 00:51:21.599
But it doesn't really go anywhere.

935
00:51:21.719 --> 00:51:30.300
And what ends up happening is, of course, the crucial moment where Christine says, no, I'm not going to do what you say, Roger, I have to trust Spock.

936
00:51:30.360 --> 00:51:45.900
And there's that, the conversation that they have earlier about whether to leave or not, where she is having a little bit, there's some frisson about their relationship happening there as well, which he calls back to.

937
00:51:45.960 --> 00:51:57.239
So there is sort of stuff, there is sort of interpersonal stuff going on, but they don't make a big deal of it. there's no scene about it, but it is there in the story, giving it a little bit more texture, I think.

938
00:51:57.300 --> 00:52:03.420
I do like Spock saying, I'm not having gamble wearing all the great vices in this episode.

939
00:52:03.480 --> 00:52:04.920
Yeah, I'm going to find my own one.

940
00:52:04.980 --> 00:52:06.119
This fair one.

941
00:52:06.179 --> 00:52:07.139
Yeah.

942
00:52:07.199 --> 00:52:08.579
Oh my word.

943
00:52:08.639 --> 00:52:11.099
What was that monster there that just leapt out happening?

944
00:52:11.219 --> 00:52:14.940
So that is, that's a great jump scare too.

945
00:52:15.000 --> 00:52:16.980
That's a much of it, didn't you?

946
00:52:17.039 --> 00:52:17.940
No, no.

947
00:52:18.000 --> 00:52:20.340
We have seen it slightly.

948
00:52:20.400 --> 00:52:23.699
I think we've seen that weird mouth theme before.

949
00:52:23.699 --> 00:52:33.719
And we will see it again this episode in association with Marie. and but that's the Vesda in the in its little prison.

950
00:52:33.840 --> 00:52:42.599
Nathan, you know your sort of strange kink that we've discovered on TikTok, you know, of walking female corpses covered in KY, things like that.

951
00:52:42.659 --> 00:52:48.900
I think I've developed a taste for androgynous looking people, you know, in Kurtzman Trek.

952
00:52:48.960 --> 00:52:53.159
I think Ortegus looks absolutely gorgeous now with only.

953
00:52:53.219 --> 00:52:54.119
Yeah, she is great.

954
00:52:54.179 --> 00:53:00.719
And I think the fella, her brother is quite androgynous looking as well. really pretty, isn't he?

955
00:53:00.780 --> 00:53:01.920
And what in discovery?

956
00:53:02.340 --> 00:53:04.199
What was her name?

957
00:53:04.260 --> 00:53:05.579
Beautiful.

958
00:53:05.639 --> 00:53:07.079
Yeah.

959
00:53:07.139 --> 00:53:11.519
Yeah, that is a cute little boyish haircut that she's got going there, isn't it?

960
00:53:11.639 --> 00:53:12.719
Oh, she is.

961
00:53:14.699 --> 00:53:17.820
No, this is I, this is her being serious.

962
00:53:17.880 --> 00:53:19.980
Yeah, so too serious, yeah.

963
00:53:20.039 --> 00:53:23.099
No, she undercuts it with the word hee-jeebies.

964
00:53:23.159 --> 00:53:26.820
I don't have the scientific feeling for it, but it gives you the heebie-jeebies.

965
00:53:27.480 --> 00:53:32.400
Which I did smile at, but I think I probably could have been made to laugh in this scene.

966
00:53:32.460 --> 00:53:35.639
Yeah, yeah, yeah. a pretty low-key kind of joke.

967
00:53:35.639 --> 00:53:36.780
It's a hair.

968
00:53:36.840 --> 00:53:39.179
Pike's hair looks terrible in this episode.

969
00:53:39.239 --> 00:53:42.900
Yeah, yeah, it's just getting taller and taller every episode.

970
00:53:42.960 --> 00:53:43.920
Yeah.

971
00:53:43.980 --> 00:53:44.699
Oh my word.

972
00:53:44.760 --> 00:53:49.139
Look, now, look, if you just squinted, you could be in Robert Picardo's sick bay there, couldn't you?

973
00:53:49.199 --> 00:53:51.000
It's a beautiful set, isn't it?

974
00:53:51.119 --> 00:53:53.579
That's new, I think, in this season or last season.

975
00:53:53.639 --> 00:53:56.579
It's the science room set that they have.

976
00:53:56.639 --> 00:54:01.739
Oh, look at the graphics with the dots going up and down the lines, like in Beverly Crushes, Sick Bay.

977
00:54:01.800 --> 00:54:02.699
Oh, heaven.

978
00:54:02.760 --> 00:54:04.380
There we go.

979
00:54:05.159 --> 00:54:10.019
All I need now is those sort of coloured liquids that she's got in big vats.

980
00:54:10.199 --> 00:54:12.840
Those are in original track.

981
00:54:12.900 --> 00:54:15.000
The dots going up and down the line.

982
00:54:15.059 --> 00:54:18.719
Do you remember that weird thing where people sort of put their feet on the walls and kick?

983
00:54:18.840 --> 00:54:19.739
I want that.

984
00:54:19.920 --> 00:54:26.639
See, now the ceiling's too high and it's hard to do it. but I want to see the banger. find a way.

985
00:54:26.699 --> 00:54:28.679
The ceiling, one part of it comes down, you know?

986
00:54:28.739 --> 00:54:29.639
Yeah.

987
00:54:29.699 --> 00:54:35.519
Okay, so now we're talking about Rakia, the daughter, who we saw at the end of Elysian Kingdom.

988
00:54:35.579 --> 00:54:37.199
This was a creepy scene, I thought.

989
00:54:37.260 --> 00:54:39.780
But again, he's struggling with those glasses.

990
00:54:39.840 --> 00:54:41.699
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

991
00:54:41.760 --> 00:54:49.260
Yeah, you wonder whether the nastiness of what he says there would have been more effective had they just taken the glasses off him.

992
00:54:49.320 --> 00:54:49.980
You know?

993
00:54:50.039 --> 00:54:52.139
I mean, I probably wouldn't have burnt out his eyes.

994
00:54:52.199 --> 00:54:54.179
I probably would have just let him use his eyes.

995
00:54:54.239 --> 00:54:57.059
I bet that actor can properly, you know, give it some.

996
00:54:57.119 --> 00:55:02.579
Yeah, but the burning out the eyes is so horrible though, and I think they really wanted to go properly horrible.

997
00:55:02.639 --> 00:55:04.559
And so, of course, when he comes back.

998
00:55:04.619 --> 00:55:06.000
Oh, this bit.

999
00:55:06.000 --> 00:55:09.059
Now they come in and they're all talking this weird space.

1000
00:55:09.119 --> 00:55:10.260
Cali catcher.

1001
00:55:10.320 --> 00:55:11.519
Zakeba.

1002
00:55:11.760 --> 00:55:13.679
I was getting it.

1003
00:55:13.739 --> 00:55:16.500
I was getting Jake and Kira on the promenade vine.

1004
00:55:16.559 --> 00:55:19.619
So was I. No, this is a better fight though.

1005
00:55:19.679 --> 00:55:23.579
They just stand there throwing pixie dust at each other. beams at each other.

1006
00:55:23.639 --> 00:55:25.679
Yeah, this is an actual shit out of each other.

1007
00:55:25.739 --> 00:55:29.460
This was the one point where my pulse started racing a tiny bit.

1008
00:55:29.519 --> 00:55:32.159
Well, you know what I've said before.

1009
00:55:32.219 --> 00:55:34.679
Although this, I don't think this is a cheap.

1010
00:55:34.739 --> 00:55:36.539
This is not a cheap fight, is it?

1011
00:55:36.599 --> 00:55:38.820
It's pretty well choreographed.

1012
00:55:39.300 --> 00:55:43.260
Punches sort of face people being thrown over beds.

1013
00:55:43.320 --> 00:55:45.300
Oh, Pike, don't come in and ruin the farm.

1014
00:55:48.539 --> 00:55:50.159
Yuck.

1015
00:55:50.219 --> 00:55:51.179
That's it.

1016
00:55:51.179 --> 00:55:52.139
And he runs off.

1017
00:55:53.099 --> 00:55:58.019
I mean, I was also getting, do you remember, you know, his eyes like that, yeah?

1018
00:55:58.139 --> 00:56:01.679
all getting Musaka vibes from masks.

1019
00:56:02.820 --> 00:56:05.940
Wait till you see what he wears in episode 10.

1020
00:56:06.239 --> 00:56:07.559
Who?

1021
00:56:07.679 --> 00:56:11.400
Uh, that the boy, that the young lad.

1022
00:56:11.460 --> 00:56:12.719
What gamble?

1023
00:56:12.780 --> 00:56:15.239
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. didn't he die in this?

1024
00:56:15.360 --> 00:56:17.460
He's the big band.

1025
00:56:17.519 --> 00:56:21.719
This is the villain origin story for the big villain for episode 10.

1026
00:56:22.079 --> 00:56:24.840
Oh, sorry, I didn't realise that.

1027
00:56:26.639 --> 00:56:30.000
Does he get a great cliffhanger then later in the season?

1028
00:56:30.059 --> 00:56:30.659
My God.

1029
00:56:30.719 --> 00:56:33.360
No, we don't see him again.

1030
00:56:33.420 --> 00:56:34.380
We don't see him again.

1031
00:56:34.500 --> 00:56:39.059
And so he's killed this guy, but we didn't get to see that. which is sort of boring.

1032
00:56:39.119 --> 00:56:41.699
And then there's this big dumb security guy.

1033
00:56:41.760 --> 00:56:44.099
Why don't you have a big dumb white security guy?

1034
00:56:44.219 --> 00:56:45.239
That's so boring.

1035
00:56:45.360 --> 00:56:49.679
Yes, see, look, I'm, they're not going in close enough to that makeup.

1036
00:56:49.739 --> 00:56:51.599
All I'm seeing is sort of mascara.

1037
00:56:51.659 --> 00:56:57.659
I think I think those shots and that one in particular is particularly bad, I think.

1038
00:56:57.719 --> 00:56:59.159
I don't know what they've done there.

1039
00:56:59.219 --> 00:57:00.780
Like they haven't done the full.

1040
00:57:00.900 --> 00:57:03.599
There's the full depth eye sockets thing.

1041
00:57:03.659 --> 00:57:07.619
You definitely see on the thing, but I think they're struggling to do it.

1042
00:57:07.739 --> 00:57:12.059
Yeah, the makeup on this show is something you can usually guarantee it's always going to be.

1043
00:57:12.059 --> 00:57:13.139
I'm a great stand-up.

1044
00:57:13.199 --> 00:57:14.699
I mean, look at Celia Goody Jr.

1045
00:57:14.760 --> 00:57:18.780
Her, her, um, eye shadow is on point in this scene.

1046
00:57:18.840 --> 00:57:19.559
It's the best.

1047
00:57:19.619 --> 00:57:21.360
It's the only bit of colour in the morning.

1048
00:57:21.719 --> 00:57:22.980
It is.

1049
00:57:22.980 --> 00:57:25.199
I don't think it goes with some of the tiles.

1050
00:57:25.440 --> 00:57:27.179
Does she throw that?

1051
00:57:27.239 --> 00:57:28.739
She goes, look, it's a very gray scene.

1052
00:57:28.800 --> 00:57:29.820
Put some green on me eyes.

1053
00:57:29.880 --> 00:57:31.440
That'll do Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1054
00:57:31.860 --> 00:57:32.820
Yeah, look at this.

1055
00:57:32.880 --> 00:57:34.079
What's the fellow's name?

1056
00:57:34.139 --> 00:57:34.500
Sorry.

1057
00:57:34.559 --> 00:57:35.820
Beto.

1058
00:57:35.940 --> 00:57:36.900
It's very pretty.

1059
00:57:36.960 --> 00:57:38.400
Yeah, yeah.

1060
00:57:38.460 --> 00:57:42.360
Yeah, he's really cute too in that his big episode.

1061
00:57:42.420 --> 00:57:45.179
It was just called what he's called. documentary.

1062
00:57:45.239 --> 00:57:46.199
Is it really funny?

1063
00:57:46.320 --> 00:57:48.179
I'd like to think so.

1064
00:57:48.239 --> 00:57:51.840
It's funny in places, despite the absent of Pelia.

1065
00:57:51.900 --> 00:57:55.980
No, that's funny. which is funny in itself.

1066
00:57:56.039 --> 00:58:05.099
It does, like it has, it's about what Starfleet is and what it's like to not, you know, it has a bit of a lower decks vibe to it.

1067
00:58:05.159 --> 00:58:10.739
You know, there's something going on that the main crew aren't properly aware of and stuff.

1068
00:58:10.800 --> 00:58:13.199
Look, look at them to the side of the wall there.

1069
00:58:13.260 --> 00:58:14.280
It looks great.

1070
00:58:14.340 --> 00:58:16.800
Then we go in on them against the wall.

1071
00:58:16.860 --> 00:58:17.519
It looks fake.

1072
00:58:17.639 --> 00:58:19.079
It's just so bizarre.

1073
00:58:19.199 --> 00:58:20.820
It's so bizarre.

1074
00:58:20.880 --> 00:58:24.840
No, I think it's a perceptual thing because again, it's out of focus and that's a thing that you can't do.

1075
00:58:24.900 --> 00:58:33.659
You know, with a CGI thing with a, like with a something computer generate, because it's an actual physical thing that's visible to the actors and to the cameras.

1076
00:58:33.719 --> 00:58:35.159
You can go out of focus on it.

1077
00:58:35.219 --> 00:58:36.539
But it's so great.

1078
00:58:36.599 --> 00:58:43.079
When they were in the corner of the screen there and the walls were moving over there to the left, that looked fantastic.

1079
00:58:43.139 --> 00:58:44.099
That looked like a movie.

1080
00:58:44.159 --> 00:58:45.659
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1081
00:58:45.719 --> 00:58:48.840
We go, movie, TV, TV to each show.

1082
00:58:48.900 --> 00:58:52.679
It does look like TV, but it does look like expensive TV, I think.

1083
00:58:52.739 --> 00:58:53.460
Oh, absolutely.

1084
00:58:53.519 --> 00:58:55.980
Yes, well, like you said, all those reflective surfaces.

1085
00:58:56.039 --> 00:58:58.079
Well, see, I'm a sucker for that.

1086
00:58:58.139 --> 00:58:58.860
Do you know what I mean?

1087
00:58:58.920 --> 00:59:01.139
stand in front of them and do a Star Trek episode.

1088
00:59:01.199 --> 00:59:05.519
The symbols on the console are so Stargate, SG1.

1089
00:59:05.699 --> 00:59:06.719
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1090
00:59:06.780 --> 00:59:09.659
Well, I think they Yeah, they're absolutely going for that, aren't they?

1091
00:59:09.719 --> 00:59:11.099
Like, they're definitely going for that.

1092
00:59:11.159 --> 00:59:14.280
I could just see Anubis coming through the portal, any minute.

1093
00:59:14.699 --> 00:59:19.139
And so it is 40 minutes in that we get them.

1094
00:59:19.139 --> 00:59:22.079
Oh, Christ, will something happen in this bloody plot?

1095
00:59:22.139 --> 00:59:22.739
Yeah.

1096
00:59:22.739 --> 00:59:26.519
What if it's a palace or a lab?

1097
00:59:26.579 --> 00:59:27.780
What if it's a prison?

1098
00:59:27.840 --> 00:59:28.980
What if it's a prison?

1099
00:59:29.039 --> 00:59:30.360
And that's what it is.

1100
00:59:30.420 --> 00:59:33.420
It's full of those people from PowerPlay.

1101
00:59:33.480 --> 00:59:34.500
But he's already out.

1102
00:59:34.559 --> 00:59:36.420
Look, he's already out on the Enterprise.

1103
00:59:38.159 --> 00:59:40.440
Yeah, that's true.

1104
00:59:40.500 --> 00:59:41.639
That is true.

1105
00:59:42.840 --> 00:59:45.239
That's an adhesive too now.

1106
00:59:45.300 --> 00:59:46.679
Yeah, it's okay.

1107
00:59:46.739 --> 00:59:50.820
Yeah, oh, actually, I do like this where he's talking without turning his head.

1108
00:59:50.880 --> 00:59:52.800
That is cheaper.

1109
00:59:52.920 --> 00:59:54.239
Well, he doesn't have to wear his eyes.

1110
00:59:54.300 --> 00:59:57.300
But there's something, well, it's just weird, isn't it?

1111
00:59:57.360 --> 00:59:59.159
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1112
00:59:59.219 --> 00:59:59.579
Yeah.

1113
01:00:00.179 --> 01:00:01.500
Yeah.

1114
01:00:01.559 --> 01:00:02.340
Oh there we go.

1115
01:00:02.400 --> 01:00:04.679
That's better, that makeup.

1116
01:00:04.739 --> 01:00:07.679
The burning around his the actual eyes is better there.

1117
01:00:08.159 --> 01:00:10.199
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1118
01:00:10.260 --> 01:00:12.719
I think I just think it's so horrible.

1119
01:00:12.780 --> 01:00:17.159
I get so horrible and it is also just that the screaming and stuff.

1120
01:00:17.280 --> 01:00:18.059
Yeah.

1121
01:00:18.179 --> 01:00:21.539
I think I might get you one of those statues, you know.

1122
01:00:21.599 --> 01:00:23.760
Yeah, they're quite nice.

1123
01:00:23.820 --> 01:00:29.039
Well, you usually have a collection of gubbins, don't you, that you don't want, but your partner does in your outside.

1124
01:00:29.099 --> 01:00:29.639
Yeah, that's right.

1125
01:00:29.699 --> 01:00:30.179
Yeah, that's right.

1126
01:00:30.300 --> 01:00:31.559
He'll find a place for it.

1127
01:00:31.619 --> 01:00:32.219
He will.

1128
01:00:35.400 --> 01:00:37.139
Oh, right.

1129
01:00:37.199 --> 01:00:40.019
Stuck on dimensional planes, tabernacle.

1130
01:00:40.079 --> 01:00:42.900
So we do come back here too, in episode 10, by the way.

1131
01:00:43.019 --> 01:00:44.639
It is a thing.

1132
01:00:44.699 --> 01:00:47.219
Oh, really want to throw him back in the prison.

1133
01:00:47.880 --> 01:00:53.219
No, we do find out the origin, the secret origin.

1134
01:00:53.280 --> 01:00:57.480
I'm just not going to tell you of who that beholder statue is.

1135
01:00:57.539 --> 01:00:59.579
Oh, what, is it somebody we know?

1136
01:00:59.579 --> 01:01:00.960
Might be.

1137
01:01:01.019 --> 01:01:04.559
Oh, please tell me it's the camp ones from Arena, please.

1138
01:01:04.619 --> 01:01:06.599
What are they called again?

1139
01:01:06.960 --> 01:01:09.960
I think the Gorn or the Metro.

1140
01:01:10.019 --> 01:01:10.980
The Metron.

1141
01:01:11.039 --> 01:01:12.179
Hello, the Metron.

1142
01:01:12.239 --> 01:01:15.179
It was all like the Metron.

1143
01:01:15.239 --> 01:01:19.920
I get a little crush on the Metron from terrarium still, I thought he was kind of...

1144
01:01:19.920 --> 01:01:21.300
Good legs, really.

1145
01:01:21.360 --> 01:01:23.340
The one from Arena, I pretty good legs as well.

1146
01:01:23.400 --> 01:01:24.480
Yeah.

1147
01:01:24.539 --> 01:01:26.639
It was so gay.

1148
01:01:26.699 --> 01:01:28.019
So terrendous.

1149
01:01:28.139 --> 01:01:32.760
Oh, God, how much longer is this plot gonna go on for?

1150
01:01:32.820 --> 01:01:36.480
I think we're all together in the room and we're hugging.

1151
01:01:36.599 --> 01:01:37.019
Oh, no.

1152
01:01:37.079 --> 01:01:37.380
Okay.

1153
01:01:37.440 --> 01:01:42.360
So we've got to do the one last thing, which is the trust.

1154
01:01:42.420 --> 01:01:43.920
Don't listen to Roger.

1155
01:01:43.980 --> 01:01:52.440
Listen to Spock. and then I really like the bit where Lahn holds out her hand and let...

1156
01:01:52.500 --> 01:01:56.340
You know what I said you earlier about that story so not getting into gear?

1157
01:01:56.400 --> 01:01:59.099
because I don't think there's any suspense at any point, right?

1158
01:01:59.159 --> 01:02:06.960
So when they go in, there's 0 suspense, and then at the end they walk out and you see them both going in and going out with not much happening in between.

1159
01:02:07.019 --> 01:02:09.119
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1160
01:02:09.179 --> 01:02:24.300
And I guess they think that having the 2 casualties there is enough to make that a thing, except that they're basically there to do their character stuff and so everyone's safe.

1161
01:02:24.360 --> 01:02:36.119
I do wonder, you know, that that opening episode, which was sumptuous on the eyes, costs so much money that they had to recoup some costs along the way here.

1162
01:02:36.179 --> 01:02:37.500
I mean, that's possible.

1163
01:02:37.559 --> 01:02:43.559
Although I have to think that whatever they did to make the facade of the temple has got to have been quite expensive.

1164
01:02:43.920 --> 01:02:55.019
I mean, do you remember the gaunt larder and those pods with people in them, stretching right back, people bursting out covered in blood. it was just incredible.

1165
01:02:55.079 --> 01:03:02.039
All but about 5 of them were on the wall, obviously. stop spoiling the illusion, right?

1166
01:03:02.099 --> 01:03:04.260
I was convinced for once.

1167
01:03:05.519 --> 01:03:11.099
So was she just possessed by a par race or whatever they are. then we don't know.

1168
01:03:11.159 --> 01:03:12.119
Oh, okay.

1169
01:03:12.179 --> 01:03:13.079
Yeah.

1170
01:03:13.139 --> 01:03:17.880
It was a very strange moment where she walked, just started walking out weird language.

1171
01:03:17.940 --> 01:03:19.019
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1172
01:03:19.079 --> 01:03:30.719
Well, she actually says exactly the same dialogue that Najal had said earlier when he 1st recognised the statue and 1st started talking about La Vesda.

1173
01:03:30.780 --> 01:03:33.179
So she starts talking about it as well.

1174
01:03:33.659 --> 01:03:42.780
I have to give them huge points for M Apostrophe Croon, because we haven't seen one of those for a while, have we?

1175
01:03:42.840 --> 01:03:43.860
Awesome.

1176
01:03:43.920 --> 01:03:46.860
It's such, well, Nigal has an apostrophe as well, obviously.

1177
01:03:46.920 --> 01:03:51.360
Up there with the Beaumont for best use of...

1178
01:03:51.420 --> 01:03:56.039
Well, this is the Star Trek where 2 of the regulars have apostrophes as well.

1179
01:03:56.400 --> 01:03:57.059
Yep Who's the other one?

1180
01:03:57.119 --> 01:03:58.380
Mabanga.

1181
01:03:58.440 --> 01:03:59.639
Ah, of course, yes.

1182
01:03:59.699 --> 01:04:00.239
Yeah.

1183
01:04:00.239 --> 01:04:01.199
Yeah.

1184
01:04:01.260 --> 01:04:02.280
Yeah.

1185
01:04:02.280 --> 01:04:05.820
Couldn't they just bring the Beaumar back once in Calatman trick?

1186
01:04:05.880 --> 01:04:07.260
imagine that.

1187
01:04:07.380 --> 01:04:12.780
Imagine if this was a Beaumont prison and the man walked out and went, are you dealing with our prison?

1188
01:04:15.360 --> 01:04:17.400
I like the floor.

1189
01:04:17.460 --> 01:04:23.699
Like, there's something, you know how there's that gap under the floor and somehow, I guess that's the wall, is it?

1190
01:04:23.760 --> 01:04:27.420
Like the wall just extends below them where they are.

1191
01:04:27.659 --> 01:04:34.860
I like I like to pretend that in an episode with this little narrative drive to it.

1192
01:04:34.920 --> 01:04:38.699
We've talked a lot about floors, walls and river walls.

1193
01:04:38.760 --> 01:04:43.559
That's true See, that's enough for me. largely enough for me.

1194
01:04:43.619 --> 01:04:46.980
Yeah, I figured you were a man that wasn't easily pleased, but here we are.

1195
01:04:47.039 --> 01:04:50.400
No, no, I'm easily pleased by expensive looking television.

1196
01:04:50.460 --> 01:04:53.219
Oh, this man with the nice tasty beard.

1197
01:04:53.280 --> 01:04:54.960
Unfortunately, I think he may be dead soon.

1198
01:04:55.019 --> 01:04:56.460
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1199
01:04:56.519 --> 01:04:56.880
Yeah.

1200
01:04:56.940 --> 01:05:01.440
Yeah, he's a very sort of boring white guy security guard, isn't he?

1201
01:05:01.500 --> 01:05:04.739
I guess he's a bit old or something. straight through the security field.

1202
01:05:04.800 --> 01:05:06.360
Yeah, yeah, yeah. strangles him.

1203
01:05:06.420 --> 01:05:09.599
Okay, so something's happening here. you go.

1204
01:05:09.659 --> 01:05:10.320
Yeah.

1205
01:05:10.380 --> 01:05:14.820
Did you think that they were going to somehow get the thing out of him then and he would survive at the end?

1206
01:05:14.880 --> 01:05:25.139
I think probably by now I thought that was not really likely, but I was certainly kind of, I was sort of going, oh, please, you know, like this can't, this is terrible.

1207
01:05:25.199 --> 01:05:26.039
This can't happen.

1208
01:05:26.099 --> 01:05:27.960
And because they immediately...

1209
01:05:28.019 --> 01:05:30.119
This is come from then, this sort of nasty streak.

1210
01:05:30.300 --> 01:05:36.059
Because Strangely Worlds, I mean, it has a few moments, but generally speaking, it's quite an optimistic show.

1211
01:05:36.119 --> 01:05:37.019
It is.

1212
01:05:37.079 --> 01:05:45.000
I think that they want to big the vezra up as being super evil and so they do it by having them kill someone that we really care about.

1213
01:05:45.059 --> 01:05:49.860
And they do that with a gone in series one with Hammer.

1214
01:05:50.159 --> 01:05:54.360
Shuttle to Kenfori, uh, which we did roll.

1215
01:05:54.420 --> 01:05:59.820
It's episode three, has these zombies attacking Mabanga and Pike, I think.

1216
01:05:59.880 --> 01:06:01.199
Is it Pike?

1217
01:06:01.260 --> 01:06:03.300
I can't remember who he goes down with now.

1218
01:06:03.360 --> 01:06:05.219
Probably not Pike actually.

1219
01:06:05.280 --> 01:06:08.639
And they're just exploding zombies.

1220
01:06:08.699 --> 01:06:11.639
Like, they just exploded as a show of strawberry jam.

1221
01:06:11.699 --> 01:06:13.199
Oh, did we watch that?

1222
01:06:13.199 --> 01:06:15.119
incredibly good.

1223
01:06:15.179 --> 01:06:17.039
I want to see Star Trek does the Walking Dead.

1224
01:06:17.099 --> 01:06:19.739
So glory. scared of zombies.

1225
01:06:19.800 --> 01:06:21.000
That's why we didn't do that.

1226
01:06:21.179 --> 01:06:23.699
I'm going to try and roll it next time.

1227
01:06:23.760 --> 01:06:24.360
You'll see.

1228
01:06:24.420 --> 01:06:26.820
Gangsters or zombies, anything but this.

1229
01:06:28.860 --> 01:06:42.960
But like, I suppose, if we're comparing, you're right, the hemmer version of this, killing off somebody we love that's been established for a few episodes, I mean, that was so moving.

1230
01:06:43.019 --> 01:06:46.139
It was because we were seeing it all through Celia's eyes.

1231
01:06:46.139 --> 01:06:49.019
She bright minded Celia's reaction.

1232
01:06:49.079 --> 01:06:52.260
This time I'm seeing it through my Benga's eyes and he looks a bit bored.

1233
01:06:52.320 --> 01:06:54.000
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1234
01:06:54.059 --> 01:06:57.179
But also, you know, Celia's a much more demonstrative.

1235
01:06:57.239 --> 01:07:06.239
And like that episode, like there is the relationship built up between Benga and and, um, and gamble.

1236
01:07:06.300 --> 01:07:12.840
But I think the relationship between Hammer, who's really sort of grumpy and gruff, but he really...

1237
01:07:12.900 --> 01:07:16.019
And yeah, yeah, there's something super touching about that.

1238
01:07:16.079 --> 01:07:17.880
Hammer's replacement.

1239
01:07:17.940 --> 01:07:18.900
Yeah.

1240
01:07:18.960 --> 01:07:21.300
Yeah, oh, what a shame because I love them both.

1241
01:07:21.360 --> 01:07:22.860
Can't we just put them in at the same time?

1242
01:07:22.920 --> 01:07:24.119
Yeah.

1243
01:07:24.300 --> 01:07:31.260
Well, I think the intention was always to kill Hammer, and then they wrote him back into the, into the previous episode.

1244
01:07:31.320 --> 01:07:38.099
Couldn't have done the Buffy thing where they realised, oh, shit, we've actually created a character that we'd love and we don't want to get rid of.

1245
01:07:38.159 --> 01:07:39.659
Yeah, yeah.

1246
01:07:39.719 --> 01:07:42.659
It's so great having a blind character as well.

1247
01:07:42.719 --> 01:07:43.980
Yeah, yeah, yeah. that's true.

1248
01:07:44.039 --> 01:07:46.679
Oh, yeah, look, look at that.

1249
01:07:46.739 --> 01:07:51.300
That literally looks like a shot from Doctor Who. 2 doors into a quarry.

1250
01:07:51.420 --> 01:07:53.579
It is literally that.

1251
01:07:53.639 --> 01:07:54.900
That's literally what it is.

1252
01:07:54.960 --> 01:07:56.820
So there's a physical prop on board.

1253
01:07:56.880 --> 01:08:01.860
They were able to bring a door down to the quarry so that we could shoot through.

1254
01:08:01.920 --> 01:08:02.699
So funny.

1255
01:08:02.760 --> 01:08:03.840
Oh, honestly, straight.

1256
01:08:03.900 --> 01:08:06.179
That's as cheap as you've got, strange new worlds, all right?

1257
01:08:06.960 --> 01:08:12.659
Okay, so now we're in this exciting scene where Pelia gets to do something like it.

1258
01:08:12.659 --> 01:08:14.219
Pelia shoots him in the back.

1259
01:08:14.280 --> 01:08:17.100
The only real suspense my idea was who is going to kill him.

1260
01:08:17.159 --> 01:08:18.960
I knew he was dead.

1261
01:08:19.020 --> 01:08:20.520
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1262
01:08:20.640 --> 01:08:21.840
I think by now I did too.

1263
01:08:21.899 --> 01:08:25.020
Kirk is Kirk with the moustache, isn't it?

1264
01:08:25.079 --> 01:08:26.760
My god, he's so pretty.

1265
01:08:26.819 --> 01:08:30.239
Yeah, that's Sam Kirk, of course, the brother.

1266
01:08:30.300 --> 01:08:31.079
Yeah.

1267
01:08:31.439 --> 01:08:34.079
Oh, no, but this guy's pretty as well.

1268
01:08:34.140 --> 01:08:37.500
Can't we find a way to, mind you. he's not got his eyes.

1269
01:08:37.560 --> 01:08:40.199
I mean, unless you're going to do Jordan La Forge again.

1270
01:08:40.260 --> 01:08:42.180
Yeah, yeah, they would have grown back.

1271
01:08:43.020 --> 01:08:49.500
I came through the room and he saw him wearing those specs and he went, oh, is this the Geordie La Forge origin story?

1272
01:08:49.560 --> 01:08:53.220
I went, no, it's like, no.

1273
01:08:54.840 --> 01:08:56.819
Much yuckier.

1274
01:08:57.119 --> 01:08:59.159
Oh, there we go.

1275
01:09:00.539 --> 01:09:03.060
I'm glad it was Pelia.

1276
01:09:03.119 --> 01:09:04.079
She's a woman of experience.

1277
01:09:04.140 --> 01:09:04.920
Oh, she's awesome.

1278
01:09:04.979 --> 01:09:05.460
She knows.

1279
01:09:05.520 --> 01:09:06.359
She's so great.

1280
01:09:06.420 --> 01:09:07.439
She's so good.

1281
01:09:07.500 --> 01:09:10.079
Oh, and the way that Scotty comes in.

1282
01:09:10.140 --> 01:09:11.880
I sort of grabs the thing.

1283
01:09:11.939 --> 01:09:14.520
Yeah, yeah, throws it up.

1284
01:09:15.840 --> 01:09:20.579
He has got that awkwardness down pat, that actor's playing school.

1285
01:09:20.640 --> 01:09:23.340
Like everything does is slightly comicable.

1286
01:09:23.399 --> 01:09:25.500
Oh my god, he's a comedian.

1287
01:09:25.560 --> 01:09:26.579
He's a comedian.

1288
01:09:26.640 --> 01:09:27.539
Well, he's crying.

1289
01:09:27.539 --> 01:09:28.319
The actor Martin.

1290
01:09:28.380 --> 01:09:30.300
He's really good. on Instagram.

1291
01:09:30.359 --> 01:09:31.439
Yeah, I think he's cute too.

1292
01:09:31.500 --> 01:09:33.180
They're a ridiculously hot cast.

1293
01:09:33.239 --> 01:09:34.020
I know.

1294
01:09:34.079 --> 01:09:34.619
That's it.

1295
01:09:34.680 --> 01:09:36.960
That's why we can't lose any love.

1296
01:09:37.020 --> 01:09:38.520
We can't lose these pretty people.

1297
01:09:38.640 --> 01:09:40.260
Well, we lost one.

1298
01:09:40.319 --> 01:09:45.960
You know, do you remember when we watched Voyager and like, you know, Jerry Ryan beams out of that car, doesn't she?

1299
01:09:46.020 --> 01:09:46.920
the absolute prettiest.

1300
01:09:46.979 --> 01:09:48.600
They're all Jerry Ryan's in this.

1301
01:09:48.659 --> 01:09:49.680
Yeah, yeah.

1302
01:09:49.739 --> 01:09:52.260
Oh, Garrett Wang standard pretty, aren't they?

1303
01:09:52.319 --> 01:09:54.479
Oh, when the hair falls over his face.

1304
01:09:54.539 --> 01:09:54.899
Yes.

1305
01:09:54.960 --> 01:09:56.579
Grief, yes.

1306
01:09:56.640 --> 01:10:00.720
Although, I was wondering, is Nurse Chapel and number one?

1307
01:10:00.779 --> 01:10:02.520
Are they both wearing wigs as well?

1308
01:10:02.579 --> 01:10:07.079
Nurse Chapel's got, no, number one's got massive hair in this episode.

1309
01:10:07.140 --> 01:10:11.640
Yeah, there's one scene where she has super, there's one episode.

1310
01:10:11.699 --> 01:10:20.460
It must be in series 2 where she has just the worst hair I've ever seen, and there was a production reason for it, and I can't remember. worse than Kira and emissary.

1311
01:10:20.520 --> 01:10:23.640
Oh, no, really. quite atrocious of war crime.

1312
01:10:23.699 --> 01:10:25.020
No, shockingly bad.

1313
01:10:25.079 --> 01:10:26.640
A war crime, say.

1314
01:10:26.699 --> 01:10:27.539
Yeah, yeah.

1315
01:10:27.600 --> 01:10:34.619
So yeah, this incredible speech from Hellia is so funny and it's like being delivered in a way.

1316
01:10:34.680 --> 01:10:35.939
It's so good.

1317
01:10:36.000 --> 01:10:41.220
And it's a proper speech that is then like it's under by the thing, like the heebie-jeebies thing.

1318
01:10:41.279 --> 01:10:50.100
But it's the camera thing, which is just a playback to the wonderful gag earlier where she was kind of looking straight in the camera and that obviously anticipates the game.

1319
01:10:50.159 --> 01:10:51.659
Malevolence.

1320
01:10:51.720 --> 01:10:55.439
The desire to malign to perform.

1321
01:10:55.500 --> 01:10:57.479
Well, no, you were sort of watching this guy.

1322
01:10:57.539 --> 01:11:00.239
This is way over the top. makes sense of it all.

1323
01:11:00.300 --> 01:11:00.960
Oh, right.

1324
01:11:00.960 --> 01:11:03.479
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1325
01:11:04.739 --> 01:11:06.899
Do you want me to do that again?

1326
01:11:08.880 --> 01:11:11.520
She is the best character in this.

1327
01:11:11.579 --> 01:11:12.479
I swear to you.

1328
01:11:12.659 --> 01:11:13.319
God.

1329
01:11:13.380 --> 01:11:14.520
She's so funny.

1330
01:11:14.579 --> 01:11:17.100
That actress was a gift to the cast.

1331
01:11:17.760 --> 01:11:20.760
Do you want one for the cat?

1332
01:11:20.760 --> 01:11:23.760
But look at Pike's reaction as well.

1333
01:11:23.819 --> 01:11:26.220
Pike gets to relax for once this episode.

1334
01:11:26.279 --> 01:11:28.079
Do you want one for the camera?

1335
01:11:28.140 --> 01:11:28.500
No.

1336
01:11:28.500 --> 01:11:29.159
Suit yourself.

1337
01:11:29.220 --> 01:11:32.399
No, yeah, but then we get a pike reaction, Sean.

1338
01:11:32.460 --> 01:11:34.319
Couldn't they have ended the episode there?

1339
01:11:34.380 --> 01:11:35.880
That would have been a wonderful way to go out.

1340
01:11:36.000 --> 01:11:43.199
So this, this is a great way to go out because obviously we have to establish that the Vesta still survived.

1341
01:11:43.260 --> 01:11:46.619
And so it does it by showing you the screen.

1342
01:11:46.680 --> 01:11:51.479
Notice that Dr. Mybang has learned from previous episodes of untitled Star Trek project.

1343
01:11:51.539 --> 01:11:53.399
You know what this is, don't you?

1344
01:11:53.460 --> 01:11:57.899
It's the end of, what's the episode where the Baulk signal's been sent out?

1345
01:11:57.960 --> 01:11:58.920
conspiracy.

1346
01:11:58.979 --> 01:12:00.359
It's the 80s.

1347
01:12:00.420 --> 01:12:07.319
There's that closing on the screen going because that Vesda got put in the patent buffer, so it's clearly escaped.

1348
01:12:07.380 --> 01:12:17.760
Joseph Obanger has learned from listening to previous episodes of Untitled Star Trek Project that calling the deceased's parents is really best done off camera.

1349
01:12:17.819 --> 01:12:18.600
That's right.

1350
01:12:19.199 --> 01:12:20.819
Well done, Mabenga.

1351
01:12:20.880 --> 01:12:21.119
Okay.

1352
01:12:21.180 --> 01:12:22.020
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1353
01:12:22.079 --> 01:12:25.859
Japanese, you know, we've had arch already, haven't we?

1354
01:12:25.920 --> 01:12:26.640
That's in the past.

1355
01:12:26.699 --> 01:12:27.060
Yeah.

1356
01:12:27.119 --> 01:12:36.960
So now I was just doing crash courses at university of how to how to phone parents and deliver the, you know, and not get to the point for 10 minutes.

1357
01:12:37.020 --> 01:12:38.159
Yeah, yeah.

1358
01:12:38.220 --> 01:12:39.779
We don't want to see him doing that.

1359
01:12:39.840 --> 01:12:46.439
Dana Gamble, which he was clearly saying for our benefit, because I think Gamble's parents know his name, probably.

1360
01:12:46.500 --> 01:12:50.760
At least when we watch those awkward moments, we do laugh.

1361
01:12:50.819 --> 01:12:54.060
Yeah, yeah, but nothing tense.

1362
01:12:54.119 --> 01:12:57.720
Which bit of fluid would you like from the bottom?

1363
01:12:57.779 --> 01:12:58.680
Yeah, that's right.

1364
01:12:58.739 --> 01:13:02.340
I've got some glasses, some plastic glasses that he quite liked near the air.

1365
01:13:02.399 --> 01:13:07.500
There's a bit of blood on it So you could do a DNA match and just know we're telling the truth.

1366
01:13:07.560 --> 01:13:09.720
Or the uniform, maybe?

1367
01:13:09.779 --> 01:13:10.859
That's covered in blood.

1368
01:13:11.100 --> 01:13:12.479
Yeah.

1369
01:13:12.479 --> 01:13:16.920
Well, I have to be really constituted and he'll be back.

1370
01:13:16.979 --> 01:13:18.420
I have to be honest with you.

1371
01:13:18.479 --> 01:13:20.699
I don't know if I've laughed less.

1372
01:13:20.699 --> 01:13:22.439
Strange New Worlds episode.

1373
01:13:22.560 --> 01:13:31.199
But as ever, watching alongside you, I've seen more worth than I did when I 1st watched it earlier.

1374
01:13:31.260 --> 01:13:33.359
I have to say I say slightly less.

1375
01:13:34.079 --> 01:13:36.600
Sorry, I'm so sorry.

1376
01:13:36.779 --> 01:13:39.659
It's just those...

1377
01:13:39.659 --> 01:13:41.279
Middle 30 minutes. in the middle.

1378
01:13:41.340 --> 01:13:42.239
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1379
01:13:42.300 --> 01:13:43.020
No, you're right.

1380
01:13:43.020 --> 01:13:45.420
But I mean, I'm just so used to spectacle and action.

1381
01:13:45.479 --> 01:13:51.300
I mean, that 2nd half of that Gord episode was non-stop action for 50 minutes, wasn't it?

1382
01:13:51.359 --> 01:13:51.899
Yeah.

1383
01:13:52.739 --> 01:13:55.619
Was that the one where you had, who was it, up in the Enterprise?

1384
01:13:55.680 --> 01:13:59.039
On the spaceship, sorry, that was completely falling apart?

1385
01:13:59.159 --> 01:14:01.079
and they were trying to get then spot was going in.

1386
01:14:01.140 --> 01:14:01.739
Was it Chapel?

1387
01:14:03.180 --> 01:14:04.260
yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1388
01:14:04.319 --> 01:14:05.699
That's right on board.

1389
01:14:06.359 --> 01:14:07.199
Marie's ship.

1390
01:14:07.260 --> 01:14:07.619
That's right.

1391
01:14:07.680 --> 01:14:08.460
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1392
01:14:08.520 --> 01:14:09.359
Yeah, amazing stuff.

1393
01:14:09.420 --> 01:14:13.739
I like to think maybe they sat round at sort of the offices and said, you know what, right?

1394
01:14:13.800 --> 01:14:16.859
Honestly, we've given those TNG fans nothing this year.

1395
01:14:16.920 --> 01:14:30.119
We've all done visual excitement and we've done action and we've done, you know, great high concepts and genuinely funny comedies and we know the TNG fans don't like that because TNG don't do it.

1396
01:14:30.180 --> 01:14:37.560
Let's give them one episode where they just go down on a planet, stand around for ages, talk about a space problem, and then leave.

1397
01:14:37.619 --> 01:14:39.720
And I think they achieve that adequately.

1398
01:14:39.779 --> 01:14:40.979
I think they do.

1399
01:14:48.840 --> 01:14:54.840
All right, it's the end of the episode, and it is time for us to work out where we're going next.

1400
01:14:54.960 --> 01:15:02.340
This one was my choice, and so you have the helm of the randomiser right now, Joe. Where are we going?

1401
01:15:02.399 --> 01:15:14.939
We're going right back to the beginning, although technically not because there are shows that come afterwards that are set before this, but the original series, if I may.

1402
01:15:14.939 --> 01:15:27.659
We haven't been there for a while, but I want to go back to the beginning and do something from season one. and now you've given me the opportunity to select as it last time, I only select season 3 and look where we ended up.

1403
01:15:27.720 --> 01:15:31.739
But season one, I think, is probably pretty great overall.

1404
01:15:31.800 --> 01:15:35.399
So there's a good chance we may get something good.

1405
01:15:35.460 --> 01:15:46.800
So last night, just to warn you, I did watch, as I said before, what our little girls made of, which is series one, and it was very boring.

1406
01:15:46.859 --> 01:15:47.640
Oh, okay.

1407
01:15:47.699 --> 01:15:50.880
Well, I mean, there's always that danger with TOS, isn't there?

1408
01:15:50.939 --> 01:15:51.779
There is.

1409
01:15:51.899 --> 01:15:54.300
Much like the episode we just watched.

1410
01:15:54.359 --> 01:15:56.220
They usually about 10 minutes too long, you know?

1411
01:15:56.279 --> 01:15:57.420
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1412
01:15:57.479 --> 01:15:58.680
All right.

1413
01:15:58.739 --> 01:15:59.880
Sure, don't we?

1414
01:15:59.939 --> 01:16:00.960
I think you should.

1415
01:16:01.020 --> 01:16:02.100
Okey-dokey.

1416
01:16:02.159 --> 01:16:03.119
Oh, no.

1417
01:16:03.180 --> 01:16:05.460
No, because you won't believe me that I click this.

1418
01:16:05.520 --> 01:16:06.420
So we're not doing it.

1419
01:16:06.479 --> 01:16:07.560
I'm going to go onto another one.

1420
01:16:07.619 --> 01:16:09.300
Tell me what you do.

1421
01:16:09.359 --> 01:16:12.420
It's season one, episode 28, city on the edge of forever.

1422
01:16:12.479 --> 01:16:16.979
But I know, but we can't do all the best episode.

1423
01:16:17.039 --> 01:16:18.180
We can't do all the best.

1424
01:16:18.180 --> 01:16:19.319
We'll be tough.

1425
01:16:19.319 --> 01:16:20.520
I bought the shit at the end.

1426
01:16:20.579 --> 01:16:21.659
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1427
01:16:21.720 --> 01:16:22.199
Come on.

1428
01:16:22.260 --> 01:16:23.579
All right, I'll press it again.

1429
01:16:23.880 --> 01:16:25.319
Oh.

1430
01:16:25.380 --> 01:16:26.039
Oh, dear.

1431
01:16:26.100 --> 01:16:27.539
What did you say that episode was called?

1432
01:16:27.600 --> 01:16:29.880
What are little girls made of?

1433
01:16:29.939 --> 01:16:30.899
Oh, press it again.

1434
01:16:31.619 --> 01:16:33.479
You did get it.

1435
01:16:34.199 --> 01:16:37.319
Turns out, he's a robot. episode 19.

1436
01:16:37.500 --> 01:16:38.939
Tomorrow is yesterday.

1437
01:16:39.000 --> 01:16:40.739
What the hell was that about?

1438
01:16:40.920 --> 01:16:49.439
Okay, the enterprise is held back in time to the 1960s where they become the centre of a US Air Force Pilots UFO investigation.

1439
01:16:49.500 --> 01:16:50.819
Oh, the 1960s again.

1440
01:16:50.880 --> 01:16:51.720
Let's come home.

1441
01:16:51.720 --> 01:16:52.739
Let's do it.

1442
01:16:52.800 --> 01:16:57.600
We had a sort of a visually sort of quite dark and drab episode this week.

1443
01:16:57.659 --> 01:16:59.760
Let's go back to the 60s.

1444
01:16:59.819 --> 01:17:01.199
It's going to be...

1445
01:17:01.260 --> 01:17:03.119
Is that the one where they're wearing gangster costumes?

1446
01:17:03.180 --> 01:17:07.560
No, that's called a piece of the action and that's on another planet.

1447
01:17:07.619 --> 01:17:11.159
How many times did I go to the 60s or 60s style planets?

1448
01:17:11.699 --> 01:17:13.439
I don't know.

1449
01:17:13.500 --> 01:17:18.960
I don't know, but this is, um, I don't think we actually go to the 60s very much here.

1450
01:17:19.020 --> 01:17:23.640
I think we're mostly on the sets of the Enterprise, but I don't know it very well.

1451
01:17:23.699 --> 01:17:25.380
Oh, I don't want to do it then.

1452
01:17:25.380 --> 01:17:26.279
I'm going to press it again.

1453
01:17:26.340 --> 01:17:27.000
Is that all right?

1454
01:17:27.060 --> 01:17:27.359
Okay.

1455
01:17:27.420 --> 01:17:28.979
John gives it 4 stars.

1456
01:17:29.100 --> 01:17:30.539
Oh here we go.

1457
01:17:30.600 --> 01:17:31.260
Well, try this.

1458
01:17:31.319 --> 01:17:33.180
This sounds like a comedy to me.

1459
01:17:33.300 --> 01:17:36.600
It's season one, episode six.

1460
01:17:36.659 --> 01:17:40.560
We can be promised some terrific misogyny in this episode.

1461
01:17:40.619 --> 01:17:42.119
Muds, women.

1462
01:17:42.239 --> 01:17:44.100
Oh my god.

1463
01:17:44.159 --> 01:17:44.819
Okay.

1464
01:17:44.880 --> 01:17:47.520
So that is the 1st Harry Mart episode.

1465
01:17:47.579 --> 01:17:55.260
We've done one Harry Mart episode, which was obviously magic to make the sanest man go mad from Star Trek Discovery series one.

1466
01:17:55.319 --> 01:17:58.260
That might be the best discovery episode we've done, you know?

1467
01:17:58.319 --> 01:17:59.279
It is pretty great.

1468
01:17:59.340 --> 01:18:00.359
It is pretty great.

1469
01:18:00.659 --> 01:18:10.920
So this is the 1st of 2 mud episodes in the original series, Muds, Women, and IMud.

1470
01:18:10.979 --> 01:18:16.619
And I think there's one in the inevitably in the animated series as well.

1471
01:18:16.680 --> 01:18:22.439
Have they been studied in academic texts as sort of great emancipating episodes?

1472
01:18:22.500 --> 01:18:25.140
No, no, not at all.

1473
01:18:25.199 --> 01:18:27.239
I think there's robots in them as well.

1474
01:18:27.300 --> 01:18:28.859
We love robots.

1475
01:18:28.920 --> 01:18:30.659
And we do like that.

1476
01:18:30.720 --> 01:18:32.520
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1477
01:18:32.579 --> 01:18:34.560
No, but I think they're robot ladies, actually.

1478
01:18:34.619 --> 01:18:37.979
Oh, please, it's not like Austin Powers.

1479
01:18:37.979 --> 01:18:40.739
If they've got like machine gun jublies, can't handle it.

1480
01:18:43.979 --> 01:18:45.899
How do you feel about this?

1481
01:18:45.960 --> 01:18:54.060
I mean, trepidation because it could be incred- no, it will be incredibly safe. embarrassingly sexy.

1482
01:18:54.119 --> 01:18:56.640
I think we might get some fun out of the regulars if they're in a comedy.

1483
01:18:57.180 --> 01:18:58.680
Yeah.

1484
01:18:58.739 --> 01:18:59.760
If it's a comedy.

1485
01:18:59.819 --> 01:19:00.600
Let's see how we go.

1486
01:19:00.659 --> 01:19:02.460
I don't know it very well.

1487
01:19:02.520 --> 01:19:03.600
I am prepared.

1488
01:19:03.659 --> 01:19:07.800
I signed up for this when I agreed to do a Star Trek podcast.

1489
01:19:07.859 --> 01:19:13.140
There was inevitably going to cover time where we did Man's Women, and so I think we should do it.

1490
01:19:13.199 --> 01:19:14.699
Yeah, let's do it.

1491
01:19:14.760 --> 01:19:18.840
We've already, have we covered the most sexist episodes of all the other shows?

1492
01:19:18.899 --> 01:19:20.819
I think we may have touched upon someone.

1493
01:19:20.939 --> 01:19:21.659
We did Angel one.

1494
01:19:21.720 --> 01:19:24.300
We did too, Angel.

1495
01:19:24.359 --> 01:19:28.680
I would say Meridian was pretty success from DS9, you know?

1496
01:19:28.739 --> 01:19:29.640
Yep, yeah.

1497
01:19:30.180 --> 01:19:31.800
Anything else?

1498
01:19:31.859 --> 01:19:34.319
I mean, hope she doesn't get anything to do.

1499
01:19:34.380 --> 01:19:36.479
Enterprise is just sexist every week.

1500
01:19:36.539 --> 01:19:46.319
Basically, any of the episodes where either Deanna or Beverly fall in love with a guest star, who is gross. is fairly sexist.

1501
01:19:46.380 --> 01:19:49.380
That's right, because it's never really the emphasis on them, is it?

1502
01:19:49.439 --> 01:19:50.819
Usually the blokes.

1503
01:19:50.880 --> 01:19:51.779
Yeah, yeah.

1504
01:19:51.779 --> 01:19:53.699
Or Riker, you know, or Picard.

1505
01:19:53.760 --> 01:19:55.619
Okay, well, muds women.

1506
01:19:55.680 --> 01:20:02.819
I think it will be camp and colourful, so that's a good start, but I'll go in expecting troubling things.

1507
01:20:10.319 --> 01:20:14.819
You've been listening to Untitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford and Nathan Bottomley.

1508
01:20:14.819 --> 01:20:21.000
We're online at untitledstar trekproject.com where you can find subscription links and links to our social media accounts.

1509
01:20:21.060 --> 01:20:26.579
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Ciceran, and the theme was composed by Cameron Lamb.

1510
01:20:26.640 --> 01:20:32.520
This episode was recorded on the 16th of June 2026 and released on the 19th of June.

1511
01:20:32.579 --> 01:20:37.020
We'll see you next time for Star Trek, the original series, Muds Women.

1512
01:20:55.079 --> 01:20:56.939
Oh, that was really mean.

1513
01:20:57.000 --> 01:20:57.479
I'm sorry.

1514
01:20:57.539 --> 01:21:00.060
No, I think you're right, though.

1515
01:21:00.119 --> 01:21:02.340
It is much more boring than I remember.

1516
01:21:02.399 --> 01:21:18.479
And I, I, I, like I just like hanging out with these people and I did like all of the character stuff at the beginning and end and like I was, you know, like I liked, you know, there's bits and pieces through there, but, but it is pretty lacking an incident.

1517
01:21:18.600 --> 01:21:19.619
We've done the two.

1518
01:21:19.680 --> 01:21:24.659
Now, the next discovery in Strange as Wells, we've got to do, I've got to be like really fun ones, you know?

1519
01:21:24.720 --> 01:21:27.119
Season finale or something. something like that.

1520
01:21:27.180 --> 01:21:28.619
Yeah, yeah, yeah, comedy.

1521
01:21:28.739 --> 01:21:31.260
We're a little ahead on the Strange Tree Worlds, but we won't be.

1522
01:21:31.680 --> 01:21:36.119
Because now we've done we've done three.

1523
01:21:36.180 --> 01:21:37.140
How many how many have we done?

1524
01:21:37.739 --> 01:21:39.539
Are you doing the thing?

1525
01:21:39.600 --> 01:21:40.319
I am.

1526
01:21:40.380 --> 01:21:40.680
I am.

1527
01:21:43.739 --> 01:21:45.720
And I'm selecting a season as well.

1528
01:21:45.779 --> 01:21:49.079
Ooh, let me go to the coverage page.

1529
01:21:49.739 --> 01:21:53.819
Oh, no, I should bring up Gemma.

1530
01:21:53.880 --> 01:21:56.399
Oh, now I'm getting angry.

1531
01:21:56.460 --> 01:21:58.380
I hope you didn't pick that up on the mic.

1532
01:21:58.439 --> 01:21:59.699
So, again, the episode.

1533
01:21:59.760 --> 01:22:01.319
I'm not rumbling.

1534
01:22:01.920 --> 01:22:07.020
So we've done 7 out of 7 out of 30 Strange 2 Worlds.

1535
01:22:07.079 --> 01:22:08.760
We did.

1536
01:22:09.659 --> 01:22:13.859
We did 4 in episode in season one.

1537
01:22:13.920 --> 01:22:18.180
We've done 2 in series one in series two.

1538
01:22:18.479 --> 01:22:21.960
No, 2 in series 2 because we did hedge many parts.

1539
01:22:22.020 --> 01:22:22.739
One or two.

1540
01:22:23.640 --> 01:22:33.300
Oh, I'm doing the picture, the the images gamble holding up the the thing before it just the 2nd before it explodes.

1541
01:22:33.359 --> 01:22:35.100
Oh, you couldn't you do one before?

1542
01:22:35.159 --> 01:22:36.000
I burnt out eyes.

1543
01:22:36.000 --> 01:22:37.020
No, I can't.

1544
01:22:37.020 --> 01:22:38.939
You don't want to look at that every time.

1545
01:22:39.000 --> 01:22:39.779
Yeah, that's right.

1546
01:22:41.039 --> 01:22:44.760
David Gillespie Pratt is obsessed with us at the moment.

1547
01:22:44.819 --> 01:22:46.979
When we did that new Avengers episode the other day.

1548
01:22:47.039 --> 01:22:48.180
Oh, God, I love doing that.

1549
01:22:48.239 --> 01:22:51.000
That's why I couldn't, I know he's Gambit, isn't he?

1550
01:22:51.119 --> 01:22:52.920
Oh, the new Avengers.

1551
01:22:53.039 --> 01:22:54.720
Okay, why can't you remember Gamble?

1552
01:22:54.720 --> 01:22:56.159
I just kept going.

1553
01:22:56.279 --> 01:23:00.060
She kept saying to me, I just can't get enough of a Starship project on the moment.

1554
01:23:00.119 --> 01:23:01.199
He goes, I'm going back.

1555
01:23:01.260 --> 01:23:05.100
He goes, oh, mostly I love the 90s trek ones the most because that's his Star Trek.

1556
01:23:05.880 --> 01:23:11.220
Yeah, yeah, yeah. he says he's been going right back to the misty dawns of where we started, you know, to choose.

1557
01:23:11.279 --> 01:23:17.220
He goes I Jimmy goes, I find the best on the worst episodes that I love or hey, to see if you guys agree with me.

1558
01:23:17.279 --> 01:23:23.640
And he said, it's the most he's ever enjoyed Twisted in his life, was listening to us talking about it.

1559
01:23:23.699 --> 01:23:25.380
So I think we're doing a service.

1560
01:23:26.220 --> 01:23:36.720
No, James just said, I just watched this episode of Enterprise, and it's directed by Roxanne, and she plays an evil computer that's trying to kill them all.

1561
01:23:39.060 --> 01:23:42.180
And he said, oh, and now it's a night in Sick Bay.

1562
01:23:42.239 --> 01:23:43.739
And I just said, that's the best.

1563
01:23:43.979 --> 01:23:46.619
Just wait till you see...

1564
01:23:46.619 --> 01:23:47.640
Well, I don't know.

1565
01:23:47.699 --> 01:23:48.300
He hasn't seen it.

1566
01:23:48.420 --> 01:23:49.199
He hadn't seen it yet.

1567
01:23:49.260 --> 01:23:52.500
He said, am I going mad or is Enterprise getting better?

1568
01:23:52.500 --> 01:23:53.399
and I think probably.

1569
01:23:53.460 --> 01:23:58.500
Oh, no, that middle of the season. that season is really terrible.

1570
01:23:58.619 --> 01:24:12.960
But I, I mean, I, that opening gag of Night in Sick Bay, where we slowly ban across them all oiling each other up in the decontamination...

1571
01:24:13.020 --> 01:24:14.340
It's the dog.

1572
01:24:14.399 --> 01:24:17.939
At the very end of it, they're doing the dog. that's so great.

1573
01:24:18.000 --> 01:24:20.279
Like absolutely making fun of themselves.

1574
01:24:21.180 --> 01:24:26.579
I know the joke was on him, but he was just unbearably awful in that, wasn't he, Archer?

1575
01:24:26.640 --> 01:24:27.840
Oh, yeah, yeah.

1576
01:24:27.899 --> 01:24:29.399
He was an arsehole. horrible.

1577
01:24:29.520 --> 01:24:31.979
No, I think that was, isn't that intentional?

1578
01:24:32.100 --> 01:24:32.640
was on him.

1579
01:24:32.699 --> 01:24:34.020
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1580
01:24:34.079 --> 01:24:35.340
It's not often now, is it?

1581
01:24:35.399 --> 01:24:37.079
Why do they do that?

1582
01:24:37.140 --> 01:24:39.119
I don't know why they think that.

1583
01:24:39.180 --> 01:24:43.140
Is there a captain that you dislike as much as Archer?

1584
01:24:43.199 --> 01:24:43.619
No.

1585
01:24:43.619 --> 01:24:44.520
Never.

1586
01:24:44.579 --> 01:24:46.560
I don't know why ever is sweaty.

1587
01:24:46.619 --> 01:24:52.079
I don't know if I ever dislike Cisco or Janeway ever.

1588
01:24:52.140 --> 01:24:58.619
There's things that they do that I don't agree with, but I don't think there's ever a point where I go, oh, you know, you're a cunt.

1589
01:24:58.680 --> 01:25:01.800
Like, I think Picard is sort of appealing generally.

1590
01:25:01.859 --> 01:25:02.760
Do you know what I mean?

1591
01:25:02.880 --> 01:25:04.859
Like he's, it's not, he's not fully there.

1592
01:25:04.859 --> 01:25:06.300
It takes a while.

1593
01:25:06.359 --> 01:25:07.020
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1594
01:25:07.079 --> 01:25:11.460
But, but, and then aren't just awful.

1595
01:25:11.880 --> 01:25:14.939
Walker is fantastic. the best.

1596
01:25:15.000 --> 01:25:16.140
So good.

1597
01:25:16.199 --> 01:25:17.699
So she was great.

1598
01:25:17.760 --> 01:25:18.539
Michael's great.

1599
01:25:18.600 --> 01:25:20.100
Rios.

1600
01:25:20.159 --> 01:25:22.319
Rios, yeah, he's really good.

1601
01:25:22.859 --> 01:25:24.899
And obviously coke.

1602
01:25:25.199 --> 01:25:27.000
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1603
01:25:27.060 --> 01:25:27.659
Mason.

1604
01:25:27.720 --> 01:25:28.800
Pike?

1605
01:25:28.859 --> 01:25:30.840
Pike's adorable.

1606
01:25:30.899 --> 01:25:32.699
Yeah, Pike's great.

1607
01:25:32.760 --> 01:25:35.340
Yeah, I like Pike for the same reason I like Cisco.

1608
01:25:35.399 --> 01:25:40.739
I think Avery is more intense, but they both have that congenial.

1609
01:25:40.800 --> 01:25:45.899
I'm going to make this feel like a family without stating that I'm making this feel like a family.

1610
01:25:46.319 --> 01:25:49.319
I love those scenes in his quarters where they're cooking.

1611
01:25:49.380 --> 01:25:51.840
You'll love that bit in equilibrium then.

1612
01:25:51.899 --> 01:25:59.039
The bit at the start week really, we invites everybody over for dinner and they've never all had like a proper cooked meal with real ingredients.

1613
01:25:59.100 --> 01:26:01.079
So he's getting everyone involved in the cooking.

1614
01:26:01.140 --> 01:26:06.239
And Odo's got the mixing bowl and he goes, no, Odo, you're doing it too fast.

1615
01:26:06.300 --> 01:26:08.159
Just flow with it.

1616
01:26:08.220 --> 01:26:14.220
So then you've got Renee going... with it.

1617
01:26:14.279 --> 01:26:15.479
It's so funny.

1618
01:26:15.539 --> 01:26:17.100
Oh, bless.

1619
01:26:17.520 --> 01:26:19.800
Which one's equilibrium?

1620
01:26:19.859 --> 01:26:21.180
It's not the best.

1621
01:26:21.239 --> 01:26:24.239
It's a Dax episode. you know, it's the one where we go to trill.

1622
01:26:24.300 --> 01:26:24.720
Is that one?

1623
01:26:24.779 --> 01:26:25.859
Oh okay.

1624
01:26:25.920 --> 01:26:30.239
Yeah, so that's the contractual obligation thing, but if you can do one, do it like that, you know.

1625
01:26:30.300 --> 01:26:31.380
It's really charming.

1626
01:26:31.739 --> 01:26:34.979
I was disappointed didn't get much to do this week.

1627
01:26:35.279 --> 01:26:38.520
Yeah, I did mean it though, but it was very pretty.

1628
01:26:38.640 --> 01:26:39.539
He looks really cute.

1629
01:26:39.600 --> 01:26:41.939
What's happening to me watching Star Trek?

1630
01:26:42.000 --> 01:26:43.260
I'm fancying all the women.

1631
01:26:43.319 --> 01:26:45.659
Ah, well.

1632
01:26:45.659 --> 01:26:48.359
All right, I've got it.

1633
01:26:48.420 --> 01:26:48.659
All right.

1634
01:26:48.659 --> 01:26:49.140
Do the thing.

1635
01:26:49.199 --> 01:26:52.199
I've got it and then I shall go and get myself some lunch.

1636
01:26:52.260 --> 01:26:55.199
I'm going to go and not do that.

1637
01:26:55.260 --> 01:26:56.340
I'm going to go to bed.

1638
01:26:56.460 --> 01:26:57.659
Right.

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All right, it's the end of the episode.