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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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Last time we watched, a charming episode of Star Trek Enterprise

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called Dead Stop, which was my choice, and I have to confess it

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all fell to pieces a bit at the sort of 25 minute mark.

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And so you took the reins of the randomiser in order to make up

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for the terrible mistake I'd made.

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And so this week we are watching Star Trek Voyager season two

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episode six, twisted.

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So my question for you is, Joe, what have you got to say for

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yourself?

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Well, usually on untitled Star Trek project, you know, the

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expectation is that we'll come along and watch an episode of Star

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Trek and along the franchise and make, hopefully, witty remarks

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and, you know, talk about the themes and the character.

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I can't be bothered to do that today, you know?

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I can't be asked.

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Let's not even put the episode on.

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Let's just improvise our way through this entire commentary and

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talk about whatever we like because twisted.

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Could be the episode of Star Trek.

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With the least amount of effort. has ever gone into writing a

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script.

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I mean, I question whether a script existed in the 1st place.

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Who the hell wrote this thing?

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So, the screenplay for this episode is credited to Kenneth Miller

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who has 35 writing credits on Star Trek Voyager.

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But it is based on a story by 2 people, Arnold Rudnick and Rich

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Hosek, who have no other Star Trek writing credits.

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Execute them.

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They took this pitch.

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They took this pitch.

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What if a wibbly thing ran its way through Voyager and everyone

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got lost in the corridors and went, oh my god, that's perfect for

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the end of series one.

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For God's sake.

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So clearly the money's run out.

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And the ideas are run out too.

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I have to say that I think that this is probably the worst episode

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of Star Trek that we've done so far.

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And I struggle to think of an episode that we haven't done that is

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less ambitious and less interesting than this.

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I agree wholeheartedly.

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I mean, we've done some shit episodes.

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We've done course oblivion.

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We've done threshold, done this.

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Manhole.

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Up the long ladder.

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March Faz.

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Night, Sick Bay is even better than this.

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Wonderful.

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That's a great episode.

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So, like, we've done a lot of dogs, but this is really, really

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unbelievably boring and unambitious, and it's not just the idea

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that's bad because you can actually still get an episode out of a

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bad idea or out of a really thin basic idea, but it is also just

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the execution.

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Like everyone, like just every interaction is horrifically bad.

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Everyone's not bothering.

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This is the best Roberts least favourite episode of Voyager. wise

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man.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I mean, there's just nothing to this.

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You know, like Jammer gave it like a star.

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But I mean, he's given things 0 stars, and this is worse than just

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about anything I can imagine.

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He definitely gave threshold 0 stars.

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And as much as that was loathsome to endure.

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How awful.

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It had an idea in it.

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Like, it wasn't a good idea.

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It was a bloody stupid idea.

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But it had no idea and it ran with it to the point where we had

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those salamanders. about the place here. absolutely memorable.

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They're just wondering the standing sits going.

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How do I get here?

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Oh, how do I get there?

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Oh, Janeway doesn't seem to have the ability to talk.

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Kate, just make something up.

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I mean, God's sake.

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So terrible.

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It came a point half an hour in where I messaged you and went, I

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just have Jettisoned so many IQ points at this point that I just

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can't watch anymore today.

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Like, I fear I may be brain dead at the end of the episode.

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So I'm going to wait until the last possible moment before we

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record to watch the last 15 minutes and I did achieve that.

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I did it just half an hour ago.

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So I had had a fairly bad night's sleep the night before last.

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And so yesterday when I lay down on the couch to watch it.

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I have to admit that I did kind of fall unconscious at that

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point.

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That was the best thing of the episode, let's be honest.

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It was pretty good.

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Yeah, it was nice.

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But I did go back and look at German's review and I realised that

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I missed a crucial interaction between Tuvok and Chakotay.

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Which I had seen the kind of follow-up to, but by the time the

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follow-up turned up, it was kind of like I'd lost any faith that

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anything needed to make any character sense or really be about

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anything at all by this point.

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So I thought, oh, something's happened, but I've just kind of been

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paying attention.

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But I did fall asleep during the climactic character battle.

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And then I watched that and it was just absolutely the limpest

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most miserable thing ever.

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I'm active. between Chakotay and Tuvok where they fight. 25

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seconds.

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Where, yeah, it does.

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It lasts 25 seconds.

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And I think, you know, those people who say that Star Trek, the

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Next Generation is boring because there's never conflict between

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the characters, need to be made aware, that conflict between the

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characters can be done in such a way that it is also incredibly

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boring.

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And so amazing.

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Don't you remember?

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Probably why I'll send to this god-forsaken place.

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You know, it can be funny.

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So the episode that I want to compare this to is disaster.

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Because disaster has the ship hit by the most low effort thing

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possible.

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We don't even have a special effect representing it.

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Is that a is that a cosmic string?

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No, is that even...

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Oh, I don't know.

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It is a contribuent?

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Another wibbly thing.

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And things happen to the characters and stuff, but the premise

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itself is just nothing at all.

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Like just nothing.

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But even though the characters are not well drawn.

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And even though the plot things, you know, Beverly and Geordie's

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plot has nothing to do with the characters, Riker and Data's plot

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has very little to do with the characters, there's still really

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fun, enjoyable things going on.

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And it's an absolute banger.

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It's a top tier episode.

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Oh, shocker.

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What does he say to that little moppet?

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You're the one in charge of... charge of radishes.

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And that terrible joke at the end when they come on the bridge and

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she gives him that cute look.

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Oh, please.

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I mean, we still laugh though, didn't we?

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It's wonderful.

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It's a great episode.

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And so you don't need an inventive premise.

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But you'd need to be aware that there are people at home who are

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going to watch this and are going to want to enjoy themselves.

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Oh, I mean, the so cool premise of Star Trek should be, right?

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Yeah.

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Your default position at the start of this, right?

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I'm really tired and I'm not in the best of moods.

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So I want to watch an episode of Star Trek to make me feel better

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and divert me, you know, and amuse me a little bit, not have the

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opposite effect where you're reaching for bloody antidepressants

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at the end of it because you've got so much work.

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But the one I want to compare this to is I'm glad you went TNG

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because I went, obviously, TS9. is civil defence, which is another

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one all on the standing sets with the core cast and a couple of

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the semi-regulars, Garak and Dukat, where our usual sets are

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basically turned into a trap.

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And that's basically what happens here, right?

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is that they're is amazed and they can't get out of in that, the

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trap is everything's trying to kill them in every scene.

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So there's gas coming out.

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Gold, you cuts, messages, you've got bloody phase of fire, all

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over opts.

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You've got Garak, you know, um, coming down and and uh, on Kira

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and Ducat and how much they flirt with each other.

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Yeah, you've got Ojo and Quarks stuck in the security office.

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I mean, it's such a banger.

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And it's like this.

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The premise is so thin.

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The resolution is so easy at the end, you know?

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But it's so enjoyable to watch.

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And I know this is early, but they have delivered great stuff with

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these characters already in series one.

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We've done state of flux.

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We, uh, either the needle.

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You know what I mean?

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These characters have huge potential.

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I mean, it was all there in caretaker.

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So why?

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Why in this episode where we're wandering around for 45 minutes

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doing nothing?

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Are we exploring these characters in some kind of a profound way?

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The mystery?

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They think the mystery is interesting enough to keep us watching

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in this.

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Yeah.

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I mean, I think they're trying to do character stuff, but the

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character stuff is all awful, not entertaining.

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Oh, God.

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Yeah.

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I mean, they realise pretty quickly that Neelix being jealous just

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makes him an asshole.

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Two years takes him.

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Two years.

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Yeah, but but like not just an asshole, but like a really, really

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loathsome person.

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Like someone who's like that is a bad guy.

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And that's Ethan Phillips, who, you know, is super likeable as a

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performer.

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And when they ditch it, Neelix is great, but he's unpleasant to

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watch in this.

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Well, he's not only sort of trying to be controlling, but he's

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sort of peppering that with all of this.

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Hello, sweeting and all of this. creepy as well.

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And he's pointing out how very young she is in this episode as

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well.

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So he comes across as a bit as a pedo.

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So I just don't really know what they're going forward with this

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character at the moment apart from just being ick.

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Yeah, yeah.

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No, I mean, it's just miserable all around.

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And we've talked about Voyager banter and how bad it is.

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Here it's, you know, like much worse than usual, I think.

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You're going up against the wall as well, right?

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It's really really atrocious.

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I knew, I knew as soon as it started, then that party here, and

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they were all, you know, making agonising jokes.

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I could just see you there going, oh God, this is where we're

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starting.

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And it just gets worse.

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Wow, I can't wait.

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Let's go as you go in.

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I'm sorry.

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All right. will count us in.

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Vroom, here goes.

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Five, four, three, two, one, and we are off.

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To be fair, okay.

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We did get our knickers in a twist, didn't we?

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I said that last week. did.

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He did.

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Now, here's a corridor, setting the scene for the entire episode.

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Can I just say that Kes's boots are fucking magnificent in this.

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She has massive thigh high boots that look great.

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Can I also say that Shea Sondrine is not a bad setting?

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No, it's great.

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I mean, it looks very atmospheric.

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Look at how nicely it's lit. by the fire and the candles and

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everything.

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It is great, but they somehow make it boring in this episode.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I mean, I would rather have a party here than in those boring gray

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voyager say this, wouldn't you?

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Yeah, yeah, like the mess hall or something.

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What do you think's in all those presents?

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I don't know.

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Oh, boring.

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So, two. nappies, probably.

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Suda cream.

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Oh, I'm so sorry if we start off.

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Oh, no, I found it exhilarating.

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Oh God.

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Jesus Christ.

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She's got a terrible wig too.

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This is funny.

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Now, the doctor is the only one who comes out of this not

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completely embarrassing himself, I think.

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And even he hates the episode.

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Yeah, even he hates the episode.

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But he is kind of charming, I think.

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I'm worried about that punch, you know.

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I wonder if there might be something slipped in there.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Can we just liven this party up a bit with some?

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Yeah, but you're giving it to a two-year-old, for God's sake.

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And that, you know, that thing, like who thought this was a

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fucking good idea?

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So you don't look a day over one and you just sort of think, oh

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please, I mean, having sex with her.

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Stop it.

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Who saw that line?

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Unfortunately, oh, yeah, that's an amusing guy.

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Felix is fucking a two-year-old.

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Oh, no, this bit.

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You told me you thought this film was pretty good where Harry

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Kim's like an excited puppy like, please let me go to the party

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Tuvok.

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Yeah, so I thought this is sort of early Voyager and stuff and

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look how young Garrett looks.

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Bless him.

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Jesus, sweetie.

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And you kind of think, oh, you know, maybe because it hasn't gone

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to shit yet, right?

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It's just normal crap, Voyager banter.

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We had a great moment with the doctor for a 2nd and it was kind of

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nice seeing him out of the sick bay at this point in the show.

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Good grief.

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What's that?

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Stranger. to come in towards forward.

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That's right It's a sort of gray wibbly cloud.

295
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Actually, no, Wibbly would be too exciting a word, I think.

296
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Yeah.

297
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Well, remember, we mentioned we mentioned Red Dwarf last time and

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their famous line, you know, swirly thing alert.

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This is a swirly thing alert. is a swirly thing.

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This cake is really upsetting.

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I think it all takes on Star Trek like this.

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I mean, apparently it's 15 layers of Jabalian fudge there, you

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know.

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But actually, it just looks like a candle to me.

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Like if you look, yeah, that's right.

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But I think you've said this before about a Star Trek cake.

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Two candles.

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It's been sprayed like stars, looks.

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It looks like...

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Oh, God.

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But so the cake is then used as a as a character point because Tom

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Paris buys, sorry, replicates Kez a necklace.

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He goes, well, you may have replicated that necklace, but I have

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made... 50 layers of fudge, right?

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Oh, shut up.

316
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I mean my red flag.

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My warning signs will be going off with Ilix, like, all the time.

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Yeah, I know.

319
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Yeah.

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No, what I think, one of my favourite things that Voyager ever

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does is they just break them up between episodes so we don't have

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to see it and we just learn, oh, yeah, we broke up since last

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week's episode and now I'm off to do Warlord and I'm going to be

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fucking amazing in it.

325
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What's funny is they break them up and then make her look like a

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woman.

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Almost immediately afterwards, they give her the long hair and she

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looks great.

329
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I mean, I quite like her elfin look, but it's a bad wig.

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This wig is bad.

331
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Later on it gets better.

332
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This is about...

333
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If it's Mohawk is a terrible week as well at this point.

334
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I like it.

335
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Well, he's just got the long hair later, you know?

336
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Yeah, yeah.

337
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Alright.

338
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Why doesn't Shakotay say to Nilix, Nilix, stop being such a

339
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jealous cunt, all right?

340
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And just let her enjoy her party.

341
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I didn't mind that line where he said, oh, I think he did a lovely

342
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job wrapping it.

343
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Do you know what I mean?

344
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Like I thought, okay, that's trying to do something.

345
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Oh, God.

346
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Will Chevok ever get the word phenomenon out before the titles

347
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kick in?

348
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I dont think he will.

349
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No, no.

350
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But again, that's something that we haven't heard the sound

351
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distort, blah, blah, blah, at least it's something.

352
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I don't know.

353
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You know?

354
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Well, so as a sort of pre-title sequence with Nathan Bottomley's

355
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rule of Star Trek pre-title sequences.

356
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Is that saying what we're getting?

357
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Like, yeah, just a bunch of random shit.

358
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People just standing around.

359
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It already exists.

360
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Yeah. sort of half-assed bizarre things happen.

361
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Well, so that isn't even where we go because I counted and for

362
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more than maybe it's more than half of the run.

363
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What actually happens here is something happens to the ship that

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changes its layout, but we as the audience never see it.

365
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And so what happens instead is we see people walking around the

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corridors saying that the layout has changed and that they've got

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lost.

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And so essentially this is a Star Trek episode that the audience

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never sees happening, that all that happens is the dialogue.

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We're being told that we're getting lost by the characters who are

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walking around the standing set.

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We don't have the money to show you what's happening.

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Just tell you.

374
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Nothing is happening as far as we, the audience are concerned.

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There's no attempt by the director to make the space weird or

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threatening.

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It's all just shot normally, and it is just everyone walking

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around the standing set saying we're lost, and nothing fucking

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happens.

380
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Like nothing happens.

381
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This is not a Star Trek episode happening at all.

382
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We're being told about a Star Trek episode that's happening off

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screen somewhere.

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It's like the jackanori of Star.

385
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Put your headphones in, everybody, and listen to all the weird

386
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things that are happening in Twisted today.

387
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Yeah, because you don't need the pictures.

388
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And so that for me is the biggest crime that this commits, that it

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doesn't attempt to be a Star Trek episode.

390
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It doesn't attempt to look interesting.

391
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It doesn't attempt to distinguish itself.

392
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It has no ambitions beyond staying alive until the end of the

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runtime.

394
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You can usually guarantee that, right?

395
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Like, I don't know, something like, um, do you know, distant

396
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voices where Bashir's in his own head for the whole episode

397
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obviously, represented by the standing seas.

398
00:18:40.019 --> 00:18:41.160
Yeah, as usual.

399
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But they're sort of falling apart as he's getting older and all

400
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you know what I mean?

401
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tennis balls falling out of consoles.

402
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They're showing you stuff all through the episode, you know?

403
00:18:50.880 --> 00:18:52.500
Actually, I didn't think about it like that.

404
00:18:52.559 --> 00:18:55.319
Yeah, because I think that's where I was going, whoa, is this any

405
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different from usual because normally we walk from that corridor

406
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into the turbo lift and normally we walk from the corridor into

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engineering.

408
00:19:02.700 --> 00:19:04.019
Exactly.

409
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There's no sense in a Star Trek show.

410
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There's nearly no sense of any of those spaces being related to

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one another in any way.

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You know, like by the time discovery comes, they can't even be

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bothered to walk from place to place.

414
00:19:16.799 --> 00:19:19.200
They just do the side to side transport all over the place.

415
00:19:19.319 --> 00:19:22.740
But, you know, there's a corridor outside a set, and there's

416
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various places, and we never have a sense of how they're

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connected.

418
00:19:25.140 --> 00:19:27.420
And so when that's disrupted.

419
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It turns out it makes no difference to us at all because that's an

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aspect of the ship that is completely invisible to the audience

421
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and always has been.

422
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And so someone who had a sense of what Star Trek was like should

423
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have actually said, actually, this episode isn't about anything

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happening because these places don't have a relationship to each

425
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other.

426
00:19:46.680 --> 00:19:50.700
How can there be such a dearth of ideas in your 1st season?

427
00:19:50.759 --> 00:19:53.700
Like, surely this is the point where you're going, oh, we could

428
00:19:53.700 --> 00:19:55.019
try this and we could do that.

429
00:19:55.079 --> 00:19:56.940
You know, like, yeah, yeah.

430
00:19:57.720 --> 00:19:58.680
This isn't an idea.

431
00:19:58.740 --> 00:19:59.579
Yeah?

432
00:19:59.640 --> 00:20:01.440
This isn't...

433
00:20:01.500 --> 00:20:05.039
It's a load of actors wandering around sets going, oh, I can't get

434
00:20:05.039 --> 00:20:06.420
where I need to be, you know.

435
00:20:06.480 --> 00:20:07.920
Yes, that's it.

436
00:20:08.039 --> 00:20:13.380
So again, this guy, this fucking guy...

437
00:20:13.500 --> 00:20:16.500
They're trying to they're trying to make this guy happen.

438
00:20:16.559 --> 00:20:18.420
He's in eye of the needle.

439
00:20:18.480 --> 00:20:23.039
He's in the 37s and he gets mentioned in the 2nd last episode of

440
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season one of prodigy.

441
00:20:25.500 --> 00:20:27.359
Did he tell him?

442
00:20:27.420 --> 00:20:31.920
No, he is serving aboard the USS Dorkless.

443
00:20:31.980 --> 00:20:33.539
Oh, I love he's in Sick Bay.

444
00:20:33.599 --> 00:20:36.119
Walter Buck, nice to know you are the future.

445
00:20:36.180 --> 00:20:38.160
He did have a future.

446
00:20:38.220 --> 00:20:39.960
So he's only in 3 episodes.

447
00:20:40.019 --> 00:20:42.480
He does make it home to the Alpha Quadrant.

448
00:20:42.960 --> 00:20:45.660
He a bit like Primun in DS 9.

449
00:20:45.720 --> 00:20:49.079
The guy they bring in in series one to sort of rub butt heads with

450
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Odo.

451
00:20:49.619 --> 00:20:51.779
I think he only does 2 episodes and they realise...

452
00:20:51.839 --> 00:20:54.480
Oh, shit, he's terrible. to do him anymore.

453
00:20:54.539 --> 00:20:57.000
Three episodes you got, you say.

454
00:20:57.059 --> 00:20:58.500
I mean, so that's just shows you.

455
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I've watched all those 3 episodes and I couldn't remember him when

456
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I watched this.

457
00:21:03.000 --> 00:21:04.799
Oh, look.

458
00:21:04.799 --> 00:21:06.059
Stop trying to make...

459
00:21:06.059 --> 00:21:07.380
It's his body language.

460
00:21:07.380 --> 00:21:10.259
Now, yeah, it is a beautiful necklace, isn't it?

461
00:21:10.319 --> 00:21:10.559
Yeah.

462
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Oh, how is it you know that men exist on this deck, Kez?

463
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Tell me, see this.

464
00:21:16.740 --> 00:21:18.240
Oh, this is terrible. ugly.

465
00:21:18.299 --> 00:21:20.819
It's really offensive, isn't it?

466
00:21:20.880 --> 00:21:23.400
Why do you know where Hargroves quarters are?

467
00:21:23.460 --> 00:21:24.779
Is it because you're fucking him?

468
00:21:24.839 --> 00:21:26.640
You know, like, and he never comes out.

469
00:21:26.700 --> 00:21:30.539
It's like literally having sex with everyone on this floor, aren't

470
00:21:30.539 --> 00:21:30.660
you?

471
00:21:31.380 --> 00:21:34.740
Should somebody be having this conversation with Dax?

472
00:21:34.799 --> 00:21:35.160
Fair enough.

473
00:21:35.220 --> 00:21:36.000
She probably has.

474
00:21:36.059 --> 00:21:36.839
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

475
00:21:36.900 --> 00:21:40.259
It's awful and she's not like that.

476
00:21:40.319 --> 00:21:43.319
She deserves better than that and he's just a dickhead.

477
00:21:43.380 --> 00:21:48.059
But I feel like it's worse because she is a child and naive and

478
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hasn't had experiences.

479
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She thinks this, this is normal.

480
00:21:52.380 --> 00:21:53.880
It's the best that it gets.

481
00:21:53.940 --> 00:21:57.000
No, I'm glad in series 3 where she goes, actually, do you know

482
00:21:57.000 --> 00:21:57.299
what?

483
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I think there's better, hotter, less jealous men out there than

484
00:22:00.779 --> 00:22:01.079
you.

485
00:22:01.559 --> 00:22:04.140
Who is this fucking guy too?

486
00:22:04.200 --> 00:22:07.920
Don't even start me on the moments they try and make funny in this

487
00:22:07.920 --> 00:22:08.400
episode.

488
00:22:08.759 --> 00:22:10.920
So I mean, it's not this bit.

489
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There is a bit later, isn't it?

490
00:22:12.359 --> 00:22:16.559
Where Torres opens the door and there's a half naked man there and

491
00:22:16.559 --> 00:22:18.059
it's so awkward.

492
00:22:18.119 --> 00:22:20.460
It should be hilarious.

493
00:22:20.519 --> 00:22:24.299
But it's the 1st time that we see any evidence.

494
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Do you know what I mean?

495
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Like she opens the door of engineering and it gives that onto

496
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someone's quarters.

497
00:22:29.279 --> 00:22:30.059
Yeah.

498
00:22:30.119 --> 00:22:34.019
Like she just walked down a corridor and came into the mess hall

499
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and then just went, wow, something incredible's happening.

500
00:22:37.380 --> 00:22:39.960
It's just like, you just turned the corner into a mess hole.

501
00:22:40.019 --> 00:22:40.980
You do that every episode.

502
00:22:41.099 --> 00:22:44.819
Like this episode, the conceit is you get to be surprised by

503
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that.

504
00:22:45.119 --> 00:22:49.559
Now, she's literally wandering this corridor while a camera is

505
00:22:49.559 --> 00:22:53.759
stationary and go going, oh, that no, hang on a minute.

506
00:22:53.819 --> 00:22:54.420
Is that code?

507
00:22:54.480 --> 00:22:55.920
Oh, what?

508
00:22:55.980 --> 00:22:57.000
Just show us something.

509
00:22:57.059 --> 00:22:59.160
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

510
00:22:59.220 --> 00:23:00.960
Baxter again.

511
00:23:01.019 --> 00:23:03.000
He's made it to the transporter bay.

512
00:23:03.900 --> 00:23:05.880
Oh my god.

513
00:23:06.000 --> 00:23:09.240
He looks like the sort of man that will turn up in every show in

514
00:23:09.240 --> 00:23:10.440
America. doesn't he?

515
00:23:10.500 --> 00:23:11.700
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

516
00:23:11.759 --> 00:23:12.539
And he works out.

517
00:23:12.599 --> 00:23:14.220
That's his one character fit.

518
00:23:14.279 --> 00:23:15.839
He was working out in the gym.

519
00:23:15.960 --> 00:23:17.640
And yeah, it doesn't look like it.

520
00:23:17.700 --> 00:23:19.799
He looks how he works out as much as I do.

521
00:23:19.859 --> 00:23:20.759
Yeah.

522
00:23:21.000 --> 00:23:23.279
To a young leaf, bro.

523
00:23:23.579 --> 00:23:27.059
Like, like, this is just ridiculous.

524
00:23:27.119 --> 00:23:30.359
They are all talking about what they're experiencing, but we don't

525
00:23:30.359 --> 00:23:30.900
get to see it.

526
00:23:31.680 --> 00:23:34.200
It may as well be a radio play.

527
00:23:34.259 --> 00:23:35.700
Like, what's going on?

528
00:23:36.119 --> 00:23:38.160
is a radio play.

529
00:23:38.220 --> 00:23:39.119
I think.

530
00:23:39.180 --> 00:23:44.819
Like, because it's just so staggeringly visually unambitious, isn't

531
00:23:44.819 --> 00:23:44.940
it?

532
00:23:45.000 --> 00:23:49.500
Like, there is no attempt to make this look weird in any way.

533
00:23:49.559 --> 00:23:51.599
And Voyager gets really good at that.

534
00:23:51.660 --> 00:23:56.819
We did the haunted of deck 12, not so long ago, which was as thin

535
00:23:56.819 --> 00:23:58.680
and as shit as this.

536
00:23:58.740 --> 00:24:03.720
But they pumped the sets full of dry ice and red submarine

537
00:24:03.720 --> 00:24:06.599
lighting and weird angles with the cameras.

538
00:24:06.599 --> 00:24:07.500
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

539
00:24:07.559 --> 00:24:08.400
What's going on here?

540
00:24:08.460 --> 00:24:10.980
So this is Judy Geason.

541
00:24:11.039 --> 00:24:13.619
Sondrine and she does a few episodes here.

542
00:24:13.680 --> 00:24:17.579
And she's English, I think, and she is...

543
00:24:17.579 --> 00:24:18.420
She's an episode.

544
00:24:19.440 --> 00:24:19.859
Look at her.

545
00:24:19.920 --> 00:24:20.700
Yeah, yeah.

546
00:24:20.759 --> 00:24:23.160
I did like her line playing doctor.

547
00:24:23.220 --> 00:24:25.259
Like, what's, what are you, doctor, what are you doing here?

548
00:24:25.319 --> 00:24:28.140
And she turns to Harry and goes playing doctor, which I thought

549
00:24:28.140 --> 00:24:28.619
was pretty good.

550
00:24:28.680 --> 00:24:29.819
All right, Bob.

551
00:24:29.880 --> 00:24:34.079
He's got nowhere left, but what he has got is...

552
00:24:34.140 --> 00:24:38.039
But she is in an episode of Space 1999 called Another Time, Another

553
00:24:38.039 --> 00:24:40.920
Place, which is a pretty good and pretty weird episode of Space

554
00:24:40.920 --> 00:24:41.819
1999.

555
00:24:42.359 --> 00:24:45.660
And in memory of that, I'm going to compare a moment in this

556
00:24:45.660 --> 00:24:50.039
episode that comes later to something that happens in a very good

557
00:24:50.039 --> 00:24:51.900
episode of Space 1999.

558
00:24:52.079 --> 00:24:55.140
It's similar to that, the scene from Space 1999.

559
00:24:55.319 --> 00:24:57.240
Only not good in any way.

560
00:24:57.299 --> 00:25:01.740
Can't we skip over to your Space 1999 podcast and do that this

561
00:25:01.740 --> 00:25:02.700
week instead of this?

562
00:25:05.339 --> 00:25:07.440
What are they talking about now?

563
00:25:07.500 --> 00:25:09.660
Oh, I don't have the time to help you right now, doctor.

564
00:25:09.720 --> 00:25:10.500
Wait a minute.

565
00:25:10.559 --> 00:25:11.279
Where are you going?

566
00:25:11.339 --> 00:25:12.059
I don't know.

567
00:25:12.119 --> 00:25:13.200
I can't get anywhere.

568
00:25:13.259 --> 00:25:13.740
Oh, please.

569
00:25:13.799 --> 00:25:14.880
Oh my god.

570
00:25:15.299 --> 00:25:19.259
I mean, Bob there with lipstick all over his face too is pretty

571
00:25:19.259 --> 00:25:19.619
great.

572
00:25:19.680 --> 00:25:21.240
And we probably haven't done that yet.

573
00:25:21.299 --> 00:25:22.259
Do you know what I mean?

574
00:25:22.319 --> 00:25:23.519
That's something new for Bob.

575
00:25:23.579 --> 00:25:26.759
I was actually kind of surprised and delighted to see him in the

576
00:25:26.759 --> 00:25:30.119
bartender's outfit in the bar, not in his uniform.

577
00:25:30.180 --> 00:25:31.440
I thought that was kind of nice.

578
00:25:31.680 --> 00:25:33.599
I mean, just anything.

579
00:25:33.660 --> 00:25:37.200
I'm sort of scratching my head now for like, okay, we're lost in

580
00:25:37.200 --> 00:25:38.400
the Delta quadrant.

581
00:25:38.460 --> 00:25:40.019
We're lost in the ship.

582
00:25:40.079 --> 00:25:41.519
Could we do something with that?

583
00:25:41.579 --> 00:25:45.420
And that's me giving this 5 seconds fall, you know?

584
00:25:45.480 --> 00:25:50.099
But even just trying to make the thing look odd.

585
00:25:50.160 --> 00:25:51.059
Do you know what I mean?

586
00:25:51.119 --> 00:25:54.180
Like, turn the lights down, do something, like make it weird.

587
00:25:54.240 --> 00:25:56.039
Think about Genesis.

588
00:25:56.099 --> 00:25:57.000
Do you know what I mean?

589
00:25:57.059 --> 00:26:00.960
How atmospheric, the those terrible emperors...

590
00:26:01.019 --> 00:26:02.880
Such a good episode.

591
00:26:02.880 --> 00:26:04.200
I mean, I hate it.

592
00:26:06.000 --> 00:26:08.579
Only a few months before this.

593
00:26:08.579 --> 00:26:12.240
Do you remember the peaks of Meridian?

594
00:26:12.299 --> 00:26:13.619
Oh, wonderful times.

595
00:26:13.619 --> 00:26:19.259
Again, like even episodes that were outright stupid or kind of

596
00:26:19.259 --> 00:26:22.380
offensive, you know, things that made us cross.

597
00:26:22.440 --> 00:26:24.359
This is worse than all of them.

598
00:26:24.420 --> 00:26:26.579
Why does he call her sweeting?

599
00:26:26.700 --> 00:26:29.400
I know, it's all right.?

600
00:26:29.400 --> 00:26:31.559
that I don't know.

601
00:26:31.619 --> 00:26:33.359
It just sounds like grooming. language to me.

602
00:26:33.420 --> 00:26:35.880
A space term of endearment, isn't it?

603
00:26:35.940 --> 00:26:36.539
Oh, is that right?

604
00:26:37.500 --> 00:26:38.759
Oh, boy, boy.

605
00:26:38.819 --> 00:26:39.960
Poor Neelix.

606
00:26:40.079 --> 00:26:40.440
Oh okay.

607
00:26:40.500 --> 00:26:42.420
Oh, we haven't gone up this bit of the corridor.

608
00:26:42.480 --> 00:26:46.380
Let's go that way And that, like he just is obnoxious.

609
00:26:46.500 --> 00:26:48.420
But look, he's...

610
00:26:48.480 --> 00:26:49.440
He's aggressive.

611
00:26:49.500 --> 00:26:50.460
You know what I mean?

612
00:26:50.519 --> 00:26:52.019
I'm going to hurt somebody.

613
00:26:52.079 --> 00:26:52.619
They come near.

614
00:26:52.740 --> 00:26:53.339
Oh god.

615
00:26:53.400 --> 00:26:55.380
Bilana, shouldn't you be an engineering?

616
00:26:55.440 --> 00:26:56.819
Where is he?

617
00:26:56.880 --> 00:26:59.099
But I'm stuck in this one corridor like you are.

618
00:26:59.700 --> 00:27:02.279
I mean, there's a bit later, right?

619
00:27:02.339 --> 00:27:05.759
There's a bit later where they all converge on the same bit of

620
00:27:05.759 --> 00:27:06.299
corridor.

621
00:27:06.359 --> 00:27:08.160
I mean, it's always the same bit of corridor.

622
00:27:08.220 --> 00:27:09.119
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

623
00:27:09.180 --> 00:27:12.240
And I was like, you should have been running in and out of doors

624
00:27:12.240 --> 00:27:13.380
like a French farce here.

625
00:27:13.440 --> 00:27:14.220
This could be very funny.

626
00:27:14.339 --> 00:27:16.259
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

627
00:27:16.319 --> 00:27:17.519
There's one moment.

628
00:27:17.579 --> 00:27:18.779
There is one moment.

629
00:27:18.839 --> 00:27:22.380
One actual moment where they think, and it's like half an hour in

630
00:27:22.380 --> 00:27:25.559
where Tuvok walks off one way and comes in the other way, and you

631
00:27:25.559 --> 00:27:27.900
kind of think, wow, that was fucking cheap to do.

632
00:27:27.960 --> 00:27:33.299
You didn't think of doing that before. you know, snuggering

633
00:27:33.299 --> 00:27:33.720
honestly.

634
00:27:33.779 --> 00:27:35.519
Oh, so boring.

635
00:27:35.640 --> 00:27:36.960
This is so bad.

636
00:27:37.019 --> 00:27:38.700
This is the...

637
00:27:38.700 --> 00:27:40.740
They're all in the same corridor. all there.

638
00:27:40.799 --> 00:27:42.839
Does anyone know how to get to the bridge?

639
00:27:42.960 --> 00:27:45.420
But hang on, they're in the corridor, but they can go back to the

640
00:27:45.420 --> 00:27:46.259
holodeck.

641
00:27:46.500 --> 00:27:49.920
No, everywhere's leading to the holiday because it's in the middle

642
00:27:49.920 --> 00:27:51.180
of the ship, I think.

643
00:27:51.240 --> 00:27:53.160
And so there's a there's a thing.

644
00:27:53.220 --> 00:27:53.759
Yeah.

645
00:27:53.819 --> 00:27:55.799
I mean, how fun would it be?

646
00:27:55.859 --> 00:27:59.700
If, um, you know, they don't have the money to do this, but

647
00:27:59.700 --> 00:28:03.240
imagine avoid a discovery style drone camera, right?

648
00:28:03.299 --> 00:28:07.980
Zoom in around the corridors and we actually get a POV shot of all

649
00:28:07.980 --> 00:28:11.940
the weird spaghetti corridors and rooms and everything, you know

650
00:28:11.940 --> 00:28:12.539
all messed up.

651
00:28:12.720 --> 00:28:16.680
I mean, that would have been a bit expensive, I think, is the

652
00:28:16.680 --> 00:28:17.039
problem.

653
00:28:17.099 --> 00:28:18.299
It would have cost some money.

654
00:28:18.359 --> 00:28:20.279
I mean, there's no special effects in this.

655
00:28:20.339 --> 00:28:23.759
We get a few special effects towards the end where we see that

656
00:28:23.759 --> 00:28:26.640
sort of computer distortion of the ship, which they're also proud

657
00:28:26.640 --> 00:28:30.119
of because it's only 1995 or whatever.

658
00:28:30.180 --> 00:28:33.960
But the thing is, though, even duet was a very, very cheap episode

659
00:28:33.960 --> 00:28:35.160
of Star Trek.

660
00:28:35.279 --> 00:28:38.519
It's a set and 2 actors and it's one of the best.

661
00:28:39.240 --> 00:28:43.380
And again, they just, they're just eating up time here.

662
00:28:43.440 --> 00:28:45.420
Like, what, like, what is happening?

663
00:28:46.200 --> 00:28:47.160
Apple as well.

664
00:28:47.220 --> 00:28:48.480
Yeah, yeah.

665
00:28:48.539 --> 00:28:52.440
Yeah, because the thing is too, because the thing has no

666
00:28:52.440 --> 00:28:57.059
characteristics and no logic to it, because it's a twisty swirly

667
00:28:57.059 --> 00:29:00.779
thing that really does whatever, you know, it does to get the

668
00:29:00.779 --> 00:29:01.619
premise happening.

669
00:29:01.680 --> 00:29:04.380
There's no way of knowing what the right way of dealing with it

670
00:29:04.380 --> 00:29:04.619
is.

671
00:29:04.680 --> 00:29:08.339
And so later on when we have that confrontation between Chakotay

672
00:29:08.339 --> 00:29:09.180
and Tuvok.

673
00:29:09.240 --> 00:29:10.440
It's kind of like, who's right?

674
00:29:10.500 --> 00:29:11.819
Well, it's impossible to tell.

675
00:29:11.880 --> 00:29:13.140
How could you even know?

676
00:29:13.200 --> 00:29:17.700
you know, It's more a twisty, swirly sort of thing that turns the

677
00:29:17.700 --> 00:29:21.720
ship inside out for about 45 minutes and then just goes away, you

678
00:29:21.720 --> 00:29:21.900
know?

679
00:29:21.960 --> 00:29:22.799
Yeah, yeah.

680
00:29:22.859 --> 00:29:23.519
It's very happy.

681
00:29:23.519 --> 00:29:24.960
It doesn't need the running time of this thing.

682
00:29:28.319 --> 00:29:31.079
Let's get a deck by deck picture.

683
00:29:31.140 --> 00:29:32.220
Please show us.

684
00:29:32.279 --> 00:29:33.180
Show us.

685
00:29:33.240 --> 00:29:34.740
Yeah, yeah, but show us.

686
00:29:34.799 --> 00:29:36.180
Don't just tell us about it.

687
00:29:36.240 --> 00:29:37.259
Don't walk around.

688
00:29:37.319 --> 00:29:39.539
So now they're just going to walk around the same fucking corridor

689
00:29:39.539 --> 00:29:41.579
but they're going to have their...

690
00:29:41.579 --> 00:29:43.619
And the next scene, they go, oh, that was an amazing picture.

691
00:29:43.740 --> 00:29:45.660
Now, at least we know what it all looks like.

692
00:29:45.720 --> 00:29:46.799
Oh thank you.

693
00:29:46.859 --> 00:29:48.420
Do we get to see them?

694
00:29:49.859 --> 00:29:54.359
Excuse me, don't you throw shade on the predatory advances of that

695
00:29:54.359 --> 00:29:57.299
woman where Neelix is behaving the way he is.

696
00:29:57.359 --> 00:29:58.319
Yeah, yeah.

697
00:29:58.380 --> 00:30:00.539
At least she's up front.

698
00:30:00.539 --> 00:30:02.039
She wants to fuck you.

699
00:30:02.099 --> 00:30:04.019
She just wants to have sex with an adult man.

700
00:30:04.680 --> 00:30:07.019
Oh, God, Neenix.

701
00:30:07.079 --> 00:30:10.980
My tracking is well famous amongst the whole of the galaxy.

702
00:30:11.099 --> 00:30:11.700
Oh, shut up.

703
00:30:12.960 --> 00:30:16.380
I mean, I, you know, again, there's something here about the idea

704
00:30:16.380 --> 00:30:19.380
that they all have to withdraw to, this is off the ship.

705
00:30:19.440 --> 00:30:20.220
Do you know what I mean?

706
00:30:20.279 --> 00:30:21.900
Because it's the holiday, it's in saundreans.

707
00:30:21.960 --> 00:30:22.980
It a different type of space.

708
00:30:23.039 --> 00:30:26.519
It's not affected by this space and so that's where they meet and

709
00:30:26.519 --> 00:30:28.019
that's a reliable place to be.

710
00:30:28.079 --> 00:30:32.220
And that's a thing in an episode that gave a shit that would be

711
00:30:32.220 --> 00:30:32.940
worth doing.

712
00:30:33.000 --> 00:30:34.920
The next stop should be engineering.

713
00:30:34.980 --> 00:30:35.700
And it is.

714
00:30:35.759 --> 00:30:37.440
Well, there's a twist in Twisted.

715
00:30:37.559 --> 00:30:40.980
We come out of turbo lift, and it's exactly what we expect to

716
00:30:40.980 --> 00:30:41.160
see.

717
00:30:42.539 --> 00:30:44.640
That is a twist.

718
00:30:45.660 --> 00:30:48.960
I mean, this might be, we're 20 minutes in, right?

719
00:30:49.019 --> 00:30:51.720
And I think this is 20 minute door.

720
00:30:52.140 --> 00:30:56.759
So she opens the door and it gives out onto someone's quarters and

721
00:30:56.759 --> 00:30:58.619
he is supposed to be naked.

722
00:30:58.680 --> 00:31:02.339
Like, the script must want him to be naked, right?

723
00:31:02.400 --> 00:31:04.500
And they've just decided they're not going to shoot it.

724
00:31:04.559 --> 00:31:05.640
Because who cares?

725
00:31:05.759 --> 00:31:06.779
Like, he's in his pants.

726
00:31:06.839 --> 00:31:07.680
He's got his shirt off.

727
00:31:07.740 --> 00:31:08.160
So what?

728
00:31:08.220 --> 00:31:09.660
Like what's embarrassing about that?

729
00:31:09.720 --> 00:31:11.400
We are out of wrist, Tommy.

730
00:31:11.460 --> 00:31:14.759
But if he'd been naked, like that scene only works.

731
00:31:14.819 --> 00:31:17.039
Like, why is she so shaken by that?

732
00:31:17.099 --> 00:31:18.839
She saw a man with his shirt off.

733
00:31:18.900 --> 00:31:23.039
He should have been naked What that should have been is that that

734
00:31:23.039 --> 00:31:27.900
door opens and a big wry smile falls on her face and then the door

735
00:31:27.900 --> 00:31:28.500
shuts.

736
00:31:28.559 --> 00:31:29.819
And that's the scene.

737
00:31:29.880 --> 00:31:32.460
She's like, oh, something nice to look at, you know?

738
00:31:32.519 --> 00:31:36.059
It's like, oh, I think you handled that well, lieutenant, and

739
00:31:36.059 --> 00:31:37.380
she's there looking bit awkward.

740
00:31:37.500 --> 00:31:39.059
Yeah, yeah.

741
00:31:39.119 --> 00:31:40.440
No, why are we not adult?

742
00:31:40.500 --> 00:31:42.119
No, we're not having fun.

743
00:31:42.180 --> 00:31:44.400
If we're just going to wander about.

744
00:31:44.460 --> 00:31:45.480
We had some fun.

745
00:31:45.660 --> 00:31:51.420
And now we've paired up Neelix and Chakotay who have nothing in

746
00:31:51.420 --> 00:31:53.039
common and nothing interesting to say.

747
00:31:53.339 --> 00:31:57.359
Why, why doesn't Neelix pluck his eyebrows?

748
00:31:57.420 --> 00:31:59.460
I mean, they're very long in eyebrow hairs?

749
00:31:59.519 --> 00:32:02.519
Yeah, that's a bit disturbing, is it?

750
00:32:02.579 --> 00:32:04.920
Oh, maybe he likes cares to do that, you know, while they're at

751
00:32:04.920 --> 00:32:05.220
it.

752
00:32:05.279 --> 00:32:07.500
Oh, sorry.

753
00:32:07.680 --> 00:32:09.779
And then what's this?

754
00:32:09.839 --> 00:32:10.980
Like, what is this scene for?

755
00:32:11.039 --> 00:32:12.240
Tell me what's going on here.

756
00:32:12.299 --> 00:32:18.180
So Neelix is talking about being in love with Kess and the medium

757
00:32:18.180 --> 00:32:22.500
Roberts talking about being in love and like why am I such an

758
00:32:22.500 --> 00:32:23.940
asshole and jealousy?

759
00:32:24.059 --> 00:32:25.200
And like, what is this?

760
00:32:25.259 --> 00:32:26.460
What stupid?

761
00:32:26.519 --> 00:32:27.420
What is happening?

762
00:32:27.480 --> 00:32:32.880
This is the most basic ladybird discussion of emotions for young

763
00:32:32.880 --> 00:32:33.539
children.

764
00:32:33.599 --> 00:32:37.140
He's going, oh, you're telling me jealousy's natural.

765
00:32:37.200 --> 00:32:39.599
Well, why does it feel so unpleasant then?

766
00:32:39.660 --> 00:32:40.980
What are we doing?

767
00:32:41.579 --> 00:32:46.259
But what if it was like Star Trek the Next Generation and we've

768
00:32:46.259 --> 00:32:48.960
grown beyond jealousy because it's the 24th century.

769
00:32:49.019 --> 00:32:53.039
And do you remember the scene, remember when Deanna and Riker are

770
00:32:53.039 --> 00:32:57.119
talking about the Changeling, who pretended to be Riker back in

771
00:32:57.119 --> 00:33:01.559
series 3 of Picard, and they make a gag about how he's better in

772
00:33:01.559 --> 00:33:04.440
bed than...

773
00:33:04.500 --> 00:33:08.640
But like they make some gag about it because we're so beyond

774
00:33:08.640 --> 00:33:11.220
jealousy and we're so comfortable with each other that they can be

775
00:33:11.220 --> 00:33:12.059
queued together.

776
00:33:12.119 --> 00:33:15.900
But here, like, there's just nothing too that's, like, let's, let

777
00:33:15.900 --> 00:33:19.799
you just, like, that's automatic writing.

778
00:33:19.859 --> 00:33:20.700
Do you know what I mean?

779
00:33:20.759 --> 00:33:22.920
Like, that's just AI slop.

780
00:33:22.980 --> 00:33:23.940
There's nothing there.

781
00:33:24.000 --> 00:33:25.559
It's nothing that you've seen before.

782
00:33:25.619 --> 00:33:26.700
It's not a scene about anything.

783
00:33:26.759 --> 00:33:29.339
Oh, water, off down the corridor then.

784
00:33:29.400 --> 00:33:32.099
I'll try and keep him in my head.

785
00:33:32.160 --> 00:33:33.359
So I remember it next time.

786
00:33:33.420 --> 00:33:35.819
But I've got a feeling that he's got to fall out.

787
00:33:35.880 --> 00:33:37.500
DSI did it one time right?

788
00:33:37.559 --> 00:33:40.140
They had wharf jealous of Dax in one episode.

789
00:33:40.200 --> 00:33:41.640
The reviled.

790
00:33:41.700 --> 00:33:43.920
Let he who is without sin, yeah.

791
00:33:43.980 --> 00:33:44.940
Where she...

792
00:33:45.000 --> 00:33:47.940
I mean, she's in a bikini on like Palm Beach or something.

793
00:33:48.000 --> 00:33:49.559
Like, of course, everyone wants her.

794
00:33:49.619 --> 00:33:52.740
And Dax catches wind of how jealous he is.

795
00:33:52.740 --> 00:33:54.779
And she goes, no, fuck you.

796
00:33:54.839 --> 00:33:58.140
She goes, I'm going to do the scene from Ghost with Vanessa

797
00:33:58.140 --> 00:33:59.160
Williams, all right?

798
00:33:59.220 --> 00:34:02.339
We going to go and play pottery together if you're going to be

799
00:34:02.339 --> 00:34:04.920
jealous over there and then he has to get his act together.

800
00:34:04.980 --> 00:34:06.059
Otherwise he's going to lose her.

801
00:34:06.119 --> 00:34:07.680
Yeah, yeah.

802
00:34:07.740 --> 00:34:11.099
And there you go because Dax says agency and isn't going to put up

803
00:34:11.099 --> 00:34:13.619
with that shit, but because KFC's too.

804
00:34:13.679 --> 00:34:17.099
She doesn't know anything. say it, my heart thinks.

805
00:34:17.579 --> 00:34:19.920
I mean, make her too fine.

806
00:34:19.980 --> 00:34:21.059
That was just an idea.

807
00:34:21.059 --> 00:34:25.079
Make her in a relationship with one of the characters who is an

808
00:34:25.079 --> 00:34:25.559
adult.

809
00:34:26.219 --> 00:34:28.019
Bye, bye, bye.

810
00:34:28.619 --> 00:34:30.960
Oh, do you know what, Nathan?

811
00:34:31.019 --> 00:34:33.780
I've been down this corridor for a while, you know.

812
00:34:33.840 --> 00:34:36.119
Well, it's just disappeared.

813
00:34:36.179 --> 00:34:38.340
And look how cheaply they realised it.

814
00:34:38.460 --> 00:34:41.039
They made Ethan walk off the set.

815
00:34:42.780 --> 00:34:45.360
The other guy's locked down the door.

816
00:34:45.360 --> 00:34:46.619
The camera goes around the corner.

817
00:34:46.679 --> 00:34:47.340
Oh my god.

818
00:34:47.400 --> 00:34:48.059
He's good.

819
00:34:48.119 --> 00:34:48.659
He's not there.

820
00:34:48.719 --> 00:34:50.039
How did that happen?

821
00:34:50.099 --> 00:34:51.659
Maybe he went somewhere.

822
00:34:51.719 --> 00:34:53.760
And the people sometimes do.

823
00:34:53.820 --> 00:34:56.760
Do you know, it's much funnier when you're talking about it. you

824
00:34:56.760 --> 00:34:57.719
know, than watching it.

825
00:34:58.199 --> 00:35:00.059
Do you know what I mean?

826
00:35:00.119 --> 00:35:04.380
It's so much worse than you even suspected because like absolutely

827
00:35:04.380 --> 00:35:05.519
nothing is happening.

828
00:35:05.579 --> 00:35:09.840
The thing that changes on board Voyager is the thing that we as

829
00:35:09.840 --> 00:35:12.059
the audience aren't even aware of.

830
00:35:12.119 --> 00:35:14.280
And so it just doesn't matter.

831
00:35:14.340 --> 00:35:16.139
As long as they're telling me, all right.

832
00:35:16.199 --> 00:35:17.039
I know it's happening.

833
00:35:17.099 --> 00:35:17.880
That's right.

834
00:35:18.480 --> 00:35:22.199
What is this Voyager for the heart of seeing or something?

835
00:35:22.260 --> 00:35:23.760
I mean, for God's sucks.

836
00:35:24.239 --> 00:35:29.460
Imagine if in Scorpion part one, it was just scenes of the

837
00:35:29.460 --> 00:35:32.820
characters standing around talking about having seen the board.

838
00:35:32.940 --> 00:35:33.960
Yes.

839
00:35:33.960 --> 00:35:37.440
Or, I don't know, what's that great Hirogen 2 paro?

840
00:35:37.500 --> 00:35:38.639
you know, 0 my god.

841
00:35:38.699 --> 00:35:41.820
It looks just like the sets from a lower low, you know, in the 2nd

842
00:35:41.820 --> 00:35:43.199
World War. in there.

843
00:35:43.440 --> 00:35:47.039
Can't we reimagine all of Star Trek in this way?

844
00:35:47.519 --> 00:35:49.800
Sacrifice of Angels.

845
00:35:49.860 --> 00:35:52.800
There's at least a 1000 ships coming at us.

846
00:35:54.480 --> 00:35:58.559
Do you know what baffles me though, is that Kim Friedman directs

847
00:35:58.559 --> 00:35:59.099
this episode.

848
00:35:59.159 --> 00:36:03.780
Kim Friedman next year, because that would be DS95 next year, yeah

849
00:36:03.780 --> 00:36:07.739
directs the ship, which is that amazing episode with the upside

850
00:36:07.739 --> 00:36:12.480
down Gemadar ship. which is full of gray camera work and

851
00:36:12.480 --> 00:36:14.340
atmosphere and scares and things.

852
00:36:14.400 --> 00:36:16.619
What happened here, Kim?

853
00:36:16.679 --> 00:36:17.519
What happened?

854
00:36:17.760 --> 00:36:20.219
And so now what's going on here?

855
00:36:20.340 --> 00:36:22.920
Wibbly special effect, right?

856
00:36:22.980 --> 00:36:25.199
Which is okay.

857
00:36:25.260 --> 00:36:29.159
I mean, that corridor sort of wibbling off into the distance there

858
00:36:29.159 --> 00:36:29.519
isn't it?

859
00:36:29.579 --> 00:36:32.699
I mean, that's just super unimpressive, isn't it?

860
00:36:34.079 --> 00:36:37.679
They're sort of leaving it to Kate, and I hate to say this, but

861
00:36:37.679 --> 00:36:38.400
she's not up to it.

862
00:36:38.880 --> 00:36:41.159
No, then who would be?

863
00:36:41.219 --> 00:36:43.860
She's staring at her own arm going, ooh.

864
00:36:43.920 --> 00:36:46.500
I mean, I can't believe they gave her the note at the end of this

865
00:36:46.500 --> 00:36:46.980
episode.

866
00:36:47.039 --> 00:36:50.039
Just sort of get up and say something like you've just had a

867
00:36:50.039 --> 00:36:51.179
stroke, all right?

868
00:36:51.360 --> 00:36:54.960
May I say, Kate, you acquit yourself beautifully?

869
00:36:56.880 --> 00:37:00.420
I don't know what she's doing.

870
00:37:00.480 --> 00:37:01.920
Like, what is that?

871
00:37:02.039 --> 00:37:03.659
Oh, don't know.

872
00:37:03.780 --> 00:37:08.219
The sequence of fluctuations and a distortion ring.

873
00:37:08.280 --> 00:37:09.599
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

874
00:37:09.659 --> 00:37:11.400
But again, all that stuff.

875
00:37:11.460 --> 00:37:14.760
You know, like it's all just bullshit techno babble.

876
00:37:14.820 --> 00:37:16.860
We'll have to regroup and come up with a plan.

877
00:37:16.920 --> 00:37:19.079
You've been doing that for the last 20 five?

878
00:37:19.139 --> 00:37:20.219
Yeah, is it?

879
00:37:20.219 --> 00:37:22.019
Oh my god.

880
00:37:22.079 --> 00:37:23.219
Oh my god.

881
00:37:23.280 --> 00:37:23.760
Okay.

882
00:37:23.820 --> 00:37:24.360
Do you know what?

883
00:37:24.420 --> 00:37:27.360
I really don't like it when they waste Kate, you know?

884
00:37:27.420 --> 00:37:28.619
Like, she's so good.

885
00:37:28.679 --> 00:37:30.179
Remember her own prodigy.

886
00:37:30.239 --> 00:37:31.619
She's a bloody amazing actress.

887
00:37:31.679 --> 00:37:32.159
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

888
00:37:32.219 --> 00:37:33.300
Oh, she's awesome.

889
00:37:33.420 --> 00:37:39.420
Now, this guy here is the guy with the um, checkered head in the

890
00:37:39.420 --> 00:37:42.420
ball in um, cost of living.

891
00:37:42.480 --> 00:37:44.280
Oh, is he?

892
00:37:44.460 --> 00:37:46.860
A much better episode than this.

893
00:37:47.340 --> 00:37:49.800
Oh, the fewer.

894
00:37:49.860 --> 00:37:54.659
And he is the guy who plays Kramer in the sitcom in a sitcom

895
00:37:54.659 --> 00:37:55.980
version of Seinfeld.

896
00:37:56.099 --> 00:37:58.739
Oh, sorry, some good work as well.

897
00:37:58.739 --> 00:37:59.579
That's not a...

898
00:37:59.639 --> 00:38:00.179
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

899
00:38:00.239 --> 00:38:00.599
Yeah.

900
00:38:00.659 --> 00:38:01.199
Yeah.

901
00:38:01.260 --> 00:38:04.920
I mean, I think these holodeck characters are supposed to give

902
00:38:04.920 --> 00:38:06.239
this a bit of colour, aren't they?

903
00:38:06.300 --> 00:38:08.039
But they sort of one note.

904
00:38:08.099 --> 00:38:10.199
And the jokes aren't funny.

905
00:38:10.260 --> 00:38:12.059
So it's a bit of a problem.

906
00:38:12.239 --> 00:38:14.400
No, yeah, that's right.

907
00:38:14.460 --> 00:38:17.639
I mean, men are the same, you know, Nathan. break your heart in

908
00:38:17.639 --> 00:38:17.940
the end.

909
00:38:18.059 --> 00:38:19.139
Yeah.

910
00:38:19.139 --> 00:38:21.179
Get out of there, KC is pretty great.

911
00:38:21.239 --> 00:38:24.840
I mean, she, you know, Judy Geason, she's pretty good. she does a

912
00:38:24.840 --> 00:38:26.460
few episodes of this, doesn't she?

913
00:38:26.519 --> 00:38:27.360
Oh gosh.

914
00:38:27.420 --> 00:38:30.059
Janeway started to fade in and out of consciousness.

915
00:38:30.119 --> 00:38:30.840
I wish I was.

916
00:38:30.900 --> 00:38:32.519
No, I was.

917
00:38:32.579 --> 00:38:34.619
By this point, I was actually fading him.

918
00:38:34.679 --> 00:38:36.300
You was asleep at this point.

919
00:38:36.360 --> 00:38:37.139
Oh, is this?

920
00:38:37.139 --> 00:38:39.960
Oh, because you missed this argument, yeah, between Chakotay and

921
00:38:39.960 --> 00:38:40.440
Tuvok.

922
00:38:40.679 --> 00:38:43.260
Uh, yes.

923
00:38:43.320 --> 00:38:47.940
Yes, again, so like this isn't the big argument between Shakotah

924
00:38:47.940 --> 00:38:48.840
and Tuvok.

925
00:38:48.900 --> 00:38:49.500
That's later.

926
00:38:49.559 --> 00:38:53.880
And it just is another one of those scenes where the characters

927
00:38:53.880 --> 00:38:54.900
are assholes.

928
00:38:54.960 --> 00:38:58.139
And it turns out that it's more important to have likeable

929
00:38:58.139 --> 00:39:00.659
characters than to have occasional conflict, I think.

930
00:39:00.780 --> 00:39:06.659
Um, and like, you know, the thing about Star Trek, the Next

931
00:39:06.659 --> 00:39:11.219
Generation was they never had these dumb fights, they did disagree

932
00:39:11.219 --> 00:39:15.480
but they didn't have dumb fights, and that's okay, because they're

933
00:39:15.480 --> 00:39:18.719
nice grown up normal people who aren't dickheads about their

934
00:39:18.719 --> 00:39:19.920
opinions about people.

935
00:39:19.980 --> 00:39:23.340
This isn't conflict. between 2 characters.

936
00:39:23.460 --> 00:39:26.400
This is just killing another minute of this episode.

937
00:39:26.579 --> 00:39:28.679
It doesn't tell that.

938
00:39:28.739 --> 00:39:29.280
What is this?

939
00:39:29.340 --> 00:39:32.579
I mean, I would have more respect for Chevok if Chakoto went, you

940
00:39:32.579 --> 00:39:35.460
know, there's a flaw on your logic, commander, and he just like

941
00:39:35.460 --> 00:39:36.000
excuse me?

942
00:39:36.059 --> 00:39:39.000
Who'd the bloody hell do you think you are telling a Vulcan?

943
00:39:39.000 --> 00:39:41.039
There's a...

944
00:39:41.099 --> 00:39:43.679
Look, he went away one way and he came back the other way.

945
00:39:43.739 --> 00:39:45.480
And now...

946
00:39:45.539 --> 00:39:46.440
It's like...

947
00:39:46.440 --> 00:39:47.699
What if he said...

948
00:39:47.760 --> 00:39:51.179
He said, yeah, whatever he said, no, I just doubled around and

949
00:39:51.179 --> 00:39:52.559
went through the side corridor.

950
00:39:52.619 --> 00:39:53.519
It's kind of amazing.

951
00:39:53.579 --> 00:39:54.119
Yeah.

952
00:39:54.119 --> 00:39:56.340
Tim, the ship's fine.

953
00:39:56.340 --> 00:39:57.480
Tim, about to run round the corner.

954
00:39:57.539 --> 00:40:00.360
So he was there waiting for him, you know, it's like concentric

955
00:40:00.360 --> 00:40:00.599
ring.

956
00:40:01.139 --> 00:40:06.179
Like, why was there no more of the, you know, the door opens onto

957
00:40:06.179 --> 00:40:09.659
a thing where, so things happen that we've never seen before?

958
00:40:09.719 --> 00:40:10.679
That's the thing.

959
00:40:10.739 --> 00:40:13.079
Even though that would be boring.

960
00:40:13.139 --> 00:40:16.260
But it even though it would be boring. it would be less boring

961
00:40:16.260 --> 00:40:16.739
than this.

962
00:40:16.800 --> 00:40:19.380
Do you remember that episode where I can't remember which one it

963
00:40:19.380 --> 00:40:22.980
is now, where Picard leaves the turbo lift and it's in space and

964
00:40:22.980 --> 00:40:23.820
starts screaming.

965
00:40:23.880 --> 00:40:24.360
Do you remember?

966
00:40:24.420 --> 00:40:25.320
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

967
00:40:25.380 --> 00:40:25.739
There you go.

968
00:40:25.860 --> 00:40:27.960
I think that's lonely among us, isn't it?

969
00:40:28.079 --> 00:40:30.119
Oh, look, no one has gone before.

970
00:40:30.119 --> 00:40:32.219
They've beamed in and they're standing on the pool table.

971
00:40:32.280 --> 00:40:34.860
Again, that should be funny, but it's not.

972
00:40:34.920 --> 00:40:37.260
They just go, well, let's get off this then.

973
00:40:37.320 --> 00:40:40.440
They should have come up with something funny because that was

974
00:40:40.440 --> 00:40:43.260
never going to be funny. like that was stupid.

975
00:40:43.320 --> 00:40:47.039
I do like when the when the pool table gets all warped.

976
00:40:47.099 --> 00:40:49.019
I think that's quite a good effect that happens later.

977
00:40:49.079 --> 00:40:50.400
Oh, God, I love this.

978
00:40:50.460 --> 00:40:51.780
These are the stakes now, right?

979
00:40:51.840 --> 00:40:54.239
The spatial distortion is approaching.

980
00:40:54.300 --> 00:41:00.480
Janeway is unconscious and and we've lost Neelix too.

981
00:41:00.539 --> 00:41:02.820
Oh my god, there's no one else.

982
00:41:02.880 --> 00:41:05.159
Is there anyone else on board the ship or have they all gone as

983
00:41:05.159 --> 00:41:05.400
well?

984
00:41:05.579 --> 00:41:07.920
What's happened to Walter Randall?

985
00:41:07.980 --> 00:41:09.179
That's what I'm concerned about.

986
00:41:09.239 --> 00:41:11.219
Yeah, no, I think he's Walter Baxter.

987
00:41:11.280 --> 00:41:11.940
Oh, sorry.

988
00:41:12.000 --> 00:41:14.219
Randall's an actor, a doctor.

989
00:41:14.280 --> 00:41:19.019
See, it just vanishes from my mind. out of your mind.

990
00:41:19.079 --> 00:41:19.860
That's right.

991
00:41:19.920 --> 00:41:23.639
Yeah, he's a sort of conceptual character that just cannot exist

992
00:41:23.639 --> 00:41:24.599
anyway.

993
00:41:24.840 --> 00:41:28.380
How are we supposed to reverse something we don't understand?

994
00:41:28.440 --> 00:41:32.280
The corridors are realigning. rooms are in the wrong place.

995
00:41:32.340 --> 00:41:35.579
There's no pattern. fucking half an hour in.

996
00:41:35.639 --> 00:41:37.860
Why are you all saying this now?

997
00:41:39.780 --> 00:41:43.260
Wait, so Harry, we could make a map.

998
00:41:43.320 --> 00:41:45.119
Oh, Harry.

999
00:41:45.179 --> 00:41:50.880
Oh, we've been wondering about, now, why don't we just make a map

1000
00:41:50.880 --> 00:41:53.039
and then maybe we'll get where we need to go.

1001
00:41:53.099 --> 00:41:54.539
Harry, you're a genius.

1002
00:41:54.599 --> 00:41:56.280
Like, oh, my God.

1003
00:41:56.280 --> 00:41:58.440
Except aren't things moving around?

1004
00:41:59.340 --> 00:42:03.179
What did the actors think when they read this script?

1005
00:42:03.239 --> 00:42:03.719
I wonder.

1006
00:42:03.840 --> 00:42:07.079
I mean, yeah, it's because there's nothing here.

1007
00:42:07.139 --> 00:42:08.280
Like, what are you doing?

1008
00:42:08.340 --> 00:42:11.159
I like to think that this, because this is the point where Kate

1009
00:42:11.159 --> 00:42:13.860
Mulgrew realises that she is going to be away from her children

1010
00:42:13.860 --> 00:42:18.420
for 16 hours a day on the standing sets, right?

1011
00:42:18.420 --> 00:42:22.559
Because she does tell a story about that, about how she missed 7

1012
00:42:22.559 --> 00:42:26.880
years of her children's lives because she was on set for 16 hours

1013
00:42:26.880 --> 00:42:28.079
a day for this.

1014
00:42:28.260 --> 00:42:30.599
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1015
00:42:30.659 --> 00:42:31.679
Yeah.

1016
00:42:31.679 --> 00:42:36.179
I mean, that that wobbly thing, that wibbly bent thing.

1017
00:42:36.239 --> 00:42:37.860
Why don't we see it from outside?

1018
00:42:37.920 --> 00:42:41.219
We can't afford it so we can just see it as a schematic on the

1019
00:42:41.219 --> 00:42:41.460
screen?

1020
00:42:41.519 --> 00:42:44.940
Oh, wouldn't that be great if we could see Voyager, sort of, like

1021
00:42:44.940 --> 00:42:45.900
a load of spaghetti?

1022
00:42:45.960 --> 00:42:46.800
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1023
00:42:46.860 --> 00:42:49.440
Or like because they didn't have the imagination or the money for

1024
00:42:49.440 --> 00:42:49.679
it.

1025
00:42:49.739 --> 00:42:53.099
But if it looked like, you know, those things in Doctor Strange

1026
00:42:53.099 --> 00:42:56.820
you know, where things reconfigure themselves and turn around and

1027
00:42:56.820 --> 00:42:57.059
stuff.

1028
00:42:57.119 --> 00:42:59.940
I don't often say this, but I'm going to say it.

1029
00:42:59.940 --> 00:43:03.840
This would be, they could do an amazing Kursman trick version of

1030
00:43:03.840 --> 00:43:07.139
this. where it would be visually interesting.

1031
00:43:07.199 --> 00:43:10.679
Yeah, and almost like incomprehensibly weird.

1032
00:43:10.920 --> 00:43:14.039
But also there would be gags in it as well.

1033
00:43:14.099 --> 00:43:19.739
Yeah, they would be funny and the people would be likeable. expect

1034
00:43:19.739 --> 00:43:21.119
a base level of entertainment.

1035
00:43:21.239 --> 00:43:22.320
Yeah, yeah.

1036
00:43:22.380 --> 00:43:25.019
The Strange New Worlds episode of it.

1037
00:43:25.139 --> 00:43:27.000
Oh, would be glorious.

1038
00:43:27.119 --> 00:43:27.719
Yeah.

1039
00:43:27.719 --> 00:43:29.280
And everyone's hot as well.

1040
00:43:29.400 --> 00:43:30.300
Oh, yeah.

1041
00:43:30.300 --> 00:43:31.500
Can I what?

1042
00:43:31.559 --> 00:43:34.079
I mean, if we're all going to, this wibbly thing is going to come

1043
00:43:34.079 --> 00:43:34.440
for us.

1044
00:43:34.500 --> 00:43:37.920
Let's just have an orgy. our last chance before it comes for us.

1045
00:43:37.980 --> 00:43:38.820
That's it.

1046
00:43:39.480 --> 00:43:42.780
Oh, the shot pulse of that magnitude.

1047
00:43:42.840 --> 00:43:44.340
Some atomic park.

1048
00:43:44.340 --> 00:43:45.780
So this is the big argument.

1049
00:43:45.840 --> 00:43:48.119
This is the big argument that we're gonna have.

1050
00:43:48.179 --> 00:43:53.579
We have a made up thing which behaves according to no rules that

1051
00:43:53.579 --> 00:43:54.480
we're aware of.

1052
00:43:54.539 --> 00:43:57.119
We're just explaining the sort of things that can happen.

1053
00:43:57.179 --> 00:43:58.920
The distortion frequency.

1054
00:43:58.980 --> 00:44:00.300
I do this, I match the thing.

1055
00:44:00.360 --> 00:44:02.039
It's all just absolute bullshit.

1056
00:44:02.099 --> 00:44:03.719
It has no analogue in the real world.

1057
00:44:03.840 --> 00:44:08.099
We can have no opinion about whether this is the right course of

1058
00:44:08.099 --> 00:44:08.760
action or not.

1059
00:44:08.820 --> 00:44:13.139
And so now we're going to have a big fight between Chakotay and 2

1060
00:44:13.139 --> 00:44:17.099
Voc about it, but we haven't the faintest fucking idea of whether

1061
00:44:17.099 --> 00:44:19.619
who's right or wrong or why.

1062
00:44:19.679 --> 00:44:24.000
Does it even count as word peril when we don't understand the

1063
00:44:24.000 --> 00:44:25.260
state peril?

1064
00:44:25.320 --> 00:44:27.059
We don't understand the words.

1065
00:44:27.119 --> 00:44:28.500
We don't understand the solution.

1066
00:44:28.920 --> 00:44:30.000
In fact, there is no solution.

1067
00:44:30.059 --> 00:44:31.079
The solution is do nothing.

1068
00:44:31.139 --> 00:44:33.300
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1069
00:44:33.360 --> 00:44:35.760
You know, it's sort of anti-word peril.

1070
00:44:35.820 --> 00:44:37.320
It's unbelievable.

1071
00:44:37.380 --> 00:44:40.679
But it is, I mean, that thing where the first, you know, 25

1072
00:44:40.679 --> 00:44:44.280
minutes or something is just everyone standing around talking

1073
00:44:44.280 --> 00:44:45.420
about what's going on.

1074
00:44:45.539 --> 00:44:47.460
That's the 2nd 25 minutes as well.

1075
00:44:47.519 --> 00:44:50.039
Yeah, yeah, yeah, essentially.

1076
00:44:50.099 --> 00:44:52.019
And this, I'm in command.

1077
00:44:52.079 --> 00:44:53.820
You're just some dipshit Tuvok.

1078
00:44:53.880 --> 00:44:56.219
Yes sir, understood.

1079
00:44:56.280 --> 00:44:57.239
Like, fuck off.

1080
00:44:57.300 --> 00:44:58.139
Like, what's that?

1081
00:44:58.199 --> 00:44:59.340
That just makes him an asshole.

1082
00:44:59.460 --> 00:45:01.500
And that's not at all what he's like.

1083
00:45:01.559 --> 00:45:04.739
Oh, God, all this technopapel, man, I'm drowning in it.

1084
00:45:04.860 --> 00:45:06.239
Yeah.

1085
00:45:06.300 --> 00:45:08.400
I could have been really best interested.

1086
00:45:08.460 --> 00:45:11.760
My brain just shuts off when they start talking about bloody warp

1087
00:45:11.760 --> 00:45:12.239
coils.

1088
00:45:12.300 --> 00:45:13.019
And this scene.

1089
00:45:13.079 --> 00:45:15.000
This scene is atrocious.

1090
00:45:15.059 --> 00:45:17.460
Oh, they're just shouting at each other.

1091
00:45:17.519 --> 00:45:19.260
I mean, it's not it's inadvertently funny.

1092
00:45:19.320 --> 00:45:22.980
We should get out of here before it hits 50 mega cells.

1093
00:45:22.980 --> 00:45:25.920
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1094
00:45:25.980 --> 00:45:27.179
Megapestals.

1095
00:45:27.239 --> 00:45:30.539
I'm reading a micro fracture in the warp core.

1096
00:45:32.460 --> 00:45:34.440
No, it's all right.

1097
00:45:34.500 --> 00:45:38.460
The fractious figs. there's no one here for no reason It would be

1098
00:45:38.460 --> 00:45:40.139
like me in the middle of an episode, Karen.

1099
00:45:40.199 --> 00:45:42.119
Nathan, this podcast is going to explode.

1100
00:45:42.239 --> 00:45:45.239
You know, just to create some tension.

1101
00:45:45.300 --> 00:45:49.019
Oh, you start counting up. fucking hell.

1102
00:45:49.079 --> 00:45:53.219
I mean, I mean, give Roxanne and Garrett, they're Jew.

1103
00:45:53.280 --> 00:45:53.940
They're trying.

1104
00:45:54.000 --> 00:45:55.260
Yeah, they are trying.

1105
00:45:55.320 --> 00:45:57.900
Oh, they're moving the camera a bit.

1106
00:45:57.960 --> 00:46:00.360
They're under tables in sand dreams.

1107
00:46:03.659 --> 00:46:05.280
Do you know what?

1108
00:46:05.340 --> 00:46:06.780
We haven't been under the tables before.

1109
00:46:06.840 --> 00:46:07.500
Should we do that?

1110
00:46:07.559 --> 00:46:09.239
Yeah, we could do that.

1111
00:46:09.360 --> 00:46:12.719
Why wouldn't you be drinking yourself to death if you were in

1112
00:46:12.719 --> 00:46:14.039
saunderings, for God's sake.

1113
00:46:14.099 --> 00:46:16.199
How do you get an implosion ring?

1114
00:46:16.260 --> 00:46:17.760
An enclosure ring?

1115
00:46:17.820 --> 00:46:19.079
Oh, I don't know, really?

1116
00:46:19.559 --> 00:46:22.860
Do you prefer an implosion or an explosion?

1117
00:46:22.920 --> 00:46:24.239
Yeah, I don't know.

1118
00:46:24.300 --> 00:46:24.780
Can't tell.

1119
00:46:24.840 --> 00:46:25.679
But there you go.

1120
00:46:25.739 --> 00:46:28.019
There was another special effect, a brief special effect there.

1121
00:46:28.079 --> 00:46:29.219
What was that, the door?

1122
00:46:29.219 --> 00:46:30.360
Fair, expensive one.

1123
00:46:30.420 --> 00:46:31.739
The door going wibbly.

1124
00:46:31.800 --> 00:46:32.039
Yep.

1125
00:46:32.219 --> 00:46:34.440
Oh, no, here's Kate.

1126
00:46:34.500 --> 00:46:36.300
Here's Kate, Emmy Bron.

1127
00:46:36.360 --> 00:46:38.219
That's great.

1128
00:46:39.300 --> 00:46:42.119
All IQ leaves the building now.

1129
00:46:42.179 --> 00:46:43.619
Oh my god.

1130
00:46:43.619 --> 00:46:44.219
Talk.

1131
00:46:44.280 --> 00:46:45.480
Can't.

1132
00:46:46.139 --> 00:46:48.960
They've given up writing lines.

1133
00:46:48.960 --> 00:46:51.480
I've just given her single words to do.

1134
00:46:51.599 --> 00:46:57.059
It's not the spatial distortions. have damaged her speed shader.

1135
00:46:57.059 --> 00:47:00.360
It's the bit where she jumps up.

1136
00:47:00.420 --> 00:47:02.579
I just was laughing my head up.

1137
00:47:02.639 --> 00:47:05.159
I was like, okay, go be with your kids, please.

1138
00:47:05.340 --> 00:47:09.840
Instead of enforcing the explosion hours, it forced the implosion

1139
00:47:09.840 --> 00:47:10.320
inwards.

1140
00:47:10.380 --> 00:47:12.000
Are you saying it made things worse?

1141
00:47:12.059 --> 00:47:12.599
We don't know.

1142
00:47:12.659 --> 00:47:15.599
Like, what the fuck is this?

1143
00:47:15.659 --> 00:47:16.679
I can say.

1144
00:47:16.739 --> 00:47:18.119
It's nothing.

1145
00:47:18.179 --> 00:47:19.139
What can we do?

1146
00:47:19.139 --> 00:47:20.699
I can't help but notice.

1147
00:47:20.760 --> 00:47:22.679
We're 40 minutes in.

1148
00:47:22.860 --> 00:47:25.440
Oh, well, I'll tell you what, right?

1149
00:47:25.500 --> 00:47:27.119
Let's just stand here, yeah?

1150
00:47:27.179 --> 00:47:30.719
And hope once it goes through us, everything's going to be okay

1151
00:47:30.719 --> 00:47:32.639
because we've only got 5 minutes left.

1152
00:47:32.699 --> 00:47:35.340
I hate to tell you, there's 10 minutes.

1153
00:47:35.400 --> 00:47:36.300
Oh no, please.

1154
00:47:36.360 --> 00:47:38.099
Anything but that.

1155
00:47:38.159 --> 00:47:39.840
Oh, 10 minutes.

1156
00:47:39.900 --> 00:47:41.519
You say, okay, all right.

1157
00:47:41.579 --> 00:47:42.599
Good great.

1158
00:47:42.659 --> 00:47:49.199
So, one of the very best episodes of Space 1999 has the encounter

1159
00:47:49.199 --> 00:47:51.480
a thing called a black sun, and they don't know what it is, and

1160
00:47:51.480 --> 00:47:52.980
it's deliberately not a black hole.

1161
00:47:53.039 --> 00:47:56.760
It's like a black sun, and it's going to destroy the ship, and the

1162
00:47:56.760 --> 00:47:59.099
ship, the base, the moon, and they don't know what to do.

1163
00:47:59.159 --> 00:48:02.159
And they eventually decide that thing is to just sit there and let

1164
00:48:02.159 --> 00:48:04.559
it go through and they don't know whether they're going to live or

1165
00:48:04.559 --> 00:48:04.920
die.

1166
00:48:04.980 --> 00:48:10.980
And it is so weird and strange and beautiful because it's

1167
00:48:10.980 --> 00:48:12.719
stunningly interestingly directed.

1168
00:48:12.780 --> 00:48:19.619
It's full of weird half formed ideas about kind of faith and all

1169
00:48:19.619 --> 00:48:23.099
sorts of things and it is a thing that they resolve simply by

1170
00:48:23.099 --> 00:48:23.639
doing nothing.

1171
00:48:23.699 --> 00:48:26.880
And it's beautiful and strange and haunting.

1172
00:48:26.940 --> 00:48:30.300
And it's one of the things that I saw when I was 10 and I've never

1173
00:48:30.300 --> 00:48:31.739
ever stopped thinking about it.

1174
00:48:31.860 --> 00:48:36.119
And this reminded me of that, except that it has no positive

1175
00:48:36.119 --> 00:48:37.440
qualities, very kind.

1176
00:48:37.500 --> 00:48:42.599
There is so much you can do with an ensemble crew that is

1177
00:48:42.599 --> 00:48:47.639
accepting the inevitability of a potential death, right?

1178
00:48:47.699 --> 00:48:50.940
And your chance to sort of say all the things that you never

1179
00:48:50.940 --> 00:48:54.960
normally say and then sort of go cough cough in a British sort of

1180
00:48:54.960 --> 00:48:56.219
way afterwards when they don't die.

1181
00:48:56.280 --> 00:49:00.900
But here, it's just them going, well, you know, if anyone can get

1182
00:49:00.900 --> 00:49:03.239
out of this, I'm sure Neelix is the person who can.

1183
00:49:03.300 --> 00:49:04.079
You know what it is?

1184
00:49:04.139 --> 00:49:06.840
It's Nelix doing that.

1185
00:49:07.380 --> 00:49:11.699
But we can't decide what to do now because there's nothing to

1186
00:49:11.699 --> 00:49:12.000
this.

1187
00:49:12.059 --> 00:49:13.079
Here we go.

1188
00:49:13.079 --> 00:49:13.860
It's impossible to tell.

1189
00:49:13.920 --> 00:49:17.159
It's talking to me.

1190
00:49:17.159 --> 00:49:18.059
She goes.

1191
00:49:18.599 --> 00:49:21.239
Oh.

1192
00:49:21.239 --> 00:49:23.460
Oh, dear.

1193
00:49:23.519 --> 00:49:26.760
And because that's the thing that comes in at the end too.

1194
00:49:26.820 --> 00:49:27.960
So you remember?

1195
00:49:28.079 --> 00:49:30.420
in Star Trek Discovery season two?

1196
00:49:30.480 --> 00:49:34.739
Probably not, where they're finding a thing called control.

1197
00:49:35.039 --> 00:49:37.679
Or they come across the sphere.

1198
00:49:37.739 --> 00:49:39.000
Do you remember the sphere data?

1199
00:49:39.059 --> 00:49:43.500
They come across this thing called the sphere. dumps all of this

1200
00:49:43.500 --> 00:49:44.579
data into the ship.

1201
00:49:45.119 --> 00:49:49.139
And then they take the sphere data into the future because control

1202
00:49:49.139 --> 00:49:50.340
wants it or something.

1203
00:49:50.400 --> 00:49:52.260
That's why they go into the future.

1204
00:49:52.260 --> 00:49:55.260
And that's what makes the ship sentient.

1205
00:49:55.320 --> 00:49:58.559
And but there's giga quads of data and it will take the things

1206
00:49:58.559 --> 00:50:01.500
100,000 years old, it will take forever to learn something from

1207
00:50:01.500 --> 00:50:01.739
it.

1208
00:50:01.860 --> 00:50:03.719
And so this is the thing here.

1209
00:50:03.780 --> 00:50:06.840
Like heaps and heaps of data ends up in the ship's data banks.

1210
00:50:06.840 --> 00:50:10.980
And it's read all of the ship's data and so what?

1211
00:50:11.039 --> 00:50:11.760
Do you know what I mean?

1212
00:50:11.820 --> 00:50:15.960
Like, it's just like, it's just a Star Trek idea that doesn't mean

1213
00:50:15.960 --> 00:50:19.199
anything or have anything do with the episode that has no

1214
00:50:19.199 --> 00:50:23.159
implications for anything and that doesn't justify the boring shit

1215
00:50:23.159 --> 00:50:26.519
that we've had to sit through for like 42 minutes or like.

1216
00:50:26.639 --> 00:50:28.619
I genuinely think in the writer's room, right?

1217
00:50:28.679 --> 00:50:29.699
Someone said, right.

1218
00:50:29.760 --> 00:50:36.420
Okay, how can we run on the spot for 45 minutes and not spend a

1219
00:50:36.420 --> 00:50:40.739
penny apart from having the actors in at the same time?

1220
00:50:41.699 --> 00:50:44.099
And they went, well, we won't write that.

1221
00:50:44.159 --> 00:50:46.079
Oh, just get him in tomorrow.

1222
00:50:46.139 --> 00:50:47.039
We'll think of something.

1223
00:50:47.159 --> 00:50:53.099
But, I mean, you know, you said duet is not an expensive episode.

1224
00:50:53.159 --> 00:50:56.219
It's 2 actors sitting there talking to each other.

1225
00:50:56.280 --> 00:50:59.099
You know, they or disaster.

1226
00:50:59.159 --> 00:51:02.159
Like I said, disaster maybe is a bit expensive.

1227
00:51:02.219 --> 00:51:06.300
It has some special effects in it, but yeah, see, I quite like the

1228
00:51:06.300 --> 00:51:09.420
I do like the pool table there going all wibbly. pretty good.

1229
00:51:09.480 --> 00:51:14.039
But, you know, like you could write something if you had any kind

1230
00:51:14.039 --> 00:51:18.239
of talent or some ideas or something, but...

1231
00:51:18.300 --> 00:51:20.460
Oh, are you afraid, says Harry?

1232
00:51:20.519 --> 00:51:22.920
Oh, you know, I choose live, says Tom.

1233
00:51:22.980 --> 00:51:23.820
No, there you go.

1234
00:51:23.820 --> 00:51:24.960
This is what you want.

1235
00:51:25.019 --> 00:51:25.679
Do you know, Tom?

1236
00:51:25.739 --> 00:51:27.719
I've been thinking about fucking you for some time.

1237
00:51:27.780 --> 00:51:30.179
If we get through this, how about it?

1238
00:51:30.239 --> 00:51:30.780
Yeah?

1239
00:51:32.880 --> 00:51:35.639
I was so worried about Neelix.

1240
00:51:35.699 --> 00:51:39.480
I haven't been abused emotionally for at least half an hour

1241
00:51:40.139 --> 00:51:43.559
starting to feel like there's another life ahead of me.

1242
00:51:43.619 --> 00:51:45.179
Oh my god.

1243
00:51:45.239 --> 00:51:47.699
I mean, look, they all just look so bored.

1244
00:51:48.900 --> 00:51:53.039
We haven't seen them this board since the end of course oblivion

1245
00:51:53.039 --> 00:51:57.300
when they were sitting around also waiting...

1246
00:51:57.539 --> 00:52:00.480
At least isn't as ugly as that.

1247
00:52:00.539 --> 00:52:01.559
Yeah.

1248
00:52:01.559 --> 00:52:03.059
Oh, that's nice.

1249
00:52:03.119 --> 00:52:03.900
I do like the hug.

1250
00:52:03.960 --> 00:52:05.760
Yeah, I like the hug too.

1251
00:52:05.820 --> 00:52:10.500
And again, I think Bob is the one who comes out of this sort of

1252
00:52:10.500 --> 00:52:16.559
least badly off. spare me Chakotay's native American praying now.

1253
00:52:16.619 --> 00:52:17.940
Yeah, that's right.

1254
00:52:18.000 --> 00:52:20.760
I'm just seeking some spiritual enlightenment.

1255
00:52:20.820 --> 00:52:22.980
Torres goes, oh, I could do with some of that.

1256
00:52:23.039 --> 00:52:24.480
Can I sit down at this table with you?

1257
00:52:24.599 --> 00:52:28.079
Can we touch fingers in a way that would be sexy in any other

1258
00:52:28.079 --> 00:52:29.219
context except this?

1259
00:52:29.340 --> 00:52:33.179
Actually, resolutions was pretty cheap as well, wasn't it?

1260
00:52:33.239 --> 00:52:34.920
just a forest set and that was it.

1261
00:52:34.980 --> 00:52:36.539
Janeway and Chakotay.

1262
00:52:36.599 --> 00:52:37.440
That was an amazing episode.

1263
00:52:37.500 --> 00:52:39.059
They had to chant.

1264
00:52:39.059 --> 00:52:40.619
They had to play for the monkey.

1265
00:52:40.679 --> 00:52:44.519
There was a wrangler. about a monkey.

1266
00:52:44.579 --> 00:52:47.519
She goes, this hot man in front of me.

1267
00:52:47.579 --> 00:52:49.260
I was obsessed with this monkey.

1268
00:52:49.320 --> 00:52:50.519
Just not breathe.

1269
00:52:53.340 --> 00:52:55.679
They're so much funnier.

1270
00:52:55.739 --> 00:52:56.699
Speed up.

1271
00:52:57.119 --> 00:53:01.019
They're so much funnier in the conventions than they ever are on

1272
00:53:01.019 --> 00:53:01.860
screen, you know?

1273
00:53:01.980 --> 00:53:06.480
But like why, the dialogue is coming at the rate of like one line

1274
00:53:06.480 --> 00:53:08.460
every 15 seconds.

1275
00:53:08.579 --> 00:53:10.380
What's happening here?

1276
00:53:10.500 --> 00:53:14.519
Actually, do you remember the scene in, oh, what was it called?

1277
00:53:14.579 --> 00:53:15.840
You know where they were having the visions?

1278
00:53:15.960 --> 00:53:21.000
Torres had the vision of her fucking chakotay in her quarters.

1279
00:53:21.059 --> 00:53:21.480
Do you remember?

1280
00:53:21.539 --> 00:53:22.019
We watched that one.

1281
00:53:22.079 --> 00:53:23.219
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1282
00:53:23.280 --> 00:53:23.699
Yeah.

1283
00:53:23.760 --> 00:53:25.559
Oh, no, it was better than this.

1284
00:53:25.619 --> 00:53:26.460
Come on.

1285
00:53:26.519 --> 00:53:28.440
He just put his hand on Harry's shoulder.

1286
00:53:28.500 --> 00:53:30.360
Touch his arse, at least if you're going to die.

1287
00:53:30.420 --> 00:53:31.139
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1288
00:53:31.199 --> 00:53:34.199
And now their heads are getting all warped in a way that's really

1289
00:53:34.199 --> 00:53:35.340
just not good to look at.

1290
00:53:35.400 --> 00:53:37.619
How do they make Roxanne look that ugly?

1291
00:53:37.619 --> 00:53:38.400
Look at her.

1292
00:53:38.460 --> 00:53:39.599
Yeah, yeah. they doing?

1293
00:53:39.659 --> 00:53:41.880
Like, why, why, yeah.

1294
00:53:42.599 --> 00:53:44.280
It's not even gaining momentum.

1295
00:53:44.340 --> 00:53:45.840
It's so slow this thing.

1296
00:53:45.900 --> 00:53:47.820
No, it's so boring.

1297
00:53:47.940 --> 00:53:49.860
It's like oh, well.

1298
00:53:49.920 --> 00:53:50.940
You know?

1299
00:53:51.000 --> 00:53:54.539
Plus they just strike me as a team that can't fix a space problem

1300
00:53:54.539 --> 00:53:54.960
now.

1301
00:53:54.960 --> 00:53:56.519
Because they just went, oh, well.

1302
00:53:56.579 --> 00:53:57.300
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1303
00:53:57.360 --> 00:54:01.079
That's your basic function on this show, all right, is to find a

1304
00:54:01.079 --> 00:54:01.440
solution.

1305
00:54:01.500 --> 00:54:04.679
Who thinks that that shot was a good idea?

1306
00:54:04.800 --> 00:54:08.039
Like, who thinks that shot of them all, just looking distorted, was

1307
00:54:08.039 --> 00:54:11.519
a good idea. that anyone would want to see that.

1308
00:54:11.579 --> 00:54:12.960
We're okay Nathan.

1309
00:54:13.019 --> 00:54:14.099
Yeah.

1310
00:54:14.099 --> 00:54:14.699
Yeah.

1311
00:54:16.559 --> 00:54:19.860
Oh, the subtitles says J. 42 minutes and 40 seconds.

1312
00:54:19.980 --> 00:54:21.420
Okay.

1313
00:54:21.480 --> 00:54:23.820
Yeah, yeah. moaning as well.

1314
00:54:23.880 --> 00:54:26.460
She goes, oh my god, my hair's in disarray.

1315
00:54:26.519 --> 00:54:27.900
Things must have got bad.

1316
00:54:27.960 --> 00:54:28.980
I've just been lying here.

1317
00:54:29.039 --> 00:54:30.659
That's all right.

1318
00:54:30.719 --> 00:54:32.039
I can say words forward now.

1319
00:54:32.099 --> 00:54:34.800
She goes, no matter how bad my hair looks.

1320
00:54:34.860 --> 00:54:35.760
Look at case.

1321
00:54:35.820 --> 00:54:36.480
I mean, come on.

1322
00:54:38.639 --> 00:54:40.980
The spatial dishaustion.

1323
00:54:41.039 --> 00:54:41.699
What happened?

1324
00:54:41.760 --> 00:54:43.619
No, it's just gone.

1325
00:54:43.679 --> 00:54:44.159
It's gone.

1326
00:54:44.219 --> 00:54:45.239
Yeah, no it just went.

1327
00:54:45.300 --> 00:54:47.400
Was it trying to communicate with us?

1328
00:54:47.460 --> 00:54:48.179
We don't know.

1329
00:54:50.219 --> 00:54:54.179
Nothing that we've done today has meant anything.

1330
00:54:54.239 --> 00:54:57.659
I like to think Janeway did her log at the end of the day.

1331
00:54:57.719 --> 00:54:59.039
It's a bit of funny old day.

1332
00:54:59.099 --> 00:55:03.420
We encountered a wibbly space problem, which we couldn't solve, you

1333
00:55:03.420 --> 00:55:05.400
know, it's very strange woman.

1334
00:55:05.460 --> 00:55:07.079
Don't you think she looks cross?

1335
00:55:07.139 --> 00:55:10.800
She's kind of like, fuck, Tom, can you do something about

1336
00:55:10.800 --> 00:55:11.519
anything?

1337
00:55:11.579 --> 00:55:14.219
I've been stuck here at the console whilst this wibbly thing's

1338
00:55:14.219 --> 00:55:21.420
been going through militia in the bar. 20000000 giga quads of new

1339
00:55:21.420 --> 00:55:21.840
information.

1340
00:55:21.900 --> 00:55:24.119
That's a long DLC pack.

1341
00:55:24.179 --> 00:55:24.960
I don't know.

1342
00:55:25.019 --> 00:55:26.219
I don't know what quality is.

1343
00:55:26.280 --> 00:55:29.400
I think it's one external memory drive.

1344
00:55:29.460 --> 00:55:31.739
Extra That's it.

1345
00:55:33.239 --> 00:55:38.159
I think I produce a giga quite of audio information from each

1346
00:55:38.159 --> 00:55:40.320
episode of USDP, I record.

1347
00:55:40.380 --> 00:55:41.400
Fuck off.

1348
00:55:41.460 --> 00:55:43.619
Oh, they wanted to learn about us as well.

1349
00:55:43.679 --> 00:55:46.139
That's their way of communicating with us What?

1350
00:55:46.139 --> 00:55:46.500
What?

1351
00:55:46.559 --> 00:55:47.400
What?

1352
00:55:47.460 --> 00:55:48.360
Yeah, yeah.

1353
00:55:48.420 --> 00:55:49.500
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1354
00:55:49.559 --> 00:55:50.880
And what have we learned?

1355
00:55:50.940 --> 00:55:52.739
They were just trying to say hello.

1356
00:55:52.800 --> 00:55:55.380
Here comes Nelix with the chabalian fire.

1357
00:55:55.440 --> 00:55:55.980
With the cake.

1358
00:55:56.039 --> 00:55:56.880
Oh my god.

1359
00:55:56.880 --> 00:55:59.219
I only have a bit of my wick candle.

1360
00:55:59.400 --> 00:56:01.380
Yeah, yuck.

1361
00:56:01.500 --> 00:56:02.159
Ew.

1362
00:56:02.219 --> 00:56:04.380
Actually, look at all the nuts around the side as well.

1363
00:56:04.440 --> 00:56:06.300
I don't really like nuts on cake.

1364
00:56:06.480 --> 00:56:10.380
I think they found out that the worst Robert has a nut allergy and

1365
00:56:10.380 --> 00:56:11.099
they're trying to kill him.

1366
00:56:11.159 --> 00:56:12.239
Oh, fucking hell.

1367
00:56:12.300 --> 00:56:12.659
Look at that.

1368
00:56:12.719 --> 00:56:15.480
Oh, I've put your picture in the locket, Neelix, all right?

1369
00:56:15.539 --> 00:56:17.280
Because you're close to my heart.

1370
00:56:17.820 --> 00:56:18.059
Yeah.

1371
00:56:18.119 --> 00:56:18.480
Yeah.

1372
00:56:18.480 --> 00:56:19.980
Oh, thank you.

1373
00:56:20.039 --> 00:56:20.940
Oh, he said, don't worry.

1374
00:56:21.000 --> 00:56:23.280
I won't have to use the hypnol next time then.

1375
00:56:23.820 --> 00:56:26.579
And off we go into space again.

1376
00:56:26.639 --> 00:56:28.079
Other adventures.

1377
00:56:28.139 --> 00:56:29.579
Once next week.

1378
00:56:29.639 --> 00:56:33.659
No, you can't say other adventures when there wasn't an adventure

1379
00:56:33.659 --> 00:56:33.900
here.

1380
00:56:35.519 --> 00:56:37.860
What was the following episode?

1381
00:56:37.920 --> 00:56:39.719
What's the next episode?

1382
00:56:39.780 --> 00:56:42.239
I don't have a...

1383
00:56:42.300 --> 00:56:43.260
Let's have a little look now.

1384
00:56:43.320 --> 00:56:46.440
It's going to jump straight to it on the on Amazon Prime.

1385
00:56:46.500 --> 00:56:46.800
Okay.

1386
00:56:46.800 --> 00:56:49.260
It is the 37s.

1387
00:56:49.320 --> 00:56:50.340
No, that's not right.

1388
00:56:50.400 --> 00:56:51.659
That's all right.

1389
00:56:51.719 --> 00:56:54.300
They've got it out of all of the 37...

1390
00:56:54.360 --> 00:56:56.340
Season 10. production order.

1391
00:56:56.460 --> 00:56:57.300
What's going on here?

1392
00:56:57.360 --> 00:56:58.679
Amazon Prime.

1393
00:56:58.679 --> 00:56:59.579
Out of the pool.

1394
00:56:59.639 --> 00:56:59.940
All right.

1395
00:57:00.059 --> 00:57:01.199
You've got the order role.

1396
00:57:01.260 --> 00:57:04.320
But you know, because they've put Twisted as episode four.

1397
00:57:04.380 --> 00:57:06.900
But at the start of this, you said it was episode six.

1398
00:57:06.960 --> 00:57:08.039
Yeah, yeah.

1399
00:57:08.099 --> 00:57:10.440
It's episode six, it's all in some weird wrong order.

1400
00:57:10.500 --> 00:57:13.199
Do you think they sort of lulled us into our false sense of

1401
00:57:13.199 --> 00:57:16.079
security in season 2 and then hit us with this when we were

1402
00:57:16.079 --> 00:57:16.860
relaxed?

1403
00:57:16.920 --> 00:57:20.940
It's possible, too, that Amazon Counts Caretaker is one episode

1404
00:57:20.940 --> 00:57:22.079
and I cared.

1405
00:57:22.139 --> 00:57:23.639
That's possible.

1406
00:57:23.699 --> 00:57:26.699
It makes a difference Well, whatever came next, yeah.

1407
00:57:26.760 --> 00:57:31.500
At least we could say hopefully it was an adventure, unlike this.

1408
00:57:31.559 --> 00:57:32.340
Yes.

1409
00:57:32.400 --> 00:57:34.559
That unbelievable.

1410
00:57:34.619 --> 00:57:35.699
Just unbelievable.

1411
00:57:35.760 --> 00:57:40.260
Now, I mean, I did laugh a lot at the sort of the exposure that

1412
00:57:40.260 --> 00:57:46.440
the corridor's got in that and, you know, the lack of chemistry

1413
00:57:46.440 --> 00:57:51.059
and development and or anything in that episode.

1414
00:57:51.420 --> 00:57:57.420
Well, I kind of felt that I would feel a whole lot better if I

1415
00:57:57.420 --> 00:58:03.239
just sat down and watched Shades of Grey and say...

1416
00:58:03.300 --> 00:58:04.920
Yes, yes, please.

1417
00:58:04.980 --> 00:58:06.119
Yes.

1418
00:58:06.179 --> 00:58:09.360
It's nice to watch a Star Trek episode with some substance to it.

1419
00:58:09.420 --> 00:58:10.199
Exactly.

1420
00:58:17.579 --> 00:58:21.360
All right, it's the end of the episode, and it's time for us to

1421
00:58:21.360 --> 00:58:22.800
work out where we're going next.

1422
00:58:22.860 --> 00:58:27.780
We are in a happy position here at Untitled Star Trek Project in

1423
00:58:27.780 --> 00:58:28.139
that.

1424
00:58:28.260 --> 00:58:34.260
It is simply impossible for us to roll an episode duller and less

1425
00:58:34.260 --> 00:58:36.059
ambitious than the one that we've watched.

1426
00:58:36.119 --> 00:58:39.900
So this is going to be an excellent choice for me.

1427
00:58:39.960 --> 00:58:43.500
We have had this gauge before, you know, we've said this before.

1428
00:58:43.559 --> 00:58:47.400
It would be impossible to find something worse than this.

1429
00:58:47.460 --> 00:58:49.199
We said it about manhunt.

1430
00:58:49.260 --> 00:58:53.699
We said it about course oblivion, you know, the floor gets ever

1431
00:58:53.699 --> 00:58:56.159
lower, the more we explore this stuff.

1432
00:58:56.280 --> 00:59:00.780
I'd be surprised if there was anything worse than twisted, to be

1433
00:59:00.780 --> 00:59:00.960
honest.

1434
00:59:01.019 --> 00:59:03.719
Well, depends whether you're taking us to Enterprise or not.

1435
00:59:03.780 --> 00:59:06.059
Well, no, I did that last time.

1436
00:59:06.119 --> 00:59:07.019
I'm not going to do that.

1437
00:59:07.079 --> 00:59:15.119
So we are instead going to a beloved series of Kurtzman Trek, and

1438
00:59:15.119 --> 00:59:18.000
it is Star Trek, Strange New Worlds.

1439
00:59:18.119 --> 00:59:19.739
Oh, my word.

1440
00:59:19.800 --> 00:59:22.440
Well, yes, I mean, at worst, it'll be entertaining.

1441
00:59:22.500 --> 00:59:24.239
Yeah, it always is.

1442
00:59:24.300 --> 00:59:27.360
And of course, even though we're slightly ahead with Star Trek

1443
00:59:27.360 --> 00:59:28.199
Stranger Worlds.

1444
00:59:28.260 --> 00:59:32.579
We're about sort of 23% of the way through Strangely Worlds and

1445
00:59:32.579 --> 00:59:35.880
we're bid over 21% of the way through Star Trek as a whole.

1446
00:59:35.940 --> 00:59:40.679
Of course, Stranger World season 4 is on its way very soon.

1447
00:59:40.739 --> 00:59:45.780
And so we can afford to take time out to do one of them as a

1448
00:59:45.780 --> 00:59:48.900
palate cleanser after this, I think we deserve it.

1449
00:59:48.960 --> 00:59:50.940
I've not seen any of series 3.

1450
00:59:51.179 --> 00:59:57.239
Do you know, the last thing I saw was all system stable.

1451
00:59:57.300 --> 00:59:59.639
No, no, because we...

1452
00:59:59.639 --> 01:00:00.539
Oh, hang on.

1453
01:00:00.599 --> 01:00:02.519
Did we do the 2 par that goes into series three?

1454
01:00:02.579 --> 01:00:03.420
Have I seen the 1st episode?

1455
01:00:03.480 --> 01:00:04.440
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1456
01:00:04.500 --> 01:00:05.519
So you've seen the 1st episode?

1457
01:00:05.639 --> 01:00:06.360
Okay, sorry.

1458
01:00:06.360 --> 01:00:07.739
Yeah, but none of the rest.

1459
01:00:07.920 --> 01:00:09.960
Okay, all right.

1460
01:00:10.019 --> 01:00:13.199
Well, I'm gonna leave it all open because there are only, you know

1461
01:00:13.199 --> 01:00:14.159
30 episodes.

1462
01:00:14.219 --> 01:00:18.059
So let's choose one of them at random.

1463
01:00:18.119 --> 01:00:18.840
Here goes.

1464
01:00:20.039 --> 01:00:22.019
Oh, we've done this one.

1465
01:00:22.079 --> 01:00:27.300
It's Star Trek, Strange New Worlds, season one, episode one

1466
01:00:27.300 --> 01:00:28.320
Strange New Worlds.

1467
01:00:28.380 --> 01:00:31.019
So...

1468
01:00:31.079 --> 01:00:31.320
Yes.

1469
01:00:31.440 --> 01:00:33.900
Yep, that was our episode 30.

1470
01:00:34.380 --> 01:00:36.780
Let's try another one.

1471
01:00:38.099 --> 01:00:43.380
All right, this, and I can't remember this, embarrassingly enough

1472
01:00:43.380 --> 01:00:47.280
it's season one, episode 4, Memento Mori.

1473
01:00:47.340 --> 01:00:50.400
Actually, I can just conjure synopses out of my brain.

1474
01:00:50.460 --> 01:00:55.739
So while coming to the aid of a colony in distress, the enterprise

1475
01:00:55.739 --> 01:01:00.599
is ambushed by an unknown enemy with superior firepower resulting

1476
01:01:00.599 --> 01:01:04.320
in a deadly series of pursuits and tactical engagements.

1477
01:01:04.380 --> 01:01:07.860
I've seen this one and I remember it being gone.

1478
01:01:07.920 --> 01:01:08.940
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1479
01:01:09.000 --> 01:01:11.639
And it is a really good episode.

1480
01:01:11.699 --> 01:01:13.679
It's really exciting. a good episode.

1481
01:01:13.739 --> 01:01:19.260
We have done 3 corn episodes of Stranger Worlds.

1482
01:01:19.320 --> 01:01:21.719
It's our kink and we're proud of it.

1483
01:01:21.780 --> 01:01:23.880
It is our kink. are pretty great.

1484
01:01:23.940 --> 01:01:26.460
In fact, I think we've done four.

1485
01:01:26.519 --> 01:01:29.639
So I think we are gonna move on.

1486
01:01:29.699 --> 01:01:32.880
Strangely wells, you need to drop a new gone episode, all right?

1487
01:01:32.940 --> 01:01:34.920
Otherwise, we'll be out of Gords.

1488
01:01:34.980 --> 01:01:36.059
Exactly.

1489
01:01:36.179 --> 01:01:38.099
We've done this ones.

1490
01:01:38.219 --> 01:01:42.719
The Serene Squall with Angel, who is absolutely superb.

1491
01:01:42.780 --> 01:01:45.659
Um, I'll try for another one.

1492
01:01:45.840 --> 01:01:48.179
Oh, this is quite good.

1493
01:01:48.239 --> 01:01:50.400
This is season three, episode three.

1494
01:01:50.519 --> 01:01:53.039
Shuttle to Ken Fory.

1495
01:01:53.099 --> 01:01:55.619
Shuttle to Ken Fory.

1496
01:01:55.679 --> 01:01:57.719
It's Pyka Mabenga, this one.

1497
01:01:57.780 --> 01:02:01.980
Travelling off to a forbidden planet to retrieve a possible cure.

1498
01:02:02.039 --> 01:02:04.860
Yes, for Patel.

1499
01:02:04.920 --> 01:02:06.659
It's really gory.

1500
01:02:06.719 --> 01:02:09.300
I like a bit of gory.

1501
01:02:09.360 --> 01:02:11.940
Gory one way, the blue man got eaten up.

1502
01:02:12.000 --> 01:02:12.780
I mean, I loved it.

1503
01:02:13.559 --> 01:02:16.739
I wouldn't mind something a little bit lighter than this.

1504
01:02:16.800 --> 01:02:18.000
It's a bit heavy, I think.

1505
01:02:18.059 --> 01:02:19.260
Okay.

1506
01:02:19.320 --> 01:02:21.420
Is this the one that people weren't too sure about?

1507
01:02:21.480 --> 01:02:25.739
There was one in episode season three, which garnered some less

1508
01:02:25.739 --> 01:02:27.239
than stellar reviews.

1509
01:02:27.300 --> 01:02:28.079
Was it that one?

1510
01:02:28.139 --> 01:02:30.059
No, I'm not sure.

1511
01:02:30.119 --> 01:02:30.780
I'm not sure.

1512
01:02:30.840 --> 01:02:31.739
I liked it.

1513
01:02:31.800 --> 01:02:35.760
I did like it, but it was a bit rough going, I think, in places

1514
01:02:35.760 --> 01:02:38.699
which is something that Stranger Worlds does, fortunately.

1515
01:02:38.699 --> 01:02:41.579
It's not all musicals and kind of...

1516
01:02:41.579 --> 01:02:43.320
What a shame you didn't get. choose the next one.

1517
01:02:43.380 --> 01:02:45.119
It's called a space adventure hour.

1518
01:02:45.179 --> 01:02:48.360
That sounds like it entirely what you need. right now.

1519
01:02:48.420 --> 01:02:49.380
That is amazing.

1520
01:02:49.440 --> 01:02:53.219
That's all we wanted from you, Twisted, a Space Adventure Hour.

1521
01:02:53.280 --> 01:02:55.440
Which is the point, I think.

1522
01:02:55.500 --> 01:02:56.940
All right, let's try again.

1523
01:02:58.380 --> 01:03:03.000
Season three, episode 5 through the lens of time.

1524
01:03:03.059 --> 01:03:07.199
Oh, and away mission takes the enterprise landing party to a

1525
01:03:07.199 --> 01:03:10.679
mysterious temple that is rumoured to hold the secret of

1526
01:03:10.679 --> 01:03:14.579
immortality, but reveals a dangerous presence instead.

1527
01:03:14.699 --> 01:03:17.400
I mean, that does sound like a bog standard Star Trek episode.

1528
01:03:17.519 --> 01:03:22.500
I'm sure, but it's a really, a really well done bog standard Star

1529
01:03:22.500 --> 01:03:26.219
Trek episode, which ends in a really horrifically upsetting way.

1530
01:03:26.340 --> 01:03:28.079
It's so wonderful.

1531
01:03:28.139 --> 01:03:30.480
You know, I love a better Star Trek, you know, with a cynical

1532
01:03:30.480 --> 01:03:30.960
ending.

1533
01:03:31.019 --> 01:03:37.559
Yeah, okay, this is, this is not, this is not...

1534
01:03:37.559 --> 01:03:40.380
I keep going until I roll a space adventure hour.

1535
01:03:43.199 --> 01:03:47.400
I'm not doing it till I get one of those fox sex comedies, for

1536
01:03:47.400 --> 01:03:48.059
God's sake.

1537
01:03:48.119 --> 01:03:49.019
That's right.

1538
01:03:49.139 --> 01:03:49.980
That's right.

1539
01:03:50.039 --> 01:03:51.840
Well, I think we could do it.

1540
01:03:51.900 --> 01:03:55.559
It is an important one in the arc of season three.

1541
01:03:55.860 --> 01:04:00.179
And it introduces some things that do come in later.

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01:04:00.239 --> 01:04:04.260
I think it's really well made and super interesting looking and

1543
01:04:04.260 --> 01:04:05.519
visually stunning.

1544
01:04:05.579 --> 01:04:10.139
It even has some weird experiments with spatial relationships

1545
01:04:10.139 --> 01:04:13.019
between rooms, which you might have thought.

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01:04:13.019 --> 01:04:17.699
We had enough of after this week, but it does show you how it can

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01:04:17.699 --> 01:04:21.300
actually be done if you have imagination and money.

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01:04:22.019 --> 01:04:25.019
I've only got one demand, all right?

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01:04:25.079 --> 01:04:27.119
Does something happen in it?

1550
01:04:27.179 --> 01:04:28.559
Yes.

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01:04:28.619 --> 01:04:29.699
Well, let's do it.

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01:04:29.760 --> 01:04:30.960
Let's do it.

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01:04:31.619 --> 01:04:34.199
The only way is up, baby.

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01:04:42.420 --> 01:04:46.260
You've been listening to untitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford

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01:04:46.260 --> 01:04:47.340
and Nathan Bottomley.

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01:04:47.400 --> 01:04:51.000
We're online at untitled Star Trek Project.com, where you can find

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01:04:51.000 --> 01:04:54.059
subscription links and links to our social media accounts.

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01:04:54.119 --> 01:04:57.900
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Ciceran, and the theme was

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01:04:57.900 --> 01:04:59.400
composed by Cameron Lahn.

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01:04:59.519 --> 01:05:03.659
This episode was recorded on the 2nd of June 2026 and released on

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01:05:03.659 --> 01:05:04.440
the 5th of June.

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01:05:04.500 --> 01:05:08.219
We'll see you next time for Star Trek, Strange New Worlds, through

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01:05:08.219 --> 01:05:09.300
the lens of time.

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01:05:27.360 --> 01:05:28.619
Okay.

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01:05:28.619 --> 01:05:29.940
Okay.

1566
01:05:30.000 --> 01:05:35.579
Well, I would be quite in the mood, actually, for TRAD, but very

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01:05:35.579 --> 01:05:36.360
well done.

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01:05:36.420 --> 01:05:38.579
Strangely well, very good.

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01:05:38.639 --> 01:05:41.159
Oh God, I just rolled 4.5 Vulcans.

1570
01:05:41.219 --> 01:05:43.920
Is that one of the Spock X comedies?

1571
01:05:43.980 --> 01:05:48.719
No, so it's the one, remember, they did a, they did a, you must

1572
01:05:48.719 --> 01:05:51.420
have seen the short that they released at Comic-Con or something a

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01:05:51.420 --> 01:05:55.559
year before where they, 4 of the characters all get Vulcan DNA

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01:05:55.559 --> 01:05:59.219
injected into them and they turn into Vulcans and like there's

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01:05:59.219 --> 01:06:02.639
this spaceship, there's this thing they have to go down, but only

1576
01:06:02.639 --> 01:06:03.659
Vulcans can do it.

1577
01:06:03.719 --> 01:06:06.119
And so they do this Vulcan DNA thing.

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01:06:06.119 --> 01:06:14.280
And I think it's like it's Chapel, um, maybe Laan, Chapel, An, Pike

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01:06:14.280 --> 01:06:19.199
and someone else, and they all get maybe, maybe Aurora.

1580
01:06:19.260 --> 01:06:19.980
I can't remember.

1581
01:06:20.039 --> 01:06:22.139
And they all get turned into Vulcans, right?

1582
01:06:22.199 --> 01:06:25.800
And they all have, you know, pike has just massive hair and like

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01:06:25.800 --> 01:06:28.380
giant falconers and stuff and they're all super scary and kind of

1584
01:06:28.380 --> 01:06:28.920
ridiculous.

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01:06:28.980 --> 01:06:32.940
And then they, they beam down to the planet and they solve the

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01:06:32.940 --> 01:06:36.360
space problem in about 30 seconds because they're all Falcons and

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01:06:36.360 --> 01:06:37.920
they're all super confident and stuff.

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01:06:37.920 --> 01:06:41.099
And then they all come back and then the, the spray, the

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01:06:41.099 --> 01:06:44.400
hyperspray doesn't turn them back and so it's kind of stuck as

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01:06:44.400 --> 01:06:45.119
Falcons.

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01:06:45.239 --> 01:06:48.000
And of course, it's 4.5 Falcons because there's Spock, who is

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01:06:48.000 --> 01:06:51.420
nowhere near as good a Vulcan as any of them are.

1593
01:06:51.480 --> 01:06:54.179
It also has Patton Oswald in it.

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01:06:54.239 --> 01:06:59.219
Patton Oswald in it as a Vulcan called Doug, who's his parents

1595
01:06:59.219 --> 01:07:03.780
where like being fans of human beings, and so they call their son

1596
01:07:03.780 --> 01:07:07.139
Doug, and he's very cool, and it's all just just sort of fun

1597
01:07:07.139 --> 01:07:11.340
nonsense and larking about on the ship. but the main characters

1598
01:07:11.340 --> 01:07:15.000
are Vulcans and stuff and they end up fighting and all sorts of

1599
01:07:15.000 --> 01:07:15.420
things happen.

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01:07:15.480 --> 01:07:16.800
It's pretty funny.

1601
01:07:16.860 --> 01:07:18.960
It's a weird position, isn't it?

1602
01:07:19.079 --> 01:07:24.719
There is Strange New Wells and Academy to come because Strange New

1603
01:07:24.719 --> 01:07:27.780
Wells was a show that was kind of allowed to be a bit safe and

1604
01:07:27.780 --> 01:07:28.559
nostalgic.

1605
01:07:28.619 --> 01:07:33.179
But when that's all that's coming out, then you can't highlight it

1606
01:07:33.179 --> 01:07:35.820
against the other stuff that's being a bit more ambitious.

1607
01:07:35.940 --> 01:07:39.000
Yeah, more inventive like discovery or whatever or prodigy.

1608
01:07:39.059 --> 01:07:43.260
And I mean, Starfleet Academy does things that Star Trek has never

1609
01:07:43.260 --> 01:07:45.719
done before, but it's sort of come down having kind of been

1610
01:07:45.719 --> 01:07:47.579
cancelled in the middle of its run.

1611
01:07:47.639 --> 01:07:49.920
So that's all a bit kind of sad and stuff.

1612
01:07:49.980 --> 01:07:53.280
Okay, academy and prodigy I feel most sorry for.

1613
01:07:53.340 --> 01:07:54.480
They just really didn't.

1614
01:07:54.599 --> 01:07:57.300
I mean, they're good, but they don't, they don't get a chance to

1615
01:07:57.300 --> 01:07:59.820
have a good run, do they?

1616
01:07:59.880 --> 01:08:01.139
Like, yeah.

1617
01:08:01.199 --> 01:08:02.699
I mean, there's 40 episodes.

1618
01:08:03.239 --> 01:08:05.579
And they clearly, I saw all the social media books around

1619
01:08:05.579 --> 01:08:06.300
Academy.

1620
01:08:06.360 --> 01:08:10.139
They were having the best time making it. they get 20 episodes, you

1621
01:08:10.139 --> 01:08:10.380
know?

1622
01:08:10.619 --> 01:08:15.960
Yeah, those kids are adorable. like just really sweet and Gina was

1623
01:08:15.960 --> 01:08:17.579
really funny and you know.

1624
01:08:18.180 --> 01:08:19.619
Yeah.

1625
01:08:19.680 --> 01:08:25.079
There's a great moment in 4.5 Falcons where Pelia says, uh

1626
01:08:25.079 --> 01:08:28.260
something about taking LSD, and she said, uh, you know, like I

1627
01:08:28.260 --> 01:08:33.119
tried that in the 60s, and then in the 80s, and, and, you know

1628
01:08:33.119 --> 01:08:36.359
then last July. had no effect on me.

1629
01:08:40.979 --> 01:08:45.720
It is like, for me, that's the guarantee that I'm going to at

1630
01:08:45.720 --> 01:08:48.180
least like it because I like all the characters on that show.

1631
01:08:48.239 --> 01:08:52.739
If discovery falls on the wrong character, then I could be out, you

1632
01:08:52.739 --> 01:08:52.979
know?

1633
01:08:53.399 --> 01:08:58.140
But also discovery kind of is more ambitious and so it face plants

1634
01:08:58.140 --> 01:09:04.020
a little bit more often and because it's... it works or not.

1635
01:09:04.079 --> 01:09:09.060
Whereas, um, like, I think the thing that, that, that it does

1636
01:09:09.060 --> 01:09:13.319
that's risky is that it has like more comedy episodes than any

1637
01:09:13.319 --> 01:09:16.920
other Star Trek, but I really like that, but other people don't

1638
01:09:16.920 --> 01:09:20.640
you know, and people who don't understand how much of a comedy

1639
01:09:20.640 --> 01:09:22.260
Deep Space 9 is so often.

1640
01:09:22.319 --> 01:09:23.760
Oh, so much.

1641
01:09:23.760 --> 01:09:25.979
We're just trying to pay a drama sometimes.

1642
01:09:26.039 --> 01:09:27.119
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1643
01:09:27.180 --> 01:09:28.920
But that's that's what's good, you know?

1644
01:09:29.039 --> 01:09:32.760
You recognise the face of your anime.

1645
01:09:33.899 --> 01:09:36.539
We would laugh it all the way through that one.

1646
01:09:37.439 --> 01:09:43.380
Although, yeah, the other night shows, they just can't do comedy

1647
01:09:43.380 --> 01:09:43.739
can they?

1648
01:09:43.800 --> 01:09:44.699
They just can't do it.

1649
01:09:44.760 --> 01:09:46.800
It is painful.

1650
01:09:46.859 --> 01:09:49.859
Every now and again, they'll hit it. tapestry, something like

1651
01:09:49.859 --> 01:09:50.039
that.

1652
01:09:50.159 --> 01:09:54.239
They'll hit one where, you know, dejo queue we did, which was

1653
01:09:54.239 --> 01:09:54.659
quite funny.

1654
01:09:54.720 --> 01:09:57.479
High pursuits maybe. has its moments.

1655
01:09:57.539 --> 01:10:02.039
I do remember a lot, like, laughing out loud the 1st time, because

1656
01:10:02.039 --> 01:10:03.180
said, Mr. Broccoli.

1657
01:10:05.640 --> 01:10:11.699
I just remember, like, Marina turning to other Marina going, zip

1658
01:10:11.699 --> 01:10:12.000
it.

1659
01:10:12.300 --> 01:10:14.399
Like, just...

1660
01:10:14.399 --> 01:10:19.500
But Voyager really, really can't do comedy.

1661
01:10:19.560 --> 01:10:24.300
I don't know if it's the writers or if it's the actors or a

1662
01:10:24.300 --> 01:10:24.960
mixture of the two.

1663
01:10:25.020 --> 01:10:29.760
But it's, you know, but they try and do comedy and...

1664
01:10:29.760 --> 01:10:32.699
See, Bride of Chaotica might be the most successful.

1665
01:10:32.760 --> 01:10:33.899
Yeah.

1666
01:10:34.079 --> 01:10:41.279
I think they got their concept there and you've got Kate who can

1667
01:10:41.279 --> 01:10:42.960
deliver that beer.

1668
01:10:43.079 --> 01:10:45.479
And it is sort of funny. doesn't properly work.

1669
01:10:45.539 --> 01:10:46.920
So, isn't she?

1670
01:10:46.979 --> 01:10:48.359
She's good in it.

1671
01:10:48.420 --> 01:10:49.079
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1672
01:10:49.140 --> 01:10:49.739
Yeah.

1673
01:10:49.979 --> 01:10:53.039
Let my spider ships through.

1674
01:10:53.100 --> 01:10:55.439
So they can pay homage to you.

1675
01:10:56.279 --> 01:10:58.739
It's all in the delivery.

1676
01:10:58.800 --> 01:11:01.920
But there is a kind of crappiness to that script, though, I

1677
01:11:01.920 --> 01:11:02.100
think.

1678
01:11:02.159 --> 01:11:06.420
It's a brilliant idea, and it's just well done, but another

1679
01:11:06.420 --> 01:11:06.960
voyage.

1680
01:11:07.020 --> 01:11:08.819
Oh, someone to watch over me works.

1681
01:11:08.939 --> 01:11:10.680
Oh, does that?

1682
01:11:10.739 --> 01:11:16.800
Because it's Jerry and Robert Picardo and the best Robert.

1683
01:11:16.859 --> 01:11:19.079
Yeah, and I didn't realise that was a comedy.

1684
01:11:19.140 --> 01:11:23.460
And it's charming as well as funny, you know.

1685
01:11:23.579 --> 01:11:28.619
The Dr. Trotter trained 7 of 9 to be to go on a date.

1686
01:11:28.680 --> 01:11:31.680
It's just a, it's a great prowess.

1687
01:11:31.739 --> 01:11:33.600
Yeah. more often than not.

1688
01:11:33.659 --> 01:11:35.340
Ugh, hideous.

1689
01:11:35.399 --> 01:11:38.340
I mean, imagine them trying to do like an Arman Bashir or

1690
01:11:38.340 --> 01:11:42.000
something like that, you know, it would just be terrible.

1691
01:11:42.060 --> 01:11:42.779
Yeah.