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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So this week we're on board Enterprise for season two, episode

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four, an episode called Dead Stop, which went out on the 9th of

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October 2002, and it's directed by Roxanne Dawson.

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Yes, also living up to her tradition of playing evil computer

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people that try and kill all the regulars like Dreadnall.

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She's in this as well, isn't she?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I didn't actually recognise it because she is doing very sort of

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generic American lady announcer, like TV announcer or something.

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But I did listen again after reading the memory alpha page and

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it's unmistakeably her, isn't it?

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Well, like Roxanne, you're directing this one, you know, and you

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did that great voice in Treadnought.

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Will you just do it for us again?

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save us a bit of money.

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Calling this dead stop, Nathan.

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That was a bit bold, wasn't it?

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Like, that's usually what happens with our interests when we watch

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the 1st 2 series of Star Trek Enterprise.

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And, you know, pleasingly, both of us, I think, had quite a

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enjoyable reaction, at least for the 1st half of this episode

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where it is doing something a little bit different.

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And that's not something you can usually ever point at enterprise

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and say.

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Yeah, in fact, I remember thinking that it was charming.

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Like actually really quite enjoying it and getting to the kind of

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halfway point and being a little bit pleased that nothing very

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much had happened because I was just kind of enjoying hanging out

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and seeing this new environment.

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And this is not really a Star Trek environment, I think.

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This reminded me a little bit of something that you might find in

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the kind of new series of Doctor Who.

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It reminded me a little bit of the sort of random places that they

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land in Red Dwarf.

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It would have had a lot more jokes, you know, and crazy fast cool

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things happening, but, you know, just a weird space station in

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space automated where you have to give up something in order for

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it to repair things for you.

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That's such a juicy idea.

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But you're right, it is a really red dwarf idea. actually.

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I think you're right.

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And I think the other thing too is that with Star Trek, the Next

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Generation and sort of generally 90s trek, you can see that all of

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the sets of the stations or the colonies or whatever are kind of

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built up out of bits and pieces that they have lying around.

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And maybe they have a bit more money or something.

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But this had a very 1970s kind of vision of the future with the

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gleaming white walls and stuff.

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The sort of thing that you get on, say, Space 1999 or actually on

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Strange New Worlds.

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That's the aesthetic on Strangely Worlds, I think.

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Doctor Who's Ark in Space is literally this, isn't it?

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It's all clinical, so the horror stands out.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, and I really liked that.

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I thought that was really good and I thought that just the

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interactions like the the frustration of not being able to get

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past a phone tree and speak to a real person.

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Like all of that stuff was a kind of Star Trek-y thing on

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something that was sort of fairly modern at the time, an annoying

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part of everyday 21st century line.

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We've all been there, haven't we?

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And they literally do the thing where it just keeps repeating

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itself until you do what it wants you to do.

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Otherwise, this ain't going any further.

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So I just thought all of that was really charming.

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And I did think too, what was good was just the very light

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serialisation.

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And I think that that's a really good thing for Star Trek.

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Because this episode would have worked if you hadn't seen last

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week's episode, you would have just gone, we wish we happened last

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week.

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Yeah, it was a terrible episode.

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We've talked about it already.

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It's minefield.

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But Malcolm's been injured.

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The ship's been damaged and we need to do something.

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And like, I actually thought that that would have worked.

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We could have just started a Star Trek episode like that.

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We wouldn't have to have seen what happened last week and it would

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still have worked.

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Then it would have been narratively a little bit more interesting

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than what you normally get with Star Trek, which is we're just

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going along with the status quo and then a thing happens.

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You know, when Voyager does, you know, the killing game and it

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starts in the middle of a thing after the ship has already been

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taken over, for instance, or counterpoint, where they're already

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in this situation that they're aware of, but we're not.

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That's always interesting in Star Trek and you kind of get that

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here.

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I thought that worked really well.

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Well, it's just creating the story here out of the consequences of

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what happened last week whilst being no part of the episode last

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week.

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It's really, like, the Undertime Voyager, I can ever remember

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doing this, is the end of Scorpion into the gift. where the ship's

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still covered in all of our bork technology.

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Why did they take it off?

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It looks so right.

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And it makes sense, right?

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You know, we've been damaged by the minefield in the last

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episode.

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So we need to go and repair.

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It's no great sort of sweeps of imagination to get there, but the

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imagination is in the execution and the concept of this weird

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quiet machine that, you know, the arms just come out and start

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building things, but, you know, it was something from you before

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it actually died.

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Who does he belong to this thing?

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We never find out.

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Yeah, that's kind of great. awesome, isn't it?

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It's really good.

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It's a bit of a risk as well.

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Yeah.

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So the Tellerites, who, obviously, to Paul is aware of, but the

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others aren't, which is kind of interesting, they direct them to

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the station, and you can see why they might do that because the

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price is sort of fairly low, and if you fall for their evil plan

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you won't be aware that one of your crew members has gone

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missing.

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And in fact, there might be a telerizing.

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How did we ever notice?

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What's his name again?

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Yeah, Travis.

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I don't even know his name.

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We've done so many episodes.

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Travis.

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How would we even notice you wasn't there?

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If he don't get a line next week?

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Well, that's fine.

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That's the status quo.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Well, I'll talk about how this handles Travis and I think it

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handles it really badly and it's probably the worst thing about

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the episode.

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It does get its top off, though.

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So not altogether badly.

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Yeah, I've seen what started there is rippling muscles on

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display.

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Oh, how lovely.

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Yeah, they finally learn how to write these characters.

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Do you remember how stiff they were in minefield, Reed and Archer

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how stiff they were having breakfast together?

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There's no hint of that here.

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They're all kind of chill around, even reeds.

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Like it's kind of chill around people.

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You are right, though.

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You hit the middle of the episode and a sort of amiable romp in a

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fun scenario becomes a stock Star Trek episode where the thing is

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trying, like you said, there's duplicates of people were trying to

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convince that a regular character is dead.

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They're not going to die in this, are they?

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Good grief.

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And then, you know, we're going through the guts of the ship to

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find lots of regular characters from all the different adjacent

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Star Trek Enterprise shows where there's one crew member of their

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show in the bowels of the ship and then they stop it, blow it up

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and go.

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And I was just like, right, what started off as something with a

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bit of imagination ends in a sort of very standard Star Trek.

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And there isn't.

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I'll be honest, there risen when their action starts and I use the

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term loosely, much dynamism in it.

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They do just sort of walk from room to room. you know?

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It's certainly a lot better than the Enterprise episodes we have

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done in season one or 2 to this point, but I did, I've said to you

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several times off, Mike, if this was any other Star Trek show, if

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this was any other Star Trek crew, this would be gold, this

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episode, I would think you could spin something really funny, a

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bit chaotic.

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I mean, DS and I, man.

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I just want to see Odo and Quark.

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Investigating this ship.

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You said Shubac and Neelix.

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I mean, Spock and McCoy. would be amazing.

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Instead, we've got the sort of Trek light characters of the

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Enterprise crew wandering through being, okay.

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Yeah, I have to say that the more I watch Enterprise, the more I

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grow fond of these characters.

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And I particularly like Stockholm Syndrome, though, isn't it?

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Yeah, probably.

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It is probably.

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I still dislike Archer and again, Archer really kind of only has

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one way of showing emotion and it's by being aggressive.

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And I thought that that was sort of particularly apparent here.

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He has one good season, doesn't he, Archer, which is season four

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where I think Bacula's got enough weight at that and a new

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showrunners come in.

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He's like, can you just make me less of a cunt, please?

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I'm going to play it that way anyway. less of a cunt.

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So can you write that?

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Do you know what I mean?

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Do you know how charming I am?

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No, you look in the captains where William Shatner goes around and

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interviews all the captains, you know, Avery Brooks at the piano

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like a complete lunatic and Kate Mulgrew talking about a fabulous

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theatrical career and all this.

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Scott Bacula turns up on a fucking horse with a guitar.

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It's almost like he's gone, look.

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This is what you could have got, all right?

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if you'd written me well.

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And he gets off and he shakes his hand.

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He's got this huge expressive smile, he starts playing the guitar

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and you're like, who is this man?

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We never saw him before seasons.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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It's a bit unfortunate.

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Yeah.

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Well, look, there are some...

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That was sort of a deep breath for both of us.

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Look, there are some longer in this episode.

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It's not very fast moving, and I don't want to run out of things

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to say in the next 45 minutes, so I'm sorry, I think we might be

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done, I'm afraid.

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No, there's lovely special effects. talk about those.

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We absolutely can.

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All right.

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I will count us in in that case.

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Okay.

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Five, four, three, two, one, and we're off.

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I'll just look at my list.

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Oh, no, I have exhausted all my talking points.

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I'm sorry. things.

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But this thing, fabulous.

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Yeah, yeah, because you can distress the shit because it's

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computer generated.

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You can do a really, really good job of doing damage to the ship.

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And I actually really like just how much how much of a predicament

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there in.

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You know, they can't, they can travel at warp too, and that just

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means here in 2151 or whatever, it will take them 10 years to get

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home, you know, and you don't have to throw someone into the delta

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quadrant to make, to strand them.

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I think, oh, you forget, oh, I certainly do, that they are inside

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a massive tin box, just all of these little rooms inside a massive

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tin box where there is a maybe 5 inches between you and the vacuum

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of space.

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So when you see the side of the ship like that torn open with all

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the little rooms and the 30, yeah, the caranors and stuff, it's

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good.

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That sells the, it's dangerous out there in space better than the

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whole 1st season of enterprise.

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Yeah, yeah.

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No, I think it's really good.

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I think that was really good.

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And I gather, and I don't know anything about this, and all of the

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people who know more about Enterprise than me who are listening

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will be shouting at their phones, but lunatics.

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But I think the next episode after this, Marauders is also

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something that follows on from this.

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You know, so it is this sort of, there's a little bit of mild

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serialisation here, which I think Star Trek could always afford to

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do.

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It's not sort of the occupation arc of DS9 season six, is it?

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But we appreciate, you know, actions having concert.

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Oh here we go.

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It's been a long time.

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Oh, it's before it's Enterprise before it's Star Trek Enterprise.

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Why didn't Bacula get off the horse and sing that?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, thief.

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That would have been great.

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Awesome.

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All of our great achievements through history.

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You know, I just love the joke that we've told before, and now I

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can read about it in the transcript, you know, about they seem to

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be suggesting the greatest achievement at the end of this title

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sequence is Star Trek Enterprise, the TV program.

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Because that's where they land at the end, isn't it?

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It's humanity's greatest achievement.

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Bradan, no, we beg to differ.

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You know that shot or the challenger there going up.

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You know that shot of the space rocket going up?

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I think that's been used in 2 Doctor Who stories.

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It's like a Satin 5 rocket, isn't it?

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Probably.

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Yeah.

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Now, I think humanity's greatest achievement was learning to spell

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enterprise with an S instead of a Z. Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And their worst achievement was ripping Star Trek from the title.

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You fools.

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No one's watching anymore.

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At the time, I actually thought that if you wanted to change up

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how Star Trek gets named, basically the only thing that you could

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call it is Enterprise.

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I mean, the reason the ship's called Enterprise is because Star

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Trek's not in the title and what else do you have?

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Do you know what I mean?

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You have the Enterprise.

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Nathan, last week, we were quite enamoured with Patrick Stewart's

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impressive bulge in his pants.

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There's just been a pull back on Malcolm Reid there in very

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unflattering sort of box of shorts. skinny legs.

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There's just nothing in there, is there?

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I mean, if he wasn't boring enough.

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I think what's really funny here is Billingsley, of course, and

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his dialogue.

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Brilliant.

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And so and so Malcolm says, I thought, you know, the Hippocratic

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oath says that you aren't allowed to cause harm.

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And he said, no, it wasn't causing harm.

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It was just causing you pain and I can do that as much as I like.

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Which is really good.

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Do you know how much you people annoy me?

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I call you pain all the time.

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Oh, there's your shot at the dog.

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Oh, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, so and the camera is right on the ground all the way through

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this shot.

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We've got sort of weird...

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Yeah it's really good.

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But the dog actually gets some very nice shots.

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I think she gets bored along with the episode.

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She's really invested in the 1st half, setting up this place.

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By the end of the episode, she's sort of like, oh, point it and

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shoot.

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We've done this on Voyager, you know.

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But this is just that scene is just from the dog's point of view.

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Like, the camera has the dog right in the middle of it.

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Not since the opening of a night in Sick Bay, has the dog featured

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so strongly, I think.

324
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Isn't it nice though?

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She's full.

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This is a very functional scene.

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Can I do some perspective wise with the dog?

328
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Can I just make it about the dog?

329
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We have had a dog closer to the camera than Captain Archer.

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I think people might keep watching.

331
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It worked on me.

332
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Of course it did.

333
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Oh, Jolene, you're still in your...

334
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I mean, she's she's all right in this.

335
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I do wish she had a few more jokes, though.

336
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Yeah.

337
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Oh, she does get better, doesn't she?

338
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I think she gets really good.

339
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I really like Jolene, but she's being a bit boringly written.

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She's sort of slightly emerged from her you fucking idiot stage.

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Do you know what I mean?

342
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But we did love that, though.

343
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She was the only one talking any sense, wasn't she?

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all the episodes.

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Look at it.

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It looks like Doctor Who, like 2 toilet rolls in space.

347
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It's like hair rollers.

348
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It's actually very classic trek remastered, I think, is what

349
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they're going for, is the look.

350
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What, from something else?

351
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No, no, I'm just saying, you know, it's geometrical.

352
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It's that...

353
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It's moving directly.

354
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

355
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It is retro.

356
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Yeah.

357
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Oh, I was so pleased in this as well.

358
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I mean, I was pleased that Travis got to do anything.

359
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But then Hoshi got a scene as well.

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I thought, my God, they've given them something to do in the same

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episode.

362
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Do you know what?

363
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They ran out of ink in their barrow that week.

364
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Marking the script.

365
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So, I think the problem is, like, so you're going to kill Travis

366
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right?

367
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And you don't want it to be a surprise, and you don't want to make

368
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too much of it because the audience knows it's fake, right?

369
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What's the point then?

370
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So, yeah.

371
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But why don't you make it about Travis at the beginning?

372
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Do you know what I mean?

373
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Why don't you tell the story from his point of view?

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He's really underserved.

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We don't see what his day is like.

376
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We never see what it's like.

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So why not make him the focus character for the episode and then

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have him killed?

379
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He's a boomer, right?

380
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Maybe he was flying around one time and he needed some repairs and

381
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he's been here before.

382
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Yeah, he thought, no, that I don't recognise that.

383
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And, you know, but he went exploring a bit.

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You know, it's just something like that, something to tie into.

385
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Because he's just a nothing character, isn't he?

386
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No, because because when Hoshi goes to see him in a scene that I

387
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think is actually pretty good and mostly because of the acts

388
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really well, and she's great.

389
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Backstory, she seems to suggest I've never seen any evidence of

390
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it.

391
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No, that's right.

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She tells a story about him being a great jokester, and it's just

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like, really?

394
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Because as far as I can tell, he has no personal characteristics

395
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of any kind.

396
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We've got to point this out because we write one, I love the thing

397
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that comes out of the console that Jolene looks into on the

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bridge.

399
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I don't know why, but I just like things that emerge out on like

400
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that. quite fabulous.

401
00:18:16.619 --> 00:18:21.359
Two, when the space station opened up like a flower and the camera

402
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came around and you saw the enterprise through there, that's a

403
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great special effect shot.

404
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And now you just see like docking ports coming out, arms moving.

405
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It's like you said, they can do tech now.

406
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The special effects are there that they can do tech convincingly.

407
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They can't do tech, but they can do tech.

408
00:18:39.240 --> 00:18:40.019
It looks great.

409
00:18:40.079 --> 00:18:42.359
But these tunnels look amazing, don't they?

410
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We're entering the Twilight Zone.

411
00:18:44.400 --> 00:18:44.700
Yeah.

412
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Yeah, yeah.

413
00:18:45.539 --> 00:18:47.160
It's very Doctor Who-ish, though.

414
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It is very kind of the girl who waited.

415
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You know, like, squint a bit.

416
00:18:51.420 --> 00:18:52.500
You can see Chris Barry there.

417
00:18:52.559 --> 00:18:53.400
Daddy John George.

418
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It's also very red dwarf.

419
00:18:55.200 --> 00:18:55.619
All right.

420
00:18:55.680 --> 00:18:57.059
They've got a lot in common.

421
00:18:57.180 --> 00:18:58.619
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

422
00:18:58.680 --> 00:19:04.619
But it should be lacking in atmosphere because it is so sterile

423
00:19:04.619 --> 00:19:06.900
but because it's so quiet as well.

424
00:19:06.960 --> 00:19:09.779
There is even a eerie atmosphere.

425
00:19:09.839 --> 00:19:17.039
Like that shot of the Enterprise is a 3D holographic image, I know

426
00:19:17.039 --> 00:19:21.119
that's just normal in Star Trek, you know, in modern Star Trek, but

427
00:19:21.119 --> 00:19:22.680
that's pretty impressive, I think.

428
00:19:22.740 --> 00:19:26.640
Well, as well as Roxanne going, can we just get the camera on the

429
00:19:26.640 --> 00:19:28.259
ceiling, please, shoot down.

430
00:19:28.319 --> 00:19:29.279
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

431
00:19:29.339 --> 00:19:31.079
She is great.

432
00:19:31.140 --> 00:19:33.660
I think she's learned a lot of lessons from forager, you know

433
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because she did some pretty dismal.

434
00:19:35.279 --> 00:19:36.900
She directed some terrible gorgeous.

435
00:19:36.960 --> 00:19:38.220
What about this, right?

436
00:19:38.279 --> 00:19:41.759
So there's a scratch that it's detected on the hull, which is

437
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where Tripp bumped it.

438
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And it, and Archer says, I thought I told you to have that

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repainted, and there's a little bit of a thing there.

440
00:19:51.839 --> 00:19:55.380
But Archer says it in an aggressive way rather than in a funny

441
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way.

442
00:19:55.980 --> 00:19:58.200
Like, that's clearly meant to be a funny line.

443
00:19:58.259 --> 00:19:59.759
Imagine Avery, you know.

444
00:19:59.940 --> 00:20:02.400
You said you'd repainted that.

445
00:20:02.460 --> 00:20:03.420
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

446
00:20:03.480 --> 00:20:07.319
Because it doesn't matter, but he's like properly aggressive about

447
00:20:07.319 --> 00:20:07.500
it.

448
00:20:07.559 --> 00:20:08.700
Like it's unpleasant.

449
00:20:08.759 --> 00:20:10.319
I don't know why he plays it like.

450
00:20:10.380 --> 00:20:12.599
Something bad happened in his past.

451
00:20:12.660 --> 00:20:13.140
Do you think?

452
00:20:13.200 --> 00:20:16.319
He just likes taking it out on all of his inferiors on the ship.

453
00:20:16.380 --> 00:20:17.039
Maybe.

454
00:20:17.819 --> 00:20:20.519
So he's he's Roxanne doing the voice.

455
00:20:21.480 --> 00:20:25.980
And, you know, like, Archer's right to be suspicious of this and

456
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he sort of does the right thing.

457
00:20:27.480 --> 00:20:29.220
Gosh, he's stiff, isn't he?

458
00:20:29.279 --> 00:20:29.940
Holy crap.

459
00:20:30.000 --> 00:20:30.660
Yeah.

460
00:20:30.720 --> 00:20:31.980
Well, they all are a bit.

461
00:20:32.039 --> 00:20:33.779
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

462
00:20:34.380 --> 00:20:38.700
I do love, though, the bargain, because I kept thinking, oh, okay

463
00:20:38.700 --> 00:20:42.420
so it's going to be too much. to do the repairs, the thing's going

464
00:20:42.420 --> 00:20:43.079
to ask too much.

465
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That's all I understand.

466
00:20:44.279 --> 00:20:45.720
Trek approach.

467
00:20:45.779 --> 00:20:50.039
No, they just want, what is it, 200 litres of some fluid or a

468
00:20:50.039 --> 00:20:52.079
couple of reactor oils or something like that?

469
00:20:52.140 --> 00:20:54.240
So I was like, oh, how reasonable.

470
00:20:54.299 --> 00:20:58.559
Now I'm even more I'll find this even more sinister.

471
00:20:58.619 --> 00:20:59.220
Yeah.

472
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Yeah.

473
00:20:59.880 --> 00:21:01.200
Oh, you see, that's the other thing too.

474
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I kind of like the fact that, you know, the atmosphere was helium

475
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from a distance and now, you know, they're noticing that all the

476
00:21:07.380 --> 00:21:11.099
signage is in English, you know, like, like, it's this

477
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inexplicable welcoming technology and stuff, which obviously makes

478
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them suspicious, but it's so different from what Star Trek

479
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normally does.

480
00:21:19.200 --> 00:21:22.740
But we've watched, we've read enough Grimm's Fairy Tales now.

481
00:21:22.799 --> 00:21:26.279
You know, we know if there's someone who looks suspiciously a bit

482
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like a witch, but you know, with a wig on and is holding out an

483
00:21:29.579 --> 00:21:33.599
apple in front of the cottage to us, then you just don't take it

484
00:21:33.599 --> 00:21:33.900
all right?

485
00:21:33.960 --> 00:21:34.440
You go.

486
00:21:34.500 --> 00:21:38.220
So the 2nd that this computer is, oh, I think we can spare some

487
00:21:38.220 --> 00:21:38.819
plasma.

488
00:21:38.880 --> 00:21:40.980
We know that something bad.

489
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It's happening on this station.

490
00:21:42.420 --> 00:21:43.500
Yeah.

491
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Well, and so does Archer.

492
00:21:45.420 --> 00:21:50.700
But I was actually enjoying myself so much. during this that I

493
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didn't really want to think about how it was going to inevitably

494
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go wrong.

495
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And I just remember looking at the clock, it sort of 22 minutes in

496
00:21:58.200 --> 00:22:01.680
and stuff and thinking, oh, wow, nothing bad has happened yet.

497
00:22:01.740 --> 00:22:03.359
There's been no jeopardy yet.

498
00:22:03.420 --> 00:22:06.359
I thought that was really just kind of refreshing.

499
00:22:06.420 --> 00:22:08.880
I want to be specific though.

500
00:22:08.940 --> 00:22:13.019
I was, I was also enjoying myself, but I, in terms of aesthetics

501
00:22:13.019 --> 00:22:17.039
and in terms of the technology, it was shown that I had never seen

502
00:22:17.039 --> 00:22:17.339
before.

503
00:22:17.400 --> 00:22:20.880
And in terms of some of the execution, you know, the camera angles

504
00:22:20.880 --> 00:22:23.819
we've talked about, it wasn't really the characters that were

505
00:22:23.819 --> 00:22:24.420
thrilling me.

506
00:22:24.480 --> 00:22:26.460
It was the scenario we were in.

507
00:22:26.880 --> 00:22:28.259
Yeah.

508
00:22:29.099 --> 00:22:29.700
They're all right.

509
00:22:29.819 --> 00:22:32.039
I don't want to shit on them from a great height.

510
00:22:32.099 --> 00:22:35.339
They're all right, but all right, don't really cut it when you've

511
00:22:35.339 --> 00:22:38.579
just had the DS9 and Voyager and TNG crew, you know?

512
00:22:38.640 --> 00:22:41.519
go from 7 seasons and reach peaks.

513
00:22:41.579 --> 00:22:42.240
Yeah.

514
00:22:42.240 --> 00:22:44.700
I mean, you know, like, I think Trooper's great.

515
00:22:44.759 --> 00:22:45.779
I think Tapol is great.

516
00:22:45.839 --> 00:22:49.980
I think Billingsley, like I think that Flux is incredibly good, you

517
00:22:49.980 --> 00:22:53.160
know, as good as anyone, any Star Trek regular has ever been.

518
00:22:53.220 --> 00:22:56.880
I think one person, I think, who comes out this of like, you could

519
00:22:56.880 --> 00:22:58.019
put him in any of the other shows.

520
00:22:58.140 --> 00:22:59.339
Yeah, and he would fly.

521
00:22:59.700 --> 00:23:02.640
Would he be the best thing in those shows, though?

522
00:23:02.700 --> 00:23:03.480
I don't know.

523
00:23:03.539 --> 00:23:04.859
Maybe not, but he would be very good.

524
00:23:04.980 --> 00:23:06.720
I think he is great. you know.

525
00:23:06.779 --> 00:23:12.960
I love, again, you know, like just this stuff about technology

526
00:23:12.960 --> 00:23:16.019
like I know that sort of boring, but I'm a Star Trek nerd and I

527
00:23:16.019 --> 00:23:16.859
just kind of like that.

528
00:23:16.920 --> 00:23:20.519
And so having them discover these replicators for the 1st time

529
00:23:20.519 --> 00:23:24.299
having the windows with all of the repair equipment, you know

530
00:23:24.299 --> 00:23:28.200
happening outside and later on when this room's full of enterprise

531
00:23:28.200 --> 00:23:31.619
crew members and the ships being assembled outside the window.

532
00:23:31.680 --> 00:23:32.700
I think that's terrific.

533
00:23:32.759 --> 00:23:35.339
Well, and it gets one up on minefield.

534
00:23:35.400 --> 00:23:38.640
I don't know if you remember, chef's amazing breakfast.

535
00:23:38.700 --> 00:23:40.019
I can't remember what he makes now.

536
00:23:40.079 --> 00:23:43.740
It looked dismal because it had clearly been there on the set for

537
00:23:43.740 --> 00:23:44.700
ages.

538
00:23:44.759 --> 00:23:47.400
Well, Tripp actually eats the food in this. takes a little

539
00:23:47.400 --> 00:23:47.880
nibble.

540
00:23:48.180 --> 00:23:52.799
I just love how to poll orders a glass of cold water.

541
00:23:52.859 --> 00:23:55.619
Fucking so boring.

542
00:23:55.680 --> 00:23:59.460
Pork would have been like one warp core breach, please.

543
00:23:59.579 --> 00:24:00.960
Tykalian ale.

544
00:24:01.680 --> 00:24:04.980
Do you remember that warp core breech drink?

545
00:24:05.039 --> 00:24:06.480
Foam in everywhere?

546
00:24:06.599 --> 00:24:07.440
Yeah, awesome.

547
00:24:07.440 --> 00:24:12.059
I mean, it's so cheesy that fucking trip board is a catfish as

548
00:24:12.059 --> 00:24:12.299
well.

549
00:24:12.359 --> 00:24:16.440
Like, it's like, come on, dude. but geographically specific.

550
00:24:16.500 --> 00:24:17.940
Yeah, that's right.

551
00:24:18.000 --> 00:24:20.819
But, like, it looks like real food.

552
00:24:20.880 --> 00:24:23.099
Like, it looks like real proper food.

553
00:24:23.160 --> 00:24:27.720
Like, I hate fish, but that, you know, and he just...

554
00:24:27.720 --> 00:24:28.980
Oh, I like fish, you know.

555
00:24:29.039 --> 00:24:32.519
I do like a man doesn't sit down Why doesn't he sit down and eat

556
00:24:32.519 --> 00:24:32.700
it?

557
00:24:32.759 --> 00:24:34.140
It just seems ridiculous.

558
00:24:34.200 --> 00:24:35.279
Like he's standing there.

559
00:24:35.339 --> 00:24:38.880
You know, there's no, if he'd be far too relaxed then and we're

560
00:24:38.880 --> 00:24:40.920
doing the sort of stiff period of enterprise, aren't we?

561
00:24:45.180 --> 00:24:48.240
Not a lot of emotion on anyone's face.

562
00:24:48.299 --> 00:24:49.559
Now to Paul I can forgive.

563
00:24:49.619 --> 00:24:53.220
Archer's just got nothing going on in his face at all.

564
00:24:53.279 --> 00:24:56.339
At least Tripp's excited by the catfish. like come on.

565
00:24:56.700 --> 00:24:59.759
Hang on. if we're geographically specific.

566
00:24:59.819 --> 00:25:00.299
So what?

567
00:25:00.359 --> 00:25:03.420
Would Malcolm Reed come in and go, you know, cucumber sandwiches

568
00:25:03.420 --> 00:25:03.599
please?

569
00:25:04.500 --> 00:25:06.720
What would Hoshi order?

570
00:25:06.779 --> 00:25:08.700
You eat a lot of Asian food?

571
00:25:08.759 --> 00:25:09.599
How shoulder?

572
00:25:09.660 --> 00:25:10.140
Something delicious.

573
00:25:10.200 --> 00:25:10.859
Korean?

574
00:25:10.920 --> 00:25:11.339
I don't know.

575
00:25:11.400 --> 00:25:12.059
What's her back?

576
00:25:12.119 --> 00:25:13.500
I know what her background is.

577
00:25:13.559 --> 00:25:14.160
Is she Japanese?

578
00:25:14.220 --> 00:25:14.759
don't know.

579
00:25:14.819 --> 00:25:16.380
It would be it would look amazing though.

580
00:25:16.440 --> 00:25:17.339
Look at this.

581
00:25:17.400 --> 00:25:18.720
This is white.

582
00:25:18.779 --> 00:25:21.359
It's literally putting the walls back on with its mechanical

583
00:25:21.359 --> 00:25:21.720
arms.

584
00:25:21.779 --> 00:25:22.619
Yeah, yeah.

585
00:25:22.680 --> 00:25:26.579
Like it replicates a wall and a bit of wall and then puts it back

586
00:25:26.579 --> 00:25:28.380
in and seals it up.

587
00:25:28.440 --> 00:25:31.200
And then this, which is just looks like an exocomp that they've

588
00:25:31.200 --> 00:25:32.700
painted.

589
00:25:32.759 --> 00:25:33.839
No, it's on inside.

590
00:25:33.900 --> 00:25:37.200
Look, you can see his mouth. isn't it?

591
00:25:37.259 --> 00:25:39.779
It's that peanut butter have pop.

592
00:25:39.839 --> 00:25:41.220
I can see.

593
00:25:43.440 --> 00:25:46.200
Oh, no, Malcolm Rood.

594
00:25:46.259 --> 00:25:48.720
You're in your underwear and you look so unsexy.

595
00:25:48.779 --> 00:25:51.539
How do you achieve these levels of autumn?

596
00:25:52.259 --> 00:25:54.240
Bless his heart.

597
00:25:54.299 --> 00:25:55.500
I know what?

598
00:25:55.559 --> 00:25:56.099
I love the fact.

599
00:25:56.160 --> 00:26:01.200
I do love the fact that the actor has since developed his own Star

600
00:26:01.200 --> 00:26:04.740
Trek podcast and, you know, he's made a sort of more of a name for

601
00:26:04.740 --> 00:26:08.099
himself doing that than he has actually being a part of the show

602
00:26:08.099 --> 00:26:10.859
but this was not the best part of your career.

603
00:26:10.920 --> 00:26:12.359
No, it's not good.

604
00:26:12.480 --> 00:26:13.740
It's not good.

605
00:26:13.799 --> 00:26:16.920
Like, look, Billingsley doesn't have to try to be funny.

606
00:26:16.980 --> 00:26:20.400
He's trying to do faces and weird body language and all sorts.

607
00:26:20.460 --> 00:26:21.900
Billy Lou's just standing there being funny.

608
00:26:21.900 --> 00:26:22.680
Yeah.

609
00:26:22.740 --> 00:26:26.579
I mean, it's like, there's that particular English way of being

610
00:26:26.579 --> 00:26:27.599
funny that we talked about.

611
00:26:27.599 --> 00:26:30.119
Oh, would you do it again?

612
00:26:30.180 --> 00:26:30.720
It was funny.

613
00:26:30.779 --> 00:26:31.920
Sid doing.

614
00:26:31.980 --> 00:26:35.579
Or a drink. or a drink.

615
00:26:36.839 --> 00:26:40.799
Oh, Nathan, you'd make such an awkward Englishman, you know.

616
00:26:40.859 --> 00:26:41.579
How wonderful.

617
00:26:41.880 --> 00:26:44.519
Watch a lot of English television.

618
00:26:45.599 --> 00:26:49.500
You try and convince us you're a confident Australian.

619
00:26:49.559 --> 00:26:50.039
Come on.

620
00:26:50.099 --> 00:26:53.819
Oh, so like she does a gag here, doesn't she?

621
00:26:53.880 --> 00:26:55.680
She sort of does a line about the gremlin.

622
00:26:55.740 --> 00:26:56.940
It's not really funny.

623
00:26:57.000 --> 00:27:01.140
Um, but like it is the sort of thing that they lean into later

624
00:27:01.140 --> 00:27:03.480
when they're kind of getting her to loosen up a bit.

625
00:27:03.839 --> 00:27:07.380
Do you remember, though, when we watched emissary, we said how

626
00:27:07.380 --> 00:27:10.799
Avery Brooks had that fabulous sort of rye grid on his face

627
00:27:10.799 --> 00:27:13.440
throughout all of the scenes as he's meeting all these angry women

628
00:27:13.440 --> 00:27:14.759
and stuff on the station.

629
00:27:14.819 --> 00:27:16.740
And it just seemed to be having a great time.

630
00:27:16.799 --> 00:27:19.079
I don't think Captain Archer ever has a good time.

631
00:27:19.920 --> 00:27:22.380
No, no he's so miserable.

632
00:27:23.039 --> 00:27:27.660
You see, even the thing, like the thing that Archer regrets most

633
00:27:27.660 --> 00:27:30.720
of all is not the fact that he's never really had a conversation

634
00:27:30.720 --> 00:27:35.579
with Travis ever, but the fact that he invited him to breakfast

635
00:27:35.579 --> 00:27:38.940
and then receive the invitation. so sad about that.

636
00:27:39.000 --> 00:27:40.920
He says it's not something like that. you know, he's put it in his

637
00:27:40.920 --> 00:27:41.400
diary.

638
00:27:41.460 --> 00:27:45.839
He's mentioned that he can't have chefs miserable looking devilled

639
00:27:45.839 --> 00:27:47.160
eggs or whatever they were.

640
00:27:50.279 --> 00:27:52.440
But all of it.

641
00:27:52.440 --> 00:27:55.259
Is that all you have to say about him when he's there?

642
00:27:55.380 --> 00:27:58.259
That's it because we have nothing.

643
00:27:58.319 --> 00:27:59.640
We know nothing about him.

644
00:27:59.700 --> 00:28:01.859
He has no characteristics at all.

645
00:28:01.920 --> 00:28:05.819
Think about how like what a shitty job.

646
00:28:05.880 --> 00:28:08.700
The Denise Crosby hologram did.

647
00:28:08.759 --> 00:28:13.079
Oh, look, there was pretty Travis laughing in the background. smile

648
00:28:13.079 --> 00:28:14.279
on his face, you know?

649
00:28:14.279 --> 00:28:15.599
He didn't that to do that.

650
00:28:15.660 --> 00:28:17.460
Get his clothes off as well.

651
00:28:17.579 --> 00:28:19.019
I don't mind objectifying him.

652
00:28:20.700 --> 00:28:26.220
Actually, there's an insistent rule from the station that you have

653
00:28:26.220 --> 00:28:28.440
to be naked when you're eating in the restroom, you know?

654
00:28:28.500 --> 00:28:29.460
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

655
00:28:29.519 --> 00:28:31.200
That would just open things up considerably.

656
00:28:31.440 --> 00:28:34.019
Oh yeah, no, Marathon Reed's there.

657
00:28:34.079 --> 00:28:35.039
Sorry, I'm drinking more.

658
00:28:35.400 --> 00:28:39.779
I mean, I think that they do an attempt, don't they, kind of male

659
00:28:39.779 --> 00:28:43.019
friendship, which obviously is sort of a pale imitation of

660
00:28:43.019 --> 00:28:44.759
anything that you get in Deep Space nine.

661
00:28:44.819 --> 00:28:46.140
No, you know what it is.

662
00:28:46.200 --> 00:28:49.980
It's a late version of Viz magazine.

663
00:28:50.039 --> 00:28:53.279
They lean into it in a couple of episodes where they're down on

664
00:28:53.279 --> 00:28:57.299
sure leave, looking to fuck all the women on the planet and

665
00:28:57.299 --> 00:28:58.619
getting drunk together.

666
00:28:58.619 --> 00:29:03.059
And, you know, I mean, it's loaded magazine as written by middle

667
00:29:03.059 --> 00:29:04.980
class old Americans.

668
00:29:05.039 --> 00:29:06.839
Yes, yeah, I think you're right.

669
00:29:06.900 --> 00:29:10.440
I think you're right People really rate that friendship.

670
00:29:10.500 --> 00:29:13.140
I just, oh, it just gives me the ick.

671
00:29:13.680 --> 00:29:17.759
Look at the, like, do you know what a palm pile it is?

672
00:29:17.819 --> 00:29:19.319
No, is it?

673
00:29:19.380 --> 00:29:19.920
Okay, okay.

674
00:29:19.980 --> 00:29:23.220
It was a little computer that just looked like that looks like a

675
00:29:23.220 --> 00:29:27.359
little Windows CE computer from like the period, the little

676
00:29:27.359 --> 00:29:28.980
computer that they're handing to each other.

677
00:29:29.039 --> 00:29:29.880
Oh my god.

678
00:29:29.940 --> 00:29:32.039
Oh, you see, this is stupid, isn't it?

679
00:29:32.099 --> 00:29:35.579
So they decide. to go and look at the computer.

680
00:29:35.640 --> 00:29:39.779
They decide to go and look for the computer and that's what sets

681
00:29:39.779 --> 00:29:40.859
all this off or something.

682
00:29:40.920 --> 00:29:43.440
It isn't really because the computer is going to kind of get

683
00:29:43.440 --> 00:29:44.819
Travis anyway, I guess.

684
00:29:44.880 --> 00:29:46.680
But what you want, right?

685
00:29:46.740 --> 00:29:48.660
is like, I mean, not this extreme.

686
00:29:48.720 --> 00:29:52.799
But, you know, tiptoe-y music and them going, shh, you know, and

687
00:29:52.799 --> 00:29:54.720
like, you want it to be a fun secret.

688
00:29:55.619 --> 00:29:58.440
Yeah, just sort of like, open the door.

689
00:29:58.500 --> 00:30:00.059
Try this bit of technobabble.

690
00:30:00.119 --> 00:30:01.799
Actually, I've got this bit of technology in my pocket.

691
00:30:01.859 --> 00:30:02.940
There we go. get in that way.

692
00:30:03.000 --> 00:30:05.220
Let's call through some Jeffries, you know.

693
00:30:05.279 --> 00:30:07.200
Yeah, the usual Star Trek shit.

694
00:30:07.259 --> 00:30:09.720
Magic Cork and Odo doing that, Jesus Christ.

695
00:30:09.779 --> 00:30:11.579
I mean, we did it, didn't we?

696
00:30:11.640 --> 00:30:13.200
You're going to hit them with a box.

697
00:30:13.319 --> 00:30:15.180
You know, you can make this stuff funny.

698
00:30:16.200 --> 00:30:18.720
I am enjoying watching them.

699
00:30:18.839 --> 00:30:23.579
Look at how she that bit of grating on the ceiling was.

700
00:30:23.579 --> 00:30:25.319
That's amazing.

701
00:30:25.319 --> 00:30:27.720
I've seen this scene in Wars of the Deep, you know.

702
00:30:27.779 --> 00:30:30.359
That is exactly where I was going as well.

703
00:30:31.200 --> 00:30:34.140
Well, look, we're trying to be funny here.

704
00:30:34.200 --> 00:30:36.299
We're trying to do a little bit of physical comedy there.

705
00:30:36.359 --> 00:30:37.740
Where?

706
00:30:37.799 --> 00:30:42.119
Oh, like just how clumsy they are getting up through the thing.

707
00:30:42.180 --> 00:30:45.119
Like one lifting the other one up is...

708
00:30:45.119 --> 00:30:46.319
Oh, my word.

709
00:30:46.380 --> 00:30:48.720
Oh, my actual word.

710
00:30:48.779 --> 00:30:51.000
He, oh, look at that, Balty Nathan.

711
00:30:51.299 --> 00:30:52.019
Good grief.

712
00:30:52.079 --> 00:30:53.400
Don't put your top on, mate.

713
00:30:53.460 --> 00:30:55.380
God sakes. look at that.

714
00:30:55.440 --> 00:30:57.000
Did you know what, right?

715
00:30:57.059 --> 00:30:59.460
Do you see his underwear compared to Malcolm Reeves?

716
00:30:59.519 --> 00:31:01.920
He knows how to be sexy, you know?

717
00:31:01.980 --> 00:31:03.059
Travis.

718
00:31:03.119 --> 00:31:04.859
He wears a lot of makeup.

719
00:31:04.920 --> 00:31:06.960
They give Travis so much makeup.

720
00:31:07.019 --> 00:31:07.980
Don't they?

721
00:31:08.160 --> 00:31:08.819
don't understand.

722
00:31:08.880 --> 00:31:12.359
Being the prettiest man on this entire show, why just doesn't get

723
00:31:12.359 --> 00:31:15.660
all the exposure in the 4 seasons instead of none of it.

724
00:31:15.720 --> 00:31:19.619
We know why he doesn't because they're, you know, unfortunate

725
00:31:19.619 --> 00:31:20.160
racists.

726
00:31:20.160 --> 00:31:21.960
Yeah, I think so.

727
00:31:22.680 --> 00:31:26.160
Yeah, I mean, it's it is unfortunate.

728
00:31:26.220 --> 00:31:28.920
It's a huge shame because he is so attractive.

729
00:31:28.980 --> 00:31:30.420
He's adorable.

730
00:31:30.480 --> 00:31:32.220
This should be hilarious, right?

731
00:31:32.279 --> 00:31:36.119
They're crawling along the floor and Jolene's raising an eyebrow.

732
00:31:36.180 --> 00:31:39.180
Well, at least Roxanne knows how to shoot it.

733
00:31:39.240 --> 00:31:40.200
Do you know what I mean?

734
00:31:40.259 --> 00:31:44.460
with them looking up at her and her staring superciliously down at

735
00:31:44.460 --> 00:31:44.880
them.

736
00:31:44.940 --> 00:31:46.200
Like she knows how to do it.

737
00:31:46.259 --> 00:31:49.380
But I'm going to give you a direct comparison now.

738
00:31:49.440 --> 00:31:52.980
There's a wonderful scene in the magnificent Ferengi's so long.

739
00:31:53.039 --> 00:31:56.339
They're crawling along Jeffrey's tubes, Quark and ROM delivering

740
00:31:56.339 --> 00:31:59.519
all this exposition about going to save Mookie from the Dominion

741
00:31:59.519 --> 00:31:59.759
yeah?

742
00:31:59.819 --> 00:32:03.000
And we go up and down corridors, up ladders, and then all of a

743
00:32:03.000 --> 00:32:07.920
sudden, the thing bursts out of Cisco's war with his office, and

744
00:32:07.920 --> 00:32:10.980
they both go through and Cisco's like, can I help you, gentlemen

745
00:32:10.980 --> 00:32:13.380
and Rom just goes, I was following you.

746
00:32:15.420 --> 00:32:17.460
That's how you do it.

747
00:32:17.519 --> 00:32:19.380
Yeah, yeah.

748
00:32:19.440 --> 00:32:20.819
No, they're not funny, are they?

749
00:32:20.880 --> 00:32:22.319
I mean, it's different riders.

750
00:32:22.380 --> 00:32:24.599
It's the nonfunny writing team.

751
00:32:24.660 --> 00:32:25.980
That's right.

752
00:32:26.460 --> 00:32:29.819
Have we ever sort of had a belly laugh at this show?

753
00:32:29.880 --> 00:32:31.319
No, what she needs.

754
00:32:31.380 --> 00:32:35.039
I did actually like Archer's line about, you know, where Tripp

755
00:32:35.039 --> 00:32:36.720
tries to take responsibility for it.

756
00:32:36.839 --> 00:32:39.900
And he goes, yeah, I think Malcolm's old enough to make his own

757
00:32:39.900 --> 00:32:40.740
decisions here.

758
00:32:40.859 --> 00:32:41.640
Do you know what I mean?

759
00:32:41.700 --> 00:32:42.900
It's just like, yeah, good try.

760
00:32:43.019 --> 00:32:43.500
Nice try.

761
00:32:43.559 --> 00:32:47.400
But even here, there's that slight nastiness where he went, yeah

762
00:32:47.400 --> 00:32:49.980
you were questioning my slackness the other day.

763
00:32:50.039 --> 00:32:53.220
Yeah, maybe you had a point about the slackness on this ship.

764
00:32:53.279 --> 00:32:54.539
I can't remember his outline.

765
00:32:54.599 --> 00:32:56.579
I'm like, why are you being such a cunt?

766
00:32:56.640 --> 00:32:58.259
That's right.

767
00:32:58.319 --> 00:33:00.359
Oh, has he slighted you?

768
00:33:00.420 --> 00:33:01.319
I'm so sorry.

769
00:33:01.619 --> 00:33:05.339
Jesus, go and grab your foosball or whatever it is.

770
00:33:05.400 --> 00:33:05.940
You'll feel better.

771
00:33:06.059 --> 00:33:09.119
Oh, water polo, for God's sake, yeah.

772
00:33:11.279 --> 00:33:13.740
Oh, good, it's Billingsley.

773
00:33:13.799 --> 00:33:14.460
We in good hands here.

774
00:33:14.519 --> 00:33:15.240
Yeah, yeah.

775
00:33:15.299 --> 00:33:15.720
He's dead.

776
00:33:16.859 --> 00:33:19.380
And it's the usual thing too.

777
00:33:19.440 --> 00:33:21.420
Like, Captain, you need to come here.

778
00:33:21.480 --> 00:33:25.079
It's just like, can you just tell me, like, just tell me.

779
00:33:25.140 --> 00:33:28.859
You don't have to bring me there and then surprise me by, you know

780
00:33:28.859 --> 00:33:30.480
at the end in time for the ad break.

781
00:33:30.539 --> 00:33:31.740
Well, it's right truth.

782
00:33:31.799 --> 00:33:34.200
It didn't end on on the corpse.

783
00:33:34.259 --> 00:33:35.160
It ended on Archer.

784
00:33:35.220 --> 00:33:38.759
So it could have been anywhere. literally been anywhere, got the

785
00:33:38.759 --> 00:33:39.000
news.

786
00:33:39.059 --> 00:33:41.400
So this is, yeah, that's right.

787
00:33:41.460 --> 00:33:43.140
He could have just, he could have just said it.

788
00:33:43.500 --> 00:33:48.720
So now this is the 2nd more boring half of the episode.

789
00:33:48.779 --> 00:33:52.980
And part of the reason it doesn't work is, of course, that you

790
00:33:52.980 --> 00:33:56.279
don't buy the death and that's kind of central to it.

791
00:33:56.339 --> 00:34:02.279
Um, and that the episode hasn't been about, uh, Travis.

792
00:34:02.339 --> 00:34:07.200
And so anything anyone says about Travis, um, just doesn't land.

793
00:34:07.259 --> 00:34:07.980
Is that right?

794
00:34:08.039 --> 00:34:09.420
Oh, when was that?

795
00:34:09.539 --> 00:34:11.099
Yeah, yeah.

796
00:34:11.159 --> 00:34:13.800
Well, do you think that, do you think that that scene where we

797
00:34:13.800 --> 00:34:16.980
open on the, in the rec room and Travis is there talking to

798
00:34:16.980 --> 00:34:19.440
someone and he's laughing uproariously?

799
00:34:19.619 --> 00:34:22.559
Like just done one of his practical jokes?

800
00:34:22.619 --> 00:34:23.519
Is that it?

801
00:34:23.579 --> 00:34:28.559
Like, I think it just is to try to create some credibility for

802
00:34:28.559 --> 00:34:30.059
that thing that, oh, she says.

803
00:34:30.119 --> 00:34:32.219
I mean, they could have set that up at any point.

804
00:34:32.280 --> 00:34:35.039
It just had one child being scene where he does a practical joke

805
00:34:35.039 --> 00:34:35.820
at some point.

806
00:34:35.940 --> 00:34:39.659
Like have the episode about him at the beginning, like tell the

807
00:34:39.659 --> 00:34:40.559
story of his day.

808
00:34:40.619 --> 00:34:42.659
You don't always just have to do.

809
00:34:42.780 --> 00:34:45.539
I mean, this is the, it's like they've forgotten the Michael

810
00:34:45.539 --> 00:34:49.019
Piller lesson that these things need to happen.

811
00:34:49.079 --> 00:34:53.099
Like there needs to be an individual who the episodes about.

812
00:34:53.159 --> 00:34:56.940
Instead, this is just about the crew doing space things and it's

813
00:34:56.940 --> 00:34:59.579
not about how a person is impacted by it.

814
00:34:59.639 --> 00:35:01.920
We were doing it in the same way in emissary.

815
00:35:01.980 --> 00:35:04.679
We literally wouldn't have had any of that pre-title sequence of

816
00:35:04.679 --> 00:35:05.579
Jennifer dying, right?

817
00:35:05.639 --> 00:35:09.780
We wouldn't have had the scene of Picard and Cisco, you know, being

818
00:35:09.780 --> 00:35:12.239
angry with each other because he was there when she died.

819
00:35:12.300 --> 00:35:15.719
It would just be the scene at the end where he goes, well, you

820
00:35:15.719 --> 00:35:17.400
know, my wife died and I exist here.

821
00:35:17.460 --> 00:35:18.239
We'd be going, what?

822
00:35:18.300 --> 00:35:19.320
What the hell?

823
00:35:19.800 --> 00:35:20.820
Yeah, where did that come from?

824
00:35:21.480 --> 00:35:24.480
It does feel like they've unlearnt a few lessons.

825
00:35:24.539 --> 00:35:25.380
Yeah, yeah.

826
00:35:25.440 --> 00:35:27.539
Or actually, because it's a different writing team.

827
00:35:27.599 --> 00:35:29.039
They've never learned.

828
00:35:29.099 --> 00:35:29.940
They never know that.

829
00:35:30.000 --> 00:35:30.300
Yeah.

830
00:35:30.300 --> 00:35:30.539
Yeah.

831
00:35:30.900 --> 00:35:31.920
Yeah.

832
00:35:31.980 --> 00:35:34.500
I mean this, this is the Armageddon factor.

833
00:35:34.559 --> 00:35:37.260
It's just walking around this room talking to this computer

834
00:35:37.320 --> 00:35:37.860
computer.

835
00:35:37.920 --> 00:35:38.460
Yeah, yeah.

836
00:35:38.579 --> 00:35:40.260
With the Spangley lights on it.

837
00:35:40.380 --> 00:35:45.599
Yeah, but you know, we are fans of the cheap tat Doctor Who, so we

838
00:35:45.599 --> 00:35:48.179
don't mind too much of Star Trek's leaning into it a little bit.

839
00:35:48.239 --> 00:35:51.960
Yeah, although this is a big, you know, this isn't a terrible

840
00:35:51.960 --> 00:35:52.500
sand.

841
00:35:52.559 --> 00:35:57.360
I think that computer is like not as good as Nomad, but I think

842
00:35:57.360 --> 00:35:58.500
the walls are quite nice.

843
00:35:58.559 --> 00:36:01.260
Jesus, good as no, come on. you know.

844
00:36:01.320 --> 00:36:05.460
If that space station was holed up on a wobbly string, I would

845
00:36:05.460 --> 00:36:06.179
have been delighted.

846
00:36:06.179 --> 00:36:07.440
And Sam had played nomad.

847
00:36:10.440 --> 00:36:14.519
The thing is, though, the big difference is Doctor Who's greatest

848
00:36:14.519 --> 00:36:16.440
strength is it's very witty.

849
00:36:16.500 --> 00:36:18.420
Yeah, it's a very funny show.

850
00:36:18.480 --> 00:36:21.780
Whereas I'm not sure enterprise, I've learned a lesson.

851
00:36:21.840 --> 00:36:24.840
I can think of a few scenarios, you know, like, would you remember

852
00:36:24.840 --> 00:36:27.719
when in a night in Sick Bay, we had those bats flying about the

853
00:36:27.719 --> 00:36:27.900
place?

854
00:36:27.960 --> 00:36:31.079
We was laughing at that, but it wasn't really the acting or the

855
00:36:31.079 --> 00:36:31.380
right.

856
00:36:31.440 --> 00:36:32.940
It was just a scenario, wasn't it?

857
00:36:33.000 --> 00:36:35.579
Oh, no, I mean, I think that a night in Sick Bay is genuinely

858
00:36:35.579 --> 00:36:35.880
funny.

859
00:36:35.940 --> 00:36:37.679
Like, and I think it's trying to be.

860
00:36:37.739 --> 00:36:39.239
Like, I think it's actually pretty good.

861
00:36:39.300 --> 00:36:42.960
And that scene is pretty good because it's to middle-aged man

862
00:36:42.960 --> 00:36:46.199
being absolute dipshits and then, you know, Hoshi walks in and

863
00:36:46.199 --> 00:36:48.539
catches the bat, like plucks it out of the air.

864
00:36:48.599 --> 00:36:52.380
Like, I think there's genuine, like there are funny things

865
00:36:52.380 --> 00:36:53.039
happening there.

866
00:36:53.579 --> 00:36:54.360
It's very hot though.

867
00:36:54.420 --> 00:36:58.440
It's very hard to do a comedy in season 3 where suddenly at the

868
00:36:58.440 --> 00:37:00.539
Enterprise crew or a bunch of terrorists, you know?

869
00:37:00.599 --> 00:37:02.880
Yeah, find a comedy in that scenario.

870
00:37:02.940 --> 00:37:03.599
It's quite hard.

871
00:37:03.659 --> 00:37:06.480
But they do try and do and I can't wait till we roll it.

872
00:37:06.539 --> 00:37:08.280
Jammer gives it 0 stars.

873
00:37:08.340 --> 00:37:12.659
An episode called Precious Cargo, and it's supposed to be like, you

874
00:37:12.659 --> 00:37:16.440
know, like an old-fashioned screwball comedy with 2 romantic leads

875
00:37:16.440 --> 00:37:20.519
that it's guest alien of the week and trip down on the planet, but

876
00:37:20.519 --> 00:37:24.719
they pull in some dreadful model that's never acted before.

877
00:37:24.780 --> 00:37:27.539
And so none of the comedy lands.

878
00:37:27.599 --> 00:37:31.980
It's a like textbook how not to do comedy television.

879
00:37:32.039 --> 00:37:35.639
So like Sam K. Yanson, no, the perfect mate.

880
00:37:35.699 --> 00:37:36.659
Is that what it's called?

881
00:37:36.719 --> 00:37:37.079
Yeah.

882
00:37:37.139 --> 00:37:38.699
Fine inferior to that.

883
00:37:38.760 --> 00:37:39.780
Okay.

884
00:37:39.840 --> 00:37:44.760
So again, you know, you have 2 of the best actors on the show, I

885
00:37:44.760 --> 00:37:46.380
think Hoshi does a great job here.

886
00:37:46.440 --> 00:37:52.139
You know, I love the bit where Billingsley says, you know, he's 26

887
00:37:52.139 --> 00:37:53.699
is too young to be on this table.

888
00:37:53.760 --> 00:37:55.019
I thought that was a good line.

889
00:37:55.440 --> 00:38:02.039
I mean, this this scene about the hilarious prank that Travis

890
00:38:02.039 --> 00:38:07.380
played on her, which is just not funny in any way, just kind

891
00:38:07.380 --> 00:38:07.920
of...

892
00:38:07.920 --> 00:38:10.139
It was only strawberry gelatin, Nathan.

893
00:38:10.199 --> 00:38:11.219
You just think, what?

894
00:38:11.280 --> 00:38:12.719
So why was that funny?

895
00:38:12.780 --> 00:38:15.059
Like, 0 my god, and she's...

896
00:38:15.059 --> 00:38:17.039
You remember what we heard about the Sonic shower with the chilli

897
00:38:17.039 --> 00:38:17.400
sauce?

898
00:38:17.519 --> 00:38:18.360
That was funny.

899
00:38:18.420 --> 00:38:19.860
Yeah, that was funny.

900
00:38:19.920 --> 00:38:22.199
But she's doing really well.

901
00:38:22.260 --> 00:38:24.119
Like, he's doing really well.

902
00:38:24.179 --> 00:38:25.019
I love.

903
00:38:26.039 --> 00:38:31.320
I do love him saying to her, you know, this is going to be hard

904
00:38:31.320 --> 00:38:34.440
for you to see because you've seen dead bodies, but not of someone

905
00:38:34.440 --> 00:38:37.619
that you know, and I thought that was really nice and sort of

906
00:38:37.619 --> 00:38:38.159
humane.

907
00:38:38.219 --> 00:38:39.480
Like, he's great.

908
00:38:39.960 --> 00:38:43.320
Why do they ever do this with the regulars?

909
00:38:43.380 --> 00:38:45.119
It's never going to convince, right?

910
00:38:45.179 --> 00:38:49.800
And it means that our regulars that are left alive have to go

911
00:38:49.800 --> 00:38:53.639
through these hoops of sort of pretending to us, but they're

912
00:38:53.639 --> 00:38:54.780
really sad.

913
00:38:55.440 --> 00:38:56.699
And we do it a lot, right?

914
00:38:56.760 --> 00:38:58.260
There's a lot of it in 90s trek.

915
00:38:58.320 --> 00:39:01.079
Yeah, it isn't, it generally doesn't work, does it?

916
00:39:01.139 --> 00:39:04.019
I mean, Paul Hoshi and Vanishing Point, you know?

917
00:39:04.079 --> 00:39:05.340
That was terrible.

918
00:39:05.400 --> 00:39:08.400
I wonder what part of Travis they were going to send home to his

919
00:39:08.400 --> 00:39:09.239
family, you know?

920
00:39:09.300 --> 00:39:12.420
We've extracted some snot from his nose.

921
00:39:12.480 --> 00:39:15.539
We put it in a little device and posted it to you.

922
00:39:15.599 --> 00:39:19.320
Well, in fact, there is a line here saying that because they live

923
00:39:19.320 --> 00:39:22.199
on a cargo ship or something we're not able to contact them.

924
00:39:22.260 --> 00:39:26.460
So fortunately, we weren't put through that just utterly butt

925
00:39:26.460 --> 00:39:28.260
clenchingly embarrassing.

926
00:39:28.260 --> 00:39:29.400
No, inadvertently funny.

927
00:39:29.460 --> 00:39:29.880
Come on.

928
00:39:29.940 --> 00:39:31.920
So you're saying she's dead?

929
00:39:32.039 --> 00:39:34.260
Well, it's very out here in space.

930
00:39:34.320 --> 00:39:35.400
Is she dead?

931
00:39:35.460 --> 00:39:36.360
Is she dead?

932
00:39:36.420 --> 00:39:38.760
Well, so she went on to the spot.

933
00:39:38.760 --> 00:39:43.619
Right, yes. to the fucking point. so bad.

934
00:39:43.739 --> 00:39:45.780
That was so inept.

935
00:39:45.900 --> 00:39:48.420
Do we ever meet Travis's parents?

936
00:39:48.480 --> 00:39:49.679
I bet they're hot as hell.

937
00:39:49.739 --> 00:39:50.579
Why don't we meet them?

938
00:39:50.639 --> 00:39:55.679
There is an episode, isn't there with him in it, like a boomer

939
00:39:55.679 --> 00:39:56.880
centric episode.

940
00:39:56.940 --> 00:39:58.440
Isn't there?

941
00:39:58.860 --> 00:39:59.280
Singular.

942
00:39:59.340 --> 00:40:00.119
Yeah, yeah.

943
00:40:00.179 --> 00:40:01.320
He gets a focus episode.

944
00:40:01.380 --> 00:40:02.760
My God.

945
00:40:02.820 --> 00:40:04.320
Brannanham.

946
00:40:05.460 --> 00:40:06.599
Oh god, I forgot his name.

947
00:40:06.659 --> 00:40:07.079
Rick.

948
00:40:07.139 --> 00:40:08.880
They must have taken their eye on the ball that week.

949
00:40:08.940 --> 00:40:09.900
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

950
00:40:09.960 --> 00:40:14.699
Yes, again, so this scene is also very boring and, you know, this

951
00:40:14.699 --> 00:40:15.719
is what I was just saying.

952
00:40:15.780 --> 00:40:18.960
They can't catch his parents and so we don't have to have that

953
00:40:18.960 --> 00:40:20.460
scene, then what's happening?

954
00:40:20.519 --> 00:40:21.599
Everyone's very solid.

955
00:40:21.659 --> 00:40:23.400
How am I going to tell them?

956
00:40:23.460 --> 00:40:26.519
Which part of the your son is dead speech?

957
00:40:26.579 --> 00:40:27.420
Will I do this time?

958
00:40:27.480 --> 00:40:28.679
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

959
00:40:28.739 --> 00:40:29.280
Yeah.

960
00:40:29.340 --> 00:40:31.860
Space is complex and very big.

961
00:40:32.579 --> 00:40:35.039
Oh, what a surprise.

962
00:40:35.099 --> 00:40:35.880
This is not.

963
00:40:35.940 --> 00:40:37.199
Ensign Mayweather.

964
00:40:37.260 --> 00:40:39.599
I don't do it to us for too long.

965
00:40:39.659 --> 00:40:44.820
And they don't go out on a cliffhanger into, you know, Yeah, yeah

966
00:40:44.880 --> 00:40:45.900
credits with it.

967
00:40:46.019 --> 00:40:50.280
And I do like, I actually like how he discovers it.

968
00:40:50.340 --> 00:40:51.599
I thought that was pretty good.

969
00:40:51.659 --> 00:40:54.900
So he has to sell it though, can't he?

970
00:40:54.960 --> 00:40:56.699
Yeah, yeah. that's right.

971
00:40:56.760 --> 00:41:00.420
But there was a there was a little visual that sort of explained

972
00:41:00.420 --> 00:41:01.139
it as well.

973
00:41:01.199 --> 00:41:07.679
And, uh, you know, like it made sense that they can create dead

974
00:41:07.679 --> 00:41:09.420
things but not living things.

975
00:41:09.480 --> 00:41:12.659
And so the way that we know that it's not travesties because

976
00:41:12.659 --> 00:41:14.639
everyone was given that inoculation.

977
00:41:14.699 --> 00:41:18.360
And because it was an inoculation that came from Dr. Flox, it was

978
00:41:18.360 --> 00:41:22.500
full of little living microorganisms because Dr. Flox is a weirdo

979
00:41:22.500 --> 00:41:27.000
who already lost a regular bloodworm in Malcolm's leg earlier in

980
00:41:27.000 --> 00:41:27.960
the episode.

981
00:41:28.380 --> 00:41:30.719
And so, and so all of that stuff works.

982
00:41:30.780 --> 00:41:33.659
It's like actually quite a good techno babble story and he sells

983
00:41:33.659 --> 00:41:35.159
it with these visuals and stuff.

984
00:41:35.219 --> 00:41:36.900
I thought that was pretty good.

985
00:41:36.960 --> 00:41:40.199
I feel like you've may have ruined Dr. Flock's for me though.

986
00:41:40.260 --> 00:41:46.019
Ever since, you know, you put him in a 1970s porn movie with his

987
00:41:46.019 --> 00:41:50.880
bizarre sort of very loose clothing that he wears over his ample

988
00:41:50.880 --> 00:41:51.539
frame.

989
00:41:51.599 --> 00:41:54.900
Now, look, he's in that sort of rubber gear there doing the

990
00:41:54.900 --> 00:41:56.340
autopsy or whatever it is.

991
00:41:56.400 --> 00:41:58.619
I mean, I can just see him in some dungeon right now.

992
00:41:59.340 --> 00:42:02.340
With his many wives and co-husbands.

993
00:42:02.400 --> 00:42:06.239
But that's what I like about him because he's a bit older, I think

994
00:42:06.239 --> 00:42:08.699
you know, like everyone's sort of kind of young on the crew.

995
00:42:08.760 --> 00:42:13.380
He's a little bit older and so he reads us from the 1970s and, you

996
00:42:13.380 --> 00:42:15.539
know, like he's just a little bit of a swinger.

997
00:42:15.599 --> 00:42:16.380
I think he's great.

998
00:42:16.440 --> 00:42:19.980
It's a sort of 60, 70s vibe about what he wears that I think is

999
00:42:19.980 --> 00:42:20.460
really good.

1000
00:42:20.519 --> 00:42:25.980
Where everybody else is so bug up, but he's so relaxed and scenes

1001
00:42:25.980 --> 00:42:26.340
isn't he?

1002
00:42:26.400 --> 00:42:28.260
He's got the experience of the ages.

1003
00:42:28.320 --> 00:42:30.480
Yeah, yeah, he's humane and warm.

1004
00:42:30.539 --> 00:42:33.480
He's got a perspective, doesn't he?

1005
00:42:33.539 --> 00:42:33.840
over the years?

1006
00:42:33.960 --> 00:42:35.340
Being cute.

1007
00:42:35.340 --> 00:42:36.239
Oh, not always.

1008
00:42:36.300 --> 00:42:38.639
I was about to say, it comes with, you know, over the years you

1009
00:42:38.639 --> 00:42:40.559
learn to be humane, but that's not always the case.

1010
00:42:40.619 --> 00:42:41.760
Yeah, no.

1011
00:42:42.539 --> 00:42:45.179
Just look out the window right now.

1012
00:42:45.420 --> 00:42:50.099
And then again, we could, you know, like this could be more

1013
00:42:50.099 --> 00:42:50.940
capery.

1014
00:42:51.000 --> 00:42:54.480
It's actually a little bit boring, like you can see where they're

1015
00:42:54.480 --> 00:42:55.920
what they're going for.

1016
00:42:55.980 --> 00:42:56.880
Do you know what I mean?

1017
00:42:56.940 --> 00:42:58.500
He's pushing the big thing.

1018
00:42:58.559 --> 00:43:03.179
He has to push it onto a, onto a, you know, like a panel or

1019
00:43:03.179 --> 00:43:07.019
whatever. swing the camera around, you know, a little faster than

1020
00:43:07.019 --> 00:43:07.739
they usually do.

1021
00:43:07.800 --> 00:43:11.639
But like the mid shot, when he came in, to that set, just pushing

1022
00:43:11.639 --> 00:43:12.239
the thing in.

1023
00:43:12.300 --> 00:43:13.500
Like, you know, dinner's ready.

1024
00:43:13.559 --> 00:43:14.760
It's very boring.

1025
00:43:15.239 --> 00:43:18.000
Do you remember batter, bing, batter, bang?

1026
00:43:18.059 --> 00:43:20.340
The camera was all about the place, you know?

1027
00:43:20.400 --> 00:43:23.099
Yeah, but I think she's doing a pretty good job.

1028
00:43:23.159 --> 00:43:28.679
Like I kind of like that little close-up of the of the panel.

1029
00:43:28.739 --> 00:43:33.360
I remember Laval's direction in Dreadnaught, though. and I don't

1030
00:43:33.360 --> 00:43:39.300
always rate Lavar as a director, but he really got the, he got the

1031
00:43:39.300 --> 00:43:43.920
assignment there perfectly, and he is zooming around those where

1032
00:43:43.920 --> 00:43:46.679
where she's in a series of panic at the end.

1033
00:43:46.739 --> 00:43:50.039
She trying to outwit herself, this great bomb that's going to go

1034
00:43:50.039 --> 00:43:50.519
off.

1035
00:43:50.519 --> 00:43:54.300
And he sort of expresses the chaos in the direction.

1036
00:43:54.360 --> 00:43:59.219
Whereas she's sort of expressing mild. panic.

1037
00:43:59.280 --> 00:44:00.539
I think she does very well.

1038
00:44:00.599 --> 00:44:02.039
They're less interesting.

1039
00:44:02.099 --> 00:44:05.579
I mean, it's more interesting than Enterprise often is, I think

1040
00:44:05.639 --> 00:44:08.219
certainly more interesting than minefield.

1041
00:44:08.280 --> 00:44:09.780
Yeah, oh, yeah.

1042
00:44:09.840 --> 00:44:10.679
No, that was terribly boring.

1043
00:44:10.800 --> 00:44:14.940
Look at how beautifully he's lit there in that white room trip.

1044
00:44:15.000 --> 00:44:15.780
You know?

1045
00:44:15.840 --> 00:44:18.360
It's like he's got one of those wonderful selfie lights in his

1046
00:44:18.360 --> 00:44:18.539
face.

1047
00:44:18.599 --> 00:44:19.440
Yeah, yeah.

1048
00:44:19.500 --> 00:44:20.519
No, he's good looking.

1049
00:44:20.579 --> 00:44:21.900
He's a good looking man.

1050
00:44:22.019 --> 00:44:25.559
And actually, these are quite boring looking tunnels that they're

1051
00:44:25.559 --> 00:44:26.400
going down though, aren't they?

1052
00:44:26.460 --> 00:44:29.099
Well, they're kind of sort of Jeffrey's tubes, aren't they?

1053
00:44:29.159 --> 00:44:32.699
I guess the lighting, the grid lighting, but again, we had so much

1054
00:44:32.699 --> 00:44:35.699
of that in Deep Space 9 over the years, didn't we, over 7 years?

1055
00:44:36.420 --> 00:44:41.639
It reminds me of the sort of tunnels, we went down with Cisco

1056
00:44:41.639 --> 00:44:44.340
Edington, and Rebecca in that episode.

1057
00:44:45.119 --> 00:44:46.920
Happy times.

1058
00:44:47.880 --> 00:44:50.400
Leave me, leave me.

1059
00:44:50.460 --> 00:44:51.780
She didn't make it.

1060
00:44:54.599 --> 00:44:56.400
More fun than this.

1061
00:44:56.460 --> 00:44:58.559
Oh, yeah, for God's sake.

1062
00:44:58.619 --> 00:45:04.199
I would be reluctant to go through that thing that Iris...

1063
00:45:04.260 --> 00:45:07.260
That's the 2nd time he's been, he's been crawling along the bridge

1064
00:45:07.260 --> 00:45:07.739
floor.

1065
00:45:07.800 --> 00:45:09.480
Why are we not making this funny?

1066
00:45:09.539 --> 00:45:14.039
Yeah, yeah, yeah. intended to be. is clearly intended to be.

1067
00:45:14.099 --> 00:45:16.079
It just looks a bit awkward.

1068
00:45:16.139 --> 00:45:17.280
Oh, how did I get here?

1069
00:45:17.340 --> 00:45:19.199
Oh yes, it happened earlier, didn't it?

1070
00:45:21.599 --> 00:45:25.019
It's okay if you're a little bit knowing, you know?

1071
00:45:25.079 --> 00:45:26.039
Yeah.

1072
00:45:26.099 --> 00:45:30.840
So the warp plasma is sort of going to go up, is it?

1073
00:45:30.900 --> 00:45:31.739
It's going to explode.

1074
00:45:31.800 --> 00:45:32.760
Is that what's happening?

1075
00:45:32.880 --> 00:45:36.480
Yeah, if you say so, I mean, it does all end in a big bang.

1076
00:45:36.539 --> 00:45:38.940
Yeah, yeah, I think it's the warp plasma that does it.

1077
00:45:39.000 --> 00:45:41.579
I mean, that's kind of what we wanted at the end, right?

1078
00:45:41.639 --> 00:45:45.059
And then and then we get your ridiculous.

1079
00:45:45.119 --> 00:45:47.400
I love...

1080
00:45:47.460 --> 00:45:49.260
I love the ending so much.

1081
00:45:49.320 --> 00:45:52.260
It's exactly perfectly right. voiceover.

1082
00:45:52.320 --> 00:45:54.059
No, no, no, it's perfect.

1083
00:45:54.119 --> 00:45:57.599
Again, another Doctor Who referenced the end of evil of the Daleks

1084
00:45:57.599 --> 00:45:57.840
right?

1085
00:45:57.900 --> 00:46:03.599
It has to, like, every episode of season one of the X-Files ended

1086
00:46:03.599 --> 00:46:03.900
that way.

1087
00:46:03.960 --> 00:46:05.519
Evil has been defeated.

1088
00:46:05.579 --> 00:46:07.559
Oh, no way. somehow it's still alive.

1089
00:46:07.619 --> 00:46:11.519
The central processing computer building is alive again, you

1090
00:46:11.519 --> 00:46:11.760
know.

1091
00:46:11.820 --> 00:46:13.559
Okay, so here we are.

1092
00:46:13.679 --> 00:46:14.159
Good shot.

1093
00:46:14.219 --> 00:46:16.679
That's a good shot coming in and seeing all these corpses hanging

1094
00:46:16.679 --> 00:46:16.860
on.

1095
00:46:16.920 --> 00:46:17.699
I think so too.

1096
00:46:17.760 --> 00:46:19.739
I think it's good and the set is quite good.

1097
00:46:19.800 --> 00:46:23.639
Like it's, you know, like it's, and it's a bit gruesome.

1098
00:46:23.699 --> 00:46:26.820
It's like the things hanging from the ceiling in prey or

1099
00:46:26.820 --> 00:46:27.059
whatever.

1100
00:46:27.119 --> 00:46:29.099
There's a lot of them as well.

1101
00:46:29.159 --> 00:46:32.820
I don't know if they're sort of computer repeated on the on the

1102
00:46:32.820 --> 00:46:33.119
page.

1103
00:46:33.179 --> 00:46:35.340
I do think it might have been more interesting if it was still

1104
00:46:35.340 --> 00:46:38.519
white, though, and you really pick them out against the white.

1105
00:46:38.579 --> 00:46:41.760
Yeah, but I think what they've done, do you know what I mean?

1106
00:46:41.820 --> 00:46:47.519
They're doing the thing where the facade is this very pleasant and

1107
00:46:47.519 --> 00:46:49.860
welcoming environment designed.

1108
00:46:49.920 --> 00:46:51.539
Yeah, yeah. that's right.

1109
00:46:51.599 --> 00:46:55.199
Yeah, exactly. everyone's being tortured beyond the scenes to make

1110
00:46:55.199 --> 00:46:55.500
you happy.

1111
00:46:55.619 --> 00:46:57.239
So there's a Klingon there.

1112
00:46:57.300 --> 00:47:01.739
Oh, and they have neurological damage so that we can leave them

1113
00:47:01.739 --> 00:47:02.460
behind.

1114
00:47:02.519 --> 00:47:04.800
So we don't have to bother freeing them or we can just blow the

1115
00:47:04.800 --> 00:47:05.340
thing up.

1116
00:47:05.400 --> 00:47:09.539
So they've been, uh, you know, hooked up to the computer for so

1117
00:47:09.539 --> 00:47:10.260
long that there.

1118
00:47:10.260 --> 00:47:12.539
I think some of those people probably could have come in quite

1119
00:47:12.539 --> 00:47:13.320
useful, you know.

1120
00:47:13.380 --> 00:47:13.980
It could have been great.

1121
00:47:14.280 --> 00:47:17.400
And then we could have used them all as sort of processing power

1122
00:47:17.400 --> 00:47:18.300
for enterprise.

1123
00:47:19.139 --> 00:47:22.079
Instead of the gel packs.

1124
00:47:22.199 --> 00:47:23.579
I'll say, look.

1125
00:47:23.639 --> 00:47:26.039
Look, Travis, into the computer core.

1126
00:47:26.099 --> 00:47:29.639
Take his top off because you don't need that anymore and just hook

1127
00:47:29.639 --> 00:47:29.880
him up.

1128
00:47:32.940 --> 00:47:35.460
Oh, fuck, do you see all that liquid going everywhere?

1129
00:47:35.519 --> 00:47:37.800
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1130
00:47:37.860 --> 00:47:38.039
Yeah.

1131
00:47:38.099 --> 00:47:39.300
Like, what is it?

1132
00:47:39.360 --> 00:47:43.139
It's like strawberry. like it's like ribena.

1133
00:47:43.199 --> 00:47:45.300
Oh, I fucking love this.

1134
00:47:45.360 --> 00:47:48.900
The great mechanical arms, grab hold of the sourcer section to say

1135
00:47:48.900 --> 00:47:50.219
nope, you ain't going nowhere, mate.

1136
00:47:50.280 --> 00:47:51.780
It's really good, isn't it?

1137
00:47:51.840 --> 00:47:52.800
I think it's really great.

1138
00:47:52.860 --> 00:47:56.280
And I actually think that the action where he's firing torpedoes

1139
00:47:56.280 --> 00:47:59.820
at the at the thing and it doesn't break entirely and then when he

1140
00:47:59.820 --> 00:48:02.940
flies off and there's still an arm attached to the Enterprise

1141
00:48:02.940 --> 00:48:04.079
source section.

1142
00:48:04.139 --> 00:48:06.300
Like, I think that's all pretty great, you know?

1143
00:48:06.300 --> 00:48:09.119
I feel like that could have been a sequel here, you know, with the

1144
00:48:09.119 --> 00:48:13.260
great repair station seeking its revenge once it's repaired.

1145
00:48:13.320 --> 00:48:15.480
You took away all my processing power.

1146
00:48:15.539 --> 00:48:15.840
Right.

1147
00:48:15.900 --> 00:48:17.099
Then you know how it works.

1148
00:48:17.159 --> 00:48:18.539
I bargain for a bargain.

1149
00:48:18.599 --> 00:48:21.179
Now I'm going to kill all your crew. wonderful.

1150
00:48:21.239 --> 00:48:22.800
Yeah, I don't know.

1151
00:48:22.860 --> 00:48:26.159
We can voice it by Jeffrey Combs playing the evil computer, you

1152
00:48:26.159 --> 00:48:26.400
know?

1153
00:48:26.460 --> 00:48:28.920
Again, or before.

1154
00:48:28.980 --> 00:48:31.320
Oh, Nathan, rocks all over the white floor.

1155
00:48:31.380 --> 00:48:32.880
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1156
00:48:32.940 --> 00:48:33.300
Yeah.

1157
00:48:33.360 --> 00:48:34.139
It's a thing.

1158
00:48:34.260 --> 00:48:36.480
What do you think, do you think there's like a rock wrangler or

1159
00:48:36.480 --> 00:48:36.719
something?

1160
00:48:37.440 --> 00:48:42.420
As I think I've said before, there is a name for those rocks and

1161
00:48:42.420 --> 00:48:46.199
they're given, there's a reason why they exist in a lower decks

1162
00:48:46.199 --> 00:48:46.679
episode.

1163
00:48:46.739 --> 00:48:49.619
Someone explains why the bulkheads are packed with rocks.

1164
00:48:49.679 --> 00:48:53.159
Do they explain why they keep putting them in the console, so, and

1165
00:48:53.159 --> 00:48:54.239
blowing people's heads?

1166
00:48:54.300 --> 00:48:58.199
Yeah, everything's packed with rocks to dampen the subspace.

1167
00:48:58.260 --> 00:49:00.360
I think it's just because there's always someone annoying in the

1168
00:49:00.360 --> 00:49:00.719
crew.

1169
00:49:00.780 --> 00:49:03.360
So there's one console where they were like, right, he's really

1170
00:49:03.360 --> 00:49:04.739
irritated today, isn't it?

1171
00:49:05.280 --> 00:49:06.300
going into a dangerous situation.

1172
00:49:06.360 --> 00:49:08.039
Put them in the...

1173
00:49:08.039 --> 00:49:09.420
Knives and rocks in this one.

1174
00:49:09.480 --> 00:49:10.199
Acid.

1175
00:49:11.219 --> 00:49:18.480
Put him in the death console. that's right Oh, dear, dear.

1176
00:49:18.599 --> 00:49:20.039
Okay.

1177
00:49:20.099 --> 00:49:23.579
Yes, see, that was a very boring shot of the war plasma.

1178
00:49:23.639 --> 00:49:26.519
Just a boring mid-shot.

1179
00:49:26.579 --> 00:49:29.039
Whereas it should be so dynamic.

1180
00:49:29.099 --> 00:49:30.840
The thing's about to blow up the concept.

1181
00:49:30.900 --> 00:49:31.739
Yeah, yeah.

1182
00:49:31.800 --> 00:49:34.320
Well, that, I mean, the explosion going down, the corridor was

1183
00:49:34.320 --> 00:49:34.739
pretty great.

1184
00:49:34.800 --> 00:49:36.420
You know, it's something.

1185
00:49:36.480 --> 00:49:38.159
Oh, look out to Paul.

1186
00:49:38.219 --> 00:49:39.059
Yeah, we did good.

1187
00:49:39.119 --> 00:49:39.539
Yeah.

1188
00:49:40.739 --> 00:49:45.179
You know what's weird, though, is we haven't even get to see Hoshi

1189
00:49:45.179 --> 00:49:47.039
happy that Mayweather's alive.

1190
00:49:47.159 --> 00:49:48.840
I don't get a scene together.

1191
00:49:48.840 --> 00:49:52.559
No, because none of that matters because it's just those secondary

1192
00:49:52.559 --> 00:49:54.059
characters who we don't care about.

1193
00:49:54.119 --> 00:49:57.719
And all we're interested in is the space people shouting things

1194
00:49:57.719 --> 00:49:59.280
about their consoles and stuff.

1195
00:49:59.340 --> 00:50:00.719
I've got it.

1196
00:50:00.780 --> 00:50:03.119
I know how we can tie it in, right?

1197
00:50:03.179 --> 00:50:05.579
The conclusion of the episode could have been written.

1198
00:50:05.639 --> 00:50:10.619
So Travis is instrumental in the destruction of this thing.

1199
00:50:10.679 --> 00:50:14.699
And as they fly away, Hoshi's like, oh, look at what are your

1200
00:50:14.699 --> 00:50:15.659
practical jokes again?

1201
00:50:15.659 --> 00:50:17.760
For God's sake, we're going to stay.

1202
00:50:19.380 --> 00:50:22.739
That would have been the red dwarf version of it.

1203
00:50:22.800 --> 00:50:23.579
Exactly.

1204
00:50:23.639 --> 00:50:24.599
Exactly.

1205
00:50:26.039 --> 00:50:29.099
I bet I mean, this is all quite fun.

1206
00:50:29.159 --> 00:50:30.239
This is agreeable enough.

1207
00:50:30.300 --> 00:50:32.519
This is sort of some space action.

1208
00:50:32.579 --> 00:50:33.300
I'm here for that.

1209
00:50:33.360 --> 00:50:34.739
I like torpedo.

1210
00:50:34.800 --> 00:50:37.860
They've sort of put some dirt all over their face. haven't they?

1211
00:50:37.920 --> 00:50:38.760
They all look a bit rough now.

1212
00:50:38.820 --> 00:50:40.559
Sweaty and rough.

1213
00:50:40.619 --> 00:50:44.699
Except Jolene, of course, he still looks absolutely stunning.

1214
00:50:44.760 --> 00:50:46.079
Yeah there we go.

1215
00:50:46.139 --> 00:50:49.199
Do you want us to apply dirt to Jolene?

1216
00:50:49.260 --> 00:50:49.500
No.

1217
00:50:49.980 --> 00:50:52.260
No, you come on, she's a lady.

1218
00:50:52.320 --> 00:50:55.019
You learn our lesson in coarse oblivion, you know, when we slap

1219
00:50:55.019 --> 00:50:56.880
latex all over Jerry Ryan.

1220
00:50:56.940 --> 00:50:59.219
Oh my goodness, it looks so good.

1221
00:50:59.280 --> 00:51:00.719
It does look pretty great.

1222
00:51:00.780 --> 00:51:02.880
It sort of goes up like a load of fireworks.

1223
00:51:02.940 --> 00:51:03.599
Did you?

1224
00:51:03.659 --> 00:51:05.280
Yeah, it's awesome. pretty good.

1225
00:51:05.340 --> 00:51:08.579
Oh, Jolene, why did they put you in that costume?

1226
00:51:08.639 --> 00:51:09.960
Oh my word.

1227
00:51:11.280 --> 00:51:14.639
Wow, I know exactly why they put Travis in that costume.

1228
00:51:15.179 --> 00:51:19.260
Oh, actually, I can't object to far on the one hand and criticise

1229
00:51:19.260 --> 00:51:19.920
on the other.

1230
00:51:19.980 --> 00:51:20.219
Can I?

1231
00:51:20.340 --> 00:51:21.420
Yeah, you can.

1232
00:51:21.480 --> 00:51:22.559
Okay.

1233
00:51:22.619 --> 00:51:25.739
But he is wearing a lot of, like, lip gloss, isn't he, in that

1234
00:51:25.739 --> 00:51:26.039
scene?

1235
00:51:26.099 --> 00:51:30.719
Wow, yes, oh, is it another practical joke?

1236
00:51:30.780 --> 00:51:32.460
What's he doing with that bit gloss?

1237
00:51:32.940 --> 00:51:35.820
Oh, it's got a diuretic in it.

1238
00:51:35.880 --> 00:51:38.099
He's going around kissing because look at him. everyone's going to

1239
00:51:38.099 --> 00:51:41.099
kiss him. to go around kissing all the men and women.

1240
00:51:41.159 --> 00:51:43.320
No one's going on ship tomorrow.

1241
00:51:43.380 --> 00:51:44.519
Look at that.

1242
00:51:44.579 --> 00:51:46.980
Look how much look how much makeup he has on.

1243
00:51:47.039 --> 00:51:48.300
I don't know what they do.

1244
00:51:48.360 --> 00:51:50.219
It's so strange.

1245
00:51:50.280 --> 00:51:51.659
Yeah.

1246
00:51:51.719 --> 00:51:53.280
I mean, he's got natural beauty.

1247
00:51:53.340 --> 00:51:54.000
He doesn't need help.

1248
00:51:54.059 --> 00:51:57.239
No, no, but it is, I don't know what.

1249
00:51:57.300 --> 00:51:59.340
I mean, Billingsley's got quite a lot of makeup on as well.

1250
00:51:59.400 --> 00:52:00.239
It does too.

1251
00:52:00.300 --> 00:52:03.239
But, you know, I don't mean to be rude, but he needs the help.

1252
00:52:03.239 --> 00:52:06.960
But, you know, Bakula needs the help.

1253
00:52:07.019 --> 00:52:08.099
I don't think that...

1254
00:52:08.099 --> 00:52:13.679
That killer needs so much help in this.

1255
00:52:13.739 --> 00:52:15.480
It just wasn't getting it, wasn't it?

1256
00:52:15.539 --> 00:52:16.800
Oh, dear.

1257
00:52:16.800 --> 00:52:18.539
When can I have my helms and back?

1258
00:52:18.599 --> 00:52:21.659
When's he coming back to work after all, now that he's not dead?

1259
00:52:21.719 --> 00:52:22.619
No, look at the joke.

1260
00:52:22.679 --> 00:52:24.119
Come for breakfast.

1261
00:52:24.179 --> 00:52:27.539
Chefs poached eggs are waiting for you.

1262
00:52:28.860 --> 00:52:30.960
Oh thank goodness.

1263
00:52:31.019 --> 00:52:32.699
I promise I won't cancel it.

1264
00:52:32.760 --> 00:52:34.139
It's in my Outlook calendar.

1265
00:52:35.460 --> 00:52:37.559
Oh, dear.

1266
00:52:37.619 --> 00:52:40.440
That was the highlight of my year, captain.

1267
00:52:40.500 --> 00:52:42.539
I couldn't have died without having breakfast with you.

1268
00:52:42.719 --> 00:52:46.739
And then this, like the final scene is really, that's pretty

1269
00:52:46.739 --> 00:52:47.039
good.

1270
00:52:47.099 --> 00:52:49.559
That is really good with it repairing itself.

1271
00:52:49.619 --> 00:52:51.239
Well, just a little bit of, you want to say?

1272
00:52:55.019 --> 00:53:00.059
Well, I mean, we mostly had fun with that by comparing it to other

1273
00:53:00.059 --> 00:53:04.440
worse episodes. better episodes of Star Trek, actually.

1274
00:53:05.219 --> 00:53:10.619
But like, you know, on the scale of enterprise, which is a

1275
00:53:10.619 --> 00:53:12.780
different scale to all other Star Trek shows.

1276
00:53:12.900 --> 00:53:18.239
I mean, I'd put that as a one BEM, at least, over half, a 2.5 .

1277
00:53:18.360 --> 00:53:20.820
Germa gave it 3 stars out of four.

1278
00:53:20.940 --> 00:53:23.340
BM 2.5 stars.

1279
00:53:23.400 --> 00:53:26.039
I think it was reasonably agreeable.

1280
00:53:26.099 --> 00:53:30.539
It isn't a night in Sick Bay, but so little of enterprise is.

1281
00:53:32.099 --> 00:53:34.500
I should watch that after this.

1282
00:53:36.179 --> 00:53:38.039
So much fun.

1283
00:53:38.280 --> 00:53:45.900
But what I will say is, it's nice to see that they can tread some

1284
00:53:45.900 --> 00:53:46.619
new paths.

1285
00:53:46.679 --> 00:53:49.559
Yeah, we did say that about the 1st half.

1286
00:53:49.559 --> 00:53:55.079
And even though they just can't get their heads out of 90s trek

1287
00:53:55.079 --> 00:53:55.739
mode, can they?

1288
00:53:55.800 --> 00:54:01.260
They just can't think to end the episode in a especially witty or

1289
00:54:01.260 --> 00:54:02.159
exciting way.

1290
00:54:04.440 --> 00:54:06.179
Blow it up.

1291
00:54:06.239 --> 00:54:07.860
Leave the corpses there.

1292
00:54:07.920 --> 00:54:10.440
Let's go, you know, very TNG season one.

1293
00:54:10.500 --> 00:54:11.699
We've been doing this a long time now.

1294
00:54:11.760 --> 00:54:15.119
Yeah, like on Enterprises terms, agreeable.

1295
00:54:15.179 --> 00:54:16.860
Not a chore.

1296
00:54:16.920 --> 00:54:18.300
Yeah, not a chore.

1297
00:54:18.360 --> 00:54:21.780
Interesting location, interesting sort of major concept, a nice

1298
00:54:21.780 --> 00:54:23.039
bit of serialisation.

1299
00:54:23.099 --> 00:54:26.400
There was a lot of just hang time with the crew, and, you know

1300
00:54:26.400 --> 00:54:30.119
there's a sense in which what is successful with enterprise is

1301
00:54:30.119 --> 00:54:34.679
that it takes us away from the 24th century for the 1st time since

1302
00:54:34.679 --> 00:54:40.019
you know, original track, and it allows us to see a different type

1303
00:54:40.019 --> 00:54:41.880
of travelling through space.

1304
00:54:41.940 --> 00:54:43.679
And I always like that detail.

1305
00:54:43.739 --> 00:54:44.639
Like, I like that.

1306
00:54:44.699 --> 00:54:47.940
It was what attracted me to Star Trek the Next Generation, where

1307
00:54:47.940 --> 00:54:51.360
now we're in the 24th century and the technology's new

1308
00:54:51.360 --> 00:54:52.019
everything's new.

1309
00:54:52.019 --> 00:54:56.940
And, you know, we're getting a new type of 22nd century Star Trek

1310
00:54:56.940 --> 00:54:59.159
which I think is fun to spend time with.

1311
00:54:59.219 --> 00:55:01.199
Like, I didn't hate it at all.

1312
00:55:01.260 --> 00:55:05.519
But it has the usual problems that enterprise has, I think

1313
00:55:05.519 --> 00:55:07.440
inoffensive.

1314
00:55:07.500 --> 00:55:08.280
Yeah.

1315
00:55:08.340 --> 00:55:09.059
Yeah, I thought so.

1316
00:55:09.179 --> 00:55:11.940
It's a fucking miracle for enterprise.

1317
00:55:21.000 --> 00:55:24.719
All right, it's the end of the episode and it's time for us to

1318
00:55:24.719 --> 00:55:26.639
work out where we're going next time.

1319
00:55:26.699 --> 00:55:32.219
This is my choice, as always, and so it's your turn on the

1320
00:55:32.219 --> 00:55:34.199
randomiser now, Joe, where are we going?

1321
00:55:34.440 --> 00:55:38.579
Yeah, it's sort of now we're bleeding away a bit of interest in

1322
00:55:38.579 --> 00:55:39.539
90s trek.

1323
00:55:39.599 --> 00:55:41.460
But I'm going to keep it in the mix.

1324
00:55:41.460 --> 00:55:45.659
Since you went for your cliche, let's go back to Star Trek

1325
00:55:45.659 --> 00:55:46.320
Enterprise.

1326
00:55:46.380 --> 00:55:47.940
I'll go to my cliche.

1327
00:55:48.000 --> 00:55:51.239
Let's throw it all in the pot, all of it, and see what we get, you

1328
00:55:51.239 --> 00:55:51.480
know?

1329
00:55:51.539 --> 00:55:55.019
All right. 60 years of Star Trek in the palm of my hand.

1330
00:55:55.079 --> 00:55:56.340
Excellent.

1331
00:55:57.659 --> 00:56:00.119
But probably 90s track.

1332
00:56:00.179 --> 00:56:02.280
Oh, shit in hell.

1333
00:56:04.679 --> 00:56:06.900
Oh, we've got through it.

1334
00:56:07.019 --> 00:56:08.039
We've got to do it.

1335
00:56:08.099 --> 00:56:13.079
Your random start just very rare we do the 1st row, is it?

1336
00:56:13.139 --> 00:56:16.320
Yeah, sometimes though, sometimes it happens, sometimes

1337
00:56:16.320 --> 00:56:17.219
something's compelling.

1338
00:56:17.280 --> 00:56:21.480
It's considered one of the worst episodes of Voyager of all time.

1339
00:56:21.539 --> 00:56:22.980
We've got to.

1340
00:56:23.099 --> 00:56:23.880
Is it twisted?

1341
00:56:25.800 --> 00:56:29.940
Season two, episode six, twisted.

1342
00:56:30.000 --> 00:56:31.079
Yes.

1343
00:56:31.440 --> 00:56:33.360
Oh, God.

1344
00:56:33.420 --> 00:56:35.880
I think we'll probably find things to enjoy in it, you know.

1345
00:56:35.940 --> 00:56:38.039
It's a lot of hang time with the characters.

1346
00:56:38.099 --> 00:56:40.559
It's a lot of hang time with the characters, and of course, as

1347
00:56:40.559 --> 00:56:43.139
usual, we can talk about other better, more interesting episodes

1348
00:56:43.139 --> 00:56:46.139
of Star Trek to pass the time as well.

1349
00:56:46.199 --> 00:56:50.099
So there's that possibility. the episode that's so bad.

1350
00:56:50.159 --> 00:56:55.320
Yeah, that they said there is no way we can put out this boring

1351
00:56:55.320 --> 00:56:59.519
bottle show at the end of season one, our opening year of

1352
00:56:59.519 --> 00:57:00.119
Voyager.

1353
00:57:00.179 --> 00:57:02.940
So we'll shove it in with the 4 episodes.

1354
00:57:02.940 --> 00:57:06.659
We're kicking it into season 2 because nobody's going to want to

1355
00:57:06.659 --> 00:57:06.900
come back.

1356
00:57:06.960 --> 00:57:13.019
No, no, the finale was going to be... the 37s originally.

1357
00:57:13.079 --> 00:57:13.320
Yeah.

1358
00:57:13.380 --> 00:57:16.619
But there was 4 episodes, wasn't it, that they carried over to

1359
00:57:16.619 --> 00:57:21.119
season 2 and they made, and this is understandably one of them

1360
00:57:21.119 --> 00:57:25.139
where you might think before the end of season one, they are run

1361
00:57:25.139 --> 00:57:29.880
out of ideas as everyone stands around the ship as a wave of who

1362
00:57:29.880 --> 00:57:30.420
knows what?

1363
00:57:30.480 --> 00:57:35.519
slowly go through the ship and rearranges it, right?

1364
00:57:35.579 --> 00:57:37.800
It's just like weird corridors and stuff.

1365
00:57:37.860 --> 00:57:38.579
Is that the threat?

1366
00:57:38.639 --> 00:57:41.340
I can barely. whipply-wobbly effect, you know?

1367
00:57:41.400 --> 00:57:45.719
Oh, I think it's got like it's the height of Neelix, Tom Paris

1368
00:57:45.719 --> 00:57:46.679
jealousy as well.

1369
00:57:46.800 --> 00:57:47.820
Oh yuck.

1370
00:57:47.940 --> 00:57:50.280
Yeah, but it's worth talking about though, isn't it, right?

1371
00:57:50.340 --> 00:57:53.579
Because we're very nice about an ilix, but it's worth saying, think

1372
00:57:53.579 --> 00:57:55.079
how an awful I was.

1373
00:57:55.139 --> 00:57:56.099
So charming.

1374
00:57:56.159 --> 00:57:57.300
No, that's true.

1375
00:57:57.360 --> 00:57:59.280
I'm sure Janeway wants a coffee.

1376
00:57:59.340 --> 00:58:00.840
That's generally what she wants to do.

1377
00:58:00.900 --> 00:58:01.920
That'll be one and two.

1378
00:58:02.099 --> 00:58:06.539
And oh, Roxanne will be really angry because that's generally what

1379
00:58:06.539 --> 00:58:08.039
she did in season one and two.

1380
00:58:08.099 --> 00:58:08.460
Yeah.

1381
00:58:08.519 --> 00:58:10.380
What's your rest, Robert?

1382
00:58:10.440 --> 00:58:13.679
Uh, the worst, Robert?

1383
00:58:13.739 --> 00:58:15.480
Oh, he's part of the jealousy plot, obviously.

1384
00:58:15.539 --> 00:58:19.380
The best Robert will be being excellent, but he'll probably only

1385
00:58:19.380 --> 00:58:23.579
get a scene and the other Robert, the mid Robert.

1386
00:58:23.639 --> 00:58:25.139
This is when he's quite good.

1387
00:58:25.199 --> 00:58:26.340
Yeah, okay.

1388
00:58:26.400 --> 00:58:26.760
Yeah, yeah.

1389
00:58:26.820 --> 00:58:29.880
I'm a big fan of the medium, Robert, early on, I think he is

1390
00:58:29.880 --> 00:58:30.300
pretty good.

1391
00:58:30.360 --> 00:58:31.019
He is pretty good.

1392
00:58:31.079 --> 00:58:34.139
It'd be just interesting to hang with those people at that point

1393
00:58:34.139 --> 00:58:40.260
late one early too, wherever you want to put it, and just see what

1394
00:58:40.260 --> 00:58:42.659
they're up to. as they're kicking in.

1395
00:58:42.719 --> 00:58:46.800
Yeah. with a really the boringest anomaly of all time.

1396
00:58:48.179 --> 00:58:51.780
Oh, let's get our knickers in a twist, shall we?

1397
00:58:52.079 --> 00:58:54.000
Oh, sure.

1398
00:59:01.139 --> 00:59:04.980
You've been listening to entitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford

1399
00:59:04.980 --> 00:59:09.300
and Nathan Bottomley, where online at untitled Star Trek Project

1400
00:59:08.460 --> 00:59:11.820
com, where you can find subscription links and links to our social

1401
00:59:11.820 --> 00:59:12.719
media accounts.

1402
00:59:12.780 --> 00:59:16.739
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Ciceran, and the theme was

1403
00:59:16.739 --> 00:59:18.480
composed by Cameron Lahn.

1404
00:59:18.539 --> 00:59:23.400
This episode was recorded on the 26th of May 2026 and released on

1405
00:59:23.400 --> 00:59:24.659
the 29th of May.

1406
00:59:24.719 --> 00:59:28.500
We'll see you next time for Star Trek Voyager, Twisted.

1407
00:59:46.619 --> 00:59:47.940
Oh, twisted.

1408
00:59:48.000 --> 00:59:51.059
Well, you mentioned twisted before we started recording.

1409
00:59:51.119 --> 00:59:53.880
Like, I think that you mentioned it.

1410
00:59:53.940 --> 00:59:56.219
Well, what's what we would have got next.

1411
00:59:56.280 --> 00:59:57.300
Prodigy.

1412
00:59:57.300 --> 00:59:58.679
Masquerade.

1413
00:59:58.739 --> 01:00:00.719
I don't know what it is, but it's better than Twisted.

1414
01:00:00.780 --> 01:00:02.940
No, I don't know what it is either. season two?

1415
01:00:03.059 --> 01:00:05.340
Oh, no, we actually we were lucky.

1416
01:00:05.400 --> 01:00:06.119
We had a capt going.

1417
01:00:06.179 --> 01:00:09.000
It would have been the animated series episode Albatross.

1418
01:00:09.059 --> 01:00:12.420
Do you know I might pick the animated series next?

1419
01:00:12.960 --> 01:00:15.360
How long has it been since we did one?

1420
01:00:16.260 --> 01:00:18.480
A while, I'm sure.

1421
01:00:18.539 --> 01:00:19.860
I reckon it has.

1422
01:00:24.179 --> 01:00:26.579
Yeah, oh, anyway.

1423
01:00:26.699 --> 01:00:31.619
What sort of algorithm have you got going on in this randomiser?

1424
01:00:31.619 --> 01:00:33.480
60 years of Star Trek to choose from.

1425
01:00:33.539 --> 01:00:36.000
The 1st thing it hands me is twisted.

1426
01:00:36.059 --> 01:00:36.900
Twisted?

1427
01:00:36.960 --> 01:00:38.039
Yeah, yeah.

1428
01:00:38.099 --> 01:00:39.960
I think the visitor was a 1st choice.

1429
01:00:40.019 --> 01:00:42.480
I think we chose to visit a certain...

1430
01:00:42.539 --> 01:00:43.920
It was emissary of 1st choice.

1431
01:00:44.039 --> 01:00:45.960
No, it was built down, wouldn't it?

1432
01:00:47.039 --> 01:00:50.400
Okay, maybe we should we do need to go away from 90s after that

1433
01:00:50.400 --> 01:00:53.880
then, because that's been like 7 on the bounce or something.

1434
01:00:54.659 --> 01:00:57.719
We're sort of doing the quality range now, aren't we?

1435
01:00:57.780 --> 01:00:58.980
We're sort of getting worse and worse.

1436
01:00:59.039 --> 01:01:00.599
Yeah, yeah.

1437
01:01:00.659 --> 01:01:03.719
Definitely animated series, I think is a possibility.

1438
01:01:03.780 --> 01:01:06.900
Or maybe all of the animated series in the in the mix.

1439
01:01:06.960 --> 01:01:10.619
Then I'll think of all... prodigy.

1440
01:01:10.679 --> 01:01:12.480
After that, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1441
01:01:12.539 --> 01:01:17.219
I might take out Discovery because there's a lot of it and I think

1442
01:01:17.219 --> 01:01:18.059
all the other ones.

1443
01:01:18.119 --> 01:01:19.679
I just don't feel like we've talked about enough.

1444
01:01:19.739 --> 01:01:23.460
So short tricks, the card, lower decks, prodigy, Strangely World

1445
01:01:23.460 --> 01:01:24.239
Starfleet Academy.

1446
01:01:24.300 --> 01:01:26.099
There'll be something interesting in those.

1447
01:01:26.159 --> 01:01:30.000
Starfleet Academy is now the least covered one because we've done

1448
01:01:30.000 --> 01:01:32.639
10% of it and we've done 20% of everything else.

1449
01:01:32.699 --> 01:01:33.420
Just choose that then.

1450
01:01:33.480 --> 01:01:34.199
I'll just choose that.

1451
01:01:34.199 --> 01:01:36.420
Keep going until I get the Jake episode.

1452
01:01:38.460 --> 01:01:40.559
It shouldn't take too long.

1453
01:01:40.559 --> 01:01:44.880
Excuse me, you've given me methods now where I can sort of...

1454
01:01:45.000 --> 01:01:48.719
There is only one season of Star Lake Academy, though.

1455
01:01:48.780 --> 01:01:49.920
Exactly.

1456
01:01:49.980 --> 01:01:51.420
I've only got to press it 10 times.

1457
01:01:51.480 --> 01:01:53.340
Yeah, well, probably.