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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So we are back aboard Deep Space 9, and it's actually Deep Space 9

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for the 1st time.

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We're doing the pilot.

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I think it might be our 1st pilot, apart from Strange New Worlds.

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Perhaps, and Starfleet Academy.

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We've done a few finalees, haven't we?

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But not many pilots.

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We have.

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So this is called Emissary, uh, with a story by Rick Berman and

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Michael Piller, and it's directed by David Carson, and it aired on

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the 3rd of January 1993, and over on the Enterprise D. We had just

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had chain of command part 2 and our next episode is going to be

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ship in a bottle.

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Oh, yeah, good time for Star Trek.

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It is quite a good time for Star Trek.

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I gather that you're fairly indifferent about this one, is that

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right?

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Yeah, well, as a show, you know, Deeks waste.

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I can take it or leave it, you know?

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No, I mean, I will say, and it sounds like hyperbole, but I think

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emissary may be responsible for me being here today. and doing

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untitled Star Trek project because I genuinely had never aged 13

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seen television quite like this because I was only watching, you

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know, kids television until this point. and my mum watched

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emissary and said, I think you'll really like this.

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Um, you, you know, because I love TNG, but that wasn't the most

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sophisticated of programs and um, we watched it together and my

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mind was blown.

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The discussion of religion, the sort of intense look at somebody's

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mental health, somebody having a breakdown.

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Um, the political situation that it drew.

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I just hadn't seen TV that intelligently looked at things like

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that before.

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But on the same time, I was sort of blown away by how it looked

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for 93.

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You know, there was a lot of money that was thrown at this

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18000000 or something like that.

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Like it was the most expensive pilot, I think, to that point.

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And yeah, and I just didn't look back from that point.

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I was a DS9 fan for life.

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Mum and I watched the entire run of D Space 9 together. one of 2

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shows that we watched together, um, which ended up being some of

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the best conversations I think I ever had with her and certainly

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some of my fondest memories with her.

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So, whilst I can see, I can see flaws in emissary, I can see it's

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a show that will evolve and this certainly isn't where they land

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with a lot of things ultimately.

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I think it's a really impressive debut, and I think it's going out

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of its way to differentiate itself from TNG in lots of interesting

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ways.

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So I can't wait to talk about this one.

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Yeah, I'm excited as well.

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I think it's really good and I think I always have.

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I think this time, what I thought was really, really good is that

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2nd half where Cisco's talking to the prophets, and I just think

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it's so strong and so clever and so well done.

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And I also just think just the way that it sets everything up

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because it's not a particularly complex plot.

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It is very straightforward.

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It does spend most of its time introducing the cast, which it

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tends to do very deftly.

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There are some overwritten parts.

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I think, you know, for sure.

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That's probably why they set me to this guard forsaken place.

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That porn.

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Nah.

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That's the worst thing.

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But everyone's very charming.

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Everyone's very likeable.

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The show is really fun and interesting.

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The fact that you have a spaceship and various ships gives it a

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scale where, you know, it's not just our thing where we're on a

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ship.

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Immediately, it opens up a different kind of way of telling

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stories.

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There isn't a massive guest cast, but some important people appear

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for the 1st time.

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Oh, which is really interesting.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, lots of planets have in Italy.

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As well, I couldn't watch the pilot.

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Yeah.

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And he's magnificent.

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He's really good in it.

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We do get to see J.G. Hansler very briefly at the beginning in a

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completely different role and he'll become very important later.

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Don't you think that's glorious because he plays a role in season

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one and a role in season 7 that aren't Martok. and that's all the

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fabulous Martok.

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They just can't get enough of him, can they?

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Yeah, yeah.

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I know he's terrific in it as well.

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And you know, you can see it doing things that TNG gets wrong, but

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you can also see it doing things that it learns from TNG.

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And I do think, for instance, that starting it with the Battle of

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Wolf 359, which is the 1st event.

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Remember when we did best of both worlds?

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And I said, this is the 1st historical event in Star Trek history

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the franchise, isn't it?

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Exactly right.

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And it's the 1st event that we've seen play out and result in

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emotional consequences for a character.

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And so we had family, exploring how Picard was affected by that.

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And so that's what we lean into in this episode.

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We lean into Wolf 359.

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And what I really like about it is that it starts embedded in Star

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Trek, but that the arc that Cisco undergoes is an arc of moving on

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from that and being excited by the future.

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And that's the most interesting thing, I think, that when he's

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still there, when he's someone who never left the Saratoga, has

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always been there during the Battle of Wolf 359, one of those

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beautiful lines.

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And one of the most stunning revelations in the thing, I think all

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of that's so well handled.

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But when he's explaining to the prophets what the future is and

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why not knowing what the future is thrilling and exciting.

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Using the baseball.

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Exactly.

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And he's embracing the future, but he's also introducing it to us

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and allowing us kind of to take that approach as well.

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A future where we don't know what's going to happen.

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That's the fun of it.

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We don't know where it's going to go, and it's entirely about this

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riding team's approach to the show.

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We don't know where it's going at this and it's really, really

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exciting that we value our ignorance of the future.

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And from this point of view, now, Deep Say Snine's defined.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Now that DC Stone's defined, we don't have that ignorance of the

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future anymore, but it just reminded me how exciting the prospect

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of that was and how much it was about the show as much as it is

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about Cisco's life.

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Well, you know where we're going, don't you?

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They've just spent 8000000 on this thing.

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We ain't leaving the station for the rest of the season.

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That's so expensive as well, though.

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The one thing that really stood out to me was just how dirty and

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broken down and how not the enterprise this setting is.

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It's not a beautiful lounge with carpet on the walls, you know

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there is, there's a bit of grit here, and I like that cork's bars

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introduced in a sort of smoky, grungy sort of a way with all of

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the low lives of the galaxy in there, and you're just like, yeah

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do you know what?

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We ain't in Kansas anymore.

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We are in a way station on the edge of the galaxy where basically

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anyone can come and adventures are rife.

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It's really exciting Yeah, I think it's really great.

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I think it's really good.

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I'm looking forward to seeing again.

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Well, obviously, we'll point out as we go through as well.

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Like there are things that aren't formed here.

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And then I'll hair for one. worst hair.

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Poor Terry's performance.

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And it's worth talking about Terry Farrell, because I think it is

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possibly the most impressive development of a performance from

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sort of here to where she lands.

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Because when she gets there, she's one of the most vital

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characters we've ever seen in Star Trek.

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But here, she's very quiet.

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She's got rounds beyond her back.

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She was like a monk, isn't she, going around sort of quoting

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Technobabble all the time.

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Yeah, she gets to chill a little bit.

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I think Armin is kind of overplaying it.

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He's having the occasional last outpost moment still.

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Not some of his lines, though.

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What is it?

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When governments fall, people like me are lined up and shot.

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All of that stuff too, like all of that, you know, the provisional

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government staff, you're right.

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I can see why you thought as a kid that this was incredibly grown

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up because, you know, we had had hints of this towards the end of

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Star Trek, the Next Generation, and Star Trek, the Next Generation

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will move into that a bit where you've got the McKee and various

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other sort of things that lead to Voyager as well.

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So it's starting to take place in a world that's a little bit more

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like contemporary politics or kind of reflect some contemporary

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concerns.

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Doesn't linger, though. does it?

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It doesn't linger on TNG because we're off to another adventure.

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We're stuck here and the mistakes we make today will have

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consequences tomorrow.

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And, that's not a revelation in terms of, of drama, but it is a

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revelation in terms of Star Trek.

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Yeah, yeah.

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I mean, you can't say where it's going and the show does kind of

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say that.

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And, you know, they didn't know where it was going, but they do

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set up something which lets them develop things in the long term.

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It wasn't 100% necessary for them to do it.

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They could have done a much less serialised version of this, but

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I'm glad that they didn't because it really pays off and just

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makes for something really fun and interesting, I think.

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The thing that really, really stood out, amongst things that

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really stood out, was Avery Brooks, and just what a sound choice

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that was giving him this part.

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And I think he is after this a bit quiet in series one.

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Yes.

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But I think he walks into this episode and he's charismatic and

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he's taken on a difficult position and he plays that scene where

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he breaks down.

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It is heartbreaking when he when he breaks down.

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And I just, I mean, I suppose we do get that from Picard in family

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but I don't know, this just feels more brutal somehow.

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There's something about Avery Brooks and his heart on his sleeve

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that just feels like, you remember Far Beyond the Stars?

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It's just so raw.

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I think that I think that Avery Brooks plays those things better

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than Patrick Stewart does.

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I'm always slightly embarrassed by Patrick Stewart going over the

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top.

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No, no, no.

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When Patrick Stewart goes over the top in family, I find that a

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little bit awkward, but I really like this.

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And I think too, you know, we gave one of the regulars a child in

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Star Trek the Next Generation, obviously it had to be the woman.

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So here, giving the main character, the commander, the central

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character a child, and making that child not a special magical

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child, but just an ordinary kid, is great. reaction, isn't it?

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It's always a reaction to what basically nobody liked about TNG.

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Yeah, yeah, but, but also things like, like, it makes the mistake

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of only having 2 women, you know, in a large regular cast, and

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that's a problem, and they will learn from that, eventually.

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They do address it.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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But by the time we get to seven, we've got a whole cast of semi

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regulars.

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Yeah that's right.

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And lots more women.

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But the 2 women are the science officer and the 2nd in command

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rather than the, you know, chief nurse and handholder, like we

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have on the enterprise.

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And that's great.

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You know, like Nanan's a great character and eventually...

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She's in charge, isn't she?

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She's the one doing all the bluff into the Kardashians.

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Fire that one shot or we've only got one shot.

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Yeah, we ain't gonna win it with that, all right?

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It's so good.

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It's so good.

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And you're right.

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She's kind of the central character because Avery's off in his

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subplot learning about grief and loss and the future and moving on

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and stuff, and she's doing all the exciting space stuff, and

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that's really great, and she's really good at it.

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Like, she's really compelling.

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She's constantly in the chair for our, um, Deep Space 9, and Nana

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said in an interview, every time I was in that chair.

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I felt so powerful.

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He's not having it back, all right?

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Do you know what?

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I think we're going to have a lot of fun watching this.

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But I think there's a lot of substance to talk about as well.

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Yeah, I do too.

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All right.

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I think we should go in.

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What do you think?

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I'm ready.

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Okay.

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I will count us in.

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Five, four, three, two, one and we're off.

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It's our 1st crawl.

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It's a great opening this.

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It just drags you into this thing, doesn't it?

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Well, it gives them a chance to do something that they must have

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thought they would never have been able to do because Star Trek

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the Next Generation moves on after best of both worlds.

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It does haunt the rest of the run of the show.

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But the thing that they couldn't afford to do was to depict the

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Battle of Wolf 359, which is why the big money shot in best of

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both worlds is the ships, yeah, the graveyard of destroyed ships

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because that's all they could afford.

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Here we're actually seeing the ships being destroyed.

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We've just seen bunches and bunches of them.

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It doesn't compare to what battles will be like by season 7 of

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Deep Space Guy.

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It's stitchy.

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Well, for 93.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I mean, all of the all of the camera work around that book cube is

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pretty dynamic.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Look, that POV shop from La Cutus's point of view.

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Yep, yep.

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All of that.

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It's really good Do you know the thing when I 1st watched this, the

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thing that really stood out to me immediately wasn't the battle

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sequence, although it was terribly exciting.

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It was just how personal this all was.

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And the point here isn't that the Federation, I fight in the

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Borg.

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The point is, a man's just lost his wife.

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And it was a version of Star Trek that I just couldn't conceive at

295
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that point.

296
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Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah.

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I mean, again, you know, like Beverly has lost her husband, um

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before the thing opens, you know, she's a widow, just like he's a

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widower.

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But and we do occasionally visit that.

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That is a thing that's part of the backstory.

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But here having it vividly depicted and making the 1st episode

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about moving on from that.

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And I guess it really is only as we record now that I realise that

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it's moving on from TNG to DS9, you know, as much as anything

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else.

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But this is so great.

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It's properly nasty.

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I mean, Jake J.

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Hurst was already dead.

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And he was there on the floor.

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It looked like Garrett from yesterday's Enterprise, covered in

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blood, rocks everywhere.

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Yeah, his Dora.

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Dora's not being paid to answer that question though.

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But we've never done that in the next generation.

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You just find someone in utter distress in the middle of a crisis

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like that.

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Yeah, it is that weird thing where we've taken a ship full of

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civilians and children and stuff to find the book, but what are

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you going to do?

323
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There wasn't time to offload them.

324
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No, that's right.

325
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Yeah, we had to get everybody there post-haste.

326
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I mean, I even love that shot out the window of the ship

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exploding.

328
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It's amazing, isn't it?

329
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And he had a choice here, and this would have been a different

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show if he'd have chosen Jennifer, right?

331
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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The little, little Jake.

333
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Oh, no.

334
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No.

335
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No, that's young, Jake.

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So, like Jennifer's dead, obviously, already by this point.

337
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Um, and it's, I just think the way that this imagery gets played

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with later and the way that we get to revisit it is so good.

339
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And I think the woman who plays Jennifer is really great.

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Like really properly great.

341
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And does she come back how many times?

342
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Once or twice?

343
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Twice in 2 alternative universe episodes.

344
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Yeah, in season 3 of season four.

345
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Yeah, and she's terrific.

346
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She's really good in this.

347
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She's great on the beach, isn't she?

348
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My mother always told me to watch out for junior officers.

349
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I love his line.

350
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Your mother is going to adore me.

351
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It's so good.

352
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So good.

353
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He's talking about that aubergine shoe that we ended up seeing

354
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Daxi in the Nagus.

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Do you remember?

356
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Although, I get the impression that the father's supposed to be

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dead at this point because he does say my father was a... a...

358
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He sent the awesome one as well in season two.

359
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He goes, I knew there was nothing I could do to save my father.

360
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And then he turns up in series four.

361
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Like we say, they do improvise occasionally.

362
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

363
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Okay, all right.

364
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So he was dead.

365
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No, fair enough.

366
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There's a terrific shot of the shuttle shooting a white.

367
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There it is.

368
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Yeah, yeah.

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But when it stops shuddering and the moment it's free of the

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Saratoga, it just heads off.

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And the way that he's looking into that's where his wife was

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that's where he left her.

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And I think what's really great too is the choice.

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Like just he closes his eyes and slowly turns away.

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The choice to not go to the opening credits with that is the right

376
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choice as well.

377
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So now we're 3 years later and we're on the holodeck.

378
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And look how good our good Syrac is.

379
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He's so amazingly right.

380
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The chemistry between these two.

381
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And it's because Avery, as an actor, embraced Sirok Lofton and

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took him into his family straight away.

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He took a very frightened child who suddenly had a massive role on

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television and was so kind to him. father and son.

385
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It's wonderful, isn't it?

386
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And we know...

387
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Sorry, just a decision to have a black family.

388
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Oh, yeah, yeah. displaying so much love.

389
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I mean, it's ridiculous to say it.

390
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It was kind of revolutionary.

391
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Yeah, yeah.

392
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I think for us, do you know what I mean?

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as white people, as just white guys, like, just, like, because

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I've seen this portrayed over and over again in media since then

395
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but just the, like, the love, the, just the incredible tactility

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of their relationship, they're always touching one another.

397
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It's so sweet.

398
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And like he's 14.

399
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So Syric is 10 years younger than I am.

400
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He's 14 years old at this point.

401
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He's 21 by the time the show ends.

402
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Look at that opening shot.

403
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It grows a few inches in that time.

404
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He's towering over Cisco by the end.

405
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It's always this thing where you can't stick in because he's

406
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queued at 14. and then puberty comes and suddenly he's a horror

407
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show.

408
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See the nanny.

409
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But that's not the case with Serong.

410
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No, he grows into a handsome man and seeing him recently on

411
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Starfleet Academy.

412
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He's a properly handsome app, isn't he?

413
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I mean, he looks like Avery's son now, doesn't he?

414
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doesn't he?

415
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doesn't he?

416
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Well, all that stuff that we learned about that relationship

417
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through tawny and 3 interviews and stuff was just incredible.

418
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It's beautiful.

419
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I can't wait till we roll that one.

420
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That was going to be a banger on a commentary.

421
00:19:37.079 --> 00:19:39.720
Well, we're seeing this station now as we're sort of heading

422
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towards it.

423
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Lonely Outpost and there's sort of, uh, Led Shake music as we head

424
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towards it.

425
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But I watched a special feature with the designers for this

426
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commentary and they show you all of the versions of what you could

427
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have had before they landed on.

428
00:19:58.920 --> 00:20:01.380
No, it's going to be a Cardassian station.

429
00:20:01.440 --> 00:20:04.980
And there was like Starfeet designs and they were also boring.

430
00:20:05.099 --> 00:20:07.259
They all look so tedious.

431
00:20:07.319 --> 00:20:09.900
And then it was 2 circles, right?

432
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A circle and then another circle as a vertical circle and a

433
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horizontal circle.

434
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That was going to be it, and it was Berman finally coming up with

435
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a creatively sound decision.

436
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He went, no, take off that bit and that bit and have it as like

437
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teeth in the air.

438
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And it's a great look.

439
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It's so, I mean, they wanted a station that said, this is deep

440
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space nine.

441
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You literally, you can't see any other show looking at that. can

442
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you?

443
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I just even think making it dark brown.

444
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You know the way the discovery decides that all of the ships are

445
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going to be sort of this burnish brass colour instead of the

446
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instead of the, you know, federation blue gray?

447
00:20:48.480 --> 00:20:52.380
And that's a really interesting choice here, just making this dark

448
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brown and making the interiors dark brown as well.

449
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I think just really works.

450
00:20:58.079 --> 00:20:59.579
It's a stunning model.

451
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And this opening shot too, with the enterprise, where we go around

452
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the docking pylons and stuff.

453
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I've learned the names of all of the bits of the ship of the

454
00:21:07.740 --> 00:21:08.579
station, by the way.

455
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Have you got the technical manual?

456
00:21:10.799 --> 00:21:12.240
No, I just looked it up.

457
00:21:12.299 --> 00:21:15.599
It's called the space station, this episode too, just in case we

458
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don't realise it's the space station.

459
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Then they start calling it the station.

460
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Look at that.

461
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You just got to see the bridge on the top level there, but they

462
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haven't actually built the proper top level.

463
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Yeah, yeah.

464
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But they're trying to suggest it's a split level set at this

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point.

466
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And we do that in the final shot.

467
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The final shot goes back up there, remember?

468
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And it's all cleaned up and now it's the space mall that we'll get

469
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to know for the next 7 years.

470
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Look at the state of it, Nathan.

471
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Looks like Empoc Norm.

472
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God, doesn't it?

473
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Uncanny, isn't it?

474
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I did no, I remember watching this going, oh, Christ, this isn't

475
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the Enterprise.

476
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Look at the state of it.

477
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How could they ever going to make this look pristine?

478
00:21:54.839 --> 00:21:56.400
And where's the carpet on the walls?

479
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What do you think of the outfits?

480
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The, like what, um, what uh, combs wearing here?

481
00:22:04.079 --> 00:22:07.319
Uh, is it not what they land with?

482
00:22:07.380 --> 00:22:09.660
Yeah, it is what they land with, but we haven't talked about it.

483
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I like them.

484
00:22:11.279 --> 00:22:12.000
I like the black.

485
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I like the predominantly black.

486
00:22:13.799 --> 00:22:16.019
It's quite slimming, you know.

487
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I think so too.

488
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I do think they look a bit pajama-y at times.

489
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And like the pockets don't do them any favour. don't they?

490
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But the, you know, they kind of, you know, because they've got

491
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like elastic in them and stuff.

492
00:22:29.099 --> 00:22:32.640
They just seem like track pants sometimes, but they seem that

493
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military, but I do like them too.

494
00:22:34.200 --> 00:22:35.279
I like the black.

495
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Francisco has no idea.

496
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He's just talked to this monk and he said, come on, commander, it's

497
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time.

498
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And he goes, I don't know, another time.

499
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And he has no idea that the conversations he eventually has with

500
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these people will change his life a spare time as well.

501
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And you know, it's one of those lines I use in my life all the

502
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time.

503
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Commander, it is time.

504
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People go, why are you calling me commander?

505
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Oh, it's just the food replicator.

506
00:23:03.599 --> 00:23:04.259
Come on.

507
00:23:04.319 --> 00:23:06.420
I know, it's so cute, is it?

508
00:23:06.480 --> 00:23:07.019
It's so good.

509
00:23:07.079 --> 00:23:07.799
It's so good.

510
00:23:07.920 --> 00:23:10.259
He's so unimpressed by it.

511
00:23:10.319 --> 00:23:14.039
It's not safe to be out because there's looters about.

512
00:23:14.099 --> 00:23:16.799
It's just a bit more dangerous, isn't it?

513
00:23:16.859 --> 00:23:17.339
Yeah.

514
00:23:17.400 --> 00:23:18.660
I mean, it won't last.

515
00:23:18.720 --> 00:23:20.160
I mean, of course, who's the looter?

516
00:23:20.220 --> 00:23:20.940
It's his best friend?

517
00:23:21.000 --> 00:23:21.660
No.

518
00:23:21.660 --> 00:23:22.500
Yeah, that's right.

519
00:23:22.559 --> 00:23:23.279
That's so fun.

520
00:23:23.339 --> 00:23:24.539
So great.

521
00:23:24.599 --> 00:23:28.980
I mean, has ever a character taken an incredible journey, like

522
00:23:28.980 --> 00:23:29.640
Nog.

523
00:23:29.700 --> 00:23:31.259
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

524
00:23:31.319 --> 00:23:32.279
It is amazing.

525
00:23:32.339 --> 00:23:34.140
He does get mentioned by name.

526
00:23:34.200 --> 00:23:36.000
I think he wants.

527
00:23:36.059 --> 00:23:37.559
I think we hear his name.

528
00:23:37.619 --> 00:23:42.420
Rom is there at the Darbo table, but he doesn't get credited by

529
00:23:42.420 --> 00:23:42.720
name.

530
00:23:42.779 --> 00:23:43.859
He's like Darbo guy.

531
00:23:43.920 --> 00:23:49.799
I love how he makes fun, how, um, Ben makes fun of, um, of

532
00:23:49.799 --> 00:23:50.759
little.

533
00:23:50.880 --> 00:23:52.799
Okay, and just go going.

534
00:23:54.180 --> 00:23:58.500
That is how that is how fathers and sons take the piss out of each

535
00:23:58.500 --> 00:23:59.339
other though, isn't it?

536
00:23:59.400 --> 00:24:00.000
so cute.

537
00:24:00.119 --> 00:24:01.980
I fucking love the opposite.

538
00:24:02.039 --> 00:24:04.619
I mean, they've learned some messes here, haven't they, from Next

539
00:24:04.619 --> 00:24:05.099
Generation?

540
00:24:05.160 --> 00:24:06.779
Oh, that's a terrible set.

541
00:24:06.839 --> 00:24:08.279
I mean, that's a shockingly bad set.

542
00:24:09.240 --> 00:24:16.980
Yeah, yeah. it's really good And again, like it, I, it's not, you

543
00:24:16.980 --> 00:24:20.339
know, you see those big shots of the enterprise set. very clear

544
00:24:20.339 --> 00:24:21.599
how everything's laid out.

545
00:24:21.660 --> 00:24:26.279
Even after watching the show for 30 years or more, I still don't

546
00:24:26.279 --> 00:24:29.700
have quite the sense of what that space, how that space works.

547
00:24:29.759 --> 00:24:30.839
Do you know what I mean?

548
00:24:30.900 --> 00:24:31.740
Like where everything is.

549
00:24:31.859 --> 00:24:34.380
It doesn't seem to be symmetrical, for instance.

550
00:24:34.440 --> 00:24:38.220
And I think they learn from this set when they do the Voyager set

551
00:24:38.220 --> 00:24:40.920
as well, which is just a bit not interesting.

552
00:24:40.980 --> 00:24:44.579
I'm going to cancel the Tom Paris salamander toy for Christmas and

553
00:24:44.579 --> 00:24:47.460
send you the Deep Space 9 technical manual instead, all right?

554
00:24:47.519 --> 00:24:49.019
So you can understand everything for next time.

555
00:24:49.440 --> 00:24:50.819
Okay.

556
00:24:50.880 --> 00:24:52.200
Do we use the lift in this one?

557
00:24:52.259 --> 00:24:53.339
I hope so.

558
00:24:53.400 --> 00:24:54.599
Chuddering lift.

559
00:24:54.660 --> 00:24:56.460
Oh, here she is.

560
00:24:56.519 --> 00:24:58.259
You're being terrible hair.

561
00:24:58.619 --> 00:25:01.799
A terrible, terrible ladyhead.

562
00:25:01.859 --> 00:25:03.900
When she says Godforsaken place.

563
00:25:03.960 --> 00:25:06.660
She sort of runs her hands for her hair, doesn't she?

564
00:25:06.720 --> 00:25:08.579
Looking very haggard.

565
00:25:08.640 --> 00:25:12.059
What I really like, though, is she finds a way, the 1st way of

566
00:25:12.059 --> 00:25:15.900
hanging up, of slamming the phone down in Star Trek.

567
00:25:15.900 --> 00:25:17.339
Because what are you supposed to do?

568
00:25:17.400 --> 00:25:19.559
You're supposed to sort of tap yourself on the shoulder and stuff

569
00:25:19.559 --> 00:25:20.880
and that's how you hang up a call.

570
00:25:20.940 --> 00:25:23.759
So she actually smashes her hand on the desk in order to hang up

571
00:25:23.759 --> 00:25:24.900
on him, which is just perfect.

572
00:25:24.960 --> 00:25:28.079
It's this line where she says, because I have a bad habit of

573
00:25:28.079 --> 00:25:30.420
telling people the truth, even when they don't want to hear it, and

574
00:25:30.420 --> 00:25:31.559
you kind of think, oh, come on.

575
00:25:31.619 --> 00:25:32.519
We just not.

576
00:25:32.519 --> 00:25:32.940
Come on out.

577
00:25:33.000 --> 00:25:35.460
We get to progress and duet by the end of the season.

578
00:25:35.519 --> 00:25:37.380
They find her very...

579
00:25:37.440 --> 00:25:37.980
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

580
00:25:38.099 --> 00:25:44.700
But, you know, like we can tell. like we don't need we don't need

581
00:25:44.700 --> 00:25:45.599
her to say that.

582
00:25:45.660 --> 00:25:48.839
In fact, it makes her a slightly annoying person to say that.

583
00:25:48.900 --> 00:25:50.400
But she is really good.

584
00:25:50.460 --> 00:25:56.220
And what I like about this too is that every not put off by her

585
00:25:56.220 --> 00:25:58.500
and in fact slightly amused by her.

586
00:25:58.559 --> 00:25:59.819
Do you know why that is?

587
00:25:59.940 --> 00:26:00.599
No.

588
00:26:00.660 --> 00:26:02.460
These scenes were reshaw.

589
00:26:02.519 --> 00:26:04.799
So there's 2 scenes.

590
00:26:04.859 --> 00:26:06.299
Their early scenes.

591
00:26:06.359 --> 00:26:09.900
So this was an early seen shot where he played this, giving her

592
00:26:09.900 --> 00:26:10.859
the aggression back.

593
00:26:10.920 --> 00:26:15.240
And they looked at the rushes and went, no, lighting it up.

594
00:26:15.299 --> 00:26:19.019
You're supposed to be coming in, a charming man. and look at him.

595
00:26:19.079 --> 00:26:21.000
He's got a, he's taken the note.

596
00:26:21.059 --> 00:26:22.559
He's got a big rye grin on his face.

597
00:26:22.619 --> 00:26:24.119
Yeah, I really like it.

598
00:26:24.180 --> 00:26:25.619
I really like it a lot.

599
00:26:25.680 --> 00:26:29.099
I think there's, there are one or 2 scenes, 2 scenes that I think

600
00:26:29.099 --> 00:26:31.140
are odd, and I will talk about them later.

601
00:26:31.200 --> 00:26:34.920
There's one kind of little subplot here, which I find the beats of

602
00:26:34.920 --> 00:26:38.400
it are odd, and I don't quite know why it's happening that way.

603
00:26:38.460 --> 00:26:39.839
But I do like that.

604
00:26:39.900 --> 00:26:42.480
And even there where he raises eyebrows and goes, yeah.

605
00:26:42.539 --> 00:26:43.740
I think I'll follow her, you know.

606
00:26:44.279 --> 00:26:46.619
Is the other one the one?

607
00:26:46.619 --> 00:26:47.460
Oh, here's Nog.

608
00:26:47.519 --> 00:26:48.480
Yeah, there's Nog.

609
00:26:48.539 --> 00:26:50.160
Is the other one, the scene with Jakar?

610
00:26:50.220 --> 00:26:52.440
What's the other one that they really shoot, do you know?

611
00:26:52.500 --> 00:26:54.180
It's on memory alpha.

612
00:26:54.240 --> 00:26:55.980
They do list both the scenes, yeah.

613
00:26:56.039 --> 00:26:59.819
It's not like reshooting in caretaker, you know, where it's a

614
00:26:59.819 --> 00:27:00.720
different lead actress.

615
00:27:00.779 --> 00:27:03.599
It's just the same actor, giving a different performance.

616
00:27:03.660 --> 00:27:08.220
Who's this fellow that Noggs hanging out with doing his feeding?

617
00:27:08.279 --> 00:27:11.400
I think it's a makeup that we see quite a bit over the next 7

618
00:27:11.400 --> 00:27:12.059
years.

619
00:27:12.119 --> 00:27:15.660
I think he might be a euridion, you know. all got teeth coming out

620
00:27:15.660 --> 00:27:16.079
of his face.

621
00:27:16.140 --> 00:27:18.299
Oh, maybe, but the, yeah, maybe he is.

622
00:27:18.420 --> 00:27:22.920
The Uridians are the guys in, oh, what is it, in birthright, isn't

623
00:27:22.920 --> 00:27:23.099
it?

624
00:27:24.299 --> 00:27:26.220
Yes, of course it is.

625
00:27:26.279 --> 00:27:27.059
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

626
00:27:27.119 --> 00:27:28.200
Oh, dear, look.

627
00:27:28.259 --> 00:27:30.119
This is the 1st Odo morph effect.

628
00:27:30.180 --> 00:27:31.740
Now, that hasn't dated so well.

629
00:27:32.700 --> 00:27:35.160
But it was very cool at the time.

630
00:27:35.220 --> 00:27:38.160
I was like, 0 my god, that man's a shapeshifter.

631
00:27:38.220 --> 00:27:39.059
It can be anything he wants.

632
00:27:39.119 --> 00:27:40.500
Yeah, yeah.

633
00:27:40.559 --> 00:27:43.200
I mean, it's a great idea for kids. don't you think?

634
00:27:43.259 --> 00:27:46.440
Like, having a shapeshifter as part of the regular crew.

635
00:27:46.500 --> 00:27:52.140
Look, I'm sure it worked a treat in Space 9, 1999 series 2.

636
00:27:53.819 --> 00:27:57.180
They've taken all their tips from Freiburger here.

637
00:27:57.960 --> 00:28:00.059
Can I say too?

638
00:28:00.119 --> 00:28:04.619
So this is Renee and Armond for the 1st time in a pretty great

639
00:28:04.619 --> 00:28:05.819
scene, I think.

640
00:28:05.880 --> 00:28:08.160
And I think Renee is really good.

641
00:28:08.220 --> 00:28:12.359
And I think his makeup is best.

642
00:28:12.720 --> 00:28:13.799
You've said this before.

643
00:28:13.859 --> 00:28:17.220
Well, because he looks more like a person, doesn't he?

644
00:28:17.279 --> 00:28:18.960
Less like a slab of latex.

645
00:28:19.019 --> 00:28:19.980
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

646
00:28:20.039 --> 00:28:20.460
Yeah.

647
00:28:20.519 --> 00:28:21.000
Yeah.

648
00:28:21.119 --> 00:28:23.640
But it just it all looks older though, doesn't it?

649
00:28:23.700 --> 00:28:26.099
Because you can see sort of the wrinkles in his face.

650
00:28:26.160 --> 00:28:27.240
But that's okay.

651
00:28:27.299 --> 00:28:30.119
I think that works for him as a character and because he is

652
00:28:30.119 --> 00:28:30.420
older.

653
00:28:30.480 --> 00:28:33.420
I mean, he is older than the rest of the regular cast, isn't he

654
00:28:33.420 --> 00:28:33.960
Renee?

655
00:28:34.019 --> 00:28:35.279
Like he's significantly older.

656
00:28:35.339 --> 00:28:39.539
He's certainly one of the most experienced actors. and that's very

657
00:28:39.539 --> 00:28:39.960
visible.

658
00:28:40.019 --> 00:28:43.440
Oh, Nathan, this scene in a minute when they go into the security

659
00:28:43.440 --> 00:28:44.220
office.

660
00:28:44.279 --> 00:28:45.240
I love it.

661
00:28:45.299 --> 00:28:47.579
What's the singer at the end?

662
00:28:47.640 --> 00:28:49.019
Odo goes, do you know what?

663
00:28:49.079 --> 00:28:51.119
I didn't think I was going to like him.

664
00:28:51.599 --> 00:28:53.160
So great.

665
00:28:53.220 --> 00:28:54.359
And he says it.

666
00:28:54.420 --> 00:28:59.099
What he does is he says it to torment Quark.

667
00:28:59.160 --> 00:28:59.759
It's just there.

668
00:28:59.819 --> 00:29:00.839
They got it, haven't they?

669
00:29:00.900 --> 00:29:01.920
Yeah, it's so good.

670
00:29:01.980 --> 00:29:02.940
They're like, right.

671
00:29:03.000 --> 00:29:05.940
This is our Spocken McCoy of Big Space nine.

672
00:29:06.000 --> 00:29:07.019
That's exactly it.

673
00:29:07.079 --> 00:29:08.460
It wasn't just a funny line.

674
00:29:08.519 --> 00:29:11.819
It was a funny line that was doing something in the scene and

675
00:29:11.819 --> 00:29:14.099
revealing the character. thought it was so good.

676
00:29:14.160 --> 00:29:15.839
Oh, do you know what?

677
00:29:15.900 --> 00:29:18.900
I need to talk about these transitions to the enterprise, right?

678
00:29:18.960 --> 00:29:20.880
Because later on, I'll forget it when it happens.

679
00:29:20.940 --> 00:29:24.539
There's a wonderful moment where the enterprise zooms off and

680
00:29:24.539 --> 00:29:25.980
everyone said their goodbyes, yeah?

681
00:29:26.039 --> 00:29:30.000
And then it's sort of like, da, da, da, da. all very jolly and

682
00:29:30.000 --> 00:29:30.779
enterprisy.

683
00:29:30.839 --> 00:29:34.500
And then it cuts to ops and it's really dark and the music and

684
00:29:34.500 --> 00:29:38.039
it's almost making a deliberate tonal shift from one to the

685
00:29:38.039 --> 00:29:38.220
other.

686
00:29:38.279 --> 00:29:41.039
So what I think is odd here.

687
00:29:41.099 --> 00:29:42.660
I think there are other things too.

688
00:29:42.720 --> 00:29:45.839
When Picard leaves for the episode for the 1st time.

689
00:29:45.900 --> 00:29:51.900
I think he's very definitely handing over. to Avery, like

690
00:29:51.900 --> 00:29:53.880
absolutely, and we'll talk about that.

691
00:29:53.940 --> 00:29:57.720
But I don't understand the dynamics of these 2 scenes.

692
00:29:57.779 --> 00:30:02.339
So there's a 2 scenes between Picard and Cisco.

693
00:30:02.400 --> 00:30:08.819
And in this scene, Cisco is angry at Picard, and Picard is

694
00:30:08.819 --> 00:30:09.960
slightly on the back foot.

695
00:30:10.019 --> 00:30:16.259
Yeah, because he was locutous and he can't deny it and he's also

696
00:30:16.259 --> 00:30:19.980
aware of what happened to him and we're aware of that as Star Trek

697
00:30:19.980 --> 00:30:20.700
fans as well.

698
00:30:20.759 --> 00:30:21.839
And he's...

699
00:30:21.839 --> 00:30:23.039
It felt like he was complicit.

700
00:30:23.099 --> 00:30:24.180
They would have picked someone.

701
00:30:24.240 --> 00:30:25.380
No, no, that's right.

702
00:30:25.440 --> 00:30:29.099
But, I mean, that, you know, it still makes sense. you know we saw

703
00:30:29.099 --> 00:30:29.759
what he went through.

704
00:30:29.819 --> 00:30:35.819
Um, and he's really angry and stony faced and, and, and Pecan

705
00:30:35.819 --> 00:30:38.759
tries to get through to him, but doesn't really, and then

706
00:30:38.759 --> 00:30:40.980
eventually he just responds with aggression.

707
00:30:41.039 --> 00:30:41.880
Do you know what I mean?

708
00:30:41.880 --> 00:30:43.740
and says, I'm going to do my job.

709
00:30:43.799 --> 00:30:44.759
In the meantime.

710
00:30:44.819 --> 00:30:46.019
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

711
00:30:46.079 --> 00:30:46.500
Yeah.

712
00:30:46.559 --> 00:30:49.380
And like, I just, like, what is that?

713
00:30:49.440 --> 00:30:50.759
I don't know what that is.

714
00:30:50.819 --> 00:30:55.140
It doesn't enamour us to Cisco because we like, we like the card.

715
00:30:55.259 --> 00:30:58.200
So and we've done a bit of work to make Cisco charming.

716
00:30:58.259 --> 00:31:00.720
So why are we now making him a cunt?

717
00:31:00.779 --> 00:31:01.980
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

718
00:31:02.039 --> 00:31:04.920
And then at the end, obviously he's been through a thing.

719
00:31:04.980 --> 00:31:09.839
And so when we see the scene at the end, he's learning to move on

720
00:31:09.839 --> 00:31:13.799
from, you know, the Saratoga and from Jennifer and so on.

721
00:31:13.920 --> 00:31:17.940
And so he's no longer angry, but now he's on the back foot.

722
00:31:18.000 --> 00:31:19.200
Do you know what I mean?

723
00:31:19.259 --> 00:31:20.039
And Picants as well.

724
00:31:20.099 --> 00:31:23.160
I don't know if I can ignore. your request to leave and all of

725
00:31:23.160 --> 00:31:23.819
that sort of thing.

726
00:31:23.880 --> 00:31:26.700
And I kind of, what is, why are we we doing this?

727
00:31:26.759 --> 00:31:28.859
I think he should have just been more amiable.

728
00:31:28.920 --> 00:31:31.859
Well, I don't know why they're circling around each other and what

729
00:31:31.859 --> 00:31:33.900
the purpose of the hostility is, really.

730
00:31:33.960 --> 00:31:34.920
Do you know what I mean?

731
00:31:34.980 --> 00:31:36.180
Like, it just seems awkward.

732
00:31:36.240 --> 00:31:37.920
I kind of get it here.

733
00:31:37.980 --> 00:31:41.220
I just feel like at the end, it should have just been a more

734
00:31:41.220 --> 00:31:42.599
interesting to watch.

735
00:31:42.660 --> 00:31:43.200
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

736
00:31:43.200 --> 00:31:45.240
It seems like the count in that same room.

737
00:31:45.299 --> 00:31:45.660
Yeah, yeah.

738
00:31:45.720 --> 00:31:47.099
I'm not quite sure why he does that.

739
00:31:47.160 --> 00:31:49.440
You know, like I'm not quite sure why he does that.

740
00:31:49.500 --> 00:31:53.400
I mean, you're showing a healed Cisco between these 2 scenes, but

741
00:31:53.400 --> 00:31:55.799
I don't know quite what's going on with Pecan.

742
00:31:55.859 --> 00:31:57.660
It's almost like Picard's been slighted.

743
00:31:57.720 --> 00:32:00.299
So now the power shifted in his hands.

744
00:32:00.359 --> 00:32:04.079
It just seems like why are these 2 men getting their dicks out?

745
00:32:04.140 --> 00:32:04.859
Do you know what I mean?

746
00:32:04.920 --> 00:32:08.160
Like, it just seems, you know, I think they're pushing the

747
00:32:08.160 --> 00:32:10.259
conflict a bit too far.

748
00:32:10.319 --> 00:32:12.599
They would learn to be more subtle this stuff.

749
00:32:12.720 --> 00:32:14.579
Oh God, here's this scene.

750
00:32:14.640 --> 00:32:18.180
I just love it I want to, we're rebuilding.

751
00:32:18.240 --> 00:32:22.019
We need a community leader, and it's gonna be you, Quok.

752
00:32:22.079 --> 00:32:23.579
He's so excited.

753
00:32:23.640 --> 00:32:24.299
It's really fun.

754
00:32:24.599 --> 00:32:27.599
The other thing that I thought was really good was talking about

755
00:32:27.599 --> 00:32:31.619
the great Ferengi tradition of plea bargaining, which I think is

756
00:32:31.619 --> 00:32:32.160
really great.

757
00:32:32.220 --> 00:32:35.460
He doesn't say the 21st century American tradition of plea

758
00:32:35.460 --> 00:32:36.059
bargaining.

759
00:32:36.119 --> 00:32:39.180
He locates that as a Ferengi thing, and that's a great tradition

760
00:32:39.180 --> 00:32:46.440
of of 20th century American culture and customs being located in

761
00:32:46.440 --> 00:32:50.880
the Ferengi, the Ferengi, when they're introduced like hyper

762
00:32:50.880 --> 00:32:54.539
capitalists from earlier than the 20th and 21st century, but

763
00:32:54.539 --> 00:32:57.660
gradually they become known as sort of capitalists and staff.

764
00:32:57.720 --> 00:33:02.759
And the way this show transcends that, embraces and then

765
00:33:02.759 --> 00:33:04.559
transcends it, I think, is pretty amazing.

766
00:33:04.619 --> 00:33:09.900
You know what makes this scene so satisfying is he does what he's

767
00:33:09.900 --> 00:33:10.619
talking about here.

768
00:33:10.680 --> 00:33:12.480
He does rebuild the station.

769
00:33:12.539 --> 00:33:15.900
He does make it an effective place in the galaxy.

770
00:33:15.960 --> 00:33:18.059
You know, like by the end of the station, it's a really important

771
00:33:18.059 --> 00:33:18.660
place.

772
00:33:18.900 --> 00:33:21.299
And he made good choices here.

773
00:33:21.359 --> 00:33:22.799
It should have been Quork, right?

774
00:33:22.859 --> 00:33:26.460
As the community leader, despite the fact that he tries to swindle

775
00:33:26.460 --> 00:33:29.220
them every other week to comic effect.

776
00:33:29.339 --> 00:33:32.940
There's a few times where he crosses the line, actually, where I'm

777
00:33:32.940 --> 00:33:34.980
thinking, oh, would they have let him stay in that bar?

778
00:33:34.980 --> 00:33:36.960
No, he had a contract.

779
00:33:37.019 --> 00:33:41.700
Oh, this provisional government is far too provisional for my take

780
00:33:41.759 --> 00:33:42.660
isn't it?

781
00:33:42.720 --> 00:33:43.859
It's a really good one.

782
00:33:43.920 --> 00:33:44.220
Yeah.

783
00:33:44.220 --> 00:33:46.859
And I don't think he's overplaying any of this.

784
00:33:46.920 --> 00:33:48.059
No.

785
00:33:49.680 --> 00:33:56.700
He does like the laugh and stuff when when Cisco goes, you Quark

786
00:33:56.700 --> 00:33:59.160
and then he does the big toothy laugh, and I kind of think, yeah

787
00:33:59.160 --> 00:34:00.420
last hour post, calm down.

788
00:34:00.480 --> 00:34:03.839
Poor boy, Nathan, who's got to spend the best years of his life in

789
00:34:03.839 --> 00:34:04.740
a Bajoran.

790
00:34:04.799 --> 00:34:07.259
I'm a father of myself is so...

791
00:34:07.319 --> 00:34:09.480
I know what he must be going through.

792
00:34:09.539 --> 00:34:13.320
But again, this is the opposite, you know, like, it's not Wesley.

793
00:34:13.380 --> 00:34:14.460
We're from Starfleet.

794
00:34:14.519 --> 00:34:15.119
We don't lie.

795
00:34:15.179 --> 00:34:16.559
Do you know what I mean?

796
00:34:16.619 --> 00:34:20.820
Like, he is slotting into the, he's slotting into the environment

797
00:34:20.820 --> 00:34:25.980
and, and manipulating it and, and, you know, operating in some

798
00:34:25.980 --> 00:34:27.480
degree on, and it's rules.

799
00:34:27.480 --> 00:34:29.340
I didn't think I was going to like it.

800
00:34:29.639 --> 00:34:33.480
That is such a fabulous line, isn't it?

801
00:34:33.539 --> 00:34:35.219
And it does it so sincerely.

802
00:34:35.280 --> 00:34:37.260
That almonds reaction?

803
00:34:37.320 --> 00:34:38.159
It's perfect as well.

804
00:34:38.219 --> 00:34:40.320
Like, almond's probably taken taken aback.

805
00:34:40.380 --> 00:34:41.639
Like it does sell it.

806
00:34:41.699 --> 00:34:46.619
Okay, I do prefer Kira now in sort of slightly less formal gear.

807
00:34:46.679 --> 00:34:49.619
Yeah, but this is where she takes a top off like she does in

808
00:34:49.619 --> 00:34:50.519
progress, remember?

809
00:34:50.579 --> 00:34:51.840
Yeah.

810
00:34:51.900 --> 00:34:55.320
Yeah. they sort of sorted her hair out a little bit there as

811
00:34:55.320 --> 00:34:55.559
well.

812
00:34:55.619 --> 00:34:57.059
It's not quiet, though.

813
00:34:57.119 --> 00:34:58.500
It's very bad.

814
00:34:58.619 --> 00:35:01.500
My favourite, your least favourite is my favourite.

815
00:35:01.559 --> 00:35:02.579
It's series 7.

816
00:35:02.639 --> 00:35:03.420
I love that hair.

817
00:35:03.480 --> 00:35:08.340
Yeah, I mean, I like hair as everything but this hair, basically, I

818
00:35:08.340 --> 00:35:12.179
think, is like the sort of aggressive lesbian hair that shouts for

819
00:35:12.179 --> 00:35:12.719
the rest of the show.

820
00:35:12.780 --> 00:35:16.019
That's what I always wanted. 80s lesbian.

821
00:35:16.079 --> 00:35:16.800
Fabulous book.

822
00:35:16.860 --> 00:35:17.940
She means business.

823
00:35:18.300 --> 00:35:19.739
Yeah.

824
00:35:19.800 --> 00:35:20.880
Well, they want a show, you see.

825
00:35:20.940 --> 00:35:22.679
They're getting her tits out because they want a show.

826
00:35:22.800 --> 00:35:24.659
She's not all, you know, she's still a woman.

827
00:35:24.719 --> 00:35:25.320
Yeah.

828
00:35:25.380 --> 00:35:28.260
But they don't fall, you know, like, and she does get to fall in

829
00:35:28.260 --> 00:35:29.400
love and all that sort of thing.

830
00:35:29.460 --> 00:35:32.099
They do all that sort of stuff, but that's not the super important

831
00:35:32.099 --> 00:35:32.519
thing.

832
00:35:32.579 --> 00:35:35.099
It's not like the other two.

833
00:35:35.159 --> 00:35:37.800
You know, that like Star Trek the Next Generation had such a bad

834
00:35:37.800 --> 00:35:39.780
history with its female lead.

835
00:35:39.840 --> 00:35:45.059
So you lose Denise, you know, we lose gates, we're kind of

836
00:35:45.059 --> 00:35:46.980
thinking of getting rid of Marina.

837
00:35:47.039 --> 00:35:48.480
Like no one's very happy with them.

838
00:35:48.539 --> 00:35:50.760
All these women about the clothes.

839
00:35:51.179 --> 00:35:54.719
And you only have 2 of them here, but they're both really great

840
00:35:54.719 --> 00:35:58.260
and they both become, you know, just absolute top tier

841
00:35:58.260 --> 00:35:58.619
characters.

842
00:35:58.679 --> 00:36:03.599
One of them or the other is usually central in every episode. you

843
00:36:03.599 --> 00:36:04.920
know, like they have big roles.

844
00:36:04.980 --> 00:36:06.300
It's a great.

845
00:36:06.420 --> 00:36:09.059
We just did the homecoming, and she just said, this government

846
00:36:09.059 --> 00:36:10.679
will be gone in a week, so will you.

847
00:36:10.739 --> 00:36:11.639
What happens then?

848
00:36:11.760 --> 00:36:15.119
civil war and that's exactly what happens at the end at the start

849
00:36:15.119 --> 00:36:15.659
of season two.

850
00:36:15.719 --> 00:36:20.340
Yeah, I was thinking that too, because a lot of this stuff is

851
00:36:20.340 --> 00:36:24.239
setting up stuff that the show doesn't really run with, right?

852
00:36:24.300 --> 00:36:29.280
And so they do do the provisional government thing. at the

853
00:36:29.280 --> 00:36:30.659
beginning of the next season.

854
00:36:30.719 --> 00:36:34.440
And we do eventually have the joining the Federation.

855
00:36:35.340 --> 00:36:39.360
But the religion stuff gets put on the backbone, doesn't it?

856
00:36:39.420 --> 00:36:40.440
Look, Nathan.

857
00:36:40.500 --> 00:36:40.800
I know.

858
00:36:40.800 --> 00:36:42.119
What's happened to Fajor?

859
00:36:42.179 --> 00:36:42.719
Oh good.

860
00:36:42.780 --> 00:36:44.639
There's rubble all about the place.

861
00:36:44.699 --> 00:36:46.440
Normally it looks so tranquil.

862
00:36:46.500 --> 00:36:48.059
Clean that up for future.

863
00:36:48.119 --> 00:36:50.039
They sort of added up.

864
00:36:50.099 --> 00:36:51.719
Oh, they're doing the zoom in, aren't they?

865
00:36:51.780 --> 00:36:54.420
Just suggest it's, oh, and there's a bird flying past.

866
00:36:54.480 --> 00:36:57.480
Oh, yeah, no, no, but also, you know, the 2 towers, as the camera

867
00:36:57.480 --> 00:37:00.179
moved along in the 2 towers moved in relation to each other.

868
00:37:00.239 --> 00:37:01.559
Like, that's three-dimensional.

869
00:37:01.619 --> 00:37:04.860
It's not the usual match shot, where, you know, it's even better

870
00:37:04.860 --> 00:37:06.300
than the one with Andra.

871
00:37:06.360 --> 00:37:07.079
Do you know what I mean?

872
00:37:07.139 --> 00:37:09.599
With the people running down the...

873
00:37:09.659 --> 00:37:12.239
It's even better than the one with Andre.

874
00:37:12.300 --> 00:37:12.780
It is great.

875
00:37:12.840 --> 00:37:14.639
Oh, where she is.

876
00:37:14.699 --> 00:37:16.500
Weeble, wobble, but that don't fall down.

877
00:37:16.559 --> 00:37:18.059
I love Kia Parker.

878
00:37:18.119 --> 00:37:19.380
She's great, isn't she?

879
00:37:20.940 --> 00:37:23.159
Oh, charming, isn't it?

880
00:37:23.219 --> 00:37:24.300
It's such a charming performance.

881
00:37:24.360 --> 00:37:29.820
She's such a beautiful Italian woman as well. you know, like...

882
00:37:29.880 --> 00:37:31.980
Does she just want out straight away?

883
00:37:32.039 --> 00:37:32.940
don't actually know why.

884
00:37:33.000 --> 00:37:34.199
Yeah I don't know.

885
00:37:34.260 --> 00:37:36.059
Which just comes back for a session.

886
00:37:36.119 --> 00:37:37.739
Do you remember when he has the dream in a session?

887
00:37:37.800 --> 00:37:40.199
We saw with the Dejaras.

888
00:37:40.260 --> 00:37:41.880
She comes back from that episode.

889
00:37:41.940 --> 00:37:42.659
She is in that.

890
00:37:42.719 --> 00:37:43.199
That's it.

891
00:37:43.260 --> 00:37:44.280
After battle line.

892
00:37:44.340 --> 00:37:47.699
She does this, then battle lines, then accession. just that sort

893
00:37:47.699 --> 00:37:48.539
of cameo, yeah.

894
00:37:48.599 --> 00:37:53.579
But, but, like all of this stuff kind of gets dropped in a way, you

895
00:37:53.579 --> 00:37:57.719
have Kai Wynn, who is obviously a superb character and, you know

896
00:37:57.719 --> 00:38:01.199
like an incredible performance and absolutely brilliant, and

897
00:38:01.199 --> 00:38:05.280
explores religion allows them to explore sides of religion that

898
00:38:05.280 --> 00:38:09.360
are particularly important in American context, i.e. horrible

899
00:38:09.360 --> 00:38:13.260
horrible religious leaders, with wicked political agendas.

900
00:38:13.320 --> 00:38:16.800
They had amazing foresight into the future, wasn't it?

901
00:38:16.860 --> 00:38:19.440
Yeah, yeah, no, they had them already.

902
00:38:20.280 --> 00:38:24.719
Oh my god, look at that monk just picking up rocks from the side.

903
00:38:24.780 --> 00:38:26.340
We're rebuilding too, you know.

904
00:38:26.880 --> 00:38:31.559
But, um, say again, he does that little sort of, hmm, I wonder

905
00:38:31.559 --> 00:38:32.159
what I'll do.

906
00:38:32.219 --> 00:38:36.539
He does a little sort of eyebrows that sort of arched eyebrows.

907
00:38:36.599 --> 00:38:37.980
Okay, I'm going along with this.

908
00:38:38.039 --> 00:38:40.320
Because I love how he's uncomfortable.

909
00:38:40.380 --> 00:38:44.340
He's initially uncomfortable with Camille touching his ear with

910
00:38:44.340 --> 00:38:45.780
Kaya Parker touching his ear.

911
00:38:45.840 --> 00:38:51.300
And then he realises it would be impolite to, you know, make her

912
00:38:51.300 --> 00:38:55.079
take her hand away, but he's still awkward and uncomfortable about

913
00:38:55.079 --> 00:38:55.260
it.

914
00:38:55.320 --> 00:38:56.639
I don't know.

915
00:38:56.699 --> 00:38:57.840
So this, Nathan.

916
00:38:57.900 --> 00:39:00.719
Every time they feel a set with candles.

917
00:39:00.780 --> 00:39:03.480
I'm like, why don't you light like this all the time?

918
00:39:03.719 --> 00:39:06.840
Because this is just stock case set 72?

919
00:39:06.900 --> 00:39:08.340
Start number one, yeah.

920
00:39:08.400 --> 00:39:14.579
So, so I think that also the scene here where she divines what's

921
00:39:14.579 --> 00:39:20.159
wrong with him, in some degree, she says, I can't give you what

922
00:39:20.159 --> 00:39:22.800
you can't give yourself.

923
00:39:22.860 --> 00:39:25.500
Solutions come from within.

924
00:39:25.559 --> 00:39:32.159
And then there's the scene later where the prophet as her says

925
00:39:32.159 --> 00:39:33.300
exactly the same thing.

926
00:39:33.360 --> 00:39:36.480
Look for solutions from within commander.

927
00:39:36.539 --> 00:39:38.340
And that's what she does.

928
00:39:38.400 --> 00:39:39.480
Do you know what I mean?

929
00:39:39.599 --> 00:39:40.619
That is what he does.

930
00:39:40.679 --> 00:39:44.760
But it just goes to show how in tune with the prophets she is.

931
00:39:44.880 --> 00:39:48.900
You know, her profit character says the same thing that she does.

932
00:39:48.960 --> 00:39:50.099
It's so well done.

933
00:39:50.159 --> 00:39:54.179
I think if Pucker, it stuck around, you know, we would have joined

934
00:39:54.179 --> 00:39:57.480
Bajor would have joined the Federation by the end of Series 7, but

935
00:39:57.480 --> 00:40:00.840
Kai Wynn always had a mucky fingers in all the politics, didn't

936
00:40:00.840 --> 00:40:01.079
she?

937
00:40:01.139 --> 00:40:01.679
So good.

938
00:40:01.920 --> 00:40:04.019
Look, we're outside on the beach.

939
00:40:04.079 --> 00:40:04.920
I know.

940
00:40:04.980 --> 00:40:06.840
And it's a meat cute as well.

941
00:40:06.900 --> 00:40:09.599
How beautiful does Avery looks like?

942
00:40:09.659 --> 00:40:11.400
I saw his arms a minute ago.

943
00:40:11.460 --> 00:40:13.380
Oh, actually, and Jennifer.

944
00:40:13.500 --> 00:40:15.840
That smile of his too.

945
00:40:15.900 --> 00:40:17.099
He does it with Jake.

946
00:40:17.159 --> 00:40:20.699
There's the most broad smile at the end when he sees Jake after he

947
00:40:20.699 --> 00:40:22.980
gets back to the station.

948
00:40:23.099 --> 00:40:24.300
But the smiling here.

949
00:40:24.420 --> 00:40:28.139
Um, you know, like on 2 levels as well, doesn't it?

950
00:40:28.199 --> 00:40:33.539
The fact that this is introducing the profits, but also it's

951
00:40:33.539 --> 00:40:35.039
exploring his backstory, right?

952
00:40:35.099 --> 00:40:37.380
And adding weight to death at the start.

953
00:40:37.440 --> 00:40:38.820
So clever.

954
00:40:38.880 --> 00:40:41.940
We get to see through these orb visions we get to see how their

955
00:40:41.940 --> 00:40:43.019
relationship goes.

956
00:40:43.079 --> 00:40:46.440
So we see the day of the proposal.

957
00:40:46.500 --> 00:40:48.179
We see they're meeting for the 1st time.

958
00:40:48.239 --> 00:40:49.980
We see the day that he proposes.

959
00:40:50.039 --> 00:40:54.300
We see Jake being born very briefly, I think.

960
00:40:55.079 --> 00:40:59.460
And because we'd only seen Jennifer dead.

961
00:40:59.519 --> 00:41:01.559
Like we had only seen her dead.

962
00:41:01.619 --> 00:41:04.380
Yeah, we didn't, you know, there was no scene of him leaving in

963
00:41:04.380 --> 00:41:05.460
the morning or anything like that.

964
00:41:05.519 --> 00:41:07.980
Now we see just why he fell for it.

965
00:41:08.039 --> 00:41:09.000
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

966
00:41:09.360 --> 00:41:13.440
Oh, I love seeing this amount of flesh on display. very unusual

967
00:41:13.440 --> 00:41:14.099
for Star Trek.

968
00:41:14.159 --> 00:41:15.900
She's a great location.

969
00:41:15.960 --> 00:41:16.739
Isn't it?

970
00:41:16.800 --> 00:41:19.679
We don't see beaches enough in Star Trek, do we?

971
00:41:19.739 --> 00:41:20.159
No.

972
00:41:20.159 --> 00:41:20.820
No.

973
00:41:20.880 --> 00:41:23.760
Given we're in fucking America, for God's sake.

974
00:41:23.820 --> 00:41:27.239
Is this the beach where Janet's button is located in the good

975
00:41:27.239 --> 00:41:27.599
place?

976
00:41:27.659 --> 00:41:29.880
I kind of like to think it is. very possible.

977
00:41:29.940 --> 00:41:30.960
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

978
00:41:31.019 --> 00:41:34.500
I think Voyager goes to the beach twice, doesn't it?

979
00:41:34.559 --> 00:41:38.639
In Futures End, and then there's a season 7 episode with Berkeley

980
00:41:38.639 --> 00:41:43.079
where him and Marina are hanging out on the beach, loads of cream

981
00:41:43.079 --> 00:41:43.920
on their nose.

982
00:41:46.800 --> 00:41:49.079
A junior officer.

983
00:41:49.139 --> 00:41:50.039
Man.

984
00:41:50.099 --> 00:41:52.500
And then he kind of realises, yeah, I was a junior opposite

985
00:41:52.500 --> 00:41:55.860
because what they had 15 years together, he does say in dialogue

986
00:41:55.860 --> 00:41:57.420
like Jake's 13 or something.

987
00:41:57.480 --> 00:41:59.880
So they have 15 years of marriage.

988
00:41:59.940 --> 00:42:02.159
I don't know how old he is at this point.

989
00:42:02.219 --> 00:42:04.860
I think he's sort of late 30s, mid to late 30s, is that right?

990
00:42:04.980 --> 00:42:07.559
So, are you worrying about the dialogue right now?

991
00:42:07.619 --> 00:42:10.139
Did you see how much Avery Brooks was packing in those trunks?

992
00:42:10.260 --> 00:42:10.800
I did.

993
00:42:10.860 --> 00:42:12.840
I was wondering if you were going to mention it.

994
00:42:15.780 --> 00:42:18.719
It's got nothing to be ashamed of.

995
00:42:18.840 --> 00:42:21.119
And he's got smile.

996
00:42:21.659 --> 00:42:22.619
Oh, my God.

997
00:42:22.800 --> 00:42:26.880
Yeah, see, my father was a gourmet chef, so he is dead.

998
00:42:27.059 --> 00:42:29.280
No machine stew.

999
00:42:29.340 --> 00:42:31.380
It must be fantastic, you know, well, seems to love it.

1000
00:42:31.920 --> 00:42:36.179
Look how charmed she is by him, even though he's being a weirdo.

1001
00:42:36.239 --> 00:42:39.119
He's being a flash weirdo. to say yes.

1002
00:42:39.599 --> 00:42:42.239
Oh, probably be sorry.

1003
00:42:42.300 --> 00:42:43.559
And then that.

1004
00:42:43.619 --> 00:42:46.199
Oh, that's a terribly sad line, isn't it?

1005
00:42:46.260 --> 00:42:47.159
I'll probably be sorry.

1006
00:42:47.219 --> 00:42:48.900
Don't you think?

1007
00:42:48.960 --> 00:42:51.000
Oh, and then he gets her snatched away.

1008
00:42:51.119 --> 00:42:55.139
They meet you and then she's snatched away by the prophet.

1009
00:42:55.199 --> 00:42:57.659
I love the metaphor as well, Tear of the Prophet.

1010
00:42:57.719 --> 00:42:59.820
I mean, that's a great, great line.

1011
00:43:00.480 --> 00:43:04.139
Oh, now this is Exposition City now, is it?

1012
00:43:04.199 --> 00:43:05.039
Nine orbs?

1013
00:43:05.099 --> 00:43:05.639
like this one.

1014
00:43:05.880 --> 00:43:10.260
But it is also, there's something slightly weird about setting up

1015
00:43:10.260 --> 00:43:13.980
this mystical thing. which is not really where we go.

1016
00:43:14.039 --> 00:43:19.559
Um, you know, it's, it's, it's, Strangely Worlds did it a little

1017
00:43:19.559 --> 00:43:23.579
bit in its most recent season where, you know, there were mythical

1018
00:43:23.579 --> 00:43:28.139
things from the dawn of time and and things to chase and a sort of

1019
00:43:28.139 --> 00:43:33.599
sort of Indiana Jones sort of style, you know, caper of some

1020
00:43:33.599 --> 00:43:33.900
sort.

1021
00:43:34.019 --> 00:43:34.739
Do you know what I mean?

1022
00:43:34.800 --> 00:43:37.320
Like an adventure where you have to find an ancient object or

1023
00:43:37.320 --> 00:43:37.679
whatever.

1024
00:43:37.739 --> 00:43:39.840
And so that looks like where we're going here.

1025
00:43:39.900 --> 00:43:42.900
And it isn't where we go, is it?

1026
00:43:42.960 --> 00:43:46.019
The orbs disappear from the show a bit.

1027
00:43:46.079 --> 00:43:50.460
Yeah, well, that sort of turn up every time we want a time travel

1028
00:43:50.460 --> 00:43:51.360
and things like that.

1029
00:43:51.420 --> 00:43:54.840
You know, they're very useful plot devices every now and again.

1030
00:43:54.900 --> 00:43:59.099
But what I love, though, is we get our space mystery now, don't

1031
00:43:59.099 --> 00:43:59.280
we?

1032
00:43:59.340 --> 00:44:02.760
We're looking for the celestial temple and obviously we do it TNG

1033
00:44:02.760 --> 00:44:06.059
style with a ton of techno babble in a minute when Dax comes in to

1034
00:44:06.059 --> 00:44:08.219
sort of find the area that it's at.

1035
00:44:08.280 --> 00:44:12.420
And even then you think, okay, that's going to be the big sort of

1036
00:44:12.420 --> 00:44:17.159
idea for this episode, but no, we moved the station too, and it

1037
00:44:17.159 --> 00:44:18.539
becomes a mainstay of the show.

1038
00:44:18.599 --> 00:44:21.239
So, and it is a bit of a cheat.

1039
00:44:21.300 --> 00:44:21.840
Do you know what I mean?

1040
00:44:21.900 --> 00:44:24.300
It's kind of like, well, we can't go anywhere, but we'll have a

1041
00:44:24.300 --> 00:44:26.940
thing that brings everything to us so we don't have to go

1042
00:44:26.940 --> 00:44:27.539
anywhere.

1043
00:44:27.599 --> 00:44:30.059
And it is a story generating idea.

1044
00:44:30.119 --> 00:44:33.719
But what they do, of course, is they turn it into a thing that

1045
00:44:33.719 --> 00:44:37.920
actually affects the overall plot and introduces the gamma

1046
00:44:37.920 --> 00:44:40.380
quadrant and exposes us to the dominion.

1047
00:44:40.440 --> 00:44:44.219
When Avery was talking about taking on the par.

1048
00:44:44.280 --> 00:44:48.420
One of the things he says in those early interviews is it's so

1049
00:44:48.420 --> 00:44:48.960
exciting.

1050
00:44:49.019 --> 00:44:52.320
The storytelling possibilities, you know, we're there by this

1051
00:44:52.320 --> 00:44:56.880
gateway to space where all of the crazy dramatic things can come

1052
00:44:56.880 --> 00:44:57.420
to us.

1053
00:44:57.480 --> 00:44:59.880
And I'm like, actually yeah, that is a great idea.

1054
00:44:59.940 --> 00:45:00.780
Yeah.

1055
00:45:00.840 --> 00:45:03.780
Yeah, I mean, it is just the kind of reverse of Star Trek.

1056
00:45:03.900 --> 00:45:05.639
So it's to ensure that lots of things can happen.

1057
00:45:05.639 --> 00:45:08.219
And certainly that's how the show plays out for the 1st few

1058
00:45:08.219 --> 00:45:08.579
years.

1059
00:45:08.639 --> 00:45:12.000
But you have your cake and eat it because you get the

1060
00:45:12.000 --> 00:45:13.920
serialisation under consequences as well.

1061
00:45:14.039 --> 00:45:18.000
But, but also it becomes the thing that makes the Dominion, I

1062
00:45:18.000 --> 00:45:18.360
think.

1063
00:45:18.420 --> 00:45:19.679
Do you know what I mean?

1064
00:45:19.739 --> 00:45:21.420
And then that's what that's about.

1065
00:45:21.480 --> 00:45:24.420
It's no longer what crazy alien is going to come through.

1066
00:45:24.480 --> 00:45:25.860
Do you know what I mean?

1067
00:45:25.920 --> 00:45:28.920
Like and bring a board game with it this week.

1068
00:45:28.980 --> 00:45:32.579
It's it's...

1069
00:45:32.579 --> 00:45:35.760
You want to talk about strong female women?

1070
00:45:35.820 --> 00:45:37.199
The female shapeshifter.

1071
00:45:37.260 --> 00:45:38.940
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1072
00:45:39.000 --> 00:45:41.219
I want the Cardassians exterminated.

1073
00:45:41.280 --> 00:45:42.659
She says in the last episode.

1074
00:45:42.719 --> 00:45:45.239
Gosh, this one's got our breasts out here.

1075
00:45:45.300 --> 00:45:47.699
It's an awful lot happening in quarks here, isn't it?

1076
00:45:47.760 --> 00:45:48.599
There's lots going on.

1077
00:45:48.659 --> 00:45:52.500
It's not the lighting they land on because it's very sort of misty

1078
00:45:52.500 --> 00:45:53.699
and dark.

1079
00:45:53.820 --> 00:45:55.980
Because there's smoke and all of that sort of thing.

1080
00:45:56.039 --> 00:46:00.780
I mean, generally the station, you know, goes towards less gritty

1081
00:46:00.780 --> 00:46:04.139
more Star Trek lighting, a little bit clearer, more key light.

1082
00:46:04.199 --> 00:46:04.860
Do you know what I mean?

1083
00:46:04.920 --> 00:46:08.039
Like just all a little bit slightly less interesting, I think.

1084
00:46:08.099 --> 00:46:12.239
But it's, you know, I love the drawing, such a wonderfully

1085
00:46:12.239 --> 00:46:15.239
spiritual people, but they make a dreadful ale.

1086
00:46:15.300 --> 00:46:20.039
Never trust an ale from a god-fearing beach. so good.

1087
00:46:20.099 --> 00:46:21.719
Such a great.

1088
00:46:21.719 --> 00:46:22.559
This is Michael Pillar.

1089
00:46:22.619 --> 00:46:24.119
Michael Pillar wrote this one.

1090
00:46:24.179 --> 00:46:26.159
What a gift he was to Star Trek.

1091
00:46:26.639 --> 00:46:28.139
So good.

1092
00:46:28.199 --> 00:46:29.639
It's so good.

1093
00:46:29.760 --> 00:46:33.780
They really are with the promenade and with Quarks and with Odo

1094
00:46:33.780 --> 00:46:34.559
Security Office.

1095
00:46:34.619 --> 00:46:37.260
That's where they're really going for the Space Western, isn't

1096
00:46:37.260 --> 00:46:37.380
it?

1097
00:46:37.500 --> 00:46:38.639
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

1098
00:46:38.699 --> 00:46:42.059
So here we have 2 new characters arriving.

1099
00:46:42.119 --> 00:46:44.940
Neither of them fully formed at this point.

1100
00:46:45.000 --> 00:46:45.960
No, no.

1101
00:46:46.019 --> 00:46:49.320
Although, Bashir is so naive in this, isn't it?

1102
00:46:49.739 --> 00:46:50.400
It really cute.

1103
00:46:50.460 --> 00:46:54.059
He does that English embarrassed guy comedy.

1104
00:46:54.179 --> 00:46:55.920
It's very Hugh Grant.

1105
00:46:55.980 --> 00:46:56.880
Yeah, yeah.

1106
00:46:56.940 --> 00:46:58.500
I think that's what I think that's what that is.

1107
00:46:58.559 --> 00:47:03.599
So he does the or maybe a drink. which I think is very cute.

1108
00:47:03.719 --> 00:47:05.039
That's really cute.

1109
00:47:05.099 --> 00:47:07.380
No, it is seen Rukira is the best.

1110
00:47:08.460 --> 00:47:11.880
You'll find them are pleasant, simple people.

1111
00:47:12.780 --> 00:47:17.039
My favourite thing is where she says, come on, come and talk to

1112
00:47:17.039 --> 00:47:19.980
time to be here, and he just goes, yes, sir.

1113
00:47:20.159 --> 00:47:23.039
That could be you, Gron, couldn't it?

1114
00:47:23.099 --> 00:47:26.400
It's kind of sexy and kind of adorable.

1115
00:47:26.460 --> 00:47:27.659
Like he's really into it.

1116
00:47:27.719 --> 00:47:28.619
You know as well.

1117
00:47:28.679 --> 00:47:29.400
Do you know, right?

1118
00:47:29.460 --> 00:47:33.659
I'm going to tell you, 2 actors that auditioned for Cisco and were

1119
00:47:33.659 --> 00:47:35.519
in the running. you ready for this?

1120
00:47:35.579 --> 00:47:37.320
Anthony Hidd.

1121
00:47:37.380 --> 00:47:40.320
I think I knew that. and Peter Capaldi.

1122
00:47:40.380 --> 00:47:43.739
I'll imagine that. unbelievable.

1123
00:47:43.800 --> 00:47:45.239
Imagine being Kapaldi.

1124
00:47:45.420 --> 00:47:48.599
They went for the right jobs, but they're both great actors.

1125
00:47:48.659 --> 00:47:49.559
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1126
00:47:49.619 --> 00:47:50.940
Yeah, I know, it's superb.

1127
00:47:51.000 --> 00:47:52.679
I'm a massive fan of Capoldia.

1128
00:47:52.739 --> 00:47:53.579
I just think he's incredible.

1129
00:47:53.639 --> 00:47:57.599
This scene you would never have on TNG in a 1000000 years.

1130
00:47:57.659 --> 00:48:00.599
That's because the aliens aren't allowed to be alien in TNG.

1131
00:48:00.659 --> 00:48:04.139
They were all behaving a sort of cute American style way.

1132
00:48:04.199 --> 00:48:04.500
Yeah.

1133
00:48:04.800 --> 00:48:09.599
Major, I had my choice of any job in the fleet, you prick.

1134
00:48:10.679 --> 00:48:14.940
Real frontier, isn't it?

1135
00:48:15.000 --> 00:48:15.659
It's so great.

1136
00:48:15.719 --> 00:48:18.719
I mean, I don't know why she didn't take her gun out and shoot his

1137
00:48:18.719 --> 00:48:18.960
foot.

1138
00:48:21.119 --> 00:48:24.300
But this is typical Star Trek.

1139
00:48:24.360 --> 00:48:26.940
This is Star Trek sort of federation stuff.

1140
00:48:27.000 --> 00:48:27.599
Do you know what I mean?

1141
00:48:27.659 --> 00:48:30.900
Like this is not an unusual way of expressing yourself and then

1142
00:48:30.900 --> 00:48:34.260
you have one of our regulars as an alien who's going to be

1143
00:48:34.260 --> 00:48:37.380
patronised by these federation.

1144
00:48:37.440 --> 00:48:38.880
TNG series one, isn't it?

1145
00:48:38.940 --> 00:48:39.420
Yeah, exactly.

1146
00:48:39.480 --> 00:48:42.659
And she just goes, this wilderness is my home.

1147
00:48:42.719 --> 00:48:43.559
Yeah, yeah.

1148
00:48:43.619 --> 00:48:45.420
And he goes, uh, uh, uh, uh.

1149
00:48:45.420 --> 00:48:49.500
Actually, maybe they should have done a bit more with that.

1150
00:48:49.559 --> 00:48:50.880
It would have been fun.

1151
00:48:50.940 --> 00:48:53.280
Instead, they just turn him into a sex pest for a season.

1152
00:48:53.340 --> 00:48:55.139
Yeah, yeah, that's no good.

1153
00:48:55.199 --> 00:48:56.340
I think that is no good.

1154
00:48:56.400 --> 00:48:59.460
Now this is the one scene where I chipped out a little bit.

1155
00:48:59.519 --> 00:49:01.980
There's a lot of techno babble in this scene.

1156
00:49:02.039 --> 00:49:07.199
So, yeah, so it is a little bit too much, isn't it?

1157
00:49:07.260 --> 00:49:12.000
Because we just heard him hearing that and now he's explaining it

1158
00:49:12.000 --> 00:49:12.420
to her.

1159
00:49:12.480 --> 00:49:15.719
We could have just come in at the end of that conversation, we

1160
00:49:15.719 --> 00:49:17.400
would have known what he was going to say.

1161
00:49:17.460 --> 00:49:19.199
I like this, though.

1162
00:49:19.260 --> 00:49:23.219
I was happy when I learned you'd accepted this assignment.

1163
00:49:23.280 --> 00:49:27.179
I've been worried about you, which again, you know, like, like it

1164
00:49:27.179 --> 00:49:29.820
really sells because that's the one thing we know about him

1165
00:49:29.820 --> 00:49:31.679
already is he's not okay.

1166
00:49:31.739 --> 00:49:35.639
Um, and having her concerned for him I think is really great.

1167
00:49:35.699 --> 00:49:37.380
I love this idea.

1168
00:49:37.440 --> 00:49:42.119
It's reaping rewards now, but it certainly will go on to reap

1169
00:49:42.119 --> 00:49:45.599
rewards of the idea of taking the trio, which was established in

1170
00:49:45.599 --> 00:49:50.219
TNG, and then having a previous host have a relationship with our

1171
00:49:50.219 --> 00:49:54.960
lead character, and he now has to get to know a new version of

1172
00:49:54.960 --> 00:49:57.719
that character that he falls in love with as much.

1173
00:49:57.780 --> 00:50:00.239
That's a really smart character choice I think.

1174
00:50:00.300 --> 00:50:04.320
I think too, it just makes her a little bit more, it does make her

1175
00:50:04.320 --> 00:50:05.280
a little bit more interesting.

1176
00:50:05.340 --> 00:50:09.480
It's the way that, you know, Picard and Crusher have a backstory

1177
00:50:09.480 --> 00:50:09.960
as well.

1178
00:50:10.019 --> 00:50:12.960
Oh, and I guess Deanna and Dump and Riker.

1179
00:50:13.019 --> 00:50:14.760
I mean, this is more interesting.

1180
00:50:14.820 --> 00:50:19.260
All the information we learn about Curzon is that he was a drunk

1181
00:50:19.260 --> 00:50:22.739
and a sex pest himself, you know, and a fine diplomat.

1182
00:50:22.800 --> 00:50:24.719
I'm not getting that from this man, are you?

1183
00:50:25.079 --> 00:50:27.179
Well, he's dead now.

1184
00:50:27.239 --> 00:50:30.000
Do you remember when Renee plays him in facets?

1185
00:50:30.059 --> 00:50:31.199
fabulous.

1186
00:50:32.699 --> 00:50:35.039
Give me a drink, you know?

1187
00:50:35.219 --> 00:50:41.099
But I I think it's I think giving him a young woman as a friend as

1188
00:50:41.099 --> 00:50:44.340
well, like giving and giving him a confidant, like giving him a

1189
00:50:44.340 --> 00:50:48.780
mentor, but, you know, making her a beautiful young woman, I think

1190
00:50:48.780 --> 00:50:50.039
you know, that's a brilliant choice.

1191
00:50:50.159 --> 00:50:51.780
But look where they get.

1192
00:50:51.840 --> 00:50:55.199
We just did trials and tribulations recently where she was

1193
00:50:55.199 --> 00:50:58.260
orgasming all over the past and he was going, Dax, come on, let's

1194
00:50:58.260 --> 00:50:58.440
go.

1195
00:50:58.559 --> 00:51:03.059
Well, I mean, it's great how because she's so beautiful.

1196
00:51:03.119 --> 00:51:05.039
Like she's stunningly beautiful.

1197
00:51:05.099 --> 00:51:09.599
And so making her just sexy and confident and, you know, she's

1198
00:51:09.599 --> 00:51:13.440
someone who's been a man and and so she's, you know, a little bit

1199
00:51:13.440 --> 00:51:16.800
more kind of sexually predatory and stuff. all wonderful.

1200
00:51:16.860 --> 00:51:17.940
I think she's terrific.

1201
00:51:18.000 --> 00:51:18.960
She's really.

1202
00:51:19.019 --> 00:51:22.440
Do you know the story of her breakdown during the making of the

1203
00:51:22.440 --> 00:51:22.860
pilot?

1204
00:51:22.920 --> 00:51:25.800
Yeah, so look, I mean, I say breakdown. quite strong.

1205
00:51:25.860 --> 00:51:29.880
But she broke down into tears because she just couldn't get her

1206
00:51:29.880 --> 00:51:31.500
head around all the Tetla babble.

1207
00:51:31.559 --> 00:51:34.139
She said it was like learning another language and she just

1208
00:51:34.139 --> 00:51:35.099
couldn't do it.

1209
00:51:35.159 --> 00:51:39.539
And she had so many scenes with Avery Brooks, who was given this

1210
00:51:39.539 --> 00:51:43.559
sort of performance with great gravity and she just felt like at

1211
00:51:43.559 --> 00:51:45.179
sea compared to him.

1212
00:51:45.239 --> 00:51:49.260
She breaks down into tears and pulls him to one side and she goes

1213
00:51:49.260 --> 00:51:51.179
you need to help me.

1214
00:51:51.239 --> 00:51:54.300
Like I'm really, I'm lost here.

1215
00:51:54.360 --> 00:51:58.559
And apparently he goes from being quite cold, which he can be on

1216
00:51:58.559 --> 00:52:04.079
set and a massive smile broke on his face and he said to her, what

1217
00:52:04.079 --> 00:52:04.920
do you need from me?

1218
00:52:04.980 --> 00:52:08.099
And from that point on, they were the best of friends.

1219
00:52:08.159 --> 00:52:11.340
I mean, he shut off the set during rejoined when he directed that

1220
00:52:11.340 --> 00:52:14.579
when she had the kiss with Lenara Khan.

1221
00:52:14.639 --> 00:52:15.840
Like, they were tight.

1222
00:52:15.900 --> 00:52:20.519
But I like the fact that she was happy to be vulnerable and then

1223
00:52:20.519 --> 00:52:22.920
oh, hang on, I'm talking all over Picard and O'Brien saying

1224
00:52:22.920 --> 00:52:23.400
goodbye.

1225
00:52:23.460 --> 00:52:25.860
I mean, I think this seems okay.

1226
00:52:25.920 --> 00:52:27.719
We need to do it, don't we?

1227
00:52:27.780 --> 00:52:31.079
And it is slightly odd because he, you know, we have this.

1228
00:52:31.619 --> 00:52:34.500
It's not quite the midway point, but we have this point where the

1229
00:52:34.500 --> 00:52:39.059
2 new characters are arriving and and, you know, O'Brien's here

1230
00:52:39.059 --> 00:52:40.380
already.

1231
00:52:40.440 --> 00:52:44.099
And so saying this goodbye now is slightly odd, particularly

1232
00:52:44.159 --> 00:52:44.820
dialogue.

1233
00:52:44.880 --> 00:52:45.719
He goes, what is it?

1234
00:52:45.780 --> 00:52:47.820
Oh, it's my favourite transport.

1235
00:52:47.880 --> 00:52:49.019
Number four.

1236
00:52:49.440 --> 00:52:52.320
No, because it is always transformed.

1237
00:52:53.400 --> 00:52:56.280
You're going to think, why do we have more than one transporter

1238
00:52:56.280 --> 00:52:59.579
room given that we always say transporter room three?

1239
00:52:59.639 --> 00:53:01.380
Is this the episode?

1240
00:53:01.500 --> 00:53:05.460
Is it a DS not an episode where he goes, do you know how bored I

1241
00:53:05.460 --> 00:53:08.099
was waiting for something to break down in a transporter room?

1242
00:53:08.159 --> 00:53:10.079
Here, I've got 15 jobs to do at once.

1243
00:53:12.360 --> 00:53:15.960
I mean, you cut to him and he's just standing there.

1244
00:53:16.019 --> 00:53:17.219
That's the job, right?

1245
00:53:17.280 --> 00:53:19.019
You just stand there waiting to push the button.

1246
00:53:19.079 --> 00:53:22.260
Oh, so he's the enterprise going off.

1247
00:53:22.320 --> 00:53:26.460
It's not the midway point yet, but the Enterprise going off looks

1248
00:53:26.460 --> 00:53:27.300
amazing against that.

1249
00:53:27.360 --> 00:53:30.420
And it is a very sort of jolly bit of music as it goes.

1250
00:53:30.420 --> 00:53:33.780
And then it goes, look how everyone's lit and she goes to

1251
00:53:33.780 --> 00:53:34.679
Kardassians.

1252
00:53:34.739 --> 00:53:36.480
Look, they're all lit from below.

1253
00:53:36.539 --> 00:53:37.860
Yeah, yeah, that'd be great.

1254
00:53:37.920 --> 00:53:38.639
That, isn't it?

1255
00:53:38.699 --> 00:53:42.420
And just everyone's on a different level, but not in a crap way

1256
00:53:42.420 --> 00:53:46.199
like on the Enterprise D. The camera's moving.

1257
00:53:46.260 --> 00:53:47.280
It can move in on them.

1258
00:53:47.340 --> 00:53:51.480
But I can imagine just that transition there.

1259
00:53:51.539 --> 00:53:55.679
There's a lot of people that love TNG, the tone of it that were

1260
00:53:55.679 --> 00:53:57.179
like, what is this?

1261
00:53:57.239 --> 00:54:01.199
Like, yeah, it's better television maybe. but it's it's not our

1262
00:54:01.199 --> 00:54:02.519
lovely TNG family.

1263
00:54:02.579 --> 00:54:06.539
I also think that's sudden, cunt to like the ship, and then

1264
00:54:06.539 --> 00:54:09.420
suddenly, um, do you can't arrive?

1265
00:54:09.480 --> 00:54:10.500
Do you know what I mean?

1266
00:54:10.559 --> 00:54:13.800
That's not a normal kind of narrative cut.

1267
00:54:13.860 --> 00:54:14.460
Do you know what I mean?

1268
00:54:14.519 --> 00:54:16.980
You would cut to another scene and then to give him time to

1269
00:54:16.980 --> 00:54:17.400
arrive.

1270
00:54:17.460 --> 00:54:18.780
He just arrives.

1271
00:54:18.840 --> 00:54:22.559
God, they got rid of those head things, hey, from the wounded.

1272
00:54:22.920 --> 00:54:28.079
One of my favourite things, one of my favourite lines is when

1273
00:54:28.079 --> 00:54:33.119
Cisco says to him, you're welcome to drop by whenever you like, you

1274
00:54:33.119 --> 00:54:35.880
know, about the, and he's being funny.

1275
00:54:36.000 --> 00:54:38.940
Drop by any time you're feeling homesick and he's making a joke

1276
00:54:38.940 --> 00:54:41.639
and then very seriously.

1277
00:54:41.699 --> 00:54:43.860
Gary goes, you're very gracious, commander.

1278
00:54:43.920 --> 00:54:45.239
And it's just like, no, no.

1279
00:54:45.300 --> 00:54:46.079
It's actually in a way.

1280
00:54:46.139 --> 00:54:48.539
You're very gracious as if to say, I'm going to jump over that

1281
00:54:48.539 --> 00:54:50.219
desk in a minute and tear your head off.

1282
00:54:50.280 --> 00:54:51.719
I really liked it.

1283
00:54:51.780 --> 00:54:54.480
I thought it was kind of like it's like Cisco is telling a joke

1284
00:54:54.480 --> 00:54:57.420
but he doesn't quite get it because he's very self-serious.

1285
00:54:57.480 --> 00:55:00.900
Like he can't imagine anyone gently mocking him, you know.

1286
00:55:00.960 --> 00:55:05.400
Oh, I love Ducat spelling out the danger of that situation.

1287
00:55:05.460 --> 00:55:07.019
You're far from the Federation fleet.

1288
00:55:07.079 --> 00:55:08.639
You've got poor defence systems.

1289
00:55:08.639 --> 00:55:12.300
And yes, that's good. that's where the drama is Yeah, yeah, yeah

1290
00:55:12.300 --> 00:55:12.480
yeah.

1291
00:55:12.539 --> 00:55:13.079
Yeah.

1292
00:55:13.139 --> 00:55:15.480
And it's not quite where we land either, is it?

1293
00:55:15.539 --> 00:55:19.860
Like, he is around from time to time in the early seasons.

1294
00:55:19.980 --> 00:55:24.119
His next appearance, his duet, and then he's not, he's in a couple

1295
00:55:24.119 --> 00:55:27.900
about 3 episodes of season 2, and then he starts being a semi

1296
00:55:27.059 --> 00:55:28.559
regular in season three.

1297
00:55:28.619 --> 00:55:31.679
I think they just realised a lame amount is gold.

1298
00:55:31.739 --> 00:55:33.119
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1299
00:55:33.179 --> 00:55:34.739
And civil defence is that one?

1300
00:55:34.800 --> 00:55:35.400
He turns up.

1301
00:55:35.460 --> 00:55:36.360
Oh, yeah.

1302
00:55:36.420 --> 00:55:38.219
Yeah, it's not going to work, you know.

1303
00:55:38.280 --> 00:55:40.019
Majakira.

1304
00:55:40.079 --> 00:55:42.599
You're not going to impress her with your posturing.

1305
00:55:42.659 --> 00:55:44.579
He goes, Garak.

1306
00:55:44.639 --> 00:55:47.039
And you, a married man.

1307
00:55:50.099 --> 00:55:52.739
Oh, I bloody love these characters.

1308
00:55:52.800 --> 00:55:53.880
Just so good.

1309
00:55:53.940 --> 00:55:55.980
That mean, look, then.

1310
00:55:56.039 --> 00:55:57.780
What's that face that Avery's pulling there?

1311
00:55:57.840 --> 00:55:58.559
He'll never do that again.

1312
00:55:58.619 --> 00:56:00.360
No thank god.

1313
00:56:00.840 --> 00:56:02.639
Get grief.

1314
00:56:02.699 --> 00:56:06.420
Oh, what I love, though, about this bit is now you see them for

1315
00:56:06.420 --> 00:56:11.219
the 1st time working together as a crew to get Odo into the

1316
00:56:11.219 --> 00:56:13.920
Cardassian ship, but you think Quarks in on it, isn't he?

1317
00:56:13.980 --> 00:56:15.119
He's like, I think it is.

1318
00:56:15.179 --> 00:56:17.639
It's not made explicit, but I think that's how they play it

1319
00:56:17.699 --> 00:56:19.920
straight up them, as if to say, right, that's done.

1320
00:56:19.980 --> 00:56:20.460
Do your bit.

1321
00:56:20.519 --> 00:56:21.480
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1322
00:56:21.539 --> 00:56:22.440
It's really good, isn't it?

1323
00:56:22.500 --> 00:56:25.079
And I like how you don't see them setting it up as well.

1324
00:56:25.139 --> 00:56:28.199
You know, Star Trek the next generation would have trusting people

1325
00:56:28.199 --> 00:56:29.460
to figure things out.

1326
00:56:29.460 --> 00:56:30.239
Exactly.

1327
00:56:30.300 --> 00:56:31.199
Outrageous.

1328
00:56:31.260 --> 00:56:32.699
What sort of Star Trek is this?

1329
00:56:34.380 --> 00:56:36.179
Oh, I like that.

1330
00:56:36.239 --> 00:56:37.440
Debbie, yes.

1331
00:56:37.500 --> 00:56:39.539
He saw the celestial temple of the prophets.

1332
00:56:41.340 --> 00:56:45.119
So are they slightly embarrassed about this?

1333
00:56:45.179 --> 00:56:46.559
Like, do they not?

1334
00:56:46.739 --> 00:56:49.559
So we don't see the profits again until accession, is that right?

1335
00:56:49.980 --> 00:56:53.460
Uh, no, no, no, they're in series two.

1336
00:56:53.579 --> 00:56:57.780
There's the episode where Dax has the initial argent come along

1337
00:56:57.780 --> 00:56:59.460
and they go into the...

1338
00:56:59.519 --> 00:57:01.980
Oh, no, that's just going into the wormhole, isn't it?

1339
00:57:02.039 --> 00:57:04.199
Yeah, I think you, 0 no, profit motive.

1340
00:57:04.260 --> 00:57:04.679
We did it.

1341
00:57:04.739 --> 00:57:05.579
You remember?

1342
00:57:05.639 --> 00:57:06.780
What went in there?

1343
00:57:06.840 --> 00:57:07.619
That's right.

1344
00:57:07.679 --> 00:57:11.340
And he has his saying where they kind of do this again, but with

1345
00:57:11.340 --> 00:57:12.000
Quark.

1346
00:57:12.059 --> 00:57:15.480
From a session onwards, it's a couple of times a year and then

1347
00:57:15.480 --> 00:57:18.539
obviously in the last season, they're a big, big players.

1348
00:57:18.599 --> 00:57:19.619
Yeah, yeah.

1349
00:57:19.679 --> 00:57:24.539
In a way that I think is slightly crappy, I have to say.

1350
00:57:24.599 --> 00:57:25.619
What in which one?

1351
00:57:25.679 --> 00:57:29.159
Well, I just think that the profits versus the par rates just

1352
00:57:29.159 --> 00:57:32.099
becomes 2 groups of states.

1353
00:57:32.159 --> 00:57:36.780
You know, like it's Jake and Kira shooting out beams of energy

1354
00:57:36.780 --> 00:57:38.340
stomach at each other.

1355
00:57:38.400 --> 00:57:39.360
This ain't Marvel, all right.

1356
00:57:39.420 --> 00:57:40.199
You ain't got the money.

1357
00:57:40.260 --> 00:57:41.099
Yeah.

1358
00:57:41.159 --> 00:57:44.159
I think that's less interesting than what this is.

1359
00:57:44.280 --> 00:57:48.780
Oh, God, she's got a new way of having terrible hair in this

1360
00:57:48.780 --> 00:57:49.079
scene.

1361
00:57:49.320 --> 00:57:51.719
The sooner you get that cut off.

1362
00:57:51.780 --> 00:57:54.780
I wonder if Nanar just cut it off and she went, well, sorry, you

1363
00:57:54.780 --> 00:57:56.760
can't wait for it to grow back to shoot, can you?

1364
00:57:58.860 --> 00:58:03.599
I really like as well, you and me talk all the time about the

1365
00:58:03.599 --> 00:58:08.039
writers of Deep Space 9 looking back and going, right, let's use

1366
00:58:08.039 --> 00:58:08.340
that.

1367
00:58:08.400 --> 00:58:12.360
And a lot of the stuff here they do use, right?

1368
00:58:12.420 --> 00:58:15.539
It's a pivotal point in sacrifice of angels.

1369
00:58:15.599 --> 00:58:18.960
The, um, the prophet's coming in and saving the day.

1370
00:58:19.019 --> 00:58:20.519
That's established here.

1371
00:58:20.579 --> 00:58:25.739
The stuff with Cisco and Sarah, they look back to this stuff and

1372
00:58:25.739 --> 00:58:29.099
they use it to make that make sense later on.

1373
00:58:29.159 --> 00:58:35.639
So I think in terms of an influential pilot where the ideas are

1374
00:58:35.639 --> 00:58:39.840
taken on and developed, GC is probably the best pilot in that

1375
00:58:39.840 --> 00:58:40.139
respect.

1376
00:58:40.199 --> 00:58:45.300
I guess I guess we hint at sort of geopolitical things by having

1377
00:58:45.300 --> 00:58:49.139
us near Cardassian space, so having the Federation and Cardassia

1378
00:58:49.139 --> 00:58:51.900
there, having Cardassia still interested in the station to some

1379
00:58:51.900 --> 00:58:57.539
degree, but, you know, the thing that starts to happen, like

1380
00:58:57.539 --> 00:59:01.079
there's no hint of the Dominion yet, except, I guess, in the

1381
00:59:01.079 --> 00:59:05.400
moment of Odo's backstory, which leaves that open, doesn't it?

1382
00:59:05.460 --> 00:59:08.639
Oh, dear, oh, it is so funny.

1383
00:59:08.699 --> 00:59:12.239
In the interviews, he goes, well, they can never, ever find out in

1384
00:59:12.239 --> 00:59:13.079
the early interviews.

1385
00:59:13.139 --> 00:59:15.539
They never find out where Odo comes from because that's the end of

1386
00:59:15.539 --> 00:59:16.139
my character.

1387
00:59:16.199 --> 00:59:17.820
Oh, if you only knew.

1388
00:59:17.880 --> 00:59:22.079
I mean that becomes the best running plot, I think, of all.

1389
00:59:22.139 --> 00:59:25.559
So that terrible, terrible special effect.

1390
00:59:25.619 --> 00:59:27.360
Maybe you're right.

1391
00:59:27.420 --> 00:59:29.699
The Kirkman sort of chopped meat look.

1392
00:59:29.760 --> 00:59:31.199
Yeah, yeah, raw chicken.

1393
00:59:31.980 --> 00:59:34.679
Oh, I meant to say, sure.

1394
00:59:34.739 --> 00:59:36.300
You know Maggie was in that scene earlier.

1395
00:59:36.420 --> 00:59:39.599
She was the transporter chief, you know, Maggie, the office side

1396
00:59:39.599 --> 00:59:41.880
that's in about 5 or 6 next generation episodes.

1397
00:59:41.940 --> 00:59:44.639
She plays an admiral in Picard.

1398
00:59:44.699 --> 00:59:47.159
They gave her a row in Kurtzman Trek.

1399
00:59:47.219 --> 00:59:49.559
Yeah, it's tremendous. happiness in it as well.

1400
00:59:50.340 --> 00:59:53.639
Finally, she goes, I'm not stuck at consoles.

1401
00:59:53.699 --> 00:59:57.000
So this is more or less the halfway point, isn't it?

1402
00:59:57.059 --> 01:00:00.000
So in the 2 part version, which is kind of, I think, the only part

1403
01:00:00.000 --> 01:00:04.559
of the only version available on streaming, this is where the sort

1404
01:00:04.559 --> 01:00:08.639
of 2nd part happens, which means that we really sideline Avery, in

1405
01:00:08.639 --> 01:00:12.119
a way, we sideline him, like we separate him from the main

1406
01:00:12.119 --> 01:00:12.599
action.

1407
01:00:12.659 --> 01:00:16.500
So he gets to have his own plot, which is about, you know, a very

1408
01:00:16.500 --> 01:00:18.000
important thing, you know?

1409
01:00:18.539 --> 01:00:21.179
I think that's deliberate though, isn't it?

1410
01:00:21.239 --> 01:00:25.260
Our statement here is you can have your bangs and whistles and

1411
01:00:25.260 --> 01:00:26.639
space problems and aliens.

1412
01:00:26.699 --> 01:00:30.420
This is a character show and we will give as much focus to these

1413
01:00:30.420 --> 01:00:30.840
characters.

1414
01:00:30.900 --> 01:00:35.940
But I do think that they do a really good job with the space stuff

1415
01:00:35.940 --> 01:00:36.659
here.

1416
01:00:36.719 --> 01:00:40.920
Oh, yes, it goes in a massive bubble, Nathan, and flies through

1417
01:00:40.920 --> 01:00:41.280
space.

1418
01:00:41.340 --> 01:00:42.000
So good.

1419
01:00:42.059 --> 01:00:43.440
It looks so great.

1420
01:00:43.500 --> 01:00:45.780
It's one of my favourite special effects.

1421
01:00:45.840 --> 01:00:46.860
Wait list, don't you?

1422
01:00:46.980 --> 01:00:48.480
Yeah, it's really good.

1423
01:00:48.539 --> 01:00:49.679
Yeah.

1424
01:00:49.739 --> 01:00:52.980
And it's a very Star Trek moment where sort of Dax leans over and

1425
01:00:52.980 --> 01:00:55.739
goes, what if we put it into an inertial bubble or something?

1426
01:00:55.800 --> 01:00:57.900
It just like, yeah, this is still Star Trek.

1427
01:00:57.960 --> 01:00:59.340
We're still on.

1428
01:00:59.460 --> 01:01:02.880
When they start blowing the crap out of the station.

1429
01:01:02.940 --> 01:01:05.940
There are some serious explosions on that promenade.

1430
01:01:06.000 --> 01:01:06.599
I'll tell you what.

1431
01:01:06.659 --> 01:01:10.500
It's not like TNG where you usually just see a few sparks coming

1432
01:01:10.500 --> 01:01:11.519
out the wall, you know?

1433
01:01:11.579 --> 01:01:13.139
The whole floor erupts at one point.

1434
01:01:13.199 --> 01:01:15.300
What do you think happened to all that latinum?

1435
01:01:16.860 --> 01:01:18.960
Did they put in the bag?

1436
01:01:19.679 --> 01:01:19.920
Yeah.

1437
01:01:20.039 --> 01:01:21.900
Was he just a bag?

1438
01:01:21.960 --> 01:01:23.400
Yeah, he was just a bag.

1439
01:01:23.460 --> 01:01:25.320
I like it when he's a rat.

1440
01:01:25.380 --> 01:01:26.699
He does it a couple of times, actually.

1441
01:01:26.760 --> 01:01:28.320
But how does that work?

1442
01:01:28.380 --> 01:01:29.699
He can sort of change his math.

1443
01:01:29.760 --> 01:01:30.659
Apparently.

1444
01:01:30.719 --> 01:01:31.679
Okay.

1445
01:01:31.739 --> 01:01:33.480
It's an alien. very dense.

1446
01:01:33.539 --> 01:01:34.440
He's very dense rat.

1447
01:01:34.500 --> 01:01:37.800
He's very hard to become. 70 kilogram rat.

1448
01:01:37.860 --> 01:01:39.900
Black star massa dense, yeah.

1449
01:01:40.199 --> 01:01:41.699
Okay.

1450
01:01:41.760 --> 01:01:43.920
Now this feels very TNG now, doesn't it?

1451
01:01:43.980 --> 01:01:47.219
When they're in the runabout, sort of looking about space for...

1452
01:01:47.219 --> 01:01:51.239
But what I like is that we're in a star system.

1453
01:01:51.300 --> 01:01:52.139
Do you know what I mean?

1454
01:01:52.199 --> 01:01:54.780
You know how we talked about in when we did the 1st duty, how

1455
01:01:54.780 --> 01:01:58.500
exciting it was to have Saturn and me mass and stuff and, you know

1456
01:01:58.500 --> 01:02:01.739
we're in a in a star system.

1457
01:02:01.800 --> 01:02:05.159
And I don't think they want to pin down the Bajor system

1458
01:02:05.159 --> 01:02:05.760
particularly.

1459
01:02:05.820 --> 01:02:08.820
You know, there are the, there are habitable moons in there, we

1460
01:02:08.820 --> 01:02:09.840
discover and stuff like that.

1461
01:02:09.900 --> 01:02:12.420
There are some other planets, but where they don't have a sort of

1462
01:02:12.420 --> 01:02:14.639
properly pin it down just to leave things open, I think.

1463
01:02:14.699 --> 01:02:19.920
Um, but the idea that there are ships, sometimes some of us are on

1464
01:02:19.920 --> 01:02:24.420
ships, some of us are on the station, gives it a scale, gives it a

1465
01:02:24.420 --> 01:02:27.960
sort of a movie style scale, and I like that.

1466
01:02:28.019 --> 01:02:29.099
What does enterprise?

1467
01:02:29.159 --> 01:02:30.539
Sorry, TNG happy.

1468
01:02:30.599 --> 01:02:32.219
You were either on the ship or you're on a planet, right?

1469
01:02:32.280 --> 01:02:33.179
That's right.

1470
01:02:33.239 --> 01:02:33.960
That's the 2 options.

1471
01:02:34.019 --> 01:02:38.940
Now, I know this has dated a bit, but I just was bewitched by the

1472
01:02:38.940 --> 01:02:39.840
wormhole at the time.

1473
01:02:39.900 --> 01:02:40.679
Oh, it looks fantastic.

1474
01:02:40.739 --> 01:02:43.860
The sort of the weird sort of puddly water that's going on.

1475
01:02:43.920 --> 01:02:44.460
Yeah, yeah.

1476
01:02:44.519 --> 01:02:45.480
In all sorts of dimensions.

1477
01:02:45.539 --> 01:02:48.300
I think the aperture, as you open, you know, as it opens and

1478
01:02:48.300 --> 01:02:49.619
closes, looks incredible.

1479
01:02:49.679 --> 01:02:50.639
It's dynamic, isn't it?

1480
01:02:50.699 --> 01:02:52.139
It's really good It's open.

1481
01:02:52.199 --> 01:02:56.039
But it's not just that it's a like computer generated effect.

1482
01:02:56.099 --> 01:02:59.219
It's a beautifully designed one. like it looks terrific.

1483
01:02:59.280 --> 01:03:01.559
It just... going to use this a lot, chaps.

1484
01:03:01.619 --> 01:03:02.760
So we need to make it good.

1485
01:03:02.880 --> 01:03:03.900
Yeah.

1486
01:03:04.199 --> 01:03:07.679
Yeah, because it doesn't appear in the opening credits here

1487
01:03:07.679 --> 01:03:09.719
because they don't want to spoil it, do they?

1488
01:03:09.780 --> 01:03:13.019
But it does appear, actually, does it appear in part two?

1489
01:03:13.079 --> 01:03:15.300
No, because they think it appears here for the 1st time by which

1490
01:03:15.300 --> 01:03:16.320
time it is part two.

1491
01:03:16.380 --> 01:03:19.139
One regret, and I would always say this.

1492
01:03:19.199 --> 01:03:21.780
I mean, I'm so pleased they moved the station to the wormhole.

1493
01:03:21.840 --> 01:03:25.139
I just wish the wormhole was closer to Bajor because the 2

1494
01:03:25.139 --> 01:03:28.860
episodes where the state, we go back in time to the station around

1495
01:03:28.860 --> 01:03:32.880
Bajor, we've got sunlight coming through the windows and it just

1496
01:03:32.880 --> 01:03:33.900
looks great, yeah.

1497
01:03:33.960 --> 01:03:36.900
But it's a budgetary measure, isn't it?

1498
01:03:37.019 --> 01:03:41.940
Yeah Like every scene internally, Caprice?

1499
01:03:42.000 --> 01:03:42.480
Yeah, yeah.

1500
01:03:42.539 --> 01:03:45.360
And and also fill the fill the windows with a planet.

1501
01:03:45.420 --> 01:03:46.139
Do you know what I mean?

1502
01:03:46.199 --> 01:03:47.699
Instead of just...

1503
01:03:47.699 --> 01:03:50.099
Did you see that earlier through the enterprise window?

1504
01:03:50.159 --> 01:03:53.280
The planet was about the size of Picard's head.

1505
01:03:53.340 --> 01:03:54.420
The scale was so bad.

1506
01:03:54.480 --> 01:03:57.119
Oh, you know, it just depends on how close they are.

1507
01:03:57.179 --> 01:04:00.119
They couldn't do, you know, they didn't do a convincing cloud

1508
01:04:00.119 --> 01:04:01.019
cover or anything like that.

1509
01:04:01.079 --> 01:04:02.519
It didn't look all that gray.

1510
01:04:02.579 --> 01:04:04.380
Um, but...

1511
01:04:04.380 --> 01:04:07.739
Oh my god, we're doing TOS style wobbleabout.

1512
01:04:07.800 --> 01:04:08.820
Are they wobbling the whole set?

1513
01:04:08.880 --> 01:04:10.079
No, they're just wobbling the.

1514
01:04:10.260 --> 01:04:11.940
Sometimes they wobble with sand, remember?

1515
01:04:12.000 --> 01:04:15.420
I think one of those runabouts must be on a gimble or something

1516
01:04:15.420 --> 01:04:15.539
right?

1517
01:04:15.599 --> 01:04:16.380
Like, come on, there.

1518
01:04:16.380 --> 01:04:17.579
Certainly.

1519
01:04:17.579 --> 01:04:22.920
The very little shuttle pod things in TNG, I don't want to say

1520
01:04:22.920 --> 01:04:23.159
it.

1521
01:04:23.219 --> 01:04:24.780
Like the beginning of PowerPlay.

1522
01:04:24.840 --> 01:04:25.860
Remember, where you've got it?

1523
01:04:25.860 --> 01:04:29.340
Oh, you've got it down as breasts, Marina's breasts jiggling up

1524
01:04:29.340 --> 01:04:29.639
and down.

1525
01:04:29.699 --> 01:04:32.219
Actually, we go to a place right now, don't we?

1526
01:04:32.280 --> 01:04:34.619
It looks just like that power play planet.

1527
01:04:34.679 --> 01:04:35.519
Oh, yeah, yeah.

1528
01:04:35.579 --> 01:04:38.880
I bet they because obviously Avery is superimposed on that and

1529
01:04:38.880 --> 01:04:41.039
Terry is genuinely in the park.

1530
01:04:41.099 --> 01:04:44.280
I wonder if they just superimposed the power play planet over

1531
01:04:44.280 --> 01:04:44.579
him.

1532
01:04:44.639 --> 01:04:50.099
So, so again, like it hadn't realised, like I don't think I had

1533
01:04:50.099 --> 01:04:53.880
realised originally the reason that Avery sees it like this and

1534
01:04:53.880 --> 01:04:57.659
that Dax sees it the other way is, of course, this is the world

1535
01:04:57.659 --> 01:04:58.739
that Avery inhabits.

1536
01:04:59.039 --> 01:05:03.960
And she's very centred. and beautiful. stormy and miserable.

1537
01:05:04.019 --> 01:05:09.659
It's got gray clouds overhead that's where he is now and she, you

1538
01:05:09.659 --> 01:05:14.400
know, for her, the world is completely different. come on Season 6

1539
01:05:14.400 --> 01:05:15.539
should be walking out.

1540
01:05:15.599 --> 01:05:18.599
It'll be a debauched pottery, all she's going on everywhere

1541
01:05:18.599 --> 01:05:19.139
wouldn't it?

1542
01:05:19.199 --> 01:05:20.039
Well, the hot man.

1543
01:05:20.760 --> 01:05:24.239
Where's Malcolm from Where the Warrior?

1544
01:05:27.300 --> 01:05:30.480
Go back to this park again and again, but it is very beautiful.

1545
01:05:30.539 --> 01:05:35.039
See, but you see what I mean about the bunched up around his, like

1546
01:05:35.039 --> 01:05:37.199
his bum looks terrible in that outfit.

1547
01:05:37.260 --> 01:05:39.420
I just think it's not very flattering.

1548
01:05:39.539 --> 01:05:41.820
Usually for me, I wasn't looking at Apron's bomb.

1549
01:05:42.239 --> 01:05:47.820
But again, age 13, I can see myself watching this has its cutting

1550
01:05:47.820 --> 01:05:50.940
from the park to the...

1551
01:05:51.000 --> 01:05:51.659
What is this?

1552
01:05:51.719 --> 01:05:54.360
And then this, I think this is a great effect of the profit coming

1553
01:05:54.360 --> 01:05:56.460
in and zooming between them in a minute.

1554
01:05:56.519 --> 01:06:00.539
But also just the way we flick between them, like in her lighting

1555
01:06:00.539 --> 01:06:01.019
changes.

1556
01:06:01.079 --> 01:06:04.860
So she's in the park for a second and then she's here and she can

1557
01:06:04.860 --> 01:06:08.880
see things here and the light flickers in the background flickers

1558
01:06:08.880 --> 01:06:09.300
and stuff.

1559
01:06:09.360 --> 01:06:12.000
It's really well done. serious editing there, isn't it?

1560
01:06:12.059 --> 01:06:13.739
Oh, we'll talk about editing later.

1561
01:06:13.800 --> 01:06:16.199
Yeah, I think it's really good. think it's great.

1562
01:06:16.260 --> 01:06:17.400
Actually, we'd have to.

1563
01:06:17.400 --> 01:06:18.539
It's coming up in a second.

1564
01:06:18.599 --> 01:06:21.360
The fact that they would have had to have shot all those profit

1565
01:06:21.360 --> 01:06:25.440
scenes in all of those different locations whilst they were

1566
01:06:25.440 --> 01:06:27.960
filming other scenes and then put it together.

1567
01:06:28.019 --> 01:06:31.440
So it's fluidic and it makes dramatic sense.

1568
01:06:31.500 --> 01:06:34.320
That is some great work on the part of the editor.

1569
01:06:34.380 --> 01:06:35.460
Yeah, yeah.

1570
01:06:35.519 --> 01:06:38.460
I mean, it is, in a sense, it is, yeah, this sense, do you know

1571
01:06:38.460 --> 01:06:38.760
what I mean?

1572
01:06:38.820 --> 01:06:42.780
When we're flashing between her being in his landscape in her own

1573
01:06:42.780 --> 01:06:43.679
landscape.

1574
01:06:43.800 --> 01:06:44.760
It's weird, isn't it?

1575
01:06:44.820 --> 01:06:46.440
We do like a bit of weird in style.

1576
01:06:46.440 --> 01:06:47.159
It is really good.

1577
01:06:47.219 --> 01:06:48.420
And that's what it's doing too.

1578
01:06:48.480 --> 01:06:50.099
That was the other thing that I think it's doing.

1579
01:06:50.159 --> 01:06:54.960
It is making it clear that this is still Star Trek in the sense

1580
01:06:54.960 --> 01:06:58.380
that, you know, there's omnipotent alien entities and weirdness

1581
01:06:58.380 --> 01:07:01.619
and, you know, virtual worlds and all of that sort of thing.

1582
01:07:01.619 --> 01:07:02.699
We're still expecting that.

1583
01:07:02.760 --> 01:07:05.639
I found really scary when I was younger.

1584
01:07:05.699 --> 01:07:09.179
There's light coming up through the cracks and then all of the

1585
01:07:09.179 --> 01:07:12.780
light bleeding out and losing Cisco in it.

1586
01:07:12.840 --> 01:07:13.739
Yeah, yeah.

1587
01:07:13.800 --> 01:07:15.900
Because I just couldn't comprehend what was happening.

1588
01:07:15.960 --> 01:07:16.920
I was like, what is going on?

1589
01:07:16.980 --> 01:07:19.019
Yeah, it's amazing, isn't it?

1590
01:07:19.079 --> 01:07:20.820
I've lost control of this episode.

1591
01:07:20.880 --> 01:07:21.420
What's happening?

1592
01:07:22.679 --> 01:07:24.059
Yeah.

1593
01:07:24.119 --> 01:07:27.000
I mean, actually, and they keep referring to that visual every

1594
01:07:27.000 --> 01:07:29.039
time we go to the profits in the future.

1595
01:07:29.099 --> 01:07:32.219
You always have somebody standing in a white space right up the

1596
01:07:32.219 --> 01:07:32.639
door.

1597
01:07:32.699 --> 01:07:34.800
The light is so bright, but it's covering them.

1598
01:07:34.800 --> 01:07:37.079
Like it's making them less visible as well.

1599
01:07:37.139 --> 01:07:43.619
Until you get to um, Cassidy and Ben in the last episode where

1600
01:07:43.619 --> 01:07:45.000
they won a romantic moment.

1601
01:07:45.059 --> 01:07:47.820
So they're picture perfect in that scene.

1602
01:07:48.360 --> 01:07:52.260
Yeah, I think like it, Penny Johnson.

1603
01:07:52.920 --> 01:07:55.139
Ah, yeah, yeah, she'll be along at some point.

1604
01:07:55.199 --> 01:07:56.460
It's amazing isn't it?

1605
01:07:56.519 --> 01:07:57.719
Another great woman. yeah.

1606
01:07:57.780 --> 01:07:59.280
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1607
01:07:59.340 --> 01:08:00.300
Keiko.

1608
01:08:00.360 --> 01:08:01.019
Oh my word.

1609
01:08:01.079 --> 01:08:04.500
Yeah, she gets a mention and she's obviously they know she's going

1610
01:08:04.500 --> 01:08:06.840
to be in it because she's agreed to be in it for a bit.

1611
01:08:06.900 --> 01:08:09.179
She's in the 2nd episode setting up the score, actually.

1612
01:08:09.239 --> 01:08:11.760
Rosalind, are you free for the pilot?

1613
01:08:11.820 --> 01:08:12.900
I'm doing a movie, love.

1614
01:08:12.960 --> 01:08:13.320
Sorry.

1615
01:08:13.380 --> 01:08:15.900
She's doing a lot of movies at this point, isn't she?

1616
01:08:15.960 --> 01:08:19.319
Yeah, she was a very popular actress at the time.

1617
01:08:19.380 --> 01:08:19.979
Yeah.

1618
01:08:20.039 --> 01:08:20.760
Yeah.

1619
01:08:20.819 --> 01:08:23.699
That was the height of her kind of career, I think.

1620
01:08:23.760 --> 01:08:27.840
So tell me now, why, why were you so impressed with this this

1621
01:08:27.840 --> 01:08:28.079
time?

1622
01:08:28.140 --> 01:08:32.399
So what I think, I think initially we get the who are you thing

1623
01:08:32.399 --> 01:08:33.539
and then we get these shots.

1624
01:08:33.600 --> 01:08:35.460
We don't quite know what's happening.

1625
01:08:36.359 --> 01:08:40.619
And we get this initial reaction where he's confused.

1626
01:08:40.739 --> 01:08:45.899
But then later on, once he's talking to a series of them, the

1627
01:08:45.899 --> 01:08:50.159
carts are between, like these carts are still really abrupt, but

1628
01:08:50.159 --> 01:08:51.960
he stops being surprised.

1629
01:08:52.020 --> 01:08:56.399
So what they don't decide to do is have him react to suddenly

1630
01:08:56.399 --> 01:08:59.579
being in a new place talking to a completely new person.

1631
01:08:59.640 --> 01:09:00.479
Do you know what I mean?

1632
01:09:00.539 --> 01:09:03.000
Like, we just get the initial sort of thing where this is weird

1633
01:09:03.000 --> 01:09:06.060
but now he can just interact with them, and he carries on a

1634
01:09:06.060 --> 01:09:09.960
conversation throughout, like, with different people answering him

1635
01:09:09.960 --> 01:09:13.439
and asking him questions without being phased by them, and without

1636
01:09:13.439 --> 01:09:16.739
kind of, you know, without that sort of startling thing.

1637
01:09:16.859 --> 01:09:19.260
And so he suddenly kind of adapts and he's talking to them

1638
01:09:19.260 --> 01:09:19.739
normally.

1639
01:09:19.800 --> 01:09:22.800
And what I think is really good is, of course, and we've said this

1640
01:09:22.800 --> 01:09:26.640
before, we choose the right people to say the particular things.

1641
01:09:26.699 --> 01:09:33.000
And you have the Kai Opaka prophet saying exactly the things that

1642
01:09:33.000 --> 01:09:34.319
Kai Parker had said.

1643
01:09:34.380 --> 01:09:38.279
But what I detected this time is a relationship between him and

1644
01:09:38.279 --> 01:09:39.359
the Jennifer Prophet.

1645
01:09:41.279 --> 01:09:43.920
Yeah, then why do you exist here?

1646
01:09:43.979 --> 01:09:46.380
But she's the 1st to understand it.

1647
01:09:46.439 --> 01:09:47.579
Do you know what I mean?

1648
01:09:47.640 --> 01:09:50.100
She's the 1st one to understand what's going on.

1649
01:09:50.159 --> 01:09:53.760
And what I think is really brilliant too, is they don't understand

1650
01:09:53.760 --> 01:09:54.659
time.

1651
01:09:54.720 --> 01:09:58.680
He has to explain it to them, but they're the ones who work out.

1652
01:09:58.739 --> 01:10:02.819
What the problem with him is that the problem is, although he

1653
01:10:02.819 --> 01:10:04.500
talks about linear time.

1654
01:10:04.859 --> 01:10:07.979
That's not how he's experiencing time at all because every time he

1655
01:10:07.979 --> 01:10:12.539
closes his eyes, he's back there in that cabin looking at

1656
01:10:12.539 --> 01:10:13.199
Jennifer.

1657
01:10:13.260 --> 01:10:15.539
And like it's so good.

1658
01:10:15.600 --> 01:10:19.199
Like, it's so good that they're, you know, it's not the, will

1659
01:10:19.199 --> 01:10:21.840
teach us this human concept you call kissing.

1660
01:10:21.899 --> 01:10:22.680
Do you know what I mean?

1661
01:10:22.739 --> 01:10:23.520
Like, it's not that.

1662
01:10:23.579 --> 01:10:27.960
He's explaining time to them, but then they explain it back to him

1663
01:10:27.960 --> 01:10:31.079
and they teach him something, that they discover from him, but

1664
01:10:31.079 --> 01:10:34.199
that he's unable to, so they don't sweep in and solve the

1665
01:10:34.199 --> 01:10:34.560
problem.

1666
01:10:34.619 --> 01:10:39.539
He, he tells them the thing, but they, they learn from it and

1667
01:10:39.539 --> 01:10:40.380
reflected back to him.

1668
01:10:40.439 --> 01:10:41.520
And I just think it's so good.

1669
01:10:41.579 --> 01:10:45.239
And I think, I think there's a moment where he talks to Jennifer

1670
01:10:45.239 --> 01:10:50.279
and he tells her about touch, how important touches and how humans

1671
01:10:50.279 --> 01:10:52.739
as corporeal beings find it pleasurable.

1672
01:10:52.800 --> 01:10:56.880
And then later when he's really distressed, Jennifer reaches out

1673
01:10:56.880 --> 01:11:00.659
and touches his face at one and I just thought it was so touching

1674
01:11:00.659 --> 01:11:01.619
and so clever.

1675
01:11:01.680 --> 01:11:04.500
Well she's the one that says back to him, doesn't she?

1676
01:11:04.560 --> 01:11:06.420
The sound of children playing.

1677
01:11:06.420 --> 01:11:07.859
Yeah, really trying to understand.

1678
01:11:07.920 --> 01:11:09.119
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1679
01:11:09.180 --> 01:11:10.140
It's really good.

1680
01:11:10.199 --> 01:11:11.399
She's great in that.

1681
01:11:11.460 --> 01:11:13.560
And I just thought it was good.

1682
01:11:13.619 --> 01:11:19.079
Within that as well, he gets to reinstate the Star Trek ideal of

1683
01:11:19.079 --> 01:11:21.779
going out there and exploring things and that's beautifully

1684
01:11:21.779 --> 01:11:22.500
scripted as well.

1685
01:11:22.560 --> 01:11:27.720
The development of that sequence from him being completely lost

1686
01:11:27.720 --> 01:11:32.699
and not understanding, to figuring out how it's all working, to

1687
01:11:32.699 --> 01:11:37.800
then him educating them about what humanity is all about, to them

1688
01:11:37.800 --> 01:11:41.399
healing him or helping him to heal himself.

1689
01:11:41.460 --> 01:11:43.380
That's an incredible development.

1690
01:11:43.439 --> 01:11:48.779
And it's all done with such a visually arresting style of cutting

1691
01:11:48.779 --> 01:11:50.520
back and forth to all of those different locations.

1692
01:11:50.579 --> 01:11:53.760
But if you're not looking carefully, it just looks like a bunch of

1693
01:11:53.760 --> 01:11:57.600
random shit happening, but it's just very, very well sort of

1694
01:11:57.600 --> 01:11:59.460
thought through and very well written, I think.

1695
01:11:59.579 --> 01:12:02.520
There might just be one or 2 what is this?

1696
01:12:02.520 --> 01:12:03.600
is too many.

1697
01:12:03.659 --> 01:12:06.000
Well, I was going, figure it out, guys.

1698
01:12:06.000 --> 01:12:08.819
My favourite one is where the guy says, what is this?

1699
01:12:08.819 --> 01:12:14.279
And he says, I thought you'd say that or something.

1700
01:12:14.279 --> 01:12:17.699
I was afraid you'd say that, which I thought was really good.

1701
01:12:17.760 --> 01:12:19.680
But it's good dialogue, right?

1702
01:12:19.739 --> 01:12:22.560
I mean, we don't often praise 90s.

1703
01:12:22.560 --> 01:12:23.819
It's trek for good dialogue.

1704
01:12:24.659 --> 01:12:28.199
I did love that bit when Odo says I need to come along.

1705
01:12:28.260 --> 01:12:29.819
It could be the answers to everything.

1706
01:12:29.880 --> 01:12:34.140
That set, the top of the set with the, you know, with the windows

1707
01:12:34.140 --> 01:12:37.319
of the habitat ring and stuff, like it just looks so good.

1708
01:12:37.380 --> 01:12:39.539
It just looks so amazingly good.

1709
01:12:40.560 --> 01:12:45.060
Yeah, so you get Picard being adversarial, the cutest being

1710
01:12:45.060 --> 01:12:47.880
adversarial, the the baseball player.

1711
01:12:47.939 --> 01:12:50.159
I mean, the camera doesn't stop moving.

1712
01:12:50.220 --> 01:12:51.600
They're on location for most of this stuff.

1713
01:12:51.659 --> 01:12:54.420
So they could do like some interesting camera work during these

1714
01:12:54.420 --> 01:12:55.079
scenes as well.

1715
01:12:55.140 --> 01:12:56.460
Oh, it's just brilliant.

1716
01:12:56.520 --> 01:12:57.180
Yeah.

1717
01:12:57.180 --> 01:12:58.020
Yeah.

1718
01:12:58.079 --> 01:13:03.180
But it's it's how it's edited together to make you have such a

1719
01:13:03.180 --> 01:13:06.420
emotional connection with what they're talking about.

1720
01:13:06.479 --> 01:13:09.180
I think that takes real skill.

1721
01:13:09.239 --> 01:13:13.739
Kevin, this is piecemeal. bit shot in all kinds of, in different

1722
01:13:13.739 --> 01:13:15.060
days with different actors.

1723
01:13:15.119 --> 01:13:17.340
It's so clever.

1724
01:13:17.399 --> 01:13:19.140
It's really well done, I think.

1725
01:13:19.199 --> 01:13:21.420
And I think every kind of ties it all together.

1726
01:13:21.479 --> 01:13:25.260
You know, like just because of the way that he just continues

1727
01:13:25.260 --> 01:13:29.279
through from moment to moment, there's a real sort of thread

1728
01:13:29.279 --> 01:13:29.640
through it.

1729
01:13:29.699 --> 01:13:30.300
I think it's good.

1730
01:13:30.420 --> 01:13:32.279
I don't know if you can understand.

1731
01:13:32.340 --> 01:13:36.659
I see her like this every day every time I close my eyes.

1732
01:13:36.720 --> 01:13:38.460
I see her like this.

1733
01:13:39.000 --> 01:13:42.300
I actually think it's a little bit of a shame that she's sort of

1734
01:13:42.300 --> 01:13:43.859
fairly decorously asleep.

1735
01:13:43.920 --> 01:13:45.060
I can understand.

1736
01:13:45.119 --> 01:13:46.619
You know what I mean?

1737
01:13:46.680 --> 01:13:51.479
Like, that is super upsetting, but, you know, there's no blood.

1738
01:13:51.539 --> 01:13:52.560
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1739
01:13:52.560 --> 01:13:54.720
It's just like, yeah.

1740
01:13:54.840 --> 01:13:56.220
Yeah.

1741
01:13:56.279 --> 01:14:00.000
Oh, and obviously, Sue Rock, it does get the absolute the funniest

1742
01:14:00.000 --> 01:14:00.300
line.

1743
01:14:00.359 --> 01:14:03.239
You value your ignorance of what is to come.

1744
01:14:03.300 --> 01:14:05.100
But that's brilliant.

1745
01:14:05.159 --> 01:14:06.420
Like, that's brilliant.

1746
01:14:06.479 --> 01:14:09.600
And the, like I said before, this is also the show.

1747
01:14:09.659 --> 01:14:11.399
It's about Star Trek.

1748
01:14:11.460 --> 01:14:15.600
You know, that the unknown is what defines us, that we explore the

1749
01:14:15.600 --> 01:14:18.420
galaxy and we explore our lives.

1750
01:14:18.479 --> 01:14:20.399
I think both of those are great lines.

1751
01:14:20.460 --> 01:14:24.359
So that's talking about the show, which is about space problems

1752
01:14:24.359 --> 01:14:26.520
and about character.

1753
01:14:26.640 --> 01:14:29.819
And it's talking about them making the show.

1754
01:14:29.880 --> 01:14:32.039
They don't know where they're going or where they're going to end

1755
01:14:32.039 --> 01:14:33.659
up and that's exciting.

1756
01:14:33.720 --> 01:14:35.579
Um, it's, it's terrific.

1757
01:14:35.640 --> 01:14:38.460
But it's never a guess where DS9 would have ended up at this

1758
01:14:38.460 --> 01:14:38.699
point.

1759
01:14:38.760 --> 01:14:39.899
But boy, what a journey.

1760
01:14:39.960 --> 01:14:41.039
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1761
01:14:41.100 --> 01:14:42.060
It's amazing, isn't it?

1762
01:14:42.119 --> 01:14:43.859
But they're prefiguring it here, I think.

1763
01:14:44.039 --> 01:14:46.859
We never would have guessed we would have got to the planet

1764
01:14:46.859 --> 01:14:48.000
Meridian, would we?

1765
01:14:48.300 --> 01:14:50.399
like a dune in space.

1766
01:14:50.460 --> 01:14:56.760
I love, I love that field that's like, it's almost like liquid.

1767
01:14:56.819 --> 01:14:57.420
Do you know what I mean?

1768
01:14:57.479 --> 01:15:01.500
Like it's not fully formed and it's like sparking and fizzing and

1769
01:15:01.500 --> 01:15:01.739
stuff.

1770
01:15:01.800 --> 01:15:04.140
And then it just snaps into existence.

1771
01:15:04.199 --> 01:15:05.399
Do you hear what he said?

1772
01:15:05.460 --> 01:15:07.500
Partial shield.

1773
01:15:07.560 --> 01:15:08.340
Did you hear that?

1774
01:15:08.399 --> 01:15:09.600
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1775
01:15:09.600 --> 01:15:12.960
And they've just got nothing, have they?

1776
01:15:13.020 --> 01:15:17.279
And I love how they've craftily improvised their way out of this

1777
01:15:17.279 --> 01:15:19.560
very dangerous situation in the 2nd half.

1778
01:15:19.800 --> 01:15:25.380
Well, um, and remember, of course, we go back to it in, um, in Way

1779
01:15:25.380 --> 01:15:30.659
of the Warrior, where the Klingons say, oh, it's just what, thorium

1780
01:15:30.659 --> 01:15:32.100
shadows or something like that.

1781
01:15:32.699 --> 01:15:33.960
Actually, no.

1782
01:15:34.020 --> 01:15:35.159
Not this time.

1783
01:15:35.819 --> 01:15:40.859
Those fucking phases and photo on top, videos, come shooting out

1784
01:15:40.859 --> 01:15:42.479
of the upper films.

1785
01:15:42.779 --> 01:15:47.520
I mean, it's all the last lines of the scenes in this.

1786
01:15:47.579 --> 01:15:50.880
I think Michael Peter has a gift for it where he goes, computer

1787
01:15:50.880 --> 01:15:52.560
you and I need to have a little talk.

1788
01:15:55.020 --> 01:15:58.560
And in fact, we did it in the Forsaken as well, didn't we?

1789
01:15:58.619 --> 01:16:00.720
Yeah, it was a terrible time with the computer in that, wasn't

1790
01:16:00.720 --> 01:16:00.899
it?

1791
01:16:00.960 --> 01:16:01.800
Yeah.

1792
01:16:01.800 --> 01:16:03.239
Or it has its baby.

1793
01:16:03.300 --> 01:16:04.800
Remember that worked in emissary?

1794
01:16:04.859 --> 01:16:05.819
Maybe we'll do a bit more of that.

1795
01:16:05.880 --> 01:16:07.680
We've got some time to fill in this episode.

1796
01:16:07.859 --> 01:16:11.880
What I love as well, and I don't know how you're going to feel

1797
01:16:11.880 --> 01:16:17.460
about this, but I think it's very clever and unpatronizing that

1798
01:16:17.460 --> 01:16:22.739
they make the profits such an obscure and different alien race

1799
01:16:22.739 --> 01:16:27.600
that I can understand how a race of spiritual people would

1800
01:16:27.600 --> 01:16:29.399
conceive them as good.

1801
01:16:29.460 --> 01:16:32.880
Yeah, because time, because they appear at different times in the

1802
01:16:32.880 --> 01:16:35.819
timeline, and that's manifestations of God, isn't it?

1803
01:16:35.880 --> 01:16:38.340
Then that's because they don't exist in linear time.

1804
01:16:38.399 --> 01:16:43.319
I think they make religion work in Star Trek in a way that it

1805
01:16:43.319 --> 01:16:44.220
never has before.

1806
01:16:44.279 --> 01:16:46.140
God doesn't exist in linear time.

1807
01:16:46.199 --> 01:16:47.340
Do you know what I mean?

1808
01:16:47.399 --> 01:16:49.319
Like, like he doesn't exist in linear time.

1809
01:16:49.380 --> 01:16:50.939
He experiences everything at the same time.

1810
01:16:51.000 --> 01:16:53.640
Well, this is what people who know him say anyway.

1811
01:16:57.359 --> 01:16:59.520
No, he's due after you're gone.

1812
01:16:59.579 --> 01:17:00.600
Oh, right.

1813
01:17:03.180 --> 01:17:06.779
Julian does spend a bit of time on the bridge and I'm not quite

1814
01:17:06.779 --> 01:17:07.619
sure why.

1815
01:17:07.680 --> 01:17:10.319
And they've taken him here.

1816
01:17:10.380 --> 01:17:11.760
Why exactly?

1817
01:17:11.880 --> 01:17:13.260
I don't know.

1818
01:17:13.319 --> 01:17:14.039
Doesn't he go?

1819
01:17:14.100 --> 01:17:16.439
Yes, or something at the end when they win.

1820
01:17:16.500 --> 01:17:20.159
No, he doesn't he do the yes, sir. when she says to me a hero.

1821
01:17:20.220 --> 01:17:21.539
And we had that bit.

1822
01:17:21.600 --> 01:17:22.260
Have we passed it?

1823
01:17:22.319 --> 01:17:23.159
I think we have.

1824
01:17:23.220 --> 01:17:24.420
Oh, this is great.

1825
01:17:24.479 --> 01:17:25.800
To go to car.

1826
01:17:25.859 --> 01:17:26.699
Warmhole?

1827
01:17:26.760 --> 01:17:28.020
What worm was that?

1828
01:17:30.600 --> 01:17:33.300
We strongly suggest you don't proceed.

1829
01:17:33.359 --> 01:17:34.920
They've been swallowed up by it, all right?

1830
01:17:34.979 --> 01:17:35.640
Yeah.

1831
01:17:35.699 --> 01:17:39.420
Well, again, and it's Picard gets to deliver the line.

1832
01:17:39.479 --> 01:17:43.079
You know, I do think that they're, you know, their former prefect

1833
01:17:43.079 --> 01:17:46.979
or something being dragged, towed through the wormhole by one of

1834
01:17:46.979 --> 01:17:51.539
our runabouts. uh, you know, made them decide not to keep

1835
01:17:51.539 --> 01:17:52.319
climbing.

1836
01:17:52.380 --> 01:17:55.859
So funny, Nathan, isn't it, that they fought at this point that

1837
01:17:55.859 --> 01:17:58.079
the runabouts were an exciting design.

1838
01:17:58.140 --> 01:18:02.760
And it only takes them 2 years and they go, maybe we'll upgrade

1839
01:18:02.760 --> 01:18:04.260
this a bit to the defiant.

1840
01:18:04.319 --> 01:18:05.279
Yeah, yeah.

1841
01:18:05.340 --> 01:18:05.699
Yeah.

1842
01:18:05.760 --> 01:18:09.840
I mean, they use one in, in, uh, what's it, timescape, don't

1843
01:18:09.840 --> 01:18:10.020
they?

1844
01:18:10.079 --> 01:18:11.100
We do get to see one.

1845
01:18:11.159 --> 01:18:15.899
The greatest laugh you and I have ever howled out, and untitled

1846
01:18:15.899 --> 01:18:19.439
Star Trek project, was during the two-parter in season 5, um, in

1847
01:18:19.439 --> 01:18:21.479
Purgatory Shadow of Bayern Furno's Light.

1848
01:18:21.539 --> 01:18:24.239
At the end, you know, where they think there's going to be a big

1849
01:18:24.239 --> 01:18:27.960
battle and all the Romulan ships appear and then it cuts to ops

1850
01:18:27.960 --> 01:18:30.479
and Cisco goes, launch the runabouts.

1851
01:18:30.539 --> 01:18:33.840
Like, what the fuck are they going to do for God's sake?

1852
01:18:34.859 --> 01:18:38.579
They're like the canaries in the war, you know, send them in

1853
01:18:38.579 --> 01:18:38.880
first.

1854
01:18:38.939 --> 01:18:43.979
So this here's part of this thing where Cisco is explaining to

1855
01:18:43.979 --> 01:18:47.880
Prophet Jennifer about his relationship with Jennifer and why she

1856
01:18:47.880 --> 01:18:48.479
was important.

1857
01:18:48.539 --> 01:18:53.100
And there's that thing where he says, we can't go back in time to

1858
01:18:53.100 --> 01:18:58.619
get something we left behind or to get what we left behind.

1859
01:18:58.680 --> 01:18:59.340
Do you know what I mean?

1860
01:18:59.399 --> 01:19:03.180
Which is the a prefiguring of the final episode's title.

1861
01:19:03.239 --> 01:19:05.399
And she just goes, I can't believe it.

1862
01:19:05.399 --> 01:19:07.859
It's impossible that anyone...

1863
01:19:07.859 --> 01:19:10.680
We believe inconceivable that anyone could live like this.

1864
01:19:10.739 --> 01:19:11.699
And that's it.

1865
01:19:11.760 --> 01:19:12.119
It is.

1866
01:19:12.180 --> 01:19:13.079
Do you know what I mean?

1867
01:19:13.140 --> 01:19:16.439
Someone vanishes into your past and then they're gone forever.

1868
01:19:16.500 --> 01:19:19.260
It's inconceivable that anyone could live like that.

1869
01:19:19.319 --> 01:19:23.819
But we're also seeing these beautiful moments in Cisco's life as

1870
01:19:23.819 --> 01:19:24.060
well.

1871
01:19:24.119 --> 01:19:26.100
It's all great character building too.

1872
01:19:26.159 --> 01:19:30.000
When Jake, when they decided to have Jake, when Jake was born.

1873
01:19:30.060 --> 01:19:31.619
It's just fab.

1874
01:19:31.680 --> 01:19:34.619
Each day affects the nest.

1875
01:19:34.739 --> 01:19:37.920
Oh, I couldn't even start to begin describing a linear time to

1876
01:19:37.920 --> 01:19:39.060
somebody that doesn't understand it.

1877
01:19:39.119 --> 01:19:40.020
He does a great job.

1878
01:19:40.079 --> 01:19:41.939
Yeah, yeah, it's great.

1879
01:19:42.000 --> 01:19:43.859
And then looking across at them.

1880
01:19:43.920 --> 01:19:46.680
And I do like like both couples in the scene.

1881
01:19:46.739 --> 01:19:51.840
So the flashback couple of Cisco and Jennifer, in normal light, and

1882
01:19:51.840 --> 01:19:56.039
then we look across and we see the glowing gold version of them in

1883
01:19:56.039 --> 01:19:58.140
the background, we even pull focus between them.

1884
01:19:58.199 --> 01:19:59.340
It's really good.

1885
01:19:59.399 --> 01:20:02.340
So he's probably 18000000 here, can't you?

1886
01:20:02.399 --> 01:20:03.539
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1887
01:20:03.600 --> 01:20:07.739
But remember we discovered that he's taking them to these places.

1888
01:20:07.800 --> 01:20:10.380
You know, he says, why do you keep bringing me back here?

1889
01:20:10.380 --> 01:20:13.199
And they say, no, no, you're bringing us here.

1890
01:20:13.260 --> 01:20:17.939
Um, you know, so he, these are important times to him.

1891
01:20:18.000 --> 01:20:21.119
The reason that they're being shown to the prophets is not because

1892
01:20:21.119 --> 01:20:23.460
the prophets are choosing them and the kids.

1893
01:20:23.460 --> 01:20:24.420
How are performers here?

1894
01:20:24.420 --> 01:20:25.199
That's...

1895
01:20:25.199 --> 01:20:26.939
Where she touches a leap.

1896
01:20:27.000 --> 01:20:28.920
No, the real Jennifer.

1897
01:20:28.979 --> 01:20:34.199
And then you cut to the other one and it's just a little bit odd

1898
01:20:34.199 --> 01:20:35.579
and she's trying to understand.

1899
01:20:35.640 --> 01:20:36.960
It's so different isn't it?

1900
01:20:37.020 --> 01:20:37.859
Do you know what I mean?

1901
01:20:37.920 --> 01:20:41.279
We do that and he's stricken and she goes, what's the kiss about?

1902
01:20:41.340 --> 01:20:46.079
And then he explains it to her and then that comes back.

1903
01:20:46.140 --> 01:20:48.840
I think it's beautiful, but she doesn't say, what is this?

1904
01:20:48.899 --> 01:20:51.119
You just stop the human thing you call kissing.

1905
01:20:51.180 --> 01:20:55.140
But it is also like we do that when we watch people do things, we

1906
01:20:55.140 --> 01:20:55.920
imitate them.

1907
01:20:55.979 --> 01:20:56.640
Do you know what I mean?

1908
01:20:56.699 --> 01:20:59.520
We have those sort of mirror neurons that and we kind of we

1909
01:20:59.520 --> 01:21:03.720
imitate what people do, what we see people do.

1910
01:21:03.840 --> 01:21:05.640
Now we back here.

1911
01:21:05.699 --> 01:21:07.260
I like it when he gets angry.

1912
01:21:07.319 --> 01:21:10.079
What is the point of bringing me back here to this?

1913
01:21:10.140 --> 01:21:10.859
Yeah.

1914
01:21:10.859 --> 01:21:12.600
We don't bring you here.

1915
01:21:12.659 --> 01:21:13.500
You bring us here.

1916
01:21:13.560 --> 01:21:14.279
You bring us here.

1917
01:21:14.340 --> 01:21:17.880
I think it's really good He brings himself here all the time.

1918
01:21:18.000 --> 01:21:23.220
Could be quite pony, because it's it's, it is sort of um, Trek

1919
01:21:23.220 --> 01:21:27.539
Psych 101. using all of this visual metaphor for to show his

1920
01:21:27.539 --> 01:21:27.899
pain.

1921
01:21:27.960 --> 01:21:31.020
But I just think it's really delicately done.

1922
01:21:31.079 --> 01:21:32.340
I think so too.

1923
01:21:32.399 --> 01:21:33.060
This.

1924
01:21:33.119 --> 01:21:34.319
Why do you exist here?

1925
01:21:34.380 --> 01:21:35.880
And he thinks, what do you mean?

1926
01:21:35.939 --> 01:21:37.260
I lived through this.

1927
01:21:37.319 --> 01:21:38.159
I exist here.

1928
01:21:38.220 --> 01:21:40.140
You don't have linear time, but why exist here?

1929
01:21:40.199 --> 01:21:42.239
No, she says, no, you exist here.

1930
01:21:42.300 --> 01:21:44.039
This is where you exist.

1931
01:21:44.100 --> 01:21:47.340
Not that you were here at some and therefore it's part of your

1932
01:21:47.340 --> 01:21:48.479
linear existence.

1933
01:21:48.539 --> 01:21:49.920
This is where you live.

1934
01:21:49.979 --> 01:21:51.300
This is where you are.

1935
01:21:51.420 --> 01:21:55.680
And I do love her in the bikini stepping out of the shitty CGI

1936
01:21:55.680 --> 01:21:57.000
flame, isn't it?

1937
01:21:57.060 --> 01:21:57.300
Yeah.

1938
01:21:57.600 --> 01:22:01.319
Well, again, they're just like they're stressing the weirdness.

1939
01:22:01.380 --> 01:22:02.760
It is still Star Trek.

1940
01:22:02.880 --> 01:22:03.720
Yeah, yeah.

1941
01:22:03.779 --> 01:22:06.960
I know we're talking about feelings a lot, but it is still Star

1942
01:22:06.960 --> 01:22:07.380
Trek.

1943
01:22:08.579 --> 01:22:10.680
Oh, dear.

1944
01:22:10.739 --> 01:22:13.979
What are they attempting to do here in the runabout?

1945
01:22:14.039 --> 01:22:16.140
Oh, this is where the wormhole blows up, isn't it?

1946
01:22:16.199 --> 01:22:16.859
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1947
01:22:16.920 --> 01:22:20.460
Are they just going to get Cisco and that's it, really?

1948
01:22:20.520 --> 01:22:21.539
They're going to rescue him?

1949
01:22:21.659 --> 01:22:24.119
Odo's face. my god.

1950
01:22:24.779 --> 01:22:29.279
Yeah, I just think that slathering extra makeup on was a bad

1951
01:22:29.279 --> 01:22:29.880
idea.

1952
01:22:29.939 --> 01:22:32.460
Well, Nana, you're in charge of the show now.

1953
01:22:32.520 --> 01:22:34.739
Yeah, yeah, he's in a thing.

1954
01:22:35.520 --> 01:22:39.840
And and so something is harming them, but then that goes away in a

1955
01:22:39.840 --> 01:22:43.380
line of dialogue at the end in the captain's commander's log or

1956
01:22:43.380 --> 01:22:43.619
whatever.

1957
01:22:43.680 --> 01:22:46.319
Yes, we were sort of dismiss that, don't we?

1958
01:22:46.380 --> 01:22:49.020
It's a bit like the force of nature twist.

1959
01:22:49.079 --> 01:22:49.920
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1960
01:22:49.979 --> 01:22:50.819
We don't want to do that.

1961
01:22:50.880 --> 01:22:53.699
We don't want us to be stuck of...

1962
01:22:54.420 --> 01:22:56.279
We want people to go back and forth through the passage.

1963
01:22:56.340 --> 01:22:58.859
You know, that's why we have it there.

1964
01:22:58.920 --> 01:22:59.819
Do you know what I mean?

1965
01:22:59.880 --> 01:23:02.579
Like, that's it's bringing aliens to us.

1966
01:23:02.699 --> 01:23:06.779
You have no responsibility for the consequences of your actions.

1967
01:23:06.840 --> 01:23:11.640
No, but then he explains because how we do that because they say

1968
01:23:11.640 --> 01:23:13.920
how do you take responsibility for your actions?

1969
01:23:13.979 --> 01:23:19.260
And he kind of goes, well, we see patterns and we and we judge

1970
01:23:19.260 --> 01:23:22.319
what likely consequences are, but we also accept there could be

1971
01:23:22.319 --> 01:23:23.220
any consequence.

1972
01:23:23.279 --> 01:23:26.100
I had never, ever thought about time like that.

1973
01:23:26.159 --> 01:23:29.279
Like, I can still, I know I keep going back to me at 13.

1974
01:23:29.460 --> 01:23:33.720
I just never thought I'd never seen it explained in such an

1975
01:23:33.720 --> 01:23:36.840
interesting way and I don't know, it was just making me look at

1976
01:23:36.840 --> 01:23:39.899
things. was revolutionising how my brain was working.

1977
01:23:39.960 --> 01:23:42.960
That may sound like hyperbole, but there we are.

1978
01:23:43.020 --> 01:23:45.600
No, because when you're a kid, you haven't made any big

1979
01:23:45.600 --> 01:23:46.319
decisions.

1980
01:23:46.439 --> 01:23:48.239
You know, you don't get to make...

1981
01:23:48.359 --> 01:23:48.899
Excuse me?

1982
01:23:48.960 --> 01:23:52.739
I have to choose between the turtles, cards and the Doctor Who

1983
01:23:52.739 --> 01:23:53.579
cards, all right?

1984
01:23:53.640 --> 01:23:54.960
yeah that is pretty rough.

1985
01:23:55.020 --> 01:23:55.500
Okay.

1986
01:23:55.560 --> 01:23:56.460
I love this.

1987
01:23:56.520 --> 01:23:57.119
Okay.

1988
01:23:57.180 --> 01:23:59.699
And one of the reasons that I love it, one of the things that I

1989
01:23:59.699 --> 01:24:03.060
think they do the right thing is make the baseball mid-20th

1990
01:24:03.060 --> 01:24:09.239
century so that it reads like the past to us as well as reading

1991
01:24:09.239 --> 01:24:11.699
like the past to Cisco.

1992
01:24:11.760 --> 01:24:15.060
So rather than, you know, having in a baseball team in the 1990s

1993
01:24:15.060 --> 01:24:17.579
that we interact with, look at what everyone's wearing, look at

1994
01:24:17.579 --> 01:24:20.939
the truck in the background, everything's, it's like the 1950s or

1995
01:24:20.939 --> 01:24:22.920
something and they're picking the things out.

1996
01:24:22.979 --> 01:24:25.079
I never noticed the cars in the background before.

1997
01:24:25.140 --> 01:24:26.279
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1998
01:24:26.340 --> 01:24:28.739
So it's early.

1999
01:24:28.859 --> 01:24:30.300
David, I've watched this a lot.

2000
01:24:30.359 --> 01:24:32.699
But I love that.

2001
01:24:32.760 --> 01:24:35.039
I think that's always a really good choice and this show does that

2002
01:24:35.039 --> 01:24:35.699
quite a bit.

2003
01:24:35.760 --> 01:24:40.920
I think, you know, making the early 20th century the past so that

2004
01:24:40.920 --> 01:24:42.899
we get to enjoy it as the past as well.

2005
01:24:42.960 --> 01:24:47.039
But also, I just think baseball's a brilliant, as a brilliant

2006
01:24:47.039 --> 01:24:48.180
metaphor.

2007
01:24:48.239 --> 01:24:49.079
They never let it go.

2008
01:24:49.140 --> 01:24:50.699
It's so great.

2009
01:24:50.760 --> 01:24:54.779
It's Narise, do you want to come to a baseball game with me in an

2010
01:24:54.779 --> 01:24:56.640
episode where he nearly dies in her arms?

2011
01:24:56.699 --> 01:25:00.840
It's so lock and the 9 are fighting against each other.

2012
01:25:00.899 --> 01:25:02.039
Do you know what I mean?

2013
01:25:02.100 --> 01:25:06.300
It's he leaves the baseball at the end of a call to arms to say

2014
01:25:06.300 --> 01:25:07.260
he's coming back.

2015
01:25:07.319 --> 01:25:08.340
You know what I mean?

2016
01:25:08.399 --> 01:25:10.380
There's stuff here that they never, ever let go of.

2017
01:25:10.439 --> 01:25:15.479
But you see how animated he is by the baseball thing because he

2018
01:25:15.479 --> 01:25:19.380
really likes it, but you also see him discovering what he's saying

2019
01:25:19.380 --> 01:25:19.920
to them.

2020
01:25:19.979 --> 01:25:23.760
I don't think he knows going in what he's saying to them, but here

2021
01:25:23.760 --> 01:25:27.239
he is in the baseball diamond and he gets to explain the game.

2022
01:25:27.300 --> 01:25:29.460
And so Jake asked that question.

2023
01:25:29.520 --> 01:25:31.560
He goes, that might be the most important thing to understand

2024
01:25:31.560 --> 01:25:32.520
about humans.

2025
01:25:32.640 --> 01:25:34.380
We don't know the future.

2026
01:25:34.439 --> 01:25:36.119
That's why we explore.

2027
01:25:36.180 --> 01:25:39.300
And that's why we create TV shows like this.

2028
01:25:39.359 --> 01:25:43.020
And that's why we decide to propose to a beautiful woman.

2029
01:25:43.079 --> 01:25:45.000
You know, like it's so good.

2030
01:25:45.119 --> 01:25:46.260
It's so good.

2031
01:25:46.260 --> 01:25:49.319
He smiles and throws the baseball in the air and goes, because

2032
01:25:49.319 --> 01:25:50.100
it's linear.

2033
01:25:50.159 --> 01:25:53.399
Yeah, he's like, I could tie all this together.

2034
01:25:53.460 --> 01:25:54.600
Yeah, yeah.

2035
01:25:54.659 --> 01:25:55.560
But he gets it.

2036
01:25:55.619 --> 01:25:58.439
He's learning, you know, he's learning and he's learning to reach

2037
01:25:58.439 --> 01:26:01.140
out to them in a very traditional Star Trek way.

2038
01:26:01.199 --> 01:26:05.220
And I love the shot of the man there, the baseball guy

2039
01:26:05.220 --> 01:26:08.699
understanding when he's saying we're not a threat to you is like

2040
01:26:08.699 --> 01:26:08.939
okay.

2041
01:26:09.000 --> 01:26:09.720
Yeah.

2042
01:26:09.720 --> 01:26:10.260
All right.

2043
01:26:10.319 --> 01:26:11.340
Maybe we can make this one.

2044
01:26:11.399 --> 01:26:12.239
Of course, we know now.

2045
01:26:12.300 --> 01:26:14.460
And the future, well, the profit's planned all this all along.

2046
01:26:14.520 --> 01:26:15.779
They're responsible for his birth.

2047
01:26:15.840 --> 01:26:18.420
Yeah, that's a little bit of a cheat, isn't it?

2048
01:26:18.479 --> 01:26:18.899
Oh, well.

2049
01:26:18.960 --> 01:26:19.739
Oh, that's okay.

2050
01:26:19.800 --> 01:26:21.359
Nathan, they're not linear, you know.

2051
01:26:21.420 --> 01:26:22.500
Yes, so.

2052
01:26:23.880 --> 01:26:26.039
Aye, aye, aye.

2053
01:26:26.100 --> 01:26:28.800
And there's something about the...

2054
01:26:28.920 --> 01:26:30.840
Oh, anyway, where are we now?

2055
01:26:30.899 --> 01:26:36.720
Oh, so we're now at the wormhole, um, and this is this is Kira

2056
01:26:36.720 --> 01:26:37.800
giving the thing, is it?

2057
01:26:37.859 --> 01:26:39.479
That's right.

2058
01:26:39.539 --> 01:26:40.920
Oh, and the Cardassians are here.

2059
01:26:40.979 --> 01:26:43.260
They're demanding to know where Gold Dakar is.

2060
01:26:43.319 --> 01:26:45.899
So this going close up on Sid for some reason.

2061
01:26:47.520 --> 01:26:49.739
He's in TNG, isn't he?

2062
01:26:49.800 --> 01:26:51.239
He's in a couple of episodes, TNG.

2063
01:26:51.300 --> 01:26:52.619
Is he?

2064
01:26:52.680 --> 01:26:53.880
I think so.

2065
01:26:53.939 --> 01:26:54.600
Well the actor is.

2066
01:26:54.659 --> 01:26:57.659
I think he's the same actor who played Gullivic.

2067
01:26:57.720 --> 01:26:58.500
Gullivic.

2068
01:26:58.560 --> 01:26:59.220
He's great.

2069
01:26:59.279 --> 01:27:00.479
I think he is fantastic.

2070
01:27:00.539 --> 01:27:02.460
He's really properly good, I think.

2071
01:27:02.939 --> 01:27:05.819
Yeah, he's always a little bit campus, right?

2072
01:27:05.880 --> 01:27:06.600
We do like a camp.

2073
01:27:06.659 --> 01:27:07.199
Yeah, exactly.

2074
01:27:07.260 --> 01:27:08.640
Well, I mean, they're all a bit camp.

2075
01:27:08.699 --> 01:27:10.380
I mean, Marco Lemo is pretty camp.

2076
01:27:10.380 --> 01:27:12.479
He goes later on.

2077
01:27:12.539 --> 01:27:15.479
We demand your immediate surrender.

2078
01:27:17.399 --> 01:27:21.060
Oh, shit, the whips are coming out when they're on board.

2079
01:27:21.119 --> 01:27:22.739
Get out of the phases, everyone.

2080
01:27:23.579 --> 01:27:27.300
And so the 2 women are in charge. which is pretty great.

2081
01:27:27.359 --> 01:27:29.399
I think that's pretty good Yes.

2082
01:27:29.460 --> 01:27:32.939
You couldn't imagine Troy and Beverly Crusher doing this, could

2083
01:27:32.939 --> 01:27:33.300
you?

2084
01:27:33.359 --> 01:27:35.220
See that's a bit of a shame, isn't it?

2085
01:27:35.880 --> 01:27:37.500
Whoops.

2086
01:27:39.960 --> 01:27:42.359
Oh, you couldn't imagine.

2087
01:27:42.420 --> 01:27:46.260
Oh, there is a line, actually, in covenant in series 7, where um

2088
01:27:46.260 --> 01:27:47.579
Asri goes to Kira.

2089
01:27:47.640 --> 01:27:49.920
You know, you'd be a pretty great counsellor.

2090
01:27:49.979 --> 01:27:51.600
And Kira goes, are you kidding me?

2091
01:27:51.659 --> 01:27:52.979
You dreamt about what?

2092
01:27:53.039 --> 01:27:54.300
Get out of my office.

2093
01:27:56.640 --> 01:27:59.880
Now, those are the canceller sessions I want to see.

2094
01:28:01.619 --> 01:28:03.899
Oh, shit in hell.

2095
01:28:03.960 --> 01:28:05.159
Is this where she surrenders?

2096
01:28:05.220 --> 01:28:07.140
No, no, that's right at the end.

2097
01:28:07.199 --> 01:28:08.100
That's right at the end.

2098
01:28:08.159 --> 01:28:09.300
We're still some distance away.

2099
01:28:09.359 --> 01:28:12.479
We're about 15 minutes from the end, but it does look like a great

2100
01:28:12.479 --> 01:28:13.199
moment, though, isn't it?

2101
01:28:13.260 --> 01:28:14.939
Yeah, she sells this as well.

2102
01:28:15.000 --> 01:28:18.899
And then suddenly we, uh, that's when Cisco appears through the

2103
01:28:18.899 --> 01:28:19.979
through the wormhole.

2104
01:28:20.039 --> 01:28:23.520
I need a day to make preparations is pretty great.

2105
01:28:23.640 --> 01:28:26.340
No, he goes, oh, just open the airlocks.

2106
01:28:26.399 --> 01:28:27.000
We'll come in.

2107
01:28:27.060 --> 01:28:27.600
You'll be all right.

2108
01:28:27.659 --> 01:28:28.800
You don't understand.

2109
01:28:28.859 --> 01:28:31.140
You broke all the airlocks when you left.

2110
01:28:31.199 --> 01:28:33.000
You have one hour.

2111
01:28:33.060 --> 01:28:35.100
That's really good, isn't it?

2112
01:28:35.159 --> 01:28:35.819
Whoops.

2113
01:28:36.119 --> 01:28:41.460
And you know, he accidentally turned the screen off, but the other

2114
01:28:41.460 --> 01:28:44.699
line, you said, at the end of that was until I make you scream

2115
01:28:44.699 --> 01:28:47.640
with deaths of pleasure or something like that, you know.

2116
01:28:47.699 --> 01:28:49.020
Very camp.

2117
01:28:50.699 --> 01:28:52.619
So what are we doing?

2118
01:28:52.680 --> 01:28:55.380
So we're doing lots of space stuff here at this point, but we left

2119
01:28:55.380 --> 01:28:58.920
Cisco back in his quarters on the Saratoga.

2120
01:28:58.979 --> 01:29:01.739
Well, we need to see them working together, right?

2121
01:29:01.800 --> 01:29:04.859
We need to see how this will be a Star Trek crew solving

2122
01:29:04.859 --> 01:29:05.520
problems.

2123
01:29:05.579 --> 01:29:08.520
It's a bit of an issue in encounter a far point because everyone

2124
01:29:08.520 --> 01:29:13.079
just stands around whilst those 2 big jellyfish flow up into the

2125
01:29:13.079 --> 01:29:14.640
sky and no one really does anything.

2126
01:29:14.699 --> 01:29:19.199
So, and it is a fairly, like, it's a fairly, like, I mean, the

2127
01:29:19.199 --> 01:29:20.579
jellyfish thing is weird.

2128
01:29:20.699 --> 01:29:21.479
Do you know what I mean?

2129
01:29:21.539 --> 01:29:22.500
And the queue thing is weird.

2130
01:29:22.619 --> 01:29:24.119
Like it's Star Trek being weird.

2131
01:29:24.180 --> 01:29:27.359
Here we are establishing, well, like we've already established a

2132
01:29:27.359 --> 01:29:29.760
version of Star Trek, which is about sort of space battles between

2133
01:29:29.760 --> 01:29:34.680
rival empires or whatever, and we've seen that in TNG, and that's

2134
01:29:34.680 --> 01:29:36.960
worked very well, all that Klingon stuff in particular.

2135
01:29:37.079 --> 01:29:40.439
The Cardassians are introduced to be someone different, but

2136
01:29:40.439 --> 01:29:42.119
they've been introduced really well.

2137
01:29:42.180 --> 01:29:44.579
We've just had chain of command too, haven't we?

2138
01:29:44.640 --> 01:29:45.960
That sort of beefs them up.

2139
01:29:46.619 --> 01:29:48.479
Oh, here we go.

2140
01:29:48.539 --> 01:29:49.140
Here we go.

2141
01:29:49.199 --> 01:29:51.479
Yeah, so why are you bringing me back?

2142
01:29:51.539 --> 01:29:52.619
Why have you brought me back?

2143
01:29:52.680 --> 01:29:54.300
And this is this is it?

2144
01:29:54.420 --> 01:29:55.859
The moment where we realise.

2145
01:29:56.100 --> 01:29:59.640
Jesus, Nathan, I know what my moment would be if this was

2146
01:29:59.640 --> 01:30:01.260
happening to me, you know?

2147
01:30:01.319 --> 01:30:04.079
the day my mum went, it would literally be that.

2148
01:30:04.140 --> 01:30:05.279
I would be playing that out.

2149
01:30:05.340 --> 01:30:07.439
I don't know if I ever left that moment, if I'm honest.

2150
01:30:07.500 --> 01:30:09.600
Yeah, well, I don't think you do.

2151
01:30:09.659 --> 01:30:11.399
I don't think people do, you know.

2152
01:30:11.880 --> 01:30:14.520
Look for solutions from within.

2153
01:30:14.579 --> 01:30:16.680
And that's O Parker doing the same thing.

2154
01:30:16.739 --> 01:30:18.060
I think it's really good.

2155
01:30:18.119 --> 01:30:20.100
I think it's really great. look at them.

2156
01:30:20.159 --> 01:30:22.380
And then die.

2157
01:30:22.439 --> 01:30:23.039
What is this?

2158
01:30:23.039 --> 01:30:24.539
and doesn't Jennifer explain it?

2159
01:30:24.779 --> 01:30:30.300
That's a big lot of Star Trek command. explains what death is

2160
01:30:30.300 --> 01:30:32.220
because she's learnt it from Cisco.

2161
01:30:32.279 --> 01:30:34.680
I was ready to die with her.

2162
01:30:34.739 --> 01:30:36.420
That's a big line, I think.

2163
01:30:36.479 --> 01:30:39.659
And look, she touches him because he's distressed.

2164
01:30:39.720 --> 01:30:43.500
She remembers what he said about touch before, and she's touching

2165
01:30:43.500 --> 01:30:48.960
his face to explore it, but also because she knows how she she

2166
01:30:48.960 --> 01:30:50.640
understands what his last year is.

2167
01:30:50.699 --> 01:30:52.199
It's really good.

2168
01:30:52.739 --> 01:30:55.380
The camera swings around on Cisco.

2169
01:30:55.500 --> 01:30:56.100
The scene from the start.

2170
01:30:56.159 --> 01:30:58.439
I think you stand it. really well done.

2171
01:30:58.500 --> 01:30:59.220
It's really good.

2172
01:30:59.279 --> 01:31:00.840
Yeah, I never left this ship.

2173
01:31:00.899 --> 01:31:04.859
And then she says, you exist here.

2174
01:31:04.920 --> 01:31:06.119
It's really good, isn't it?

2175
01:31:06.180 --> 01:31:08.760
It's the tour, I can't discover it together.

2176
01:31:08.819 --> 01:31:10.800
This whole bit now.

2177
01:31:12.060 --> 01:31:15.060
It's when it, it's when it goes over to her body.

2178
01:31:15.060 --> 01:31:17.220
Oh, no, she's decorously presented there.

2179
01:31:17.279 --> 01:31:20.340
But he's so raw in this scene.

2180
01:31:20.399 --> 01:31:24.600
He is an actor that isn't afraid to just let go and do it.

2181
01:31:24.659 --> 01:31:27.840
Yeah, and he's really good here, this name.

2182
01:31:27.840 --> 01:31:30.720
He's got tears streaming down his face by the end of the scene.

2183
01:31:33.779 --> 01:31:34.199
Fuck.

2184
01:31:34.260 --> 01:31:36.359
Every time I close my eyes.

2185
01:31:36.479 --> 01:31:37.260
Yeah.

2186
01:31:37.260 --> 01:31:38.220
Yeah.

2187
01:31:38.279 --> 01:31:42.779
It's um, it just his seconds a moment away from this at any

2188
01:31:42.779 --> 01:31:42.960
point.

2189
01:31:43.020 --> 01:31:45.180
It's true, you know, it's true.

2190
01:31:45.300 --> 01:31:48.899
Like, I just said about, well, for years afterwards, I saw that

2191
01:31:48.899 --> 01:31:52.920
moment of her death for years when I was going to bed in the

2192
01:31:52.920 --> 01:31:53.159
dark.

2193
01:31:53.220 --> 01:31:56.880
Like this stuff is, it is properly profound, I think.

2194
01:31:56.939 --> 01:32:00.720
It is genuinely saying something about traumatic moments in your

2195
01:32:00.720 --> 01:32:00.899
life.

2196
01:32:00.960 --> 01:32:02.220
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

2197
01:32:02.279 --> 01:32:02.640
Yeah.

2198
01:32:02.699 --> 01:32:04.680
Oh, Avery.

2199
01:32:04.800 --> 01:32:09.779
And look at just the compassion on Jennifer's face there too.

2200
01:32:09.840 --> 01:32:11.520
That's the singer.

2201
01:32:11.579 --> 01:32:12.779
It's not linear.

2202
01:32:12.840 --> 01:32:14.880
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's not linear.

2203
01:32:14.939 --> 01:32:16.739
Now, he's really a line.

2204
01:32:16.800 --> 01:32:18.479
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

2205
01:32:18.539 --> 01:32:19.140
Yeah.

2206
01:32:19.199 --> 01:32:21.180
Well, it's still Star Trek, you know.

2207
01:32:21.239 --> 01:32:22.020
Yeah, well that's right.

2208
01:32:22.079 --> 01:32:22.439
That's right.

2209
01:32:22.800 --> 01:32:25.680
Oh, and he looks up at oh, Pucker.

2210
01:32:25.739 --> 01:32:29.760
Yeah, again, you know, and because that is Arrow Parker, she said

2211
01:32:29.760 --> 01:32:35.220
the same thing that O Parker says as well, that is some incredible

2212
01:32:35.220 --> 01:32:35.640
acting.

2213
01:32:35.699 --> 01:32:37.680
That is great. acting from Avery.

2214
01:32:41.159 --> 01:32:42.840
Yeah, goodness me.

2215
01:32:42.899 --> 01:32:43.439
There we go.

2216
01:32:43.500 --> 01:32:47.399
Yeah, I mean, I don't often get moved watching telly, but he has

2217
01:32:47.399 --> 01:32:48.119
the ability.

2218
01:32:48.180 --> 01:32:49.680
He does it a couple of times in the run.

2219
01:32:49.800 --> 01:32:52.439
Yeah, like in Far Beyond the Stars.

2220
01:32:52.500 --> 01:32:53.579
Oh, fuck.

2221
01:32:53.699 --> 01:32:54.479
That's worst.

2222
01:32:54.539 --> 01:32:56.159
That's even worse than this.

2223
01:32:56.220 --> 01:32:57.779
I'm a mess watching that.

2224
01:33:00.119 --> 01:33:03.000
Is this what she says, fire the beam.

2225
01:33:03.060 --> 01:33:04.319
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

2226
01:33:04.380 --> 01:33:04.859
No, no.

2227
01:33:04.920 --> 01:33:07.619
It's like, is it the 6 torpedoes?

2228
01:33:07.680 --> 01:33:09.840
Like, let's give them our answer.

2229
01:33:09.899 --> 01:33:14.880
Um, five, 6 torpedoes and he says we only have 6 torpedoes.

2230
01:33:14.939 --> 01:33:17.939
We're not going to win this with torpedoes, chief.

2231
01:33:18.000 --> 01:33:21.300
And the smile, that smile is so great.

2232
01:33:21.359 --> 01:33:24.420
It's a well-framed shot and that's a beautifully delivered lady.

2233
01:33:24.479 --> 01:33:25.500
They're built in.

2234
01:33:25.619 --> 01:33:27.060
A crew here.

2235
01:33:27.119 --> 01:33:28.439
I think we need.

2236
01:33:28.560 --> 01:33:30.960
Maybe we need to see that she's going to work together with

2237
01:33:30.960 --> 01:33:34.260
everyone because she was prickly in the 1st half of the episode.

2238
01:33:34.319 --> 01:33:36.779
Fuck, do you remember when Move Along Home.

2239
01:33:36.840 --> 01:33:39.659
We were just baffled at how aggressive she was in that, weren't

2240
01:33:39.659 --> 01:33:39.840
we?

2241
01:33:39.899 --> 01:33:40.979
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

2242
01:33:41.039 --> 01:33:42.119
Like we'd gone back a step.

2243
01:33:42.180 --> 01:33:44.819
This is not what I signed up for.

2244
01:33:46.439 --> 01:33:48.659
Oh, just side slow.

2245
01:33:48.720 --> 01:33:50.039
Well, come.

2246
01:33:50.100 --> 01:33:51.420
This is your answer.

2247
01:33:51.899 --> 01:33:57.840
But I also like, I also like O'Brien kind of goes, yeah, all right

2248
01:33:57.840 --> 01:33:58.380
I'm in.

2249
01:33:58.500 --> 01:34:04.140
I reckon I can give you a plasma burst, like a phaser burst, you

2250
01:34:04.140 --> 01:34:07.260
know, or I could probably do you another phase of it because he's

2251
01:34:07.260 --> 01:34:09.060
kind of on board with what she's doing.

2252
01:34:09.239 --> 01:34:13.920
This is such a cheesy light and she sells the fuck out of it.

2253
01:34:14.039 --> 01:34:15.960
It's also a good line.

2254
01:34:16.020 --> 01:34:20.880
Like, it is a cheesy line, but it is also a kind of like, I am not

2255
01:34:20.880 --> 01:34:24.539
the sort of person that you are used to dealing with because I

2256
01:34:24.539 --> 01:34:26.579
will behave like I have nothing to lose.

2257
01:34:26.640 --> 01:34:31.500
You know, like, like, I'm not going to be entirely rational here.

2258
01:34:31.560 --> 01:34:34.560
And her journey with the Kardashians.

2259
01:34:34.619 --> 01:34:39.420
That's another great threat for our dance 9 that reaps.

2260
01:34:39.420 --> 01:34:41.520
Yeah, there's astonishing dramatic rewards.

2261
01:34:41.579 --> 01:34:41.819
Yeah.

2262
01:34:42.899 --> 01:34:46.020
The one with Gamore that we did 2nd skin.

2263
01:34:46.079 --> 01:34:48.420
You know, great episodes.

2264
01:34:48.720 --> 01:34:52.680
Yeah, here we go. 4 on sale, Shields and...

2265
01:34:52.739 --> 01:34:53.699
Shadows and stuff.

2266
01:34:53.760 --> 01:34:58.140
And that's what someone says that we have on the ship in, um, in

2267
01:34:58.140 --> 01:35:00.600
way of the warrior, but it turns out, no, we've just got a fucked

2268
01:35:00.600 --> 01:35:04.079
on, if I'm, you know, like a little gum.

2269
01:35:04.140 --> 01:35:05.880
I know how you've got a thing for Cardassians.

2270
01:35:05.939 --> 01:35:07.199
I think that one's quite handsome there.

2271
01:35:07.319 --> 01:35:09.000
Look, the one standing in the thing for Kardassian.

2272
01:35:09.060 --> 01:35:10.260
What do I think for Cardassians?

2273
01:35:10.319 --> 01:35:11.939
You do, Casey Beaks?

2274
01:35:12.000 --> 01:35:14.100
You was musting all over him before?

2275
01:35:14.159 --> 01:35:15.840
There's been a few, actually.

2276
01:35:15.899 --> 01:35:17.939
Actually, and a few Gemadars as well.

2277
01:35:18.060 --> 01:35:20.880
There's a couple of hot Klingons, I think.

2278
01:35:20.939 --> 01:35:23.579
No, there was a time with the ball queen too.

2279
01:35:23.640 --> 01:35:24.779
I'm just getting worried.

2280
01:35:24.779 --> 01:35:26.640
She's sexy, but she's not really my type.

2281
01:35:26.640 --> 01:35:27.359
Are you sure?

2282
01:35:27.359 --> 01:35:28.979
But I can see why she's...

2283
01:35:29.039 --> 01:35:30.359
Yeah.

2284
01:35:30.359 --> 01:35:31.680
Yes.

2285
01:35:31.739 --> 01:35:35.220
Not one overall, a corpse of a woman, no.

2286
01:35:36.600 --> 01:35:39.300
Leave it to Fraser Gregory, please.

2287
01:35:40.680 --> 01:35:44.880
Oh, what did what did Bashir say then when she went too late for a

2288
01:35:44.880 --> 01:35:45.899
victory celebration?

2289
01:35:45.960 --> 01:35:46.739
Is that when he went?

2290
01:35:46.800 --> 01:35:47.159
Yes.

2291
01:35:48.539 --> 01:35:50.699
Oh, they're moving away.

2292
01:35:50.760 --> 01:35:51.239
That's why.

2293
01:35:51.300 --> 01:35:53.100
Yeah, yeah. because they're going to fight.

2294
01:35:53.220 --> 01:35:55.439
And this is the point where he says, I'll give you a, I'll give

2295
01:35:55.439 --> 01:35:57.659
you a thing.

2296
01:35:57.720 --> 01:36:00.659
The reason why this really affected me when I was younger.

2297
01:36:00.720 --> 01:36:03.600
I was like, my God, the promenade was such a mess earlier.

2298
01:36:03.659 --> 01:36:04.680
They've just cleaned it all up.

2299
01:36:04.739 --> 01:36:06.479
Now it's going to explode again.

2300
01:36:06.720 --> 01:36:08.220
Every week.

2301
01:36:08.279 --> 01:36:12.479
It's a proper explosion where there's huge sheets of metal flying

2302
01:36:12.479 --> 01:36:14.880
up in the air and everyone...

2303
01:36:14.939 --> 01:36:19.260
And when Odo stops to help that lady.

2304
01:36:19.319 --> 01:36:22.920
The blood on her is really, yeah, yeah, yeah. quite visceral.

2305
01:36:22.979 --> 01:36:27.600
I think all of that just happens to give Julian his hero moment.

2306
01:36:27.659 --> 01:36:31.140
And so we get to see him being the competent doctor that he claims

2307
01:36:31.140 --> 01:36:32.399
he is with Kira.

2308
01:36:32.460 --> 01:36:35.100
You know, we need to see him do a doctory thing.

2309
01:36:35.159 --> 01:36:36.600
And so that's why we have this attack.

2310
01:36:36.659 --> 01:36:39.060
Oh my god, look, the ceiling's falling down.

2311
01:36:39.119 --> 01:36:40.140
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

2312
01:36:40.140 --> 01:36:41.460
That guy.

2313
01:36:41.520 --> 01:36:42.960
Oh, no.

2314
01:36:42.960 --> 01:36:45.960
Eddie Rocks?

2315
01:36:46.020 --> 01:36:47.100
Lamp exploded.

2316
01:36:47.159 --> 01:36:49.380
No, that guy flew across the thing, though.

2317
01:36:49.500 --> 01:36:52.079
Oh, it's just like the fella falling off the promenade in Way of

2318
01:36:52.079 --> 01:36:52.500
the Warrior.

2319
01:36:52.560 --> 01:36:53.159
Oh, look at that.

2320
01:36:53.340 --> 01:36:56.279
I think that there's some of those explosions.

2321
01:36:56.340 --> 01:36:59.640
One of the things about watching this was for years and years, the

2322
01:36:59.640 --> 01:37:04.500
Star Trek videos had the trailer for this, remember, at the

2323
01:37:04.500 --> 01:37:05.340
beginning of them?

2324
01:37:05.399 --> 01:37:10.380
Uh, and you would see like Odo uh, reforming from being a bag and

2325
01:37:10.380 --> 01:37:15.720
you would see, uh, you know, you would see the hero moment with

2326
01:37:15.720 --> 01:37:19.739
Avery appearing in the in the lift or whatever, um, and you would

2327
01:37:19.739 --> 01:37:22.140
see the explosions on the promenade, you know.

2328
01:37:22.260 --> 01:37:23.399
It's really excited every week.

2329
01:37:23.460 --> 01:37:24.060
We promise.

2330
01:37:24.119 --> 01:37:28.020
This is quite simply the journey you are always destined to take

2331
01:37:28.020 --> 01:37:28.739
commander.

2332
01:37:28.800 --> 01:37:29.279
You know that?

2333
01:37:29.340 --> 01:37:30.239
Was that in there?

2334
01:37:30.300 --> 01:37:31.800
Oh, yeah, yeah, of course it was.

2335
01:37:31.859 --> 01:37:36.300
I remember there's Avery going, you don't know what you're missing

2336
01:37:36.359 --> 01:37:37.560
in one of them.

2337
01:37:39.359 --> 01:37:41.279
Oh, I love as well.

2338
01:37:41.340 --> 01:37:45.000
Odo, who's been so gruff and dismissive now is terrified that he's

2339
01:37:45.000 --> 01:37:46.140
got to administer 1st aid.

2340
01:37:46.199 --> 01:37:47.939
That's good too, isn't it?

2341
01:37:48.000 --> 01:37:53.039
And again, he's more competent and more on top of things than Odo

2342
01:37:53.039 --> 01:37:55.020
is in this situation, which is really good.

2343
01:37:55.020 --> 01:37:58.199
And of course, Odo being uncomfortable with situations is a thing

2344
01:37:58.199 --> 01:38:00.359
that happens quite a lot, you know, going forward.

2345
01:38:00.479 --> 01:38:03.300
O'Brien and the pet and climbing out.

2346
01:38:03.359 --> 01:38:06.539
Like it's simple, but it's more interesting than looking at that

2347
01:38:06.539 --> 01:38:07.079
bridge set.

2348
01:38:07.140 --> 01:38:08.220
Yeah, absolutely.

2349
01:38:09.420 --> 01:38:13.739
And, you know, they do manage some dynamism in Voyagers Bridge set

2350
01:38:13.739 --> 01:38:17.100
but it is effectively the same layout, just better lit, right?

2351
01:38:17.159 --> 01:38:18.000
There she is.

2352
01:38:18.060 --> 01:38:19.319
She's about to surrender.

2353
01:38:19.380 --> 01:38:22.439
You saw her collecting herself and looking down and breathing in

2354
01:38:22.439 --> 01:38:24.420
and stuff and then Dax interrupts.

2355
01:38:24.479 --> 01:38:26.760
A huge neutrino disturbance.

2356
01:38:26.819 --> 01:38:28.380
Yeah, well we know what that means.

2357
01:38:28.439 --> 01:38:31.439
Couldn't have just gone, what the fuck does that mean?

2358
01:38:31.500 --> 01:38:32.640
No, she knows.

2359
01:38:35.340 --> 01:38:38.340
Hail, the lead sheep and get out.

2360
01:38:38.399 --> 01:38:39.600
Yeah, now she's winning.

2361
01:38:41.279 --> 01:38:43.439
Smock is awesome.

2362
01:38:43.500 --> 01:38:45.840
That's a great show.

2363
01:38:45.899 --> 01:38:49.079
It's not quite as good as that bit in Shadows and Simples, though

2364
01:38:49.140 --> 01:38:50.640
when the wormhole appeared there?

2365
01:38:50.699 --> 01:38:51.960
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

2366
01:38:52.140 --> 01:38:54.899
And she said, right, signal all the ships. we're staying in the

2367
01:38:54.899 --> 01:39:00.300
blockade we're not backing down She is cool as hell, Shakira.

2368
01:39:00.359 --> 01:39:01.020
This is wonderful.

2369
01:39:01.079 --> 01:39:02.279
Just superb.

2370
01:39:02.340 --> 01:39:05.880
Oh, no, but we looks very relaxing. doesn't he, Avery?

2371
01:39:05.939 --> 01:39:06.960
He's very chill.

2372
01:39:07.020 --> 01:39:09.479
He's at all of my personal issues.

2373
01:39:09.539 --> 01:39:10.560
Yes exactly.

2374
01:39:10.619 --> 01:39:12.119
What's that?

2375
01:39:12.119 --> 01:39:13.979
Tell Counsellor Troy she's out of a job.

2376
01:39:14.039 --> 01:39:15.840
Everyone's going to the profits now.

2377
01:39:15.899 --> 01:39:16.979
That's right.

2378
01:39:17.399 --> 01:39:20.159
She's been replaced by a wormhole.

2379
01:39:20.220 --> 01:39:22.619
Yeah, this, like this shot, I think.

2380
01:39:22.680 --> 01:39:24.119
Oh, those doors.

2381
01:39:24.180 --> 01:39:26.039
That was one of the best movies as well.

2382
01:39:26.100 --> 01:39:27.659
So chunky.

2383
01:39:27.720 --> 01:39:28.619
Yeah, they're awesome.

2384
01:39:30.060 --> 01:39:33.420
Oh, man, there's been a lot happening in this, hasn't there?

2385
01:39:33.479 --> 01:39:35.460
It really has, but it is very simple.

2386
01:39:35.520 --> 01:39:36.779
It's super straightforward.

2387
01:39:36.840 --> 01:39:40.020
This moment where he sees Drake is so good.

2388
01:39:40.140 --> 01:39:42.359
It's the Avery smile again.

2389
01:39:42.420 --> 01:39:43.560
Dad.

2390
01:39:43.560 --> 01:39:47.039
And we see Siri smiling as well.

2391
01:39:47.100 --> 01:39:50.039
It's really sweet Oh, no facilities.

2392
01:39:50.100 --> 01:39:50.520
There we go.

2393
01:39:50.579 --> 01:39:51.420
We've done all right this time.

2394
01:39:51.479 --> 01:39:53.220
Yeah, we're all right. 13 casualty.

2395
01:39:53.279 --> 01:39:57.600
Look, and that smiles broader. like there's been few of them.

2396
01:39:57.659 --> 01:40:00.539
He smiled at Jennifer, but he smiles at Jake the way he was

2397
01:40:00.539 --> 01:40:05.880
smiling at Jennifer before. look at that I mean, as much as we

2398
01:40:05.880 --> 01:40:09.359
love Henny Johnson Gerald, this is the love affair of Duke Space

2399
01:40:09.359 --> 01:40:10.199
Norway, isn't it?

2400
01:40:10.260 --> 01:40:11.819
Still one of the things.

2401
01:40:11.819 --> 01:40:16.380
And that was what they honed in on in Starfleet Academy.

2402
01:40:16.380 --> 01:40:17.159
Starfleet Academy.

2403
01:40:17.220 --> 01:40:18.060
Yeah, absolutely.

2404
01:40:18.119 --> 01:40:19.260
So beautiful, that was.

2405
01:40:19.380 --> 01:40:20.460
So wonderful.

2406
01:40:20.520 --> 01:40:23.340
When I heard his voice at the end in that voiceover.

2407
01:40:23.399 --> 01:40:24.899
I had goodies.

2408
01:40:24.960 --> 01:40:25.800
It was terrific.

2409
01:40:25.920 --> 01:40:26.939
So good.

2410
01:40:27.000 --> 01:40:28.920
Oh, here's that weird scene now.

2411
01:40:28.979 --> 01:40:29.760
Yeah, yeah.

2412
01:40:29.819 --> 01:40:33.720
Now suddenly, suddenly, Avery's on the back foot.

2413
01:40:33.779 --> 01:40:36.359
Suddenly, Cisco's on the back foot and he's apologetic.

2414
01:40:36.420 --> 01:40:37.800
Oh, please, Captain Picard.

2415
01:40:37.859 --> 01:40:38.880
Can I stay, please?

2416
01:40:38.939 --> 01:40:40.739
Yeah, I just think why are we doing that?

2417
01:40:40.800 --> 01:40:41.579
not sure, you know?

2418
01:40:41.640 --> 01:40:45.119
He won't quite rude to me earlier. yeah that's exactly it.

2419
01:40:45.239 --> 01:40:46.560
I'm Captain Picard.

2420
01:40:46.619 --> 01:40:47.579
Do you know who I am?

2421
01:40:47.640 --> 01:40:49.979
I've taken down Admiral Satay.

2422
01:40:50.640 --> 01:40:53.039
You give me respect from me off.

2423
01:40:55.079 --> 01:40:56.579
Exactly.

2424
01:40:58.020 --> 01:41:01.260
Get out of it, Picard. not needed here anymore.

2425
01:41:01.319 --> 01:41:02.340
Yeah, you're not.

2426
01:41:02.399 --> 01:41:04.199
But we've got our fabulous new crew.

2427
01:41:04.260 --> 01:41:09.840
Look how the direction works when he leaves because we don't get a

2428
01:41:09.840 --> 01:41:11.279
good buy moment from him.

2429
01:41:11.340 --> 01:41:14.520
He takes over the scene, even though he's a little bit

2430
01:41:14.520 --> 01:41:15.779
apologetic.

2431
01:41:15.840 --> 01:41:19.380
Um, so there he is.

2432
01:41:19.439 --> 01:41:20.399
He strides up to him.

2433
01:41:20.460 --> 01:41:21.840
He shakes his hand.

2434
01:41:21.899 --> 01:41:22.920
We never see him again.

2435
01:41:22.979 --> 01:41:27.659
Then we go up to Avery, and he says, good luck, Mr. Cisco, but

2436
01:41:27.659 --> 01:41:31.140
then he's off camera, and then we see his back. as he goes away.

2437
01:41:31.199 --> 01:41:33.539
So after he shakes hands with Cisco.

2438
01:41:33.600 --> 01:41:36.539
We never see his face again, and he just walks out of the scene

2439
01:41:36.539 --> 01:41:40.680
without saying goodbye, and now Cisco is in a weak shot of

2440
01:41:40.680 --> 01:41:43.380
beautiful Avery, and we're like, yeah, we're in good hands.

2441
01:41:43.439 --> 01:41:46.680
And then this scene, which is just everyone walking through the

2442
01:41:46.680 --> 01:41:50.279
mall, isn't it, like having chats and stuff, doing little moments

2443
01:41:50.279 --> 01:41:52.859
the community.

2444
01:41:52.920 --> 01:41:57.359
This line, if you don't take your hand off my thigh, you will

2445
01:41:57.359 --> 01:41:58.979
never raise a glass of that again.

2446
01:41:59.039 --> 01:42:02.520
Well, Grillka does that to him too, doesn't it, doesn't she?

2447
01:42:02.819 --> 01:42:04.920
What's her line?

2448
01:42:04.979 --> 01:42:07.199
You don't take your hand off my thigh.

2449
01:42:07.560 --> 01:42:11.520
Oh, I can't remember the full line. similar something like it is.

2450
01:42:11.699 --> 01:42:14.699
Oh, I love a woman in uniform.

2451
01:42:15.479 --> 01:42:17.039
So great.

2452
01:42:17.159 --> 01:42:20.579
He still manages to be sleazy and undefeated.

2453
01:42:20.640 --> 01:42:21.779
Of course, of course.

2454
01:42:21.899 --> 01:42:25.140
And now look, look at the hub of activity on the promenade

2455
01:42:25.199 --> 01:42:26.159
everyone's coming in and out.

2456
01:42:26.220 --> 01:42:27.960
It's all been cleaned up.

2457
01:42:28.020 --> 01:42:29.520
It all looks very nice.

2458
01:42:29.579 --> 01:42:32.039
But again, we've said it a 1000000 times.

2459
01:42:32.100 --> 01:42:34.020
The promenade, what a great move that was.

2460
01:42:34.079 --> 01:42:37.199
Just to where we started from.

2461
01:42:37.739 --> 01:42:39.779
Oh, fabulous.

2462
01:42:39.840 --> 01:42:41.039
And then we all...

2463
01:42:41.039 --> 01:42:41.760
That's all they built.

2464
01:42:41.819 --> 01:42:42.899
It's just that sort of side there.

2465
01:42:42.960 --> 01:42:44.819
You haven't got the shops on the other side, yeah.

2466
01:42:44.880 --> 01:42:45.960
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

2467
01:42:46.020 --> 01:42:47.819
And the top floor of Quark's bar.

2468
01:42:47.880 --> 01:42:49.859
Ah, da, da, da, da.

2469
01:42:49.920 --> 01:42:51.420
So exciting.

2470
01:42:51.479 --> 01:42:55.140
And here come a couple of ships, obviously, to give us a new

2471
01:42:55.140 --> 01:42:55.560
adventure.

2472
01:42:55.619 --> 01:42:56.819
Oh, yeah, yeah.

2473
01:42:56.880 --> 01:42:57.779
But we heard about them.

2474
01:42:57.840 --> 01:43:00.840
They were the ships that we were talking about in dialogue

2475
01:43:00.840 --> 01:43:01.079
before.

2476
01:43:01.140 --> 01:43:02.699
Yeah, seem like...

2477
01:43:02.699 --> 01:43:04.079
Is like is Ferengi Pitboss.

2478
01:43:04.140 --> 01:43:05.939
So he's like...

2479
01:43:06.060 --> 01:43:07.680
No, no, we did say something.

2480
01:43:07.739 --> 01:43:08.279
It was something.

2481
01:43:08.340 --> 01:43:11.699
It was the guys and because all of the airlocks were broken, they

2482
01:43:11.699 --> 01:43:12.779
were all going to have to beam on board.

2483
01:43:12.840 --> 01:43:13.979
Oh, boy.

2484
01:43:14.039 --> 01:43:15.479
And there's a bit of that in season one.

2485
01:43:15.539 --> 01:43:18.060
Do you know how long I've been waiting to come on your station?

2486
01:43:19.619 --> 01:43:23.340
I do like the fact it takes a little while for them to sort it all

2487
01:43:23.340 --> 01:43:25.739
out, you know. feels like an achievement when we get there.

2488
01:43:25.800 --> 01:43:26.939
Yeah, yeah.

2489
01:43:27.000 --> 01:43:29.460
Oh, no, I think I mean, this was really great.

2490
01:43:29.520 --> 01:43:31.079
It's super accomplished, I think.

2491
01:43:31.140 --> 01:43:35.340
And clearly an improvement on whatever the hell they thought they

2492
01:43:35.340 --> 01:43:39.539
were doing an encounter at Farpoint, which has its own charms, I

2493
01:43:39.539 --> 01:43:39.779
guess.

2494
01:43:39.840 --> 01:43:44.460
It was literally 2 scripts that had been blended into one, wasn't

2495
01:43:44.460 --> 01:43:44.579
it?

2496
01:43:44.640 --> 01:43:46.859
The Q script and the FarPoint script.

2497
01:43:46.979 --> 01:43:50.939
And literally the Q strip sort of ends at the end of part one and

2498
01:43:50.939 --> 01:43:53.279
then we're encounter a far point for part two.

2499
01:43:53.340 --> 01:43:54.180
It's weird.

2500
01:43:54.239 --> 01:43:55.199
It is weird.

2501
01:43:55.260 --> 01:43:59.640
But it has the job of introducing the 24th century tours, whereas

2502
01:43:59.640 --> 01:44:01.800
this has some stuff I can rely on, I think.

2503
01:44:01.859 --> 01:44:03.180
I don't know.

2504
01:44:03.239 --> 01:44:08.340
I just think this is really properly good, super entertaining and

2505
01:44:08.340 --> 01:44:10.140
you know, confident and fun.

2506
01:44:10.260 --> 01:44:14.819
I think it promises more interesting characters and

2507
01:44:14.819 --> 01:44:15.720
relationships.

2508
01:44:15.779 --> 01:44:21.239
It promises to be a darker look at Star Trek, and it promises to

2509
01:44:21.239 --> 01:44:22.260
have consequences, right?

2510
01:44:22.319 --> 01:44:25.500
And it delivers on all of those things in that 1st season there in

2511
01:44:25.500 --> 01:44:26.939
various ways.

2512
01:44:27.000 --> 01:44:31.439
The one thing it promises and doesn't deliver in season one is to

2513
01:44:31.439 --> 01:44:36.539
be a visually spectacular show because we do have a lot of, I mean

2514
01:44:36.539 --> 01:44:38.939
there's a courtroom episode, you know, move along home.

2515
01:44:39.000 --> 01:44:41.880
I mean, it had some visuals in it, but they weren't that great

2516
01:44:41.880 --> 01:44:42.239
were they?

2517
01:44:42.239 --> 01:44:43.560
Yeah, that's true.

2518
01:44:43.680 --> 01:44:45.899
Actually, I did want to ask you this question.

2519
01:44:45.960 --> 01:44:47.760
I was gonna ask you at the start, but we're at the end.

2520
01:44:48.060 --> 01:44:53.220
What's British television considered quite prestige over in

2521
01:44:53.220 --> 01:44:54.359
America at this point?

2522
01:44:54.420 --> 01:44:57.180
Because David Carson directs this?

2523
01:44:57.239 --> 01:44:59.880
They dragged him over from Britain to directing.

2524
01:44:59.939 --> 01:45:03.479
I gave him $18000000 It's a bit like the Doctor Who TV movie.

2525
01:45:03.600 --> 01:45:09.239
They found some sort of middling English director and said, come

2526
01:45:09.239 --> 01:45:12.000
spend all this money and create a new Star Trek show for us.

2527
01:45:12.119 --> 01:45:14.760
And so is this David Carson's 1st Star Trek?

2528
01:45:14.819 --> 01:45:15.479
No.

2529
01:45:15.539 --> 01:45:17.640
His 1st was yesterday's enterprise.

2530
01:45:17.699 --> 01:45:19.020
Ah, yes, okay.

2531
01:45:19.079 --> 01:45:22.439
And I think they thought, well, he created a very dark Star Trek

2532
01:45:22.439 --> 01:45:23.100
for us before.

2533
01:45:23.159 --> 01:45:24.239
Maybe he could do it again.

2534
01:45:24.300 --> 01:45:26.279
And who directs generations?

2535
01:45:26.340 --> 01:45:29.340
That's David Castle. that's what I thought.

2536
01:45:29.399 --> 01:45:30.000
That's what I thought.

2537
01:45:30.119 --> 01:45:31.439
He went, my God.

2538
01:45:31.500 --> 01:45:33.000
I can actually light scenes.

2539
01:45:33.060 --> 01:45:34.680
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

2540
01:45:34.739 --> 01:45:35.760
Yeah, it's pretty good.

2541
01:45:35.819 --> 01:45:37.920
Well, he does that in yesterday's Enterprise.

2542
01:45:37.979 --> 01:45:38.279
Remember?

2543
01:45:38.340 --> 01:45:41.579
We said that, you know, it's a parallel universe or an aborted

2544
01:45:41.579 --> 01:45:45.539
timeline where the enterprise was interestingly lit or sometimes

2545
01:45:45.539 --> 01:45:46.979
ludicrously lit.

2546
01:45:47.039 --> 01:45:49.920
Do you know his only other episode, Nathan, that he directs?

2547
01:45:49.979 --> 01:45:53.640
So if you think of that, though, yesterday's Enterprise, emissary

2548
01:45:53.640 --> 01:45:57.000
generation's the 1st movie, and the 4th one is?

2549
01:45:57.000 --> 01:45:58.199
Is it Accession?

2550
01:45:58.260 --> 01:45:59.460
No.

2551
01:45:59.520 --> 01:46:01.020
A la Marine.

2552
01:46:01.079 --> 01:46:03.060
We count 2 points.

2553
01:46:03.960 --> 01:46:06.600
I mean, he got a full house, didn't he?

2554
01:46:06.659 --> 01:46:07.500
Yeah that's true.

2555
01:46:07.560 --> 01:46:08.880
They need something.

2556
01:46:08.939 --> 01:46:09.899
Holy crap.

2557
01:46:09.960 --> 01:46:11.760
Baffling episode, that was.

2558
01:46:12.899 --> 01:46:13.680
Started so well.

2559
01:46:13.979 --> 01:46:17.159
But this did start well, I think.

2560
01:46:17.460 --> 01:46:22.380
And do you remember I had a massive rant when we talked about

2561
01:46:22.380 --> 01:46:26.520
Voyager for the 1st time, about all of that promise in caretaker.

2562
01:46:26.520 --> 01:46:30.239
And, you know, oh, my God, the tension with the marquee, their

2563
01:46:30.239 --> 01:46:33.600
interesting relationships, you know, parish and chakotay fighting

2564
01:46:33.600 --> 01:46:36.840
and lost in a regional space, uniting the factions.

2565
01:46:36.899 --> 01:46:38.579
I forgot all about all of it.

2566
01:46:38.640 --> 01:46:40.020
Episode 3, maybe?

2567
01:46:40.079 --> 01:46:42.420
We go back to it once a year and the ratings are low.

2568
01:46:42.479 --> 01:46:45.300
No, we never leave the station, do it?

2569
01:46:45.359 --> 01:46:48.119
And all of the stuff, all the characters here go on interesting

2570
01:46:48.119 --> 01:46:49.020
journeys.

2571
01:46:49.079 --> 01:46:51.479
They take all of the concepts here and develop them all.

2572
01:46:51.600 --> 01:46:53.520
It's a good show.

2573
01:46:53.579 --> 01:46:54.359
It's a great show.

2574
01:46:54.600 --> 01:46:58.380
But, but Pillar did all of the legwork here.

2575
01:46:58.439 --> 01:47:01.140
Oh yeah, it's really strong and you can kind of tell.

2576
01:47:01.199 --> 01:47:05.399
And, you know, he's the person who creates Star Trek the Next

2577
01:47:05.399 --> 01:47:09.119
Generation in its final form in lots of ways by centring the

2578
01:47:09.119 --> 01:47:12.420
characters, making each episode happen to a person or a couple of

2579
01:47:12.420 --> 01:47:12.779
people.

2580
01:47:12.779 --> 01:47:16.140
And, and we're really leaning into it here.

2581
01:47:16.199 --> 01:47:19.739
We're building a set of characters for whom that works with very

2582
01:47:19.739 --> 01:47:23.340
well and who all offer a lot of opportunities for that to happen

2583
01:47:23.340 --> 01:47:25.140
in lots of ways, I think.

2584
01:47:25.199 --> 01:47:28.500
And so I don't think we can underestimate, you know, his

2585
01:47:28.500 --> 01:47:29.039
contribution.

2586
01:47:29.159 --> 01:47:32.640
Well, that was a triumphant pilot there, Nathan.

2587
01:47:32.699 --> 01:47:33.779
I can't wait till we do another.

2588
01:47:33.840 --> 01:47:36.180
I'm sure they'll all be spectacular successes like that.

2589
01:47:36.239 --> 01:47:37.260
I'm sure they will.

2590
01:47:44.039 --> 01:47:47.579
All right, it's the end of the episode and it's time for us to

2591
01:47:47.579 --> 01:47:48.840
work out where we're going next.

2592
01:47:48.899 --> 01:47:54.720
We have had an incredible run of amazing 90s trek episodes over

2593
01:47:54.720 --> 01:47:59.159
our last few episodes, and so it's time for me to put a stop to

2594
01:47:59.159 --> 01:47:59.460
that.

2595
01:47:59.460 --> 01:48:01.619
I know what you're going to do.

2596
01:48:01.680 --> 01:48:05.699
An episode of Star Trek Enterprise.

2597
01:48:05.939 --> 01:48:07.140
Oh boy.

2598
01:48:08.880 --> 01:48:10.560
I'm ready.

2599
01:48:10.619 --> 01:48:11.579
No, do you know what?

2600
01:48:11.640 --> 01:48:15.659
I've been justly convinced that 90s Trek had some value now.

2601
01:48:15.720 --> 01:48:21.060
So let's let's go to the dying days of each trek and see what's

2602
01:48:21.060 --> 01:48:21.479
happened.

2603
01:48:21.539 --> 01:48:27.420
Now, of course, with our new randomiser, I can choose any series

2604
01:48:27.420 --> 01:48:30.720
but I'm just going to leave all of them open, I think.

2605
01:48:30.779 --> 01:48:32.880
Oh, you should have done one and two.

2606
01:48:32.939 --> 01:48:34.859
We've had so much free and four.

2607
01:48:34.920 --> 01:48:36.180
All right, let's do one and two.

2608
01:48:36.300 --> 01:48:37.979
I'll turn...

2609
01:48:38.039 --> 01:48:39.899
It'll be genuinely ghostly as well.

2610
01:48:40.199 --> 01:48:42.180
Okay, here goes.

2611
01:48:42.239 --> 01:48:43.260
I'm pushing the button.

2612
01:48:43.739 --> 01:48:45.779
It's one we've done.

2613
01:48:45.840 --> 01:48:51.960
In fact, it's season one, episode four, Strange New World, the 1st

2614
01:48:51.960 --> 01:48:54.479
episode of Star Trek Enterprise.

2615
01:48:54.539 --> 01:48:57.840
Jama gives it a bim plus half a style.

2616
01:48:57.899 --> 01:48:58.560
Yeah.

2617
01:48:58.619 --> 01:49:00.359
No accounting for tastes.

2618
01:49:00.420 --> 01:49:02.220
All right, here goes.

2619
01:49:03.000 --> 01:49:05.279
Season one, episode 11.

2620
01:49:05.520 --> 01:49:07.079
I'm sure we've rolled this before.

2621
01:49:07.140 --> 01:49:08.880
A cold front.

2622
01:49:08.939 --> 01:49:10.500
Cold front.

2623
01:49:10.560 --> 01:49:14.159
I've Enterprise Place host to visitors on a religious retreat.

2624
01:49:14.220 --> 01:49:14.939
Uh-oh.

2625
01:49:15.000 --> 01:49:19.859
Archer is made aware of a Sulaban intruder, who may be part of a

2626
01:49:19.859 --> 01:49:22.859
conspiracy waged from centuries in the future.

2627
01:49:22.920 --> 01:49:26.460
That sounds like they're coming together of 2 very boring things

2628
01:49:26.460 --> 01:49:26.760
doesn't it?

2629
01:49:26.819 --> 01:49:27.840
It does, doesn't it?

2630
01:49:27.899 --> 01:49:28.500
It does.

2631
01:49:28.560 --> 01:49:31.979
Well, I'm not bored rolling yet, and I haven't had a go for a

2632
01:49:31.979 --> 01:49:33.239
while, so I'm going to do it again.

2633
01:49:33.300 --> 01:49:36.300
There's one I really want you to roll, so I'm hoping it comes

2634
01:49:36.300 --> 01:49:36.600
off.

2635
01:49:36.659 --> 01:49:38.220
All right, here goes.

2636
01:49:38.340 --> 01:49:41.220
It's the only one that Jama gives 0 styles too.

2637
01:49:41.340 --> 01:49:43.020
So it'll probably be great.

2638
01:49:43.079 --> 01:49:44.579
What about this?

2639
01:49:44.640 --> 01:49:47.220
Dead Stop, season two, episode four.

2640
01:49:47.399 --> 01:49:49.619
Season two, episode four.

2641
01:49:49.680 --> 01:49:52.439
Crippled with severe damage done having few options.

2642
01:49:52.560 --> 01:49:55.500
The Enterprise docks automatic repair station.

2643
01:49:55.560 --> 01:49:59.939
I like this one, and it's a sequel to the previous week's one

2644
01:49:59.939 --> 01:50:00.899
which was...

2645
01:50:00.899 --> 01:50:02.939
Boring minefield that we did. you remember?

2646
01:50:03.420 --> 01:50:04.619
It's a sequel to minefield.

2647
01:50:04.680 --> 01:50:06.239
Travis, was it Travis?

2648
01:50:06.300 --> 01:50:09.720
Reed being very awkward with Captain Archer.

2649
01:50:09.779 --> 01:50:10.439
Yeah, yeah.

2650
01:50:10.500 --> 01:50:11.460
It was a very boring episode.

2651
01:50:11.520 --> 01:50:15.300
This is a weird one where it's, there's no people.

2652
01:50:15.359 --> 01:50:19.800
It's automated and it goes wrong and starts attacking them.

2653
01:50:19.859 --> 01:50:21.119
This automated station.

2654
01:50:21.180 --> 01:50:22.979
It's pretty good, I seem to remember.

2655
01:50:23.039 --> 01:50:26.279
I'm actually tempted to give it a go because you did talk about

2656
01:50:26.279 --> 01:50:26.579
it.

2657
01:50:26.640 --> 01:50:30.420
I think we talked about it at the time And we have had that

2658
01:50:30.420 --> 01:50:30.840
thing.

2659
01:50:30.899 --> 01:50:33.960
I think maybe in series three, there's a point where they're kind

2660
01:50:33.960 --> 01:50:38.159
of really brutally slammed and then they have to go for repairs

2661
01:50:38.159 --> 01:50:38.579
you know.

2662
01:50:38.640 --> 01:50:41.340
So, and they are quite beaten up, aren't they?

2663
01:50:41.399 --> 01:50:44.460
Minefield is their 1st encounter with the Romulans without them

2664
01:50:44.460 --> 01:50:45.300
realising it.

2665
01:50:45.420 --> 01:50:50.399
There's a weird, um, almost, this is a very obscure reference.

2666
01:50:50.460 --> 01:50:53.279
Sapphire and steel type atmosphere to this one.

2667
01:50:53.340 --> 01:50:58.380
Because there's no people around, it's sort of eerily quiet in

2668
01:50:58.380 --> 01:51:00.899
places, and then suddenly it comes to life.

2669
01:51:00.960 --> 01:51:04.739
I remember a big grabby arm comes out of it and grabs hold of the

2670
01:51:04.739 --> 01:51:05.640
enterprise at one point.

2671
01:51:05.699 --> 01:51:07.199
It's not bad, actually.

2672
01:51:07.260 --> 01:51:07.739
Yeah.

2673
01:51:07.800 --> 01:51:13.800
I wonder who writes that one Uh oh, it's Mike Sussman and Phyllis

2674
01:51:13.800 --> 01:51:16.680
Strong, but directed by our Roxanne Dawson.

2675
01:51:16.739 --> 01:51:17.579
Oh, okay.

2676
01:51:17.640 --> 01:51:18.180
We love her.

2677
01:51:18.239 --> 01:51:19.739
All right, I reckon we do that one.

2678
01:51:19.800 --> 01:51:20.159
Why not?

2679
01:51:20.220 --> 01:51:21.000
We may as well.

2680
01:51:21.060 --> 01:51:21.779
That sounds like fun.

2681
01:51:21.840 --> 01:51:22.619
I'm up for it.

2682
01:51:22.680 --> 01:51:24.180
Gemma says good continuity.

2683
01:51:24.239 --> 01:51:26.460
Plentiful sci-fi weirdness. intriguing.

2684
01:51:27.000 --> 01:51:28.380
Okay.

2685
01:51:28.439 --> 01:51:30.479
Does he give it how many bends?

2686
01:51:31.560 --> 01:51:33.180
Does he give it?

2687
01:51:33.239 --> 01:51:35.039
It's a better than half a star.

2688
01:51:35.100 --> 01:51:35.460
Yeah, three.

2689
01:51:35.520 --> 01:51:36.119
Okay.

2690
01:51:36.180 --> 01:51:37.260
A Ben and a bit.

2691
01:51:37.319 --> 01:51:41.819
So it's as good as Strangely World. that's right Oh, bloody open

2692
01:51:41.819 --> 01:51:42.300
off.

2693
01:51:42.359 --> 01:51:43.140
Jesus.

2694
01:51:51.359 --> 01:51:54.899
You've been listening to entitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford

2695
01:51:54.899 --> 01:51:59.039
and Nathan Bottomley, where online at untitled Star Trek Project

2696
01:51:58.140 --> 01:52:01.319
com, where you can find subscription links and links to our social

2697
01:52:01.319 --> 01:52:02.159
media accounts.

2698
01:52:02.279 --> 01:52:06.000
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Ciceran, and the theme was

2699
01:52:06.000 --> 01:52:07.739
composed by Cameron Lamb.

2700
01:52:07.800 --> 01:52:12.239
This episode was recorded on the 19th of May 2026 and released on

2701
01:52:12.239 --> 01:52:13.500
the 22nd of May.

2702
01:52:13.560 --> 01:52:17.399
And we'll see you next time for Star Trek Enterprise, Dead Stop.

2703
01:52:34.140 --> 01:52:39.659
Have you played with the, have you played with the, um, the

2704
01:52:39.659 --> 01:52:41.399
interactive transcript on the website?

2705
01:52:41.460 --> 01:52:43.260
I haven't.

2706
01:52:43.380 --> 01:52:44.520
Did you send me a link for it?

2707
01:52:44.579 --> 01:52:45.180
Hang on.

2708
01:52:45.180 --> 01:52:46.079
Just go to the website.

2709
01:52:47.159 --> 01:52:51.359
Oh, no, it's just got to list every stupid thing I've ever said on

2710
01:52:51.359 --> 01:52:51.720
this.

2711
01:52:51.779 --> 01:52:54.000
Oh, it's actionable, too.

2712
01:52:54.060 --> 01:52:56.579
It's not easily searchable yet, but it'll get there.

2713
01:52:56.640 --> 01:52:57.779
Your bit's gone.

2714
01:52:57.840 --> 01:52:58.739
We just highlight your bits.

2715
01:52:58.800 --> 01:53:00.239
No, tell to tell.

2716
01:53:00.300 --> 01:53:00.840
I can't tell.

2717
01:53:00.899 --> 01:53:02.159
There you go.

2718
01:53:05.220 --> 01:53:07.500
Oh my god, it's going to be so refreshing.

2719
01:53:07.560 --> 01:53:11.220
Okay, so click on the 1st duty, so you're on just the 1st duties

2720
01:53:11.220 --> 01:53:11.579
page.

2721
01:53:11.640 --> 01:53:14.520
And then scroll down. download.

2722
01:53:14.579 --> 01:53:15.539
So that's the episode, yeah?

2723
01:53:15.779 --> 01:53:17.819
down under that?

2724
01:53:19.079 --> 01:53:20.880
under the episode.

2725
01:53:20.939 --> 01:53:21.600
Yeah.

2726
01:53:21.659 --> 01:53:23.340
Does it say transcript?

2727
01:53:23.399 --> 01:53:27.239
Oh, sorry, I need to click on the actual...

2728
01:53:27.300 --> 01:53:28.560
On the word transcript.

2729
01:53:28.680 --> 01:53:29.279
Oh, my God.

2730
01:53:29.279 --> 01:53:30.960
I just keep scrolling.

2731
01:53:31.020 --> 01:53:33.119
It's the whole page. of everything that we said.

2732
01:53:33.720 --> 01:53:35.760
Oh, Christ.

2733
01:53:35.819 --> 01:53:36.779
Oh, do you know what?

2734
01:53:36.840 --> 01:53:37.319
This could be fun.

2735
01:53:37.380 --> 01:53:39.180
I could take out selected quotes.

2736
01:53:39.180 --> 01:53:41.159
You click on a word. have a listen.

2737
01:53:41.220 --> 01:53:44.939
Click on a word and it will start playing that word in the audio.

2738
01:53:45.359 --> 01:53:47.640
You're joking.

2739
01:53:47.699 --> 01:53:48.899
Come on.

2740
01:53:48.960 --> 01:53:50.220
Hang on.

2741
01:53:50.279 --> 01:53:52.739
Okay, I'm going to go into trials and tribulation because that was

2742
01:53:52.739 --> 01:53:53.760
a great fun episode.

2743
01:53:53.819 --> 01:53:54.359
Hang up.

2744
01:53:55.079 --> 01:53:57.300
Well, click on any word.

2745
01:53:57.359 --> 01:53:58.140
Yeah.

2746
01:53:58.199 --> 01:53:59.340
I'll click on the line.

2747
01:53:59.399 --> 01:54:01.560
Yeah, click on the line and it'll play it.

2748
01:54:06.239 --> 01:54:09.479
It's just jumping every time I click here.

2749
01:54:09.539 --> 01:54:09.899
Yeah.

2750
01:54:11.520 --> 01:54:14.819
And it lights up as it says the word as well.

2751
01:54:14.880 --> 01:54:16.920
The part that's been...

2752
01:54:16.979 --> 01:54:18.000
Yeah, yeah, it is.

2753
01:54:18.060 --> 01:54:19.199
And what I'll offer over it.

2754
01:54:19.260 --> 01:54:21.119
Um, is it...

2755
01:54:21.119 --> 01:54:25.380
Is it like a thing that...

2756
01:54:25.380 --> 01:54:28.140
Um, deaf people use in transcript.

2757
01:54:28.199 --> 01:54:28.739
I don't know.

2758
01:54:28.800 --> 01:54:31.859
Yeah, because, I mean, it's in it's in Apple, it's in Overcast.

2759
01:54:31.920 --> 01:54:32.640
He is overcast.

2760
01:54:32.699 --> 01:54:35.579
It has transcripts now and Apple Podcasts have transcripts and so

2761
01:54:35.579 --> 01:54:37.859
deaf people can use it so they can access podcasts.

2762
01:54:37.920 --> 01:54:39.659
It doesn't do speaker identification.

2763
01:54:39.720 --> 01:54:41.760
But what it does is.

2764
01:54:41.880 --> 01:54:42.600
It's really clear.

2765
01:54:42.659 --> 01:54:44.159
I mean, like the font is great.

2766
01:54:44.220 --> 01:54:46.500
Working on. yeah, yeah, yeah.

2767
01:54:46.560 --> 01:54:50.340
I like I'm working on it because the next thing is making it

2768
01:54:50.340 --> 01:54:54.420
searchable so that I'll have a search page, you can type, and I

2769
01:54:54.420 --> 01:54:57.840
looked up BoMar, it doesn't always spell Beaumar correctly, but

2770
01:54:57.840 --> 01:55:02.819
the search, it's still fine, so, and...

2771
01:55:02.880 --> 01:55:03.300
Look at this.

2772
01:55:03.359 --> 01:55:05.819
No, trouble triples.

2773
01:55:05.880 --> 01:55:06.479
Oh, God.

2774
01:55:06.539 --> 01:55:07.560
Well, we'll do that again.

2775
01:55:07.619 --> 01:55:08.399
Oh, certainly.

2776
01:55:08.460 --> 01:55:09.600
Here's the lilac line.

2777
01:55:09.659 --> 01:55:10.380
Oh, so funny.

2778
01:55:10.439 --> 01:55:12.420
Who's the O person?

2779
01:55:12.479 --> 01:55:13.680
I think that's you, you know.

2780
01:55:17.399 --> 01:55:20.399
I bet you bloody does that was me.

2781
01:55:20.460 --> 01:55:22.439
Is that good, though?

2782
01:55:22.500 --> 01:55:23.220
Is that great?

2783
01:55:23.279 --> 01:55:24.420
I so happy with it.

2784
01:55:24.479 --> 01:55:25.680
Oh my god.

2785
01:55:25.739 --> 01:55:29.699
I just think it's so it's so beautifully laid out though, isn't

2786
01:55:29.699 --> 01:55:29.939
it?

2787
01:55:30.000 --> 01:55:33.119
Like, I mean, you'd think that would be a chore to read a transfer

2788
01:55:33.119 --> 01:55:34.079
of a podcast.

2789
01:55:34.140 --> 01:55:39.060
But because it's line, line, line, hang on, I'm noticing, oh, it's

2790
01:55:39.060 --> 01:55:39.239
you.

2791
01:55:39.300 --> 01:55:43.140
Yeah, let's see, you do the more substantial lines, and then I'm

2792
01:55:43.140 --> 01:55:44.220
just coming in with being...

2793
01:55:44.220 --> 01:55:49.439
Oh, it will get the odd thing wrong though, right?

2794
01:55:49.500 --> 01:55:50.579
Oh yeah, yeah, it does.

2795
01:55:50.640 --> 01:55:51.960
It's not a Duke space nine.

2796
01:55:52.079 --> 01:55:54.600
No, I know, it does some odd things.

2797
01:55:54.659 --> 01:55:55.500
It does some odd things.

2798
01:55:55.560 --> 01:56:00.300
And like, um, what I'm just thinking is that the transcriber thing

2799
01:56:00.300 --> 01:56:03.840
will get better and better as time goes by, and so every so often

2800
01:56:03.840 --> 01:56:06.779
I'll just transcribe all the episodes again, because it took me

2801
01:56:06.779 --> 01:56:08.100
like 2 hours to describe.

2802
01:56:08.159 --> 01:56:13.979
Because remember it's 9.5 hours, 9.5 days of podcasts. program you

2803
01:56:13.979 --> 01:56:15.420
run and it literally just does all of them.

2804
01:56:15.479 --> 01:56:18.899
Well, I, so a program that I ran that I wrote.

2805
01:56:18.960 --> 01:56:22.079
So there's a program that does a transcribing, but then I wrote a

2806
01:56:22.079 --> 01:56:25.619
script that goes through the all of the episodes and turns of into

2807
01:56:25.619 --> 01:56:28.380
transcripts, and then I wrote the stuff that puts it on the web

2808
01:56:28.380 --> 01:56:32.460
page and wired it up to the player and all of that so that it does

2809
01:56:32.460 --> 01:56:32.760
that.

2810
01:56:32.819 --> 01:56:35.159
And I did the typography on it and stuff.

2811
01:56:35.220 --> 01:56:38.640
So I did all of that, but I've done it once and now I've done it

2812
01:56:38.640 --> 01:56:40.140
to 2 more podcast sites.

2813
01:56:40.199 --> 01:56:43.560
I'm going to do it to flight through entirety, but the next step

2814
01:56:43.560 --> 01:56:44.699
is making it searchable.

2815
01:56:44.760 --> 01:56:45.600
Ooh.

2816
01:56:45.600 --> 01:56:47.640
I mean, I love listening to flight preentority.

2817
01:56:47.699 --> 01:56:49.800
Oh, sure, those ones are so smart.

2818
01:56:49.859 --> 01:56:51.239
I think I'd like to read them.

2819
01:56:51.300 --> 01:56:52.560
They would be a good read. yeah.

2820
01:56:52.619 --> 01:56:53.039
Yeah.

2821
01:56:53.039 --> 01:56:54.359
I mean, I don't want to read me.

2822
01:56:54.359 --> 01:56:55.680
Good read for all this nonsense.

2823
01:56:55.739 --> 01:56:56.340
I'm coming out.

2824
01:56:56.399 --> 01:56:57.000
So great.

2825
01:56:57.060 --> 01:56:57.539
So good.

2826
01:56:57.600 --> 01:56:58.619
Is that good?

2827
01:56:58.680 --> 01:57:01.500
It's just like, oh, like a doppelag.

2828
01:57:01.560 --> 01:57:01.979
Listen to this.

2829
01:57:02.100 --> 01:57:04.140
It's so ridiculous Oh my god, it's wonderful.

2830
01:57:04.199 --> 01:57:04.800
It's so good.

2831
01:57:04.859 --> 01:57:05.819
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

2832
01:57:05.880 --> 01:57:06.359
It's perfect.

2833
01:57:06.420 --> 01:57:07.800
It's just so good.

2834
01:57:07.859 --> 01:57:09.539
It's me.

2835
01:57:09.840 --> 01:57:12.600
Nathan, I think we got the tag, you know.

2836
01:57:13.079 --> 01:57:15.659
Talking about the transcripts, yeah.

2837
01:57:16.500 --> 01:57:18.899
Oh my god, that's great.

2838
01:57:18.960 --> 01:57:19.500
We should do it.

2839
01:57:19.560 --> 01:57:19.979
We should do it.

2840
01:57:20.039 --> 01:57:21.899
What new features will come next?

2841
01:57:22.260 --> 01:57:24.840
I've already started to implement it.

2842
01:57:24.899 --> 01:57:26.220
I've already started to implant it.

2843
01:57:26.220 --> 01:57:30.359
It sort of works, but I've got to style it and make it work

2844
01:57:30.359 --> 01:57:30.659
better.

2845
01:57:30.720 --> 01:57:32.640
But I'm doing that.

2846
01:57:32.699 --> 01:57:34.140
Fabulous.

2847
01:57:34.199 --> 01:57:34.979
Oh my god.

2848
01:57:35.039 --> 01:57:37.020
Man, it's coming up.

2849
01:57:37.079 --> 01:57:39.180
I just expert call things, aren't you?

2850
01:57:39.239 --> 01:57:42.359
I've just written an article because I worked out how to do it.

2851
01:57:42.420 --> 01:57:45.720
I've just written an article on how to add transcripts to your

2852
01:57:45.720 --> 01:57:48.000
podcast website and I'm going to publish it in the next day or

2853
01:57:48.000 --> 01:57:48.239
two.

2854
01:57:48.300 --> 01:57:49.560
So there you go.

2855
01:57:49.619 --> 01:57:50.819
Oh, so then other people can.

2856
01:57:51.119 --> 01:57:51.720
Yeah, yeah.

2857
01:57:51.779 --> 01:57:52.800
Yeah.

2858
01:57:52.859 --> 01:57:54.899
What we're talking about here.

2859
01:57:54.960 --> 01:57:55.739
It's very, very bad.

2860
01:57:55.800 --> 01:57:56.760
Yeah, it's pretty bad.

2861
01:57:56.880 --> 01:57:59.579
It is written by David Gerald, but terrible.

2862
01:57:59.640 --> 01:58:02.819
It really was a half-ass such show, wasn't it?

2863
01:58:02.939 --> 01:58:07.140
That's the animated series for sure. make myself laugh.

2864
01:58:09.960 --> 01:58:12.060
Quite funny, aren't we?

2865
01:58:12.119 --> 01:58:13.079
Oh, that's it.

2866
01:58:13.140 --> 01:58:15.180
That's what I'm the proudest of.

2867
01:58:15.239 --> 01:58:18.479
Oh my god, it's the fellow who plays out those stats.

2868
01:58:20.039 --> 01:58:22.260
Oh, dear.

2869
01:58:22.319 --> 01:58:23.159
Oh, what's this?

2870
01:58:23.159 --> 01:58:23.579
Hang on.

2871
01:58:23.640 --> 01:58:26.100
Have you got the Barclay filter on this?

2872
01:58:26.159 --> 01:58:27.180
No.

2873
01:58:27.239 --> 01:58:28.859
I mean, this is the Barclay, right?

2874
01:58:28.920 --> 01:58:29.579
is his 2nd episode.

2875
01:58:29.640 --> 01:58:31.380
Oh, that's when we're doing the bit at the end.

2876
01:58:31.439 --> 01:58:32.399
Yeah, it must be.

2877
01:58:32.460 --> 01:58:33.600
Yeah, yeah.

2878
01:58:33.720 --> 01:58:35.939
Oh, it's fabulous.

2879
01:58:36.300 --> 01:58:39.960
Gosh, you are clever clocks, and yeah?

2880
01:58:41.100 --> 01:58:44.279
Oh, a fucking clue how to do this.

2881
01:58:44.760 --> 01:58:48.600
Oh, yeah, you could tell when we're doing a comedy.

2882
01:58:48.659 --> 01:58:50.939
We're literally batting the ball back and forth.

2883
01:58:51.000 --> 01:58:53.279
You don't realise, obviously, you can't see a podcast.

2884
01:58:53.340 --> 01:58:56.640
You don't realise the sort of flow of it until you see it like

2885
01:58:56.640 --> 01:58:56.819
that.

2886
01:58:56.880 --> 01:58:58.319
It's really amazing.

2887
01:58:58.380 --> 01:59:01.500
The other thing is that I did write a program that counted the

2888
01:59:01.500 --> 01:59:06.300
number of words in flight, in, um, on Star Trek project, uh, and

2889
01:59:06.300 --> 01:59:08.159
it is on the page, on the about page.

2890
01:59:08.220 --> 01:59:11.100
There will be up to date total every week.

2891
01:59:11.159 --> 01:59:16.319
But I think we decided it was about 2200000 words that we've

2892
01:59:16.319 --> 01:59:16.619
said.

2893
01:59:17.399 --> 01:59:19.619
2.2 million.

2894
01:59:19.680 --> 01:59:21.239
Oh my god.

2895
01:59:23.100 --> 01:59:25.739
That's pretty easy to do.

2896
01:59:25.800 --> 01:59:32.340
That's far less words. full a full and rich life, a life full of

2897
01:59:32.340 --> 01:59:36.359
incident and 2000000 words. how many works I've done overall.

2898
01:59:36.659 --> 01:59:39.359
That would be beyond terrifying.

2899
01:59:39.659 --> 01:59:41.760
It's best I don't know that.

2900
01:59:41.819 --> 01:59:44.039
FTA is about 3000000 words.

2901
01:59:44.100 --> 01:59:46.140
What do you reckon?

2902
01:59:46.140 --> 01:59:47.100
We're going to catch up with that.

2903
01:59:47.159 --> 01:59:49.439
I could do hamster, you know.

2904
01:59:49.500 --> 01:59:52.079
I could write a program that would download all of them.

2905
01:59:52.079 --> 01:59:57.300
I don't know about sleep again, no. 10000000 words.

2906
01:59:57.899 --> 02:00:01.380
I already put that website up that tells you how many hours of

2907
02:00:01.380 --> 02:00:02.039
hamster.

2908
02:00:02.100 --> 02:00:03.000
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

2909
02:00:03.060 --> 02:00:03.600
Yes.

2910
02:00:03.600 --> 02:00:07.020
It grows with terrifying frequency. amazing.

2911
02:00:08.579 --> 02:00:10.739
Although, do you know what?

2912
02:00:10.800 --> 02:00:13.260
I' been really happy with the stuff I've put out this year.

2913
02:00:13.319 --> 02:00:14.939
I think the strictlys have been good.

2914
02:00:15.000 --> 02:00:18.060
I think the book clubs have been good and I think the commentaries

2915
02:00:18.060 --> 02:00:18.600
have been great.

2916
02:00:18.659 --> 02:00:21.779
So I am really happy with what's going out at the moment.

2917
02:00:22.680 --> 02:00:26.939
And I did bring in a lot of new voices this year as well, which

2918
02:00:26.939 --> 02:00:29.159
you know, you do for flight for entirety, don't you?

2919
02:00:29.220 --> 02:00:31.260
Like, it's always good to have new voices, I think.

2920
02:00:31.319 --> 02:00:32.579
Yeah.

2921
02:00:32.640 --> 02:00:35.640
We should get going because we've got...

2922
02:00:35.640 --> 02:00:37.079
Oh, shit now, yeah.

2923
02:00:37.140 --> 02:00:37.500
Yeah.

2924
02:00:37.560 --> 02:00:38.340
Yeah.

2925
02:00:38.399 --> 02:00:40.739
Well, no, I mean, we're going to go for that a bit, aren't we?

2926
02:00:40.859 --> 02:00:46.380
If I can get to sleep by one, then I can have an hour at least, an

2927
02:00:46.380 --> 02:00:46.739
hour.

2928
02:00:46.800 --> 02:00:47.760
Cool.

2929
02:00:50.819 --> 02:00:52.859
Hey, Joe. Hi.