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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So we are back aboard Deep Space 9, and it's actually Deep Space 9 for the 1st time.

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We're doing the pilot.

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I think it might be our 1st pilot, apart from Strange New Worlds.

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Perhaps, and Starfleet Academy.

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We've done a few finalees, haven't we?

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But not many pilots.

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We have.

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So this is called Emissary, uh, with a story by Rick Berman and Michael Piller, and it's directed by David Carson, and it aired on the 3rd of January 1993, and over on the Enterprise D. We had just had chain of command part 2 and our next episode is going to be ship in a bottle.

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Oh, yeah, good time for Star Trek.

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It is quite a good time for Star Trek.

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I gather that you're fairly indifferent about this one, is that right?

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Yeah, well, as a show, you know, Deeks waste.

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I can take it or leave it, you know?

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No, I mean, I will say, and it sounds like hyperbole, but I think emissary may be responsible for me being here today. and doing untitled Star Trek project because I genuinely had never aged 13 seen television quite like this because I was only watching, you know, kids television until this point. and my mum watched emissary and said, I think you'll really like this.

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Um, you, you know, because I love TNG, but that wasn't the most sophisticated of programs and um, we watched it together and my mind was blown.

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The discussion of religion, the sort of intense look at somebody's mental health, somebody having a breakdown.

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Um, the political situation that it drew.

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I just hadn't seen TV that intelligently looked at things like that before.

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But on the same time, I was sort of blown away by how it looked for 93.

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You know, there was a lot of money that was thrown at this, 18000000 or something like that.

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Like it was the most expensive pilot, I think, to that point.

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And yeah, and I just didn't look back from that point.

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I was a DS9 fan for life.

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Mum and I watched the entire run of D Space 9 together. one of 2 shows that we watched together, um, which ended up being some of the best conversations I think I ever had with her and certainly some of my fondest memories with her.

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So, whilst I can see, I can see flaws in emissary, I can see it's a show that will evolve and this certainly isn't where they land with a lot of things ultimately.

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I think it's a really impressive debut, and I think it's going out of its way to differentiate itself from TNG in lots of interesting ways.

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So I can't wait to talk about this one.

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Yeah, I'm excited as well.

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I think it's really good and I think I always have.

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I think this time, what I thought was really, really good is that 2nd half where Cisco's talking to the prophets, and I just think it's so strong and so clever and so well done.

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And I also just think just the way that it sets everything up because it's not a particularly complex plot.

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It is very straightforward.

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It does spend most of its time introducing the cast, which it tends to do very deftly.

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There are some overwritten parts.

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I think, you know, for sure.

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That's probably why they set me to this guard forsaken place.

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That porn.

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Nah.

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That's the worst thing.

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But everyone's very charming.

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Everyone's very likeable.

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The show is really fun and interesting.

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The fact that you have a spaceship and various ships gives it a scale where, you know, it's not just our thing where we're on a ship.

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Immediately, it opens up a different kind of way of telling stories.

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There isn't a massive guest cast, but some important people appear for the 1st time.

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Oh, which is really interesting.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, lots of planets have in Italy.

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As well, I couldn't watch the pilot.

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Yeah.

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And he's magnificent.

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He's really good in it.

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We do get to see J.G. Hansler very briefly at the beginning in a completely different role and he'll become very important later.

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Don't you think that's glorious because he plays a role in season one and a role in season 7 that aren't Martok. and that's all the fabulous Martok.

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They just can't get enough of him, can they?

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Yeah, yeah.

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I know he's terrific in it as well.

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And you know, you can see it doing things that TNG gets wrong, but you can also see it doing things that it learns from TNG.

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And I do think, for instance, that starting it with the Battle of Wolf 359, which is the 1st event.

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Remember when we did best of both worlds?

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And I said, this is the 1st historical event in Star Trek history. the franchise, isn't it?

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Exactly right.

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And it's the 1st event that we've seen play out and result in emotional consequences for a character.

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And so we had family, exploring how Picard was affected by that.

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And so that's what we lean into in this episode.

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We lean into Wolf 359.

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And what I really like about it is that it starts embedded in Star Trek, but that the arc that Cisco undergoes is an arc of moving on from that and being excited by the future.

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And that's the most interesting thing, I think, that when he's still there, when he's someone who never left the Saratoga, has always been there during the Battle of Wolf 359, one of those beautiful lines.

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And one of the most stunning revelations in the thing, I think all of that's so well handled.

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But when he's explaining to the prophets what the future is and why not knowing what the future is thrilling and exciting.

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Using the baseball.

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Exactly.

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And he's embracing the future, but he's also introducing it to us and allowing us kind of to take that approach as well.

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A future where we don't know what's going to happen.

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That's the fun of it.

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We don't know where it's going to go, and it's entirely about this riding team's approach to the show.

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We don't know where it's going at this and it's really, really exciting that we value our ignorance of the future.

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And from this point of view, now, Deep Say Snine's defined.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Now that DC Stone's defined, we don't have that ignorance of the future anymore, but it just reminded me how exciting the prospect of that was and how much it was about the show as much as it is about Cisco's life.

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Well, you know where we're going, don't you?

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They've just spent 8000000 on this thing.

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We ain't leaving the station for the rest of the season.

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That's so expensive as well, though.

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The one thing that really stood out to me was just how dirty and broken down and how not the enterprise this setting is.

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It's not a beautiful lounge with carpet on the walls, you know, there is, there's a bit of grit here, and I like that cork's bars introduced in a sort of smoky, grungy sort of a way with all of the low lives of the galaxy in there, and you're just like, yeah, do you know what?

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We ain't in Kansas anymore.

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We are in a way station on the edge of the galaxy where basically anyone can come and adventures are rife.

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It's really exciting Yeah, I think it's really great.

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I think it's really good.

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I'm looking forward to seeing again.

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Well, obviously, we'll point out as we go through as well.

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Like there are things that aren't formed here.

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And then I'll hair for one. worst hair.

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Poor Terry's performance.

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And it's worth talking about Terry Farrell, because I think it is possibly the most impressive development of a performance from sort of here to where she lands.

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Because when she gets there, she's one of the most vital characters we've ever seen in Star Trek.

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But here, she's very quiet.

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She's got rounds beyond her back.

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She was like a monk, isn't she, going around sort of quoting Technobabble all the time.

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Yeah, she gets to chill a little bit.

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I think Armin is kind of overplaying it.

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He's having the occasional last outpost moment still.

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Not some of his lines, though.

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What is it?

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When governments fall, people like me are lined up and shot.

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All of that stuff too, like all of that, you know, the provisional government staff, you're right.

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I can see why you thought as a kid that this was incredibly grown up because, you know, we had had hints of this towards the end of Star Trek, the Next Generation, and Star Trek, the Next Generation, will move into that a bit where you've got the McKee and various other sort of things that lead to Voyager as well.

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So it's starting to take place in a world that's a little bit more like contemporary politics or kind of reflect some contemporary concerns.

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Doesn't linger, though. does it?

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It doesn't linger on TNG because we're off to another adventure.

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We're stuck here and the mistakes we make today will have consequences tomorrow.

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And, that's not a revelation in terms of, of drama, but it is a revelation in terms of Star Trek.

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Yeah, yeah.

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I mean, you can't say where it's going and the show does kind of say that.

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And, you know, they didn't know where it was going, but they do set up something which lets them develop things in the long term.

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It wasn't 100% necessary for them to do it.

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They could have done a much less serialised version of this, but I'm glad that they didn't because it really pays off and just makes for something really fun and interesting, I think.

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The thing that really, really stood out, amongst things that really stood out, was Avery Brooks, and just what a sound choice that was giving him this part.

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And I think he is after this a bit quiet in series one.

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Yes.

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But I think he walks into this episode and he's charismatic and he's taken on a difficult position and he plays that scene where he breaks down.

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It is heartbreaking when he when he breaks down.

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And I just, I mean, I suppose we do get that from Picard in family, but I don't know, this just feels more brutal somehow.

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There's something about Avery Brooks and his heart on his sleeve that just feels like, you remember Far Beyond the Stars?

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It's just so raw.

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Yeah.

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I think that I think that Avery Brooks plays those things better than Patrick Stewart does.

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I'm always slightly embarrassed by Patrick Stewart going over the top.

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No, no, no.

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When Patrick Stewart goes over the top in family, I find that a little bit awkward, but I really like this.

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And I think too, you know, we gave one of the regulars a child in Star Trek the Next Generation, obviously it had to be the woman.

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So here, giving the main character, the commander, the central character a child, and making that child not a special magical child, but just an ordinary kid, is great. reaction, isn't it?

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It's always a reaction to what basically nobody liked about TNG.

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Yeah, yeah, but, but also things like, like, it makes the mistake of only having 2 women, you know, in a large regular cast, and that's a problem, and they will learn from that, eventually.

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They do address it.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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But by the time we get to seven, we've got a whole cast of semi-regulars.

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Yeah that's right.

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And lots more women.

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But the 2 women are the science officer and the 2nd in command, rather than the, you know, chief nurse and handholder, like we have on the enterprise.

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And that's great.

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You know, like Nanan's a great character and eventually...

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She's in charge, isn't she?

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She's the one doing all the bluff into the Kardashians.

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Fire that one shot or we've only got one shot.

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Yeah, we ain't gonna win it with that, all right?

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It's so good.

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It's so good.

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And you're right.

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She's kind of the central character because Avery's off in his subplot learning about grief and loss and the future and moving on and stuff, and she's doing all the exciting space stuff, and that's really great, and she's really good at it.

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Like, she's really compelling.

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She's constantly in the chair for our, um, Deep Space 9, and Nana said in an interview, every time I was in that chair.

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I felt so powerful.

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He's not having it back, all right?

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Do you know what?

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I think we're going to have a lot of fun watching this.

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But I think there's a lot of substance to talk about as well.

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Yeah, I do too.

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All right.

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I think we should go in.

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What do you think?

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I'm ready.

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Okay.

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I will count us in.

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Five, four, three, two, one and we're off.

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It's our 1st crawl.

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It's a great opening this.

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It just drags you into this thing, doesn't it?

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Well, it gives them a chance to do something that they must have thought they would never have been able to do because Star Trek the Next Generation moves on after best of both worlds.

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It does haunt the rest of the run of the show.

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But the thing that they couldn't afford to do was to depict the Battle of Wolf 359, which is why the big money shot in best of both worlds is the ships, yeah, the graveyard of destroyed ships because that's all they could afford.

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Here we're actually seeing the ships being destroyed.

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We've just seen bunches and bunches of them.

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It doesn't compare to what battles will be like by season 7 of Deep Space Guy.

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It's stitchy.

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Well, for 93.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I mean, all of the all of the camera work around that book cube is pretty dynamic.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Look, that POV shop from La Cutus's point of view.

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Yep, yep.

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All of that.

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It's really good Do you know the thing when I 1st watched this, the thing that really stood out to me immediately wasn't the battle sequence, although it was terribly exciting.

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It was just how personal this all was.

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And the point here isn't that the Federation, I fight in the Borg.

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The point is, a man's just lost his wife.

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And it was a version of Star Trek that I just couldn't conceive at that point.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah.

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I mean, again, you know, like Beverly has lost her husband, um, before the thing opens, you know, she's a widow, just like he's a widower.

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But and we do occasionally visit that.

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That is a thing that's part of the backstory.

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But here having it vividly depicted and making the 1st episode about moving on from that.

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And I guess it really is only as we record now that I realise that it's moving on from TNG to DS9, you know, as much as anything else.

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But this is so great.

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It's properly nasty.

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I mean, Jake J.

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Hurst was already dead.

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And he was there on the floor.

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It looked like Garrett from yesterday's Enterprise, covered in blood, rocks everywhere.

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Yeah, his Dora.

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Dora's not being paid to answer that question though.

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But we've never done that in the next generation.

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You just find someone in utter distress in the middle of a crisis like that.

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Yeah, it is that weird thing where we've taken a ship full of civilians and children and stuff to find the book, but what are you going to do?

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There wasn't time to offload them.

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No, that's right.

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Yeah, we had to get everybody there post-haste.

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I mean, I even love that shot out the window of the ship exploding.

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It's amazing, isn't it?

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And he had a choice here, and this would have been a different show if he'd have chosen Jennifer, right?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

214
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The little, little Jake.

215
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Oh, no.

216
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No.

217
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No, that's young, Jake.

218
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So, like Jennifer's dead, obviously, already by this point.

219
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Um, and it's, I just think the way that this imagery gets played with later and the way that we get to revisit it is so good.

220
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And I think the woman who plays Jennifer is really great.

221
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Like really properly great.

222
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And does she come back how many times?

223
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Once or twice?

224
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Twice in 2 alternative universe episodes.

225
00:16:24.299 --> 00:16:26.039
Yeah, in season 3 of season four.

226
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Yeah, and she's terrific.

227
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She's really good in this.

228
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She's great on the beach, isn't she?

229
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My mother always told me to watch out for junior officers.

230
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I love his line.

231
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Your mother is going to adore me.

232
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It's so good.

233
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So good.

234
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He's talking about that aubergine shoe that we ended up seeing Daxi in the Nagus.

235
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Do you remember?

236
00:16:45.779 --> 00:16:55.620
Although, I get the impression that the father's supposed to be dead at this point because he does say my father was a... a...

237
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He sent the awesome one as well in season two.

238
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He goes, I knew there was nothing I could do to save my father.

239
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And then he turns up in series four.

240
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Like we say, they do improvise occasionally.

241
00:17:08.579 --> 00:17:09.240
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

242
00:17:09.299 --> 00:17:09.900
Okay, all right.

243
00:17:09.960 --> 00:17:10.559
So he was dead.

244
00:17:10.680 --> 00:17:11.460
No, fair enough.

245
00:17:11.519 --> 00:17:15.779
There's a terrific shot of the shuttle shooting a white.

246
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There it is.

247
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Yeah, yeah.

248
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But when it stops shuddering and the moment it's free of the Saratoga, it just heads off.

249
00:17:21.839 --> 00:17:27.299
And the way that he's looking into that's where his wife was, that's where he left her.

250
00:17:27.299 --> 00:17:32.940
And I think what's really great too is the choice.

251
00:17:33.000 --> 00:17:36.359
Like just he closes his eyes and slowly turns away.

252
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The choice to not go to the opening credits with that is the right choice as well.

253
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So now we're 3 years later and we're on the holodeck.

254
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And look how good our good Syrac is.

255
00:17:49.500 --> 00:17:52.019
He's so amazingly right.

256
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The chemistry between these two.

257
00:17:53.940 --> 00:18:02.940
And it's because Avery, as an actor, embraced Sirok Lofton and took him into his family straight away.

258
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He took a very frightened child who suddenly had a massive role on television and was so kind to him. father and son.

259
00:18:11.460 --> 00:18:12.960
It's wonderful, isn't it?

260
00:18:13.019 --> 00:18:14.940
And we know...

261
00:18:14.940 --> 00:18:19.319
Sorry, just a decision to have a black family.

262
00:18:19.380 --> 00:18:22.500
Oh, yeah, yeah. displaying so much love.

263
00:18:22.559 --> 00:18:25.980
I mean, it's ridiculous to say it.

264
00:18:26.039 --> 00:18:27.299
It was kind of revolutionary.

265
00:18:27.359 --> 00:18:28.559
Yeah, yeah.

266
00:18:28.619 --> 00:18:30.599
I think for us, do you know what I mean?

267
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as white people, as just white guys, like, just, like, because I've seen this portrayed over and over again in media since then, but just the, like, the love, the, just the incredible tactility of their relationship, they're always touching one another.

268
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It's so sweet.

269
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And like he's 14.

270
00:18:48.299 --> 00:18:51.420
So Syric is 10 years younger than I am.

271
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He's 14 years old at this point.

272
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He's 21 by the time the show ends.

273
00:18:56.519 --> 00:18:57.420
Look at that opening shot.

274
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It grows a few inches in that time.

275
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He's towering over Cisco by the end.

276
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It's always this thing where you can't stick in because he's queued at 14. and then puberty comes and suddenly he's a horror show.

277
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See the nanny.

278
00:19:12.960 --> 00:19:15.900
But that's not the case with Serong.

279
00:19:15.960 --> 00:19:20.039
No, he grows into a handsome man and seeing him recently on Starfleet Academy.

280
00:19:20.099 --> 00:19:22.140
He's a properly handsome app, isn't he?

281
00:19:22.799 --> 00:19:24.839
I mean, he looks like Avery's son now, doesn't he?

282
00:19:24.900 --> 00:19:25.619
doesn't he?

283
00:19:25.619 --> 00:19:26.220
doesn't he?

284
00:19:26.279 --> 00:19:33.000
Well, all that stuff that we learned about that relationship through tawny and 3 interviews and stuff was just incredible.

285
00:19:33.059 --> 00:19:33.839
It's beautiful.

286
00:19:33.900 --> 00:19:34.980
I can't wait till we roll that one.

287
00:19:35.039 --> 00:19:37.019
That was going to be a banger on a commentary.

288
00:19:37.079 --> 00:19:40.380
Well, we're seeing this station now as we're sort of heading towards it.

289
00:19:40.440 --> 00:19:45.119
Lonely Outpost and there's sort of, uh, Led Shake music as we head towards it.

290
00:19:45.180 --> 00:19:58.799
But I watched a special feature with the designers for this commentary and they show you all of the versions of what you could have had before they landed on.

291
00:19:58.920 --> 00:20:01.380
No, it's going to be a Cardassian station.

292
00:20:01.440 --> 00:20:04.980
And there was like Starfeet designs and they were also boring.

293
00:20:05.099 --> 00:20:07.259
They all look so tedious.

294
00:20:07.319 --> 00:20:09.900
And then it was 2 circles, right?

295
00:20:09.960 --> 00:20:14.940
A circle and then another circle as a vertical circle and a horizontal circle.

296
00:20:15.059 --> 00:20:21.180
That was going to be it, and it was Berman finally coming up with a creatively sound decision.

297
00:20:21.240 --> 00:20:25.920
He went, no, take off that bit and that bit and have it as like teeth in the air.

298
00:20:25.980 --> 00:20:28.259
And it's a great look.

299
00:20:28.380 --> 00:20:32.819
It's so, I mean, they wanted a station that said, this is deep space nine.

300
00:20:32.880 --> 00:20:36.660
You literally, you can't see any other show looking at that. can you?

301
00:20:36.720 --> 00:20:38.700
I just even think making it dark brown.

302
00:20:38.759 --> 00:20:48.420
You know the way the discovery decides that all of the ships are going to be sort of this burnish brass colour instead of the, instead of the, you know, federation blue gray?

303
00:20:48.480 --> 00:20:55.980
And that's a really interesting choice here, just making this dark brown and making the interiors dark brown as well.

304
00:20:56.039 --> 00:20:58.019
I think just really works.

305
00:20:58.079 --> 00:20:59.579
It's a stunning model.

306
00:20:59.640 --> 00:21:04.799
And this opening shot too, with the enterprise, where we go around the docking pylons and stuff.

307
00:21:04.859 --> 00:21:08.579
I've learned the names of all of the bits of the ship of the station, by the way.

308
00:21:08.640 --> 00:21:10.680
Have you got the technical manual?

309
00:21:10.799 --> 00:21:12.240
No, I just looked it up.

310
00:21:12.299 --> 00:21:17.279
It's called the space station, this episode too, just in case we don't realise it's the space station.

311
00:21:17.339 --> 00:21:19.440
Then they start calling it the station.

312
00:21:19.500 --> 00:21:19.980
Look at that.

313
00:21:20.039 --> 00:21:24.599
You just got to see the bridge on the top level there, but they haven't actually built the proper top level.

314
00:21:24.660 --> 00:21:25.079
Yeah, yeah.

315
00:21:25.079 --> 00:21:28.079
But they're trying to suggest it's a split level set at this point.

316
00:21:28.140 --> 00:21:29.880
And we do that in the final shot.

317
00:21:29.940 --> 00:21:32.400
The final shot goes back up there, remember?

318
00:21:32.460 --> 00:21:37.980
And it's all cleaned up and now it's the space mall that we'll get to know for the next 7 years.

319
00:21:38.039 --> 00:21:40.079
Look at the state of it, Nathan.

320
00:21:40.140 --> 00:21:41.460
Looks like Empoc Norm.

321
00:21:41.519 --> 00:21:42.240
God, doesn't it?

322
00:21:43.140 --> 00:21:45.359
Uncanny, isn't it?

323
00:21:46.319 --> 00:21:51.599
I did no, I remember watching this going, oh, Christ, this isn't the Enterprise.

324
00:21:51.660 --> 00:21:52.380
Look at the state of it.

325
00:21:52.440 --> 00:21:54.779
How could they ever going to make this look pristine?

326
00:21:54.839 --> 00:21:56.400
And where's the carpet on the walls?

327
00:21:56.460 --> 00:21:59.339
What do you think of the outfits?

328
00:21:59.400 --> 00:22:04.019
The, like what, um, what uh, combs wearing here?

329
00:22:04.079 --> 00:22:07.319
Uh, is it not what they land with?

330
00:22:07.380 --> 00:22:09.660
Yeah, it is what they land with, but we haven't talked about it.

331
00:22:09.720 --> 00:22:11.220
I like them.

332
00:22:11.279 --> 00:22:12.000
I like the black.

333
00:22:12.059 --> 00:22:13.740
I like the predominantly black.

334
00:22:13.799 --> 00:22:16.019
It's quite slimming, you know.

335
00:22:16.079 --> 00:22:17.099
I think so too.

336
00:22:17.160 --> 00:22:19.920
I do think they look a bit pajama-y at times.

337
00:22:19.980 --> 00:22:22.859
And like the pockets don't do them any favour. don't they?

338
00:22:23.220 --> 00:22:29.039
But the, you know, they kind of, you know, because they've got like elastic in them and stuff.

339
00:22:29.099 --> 00:22:34.140
They just seem like track pants sometimes, but they seem that military, but I do like them too.

340
00:22:34.200 --> 00:22:35.279
I like the black.

341
00:22:35.400 --> 00:22:36.839
Francisco has no idea.

342
00:22:36.900 --> 00:22:39.839
He's just talked to this monk and he said, come on, commander, it's time.

343
00:22:39.900 --> 00:22:41.819
And he goes, I don't know, another time.

344
00:22:41.880 --> 00:22:49.440
And he has no idea that the conversations he eventually has with these people will change his life a spare time as well.

345
00:22:49.680 --> 00:22:54.539
And you know, it's one of those lines I use in my life all the time.

346
00:22:54.599 --> 00:22:56.700
Commander, it is time.

347
00:22:56.880 --> 00:22:59.579
People go, why are you calling me commander?

348
00:23:00.059 --> 00:23:03.480
Oh, it's just the food replicator.

349
00:23:03.599 --> 00:23:04.259
Come on.

350
00:23:04.319 --> 00:23:06.420
I know, it's so cute, is it?

351
00:23:06.480 --> 00:23:07.019
It's so good.

352
00:23:07.079 --> 00:23:07.799
It's so good.

353
00:23:07.920 --> 00:23:10.259
He's so unimpressed by it.

354
00:23:10.319 --> 00:23:14.039
It's not safe to be out because there's looters about.

355
00:23:14.099 --> 00:23:16.799
It's just a bit more dangerous, isn't it?

356
00:23:16.859 --> 00:23:17.339
Yeah.

357
00:23:17.400 --> 00:23:18.660
I mean, it won't last.

358
00:23:18.720 --> 00:23:20.160
I mean, of course, who's the looter?

359
00:23:20.220 --> 00:23:20.940
It's his best friend?

360
00:23:21.000 --> 00:23:21.660
No.

361
00:23:21.660 --> 00:23:22.500
Yeah, that's right.

362
00:23:22.559 --> 00:23:23.279
That's so fun.

363
00:23:23.339 --> 00:23:24.539
So great.

364
00:23:24.599 --> 00:23:29.640
I mean, has ever a character taken an incredible journey, like Nog.

365
00:23:29.700 --> 00:23:31.259
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

366
00:23:31.319 --> 00:23:32.279
It is amazing.

367
00:23:32.339 --> 00:23:34.140
He does get mentioned by name.

368
00:23:34.200 --> 00:23:36.000
I think he wants.

369
00:23:36.059 --> 00:23:37.559
I think we hear his name.

370
00:23:37.619 --> 00:23:42.720
Rom is there at the Darbo table, but he doesn't get credited by name.

371
00:23:42.779 --> 00:23:43.859
He's like Darbo guy.

372
00:23:43.920 --> 00:23:50.759
I love how he makes fun, how, um, Ben makes fun of, um, of little.

373
00:23:50.880 --> 00:23:52.799
Okay, and just go going.

374
00:23:54.180 --> 00:23:59.339
That is how that is how fathers and sons take the piss out of each other though, isn't it?

375
00:23:59.400 --> 00:24:00.000
so cute.

376
00:24:00.119 --> 00:24:01.980
I fucking love the opposite.

377
00:24:02.039 --> 00:24:05.099
I mean, they've learned some messes here, haven't they, from Next Generation?

378
00:24:05.160 --> 00:24:06.779
Oh, that's a terrible set.

379
00:24:06.839 --> 00:24:08.279
I mean, that's a shockingly bad set.

380
00:24:09.240 --> 00:24:21.599
Yeah, yeah. it's really good And again, like it, I, it's not, you know, you see those big shots of the enterprise set. very clear how everything's laid out.

381
00:24:21.660 --> 00:24:29.700
Even after watching the show for 30 years or more, I still don't have quite the sense of what that space, how that space works.

382
00:24:29.759 --> 00:24:30.839
Do you know what I mean?

383
00:24:30.900 --> 00:24:31.740
Like where everything is.

384
00:24:31.859 --> 00:24:34.380
It doesn't seem to be symmetrical, for instance.

385
00:24:34.440 --> 00:24:40.920
And I think they learn from this set when they do the Voyager set as well, which is just a bit not interesting.

386
00:24:40.980 --> 00:24:47.460
I'm going to cancel the Tom Paris salamander toy for Christmas and send you the Deep Space 9 technical manual instead, all right?

387
00:24:47.519 --> 00:24:49.019
So you can understand everything for next time.

388
00:24:49.440 --> 00:24:50.819
Okay.

389
00:24:50.880 --> 00:24:52.200
Do we use the lift in this one?

390
00:24:52.259 --> 00:24:53.339
I hope so.

391
00:24:53.400 --> 00:24:54.599
Chuddering lift.

392
00:24:54.660 --> 00:24:56.460
Oh, here she is.

393
00:24:56.519 --> 00:24:58.259
You're being terrible hair.

394
00:24:58.619 --> 00:25:01.799
A terrible, terrible ladyhead.

395
00:25:01.859 --> 00:25:03.900
When she says Godforsaken place.

396
00:25:03.960 --> 00:25:06.660
She sort of runs her hands for her hair, doesn't she?

397
00:25:06.720 --> 00:25:08.579
Looking very haggard.

398
00:25:08.640 --> 00:25:15.900
What I really like, though, is she finds a way, the 1st way of hanging up, of slamming the phone down in Star Trek.

399
00:25:15.900 --> 00:25:17.339
Because what are you supposed to do?

400
00:25:17.400 --> 00:25:20.880
You're supposed to sort of tap yourself on the shoulder and stuff and that's how you hang up a call.

401
00:25:20.940 --> 00:25:24.900
So she actually smashes her hand on the desk in order to hang up on him, which is just perfect.

402
00:25:24.960 --> 00:25:31.559
It's this line where she says, because I have a bad habit of telling people the truth, even when they don't want to hear it, and you kind of think, oh, come on.

403
00:25:31.619 --> 00:25:32.519
We just not.

404
00:25:32.519 --> 00:25:32.940
Come on out.

405
00:25:33.000 --> 00:25:35.460
We get to progress and duet by the end of the season.

406
00:25:35.519 --> 00:25:37.380
They find her very...

407
00:25:37.440 --> 00:25:37.980
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

408
00:25:38.099 --> 00:25:45.599
But, you know, like we can tell. like we don't need we don't need her to say that.

409
00:25:45.660 --> 00:25:48.839
In fact, it makes her a slightly annoying person to say that.

410
00:25:48.900 --> 00:25:50.400
But she is really good.

411
00:25:50.460 --> 00:25:58.500
And what I like about this too is that every not put off by her and in fact slightly amused by her.

412
00:25:58.559 --> 00:25:59.819
Do you know why that is?

413
00:25:59.940 --> 00:26:00.599
No.

414
00:26:00.660 --> 00:26:02.460
These scenes were reshaw.

415
00:26:02.519 --> 00:26:04.799
So there's 2 scenes.

416
00:26:04.859 --> 00:26:06.299
Their early scenes.

417
00:26:06.359 --> 00:26:10.859
So this was an early seen shot where he played this, giving her the aggression back.

418
00:26:10.920 --> 00:26:15.240
And they looked at the rushes and went, no, lighting it up.

419
00:26:15.299 --> 00:26:19.019
You're supposed to be coming in, a charming man. and look at him.

420
00:26:19.079 --> 00:26:21.000
He's got a, he's taken the note.

421
00:26:21.059 --> 00:26:22.559
He's got a big rye grin on his face.

422
00:26:22.619 --> 00:26:24.119
Yeah, I really like it.

423
00:26:24.180 --> 00:26:25.619
I really like it a lot.

424
00:26:25.680 --> 00:26:31.140
I think there's, there are one or 2 scenes, 2 scenes that I think are odd, and I will talk about them later.

425
00:26:31.200 --> 00:26:38.400
There's one kind of little subplot here, which I find the beats of it are odd, and I don't quite know why it's happening that way.

426
00:26:38.460 --> 00:26:39.839
But I do like that.

427
00:26:39.900 --> 00:26:42.480
And even there where he raises eyebrows and goes, yeah.

428
00:26:42.539 --> 00:26:43.740
I think I'll follow her, you know.

429
00:26:44.279 --> 00:26:46.619
Is the other one the one?

430
00:26:46.619 --> 00:26:47.460
Oh, here's Nog.

431
00:26:47.519 --> 00:26:48.480
Yeah, there's Nog.

432
00:26:48.539 --> 00:26:50.160
Is the other one, the scene with Jakar?

433
00:26:50.220 --> 00:26:52.440
What's the other one that they really shoot, do you know?

434
00:26:52.500 --> 00:26:54.180
It's on memory alpha.

435
00:26:54.240 --> 00:26:55.980
They do list both the scenes, yeah.

436
00:26:56.039 --> 00:27:00.720
It's not like reshooting in caretaker, you know, where it's a different lead actress.

437
00:27:00.779 --> 00:27:03.599
It's just the same actor, giving a different performance.

438
00:27:03.660 --> 00:27:08.220
Who's this fellow that Noggs hanging out with doing his feeding?

439
00:27:08.279 --> 00:27:12.059
I think it's a makeup that we see quite a bit over the next 7 years.

440
00:27:12.119 --> 00:27:16.079
I think he might be a euridion, you know. all got teeth coming out of his face.

441
00:27:16.140 --> 00:27:18.299
Oh, maybe, but the, yeah, maybe he is.

442
00:27:18.420 --> 00:27:23.099
The Uridians are the guys in, oh, what is it, in birthright, isn't it?

443
00:27:24.299 --> 00:27:26.220
Yes, of course it is.

444
00:27:26.279 --> 00:27:27.059
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

445
00:27:27.119 --> 00:27:28.200
Oh, dear, look.

446
00:27:28.259 --> 00:27:30.119
This is the 1st Odo morph effect.

447
00:27:30.180 --> 00:27:31.740
Now, that hasn't dated so well.

448
00:27:32.700 --> 00:27:35.160
But it was very cool at the time.

449
00:27:35.220 --> 00:27:38.160
I was like, 0 my god, that man's a shapeshifter.

450
00:27:38.220 --> 00:27:39.059
It can be anything he wants.

451
00:27:39.119 --> 00:27:40.500
Yeah, yeah.

452
00:27:40.559 --> 00:27:43.200
I mean, it's a great idea for kids. don't you think?

453
00:27:43.259 --> 00:27:46.440
Like, having a shapeshifter as part of the regular crew.

454
00:27:46.500 --> 00:27:52.140
Look, I'm sure it worked a treat in Space 9, 1999 series 2.

455
00:27:53.819 --> 00:27:57.180
They've taken all their tips from Freiburger here.

456
00:27:57.960 --> 00:28:00.059
Can I say too?

457
00:28:00.119 --> 00:28:05.819
So this is Renee and Armond for the 1st time in a pretty great scene, I think.

458
00:28:05.880 --> 00:28:08.160
And I think Renee is really good.

459
00:28:08.220 --> 00:28:12.359
And I think his makeup is best.

460
00:28:12.720 --> 00:28:13.799
You've said this before.

461
00:28:13.859 --> 00:28:17.220
Well, because he looks more like a person, doesn't he?

462
00:28:17.279 --> 00:28:18.960
Less like a slab of latex.

463
00:28:19.019 --> 00:28:19.980
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

464
00:28:20.039 --> 00:28:20.460
Yeah.

465
00:28:20.519 --> 00:28:21.000
Yeah.

466
00:28:21.119 --> 00:28:23.640
But it just it all looks older though, doesn't it?

467
00:28:23.700 --> 00:28:26.099
Because you can see sort of the wrinkles in his face.

468
00:28:26.160 --> 00:28:27.240
But that's okay.

469
00:28:27.299 --> 00:28:30.420
I think that works for him as a character and because he is older.

470
00:28:30.480 --> 00:28:33.960
I mean, he is older than the rest of the regular cast, isn't he, Renee?

471
00:28:34.019 --> 00:28:35.279
Like he's significantly older.

472
00:28:35.339 --> 00:28:39.960
He's certainly one of the most experienced actors. and that's very visible.

473
00:28:40.019 --> 00:28:44.220
Oh, Nathan, this scene in a minute when they go into the security office.

474
00:28:44.279 --> 00:28:45.240
I love it.

475
00:28:45.299 --> 00:28:47.579
What's the singer at the end?

476
00:28:47.640 --> 00:28:49.019
Odo goes, do you know what?

477
00:28:49.079 --> 00:28:51.119
I didn't think I was going to like him.

478
00:28:51.599 --> 00:28:53.160
So great.

479
00:28:53.220 --> 00:28:54.359
And he says it.

480
00:28:54.420 --> 00:28:59.099
What he does is he says it to torment Quark.

481
00:28:59.160 --> 00:28:59.759
It's just there.

482
00:28:59.819 --> 00:29:00.839
They got it, haven't they?

483
00:29:00.900 --> 00:29:01.920
Yeah, it's so good.

484
00:29:01.980 --> 00:29:02.940
They're like, right.

485
00:29:03.000 --> 00:29:05.940
This is our Spocken McCoy of Big Space nine.

486
00:29:06.000 --> 00:29:07.019
That's exactly it.

487
00:29:07.079 --> 00:29:08.460
It wasn't just a funny line.

488
00:29:08.519 --> 00:29:14.099
It was a funny line that was doing something in the scene and revealing the character. thought it was so good.

489
00:29:14.160 --> 00:29:15.839
Oh, do you know what?

490
00:29:15.900 --> 00:29:18.900
I need to talk about these transitions to the enterprise, right?

491
00:29:18.960 --> 00:29:20.880
Because later on, I'll forget it when it happens.

492
00:29:20.940 --> 00:29:25.980
There's a wonderful moment where the enterprise zooms off and everyone said their goodbyes, yeah?

493
00:29:26.039 --> 00:29:30.779
And then it's sort of like, da, da, da, da. all very jolly and enterprisy.

494
00:29:30.839 --> 00:29:38.220
And then it cuts to ops and it's really dark and the music and it's almost making a deliberate tonal shift from one to the other.

495
00:29:38.279 --> 00:29:41.039
So what I think is odd here.

496
00:29:41.099 --> 00:29:42.660
I think there are other things too.

497
00:29:42.720 --> 00:29:45.839
When Picard leaves for the episode for the 1st time.

498
00:29:45.900 --> 00:29:53.880
I think he's very definitely handing over. to Avery, like absolutely, and we'll talk about that.

499
00:29:53.940 --> 00:29:57.720
But I don't understand the dynamics of these 2 scenes.

500
00:29:57.779 --> 00:30:02.339
So there's a 2 scenes between Picard and Cisco.

501
00:30:02.400 --> 00:30:09.960
And in this scene, Cisco is angry at Picard, and Picard is slightly on the back foot.

502
00:30:10.019 --> 00:30:20.700
Yeah, because he was locutous and he can't deny it and he's also aware of what happened to him and we're aware of that as Star Trek fans as well.

503
00:30:20.759 --> 00:30:21.839
And he's...

504
00:30:21.839 --> 00:30:23.039
It felt like he was complicit.

505
00:30:23.099 --> 00:30:24.180
They would have picked someone.

506
00:30:24.240 --> 00:30:25.380
No, no, that's right.

507
00:30:25.440 --> 00:30:29.759
But, I mean, that, you know, it still makes sense. you know we saw what he went through.

508
00:30:29.819 --> 00:30:40.980
Um, and he's really angry and stony faced and, and, and Pecan tries to get through to him, but doesn't really, and then eventually he just responds with aggression.

509
00:30:41.039 --> 00:30:41.880
Do you know what I mean?

510
00:30:41.880 --> 00:30:43.740
and says, I'm going to do my job.

511
00:30:43.799 --> 00:30:44.759
In the meantime.

512
00:30:44.819 --> 00:30:46.019
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

513
00:30:46.079 --> 00:30:46.500
Yeah.

514
00:30:46.559 --> 00:30:49.380
And like, I just, like, what is that?

515
00:30:49.440 --> 00:30:50.759
I don't know what that is.

516
00:30:50.819 --> 00:30:55.140
It doesn't enamour us to Cisco because we like, we like the card.

517
00:30:55.259 --> 00:30:58.200
So and we've done a bit of work to make Cisco charming.

518
00:30:58.259 --> 00:31:00.720
So why are we now making him a cunt?

519
00:31:00.779 --> 00:31:01.980
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

520
00:31:02.039 --> 00:31:04.920
And then at the end, obviously he's been through a thing.

521
00:31:04.980 --> 00:31:13.799
And so when we see the scene at the end, he's learning to move on from, you know, the Saratoga and from Jennifer and so on.

522
00:31:13.920 --> 00:31:17.940
And so he's no longer angry, but now he's on the back foot.

523
00:31:18.000 --> 00:31:19.200
Do you know what I mean?

524
00:31:19.259 --> 00:31:20.039
And Picants as well.

525
00:31:20.099 --> 00:31:23.819
I don't know if I can ignore. your request to leave and all of that sort of thing.

526
00:31:23.880 --> 00:31:26.700
And I kind of, what is, why are we we doing this?

527
00:31:26.759 --> 00:31:28.859
I think he should have just been more amiable.

528
00:31:28.920 --> 00:31:33.900
Well, I don't know why they're circling around each other and what the purpose of the hostility is, really.

529
00:31:33.960 --> 00:31:34.920
Do you know what I mean?

530
00:31:34.980 --> 00:31:36.180
Like, it just seems awkward.

531
00:31:36.240 --> 00:31:37.920
I kind of get it here.

532
00:31:37.980 --> 00:31:42.599
I just feel like at the end, it should have just been a more interesting to watch.

533
00:31:42.660 --> 00:31:43.200
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

534
00:31:43.200 --> 00:31:45.240
It seems like the count in that same room.

535
00:31:45.299 --> 00:31:45.660
Yeah, yeah.

536
00:31:45.720 --> 00:31:47.099
I'm not quite sure why he does that.

537
00:31:47.160 --> 00:31:49.440
You know, like I'm not quite sure why he does that.

538
00:31:49.500 --> 00:31:55.799
I mean, you're showing a healed Cisco between these 2 scenes, but I don't know quite what's going on with Pecan.

539
00:31:55.859 --> 00:31:57.660
It's almost like Picard's been slighted.

540
00:31:57.720 --> 00:32:00.299
So now the power shifted in his hands.

541
00:32:00.359 --> 00:32:04.079
It just seems like why are these 2 men getting their dicks out?

542
00:32:04.140 --> 00:32:04.859
Do you know what I mean?

543
00:32:04.920 --> 00:32:10.259
Like, it just seems, you know, I think they're pushing the conflict a bit too far.

544
00:32:10.319 --> 00:32:12.599
They would learn to be more subtle this stuff.

545
00:32:12.720 --> 00:32:14.579
Oh God, here's this scene.

546
00:32:14.640 --> 00:32:18.180
I just love it I want to, we're rebuilding.

547
00:32:18.240 --> 00:32:22.019
We need a community leader, and it's gonna be you, Quok.

548
00:32:22.079 --> 00:32:23.579
He's so excited.

549
00:32:23.640 --> 00:32:24.299
It's really fun.

550
00:32:24.599 --> 00:32:32.160
The other thing that I thought was really good was talking about the great Ferengi tradition of plea bargaining, which I think is really great.

551
00:32:32.220 --> 00:32:36.059
He doesn't say the 21st century American tradition of plea bargaining.

552
00:32:36.119 --> 00:32:57.660
He locates that as a Ferengi thing, and that's a great tradition of of 20th century American culture and customs being located in the Ferengi, the Ferengi, when they're introduced like hyper capitalists from earlier than the 20th and 21st century, but gradually they become known as sort of capitalists and staff.

553
00:32:57.720 --> 00:33:04.559
And the way this show transcends that, embraces and then transcends it, I think, is pretty amazing.

554
00:33:04.619 --> 00:33:10.619
You know what makes this scene so satisfying is he does what he's talking about here.

555
00:33:10.680 --> 00:33:12.480
He does rebuild the station.

556
00:33:12.539 --> 00:33:15.900
He does make it an effective place in the galaxy.

557
00:33:15.960 --> 00:33:18.660
You know, like by the end of the station, it's a really important place.

558
00:33:18.900 --> 00:33:21.299
And he made good choices here.

559
00:33:21.359 --> 00:33:22.799
It should have been Quork, right?

560
00:33:22.859 --> 00:33:29.220
As the community leader, despite the fact that he tries to swindle them every other week to comic effect.

561
00:33:29.339 --> 00:33:34.980
There's a few times where he crosses the line, actually, where I'm thinking, oh, would they have let him stay in that bar?

562
00:33:34.980 --> 00:33:36.960
No, he had a contract.

563
00:33:37.019 --> 00:33:42.660
Oh, this provisional government is far too provisional for my take. isn't it?

564
00:33:42.720 --> 00:33:43.859
It's a really good one.

565
00:33:43.920 --> 00:33:44.220
Yeah.

566
00:33:44.220 --> 00:33:46.859
And I don't think he's overplaying any of this.

567
00:33:46.920 --> 00:33:48.059
No.

568
00:33:49.680 --> 00:34:00.420
He does like the laugh and stuff when when Cisco goes, you Quark, and then he does the big toothy laugh, and I kind of think, yeah, last hour post, calm down.

569
00:34:00.480 --> 00:34:04.740
Poor boy, Nathan, who's got to spend the best years of his life in a Bajoran.

570
00:34:04.799 --> 00:34:07.259
I'm a father of myself is so...

571
00:34:07.319 --> 00:34:09.480
I know what he must be going through.

572
00:34:09.539 --> 00:34:13.320
But again, this is the opposite, you know, like, it's not Wesley.

573
00:34:13.380 --> 00:34:14.460
We're from Starfleet.

574
00:34:14.519 --> 00:34:15.119
We don't lie.

575
00:34:15.179 --> 00:34:16.559
Do you know what I mean?

576
00:34:16.619 --> 00:34:27.480
Like, he is slotting into the, he's slotting into the environment and, and manipulating it and, and, you know, operating in some degree on, and it's rules.

577
00:34:27.480 --> 00:34:29.340
I didn't think I was going to like it.

578
00:34:29.639 --> 00:34:33.480
That is such a fabulous line, isn't it?

579
00:34:33.539 --> 00:34:35.219
And it does it so sincerely.

580
00:34:35.280 --> 00:34:37.260
That almonds reaction?

581
00:34:37.320 --> 00:34:38.159
It's perfect as well.

582
00:34:38.219 --> 00:34:40.320
Like, almond's probably taken taken aback.

583
00:34:40.380 --> 00:34:41.639
Like it does sell it.

584
00:34:41.699 --> 00:34:46.619
Okay, I do prefer Kira now in sort of slightly less formal gear.

585
00:34:46.679 --> 00:34:50.519
Yeah, but this is where she takes a top off like she does in progress, remember?

586
00:34:50.579 --> 00:34:51.840
Yeah.

587
00:34:51.900 --> 00:34:55.559
Yeah. they sort of sorted her hair out a little bit there as well.

588
00:34:55.619 --> 00:34:57.059
It's not quiet, though.

589
00:34:57.119 --> 00:34:58.500
It's very bad.

590
00:34:58.619 --> 00:35:01.500
My favourite, your least favourite is my favourite.

591
00:35:01.559 --> 00:35:02.579
It's series 7.

592
00:35:02.639 --> 00:35:03.420
I love that hair.

593
00:35:03.480 --> 00:35:12.719
Yeah, I mean, I like hair as everything but this hair, basically, I think, is like the sort of aggressive lesbian hair that shouts for the rest of the show.

594
00:35:12.780 --> 00:35:16.019
That's what I always wanted. 80s lesbian.

595
00:35:16.079 --> 00:35:16.800
Fabulous book.

596
00:35:16.860 --> 00:35:17.940
She means business.

597
00:35:18.300 --> 00:35:19.739
Yeah.

598
00:35:19.800 --> 00:35:20.880
Well, they want a show, you see.

599
00:35:20.940 --> 00:35:22.679
They're getting her tits out because they want a show.

600
00:35:22.800 --> 00:35:24.659
She's not all, you know, she's still a woman.

601
00:35:24.719 --> 00:35:25.320
Yeah.

602
00:35:25.380 --> 00:35:29.400
But they don't fall, you know, like, and she does get to fall in love and all that sort of thing.

603
00:35:29.460 --> 00:35:32.519
They do all that sort of stuff, but that's not the super important thing.

604
00:35:32.579 --> 00:35:35.099
It's not like the other two.

605
00:35:35.159 --> 00:35:39.780
You know, that like Star Trek the Next Generation had such a bad history with its female lead.

606
00:35:39.840 --> 00:35:46.980
So you lose Denise, you know, we lose gates, we're kind of thinking of getting rid of Marina.

607
00:35:47.039 --> 00:35:48.480
Like no one's very happy with them.

608
00:35:48.539 --> 00:35:50.760
All these women about the clothes.

609
00:35:51.179 --> 00:35:58.619
And you only have 2 of them here, but they're both really great and they both become, you know, just absolute top tier characters.

610
00:35:58.679 --> 00:36:04.920
One of them or the other is usually central in every episode. you know, like they have big roles.

611
00:36:04.980 --> 00:36:06.300
It's a great.

612
00:36:06.420 --> 00:36:10.679
We just did the homecoming, and she just said, this government will be gone in a week, so will you.

613
00:36:10.739 --> 00:36:11.639
What happens then?

614
00:36:11.760 --> 00:36:15.659
civil war and that's exactly what happens at the end at the start of season two.

615
00:36:15.719 --> 00:36:24.239
Yeah, I was thinking that too, because a lot of this stuff is setting up stuff that the show doesn't really run with, right?

616
00:36:24.300 --> 00:36:30.659
And so they do do the provisional government thing. at the beginning of the next season.

617
00:36:30.719 --> 00:36:34.440
And we do eventually have the joining the Federation.

618
00:36:35.340 --> 00:36:39.360
But the religion stuff gets put on the backbone, doesn't it?

619
00:36:39.420 --> 00:36:40.440
Look, Nathan.

620
00:36:40.500 --> 00:36:40.800
I know.

621
00:36:40.800 --> 00:36:42.119
What's happened to Fajor?

622
00:36:42.179 --> 00:36:42.719
Oh good.

623
00:36:42.780 --> 00:36:44.639
There's rubble all about the place.

624
00:36:44.699 --> 00:36:46.440
Normally it looks so tranquil.

625
00:36:46.500 --> 00:36:48.059
Clean that up for future.

626
00:36:48.119 --> 00:36:50.039
They sort of added up.

627
00:36:50.099 --> 00:36:51.719
Oh, they're doing the zoom in, aren't they?

628
00:36:51.780 --> 00:36:54.420
Just suggest it's, oh, and there's a bird flying past.

629
00:36:54.480 --> 00:37:00.179
Oh, yeah, no, no, but also, you know, the 2 towers, as the camera moved along in the 2 towers moved in relation to each other.

630
00:37:00.239 --> 00:37:01.559
Like, that's three-dimensional.

631
00:37:01.619 --> 00:37:06.300
It's not the usual match shot, where, you know, it's even better than the one with Andra.

632
00:37:06.360 --> 00:37:07.079
Do you know what I mean?

633
00:37:07.139 --> 00:37:09.599
With the people running down the...

634
00:37:09.659 --> 00:37:12.239
It's even better than the one with Andre.

635
00:37:12.300 --> 00:37:12.780
It is great.

636
00:37:12.840 --> 00:37:14.639
Oh, where she is.

637
00:37:14.699 --> 00:37:16.500
Weeble, wobble, but that don't fall down.

638
00:37:16.559 --> 00:37:18.059
I love Kia Parker.

639
00:37:18.119 --> 00:37:19.380
She's great, isn't she?

640
00:37:20.940 --> 00:37:23.159
Oh, charming, isn't it?

641
00:37:23.219 --> 00:37:24.300
It's such a charming performance.

642
00:37:24.360 --> 00:37:29.820
She's such a beautiful Italian woman as well. you know, like...

643
00:37:29.880 --> 00:37:31.980
Does she just want out straight away?

644
00:37:32.039 --> 00:37:32.940
don't actually know why.

645
00:37:33.000 --> 00:37:34.199
Yeah I don't know.

646
00:37:34.260 --> 00:37:36.059
Which just comes back for a session.

647
00:37:36.119 --> 00:37:37.739
Do you remember when he has the dream in a session?

648
00:37:37.800 --> 00:37:40.199
We saw with the Dejaras.

649
00:37:40.260 --> 00:37:41.880
She comes back from that episode.

650
00:37:41.940 --> 00:37:42.659
She is in that.

651
00:37:42.719 --> 00:37:43.199
That's it.

652
00:37:43.260 --> 00:37:44.280
After battle line.

653
00:37:44.340 --> 00:37:48.539
She does this, then battle lines, then accession. just that sort of cameo, yeah.

654
00:37:48.599 --> 00:38:13.260
But, but, like all of this stuff kind of gets dropped in a way, you have Kai Wynn, who is obviously a superb character and, you know, like an incredible performance and absolutely brilliant, and explores religion allows them to explore sides of religion that are particularly important in American context, i.e. horrible, horrible religious leaders, with wicked political agendas.

655
00:38:13.320 --> 00:38:16.800
They had amazing foresight into the future, wasn't it?

656
00:38:16.860 --> 00:38:19.440
Yeah, yeah, no, they had them already.

657
00:38:20.280 --> 00:38:24.719
Oh my god, look at that monk just picking up rocks from the side.

658
00:38:24.780 --> 00:38:26.340
We're rebuilding too, you know.

659
00:38:26.880 --> 00:38:32.159
But, um, say again, he does that little sort of, hmm, I wonder what I'll do.

660
00:38:32.219 --> 00:38:36.539
He does a little sort of eyebrows that sort of arched eyebrows.

661
00:38:36.599 --> 00:38:37.980
Okay, I'm going along with this.

662
00:38:38.039 --> 00:38:40.320
Because I love how he's uncomfortable.

663
00:38:40.380 --> 00:38:45.780
He's initially uncomfortable with Camille touching his ear with Kaya Parker touching his ear.

664
00:38:45.840 --> 00:38:55.260
And then he realises it would be impolite to, you know, make her take her hand away, but he's still awkward and uncomfortable about it.

665
00:38:55.320 --> 00:38:56.639
I don't know.

666
00:38:56.699 --> 00:38:57.840
So this, Nathan.

667
00:38:57.900 --> 00:39:00.719
Every time they feel a set with candles.

668
00:39:00.780 --> 00:39:03.480
I'm like, why don't you light like this all the time?

669
00:39:03.719 --> 00:39:06.840
Because this is just stock case set 72?

670
00:39:06.900 --> 00:39:08.340
Start number one, yeah.

671
00:39:08.400 --> 00:39:22.800
So, so I think that also the scene here where she divines what's wrong with him, in some degree, she says, I can't give you what you can't give yourself.

672
00:39:22.860 --> 00:39:25.500
Solutions come from within.

673
00:39:25.559 --> 00:39:33.300
And then there's the scene later where the prophet as her says exactly the same thing.

674
00:39:33.360 --> 00:39:36.480
Look for solutions from within commander.

675
00:39:36.539 --> 00:39:38.340
And that's what she does.

676
00:39:38.400 --> 00:39:39.480
Do you know what I mean?

677
00:39:39.599 --> 00:39:40.619
That is what he does.

678
00:39:40.679 --> 00:39:44.760
But it just goes to show how in tune with the prophets she is.

679
00:39:44.880 --> 00:39:48.900
You know, her profit character says the same thing that she does.

680
00:39:48.960 --> 00:39:50.099
It's so well done.

681
00:39:50.159 --> 00:40:01.079
I think if Pucker, it stuck around, you know, we would have joined Bajor would have joined the Federation by the end of Series 7, but Kai Wynn always had a mucky fingers in all the politics, didn't she?

682
00:40:01.139 --> 00:40:01.679
So good.

683
00:40:01.920 --> 00:40:04.019
Look, we're outside on the beach.

684
00:40:04.079 --> 00:40:04.920
I know.

685
00:40:04.980 --> 00:40:06.840
And it's a meat cute as well.

686
00:40:06.900 --> 00:40:09.599
How beautiful does Avery looks like?

687
00:40:09.659 --> 00:40:11.400
I saw his arms a minute ago.

688
00:40:11.460 --> 00:40:13.380
Oh, actually, and Jennifer.

689
00:40:13.500 --> 00:40:15.840
That smile of his too.

690
00:40:15.900 --> 00:40:17.099
He does it with Jake.

691
00:40:17.159 --> 00:40:22.980
There's the most broad smile at the end when he sees Jake after he gets back to the station.

692
00:40:23.099 --> 00:40:24.300
But the smiling here.

693
00:40:24.420 --> 00:40:28.139
Um, you know, like on 2 levels as well, doesn't it?

694
00:40:28.199 --> 00:40:35.039
The fact that this is introducing the profits, but also it's exploring his backstory, right?

695
00:40:35.099 --> 00:40:37.380
And adding weight to death at the start.

696
00:40:37.440 --> 00:40:38.820
So clever.

697
00:40:38.880 --> 00:40:43.019
We get to see through these orb visions we get to see how their relationship goes.

698
00:40:43.079 --> 00:40:46.440
So we see the day of the proposal.

699
00:40:46.500 --> 00:40:48.179
We see they're meeting for the 1st time.

700
00:40:48.239 --> 00:40:49.980
We see the day that he proposes.

701
00:40:50.039 --> 00:40:54.300
We see Jake being born very briefly, I think.

702
00:40:55.079 --> 00:40:59.460
And because we'd only seen Jennifer dead.

703
00:40:59.519 --> 00:41:01.559
Like we had only seen her dead.

704
00:41:01.619 --> 00:41:05.460
Yeah, we didn't, you know, there was no scene of him leaving in the morning or anything like that.

705
00:41:05.519 --> 00:41:07.980
Now we see just why he fell for it.

706
00:41:08.039 --> 00:41:09.000
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

707
00:41:09.360 --> 00:41:14.099
Oh, I love seeing this amount of flesh on display. very unusual for Star Trek.

708
00:41:14.159 --> 00:41:15.900
She's a great location.

709
00:41:15.960 --> 00:41:16.739
Isn't it?

710
00:41:16.800 --> 00:41:19.679
We don't see beaches enough in Star Trek, do we?

711
00:41:19.739 --> 00:41:20.159
No.

712
00:41:20.159 --> 00:41:20.820
No.

713
00:41:20.880 --> 00:41:23.760
Given we're in fucking America, for God's sake.

714
00:41:23.820 --> 00:41:27.599
Is this the beach where Janet's button is located in the good place?

715
00:41:27.659 --> 00:41:29.880
I kind of like to think it is. very possible.

716
00:41:29.940 --> 00:41:30.960
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

717
00:41:31.019 --> 00:41:34.500
I think Voyager goes to the beach twice, doesn't it?

718
00:41:34.559 --> 00:41:43.920
In Futures End, and then there's a season 7 episode with Berkeley, where him and Marina are hanging out on the beach, loads of cream on their nose.

719
00:41:46.800 --> 00:41:49.079
A junior officer.

720
00:41:49.139 --> 00:41:50.039
Man.

721
00:41:50.099 --> 00:41:57.420
And then he kind of realises, yeah, I was a junior opposite because what they had 15 years together, he does say in dialogue, like Jake's 13 or something.

722
00:41:57.480 --> 00:41:59.880
So they have 15 years of marriage.

723
00:41:59.940 --> 00:42:02.159
I don't know how old he is at this point.

724
00:42:02.219 --> 00:42:04.860
I think he's sort of late 30s, mid to late 30s, is that right?

725
00:42:04.980 --> 00:42:07.559
So, are you worrying about the dialogue right now?

726
00:42:07.619 --> 00:42:10.139
Did you see how much Avery Brooks was packing in those trunks?

727
00:42:10.260 --> 00:42:10.800
I did.

728
00:42:10.860 --> 00:42:12.840
I was wondering if you were going to mention it.

729
00:42:15.780 --> 00:42:18.719
It's got nothing to be ashamed of.

730
00:42:18.840 --> 00:42:21.119
And he's got smile.

731
00:42:21.659 --> 00:42:22.619
Oh, my God.

732
00:42:22.800 --> 00:42:26.880
Yeah, see, my father was a gourmet chef, so he is dead.

733
00:42:27.059 --> 00:42:29.280
No machine stew.

734
00:42:29.340 --> 00:42:31.380
It must be fantastic, you know, well, seems to love it.

735
00:42:31.920 --> 00:42:36.179
Look how charmed she is by him, even though he's being a weirdo.

736
00:42:36.239 --> 00:42:39.119
He's being a flash weirdo. to say yes.

737
00:42:39.599 --> 00:42:42.239
Oh, probably be sorry.

738
00:42:42.300 --> 00:42:43.559
And then that.

739
00:42:43.619 --> 00:42:46.199
Oh, that's a terribly sad line, isn't it?

740
00:42:46.260 --> 00:42:47.159
I'll probably be sorry.

741
00:42:47.219 --> 00:42:48.900
Don't you think?

742
00:42:48.960 --> 00:42:51.000
Oh, and then he gets her snatched away.

743
00:42:51.119 --> 00:42:55.139
They meet you and then she's snatched away by the prophet.

744
00:42:55.199 --> 00:42:57.659
I love the metaphor as well, Tear of the Prophet.

745
00:42:57.719 --> 00:42:59.820
I mean, that's a great, great line.

746
00:43:00.480 --> 00:43:04.139
Oh, now this is Exposition City now, is it?

747
00:43:04.199 --> 00:43:05.039
Nine orbs?

748
00:43:05.099 --> 00:43:05.639
like this one.

749
00:43:05.880 --> 00:43:13.980
But it is also, there's something slightly weird about setting up this mystical thing. which is not really where we go.

750
00:43:14.039 --> 00:43:33.900
Um, you know, it's, it's, it's, Strangely Worlds did it a little bit in its most recent season where, you know, there were mythical things from the dawn of time and and things to chase and a sort of sort of Indiana Jones sort of style, you know, caper of some sort.

751
00:43:34.019 --> 00:43:34.739
Do you know what I mean?

752
00:43:34.800 --> 00:43:37.679
Like an adventure where you have to find an ancient object or whatever.

753
00:43:37.739 --> 00:43:39.840
And so that looks like where we're going here.

754
00:43:39.900 --> 00:43:42.900
And it isn't where we go, is it?

755
00:43:42.960 --> 00:43:46.019
The orbs disappear from the show a bit.

756
00:43:46.079 --> 00:43:51.360
Yeah, well, that sort of turn up every time we want a time travel and things like that.

757
00:43:51.420 --> 00:43:54.840
You know, they're very useful plot devices every now and again.

758
00:43:54.900 --> 00:43:59.280
But what I love, though, is we get our space mystery now, don't we?

759
00:43:59.340 --> 00:44:08.219
We're looking for the celestial temple and obviously we do it TNG style with a ton of techno babble in a minute when Dax comes in to sort of find the area that it's at.

760
00:44:08.280 --> 00:44:18.539
And even then you think, okay, that's going to be the big sort of idea for this episode, but no, we moved the station too, and it becomes a mainstay of the show.

761
00:44:18.599 --> 00:44:21.239
So, and it is a bit of a cheat.

762
00:44:21.300 --> 00:44:21.840
Do you know what I mean?

763
00:44:21.900 --> 00:44:27.539
It's kind of like, well, we can't go anywhere, but we'll have a thing that brings everything to us so we don't have to go anywhere.

764
00:44:27.599 --> 00:44:30.059
And it is a story generating idea.

765
00:44:30.119 --> 00:44:40.380
But what they do, of course, is they turn it into a thing that actually affects the overall plot and introduces the gamma quadrant and exposes us to the dominion.

766
00:44:40.440 --> 00:44:44.219
When Avery was talking about taking on the par.

767
00:44:44.280 --> 00:44:48.960
One of the things he says in those early interviews is it's so exciting.

768
00:44:49.019 --> 00:44:57.420
The storytelling possibilities, you know, we're there by this gateway to space where all of the crazy dramatic things can come to us.

769
00:44:57.480 --> 00:44:59.880
And I'm like, actually yeah, that is a great idea.

770
00:44:59.940 --> 00:45:00.780
Yeah.

771
00:45:00.840 --> 00:45:03.780
Yeah, I mean, it is just the kind of reverse of Star Trek.

772
00:45:03.900 --> 00:45:05.639
So it's to ensure that lots of things can happen.

773
00:45:05.639 --> 00:45:08.579
And certainly that's how the show plays out for the 1st few years.

774
00:45:08.639 --> 00:45:13.920
But you have your cake and eat it because you get the serialisation under consequences as well.

775
00:45:14.039 --> 00:45:18.360
But, but also it becomes the thing that makes the Dominion, I think.

776
00:45:18.420 --> 00:45:19.679
Do you know what I mean?

777
00:45:19.739 --> 00:45:21.420
And then that's what that's about.

778
00:45:21.480 --> 00:45:24.420
It's no longer what crazy alien is going to come through.

779
00:45:24.480 --> 00:45:25.860
Do you know what I mean?

780
00:45:25.920 --> 00:45:28.920
Like and bring a board game with it this week.

781
00:45:28.980 --> 00:45:32.579
It's it's...

782
00:45:32.579 --> 00:45:35.760
You want to talk about strong female women?

783
00:45:35.820 --> 00:45:37.199
The female shapeshifter.

784
00:45:37.260 --> 00:45:38.940
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

785
00:45:39.000 --> 00:45:41.219
I want the Cardassians exterminated.

786
00:45:41.280 --> 00:45:42.659
She says in the last episode.

787
00:45:42.719 --> 00:45:45.239
Gosh, this one's got our breasts out here.

788
00:45:45.300 --> 00:45:47.699
It's an awful lot happening in quarks here, isn't it?

789
00:45:47.760 --> 00:45:48.599
There's lots going on.

790
00:45:48.659 --> 00:45:53.699
It's not the lighting they land on because it's very sort of misty and dark.

791
00:45:53.820 --> 00:45:55.980
Because there's smoke and all of that sort of thing.

792
00:45:56.039 --> 00:46:04.139
I mean, generally the station, you know, goes towards less gritty, more Star Trek lighting, a little bit clearer, more key light.

793
00:46:04.199 --> 00:46:04.860
Do you know what I mean?

794
00:46:04.920 --> 00:46:08.039
Like just all a little bit slightly less interesting, I think.

795
00:46:08.099 --> 00:46:15.239
But it's, you know, I love the drawing, such a wonderfully spiritual people, but they make a dreadful ale.

796
00:46:15.300 --> 00:46:20.039
Never trust an ale from a god-fearing beach. so good.

797
00:46:20.099 --> 00:46:21.719
Such a great.

798
00:46:21.719 --> 00:46:22.559
This is Michael Pillar.

799
00:46:22.619 --> 00:46:24.119
Michael Pillar wrote this one.

800
00:46:24.179 --> 00:46:26.159
What a gift he was to Star Trek.

801
00:46:26.639 --> 00:46:28.139
So good.

802
00:46:28.199 --> 00:46:29.639
It's so good.

803
00:46:29.760 --> 00:46:34.559
They really are with the promenade and with Quarks and with Odo Security Office.

804
00:46:34.619 --> 00:46:37.380
That's where they're really going for the Space Western, isn't it?

805
00:46:37.500 --> 00:46:38.639
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

806
00:46:38.699 --> 00:46:42.059
So here we have 2 new characters arriving.

807
00:46:42.119 --> 00:46:44.940
Neither of them fully formed at this point.

808
00:46:45.000 --> 00:46:45.960
No, no.

809
00:46:46.019 --> 00:46:49.320
Although, Bashir is so naive in this, isn't it?

810
00:46:49.739 --> 00:46:50.400
It really cute.

811
00:46:50.460 --> 00:46:54.059
He does that English embarrassed guy comedy.

812
00:46:54.179 --> 00:46:55.920
It's very Hugh Grant.

813
00:46:55.980 --> 00:46:56.880
Yeah, yeah.

814
00:46:56.940 --> 00:46:58.500
I think that's what I think that's what that is.

815
00:46:58.559 --> 00:47:03.599
So he does the or maybe a drink. which I think is very cute.

816
00:47:03.719 --> 00:47:05.039
That's really cute.

817
00:47:05.099 --> 00:47:07.380
No, it is seen Rukira is the best.

818
00:47:08.460 --> 00:47:11.880
You'll find them are pleasant, simple people.

819
00:47:12.780 --> 00:47:19.980
My favourite thing is where she says, come on, come and talk to time to be here, and he just goes, yes, sir.

820
00:47:20.159 --> 00:47:23.039
That could be you, Gron, couldn't it?

821
00:47:23.099 --> 00:47:26.400
It's kind of sexy and kind of adorable.

822
00:47:26.460 --> 00:47:27.659
Like he's really into it.

823
00:47:27.719 --> 00:47:28.619
You know as well.

824
00:47:28.679 --> 00:47:29.400
Do you know, right?

825
00:47:29.460 --> 00:47:35.519
I'm going to tell you, 2 actors that auditioned for Cisco and were in the running. you ready for this?

826
00:47:35.579 --> 00:47:37.320
Anthony Hidd.

827
00:47:37.380 --> 00:47:40.320
I think I knew that. and Peter Capaldi.

828
00:47:40.380 --> 00:47:43.739
I'll imagine that. unbelievable.

829
00:47:43.800 --> 00:47:45.239
Imagine being Kapaldi.

830
00:47:45.420 --> 00:47:48.599
They went for the right jobs, but they're both great actors.

831
00:47:48.659 --> 00:47:49.559
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

832
00:47:49.619 --> 00:47:50.940
Yeah, I know, it's superb.

833
00:47:51.000 --> 00:47:52.679
I'm a massive fan of Capoldia.

834
00:47:52.739 --> 00:47:53.579
I just think he's incredible.

835
00:47:53.639 --> 00:47:57.599
This scene you would never have on TNG in a 1000000 years.

836
00:47:57.659 --> 00:48:00.599
That's because the aliens aren't allowed to be alien in TNG.

837
00:48:00.659 --> 00:48:04.139
They were all behaving a sort of cute American style way.

838
00:48:04.199 --> 00:48:04.500
Yeah.

839
00:48:04.800 --> 00:48:09.599
Major, I had my choice of any job in the fleet, you prick.

840
00:48:10.679 --> 00:48:14.940
Real frontier, isn't it?

841
00:48:15.000 --> 00:48:15.659
It's so great.

842
00:48:15.719 --> 00:48:18.960
I mean, I don't know why she didn't take her gun out and shoot his foot.

843
00:48:21.119 --> 00:48:24.300
But this is typical Star Trek.

844
00:48:24.360 --> 00:48:26.940
This is Star Trek sort of federation stuff.

845
00:48:27.000 --> 00:48:27.599
Do you know what I mean?

846
00:48:27.659 --> 00:48:37.380
Like this is not an unusual way of expressing yourself and then you have one of our regulars as an alien who's going to be patronised by these federation.

847
00:48:37.440 --> 00:48:38.880
TNG series one, isn't it?

848
00:48:38.940 --> 00:48:39.420
Yeah, exactly.

849
00:48:39.480 --> 00:48:42.659
And she just goes, this wilderness is my home.

850
00:48:42.719 --> 00:48:43.559
Yeah, yeah.

851
00:48:43.619 --> 00:48:45.420
And he goes, uh, uh, uh, uh.

852
00:48:45.420 --> 00:48:49.500
Actually, maybe they should have done a bit more with that.

853
00:48:49.559 --> 00:48:50.880
It would have been fun.

854
00:48:50.940 --> 00:48:53.280
Instead, they just turn him into a sex pest for a season.

855
00:48:53.340 --> 00:48:55.139
Yeah, yeah, that's no good.

856
00:48:55.199 --> 00:48:56.340
I think that is no good.

857
00:48:56.400 --> 00:48:59.460
Now this is the one scene where I chipped out a little bit.

858
00:48:59.519 --> 00:49:01.980
There's a lot of techno babble in this scene.

859
00:49:02.039 --> 00:49:07.199
So, yeah, so it is a little bit too much, isn't it?

860
00:49:07.260 --> 00:49:12.420
Because we just heard him hearing that and now he's explaining it to her.

861
00:49:12.480 --> 00:49:17.400
We could have just come in at the end of that conversation, we would have known what he was going to say.

862
00:49:17.460 --> 00:49:19.199
I like this, though.

863
00:49:19.260 --> 00:49:23.219
I was happy when I learned you'd accepted this assignment.

864
00:49:23.280 --> 00:49:31.679
I've been worried about you, which again, you know, like, like it really sells because that's the one thing we know about him already is he's not okay.

865
00:49:31.739 --> 00:49:35.639
Um, and having her concerned for him I think is really great.

866
00:49:35.699 --> 00:49:37.380
I love this idea.

867
00:49:37.440 --> 00:49:57.719
It's reaping rewards now, but it certainly will go on to reap rewards of the idea of taking the trio, which was established in TNG, and then having a previous host have a relationship with our lead character, and he now has to get to know a new version of that character that he falls in love with as much.

868
00:49:57.780 --> 00:50:00.239
That's a really smart character choice I think.

869
00:50:00.300 --> 00:50:05.280
I think too, it just makes her a little bit more, it does make her a little bit more interesting.

870
00:50:05.340 --> 00:50:09.960
It's the way that, you know, Picard and Crusher have a backstory as well.

871
00:50:10.019 --> 00:50:12.960
Oh, and I guess Deanna and Dump and Riker.

872
00:50:13.019 --> 00:50:14.760
I mean, this is more interesting.

873
00:50:14.820 --> 00:50:22.739
All the information we learn about Curzon is that he was a drunk and a sex pest himself, you know, and a fine diplomat.

874
00:50:22.800 --> 00:50:24.719
I'm not getting that from this man, are you?

875
00:50:25.079 --> 00:50:27.179
Well, he's dead now.

876
00:50:27.239 --> 00:50:30.000
Do you remember when Renee plays him in facets?

877
00:50:30.059 --> 00:50:31.199
fabulous.

878
00:50:32.699 --> 00:50:35.039
Give me a drink, you know?

879
00:50:35.219 --> 00:50:50.039
But I I think it's I think giving him a young woman as a friend as well, like giving and giving him a confidant, like giving him a mentor, but, you know, making her a beautiful young woman, I think, you know, that's a brilliant choice.

880
00:50:50.159 --> 00:50:51.780
But look where they get.

881
00:50:51.840 --> 00:50:58.440
We just did trials and tribulations recently where she was orgasming all over the past and he was going, Dax, come on, let's go.

882
00:50:58.559 --> 00:51:03.059
Well, I mean, it's great how because she's so beautiful.

883
00:51:03.119 --> 00:51:05.039
Like she's stunningly beautiful.

884
00:51:05.099 --> 00:51:16.800
And so making her just sexy and confident and, you know, she's someone who's been a man and and so she's, you know, a little bit more kind of sexually predatory and stuff. all wonderful.

885
00:51:16.860 --> 00:51:17.940
I think she's terrific.

886
00:51:18.000 --> 00:51:18.960
She's really.

887
00:51:19.019 --> 00:51:22.860
Do you know the story of her breakdown during the making of the pilot?

888
00:51:22.920 --> 00:51:25.800
Yeah, so look, I mean, I say breakdown. quite strong.

889
00:51:25.860 --> 00:51:31.500
But she broke down into tears because she just couldn't get her head around all the Tetla babble.

890
00:51:31.559 --> 00:51:35.099
She said it was like learning another language and she just couldn't do it.

891
00:51:35.159 --> 00:51:45.179
And she had so many scenes with Avery Brooks, who was given this sort of performance with great gravity and she just felt like at sea compared to him.

892
00:51:45.239 --> 00:51:51.179
She breaks down into tears and pulls him to one side and she goes, you need to help me.

893
00:51:51.239 --> 00:51:54.300
Like I'm really, I'm lost here.

894
00:51:54.360 --> 00:52:04.920
And apparently he goes from being quite cold, which he can be on set and a massive smile broke on his face and he said to her, what do you need from me?

895
00:52:04.980 --> 00:52:08.099
And from that point on, they were the best of friends.

896
00:52:08.159 --> 00:52:14.579
I mean, he shut off the set during rejoined when he directed that when she had the kiss with Lenara Khan.

897
00:52:14.639 --> 00:52:15.840
Like, they were tight.

898
00:52:15.900 --> 00:52:23.400
But I like the fact that she was happy to be vulnerable and then, oh, hang on, I'm talking all over Picard and O'Brien saying goodbye.

899
00:52:23.460 --> 00:52:25.860
I mean, I think this seems okay.

900
00:52:25.920 --> 00:52:27.719
We need to do it, don't we?

901
00:52:27.780 --> 00:52:31.079
And it is slightly odd because he, you know, we have this.

902
00:52:31.619 --> 00:52:40.380
It's not quite the midway point, but we have this point where the 2 new characters are arriving and and, you know, O'Brien's here already.

903
00:52:40.440 --> 00:52:44.820
And so saying this goodbye now is slightly odd, particularly. dialogue.

904
00:52:44.880 --> 00:52:45.719
He goes, what is it?

905
00:52:45.780 --> 00:52:47.820
Oh, it's my favourite transport.

906
00:52:47.880 --> 00:52:49.019
Number four.

907
00:52:49.440 --> 00:52:52.320
No, because it is always transformed.

908
00:52:53.400 --> 00:52:59.579
You're going to think, why do we have more than one transporter room given that we always say transporter room three?

909
00:52:59.639 --> 00:53:01.380
Is this the episode?

910
00:53:01.500 --> 00:53:08.099
Is it a DS not an episode where he goes, do you know how bored I was waiting for something to break down in a transporter room?

911
00:53:08.159 --> 00:53:10.079
Here, I've got 15 jobs to do at once.

912
00:53:12.360 --> 00:53:15.960
I mean, you cut to him and he's just standing there.

913
00:53:16.019 --> 00:53:17.219
That's the job, right?

914
00:53:17.280 --> 00:53:19.019
You just stand there waiting to push the button.

915
00:53:19.079 --> 00:53:22.260
Oh, so he's the enterprise going off.

916
00:53:22.320 --> 00:53:27.300
It's not the midway point yet, but the Enterprise going off looks amazing against that.

917
00:53:27.360 --> 00:53:30.420
And it is a very sort of jolly bit of music as it goes.

918
00:53:30.420 --> 00:53:34.679
And then it goes, look how everyone's lit and she goes to Kardassians.

919
00:53:34.739 --> 00:53:36.480
Look, they're all lit from below.

920
00:53:36.539 --> 00:53:37.860
Yeah, yeah, that'd be great.

921
00:53:37.920 --> 00:53:38.639
That, isn't it?

922
00:53:38.699 --> 00:53:46.199
And just everyone's on a different level, but not in a crap way, like on the Enterprise D. The camera's moving.

923
00:53:46.260 --> 00:53:47.280
It can move in on them.

924
00:53:47.340 --> 00:53:51.480
But I can imagine just that transition there.

925
00:53:51.539 --> 00:53:57.179
There's a lot of people that love TNG, the tone of it that were like, what is this?

926
00:53:57.239 --> 00:54:02.519
Like, yeah, it's better television maybe. but it's it's not our lovely TNG family.

927
00:54:02.579 --> 00:54:09.420
I also think that's sudden, cunt to like the ship, and then suddenly, um, do you can't arrive?

928
00:54:09.480 --> 00:54:10.500
Do you know what I mean?

929
00:54:10.559 --> 00:54:13.800
That's not a normal kind of narrative cut.

930
00:54:13.860 --> 00:54:14.460
Do you know what I mean?

931
00:54:14.519 --> 00:54:17.400
You would cut to another scene and then to give him time to arrive.

932
00:54:17.460 --> 00:54:18.780
He just arrives.

933
00:54:18.840 --> 00:54:22.559
God, they got rid of those head things, hey, from the wounded.

934
00:54:22.920 --> 00:54:35.880
One of my favourite things, one of my favourite lines is when Cisco says to him, you're welcome to drop by whenever you like, you know, about the, and he's being funny.

935
00:54:36.000 --> 00:54:41.639
Drop by any time you're feeling homesick and he's making a joke and then very seriously.

936
00:54:41.699 --> 00:54:43.860
Gary goes, you're very gracious, commander.

937
00:54:43.920 --> 00:54:45.239
And it's just like, no, no.

938
00:54:45.300 --> 00:54:46.079
It's actually in a way.

939
00:54:46.139 --> 00:54:50.219
You're very gracious as if to say, I'm going to jump over that desk in a minute and tear your head off.

940
00:54:50.280 --> 00:54:51.719
I really liked it.

941
00:54:51.780 --> 00:54:57.420
I thought it was kind of like it's like Cisco is telling a joke, but he doesn't quite get it because he's very self-serious.

942
00:54:57.480 --> 00:55:00.900
Like he can't imagine anyone gently mocking him, you know.

943
00:55:00.960 --> 00:55:05.400
Oh, I love Ducat spelling out the danger of that situation.

944
00:55:05.460 --> 00:55:07.019
You're far from the Federation fleet.

945
00:55:07.079 --> 00:55:08.639
You've got poor defence systems.

946
00:55:08.639 --> 00:55:12.480
And yes, that's good. that's where the drama is Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

947
00:55:12.539 --> 00:55:13.079
Yeah.

948
00:55:13.139 --> 00:55:15.480
And it's not quite where we land either, is it?

949
00:55:15.539 --> 00:55:19.860
Like, he is around from time to time in the early seasons.

950
00:55:19.980 --> 00:55:28.559
His next appearance, his duet, and then he's not, he's in a couple, about 3 episodes of season 2, and then he starts being a semi-regular in season three.

951
00:55:28.619 --> 00:55:31.679
I think they just realised a lame amount is gold.

952
00:55:31.739 --> 00:55:33.119
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

953
00:55:33.179 --> 00:55:34.739
And civil defence is that one?

954
00:55:34.800 --> 00:55:35.400
He turns up.

955
00:55:35.460 --> 00:55:36.360
Oh, yeah.

956
00:55:36.420 --> 00:55:38.219
Yeah, it's not going to work, you know.

957
00:55:38.280 --> 00:55:40.019
Majakira.

958
00:55:40.079 --> 00:55:42.599
You're not going to impress her with your posturing.

959
00:55:42.659 --> 00:55:44.579
He goes, Garak.

960
00:55:44.639 --> 00:55:47.039
And you, a married man.

961
00:55:50.099 --> 00:55:52.739
Oh, I bloody love these characters.

962
00:55:52.800 --> 00:55:53.880
Just so good.

963
00:55:53.940 --> 00:55:55.980
That mean, look, then.

964
00:55:56.039 --> 00:55:57.780
What's that face that Avery's pulling there?

965
00:55:57.840 --> 00:55:58.559
He'll never do that again.

966
00:55:58.619 --> 00:56:00.360
No thank god.

967
00:56:00.840 --> 00:56:02.639
Get grief.

968
00:56:02.699 --> 00:56:13.920
Oh, what I love, though, about this bit is now you see them for the 1st time working together as a crew to get Odo into the Cardassian ship, but you think Quarks in on it, isn't he?

969
00:56:13.980 --> 00:56:15.119
He's like, I think it is.

970
00:56:15.179 --> 00:56:19.920
It's not made explicit, but I think that's how they play it. straight up them, as if to say, right, that's done.

971
00:56:19.980 --> 00:56:20.460
Do your bit.

972
00:56:20.519 --> 00:56:21.480
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

973
00:56:21.539 --> 00:56:22.440
It's really good, isn't it?

974
00:56:22.500 --> 00:56:25.079
And I like how you don't see them setting it up as well.

975
00:56:25.139 --> 00:56:29.460
You know, Star Trek the next generation would have trusting people to figure things out.

976
00:56:29.460 --> 00:56:30.239
Exactly.

977
00:56:30.300 --> 00:56:31.199
Outrageous.

978
00:56:31.260 --> 00:56:32.699
What sort of Star Trek is this?

979
00:56:34.380 --> 00:56:36.179
Oh, I like that.

980
00:56:36.239 --> 00:56:37.440
Debbie, yes.

981
00:56:37.500 --> 00:56:39.539
He saw the celestial temple of the prophets.

982
00:56:41.340 --> 00:56:45.119
So are they slightly embarrassed about this?

983
00:56:45.179 --> 00:56:46.559
Like, do they not?

984
00:56:46.739 --> 00:56:49.559
So we don't see the profits again until accession, is that right?

985
00:56:49.980 --> 00:56:53.460
Uh, no, no, no, they're in series two.

986
00:56:53.579 --> 00:56:59.460
There's the episode where Dax has the initial argent come along and they go into the...

987
00:56:59.519 --> 00:57:01.980
Oh, no, that's just going into the wormhole, isn't it?

988
00:57:02.039 --> 00:57:04.199
Yeah, I think you, 0 no, profit motive.

989
00:57:04.260 --> 00:57:04.679
We did it.

990
00:57:04.739 --> 00:57:05.579
You remember?

991
00:57:05.639 --> 00:57:06.780
What went in there?

992
00:57:06.840 --> 00:57:07.619
That's right.

993
00:57:07.679 --> 00:57:12.000
And he has his saying where they kind of do this again, but with Quark.

994
00:57:12.059 --> 00:57:18.539
From a session onwards, it's a couple of times a year and then obviously in the last season, they're a big, big players.

995
00:57:18.599 --> 00:57:19.619
Yeah, yeah.

996
00:57:19.679 --> 00:57:24.539
In a way that I think is slightly crappy, I have to say.

997
00:57:24.599 --> 00:57:25.619
What in which one?

998
00:57:25.679 --> 00:57:32.099
Well, I just think that the profits versus the par rates just becomes 2 groups of states.

999
00:57:32.159 --> 00:57:38.340
You know, like it's Jake and Kira shooting out beams of energy stomach at each other.

1000
00:57:38.400 --> 00:57:39.360
This ain't Marvel, all right.

1001
00:57:39.420 --> 00:57:40.199
You ain't got the money.

1002
00:57:40.260 --> 00:57:41.099
Yeah.

1003
00:57:41.159 --> 00:57:44.159
I think that's less interesting than what this is.

1004
00:57:44.280 --> 00:57:49.079
Oh, God, she's got a new way of having terrible hair in this scene.

1005
00:57:49.320 --> 00:57:51.719
The sooner you get that cut off.

1006
00:57:51.780 --> 00:57:56.760
I wonder if Nanar just cut it off and she went, well, sorry, you can't wait for it to grow back to shoot, can you?

1007
00:57:58.860 --> 00:58:08.340
I really like as well, you and me talk all the time about the writers of Deep Space 9 looking back and going, right, let's use that.

1008
00:58:08.400 --> 00:58:12.360
And a lot of the stuff here they do use, right?

1009
00:58:12.420 --> 00:58:15.539
It's a pivotal point in sacrifice of angels.

1010
00:58:15.599 --> 00:58:18.960
The, um, the prophet's coming in and saving the day.

1011
00:58:19.019 --> 00:58:20.519
That's established here.

1012
00:58:20.579 --> 00:58:29.099
The stuff with Cisco and Sarah, they look back to this stuff and they use it to make that make sense later on.

1013
00:58:29.159 --> 00:58:40.139
So I think in terms of an influential pilot where the ideas are taken on and developed, GC is probably the best pilot in that respect.

1014
00:58:40.199 --> 00:59:05.400
I guess I guess we hint at sort of geopolitical things by having us near Cardassian space, so having the Federation and Cardassia there, having Cardassia still interested in the station to some degree, but, you know, the thing that starts to happen, like there's no hint of the Dominion yet, except, I guess, in the moment of Odo's backstory, which leaves that open, doesn't it?

1015
00:59:05.460 --> 00:59:08.639
Oh, dear, oh, it is so funny.

1016
00:59:08.699 --> 00:59:13.079
In the interviews, he goes, well, they can never, ever find out in the early interviews.

1017
00:59:13.139 --> 00:59:16.139
They never find out where Odo comes from because that's the end of my character.

1018
00:59:16.199 --> 00:59:17.820
Oh, if you only knew.

1019
00:59:17.880 --> 00:59:22.079
I mean that becomes the best running plot, I think, of all.

1020
00:59:22.139 --> 00:59:25.559
So that terrible, terrible special effect.

1021
00:59:25.619 --> 00:59:27.360
Maybe you're right.

1022
00:59:27.420 --> 00:59:29.699
The Kirkman sort of chopped meat look.

1023
00:59:29.760 --> 00:59:31.199
Yeah, yeah, raw chicken.

1024
00:59:31.980 --> 00:59:34.679
Oh, I meant to say, sure.

1025
00:59:34.739 --> 00:59:36.300
You know Maggie was in that scene earlier.

1026
00:59:36.420 --> 00:59:41.880
She was the transporter chief, you know, Maggie, the office side that's in about 5 or 6 next generation episodes.

1027
00:59:41.940 --> 00:59:44.639
She plays an admiral in Picard.

1028
00:59:44.699 --> 00:59:47.159
They gave her a row in Kurtzman Trek.

1029
00:59:47.219 --> 00:59:49.559
Yeah, it's tremendous. happiness in it as well.

1030
00:59:50.340 --> 00:59:53.639
Finally, she goes, I'm not stuck at consoles.

1031
00:59:53.699 --> 00:59:57.000
So this is more or less the halfway point, isn't it?

1032
00:59:57.059 --> 01:00:12.599
So in the 2 part version, which is kind of, I think, the only part of the only version available on streaming, this is where the sort of 2nd part happens, which means that we really sideline Avery, in a way, we sideline him, like we separate him from the main action.

1033
01:00:12.659 --> 01:00:18.000
So he gets to have his own plot, which is about, you know, a very important thing, you know?

1034
01:00:18.539 --> 01:00:21.179
I think that's deliberate though, isn't it?

1035
01:00:21.239 --> 01:00:26.639
Our statement here is you can have your bangs and whistles and space problems and aliens.

1036
01:00:26.699 --> 01:00:30.840
This is a character show and we will give as much focus to these characters.

1037
01:00:30.900 --> 01:00:36.659
But I do think that they do a really good job with the space stuff here.

1038
01:00:36.719 --> 01:00:41.280
Oh, yes, it goes in a massive bubble, Nathan, and flies through space.

1039
01:00:41.340 --> 01:00:42.000
So good.

1040
01:00:42.059 --> 01:00:43.440
It looks so great.

1041
01:00:43.500 --> 01:00:45.780
It's one of my favourite special effects.

1042
01:00:45.840 --> 01:00:46.860
Wait list, don't you?

1043
01:00:46.980 --> 01:00:48.480
Yeah, it's really good.

1044
01:00:48.539 --> 01:00:49.679
Yeah.

1045
01:00:49.739 --> 01:00:55.739
And it's a very Star Trek moment where sort of Dax leans over and goes, what if we put it into an inertial bubble or something?

1046
01:00:55.800 --> 01:00:57.900
It just like, yeah, this is still Star Trek.

1047
01:00:57.960 --> 01:00:59.340
We're still on.

1048
01:00:59.460 --> 01:01:02.880
When they start blowing the crap out of the station.

1049
01:01:02.940 --> 01:01:05.940
There are some serious explosions on that promenade.

1050
01:01:06.000 --> 01:01:06.599
I'll tell you what.

1051
01:01:06.659 --> 01:01:11.519
It's not like TNG where you usually just see a few sparks coming out the wall, you know?

1052
01:01:11.579 --> 01:01:13.139
The whole floor erupts at one point.

1053
01:01:13.199 --> 01:01:15.300
What do you think happened to all that latinum?

1054
01:01:16.860 --> 01:01:18.960
Did they put in the bag?

1055
01:01:19.679 --> 01:01:19.920
Yeah.

1056
01:01:20.039 --> 01:01:21.900
Was he just a bag?

1057
01:01:21.960 --> 01:01:23.400
Yeah, he was just a bag.

1058
01:01:23.460 --> 01:01:25.320
I like it when he's a rat.

1059
01:01:25.380 --> 01:01:26.699
He does it a couple of times, actually.

1060
01:01:26.760 --> 01:01:28.320
But how does that work?

1061
01:01:28.380 --> 01:01:29.699
He can sort of change his math.

1062
01:01:29.760 --> 01:01:30.659
Apparently.

1063
01:01:30.719 --> 01:01:31.679
Okay.

1064
01:01:31.739 --> 01:01:33.480
It's an alien. very dense.

1065
01:01:33.539 --> 01:01:34.440
He's very dense rat.

1066
01:01:34.500 --> 01:01:37.800
He's very hard to become. 70 kilogram rat.

1067
01:01:37.860 --> 01:01:39.900
Black star massa dense, yeah.

1068
01:01:40.199 --> 01:01:41.699
Okay.

1069
01:01:41.760 --> 01:01:43.920
Now this feels very TNG now, doesn't it?

1070
01:01:43.980 --> 01:01:47.219
When they're in the runabout, sort of looking about space for...

1071
01:01:47.219 --> 01:01:51.239
But what I like is that we're in a star system.

1072
01:01:51.300 --> 01:01:52.139
Do you know what I mean?

1073
01:01:52.199 --> 01:02:01.739
You know how we talked about in when we did the 1st duty, how exciting it was to have Saturn and me mass and stuff and, you know, we're in a in a star system.

1074
01:02:01.800 --> 01:02:05.760
And I don't think they want to pin down the Bajor system particularly.

1075
01:02:05.820 --> 01:02:09.840
You know, there are the, there are habitable moons in there, we discover and stuff like that.

1076
01:02:09.900 --> 01:02:14.639
There are some other planets, but where they don't have a sort of properly pin it down just to leave things open, I think.

1077
01:02:14.699 --> 01:02:27.960
Um, but the idea that there are ships, sometimes some of us are on ships, some of us are on the station, gives it a scale, gives it a sort of a movie style scale, and I like that.

1078
01:02:28.019 --> 01:02:29.099
What does enterprise?

1079
01:02:29.159 --> 01:02:30.539
Sorry, TNG happy.

1080
01:02:30.599 --> 01:02:32.219
You were either on the ship or you're on a planet, right?

1081
01:02:32.280 --> 01:02:33.179
That's right.

1082
01:02:33.239 --> 01:02:33.960
That's the 2 options.

1083
01:02:34.019 --> 01:02:39.840
Now, I know this has dated a bit, but I just was bewitched by the wormhole at the time.

1084
01:02:39.900 --> 01:02:40.679
Oh, it looks fantastic.

1085
01:02:40.739 --> 01:02:43.860
The sort of the weird sort of puddly water that's going on.

1086
01:02:43.920 --> 01:02:44.460
Yeah, yeah.

1087
01:02:44.519 --> 01:02:45.480
In all sorts of dimensions.

1088
01:02:45.539 --> 01:02:49.619
I think the aperture, as you open, you know, as it opens and closes, looks incredible.

1089
01:02:49.679 --> 01:02:50.639
It's dynamic, isn't it?

1090
01:02:50.699 --> 01:02:52.139
It's really good It's open.

1091
01:02:52.199 --> 01:02:56.039
But it's not just that it's a like computer generated effect.

1092
01:02:56.099 --> 01:02:59.219
It's a beautifully designed one. like it looks terrific.

1093
01:02:59.280 --> 01:03:01.559
It just... going to use this a lot, chaps.

1094
01:03:01.619 --> 01:03:02.760
So we need to make it good.

1095
01:03:02.880 --> 01:03:03.900
Yeah.

1096
01:03:04.199 --> 01:03:09.719
Yeah, because it doesn't appear in the opening credits here because they don't want to spoil it, do they?

1097
01:03:09.780 --> 01:03:13.019
But it does appear, actually, does it appear in part two?

1098
01:03:13.079 --> 01:03:16.320
No, because they think it appears here for the 1st time by which time it is part two.

1099
01:03:16.380 --> 01:03:19.139
One regret, and I would always say this.

1100
01:03:19.199 --> 01:03:21.780
I mean, I'm so pleased they moved the station to the wormhole.

1101
01:03:21.840 --> 01:03:33.900
I just wish the wormhole was closer to Bajor because the 2 episodes where the state, we go back in time to the station around Bajor, we've got sunlight coming through the windows and it just looks great, yeah.

1102
01:03:33.960 --> 01:03:36.900
But it's a budgetary measure, isn't it?

1103
01:03:37.019 --> 01:03:41.940
Yeah Like every scene internally, Caprice?

1104
01:03:42.000 --> 01:03:42.480
Yeah, yeah.

1105
01:03:42.539 --> 01:03:45.360
And and also fill the fill the windows with a planet.

1106
01:03:45.420 --> 01:03:46.139
Do you know what I mean?

1107
01:03:46.199 --> 01:03:47.699
Instead of just...

1108
01:03:47.699 --> 01:03:50.099
Did you see that earlier through the enterprise window?

1109
01:03:50.159 --> 01:03:53.280
The planet was about the size of Picard's head.

1110
01:03:53.340 --> 01:03:54.420
The scale was so bad.

1111
01:03:54.480 --> 01:03:57.119
Oh, you know, it just depends on how close they are.

1112
01:03:57.179 --> 01:04:01.019
They couldn't do, you know, they didn't do a convincing cloud cover or anything like that.

1113
01:04:01.079 --> 01:04:02.519
It didn't look all that gray.

1114
01:04:02.579 --> 01:04:04.380
Um, but...

1115
01:04:04.380 --> 01:04:07.739
Oh my god, we're doing TOS style wobbleabout.

1116
01:04:07.800 --> 01:04:08.820
Are they wobbling the whole set?

1117
01:04:08.880 --> 01:04:10.079
No, they're just wobbling the.

1118
01:04:10.260 --> 01:04:11.940
Sometimes they wobble with sand, remember?

1119
01:04:12.000 --> 01:04:15.539
I think one of those runabouts must be on a gimble or something, right?

1120
01:04:15.599 --> 01:04:16.380
Like, come on, there.

1121
01:04:16.380 --> 01:04:17.579
Certainly.

1122
01:04:17.579 --> 01:04:23.159
The very little shuttle pod things in TNG, I don't want to say it.

1123
01:04:23.219 --> 01:04:24.780
Like the beginning of PowerPlay.

1124
01:04:24.840 --> 01:04:25.860
Remember, where you've got it?

1125
01:04:25.860 --> 01:04:29.639
Oh, you've got it down as breasts, Marina's breasts jiggling up and down.

1126
01:04:29.699 --> 01:04:32.219
Actually, we go to a place right now, don't we?

1127
01:04:32.280 --> 01:04:34.619
It looks just like that power play planet.

1128
01:04:34.679 --> 01:04:35.519
Oh, yeah, yeah.

1129
01:04:35.579 --> 01:04:41.039
I bet they because obviously Avery is superimposed on that and Terry is genuinely in the park.

1130
01:04:41.099 --> 01:04:44.579
I wonder if they just superimposed the power play planet over him.

1131
01:04:44.639 --> 01:04:58.739
So, so again, like it hadn't realised, like I don't think I had realised originally the reason that Avery sees it like this and that Dax sees it the other way is, of course, this is the world that Avery inhabits.

1132
01:04:59.039 --> 01:05:03.960
And she's very centred. and beautiful. stormy and miserable.

1133
01:05:04.019 --> 01:05:15.539
It's got gray clouds overhead that's where he is now and she, you know, for her, the world is completely different. come on Season 6 should be walking out.

1134
01:05:15.599 --> 01:05:19.139
It'll be a debauched pottery, all she's going on everywhere, wouldn't it?

1135
01:05:19.199 --> 01:05:20.039
Well, the hot man.

1136
01:05:20.760 --> 01:05:24.239
Where's Malcolm from Where the Warrior?

1137
01:05:27.300 --> 01:05:30.480
Go back to this park again and again, but it is very beautiful.

1138
01:05:30.539 --> 01:05:37.199
See, but you see what I mean about the bunched up around his, like, his bum looks terrible in that outfit.

1139
01:05:37.260 --> 01:05:39.420
I just think it's not very flattering.

1140
01:05:39.539 --> 01:05:41.820
Usually for me, I wasn't looking at Apron's bomb.

1141
01:05:42.239 --> 01:05:50.940
But again, age 13, I can see myself watching this has its cutting from the park to the...

1142
01:05:51.000 --> 01:05:51.659
What is this?

1143
01:05:51.719 --> 01:05:56.460
And then this, I think this is a great effect of the profit coming in and zooming between them in a minute.

1144
01:05:56.519 --> 01:06:01.019
But also just the way we flick between them, like in her lighting changes.

1145
01:06:01.079 --> 01:06:09.300
So she's in the park for a second and then she's here and she can see things here and the light flickers in the background flickers and stuff.

1146
01:06:09.360 --> 01:06:12.000
It's really well done. serious editing there, isn't it?

1147
01:06:12.059 --> 01:06:13.739
Oh, we'll talk about editing later.

1148
01:06:13.800 --> 01:06:16.199
Yeah, I think it's really good. think it's great.

1149
01:06:16.260 --> 01:06:17.400
Actually, we'd have to.

1150
01:06:17.400 --> 01:06:18.539
It's coming up in a second.

1151
01:06:18.599 --> 01:06:27.960
The fact that they would have had to have shot all those profit scenes in all of those different locations whilst they were filming other scenes and then put it together.

1152
01:06:28.019 --> 01:06:31.440
So it's fluidic and it makes dramatic sense.

1153
01:06:31.500 --> 01:06:34.320
That is some great work on the part of the editor.

1154
01:06:34.380 --> 01:06:35.460
Yeah, yeah.

1155
01:06:35.519 --> 01:06:38.760
I mean, it is, in a sense, it is, yeah, this sense, do you know what I mean?

1156
01:06:38.820 --> 01:06:43.679
When we're flashing between her being in his landscape in her own landscape.

1157
01:06:43.800 --> 01:06:44.760
It's weird, isn't it?

1158
01:06:44.820 --> 01:06:46.440
We do like a bit of weird in style.

1159
01:06:46.440 --> 01:06:47.159
It is really good.

1160
01:06:47.219 --> 01:06:48.420
And that's what it's doing too.

1161
01:06:48.480 --> 01:06:50.099
That was the other thing that I think it's doing.

1162
01:06:50.159 --> 01:07:01.619
It is making it clear that this is still Star Trek in the sense that, you know, there's omnipotent alien entities and weirdness and, you know, virtual worlds and all of that sort of thing.

1163
01:07:01.619 --> 01:07:02.699
We're still expecting that.

1164
01:07:02.760 --> 01:07:05.639
I found really scary when I was younger.

1165
01:07:05.699 --> 01:07:12.780
There's light coming up through the cracks and then all of the light bleeding out and losing Cisco in it.

1166
01:07:12.840 --> 01:07:13.739
Yeah, yeah.

1167
01:07:13.800 --> 01:07:15.900
Because I just couldn't comprehend what was happening.

1168
01:07:15.960 --> 01:07:16.920
I was like, what is going on?

1169
01:07:16.980 --> 01:07:19.019
Yeah, it's amazing, isn't it?

1170
01:07:19.079 --> 01:07:20.820
I've lost control of this episode.

1171
01:07:20.880 --> 01:07:21.420
What's happening?

1172
01:07:22.679 --> 01:07:24.059
Yeah.

1173
01:07:24.119 --> 01:07:29.039
I mean, actually, and they keep referring to that visual every time we go to the profits in the future.

1174
01:07:29.099 --> 01:07:32.639
You always have somebody standing in a white space right up the door.

1175
01:07:32.699 --> 01:07:34.800
The light is so bright, but it's covering them.

1176
01:07:34.800 --> 01:07:37.079
Like it's making them less visible as well.

1177
01:07:37.139 --> 01:07:45.000
Until you get to um, Cassidy and Ben in the last episode where they won a romantic moment.

1178
01:07:45.059 --> 01:07:47.820
So they're picture perfect in that scene.

1179
01:07:48.360 --> 01:07:52.260
Yeah, I think like it, Penny Johnson.

1180
01:07:52.920 --> 01:07:55.139
Ah, yeah, yeah, she'll be along at some point.

1181
01:07:55.199 --> 01:07:56.460
It's amazing isn't it?

1182
01:07:56.519 --> 01:07:57.719
Another great woman. yeah.

1183
01:07:57.780 --> 01:07:59.280
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1184
01:07:59.340 --> 01:08:00.300
Keiko.

1185
01:08:00.360 --> 01:08:01.019
Oh my word.

1186
01:08:01.079 --> 01:08:06.840
Yeah, she gets a mention and she's obviously they know she's going to be in it because she's agreed to be in it for a bit.

1187
01:08:06.900 --> 01:08:09.179
She's in the 2nd episode setting up the score, actually.

1188
01:08:09.239 --> 01:08:11.760
Rosalind, are you free for the pilot?

1189
01:08:11.820 --> 01:08:12.900
I'm doing a movie, love.

1190
01:08:12.960 --> 01:08:13.320
Sorry.

1191
01:08:13.380 --> 01:08:15.900
She's doing a lot of movies at this point, isn't she?

1192
01:08:15.960 --> 01:08:19.319
Yeah, she was a very popular actress at the time.

1193
01:08:19.380 --> 01:08:19.979
Yeah.

1194
01:08:20.039 --> 01:08:20.760
Yeah.

1195
01:08:20.819 --> 01:08:23.699
That was the height of her kind of career, I think.

1196
01:08:23.760 --> 01:08:28.079
So tell me now, why, why were you so impressed with this this time?

1197
01:08:28.140 --> 01:08:33.539
So what I think, I think initially we get the who are you thing, and then we get these shots.

1198
01:08:33.600 --> 01:08:35.460
We don't quite know what's happening.

1199
01:08:36.359 --> 01:08:40.619
And we get this initial reaction where he's confused.

1200
01:08:40.739 --> 01:08:51.960
But then later on, once he's talking to a series of them, the carts are between, like these carts are still really abrupt, but he stops being surprised.

1201
01:08:52.020 --> 01:08:59.579
So what they don't decide to do is have him react to suddenly being in a new place talking to a completely new person.

1202
01:08:59.640 --> 01:09:00.479
Do you know what I mean?

1203
01:09:00.539 --> 01:09:16.739
Like, we just get the initial sort of thing where this is weird, but now he can just interact with them, and he carries on a conversation throughout, like, with different people answering him and asking him questions without being phased by them, and without kind of, you know, without that sort of startling thing.

1204
01:09:16.859 --> 01:09:19.739
And so he suddenly kind of adapts and he's talking to them normally.

1205
01:09:19.800 --> 01:09:26.640
And what I think is really good is, of course, and we've said this before, we choose the right people to say the particular things.

1206
01:09:26.699 --> 01:09:34.319
And you have the Kai Opaka prophet saying exactly the things that Kai Parker had said.

1207
01:09:34.380 --> 01:09:39.359
But what I detected this time is a relationship between him and the Jennifer Prophet.

1208
01:09:41.279 --> 01:09:43.920
Yeah, then why do you exist here?

1209
01:09:43.979 --> 01:09:46.380
But she's the 1st to understand it.

1210
01:09:46.439 --> 01:09:47.579
Do you know what I mean?

1211
01:09:47.640 --> 01:09:50.100
She's the 1st one to understand what's going on.

1212
01:09:50.159 --> 01:09:54.659
And what I think is really brilliant too, is they don't understand time.

1213
01:09:54.720 --> 01:09:58.680
He has to explain it to them, but they're the ones who work out.

1214
01:09:58.739 --> 01:10:04.500
What the problem with him is that the problem is, although he talks about linear time.

1215
01:10:04.859 --> 01:10:13.199
That's not how he's experiencing time at all because every time he closes his eyes, he's back there in that cabin looking at Jennifer.

1216
01:10:13.260 --> 01:10:15.539
And like it's so good.

1217
01:10:15.600 --> 01:10:21.840
Like, it's so good that they're, you know, it's not the, will teach us this human concept you call kissing.

1218
01:10:21.899 --> 01:10:22.680
Do you know what I mean?

1219
01:10:22.739 --> 01:10:23.520
Like, it's not that.

1220
01:10:23.579 --> 01:10:34.560
He's explaining time to them, but then they explain it back to him, and they teach him something, that they discover from him, but that he's unable to, so they don't sweep in and solve the problem.

1221
01:10:34.619 --> 01:10:40.380
He, he tells them the thing, but they, they learn from it and reflected back to him.

1222
01:10:40.439 --> 01:10:41.520
And I just think it's so good.

1223
01:10:41.579 --> 01:10:52.739
And I think, I think there's a moment where he talks to Jennifer and he tells her about touch, how important touches and how humans as corporeal beings find it pleasurable.

1224
01:10:52.800 --> 01:11:01.619
And then later when he's really distressed, Jennifer reaches out and touches his face at one and I just thought it was so touching and so clever.

1225
01:11:01.680 --> 01:11:04.500
Well she's the one that says back to him, doesn't she?

1226
01:11:04.560 --> 01:11:06.420
The sound of children playing.

1227
01:11:06.420 --> 01:11:07.859
Yeah, really trying to understand.

1228
01:11:07.920 --> 01:11:09.119
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1229
01:11:09.180 --> 01:11:10.140
It's really good.

1230
01:11:10.199 --> 01:11:11.399
She's great in that.

1231
01:11:11.460 --> 01:11:13.560
And I just thought it was good.

1232
01:11:13.619 --> 01:11:22.500
Within that as well, he gets to reinstate the Star Trek ideal of going out there and exploring things and that's beautifully scripted as well.

1233
01:11:22.560 --> 01:11:41.399
The development of that sequence from him being completely lost and not understanding, to figuring out how it's all working, to then him educating them about what humanity is all about, to them healing him or helping him to heal himself.

1234
01:11:41.460 --> 01:11:43.380
That's an incredible development.

1235
01:11:43.439 --> 01:11:50.520
And it's all done with such a visually arresting style of cutting back and forth to all of those different locations.

1236
01:11:50.579 --> 01:11:59.460
But if you're not looking carefully, it just looks like a bunch of random shit happening, but it's just very, very well sort of thought through and very well written, I think.

1237
01:11:59.579 --> 01:12:02.520
There might just be one or 2 what is this?

1238
01:12:02.520 --> 01:12:03.600
is too many.

1239
01:12:03.659 --> 01:12:06.000
Well, I was going, figure it out, guys.

1240
01:12:06.000 --> 01:12:08.819
My favourite one is where the guy says, what is this?

1241
01:12:08.819 --> 01:12:14.279
And he says, I thought you'd say that or something.

1242
01:12:14.279 --> 01:12:17.699
I was afraid you'd say that, which I thought was really good.

1243
01:12:17.760 --> 01:12:19.680
But it's good dialogue, right?

1244
01:12:19.739 --> 01:12:22.560
I mean, we don't often praise 90s.

1245
01:12:22.560 --> 01:12:23.819
It's trek for good dialogue.

1246
01:12:24.659 --> 01:12:28.199
I did love that bit when Odo says I need to come along.

1247
01:12:28.260 --> 01:12:29.819
It could be the answers to everything.

1248
01:12:29.880 --> 01:12:37.319
That set, the top of the set with the, you know, with the windows of the habitat ring and stuff, like it just looks so good.

1249
01:12:37.380 --> 01:12:39.539
It just looks so amazingly good.

1250
01:12:40.560 --> 01:12:47.880
Yeah, so you get Picard being adversarial, the cutest being adversarial, the the baseball player.

1251
01:12:47.939 --> 01:12:50.159
I mean, the camera doesn't stop moving.

1252
01:12:50.220 --> 01:12:51.600
They're on location for most of this stuff.

1253
01:12:51.659 --> 01:12:55.079
So they could do like some interesting camera work during these scenes as well.

1254
01:12:55.140 --> 01:12:56.460
Oh, it's just brilliant.

1255
01:12:56.520 --> 01:12:57.180
Yeah.

1256
01:12:57.180 --> 01:12:58.020
Yeah.

1257
01:12:58.079 --> 01:13:06.420
But it's it's how it's edited together to make you have such a emotional connection with what they're talking about.

1258
01:13:06.479 --> 01:13:09.180
I think that takes real skill.

1259
01:13:09.239 --> 01:13:15.060
Kevin, this is piecemeal. bit shot in all kinds of, in different days with different actors.

1260
01:13:15.119 --> 01:13:17.340
It's so clever.

1261
01:13:17.399 --> 01:13:19.140
It's really well done, I think.

1262
01:13:19.199 --> 01:13:21.420
And I think every kind of ties it all together.

1263
01:13:21.479 --> 01:13:29.640
You know, like just because of the way that he just continues through from moment to moment, there's a real sort of thread through it.

1264
01:13:29.699 --> 01:13:30.300
I think it's good.

1265
01:13:30.420 --> 01:13:32.279
I don't know if you can understand.

1266
01:13:32.340 --> 01:13:36.659
I see her like this every day every time I close my eyes.

1267
01:13:36.720 --> 01:13:38.460
I see her like this.

1268
01:13:39.000 --> 01:13:43.859
I actually think it's a little bit of a shame that she's sort of fairly decorously asleep.

1269
01:13:43.920 --> 01:13:45.060
I can understand.

1270
01:13:45.119 --> 01:13:46.619
You know what I mean?

1271
01:13:46.680 --> 01:13:51.479
Like, that is super upsetting, but, you know, there's no blood.

1272
01:13:51.539 --> 01:13:52.560
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1273
01:13:52.560 --> 01:13:54.720
It's just like, yeah.

1274
01:13:54.840 --> 01:13:56.220
Yeah.

1275
01:13:56.279 --> 01:14:00.300
Oh, and obviously, Sue Rock, it does get the absolute the funniest line.

1276
01:14:00.359 --> 01:14:03.239
You value your ignorance of what is to come.

1277
01:14:03.300 --> 01:14:05.100
But that's brilliant.

1278
01:14:05.159 --> 01:14:06.420
Like, that's brilliant.

1279
01:14:06.479 --> 01:14:09.600
And the, like I said before, this is also the show.

1280
01:14:09.659 --> 01:14:11.399
It's about Star Trek.

1281
01:14:11.460 --> 01:14:18.420
You know, that the unknown is what defines us, that we explore the galaxy and we explore our lives.

1282
01:14:18.479 --> 01:14:20.399
I think both of those are great lines.

1283
01:14:20.460 --> 01:14:26.520
So that's talking about the show, which is about space problems and about character.

1284
01:14:26.640 --> 01:14:29.819
And it's talking about them making the show.

1285
01:14:29.880 --> 01:14:33.659
They don't know where they're going or where they're going to end up and that's exciting.

1286
01:14:33.720 --> 01:14:35.579
Um, it's, it's terrific.

1287
01:14:35.640 --> 01:14:38.699
But it's never a guess where DS9 would have ended up at this point.

1288
01:14:38.760 --> 01:14:39.899
But boy, what a journey.

1289
01:14:39.960 --> 01:14:41.039
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1290
01:14:41.100 --> 01:14:42.060
It's amazing, isn't it?

1291
01:14:42.119 --> 01:14:43.859
But they're prefiguring it here, I think.

1292
01:14:44.039 --> 01:14:48.000
We never would have guessed we would have got to the planet Meridian, would we?

1293
01:14:48.300 --> 01:14:50.399
like a dune in space.

1294
01:14:50.460 --> 01:14:56.760
I love, I love that field that's like, it's almost like liquid.

1295
01:14:56.819 --> 01:14:57.420
Do you know what I mean?

1296
01:14:57.479 --> 01:15:01.739
Like it's not fully formed and it's like sparking and fizzing and stuff.

1297
01:15:01.800 --> 01:15:04.140
And then it just snaps into existence.

1298
01:15:04.199 --> 01:15:05.399
Do you hear what he said?

1299
01:15:05.460 --> 01:15:07.500
Partial shield.

1300
01:15:07.560 --> 01:15:08.340
Did you hear that?

1301
01:15:08.399 --> 01:15:09.600
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1302
01:15:09.600 --> 01:15:12.960
And they've just got nothing, have they?

1303
01:15:13.020 --> 01:15:19.560
And I love how they've craftily improvised their way out of this very dangerous situation in the 2nd half.

1304
01:15:19.800 --> 01:15:32.100
Well, um, and remember, of course, we go back to it in, um, in Way of the Warrior, where the Klingons say, oh, it's just what, thorium shadows or something like that.

1305
01:15:32.699 --> 01:15:33.960
Actually, no.

1306
01:15:34.020 --> 01:15:35.159
Not this time.

1307
01:15:35.819 --> 01:15:42.479
Those fucking phases and photo on top, videos, come shooting out of the upper films.

1308
01:15:42.779 --> 01:15:47.520
I mean, it's all the last lines of the scenes in this.

1309
01:15:47.579 --> 01:15:52.560
I think Michael Peter has a gift for it where he goes, computer, you and I need to have a little talk.

1310
01:15:55.020 --> 01:15:58.560
And in fact, we did it in the Forsaken as well, didn't we?

1311
01:15:58.619 --> 01:16:00.899
Yeah, it was a terrible time with the computer in that, wasn't it?

1312
01:16:00.960 --> 01:16:01.800
Yeah.

1313
01:16:01.800 --> 01:16:03.239
Or it has its baby.

1314
01:16:03.300 --> 01:16:04.800
Remember that worked in emissary?

1315
01:16:04.859 --> 01:16:05.819
Maybe we'll do a bit more of that.

1316
01:16:05.880 --> 01:16:07.680
We've got some time to fill in this episode.

1317
01:16:07.859 --> 01:16:29.399
What I love as well, and I don't know how you're going to feel about this, but I think it's very clever and unpatronizing that they make the profits such an obscure and different alien race that I can understand how a race of spiritual people would conceive them as good.

1318
01:16:29.460 --> 01:16:35.819
Yeah, because time, because they appear at different times in the timeline, and that's manifestations of God, isn't it?

1319
01:16:35.880 --> 01:16:38.340
Then that's because they don't exist in linear time.

1320
01:16:38.399 --> 01:16:44.220
I think they make religion work in Star Trek in a way that it never has before.

1321
01:16:44.279 --> 01:16:46.140
God doesn't exist in linear time.

1322
01:16:46.199 --> 01:16:47.340
Do you know what I mean?

1323
01:16:47.399 --> 01:16:49.319
Like, like he doesn't exist in linear time.

1324
01:16:49.380 --> 01:16:50.939
He experiences everything at the same time.

1325
01:16:51.000 --> 01:16:53.640
Well, this is what people who know him say anyway.

1326
01:16:57.359 --> 01:16:59.520
No, he's due after you're gone.

1327
01:16:59.579 --> 01:17:00.600
Oh, right.

1328
01:17:03.180 --> 01:17:07.619
Julian does spend a bit of time on the bridge and I'm not quite sure why.

1329
01:17:07.680 --> 01:17:10.319
And they've taken him here.

1330
01:17:10.380 --> 01:17:11.760
Why exactly?

1331
01:17:11.880 --> 01:17:13.260
I don't know.

1332
01:17:13.319 --> 01:17:14.039
Doesn't he go?

1333
01:17:14.100 --> 01:17:16.439
Yes, or something at the end when they win.

1334
01:17:16.500 --> 01:17:20.159
No, he doesn't he do the yes, sir. when she says to me a hero.

1335
01:17:20.220 --> 01:17:21.539
And we had that bit.

1336
01:17:21.600 --> 01:17:22.260
Have we passed it?

1337
01:17:22.319 --> 01:17:23.159
I think we have.

1338
01:17:23.220 --> 01:17:24.420
Oh, this is great.

1339
01:17:24.479 --> 01:17:25.800
To go to car.

1340
01:17:25.859 --> 01:17:26.699
Warmhole?

1341
01:17:26.760 --> 01:17:28.020
What worm was that?

1342
01:17:30.600 --> 01:17:33.300
We strongly suggest you don't proceed.

1343
01:17:33.359 --> 01:17:34.920
They've been swallowed up by it, all right?

1344
01:17:34.979 --> 01:17:35.640
Yeah.

1345
01:17:35.699 --> 01:17:39.420
Well, again, and it's Picard gets to deliver the line.

1346
01:17:39.479 --> 01:17:52.319
You know, I do think that they're, you know, their former prefect or something being dragged, towed through the wormhole by one of our runabouts. uh, you know, made them decide not to keep climbing.

1347
01:17:52.380 --> 01:17:58.079
So funny, Nathan, isn't it, that they fought at this point that the runabouts were an exciting design.

1348
01:17:58.140 --> 01:18:04.260
And it only takes them 2 years and they go, maybe we'll upgrade this a bit to the defiant.

1349
01:18:04.319 --> 01:18:05.279
Yeah, yeah.

1350
01:18:05.340 --> 01:18:05.699
Yeah.

1351
01:18:05.760 --> 01:18:10.020
I mean, they use one in, in, uh, what's it, timescape, don't they?

1352
01:18:10.079 --> 01:18:11.100
We do get to see one.

1353
01:18:11.159 --> 01:18:21.479
The greatest laugh you and I have ever howled out, and untitled Star Trek project, was during the two-parter in season 5, um, in Purgatory Shadow of Bayern Furno's Light.

1354
01:18:21.539 --> 01:18:30.479
At the end, you know, where they think there's going to be a big battle and all the Romulan ships appear and then it cuts to ops and Cisco goes, launch the runabouts.

1355
01:18:30.539 --> 01:18:33.840
Like, what the fuck are they going to do for God's sake?

1356
01:18:34.859 --> 01:18:38.880
They're like the canaries in the war, you know, send them in first.

1357
01:18:38.939 --> 01:18:48.479
So this here's part of this thing where Cisco is explaining to Prophet Jennifer about his relationship with Jennifer and why she was important.

1358
01:18:48.539 --> 01:18:58.619
And there's that thing where he says, we can't go back in time to get something we left behind or to get what we left behind.

1359
01:18:58.680 --> 01:18:59.340
Do you know what I mean?

1360
01:18:59.399 --> 01:19:03.180
Which is the a prefiguring of the final episode's title.

1361
01:19:03.239 --> 01:19:05.399
And she just goes, I can't believe it.

1362
01:19:05.399 --> 01:19:07.859
It's impossible that anyone...

1363
01:19:07.859 --> 01:19:10.680
We believe inconceivable that anyone could live like this.

1364
01:19:10.739 --> 01:19:11.699
And that's it.

1365
01:19:11.760 --> 01:19:12.119
It is.

1366
01:19:12.180 --> 01:19:13.079
Do you know what I mean?

1367
01:19:13.140 --> 01:19:16.439
Someone vanishes into your past and then they're gone forever.

1368
01:19:16.500 --> 01:19:19.260
It's inconceivable that anyone could live like that.

1369
01:19:19.319 --> 01:19:24.060
But we're also seeing these beautiful moments in Cisco's life as well.

1370
01:19:24.119 --> 01:19:26.100
It's all great character building too.

1371
01:19:26.159 --> 01:19:30.000
When Jake, when they decided to have Jake, when Jake was born.

1372
01:19:30.060 --> 01:19:31.619
It's just fab.

1373
01:19:31.680 --> 01:19:34.619
Each day affects the nest.

1374
01:19:34.739 --> 01:19:39.060
Oh, I couldn't even start to begin describing a linear time to somebody that doesn't understand it.

1375
01:19:39.119 --> 01:19:40.020
He does a great job.

1376
01:19:40.079 --> 01:19:41.939
Yeah, yeah, it's great.

1377
01:19:42.000 --> 01:19:43.859
And then looking across at them.

1378
01:19:43.920 --> 01:19:46.680
And I do like like both couples in the scene.

1379
01:19:46.739 --> 01:19:58.140
So the flashback couple of Cisco and Jennifer, in normal light, and then we look across and we see the glowing gold version of them in the background, we even pull focus between them.

1380
01:19:58.199 --> 01:19:59.340
It's really good.

1381
01:19:59.399 --> 01:20:02.340
So he's probably 18000000 here, can't you?

1382
01:20:02.399 --> 01:20:03.539
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1383
01:20:03.600 --> 01:20:07.739
But remember we discovered that he's taking them to these places.

1384
01:20:07.800 --> 01:20:10.380
You know, he says, why do you keep bringing me back here?

1385
01:20:10.380 --> 01:20:13.199
And they say, no, no, you're bringing us here.

1386
01:20:13.260 --> 01:20:17.939
Um, you know, so he, these are important times to him.

1387
01:20:18.000 --> 01:20:23.460
The reason that they're being shown to the prophets is not because the prophets are choosing them and the kids.

1388
01:20:23.460 --> 01:20:24.420
How are performers here?

1389
01:20:24.420 --> 01:20:25.199
That's...

1390
01:20:25.199 --> 01:20:26.939
Where she touches a leap.

1391
01:20:27.000 --> 01:20:28.920
No, the real Jennifer.

1392
01:20:28.979 --> 01:20:35.579
And then you cut to the other one and it's just a little bit odd and she's trying to understand.

1393
01:20:35.640 --> 01:20:36.960
It's so different isn't it?

1394
01:20:37.020 --> 01:20:37.859
Do you know what I mean?

1395
01:20:37.920 --> 01:20:41.279
We do that and he's stricken and she goes, what's the kiss about?

1396
01:20:41.340 --> 01:20:46.079
And then he explains it to her and then that comes back.

1397
01:20:46.140 --> 01:20:48.840
I think it's beautiful, but she doesn't say, what is this?

1398
01:20:48.899 --> 01:20:51.119
You just stop the human thing you call kissing.

1399
01:20:51.180 --> 01:20:55.920
But it is also like we do that when we watch people do things, we imitate them.

1400
01:20:55.979 --> 01:20:56.640
Do you know what I mean?

1401
01:20:56.699 --> 01:21:03.720
We have those sort of mirror neurons that and we kind of we imitate what people do, what we see people do.

1402
01:21:03.840 --> 01:21:05.640
Now we back here.

1403
01:21:05.699 --> 01:21:07.260
I like it when he gets angry.

1404
01:21:07.319 --> 01:21:10.079
What is the point of bringing me back here to this?

1405
01:21:10.140 --> 01:21:10.859
Yeah.

1406
01:21:10.859 --> 01:21:12.600
We don't bring you here.

1407
01:21:12.659 --> 01:21:13.500
You bring us here.

1408
01:21:13.560 --> 01:21:14.279
You bring us here.

1409
01:21:14.340 --> 01:21:17.880
I think it's really good He brings himself here all the time.

1410
01:21:18.000 --> 01:21:27.899
Could be quite pony, because it's it's, it is sort of um, Trek Psych 101. using all of this visual metaphor for to show his pain.

1411
01:21:27.960 --> 01:21:31.020
But I just think it's really delicately done.

1412
01:21:31.079 --> 01:21:32.340
I think so too.

1413
01:21:32.399 --> 01:21:33.060
This.

1414
01:21:33.119 --> 01:21:34.319
Why do you exist here?

1415
01:21:34.380 --> 01:21:35.880
And he thinks, what do you mean?

1416
01:21:35.939 --> 01:21:37.260
I lived through this.

1417
01:21:37.319 --> 01:21:38.159
I exist here.

1418
01:21:38.220 --> 01:21:40.140
You don't have linear time, but why exist here?

1419
01:21:40.199 --> 01:21:42.239
No, she says, no, you exist here.

1420
01:21:42.300 --> 01:21:44.039
This is where you exist.

1421
01:21:44.100 --> 01:21:48.479
Not that you were here at some and therefore it's part of your linear existence.

1422
01:21:48.539 --> 01:21:49.920
This is where you live.

1423
01:21:49.979 --> 01:21:51.300
This is where you are.

1424
01:21:51.420 --> 01:21:57.000
And I do love her in the bikini stepping out of the shitty CGI flame, isn't it?

1425
01:21:57.060 --> 01:21:57.300
Yeah.

1426
01:21:57.600 --> 01:22:01.319
Well, again, they're just like they're stressing the weirdness.

1427
01:22:01.380 --> 01:22:02.760
It is still Star Trek.

1428
01:22:02.880 --> 01:22:03.720
Yeah, yeah.

1429
01:22:03.779 --> 01:22:07.380
I know we're talking about feelings a lot, but it is still Star Trek.

1430
01:22:08.579 --> 01:22:10.680
Oh, dear.

1431
01:22:10.739 --> 01:22:13.979
What are they attempting to do here in the runabout?

1432
01:22:14.039 --> 01:22:16.140
Oh, this is where the wormhole blows up, isn't it?

1433
01:22:16.199 --> 01:22:16.859
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1434
01:22:16.920 --> 01:22:20.460
Are they just going to get Cisco and that's it, really?

1435
01:22:20.520 --> 01:22:21.539
They're going to rescue him?

1436
01:22:21.659 --> 01:22:24.119
Odo's face. my god.

1437
01:22:24.779 --> 01:22:29.880
Yeah, I just think that slathering extra makeup on was a bad idea.

1438
01:22:29.939 --> 01:22:32.460
Well, Nana, you're in charge of the show now.

1439
01:22:32.520 --> 01:22:34.739
Yeah, yeah, he's in a thing.

1440
01:22:35.520 --> 01:22:43.619
And and so something is harming them, but then that goes away in a line of dialogue at the end in the captain's commander's log or whatever.

1441
01:22:43.680 --> 01:22:46.319
Yes, we were sort of dismiss that, don't we?

1442
01:22:46.380 --> 01:22:49.020
It's a bit like the force of nature twist.

1443
01:22:49.079 --> 01:22:49.920
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1444
01:22:49.979 --> 01:22:50.819
We don't want to do that.

1445
01:22:50.880 --> 01:22:53.699
We don't want us to be stuck of...

1446
01:22:54.420 --> 01:22:56.279
We want people to go back and forth through the passage.

1447
01:22:56.340 --> 01:22:58.859
You know, that's why we have it there.

1448
01:22:58.920 --> 01:22:59.819
Do you know what I mean?

1449
01:22:59.880 --> 01:23:02.579
Like, that's it's bringing aliens to us.

1450
01:23:02.699 --> 01:23:06.779
You have no responsibility for the consequences of your actions.

1451
01:23:06.840 --> 01:23:13.920
No, but then he explains because how we do that because they say, how do you take responsibility for your actions?

1452
01:23:13.979 --> 01:23:23.220
And he kind of goes, well, we see patterns and we and we judge what likely consequences are, but we also accept there could be any consequence.

1453
01:23:23.279 --> 01:23:26.100
I had never, ever thought about time like that.

1454
01:23:26.159 --> 01:23:29.279
Like, I can still, I know I keep going back to me at 13.

1455
01:23:29.460 --> 01:23:39.899
I just never thought I'd never seen it explained in such an interesting way and I don't know, it was just making me look at things. was revolutionising how my brain was working.

1456
01:23:39.960 --> 01:23:42.960
That may sound like hyperbole, but there we are.

1457
01:23:43.020 --> 01:23:46.319
No, because when you're a kid, you haven't made any big decisions.

1458
01:23:46.439 --> 01:23:48.239
You know, you don't get to make...

1459
01:23:48.359 --> 01:23:48.899
Excuse me?

1460
01:23:48.960 --> 01:23:53.579
I have to choose between the turtles, cards and the Doctor Who cards, all right?

1461
01:23:53.640 --> 01:23:54.960
yeah that is pretty rough.

1462
01:23:55.020 --> 01:23:55.500
Okay.

1463
01:23:55.560 --> 01:23:56.460
I love this.

1464
01:23:56.520 --> 01:23:57.119
Okay.

1465
01:23:57.180 --> 01:24:11.699
And one of the reasons that I love it, one of the things that I think they do the right thing is make the baseball mid-20th century so that it reads like the past to us as well as reading like the past to Cisco.

1466
01:24:11.760 --> 01:24:22.920
So rather than, you know, having in a baseball team in the 1990s that we interact with, look at what everyone's wearing, look at the truck in the background, everything's, it's like the 1950s or something and they're picking the things out.

1467
01:24:22.979 --> 01:24:25.079
I never noticed the cars in the background before.

1468
01:24:25.140 --> 01:24:26.279
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1469
01:24:26.340 --> 01:24:28.739
So it's early.

1470
01:24:28.859 --> 01:24:30.300
David, I've watched this a lot.

1471
01:24:30.359 --> 01:24:32.699
But I love that.

1472
01:24:32.760 --> 01:24:35.699
I think that's always a really good choice and this show does that quite a bit.

1473
01:24:35.760 --> 01:24:42.899
I think, you know, making the early 20th century the past so that we get to enjoy it as the past as well.

1474
01:24:42.960 --> 01:24:48.180
But also, I just think baseball's a brilliant, as a brilliant metaphor.

1475
01:24:48.239 --> 01:24:49.079
They never let it go.

1476
01:24:49.140 --> 01:24:50.699
It's so great.

1477
01:24:50.760 --> 01:24:56.640
It's Narise, do you want to come to a baseball game with me in an episode where he nearly dies in her arms?

1478
01:24:56.699 --> 01:25:00.840
It's so lock and the 9 are fighting against each other.

1479
01:25:00.899 --> 01:25:02.039
Do you know what I mean?

1480
01:25:02.100 --> 01:25:07.260
It's he leaves the baseball at the end of a call to arms to say he's coming back.

1481
01:25:07.319 --> 01:25:08.340
You know what I mean?

1482
01:25:08.399 --> 01:25:10.380
There's stuff here that they never, ever let go of.

1483
01:25:10.439 --> 01:25:19.920
But you see how animated he is by the baseball thing because he really likes it, but you also see him discovering what he's saying to them.

1484
01:25:19.979 --> 01:25:27.239
I don't think he knows going in what he's saying to them, but here he is in the baseball diamond and he gets to explain the game.

1485
01:25:27.300 --> 01:25:29.460
And so Jake asked that question.

1486
01:25:29.520 --> 01:25:32.520
He goes, that might be the most important thing to understand about humans.

1487
01:25:32.640 --> 01:25:34.380
We don't know the future.

1488
01:25:34.439 --> 01:25:36.119
That's why we explore.

1489
01:25:36.180 --> 01:25:39.300
And that's why we create TV shows like this.

1490
01:25:39.359 --> 01:25:43.020
And that's why we decide to propose to a beautiful woman.

1491
01:25:43.079 --> 01:25:45.000
You know, like it's so good.

1492
01:25:45.119 --> 01:25:46.260
It's so good.

1493
01:25:46.260 --> 01:25:50.100
He smiles and throws the baseball in the air and goes, because it's linear.

1494
01:25:50.159 --> 01:25:53.399
Yeah, he's like, I could tie all this together.

1495
01:25:53.460 --> 01:25:54.600
Yeah, yeah.

1496
01:25:54.659 --> 01:25:55.560
But he gets it.

1497
01:25:55.619 --> 01:26:01.140
He's learning, you know, he's learning and he's learning to reach out to them in a very traditional Star Trek way.

1498
01:26:01.199 --> 01:26:08.939
And I love the shot of the man there, the baseball guy, understanding when he's saying we're not a threat to you is like, okay.

1499
01:26:09.000 --> 01:26:09.720
Yeah.

1500
01:26:09.720 --> 01:26:10.260
All right.

1501
01:26:10.319 --> 01:26:11.340
Maybe we can make this one.

1502
01:26:11.399 --> 01:26:12.239
Of course, we know now.

1503
01:26:12.300 --> 01:26:14.460
And the future, well, the profit's planned all this all along.

1504
01:26:14.520 --> 01:26:15.779
They're responsible for his birth.

1505
01:26:15.840 --> 01:26:18.420
Yeah, that's a little bit of a cheat, isn't it?

1506
01:26:18.479 --> 01:26:18.899
Oh, well.

1507
01:26:18.960 --> 01:26:19.739
Oh, that's okay.

1508
01:26:19.800 --> 01:26:21.359
Nathan, they're not linear, you know.

1509
01:26:21.420 --> 01:26:22.500
Yes, so.

1510
01:26:23.880 --> 01:26:26.039
Aye, aye, aye.

1511
01:26:26.100 --> 01:26:28.800
And there's something about the...

1512
01:26:28.920 --> 01:26:30.840
Oh, anyway, where are we now?

1513
01:26:30.899 --> 01:26:37.800
Oh, so we're now at the wormhole, um, and this is this is Kira giving the thing, is it?

1514
01:26:37.859 --> 01:26:39.479
That's right.

1515
01:26:39.539 --> 01:26:40.920
Oh, and the Cardassians are here.

1516
01:26:40.979 --> 01:26:43.260
They're demanding to know where Gold Dakar is.

1517
01:26:43.319 --> 01:26:45.899
So this going close up on Sid for some reason.

1518
01:26:47.520 --> 01:26:49.739
He's in TNG, isn't he?

1519
01:26:49.800 --> 01:26:51.239
He's in a couple of episodes, TNG.

1520
01:26:51.300 --> 01:26:52.619
Is he?

1521
01:26:52.680 --> 01:26:53.880
I think so.

1522
01:26:53.939 --> 01:26:54.600
Well the actor is.

1523
01:26:54.659 --> 01:26:57.659
I think he's the same actor who played Gullivic.

1524
01:26:57.720 --> 01:26:58.500
Gullivic.

1525
01:26:58.560 --> 01:26:59.220
He's great.

1526
01:26:59.279 --> 01:27:00.479
I think he is fantastic.

1527
01:27:00.539 --> 01:27:02.460
He's really properly good, I think.

1528
01:27:02.939 --> 01:27:05.819
Yeah, he's always a little bit campus, right?

1529
01:27:05.880 --> 01:27:06.600
We do like a camp.

1530
01:27:06.659 --> 01:27:07.199
Yeah, exactly.

1531
01:27:07.260 --> 01:27:08.640
Well, I mean, they're all a bit camp.

1532
01:27:08.699 --> 01:27:10.380
I mean, Marco Lemo is pretty camp.

1533
01:27:10.380 --> 01:27:12.479
He goes later on.

1534
01:27:12.539 --> 01:27:15.479
We demand your immediate surrender.

1535
01:27:17.399 --> 01:27:21.060
Oh, shit, the whips are coming out when they're on board.

1536
01:27:21.119 --> 01:27:22.739
Get out of the phases, everyone.

1537
01:27:23.579 --> 01:27:27.300
And so the 2 women are in charge. which is pretty great.

1538
01:27:27.359 --> 01:27:29.399
I think that's pretty good Yes.

1539
01:27:29.460 --> 01:27:33.300
You couldn't imagine Troy and Beverly Crusher doing this, could you?

1540
01:27:33.359 --> 01:27:35.220
See that's a bit of a shame, isn't it?

1541
01:27:35.880 --> 01:27:37.500
Whoops.

1542
01:27:39.960 --> 01:27:42.359
Oh, you couldn't imagine.

1543
01:27:42.420 --> 01:27:47.579
Oh, there is a line, actually, in covenant in series 7, where um, Asri goes to Kira.

1544
01:27:47.640 --> 01:27:49.920
You know, you'd be a pretty great counsellor.

1545
01:27:49.979 --> 01:27:51.600
And Kira goes, are you kidding me?

1546
01:27:51.659 --> 01:27:52.979
You dreamt about what?

1547
01:27:53.039 --> 01:27:54.300
Get out of my office.

1548
01:27:56.640 --> 01:27:59.880
Now, those are the canceller sessions I want to see.

1549
01:28:01.619 --> 01:28:03.899
Oh, shit in hell.

1550
01:28:03.960 --> 01:28:05.159
Is this where she surrenders?

1551
01:28:05.220 --> 01:28:07.140
No, no, that's right at the end.

1552
01:28:07.199 --> 01:28:08.100
That's right at the end.

1553
01:28:08.159 --> 01:28:09.300
We're still some distance away.

1554
01:28:09.359 --> 01:28:13.199
We're about 15 minutes from the end, but it does look like a great moment, though, isn't it?

1555
01:28:13.260 --> 01:28:14.939
Yeah, she sells this as well.

1556
01:28:15.000 --> 01:28:19.979
And then suddenly we, uh, that's when Cisco appears through the through the wormhole.

1557
01:28:20.039 --> 01:28:23.520
I need a day to make preparations is pretty great.

1558
01:28:23.640 --> 01:28:26.340
No, he goes, oh, just open the airlocks.

1559
01:28:26.399 --> 01:28:27.000
We'll come in.

1560
01:28:27.060 --> 01:28:27.600
You'll be all right.

1561
01:28:27.659 --> 01:28:28.800
You don't understand.

1562
01:28:28.859 --> 01:28:31.140
You broke all the airlocks when you left.

1563
01:28:31.199 --> 01:28:33.000
You have one hour.

1564
01:28:33.060 --> 01:28:35.100
That's really good, isn't it?

1565
01:28:35.159 --> 01:28:35.819
Whoops.

1566
01:28:36.119 --> 01:28:47.640
And you know, he accidentally turned the screen off, but the other line, you said, at the end of that was until I make you scream with deaths of pleasure or something like that, you know.

1567
01:28:47.699 --> 01:28:49.020
Very camp.

1568
01:28:50.699 --> 01:28:52.619
So what are we doing?

1569
01:28:52.680 --> 01:28:58.920
So we're doing lots of space stuff here at this point, but we left Cisco back in his quarters on the Saratoga.

1570
01:28:58.979 --> 01:29:01.739
Well, we need to see them working together, right?

1571
01:29:01.800 --> 01:29:05.520
We need to see how this will be a Star Trek crew solving problems.

1572
01:29:05.579 --> 01:29:14.640
It's a bit of an issue in encounter a far point because everyone just stands around whilst those 2 big jellyfish flow up into the sky and no one really does anything.

1573
01:29:14.699 --> 01:29:20.579
So, and it is a fairly, like, it's a fairly, like, I mean, the jellyfish thing is weird.

1574
01:29:20.699 --> 01:29:21.479
Do you know what I mean?

1575
01:29:21.539 --> 01:29:22.500
And the queue thing is weird.

1576
01:29:22.619 --> 01:29:24.119
Like it's Star Trek being weird.

1577
01:29:24.180 --> 01:29:36.960
Here we are establishing, well, like we've already established a version of Star Trek, which is about sort of space battles between rival empires or whatever, and we've seen that in TNG, and that's worked very well, all that Klingon stuff in particular.

1578
01:29:37.079 --> 01:29:42.119
The Cardassians are introduced to be someone different, but they've been introduced really well.

1579
01:29:42.180 --> 01:29:44.579
We've just had chain of command too, haven't we?

1580
01:29:44.640 --> 01:29:45.960
That sort of beefs them up.

1581
01:29:46.619 --> 01:29:48.479
Oh, here we go.

1582
01:29:48.539 --> 01:29:49.140
Here we go.

1583
01:29:49.199 --> 01:29:51.479
Yeah, so why are you bringing me back?

1584
01:29:51.539 --> 01:29:52.619
Why have you brought me back?

1585
01:29:52.680 --> 01:29:54.300
And this is this is it?

1586
01:29:54.420 --> 01:29:55.859
The moment where we realise.

1587
01:29:56.100 --> 01:30:01.260
Jesus, Nathan, I know what my moment would be if this was happening to me, you know?

1588
01:30:01.319 --> 01:30:04.079
the day my mum went, it would literally be that.

1589
01:30:04.140 --> 01:30:05.279
I would be playing that out.

1590
01:30:05.340 --> 01:30:07.439
I don't know if I ever left that moment, if I'm honest.

1591
01:30:07.500 --> 01:30:09.600
Yeah, well, I don't think you do.

1592
01:30:09.659 --> 01:30:11.399
I don't think people do, you know.

1593
01:30:11.880 --> 01:30:14.520
Look for solutions from within.

1594
01:30:14.579 --> 01:30:16.680
And that's O Parker doing the same thing.

1595
01:30:16.739 --> 01:30:18.060
I think it's really good.

1596
01:30:18.119 --> 01:30:20.100
I think it's really great. look at them.

1597
01:30:20.159 --> 01:30:22.380
And then die.

1598
01:30:22.439 --> 01:30:23.039
What is this?

1599
01:30:23.039 --> 01:30:24.539
and doesn't Jennifer explain it?

1600
01:30:24.779 --> 01:30:32.220
That's a big lot of Star Trek command. explains what death is because she's learnt it from Cisco.

1601
01:30:32.279 --> 01:30:34.680
I was ready to die with her.

1602
01:30:34.739 --> 01:30:36.420
That's a big line, I think.

1603
01:30:36.479 --> 01:30:39.659
And look, she touches him because he's distressed.

1604
01:30:39.720 --> 01:30:50.640
She remembers what he said about touch before, and she's touching his face to explore it, but also because she knows how she she understands what his last year is.

1605
01:30:50.699 --> 01:30:52.199
It's really good.

1606
01:30:52.739 --> 01:30:55.380
The camera swings around on Cisco.

1607
01:30:55.500 --> 01:30:56.100
The scene from the start.

1608
01:30:56.159 --> 01:30:58.439
I think you stand it. really well done.

1609
01:30:58.500 --> 01:30:59.220
It's really good.

1610
01:30:59.279 --> 01:31:00.840
Yeah, I never left this ship.

1611
01:31:00.899 --> 01:31:04.859
And then she says, you exist here.

1612
01:31:04.920 --> 01:31:06.119
It's really good, isn't it?

1613
01:31:06.180 --> 01:31:08.760
It's the tour, I can't discover it together.

1614
01:31:08.819 --> 01:31:10.800
This whole bit now.

1615
01:31:12.060 --> 01:31:15.060
It's when it, it's when it goes over to her body.

1616
01:31:15.060 --> 01:31:17.220
Oh, no, she's decorously presented there.

1617
01:31:17.279 --> 01:31:20.340
But he's so raw in this scene.

1618
01:31:20.399 --> 01:31:24.600
He is an actor that isn't afraid to just let go and do it.

1619
01:31:24.659 --> 01:31:27.840
Yeah, and he's really good here, this name.

1620
01:31:27.840 --> 01:31:30.720
He's got tears streaming down his face by the end of the scene.

1621
01:31:33.779 --> 01:31:34.199
Fuck.

1622
01:31:34.260 --> 01:31:36.359
Every time I close my eyes.

1623
01:31:36.479 --> 01:31:37.260
Yeah.

1624
01:31:37.260 --> 01:31:38.220
Yeah.

1625
01:31:38.279 --> 01:31:42.960
It's um, it just his seconds a moment away from this at any point.

1626
01:31:43.020 --> 01:31:45.180
It's true, you know, it's true.

1627
01:31:45.300 --> 01:31:53.159
Like, I just said about, well, for years afterwards, I saw that moment of her death for years when I was going to bed in the dark.

1628
01:31:53.220 --> 01:31:56.880
Like this stuff is, it is properly profound, I think.

1629
01:31:56.939 --> 01:32:00.899
It is genuinely saying something about traumatic moments in your life.

1630
01:32:00.960 --> 01:32:02.220
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1631
01:32:02.279 --> 01:32:02.640
Yeah.

1632
01:32:02.699 --> 01:32:04.680
Oh, Avery.

1633
01:32:04.800 --> 01:32:09.779
And look at just the compassion on Jennifer's face there too.

1634
01:32:09.840 --> 01:32:11.520
That's the singer.

1635
01:32:11.579 --> 01:32:12.779
It's not linear.

1636
01:32:12.840 --> 01:32:14.880
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's not linear.

1637
01:32:14.939 --> 01:32:16.739
Now, he's really a line.

1638
01:32:16.800 --> 01:32:18.479
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1639
01:32:18.539 --> 01:32:19.140
Yeah.

1640
01:32:19.199 --> 01:32:21.180
Well, it's still Star Trek, you know.

1641
01:32:21.239 --> 01:32:22.020
Yeah, well that's right.

1642
01:32:22.079 --> 01:32:22.439
That's right.

1643
01:32:22.800 --> 01:32:25.680
Oh, and he looks up at oh, Pucker.

1644
01:32:25.739 --> 01:32:35.640
Yeah, again, you know, and because that is Arrow Parker, she said the same thing that O Parker says as well, that is some incredible acting.

1645
01:32:35.699 --> 01:32:37.680
That is great. acting from Avery.

1646
01:32:41.159 --> 01:32:42.840
Yeah, goodness me.

1647
01:32:42.899 --> 01:32:43.439
There we go.

1648
01:32:43.500 --> 01:32:48.119
Yeah, I mean, I don't often get moved watching telly, but he has the ability.

1649
01:32:48.180 --> 01:32:49.680
He does it a couple of times in the run.

1650
01:32:49.800 --> 01:32:52.439
Yeah, like in Far Beyond the Stars.

1651
01:32:52.500 --> 01:32:53.579
Oh, fuck.

1652
01:32:53.699 --> 01:32:54.479
That's worst.

1653
01:32:54.539 --> 01:32:56.159
That's even worse than this.

1654
01:32:56.220 --> 01:32:57.779
I'm a mess watching that.

1655
01:33:00.119 --> 01:33:03.000
Is this what she says, fire the beam.

1656
01:33:03.060 --> 01:33:04.319
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1657
01:33:04.380 --> 01:33:04.859
No, no.

1658
01:33:04.920 --> 01:33:07.619
It's like, is it the 6 torpedoes?

1659
01:33:07.680 --> 01:33:09.840
Like, let's give them our answer.

1660
01:33:09.899 --> 01:33:14.880
Um, five, 6 torpedoes and he says we only have 6 torpedoes.

1661
01:33:14.939 --> 01:33:17.939
We're not going to win this with torpedoes, chief.

1662
01:33:18.000 --> 01:33:21.300
And the smile, that smile is so great.

1663
01:33:21.359 --> 01:33:24.420
It's a well-framed shot and that's a beautifully delivered lady.

1664
01:33:24.479 --> 01:33:25.500
They're built in.

1665
01:33:25.619 --> 01:33:27.060
A crew here.

1666
01:33:27.119 --> 01:33:28.439
I think we need.

1667
01:33:28.560 --> 01:33:34.260
Maybe we need to see that she's going to work together with everyone because she was prickly in the 1st half of the episode.

1668
01:33:34.319 --> 01:33:36.779
Fuck, do you remember when Move Along Home.

1669
01:33:36.840 --> 01:33:39.840
We were just baffled at how aggressive she was in that, weren't we?

1670
01:33:39.899 --> 01:33:40.979
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1671
01:33:41.039 --> 01:33:42.119
Like we'd gone back a step.

1672
01:33:42.180 --> 01:33:44.819
This is not what I signed up for.

1673
01:33:46.439 --> 01:33:48.659
Oh, just side slow.

1674
01:33:48.720 --> 01:33:50.039
Well, come.

1675
01:33:50.100 --> 01:33:51.420
This is your answer.

1676
01:33:51.899 --> 01:33:58.380
But I also like, I also like O'Brien kind of goes, yeah, all right, I'm in.

1677
01:33:58.500 --> 01:34:09.060
I reckon I can give you a plasma burst, like a phaser burst, you know, or I could probably do you another phase of it because he's kind of on board with what she's doing.

1678
01:34:09.239 --> 01:34:13.920
This is such a cheesy light and she sells the fuck out of it.

1679
01:34:14.039 --> 01:34:15.960
It's also a good line.

1680
01:34:16.020 --> 01:34:26.579
Like, it is a cheesy line, but it is also a kind of like, I am not the sort of person that you are used to dealing with because I will behave like I have nothing to lose.

1681
01:34:26.640 --> 01:34:31.500
You know, like, like, I'm not going to be entirely rational here.

1682
01:34:31.560 --> 01:34:34.560
And her journey with the Kardashians.

1683
01:34:34.619 --> 01:34:39.420
That's another great threat for our dance 9 that reaps.

1684
01:34:39.420 --> 01:34:41.520
Yeah, there's astonishing dramatic rewards.

1685
01:34:41.579 --> 01:34:41.819
Yeah.

1686
01:34:42.899 --> 01:34:46.020
The one with Gamore that we did 2nd skin.

1687
01:34:46.079 --> 01:34:48.420
You know, great episodes.

1688
01:34:48.720 --> 01:34:52.680
Yeah, here we go. 4 on sale, Shields and...

1689
01:34:52.739 --> 01:34:53.699
Shadows and stuff.

1690
01:34:53.760 --> 01:35:04.079
And that's what someone says that we have on the ship in, um, in way of the warrior, but it turns out, no, we've just got a fucked on, if I'm, you know, like a little gum.

1691
01:35:04.140 --> 01:35:05.880
I know how you've got a thing for Cardassians.

1692
01:35:05.939 --> 01:35:07.199
I think that one's quite handsome there.

1693
01:35:07.319 --> 01:35:09.000
Look, the one standing in the thing for Kardassian.

1694
01:35:09.060 --> 01:35:10.260
What do I think for Cardassians?

1695
01:35:10.319 --> 01:35:11.939
You do, Casey Beaks?

1696
01:35:12.000 --> 01:35:14.100
You was musting all over him before?

1697
01:35:14.159 --> 01:35:15.840
There's been a few, actually.

1698
01:35:15.899 --> 01:35:17.939
Actually, and a few Gemadars as well.

1699
01:35:18.060 --> 01:35:20.880
There's a couple of hot Klingons, I think.

1700
01:35:20.939 --> 01:35:23.579
No, there was a time with the ball queen too.

1701
01:35:23.640 --> 01:35:24.779
I'm just getting worried.

1702
01:35:24.779 --> 01:35:26.640
She's sexy, but she's not really my type.

1703
01:35:26.640 --> 01:35:27.359
Are you sure?

1704
01:35:27.359 --> 01:35:28.979
But I can see why she's...

1705
01:35:29.039 --> 01:35:30.359
Yeah.

1706
01:35:30.359 --> 01:35:31.680
Yes.

1707
01:35:31.739 --> 01:35:35.220
Not one overall, a corpse of a woman, no.

1708
01:35:36.600 --> 01:35:39.300
Leave it to Fraser Gregory, please.

1709
01:35:40.680 --> 01:35:45.899
Oh, what did what did Bashir say then when she went too late for a victory celebration?

1710
01:35:45.960 --> 01:35:46.739
Is that when he went?

1711
01:35:46.800 --> 01:35:47.159
Yes.

1712
01:35:48.539 --> 01:35:50.699
Oh, they're moving away.

1713
01:35:50.760 --> 01:35:51.239
That's why.

1714
01:35:51.300 --> 01:35:53.100
Yeah, yeah. because they're going to fight.

1715
01:35:53.220 --> 01:35:57.659
And this is the point where he says, I'll give you a, I'll give you a thing.

1716
01:35:57.720 --> 01:36:00.659
The reason why this really affected me when I was younger.

1717
01:36:00.720 --> 01:36:03.600
I was like, my God, the promenade was such a mess earlier.

1718
01:36:03.659 --> 01:36:04.680
They've just cleaned it all up.

1719
01:36:04.739 --> 01:36:06.479
Now it's going to explode again.

1720
01:36:06.720 --> 01:36:08.220
Every week.

1721
01:36:08.279 --> 01:36:14.880
It's a proper explosion where there's huge sheets of metal flying up in the air and everyone...

1722
01:36:14.939 --> 01:36:19.260
And when Odo stops to help that lady.

1723
01:36:19.319 --> 01:36:22.920
The blood on her is really, yeah, yeah, yeah. quite visceral.

1724
01:36:22.979 --> 01:36:27.600
I think all of that just happens to give Julian his hero moment.

1725
01:36:27.659 --> 01:36:32.399
And so we get to see him being the competent doctor that he claims he is with Kira.

1726
01:36:32.460 --> 01:36:35.100
You know, we need to see him do a doctory thing.

1727
01:36:35.159 --> 01:36:36.600
And so that's why we have this attack.

1728
01:36:36.659 --> 01:36:39.060
Oh my god, look, the ceiling's falling down.

1729
01:36:39.119 --> 01:36:40.140
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1730
01:36:40.140 --> 01:36:41.460
That guy.

1731
01:36:41.520 --> 01:36:42.960
Oh, no.

1732
01:36:42.960 --> 01:36:45.960
Eddie Rocks?

1733
01:36:46.020 --> 01:36:47.100
Lamp exploded.

1734
01:36:47.159 --> 01:36:49.380
No, that guy flew across the thing, though.

1735
01:36:49.500 --> 01:36:52.500
Oh, it's just like the fella falling off the promenade in Way of the Warrior.

1736
01:36:52.560 --> 01:36:53.159
Oh, look at that.

1737
01:36:53.340 --> 01:36:56.279
I think that there's some of those explosions.

1738
01:36:56.340 --> 01:37:05.340
One of the things about watching this was for years and years, the Star Trek videos had the trailer for this, remember, at the beginning of them?

1739
01:37:05.399 --> 01:37:22.140
Uh, and you would see like Odo uh, reforming from being a bag and you would see, uh, you know, you would see the hero moment with Avery appearing in the in the lift or whatever, um, and you would see the explosions on the promenade, you know.

1740
01:37:22.260 --> 01:37:23.399
It's really excited every week.

1741
01:37:23.460 --> 01:37:24.060
We promise.

1742
01:37:24.119 --> 01:37:28.739
This is quite simply the journey you are always destined to take commander.

1743
01:37:28.800 --> 01:37:29.279
You know that?

1744
01:37:29.340 --> 01:37:30.239
Was that in there?

1745
01:37:30.300 --> 01:37:31.800
Oh, yeah, yeah, of course it was.

1746
01:37:31.859 --> 01:37:37.560
I remember there's Avery going, you don't know what you're missing. in one of them.

1747
01:37:39.359 --> 01:37:41.279
Oh, I love as well.

1748
01:37:41.340 --> 01:37:46.140
Odo, who's been so gruff and dismissive now is terrified that he's got to administer 1st aid.

1749
01:37:46.199 --> 01:37:47.939
That's good too, isn't it?

1750
01:37:48.000 --> 01:37:55.020
And again, he's more competent and more on top of things than Odo is in this situation, which is really good.

1751
01:37:55.020 --> 01:38:00.359
And of course, Odo being uncomfortable with situations is a thing that happens quite a lot, you know, going forward.

1752
01:38:00.479 --> 01:38:03.300
O'Brien and the pet and climbing out.

1753
01:38:03.359 --> 01:38:07.079
Like it's simple, but it's more interesting than looking at that bridge set.

1754
01:38:07.140 --> 01:38:08.220
Yeah, absolutely.

1755
01:38:09.420 --> 01:38:17.100
And, you know, they do manage some dynamism in Voyagers Bridge set, but it is effectively the same layout, just better lit, right?

1756
01:38:17.159 --> 01:38:18.000
There she is.

1757
01:38:18.060 --> 01:38:19.319
She's about to surrender.

1758
01:38:19.380 --> 01:38:24.420
You saw her collecting herself and looking down and breathing in and stuff and then Dax interrupts.

1759
01:38:24.479 --> 01:38:26.760
A huge neutrino disturbance.

1760
01:38:26.819 --> 01:38:28.380
Yeah, well we know what that means.

1761
01:38:28.439 --> 01:38:31.439
Couldn't have just gone, what the fuck does that mean?

1762
01:38:31.500 --> 01:38:32.640
No, she knows.

1763
01:38:35.340 --> 01:38:38.340
Hail, the lead sheep and get out.

1764
01:38:38.399 --> 01:38:39.600
Yeah, now she's winning.

1765
01:38:41.279 --> 01:38:43.439
Smock is awesome.

1766
01:38:43.500 --> 01:38:45.840
That's a great show.

1767
01:38:45.899 --> 01:38:50.640
It's not quite as good as that bit in Shadows and Simples, though. when the wormhole appeared there?

1768
01:38:50.699 --> 01:38:51.960
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1769
01:38:52.140 --> 01:39:00.300
And she said, right, signal all the ships. we're staying in the blockade we're not backing down She is cool as hell, Shakira.

1770
01:39:00.359 --> 01:39:01.020
This is wonderful.

1771
01:39:01.079 --> 01:39:02.279
Just superb.

1772
01:39:02.340 --> 01:39:05.880
Oh, no, but we looks very relaxing. doesn't he, Avery?

1773
01:39:05.939 --> 01:39:06.960
He's very chill.

1774
01:39:07.020 --> 01:39:09.479
He's at all of my personal issues.

1775
01:39:09.539 --> 01:39:10.560
Yes exactly.

1776
01:39:10.619 --> 01:39:12.119
What's that?

1777
01:39:12.119 --> 01:39:13.979
Tell Counsellor Troy she's out of a job.

1778
01:39:14.039 --> 01:39:15.840
Everyone's going to the profits now.

1779
01:39:15.899 --> 01:39:16.979
That's right.

1780
01:39:17.399 --> 01:39:20.159
She's been replaced by a wormhole.

1781
01:39:20.220 --> 01:39:22.619
Yeah, this, like this shot, I think.

1782
01:39:22.680 --> 01:39:24.119
Oh, those doors.

1783
01:39:24.180 --> 01:39:26.039
That was one of the best movies as well.

1784
01:39:26.100 --> 01:39:27.659
So chunky.

1785
01:39:27.720 --> 01:39:28.619
Yeah, they're awesome.

1786
01:39:30.060 --> 01:39:33.420
Oh, man, there's been a lot happening in this, hasn't there?

1787
01:39:33.479 --> 01:39:35.460
It really has, but it is very simple.

1788
01:39:35.520 --> 01:39:36.779
It's super straightforward.

1789
01:39:36.840 --> 01:39:40.020
This moment where he sees Drake is so good.

1790
01:39:40.140 --> 01:39:42.359
It's the Avery smile again.

1791
01:39:42.420 --> 01:39:43.560
Dad.

1792
01:39:43.560 --> 01:39:47.039
And we see Siri smiling as well.

1793
01:39:47.100 --> 01:39:50.039
It's really sweet Oh, no facilities.

1794
01:39:50.100 --> 01:39:50.520
There we go.

1795
01:39:50.579 --> 01:39:51.420
We've done all right this time.

1796
01:39:51.479 --> 01:39:53.220
Yeah, we're all right. 13 casualty.

1797
01:39:53.279 --> 01:39:57.600
Look, and that smiles broader. like there's been few of them.

1798
01:39:57.659 --> 01:40:10.199
He smiled at Jennifer, but he smiles at Jake the way he was smiling at Jennifer before. look at that I mean, as much as we love Henny Johnson Gerald, this is the love affair of Duke Space Norway, isn't it?

1799
01:40:10.260 --> 01:40:11.819
Still one of the things.

1800
01:40:11.819 --> 01:40:16.380
And that was what they honed in on in Starfleet Academy.

1801
01:40:16.380 --> 01:40:17.159
Starfleet Academy.

1802
01:40:17.220 --> 01:40:18.060
Yeah, absolutely.

1803
01:40:18.119 --> 01:40:19.260
So beautiful, that was.

1804
01:40:19.380 --> 01:40:20.460
So wonderful.

1805
01:40:20.520 --> 01:40:23.340
When I heard his voice at the end in that voiceover.

1806
01:40:23.399 --> 01:40:24.899
I had goodies.

1807
01:40:24.960 --> 01:40:25.800
It was terrific.

1808
01:40:25.920 --> 01:40:26.939
So good.

1809
01:40:27.000 --> 01:40:28.920
Oh, here's that weird scene now.

1810
01:40:28.979 --> 01:40:29.760
Yeah, yeah.

1811
01:40:29.819 --> 01:40:33.720
Now suddenly, suddenly, Avery's on the back foot.

1812
01:40:33.779 --> 01:40:36.359
Suddenly, Cisco's on the back foot and he's apologetic.

1813
01:40:36.420 --> 01:40:37.800
Oh, please, Captain Picard.

1814
01:40:37.859 --> 01:40:38.880
Can I stay, please?

1815
01:40:38.939 --> 01:40:40.739
Yeah, I just think why are we doing that?

1816
01:40:40.800 --> 01:40:41.579
not sure, you know?

1817
01:40:41.640 --> 01:40:45.119
He won't quite rude to me earlier. yeah that's exactly it.

1818
01:40:45.239 --> 01:40:46.560
I'm Captain Picard.

1819
01:40:46.619 --> 01:40:47.579
Do you know who I am?

1820
01:40:47.640 --> 01:40:49.979
I've taken down Admiral Satay.

1821
01:40:50.640 --> 01:40:53.039
You give me respect from me off.

1822
01:40:55.079 --> 01:40:56.579
Exactly.

1823
01:40:58.020 --> 01:41:01.260
Get out of it, Picard. not needed here anymore.

1824
01:41:01.319 --> 01:41:02.340
Yeah, you're not.

1825
01:41:02.399 --> 01:41:04.199
But we've got our fabulous new crew.

1826
01:41:04.260 --> 01:41:11.279
Look how the direction works when he leaves because we don't get a good buy moment from him.

1827
01:41:11.340 --> 01:41:15.779
He takes over the scene, even though he's a little bit apologetic.

1828
01:41:15.840 --> 01:41:19.380
Um, so there he is.

1829
01:41:19.439 --> 01:41:20.399
He strides up to him.

1830
01:41:20.460 --> 01:41:21.840
He shakes his hand.

1831
01:41:21.899 --> 01:41:22.920
We never see him again.

1832
01:41:22.979 --> 01:41:31.140
Then we go up to Avery, and he says, good luck, Mr. Cisco, but then he's off camera, and then we see his back. as he goes away.

1833
01:41:31.199 --> 01:41:33.539
So after he shakes hands with Cisco.

1834
01:41:33.600 --> 01:41:43.380
We never see his face again, and he just walks out of the scene without saying goodbye, and now Cisco is in a weak shot of beautiful Avery, and we're like, yeah, we're in good hands.

1835
01:41:43.439 --> 01:41:52.859
And then this scene, which is just everyone walking through the mall, isn't it, like having chats and stuff, doing little moments, the community.

1836
01:41:52.920 --> 01:41:58.979
This line, if you don't take your hand off my thigh, you will never raise a glass of that again.

1837
01:41:59.039 --> 01:42:02.520
Well, Grillka does that to him too, doesn't it, doesn't she?

1838
01:42:02.819 --> 01:42:04.920
What's her line?

1839
01:42:04.979 --> 01:42:07.199
You don't take your hand off my thigh.

1840
01:42:07.560 --> 01:42:11.520
Oh, I can't remember the full line. similar something like it is.

1841
01:42:11.699 --> 01:42:14.699
Oh, I love a woman in uniform.

1842
01:42:15.479 --> 01:42:17.039
So great.

1843
01:42:17.159 --> 01:42:20.579
He still manages to be sleazy and undefeated.

1844
01:42:20.640 --> 01:42:21.779
Of course, of course.

1845
01:42:21.899 --> 01:42:26.159
And now look, look at the hub of activity on the promenade. everyone's coming in and out.

1846
01:42:26.220 --> 01:42:27.960
It's all been cleaned up.

1847
01:42:28.020 --> 01:42:29.520
It all looks very nice.

1848
01:42:29.579 --> 01:42:32.039
But again, we've said it a 1000000 times.

1849
01:42:32.100 --> 01:42:34.020
The promenade, what a great move that was.

1850
01:42:34.079 --> 01:42:37.199
Just to where we started from.

1851
01:42:37.739 --> 01:42:39.779
Oh, fabulous.

1852
01:42:39.840 --> 01:42:41.039
And then we all...

1853
01:42:41.039 --> 01:42:41.760
That's all they built.

1854
01:42:41.819 --> 01:42:42.899
It's just that sort of side there.

1855
01:42:42.960 --> 01:42:44.819
You haven't got the shops on the other side, yeah.

1856
01:42:44.880 --> 01:42:45.960
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1857
01:42:46.020 --> 01:42:47.819
And the top floor of Quark's bar.

1858
01:42:47.880 --> 01:42:49.859
Ah, da, da, da, da.

1859
01:42:49.920 --> 01:42:51.420
So exciting.

1860
01:42:51.479 --> 01:42:55.560
And here come a couple of ships, obviously, to give us a new adventure.

1861
01:42:55.619 --> 01:42:56.819
Oh, yeah, yeah.

1862
01:42:56.880 --> 01:42:57.779
But we heard about them.

1863
01:42:57.840 --> 01:43:01.079
They were the ships that we were talking about in dialogue before.

1864
01:43:01.140 --> 01:43:02.699
Yeah, seem like...

1865
01:43:02.699 --> 01:43:04.079
Is like is Ferengi Pitboss.

1866
01:43:04.140 --> 01:43:05.939
So he's like...

1867
01:43:06.060 --> 01:43:07.680
No, no, we did say something.

1868
01:43:07.739 --> 01:43:08.279
It was something.

1869
01:43:08.340 --> 01:43:12.779
It was the guys and because all of the airlocks were broken, they were all going to have to beam on board.

1870
01:43:12.840 --> 01:43:13.979
Oh, boy.

1871
01:43:14.039 --> 01:43:15.479
And there's a bit of that in season one.

1872
01:43:15.539 --> 01:43:18.060
Do you know how long I've been waiting to come on your station?

1873
01:43:19.619 --> 01:43:25.739
I do like the fact it takes a little while for them to sort it all out, you know. feels like an achievement when we get there.

1874
01:43:25.800 --> 01:43:26.939
Yeah, yeah.

1875
01:43:27.000 --> 01:43:29.460
Oh, no, I think I mean, this was really great.

1876
01:43:29.520 --> 01:43:31.079
It's super accomplished, I think.

1877
01:43:31.140 --> 01:43:39.779
And clearly an improvement on whatever the hell they thought they were doing an encounter at Farpoint, which has its own charms, I guess.

1878
01:43:39.840 --> 01:43:44.579
It was literally 2 scripts that had been blended into one, wasn't it?

1879
01:43:44.640 --> 01:43:46.859
The Q script and the FarPoint script.

1880
01:43:46.979 --> 01:43:53.279
And literally the Q strip sort of ends at the end of part one and then we're encounter a far point for part two.

1881
01:43:53.340 --> 01:43:54.180
It's weird.

1882
01:43:54.239 --> 01:43:55.199
It is weird.

1883
01:43:55.260 --> 01:44:01.800
But it has the job of introducing the 24th century tours, whereas this has some stuff I can rely on, I think.

1884
01:44:01.859 --> 01:44:03.180
I don't know.

1885
01:44:03.239 --> 01:44:10.140
I just think this is really properly good, super entertaining and, you know, confident and fun.

1886
01:44:10.260 --> 01:44:15.720
I think it promises more interesting characters and relationships.

1887
01:44:15.779 --> 01:44:22.260
It promises to be a darker look at Star Trek, and it promises to have consequences, right?

1888
01:44:22.319 --> 01:44:26.939
And it delivers on all of those things in that 1st season there in various ways.

1889
01:44:27.000 --> 01:44:38.939
The one thing it promises and doesn't deliver in season one is to be a visually spectacular show because we do have a lot of, I mean, there's a courtroom episode, you know, move along home.

1890
01:44:39.000 --> 01:44:42.239
I mean, it had some visuals in it, but they weren't that great, were they?

1891
01:44:42.239 --> 01:44:43.560
Yeah, that's true.

1892
01:44:43.680 --> 01:44:45.899
Actually, I did want to ask you this question.

1893
01:44:45.960 --> 01:44:47.760
I was gonna ask you at the start, but we're at the end.

1894
01:44:48.060 --> 01:44:54.359
What's British television considered quite prestige over in America at this point?

1895
01:44:54.420 --> 01:44:57.180
Because David Carson directs this?

1896
01:44:57.239 --> 01:44:59.880
They dragged him over from Britain to directing.

1897
01:44:59.939 --> 01:45:03.479
I gave him $18000000 It's a bit like the Doctor Who TV movie.

1898
01:45:03.600 --> 01:45:12.000
They found some sort of middling English director and said, come, spend all this money and create a new Star Trek show for us.

1899
01:45:12.119 --> 01:45:14.760
And so is this David Carson's 1st Star Trek?

1900
01:45:14.819 --> 01:45:15.479
No.

1901
01:45:15.539 --> 01:45:17.640
His 1st was yesterday's enterprise.

1902
01:45:17.699 --> 01:45:19.020
Ah, yes, okay.

1903
01:45:19.079 --> 01:45:23.100
And I think they thought, well, he created a very dark Star Trek for us before.

1904
01:45:23.159 --> 01:45:24.239
Maybe he could do it again.

1905
01:45:24.300 --> 01:45:26.279
And who directs generations?

1906
01:45:26.340 --> 01:45:29.340
That's David Castle. that's what I thought.

1907
01:45:29.399 --> 01:45:30.000
That's what I thought.

1908
01:45:30.119 --> 01:45:31.439
He went, my God.

1909
01:45:31.500 --> 01:45:33.000
I can actually light scenes.

1910
01:45:33.060 --> 01:45:34.680
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1911
01:45:34.739 --> 01:45:35.760
Yeah, it's pretty good.

1912
01:45:35.819 --> 01:45:37.920
Well, he does that in yesterday's Enterprise.

1913
01:45:37.979 --> 01:45:38.279
Remember?

1914
01:45:38.340 --> 01:45:46.979
We said that, you know, it's a parallel universe or an aborted timeline where the enterprise was interestingly lit or sometimes ludicrously lit.

1915
01:45:47.039 --> 01:45:49.920
Do you know his only other episode, Nathan, that he directs?

1916
01:45:49.979 --> 01:45:57.000
So if you think of that, though, yesterday's Enterprise, emissary, generation's the 1st movie, and the 4th one is?

1917
01:45:57.000 --> 01:45:58.199
Is it Accession?

1918
01:45:58.260 --> 01:45:59.460
No.

1919
01:45:59.520 --> 01:46:01.020
A la Marine.

1920
01:46:01.079 --> 01:46:03.060
We count 2 points.

1921
01:46:03.960 --> 01:46:06.600
I mean, he got a full house, didn't he?

1922
01:46:06.659 --> 01:46:07.500
Yeah that's true.

1923
01:46:07.560 --> 01:46:08.880
They need something.

1924
01:46:08.939 --> 01:46:09.899
Holy crap.

1925
01:46:09.960 --> 01:46:11.760
Baffling episode, that was.

1926
01:46:12.899 --> 01:46:13.680
Started so well.

1927
01:46:13.979 --> 01:46:17.159
But this did start well, I think.

1928
01:46:17.460 --> 01:46:26.520
And do you remember I had a massive rant when we talked about Voyager for the 1st time, about all of that promise in caretaker.

1929
01:46:26.520 --> 01:46:36.840
And, you know, oh, my God, the tension with the marquee, their interesting relationships, you know, parish and chakotay fighting, and lost in a regional space, uniting the factions.

1930
01:46:36.899 --> 01:46:38.579
I forgot all about all of it.

1931
01:46:38.640 --> 01:46:40.020
Episode 3, maybe?

1932
01:46:40.079 --> 01:46:42.420
We go back to it once a year and the ratings are low.

1933
01:46:42.479 --> 01:46:45.300
No, we never leave the station, do it?

1934
01:46:45.359 --> 01:46:49.020
And all of the stuff, all the characters here go on interesting journeys.

1935
01:46:49.079 --> 01:46:51.479
They take all of the concepts here and develop them all.

1936
01:46:51.600 --> 01:46:53.520
It's a good show.

1937
01:46:53.579 --> 01:46:54.359
It's a great show.

1938
01:46:54.600 --> 01:46:58.380
But, but Pillar did all of the legwork here.

1939
01:46:58.439 --> 01:47:01.140
Oh yeah, it's really strong and you can kind of tell.

1940
01:47:01.199 --> 01:47:12.779
And, you know, he's the person who creates Star Trek the Next Generation in its final form in lots of ways by centring the characters, making each episode happen to a person or a couple of people.

1941
01:47:12.779 --> 01:47:16.140
And, and we're really leaning into it here.

1942
01:47:16.199 --> 01:47:25.140
We're building a set of characters for whom that works with very well and who all offer a lot of opportunities for that to happen in lots of ways, I think.

1943
01:47:25.199 --> 01:47:29.039
And so I don't think we can underestimate, you know, his contribution.

1944
01:47:29.159 --> 01:47:32.640
Well, that was a triumphant pilot there, Nathan.

1945
01:47:32.699 --> 01:47:33.779
I can't wait till we do another.

1946
01:47:33.840 --> 01:47:36.180
I'm sure they'll all be spectacular successes like that.

1947
01:47:36.239 --> 01:47:37.260
I'm sure they will.

1948
01:47:44.039 --> 01:47:48.840
All right, it's the end of the episode and it's time for us to work out where we're going next.

1949
01:47:48.899 --> 01:47:59.460
We have had an incredible run of amazing 90s trek episodes over our last few episodes, and so it's time for me to put a stop to that.

1950
01:47:59.460 --> 01:48:01.619
I know what you're going to do.

1951
01:48:01.680 --> 01:48:05.699
An episode of Star Trek Enterprise.

1952
01:48:05.939 --> 01:48:07.140
Oh boy.

1953
01:48:08.880 --> 01:48:10.560
I'm ready.

1954
01:48:10.619 --> 01:48:11.579
No, do you know what?

1955
01:48:11.640 --> 01:48:15.659
I've been justly convinced that 90s Trek had some value now.

1956
01:48:15.720 --> 01:48:21.479
So let's let's go to the dying days of each trek and see what's happened.

1957
01:48:21.539 --> 01:48:30.720
Now, of course, with our new randomiser, I can choose any series, but I'm just going to leave all of them open, I think.

1958
01:48:30.779 --> 01:48:32.880
Oh, you should have done one and two.

1959
01:48:32.939 --> 01:48:34.859
We've had so much free and four.

1960
01:48:34.920 --> 01:48:36.180
All right, let's do one and two.

1961
01:48:36.300 --> 01:48:37.979
I'll turn...

1962
01:48:38.039 --> 01:48:39.899
It'll be genuinely ghostly as well.

1963
01:48:40.199 --> 01:48:42.180
Okay, here goes.

1964
01:48:42.239 --> 01:48:43.260
I'm pushing the button.

1965
01:48:43.739 --> 01:48:45.779
It's one we've done.

1966
01:48:45.840 --> 01:48:54.479
In fact, it's season one, episode four, Strange New World, the 1st episode of Star Trek Enterprise.

1967
01:48:54.539 --> 01:48:57.840
Jama gives it a bim plus half a style.

1968
01:48:57.899 --> 01:48:58.560
Yeah.

1969
01:48:58.619 --> 01:49:00.359
No accounting for tastes.

1970
01:49:00.420 --> 01:49:02.220
All right, here goes.

1971
01:49:03.000 --> 01:49:05.279
Season one, episode 11.

1972
01:49:05.520 --> 01:49:07.079
I'm sure we've rolled this before.

1973
01:49:07.140 --> 01:49:08.880
A cold front.

1974
01:49:08.939 --> 01:49:10.500
Cold front.

1975
01:49:10.560 --> 01:49:14.159
I've Enterprise Place host to visitors on a religious retreat.

1976
01:49:14.220 --> 01:49:14.939
Uh-oh.

1977
01:49:15.000 --> 01:49:22.859
Archer is made aware of a Sulaban intruder, who may be part of a conspiracy waged from centuries in the future.

1978
01:49:22.920 --> 01:49:26.760
That sounds like they're coming together of 2 very boring things, doesn't it?

1979
01:49:26.819 --> 01:49:27.840
It does, doesn't it?

1980
01:49:27.899 --> 01:49:28.500
It does.

1981
01:49:28.560 --> 01:49:33.239
Well, I'm not bored rolling yet, and I haven't had a go for a while, so I'm going to do it again.

1982
01:49:33.300 --> 01:49:36.600
There's one I really want you to roll, so I'm hoping it comes off.

1983
01:49:36.659 --> 01:49:38.220
All right, here goes.

1984
01:49:38.340 --> 01:49:41.220
It's the only one that Jama gives 0 styles too.

1985
01:49:41.340 --> 01:49:43.020
So it'll probably be great.

1986
01:49:43.079 --> 01:49:44.579
What about this?

1987
01:49:44.640 --> 01:49:47.220
Dead Stop, season two, episode four.

1988
01:49:47.399 --> 01:49:49.619
Season two, episode four.

1989
01:49:49.680 --> 01:49:52.439
Crippled with severe damage done having few options.

1990
01:49:52.560 --> 01:49:55.500
The Enterprise docks automatic repair station.

1991
01:49:55.560 --> 01:50:00.899
I like this one, and it's a sequel to the previous week's one, which was...

1992
01:50:00.899 --> 01:50:02.939
Boring minefield that we did. you remember?

1993
01:50:03.420 --> 01:50:04.619
It's a sequel to minefield.

1994
01:50:04.680 --> 01:50:06.239
Travis, was it Travis?

1995
01:50:06.300 --> 01:50:09.720
Reed being very awkward with Captain Archer.

1996
01:50:09.779 --> 01:50:10.439
Yeah, yeah.

1997
01:50:10.500 --> 01:50:11.460
It was a very boring episode.

1998
01:50:11.520 --> 01:50:15.300
This is a weird one where it's, there's no people.

1999
01:50:15.359 --> 01:50:19.800
It's automated and it goes wrong and starts attacking them.

2000
01:50:19.859 --> 01:50:21.119
This automated station.

2001
01:50:21.180 --> 01:50:22.979
It's pretty good, I seem to remember.

2002
01:50:23.039 --> 01:50:26.579
I'm actually tempted to give it a go because you did talk about it.

2003
01:50:26.640 --> 01:50:30.840
I think we talked about it at the time And we have had that thing.

2004
01:50:30.899 --> 01:50:38.579
I think maybe in series three, there's a point where they're kind of really brutally slammed and then they have to go for repairs, you know.

2005
01:50:38.640 --> 01:50:41.340
So, and they are quite beaten up, aren't they?

2006
01:50:41.399 --> 01:50:45.300
Minefield is their 1st encounter with the Romulans without them realising it.

2007
01:50:45.420 --> 01:50:50.399
There's a weird, um, almost, this is a very obscure reference.

2008
01:50:50.460 --> 01:50:53.279
Sapphire and steel type atmosphere to this one.

2009
01:50:53.340 --> 01:51:00.899
Because there's no people around, it's sort of eerily quiet in places, and then suddenly it comes to life.

2010
01:51:00.960 --> 01:51:05.640
I remember a big grabby arm comes out of it and grabs hold of the enterprise at one point.

2011
01:51:05.699 --> 01:51:07.199
It's not bad, actually.

2012
01:51:07.260 --> 01:51:07.739
Yeah.

2013
01:51:07.800 --> 01:51:16.680
I wonder who writes that one Uh oh, it's Mike Sussman and Phyllis Strong, but directed by our Roxanne Dawson.

2014
01:51:16.739 --> 01:51:17.579
Oh, okay.

2015
01:51:17.640 --> 01:51:18.180
We love her.

2016
01:51:18.239 --> 01:51:19.739
All right, I reckon we do that one.

2017
01:51:19.800 --> 01:51:20.159
Why not?

2018
01:51:20.220 --> 01:51:21.000
We may as well.

2019
01:51:21.060 --> 01:51:21.779
That sounds like fun.

2020
01:51:21.840 --> 01:51:22.619
I'm up for it.

2021
01:51:22.680 --> 01:51:24.180
Gemma says good continuity.

2022
01:51:24.239 --> 01:51:26.460
Plentiful sci-fi weirdness. intriguing.

2023
01:51:27.000 --> 01:51:28.380
Okay.

2024
01:51:28.439 --> 01:51:30.479
Does he give it how many bends?

2025
01:51:31.560 --> 01:51:33.180
Does he give it?

2026
01:51:33.239 --> 01:51:35.039
It's a better than half a star.

2027
01:51:35.100 --> 01:51:35.460
Yeah, three.

2028
01:51:35.520 --> 01:51:36.119
Okay.

2029
01:51:36.180 --> 01:51:37.260
A Ben and a bit.

2030
01:51:37.319 --> 01:51:42.300
So it's as good as Strangely World. that's right Oh, bloody open off.

2031
01:51:42.359 --> 01:51:43.140
Jesus.

2032
01:51:51.359 --> 01:52:02.159
You've been listening to entitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford and Nathan Bottomley, where online at untitled Star Trek Project.com, where you can find subscription links and links to our social media accounts.

2033
01:52:02.279 --> 01:52:07.739
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Ciceran, and the theme was composed by Cameron Lamb.

2034
01:52:07.800 --> 01:52:13.500
This episode was recorded on the 19th of May 2026 and released on the 22nd of May.

2035
01:52:13.560 --> 01:52:17.399
And we'll see you next time for Star Trek Enterprise, Dead Stop.

2036
01:52:34.140 --> 01:52:41.399
Have you played with the, have you played with the, um, the interactive transcript on the website?

2037
01:52:41.460 --> 01:52:43.260
I haven't.

2038
01:52:43.380 --> 01:52:44.520
Did you send me a link for it?

2039
01:52:44.579 --> 01:52:45.180
Hang on.

2040
01:52:45.180 --> 01:52:46.079
Just go to the website.

2041
01:52:47.159 --> 01:52:51.720
Oh, no, it's just got to list every stupid thing I've ever said on this.

2042
01:52:51.779 --> 01:52:54.000
Oh, it's actionable, too.

2043
01:52:54.060 --> 01:52:56.579
It's not easily searchable yet, but it'll get there.

2044
01:52:56.640 --> 01:52:57.779
Your bit's gone.

2045
01:52:57.840 --> 01:52:58.739
We just highlight your bits.

2046
01:52:58.800 --> 01:53:00.239
No, tell to tell.

2047
01:53:00.300 --> 01:53:00.840
I can't tell.

2048
01:53:00.899 --> 01:53:02.159
There you go.

2049
01:53:05.220 --> 01:53:07.500
Oh my god, it's going to be so refreshing.

2050
01:53:07.560 --> 01:53:11.579
Okay, so click on the 1st duty, so you're on just the 1st duties page.

2051
01:53:11.640 --> 01:53:14.520
And then scroll down. download.

2052
01:53:14.579 --> 01:53:15.539
So that's the episode, yeah?

2053
01:53:15.779 --> 01:53:17.819
down under that?

2054
01:53:19.079 --> 01:53:20.880
under the episode.

2055
01:53:20.939 --> 01:53:21.600
Yeah.

2056
01:53:21.659 --> 01:53:23.340
Does it say transcript?

2057
01:53:23.399 --> 01:53:27.239
Oh, sorry, I need to click on the actual...

2058
01:53:27.300 --> 01:53:28.560
On the word transcript.

2059
01:53:28.680 --> 01:53:29.279
Oh, my God.

2060
01:53:29.279 --> 01:53:30.960
I just keep scrolling.

2061
01:53:31.020 --> 01:53:33.119
It's the whole page. of everything that we said.

2062
01:53:33.720 --> 01:53:35.760
Oh, Christ.

2063
01:53:35.819 --> 01:53:36.779
Oh, do you know what?

2064
01:53:36.840 --> 01:53:37.319
This could be fun.

2065
01:53:37.380 --> 01:53:39.180
I could take out selected quotes.

2066
01:53:39.180 --> 01:53:41.159
You click on a word. have a listen.

2067
01:53:41.220 --> 01:53:44.939
Click on a word and it will start playing that word in the audio.

2068
01:53:45.359 --> 01:53:47.640
You're joking.

2069
01:53:47.699 --> 01:53:48.899
Come on.

2070
01:53:48.960 --> 01:53:50.220
Hang on.

2071
01:53:50.279 --> 01:53:53.760
Okay, I'm going to go into trials and tribulation because that was a great fun episode.

2072
01:53:53.819 --> 01:53:54.359
Hang up.

2073
01:53:55.079 --> 01:53:57.300
Well, click on any word.

2074
01:53:57.359 --> 01:53:58.140
Yeah.

2075
01:53:58.199 --> 01:53:59.340
I'll click on the line.

2076
01:53:59.399 --> 01:54:01.560
Yeah, click on the line and it'll play it.

2077
01:54:06.239 --> 01:54:09.479
It's just jumping every time I click here.

2078
01:54:09.539 --> 01:54:09.899
Yeah.

2079
01:54:11.520 --> 01:54:14.819
And it lights up as it says the word as well.

2080
01:54:14.880 --> 01:54:16.920
The part that's been...

2081
01:54:16.979 --> 01:54:18.000
Yeah, yeah, it is.

2082
01:54:18.060 --> 01:54:19.199
And what I'll offer over it.

2083
01:54:19.260 --> 01:54:21.119
Um, is it...

2084
01:54:21.119 --> 01:54:25.380
Is it like a thing that...

2085
01:54:25.380 --> 01:54:28.140
Um, deaf people use in transcript.

2086
01:54:28.199 --> 01:54:28.739
I don't know.

2087
01:54:28.800 --> 01:54:31.859
Yeah, because, I mean, it's in it's in Apple, it's in Overcast.

2088
01:54:31.920 --> 01:54:32.640
He is overcast.

2089
01:54:32.699 --> 01:54:37.859
It has transcripts now and Apple Podcasts have transcripts and so deaf people can use it so they can access podcasts.

2090
01:54:37.920 --> 01:54:39.659
It doesn't do speaker identification.

2091
01:54:39.720 --> 01:54:41.760
But what it does is.

2092
01:54:41.880 --> 01:54:42.600
It's really clear.

2093
01:54:42.659 --> 01:54:44.159
I mean, like the font is great.

2094
01:54:44.220 --> 01:54:46.500
Working on. yeah, yeah, yeah.

2095
01:54:46.560 --> 01:55:02.819
I like I'm working on it because the next thing is making it searchable so that I'll have a search page, you can type, and I looked up BoMar, it doesn't always spell Beaumar correctly, but the search, it's still fine, so, and...

2096
01:55:02.880 --> 01:55:03.300
Look at this.

2097
01:55:03.359 --> 01:55:05.819
No, trouble triples.

2098
01:55:05.880 --> 01:55:06.479
Oh, God.

2099
01:55:06.539 --> 01:55:07.560
Well, we'll do that again.

2100
01:55:07.619 --> 01:55:08.399
Oh, certainly.

2101
01:55:08.460 --> 01:55:09.600
Here's the lilac line.

2102
01:55:09.659 --> 01:55:10.380
Oh, so funny.

2103
01:55:10.439 --> 01:55:12.420
Who's the O person?

2104
01:55:12.479 --> 01:55:13.680
I think that's you, you know.

2105
01:55:17.399 --> 01:55:20.399
I bet you bloody does that was me.

2106
01:55:20.460 --> 01:55:22.439
Is that good, though?

2107
01:55:22.500 --> 01:55:23.220
Is that great?

2108
01:55:23.279 --> 01:55:24.420
I so happy with it.

2109
01:55:24.479 --> 01:55:25.680
Oh my god.

2110
01:55:25.739 --> 01:55:29.939
I just think it's so it's so beautifully laid out though, isn't it?

2111
01:55:30.000 --> 01:55:34.079
Like, I mean, you'd think that would be a chore to read a transfer of a podcast.

2112
01:55:34.140 --> 01:55:39.239
But because it's line, line, line, hang on, I'm noticing, oh, it's you.

2113
01:55:39.300 --> 01:55:44.220
Yeah, let's see, you do the more substantial lines, and then I'm just coming in with being...

2114
01:55:44.220 --> 01:55:49.439
Oh, it will get the odd thing wrong though, right?

2115
01:55:49.500 --> 01:55:50.579
Oh yeah, yeah, it does.

2116
01:55:50.640 --> 01:55:51.960
It's not a Duke space nine.

2117
01:55:52.079 --> 01:55:54.600
No, I know, it does some odd things.

2118
01:55:54.659 --> 01:55:55.500
It does some odd things.

2119
01:55:55.560 --> 01:56:08.100
And like, um, what I'm just thinking is that the transcriber thing will get better and better as time goes by, and so every so often I'll just transcribe all the episodes again, because it took me like 2 hours to describe.

2120
01:56:08.159 --> 01:56:15.420
Because remember it's 9.5 hours, 9.5 days of podcasts. program you run and it literally just does all of them.

2121
01:56:15.479 --> 01:56:18.899
Well, I, so a program that I ran that I wrote.

2122
01:56:18.960 --> 01:56:32.760
So there's a program that does a transcribing, but then I wrote a script that goes through the all of the episodes and turns of into transcripts, and then I wrote the stuff that puts it on the web page and wired it up to the player and all of that so that it does that.

2123
01:56:32.819 --> 01:56:35.159
And I did the typography on it and stuff.

2124
01:56:35.220 --> 01:56:40.140
So I did all of that, but I've done it once and now I've done it to 2 more podcast sites.

2125
01:56:40.199 --> 01:56:44.699
I'm going to do it to flight through entirety, but the next step is making it searchable.

2126
01:56:44.760 --> 01:56:45.600
Ooh.

2127
01:56:45.600 --> 01:56:47.640
I mean, I love listening to flight preentority.

2128
01:56:47.699 --> 01:56:49.800
Oh, sure, those ones are so smart.

2129
01:56:49.859 --> 01:56:51.239
I think I'd like to read them.

2130
01:56:51.300 --> 01:56:52.560
They would be a good read. yeah.

2131
01:56:52.619 --> 01:56:53.039
Yeah.

2132
01:56:53.039 --> 01:56:54.359
I mean, I don't want to read me.

2133
01:56:54.359 --> 01:56:55.680
Good read for all this nonsense.

2134
01:56:55.739 --> 01:56:56.340
I'm coming out.

2135
01:56:56.399 --> 01:56:57.000
So great.

2136
01:56:57.060 --> 01:56:57.539
So good.

2137
01:56:57.600 --> 01:56:58.619
Is that good?

2138
01:56:58.680 --> 01:57:01.500
It's just like, oh, like a doppelag.

2139
01:57:01.560 --> 01:57:01.979
Listen to this.

2140
01:57:02.100 --> 01:57:04.140
It's so ridiculous Oh my god, it's wonderful.

2141
01:57:04.199 --> 01:57:04.800
It's so good.

2142
01:57:04.859 --> 01:57:05.819
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

2143
01:57:05.880 --> 01:57:06.359
It's perfect.

2144
01:57:06.420 --> 01:57:07.800
It's just so good.

2145
01:57:07.859 --> 01:57:09.539
It's me.

2146
01:57:09.840 --> 01:57:12.600
Nathan, I think we got the tag, you know.

2147
01:57:13.079 --> 01:57:15.659
Talking about the transcripts, yeah.

2148
01:57:16.500 --> 01:57:18.899
Oh my god, that's great.

2149
01:57:18.960 --> 01:57:19.500
We should do it.

2150
01:57:19.560 --> 01:57:19.979
We should do it.

2151
01:57:20.039 --> 01:57:21.899
What new features will come next?

2152
01:57:22.260 --> 01:57:24.840
I've already started to implement it.

2153
01:57:24.899 --> 01:57:26.220
I've already started to implant it.

2154
01:57:26.220 --> 01:57:30.659
It sort of works, but I've got to style it and make it work better.

2155
01:57:30.720 --> 01:57:32.640
But I'm doing that.

2156
01:57:32.699 --> 01:57:34.140
Fabulous.

2157
01:57:34.199 --> 01:57:34.979
Oh my god.

2158
01:57:35.039 --> 01:57:37.020
Man, it's coming up.

2159
01:57:37.079 --> 01:57:39.180
I just expert call things, aren't you?

2160
01:57:39.239 --> 01:57:42.359
I've just written an article because I worked out how to do it.

2161
01:57:42.420 --> 01:57:48.239
I've just written an article on how to add transcripts to your podcast website and I'm going to publish it in the next day or two.

2162
01:57:48.300 --> 01:57:49.560
So there you go.

2163
01:57:49.619 --> 01:57:50.819
Oh, so then other people can.

2164
01:57:51.119 --> 01:57:51.720
Yeah, yeah.

2165
01:57:51.779 --> 01:57:52.800
Yeah.

2166
01:57:52.859 --> 01:57:54.899
What we're talking about here.

2167
01:57:54.960 --> 01:57:55.739
It's very, very bad.

2168
01:57:55.800 --> 01:57:56.760
Yeah, it's pretty bad.

2169
01:57:56.880 --> 01:57:59.579
It is written by David Gerald, but terrible.

2170
01:57:59.640 --> 01:58:02.819
It really was a half-ass such show, wasn't it?

2171
01:58:02.939 --> 01:58:07.140
That's the animated series for sure. make myself laugh.

2172
01:58:09.960 --> 01:58:12.060
Quite funny, aren't we?

2173
01:58:12.119 --> 01:58:13.079
Oh, that's it.

2174
01:58:13.140 --> 01:58:15.180
That's what I'm the proudest of.

2175
01:58:15.239 --> 01:58:18.479
Oh my god, it's the fellow who plays out those stats.

2176
01:58:20.039 --> 01:58:22.260
Oh, dear.

2177
01:58:22.319 --> 01:58:23.159
Oh, what's this?

2178
01:58:23.159 --> 01:58:23.579
Hang on.

2179
01:58:23.640 --> 01:58:26.100
Have you got the Barclay filter on this?

2180
01:58:26.159 --> 01:58:27.180
No.

2181
01:58:27.239 --> 01:58:28.859
I mean, this is the Barclay, right?

2182
01:58:28.920 --> 01:58:29.579
is his 2nd episode.

2183
01:58:29.640 --> 01:58:31.380
Oh, that's when we're doing the bit at the end.

2184
01:58:31.439 --> 01:58:32.399
Yeah, it must be.

2185
01:58:32.460 --> 01:58:33.600
Yeah, yeah.

2186
01:58:33.720 --> 01:58:35.939
Oh, it's fabulous.

2187
01:58:36.300 --> 01:58:39.960
Gosh, you are clever clocks, and yeah?

2188
01:58:41.100 --> 01:58:44.279
Oh, a fucking clue how to do this.

2189
01:58:44.760 --> 01:58:48.600
Oh, yeah, you could tell when we're doing a comedy.

2190
01:58:48.659 --> 01:58:50.939
We're literally batting the ball back and forth.

2191
01:58:51.000 --> 01:58:53.279
You don't realise, obviously, you can't see a podcast.

2192
01:58:53.340 --> 01:58:56.819
You don't realise the sort of flow of it until you see it like that.

2193
01:58:56.880 --> 01:58:58.319
It's really amazing.

2194
01:58:58.380 --> 01:59:08.159
The other thing is that I did write a program that counted the number of words in flight, in, um, on Star Trek project, uh, and it is on the page, on the about page.

2195
01:59:08.220 --> 01:59:11.100
There will be up to date total every week.

2196
01:59:11.159 --> 01:59:16.619
But I think we decided it was about 2200000 words that we've said.

2197
01:59:17.399 --> 01:59:19.619
2.2 million.

2198
01:59:19.680 --> 01:59:21.239
Oh my god.

2199
01:59:23.100 --> 01:59:25.739
That's pretty easy to do.

2200
01:59:25.800 --> 01:59:36.359
That's far less words. full a full and rich life, a life full of incident and 2000000 words. how many works I've done overall.

2201
01:59:36.659 --> 01:59:39.359
That would be beyond terrifying.

2202
01:59:39.659 --> 01:59:41.760
It's best I don't know that.

2203
01:59:41.819 --> 01:59:44.039
FTA is about 3000000 words.

2204
01:59:44.100 --> 01:59:46.140
What do you reckon?

2205
01:59:46.140 --> 01:59:47.100
We're going to catch up with that.

2206
01:59:47.159 --> 01:59:49.439
I could do hamster, you know.

2207
01:59:49.500 --> 01:59:52.079
I could write a program that would download all of them.

2208
01:59:52.079 --> 01:59:57.300
I don't know about sleep again, no. 10000000 words.

2209
01:59:57.899 --> 02:00:02.039
I already put that website up that tells you how many hours of hamster.

2210
02:00:02.100 --> 02:00:03.000
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

2211
02:00:03.060 --> 02:00:03.600
Yes.

2212
02:00:03.600 --> 02:00:07.020
It grows with terrifying frequency. amazing.

2213
02:00:08.579 --> 02:00:10.739
Although, do you know what?

2214
02:00:10.800 --> 02:00:13.260
I' been really happy with the stuff I've put out this year.

2215
02:00:13.319 --> 02:00:14.939
I think the strictlys have been good.

2216
02:00:15.000 --> 02:00:18.600
I think the book clubs have been good and I think the commentaries have been great.

2217
02:00:18.659 --> 02:00:21.779
So I am really happy with what's going out at the moment.

2218
02:00:22.680 --> 02:00:29.159
And I did bring in a lot of new voices this year as well, which, you know, you do for flight for entirety, don't you?

2219
02:00:29.220 --> 02:00:31.260
Like, it's always good to have new voices, I think.

2220
02:00:31.319 --> 02:00:32.579
Yeah.

2221
02:00:32.640 --> 02:00:35.640
We should get going because we've got...

2222
02:00:35.640 --> 02:00:37.079
Oh, shit now, yeah.

2223
02:00:37.140 --> 02:00:37.500
Yeah.

2224
02:00:37.560 --> 02:00:38.340
Yeah.

2225
02:00:38.399 --> 02:00:40.739
Well, no, I mean, we're going to go for that a bit, aren't we?

2226
02:00:40.859 --> 02:00:46.739
If I can get to sleep by one, then I can have an hour at least, an hour.

2227
02:00:46.800 --> 02:00:47.760
Cool.

2228
02:00:50.819 --> 02:00:52.859
Hey, Joe. Hi.