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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So last time we recorded, we did season five, episode six of Deep

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Space 9...

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And the time before that, we did season five, episode 6 of

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Voyager.

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Now, I want you to tell me what you think season 5 episode 6 of

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Star Trek that Next Generation was.

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Oh, crikey.

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Silicon Avatar, something like that.

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Oh, it's not Dharmok, is it?

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Nope.

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We've done it already.

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The masterpiece society?

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that was series 5.

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Nope.

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No.

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Was it good?

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Is it the game?

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It's the game.

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It's a great slot.

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I tell you.

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That is the choice slot.

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The reason I mention it is, it's the 1st time that we bring Wesley

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back to the show, and it's brilliant.

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It's so much fun.

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It gives Wesley another chance to save the day.

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It's terrifically memorable and enjoyable.

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He's really fun and relaxed in it.

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He's having a lovely time at Starfleet Academy.

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And it's really everything that we hoped would happen when we kind

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of left him behind in final mission.

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Tonight's episode, though, is season five, episode 19.

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So and a whole half season after that.

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And it's the 1st duty.

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And I think it's an extraordinarily brave and interesting thing

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for them to do, um, to bring him back, but he's embroiled in

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something really terrible, that has proper, proper consequences

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for him, and that it's no longer that much fun to see him back.

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Like it's awkward and difficult and strange.

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And while the game is wonderful.

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I think that the 1st duty is absolute top tier Star Trek, because

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it not only does that character staff, but it deals with a really

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really important kind of theme in a way that seems ridiculously

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quixotic now from the point of view of 2026. which I think makes

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it all the more important.

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Watching it this time, for the 1st time in ages, I just found it

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so resonant with so many different things.

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I think the fact that we'd seen season one of Starfleet Academy

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itself, in that time, just made it resonate in all sorts of ways

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and made it seem more interesting and more important.

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So I was absolutely delighted.

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This is an episode that I knew really well, but watching it again

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just made me really, really appreciate how great it is.

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I'm kind of pleased that we had several appearances from Will

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Wheaton in Kurtzman Trek because I don't really like where we go

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from here with Wesley.

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We only see him once more in Journey's end in season 7, where he's

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suddenly a Starfleet dropout and an angry man looking for a

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cause.

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And at the end of that, it reaches a lovely conclusion where the

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traveller comes in and says, no, you know, you can be better than

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this.

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Let's go off and we'll have adventures.

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And it's really nice when we catch up with them.

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We did prodigy recently and he was just fantastic in it.

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Yeah, it's really interesting to see when the Starfleet dream goes

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horribly wrong in this episode and it cements Ron Moore.

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It is run more than rises, isn't it?

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It cements him as the bravest writer and the one that's willing to

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take hold of the Roddenberry vision for Star Trek and actually

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turn it on its head and say maybe we haven't conquered everything

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in the future and we can make mistakes and there are consequences

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and we can let people down.

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And you know me.

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That's my kind of Star Trek.

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You know, I don't want an anti-drama show where everyone gets on

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lovely and just solve space problems.

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I want to examine people and see what happens when things don't go

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right.

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I also really like the fact that we're on earth because we just

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don't do it very much.

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Do we?

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There's the one after best of both worlds.

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What's that called?

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Family.

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Family.

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There's the two-parter in DS9, Home Fright, and Paradise Lost.

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There's this.

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Beyond that, in 90s trek.

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There's home, I think, in Enterprise.

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Enterprise, and then there's a fake version of it all in Voyager

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obviously, because we can only do.

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We're far away from home there.

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But it's not a lot, is it?

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Oh, and a couple of the movies as well.

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We sort of fly over the Golden Gate Bridge.

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And I always love that.

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It's one of the things that I loved about the movies is that, like

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I understand why we're on a spaceship because you have standing

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sets and it's sort of fairly cheap to realise and stuff and going

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to earth is more expensive and it requires you to go outside and

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it requires you to sort of find locations that look futury and

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stuff like that.

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Um, but, uh, but I kind of want to know what earth is like

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basically our water filtration plant, mostly.

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Or a lovely Creole restaurant, you know, in New Orleans, which is

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much nicer to look at.

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Also, as well, there is a bizarre pattern on memory alpha.

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You'd think Rick Burman would learn his lesson, but he never did.

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And also I'm reading the behind the scenes and he's like, no, I

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don't want to do this.

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I don't want to make a space crusher, a flawed human being.

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That's not how we do things here on Star Trek.

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He's a space genius.

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He saves the day every week, you know?

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He's off to the academy to have a bright future ahead of him.

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And then, of course, the episode is written and made.

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And it comes out.

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The reception is fantastic.

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And then Burman's there going, oh, yes, well, a lovely episode

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that was.

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And what a brave thing that we did and it turned out really well.

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You see how many times Berman didn't want to take risks in 90s

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trek.

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And how many times afterwards, he sort of got his tail between his

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legs going, well, I'm glad we tried that.

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Frankly, it is a relief to me that he had so little impact on Duke

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Space 9 because that show would not have taken any fucking risks

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had a bit like Voyager, had had he been in charge of it.

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So yeah, it's boldness, isn't it?

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It's really bad.

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I'm just, and just like we've done courtroom dramas already.

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We already did the fabulous drumhead, Gene Simmons, you know

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brought down better men than you, Picard, you know.

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It's like a TNG staple at this point.

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But at no point did I feel as if they were going over old grounds

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and just how the investigation unfolds in this and how clear that

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they are complicitly lying at court.

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You're just waiting for the penny to drop for everybody.

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Because I think as an audience, you know.

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Well, I mean, they're behaving sort of clandestinely, whenever no

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one's in the room, you know, oh my god, they're going to find out

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so we know, we know there's something to learn.

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But these court case dramas usually are kind of functional and

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they are familiarly structured.

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But this, I just, I, the 1st time I watched it, I couldn't figure

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out how this was going to end and I couldn't understand like the

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consequences because we have never done this before once Wesley is

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exposed and tells the truth.

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Like, what the fuck does that mean?

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What does that mean?

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We don't know.

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And that's exciting, right?

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Especially the next generation.

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You just know you can guess the ending half the time, whereas this

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time, yeah.

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It was it was great.

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I thought it was really interesting.

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Why do you think then that this is so relevant today?

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So for me, this is about privilege and about honesty and about

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sticking together.

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So the choice that Wesley has to make is to be loyal to his

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friends on the team or to tell the truth.

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And we live in a public sphere where lying is just routine and

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people do it all the time and there are no consequences and people

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with privilege, people in positions of power constantly lie to us

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about things all the time.

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And that's normal, no one calls it out, and those people continue

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to be successful as leaders or whatever.

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And the people who lie to us are the people who are privileged

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like Nova Squadron, the people that everyone looks up to.

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They're the kids in the school that everyone admires.

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They're the kids in the school.

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You know, Boothby says they're like gods, you know, that everyone

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looks up to them.

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Everyone is in awe of them.

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And so the choice that has to be made is between honesty that's

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going to cost them and defending our group, our in group, our

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privileged group.

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And Ron Moore, I think, had wanted Wesley to side with his

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friends.

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See, this is actually co-written with Ron Moore and Naran Shankar

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who does 9 episodes of TNG.

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He's currently showrunner of the expanse or has until recently

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been showrunner of the expanse.

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He's the man that the planet Narendra 3 from yesterday's

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Enterprise is named after.

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Of course, a lot of damage there, Naren.

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So he and Moore disagreed and to spend a lot of time discussing

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what should Wesley decide to do?

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And Wesley decides to take the fall and decides to betray his

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friends, to take them down too.

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But the alternative is to support them, let them get away with it

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and let them become the sort of person that is okay with having

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Josh's father think that Josh was responsible for it, making them

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bad people, you know, who hurt other people.

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That would have felt like a betrayal of Wesley's character.

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Like, yeah, Wesley, as always, been a bit arrogant and a, but he's

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a good person.

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That's always been at the forefront of his character.

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I just don't think Moore could have pulled that off as a

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character's choice.

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It would have had to have been a different show.

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It would have had to have changed in certain ways.

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But I think that the interesting thing is, yes, you have

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privilege.

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Yes, you have friends, but it's not okay to lie or let them lie in

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order to maintain their privileged position.

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And it's not okay to let them hurt other people in the process.

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And just the idea that honesty, that just telling the truth is an

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absolute important core value seems so ridiculously naive, even

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quixotic in 2026.

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I just found that speech.

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Because if you look at the speech, the big pivotal speech between

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Picard and Wesley, in the ready room, where Wesley even tries to

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appeal to the captain just as his mentor and the captain shuts it

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down.

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No, we're not friends with not being friends here.

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I am not going to allow our relationship.

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He even brings up the relationship.

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He says, you know, who is this child?

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And then I discovered who you were and I learned what a great

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person you were and how you were born to be this, and I don't care

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because it's more important to me that you grow up being an honest

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trustworthy man and I'm not going to let my regard for you or my

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relationship with you. trick me into letting you off.

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And that is electric.

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And that's what's going on all the way through because if you

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start reading it in that way, you watch all of the times that the

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crew of the Enterprise actually are tempted to do that. you know

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Beverly, most of all, she loves Wesley.

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He can't be doing anything wrong.

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She'll do anything to defend him, but you get it from Data and

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Geordie as well.

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No, son doesn't have a floor.

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How could you suggest such a thing?

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That's right.

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So all of that stuff.

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It's the trick that Valiant does by giving those kids all of that

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rhetoric about how we're the best crew ever. and we're hugely

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important and it's the crew and we're a user and we can do it

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isn't it?

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And he basically there's there's buy into their myth so much.

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They think they can do anything and they all die.

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That's right.

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But I mean, here I think it's a little bit more, what they're

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risking is their soul.

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Do you know what I mean?

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What they're risking is do they become the people that let Josh's

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father think that Josh was to blame for this?

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And it's so important, you know, like it's such an important

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message.

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And I just thought that was, that was a, and like it's very

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obvious that that's the main theme and that's what it's about.

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But just watch the interplay between the enterprise characters and

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how tempted they are to behave like that all the time, and how

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that rhetoric about us being the best crew ever, and, and you know

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us being family and stuff like that, can be used to encourage you

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to do something immoral.

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It can also get you killed, as we discover in Valiant.

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But what it can encourage you to do is kind of, yeah, lose your

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soul.

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I mean, Valiant is such a different episode to this.

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Like, it's much more propulsive.

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There's far more action in it. you know what I mean?

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As a piece of television, it's probably a better piece of work.

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But that is focussing in on Jake and Nog.

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And you've got Nog who's been entirely indoctrinated into the

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Starfleet ideal and you've got Jake who's rejected that completely

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and can see those kids for exactly what they are and the mistakes

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that they're about to make.

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And so it is doing completely different things.

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I mean, the conclusion that that reaches that if you tell people

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they are the best of the best, then, unfortunately, the mockers

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come off and you make very, very bad choices because you think

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nothing can bring you down.

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That is such a rejection of the Roddenberry ideal.

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That's what I love about that episode.

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It's about as dark as you can get, pushing against that sort of, no

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we're the best of the best and we go and solve space problems.

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It takes it to its sort of grimmest conclusion.

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I mean, this does that to some degree because the sort of rhetoric

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that you hear from the Nova Squadron is the sort of rhetoric that

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you hear from the Enterprise crew in, particularly in earlier

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episodes of Star Trek.

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Well, especially in season one.

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Do you remember?

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They were flying away from sort of drug adult planets going, oh

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well, we've done our bit. leave them to it.

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But these uphold Starfleet principles and federation principles

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and places honesty at the centre of them.

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A lie, Nathan.

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We lied and we thought we'd get away with it.

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Oh, yeah.

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Such a singer of a line.

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Well, I just can't get over that line, you know, whether it's

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scientific truth or personal truth.

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You know, that the incredible... officer is the truth.

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And Stuart is so great in that.

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I think Stuart, you know, is often overrated by Americans who just

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hear his RSE accent and think that everything he does is super

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great.

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Sometimes he's a bit embarrassing, sometimes is super awkward.

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But when he's given a scene like that, he's absolutely superb.

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I've come to a conclusion.

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Bloody yeah, we've discussed the entire episode before we've got

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in.

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I've come to the conclusion that people, and I used to say it as

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well, that Will Wheaton raises his game every time that he's in a

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scene with Patrick Stewart.

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I'm wondering now, you know, if Patrick Stewart raises his game

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every time he's in a scene with Will Wheaton, as you go back and

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look, that episode, I think it's, it's the Maritan snare where

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they're in the shuttle when he's going off to the, and he's taking

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Wesley's worth.

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The scenes in that are incredible.

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Final mission.

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The scenes in that are amazingly good. and the scenes between them

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here as well.

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It's not enough.

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That's the trouble is like, I wish there had been more time and

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more material for these 2 together.

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But here, yeah, you're right.

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It is electrifying to watch.

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Well, and again, it's because we haven't been here before where in

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new territory.

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And that's really exciting.

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Yeah, yeah, I agree.

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It's not the sort of place TNG went enough, if you ask me.

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And I'm sure there was a space problem next week.

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I'm barely certain after all of this controversial

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characterisation.

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It's cost of living.

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Mr. Wolf, please get the butt off with me.

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The higher the fewer.

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It is great.

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It's great.

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All right, let's watch this thing, babe.

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Okay, all right.

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I will count us in.

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Five, four, three, two, one, and we're off.

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I think, so I think this is super awkward this scene, but it

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introduces some things that are super important, I think, to the

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episode.

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So that's one of them. in space at the moment.

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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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But we've got a log entry.

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But, um, this stuff where the, where Riker and, um, where Riker

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and Picard are reminiscing about their academy days, um, of course

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introduces.

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Deanna's grinning like an insane gargoyle for some reason.

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Well, I think the reason is that they've given her no lines in

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this scene.

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But the camera's on her anyway.

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Why if they're giving her no lines, it makes no sense.

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Didn't she go to the academy?

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What's going on?

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She should have just said, oh, you was a naughty boy or something

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like that, should she?

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But she gets no lines at all.

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But, but what is great, of course, is this introduces the idea, and

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it's a clever conceit that, um, he's now going to play Boothby and

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Boothby was him, you know, to his Wesley, that makes no sense at

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all.

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But there's something circular about this.

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So we get to see a potential future for Wesley, where he still

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becomes captain of the Enterprise because of course, he did the

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right thing.

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And even though it cost him something, he was successful

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afterwards and could live with himself.

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It seeds the idea that even the most stalwart bug up the butt

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Starfleet captains could make mistakes when he was a younger man

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which is what this is all about.

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Yeah.

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Now, here is Admiral Brand, who is pretty great, although she's

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pretty fucking terrible on the phone.

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She's been actually smoked 20 a year, isn't she?

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Good great voice. 20 a year?

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I meant 28 days.

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Sorry.

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So she goes, she goes, there's been an accident and it's kind of

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like, so you know that you're about to go into the opening credits

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are.

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You don't lead with, he's fine.

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You're a friend of the Crush Boy, aren't you?

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Yes.

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Oh, that's been a terrible thing.

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There's been an accident. pauses dramatically.

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She teach Captain Archer how to do phone calls in Enterprise

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because that's exactly what he did with Yoshi's father the other

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time.

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I know.

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That was exactly what I thought.

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Are you telling me she's dead?

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Yes, yes, I am.

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No, it's more dramatic effect, though, right?

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Well, like, we're not actually being told what's happened, but

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yeah, you're right.

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Nathan, yeah, you know, if Sam happens to you, yeah, can you tell

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your loved ones, if they're going to ring me, just say he's dead

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all right?

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We did manage to retrieve some goo, which we thought you might

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want.

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Oh, please send it over.

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I'll put it next to mine.

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Untitled Star Trek Project plaque.

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The last living remains.

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Yeah, that's right. madness, isn't it?

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Well, so it is set in the scene, though, right?

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And it's obeying your rule for the pre-titled sequence.

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We've ceded the idea and we found out that something very serious

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has occurred at the academy.

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And so the other thing that this episode made me think about is

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the concern that the adults have for the children and the way that

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they know the children and the way that they're concerned about

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how they feel, and mostly that's done through Boothby, but it is

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also done through Admiral Brand.

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And I think there's one particular line, which I just think is

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beautiful and doesn't necessarily hit you on the head with it

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about how concerned she is about the kids.

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And we've had a whole season of that in Starfleet Academy as

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well.

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Oh, sorry.

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We just went straight on a shot of Beverly looking absolutely as

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robotic as she ever had.

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I don't think.

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I think that wig is out acting her in this.

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I can't take her seriously.

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At this point.

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She's behind a lot of consoles in this.

431
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Oh, possibly, possibly.

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But it's just the massiveness of that fucking wig, which is

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fighting her performance.

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No, not just the week.

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Did you see the Wolf earlier as well?

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Mr. Mop, man, you're not doing your job on the Xbox.

437
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Now, there's a moment here where I think Gates McFadden is great

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where she goes, I know that.

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I know that. you know, and she sort of falters and she comes

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across as like a human being, but all the scenes where she's with

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Wesley on earth and she's like, Wesley, we must go and tell them

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you know, how many times you've saved the ship.

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Oh, look, you said it.

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She's like a Stepford wife, isn't she?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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But, but I mean, she, one of the reasons why I think that we can't

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have a scene, like, there seems to be her arc ends and we don't

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see her meet him afterwards.

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Yeah, but I think the reason for that is, what would they say?

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We don't really want to watch that, do we?

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Beverly being crushed that her son murdered somebody?

452
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Yeah, yeah, that's right.

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No, no, that's sort of miserable.

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But she's also depicting that instinct to protect our friends, to

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protect the people that we love, that that's more important than

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the truth, so much so that she can't even believe the truth.

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Of course.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I mean, which would she have said to him, no, protect your career

460
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all right?

461
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It's okay.

462
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Well, in fact, she, she tell, like he tells her not to.

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He tells her, like, I'm protecting these people's career.

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Don't protect my career.

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Don't get involved.

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Don't intervene with Admiral Brand.

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It'll be bad for you and you'll feel bad if you find out what I've

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done.

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Do you know what I mean?

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So it's, again, he's instructing her not to do what he himself is

471
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currently in the middle of doing.

472
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Well, through motive, then.

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Is it is it too so we can deliver the truth to the fellow's dad or

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because he just doesn't want to look into his mother's eyes when

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he richly realises that her little boy isn't as perfect as she

476
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thought?

477
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But I also think that, I think, and the person that we haven't

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mentioned is Nick Lucano.

479
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Yes, I do want to talk about.

480
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So this is the worst, Robert. playing the character that he will

481
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come back and play again in lower decks.

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I know I know what you're going to say.

483
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I don't see a discernable difference in what he's doing here to

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Tom Paris.

485
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And I just don't think he's charismatic enough to sort of convince

486
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me that he would be able to silence all of those people.

487
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I think he talks the talk, though.

488
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I think the dialogue in that thing, yeah.

489
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Yeah.

490
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So, and I think it's helped by the performance of the young woman

491
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who plays Cito.

492
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She's terrific.

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She's really good, awful, that Bajoran makeup, that early

494
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Bajoran.

495
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I hate that.

496
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HD, you know.

497
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, no sins.

498
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It's still fairly bad.

499
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But so that scene, there's 2 great scenes with him.

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I think the scene where Wesley 1st tries to stand up to in front

501
00:24:47.759 --> 00:24:50.579
of the other 2 in front of Gene and Cito is pretty great.

502
00:24:50.640 --> 00:24:54.059
And then there's a scene where Wesley goes pretty much straight

503
00:24:54.059 --> 00:24:58.140
from the scene with Picard into a scene with the worst Robert.

504
00:24:58.200 --> 00:25:01.140
And those 2 scenes are a backbone of the episode and they're both

505
00:25:01.140 --> 00:25:01.980
electric, I think.

506
00:25:02.039 --> 00:25:05.099
And I was very, I had the subtitles on right.

507
00:25:05.160 --> 00:25:07.200
I thought I'm not going to be distracted by the worst robots

508
00:25:07.200 --> 00:25:07.740
performers.

509
00:25:07.799 --> 00:25:11.940
And I was like, gosh, this is really properly manipulative what

510
00:25:11.940 --> 00:25:14.519
he's doing. really good dialogue, isn't it?

511
00:25:14.640 --> 00:25:16.319
I just don't know that he sells it.

512
00:25:16.380 --> 00:25:19.680
I would want to see like a really hot.

513
00:25:19.740 --> 00:25:24.539
I really charismatic sort of leader of men that they are all a bit

514
00:25:24.539 --> 00:25:25.380
beguiled by.

515
00:25:25.440 --> 00:25:30.059
Also, why get a 27 year old to play that role?

516
00:25:30.180 --> 00:25:32.279
Like, I just, he's too old.

517
00:25:32.339 --> 00:25:35.640
Why isn't he, Nick McClarno in Voyager?

518
00:25:35.700 --> 00:25:39.059
Oh, because I think Nick Lucano, like, I think he could have

519
00:25:39.059 --> 00:25:39.299
been.

520
00:25:39.359 --> 00:25:42.180
I don't know why. something happened that put Tom Paris in

521
00:25:42.180 --> 00:25:42.539
prison.

522
00:25:42.599 --> 00:25:43.319
It could have been that.

523
00:25:43.380 --> 00:25:47.099
Yeah, but he, but Nick isn't in prison at the end of this.

524
00:25:47.160 --> 00:25:48.240
He's just expelled.

525
00:25:48.299 --> 00:25:51.900
He's rebranded himself as Tom Paris, you know.

526
00:25:51.960 --> 00:25:53.579
Yeah, yeah.

527
00:25:53.700 --> 00:25:56.279
Like, I think he's very charming.

528
00:25:56.339 --> 00:25:57.839
I can see why they liked him.

529
00:25:57.960 --> 00:25:58.859
Do you know what I mean?

530
00:25:58.920 --> 00:26:01.440
Like, he's charming and he's sort of reasonably good looking and

531
00:26:01.440 --> 00:26:01.740
stuff.

532
00:26:01.799 --> 00:26:04.799
He's far too old for this, and it would have been more effective

533
00:26:04.799 --> 00:26:09.299
if it had been a charismatic 22 year old, you know.

534
00:26:09.599 --> 00:26:12.960
And certainly, like, playing against Wesley, look how much older

535
00:26:12.960 --> 00:26:14.160
he looks.

536
00:26:14.160 --> 00:26:15.599
Maybe, inappropriate.

537
00:26:15.660 --> 00:26:18.539
But, I mean, Wesley Crusher, he still makes my heart flutter.

538
00:26:18.599 --> 00:26:21.900
I'm sorry, I'm still 13 years old when I look at Wesley Crusher.

539
00:26:22.200 --> 00:26:24.180
He has the worst hair in this episode.

540
00:26:24.299 --> 00:26:25.500
Oh, that's the hair.

541
00:26:25.559 --> 00:26:30.180
I used to ask my hairdresser to give me with the bogeyman cover.

542
00:26:30.240 --> 00:26:34.980
Oh my god. it's terrible I wanted that hair so badly.

543
00:26:35.039 --> 00:26:36.599
Look at the undercut.

544
00:26:36.660 --> 00:26:40.440
Like when he turns around, the back, the back of it is so bad.

545
00:26:40.500 --> 00:26:41.640
Look at that.

546
00:26:41.700 --> 00:26:45.359
You remember I said to you in a message, this, like, I felt like

547
00:26:45.359 --> 00:26:47.220
this just could all be a bit tighter.

548
00:26:47.339 --> 00:26:47.640
Yeah.

549
00:26:47.700 --> 00:26:50.400
I'll give you an example and it isn't the writing.

550
00:26:50.460 --> 00:26:53.099
It isn't the narrative.

551
00:26:53.160 --> 00:26:54.599
It's the direction, I think.

552
00:26:54.660 --> 00:26:58.920
There was a moment there where the door opened and you can clearly

553
00:26:58.920 --> 00:27:01.319
see gates waiting for a queue to talk.

554
00:27:01.380 --> 00:27:04.920
So she's standing there like a robot until the door's fully open

555
00:27:04.920 --> 00:27:07.740
and then she sort of goes, where's like that?

556
00:27:07.740 --> 00:27:10.259
Go, gates, go.

557
00:27:10.619 --> 00:27:14.759
I think the worst thing about it is that they can't afford a

558
00:27:14.759 --> 00:27:16.319
sliding door in this set.

559
00:27:16.380 --> 00:27:19.440
It's like they have a door handle.

560
00:27:19.500 --> 00:27:22.319
But they put noise.

561
00:27:22.380 --> 00:27:27.180
They put a psst. noise when he used the fucking door handle, like

562
00:27:27.180 --> 00:27:28.019
it's electronic.

563
00:27:28.079 --> 00:27:31.440
This is obviously the same location as the justice planet.

564
00:27:31.500 --> 00:27:32.640
That is worth mentioning as well.

565
00:27:32.700 --> 00:27:34.440
The same water filter.

566
00:27:34.500 --> 00:27:38.819
But I do think it does, it has both the sort of earthy feel, you

567
00:27:38.819 --> 00:27:41.819
know, the nice, the water and the bushes and all.

568
00:27:41.880 --> 00:27:43.740
But it does feel futuristic, doesn't it?

569
00:27:43.799 --> 00:27:48.839
Like when I was 13, I was utterly convinced I was in the 24th

570
00:27:48.839 --> 00:27:49.200
century.

571
00:27:49.500 --> 00:27:53.160
Um, so this is Ray Walston as Booth be.

572
00:27:53.220 --> 00:27:58.200
Boothby's been mentioned a couple of times before, and of course

573
00:27:58.200 --> 00:28:04.559
he was known basically to the audience as Uncle Martin from my

574
00:28:04.559 --> 00:28:05.819
favourite Martian.

575
00:28:05.880 --> 00:28:10.500
So that's a sitcom that goes from 1963 to 1966.

576
00:28:10.799 --> 00:28:13.980
And he's an alien who lands on earth.

577
00:28:14.039 --> 00:28:16.079
He's an anthropologist or something.

578
00:28:16.140 --> 00:28:19.380
He lands on earth and ends up leaving with Bill Bixby from the

579
00:28:19.380 --> 00:28:20.339
Incredible Hulk.

580
00:28:20.460 --> 00:28:24.599
And he's hilarious and funny and quirky and stuff.

581
00:28:24.660 --> 00:28:26.279
He's a sort of grumpy uncle.

582
00:28:26.339 --> 00:28:29.519
And so he's kind of perfect for them. for the pipe then.

583
00:28:29.579 --> 00:28:30.779
Yeah, exactly.

584
00:28:30.900 --> 00:28:35.099
And so the other theme that I think, and I've said this before, is

585
00:28:35.099 --> 00:28:41.279
like, Boothby knows them, like knows him, you know, and Boothby

586
00:28:41.279 --> 00:28:42.119
remembers him.

587
00:28:42.180 --> 00:28:45.299
We had the throwaway gag in the game where Wesley says, oh, yeah

588
00:28:45.299 --> 00:28:46.079
he didn't remember you.

589
00:28:46.140 --> 00:28:50.400
But Boothby knows him very well and he's proud of what he did.

590
00:28:50.400 --> 00:28:54.359
And the great thing is, we need these conversations with Boothby

591
00:28:54.359 --> 00:28:57.059
because Boothby gives valuable exposition about what Nova

592
00:28:57.059 --> 00:28:59.579
Squadrons like and what the kids think of him.

593
00:28:59.640 --> 00:29:02.880
But what we've added to it is giving him this relationship with

594
00:29:02.880 --> 00:29:06.240
Picard, where Picard was involved in a potentially career ending

595
00:29:06.240 --> 00:29:10.319
scandal, and Booth be persuaded him to stand up and do the right

596
00:29:10.319 --> 00:29:11.099
thing.

597
00:29:11.160 --> 00:29:17.339
And so I love that because it means that Wesley, even though he's

598
00:29:17.339 --> 00:29:21.359
brought low at the end of the episode, There's hope for his

599
00:29:21.359 --> 00:29:21.660
future.

600
00:29:21.720 --> 00:29:27.539
I love the fact that in, you know, this location, which is full of

601
00:29:27.539 --> 00:29:31.980
bright young cadets and admirals and all of this, the wisest and

602
00:29:31.980 --> 00:29:37.079
the most observant person is the gardener, and the gardener who

603
00:29:37.079 --> 00:29:39.779
everyone passes all the time and he makes the time to have

604
00:29:39.779 --> 00:29:43.740
relationships with people, and then you had that sort of role

605
00:29:43.740 --> 00:29:47.579
which is a choice role, right, to a great character actor like

606
00:29:47.579 --> 00:29:47.819
this.

607
00:29:47.880 --> 00:29:49.740
It's just magic.

608
00:29:49.799 --> 00:29:53.160
I think Stuart is great in this scene as well.

609
00:29:53.220 --> 00:29:55.799
There's that moment where he says, I hated you.

610
00:29:55.859 --> 00:30:00.119
I thought you were a mean-spirited, vicious old man, and he says, I

611
00:30:00.119 --> 00:30:04.019
was, and by the way, I'm the same age as you were now.

612
00:30:04.079 --> 00:30:06.420
And Stuart just lets us smile.

613
00:30:06.480 --> 00:30:09.839
He's got serious business to happen, but there's just the ghost of

614
00:30:09.839 --> 00:30:11.579
a smile on his face at that point.

615
00:30:11.640 --> 00:30:13.440
And it kind of anticipates.

616
00:30:13.559 --> 00:30:17.759
It helps us to understand how Wesley feels in that scene where

617
00:30:17.759 --> 00:30:22.440
Picard is being mean. is deliberately saying, I'm not taking into

618
00:30:22.440 --> 00:30:24.059
account our relationship at all.

619
00:30:24.119 --> 00:30:25.559
I'm calling you a cadet.

620
00:30:25.619 --> 00:30:27.180
You know, I'm calling you cadet.

621
00:30:27.240 --> 00:30:28.380
You're calling me, sir.

622
00:30:28.440 --> 00:30:30.119
We're not having any relationship.

623
00:30:30.119 --> 00:30:30.779
That's your problem.

624
00:30:30.839 --> 00:30:33.000
Yeah, yeah, yeah. really good.

625
00:30:33.059 --> 00:30:34.799
See, this is quite good.

626
00:30:34.859 --> 00:30:38.279
They was, did you notice they were shooting that scene at dusk as

627
00:30:38.279 --> 00:30:38.519
well?

628
00:30:38.579 --> 00:30:40.740
They had a lovely sort of light to it.

629
00:30:40.799 --> 00:30:41.940
A beautiful golden lion.

630
00:30:42.000 --> 00:30:43.559
Like, we don't go on location very often.

631
00:30:43.619 --> 00:30:44.700
Let's get the most out of this.

632
00:30:45.299 --> 00:30:46.980
I don't know.

633
00:30:47.519 --> 00:30:51.119
Maybe I'm just poisoned by so many dreadful performances as Tom

634
00:30:51.119 --> 00:30:51.599
Paris.

635
00:30:51.660 --> 00:30:55.799
I was just like, I was thinking, would I be convinced by this

636
00:30:55.799 --> 00:30:56.160
man?

637
00:30:56.160 --> 00:30:58.619
and I'm not sure I would.

638
00:30:58.680 --> 00:31:02.579
Well, I think partly because it is that cheesy, you know, I

639
00:31:02.579 --> 00:31:05.160
couldn't have asked for a better team dialogue that we sat through

640
00:31:05.160 --> 00:31:08.279
in season one of Star Trek, The Next Generation, and that has to

641
00:31:08.279 --> 00:31:08.940
be deliberate.

642
00:31:09.000 --> 00:31:10.440
Moore's watched that.

643
00:31:10.500 --> 00:31:11.700
He knows how that lands.

644
00:31:11.759 --> 00:31:15.000
Yeah, he watched a pawn, so do you wait till I get on that show?

645
00:31:15.059 --> 00:31:17.039
I'm gonna shake this up.

646
00:31:17.099 --> 00:31:19.440
Oh, who plays this Vulcan?

647
00:31:19.559 --> 00:31:21.660
This is a great performance.

648
00:31:21.720 --> 00:31:23.519
Everything he says.

649
00:31:24.119 --> 00:31:28.079
I know you're guilty and I will find out how.

650
00:31:28.380 --> 00:31:31.859
So he is Richard Fancy.

651
00:31:31.920 --> 00:31:37.200
And he played a Sky Spirit Alien in Tattoo. too.

652
00:31:37.259 --> 00:31:40.140
A Sky Spirit Alien, you say.

653
00:31:40.200 --> 00:31:41.099
Yes.

654
00:31:41.160 --> 00:31:45.480
So how they register on the Beaumont scale. pretty bad, pretty

655
00:31:45.480 --> 00:31:45.839
bad.

656
00:31:45.900 --> 00:31:50.460
But he was also a semi-regular on Seinfeld, and he played Elaine's

657
00:31:50.460 --> 00:31:53.400
boss, Mr. Litman, in Seinfeld, but it was very funny.

658
00:31:53.460 --> 00:31:56.220
I mean, maybe the worst Robert side.

659
00:31:56.279 --> 00:31:57.960
It's all superbly cast.

660
00:31:58.019 --> 00:32:03.599
Ed Launner as the dad. is it just breaks your heart when he says

661
00:32:03.599 --> 00:32:07.079
to Wesley, I'm really sorry, Josh let you down.

662
00:32:07.140 --> 00:32:08.940
I mean, come on.

663
00:32:09.180 --> 00:32:13.799
And that's super cheesy and maybe a little bit over egged, but you

664
00:32:13.799 --> 00:32:14.819
watch that scene.

665
00:32:14.819 --> 00:32:16.859
When it comes, I think it's beautifully written.

666
00:32:16.859 --> 00:32:18.299
It's just well done.

667
00:32:18.359 --> 00:32:20.819
I don't think it's overworked in the acting though.

668
00:32:20.880 --> 00:32:23.099
He really underplays it all.

669
00:32:23.160 --> 00:32:26.160
It could be, you know, the proper hysterical grieving father.

670
00:32:26.220 --> 00:32:27.059
No.

671
00:32:27.059 --> 00:32:30.119
Yeah, yeah. is beautifully underplayed, isn't it?

672
00:32:30.180 --> 00:32:31.680
You're in no doubt about how he's feeling.

673
00:32:31.740 --> 00:32:35.039
There's something about his body language, which is a bit broken

674
00:32:35.039 --> 00:32:37.380
and a bit disappointed in his son.

675
00:32:37.440 --> 00:32:41.519
You know, while he's breathing as well. so sad.

676
00:32:43.259 --> 00:32:48.359
And there is this thing, like, I, you sense it from brand.

677
00:32:48.420 --> 00:32:50.940
You know, like this, she's a formidable woman.

678
00:32:51.240 --> 00:32:56.339
And maybe I'm sort of Holly Hunter peeled by all of this, but I

679
00:32:56.339 --> 00:33:01.920
just think that I can sense in her some real concern for these

680
00:33:01.920 --> 00:33:02.640
kids.

681
00:33:02.700 --> 00:33:06.299
And the thing that she's worried about at the end isn't that she

682
00:33:06.299 --> 00:33:10.259
gets. she can't, she knows that they're lying at the end.

683
00:33:10.319 --> 00:33:13.559
She just knows they're lying and she says, but suspicion isn't

684
00:33:13.559 --> 00:33:18.299
proof and that's not enough, but I'm super disappointed in you. all

685
00:33:18.299 --> 00:33:19.380
in her delivery, isn't it?

686
00:33:19.440 --> 00:33:21.779
Yeah, yeah, I know what you're becoming.

687
00:33:21.839 --> 00:33:23.460
I know what you're becoming.

688
00:33:23.519 --> 00:33:29.220
And, and, like, it's, look at the look, the look on St.

689
00:33:29.220 --> 00:33:32.220
Elk's face there is so great.

690
00:33:32.279 --> 00:33:32.819
It's so good.

691
00:33:32.880 --> 00:33:37.440
It's every line that comes out of his mouth, you are guilty.

692
00:33:37.500 --> 00:33:39.480
I'm going to find out how.

693
00:33:39.480 --> 00:33:40.740
It's so great.

694
00:33:40.799 --> 00:33:42.660
I mean, her.

695
00:33:42.720 --> 00:33:45.180
The fact that they take Cito into lower decks.

696
00:33:45.240 --> 00:33:46.500
Yeah, yeah.

697
00:33:46.500 --> 00:33:48.599
I mean, that's Ron Moore again, isn't it?

698
00:33:48.660 --> 00:33:49.619
Man, he's so good.

699
00:33:49.680 --> 00:33:51.299
He's so great.

700
00:33:51.359 --> 00:33:55.740
And so I think I said at the tag of our last episode that, of

701
00:33:55.740 --> 00:34:03.000
course, Cito and Nick and Wesley all meet Mariner, Mariner's

702
00:34:03.000 --> 00:34:05.519
friends with Cito and has a bit of a sort of crush on her.

703
00:34:05.700 --> 00:34:10.619
And her death really hits her badly.

704
00:34:10.679 --> 00:34:12.659
And so we get to see, we even see Josh.

705
00:34:12.719 --> 00:34:14.340
We actually meet Josh in that scene.

706
00:34:14.400 --> 00:34:18.360
I am always going to provide the balance, this bloody courtroom.

707
00:34:18.420 --> 00:34:20.760
I mean, it's the size of a cupboard, isn't it?

708
00:34:20.820 --> 00:34:24.840
You can only fit. 5 people in and it's literally a square.

709
00:34:25.320 --> 00:34:28.860
But it's the same, you know, it's the assembly room from before

710
00:34:28.860 --> 00:34:33.659
it's minuscule by modern standards, but it is actually quite big

711
00:34:33.659 --> 00:34:35.039
when you see it.

712
00:34:35.099 --> 00:34:35.940
Do you know what I mean?

713
00:34:36.000 --> 00:34:37.679
Like, and it's got a ceiling and stuff.

714
00:34:37.739 --> 00:34:39.360
It's a pretty impressive set.

715
00:34:39.480 --> 00:34:41.820
Oh, he's not shooting it well then.

716
00:34:41.880 --> 00:34:44.519
Because it looks tiny from here.

717
00:34:44.579 --> 00:34:48.000
The trouble is, is they're having to do a whole new location in

718
00:34:48.000 --> 00:34:49.019
this story, right?

719
00:34:49.079 --> 00:34:51.840
With, you know, the rooms that people sleep in.

720
00:34:51.840 --> 00:34:55.739
And this is the bit too, where they dump, where they dump Josh in

721
00:34:55.739 --> 00:34:55.980
it.

722
00:34:55.980 --> 00:34:59.760
And it's, it's...

723
00:34:59.820 --> 00:35:04.019
And the camera rarely strays from the dad, right?

724
00:35:04.079 --> 00:35:05.639
Looking like, oh, he's let you down.

725
00:35:05.699 --> 00:35:07.619
It's just terrible.

726
00:35:08.039 --> 00:35:12.719
And so, I mean, so they're prepared to lie in order to give

727
00:35:12.719 --> 00:35:14.820
themselves some kind of plausibility.

728
00:35:14.880 --> 00:35:18.659
So, you know, they make their story more plausible because they're

729
00:35:18.659 --> 00:35:20.519
admitting to doing something a bit wrong.

730
00:35:21.000 --> 00:35:25.500
And I really loves Wesley's reaction to this.

731
00:35:25.500 --> 00:35:29.880
And the scene that comes after where with Nick and the others, I

732
00:35:29.880 --> 00:35:31.320
think, is a really good scene.

733
00:35:31.500 --> 00:35:35.400
It's just, how could you possibly cool yourself, the best of the

734
00:35:35.400 --> 00:35:38.940
best, and look at yourself in the mirror after doing something

735
00:35:38.940 --> 00:35:39.300
like this?

736
00:35:39.360 --> 00:35:40.920
Yeah, yeah.

737
00:35:40.980 --> 00:35:41.820
I agree.

738
00:35:41.880 --> 00:35:43.860
And that's that's the right thing.

739
00:35:43.920 --> 00:35:44.880
Do you know what I mean?

740
00:35:44.940 --> 00:35:47.400
Like, that's the right thing because it's not only disloyal to

741
00:35:47.400 --> 00:35:52.199
your friend who died because you did a dumb thing because you're a

742
00:35:52.199 --> 00:35:56.159
stupid fucking teenager who does dumb things because that's what

743
00:35:56.159 --> 00:35:56.760
they do.

744
00:35:56.820 --> 00:36:02.639
You know, um, uh, uh, but it's being disloyal to your friends to

745
00:36:02.639 --> 00:36:06.360
let them be those people, those people who did that to their

746
00:36:06.360 --> 00:36:07.380
friend, you know.

747
00:36:07.440 --> 00:36:11.039
Wesley saw a faltering line over, he wasn't ready and we made him

748
00:36:11.039 --> 00:36:11.940
do it as well.

749
00:36:12.000 --> 00:36:15.000
That's just in the 2nd half of this episode, there's so many

750
00:36:15.000 --> 00:36:15.780
wonderful lines.

751
00:36:15.840 --> 00:36:17.340
It's really good.

752
00:36:17.400 --> 00:36:20.519
Also, as well, the body language of Cito.

753
00:36:20.579 --> 00:36:21.539
And what's the other girl's name?

754
00:36:21.659 --> 00:36:22.800
Jean.

755
00:36:22.800 --> 00:36:26.639
So Cito's got her hands in her lap and it's almost like she wants

756
00:36:26.639 --> 00:36:29.579
to tell the truth and lying like this.

757
00:36:29.639 --> 00:36:33.719
It's clearly having an effect on her, gene on the other hand, is

758
00:36:33.719 --> 00:36:36.179
sitting quite straight, confident.

759
00:36:36.539 --> 00:36:37.320
I just like seeing.

760
00:36:37.320 --> 00:36:41.699
Because we don't get a chance to sort of look at non-verbal acting

761
00:36:41.699 --> 00:36:43.320
in 90s straight very often.

762
00:36:43.380 --> 00:36:45.059
And yet they're all doing different things.

763
00:36:45.599 --> 00:36:49.500
There's a great scene, that next scene, I think Cito is really

764
00:36:49.500 --> 00:36:50.760
worth watching in the next scene.

765
00:36:50.820 --> 00:36:54.539
I think this is very good because again, look at Picard.

766
00:36:54.599 --> 00:36:56.760
He just says Wesley's one of our own.

767
00:36:56.820 --> 00:36:58.800
We have to defend him.

768
00:36:58.860 --> 00:37:01.559
That's the exact rhetoric that Nick is using.

769
00:37:01.619 --> 00:37:02.639
Do you know what I mean?

770
00:37:02.699 --> 00:37:03.599
This is the team.

771
00:37:03.659 --> 00:37:04.920
These are our people.

772
00:37:04.980 --> 00:37:05.880
We stick together.

773
00:37:05.940 --> 00:37:09.179
We do things for each other, and there's Picard exhibiting that

774
00:37:09.179 --> 00:37:10.019
behaviour himself.

775
00:37:10.139 --> 00:37:11.400
Here.

776
00:37:11.460 --> 00:37:16.500
So you have, we open this scene on Cito saying you shouldn't have

777
00:37:16.500 --> 00:37:17.760
done that, Nick.

778
00:37:17.820 --> 00:37:19.320
She's the one who says it.

779
00:37:19.380 --> 00:37:22.380
And by the end of the scene, she's okay with it, and it's because

780
00:37:22.380 --> 00:37:22.860
of Nick.

781
00:37:22.920 --> 00:37:28.380
This is a very on TNG style scene where you have something to

782
00:37:28.380 --> 00:37:30.900
discuss and there are lots of different opinions about it.

783
00:37:30.960 --> 00:37:34.199
Usually, we're pulling in the same direction on TNG.

784
00:37:34.739 --> 00:37:38.820
Yeah, but look, by the end of it, look, Cito, she doesn't say

785
00:37:38.820 --> 00:37:39.360
anything.

786
00:37:39.420 --> 00:37:43.199
Gene is okay with it before Cito is, but Cito is eventually okay

787
00:37:43.199 --> 00:37:43.679
with it.

788
00:37:43.739 --> 00:37:45.480
Look, she's starting to fall fast.

789
00:37:45.539 --> 00:37:47.460
Are you really going to do this to all of us?

790
00:37:47.519 --> 00:37:50.099
You're going to ruin all of our careers just so you feel better

791
00:37:50.099 --> 00:37:50.699
about yourself.

792
00:37:50.820 --> 00:37:52.260
Yeah, yeah.

793
00:37:52.320 --> 00:37:53.940
That scene is great.

794
00:37:54.000 --> 00:37:56.460
Because that's, you know, there's 2 scenes.

795
00:37:56.519 --> 00:38:00.420
One after the other, Picard browbeats him, then Lucano browbeats

796
00:38:00.420 --> 00:38:01.019
him.

797
00:38:01.079 --> 00:38:02.039
They both yell at him.

798
00:38:02.099 --> 00:38:03.659
They both make moral arguments.

799
00:38:03.719 --> 00:38:05.099
Do you know what I mean?

800
00:38:05.159 --> 00:38:08.099
Like, and they both do a great job because they're, you know, great

801
00:38:08.099 --> 00:38:10.019
dialogue written by Ronald D. Moore.

802
00:38:10.079 --> 00:38:13.619
Sorry, Nathan, but I think Macono's hair is even worse than

803
00:38:13.619 --> 00:38:14.400
Wesley's.

804
00:38:14.460 --> 00:38:16.619
What is that Tintin Quiffey's got going on there?

805
00:38:18.480 --> 00:38:21.840
It's just so nice look out the window at earth there.

806
00:38:21.900 --> 00:38:24.480
It's so refreshing to be somewhere different.

807
00:38:24.539 --> 00:38:26.760
It does look pretty good.

808
00:38:26.820 --> 00:38:29.820
It's that window that we see in tapestry as well, isn't it?

809
00:38:29.880 --> 00:38:33.960
Like the famous window that looks out onto a cityscape.

810
00:38:34.019 --> 00:38:37.260
Have you ever been in that situation, you know, where what you're

811
00:38:37.260 --> 00:38:38.579
saying and the evidence?

812
00:38:38.639 --> 00:38:40.079
Oh, completely odds.

813
00:38:40.139 --> 00:38:41.460
How the hell do you explain this?

814
00:38:43.559 --> 00:38:45.480
Maybe I lied.

815
00:38:45.599 --> 00:38:46.199
I don't know.

816
00:38:46.260 --> 00:38:49.199
Just don't volunteer any new information.

817
00:38:49.260 --> 00:38:51.059
That's it. now she's around.

818
00:38:51.119 --> 00:38:52.559
Yeah, yeah.

819
00:38:52.619 --> 00:38:55.139
But now she's now she's come around.

820
00:38:55.199 --> 00:38:58.619
She's actually come around during that the course of this scene.

821
00:38:58.679 --> 00:39:02.280
Well, I mean, there are a lot of terrible things I've done, you

822
00:39:02.280 --> 00:39:05.519
know, for the group over the years, haven't they?

823
00:39:05.579 --> 00:39:07.679
You know, a lot of very bad choices.

824
00:39:07.739 --> 00:39:08.760
Yeah.

825
00:39:08.820 --> 00:39:09.539
Yeah.

826
00:39:09.599 --> 00:39:11.219
But all of this stuff.

827
00:39:11.280 --> 00:39:15.300
And this is, again, it's the sort of familiar ratric from, you

828
00:39:15.300 --> 00:39:18.179
know, the captain of a high school team, which is why, again, I

829
00:39:18.179 --> 00:39:21.179
think it would have been better for Nick to have been played by

830
00:39:21.179 --> 00:39:23.639
someone younger, like a younger actor.

831
00:39:23.699 --> 00:39:26.340
Um, but all that we'll stick together.

832
00:39:26.400 --> 00:39:27.420
Nova Squadron.

833
00:39:27.420 --> 00:39:30.539
No one else can say that, that we're the best of the best.

834
00:39:30.599 --> 00:39:31.500
Oh, damn.

835
00:39:31.559 --> 00:39:32.880
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

836
00:39:32.940 --> 00:39:36.420
All of that season one, Star Trek, the next generation.

837
00:39:36.480 --> 00:39:38.820
It does expose the danger, though, of that, right?

838
00:39:38.880 --> 00:39:41.400
of pumping these kids full of so much arrogance.

839
00:39:41.460 --> 00:39:42.480
Yep.

840
00:39:42.539 --> 00:39:43.079
Yeah.

841
00:39:43.139 --> 00:39:46.679
And you're gonna get that point of view because Boothby's aware of

842
00:39:46.679 --> 00:39:46.980
it.

843
00:39:47.039 --> 00:39:51.059
Like Boothby is the one that tells Picard that gives Picard the

844
00:39:51.059 --> 00:39:57.179
idea that Nick is being has tried to persuade them to lie.

845
00:39:57.239 --> 00:40:00.900
I can't imagine in a 1000000 years that Roddenberry would have let

846
00:40:00.900 --> 00:40:01.559
this script through.

847
00:40:01.619 --> 00:40:03.900
It even had a choice.

848
00:40:03.960 --> 00:40:04.860
Yeah, yeah.

849
00:40:04.920 --> 00:40:07.559
So...

850
00:40:07.619 --> 00:40:08.340
Oh my god.

851
00:40:08.880 --> 00:40:15.539
So everything that they're talking about now is about Josh

852
00:40:15.539 --> 00:40:17.519
planning for the future.

853
00:40:17.579 --> 00:40:22.380
Like, whenever they discuss Josh, they talk about the things that

854
00:40:22.380 --> 00:40:29.460
Josh did in order to work towards his goal of passing in Starfleet

855
00:40:29.460 --> 00:40:30.300
Academy.

856
00:40:30.840 --> 00:40:33.719
All of the dialogue, which is just about Josh, this is Josh and

857
00:40:33.719 --> 00:40:34.139
stuff.

858
00:40:34.199 --> 00:40:36.780
But it's all about this future that won't ever happen.

859
00:40:36.840 --> 00:40:39.119
And I just found that incredibly moving.

860
00:40:39.239 --> 00:40:44.099
Even the way that Wesley picks up the sweater and says, our trip

861
00:40:44.099 --> 00:40:45.480
you know, like our ski trip.

862
00:40:45.539 --> 00:40:47.760
It was the ski trip and he drops his voice.

863
00:40:47.820 --> 00:40:52.079
Well, it's sort of like the jumper is like, that's Wesley being

864
00:40:52.079 --> 00:40:53.159
kind to Josh.

865
00:40:53.219 --> 00:40:55.679
And now he's not.

866
00:40:55.739 --> 00:40:56.699
I don't know.

867
00:40:56.760 --> 00:41:00.719
All of it is just make him feel as guilty as possible, isn't it?

868
00:41:00.900 --> 00:41:05.699
But also, I think it makes the loss of Josh more palpable.

869
00:41:05.760 --> 00:41:08.579
Like it makes it mean more because you've got this person who's

870
00:41:08.579 --> 00:41:09.659
experiencing it.

871
00:41:09.780 --> 00:41:13.380
It does make, you know, does give us someone to be guilty about.

872
00:41:13.440 --> 00:41:14.519
We can't see Josh.

873
00:41:14.579 --> 00:41:18.119
We do see the flag at half staff every time we see an establishing

874
00:41:18.119 --> 00:41:18.480
shot.

875
00:41:18.539 --> 00:41:21.420
We're reminded of it. you know all of that.

876
00:41:21.480 --> 00:41:22.980
But also as well.

877
00:41:23.039 --> 00:41:25.980
I mean, it's like a gift when you can pull this off.

878
00:41:26.039 --> 00:41:30.300
It's a character that we never me that feels so rounded, just from

879
00:41:30.300 --> 00:41:31.019
what he's saying there.

880
00:41:31.079 --> 00:41:33.659
And it's not the usual bullshit backstory dialogue.

881
00:41:33.719 --> 00:41:35.280
It's he was really struggling.

882
00:41:35.340 --> 00:41:36.599
You helped him.

883
00:41:36.659 --> 00:41:37.860
He tried really hard.

884
00:41:37.920 --> 00:41:39.059
He got a chooser.

885
00:41:39.119 --> 00:41:42.360
He becomes like a fully formed person that we never fucking me.

886
00:41:42.840 --> 00:41:46.920
His his loss because he's overcome that adversity.

887
00:41:46.980 --> 00:41:48.119
It's even greater.

888
00:41:48.239 --> 00:41:49.920
But that's right.

889
00:41:49.980 --> 00:41:52.860
And because everything is about everything that the father is

890
00:41:52.860 --> 00:41:55.980
talking about is about the things that Josh wanted to do in the

891
00:41:55.980 --> 00:41:56.280
future.

892
00:41:56.699 --> 00:42:00.360
Without it being really obviously that, without it being really

893
00:42:00.360 --> 00:42:01.860
kind of, you know, cheesy.

894
00:42:01.920 --> 00:42:04.320
Fuck Will Wheaton is good in this episode.

895
00:42:04.380 --> 00:42:07.920
This is the Will Wheaton that was in standby me, you know.

896
00:42:07.980 --> 00:42:10.860
This is the sort of material we could have had on a regular basis

897
00:42:10.860 --> 00:42:11.699
if they bothered.

898
00:42:11.760 --> 00:42:15.119
And after that speech, we cut to the flag at half staff and

899
00:42:15.119 --> 00:42:17.099
establishing shot with the flag at half staff.

900
00:42:17.159 --> 00:42:20.639
Then we cut back and we're looking straight into Wesley's face in

901
00:42:20.639 --> 00:42:22.139
an uncomfortable way.

902
00:42:22.199 --> 00:42:23.940
The look on that falcan's face.

903
00:42:24.000 --> 00:42:26.280
He showed me the evidence, right?

904
00:42:26.340 --> 00:42:26.820
So good.

905
00:42:30.179 --> 00:42:34.800
I mean, some of these special effects are a bit, you know, it's

906
00:42:34.800 --> 00:42:38.219
very Babylon 5 CG there on the screen, but...

907
00:42:39.179 --> 00:42:42.000
It's probably their 1st attempt to really do that, isn't it?

908
00:42:42.059 --> 00:42:44.280
But because they're doing it on a small screen, they can kind of

909
00:42:44.280 --> 00:42:44.880
get away with it.

910
00:42:44.940 --> 00:42:47.519
Is it been tarted up for the new version or is this the old

911
00:42:47.519 --> 00:42:48.000
effects?

912
00:42:48.059 --> 00:42:50.400
No, it looked pretty much like that, I think.

913
00:42:50.460 --> 00:42:52.320
I really like.

914
00:42:52.380 --> 00:42:55.079
One of the things that I really like too is the solar system.

915
00:42:55.139 --> 00:42:58.079
You know, the fact that we talk about Titan and Memus.

916
00:42:58.139 --> 00:43:01.559
Um, you know, and we see Saturn in the background.

917
00:43:01.619 --> 00:43:02.519
I think that's terrific.

918
00:43:02.639 --> 00:43:06.360
Well, because they just don't do much of this, do they?

919
00:43:06.420 --> 00:43:09.659
Like we head around the universe, but we don't really head to

920
00:43:09.659 --> 00:43:15.420
earth and space, like the space that we know, you know, I think

921
00:43:15.420 --> 00:43:16.019
it's great.

922
00:43:16.619 --> 00:43:19.920
Because they know they can't really pull it off, you know, where

923
00:43:19.920 --> 00:43:22.440
they've got that filtration plan, but that's what it's cheaper not

924
00:43:22.440 --> 00:43:23.460
to do nowadays.

925
00:43:23.579 --> 00:43:26.099
We're back to work all the time in Kurtzman, Shrek, because we can

926
00:43:26.099 --> 00:43:27.000
afford to do it.

927
00:43:27.000 --> 00:43:29.099
Yeah, fancy season on earth.

928
00:43:29.219 --> 00:43:30.360
Yeah, yeah.

929
00:43:30.420 --> 00:43:33.000
Oh, Wesley, you lying through your teeth now.

930
00:43:33.239 --> 00:43:35.099
No.

931
00:43:35.099 --> 00:43:39.480
Well, he's not volunteering any new information.

932
00:43:40.139 --> 00:43:46.860
I just think, I just think, uh, Edna, as the dad, I just can't

933
00:43:46.860 --> 00:43:47.639
take my eyes off him.

934
00:43:47.699 --> 00:43:49.500
He's so good, isn't he?

935
00:43:49.559 --> 00:43:52.860
And having him sit next to Beverly in that China as well.

936
00:43:52.920 --> 00:43:55.500
Well, she's just all sitting there like a robot like usual, but

937
00:43:55.500 --> 00:43:56.039
you know.

938
00:43:56.159 --> 00:43:56.880
Yeah.

939
00:43:56.940 --> 00:43:58.920
Of course he's innocent.

940
00:44:01.980 --> 00:44:06.000
And this, you know, like having Wesley described the Jaeger loop

941
00:44:06.000 --> 00:44:09.300
and even acted out for our benefit as the audience.

942
00:44:09.360 --> 00:44:10.139
It's really great.

943
00:44:10.199 --> 00:44:16.019
Now he's here because both Brand and Satelk know what's in the

944
00:44:16.019 --> 00:44:20.699
satellite image that we're about to see, and you have her, and

945
00:44:20.699 --> 00:44:24.719
he's saying, I want you to be absolutely certain about what you're

946
00:44:24.719 --> 00:44:29.159
saying now, I want you to be careful, and she's concerned because

947
00:44:29.159 --> 00:44:32.699
she thinks that he's about to perjure himself.

948
00:44:32.760 --> 00:44:35.579
That's a lot. such a great rug, Paul.

949
00:44:35.639 --> 00:44:37.079
Yeah, yeah.

950
00:44:37.139 --> 00:44:40.199
Although, surely, wouldn't they know about these satellites

951
00:44:40.199 --> 00:44:41.639
recording data around here?

952
00:44:41.699 --> 00:44:44.340
Oh, no, but I think that's genius.

953
00:44:44.400 --> 00:44:47.579
I think that's absolutely superb that it's just a straight

954
00:44:47.579 --> 00:44:52.019
satellite that happened to catch them for a moment, way off in the

955
00:44:52.019 --> 00:44:52.199
distance.

956
00:44:52.260 --> 00:44:55.980
It wouldn't work anywhere near as good if it wasn't Wesley on the

957
00:44:55.980 --> 00:44:57.599
stand when this bit of evidence.

958
00:44:57.659 --> 00:45:01.079
It's bolder, you know, if it was one of the offers, it's got to be

959
00:45:01.079 --> 00:45:01.679
Wesley.

960
00:45:01.739 --> 00:45:02.340
Oh, yeah, yeah.

961
00:45:02.400 --> 00:45:03.480
No, it has to be Wesley.

962
00:45:03.539 --> 00:45:06.420
No, absolutely, it has to be. explain this, Mr. Crusher.

963
00:45:06.480 --> 00:45:07.440
Yeah, yeah.

964
00:45:07.500 --> 00:45:08.820
Yeah, absolutely.

965
00:45:08.880 --> 00:45:12.539
Those tight close-ops on his face, like, and on his.

966
00:45:12.599 --> 00:45:14.340
Yeah, yeah, yeah. on both of them.

967
00:45:15.000 --> 00:45:18.360
I mean, look at the look, she just gave Cito.

968
00:45:18.420 --> 00:45:19.980
You can see that.

969
00:45:20.039 --> 00:45:21.360
Oh shit.

970
00:45:21.420 --> 00:45:22.679
No, it's terrific.

971
00:45:22.739 --> 00:45:23.699
It's terrific.

972
00:45:23.760 --> 00:45:27.960
And look, like, she's really concerned.

973
00:45:28.019 --> 00:45:32.039
Like her response here, she's not trying to get him.

974
00:45:32.099 --> 00:45:34.380
She doesn't want him to do this.

975
00:45:34.440 --> 00:45:38.219
She's, you know, so Telecom looks like he relishes catching them

976
00:45:38.219 --> 00:45:39.840
out, but she doesn't.

977
00:45:39.900 --> 00:45:43.440
He's really concerned that his camera went even closer on his

978
00:45:43.440 --> 00:45:44.159
face.

979
00:45:44.219 --> 00:45:46.619
He was not afraid of that, that bloody lens at all.

980
00:45:46.679 --> 00:45:47.820
Always Beverly now.

981
00:45:47.880 --> 00:45:51.119
Yeah, and surely, analysing the flight recorder.

982
00:45:51.179 --> 00:45:53.519
Don't worry, Wesley, we're going to get you out of this.

983
00:45:53.519 --> 00:45:54.599
Look as if you were lying.

984
00:45:54.659 --> 00:45:55.559
Oh my god.

985
00:45:57.960 --> 00:46:01.440
Unfortunately, that's very artificial dialogue.

986
00:46:01.500 --> 00:46:04.320
As we've said, whenever Gangs gets artificial dialogue.

987
00:46:04.380 --> 00:46:06.360
She does sound rather like an Android.

988
00:46:06.420 --> 00:46:07.320
What is great?

989
00:46:07.380 --> 00:46:10.320
She's saying the data must have been tampered with and Wesley goes

990
00:46:10.320 --> 00:46:11.519
Mom, come on.

991
00:46:11.579 --> 00:46:13.079
Like, what?

992
00:46:16.260 --> 00:46:19.320
You're right, that wig is massive.

993
00:46:22.260 --> 00:46:25.500
How much hair is she actually got under that?

994
00:46:25.559 --> 00:46:26.400
I don't know.

995
00:46:26.460 --> 00:46:27.599
I don't know.

996
00:46:27.659 --> 00:46:29.880
We still haven't seen her stomach. you noticed?

997
00:46:29.940 --> 00:46:32.099
I think this was the season.

998
00:46:32.340 --> 00:46:34.199
I love this.

999
00:46:34.260 --> 00:46:36.960
Don't try to protect me and it's really only this time that it

1000
00:46:36.960 --> 00:46:40.380
occurs to me that he's dissuading her from doing what he is

1001
00:46:40.380 --> 00:46:40.800
doing.

1002
00:46:40.860 --> 00:46:45.179
You know, don't prioritise your relationship with me over the

1003
00:46:45.179 --> 00:46:45.480
truth.

1004
00:46:45.539 --> 00:46:50.219
He says, stay out of this, but the camera cuts away before Beverly

1005
00:46:50.219 --> 00:46:54.960
as a sort of an acting reaction of like, oh, maybe he is hiding

1006
00:46:54.960 --> 00:46:56.820
something, you know, like, yeah.

1007
00:46:56.880 --> 00:47:00.780
We do get a shot of her face when he tells the truth. sort of

1008
00:47:00.780 --> 00:47:01.679
hanging on the grass there.

1009
00:47:01.739 --> 00:47:04.199
This is a great location work they've done for this.

1010
00:47:04.320 --> 00:47:05.340
It really is, isn't it?

1011
00:47:05.460 --> 00:47:06.119
Yeah.

1012
00:47:06.179 --> 00:47:08.159
They really sell it, I think.

1013
00:47:08.219 --> 00:47:10.440
And it's a futuristic looking building. good.

1014
00:47:10.559 --> 00:47:13.679
And I think they choose the right shots. you know, where they put

1015
00:47:13.679 --> 00:47:16.739
the Golden Gate Bridge in and the flags and everything.

1016
00:47:16.800 --> 00:47:18.000
It's well done.

1017
00:47:18.059 --> 00:47:19.139
Yeah.

1018
00:47:19.139 --> 00:47:20.280
The 90s trek.

1019
00:47:21.360 --> 00:47:26.039
So, Again, it's great. isn't it too?

1020
00:47:26.099 --> 00:47:27.119
Because the other thing too.

1021
00:47:27.239 --> 00:47:31.739
Like, I mean, if it's not for this episode, we don't get Starfleet

1022
00:47:31.739 --> 00:47:33.179
Academy, do you think?

1023
00:47:33.239 --> 00:47:34.440
And this is the only time.

1024
00:47:34.500 --> 00:47:38.400
I mean, we have Starfleet Academy and Prodigy a little bit, but

1025
00:47:38.400 --> 00:47:41.280
basing a show on Starfleet Academy, I think, doesn't happen

1026
00:47:41.280 --> 00:47:42.719
without this episode.

1027
00:47:42.780 --> 00:47:45.599
I don't think we get lower decks without the episode lower decks

1028
00:47:45.599 --> 00:47:45.900
either.

1029
00:47:45.960 --> 00:47:47.280
That opportunity.

1030
00:47:47.519 --> 00:47:49.920
I saw a look at. absolutely.

1031
00:47:49.980 --> 00:47:50.880
Yeah for sure.

1032
00:47:50.940 --> 00:47:52.500
I think that they're both true.

1033
00:47:52.559 --> 00:47:56.280
So that makes some 2 of the most important episodes of the next

1034
00:47:56.280 --> 00:47:56.940
generation then.

1035
00:47:57.000 --> 00:48:00.480
Yeah, yeah, yeah. and Ms and Cetos in both of them.

1036
00:48:00.539 --> 00:48:01.980
Cadet Cito, as in both of them.

1037
00:48:02.039 --> 00:48:02.760
Oh, fuck.

1038
00:48:02.820 --> 00:48:05.400
Whenever we do that, lower decks, man, they're saying where

1039
00:48:05.400 --> 00:48:09.360
Picard's angry with her, it is an astonishing scene.

1040
00:48:09.420 --> 00:48:10.380
Heartbreaking.

1041
00:48:10.440 --> 00:48:14.820
It's so hard Um, so, yes.

1042
00:48:14.880 --> 00:48:16.559
See, what's happening there?

1043
00:48:16.619 --> 00:48:21.719
That's absolutely important, and he needs to hear this before he

1044
00:48:21.719 --> 00:48:24.599
can come to the conclusion about the Culvert Starburst in the next

1045
00:48:24.599 --> 00:48:25.019
scene.

1046
00:48:25.079 --> 00:48:25.800
Yeah?

1047
00:48:25.860 --> 00:48:29.880
He needs to hear from Boothby that they would follow him off a

1048
00:48:29.880 --> 00:48:30.539
cliff.

1049
00:48:30.659 --> 00:48:33.539
Yeah, that they would follow...

1050
00:48:33.539 --> 00:48:35.159
Like it's a bad thing over, is he?

1051
00:48:35.280 --> 00:48:38.880
No, but he does put it that way.

1052
00:48:38.940 --> 00:48:43.199
And so I think that Booth be as wise enough to suspect what's

1053
00:48:43.199 --> 00:48:43.559
happened.

1054
00:48:43.619 --> 00:48:48.360
It's just so great, though, that it's Picard making the

1055
00:48:48.360 --> 00:48:51.719
realisation rather than some dreadful fucking techno babble, they

1056
00:48:51.719 --> 00:48:54.000
could have pulled out of their asses to show that they were

1057
00:48:54.000 --> 00:48:54.239
lying.

1058
00:48:54.539 --> 00:48:58.679
And in fact, this, I actually think the techno babble here, which

1059
00:48:58.679 --> 00:49:03.179
is all stuff about how you fly one of these little ships, you know

1060
00:49:03.179 --> 00:49:05.400
like the interlock and all of that sort of stuff.

1061
00:49:05.460 --> 00:49:07.260
It all sounds plausible.

1062
00:49:07.320 --> 00:49:11.039
It sounds like you would describe how a car works and just them

1063
00:49:11.039 --> 00:49:14.699
thinking aloud, like data and Geordie thinking aloud, like no one

1064
00:49:14.699 --> 00:49:17.940
gives, no one does better techno Apple than LaVar.

1065
00:49:18.000 --> 00:49:19.920
I think this is a pretty good techno Apple scene.

1066
00:49:19.980 --> 00:49:20.579
Definitely here.

1067
00:49:20.639 --> 00:49:22.380
Does she get a line in this scene?

1068
00:49:22.800 --> 00:49:25.019
No, I don't think so.

1069
00:49:25.079 --> 00:49:28.980
But you see what I'm saying about how, you know, she's there at

1070
00:49:28.980 --> 00:49:31.920
the start and then she's there with Wesley and then she's in the

1071
00:49:31.920 --> 00:49:35.039
courtroom and then she's in his room and now she's here during the

1072
00:49:35.039 --> 00:49:36.960
investigation and then she just vanishes.

1073
00:49:37.019 --> 00:49:38.880
Then she disappears from the episode.

1074
00:49:38.940 --> 00:49:43.500
She does see, we see her seeing him tell the truth.

1075
00:49:43.559 --> 00:49:44.639
Right?

1076
00:49:44.699 --> 00:49:45.960
We do, can't tell me, actually.

1077
00:49:45.960 --> 00:49:48.239
I'm watching her, actually, in there and see if she sells it.

1078
00:49:48.300 --> 00:49:52.500
And there it is. ignite the plasma where he just suddenly looks up

1079
00:49:52.500 --> 00:49:56.280
and realises and he underplays it as well, but he suddenly looks

1080
00:49:56.280 --> 00:50:00.539
up, then we go to the ad break with that revelation. another actor

1081
00:50:00.539 --> 00:50:02.400
who's not afraid of an extreme close-up.

1082
00:50:02.460 --> 00:50:04.500
Oh my god, that's what they were trying to do.

1083
00:50:04.980 --> 00:50:08.340
And this is the best scene in the episode.

1084
00:50:08.400 --> 00:50:11.039
Absolutely. absolutely killer scene.

1085
00:50:11.099 --> 00:50:13.920
And again, you watch the register.

1086
00:50:13.980 --> 00:50:18.059
Like whenever we talk about the relationship between the 2 of us

1087
00:50:18.059 --> 00:50:22.380
and whenever we go military and say we're not doing that now, we're

1088
00:50:22.380 --> 00:50:23.159
talking about the truth.

1089
00:50:23.219 --> 00:50:24.059
It's so good.

1090
00:50:24.179 --> 00:50:27.119
I mean, basically, I could cut for all of the dialogue and, you

1091
00:50:27.119 --> 00:50:29.940
know, Picard's basically just saying, oh, fucking no, you are

1092
00:50:29.940 --> 00:50:30.360
lying.

1093
00:50:30.420 --> 00:50:32.820
You tell the truth or we are through.

1094
00:50:32.880 --> 00:50:35.699
Basically that's what he's saying in this scene.

1095
00:50:35.760 --> 00:50:39.780
But he's saying why it's important to tell the truth.

1096
00:50:39.840 --> 00:50:43.920
That's the thing because he knows that he's not telling the truth

1097
00:50:43.920 --> 00:50:45.960
because of his relationship with Nick.

1098
00:50:46.019 --> 00:50:48.239
He's talking about what's at stake.

1099
00:50:48.300 --> 00:50:52.500
Like, even that moment where, like, you invited to imagine that an

1100
00:50:52.500 --> 00:50:56.880
accident where 5 cadets died, and we've already seen the affair

1101
00:50:56.880 --> 00:51:01.739
very low key way on Starfleet Academy, you know, the effect that

1102
00:51:01.739 --> 00:51:05.099
Josh's death has had, we have, we remember it every time we go

1103
00:51:05.099 --> 00:51:05.639
outside.

1104
00:51:05.699 --> 00:51:07.619
All 5 of them.

1105
00:51:07.679 --> 00:51:12.300
Just the arrogance of thinking, you know, yeah, but we're the ones

1106
00:51:12.300 --> 00:51:13.019
that can do it.

1107
00:51:13.079 --> 00:51:14.760
We're the ones that can pull it off.

1108
00:51:14.820 --> 00:51:16.380
With the kids.

1109
00:51:16.380 --> 00:51:18.719
Oh, they're fucking idiots, aren't they?

1110
00:51:18.780 --> 00:51:20.639
But that is kids.

1111
00:51:20.699 --> 00:51:23.880
Like, that's absolutely understandable that kids would do that.

1112
00:51:24.599 --> 00:51:29.760
You are right then having a 27-year-old, it rather blunts the fact

1113
00:51:29.760 --> 00:51:30.420
that these are.

1114
00:51:30.480 --> 00:51:35.699
I mean, they get in child actors in valiant, but yeah, yeah, yeah.

1115
00:51:35.760 --> 00:51:39.539
As a writer, I can probably...

1116
00:51:39.659 --> 00:51:41.039
That's a result.

1117
00:51:41.099 --> 00:51:45.840
But the impact is more because they are clearly, you know, 18, 19

1118
00:51:45.840 --> 00:51:46.440
year olds.

1119
00:51:46.559 --> 00:51:48.179
Yeah, yeah.

1120
00:51:48.239 --> 00:51:51.059
No, Robert's too old for this.

1121
00:51:51.119 --> 00:51:54.599
You choose not to answer, but you've given an answer to the

1122
00:51:54.599 --> 00:51:55.019
inquiry.

1123
00:51:55.079 --> 00:51:58.440
I've always said, you know, when Avery's angry.

1124
00:51:58.500 --> 00:52:00.780
It's terrifying, but when Patrick's angry.

1125
00:52:00.840 --> 00:52:02.820
It's...

1126
00:52:02.820 --> 00:52:06.179
You can't tower over him like Avery, he does.

1127
00:52:06.239 --> 00:52:07.559
Listen to him.

1128
00:52:07.619 --> 00:52:09.840
I said it, the accident occurred during the loop, and it did.

1129
00:52:09.900 --> 00:52:13.559
Don't you fucking try...

1130
00:52:14.460 --> 00:52:18.119
But it's a live emission is still in a lot is still a lie.

1131
00:52:18.179 --> 00:52:23.280
You know, yes, you told the truth, but he didn't tell the truth.

1132
00:52:23.400 --> 00:52:24.360
He said, I have no idea.

1133
00:52:24.420 --> 00:52:27.360
You know, I don't know, you know, yes, we were still in a diamond

1134
00:52:27.360 --> 00:52:29.159
slot formation, you know.

1135
00:52:29.219 --> 00:52:32.880
It's no small order, you know, to hold your own against Patrick

1136
00:52:32.880 --> 00:52:34.380
Stewart in a scene on this.

1137
00:52:34.440 --> 00:52:37.679
Like, you know, like, look, yeah, maybe you say he's overrated.

1138
00:52:37.739 --> 00:52:38.880
He is a Shakespearean actor.

1139
00:52:38.940 --> 00:52:40.380
He's a good actor, you know.

1140
00:52:40.440 --> 00:52:41.460
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

1141
00:52:41.519 --> 00:52:44.159
But I think Wheaton is there, beat for beat.

1142
00:52:44.340 --> 00:52:49.260
But look at him saying, this is the relationship that I have with

1143
00:52:49.260 --> 00:52:49.559
you.

1144
00:52:49.619 --> 00:52:51.119
You knew every control.

1145
00:52:51.179 --> 00:52:52.739
I know how good you are.

1146
00:52:52.800 --> 00:52:54.840
I know how important you are.

1147
00:52:54.900 --> 00:52:58.380
I don't care because you have to tell the truth.

1148
00:52:58.440 --> 00:53:02.039
Our relationship, I'm not I'm not going to do what you're doing to

1149
00:53:02.039 --> 00:53:02.579
Nick.

1150
00:53:02.639 --> 00:53:03.960
I'm not going to protect you.

1151
00:53:04.019 --> 00:53:06.420
I will go in and tell the truth if you don't.

1152
00:53:06.480 --> 00:53:07.980
And that's what you should do.

1153
00:53:08.039 --> 00:53:11.219
You know, and it's so good.

1154
00:53:11.280 --> 00:53:12.719
It's so well done.

1155
00:53:12.780 --> 00:53:16.440
Do you not remember how many of these lunatic admirals we've met

1156
00:53:16.440 --> 00:53:16.980
over the years?

1157
00:53:17.039 --> 00:53:21.539
This is the 1st step to that, all right, by making this joint.

1158
00:53:21.599 --> 00:53:23.280
Well, yes, exactly.

1159
00:53:23.400 --> 00:53:24.599
Exactly.

1160
00:53:24.659 --> 00:53:27.059
Thinking that you're above the fucking law.

1161
00:53:27.719 --> 00:53:31.440
I'm gonna make this simple for you, Mr. Crusher.

1162
00:53:31.500 --> 00:53:32.219
Oh boy.

1163
00:53:32.280 --> 00:53:34.440
It's so good.

1164
00:53:34.500 --> 00:53:35.639
It's so great.

1165
00:53:35.760 --> 00:53:41.099
And look at his eyes wide and he just goes, captain. like as if

1166
00:53:41.099 --> 00:53:44.880
he's just going to, talk to you normally because I know you and he

1167
00:53:44.880 --> 00:53:45.480
just says, no.

1168
00:53:45.539 --> 00:53:46.079
Fuck off.

1169
00:53:46.139 --> 00:53:46.619
Get out.

1170
00:53:46.679 --> 00:53:49.500
You know, like, you're not going to talk to me like we're friends

1171
00:53:49.500 --> 00:53:51.179
or like I have a relationship with you.

1172
00:53:51.239 --> 00:53:53.099
You are just going to tell the truth.

1173
00:53:53.099 --> 00:53:54.239
And that's all.

1174
00:53:54.300 --> 00:53:57.300
And it's so, like you said, the structure is so dramatic because

1175
00:53:57.300 --> 00:54:01.619
you've had the scene, well, there's another one now where he's

1176
00:54:01.619 --> 00:54:05.280
really pushing on him, do it for your friends, you know, we're all

1177
00:54:05.280 --> 00:54:06.119
going down with you.

1178
00:54:06.179 --> 00:54:10.199
You've had the scene where he confronts the dad and the dad thinks

1179
00:54:10.199 --> 00:54:12.539
that his son's done terrible things.

1180
00:54:12.599 --> 00:54:15.719
So the stakes in both directions are there.

1181
00:54:15.780 --> 00:54:19.440
So whatever decision he makes, somebody loses out.

1182
00:54:19.500 --> 00:54:21.599
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1183
00:54:21.659 --> 00:54:22.199
Yeah.

1184
00:54:22.260 --> 00:54:23.579
It's really good, isn't it?

1185
00:54:23.639 --> 00:54:26.219
And the fact that this is just a series of 2 handers.

1186
00:54:26.340 --> 00:54:28.920
Like, there's just, this is all people in rooms talking because

1187
00:54:28.920 --> 00:54:30.000
that's all we can do.

1188
00:54:30.059 --> 00:54:31.380
It can be done though, right?

1189
00:54:31.440 --> 00:54:32.099
Be great.

1190
00:54:32.159 --> 00:54:33.000
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1191
00:54:34.559 --> 00:54:39.659
Yeah, so this, again, is him being browbeaten for not living up to

1192
00:54:39.659 --> 00:54:42.480
sort of moral standards, but they're different moral standards.

1193
00:54:42.539 --> 00:54:46.920
He wants to call Captain Picard a liar.

1194
00:54:46.920 --> 00:54:49.500
Well, I mean, he doesn't really.

1195
00:54:49.559 --> 00:54:51.599
They would have got away with it, wouldn't they?

1196
00:54:51.780 --> 00:54:53.880
They were about to get it.

1197
00:54:53.880 --> 00:54:57.539
So he stands up as the bell is still echoing.

1198
00:54:57.599 --> 00:54:59.940
So she rings the bell to end the inquiry.

1199
00:55:00.000 --> 00:55:02.639
We can still hear the bell and he stands up and says, I want to

1200
00:55:02.639 --> 00:55:03.420
add to my testimony.

1201
00:55:03.480 --> 00:55:06.900
So that demonstrates that they would have got away with it. how

1202
00:55:06.900 --> 00:55:08.159
dramatically we demonstrate.

1203
00:55:08.219 --> 00:55:10.980
The reactions between all the kids when he gets up.

1204
00:55:11.039 --> 00:55:15.179
Just the, the, again, nonverbal Cito, and they're all just looking

1205
00:55:15.179 --> 00:55:18.119
at each other like, oh, God, what is going to happen now?

1206
00:55:18.239 --> 00:55:23.099
It's just terrific But again, what he does for them is he does

1207
00:55:23.099 --> 00:55:24.059
them a favour.

1208
00:55:24.179 --> 00:55:26.639
You know, he does them a favour.

1209
00:55:26.699 --> 00:55:29.099
She's Cito wasn't going to be okay with it.

1210
00:55:29.159 --> 00:55:32.219
You know, and Cito pays for what she did.

1211
00:55:32.280 --> 00:55:34.980
And, you know, that gives her the strength to stand up to Picard

1212
00:55:34.980 --> 00:55:39.300
in lower decks and say, I did the wrong thing, and I paid for it

1213
00:55:39.300 --> 00:55:42.599
and I'm not going to be made to kind of constantly relive it or

1214
00:55:42.599 --> 00:55:43.380
relive it.

1215
00:55:43.440 --> 00:55:45.239
So shitty what he says.

1216
00:55:45.300 --> 00:55:48.719
It's such a, like, it's a pitch perfect writing for a bully.

1217
00:55:48.780 --> 00:55:49.739
You did this.

1218
00:55:49.800 --> 00:55:51.239
You're deciding that.

1219
00:55:51.300 --> 00:55:54.119
Who the hell are you to make these decisions for us?

1220
00:55:54.179 --> 00:55:59.460
Picard told you some story about duty and honour, you know, some

1221
00:55:59.460 --> 00:56:02.940
story, and that's enough for you to turn your back on your

1222
00:56:02.940 --> 00:56:03.300
friends.

1223
00:56:03.420 --> 00:56:07.260
But it's like, like a story about duty and honour.

1224
00:56:07.320 --> 00:56:11.639
He reminded you that it's honourable to tell the truth that it's

1225
00:56:11.639 --> 00:56:13.980
your duty to tell the truth in this...

1226
00:56:13.980 --> 00:56:15.059
Wow, in this circumstance.

1227
00:56:15.119 --> 00:56:17.519
I got you on this team. gave you a chance.

1228
00:56:17.639 --> 00:56:19.260
You owe me.

1229
00:56:19.320 --> 00:56:20.579
Yep.

1230
00:56:20.639 --> 00:56:21.360
Yeah.

1231
00:56:21.420 --> 00:56:23.219
So he's super manipulative.

1232
00:56:23.280 --> 00:56:26.219
Like he's really, and I think he plays it really well.

1233
00:56:26.280 --> 00:56:31.019
I think he plays obnoxious and unlikeable well if he's discovered

1234
00:56:31.019 --> 00:56:31.260
that.

1235
00:56:31.380 --> 00:56:35.340
Extremely well, especially when he's in a relationship, my word.

1236
00:56:38.519 --> 00:56:40.019
Oh, there you go.

1237
00:56:40.079 --> 00:56:43.860
Now he's, and I know, I know ultimately when it's all exposed, I

1238
00:56:43.860 --> 00:56:46.320
know Locano does do what Boofy says.

1239
00:56:46.380 --> 00:56:47.460
He does go down for the team.

1240
00:56:47.519 --> 00:56:48.599
He does take the blame.

1241
00:56:48.659 --> 00:56:49.380
He does say that.

1242
00:56:49.440 --> 00:56:53.820
But like, unfortunately, after the event, yeah.

1243
00:56:53.880 --> 00:56:58.440
Your true character is before the event before somebody else takes

1244
00:56:58.440 --> 00:56:59.460
the choice out of your hands.

1245
00:56:59.639 --> 00:57:04.800
And, and it makes, it reinforces that thing that you said before

1246
00:57:04.800 --> 00:57:10.380
where someone's going to lose and it matters that Nick loses, that

1247
00:57:10.380 --> 00:57:14.579
Nick at least does the right thing by his friends once he's in

1248
00:57:14.579 --> 00:57:18.239
that situation and says it was really basically me, and then he

1249
00:57:18.239 --> 00:57:18.900
walks away.

1250
00:57:19.019 --> 00:57:22.380
Three different ways he tried in that scene, Nathan.

1251
00:57:22.440 --> 00:57:22.920
Three ways.

1252
00:57:22.980 --> 00:57:24.599
First of all, it was like, who the hell are you?

1253
00:57:24.659 --> 00:57:27.599
Like trying to make him feel very small with an egg.

1254
00:57:27.659 --> 00:57:30.960
The 2nd thing is, I did deal this for you. you owe me And then the

1255
00:57:30.960 --> 00:57:34.679
3rd thing he tries is, well, fine, if you want to take the blame

1256
00:57:34.679 --> 00:57:38.699
for this, you do it. and let us get away scot free. every

1257
00:57:38.699 --> 00:57:40.260
direction of that conversation.

1258
00:57:40.320 --> 00:57:41.400
He was come.

1259
00:57:41.460 --> 00:57:44.280
Yeah, yeah, yeah, awful. just awful.

1260
00:57:44.760 --> 00:57:48.059
And this, like, look, she's not angry.

1261
00:57:48.119 --> 00:57:49.800
She's not angry.

1262
00:57:49.860 --> 00:57:54.059
She's not... to be this sort of mumsy type actress, didn't it?

1263
00:57:54.119 --> 00:57:56.340
They could look very concerned about them all the time.

1264
00:57:56.400 --> 00:58:00.719
Well, again, that's what we get with Holly Hunter in Starfleet

1265
00:58:00.719 --> 00:58:01.260
Academy.

1266
00:58:01.320 --> 00:58:02.159
Do you know what I mean?

1267
00:58:02.219 --> 00:58:07.139
Who's a kooky old lady who really cares about these kids.

1268
00:58:07.260 --> 00:58:11.400
There's a, there's a character who dies, like a, a student from

1269
00:58:11.400 --> 00:58:15.239
the war college dies in Starfleet Academy. a whole episode about

1270
00:58:15.239 --> 00:58:16.739
how that affects the kids.

1271
00:58:16.800 --> 00:58:21.059
And having her watch them go through it, you know, like it's

1272
00:58:21.059 --> 00:58:22.139
amazing.

1273
00:58:22.199 --> 00:58:26.219
And I think she's great and much more understated, much less, you

1274
00:58:26.219 --> 00:58:28.260
know, we've got much less time to get to know her.

1275
00:58:28.380 --> 00:58:30.059
But I think she really sells her.

1276
00:58:30.119 --> 00:58:31.679
Look at the Vulcan there.

1277
00:58:31.739 --> 00:58:34.320
He looks absolutely appalled that he couldn't get a guilty

1278
00:58:34.320 --> 00:58:35.519
conviction out of any of them.

1279
00:58:35.579 --> 00:58:38.699
He's still looking at them like, you know what, right?

1280
00:58:38.760 --> 00:58:44.400
I'll be watching a lot of you now But look, they look like Cito

1281
00:58:44.400 --> 00:58:45.719
looks really stricken.

1282
00:58:45.780 --> 00:58:47.760
Like she looks really upset.

1283
00:58:49.079 --> 00:58:51.420
Yeah, there we go.

1284
00:58:51.480 --> 00:58:54.059
Well done, Wesley.

1285
00:58:54.719 --> 00:58:59.159
And that's a great reaction from Picard there.

1286
00:59:00.239 --> 00:59:02.760
He's not relieved either.

1287
00:59:02.820 --> 00:59:03.659
Do you know what I mean?

1288
00:59:03.780 --> 00:59:05.460
Like, he's not particularly believable.

1289
00:59:05.519 --> 00:59:09.119
The camera's stating on the dad. whilst Wesley's telling the

1290
00:59:09.119 --> 00:59:09.300
truth.

1291
00:59:09.360 --> 00:59:10.739
Yep.

1292
00:59:10.800 --> 00:59:12.780
Yeah, I know. really good, isn't it?

1293
00:59:12.840 --> 00:59:14.340
It's just really good.

1294
00:59:14.400 --> 00:59:16.739
Oh, there's Beverly.

1295
00:59:19.860 --> 00:59:22.559
And the kids, Gene.

1296
00:59:22.619 --> 00:59:26.460
Like, Gene's not angry at him, you know, and Cito's really

1297
00:59:26.460 --> 00:59:27.000
stricken.

1298
00:59:27.059 --> 00:59:29.039
Like it's all just terribly well done.

1299
00:59:29.099 --> 00:59:31.559
And like he tells the dad.

1300
00:59:31.619 --> 00:59:33.360
He says, we thought we could do it.

1301
00:59:33.420 --> 00:59:34.679
We were wrong.

1302
00:59:34.739 --> 00:59:36.119
Yeah.

1303
00:59:36.179 --> 00:59:38.400
And Josh died, you know.

1304
00:59:38.579 --> 00:59:43.860
I do like the fact that he spells out he wasn't ready and we made

1305
00:59:43.860 --> 00:59:44.280
him.

1306
00:59:44.340 --> 00:59:46.079
We made him do that.

1307
00:59:46.079 --> 00:59:48.840
Because it wasn't a huge kindness down that.

1308
00:59:48.900 --> 00:59:49.380
Yeah.

1309
00:59:49.440 --> 00:59:50.460
Yeah, yeah.

1310
00:59:50.519 --> 00:59:52.019
Because that's what it's all about.

1311
00:59:52.079 --> 00:59:53.460
That was the important thing.

1312
00:59:53.579 --> 00:59:57.719
It's personal truth, you know, it's it's not just setting the

1313
00:59:57.719 --> 00:59:58.500
record straight.

1314
00:59:58.559 --> 01:00:02.699
It's not letting Josh's dad thing that think that Josh did

1315
01:00:02.699 --> 01:00:06.900
something that caused that nearly killed all of her.

1316
01:00:07.260 --> 01:00:08.099
Ultimately, Nathan.

1317
01:00:08.159 --> 01:00:11.639
I think thus more important than just telling the truth, you

1318
01:00:11.639 --> 01:00:11.760
know?

1319
01:00:11.760 --> 01:00:14.519
No, but because you're right, finally telling the truth is

1320
01:00:14.519 --> 01:00:15.900
important. though.

1321
01:00:15.960 --> 01:00:16.619
Do you know what I mean?

1322
01:00:16.679 --> 01:00:18.420
That's why telling the truth is important.

1323
01:00:18.480 --> 01:00:22.320
Um, I think, you know, I mean, do you remember?

1324
01:00:22.320 --> 01:00:24.059
We're in Home Front of Paradise Lost.

1325
01:00:24.119 --> 01:00:25.679
It's the red squad, isn't it?

1326
01:00:25.739 --> 01:00:28.139
They're the new Nova Squadron, the best of the best.

1327
01:00:28.199 --> 01:00:30.659
Noggs desperately trying to get in there.

1328
01:00:30.719 --> 01:00:33.000
He's going to Cisco and he's like, are you sure you really want

1329
01:00:33.000 --> 01:00:33.300
to?

1330
01:00:33.360 --> 01:00:33.659
you know?

1331
01:00:33.719 --> 01:00:35.280
Do you not remember what happened before?

1332
01:00:36.659 --> 01:00:41.159
And they're the ones doing the terrorist acts on behalf of the, you

1333
01:00:41.159 --> 01:00:43.019
know, mad admiral of the week.

1334
01:00:43.440 --> 01:00:45.420
Yes, yeah.

1335
01:00:45.480 --> 01:00:52.679
So, again, I think probably ending on Nick, just saying, no, I

1336
01:00:52.679 --> 01:00:57.420
have nothing to add, which is him, he's not, but he, of course he

1337
01:00:57.420 --> 01:00:59.820
does have something to add, we're just getting it narrated to us

1338
01:00:59.820 --> 01:01:00.780
by Picard now.

1339
01:01:02.579 --> 01:01:06.000
Would it have been better when we heard it if we've heard it from

1340
01:01:06.000 --> 01:01:07.500
his lips rather than afterwards?

1341
01:01:07.559 --> 01:01:11.039
So I wondered whether it would have been better to have Wesley get

1342
01:01:11.039 --> 01:01:13.380
up and say, I have something to add to my testimony.

1343
01:01:13.440 --> 01:01:17.519
And then we fade out, but I think absolutely no, we needed to see

1344
01:01:17.519 --> 01:01:17.940
him.

1345
01:01:17.940 --> 01:01:20.940
Look at those busts they put into the set.

1346
01:01:21.000 --> 01:01:25.920
I had to suggest we're in the ornamental gardens.

1347
01:01:25.980 --> 01:01:27.780
I'm sorry, to interrupt you.

1348
01:01:27.840 --> 01:01:30.300
But they were fast vanishing.

1349
01:01:33.000 --> 01:01:35.639
But yeah, proper consequences.

1350
01:01:35.699 --> 01:01:37.019
He feels guilty.

1351
01:01:37.079 --> 01:01:39.900
He feels bad. and he says, yes, you should feel bad.

1352
01:01:39.960 --> 01:01:41.099
I think that's great.

1353
01:01:41.159 --> 01:01:43.619
You're going to have a difficult time and you deserve it.

1354
01:01:43.679 --> 01:01:45.719
Everybody will know what you did.

1355
01:01:45.780 --> 01:01:46.980
Yeah, yeah.

1356
01:01:47.039 --> 01:01:50.699
You've gone for being the ones that everybody looks up to to the

1357
01:01:50.699 --> 01:01:53.460
ones that everyone sort of points at now in the gardens.

1358
01:01:53.519 --> 01:01:56.579
I love this relationship between Picard and Wesley.

1359
01:01:56.639 --> 01:02:01.079
Trust Romor to take something that was so cack-handed in season

1360
01:02:01.079 --> 01:02:05.820
one and to deliver this sort of dramatic worth out of the

1361
01:02:05.820 --> 01:02:06.360
relationship.

1362
01:02:06.420 --> 01:02:08.099
Bravo, sir.

1363
01:02:08.159 --> 01:02:11.940
Even when he gives Boothby's line to him as well.

1364
01:02:12.000 --> 01:02:13.679
You knew what you had to do.

1365
01:02:13.739 --> 01:02:18.119
I just gave you a push so that you would do it, which is what

1366
01:02:18.119 --> 01:02:20.880
Boothby says to Picard.

1367
01:02:20.940 --> 01:02:23.460
And so, you know, the 2 of them go off.

1368
01:02:23.519 --> 01:02:25.739
They're similar in the same way as they've had the same

1369
01:02:25.739 --> 01:02:26.639
experience.

1370
01:02:26.699 --> 01:02:29.699
Um, and so it does leave us.

1371
01:02:29.820 --> 01:02:32.579
It doesn't close things off eventually, they decide to close it

1372
01:02:32.579 --> 01:02:36.119
off in Journey's end, but it doesn't close off him having a

1373
01:02:36.119 --> 01:02:36.900
successful career.

1374
01:02:37.320 --> 01:02:41.940
I do also love that last special effects shop where it sort of

1375
01:02:41.940 --> 01:02:45.480
zooms out, but the way that Picard and Wesley just sort of walk in

1376
01:02:45.480 --> 01:02:48.059
opposite directions is so staged.

1377
01:02:48.119 --> 01:02:49.199
Yeah.

1378
01:02:49.199 --> 01:02:51.900
It's still not this trek, right?

1379
01:02:51.960 --> 01:02:54.780
Yeah, for all of the plaudits.

1380
01:02:54.900 --> 01:02:56.579
We rained upon it in the last hour.

1381
01:02:56.760 --> 01:02:59.400
It is still 90s television.

1382
01:02:59.519 --> 01:03:00.900
Yeah, yeah.

1383
01:03:00.960 --> 01:03:01.139
Yeah.

1384
01:03:01.199 --> 01:03:03.179
It's pretty great 90s television, actually.

1385
01:03:03.239 --> 01:03:08.460
I think this is a really strong example of what you call the

1386
01:03:08.460 --> 01:03:11.219
imperial phage of TNG.

1387
01:03:11.280 --> 01:03:14.579
And this was the sort of work that they were delivering.

1388
01:03:14.639 --> 01:03:19.980
I'd say every other episode in 4345.

1389
01:03:20.519 --> 01:03:25.619
I'm a bit more dodgy on six, but I certainly think in those middle

1390
01:03:25.619 --> 01:03:26.159
seasons.

1391
01:03:26.219 --> 01:03:26.639
Yeah.

1392
01:03:26.699 --> 01:03:32.460
You can see why at this point it was like storming the ratings

1393
01:03:32.460 --> 01:03:33.239
Charles, can't you?

1394
01:03:33.360 --> 01:03:35.820
Yeah, it's properly accessible.

1395
01:03:35.880 --> 01:03:37.019
It's really good.

1396
01:03:37.079 --> 01:03:41.099
That was so terrific and it really had something proper to say.

1397
01:03:41.159 --> 01:03:42.420
I just thought it was great.

1398
01:03:42.480 --> 01:03:45.599
And I liked it much better this time than I ever have before, I

1399
01:03:45.599 --> 01:03:45.780
think.

1400
01:03:45.840 --> 01:03:50.639
I think the only way for us to go with TNG in the future is, you

1401
01:03:50.639 --> 01:03:52.440
know, down somewhere terrible.

1402
01:03:52.500 --> 01:03:54.539
I don't think we're going to do.

1403
01:03:54.599 --> 01:03:55.440
Yeah.

1404
01:03:55.500 --> 01:03:57.900
We've already done, man.

1405
01:04:05.519 --> 01:04:09.360
All right, it's the end of the episode and it's time for us to

1406
01:04:09.360 --> 01:04:11.579
work out where we're going next.

1407
01:04:11.639 --> 01:04:12.840
This was my choice.

1408
01:04:12.900 --> 01:04:16.800
And so you have the helm of the Randomiser this time.

1409
01:04:16.860 --> 01:04:18.239
Where are we going?

1410
01:04:18.300 --> 01:04:21.119
I mean, we're on a three-way streak.

1411
01:04:21.179 --> 01:04:25.320
Oh, we're not next track at the moment. with timeless trials and

1412
01:04:25.320 --> 01:04:27.119
tribulations on the 1st duty.

1413
01:04:27.179 --> 01:04:29.940
Oh boy, well, my finger's on the pulse.

1414
01:04:30.000 --> 01:04:31.559
I'm going to press the button.

1415
01:04:31.619 --> 01:04:33.480
I've put in everything by the way.

1416
01:04:33.539 --> 01:04:34.920
I haven't done this for a while.

1417
01:04:34.980 --> 01:04:39.659
You know, I've been sort of indulging in choosing the seasons.

1418
01:04:39.719 --> 01:04:40.860
Now you've given me the option.

1419
01:04:40.920 --> 01:04:45.179
But I figure it's time, you know, to sort of have a good old look

1420
01:04:45.179 --> 01:04:45.539
like that.

1421
01:04:45.599 --> 01:04:48.599
Oh, well, the 1st one that comes up is one we've already done.

1422
01:04:48.659 --> 01:04:54.480
It's Space 9 is the Muse. much derided, but we enjoyed it.

1423
01:04:54.539 --> 01:04:56.159
I thought it was pretty good.

1424
01:04:56.219 --> 01:05:00.420
Yeah, your random Star Trek original series episode is season two

1425
01:05:00.420 --> 01:05:02.400
episode three, the changeling.

1426
01:05:02.460 --> 01:05:03.480
What's that about?

1427
01:05:03.539 --> 01:05:06.000
I think we've done that one, haven't we?

1428
01:05:06.059 --> 01:05:07.559
Oh, we covered this on.

1429
01:05:07.679 --> 01:05:09.179
What's that about?

1430
01:05:09.179 --> 01:05:10.679
Oh, episode 32.

1431
01:05:10.860 --> 01:05:12.000
It was quite a while ago.

1432
01:05:12.059 --> 01:05:14.760
Oh, yeah, it's not nomad, is it?

1433
01:05:14.820 --> 01:05:15.599
Yeah, yeah.

1434
01:05:15.659 --> 01:05:19.260
Oh, he had a wonderful string, didn't he?

1435
01:05:19.320 --> 01:05:19.920
Okay.

1436
01:05:19.980 --> 01:05:21.900
Your Star Trek?

1437
01:05:21.960 --> 01:05:24.539
No, I'm not doing this shit.

1438
01:05:24.599 --> 01:05:25.559
Oh, good golly.

1439
01:05:25.619 --> 01:05:28.739
No, you'll say yes, but I'm just gonna press it again.

1440
01:05:28.800 --> 01:05:32.340
Your random Star Trek Next Generation episode is season seven

1441
01:05:32.340 --> 01:05:34.980
episode 18, Eye of the Beholder.

1442
01:05:35.039 --> 01:05:36.780
Do you remember this one?

1443
01:05:36.840 --> 01:05:42.480
It's when Marina does one of her sort of Jessica Fletcher murder

1444
01:05:42.480 --> 01:05:45.659
mysteries and she's just started dating Worf.

1445
01:05:46.860 --> 01:05:48.420
Oh, okay.

1446
01:05:48.420 --> 01:05:51.960
She gets lots of sort of a bit of suspicions like voiceovers she

1447
01:05:51.960 --> 01:05:52.199
gets.

1448
01:05:52.260 --> 01:05:53.099
Okay.

1449
01:05:53.159 --> 01:05:59.400
Yeah, was when the ensign left the observation lounge at 1585, you

1450
01:05:59.400 --> 01:06:00.539
know, it's very bad.

1451
01:06:00.780 --> 01:06:03.780
How is it possible that I can't remember that at all?

1452
01:06:03.840 --> 01:06:06.119
I thought I knew TNG off my heart?

1453
01:06:06.179 --> 01:06:07.139
I do remember that.

1454
01:06:07.199 --> 01:06:07.800
It's an episode.

1455
01:06:07.860 --> 01:06:09.000
I've got no memory of that all.

1456
01:06:09.059 --> 01:06:13.320
Your random thick space, no one episode is season three, episode

1457
01:06:13.320 --> 01:06:15.599
23, family business.

1458
01:06:15.659 --> 01:06:19.199
Now that's um, that's the one where Court goes home for the 1st

1459
01:06:19.199 --> 01:06:24.480
time, uh, and we 1st meet Moogie in the 1st actress that plays her

1460
01:06:24.480 --> 01:06:27.719
and the only time, because she hated the makeup so much.

1461
01:06:28.260 --> 01:06:31.019
She has to be naked in that.

1462
01:06:31.079 --> 01:06:36.119
She has to take off, so I had to slap latex all over her back, her

1463
01:06:36.119 --> 01:06:37.500
arms, everything.

1464
01:06:37.559 --> 01:06:39.179
The poor cow.

1465
01:06:39.239 --> 01:06:40.980
Let's keep going now.

1466
01:06:41.039 --> 01:06:42.659
Oh, another one we've already done.

1467
01:06:42.780 --> 01:06:46.440
Your random Star Trek, next generation episode is season five

1468
01:06:46.440 --> 01:06:47.880
episode 9, a matter of time.

1469
01:06:48.000 --> 01:06:49.380
Oh, yeah.

1470
01:06:49.380 --> 01:06:53.039
Which we thought was all right, but not as good as we remembered

1471
01:06:53.039 --> 01:06:53.340
it being.

1472
01:06:53.400 --> 01:06:54.719
No, that's fair.

1473
01:06:54.840 --> 01:06:58.679
Ooh, it is a two-parter though.

1474
01:06:58.800 --> 01:07:00.539
Okay.

1475
01:07:00.599 --> 01:07:06.539
Your random Deep Space 9 episode is season one, episodes one and

1476
01:07:06.539 --> 01:07:07.079
two.

1477
01:07:07.139 --> 01:07:08.639
Episary.

1478
01:07:11.280 --> 01:07:16.980
You will discard your weapons and take us to sector 001.

1479
01:07:18.480 --> 01:07:21.000
How do you feel about two-parter, though?

1480
01:07:21.119 --> 01:07:22.920
I don't mind.

1481
01:07:22.980 --> 01:07:24.659
I'm happy to do a two-parter.

1482
01:07:24.719 --> 01:07:25.019
Why not?

1483
01:07:25.079 --> 01:07:28.500
I mean, we've done a lot of 7 so we can sort of, through the

1484
01:07:28.500 --> 01:07:30.480
comparisons of where everyone started off.

1485
01:07:31.139 --> 01:07:32.760
Yeah, yeah.

1486
01:07:32.760 --> 01:07:37.800
Sort of where Terry was all at sea and then I had the crazy sort

1487
01:07:37.800 --> 01:07:39.179
of mum hair. didn't she?

1488
01:07:39.239 --> 01:07:42.119
Yeah, yeah, terrible American lady hair, didn't she?

1489
01:07:42.179 --> 01:07:43.619
in that episode. really bad.

1490
01:07:43.679 --> 01:07:47.820
We can see what a 90 Star Trek episode looks like when it has $18

1491
01:07:47.820 --> 01:07:49.260
million thrown at it.

1492
01:07:49.320 --> 01:07:50.159
Yeah.

1493
01:07:50.159 --> 01:07:52.619
Well, mostly thrown out of the sets, really.

1494
01:07:52.679 --> 01:07:54.119
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1495
01:07:54.179 --> 01:07:55.320
Well, that's up to you.

1496
01:07:55.380 --> 01:07:56.639
I'm happy to keep pressing.

1497
01:07:56.699 --> 01:07:57.960
I think we should do it.

1498
01:07:58.079 --> 01:07:58.679
Why don't we do it?

1499
01:07:58.739 --> 01:07:59.400
I think that would be fun.

1500
01:07:59.460 --> 01:08:01.739
How many of these pilots have we done now?

1501
01:08:02.400 --> 01:08:08.159
So we have done no 90s Star Trek pilots.

1502
01:08:08.219 --> 01:08:09.900
Encounter at Farpoint?

1503
01:08:09.960 --> 01:08:12.539
No, caretaker, no.

1504
01:08:12.780 --> 01:08:15.000
Oh, broken bow, thank God we haven't done that one.

1505
01:08:15.480 --> 01:08:18.659
We haven't done the TOS one either, have we?

1506
01:08:18.720 --> 01:08:18.899
Yeah.

1507
01:08:18.960 --> 01:08:19.859
We haven't done it.

1508
01:08:19.920 --> 01:08:22.079
Well, it's not really, like, it doesn't really quite count.

1509
01:08:22.140 --> 01:08:27.479
We did the Stranger Worlds pilot, and we did the Starfleet Academy

1510
01:08:27.479 --> 01:08:27.960
pilot.

1511
01:08:28.079 --> 01:08:30.840
A little bit cheaper, special home there.

1512
01:08:31.020 --> 01:08:33.600
We have done the Picard one, have we?

1513
01:08:33.720 --> 01:08:37.680
Nope, we haven't done the lower decks one. discovery one. time

1514
01:08:37.680 --> 01:08:38.520
with your pilot, then.

1515
01:08:38.579 --> 01:08:39.960
We've done plenty of finale.

1516
01:08:40.020 --> 01:08:41.699
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1517
01:08:41.760 --> 01:08:42.239
Yeah, okay.

1518
01:08:42.300 --> 01:08:42.960
No, that's perfect.

1519
01:08:43.020 --> 01:08:43.500
Let's do that.

1520
01:08:43.560 --> 01:08:43.979
Okay.

1521
01:08:44.039 --> 01:08:48.060
Well, as usual, DS9, I'm sure I will have plenty to say.

1522
01:08:48.420 --> 01:08:51.000
Yeah, yeah, let's do it.

1523
01:08:51.060 --> 01:08:51.420
W wonderful.

1524
01:08:51.479 --> 01:08:52.079
Yep.

1525
01:08:52.140 --> 01:08:52.739
Can't wait.

1526
01:09:00.000 --> 01:09:03.899
You've been listening to entitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford

1527
01:09:03.899 --> 01:09:08.039
and Nathan Bottomley, where online at untitled Star Trek Project

1528
01:09:07.079 --> 01:09:10.319
com, where you can find subscription links and links to our social

1529
01:09:10.319 --> 01:09:11.399
media accounts.

1530
01:09:11.460 --> 01:09:15.239
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Ciceran, and the theme was

1531
01:09:15.239 --> 01:09:16.859
composed by Cameron Lam.

1532
01:09:16.920 --> 01:09:21.060
This episode was recorded on the 21st of April 2026 and released

1533
01:09:21.060 --> 01:09:22.619
on the 24th of April.

1534
01:09:22.680 --> 01:09:26.760
We'll see you next time for Star Trek Deep Space 9, Emissry.

1535
01:09:44.819 --> 01:09:46.680
Okay, I'm recording.

1536
01:09:46.739 --> 01:09:49.739
I'm going to try and do some something fancy with the sound as

1537
01:09:49.739 --> 01:09:54.359
well, because my Adobe Audition will go away when I leave school

1538
01:09:54.359 --> 01:09:58.500
and I'm trying to come up with a freeway of treating the sound.

1539
01:09:58.560 --> 01:10:00.060
It's a bit cleaner.

1540
01:10:01.079 --> 01:10:02.640
That...

1541
01:10:03.000 --> 01:10:06.359
Yes, go, E, right?

1542
01:10:09.479 --> 01:10:13.319
I only have I only have minor issues with this.

1543
01:10:13.380 --> 01:10:14.399
I do think it's good.

1544
01:10:14.460 --> 01:10:18.300
I do have a the Dr. Beverly stuff is very old.

1545
01:10:18.659 --> 01:10:22.680
I think that I think she can't hold it, but I've got a reason.

1546
01:10:22.739 --> 01:10:26.340
I've got a theory about what's going on there because I think this

1547
01:10:26.340 --> 01:10:30.239
is a really like even more timely episode than it ever was.

1548
01:10:30.239 --> 01:10:35.460
And I think like what Ronald D. Moore wanted to do is wrong.

1549
01:10:35.640 --> 01:10:38.880
And I think that this is a really, really strong and important

1550
01:10:38.880 --> 01:10:39.539
episode.

1551
01:10:39.659 --> 01:10:40.680
I don't know what he wanted to do.

1552
01:10:40.739 --> 01:10:42.600
Oh, I'll tell you what.

1553
01:10:43.020 --> 01:10:43.920
Yeah, yeah.

1554
01:10:45.000 --> 01:10:48.960
And, you know, it resonates a little bit now after Starfleet

1555
01:10:48.960 --> 01:10:52.560
Academy and there's things in it that I'm noticing this time that

1556
01:10:52.560 --> 01:10:56.460
I had never thought of before, which I think is a really

1557
01:10:56.460 --> 01:11:01.079
interesting minor theme to it, but I just think the overwhelming

1558
01:11:01.079 --> 01:11:05.100
theme, which is so interesting, which is touched on again by more

1559
01:11:05.100 --> 01:11:07.020
in, is it called Valiant?

1560
01:11:07.079 --> 01:11:07.739
Yeah.

1561
01:11:08.039 --> 01:11:12.239
I prefer Valiant, but I will explain why I do.

1562
01:11:12.300 --> 01:11:15.119
Yeah, but I think that this does a, this is doing something

1563
01:11:15.119 --> 01:11:18.899
different from valiant, but it is exploring something in the same

1564
01:11:18.899 --> 01:11:20.220
area sort of thing.

1565
01:11:20.279 --> 01:11:21.659
I mean, this one.

1566
01:11:21.720 --> 01:11:26.939
Um, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's, uh, and and I think there's some just

1567
01:11:26.939 --> 01:11:28.619
terribly good things in it.

1568
01:11:28.680 --> 01:11:29.699
Like just things that are.

1569
01:11:29.699 --> 01:11:31.739
Yeah, the dark is amazing, I think.

1570
01:11:31.739 --> 01:11:33.539
The scenes for the dad are great.

1571
01:11:33.600 --> 01:11:38.819
And just how, well, no, yeah, we'll talk about it.

1572
01:11:38.880 --> 01:11:40.319
But I think he's terrific.

1573
01:11:40.380 --> 01:11:43.500
I think the Boothby thing is a brilliant idea, like just what they

1574
01:11:43.500 --> 01:11:45.180
do with booth beers, excellent.

1575
01:11:45.239 --> 01:11:47.819
Well, it's unusual for them to set something up and then actually

1576
01:11:47.819 --> 01:11:51.000
see it, you know, deliver these dreadful exposition backstories

1577
01:11:51.000 --> 01:11:52.380
and actually meet someone.

1578
01:11:52.439 --> 01:11:54.000
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1579
01:11:54.060 --> 01:11:56.460
Because he's been mentioned a couple of times, I think.

1580
01:11:56.520 --> 01:11:57.779
It's not just...

1581
01:11:57.779 --> 01:12:00.060
It's the one where they go off in the shuttlecraft together.

1582
01:12:01.020 --> 01:12:02.399
No, there's another one as well.

1583
01:12:02.460 --> 01:12:04.140
I think in series two.

1584
01:12:04.199 --> 01:12:05.939
Is he mentioning that one?

1585
01:12:06.000 --> 01:12:08.880
Because Picard's talking about the academy a lot.

1586
01:12:08.939 --> 01:12:10.079
Yeah, he talks about the Norsicans.

1587
01:12:10.140 --> 01:12:11.340
He talks about the Nausicans.

1588
01:12:11.399 --> 01:12:12.960
Oh, yeah, they follow...

1589
01:12:12.960 --> 01:12:14.220
You follow us that up as well, doesn't he?

1590
01:12:14.279 --> 01:12:16.439
It's like there will be fucking consequences on this thing.

1591
01:12:16.500 --> 01:12:19.979
We'll find a thing that's cool and then develop it.

1592
01:12:20.039 --> 01:12:20.699
Like, it's great.

1593
01:12:20.819 --> 01:12:21.479
It's really good.

1594
01:12:21.539 --> 01:12:26.220
Oh, and if you're, um, if you're looking for a tag for this

1595
01:12:26.220 --> 01:12:32.880
episode, what I've seen this week about, um, you know, the new CEO

1596
01:12:32.880 --> 01:12:36.779
of Paramount, suggesting that we go back to the great days of

1597
01:12:36.779 --> 01:12:39.960
Jonathan Archer and Enterprise, have you seen?

1598
01:12:40.020 --> 01:12:40.979
No.

1599
01:12:40.979 --> 01:12:46.800
I, I, they're moving in a series with Bacula in it, back of Archer

1600
01:12:46.800 --> 01:12:50.819
and like, let go back to the glory days of loads of white men out

1601
01:12:50.819 --> 01:12:51.359
in space.

1602
01:12:51.720 --> 01:12:53.460
Good grief.

1603
01:12:53.880 --> 01:12:54.960
Get rid of all of this.

1604
01:12:55.199 --> 01:12:57.180
Holy shit, though.

1605
01:12:57.239 --> 01:13:00.239
Like, no one, they're kind of going, oh, go woke, go broke.

1606
01:13:00.300 --> 01:13:04.199
But all of kind of Hollywood entertainment is woke and like the

1607
01:13:04.199 --> 01:13:07.979
right wing stuff is weird, niche Christian crap that no one wants

1608
01:13:07.979 --> 01:13:09.960
to watch that has Kevin Sorbo in it.

1609
01:13:10.020 --> 01:13:12.359
Like no one's going to watch a Star Trek like that.

1610
01:13:12.420 --> 01:13:15.720
People were watching Academy, but no one's going to watch.

1611
01:13:15.840 --> 01:13:16.680
What were the numbers like?

1612
01:13:16.739 --> 01:13:17.340
Did they come out?

1613
01:13:18.119 --> 01:13:21.239
Yeah, it wasn't as good as they said and it was enough for them.

1614
01:13:21.300 --> 01:13:26.640
And I'm not I'm not entirely convinced that that it was because it

1615
01:13:26.640 --> 01:13:31.560
was too left wing that it got canned, although I think Gina Yasher

1616
01:13:31.560 --> 01:13:32.520
thinks it was.

1617
01:13:32.579 --> 01:13:36.420
It felt as if they've just been systematically shown it down.

1618
01:13:36.479 --> 01:13:37.380
Maybe it's money.

1619
01:13:37.680 --> 01:13:41.760
Yeah, well, that's it, and because the streaming's kind of gone to

1620
01:13:41.760 --> 01:13:42.060
hell.

1621
01:13:42.119 --> 01:13:44.819
I mean, Doctor Who was kind of victim to it as well.

1622
01:13:44.880 --> 01:13:46.920
So, I don't know.

1623
01:13:46.979 --> 01:13:47.819
I don't know.

1624
01:13:47.880 --> 01:13:50.760
There had been talk about an archer series called United, which

1625
01:13:50.760 --> 01:13:55.260
was going to be about the, um, you know, and he was moving it.

1626
01:13:55.319 --> 01:13:58.199
I don't think it ever got to any sort of stage or it's one of

1627
01:13:58.199 --> 01:13:59.640
those sort of fan speculations.

1628
01:13:59.760 --> 01:14:04.680
It's like, you know, Star Trek legacy of Star Trek that much that

1629
01:14:04.680 --> 01:14:07.439
we're looking back to the heady days of enterprise.

1630
01:14:07.560 --> 01:14:09.779
But I mean, that was the problem.

1631
01:14:09.840 --> 01:14:10.680
Do you know what I mean?

1632
01:14:10.739 --> 01:14:13.979
Like, you can understand once they get Picard.

1633
01:14:14.039 --> 01:14:17.760
Once they get Patrick Stewart and they can think, oh, we can get 5

1634
01:14:17.760 --> 01:14:18.779
seasons out of this.

1635
01:14:18.840 --> 01:14:19.560
Let's just do that.

1636
01:14:19.619 --> 01:14:20.460
That's incredible.

1637
01:14:20.520 --> 01:14:22.859
We've got Patrick Stewart and he's wanting to play Picard.

1638
01:14:22.920 --> 01:14:26.279
Let's whatever, whatever our plans were, put them on hold. lets do

1639
01:14:26.279 --> 01:14:26.460
that.

1640
01:14:26.520 --> 01:14:29.819
And it like turned out he could only do 3 seasons.

1641
01:14:29.880 --> 01:14:36.300
Um, uh, everything else that people want to fanwank about Star

1642
01:14:36.300 --> 01:14:40.380
Trek legacy and Star Trek year one is all just let's do the Star

1643
01:14:40.380 --> 01:14:41.760
Trek that we've already done.

1644
01:14:41.819 --> 01:14:46.380
And the thing about, and even Stranger Worlds, you know, because

1645
01:14:46.380 --> 01:14:47.760
that fan thing...

1646
01:14:47.760 --> 01:14:49.079
It was a safe band, wouldn't it?

1647
01:14:49.140 --> 01:14:52.260
Yeah, and they had a great cast and stuff like that was all kind

1648
01:14:52.260 --> 01:14:53.340
of working really well.

1649
01:14:53.399 --> 01:14:55.079
But it is a bit safe.

1650
01:14:55.140 --> 01:14:58.920
And so something like Starfleet Academy or something like prodigy

1651
01:14:58.920 --> 01:15:02.279
where they're doing something super new and super weird and

1652
01:15:02.279 --> 01:15:08.220
neither of them kind of end up landing is a big, like it's a huge

1653
01:15:08.220 --> 01:15:08.819
shame, I think.

1654
01:15:08.939 --> 01:15:11.640
Maybe it all sort of vanish for a little while.

1655
01:15:11.699 --> 01:15:14.819
Again, like it does, you know, we have these fits and spurs with

1656
01:15:14.819 --> 01:15:16.319
Star Trek and with Doctor Who.

1657
01:15:16.380 --> 01:15:19.560
And then it'll come back with the new discovery. you know, someone

1658
01:15:19.560 --> 01:15:23.100
going, oh my god, let's try this. totally out there version.

1659
01:15:23.159 --> 01:15:27.479
Yeah, which might be a complete distance away from what Kurtzman

1660
01:15:27.479 --> 01:15:28.140
Trek has been.

1661
01:15:28.199 --> 01:15:30.300
And maybe that's a good thing, you know?

1662
01:15:30.359 --> 01:15:32.159
there's a lot of it, right?

1663
01:15:32.220 --> 01:15:34.560
It's not like we're short-changed on Kurtzman trick.

1664
01:15:34.619 --> 01:15:35.579
There a lot of runtime there.

1665
01:15:35.640 --> 01:15:36.840
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1666
01:15:36.899 --> 01:15:37.260
Yeah.

1667
01:15:37.319 --> 01:15:38.460
Yeah, so we'll see.

1668
01:15:38.520 --> 01:15:42.119
I mean, it'd be nice if, you know, it wasn't ending, but...

1669
01:15:42.119 --> 01:15:44.640
It's just sad that when you look at the runtime compared to 90s

1670
01:15:44.640 --> 01:15:47.039
trek, you know, it's like one tenth.

1671
01:15:47.640 --> 01:15:48.600
That's right.

1672
01:15:48.659 --> 01:15:50.279
It's just so much to me.

1673
01:15:50.340 --> 01:15:51.720
Jesus Christ.

1674
01:15:53.039 --> 01:15:55.439
At least a 3rd of it was good.

1675
01:15:55.500 --> 01:15:57.119
Yeah, that's right.

1676
01:15:57.239 --> 01:15:58.800
That's right. including these.

1677
01:15:59.939 --> 01:16:02.460
Okay, come on, let's do this.

1678
01:16:02.520 --> 01:16:04.680
Let's do this. us do the thing.

1679
01:16:07.739 --> 01:16:09.539
Hey, Joe. Hi.