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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So, we are back.

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It's Deep Space 9 and for the 2nd episode in a row, we are doing series 5, episode 6 last time we did.

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Episode 6 of Voyager.

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And this week at series 5, episode 6 of Deep Space 9, which is trials and tripleations.

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It 1st aired on the 4th of November 1996 as part of the celebration of the 30th anniversary of Star Trek.

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And we have already talked about it on the podcast because, of course, we have done, um, trouble with tribles in episode 53, I think, of untitled Star Trek project.

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So I already know what you think of this.

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What, this episode or the original episode?

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Well, this episode.

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Did I say in that episode what I thought of this episode?

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Yeah, we talked about, we talked about it a lot.

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I mean, I did just say what are the odds of us doing too, season five, episode six.

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I think the odds were about one to one because I manipulated the randomiser to such an extent that I chose the season and I kind of knew the episode and I kept pressing that button until I got it.

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I've got something to confess to you now.

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I do not regret that one bit.

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Because I've already watched this episode several times this week and enjoyed the hell out of it every single time.

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It's really great, isn't it?

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I really like it a lot.

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In a way, I think I think there's some thing to be said for saying that the original is pretty damn special, and I think the reason for that is that it's the 1st time that we just do an out and out comedy and it's really, really successful, and it's not just the tribbles that are the thing, it's really everything, and particularly it's Shatner and Nemoy are both really great in that episode.

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Shatner is astounding.

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And this is not that.

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Like, this isn't trying to recapture that exactly.

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But what it is, is sort of an agreeable romp in the background of that episode.

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And so we have the sort of thinnest possible plot, don't we?

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Like, um, um, put a bomb in a triple. which is just absolute genius.

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And in fact, what is great about it is that it ups the stakes and it changes the nature of what's going on in the scenes from trouble with shrivels that we're watching.

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And there's a real sense too, in which this is them doing what they can do with some fairly new technology and then inventing a story around what they're able to do.

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And it works really well.

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It does have to be held up by having a framing narrative and by having Cisco kind of step in and narrate the steps between the scenes that we see.

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Oh, come on.

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The fact that temporal investigations exist at all, it's just...

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It's so great.

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And so that's a really, really funny opening scene and just a brilliantly funny and clever closing scene.

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Like it's so, so tremendously good.

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And so you can't object to that at all.

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Like, that's, that's...

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I've heard people object to how thin the plot is and how ridiculously simple it is to go back in time and things like that.

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I'm like, if you want all of these goodies, we have to get there, all right, and I'd rather that than some laborious technobabble explanation. absolutely.

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They do such a good job.

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They do such a terrifically good job of just setting up a very simple plot.

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We travel back in time through the orb of time, which turns up in a way that's completely consistent with the show's premise and means that we don't have to faff about with an explanation for how we travel back in time.

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There's only one time in the past when we've done time travel episodes where it's been even more brief than this.

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So that was Assignment Earth.

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Do you remember when they were just like, well, we just went back in time and it's just the open scenes, right?

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We can do that.

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Okay.

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You know, at least we use the all pier, you know, it's only going to set up a part of the show.

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And then you get like the, they've managed to get Charlie Breal back to play on Darvin through the most amazing coincidence in the history of Star Trek.

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And he's great.

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Like, he's really great.

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He's actually much, much more fun in this than he is in trouble with Tribbles, where it's a very sort of reserve performance.

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And this is much, much more fun and much more genial.

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He's out for revenge.

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It's all very obvious what he wants.

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We have to scan the enterprise.

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We have to scan the station.

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We capture Arn Darvin.

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He gives up his plan immediately because the plan is so brilliant.

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Conceal a bomb in a triple in an episode where there's 100, like 100, 151,000 or whatever, that number.

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That's got in every single one.

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Which one's the problem?

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He can just tell them what his plan is because he just doesn't care.

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They've got no hope of finding it.

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It's so fun, but what it allows is just all of these terrific scenes about Star Trek, like just original trek and how much we love it, but just scenes to where we see the characters all interact. everyone's on the defiant.

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And so everyone has things to do.

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We pair characters off.

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We have just a hell of a lot of fun.

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The genius of this.

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It is a love letter to TOS. whilst showing you all of the best elements of Deep Space 9.

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And I'm so pleased they waited till season 5 or postseason 4 because this is the point where all of the relationships in the show have matured and are reaping rewards.

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It's the point where all of the actors are comfortable in their roles and confident.

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And so you give them lines like this and you give them situations as absurd as this and they just run with it.

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I mean, Terry Farrell in this episode. is just heaven, isn't she?

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Lusting off the spot the way she does.

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Well, in fact, what's really great about that is because she plays the oldest character, you know, the character who's the oldest.

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And so she's someone who lived through, what we call the era of those old scientists, and she remembers it.

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We didn't, we determined.

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She was born in 96 or something in a recent episode, you know?

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Yeah, yeah, that's right.

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That's right.

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We did work out.

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So she's alive now, I think, probably.

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But she remembers it.

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And so she sees it like a Star Trek fan sees it someone who watched it.

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There were people like us watching Deep Space Night who hadn't come to it through original Trek, but there were people who had seen original Trek, and she's taking their viewpoint.

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And the moment where she gets out the tricorder prop and she's stroking it.

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It's got like what looks like a little cathode ray TV in it and she's talking about the classic 1960s design of it, although she calls it the 23rd century design.

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You and me talking about the original series.

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Absolutely.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly right.

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Exactly right.

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Now, because we're more familiar with it.

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And so she is watching it as a Star Trek fan, someone who loves Koloth.

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You know, we met him in season 2 of Space 9.

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Yeah, yeah.

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So we already know about him.

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All of that stuff is so enjoyable and she just looks so magnificent in the in the uniform, everything, just gray.

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On top of that, I think it's genuinely very funny as well.

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And, you know, we've often said that DS Night is the only show that really nails comedy in 90s trek.

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And I think that the best writers of the comedy, and that's Ron Moore, Ira bet.

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They're all in here, aren't they?

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They're all in it, right in lines.

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They're all massive fans of the original series.

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So they know what they're talking about, but they're all invested in the DS9 characters as well.

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So, you know, forgive me, it seems like your flaps open and that scene between a Brian and Bashir in the turbo lift.

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All of that stuff is just gold.

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I mean, we're not going to have trouble watching this thing, are we?

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No, no, not at all.

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It's terrific stuff.

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It's really really great.

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What I think is very rare is that this episode was highly anticipated.

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I remember.

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I was a massive fan of DS9 at this point.

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I remember DreamWatch doing a huge feature on the special effects of like the green screen and stuff and pitches were coming through with like Avery and Terry against blue backdrops and I was going, oh God, no, is this going to work?

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How are they going to do this?

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Because I hadn't really seen anything quite like that before.

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And then when it came out. everybody. everybody loved it.

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It got exactly the response they wanted, and now it sort of lingers on everybody's kind of top 10 list.

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It was a huge win for him, wasn't it?

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It was a risk, but it was a massive win.

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So they actually spend quite a lot of time making the sets.

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I mean, we had had an Enterprise bridge, obviously, in relics, but this is remade and vastly superior to the one that we see.

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I just love wonderful.

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I love Avery just there scanning the ship for bombs with that panel of coloured lights in front of him, which I just wanted to sit there and play with those.

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They looked amazing.

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Like it looks so...

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Every time we go back to the defiant, I go, oh, this is so boring.

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Get back to the...

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Yeah, yeah.

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I mean, it looks amazing.

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It just looks incredible.

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And and it's really faithful.

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It's actually surprising how little they use the, um, you know, matting people into old footage.

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There's not as much of it as you think.

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There's a lot more intercutting between the original footage and footage that's especially shown on the new sets.

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The director is Jonathan West, who does a bunch of other deep space nines, and he was a cinematographer before them.

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And so he's actually using different film and different camera lenses and lighting things differently in order to make sure that it's seamless and it nearly is, I think.

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I can see in my mind's eye other Jonathan West directed episodes.

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He did the adversary, which is visually really good.

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He did wrong, darker than death and night, and insisted on having the sun coming through the windows because back in time, you know, Bajor and the station are right next to each other.

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So visually, I mean, the attention to detail had to be perfect here.

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Remember, we're dealing with Star Trek fans, okay?

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Yeah, yeah.

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They've all got the manuals, you know, they'll have them all out going, did they get it all right?

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Okay.

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And and, you know, like essentially, they have them wander around the ship and they don't interact with the characters very much.

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The tribbles aren't in it as much as you would think.

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The tribles really only sort of come into their own, maybe 15 minutes before the end of the episode, and you aren't wondering where they are.

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It's, I don't know.

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I just think it's terrifically, terrifically well done.

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And the technology, which was just developing.

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It was used in the Mambo Kings in 1992 and in Forest Gump in 1994.

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And this is 1996.

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You know, they can do it on a TV budget.

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It was the most expensive episode of Star Trek at that point, I think, all the way to the end of the season.

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But it was worth it.

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It was absolutely worth it.

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I said to you in a message as well. that I think, I don't think there's another DS line comedy that feels quite like this one.

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The Ferengi episodes are usually sort of quite bawdy and a bit political.

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Stuff like, oh man, Bashir, it's stylish as hell, but all a bit obvious.

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Whereas there's a delicacy to this.

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A gentleness to this.

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I really, really like the DS9 doesn't lean into too often, but because it's a massive nostalgia fest.

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Of course they're going to go there with this.

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And I think that I think the other thing to do was to make sure that you were looking at Star Trek, the TV show, that this wasn't about nostalgia for the 2260s or whatever.

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Do you know what I mean?

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Like it was actual proper nostalgia for the TV show that they were celebrating.

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And so when Voyager does its 30th anniversary thing, It fails to engage with a TV show in any kind of worthwhile way?

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squeeze a story in between a gap in continuity in Star Trek 6 by bringing back Bryce Lee Whitney to deliver more than expository scenes.

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I mean, there's things about flashback that are good, though.

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They do recreate those sets of the Excelsior and things like that.

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Yeah, but it's compared to this.

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It's such a half-assed Star Trek episode, you know?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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That wasn't the most expensive Star Trek episodes today.

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I'm telling you that now.

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Almost certainly not.

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I'm gonna get my one issue with the episode out of the way before we press play because frankly, I just want to say nice things about this.

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Okay, good.

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And that is Kira.

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And so I'm blaming Sid entirely for this, for making her pregnant.

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So they didn't want to squeeze her into one of those original series episodes.

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And there's so many interviews where Nanar goes, you better believe I got on that piano and some fever.

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I didn't get anything to do in the triple episode, for God's sake.

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She's heavily pregnant at this point.

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And so she's stuck on the defiant playing about with the orb of time or something like that.

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And I would have loved to have seen her sort of early season 4 with a Farrah false haircut that she had.

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That's my only real issue is that Kira doesn't get to join in the fun.

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But, you know, she's pregnant.

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Yeah.

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All right.

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Well, I think we should go in then in that case.

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Let's do it I will count us in.

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Five, four, three, two, one, and we're off.

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Okay, so the Defiant.

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No, it's not the Defiant.

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It's, it's, oh, it's, okay.

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It's the, uh, it's temporal investigation. temporal investigation.

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Dalmer and Lustley.

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Yes.

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And so this is my problem with the episode.

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Oh, come on.

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Why is not why isn't one of them a woman?

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Oh, okay.

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Yes, yeah, fair enough.

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Because they're kind of a comedy double act, aren't they?

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Like, they're wearing pinstripes?

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You know, they're wearing pinstripes.

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So they're bureaucrats, you know, from the Federation.

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Uh, and they are properly funny.

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I did love...

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She's playing off a look from Nanar as well.

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I mean, the idea the idea of triple investigations is funny.

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The idea of when they hear Kirk's name, his name, 13 separate temporal violations.

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17.

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Oh, is it?

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Jesus Christ.

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Yeah.

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And and and the fact that they're sick of all these sort of time loop bullshit themselves.

221
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Do you know what I mean?

222
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They're having to investigate this stuff all the time.

223
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And it's kind of like, yeah, don't tell us it's a predestination paradox. hate those.

224
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Basically, you and me watching time travel episodes of Star Trek going, oh, we've heard all this bullshit before, for God's sakes.

225
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Yeah, exactly.

226
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Exactly.

227
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Oh, he goes.

228
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Francisco goes, it may take some time. that a joke?

229
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No.

230
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Good.

231
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We hate those two.

232
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Yeah, that's right.

233
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And we're getting the orb explained to us as well, which I think is actually really good because this is a person who knows about it explaining it to someone who doesn't know about it.

234
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It's not just regulars explaining orbs to each other, which would be kind of terrible.

235
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Um, and so this framing sequence, apart from giving us these 2 guys, uh, and giving us the brilliant ending that this episode has also lets us kind of skate over a lot of crap because they're limited in what they can do because they're structuring this around an existing episode and what they can afford to do with it is Charlie.

236
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Charlie Bro.

237
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Human.

238
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He's almost unrecognisable.

239
00:17:13.140 --> 00:17:15.480
Like, it's like, you know, they got someone else to...

240
00:17:15.539 --> 00:17:17.279
I didn't recognise him when I 1st saw it.

241
00:17:17.339 --> 00:17:18.480
I mean, it took me a while.

242
00:17:19.079 --> 00:17:27.180
And when you see him, you know, he is so contained, you know, and and it's not just age.

243
00:17:27.240 --> 00:17:31.380
It's, I described him, I think, in our episode.

244
00:17:31.440 --> 00:17:37.619
I described him as being a bit more lived in, like his face is just a little bit more lived in, a little bit more animated.

245
00:17:37.680 --> 00:17:40.380
It's a really fun and funny performance.

246
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He's a comedian.

247
00:17:41.339 --> 00:17:48.839
You know, like he's, he's, he's playing much more to type than he does in the original Star Trek as well, Nathan.

248
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I deal with gemstones, kivas, and trillium, mostly, which is what he said in...

249
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No, trouble trickles.

250
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Oh, God.

251
00:17:56.279 --> 00:17:57.480
Well we'll do that again.

252
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Oh, certainly.

253
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Here's the lilac line.

254
00:18:01.799 --> 00:18:03.000
Oh, so funny.

255
00:18:03.059 --> 00:18:04.619
If I look on wharf's face.

256
00:18:04.680 --> 00:18:05.880
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

257
00:18:05.940 --> 00:18:06.720
Just for a second.

258
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Oh, I smell like lilac.

259
00:18:09.359 --> 00:18:15.240
And then O'Brien goes, just sniff the air next time and you see him and go, is that lilac?

260
00:18:18.539 --> 00:18:21.779
And then Dax goes, oh, don't.

261
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I've got my own ways to punish war.

262
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Torture warf.

263
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No, to torture my own place of torture.

264
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She does.

265
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I bet she bloody does.

266
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Oh, yeah.

267
00:18:31.200 --> 00:18:31.859
Of course.

268
00:18:31.920 --> 00:18:34.859
Looking for Pomok was 2 episodes before this.

269
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Ah, yeah.

270
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I just started fucking together.

271
00:18:37.859 --> 00:18:43.259
Okay, now we get the glowy orb glowiness, like it's telltale orb glowiness.

272
00:18:43.319 --> 00:18:48.779
Those of us who've watched Deep Space 9 will know that that's orb shenanigans happening, which is quite well done.

273
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You just get a single line from O'Brien about the energy around the ship or something and that's it.

274
00:18:55.680 --> 00:18:56.279
Yeah, yeah.

275
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But also, what's interesting too, is that what's showing on the view screen on the Defiance viewscreen is TV static.

276
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Do you know what I mean?

277
00:19:05.579 --> 00:19:08.640
We're about to tune into a television program.

278
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My God, it's an episode of the original series.

279
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That's right.

280
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That's it.

281
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And even the music goes.

282
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It's terrific.

283
00:19:20.579 --> 00:19:23.099
It looks so sexy as well.

284
00:19:23.160 --> 00:19:24.240
Doesn't it?

285
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Good, beautiful, Sean.

286
00:19:26.339 --> 00:19:30.420
It's nice seeing it from below. you know, like you might in the films.

287
00:19:30.480 --> 00:19:33.359
Yeah, it was just sort of zoomed past, didn't it?

288
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In the original series.

289
00:19:34.740 --> 00:19:38.759
Well, in the animated series, it sort of came in horizontally.

290
00:19:38.880 --> 00:19:40.559
No, there's one.

291
00:19:40.619 --> 00:19:41.160
Don't you remember?

292
00:19:41.220 --> 00:19:46.680
one where they're clearly, laboriously drawing each frame of it as it turns around the corner in the opening credits.

293
00:19:46.740 --> 00:19:51.720
When it goes in a straight line, it's the funniest thing.

294
00:19:53.160 --> 00:19:57.359
I wonder if they could have done something with the music, the title music.

295
00:19:57.420 --> 00:20:13.859
I know it's not a Duke Space 9 episode, but so they had wanted to do closing credits where it was like stills from the show, like, you know, and it's Baylock, and it's, you know, like they had wanted to do special credits for it, but they weren't allowed to.

296
00:20:13.920 --> 00:20:18.720
And they were told, this is run so far over budget. doing extra.

297
00:20:18.779 --> 00:20:22.380
I would have just taken reaction shots throughout the episode.

298
00:20:22.440 --> 00:20:24.900
You know, Dax at the start there when she went, oh, my God.

299
00:20:24.900 --> 00:20:26.700
But then you would have a Baylock at the end, right?

300
00:20:27.599 --> 00:20:31.319
Or the bone bar or something really terrible.

301
00:20:31.980 --> 00:20:35.880
Look how terrible the aliens have got since the 60s.

302
00:20:36.000 --> 00:20:39.240
Oh, I mean, just that though, right?

303
00:20:39.299 --> 00:20:41.339
Just the glowing energy.

304
00:20:41.460 --> 00:20:42.660
Oh, we're in the past.

305
00:20:42.720 --> 00:20:43.500
Perfect.

306
00:20:43.619 --> 00:20:44.460
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

307
00:20:44.519 --> 00:20:45.539
It's perfect.

308
00:20:45.599 --> 00:20:46.200
Yeah.

309
00:20:46.259 --> 00:20:47.400
No, no.

310
00:20:47.460 --> 00:20:49.019
You just don't need...

311
00:20:49.079 --> 00:20:50.099
Why would you need anything else?

312
00:20:50.160 --> 00:20:52.799
Techno Bubble has, that is flash.

313
00:20:52.859 --> 00:20:53.819
That is flashback.

314
00:20:53.940 --> 00:20:57.420
Shoebox getting this image of a girl falling off a cliff.

315
00:20:57.480 --> 00:20:57.960
Do you remember?

316
00:20:58.019 --> 00:20:59.039
Oh, yes.

317
00:20:59.039 --> 00:21:00.420
Help me, Tuvok, help me.

318
00:21:00.480 --> 00:21:05.279
And they're sort of going through all the Tetla babble throughout the episode to try and figure out what this is all about.

319
00:21:05.339 --> 00:21:06.660
Who cares?

320
00:21:07.259 --> 00:21:13.259
They do a very lower decks, little moment of technobabble here, which I'll try and remember to point out.

321
00:21:13.859 --> 00:21:16.680
And I think you might even know what it is.

322
00:21:16.740 --> 00:21:21.660
We have like 5 minutes of them figuring out, oh, so this is a plot, that TV episode from the past.

323
00:21:21.720 --> 00:21:24.480
Let's get in the uniforms now and have some fun.

324
00:21:24.539 --> 00:21:26.220
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

325
00:21:26.279 --> 00:21:27.059
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

326
00:21:27.119 --> 00:21:29.099
And it is just hang time.

327
00:21:29.160 --> 00:21:29.519
Again.

328
00:21:29.579 --> 00:21:30.359
Okay.

329
00:21:30.420 --> 00:21:34.680
So there have been 6 enterprises, according to one of them.

330
00:21:34.799 --> 00:21:39.480
And it's not the NXO one, which wasn't even a glint in their eye.

331
00:21:39.539 --> 00:21:43.140
It's that 1st contact comes out about 2 weeks after this.

332
00:21:43.200 --> 00:21:43.859
Okay.

333
00:21:43.980 --> 00:21:45.000
All right.

334
00:21:45.059 --> 00:21:45.420
Yeah.

335
00:21:45.539 --> 00:21:47.400
The man was a menace.

336
00:21:48.420 --> 00:21:50.400
Captain Kirk.

337
00:21:50.460 --> 00:21:52.019
Always enough.

338
00:21:52.019 --> 00:21:52.619
I loved.

339
00:21:53.099 --> 00:21:54.359
I love what nerds they are.

340
00:21:54.420 --> 00:21:55.920
He says the Stardate.

341
00:21:55.980 --> 00:22:03.119
They say how far back in time it was that the guy says on Friday, which is just... look how great K7 looks.

342
00:22:03.240 --> 00:22:05.339
They had to rebuild it.

343
00:22:05.400 --> 00:22:06.960
It's terrific.

344
00:22:07.019 --> 00:22:08.759
It is terrific, isn't it?

345
00:22:08.819 --> 00:22:09.599
Really cool.

346
00:22:09.660 --> 00:22:12.420
Oh, come on now. get out of these boring defiant sets.

347
00:22:12.480 --> 00:22:13.740
We've got the enterprise over there.

348
00:22:13.799 --> 00:22:19.259
That's right Now, listen, don't watch this one first, all right?

349
00:22:19.319 --> 00:22:21.779
They're revealing all the end of the trouble with triples, yeah?

350
00:22:21.839 --> 00:22:22.680
The previous one.

351
00:22:22.740 --> 00:22:23.400
Yeah, that's right.

352
00:22:25.680 --> 00:22:28.319
So how is it used to the orb?

353
00:22:28.380 --> 00:22:29.460
Oh, who cares?

354
00:22:29.519 --> 00:22:30.119
Who cares?

355
00:22:30.180 --> 00:22:31.019
it doesn't matter.

356
00:22:31.079 --> 00:22:31.799
Yeah, yeah.

357
00:22:31.920 --> 00:22:32.400
Yeah.

358
00:22:32.460 --> 00:22:33.839
She must have known about it.

359
00:22:33.900 --> 00:22:35.339
Now I'm asking the questions.

360
00:22:35.400 --> 00:22:36.180
Yeah.

361
00:22:36.240 --> 00:22:38.640
Okay, so he's been eating it, I need to know.

362
00:22:38.700 --> 00:22:41.160
Amiga life on Cardassia Prime.

363
00:22:41.220 --> 00:22:46.799
But then, of course, the DS9 politics came in and the Klingons invaded and now he's free.

364
00:22:46.859 --> 00:22:47.400
Yep.

365
00:22:47.460 --> 00:23:02.460
Well, because he said earlier on, he was thanking God that the Klingons invaded because at least they knew how to make a good coffee, and that's going to be a plot point later, that he knows what Raktagino is, but no humans in the 23rd century know what it is.

366
00:23:02.519 --> 00:23:10.259
And that line where he's racist, because again, he's really old.

367
00:23:10.319 --> 00:23:10.859
Do you know what I mean?

368
00:23:10.980 --> 00:23:11.819
He's a 100 years old.

369
00:23:11.819 --> 00:23:18.720
And so he's doing all this anti-Klingon racism and stuff like that and how terrible the Cardassians are for drinking fish juice and stuff.

370
00:23:18.779 --> 00:23:25.200
I just love the fact that the linchpin of his life is that moment where he was exposed by a triple.

371
00:23:25.259 --> 00:23:27.720
That was the moment where his life went downhill.

372
00:23:27.779 --> 00:23:28.680
Yeah.

373
00:23:29.160 --> 00:23:35.700
I mean, of course the climax to this was always going to lead to Kirk covered in those triples.

374
00:23:35.759 --> 00:23:37.980
It was going to be something around that moment, right?

375
00:23:38.039 --> 00:23:39.420
That's the iconic moment.

376
00:23:39.480 --> 00:23:41.279
Absolutely it is.

377
00:23:41.339 --> 00:23:41.940
Yeah.

378
00:23:42.000 --> 00:23:51.420
Oh, and do you know, another complaint I have heard about this episode is that the, obviously the 90s music isn't as fun as the TOS music.

379
00:23:51.480 --> 00:23:52.019
That's fair.

380
00:23:52.079 --> 00:23:56.099
And it isn't, but they are having more fun here than they usually do.

381
00:23:56.220 --> 00:24:02.700
It's much less fun than the trouble with Tripples music, though, which is really fun.

382
00:24:02.759 --> 00:24:03.359
Would you remember?

383
00:24:03.960 --> 00:24:08.880
Yeah, that weird sort of alien music that they had. is, Yeah, you're right.

384
00:24:09.000 --> 00:24:09.599
Oh here we go.

385
00:24:09.660 --> 00:24:11.579
Yeah.

386
00:24:11.640 --> 00:24:17.700
I don't know why, but everyone suddenly becomes more sexy when they put on the TOS uniform.

387
00:24:17.700 --> 00:24:19.619
Except Columnini, bless him.

388
00:24:19.680 --> 00:24:20.220
Yeah.

389
00:24:20.279 --> 00:24:23.579
Oh, the red, I think the red suits him, though.

390
00:24:23.640 --> 00:24:27.900
I mean, Bashir looks fucking giving. stepped right out of a TOS episode, doesn't he?

391
00:24:27.960 --> 00:24:29.099
Yeah, doesn't he?

392
00:24:29.160 --> 00:24:30.059
The hair is really great.

393
00:24:30.119 --> 00:24:33.599
The English accent isn't, but the KO is really great.

394
00:24:33.660 --> 00:24:37.559
You can see now his hair's plastered down there, just how much he's receding.

395
00:24:37.619 --> 00:24:38.880
Oh, see, it's got you.

396
00:24:38.940 --> 00:24:40.680
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

397
00:24:40.740 --> 00:24:41.039
Yeah.

398
00:24:41.160 --> 00:24:45.059
And they've given him spock style sort of pointed sideburns as well.

399
00:24:45.119 --> 00:24:46.200
Yes.

400
00:24:46.259 --> 00:24:48.240
Yeah, well, they're the Star Trek signburns.

401
00:24:48.359 --> 00:24:49.859
Absolutely the thing.

402
00:24:49.920 --> 00:24:54.660
Nathan, I think I might be on the turn looking at...

403
00:24:54.839 --> 00:24:56.940
I do like too.

404
00:24:57.000 --> 00:25:07.680
Like, there is something, we get sort of fairly horny, um, Julian in this, uh, in a, in like a few ways he wants to go off and go and fuck his great grandmother in a few minutes time.

405
00:25:07.740 --> 00:25:09.059
Oh, no.

406
00:25:09.059 --> 00:25:11.700
But I do like his line.

407
00:25:11.759 --> 00:25:13.980
Or is that just an excuse?

408
00:25:14.039 --> 00:25:15.000
Yes.

409
00:25:15.059 --> 00:25:16.380
Yes.

410
00:25:16.440 --> 00:25:17.700
That's what that is.

411
00:25:17.759 --> 00:25:20.819
You're getting Una vibes from Dax.

412
00:25:20.880 --> 00:25:22.980
I was really seeing number one, actually.

413
00:25:23.039 --> 00:25:25.740
I mean, the beehive haircut.

414
00:25:25.799 --> 00:25:27.180
I mean, why did it ever go away?

415
00:25:27.240 --> 00:25:35.759
It's so great, and she's taller than Avery, because she's wearing really high heels, and she's, so when they're walking through the corridors to care, though.

416
00:25:35.819 --> 00:25:38.579
She's kind of towering over him, which is pretty funny.

417
00:25:38.640 --> 00:25:44.160
I just love how she's so excited and throughout the whole episode, he's just going, ducks, come on.

418
00:25:44.220 --> 00:25:46.259
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right.

419
00:25:46.319 --> 00:25:50.160
Oh, look at this walking around the Enterprise corridors.

420
00:25:50.759 --> 00:26:00.119
So apparently, this is their 1st view of them, that when they open the door and come through, they hadn't been on the set before.

421
00:26:00.180 --> 00:26:02.819
So they've got like a proper life reaction.

422
00:26:02.940 --> 00:26:03.720
Amazing.

423
00:26:03.779 --> 00:26:04.500
Yeah, yeah.

424
00:26:04.559 --> 00:26:06.000
Because it's incredible.

425
00:26:06.059 --> 00:26:09.299
I'm not sure if I believe that, but it is pretty great.

426
00:26:09.420 --> 00:26:10.259
You know me.

427
00:26:10.319 --> 00:26:11.519
I like to do extra watch.

428
00:26:11.579 --> 00:26:14.160
Did you see that woman there walking down towards the camera?

429
00:26:14.700 --> 00:26:17.220
She had some swagger about her.

430
00:26:17.279 --> 00:26:18.539
I mean, I...

431
00:26:18.539 --> 00:26:23.880
Oh, every scene in the turbo lift with O'Brien and Bashir gold.

432
00:26:24.000 --> 00:26:25.980
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

433
00:26:26.099 --> 00:26:27.839
I really like the scene later.

434
00:26:27.900 --> 00:26:29.279
Like, there's...

435
00:26:29.279 --> 00:26:32.339
Like, there's some hilarious scenes.

436
00:26:32.400 --> 00:26:42.720
There's that scene, this scene here now with, is it Ensign Watt, Lieutenant Whatley, who's about to come into the turbo lift, and the fact that they can't make the turbo lift work.

437
00:26:42.779 --> 00:26:44.640
It's over East Gaston, Deck 31.

438
00:26:44.880 --> 00:26:45.839
Why isn't it working?

439
00:26:45.900 --> 00:26:50.940
But isn't that a little bit like Scotty picking up the mouse on the mackintosh and talking into it?

440
00:26:51.000 --> 00:26:53.460
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

441
00:26:53.519 --> 00:26:54.720
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

442
00:26:55.200 --> 00:26:57.720
Yeah, she's great.

443
00:26:57.779 --> 00:27:04.619
She's got fantastic 60s makeup and like her hair and she is sort of...

444
00:27:04.680 --> 00:27:05.160
Do you see her?

445
00:27:05.220 --> 00:27:06.119
Looking him up and down.

446
00:27:06.180 --> 00:27:07.680
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

447
00:27:07.680 --> 00:27:08.519
God.

448
00:27:08.579 --> 00:27:11.400
I'm so pleased I transferred to this ship.

449
00:27:11.460 --> 00:27:13.140
Good God. for swinging 60s.

450
00:27:13.200 --> 00:27:14.339
Look at the gels.

451
00:27:14.400 --> 00:27:16.500
Like, look at the green gels and stuff.

452
00:27:16.500 --> 00:27:17.819
Like, wonderful.

453
00:27:17.880 --> 00:27:21.180
The very simple control panels. just a door that...

454
00:27:21.960 --> 00:27:24.059
It's so good.

455
00:27:24.720 --> 00:27:26.640
Oh, really?

456
00:27:26.640 --> 00:27:30.119
Look at her geeking out over the, over the beautiful.

457
00:27:30.180 --> 00:27:33.059
It's like it's designed by brawn or something like that.

458
00:27:33.059 --> 00:27:37.319
It does, it's got a little cathode ray tube in it and stuff.

459
00:27:37.380 --> 00:27:42.119
I've never been stroked the way she stroked that piece of equipment there, you know.

460
00:27:42.180 --> 00:27:44.039
Oh, here we go.

461
00:27:44.099 --> 00:27:45.960
Odo in K7s bar.

462
00:27:46.019 --> 00:27:48.720
I wonder if that's going to be an altercation here later.

463
00:27:49.319 --> 00:27:58.019
Well, again, because that's that's a pretty fun comedy set piece and they've just decided we have to get our guys in that.

464
00:27:58.200 --> 00:27:58.740
Do you know what I mean?

465
00:27:58.799 --> 00:28:03.240
Like we have to... where they're doing a lot of the integrators.

466
00:28:03.299 --> 00:28:07.019
And it's very fast editing, so you sort of have to pay attention.

467
00:28:07.319 --> 00:28:09.119
Yeah, that's right.

468
00:28:09.180 --> 00:28:12.960
And it's not, it's, there's actually very little special effects there.

469
00:28:13.019 --> 00:28:17.099
It is just intercutting new and old material, but they're having to plan very carefully.

470
00:28:17.160 --> 00:28:24.779
Uhura and check off walking past Odo, but they cut away from the shot and have just 2 extras in the uniform.

471
00:28:24.839 --> 00:28:25.500
That's exactly right.

472
00:28:25.920 --> 00:28:26.640
So they're not clever.

473
00:28:26.700 --> 00:28:27.839
They're not integrated in this.

474
00:28:27.900 --> 00:28:31.799
We said, we said, this woman who's so great.

475
00:28:32.099 --> 00:28:39.480
So everyone has little fairy wings on their outfit and so we see an actual woman who's from the original episode.

476
00:28:39.539 --> 00:28:44.160
This woman appears in the bar but isn't in the original episode.

477
00:28:44.279 --> 00:28:48.299
But she's got, like, she's brought her tits with her, hasn't she?

478
00:28:48.359 --> 00:28:48.660
Look at that.

479
00:28:48.720 --> 00:28:50.640
I just love how she's always smiling.

480
00:28:50.700 --> 00:28:52.019
Would you like something else?

481
00:28:54.480 --> 00:28:57.599
Everyone looks ready to fuck in the 60s.

482
00:28:59.160 --> 00:29:02.519
When did we get so serious in the 90s?

483
00:29:02.579 --> 00:29:04.740
Yeah, yeah, it's funny, isn't it?

484
00:29:04.799 --> 00:29:10.680
Because I think the people, I think the people on Enterprise and Stranger Worlds are DTAF as well.

485
00:29:11.339 --> 00:29:13.079
Did you see?

486
00:29:13.200 --> 00:29:15.240
Oh, Nichelle looks so beautiful there.

487
00:29:15.299 --> 00:29:16.079
Good grief.

488
00:29:16.140 --> 00:29:25.380
And so we, that was a scene where we actually mattered Odo into the background of that shot, which I think is pretty good, and that's the 1st time we see it happen.

489
00:29:25.440 --> 00:29:28.019
I did notice as well, and I'll try and point it out when I can.

490
00:29:28.079 --> 00:29:34.920
They did do some clever shadow work as well when they were integrating scenes together, which I thought they pulled off pretty well.

491
00:29:34.980 --> 00:29:37.980
Look at, look at that weird gift wrapped.

492
00:29:38.039 --> 00:29:39.599
Jeffrey's shoot.

493
00:29:39.660 --> 00:29:47.400
So that there's a problem with that that's not original, but they couldn't get anything that really matched, apparently.

494
00:29:47.460 --> 00:29:50.099
There's something on memory alpha about someone criticising it.

495
00:29:50.160 --> 00:29:52.259
I think they brought David Gerald onto the set.

496
00:29:52.259 --> 00:29:58.740
I think they brought David Gerald onto the set, who's really positive about the episode, but he says, yeah, it didn't look like that.

497
00:29:58.859 --> 00:30:00.480
And they said, yeah, they've stopped making it.

498
00:30:00.539 --> 00:30:01.619
Oh my god.

499
00:30:01.680 --> 00:30:04.019
Hot Asian guy from the 60s.

500
00:30:04.079 --> 00:30:06.660
Yeah, so this is the engineer.

501
00:30:06.720 --> 00:30:15.299
And again, he's got a real wholesome all American boy kind of accent, so he just seems like someone who was on TV in the 1960s.

502
00:30:15.359 --> 00:30:21.660
Every single guest character in this who's supposed to be from, it's just so authentic, isn't it?

503
00:30:21.720 --> 00:30:24.839
I don't think anyone feels like a 90s actor in this.

504
00:30:24.960 --> 00:30:25.559
No.

505
00:30:25.619 --> 00:30:28.259
And it's basically just those three.

506
00:30:28.319 --> 00:30:32.579
Isn't it the waitress, this engineer in this scene, and Lieutenant Whately.

507
00:30:32.640 --> 00:30:41.099
I think this is really funny because, you know, we're humiliating miles in this conversation, you know what I mean?

508
00:30:41.160 --> 00:30:43.500
Like Miles can't cope with the stress.

509
00:30:43.559 --> 00:30:45.299
Well, he's a cop, isn't he?

510
00:30:45.359 --> 00:30:46.259
He goes, look at this.

511
00:30:46.319 --> 00:30:47.460
It's all cross-punched.

512
00:30:47.519 --> 00:30:50.940
It's one of Scotty's terrible botch jobs, you know, to keep it going.

513
00:30:51.000 --> 00:30:56.160
But I was actually there because he looked like he was scanning with that tricorder.

514
00:30:56.220 --> 00:30:58.920
Like, and I'm there going, that's a medical tricorder.

515
00:30:58.980 --> 00:31:03.539
And then the engineer comes up and goes, that's a medical tricorder, which is pretty quick.

516
00:31:03.599 --> 00:31:11.640
And then it turns out that he's, you know, trailing poor old lieutenant O'Brien, who's not coping with the stress at work.

517
00:31:11.880 --> 00:31:13.980
Oh, he goes.

518
00:31:14.039 --> 00:31:14.819
I hope you feel better.

519
00:31:16.980 --> 00:31:18.720
That's great.

520
00:31:19.380 --> 00:31:23.759
Oh, Brian, you can't talk about patch ups with technology, all right?

521
00:31:23.819 --> 00:31:25.140
That's all you ever bloody.

522
00:31:25.319 --> 00:31:25.920
Oh, my God.

523
00:31:25.980 --> 00:31:27.299
Well, in fact that's what Julian says.

524
00:31:27.480 --> 00:31:29.160
We can't hear it.

525
00:31:29.220 --> 00:31:32.880
But you could already hear the... of the tribles.

526
00:31:34.380 --> 00:31:37.200
Watch when he hands it to wharf.

527
00:31:37.259 --> 00:31:38.640
It just starts wobbling in his hand.

528
00:31:38.700 --> 00:31:39.539
Oh, please.

529
00:31:40.920 --> 00:31:42.660
There we go.

530
00:31:43.140 --> 00:31:48.059
Tell me, Nathan, do they still sing songs of the great triple hunt?

531
00:31:48.599 --> 00:31:54.359
Do you notice that that's what we go to the 1st ad break is the reveal of the trible?

532
00:31:54.420 --> 00:31:57.299
Very dramatic one knows what they are.

533
00:31:57.359 --> 00:31:58.140
Yeah.

534
00:31:58.200 --> 00:31:58.740
You know what?

535
00:31:58.740 --> 00:32:00.059
Bailey Wharf knows what they are.

536
00:32:00.180 --> 00:32:02.220
They are an ecological menace.

537
00:32:02.279 --> 00:32:07.920
You know, the great Klingon armado went to the triple homeworld and obliterated it.

538
00:32:07.980 --> 00:32:10.500
I love the phrase, the trible home world.

539
00:32:10.559 --> 00:32:11.819
That's great.

540
00:32:12.480 --> 00:32:15.660
I mean, like they're an intergalactic power.

541
00:32:15.720 --> 00:32:18.119
This is what I mean about setting this in series 5.

542
00:32:18.359 --> 00:32:20.940
You wouldn't have this Odo in series one or two.

543
00:32:21.059 --> 00:32:22.859
Yeah, yeah.

544
00:32:22.920 --> 00:32:23.519
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

545
00:32:23.579 --> 00:32:24.960
He's really funny in this.

546
00:32:25.019 --> 00:32:29.579
And I mean, like, what is this doing?

547
00:32:29.640 --> 00:32:32.940
This is actually setting up the reaction, isn't it?

548
00:32:33.000 --> 00:32:42.839
Like it's setting up the the reaction that we will see the triple having to um, um, Darvin at the end of the episode.

549
00:32:42.900 --> 00:32:44.460
So we need to see it.

550
00:32:44.519 --> 00:32:45.839
That's the job that it's doing.

551
00:32:45.900 --> 00:32:47.880
We've always told that already, haven't we, at the start?

552
00:32:47.940 --> 00:32:48.900
We sort of have.

553
00:32:48.960 --> 00:32:49.859
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

554
00:32:49.920 --> 00:32:58.859
But all of this stuff is just backstory about the triples, which is just hilarious. like unbelievably...

555
00:32:58.980 --> 00:33:05.700
So much comedy at this point, that when he holds on for triple or goes, this, I'm more so enemy of the empire.

556
00:33:07.079 --> 00:33:13.559
I talked about the head waggle that he does about the great triple hunt, you know.

557
00:33:14.339 --> 00:33:16.079
Very funny.

558
00:33:16.559 --> 00:33:18.779
And actually, do you remember?

559
00:33:18.839 --> 00:33:20.339
We did say one episode.

560
00:33:20.400 --> 00:33:23.279
My God, in TOS, there's so many people in the corridors.

561
00:33:23.339 --> 00:33:25.380
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

562
00:33:25.440 --> 00:33:26.640
Well, they say that as well.

563
00:33:26.700 --> 00:33:28.319
They say they really packed them in.

564
00:33:28.440 --> 00:33:29.759
They really pack them in these old ships.

565
00:33:29.819 --> 00:33:32.400
You know, I don't usually think that yellow suit.

566
00:33:32.460 --> 00:33:34.500
Avery looks great, doesn't he?

567
00:33:34.559 --> 00:33:36.420
Yeah, yeah, I think he does.

568
00:33:36.480 --> 00:33:37.380
He looks really good.

569
00:33:37.440 --> 00:33:39.480
I'd covered him in mustard any day, you know.

570
00:33:39.539 --> 00:33:40.200
Oh sorry.

571
00:33:42.299 --> 00:33:46.200
See, I'm in the 60s, it's getting real horny. so sorry.

572
00:33:46.259 --> 00:33:55.259
I love Cisco to Defiant and he taps his chest and then he realises and then he gets out the sexy flip thing.

573
00:33:55.319 --> 00:33:58.319
And do you remember, do you remember Captain Pikes?

574
00:33:58.380 --> 00:34:07.859
Um, response to learning that the, that, um, Boimler's communicator was in his badge and he kind of goes, but the flipping thing, that's the best part.

575
00:34:09.000 --> 00:34:15.480
Which average reaction when he realised he sort of clicks his fingers and goes, oh, of course, of course.

576
00:34:17.039 --> 00:34:22.500
Oh, now Ducks, she wants to go over and fangirl over Coloff now, doesn't she?

577
00:34:22.559 --> 00:34:23.460
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

578
00:34:23.519 --> 00:34:24.539
Her old mate.

579
00:34:24.659 --> 00:34:27.719
I'd love to see him in his prime, she goes.

580
00:34:27.840 --> 00:34:30.300
So Carlos's dead at this point.

581
00:34:30.360 --> 00:34:33.480
Isn't he the only one of those 3 Klingon survives blood?

582
00:34:33.539 --> 00:34:34.260
It's cool, yeah.

583
00:34:34.320 --> 00:34:35.039
Cor survives.

584
00:34:35.099 --> 00:34:35.519
Yeah, yeah.

585
00:34:35.579 --> 00:34:35.940
Yeah.

586
00:34:36.000 --> 00:34:37.800
And then he dies in 07.

587
00:34:37.980 --> 00:34:39.239
Yeah that's right.

588
00:34:39.300 --> 00:34:45.119
Yeah, that's that speech, that speech that he gives about being old.

589
00:34:45.239 --> 00:34:49.019
Um, So, Coloth is back.

590
00:34:49.079 --> 00:34:54.420
He, uh, so he's played by, uh, oh, I don't know.

591
00:34:54.480 --> 00:34:55.500
John Coneyos.

592
00:34:55.559 --> 00:34:56.519
No, that's cool.

593
00:34:56.579 --> 00:34:58.199
No, no, no.

594
00:34:58.260 --> 00:35:02.340
He's got a really boring name, but he doesn't pick our fans away now, haven't we?

595
00:35:02.400 --> 00:35:03.420
Yeah, I know.

596
00:35:03.480 --> 00:35:04.559
He doesn't appear in this episode.

597
00:35:04.619 --> 00:35:07.500
You can go back and listen to us name him in episode 53.

598
00:35:07.619 --> 00:35:10.619
But what you said there about Dax being the Star Trek fan.

599
00:35:10.679 --> 00:35:13.500
Yeah, that is exactly what a tier.

600
00:35:13.559 --> 00:35:18.059
Oh my god, I would love to see Cor, you know, and it's yeah, exactly.

601
00:35:18.119 --> 00:35:23.159
This beautiful Klingon ship just coming in front of the camera there too.

602
00:35:23.219 --> 00:35:24.239
So great.

603
00:35:24.360 --> 00:35:31.440
But it just reminds me as well, the simplicity of the design and the colours that they use.

604
00:35:31.500 --> 00:35:36.000
It's just so much more appealing to look at, the 90s trick.

605
00:35:36.059 --> 00:35:37.320
But the gels.

606
00:35:37.380 --> 00:35:43.440
Look, there's a splash of pink on the wall there and a splash of green and a splash of yellow for like no reason at all, except that it looks amazing.

607
00:35:43.500 --> 00:35:45.599
Oh, he is Ensign Whatley again.

608
00:35:45.659 --> 00:35:48.000
Nathan, your flap's open.

609
00:35:48.300 --> 00:35:50.519
That is so great.

610
00:35:50.579 --> 00:35:53.460
I think doesn't he look down as well.

611
00:35:54.840 --> 00:35:56.639
Excuse me?

612
00:35:59.880 --> 00:36:09.420
And this is the one where O'Brien gets back at Julian for humiliating him in the interaction with the engineer, because he's always doing that.

613
00:36:09.480 --> 00:36:12.059
And this is their relationship, right?

614
00:36:12.119 --> 00:36:17.579
They love each other, but they're always sniping at each other and getting one up over on each other.

615
00:36:17.639 --> 00:36:18.659
Yes.

616
00:36:18.659 --> 00:36:22.679
Because doesn't he say, yeah, she's just using you to get to me?

617
00:36:23.159 --> 00:36:25.380
Yeah, all right, column.

618
00:36:25.440 --> 00:36:25.800
All right.

619
00:36:26.880 --> 00:36:29.400
I'm looking at Sid right now.

620
00:36:29.460 --> 00:36:30.659
I don't think that's the case.

621
00:36:30.780 --> 00:36:32.880
He looks beautiful.

622
00:36:33.000 --> 00:36:38.639
I thought we would see her ass as she walked away, and I have to say, I was a little bit disappointed.

623
00:36:38.699 --> 00:36:50.099
That makes me a sexist old man, I'm afraid, but, you know, that's a thing. be destined to go and meet her tomorrow and become my own great grandfather.

624
00:36:50.159 --> 00:36:52.679
I've heard some excuses in my time.

625
00:36:52.739 --> 00:36:54.719
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

626
00:36:55.679 --> 00:37:03.480
But it's the singer is him going, I can't wait to see when we get back to Deep Space 9, you find out that I never existed.

627
00:37:03.599 --> 00:37:05.340
No, Brian goes...

628
00:37:05.460 --> 00:37:06.360
That would be quite nice.

629
00:37:07.320 --> 00:37:10.679
I wouldn't have to go through the storyteller for one.

630
00:37:15.599 --> 00:37:19.800
Yeah, I mean, I think this is a slightly odd.

631
00:37:19.920 --> 00:37:21.239
I think this is slightly good.

632
00:37:21.300 --> 00:37:23.519
That thing, are you ready to transport, Chief?

633
00:37:23.639 --> 00:37:27.480
Oh, yeah, are we ever, which I think...

634
00:37:27.480 --> 00:37:31.559
So you love it when they rat out Odo and Worf as well and go, oh, how interesting.

635
00:37:31.619 --> 00:37:36.539
You've been waiting in this bar all day while we're crawling through Jeffrey's tubes.

636
00:37:37.260 --> 00:37:39.599
Oh, no, here we go.

637
00:37:39.659 --> 00:37:40.619
Here we go.

638
00:37:40.679 --> 00:37:42.719
We're about to have Kirk and Spock.

639
00:37:42.900 --> 00:37:45.360
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

640
00:37:45.420 --> 00:37:47.820
But again, you know, we're sandpapering.

641
00:37:47.880 --> 00:37:52.679
Sorry, we're wallpapering over this with another, um, another here they are.

642
00:37:52.739 --> 00:37:53.340
Here they are.

643
00:37:53.639 --> 00:37:55.079
Wow.

644
00:37:55.320 --> 00:38:00.179
Those eyes, Nathan. the 10 Klingons.

645
00:38:00.539 --> 00:38:03.000
I wasn't aware that 10 Klingons constitutes a swarm.

646
00:38:03.059 --> 00:38:05.699
So great, so good.

647
00:38:07.440 --> 00:38:13.920
Because Mr. Barris, who doesn't really properly make it into this episode because he's not important.

648
00:38:13.920 --> 00:38:17.940
If you want to see him, you can always go back and watch Trouble with Tribbles.

649
00:38:18.000 --> 00:38:24.239
But the interactions between Kirk and Mr. Barris are so funny all the way through that episode.

650
00:38:24.300 --> 00:38:29.639
He's so annoying and Kirk is so so kind of annoyed by him.

651
00:38:29.880 --> 00:38:33.420
Cisco's like, 0 my god, she's got to fuck Spock.

652
00:38:33.480 --> 00:38:33.840
Let's go.

653
00:38:35.340 --> 00:38:40.679
Yeah, he's trying to tie you around the way the grabs are.

654
00:38:40.739 --> 00:38:42.239
Yep, we're going.

655
00:38:42.300 --> 00:38:43.619
Let's go.

656
00:38:43.679 --> 00:38:45.119
And that, there you go.

657
00:38:45.179 --> 00:38:45.719
There's a second.

658
00:38:45.780 --> 00:38:48.239
That's a really nice shot of them just walking away.

659
00:38:48.300 --> 00:38:52.019
There's no panel on the on the wall in the original shot.

660
00:38:52.079 --> 00:38:53.880
So they aren't standing.

661
00:38:53.940 --> 00:38:55.320
They're not matted into a shot.

662
00:38:55.380 --> 00:38:59.039
The whole wall is matted into the shot behind them and it's just terribly well done.

663
00:38:59.460 --> 00:39:04.139
This is literally what I would be saying to you, Nathan, I can't believe you don't want to meet James Kirk.

664
00:39:05.039 --> 00:39:07.019
And we go to the street.

665
00:39:07.079 --> 00:39:10.139
I want to ask you about fighting the Gorn on Cester's 3.

666
00:39:10.380 --> 00:39:11.280
God on Cestus 3.

667
00:39:11.519 --> 00:39:16.500
So do I. Yeah.

668
00:39:16.559 --> 00:39:24.840
I mean, this was the only way to do this right is to have one of the characters be utterly enchanted with the original series.

669
00:39:24.900 --> 00:39:26.699
And it has to be Dax.

670
00:39:26.760 --> 00:39:27.719
Do you know what I mean?

671
00:39:27.780 --> 00:39:30.239
Because she remembers the 60s, you know?

672
00:39:30.300 --> 00:39:36.300
We didn't remember the 60s when we were 1st watching this, but some people did, and Dax is one of those.

673
00:39:36.360 --> 00:39:37.980
It's pretty great.

674
00:39:38.039 --> 00:39:41.760
They put the Klingons in the background or the bar already. set up this gag.

675
00:39:41.820 --> 00:39:44.280
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right.

676
00:39:44.340 --> 00:39:45.780
It's really great too.

677
00:39:45.840 --> 00:39:48.119
I mean, they're not the original Klingons at all.

678
00:39:48.179 --> 00:39:56.400
They're, you know, they're new people. and, uh, there will be shots of the original...

679
00:39:56.460 --> 00:39:58.800
It is slightly different, right?

680
00:39:58.920 --> 00:40:00.360
It's still bad.

681
00:40:00.420 --> 00:40:02.400
It's still appropriate, either way.

682
00:40:04.500 --> 00:40:08.940
That's a lovely shot, but shareholding the chair and then Scotty comes in the door.

683
00:40:09.000 --> 00:40:10.800
Yes, I think so too.

684
00:40:10.860 --> 00:40:12.119
I think it's really well done.

685
00:40:12.179 --> 00:40:14.880
And again, there's another, that's another sort of shot.

686
00:40:14.940 --> 00:40:16.199
It works really well.

687
00:40:16.260 --> 00:40:20.460
It's like a proper, like it's not a, it's not a showy effect shot.

688
00:40:20.519 --> 00:40:24.480
You know, it is just people walking behind people, but us watching it are kind of going, wow.

689
00:40:24.539 --> 00:40:29.099
These are the bad Star Trek fans going, you sure that's James Kirk?

690
00:40:29.159 --> 00:40:31.199
It doesn't really look like it. does it?

691
00:40:31.980 --> 00:40:33.900
It's so great.

692
00:40:34.739 --> 00:40:38.340
Oh, look, we can't risk altering the timeline.

693
00:40:38.460 --> 00:40:40.320
We can't go up and say hello to him, sorry.

694
00:40:40.380 --> 00:40:42.360
Yeah, and it's also not him.

695
00:40:42.420 --> 00:40:43.079
He a lieutenant.

696
00:40:43.139 --> 00:40:45.239
And he was sexy.

697
00:40:45.300 --> 00:40:48.780
He was shaggy, stunt double, especially, apparently.

698
00:40:48.840 --> 00:40:49.739
Yeah, yeah.

699
00:40:49.800 --> 00:40:50.159
Yeah.

700
00:40:50.219 --> 00:40:52.199
Easy a couple of episodes.

701
00:40:52.260 --> 00:40:53.159
Over there, Nathan.

702
00:40:53.219 --> 00:40:54.119
And over there.

703
00:40:54.179 --> 00:40:55.320
Kelly on's where?

704
00:40:55.380 --> 00:40:55.559
What?

705
00:40:55.559 --> 00:40:55.800
Where?

706
00:40:55.860 --> 00:40:56.280
All right.

707
00:40:56.340 --> 00:40:58.019
You boys have had enough. all right?

708
00:40:58.079 --> 00:40:59.880
I'm cutting you off.

709
00:41:00.480 --> 00:41:03.599
It's just how they all lean into warf.

710
00:41:05.219 --> 00:41:08.400
And he's already anticipating that.

711
00:41:08.400 --> 00:41:11.280
We had that reaction shot of him going, oh shit, they're about to ask.

712
00:41:11.400 --> 00:41:18.480
And then they whore react and we do the only thing that we could possibly do, which is, it's a long story.

713
00:41:18.659 --> 00:41:21.539
Which, yep, let's just go with that.

714
00:41:21.599 --> 00:41:28.079
Oh, she suggests it was a viral mutation and Worf just quickly goes, we don't talk about it with outsiders, all right?

715
00:41:28.199 --> 00:41:28.739
Yeah.

716
00:41:28.800 --> 00:41:31.440
So, no, we have, was it genetic engineering?

717
00:41:31.500 --> 00:41:33.059
Was it a viral mutation?

718
00:41:33.119 --> 00:41:47.760
Like, it's like Mariner coming up with like 5 different possible Star Trek explanations for this thing, and they dismiss both of them, except until Enterprise series 4, where we discover it's both genetic engineering and the viral mutation.

719
00:41:47.820 --> 00:41:50.159
It turns out...

720
00:41:50.219 --> 00:41:51.659
This is how you do it, all right?

721
00:41:51.719 --> 00:41:53.639
We don't need a 3 part to explain it.

722
00:41:53.760 --> 00:41:55.800
We absolutely don't.

723
00:41:55.860 --> 00:41:57.719
It's a TV show.

724
00:41:57.780 --> 00:42:05.760
I mean, this must have taken some planning to have this fight that's coming up with both sets of characters in it.

725
00:42:05.820 --> 00:42:09.599
Yeah, and I think they pull it off sublimely.

726
00:42:09.659 --> 00:42:13.619
Yeah, so this is, I think this is Korax.

727
00:42:13.679 --> 00:42:15.059
Is that the name of this Klingon?

728
00:42:15.119 --> 00:42:19.260
The rude one who's taunting?

729
00:42:19.320 --> 00:42:26.340
Oh, no, the Enterprise should be hauled away as garbage.

730
00:42:26.460 --> 00:42:28.440
He's very camp, isn't he?

731
00:42:28.500 --> 00:42:29.820
So he's...

732
00:42:29.820 --> 00:42:35.039
Nothing is as camp as Bashir nursing his hand in this scene after he throws...

733
00:42:35.099 --> 00:42:36.300
Oh, yeah, when she does his shoulder?

734
00:42:36.420 --> 00:42:38.760
That the funniest visual gag for me.

735
00:42:40.079 --> 00:42:49.019
We talked about this fight when it was just on the Star Trek episode rather than on Deep Space 9.

736
00:42:49.079 --> 00:42:59.639
Hey, the funny thing is, Korax, that Klingon is actually in the Tribbles episode of TAS as well, but he's played by Jimmy Dewan, just like everyone. on that stupid show.

737
00:42:59.880 --> 00:43:03.599
He's the entire cast of the animator series.

738
00:43:03.659 --> 00:43:05.880
I think we're doing quite a good job.

739
00:43:05.940 --> 00:43:07.440
We just intercard...

740
00:43:07.500 --> 00:43:15.000
Oh, there we have the chair being thrown in front of Miles while, is it Cyrano Jones walks behind them or something like that?

741
00:43:15.000 --> 00:43:16.019
So there is a little bit.

742
00:43:16.079 --> 00:43:17.579
There's a little bit of it.

743
00:43:17.639 --> 00:43:29.880
Yeah, yeah, yeah. when he does, but the other bit that I really like is when Chekhov pummels that guy, like a bunch of times, these pummels him in the stomach, we're just saying, and then he just gets thrown across the table.

744
00:43:31.019 --> 00:43:39.179
They realise to make this fight work and to integrate our characters because they're all doing comedy fighting, ours have to do it as well.

745
00:43:39.239 --> 00:43:40.500
Yes, exactly.

746
00:43:40.500 --> 00:43:41.099
It's really important.

747
00:43:41.519 --> 00:43:44.639
It's throwing people across tables.

748
00:43:44.699 --> 00:43:46.800
It's doing sort of silly stuff like that.

749
00:43:46.860 --> 00:43:55.679
Klingons bouncing on the floor, you know, and falling over and then we get a shot of, you know, the guy who's not Kirk throwing people in a similar way.

750
00:43:55.739 --> 00:43:59.880
Yeah, yeah, people leaping in front of... doesn't he?

751
00:43:59.940 --> 00:44:00.840
The man's got his drink there.

752
00:44:00.900 --> 00:44:07.019
Yeah, yeah, he's met it in new Charlie Bill. like he sticks his head around and then they notice him.

753
00:44:07.079 --> 00:44:08.039
Wolf.

754
00:44:08.099 --> 00:44:13.199
Oh, no, goes, we've got to get after him, and wharf still throws somebody over a table.

755
00:44:13.260 --> 00:44:24.480
There's still time for that In fact, there's a 2nd waitress is an extra who they just have dressed up as the waitress from the scene in the in the 60s as well.

756
00:44:24.539 --> 00:44:26.400
So again, they're not using special effects.

757
00:44:26.460 --> 00:44:32.099
They're just reshooting things and, you know, recreating things just beautifully and intercutting between them. space nine.

758
00:44:32.340 --> 00:44:34.739
Go back to the bath, please.

759
00:44:35.699 --> 00:44:38.760
Oh, does it look brown and gray?

760
00:44:38.820 --> 00:44:39.599
Oh, dear.

761
00:44:40.800 --> 00:44:44.039
Normally I'm so happy to be here, but not this week.

762
00:44:44.579 --> 00:44:49.320
So they, I mean, why do they get involved in this fight?

763
00:44:49.920 --> 00:44:51.960
Um.

764
00:44:52.260 --> 00:44:54.900
Well, because they can.

765
00:44:54.960 --> 00:44:55.800
I don't know.

766
00:44:55.860 --> 00:44:57.119
Because it's really fun.

767
00:44:57.179 --> 00:45:02.340
Like, that's literally the only reason is it's an incredibly fun and memorable fight.

768
00:45:02.340 --> 00:45:07.440
One of a great things about 60s Star Trek is the fist fights because they're a cheap way of doing action.

769
00:45:07.500 --> 00:45:15.840
This was a particularly propulsive fight with, you know, people rolling on the bar and being thrown across tables and all of that sort of stuff.

770
00:45:15.900 --> 00:45:18.300
And so let's have our guys in that fight.

771
00:45:18.360 --> 00:45:22.019
That would be amazing. for the writers and the characters is it's just fun.

772
00:45:22.320 --> 00:45:24.360
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

773
00:45:24.420 --> 00:45:25.679
But it's very definitely that.

774
00:45:25.739 --> 00:45:32.280
And then I think once they do the fight, they go, oh, holy shit, we could Matt, Julian, and shut us into that.

775
00:45:32.340 --> 00:45:33.960
Shadow of Kirk on O'Brien.

776
00:45:34.019 --> 00:45:35.460
That's really well done I think.

777
00:45:36.780 --> 00:45:38.159
No.

778
00:45:41.699 --> 00:45:43.139
No.

779
00:45:43.199 --> 00:45:46.500
I think that's really well the way sells it to me.

780
00:45:46.559 --> 00:45:56.159
Yeah, I, there's just some moments where you can see the, I don't know what it is they're doing and how to describe it, but that, there's one or 2 moments.

781
00:45:56.219 --> 00:45:57.900
That's one moment that doesn't quite land for me.

782
00:45:57.960 --> 00:46:06.480
Another moment is Dax bending down so that she fits in the shot when she's on the bridge, which I just sort of think is weird.

783
00:46:06.539 --> 00:46:10.800
And then, and also Avery slumped in his chair.

784
00:46:10.800 --> 00:46:12.000
You were complaining.

785
00:46:12.000 --> 00:46:13.800
People weren't showing off their asses.

786
00:46:13.800 --> 00:46:16.019
And when they do, you complain again.

787
00:46:16.079 --> 00:46:18.239
I think she was showing off her arse at least.

788
00:46:18.300 --> 00:46:19.079
Now we pretty great.

789
00:46:19.139 --> 00:46:23.460
Now we get to the trible and we're 15 minutes from the end of it.

790
00:46:23.519 --> 00:46:27.480
He's trodden on the tribble and he feels sort of slightly bad about it.

791
00:46:27.539 --> 00:46:29.039
Then we look around the corner.

792
00:46:29.039 --> 00:46:32.340
And so this is our 1st the tribbles are breeding.

793
00:46:32.400 --> 00:46:35.219
Now that's shot, the tribles in the corridor.

794
00:46:35.280 --> 00:46:37.920
Was that from the original or is that freshly short?

795
00:46:37.980 --> 00:46:38.579
I can't tell.

796
00:46:38.639 --> 00:46:40.920
Which shows me how well they're doing this.

797
00:46:40.980 --> 00:46:43.440
Yeah, yeah, it is amazing, isn't it?

798
00:46:43.500 --> 00:46:44.039
It's really good.

799
00:46:44.280 --> 00:46:48.780
Oh, this is the bit where Charlie Bro gets to really camp out.

800
00:46:48.840 --> 00:46:54.480
I see myself with Kirk's head in one hand and a tribble in another.

801
00:46:54.480 --> 00:47:04.199
And you kind of wonder why he's saying that and I guess it's because he has this grudge against the tribbles because they outed him back, you know, the 1st time around here.

802
00:47:04.260 --> 00:47:05.940
Can you hear yourself?

803
00:47:06.000 --> 00:47:08.099
He has a grudge against the triples.

804
00:47:08.159 --> 00:47:09.239
He does?

805
00:47:09.300 --> 00:47:10.739
The triple betrayed him.

806
00:47:10.800 --> 00:47:12.780
And so that's why he puts a bomb in a tribble.

807
00:47:12.840 --> 00:47:15.300
It's justice. so ridiculous. love it.

808
00:47:15.900 --> 00:47:22.019
But it also gives us a chance for Dax to say the spot line about how many tripples there are.

809
00:47:22.079 --> 00:47:26.159
So we realise, well, it don't matter if it's told them because there's so many of the bloody things.

810
00:47:26.219 --> 00:47:27.900
That's exactly right.

811
00:47:27.960 --> 00:47:29.340
That's what's brilliant about it.

812
00:47:29.400 --> 00:47:39.900
And of course, when Spock comes up with that line later, and she looks across at, at, you know, at Cisco and just raises her eyebrows, you know.

813
00:47:39.900 --> 00:47:41.159
Yeah.

814
00:47:41.219 --> 00:47:42.420
Yeah, exactly.

815
00:47:42.539 --> 00:47:44.219
I'm as good as Spock.

816
00:47:44.280 --> 00:47:48.840
Please remember that. that's right And we're both equally hard for the same reason.

817
00:47:48.900 --> 00:47:51.960
Oh, that is a great Avery.

818
00:47:52.019 --> 00:47:54.000
He put a bomb in a triple.

819
00:47:56.940 --> 00:47:59.280
It's so ridiculous.

820
00:47:59.340 --> 00:48:00.360
Oh my god.

821
00:48:00.420 --> 00:48:01.199
It's wonderful.

822
00:48:01.260 --> 00:48:02.280
It's so good.

823
00:48:02.340 --> 00:48:05.099
We love it when Star Trek is silly, though, don't we?

824
00:48:05.219 --> 00:48:06.420
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

825
00:48:06.480 --> 00:48:07.019
It's perfect.

826
00:48:07.079 --> 00:48:08.099
It's just so good.

827
00:48:08.159 --> 00:48:10.619
I think Anne Darvin in that scene is wonderful.

828
00:48:10.679 --> 00:48:12.239
Like he's absolutely great.

829
00:48:12.300 --> 00:48:18.059
And compared to how sort of scared and young and contained he is in the original show.

830
00:48:18.119 --> 00:48:19.260
It's terrific.

831
00:48:19.320 --> 00:48:19.980
I think it's great.

832
00:48:20.099 --> 00:48:21.360
So that's it now.

833
00:48:21.420 --> 00:48:24.780
We've got to try and scan all the triples on the Enterprise.

834
00:48:24.840 --> 00:48:26.519
All the triples on the station.

835
00:48:26.519 --> 00:48:27.480
Yeah.

836
00:48:27.539 --> 00:48:28.079
Yeah.

837
00:48:28.139 --> 00:48:30.179
So, and see how simple it is?

838
00:48:30.239 --> 00:48:35.460
Like we had to look for, um, we had to look for Charlie Brill on the Enterprise.

839
00:48:35.519 --> 00:48:37.800
We had to look for Charlie Brill on the station.

840
00:48:37.860 --> 00:48:41.519
Now we have to scan for the tribble on the Enterprise and scan for the tribble on the station.

841
00:48:41.579 --> 00:48:47.159
But it's because it's the barest excuse for us just to be in the original series, isn't it?

842
00:48:47.219 --> 00:48:47.760
Exactly right.

843
00:48:47.820 --> 00:48:52.739
That's exactly right He went, I think Mr. Worf should stay here.

844
00:48:52.800 --> 00:48:55.500
It seems he's allergic to triples.

845
00:48:55.800 --> 00:48:57.960
It's pretty great.

846
00:49:00.239 --> 00:49:04.559
Oh, God away. love how he closes her down as well.

847
00:49:04.619 --> 00:49:06.420
Oh, now we're on the bridge.

848
00:49:06.480 --> 00:49:07.860
Oh gosh.

849
00:49:09.300 --> 00:49:14.639
Do you remember how much not fun we were having with whom gods destroy?

850
00:49:14.699 --> 00:49:16.320
I mean, imagine if they gone back to that one.

851
00:49:16.380 --> 00:49:18.239
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

852
00:49:18.300 --> 00:49:20.880
What if they've gone back to the savage curtain?

853
00:49:21.000 --> 00:49:23.579
Oh, yeah, let's see.

854
00:49:23.579 --> 00:49:24.539
She does have a bum out.

855
00:49:24.599 --> 00:49:26.460
She needs to get her skirt down a bit more.

856
00:49:26.519 --> 00:49:28.079
Good grief.

857
00:49:28.139 --> 00:49:36.059
Ah, that's so cute where she looks across at him and just goes, you know, like her reaction shots are on point in this, aren't they?

858
00:49:36.119 --> 00:49:37.079
Yeah they really are.

859
00:49:37.139 --> 00:49:40.800
But like now we're having, you know, her having a reaction shot with Kirk.

860
00:49:40.860 --> 00:49:45.780
They were just in the scene together, but now they're interacting with each other, which is really great.

861
00:49:45.840 --> 00:49:48.719
Have you noticed how this bridge suit is?

862
00:49:48.780 --> 00:49:50.099
Is a bit fuzzier than the others?

863
00:49:50.159 --> 00:49:51.119
It's not as clean.

864
00:49:51.239 --> 00:49:52.139
It doesn't look as cleaned up.

865
00:49:52.199 --> 00:49:53.880
No, you're right.

866
00:49:53.940 --> 00:49:55.380
It is it is fuzzy.

867
00:49:55.440 --> 00:49:56.820
Actually, no, look at Daxia.

868
00:49:56.880 --> 00:49:57.239
That works.

869
00:49:57.300 --> 00:49:58.619
Oh my god, it's so good.

870
00:49:58.679 --> 00:49:59.699
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

871
00:49:59.760 --> 00:50:00.480
Well, that's right.

872
00:50:00.539 --> 00:50:02.340
I think, you know, the scenes on the bridge.

873
00:50:02.400 --> 00:50:09.840
Even the ones that are shot now on the new bridge set with our with our cast are also a bit grainy as well so that they match the other scene.

874
00:50:09.900 --> 00:50:12.840
I suppose that's expense as well, isn't it?

875
00:50:12.960 --> 00:50:16.800
Well, I think so. footage looks worse than it actually is.

876
00:50:16.860 --> 00:50:23.340
Well, it's just using different lenses and different film stock in order to have more grain, I think, is what's happening.

877
00:50:23.460 --> 00:50:26.699
Look at all those coloured buttons, look, they look like gemstones, don't they?

878
00:50:27.840 --> 00:50:31.320
You don't look at me, it's the tribles who are breeding.

879
00:50:31.920 --> 00:50:34.920
Oh, Fax goes, I knew him.

880
00:50:34.980 --> 00:50:36.719
I thought he'd be a doctor.

881
00:50:36.780 --> 00:50:38.280
He had the hands of a surgeon.

882
00:50:38.519 --> 00:50:42.900
It really struck me this time around how unsexy that is, though.

883
00:50:45.420 --> 00:50:47.880
I don't want to be thinking about surgery.

884
00:50:47.940 --> 00:50:49.739
I really think about McCoy.

885
00:50:49.739 --> 00:50:52.860
McCoy is failing me up.

886
00:50:52.920 --> 00:50:56.340
I mean, I hear he was quite a ladies man, but, you know, come on now.

887
00:50:56.400 --> 00:50:57.900
OD or McCoy?

888
00:50:57.960 --> 00:50:58.679
McCoy.

889
00:50:58.739 --> 00:51:01.920
Yeah, he's had his fair share of women for out TOS, you know.

890
00:51:01.980 --> 00:51:02.699
Okay.

891
00:51:02.760 --> 00:51:03.059
Yeah.

892
00:51:03.360 --> 00:51:05.159
Oh, man.

893
00:51:05.340 --> 00:51:06.599
I see what you're saying.

894
00:51:06.659 --> 00:51:09.119
He's being pervy whilst doing his work.

895
00:51:12.059 --> 00:51:19.739
But I also like the thing with the, um, they appear to be born pregnant, that line, which I just, now.

896
00:51:19.800 --> 00:51:22.559
Okay, this is so this is...

897
00:51:22.559 --> 00:51:32.880
This is the most ridiculous moment where we just scan very slowly over a load of purring, wobbling tribles and eventually land on the bomb.

898
00:51:33.000 --> 00:51:37.019
The one that's not moving and that's the bomb.

899
00:51:37.079 --> 00:51:39.300
And I just think that's a wonderful break.

900
00:51:39.420 --> 00:51:41.760
The way they're sort of purring about there.

901
00:51:41.820 --> 00:51:42.960
They eat in the grape.

902
00:51:43.019 --> 00:51:43.320
Yeah.

903
00:51:43.500 --> 00:51:48.059
Yeah, yeah, because the grain's poison and they'll be dead, remember?

904
00:51:48.119 --> 00:51:58.679
But also by the time that Dax and by the time that Dax and Cisco are in there, it looks heaps different because there's many, many, many more tribles.

905
00:51:58.739 --> 00:52:00.179
Look how many they're all real.

906
00:52:00.239 --> 00:52:01.500
I mean, Jesus Christ.

907
00:52:01.500 --> 00:52:14.880
The barman with the tribble on his head, surrounded by tribbles in that shot in the background there, um, we are going to get that recreated in 90s track at the end of the episode.

908
00:52:16.139 --> 00:52:19.320
I suppose we could build a new station, you know?

909
00:52:20.219 --> 00:52:23.820
I think that ending is spectacularly.

910
00:52:24.000 --> 00:52:27.780
I mean, did you hear they were being Nick's left, right, and the centre?

911
00:52:27.840 --> 00:52:33.000
They had to keep making new tribbles because everyone on the production team was nicking them.

912
00:52:33.059 --> 00:52:35.159
Just go to a convention, man.

913
00:52:35.219 --> 00:52:39.179
I've got one myself It is quite soothing, you know.

914
00:52:39.239 --> 00:52:40.980
Sometimes I stroke it before I go to bed.

915
00:52:41.039 --> 00:52:44.219
Yeah, the triple's not one of the little puppet ones.

916
00:52:45.059 --> 00:52:49.139
So yeah, Avery in the chair as we walk in.

917
00:52:49.559 --> 00:52:51.719
Look at me oddly.

918
00:52:51.780 --> 00:52:53.400
Look at this one's glued on the wall.

919
00:52:54.840 --> 00:52:57.360
The ones in his coffee.

920
00:52:57.360 --> 00:53:00.059
This is my chicken sandwich and coffee. coffee, coffee.

921
00:53:00.119 --> 00:53:01.500
I want things off the ship.

922
00:53:02.820 --> 00:53:04.559
So funny.

923
00:53:04.619 --> 00:53:06.840
Like his delivery is so great.

924
00:53:07.260 --> 00:53:11.880
I mean, they have put in all the best scenes of the original episode, haven't they?

925
00:53:11.940 --> 00:53:14.579
No, because there's so many excellency.

926
00:53:14.639 --> 00:53:17.940
It's like they've put in a couple of really great representative scenes.

927
00:53:18.360 --> 00:53:21.059
But there's much less of it than you think.

928
00:53:21.119 --> 00:53:23.340
There's a triple on top of...

929
00:53:23.400 --> 00:53:25.500
Cisco's board game there, did you say?

930
00:53:25.559 --> 00:53:26.340
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

931
00:53:26.400 --> 00:53:27.539
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

932
00:53:27.960 --> 00:53:29.760
Right, quick.

933
00:53:29.820 --> 00:53:30.599
To the grain.

934
00:53:30.659 --> 00:53:31.860
Meanwhile, in case seven.

935
00:53:31.980 --> 00:53:34.260
So there's even bread during that scene.

936
00:53:34.320 --> 00:53:35.940
We can't see any of the floor.

937
00:53:36.000 --> 00:53:39.659
Like, there were less ones before we went to the ad break, right?

938
00:53:39.719 --> 00:53:41.579
I mean, it mush it, Avery, kind of work.

939
00:53:41.639 --> 00:53:42.900
So, what have you been, darling?

940
00:53:42.960 --> 00:53:44.039
What have you been up to today?

941
00:53:46.139 --> 00:53:51.360
Poor old Terry doesn't quite get the pronunciation of the word tricobalt right there.

942
00:53:51.420 --> 00:53:56.039
No, but she does throw a triple out the hole and smack Kirk in the head.

943
00:53:56.159 --> 00:53:58.079
I mean that is so clever.

944
00:53:58.139 --> 00:54:11.340
And obviously we needed to see this because this is the iconic moment, which is, you know, he opens the bay door and gets covered in tribbles and for some reason just stands there while they keep, you know, while they go up to chest hide on him.

945
00:54:11.460 --> 00:54:19.800
But for like a visual, for official joke to land, you have to time it perfectly and the way she casually just throws it over her shoulder.

946
00:54:19.860 --> 00:54:21.480
And then it smacks him in the head.

947
00:54:21.539 --> 00:54:23.039
And then yeah, yeah, yeah.

948
00:54:23.099 --> 00:54:30.599
And so and so those were always those stray tribbles that some stagehand was throwing out of the thing all the time.

949
00:54:30.599 --> 00:54:32.639
And they've looked at that.

950
00:54:32.699 --> 00:54:37.260
The writers have looked at that and said, oh, we have to make it Dax throwing that at him.

951
00:54:37.320 --> 00:54:45.780
You know, this had happened all that, like that one, because Avery threw one and then we can't to one landing on Kirk, and there's another one coming out.

952
00:54:46.619 --> 00:54:48.900
Look at his resignation.

953
00:54:49.019 --> 00:54:49.860
Oh boy.

954
00:54:51.179 --> 00:54:53.699
They seem to be gorged.

955
00:54:53.699 --> 00:54:55.019
On my grade?

956
00:54:55.320 --> 00:54:59.579
So Dax throws throws one here too that hits him.

957
00:54:59.639 --> 00:55:03.360
We...

958
00:55:03.360 --> 00:55:04.260
Spock gets the line.

959
00:55:04.800 --> 00:55:08.820
771,569.

960
00:55:10.199 --> 00:55:11.940
That's wonderful.

961
00:55:12.000 --> 00:55:13.079
Did you know what, right?

962
00:55:13.079 --> 00:55:17.699
Actually, no, even camper is the scene of the bomb flying through space.

963
00:55:17.880 --> 00:55:18.780
It's so good.

964
00:55:18.900 --> 00:55:20.760
It's so great.

965
00:55:20.820 --> 00:55:23.280
The music goes all sort of...

966
00:55:23.280 --> 00:55:27.780
It's the explosion that tells it.

967
00:55:27.840 --> 00:55:31.320
It's so good I'm sorry to lose the tricorder, though.

968
00:55:31.380 --> 00:55:31.920
It is great.

969
00:55:31.980 --> 00:55:34.619
Yeah, they should have taken some tech back with them, shouldn't they?

970
00:55:34.679 --> 00:55:36.179
Yeah, they should have.

971
00:55:36.239 --> 00:55:37.260
Never mind.

972
00:55:37.320 --> 00:55:38.820
We do like the DS9 sets.

973
00:55:38.880 --> 00:55:40.440
Don't get me wrong, but...

974
00:55:40.440 --> 00:55:41.760
No, no, no, they're good.

975
00:55:41.820 --> 00:55:43.619
They are great, but yeah.

976
00:55:44.159 --> 00:55:45.719
There it is.

977
00:55:46.260 --> 00:55:48.599
Oh, the tricorder.

978
00:55:48.659 --> 00:55:49.920
Oh, it was in pieces.

979
00:55:50.039 --> 00:55:50.820
Yeah, it exploded too.

980
00:55:50.880 --> 00:55:51.300
Oh, well.

981
00:55:51.360 --> 00:55:53.760
Kira was like, he was dead anyway.

982
00:55:53.940 --> 00:55:57.239
I'm having no fun at all over here, all right?

983
00:55:59.519 --> 00:56:03.659
And second, close that door.

984
00:56:05.760 --> 00:56:08.039
Oh heaven.

985
00:56:08.099 --> 00:56:10.079
And there's the problem solved.

986
00:56:10.199 --> 00:56:10.920
You see?

987
00:56:10.980 --> 00:56:16.199
And then we quickly see we cut to Darvin being outed.

988
00:56:16.260 --> 00:56:18.059
Hey, I don't want you Mr. Donald.

989
00:56:18.119 --> 00:56:18.719
Mr. Darvin.

990
00:56:18.780 --> 00:56:19.440
I wonder why.

991
00:56:19.500 --> 00:56:23.159
Oh, this like, Jim, this matters a Klingon.

992
00:56:23.820 --> 00:56:25.559
Very serious.

993
00:56:27.119 --> 00:56:30.480
Do you know, I'm not sure I can be objective about this.

994
00:56:30.780 --> 00:56:32.460
In any way.

995
00:56:32.699 --> 00:56:34.619
It's great.

996
00:56:34.679 --> 00:56:36.360
I don't think it needs to be injected about it.

997
00:56:36.420 --> 00:56:37.679
I'm not sure.

998
00:56:37.679 --> 00:56:39.360
I wouldn't be critical of that.

999
00:56:39.360 --> 00:56:41.039
In my usual sort of a way.

1000
00:56:41.099 --> 00:56:44.519
Wow, because it's so ridiculous but I'm just loving it.

1001
00:56:44.579 --> 00:56:48.300
But it's like the original episode is great.

1002
00:56:48.360 --> 00:56:49.440
It's brilliant.

1003
00:56:49.500 --> 00:56:57.659
This gets us to relive some of it, but also to just have funny hang time with, you know, fun dialogue and stuff.

1004
00:56:57.719 --> 00:56:58.199
This is awesome.

1005
00:56:58.739 --> 00:57:01.739
Cisco is a big trek geek after all.

1006
00:57:01.860 --> 00:57:02.639
Yeah, yeah.

1007
00:57:02.699 --> 00:57:05.820
He's fanboying over Kirk here.

1008
00:57:05.880 --> 00:57:08.340
So this is from Mirror Mirror this scene.

1009
00:57:08.400 --> 00:57:09.539
Look at the show.

1010
00:57:09.539 --> 00:57:12.480
She's 83 and gone, oh, my God.

1011
00:57:12.539 --> 00:57:13.860
He looks delicious.

1012
00:57:13.920 --> 00:57:16.079
Well, yes, quiet.

1013
00:57:16.139 --> 00:57:18.719
There's a parent I could get behind, you know?

1014
00:57:18.780 --> 00:57:28.559
So in Mirror, Mirror, it's an attractive woman who hands him the pad, and then that's him looking, oh, that was an attractive woman, but he doesn't.

1015
00:57:28.619 --> 00:57:29.579
Why is she all looking at her then?

1016
00:57:29.639 --> 00:57:31.739
Yeah, well, she's pretty, I don't know.

1017
00:57:31.800 --> 00:57:32.340
Oh, yeah.

1018
00:57:32.400 --> 00:57:35.639
You're pretty, but no, it's pretty as me as well.

1019
00:57:36.480 --> 00:57:37.320
That's it.

1020
00:57:37.679 --> 00:57:42.420
I quite like how the guy says, yeah, actually, I would have done that.

1021
00:57:42.480 --> 00:57:42.900
That's fine.

1022
00:57:43.019 --> 00:57:48.119
And then the other guy, the taller guy, is actually a bit cross at him and he's about to have a go at him.

1023
00:57:48.179 --> 00:57:48.840
Do you know what I mean?

1024
00:57:48.900 --> 00:57:49.440
When they leave.

1025
00:57:50.760 --> 00:57:55.380
I like the fact that as soon as I kind of like, oh, my God, did we get away with it?

1026
00:57:55.440 --> 00:57:56.099
get away with it.

1027
00:57:56.159 --> 00:57:57.360
And that's the other thing.

1028
00:57:57.480 --> 00:58:13.619
Because what I really like about that is that it does that trick of completely reinterpreting what's going on in the framing narrative because that's always the fun thing about a framing narrative is when it starts to have its own kind of narrative as well.

1029
00:58:13.679 --> 00:58:19.139
And so this looks like him explaining the thing, but it turns out everyone is aware.

1030
00:58:19.199 --> 00:58:25.139
And it's this brilliant, brilliant thing that they've brought one back with them and it's multiplied.

1031
00:58:25.199 --> 00:58:28.440
We have to have the contractual obligation saying from Armond Shimmerman yet.

1032
00:58:28.500 --> 00:58:28.920
Where is he?

1033
00:58:28.980 --> 00:58:29.639
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1034
00:58:29.639 --> 00:58:30.900
He doesn't say anything.

1035
00:58:31.739 --> 00:58:35.099
No, but he does have a triple on his head.

1036
00:58:36.360 --> 00:58:37.920
So good.

1037
00:58:37.980 --> 00:58:41.639
It's so good. it is taken from the original episode.

1038
00:58:41.699 --> 00:58:44.519
Look at Morn, who's got 3 in his hand.

1039
00:58:44.579 --> 00:58:46.500
He's talking goes.

1040
00:58:47.880 --> 00:58:50.820
Why do you know he's talking to?

1041
00:58:51.239 --> 00:58:54.059
Oh, what a fabulous shot.

1042
00:58:54.119 --> 00:58:55.920
It's so good.

1043
00:58:55.980 --> 00:59:01.380
And then the other thing which is obviously the right thing to do is that we never mention it again.

1044
00:59:01.440 --> 00:59:02.820
You know what I mean?

1045
00:59:02.940 --> 00:59:10.619
Like we've accidentally, because we've done a bad timeline thing because the tribles were extinct, right?

1046
00:59:10.679 --> 00:59:14.699
Wharf says, that's why we have that speech, isn't it?

1047
00:59:14.760 --> 00:59:17.099
Because they've made them extinct.

1048
00:59:17.159 --> 00:59:25.500
The wharfs, the wharfs, the, the, the, the, the Kleons killed them all, and now we've brought them back by mistake because of our trip through time.

1049
00:59:25.559 --> 00:59:28.380
It's exactly the sort of thing they would have got in trouble for.

1050
00:59:28.440 --> 00:59:33.179
Tell me, Nathan, do they still sing songs of the great DS9 triple hump?

1051
00:59:33.480 --> 00:59:35.460
What do you think they do?

1052
00:59:35.519 --> 00:59:36.900
They just flash them all out there.

1053
00:59:36.960 --> 00:59:42.900
I like to think that they all get sent away to the, what's that institute called that they always go to the scientific one?

1054
00:59:42.960 --> 00:59:44.039
Daystrom Institute.

1055
00:59:44.099 --> 00:59:45.599
Yeah, they all ended up there, you know?

1056
00:59:45.659 --> 00:59:49.440
Or in one of those zoos that sometimes have people in them.

1057
00:59:49.500 --> 00:59:54.300
Is there an episode set after this with triples where they're now in the future?

1058
00:59:54.360 --> 00:59:55.440
Yeah.

1059
00:59:55.500 --> 01:00:00.000
So we've now done 3 triple episodes on Untitled Star Trek Project.

1060
01:00:00.059 --> 01:00:00.719
We've done this.

1061
01:00:00.780 --> 01:00:06.599
We've done the original Trouble with Tribbles, and we have done Trouble with Edward from Short Tracks.

1062
01:00:06.840 --> 01:00:13.139
There is an animated series one, which I can't remember the name of, and I keep getting the name wrong.

1063
01:00:13.199 --> 01:00:15.000
I think it's called More Troubles, More Tribbles.

1064
01:00:15.059 --> 01:00:25.980
Um, and then there's a season 2 prodigy episode, which is called A Tribble called Quest, and it's a standalone episode.

1065
01:00:26.039 --> 01:00:27.840
Like it's a fairly standalone episode.

1066
01:00:27.840 --> 01:00:33.239
They're on a planet with giant tribbles and there's a Klingon giant triples.

1067
01:00:33.300 --> 01:00:36.780
Yeah, yeah, yeah. small and big ones, but including giant ones.

1068
01:00:36.840 --> 01:00:42.000
And there's a Klingon geneticist who's experimenting on them for some reason.

1069
01:00:42.059 --> 01:00:42.960
I can't remember why.

1070
01:00:43.019 --> 01:00:49.440
So we do we do have 2 more Tribbles episodes left, including one set. in the late 24th century.

1071
01:00:49.559 --> 01:00:56.340
I mean, we do have to eke them out because if we do it too often, then I think it loses its lustre when we do do it.

1072
01:00:56.400 --> 01:01:02.400
But every time they do it, it's amazing. no matter what show touches the triple.

1073
01:01:02.460 --> 01:01:06.000
No, that's right. no way. hang on. animated series one's pretty bad.

1074
01:01:06.059 --> 01:01:06.960
Did we do that one?

1075
01:01:07.019 --> 01:01:11.400
No, but I watched it to prepare for Trouble with Tribble, so I have seen it recently.

1076
01:01:11.460 --> 01:01:12.420
Very, very bad.

1077
01:01:12.480 --> 01:01:13.860
Yeah, it's pretty bad.

1078
01:01:13.920 --> 01:01:19.139
It is written by David Gerald, but... terrible.

1079
01:01:19.199 --> 01:01:22.139
It really was half arse that show, wasn't it?

1080
01:01:22.199 --> 01:01:26.460
They do the scene where, you know, Kirk sits on the treble.

1081
01:01:26.519 --> 01:01:34.980
In this scene, he goes to his chair and there's just like one giant massive tribble on the chair because he has giant tribbles in it as well.

1082
01:01:35.039 --> 01:01:36.360
So he can't sit on the chair.

1083
01:01:36.420 --> 01:01:39.239
Also, he's a cartoon character who can't sit down.

1084
01:01:39.300 --> 01:01:40.739
Do you know what?

1085
01:01:40.800 --> 01:01:58.199
One thing that I, and well, one of many things that I've taken away from untaught of Star Trek Project is I never really used to go to DS9 for the comedies, and I always knew the comedies were pretty good, but I like DS9 for its arcs, for its running storylines, for its space battles, for all of these other things.

1086
01:01:58.260 --> 01:02:01.079
The more we watch these comedy episodes.

1087
01:02:01.139 --> 01:02:02.159
Bada bing, bada bang.

1088
01:02:02.219 --> 01:02:03.780
Take me out to the hola suite.

1089
01:02:03.840 --> 01:02:05.579
You've seen little green men recently.

1090
01:02:05.639 --> 01:02:12.300
We've now done trials and tribulate, and we've got some absolute zingers still to come, comedy wise.

1091
01:02:13.380 --> 01:02:16.920
They really nailed them, didn't they?

1092
01:02:17.219 --> 01:02:28.679
in a in a decade of Star Trek that generally produced dismal comedy that really managed to get them right.

1093
01:02:28.800 --> 01:02:42.480
I think the dialogue in 90s striking is sort of really very functional and like there are occasionally good gags and occasionally really great lines and more in deep space 9 than in any of the others, I think, easily.

1094
01:02:42.539 --> 01:02:47.039
You've got people who can write really funny dialogue and do really good jokes.

1095
01:02:47.159 --> 01:02:55.739
Nowadays, Star Trek tends to be kind of very serious, but they can do really funny lines and more sophisticated dialogue, I think.

1096
01:02:55.800 --> 01:03:01.320
I think they integrate comedy into the serious episodes now, though very confidently.

1097
01:03:01.380 --> 01:03:06.840
Whereas back then it would be a banter scene between Tom and Harry and you becoming... which is just awful.

1098
01:03:06.960 --> 01:03:09.119
Yeah, shockingly embarrassing.

1099
01:03:09.179 --> 01:03:09.840
Yeah.

1100
01:03:09.840 --> 01:03:12.659
They should remembered to keep humour simple.

1101
01:03:12.719 --> 01:03:14.280
You're flaps open.

1102
01:03:14.340 --> 01:03:15.900
You know, things like that.

1103
01:03:24.960 --> 01:03:30.059
All right, it's the end of the episode and it's time for us to work out where we're going next.

1104
01:03:30.119 --> 01:03:38.099
Normally, if you choose a really good episode, then it's my job, obviously, to ruin it and vice versa sometimes.

1105
01:03:38.159 --> 01:03:40.920
You only normally do that in one particular way.

1106
01:03:40.980 --> 01:03:42.119
Yeah.

1107
01:03:42.179 --> 01:03:59.820
Well, look, I mean, I did check our coverage page before we started recording and we are actually a little bit behind on Enterprise, but I'm not going to go there because I think we're having a successful 90s Star Trek run.

1108
01:03:59.820 --> 01:04:05.039
And so I'm going to go to Star Trek the Next Generation.

1109
01:04:05.099 --> 01:04:07.860
Oh, are you going to pick a season?

1110
01:04:07.920 --> 01:04:11.460
I haven't done this before, so I'm going to.

1111
01:04:11.579 --> 01:04:15.659
I'm gonna pick seasons three, four, and five.

1112
01:04:15.719 --> 01:04:17.519
Wow, the imperial phase.

1113
01:04:17.579 --> 01:04:17.880
Okay.

1114
01:04:17.940 --> 01:04:19.199
The imperial phase.

1115
01:04:19.260 --> 01:04:20.340
Okay.

1116
01:04:20.400 --> 01:04:23.099
So let's see what we can do.

1117
01:04:23.159 --> 01:04:26.280
Let's see if we can get a kind of hat trick of some kind happening here.

1118
01:04:26.340 --> 01:04:29.519
There's still some dogs in there, you know. absolutely.

1119
01:04:30.179 --> 01:04:32.219
Yes, yes.

1120
01:04:33.659 --> 01:04:35.219
All right.

1121
01:04:35.280 --> 01:04:35.639
Okay.

1122
01:04:35.699 --> 01:04:37.019
I'm going to press the button.

1123
01:04:37.079 --> 01:04:37.619
Here goes.

1124
01:04:38.159 --> 01:04:42.599
Ooh, see, this is the sort of thing that happens.

1125
01:04:42.719 --> 01:04:49.800
It's not top tier, but it is the imperial phase. your random... not season. 5 episode six, is it?

1126
01:04:49.860 --> 01:04:50.940
No.

1127
01:04:51.000 --> 01:04:52.320
No.

1128
01:04:54.539 --> 01:05:02.519
You're a random Star Trek The Next Generation episode is season three, episode 21 Hollow Pursuits.

1129
01:05:02.579 --> 01:05:04.380
What the hell is that?

1130
01:05:04.500 --> 01:05:07.019
Barclay, it's the 1st Barclay episode.

1131
01:05:07.079 --> 01:05:09.599
It's not the goddess of empathy episode, is it?

1132
01:05:09.659 --> 01:05:10.559
Absolutely it is.

1133
01:05:10.619 --> 01:05:11.699
Do that one.

1134
01:05:11.760 --> 01:05:13.199
It was so funny.

1135
01:05:13.260 --> 01:05:14.340
Yes.

1136
01:05:14.400 --> 01:05:16.920
Get right to it, Mr. Broccoli.

1137
01:05:16.980 --> 01:05:17.579
Oh, God.

1138
01:05:19.739 --> 01:05:21.780
I mean, it is great.

1139
01:05:21.840 --> 01:05:22.739
It's a good episode.

1140
01:05:22.739 --> 01:05:23.639
It is pretty great.

1141
01:05:23.699 --> 01:05:24.960
It is pretty great.

1142
01:05:25.019 --> 01:05:26.880
Do you want to press it again though?

1143
01:05:26.940 --> 01:05:27.900
Well, I do.

1144
01:05:27.960 --> 01:05:29.400
I feel like I haven't.

1145
01:05:29.400 --> 01:05:30.840
Well, I've never used this feature before.

1146
01:05:30.900 --> 01:05:36.539
You see, I've never selected certain seasons of a show. so.

1147
01:05:36.599 --> 01:05:40.019
It's just Marina's reaction when she sees herself on that swing.

1148
01:05:40.079 --> 01:05:40.920
It's so funny.

1149
01:05:46.079 --> 01:05:49.139
Okay, no, Nicole, let's keep going for a bit.

1150
01:05:49.199 --> 01:05:49.860
Okay, okay.

1151
01:05:49.920 --> 01:05:51.780
That would be great, though. is pretty good.

1152
01:05:51.840 --> 01:05:52.500
Okay.

1153
01:05:53.340 --> 01:05:55.980
Oh, this is a bit more boring.

1154
01:05:56.039 --> 01:06:00.539
So this is season three, episode 10, The Defector.

1155
01:06:00.599 --> 01:06:02.579
The Defector.

1156
01:06:02.699 --> 01:06:04.739
So it's a Romulan defector.

1157
01:06:04.800 --> 01:06:07.139
Oh, it's James Sawyer.

1158
01:06:07.199 --> 01:06:09.780
It's the fellow who plays Odo's dad.

1159
01:06:09.840 --> 01:06:11.159
Dr. Boyer.

1160
01:06:11.219 --> 01:06:12.780
Yes, he plays the wrong one.

1161
01:06:12.840 --> 01:06:14.880
That's a good episode, I seem to remember.

1162
01:06:14.940 --> 01:06:15.659
It is a good episode.

1163
01:06:15.719 --> 01:06:17.340
Very serious, though, after all.

1164
01:06:17.340 --> 01:06:20.519
It's very procedural, but it is a good episode.

1165
01:06:20.579 --> 01:06:23.820
Again, this is the era where you know, things are generally good.

1166
01:06:24.719 --> 01:06:28.739
No, I think we should try it and do a season 4 episode, you know.

1167
01:06:28.800 --> 01:06:30.420
We've had such great luck with four.

1168
01:06:30.480 --> 01:06:31.739
Okay.

1169
01:06:32.699 --> 01:06:34.739
Oh, this is one.

1170
01:06:34.800 --> 01:06:38.039
This is one that I don't really care for very much, but it is season four.

1171
01:06:38.099 --> 01:06:43.860
Your random Star Trek, the Next Generation episode is season four, episode 19, the Mth degree.

1172
01:06:45.059 --> 01:06:46.860
What's that?

1173
01:06:46.980 --> 01:06:50.340
That's Barclay gets...

1174
01:06:50.340 --> 01:06:51.840
Have you got a Barclay filter on this?

1175
01:06:51.960 --> 01:06:54.539
No, but I mean, this is the Barclay era.

1176
01:06:54.599 --> 01:06:55.500
It's his 2nd episode.

1177
01:06:55.559 --> 01:06:56.099
I think.

1178
01:06:56.519 --> 01:06:59.820
Is it the one where he's got the...

1179
01:06:59.880 --> 01:07:01.260
Can he become super smart?

1180
01:07:01.320 --> 01:07:02.760
Oh no.

1181
01:07:02.820 --> 01:07:04.019
I'm not embarrassed.

1182
01:07:04.079 --> 01:07:05.639
Yeah, if you, Preston the Baron.

1183
01:07:05.699 --> 01:07:06.420
Do I?

1184
01:07:06.420 --> 01:07:07.500
No, if this is...

1185
01:07:07.920 --> 01:07:15.480
Well, this is the wounded, which we've already done, season four, episode 12, which we did way back in episode 38.

1186
01:07:15.719 --> 01:07:19.380
Which we liked, but we had some reservations of our...

1187
01:07:19.440 --> 01:07:24.059
The next one is Tin Man, season 3, episode 20.

1188
01:07:24.480 --> 01:07:29.639
It's got the mayor from Buffy as a beta Zoid.

1189
01:07:29.699 --> 01:07:32.099
He's got the sort of the black contacts in, hasn't he?

1190
01:07:32.159 --> 01:07:36.719
yeah I don't know the Star Trek Imperial phase as well as off a lot.

1191
01:07:36.780 --> 01:07:37.320
I mean, it's okay.

1192
01:07:37.380 --> 01:07:39.960
It's okay, but, you know, again, a bit serious.

1193
01:07:40.019 --> 01:07:41.280
Okay, whatever's the next one now.

1194
01:07:41.340 --> 01:07:45.119
I'm feeling fluttering as I'm embarrassed. starting to feel flooding. all right.

1195
01:07:45.179 --> 01:07:45.780
Let see how we go.

1196
01:07:46.980 --> 01:07:49.079
Oh, this is pretty good.

1197
01:07:49.440 --> 01:07:56.280
Your random Star Trek, the Next Generation episode is The Minds Eye, season four, episode 24.

1198
01:07:56.579 --> 01:07:57.659
This is terrific.

1199
01:07:57.719 --> 01:08:01.380
It's Jordan when he's been bucked, isn't it?

1200
01:08:01.440 --> 01:08:02.400
And he's walking around the ship.

1201
01:08:02.460 --> 01:08:03.780
Cementaryan candidate.

1202
01:08:03.900 --> 01:08:11.820
Yeah. under the control of the Romulans, I think. sort of starting to get politics right in TNG.

1203
01:08:11.880 --> 01:08:12.960
Yeah, yeah.

1204
01:08:13.019 --> 01:08:18.539
I mean, it's got some sort of interesting visuals as well because there's lots of POV shots. of Geordie Pfizer.

1205
01:08:18.600 --> 01:08:20.039
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1206
01:08:20.100 --> 01:08:21.239
What do you think?

1207
01:08:21.300 --> 01:08:22.079
Or we could do one more.

1208
01:08:22.140 --> 01:08:24.000
Oh, go on and do one more.

1209
01:08:24.060 --> 01:08:24.239
Yeah.

1210
01:08:24.300 --> 01:08:25.680
Okay. don't know why.

1211
01:08:26.340 --> 01:08:29.460
We've chosen good and bad here so far.

1212
01:08:29.579 --> 01:08:31.260
Okay, how about this one?

1213
01:08:31.319 --> 01:08:35.159
Season 5, episode 19, the 1st duty.

1214
01:08:37.859 --> 01:08:42.359
Did I say we wouldn't be doing another back-to-back banger?

1215
01:08:42.420 --> 01:08:46.739
That is a terrific remorse script.

1216
01:08:46.800 --> 01:08:48.479
It's really good, isn't it?

1217
01:08:48.539 --> 01:08:50.520
Probably the best Wesley episode.

1218
01:08:50.579 --> 01:08:52.260
They ever did it.

1219
01:08:52.319 --> 01:08:54.539
Yeah, let's do that one.

1220
01:08:54.600 --> 01:08:56.340
It's really good. really good.

1221
01:08:56.399 --> 01:09:01.439
It introduces Ensign, oh, cadet, Sato, who then goes into, yeah, yeah.

1222
01:09:01.439 --> 01:09:03.119
Lower decks, Sato, sorry, yeah.

1223
01:09:03.180 --> 01:09:05.520
Yeah, oh, that's a wonderful episode.

1224
01:09:05.579 --> 01:09:05.939
Yeah.

1225
01:09:06.000 --> 01:09:07.439
Let's continue our run.

1226
01:09:07.500 --> 01:09:15.300
I think we should con ourselves into thinking that 90s trek was nothing but absolute bangers. of episodes, a banger every week.

1227
01:09:15.359 --> 01:09:15.840
Yeah.

1228
01:09:15.899 --> 01:09:19.979
I promise you I'll take us somewhere truly terrible after that, though.

1229
01:09:20.039 --> 01:09:21.479
I'm looking forward to it.

1230
01:09:30.539 --> 01:09:41.100
You've been listening to untitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford and Nathan Bottomley, where online at untitled Star Trek Project.com, where you can find subscription links and links to our social media accounts.

1231
01:09:41.220 --> 01:09:46.560
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Ciceran, and the theme was composed by Cameron Lahne.

1232
01:09:46.619 --> 01:09:52.020
This episode was recorded on the 7th of April 2026 and released on the 10th of April.

1233
01:09:52.079 --> 01:09:56.399
We'll see you next time for Star Trek the Next Generation, the 1st duty.

1234
01:10:13.079 --> 01:10:15.300
Where did I say I was good?

1235
01:10:15.359 --> 01:10:17.220
Oh, no, I was gonna go do the whole lot, didn't I?

1236
01:10:17.340 --> 01:10:17.939
Do the whole thing.

1237
01:10:17.939 --> 01:10:19.260
Moving in the Enterprise episode.

1238
01:10:19.319 --> 01:10:20.579
Yeah, first shooting, yes.

1239
01:10:20.760 --> 01:10:23.220
Yeah, I've watched it recently.

1240
01:10:23.279 --> 01:10:30.779
In fact, I'm surprised that I've watched it recently and I think that the worst Robert is amazingly good in it, like surprisingly good.

1241
01:10:30.840 --> 01:10:34.500
And like a really good character too.

1242
01:10:34.560 --> 01:10:35.939
It's the dad.

1243
01:10:36.000 --> 01:10:37.859
The dad always gets me in that episode.

1244
01:10:37.920 --> 01:10:40.319
Like Jake's dad.

1245
01:10:40.439 --> 01:10:41.279
Yeah.

1246
01:10:41.279 --> 01:10:43.260
Do you...

1247
01:10:43.260 --> 01:10:51.060
Because remember that Nick Lucano goes on to be the villain in Series four, I think, of Lower Decks?

1248
01:10:51.119 --> 01:10:52.619
Did you know that?

1249
01:10:53.579 --> 01:10:55.979
I couldn't remember, but...

1250
01:10:55.979 --> 01:11:04.619
So, so it's the worst Robert, playing Nick Lucano on Lower Decks, and he's the villain in Lower Decks.

1251
01:11:04.680 --> 01:11:27.239
And, um, and we see a flashback to Starfleet Academy where little Ensign Mariner, who's a 1st year, goes up to the Nova Squadron, people, including Cito and Wesley and, and, um, and Nick Lucano and the other guy, um, and, like, his fangirling about, about it.

1252
01:11:27.300 --> 01:11:42.239
And we later, and so, which is kind of perfect because that, like, Mariner is friends with Cadet Cito, um, and then is the lead of the show that's named after the episode that she next sort of features in.

1253
01:11:42.300 --> 01:11:51.779
Um, but that's kind of heartbreaking, like it's properly good, you know, like you, um, There's only, there's only one missed opportunity, I think, with the 1st duty.

1254
01:11:51.840 --> 01:12:01.079
Um, and they start going down the route and then they pull back from it where it's uh, Beverly going, you know, no, we're going to fight for you.

1255
01:12:01.140 --> 01:12:04.319
How dare they accuse you of these things and all they wouldn't have done it.

1256
01:12:04.439 --> 01:12:10.800
Afterwards, I just, they'd need to be a good scene where she's let down by them.

1257
01:12:10.859 --> 01:12:12.720
And I don't think we really get that.

1258
01:12:12.960 --> 01:12:17.279
No, because it's about the relationship between him and Picard, isn't it?

1259
01:12:17.340 --> 01:12:19.920
Like it stops being about his mother.

1260
01:12:19.979 --> 01:12:25.260
Like his mother leaps to defend him, but we don't really care about her.

1261
01:12:25.319 --> 01:12:26.159
Do you know what I mean?

1262
01:12:26.220 --> 01:12:30.359
That's kind of like set dressing or something or that's the opposite of what we should be doing.

1263
01:12:30.420 --> 01:12:32.039
Like she's doing the wrong thing.

1264
01:12:32.460 --> 01:12:39.359
It'd be so interesting to do an episode set in the academy as well after Starfleet Academy, you know?

1265
01:12:39.479 --> 01:12:40.500
Yeah, yeah.

1266
01:12:40.560 --> 01:12:42.300
Yeah.

1267
01:12:42.359 --> 01:12:43.920
Yeah, that'll be good.

1268
01:12:43.979 --> 01:12:44.460
Yeah.