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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So, we are back.

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It's Deep Space 9 and for the 2nd episode in a row, we are doing

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series 5, episode 6 last time we did.

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Episode 6 of Voyager.

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And this week at series 5, episode 6 of Deep Space 9, which is

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trials and tripleations.

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It 1st aired on the 4th of November 1996 as part of the

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celebration of the 30th anniversary of Star Trek.

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And we have already talked about it on the podcast because, of

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course, we have done, um, trouble with tribles in episode 53, I

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think, of untitled Star Trek project.

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So I already know what you think of this.

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What, this episode or the original episode?

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Well, this episode.

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Did I say in that episode what I thought of this episode?

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Yeah, we talked about, we talked about it a lot.

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I mean, I did just say what are the odds of us doing too, season

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five, episode six.

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I think the odds were about one to one because I manipulated the

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randomiser to such an extent that I chose the season and I kind of

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knew the episode and I kept pressing that button until I got it.

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I've got something to confess to you now.

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I do not regret that one bit.

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Because I've already watched this episode several times this week

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and enjoyed the hell out of it every single time.

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It's really great, isn't it?

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I really like it a lot.

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In a way, I think I think there's some thing to be said for saying

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that the original is pretty damn special, and I think the reason

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for that is that it's the 1st time that we just do an out and out

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comedy and it's really, really successful, and it's not just the

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tribbles that are the thing, it's really everything, and

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particularly it's Shatner and Nemoy are both really great in that

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episode.

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Shatner is astounding.

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And this is not that.

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Like, this isn't trying to recapture that exactly.

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But what it is, is sort of an agreeable romp in the background of

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that episode.

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And so we have the sort of thinnest possible plot, don't we?

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Like, um, um, put a bomb in a triple. which is just absolute

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genius.

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And in fact, what is great about it is that it ups the stakes and

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it changes the nature of what's going on in the scenes from

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trouble with shrivels that we're watching.

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And there's a real sense too, in which this is them doing what

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they can do with some fairly new technology and then inventing a

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story around what they're able to do.

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And it works really well.

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It does have to be held up by having a framing narrative and by

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having Cisco kind of step in and narrate the steps between the

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scenes that we see.

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Oh, come on.

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The fact that temporal investigations exist at all, it's just...

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It's so great.

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And so that's a really, really funny opening scene and just a

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brilliantly funny and clever closing scene.

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Like it's so, so tremendously good.

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And so you can't object to that at all.

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Like, that's, that's...

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I've heard people object to how thin the plot is and how

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ridiculously simple it is to go back in time and things like

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that.

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I'm like, if you want all of these goodies, we have to get there

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all right, and I'd rather that than some laborious technobabble

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explanation. absolutely.

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They do such a good job.

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They do such a terrifically good job of just setting up a very

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simple plot.

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We travel back in time through the orb of time, which turns up in

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a way that's completely consistent with the show's premise and

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means that we don't have to faff about with an explanation for how

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we travel back in time.

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There's only one time in the past when we've done time travel

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episodes where it's been even more brief than this.

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So that was Assignment Earth.

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Do you remember when they were just like, well, we just went back

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in time and it's just the open scenes, right?

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We can do that.

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Okay.

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You know, at least we use the all pier, you know, it's only going

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to set up a part of the show.

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And then you get like the, they've managed to get Charlie Breal

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back to play on Darvin through the most amazing coincidence in the

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history of Star Trek.

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And he's great.

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Like, he's really great.

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He's actually much, much more fun in this than he is in trouble

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with Tribbles, where it's a very sort of reserve performance.

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And this is much, much more fun and much more genial.

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He's out for revenge.

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It's all very obvious what he wants.

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We have to scan the enterprise.

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We have to scan the station.

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We capture Arn Darvin.

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He gives up his plan immediately because the plan is so

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brilliant.

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Conceal a bomb in a triple in an episode where there's 100, like

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100, 151,000 or whatever, that number.

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That's got in every single one.

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Which one's the problem?

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He can just tell them what his plan is because he just doesn't

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care.

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They've got no hope of finding it.

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It's so fun, but what it allows is just all of these terrific

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scenes about Star Trek, like just original trek and how much we

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love it, but just scenes to where we see the characters all

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interact. everyone's on the defiant.

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And so everyone has things to do.

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We pair characters off.

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We have just a hell of a lot of fun.

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The genius of this.

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It is a love letter to TOS. whilst showing you all of the best

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elements of Deep Space 9.

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And I'm so pleased they waited till season 5 or postseason 4

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because this is the point where all of the relationships in the

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show have matured and are reaping rewards.

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It's the point where all of the actors are comfortable in their

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roles and confident.

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And so you give them lines like this and you give them situations

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as absurd as this and they just run with it.

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I mean, Terry Farrell in this episode. is just heaven, isn't she?

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Lusting off the spot the way she does.

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Well, in fact, what's really great about that is because she plays

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the oldest character, you know, the character who's the oldest.

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And so she's someone who lived through, what we call the era of

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those old scientists, and she remembers it.

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We didn't, we determined.

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She was born in 96 or something in a recent episode, you know?

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Yeah, yeah, that's right.

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That's right.

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We did work out.

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So she's alive now, I think, probably.

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But she remembers it.

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And so she sees it like a Star Trek fan sees it someone who

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watched it.

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There were people like us watching Deep Space Night who hadn't

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come to it through original Trek, but there were people who had

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seen original Trek, and she's taking their viewpoint.

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And the moment where she gets out the tricorder prop and she's

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stroking it.

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It's got like what looks like a little cathode ray TV in it and

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she's talking about the classic 1960s design of it, although she

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calls it the 23rd century design.

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You and me talking about the original series.

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Absolutely.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly right.

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Exactly right.

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Now, because we're more familiar with it.

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And so she is watching it as a Star Trek fan, someone who loves

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Koloth.

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You know, we met him in season 2 of Space 9.

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Yeah, yeah.

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So we already know about him.

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All of that stuff is so enjoyable and she just looks so

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magnificent in the in the uniform, everything, just gray.

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On top of that, I think it's genuinely very funny as well.

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And, you know, we've often said that DS Night is the only show

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that really nails comedy in 90s trek.

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And I think that the best writers of the comedy, and that's Ron

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Moore, Ira bet.

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They're all in here, aren't they?

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They're all in it, right in lines.

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They're all massive fans of the original series.

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So they know what they're talking about, but they're all invested

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in the DS9 characters as well.

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So, you know, forgive me, it seems like your flaps open and that

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scene between a Brian and Bashir in the turbo lift.

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All of that stuff is just gold.

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I mean, we're not going to have trouble watching this thing, are

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we?

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No, no, not at all.

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It's terrific stuff.

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It's really really great.

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What I think is very rare is that this episode was highly

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anticipated.

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I remember.

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I was a massive fan of DS9 at this point.

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I remember DreamWatch doing a huge feature on the special effects

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of like the green screen and stuff and pitches were coming through

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with like Avery and Terry against blue backdrops and I was going

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oh God, no, is this going to work?

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How are they going to do this?

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Because I hadn't really seen anything quite like that before.

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And then when it came out. everybody. everybody loved it.

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It got exactly the response they wanted, and now it sort of

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lingers on everybody's kind of top 10 list.

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It was a huge win for him, wasn't it?

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It was a risk, but it was a massive win.

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So they actually spend quite a lot of time making the sets.

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I mean, we had had an Enterprise bridge, obviously, in relics, but

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this is remade and vastly superior to the one that we see.

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I just love wonderful.

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I love Avery just there scanning the ship for bombs with that

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panel of coloured lights in front of him, which I just wanted to

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sit there and play with those.

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They looked amazing.

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Like it looks so...

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Every time we go back to the defiant, I go, oh, this is so

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boring.

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Get back to the...

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Yeah, yeah.

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I mean, it looks amazing.

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It just looks incredible.

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And and it's really faithful.

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It's actually surprising how little they use the, um, you know

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matting people into old footage.

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There's not as much of it as you think.

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There's a lot more intercutting between the original footage and

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footage that's especially shown on the new sets.

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The director is Jonathan West, who does a bunch of other deep

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space nines, and he was a cinematographer before them.

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And so he's actually using different film and different camera

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lenses and lighting things differently in order to make sure that

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it's seamless and it nearly is, I think.

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I can see in my mind's eye other Jonathan West directed episodes.

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He did the adversary, which is visually really good.

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He did wrong, darker than death and night, and insisted on having

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the sun coming through the windows because back in time, you know

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Bajor and the station are right next to each other.

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So visually, I mean, the attention to detail had to be perfect

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here.

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Remember, we're dealing with Star Trek fans, okay?

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Yeah, yeah.

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They've all got the manuals, you know, they'll have them all out

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going, did they get it all right?

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Okay.

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And and, you know, like essentially, they have them wander around

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the ship and they don't interact with the characters very much.

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The tribbles aren't in it as much as you would think.

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The tribles really only sort of come into their own, maybe 15

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minutes before the end of the episode, and you aren't wondering

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where they are.

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It's, I don't know.

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I just think it's terrifically, terrifically well done.

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And the technology, which was just developing.

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It was used in the Mambo Kings in 1992 and in Forest Gump in

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1994.

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And this is 1996.

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You know, they can do it on a TV budget.

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It was the most expensive episode of Star Trek at that point, I

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think, all the way to the end of the season.

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But it was worth it.

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It was absolutely worth it.

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I said to you in a message as well. that I think, I don't think

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there's another DS line comedy that feels quite like this one.

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The Ferengi episodes are usually sort of quite bawdy and a bit

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political.

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Stuff like, oh man, Bashir, it's stylish as hell, but all a bit

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obvious.

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Whereas there's a delicacy to this.

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A gentleness to this.

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I really, really like the DS9 doesn't lean into too often, but

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because it's a massive nostalgia fest.

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Of course they're going to go there with this.

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And I think that I think the other thing to do was to make sure

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that you were looking at Star Trek, the TV show, that this wasn't

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about nostalgia for the 2260s or whatever.

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Do you know what I mean?

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Like it was actual proper nostalgia for the TV show that they were

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celebrating.

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And so when Voyager does its 30th anniversary thing, It fails to

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engage with a TV show in any kind of worthwhile way?

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squeeze a story in between a gap in continuity in Star Trek 6 by

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bringing back Bryce Lee Whitney to deliver more than expository

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scenes.

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I mean, there's things about flashback that are good, though.

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They do recreate those sets of the Excelsior and things like

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that.

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Yeah, but it's compared to this.

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It's such a half-assed Star Trek episode, you know?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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That wasn't the most expensive Star Trek episodes today.

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I'm telling you that now.

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Almost certainly not.

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I'm gonna get my one issue with the episode out of the way before

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we press play because frankly, I just want to say nice things

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about this.

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Okay, good.

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And that is Kira.

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And so I'm blaming Sid entirely for this, for making her

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pregnant.

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So they didn't want to squeeze her into one of those original

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series episodes.

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And there's so many interviews where Nanar goes, you better

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believe I got on that piano and some fever.

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I didn't get anything to do in the triple episode, for God's

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sake.

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She's heavily pregnant at this point.

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And so she's stuck on the defiant playing about with the orb of

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time or something like that.

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And I would have loved to have seen her sort of early season 4

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with a Farrah false haircut that she had.

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That's my only real issue is that Kira doesn't get to join in the

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fun.

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But, you know, she's pregnant.

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Yeah.

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All right.

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Well, I think we should go in then in that case.

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Let's do it I will count us in.

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Five, four, three, two, one, and we're off.

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Okay, so the Defiant.

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No, it's not the Defiant.

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It's, it's, oh, it's, okay.

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It's the, uh, it's temporal investigation. temporal

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investigation.

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Dalmer and Lustley.

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Yes.

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And so this is my problem with the episode.

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Oh, come on.

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Why is not why isn't one of them a woman?

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Oh, okay.

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Yes, yeah, fair enough.

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Because they're kind of a comedy double act, aren't they?

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Like, they're wearing pinstripes?

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You know, they're wearing pinstripes.

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So they're bureaucrats, you know, from the Federation.

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Uh, and they are properly funny.

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I did love...

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She's playing off a look from Nanar as well.

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I mean, the idea the idea of triple investigations is funny.

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The idea of when they hear Kirk's name, his name, 13 separate

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temporal violations.

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17.

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Oh, is it?

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Jesus Christ.

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Yeah.

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And and and the fact that they're sick of all these sort of time

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loop bullshit themselves.

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Do you know what I mean?

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They're having to investigate this stuff all the time.

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And it's kind of like, yeah, don't tell us it's a predestination

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paradox. hate those.

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Basically, you and me watching time travel episodes of Star Trek

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going, oh, we've heard all this bullshit before, for God's sakes.

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Yeah, exactly.

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Exactly.

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Oh, he goes.

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Francisco goes, it may take some time. that a joke?

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No.

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Good.

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We hate those two.

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Yeah, that's right.

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And we're getting the orb explained to us as well, which I think

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is actually really good because this is a person who knows about

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it explaining it to someone who doesn't know about it.

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It's not just regulars explaining orbs to each other, which would

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be kind of terrible.

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Um, and so this framing sequence, apart from giving us these 2

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guys, uh, and giving us the brilliant ending that this episode has

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also lets us kind of skate over a lot of crap because they're

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limited in what they can do because they're structuring this

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around an existing episode and what they can afford to do with it

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is Charlie.

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Charlie Bro.

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Human.

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He's almost unrecognisable.

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Like, it's like, you know, they got someone else to...

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I didn't recognise him when I 1st saw it.

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I mean, it took me a while.

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And when you see him, you know, he is so contained, you know, and

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and it's not just age.

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It's, I described him, I think, in our episode.

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I described him as being a bit more lived in, like his face is

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just a little bit more lived in, a little bit more animated.

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It's a really fun and funny performance.

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He's a comedian.

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You know, like he's, he's, he's playing much more to type than he

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does in the original Star Trek as well, Nathan.

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I deal with gemstones, kivas, and trillium, mostly, which is what

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he said in...

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No, trouble trickles.

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Oh, God.

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Well we'll do that again.

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Oh, certainly.

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Here's the lilac line.

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Oh, so funny.

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If I look on wharf's face.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Just for a second.

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Oh, I smell like lilac.

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And then O'Brien goes, just sniff the air next time and you see

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him and go, is that lilac?

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And then Dax goes, oh, don't.

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I've got my own ways to punish war.

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Torture warf.

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No, to torture my own place of torture.

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She does.

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I bet she bloody does.

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Oh, yeah.

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Of course.

393
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Looking for Pomok was 2 episodes before this.

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Ah, yeah.

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I just started fucking together.

396
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Okay, now we get the glowy orb glowiness, like it's telltale orb

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glowiness.

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Those of us who've watched Deep Space 9 will know that that's orb

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shenanigans happening, which is quite well done.

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You just get a single line from O'Brien about the energy around

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the ship or something and that's it.

402
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Yeah, yeah.

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But also, what's interesting too, is that what's showing on the

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view screen on the Defiance viewscreen is TV static.

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Do you know what I mean?

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We're about to tune into a television program.

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My God, it's an episode of the original series.

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That's right.

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That's it.

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And even the music goes.

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It's terrific.

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It looks so sexy as well.

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Doesn't it?

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Good, beautiful, Sean.

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It's nice seeing it from below. you know, like you might in the

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films.

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Yeah, it was just sort of zoomed past, didn't it?

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In the original series.

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Well, in the animated series, it sort of came in horizontally.

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No, there's one.

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Don't you remember?

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one where they're clearly, laboriously drawing each frame of it as

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it turns around the corner in the opening credits.

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When it goes in a straight line, it's the funniest thing.

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I wonder if they could have done something with the music, the

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title music.

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I know it's not a Duke Space 9 episode, but so they had wanted to

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do closing credits where it was like stills from the show, like

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you know, and it's Baylock, and it's, you know, like they had

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wanted to do special credits for it, but they weren't allowed to.

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And they were told, this is run so far over budget. doing extra.

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I would have just taken reaction shots throughout the episode.

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You know, Dax at the start there when she went, oh, my God.

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But then you would have a Baylock at the end, right?

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Or the bone bar or something really terrible.

436
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Look how terrible the aliens have got since the 60s.

437
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Oh, I mean, just that though, right?

438
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Just the glowing energy.

439
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Oh, we're in the past.

440
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Perfect.

441
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

442
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It's perfect.

443
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Yeah.

444
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No, no.

445
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You just don't need...

446
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Why would you need anything else?

447
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Techno Bubble has, that is flash.

448
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That is flashback.

449
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Shoebox getting this image of a girl falling off a cliff.

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Do you remember?

451
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Oh, yes.

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Help me, Tuvok, help me.

453
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And they're sort of going through all the Tetla babble throughout

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the episode to try and figure out what this is all about.

455
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Who cares?

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They do a very lower decks, little moment of technobabble here

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which I'll try and remember to point out.

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And I think you might even know what it is.

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We have like 5 minutes of them figuring out, oh, so this is a plot

460
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that TV episode from the past.

461
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Let's get in the uniforms now and have some fun.

462
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

463
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And it is just hang time.

465
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Again.

466
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Okay.

467
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So there have been 6 enterprises, according to one of them.

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And it's not the NXO one, which wasn't even a glint in their eye.

469
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It's that 1st contact comes out about 2 weeks after this.

470
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Okay.

471
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All right.

472
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Yeah.

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The man was a menace.

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Captain Kirk.

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Always enough.

476
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I loved.

477
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I love what nerds they are.

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He says the Stardate.

479
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They say how far back in time it was that the guy says on Friday

480
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which is just... look how great K7 looks.

481
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They had to rebuild it.

482
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It's terrific.

483
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It is terrific, isn't it?

484
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Really cool.

485
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Oh, come on now. get out of these boring defiant sets.

486
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We've got the enterprise over there.

487
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That's right Now, listen, don't watch this one first, all right?

488
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They're revealing all the end of the trouble with triples, yeah?

489
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The previous one.

490
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Yeah, that's right.

491
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So how is it used to the orb?

492
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Oh, who cares?

493
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Who cares?

494
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it doesn't matter.

495
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Yeah, yeah.

496
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Yeah.

497
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She must have known about it.

498
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Now I'm asking the questions.

499
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Yeah.

500
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Okay, so he's been eating it, I need to know.

501
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Amiga life on Cardassia Prime.

502
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But then, of course, the DS9 politics came in and the Klingons

503
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invaded and now he's free.

504
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Yep.

505
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Well, because he said earlier on, he was thanking God that the

506
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Klingons invaded because at least they knew how to make a good

507
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coffee, and that's going to be a plot point later, that he knows

508
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what Raktagino is, but no humans in the 23rd century know what it

509
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is.

510
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And that line where he's racist, because again, he's really old.

511
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Do you know what I mean?

512
00:23:10.980 --> 00:23:11.819
He's a 100 years old.

513
00:23:11.819 --> 00:23:15.240
And so he's doing all this anti-Klingon racism and stuff like that

514
00:23:15.240 --> 00:23:18.420
and how terrible the Cardassians are for drinking fish juice and

515
00:23:18.420 --> 00:23:18.720
stuff.

516
00:23:18.779 --> 00:23:22.859
I just love the fact that the linchpin of his life is that moment

517
00:23:22.859 --> 00:23:25.200
where he was exposed by a triple.

518
00:23:25.259 --> 00:23:27.720
That was the moment where his life went downhill.

519
00:23:27.779 --> 00:23:28.680
Yeah.

520
00:23:29.160 --> 00:23:33.839
I mean, of course the climax to this was always going to lead to

521
00:23:33.839 --> 00:23:35.700
Kirk covered in those triples.

522
00:23:35.759 --> 00:23:37.980
It was going to be something around that moment, right?

523
00:23:38.039 --> 00:23:39.420
That's the iconic moment.

524
00:23:39.480 --> 00:23:41.279
Absolutely it is.

525
00:23:41.339 --> 00:23:41.940
Yeah.

526
00:23:42.000 --> 00:23:45.599
Oh, and do you know, another complaint I have heard about this

527
00:23:45.599 --> 00:23:50.400
episode is that the, obviously the 90s music isn't as fun as the

528
00:23:50.400 --> 00:23:51.420
TOS music.

529
00:23:51.480 --> 00:23:52.019
That's fair.

530
00:23:52.079 --> 00:23:55.440
And it isn't, but they are having more fun here than they usually

531
00:23:55.440 --> 00:23:56.099
do.

532
00:23:56.220 --> 00:24:01.380
It's much less fun than the trouble with Tripples music, though

533
00:24:01.380 --> 00:24:02.700
which is really fun.

534
00:24:02.759 --> 00:24:03.359
Would you remember?

535
00:24:03.960 --> 00:24:08.519
Yeah, that weird sort of alien music that they had. is, Yeah

536
00:24:08.519 --> 00:24:08.880
you're right.

537
00:24:09.000 --> 00:24:09.599
Oh here we go.

538
00:24:09.660 --> 00:24:11.579
Yeah.

539
00:24:11.640 --> 00:24:15.779
I don't know why, but everyone suddenly becomes more sexy when

540
00:24:15.779 --> 00:24:17.700
they put on the TOS uniform.

541
00:24:17.700 --> 00:24:19.619
Except Columnini, bless him.

542
00:24:19.680 --> 00:24:20.220
Yeah.

543
00:24:20.279 --> 00:24:23.579
Oh, the red, I think the red suits him, though.

544
00:24:23.640 --> 00:24:27.119
I mean, Bashir looks fucking giving. stepped right out of a TOS

545
00:24:27.119 --> 00:24:27.900
episode, doesn't he?

546
00:24:27.960 --> 00:24:29.099
Yeah, doesn't he?

547
00:24:29.160 --> 00:24:30.059
The hair is really great.

548
00:24:30.119 --> 00:24:33.599
The English accent isn't, but the KO is really great.

549
00:24:33.660 --> 00:24:36.660
You can see now his hair's plastered down there, just how much

550
00:24:36.660 --> 00:24:37.559
he's receding.

551
00:24:37.619 --> 00:24:38.880
Oh, see, it's got you.

552
00:24:38.940 --> 00:24:40.680
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

553
00:24:40.740 --> 00:24:41.039
Yeah.

554
00:24:41.160 --> 00:24:44.819
And they've given him spock style sort of pointed sideburns as

555
00:24:44.819 --> 00:24:45.059
well.

556
00:24:45.119 --> 00:24:46.200
Yes.

557
00:24:46.259 --> 00:24:48.240
Yeah, well, they're the Star Trek signburns.

558
00:24:48.359 --> 00:24:49.859
Absolutely the thing.

559
00:24:49.920 --> 00:24:54.660
Nathan, I think I might be on the turn looking at...

560
00:24:54.839 --> 00:24:56.940
I do like too.

561
00:24:57.000 --> 00:25:01.500
Like, there is something, we get sort of fairly horny, um, Julian

562
00:25:01.500 --> 00:25:05.400
in this, uh, in a, in like a few ways he wants to go off and go

563
00:25:05.400 --> 00:25:07.680
and fuck his great grandmother in a few minutes time.

564
00:25:07.740 --> 00:25:09.059
Oh, no.

565
00:25:09.059 --> 00:25:11.700
But I do like his line.

566
00:25:11.759 --> 00:25:13.980
Or is that just an excuse?

567
00:25:14.039 --> 00:25:15.000
Yes.

568
00:25:15.059 --> 00:25:16.380
Yes.

569
00:25:16.440 --> 00:25:17.700
That's what that is.

570
00:25:17.759 --> 00:25:20.819
You're getting Una vibes from Dax.

571
00:25:20.880 --> 00:25:22.980
I was really seeing number one, actually.

572
00:25:23.039 --> 00:25:25.740
I mean, the beehive haircut.

573
00:25:25.799 --> 00:25:27.180
I mean, why did it ever go away?

574
00:25:27.240 --> 00:25:31.200
It's so great, and she's taller than Avery, because she's wearing

575
00:25:31.200 --> 00:25:34.500
really high heels, and she's, so when they're walking through the

576
00:25:34.500 --> 00:25:35.759
corridors to care, though.

577
00:25:35.819 --> 00:25:38.579
She's kind of towering over him, which is pretty funny.

578
00:25:38.640 --> 00:25:42.420
I just love how she's so excited and throughout the whole episode

579
00:25:42.420 --> 00:25:44.160
he's just going, ducks, come on.

580
00:25:44.220 --> 00:25:46.259
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right.

581
00:25:46.319 --> 00:25:50.160
Oh, look at this walking around the Enterprise corridors.

582
00:25:50.759 --> 00:25:57.720
So apparently, this is their 1st view of them, that when they open

583
00:25:57.720 --> 00:26:00.119
the door and come through, they hadn't been on the set before.

584
00:26:00.180 --> 00:26:02.819
So they've got like a proper life reaction.

585
00:26:02.940 --> 00:26:03.720
Amazing.

586
00:26:03.779 --> 00:26:04.500
Yeah, yeah.

587
00:26:04.559 --> 00:26:06.000
Because it's incredible.

588
00:26:06.059 --> 00:26:09.299
I'm not sure if I believe that, but it is pretty great.

589
00:26:09.420 --> 00:26:10.259
You know me.

590
00:26:10.319 --> 00:26:11.519
I like to do extra watch.

591
00:26:11.579 --> 00:26:14.160
Did you see that woman there walking down towards the camera?

592
00:26:14.700 --> 00:26:17.220
She had some swagger about her.

593
00:26:17.279 --> 00:26:18.539
I mean, I...

594
00:26:18.539 --> 00:26:23.880
Oh, every scene in the turbo lift with O'Brien and Bashir gold.

595
00:26:24.000 --> 00:26:25.980
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

596
00:26:26.099 --> 00:26:27.839
I really like the scene later.

597
00:26:27.900 --> 00:26:29.279
Like, there's...

598
00:26:29.279 --> 00:26:32.339
Like, there's some hilarious scenes.

599
00:26:32.400 --> 00:26:36.960
There's that scene, this scene here now with, is it Ensign Watt

600
00:26:36.960 --> 00:26:40.799
Lieutenant Whatley, who's about to come into the turbo lift, and

601
00:26:40.799 --> 00:26:42.720
the fact that they can't make the turbo lift work.

602
00:26:42.779 --> 00:26:44.640
It's over East Gaston, Deck 31.

603
00:26:44.880 --> 00:26:45.839
Why isn't it working?

604
00:26:45.900 --> 00:26:49.259
But isn't that a little bit like Scotty picking up the mouse on

605
00:26:49.259 --> 00:26:50.940
the mackintosh and talking into it?

606
00:26:51.000 --> 00:26:53.460
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

607
00:26:53.519 --> 00:26:54.720
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

608
00:26:55.200 --> 00:26:57.720
Yeah, she's great.

609
00:26:57.779 --> 00:27:03.119
She's got fantastic 60s makeup and like her hair and she is sort

610
00:27:03.119 --> 00:27:04.619
of...

611
00:27:04.680 --> 00:27:05.160
Do you see her?

612
00:27:05.220 --> 00:27:06.119
Looking him up and down.

613
00:27:06.180 --> 00:27:07.680
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

614
00:27:07.680 --> 00:27:08.519
God.

615
00:27:08.579 --> 00:27:11.400
I'm so pleased I transferred to this ship.

616
00:27:11.460 --> 00:27:13.140
Good God. for swinging 60s.

617
00:27:13.200 --> 00:27:14.339
Look at the gels.

618
00:27:14.400 --> 00:27:16.500
Like, look at the green gels and stuff.

619
00:27:16.500 --> 00:27:17.819
Like, wonderful.

620
00:27:17.880 --> 00:27:21.180
The very simple control panels. just a door that...

621
00:27:21.960 --> 00:27:24.059
It's so good.

622
00:27:24.720 --> 00:27:26.640
Oh, really?

623
00:27:26.640 --> 00:27:30.119
Look at her geeking out over the, over the beautiful.

624
00:27:30.180 --> 00:27:33.059
It's like it's designed by brawn or something like that.

625
00:27:33.059 --> 00:27:37.319
It does, it's got a little cathode ray tube in it and stuff.

626
00:27:37.380 --> 00:27:41.099
I've never been stroked the way she stroked that piece of

627
00:27:41.099 --> 00:27:42.119
equipment there, you know.

628
00:27:42.180 --> 00:27:44.039
Oh, here we go.

629
00:27:44.099 --> 00:27:45.960
Odo in K7s bar.

630
00:27:46.019 --> 00:27:48.720
I wonder if that's going to be an altercation here later.

631
00:27:49.319 --> 00:27:54.599
Well, again, because that's that's a pretty fun comedy set piece

632
00:27:54.599 --> 00:27:58.019
and they've just decided we have to get our guys in that.

633
00:27:58.200 --> 00:27:58.740
Do you know what I mean?

634
00:27:58.799 --> 00:28:03.240
Like we have to... where they're doing a lot of the integrators.

635
00:28:03.299 --> 00:28:07.019
And it's very fast editing, so you sort of have to pay attention.

636
00:28:07.319 --> 00:28:09.119
Yeah, that's right.

637
00:28:09.180 --> 00:28:12.599
And it's not, it's, there's actually very little special effects

638
00:28:12.599 --> 00:28:12.960
there.

639
00:28:13.019 --> 00:28:15.779
It is just intercutting new and old material, but they're having

640
00:28:15.779 --> 00:28:17.099
to plan very carefully.

641
00:28:17.160 --> 00:28:22.259
Uhura and check off walking past Odo, but they cut away from the

642
00:28:22.259 --> 00:28:24.779
shot and have just 2 extras in the uniform.

643
00:28:24.839 --> 00:28:25.500
That's exactly right.

644
00:28:25.920 --> 00:28:26.640
So they're not clever.

645
00:28:26.700 --> 00:28:27.839
They're not integrated in this.

646
00:28:27.900 --> 00:28:31.799
We said, we said, this woman who's so great.

647
00:28:32.099 --> 00:28:36.660
So everyone has little fairy wings on their outfit and so we see

648
00:28:36.660 --> 00:28:39.480
an actual woman who's from the original episode.

649
00:28:39.539 --> 00:28:44.160
This woman appears in the bar but isn't in the original episode.

650
00:28:44.279 --> 00:28:48.299
But she's got, like, she's brought her tits with her, hasn't she?

651
00:28:48.359 --> 00:28:48.660
Look at that.

652
00:28:48.720 --> 00:28:50.640
I just love how she's always smiling.

653
00:28:50.700 --> 00:28:52.019
Would you like something else?

654
00:28:54.480 --> 00:28:57.599
Everyone looks ready to fuck in the 60s.

655
00:28:59.160 --> 00:29:02.519
When did we get so serious in the 90s?

656
00:29:02.579 --> 00:29:04.740
Yeah, yeah, it's funny, isn't it?

657
00:29:04.799 --> 00:29:08.579
Because I think the people, I think the people on Enterprise and

658
00:29:08.579 --> 00:29:10.680
Stranger Worlds are DTAF as well.

659
00:29:11.339 --> 00:29:13.079
Did you see?

660
00:29:13.200 --> 00:29:15.240
Oh, Nichelle looks so beautiful there.

661
00:29:15.299 --> 00:29:16.079
Good grief.

662
00:29:16.140 --> 00:29:20.880
And so we, that was a scene where we actually mattered Odo into

663
00:29:20.880 --> 00:29:24.059
the background of that shot, which I think is pretty good, and

664
00:29:24.059 --> 00:29:25.380
that's the 1st time we see it happen.

665
00:29:25.440 --> 00:29:28.019
I did notice as well, and I'll try and point it out when I can.

666
00:29:28.079 --> 00:29:31.559
They did do some clever shadow work as well when they were

667
00:29:31.559 --> 00:29:34.140
integrating scenes together, which I thought they pulled off

668
00:29:34.140 --> 00:29:34.920
pretty well.

669
00:29:34.980 --> 00:29:37.980
Look at, look at that weird gift wrapped.

670
00:29:38.039 --> 00:29:39.599
Jeffrey's shoot.

671
00:29:39.660 --> 00:29:44.460
So that there's a problem with that that's not original, but they

672
00:29:44.460 --> 00:29:47.400
couldn't get anything that really matched, apparently.

673
00:29:47.460 --> 00:29:50.099
There's something on memory alpha about someone criticising it.

674
00:29:50.160 --> 00:29:52.259
I think they brought David Gerald onto the set.

675
00:29:52.259 --> 00:29:56.099
I think they brought David Gerald onto the set, who's really

676
00:29:56.099 --> 00:29:58.559
positive about the episode, but he says, yeah, it didn't look like

677
00:29:58.559 --> 00:29:58.740
that.

678
00:29:58.859 --> 00:30:00.480
And they said, yeah, they've stopped making it.

679
00:30:00.539 --> 00:30:01.619
Oh my god.

680
00:30:01.680 --> 00:30:04.019
Hot Asian guy from the 60s.

681
00:30:04.079 --> 00:30:06.660
Yeah, so this is the engineer.

682
00:30:06.720 --> 00:30:10.319
And again, he's got a real wholesome all American boy kind of

683
00:30:10.319 --> 00:30:15.299
accent, so he just seems like someone who was on TV in the 1960s.

684
00:30:15.359 --> 00:30:19.559
Every single guest character in this who's supposed to be from

685
00:30:19.559 --> 00:30:21.660
it's just so authentic, isn't it?

686
00:30:21.720 --> 00:30:24.839
I don't think anyone feels like a 90s actor in this.

687
00:30:24.960 --> 00:30:25.559
No.

688
00:30:25.619 --> 00:30:28.259
And it's basically just those three.

689
00:30:28.319 --> 00:30:31.980
Isn't it the waitress, this engineer in this scene, and Lieutenant

690
00:30:31.980 --> 00:30:32.579
Whately.

691
00:30:32.640 --> 00:30:37.859
I think this is really funny because, you know, we're humiliating

692
00:30:37.859 --> 00:30:41.099
miles in this conversation, you know what I mean?

693
00:30:41.160 --> 00:30:43.500
Like Miles can't cope with the stress.

694
00:30:43.559 --> 00:30:45.299
Well, he's a cop, isn't he?

695
00:30:45.359 --> 00:30:46.259
He goes, look at this.

696
00:30:46.319 --> 00:30:47.460
It's all cross-punched.

697
00:30:47.519 --> 00:30:50.400
It's one of Scotty's terrible botch jobs, you know, to keep it

698
00:30:50.400 --> 00:30:50.940
going.

699
00:30:51.000 --> 00:30:54.900
But I was actually there because he looked like he was scanning

700
00:30:54.900 --> 00:30:56.160
with that tricorder.

701
00:30:56.220 --> 00:30:58.920
Like, and I'm there going, that's a medical tricorder.

702
00:30:58.980 --> 00:31:01.140
And then the engineer comes up and goes, that's a medical

703
00:31:01.140 --> 00:31:03.539
tricorder, which is pretty quick.

704
00:31:03.599 --> 00:31:07.680
And then it turns out that he's, you know, trailing poor old

705
00:31:07.680 --> 00:31:11.640
lieutenant O'Brien, who's not coping with the stress at work.

706
00:31:11.880 --> 00:31:13.980
Oh, he goes.

707
00:31:14.039 --> 00:31:14.819
I hope you feel better.

708
00:31:16.980 --> 00:31:18.720
That's great.

709
00:31:19.380 --> 00:31:23.519
Oh, Brian, you can't talk about patch ups with technology, all

710
00:31:23.519 --> 00:31:23.759
right?

711
00:31:23.819 --> 00:31:25.140
That's all you ever bloody.

712
00:31:25.319 --> 00:31:25.920
Oh, my God.

713
00:31:25.980 --> 00:31:27.299
Well, in fact that's what Julian says.

714
00:31:27.480 --> 00:31:29.160
We can't hear it.

715
00:31:29.220 --> 00:31:32.880
But you could already hear the... of the tribles.

716
00:31:34.380 --> 00:31:37.200
Watch when he hands it to wharf.

717
00:31:37.259 --> 00:31:38.640
It just starts wobbling in his hand.

718
00:31:38.700 --> 00:31:39.539
Oh, please.

719
00:31:40.920 --> 00:31:42.660
There we go.

720
00:31:43.140 --> 00:31:47.640
Tell me, Nathan, do they still sing songs of the great triple

721
00:31:47.640 --> 00:31:48.059
hunt?

722
00:31:48.599 --> 00:31:53.099
Do you notice that that's what we go to the 1st ad break is the

723
00:31:53.099 --> 00:31:54.359
reveal of the trible?

724
00:31:54.420 --> 00:31:57.299
Very dramatic one knows what they are.

725
00:31:57.359 --> 00:31:58.140
Yeah.

726
00:31:58.200 --> 00:31:58.740
You know what?

727
00:31:58.740 --> 00:32:00.059
Bailey Wharf knows what they are.

728
00:32:00.180 --> 00:32:02.220
They are an ecological menace.

729
00:32:02.279 --> 00:32:06.480
You know, the great Klingon armado went to the triple homeworld

730
00:32:06.480 --> 00:32:07.920
and obliterated it.

731
00:32:07.980 --> 00:32:10.500
I love the phrase, the trible home world.

732
00:32:10.559 --> 00:32:11.819
That's great.

733
00:32:12.480 --> 00:32:15.660
I mean, like they're an intergalactic power.

734
00:32:15.720 --> 00:32:18.119
This is what I mean about setting this in series 5.

735
00:32:18.359 --> 00:32:20.940
You wouldn't have this Odo in series one or two.

736
00:32:21.059 --> 00:32:22.859
Yeah, yeah.

737
00:32:22.920 --> 00:32:23.519
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

738
00:32:23.579 --> 00:32:24.960
He's really funny in this.

739
00:32:25.019 --> 00:32:29.579
And I mean, like, what is this doing?

740
00:32:29.640 --> 00:32:32.940
This is actually setting up the reaction, isn't it?

741
00:32:33.000 --> 00:32:38.759
Like it's setting up the the reaction that we will see the triple

742
00:32:38.759 --> 00:32:42.839
having to um, um, Darvin at the end of the episode.

743
00:32:42.900 --> 00:32:44.460
So we need to see it.

744
00:32:44.519 --> 00:32:45.839
That's the job that it's doing.

745
00:32:45.900 --> 00:32:47.880
We've always told that already, haven't we, at the start?

746
00:32:47.940 --> 00:32:48.900
We sort of have.

747
00:32:48.960 --> 00:32:49.859
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

748
00:32:49.920 --> 00:32:55.259
But all of this stuff is just backstory about the triples, which

749
00:32:55.259 --> 00:32:58.859
is just hilarious. like unbelievably...

750
00:32:58.980 --> 00:33:02.099
So much comedy at this point, that when he holds on for triple or

751
00:33:02.099 --> 00:33:05.700
goes, this, I'm more so enemy of the empire.

752
00:33:07.079 --> 00:33:12.299
I talked about the head waggle that he does about the great triple

753
00:33:12.299 --> 00:33:13.559
hunt, you know.

754
00:33:14.339 --> 00:33:16.079
Very funny.

755
00:33:16.559 --> 00:33:18.779
And actually, do you remember?

756
00:33:18.839 --> 00:33:20.339
We did say one episode.

757
00:33:20.400 --> 00:33:23.279
My God, in TOS, there's so many people in the corridors.

758
00:33:23.339 --> 00:33:25.380
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

759
00:33:25.440 --> 00:33:26.640
Well, they say that as well.

760
00:33:26.700 --> 00:33:28.319
They say they really packed them in.

761
00:33:28.440 --> 00:33:29.759
They really pack them in these old ships.

762
00:33:29.819 --> 00:33:32.400
You know, I don't usually think that yellow suit.

763
00:33:32.460 --> 00:33:34.500
Avery looks great, doesn't he?

764
00:33:34.559 --> 00:33:36.420
Yeah, yeah, I think he does.

765
00:33:36.480 --> 00:33:37.380
He looks really good.

766
00:33:37.440 --> 00:33:39.480
I'd covered him in mustard any day, you know.

767
00:33:39.539 --> 00:33:40.200
Oh sorry.

768
00:33:42.299 --> 00:33:46.200
See, I'm in the 60s, it's getting real horny. so sorry.

769
00:33:46.259 --> 00:33:50.519
I love Cisco to Defiant and he taps his chest and then he realises

770
00:33:50.519 --> 00:33:55.259
and then he gets out the sexy flip thing.

771
00:33:55.319 --> 00:33:58.319
And do you remember, do you remember Captain Pikes?

772
00:33:58.380 --> 00:34:03.480
Um, response to learning that the, that, um, Boimler's

773
00:34:03.480 --> 00:34:06.359
communicator was in his badge and he kind of goes, but the

774
00:34:06.359 --> 00:34:07.859
flipping thing, that's the best part.

775
00:34:09.000 --> 00:34:13.260
Which average reaction when he realised he sort of clicks his

776
00:34:13.260 --> 00:34:15.480
fingers and goes, oh, of course, of course.

777
00:34:17.039 --> 00:34:22.139
Oh, now Ducks, she wants to go over and fangirl over Coloff now

778
00:34:22.139 --> 00:34:22.500
doesn't she?

779
00:34:22.559 --> 00:34:23.460
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

780
00:34:23.519 --> 00:34:24.539
Her old mate.

781
00:34:24.659 --> 00:34:27.719
I'd love to see him in his prime, she goes.

782
00:34:27.840 --> 00:34:30.300
So Carlos's dead at this point.

783
00:34:30.360 --> 00:34:33.480
Isn't he the only one of those 3 Klingon survives blood?

784
00:34:33.539 --> 00:34:34.260
It's cool, yeah.

785
00:34:34.320 --> 00:34:35.039
Cor survives.

786
00:34:35.099 --> 00:34:35.519
Yeah, yeah.

787
00:34:35.579 --> 00:34:35.940
Yeah.

788
00:34:36.000 --> 00:34:37.800
And then he dies in 07.

789
00:34:37.980 --> 00:34:39.239
Yeah that's right.

790
00:34:39.300 --> 00:34:43.739
Yeah, that's that speech, that speech that he gives about being

791
00:34:43.739 --> 00:34:45.119
old.

792
00:34:45.239 --> 00:34:49.019
Um, So, Coloth is back.

793
00:34:49.079 --> 00:34:54.420
He, uh, so he's played by, uh, oh, I don't know.

794
00:34:54.480 --> 00:34:55.500
John Coneyos.

795
00:34:55.559 --> 00:34:56.519
No, that's cool.

796
00:34:56.579 --> 00:34:58.199
No, no, no.

797
00:34:58.260 --> 00:35:01.739
He's got a really boring name, but he doesn't pick our fans away

798
00:35:01.739 --> 00:35:02.340
now, haven't we?

799
00:35:02.400 --> 00:35:03.420
Yeah, I know.

800
00:35:03.480 --> 00:35:04.559
He doesn't appear in this episode.

801
00:35:04.619 --> 00:35:07.500
You can go back and listen to us name him in episode 53.

802
00:35:07.619 --> 00:35:10.619
But what you said there about Dax being the Star Trek fan.

803
00:35:10.679 --> 00:35:13.500
Yeah, that is exactly what a tier.

804
00:35:13.559 --> 00:35:17.820
Oh my god, I would love to see Cor, you know, and it's yeah

805
00:35:17.820 --> 00:35:18.059
exactly.

806
00:35:18.119 --> 00:35:22.500
This beautiful Klingon ship just coming in front of the camera

807
00:35:22.500 --> 00:35:23.159
there too.

808
00:35:23.219 --> 00:35:24.239
So great.

809
00:35:24.360 --> 00:35:29.039
But it just reminds me as well, the simplicity of the design and

810
00:35:29.039 --> 00:35:31.440
the colours that they use.

811
00:35:31.500 --> 00:35:36.000
It's just so much more appealing to look at, the 90s trick.

812
00:35:36.059 --> 00:35:37.320
But the gels.

813
00:35:37.380 --> 00:35:39.719
Look, there's a splash of pink on the wall there and a splash of

814
00:35:39.719 --> 00:35:42.539
green and a splash of yellow for like no reason at all, except

815
00:35:42.539 --> 00:35:43.440
that it looks amazing.

816
00:35:43.500 --> 00:35:45.599
Oh, he is Ensign Whatley again.

817
00:35:45.659 --> 00:35:48.000
Nathan, your flap's open.

818
00:35:48.300 --> 00:35:50.519
That is so great.

819
00:35:50.579 --> 00:35:53.460
I think doesn't he look down as well.

820
00:35:54.840 --> 00:35:56.639
Excuse me?

821
00:35:59.880 --> 00:36:05.099
And this is the one where O'Brien gets back at Julian for

822
00:36:05.099 --> 00:36:09.059
humiliating him in the interaction with the engineer, because he's

823
00:36:09.059 --> 00:36:09.420
always doing that.

824
00:36:09.480 --> 00:36:12.059
And this is their relationship, right?

825
00:36:12.119 --> 00:36:16.019
They love each other, but they're always sniping at each other and

826
00:36:16.019 --> 00:36:17.579
getting one up over on each other.

827
00:36:17.639 --> 00:36:18.659
Yes.

828
00:36:18.659 --> 00:36:22.679
Because doesn't he say, yeah, she's just using you to get to me?

829
00:36:23.159 --> 00:36:25.380
Yeah, all right, column.

830
00:36:25.440 --> 00:36:25.800
All right.

831
00:36:26.880 --> 00:36:29.400
I'm looking at Sid right now.

832
00:36:29.460 --> 00:36:30.659
I don't think that's the case.

833
00:36:30.780 --> 00:36:32.880
He looks beautiful.

834
00:36:33.000 --> 00:36:37.079
I thought we would see her ass as she walked away, and I have to

835
00:36:37.079 --> 00:36:38.639
say, I was a little bit disappointed.

836
00:36:38.699 --> 00:36:43.380
That makes me a sexist old man, I'm afraid, but, you know, that's

837
00:36:43.380 --> 00:36:48.360
a thing. be destined to go and meet her tomorrow and become my own

838
00:36:48.360 --> 00:36:50.099
great grandfather.

839
00:36:50.159 --> 00:36:52.679
I've heard some excuses in my time.

840
00:36:52.739 --> 00:36:54.719
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

841
00:36:55.679 --> 00:37:00.960
But it's the singer is him going, I can't wait to see when we get

842
00:37:00.960 --> 00:37:03.480
back to Deep Space 9, you find out that I never existed.

843
00:37:03.599 --> 00:37:05.340
No, Brian goes...

844
00:37:05.460 --> 00:37:06.360
That would be quite nice.

845
00:37:07.320 --> 00:37:10.679
I wouldn't have to go through the storyteller for one.

846
00:37:15.599 --> 00:37:19.800
Yeah, I mean, I think this is a slightly odd.

847
00:37:19.920 --> 00:37:21.239
I think this is slightly good.

848
00:37:21.300 --> 00:37:23.519
That thing, are you ready to transport, Chief?

849
00:37:23.639 --> 00:37:27.480
Oh, yeah, are we ever, which I think...

850
00:37:27.480 --> 00:37:30.840
So you love it when they rat out Odo and Worf as well and go, oh

851
00:37:30.840 --> 00:37:31.559
how interesting.

852
00:37:31.619 --> 00:37:35.219
You've been waiting in this bar all day while we're crawling

853
00:37:35.219 --> 00:37:36.539
through Jeffrey's tubes.

854
00:37:37.260 --> 00:37:39.599
Oh, no, here we go.

855
00:37:39.659 --> 00:37:40.619
Here we go.

856
00:37:40.679 --> 00:37:42.719
We're about to have Kirk and Spock.

857
00:37:42.900 --> 00:37:45.360
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

858
00:37:45.420 --> 00:37:47.820
But again, you know, we're sandpapering.

859
00:37:47.880 --> 00:37:52.260
Sorry, we're wallpapering over this with another, um, another here

860
00:37:52.260 --> 00:37:52.679
they are.

861
00:37:52.739 --> 00:37:53.340
Here they are.

862
00:37:53.639 --> 00:37:55.079
Wow.

863
00:37:55.320 --> 00:38:00.179
Those eyes, Nathan. the 10 Klingons.

864
00:38:00.539 --> 00:38:03.000
I wasn't aware that 10 Klingons constitutes a swarm.

865
00:38:03.059 --> 00:38:05.699
So great, so good.

866
00:38:07.440 --> 00:38:12.059
Because Mr. Barris, who doesn't really properly make it into this

867
00:38:12.059 --> 00:38:13.920
episode because he's not important.

868
00:38:13.920 --> 00:38:17.219
If you want to see him, you can always go back and watch Trouble

869
00:38:17.219 --> 00:38:17.940
with Tribbles.

870
00:38:18.000 --> 00:38:22.920
But the interactions between Kirk and Mr. Barris are so funny all

871
00:38:22.920 --> 00:38:24.239
the way through that episode.

872
00:38:24.300 --> 00:38:29.639
He's so annoying and Kirk is so so kind of annoyed by him.

873
00:38:29.880 --> 00:38:33.420
Cisco's like, 0 my god, she's got to fuck Spock.

874
00:38:33.480 --> 00:38:33.840
Let's go.

875
00:38:35.340 --> 00:38:40.679
Yeah, he's trying to tie you around the way the grabs are.

876
00:38:40.739 --> 00:38:42.239
Yep, we're going.

877
00:38:42.300 --> 00:38:43.619
Let's go.

878
00:38:43.679 --> 00:38:45.119
And that, there you go.

879
00:38:45.179 --> 00:38:45.719
There's a second.

880
00:38:45.780 --> 00:38:48.239
That's a really nice shot of them just walking away.

881
00:38:48.300 --> 00:38:52.019
There's no panel on the on the wall in the original shot.

882
00:38:52.079 --> 00:38:53.880
So they aren't standing.

883
00:38:53.940 --> 00:38:55.320
They're not matted into a shot.

884
00:38:55.380 --> 00:38:58.260
The whole wall is matted into the shot behind them and it's just

885
00:38:58.260 --> 00:38:59.039
terribly well done.

886
00:38:59.460 --> 00:39:02.039
This is literally what I would be saying to you, Nathan, I can't

887
00:39:02.039 --> 00:39:04.139
believe you don't want to meet James Kirk.

888
00:39:05.039 --> 00:39:07.019
And we go to the street.

889
00:39:07.079 --> 00:39:10.139
I want to ask you about fighting the Gorn on Cester's 3.

890
00:39:10.380 --> 00:39:11.280
God on Cestus 3.

891
00:39:11.519 --> 00:39:16.500
So do I. Yeah.

892
00:39:16.559 --> 00:39:20.940
I mean, this was the only way to do this right is to have one of

893
00:39:20.940 --> 00:39:24.840
the characters be utterly enchanted with the original series.

894
00:39:24.900 --> 00:39:26.699
And it has to be Dax.

895
00:39:26.760 --> 00:39:27.719
Do you know what I mean?

896
00:39:27.780 --> 00:39:30.239
Because she remembers the 60s, you know?

897
00:39:30.300 --> 00:39:33.780
We didn't remember the 60s when we were 1st watching this, but

898
00:39:33.780 --> 00:39:36.300
some people did, and Dax is one of those.

899
00:39:36.360 --> 00:39:37.980
It's pretty great.

900
00:39:38.039 --> 00:39:41.280
They put the Klingons in the background or the bar already. set up

901
00:39:41.280 --> 00:39:41.760
this gag.

902
00:39:41.820 --> 00:39:44.280
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right.

903
00:39:44.340 --> 00:39:45.780
It's really great too.

904
00:39:45.840 --> 00:39:48.119
I mean, they're not the original Klingons at all.

905
00:39:48.179 --> 00:39:53.760
They're, you know, they're new people. and, uh, there will be

906
00:39:53.760 --> 00:39:56.400
shots of the original...

907
00:39:56.460 --> 00:39:58.800
It is slightly different, right?

908
00:39:58.920 --> 00:40:00.360
It's still bad.

909
00:40:00.420 --> 00:40:02.400
It's still appropriate, either way.

910
00:40:04.500 --> 00:40:08.400
That's a lovely shot, but shareholding the chair and then Scotty

911
00:40:08.400 --> 00:40:08.940
comes in the door.

912
00:40:09.000 --> 00:40:10.800
Yes, I think so too.

913
00:40:10.860 --> 00:40:12.119
I think it's really well done.

914
00:40:12.179 --> 00:40:14.880
And again, there's another, that's another sort of shot.

915
00:40:14.940 --> 00:40:16.199
It works really well.

916
00:40:16.260 --> 00:40:19.920
It's like a proper, like it's not a, it's not a showy effect

917
00:40:19.920 --> 00:40:20.460
shot.

918
00:40:20.519 --> 00:40:23.400
You know, it is just people walking behind people, but us watching

919
00:40:23.400 --> 00:40:24.480
it are kind of going, wow.

920
00:40:24.539 --> 00:40:28.559
These are the bad Star Trek fans going, you sure that's James

921
00:40:28.559 --> 00:40:29.099
Kirk?

922
00:40:29.159 --> 00:40:31.199
It doesn't really look like it. does it?

923
00:40:31.980 --> 00:40:33.900
It's so great.

924
00:40:34.739 --> 00:40:38.340
Oh, look, we can't risk altering the timeline.

925
00:40:38.460 --> 00:40:40.320
We can't go up and say hello to him, sorry.

926
00:40:40.380 --> 00:40:42.360
Yeah, and it's also not him.

927
00:40:42.420 --> 00:40:43.079
He a lieutenant.

928
00:40:43.139 --> 00:40:45.239
And he was sexy.

929
00:40:45.300 --> 00:40:48.780
He was shaggy, stunt double, especially, apparently.

930
00:40:48.840 --> 00:40:49.739
Yeah, yeah.

931
00:40:49.800 --> 00:40:50.159
Yeah.

932
00:40:50.219 --> 00:40:52.199
Easy a couple of episodes.

933
00:40:52.260 --> 00:40:53.159
Over there, Nathan.

934
00:40:53.219 --> 00:40:54.119
And over there.

935
00:40:54.179 --> 00:40:55.320
Kelly on's where?

936
00:40:55.380 --> 00:40:55.559
What?

937
00:40:55.559 --> 00:40:55.800
Where?

938
00:40:55.860 --> 00:40:56.280
All right.

939
00:40:56.340 --> 00:40:58.019
You boys have had enough. all right?

940
00:40:58.079 --> 00:40:59.880
I'm cutting you off.

941
00:41:00.480 --> 00:41:03.599
It's just how they all lean into warf.

942
00:41:05.219 --> 00:41:08.400
And he's already anticipating that.

943
00:41:08.400 --> 00:41:10.980
We had that reaction shot of him going, oh shit, they're about to

944
00:41:10.980 --> 00:41:11.280
ask.

945
00:41:11.400 --> 00:41:14.340
And then they whore react and we do the only thing that we could

946
00:41:14.340 --> 00:41:18.480
possibly do, which is, it's a long story.

947
00:41:18.659 --> 00:41:21.539
Which, yep, let's just go with that.

948
00:41:21.599 --> 00:41:25.679
Oh, she suggests it was a viral mutation and Worf just quickly

949
00:41:25.679 --> 00:41:28.079
goes, we don't talk about it with outsiders, all right?

950
00:41:28.199 --> 00:41:28.739
Yeah.

951
00:41:28.800 --> 00:41:31.440
So, no, we have, was it genetic engineering?

952
00:41:31.500 --> 00:41:33.059
Was it a viral mutation?

953
00:41:33.119 --> 00:41:36.539
Like, it's like Mariner coming up with like 5 different possible

954
00:41:36.539 --> 00:41:40.679
Star Trek explanations for this thing, and they dismiss both of

955
00:41:40.679 --> 00:41:44.880
them, except until Enterprise series 4, where we discover it's

956
00:41:44.880 --> 00:41:47.760
both genetic engineering and the viral mutation.

957
00:41:47.820 --> 00:41:50.159
It turns out...

958
00:41:50.219 --> 00:41:51.659
This is how you do it, all right?

959
00:41:51.719 --> 00:41:53.639
We don't need a 3 part to explain it.

960
00:41:53.760 --> 00:41:55.800
We absolutely don't.

961
00:41:55.860 --> 00:41:57.719
It's a TV show.

962
00:41:57.780 --> 00:42:03.000
I mean, this must have taken some planning to have this fight

963
00:42:03.000 --> 00:42:05.760
that's coming up with both sets of characters in it.

964
00:42:05.820 --> 00:42:09.599
Yeah, and I think they pull it off sublimely.

965
00:42:09.659 --> 00:42:13.619
Yeah, so this is, I think this is Korax.

966
00:42:13.679 --> 00:42:15.059
Is that the name of this Klingon?

967
00:42:15.119 --> 00:42:19.260
The rude one who's taunting?

968
00:42:19.320 --> 00:42:26.340
Oh, no, the Enterprise should be hauled away as garbage.

969
00:42:26.460 --> 00:42:28.440
He's very camp, isn't he?

970
00:42:28.500 --> 00:42:29.820
So he's...

971
00:42:29.820 --> 00:42:34.019
Nothing is as camp as Bashir nursing his hand in this scene after

972
00:42:34.019 --> 00:42:35.039
he throws...

973
00:42:35.099 --> 00:42:36.300
Oh, yeah, when she does his shoulder?

974
00:42:36.420 --> 00:42:38.760
That the funniest visual gag for me.

975
00:42:40.079 --> 00:42:45.719
We talked about this fight when it was just on the Star Trek

976
00:42:45.719 --> 00:42:49.019
episode rather than on Deep Space 9.

977
00:42:49.079 --> 00:42:52.920
Hey, the funny thing is, Korax, that Klingon is actually in the

978
00:42:52.920 --> 00:42:57.300
Tribbles episode of TAS as well, but he's played by Jimmy Dewan

979
00:42:57.300 --> 00:42:59.639
just like everyone. on that stupid show.

980
00:42:59.880 --> 00:43:03.599
He's the entire cast of the animator series.

981
00:43:03.659 --> 00:43:05.880
I think we're doing quite a good job.

982
00:43:05.940 --> 00:43:07.440
We just intercard...

983
00:43:07.500 --> 00:43:11.280
Oh, there we have the chair being thrown in front of Miles while

984
00:43:11.280 --> 00:43:15.000
is it Cyrano Jones walks behind them or something like that?

985
00:43:15.000 --> 00:43:16.019
So there is a little bit.

986
00:43:16.079 --> 00:43:17.579
There's a little bit of it.

987
00:43:17.639 --> 00:43:20.820
Yeah, yeah, yeah. when he does, but the other bit that I really

988
00:43:20.820 --> 00:43:26.039
like is when Chekhov pummels that guy, like a bunch of times, these

989
00:43:26.039 --> 00:43:28.860
pummels him in the stomach, we're just saying, and then he just

990
00:43:28.860 --> 00:43:29.880
gets thrown across the table.

991
00:43:31.019 --> 00:43:35.159
They realise to make this fight work and to integrate our

992
00:43:35.159 --> 00:43:38.639
characters because they're all doing comedy fighting, ours have to

993
00:43:38.639 --> 00:43:39.179
do it as well.

994
00:43:39.239 --> 00:43:40.500
Yes, exactly.

995
00:43:40.500 --> 00:43:41.099
It's really important.

996
00:43:41.519 --> 00:43:44.639
It's throwing people across tables.

997
00:43:44.699 --> 00:43:46.800
It's doing sort of silly stuff like that.

998
00:43:46.860 --> 00:43:50.039
Klingons bouncing on the floor, you know, and falling over and

999
00:43:50.039 --> 00:43:54.539
then we get a shot of, you know, the guy who's not Kirk throwing

1000
00:43:54.539 --> 00:43:55.679
people in a similar way.

1001
00:43:55.739 --> 00:43:59.880
Yeah, yeah, people leaping in front of... doesn't he?

1002
00:43:59.940 --> 00:44:00.840
The man's got his drink there.

1003
00:44:00.900 --> 00:44:05.340
Yeah, yeah, he's met it in new Charlie Bill. like he sticks his

1004
00:44:05.340 --> 00:44:07.019
head around and then they notice him.

1005
00:44:07.079 --> 00:44:08.039
Wolf.

1006
00:44:08.099 --> 00:44:12.300
Oh, no, goes, we've got to get after him, and wharf still throws

1007
00:44:12.300 --> 00:44:13.199
somebody over a table.

1008
00:44:13.260 --> 00:44:18.000
There's still time for that In fact, there's a 2nd waitress is an

1009
00:44:18.000 --> 00:44:22.619
extra who they just have dressed up as the waitress from the scene

1010
00:44:22.619 --> 00:44:24.480
in the in the 60s as well.

1011
00:44:24.539 --> 00:44:26.400
So again, they're not using special effects.

1012
00:44:26.460 --> 00:44:29.340
They're just reshooting things and, you know, recreating things

1013
00:44:29.340 --> 00:44:32.099
just beautifully and intercutting between them. space nine.

1014
00:44:32.340 --> 00:44:34.739
Go back to the bath, please.

1015
00:44:35.699 --> 00:44:38.760
Oh, does it look brown and gray?

1016
00:44:38.820 --> 00:44:39.599
Oh, dear.

1017
00:44:40.800 --> 00:44:44.039
Normally I'm so happy to be here, but not this week.

1018
00:44:44.579 --> 00:44:49.320
So they, I mean, why do they get involved in this fight?

1019
00:44:49.920 --> 00:44:51.960
Um.

1020
00:44:52.260 --> 00:44:54.900
Well, because they can.

1021
00:44:54.960 --> 00:44:55.800
I don't know.

1022
00:44:55.860 --> 00:44:57.119
Because it's really fun.

1023
00:44:57.179 --> 00:45:01.199
Like, that's literally the only reason is it's an incredibly fun

1024
00:45:01.199 --> 00:45:02.340
and memorable fight.

1025
00:45:02.340 --> 00:45:05.760
One of a great things about 60s Star Trek is the fist fights

1026
00:45:05.760 --> 00:45:07.440
because they're a cheap way of doing action.

1027
00:45:07.500 --> 00:45:11.159
This was a particularly propulsive fight with, you know, people

1028
00:45:11.159 --> 00:45:15.239
rolling on the bar and being thrown across tables and all of that

1029
00:45:15.239 --> 00:45:15.840
sort of stuff.

1030
00:45:15.900 --> 00:45:18.300
And so let's have our guys in that fight.

1031
00:45:18.360 --> 00:45:21.659
That would be amazing. for the writers and the characters is it's

1032
00:45:21.659 --> 00:45:22.019
just fun.

1033
00:45:22.320 --> 00:45:24.360
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1034
00:45:24.420 --> 00:45:25.679
But it's very definitely that.

1035
00:45:25.739 --> 00:45:28.860
And then I think once they do the fight, they go, oh, holy shit, we

1036
00:45:28.860 --> 00:45:32.280
could Matt, Julian, and shut us into that.

1037
00:45:32.340 --> 00:45:33.960
Shadow of Kirk on O'Brien.

1038
00:45:34.019 --> 00:45:35.460
That's really well done I think.

1039
00:45:36.780 --> 00:45:38.159
No.

1040
00:45:41.699 --> 00:45:43.139
No.

1041
00:45:43.199 --> 00:45:46.500
I think that's really well the way sells it to me.

1042
00:45:46.559 --> 00:45:51.900
Yeah, I, there's just some moments where you can see the, I don't

1043
00:45:51.900 --> 00:45:55.139
know what it is they're doing and how to describe it, but that

1044
00:45:55.139 --> 00:45:56.159
there's one or 2 moments.

1045
00:45:56.219 --> 00:45:57.900
That's one moment that doesn't quite land for me.

1046
00:45:57.960 --> 00:46:03.840
Another moment is Dax bending down so that she fits in the shot

1047
00:46:03.840 --> 00:46:06.480
when she's on the bridge, which I just sort of think is weird.

1048
00:46:06.539 --> 00:46:10.800
And then, and also Avery slumped in his chair.

1049
00:46:10.800 --> 00:46:12.000
You were complaining.

1050
00:46:12.000 --> 00:46:13.800
People weren't showing off their asses.

1051
00:46:13.800 --> 00:46:16.019
And when they do, you complain again.

1052
00:46:16.079 --> 00:46:18.239
I think she was showing off her arse at least.

1053
00:46:18.300 --> 00:46:19.079
Now we pretty great.

1054
00:46:19.139 --> 00:46:23.460
Now we get to the trible and we're 15 minutes from the end of it.

1055
00:46:23.519 --> 00:46:27.000
He's trodden on the tribble and he feels sort of slightly bad

1056
00:46:27.000 --> 00:46:27.480
about it.

1057
00:46:27.539 --> 00:46:29.039
Then we look around the corner.

1058
00:46:29.039 --> 00:46:32.340
And so this is our 1st the tribbles are breeding.

1059
00:46:32.400 --> 00:46:35.219
Now that's shot, the tribles in the corridor.

1060
00:46:35.280 --> 00:46:37.920
Was that from the original or is that freshly short?

1061
00:46:37.980 --> 00:46:38.579
I can't tell.

1062
00:46:38.639 --> 00:46:40.920
Which shows me how well they're doing this.

1063
00:46:40.980 --> 00:46:43.440
Yeah, yeah, it is amazing, isn't it?

1064
00:46:43.500 --> 00:46:44.039
It's really good.

1065
00:46:44.280 --> 00:46:48.780
Oh, this is the bit where Charlie Bro gets to really camp out.

1066
00:46:48.840 --> 00:46:53.099
I see myself with Kirk's head in one hand and a tribble in

1067
00:46:53.099 --> 00:46:54.480
another.

1068
00:46:54.480 --> 00:46:58.619
And you kind of wonder why he's saying that and I guess it's

1069
00:46:58.619 --> 00:47:01.619
because he has this grudge against the tribbles because they outed

1070
00:47:01.619 --> 00:47:04.199
him back, you know, the 1st time around here.

1071
00:47:04.260 --> 00:47:05.940
Can you hear yourself?

1072
00:47:06.000 --> 00:47:08.099
He has a grudge against the triples.

1073
00:47:08.159 --> 00:47:09.239
He does?

1074
00:47:09.300 --> 00:47:10.739
The triple betrayed him.

1075
00:47:10.800 --> 00:47:12.780
And so that's why he puts a bomb in a tribble.

1076
00:47:12.840 --> 00:47:15.300
It's justice. so ridiculous. love it.

1077
00:47:15.900 --> 00:47:20.579
But it also gives us a chance for Dax to say the spot line about

1078
00:47:20.579 --> 00:47:22.019
how many tripples there are.

1079
00:47:22.079 --> 00:47:24.960
So we realise, well, it don't matter if it's told them because

1080
00:47:24.960 --> 00:47:26.159
there's so many of the bloody things.

1081
00:47:26.219 --> 00:47:27.900
That's exactly right.

1082
00:47:27.960 --> 00:47:29.340
That's what's brilliant about it.

1083
00:47:29.400 --> 00:47:34.679
And of course, when Spock comes up with that line later, and she

1084
00:47:34.679 --> 00:47:39.000
looks across at, at, you know, at Cisco and just raises her

1085
00:47:39.000 --> 00:47:39.900
eyebrows, you know.

1086
00:47:39.900 --> 00:47:41.159
Yeah.

1087
00:47:41.219 --> 00:47:42.420
Yeah, exactly.

1088
00:47:42.539 --> 00:47:44.219
I'm as good as Spock.

1089
00:47:44.280 --> 00:47:48.119
Please remember that. that's right And we're both equally hard for

1090
00:47:48.119 --> 00:47:48.840
the same reason.

1091
00:47:48.900 --> 00:47:51.960
Oh, that is a great Avery.

1092
00:47:52.019 --> 00:47:54.000
He put a bomb in a triple.

1093
00:47:56.940 --> 00:47:59.280
It's so ridiculous.

1094
00:47:59.340 --> 00:48:00.360
Oh my god.

1095
00:48:00.420 --> 00:48:01.199
It's wonderful.

1096
00:48:01.260 --> 00:48:02.280
It's so good.

1097
00:48:02.340 --> 00:48:05.099
We love it when Star Trek is silly, though, don't we?

1098
00:48:05.219 --> 00:48:06.420
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1099
00:48:06.480 --> 00:48:07.019
It's perfect.

1100
00:48:07.079 --> 00:48:08.099
It's just so good.

1101
00:48:08.159 --> 00:48:10.619
I think Anne Darvin in that scene is wonderful.

1102
00:48:10.679 --> 00:48:12.239
Like he's absolutely great.

1103
00:48:12.300 --> 00:48:16.440
And compared to how sort of scared and young and contained he is

1104
00:48:16.440 --> 00:48:18.059
in the original show.

1105
00:48:18.119 --> 00:48:19.260
It's terrific.

1106
00:48:19.320 --> 00:48:19.980
I think it's great.

1107
00:48:20.099 --> 00:48:21.360
So that's it now.

1108
00:48:21.420 --> 00:48:24.780
We've got to try and scan all the triples on the Enterprise.

1109
00:48:24.840 --> 00:48:26.519
All the triples on the station.

1110
00:48:26.519 --> 00:48:27.480
Yeah.

1111
00:48:27.539 --> 00:48:28.079
Yeah.

1112
00:48:28.139 --> 00:48:30.179
So, and see how simple it is?

1113
00:48:30.239 --> 00:48:34.800
Like we had to look for, um, we had to look for Charlie Brill on

1114
00:48:34.800 --> 00:48:35.460
the Enterprise.

1115
00:48:35.519 --> 00:48:37.800
We had to look for Charlie Brill on the station.

1116
00:48:37.860 --> 00:48:40.800
Now we have to scan for the tribble on the Enterprise and scan for

1117
00:48:40.800 --> 00:48:41.519
the tribble on the station.

1118
00:48:41.579 --> 00:48:45.420
But it's because it's the barest excuse for us just to be in the

1119
00:48:45.420 --> 00:48:47.159
original series, isn't it?

1120
00:48:47.219 --> 00:48:47.760
Exactly right.

1121
00:48:47.820 --> 00:48:52.739
That's exactly right He went, I think Mr. Worf should stay here.

1122
00:48:52.800 --> 00:48:55.500
It seems he's allergic to triples.

1123
00:48:55.800 --> 00:48:57.960
It's pretty great.

1124
00:49:00.239 --> 00:49:04.559
Oh, God away. love how he closes her down as well.

1125
00:49:04.619 --> 00:49:06.420
Oh, now we're on the bridge.

1126
00:49:06.480 --> 00:49:07.860
Oh gosh.

1127
00:49:09.300 --> 00:49:14.159
Do you remember how much not fun we were having with whom gods

1128
00:49:14.159 --> 00:49:14.639
destroy?

1129
00:49:14.699 --> 00:49:16.320
I mean, imagine if they gone back to that one.

1130
00:49:16.380 --> 00:49:18.239
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1131
00:49:18.300 --> 00:49:20.880
What if they've gone back to the savage curtain?

1132
00:49:21.000 --> 00:49:23.579
Oh, yeah, let's see.

1133
00:49:23.579 --> 00:49:24.539
She does have a bum out.

1134
00:49:24.599 --> 00:49:26.460
She needs to get her skirt down a bit more.

1135
00:49:26.519 --> 00:49:28.079
Good grief.

1136
00:49:28.139 --> 00:49:32.099
Ah, that's so cute where she looks across at him and just goes, you

1137
00:49:32.099 --> 00:49:36.059
know, like her reaction shots are on point in this, aren't they?

1138
00:49:36.119 --> 00:49:37.079
Yeah they really are.

1139
00:49:37.139 --> 00:49:40.079
But like now we're having, you know, her having a reaction shot

1140
00:49:40.079 --> 00:49:40.800
with Kirk.

1141
00:49:40.860 --> 00:49:44.400
They were just in the scene together, but now they're interacting

1142
00:49:44.400 --> 00:49:45.780
with each other, which is really great.

1143
00:49:45.840 --> 00:49:48.719
Have you noticed how this bridge suit is?

1144
00:49:48.780 --> 00:49:50.099
Is a bit fuzzier than the others?

1145
00:49:50.159 --> 00:49:51.119
It's not as clean.

1146
00:49:51.239 --> 00:49:52.139
It doesn't look as cleaned up.

1147
00:49:52.199 --> 00:49:53.880
No, you're right.

1148
00:49:53.940 --> 00:49:55.380
It is it is fuzzy.

1149
00:49:55.440 --> 00:49:56.820
Actually, no, look at Daxia.

1150
00:49:56.880 --> 00:49:57.239
That works.

1151
00:49:57.300 --> 00:49:58.619
Oh my god, it's so good.

1152
00:49:58.679 --> 00:49:59.699
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1153
00:49:59.760 --> 00:50:00.480
Well, that's right.

1154
00:50:00.539 --> 00:50:02.340
I think, you know, the scenes on the bridge.

1155
00:50:02.400 --> 00:50:05.579
Even the ones that are shot now on the new bridge set with our

1156
00:50:05.579 --> 00:50:09.420
with our cast are also a bit grainy as well so that they match the

1157
00:50:09.420 --> 00:50:09.840
other scene.

1158
00:50:09.900 --> 00:50:12.840
I suppose that's expense as well, isn't it?

1159
00:50:12.960 --> 00:50:16.800
Well, I think so. footage looks worse than it actually is.

1160
00:50:16.860 --> 00:50:21.179
Well, it's just using different lenses and different film stock in

1161
00:50:21.179 --> 00:50:23.340
order to have more grain, I think, is what's happening.

1162
00:50:23.460 --> 00:50:26.280
Look at all those coloured buttons, look, they look like gemstones

1163
00:50:26.280 --> 00:50:26.699
don't they?

1164
00:50:27.840 --> 00:50:31.320
You don't look at me, it's the tribles who are breeding.

1165
00:50:31.920 --> 00:50:34.920
Oh, Fax goes, I knew him.

1166
00:50:34.980 --> 00:50:36.719
I thought he'd be a doctor.

1167
00:50:36.780 --> 00:50:38.280
He had the hands of a surgeon.

1168
00:50:38.519 --> 00:50:42.900
It really struck me this time around how unsexy that is, though.

1169
00:50:45.420 --> 00:50:47.880
I don't want to be thinking about surgery.

1170
00:50:47.940 --> 00:50:49.739
I really think about McCoy.

1171
00:50:49.739 --> 00:50:52.860
McCoy is failing me up.

1172
00:50:52.920 --> 00:50:56.099
I mean, I hear he was quite a ladies man, but, you know, come on

1173
00:50:56.099 --> 00:50:56.340
now.

1174
00:50:56.400 --> 00:50:57.900
OD or McCoy?

1175
00:50:57.960 --> 00:50:58.679
McCoy.

1176
00:50:58.739 --> 00:51:01.920
Yeah, he's had his fair share of women for out TOS, you know.

1177
00:51:01.980 --> 00:51:02.699
Okay.

1178
00:51:02.760 --> 00:51:03.059
Yeah.

1179
00:51:03.360 --> 00:51:05.159
Oh, man.

1180
00:51:05.340 --> 00:51:06.599
I see what you're saying.

1181
00:51:06.659 --> 00:51:09.119
He's being pervy whilst doing his work.

1182
00:51:12.059 --> 00:51:17.340
But I also like the thing with the, um, they appear to be born

1183
00:51:17.340 --> 00:51:19.739
pregnant, that line, which I just, now.

1184
00:51:19.800 --> 00:51:22.559
Okay, this is so this is...

1185
00:51:22.559 --> 00:51:27.539
This is the most ridiculous moment where we just scan very slowly

1186
00:51:27.539 --> 00:51:32.280
over a load of purring, wobbling tribles and eventually land on

1187
00:51:32.280 --> 00:51:32.880
the bomb.

1188
00:51:33.000 --> 00:51:37.019
The one that's not moving and that's the bomb.

1189
00:51:37.079 --> 00:51:39.300
And I just think that's a wonderful break.

1190
00:51:39.420 --> 00:51:41.760
The way they're sort of purring about there.

1191
00:51:41.820 --> 00:51:42.960
They eat in the grape.

1192
00:51:43.019 --> 00:51:43.320
Yeah.

1193
00:51:43.500 --> 00:51:47.639
Yeah, yeah, because the grain's poison and they'll be dead

1194
00:51:47.639 --> 00:51:48.059
remember?

1195
00:51:48.119 --> 00:51:54.659
But also by the time that Dax and by the time that Dax and Cisco

1196
00:51:54.659 --> 00:51:57.539
are in there, it looks heaps different because there's many, many

1197
00:51:57.539 --> 00:51:58.679
many more tribles.

1198
00:51:58.739 --> 00:52:00.179
Look how many they're all real.

1199
00:52:00.239 --> 00:52:01.500
I mean, Jesus Christ.

1200
00:52:01.500 --> 00:52:06.480
The barman with the tribble on his head, surrounded by tribbles in

1201
00:52:06.480 --> 00:52:11.699
that shot in the background there, um, we are going to get that

1202
00:52:11.699 --> 00:52:14.880
recreated in 90s track at the end of the episode.

1203
00:52:16.139 --> 00:52:19.320
I suppose we could build a new station, you know?

1204
00:52:20.219 --> 00:52:23.820
I think that ending is spectacularly.

1205
00:52:24.000 --> 00:52:27.420
I mean, did you hear they were being Nick's left, right, and the

1206
00:52:27.420 --> 00:52:27.780
centre?

1207
00:52:27.840 --> 00:52:31.199
They had to keep making new tribbles because everyone on the

1208
00:52:31.199 --> 00:52:33.000
production team was nicking them.

1209
00:52:33.059 --> 00:52:35.159
Just go to a convention, man.

1210
00:52:35.219 --> 00:52:39.179
I've got one myself It is quite soothing, you know.

1211
00:52:39.239 --> 00:52:40.980
Sometimes I stroke it before I go to bed.

1212
00:52:41.039 --> 00:52:44.219
Yeah, the triple's not one of the little puppet ones.

1213
00:52:45.059 --> 00:52:49.139
So yeah, Avery in the chair as we walk in.

1214
00:52:49.559 --> 00:52:51.719
Look at me oddly.

1215
00:52:51.780 --> 00:52:53.400
Look at this one's glued on the wall.

1216
00:52:54.840 --> 00:52:57.360
The ones in his coffee.

1217
00:52:57.360 --> 00:53:00.059
This is my chicken sandwich and coffee. coffee, coffee.

1218
00:53:00.119 --> 00:53:01.500
I want things off the ship.

1219
00:53:02.820 --> 00:53:04.559
So funny.

1220
00:53:04.619 --> 00:53:06.840
Like his delivery is so great.

1221
00:53:07.260 --> 00:53:10.800
I mean, they have put in all the best scenes of the original

1222
00:53:10.800 --> 00:53:11.880
episode, haven't they?

1223
00:53:11.940 --> 00:53:14.579
No, because there's so many excellency.

1224
00:53:14.639 --> 00:53:17.159
It's like they've put in a couple of really great representative

1225
00:53:17.159 --> 00:53:17.940
scenes.

1226
00:53:18.360 --> 00:53:21.059
But there's much less of it than you think.

1227
00:53:21.119 --> 00:53:23.340
There's a triple on top of...

1228
00:53:23.400 --> 00:53:25.500
Cisco's board game there, did you say?

1229
00:53:25.559 --> 00:53:26.340
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1230
00:53:26.400 --> 00:53:27.539
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1231
00:53:27.960 --> 00:53:29.760
Right, quick.

1232
00:53:29.820 --> 00:53:30.599
To the grain.

1233
00:53:30.659 --> 00:53:31.860
Meanwhile, in case seven.

1234
00:53:31.980 --> 00:53:34.260
So there's even bread during that scene.

1235
00:53:34.320 --> 00:53:35.940
We can't see any of the floor.

1236
00:53:36.000 --> 00:53:39.659
Like, there were less ones before we went to the ad break, right?

1237
00:53:39.719 --> 00:53:41.579
I mean, it mush it, Avery, kind of work.

1238
00:53:41.639 --> 00:53:42.900
So, what have you been, darling?

1239
00:53:42.960 --> 00:53:44.039
What have you been up to today?

1240
00:53:46.139 --> 00:53:50.039
Poor old Terry doesn't quite get the pronunciation of the word

1241
00:53:50.039 --> 00:53:51.360
tricobalt right there.

1242
00:53:51.420 --> 00:53:55.860
No, but she does throw a triple out the hole and smack Kirk in the

1243
00:53:55.860 --> 00:53:56.039
head.

1244
00:53:56.159 --> 00:53:58.079
I mean that is so clever.

1245
00:53:58.139 --> 00:54:01.380
And obviously we needed to see this because this is the iconic

1246
00:54:01.380 --> 00:54:05.820
moment, which is, you know, he opens the bay door and gets covered

1247
00:54:05.820 --> 00:54:09.179
in tribbles and for some reason just stands there while they keep

1248
00:54:09.179 --> 00:54:11.340
you know, while they go up to chest hide on him.

1249
00:54:11.460 --> 00:54:15.780
But for like a visual, for official joke to land, you have to time

1250
00:54:15.780 --> 00:54:19.260
it perfectly and the way she casually just throws it over her

1251
00:54:19.260 --> 00:54:19.800
shoulder.

1252
00:54:19.860 --> 00:54:21.480
And then it smacks him in the head.

1253
00:54:21.539 --> 00:54:23.039
And then yeah, yeah, yeah.

1254
00:54:23.099 --> 00:54:27.059
And so and so those were always those stray tribbles that some

1255
00:54:27.059 --> 00:54:30.599
stagehand was throwing out of the thing all the time.

1256
00:54:30.599 --> 00:54:32.639
And they've looked at that.

1257
00:54:32.699 --> 00:54:35.760
The writers have looked at that and said, oh, we have to make it

1258
00:54:35.760 --> 00:54:37.260
Dax throwing that at him.

1259
00:54:37.320 --> 00:54:41.460
You know, this had happened all that, like that one, because Avery

1260
00:54:41.460 --> 00:54:44.639
threw one and then we can't to one landing on Kirk, and there's

1261
00:54:44.639 --> 00:54:45.780
another one coming out.

1262
00:54:46.619 --> 00:54:48.900
Look at his resignation.

1263
00:54:49.019 --> 00:54:49.860
Oh boy.

1264
00:54:51.179 --> 00:54:53.699
They seem to be gorged.

1265
00:54:53.699 --> 00:54:55.019
On my grade?

1266
00:54:55.320 --> 00:54:59.579
So Dax throws throws one here too that hits him.

1267
00:54:59.639 --> 00:55:03.360
We...

1268
00:55:03.360 --> 00:55:04.260
Spock gets the line.

1269
00:55:04.800 --> 00:55:08.820
771,569.

1270
00:55:10.199 --> 00:55:11.940
That's wonderful.

1271
00:55:12.000 --> 00:55:13.079
Did you know what, right?

1272
00:55:13.079 --> 00:55:16.739
Actually, no, even camper is the scene of the bomb flying through

1273
00:55:16.739 --> 00:55:17.699
space.

1274
00:55:17.880 --> 00:55:18.780
It's so good.

1275
00:55:18.900 --> 00:55:20.760
It's so great.

1276
00:55:20.820 --> 00:55:23.280
The music goes all sort of...

1277
00:55:23.280 --> 00:55:27.780
It's the explosion that tells it.

1278
00:55:27.840 --> 00:55:31.320
It's so good I'm sorry to lose the tricorder, though.

1279
00:55:31.380 --> 00:55:31.920
It is great.

1280
00:55:31.980 --> 00:55:34.440
Yeah, they should have taken some tech back with them, shouldn't

1281
00:55:34.440 --> 00:55:34.619
they?

1282
00:55:34.679 --> 00:55:36.179
Yeah, they should have.

1283
00:55:36.239 --> 00:55:37.260
Never mind.

1284
00:55:37.320 --> 00:55:38.820
We do like the DS9 sets.

1285
00:55:38.880 --> 00:55:40.440
Don't get me wrong, but...

1286
00:55:40.440 --> 00:55:41.760
No, no, no, they're good.

1287
00:55:41.820 --> 00:55:43.619
They are great, but yeah.

1288
00:55:44.159 --> 00:55:45.719
There it is.

1289
00:55:46.260 --> 00:55:48.599
Oh, the tricorder.

1290
00:55:48.659 --> 00:55:49.920
Oh, it was in pieces.

1291
00:55:50.039 --> 00:55:50.820
Yeah, it exploded too.

1292
00:55:50.880 --> 00:55:51.300
Oh, well.

1293
00:55:51.360 --> 00:55:53.760
Kira was like, he was dead anyway.

1294
00:55:53.940 --> 00:55:57.239
I'm having no fun at all over here, all right?

1295
00:55:59.519 --> 00:56:03.659
And second, close that door.

1296
00:56:05.760 --> 00:56:08.039
Oh heaven.

1297
00:56:08.099 --> 00:56:10.079
And there's the problem solved.

1298
00:56:10.199 --> 00:56:10.920
You see?

1299
00:56:10.980 --> 00:56:16.199
And then we quickly see we cut to Darvin being outed.

1300
00:56:16.260 --> 00:56:18.059
Hey, I don't want you Mr. Donald.

1301
00:56:18.119 --> 00:56:18.719
Mr. Darvin.

1302
00:56:18.780 --> 00:56:19.440
I wonder why.

1303
00:56:19.500 --> 00:56:23.159
Oh, this like, Jim, this matters a Klingon.

1304
00:56:23.820 --> 00:56:25.559
Very serious.

1305
00:56:27.119 --> 00:56:30.480
Do you know, I'm not sure I can be objective about this.

1306
00:56:30.780 --> 00:56:32.460
In any way.

1307
00:56:32.699 --> 00:56:34.619
It's great.

1308
00:56:34.679 --> 00:56:36.360
I don't think it needs to be injected about it.

1309
00:56:36.420 --> 00:56:37.679
I'm not sure.

1310
00:56:37.679 --> 00:56:39.360
I wouldn't be critical of that.

1311
00:56:39.360 --> 00:56:41.039
In my usual sort of a way.

1312
00:56:41.099 --> 00:56:44.519
Wow, because it's so ridiculous but I'm just loving it.

1313
00:56:44.579 --> 00:56:48.300
But it's like the original episode is great.

1314
00:56:48.360 --> 00:56:49.440
It's brilliant.

1315
00:56:49.500 --> 00:56:53.519
This gets us to relive some of it, but also to just have funny

1316
00:56:53.519 --> 00:56:57.659
hang time with, you know, fun dialogue and stuff.

1317
00:56:57.719 --> 00:56:58.199
This is awesome.

1318
00:56:58.739 --> 00:57:01.739
Cisco is a big trek geek after all.

1319
00:57:01.860 --> 00:57:02.639
Yeah, yeah.

1320
00:57:02.699 --> 00:57:05.820
He's fanboying over Kirk here.

1321
00:57:05.880 --> 00:57:08.340
So this is from Mirror Mirror this scene.

1322
00:57:08.400 --> 00:57:09.539
Look at the show.

1323
00:57:09.539 --> 00:57:12.480
She's 83 and gone, oh, my God.

1324
00:57:12.539 --> 00:57:13.860
He looks delicious.

1325
00:57:13.920 --> 00:57:16.079
Well, yes, quiet.

1326
00:57:16.139 --> 00:57:18.719
There's a parent I could get behind, you know?

1327
00:57:18.780 --> 00:57:22.739
So in Mirror, Mirror, it's an attractive woman who hands him the

1328
00:57:22.739 --> 00:57:27.059
pad, and then that's him looking, oh, that was an attractive woman

1329
00:57:27.059 --> 00:57:28.559
but he doesn't.

1330
00:57:28.619 --> 00:57:29.579
Why is she all looking at her then?

1331
00:57:29.639 --> 00:57:31.739
Yeah, well, she's pretty, I don't know.

1332
00:57:31.800 --> 00:57:32.340
Oh, yeah.

1333
00:57:32.400 --> 00:57:35.639
You're pretty, but no, it's pretty as me as well.

1334
00:57:36.480 --> 00:57:37.320
That's it.

1335
00:57:37.679 --> 00:57:42.179
I quite like how the guy says, yeah, actually, I would have done

1336
00:57:42.179 --> 00:57:42.420
that.

1337
00:57:42.480 --> 00:57:42.900
That's fine.

1338
00:57:43.019 --> 00:57:45.840
And then the other guy, the taller guy, is actually a bit cross at

1339
00:57:45.840 --> 00:57:48.119
him and he's about to have a go at him.

1340
00:57:48.179 --> 00:57:48.840
Do you know what I mean?

1341
00:57:48.900 --> 00:57:49.440
When they leave.

1342
00:57:50.760 --> 00:57:54.539
I like the fact that as soon as I kind of like, oh, my God, did we

1343
00:57:54.539 --> 00:57:55.380
get away with it?

1344
00:57:55.440 --> 00:57:56.099
get away with it.

1345
00:57:56.159 --> 00:57:57.360
And that's the other thing.

1346
00:57:57.480 --> 00:58:01.559
Because what I really like about that is that it does that trick

1347
00:58:01.559 --> 00:58:05.639
of completely reinterpreting what's going on in the framing

1348
00:58:05.639 --> 00:58:08.639
narrative because that's always the fun thing about a framing

1349
00:58:08.639 --> 00:58:13.260
narrative is when it starts to have its own kind of narrative as

1350
00:58:13.260 --> 00:58:13.619
well.

1351
00:58:13.679 --> 00:58:17.940
And so this looks like him explaining the thing, but it turns out

1352
00:58:17.940 --> 00:58:19.139
everyone is aware.

1353
00:58:19.199 --> 00:58:22.739
And it's this brilliant, brilliant thing that they've brought one

1354
00:58:22.739 --> 00:58:25.139
back with them and it's multiplied.

1355
00:58:25.199 --> 00:58:27.780
We have to have the contractual obligation saying from Armond

1356
00:58:27.780 --> 00:58:28.440
Shimmerman yet.

1357
00:58:28.500 --> 00:58:28.920
Where is he?

1358
00:58:28.980 --> 00:58:29.639
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1359
00:58:29.639 --> 00:58:30.900
He doesn't say anything.

1360
00:58:31.739 --> 00:58:35.099
No, but he does have a triple on his head.

1361
00:58:36.360 --> 00:58:37.920
So good.

1362
00:58:37.980 --> 00:58:41.639
It's so good. it is taken from the original episode.

1363
00:58:41.699 --> 00:58:44.519
Look at Morn, who's got 3 in his hand.

1364
00:58:44.579 --> 00:58:46.500
He's talking goes.

1365
00:58:47.880 --> 00:58:50.820
Why do you know he's talking to?

1366
00:58:51.239 --> 00:58:54.059
Oh, what a fabulous shot.

1367
00:58:54.119 --> 00:58:55.920
It's so good.

1368
00:58:55.980 --> 00:58:59.400
And then the other thing which is obviously the right thing to do

1369
00:58:59.400 --> 00:59:01.380
is that we never mention it again.

1370
00:59:01.440 --> 00:59:02.820
You know what I mean?

1371
00:59:02.940 --> 00:59:06.599
Like we've accidentally, because we've done a bad timeline thing

1372
00:59:06.599 --> 00:59:10.619
because the tribles were extinct, right?

1373
00:59:10.679 --> 00:59:14.699
Wharf says, that's why we have that speech, isn't it?

1374
00:59:14.760 --> 00:59:17.099
Because they've made them extinct.

1375
00:59:17.159 --> 00:59:21.480
The wharfs, the wharfs, the, the, the, the, the Kleons killed them

1376
00:59:21.480 --> 00:59:24.420
all, and now we've brought them back by mistake because of our

1377
00:59:24.420 --> 00:59:25.500
trip through time.

1378
00:59:25.559 --> 00:59:28.139
It's exactly the sort of thing they would have got in trouble

1379
00:59:28.139 --> 00:59:28.380
for.

1380
00:59:28.440 --> 00:59:32.760
Tell me, Nathan, do they still sing songs of the great DS9 triple

1381
00:59:32.760 --> 00:59:33.179
hump?

1382
00:59:33.480 --> 00:59:35.460
What do you think they do?

1383
00:59:35.519 --> 00:59:36.900
They just flash them all out there.

1384
00:59:36.960 --> 00:59:40.440
I like to think that they all get sent away to the, what's that

1385
00:59:40.440 --> 00:59:42.900
institute called that they always go to the scientific one?

1386
00:59:42.960 --> 00:59:44.039
Daystrom Institute.

1387
00:59:44.099 --> 00:59:45.599
Yeah, they all ended up there, you know?

1388
00:59:45.659 --> 00:59:49.440
Or in one of those zoos that sometimes have people in them.

1389
00:59:49.500 --> 00:59:53.639
Is there an episode set after this with triples where they're now

1390
00:59:53.639 --> 00:59:54.300
in the future?

1391
00:59:54.360 --> 00:59:55.440
Yeah.

1392
00:59:55.500 --> 00:59:59.639
So we've now done 3 triple episodes on Untitled Star Trek

1393
00:59:59.639 --> 01:00:00.000
Project.

1394
01:00:00.059 --> 01:00:00.719
We've done this.

1395
01:00:00.780 --> 01:00:03.719
We've done the original Trouble with Tribbles, and we have done

1396
01:00:03.719 --> 01:00:06.599
Trouble with Edward from Short Tracks.

1397
01:00:06.840 --> 01:00:11.699
There is an animated series one, which I can't remember the name

1398
01:00:11.699 --> 01:00:13.139
of, and I keep getting the name wrong.

1399
01:00:13.199 --> 01:00:15.000
I think it's called More Troubles, More Tribbles.

1400
01:00:15.059 --> 01:00:22.619
Um, and then there's a season 2 prodigy episode, which is called A

1401
01:00:22.619 --> 01:00:25.980
Tribble called Quest, and it's a standalone episode.

1402
01:00:26.039 --> 01:00:27.840
Like it's a fairly standalone episode.

1403
01:00:27.840 --> 01:00:31.679
They're on a planet with giant tribbles and there's a Klingon

1404
01:00:31.679 --> 01:00:33.239
giant triples.

1405
01:00:33.300 --> 01:00:36.780
Yeah, yeah, yeah. small and big ones, but including giant ones.

1406
01:00:36.840 --> 01:00:41.519
And there's a Klingon geneticist who's experimenting on them for

1407
01:00:41.519 --> 01:00:42.000
some reason.

1408
01:00:42.059 --> 01:00:42.960
I can't remember why.

1409
01:00:43.019 --> 01:00:47.460
So we do we do have 2 more Tribbles episodes left, including one

1410
01:00:47.460 --> 01:00:49.440
set. in the late 24th century.

1411
01:00:49.559 --> 01:00:52.980
I mean, we do have to eke them out because if we do it too often

1412
01:00:52.980 --> 01:00:56.340
then I think it loses its lustre when we do do it.

1413
01:00:56.400 --> 01:01:01.139
But every time they do it, it's amazing. no matter what show

1414
01:01:01.139 --> 01:01:02.400
touches the triple.

1415
01:01:02.460 --> 01:01:05.820
No, that's right. no way. hang on. animated series one's pretty

1416
01:01:05.820 --> 01:01:06.000
bad.

1417
01:01:06.059 --> 01:01:06.960
Did we do that one?

1418
01:01:07.019 --> 01:01:10.500
No, but I watched it to prepare for Trouble with Tribble, so I

1419
01:01:10.500 --> 01:01:11.400
have seen it recently.

1420
01:01:11.460 --> 01:01:12.420
Very, very bad.

1421
01:01:12.480 --> 01:01:13.860
Yeah, it's pretty bad.

1422
01:01:13.920 --> 01:01:19.139
It is written by David Gerald, but... terrible.

1423
01:01:19.199 --> 01:01:22.139
It really was half arse that show, wasn't it?

1424
01:01:22.199 --> 01:01:26.460
They do the scene where, you know, Kirk sits on the treble.

1425
01:01:26.519 --> 01:01:30.599
In this scene, he goes to his chair and there's just like one

1426
01:01:30.599 --> 01:01:34.559
giant massive tribble on the chair because he has giant tribbles

1427
01:01:34.559 --> 01:01:34.980
in it as well.

1428
01:01:35.039 --> 01:01:36.360
So he can't sit on the chair.

1429
01:01:36.420 --> 01:01:39.239
Also, he's a cartoon character who can't sit down.

1430
01:01:39.300 --> 01:01:40.739
Do you know what?

1431
01:01:40.800 --> 01:01:44.400
One thing that I, and well, one of many things that I've taken

1432
01:01:44.400 --> 01:01:47.400
away from untaught of Star Trek Project is I never really used to

1433
01:01:47.400 --> 01:01:50.159
go to DS9 for the comedies, and I always knew the comedies were

1434
01:01:50.159 --> 01:01:55.320
pretty good, but I like DS9 for its arcs, for its running

1435
01:01:55.320 --> 01:01:58.199
storylines, for its space battles, for all of these other things.

1436
01:01:58.260 --> 01:02:01.079
The more we watch these comedy episodes.

1437
01:02:01.139 --> 01:02:02.159
Bada bing, bada bang.

1438
01:02:02.219 --> 01:02:03.780
Take me out to the hola suite.

1439
01:02:03.840 --> 01:02:05.579
You've seen little green men recently.

1440
01:02:05.639 --> 01:02:09.360
We've now done trials and tribulate, and we've got some absolute

1441
01:02:09.360 --> 01:02:12.300
zingers still to come, comedy wise.

1442
01:02:13.380 --> 01:02:16.920
They really nailed them, didn't they?

1443
01:02:17.219 --> 01:02:25.139
in a in a decade of Star Trek that generally produced dismal

1444
01:02:25.139 --> 01:02:28.679
comedy that really managed to get them right.

1445
01:02:28.800 --> 01:02:32.400
I think the dialogue in 90s striking is sort of really very

1446
01:02:32.400 --> 01:02:35.940
functional and like there are occasionally good gags and

1447
01:02:35.940 --> 01:02:40.139
occasionally really great lines and more in deep space 9 than in

1448
01:02:40.139 --> 01:02:42.480
any of the others, I think, easily.

1449
01:02:42.539 --> 01:02:45.659
You've got people who can write really funny dialogue and do

1450
01:02:45.659 --> 01:02:47.039
really good jokes.

1451
01:02:47.159 --> 01:02:52.139
Nowadays, Star Trek tends to be kind of very serious, but they can

1452
01:02:52.139 --> 01:02:55.739
do really funny lines and more sophisticated dialogue, I think.

1453
01:02:55.800 --> 01:03:00.420
I think they integrate comedy into the serious episodes now, though

1454
01:03:00.420 --> 01:03:01.320
very confidently.

1455
01:03:01.380 --> 01:03:04.920
Whereas back then it would be a banter scene between Tom and Harry

1456
01:03:04.920 --> 01:03:06.840
and you becoming... which is just awful.

1457
01:03:06.960 --> 01:03:09.119
Yeah, shockingly embarrassing.

1458
01:03:09.179 --> 01:03:09.840
Yeah.

1459
01:03:09.840 --> 01:03:12.659
They should remembered to keep humour simple.

1460
01:03:12.719 --> 01:03:14.280
You're flaps open.

1461
01:03:14.340 --> 01:03:15.900
You know, things like that.

1462
01:03:24.960 --> 01:03:28.079
All right, it's the end of the episode and it's time for us to

1463
01:03:28.079 --> 01:03:30.059
work out where we're going next.

1464
01:03:30.119 --> 01:03:34.920
Normally, if you choose a really good episode, then it's my job

1465
01:03:34.920 --> 01:03:38.099
obviously, to ruin it and vice versa sometimes.

1466
01:03:38.159 --> 01:03:40.920
You only normally do that in one particular way.

1467
01:03:40.980 --> 01:03:42.119
Yeah.

1468
01:03:42.179 --> 01:03:46.739
Well, look, I mean, I did check our coverage page before we

1469
01:03:46.739 --> 01:03:52.019
started recording and we are actually a little bit behind on

1470
01:03:52.019 --> 01:03:57.000
Enterprise, but I'm not going to go there because I think we're

1471
01:03:57.000 --> 01:03:59.820
having a successful 90s Star Trek run.

1472
01:03:59.820 --> 01:04:05.039
And so I'm going to go to Star Trek the Next Generation.

1473
01:04:05.099 --> 01:04:07.860
Oh, are you going to pick a season?

1474
01:04:07.920 --> 01:04:11.460
I haven't done this before, so I'm going to.

1475
01:04:11.579 --> 01:04:15.659
I'm gonna pick seasons three, four, and five.

1476
01:04:15.719 --> 01:04:17.519
Wow, the imperial phase.

1477
01:04:17.579 --> 01:04:17.880
Okay.

1478
01:04:17.940 --> 01:04:19.199
The imperial phase.

1479
01:04:19.260 --> 01:04:20.340
Okay.

1480
01:04:20.400 --> 01:04:23.099
So let's see what we can do.

1481
01:04:23.159 --> 01:04:25.860
Let's see if we can get a kind of hat trick of some kind happening

1482
01:04:25.860 --> 01:04:26.280
here.

1483
01:04:26.340 --> 01:04:29.519
There's still some dogs in there, you know. absolutely.

1484
01:04:30.179 --> 01:04:32.219
Yes, yes.

1485
01:04:33.659 --> 01:04:35.219
All right.

1486
01:04:35.280 --> 01:04:35.639
Okay.

1487
01:04:35.699 --> 01:04:37.019
I'm going to press the button.

1488
01:04:37.079 --> 01:04:37.619
Here goes.

1489
01:04:38.159 --> 01:04:42.599
Ooh, see, this is the sort of thing that happens.

1490
01:04:42.719 --> 01:04:48.059
It's not top tier, but it is the imperial phase. your random... not

1491
01:04:48.059 --> 01:04:49.800
season. 5 episode six, is it?

1492
01:04:49.860 --> 01:04:50.940
No.

1493
01:04:51.000 --> 01:04:52.320
No.

1494
01:04:54.539 --> 01:04:58.860
You're a random Star Trek The Next Generation episode is season

1495
01:04:58.860 --> 01:05:02.519
three, episode 21 Hollow Pursuits.

1496
01:05:02.579 --> 01:05:04.380
What the hell is that?

1497
01:05:04.500 --> 01:05:07.019
Barclay, it's the 1st Barclay episode.

1498
01:05:07.079 --> 01:05:09.599
It's not the goddess of empathy episode, is it?

1499
01:05:09.659 --> 01:05:10.559
Absolutely it is.

1500
01:05:10.619 --> 01:05:11.699
Do that one.

1501
01:05:11.760 --> 01:05:13.199
It was so funny.

1502
01:05:13.260 --> 01:05:14.340
Yes.

1503
01:05:14.400 --> 01:05:16.920
Get right to it, Mr. Broccoli.

1504
01:05:16.980 --> 01:05:17.579
Oh, God.

1505
01:05:19.739 --> 01:05:21.780
I mean, it is great.

1506
01:05:21.840 --> 01:05:22.739
It's a good episode.

1507
01:05:22.739 --> 01:05:23.639
It is pretty great.

1508
01:05:23.699 --> 01:05:24.960
It is pretty great.

1509
01:05:25.019 --> 01:05:26.880
Do you want to press it again though?

1510
01:05:26.940 --> 01:05:27.900
Well, I do.

1511
01:05:27.960 --> 01:05:29.400
I feel like I haven't.

1512
01:05:29.400 --> 01:05:30.840
Well, I've never used this feature before.

1513
01:05:30.900 --> 01:05:36.539
You see, I've never selected certain seasons of a show. so.

1514
01:05:36.599 --> 01:05:40.019
It's just Marina's reaction when she sees herself on that swing.

1515
01:05:40.079 --> 01:05:40.920
It's so funny.

1516
01:05:46.079 --> 01:05:49.139
Okay, no, Nicole, let's keep going for a bit.

1517
01:05:49.199 --> 01:05:49.860
Okay, okay.

1518
01:05:49.920 --> 01:05:51.780
That would be great, though. is pretty good.

1519
01:05:51.840 --> 01:05:52.500
Okay.

1520
01:05:53.340 --> 01:05:55.980
Oh, this is a bit more boring.

1521
01:05:56.039 --> 01:06:00.539
So this is season three, episode 10, The Defector.

1522
01:06:00.599 --> 01:06:02.579
The Defector.

1523
01:06:02.699 --> 01:06:04.739
So it's a Romulan defector.

1524
01:06:04.800 --> 01:06:07.139
Oh, it's James Sawyer.

1525
01:06:07.199 --> 01:06:09.780
It's the fellow who plays Odo's dad.

1526
01:06:09.840 --> 01:06:11.159
Dr. Boyer.

1527
01:06:11.219 --> 01:06:12.780
Yes, he plays the wrong one.

1528
01:06:12.840 --> 01:06:14.880
That's a good episode, I seem to remember.

1529
01:06:14.940 --> 01:06:15.659
It is a good episode.

1530
01:06:15.719 --> 01:06:17.340
Very serious, though, after all.

1531
01:06:17.340 --> 01:06:20.519
It's very procedural, but it is a good episode.

1532
01:06:20.579 --> 01:06:23.820
Again, this is the era where you know, things are generally good.

1533
01:06:24.719 --> 01:06:28.739
No, I think we should try it and do a season 4 episode, you know.

1534
01:06:28.800 --> 01:06:30.420
We've had such great luck with four.

1535
01:06:30.480 --> 01:06:31.739
Okay.

1536
01:06:32.699 --> 01:06:34.739
Oh, this is one.

1537
01:06:34.800 --> 01:06:37.500
This is one that I don't really care for very much, but it is

1538
01:06:37.500 --> 01:06:38.039
season four.

1539
01:06:38.099 --> 01:06:41.820
Your random Star Trek, the Next Generation episode is season four

1540
01:06:41.820 --> 01:06:43.860
episode 19, the Mth degree.

1541
01:06:45.059 --> 01:06:46.860
What's that?

1542
01:06:46.980 --> 01:06:50.340
That's Barclay gets...

1543
01:06:50.340 --> 01:06:51.840
Have you got a Barclay filter on this?

1544
01:06:51.960 --> 01:06:54.539
No, but I mean, this is the Barclay era.

1545
01:06:54.599 --> 01:06:55.500
It's his 2nd episode.

1546
01:06:55.559 --> 01:06:56.099
I think.

1547
01:06:56.519 --> 01:06:59.820
Is it the one where he's got the...

1548
01:06:59.880 --> 01:07:01.260
Can he become super smart?

1549
01:07:01.320 --> 01:07:02.760
Oh no.

1550
01:07:02.820 --> 01:07:04.019
I'm not embarrassed.

1551
01:07:04.079 --> 01:07:05.639
Yeah, if you, Preston the Baron.

1552
01:07:05.699 --> 01:07:06.420
Do I?

1553
01:07:06.420 --> 01:07:07.500
No, if this is...

1554
01:07:07.920 --> 01:07:12.119
Well, this is the wounded, which we've already done, season four

1555
01:07:12.119 --> 01:07:15.480
episode 12, which we did way back in episode 38.

1556
01:07:15.719 --> 01:07:19.380
Which we liked, but we had some reservations of our...

1557
01:07:19.440 --> 01:07:24.059
The next one is Tin Man, season 3, episode 20.

1558
01:07:24.480 --> 01:07:29.639
It's got the mayor from Buffy as a beta Zoid.

1559
01:07:29.699 --> 01:07:32.099
He's got the sort of the black contacts in, hasn't he?

1560
01:07:32.159 --> 01:07:36.179
yeah I don't know the Star Trek Imperial phase as well as off a

1561
01:07:36.179 --> 01:07:36.719
lot.

1562
01:07:36.780 --> 01:07:37.320
I mean, it's okay.

1563
01:07:37.380 --> 01:07:39.960
It's okay, but, you know, again, a bit serious.

1564
01:07:40.019 --> 01:07:41.280
Okay, whatever's the next one now.

1565
01:07:41.340 --> 01:07:44.280
I'm feeling fluttering as I'm embarrassed. starting to feel

1566
01:07:44.280 --> 01:07:45.119
flooding. all right.

1567
01:07:45.179 --> 01:07:45.780
Let see how we go.

1568
01:07:46.980 --> 01:07:49.079
Oh, this is pretty good.

1569
01:07:49.440 --> 01:07:53.639
Your random Star Trek, the Next Generation episode is The Minds

1570
01:07:53.639 --> 01:07:56.280
Eye, season four, episode 24.

1571
01:07:56.579 --> 01:07:57.659
This is terrific.

1572
01:07:57.719 --> 01:08:01.380
It's Jordan when he's been bucked, isn't it?

1573
01:08:01.440 --> 01:08:02.400
And he's walking around the ship.

1574
01:08:02.460 --> 01:08:03.780
Cementaryan candidate.

1575
01:08:03.900 --> 01:08:09.420
Yeah. under the control of the Romulans, I think. sort of starting

1576
01:08:09.420 --> 01:08:11.820
to get politics right in TNG.

1577
01:08:11.880 --> 01:08:12.960
Yeah, yeah.

1578
01:08:13.019 --> 01:08:15.960
I mean, it's got some sort of interesting visuals as well because

1579
01:08:15.960 --> 01:08:18.539
there's lots of POV shots. of Geordie Pfizer.

1580
01:08:18.600 --> 01:08:20.039
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1581
01:08:20.100 --> 01:08:21.239
What do you think?

1582
01:08:21.300 --> 01:08:22.079
Or we could do one more.

1583
01:08:22.140 --> 01:08:24.000
Oh, go on and do one more.

1584
01:08:24.060 --> 01:08:24.239
Yeah.

1585
01:08:24.300 --> 01:08:25.680
Okay. don't know why.

1586
01:08:26.340 --> 01:08:29.460
We've chosen good and bad here so far.

1587
01:08:29.579 --> 01:08:31.260
Okay, how about this one?

1588
01:08:31.319 --> 01:08:35.159
Season 5, episode 19, the 1st duty.

1589
01:08:37.859 --> 01:08:42.359
Did I say we wouldn't be doing another back-to-back banger?

1590
01:08:42.420 --> 01:08:46.739
That is a terrific remorse script.

1591
01:08:46.800 --> 01:08:48.479
It's really good, isn't it?

1592
01:08:48.539 --> 01:08:50.520
Probably the best Wesley episode.

1593
01:08:50.579 --> 01:08:52.260
They ever did it.

1594
01:08:52.319 --> 01:08:54.539
Yeah, let's do that one.

1595
01:08:54.600 --> 01:08:56.340
It's really good. really good.

1596
01:08:56.399 --> 01:09:01.319
It introduces Ensign, oh, cadet, Sato, who then goes into, yeah

1597
01:09:01.319 --> 01:09:01.439
yeah.

1598
01:09:01.439 --> 01:09:03.119
Lower decks, Sato, sorry, yeah.

1599
01:09:03.180 --> 01:09:05.520
Yeah, oh, that's a wonderful episode.

1600
01:09:05.579 --> 01:09:05.939
Yeah.

1601
01:09:06.000 --> 01:09:07.439
Let's continue our run.

1602
01:09:07.500 --> 01:09:11.579
I think we should con ourselves into thinking that 90s trek was

1603
01:09:11.579 --> 01:09:15.300
nothing but absolute bangers. of episodes, a banger every week.

1604
01:09:15.359 --> 01:09:15.840
Yeah.

1605
01:09:15.899 --> 01:09:19.800
I promise you I'll take us somewhere truly terrible after that

1606
01:09:19.800 --> 01:09:19.979
though.

1607
01:09:20.039 --> 01:09:21.479
I'm looking forward to it.

1608
01:09:30.539 --> 01:09:33.600
You've been listening to untitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford

1609
01:09:33.600 --> 01:09:37.739
and Nathan Bottomley, where online at untitled Star Trek Project

1610
01:09:36.899 --> 01:09:40.199
com, where you can find subscription links and links to our social

1611
01:09:40.199 --> 01:09:41.100
media accounts.

1612
01:09:41.220 --> 01:09:44.939
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Ciceran, and the theme was

1613
01:09:44.939 --> 01:09:46.560
composed by Cameron Lahne.

1614
01:09:46.619 --> 01:09:51.060
This episode was recorded on the 7th of April 2026 and released on

1615
01:09:51.060 --> 01:09:52.020
the 10th of April.

1616
01:09:52.079 --> 01:09:55.979
We'll see you next time for Star Trek the Next Generation, the 1st

1617
01:09:55.979 --> 01:09:56.399
duty.

1618
01:10:13.079 --> 01:10:15.300
Where did I say I was good?

1619
01:10:15.359 --> 01:10:17.220
Oh, no, I was gonna go do the whole lot, didn't I?

1620
01:10:17.340 --> 01:10:17.939
Do the whole thing.

1621
01:10:17.939 --> 01:10:19.260
Moving in the Enterprise episode.

1622
01:10:19.319 --> 01:10:20.579
Yeah, first shooting, yes.

1623
01:10:20.760 --> 01:10:23.220
Yeah, I've watched it recently.

1624
01:10:23.279 --> 01:10:26.399
In fact, I'm surprised that I've watched it recently and I think

1625
01:10:26.399 --> 01:10:30.479
that the worst Robert is amazingly good in it, like surprisingly

1626
01:10:30.479 --> 01:10:30.779
good.

1627
01:10:30.840 --> 01:10:34.500
And like a really good character too.

1628
01:10:34.560 --> 01:10:35.939
It's the dad.

1629
01:10:36.000 --> 01:10:37.859
The dad always gets me in that episode.

1630
01:10:37.920 --> 01:10:40.319
Like Jake's dad.

1631
01:10:40.439 --> 01:10:41.279
Yeah.

1632
01:10:41.279 --> 01:10:43.260
Do you...

1633
01:10:43.260 --> 01:10:46.680
Because remember that Nick Lucano goes on to be the villain in

1634
01:10:46.680 --> 01:10:51.060
Series four, I think, of Lower Decks?

1635
01:10:51.119 --> 01:10:52.619
Did you know that?

1636
01:10:53.579 --> 01:10:55.979
I couldn't remember, but...

1637
01:10:55.979 --> 01:11:02.039
So, so it's the worst Robert, playing Nick Lucano on Lower Decks

1638
01:11:02.039 --> 01:11:04.619
and he's the villain in Lower Decks.

1639
01:11:04.680 --> 01:11:10.619
And, um, and we see a flashback to Starfleet Academy where little

1640
01:11:10.619 --> 01:11:15.119
Ensign Mariner, who's a 1st year, goes up to the Nova Squadron

1641
01:11:15.119 --> 01:11:21.300
people, including Cito and Wesley and, and, um, and Nick Lucano

1642
01:11:21.300 --> 01:11:27.239
and the other guy, um, and, like, his fangirling about, about it.

1643
01:11:27.300 --> 01:11:31.439
And we later, and so, which is kind of perfect because that, like

1644
01:11:31.439 --> 01:11:38.039
Mariner is friends with Cadet Cito, um, and then is the lead of

1645
01:11:38.039 --> 01:11:41.579
the show that's named after the episode that she next sort of

1646
01:11:41.579 --> 01:11:42.239
features in.

1647
01:11:42.300 --> 01:11:45.899
Um, but that's kind of heartbreaking, like it's properly good, you

1648
01:11:45.899 --> 01:11:49.500
know, like you, um, There's only, there's only one missed

1649
01:11:49.500 --> 01:11:51.779
opportunity, I think, with the 1st duty.

1650
01:11:51.840 --> 01:11:54.479
Um, and they start going down the route and then they pull back

1651
01:11:54.479 --> 01:12:00.539
from it where it's uh, Beverly going, you know, no, we're going to

1652
01:12:00.539 --> 01:12:01.079
fight for you.

1653
01:12:01.140 --> 01:12:04.079
How dare they accuse you of these things and all they wouldn't

1654
01:12:04.079 --> 01:12:04.319
have done it.

1655
01:12:04.439 --> 01:12:10.079
Afterwards, I just, they'd need to be a good scene where she's let

1656
01:12:10.079 --> 01:12:10.800
down by them.

1657
01:12:10.859 --> 01:12:12.720
And I don't think we really get that.

1658
01:12:12.960 --> 01:12:16.619
No, because it's about the relationship between him and Picard

1659
01:12:16.619 --> 01:12:17.279
isn't it?

1660
01:12:17.340 --> 01:12:19.920
Like it stops being about his mother.

1661
01:12:19.979 --> 01:12:24.359
Like his mother leaps to defend him, but we don't really care

1662
01:12:24.359 --> 01:12:25.260
about her.

1663
01:12:25.319 --> 01:12:26.159
Do you know what I mean?

1664
01:12:26.220 --> 01:12:28.800
That's kind of like set dressing or something or that's the

1665
01:12:28.800 --> 01:12:30.359
opposite of what we should be doing.

1666
01:12:30.420 --> 01:12:32.039
Like she's doing the wrong thing.

1667
01:12:32.460 --> 01:12:36.600
It'd be so interesting to do an episode set in the academy as well

1668
01:12:36.600 --> 01:12:39.359
after Starfleet Academy, you know?

1669
01:12:39.479 --> 01:12:40.500
Yeah, yeah.

1670
01:12:40.560 --> 01:12:42.300
Yeah.

1671
01:12:42.359 --> 01:12:43.920
Yeah, that'll be good.

1672
01:12:43.979 --> 01:12:44.460
Yeah.