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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So, we are back, and today we are celebrating Voyager's 100th episode.

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It's series 5, episode 6, Timeless, and it's a teleplay by Brandon Braga and Joe Manosky, and a story by Berman and Braga and Joe Manosky.

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And I have to say that this is, for me, the best episode of Voyager that we have done so far.

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I don't disagree.

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I've also prepared a message for myself to send back into the past.

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When did we start our titled Star Trek project?

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Uh, I don't know, like 2021, I think.

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I'll send it back to the day that we recorded the episode on Course Oblivion and say, don't worry, Joe. In the future, the great things are coming with Voyager, okay?

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There's at least one banger that you're going to talk about in the future.

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I think on that day we needed the hope, you know?

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Yeah, yeah.

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God, this is great.

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And now I said to you last week when we did the picking of this episode, I said that this was great.

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And finally, we've reached the day where I'm telling the truth and you rewatched something and it's as good as you remember.

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Actually, it was better than I remember.

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Visually, emotionally, creatively, structurally.

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It was all on point.

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Performance wise, I was like, bugger me.

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There's some very often in voyage, you know, your worst things I just mentioned there. something's off.

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You know, one of those things are off very often that the stars are line and all those things where you come away going, that was an amazing hour of television.

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Here we are.

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Look, I remembered it.

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I remembered that very, very strong opening image of Voyager frozen under the ice. and I remember that being visually spectacular.

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I don't think I remembered the incredible shot of Voyager crashing, which I think absolutely blew.

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Yeah, like a bit, but, but I mean, I think it's so much better than the sequence where the Enterprise D crashes in a feature film just a few years earlier.

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That reminded me.

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What's that?

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Generations.

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That reminded me of when Scorpio crashed in Blake Seven, you know, going from the trees.

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Whereas here, it feels like a plane crash.

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The sound effects are so dramatic as it's coming in.

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But you know, I said to you, but I've seen this episode quite a few times.

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I've done a review about this episode on Doc I review.

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I know what happens in this episode.

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Watching it this time.

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I was convinced because of the way the episode was going halfway through.

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I was like, oh, okay, we needed the end of an episode.

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They're going to save the day.

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Seven's going to get the message.

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It's fine.

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Yeah, in the back of my head.

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I knew that ship crashed. so when it so when it all goes horribly wrong.

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I went, oh, God.

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Like, Jesus Christ.

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So there are a few things going on here that I think are all kind of working for the show.

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The 1st one is the strong visual.

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Like, I think the initial idea is Voyager frozen under the ice, and I think it's a really, really great image, and it's beautifully realised, like, it just looks incredible.

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That shot going into the opening credits, you know, the most important shot of the beginning of the episode.

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Here's what it's about.

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It's perfect.

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So good.

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So it's inside as well.

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Oh so impressively done.

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I will complain about there being no cold breath.

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But the actual, that I start voyager, because, you know, we always complain about how dark and dingy and gray those sets are.

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Good grief when they're slavered with ice, they look absolutely arresting.

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I think LeVar said that he had to send people in to then clean them up so that they could be available for the rest of the episode, which they must have shot later.

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Can we order 15 Henry Hoovers, please, to sort out the carpet?

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Thank you.

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So there's that, the visual thing, and then the visual of the crash, which again is absolutely spectacular.

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It's not quite feature film quality, but it's very nearly there.

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It's really, really good.

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The decision to have that in the cell hit the rock and burst because then you're like, fuck, they ain't getting out of this. at that point, you know.

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Yeah, well, and the fact, too, that that happens at a time when we know that they're all being killed.

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Like that that's a fatal crash that will kill everyone on board.

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Same the puppies.

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Yeah.

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So we know what that means.

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And so it's so good and it skids straight into the camera and saves the outbreak.

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You know, you know how we said before?

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We like it when we're punched in the face when they thought this time, Voyagers, punching us in the face.

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It is amazing.

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So there's that.

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You've got a big telly, right, Nathan?

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Were you there going?

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Yeah, it was going towards you.

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So the other thing too is I think that it gives Garrett his best chance at bringing in a great performance.

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They saw him the previous year doing the performance that we remarked upon in the killing game, and they decided that they wanted to give him this episode on the strength of that.

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And this is intended to be a big event episode.

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It's the 100th episode, and they give it to Garrett, and he does a magnificently good job of it, I think.

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They hugely always give these episodes to K to Jerry and to Robert Picardo.

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They usually get the big episodes.

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I mean, before killing game.

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There was an amazing performance he gives in the shoe. the episode where him and Tom Paris are stuck on that prison.

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Well, okay.

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Oh, almost. gets a bit sexy.

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But again, his hair's all messy.

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He's all grimy and dirty and it's a very intense episode for him and it just baffles me how he had so few opportunities beyond those 3 episodes.

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I can't think of another time where they really push him like this.

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The 3rd thing that I get right.

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And I think there's other things they get right.

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I think they get the characterisation, right?

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I think the dialogue is really good.

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I think, you know, the fact that Garrett's the lead and he's the person who most wants to get home or most visibly wants to get home.

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He's the youngest.

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He's, you know, like he misses his mother.

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Like, all of her stuff are much such a great choice.

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It's so good.

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All everyone else loves him and wants him to succeed.

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Like, it's all really, really terrific.

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But then the other thing is just the way that the episode is structured and the way that it moves between the 2 time periods, the way that it moves between what, 2390 and 2375.

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And the way that everything comes to head, the way that those 2 time periods dovetail.

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And so we don't get to see Voyager crash in flashback.

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We get to see it happen as it happens and we get to see Harry destroy Voyager again for a 2nd time.

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And I just think that choice is so great.

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And I had the same experience as you.

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I thought, oh, so this is us working towards solving the problem and then we're going to...

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Before it crashes.

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So you're like, okay.

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And we're moving between the 2 time periods as that happens, we're sending the message from one time period to the other, he sends the message, she gets the message and it doesn't work and the ship crashes anyway.

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And I just think that's such a masterfully brilliant way of doing it.

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So the structure of the episode. making us wait until we truly understand the consequences of the crash because they could have done that at the end of act one.

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Maybe they give back too.

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It could have been the little teaser.

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It's 2/3 into the episode that we actually get the crash.

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So much so that I was convinced we weren't going to get it, even though I know I got it.

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The other thing this gets absolutely bang on.

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You know me.

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I have lots of complaints about Star Trek.

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God knows why I'll do this podcast.

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But I just hate techno Babble, right?

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And it was so simple.

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We've created a quantum slipscreen drive.

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Basically, we're going to make a big tunnel through space and get home nice and easily.

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Great.

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I can understand that.

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In the future, we're going to send a message to 7 of 9 via our implant to stop ourselves from doing that because it's so simple.

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It's so simply delivered that even a simpleton like me can understand what's happening.

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Thank you And it absolutely has to be that because everything, everything is about Harry's feeling about having made this mistake and how it changes Harry.

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And like that's so well done and so well portrayed.

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So because this is a high concept Brannan Braga episode, but because it has a proper character thing going on and with a character who's neglected, but kind of well-established.

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Like, I just think it just lands in every way.

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It's so good.

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So one of the rare Voyager episodes that is utterly based on the premise of the show, which they don't do as often as you might think.

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They're far too busy doing TNG knockoffs.

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So it feels important.

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It has consequences at the end because they do move 10 years towards the out of a quadrant and that's a win after we've been through all this horror.

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And there was, I mean, there was even moments where they weren't using dialogue and allowing actors to express what's happening on the screen, which I'll talk about later in the episode, just on every level.

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I have one issue with this and we talked about this off, Mike, and that is, it really irritates me that all alternative universe versions of Voyager or, you know, things that are rewritten are always more interesting than our Voyager.

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Because I said to you at the end, oh, we're going back to our Boring Voyager episodes now.

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Oh, well, never mind.

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You know, Living Witness, more interesting than a hot version of Voyager.

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I mean, geez, even stuff like, you know, when they go back in time in futures end, more interesting than our usual Voyager.

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Like whenever they divert from the show and these boring space problems that they're nebulas and they go through.

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It's always so great.

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I don't understand.

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I don't understand how they can get it so right when they do something different and it's normally so kind of average.

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Yeah, well, I mean, here, though, the scenes in 2375, the scenes in the kind of Voyager episode that we tuned in to watch this week.

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They're great.

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And like everyone's really well characterised.

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Tom is really good in it.

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You know, and...

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No, he's really good.

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Like he's absolutely watchable and he's nice, like he's sympathetic and he's kind to Harry and and all of that stuff is really, really good.

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Like, I'm not cringing when he's he's on screen.

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It's unusual though, isn't it?

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Yeah.

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I just think I, like I just think everything goes right for them here and it's, it's spectacular.

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So I'll stop whinging about, well, you know, what this episode isn't, what Voyager normally is, and just enjoy it for the classic that it is.

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I think we should watch it, you know.

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I think we should.

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Great fun watching Robert Beltran slipping around in the ice.

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It's not much of a slip, but he tries.

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I organise in 5, 4, 3, 2, one, and we're off.

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So stock footage of... snow superimposed on it.

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Fabulous.

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No, but it's got a sort of epic sweep to it.

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Doesn't it?

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Yeah.

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Look, we could be opening in our usual cave set. all right.

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Well, I have to say too, this set, which is just very clearly a set, is not stock cave set number one.

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Oh, how do you know?

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Well, they've redressed it so that it's nearly unrecognisable.

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It looks great.

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Like it's properly good.

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It's clearly a set.

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It's clearly a set, but it is something different from what we normally see.

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Do you know what it reminded me of, Nathan?

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You remember in Star Trek 6 when it was out in the snow?

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And I was like, oh, yeah.

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Oh, God, every time we go out and the snow is great.

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Yeah, or the beginning of Strange New World. 1st episode.

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Well, the thing is, they've always got that cave set, and we know they're spending a bit of money, you know, because they've got to go to the effort of making it snow.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Oh, actually, those are clearly sort of steps there.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah.

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Like, it's not for a 2nd. are we not in the studio?

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Wait for Robert to slip in a minute. is great.

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I'm not sure which one it is.

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I can't tell.

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Maybe it was a real slit ice.

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Who knows?

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But this amazing shot in a minute, the pullback to Voyager under the ice.

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Oh boy.

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And we get dialogue.

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This is our 1st dialogue.

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And I think the plan had been to do the 1st act with no dialogue at all.

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And they don't quite do that.

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This pullback is just spectacular, like absolutely unforgettable.

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What a great shot.

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What a great horse.

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It's just enough that you can see NCC. like, oh, my God.

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Yeah, where you can hear. the registry number.

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Perfect.

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Just absolutely perfect.

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And it just, it feels bold already.

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It feels like this is gonna be a brave episode.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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It's terrific.

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And we don't go back to our Voyager until after the next act.

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So from here to the ad break, we're in, you know, what is it?

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What did I say?

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2390 for 15 years in the future.

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Yeah, yeah.

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I mean, I thought this whole 1st act as they're exploring the ship fighting the bodies. barely reacting to them at all.

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It's so haunting.

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Like, you know, It's exactly the fucking same as what we saw in the naked now, but really chilling.

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It matters.

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Like, I don't know what it is.

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Like, am I in a really good mood at the moment or something, but everything seemed to land and everything seemed to matter.

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And I found myself thinking about how the characters are feeling, and I think it's just, I think it's just because it's well done.

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I wonder if, like, very often in Voyager, we are questioning what motivates anybody, because they don't usually think that thing through.

226
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Whereas here, you know, we know Harry, we know how badly he wants to get home.

227
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We know how much he loves Captain Janeway, as his mummy.

228
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We know, you know, like, he's the one that's always excited when there's a chance to get home somehow and, oh, let's risk it.

229
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Who cares?

230
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So to make this episode his fault.

231
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Yeah, wonderful.

232
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It's so good.

233
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It's such a good choice.

234
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It's the coolest thing they could do for real.

235
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So it's the most dramatic.

236
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But of course, it gets fixed for him.

237
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And here we go.

238
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It's wonderful.

239
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So good.

240
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I mean, why are they complaining about that special effect?

241
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You can see all the right and sort of crinkly because it's under the ice, you know?

242
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

243
00:15:42.960 --> 00:15:47.759
So someone in memory alpha says that it looks like when they're underwater, but I don't think so.

244
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I think it really, really looks like just very clear eye.

245
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So now we're in the sets that have been distressed.

246
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And it's so well lit. doing the X-Files things with the torchlight, so everything's really atmospheric.

247
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And now this is where we see that they're older.

248
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We didn't know until this point, did we?

249
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No, no, no.

250
00:16:06.899 --> 00:16:10.440
And and I think that the makeup on Harry is really good.

251
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Like they don't do old man makeup.

252
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They just give him eyebags and stuff and sort of longer hair, a little bit of gray.

253
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Like they don't overdo the makeup.

254
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I did notice there. actually notice it earlier today, but I have just noticed that the ice did just flail in the wind there.

255
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It was clearly a curtain at the back of the step.

256
00:16:27.120 --> 00:16:27.899
Never mind, never mind.

257
00:16:27.960 --> 00:16:28.500
Oh, no, no.

258
00:16:28.559 --> 00:16:32.159
I think there's some, there's some, there's some coffee plastic and stuff.

259
00:16:32.220 --> 00:16:34.500
There's some clear plastic dangling from the ceiling.

260
00:16:34.559 --> 00:16:36.899
This line here, and I think this line is really good.

261
00:16:36.960 --> 00:16:44.279
So Harry says, decks 9 through 14 are now deck 10. they've been compacted or they've been crushed.

262
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And so Harry is saying this in this really flip way, like he does a gag.

263
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And the thing about this version of Harry is that, and it's, it's cliched in all sorts of ways.

264
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I know, but this Harry has put up this sort of barrier around himself where he's making these flip quips about this terrible tragedy that's kind of ruined his life.

265
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It's when they are utterly unmoved by seeing Janeway that I was like, what has gone wrong here?

266
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So we saw Tom there in that shot.

267
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We see some people.

268
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And so the 2 of them split up.

269
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Harry's now encountering a dead body in the Jeffrey's tube and Chakotay's on the bridge and we see Tom and they both regard the bodies but don't react.

270
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Like that's Tom there, isn't it?

271
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Oh, how lovely.

272
00:17:38.099 --> 00:17:40.079
Oh, sorry, how sad.

273
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Yeah.

274
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But, but, but no one can afford to react because if they let themselves react.

275
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Do you know what I mean?

276
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They just, it's just too much.

277
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It's too much to respond.

278
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It's come to change this, hasn't he?

279
00:17:54.119 --> 00:17:55.559
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

280
00:17:55.619 --> 00:17:59.579
But, but, but just being confronted with it. and the Janeway.

281
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Like that.

282
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Oh, look, they've iced up all of her hair as well and everything.

283
00:18:04.980 --> 00:18:08.039
We know we're in a bad situation. you know, when her air's missy.

284
00:18:08.099 --> 00:18:15.839
Are you telling me that when that when forger crashed into that planet, all those decks just went crush and everyone in them.

285
00:18:15.900 --> 00:18:16.680
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

286
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Oh, fucking hell.

287
00:18:18.240 --> 00:18:27.779
Yeah, so, so I think, you know, like you, it's Star Trek and people aren't going to be overwrought about a pretend death that, you know, gets fixed by the end of the episode.

288
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See, this is bleak as well with 7.

289
00:18:30.779 --> 00:18:42.539
And like when Chakotay says to his girlfriend here, Tess, this isn't exactly a happy reunion, make it quick, like make it quick.

290
00:18:42.599 --> 00:18:53.339
And like that's super bleak and they could have played with it more because they kind of, you know, the doctor's holding her skull at some point, you know, with technology inside it.

291
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I've got to say as well, whoever's doing the Foley on this episode does a really great job when he's scraping ice away from the things.

292
00:19:05.640 --> 00:19:11.339
It was just, it was really visceral in a way that Voyager just, it's, usually.

293
00:19:11.400 --> 00:19:13.920
Everything's so clean normally, isn't it?

294
00:19:13.980 --> 00:19:15.000
You don't need sound effects.

295
00:19:15.599 --> 00:19:18.059
I don't know, it was immersive.

296
00:19:18.119 --> 00:19:19.380
It was really immersive.

297
00:19:19.440 --> 00:19:23.940
And so that's the we're here to save history or change history.

298
00:19:24.000 --> 00:19:25.500
That's our 1st end break, right?

299
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Now we go back to history.

300
00:19:28.380 --> 00:19:31.259
I think Janeway is slightly drunk.

301
00:19:31.319 --> 00:19:34.920
I don't know why she says interstellar instead of interstellar.

302
00:19:34.980 --> 00:19:40.200
And like this, again, the slow motion thing is a bit cheesy and stuff and we only see it once.

303
00:19:40.200 --> 00:19:41.220
It's established.

304
00:19:41.279 --> 00:19:42.299
No, no, no.

305
00:19:42.359 --> 00:19:43.799
It's probably confetti.

306
00:19:43.859 --> 00:19:46.140
It looks quite pretty in slow motion.

307
00:19:46.200 --> 00:19:48.480
No, look, another generational thing.

308
00:19:48.539 --> 00:19:50.579
They're smashing champagne bottles against things.

309
00:19:50.640 --> 00:19:52.380
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

310
00:19:52.440 --> 00:20:01.319
But it is, you know, we only see it once, we know that they're all dead, you know, and we know that this is, we've got to know that this is going to kill them.

311
00:20:01.440 --> 00:20:05.759
Do you think Laval said, look, we've already ruined all the sets.

312
00:20:05.819 --> 00:20:07.319
We may as well do engineering as well.

313
00:20:07.380 --> 00:20:09.839
We'll get the cleanup crews to do the whole lot.

314
00:20:09.900 --> 00:20:11.220
Yeah.

315
00:20:11.279 --> 00:20:13.859
But this is a big event too, isn't it?

316
00:20:13.920 --> 00:20:19.019
Like when they're saying it's precisely how long we've been in the Delta Quadrant and we're going home tomorrow.

317
00:20:19.079 --> 00:20:25.259
Like, it's an amazingly huge event and it is a thing that we know has to go wrong.

318
00:20:25.319 --> 00:20:31.859
And I think, I think the idea of showing us the consequence at the beginning allows us to even do the episode.

319
00:20:31.920 --> 00:20:35.579
I mean, automatically, I've seen either the needle. seen all the others.

320
00:20:35.640 --> 00:20:40.559
If this had come first, I'd have had that feeling in my gut of like, oh, dear.

321
00:20:40.619 --> 00:20:43.619
They're going to be very disappointed at the end of the episode.

322
00:20:43.740 --> 00:20:46.619
But it's much, yeah, they're all dead.

323
00:20:46.680 --> 00:20:48.660
Yeah, yeah.

324
00:20:48.660 --> 00:20:57.299
But here, like all of the dialogue, like both Robert, Medium Robert and Kate are really great.

325
00:20:57.299 --> 00:20:59.700
You got dinner plans.

326
00:20:59.759 --> 00:21:01.140
Well, you're coming to mind.

327
00:21:01.140 --> 00:21:02.339
Yeah, yeah, we do now.

328
00:21:02.339 --> 00:21:02.880
It's an order.

329
00:21:02.940 --> 00:21:03.599
Great.

330
00:21:03.660 --> 00:21:07.799
And then kneeling to the Talaxian furfly is wonderful.

331
00:21:07.859 --> 00:21:09.839
What does tuba say?

332
00:21:10.559 --> 00:21:15.900
You never failed to astonish me, Mr. Neelix. so funny.

333
00:21:15.960 --> 00:21:19.079
Look, like Roxanne's enjoying the scene.

334
00:21:19.140 --> 00:21:22.680
Like everyone is really just kind of giving their best.

335
00:21:22.799 --> 00:21:26.460
Look at the way she holds this thing that terrible...

336
00:21:28.259 --> 00:21:31.319
You are an unended source of astonishment, Mr. Nick.

337
00:21:31.380 --> 00:21:32.519
It's wonderful.

338
00:21:32.579 --> 00:21:34.500
Just adorable.

339
00:21:34.559 --> 00:21:36.720
So why are they always written like this?

340
00:21:36.779 --> 00:21:38.400
Yes, I know.

341
00:21:38.460 --> 00:21:40.680
I know. and now 7's drunk.

342
00:21:40.980 --> 00:21:43.380
Which is just terribly cute.

343
00:21:43.440 --> 00:21:47.279
My visual processors and motor cortex are sabotaged.

344
00:21:47.339 --> 00:21:55.559
But we've gone from seeing her dead body frozen in ice on the bridge and now we see this comedy scene with her.

345
00:21:55.619 --> 00:21:57.240
I love her.

346
00:21:57.299 --> 00:22:00.839
I am unable to comply when it...

347
00:22:00.839 --> 00:22:01.859
No, I don't know.

348
00:22:01.920 --> 00:22:03.539
I like, we are one.

349
00:22:03.599 --> 00:22:04.740
We are one doctor.

350
00:22:05.339 --> 00:22:09.299
It's great How many clocks did you have?

351
00:22:09.420 --> 00:22:11.039
That would be me.

352
00:22:11.099 --> 00:22:13.079
That would be me.

353
00:22:13.140 --> 00:22:15.660
It's not even it's not even alcohol.

354
00:22:15.720 --> 00:22:18.359
I've already got a sniffer beer and I want a kebab, you know.

355
00:22:21.779 --> 00:22:24.119
Oh, she's so nice.

356
00:22:24.180 --> 00:22:25.559
You are my mentor.

357
00:22:25.619 --> 00:22:25.980
Yes.

358
00:22:27.059 --> 00:22:30.000
This is what I would say to you if I was drunk.

359
00:22:30.599 --> 00:22:41.339
But again, like having the 2 of them like that, that interaction between the 2 of them where, for the rest of the episode, he's carving her head up to get technology out of it.

360
00:22:41.400 --> 00:22:43.259
He's really bruised. as well.

361
00:22:43.319 --> 00:22:45.119
Brannan identifies.

362
00:22:45.180 --> 00:22:45.539
Right.

363
00:22:45.599 --> 00:22:47.220
Jane Wenchkotay, that works.

364
00:22:47.279 --> 00:22:49.380
Chewbok and Neelix, that works.

365
00:22:49.859 --> 00:22:52.140
The Doctor at 7.

366
00:22:52.200 --> 00:22:52.559
That works.

367
00:22:52.619 --> 00:22:55.380
Well, Tom and Harry will, yeah.

368
00:22:55.440 --> 00:22:56.700
But this works.

369
00:22:56.759 --> 00:23:08.339
Like, it's written, like, it's, it's good because Tom understands how important this is to Harry, and it's Harry's project and Harry wants to get home.

370
00:23:08.339 --> 00:23:14.160
And Tom, Tom doesn't particularly want to get home because he's got horrible Admiral Paris, I'm waiting for him.

371
00:23:14.220 --> 00:23:21.720
But, but he understands and respects Harry's desire to get home and everyone else's, you know.

372
00:23:21.779 --> 00:23:28.859
And so he's really kind and gentle and stuff, but he has to be blunt, you know?

373
00:23:28.859 --> 00:23:31.319
So where's this Paris normally then?

374
00:23:31.380 --> 00:23:33.180
Yeah, I don't know.

375
00:23:33.240 --> 00:23:33.720
I don't know.

376
00:23:33.779 --> 00:23:35.880
I think him and Belana are unpleasant.

377
00:23:35.940 --> 00:23:44.220
I think the idea that him being a big whiny jerk, you know, like he's, I don't know, the Brannan Braga school of manhood or something.

378
00:23:44.279 --> 00:23:45.359
I don't know.

379
00:23:45.420 --> 00:23:48.539
Well, they shot these scenes here because that carpet looks pristine now.

380
00:23:48.599 --> 00:23:52.380
Do you think they shot this up post or pre-the ice?

381
00:23:52.440 --> 00:23:53.039
I don't know.

382
00:23:53.099 --> 00:23:57.480
LeVar did say something about having to clean the, having to clean the sets up.

383
00:23:57.539 --> 00:24:02.339
If you're making that much of a mess, Levar, you're clearing it up yourself, all right?

384
00:24:02.400 --> 00:24:05.400
Yeah, you would think that whoever, what's next week's episode?

385
00:24:06.480 --> 00:24:10.079
Oh, it's the one with 7 where she's got the multiple personalities.

386
00:24:10.140 --> 00:24:11.039
Infinite Recress.

387
00:24:11.099 --> 00:24:15.900
Okay, so you think that you just let the director of infinite regress do the Hoovering?

388
00:24:15.960 --> 00:24:17.819
I like to think he got on the phone.

389
00:24:17.880 --> 00:24:19.019
Marie, now, Jonathan.

390
00:24:19.079 --> 00:24:21.000
Come on now, I need the cleanup crew.

391
00:24:21.059 --> 00:24:22.319
Get to the voyages.

392
00:24:24.359 --> 00:24:27.059
It gets his mates to come and help.

393
00:24:27.119 --> 00:24:29.039
It's very well directed this though.

394
00:24:29.099 --> 00:24:39.900
And you have to have a good understanding of the structure of the story in order for all of the, the, you know, the tone of it has to be right at the right time.

395
00:24:39.900 --> 00:24:41.160
And he just got it.

396
00:24:41.220 --> 00:24:47.099
I feel like, um, Brannan and LeVar may have gone away on holiday.

397
00:24:47.160 --> 00:24:51.180
He wrote the scripts and they were totally they're just so in sync in this one.

398
00:24:51.420 --> 00:25:02.039
There's something even that thing just now where Tom says to Harry, we have to tell them. and Harry's face falls and Tom reacts to that.

399
00:25:02.099 --> 00:25:05.099
You know, like...

400
00:25:05.160 --> 00:25:12.660
Whenever they do this and it's like, oh, we're going to get home and it fails miserably or there are bumps along the way, it always works.

401
00:25:12.720 --> 00:25:15.119
I don't understand why they don't lean into this more.

402
00:25:15.180 --> 00:25:16.980
Yeah, just wrong.

403
00:25:17.279 --> 00:25:19.740
But, yeah.

404
00:25:19.799 --> 00:25:29.279
But this too, I mean, Harry, like Tom encourages Harry to, to, and look, is looking at him concerned and looking at him encouragingly.

405
00:25:29.339 --> 00:25:30.539
Like there's something there.

406
00:25:30.599 --> 00:25:31.859
I don't know.

407
00:25:31.920 --> 00:25:32.519
I don't know.

408
00:25:32.579 --> 00:25:35.279
Maybe this happens all the time and I'm just not inclined to notice it.

409
00:25:35.339 --> 00:25:37.740
We've done enough of these now. grief.

410
00:25:37.799 --> 00:25:39.900
Remember we saw Alice recently.

411
00:25:39.960 --> 00:25:41.519
Do you remember what Paris was like in that?

412
00:25:41.819 --> 00:25:46.079
Do you remember when he was inciting rebellion in Course Oblivion?

413
00:25:46.140 --> 00:25:47.220
He a prick normally?

414
00:25:47.279 --> 00:26:07.259
But, but if they had lent into, like, if their, if their relationship had been more, you know, like, not sort of sub-sitcom banter, like non-funny banter and stuff, like, if it had been that Tom was slightly older, you know, and cared about Harry.

415
00:26:07.319 --> 00:26:08.759
Like, you know, loved Harry.

416
00:26:08.819 --> 00:26:09.660
Do you know what I mean?

417
00:26:09.900 --> 00:26:15.839
Nowadays, I think they would be bisexual, you know, and they would dare to go there.

418
00:26:15.900 --> 00:26:17.519
They just wouldn't have done it then.

419
00:26:17.579 --> 00:26:26.039
But the moment they tried that in the shoot where it really genuinely looks like they're going to kiss, I mean, real, for real, there's such a charge there between them.

420
00:26:26.099 --> 00:26:32.700
But this show, like this show has such a constrained view of what masculinity is.

421
00:26:33.420 --> 00:26:43.259
And, and some, but here there was some real kindness and some real love in the way that they, that, that Tom was looking at Harry then.

422
00:26:43.319 --> 00:26:45.359
And look at Janeway as well.

423
00:26:45.420 --> 00:26:51.599
Like Janeway, obviously, and it's not stated in dialogue, but obviously it were that.

424
00:26:51.660 --> 00:26:56.220
And look, like he goes, yes, and Tom smiles in encouragement.

425
00:26:56.220 --> 00:27:06.720
And obviously one of the reasons why Janeway agrees to listen to his proposal is because Janeway knows that he wants to get home and loves him and staff.

426
00:27:06.779 --> 00:27:09.960
I adore this scene between J.

427
00:27:09.960 --> 00:27:11.339
Ray, I should say.

428
00:27:11.400 --> 00:27:16.079
Not just for the gags, but just because of the intimacy, how it's lit.

429
00:27:16.140 --> 00:27:20.099
And this is what I asked for after resolutions. explore this stuff.

430
00:27:20.160 --> 00:27:22.740
There's a relationship here that's waiting to happen.

431
00:27:22.799 --> 00:27:25.200
And of course, this is just mutual respects.

432
00:27:25.259 --> 00:27:29.279
It's not romantic anyway, but it's kind of lit in a romantic way.

433
00:27:29.400 --> 00:27:30.539
It's beautiful.

434
00:27:30.599 --> 00:27:44.160
And, and, and like, and the other thing that I really like is that Janeway is really rash, and I think it's partly because she, you know, because she cares about Harry.

435
00:27:44.519 --> 00:27:49.019
And also because, you know, she's aware that she stranded them here.

436
00:27:49.019 --> 00:27:51.779
And because that's her character, she takes risks.

437
00:27:51.839 --> 00:27:57.420
You know, she takes risks and she's got Chakotay here saying, really don't do this.

438
00:27:57.480 --> 00:27:58.680
It's not a good idea.

439
00:27:58.799 --> 00:28:04.380
Something could go horribly wrong and, you know, like we, we, there are too many variables.

440
00:28:04.440 --> 00:28:06.660
He says, something goes wrong. we're screwed.

441
00:28:06.720 --> 00:28:08.700
I bet she goes for it anyway.

442
00:28:08.819 --> 00:28:21.180
This is played gently, but again, the best Janeway Chakotay scenes is when she makes a decision and he's kind of appalled or pushes against it and they just didn't do that enough.

443
00:28:21.240 --> 00:28:22.259
Do you remember in Scorpion?

444
00:28:22.319 --> 00:28:22.799
It was great.

445
00:28:22.920 --> 00:28:29.220
Do you remember in Equinox when she's behaving like a psychopath and he's going, why are you trying to flush people out of airlocks?

446
00:28:29.279 --> 00:28:29.759
going on?

447
00:28:29.819 --> 00:28:31.319
But it always works.

448
00:28:31.380 --> 00:28:33.960
I just I don't get why they forget it.

449
00:28:34.019 --> 00:28:35.579
Yeah, yeah.

450
00:28:35.640 --> 00:28:39.660
Also, again, like the looks between them as well.

451
00:28:39.720 --> 00:28:42.960
That, like, it's mostly, to be fair.

452
00:28:43.019 --> 00:28:44.039
Yeah, yeah, it is her.

453
00:28:44.220 --> 00:28:47.339
But he's giving, he's, you know, like he's rising to it, I think.

454
00:28:47.400 --> 00:28:48.839
Like, she puts her hand on him.

455
00:28:48.900 --> 00:28:50.640
Are you ready to try some home cooking?

456
00:28:50.700 --> 00:28:55.619
He says, alert, Sick Bay, which is a dumb gag, but her response to it sells it.

457
00:28:55.799 --> 00:29:06.359
Like she puts her hand on his neck and then just smiles at him and now he's a great transition as well to the future because they don't try and match up the pad because they're never going to get it right.

458
00:29:06.420 --> 00:29:08.099
So they just put one over the other.

459
00:29:08.160 --> 00:29:14.579
Well, because the ship's been damaged and stuff and it's just like, so we just before going into the ad break.

460
00:29:14.640 --> 00:29:21.240
And so we've out of the ad break now and we're back in the future. dreadful trousers he's wearing, Harry.

461
00:29:21.299 --> 00:29:22.079
Oh, dear.

462
00:29:22.079 --> 00:29:25.200
They are from a Deep Space 9 episode.

463
00:29:25.259 --> 00:29:26.819
Is it called the Ascent?

464
00:29:26.880 --> 00:29:29.579
That's the one where Odo and Quart go up the mountain?

465
00:29:29.640 --> 00:29:30.420
you remember?

466
00:29:30.480 --> 00:29:30.839
Yeah.

467
00:29:30.900 --> 00:29:32.160
So they're wearing those.

468
00:29:32.220 --> 00:29:35.579
Oh, wow, they look bad on almond and Renee as well.

469
00:29:38.700 --> 00:29:47.039
I don't know why things, but all the clothes on Voyager, they bunch sharp around the area in a very unfortunate way.

470
00:29:47.220 --> 00:29:48.660
Yeah.

471
00:29:48.720 --> 00:30:01.019
So again, so his Harry being flip about the death, you know, all it took was just killing everyone we loved and and Chakotay says Harry like stops him.

472
00:30:01.079 --> 00:30:03.660
You know, um, I like the deep...

473
00:30:03.660 --> 00:30:09.420
Like, he's going to do the, like the, he does his hand gesture to, to mime Voyager exploding.

474
00:30:09.539 --> 00:30:12.119
We had no way to salvage your program.

475
00:30:12.180 --> 00:30:13.440
I'm sorry, you're not important.

476
00:30:13.500 --> 00:30:15.059
Stop this from happening.

477
00:30:15.119 --> 00:30:21.299
No, I really like the line and you know how we sort of hate bullshit backstory, but there's details here that I really like.

478
00:30:21.359 --> 00:30:25.380
He says the hand of every admiral that I shook when I got home.

479
00:30:25.440 --> 00:30:31.740
I went and saw every single one of them to try and make this happen and all of them said no.

480
00:30:31.799 --> 00:30:32.279
I don't know.

481
00:30:32.519 --> 00:30:35.579
The detail just, it was convincing.

482
00:30:35.640 --> 00:30:43.079
But think how much as the audience, we want to know what happens when Voyager gets back home and we never...

483
00:30:43.140 --> 00:30:44.220
Fashion, if it's fine.

484
00:30:44.279 --> 00:30:46.140
Just the 2 of them.

485
00:30:46.200 --> 00:30:47.880
Oh, we killed everyone getting here.

486
00:30:47.940 --> 00:30:48.960
Yeah, yeah.

487
00:30:48.960 --> 00:30:51.000
Like, I think that's brilliant.

488
00:30:51.059 --> 00:30:56.940
Like that, we want to hear it, but it's a horrible poisoned version of that narrative, like an awful version.

489
00:30:57.059 --> 00:30:58.680
Like it's really good.

490
00:30:58.740 --> 00:31:01.319
That's even worse than my version, Nathan.

491
00:31:01.380 --> 00:31:04.140
Of course, oblivion. when I said they should have got home and then all melted.

492
00:31:04.680 --> 00:31:06.839
Yeah, yeah.

493
00:31:09.779 --> 00:31:14.220
Yeah, yeah. and now we've got dead 7 here.

494
00:31:14.279 --> 00:31:16.740
Um, Yeah.

495
00:31:16.799 --> 00:31:19.619
Oh, they put gray in Chakotay's hair again.

496
00:31:19.680 --> 00:31:19.920
Sorry.

497
00:31:19.980 --> 00:31:21.960
I'm just, it does look great.

498
00:31:22.019 --> 00:31:23.700
I mean, prodigy did that as well, didn't it?

499
00:31:23.759 --> 00:31:25.019
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

500
00:31:25.079 --> 00:31:28.859
You didn't see the episode, The Last Flight of the Protestar, where he has the big beard.

501
00:31:28.920 --> 00:31:30.119
You saw the flashback.

502
00:31:31.380 --> 00:31:32.819
Prodigy with a beard.

503
00:31:34.140 --> 00:31:38.160
It's amazing how well he can act as a cartoon character, you know.

504
00:31:40.319 --> 00:31:42.539
But he's so good in this.

505
00:31:42.599 --> 00:31:45.539
Like, I really like him in this. unbelievable, isn't it?

506
00:31:45.599 --> 00:31:49.140
An episode that's built around Beltran and Garrett Wang. this good?

507
00:31:49.200 --> 00:31:50.819
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

508
00:31:50.880 --> 00:31:52.380
What are the old...

509
00:31:52.440 --> 00:31:55.980
How much of it is because they're being given good material?

510
00:31:56.039 --> 00:32:02.279
You know, they they stop bothering, I think, to give Chakotay anything to do.

511
00:32:02.339 --> 00:32:04.140
And I think he checks out.

512
00:32:04.200 --> 00:32:07.799
I do like this character, the girlfriend, bar.

513
00:32:07.859 --> 00:32:13.500
It was your standard voyager. murder she wrote actor of the week playing it.

514
00:32:13.559 --> 00:32:19.380
So, I mean, this is 90s TV. like they're all guests in all shows are like this.

515
00:32:19.440 --> 00:32:21.119
Excepting Simmons.

516
00:32:21.180 --> 00:32:21.660
Excuse me?

517
00:32:21.720 --> 00:32:41.579
Yeah, well, yeah, no, she's not a big name, but she, I think, like, there is a sense here There a kind of sense in which her job is to do the emotional labour that she has got this man and this man is so sad and so hurt and so, you know, she loves him, but there's this deep hurt in him.

518
00:32:41.640 --> 00:32:53.279
And when she gets the chance to do something, even something dangerous and illegal to help him fix it, she does it, even because... that their relationship will cease to be that they'll never meet.

519
00:32:53.339 --> 00:32:56.279
They have that conversation. have that conversation in the episode.

520
00:32:56.339 --> 00:33:03.180
So she's even prepared to forego him to let him go to give him the chance to fix this.

521
00:33:03.240 --> 00:33:06.059
And she's the one who says, you always lived here.

522
00:33:06.119 --> 00:33:13.140
This, the Bridge of Voyager is where you belong, because he's going to get to take her on board the bridge now, you know.

523
00:33:13.200 --> 00:33:17.819
I thought this line was a bit shit again, where Harry says, we're having sex.

524
00:33:17.880 --> 00:33:20.940
And the reason it's terrible is no one on Star Trek.

525
00:33:21.000 --> 00:33:23.220
90 Star Trek has sex. you know what I mean?

526
00:33:23.279 --> 00:33:24.839
Like, it's just like, it's St.

527
00:33:24.839 --> 00:33:29.279
John's Big Space 9, of course, but yeah, except Monday, so it's 9 where they're all willing.

528
00:33:29.339 --> 00:33:30.660
Yeah, that's right.

529
00:33:30.720 --> 00:33:33.059
But, you know, that's transgressive.

530
00:33:33.119 --> 00:33:39.180
And again, it is trying to show that he's not the, you know, the fresh faced young man.

531
00:33:39.240 --> 00:33:41.099
He is in Voyager.

532
00:33:41.160 --> 00:33:42.900
I like the fact that Voyager Crush, though.

533
00:33:42.960 --> 00:33:47.220
We went back to the special effect and a whole glacier sort of grown over the top of it.

534
00:33:47.279 --> 00:33:48.720
Yeah, the snow's fallen.

535
00:33:48.779 --> 00:33:51.779
Well, because it was, or do you think it got hot?

536
00:33:51.839 --> 00:33:52.799
It was hot.

537
00:33:52.859 --> 00:34:00.180
It came down hot and it melts the ice and sinks into the water and then the ice freezes over it, you know.

538
00:34:00.240 --> 00:34:10.139
Do you remember when we watched Scorpion and you were slightly appalled by the scenes on the bullshit where David Livingstone was trying to give us atmosphere with Strobe light and things like this.

539
00:34:10.139 --> 00:34:13.500
Well, I mean, it's not getting it right here, don't they?

540
00:34:13.559 --> 00:34:20.940
I mean, they're not they're not doing that, but they're doing atmosphere and suspense with the set and I just think it works like gangbusters.

541
00:34:21.000 --> 00:34:24.179
I don't want to go back to the normal boy, just say.

542
00:34:24.239 --> 00:34:25.320
Yeah, yeah.

543
00:34:25.380 --> 00:34:26.639
But look at this.

544
00:34:26.699 --> 00:34:29.940
Like again, he's been given something to do.

545
00:34:30.000 --> 00:34:32.219
This is very soapy acting.

546
00:34:32.280 --> 00:34:33.059
Do you know what I mean?

547
00:34:33.119 --> 00:34:35.340
This time I was in this chair, Nathan.

548
00:34:35.400 --> 00:34:36.659
Yeah, yeah, they were all alive.

549
00:34:36.719 --> 00:34:38.820
Like all of that's pretty ripe, right?

550
00:34:38.880 --> 00:34:43.860
But like you're just giving him the chance to just sit and think and he's looking down.

551
00:34:43.920 --> 00:34:46.380
He's not looking around the sheep or anything like that.

552
00:34:46.440 --> 00:34:50.460
He's now looking at her, but like he's really hurt.

553
00:34:50.519 --> 00:34:52.260
You know, like, it's so good.

554
00:34:52.320 --> 00:34:55.199
That is the usual Voyager thing by having him say it.

555
00:34:55.260 --> 00:34:59.820
He could have just sat in the chair. and we could have probably have gone there.

556
00:34:59.880 --> 00:35:00.780
We knew.

557
00:35:00.840 --> 00:35:06.000
Michael Burnham would have just sat down and looked sad and we would have been like, oh, right.

558
00:35:06.059 --> 00:35:06.480
Yeah, okay.

559
00:35:06.539 --> 00:35:07.559
Yeah, okay, we get that.

560
00:35:07.619 --> 00:35:08.219
Yeah, you're right.

561
00:35:08.340 --> 00:35:16.199
Which is why, which is why when they fail. to have Harry Kim say, oh my god, what have I done when the crash happens?

562
00:35:16.260 --> 00:35:19.860
I was cheering, going, thank you, you've let him do it with a look.

563
00:35:20.519 --> 00:35:23.699
Yeah, and this, so this is the thing.

564
00:35:23.760 --> 00:35:24.900
You know, he makes a little gag.

565
00:35:24.960 --> 00:35:26.699
You can't go to my quarters because they're a mess.

566
00:35:26.760 --> 00:35:30.119
And now they're having the conversation about how they're never going to meet.

567
00:35:30.179 --> 00:35:32.219
Like if this works, we won't ever have met.

568
00:35:32.280 --> 00:35:33.719
And we could not do this.

569
00:35:35.699 --> 00:35:38.400
Sort of a bit cheeky, a bit.

570
00:35:38.400 --> 00:35:39.480
Oh, Robert Belgium.

571
00:35:39.539 --> 00:35:40.380
Where have you been?

572
00:35:40.440 --> 00:35:42.059
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

573
00:35:42.119 --> 00:35:44.400
Again, he's been given something to do.

574
00:35:44.460 --> 00:35:46.619
They know this is the 100th episode.

575
00:35:46.679 --> 00:35:55.199
Everyone is, like everyone's aware that this is a big milestone, and everyone's doing their best this week, and they've got material that's worthy of it.

576
00:35:55.260 --> 00:35:59.639
It happens more often than you'd think in season five, you know, I think.

577
00:35:59.699 --> 00:36:00.239
Okay.

578
00:36:00.239 --> 00:36:05.820
There's quite a lot of event episodes in terms of everyone given their A game.

579
00:36:08.039 --> 00:36:08.760
Yeah.

580
00:36:08.820 --> 00:36:13.260
I mean, I have to think that, again, it's that thing that I've said before about shorter seasons.

581
00:36:13.320 --> 00:36:17.340
If we just had a shorter season where everything was an event.

582
00:36:17.400 --> 00:36:20.039
Well, we also have course oblivion this year as well.

583
00:36:20.099 --> 00:36:21.000
It's not all.

584
00:36:21.119 --> 00:36:23.159
It's not roses.

585
00:36:23.219 --> 00:36:27.119
No, it's a calamity.

586
00:36:27.780 --> 00:36:31.260
Joe, she does look a bit like Janeway in the right light.

587
00:36:31.320 --> 00:36:36.719
It's gone for someone just like...

588
00:36:36.780 --> 00:36:42.360
I like the fact, you know, that in Prodigy, ultimately, Chakotay did end up with a version of Janeway, you know.

589
00:36:42.420 --> 00:36:44.579
Finally, our desires were women.

590
00:36:44.699 --> 00:36:45.360
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

591
00:36:45.420 --> 00:36:46.679
Okay.

592
00:36:46.739 --> 00:36:51.900
So we have just had Harry recording a message.

593
00:36:52.019 --> 00:36:52.920
That's great.

594
00:36:52.920 --> 00:36:55.440
It's just a little line, isn't it?

595
00:36:55.500 --> 00:36:58.980
It's just a little line where it goes, I've just, does he say, I've just made a message?

596
00:36:59.039 --> 00:37:01.199
I can't remember what the line is, but it's throwaway.

597
00:37:01.260 --> 00:37:03.960
Oh, he says, yeah, I was writing a letter.

598
00:37:04.019 --> 00:37:17.159
And, and, but we just heard a message from Janeway, a recording from Janeway, a captain's log from Janeway on the bridge that is a message from 15 years in the past that's being sent to Chakotay in the future.

599
00:37:17.219 --> 00:37:25.860
We'll discover that the message that Harry was just recording is a message from the future, which is going to be sent back in the past so that Harry can see it.

600
00:37:25.920 --> 00:37:31.619
And even that, just that little touch of those 2 messages coming in successive scenes going in opposite directions.

601
00:37:31.679 --> 00:37:33.059
I think it's really good.

602
00:37:33.119 --> 00:37:37.260
Like, you just have no idea it was so easy to send messages through time, you know.

603
00:37:37.320 --> 00:37:40.619
Ah, well, you know, if you have to.

604
00:37:40.679 --> 00:37:43.320
Well, it seems like in a bubble here.

605
00:37:43.380 --> 00:37:50.400
Janeway's message was recorded and then left for 15 years and that's how it ended up in the future.

606
00:37:50.460 --> 00:37:52.980
It was just picked up.

607
00:37:53.039 --> 00:37:54.239
These things happen.

608
00:37:56.159 --> 00:37:59.460
It's a good thing those circuits weren't eroded.

609
00:37:59.519 --> 00:38:00.420
And then this.

610
00:38:00.480 --> 00:38:15.179
So there's this line here, which we just talked over, which I think is absolutely stunning and a great performance from the 2 of them, where the doctor makes this flip joke where he says, ah, you know, like at least it's better than being buried under 20 metres of ice.

611
00:38:15.239 --> 00:38:23.039
And Harry just turns and looks at him and says, you don't know how many times I wish I had been.

612
00:38:23.099 --> 00:38:25.860
And the doctor looks genuinely abashed.

613
00:38:25.920 --> 00:38:29.699
And because Harry had been super flip all the way through in dialogue.

614
00:38:29.760 --> 00:38:36.420
And when the doctor does it to him and he's just straightforwardly honest, and that's heartbreaking because that's real.

615
00:38:36.480 --> 00:38:37.980
Like, that's how you would feel.

616
00:38:38.039 --> 00:38:39.179
Do you know what I mean?

617
00:38:39.239 --> 00:38:44.219
Like even people who survive an accident that they're not responsible for, feel guilt about it.

618
00:38:44.280 --> 00:38:46.260
And like it's cliche.

619
00:38:46.320 --> 00:38:49.619
It's a cliche line, but it's just so well delivered by both of them.

620
00:38:49.679 --> 00:38:52.079
I wouldn't want more.

621
00:38:52.139 --> 00:38:59.460
I wouldn't want Harry Kim to be this unhappy all of the time because that's just not who his character is.

622
00:38:59.519 --> 00:39:03.659
But I wouldn't mind a little more because Garrett is selling it and then some.

623
00:39:03.780 --> 00:39:11.579
And usually when I look at him in a scene, he's vacant, you know, whereas he's really got something to grab hold of here and deliver.

624
00:39:12.239 --> 00:39:15.780
And when we go back to the future, he's still on.

625
00:39:15.840 --> 00:39:18.659
Like Garrett is still being given interesting things to do.

626
00:39:18.780 --> 00:39:25.860
And even though like it ends with him being saved, it ends so positively...

627
00:39:25.860 --> 00:39:26.639
I remember...

628
00:39:26.639 --> 00:39:28.139
I remember...

629
00:39:28.139 --> 00:39:34.739
I'm being so frustrated because they have that dialogue scene at him and Janeway and I'd forgotten a line about the letter.

630
00:39:34.739 --> 00:39:38.280
And I was like, oh, come on, like, why do you always do this?

631
00:39:38.340 --> 00:39:39.599
Why do you always rewrite the past?

632
00:39:39.659 --> 00:39:41.460
There's no real consequences for anybody.

633
00:39:41.519 --> 00:39:43.199
And then that message played.

634
00:39:43.260 --> 00:39:44.880
I was like, thank you.

635
00:39:44.940 --> 00:39:46.260
Thank you so much.

636
00:39:46.380 --> 00:39:54.179
At the moment, I remembered it because he turns and says, doctor, I'm just coming or the doctor, you hear the doctor say something, he turns up, just coming.

637
00:39:54.239 --> 00:39:58.619
I thought, oh, yes, of course, that's in the message because I remember that the message happened.

638
00:39:58.679 --> 00:40:04.380
But the message does something and the message does change Harry and make a difference.

639
00:40:04.440 --> 00:40:10.619
And so both Harry's get redeemed in that moment because both of them fix each other.

640
00:40:10.679 --> 00:40:11.940
Do you know what I mean?

641
00:40:12.000 --> 00:40:24.000
Like Harry, like our Harry gets the chance to solve this catastrophe, this mistake he's made, but he also gets the chance to fix how he's felt about that as well more directly.

642
00:40:24.059 --> 00:40:24.900
It's so good.

643
00:40:24.960 --> 00:40:32.280
It's why I think this is better than the year of hell, which does just wipe out the timeline and nobody's got any clue.

644
00:40:32.400 --> 00:40:33.659
They go, oh, it's the crown.

645
00:40:33.719 --> 00:40:34.980
Well, we'll just go round that then.

646
00:40:35.039 --> 00:40:35.519
There you go.

647
00:40:35.579 --> 00:40:39.780
It gives anorax a happy ending and that's all very satisfying.

648
00:40:39.840 --> 00:40:40.440
That's good.

649
00:40:40.440 --> 00:40:42.960
It should impact our character.

650
00:40:43.019 --> 00:40:43.800
True.

651
00:40:43.800 --> 00:40:44.400
Yeah.

652
00:40:44.400 --> 00:40:46.139
But this probably does.

653
00:40:46.199 --> 00:40:46.980
This properly does.

654
00:40:48.360 --> 00:40:52.380
Wow, look at this editing. cut, cut, cut, she goes.

655
00:40:52.440 --> 00:40:52.980
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

656
00:40:53.699 --> 00:40:56.760
Even this cheesy line, lunch salami sandwiches.

657
00:40:56.820 --> 00:41:10.800
And then... and then... and and but Medium Robert smiles like this beautiful smile at this and and because we've seen them being so so heavy.

658
00:41:10.860 --> 00:41:11.760
Do you know what I mean?

659
00:41:11.760 --> 00:41:19.380
and seeing them, like, it's a relief to see them having fun, but it is also kind of awful to see them having fun as well because we know it's going to happen.

660
00:41:19.440 --> 00:41:27.960
Wow, the suspense it built in this, because from the very, you know, the pre-toles, because we know the impact of Scott, oh, I love seeing the galaxy class starship.

661
00:41:28.019 --> 00:41:35.579
This is the 1st time that we switch between time periods in the show, in the in, like without an ad break.

662
00:41:35.579 --> 00:41:39.960
And for a 2nd when I 1st saw that, and the Delta Flyers going along.

663
00:41:40.019 --> 00:41:45.000
And instead of Voyager coming after it, it's a galaxy class.

664
00:41:45.059 --> 00:41:48.000
It's really good and you just have that little moment, you know.

665
00:41:48.059 --> 00:41:49.559
Well, it's done visually as well.

666
00:41:49.619 --> 00:41:50.519
It's not explained.

667
00:41:51.239 --> 00:41:53.940
But for a 2nd I thought, wait, what's that?

668
00:41:54.659 --> 00:41:57.840
Oh my god, we're going to say LaVar's eyes.

669
00:41:57.900 --> 00:41:58.320
How lovely.

670
00:41:58.380 --> 00:41:59.400
Yeah.

671
00:41:59.460 --> 00:42:01.860
So this is what he looks like in nemesis.

672
00:42:01.920 --> 00:42:03.059
Has nemesis happened by now?

673
00:42:03.119 --> 00:42:04.139
I think it probably works.

674
00:42:04.199 --> 00:42:06.599
It is absolutely beautiful there, mate.

675
00:42:06.780 --> 00:42:08.039
Yeah, he is a beautiful man.

676
00:42:08.099 --> 00:42:08.639
Yeah.

677
00:42:08.699 --> 00:42:09.179
Yeah.

678
00:42:09.239 --> 00:42:11.880
It's my outfit's been cameo.

679
00:42:11.940 --> 00:42:14.280
I would do a bit of Alfred Hitchcock in this episode, yeah.

680
00:42:14.340 --> 00:42:17.519
Yeah, so, I mean, it wasn't his idea.

681
00:42:17.579 --> 00:42:23.519
I think sort of once he was in it, and he hadn't directed an episode with himself in it before or for a long time.

682
00:42:23.579 --> 00:42:25.559
Well, who was going to be in it then?

683
00:42:25.619 --> 00:42:26.760
La Forge.

684
00:42:26.820 --> 00:42:29.159
Oh, well, it didn't, it could have been anyone.

685
00:42:29.219 --> 00:42:34.260
I mean, the next time this happens, it'll be Captain Harry Kim doing this in Endgame.

686
00:42:36.059 --> 00:42:39.119
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right.

687
00:42:40.800 --> 00:42:43.679
And oh gosh, he's so charming.

688
00:42:43.739 --> 00:42:45.119
And again, that makes an event.

689
00:42:45.179 --> 00:42:46.980
It makes it an event, doesn't it?

690
00:42:47.039 --> 00:42:48.780
When someone from the parent show is in it.

691
00:42:48.840 --> 00:42:49.260
Absolutely.

692
00:42:49.320 --> 00:42:49.980
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

693
00:42:50.039 --> 00:42:53.579
Because we don't ever have TNG and Voyager crossing over.

694
00:42:53.639 --> 00:42:54.719
Yeah, we will.

695
00:42:54.780 --> 00:42:57.420
It'll become a regular because...

696
00:42:57.480 --> 00:43:07.559
Yeah, that's always an event, but then, you know, like... a break episode, another episode that's tied into the premise of the show and it's another banger as well.

697
00:43:07.619 --> 00:43:08.460
Yeah.

698
00:43:08.460 --> 00:43:12.059
God, maybe we were wrong about Voyager all these years, you know.

699
00:43:12.119 --> 00:43:13.980
But that's what I'm wondering.

700
00:43:14.039 --> 00:43:14.940
That's what I want.

701
00:43:15.000 --> 00:43:20.159
Now, look, we come back and there's the same shot, but it's Voyager instead of the Galaxy Class shift.

702
00:43:20.760 --> 00:43:24.659
Just you go and watch a double helping of Twisted and the fight.

703
00:43:26.280 --> 00:43:27.840
I remember.

704
00:43:27.900 --> 00:43:36.960
I mean, the other thing too is, like, this is the point at which you realise the thing that's motivating the switches between the time periods is that they're about to coincide.

705
00:43:37.019 --> 00:43:41.099
So we will see the message being sent and then being received.

706
00:43:41.159 --> 00:43:43.800
And when you were watching it this afternoon, you thought...

707
00:43:43.860 --> 00:43:47.280
It feels so triumphant and I was so convinced this was the end of the episode.

708
00:43:47.340 --> 00:43:48.900
Oh, they got to fix it.

709
00:43:48.960 --> 00:43:56.639
We saw the beginning and now they're going to fix it and the genius of it is that they don't.

710
00:43:58.260 --> 00:44:05.340
I am convinced that is the best into the ad break Voyager moment ever of the ship crash.

711
00:44:05.400 --> 00:44:06.719
I don't think they ever top that.

712
00:44:06.780 --> 00:44:07.679
So good.

713
00:44:07.739 --> 00:44:17.880
And like we said, before we before we press play, we said the reason that it works, so well, here, rather than as the cold open, is that we know what it means.

714
00:44:17.940 --> 00:44:19.800
We know that this is everyone being killed.

715
00:44:19.800 --> 00:44:22.139
And we know that it's Harry Failing again.

716
00:44:22.199 --> 00:44:24.300
You know, like Harry's failing again.

717
00:44:24.360 --> 00:44:32.699
And so, so, at the beginning, it looked like we were just going to hear Harry tell us about what had happened in the past and we saw the consequences.

718
00:44:32.760 --> 00:44:37.559
But now we get to watch it happen, and we get to watch it happen twice in 2 time periods.

719
00:44:37.619 --> 00:44:39.780
And just the way that it breaks, Harry.

720
00:44:39.840 --> 00:44:41.760
I think is his best performance.

721
00:44:41.820 --> 00:44:43.380
He's desperately trying to save them.

722
00:44:43.440 --> 00:44:52.980
Chakotay pulls him away and then the camera just lingers on him when he realises he has murdered the entire crew and he's going to have to watch it.

723
00:44:53.039 --> 00:44:54.659
Yeah, yeah.

724
00:44:54.719 --> 00:44:57.119
That's amazing. horrible, isn't it?

725
00:44:57.179 --> 00:44:59.940
He's just never going to see them again. you know what I mean?

726
00:45:00.000 --> 00:45:01.019
He doesn't even know what happens.

727
00:45:02.159 --> 00:45:05.579
I feel even worse when I pop out back on earth.

728
00:45:05.639 --> 00:45:06.300
Oh, God.

729
00:45:06.360 --> 00:45:07.980
How am I gonna explain this?

730
00:45:08.039 --> 00:45:09.780
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

731
00:45:09.840 --> 00:45:14.820
Like, it's, oh, you can only do this once, can't you?

732
00:45:14.880 --> 00:45:17.519
You can only do this sort of like, we're nearly home.

733
00:45:17.519 --> 00:45:19.019
It's all wrong. again.

734
00:45:19.559 --> 00:45:21.179
Several times.

735
00:45:21.360 --> 00:45:23.519
Is that work, didn't it?

736
00:45:23.579 --> 00:45:24.960
Yeah, let's try it again.

737
00:45:25.320 --> 00:45:27.420
But that is what they do.

738
00:45:27.480 --> 00:45:32.099
Like they do, like a crappy retrader piece is the finale.

739
00:45:32.159 --> 00:45:33.599
That's where I was convinced.

740
00:45:33.659 --> 00:45:35.159
The doctor goes, yes, I've done it.

741
00:45:35.219 --> 00:45:36.539
And then 7 gets the message.

742
00:45:36.599 --> 00:45:38.820
I was like, 0 my God. things in.

743
00:45:38.880 --> 00:45:39.719
We've got the time.

744
00:45:39.780 --> 00:45:40.500
We've got the date.

745
00:45:40.559 --> 00:45:41.820
We're sending the phase variants.

746
00:45:41.880 --> 00:45:43.800
About 15 years out he makes the same mistake.

747
00:45:43.860 --> 00:45:45.480
Nathan, remember, right?

748
00:45:45.539 --> 00:45:47.400
Obviously, I've noted how this ends.

749
00:45:47.460 --> 00:45:48.300
I know it crashes.

750
00:45:48.360 --> 00:45:51.119
I was convinced this time. imagine the 1st time I watched this.

751
00:45:51.179 --> 00:45:52.139
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

752
00:45:52.139 --> 00:45:55.619
I probably was thinking, oh, well, that's a nice easy out to the episode.

753
00:45:55.679 --> 00:45:56.340
Well, there you go.

754
00:45:56.400 --> 00:45:57.659
Oh, shit in hell.

755
00:45:57.719 --> 00:46:05.880
No, this is a show about people solving space problems, you know, and we know that the ship isn't destroyed because it's on next week.

756
00:46:05.940 --> 00:46:09.059
You know, so we know that it's fair.

757
00:46:09.119 --> 00:46:11.099
We're 35 minutes into the episode.

758
00:46:11.159 --> 00:46:16.380
It's just late enough that you might think, actually, that's the end and we'll do some talking.

759
00:46:16.440 --> 00:46:18.119
Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.

760
00:46:18.179 --> 00:46:18.659
Exactly.

761
00:46:19.920 --> 00:46:24.239
Maybe it's probably a bit slow moving on seven.

762
00:46:24.300 --> 00:46:27.360
She's like, I'm receiving a message, you know, from my husband class.

763
00:46:27.420 --> 00:46:27.780
Yeah.

764
00:46:27.780 --> 00:46:30.179
Coming from Harry Kim.

765
00:46:30.300 --> 00:46:31.739
Harry, what are you doing?

766
00:46:31.860 --> 00:46:35.099
And so now, instead of being separated by ad breaks.

767
00:46:35.159 --> 00:46:38.099
We just cutting between one end of this and the other.

768
00:46:38.159 --> 00:46:38.880
It's terrific.

769
00:46:38.940 --> 00:46:41.519
But you have to do this with momentum, right?

770
00:46:41.579 --> 00:46:42.420
It has to flow.

771
00:46:42.480 --> 00:46:43.559
It has to build.

772
00:46:43.679 --> 00:46:48.000
It's building up to that massive set piece of the ship crashing.

773
00:46:48.119 --> 00:46:54.780
Yeah, I think Lavar really shows he can, he can stagger these scenes together.

774
00:46:54.960 --> 00:47:03.239
And the scenes in the holodeck earlier where they're doing the simulation now tells us how to understand what's happening.

775
00:47:03.300 --> 00:47:06.300
The moment that they say the phase variance is increasing.

776
00:47:06.360 --> 00:47:07.019
We know that that's it.

777
00:47:07.079 --> 00:47:07.739
There's a disaster.

778
00:47:07.800 --> 00:47:09.239
There's no escape from it.

779
00:47:09.300 --> 00:47:10.019
It crushes.

780
00:47:10.079 --> 00:47:13.320
These ship crashes are always so shit because I don't feel like they mean anything.

781
00:47:13.380 --> 00:47:14.940
I don't know why this one.

782
00:47:15.000 --> 00:47:20.880
I just felt sick to my car knowing...

783
00:47:20.940 --> 00:47:24.420
So there's no look on that shot on Harry's face.

784
00:47:24.480 --> 00:47:25.260
Yeah, yeah.

785
00:47:25.320 --> 00:47:26.460
Oh my goodness.

786
00:47:26.519 --> 00:47:28.739
And he's just allowed to act it.

787
00:47:28.800 --> 00:47:33.900
And then the shit turns towards the camera and you're like, oh dear, it's going down.

788
00:47:34.019 --> 00:47:37.139
And there's several different shots.

789
00:47:37.199 --> 00:47:38.280
It's not just one shot.

790
00:47:38.400 --> 00:47:42.360
I love the line, not exactly how I want to cross the finishing line.

791
00:47:42.420 --> 00:47:43.679
Great line.

792
00:47:43.739 --> 00:47:44.820
Yeah.

793
00:47:44.880 --> 00:47:47.940
I mean, Kate can always deliver those.

794
00:47:48.000 --> 00:47:48.659
Oh, yeah, yeah.

795
00:47:48.719 --> 00:47:49.679
Yeah, yeah.

796
00:47:49.739 --> 00:47:51.539
Yeah. do you know what?

797
00:47:51.599 --> 00:47:56.639
It actually did make me think, because I always used to complain how come this DS9 had such great battle scenes.

798
00:47:56.699 --> 00:48:04.739
Sometimes they spent the money on Voyager in a very different sort of a way, and this time they spent it absolutely brilliantly.

799
00:48:04.800 --> 00:48:05.519
It's so good.

800
00:48:05.579 --> 00:48:07.619
And so some of these...

801
00:48:07.739 --> 00:48:08.639
Oh my gosh.

802
00:48:08.699 --> 00:48:09.179
Yeah.

803
00:48:09.239 --> 00:48:13.980
And so some of those elements are like baking powder, like they're not computer generated.

804
00:48:14.039 --> 00:48:16.260
There's real physical elements there.

805
00:48:17.340 --> 00:48:19.500
Oh, God.

806
00:48:19.559 --> 00:48:20.760
It's coming right towards me.

807
00:48:20.820 --> 00:48:21.780
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

808
00:48:21.840 --> 00:48:23.219
It's so visceral.

809
00:48:23.280 --> 00:48:23.820
It's so good.

810
00:48:24.059 --> 00:48:29.340
Because, you know, the Enterprise D sort of gradually goes past the trees and stuff.

811
00:48:29.519 --> 00:48:31.500
Effort, doesn't it?

812
00:48:31.559 --> 00:48:32.280
Yeah, yeah.

813
00:48:32.340 --> 00:48:35.760
Whereas that, there's several different shots from different angles.

814
00:48:35.760 --> 00:48:46.500
And now this, this is where all of that male, all of that sort of masculine defence, all the flippantness, all of the kind of refusal to pretend to give a shit.

815
00:48:46.559 --> 00:48:51.360
All of the cynicism goes away and he's just our Harry again for a second.

816
00:48:51.900 --> 00:48:53.579
However...

817
00:48:53.639 --> 00:48:54.539
I just think it's well done.

818
00:48:54.599 --> 00:49:03.119
Well, look, I actually think that that scene, the problem with that scene is that it's solved by everyone kind of just budding horns, like the doctor yells at him.

819
00:49:03.179 --> 00:49:05.940
Oh, I heard a problem with that, sort of thing.

820
00:49:06.179 --> 00:49:06.960
He has a ceiling.

821
00:49:07.139 --> 00:49:09.059
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

822
00:49:09.119 --> 00:49:27.480
But I don't think the ceiling, I don't think that 1st line of his where he says, like, I think, like, he's given too much to say, he's given too much to explain, um, because we know how he feels, and he just, but we need to see him collapse and be our Harry again, and be vulnerable.

823
00:49:27.539 --> 00:49:30.119
Don't need all of those...

824
00:49:30.179 --> 00:49:32.340
That is our voyage of failing again.

825
00:49:32.519 --> 00:49:36.300
They think screaming loudly equals drama.

826
00:49:36.360 --> 00:49:37.800
Yeah, they do a bit.

827
00:49:37.860 --> 00:49:42.059
I mean, it is a kind of Star Trek failure mode a little bit as well.

828
00:49:42.119 --> 00:49:45.000
It is a sort of thing that Star Trek does generally.

829
00:49:45.480 --> 00:49:47.699
And he's not there yet.

830
00:49:47.760 --> 00:49:49.980
Sure, he still looks pulling it together.

831
00:49:50.519 --> 00:49:52.380
He's a beautiful man.

832
00:49:52.440 --> 00:49:53.280
Yeah, yeah.

833
00:49:53.280 --> 00:49:55.980
Oh, look at that fabulous shot there from underneath.

834
00:49:56.039 --> 00:49:56.639
Wonderful.

835
00:49:56.699 --> 00:50:00.960
I want you to take the Enterprise for the challenger.

836
00:50:01.019 --> 00:50:01.500
Yeah.

837
00:50:01.559 --> 00:50:03.539
Basically, we end the price, though, right?

838
00:50:03.599 --> 00:50:04.800
Just with the challenge I slapped on it.

839
00:50:04.860 --> 00:50:07.440
But I love that it's called the Challenger.

840
00:50:07.500 --> 00:50:11.280
Like it's named after the space shuttle that exploded in 86.

841
00:50:11.579 --> 00:50:19.079
Um, and so this is where he loses it, like he's tried, and it's it's not here.

842
00:50:19.139 --> 00:50:20.039
Like, it's not here.

843
00:50:20.099 --> 00:50:22.619
Like, he just says one line.

844
00:50:22.679 --> 00:50:24.119
This way he's a...

845
00:50:24.780 --> 00:50:26.579
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

846
00:50:26.639 --> 00:50:28.500
But it's because he's given 2 lines there.

847
00:50:28.559 --> 00:50:30.420
And then we solve it by yelling at him.

848
00:50:30.480 --> 00:50:31.980
And I don't think that's right.

849
00:50:32.039 --> 00:50:45.900
And I do think that the scene later where we instead we get Janeway, who cares about him and wants him to be okay, like, and that's what solves the problem for him in these time periods, we just all yell at each other.

850
00:50:45.960 --> 00:50:49.440
I said to you, Bob Picardo, and kiss him here.

851
00:50:49.559 --> 00:50:52.980
Like, it's like, this is how far you should go, all right?

852
00:50:53.039 --> 00:50:54.900
And then immediately Garrett brings it down.

853
00:50:54.960 --> 00:50:57.239
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

854
00:50:57.300 --> 00:50:57.719
I think so.

855
00:50:57.780 --> 00:51:01.079
Like, and I think Bob kind of, he's sort of saving the scene.

856
00:51:01.139 --> 00:51:04.500
I don't think this scene is as bad as you because I do expect kind of...

857
00:51:04.500 --> 00:51:07.019
This is an operatic...

858
00:51:07.079 --> 00:51:08.400
I killed them.

859
00:51:08.460 --> 00:51:10.500
Yeah, see, that's too much.

860
00:51:10.559 --> 00:51:15.360
But I do think that like he doesn't need to say that, but having him break down.

861
00:51:15.420 --> 00:51:27.119
Like having him actually, when he's been this, you know, has had his shields up the entire episode to have him break down and remind us that he is our Harry, I think, is the right choice.

862
00:51:27.239 --> 00:51:29.820
Which absolutely should happen after the crash, right?

863
00:51:29.880 --> 00:51:30.119
Right?

864
00:51:30.179 --> 00:51:31.739
Yeah, it's the right moment in the episode.

865
00:51:31.800 --> 00:51:32.159
Yeah.

866
00:51:32.280 --> 00:51:33.659
Yeah.

867
00:51:33.719 --> 00:51:36.000
And but just making us watch him do it again.

868
00:51:36.059 --> 00:51:43.920
So making us see him react in, in, in real time to that, that disaster is perfect.

869
00:51:43.980 --> 00:51:50.460
Having it narrated to us, seeing it in flashback, none of it works as well as this.

870
00:51:50.519 --> 00:51:57.780
And you see, I think too, that this scene would have worked better, the saying goodbye to Harry, and him smiling.

871
00:51:57.840 --> 00:52:01.320
He grabs it on... and they both sm at each other.

872
00:52:01.380 --> 00:52:17.340
If they hadn't been kind of just yelling at each other earlier, like if it had been warmer, if it had been brave enough to just be a little bit warmer and to allow the 2 men to, you know, show some proper grown up emotion other than aggression.

873
00:52:17.400 --> 00:52:18.539
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know.

874
00:52:18.599 --> 00:52:20.099
Oh, now we're doing it again.

875
00:52:20.159 --> 00:52:22.559
Oh, I'm receiving some information in my court.

876
00:52:22.559 --> 00:52:23.519
I see, you know.

877
00:52:23.639 --> 00:52:33.539
So I just think my head cannon, and I, like, we don't explain it, but I'm just assuming that he just sent the message like half a 2nd earlier than the previous message.

878
00:52:37.440 --> 00:52:39.360
And we had the line.

879
00:52:39.420 --> 00:52:42.659
We had the line that says, the past is still there.

880
00:52:42.719 --> 00:52:44.219
It's not going anywhere.

881
00:52:44.280 --> 00:52:46.980
Like, just send another message, which I just think is perfect.

882
00:52:47.099 --> 00:52:49.679
I'm very pleased. didn't go out at this point.

883
00:52:49.800 --> 00:52:51.300
It wasn't her best hair, was it?

884
00:52:54.000 --> 00:52:56.099
Oh, there we go.

885
00:52:56.400 --> 00:52:59.159
And it all sorted out.

886
00:52:59.219 --> 00:53:05.760
But what I love too is the 10 years that they don't make this a failure.

887
00:53:05.820 --> 00:53:11.280
Everyone doesn't look back disappointed that they had the chance to go home, but it didn't work.

888
00:53:11.340 --> 00:53:14.400
She does say you miscalculated, Harry.

889
00:53:14.460 --> 00:53:19.380
And I like that as a like a little dick because it is, it's not a kind thing to say.

890
00:53:19.440 --> 00:53:38.099
No, but but this too, and I don't think this gets quite sold properly enough, because who sent the message, I think it should be clear that the source of wonder is that someone intervened to save our lives, but because it's not super clear that they know that they would have died.

891
00:53:38.159 --> 00:53:40.019
Do you know what I mean at this point?

892
00:53:40.380 --> 00:53:43.380
That would have landed better, I think.

893
00:53:43.440 --> 00:53:49.500
If the mysterious message had come and somehow saved them and they knew about it.

894
00:53:49.559 --> 00:53:51.719
But this, so the warmth of it.

895
00:53:51.780 --> 00:53:53.519
Like, it's a success for Harry.

896
00:53:53.579 --> 00:53:56.099
You know, this wasn't the failure where he kills everyone.

897
00:53:56.159 --> 00:53:59.760
It's not even the failure where he gets their hopes up and they're dashed.

898
00:53:59.820 --> 00:54:02.820
It didn't quite work out, but they're 10 years closer to home.

899
00:54:02.880 --> 00:54:03.599
I think that's cool.

900
00:54:03.659 --> 00:54:05.880
I mean, we saw off knew that was going to happen, right?

901
00:54:05.940 --> 00:54:10.679
We weren't going to have the rest of Voyager on that icy ship with half the crew did.

902
00:54:10.739 --> 00:54:13.320
It had to be a success for Harry.

903
00:54:13.380 --> 00:54:19.619
But it could have been, oh, well, it didn't work and everyone was very disappointed.

904
00:54:19.739 --> 00:54:21.900
We didn't have to have that 10 years.

905
00:54:21.960 --> 00:54:23.340
Instead it worked.

906
00:54:23.400 --> 00:54:24.539
They got 10 years ago.

907
00:54:24.599 --> 00:54:27.000
I think this message at the end is so perfect.

908
00:54:27.420 --> 00:54:34.500
There's just never any emotional consequences in these rewrite episodes, these big red button episodes.

909
00:54:34.559 --> 00:54:36.780
And it's so sweet.

910
00:54:36.900 --> 00:54:46.079
We see in microcosm what happens to the other Harry, because Harry is here thinking about the fact, because he knows that he sent the wrong message.

911
00:54:46.139 --> 00:54:51.480
He knows that if they had listened to him instead of seven, he would have killed them all.

912
00:54:51.539 --> 00:54:55.679
So he knows that he'd made a very bad mistake that nearly killed everyone.

913
00:54:55.739 --> 00:54:59.340
And then Harry from the future comes along and fixes it.

914
00:54:59.400 --> 00:55:00.960
Are they telling us this?

915
00:55:01.019 --> 00:55:03.659
We know everything she's saying right now.

916
00:55:03.719 --> 00:55:05.519
The 2nd we see the bloody message.

917
00:55:05.579 --> 00:55:06.900
We know it's him from the future.

918
00:55:07.199 --> 00:55:08.579
Yeah.

919
00:55:08.579 --> 00:55:09.119
Yeah.

920
00:55:09.179 --> 00:55:09.960
I can't, they?

921
00:55:09.960 --> 00:55:13.320
I know, I know, I know.

922
00:55:13.380 --> 00:55:14.159
Yeah.

923
00:55:14.219 --> 00:55:15.960
I know I'm being picky.

924
00:55:16.019 --> 00:55:19.440
I know I'm being picky, but it is the flaws we normally point out.

925
00:55:19.559 --> 00:55:21.000
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

926
00:55:21.059 --> 00:55:22.980
But because there's so much good here.

927
00:55:23.039 --> 00:55:31.619
And I even like, I even like this conversation about temporal paradoxes coming in a Braga episode where it's just like, yeah, try not to think about it too much.

928
00:55:31.679 --> 00:55:32.159
It's fine.

929
00:55:33.179 --> 00:55:35.760
I and I love...

930
00:55:35.820 --> 00:55:40.440
I do love the fact that they are pushed forward 10 years, that there is a positive consequence to all of that.

931
00:55:40.500 --> 00:55:40.920
That's right.

932
00:55:40.920 --> 00:55:44.400
But I just wish this is another Voyager problem.

933
00:55:44.460 --> 00:55:46.260
That doesn't impact anything else after this.

934
00:55:46.320 --> 00:55:47.880
It means nothing at all.

935
00:55:47.940 --> 00:55:50.400
It's just means something to this episode and that's it.

936
00:55:50.460 --> 00:56:01.139
But see what that scene did just then, which is Kate, which is Catherine saying to him, it doesn't matter what the time paradox is.

937
00:56:01.199 --> 00:56:06.719
All that matters is that somehow at some point in the future you came through for us.

938
00:56:06.780 --> 00:56:11.460
And so this is a story not about how Harry failed and nearly killed them all.

939
00:56:11.519 --> 00:56:19.260
It's about how they saved them and saved them from her decision and got them closer to home.

940
00:56:19.320 --> 00:56:21.059
The way she looks at him.

941
00:56:21.119 --> 00:56:22.559
Oh, I know.

942
00:56:22.619 --> 00:56:23.280
I know.

943
00:56:23.340 --> 00:56:24.300
Oh boy.

944
00:56:24.360 --> 00:56:28.019
She was just looking and then a little smile just graced her lips.

945
00:56:28.079 --> 00:56:30.360
She just adored it.

946
00:56:30.420 --> 00:56:33.000
But that's actor to actor as well as characters.

947
00:56:33.059 --> 00:56:34.920
Why didn't we get more of that?

948
00:56:34.980 --> 00:56:36.480
We needed more of that.

949
00:56:36.659 --> 00:56:41.159
Yeah, it's they always bang on about the fact that they're a family.

950
00:56:41.219 --> 00:56:42.900
I don't know why they didn't show us more fun.

951
00:56:43.440 --> 00:56:46.800
Garrett's tearing up here a little bit.

952
00:56:47.159 --> 00:56:50.579
He must have been so happy to get this episode.

953
00:56:50.639 --> 00:56:51.840
Yeah, yeah.

954
00:56:51.900 --> 00:56:53.219
He's so good in it.

955
00:56:53.280 --> 00:56:54.179
Like he's really good.

956
00:56:54.239 --> 00:56:57.000
Yes, Mr Kim, your assistance, please.

957
00:56:57.059 --> 00:56:59.039
Do you remember the other Harry Kim episodes?

958
00:56:59.099 --> 00:57:04.500
the one where he's convinced he gets an SCD, the one where...

959
00:57:04.559 --> 00:57:07.559
Yeah, they're just terrible episodes.

960
00:57:08.099 --> 00:57:10.559
Bravo, Voyager.

961
00:57:10.619 --> 00:57:11.940
Absolutely.

962
00:57:12.000 --> 00:57:12.659
Bravo.

963
00:57:12.719 --> 00:57:13.739
Absolutely superb.

964
00:57:13.800 --> 00:57:15.480
That's like, like, you know what?

965
00:57:15.539 --> 00:57:16.920
I was picky.

966
00:57:16.980 --> 00:57:18.539
I'd still give that 10 out of 10.

967
00:57:18.780 --> 00:57:24.840
I just think that is Voyager doing everything that it can do to such a high standard.

968
00:57:24.900 --> 00:57:27.840
Oh, it's top tier Star Trek, just generally, I think.

969
00:57:27.900 --> 00:57:30.719
You know, like just a really excellent Star Trek episode.

970
00:57:30.780 --> 00:57:42.119
Even the things we usually always complain about, the execution, even that, they were like, no, let's go above and beyond in this episode because it's something special.

971
00:57:42.179 --> 00:57:45.900
And just a decision to give it to Garra.

972
00:57:45.960 --> 00:57:51.059
It's unusual, but it paid off in space, you know.

973
00:57:51.119 --> 00:57:53.460
And I think that's what kind of makes it unusual, right?

974
00:57:53.519 --> 00:57:58.019
If that had been about Janeway, it would have just been another great Janeway episode, you know?

975
00:57:58.079 --> 00:58:01.139
as we will see at the end of series.

976
00:58:02.159 --> 00:58:06.360
I don't know that that's that's a great Janeway episode.

977
00:58:06.420 --> 00:58:07.500
It's all right.

978
00:58:07.860 --> 00:58:09.239
Yeah.

979
00:58:09.300 --> 00:58:15.900
But it's the 1st, like, massive win, and there's a couple of good episodes before this in season five.

980
00:58:15.960 --> 00:58:19.980
It's the 1st of quite a few huge wins.

981
00:58:20.039 --> 00:58:23.159
I mean, latent image, brighter Chaotica.

982
00:58:23.219 --> 00:58:27.059
I know you threw shade on it the other day, but I love relativity.

983
00:58:27.119 --> 00:58:30.059
1159. someone to watch over me.

984
00:58:30.119 --> 00:58:31.679
They really would.

985
00:58:31.739 --> 00:58:34.139
I mean, there's still the trilogy of terror here.

986
00:58:34.199 --> 00:58:38.099
You get the fight, the disease and course oblivion back to back.

987
00:58:38.159 --> 00:58:40.079
So, you know what?

988
00:58:40.139 --> 00:58:41.159
It's still Voyager.

989
00:58:41.219 --> 00:58:45.960
But this really was empiring on all cylinders, I think. 4 and five.

990
00:58:46.019 --> 00:58:48.900
I think they there was something in the air.

991
00:58:49.079 --> 00:58:55.380
That didn't last long, but you know, bloody hell, take it in while it's there because it's pretty glorious.

992
00:59:04.440 --> 00:59:10.019
Alright, it's the end of the episode, and it's time for us to find out where we're going next.

993
00:59:10.079 --> 00:59:19.920
This excellent choice was mine, and so it's time for me to hand the reins of the randomiser over to you, uh, in order to what, ruin it, I guess.

994
00:59:19.980 --> 00:59:21.960
I don't know what's going on.

995
00:59:22.019 --> 00:59:29.219
What's the time in on Star Trek project where pretty much every choice you ever made was a complete dog of an episode.

996
00:59:29.280 --> 00:59:33.659
And I chose all the bangers and now we've totally reverse positions.

997
00:59:33.719 --> 00:59:34.559
I'm swapped.

998
00:59:34.619 --> 00:59:36.360
What happened to do it?

999
00:59:36.420 --> 00:59:40.139
You put me just in the mood for great 90s trek.

1000
00:59:40.199 --> 00:59:40.559
Okay?

1001
00:59:40.619 --> 00:59:41.579
Okay, good.

1002
00:59:41.639 --> 00:59:54.719
And because you have handed me the wonderful gift of being able to select the seasons that I want to choose as well as the series, I am going straight to my favourite season of Dick Space 9.

1003
00:59:54.780 --> 00:59:56.219
Season five.

1004
00:59:56.280 --> 00:59:57.840
Season five.

1005
00:59:57.900 --> 00:59:58.500
Come on.

1006
00:59:58.980 --> 01:00:00.059
Please don't give me.

1007
01:00:00.119 --> 01:00:00.659
Oh, God.

1008
01:00:00.719 --> 01:00:02.699
Let him is without sin or something.

1009
01:00:02.760 --> 01:00:04.800
Oh, I want to say that, though.

1010
01:00:06.000 --> 01:00:08.639
Here we go.

1011
01:00:09.840 --> 01:00:17.460
Ooh, your random Star Trek D Space 9 episode is season five, episode 16.

1012
01:00:17.699 --> 01:00:20.159
Dr. Bashir, I presume?

1013
01:00:20.760 --> 01:00:24.840
It is Bob Picardo.

1014
01:00:24.960 --> 01:00:29.280
Romancing Chase Masterson.

1015
01:00:29.340 --> 01:00:29.760
Oh wow.

1016
01:00:29.820 --> 01:00:30.659
Okay.

1017
01:00:30.719 --> 01:00:33.719
Oh, it's Louis Imerman. not the doctor.

1018
01:00:33.780 --> 01:00:34.800
It, not the AMH.

1019
01:00:34.860 --> 01:00:36.000
It's Dr. Zimmerman.

1020
01:00:36.059 --> 01:00:49.199
There's a really great scene where you've got Bashir and the Bashir MH and Zimmerman and the EMH all in the scene together and they're all in. am I being replaced?

1021
01:00:49.320 --> 01:00:50.940
Goes the EMH.

1022
01:00:51.000 --> 01:00:52.559
No, I'm sorry.

1023
01:00:52.559 --> 01:00:55.500
I do really want to watch that as well, but I'm going to press it again.

1024
01:00:55.559 --> 01:00:57.480
I think I can get better than that, you know.

1025
01:00:57.539 --> 01:00:58.079
All right.

1026
01:00:58.139 --> 01:00:58.440
Okay.

1027
01:00:58.440 --> 01:00:59.280
I hope.

1028
01:00:59.460 --> 01:01:00.000
Oh, God.

1029
01:01:00.000 --> 01:01:01.079
Oh.

1030
01:01:01.139 --> 01:01:02.159
What the hell?

1031
01:01:02.219 --> 01:01:05.579
Oh, Empoc Noor, which we have already done.

1032
01:01:05.639 --> 01:01:06.599
You've done that already.

1033
01:01:07.199 --> 01:01:10.559
Oh, episode eight, things passed.

1034
01:01:10.619 --> 01:01:13.199
The sequel to Necessary Evil.

1035
01:01:13.739 --> 01:01:15.119
Okay.

1036
01:01:15.179 --> 01:01:18.960
That I mean, that's as good as Levar again. is very atmospheric.

1037
01:01:19.019 --> 01:01:19.320
Okay.

1038
01:01:19.320 --> 01:01:21.360
But I don't want to do that one.

1039
01:01:21.420 --> 01:01:21.659
No.

1040
01:01:21.719 --> 01:01:24.360
Season five, episode 12, the begotten.

1041
01:01:24.420 --> 01:01:33.300
That's the one where Kira gives birth to the baby and Keiko says, you can come in as long as you both behave.

1042
01:01:33.360 --> 01:01:35.280
Shakar and O'Brien.

1043
01:01:35.340 --> 01:01:36.300
Oh, it's terrible.

1044
01:01:36.360 --> 01:01:36.840
Oh my god.

1045
01:01:36.900 --> 01:01:40.199
It's like all these sitcom antics where they try and go through the door at the same time.

1046
01:01:40.260 --> 01:01:41.280
It's really very bad.

1047
01:01:41.340 --> 01:01:43.440
That sounds great. keep going.

1048
01:01:43.500 --> 01:01:44.760
That's exactly what I actually need to do.

1049
01:01:44.820 --> 01:01:47.519
So can you tell I'm trying to find a particular episode?

1050
01:01:47.579 --> 01:01:49.139
Oh my god.

1051
01:01:49.199 --> 01:01:50.219
I get it.

1052
01:01:50.219 --> 01:01:51.780
Let him move without saying.

1053
01:01:51.840 --> 01:01:58.800
If let him who is without sin comes up, you have to do it, you have to abandon the search for this episode.

1054
01:01:58.860 --> 01:02:00.119
Okay.

1055
01:02:00.179 --> 01:02:01.860
Well, if you have to.

1056
01:02:01.980 --> 01:02:04.440
I finally found the episode.

1057
01:02:04.500 --> 01:02:05.219
I was going for.

1058
01:02:05.280 --> 01:02:05.699
Yes.

1059
01:02:05.760 --> 01:02:08.940
Okay, I mean, you're the one that's allowed this, all right.

1060
01:02:09.000 --> 01:02:10.800
But allowed me to select the season.

1061
01:02:10.860 --> 01:02:13.440
I can just keep pressing until I find something I fancy.

1062
01:02:13.500 --> 01:02:16.679
Well, or until we get bored or embarrassed by the whole rose.

1063
01:02:16.800 --> 01:02:17.579
Are you embarrassed yet?

1064
01:02:17.639 --> 01:02:18.420
Bit.

1065
01:02:18.480 --> 01:02:19.079
Okay.

1066
01:02:19.139 --> 01:02:21.960
I don't know if you'll be embarrassed when we've watched this one though.

1067
01:02:22.199 --> 01:02:24.539
I may have broken my curves.

1068
01:02:24.599 --> 01:02:29.639
Season five, episode six. trials and tribulations.

1069
01:02:29.699 --> 01:02:30.599
Yeah.

1070
01:02:30.659 --> 01:02:32.579
Oh, wonderful.

1071
01:02:33.480 --> 01:02:35.039
Come on.

1072
01:02:35.039 --> 01:02:36.659
I really wanted to watch it.

1073
01:02:36.719 --> 01:02:38.460
It's gonna keep pressing.

1074
01:02:38.519 --> 01:02:50.760
So this, of course, is season five, episode six, and we have, of course, just watched series five, episode 6 of Voyager as well.

1075
01:02:50.820 --> 01:02:52.380
Oh, shit, we have.

1076
01:02:52.440 --> 01:02:54.000
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1077
01:02:54.059 --> 01:02:56.760
So I think it's absolutely...

1078
01:02:56.760 --> 01:02:58.019
Which one's going to win?

1079
01:02:58.079 --> 01:03:00.420
out of the 2 of them because they're both bangers.

1080
01:03:00.480 --> 01:03:02.340
They're both really great, aren't they?

1081
01:03:02.340 --> 01:03:03.360
For completely different reasons.

1082
01:03:03.420 --> 01:03:05.340
Oh, yeah, no, we haven't do that.

1083
01:03:05.400 --> 01:03:09.059
Boy, you put a bomb in a triple in Cisco.

1084
01:03:09.119 --> 01:03:14.639
Tell me, Nathan, do they still sing songs of the great triple hump?

1085
01:03:16.739 --> 01:03:20.940
I mean, I think regardless of anything, we'll have a lot of fun with this.

1086
01:03:21.000 --> 01:03:22.440
It's brilliant.

1087
01:03:22.500 --> 01:03:23.099
It's superb.

1088
01:03:23.159 --> 01:03:24.539
It's one of my favourites.

1089
01:03:24.539 --> 01:03:27.239
Delivering his love letter to the original series.

1090
01:03:27.300 --> 01:03:28.739
Yeah, yeah.

1091
01:03:28.800 --> 01:03:30.480
Terry Farrell in that uniform.

1092
01:03:30.539 --> 01:03:31.739
I mean Jesus Christ.

1093
01:03:31.800 --> 01:03:32.820
Beautiful.

1094
01:03:33.000 --> 01:03:35.159
I'll just say one thing.

1095
01:03:35.340 --> 01:03:39.659
Do you remember this whole scene in Turbolift with Bashir?

1096
01:03:39.719 --> 01:03:40.079
Was it?

1097
01:03:40.139 --> 01:03:42.840
Maybe I'm supposed to go and meet her.

1098
01:03:42.900 --> 01:03:46.380
I've become my own going bang, my grandmother.

1099
01:03:49.440 --> 01:03:52.500
Now, that's a joke that Brannan would never write, all right?

1100
01:03:53.159 --> 01:03:54.840
He might.

1101
01:03:54.960 --> 01:04:04.920
Now, I realise I basically manipulated an abused randomiser there to find something that I had pre-selected to watch.

1102
01:04:05.099 --> 01:04:07.260
It wouldn't be the 1st time.

1103
01:04:07.320 --> 01:04:11.579
I mean, we did watch kids these days a few weeks ago.

1104
01:04:11.639 --> 01:04:13.139
The 1st Strange New Worlds episode.

1105
01:04:13.199 --> 01:04:15.000
The Stranger Worlds episode, yeah.

1106
01:04:15.059 --> 01:04:16.019
It has happened before.

1107
01:04:16.079 --> 01:04:19.380
And I don't think anyone can really complain with us talking about this.

1108
01:04:19.440 --> 01:04:22.320
I don't think so Okay, let's do it.

1109
01:04:22.380 --> 01:04:46.139
Well, to station K7 we go again. again You've been listening to entitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford and Nathan Bottomley, where online at untitled Star Trek Project.com, where you can find subscription links and links to our social media accounts.

1110
01:04:46.199 --> 01:04:50.760
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Ciceran, and the theme was composed by Cameron Lamb.

1111
01:04:50.820 --> 01:04:56.219
This episode was recorded on the 31st of March 2026 and released on the 3rd of April.

1112
01:04:56.280 --> 01:05:01.380
We'll see you next time for Star Trek Deep Space 9, trials and tribulations.

1113
01:05:19.440 --> 01:05:21.599
Oh, sorry, I know that was a bit in Norway.

1114
01:05:22.199 --> 01:05:23.880
Oh, you wanted to leave.

1115
01:05:23.940 --> 01:05:31.199
I'm really tempted to use the same photo that I used for...

1116
01:05:31.260 --> 01:05:42.780
Astro. trolls. kind of chest deep in shribbles, you know, with, and now that we know that it was Dax and Cisco throwing them.

1117
01:05:43.079 --> 01:05:47.219
She's just going like this over her shoulder.

1118
01:05:47.219 --> 01:05:48.000
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1119
01:05:48.059 --> 01:05:51.239
And then we cut and they're they're single ones for, yeah.

1120
01:05:51.480 --> 01:05:52.079
Do you know what I mean?

1121
01:05:52.199 --> 01:05:55.500
Like they've clearly gone, oh, maybe we could have maybe...

1122
01:05:55.559 --> 01:06:03.480
I be interested to see how the matting holds up with them in the other scenes or whether it's just like terrible.

1123
01:06:03.599 --> 01:06:07.739
There's one or 2 that are a bit terrible, I have to say.

1124
01:06:08.099 --> 01:06:15.420
The one I always remember has been not too bad is them in the corridor where they replace that guy.

1125
01:06:15.480 --> 01:06:18.300
I mean, we get to watch trouble tribles again.

1126
01:06:18.360 --> 01:06:19.500
That's going to be great.

1127
01:06:19.559 --> 01:06:20.519
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1128
01:06:20.579 --> 01:06:35.639
Now, the worst one is that they're in the kind of mess hall or whatever, and Cisco's sitting at the table and he's been replaced, and the camera's moving across, and it doesn't quite, like, that's probably the worst one.

1129
01:06:35.699 --> 01:06:37.679
I remember it being so funny.

1130
01:06:37.739 --> 01:06:39.780
Please be funny.

1131
01:06:39.840 --> 01:06:42.119
I haven't watched it for ages.

1132
01:06:42.119 --> 01:06:46.199
It's one of the ones that I have rewatched a bit because it is so good.

1133
01:06:46.260 --> 01:06:48.300
It's just so much fun.

1134
01:06:48.360 --> 01:06:50.579
What did I say to Wolf?

1135
01:06:50.639 --> 01:06:53.280
You've got an earthy PT aroma.

1136
01:06:53.340 --> 01:06:55.199
With just a touch of lilac.

1137
01:06:55.260 --> 01:06:56.280
Lilac.

1138
01:06:56.340 --> 01:06:57.539
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1139
01:06:57.900 --> 01:07:00.239
Oh, yeah, good.

1140
01:07:00.300 --> 01:07:03.119
Don't they drag the actor back on Darville?

1141
01:07:03.119 --> 01:07:04.139
It's the same man, isn't it?

1142
01:07:04.199 --> 01:07:04.920
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1143
01:07:04.980 --> 01:07:05.579
It's the same guy.

1144
01:07:05.639 --> 01:07:07.019
Yeah, yeah, yeah. playing Barry.

1145
01:07:07.079 --> 01:07:07.739
Is it Barry?

1146
01:07:07.860 --> 01:07:09.360
Yeah, okay.

1147
01:07:09.420 --> 01:07:14.039
Well, there you go. have a little run of great naughty Trex episodes before we head off somewhere else again.

1148
01:07:14.099 --> 01:07:15.000
Yeah, yeah, that's great.

1149
01:07:15.059 --> 01:07:15.900
That's free.

1150
01:07:15.960 --> 01:07:18.239
It's kind of like, oh, no, it isn't 3 because we hadn't.

1151
01:07:18.239 --> 01:07:18.900
What was before this?

1152
01:07:19.380 --> 01:07:21.300
Oh, no, we did the TOS one, didn't we?

1153
01:07:21.360 --> 01:07:23.039
shockingly bad one.

1154
01:07:23.099 --> 01:07:24.840
What was the last TNG one we did?

1155
01:07:25.260 --> 01:07:26.820
Hang on.

1156
01:07:26.880 --> 01:07:28.260
Oh, mate, I'm here on the site.

1157
01:07:28.320 --> 01:07:28.860
I can just look.

1158
01:07:32.400 --> 01:07:35.280
Uh, Rob Ross, homecoming.

1159
01:07:35.400 --> 01:07:36.960
Oh, devil's Jew.

1160
01:07:37.019 --> 01:07:37.800
Jesus Christ.

1161
01:07:37.860 --> 01:07:39.480
Oh, that was awesome.

1162
01:07:39.539 --> 01:07:40.980
Devil's Jew's great.

1163
01:07:41.039 --> 01:07:42.480
See, I was so right.

1164
01:07:42.539 --> 01:07:43.380
I was right about that.

1165
01:07:43.440 --> 01:07:45.780
Just scroll down a little bit.

1166
01:07:45.840 --> 01:07:48.780
Oh, God, we did fury before.

1167
01:07:48.840 --> 01:07:50.519
That was the last night's stroke before.

1168
01:07:51.000 --> 01:07:53.159
Oh, where the warrior?

1169
01:07:53.219 --> 01:07:54.059
Yeah, banger.

1170
01:07:54.480 --> 01:07:56.340
Thank you, Charles.

1171
01:07:57.420 --> 01:08:00.900
Yeah, Memorial, which we quite liked.

1172
01:08:00.960 --> 01:08:02.820
Oh, best of both of us.

1173
01:08:02.820 --> 01:08:05.099
We've done some pretty big ones lately.

1174
01:08:05.159 --> 01:08:08.400
We're going to have to start doing the sort of mediocre ones, aren't we?

1175
01:08:08.460 --> 01:08:10.139
Yeah, the Royale.

1176
01:08:10.139 --> 01:08:11.519
Twisted.

1177
01:08:11.639 --> 01:08:14.219
Oh, they're terrible.

1178
01:08:14.280 --> 01:08:17.340
Resurrection, you know, with mirror barile.

1179
01:08:17.399 --> 01:08:18.539
Oh my god.

1180
01:08:18.600 --> 01:08:19.319
Terrible.

1181
01:08:19.380 --> 01:08:23.039
Oh, there's Renee out of makeup for Oasis.

1182
01:08:23.100 --> 01:08:24.000
Oh, look at that.

1183
01:08:24.060 --> 01:08:25.560
Oh, these are the ones you do when you was here.

1184
01:08:25.619 --> 01:08:26.279
Field of Fire.

1185
01:08:26.340 --> 01:08:27.479
Hedgeon and me.

1186
01:08:27.600 --> 01:08:29.220
Arena.

1187
01:08:29.640 --> 01:08:32.279
Did we do make it now when you was here?

1188
01:08:32.340 --> 01:08:33.119
Was it afterwards?

1189
01:08:33.239 --> 01:08:34.979
No, you gone.

1190
01:08:35.039 --> 01:08:36.180
I think you'd gone then, didn't you?

1191
01:08:36.239 --> 01:08:36.720
Yeah.

1192
01:08:36.840 --> 01:08:37.920
Well, I can't remember.

1193
01:08:37.979 --> 01:08:38.640
Did we do?

1194
01:08:38.760 --> 01:08:39.960
Did we do the gone one together?

1195
01:08:40.020 --> 01:08:40.260
We did.

1196
01:08:40.319 --> 01:08:41.579
Yeah, we did.

1197
01:08:41.640 --> 01:08:42.840
We did all the gone ones together.

1198
01:08:42.899 --> 01:08:44.520
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1199
01:08:44.579 --> 01:08:48.840
And we watched the other gore episode where the blue man burst.

1200
01:08:48.899 --> 01:08:51.119
The last time, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1201
01:08:51.180 --> 01:08:53.760
All those who glister.

1202
01:08:53.819 --> 01:08:56.220
They're going to have to give us some more corn episodes.

1203
01:08:56.279 --> 01:08:57.779
We did it for the next time, though.

1204
01:08:57.840 --> 01:08:58.560
Otherwise.

1205
01:08:58.619 --> 01:09:03.479
Yeah, we didn't record that one because the only one we recorded the 1st time I came over was some justice.

1206
01:09:03.600 --> 01:09:05.279
Oh, subspace rafters.

1207
01:09:05.340 --> 01:09:06.180
Oh, Dragon's teeth.

1208
01:09:06.239 --> 01:09:07.619
That was a bit average, wasn't it?

1209
01:09:07.680 --> 01:09:10.739
To the deaf, we were a bit so so on that.

1210
01:09:10.800 --> 01:09:11.640
We quite liked it.

1211
01:09:11.699 --> 01:09:12.720
Forsaken.

1212
01:09:12.779 --> 01:09:14.220
Oh, tapestry.

1213
01:09:14.279 --> 01:09:15.119
Oh, Atlas.

1214
01:09:15.180 --> 01:09:15.659
God.

1215
01:09:16.380 --> 01:09:18.960
It's a lottery, isn't it, this?

1216
01:09:19.439 --> 01:09:24.119
Oh, look, we did, we did do context is for Kings.

1217
01:09:25.680 --> 01:09:40.560
I realised that we were so out of sync with the sort of standard Star Trek fan when I picked up the Gross and Altman, you know, the 2 experts around all the sort of Star Trek review books.

1218
01:09:40.560 --> 01:09:43.020
It sort of came out in the 90s.

1219
01:09:43.079 --> 01:09:48.060
They were sort of the big Star Trek reviewers, Edwin Gross and Mark Altman.

1220
01:09:48.119 --> 01:10:01.079
And I'd sort of opened up and then they were given the empath 3.5 stars out of 4 and I was giving um, the turd monster one, Savage Curtain, that was getting like 3 stars out of 4.

1221
01:10:01.199 --> 01:10:01.859
I'm like, 0 God.

1222
01:10:02.279 --> 01:10:06.239
You can't understand how people even think that's acceptable television.

1223
01:10:06.300 --> 01:10:07.680
Like how did it even air?

1224
01:10:07.739 --> 01:10:08.939
Like nothing happens.

1225
01:10:09.000 --> 01:10:11.039
I just think we learned.

1226
01:10:11.100 --> 01:10:13.979
We learned last week that time, not last week.

1227
01:10:14.039 --> 01:10:21.659
We learned that evil people, the difference between good and evil is that evil people run away at the end of the episode.

1228
01:10:21.960 --> 01:10:24.420
That was what we learned.

1229
01:10:24.479 --> 01:10:29.340
And smoking turds make bad television.

1230
01:10:29.399 --> 01:10:31.859
They do make bad television.

1231
01:10:31.920 --> 01:10:33.060
For other smoking tours.

1232
01:10:34.260 --> 01:10:35.880
So bad.

1233
01:10:35.939 --> 01:10:37.260
So terrible.