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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So, we are back, and today we are celebrating Voyager's 100th

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episode.

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It's series 5, episode 6, Timeless, and it's a teleplay by Brandon

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Braga and Joe Manosky, and a story by Berman and Braga and Joe

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Manosky.

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And I have to say that this is, for me, the best episode of

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Voyager that we have done so far.

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I don't disagree.

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I've also prepared a message for myself to send back into the

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past.

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When did we start our titled Star Trek project?

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Uh, I don't know, like 2021, I think.

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I'll send it back to the day that we recorded the episode on

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Course Oblivion and say, don't worry, Joe. In the future, the

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great things are coming with Voyager, okay?

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There's at least one banger that you're going to talk about in the

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future.

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I think on that day we needed the hope, you know?

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Yeah, yeah.

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God, this is great.

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And now I said to you last week when we did the picking of this

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episode, I said that this was great.

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And finally, we've reached the day where I'm telling the truth and

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you rewatched something and it's as good as you remember.

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Actually, it was better than I remember.

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Visually, emotionally, creatively, structurally.

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It was all on point.

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Performance wise, I was like, bugger me.

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There's some very often in voyage, you know, your worst things I

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just mentioned there. something's off.

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You know, one of those things are off very often that the stars

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are line and all those things where you come away going, that was

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an amazing hour of television.

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Here we are.

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Look, I remembered it.

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I remembered that very, very strong opening image of Voyager

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frozen under the ice. and I remember that being visually

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spectacular.

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I don't think I remembered the incredible shot of Voyager crashing

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which I think absolutely blew.

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Yeah, like a bit, but, but I mean, I think it's so much better

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than the sequence where the Enterprise D crashes in a feature film

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just a few years earlier.

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That reminded me.

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What's that?

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Generations.

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That reminded me of when Scorpio crashed in Blake Seven, you know

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going from the trees.

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Whereas here, it feels like a plane crash.

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The sound effects are so dramatic as it's coming in.

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But you know, I said to you, but I've seen this episode quite a

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few times.

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I've done a review about this episode on Doc I review.

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I know what happens in this episode.

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Watching it this time.

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I was convinced because of the way the episode was going halfway

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through.

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I was like, oh, okay, we needed the end of an episode.

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They're going to save the day.

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Seven's going to get the message.

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It's fine.

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Yeah, in the back of my head.

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I knew that ship crashed. so when it so when it all goes horribly

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wrong.

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I went, oh, God.

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Like, Jesus Christ.

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So there are a few things going on here that I think are all kind

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of working for the show.

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The 1st one is the strong visual.

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Like, I think the initial idea is Voyager frozen under the ice, and

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I think it's a really, really great image, and it's beautifully

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realised, like, it just looks incredible.

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That shot going into the opening credits, you know, the most

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important shot of the beginning of the episode.

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Here's what it's about.

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It's perfect.

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So good.

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So it's inside as well.

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Oh so impressively done.

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I will complain about there being no cold breath.

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But the actual, that I start voyager, because, you know, we always

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complain about how dark and dingy and gray those sets are.

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Good grief when they're slavered with ice, they look absolutely

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arresting.

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I think LeVar said that he had to send people in to then clean

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them up so that they could be available for the rest of the

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episode, which they must have shot later.

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Can we order 15 Henry Hoovers, please, to sort out the carpet?

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Thank you.

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So there's that, the visual thing, and then the visual of the

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crash, which again is absolutely spectacular.

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It's not quite feature film quality, but it's very nearly there.

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It's really, really good.

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The decision to have that in the cell hit the rock and burst

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because then you're like, fuck, they ain't getting out of this. at

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that point, you know.

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Yeah, well, and the fact, too, that that happens at a time when we

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know that they're all being killed.

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Like that that's a fatal crash that will kill everyone on board.

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Same the puppies.

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So we know what that means.

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And so it's so good and it skids straight into the camera and

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saves the outbreak.

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You know, you know how we said before?

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We like it when we're punched in the face when they thought this

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time, Voyagers, punching us in the face.

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It is amazing.

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So there's that.

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You've got a big telly, right, Nathan?

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Were you there going?

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Yeah, it was going towards you.

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So the other thing too is I think that it gives Garrett his best

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chance at bringing in a great performance.

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They saw him the previous year doing the performance that we

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remarked upon in the killing game, and they decided that they

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wanted to give him this episode on the strength of that.

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And this is intended to be a big event episode.

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It's the 100th episode, and they give it to Garrett, and he does a

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magnificently good job of it, I think.

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They hugely always give these episodes to K to Jerry and to Robert

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Picardo.

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They usually get the big episodes.

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I mean, before killing game.

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There was an amazing performance he gives in the shoe. the episode

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where him and Tom Paris are stuck on that prison.

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Well, okay.

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Oh, almost. gets a bit sexy.

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But again, his hair's all messy.

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He's all grimy and dirty and it's a very intense episode for him

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and it just baffles me how he had so few opportunities beyond

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those 3 episodes.

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I can't think of another time where they really push him like

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this.

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The 3rd thing that I get right.

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And I think there's other things they get right.

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I think they get the characterisation, right?

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I think the dialogue is really good.

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I think, you know, the fact that Garrett's the lead and he's the

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person who most wants to get home or most visibly wants to get

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home.

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He's the youngest.

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He's, you know, like he misses his mother.

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Like, all of her stuff are much such a great choice.

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It's so good.

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All everyone else loves him and wants him to succeed.

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Like, it's all really, really terrific.

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But then the other thing is just the way that the episode is

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structured and the way that it moves between the 2 time periods

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the way that it moves between what, 2390 and 2375.

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And the way that everything comes to head, the way that those 2

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time periods dovetail.

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And so we don't get to see Voyager crash in flashback.

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We get to see it happen as it happens and we get to see Harry

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destroy Voyager again for a 2nd time.

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And I just think that choice is so great.

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And I had the same experience as you.

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I thought, oh, so this is us working towards solving the problem

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and then we're going to...

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Before it crashes.

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So you're like, okay.

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And we're moving between the 2 time periods as that happens, we're

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sending the message from one time period to the other, he sends

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the message, she gets the message and it doesn't work and the ship

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crashes anyway.

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And I just think that's such a masterfully brilliant way of doing

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it.

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So the structure of the episode. making us wait until we truly

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understand the consequences of the crash because they could have

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done that at the end of act one.

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Maybe they give back too.

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It could have been the little teaser.

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It's 2/3 into the episode that we actually get the crash.

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So much so that I was convinced we weren't going to get it, even

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though I know I got it.

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The other thing this gets absolutely bang on.

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You know me.

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I have lots of complaints about Star Trek.

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God knows why I'll do this podcast.

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But I just hate techno Babble, right?

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And it was so simple.

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We've created a quantum slipscreen drive.

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Basically, we're going to make a big tunnel through space and get

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home nice and easily.

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Great.

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I can understand that.

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In the future, we're going to send a message to 7 of 9 via our

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implant to stop ourselves from doing that because it's so simple.

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It's so simply delivered that even a simpleton like me can

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understand what's happening.

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Thank you And it absolutely has to be that because everything

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everything is about Harry's feeling about having made this mistake

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and how it changes Harry.

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And like that's so well done and so well portrayed.

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So because this is a high concept Brannan Braga episode, but

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because it has a proper character thing going on and with a

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character who's neglected, but kind of well-established.

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Like, I just think it just lands in every way.

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It's so good.

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So one of the rare Voyager episodes that is utterly based on the

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premise of the show, which they don't do as often as you might

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think.

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They're far too busy doing TNG knockoffs.

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So it feels important.

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It has consequences at the end because they do move 10 years

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towards the out of a quadrant and that's a win after we've been

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through all this horror.

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And there was, I mean, there was even moments where they weren't

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using dialogue and allowing actors to express what's happening on

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the screen, which I'll talk about later in the episode, just on

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every level.

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I have one issue with this and we talked about this off, Mike, and

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that is, it really irritates me that all alternative universe

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versions of Voyager or, you know, things that are rewritten are

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always more interesting than our Voyager.

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Because I said to you at the end, oh, we're going back to our

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Boring Voyager episodes now.

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Oh, well, never mind.

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You know, Living Witness, more interesting than a hot version of

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Voyager.

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I mean, geez, even stuff like, you know, when they go back in time

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in futures end, more interesting than our usual Voyager.

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Like whenever they divert from the show and these boring space

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problems that they're nebulas and they go through.

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It's always so great.

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I don't understand.

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I don't understand how they can get it so right when they do

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something different and it's normally so kind of average.

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Yeah, well, I mean, here, though, the scenes in 2375, the scenes

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in the kind of Voyager episode that we tuned in to watch this

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week.

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They're great.

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And like everyone's really well characterised.

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Tom is really good in it.

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You know, and...

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No, he's really good.

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Like he's absolutely watchable and he's nice, like he's

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sympathetic and he's kind to Harry and and all of that stuff is

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really, really good.

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Like, I'm not cringing when he's he's on screen.

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It's unusual though, isn't it?

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Yeah.

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I just think I, like I just think everything goes right for them

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here and it's, it's spectacular.

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So I'll stop whinging about, well, you know, what this episode

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isn't, what Voyager normally is, and just enjoy it for the classic

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that it is.

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I think we should watch it, you know.

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I think we should.

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Great fun watching Robert Beltran slipping around in the ice.

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It's not much of a slip, but he tries.

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I organise in 5, 4, 3, 2, one, and we're off.

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So stock footage of... snow superimposed on it.

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Fabulous.

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No, but it's got a sort of epic sweep to it.

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Doesn't it?

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Yeah.

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Look, we could be opening in our usual cave set. all right.

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Well, I have to say too, this set, which is just very clearly a

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set, is not stock cave set number one.

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Oh, how do you know?

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Well, they've redressed it so that it's nearly unrecognisable.

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It looks great.

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Like it's properly good.

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It's clearly a set.

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It's clearly a set, but it is something different from what we

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normally see.

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Do you know what it reminded me of, Nathan?

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You remember in Star Trek 6 when it was out in the snow?

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And I was like, oh, yeah.

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Oh, God, every time we go out and the snow is great.

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Yeah, or the beginning of Strange New World. 1st episode.

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Well, the thing is, they've always got that cave set, and we know

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they're spending a bit of money, you know, because they've got to

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go to the effort of making it snow.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Oh, actually, those are clearly sort of steps there.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah.

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Like, it's not for a 2nd. are we not in the studio?

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Wait for Robert to slip in a minute. is great.

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I'm not sure which one it is.

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I can't tell.

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Maybe it was a real slit ice.

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Who knows?

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But this amazing shot in a minute, the pullback to Voyager under

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the ice.

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Oh boy.

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And we get dialogue.

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This is our 1st dialogue.

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And I think the plan had been to do the 1st act with no dialogue

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at all.

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And they don't quite do that.

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This pullback is just spectacular, like absolutely unforgettable.

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What a great shot.

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What a great horse.

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It's just enough that you can see NCC. like, oh, my God.

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Yeah, where you can hear. the registry number.

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Perfect.

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Just absolutely perfect.

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And it just, it feels bold already.

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It feels like this is gonna be a brave episode.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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It's terrific.

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And we don't go back to our Voyager until after the next act.

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So from here to the ad break, we're in, you know, what is it?

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What did I say?

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2390 for 15 years in the future.

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Yeah, yeah.

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I mean, I thought this whole 1st act as they're exploring the ship

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fighting the bodies. barely reacting to them at all.

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It's so haunting.

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Like, you know, It's exactly the fucking same as what we saw in

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the naked now, but really chilling.

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It matters.

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Like, I don't know what it is.

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Like, am I in a really good mood at the moment or something, but

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everything seemed to land and everything seemed to matter.

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And I found myself thinking about how the characters are feeling

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and I think it's just, I think it's just because it's well done.

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I wonder if, like, very often in Voyager, we are questioning what

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motivates anybody, because they don't usually think that thing

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through.

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Whereas here, you know, we know Harry, we know how badly he wants

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to get home.

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We know how much he loves Captain Janeway, as his mummy.

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We know, you know, like, he's the one that's always excited when

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there's a chance to get home somehow and, oh, let's risk it.

331
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Who cares?

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So to make this episode his fault.

333
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Yeah, wonderful.

334
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It's so good.

335
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It's such a good choice.

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It's the coolest thing they could do for real.

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So it's the most dramatic.

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But of course, it gets fixed for him.

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And here we go.

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It's wonderful.

341
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So good.

342
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I mean, why are they complaining about that special effect?

343
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You can see all the right and sort of crinkly because it's under

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the ice, you know?

345
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

346
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So someone in memory alpha says that it looks like when they're

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underwater, but I don't think so.

348
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I think it really, really looks like just very clear eye.

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So now we're in the sets that have been distressed.

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And it's so well lit. doing the X-Files things with the torchlight

351
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so everything's really atmospheric.

352
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And now this is where we see that they're older.

353
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We didn't know until this point, did we?

354
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No, no, no.

355
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And and I think that the makeup on Harry is really good.

356
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Like they don't do old man makeup.

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They just give him eyebags and stuff and sort of longer hair, a

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little bit of gray.

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Like they don't overdo the makeup.

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I did notice there. actually notice it earlier today, but I have

361
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just noticed that the ice did just flail in the wind there.

362
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It was clearly a curtain at the back of the step.

363
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Never mind, never mind.

364
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Oh, no, no.

365
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I think there's some, there's some, there's some coffee plastic

366
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and stuff.

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There's some clear plastic dangling from the ceiling.

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This line here, and I think this line is really good.

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So Harry says, decks 9 through 14 are now deck 10. they've been

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compacted or they've been crushed.

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And so Harry is saying this in this really flip way, like he does

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a gag.

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And the thing about this version of Harry is that, and it's, it's

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cliched in all sorts of ways.

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I know, but this Harry has put up this sort of barrier around

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himself where he's making these flip quips about this terrible

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tragedy that's kind of ruined his life.

378
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It's when they are utterly unmoved by seeing Janeway that I was

379
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like, what has gone wrong here?

380
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So we saw Tom there in that shot.

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We see some people.

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And so the 2 of them split up.

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Harry's now encountering a dead body in the Jeffrey's tube and

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Chakotay's on the bridge and we see Tom and they both regard the

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bodies but don't react.

386
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Like that's Tom there, isn't it?

387
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Oh, how lovely.

388
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Oh, sorry, how sad.

389
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Yeah.

390
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But, but, but no one can afford to react because if they let

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themselves react.

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Do you know what I mean?

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They just, it's just too much.

394
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It's too much to respond.

395
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It's come to change this, hasn't he?

396
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

397
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But, but, but just being confronted with it. and the Janeway.

398
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Like that.

399
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Oh, look, they've iced up all of her hair as well and everything.

400
00:18:04.980 --> 00:18:08.039
We know we're in a bad situation. you know, when her air's missy.

401
00:18:08.099 --> 00:18:12.359
Are you telling me that when that when forger crashed into that

402
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planet, all those decks just went crush and everyone in them.

403
00:18:15.900 --> 00:18:16.680
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

404
00:18:16.740 --> 00:18:17.640
Oh, fucking hell.

405
00:18:18.240 --> 00:18:22.980
Yeah, so, so I think, you know, like you, it's Star Trek and

406
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people aren't going to be overwrought about a pretend death that

407
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you know, gets fixed by the end of the episode.

408
00:18:27.839 --> 00:18:30.779
See, this is bleak as well with 7.

409
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And like when Chakotay says to his girlfriend here, Tess, this

410
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isn't exactly a happy reunion, make it quick, like make it quick.

411
00:18:42.599 --> 00:18:46.500
And like that's super bleak and they could have played with it

412
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more because they kind of, you know, the doctor's holding her

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skull at some point, you know, with technology inside it.

414
00:18:53.460 --> 00:18:59.519
I've got to say as well, whoever's doing the Foley on this episode

415
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does a really great job when he's scraping ice away from the

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things.

417
00:19:05.640 --> 00:19:10.440
It was just, it was really visceral in a way that Voyager just

418
00:19:10.440 --> 00:19:11.339
it's, usually.

419
00:19:11.400 --> 00:19:13.920
Everything's so clean normally, isn't it?

420
00:19:13.980 --> 00:19:15.000
You don't need sound effects.

421
00:19:15.599 --> 00:19:18.059
I don't know, it was immersive.

422
00:19:18.119 --> 00:19:19.380
It was really immersive.

423
00:19:19.440 --> 00:19:23.940
And so that's the we're here to save history or change history.

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That's our 1st end break, right?

425
00:19:25.740 --> 00:19:28.319
Now we go back to history.

426
00:19:28.380 --> 00:19:31.259
I think Janeway is slightly drunk.

427
00:19:31.319 --> 00:19:34.920
I don't know why she says interstellar instead of interstellar.

428
00:19:34.980 --> 00:19:38.819
And like this, again, the slow motion thing is a bit cheesy and

429
00:19:38.819 --> 00:19:40.200
stuff and we only see it once.

430
00:19:40.200 --> 00:19:41.220
It's established.

431
00:19:41.279 --> 00:19:42.299
No, no, no.

432
00:19:42.359 --> 00:19:43.799
It's probably confetti.

433
00:19:43.859 --> 00:19:46.140
It looks quite pretty in slow motion.

434
00:19:46.200 --> 00:19:48.480
No, look, another generational thing.

435
00:19:48.539 --> 00:19:50.579
They're smashing champagne bottles against things.

436
00:19:50.640 --> 00:19:52.380
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

437
00:19:52.440 --> 00:19:55.680
But it is, you know, we only see it once, we know that they're all

438
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dead, you know, and we know that this is, we've got to know that

439
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this is going to kill them.

440
00:20:01.440 --> 00:20:05.759
Do you think Laval said, look, we've already ruined all the sets.

441
00:20:05.819 --> 00:20:07.319
We may as well do engineering as well.

442
00:20:07.380 --> 00:20:09.839
We'll get the cleanup crews to do the whole lot.

443
00:20:09.900 --> 00:20:11.220
Yeah.

444
00:20:11.279 --> 00:20:13.859
But this is a big event too, isn't it?

445
00:20:13.920 --> 00:20:16.799
Like when they're saying it's precisely how long we've been in the

446
00:20:16.799 --> 00:20:19.019
Delta Quadrant and we're going home tomorrow.

447
00:20:19.079 --> 00:20:24.240
Like, it's an amazingly huge event and it is a thing that we know

448
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has to go wrong.

449
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And I think, I think the idea of showing us the consequence at the

450
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beginning allows us to even do the episode.

451
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I mean, automatically, I've seen either the needle. seen all the

452
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others.

453
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If this had come first, I'd have had that feeling in my gut of

454
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like, oh, dear.

455
00:20:40.619 --> 00:20:43.619
They're going to be very disappointed at the end of the episode.

456
00:20:43.740 --> 00:20:46.619
But it's much, yeah, they're all dead.

457
00:20:46.680 --> 00:20:48.660
Yeah, yeah.

458
00:20:48.660 --> 00:20:54.480
But here, like all of the dialogue, like both Robert, Medium

459
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Robert and Kate are really great.

460
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You got dinner plans.

461
00:20:59.759 --> 00:21:01.140
Well, you're coming to mind.

462
00:21:01.140 --> 00:21:02.339
Yeah, yeah, we do now.

463
00:21:02.339 --> 00:21:02.880
It's an order.

464
00:21:02.940 --> 00:21:03.599
Great.

465
00:21:03.660 --> 00:21:07.799
And then kneeling to the Talaxian furfly is wonderful.

466
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What does tuba say?

467
00:21:10.559 --> 00:21:15.900
You never failed to astonish me, Mr. Neelix. so funny.

468
00:21:15.960 --> 00:21:19.079
Look, like Roxanne's enjoying the scene.

469
00:21:19.140 --> 00:21:22.680
Like everyone is really just kind of giving their best.

470
00:21:22.799 --> 00:21:26.460
Look at the way she holds this thing that terrible...

471
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You are an unended source of astonishment, Mr. Nick.

472
00:21:31.380 --> 00:21:32.519
It's wonderful.

473
00:21:32.579 --> 00:21:34.500
Just adorable.

474
00:21:34.559 --> 00:21:36.720
So why are they always written like this?

475
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Yes, I know.

476
00:21:38.460 --> 00:21:40.680
I know. and now 7's drunk.

477
00:21:40.980 --> 00:21:43.380
Which is just terribly cute.

478
00:21:43.440 --> 00:21:47.279
My visual processors and motor cortex are sabotaged.

479
00:21:47.339 --> 00:21:51.660
But we've gone from seeing her dead body frozen in ice on the

480
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bridge and now we see this comedy scene with her.

481
00:21:55.619 --> 00:21:57.240
I love her.

482
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I am unable to comply when it...

483
00:22:00.839 --> 00:22:01.859
No, I don't know.

484
00:22:01.920 --> 00:22:03.539
I like, we are one.

485
00:22:03.599 --> 00:22:04.740
We are one doctor.

486
00:22:05.339 --> 00:22:09.299
It's great How many clocks did you have?

487
00:22:09.420 --> 00:22:11.039
That would be me.

488
00:22:11.099 --> 00:22:13.079
That would be me.

489
00:22:13.140 --> 00:22:15.660
It's not even it's not even alcohol.

490
00:22:15.720 --> 00:22:18.359
I've already got a sniffer beer and I want a kebab, you know.

491
00:22:21.779 --> 00:22:24.119
Oh, she's so nice.

492
00:22:24.180 --> 00:22:25.559
You are my mentor.

493
00:22:25.619 --> 00:22:25.980
Yes.

494
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This is what I would say to you if I was drunk.

495
00:22:30.599 --> 00:22:35.940
But again, like having the 2 of them like that, that interaction

496
00:22:35.940 --> 00:22:38.579
between the 2 of them where, for the rest of the episode, he's

497
00:22:38.579 --> 00:22:41.339
carving her head up to get technology out of it.

498
00:22:41.400 --> 00:22:43.259
He's really bruised. as well.

499
00:22:43.319 --> 00:22:45.119
Brannan identifies.

500
00:22:45.180 --> 00:22:45.539
Right.

501
00:22:45.599 --> 00:22:47.220
Jane Wenchkotay, that works.

502
00:22:47.279 --> 00:22:49.380
Chewbok and Neelix, that works.

503
00:22:49.859 --> 00:22:52.140
The Doctor at 7.

504
00:22:52.200 --> 00:22:52.559
That works.

505
00:22:52.619 --> 00:22:55.380
Well, Tom and Harry will, yeah.

506
00:22:55.440 --> 00:22:56.700
But this works.

507
00:22:56.759 --> 00:23:03.119
Like, it's written, like, it's, it's good because Tom understands

508
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how important this is to Harry, and it's Harry's project and Harry

509
00:23:07.259 --> 00:23:08.339
wants to get home.

510
00:23:08.339 --> 00:23:11.880
And Tom, Tom doesn't particularly want to get home because he's

511
00:23:11.880 --> 00:23:14.160
got horrible Admiral Paris, I'm waiting for him.

512
00:23:14.220 --> 00:23:19.740
But, but he understands and respects Harry's desire to get home

513
00:23:19.740 --> 00:23:21.720
and everyone else's, you know.

514
00:23:21.779 --> 00:23:28.019
And so he's really kind and gentle and stuff, but he has to be

515
00:23:28.019 --> 00:23:28.859
blunt, you know?

516
00:23:28.859 --> 00:23:31.319
So where's this Paris normally then?

517
00:23:31.380 --> 00:23:33.180
Yeah, I don't know.

518
00:23:33.240 --> 00:23:33.720
I don't know.

519
00:23:33.779 --> 00:23:35.880
I think him and Belana are unpleasant.

520
00:23:35.940 --> 00:23:39.480
I think the idea that him being a big whiny jerk, you know, like

521
00:23:39.480 --> 00:23:43.859
he's, I don't know, the Brannan Braga school of manhood or

522
00:23:43.859 --> 00:23:44.220
something.

523
00:23:44.279 --> 00:23:45.359
I don't know.

524
00:23:45.420 --> 00:23:47.700
Well, they shot these scenes here because that carpet looks

525
00:23:47.700 --> 00:23:48.539
pristine now.

526
00:23:48.599 --> 00:23:52.380
Do you think they shot this up post or pre-the ice?

527
00:23:52.440 --> 00:23:53.039
I don't know.

528
00:23:53.099 --> 00:23:56.579
LeVar did say something about having to clean the, having to clean

529
00:23:56.579 --> 00:23:57.480
the sets up.

530
00:23:57.539 --> 00:24:01.380
If you're making that much of a mess, Levar, you're clearing it up

531
00:24:01.380 --> 00:24:02.339
yourself, all right?

532
00:24:02.400 --> 00:24:05.400
Yeah, you would think that whoever, what's next week's episode?

533
00:24:06.480 --> 00:24:09.480
Oh, it's the one with 7 where she's got the multiple

534
00:24:09.480 --> 00:24:10.079
personalities.

535
00:24:10.140 --> 00:24:11.039
Infinite Recress.

536
00:24:11.099 --> 00:24:14.759
Okay, so you think that you just let the director of infinite

537
00:24:14.759 --> 00:24:15.900
regress do the Hoovering?

538
00:24:15.960 --> 00:24:17.819
I like to think he got on the phone.

539
00:24:17.880 --> 00:24:19.019
Marie, now, Jonathan.

540
00:24:19.079 --> 00:24:21.000
Come on now, I need the cleanup crew.

541
00:24:21.059 --> 00:24:22.319
Get to the voyages.

542
00:24:24.359 --> 00:24:27.059
It gets his mates to come and help.

543
00:24:27.119 --> 00:24:29.039
It's very well directed this though.

544
00:24:29.099 --> 00:24:33.420
And you have to have a good understanding of the structure of the

545
00:24:33.420 --> 00:24:37.920
story in order for all of the, the, you know, the tone of it has

546
00:24:37.920 --> 00:24:39.900
to be right at the right time.

547
00:24:39.900 --> 00:24:41.160
And he just got it.

548
00:24:41.220 --> 00:24:47.099
I feel like, um, Brannan and LeVar may have gone away on holiday.

549
00:24:47.160 --> 00:24:50.819
He wrote the scripts and they were totally they're just so in sync

550
00:24:50.819 --> 00:24:51.180
in this one.

551
00:24:51.420 --> 00:24:57.480
There's something even that thing just now where Tom says to Harry

552
00:24:57.480 --> 00:25:01.799
we have to tell them. and Harry's face falls and Tom reacts to

553
00:25:01.799 --> 00:25:02.039
that.

554
00:25:02.099 --> 00:25:05.099
You know, like...

555
00:25:05.160 --> 00:25:07.680
Whenever they do this and it's like, oh, we're going to get home

556
00:25:07.680 --> 00:25:12.240
and it fails miserably or there are bumps along the way, it always

557
00:25:12.240 --> 00:25:12.660
works.

558
00:25:12.720 --> 00:25:15.119
I don't understand why they don't lean into this more.

559
00:25:15.180 --> 00:25:16.980
Yeah, just wrong.

560
00:25:17.279 --> 00:25:19.740
But, yeah.

561
00:25:19.799 --> 00:25:26.339
But this too, I mean, Harry, like Tom encourages Harry to, to, and

562
00:25:26.339 --> 00:25:28.440
look, is looking at him concerned and looking at him

563
00:25:28.440 --> 00:25:29.279
encouragingly.

564
00:25:29.339 --> 00:25:30.539
Like there's something there.

565
00:25:30.599 --> 00:25:31.859
I don't know.

566
00:25:31.920 --> 00:25:32.519
I don't know.

567
00:25:32.579 --> 00:25:34.920
Maybe this happens all the time and I'm just not inclined to

568
00:25:34.920 --> 00:25:35.279
notice it.

569
00:25:35.339 --> 00:25:37.740
We've done enough of these now. grief.

570
00:25:37.799 --> 00:25:39.900
Remember we saw Alice recently.

571
00:25:39.960 --> 00:25:41.519
Do you remember what Paris was like in that?

572
00:25:41.819 --> 00:25:45.420
Do you remember when he was inciting rebellion in Course

573
00:25:45.420 --> 00:25:46.079
Oblivion?

574
00:25:46.140 --> 00:25:47.220
He a prick normally?

575
00:25:47.279 --> 00:25:52.680
But, but if they had lent into, like, if their, if their

576
00:25:52.680 --> 00:25:57.119
relationship had been more, you know, like, not sort of sub-sitcom

577
00:25:57.119 --> 00:26:01.619
banter, like non-funny banter and stuff, like, if it had been that

578
00:26:01.619 --> 00:26:07.259
Tom was slightly older, you know, and cared about Harry.

579
00:26:07.319 --> 00:26:08.759
Like, you know, loved Harry.

580
00:26:08.819 --> 00:26:09.660
Do you know what I mean?

581
00:26:09.900 --> 00:26:14.880
Nowadays, I think they would be bisexual, you know, and they would

582
00:26:14.880 --> 00:26:15.839
dare to go there.

583
00:26:15.900 --> 00:26:17.519
They just wouldn't have done it then.

584
00:26:17.579 --> 00:26:20.039
But the moment they tried that in the shoot where it really

585
00:26:20.039 --> 00:26:23.880
genuinely looks like they're going to kiss, I mean, real, for real

586
00:26:23.880 --> 00:26:26.039
there's such a charge there between them.

587
00:26:26.099 --> 00:26:31.019
But this show, like this show has such a constrained view of what

588
00:26:31.019 --> 00:26:32.700
masculinity is.

589
00:26:33.420 --> 00:26:38.700
And, and some, but here there was some real kindness and some real

590
00:26:38.700 --> 00:26:42.539
love in the way that they, that, that Tom was looking at Harry

591
00:26:42.539 --> 00:26:43.259
then.

592
00:26:43.319 --> 00:26:45.359
And look at Janeway as well.

593
00:26:45.420 --> 00:26:49.920
Like Janeway, obviously, and it's not stated in dialogue, but

594
00:26:49.920 --> 00:26:51.599
obviously it were that.

595
00:26:51.660 --> 00:26:56.220
And look, like he goes, yes, and Tom smiles in encouragement.

596
00:26:56.220 --> 00:27:00.900
And obviously one of the reasons why Janeway agrees to listen to

597
00:27:00.900 --> 00:27:04.920
his proposal is because Janeway knows that he wants to get home

598
00:27:04.920 --> 00:27:06.720
and loves him and staff.

599
00:27:06.779 --> 00:27:09.960
I adore this scene between J.

600
00:27:09.960 --> 00:27:11.339
Ray, I should say.

601
00:27:11.400 --> 00:27:15.359
Not just for the gags, but just because of the intimacy, how it's

602
00:27:15.359 --> 00:27:16.079
lit.

603
00:27:16.140 --> 00:27:19.859
And this is what I asked for after resolutions. explore this

604
00:27:19.859 --> 00:27:20.099
stuff.

605
00:27:20.160 --> 00:27:22.740
There's a relationship here that's waiting to happen.

606
00:27:22.799 --> 00:27:25.200
And of course, this is just mutual respects.

607
00:27:25.259 --> 00:27:29.279
It's not romantic anyway, but it's kind of lit in a romantic way.

608
00:27:29.400 --> 00:27:30.539
It's beautiful.

609
00:27:30.599 --> 00:27:35.400
And, and, and like, and the other thing that I really like is that

610
00:27:35.400 --> 00:27:41.099
Janeway is really rash, and I think it's partly because she, you

611
00:27:41.099 --> 00:27:44.160
know, because she cares about Harry.

612
00:27:44.519 --> 00:27:48.779
And also because, you know, she's aware that she stranded them

613
00:27:48.779 --> 00:27:49.019
here.

614
00:27:49.019 --> 00:27:51.779
And because that's her character, she takes risks.

615
00:27:51.839 --> 00:27:55.680
You know, she takes risks and she's got Chakotay here saying

616
00:27:55.680 --> 00:27:57.420
really don't do this.

617
00:27:57.480 --> 00:27:58.680
It's not a good idea.

618
00:27:58.799 --> 00:28:03.539
Something could go horribly wrong and, you know, like we, we, there

619
00:28:03.539 --> 00:28:04.380
are too many variables.

620
00:28:04.440 --> 00:28:06.660
He says, something goes wrong. we're screwed.

621
00:28:06.720 --> 00:28:08.700
I bet she goes for it anyway.

622
00:28:08.819 --> 00:28:13.740
This is played gently, but again, the best Janeway Chakotay scenes

623
00:28:13.740 --> 00:28:18.839
is when she makes a decision and he's kind of appalled or pushes

624
00:28:18.839 --> 00:28:21.180
against it and they just didn't do that enough.

625
00:28:21.240 --> 00:28:22.259
Do you remember in Scorpion?

626
00:28:22.319 --> 00:28:22.799
It was great.

627
00:28:22.920 --> 00:28:25.799
Do you remember in Equinox when she's behaving like a psychopath

628
00:28:25.799 --> 00:28:28.559
and he's going, why are you trying to flush people out of

629
00:28:28.559 --> 00:28:29.220
airlocks?

630
00:28:29.279 --> 00:28:29.759
going on?

631
00:28:29.819 --> 00:28:31.319
But it always works.

632
00:28:31.380 --> 00:28:33.960
I just I don't get why they forget it.

633
00:28:34.019 --> 00:28:35.579
Yeah, yeah.

634
00:28:35.640 --> 00:28:39.660
Also, again, like the looks between them as well.

635
00:28:39.720 --> 00:28:42.960
That, like, it's mostly, to be fair.

636
00:28:43.019 --> 00:28:44.039
Yeah, yeah, it is her.

637
00:28:44.220 --> 00:28:47.339
But he's giving, he's, you know, like he's rising to it, I think.

638
00:28:47.400 --> 00:28:48.839
Like, she puts her hand on him.

639
00:28:48.900 --> 00:28:50.640
Are you ready to try some home cooking?

640
00:28:50.700 --> 00:28:54.539
He says, alert, Sick Bay, which is a dumb gag, but her response to

641
00:28:54.539 --> 00:28:55.619
it sells it.

642
00:28:55.799 --> 00:28:59.700
Like she puts her hand on his neck and then just smiles at him and

643
00:28:59.700 --> 00:29:03.480
now he's a great transition as well to the future because they

644
00:29:03.480 --> 00:29:06.000
don't try and match up the pad because they're never going to get

645
00:29:06.000 --> 00:29:06.359
it right.

646
00:29:06.420 --> 00:29:08.099
So they just put one over the other.

647
00:29:08.160 --> 00:29:11.819
Well, because the ship's been damaged and stuff and it's just like

648
00:29:11.819 --> 00:29:14.579
so we just before going into the ad break.

649
00:29:14.640 --> 00:29:17.759
And so we've out of the ad break now and we're back in the future

650
00:29:18.000 --> 00:29:21.240
dreadful trousers he's wearing, Harry.

651
00:29:21.299 --> 00:29:22.079
Oh, dear.

652
00:29:22.079 --> 00:29:25.200
They are from a Deep Space 9 episode.

653
00:29:25.259 --> 00:29:26.819
Is it called the Ascent?

654
00:29:26.880 --> 00:29:29.579
That's the one where Odo and Quart go up the mountain?

655
00:29:29.640 --> 00:29:30.420
you remember?

656
00:29:30.480 --> 00:29:30.839
Yeah.

657
00:29:30.900 --> 00:29:32.160
So they're wearing those.

658
00:29:32.220 --> 00:29:35.579
Oh, wow, they look bad on almond and Renee as well.

659
00:29:38.700 --> 00:29:42.839
I don't know why things, but all the clothes on Voyager, they

660
00:29:42.839 --> 00:29:47.039
bunch sharp around the area in a very unfortunate way.

661
00:29:47.220 --> 00:29:48.660
Yeah.

662
00:29:48.720 --> 00:29:53.940
So again, so his Harry being flip about the death, you know, all

663
00:29:53.940 --> 00:29:58.680
it took was just killing everyone we loved and and Chakotay says

664
00:29:58.680 --> 00:30:01.019
Harry like stops him.

665
00:30:01.079 --> 00:30:03.660
You know, um, I like the deep...

666
00:30:03.660 --> 00:30:07.799
Like, he's going to do the, like the, he does his hand gesture to

667
00:30:07.799 --> 00:30:09.420
to mime Voyager exploding.

668
00:30:09.539 --> 00:30:12.119
We had no way to salvage your program.

669
00:30:12.180 --> 00:30:13.440
I'm sorry, you're not important.

670
00:30:13.500 --> 00:30:15.059
Stop this from happening.

671
00:30:15.119 --> 00:30:18.539
No, I really like the line and you know how we sort of hate

672
00:30:18.539 --> 00:30:21.299
bullshit backstory, but there's details here that I really like.

673
00:30:21.359 --> 00:30:25.380
He says the hand of every admiral that I shook when I got home.

674
00:30:25.440 --> 00:30:28.799
I went and saw every single one of them to try and make this

675
00:30:28.799 --> 00:30:31.740
happen and all of them said no.

676
00:30:31.799 --> 00:30:32.279
I don't know.

677
00:30:32.519 --> 00:30:35.579
The detail just, it was convincing.

678
00:30:35.640 --> 00:30:39.900
But think how much as the audience, we want to know what happens

679
00:30:39.900 --> 00:30:43.079
when Voyager gets back home and we never...

680
00:30:43.140 --> 00:30:44.220
Fashion, if it's fine.

681
00:30:44.279 --> 00:30:46.140
Just the 2 of them.

682
00:30:46.200 --> 00:30:47.880
Oh, we killed everyone getting here.

683
00:30:47.940 --> 00:30:48.960
Yeah, yeah.

684
00:30:48.960 --> 00:30:51.000
Like, I think that's brilliant.

685
00:30:51.059 --> 00:30:54.359
Like that, we want to hear it, but it's a horrible poisoned

686
00:30:54.359 --> 00:30:56.940
version of that narrative, like an awful version.

687
00:30:57.059 --> 00:30:58.680
Like it's really good.

688
00:30:58.740 --> 00:31:01.319
That's even worse than my version, Nathan.

689
00:31:01.380 --> 00:31:03.480
Of course, oblivion. when I said they should have got home and

690
00:31:03.480 --> 00:31:04.140
then all melted.

691
00:31:04.680 --> 00:31:06.839
Yeah, yeah.

692
00:31:09.779 --> 00:31:14.220
Yeah, yeah. and now we've got dead 7 here.

693
00:31:14.279 --> 00:31:16.740
Um, Yeah.

694
00:31:16.799 --> 00:31:19.619
Oh, they put gray in Chakotay's hair again.

695
00:31:19.680 --> 00:31:19.920
Sorry.

696
00:31:19.980 --> 00:31:21.960
I'm just, it does look great.

697
00:31:22.019 --> 00:31:23.700
I mean, prodigy did that as well, didn't it?

698
00:31:23.759 --> 00:31:25.019
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

699
00:31:25.079 --> 00:31:27.900
You didn't see the episode, The Last Flight of the Protestar, where

700
00:31:27.900 --> 00:31:28.859
he has the big beard.

701
00:31:28.920 --> 00:31:30.119
You saw the flashback.

702
00:31:31.380 --> 00:31:32.819
Prodigy with a beard.

703
00:31:34.140 --> 00:31:37.920
It's amazing how well he can act as a cartoon character, you

704
00:31:37.920 --> 00:31:38.160
know.

705
00:31:40.319 --> 00:31:42.539
But he's so good in this.

706
00:31:42.599 --> 00:31:45.539
Like, I really like him in this. unbelievable, isn't it?

707
00:31:45.599 --> 00:31:48.900
An episode that's built around Beltran and Garrett Wang. this

708
00:31:48.900 --> 00:31:49.140
good?

709
00:31:49.200 --> 00:31:50.819
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

710
00:31:50.880 --> 00:31:52.380
What are the old...

711
00:31:52.440 --> 00:31:55.980
How much of it is because they're being given good material?

712
00:31:56.039 --> 00:32:01.559
You know, they they stop bothering, I think, to give Chakotay

713
00:32:01.559 --> 00:32:02.279
anything to do.

714
00:32:02.339 --> 00:32:04.140
And I think he checks out.

715
00:32:04.200 --> 00:32:07.799
I do like this character, the girlfriend, bar.

716
00:32:07.859 --> 00:32:12.779
It was your standard voyager. murder she wrote actor of the week

717
00:32:12.779 --> 00:32:13.500
playing it.

718
00:32:13.559 --> 00:32:18.660
So, I mean, this is 90s TV. like they're all guests in all shows

719
00:32:18.660 --> 00:32:19.380
are like this.

720
00:32:19.440 --> 00:32:21.119
Excepting Simmons.

721
00:32:21.180 --> 00:32:21.660
Excuse me?

722
00:32:21.720 --> 00:32:25.740
Yeah, well, yeah, no, she's not a big name, but she, I think, like

723
00:32:25.740 --> 00:32:28.920
there is a sense here There a kind of sense in which her job is to

724
00:32:28.920 --> 00:32:33.779
do the emotional labour that she has got this man and this man is

725
00:32:33.779 --> 00:32:40.079
so sad and so hurt and so, you know, she loves him, but there's

726
00:32:40.079 --> 00:32:41.579
this deep hurt in him.

727
00:32:41.640 --> 00:32:44.579
And when she gets the chance to do something, even something

728
00:32:44.579 --> 00:32:48.960
dangerous and illegal to help him fix it, she does it, even

729
00:32:48.960 --> 00:32:52.859
because... that their relationship will cease to be that they'll

730
00:32:52.859 --> 00:32:53.279
never meet.

731
00:32:53.339 --> 00:32:55.980
They have that conversation. have that conversation in the

732
00:32:55.980 --> 00:32:56.279
episode.

733
00:32:56.339 --> 00:33:02.160
So she's even prepared to forego him to let him go to give him the

734
00:33:02.160 --> 00:33:03.180
chance to fix this.

735
00:33:03.240 --> 00:33:06.059
And she's the one who says, you always lived here.

736
00:33:06.119 --> 00:33:10.500
This, the Bridge of Voyager is where you belong, because he's

737
00:33:10.500 --> 00:33:13.140
going to get to take her on board the bridge now, you know.

738
00:33:13.200 --> 00:33:17.519
I thought this line was a bit shit again, where Harry says, we're

739
00:33:17.519 --> 00:33:17.819
having sex.

740
00:33:17.880 --> 00:33:20.940
And the reason it's terrible is no one on Star Trek.

741
00:33:21.000 --> 00:33:23.220
90 Star Trek has sex. you know what I mean?

742
00:33:23.279 --> 00:33:24.839
Like, it's just like, it's St.

743
00:33:24.839 --> 00:33:27.720
John's Big Space 9, of course, but yeah, except Monday, so it's 9

744
00:33:27.720 --> 00:33:29.279
where they're all willing.

745
00:33:29.339 --> 00:33:30.660
Yeah, that's right.

746
00:33:30.720 --> 00:33:33.059
But, you know, that's transgressive.

747
00:33:33.119 --> 00:33:37.619
And again, it is trying to show that he's not the, you know, the

748
00:33:37.619 --> 00:33:39.180
fresh faced young man.

749
00:33:39.240 --> 00:33:41.099
He is in Voyager.

750
00:33:41.160 --> 00:33:42.900
I like the fact that Voyager Crush, though.

751
00:33:42.960 --> 00:33:45.660
We went back to the special effect and a whole glacier sort of

752
00:33:45.660 --> 00:33:47.220
grown over the top of it.

753
00:33:47.279 --> 00:33:48.720
Yeah, the snow's fallen.

754
00:33:48.779 --> 00:33:51.779
Well, because it was, or do you think it got hot?

755
00:33:51.839 --> 00:33:52.799
It was hot.

756
00:33:52.859 --> 00:33:58.140
It came down hot and it melts the ice and sinks into the water and

757
00:33:58.140 --> 00:34:00.180
then the ice freezes over it, you know.

758
00:34:00.240 --> 00:34:04.680
Do you remember when we watched Scorpion and you were slightly

759
00:34:04.680 --> 00:34:07.680
appalled by the scenes on the bullshit where David Livingstone was

760
00:34:07.680 --> 00:34:09.900
trying to give us atmosphere with Strobe light and things like

761
00:34:09.900 --> 00:34:10.139
this.

762
00:34:10.139 --> 00:34:13.500
Well, I mean, it's not getting it right here, don't they?

763
00:34:13.559 --> 00:34:15.599
I mean, they're not they're not doing that, but they're doing

764
00:34:15.599 --> 00:34:19.739
atmosphere and suspense with the set and I just think it works

765
00:34:19.739 --> 00:34:20.940
like gangbusters.

766
00:34:21.000 --> 00:34:24.179
I don't want to go back to the normal boy, just say.

767
00:34:24.239 --> 00:34:25.320
Yeah, yeah.

768
00:34:25.380 --> 00:34:26.639
But look at this.

769
00:34:26.699 --> 00:34:29.940
Like again, he's been given something to do.

770
00:34:30.000 --> 00:34:32.219
This is very soapy acting.

771
00:34:32.280 --> 00:34:33.059
Do you know what I mean?

772
00:34:33.119 --> 00:34:35.340
This time I was in this chair, Nathan.

773
00:34:35.400 --> 00:34:36.659
Yeah, yeah, they were all alive.

774
00:34:36.719 --> 00:34:38.820
Like all of that's pretty ripe, right?

775
00:34:38.880 --> 00:34:42.420
But like you're just giving him the chance to just sit and think

776
00:34:42.420 --> 00:34:43.860
and he's looking down.

777
00:34:43.920 --> 00:34:46.380
He's not looking around the sheep or anything like that.

778
00:34:46.440 --> 00:34:50.460
He's now looking at her, but like he's really hurt.

779
00:34:50.519 --> 00:34:52.260
You know, like, it's so good.

780
00:34:52.320 --> 00:34:55.199
That is the usual Voyager thing by having him say it.

781
00:34:55.260 --> 00:34:58.559
He could have just sat in the chair. and we could have probably

782
00:34:58.559 --> 00:34:59.820
have gone there.

783
00:34:59.880 --> 00:35:00.780
We knew.

784
00:35:00.840 --> 00:35:05.039
Michael Burnham would have just sat down and looked sad and we

785
00:35:05.039 --> 00:35:06.000
would have been like, oh, right.

786
00:35:06.059 --> 00:35:06.480
Yeah, okay.

787
00:35:06.539 --> 00:35:07.559
Yeah, okay, we get that.

788
00:35:07.619 --> 00:35:08.219
Yeah, you're right.

789
00:35:08.340 --> 00:35:13.500
Which is why, which is why when they fail. to have Harry Kim say

790
00:35:13.500 --> 00:35:16.199
oh my god, what have I done when the crash happens?

791
00:35:16.260 --> 00:35:19.559
I was cheering, going, thank you, you've let him do it with a

792
00:35:19.559 --> 00:35:19.860
look.

793
00:35:20.519 --> 00:35:23.699
Yeah, and this, so this is the thing.

794
00:35:23.760 --> 00:35:24.900
You know, he makes a little gag.

795
00:35:24.960 --> 00:35:26.699
You can't go to my quarters because they're a mess.

796
00:35:26.760 --> 00:35:29.639
And now they're having the conversation about how they're never

797
00:35:29.639 --> 00:35:30.119
going to meet.

798
00:35:30.179 --> 00:35:32.219
Like if this works, we won't ever have met.

799
00:35:32.280 --> 00:35:33.719
And we could not do this.

800
00:35:35.699 --> 00:35:38.400
Sort of a bit cheeky, a bit.

801
00:35:38.400 --> 00:35:39.480
Oh, Robert Belgium.

802
00:35:39.539 --> 00:35:40.380
Where have you been?

803
00:35:40.440 --> 00:35:42.059
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

804
00:35:42.119 --> 00:35:44.400
Again, he's been given something to do.

805
00:35:44.460 --> 00:35:46.619
They know this is the 100th episode.

806
00:35:46.679 --> 00:35:50.519
Everyone is, like everyone's aware that this is a big milestone

807
00:35:50.519 --> 00:35:53.519
and everyone's doing their best this week, and they've got

808
00:35:53.519 --> 00:35:55.199
material that's worthy of it.

809
00:35:55.260 --> 00:35:59.400
It happens more often than you'd think in season five, you know, I

810
00:35:59.400 --> 00:35:59.639
think.

811
00:35:59.699 --> 00:36:00.239
Okay.

812
00:36:00.239 --> 00:36:05.099
There's quite a lot of event episodes in terms of everyone given

813
00:36:05.099 --> 00:36:05.820
their A game.

814
00:36:08.039 --> 00:36:08.760
Yeah.

815
00:36:08.820 --> 00:36:11.340
I mean, I have to think that, again, it's that thing that I've

816
00:36:11.340 --> 00:36:13.260
said before about shorter seasons.

817
00:36:13.320 --> 00:36:17.340
If we just had a shorter season where everything was an event.

818
00:36:17.400 --> 00:36:20.039
Well, we also have course oblivion this year as well.

819
00:36:20.099 --> 00:36:21.000
It's not all.

820
00:36:21.119 --> 00:36:23.159
It's not roses.

821
00:36:23.219 --> 00:36:27.119
No, it's a calamity.

822
00:36:27.780 --> 00:36:31.260
Joe, she does look a bit like Janeway in the right light.

823
00:36:31.320 --> 00:36:36.719
It's gone for someone just like...

824
00:36:36.780 --> 00:36:40.139
I like the fact, you know, that in Prodigy, ultimately, Chakotay

825
00:36:40.139 --> 00:36:42.360
did end up with a version of Janeway, you know.

826
00:36:42.420 --> 00:36:44.579
Finally, our desires were women.

827
00:36:44.699 --> 00:36:45.360
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

828
00:36:45.420 --> 00:36:46.679
Okay.

829
00:36:46.739 --> 00:36:51.900
So we have just had Harry recording a message.

830
00:36:52.019 --> 00:36:52.920
That's great.

831
00:36:52.920 --> 00:36:55.440
It's just a little line, isn't it?

832
00:36:55.500 --> 00:36:58.440
It's just a little line where it goes, I've just, does he say, I've

833
00:36:58.440 --> 00:36:58.980
just made a message?

834
00:36:59.039 --> 00:37:01.199
I can't remember what the line is, but it's throwaway.

835
00:37:01.260 --> 00:37:03.960
Oh, he says, yeah, I was writing a letter.

836
00:37:04.019 --> 00:37:08.460
And, and, but we just heard a message from Janeway, a recording

837
00:37:08.460 --> 00:37:12.300
from Janeway, a captain's log from Janeway on the bridge that is a

838
00:37:12.300 --> 00:37:16.739
message from 15 years in the past that's being sent to Chakotay in

839
00:37:16.739 --> 00:37:17.159
the future.

840
00:37:17.219 --> 00:37:20.699
We'll discover that the message that Harry was just recording is a

841
00:37:20.699 --> 00:37:24.059
message from the future, which is going to be sent back in the

842
00:37:24.059 --> 00:37:25.860
past so that Harry can see it.

843
00:37:25.920 --> 00:37:29.099
And even that, just that little touch of those 2 messages coming

844
00:37:29.099 --> 00:37:31.619
in successive scenes going in opposite directions.

845
00:37:31.679 --> 00:37:33.059
I think it's really good.

846
00:37:33.119 --> 00:37:36.179
Like, you just have no idea it was so easy to send messages

847
00:37:36.179 --> 00:37:37.260
through time, you know.

848
00:37:37.320 --> 00:37:40.619
Ah, well, you know, if you have to.

849
00:37:40.679 --> 00:37:43.320
Well, it seems like in a bubble here.

850
00:37:43.380 --> 00:37:49.199
Janeway's message was recorded and then left for 15 years and

851
00:37:49.199 --> 00:37:50.400
that's how it ended up in the future.

852
00:37:50.460 --> 00:37:52.980
It was just picked up.

853
00:37:53.039 --> 00:37:54.239
These things happen.

854
00:37:56.159 --> 00:37:59.460
It's a good thing those circuits weren't eroded.

855
00:37:59.519 --> 00:38:00.420
And then this.

856
00:38:00.480 --> 00:38:04.559
So there's this line here, which we just talked over, which I

857
00:38:04.559 --> 00:38:07.679
think is absolutely stunning and a great performance from the 2 of

858
00:38:07.679 --> 00:38:11.460
them, where the doctor makes this flip joke where he says, ah, you

859
00:38:11.460 --> 00:38:14.579
know, like at least it's better than being buried under 20 metres

860
00:38:14.579 --> 00:38:15.179
of ice.

861
00:38:15.239 --> 00:38:20.400
And Harry just turns and looks at him and says, you don't know how

862
00:38:20.400 --> 00:38:23.039
many times I wish I had been.

863
00:38:23.099 --> 00:38:25.860
And the doctor looks genuinely abashed.

864
00:38:25.920 --> 00:38:28.980
And because Harry had been super flip all the way through in

865
00:38:28.980 --> 00:38:29.699
dialogue.

866
00:38:29.760 --> 00:38:33.059
And when the doctor does it to him and he's just straightforwardly

867
00:38:33.059 --> 00:38:36.420
honest, and that's heartbreaking because that's real.

868
00:38:36.480 --> 00:38:37.980
Like, that's how you would feel.

869
00:38:38.039 --> 00:38:39.179
Do you know what I mean?

870
00:38:39.239 --> 00:38:41.639
Like even people who survive an accident that they're not

871
00:38:41.639 --> 00:38:44.219
responsible for, feel guilt about it.

872
00:38:44.280 --> 00:38:46.260
And like it's cliche.

873
00:38:46.320 --> 00:38:49.199
It's a cliche line, but it's just so well delivered by both of

874
00:38:49.199 --> 00:38:49.619
them.

875
00:38:49.679 --> 00:38:52.079
I wouldn't want more.

876
00:38:52.139 --> 00:38:56.820
I wouldn't want Harry Kim to be this unhappy all of the time

877
00:38:56.820 --> 00:38:59.460
because that's just not who his character is.

878
00:38:59.519 --> 00:39:03.000
But I wouldn't mind a little more because Garrett is selling it

879
00:39:03.000 --> 00:39:03.659
and then some.

880
00:39:03.780 --> 00:39:07.320
And usually when I look at him in a scene, he's vacant, you know

881
00:39:07.320 --> 00:39:11.039
whereas he's really got something to grab hold of here and

882
00:39:11.039 --> 00:39:11.579
deliver.

883
00:39:12.239 --> 00:39:15.780
And when we go back to the future, he's still on.

884
00:39:15.840 --> 00:39:18.659
Like Garrett is still being given interesting things to do.

885
00:39:18.780 --> 00:39:24.300
And even though like it ends with him being saved, it ends so

886
00:39:24.300 --> 00:39:25.860
positively...

887
00:39:25.860 --> 00:39:26.639
I remember...

888
00:39:26.639 --> 00:39:28.139
I remember...

889
00:39:28.139 --> 00:39:31.139
I'm being so frustrated because they have that dialogue scene at

890
00:39:31.139 --> 00:39:34.739
him and Janeway and I'd forgotten a line about the letter.

891
00:39:34.739 --> 00:39:38.280
And I was like, oh, come on, like, why do you always do this?

892
00:39:38.340 --> 00:39:39.599
Why do you always rewrite the past?

893
00:39:39.659 --> 00:39:41.460
There's no real consequences for anybody.

894
00:39:41.519 --> 00:39:43.199
And then that message played.

895
00:39:43.260 --> 00:39:44.880
I was like, thank you.

896
00:39:44.940 --> 00:39:46.260
Thank you so much.

897
00:39:46.380 --> 00:39:50.400
At the moment, I remembered it because he turns and says, doctor

898
00:39:50.400 --> 00:39:53.159
I'm just coming or the doctor, you hear the doctor say something

899
00:39:53.159 --> 00:39:54.179
he turns up, just coming.

900
00:39:54.239 --> 00:39:57.420
I thought, oh, yes, of course, that's in the message because I

901
00:39:57.420 --> 00:39:58.619
remember that the message happened.

902
00:39:58.679 --> 00:40:02.820
But the message does something and the message does change Harry

903
00:40:02.820 --> 00:40:04.380
and make a difference.

904
00:40:04.440 --> 00:40:08.940
And so both Harry's get redeemed in that moment because both of

905
00:40:08.940 --> 00:40:10.619
them fix each other.

906
00:40:10.679 --> 00:40:11.940
Do you know what I mean?

907
00:40:12.000 --> 00:40:16.320
Like Harry, like our Harry gets the chance to solve this

908
00:40:16.320 --> 00:40:20.519
catastrophe, this mistake he's made, but he also gets the chance

909
00:40:20.519 --> 00:40:24.000
to fix how he's felt about that as well more directly.

910
00:40:24.059 --> 00:40:24.900
It's so good.

911
00:40:24.960 --> 00:40:29.039
It's why I think this is better than the year of hell, which does

912
00:40:29.039 --> 00:40:32.280
just wipe out the timeline and nobody's got any clue.

913
00:40:32.400 --> 00:40:33.659
They go, oh, it's the crown.

914
00:40:33.719 --> 00:40:34.980
Well, we'll just go round that then.

915
00:40:35.039 --> 00:40:35.519
There you go.

916
00:40:35.579 --> 00:40:39.780
It gives anorax a happy ending and that's all very satisfying.

917
00:40:39.840 --> 00:40:40.440
That's good.

918
00:40:40.440 --> 00:40:42.960
It should impact our character.

919
00:40:43.019 --> 00:40:43.800
True.

920
00:40:43.800 --> 00:40:44.400
Yeah.

921
00:40:44.400 --> 00:40:46.139
But this probably does.

922
00:40:46.199 --> 00:40:46.980
This properly does.

923
00:40:48.360 --> 00:40:52.380
Wow, look at this editing. cut, cut, cut, she goes.

924
00:40:52.440 --> 00:40:52.980
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

925
00:40:53.699 --> 00:40:56.760
Even this cheesy line, lunch salami sandwiches.

926
00:40:56.820 --> 00:41:04.559
And then... and then... and and but Medium Robert smiles like this

927
00:41:04.559 --> 00:41:08.579
beautiful smile at this and and because we've seen them being so

928
00:41:08.579 --> 00:41:10.800
so heavy.

929
00:41:10.860 --> 00:41:11.760
Do you know what I mean?

930
00:41:11.760 --> 00:41:15.480
and seeing them, like, it's a relief to see them having fun, but

931
00:41:15.480 --> 00:41:18.659
it is also kind of awful to see them having fun as well because we

932
00:41:18.659 --> 00:41:19.380
know it's going to happen.

933
00:41:19.440 --> 00:41:23.400
Wow, the suspense it built in this, because from the very, you

934
00:41:23.400 --> 00:41:26.400
know, the pre-toles, because we know the impact of Scott, oh, I

935
00:41:26.400 --> 00:41:27.960
love seeing the galaxy class starship.

936
00:41:28.019 --> 00:41:32.460
This is the 1st time that we switch between time periods in the

937
00:41:32.460 --> 00:41:35.579
show, in the in, like without an ad break.

938
00:41:35.579 --> 00:41:39.059
And for a 2nd when I 1st saw that, and the Delta Flyers going

939
00:41:39.059 --> 00:41:39.960
along.

940
00:41:40.019 --> 00:41:45.000
And instead of Voyager coming after it, it's a galaxy class.

941
00:41:45.059 --> 00:41:48.000
It's really good and you just have that little moment, you know.

942
00:41:48.059 --> 00:41:49.559
Well, it's done visually as well.

943
00:41:49.619 --> 00:41:50.519
It's not explained.

944
00:41:51.239 --> 00:41:53.940
But for a 2nd I thought, wait, what's that?

945
00:41:54.659 --> 00:41:57.840
Oh my god, we're going to say LaVar's eyes.

946
00:41:57.900 --> 00:41:58.320
How lovely.

947
00:41:58.380 --> 00:41:59.400
Yeah.

948
00:41:59.460 --> 00:42:01.860
So this is what he looks like in nemesis.

949
00:42:01.920 --> 00:42:03.059
Has nemesis happened by now?

950
00:42:03.119 --> 00:42:04.139
I think it probably works.

951
00:42:04.199 --> 00:42:06.599
It is absolutely beautiful there, mate.

952
00:42:06.780 --> 00:42:08.039
Yeah, he is a beautiful man.

953
00:42:08.099 --> 00:42:08.639
Yeah.

954
00:42:08.699 --> 00:42:09.179
Yeah.

955
00:42:09.239 --> 00:42:11.880
It's my outfit's been cameo.

956
00:42:11.940 --> 00:42:14.280
I would do a bit of Alfred Hitchcock in this episode, yeah.

957
00:42:14.340 --> 00:42:17.519
Yeah, so, I mean, it wasn't his idea.

958
00:42:17.579 --> 00:42:21.300
I think sort of once he was in it, and he hadn't directed an

959
00:42:21.300 --> 00:42:23.519
episode with himself in it before or for a long time.

960
00:42:23.579 --> 00:42:25.559
Well, who was going to be in it then?

961
00:42:25.619 --> 00:42:26.760
La Forge.

962
00:42:26.820 --> 00:42:29.159
Oh, well, it didn't, it could have been anyone.

963
00:42:29.219 --> 00:42:32.340
I mean, the next time this happens, it'll be Captain Harry Kim

964
00:42:32.340 --> 00:42:34.260
doing this in Endgame.

965
00:42:36.059 --> 00:42:39.119
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right.

966
00:42:40.800 --> 00:42:43.679
And oh gosh, he's so charming.

967
00:42:43.739 --> 00:42:45.119
And again, that makes an event.

968
00:42:45.179 --> 00:42:46.980
It makes it an event, doesn't it?

969
00:42:47.039 --> 00:42:48.780
When someone from the parent show is in it.

970
00:42:48.840 --> 00:42:49.260
Absolutely.

971
00:42:49.320 --> 00:42:49.980
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

972
00:42:50.039 --> 00:42:53.579
Because we don't ever have TNG and Voyager crossing over.

973
00:42:53.639 --> 00:42:54.719
Yeah, we will.

974
00:42:54.780 --> 00:42:57.420
It'll become a regular because...

975
00:42:57.480 --> 00:43:03.119
Yeah, that's always an event, but then, you know, like... a break

976
00:43:03.119 --> 00:43:05.940
episode, another episode that's tied into the premise of the show

977
00:43:05.940 --> 00:43:07.559
and it's another banger as well.

978
00:43:07.619 --> 00:43:08.460
Yeah.

979
00:43:08.460 --> 00:43:12.059
God, maybe we were wrong about Voyager all these years, you know.

980
00:43:12.119 --> 00:43:13.980
But that's what I'm wondering.

981
00:43:14.039 --> 00:43:14.940
That's what I want.

982
00:43:15.000 --> 00:43:18.119
Now, look, we come back and there's the same shot, but it's

983
00:43:18.119 --> 00:43:20.159
Voyager instead of the Galaxy Class shift.

984
00:43:20.760 --> 00:43:24.659
Just you go and watch a double helping of Twisted and the fight.

985
00:43:26.280 --> 00:43:27.840
I remember.

986
00:43:27.900 --> 00:43:31.440
I mean, the other thing too is, like, this is the point at which

987
00:43:31.440 --> 00:43:34.380
you realise the thing that's motivating the switches between the

988
00:43:34.380 --> 00:43:36.960
time periods is that they're about to coincide.

989
00:43:37.019 --> 00:43:41.099
So we will see the message being sent and then being received.

990
00:43:41.159 --> 00:43:43.800
And when you were watching it this afternoon, you thought...

991
00:43:43.860 --> 00:43:46.980
It feels so triumphant and I was so convinced this was the end of

992
00:43:46.980 --> 00:43:47.280
the episode.

993
00:43:47.340 --> 00:43:48.900
Oh, they got to fix it.

994
00:43:48.960 --> 00:43:52.980
We saw the beginning and now they're going to fix it and the

995
00:43:52.980 --> 00:43:56.639
genius of it is that they don't.

996
00:43:58.260 --> 00:44:03.659
I am convinced that is the best into the ad break Voyager moment

997
00:44:03.659 --> 00:44:05.340
ever of the ship crash.

998
00:44:05.400 --> 00:44:06.719
I don't think they ever top that.

999
00:44:06.780 --> 00:44:07.679
So good.

1000
00:44:07.739 --> 00:44:11.340
And like we said, before we before we press play, we said the

1001
00:44:11.340 --> 00:44:16.500
reason that it works, so well, here, rather than as the cold open

1002
00:44:16.500 --> 00:44:17.880
is that we know what it means.

1003
00:44:17.940 --> 00:44:19.800
We know that this is everyone being killed.

1004
00:44:19.800 --> 00:44:22.139
And we know that it's Harry Failing again.

1005
00:44:22.199 --> 00:44:24.300
You know, like Harry's failing again.

1006
00:44:24.360 --> 00:44:28.260
And so, so, at the beginning, it looked like we were just going to

1007
00:44:28.260 --> 00:44:31.500
hear Harry tell us about what had happened in the past and we saw

1008
00:44:31.500 --> 00:44:32.699
the consequences.

1009
00:44:32.760 --> 00:44:35.760
But now we get to watch it happen, and we get to watch it happen

1010
00:44:35.760 --> 00:44:37.559
twice in 2 time periods.

1011
00:44:37.619 --> 00:44:39.780
And just the way that it breaks, Harry.

1012
00:44:39.840 --> 00:44:41.760
I think is his best performance.

1013
00:44:41.820 --> 00:44:43.380
He's desperately trying to save them.

1014
00:44:43.440 --> 00:44:46.980
Chakotay pulls him away and then the camera just lingers on him

1015
00:44:46.980 --> 00:44:52.440
when he realises he has murdered the entire crew and he's going to

1016
00:44:52.440 --> 00:44:52.980
have to watch it.

1017
00:44:53.039 --> 00:44:54.659
Yeah, yeah.

1018
00:44:54.719 --> 00:44:57.119
That's amazing. horrible, isn't it?

1019
00:44:57.179 --> 00:44:59.940
He's just never going to see them again. you know what I mean?

1020
00:45:00.000 --> 00:45:01.019
He doesn't even know what happens.

1021
00:45:02.159 --> 00:45:05.579
I feel even worse when I pop out back on earth.

1022
00:45:05.639 --> 00:45:06.300
Oh, God.

1023
00:45:06.360 --> 00:45:07.980
How am I gonna explain this?

1024
00:45:08.039 --> 00:45:09.780
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1025
00:45:09.840 --> 00:45:14.820
Like, it's, oh, you can only do this once, can't you?

1026
00:45:14.880 --> 00:45:17.519
You can only do this sort of like, we're nearly home.

1027
00:45:17.519 --> 00:45:19.019
It's all wrong. again.

1028
00:45:19.559 --> 00:45:21.179
Several times.

1029
00:45:21.360 --> 00:45:23.519
Is that work, didn't it?

1030
00:45:23.579 --> 00:45:24.960
Yeah, let's try it again.

1031
00:45:25.320 --> 00:45:27.420
But that is what they do.

1032
00:45:27.480 --> 00:45:32.099
Like they do, like a crappy retrader piece is the finale.

1033
00:45:32.159 --> 00:45:33.599
That's where I was convinced.

1034
00:45:33.659 --> 00:45:35.159
The doctor goes, yes, I've done it.

1035
00:45:35.219 --> 00:45:36.539
And then 7 gets the message.

1036
00:45:36.599 --> 00:45:38.820
I was like, 0 my God. things in.

1037
00:45:38.880 --> 00:45:39.719
We've got the time.

1038
00:45:39.780 --> 00:45:40.500
We've got the date.

1039
00:45:40.559 --> 00:45:41.820
We're sending the phase variants.

1040
00:45:41.880 --> 00:45:43.800
About 15 years out he makes the same mistake.

1041
00:45:43.860 --> 00:45:45.480
Nathan, remember, right?

1042
00:45:45.539 --> 00:45:47.400
Obviously, I've noted how this ends.

1043
00:45:47.460 --> 00:45:48.300
I know it crashes.

1044
00:45:48.360 --> 00:45:51.119
I was convinced this time. imagine the 1st time I watched this.

1045
00:45:51.179 --> 00:45:52.139
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1046
00:45:52.139 --> 00:45:55.320
I probably was thinking, oh, well, that's a nice easy out to the

1047
00:45:55.320 --> 00:45:55.619
episode.

1048
00:45:55.679 --> 00:45:56.340
Well, there you go.

1049
00:45:56.400 --> 00:45:57.659
Oh, shit in hell.

1050
00:45:57.719 --> 00:46:02.219
No, this is a show about people solving space problems, you know

1051
00:46:02.219 --> 00:46:05.579
and we know that the ship isn't destroyed because it's on next

1052
00:46:05.579 --> 00:46:05.880
week.

1053
00:46:05.940 --> 00:46:09.059
You know, so we know that it's fair.

1054
00:46:09.119 --> 00:46:11.099
We're 35 minutes into the episode.

1055
00:46:11.159 --> 00:46:15.059
It's just late enough that you might think, actually, that's the

1056
00:46:15.059 --> 00:46:16.380
end and we'll do some talking.

1057
00:46:16.440 --> 00:46:18.119
Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.

1058
00:46:18.179 --> 00:46:18.659
Exactly.

1059
00:46:19.920 --> 00:46:24.239
Maybe it's probably a bit slow moving on seven.

1060
00:46:24.300 --> 00:46:26.760
She's like, I'm receiving a message, you know, from my husband

1061
00:46:26.760 --> 00:46:27.360
class.

1062
00:46:27.420 --> 00:46:27.780
Yeah.

1063
00:46:27.780 --> 00:46:30.179
Coming from Harry Kim.

1064
00:46:30.300 --> 00:46:31.739
Harry, what are you doing?

1065
00:46:31.860 --> 00:46:35.099
And so now, instead of being separated by ad breaks.

1066
00:46:35.159 --> 00:46:38.099
We just cutting between one end of this and the other.

1067
00:46:38.159 --> 00:46:38.880
It's terrific.

1068
00:46:38.940 --> 00:46:41.519
But you have to do this with momentum, right?

1069
00:46:41.579 --> 00:46:42.420
It has to flow.

1070
00:46:42.480 --> 00:46:43.559
It has to build.

1071
00:46:43.679 --> 00:46:48.000
It's building up to that massive set piece of the ship crashing.

1072
00:46:48.119 --> 00:46:54.179
Yeah, I think Lavar really shows he can, he can stagger these

1073
00:46:54.179 --> 00:46:54.780
scenes together.

1074
00:46:54.960 --> 00:46:59.039
And the scenes in the holodeck earlier where they're doing the

1075
00:46:59.039 --> 00:47:03.239
simulation now tells us how to understand what's happening.

1076
00:47:03.300 --> 00:47:06.300
The moment that they say the phase variance is increasing.

1077
00:47:06.360 --> 00:47:07.019
We know that that's it.

1078
00:47:07.079 --> 00:47:07.739
There's a disaster.

1079
00:47:07.800 --> 00:47:09.239
There's no escape from it.

1080
00:47:09.300 --> 00:47:10.019
It crushes.

1081
00:47:10.079 --> 00:47:12.539
These ship crashes are always so shit because I don't feel like

1082
00:47:12.539 --> 00:47:13.320
they mean anything.

1083
00:47:13.380 --> 00:47:14.940
I don't know why this one.

1084
00:47:15.000 --> 00:47:20.880
I just felt sick to my car knowing...

1085
00:47:20.940 --> 00:47:24.420
So there's no look on that shot on Harry's face.

1086
00:47:24.480 --> 00:47:25.260
Yeah, yeah.

1087
00:47:25.320 --> 00:47:26.460
Oh my goodness.

1088
00:47:26.519 --> 00:47:28.739
And he's just allowed to act it.

1089
00:47:28.800 --> 00:47:33.179
And then the shit turns towards the camera and you're like, oh

1090
00:47:33.179 --> 00:47:33.900
dear, it's going down.

1091
00:47:34.019 --> 00:47:37.139
And there's several different shots.

1092
00:47:37.199 --> 00:47:38.280
It's not just one shot.

1093
00:47:38.400 --> 00:47:42.179
I love the line, not exactly how I want to cross the finishing

1094
00:47:42.179 --> 00:47:42.360
line.

1095
00:47:42.420 --> 00:47:43.679
Great line.

1096
00:47:43.739 --> 00:47:44.820
Yeah.

1097
00:47:44.880 --> 00:47:47.940
I mean, Kate can always deliver those.

1098
00:47:48.000 --> 00:47:48.659
Oh, yeah, yeah.

1099
00:47:48.719 --> 00:47:49.679
Yeah, yeah.

1100
00:47:49.739 --> 00:47:51.539
Yeah. do you know what?

1101
00:47:51.599 --> 00:47:53.820
It actually did make me think, because I always used to complain

1102
00:47:53.820 --> 00:47:56.639
how come this DS9 had such great battle scenes.

1103
00:47:56.699 --> 00:48:01.079
Sometimes they spent the money on Voyager in a very different sort

1104
00:48:01.079 --> 00:48:04.739
of a way, and this time they spent it absolutely brilliantly.

1105
00:48:04.800 --> 00:48:05.519
It's so good.

1106
00:48:05.579 --> 00:48:07.619
And so some of these...

1107
00:48:07.739 --> 00:48:08.639
Oh my gosh.

1108
00:48:08.699 --> 00:48:09.179
Yeah.

1109
00:48:09.239 --> 00:48:12.780
And so some of those elements are like baking powder, like they're

1110
00:48:12.780 --> 00:48:13.980
not computer generated.

1111
00:48:14.039 --> 00:48:16.260
There's real physical elements there.

1112
00:48:17.340 --> 00:48:19.500
Oh, God.

1113
00:48:19.559 --> 00:48:20.760
It's coming right towards me.

1114
00:48:20.820 --> 00:48:21.780
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1115
00:48:21.840 --> 00:48:23.219
It's so visceral.

1116
00:48:23.280 --> 00:48:23.820
It's so good.

1117
00:48:24.059 --> 00:48:28.260
Because, you know, the Enterprise D sort of gradually goes past

1118
00:48:28.260 --> 00:48:29.340
the trees and stuff.

1119
00:48:29.519 --> 00:48:31.500
Effort, doesn't it?

1120
00:48:31.559 --> 00:48:32.280
Yeah, yeah.

1121
00:48:32.340 --> 00:48:35.099
Whereas that, there's several different shots from different

1122
00:48:35.099 --> 00:48:35.760
angles.

1123
00:48:35.760 --> 00:48:41.219
And now this, this is where all of that male, all of that sort of

1124
00:48:41.219 --> 00:48:44.519
masculine defence, all the flippantness, all of the kind of

1125
00:48:44.519 --> 00:48:46.500
refusal to pretend to give a shit.

1126
00:48:46.559 --> 00:48:51.000
All of the cynicism goes away and he's just our Harry again for a

1127
00:48:51.000 --> 00:48:51.360
second.

1128
00:48:51.900 --> 00:48:53.579
However...

1129
00:48:53.639 --> 00:48:54.539
I just think it's well done.

1130
00:48:54.599 --> 00:48:57.900
Well, look, I actually think that that scene, the problem with

1131
00:48:57.900 --> 00:49:01.380
that scene is that it's solved by everyone kind of just budding

1132
00:49:01.380 --> 00:49:03.119
horns, like the doctor yells at him.

1133
00:49:03.179 --> 00:49:05.940
Oh, I heard a problem with that, sort of thing.

1134
00:49:06.179 --> 00:49:06.960
He has a ceiling.

1135
00:49:07.139 --> 00:49:09.059
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1136
00:49:09.119 --> 00:49:13.019
But I don't think the ceiling, I don't think that 1st line of his

1137
00:49:13.019 --> 00:49:16.860
where he says, like, I think, like, he's given too much to say

1138
00:49:16.860 --> 00:49:21.780
he's given too much to explain, um, because we know how he feels

1139
00:49:21.780 --> 00:49:25.320
and he just, but we need to see him collapse and be our Harry

1140
00:49:25.320 --> 00:49:27.480
again, and be vulnerable.

1141
00:49:27.539 --> 00:49:30.119
Don't need all of those...

1142
00:49:30.179 --> 00:49:32.340
That is our voyage of failing again.

1143
00:49:32.519 --> 00:49:36.300
They think screaming loudly equals drama.

1144
00:49:36.360 --> 00:49:37.800
Yeah, they do a bit.

1145
00:49:37.860 --> 00:49:41.760
I mean, it is a kind of Star Trek failure mode a little bit as

1146
00:49:41.760 --> 00:49:42.059
well.

1147
00:49:42.119 --> 00:49:45.000
It is a sort of thing that Star Trek does generally.

1148
00:49:45.480 --> 00:49:47.699
And he's not there yet.

1149
00:49:47.760 --> 00:49:49.980
Sure, he still looks pulling it together.

1150
00:49:50.519 --> 00:49:52.380
He's a beautiful man.

1151
00:49:52.440 --> 00:49:53.280
Yeah, yeah.

1152
00:49:53.280 --> 00:49:55.980
Oh, look at that fabulous shot there from underneath.

1153
00:49:56.039 --> 00:49:56.639
Wonderful.

1154
00:49:56.699 --> 00:50:00.960
I want you to take the Enterprise for the challenger.

1155
00:50:01.019 --> 00:50:01.500
Yeah.

1156
00:50:01.559 --> 00:50:03.539
Basically, we end the price, though, right?

1157
00:50:03.599 --> 00:50:04.800
Just with the challenge I slapped on it.

1158
00:50:04.860 --> 00:50:07.440
But I love that it's called the Challenger.

1159
00:50:07.500 --> 00:50:11.280
Like it's named after the space shuttle that exploded in 86.

1160
00:50:11.579 --> 00:50:18.119
Um, and so this is where he loses it, like he's tried, and it's

1161
00:50:18.119 --> 00:50:19.079
it's not here.

1162
00:50:19.139 --> 00:50:20.039
Like, it's not here.

1163
00:50:20.099 --> 00:50:22.619
Like, he just says one line.

1164
00:50:22.679 --> 00:50:24.119
This way he's a...

1165
00:50:24.780 --> 00:50:26.579
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1166
00:50:26.639 --> 00:50:28.500
But it's because he's given 2 lines there.

1167
00:50:28.559 --> 00:50:30.420
And then we solve it by yelling at him.

1168
00:50:30.480 --> 00:50:31.980
And I don't think that's right.

1169
00:50:32.039 --> 00:50:35.639
And I do think that the scene later where we instead we get

1170
00:50:35.639 --> 00:50:41.760
Janeway, who cares about him and wants him to be okay, like, and

1171
00:50:41.760 --> 00:50:45.000
that's what solves the problem for him in these time periods, we

1172
00:50:45.000 --> 00:50:45.900
just all yell at each other.

1173
00:50:45.960 --> 00:50:49.440
I said to you, Bob Picardo, and kiss him here.

1174
00:50:49.559 --> 00:50:52.980
Like, it's like, this is how far you should go, all right?

1175
00:50:53.039 --> 00:50:54.900
And then immediately Garrett brings it down.

1176
00:50:54.960 --> 00:50:57.239
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1177
00:50:57.300 --> 00:50:57.719
I think so.

1178
00:50:57.780 --> 00:51:01.079
Like, and I think Bob kind of, he's sort of saving the scene.

1179
00:51:01.139 --> 00:51:03.420
I don't think this scene is as bad as you because I do expect kind

1180
00:51:03.420 --> 00:51:04.500
of...

1181
00:51:04.500 --> 00:51:07.019
This is an operatic...

1182
00:51:07.079 --> 00:51:08.400
I killed them.

1183
00:51:08.460 --> 00:51:10.500
Yeah, see, that's too much.

1184
00:51:10.559 --> 00:51:14.460
But I do think that like he doesn't need to say that, but having

1185
00:51:14.460 --> 00:51:15.360
him break down.

1186
00:51:15.420 --> 00:51:19.920
Like having him actually, when he's been this, you know, has had

1187
00:51:19.920 --> 00:51:23.820
his shields up the entire episode to have him break down and

1188
00:51:23.820 --> 00:51:27.119
remind us that he is our Harry, I think, is the right choice.

1189
00:51:27.239 --> 00:51:29.820
Which absolutely should happen after the crash, right?

1190
00:51:29.880 --> 00:51:30.119
Right?

1191
00:51:30.179 --> 00:51:31.739
Yeah, it's the right moment in the episode.

1192
00:51:31.800 --> 00:51:32.159
Yeah.

1193
00:51:32.280 --> 00:51:33.659
Yeah.

1194
00:51:33.719 --> 00:51:36.000
And but just making us watch him do it again.

1195
00:51:36.059 --> 00:51:42.420
So making us see him react in, in, in real time to that, that

1196
00:51:42.420 --> 00:51:43.920
disaster is perfect.

1197
00:51:43.980 --> 00:51:49.380
Having it narrated to us, seeing it in flashback, none of it works

1198
00:51:49.380 --> 00:51:50.460
as well as this.

1199
00:51:50.519 --> 00:51:54.300
And you see, I think too, that this scene would have worked better

1200
00:51:54.300 --> 00:51:57.780
the saying goodbye to Harry, and him smiling.

1201
00:51:57.840 --> 00:52:01.320
He grabs it on... and they both sm at each other.

1202
00:52:01.380 --> 00:52:04.860
If they hadn't been kind of just yelling at each other earlier

1203
00:52:04.860 --> 00:52:10.079
like if it had been warmer, if it had been brave enough to just be

1204
00:52:10.079 --> 00:52:14.219
a little bit warmer and to allow the 2 men to, you know, show some

1205
00:52:14.219 --> 00:52:17.340
proper grown up emotion other than aggression.

1206
00:52:17.400 --> 00:52:18.539
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know.

1207
00:52:18.599 --> 00:52:20.099
Oh, now we're doing it again.

1208
00:52:20.159 --> 00:52:22.559
Oh, I'm receiving some information in my court.

1209
00:52:22.559 --> 00:52:23.519
I see, you know.

1210
00:52:23.639 --> 00:52:28.019
So I just think my head cannon, and I, like, we don't explain it

1211
00:52:28.019 --> 00:52:31.619
but I'm just assuming that he just sent the message like half a

1212
00:52:31.619 --> 00:52:33.539
2nd earlier than the previous message.

1213
00:52:37.440 --> 00:52:39.360
And we had the line.

1214
00:52:39.420 --> 00:52:42.659
We had the line that says, the past is still there.

1215
00:52:42.719 --> 00:52:44.219
It's not going anywhere.

1216
00:52:44.280 --> 00:52:46.980
Like, just send another message, which I just think is perfect.

1217
00:52:47.099 --> 00:52:49.679
I'm very pleased. didn't go out at this point.

1218
00:52:49.800 --> 00:52:51.300
It wasn't her best hair, was it?

1219
00:52:54.000 --> 00:52:56.099
Oh, there we go.

1220
00:52:56.400 --> 00:52:59.159
And it all sorted out.

1221
00:52:59.219 --> 00:53:05.039
But what I love too is the 10 years that they don't make this a

1222
00:53:05.039 --> 00:53:05.760
failure.

1223
00:53:05.820 --> 00:53:09.179
Everyone doesn't look back disappointed that they had the chance

1224
00:53:09.179 --> 00:53:11.280
to go home, but it didn't work.

1225
00:53:11.340 --> 00:53:14.400
She does say you miscalculated, Harry.

1226
00:53:14.460 --> 00:53:18.659
And I like that as a like a little dick because it is, it's not a

1227
00:53:18.659 --> 00:53:19.380
kind thing to say.

1228
00:53:19.440 --> 00:53:24.539
No, but but this too, and I don't think this gets quite sold

1229
00:53:24.539 --> 00:53:29.880
properly enough, because who sent the message, I think it should

1230
00:53:29.880 --> 00:53:33.119
be clear that the source of wonder is that someone intervened to

1231
00:53:33.119 --> 00:53:36.719
save our lives, but because it's not super clear that they know

1232
00:53:36.719 --> 00:53:38.099
that they would have died.

1233
00:53:38.159 --> 00:53:40.019
Do you know what I mean at this point?

1234
00:53:40.380 --> 00:53:43.380
That would have landed better, I think.

1235
00:53:43.440 --> 00:53:48.119
If the mysterious message had come and somehow saved them and they

1236
00:53:48.119 --> 00:53:49.500
knew about it.

1237
00:53:49.559 --> 00:53:51.719
But this, so the warmth of it.

1238
00:53:51.780 --> 00:53:53.519
Like, it's a success for Harry.

1239
00:53:53.579 --> 00:53:56.099
You know, this wasn't the failure where he kills everyone.

1240
00:53:56.159 --> 00:53:59.340
It's not even the failure where he gets their hopes up and they're

1241
00:53:59.340 --> 00:53:59.760
dashed.

1242
00:53:59.820 --> 00:54:02.820
It didn't quite work out, but they're 10 years closer to home.

1243
00:54:02.880 --> 00:54:03.599
I think that's cool.

1244
00:54:03.659 --> 00:54:05.880
I mean, we saw off knew that was going to happen, right?

1245
00:54:05.940 --> 00:54:09.900
We weren't going to have the rest of Voyager on that icy ship with

1246
00:54:09.900 --> 00:54:10.679
half the crew did.

1247
00:54:10.739 --> 00:54:13.320
It had to be a success for Harry.

1248
00:54:13.380 --> 00:54:18.840
But it could have been, oh, well, it didn't work and everyone was

1249
00:54:18.840 --> 00:54:19.619
very disappointed.

1250
00:54:19.739 --> 00:54:21.900
We didn't have to have that 10 years.

1251
00:54:21.960 --> 00:54:23.340
Instead it worked.

1252
00:54:23.400 --> 00:54:24.539
They got 10 years ago.

1253
00:54:24.599 --> 00:54:27.000
I think this message at the end is so perfect.

1254
00:54:27.420 --> 00:54:32.219
There's just never any emotional consequences in these rewrite

1255
00:54:32.219 --> 00:54:34.500
episodes, these big red button episodes.

1256
00:54:34.559 --> 00:54:36.780
And it's so sweet.

1257
00:54:36.900 --> 00:54:41.760
We see in microcosm what happens to the other Harry, because Harry

1258
00:54:41.760 --> 00:54:45.480
is here thinking about the fact, because he knows that he sent the

1259
00:54:45.480 --> 00:54:46.079
wrong message.

1260
00:54:46.139 --> 00:54:50.400
He knows that if they had listened to him instead of seven, he

1261
00:54:50.400 --> 00:54:51.480
would have killed them all.

1262
00:54:51.539 --> 00:54:55.260
So he knows that he'd made a very bad mistake that nearly killed

1263
00:54:55.260 --> 00:54:55.679
everyone.

1264
00:54:55.739 --> 00:54:59.340
And then Harry from the future comes along and fixes it.

1265
00:54:59.400 --> 00:55:00.960
Are they telling us this?

1266
00:55:01.019 --> 00:55:03.659
We know everything she's saying right now.

1267
00:55:03.719 --> 00:55:05.519
The 2nd we see the bloody message.

1268
00:55:05.579 --> 00:55:06.900
We know it's him from the future.

1269
00:55:07.199 --> 00:55:08.579
Yeah.

1270
00:55:08.579 --> 00:55:09.119
Yeah.

1271
00:55:09.179 --> 00:55:09.960
I can't, they?

1272
00:55:09.960 --> 00:55:13.320
I know, I know, I know.

1273
00:55:13.380 --> 00:55:14.159
Yeah.

1274
00:55:14.219 --> 00:55:15.960
I know I'm being picky.

1275
00:55:16.019 --> 00:55:19.199
I know I'm being picky, but it is the flaws we normally point

1276
00:55:19.199 --> 00:55:19.440
out.

1277
00:55:19.559 --> 00:55:21.000
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1278
00:55:21.059 --> 00:55:22.980
But because there's so much good here.

1279
00:55:23.039 --> 00:55:26.639
And I even like, I even like this conversation about temporal

1280
00:55:26.639 --> 00:55:30.539
paradoxes coming in a Braga episode where it's just like, yeah, try

1281
00:55:30.539 --> 00:55:31.619
not to think about it too much.

1282
00:55:31.679 --> 00:55:32.159
It's fine.

1283
00:55:33.179 --> 00:55:35.760
I and I love...

1284
00:55:35.820 --> 00:55:38.519
I do love the fact that they are pushed forward 10 years, that

1285
00:55:38.519 --> 00:55:40.440
there is a positive consequence to all of that.

1286
00:55:40.500 --> 00:55:40.920
That's right.

1287
00:55:40.920 --> 00:55:44.400
But I just wish this is another Voyager problem.

1288
00:55:44.460 --> 00:55:46.260
That doesn't impact anything else after this.

1289
00:55:46.320 --> 00:55:47.880
It means nothing at all.

1290
00:55:47.940 --> 00:55:50.400
It's just means something to this episode and that's it.

1291
00:55:50.460 --> 00:55:55.260
But see what that scene did just then, which is Kate, which is

1292
00:55:55.260 --> 00:56:00.780
Catherine saying to him, it doesn't matter what the time paradox

1293
00:56:00.780 --> 00:56:01.139
is.

1294
00:56:01.199 --> 00:56:05.400
All that matters is that somehow at some point in the future you

1295
00:56:05.400 --> 00:56:06.719
came through for us.

1296
00:56:06.780 --> 00:56:10.739
And so this is a story not about how Harry failed and nearly

1297
00:56:10.739 --> 00:56:11.460
killed them all.

1298
00:56:11.519 --> 00:56:15.840
It's about how they saved them and saved them from her decision

1299
00:56:15.840 --> 00:56:19.260
and got them closer to home.

1300
00:56:19.320 --> 00:56:21.059
The way she looks at him.

1301
00:56:21.119 --> 00:56:22.559
Oh, I know.

1302
00:56:22.619 --> 00:56:23.280
I know.

1303
00:56:23.340 --> 00:56:24.300
Oh boy.

1304
00:56:24.360 --> 00:56:27.599
She was just looking and then a little smile just graced her

1305
00:56:27.599 --> 00:56:28.019
lips.

1306
00:56:28.079 --> 00:56:30.360
She just adored it.

1307
00:56:30.420 --> 00:56:33.000
But that's actor to actor as well as characters.

1308
00:56:33.059 --> 00:56:34.920
Why didn't we get more of that?

1309
00:56:34.980 --> 00:56:36.480
We needed more of that.

1310
00:56:36.659 --> 00:56:40.860
Yeah, it's they always bang on about the fact that they're a

1311
00:56:40.860 --> 00:56:41.159
family.

1312
00:56:41.219 --> 00:56:42.900
I don't know why they didn't show us more fun.

1313
00:56:43.440 --> 00:56:46.800
Garrett's tearing up here a little bit.

1314
00:56:47.159 --> 00:56:50.579
He must have been so happy to get this episode.

1315
00:56:50.639 --> 00:56:51.840
Yeah, yeah.

1316
00:56:51.900 --> 00:56:53.219
He's so good in it.

1317
00:56:53.280 --> 00:56:54.179
Like he's really good.

1318
00:56:54.239 --> 00:56:57.000
Yes, Mr Kim, your assistance, please.

1319
00:56:57.059 --> 00:56:59.039
Do you remember the other Harry Kim episodes?

1320
00:56:59.099 --> 00:57:04.500
the one where he's convinced he gets an SCD, the one where...

1321
00:57:04.559 --> 00:57:07.559
Yeah, they're just terrible episodes.

1322
00:57:08.099 --> 00:57:10.559
Bravo, Voyager.

1323
00:57:10.619 --> 00:57:11.940
Absolutely.

1324
00:57:12.000 --> 00:57:12.659
Bravo.

1325
00:57:12.719 --> 00:57:13.739
Absolutely superb.

1326
00:57:13.800 --> 00:57:15.480
That's like, like, you know what?

1327
00:57:15.539 --> 00:57:16.920
I was picky.

1328
00:57:16.980 --> 00:57:18.539
I'd still give that 10 out of 10.

1329
00:57:18.780 --> 00:57:23.579
I just think that is Voyager doing everything that it can do to

1330
00:57:23.579 --> 00:57:24.840
such a high standard.

1331
00:57:24.900 --> 00:57:27.840
Oh, it's top tier Star Trek, just generally, I think.

1332
00:57:27.900 --> 00:57:30.719
You know, like just a really excellent Star Trek episode.

1333
00:57:30.780 --> 00:57:35.280
Even the things we usually always complain about, the execution

1334
00:57:35.280 --> 00:57:39.599
even that, they were like, no, let's go above and beyond in this

1335
00:57:39.599 --> 00:57:42.119
episode because it's something special.

1336
00:57:42.179 --> 00:57:45.900
And just a decision to give it to Garra.

1337
00:57:45.960 --> 00:57:51.059
It's unusual, but it paid off in space, you know.

1338
00:57:51.119 --> 00:57:53.460
And I think that's what kind of makes it unusual, right?

1339
00:57:53.519 --> 00:57:56.280
If that had been about Janeway, it would have just been another

1340
00:57:56.280 --> 00:57:58.019
great Janeway episode, you know?

1341
00:57:58.079 --> 00:58:01.139
as we will see at the end of series.

1342
00:58:02.159 --> 00:58:06.360
I don't know that that's that's a great Janeway episode.

1343
00:58:06.420 --> 00:58:07.500
It's all right.

1344
00:58:07.860 --> 00:58:09.239
Yeah.

1345
00:58:09.300 --> 00:58:13.679
But it's the 1st, like, massive win, and there's a couple of good

1346
00:58:13.679 --> 00:58:15.900
episodes before this in season five.

1347
00:58:15.960 --> 00:58:19.980
It's the 1st of quite a few huge wins.

1348
00:58:20.039 --> 00:58:23.159
I mean, latent image, brighter Chaotica.

1349
00:58:23.219 --> 00:58:26.039
I know you threw shade on it the other day, but I love

1350
00:58:26.039 --> 00:58:27.059
relativity.

1351
00:58:27.119 --> 00:58:30.059
1159. someone to watch over me.

1352
00:58:30.119 --> 00:58:31.679
They really would.

1353
00:58:31.739 --> 00:58:34.139
I mean, there's still the trilogy of terror here.

1354
00:58:34.199 --> 00:58:38.099
You get the fight, the disease and course oblivion back to back.

1355
00:58:38.159 --> 00:58:40.079
So, you know what?

1356
00:58:40.139 --> 00:58:41.159
It's still Voyager.

1357
00:58:41.219 --> 00:58:45.599
But this really was empiring on all cylinders, I think. 4 and

1358
00:58:45.599 --> 00:58:45.960
five.

1359
00:58:46.019 --> 00:58:48.900
I think they there was something in the air.

1360
00:58:49.079 --> 00:58:53.280
That didn't last long, but you know, bloody hell, take it in while

1361
00:58:53.280 --> 00:58:55.380
it's there because it's pretty glorious.

1362
00:59:04.440 --> 00:59:08.340
Alright, it's the end of the episode, and it's time for us to find

1363
00:59:08.340 --> 00:59:10.019
out where we're going next.

1364
00:59:10.079 --> 00:59:14.579
This excellent choice was mine, and so it's time for me to hand

1365
00:59:14.579 --> 00:59:19.260
the reins of the randomiser over to you, uh, in order to what, ruin

1366
00:59:19.260 --> 00:59:19.920
it, I guess.

1367
00:59:19.980 --> 00:59:21.960
I don't know what's going on.

1368
00:59:22.019 --> 00:59:25.920
What's the time in on Star Trek project where pretty much every

1369
00:59:25.920 --> 00:59:29.219
choice you ever made was a complete dog of an episode.

1370
00:59:29.280 --> 00:59:33.179
And I chose all the bangers and now we've totally reverse

1371
00:59:33.179 --> 00:59:33.659
positions.

1372
00:59:33.719 --> 00:59:34.559
I'm swapped.

1373
00:59:34.619 --> 00:59:36.360
What happened to do it?

1374
00:59:36.420 --> 00:59:40.139
You put me just in the mood for great 90s trek.

1375
00:59:40.199 --> 00:59:40.559
Okay?

1376
00:59:40.619 --> 00:59:41.579
Okay, good.

1377
00:59:41.639 --> 00:59:45.780
And because you have handed me the wonderful gift of being able to

1378
00:59:45.780 --> 00:59:50.280
select the seasons that I want to choose as well as the series, I

1379
00:59:50.280 --> 00:59:54.719
am going straight to my favourite season of Dick Space 9.

1380
00:59:54.780 --> 00:59:56.219
Season five.

1381
00:59:56.280 --> 00:59:57.840
Season five.

1382
00:59:57.900 --> 00:59:58.500
Come on.

1383
00:59:58.980 --> 01:00:00.059
Please don't give me.

1384
01:00:00.119 --> 01:00:00.659
Oh, God.

1385
01:00:00.719 --> 01:00:02.699
Let him is without sin or something.

1386
01:00:02.760 --> 01:00:04.800
Oh, I want to say that, though.

1387
01:00:06.000 --> 01:00:08.639
Here we go.

1388
01:00:09.840 --> 01:00:16.139
Ooh, your random Star Trek D Space 9 episode is season five

1389
01:00:16.139 --> 01:00:17.460
episode 16.

1390
01:00:17.699 --> 01:00:20.159
Dr. Bashir, I presume?

1391
01:00:20.760 --> 01:00:24.840
It is Bob Picardo.

1392
01:00:24.960 --> 01:00:29.280
Romancing Chase Masterson.

1393
01:00:29.340 --> 01:00:29.760
Oh wow.

1394
01:00:29.820 --> 01:00:30.659
Okay.

1395
01:00:30.719 --> 01:00:33.719
Oh, it's Louis Imerman. not the doctor.

1396
01:00:33.780 --> 01:00:34.800
It, not the AMH.

1397
01:00:34.860 --> 01:00:36.000
It's Dr. Zimmerman.

1398
01:00:36.059 --> 01:00:40.739
There's a really great scene where you've got Bashir and the

1399
01:00:40.739 --> 01:00:46.980
Bashir MH and Zimmerman and the EMH all in the scene together and

1400
01:00:46.980 --> 01:00:49.199
they're all in. am I being replaced?

1401
01:00:49.320 --> 01:00:50.940
Goes the EMH.

1402
01:00:51.000 --> 01:00:52.559
No, I'm sorry.

1403
01:00:52.559 --> 01:00:55.260
I do really want to watch that as well, but I'm going to press it

1404
01:00:55.260 --> 01:00:55.500
again.

1405
01:00:55.559 --> 01:00:57.480
I think I can get better than that, you know.

1406
01:00:57.539 --> 01:00:58.079
All right.

1407
01:00:58.139 --> 01:00:58.440
Okay.

1408
01:00:58.440 --> 01:00:59.280
I hope.

1409
01:00:59.460 --> 01:01:00.000
Oh, God.

1410
01:01:00.000 --> 01:01:01.079
Oh.

1411
01:01:01.139 --> 01:01:02.159
What the hell?

1412
01:01:02.219 --> 01:01:05.579
Oh, Empoc Noor, which we have already done.

1413
01:01:05.639 --> 01:01:06.599
You've done that already.

1414
01:01:07.199 --> 01:01:10.559
Oh, episode eight, things passed.

1415
01:01:10.619 --> 01:01:13.199
The sequel to Necessary Evil.

1416
01:01:13.739 --> 01:01:15.119
Okay.

1417
01:01:15.179 --> 01:01:18.960
That I mean, that's as good as Levar again. is very atmospheric.

1418
01:01:19.019 --> 01:01:19.320
Okay.

1419
01:01:19.320 --> 01:01:21.360
But I don't want to do that one.

1420
01:01:21.420 --> 01:01:21.659
No.

1421
01:01:21.719 --> 01:01:24.360
Season five, episode 12, the begotten.

1422
01:01:24.420 --> 01:01:30.719
That's the one where Kira gives birth to the baby and Keiko says

1423
01:01:30.719 --> 01:01:33.300
you can come in as long as you both behave.

1424
01:01:33.360 --> 01:01:35.280
Shakar and O'Brien.

1425
01:01:35.340 --> 01:01:36.300
Oh, it's terrible.

1426
01:01:36.360 --> 01:01:36.840
Oh my god.

1427
01:01:36.900 --> 01:01:39.119
It's like all these sitcom antics where they try and go through

1428
01:01:39.119 --> 01:01:40.199
the door at the same time.

1429
01:01:40.260 --> 01:01:41.280
It's really very bad.

1430
01:01:41.340 --> 01:01:43.440
That sounds great. keep going.

1431
01:01:43.500 --> 01:01:44.760
That's exactly what I actually need to do.

1432
01:01:44.820 --> 01:01:47.519
So can you tell I'm trying to find a particular episode?

1433
01:01:47.579 --> 01:01:49.139
Oh my god.

1434
01:01:49.199 --> 01:01:50.219
I get it.

1435
01:01:50.219 --> 01:01:51.780
Let him move without saying.

1436
01:01:51.840 --> 01:01:56.760
If let him who is without sin comes up, you have to do it, you

1437
01:01:56.760 --> 01:01:58.800
have to abandon the search for this episode.

1438
01:01:58.860 --> 01:02:00.119
Okay.

1439
01:02:00.179 --> 01:02:01.860
Well, if you have to.

1440
01:02:01.980 --> 01:02:04.440
I finally found the episode.

1441
01:02:04.500 --> 01:02:05.219
I was going for.

1442
01:02:05.280 --> 01:02:05.699
Yes.

1443
01:02:05.760 --> 01:02:08.940
Okay, I mean, you're the one that's allowed this, all right.

1444
01:02:09.000 --> 01:02:10.800
But allowed me to select the season.

1445
01:02:10.860 --> 01:02:13.440
I can just keep pressing until I find something I fancy.

1446
01:02:13.500 --> 01:02:16.679
Well, or until we get bored or embarrassed by the whole rose.

1447
01:02:16.800 --> 01:02:17.579
Are you embarrassed yet?

1448
01:02:17.639 --> 01:02:18.420
Bit.

1449
01:02:18.480 --> 01:02:19.079
Okay.

1450
01:02:19.139 --> 01:02:21.719
I don't know if you'll be embarrassed when we've watched this one

1451
01:02:21.719 --> 01:02:21.960
though.

1452
01:02:22.199 --> 01:02:24.539
I may have broken my curves.

1453
01:02:24.599 --> 01:02:29.639
Season five, episode six. trials and tribulations.

1454
01:02:29.699 --> 01:02:30.599
Yeah.

1455
01:02:30.659 --> 01:02:32.579
Oh, wonderful.

1456
01:02:33.480 --> 01:02:35.039
Come on.

1457
01:02:35.039 --> 01:02:36.659
I really wanted to watch it.

1458
01:02:36.719 --> 01:02:38.460
It's gonna keep pressing.

1459
01:02:38.519 --> 01:02:45.420
So this, of course, is season five, episode six, and we have, of

1460
01:02:45.420 --> 01:02:50.760
course, just watched series five, episode 6 of Voyager as well.

1461
01:02:50.820 --> 01:02:52.380
Oh, shit, we have.

1462
01:02:52.440 --> 01:02:54.000
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1463
01:02:54.059 --> 01:02:56.760
So I think it's absolutely...

1464
01:02:56.760 --> 01:02:58.019
Which one's going to win?

1465
01:02:58.079 --> 01:03:00.420
out of the 2 of them because they're both bangers.

1466
01:03:00.480 --> 01:03:02.340
They're both really great, aren't they?

1467
01:03:02.340 --> 01:03:03.360
For completely different reasons.

1468
01:03:03.420 --> 01:03:05.340
Oh, yeah, no, we haven't do that.

1469
01:03:05.400 --> 01:03:09.059
Boy, you put a bomb in a triple in Cisco.

1470
01:03:09.119 --> 01:03:13.500
Tell me, Nathan, do they still sing songs of the great triple

1471
01:03:13.500 --> 01:03:14.639
hump?

1472
01:03:16.739 --> 01:03:20.519
I mean, I think regardless of anything, we'll have a lot of fun

1473
01:03:20.519 --> 01:03:20.940
with this.

1474
01:03:21.000 --> 01:03:22.440
It's brilliant.

1475
01:03:22.500 --> 01:03:23.099
It's superb.

1476
01:03:23.159 --> 01:03:24.539
It's one of my favourites.

1477
01:03:24.539 --> 01:03:27.239
Delivering his love letter to the original series.

1478
01:03:27.300 --> 01:03:28.739
Yeah, yeah.

1479
01:03:28.800 --> 01:03:30.480
Terry Farrell in that uniform.

1480
01:03:30.539 --> 01:03:31.739
I mean Jesus Christ.

1481
01:03:31.800 --> 01:03:32.820
Beautiful.

1482
01:03:33.000 --> 01:03:35.159
I'll just say one thing.

1483
01:03:35.340 --> 01:03:39.659
Do you remember this whole scene in Turbolift with Bashir?

1484
01:03:39.719 --> 01:03:40.079
Was it?

1485
01:03:40.139 --> 01:03:42.840
Maybe I'm supposed to go and meet her.

1486
01:03:42.900 --> 01:03:46.380
I've become my own going bang, my grandmother.

1487
01:03:49.440 --> 01:03:52.500
Now, that's a joke that Brannan would never write, all right?

1488
01:03:53.159 --> 01:03:54.840
He might.

1489
01:03:54.960 --> 01:04:01.139
Now, I realise I basically manipulated an abused randomiser there

1490
01:04:01.139 --> 01:04:04.920
to find something that I had pre-selected to watch.

1491
01:04:05.099 --> 01:04:07.260
It wouldn't be the 1st time.

1492
01:04:07.320 --> 01:04:11.579
I mean, we did watch kids these days a few weeks ago.

1493
01:04:11.639 --> 01:04:13.139
The 1st Strange New Worlds episode.

1494
01:04:13.199 --> 01:04:15.000
The Stranger Worlds episode, yeah.

1495
01:04:15.059 --> 01:04:16.019
It has happened before.

1496
01:04:16.079 --> 01:04:19.079
And I don't think anyone can really complain with us talking about

1497
01:04:19.079 --> 01:04:19.380
this.

1498
01:04:19.440 --> 01:04:22.320
I don't think so Okay, let's do it.

1499
01:04:22.380 --> 01:04:36.000
Well, to station K7 we go again. again You've been listening to

1500
01:04:36.000 --> 01:04:39.059
entitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford and Nathan Bottomley

1501
01:04:39.059 --> 01:04:42.539
where online at untitled Star Trek Project.com, where you can find

1502
01:04:42.539 --> 01:04:46.139
subscription links and links to our social media accounts.

1503
01:04:46.199 --> 01:04:49.199
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Ciceran, and the theme was

1504
01:04:49.199 --> 01:04:50.760
composed by Cameron Lamb.

1505
01:04:50.820 --> 01:04:55.139
This episode was recorded on the 31st of March 2026 and released

1506
01:04:55.139 --> 01:04:56.219
on the 3rd of April.

1507
01:04:56.280 --> 01:05:00.300
We'll see you next time for Star Trek Deep Space 9, trials and

1508
01:05:00.300 --> 01:05:01.380
tribulations.

1509
01:05:19.440 --> 01:05:21.599
Oh, sorry, I know that was a bit in Norway.

1510
01:05:22.199 --> 01:05:23.880
Oh, you wanted to leave.

1511
01:05:23.940 --> 01:05:31.199
I'm really tempted to use the same photo that I used for...

1512
01:05:31.260 --> 01:05:38.880
Astro. trolls. kind of chest deep in shribbles, you know, with, and

1513
01:05:38.880 --> 01:05:42.780
now that we know that it was Dax and Cisco throwing them.

1514
01:05:43.079 --> 01:05:47.219
She's just going like this over her shoulder.

1515
01:05:47.219 --> 01:05:48.000
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1516
01:05:48.059 --> 01:05:51.239
And then we cut and they're they're single ones for, yeah.

1517
01:05:51.480 --> 01:05:52.079
Do you know what I mean?

1518
01:05:52.199 --> 01:05:55.500
Like they've clearly gone, oh, maybe we could have maybe...

1519
01:05:55.559 --> 01:06:00.659
I be interested to see how the matting holds up with them in the

1520
01:06:00.659 --> 01:06:03.480
other scenes or whether it's just like terrible.

1521
01:06:03.599 --> 01:06:07.739
There's one or 2 that are a bit terrible, I have to say.

1522
01:06:08.099 --> 01:06:12.059
The one I always remember has been not too bad is them in the

1523
01:06:12.059 --> 01:06:15.420
corridor where they replace that guy.

1524
01:06:15.480 --> 01:06:18.300
I mean, we get to watch trouble tribles again.

1525
01:06:18.360 --> 01:06:19.500
That's going to be great.

1526
01:06:19.559 --> 01:06:20.519
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1527
01:06:20.579 --> 01:06:24.840
Now, the worst one is that they're in the kind of mess hall or

1528
01:06:24.840 --> 01:06:28.920
whatever, and Cisco's sitting at the table and he's been replaced

1529
01:06:28.920 --> 01:06:34.980
and the camera's moving across, and it doesn't quite, like, that's

1530
01:06:34.980 --> 01:06:35.639
probably the worst one.

1531
01:06:35.699 --> 01:06:37.679
I remember it being so funny.

1532
01:06:37.739 --> 01:06:39.780
Please be funny.

1533
01:06:39.840 --> 01:06:42.119
I haven't watched it for ages.

1534
01:06:42.119 --> 01:06:45.960
It's one of the ones that I have rewatched a bit because it is so

1535
01:06:45.960 --> 01:06:46.199
good.

1536
01:06:46.260 --> 01:06:48.300
It's just so much fun.

1537
01:06:48.360 --> 01:06:50.579
What did I say to Wolf?

1538
01:06:50.639 --> 01:06:53.280
You've got an earthy PT aroma.

1539
01:06:53.340 --> 01:06:55.199
With just a touch of lilac.

1540
01:06:55.260 --> 01:06:56.280
Lilac.

1541
01:06:56.340 --> 01:06:57.539
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1542
01:06:57.900 --> 01:07:00.239
Oh, yeah, good.

1543
01:07:00.300 --> 01:07:03.119
Don't they drag the actor back on Darville?

1544
01:07:03.119 --> 01:07:04.139
It's the same man, isn't it?

1545
01:07:04.199 --> 01:07:04.920
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1546
01:07:04.980 --> 01:07:05.579
It's the same guy.

1547
01:07:05.639 --> 01:07:07.019
Yeah, yeah, yeah. playing Barry.

1548
01:07:07.079 --> 01:07:07.739
Is it Barry?

1549
01:07:07.860 --> 01:07:09.360
Yeah, okay.

1550
01:07:09.420 --> 01:07:12.300
Well, there you go. have a little run of great naughty Trex

1551
01:07:12.300 --> 01:07:14.039
episodes before we head off somewhere else again.

1552
01:07:14.099 --> 01:07:15.000
Yeah, yeah, that's great.

1553
01:07:15.059 --> 01:07:15.900
That's free.

1554
01:07:15.960 --> 01:07:18.239
It's kind of like, oh, no, it isn't 3 because we hadn't.

1555
01:07:18.239 --> 01:07:18.900
What was before this?

1556
01:07:19.380 --> 01:07:21.300
Oh, no, we did the TOS one, didn't we?

1557
01:07:21.360 --> 01:07:23.039
shockingly bad one.

1558
01:07:23.099 --> 01:07:24.840
What was the last TNG one we did?

1559
01:07:25.260 --> 01:07:26.820
Hang on.

1560
01:07:26.880 --> 01:07:28.260
Oh, mate, I'm here on the site.

1561
01:07:28.320 --> 01:07:28.860
I can just look.

1562
01:07:32.400 --> 01:07:35.280
Uh, Rob Ross, homecoming.

1563
01:07:35.400 --> 01:07:36.960
Oh, devil's Jew.

1564
01:07:37.019 --> 01:07:37.800
Jesus Christ.

1565
01:07:37.860 --> 01:07:39.480
Oh, that was awesome.

1566
01:07:39.539 --> 01:07:40.980
Devil's Jew's great.

1567
01:07:41.039 --> 01:07:42.480
See, I was so right.

1568
01:07:42.539 --> 01:07:43.380
I was right about that.

1569
01:07:43.440 --> 01:07:45.780
Just scroll down a little bit.

1570
01:07:45.840 --> 01:07:48.780
Oh, God, we did fury before.

1571
01:07:48.840 --> 01:07:50.519
That was the last night's stroke before.

1572
01:07:51.000 --> 01:07:53.159
Oh, where the warrior?

1573
01:07:53.219 --> 01:07:54.059
Yeah, banger.

1574
01:07:54.480 --> 01:07:56.340
Thank you, Charles.

1575
01:07:57.420 --> 01:08:00.900
Yeah, Memorial, which we quite liked.

1576
01:08:00.960 --> 01:08:02.820
Oh, best of both of us.

1577
01:08:02.820 --> 01:08:05.099
We've done some pretty big ones lately.

1578
01:08:05.159 --> 01:08:07.980
We're going to have to start doing the sort of mediocre ones

1579
01:08:07.980 --> 01:08:08.400
aren't we?

1580
01:08:08.460 --> 01:08:10.139
Yeah, the Royale.

1581
01:08:10.139 --> 01:08:11.519
Twisted.

1582
01:08:11.639 --> 01:08:14.219
Oh, they're terrible.

1583
01:08:14.280 --> 01:08:17.340
Resurrection, you know, with mirror barile.

1584
01:08:17.399 --> 01:08:18.539
Oh my god.

1585
01:08:18.600 --> 01:08:19.319
Terrible.

1586
01:08:19.380 --> 01:08:23.039
Oh, there's Renee out of makeup for Oasis.

1587
01:08:23.100 --> 01:08:24.000
Oh, look at that.

1588
01:08:24.060 --> 01:08:25.560
Oh, these are the ones you do when you was here.

1589
01:08:25.619 --> 01:08:26.279
Field of Fire.

1590
01:08:26.340 --> 01:08:27.479
Hedgeon and me.

1591
01:08:27.600 --> 01:08:29.220
Arena.

1592
01:08:29.640 --> 01:08:32.279
Did we do make it now when you was here?

1593
01:08:32.340 --> 01:08:33.119
Was it afterwards?

1594
01:08:33.239 --> 01:08:34.979
No, you gone.

1595
01:08:35.039 --> 01:08:36.180
I think you'd gone then, didn't you?

1596
01:08:36.239 --> 01:08:36.720
Yeah.

1597
01:08:36.840 --> 01:08:37.920
Well, I can't remember.

1598
01:08:37.979 --> 01:08:38.640
Did we do?

1599
01:08:38.760 --> 01:08:39.960
Did we do the gone one together?

1600
01:08:40.020 --> 01:08:40.260
We did.

1601
01:08:40.319 --> 01:08:41.579
Yeah, we did.

1602
01:08:41.640 --> 01:08:42.840
We did all the gone ones together.

1603
01:08:42.899 --> 01:08:44.520
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1604
01:08:44.579 --> 01:08:48.840
And we watched the other gore episode where the blue man burst.

1605
01:08:48.899 --> 01:08:51.119
The last time, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1606
01:08:51.180 --> 01:08:53.760
All those who glister.

1607
01:08:53.819 --> 01:08:56.220
They're going to have to give us some more corn episodes.

1608
01:08:56.279 --> 01:08:57.779
We did it for the next time, though.

1609
01:08:57.840 --> 01:08:58.560
Otherwise.

1610
01:08:58.619 --> 01:09:00.899
Yeah, we didn't record that one because the only one we recorded

1611
01:09:00.899 --> 01:09:03.479
the 1st time I came over was some justice.

1612
01:09:03.600 --> 01:09:05.279
Oh, subspace rafters.

1613
01:09:05.340 --> 01:09:06.180
Oh, Dragon's teeth.

1614
01:09:06.239 --> 01:09:07.619
That was a bit average, wasn't it?

1615
01:09:07.680 --> 01:09:10.739
To the deaf, we were a bit so so on that.

1616
01:09:10.800 --> 01:09:11.640
We quite liked it.

1617
01:09:11.699 --> 01:09:12.720
Forsaken.

1618
01:09:12.779 --> 01:09:14.220
Oh, tapestry.

1619
01:09:14.279 --> 01:09:15.119
Oh, Atlas.

1620
01:09:15.180 --> 01:09:15.659
God.

1621
01:09:16.380 --> 01:09:18.960
It's a lottery, isn't it, this?

1622
01:09:19.439 --> 01:09:24.119
Oh, look, we did, we did do context is for Kings.

1623
01:09:25.680 --> 01:09:30.659
I realised that we were so out of sync with the sort of standard

1624
01:09:30.659 --> 01:09:35.399
Star Trek fan when I picked up the Gross and Altman, you know, the

1625
01:09:35.399 --> 01:09:40.560
2 experts around all the sort of Star Trek review books.

1626
01:09:40.560 --> 01:09:43.020
It sort of came out in the 90s.

1627
01:09:43.079 --> 01:09:47.279
They were sort of the big Star Trek reviewers, Edwin Gross and

1628
01:09:47.279 --> 01:09:48.060
Mark Altman.

1629
01:09:48.119 --> 01:09:52.680
And I'd sort of opened up and then they were given the empath 3.5

1630
01:09:52.680 --> 01:09:58.619
stars out of 4 and I was giving um, the turd monster one, Savage

1631
01:09:58.619 --> 01:10:01.079
Curtain, that was getting like 3 stars out of 4.

1632
01:10:01.199 --> 01:10:01.859
I'm like, 0 God.

1633
01:10:02.279 --> 01:10:05.640
You can't understand how people even think that's acceptable

1634
01:10:05.640 --> 01:10:06.239
television.

1635
01:10:06.300 --> 01:10:07.680
Like how did it even air?

1636
01:10:07.739 --> 01:10:08.939
Like nothing happens.

1637
01:10:09.000 --> 01:10:11.039
I just think we learned.

1638
01:10:11.100 --> 01:10:13.979
We learned last week that time, not last week.

1639
01:10:14.039 --> 01:10:18.840
We learned that evil people, the difference between good and evil

1640
01:10:18.840 --> 01:10:21.659
is that evil people run away at the end of the episode.

1641
01:10:21.960 --> 01:10:24.420
That was what we learned.

1642
01:10:24.479 --> 01:10:29.340
And smoking turds make bad television.

1643
01:10:29.399 --> 01:10:31.859
They do make bad television.

1644
01:10:31.920 --> 01:10:33.060
For other smoking tours.

1645
01:10:34.260 --> 01:10:35.880
So bad.

1646
01:10:35.939 --> 01:10:37.260
So terrible.