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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So, we're back with Star Trek Prodigy after a long break.

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It turns out we've done quite a few of the tent pole episodes of

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Star Trek Prodigy, not the beginning, but we've done the end of

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series one, the beginning of series 2.

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And this is the end of series 2 and the end of the entire series.

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It's Aura Boras, part one, and Ura Boras, part two, which is

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episodes 19 and 20 of season two, which dropped on Netflix on the

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1st of July 2024 along with the entirety of the rest of the

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season.

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Big day.

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So, Joe, tell me what you thought of it.

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Wow, why was it cancelled?

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Hmm?

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No, I'm asking you.

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Why was it cancelled?

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Okay?

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Because it was undeniably a superior show.

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I mean, she's right.

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Right?

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Like, Kate Mogoy is right.

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I was sitting there watching this finale going, Joe Ford 45 years

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old is having trouble keeping up with this. 6 years old.

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Oh, we have a fucking clue what's going on.

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I mean, I messaged you and my one line review was that was a

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really sophisticated bit of science fiction for moppets.

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I mean, Jesus Christ, you have got to keep your wits about you.

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Oh, it was great.

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I really enjoyed it.

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Like, um, maybe more plot heavy than I expect Kurtzman Trek to

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be.

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I usually expect there to be, you know, time for a group hug and

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you know, high school musical moment every now and again.

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But actually, episode one is just all go, the stakes are getting

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higher as we go.

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You know, people are doing hand to hand fighting and we're

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creating wormholes and there's everyone's doing their bit in the

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big space problem.

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And then at the end, a new threat comes in, my God, some great

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aliens from another dimensional, whatever, are coming through the

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wormhole, and it's all happening.

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But much like what you leave behind, once all the bangs and

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whistles are done, then there's time to say goodbye to sort of all

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the characters.

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Or let's say goodbye, actually, and more, let's get out there.

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Um, and I do have one issue with that 2nd episode, but that's more

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to do with the fact that the show's cancelled and less to do with

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the fact that it was a satisfying ending.

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But it's fastest.

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I mean, that's why there's no group hugs.

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You've only got 24 minutes in this 1st episode to, but explain to

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everybody that hasn't been watching this entire season, what the

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fuck is going on, and bravos to them, because they started talking

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about it, and I'll go, oh, what, eh, eh, what, and the idea after

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idea, sort of culminating in this heist plan, and I'm going, oh

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God almighty, how am I going to wrap my head around this?

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And then somebody, we'll see who it is when we watch it, goes, so

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what you're saying is that what we're doing is, and there's just

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summarised it all in a line.

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And I was like, oh, thank God this is for kids.

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Thank you.

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Jesus Christ.

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So it is very, very complicated and there's a massive time paradox

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which we saw.

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We didn't quite see kickoff, but which kicks off in episode 3 of

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this season, where instead of going to Taza Lamora, the proto star

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is launched with Chakotay and Drake on board.

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So it never goes to Tas Lamora and it just threatens the

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timeline.

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The whole show.

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Yeah, it threatens the whole premise of the show because the

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premise of the show is that they find the proto star on Tars

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Lamora.

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And so that time paradox is there.

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It's embodied in Gwyn, who is kind of half here and half not

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there.

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She constantly sort of phases out.

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She has to wear an armband to keep her in this sort of quantum

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reality or whatever.

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And so that's a thing.

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And so all of that's there in the background and it's just

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beautifully resolved here.

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And so we do have that long conversation.

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It's not technobabble in the sense of there's tech in brackets in

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the script and it doesn't matter what Michael Okuda comes up with

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to put in there.

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It's all stuff that kind of makes sense in the sort of context of

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the show.

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But then the episode is 2 characters have to climb a thing, another

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character has to beat up Jameela Jamil.

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They have to come up with an idea of how to create a wormhole.

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It's all very straightforward and very action-y and that's so

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exciting and so terrific.

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Yeah.

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If it was not, it would just be the second bubble.

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That's it.

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Well, that's right.

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But because they can do incredible action on this because it's

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animated.

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They can do whatever they want and the action is stunning.

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The settings are unbelievable.

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There's great peril, there's great jeopardy.

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There's gags, there's like fun moments.

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There's a wonderful bit where Murph puts his 2 hands and stretches

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himself out like silly putty and goes, boy, and throws the man

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across the room. was great.

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So good.

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And we both love the bit between...

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Oh, God, what?

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You're going to have to help me with the names again.

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Dow and the Tellarite.

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A park, Alan Park.

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Oh, fucking hell.

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Yeah, when he was about to start climbing the thing.

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I mean, the lines there are hilarious.

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Yeah.

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So all of that stuff's really fun and straightforward.

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The loomer established in the middle of this season and that's

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where we meet Wesley. those weird sort of jellyfish things that

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are coming through. yeah So they're essentially the reapers from

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Father's Day in Doctor Who.

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So they're here to clean up the timeline because there's a time

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paradox because the proto star never came back.

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And I think Wesley, in a way, he's still playing his traveller

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character, but he's playing it very in a very Doctor Who...

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Oh, he was fabulous.

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I mean, this Wesley I can get behind.

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He's really good.

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And in the middle scenes, he actually goes to a place where the

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travellers a retreat to, and it's basically the TARDIS, but also

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Gary Seven's office from assignment Earth.

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There was a wonderful beat, you know, where all sort of happening

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and everyone's sort of figuring out their beer. and you just see

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Wesley leaning very casually against the wall. and I'm like, man, 0

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man, there's a place for Wesley as a regular in Star Trek again

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isn't there?

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But not as irritating moppet he was back in TNG.

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Yeah, yeah.

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I'm glad Prodigy got him actually.

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Because I know they were all all for the Kurtzman shows were after

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Wesley, weren't they?

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And I know he appeared in Picard.

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And of course he did because that's where all the actors that he

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worked with before were.

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But I'm glad he got the most to do in this.

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Because he's really integral to this story.

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Yeah, yeah, he really is.

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And so all of that stuff just works really well.

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So the cliffhanger with the loom coming through the wormhole is

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amazing, but they resolve it sort of fairly straightforwardly at

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the beginning of the episode.

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And as you said, there's enough time.

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It's the same trick that they pull with lower decks that they pull

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with discovery where you have a substantial amount of time to get

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to know where the characters are going next.

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And I thought the ending worked incredibly well not just as a

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potential launching point for series 3, but as a place to leave

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these guys where they're off into space to have adventures.

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And that's exactly what we want on something that looks like the

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proto star, but is called the USS prodigy.

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And so we can imagine that show, even though we never get to see.

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I just could have done without the utopia Planacia. thing.

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One, because they just can't.

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It's a kids show and they just can't deal with that in a way that

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perhaps you would do on discovery or something like that. 2 is

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because it's like, 0 my god, this enormous threat to the

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Federation.

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We can't go out into space anymore.

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You know, it's the worst possible news.

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Anyway kids, there's your ship.

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Oh, you go and have fun.

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And totally, it's very strange.

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I was like, what?

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It's a very kids show resolution, I think, which is adorable.

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Like, I do think that that works very well.

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You leave the Federation to deal with all of that nonsense and you

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get out of space.

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But you remember that that's the backstory for Star Trek Picard.

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And so we saw that short trek that we did, children of Mars

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leading into Picard, that that's the backstory of Picard, the

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Romulan, the Romulan rescue, all of that stuff will be dealt

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with.

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So that gets introduced.

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And I think what it does is that it brings prodigy into the fold.

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So instead of being this marginal thing that doesn't have much to

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do with the rest of Star Trek, except maybe Voyager, it becomes

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this inherent integral part of Kurtzman Trek, because the big

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event, the big historical event of Kurtzman Trek happens to them

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and that changes the show.

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And, of course, we've since seen the show roped into Starfleet

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Academy by having the Bricar student, the Male Bricar student in

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the academy, who we get to see.

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And of course, Sam mentioning Dal and Gwynn and Murph to the

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doctor as well in that 1st episode.

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Oh, the MVP of Star Trek project.

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Yeah, that's right.

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So I love the fact that that that now means that when the kids are

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a bit older, they they own that part of Star Trek history, I

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think.

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There was a lovely moment between Dow and Wesley, uh, where he

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thinks he's talking about, oh, this is why we had to be together

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for now, for this, and Wesley Costa, you idiot, you know, for the

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future, for all those adventures, Tsakami goes, and it's amazing

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and it's terrifying.

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And just in that one exchange.

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There.

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There's the rest of those seasons of prodigy that really, we're

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never going to say, unfortunately, because the Netflix banner or

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whatever, Kate Mongrew said, that's just it's fallen now.

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What I thought was really quite impressive was the unearned

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celebration of the show towards the end of the 2nd episode where

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it started flashing through all the adventures they'd had.

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We've only had 2 seasons with these kids.

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Like we've only had like what, 30 episodes and 30, 40?

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Okay, 40 half an hour episodes.

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It ain't a lot of telly, right?

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It's 20 hours a telly.

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And yet I was really moved.

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It was showing all the moments of how they connected and how they

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made friends and become a community and then worked together and

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then face problems and it wasn't like something like what you

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leave behind, which has got 179 hours behind it.

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And I've spent, you know, and I'm in floods of fucking tears as

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they were all saying goodbye to each other.

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But I was moved by it.

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And I was like, okay, they definitely have got something here

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because I'm feeling emotions for these people.

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And I barely watched any of this once, you know?

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Yeah, I was quite impressed.

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I have now watched it all the way through.

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So I had a few saved up as well because I couldn't really bear for

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it to end.

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And so I did watch the last few episodes leading up to this.

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So I've now seen it all, but some of it I haven't seen for a long

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time.

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And seeing how far they'd come because one thing that it does pack

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into those 40 episodes is just a massive number of huge changes to

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the premise that things change and move on, they learn, they

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develop, I don't think you would have noticed, but there's a bit

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where 0 has a physical body.

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Um, he's the green guy in the flashback that you won't have

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recognised that was 0 for a few episodes.

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We get Magel, the new Vulcan character.

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Dal changes as a person and develops and grows.

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You know, like, and going back to see them.

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There's even that little scene at the beginning where, um, the, the

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comb badge gets, um, picked up when they 1st appear on the Bridge

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of the protostar, where you hear, um, where you hear rock growling

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and and Dow calling him Fella, because he's never spoken to her

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yet and doesn't know that she's a little girl and just all of the

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changes, all of the things that they've been through together.

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So I did find that really moving because just a lot had happened

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to them.

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That's sort of incremental changes, but there are fundamental

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changes as well.

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Like, my view of the show when we did the one of the early ones

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was that this was going to be about those moppets on the protostar

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just exploring a new region, the space.

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That's what it feels like in the 1st couple of episodes, or that

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we're heading towards, that they're going to, you know, hologram

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Jane Way is going to teach them.

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I had no inkling that we were going to get back to earth by the

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end of that 1st season.

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And then by the end of the 2nd season, we're going to be twisting

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timelines around and setting up the entire fucking series from the

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end.

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Like, do you know what I mean?

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So fundamentally the premise. of the show changes in a way that

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Star Trek shows, maybe discovery aside, even DS 9.

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It's still sit on the station.

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It's still the same regulars.

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They change the political landscape, but that's a different show

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in season two.

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It's got all those Voyager regulars coming in and stuff, you know

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it's, it is, they basically rewrite the whole thing.

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And it's not because that 1st year didn't work.

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It's because, well, we've done that.

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Now let's do this.

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Yeah, so where would they have gone with three?

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Who knows?

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So the 1st year actually changes substantially midway through

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where they discover that they have the living construct on board

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the protostar, which will destroy the federation if it comes into

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contact with it, and so they can no longer fulfil their mission of

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joining the federation and now they're tasked to protect it.

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And that's the point at which real Janeway, where Admiral Janeway

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gets introduced as a character, and all of those additional

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characters like Asencia, like, um, Thisus, like Noom, you know

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like all of those additional characters, uh, get introduced at

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that point.

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And then we lose Janeway, you know, at the end of series one.

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We lose Hologram Janeway at the end of series one, then we get her

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back in the middle of series 2.

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And like all of these changes, all of these things happen.

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They remember Deadlock, Nathan.

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They remember deadlock and go, my God, if you have double the

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shame weight, it's even better, you know, right?

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So we have to end game.

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Yeah, yeah.

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It's literally the endgame thing where one of the Janeways

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sacrifices herself to destroy this.

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Kate Bobra isn't enough, you know?

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It's never enough.

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It's not enough.

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Yeah, I mean, I suppose my sort of backhanded.

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This is backhanded towards some next generation, unfortunately for

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you, is that there is actually less hours of prodigy than there

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was in TNG season one.

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And yet somehow within that time, they managed to develop more

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than TNG managed in 7 seasons.

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Bravo prodigy.

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And a bunch of movies as well, in fact.

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But you know, they're doing different things.

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They are absolutely doing different things.

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But I mean, I do, I like a show that shifts about.

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I like a show that is unpredictable, you know?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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No, it's really good.

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And it still has time for little single individual episodes, little

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adventures that are more or less self-contained.

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We did one, didn't we?

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We did one which was totally, I mean, it felt like a kiddie show

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one of the sort of individual ones that we did.

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Yeah, but it does feel like whatever they're doing.

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I mean, I thought the opening 2 were extraordinary.

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Like, I mean, that was amazing.

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You know, I did enjoy the opening 2 of Academy, but like I said to

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you, I was a bit disappointed that it wound up becoming your

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average Star Trek by the end of it.

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There was no sense of that in those opening 2 prodigies.

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I mean, it was, we were in new territory there and I was like

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bloody hell.

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What's this?

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You know, for the moppy.

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It's amazing, is it?

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Well, what do you think?

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Should we go in?

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Well, I mean, I'm glad we've done a lot of the talking now because

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it's so fast, we won't be able to talk about everything that's on

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the screen.

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It'll be done in 50 minutes.

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Boom, go.

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No, that's true.

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That's true.

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All right.

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Okay.

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I will count it in.

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Five, four, three, two, one, and we're off.

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So we get the, um, the eye dent, and you can see Tas Lamora, like

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in the background of the eye.

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Oh, it's the sexiest.

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It looks like that fabulous nebula from Next Generation, doesn't

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it?

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you know?

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being sophisticated.

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It's funny, isn't it?

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Because the proto star is in the opening titles and it's usually

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important and stuff, but it's actually sort of largely absent from

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the beginning of series too, because they blow it up at the end of

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series one.

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Now, you know, I couldn't always tell you, Nathan, what all the

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various theme tunes are from Coast and Trek, even though I think

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they're all pretty great.

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But if you started going, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da

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da, da, da, da, da, I'll do it, no, straight away, it was

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prodigy.

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It's a great theme.

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It's such a great set of titles too, isn't it?

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Well, it's just pretty, isn't it?

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I could just look at the images here.

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Beautiful.

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It's rare.

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I want to drag myself away from your face, but look at those

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images.

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I mean, they're very pretty.

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I mean, it's the Voyager titles, isn't it?

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But all of the elements that they fly past are parts of the main

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characters.

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You know, they're just going through Pog's hand there and we're

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about to see hologram Janeway.

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Oh, well, there's some, there's Gwyn.

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Which I think is great.

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You know, it is about those characters. of lovely sort of primary

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colours as well, isn't it?

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It sort of pops.

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Like a kid show should, you know?

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Yeah.

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But like I just think the look of it is like nothing that we've

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ever seen in Star Trek and it's stunningly...

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Lower decks has as pretty as it can be.

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It has that sort of 90s trek aesthetic to it, doesn't it?

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Whereas this, I said to you, this feels more to me like Star Wars

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Star Wars, at his best.

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Yeah.

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Oh, yeah.

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And I think that that's what it's trying to do, isn't it?

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But I think we said that before.

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It's the answer to things like the clone wars or Rebels. did

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nobody watch it then?

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Is that why it came off?

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I don't know.

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I don't know.

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So we go straight in.

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We don't get an extraordinary aerial shot of that. whatever that

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is.

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It's amazing, isn't it?

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So, um, so Asencia has taken over.

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We've just had a sort of two-particle ascension, and she's been

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able to build all of these ships with some technology that, I

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don't know, she got from Wesley or something, which enabled her to

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grow them in these bubbles that where time moved really quick, and

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so that's how come she's got all of these ships and stuff.

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It doesn't matter because it's Shamila Chamil being camp and

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brilliant. in the role as well, you know?

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You remember her backstory.

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Her and Gwendala's father, the diviner, went back in time in order

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to prevent 1st contact with a federation, which had destroyed

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their planet.

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And what's got a simple storyline in this, have they?

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It never, no, it's always back in time.

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And so you remember that she meets her father at the beginning of

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series 2, a younger version of her father who.

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We watched that at the time yet.

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Yeah, we did.

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And that's the character that we're left with.

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In fact, at the end of this, her father isn't the great diviner

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there he is in shot on board the on board Voyager.

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He is a good guy.

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And so we get to fix her father.

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She gets to have a proper relationship with her father where

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before it was a problem, the relationship.

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I'll be trying to pretend to me that Chakotay has got to look that

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good after Voyager, where you already saw where he was heading

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okay?

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He starts dyeing his hair again, which is a little hedgehog

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sitting on Rocktox's back.

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I don't know that is.

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So that's bribble.

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There was an episode called a triple called Quest, and they land

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on a planet where there's large, genetically engineered tribble.

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Oh, it's a triple...

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Yeah, yeah, no, it's half tribble, half brick car.

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So it has some of her DNA in it, which is why it's got her

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colouring.

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And so it's a little cute fluffy monster because Murph is clearly

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a graduated into a cold-blooded killer at this point.

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I mean, although an adorable cold-blooded killer.

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I did love how everyone got something to do in this episode

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right?

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Our everybody's sort of individual strengths are used and everyone

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gets a sort of line.

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But then I remembered how much I loved all these characters

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right?

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And I know we've just had how many episodes this season.

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Was it 20 episodes this season?

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So we've had individual episodes and everyone's had their moment.

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But I'm just like, God, I want to spend more time with 0 than

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this.

460
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I want to spend more time.

461
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But that's that's good, right?

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It's good that I'm not getting enough rather than I'm getting too

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much.

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So there's that one moment where Wesley says we've got to get this

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done before the loom come through and destroys us all and

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Janeway's line is, let's try and avoid that, Mr. Mr. Crusher.

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That's really great.

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It was just great to hear Kate Mulberry say, crusher.

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I was like, yeah, thank you.

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So good.

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So that.

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So that, that, that communicator, the old-fashioned communicator

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that Dal picks up and has in his hand and that he puts on his

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uniform for this episode.

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That's the robberos because that that never gets created.

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He picks it up there.

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He picked it up in episode one.

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He he took it with him, and now in episode 39, he puts it on again

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at the end of at the end of this episode.

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No, at the beginning of the next episode, he will put it back on

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the seat where he picks it up.

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We're doing time Zara again and again and again and this, aren't

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we?

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But it's also the entire show because what they discover is

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because they're going, well, we've got to correct the error.

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This should never have happened.

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We need to work out how to get the product, the protostar back

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onto Tars Lamora.

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But it turns out they realise that they were the ones who did this

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all along.

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Yeah.

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Jesus, we haven't actually set up the TV show yet.

493
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We better do it now.

494
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Yeah, yeah, but it's not we've got to get it right.

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We know it's going to end up when wrong. because we're here.

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This was what always happened.

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This was not always happened.

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This is how it was.

499
00:23:15.180 --> 00:23:16.380
It didn't go wrong.

500
00:23:16.380 --> 00:23:17.339
This was it.

501
00:23:17.400 --> 00:23:21.359
The simple fact that we are here in this episode means we got it

502
00:23:21.359 --> 00:23:21.720
right.

503
00:23:22.200 --> 00:23:28.859
And, and, you know, they've, they don't know where it comes from

504
00:23:28.859 --> 00:23:30.119
when they 1st made it.

505
00:23:30.180 --> 00:23:31.440
There's that big mystery.

506
00:23:31.500 --> 00:23:33.180
Where does the proto-star come from?

507
00:23:33.240 --> 00:23:35.819
And the answer is they put it there.

508
00:23:35.880 --> 00:23:38.339
Yeah. and and that's brilliant.

509
00:23:38.400 --> 00:23:39.359
So they create themselves.

510
00:23:39.420 --> 00:23:40.500
It's not just luck.

511
00:23:40.559 --> 00:23:41.819
It's bravery.

512
00:23:41.940 --> 00:23:48.299
Yeah, it's their bravery and ingenuity that ends up being the

513
00:23:48.299 --> 00:23:51.180
reason that they end up on board the protostar.

514
00:23:51.240 --> 00:23:51.960
It's wonderful.

515
00:23:52.019 --> 00:23:52.980
I just think it's.

516
00:23:53.099 --> 00:23:54.839
That's like a circular bit of plotting.

517
00:23:54.900 --> 00:23:58.200
This then works as a 2 series show, doesn't it?

518
00:23:58.259 --> 00:23:59.160
Yeah.

519
00:23:59.220 --> 00:24:02.579
With them at the end, you know, there's your gift.

520
00:24:02.640 --> 00:24:04.140
You've actually set up the show.

521
00:24:04.259 --> 00:24:08.700
You've managed to make it, so the show we've had exists.

522
00:24:08.759 --> 00:24:10.079
Now, here's the ship.

523
00:24:10.140 --> 00:24:10.680
Off you go.

524
00:24:10.740 --> 00:24:12.059
It's really great.

525
00:24:12.119 --> 00:24:13.319
Yeah, it's wonderful.

526
00:24:13.380 --> 00:24:14.099
I just think it's great.

527
00:24:14.160 --> 00:24:15.059
Loudly, yeah.

528
00:24:15.119 --> 00:24:17.279
That looks very intimidating, doesn't it?

529
00:24:17.339 --> 00:24:18.180
They're scary.

530
00:24:18.240 --> 00:24:23.220
There's a, there's a big, there's a big episode where they have to

531
00:24:23.220 --> 00:24:26.940
fight one of those and it looks...

532
00:24:27.000 --> 00:24:29.160
It was made out of sort of clay slaps.

533
00:24:29.160 --> 00:24:29.759
Lego.

534
00:24:31.200 --> 00:24:35.279
So that, like, so one of those is going through one of those

535
00:24:35.279 --> 00:24:38.460
wormholes to get to earth.

536
00:24:38.519 --> 00:24:42.000
And when those wormholes close, they'll actually break those ships

537
00:24:42.000 --> 00:24:43.920
in half because the ships are halfway through.

538
00:24:43.980 --> 00:24:48.660
Did you notice how pleasingly stately that Voyager sort of ducked

539
00:24:48.660 --> 00:24:49.380
and dived there?

540
00:24:49.380 --> 00:24:52.140
It was like we were back on Voyager there for a second.

541
00:24:52.200 --> 00:24:52.680
Very nice.

542
00:24:52.799 --> 00:24:53.519
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

543
00:24:53.579 --> 00:24:58.319
I like Jake Ware going. is our only hope to get us through this

544
00:24:58.319 --> 00:24:58.799
you know?

545
00:24:58.859 --> 00:24:59.880
Of course.

546
00:25:00.839 --> 00:25:03.480
No one's getting out of here on my watch.

547
00:25:03.539 --> 00:25:05.759
This is great where she just goes through it and just sort of

548
00:25:05.759 --> 00:25:06.660
torpedoes.

549
00:25:06.660 --> 00:25:09.359
Just for ducking and diving from the alms and things.

550
00:25:10.079 --> 00:25:12.000
Not too quickly, no.

551
00:25:12.000 --> 00:25:14.039
Well, you know, we now see the detail.

552
00:25:14.099 --> 00:25:16.619
Look, now these are these robots.

553
00:25:16.680 --> 00:25:17.220
What are they called?

554
00:25:17.279 --> 00:25:19.019
The scorpions and that.

555
00:25:19.079 --> 00:25:20.279
Oh, I don't know.

556
00:25:20.339 --> 00:25:22.019
But they were in episode one, weren't they?

557
00:25:22.079 --> 00:25:23.099
We haven't seen them for long time.

558
00:25:23.160 --> 00:25:28.140
That is the strongest Star Wars visual signature I'm getting.

559
00:25:28.140 --> 00:25:29.759
Because he looks like grievous, doesn't he?

560
00:25:29.819 --> 00:25:31.200
That sort of...

561
00:25:31.319 --> 00:25:31.680
Yeah, yeah.

562
00:25:31.740 --> 00:25:32.579
Oh, Dreadnaught?

563
00:25:32.640 --> 00:25:32.880
Yeah.

564
00:25:32.940 --> 00:25:33.599
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

565
00:25:33.660 --> 00:25:33.960
Yeah.

566
00:25:34.019 --> 00:25:34.920
Yeah, absolutely.

567
00:25:35.640 --> 00:25:37.619
The thing about this too.

568
00:25:37.680 --> 00:25:40.740
So we're explaining this is us explaining the entire premise of

569
00:25:40.740 --> 00:25:41.039
the show.

570
00:25:41.099 --> 00:25:42.359
Do you know what I mean?

571
00:25:42.420 --> 00:25:45.900
This is them finally coming to the conclusion that the wormhole

572
00:25:45.900 --> 00:25:48.359
they have to create was always the wormhole they created.

573
00:25:48.420 --> 00:25:51.660
And, you know, he or she's explaining the backstory to them.

574
00:25:51.720 --> 00:25:54.960
Uh, and I guess Wesley doesn't know it or something.

575
00:25:55.019 --> 00:25:58.319
I like the fact that they sort of cut through all the technobabble

576
00:25:58.319 --> 00:26:03.000
but I just showing a visual of all the wormholes coming together

577
00:26:03.000 --> 00:26:05.160
and then there's one big hole in the middle.

578
00:26:05.220 --> 00:26:08.039
And I was like, okay, I understand what you're doing.

579
00:26:08.339 --> 00:26:09.720
Exactly.

580
00:26:09.779 --> 00:26:12.180
And also it's just visually stunning.

581
00:26:12.240 --> 00:26:16.259
Those scenes on the holodeck with those 3 dimensional displays and

582
00:26:16.259 --> 00:26:16.859
stuff look great.

583
00:26:16.859 --> 00:26:19.079
And so does these.

584
00:26:19.140 --> 00:26:24.480
All of it. all of it looks fabulous There's just an epic sense for

585
00:26:24.480 --> 00:26:25.380
the visuals, isn't there?

586
00:26:25.440 --> 00:26:26.700
Yeah.

587
00:26:26.759 --> 00:26:27.420
Oh, yeah.

588
00:26:27.480 --> 00:26:29.220
Yeah, it just looks incredible.

589
00:26:29.279 --> 00:26:34.140
I just think Star Trek has never looked quite...

590
00:26:34.200 --> 00:26:37.980
He stretches his massive long arms and...

591
00:26:38.039 --> 00:26:42.839
I think that's why they give him the arms in the middle of the...

592
00:26:42.900 --> 00:26:46.680
The bit where he throws the man like an elastic band is very

593
00:26:46.680 --> 00:26:46.920
funny.

594
00:26:47.099 --> 00:26:51.240
Oh, now Janeway's being very mean to Shikotay here.

595
00:26:51.299 --> 00:26:53.759
Yeah, the hell is wrong with you?

596
00:26:53.819 --> 00:26:54.960
He goes, you've been on me all day.

597
00:26:55.559 --> 00:26:57.000
Yeah.

598
00:26:57.059 --> 00:27:02.700
And so Chakotay spends 10 years aboard the proto star with

599
00:27:02.700 --> 00:27:04.500
Hologram Janeway.

600
00:27:04.500 --> 00:27:08.099
In one, I think, is their kind of do over of resolution.

601
00:27:08.160 --> 00:27:10.259
And so they're clearly banging.

602
00:27:11.039 --> 00:27:12.539
This is a huge feature now.

603
00:27:12.599 --> 00:27:13.319
Chakotay.

604
00:27:13.380 --> 00:27:14.880
I'm finally over the monkey.

605
00:27:14.940 --> 00:27:15.359
Okay.

606
00:27:15.420 --> 00:27:16.440
I'm ready to come.

607
00:27:18.059 --> 00:27:23.220
But what I like too is we know that her program's too big because

608
00:27:23.220 --> 00:27:25.859
she goes down with a proto star, doesn't she?

609
00:27:25.920 --> 00:27:29.099
Like, she goes down with a protostar at the end of series one in a

610
00:27:29.099 --> 00:27:30.420
really moving scene.

611
00:27:30.480 --> 00:27:34.140
She gets to give a great speech at the end, and now we find a way

612
00:27:34.140 --> 00:27:35.099
out of it.

613
00:27:35.160 --> 00:27:39.779
So she gets to be on board the USS prodigy at the end, mentoring

614
00:27:39.779 --> 00:27:43.259
the kids as they head off as well.

615
00:27:43.319 --> 00:27:46.380
Yeah, but she just has to make the decision in episode 2 and just

616
00:27:46.380 --> 00:27:47.700
sort of reset.

617
00:27:47.759 --> 00:27:48.480
Yeah.

618
00:27:48.539 --> 00:27:50.099
And she just does it like that.

619
00:27:50.160 --> 00:27:52.799
Like, she just literally, you know, this is what I got to do.

620
00:27:52.859 --> 00:27:57.599
And obviously they have found the loophole so she can exist, but

621
00:27:57.599 --> 00:28:02.039
obviously she has to be there at the start without any information

622
00:28:02.039 --> 00:28:04.680
about any of the mopping. the show don't work.

623
00:28:04.980 --> 00:28:09.900
Like, there's so many ways this couldn't have works, you know?

624
00:28:09.960 --> 00:28:11.099
They get it.

625
00:28:11.099 --> 00:28:12.180
They do get it right.

626
00:28:12.240 --> 00:28:16.140
They managed to dot every eye across every T. Well done.

627
00:28:16.559 --> 00:28:21.539
And so, and so we have Magel too. who's the Vulcan that joins

628
00:28:21.539 --> 00:28:21.779
them.

629
00:28:21.839 --> 00:28:25.380
We did meet her at the beginning of the series too.

630
00:28:25.440 --> 00:28:26.099
Yeah.

631
00:28:26.160 --> 00:28:27.599
She's Migel.

632
00:28:27.660 --> 00:28:28.980
She's got an apostrophe.

633
00:28:29.039 --> 00:28:34.859
She's smidge apostrophe L. And of course, we have Talin, who is

634
00:28:34.859 --> 00:28:38.400
the Vulcan who joins the lower decks crew during the course of its

635
00:28:38.400 --> 00:28:39.059
run as well.

636
00:28:39.119 --> 00:28:42.720
I just love hugging this totally alien crew in prodigy.

637
00:28:42.779 --> 00:28:44.880
You know, everyone looks so distinctive.

638
00:28:45.180 --> 00:28:49.740
It really does make enterprise look like a back alley, doesn't

639
00:28:49.740 --> 00:28:49.859
it?

640
00:28:50.279 --> 00:28:52.200
It does see that?

641
00:28:52.259 --> 00:28:53.099
boring.

642
00:28:54.480 --> 00:28:57.240
Even Wesley looks a bit dishevelled.

643
00:28:57.359 --> 00:28:58.680
Yeah.

644
00:28:58.799 --> 00:29:03.539
And again, temporal mechanics 101 is a running gag.

645
00:29:03.599 --> 00:29:04.380
There's an episode.

646
00:29:04.440 --> 00:29:10.440
The season starts with, um, um, Dale has to read temporal

647
00:29:10.440 --> 00:29:12.960
mechanics 101 and he doesn't understand it and he doesn't want to

648
00:29:12.960 --> 00:29:17.460
do it and then it ends with him ready to ace temporal mechanics

649
00:29:17.460 --> 00:29:21.359
201 or because he's already been through all of this person.

650
00:29:21.359 --> 00:29:21.960
Oh, here we go.

651
00:29:21.960 --> 00:29:22.799
That visual there.

652
00:29:22.859 --> 00:29:24.660
Yeah, the wormholes coming together.

653
00:29:24.720 --> 00:29:28.019
And a massive, that all makes sense.

654
00:29:28.079 --> 00:29:30.480
Yeah, one...

655
00:29:30.539 --> 00:29:33.480
Did you know what was the best kiss to the pass, I thought, in

656
00:29:33.480 --> 00:29:33.960
this?

657
00:29:34.200 --> 00:29:37.559
I don't know if you noticed, but Wesley's wearing that orange jump

658
00:29:37.559 --> 00:29:40.859
off from series one of the next generation.

659
00:29:40.920 --> 00:29:44.099
Do you remember that dreadful orange jumper he used to wear?

660
00:29:44.160 --> 00:29:45.180
Jacket?

661
00:29:45.240 --> 00:29:46.440
It is that it's that one.

662
00:29:47.099 --> 00:29:51.900
I love this line where rock picks it picks him up because, yes, you

663
00:29:51.900 --> 00:29:52.440
can put me down.

664
00:29:52.500 --> 00:29:53.700
Yeah, oh, yeah.

665
00:29:53.819 --> 00:29:55.619
Look at this.

666
00:29:55.680 --> 00:29:57.180
I mean, we're doing it.

667
00:29:57.240 --> 00:30:00.420
I mean, when you want scale, have someone climb something and have

668
00:30:00.420 --> 00:30:02.160
electricity coming all around them.

669
00:30:02.220 --> 00:30:03.960
Yeah, looks amazing.

670
00:30:04.019 --> 00:30:05.099
It doesn't.

671
00:30:05.099 --> 00:30:06.839
Oh, we've missed the line, haven't we?

672
00:30:06.960 --> 00:30:09.660
When he says, come on, let's do it.

673
00:30:09.720 --> 00:30:14.400
Oh, so we're explaining what the thing is, and we discovered that

674
00:30:14.400 --> 00:30:17.640
we have to come up here where there's a console to input the

675
00:30:17.640 --> 00:30:18.420
coordinates.

676
00:30:18.420 --> 00:30:22.079
And Pog just says, well, that doesn't sound very convenient or

677
00:30:22.079 --> 00:30:22.980
something like that.

678
00:30:23.400 --> 00:30:25.380
Okay thanks.

679
00:30:25.440 --> 00:30:26.700
You're right.

680
00:30:26.759 --> 00:30:28.619
I've got to climb up.

681
00:30:29.400 --> 00:30:30.180
Don't tell me that.

682
00:30:30.480 --> 00:30:31.019
He goes, why?

683
00:30:31.079 --> 00:30:31.740
the truth.

684
00:30:31.799 --> 00:30:33.059
He goes, it's the truth.

685
00:30:33.839 --> 00:30:35.940
It's suicide.

686
00:30:36.000 --> 00:30:36.480
Sorry, mate.

687
00:30:36.660 --> 00:30:39.359
Yeah, I love pop.

688
00:30:39.420 --> 00:30:40.019
So that's right.

689
00:30:40.079 --> 00:30:43.019
Now, now, that happens now where he says, no, now you have to

690
00:30:43.019 --> 00:30:44.759
climb up there because remember, okay.

691
00:30:44.819 --> 00:30:46.019
Yeah.

692
00:30:46.079 --> 00:30:48.960
So the other thing that happens to remember is that one of the...

693
00:30:49.079 --> 00:30:49.920
Oh, so this too.

694
00:30:49.980 --> 00:30:53.700
So there's been a thing over the last few episodes about Gwyn and

695
00:30:53.700 --> 00:30:58.680
Dow, and Gwyn gets given an away mission that she's in charge of

696
00:30:58.680 --> 00:31:03.539
and he's kind of been crushing on her from the beginning of the

697
00:31:03.539 --> 00:31:03.960
season.

698
00:31:04.079 --> 00:31:07.619
But what it ends up being is just this admiration for her.

699
00:31:07.680 --> 00:31:11.220
And there's a lovely moment where Chakotay is talking, I think

700
00:31:11.220 --> 00:31:15.059
about Voyager arriving or possibly the proto star and saying, isn't

701
00:31:15.059 --> 00:31:20.579
she beautiful, but Dal's looking at Gwyn through the binoculars

702
00:31:20.579 --> 00:31:22.140
and he says, yes, she is.

703
00:31:22.200 --> 00:31:26.279
And so that ending, which I just think is stunningly good.

704
00:31:26.339 --> 00:31:29.640
Like, I just think that ending is so good, so perfect, and we'll

705
00:31:29.640 --> 00:31:30.660
talk about it when we get there.

706
00:31:30.720 --> 00:31:33.480
Dow's ending, like the end of his arc.

707
00:31:33.539 --> 00:31:37.140
Just like her saying the mission comes 1st because it's what

708
00:31:37.140 --> 00:31:38.880
they've learned in the 2 years, you know?

709
00:31:38.940 --> 00:31:40.019
Yeah, yeah.

710
00:31:40.140 --> 00:31:43.259
Yeah, no, she had a mission that was disastrous.

711
00:31:43.319 --> 00:31:45.720
It didn't go well and she was beating herself up about it.

712
00:31:45.779 --> 00:31:48.599
Yeah, so he's establishing...

713
00:31:48.660 --> 00:31:52.079
This is an amazing hand-to-hand fight that you get between the 2

714
00:31:52.079 --> 00:31:52.559
women.

715
00:31:52.619 --> 00:31:54.059
I mean, you know me.

716
00:31:54.119 --> 00:31:55.559
I love 2 women going at each other.

717
00:31:55.619 --> 00:31:57.059
That's why I love Buff so much.

718
00:31:57.299 --> 00:31:59.160
Yeah, yeah.

719
00:31:59.220 --> 00:32:03.960
But now they've got the ability to put in all of those settings

720
00:32:03.960 --> 00:32:05.400
and backgrounds behind them.

721
00:32:05.460 --> 00:32:06.420
It looks incredible.

722
00:32:06.480 --> 00:32:07.740
It's amazing.

723
00:32:07.799 --> 00:32:09.059
It looks so good.

724
00:32:09.119 --> 00:32:13.619
And, you know, that's the thing that's creating the wormholes and

725
00:32:13.619 --> 00:32:16.619
we saw it in the opening shot where we had the drone shot flying

726
00:32:16.619 --> 00:32:16.980
over it.

727
00:32:17.099 --> 00:32:18.059
Yeah, this this thing.

728
00:32:18.119 --> 00:32:23.220
We was very complimentary about the big sphere, the archer fights

729
00:32:23.220 --> 00:32:27.420
on in Enterprise at the end of season three, but now please just

730
00:32:27.420 --> 00:32:28.440
compare and contrast.

731
00:32:28.500 --> 00:32:30.059
How far would come in 20 years?

732
00:32:30.119 --> 00:32:31.559
Yeah, yeah.

733
00:32:31.619 --> 00:32:33.240
Looks, looks amazing.

734
00:32:33.359 --> 00:32:33.900
Yeah, there you go.

735
00:32:33.960 --> 00:32:34.980
We've got a loose connection.

736
00:32:35.039 --> 00:32:36.900
There's lightning everywhere.

737
00:32:36.960 --> 00:32:41.940
There's things whipping about the place I think solem just looks

738
00:32:41.940 --> 00:32:47.220
great as a planet when we saw Gwyn on solem in episodes one and 2

739
00:32:47.220 --> 00:32:48.119
of this season.

740
00:32:48.180 --> 00:32:48.960
It just looked great.

741
00:32:49.019 --> 00:32:52.319
I... bloody dreadlock...

742
00:32:52.380 --> 00:32:53.279
It doesn't look great.

743
00:32:53.339 --> 00:32:54.900
With a huge scorpion tail.

744
00:32:54.960 --> 00:32:58.079
Oh, here he goes. now.

745
00:32:59.460 --> 00:33:01.319
Is it him though?

746
00:33:01.380 --> 00:33:03.420
bounces off. very funny.

747
00:33:03.539 --> 00:33:05.519
Yeah, it is.

748
00:33:05.579 --> 00:33:07.500
And there's that moment at the end.

749
00:33:07.559 --> 00:33:10.500
There's a really touching moment and they give it to Pog.

750
00:33:10.559 --> 00:33:14.339
Like the emotional moment they actually give to Pog, where both of

751
00:33:14.339 --> 00:33:15.119
them fall down.

752
00:33:15.180 --> 00:33:19.380
Like Dreadnock and Murph fall down into a thing and you think, oh

753
00:33:19.380 --> 00:33:20.279
shit, are they gone?

754
00:33:20.700 --> 00:33:22.079
And then Dreadnock's head appears.

755
00:33:22.140 --> 00:33:24.180
And then it's Murphy's got the head.

756
00:33:24.240 --> 00:33:25.440
Oh, that was a great trip.

757
00:33:27.059 --> 00:33:28.980
That was the line.

758
00:33:29.039 --> 00:33:31.619
He went, it's going to bounce your particles for the next

759
00:33:31.619 --> 00:33:32.160
century.

760
00:33:32.220 --> 00:33:34.079
He goes, I'm going to pretend you didn't say that.

761
00:33:34.140 --> 00:33:34.799
He goes, why?

762
00:33:34.859 --> 00:33:35.579
You didn't tell me that.

763
00:33:37.319 --> 00:33:39.539
Oh, man, come on.

764
00:33:39.599 --> 00:33:42.420
He's like, silly fatty boy, guys.

765
00:33:42.480 --> 00:33:43.259
Here it goes.

766
00:33:46.799 --> 00:33:47.880
And should I know what?

767
00:33:47.940 --> 00:33:52.200
I just love, you see, I love the intrid mechanisms of clocks and

768
00:33:52.200 --> 00:33:52.440
things.

769
00:33:52.500 --> 00:33:56.519
Look at how this is designed with all the moving parts going

770
00:33:56.519 --> 00:33:56.819
around.

771
00:33:56.880 --> 00:33:58.019
That's wonderful, isn't it?

772
00:33:58.019 --> 00:34:01.380
It's taking place whilst the stuff is going around them.

773
00:34:01.440 --> 00:34:04.920
At times they're on parts of the equipment that's moving.

774
00:34:05.220 --> 00:34:08.159
Yeah, it looks brass, doesn't it?

775
00:34:08.219 --> 00:34:11.280
Like it looks like a big brass mechanism. stunning.

776
00:34:12.000 --> 00:34:14.940
How long does it take to design something like this?

777
00:34:15.000 --> 00:34:17.280
Is it really easy these days?

778
00:34:17.340 --> 00:34:21.719
I mean, I, but no, because you need to have taste and you need to

779
00:34:21.719 --> 00:34:24.539
be an artist, you know, like you have to be able to produce

780
00:34:24.539 --> 00:34:27.480
beautiful images and design stunningly beautiful things.

781
00:34:27.539 --> 00:34:30.179
Oh, no.

782
00:34:30.239 --> 00:34:34.739
Oh no, Murph, not Murphy's the best one. straight into the what

783
00:34:34.739 --> 00:34:35.880
looks like the reactor call.

784
00:34:36.300 --> 00:34:41.159
But don't you think giving Pog the reaction shot where Pog looks

785
00:34:41.159 --> 00:34:43.619
down, he's quite distressed and then Dreadnock's head.

786
00:34:43.800 --> 00:34:45.780
That's funny.

787
00:34:45.780 --> 00:34:49.440
And the eyes are still left off, just for a second. so you think

788
00:34:49.440 --> 00:34:50.159
you're still alive?

789
00:34:50.219 --> 00:34:51.539
But then you get pog.

790
00:34:51.599 --> 00:34:54.539
You get a little pot reaction for punk who's relieved and kind of

791
00:34:54.539 --> 00:34:57.119
a moment of affection for Murph as well.

792
00:34:57.480 --> 00:34:59.699
The Austin Powers line.

793
00:34:59.820 --> 00:35:01.380
Why won't you die?

794
00:35:01.380 --> 00:35:03.360
Should you die?

795
00:35:04.500 --> 00:35:08.400
God's sakes, I've got this massive fucking spear.

796
00:35:08.460 --> 00:35:09.780
Will you just die already?

797
00:35:10.440 --> 00:35:13.920
And of course, the spear thing, which was a bigger feature in

798
00:35:13.920 --> 00:35:17.940
series one, and like earlier on, because she loses the spear to

799
00:35:17.940 --> 00:35:24.300
Asencia in episode 2 or 3 or something, like shit 2, I think.

800
00:35:24.360 --> 00:35:28.980
She loses this, the, the heirloom, it's called, because she's the

801
00:35:28.980 --> 00:35:32.880
prodigy, in a way, isn't she, of the title, because she's the

802
00:35:32.880 --> 00:35:36.000
daughter of the great diviner?

803
00:35:36.059 --> 00:35:39.360
And she has this thing which turns itself into a spear and a

804
00:35:39.360 --> 00:35:41.460
shield and, you know, is an expression of her person.

805
00:35:41.519 --> 00:35:44.940
It's an individual thing that the Valnikart have, but she's not

806
00:35:44.940 --> 00:35:45.539
had it.

807
00:35:45.599 --> 00:35:47.460
And so she reclaims that.

808
00:35:47.519 --> 00:35:50.880
That's what this fight is over as much as just stopping Asensia

809
00:35:50.880 --> 00:35:53.579
from, you know, destroying the universe or whatever.

810
00:35:53.639 --> 00:35:57.059
It is doing that, DS9 thing, though, of giving the bad guys

811
00:35:57.059 --> 00:36:00.480
inadverted comments, just a lot of personality, making them really

812
00:36:00.480 --> 00:36:01.139
vivid.

813
00:36:01.739 --> 00:36:03.719
She's a huge character.

814
00:36:03.780 --> 00:36:06.179
She's been in it since midway through series one.

815
00:36:06.239 --> 00:36:09.179
I mean, her line there was a massive concept.

816
00:36:09.239 --> 00:36:11.880
She goes, the multiverse holds a bitter truth.

817
00:36:11.940 --> 00:36:16.079
My world solum is dead and it always will be.

818
00:36:16.139 --> 00:36:21.780
Like, yeah, as a child, you know, in every, every possible reality

819
00:36:21.780 --> 00:36:22.980
her world is dead.

820
00:36:23.039 --> 00:36:25.019
That's a massive high concept.

821
00:36:25.079 --> 00:36:30.000
She went back to change it, but even if she changes it, the one

822
00:36:30.000 --> 00:36:32.699
that she came from died, it was destroyed.

823
00:36:32.760 --> 00:36:34.920
Which makes her a tragic character, right?

824
00:36:34.980 --> 00:36:35.940
as well as a villain.

825
00:36:36.000 --> 00:36:36.659
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

826
00:36:36.659 --> 00:36:37.619
Which makes her much more interesting.

827
00:36:38.699 --> 00:36:45.420
And she kind of takes the place of Ilteron of the great diviner as

828
00:36:45.420 --> 00:36:46.019
the main villain.

829
00:36:46.079 --> 00:36:49.199
I should have used that more like that, you know.

830
00:36:49.260 --> 00:36:52.019
Yeah, they should. if they could afford it.

831
00:36:52.079 --> 00:36:52.800
It was very strictly.

832
00:36:52.860 --> 00:36:56.219
Yes, we close the wormholes and we break all of those spaceships

833
00:36:56.219 --> 00:37:00.119
because they were making their way through them.

834
00:37:00.239 --> 00:37:02.579
They're scary spaceships.

835
00:37:02.639 --> 00:37:03.659
They look so scared.

836
00:37:03.780 --> 00:37:04.320
Look at this.

837
00:37:04.380 --> 00:37:07.260
I mean, I've never seen a sexier wormhole forming, have you?

838
00:37:07.320 --> 00:37:08.159
I know.

839
00:37:08.219 --> 00:37:09.900
Nazi and Steve.

840
00:37:09.960 --> 00:37:11.460
Wow, even then, really.

841
00:37:11.460 --> 00:37:12.480
Jesus, I mean.

842
00:37:12.539 --> 00:37:15.659
You know, if I had to go on a date with a wormhole, it might be

843
00:37:15.659 --> 00:37:16.199
this one, you know.

844
00:37:16.679 --> 00:37:21.059
But then here, too, like, all of the people, including, that's

845
00:37:21.059 --> 00:37:23.099
when all their light eyes were glowing.

846
00:37:23.340 --> 00:37:28.679
So I'm not quite sure, but they were giving, you know, she was

847
00:37:28.679 --> 00:37:34.800
they were lending her their power, including younger Sencia, who

848
00:37:34.800 --> 00:37:35.760
is here as a young woman.

849
00:37:35.820 --> 00:37:38.940
So before they were giving a sense of power, the senses come back

850
00:37:38.940 --> 00:37:39.239
in time.

851
00:37:39.300 --> 00:37:41.099
Now they've decided to sense you're there.

852
00:37:41.519 --> 00:37:45.780
That's a sense you're there, that young woman there, in between

853
00:37:45.780 --> 00:37:47.639
those other 2 is younger sense.

854
00:37:47.699 --> 00:37:48.360
Oh, bloody, yeah.

855
00:37:48.360 --> 00:37:50.219
Just like we had young Ilthron.

856
00:37:50.280 --> 00:37:51.840
Fuck sake.

857
00:37:51.900 --> 00:37:54.480
Why has no one got a normal backstory in this?

858
00:37:54.539 --> 00:37:56.280
Is no one just the person?

859
00:37:56.340 --> 00:37:57.960
Lots of time loops.

860
00:37:58.019 --> 00:37:59.280
But remember.

861
00:37:59.940 --> 00:38:05.159
If you're on an Ascensia came back in time at the theatre, we've

862
00:38:05.159 --> 00:38:07.019
got...

863
00:38:07.079 --> 00:38:09.179
I know, it's like, oh, got it.

864
00:38:09.239 --> 00:38:12.840
But, I mean, that is part of the thing is, essentially, we have to

865
00:38:12.840 --> 00:38:16.079
climb, we have to discover how to create the wormhole, we have to

866
00:38:16.079 --> 00:38:20.280
climb up the thing and create the wormhole, and then Gwendala has

867
00:38:20.280 --> 00:38:21.960
to fight a sense here, and that's really it.

868
00:38:22.019 --> 00:38:22.739
Do you know what I mean?

869
00:38:22.860 --> 00:38:23.699
It's super simple.

870
00:38:23.760 --> 00:38:24.659
Plot wise.

871
00:38:24.719 --> 00:38:25.860
But there's...

872
00:38:25.860 --> 00:38:27.179
You add it all together.

873
00:38:27.239 --> 00:38:29.159
A lot of coming on, isn't there?

874
00:38:29.219 --> 00:38:30.420
Yeah, yeah.

875
00:38:30.480 --> 00:38:33.000
It's super, like, it's just great action.

876
00:38:33.119 --> 00:38:34.800
I mean, I think...

877
00:38:34.800 --> 00:38:36.059
It sort of comes to the conclusion.

878
00:38:36.119 --> 00:38:38.280
I don't really need to know I'll just watch what happens.

879
00:38:38.340 --> 00:38:40.260
I'd assume it all ends up okay, you know?

880
00:38:40.320 --> 00:38:43.980
But I think that that's how the intended audience are gonna watch

881
00:38:43.980 --> 00:38:44.519
it as well.

882
00:38:44.579 --> 00:38:48.000
You know, like kids are smart and you haven't watched it all the

883
00:38:48.000 --> 00:38:48.480
way through.

884
00:38:48.539 --> 00:38:53.519
Um, so you're playing on hard mode, but, you know, like any kid

885
00:38:53.519 --> 00:38:55.079
who devoured this over a few days.

886
00:38:55.079 --> 00:38:57.420
That's why I'm great when it 1st dropped on that.

887
00:38:57.480 --> 00:38:58.980
I'm grateful this is for kids.

888
00:38:59.039 --> 00:39:02.820
So, you know, they are given me that chance as well, to just watch

889
00:39:02.820 --> 00:39:06.300
this as I've seen. great bit of action.

890
00:39:06.360 --> 00:39:10.199
Yeah, that was that scene I mentioned there where Dal is looking

891
00:39:10.199 --> 00:39:13.260
at Asencia through the, through the, um, binoculars.

892
00:39:13.320 --> 00:39:14.519
Although, should be honest with Nathan.

893
00:39:14.579 --> 00:39:18.480
I think this is more complicated than some of the more adult

894
00:39:18.480 --> 00:39:19.679
Coatsman shows.

895
00:39:19.739 --> 00:39:21.659
Yeah, for sure.

896
00:39:21.659 --> 00:39:25.619
There's more twists and turns happening here within this season

897
00:39:25.619 --> 00:39:28.619
than your average sort of discovery season.

898
00:39:28.920 --> 00:39:30.960
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

899
00:39:31.019 --> 00:39:33.239
I mean, Discovery might be the only one that comes close.

900
00:39:33.300 --> 00:39:37.860
I, you know, generally know where I am in a discovery episode

901
00:39:37.860 --> 00:39:40.260
whereas here I was going, my God, I've missed a lot, you know?

902
00:39:40.320 --> 00:39:45.599
Well, the whole time thing is so kind of integral to this in a way

903
00:39:45.599 --> 00:39:48.900
that it didn't seem like it was going to be going in.

904
00:39:48.960 --> 00:39:50.639
What a lovely visual that was.

905
00:39:51.119 --> 00:39:54.960
You know, you got Jway from Voyager, Wesley from NextGen, and then

906
00:39:54.960 --> 00:39:57.719
our project, all the tricks coming together, look.

907
00:39:57.780 --> 00:39:59.219
Oh, it ended.

908
00:39:59.280 --> 00:40:00.659
And the loom coming through.

909
00:40:00.719 --> 00:40:02.940
Yeah, because we had that, we ended on the shark.

910
00:40:03.000 --> 00:40:07.860
We ended on the shot of something coming through the wormhole and

911
00:40:07.860 --> 00:40:10.079
Wesley identifying it as the loom.

912
00:40:10.139 --> 00:40:12.119
And we had encountered the loom.

913
00:40:12.179 --> 00:40:15.719
In fact, a couple of episodes ago, Asencia had a loom, one of the

914
00:40:15.719 --> 00:40:20.460
loom in prison with our heroes, and they had to escape it and

915
00:40:20.460 --> 00:40:24.420
stuff, and the mid-season breakers, them all being attacked by the

916
00:40:24.420 --> 00:40:24.840
loom.

917
00:40:24.900 --> 00:40:28.500
So Wesley, we've seen the loom in action, and we've seen it

918
00:40:28.500 --> 00:40:31.559
destroy members of Voyager, it attacks Voyager. destroys the crew

919
00:40:31.559 --> 00:40:34.320
members and no one remembers them, like it erases them from

920
00:40:34.320 --> 00:40:36.300
existence, and that's what it's doing here.

921
00:40:36.360 --> 00:40:41.639
It's here to wipe out this, you know, damaged timeline before they

922
00:40:41.639 --> 00:40:42.059
can finish.

923
00:40:42.119 --> 00:40:45.480
It's an incredible voice cast, isn't it?

924
00:40:45.539 --> 00:40:50.159
Like, God knows how they felt the 1st time it was cancelled.

925
00:40:50.219 --> 00:40:52.619
And then the 2nd time it was cancelled, right?

926
00:40:52.679 --> 00:40:55.739
I mean, it was given the only reason we got season 2 was because

927
00:40:55.739 --> 00:40:57.900
it was given that lifeline by Netflix, right?

928
00:40:57.960 --> 00:40:59.099
Yeah, that's right.

929
00:40:59.219 --> 00:41:03.539
Yeah, I mean, you just don't assemble that sort of talent and then

930
00:41:03.539 --> 00:41:04.980
just throw it away, do you?

931
00:41:05.039 --> 00:41:08.099
Unless, I mean, I can only...

932
00:41:08.099 --> 00:41:11.280
David Diggs, for God's sake. like David Diggs is in this.

933
00:41:11.340 --> 00:41:14.460
Oh my God, no, I think Chamu Chamu was my favourite, you know.

934
00:41:14.519 --> 00:41:15.780
It's pretty great.

935
00:41:15.840 --> 00:41:16.260
Yeah.

936
00:41:16.320 --> 00:41:17.940
Or Jason Mansukas as well.

937
00:41:18.000 --> 00:41:20.039
And just getting Mul Groupax.

938
00:41:20.099 --> 00:41:21.360
Like, she's not a small name.

939
00:41:21.420 --> 00:41:22.679
She's gone on and done stuff.

940
00:41:22.739 --> 00:41:23.400
No.

941
00:41:23.400 --> 00:41:25.920
And 2 out of 3 Roberts as well.

942
00:41:25.980 --> 00:41:30.239
I mean, I started this particular episode doing a quote from Kate

943
00:41:30.239 --> 00:41:31.079
Mull crew.

944
00:41:31.139 --> 00:41:36.119
I mean, that righteous fury she has in that interview. good on

945
00:41:36.119 --> 00:41:36.300
her.

946
00:41:36.360 --> 00:41:38.639
She's not just going to sit back and go, do you know what?

947
00:41:38.699 --> 00:41:39.900
Yeah, fair enough.

948
00:41:39.960 --> 00:41:41.099
This decision that they made.

949
00:41:41.159 --> 00:41:44.400
No, we were putting out something that was fucking good for kids.

950
00:41:44.460 --> 00:41:50.460
Really good Like, think about, I think the animated series is

951
00:41:50.460 --> 00:41:52.739
pitched at kids, and it's so dumb.

952
00:41:52.800 --> 00:41:54.000
Do you know what I mean?

953
00:41:54.059 --> 00:41:58.860
Like, it's really pitched at stupid kids and like, it's rarely

954
00:41:58.860 --> 00:42:01.380
smart or interesting at all, the animated series.

955
00:42:01.440 --> 00:42:07.079
And then decades later, we've got TV literate children, we've got

956
00:42:07.079 --> 00:42:09.300
people who have watched a lot more telly.

957
00:42:09.360 --> 00:42:12.960
We're better at making telly and telling stories through the

958
00:42:12.960 --> 00:42:14.460
medium of television.

959
00:42:14.519 --> 00:42:16.500
And this is so much more interesting and so much more

960
00:42:16.500 --> 00:42:21.539
sophisticated and and there's heart to it and it's about the

961
00:42:21.539 --> 00:42:24.119
federation, all the values and all of those things that I love.

962
00:42:24.179 --> 00:42:27.599
You know, like I just think this is a really, really special

963
00:42:27.599 --> 00:42:28.079
thing.

964
00:42:28.139 --> 00:42:33.000
And what I think is really sad is that there's nowhere that you

965
00:42:33.000 --> 00:42:34.440
can now watch this on streaming.

966
00:42:34.559 --> 00:42:36.179
Yeah, that is...

967
00:42:36.239 --> 00:42:38.099
Well, I mean, you can buy the DVDs, can't you?

968
00:42:38.159 --> 00:42:41.340
But you were going to have to want to go and get them, you know

969
00:42:41.340 --> 00:42:43.980
whereas no one's going to happen upon them now.

970
00:42:44.039 --> 00:42:46.079
And that's really sad.

971
00:42:46.139 --> 00:42:50.579
I think my biggest fear when I heard about prodigy, that they were

972
00:42:50.579 --> 00:42:57.119
making a show for younger kids, was that I was going to get, you

973
00:42:57.119 --> 00:43:02.639
know, spoon fed messages of the federation animated steering style

974
00:43:02.639 --> 00:43:04.380
but with better special effects.

975
00:43:04.440 --> 00:43:09.480
What you actually get is something that is far more substantial

976
00:43:09.480 --> 00:43:15.360
than even your average adult trek show these days. that's really

977
00:43:15.360 --> 00:43:16.380
impressive.

978
00:43:16.440 --> 00:43:20.880
I think the worst thing you can do is talk down to children and it

979
00:43:20.880 --> 00:43:22.559
irritates me when shows do it.

980
00:43:22.619 --> 00:43:27.420
This is punching up the children in such an impressive way.

981
00:43:27.480 --> 00:43:30.239
Well, I suppose we better go and watch the 2nd episode, don't you

982
00:43:30.239 --> 00:43:30.480
think?

983
00:43:30.539 --> 00:43:31.500
I think we should.

984
00:43:31.559 --> 00:43:33.960
All right, I'll count it in.

985
00:43:34.019 --> 00:43:39.599
Five, four, three, two, one, and we're off.

986
00:43:39.719 --> 00:43:41.579
I'd end again.

987
00:43:41.699 --> 00:43:42.840
Here we go.

988
00:43:42.900 --> 00:43:44.340
Yeah.

989
00:43:44.400 --> 00:43:46.619
Roughly rainbow colours.

990
00:43:46.679 --> 00:43:47.400
Oh, so pretty.

991
00:43:48.239 --> 00:43:51.000
It is pretty Star Trek.

992
00:43:51.059 --> 00:43:51.599
It's back.

993
00:43:51.659 --> 00:43:52.440
So great.

994
00:43:54.360 --> 00:43:58.559
Yeah, you know, those people that object, you know, they miss the

995
00:43:58.559 --> 00:43:59.340
gray, don't they?

996
00:43:59.400 --> 00:44:02.519
They miss the gun metal gray of everything from 90s trek, you know

997
00:44:02.519 --> 00:44:04.619
much like their sort of morality.

998
00:44:05.820 --> 00:44:12.480
I mean, I think that the Voyager looks like Voyager, you know, like

999
00:44:12.480 --> 00:44:14.460
it's still the same sort of thing.

1000
00:44:14.519 --> 00:44:17.039
It's not it's not like the proto start with it.

1001
00:44:17.099 --> 00:44:18.900
It's kind of massive spaces.

1002
00:44:19.619 --> 00:44:22.800
Do you remember when you went into that new regional space, the

1003
00:44:22.800 --> 00:44:25.679
void and everything was just black and gray?

1004
00:44:25.679 --> 00:44:27.179
everywhere.

1005
00:44:28.260 --> 00:44:34.019
Wow, a new region of space is as boring as the usual.

1006
00:44:34.079 --> 00:44:36.480
It's even more boring.

1007
00:44:36.480 --> 00:44:37.199
The original ranger.

1008
00:44:37.260 --> 00:44:40.260
We're just weird.

1009
00:44:40.380 --> 00:44:44.460
We are gobsmacked when Nighty Strep gives us something sort of...

1010
00:44:44.460 --> 00:44:47.460
I remember when we watched Skin of Evil, and we were like, my

1011
00:44:47.460 --> 00:44:48.179
God.

1012
00:44:48.239 --> 00:44:50.340
I mean, at least it's weird, you know?

1013
00:44:50.400 --> 00:44:52.079
Yeah, that's true.

1014
00:44:52.139 --> 00:44:52.800
That is true.

1015
00:44:52.860 --> 00:44:55.320
That, I mean, we've talked about that.

1016
00:44:55.380 --> 00:44:59.039
That was a thing that they abandoned in favour of raising the

1017
00:44:59.039 --> 00:45:02.099
floor in favour of trying not to look stupid.

1018
00:45:02.699 --> 00:45:05.639
Now we've learned to not look stupid.

1019
00:45:05.639 --> 00:45:10.500
And look weird and look amazing and weird.

1020
00:45:11.280 --> 00:45:15.420
They go for like just like incomprehensible things sometimes. yeah

1021
00:45:15.420 --> 00:45:16.019
don't they?

1022
00:45:16.079 --> 00:45:16.980
It's incredible.

1023
00:45:17.039 --> 00:45:18.000
It looks so great.

1024
00:45:18.119 --> 00:45:23.460
There's a there's a flashback to solemn, um, at one point in one

1025
00:45:23.460 --> 00:45:28.380
of these episodes where it might be early on where, um, you see

1026
00:45:28.380 --> 00:45:31.440
the sort of painted version of solemn, which they've used before

1027
00:45:31.440 --> 00:45:35.820
for flashbacks into solemn's past, where solemn's past is like an

1028
00:45:35.820 --> 00:45:39.000
oil painting or something, rather than the hard-edged things, and

1029
00:45:39.000 --> 00:45:41.340
I think that just looks stunning. that was in the 1st episode.

1030
00:45:41.400 --> 00:45:42.780
They had flash...

1031
00:45:42.840 --> 00:45:43.500
Yeah, in the 1st episode.

1032
00:45:43.619 --> 00:45:44.460
It looked amazing.

1033
00:45:45.119 --> 00:45:46.739
Incredible.

1034
00:45:46.800 --> 00:45:50.519
But we've seen them do that before. like flashbacks to solemn in

1035
00:45:50.519 --> 00:45:53.519
the past or in that sort of that oil painting style.

1036
00:45:54.420 --> 00:45:57.119
They're just not bound, are they?

1037
00:45:57.179 --> 00:46:00.840
They're just not bound by any kind of physical presence.

1038
00:46:00.900 --> 00:46:02.699
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1039
00:46:02.760 --> 00:46:06.179
And so that's essential being carried off and that's her and she

1040
00:46:06.179 --> 00:46:11.219
realises she's doomed the entire world, you know, like, and Wesley

1041
00:46:11.219 --> 00:46:13.739
allows this to happen, remember?

1042
00:46:13.800 --> 00:46:19.199
Like, it's those riffs that make our wormhole possible.

1043
00:46:19.260 --> 00:46:24.480
So, so essentia enables us to write history again.

1044
00:46:24.539 --> 00:46:26.579
We still don't realise it, do we?

1045
00:46:27.960 --> 00:46:31.260
We have that great, what's all the, the, actually, it don't really

1046
00:46:31.260 --> 00:46:31.739
matter.

1047
00:46:31.800 --> 00:46:32.639
We just got to send it through.

1048
00:46:32.699 --> 00:46:33.480
It's going to be all right.

1049
00:46:33.539 --> 00:46:34.320
Like, we're here.

1050
00:46:34.440 --> 00:46:37.320
That's halfway through this episode, isn't it?

1051
00:46:37.380 --> 00:46:38.639
In a minute.

1052
00:46:38.639 --> 00:46:40.619
Almost immediately. really early.

1053
00:46:40.679 --> 00:46:42.900
Like, it doesn't take very long to resolve this.

1054
00:46:42.960 --> 00:46:46.440
It's probably resolved, I think, 10 minutes in would be my guess.

1055
00:46:46.500 --> 00:46:47.579
With 3 minutes in.

1056
00:46:47.639 --> 00:46:48.659
There's not a lot happens.

1057
00:46:48.719 --> 00:46:49.920
There's no set.

1058
00:46:49.980 --> 00:46:53.219
I really even need the giant reaper jellyfish things because the

1059
00:46:53.219 --> 00:46:54.059
stakes are.

1060
00:46:54.119 --> 00:46:56.099
We never would have had prodigy.

1061
00:46:56.159 --> 00:46:57.840
That's big enough for me.

1062
00:46:57.900 --> 00:47:01.380
I suppose for the kitty winks, you need something a bit less

1063
00:47:01.380 --> 00:47:03.179
conceptual and a bit more physical.

1064
00:47:04.199 --> 00:47:08.519
I reckon, though, because they were such a great terrifying

1065
00:47:08.519 --> 00:47:12.719
monster, like a really, really good mid-season monster that's

1066
00:47:12.719 --> 00:47:15.119
unique to prodigy.

1067
00:47:17.280 --> 00:47:21.659
Well, look at the visuals that you get as we're going through the

1068
00:47:21.659 --> 00:47:26.099
wormhole surrounded by all those the loom, like that looks

1069
00:47:26.099 --> 00:47:26.639
incredible.

1070
00:47:26.699 --> 00:47:28.260
That's nothing you've ever seen before.

1071
00:47:28.440 --> 00:47:31.800
I mean, gosh, the proto-star breach is beautiful.

1072
00:47:32.099 --> 00:47:35.699
I mean, there was a few moments here where I was like, okay

1073
00:47:35.699 --> 00:47:38.460
they're just making sure that we remember every single plot

1074
00:47:38.460 --> 00:47:38.880
point.

1075
00:47:38.940 --> 00:47:39.960
So this makes sense.

1076
00:47:40.019 --> 00:47:42.480
Everyone's coming in with a different part of the plot for the

1077
00:47:42.480 --> 00:47:42.900
last season.

1078
00:47:42.960 --> 00:47:44.760
Well, exactly.

1079
00:47:44.820 --> 00:47:45.960
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1080
00:47:47.400 --> 00:47:52.860
Oh my god, she hasn't said a line like that since, you know, she

1081
00:47:52.860 --> 00:47:53.099
left.

1082
00:47:53.159 --> 00:47:58.079
Remodulate the phases to the to the looms variant, you know.

1083
00:47:58.139 --> 00:48:00.059
Yeah, that's right.

1084
00:48:00.119 --> 00:48:01.619
Set the weapons to maximum.

1085
00:48:01.679 --> 00:48:04.380
She probably got the script and went, oh, I'm back, baby.

1086
00:48:04.440 --> 00:48:04.739
Yeah.

1087
00:48:04.800 --> 00:48:06.059
I'm doing Star Trek.

1088
00:48:06.179 --> 00:48:08.039
Look at these bloody monsters.

1089
00:48:08.460 --> 00:48:10.260
They're great.

1090
00:48:10.320 --> 00:48:11.099
Look at this.

1091
00:48:11.159 --> 00:48:13.260
It looks so like Star Wars.

1092
00:48:13.320 --> 00:48:14.760
Disney Star Wars, doesn't it?

1093
00:48:14.820 --> 00:48:16.320
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1094
00:48:16.380 --> 00:48:17.280
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1095
00:48:17.340 --> 00:48:23.159
Down on some sort of mediaeval looking town, great pulse rifle.

1096
00:48:23.219 --> 00:48:24.360
It looks incredible, doesn't it?

1097
00:48:24.420 --> 00:48:28.800
These horrible great jellyfish is coming from screaming from the

1098
00:48:28.800 --> 00:48:29.159
sky.

1099
00:48:29.219 --> 00:48:30.599
Oh amazing.

1100
00:48:30.659 --> 00:48:31.619
Yeah.

1101
00:48:31.679 --> 00:48:33.300
So good.

1102
00:48:33.360 --> 00:48:36.059
I mean, these shots look incredible, don't they?

1103
00:48:36.119 --> 00:48:39.300
Like, they're never really any threat, but there's so many of them

1104
00:48:39.300 --> 00:48:41.159
and you've got the 2 ships going through.

1105
00:48:41.219 --> 00:48:43.440
It's just stunning.

1106
00:48:43.500 --> 00:48:46.380
These people complained about the don't like the Kurtzman trek.

1107
00:48:46.440 --> 00:48:48.840
That it's all gone woe to some stuff.

1108
00:48:48.900 --> 00:48:52.019
What spoke about this is fabulous jellyfish is attacking.

1109
00:48:52.079 --> 00:48:52.380
Come on.

1110
00:48:52.679 --> 00:48:54.420
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1111
00:48:54.480 --> 00:48:57.960
Oh, go back and watch and count off far point, you boring fucks.

1112
00:48:58.019 --> 00:49:03.179
That's got jellyfish isn't in a well, but they're very boring. sort

1113
00:49:03.179 --> 00:49:05.460
of touch tentacles and then fly off.

1114
00:49:05.940 --> 00:49:07.739
Yeah, yeah.

1115
00:49:07.800 --> 00:49:08.699
Look at them.

1116
00:49:08.760 --> 00:49:10.860
Let's look at that show, I'm getting it going up.

1117
00:49:10.920 --> 00:49:14.940
Look at these incredible. 2 planet of the dead vibes, you know

1118
00:49:14.940 --> 00:49:16.079
with a great swarm coming.

1119
00:49:16.139 --> 00:49:16.739
Yeah, yeah.

1120
00:49:16.739 --> 00:49:19.980
Whereas in such a number, you haven't got a fucking hope.

1121
00:49:20.519 --> 00:49:22.619
Yeah, it looks great.

1122
00:49:22.679 --> 00:49:23.639
It looks so good.

1123
00:49:23.699 --> 00:49:26.460
Oh, it was very odd that the doctor was here, but he didn't get

1124
00:49:26.460 --> 00:49:27.300
any funny lines.

1125
00:49:27.360 --> 00:49:29.039
He's just doing all the technobabble.

1126
00:49:30.900 --> 00:49:32.940
He's getting the funny lines now in Academy.

1127
00:49:34.260 --> 00:49:39.900
And here's the thing that you mentioned before where Dal says, this

1128
00:49:39.900 --> 00:49:40.440
is the future.

1129
00:49:40.440 --> 00:49:41.940
I saw him, Wesley says, no, no.

1130
00:49:42.000 --> 00:49:44.940
And this is such a Doctor Who line.

1131
00:49:45.000 --> 00:49:46.679
Don't you think it's a Doctor Who line?

1132
00:49:46.739 --> 00:49:48.539
The reason the universe needs you all together.

1133
00:49:48.599 --> 00:49:51.059
And it's, what is it?

1134
00:49:51.119 --> 00:49:52.380
Things yet to come.

1135
00:49:52.559 --> 00:49:56.639
Uh, and wondrous and terrible things.

1136
00:49:56.699 --> 00:49:57.420
Don't you think?

1137
00:49:57.480 --> 00:49:59.519
That's a Doctor Who way of looking at the world.

1138
00:49:59.579 --> 00:50:01.320
And that's...

1139
00:50:01.320 --> 00:50:03.599
I'm getting relief from myself, you know.

1140
00:50:03.719 --> 00:50:06.059
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1141
00:50:06.179 --> 00:50:07.199
It's a bit of that.

1142
00:50:08.880 --> 00:50:13.559
Oh God, Voyager, if only you commanded visuals like this in the

1143
00:50:13.559 --> 00:50:14.099
90s.

1144
00:50:14.159 --> 00:50:15.719
Look at those jellyfishes on the whole.

1145
00:50:16.619 --> 00:50:18.960
So this is Gillian.

1146
00:50:19.019 --> 00:50:21.360
What the fuck is this whale?

1147
00:50:21.420 --> 00:50:24.000
I had no clue what this was all about.

1148
00:50:24.059 --> 00:50:26.699
Is it a hot bale, Julian?

1149
00:50:26.760 --> 00:50:27.420
Yep.

1150
00:50:27.480 --> 00:50:31.199
It's named after the character from Star Trek 4.

1151
00:50:31.500 --> 00:50:33.239
So it's called Gillian.

1152
00:50:33.300 --> 00:50:38.400
So there's cetacean ops on board, um, lower decks, remember, but

1153
00:50:38.400 --> 00:50:44.880
it's it's um, dolphins. but this has a big tank with a comeback

1154
00:50:44.880 --> 00:50:45.539
whale in it.

1155
00:50:45.599 --> 00:50:46.440
Of course it does.

1156
00:50:46.440 --> 00:50:50.159
That talks to them, like can understand them and stuff like that.

1157
00:50:50.219 --> 00:50:53.820
And again, just gives us these incredible weird visuals, you

1158
00:50:53.820 --> 00:50:54.119
know.

1159
00:50:54.179 --> 00:50:57.780
So that's her getting her role in kind of saving things.

1160
00:50:57.840 --> 00:50:59.159
That's a sort of thing.

1161
00:50:59.159 --> 00:51:00.179
Remarkable thing.

1162
00:51:00.179 --> 00:51:04.860
They're going through the wormhole and there's shadows...

1163
00:51:04.920 --> 00:51:06.239
Yeah, yeah, amazing.

1164
00:51:06.300 --> 00:51:06.780
Yeah.

1165
00:51:06.780 --> 00:51:10.199
You know that thing, having the whale in the middle of the ship.

1166
00:51:10.260 --> 00:51:13.380
That's the sort of thing that really winds up, the anti-curves

1167
00:51:13.380 --> 00:51:14.039
won't be great.

1168
00:51:14.579 --> 00:51:17.699
No, that's not how technology works, you know, like in the future

1169
00:51:17.699 --> 00:51:22.440
technology works with dilithium and rules and regulations.

1170
00:51:22.500 --> 00:51:23.400
No, mate.

1171
00:51:23.460 --> 00:51:24.000
It's fiction.

1172
00:51:24.059 --> 00:51:24.539
We can have fun.

1173
00:51:24.599 --> 00:51:29.219
What it does, but what it does is it makes Star Trek 4 more

1174
00:51:29.219 --> 00:51:29.639
important.

1175
00:51:29.699 --> 00:51:34.260
We knew that the human race is saved because there are humpback

1176
00:51:34.260 --> 00:51:39.659
whales for that probe to talk to, but, you know, a century or so

1177
00:51:39.659 --> 00:51:43.559
later, we have humpback whales helping us in Starfleet on our

1178
00:51:43.559 --> 00:51:43.920
ships.

1179
00:51:44.039 --> 00:51:49.320
I mean, I think there's enough prodigy here for it to feel

1180
00:51:49.320 --> 00:51:53.159
uniquely prodigy, but there is a lot of past trek here as well.

1181
00:51:53.219 --> 00:51:54.179
Yeah, yeah.

1182
00:51:54.179 --> 00:51:57.900
In a way that, in a way that those 90 Shreks very rarely did

1183
00:51:57.900 --> 00:51:58.260
right?

1184
00:51:58.320 --> 00:52:00.300
They pushed forward with their own identity.

1185
00:52:00.360 --> 00:52:04.260
Whereas Kurt Smith is all about, all about looking back all the

1186
00:52:04.260 --> 00:52:04.980
time, I think.

1187
00:52:05.880 --> 00:52:08.460
Academy, I think, isn't doing that.

1188
00:52:08.519 --> 00:52:13.619
But, um, and it's not a huge discovery, not so much, yeah, that's

1189
00:52:13.619 --> 00:52:13.860
true.

1190
00:52:13.920 --> 00:52:18.599
But, you know, like, um, it's a different time.

1191
00:52:18.659 --> 00:52:22.199
There's, you know, so many 100s of hours of Star Trek here.

1192
00:52:22.260 --> 00:52:25.679
I think this was really beautiful because it's a do-over, isn't

1193
00:52:25.679 --> 00:52:25.860
it?

1194
00:52:25.920 --> 00:52:31.739
For the end of series one, where Hologram Janeway goes down with a

1195
00:52:31.739 --> 00:52:34.619
protostar...

1196
00:52:34.679 --> 00:52:38.219
I mean, that was a, that was just the kids having to let go of

1197
00:52:38.219 --> 00:52:38.400
her.

1198
00:52:38.460 --> 00:52:40.920
Yeah, yeah, which was really sad. was so touching.

1199
00:52:40.980 --> 00:52:41.699
Yeah, yeah.

1200
00:52:41.760 --> 00:52:43.619
I just love mirth as a person.

1201
00:52:44.159 --> 00:52:46.980
Exactly, sitting on Rocktox's arm.

1202
00:52:47.099 --> 00:52:52.980
So there's the robberos communicator, and we will see rock pick it

1203
00:52:52.980 --> 00:52:57.059
up and activate it in the flashback sequence, and that's when we

1204
00:52:57.059 --> 00:52:58.619
1st see Hologram Janeway.

1205
00:52:58.679 --> 00:53:01.500
So it's that that activates her.

1206
00:53:01.679 --> 00:53:05.159
And so that's the circle complete.

1207
00:53:05.159 --> 00:53:08.820
And we go down and we look at it again because that's uroboros

1208
00:53:08.820 --> 00:53:11.099
that's they create themselves.

1209
00:53:11.159 --> 00:53:13.199
I think it's really clever.

1210
00:53:13.260 --> 00:53:14.280
It's terrifically good.

1211
00:53:14.340 --> 00:53:15.300
Here we go.

1212
00:53:15.300 --> 00:53:16.320
Down the wormhole.

1213
00:53:16.440 --> 00:53:17.280
There we go.

1214
00:53:17.340 --> 00:53:17.880
Yep.

1215
00:53:17.940 --> 00:53:20.159
And it goes...

1216
00:53:20.219 --> 00:53:22.079
It's always getting stock down wormholes, isn't it?

1217
00:53:22.139 --> 00:53:23.820
It's a bit of a problem.

1218
00:53:23.880 --> 00:53:25.079
Look how young.

1219
00:53:25.139 --> 00:53:27.239
Isn't it ridiculous, Dell?

1220
00:53:27.300 --> 00:53:30.420
So this is it where we're doing all of the flashbacks to the last

1221
00:53:30.420 --> 00:53:30.960
2 seasons.

1222
00:53:31.079 --> 00:53:35.039
And it has no right to be as moving as it is.

1223
00:53:35.099 --> 00:53:36.780
It's terrific.

1224
00:53:36.840 --> 00:53:39.840
It really shows you how far they've come.

1225
00:53:39.900 --> 00:53:42.119
And all the adventures that they've had.

1226
00:53:42.179 --> 00:53:43.440
It's wonderful.

1227
00:53:43.500 --> 00:53:44.820
Just terrific staff.

1228
00:53:45.360 --> 00:53:48.300
Yeah, a whole band, Janeway and Dow.

1229
00:53:48.360 --> 00:53:53.519
You can't hear it. but the music was just stunning in this scene.

1230
00:53:53.699 --> 00:53:56.280
There's a violin coming in.

1231
00:53:56.340 --> 00:53:57.539
It was absolutely beautiful.

1232
00:53:57.900 --> 00:54:02.639
It's not often the music and trek gives me chills, but yeah, yeah

1233
00:54:02.699 --> 00:54:03.960
the music here is really good.

1234
00:54:04.019 --> 00:54:07.139
Together, your potential is infinite.

1235
00:54:07.199 --> 00:54:08.820
Now go boldly.

1236
00:54:08.880 --> 00:54:12.960
And that's hologram Jane Janeway's final speech to them before she

1237
00:54:12.960 --> 00:54:13.320
dies.

1238
00:54:13.380 --> 00:54:14.400
That took that.

1239
00:54:14.460 --> 00:54:17.579
Oh, look at Chakotay looking all hot and beardy there.

1240
00:54:17.639 --> 00:54:18.059
Did you see?

1241
00:54:18.119 --> 00:54:20.219
When you say zero.

1242
00:54:20.280 --> 00:54:20.820
He's green.

1243
00:54:20.880 --> 00:54:22.019
That was zero.

1244
00:54:22.800 --> 00:54:24.719
Just for a few episodes.

1245
00:54:24.780 --> 00:54:27.300
Oh, look, they're all having fun in the mess hole.

1246
00:54:27.360 --> 00:54:30.539
Oh, I remember that bit where she cupped Rocktox's face.

1247
00:54:30.599 --> 00:54:31.920
Yeah.

1248
00:54:31.980 --> 00:54:38.039
Oh, it's beautiful shots from last Flight of the Protestar.

1249
00:54:38.099 --> 00:54:39.960
It's reminding, there's again, though.

1250
00:54:39.960 --> 00:54:41.940
If...

1251
00:54:41.940 --> 00:54:44.699
Oh my god, how hot did Jakoto look there?

1252
00:54:44.760 --> 00:54:46.019
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1253
00:54:46.019 --> 00:54:47.219
You seeing that crop top?

1254
00:54:47.340 --> 00:54:47.820
going on?

1255
00:54:47.880 --> 00:54:48.960
Yeah.

1256
00:54:49.019 --> 00:54:49.739
Yeah.

1257
00:54:49.800 --> 00:54:54.119
And then like little moments through each episode, I think, very

1258
00:54:54.119 --> 00:54:54.780
very quickly.

1259
00:54:54.840 --> 00:54:57.420
And then look, flash, flash, flash, flash, flash, flash.

1260
00:54:57.480 --> 00:55:00.900
I mean, you could pause that any moment and say wonderful clips.

1261
00:55:01.019 --> 00:55:02.639
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1262
00:55:02.699 --> 00:55:06.360
But I like this too, because then we go back and we actually see

1263
00:55:06.360 --> 00:55:09.239
them come on board the protostar for the 1st time.

1264
00:55:09.239 --> 00:55:11.400
But we don't see them.

1265
00:55:11.519 --> 00:55:14.760
We just have the empty corridors and the sounds of dialogue from

1266
00:55:14.760 --> 00:55:15.659
the early episodes.

1267
00:55:15.719 --> 00:55:18.719
But all of that see them come on board.

1268
00:55:18.780 --> 00:55:23.579
Those flashbacks, they weren't just manipulative in the way the TV

1269
00:55:23.579 --> 00:55:24.059
is.

1270
00:55:24.119 --> 00:55:27.119
They were reminding us, again, these are the stakes if we get this

1271
00:55:27.119 --> 00:55:27.539
wrong.

1272
00:55:27.599 --> 00:55:30.360
We lose all of this that we've gained.

1273
00:55:30.420 --> 00:55:31.800
Yeah.

1274
00:55:31.860 --> 00:55:35.280
That's what they created by sending the sending it down.

1275
00:55:35.340 --> 00:55:40.920
So this is them coming on board, and there's Rock, who, like, Dal

1276
00:55:40.920 --> 00:55:45.599
doesn't even know it's a little girl, and she touches...

1277
00:55:45.659 --> 00:55:47.699
Great 1st episodes, you know.

1278
00:55:47.760 --> 00:55:49.500
Yeah, yeah.

1279
00:55:49.920 --> 00:55:53.460
It really do feel like we was boldly going.

1280
00:55:53.579 --> 00:55:55.559
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1281
00:55:55.619 --> 00:55:58.079
I think we did boldly go, didn't we?

1282
00:55:58.139 --> 00:55:59.820
It's a new type of trick.

1283
00:55:59.880 --> 00:56:02.219
Yeah, it's just terrific.

1284
00:56:02.340 --> 00:56:04.800
And so here we are.

1285
00:56:04.860 --> 00:56:05.519
Where are we?

1286
00:56:05.579 --> 00:56:08.940
We're halfway through the episode, just over halfway through the

1287
00:56:08.940 --> 00:56:15.480
episode, uh, and now we have 10 minutes to kind of just, um, you

1288
00:56:15.480 --> 00:56:17.039
know, wind things up and send them off.

1289
00:56:17.039 --> 00:56:19.079
The stuff's the eye light, which is the new direction.

1290
00:56:19.139 --> 00:56:21.059
Oh, yeah, yeah.

1291
00:56:21.059 --> 00:56:23.340
When Wesley goes home to Beverly Crusher.

1292
00:56:23.400 --> 00:56:24.360
That was such a lovely moment.

1293
00:56:25.139 --> 00:56:27.059
Yeah, yeah.

1294
00:56:27.119 --> 00:56:28.559
Because they do talk about it.

1295
00:56:28.619 --> 00:56:32.039
We do see, we do see Beverly, and she says that she never sees

1296
00:56:32.039 --> 00:56:36.239
Wesley, and we do have Janeway telling him that he should go and

1297
00:56:36.239 --> 00:56:38.699
visit his mother sometime when they 1st meet.

1298
00:56:38.760 --> 00:56:42.599
Um, I'm still wearing that same jumper.

1299
00:56:42.659 --> 00:56:43.019
Look.

1300
00:56:43.019 --> 00:56:45.119
That's right.

1301
00:56:45.840 --> 00:56:50.820
And this speech here, this is her last, this is her last captain's

1302
00:56:50.820 --> 00:56:51.239
log.

1303
00:56:51.300 --> 00:56:54.480
And she says, an old friend once said, we do not feel the passage

1304
00:56:54.480 --> 00:56:56.579
of time, but the presence of time within us.

1305
00:56:56.639 --> 00:57:01.559
We grow from what we leave behind as we reach for what lies

1306
00:57:01.559 --> 00:57:02.039
ahead.

1307
00:57:02.099 --> 00:57:07.199
And that's a quote from a deleted scene in Star Trek Nemesis

1308
00:57:07.199 --> 00:57:10.019
Picard and Data, talking after the wedding at the beginning of

1309
00:57:10.019 --> 00:57:11.099
Star Trek Nemesis.

1310
00:57:11.159 --> 00:57:13.679
It includes the line, what we leave behind.

1311
00:57:13.860 --> 00:57:18.420
And the writer said, that's a deleted scene.

1312
00:57:18.480 --> 00:57:21.179
It's not canon, I want that speech to be canon.

1313
00:57:21.239 --> 00:57:21.960
It's so beautiful.

1314
00:57:22.019 --> 00:57:24.119
And so he gave it to Janeway.

1315
00:57:24.239 --> 00:57:27.179
I like her saying that the kids still have something to teach

1316
00:57:27.179 --> 00:57:27.480
her.

1317
00:57:27.599 --> 00:57:29.699
That's so great.

1318
00:57:29.760 --> 00:57:30.780
Yeah.

1319
00:57:30.960 --> 00:57:36.719
Well, like even this with Noom, who is sort of disdainful of pog.

1320
00:57:36.780 --> 00:57:41.280
That's Pog being the dickhead that he always is a new being sweet

1321
00:57:41.280 --> 00:57:42.659
you know, and this, yeah.

1322
00:57:42.719 --> 00:57:45.300
Oh, hi, mum, Wesley, I'm behind you.

1323
00:57:47.880 --> 00:57:49.500
So good.

1324
00:57:49.679 --> 00:57:54.659
Oh, you know, Gates, you look absolutely beautiful as animation.

1325
00:57:55.500 --> 00:57:59.880
No, she's even got the big eyes, like all the other Gary.

1326
00:58:00.000 --> 00:58:00.300
Yes.

1327
00:58:00.300 --> 00:58:07.500
But she has the hair from Picard series 3 and look at what

1328
00:58:07.500 --> 00:58:08.159
happens.

1329
00:58:08.219 --> 00:58:14.820
I want you to meet someone and that's Jack from Picard series 3

1330
00:58:14.820 --> 00:58:16.019
age five.

1331
00:58:16.079 --> 00:58:19.079
Oh, yeah.

1332
00:58:19.199 --> 00:58:21.119
And so it absolutely not.

1333
00:58:21.179 --> 00:58:23.400
So it's today, absolutely. brings it in.

1334
00:58:23.460 --> 00:58:24.960
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1335
00:58:25.139 --> 00:58:27.000
Oh, there we go.

1336
00:58:27.059 --> 00:58:27.900
I joke for the doctor.

1337
00:58:27.960 --> 00:58:28.260
Thank you.

1338
00:58:28.320 --> 00:58:30.119
I joke for the doctor, that's right.

1339
00:58:30.179 --> 00:58:32.219
Even when you think your story is finished, it's not finished.

1340
00:58:32.280 --> 00:58:35.880
No, that's actually linking to Academy, you know, your story never

1341
00:58:35.880 --> 00:58:36.179
ends.

1342
00:58:36.719 --> 00:58:40.440
Well, and that's one of the reasons why we don't do them in the

1343
00:58:40.440 --> 00:58:41.099
academy.

1344
00:58:41.159 --> 00:58:43.920
We don't leave them in the academy because we've got another show

1345
00:58:43.920 --> 00:58:45.539
that's doing the academy.

1346
00:58:45.599 --> 00:58:46.559
Voyages Off now.

1347
00:58:46.619 --> 00:58:48.480
Oh, look at Janeway's lovely house.

1348
00:58:48.539 --> 00:58:50.940
I know, it's beautiful, isn't it?

1349
00:58:51.599 --> 00:58:54.659
Doesn't she get, she gets roped in again, doesn't she?

1350
00:58:54.719 --> 00:58:56.820
No, I was just happy to retire.

1351
00:58:56.880 --> 00:58:57.300
Okay?

1352
00:58:57.360 --> 00:58:58.380
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1353
00:58:58.440 --> 00:58:59.280
For God's sake.

1354
00:58:59.340 --> 00:59:03.539
Oh, look, it's that, it's that water filtration plant. they've

1355
00:59:03.539 --> 00:59:04.679
animated it Did you see?

1356
00:59:08.340 --> 00:59:13.079
Oh, man, their attention to detail never fails to impress spirit

1357
00:59:13.079 --> 00:59:13.500
isn't it?

1358
00:59:13.559 --> 00:59:15.960
Temporal mechanics 201.

1359
00:59:16.500 --> 00:59:17.880
Yeah.

1360
00:59:17.940 --> 00:59:18.840
But so that.

1361
00:59:18.840 --> 00:59:21.239
Happy 1st contact day.

1362
00:59:21.300 --> 00:59:25.380
So, you know, like I just thought, oh, okay, that's a thing, and

1363
00:59:25.380 --> 00:59:29.519
I'd forgotten that that, it was 1st contact day on which Children

1364
00:59:29.519 --> 00:59:30.599
of Mars took place.

1365
00:59:30.659 --> 00:59:31.800
So that's about to happen.

1366
00:59:31.860 --> 00:59:35.519
And they're going to see the same news broadcast that the kids saw

1367
00:59:35.519 --> 00:59:36.000
in that.

1368
00:59:36.119 --> 00:59:39.539
I could teach temporal mechanics 201, you know.

1369
00:59:39.599 --> 00:59:41.280
All those time travel episodes.

1370
00:59:41.340 --> 00:59:43.019
I've got so much evidence now.

1371
00:59:43.079 --> 00:59:44.579
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1372
00:59:44.639 --> 00:59:44.880
Yeah.

1373
00:59:44.940 --> 00:59:45.840
Well, that's what they say.

1374
00:59:45.900 --> 00:59:47.340
They say you guys don't know it already.

1375
00:59:47.400 --> 00:59:50.519
Dal already knows Temporal Mechanics 201, where he was absolutely

1376
00:59:50.519 --> 00:59:52.920
flummoxed by 101 at the beginning of the series.

1377
00:59:52.980 --> 00:59:56.760
Oh, now I'm happy to take one step at a time with my feet on the

1378
00:59:56.760 --> 00:59:57.059
ground.

1379
00:59:57.119 --> 01:00:00.059
So he's really low because he was running, wasn't he?

1380
01:00:00.059 --> 01:00:01.320
At the start of the series.

1381
01:00:01.380 --> 01:00:06.420
Would you remember like he was like loud and selfish and he wanted

1382
01:00:06.420 --> 01:00:08.820
to be the captain and the captain had the big chair?

1383
01:00:08.880 --> 01:00:11.639
That moment where he says, it's yours.

1384
01:00:11.699 --> 01:00:13.320
It's so good.

1385
01:00:13.320 --> 01:00:15.119
Again, though, I couldn't see it coming.

1386
01:00:15.179 --> 01:00:17.400
I hate to bring these people into it.

1387
01:00:17.460 --> 01:00:22.079
I can just hear those fucking, you know, anti-woven shitters.

1388
01:00:22.139 --> 01:00:22.380
Yeah.

1389
01:00:22.500 --> 01:00:24.360
What's happening?

1390
01:00:24.420 --> 01:00:24.719
Yeah.

1391
01:00:24.719 --> 01:00:28.559
Respect the show is beautiful. respect the bloody chair.

1392
01:00:28.860 --> 01:00:30.900
Yeah, and say that.

1393
01:00:30.960 --> 01:00:36.360
That's the exact same news story that the girls saw on in Children

1394
01:00:36.360 --> 01:00:37.079
of Mars.

1395
01:00:37.139 --> 01:00:39.480
And there's a new fleet.

1396
01:00:39.539 --> 01:00:44.219
And we now know that the new fleet is being built there because of

1397
01:00:44.219 --> 01:00:47.340
what happened in the finale of episode of series one.

1398
01:00:48.179 --> 01:00:51.300
Yeah, I suppose it's dealt with elsewhere, isn't it?

1399
01:00:51.360 --> 01:00:52.679
We don't really need to deal with it.

1400
01:00:52.739 --> 01:00:53.760
No we don't need to see it.

1401
01:00:53.820 --> 01:00:54.539
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1402
01:00:54.599 --> 01:00:54.960
Yeah.

1403
01:00:55.019 --> 01:00:57.659
Oh, look at her idyllic life, Jane.

1404
01:00:57.719 --> 01:01:02.219
Leave her alone, please. that's right beautiful, isn't it?

1405
01:01:02.280 --> 01:01:03.900
wonder if she's got a monkey on that planet.

1406
01:01:03.960 --> 01:01:05.820
She almost...

1407
01:01:05.880 --> 01:01:07.079
No, this is earth, surely.

1408
01:01:07.139 --> 01:01:07.860
She's retired to her.

1409
01:01:08.820 --> 01:01:09.179
Kota.

1410
01:01:09.239 --> 01:01:10.500
I live with a monkey now.

1411
01:01:11.519 --> 01:01:14.519
The jokes they make in that convention.

1412
01:01:14.579 --> 01:01:19.139
I was there as sexy as I've ever looked and you were obsessed with

1413
01:01:19.139 --> 01:01:19.800
this monkey.

1414
01:01:21.599 --> 01:01:23.519
Oh dear.

1415
01:01:23.579 --> 01:01:25.320
Kate goes, what was wrong with me?

1416
01:01:26.099 --> 01:01:28.380
Jerry Taylor, probably.

1417
01:01:28.440 --> 01:01:29.039
Sorry.

1418
01:01:29.400 --> 01:01:33.539
And so Admiral Jellicoe is, of course, in this season, he's the

1419
01:01:33.539 --> 01:01:36.840
intransigent admiral all throughout the season, which is kind of

1420
01:01:36.840 --> 01:01:38.400
awesome. haven't they, you know?

1421
01:01:38.460 --> 01:01:39.179
Yeah, haven't they?

1422
01:01:39.239 --> 01:01:41.579
And it's him, you know, like it's...

1423
01:01:41.579 --> 01:01:43.739
Every time I see him, I just see those memes.

1424
01:01:43.800 --> 01:01:46.559
Have you seen him going about with Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah

1425
01:01:46.619 --> 01:01:50.099
poor old marina dressed in a McDonald's outfit and things like

1426
01:01:50.099 --> 01:01:50.280
that.

1427
01:01:50.340 --> 01:01:51.719
I prefer dress uniform.

1428
01:01:52.860 --> 01:01:54.900
Oh, Marina.

1429
01:01:55.980 --> 01:01:57.599
He's great.

1430
01:01:57.659 --> 01:01:59.340
Oh, he was great.

1431
01:01:59.460 --> 01:02:00.480
He really shook things up.

1432
01:02:00.539 --> 01:02:02.519
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1433
01:02:02.579 --> 01:02:03.059
Yeah.

1434
01:02:03.420 --> 01:02:06.420
Very strange sort of a place to sit down.

1435
01:02:06.480 --> 01:02:07.199
Look at them all.

1436
01:02:07.260 --> 01:02:09.420
Yeah, I don't know where they are.

1437
01:02:09.480 --> 01:02:12.059
I think they're Starfleet Academy because it looks like Janeway

1438
01:02:12.059 --> 01:02:16.679
was like she's going to be running things from there.

1439
01:02:16.739 --> 01:02:21.360
Um, but like all of this stuff, which is the thing that Picard um

1440
01:02:21.360 --> 01:02:26.219
talks, talks about, is all, like it's actually seems that it's a

1441
01:02:26.219 --> 01:02:30.420
bit more serious and a bit more isolationist or maybe they're, they

1442
01:02:30.420 --> 01:02:34.199
exaggerated or make it bigger so that it's clearer for the kids to

1443
01:02:34.199 --> 01:02:34.800
understand.

1444
01:02:34.860 --> 01:02:38.280
But they say we're not doing any, right?

1445
01:02:38.340 --> 01:02:38.820
Yeah, yeah.

1446
01:02:38.880 --> 01:02:40.559
They're threatening not prodigy.

1447
01:02:40.619 --> 01:02:42.000
They're threatening Star Trek.

1448
01:02:42.059 --> 01:02:45.119
And which is why Picard quits, remember?

1449
01:02:45.179 --> 01:02:48.840
Picard resigns because of this, because we're not doing the

1450
01:02:48.840 --> 01:02:51.840
Romulan evacuation or anything anymore.

1451
01:02:52.500 --> 01:02:56.880
I'm not going to go there again, but you know, all those promises

1452
01:02:56.880 --> 01:03:00.059
for new avenues of storytelling in Picard.

1453
01:03:00.119 --> 01:03:03.659
Where do we end up the Borg threatening the Federation, of course

1454
01:03:03.659 --> 01:03:05.639
3 years in a row.

1455
01:03:05.699 --> 01:03:10.559
Jesus.

1456
01:03:10.559 --> 01:03:13.320
I thought my God, we're really doing something new here.

1457
01:03:13.380 --> 01:03:14.699
Of course we're not.

1458
01:03:14.760 --> 01:03:16.679
Prodigy was bolder.

1459
01:03:16.739 --> 01:03:18.059
I would say.

1460
01:03:18.119 --> 01:03:19.380
They do have the Borg.

1461
01:03:19.500 --> 01:03:21.599
We do see the Borg in a couple of times.

1462
01:03:21.599 --> 01:03:23.099
No, they're doing their own thing over here.

1463
01:03:23.159 --> 01:03:26.880
Yeah, they may turn up a little bit, but look at that beautiful

1464
01:03:26.880 --> 01:03:27.599
shot there.

1465
01:03:27.719 --> 01:03:29.340
Yeah.

1466
01:03:29.400 --> 01:03:33.599
So it's a USS prodigy, adorably, instead of the protest.

1467
01:03:33.719 --> 01:03:36.239
Oh my god, I could see the class. all over the house.

1468
01:03:36.300 --> 01:03:37.559
Yes, all over the ship.

1469
01:03:37.619 --> 01:03:39.360
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, true, isn't it?

1470
01:03:39.420 --> 01:03:44.099
And so, you're right, this is absolutely implausible and a total

1471
01:03:44.099 --> 01:03:46.380
kids show solution to the problem.

1472
01:03:46.800 --> 01:03:49.860
We can't go out and explore space anymore.

1473
01:03:49.920 --> 01:03:53.159
Our entire status is threatened, but you take that ship out, all

1474
01:03:53.159 --> 01:03:53.340
right?

1475
01:03:53.460 --> 01:03:54.659
You take that chip.

1476
01:03:54.719 --> 01:03:55.619
Here you are.

1477
01:03:55.679 --> 01:03:58.139
We're putting you in the care of Hologram Janeway, who's still

1478
01:03:58.139 --> 01:04:01.199
alive, and we're going to start the show again doing what it

1479
01:04:01.199 --> 01:04:02.400
looked like it was going to do.

1480
01:04:02.460 --> 01:04:06.420
No, no, I, and I do like how they all seeking the different shows

1481
01:04:06.420 --> 01:04:10.440
but maybe if I'd have known, I would have taken that out and just

1482
01:04:10.440 --> 01:04:15.659
done this, because it works just as well with them saving the day

1483
01:04:15.659 --> 01:04:18.300
having their character moments and then getting the ship without

1484
01:04:18.300 --> 01:04:21.300
any of that utopia pleasure stuff.

1485
01:04:21.360 --> 01:04:22.320
Yeah.

1486
01:04:22.380 --> 01:04:23.940
So I think that's there.

1487
01:04:24.000 --> 01:04:28.679
I do think that's there in order to make it a part of Kurtzman

1488
01:04:28.679 --> 01:04:29.099
track.

1489
01:04:29.159 --> 01:04:33.300
And I think it's there in case we're setting up series three.

1490
01:04:33.360 --> 01:04:35.400
Yeah, that we have a premise.

1491
01:04:35.460 --> 01:04:35.940
That's right.

1492
01:04:36.000 --> 01:04:40.019
And since we're not setting up series three, I think it works

1493
01:04:40.019 --> 01:04:43.679
terrifically well, because I want to imagine them all flying off

1494
01:04:43.679 --> 01:04:48.719
in the USS prodigy and having terrible and exciting adventures

1495
01:04:48.719 --> 01:04:50.280
uh...

1496
01:04:50.280 --> 01:04:52.440
Even said, just in case we're paying attention.

1497
01:04:52.500 --> 01:04:55.679
It goes, so this is what Wesley was talking about, our future.

1498
01:04:55.739 --> 01:04:56.519
Yeah, yeah.

1499
01:04:56.579 --> 01:04:57.179
Yeah.

1500
01:04:57.239 --> 01:04:57.780
Yeah.

1501
01:04:57.840 --> 01:05:01.679
Oh, I'm so assuming we were going to have the doctor in series 3

1502
01:05:01.679 --> 01:05:03.480
then because he's here on the ship, isn't he?

1503
01:05:03.599 --> 01:05:06.179
No, I meant they they all they get off.

1504
01:05:06.239 --> 01:05:09.539
And so it's just going to be, it's just going to be Janeway and

1505
01:05:09.539 --> 01:05:13.079
the crew from the 1st episode plus Majale.

1506
01:05:13.139 --> 01:05:16.320
She's starting to look a bit like red from that prison show she

1507
01:05:16.320 --> 01:05:16.860
was on.

1508
01:05:16.920 --> 01:05:18.480
Janeway there, isn't she?

1509
01:05:18.539 --> 01:05:23.820
Well, I mean, look how they've animated poor Robert Picardo

1510
01:05:23.820 --> 01:05:24.059
there.

1511
01:05:24.119 --> 01:05:25.139
He looks very odd.

1512
01:05:25.260 --> 01:05:26.280
I know.

1513
01:05:26.340 --> 01:05:28.980
I think I think both Roberts are kind of odd in this.

1514
01:05:29.039 --> 01:05:32.820
So this moment, which I just think is perfect.

1515
01:05:32.880 --> 01:05:36.960
It is absolutely perfect because the show looks like it's setting

1516
01:05:36.960 --> 01:05:38.820
up Dale as the main character.

1517
01:05:38.880 --> 01:05:40.860
And for a while he is.

1518
01:05:40.920 --> 01:05:44.880
He's the captain of the proto star for a while, but what he's

1519
01:05:44.880 --> 01:05:49.260
learned is not to be arrogant and he loves and admires Gwyn.

1520
01:05:49.320 --> 01:05:52.920
And I just found this ending super moving and surprising.

1521
01:05:52.980 --> 01:05:53.820
I didn't expect it.

1522
01:05:55.199 --> 01:05:56.760
No, you're not going to like me saying this.

1523
01:05:56.820 --> 01:05:57.659
I'm so sorry.

1524
01:05:57.719 --> 01:06:03.360
But it surprises me pleasingly in a way that discovery never

1525
01:06:03.360 --> 01:06:03.719
would.

1526
01:06:03.780 --> 01:06:06.000
It was always going to put...

1527
01:06:06.000 --> 01:06:08.519
She had to be burned on that chair, wouldn't it?

1528
01:06:08.579 --> 01:06:11.219
Whereas I would have loved it if Burnham went to Saru.

1529
01:06:11.280 --> 01:06:12.059
Do you know what?

1530
01:06:12.119 --> 01:06:13.440
You were a fabulous captain.

1531
01:06:13.500 --> 01:06:14.699
You do it, yeah.

1532
01:06:14.760 --> 01:06:16.199
But this is great.

1533
01:06:16.739 --> 01:06:19.440
Look at Murph, punches the air.

1534
01:06:19.500 --> 01:06:19.920
Yes.

1535
01:06:19.980 --> 01:06:21.659
Off we go.

1536
01:06:21.719 --> 01:06:24.420
But but it's the shot.

1537
01:06:24.480 --> 01:06:29.099
Like we recreate the shot from the end of Discovery Series 3 with

1538
01:06:29.099 --> 01:06:30.840
Michael sitting in the chair.

1539
01:06:30.900 --> 01:06:37.019
Finally, with that beautiful Sanequa smile. you know, that moment

1540
01:06:37.019 --> 01:06:38.400
of triumph at the end of the series.

1541
01:06:38.460 --> 01:06:41.159
Oh, look at the triple, create that with her.

1542
01:06:41.219 --> 01:06:43.079
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know.

1543
01:06:43.139 --> 01:06:44.699
I'm coming too.

1544
01:06:44.940 --> 01:06:47.099
Let's reach the stars.

1545
01:06:47.159 --> 01:06:48.840
Oh, my God.

1546
01:06:48.900 --> 01:06:50.219
Let's go.

1547
01:06:50.280 --> 01:06:52.260
Jayway at the front.

1548
01:06:52.320 --> 01:06:53.219
Great ending.

1549
01:06:53.280 --> 01:06:54.360
Zoom out of the ship.

1550
01:06:54.599 --> 01:06:59.219
Can we recreate the last shot of the Voyager title sequence?

1551
01:06:59.340 --> 01:07:02.579
You look. this is the last shot of the voyager title sequence

1552
01:07:03.179 --> 01:07:04.860
There it goes.

1553
01:07:05.159 --> 01:07:07.739
Off into the distance. beautiful.

1554
01:07:07.800 --> 01:07:09.239
So good.

1555
01:07:09.300 --> 01:07:12.420
Oh, I feel as if they were all for terrifying and exciting

1556
01:07:12.420 --> 01:07:13.320
adventures, you know.

1557
01:07:13.380 --> 01:07:14.639
I can't.

1558
01:07:14.760 --> 01:07:14.940
Yeah.

1559
01:07:15.000 --> 01:07:17.940
You were gonna say, I can't wait.

1560
01:07:17.940 --> 01:07:18.840
I know.

1561
01:07:18.900 --> 01:07:21.420
We can't do that.

1562
01:07:21.420 --> 01:07:22.440
We do.

1563
01:07:22.500 --> 01:07:27.059
In my head, I feel as if they had at least 6 more seasons of 20

1564
01:07:27.059 --> 01:07:28.980
episodes of 8, you know?

1565
01:07:29.099 --> 01:07:32.039
We left time travel for a couple of seasons. you know, we've done

1566
01:07:32.039 --> 01:07:34.019
that now, you know. no that's right.

1567
01:07:34.079 --> 01:07:37.739
We spent a whole season in a fabulous alternative universe, you

1568
01:07:37.739 --> 01:07:40.920
know, where there were some alternative versions of Murph, you

1569
01:07:40.920 --> 01:07:42.360
know, evil Nazi Murph.

1570
01:07:42.420 --> 01:07:43.019
It was amazing.

1571
01:07:43.079 --> 01:07:45.179
No, I don't want evil Nazi.

1572
01:07:45.239 --> 01:07:47.639
Well, that just made our Murph even better, you know.

1573
01:07:47.699 --> 01:07:50.039
But it's only he taught him the way to the Federation.

1574
01:07:50.099 --> 01:07:51.239
It was fine, you know.

1575
01:07:51.300 --> 01:07:55.079
Of course, the ball turned up at some point to be a great Fred

1576
01:07:55.079 --> 01:07:55.920
Federation.

1577
01:07:55.980 --> 01:07:56.880
Yeah.

1578
01:07:56.940 --> 01:07:58.739
Oh, it was wonderful.

1579
01:07:59.460 --> 01:08:02.880
I, I, you know, can we get Una to write a book?

1580
01:08:02.940 --> 01:08:03.420
I don't know.

1581
01:08:03.480 --> 01:08:06.239
Like we need we need more of these adventures, I think.

1582
01:08:06.300 --> 01:08:12.900
But I do think as, like, um, 2 seasons to show that this concept

1583
01:08:12.900 --> 01:08:18.119
of a Star Trek for children could work extremely well.

1584
01:08:18.180 --> 01:08:21.180
Like some shows.

1585
01:08:21.239 --> 01:08:25.560
I'm going to suggest that maybe Discovery didn't end on its best

1586
01:08:25.560 --> 01:08:28.920
season by the evidence of what I saw the other day.

1587
01:08:28.979 --> 01:08:33.720
Some shows maybe go on a little bit too long, whereas some shows

1588
01:08:33.720 --> 01:08:37.680
end at their high and you're left going.

1589
01:08:37.739 --> 01:08:41.520
Oh, I just, please, could we not have had a bit more of that, you

1590
01:08:41.520 --> 01:08:41.699
know?

1591
01:08:41.880 --> 01:08:45.180
I think I'd rather a show goes out on a high.

1592
01:08:45.239 --> 01:08:48.119
I know we would have liked to have had more, but it was a great

1593
01:08:48.119 --> 01:08:48.359
ending.

1594
01:08:48.479 --> 01:08:49.680
It was a great ending.

1595
01:08:49.739 --> 01:08:50.279
Perfect.

1596
01:08:50.340 --> 01:08:51.359
Yeah, really good.

1597
01:08:51.420 --> 01:08:52.920
Well, I mean, same with lower decks.

1598
01:08:52.979 --> 01:08:54.420
Lower decks has a great ending as well.

1599
01:08:54.479 --> 01:08:56.220
I would have loved to have seen that continue.

1600
01:08:56.279 --> 01:08:57.720
I was not sick of it.

1601
01:08:57.779 --> 01:09:01.439
It was great, and it went out on an absolute high with a really

1602
01:09:01.439 --> 01:09:02.340
good final episode.

1603
01:09:02.399 --> 01:09:07.380
To quote Patrick Stewart and sometimes Almond Shimmerman, the line

1604
01:09:07.380 --> 01:09:09.180
must be drawn here.

1605
01:09:09.300 --> 01:09:13.380
This is the most visually stunning Star Trek show we have ever

1606
01:09:13.380 --> 01:09:14.159
had.

1607
01:09:14.279 --> 01:09:16.079
Bar nun.

1608
01:09:16.140 --> 01:09:20.159
I think I think they took the fact that it was computer generated

1609
01:09:20.159 --> 01:09:26.279
and ran with it and gave us the most extraordinary special effects

1610
01:09:26.279 --> 01:09:31.739
and backdrops and weird aliens and truly like taking us where no

1611
01:09:31.739 --> 01:09:33.180
Star Trek show has gone before.

1612
01:09:33.239 --> 01:09:37.199
I was just half the time watching the pictures there and just

1613
01:09:37.199 --> 01:09:39.840
going, my God, this is just a feast on my eyes.

1614
01:09:40.079 --> 01:09:44.100
Just watching it, even without the dialogue, without the music and

1615
01:09:44.100 --> 01:09:46.979
all of that adds extra worth to it, of course.

1616
01:09:47.039 --> 01:09:48.840
But just visually.

1617
01:09:48.899 --> 01:09:52.260
I think it's as ambitious, I think, as Star Trek's ever been.

1618
01:09:52.319 --> 01:09:53.640
Yeah, for sure.

1619
01:10:01.199 --> 01:10:04.020
All right, it's the end of the episode.

1620
01:10:04.079 --> 01:10:07.199
It's time for us to work out where we're going to next.

1621
01:10:07.260 --> 01:10:12.960
This was my choice, and so you have control of the Randomiser Joe

1622
01:10:13.020 --> 01:10:16.439
What series and maybe what season are we doing?

1623
01:10:16.500 --> 01:10:18.840
Oh, I'm definitely doing a series in the season.

1624
01:10:18.899 --> 01:10:21.060
I won't be not doing that for some time now.

1625
01:10:21.119 --> 01:10:26.220
Could I select, if I choose different series, could I, like

1626
01:10:26.220 --> 01:10:29.159
subject season one of all theories?

1627
01:10:29.220 --> 01:10:30.180
No.

1628
01:10:30.239 --> 01:10:32.640
Oh, shame, that would be great.

1629
01:10:33.239 --> 01:10:37.979
I mean, I could implement that maybe, but all I've done so far.

1630
01:10:38.039 --> 01:10:40.800
I'm always asking for more, aren't I?

1631
01:10:40.859 --> 01:10:41.819
I'm never satisfied.

1632
01:10:41.880 --> 01:10:42.960
Maybe I'll come.

1633
01:10:43.020 --> 01:10:46.979
No, no, I just want to let everybody know about another little

1634
01:10:46.979 --> 01:10:52.439
side hustle that Nathan Scott called Startling Barbara Bain.

1635
01:10:52.680 --> 01:10:57.180
The Space 1999 podcast, you know?

1636
01:10:59.520 --> 01:11:04.020
Another visually stunning for the time, a very expensive

1637
01:11:04.020 --> 01:11:06.300
television series.

1638
01:11:06.359 --> 01:11:10.500
At least until Fred Freiburger got his hands on it in the 2nd

1639
01:11:10.500 --> 01:11:10.859
season.

1640
01:11:10.979 --> 01:11:12.600
That's right.

1641
01:11:12.779 --> 01:11:15.420
So now whereabouts are you in your sort of voyage through that?

1642
01:11:15.479 --> 01:11:21.180
We are just a couple of episodes away from the beginning of series

1643
01:11:21.180 --> 01:11:25.619
2 with really halfway there. so it's all about to go to shit.

1644
01:11:25.680 --> 01:11:31.319
This is the perfect time then for us to do an original series

1645
01:11:31.319 --> 01:11:36.000
series 3, episode, to sort of give you a little hint of what your

1646
01:11:36.000 --> 01:11:39.119
future is with uh startling Barbara Bane, all right?

1647
01:11:39.180 --> 01:11:41.699
Everything he touches turns to shit.

1648
01:11:41.760 --> 01:11:46.560
So the backstory is, of course, that after series 2 of original

1649
01:11:46.560 --> 01:11:51.840
Trek, Freddie Freiberger came and took over and started series 3

1650
01:11:51.840 --> 01:11:58.859
with, of course, Spock's brain and then later on, Hetty from that

1651
01:11:58.859 --> 01:11:59.399
success.

1652
01:11:59.460 --> 01:12:02.399
He was given space 1999 to ruin.

1653
01:12:02.460 --> 01:12:04.680
So they give him an upper show.

1654
01:12:04.739 --> 01:12:05.159
I know.

1655
01:12:05.880 --> 01:12:07.079
Unbelievable.

1656
01:12:07.140 --> 01:12:07.859
Absolutely.

1657
01:12:07.920 --> 01:12:09.779
He must have had some photographs of somebody, right?

1658
01:12:09.779 --> 01:12:10.680
must have done, yeah.

1659
01:12:10.800 --> 01:12:11.340
Surely.

1660
01:12:11.399 --> 01:12:13.739
Jerry Anson or something like that, yeah.

1661
01:12:13.800 --> 01:12:17.220
Okay, well, look, so we're going to do the original series series

1662
01:12:17.220 --> 01:12:17.579
three.

1663
01:12:17.640 --> 01:12:19.439
I feel like we haven't done TOS for a little while.

1664
01:12:19.500 --> 01:12:20.340
Yeah, yeah.

1665
01:12:20.340 --> 01:12:23.640
We tend to always have fun with it, whether it's good or bad.

1666
01:12:23.699 --> 01:12:25.380
Which it is.

1667
01:12:25.439 --> 01:12:26.939
It's both.

1668
01:12:27.000 --> 01:12:27.479
Yes, yes.

1669
01:12:27.539 --> 01:12:28.800
It doesn't manage to be both.

1670
01:12:28.859 --> 01:12:31.199
Oh, good grief, wall.

1671
01:12:31.260 --> 01:12:31.560
Look at that.

1672
01:12:31.619 --> 01:12:32.340
One we've done already.

1673
01:12:32.399 --> 01:12:34.979
One that you thought was so boring.

1674
01:12:35.039 --> 01:12:36.479
The empath.

1675
01:12:36.479 --> 01:12:37.800
It is the empath.

1676
01:12:37.859 --> 01:12:39.000
Yes, so bad.

1677
01:12:39.060 --> 01:12:40.260
So terrible.

1678
01:12:40.319 --> 01:12:41.880
Episode 12.

1679
01:12:42.420 --> 01:12:44.399
Okay, shocking. next one here.

1680
01:12:44.460 --> 01:12:48.779
Is there in truth, no beauty?

1681
01:12:48.840 --> 01:12:49.619
Okay.

1682
01:12:49.680 --> 01:12:51.659
Season three, episode five.

1683
01:12:51.720 --> 01:12:55.920
There is an episode of Star Trek Prodigy called Is There in Beauty

1684
01:12:55.920 --> 01:12:56.520
No Truth.

1685
01:12:56.880 --> 01:13:05.760
And the guest star here is Diana Meldar, and the alien in it is a

1686
01:13:05.760 --> 01:13:09.239
Medusin, which is what 0 is.

1687
01:13:09.239 --> 01:13:11.819
I think.

1688
01:13:11.880 --> 01:13:14.520
I'm pretty sure that that's what we're talking about.

1689
01:13:14.579 --> 01:13:21.119
So this is a source of much law. and probably worth a look.

1690
01:13:21.239 --> 01:13:24.420
Unfortunately, I have already pressed the button again.

1691
01:13:24.479 --> 01:13:25.619
I'm so sorry.

1692
01:13:25.680 --> 01:13:29.579
I mean, you know, you did all sound very enticing, but it almost

1693
01:13:29.579 --> 01:13:30.659
sounded a bit too good, actually.

1694
01:13:30.720 --> 01:13:31.619
That might be good.

1695
01:13:31.619 --> 01:13:32.520
But I'm honest.

1696
01:13:32.579 --> 01:13:36.119
Diana Moldar is going to raise the quality quite a bit. beautiful

1697
01:13:36.119 --> 01:13:37.619
back in the 60s, wasn't she?

1698
01:13:37.680 --> 01:13:40.439
I mean, I think she's still fairly beautiful, isn't it?

1699
01:13:40.500 --> 01:13:41.340
in the 80s.

1700
01:13:41.399 --> 01:13:44.579
Now, look, I don't think we're going to do the next one I've

1701
01:13:44.579 --> 01:13:48.539
chosen because it's another serious finale.

1702
01:13:48.600 --> 01:13:50.279
It's a Savage Curtain.

1703
01:13:50.279 --> 01:13:52.199
Season 3 episode.

1704
01:13:52.260 --> 01:13:53.579
No. that the last one?

1705
01:13:53.640 --> 01:13:55.979
No, the last one's turnabout intruder.

1706
01:13:56.039 --> 01:13:56.399
Remember?

1707
01:13:56.460 --> 01:13:59.399
It's the one that aired during my lifetime.

1708
01:13:59.460 --> 01:14:01.199
It's the only episode...

1709
01:14:01.260 --> 01:14:02.279
The Savage Curtain, then.

1710
01:14:02.399 --> 01:14:03.359
I don't know.

1711
01:14:03.420 --> 01:14:04.260
Don't know.

1712
01:14:04.319 --> 01:14:05.159
It's about a curtain.

1713
01:14:05.279 --> 01:14:06.779
Savage.

1714
01:14:06.840 --> 01:14:08.100
Hang on a minute. let me just look it up.

1715
01:14:08.159 --> 01:14:10.140
If the premise sounds good.

1716
01:14:10.199 --> 01:14:11.460
Then we'll do it.

1717
01:14:11.520 --> 01:14:13.319
But if it sounds terrible, then we won't.

1718
01:14:13.380 --> 01:14:14.520
Okay, let me read it out.

1719
01:14:14.579 --> 01:14:15.600
Let me read it out.

1720
01:14:15.659 --> 01:14:17.279
So yeah.

1721
01:14:17.340 --> 01:14:22.859
An entity claiming to be a Brad Lincoln invites skirk and spot to

1722
01:14:22.859 --> 01:14:26.819
the planet's surface where an advanced life form vies to study the

1723
01:14:26.819 --> 01:14:28.859
methodologies of both good and evil.

1724
01:14:28.920 --> 01:14:30.359
It just sounds dreadful.

1725
01:14:30.420 --> 01:14:37.500
And of course, we did send our logo back in time to the 1960s.

1726
01:14:37.560 --> 01:14:42.300
So it is based on the logo for untitled Star Trek Project, which

1727
01:14:42.300 --> 01:14:44.279
also features Abraham Lincoln.

1728
01:14:44.340 --> 01:14:48.239
Now, I don't know if you remember this feature...

1729
01:14:48.300 --> 01:14:54.779
The most memorable monster TOS ever gave us, which is an enormous

1730
01:14:54.779 --> 01:14:58.260
smoking, stinking turd.

1731
01:14:58.319 --> 01:15:00.420
I mean, with ice.

1732
01:15:00.600 --> 01:15:05.399
It just looks like, you know, you ever picked up excrement from

1733
01:15:05.399 --> 01:15:06.960
your dog when you were in the park.

1734
01:15:07.020 --> 01:15:11.220
That is what this creature looks like with our face.

1735
01:15:11.220 --> 01:15:11.939
And it smokes.

1736
01:15:12.479 --> 01:15:17.760
I remember this, this being truly, truly terrible.

1737
01:15:17.819 --> 01:15:19.739
I mean, I can't wait.

1738
01:15:19.800 --> 01:15:21.239
It sounds terrific.

1739
01:15:21.300 --> 01:15:24.119
Okay, Abraham Linton flying through space.

1740
01:15:24.180 --> 01:15:26.340
I mean, I alluded to it all the time, don't I?

1741
01:15:26.399 --> 01:15:28.140
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.

1742
01:15:28.199 --> 01:15:29.460
All right, let's do it.

1743
01:15:37.680 --> 01:15:41.220
We've been listening to untitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford

1744
01:15:41.220 --> 01:15:45.239
and Nathan Bottomley, where online at untitled Star Trek Project

1745
01:15:44.520 --> 01:15:47.819
com where you can find subscription links and links to our social

1746
01:15:47.819 --> 01:15:48.779
media accounts.

1747
01:15:48.840 --> 01:15:52.619
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Ciceran, and the theme was

1748
01:15:52.619 --> 01:15:54.180
composed by Cameron Lahn.

1749
01:15:54.239 --> 01:15:58.680
This episode was recorded on the 17th of March 2026 and released

1750
01:15:58.680 --> 01:16:00.060
on the 20th of March.

1751
01:16:00.119 --> 01:16:03.779
We'll see you next time for Star Trek, the original series, The

1752
01:16:03.779 --> 01:16:04.680
Savage Curtain.

1753
01:16:22.739 --> 01:16:26.039
Even Jama gives it one.5 stalls.

1754
01:16:26.100 --> 01:16:32.039
Well, but he gives he gives away to Eden 0 stars, which it doesn't

1755
01:16:32.039 --> 01:16:32.819
deserve.

1756
01:16:32.880 --> 01:16:34.500
I don't think it deserves at all.

1757
01:16:34.560 --> 01:16:37.500
I'm not sure I'd give 0 styles to anything.

1758
01:16:38.159 --> 01:16:40.920
Not even manhunt.

1759
01:16:40.979 --> 01:16:42.060
I give it half a star.

1760
01:16:42.119 --> 01:16:45.479
So it gives Spock's brain half a star, but I think Spock's brain

1761
01:16:45.479 --> 01:16:51.180
is vastly more boring and worthless than the way to eat, which is

1762
01:16:51.180 --> 01:16:55.439
at least about something, you know, even though it is about how

1763
01:16:55.439 --> 01:16:57.659
horrible and stupid children are.

1764
01:16:57.720 --> 01:17:03.600
Um, but, you know, that, I think, is terrifying, like that ending

1765
01:17:03.600 --> 01:17:04.140
is so good.

1766
01:17:04.199 --> 01:17:06.359
It's all, do you know what?

1767
01:17:06.420 --> 01:17:10.859
The sockage code is all set on, you know, the dreadful planet

1768
01:17:10.859 --> 01:17:12.000
surface as well.

1769
01:17:12.060 --> 01:17:16.140
That's sad with the cyclorama bacon.

1770
01:17:16.199 --> 01:17:23.039
And it's, it's a sort of um, Kirk and Spock and McCoy with Abraham

1771
01:17:23.039 --> 01:17:29.100
Lincoln, and Surak against...

1772
01:17:29.159 --> 01:17:33.600
They literally just throwing loads of elements in and hoping that

1773
01:17:33.600 --> 01:17:36.119
something entertaining is going to come out of it, but it's just

1774
01:17:36.119 --> 01:17:36.720
terrible.

1775
01:17:36.779 --> 01:17:40.199
Why, why the curtain?

1776
01:17:40.319 --> 01:17:42.060
Why is it a curtain?

1777
01:17:42.119 --> 01:17:43.380
And why does it sound?

1778
01:17:43.439 --> 01:17:44.279
Oh, sure.

1779
01:17:44.340 --> 01:17:48.720
Well, it's sort of like, will you, will you descend to your baser

1780
01:17:48.720 --> 01:17:53.880
instincts and and, you know, kill the opposition?

1781
01:17:53.939 --> 01:17:56.819
So they kill Abraham Lincoln as well in this?

1782
01:17:56.880 --> 01:17:57.659
I do.

1783
01:17:57.659 --> 01:17:59.640
That's great.

1784
01:18:00.119 --> 01:18:03.960
Apart from that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you enjoy the episode?

1785
01:18:04.020 --> 01:18:05.939
Oh man, hang on.

1786
01:18:06.000 --> 01:18:07.680
I've just got to show you the monster.

1787
01:18:07.739 --> 01:18:10.020
It is something else.

1788
01:18:10.319 --> 01:18:13.979
I don't know if pictures will do it justice because when it's

1789
01:18:13.979 --> 01:18:17.579
moving, I was just like, what the fuck is that?

1790
01:18:18.180 --> 01:18:20.399
What were they thinking?

1791
01:18:21.119 --> 01:18:24.119
Oh, that's awesome.

1792
01:18:24.180 --> 01:18:25.920
It does surprise.

1793
01:18:25.979 --> 01:18:26.460
Yeah.

1794
01:18:26.520 --> 01:18:28.619
It's like a massive...

1795
01:18:28.619 --> 01:18:30.119
It's like a big crab.

1796
01:18:30.180 --> 01:18:31.380
It is a big boo.

1797
01:18:31.439 --> 01:18:33.539
That's amazing.

1798
01:18:33.600 --> 01:18:35.579
That's amazing.

1799
01:18:35.640 --> 01:18:37.680
The precursor for armus, you know?

1800
01:18:37.739 --> 01:18:38.880
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1801
01:18:38.939 --> 01:18:40.380
It is kind of armous, isn't it?

1802
01:18:40.439 --> 01:18:41.520
In the show.

1803
01:18:41.579 --> 01:18:42.899
I thought you know you can see it, eh?

1804
01:18:42.960 --> 01:18:44.159
He sort of smokes as well.

1805
01:18:44.220 --> 01:18:46.260
So it's like a hot poo, you know?

1806
01:18:46.319 --> 01:18:48.539
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1807
01:18:48.600 --> 01:18:52.020
So it's called, oh, look at Doc Ohho reviews.

1808
01:18:52.079 --> 01:18:53.159
Yes, yes.

1809
01:18:53.220 --> 01:18:54.239
Was I kind?

1810
01:18:54.300 --> 01:18:55.739
I doubt it.

1811
01:18:56.760 --> 01:19:01.739
Uh, you've never watched it before this marathon, blah, blah, blah

1812
01:19:01.800 --> 01:19:03.960
one. 5 out of five.

1813
01:19:04.079 --> 01:19:05.939
So you actually give it less.

1814
01:19:05.939 --> 01:19:10.739
You give it less because he's doing it out of four, isn't he?

1815
01:19:10.800 --> 01:19:13.560
These are the evil people that they're fighting.

1816
01:19:13.979 --> 01:19:14.819
Look how camp they look.

1817
01:19:14.880 --> 01:19:16.020
Oh my god.

1818
01:19:16.079 --> 01:19:20.340
It's Genghis Khan and it's like a Klingon and it's like a woman

1819
01:19:20.340 --> 01:19:23.460
and it's like a space guy.

1820
01:19:23.640 --> 01:19:25.979
Oh, it's just great.

1821
01:19:26.039 --> 01:19:27.960
I mean terrible but wonderful.

1822
01:19:28.079 --> 01:19:29.699
Oh my god.

1823
01:19:29.760 --> 01:19:32.399
I mean, look at these for fuck's sakes.

1824
01:19:32.520 --> 01:19:33.720
What the hell?

1825
01:19:33.840 --> 01:19:36.180
It's going to be so boring.

1826
01:19:36.239 --> 01:19:38.159
Like it's going to be boring, isn't it?

1827
01:19:38.279 --> 01:19:39.479
It's going to be boring.

1828
01:19:39.600 --> 01:19:41.520
Well, let's find out.

1829
01:19:41.579 --> 01:19:44.699
Let's find out I mean, we'll have fun with it, right?

1830
01:19:44.760 --> 01:19:45.300
No matter what.

1831
01:19:45.359 --> 01:19:47.340
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1832
01:19:47.399 --> 01:19:48.239
Oh my god.

1833
01:19:48.300 --> 01:19:49.079
Oh, that's right.

1834
01:19:49.140 --> 01:19:50.699
I remember the Pooh sort of does this.

1835
01:19:50.760 --> 01:19:52.920
He sort of bows his head like this all the time.

1836
01:19:53.279 --> 01:19:56.220
You will fire it for me.

1837
01:19:56.279 --> 01:19:57.659
Oh my god.

1838
01:19:58.319 --> 01:20:00.239
Oh, bless.

1839
01:20:01.079 --> 01:20:03.420
Arena, only shit.

1840
01:20:03.479 --> 01:20:05.039
How did we ever recover?

1841
01:20:05.100 --> 01:20:06.659
I know.

1842
01:20:06.720 --> 01:20:09.420
Why are they still making this stupid show after all of her?

1843
01:20:10.079 --> 01:20:14.100
I mean, we did say we like it when it's, you know, weird and

1844
01:20:14.100 --> 01:20:17.640
Abraham Lincoln versus a smoking turd is pretty weird.

1845
01:20:17.760 --> 01:20:19.319
Yeah, that's true.

1846
01:20:19.380 --> 01:20:23.340
But, I mean, essentially, again, that's what Space 1999 series 2

1847
01:20:23.340 --> 01:20:27.539
is, it's like a series of just sort of massively ill-advised

1848
01:20:27.539 --> 01:20:31.140
monsters and... realise.

1849
01:20:31.680 --> 01:20:34.979
They actually look like some of them look pretty great.

1850
01:20:35.100 --> 01:20:37.260
And then the trees, the trees of Luten.

1851
01:20:41.340 --> 01:20:45.119
The irony of being very...