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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So, this is season two, episode one, which is always my favourite

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episode of a series.

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It's series 2, episode one of Star Trek Deep Space Nine.

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It's called The Homecoming, and it 1st aired on the 26th of

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September, 1993, which is, I gather some time ago. a long time ago

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now.

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I was 13.

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Yeah, no, I wasn't.

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It's pretty great, I have to say.

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I really did enjoy myself.

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And it did exactly, I think, what series 2, episode one needs to

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do.

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Which is?

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Well, it's kind of like a mission statement going forward.

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You've kind of done your 1st season and, you know, your 1st set of

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ideas are out there.

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You've established what the show is and what it's like.

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And series 2, episode one always tells you where we're going.

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And like, in a way, this is a bit atypical series 2, episode one

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because the one thing that it doesn't do, which I don't think you

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would try and get away with now, is it doesn't have a really big

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hook, I think.

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But what it does do is it gives us a fair amount of hang time with

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the crew.

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It reestablishes relationships and we get to see them doing new

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things and interacting in slightly different ways from what we've

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seen before, but it still establishes who they all are.

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It shows us the top floor, which was very, very...

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I told you, didn't I?

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You shot the camera zooms around and shows you the top level of

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quarks.

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Yeah, yeah.

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We spend money.

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You'll see it.

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So it shows you that.

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It goes on location and it has a cliffhanger which threatens the

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status quo, which I think is a pretty good thing.

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In an interesting way, right?

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It's not like a big political moves like DS9 usually does.

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Yes, we're going to remove a character that is central to the show

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which kind of shows us how much we care about that character.

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Yeah.

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You said they're about learning what they're going to do.

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I think season one was them learning what they're not going to do

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for the most part, because, you know, that middle part of season

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one is them basically saying, right, we've spent all the money on

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the pilot, and now we're going to do a ton of TNG knockoffs, you

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know, dramatis personae, and, oh, God, what have we got in there?

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Battle lines, you know, on the planet where people can't die and

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all these sort of premises of the week.

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And at the same time, we're going to bring in Laxana Troy, Q

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Lurser, and Beto.

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We're gonna try so hard to bring in that TNG crowd.

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Yeah.

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And bizarrely, that kind of didn't work at all and it isn't at all

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where DS9 lands and the viewers haemorrhaged from the pilot anyway

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even though they were doing all those cheap tricks.

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Then at the end of the season, you have that double whammy of duet

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and in the hands of the prophets and you can actually feel them

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within the writing and everything going, oh my god, this is what

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this show is.

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And as memory alpha pleasingly tells us, Michael Piller goes

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season two, episode one, our mission statement is not TNG, which

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is what we did last year.

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What makes DS9 unique?

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It's the stationary setting.

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It's these characters.

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It's the politics, it's the Bajoran, Cardassian conflict, all of

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that stuff.

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And so they lean in.

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We've a huge, like 3 part, and this is, I think, this is a quiet

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opener, but it is setting down all of the setup for a really big

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political, really interesting, a very funny, a very ultimately

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action-packed, 3 part story that we've never, ever done before.

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It really is a confident start to season two, I think.

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Even though this is a gentle beginning.

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Yeah, yeah.

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I think we said something about it last week where this is where

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Deep Space 9 actually lands, and this is its 1st kind of best of

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both worlds, where we slightly change the premise of the show, that

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we, we discover a little bit more about Bajor, uh, and what its

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politics are like now, like what's been happening on Bajor, while

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all this sort of nonsense from season one was going on, and it

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turns out we have a kind of movement or a supremacist movement

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that's starting to grow.

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We haven't heard about that before, and that does turn up here.

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And it is introduced very gradually.

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I think you'd be tempted now to have some kind of terrorist attack

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or something big, you know, the way that that Vulcan 3 partter

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starts, I think, on, you know, in Enterprise series 4.

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You don't get that here.

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It is, like, it starts with a bit of graffiti, you know, and

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there's a lot of dialogue.

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Like what's happening on Beja is not something that we see, but we

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are told about it quite a lot.

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I mean, there's a scene in episode 2 where Kira's down on the

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planet and she goes, oh, God, I wasn't expecting a storm today and

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it's gunfire.

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You can hear gunfire.

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So the planet is literally going to war by the end of this 3

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part.

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Right.

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Yeah, yeah.

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I mean it's huge.

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That is a big thing and it is a different threat too.

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It's not a threat that you, I think that you're kind of

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anticipating when you start watching it in series one and it's

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clever.

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Do you know what I mean?

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It grows organically from the premise, I think.

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And then, of course, we get the twist, spiler alert, which is that

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the supremacist group or the separatist groups are being

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bankrolled by the Cardassians.

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And I think that's brilliant because it's not an allegory or

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anything, but it does talk about the way that, I mean, you know

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like English speaking countries, at least now, are being tricked

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the populations are being tricked into blaming immigration for

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their problems in order to distract them from something else

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terrible that's going on around them instead.

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And so you can see that happening here.

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The Cardassians actually kind of stoking this separatism thing so

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that the Federation's forced to leave and that leaves them wide

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open for kind of reoccupation.

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I mean, we always say, don't we, the biggest threat you can have

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to a TV show is to threaten the status quo.

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And the threat here is, is that we are literally going to go back

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to where we were before emissaries started, and the federation

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won't be on the station.

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I mean, they're even still a year on.

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They're still calling it the provisional government.

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Yeah, they haven't really got their act together, have they, in a

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year?

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So I don't think it's very hard for Minister Jaro and his group of

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rebels to incite the sort of, and then when he brings in win as

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well, you know, it goes for the religious angle too.

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Oh, it's just marvellous.

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But that's all still to come, of course.

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That not here.

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What I think is really, what is probably more important than this

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episode is I think it reinstates Cisco's mission.

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So there's a scene where he talks to Dax and we talk about why

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he's there.

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But also you're right.

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It is all of those, and this is, again, is DSI's biggest strength

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is all of those two-handed character scenes.

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We had them inware of the warrior.

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They're not quite as funny here, but they are good.

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And you have a scene with Odo and Kwalk.

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You have a scene with Cisco and Dax, you have a scene with Cisco

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and Jake, and it's just reinstating how great all those

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relationships are and how they're developing as well, because

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they're in completely different places.

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A lot of them are.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Not odour of pork, but they're in different places to where they

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were in emissary.

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The other thing I noticed here as well, because I have just

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watched Duet and in the hands of the Prophets, is it feels more

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expansive, and the lighting on the station is a lot. very

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claustrophobic season one.

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In the way that they light it, in the way that they shoot it.

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I just got a more of a sense of space in this episode, especially

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because we go outside and we're in the sunshine and all of this.

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Season one feels very inside, you know, and quite small, and this

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feels like just the nature of the structure as well in that this

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is a 3 par.

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It just feels like everything's opening up a bit.

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And I think that was needed.

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I think, you know, like enterprise series 4, when it settles on

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that series of 3 parters, um, you can't just do a space problem of

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the week that won't spin out for for 3 episodes.

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And so it does have to be epic and it does have to be about a

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change in the status quo.

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They don't spin out for one episode.

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We've done quite a few of those.

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I have.

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That's right So I think this is this is a good call.

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I was surprised after watching it how light on incident it was.

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But it was so kind of agreeable.

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And a bit old-fashioned, a bit sweetly old-fashioned.

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Do you know what I mean?

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This is Star Trek moving away from Star Trek, The Next Generation

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in a sort of decisive way.

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And in fact, you know, the lack of incident in this is surprising

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like even just a normal Star Trek episode would have more going on

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than this.

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But it's really here to reestablish the characters, which is

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really super important.

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And to just slowly let a big thing happen, which I think is a

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pretty good approach.

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I think this is Ira Bear.

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It's only his 2nd script, I think, for Deeks Space Line.

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His 1st was the Nagus in series one.

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I think this is where the baton is starting to be handed over to

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him.

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By the time you get to series 3, he brings on run more, and

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Michael Piller steps back, and Ira Bear basically takes on the

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show full-time to its conclusion.

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But I think you can see here already what a handle he has on these

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characters.

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He understands the show and he understands the people within it.

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If this had been a two-parter.

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Obviously, a lot more would have, but they would have had to have

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fit.

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The 3 episodes worth of instant into two.

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And I think it would have moved a bit more like a TNG 2 parter

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where things sort of escalate quite quick in episode one and then

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you're dealing with all the consequences in episode two.

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I did quite like, I mean, I like Hang Time on DSI anyway, so, you

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know, like you said, it is very agreeable, but...

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Not slovenly.

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What's the right word?

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Um, measured.

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Measure is good.

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But it is something that Star Trek the Next Generation could never

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do.

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And so stepping out and like leaving TNG shadow and going off

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forging ahead in its own direction and doing something that only

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it could do, which is what Biller said he was going to do, that's

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absolutely what it's doing.

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No other Star Trek has this sort of time to do that sort of thing

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I think.

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And, you know, at one point, you know, a 3 part Star Trek story

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was revolutionary, but then TS9 goes on and says, no, no, we're

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going to do 6 parts.

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No, no, we're gonna do 10 parts, you know.

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Yeah.

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Well, the eventual sort of serialisation that we get, it sort of

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starts here, doesn't it?

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There's light serialisation in series one.

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But there's still plenty of things that happen one week and then

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never get referenced again.

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Whereas here, I think, the idea of the show being more serialised

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sort of land.

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By the time you get to part 3, the siege, you know, you're doing

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sort of all out action on the station on a couple of levels and

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phaser fights, but you've got Kira and Dax finding this rotten old

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Bajoran shuttle in a, in a cave that barely works and they're

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doing sort of dog fights in space that, as, I was about to say

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Star Wars star, but that may be overstating it a bit. as much as I

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can with the budget, you know, and it's working.

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There's like 5 or 6 locations in that last one and it's jumping

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between all of them.

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Again, it ain't Pisey, I wouldn't say, because I don't think Trek

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was there yet.

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But it's moving, you know?

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Yeah, it gets there.

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It gets there, basically.

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This is setup, isn't it?

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Yeah, yeah.

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Well, should we go and set this thing out then?

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I think we absolutely should. will count us in.

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I was going to come as the Lasepian woman, you know, all in

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leather.

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She's great.

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She's awesome.

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Ethan, how are you lobes?

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I've never had any complaints.

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All right.

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I will count us in. 543, two, one, and we're off.

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Uh, here's the glorious top level.

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And now we're in class.

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Oh, that strange alien with the...

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Yeah, it looks like a twin neck.

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Yeah, very long, very strange thing.

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Look, we're even looking down onto quarks.

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Look, look how much space we've got and we've never seen that

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before.

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And then, yeah, so this scene here, I think, is really good

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because this is, you know, absolute characteristic Deep Space

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nine.

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This is a very deep space 90 thing.

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It doesn't have any federation people in it.

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You know, it's a setting and it's brightly coloured and it's all

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of those things at Deep Space 90s that TNG isn't.

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But it's these guys doing something very different from what

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they've ever done before because he's cooperating.

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It's so playful, isn't it?

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And do you know what I discovered?

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That I was telling the truth.

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That's right.

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And like quotes being encouraging like touching him on the arm and

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stuff like that.

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The cigar is the role of acquisition, isn't it?

286
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Yeah, definitely now and again.

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Declare peace.

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It confuses the hell out of your enemies.

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Like, he's acting all hurt too, you know?

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I was sort of thinking as we were doing these 2 handles, like, what

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will the equivalent scenes be on TNG?

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And I just couldn't find one for this.

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But I think this is this is properly fun and funny because it

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doesn't really go anywhere.

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It sort of introduces the idea of that Lasepian and stuff.

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But it is taking these two, like reestablishing how they normally

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interact, but turning it slightly in a way that's really funny.

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No, they, there's, it's Odo's new makeup.

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I mean, it looks like he's had a stroke.

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Look at his eye.

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It's almost coarse oblivion in its hideousness.

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That's just, it's terrible, I'm afraid.

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I do love how you've got Rome in the background looking so

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confused while they're talking.

305
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Brother, I don't understand.

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Yeah, no.

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So he has that over here so that that line doesn't get delivered

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to Odo, which is to Odo, which would spoil it, I think.

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This is the season where they decide that they've got something in

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Max Grotonchek as well.

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They do that wonderful bit in necessary evil, where it turns out

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he's an absolute genius.

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Oh, there's a shot now, right?

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He sort of goes up the stairs.

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And a shot looking up at this woman.

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I mean, it's right for her legs.

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Wait, she?

319
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Her leather.

321
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Oh my god, she's wearing like black vinyl or something.

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Did we see the ceiling then?

323
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When was the ceilings?

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She, that's a great makeup job, I think.

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Don't you?

326
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Like, there's something about it.

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It's very kind of, it's sort of sub Klingon, but she still manages

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to look sexy despite it.

329
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It sort of weirdly streamlined.

330
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I like it, I think it's great.

331
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They have her back, you know.

332
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She comes back in broken link at the end of series 4 and she's the

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one where Odo, you know, we sort of melting away, Odo, he's the

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link are trying to tear him apart and she's doing a crime and he

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goes in and goes, no, you don't, and goes, ah, and he becomes a

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puzzle and she just runs away.

337
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So, you know, she's not a regular character, but they sort of...

338
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. great.

339
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I like our opening line.

340
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Harry Lobbes tingling at the sight of you, my dear.

341
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He's such a sleaze bag.

342
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Great.

343
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But I think it kind of works in that he doesn't expect her really

344
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to fall for that.

345
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Do you know what I mean?

346
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Like he doesn't seem like he's trying to sort of get into her

347
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pants or anything.

348
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It does seem to be kind of ritual rather than anything else.

349
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It's brighter.

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I can't explain it.

351
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There is a, it's like the contrast has gone up on the station.

352
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Seriously, when we go back and do one of those series one

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episodes.

354
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Wait till you see how sort of flat and one note, the lighting is.

355
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Do you remember there's a big change in the way that TNG gets lit

356
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between series 2 and three?

357
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Yes.

358
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It suddenly feels quite filmic, doesn't it?

359
00:17:42.720 --> 00:17:43.619
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

360
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Yeah.

361
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Yeah.

362
00:17:44.700 --> 00:17:47.880
Yeah, there's lots of subtle changes in 3, the uniforms.

363
00:17:47.880 --> 00:17:49.440
Yeah, very good moves.

364
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Oh, I like this.

365
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I do too. into Kira's quarters.

366
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And again, that is that is a plot thing because this is him, you

367
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know, this is where we identify the earring that that woman has

368
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just given Quark.

369
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Do you know, they mirror this in the 2nd episode.

370
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There's a scene in Kira's quarters where they all come in to say

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goodbye.

372
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It's like a French...

373
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. right.

374
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Will someone please explain this conversation to me?

375
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Someone says...

376
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That's really funny.

377
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Kira's answering everyone's questions at once.

378
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It's very funny.

379
00:18:26.640 --> 00:18:28.799
I do like it when it goes...

380
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What is it?

381
00:18:29.819 --> 00:18:31.500
She goes, you take one more step in it.

382
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It could be your last and he goes, it could be worth it.

383
00:18:35.579 --> 00:18:40.259
Okay, there's no one on TNG that would say that line.

384
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Consider it a gift.

385
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But that's so weird.

386
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She leaves her own quarters and leaves him in there.

387
00:18:47.519 --> 00:18:48.960
Yeah.

388
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I'm sure we didn't leave straight away.

389
00:18:51.299 --> 00:18:53.339
No, I'm sure he went through our drawers.

390
00:18:53.400 --> 00:18:55.740
So that's sort of 5 minutes in.

391
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So that's like, I don't know, a ninth of the episode or whatever.

392
00:19:00.660 --> 00:19:03.599
And it's just those 2 scenes, isn't it?

393
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And they are both around Quark.

394
00:19:06.660 --> 00:19:09.539
We haven't had a federation character in there yet.

395
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So it's not about the Federation.

396
00:19:11.039 --> 00:19:13.980
It is about the things unique to Deep Space Nine.

397
00:19:14.039 --> 00:19:15.960
I never thought about that.

398
00:19:16.019 --> 00:19:18.299
Yeah, I mean, that's unusual though, isn't it?

399
00:19:18.359 --> 00:19:18.900
Yeah.

400
00:19:18.960 --> 00:19:19.740
Yeah, no.

401
00:19:19.799 --> 00:19:23.039
And it's a definite clear choice, isn't it?

402
00:19:23.099 --> 00:19:24.599
And this is...

403
00:19:24.599 --> 00:19:26.940
We always love the Federation characters in DS9, even.

404
00:19:27.000 --> 00:19:29.759
But I do think the non-federation characters are probably the more

405
00:19:29.759 --> 00:19:30.420
interesting ones.

406
00:19:30.480 --> 00:19:34.859
What I think, what I think is kind of good is that this, this

407
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story arises from the deep space nineness of the setting.

408
00:19:39.059 --> 00:19:40.019
Do you know what I mean?

409
00:19:40.079 --> 00:19:45.119
Like there's a very few episodes, maybe gambit in TNG, that

410
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intersect with a world like this one.

411
00:19:48.180 --> 00:19:49.380
Do you know what I mean?

412
00:19:49.440 --> 00:19:53.640
Where some, you know, where some freighter captain has somehow got

413
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hold of this thing, you know.

414
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And...

415
00:19:57.779 --> 00:20:00.180
Oh, I feel you're saying someone just come into the station and

416
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start off the adventure.

417
00:20:01.559 --> 00:20:02.700
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

418
00:20:02.759 --> 00:20:06.000
And there's, you know, like it's a slightly underworld, you know

419
00:20:06.000 --> 00:20:06.420
what I mean?

420
00:20:06.480 --> 00:20:07.440
Like thing.

421
00:20:07.500 --> 00:20:08.220
I don't know.

422
00:20:08.279 --> 00:20:13.559
We're going to go straight into a wonderful scene in a 2nd where

423
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Cisco's walking the promenade and Jake catches up with him.

424
00:20:17.400 --> 00:20:20.940
And, you know, after watching that Star Trek Academy episode, which

425
00:20:20.940 --> 00:20:25.680
was all about, um, Sirok's love affair with Avery Brooks.

426
00:20:25.740 --> 00:20:29.400
And there it was on the screen and I was like, yeah, it really was

427
00:20:29.400 --> 00:20:29.880
there.

428
00:20:29.940 --> 00:20:31.920
They have magic together.

429
00:20:31.980 --> 00:20:34.440
Like I just believe they are father and son.

430
00:20:34.559 --> 00:20:35.400
It's wonderful.

431
00:20:35.460 --> 00:20:39.420
And, and, and two, it takes Jake somewhere new because Jake is

432
00:20:39.420 --> 00:20:44.220
such a tiny, he's such a little boy in that 1st episode.

433
00:20:44.279 --> 00:20:48.240
He such a tiny... determined to shoot from that top level. aren't

434
00:20:48.240 --> 00:20:48.359
they?

435
00:20:48.420 --> 00:20:49.319
Yeah, they are, aren't they?

436
00:20:49.380 --> 00:20:50.880
But he gets to run down the stairs.

437
00:20:50.940 --> 00:20:55.559
Look, he's getting nearly as tall as Avery. right.

438
00:20:55.619 --> 00:20:57.900
His clothes aren't getting any better, but...

439
00:20:57.900 --> 00:21:00.059
No, they're shockingly bad, aren't they?

440
00:21:00.119 --> 00:21:01.559
Ah, yes.

441
00:21:01.619 --> 00:21:05.519
Now you want some advice from the old man about to meet girls?

442
00:21:05.579 --> 00:21:06.960
Well, good for you.

443
00:21:07.019 --> 00:21:09.000
No, he doesn't need that.

444
00:21:09.180 --> 00:21:11.400
And that's really cute.

445
00:21:11.460 --> 00:21:14.220
I think, you know, because now he's dating.

446
00:21:14.279 --> 00:21:16.259
You know, he's growing up.

447
00:21:16.319 --> 00:21:19.559
And I mean, they've got to anticipate that he's an adult by series

448
00:21:19.559 --> 00:21:23.339
7, if that's where we get to, and he stays.

449
00:21:23.460 --> 00:21:27.420
I love as well how this is just along the promenade where so much

450
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activity is happening.

451
00:21:28.500 --> 00:21:31.019
Again, we're sort of like really weird.

452
00:21:31.079 --> 00:21:34.140
This is our wonderful setting, and this could seem could be in

453
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their quarters.

454
00:21:34.619 --> 00:21:37.380
Yeah, if they wanted to, but they fill it full of extras.

455
00:21:37.440 --> 00:21:40.019
There's airlock doors opening, there's shops opening up, you

456
00:21:40.019 --> 00:21:40.259
know.

457
00:21:40.319 --> 00:21:42.000
It's our vibrant setting.

458
00:21:42.119 --> 00:21:43.079
Why not show it off?

459
00:21:43.140 --> 00:21:45.779
But I also think there's something really nice about this

460
00:21:45.779 --> 00:21:48.480
discussion because it's so normal, you know, like it's about him

461
00:21:48.480 --> 00:21:53.460
drawing boundaries about how and where he can date this girl, which

462
00:21:53.460 --> 00:21:54.660
I just think is so sweet.

463
00:21:54.720 --> 00:21:56.759
And look at him...

464
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This is my 1st date.

465
00:21:58.200 --> 00:21:59.819
Well, I don't want it to be my last.

466
00:21:59.880 --> 00:22:01.380
Well, I love...

467
00:22:01.980 --> 00:22:04.259
I can see you're not ready to have this conversation.

468
00:22:04.319 --> 00:22:06.299
Yeah, it's so good.

469
00:22:09.599 --> 00:22:12.960
Because it's also really sweet too, that he's having that

470
00:22:12.960 --> 00:22:13.980
conversation with Jake.

471
00:22:14.039 --> 00:22:14.940
Kira comes up.

472
00:22:15.000 --> 00:22:17.339
He says, have it, hold on a second, major.

473
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I'm talking to my son.

474
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And that's when he says, I can see you're not ready to have this

475
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conversation.

476
00:22:22.200 --> 00:22:22.740
It's wonderful.

477
00:22:22.799 --> 00:22:24.119
It's so good.

478
00:22:24.180 --> 00:22:27.720
Oh, no, I was very confused about the replimat here because he

479
00:22:27.720 --> 00:22:31.920
seems to get his drink from one replicator and he gets his food

480
00:22:31.920 --> 00:22:32.519
from another one.

481
00:22:32.579 --> 00:22:33.359
Oh does he?

482
00:22:33.420 --> 00:22:36.599
No, that's the same one. isn't that the same one?

483
00:22:36.720 --> 00:22:37.500
don't know.

484
00:22:37.559 --> 00:22:38.819
Why didn't you get it at the same time then?

485
00:22:38.940 --> 00:22:40.019
I don't know.

486
00:22:40.079 --> 00:22:40.920
No, I don't know.

487
00:22:41.039 --> 00:22:45.720
Oh, I did love this, though. because I think this really shows how

488
00:22:45.720 --> 00:22:46.319
far.

489
00:22:46.380 --> 00:22:48.059
Remember Emissary?

490
00:22:48.119 --> 00:22:50.460
Remember how hostile Kira was to him.

491
00:22:50.519 --> 00:22:53.640
Now she's there cup in hand, saying, please, I need your

492
00:22:53.640 --> 00:22:56.339
Federation runabout, and I can't tell you why I need it.

493
00:22:56.400 --> 00:22:57.059
Yeah.

494
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Yeah.

495
00:22:57.900 --> 00:23:00.480
And and and she just tells him.

496
00:23:00.539 --> 00:23:01.319
Do you know what I mean?

497
00:23:01.380 --> 00:23:02.640
When he asks, she just tells him.

498
00:23:02.700 --> 00:23:05.759
And he goes, oh yeah, you shouldn't have told me, yeah.

499
00:23:05.940 --> 00:23:07.380
Yeah.

500
00:23:09.299 --> 00:23:15.000
Oh, what I love is, um, is he says no.

501
00:23:15.119 --> 00:23:18.660
And then he gives it to her anyway, right, after he talks to

502
00:23:18.660 --> 00:23:22.200
everybody else and we learn Kira, the biggest gossip beyond Dax

503
00:23:22.200 --> 00:23:24.599
has been telling everyone on the starship about it.

504
00:23:24.660 --> 00:23:27.779
That's a great feature, too, of this show.

505
00:23:27.839 --> 00:23:30.480
Is that they're constantly talking about conversations that

506
00:23:30.480 --> 00:23:31.980
they've had off camera with each other?

507
00:23:32.039 --> 00:23:36.359
And that, I mean, we discover that she's been talking to everyone

508
00:23:36.359 --> 00:23:37.200
about it.

509
00:23:37.259 --> 00:23:41.339
Like O'Brien knows about it before, you know, like everyone has

510
00:23:41.339 --> 00:23:45.779
like she has been telling everyone, um, and that sort of gradually

511
00:23:45.779 --> 00:23:46.500
becomes a thing.

512
00:23:46.559 --> 00:23:50.940
It is a little bit like a smaller version of the joke in episode 2

513
00:23:50.940 --> 00:23:53.339
where everyone comes into her quarters to say goodbye.

514
00:23:53.400 --> 00:23:55.380
The best one is still.

515
00:23:55.440 --> 00:23:57.119
I forgot, was I talking about it last week?

516
00:23:57.180 --> 00:24:01.200
I was telling you recently, the whole Jake Strotter setup, Cisco

517
00:24:01.200 --> 00:24:01.859
Recassidy.

518
00:24:01.920 --> 00:24:02.579
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

519
00:24:02.640 --> 00:24:04.200
And everyone on the station.

520
00:24:04.259 --> 00:24:05.759
Oh, how great, captain.

521
00:24:05.819 --> 00:24:08.759
How many people has Jake spoken about this woman too?

522
00:24:08.819 --> 00:24:12.599
Yeah, And any of them, any of the shows could have done that, but

523
00:24:12.599 --> 00:24:14.579
Deep Space 9 designs to do it.

524
00:24:14.640 --> 00:24:16.440
That's my workplace.

525
00:24:16.440 --> 00:24:17.279
Exactly.

526
00:24:18.779 --> 00:24:19.440
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

527
00:24:19.500 --> 00:24:20.279
Yeah.

528
00:24:20.339 --> 00:24:25.619
So we're also getting some important exposition here, haven't we?

529
00:24:25.680 --> 00:24:29.279
Like Kira is explaining to us...

530
00:24:29.279 --> 00:24:31.859
They're fighting on the planet since the loss of the Kaiser, where

531
00:24:31.859 --> 00:24:34.680
they're reminding us of that because by the end of the season, we

532
00:24:34.680 --> 00:24:35.460
have Kai Wynn.

533
00:24:35.519 --> 00:24:36.779
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

534
00:24:37.920 --> 00:24:41.099
And she's absolutely convinced, isn't she?

535
00:24:41.160 --> 00:24:44.099
She's convinced that Narlis is just going to walk in and what if

536
00:24:44.099 --> 00:24:47.220
he doesn't want to do it, even if he was this great hero that they

537
00:24:47.220 --> 00:24:47.880
all thought he was.

538
00:24:47.940 --> 00:24:51.420
Yeah, but what we're imagining is, of course, that he got the ring

539
00:24:51.420 --> 00:24:53.460
smuggled out, do you know what I mean?

540
00:24:53.519 --> 00:24:58.079
We only find out later that his friend stole the ring. the earring

541
00:24:58.079 --> 00:25:00.480
off him and smuggled it off planet without his knowledge.

542
00:25:00.539 --> 00:25:04.740
So we're, you know, we're concluding that he's trying to

543
00:25:04.740 --> 00:25:06.000
communicate with them, I think.

544
00:25:06.059 --> 00:25:08.640
Ah, graffiti on the walls.

545
00:25:08.700 --> 00:25:09.660
What's occurring here?

546
00:25:09.720 --> 00:25:14.460
Yeah, this O'Brien O'Brien's line here is like, is he a primary

547
00:25:14.460 --> 00:25:15.059
school kid?

548
00:25:15.180 --> 00:25:17.460
Like, what makes them think?

549
00:25:17.460 --> 00:25:18.539
Well, give them the riot.

550
00:25:18.599 --> 00:25:21.299
What makes them think they have the right to mess up our station?

551
00:25:21.359 --> 00:25:22.980
Come on, are you 12?

552
00:25:23.039 --> 00:25:24.420
Like, come.

553
00:25:24.480 --> 00:25:27.359
You know O'Brien, he's such a suck up, man.

554
00:25:28.559 --> 00:25:32.579
He tells every bloody captain he works with, but you were the best

555
00:25:32.579 --> 00:25:34.319
captain I ever worked with, you know?

556
00:25:35.759 --> 00:25:40.680
So, and and this is...

557
00:25:40.740 --> 00:25:43.859
Look at where's he gone over there to look at the wall. when Rick

558
00:25:43.859 --> 00:25:45.480
Colby told him to, obviously.

559
00:25:47.160 --> 00:25:49.740
You guys look at the graffiti.

560
00:25:49.799 --> 00:25:53.400
Renee, you walk over there and look thoughtful. stand near the

561
00:25:53.400 --> 00:25:53.700
camera.

562
00:25:55.319 --> 00:25:58.799
We could get you all in shout then. wonderful.

563
00:25:58.859 --> 00:26:00.480
And we don't have to move the camera.

564
00:26:00.539 --> 00:26:03.359
It's classic soap opera moment, isn't it?

565
00:26:03.420 --> 00:26:04.319
Like you move.

566
00:26:04.380 --> 00:26:05.700
Oh my god, I've just noticed.

567
00:26:05.819 --> 00:26:09.420
Did you see the at the end of that corridor there?

568
00:26:09.480 --> 00:26:11.279
Yeah, it was a backdrop.

569
00:26:11.339 --> 00:26:12.480
Oh, really?

570
00:26:13.259 --> 00:26:15.180
Flat backdrop.

571
00:26:15.240 --> 00:26:17.160
They have it going round the corner.

572
00:26:17.220 --> 00:26:18.420
Oh wow.

573
00:26:18.480 --> 00:26:20.339
Oh, night is Shrep, we love you.

574
00:26:20.400 --> 00:26:23.700
Yeah, I usually notice that in the Jeffreys tubes, particularly in

575
00:26:23.700 --> 00:26:26.759
Voyager, where it's just a painted force perspective backdrop.

576
00:26:26.819 --> 00:26:28.259
Baseball mention.

577
00:26:28.319 --> 00:26:31.799
Curzon mention, all of the little details of the show back.

578
00:26:31.859 --> 00:26:32.819
Yep, yep.

579
00:26:33.539 --> 00:26:37.319
Now, Nathan, what if I was to tell you I could find somebody that

580
00:26:37.319 --> 00:26:40.559
could unite all the factions and make our job here a lot more

581
00:26:40.559 --> 00:26:40.980
easily.

582
00:26:40.980 --> 00:26:41.940
Yeah, and that's right.

583
00:26:42.000 --> 00:26:44.940
I would say, oh, so Kira's already told you about Leonardo's

584
00:26:44.940 --> 00:26:45.180
right.

585
00:26:46.859 --> 00:26:48.539
She's like, what?

586
00:26:48.599 --> 00:26:50.400
I'd say give Kira the shuttlecraft.

587
00:26:50.460 --> 00:26:51.480
Oh, for God's sakes.

588
00:26:51.539 --> 00:26:54.059
It's really funny, isn't it?

589
00:26:54.119 --> 00:26:57.720
That, like, this is now 2 Federation people talking about what

590
00:26:57.720 --> 00:27:01.619
it's like for them doing this particular mission.

591
00:27:01.680 --> 00:27:05.099
And of course, they've just spent the last year, you know, like

592
00:27:05.099 --> 00:27:09.660
catching plagues and being possessed and kind of, like, it hasn't

593
00:27:09.660 --> 00:27:11.940
really been about that.

594
00:27:12.059 --> 00:27:12.779
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

595
00:27:12.839 --> 00:27:13.259
That's right.

596
00:27:13.319 --> 00:27:14.039
That's right.

597
00:27:14.099 --> 00:27:17.579
So it hasn't really kind of been like that, you know, when they

598
00:27:17.579 --> 00:27:20.160
characterise, characterise what they've been doing.

599
00:27:20.220 --> 00:27:22.259
It isn't quite what we saw on tally.

600
00:27:22.319 --> 00:27:26.579
But it's a much more kind of interesting thing than what we ended

601
00:27:26.579 --> 00:27:27.960
up seeing on telly, I think.

602
00:27:28.019 --> 00:27:29.279
I don't know if you noticed.

603
00:27:29.339 --> 00:27:33.240
There was a shot just then where we saw the clock from Dramatis

604
00:27:33.240 --> 00:27:35.400
Persona, which is in his office.

605
00:27:35.460 --> 00:27:38.579
Obviously the greatest development of season one.

606
00:27:38.640 --> 00:27:40.500
Yeah, yeah, yeah. for the rest of the show.

607
00:27:40.559 --> 00:27:41.700
What is it?

608
00:27:41.759 --> 00:27:43.380
You said Cisco can now tell the time.

609
00:27:43.440 --> 00:27:45.180
I wanted to know what time it was.

610
00:27:45.240 --> 00:27:46.500
Now he knows.

611
00:27:47.640 --> 00:27:51.960
But like, okay, I'm going to say this and you're going to say, yes

612
00:27:51.960 --> 00:27:53.579
that's very sedentary.

613
00:27:53.640 --> 00:27:57.240
But we've had shots like looking over the promenade.

614
00:27:57.299 --> 00:27:59.940
We just had a shot there where it sort of zoomed, zoomed.

615
00:28:00.000 --> 00:28:04.259
Stately, went up the consoles on the various levels of ops.

616
00:28:04.319 --> 00:28:07.980
I just think these are more interesting says on different levels.

617
00:28:08.039 --> 00:28:09.779
You know, you can shoot in more interesting ways.

618
00:28:09.839 --> 00:28:11.160
Oh, yeah, no, absolutely.

619
00:28:11.220 --> 00:28:12.240
They're more interesting sets.

620
00:28:12.299 --> 00:28:15.779
And, you know, they try and do it on with that terrible bridge set

621
00:28:15.779 --> 00:28:19.140
in TNG so that you can have all of the characters in you.

622
00:28:19.200 --> 00:28:21.720
But it's because some of them are above others.

623
00:28:21.779 --> 00:28:22.440
Do you know what I mean?

624
00:28:22.500 --> 00:28:25.079
Voyage is not like that discovery doesn't have a bridge like that

625
00:28:25.079 --> 00:28:29.339
you know, like I think the only time they shot that bridge set in

626
00:28:29.339 --> 00:28:33.960
a dynamic way in the entire 7 seasons is when they gave Gates

627
00:28:33.960 --> 00:28:38.400
McFadden control of the cameras and they had that shot in Genesis

628
00:28:38.400 --> 00:28:41.759
where she went slowly across the bridge and that man's guts were

629
00:28:41.759 --> 00:28:43.619
all spinning out everywhere in the dark.

630
00:28:43.619 --> 00:28:44.880
That's pretty good.

631
00:28:44.940 --> 00:28:47.160
I love this outfit, can I say?

632
00:28:47.220 --> 00:28:52.259
Like I just love Kira's outfit, her little resistance fighter. you

633
00:28:52.259 --> 00:28:55.920
know, it's a great. got like a little sort of knitted waistcoat.

634
00:28:55.980 --> 00:28:57.960
Yeah, it's just really cute.

635
00:28:58.019 --> 00:28:59.640
Like, it's really cute.

636
00:28:59.819 --> 00:29:03.779
Although she's still got a sort of American lady hair at this

637
00:29:03.779 --> 00:29:04.559
point, doesn't she?

638
00:29:04.619 --> 00:29:06.599
I quite like this hair.

639
00:29:06.660 --> 00:29:10.500
I think she has like her worst American lady hair is in the pilot

640
00:29:10.500 --> 00:29:12.839
like that's unbelievably unforgiving.

641
00:29:12.900 --> 00:29:14.099
Like, it's so bad.

642
00:29:14.339 --> 00:29:16.500
I got they changed that.

643
00:29:16.619 --> 00:29:18.240
Yeah, but this is sort of elfin.

644
00:29:18.299 --> 00:29:18.960
Do you know what I mean?

645
00:29:19.019 --> 00:29:23.160
Like, you know, like it's a it's feminine, but not too feminine

646
00:29:23.220 --> 00:29:24.119
floofy.

647
00:29:24.180 --> 00:29:25.440
You know, like it's cute.

648
00:29:25.500 --> 00:29:28.859
This is classic without O'Brien.

649
00:29:28.920 --> 00:29:30.839
Had she gone without him?

650
00:29:30.900 --> 00:29:33.359
I mean, she would have been stopped within 2 seconds.

651
00:29:33.420 --> 00:29:34.920
He's very useful on this trip.

652
00:29:34.980 --> 00:29:36.599
All of the techno bad boy does in a minute.

653
00:29:36.660 --> 00:29:38.039
Yeah, yeah.

654
00:29:38.099 --> 00:29:41.039
I mean, I, I, I think it's, I think it's nice too.

655
00:29:41.099 --> 00:29:42.599
Like, I do think it's good.

656
00:29:42.720 --> 00:29:46.500
You know, he's got that backstory with the Cardassians, which

657
00:29:46.500 --> 00:29:50.759
dates way back from the wounded, which we've done already.

658
00:29:50.819 --> 00:29:53.640
And the show kind of leans into that.

659
00:29:53.700 --> 00:29:55.619
And it's not...

660
00:29:56.279 --> 00:29:58.680
I mean, it's not Cisco keeping tabs on her.

661
00:29:58.740 --> 00:30:03.420
It's Cisco making sure that the mission succeeds, you know, like

662
00:30:03.420 --> 00:30:08.039
he's on the side. saying just one thing before we go, like we may

663
00:30:08.039 --> 00:30:08.940
not be coming back.

664
00:30:09.000 --> 00:30:11.160
And he just goes, yeah, I understand.

665
00:30:11.220 --> 00:30:12.180
Yep, makes sense.

666
00:30:12.240 --> 00:30:14.700
I'll just write my letter to Keiko again.

667
00:30:14.759 --> 00:30:15.359
There we go.

668
00:30:15.420 --> 00:30:15.660
Right.

669
00:30:15.720 --> 00:30:18.240
I've got it saved now, you know.

670
00:30:18.299 --> 00:30:22.079
But they're not, like, they're not butting up against each other.

671
00:30:22.140 --> 00:30:24.960
They're not oppositional or anything. on the same side.

672
00:30:25.380 --> 00:30:29.519
I, you know, you sent me a message saying that this was very

673
00:30:29.519 --> 00:30:33.660
linear and I really did notice it this time, the sort of A to B to

674
00:30:33.660 --> 00:30:35.579
see plotting here.

675
00:30:35.640 --> 00:30:41.640
Interestingly, I think as soon as the circle starts. very quickly

676
00:30:41.700 --> 00:30:42.960
out, doesn't it?

677
00:30:43.019 --> 00:30:45.960
The show ramifies and things are going on in different places at

678
00:30:45.960 --> 00:30:46.619
different times.

679
00:30:46.680 --> 00:30:50.460
And, you know, getting Kira off the station, which, of course, is

680
00:30:50.460 --> 00:30:53.519
that great cliffhanger, the cliffhanger that threatens our

681
00:30:53.519 --> 00:30:56.940
enjoyment of the show because, you know, it takes our favourite

682
00:30:56.940 --> 00:30:57.480
character.

683
00:30:58.019 --> 00:30:59.160
No, we love it.

684
00:30:59.220 --> 00:30:59.700
That's right.

685
00:30:59.759 --> 00:31:03.480
She's my favourite, you know. and puts her somewhere else and

686
00:31:03.480 --> 00:31:05.519
replaces her with someone really very boring.

687
00:31:05.579 --> 00:31:10.319
And, and, you know, that's a kind of threat to our enjoyment.

688
00:31:10.380 --> 00:31:12.660
So it's a great cliffhanger. boring, isn't he?

689
00:31:14.940 --> 00:31:17.400
I mean, I know that's the idea.

690
00:31:17.400 --> 00:31:20.039
He's supposed to be this sort of understated man.

691
00:31:20.099 --> 00:31:22.680
But boy, you could have given broad.

692
00:31:22.740 --> 00:31:23.940
Do you see him in Twin Peaks?

693
00:31:24.000 --> 00:31:25.079
he's an absolute monster.

694
00:31:25.140 --> 00:31:30.539
So, so apparently he's a bit of a gerd and they didn't think they

695
00:31:30.539 --> 00:31:33.779
would be able to get him, which is why they kill him off.

696
00:31:34.079 --> 00:31:38.220
But had they decided not to kill him off, and they were thinking

697
00:31:38.220 --> 00:31:40.440
you know, there were at least some people on the, on the writing

698
00:31:40.440 --> 00:31:43.680
stuff, who thought that they shouldn't or shouldn't have done it.

699
00:31:44.700 --> 00:31:46.799
And so they end up with Shakar instead.

700
00:31:46.859 --> 00:31:47.819
Do you know what I mean?

701
00:31:47.880 --> 00:31:49.019
Okay.

702
00:31:49.019 --> 00:31:50.700
And Shikar, I think.

703
00:31:50.700 --> 00:31:51.720
He's quite boring as well.

704
00:31:51.779 --> 00:31:52.980
He is quite boring, too.

705
00:31:53.039 --> 00:31:54.299
I was boring too.

706
00:31:54.359 --> 00:31:58.259
I mean, all these, but you're a man, I'm quite tedious, aren't

707
00:31:58.259 --> 00:31:58.440
they?

708
00:31:58.500 --> 00:32:00.480
Whereas you know, Kai Wen and Kira.

709
00:32:00.480 --> 00:32:01.200
Oh, fabulous.

710
00:32:01.259 --> 00:32:03.420
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Kai Parker.

711
00:32:03.480 --> 00:32:04.380
Oh yeah, another one.

712
00:32:04.500 --> 00:32:06.119
Yeah, yeah. was awesome.

713
00:32:06.599 --> 00:32:07.920
Yeah.

714
00:32:08.220 --> 00:32:12.539
Okay, now this was very, I was like, okay, I've just watched some

715
00:32:12.539 --> 00:32:16.019
Kersman trek, and I was watching this scene where they're just

716
00:32:16.019 --> 00:32:19.380
chatting with the man, and it's just the 2 regulars and this tiny

717
00:32:19.380 --> 00:32:22.740
set, suggesting that something very suspenseful was happening, and

718
00:32:22.740 --> 00:32:25.500
I was going, yeah, that's very nice.

719
00:32:25.559 --> 00:32:29.759
Although I do have to say, and like the scene ends very obviously

720
00:32:29.759 --> 00:32:32.880
with him saying who's Gul Moraine and she says, I don't know, I

721
00:32:32.880 --> 00:32:35.940
just made him up and you could, like, that just writes itself.

722
00:32:36.000 --> 00:32:36.779
Do you know what I mean?

723
00:32:36.839 --> 00:32:40.440
Like, you could almost recite that line at the same time as she

724
00:32:40.440 --> 00:32:41.579
says it for the 1st time.

725
00:32:41.640 --> 00:32:43.559
But it is still charming.

726
00:32:43.619 --> 00:32:46.380
You know, like it is kind of likeable.

727
00:32:46.500 --> 00:32:49.559
So this isn't as sophisticated as it gets.

728
00:32:49.619 --> 00:32:54.359
It doesn't have the really funny sitcom scenes that we have in Way

729
00:32:54.359 --> 00:32:55.740
of the Warrior, for instance.

730
00:32:55.799 --> 00:32:57.900
You've got to hit them with a box.

731
00:32:57.960 --> 00:32:59.279
Far out.

732
00:32:59.339 --> 00:33:00.299
That's so good.

733
00:33:01.380 --> 00:33:03.960
Why do my favourite seeds ever?

734
00:33:04.079 --> 00:33:08.160
Cut for syndication by terrible people.

735
00:33:08.400 --> 00:33:12.720
But what I did like, though, is then you suddenly cut to the

736
00:33:12.720 --> 00:33:13.319
location.

737
00:33:13.380 --> 00:33:17.519
And that always feels unusual in not this track because we go

738
00:33:17.519 --> 00:33:19.200
outside 3 times a year, you know?

739
00:33:19.259 --> 00:33:20.460
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

740
00:33:20.519 --> 00:33:21.599
No, I think that is great.

741
00:33:21.660 --> 00:33:26.940
I have to say that I think that giving, like, making Kira the kind

742
00:33:26.940 --> 00:33:31.440
of sex worker you know, like is a little bit kind of that's...

743
00:33:31.440 --> 00:33:33.059
Oh, we must disagree with that.

744
00:33:33.119 --> 00:33:33.599
That's rare.

745
00:33:33.720 --> 00:33:34.559
Do you know what I mean?

746
00:33:34.619 --> 00:33:36.299
She's sexy and kind of in control.

747
00:33:36.420 --> 00:33:37.799
She sort of owns it, you know?

748
00:33:37.859 --> 00:33:40.500
I'm going to discipline a boy like you.

749
00:33:40.559 --> 00:33:41.579
Come on now.

750
00:33:41.640 --> 00:33:42.779
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

751
00:33:42.839 --> 00:33:44.339
She's not cowed or anything like that.

752
00:33:44.400 --> 00:33:46.259
But it is just a little bit of a shame.

753
00:33:46.380 --> 00:33:48.839
I mean, she still kind of beats the shit out of people and stuff

754
00:33:48.839 --> 00:33:50.400
that's kind of what you want to say.

755
00:33:50.460 --> 00:33:53.880
Let's see why you're worth all this money and she goes, yeah, all

756
00:33:53.880 --> 00:33:55.799
right then. smacks him in the face.

757
00:33:55.859 --> 00:33:56.400
Yeah, yeah.

758
00:33:56.400 --> 00:33:56.880
That's right.

759
00:33:56.940 --> 00:33:57.480
That's pretty good.

760
00:33:57.539 --> 00:33:58.319
That is funny.

761
00:33:58.440 --> 00:34:01.740
I actually think, though, like, I found this quite a convincing

762
00:34:01.740 --> 00:34:02.220
location.

763
00:34:02.279 --> 00:34:03.480
Like it's well dressed.

764
00:34:03.539 --> 00:34:05.339
I think they shoot it well.

765
00:34:05.400 --> 00:34:07.140
They find like a waterfall.

766
00:34:07.259 --> 00:34:12.300
Yeah, there's waterfalling from the cliffs and they do some really

767
00:34:12.300 --> 00:34:13.260
interesting shots.

768
00:34:13.320 --> 00:34:17.039
It's just like you breathe a sigh of relief when you've got some

769
00:34:17.039 --> 00:34:19.199
space in the next street, don't you?

770
00:34:19.260 --> 00:34:19.980
It is pretty great.

771
00:34:20.039 --> 00:34:20.820
It is pretty great.

772
00:34:20.880 --> 00:34:21.239
You're right.

773
00:34:21.300 --> 00:34:22.320
A lot of extras there.

774
00:34:22.440 --> 00:34:23.579
Yep, yep.

775
00:34:23.639 --> 00:34:25.619
You're right about dressing the set as well.

776
00:34:25.679 --> 00:34:30.960
They've put things there. space things there and, you know, more

777
00:34:30.960 --> 00:34:31.800
than they needed to.

778
00:34:31.860 --> 00:34:36.119
Now, column, Meanie, who is known to complain quite a bit on

779
00:34:36.119 --> 00:34:38.099
shooting Star Trek.

780
00:34:38.159 --> 00:34:42.719
Apparently, he thought that him and Kiram, so Nan may not survive

781
00:34:42.719 --> 00:34:45.599
the shoot because it was so ridiculously hot.

782
00:34:45.659 --> 00:34:49.440
And unfortunately, for the actors going ahead.

783
00:34:49.500 --> 00:34:53.820
They so like the look of this location, we go back again for the

784
00:34:53.820 --> 00:34:54.300
ship.

785
00:34:54.360 --> 00:34:58.800
We go back again for rocks and shoals.

786
00:34:58.800 --> 00:35:00.539
And rocks and shoals.

787
00:35:00.599 --> 00:35:02.639
Apparently it was like 10 degrees hotter than this.

788
00:35:02.699 --> 00:35:03.420
Right, okay.

789
00:35:03.420 --> 00:35:05.039
So, that's right.

790
00:35:05.099 --> 00:35:07.380
People were melting, weren't they in rubber, you know?

791
00:35:07.440 --> 00:35:09.539
Basically the Doctor Who quarry.

792
00:35:09.599 --> 00:35:13.139
But because it's got lots of places to shoot and things like

793
00:35:13.139 --> 00:35:13.380
that.

794
00:35:13.440 --> 00:35:14.940
I think it's a good place.

795
00:35:15.000 --> 00:35:16.199
They chase well.

796
00:35:16.380 --> 00:35:24.659
I'm trying to find who this young man is, the, his boots must have

797
00:35:24.659 --> 00:35:26.280
been full of makeup, right?

798
00:35:27.059 --> 00:35:30.420
his socks would have been black by the end of that shoot, wouldn't

799
00:35:30.420 --> 00:35:30.599
they?

800
00:35:30.659 --> 00:35:31.500
It would just be terrible.

801
00:35:31.739 --> 00:35:36.900
I do like how she comes in and start sort of unpeeling her talk.

802
00:35:36.960 --> 00:35:40.320
She's absolute swaggers too, doesn't she?

803
00:35:40.380 --> 00:35:41.159
And I love that.

804
00:35:41.219 --> 00:35:45.119
I'm doing a little bit of mime acting, you know, like when he gets

805
00:35:45.119 --> 00:35:47.579
trapped behind the behind the barrier.

806
00:35:47.639 --> 00:35:48.840
I thought was pretty cute.

807
00:35:48.900 --> 00:35:50.519
I like it.

808
00:35:50.579 --> 00:35:51.900
We want to see the prefect.

809
00:35:51.960 --> 00:35:53.880
It goes sort of all cockney, doesn't he?

810
00:35:53.940 --> 00:35:55.920
Yeah, yeah, it does.

811
00:35:55.980 --> 00:35:57.239
Yeah there we go.

812
00:35:57.300 --> 00:35:58.139
That's it.

813
00:35:58.199 --> 00:35:59.400
Kick the shit out of him.

814
00:36:00.059 --> 00:36:04.559
Oh, that Kardashian was so slow. could have shot her in that

815
00:36:04.559 --> 00:36:04.739
time.

816
00:36:04.800 --> 00:36:05.940
Did you say?

817
00:36:06.000 --> 00:36:06.900
And now he's dead.

818
00:36:07.139 --> 00:36:11.099
I do like the man falling off the cliff there, like, whee.

819
00:36:11.159 --> 00:36:12.420
Yeah, that's really great.

820
00:36:12.480 --> 00:36:13.619
That is really good.

821
00:36:14.400 --> 00:36:17.340
Yeah, just for that water in the background there.

822
00:36:17.400 --> 00:36:18.119
That's a nice show.

823
00:36:18.179 --> 00:36:19.139
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

824
00:36:19.199 --> 00:36:20.699
I think that big cliff is amazing.

825
00:36:20.760 --> 00:36:22.260
That big cliff is so good.

826
00:36:22.920 --> 00:36:27.719
And I do, I like the bit where he goes, are you sure it's at

827
00:36:27.719 --> 00:36:28.079
peace?

828
00:36:28.139 --> 00:36:30.420
Like they can't, but they haven't been told.

829
00:36:30.480 --> 00:36:33.420
It's been a year that they've been labouring.

830
00:36:33.480 --> 00:36:36.840
It's pretty amazing Oh, so he gets shot, doesn't he?

831
00:36:36.900 --> 00:36:38.639
I think it was the same actor, though.

832
00:36:38.699 --> 00:36:40.440
You know, the one who fell off the cliff.

833
00:36:40.500 --> 00:36:42.360
He just went back up there, yeah, yeah, yeah, probably.

834
00:36:42.420 --> 00:36:43.260
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

835
00:36:43.320 --> 00:36:44.099
Almost certainly.

836
00:36:44.159 --> 00:36:46.139
Woo, that was one hell of a jump.

837
00:36:46.199 --> 00:36:46.619
That one.

838
00:36:46.679 --> 00:36:47.760
Yeah, the guy in the background.

839
00:36:47.820 --> 00:36:49.739
I think they had a little trampoline or something.

840
00:36:49.800 --> 00:36:50.940
He totally went flying.

841
00:36:51.179 --> 00:36:55.019
Sometimes they have, you know, elastic and stuff.

842
00:36:55.079 --> 00:36:56.880
It's pretty amazing.

843
00:36:56.880 --> 00:36:59.820
And it's just, look, it's all we said about their corridors in

844
00:36:59.820 --> 00:37:00.840
Discovery the other day.

845
00:37:00.900 --> 00:37:02.639
It's just so nice when you can have like people running.

846
00:37:03.119 --> 00:37:07.500
And people far out in, you know, far off in the distance out of

847
00:37:07.500 --> 00:37:08.639
out of focus.

848
00:37:08.699 --> 00:37:11.699
You know, we had earlier, the Kardassians some distance behind

849
00:37:11.699 --> 00:37:12.000
them.

850
00:37:13.139 --> 00:37:17.219
And I, yeah, I don't mind this too.

851
00:37:17.280 --> 00:37:21.179
I do like the, you know, we don't want to leave anyone behind, but

852
00:37:21.179 --> 00:37:26.579
the people themselves say no, um, and then they let go anyway.

853
00:37:26.639 --> 00:37:27.360
I think is really great.

854
00:37:27.420 --> 00:37:29.340
Like, I think that's...

855
00:37:29.400 --> 00:37:32.820
Well, the last thing we expect is for to cut one to apologise and

856
00:37:32.820 --> 00:37:36.900
2 saying, oh, those people you left behind, they're safe and

857
00:37:36.900 --> 00:37:37.199
well.

858
00:37:37.260 --> 00:37:38.400
That's really good.

859
00:37:38.460 --> 00:37:39.420
I like that.

860
00:37:39.480 --> 00:37:41.159
That's not unnecessary.

861
00:37:41.219 --> 00:37:43.860
And, you know, like, it's a little bit of a heroic thing that

862
00:37:43.860 --> 00:37:45.960
these guys do and they don't get punished for it.

863
00:37:46.019 --> 00:37:46.440
I like it.

864
00:37:46.559 --> 00:37:50.340
They've put in like Cardassian symbols or something, yeah, yeah

865
00:37:50.340 --> 00:37:50.639
yeah.

866
00:37:50.699 --> 00:37:52.980
Yeah, to absolutely make it look more Cardassian.

867
00:37:54.119 --> 00:37:56.400
Is it a Kardashian?

868
00:37:56.460 --> 00:37:57.300
Is it a Bajoran?

869
00:37:57.360 --> 00:37:57.960
Where are we?

870
00:37:58.079 --> 00:38:00.179
They're on Cardassia four.

871
00:38:00.300 --> 00:38:04.500
So I'm assuming Cardassia, it's in the Cardassia system.

872
00:38:04.559 --> 00:38:05.219
Do you know what I mean?

873
00:38:05.280 --> 00:38:08.699
It's another habitable planet, along with Kardassia Prime.

874
00:38:08.760 --> 00:38:11.820
You know, I don't think I'm picking up the game. two gala class

875
00:38:11.820 --> 00:38:13.800
Cardassian warships that we're never going to see.

876
00:38:13.860 --> 00:38:18.179
No, but the galore class warships are mentioned way back in TNG.

877
00:38:18.239 --> 00:38:21.420
Like, that's the only class of Cardassianship that I'm aware of.

878
00:38:21.480 --> 00:38:24.780
I'm sure that others exist, but that's the one I at least know the

879
00:38:24.780 --> 00:38:25.199
name of.

880
00:38:25.619 --> 00:38:30.000
I mean, it's a good call, I think, like going and saying, just get

881
00:38:30.000 --> 00:38:31.139
us out of here then, fine.

882
00:38:31.199 --> 00:38:32.940
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

883
00:38:33.000 --> 00:38:37.440
But like they agree to it and he objects, you know, because he and

884
00:38:37.440 --> 00:38:38.519
it's a 1st indication.

885
00:38:38.579 --> 00:38:40.679
I think that he doesn't think he's worth it.

886
00:38:40.739 --> 00:38:43.679
You know, like he's actually, he hasn't escaped.

887
00:38:43.739 --> 00:38:47.820
He didn't smuggle out his own earring or anything because he just

888
00:38:47.820 --> 00:38:51.179
doesn't really think he's any use to anyone, you know.

889
00:38:51.239 --> 00:38:54.960
Oh, it's a nice guy, because coming out. these people are worse

890
00:38:54.960 --> 00:38:55.380
than me.

891
00:38:55.440 --> 00:38:57.300
They need medical attention more than I do.

892
00:38:57.360 --> 00:38:59.760
Yeah, again, that's more of the kind of like I'm really not going

893
00:38:59.760 --> 00:39:02.880
to be any use to you because I'm super boring and I didn't do

894
00:39:02.880 --> 00:39:03.179
anything.

895
00:39:04.320 --> 00:39:08.280
Of course, he is one of the people that decides to stay on the

896
00:39:08.280 --> 00:39:11.400
station when everyone else goes to protect him.

897
00:39:11.460 --> 00:39:13.619
He's one of those people that refuses to walk over the line

898
00:39:13.619 --> 00:39:14.699
because he's so boring.

899
00:39:15.719 --> 00:39:19.559
And this, it's really great, isn't it?

900
00:39:19.619 --> 00:39:22.800
Because you think she's going to be dressed down because she's

901
00:39:22.800 --> 00:39:24.300
broken some kind of rule.

902
00:39:24.360 --> 00:39:26.820
Well, she's dressed up by Jaro, isn't she?

903
00:39:26.880 --> 00:39:27.900
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

904
00:39:27.900 --> 00:39:28.559
Cisco.

905
00:39:28.679 --> 00:39:29.820
Yeah, yeah.

906
00:39:31.440 --> 00:39:33.599
A formal apology.

907
00:39:33.659 --> 00:39:35.760
You don't hear this very often from Dakart.

908
00:39:35.820 --> 00:39:40.260
And like, it just made me instantly suspicious, and I couldn't

909
00:39:40.260 --> 00:39:42.179
remember quite what it was doing.

910
00:39:42.239 --> 00:39:46.980
Like, I thought maybe initially the purpose of it was to put the

911
00:39:46.980 --> 00:39:51.119
Cardassians, like, to take them off the table for a 2nd so that we

912
00:39:51.119 --> 00:39:54.599
could concentrate on what was going on on Bajor.

913
00:39:54.599 --> 00:39:58.019
And then I realised obviously he's being introduced at this point

914
00:39:58.019 --> 00:40:04.260
because he will come in later and discover he was behind it all.

915
00:40:04.320 --> 00:40:08.760
He goes, yeah, we had no idea, but these prisoners were like, oh

916
00:40:08.760 --> 00:40:09.000
really?

917
00:40:09.059 --> 00:40:16.139
But, but, season two, episode one, I think that we might be

918
00:40:16.139 --> 00:40:21.300
thinking that something has changed and that they've decided that

919
00:40:21.300 --> 00:40:24.599
you know, you can't wants peace with the Federation and there's

920
00:40:24.599 --> 00:40:27.000
treaties and stuff and he's prepared to respect them.

921
00:40:27.059 --> 00:40:27.719
We don't know.

922
00:40:27.780 --> 00:40:31.380
You and I know where he ends up somewhere.

923
00:40:31.440 --> 00:40:36.059
I mean, they, again, like, they decide that Ducat is somebody that

924
00:40:36.059 --> 00:40:41.400
they want to elevate. because he's incredible in that one scene

925
00:40:41.400 --> 00:40:46.260
and he's in duet in that one scene where he's saying gold or he

926
00:40:46.260 --> 00:40:46.559
was dead.

927
00:40:46.619 --> 00:40:47.940
And that's it in series one.

928
00:40:48.000 --> 00:40:49.500
Oh, I didn't.

929
00:40:49.500 --> 00:40:50.280
Whereas he lies.

930
00:40:50.340 --> 00:40:51.780
He's obviously here.

931
00:40:52.019 --> 00:40:58.800
And then he turns up in Cardassians, but then come the marquee.

932
00:40:58.860 --> 00:41:02.039
He's going on the missions with Cisco, you know, he's properly

933
00:41:02.039 --> 00:41:04.139
involved in the series by the end of series too.

934
00:41:04.739 --> 00:41:08.940
Maybe they I really think they took a good look at one and said

935
00:41:08.940 --> 00:41:10.440
what are our biggest assets?

936
00:41:10.559 --> 00:41:13.980
I mean, like Garak, you know, it was only one episode of series

937
00:41:13.980 --> 00:41:14.460
one.

938
00:41:14.519 --> 00:41:16.679
Suddenly he gets tons to do in series 2.

939
00:41:16.980 --> 00:41:24.000
Yeah, well, it is, it's like giving the, because, you know, the

940
00:41:24.000 --> 00:41:26.400
the episode's always focussed on maybe 2 regulars.

941
00:41:26.460 --> 00:41:27.239
Do you know what I mean?

942
00:41:27.300 --> 00:41:30.119
Like they would, they would get in a runabout and go somewhere and

943
00:41:30.119 --> 00:41:32.340
they would be talking to each other and stuff and we'd have an

944
00:41:32.340 --> 00:41:32.820
adventure.

945
00:41:32.880 --> 00:41:36.059
But here they've decided to foreground the secondary characters

946
00:41:36.059 --> 00:41:41.099
more and concentrate on the characters that are unique to DS9, the

947
00:41:41.099 --> 00:41:43.139
Cardassian characters in particular.

948
00:41:43.199 --> 00:41:48.599
I know for a fact that the reason why the secondary cast got so

949
00:41:48.599 --> 00:41:50.880
much attention, it is Ira Bear.

950
00:41:50.940 --> 00:41:52.139
He loved Nog.

951
00:41:52.199 --> 00:41:53.039
He loved Rome.

952
00:41:53.099 --> 00:41:57.179
He loved Garak, you know, like, and he really wanted to beef up.

953
00:41:57.239 --> 00:42:00.179
God, man, imagine if he'd worked on Voyager.

954
00:42:00.239 --> 00:42:01.260
Yeah, yeah.

955
00:42:01.320 --> 00:42:02.159
Yeah.

956
00:42:02.219 --> 00:42:04.559
We wouldn't have lost Cesca for one.

957
00:42:04.619 --> 00:42:05.219
No.

958
00:42:05.280 --> 00:42:09.719
I mean, Voyager doesn't quite have the scope, does it, for that

959
00:42:09.719 --> 00:42:14.219
because despite, you know, putting McKee in there, it's still just

960
00:42:14.219 --> 00:42:17.400
a fairly kind of human...

961
00:42:17.460 --> 00:42:20.099
There's enough in one or 2 though, it feels lived in, though.

962
00:42:20.159 --> 00:42:21.179
Yeah, that's true.

963
00:42:21.300 --> 00:42:22.619
It has the opportunity.

964
00:42:22.619 --> 00:42:24.780
It just feels like there are only 8 people on the ship.

965
00:42:24.900 --> 00:42:27.719
Yeah, and the same with TNG all the way through.

966
00:42:27.840 --> 00:42:30.539
There's so few secondary characters.

967
00:42:30.599 --> 00:42:35.159
Oh, here's Frank Langella from below.

968
00:42:35.219 --> 00:42:36.480
Really good.

969
00:42:36.480 --> 00:42:41.519
And again, you know, like I, I saw this at the time.

970
00:42:41.579 --> 00:42:42.840
I remember watching it at the time.

971
00:42:42.900 --> 00:42:48.659
I didn't remember that Jaro is, you know, part of the whole plot.

972
00:42:48.719 --> 00:42:52.500
And he seems like an elder statesman.

973
00:42:52.559 --> 00:42:55.440
He's perfect casting, isn't he, for this.

974
00:42:55.679 --> 00:43:01.559
He has a stillness, though, about him, like an intensity that's

975
00:43:01.559 --> 00:43:02.159
very quiet.

976
00:43:02.219 --> 00:43:05.699
Like he does never raise his voice, I don't think, in the entire 3

977
00:43:05.699 --> 00:43:08.820
episodes, but he's, I mean, look at those eyes.

978
00:43:08.880 --> 00:43:10.920
Yeah, yeah, he's amazing, isn't he?

979
00:43:10.980 --> 00:43:11.579
Yeah.

980
00:43:11.639 --> 00:43:12.239
Yeah, yeah.

981
00:43:12.300 --> 00:43:13.380
He's good looking guy.

982
00:43:13.440 --> 00:43:14.579
Next time you disobey orders.

983
00:43:14.639 --> 00:43:15.840
Oh, he's very handsome.

984
00:43:15.900 --> 00:43:16.079
Yeah.

985
00:43:16.139 --> 00:43:18.900
He goes, it'll be the end of your military career, major.

986
00:43:18.960 --> 00:43:19.380
All right.

987
00:43:19.440 --> 00:43:20.880
Maybe by the end of this episode.

988
00:43:20.940 --> 00:43:21.659
You never know.

989
00:43:21.719 --> 00:43:22.440
That's right.

990
00:43:22.559 --> 00:43:23.460
That's right.

991
00:43:23.820 --> 00:43:27.599
This poor woman with him, the secretary, should don't even get a

992
00:43:27.599 --> 00:43:28.139
line look.

993
00:43:28.199 --> 00:43:30.840
And but you notice there was a fair amount of affection.

994
00:43:30.900 --> 00:43:31.260
There.

995
00:43:31.320 --> 00:43:34.199
Like he was physically holding her and not in a threatening way.

996
00:43:34.260 --> 00:43:35.699
It was an affectionate way.

997
00:43:35.760 --> 00:43:36.539
Do you know what I mean?

998
00:43:36.599 --> 00:43:37.559
He was dressing her down.

999
00:43:37.619 --> 00:43:38.880
Do you know what I mean?

1000
00:43:38.940 --> 00:43:40.860
But there was something paternal and affectionate about it.

1001
00:43:40.920 --> 00:43:41.880
I thought it was really good.

1002
00:43:41.940 --> 00:43:46.559
And yeah, in the 2nd episode, he's, he basically has so tortured.

1003
00:43:46.619 --> 00:43:47.400
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1004
00:43:47.460 --> 00:43:47.760
Yeah.

1005
00:43:49.199 --> 00:43:53.579
Um, um, that's not the biggest crowd I've seen on the promenade.

1006
00:43:53.639 --> 00:43:57.000
I mean, it's a reasonable size one. 25 people?

1007
00:43:57.059 --> 00:43:59.460
Yeah, yeah, it's not too bad. quite a few people.

1008
00:43:59.639 --> 00:44:03.539
I think I realise like when I 1st watched this, I mean, I didn't

1009
00:44:03.539 --> 00:44:06.300
need that horrific backstory that he tells in a minute.

1010
00:44:06.360 --> 00:44:11.579
I could tell from his sort of underwhelming sort of underplayed

1011
00:44:11.579 --> 00:44:13.920
performance that he was just a regular bloke.

1012
00:44:13.980 --> 00:44:15.420
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1013
00:44:15.480 --> 00:44:20.639
And now he's the vastly more charismatic Franklin.

1014
00:44:23.760 --> 00:44:24.840
Actually, you're right.

1015
00:44:24.900 --> 00:44:26.760
He's very handsome, isn't he?

1016
00:44:26.820 --> 00:44:29.760
Yeah, I hadn't really noticed it the 1st time through, but it's

1017
00:44:29.760 --> 00:44:33.300
those some, you know, deep Italian eyes, those dark colours.

1018
00:44:33.360 --> 00:44:36.119
He's got a lovely coloured olive coloured skin, isn't he?

1019
00:44:36.179 --> 00:44:37.440
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1020
00:44:37.500 --> 00:44:39.000
He goes, please.

1021
00:44:39.059 --> 00:44:41.940
A politician has to take advantage of this moment.

1022
00:44:42.000 --> 00:44:45.960
And he's so much better at it than Liz Alice.

1023
00:44:46.019 --> 00:44:50.099
You know, like, never forget this moment, the moment where you say

1024
00:44:50.099 --> 00:44:51.300
eyes on Lee Knollys.

1025
00:44:51.360 --> 00:44:54.059
Yeah, he's trying to make clean Alice happen, isn't he?

1026
00:44:56.460 --> 00:44:59.400
He's like a desperate publicist.

1027
00:45:00.840 --> 00:45:02.880
That's actually great.

1028
00:45:02.940 --> 00:45:08.099
You know, like, like, um, the guy who plays, um, Leonalis, Richard

1029
00:45:08.099 --> 00:45:14.940
Beamer, is kind of, is generously giving that scene to Lancello

1030
00:45:14.940 --> 00:45:15.300
isn't he?

1031
00:45:16.559 --> 00:45:21.179
I mean, I mean, he's only playing it in the way he's supposed to

1032
00:45:21.179 --> 00:45:22.260
be...

1033
00:45:22.260 --> 00:45:23.639
Yeah, yeah, yeah, man, isn't he?

1034
00:45:23.639 --> 00:45:27.420
He's supposed to be somebody who's not the hero that they think he

1035
00:45:27.420 --> 00:45:27.659
is.

1036
00:45:27.719 --> 00:45:28.440
So he's playing it.

1037
00:45:28.500 --> 00:45:30.179
Oh, he's written.

1038
00:45:30.239 --> 00:45:34.380
I don't think he's got the opportunity to show off. his acting

1039
00:45:34.380 --> 00:45:35.099
prowess here.

1040
00:45:35.159 --> 00:45:35.699
No.

1041
00:45:36.840 --> 00:45:41.400
Like, I don't know, like beyond, I mean, I'm pleased he died in

1042
00:45:41.400 --> 00:45:42.659
what else can you do with this man?

1043
00:45:42.719 --> 00:45:46.440
Yeah, I mean, do you make him a semi-regular and do you make him

1044
00:45:46.440 --> 00:45:48.059
someone who discovers what it is?

1045
00:45:48.119 --> 00:45:52.800
Like, they're sort of saying he is a hero because he served that

1046
00:45:52.800 --> 00:45:56.699
function, even though he didn't do anything particularly heroic.

1047
00:45:56.760 --> 00:45:59.519
He was a symbol and someone that people remembered and stuff.

1048
00:45:59.519 --> 00:46:01.619
And they do spend a lot of time bigging that up.

1049
00:46:01.679 --> 00:46:04.260
And I think they like a good job of that.

1050
00:46:04.320 --> 00:46:07.619
Line, yeah, of like Bajor doesn't need a man who needs a symbol.

1051
00:46:07.679 --> 00:46:08.760
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1052
00:46:08.820 --> 00:46:17.460
And but at the very end of the of the siege, You know, he, um, you

1053
00:46:17.460 --> 00:46:20.579
know, Cisco says he's determined to remember him as a hero, you

1054
00:46:20.579 --> 00:46:22.500
know, despite what he knows about him.

1055
00:46:22.559 --> 00:46:27.000
I don't know if you take a look at British politics at all, but

1056
00:46:27.000 --> 00:46:29.519
recently, just a single constituency.

1057
00:46:29.940 --> 00:46:32.579
The green party got in, right?

1058
00:46:32.639 --> 00:46:35.880
And they're making this that. huge D-Lab, even though it's this

1059
00:46:35.880 --> 00:46:39.780
back end of summer up north that no one cares about, sorry, anyone

1060
00:46:39.780 --> 00:46:40.440
that lives there.

1061
00:46:41.460 --> 00:46:46.980
But she is a symbol for the potential of change, right?

1062
00:46:47.039 --> 00:46:51.119
Like, ultimately, one constituency means nothing in this country

1063
00:46:51.119 --> 00:46:51.599
at all.

1064
00:46:51.659 --> 00:46:54.000
She'll be shouted down in Parliament, I'm sure.

1065
00:46:54.059 --> 00:46:59.820
But as a symbol of, 0 my god, we're not as far right as we thought

1066
00:46:59.820 --> 00:47:00.239
we were.

1067
00:47:00.300 --> 00:47:00.900
Yeah, yeah.

1068
00:47:00.960 --> 00:47:02.820
Yeah, I mean, I get it.

1069
00:47:02.880 --> 00:47:03.900
Yeah.

1070
00:47:03.960 --> 00:47:07.440
And so I think she was a simple farmer, just like Lean Olis.

1071
00:47:11.099 --> 00:47:16.019
So he has a dark secret, but his dark secret is stupid and we'll

1072
00:47:16.019 --> 00:47:16.860
learn about it later.

1073
00:47:16.920 --> 00:47:20.820
Nathan, one podcast for you and 6 for me.

1074
00:47:21.119 --> 00:47:26.460
I just think Quark is doing weird Star Trek alien intonation.

1075
00:47:26.519 --> 00:47:29.699
He's decided that to make this slice.

1076
00:47:31.079 --> 00:47:33.360
Why are you looking so glum?

1077
00:47:33.420 --> 00:47:35.340
Payday is supposed to be a time of joy.

1078
00:47:39.719 --> 00:47:42.420
You do feel sorry for a rom, don't you?

1079
00:47:42.480 --> 00:47:45.239
Like, it's a real moment of tribe when he steps out of court

1080
00:47:45.239 --> 00:47:46.079
shadow, isn't it?

1081
00:47:46.139 --> 00:47:46.980
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1082
00:47:47.039 --> 00:47:48.360
Doesn't he try and unionise?

1083
00:47:48.480 --> 00:47:51.360
Isn't there an episode where they...

1084
00:47:53.099 --> 00:47:58.320
It is wonderful. and Quark gets beaten up by North Coons as a

1085
00:47:58.320 --> 00:47:58.559
result.

1086
00:47:59.699 --> 00:48:04.500
But he shoves him against the wall, you know. and says you're

1087
00:48:04.500 --> 00:48:06.539
always trying to make me look dumb and you look smart.

1088
00:48:06.599 --> 00:48:09.480
Like, he really, but all the groundwork is being done here.

1089
00:48:09.539 --> 00:48:10.619
Yeah, yeah.

1090
00:48:10.679 --> 00:48:11.099
Yeah.

1091
00:48:11.159 --> 00:48:11.699
Yeah.

1092
00:48:11.760 --> 00:48:14.940
And that's great too, because this is comedy kind of capitalism

1093
00:48:14.940 --> 00:48:17.219
and stuff, but it is illustrating a thing.

1094
00:48:17.280 --> 00:48:18.239
Do you know what I mean?

1095
00:48:18.300 --> 00:48:20.340
Like an actual thing that happens to people.

1096
00:48:20.400 --> 00:48:23.099
But it's doing in a comic way.

1097
00:48:23.159 --> 00:48:26.940
And remember that bit in the Nagus where Rom goes, you know, man

1098
00:48:26.940 --> 00:48:27.900
now you're going to be the negative.

1099
00:48:27.960 --> 00:48:30.420
Maybe I'll have the bar and Cork spits his drink out.

1100
00:48:33.900 --> 00:48:35.280
Yeah.

1101
00:48:35.340 --> 00:48:39.119
Now, I feel like these masks that they're wearing that look a bit

1102
00:48:39.119 --> 00:48:40.619
like autons from Doctor Who.

1103
00:48:40.679 --> 00:48:42.119
They're great, aren't they?

1104
00:48:42.179 --> 00:48:44.880
Well, they are good, but I think they could be scarier.

1105
00:48:45.059 --> 00:48:49.679
I think they're slightly scary because they have eyes, like

1106
00:48:49.679 --> 00:48:51.000
painted on them.

1107
00:48:51.119 --> 00:48:54.239
So they look like he's, they're looking at him.

1108
00:48:54.300 --> 00:48:59.340
Um, but they're sort of featureless. say, what do they think

1109
00:48:59.340 --> 00:48:59.940
they're doing?

1110
00:49:00.000 --> 00:49:00.780
You know, branding.

1111
00:49:00.780 --> 00:49:04.019
Yeah, why are they a brand bartender like this?

1112
00:49:04.079 --> 00:49:05.219
What makes sense?

1113
00:49:05.340 --> 00:49:10.260
I mean, someone having a red hot poker of a symbol scorched into

1114
00:49:10.260 --> 00:49:10.679
their head?

1115
00:49:10.739 --> 00:49:12.119
That's quite extreme.

1116
00:49:12.179 --> 00:49:13.260
Yeah, yeah.

1117
00:49:13.320 --> 00:49:15.960
Yeah. and that is so that is an escalation of it.

1118
00:49:16.019 --> 00:49:18.420
Obviously, you know, it's the sort of thing that we know that we

1119
00:49:18.420 --> 00:49:21.599
can fix with a dermal regenerator in about 30 seconds, the camera

1120
00:49:21.599 --> 00:49:24.659
would just cut away. he'll be as good as new.

1121
00:49:24.719 --> 00:49:25.980
How do I look?

1122
00:49:25.980 --> 00:49:26.940
Yeah.

1123
00:49:27.780 --> 00:49:29.940
He goes, oh, really?

1124
00:49:30.000 --> 00:49:34.320
Yeah, I thought that was just a tiny bit too obvious, but okay.

1125
00:49:34.380 --> 00:49:37.800
Like, it's a cute, uh, cute performance from...

1126
00:49:37.800 --> 00:49:38.940
I can't believe it.

1127
00:49:39.000 --> 00:49:40.139
Bajorans did this.

1128
00:49:40.199 --> 00:49:44.280
I don't think he's been a prize of the full horror of the

1129
00:49:44.280 --> 00:49:45.780
situation on Bajor right now.

1130
00:49:45.840 --> 00:49:50.699
Well, he's only just now fighting out that they're supremacists.

1131
00:49:51.000 --> 00:49:54.119
Hasn't the provisional government tried to stop them?

1132
00:49:54.179 --> 00:49:56.460
Someone just say, yes, that tells you everything you need to

1133
00:49:56.460 --> 00:49:56.639
know.

1134
00:49:56.699 --> 00:49:57.659
The provisional guy.

1135
00:49:57.719 --> 00:49:58.679
Yeah, yeah, that's right.

1136
00:49:58.739 --> 00:50:02.280
But the circle is bigger than the government or better organised

1137
00:50:02.280 --> 00:50:03.780
than the government, you know.

1138
00:50:04.019 --> 00:50:06.480
Is that always the case, do you think?

1139
00:50:06.599 --> 00:50:07.860
No, but it isn't.

1140
00:50:07.920 --> 00:50:09.179
I think it might be England right now.

1141
00:50:09.239 --> 00:50:12.000
It is certainly a thing that can happen, isn't it?

1142
00:50:12.059 --> 00:50:12.539
You know.

1143
00:50:12.599 --> 00:50:17.099
So I think there's a kind of a feeling of realism about that.

1144
00:50:17.159 --> 00:50:18.840
I mean, this is 1993.

1145
00:50:19.079 --> 00:50:24.900
You know, they don't have the rise of fascism that we get to enjoy

1146
00:50:24.900 --> 00:50:30.840
now here in 2026, but it's plausible and it seems of a piece with

1147
00:50:30.840 --> 00:50:31.500
that, I think.

1148
00:50:31.559 --> 00:50:36.119
I know it's probably supposed to be because he's an alien, but it

1149
00:50:36.119 --> 00:50:38.159
looks like Cork has painted nails.

1150
00:50:38.219 --> 00:50:38.699
It's wonderful.

1151
00:50:38.760 --> 00:50:39.599
Oh, no, he does.

1152
00:50:39.659 --> 00:50:41.880
I think he does, but I think I think all of them do.

1153
00:50:41.940 --> 00:50:44.579
I do think that they always make Frankie have those sort of

1154
00:50:44.579 --> 00:50:45.599
slightly blue nails.

1155
00:50:45.659 --> 00:50:49.320
I loved actually how Kira delivers that line handsome as ever

1156
00:50:49.320 --> 00:50:51.119
because she's really super tentative about it.

1157
00:50:51.179 --> 00:50:52.679
She kind of goes, am I going to do this?

1158
00:50:52.739 --> 00:50:53.880
And she sort of does.

1159
00:50:53.940 --> 00:50:57.119
She hates squawk on this for him.

1160
00:50:57.179 --> 00:50:58.739
That's why.

1161
00:50:58.800 --> 00:50:59.340
Yeah.

1162
00:50:59.400 --> 00:51:03.119
Do you remember in, um, in behind the lines in that 6th part?

1163
00:51:03.179 --> 00:51:05.940
That's why when Quark saves them, their whole relationship

1164
00:51:05.940 --> 00:51:06.780
changes.

1165
00:51:06.840 --> 00:51:10.739
Again, though, stuff that's set up early and pays off later.

1166
00:51:10.800 --> 00:51:14.099
I like this too. like this a lot.

1167
00:51:14.159 --> 00:51:24.780
And it's because, like, like, it's super interesting because I

1168
00:51:24.780 --> 00:51:27.599
don't know, it's because they're 2 black men having this

1169
00:51:27.599 --> 00:51:31.800
conversation, like he's explaining about racial prejudice to his

1170
00:51:31.800 --> 00:51:32.099
son.

1171
00:51:32.159 --> 00:51:33.480
Do you know what I mean?

1172
00:51:33.539 --> 00:51:37.199
And I think we're supposed to imagine in the, in the 24th century

1173
00:51:37.199 --> 00:51:40.619
there isn't the anti-black racism that there is now.

1174
00:51:40.679 --> 00:51:46.980
Um, but um, but so he has to explain to his son about this, but it

1175
00:51:46.980 --> 00:51:48.659
just makes it realer, I think.

1176
00:51:48.719 --> 00:51:53.219
And also, what was a cute, acute romantic fun beat?

1177
00:51:53.280 --> 00:51:54.420
Do you know what I mean?

1178
00:51:54.480 --> 00:51:58.500
Now becomes the 2nd scene in a row about how Bajoran's Bajor's

1179
00:51:58.500 --> 00:52:00.719
being taken over by kind of white supremacists.

1180
00:52:00.780 --> 00:52:04.739
I love as well, though, how it's obviously big events that are

1181
00:52:04.739 --> 00:52:10.019
happening and it's brought into their personal life at home. you

1182
00:52:10.019 --> 00:52:10.260
know?

1183
00:52:10.320 --> 00:52:12.719
I can't really understand that geopolitics.

1184
00:52:12.780 --> 00:52:14.699
I can understand an upset little boy.

1185
00:52:14.820 --> 00:52:16.739
Yeah, it's wonderful, doesn't it?

1186
00:52:16.800 --> 00:52:18.539
That's what I love as well.

1187
00:52:18.599 --> 00:52:20.159
Avery kisses him on the head.

1188
00:52:20.219 --> 00:52:20.940
I know.

1189
00:52:21.000 --> 00:52:25.380
You know, I love the intimacy between the characters on DS9. how

1190
00:52:25.380 --> 00:52:26.519
much they touch each other.

1191
00:52:26.579 --> 00:52:31.800
It stresses the family element of the show without stressing the

1192
00:52:31.800 --> 00:52:33.059
family element of the show.

1193
00:52:33.119 --> 00:52:34.500
Oh this is great.

1194
00:52:34.559 --> 00:52:36.780
He tried to just get away on a freighter.

1195
00:52:36.840 --> 00:52:37.559
I I don't blame him.

1196
00:52:37.619 --> 00:52:40.920
No, with that ugly green alien who looks just amazing.

1197
00:52:40.980 --> 00:52:42.300
Here we go.

1198
00:52:42.360 --> 00:52:44.460
It was a big, ugly tree.

1199
00:52:44.519 --> 00:52:45.599
You know?

1200
00:52:48.900 --> 00:52:55.980
No, it's replaced this time by I shot an unarmed Cardassian man in

1201
00:52:55.980 --> 00:52:57.239
his underwear.

1202
00:52:57.360 --> 00:53:01.199
What we need, what we need is Teresa there to suddenly set his

1203
00:53:01.199 --> 00:53:03.719
broken arm and say good story, bro.

1204
00:53:05.579 --> 00:53:09.659
There was one line I did like, though, was when he goes, you

1205
00:53:09.659 --> 00:53:11.699
should have seen the look on his face when I shot him.

1206
00:53:11.760 --> 00:53:13.019
He looked so embarrassed.

1207
00:53:13.079 --> 00:53:14.039
Embarrassed.

1208
00:53:14.400 --> 00:53:15.480
It was a great line.

1209
00:53:15.840 --> 00:53:20.699
It is like, I don't know, the show has to do this, doesn't it?

1210
00:53:20.760 --> 00:53:23.820
It's not going to show. where they are at this point. yeah, yes.

1211
00:53:23.880 --> 00:53:24.059
Yes.

1212
00:53:24.119 --> 00:53:25.079
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1213
00:53:25.139 --> 00:53:28.380
But, you know, progress was before this. how to take the piss out

1214
00:53:28.380 --> 00:53:28.800
of this stuff.

1215
00:53:28.860 --> 00:53:30.000
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1216
00:53:30.059 --> 00:53:30.539
That's right.

1217
00:53:30.599 --> 00:53:31.800
They were already making fun of it.

1218
00:53:32.639 --> 00:53:34.800
And again, he's good.

1219
00:53:34.860 --> 00:53:36.300
You know, he delivers this speech.

1220
00:53:36.360 --> 00:53:39.840
It's not it's not uninvolving to watch or anything like that

1221
00:53:39.840 --> 00:53:41.159
but...

1222
00:53:41.159 --> 00:53:45.300
And I do like the conclusion it leads to was him saying that Cisco

1223
00:53:45.300 --> 00:53:50.039
saying about being a symbol, you know, and not being a hero.

1224
00:53:50.099 --> 00:53:52.619
But yeah, Jesus Christ, man.

1225
00:53:52.679 --> 00:53:55.320
I mean, it's such a detailed story as well.

1226
00:53:55.380 --> 00:53:58.860
I slipped down the bank, he reached for his phaser.

1227
00:53:58.920 --> 00:54:01.260
He was lying, his clothes were on a nearby rock.

1228
00:54:01.320 --> 00:54:03.000
Why is that an important detail?

1229
00:54:03.059 --> 00:54:07.679
But don't you think, don't you think that the point of this scene

1230
00:54:07.679 --> 00:54:13.079
is to give this actor a chance to do some acting?

1231
00:54:13.139 --> 00:54:17.099
Like to tell the story, so that we get to know what sort of man he

1232
00:54:17.099 --> 00:54:19.559
is not just by the content of the story?

1233
00:54:19.619 --> 00:54:23.460
But by the way, he tells it and to give this, you know, fairly

1234
00:54:23.460 --> 00:54:26.519
distinguished guest a chance to do something, I think.

1235
00:54:26.579 --> 00:54:32.820
And I do think, like, the story is kind of agonising, but I do

1236
00:54:32.820 --> 00:54:38.639
believe that in the situation the Bajorans were in, if this

1237
00:54:38.639 --> 00:54:42.719
happened, then they would elevate somebody, despite the fact, they

1238
00:54:42.719 --> 00:54:45.480
were looking for any glimmer of hope, were they?

1239
00:54:45.539 --> 00:54:49.800
And in fact, you know, like we do have episodes where we go back

1240
00:54:49.800 --> 00:54:52.860
and see the occupation and stuff like that, you know, where we

1241
00:54:52.860 --> 00:54:56.519
travel back in time or whatever or get sort of flashbacks and

1242
00:54:56.519 --> 00:55:00.119
things, but the only way that we really know what the occupation

1243
00:55:00.119 --> 00:55:03.719
is like is through these speeches, I mean, duet.

1244
00:55:03.780 --> 00:55:04.920
Do you know what I mean?

1245
00:55:04.980 --> 00:55:07.380
speeches about all of that as well.

1246
00:55:07.440 --> 00:55:10.199
We get a sense of what that was like.

1247
00:55:10.260 --> 00:55:12.059
It's so brutally described.

1248
00:55:12.119 --> 00:55:13.500
I mean they couldn't show you that.

1249
00:55:13.559 --> 00:55:15.179
No, no, no.

1250
00:55:15.239 --> 00:55:16.440
Yeah.

1251
00:55:16.500 --> 00:55:20.579
But, but, you know, and we make fun of it, you know, when Shacks

1252
00:55:20.579 --> 00:55:24.239
finally meets Kira again on Deep Space 9 in Lower Decks, and

1253
00:55:24.239 --> 00:55:26.639
they're constantly talking about the different ways they rescued

1254
00:55:26.639 --> 00:55:29.280
each other during the occupation and stuff.

1255
00:55:29.400 --> 00:55:31.980
And it's all those backstories that they tell each other, all

1256
00:55:31.980 --> 00:55:33.179
those war stories.

1257
00:55:33.239 --> 00:55:36.179
He is good here, though, Richard Beimler.

1258
00:55:36.239 --> 00:55:38.820
Like where he goes, yeah, I've done everything that Bejos need to

1259
00:55:38.820 --> 00:55:41.820
be to do over the years and now this is enough.

1260
00:55:41.880 --> 00:55:43.139
Yeah, yeah.

1261
00:55:43.139 --> 00:55:43.920
Like I am dumb.

1262
00:55:43.980 --> 00:55:45.719
Yeah, yeah.

1263
00:55:45.780 --> 00:55:49.260
And you know, like they're not sort of overplaying the trauma that

1264
00:55:49.260 --> 00:55:50.099
he's experienced.

1265
00:55:50.219 --> 00:55:54.360
You know, he's been locked up for a year doing hard labour in a

1266
00:55:54.360 --> 00:55:56.519
Cardassian prison camp, you know.

1267
00:55:56.820 --> 00:55:59.460
It's just that backstory though.

1268
00:55:59.519 --> 00:56:00.480
Oh, boy.

1269
00:56:00.480 --> 00:56:01.139
It's too much.

1270
00:56:01.199 --> 00:56:03.659
It's a good, like, I don't think it's a terrible story, but it is

1271
00:56:03.659 --> 00:56:05.460
kind of so Star Trek.

1272
00:56:05.519 --> 00:56:09.480
I sent you a message saying, wow, this really does show me the

1273
00:56:09.480 --> 00:56:10.679
value of good actors.

1274
00:56:10.739 --> 00:56:12.659
Sacking the lines, you know?

1275
00:56:12.719 --> 00:56:13.440
that's right.

1276
00:56:13.500 --> 00:56:16.559
But the 1st thing I thought was the thing that you just said was

1277
00:56:16.559 --> 00:56:18.360
the big, ugly tree, speech.

1278
00:56:19.139 --> 00:56:20.760
Progress.

1279
00:56:21.840 --> 00:56:25.500
Are there any examples in Kurtzman Trek where people aren't

1280
00:56:25.500 --> 00:56:27.780
punished for their agonising backstory?

1281
00:56:27.840 --> 00:56:28.320
No, I think so.

1282
00:56:28.440 --> 00:56:32.340
Do you remember that we get the agonising backstory from the

1283
00:56:32.340 --> 00:56:35.519
pirate in the Serene Squall?

1284
00:56:35.639 --> 00:56:37.920
that turns out to have been alive.

1285
00:56:38.039 --> 00:56:39.900
There's a wonderful one.

1286
00:56:39.960 --> 00:56:43.440
Actually, there's series one as well, in vortex. where the fella

1287
00:56:43.440 --> 00:56:47.820
the Odo takes Croden, tells the story about how he snapped the

1288
00:56:47.820 --> 00:56:50.940
neck of the prison of the guards that were trying to take his

1289
00:56:50.940 --> 00:56:55.559
daughter away and how he, it was like cut in the necks of the

1290
00:56:55.559 --> 00:56:56.699
chickens when he was younger.

1291
00:56:56.820 --> 00:57:01.199
And I just goes, do you really expect me to believe this appalling

1292
00:57:01.199 --> 00:57:02.820
tale, you just...

1293
00:57:05.940 --> 00:57:08.340
Are we at the cliffhanger already?

1294
00:57:08.400 --> 00:57:13.559
I think we may well be, yeah, that flew by, actually, didn't it?

1295
00:57:13.619 --> 00:57:16.380
It is not very much happens, I think.

1296
00:57:16.440 --> 00:57:17.219
Do you know what I mean?

1297
00:57:17.280 --> 00:57:18.719
40 minutes go.

1298
00:57:18.780 --> 00:57:19.559
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1299
00:57:19.619 --> 00:57:21.539
We just like hanging with the people, though.

1300
00:57:21.599 --> 00:57:24.360
Oh, that's it, but it is super lashly.

1301
00:57:24.420 --> 00:57:29.280
And I think for, I do think it's a risk for series 2, part one.

1302
00:57:29.340 --> 00:57:31.619
Do you know what I mean to come back and have so little happening

1303
00:57:31.619 --> 00:57:32.280
it.

1304
00:57:32.340 --> 00:57:34.920
Nathan, it could have been the child, all right?

1305
00:57:34.980 --> 00:57:36.780
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1306
00:57:36.840 --> 00:57:38.340
Like, I think they paid off.

1307
00:57:38.400 --> 00:57:40.440
I think they paid off but I think it was a risky move.

1308
00:57:40.559 --> 00:57:43.739
I think having a couple of really good actors having some location

1309
00:57:43.739 --> 00:57:48.480
stuff, having things develop, having some things bubble under, and

1310
00:57:48.480 --> 00:57:52.320
having a few scenes in a row which centre on the existence and the

1311
00:57:52.320 --> 00:57:53.400
rise of the circle.

1312
00:57:53.460 --> 00:57:56.519
Do you know what I mean to set it up so that it doesn't come out

1313
00:57:56.519 --> 00:57:57.119
of nowhere?

1314
00:57:57.179 --> 00:57:58.320
Like, I think it was worth it.

1315
00:57:58.380 --> 00:58:00.119
I think the scale of this was worth it.

1316
00:58:00.179 --> 00:58:04.139
But it is striking how little happens.

1317
00:58:04.199 --> 00:58:05.400
Yeah.

1318
00:58:05.460 --> 00:58:12.000
Yeah, they are saving like the incident for the later episodes and

1319
00:58:12.000 --> 00:58:13.980
they are just doing a lot of setup here.

1320
00:58:14.039 --> 00:58:17.820
But it is so telling when we have just watched Way of the

1321
00:58:17.820 --> 00:58:18.480
Warrior.

1322
00:58:18.539 --> 00:58:21.000
And just everything in that.

1323
00:58:21.059 --> 00:58:23.519
Like the jokes are wittier.

1324
00:58:23.579 --> 00:58:28.380
You know, it does move faster than this, the 1st 45 minutes.

1325
00:58:28.440 --> 00:58:33.239
Like there is a great action sequence towards the end of part one

1326
00:58:33.239 --> 00:58:34.440
of where the Warrior.

1327
00:58:34.559 --> 00:58:38.460
The two-hand scenes have got more energy to them.

1328
00:58:38.519 --> 00:58:40.500
We visit more parts of the station.

1329
00:58:40.559 --> 00:58:46.199
But they realise they realise series 4 when they are the exec said

1330
00:58:46.199 --> 00:58:49.559
you know, you kind of need to set up your game a little bit, they

1331
00:58:49.559 --> 00:58:52.079
realise that they just have to up the energy.

1332
00:58:52.199 --> 00:58:53.940
Yeah, with everything.

1333
00:58:54.000 --> 00:58:55.260
That's right.

1334
00:58:55.320 --> 00:58:55.920
That's right.

1335
00:58:55.980 --> 00:59:00.239
But you can see them getting there here because I think way of the

1336
00:59:00.239 --> 00:59:04.679
warrior makes the choice of being an hour and a half of being 2

1337
00:59:04.679 --> 00:59:06.239
episodes jammed together.

1338
00:59:06.300 --> 00:59:09.719
And so it can afford to be quite leisurely and to spend a lot of

1339
00:59:09.719 --> 00:59:13.980
time on those 2 handers because everyone tuning in that night is

1340
00:59:13.980 --> 00:59:16.440
still going to see the fist fights and the invasion of the station

1341
00:59:16.440 --> 00:59:18.539
and the space battles and so on.

1342
00:59:18.599 --> 00:59:23.760
But I do think here, it is a bit of a risky choice.

1343
00:59:23.820 --> 00:59:27.900
Um, but just just in context of the 1st broadcast.

1344
00:59:27.960 --> 00:59:31.260
It's a risky choice as the 1st episode.

1345
00:59:31.320 --> 00:59:31.920
That's right.

1346
00:59:32.039 --> 00:59:35.039
Now, you know, the show exist says it is, it went for 7 years

1347
00:59:35.099 --> 00:59:39.119
everything's fine, and it's very, very easy to enjoy this episode

1348
00:59:39.119 --> 00:59:42.300
but I wonder what it might have been like for someone tuning in

1349
00:59:42.300 --> 00:59:44.579
for series 2, episode one the 1st time.

1350
00:59:44.639 --> 00:59:49.260
So worth remembering that these Bajoran episodes weren't popular.

1351
00:59:49.320 --> 00:59:49.920
At the time.

1352
00:59:49.980 --> 00:59:50.699
We've enough.

1353
00:59:50.760 --> 00:59:53.940
I think I think they've gained popularity as time's gone on

1354
00:59:53.940 --> 00:59:58.019
because there's some quite mature, quite sophisticated stuff

1355
00:59:58.019 --> 00:59:58.739
happening in them.

1356
00:59:58.800 --> 01:00:02.039
But I think at the time what people wanted was TNG.

1357
01:00:02.159 --> 01:00:06.300
Yeah, you know, and not, you know, explorations of politics and

1358
01:00:06.300 --> 01:00:08.039
religion in a stationary setting.

1359
01:00:08.099 --> 01:00:11.579
This stuff is aged really, really well, I think.

1360
01:00:11.639 --> 01:00:14.699
Well, yeah, and the themes of it, you know, like what it's

1361
01:00:14.699 --> 01:00:18.300
actually about, I think, is still spot on and incredibly relevant

1362
01:00:18.300 --> 01:00:23.219
and interesting now, but they did drop the Bajoran episodes.

1363
01:00:23.280 --> 01:00:27.420
You go forward to season four. and I think you have accession.

1364
01:00:27.659 --> 01:00:30.119
I think that might be it.

1365
01:00:30.179 --> 01:00:33.659
Well, they almost forget that Cisco's the emissary.

1366
01:00:33.719 --> 01:00:36.780
Like they kind of they put that on the back burner for quite a

1367
01:00:36.780 --> 01:00:37.559
while, I think.

1368
01:00:37.619 --> 01:00:38.280
Yeah.

1369
01:00:38.340 --> 01:00:40.500
And then sort of pump it up at the end.

1370
01:00:40.559 --> 01:00:43.980
But, like, it's not the last time they do a quiet opener, because

1371
01:00:43.980 --> 01:00:45.239
we did image in the sand.

1372
01:00:45.300 --> 01:00:49.920
And on the back of big, huge catastrophic events in tears and the

1373
01:00:49.920 --> 01:00:50.400
profits.

1374
01:00:50.460 --> 01:00:55.440
That was a very quiet character piece where we were dealing with

1375
01:00:55.440 --> 01:01:00.000
Cisco down on earth and we were dealing with wharf, dealing with

1376
01:01:00.000 --> 01:01:03.599
the death of Dax, and all of that stuff, and it was very, very

1377
01:01:03.599 --> 01:01:04.079
quiet.

1378
01:01:04.139 --> 01:01:08.280
But like this, all of the big stuff came in the conclusion.

1379
01:01:08.400 --> 01:01:12.900
But I do think that that did come off the back of some something

1380
01:01:12.900 --> 01:01:13.800
really big.

1381
01:01:13.860 --> 01:01:18.300
Whereas this doesn't look back to how the previous season ended or

1382
01:01:18.300 --> 01:01:20.280
anything that happened in the previous season.

1383
01:01:20.340 --> 01:01:23.340
And when it talks about what was happening the previous season, it

1384
01:01:23.340 --> 01:01:25.199
talks about things that we didn't get to see.

1385
01:01:25.260 --> 01:01:32.400
And so I think that Image in the Sand can afford to be a little

1386
01:01:32.400 --> 01:01:35.880
bit more leisurely and stuff because all the characters are in

1387
01:01:35.880 --> 01:01:39.420
very, very different places from where we saw them because things

1388
01:01:39.420 --> 01:01:40.739
have changed over the years.

1389
01:01:40.739 --> 01:01:45.000
Here, we're just emerging from the initial setup in the kind of

1390
01:01:45.000 --> 01:01:46.199
seasoned Bible.

1391
01:01:46.260 --> 01:01:48.420
We're just starting to move away from that.

1392
01:01:48.480 --> 01:01:52.079
And so the scenes between the characters are really enjoyable and

1393
01:01:52.079 --> 01:01:55.139
charming and they work really well, they do exactly what they need

1394
01:01:55.139 --> 01:01:59.280
to do, but they're not as momentous, I think, as what's going on

1395
01:01:59.280 --> 01:02:01.199
in image in the sand.

1396
01:02:01.320 --> 01:02:05.039
And that's exactly what they do at the start of 3.

1397
01:02:05.219 --> 01:02:09.780
You have the Gemadar at the end of two, and they're threatening.

1398
01:02:09.900 --> 01:02:11.280
You dare come through the thing.

1399
01:02:11.340 --> 01:02:13.199
And in the search, you get the defiant.

1400
01:02:13.260 --> 01:02:18.179
There's a frenetic action sequence where the Jem'adar attacked

1401
01:02:18.179 --> 01:02:22.199
them at the end of part one of the search where you're not sure if

1402
01:02:22.199 --> 01:02:23.699
everyone's not dead at the end of that.

1403
01:02:23.760 --> 01:02:24.900
Like, it's really exciting.

1404
01:02:24.960 --> 01:02:28.980
Ron Moore comes in and goes, right, let's up the answer a bit, you

1405
01:02:28.980 --> 01:02:29.159
know.

1406
01:02:29.219 --> 01:02:32.519
So again, they're learning, let's say, they always learn lessons

1407
01:02:32.519 --> 01:02:33.599
on this show, doesn't they?

1408
01:02:33.659 --> 01:02:34.139
Exactly they do.

1409
01:02:34.260 --> 01:02:35.099
Yeah, yeah, for sure.

1410
01:02:35.159 --> 01:02:40.019
But interestingly, the journey, like, as you say, the journey

1411
01:02:40.019 --> 01:02:45.239
learning those lessons can still be really enjoyable as well

1412
01:02:45.239 --> 01:02:45.599
though.

1413
01:02:45.659 --> 01:02:46.559
And I think you're right.

1414
01:02:46.619 --> 01:02:49.860
As a single episode in its own right, the homecoming is a little

1415
01:02:49.860 --> 01:02:56.340
too subdued as the 1st part of a three-parter, I think it is

1416
01:02:56.340 --> 01:03:01.380
pretty great and it is setting up some misdirects and all sorts of

1417
01:03:01.380 --> 01:03:03.659
interesting things that pay off later.

1418
01:03:03.719 --> 01:03:04.860
Yeah.

1419
01:03:12.420 --> 01:03:16.500
All right, it's the end of the episode and it's time for us to

1420
01:03:16.500 --> 01:03:18.119
work out where we're going next.

1421
01:03:18.179 --> 01:03:23.340
This was your choice, Joe, and so it's my turn, and I'm going to

1422
01:03:23.340 --> 01:03:28.739
pick a show that we haven't done that much of, and that we

1423
01:03:28.739 --> 01:03:30.780
certainly haven't spoken about for quite a while.

1424
01:03:30.840 --> 01:03:36.059
We are going to watch an episode of Star Trek prodigy.

1425
01:03:36.239 --> 01:03:38.699
Oh, marvellous.

1426
01:03:38.760 --> 01:03:43.619
Oh, I'm so used to you. whiplashing back to the hideousness of

1427
01:03:43.619 --> 01:03:44.340
enterprise.

1428
01:03:44.400 --> 01:03:47.820
Yes, to hear you play a decent show. very refreshing.

1429
01:03:47.880 --> 01:03:49.320
Little bit of a toss-up.

1430
01:03:49.380 --> 01:03:53.760
So, yeah, Star Trek prodigy, and we'll pick one of one or 2

1431
01:03:53.760 --> 01:03:54.420
seasons.

1432
01:03:54.480 --> 01:03:56.880
We've done a little bit of two, a little bit of one.

1433
01:03:56.940 --> 01:04:01.260
So we'll leave it open and I'm going to press the button. do you

1434
01:04:01.260 --> 01:04:01.440
think?

1435
01:04:01.500 --> 01:04:04.199
Oh, God, what if we get like the finale or something?

1436
01:04:04.260 --> 01:04:04.860
would be amazing.

1437
01:04:06.599 --> 01:04:11.039
It is season two, episode three.

1438
01:04:11.099 --> 01:04:13.440
Who saves the saviours?

1439
01:04:13.500 --> 01:04:15.719
Who saves the saviours?

1440
01:04:15.780 --> 01:04:18.179
Well, stranded on Solum of the Future?

1441
01:04:18.239 --> 01:04:21.599
The youngsters must avoid any actions that might disrupt the

1442
01:04:21.599 --> 01:04:22.139
timeline.

1443
01:04:22.199 --> 01:04:27.119
Meanwhile, Gwyn challenges Asencia to a ritualistic battle to

1444
01:04:27.119 --> 01:04:27.780
prove her identity.

1445
01:04:27.840 --> 01:04:32.699
So this is still the setup, and we did actually do episodes one

1446
01:04:32.699 --> 01:04:34.619
and two, I think.

1447
01:04:34.679 --> 01:04:35.940
We did the opener, didn't we?

1448
01:04:36.000 --> 01:04:38.460
The two-part opener of season two.

1449
01:04:38.519 --> 01:04:41.760
And so this follows directly on from there and he's still kind of

1450
01:04:41.760 --> 01:04:44.340
setting up the main problem of the show.

1451
01:04:44.400 --> 01:04:49.019
In fact, I think at the end of who saves the saviours, they make a

1452
01:04:49.019 --> 01:04:52.860
mistake that has resonances through the rest of the show that they

1453
01:04:52.860 --> 01:04:56.880
need to fix and that they only really properly fix in the 2nd half

1454
01:04:56.880 --> 01:04:57.960
of season two.

1455
01:04:58.019 --> 01:05:03.239
Like season one, season 2 falls into kind of 2 halves of 10

1456
01:05:03.239 --> 01:05:04.199
episodes each.

1457
01:05:04.320 --> 01:05:08.579
I think it's interesting, and it is a pretty good episode, but I'm

1458
01:05:08.579 --> 01:05:09.420
going to press a button again.

1459
01:05:09.480 --> 01:05:12.420
Yeah, I'm seeing a couple of sort of two-parters in series two, you

1460
01:05:12.420 --> 01:05:12.599
know.

1461
01:05:12.659 --> 01:05:14.579
Yeah, they're quite fun to do a two-parter.

1462
01:05:14.639 --> 01:05:16.019
Because they're show episodes, aren't they?

1463
01:05:16.079 --> 01:05:16.920
Yeah, they are.

1464
01:05:16.980 --> 01:05:17.820
Yeah, 25 minutes.

1465
01:05:17.880 --> 01:05:22.079
So the next episode that I've just rolled is season one, episode

1466
01:05:22.079 --> 01:05:24.119
14 crossroads.

1467
01:05:24.659 --> 01:05:26.460
Crossroads.

1468
01:05:26.519 --> 01:05:30.179
The gang decides to abandon approach store and find a transport at

1469
01:05:30.179 --> 01:05:33.780
a snowy spaceport where Admiral Janeway's crew is already

1470
01:05:33.780 --> 01:05:36.900
investigating leads in their search for the missing starship.

1471
01:05:36.960 --> 01:05:38.940
Oh, that sounds very mid-season.

1472
01:05:39.000 --> 01:05:40.079
Try again.

1473
01:05:40.139 --> 01:05:41.159
It is very midseason.

1474
01:05:41.880 --> 01:05:43.920
Oh.

1475
01:05:45.000 --> 01:05:52.679
It's season two, episode 20 or Roburos part two.

1476
01:05:52.739 --> 01:05:56.219
So it would be the finale.

1477
01:05:57.119 --> 01:05:59.820
Now, how many finalees have we done?

1478
01:05:59.880 --> 01:06:01.739
Have we done too many finales at this point?

1479
01:06:01.800 --> 01:06:03.900
We've done endgame, we've done all good things.

1480
01:06:04.260 --> 01:06:07.019
We've done...

1481
01:06:07.079 --> 01:06:09.000
We haven't done discovery finale, have we?

1482
01:06:09.059 --> 01:06:10.679
We haven't done Picard finale.

1483
01:06:10.739 --> 01:06:12.239
I've done DS9 finale.

1484
01:06:12.300 --> 01:06:13.440
Oh, come on.

1485
01:06:13.500 --> 01:06:16.260
Auroborus part one and part two.

1486
01:06:16.320 --> 01:06:18.300
That could be quite fun, do you think?

1487
01:06:18.360 --> 01:06:18.780
All right.

1488
01:06:18.840 --> 01:06:19.800
I think...

1489
01:06:19.860 --> 01:06:21.599
Let's see how this all sort of comes together.

1490
01:06:21.659 --> 01:06:23.820
Assuming we're not getting any more prodigy, are we?

1491
01:06:23.880 --> 01:06:24.960
I think we're not.

1492
01:06:25.019 --> 01:06:27.360
Yeah, no, I think we aren't getting any more prodigy.

1493
01:06:27.420 --> 01:06:28.739
I think it's ending.

1494
01:06:28.800 --> 01:06:32.280
And I have to confess that I have not.

1495
01:06:32.340 --> 01:06:37.800
I've been struggling to bring myself to watch the last 4 episodes

1496
01:06:37.800 --> 01:06:39.179
of...

1497
01:06:39.239 --> 01:06:41.579
Oh, is that why you sounded a bit tensive there?

1498
01:06:41.639 --> 01:06:48.179
I've literally never seen the finale, but this would get me to do

1499
01:06:48.179 --> 01:06:48.960
it.

1500
01:06:49.019 --> 01:06:49.440
What do you think?

1501
01:06:49.500 --> 01:06:52.320
I think we should definitely do it.

1502
01:06:52.380 --> 01:06:53.400
And you know what?

1503
01:06:53.460 --> 01:06:55.199
Even Jama thinks we should do it.

1504
01:06:55.260 --> 01:06:58.320
He gives part 3 a bem and a beer.

1505
01:06:58.380 --> 01:07:01.380
I guess part 4 a beem and a star.

1506
01:07:01.440 --> 01:07:02.219
Oh, wow.

1507
01:07:02.280 --> 01:07:03.659
Okay, that's pretty high price.

1508
01:07:03.719 --> 01:07:06.539
He's usually very hard on Kurtzman Trek.

1509
01:07:06.599 --> 01:07:07.619
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1510
01:07:07.679 --> 01:07:08.760
All right. think we'll do it then.

1511
01:07:08.880 --> 01:07:10.199
Listen to this.

1512
01:07:10.320 --> 01:07:13.019
It sounds very exciting in their final effort to correct the

1513
01:07:13.019 --> 01:07:13.619
timeline.

1514
01:07:13.679 --> 01:07:16.500
The crew must prevent an all-out invasion of the loom.

1515
01:07:16.619 --> 01:07:18.000
What the hell's the loom?

1516
01:07:18.539 --> 01:07:21.900
and ensure the protostar is returned to its rightful place in the

1517
01:07:21.900 --> 01:07:22.079
past.

1518
01:07:22.199 --> 01:07:23.340
Okay, cool.

1519
01:07:23.400 --> 01:07:24.599
That sounds wonderful.

1520
01:07:24.659 --> 01:07:27.059
The loom are pretty great monsters, actually.

1521
01:07:27.119 --> 01:07:27.900
They're pretty good.

1522
01:07:27.960 --> 01:07:28.559
Yeah.

1523
01:07:28.559 --> 01:07:30.960
I hope Murph gets a big role in it.

1524
01:07:30.960 --> 01:07:32.219
My favourite is too.

1525
01:07:32.280 --> 01:07:33.300
I hope you say this today.

1526
01:07:33.360 --> 01:07:33.780
He's awesome.

1527
01:07:33.840 --> 01:07:34.980
Wonderful, isn't it?

1528
01:07:35.039 --> 01:07:38.400
I mean, this is the season where we've got Chakotay involved, isn't

1529
01:07:38.400 --> 01:07:38.519
it?

1530
01:07:38.579 --> 01:07:41.460
And it's sort of a bit more voyagery than before.

1531
01:07:41.519 --> 01:07:42.300
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1532
01:07:42.360 --> 01:07:44.159
And we get Wesley as well in this season.

1533
01:07:44.219 --> 01:07:45.360
Well, at the end of this.

1534
01:07:45.420 --> 01:07:46.980
He's in the middle.

1535
01:07:47.039 --> 01:07:48.420
He's probably at the end, I would think.

1536
01:07:48.480 --> 01:07:48.780
Yeah.

1537
01:07:48.840 --> 01:07:50.219
Wesley Chakotay.

1538
01:07:50.280 --> 01:07:51.780
I mean, what more do we need in our lives?

1539
01:07:51.840 --> 01:07:52.559
The doctor?

1540
01:07:52.619 --> 01:07:53.340
Jane Williams?

1541
01:07:53.400 --> 01:07:55.920
Plus, you know, it looks visually stunning.

1542
01:07:55.980 --> 01:07:56.699
So great.

1543
01:07:56.760 --> 01:07:57.360
Okay.

1544
01:07:57.420 --> 01:07:58.739
Let's do it.

1545
01:07:58.860 --> 01:07:59.579
Absolutely.

1546
01:07:59.639 --> 01:08:11.159
All right, let's do it. listening to entitled Star Trek Project

1547
01:08:11.159 --> 01:08:12.780
with Joe Ford and Nathan Bottomley.

1548
01:08:12.840 --> 01:08:16.140
We're online at untitledstar trekproject.com where you can find

1549
01:08:16.140 --> 01:08:18.960
subscription links and links to our social media accounts.

1550
01:08:19.020 --> 01:08:22.500
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Ciceran, and the theme was

1551
01:08:22.500 --> 01:08:24.060
composed by Cameron Lamb.

1552
01:08:24.119 --> 01:08:28.199
This episode was recorded on the 3rd of March, 2026 and released

1553
01:08:28.199 --> 01:08:29.340
on the 6th of March.

1554
01:08:29.399 --> 01:08:34.079
See you next time for Star Trek Prodigy, or a Boris Part one, and

1555
01:08:34.079 --> 01:08:35.220
you're a Boris Part 2.

1556
01:08:51.539 --> 01:08:53.640
Yeah, I think that was good.

1557
01:08:53.699 --> 01:08:54.659
Yeah, that was good.

1558
01:08:54.779 --> 01:08:57.779
I did wonder whether it would be just us saying, oh, this is so

1559
01:08:57.779 --> 01:08:59.760
lovely, how much...

1560
01:09:00.000 --> 01:09:02.939
I just think there's lots to say with the characters in this

1561
01:09:02.939 --> 01:09:03.239
show.

1562
01:09:03.300 --> 01:09:06.060
But I think there is something to say about kind of like where we

1563
01:09:06.060 --> 01:09:07.619
are in the history of the show and stuff.

1564
01:09:07.680 --> 01:09:08.399
Do you know what I mean?

1565
01:09:08.460 --> 01:09:12.119
And like that thing that, you know, it just sort of reinvents

1566
01:09:12.119 --> 01:09:12.720
itself all the time.

1567
01:09:12.779 --> 01:09:14.699
I'd forgotten about 3.one.

1568
01:09:14.760 --> 01:09:15.840
They really did.

1569
01:09:15.899 --> 01:09:20.760
Yeah, and they go full on into the Dominion and it feels like big

1570
01:09:20.760 --> 01:09:21.359
things are happening.

1571
01:09:21.420 --> 01:09:24.720
Not having a, it's not having a cliffhanger at the end so much.

1572
01:09:24.779 --> 01:09:27.600
It is sort of a cliffhanger, but it's not a part one, part 2

1573
01:09:27.600 --> 01:09:30.840
cliffhanger, but they have a big development that happens.

1574
01:09:30.899 --> 01:09:31.619
Do you know what I mean?

1575
01:09:31.680 --> 01:09:34.020
Like at the end of the, at the end of the thing.

1576
01:09:34.140 --> 01:09:36.840
Oh, DNG's ending.

1577
01:09:36.899 --> 01:09:38.939
You think we can't destroy a galaxy class ship.

1578
01:09:39.000 --> 01:09:39.239
Wow.

1579
01:09:39.300 --> 01:09:40.020
Here we go.

1580
01:09:41.819 --> 01:09:43.979
Okay, where are we?

1581
01:09:45.479 --> 01:09:47.399
Oh my god.

1582
01:09:47.460 --> 01:09:49.260
You get to choose a season if you want to.

1583
01:09:49.319 --> 01:09:50.220
I do.

1584
01:09:50.279 --> 01:09:51.659
That's kind of exciting.

1585
01:09:51.720 --> 01:09:54.600
If you choose Enterprise Series one, there'll be some serious

1586
01:09:54.600 --> 01:09:56.279
trouble about the slot, all right?

1587
01:09:58.380 --> 01:10:02.039
Starfleet Academy is our least covered show.

1588
01:10:05.100 --> 01:10:07.680
Prodigy is our 2nd least, Colin.

1589
01:10:09.300 --> 01:10:13.020
And Enterprise and Voyager, then next year.

1590
01:10:13.680 --> 01:10:16.739
I feel like we haven't done original series for a long time.

1591
01:10:16.800 --> 01:10:17.640
I'm sure...

1592
01:10:17.640 --> 01:10:20.340
I think you were going to do original series three.

1593
01:10:20.399 --> 01:10:21.239
I was thinking of doing it.

1594
01:10:21.779 --> 01:10:24.479
Oh, I was going to do it next time, wasn't I?

1595
01:10:24.539 --> 01:10:25.140
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1596
01:10:25.199 --> 01:10:27.479
What do you think if I chose a prodigy?

1597
01:10:30.539 --> 01:10:33.899
Although I need to bring up jammers because I don't have a clue.

1598
01:10:33.960 --> 01:10:35.039
Yeah, yeah.

1599
01:10:35.100 --> 01:10:35.579
Yeah.

1600
01:10:35.640 --> 01:10:36.539
I haven't seen all of them.

1601
01:10:40.260 --> 01:10:41.880
Let's do it.

1602
01:10:42.479 --> 01:10:45.060
All right, it's the end of the episode.