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Hey, Joy.

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Hi.

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So, we are watching a new series of Star Trek.

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We're watching our very, very 1st episode tonight of Starfleet

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Academy.

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It's called Kids These Days.

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It's the 1st episode of the 1st season.

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That's a cheesier title than it actually sounds because I do think

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it has a double meeting, like all good TV episode time.

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These days.

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I mean, I'm getting old, you know.

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I started saying that.

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So it was 1st broadcast on the 15th of January 2026.

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So that's, what, 2 less than 2 weeks ago.

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It was directed by Alex Kurtzman and written by Gaia Violo, who is

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credited as the creator of the show.

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Director by Kosman.

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Yeah, directed by Kurtzman. this episode and the next episode.

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I don't know.

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This is the 1st time I've noticed him being credited as a

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director.

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Well, to put his stamp on this thing right at the start.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I think so.

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And you will notice I'm going to get you to keep an eye out in the

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opening credits, but Tawny Newsom is credited as a producer, and

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of course she played Mariner in Lower Decks.

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Ah, okay.

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Oh, so all the people from the other shows are getting involved.

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Well, I mean, Robert Picardo is definitely getting involved in

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this.

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So what did you think?

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I thought it was good.

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I don't think it was great, but I thought it was good.

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I was more convinced by this pilot than I was by the pilots of

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Discovery and Picard, but I was less convinced by this pilot than

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the pilots of, oh God, I can't remember what the show's names

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now.

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Help me out.

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Strange New Worlds and Lower Decks.

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And prodigy, perhaps?

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And I was less convinced by there's some prodigy.

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I actually think prodigy had an edgier 1st couple of episodes than

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this.

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I did think it started out really, really well, and I was totally

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on board in the 1st 20 minutes, and then by the end of this 1st

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episode, I was like, oh, been there, done that.

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This is Kurtzman Trek 101.

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We're all pushing buttons in shiny sets while some space problem

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occurs and getting in touch with our feelings while we do so.

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However, it is the 1st episode and we are easing our way into Star

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Trek.

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It is called Star Trek and it should feel like Star Trek and it

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does feel like Star Trek.

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However, I would like it to be a bit more.

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You know me, I like characters with rough edges, and by the end of

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this, I mean, I was ready for everyone to have a big group hug.

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I mean, that's it felt like we were going a bit of high school

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musical by the end of this.

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So you will be pleased to know because as we record this, episodes

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2 and 3 have both aired.

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In fact, episode 2 dropped at the same time as episode one.

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And the low-level conflict among the kids is certainly something

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that continues and they do have rivalries with other groups as

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well.

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And we get a couple of new kids joining us in episode two.

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So although they do work together to solve a space problem, which

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was, I think, almost certainly where we were always inevitably

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heading in this 1st in this 1st episode.

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Wait, didn't do it with discovery, you know?

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The 1st episode of Discovery didn't wind up being that.

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No, no, that's true.

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That's true.

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It goes in a very different direction.

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It's not necessarily inevitable.

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No.

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This is a show I think that's somewhat lighter than discovery.

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Discovery can be pretty overwrought at times, as we've said

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before.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And this is sort of, this is teenage staff.

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This is absolutely what I love.

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I love shows set in school, so I always have, and this is

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basically that.

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We learn that Sam is 17 years old.

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So these are kids.

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They're all played by actors in their kind of early 20s.

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And so I'm a sucker for that sort of thing.

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I'm a sucker for shows with teachers in them as well.

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And so this was very much the sort of thing that I like.

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And it's not at all what I expected.

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The tone of it's very different.

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It, it does seem odd.

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You know, it's very different from Star Trek in a in a way.

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It's a show set in the Star Trek universe, but it's the sort of

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thing that we haven't really properly seen before, I think.

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No, they're doing DS9 again, aren't they?

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There's a stationary setting, but they're going, but we've still

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got a ship, all right?

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So it's we want to go out into space, we will.

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Yeah, yeah.

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And so far, episodes 2 and 3, we don't go out into space.

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We are just in San Francisco.

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Oh, good.

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I'm pleased about that.

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I'm pleased because, yeah, but you said that, you know, setting a

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school and all that.

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No, this 1st one wasn't at all.

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We only got to the school in the last 2 minutes.

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Yeah, except that said, of course, lands in the middle of San

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Francisco and so that's where most of the things take place.

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So we are still on board the Athena for lots of things.

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There's gyms and there's outdoor areas and there's other places

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where they're being taught.

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But that big atrium set is a huge feature of all of the episodes.

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Is that the promenade set?

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Is that what you're talking about?

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The enormous American space mall.

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Yes, exactly.

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It's not the space mall of the 1990s.

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And you could see all the sort of the different levels of it.

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And I was seeing sort of elevator, you know, escalators going up

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to the gap and all of this.

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That's what I'm saying.

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It actually reminded me of that set in Star Trek Discovery Series

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4.

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Remember we did the 2 episodes on either side of the midseason

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break and the one where they're voting to decide whether to be

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hostile towards the TenC.

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Yeah, and it had that...

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And it's a big space that you can create in the computer without

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having too big a set, although that is a massive set and an

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impressive looking set, I think.

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Well, I know it's shiny, yeah, but, you know, me, I'm not a

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promenade.

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Shiny surface, I'm sorry.

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It might be more basic.

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But I think it's got more character.

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It is interesting though.

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We did talk when we did The Way of the Warrior a few weeks ago.

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Yeah, how interesting the standing sets are and the same here.

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Wow, because and this is going to be the same, isn't it?

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Yeah Not just the bridge. the conference room, you know, like

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boring work of those sets.

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No, places where you can actually have some fun and meet some

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interesting people.

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Yeah.

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And this is all on board a federation starship.

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You know, the atrium, that set is a place on the starship, even

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though it looks like for most of the show.

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It's going to be stationary and just earthbound.

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I hope so because, you know, we really don't do enough of this, do

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we?

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But given that Earth is the centre of the Federation, we never

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really can afford to go there very much.

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We maybe do it twice in DS9 once in DNG.

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And I always wanted that.

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I always wanted that.

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It's not that water reclamation plant, though, is it?

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Tell me we don't go there.

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Okay, good.

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There are some sort of fairly modern buildings and stuff which

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clearly Sabin is some of the buildings in Starfleet Academy.

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So they are sort of things on location.

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I think too, the look of earth is very strange as well here

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because this isn't the gleaming cities of earth that we learn

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about in Muse.

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There has something has happened to the earth.

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And we know from discovery that the earth, um, kind of leaves the

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federation.

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Uh, and Starfleet Academy.

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We actually see it set up in that, you know, that big area that's

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the sort of federation base, which is out in space where there's

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that giant space station, all those spaceships and stuff, and

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that's where Starfleet Academy is set up.

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And during the course of discovery, Earth rejoins the Federation.

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And so now we're returning to an earth, but a thing has happened

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to the federation in the meantime.

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And the thing that strikes me about this is just like Discovery

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and Picard, this is Star Trek in a post-Trump world where...

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If you think about the world that we're passing on to kids these

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days, I'd rather not, actually.

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No.

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And so it's a world that is hovering on the brink of climate

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catastrophe, a world of depressed wages and massive wealth

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inequality.

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It's a world war at the moment.

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Yeah, there's there's no chance that they'll be able to buy

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housing.

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You know, like we're leaving them in a world that they didn't

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create and we're requiring them to function and thrive in that

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world.

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Hopefully fix it.

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Yeah, but they didn't break it.

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And what's interesting about this is that they're really aware of

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that with these kids?

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The kids are all from all sorts of different backgrounds, and I

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presume we'll find out more about them later, but we do find out

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Caleb's background, and Caleb is a victim of family separation

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which, again, is a signature move of the Trump administration, even

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in its 1st term, imprisoning people separating children from their

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families, losing children's families.

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That scene, right?

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That scene where she makes that call and separates the mother.

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I was like, oh, this isn't a federation.

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Oh, I know.

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And I was like, oh, this is interesting.

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Like, let's explore this a bit.

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Something bad has happened and she's aware of it.

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And she, um, that's Captain RK, Nala, RK, Holly Hunter's character

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um, is super aware of it.

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And because she's old and because she reads as a kind of old

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hippie, I mean, she's signed Pamela, isn't she?

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From Strange, you were.

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Very chill.

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She's upset in all those Star Trek.

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Come on, if you're 500 years old, you're going to be a bit chill.

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Yeah, and she is the oldest person ever to play a Starfleet

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captain.

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She's 67.

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Is she not?

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Yeah.

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I mean, I would have put her in her thoughts. 6 or 7?

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67 She looks amazing.

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Oh my god.

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They can do wonderful things with makeup these days.

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The idea, though, of her having existed in the pre-burned

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Federation, that's so clever.

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You're the person that we need to give these kids a post-burn

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federation.

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And then basically saying to the kids, we're building a future and

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then doing this in the academy.

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That's genius.

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I think that's such a great move.

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And there's that speech and we'll talk about it at the end where

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she talks about how she would have approached motherhood now that

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she knows what she knows.

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And she says that would have been less about manipulation and

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advice and much more about listening.

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And I just thought that is that's amazing.

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You know, the world that we live in.

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The world that has been created for the children to grow up in is

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a world that has been shaped by the boomer generation, the people

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who became hippies and then went and ruined everything for

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everyone else.

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And so having her read as an old hippie who has understood the

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responsibility, the the predicament that that children have been

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left in.

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I just think is tremendous.

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And so we'll talk later about the song, which is controversial, but

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I think that elegiac kind of hippie anthem sung with so much sort

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of sadness and awareness that none of that work down.

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It's Rufus Wainwright, and it's arranged by Jeff Russell, who

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composed the music.

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Like, I can see why that's there.

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This is something that is very, very definitely Star Trek for

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right now, Star Trek for 2026.

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Yeah, it's literally saying, kids, oh, no, it looks bad, but

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you'll have to fix it.

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Maybe in the future it'll be better, which is what Star Trek is

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always there, all right?

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Yeah, yeah.

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Although it does amuse me greatly, but obviously the burn, this

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dreadful catastrophe that tore through the alpha quadrant, you

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know, changing things forever.

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Not really.

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We dealt with it in that season, and we have dealt with the

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consequences, but now we actually saw we want a mini reset.

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We want to go back to San Francisco.

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We want the Federation.

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We want all the staples that we had of Star Trek before we want

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the same races.

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Not a lot as actually visually changed about Star Trek because

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that served its function there and now we still want to tell Star

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Trek stories in a recognisable way.

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But there is stuff about rebuilding the Federation, and episode 2

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s main theme is about an important part of reintegrating and

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rebuilding the Federation, and even having references to Nirvar.

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You know, these strange things that happened while the discovery

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was jumping forward into the future, the reunification of Romulus

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and and Vulcan.

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Oh, no, I'm not saying there's not interesting consequences.

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I'm just saying it was sort of pitched to us, the burn, as this

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you know, universe shattering event.

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Nothing will ever be the same again.

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We're kind of going that way It will be the same again.

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We've just got to build it.

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That's right.

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And so we're now in a situation where some catastrophe has

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happened.

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We've lost sight of the principles that underlie the Federation

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and now we're trying and striving to get them back.

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It's kind of, of course, they will.

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They'll get them.

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But it is also a little bit kind of the premise of Gene

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Roddenbury's Andromeda, you might remember that that was the idea

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of that.

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I didn't watch that.

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Was that any good?

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No, it's got Kevin Sorbo in it, it's garbage.

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But, but, um, but that was the premise.

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So it was something that Gene Roddenbury himself had sort of an

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idea of.

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And that, I think, is really good, that the Federation is

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something that's precarious and something that has to be fought

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for.

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Offers me hope, Nathan, because it means it might not just be

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loads of people going, we love each other.

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There might be some edgy things going on on the earth, you know

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dodgy deals, people taking advantage of the situation, all that

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sort of stuff that I like. moral gray area.

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I'm sure I really like.

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I hope so.

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I think it will do what Deep Space 9 does.

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You can already see it doing that.

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The main character here is separated. a child from his mother in

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the very 1st episode and we saw that happen and we know that the

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Federation has done bad things and been in a bad place.

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We know that the galaxy became isolated and scared and suspicious

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and we will see that next episode.

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We'll see more of that, and that does seem to be something that's

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going to be a theme going forward.

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I liked how the lead character, Mia, is it?

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Caleb May.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I liked how, you know, when he sort of walked through that beam

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and suddenly he had a haircut and he was in his freshly pressed

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uniform, right?

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I was like, my God, it's just what Avery Brooks went through an

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emissary.

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He came in looking a bit rough and ready with his beard and

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everything and they went, no, we need to make you look safe.

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He cut his hair, made him look absolutely pristine.

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Although it's so hot, Mia, who cares?

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Well, he's a beautiful man. isn't he?

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I mean, you know me.

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It's the characters 1st for me in Star Trek.

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It's not the tender bad boys. not the space problems.

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It certainly ain't going out there and finding communications with

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other species.

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I really care about that stuff.

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Maybe I'm watching the wrong show.

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Anyway, it's the characters.

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They're great characters.

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I'm really interested.

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And I sort of sent you a message saying it was a split down the

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middle.

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I thought all the adult characters in this world.

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I thought Holly Hunter was superb.

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Robert Picardo is naturally sublime.

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It's not as much as I hoped he was, but when he's there, he's very

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funny.

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I mean, the way they mirrored his 1st lines from Voyager, where he

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goes, tricorder.

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Medical tricorder.

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I was like, awesome.

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Well done.

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Well done, Star for the Academy.

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The MVP for me is what's the woman's name?

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half Jemadar, half Klingon.

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No, the actress.

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What's her name?

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Gina Gina Yasher, I think.

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Gina, Bravo, to you.

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Get on your knees.

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Go on.

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Press ups, go.

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Here, you, Klingon, bit your bag on him.

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I mean, she was a left.

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That's everything that came out of her mouth.

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Whereas the kids, I mean, it's so mere heavy that you can't leave

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this episode with a sense of who that character is.

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You go into all of his backstory.

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The others whilst likeable.

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I was like, I got a sense of who they were, as in, there was the

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bully that wanted some attention.

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There was the Klingon who was quite sensitive.

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There was the hologram who's socially awkward.

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But beyond those sort of basics.

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I was like, I, but you know, we're going to learn about those

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characters as we go.

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But, but like the adults were all really vivid, I thought, at the

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end of this, and the kids were sketched in enough.

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I'm really liking the kids, I think.

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And, you know, like I obviously think Caleb is great.

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Like, I think he's really terrific.

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I do like J Dan, the Klingon medical student.

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I think he's very sweet and super interesting.

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And I do like Genesis as well.

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In fact, I like all of them.

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I do like the kids.

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It's just they've done everything, haven't they?

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to possibly annoy all the right people, you know.

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But sensitive Klingon who apologises.

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The 1st thing he does is apologise.

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I saw someone going, Klingons don't apologise.

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They kill people.

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I mean these maniacs online, man. getting upset about people

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sitting in chairs, reading books.

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You know, you can't have half a Gemada, you don't have Gemini

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women, you know?

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She's not a Gemini woman, like her father was Jem'adar.

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She's like funny.

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She goes, it's all made up.

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Of course she can.

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And we're in the future.

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Maybe they all started fucking in the interim.

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That's right Do they know what fiction means in science fiction?

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It isn't real, folks.

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It was the most baffling thing where people were saying, how can

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we have a Klingon medical student and I'm kind of going, you don't

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think they're going to bring that up in the 1st episode?

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You don't think it's literally going to be the 1st thing that

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someone says when they learn.

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He's a Klingon medical student.

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Like, you know, these people can't understand television and they

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don't. isn't it?

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Oh, they think it's all real. in a window into the future.

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Yeah.

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But, you know, like, it's promising enough, I thought.

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And like certainly all the usual that special effects were superb

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you know, the sets were pretty amazing.

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The music was great.

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I just did.

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I said, didn't I?

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I came into the 1st 20 minutes thinking, oh, this is very edgy.

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And the 2nd half I was like, oh, this is very familiar.

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Okay.

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How did it get so safe so quickly?

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But I think there's promise in what you say about there being a

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stationary setting where it is going to be more about the

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characters because that's DS9 and I love that approach.

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So, yeah.

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I think we should go in.

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What do you reckon?

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Oh, yeah, we've still got to watch it.

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Sorry, we've discussed the whole thing already.

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Oh, well, it's new.

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It's a new one.

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That's why we're here.

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That's right.

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I think I said the same thing about Strange New Wells, you know

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about how it started off. feeling really fresh and by the end of

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it, we were down on some planet as usual, giving speeches.

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But it was a great speech, though, I seem to remember. incredible.

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All right, I will call it in then in that case.

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Okay, right.

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All of you, Star Trek favs, you know, the furious ones, I'll be

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here.

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It's your mouthpiece for others.

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No, I won't.

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All right.

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I will count it in.

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Five, four, three, two, one, and we're off.

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So this is the new track, 60 Ident, which will be proceeding every

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episode of Star Trek that comes out this year.

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Oh, oh, the Defoyant.

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Oh, Voyager.

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Voyager.

461
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Yes.

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Discovery, Discovery, Enterprise again.

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What's that?

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The Athena.

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What's that?

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That's the Athena.

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Oh, the Athena.

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Yeah, see, look, it was the least memorable of all of them. have

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only seen it in one episode, to be fair.

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By the time you say it here, you haven't actually seen it at all

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yeah.

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I think my trouble with all those ships, right, is they all sort

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of look like one of a piece.

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Well, yes, they're all Star Trek ships.

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I'm disappointed.

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The one on DS9?

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You see that station and you know it's GS9 straight away.

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So this is basically Bill Shatner doing his opening monologue

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space the final frontier, and she even does say space the final

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frontier, and this is her giving the backstory.

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Now she doesn't do it every episode.

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Like, uh, gym or um, or Captain Picard or or Captain Pike.

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But it's pretty good.

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I think it's a pretty good backstory and it does set the stakes.

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I think something bad has happened in the past.

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Uh, and we're trying to reclaim something.

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67.

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Wow.

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God, I only can only hope to look that good at age.

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I think she looks.

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I think she looks, you know, I don't think she looks in a 40, so I

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do think she looks like an older woman.

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Do you think?

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much younger than that.

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Maybe she's got a youthful energy about it.

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That's definitely the case, I think.

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So this little kid who plays baby Caleb.

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Yeah.

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Did you notice this was a little Easter egg here?

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You know, the words that they're using?

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Yeah.

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Well, the last word is squeal, and that's from a DS9 episode, a

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magnificent Frankie, where he was doing a dodgy deal with syrup of

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squeal.

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Plunderful.

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Awesome.

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They remember everything from that Kurtzman track.

508
00:23:06.900 --> 00:23:10.200
Oh, look at the lighting.

509
00:23:10.259 --> 00:23:12.960
Yeah, just that physical thing, like the, you know, we get that

510
00:23:12.960 --> 00:23:17.339
shot of hers scratching his head and we will see it later in

511
00:23:17.339 --> 00:23:21.240
flashback, which just emphasises the physicality of his memories

512
00:23:21.240 --> 00:23:22.500
of her relationship.

513
00:23:22.559 --> 00:23:24.599
He remembers being held by her.

514
00:23:24.720 --> 00:23:28.380
He remembers everything that she says and they're saying.

515
00:23:28.440 --> 00:23:31.319
I like scrap. given it's like a single scene.

516
00:23:31.380 --> 00:23:34.740
This sort of has to anchor his entire journey, doesn't it?

517
00:23:34.799 --> 00:23:39.420
But it also has to anchor the whole show that bad things happen to

518
00:23:39.420 --> 00:23:43.440
these children because the Federation had gone because it had

519
00:23:43.440 --> 00:23:49.140
retreated into fear and isolation and started to do bad things.

520
00:23:49.859 --> 00:23:52.200
Nus Bracker.

521
00:23:52.200 --> 00:23:54.420
That's such a Star Trek name, in it.

522
00:23:54.480 --> 00:23:56.940
It's funny, actually, I was surprised.

523
00:23:56.940 --> 00:23:58.680
They are put an apostrophe in there somewhere.

524
00:23:58.859 --> 00:24:04.140
But I'm surprised that we did have a movie style Star Trek villain

525
00:24:04.140 --> 00:24:08.940
for this episode, and I wonder whether it's some Jesse James from

526
00:24:08.940 --> 00:24:12.299
the Serene Squall, or we could call it the Serene Squeal, I

527
00:24:12.299 --> 00:24:12.480
guess.

528
00:24:12.599 --> 00:24:19.500
Oh, well, that gave them the idea of having a pirate.

529
00:24:19.559 --> 00:24:22.259
And of course, Amanda Plummer was a pretty great Star Trek movie

530
00:24:22.259 --> 00:24:24.359
style villain in Picard series 3.

531
00:24:24.539 --> 00:24:27.299
I was just getting Harry Mudd.

532
00:24:27.420 --> 00:24:32.039
You know, the more dangerous Harry Mudd from Discovery that was

533
00:24:32.039 --> 00:24:33.180
going around murdering people.

534
00:24:33.240 --> 00:24:33.900
Yeah.

535
00:24:33.900 --> 00:24:34.619
Yeah.

536
00:24:34.680 --> 00:24:36.119
Oh, she goes there, doesn't she?

537
00:24:36.180 --> 00:24:37.980
And eventually we're going to go to Earth.

538
00:24:38.039 --> 00:24:40.380
And that's really important in this because eventually he gets to

539
00:24:40.380 --> 00:24:41.220
it.

540
00:24:41.279 --> 00:24:41.819
Yeah.

541
00:24:41.880 --> 00:24:42.839
Yeah.

542
00:24:42.900 --> 00:24:46.500
You're right, but there's, there's, she's so tactile with him.

543
00:24:46.559 --> 00:24:49.980
So you just get a sense of the closeness of their relationship.

544
00:24:50.039 --> 00:24:51.240
Wow, look at that.

545
00:24:51.299 --> 00:24:52.380
That looks so amazing.

546
00:24:52.440 --> 00:24:54.240
These outposts Picaru.

547
00:24:54.299 --> 00:24:56.279
These things that float in the air.

548
00:24:56.339 --> 00:25:00.839
So the thing in the 32nd century is the starships are all pieces

549
00:25:00.839 --> 00:25:06.299
that kind of, you know, that aren't connected to us.

550
00:25:06.359 --> 00:25:07.200
Yeah, yeah.

551
00:25:07.259 --> 00:25:09.779
It's like a load of magnet, just drawing up.

552
00:25:09.839 --> 00:25:12.000
And then we have things just in the air.

553
00:25:12.059 --> 00:25:13.859
So here's Paul Giamardi.

554
00:25:13.920 --> 00:25:19.259
He's a huge get. you know, and he says that he is a Klinger right

555
00:25:19.259 --> 00:25:21.119
a bit later on.

556
00:25:21.240 --> 00:25:22.019
Yeah, what's that?

557
00:25:22.019 --> 00:25:23.759
Is that Teller right Klingon?

558
00:25:23.819 --> 00:25:24.359
I think so.

559
00:25:26.279 --> 00:25:28.019
Look at her.

560
00:25:28.019 --> 00:25:29.579
There's no way she's 67.

561
00:25:29.759 --> 00:25:31.259
I sorry. going on about this.

562
00:25:31.980 --> 00:25:35.220
Holy Hunter, man, you look amazing.

563
00:25:35.279 --> 00:25:37.019
She does look amazing.

564
00:25:37.079 --> 00:25:38.220
She is pretty great.

565
00:25:38.279 --> 00:25:40.500
She's giving Pellio, though. isn't she?

566
00:25:40.559 --> 00:25:42.960
Like, she's really giving sort of...

567
00:25:43.019 --> 00:25:46.079
She's got the same sort of, like, sort of croak-ish voice. you do

568
00:25:46.079 --> 00:25:46.740
when you're 67.

569
00:25:46.980 --> 00:25:50.700
Yeah, yeah, you get an older woman to play her and then make her

570
00:25:50.700 --> 00:25:52.019
super old in the fiction.

571
00:25:52.079 --> 00:25:53.880
It's wonderful stuff.

572
00:25:53.940 --> 00:25:55.440
You know what they're doing?

573
00:25:55.500 --> 00:25:56.759
They're doing the Sarah Jane Adventures.

574
00:25:56.819 --> 00:25:59.759
They're doing a kids show and they're putting an older woman in

575
00:25:59.759 --> 00:26:00.299
charge of it.

576
00:26:00.359 --> 00:26:03.960
In fact, our wolf's getting vibes of the Sarah Jane Avengers, only

577
00:26:03.960 --> 00:26:08.819
in the fact that I figure that her and, um, oh God, the lead, I've

578
00:26:08.819 --> 00:26:10.019
forgotten her name already.

579
00:26:10.079 --> 00:26:13.559
I figure they're going to have a very mother-son style

580
00:26:13.559 --> 00:26:15.299
relationship as this continues.

581
00:26:15.359 --> 00:26:17.519
Oh, you can tell by Luke and Sarah.

582
00:26:17.579 --> 00:26:19.680
I think she's just wonderful.

583
00:26:19.740 --> 00:26:20.579
She's so great.

584
00:26:20.640 --> 00:26:22.380
So you remember she's in the piano.

585
00:26:22.440 --> 00:26:25.380
Like, this is why I was at work today, and I was saying, I'm

586
00:26:25.380 --> 00:26:27.539
watching the new Star Trek, and it's Holly Hunter, and people are

587
00:26:27.539 --> 00:26:29.279
going, Holly Hunters doing Star Trek.

588
00:26:29.339 --> 00:26:30.480
Why is she doing Star Trek?

589
00:26:30.599 --> 00:26:32.759
And that's a pretty big get.

590
00:26:32.819 --> 00:26:35.819
Like, that is a pretty impressive bit of casting.

591
00:26:35.880 --> 00:26:37.680
And she's wonderful.

592
00:26:37.740 --> 00:26:38.640
She's so good.

593
00:26:38.700 --> 00:26:42.660
Well, no, but it was just like, um, oh, God, man, everyone's

594
00:26:42.660 --> 00:26:43.680
name's gone out of my head.

595
00:26:43.740 --> 00:26:44.640
Can you play Giorjo?

596
00:26:44.700 --> 00:26:45.420
Oh, yeah, yeah.

597
00:26:45.480 --> 00:26:46.799
Yeah, Cousin Michelle.

598
00:26:46.799 --> 00:26:48.000
Huge.

599
00:26:48.059 --> 00:26:48.660
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

600
00:26:48.720 --> 00:26:51.660
Maybe that was the tipping point where everyone went, oh, well

601
00:26:51.660 --> 00:26:52.380
she's doing it.

602
00:26:52.440 --> 00:26:53.640
Maybe I'll have a go.

603
00:26:53.700 --> 00:26:54.839
But this scene...

604
00:26:54.839 --> 00:26:55.500
Oh, look at her.

605
00:26:55.559 --> 00:26:56.339
She's so sad.

606
00:26:56.400 --> 00:26:58.500
She really doesn't trust the Federation, does she?

607
00:26:58.559 --> 00:27:00.359
And she's right, not too.

608
00:27:00.359 --> 00:27:02.039
Look, she's right.

609
00:27:02.099 --> 00:27:07.619
And that scene with the kid being like people hauling a mother off

610
00:27:07.619 --> 00:27:12.299
and leaving the child behind as we speak, a kid who was taken from

611
00:27:12.299 --> 00:27:16.380
the streets of Minneapolis is in prison, a five-year-old in Texas

612
00:27:16.380 --> 00:27:17.160
right now.

613
00:27:17.220 --> 00:27:18.660
Is that real?

614
00:27:18.720 --> 00:27:19.740
Yeah.

615
00:27:19.799 --> 00:27:21.000
So like this is a thing.

616
00:27:21.119 --> 00:27:23.220
Well, I watched the news.

617
00:27:23.220 --> 00:27:23.460
Yeah.

618
00:27:23.519 --> 00:27:25.200
God, how do you look at this stuff?

619
00:27:25.259 --> 00:27:29.880
But that's, oh, I love him in this scene.

620
00:27:29.940 --> 00:27:31.859
This is so good, this scene.

621
00:27:31.920 --> 00:27:37.200
Don't you think Well, yeah, and she's but she's very tender with

622
00:27:37.200 --> 00:27:38.400
him here, isn't she?

623
00:27:38.460 --> 00:27:39.900
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

624
00:27:39.960 --> 00:27:42.900
Because she already knows that she's been forced to do something

625
00:27:42.900 --> 00:27:43.920
really wrong.

626
00:27:44.039 --> 00:27:48.180
And later on, she'll say that she has spent every day of the last

627
00:27:48.180 --> 00:27:53.940
15 years trying to find him again because of what she did here and

628
00:27:53.940 --> 00:27:57.000
she knows that she could have end run around it.

629
00:27:57.059 --> 00:27:59.039
She didn't have to do it, but she chose to.

630
00:27:59.099 --> 00:28:02.400
I did wonder, well, when we cut to the future and she was like

631
00:28:02.400 --> 00:28:03.359
this was a decision.

632
00:28:03.420 --> 00:28:07.019
This was what made her finally leave because she said, I thought

633
00:28:07.019 --> 00:28:09.539
oh, is that really a strong enough figure?

634
00:28:10.200 --> 00:28:12.359
But like, I'm thinking, well, maybe...

635
00:28:12.359 --> 00:28:16.619
Maybe she done a lot of this sort of thing, you know, had to make

636
00:28:16.619 --> 00:28:18.000
a lot of these stars.

637
00:28:18.000 --> 00:28:19.200
And this was just the tipping point.

638
00:28:19.259 --> 00:28:22.380
I think this is a six-year-old that she's separated from his

639
00:28:22.380 --> 00:28:27.119
mother and he's escaped and he's gone and it was her fault.

640
00:28:27.180 --> 00:28:30.420
Like, that's the thing is that that's huge.

641
00:28:30.480 --> 00:28:35.400
That's a whole world for a single person and that's what she had

642
00:28:35.400 --> 00:28:35.819
to do.

643
00:28:35.880 --> 00:28:39.420
And like now we have a government in America that doesn't give a

644
00:28:39.420 --> 00:28:42.180
shit about doing that sort of thing and actually relishes it.

645
00:28:42.240 --> 00:28:46.019
And her reaction is how people should react to that.

646
00:28:46.079 --> 00:28:51.900
She separated a mother and a little kid, this baby.

647
00:28:51.960 --> 00:28:55.079
And, you know, like, it's just icing on the cake that they're both

648
00:28:55.079 --> 00:28:55.799
brown.

649
00:28:55.859 --> 00:28:56.460
Do you know what I mean?

650
00:28:56.519 --> 00:28:59.880
Like in this political context, like what else could happen?

651
00:28:59.940 --> 00:29:03.720
It's a white woman doing it to brown kids. to make the poine.

652
00:29:03.779 --> 00:29:04.500
Absolutely.

653
00:29:04.559 --> 00:29:10.859
But this, where he's Caleb, Caleb is hugging him, hugging her, and

654
00:29:10.859 --> 00:29:14.819
that's when she, that's when he steals her communicator.

655
00:29:14.819 --> 00:29:19.200
He sends her out of the room to get the teddy bear.

656
00:29:19.259 --> 00:29:22.559
She doesn't have the communicator on the front of her jacket.

657
00:29:22.859 --> 00:29:24.000
Oh, full dodger.

658
00:29:24.059 --> 00:29:25.259
Right, I'm out of here now.

659
00:29:25.319 --> 00:29:26.700
At the agent six.

660
00:29:26.759 --> 00:29:28.200
Of course.

661
00:29:28.319 --> 00:29:30.839
Do you watch those kids, alright?

662
00:29:30.900 --> 00:29:31.500
sneaky.

663
00:29:31.559 --> 00:29:34.980
But she's not dumb as well, the moment that Scratch says, please

664
00:29:34.980 --> 00:29:35.880
take me to Caleb.

665
00:29:35.940 --> 00:29:36.839
She goes, holy shit.

666
00:29:36.900 --> 00:29:37.559
I just worked out.

667
00:29:37.619 --> 00:29:38.400
What was going on?

668
00:29:39.599 --> 00:29:41.819
No, no, no.

669
00:29:41.880 --> 00:29:42.539
She goes.

670
00:29:43.680 --> 00:29:46.500
Yes, get out of there, kids.

671
00:29:46.559 --> 00:29:49.319
Get away from the evil federation.

672
00:29:50.579 --> 00:29:52.980
It's so good, isn't it?

673
00:29:53.039 --> 00:29:53.579
It's great.

674
00:29:54.480 --> 00:29:56.400
And he's gone.

675
00:29:56.460 --> 00:29:59.279
In this sandstorm, in this giant sandstorm.

676
00:29:59.339 --> 00:30:02.339
And Nathan, the light in that room was so great.

677
00:30:02.400 --> 00:30:05.220
I mean, it was tearing through the walls. a light.

678
00:30:05.279 --> 00:30:06.539
It's really good, isn't it?

679
00:30:06.599 --> 00:30:07.500
It's just terrific.

680
00:30:07.559 --> 00:30:09.299
Just this set.

681
00:30:09.359 --> 00:30:13.019
You fellas sure that not-ish trek was better than that.

682
00:30:14.759 --> 00:30:17.579
Well, I just say it doesn't matter how it looks.

683
00:30:17.700 --> 00:30:19.980
Oh, look at this pull back now. wonderful.

684
00:30:19.980 --> 00:30:21.119
Wonderful.

685
00:30:21.180 --> 00:30:22.019
Now.

686
00:30:22.079 --> 00:30:25.200
And then she, oh, 15 years later, right?

687
00:30:25.259 --> 00:30:25.680
Yeah.

688
00:30:25.740 --> 00:30:30.420
So this scene here just exists in order to give us some sense of

689
00:30:30.420 --> 00:30:33.059
what Caleb's been going through for the last 15 years.

690
00:30:33.119 --> 00:30:35.579
You squint there, you could go.

691
00:30:35.640 --> 00:30:36.839
It's been a long time.

692
00:30:36.900 --> 00:30:39.119
Yeah.

693
00:30:40.319 --> 00:30:42.599
We're going to Beijing.

694
00:30:42.660 --> 00:30:44.400
No, it looks a lot sexier than it did.

695
00:30:44.460 --> 00:30:44.940
Yeah.

696
00:30:45.000 --> 00:30:46.619
Now, I wasn't getting a sense of Beijor.

697
00:30:46.680 --> 00:30:47.220
Do you know why?

698
00:30:47.279 --> 00:30:50.519
I couldn't see none of those lovely monasteries and towers and

699
00:30:50.519 --> 00:30:52.140
streams and it was just a park.

700
00:30:52.200 --> 00:30:52.980
They filmed it.

701
00:30:53.039 --> 00:30:56.819
It did look a lot like the Bajor that we went to in Discovery

702
00:30:56.819 --> 00:30:58.319
though, that we've been to twice.

703
00:30:58.440 --> 00:31:01.140
We've been to Beijor twice in Discovery and it looked very much

704
00:31:01.140 --> 00:31:01.619
like that.

705
00:31:01.680 --> 00:31:02.220
You know me.

706
00:31:02.279 --> 00:31:03.420
I'll miss the map paintings.

707
00:31:03.480 --> 00:31:05.519
They do one establishing shock.

708
00:31:05.819 --> 00:31:10.079
I love this floating thing and all these holograms are great too.

709
00:31:10.140 --> 00:31:12.599
Even this set, do you know what I mean?

710
00:31:12.660 --> 00:31:13.680
Like, it's a throwaway thing.

711
00:31:13.680 --> 00:31:15.240
It just beautifully shot.

712
00:31:15.299 --> 00:31:16.500
So good.

713
00:31:16.559 --> 00:31:17.880
Wow.

714
00:31:17.940 --> 00:31:21.359
Yeah, I mean, do you know, he still looks sexy, you know, even

715
00:31:21.359 --> 00:31:23.519
when he's in a right, I'll state with his hair like this.

716
00:31:23.579 --> 00:31:25.140
Yeah, I like it. hair actually.

717
00:31:25.200 --> 00:31:27.000
I'm sorry to lose some kids.

718
00:31:27.059 --> 00:31:30.180
It's really funny because... in his 20s.

719
00:31:30.240 --> 00:31:32.279
Yeah, yeah, yeah. in his early 20s. as a kid.

720
00:31:32.339 --> 00:31:34.740
They're doing the buffy thing, aren't they?

721
00:31:34.799 --> 00:31:37.559
We're not trusting 17 year olds to play 17 year olds.

722
00:31:37.619 --> 00:31:40.920
It's 15 years later, so he is 21.

723
00:31:41.039 --> 00:31:42.720
Oh, he bit his ear.

724
00:31:42.779 --> 00:31:45.900
Oh, but that's why he's wearing a mask later.

725
00:31:45.960 --> 00:31:49.140
Remember, when Nala comes in to take him away.

726
00:31:49.200 --> 00:31:50.039
He's wearing that mask.

727
00:31:50.099 --> 00:31:51.420
But you see what I mean?

728
00:31:51.480 --> 00:31:54.599
Like, this is like early discovery, this prison shit.

729
00:31:54.660 --> 00:31:55.319
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

730
00:31:55.319 --> 00:31:59.339
You know, guards being attacked, parents and kids being torn

731
00:31:59.339 --> 00:32:00.059
apart.

732
00:32:00.119 --> 00:32:02.099
It feels like it's going to be really dark.

733
00:32:02.640 --> 00:32:04.619
I was like, oh, please.

734
00:32:04.680 --> 00:32:06.240
Yeah, it's not going to be that dark.

735
00:32:06.299 --> 00:32:09.839
It's actually going to be really rather gentle and low stage. to

736
00:32:09.839 --> 00:32:12.000
be quite relaxing to watch.

737
00:32:13.380 --> 00:32:16.079
It was stay low, steaks.

738
00:32:16.140 --> 00:32:16.859
It's Star Trek.

739
00:32:16.920 --> 00:32:18.839
There'll be steaks by the end of the season.

740
00:32:18.900 --> 00:32:21.119
No, that'll be a big thing, but look how beautiful he is.

741
00:32:21.180 --> 00:32:22.380
It's holly crab.

742
00:32:22.440 --> 00:32:23.400
Take a shirt off.

743
00:32:23.519 --> 00:32:24.480
No, well, look.

744
00:32:24.539 --> 00:32:26.339
Harry, he does a great scrap as well.

745
00:32:26.400 --> 00:32:27.660
He gets so physical.

746
00:32:27.720 --> 00:32:29.039
He throws them against the wall.

747
00:32:29.099 --> 00:32:29.519
Look at this.

748
00:32:29.579 --> 00:32:33.599
So the... the rocks.

749
00:32:33.660 --> 00:32:37.559
So one of my favourite things about it is the voiceover is an

750
00:32:37.559 --> 00:32:42.480
English man and he goes unstable flight path and you just go, oh

751
00:32:42.480 --> 00:32:45.779
that's exactly, it's like a tube announcement. so great.

752
00:32:45.839 --> 00:32:50.339
It's a bit like the computer voice in Iron Man, isn't it?

753
00:32:50.400 --> 00:32:51.660
Okay, yeah, yeah.

754
00:32:51.660 --> 00:32:53.099
Is that Jude Law in that, maybe?

755
00:32:54.059 --> 00:32:56.819
Did you see that ship?

756
00:32:56.880 --> 00:33:00.299
It literally bounced off about 4 mountains.

757
00:33:01.559 --> 00:33:01.980
That's great.

758
00:33:02.039 --> 00:33:03.059
So good.

759
00:33:03.119 --> 00:33:09.480
That's going to hurt your back, you know. all over his face.

760
00:33:09.539 --> 00:33:11.099
Yeah, God.

761
00:33:11.160 --> 00:33:12.720
Mind you.

762
00:33:12.779 --> 00:33:15.539
When he's clean cut later, he looks sexy.

763
00:33:15.599 --> 00:33:16.319
I think he does.

764
00:33:16.380 --> 00:33:18.960
And he looks, I think he looks, he looks very cute.

765
00:33:19.019 --> 00:33:21.900
Now we want no accusations of improprieties.

766
00:33:21.960 --> 00:33:23.279
In his 20s, okay.

767
00:33:23.339 --> 00:33:30.900
Calm down, everyone. older men, you know, that like pretty people

768
00:33:30.960 --> 00:33:32.160
exactly right.

769
00:33:32.220 --> 00:33:32.880
Exactly.

770
00:33:32.940 --> 00:33:34.440
Nothing wrong with that?

771
00:33:34.500 --> 00:33:36.240
everyone's very attractive in the show.

772
00:33:36.299 --> 00:33:36.960
That's exactly.

773
00:33:37.079 --> 00:33:40.140
We don't want to see a load of ugly people on the telly.

774
00:33:40.200 --> 00:33:44.279
I remember strange worlds is what if Star Trek only everyone's

775
00:33:44.279 --> 00:33:46.500
incredibly handsome and attractive, you know?

776
00:33:46.559 --> 00:33:47.880
Well, no.

777
00:33:47.940 --> 00:33:49.079
I mean, it's not the other thing.

778
00:33:49.140 --> 00:33:52.440
People are going mad about, my God, there's larger people in Star

779
00:33:52.440 --> 00:33:52.859
Trek.

780
00:33:53.519 --> 00:33:55.920
Finally, I feel represented.

781
00:33:57.539 --> 00:34:00.299
I've got a shot on telling.

782
00:34:00.839 --> 00:34:03.359
This is great though, isn't it?

783
00:34:03.480 --> 00:34:04.380
Like he's desperate.

784
00:34:04.440 --> 00:34:05.099
He's smart.

785
00:34:05.160 --> 00:34:09.960
He's, you know, unscrupulous, all of that stuff, and finally, his

786
00:34:09.960 --> 00:34:10.920
luck has run out.

787
00:34:10.980 --> 00:34:13.320
And this incredible shot, which you would never have seen in a

788
00:34:13.320 --> 00:34:14.280
previous Star Trek.

789
00:34:14.400 --> 00:34:17.519
We've seen ships pulled into other ships by a tractor beam, but

790
00:34:17.519 --> 00:34:18.420
look at that show.

791
00:34:18.480 --> 00:34:20.940
It's close encounter, sort of funny, isn't it?

792
00:34:21.000 --> 00:34:21.599
Beautiful.

793
00:34:22.500 --> 00:34:24.300
It is, yeah.

794
00:34:24.360 --> 00:34:25.559
And we go.

795
00:34:25.619 --> 00:34:28.139
So this is not the opening credits, by the way.

796
00:34:28.260 --> 00:34:30.300
I was going to say it.

797
00:34:30.360 --> 00:34:32.460
I was getting sort of vibes of lost.

798
00:34:32.519 --> 00:34:33.960
It was only about 2 seconds long.

799
00:34:34.019 --> 00:34:37.440
No, we get a proper opening title sequence in episode two.

800
00:34:37.500 --> 00:34:39.059
What is it?

801
00:34:39.119 --> 00:34:41.940
Is it all sort of going around the academy?

802
00:34:42.119 --> 00:34:42.840
the Promenade.

803
00:34:42.900 --> 00:34:47.579
It's essentially the atrium and so we see, we see academy, the

804
00:34:47.579 --> 00:34:53.880
academy being built and we see the cherry blossom tree growing at

805
00:34:53.880 --> 00:34:54.539
the same time.

806
00:34:54.599 --> 00:34:56.280
And so we...

807
00:34:56.280 --> 00:34:58.679
I think, you know, Nathan, sorry to interrupt you.

808
00:34:58.739 --> 00:35:03.659
I think this is going to be the Star Trek Kurtzman show that is a

809
00:35:03.659 --> 00:35:05.880
bit more obsessed with DS9 than the others, you know.

810
00:35:05.940 --> 00:35:07.380
We're on Bayshore.

811
00:35:07.380 --> 00:35:08.820
We've got a Gemadar in it.

812
00:35:08.880 --> 00:35:12.239
I hear there's going to be a DSI love letter coming up soon.

813
00:35:12.300 --> 00:35:15.960
So she's negotiating with the children about ice cream.

814
00:35:15.960 --> 00:35:20.280
And then beautiful Admiral Vance turns up and goes, well, you've

815
00:35:20.280 --> 00:35:22.800
left the Federation, but that was some top quality diplomatic

816
00:35:22.800 --> 00:35:23.159
work.

817
00:35:26.159 --> 00:35:28.260
Oh, there's a Bajoran.

818
00:35:28.320 --> 00:35:28.920
Oh, okay.

819
00:35:28.980 --> 00:35:31.260
They do have the Bajoran nosis.

820
00:35:31.320 --> 00:35:32.159
Oh, here's Von.

821
00:35:32.219 --> 00:35:33.300
He's so handsome.

822
00:35:33.360 --> 00:35:34.860
Yeah, that was some serious department.

823
00:35:34.920 --> 00:35:37.679
God, he's poured into that uniform, isn't he?

824
00:35:40.380 --> 00:35:42.900
No, look, he was beautiful.

825
00:35:42.960 --> 00:35:43.980
Oh stunning.

826
00:35:44.039 --> 00:35:44.760
Just stunning.

827
00:35:44.820 --> 00:35:46.260
So he's in the mummy.

828
00:35:46.320 --> 00:35:49.679
And there's like an instant chemistry between these two.

829
00:35:49.739 --> 00:35:52.019
And he's in episode two as well.

830
00:35:52.079 --> 00:35:52.679
He'll be back.

831
00:35:52.800 --> 00:35:54.119
Yeah, which is great.

832
00:35:54.179 --> 00:35:57.960
Well, I mean, this is what they do write in series one.

833
00:35:58.019 --> 00:35:59.760
Oh, look at her eating 2 eyes.

834
00:35:59.760 --> 00:36:01.980
She doesn't give a shit.

835
00:36:02.039 --> 00:36:04.199
Which is just wonderful. love her so much.

836
00:36:04.260 --> 00:36:05.820
She just doesn't care.

837
00:36:05.880 --> 00:36:06.300
She's great.

838
00:36:06.360 --> 00:36:09.000
If everyone else has one scope, I'll have two.

839
00:36:09.059 --> 00:36:10.739
Everyone else has two. four.

840
00:36:10.800 --> 00:36:14.099
She's an ageing hippie and she just doesn't care. think she's

841
00:36:14.099 --> 00:36:14.400
wonderful.

842
00:36:14.820 --> 00:36:18.960
Do you know how many people are, no, who've named their dogs

843
00:36:18.960 --> 00:36:19.440
Nala?

844
00:36:19.500 --> 00:36:21.780
Is there a Disney character called Nala?

845
00:36:21.840 --> 00:36:24.000
Yeah, it's the, it's Lion King.

846
00:36:24.059 --> 00:36:24.900
It's the Lion King.

847
00:36:25.019 --> 00:36:29.159
It's the it's the girl, the lioness, the young lioness in the Lion

848
00:36:29.159 --> 00:36:29.460
King.

849
00:36:29.579 --> 00:36:30.960
Good strong name, isn't it?

850
00:36:31.019 --> 00:36:31.800
Yeah.

851
00:36:31.980 --> 00:36:36.960
And this, where she says, where she, we saw the previous scene or

852
00:36:36.960 --> 00:36:41.400
2 scenes earlier where she separated the child and here she says, I

853
00:36:41.400 --> 00:36:42.539
could have got round it.

854
00:36:42.599 --> 00:36:44.280
I could have got round it.

855
00:36:44.340 --> 00:36:45.539
And that's it.

856
00:36:45.599 --> 00:36:52.019
We love her because this has preyed upon her heart for 15 years

857
00:36:52.019 --> 00:36:52.860
you know.

858
00:36:52.920 --> 00:36:57.659
I love these sort of very hippish linen clothes she's wearing as

859
00:36:57.659 --> 00:36:57.840
well.

860
00:36:57.900 --> 00:37:01.199
Man, she's the sexiest 67 year old I've ever seen.

861
00:37:01.260 --> 00:37:02.460
She wanders around.

862
00:37:02.519 --> 00:37:05.639
You'll hate this, but she does wander around Starfleet Academy in

863
00:37:05.639 --> 00:37:07.260
bare feet quite a lot.

864
00:37:07.320 --> 00:37:08.760
And they said, what's wrong with that?

865
00:37:08.820 --> 00:37:12.900
I just thought that you had a... those very clean, shiny floors.

866
00:37:12.960 --> 00:37:14.880
You do see a lot of her face.

867
00:37:15.659 --> 00:37:21.539
No, I don't mind knife feet, but generally in Star Trek, we see

868
00:37:21.539 --> 00:37:24.960
webbed toes and things like that, you know, it's very unpleasant.

869
00:37:28.019 --> 00:37:30.119
Oh, she goes, no.

870
00:37:30.179 --> 00:37:32.880
I don't want to be involved with your new federation, all right?

871
00:37:32.940 --> 00:37:36.599
I'm quite happy on Bajor teaching the kids.

872
00:37:36.659 --> 00:37:41.760
And then what gets her back is he says, I found Caleb.

873
00:37:41.820 --> 00:37:43.019
Yeah, which is wonderful.

874
00:37:43.079 --> 00:37:47.039
And so, I mean, this is a little bit like the scene where Archer

875
00:37:47.039 --> 00:37:52.199
goes to visit Hoshi on earth to try and persuade her to join his

876
00:37:52.199 --> 00:37:53.880
expedition.

877
00:37:53.940 --> 00:37:56.219
But obviously it's a bit more weight.

878
00:37:56.219 --> 00:37:57.059
It's all right.

879
00:37:57.119 --> 00:37:58.980
She gets an atrium name gone about.

880
00:37:59.039 --> 00:38:01.679
She got the nature named after her in this show.

881
00:38:01.739 --> 00:38:03.840
So someone remembers her.

882
00:38:03.900 --> 00:38:05.820
Is it called the Hoshi Sata?

883
00:38:05.940 --> 00:38:07.320
called the stratum, yeah.

884
00:38:07.440 --> 00:38:09.719
Ah, okay.

885
00:38:09.780 --> 00:38:14.159
So again, another beautiful, beautiful computer.

886
00:38:14.219 --> 00:38:17.099
Look, they've got CGI dry ice everywhere.

887
00:38:17.159 --> 00:38:18.360
That's right.

888
00:38:19.260 --> 00:38:23.159
And look at her in a sexy black...

889
00:38:23.699 --> 00:38:24.300
My god.

890
00:38:24.599 --> 00:38:27.420
This is why she means business now.

891
00:38:27.480 --> 00:38:29.400
Oh, look, he's fucking out.

892
00:38:29.460 --> 00:38:30.599
Holy crap.

893
00:38:30.659 --> 00:38:31.800
It's ridiculous.

894
00:38:31.860 --> 00:38:33.900
Look at the cephallic veins. massive.

895
00:38:34.019 --> 00:38:37.260
That's why all those Star Trek fans are crossed, you know, they're

896
00:38:37.260 --> 00:38:38.280
all overweight.

897
00:38:38.579 --> 00:38:41.519
Looking at him going, oh, whatever.

898
00:38:42.300 --> 00:38:44.460
Yeah, he's beautiful.

899
00:38:44.519 --> 00:38:45.539
Holy crap.

900
00:38:45.599 --> 00:38:49.679
And he does he does wear sleeveless things at other times in the

901
00:38:49.679 --> 00:38:50.340
rest of the show.

902
00:38:50.400 --> 00:38:51.179
They do.

903
00:38:51.239 --> 00:38:54.059
We do get to see those arms quite a bit.

904
00:38:55.199 --> 00:38:58.619
I just can't believe how cinematic this lighting is.

905
00:38:58.679 --> 00:38:59.699
It's beautiful.

906
00:38:59.760 --> 00:39:03.960
The one thing I'm disappointed by is it 16 by 9 instead of 2 by

907
00:39:03.960 --> 00:39:04.320
one.

908
00:39:04.380 --> 00:39:07.139
So it's discovery is much more wide screen than this.

909
00:39:07.260 --> 00:39:07.860
What does that mean?

910
00:39:07.920 --> 00:39:12.059
It's Discovery is more wide screen than this and so is Strangely

911
00:39:12.059 --> 00:39:12.480
Worlds.

912
00:39:12.539 --> 00:39:14.099
This is a square image.

913
00:39:14.159 --> 00:39:16.139
It's the same kind.

914
00:39:16.199 --> 00:39:17.760
I don't know, actually.

915
00:39:17.820 --> 00:39:18.239
I don't know.

916
00:39:18.300 --> 00:39:19.500
I think it's a bit of shame.

917
00:39:20.940 --> 00:39:24.659
I can't say I noticed, but then you know me, I'm not the most

918
00:39:24.659 --> 00:39:25.500
technical people.

919
00:39:25.559 --> 00:39:28.380
No, it was just I was doing screenshots, obviously, for the

920
00:39:28.380 --> 00:39:31.199
website, and it occurred to me that that was happening.

921
00:39:31.260 --> 00:39:33.239
These are a bit squarer than the other one.

922
00:39:33.300 --> 00:39:33.780
That's right.

923
00:39:33.840 --> 00:39:34.500
That's it.

924
00:39:34.800 --> 00:39:37.079
Okay, hop it, pal.

925
00:39:37.139 --> 00:39:37.739
She goes, come on.

926
00:39:38.400 --> 00:39:40.019
Turn away.

927
00:39:40.079 --> 00:39:43.559
I'll close my eyes and you get out of there. how massive he is.

928
00:39:43.619 --> 00:39:45.900
That's the other thing. so much bigger than her.

929
00:39:45.960 --> 00:39:48.599
She's 5 foot 4 or something like that.

930
00:39:48.659 --> 00:39:51.659
She's, no, wait till you see her next to the Klingon.

931
00:39:51.719 --> 00:39:52.920
He's enormous.

932
00:39:53.039 --> 00:39:54.420
He makes him look small.

933
00:39:54.539 --> 00:39:55.619
Yeah, okay.

934
00:39:55.619 --> 00:39:58.260
Behemoth.

935
00:39:58.320 --> 00:40:03.059
It's wonderful that he was a little tiny boy when she met him 15

936
00:40:03.059 --> 00:40:06.119
years ago and now she's looking up at him and we're looking down

937
00:40:06.119 --> 00:40:09.360
her over his shoulder and look at what she's saying.

938
00:40:09.420 --> 00:40:10.920
This was a catastrophic decision.

939
00:40:10.980 --> 00:40:12.119
I did a bad thing.

940
00:40:12.179 --> 00:40:14.039
I've been looking for you every day.

941
00:40:14.940 --> 00:40:18.659
And look, look, she's really vulnerable.

942
00:40:18.719 --> 00:40:22.619
She just bites her lip as if she's waiting for him to judge her.

943
00:40:22.679 --> 00:40:26.760
You know, like it's really, it's such a good performance. so much

944
00:40:26.760 --> 00:40:28.679
happening in his face there as well.

945
00:40:28.739 --> 00:40:35.039
He's angry and he's listening and he's quite touched by what she's

946
00:40:35.039 --> 00:40:35.219
saying.

947
00:40:35.280 --> 00:40:39.719
It's really something and look at her relief at that. like she's

948
00:40:39.719 --> 00:40:40.559
properly good.

949
00:40:42.420 --> 00:40:45.659
Look at them popping the smoke into it.

950
00:40:45.659 --> 00:40:47.340
There's no need for them to do it at all.

951
00:40:47.940 --> 00:40:50.340
So much atmosphere.

952
00:40:50.400 --> 00:40:51.000
Yeah.

953
00:40:51.000 --> 00:40:55.199
Well, can you just imagine one of those tedious set flat pack sets

954
00:40:55.199 --> 00:40:58.019
from 90s trek and we're in a room.

955
00:40:58.079 --> 00:41:01.619
Now you're talking. in a 10th of the size of this one.

956
00:41:04.920 --> 00:41:09.119
They're missing, you know, the old straight on camera angles of

957
00:41:09.119 --> 00:41:10.800
the Enterprise D bridge, aren't they?

958
00:41:10.860 --> 00:41:11.400
Those fans.

959
00:41:11.460 --> 00:41:12.539
This is great.

960
00:41:12.599 --> 00:41:17.460
When she he assumes that she won't remember the last word that his

961
00:41:17.460 --> 00:41:20.280
mother said to her, but of course she does.

962
00:41:20.340 --> 00:41:23.460
It's seared in her memory and it's don't trust them and she gets

963
00:41:23.460 --> 00:41:24.000
it right.

964
00:41:24.059 --> 00:41:28.559
Like, she's passing all of these tests that he's setting...

965
00:41:28.619 --> 00:41:29.519
The mystery as well.

966
00:41:29.579 --> 00:41:34.320
The big mystery is obviously the mother is out now and we don't

967
00:41:34.320 --> 00:41:35.039
know where she is.

968
00:41:35.099 --> 00:41:39.360
So I'm assuming, obviously, at some point, she's going to turn up

969
00:41:39.360 --> 00:41:42.719
and we're going to get an answer to that, but that's going to be

970
00:41:42.719 --> 00:41:44.340
an ongoing...

971
00:41:44.340 --> 00:41:47.039
A disappointing answer is my guess, but I have no idea.

972
00:41:47.099 --> 00:41:48.300
Yeah, you should.

973
00:41:48.300 --> 00:41:49.260
Actually they are.

974
00:41:49.320 --> 00:41:51.300
Usually they are.

975
00:41:51.420 --> 00:41:52.260
But never mind.

976
00:41:52.320 --> 00:41:59.940
But there's so much compassion, you know, in, like this, just this

977
00:41:59.940 --> 00:42:01.079
scene is so good.

978
00:42:01.139 --> 00:42:02.940
So good.

979
00:42:03.000 --> 00:42:07.199
But he, because he's sort of been forced into this role of

980
00:42:07.199 --> 00:42:11.099
somebody that's sort of been on the rum, life of possible crime

981
00:42:11.099 --> 00:42:13.380
and all this for the last 15 years, yeah.

982
00:42:13.440 --> 00:42:18.000
They could be that he plays the whole thing really aggressively

983
00:42:18.000 --> 00:42:19.679
and he doesn't at all.

984
00:42:19.739 --> 00:42:21.179
And I really like that.

985
00:42:21.239 --> 00:42:23.880
They is a really thoughtful performance.

986
00:42:24.000 --> 00:42:28.320
And so what we see here is her learning everyone's name, she's

987
00:42:28.320 --> 00:42:31.679
she's going through these, you know, the bios of all of the people

988
00:42:31.679 --> 00:42:34.800
that she is going to address on the bridge of the Athena.

989
00:42:34.860 --> 00:42:37.260
So she's making sure she knows who everyone is.

990
00:42:37.260 --> 00:42:42.960
So we're learning something about her leadership style as well.

991
00:42:43.320 --> 00:42:48.659
It's the 1st time we see the Gemadal lady, isn't it?

992
00:42:48.719 --> 00:42:51.900
Yeah, yeah, that's the 1st one she's looking at because of course

993
00:42:51.900 --> 00:42:54.420
she's the she's the 2 I see.

994
00:42:54.480 --> 00:42:55.199
This.

995
00:42:55.320 --> 00:42:58.320
I mean, I am as bad though, because I remember when I saw the 1st

996
00:42:58.320 --> 00:43:01.139
photograph of that character and I went, oh, really?

997
00:43:01.199 --> 00:43:04.559
That was why my 1st reaction was like, oh, they're doing some

998
00:43:04.559 --> 00:43:05.400
weird hybrid.

999
00:43:05.400 --> 00:43:07.079
Gemadar woman. what's going on?

1000
00:43:07.920 --> 00:43:12.659
I mean, it took me 2 seconds with the character in this to go, oh

1001
00:43:12.659 --> 00:43:13.440
I love you.

1002
00:43:15.000 --> 00:43:19.440
Doesn't that just look amazing, that ship?

1003
00:43:19.559 --> 00:43:23.400
It's again, it looks a bit like discovery with the ring around the

1004
00:43:23.400 --> 00:43:23.940
outside.

1005
00:43:24.000 --> 00:43:25.139
It looks like a frisbee.

1006
00:43:25.139 --> 00:43:26.760
It does look like a frisbee.

1007
00:43:26.820 --> 00:43:28.500
They all look like Frisbee's show.

1008
00:43:28.559 --> 00:43:33.840
They're all flying sauces Well, I thought I looked like a Frisbee

1009
00:43:33.840 --> 00:43:36.719
oh, look, you must be so happy, all these reflective services.

1010
00:43:36.780 --> 00:43:38.099
All these reflective surfaces.

1011
00:43:38.159 --> 00:43:39.300
Look at the computer generator.

1012
00:43:39.360 --> 00:43:41.820
There's butterflies. wonderful.

1013
00:43:41.880 --> 00:43:45.179
There's dots everywhere, there's glass conference rooms.

1014
00:43:45.239 --> 00:43:47.280
It's a beautiful, huge sand.

1015
00:43:47.400 --> 00:43:50.519
And it's not all the gleaming white that enterprise is.

1016
00:43:50.579 --> 00:43:53.699
There's lots of rich red and orange and stuff.

1017
00:43:53.820 --> 00:43:56.159
I mean, the pullback's amazing.

1018
00:43:56.219 --> 00:43:58.800
It so feels like an American mall.

1019
00:43:58.860 --> 00:44:01.019
It's so big though.

1020
00:44:01.079 --> 00:44:03.000
Look at the floor.

1021
00:44:03.059 --> 00:44:04.980
It reminds me of, there we go.

1022
00:44:05.039 --> 00:44:05.820
There's the gap.

1023
00:44:05.940 --> 00:44:06.719
I can see it on the top there.

1024
00:44:06.780 --> 00:44:07.500
Starbucks.

1025
00:44:07.679 --> 00:44:12.480
It reminds me very much of the malls, the hyper malls that I saw

1026
00:44:12.480 --> 00:44:13.739
when I was out in Columbia.

1027
00:44:13.800 --> 00:44:14.880
That's what it looks like.

1028
00:44:14.940 --> 00:44:17.519
And so here she is.

1029
00:44:17.579 --> 00:44:19.800
Uh, Lura Thock.

1030
00:44:19.860 --> 00:44:22.679
See, she's so polite to Holly Hunter.

1031
00:44:22.739 --> 00:44:26.760
And then he gives he gives a bit of grief and she's like, get on

1032
00:44:26.760 --> 00:44:27.420
your knees.

1033
00:44:29.639 --> 00:44:33.840
I think the amazing thing too is like Michael Westmore, we make

1034
00:44:33.840 --> 00:44:35.280
fun of Michael Westmore all the time.

1035
00:44:35.340 --> 00:44:37.860
There's some computer generated fish in that pond.

1036
00:44:37.980 --> 00:44:40.500
We make fun of Michael Westmore all the time, but he was

1037
00:44:40.500 --> 00:44:41.039
incredible.

1038
00:44:41.099 --> 00:44:42.000
Do you know what I mean?

1039
00:44:42.059 --> 00:44:44.820
He did an incredible job with what he could do.

1040
00:44:44.940 --> 00:44:50.460
But look at how much better, the gem Hadar makeup is now than it

1041
00:44:50.460 --> 00:44:51.960
was in the 90s.

1042
00:44:52.019 --> 00:44:55.800
I mean, for the time, it was incredible.

1043
00:44:56.159 --> 00:44:56.820
And the fact they came back.

1044
00:44:56.820 --> 00:45:00.000
Consistently overall that time.

1045
00:45:00.059 --> 00:45:03.360
Well, it's sort of because she's half Gemma doll.

1046
00:45:03.420 --> 00:45:07.260
I mean, she didn't want to look like one of the DS Night Gemma. for

1047
00:45:07.260 --> 00:45:07.679
how many seasons?

1048
00:45:07.739 --> 00:45:08.519
No, doesn't she?

1049
00:45:08.579 --> 00:45:09.480
This is going to.

1050
00:45:09.539 --> 00:45:12.239
Yeah, but all the teeth are a bit subtly on all the bones on her

1051
00:45:12.239 --> 00:45:12.539
face.

1052
00:45:12.599 --> 00:45:14.039
Jesus Christ.

1053
00:45:14.099 --> 00:45:14.880
Jesus Christ.

1054
00:45:14.880 --> 00:45:15.960
She doesn't want to look that, okay?

1055
00:45:15.960 --> 00:45:18.119
Look at are we on to reacting to this?

1056
00:45:19.380 --> 00:45:21.300
Over here now.

1057
00:45:22.679 --> 00:45:25.860
Drop your gear on this idiot's back.

1058
00:45:25.920 --> 00:45:27.420
So great.

1059
00:45:27.480 --> 00:45:28.559
Look.

1060
00:45:28.559 --> 00:45:32.760
She basically chews up and spits out every line.

1061
00:45:32.760 --> 00:45:34.260
She outfit, though.

1062
00:45:34.320 --> 00:45:36.539
Look at Jason Townfit. incredible.

1063
00:45:36.599 --> 00:45:37.800
You know what it is about him?

1064
00:45:37.860 --> 00:45:38.519
his eyes.

1065
00:45:38.579 --> 00:45:40.800
He's got incredible eyes.

1066
00:45:40.860 --> 00:45:42.000
He's so beautiful.

1067
00:45:42.059 --> 00:45:44.219
And he's softly spoken.

1068
00:45:44.340 --> 00:45:46.380
He's so shy and so gentle.

1069
00:45:46.440 --> 00:45:49.139
He's the most emo looking Klingon.

1070
00:45:49.199 --> 00:45:51.119
You could possibly find, isn't he?

1071
00:45:51.239 --> 00:45:55.260
But just the, you know, the braids, like the dreads and the, and

1072
00:45:55.260 --> 00:45:58.079
the, and the eyebrow piercing and all of that.

1073
00:45:58.139 --> 00:46:03.179
He's so beautiful I'll stand-up cadet me. she goes, honestly

1074
00:46:03.179 --> 00:46:03.960
you're useless.

1075
00:46:04.019 --> 00:46:06.360
I can't even do 10 push-ups.

1076
00:46:07.079 --> 00:46:11.820
I do like the big the tree in the background.

1077
00:46:11.880 --> 00:46:12.599
Yeah, yeah.

1078
00:46:12.659 --> 00:46:15.539
Well, that's that's beautiful. hugely important in the opening

1079
00:46:15.539 --> 00:46:16.139
credits.

1080
00:46:16.380 --> 00:46:18.659
Ah, you say, yeah, you go.

1081
00:46:18.719 --> 00:46:19.440
Zoom around.

1082
00:46:19.500 --> 00:46:22.559
We're doing a sort of beauty and the beast style camera work here

1083
00:46:22.559 --> 00:46:24.239
as we can go around this fan.

1084
00:46:24.300 --> 00:46:25.500
So good, isn't it?

1085
00:46:25.559 --> 00:46:26.219
beautiful.

1086
00:46:26.639 --> 00:46:29.940
Oh my god, it looks so like amazing.

1087
00:46:29.940 --> 00:46:31.920
I'm in New York right now.

1088
00:46:32.219 --> 00:46:35.340
Well, it's a university campus, isn't it?

1089
00:46:35.460 --> 00:46:36.480
What's this?

1090
00:46:36.539 --> 00:46:40.380
Well, there was one of those on discovery, remember?

1091
00:46:40.440 --> 00:46:44.280
I think it's a gay story this time, but Linus wasn't the character

1092
00:46:44.280 --> 00:46:45.000
Linus?

1093
00:46:45.059 --> 00:46:46.860
He goes, undeclared.

1094
00:46:50.400 --> 00:46:52.199
Oh, boy.

1095
00:46:52.260 --> 00:46:54.360
Oh, boy, has it got hot in here all of a sudden.

1096
00:46:54.480 --> 00:46:56.280
Look at him.

1097
00:46:57.480 --> 00:47:00.119
He was like, what have you done?

1098
00:47:00.179 --> 00:47:01.199
You've Americanised me.

1099
00:47:01.260 --> 00:47:04.619
But look at Kareem there too, looking just hard as anything.

1100
00:47:04.679 --> 00:47:05.340
Oh boy.

1101
00:47:05.340 --> 00:47:07.559
He's the doctor. is Robert Picardo.

1102
00:47:07.619 --> 00:47:09.420
Yes, this is what we want.

1103
00:47:09.480 --> 00:47:13.739
So the Aurelian lung maggots are from Voyager as well, I think.

1104
00:47:13.800 --> 00:47:18.659
So he mentions a really in lungmatic maggots. can't even talk.

1105
00:47:18.719 --> 00:47:19.800
Lung maggots.

1106
00:47:19.860 --> 00:47:21.420
They are from Voyager.

1107
00:47:21.480 --> 00:47:25.260
And then this line, not the bowel movements line.

1108
00:47:25.320 --> 00:47:27.059
The medical triangle line.

1109
00:47:27.179 --> 00:47:30.900
Possibly objective Robert Picardo being used in this.

1110
00:47:30.960 --> 00:47:33.719
They've cherry picked all the best voyage characters for these

1111
00:47:33.719 --> 00:47:34.079
shows.

1112
00:47:34.139 --> 00:47:37.019
7, Janeway and the doctor.

1113
00:47:37.079 --> 00:47:37.679
Of course they have.

1114
00:47:37.739 --> 00:47:39.960
I just want a bit, come on now.

1115
00:47:40.079 --> 00:47:41.639
Get the DSI and actors in.

1116
00:47:41.699 --> 00:47:42.480
What is wrong with you people?

1117
00:47:44.039 --> 00:47:45.659
All right.

1118
00:47:45.719 --> 00:47:47.099
Now, I'm sorry.

1119
00:47:47.159 --> 00:47:47.880
All right.

1120
00:47:47.940 --> 00:47:49.679
Now, you're this set.

1121
00:47:49.739 --> 00:47:51.659
I mean, it just looks like all the others to me.

1122
00:47:51.780 --> 00:47:54.239
A big brown red, shiny room.

1123
00:47:54.300 --> 00:48:01.380
It looks like a 50s diner or like, do you know what I mean?

1124
00:48:01.440 --> 00:48:05.099
Like, the, the, the, the strange new world set to me.

1125
00:48:05.159 --> 00:48:07.619
No, it doesn't look anything like the Stranger World set.

1126
00:48:07.679 --> 00:48:09.000
That's all very.

1127
00:48:09.059 --> 00:48:10.619
Well, it's got a huge.

1128
00:48:10.679 --> 00:48:12.059
It's red and it's shiny.

1129
00:48:12.119 --> 00:48:15.599
She doesn't get as big a window as Captain Pike, which I was a

1130
00:48:15.599 --> 00:48:16.739
little bit disappointed by.

1131
00:48:16.800 --> 00:48:22.679
But it and it is very 60s because that's we also remember we're

1132
00:48:22.679 --> 00:48:25.500
talking 60s, we're talking the hippie era, all of that.

1133
00:48:25.559 --> 00:48:30.119
But to me, it looks like a jukebox in an American diner from the

1134
00:48:30.119 --> 00:48:31.380
50s or 60s.

1135
00:48:31.440 --> 00:48:34.800
All that chrome, all of that red.

1136
00:48:34.860 --> 00:48:37.619
That thing in the ceiling, I think, looks stunningly beautiful.

1137
00:48:37.739 --> 00:48:40.739
And there's details at the back of the room that are very

1138
00:48:40.739 --> 00:48:41.099
different.

1139
00:48:41.159 --> 00:48:45.179
I mean, we'll presumably get to know this space a bit better, but

1140
00:48:45.179 --> 00:48:47.639
it is, I think, it's stunning looking.

1141
00:48:47.699 --> 00:48:50.280
Look, she's got a, she's got a thing to lean on.

1142
00:48:50.340 --> 00:48:51.780
I mean, it's a beautiful set.

1143
00:48:51.840 --> 00:48:56.940
It's a beautiful set, but like, if you told me this was Strange

1144
00:48:56.940 --> 00:48:59.039
New Wales in a long shot, I'd believe you.

1145
00:48:59.099 --> 00:49:00.900
Look at the, look what's behind her.

1146
00:49:00.960 --> 00:49:03.480
And look at that beautiful seat.

1147
00:49:03.539 --> 00:49:04.679
That's gorgeous.

1148
00:49:04.800 --> 00:49:08.699
She sort of raised on that sort of dais there with the transporter

1149
00:49:08.699 --> 00:49:09.539
thing above her head.

1150
00:49:09.599 --> 00:49:11.760
Well, it's not like she used to get out in a hurry.

1151
00:49:11.820 --> 00:49:14.159
No, it's not a transport. because we don't need a transporter

1152
00:49:14.159 --> 00:49:14.460
anymore.

1153
00:49:14.519 --> 00:49:17.820
Remember, we've got personal side to site transporters in 32nd

1154
00:49:17.820 --> 00:49:18.239
century.

1155
00:49:18.300 --> 00:49:20.880
They can just go and go from place to place.

1156
00:49:20.940 --> 00:49:24.360
All right, give me the, it's similar enough, though, to the

1157
00:49:24.360 --> 00:49:25.800
other...

1158
00:49:25.860 --> 00:49:26.940
If the details are different.

1159
00:49:27.000 --> 00:49:27.960
And that's what I mean.

1160
00:49:28.019 --> 00:49:30.179
Like, I just feel like a show should have an instant visual

1161
00:49:30.179 --> 00:49:30.719
identity.

1162
00:49:30.780 --> 00:49:32.280
And I wasn't getting that here.

1163
00:49:32.340 --> 00:49:35.219
Maybe I'll get that in the academy when we're there.

1164
00:49:35.280 --> 00:49:37.260
But I mean, that's the academy.

1165
00:49:37.320 --> 00:49:40.559
Like most of the academy stuff takes place on board the Athena

1166
00:49:40.559 --> 00:49:45.420
this set, the big atrium set, all that red, all of that gleaming

1167
00:49:45.420 --> 00:49:49.320
thing, like all these big screens, that's basically where we're

1168
00:49:49.320 --> 00:49:49.920
setting this.

1169
00:49:49.980 --> 00:49:52.139
Look, there's a Kelpian in the background.

1170
00:49:52.199 --> 00:49:55.500
One of Saru's people was just there behind.

1171
00:49:55.619 --> 00:49:57.119
Like, I'll make...

1172
00:49:57.239 --> 00:49:59.460
I'm doing a lot of these embarrassments, but I'll make the crowd.

1173
00:49:59.519 --> 00:50:01.980
Like when you went from TNG to DS9, right?

1174
00:50:02.039 --> 00:50:05.519
Visually, it was completely different, wasn't it?

1175
00:50:05.579 --> 00:50:07.679
And you knew immediately what show you were watching.

1176
00:50:07.739 --> 00:50:09.300
That's that's all I mean.

1177
00:50:09.360 --> 00:50:13.500
I think this, I think this does look surprisingly different to

1178
00:50:13.500 --> 00:50:14.880
discovery, for instance.

1179
00:50:15.300 --> 00:50:20.460
And, you know, that those very gleaming 32nd century, you know, the

1180
00:50:20.460 --> 00:50:22.920
place where Admiral Vans hung out and stuff.

1181
00:50:22.980 --> 00:50:27.239
This is a lot earthier and a lot more, you know, just a lot more

1182
00:50:27.239 --> 00:50:28.320
colourful, I think.

1183
00:50:29.099 --> 00:50:32.340
This, this speech is great.

1184
00:50:32.460 --> 00:50:35.039
And like again, she was looking at the wall.

1185
00:50:35.039 --> 00:50:35.880
Look at the wall.

1186
00:50:35.880 --> 00:50:36.780
Nurse Chuckle.

1187
00:50:36.780 --> 00:50:38.340
Natasha Yase is there.

1188
00:50:38.400 --> 00:50:40.920
Oh, no, Troy.

1189
00:50:40.980 --> 00:50:41.639
Did you say that?

1190
00:50:41.639 --> 00:50:43.199
Admiral Harry Kim.

1191
00:50:44.219 --> 00:50:46.920
Admiral Harry Kim, can I just say?

1192
00:50:46.980 --> 00:50:48.000
Oh, come on.

1193
00:50:48.059 --> 00:50:50.099
Muff, I must have been to lying.

1194
00:50:50.159 --> 00:50:53.639
Christopher Pike and Spark there, the Athena named for the goddess

1195
00:50:53.639 --> 00:50:54.179
of wisdom.

1196
00:50:54.239 --> 00:50:55.800
It's a beautiful looking ship.

1197
00:50:55.860 --> 00:50:57.719
They look like wings, don't they?

1198
00:50:57.780 --> 00:51:01.679
Like, they look like wings and they're unlike communicator. nicer

1199
00:51:01.679 --> 00:51:02.099
shot, yeah.

1200
00:51:02.159 --> 00:51:02.820
It's beautiful.

1201
00:51:02.940 --> 00:51:03.360
Oh, look.

1202
00:51:03.420 --> 00:51:06.300
It's all those sort of, what they call it, the space stations

1203
00:51:06.300 --> 00:51:06.659
around.

1204
00:51:06.719 --> 00:51:07.920
There's loads of them look.

1205
00:51:07.980 --> 00:51:08.579
Yeah.

1206
00:51:08.579 --> 00:51:09.300
Yeah.

1207
00:51:09.360 --> 00:51:12.420
I think back in the day, we could only afford one model.

1208
00:51:12.480 --> 00:51:14.219
Now we can fill the screen with them.

1209
00:51:14.340 --> 00:51:17.699
But I think this is a great speech and it's well delivered and

1210
00:51:17.699 --> 00:51:18.719
she's talking to him.

1211
00:51:18.840 --> 00:51:22.980
Like, we keep cutting back to his reaction because he is

1212
00:51:22.980 --> 00:51:25.800
emblematic of what all of these kids have gone through.

1213
00:51:25.860 --> 00:51:30.659
All of these kids have gone through terrible things and been

1214
00:51:30.659 --> 00:51:35.519
brought into a world that's so uncertain and so difficult and

1215
00:51:35.519 --> 00:51:38.280
she's aware of it and she's speaking to him and we're seeing him

1216
00:51:38.280 --> 00:51:38.940
react.

1217
00:51:39.000 --> 00:51:41.880
Notice the doctor's talking about. love the...

1218
00:51:42.000 --> 00:51:45.360
Did you love the the the river songline that the doctor had about

1219
00:51:45.360 --> 00:51:47.099
ageing himself?

1220
00:51:47.159 --> 00:51:48.539
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1221
00:51:48.599 --> 00:51:49.380
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1222
00:51:49.679 --> 00:51:52.199
Just to make people feel comfortable.

1223
00:51:52.260 --> 00:51:55.139
Oh, look, she's got her fate up on the trailer.

1224
00:51:55.199 --> 00:52:02.340
So someone did send a photo of Vash doing that. in Star Trek the

1225
00:52:02.340 --> 00:52:02.820
Next Generation.

1226
00:52:02.880 --> 00:52:07.260
The, the, even the line about vaccinations, how they're being

1227
00:52:07.260 --> 00:52:13.739
vaccinated is a political line now in Trump too, where we're no

1228
00:52:13.739 --> 00:52:16.619
longer mandating vaccinations and vaccinations are now a

1229
00:52:16.619 --> 00:52:19.739
controversial political issue because of dumb people.

1230
00:52:19.800 --> 00:52:23.940
And so, you know, like even that line about vaccinations is making

1231
00:52:23.940 --> 00:52:25.019
a point.

1232
00:52:25.679 --> 00:52:29.639
I mean, it's clearly the future this, you know, we've got smart

1233
00:52:29.639 --> 00:52:31.079
people on this show in charge.

1234
00:52:31.139 --> 00:52:37.980
So another important member of the cast is the digital dean of

1235
00:52:37.980 --> 00:52:40.739
students who's giving these voice over announcements.

1236
00:52:40.860 --> 00:52:42.360
Did you notice who that was?

1237
00:52:42.599 --> 00:52:44.579
No, who is it?

1238
00:52:44.639 --> 00:52:45.780
It's Stephen Colbert.

1239
00:52:46.800 --> 00:52:48.539
Oh help me out.

1240
00:52:48.599 --> 00:52:51.780
Oh, he used to, like the Stephen Colbert show, he was late night

1241
00:52:51.780 --> 00:52:55.739
talk show host in America, political though.

1242
00:52:55.800 --> 00:52:58.920
You know, he was started on Letterman, I think.

1243
00:52:59.039 --> 00:53:02.039
He's very funny and very clever.

1244
00:53:02.099 --> 00:53:03.599
I actually really like this couple.

1245
00:53:03.659 --> 00:53:05.280
So we're being introduced to 2 of the kids.

1246
00:53:05.340 --> 00:53:09.719
We've got Sam, who's the 1st holographic, or we prefer photonic

1247
00:53:09.719 --> 00:53:12.840
which I think again, is the younger generation with all their new

1248
00:53:12.840 --> 00:53:15.780
terminology that you, their new woke terminology.

1249
00:53:15.840 --> 00:53:20.340
But, of course, I'll give her a pass because she's learning how to

1250
00:53:20.340 --> 00:53:21.480
be a person, all right?

1251
00:53:21.539 --> 00:53:24.360
But I was like, what is she doing in this performance?

1252
00:53:24.420 --> 00:53:25.019
At the start.

1253
00:53:25.079 --> 00:53:26.519
She settles down.

1254
00:53:26.579 --> 00:53:30.719
And but I think that she is something that's really interesting is

1255
00:53:30.719 --> 00:53:34.739
when she goes later to talk to the doctor, he says it's not that

1256
00:53:34.739 --> 00:53:37.559
you're photonic or that you're a new life form.

1257
00:53:37.619 --> 00:53:38.760
It's that you're 17.

1258
00:53:39.000 --> 00:53:43.800
And I think that she's kind of like the neurodivergent character

1259
00:53:43.800 --> 00:53:44.639
in a way.

1260
00:53:44.699 --> 00:53:47.940
And in a sense, data is sort of that, isn't he?

1261
00:53:48.000 --> 00:53:50.579
And maybe Spock is sort of that, but this is a little bit more

1262
00:53:50.579 --> 00:53:51.480
explicitly that.

1263
00:53:52.139 --> 00:53:57.539
Oh, this was, oh, this was shitty, this bit with the school bully

1264
00:53:57.539 --> 00:54:01.019
gumming, the British school bully as well.

1265
00:54:01.019 --> 00:54:01.980
May I add?

1266
00:54:02.039 --> 00:54:04.139
I do love how they say, you know, what are you doing?

1267
00:54:04.199 --> 00:54:05.940
You're picking on the Klingon on the 1st day.

1268
00:54:06.059 --> 00:54:09.780
I actually quite like the scene because because of just...

1269
00:54:09.780 --> 00:54:10.800
He's going to kick the shit.

1270
00:54:10.860 --> 00:54:11.340
Yeah, yeah.

1271
00:54:11.340 --> 00:54:13.619
But of course, he's not.

1272
00:54:13.679 --> 00:54:14.820
We know that he's not.

1273
00:54:15.239 --> 00:54:18.119
No, he's probably going to fuck him, actually.

1274
00:54:18.119 --> 00:54:28.019
So, what I really like, this is one of the moments, I think, where

1275
00:54:28.019 --> 00:54:33.420
Caleb starts to feel like he belongs here, because he stands up to

1276
00:54:33.420 --> 00:54:36.659
this bully, and because he's kind of really rooted it, like he's

1277
00:54:36.659 --> 00:54:39.539
got that thing I'm about to be the 1st person in Starfleet to make

1278
00:54:39.539 --> 00:54:43.260
a Kyonian cry, which I thought is a pretty good line.

1279
00:54:43.559 --> 00:54:45.780
I've received from a pulse.

1280
00:54:45.900 --> 00:54:49.260
So they're reporting his clue to me.

1281
00:54:49.320 --> 00:54:51.360
Stress hormone bouncy house.

1282
00:54:54.900 --> 00:54:56.039
Do you know what?

1283
00:54:56.099 --> 00:54:58.920
What's the actor's name who plays Mia again?

1284
00:54:58.980 --> 00:55:01.260
He is called Sandro Roster.

1285
00:55:01.320 --> 00:55:04.860
Man, he couldn't look more pretty than when he was threatening him

1286
00:55:04.860 --> 00:55:05.699
there, could he?

1287
00:55:05.760 --> 00:55:07.739
I mean, some people were born blessed, were they?

1288
00:55:07.800 --> 00:55:11.579
I think Kareem is beautiful, like with those...

1289
00:55:11.579 --> 00:55:13.500
Yeah, but he's got all that bloody makeup.

1290
00:55:13.500 --> 00:55:14.280
People over his face.

1291
00:55:14.280 --> 00:55:15.179
Klingon.

1292
00:55:15.179 --> 00:55:19.739
Like they managed to give him, you know, poor old Michael spent

1293
00:55:19.739 --> 00:55:24.239
you know, 11 seasons with that fucking meatloaf on his head.

1294
00:55:24.840 --> 00:55:29.519
Whereas we found a way of doing Klingon makeup that makes him

1295
00:55:29.519 --> 00:55:31.139
still hot.

1296
00:55:31.199 --> 00:55:33.360
He just looks so hot.

1297
00:55:33.420 --> 00:55:35.579
And that I watch birds.

1298
00:55:35.639 --> 00:55:38.099
Like, and he's so vulnerable.

1299
00:55:38.159 --> 00:55:40.440
Like he's lovely.

1300
00:55:40.500 --> 00:55:41.519
That thing.

1301
00:55:41.579 --> 00:55:45.360
And like, and Caleb's a little bit embarrassed about him opening

1302
00:55:45.360 --> 00:55:46.079
up.

1303
00:55:46.079 --> 00:55:50.280
And then he says this thing in that incredible deep voice.

1304
00:55:50.400 --> 00:55:53.099
Oh, what the fuck are we going to do?

1305
00:55:53.159 --> 00:55:56.280
Are we going to do the standard Klingons that we've done for the

1306
00:55:56.280 --> 00:55:57.659
last couple of decades?

1307
00:55:57.719 --> 00:55:58.679
It's so boring.

1308
00:55:58.739 --> 00:56:00.360
Do something new with them?

1309
00:56:00.420 --> 00:56:04.619
Have a sensitive young gay Klingon who wants to be a doctor

1310
00:56:04.619 --> 00:56:07.739
because that's interesting and that's worth exploring.

1311
00:56:07.800 --> 00:56:11.039
Even the look on his face as he leaves and then the isolation.

1312
00:56:11.099 --> 00:56:14.820
Look at that shot where he's minuscule in that corridor just by

1313
00:56:14.820 --> 00:56:15.539
himself.

1314
00:56:15.599 --> 00:56:18.719
Like, like, it's so well judged.

1315
00:56:18.780 --> 00:56:21.420
I think episode two... as well.

1316
00:56:21.480 --> 00:56:21.960
Yeah.

1317
00:56:22.019 --> 00:56:30.599
All of his dialogue is specifically focussing in on non-Klingon, he

1318
00:56:30.599 --> 00:56:31.260
says a lot.

1319
00:56:31.320 --> 00:56:32.280
You don't have to apologise.

1320
00:56:32.340 --> 00:56:35.460
Yeah, he did say, you don't expect to hear.

1321
00:56:35.519 --> 00:56:37.260
Oh, a Ferengi.

1322
00:56:37.320 --> 00:56:41.460
Yeah, but he did say a warrior doesn't have to face a warrior, you

1323
00:56:41.460 --> 00:56:43.920
know, is someone who doesn't let his friends face danger alone.

1324
00:56:43.980 --> 00:56:46.679
Like in those times, here we go.

1325
00:56:46.800 --> 00:56:48.719
The Star Trek opera.

1326
00:56:49.320 --> 00:56:51.599
Murder, portrayal.

1327
00:56:51.659 --> 00:56:52.800
Come and see it.

1328
00:56:54.059 --> 00:56:57.840
I have seen a clip, you know, of him singing with somebody.

1329
00:56:57.900 --> 00:56:59.699
It was wonderful in episode two. hilarious.

1330
00:56:59.760 --> 00:57:00.480
It's terrific.

1331
00:57:00.539 --> 00:57:02.639
It's like the background music.

1332
00:57:02.699 --> 00:57:03.659
It's wonderful staff.

1333
00:57:04.079 --> 00:57:06.840
Is he in every episode, Robert Picard?

1334
00:57:06.840 --> 00:57:09.420
I don't think he's in three, but he was in two.

1335
00:57:09.480 --> 00:57:09.900
Yeah.

1336
00:57:09.960 --> 00:57:10.920
Boo.

1337
00:57:10.980 --> 00:57:13.980
I mean, he just lifts everything, doesn't he?

1338
00:57:14.039 --> 00:57:14.699
He's great.

1339
00:57:14.760 --> 00:57:17.159
I'll tell you what it is about the girl.

1340
00:57:17.219 --> 00:57:19.260
Not the hologram, the other girl.

1341
00:57:19.320 --> 00:57:19.860
What's her name?

1342
00:57:19.920 --> 00:57:20.940
A genitis.

1343
00:57:21.000 --> 00:57:27.059
It is a very subtle character and she's surrounded by big

1344
00:57:27.059 --> 00:57:27.960
characters.

1345
00:57:28.019 --> 00:57:30.599
I think maybe that's why she gets lost in the back a bit.

1346
00:57:30.659 --> 00:57:34.079
You know, what hope has she got up against that half Gemma Dark

1347
00:57:34.079 --> 00:57:34.860
Klingon woman?

1348
00:57:34.920 --> 00:57:36.840
I think she does...

1349
00:57:36.900 --> 00:57:39.960
I think she's really great when she takes control during the

1350
00:57:39.960 --> 00:57:41.340
crisis at the end.

1351
00:57:41.460 --> 00:57:43.800
I think she's really good.

1352
00:57:43.860 --> 00:57:49.860
She and the bully Darham have a great interaction in episode three

1353
00:57:49.860 --> 00:57:51.780
which I just thought was hugely impressive.

1354
00:57:51.840 --> 00:57:53.940
I think she's going to be really good.

1355
00:57:54.059 --> 00:57:55.380
I like her a lot.

1356
00:57:55.440 --> 00:57:59.099
Have you noticed how Robert Picardo's been squeezed into his

1357
00:57:59.099 --> 00:58:00.360
outfit as well?

1358
00:58:01.920 --> 00:58:02.579
Bless him.

1359
00:58:02.639 --> 00:58:03.960
He has sort of got.

1360
00:58:04.019 --> 00:58:04.739
No, don't get me wrong.

1361
00:58:04.800 --> 00:58:07.559
He's still hilarious and can deliver every line, like the best

1362
00:58:07.559 --> 00:58:08.460
joke you've ever heard.

1363
00:58:08.519 --> 00:58:13.260
But he's got this weird sort of wince on his face these days.

1364
00:58:13.320 --> 00:58:14.280
Have you noticed?

1365
00:58:14.400 --> 00:58:17.159
It's constantly looking a bit a bit perplexed.

1366
00:58:17.219 --> 00:58:18.420
He's 72.

1367
00:58:18.719 --> 00:58:20.880
Oh, go on, Bob.

1368
00:58:20.940 --> 00:58:23.699
I mean, look at all these older actors.

1369
00:58:23.699 --> 00:58:24.059
Come on.

1370
00:58:24.119 --> 00:58:24.840
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1371
00:58:24.900 --> 00:58:25.800
And why wouldn't?

1372
00:58:25.920 --> 00:58:27.000
Oh, an exacomp.

1373
00:58:27.119 --> 00:58:27.719
Yes.

1374
00:58:27.780 --> 00:58:29.639
There's an exacon.

1375
00:58:30.239 --> 00:58:32.159
What's he up to?

1376
00:58:32.219 --> 00:58:34.500
He just flew into the scene and then flew up again.

1377
00:58:34.559 --> 00:58:37.559
The XoCop will appear again in episode two.

1378
00:58:37.619 --> 00:58:41.820
So there is clearly an exocomp cadet in Starfleet Academy.

1379
00:58:41.880 --> 00:58:45.840
Did you see the enormous head of Alien in the background?

1380
00:58:45.900 --> 00:58:47.159
He would get Dow and Murph.

1381
00:58:47.219 --> 00:58:49.199
Dal and Murph and Gwyn Dala.

1382
00:58:49.380 --> 00:58:51.119
Oh, yes.

1383
00:58:51.179 --> 00:58:52.139
Yeah, yeah.

1384
00:58:52.199 --> 00:58:52.619
Come on, man.

1385
00:58:52.679 --> 00:58:55.139
Well, you mention all the best characters, you know, in your 1st

1386
00:58:55.139 --> 00:58:56.039
series, don't you?

1387
00:58:56.099 --> 00:58:58.800
I'm so glad Murph got a mention.

1388
00:58:58.860 --> 00:58:59.760
What's the best?

1389
00:59:00.059 --> 00:59:04.079
just go across the screen at some point Yeah, yeah.

1390
00:59:04.139 --> 00:59:08.340
I mean, the joy of this is, is they're doing, back in the day, in

1391
00:59:08.340 --> 00:59:11.340
the promenade, they filled it full of people in prosthetics

1392
00:59:11.340 --> 00:59:12.420
because that's all they could do.

1393
00:59:12.480 --> 00:59:17.579
Now they can fill this space with all kinds of CGI bobbins going

1394
00:59:17.579 --> 00:59:18.059
about.

1395
00:59:18.059 --> 00:59:21.119
It's wonderful. like a considerably bigger set than the

1396
00:59:21.119 --> 00:59:21.719
promenade.

1397
00:59:21.780 --> 00:59:24.719
The promenade makes great use of the space available, but that's

1398
00:59:24.719 --> 00:59:26.039
huge, that's fair.

1399
00:59:26.099 --> 00:59:28.380
Well, they kind of had to make it curve.

1400
00:59:28.440 --> 00:59:31.559
Yes, there's more around the corner. exactly right.

1401
00:59:31.619 --> 00:59:32.699
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1402
00:59:32.760 --> 00:59:35.639
Whereas now it's just the entire space.

1403
00:59:35.699 --> 00:59:37.139
Yeah.

1404
00:59:37.139 --> 00:59:40.019
Oh, every time I see that word squeal.

1405
00:59:40.559 --> 00:59:43.559
But that, her touching his hair, that's what he remembers.

1406
00:59:43.619 --> 00:59:44.760
That's what he remembers.

1407
00:59:44.940 --> 00:59:49.500
You know, Nathan, I was going to be the king of squeal, you know.

1408
00:59:52.500 --> 00:59:54.179
I love it.

1409
00:59:54.239 --> 00:59:57.659
I love it because they don't just, they do obviously pull out all

1410
00:59:57.659 --> 01:00:01.079
the really memorable parts of night.

1411
01:00:01.139 --> 01:00:05.519
Yeah, they also remember the outrageous O'Connor and syrup of

1412
01:00:05.519 --> 01:00:06.059
squeal.

1413
01:00:06.119 --> 01:00:06.480
Exactly.

1414
01:00:06.539 --> 01:00:07.619
Exactly.

1415
01:00:07.679 --> 01:00:08.460
Of course I do.

1416
01:00:08.579 --> 01:00:10.739
See, this is nice too, isn't it?

1417
01:00:10.800 --> 01:00:11.940
Like, this is us.

1418
01:00:11.940 --> 01:00:16.800
Like, obviously he's going to call her because he has been looking

1419
01:00:16.800 --> 01:00:21.539
for her for 15 years and now he's got access to a starship and but

1420
01:00:21.539 --> 01:00:22.079
we...

1421
01:00:22.079 --> 01:00:24.239
I'm going to earth and we were going to see it together.

1422
01:00:24.300 --> 01:00:26.039
Oh, I know. beautiful.

1423
01:00:26.099 --> 01:00:29.940
And again, you get to see how pretty and how vulnerable, you know

1424
01:00:29.940 --> 01:00:32.940
we saw him beating the shit out of people in his 1st scene and now

1425
01:00:32.940 --> 01:00:34.800
we see how pretty and vulnerable he is.

1426
01:00:34.860 --> 01:00:36.780
Mom, I'm afraid.

1427
01:00:36.840 --> 01:00:38.460
Like I'm afraid for you.

1428
01:00:38.519 --> 01:00:41.760
And then, see, I think she lands in this scene.

1429
01:00:41.820 --> 01:00:44.219
I think Genesis lands in this scene.

1430
01:00:44.280 --> 01:00:45.420
We will learn more about her.

1431
01:00:45.480 --> 01:00:49.980
Her father's a Starfleet admiral and she has never settled on a

1432
01:00:49.980 --> 01:00:50.460
planet.

1433
01:00:50.519 --> 01:00:52.920
She's just gone from Starbase to Starbase.

1434
01:00:53.039 --> 01:00:58.079
They called her Genesis to Linka to Star Trek 2, the Rafa car. why

1435
01:00:58.079 --> 01:00:58.920
she's called Genesis.

1436
01:00:59.280 --> 01:01:01.500
Did she get called Jen?

1437
01:01:01.559 --> 01:01:01.980
I don't know.

1438
01:01:02.039 --> 01:01:02.699
I don't think so.

1439
01:01:05.760 --> 01:01:08.820
Yeah, like there was nothing wrong with either the

1440
01:01:08.820 --> 01:01:10.559
characterisation or the performance.

1441
01:01:10.619 --> 01:01:13.079
It was just a, I don't know.

1442
01:01:13.139 --> 01:01:15.840
I mean, you know, they've got limited time to introduce quite a

1443
01:01:15.840 --> 01:01:17.219
few characters.

1444
01:01:17.280 --> 01:01:18.780
Yeah, yeah, there's time.

1445
01:01:18.840 --> 01:01:21.179
Although, we don't have the time we used to have, do we?

1446
01:01:21.239 --> 01:01:23.340
Like how many episodes is series one?

1447
01:01:23.400 --> 01:01:23.820
Ten.

1448
01:01:23.880 --> 01:01:28.079
Yeah, we just don't have the time with these people like we used

1449
01:01:28.079 --> 01:01:28.380
to.

1450
01:01:28.440 --> 01:01:30.840
They have to get to the point quick.

1451
01:01:30.900 --> 01:01:35.820
This is 75 minutes long, this episode, and episode 2 is 60

1452
01:01:35.820 --> 01:01:36.360
minutes.

1453
01:01:36.420 --> 01:01:38.280
So we do have longer episodes.

1454
01:01:38.460 --> 01:01:44.340
What's like, you know, predicting ahead, what can we hope to see

1455
01:01:44.340 --> 01:01:47.219
these characters for, maybe hopefully 50 episodes.

1456
01:01:47.280 --> 01:01:48.840
Yeah, maybe we're lucky.

1457
01:01:48.900 --> 01:01:52.559
Yeah, it's certainly been, it's already definitely doing a 2nd

1458
01:01:52.559 --> 01:01:53.159
series.

1459
01:01:53.940 --> 01:01:55.320
Okay.

1460
01:01:55.380 --> 01:01:56.219
At least 20.

1461
01:01:56.460 --> 01:01:57.179
Yeah.

1462
01:01:57.239 --> 01:01:57.719
Yeah.

1463
01:01:57.780 --> 01:01:59.340
But yes, I hope it continues.

1464
01:01:59.400 --> 01:02:02.639
I think it's, you know, despite the review bombing and stuff like

1465
01:02:02.639 --> 01:02:05.159
that and all the sort of angry fuckwits online.

1466
01:02:05.280 --> 01:02:07.199
But they know it's review, though, man.

1467
01:02:07.260 --> 01:02:07.679
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1468
01:02:07.739 --> 01:02:08.880
They know it's review bombing.

1469
01:02:08.940 --> 01:02:10.019
It did very well, apparently.

1470
01:02:10.079 --> 01:02:14.280
Well, critically, with the people that are important, the critical

1471
01:02:14.280 --> 01:02:17.400
reviews from the critiques were really positive.

1472
01:02:17.519 --> 01:02:19.199
I think the numbers have been brought.

1473
01:02:19.260 --> 01:02:19.679
I know.

1474
01:02:19.739 --> 01:02:23.099
She's got a, like, that's one thing.

1475
01:02:23.159 --> 01:02:24.300
How dare.

1476
01:02:24.360 --> 01:02:27.179
A captain, look this relaxed on the bridge.

1477
01:02:27.300 --> 01:02:28.860
Which is tiny as well.

1478
01:02:28.980 --> 01:02:30.780
She's in this massive chair.

1479
01:02:30.840 --> 01:02:35.280
She, and we hear that she's got a massive collection of books.

1480
01:02:35.280 --> 01:02:40.380
That's just about the 1st thing we learn and and Lura is impressed

1481
01:02:40.380 --> 01:02:40.800
by that.

1482
01:02:41.460 --> 01:02:43.019
Here we go.

1483
01:02:43.079 --> 01:02:45.840
Here's the shot that drove everyone mad.

1484
01:02:45.900 --> 01:02:50.099
We've got 2 larger people and an old woman and they're all women

1485
01:02:50.099 --> 01:02:53.159
and one's half Gemitar and half Klingon.

1486
01:02:53.219 --> 01:02:55.559
My god, what's happened to Star Trek is gone woke?

1487
01:02:55.619 --> 01:02:58.500
It's beyond parody, according to Elon Musk.

1488
01:02:58.559 --> 01:03:00.960
Stephen Miller. man there with a bit of scruff.

1489
01:03:01.019 --> 01:03:03.059
Oh, and the lovely black man next to him.

1490
01:03:03.119 --> 01:03:03.539
Oh, my God.

1491
01:03:03.539 --> 01:03:05.340
There's a cute, there's a cute boy too.

1492
01:03:05.400 --> 01:03:08.219
I think there's a younger man on the bridge too, who's very

1493
01:03:08.219 --> 01:03:08.460
pretty.

1494
01:03:08.519 --> 01:03:12.420
I like to think there's a directory, Nathan, of people, and Holly

1495
01:03:12.420 --> 01:03:13.500
Hunter was there going.

1496
01:03:13.559 --> 01:03:15.659
Hot, hot, hot, hot, I'll have him.

1497
01:03:15.719 --> 01:03:16.559
Right, we'll have them.

1498
01:03:16.619 --> 01:03:16.860
Yeah.

1499
01:03:18.300 --> 01:03:19.920
Jesus.

1500
01:03:19.980 --> 01:03:20.940
Look at her.

1501
01:03:21.000 --> 01:03:22.019
She's terrified.

1502
01:03:22.079 --> 01:03:23.460
She could be marching security.

1503
01:03:23.519 --> 01:03:28.139
No, she was going to give, she's um, she's too, I see.

1504
01:03:28.199 --> 01:03:31.860
Oh, did you notice it was the old-fashioned torpedo noise?

1505
01:03:32.219 --> 01:03:36.300
It reminds me, I'm getting Star Trek beyond vibes from that thing

1506
01:03:36.300 --> 01:03:37.199
too.

1507
01:03:37.260 --> 01:03:40.619
And so programmable matter is a thing that gets introduced in

1508
01:03:40.619 --> 01:03:45.179
Discovery Series 3 and here it plays an important role because

1509
01:03:45.179 --> 01:03:47.460
we're establishing that we're in the 32nd century.

1510
01:03:47.579 --> 01:03:50.760
So these are bombs of programmatic.

1511
01:03:50.820 --> 01:03:52.380
Oh, God, programmable matter.

1512
01:03:52.440 --> 01:03:54.960
We recently watched Way of the Warrior, right?

1513
01:03:55.019 --> 01:03:56.460
where we did a similar sort of a thing.

1514
01:03:56.519 --> 01:04:00.119
You remember we were following along with the torpedoes, but there

1515
01:04:00.119 --> 01:04:03.119
they had to cut to physical effects of spaceships blowing up.

1516
01:04:03.119 --> 01:04:07.980
Now we can linger whilst explosions happen.

1517
01:04:08.039 --> 01:04:08.880
But those weren't explosions.

1518
01:04:08.940 --> 01:04:12.179
Those were tendrils of programmable matter that actually end up

1519
01:04:12.179 --> 01:04:13.679
spreading over the surface.

1520
01:04:13.739 --> 01:04:14.880
The dots, I know.

1521
01:04:14.940 --> 01:04:16.380
The dogs are going up the stairs.

1522
01:04:16.440 --> 01:04:17.579
Get out of my way, cadets.

1523
01:04:17.639 --> 01:04:20.880
I think in episode two, the dungeon walks past some dots and goes

1524
01:04:20.880 --> 01:04:24.239
hey, Brian, hey, Dorothy and stuff like she's calling my name.

1525
01:04:24.300 --> 01:04:25.380
I don't even remember.

1526
01:04:25.500 --> 01:04:29.039
I think they should be like the scutters in Red Dwarf, you know, a

1527
01:04:29.039 --> 01:04:29.880
bit sassy.

1528
01:04:31.260 --> 01:04:35.340
Can there be a dot revolution or something?

1529
01:04:35.340 --> 01:04:38.880
He's a really beautiful short track called E-Frame and Dot, which

1530
01:04:38.880 --> 01:04:43.619
is about a dot, which is really adorable. terribly good.

1531
01:04:43.679 --> 01:04:44.880
Yeah, yeah very sweet.

1532
01:04:46.199 --> 01:04:48.119
Well, what's this?

1533
01:04:48.119 --> 01:04:51.900
Spaceship coming together like a jigsaw puzzle. like it's in 3

1534
01:04:51.900 --> 01:04:52.440
years.

1535
01:04:52.500 --> 01:04:54.420
It looks a bit like the Klingon symbol, doesn't it?

1536
01:04:54.480 --> 01:04:54.960
It does.

1537
01:04:55.019 --> 01:04:55.920
Did you know?

1538
01:04:55.920 --> 01:04:56.519
Yeah.

1539
01:04:56.579 --> 01:04:58.019
Or, yeah, it looks amazing.

1540
01:04:58.079 --> 01:05:00.300
I mean, again, these ships that just look like nothing.

1541
01:05:00.599 --> 01:05:04.500
Bridge people got to be a bit like the discovery bridge people.

1542
01:05:04.500 --> 01:05:08.039
They get the old line, but they're not really focussed on. maybe

1543
01:05:08.039 --> 01:05:09.420
they'll get some focus later on.

1544
01:05:09.480 --> 01:05:12.239
Yeah, I think, you know, when we go into space, we'll see them, but

1545
01:05:12.239 --> 01:05:13.380
we don't generally see them.

1546
01:05:13.559 --> 01:05:16.260
Look at these enormous tendrils.

1547
01:05:16.260 --> 01:05:17.219
And they come out of the ship.

1548
01:05:17.280 --> 01:05:18.119
Great, isn't it?

1549
01:05:18.840 --> 01:05:21.000
Oh, fucking hell.

1550
01:05:21.059 --> 01:05:22.380
Oh, this shot was amazing.

1551
01:05:22.440 --> 01:05:23.639
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1552
01:05:23.699 --> 01:05:26.219
Everybody flying into the wings. incredible.

1553
01:05:26.280 --> 01:05:28.380
It's just like my chins were ripping out.

1554
01:05:28.440 --> 01:05:32.699
It reminded me of the, you know, the Klingon, who goes flying

1555
01:05:32.699 --> 01:05:35.820
through the corridors in Star Trek 6.

1556
01:05:36.059 --> 01:05:37.679
All the explosions going out.

1557
01:05:37.739 --> 01:05:40.199
But, you know, obviously, a bunch of people here.

1558
01:05:40.260 --> 01:05:41.340
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1559
01:05:41.460 --> 01:05:43.380
Yeah, gosh.

1560
01:05:43.440 --> 01:05:44.340
Oh no.

1561
01:05:44.400 --> 01:05:46.260
Holly Hunter's hair is in disarray.

1562
01:05:46.320 --> 01:05:46.920
We were in trouble.

1563
01:05:46.980 --> 01:05:48.059
Yep, we are in trouble.

1564
01:05:48.119 --> 01:05:49.860
That guy's a bit older, isn't he?

1565
01:05:49.920 --> 01:05:52.619
That guy's that handsome scruff guy.

1566
01:05:52.679 --> 01:05:53.400
Yeah.

1567
01:05:54.000 --> 01:05:57.659
So no one's been killed, which is good because there's a lot of

1568
01:05:57.659 --> 01:05:58.440
children on board.

1569
01:05:58.500 --> 01:05:59.460
It goes.

1570
01:05:59.519 --> 01:06:00.960
What does he say?

1571
01:06:01.019 --> 01:06:03.300
He has a really catty line now.

1572
01:06:03.360 --> 01:06:05.579
If we can avoid another direct hit.

1573
01:06:05.639 --> 01:06:08.460
That would be really helpful.

1574
01:06:08.460 --> 01:06:11.340
Super helpful.

1575
01:06:11.400 --> 01:06:13.079
You bitch.

1576
01:06:13.139 --> 01:06:14.760
Well, he hasn't changed.

1577
01:06:14.820 --> 01:06:17.039
Here's your dot with the fire extinguisher.

1578
01:06:17.159 --> 01:06:19.079
Yeah, fabulous.

1579
01:06:19.139 --> 01:06:21.659
He just holds out its hands and it puts out the fire.

1580
01:06:21.719 --> 01:06:26.519
That's adorable Oh, and I did like this as well that nobody can

1581
01:06:26.519 --> 01:06:30.300
yeah, it's been such a sonic boom. nobody can actually hear

1582
01:06:30.300 --> 01:06:31.019
anything properly.

1583
01:06:31.380 --> 01:06:33.719
Yeah, it's great.

1584
01:06:33.780 --> 01:06:36.360
So this is awesome. don't have to do any dialogue.

1585
01:06:36.420 --> 01:06:38.219
We could do lots of lovely pictures for a little while.

1586
01:06:38.280 --> 01:06:40.800
But this is where the game comes together, isn't it?

1587
01:06:40.860 --> 01:06:42.659
Sparks coming down?

1588
01:06:42.719 --> 01:06:43.559
Well, yes, exactly.

1589
01:06:44.099 --> 01:06:46.019
Oh, boy.

1590
01:06:46.079 --> 01:06:47.460
Oh, no.

1591
01:06:47.519 --> 01:06:49.019
Paul, what's her name again?

1592
01:06:49.139 --> 01:06:50.280
I must get her name, right?

1593
01:06:50.340 --> 01:06:51.000
Lura.

1594
01:06:51.059 --> 01:06:52.380
Lura Thok.

1595
01:06:52.440 --> 01:06:53.099
Lura.

1596
01:06:53.099 --> 01:06:53.579
Lura.

1597
01:06:53.639 --> 01:06:54.360
Lurathork.

1598
01:06:54.420 --> 01:06:54.659
Yeah.

1599
01:06:54.659 --> 01:06:55.199
Yeah.

1600
01:06:55.260 --> 01:06:59.760
She's covered in, well, it looks like a, it looks like rocks.

1601
01:06:59.880 --> 01:07:01.380
I think this is lovely.

1602
01:07:01.440 --> 01:07:02.579
I think this is lovely.

1603
01:07:02.639 --> 01:07:06.719
That kid, the one who swallowed her companch, like in that earlier

1604
01:07:06.719 --> 01:07:10.260
scene, is now panicking, going red alert, red alert, red alert, and

1605
01:07:10.260 --> 01:07:14.940
beautiful, beautiful Caleb calms her down, like is really gentle

1606
01:07:14.940 --> 01:07:16.079
and kind with her.

1607
01:07:16.139 --> 01:07:16.679
It's great.

1608
01:07:16.739 --> 01:07:20.219
You don't have to say that. you know, that's what the noise is all

1609
01:07:20.219 --> 01:07:21.179
about. right.

1610
01:07:21.239 --> 01:07:22.260
But it's very sweet.

1611
01:07:22.320 --> 01:07:23.820
Like, he's super understanding.

1612
01:07:23.880 --> 01:07:24.659
It's really nice.

1613
01:07:24.719 --> 01:07:26.820
Oh, I'd say twitching.

1614
01:07:26.820 --> 01:07:27.719
Oh, I thought for your car.

1615
01:07:27.719 --> 01:07:30.000
Oh, no, but he's not going to do that, is he?

1616
01:07:30.420 --> 01:07:32.400
No, he's nice.

1617
01:07:32.460 --> 01:07:35.639
I'm a bitch Oh blimey.

1618
01:07:35.699 --> 01:07:38.760
Oh, oh, she's got...

1619
01:07:38.820 --> 01:07:40.559
I mean, is it a rock that's stuck in her side?

1620
01:07:40.619 --> 01:07:41.940
I would say one of those rocks. yeah.

1621
01:07:42.000 --> 01:07:42.539
Yeah.

1622
01:07:42.539 --> 01:07:45.659
They're still packing them in there in the far future.

1623
01:07:45.719 --> 01:07:46.980
They're cannon.

1624
01:07:47.039 --> 01:07:49.860
It's explained what they are in an episode of Lower Decks.

1625
01:07:49.920 --> 01:07:51.480
There's even a name for them I can't remember.

1626
01:07:51.539 --> 01:07:52.500
What did they say?

1627
01:07:52.559 --> 01:07:54.900
You know, well, we decided, if you've got to go out from an

1628
01:07:54.900 --> 01:07:57.179
exploding console, then it may as well be messy.

1629
01:07:57.239 --> 01:07:58.440
That's it.

1630
01:07:58.500 --> 01:07:59.760
It's all shards of things.

1631
01:07:59.820 --> 01:08:01.500
It's always a shard.

1632
01:08:01.500 --> 01:08:04.739
I don't know if you noticed because you can see the detail very

1633
01:08:04.739 --> 01:08:05.219
clearly.

1634
01:08:05.280 --> 01:08:09.239
There was a load of rock debris all over that corridor.

1635
01:08:09.360 --> 01:08:13.980
Oh, and look, Sam uses her photonic powers to light the thing up.

1636
01:08:14.039 --> 01:08:15.360
There she gets to contribute.

1637
01:08:15.420 --> 01:08:16.800
Beautiful.

1638
01:08:16.920 --> 01:08:18.060
Look at that.

1639
01:08:18.239 --> 01:08:22.319
And I like the fact that the strongest character here is the one

1640
01:08:22.319 --> 01:08:25.020
that is her, you know.

1641
01:08:25.079 --> 01:08:25.619
Yeah.

1642
01:08:25.680 --> 01:08:26.579
Yeah.

1643
01:08:26.640 --> 01:08:27.600
Oh, look.

1644
01:08:27.659 --> 01:08:29.460
That's so adorable.

1645
01:08:29.520 --> 01:08:31.020
His smile is beautiful.

1646
01:08:31.079 --> 01:08:33.300
Caleb smile is just adorable.

1647
01:08:33.359 --> 01:08:35.819
In the publicity photo, you know, where they're all lying on the

1648
01:08:35.819 --> 01:08:38.399
grass, the shot from above.

1649
01:08:38.460 --> 01:08:39.359
They're all lying on the grass.

1650
01:08:39.479 --> 01:08:41.220
You ever wanted to sit down with people more?

1651
01:08:41.279 --> 01:08:46.020
His smile is so broad and so beautiful that I didn't recognise him

1652
01:08:46.020 --> 01:08:46.619
at first.

1653
01:08:49.199 --> 01:08:55.560
I mean, that picture, I was like, oh, no, it looks like 90210

1654
01:08:55.560 --> 01:08:56.159
please.

1655
01:08:56.220 --> 01:08:57.180
But I love that.

1656
01:08:57.239 --> 01:08:57.960
That's fine.

1657
01:08:58.079 --> 01:09:00.960
Happy for it to be 902 I know.

1658
01:09:02.220 --> 01:09:04.619
Yeah, but I'm not 12 anymore.

1659
01:09:04.680 --> 01:09:08.159
No, but I can I still love watching kids stuff.

1660
01:09:08.220 --> 01:09:08.939
This is exciting.

1661
01:09:09.000 --> 01:09:12.239
You know, we loved prodigy, let's face it.

1662
01:09:12.479 --> 01:09:14.579
Oh, here he is.

1663
01:09:14.640 --> 01:09:15.359
Bracca.

1664
01:09:15.420 --> 01:09:15.840
Yeah.

1665
01:09:15.899 --> 01:09:17.460
So again, now we're back.

1666
01:09:17.520 --> 01:09:21.720
We don't have these that much in discovery. not any discovery in

1667
01:09:21.720 --> 01:09:25.380
Strangely Worlds. but the holograms in the future that just they

1668
01:09:25.380 --> 01:09:27.539
don't have any interference patterns at all.

1669
01:09:27.600 --> 01:09:29.399
So he's communicating with them.

1670
01:09:29.460 --> 01:09:31.560
He's still on board his ship. he hasn't beamed here.

1671
01:09:31.619 --> 01:09:34.800
This is just him speaking to them as a hologram and we just have

1672
01:09:34.800 --> 01:09:35.220
him here.

1673
01:09:35.279 --> 01:09:36.180
And I think that's great.

1674
01:09:36.239 --> 01:09:38.100
I really like that a lot.

1675
01:09:38.159 --> 01:09:40.380
And he's written with some humour.

1676
01:09:40.439 --> 01:09:43.079
You know, and he does feel dangerous.

1677
01:09:43.199 --> 01:09:46.140
I was just like, we have done this.

1678
01:09:46.199 --> 01:09:47.159
We have done this.

1679
01:09:47.220 --> 01:09:47.460
Yeah.

1680
01:09:47.520 --> 01:09:50.939
And I don't know if we should be feeling this familiar in episode

1681
01:09:50.939 --> 01:09:51.420
one.

1682
01:09:51.479 --> 01:09:55.500
But I think it I think it grounds us in a sort of recognisable

1683
01:09:55.500 --> 01:09:56.939
Star Trek thing, I think.

1684
01:09:57.000 --> 01:10:00.060
It was when everyone was just pushing buttons.

1685
01:10:00.119 --> 01:10:02.460
I'm talking 10 about...

1686
01:10:02.460 --> 01:10:05.039
It's like they're putting isolinear chips in the thing there.

1687
01:10:05.100 --> 01:10:06.600
Yeah, for sure.

1688
01:10:06.600 --> 01:10:13.260
You almost quite a nice jacket he's wearing, actually, Bracker

1689
01:10:13.260 --> 01:10:13.560
isn't he?

1690
01:10:13.619 --> 01:10:14.579
Yeah, looks nice.

1691
01:10:14.640 --> 01:10:15.359
He looks great.

1692
01:10:15.420 --> 01:10:20.939
He does look like he's got borrowed some finger rings from the

1693
01:10:20.939 --> 01:10:22.380
person from the serene squall.

1694
01:10:22.439 --> 01:10:26.460
He just caught the eye of that woman at the car and went...

1695
01:10:26.520 --> 01:10:26.880
Hello.

1696
01:10:27.779 --> 01:10:32.159
Look at RK's reaction where she's just going, oh, no, please.

1697
01:10:33.899 --> 01:10:37.319
May, will you stop looking edible, please?

1698
01:10:37.380 --> 01:10:38.579
It's very distracting.

1699
01:10:38.640 --> 01:10:40.439
No, it's incredible, isn't it?

1700
01:10:40.500 --> 01:10:41.159
Do you know what?

1701
01:10:41.220 --> 01:10:42.479
The poor British kid.

1702
01:10:42.539 --> 01:10:43.800
He hasn't got a hope, is he?

1703
01:10:43.859 --> 01:10:45.899
so dull in comparison.

1704
01:10:45.960 --> 01:10:49.380
We do see him shirtless in episode 3 and he's fine.

1705
01:10:49.800 --> 01:10:52.500
He's going to need to be showing us.

1706
01:10:52.560 --> 01:10:54.779
He's got a quiet plain face if I want.

1707
01:10:54.840 --> 01:10:57.239
We've got a bit of a round face and so he gives you the impression

1708
01:10:57.239 --> 01:10:58.619
that he's...

1709
01:10:58.619 --> 01:11:00.420
We don't get a lot of sun, see?

1710
01:11:00.479 --> 01:11:03.420
So, like, that's why we're all so pale.

1711
01:11:06.479 --> 01:11:07.680
Oh I did love this.

1712
01:11:07.739 --> 01:11:10.199
Now, in the middle of all of this sort of Star Trek, I appreciate

1713
01:11:10.199 --> 01:11:12.840
the decades, but then she puts a stop to it.

1714
01:11:13.500 --> 01:11:19.920
No, no, no, not that, but no, I loved Oh, for God's sakes, rock.

1715
01:11:19.979 --> 01:11:20.640
What's the name?

1716
01:11:20.699 --> 01:11:23.039
No, that's...

1717
01:11:23.100 --> 01:11:23.579
Fuck.

1718
01:11:23.640 --> 01:11:24.479
Thank you.

1719
01:11:24.539 --> 01:11:25.199
I will get there.

1720
01:11:25.260 --> 01:11:25.800
I promise.

1721
01:11:25.859 --> 01:11:27.600
I've been praying for a couple of episodes.

1722
01:11:27.659 --> 01:11:29.340
When fuck...

1723
01:11:29.399 --> 01:11:30.779
Thank you.

1724
01:11:30.840 --> 01:11:36.000
One of us done the homework, when she talks to the Klingon and

1725
01:11:36.000 --> 01:11:38.579
basically says you're going to have to do this and you're going to

1726
01:11:38.579 --> 01:11:42.119
have to be brave, that I thought was a great character to be.

1727
01:11:42.180 --> 01:11:45.000
And I'm hoping they have a nice relationship.

1728
01:11:45.060 --> 01:11:45.960
I hope so too.

1729
01:11:46.020 --> 01:11:51.239
We also get the, you know, I'm buying my life back, you know, I'm

1730
01:11:51.239 --> 01:11:53.699
dead now. and I'm buying my life back.

1731
01:11:53.760 --> 01:11:56.699
The very thing that the gem had our say in Deep Space 9 before

1732
01:11:56.699 --> 01:11:57.779
going into battle.

1733
01:11:57.840 --> 01:12:00.239
Remember, we are dead.

1734
01:12:00.300 --> 01:12:02.939
We go into battle now to win our lives back.

1735
01:12:03.000 --> 01:12:04.380
We saw it.

1736
01:12:04.500 --> 01:12:07.380
And she quotes that line.

1737
01:12:08.460 --> 01:12:10.619
You know, don't you know?

1738
01:12:10.619 --> 01:12:12.600
Oh, no, there is a couple of aliens.

1739
01:12:12.659 --> 01:12:15.779
I thought it was very sort of human centric bridge crew, actually.

1740
01:12:15.840 --> 01:12:16.859
Now we've panned around a bit.

1741
01:12:16.920 --> 01:12:19.920
Someone with an enormous head is in the background there.

1742
01:12:20.039 --> 01:12:20.579
Somebody green.

1743
01:12:20.640 --> 01:12:21.840
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1744
01:12:21.899 --> 01:12:27.659
So, and so we did get, so Atley is that red woman with the kind of

1745
01:12:27.659 --> 01:12:31.439
weird face and hail is the big head person.

1746
01:12:32.760 --> 01:12:34.800
Dicking around.

1747
01:12:34.859 --> 01:12:39.600
There's loads of very soft swearing. shit quite a lot, actually.

1748
01:12:39.659 --> 01:12:41.399
Yeah, that's still...

1749
01:12:41.399 --> 01:12:42.899
It's not fucked, though, is it?

1750
01:12:43.020 --> 01:12:44.039
Which we've got in Picard.

1751
01:12:44.100 --> 01:12:47.880
And in discovery as well before they apologised for it.

1752
01:12:48.239 --> 01:12:50.939
He literally got a right down.

1753
01:12:51.000 --> 01:12:53.880
She was lying down in her chair there, but she blew on the

1754
01:12:53.880 --> 01:12:56.159
hologram and it disappeared, which I thought was pretty great.

1755
01:12:56.220 --> 01:12:57.119
She's great.

1756
01:12:57.180 --> 01:13:01.800
I love it when an older woman stands up to a man being pregnant.

1757
01:13:01.859 --> 01:13:03.239
She was not giving him an inch.

1758
01:13:03.300 --> 01:13:04.979
Yeah, she wasn't intimidated at all.

1759
01:13:05.039 --> 01:13:09.300
She's fabulous. 500 years old.

1760
01:13:09.359 --> 01:13:10.380
You can scare me.

1761
01:13:10.439 --> 01:13:11.640
Yeah, exactly.

1762
01:13:11.699 --> 01:13:13.199
That's what it's wonderful about her.

1763
01:13:13.260 --> 01:13:16.020
And that's why she has to be played with a woman.

1764
01:13:16.079 --> 01:13:19.319
Look at after a load of Muppets, and you think you can scare me.

1765
01:13:19.380 --> 01:13:20.340
Come on.

1766
01:13:21.359 --> 01:13:23.880
Oh, look, look at that.

1767
01:13:23.880 --> 01:13:25.680
Is that an Andorian with a red wig?

1768
01:13:25.739 --> 01:13:26.520
Oh, I don't know.

1769
01:13:26.579 --> 01:13:27.600
You see it, where they're from?

1770
01:13:27.659 --> 01:13:31.560
I know a Orion, right?

1771
01:13:31.619 --> 01:13:33.000
And a riot.

1772
01:13:33.060 --> 01:13:33.539
Sorry, yeah.

1773
01:13:33.600 --> 01:13:34.920
Oh, God, how racist.

1774
01:13:34.979 --> 01:13:40.500
I'm wondering whether the Orion makeup is being done is sometimes

1775
01:13:40.500 --> 01:13:41.460
being done in post.

1776
01:13:41.520 --> 01:13:47.100
I reckon there's a little Orion kid in that scene on Bajor where

1777
01:13:47.100 --> 01:13:51.420
having the fight with about the ice cream and I'm pretty sure that

1778
01:13:51.420 --> 01:13:53.039
they're not going to make a kid up green.

1779
01:13:53.100 --> 01:13:56.699
They'll just turn them green in post, which can be done.

1780
01:13:56.760 --> 01:13:59.340
It's probably far cheaper or cheaper.

1781
01:13:59.399 --> 01:14:01.619
Takes far less time as well.

1782
01:14:01.680 --> 01:14:03.359
A flick of a switch.

1783
01:14:03.420 --> 01:14:04.920
Oh boy, man.

1784
01:14:04.979 --> 01:14:08.100
Look, now she's back hugging her knees in the chair again.

1785
01:14:08.159 --> 01:14:11.279
I mean, all those people, they're fanning themselves right now

1786
01:14:11.279 --> 01:14:12.720
going, oh, my God.

1787
01:14:12.779 --> 01:14:15.600
Respect the chair, respect the chair.

1788
01:14:15.659 --> 01:14:18.720
I really love how she says you get 5 seconds.

1789
01:14:18.779 --> 01:14:20.159
You know, it's worth listening to.

1790
01:14:20.220 --> 01:14:24.720
Like, she doesn't, there's like her, just she listens to the kid.

1791
01:14:24.779 --> 01:14:25.979
Do you know what I mean?

1792
01:14:26.039 --> 01:14:26.579
and is prepared.

1793
01:14:26.640 --> 01:14:27.960
Like, I just think she's really terrific.

1794
01:14:28.020 --> 01:14:28.619
Oh, here we go.

1795
01:14:28.680 --> 01:14:29.100
On three.

1796
01:14:29.159 --> 01:14:30.180
Give me something to buy.

1797
01:14:30.239 --> 01:14:32.880
She's buying a bloody fan.

1798
01:14:34.739 --> 01:14:36.840
All the blood.

1799
01:14:37.739 --> 01:14:40.439
Oh, that's a lot of blood, actually.

1800
01:14:40.500 --> 01:14:42.239
Spitting out.

1801
01:14:42.300 --> 01:14:43.800
And it's why?

1802
01:14:43.920 --> 01:14:49.140
Yeah, Blue, she said, in when the actor said, in interview.

1803
01:14:49.500 --> 01:14:51.539
Oh, so funny.

1804
01:14:51.600 --> 01:14:54.180
Like, I think they're colouring her gums as well.

1805
01:14:54.239 --> 01:14:54.960
They're blue.

1806
01:14:55.020 --> 01:14:56.520
Like, how are her gums blue?

1807
01:14:56.579 --> 01:14:59.340
You know, like, I think they're colouring them in post as well.

1808
01:14:59.640 --> 01:15:04.380
I can only imagine, right, when that actress 1st saw, but this is

1809
01:15:04.380 --> 01:15:05.279
what you're going to look like.

1810
01:15:05.460 --> 01:15:08.460
I think she would have thought that's fucking awesome.

1811
01:15:08.520 --> 01:15:10.859
Yeah, she probably did.

1812
01:15:10.920 --> 01:15:12.539
That's it.

1813
01:15:12.600 --> 01:15:15.119
It's a lot Pritchard and I thought what was going to be.

1814
01:15:15.119 --> 01:15:18.840
It's also like, she's probably going.

1815
01:15:18.899 --> 01:15:21.359
She's probably going, well, why does Bella just have to put

1816
01:15:21.359 --> 01:15:22.560
eyebrows on?

1817
01:15:22.619 --> 01:15:25.020
And I have to wear this giant thing on.

1818
01:15:25.739 --> 01:15:30.539
It's not that time they made column dress up as a Klingon.

1819
01:15:30.600 --> 01:15:33.300
It's like, Michael, how do you go through this every week?

1820
01:15:33.899 --> 01:15:36.960
He apparently bitched and wins so much.

1821
01:15:37.020 --> 01:15:39.119
They were like, oh, get him out of it quick.

1822
01:15:42.180 --> 01:15:45.060
Oh, I mean, beautiful mealer. easy.

1823
01:15:45.119 --> 01:15:46.979
All he's got to do is put on a bit of foundation.

1824
01:15:47.039 --> 01:15:48.479
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1825
01:15:49.800 --> 01:15:53.939
And this, all of these, like all of these security measures and

1826
01:15:53.939 --> 01:15:56.699
stuff, you know, that they're being they're in a situation where

1827
01:15:56.699 --> 01:15:57.720
they're not equipped.

1828
01:15:57.779 --> 01:16:01.079
They can't use the suits, you know, because and they can't, you

1829
01:16:01.079 --> 01:16:03.300
know, use the transporters and all of this sort of stuff.

1830
01:16:03.420 --> 01:16:06.960
Um, and they're having to overcome that because there's all these

1831
01:16:06.960 --> 01:16:09.720
safety protocols because it's a university.

1832
01:16:09.779 --> 01:16:11.100
You know, they're in a class.

1833
01:16:11.579 --> 01:16:14.279
I said, I'm a colonian bitch.

1834
01:16:14.340 --> 01:16:15.899
I said, I was like, okay, okay.

1835
01:16:15.960 --> 01:16:16.500
Please.

1836
01:16:16.979 --> 01:16:20.340
But later on, mate, that line comes back.

1837
01:16:20.399 --> 01:16:26.699
And she, I think Bella, I think I'm Genesis says to him, you're a

1838
01:16:26.699 --> 01:16:29.159
Kyonian bitch as well, which I think is pretty great.

1839
01:16:29.220 --> 01:16:30.779
You know what the trouble is, right?

1840
01:16:30.840 --> 01:16:35.579
I think now there are enough Star Trek shows. all of those shows

1841
01:16:35.579 --> 01:16:38.039
are trying to cater for different audiences now, right?

1842
01:16:38.100 --> 01:16:42.119
Prodigy, lower decks, Discovery, Picard.

1843
01:16:42.180 --> 01:16:48.180
This is, it's going for sort of late, maybe late teens.

1844
01:16:48.239 --> 01:16:49.439
Audience?

1845
01:16:49.500 --> 01:16:52.560
Yeah, but I think it's going for an adult audience. don't

1846
01:16:52.560 --> 01:16:57.659
understand. don't you I could see why somebody might feel a bit

1847
01:16:57.659 --> 01:16:58.619
aged out of this.

1848
01:16:58.680 --> 01:16:59.640
Yeah, yeah.

1849
01:16:59.880 --> 01:17:04.140
But like, that's my point is you don't have to watch all of it.

1850
01:17:04.260 --> 01:17:05.100
All right?

1851
01:17:05.159 --> 01:17:08.399
Maybe this just isn't for you, but that doesn't mean it's bad.

1852
01:17:08.460 --> 01:17:10.260
It just means it ain't for you.

1853
01:17:10.319 --> 01:17:15.600
I love this where she, he tells her to turn around and she just

1854
01:17:15.600 --> 01:17:17.340
assumes he's being a dickhead.

1855
01:17:17.399 --> 01:17:18.779
Do you know what I mean?

1856
01:17:18.840 --> 01:17:21.659
And then she, like, and that, she says, I like it, and there's a

1857
01:17:21.659 --> 01:17:24.180
smile and there's a genuine little moment of connection there.

1858
01:17:24.239 --> 01:17:27.539
And their relationship isn't perfect from here on in.

1859
01:17:27.600 --> 01:17:30.239
They have a big fight in episode three.

1860
01:17:30.359 --> 01:17:33.239
But I liked that little moment of connection.

1861
01:17:33.300 --> 01:17:34.680
No, what we looks like.

1862
01:17:34.739 --> 01:17:37.319
Dressed up in all that gray makeup.

1863
01:17:37.380 --> 01:17:40.319
This has got to be the niche reference I ever given on time.

1864
01:17:40.380 --> 01:17:44.159
He looks like Caris, the 8th doctor companion.

1865
01:17:44.220 --> 01:17:45.899
The chameleon lizard.

1866
01:17:45.960 --> 01:17:47.880
You go and look at those big finished covers.

1867
01:17:47.939 --> 01:17:50.640
He's the spit of Comrade Westbass in that makeup.

1868
01:17:50.699 --> 01:17:53.340
I think just the black.

1869
01:17:53.399 --> 01:17:57.300
The black whites of his eyes look incredibly striking.

1870
01:17:57.779 --> 01:18:02.159
I can't see a discernable difference between this and Minefield

1871
01:18:02.159 --> 01:18:04.739
you know, when Scott Backyard...

1872
01:18:04.800 --> 01:18:07.140
Anthony Montgomery walking over the ceiling.

1873
01:18:07.199 --> 01:18:07.979
Astounding.

1874
01:18:08.039 --> 01:18:10.979
And look at these shiny, shiny surfaces.

1875
01:18:11.039 --> 01:18:12.779
So many reflective surfaces.

1876
01:18:12.840 --> 01:18:17.399
You have got such a weird kink for shiny surfaces. because they

1877
01:18:17.399 --> 01:18:20.760
look expensive. fill your house full of mirrors.

1878
01:18:20.880 --> 01:18:22.739
They look expensive.

1879
01:18:22.800 --> 01:18:24.119
That's why I like them.

1880
01:18:24.180 --> 01:18:28.319
That's why they didn't have them in the 90s Holly Hunters leaning

1881
01:18:28.319 --> 01:18:30.300
into the con man with the scruff.

1882
01:18:30.840 --> 01:18:32.399
Show me.

1883
01:18:32.460 --> 01:18:33.720
What's on that console there?

1884
01:18:33.779 --> 01:18:34.739
You free tonight?

1885
01:18:38.760 --> 01:18:41.159
Oh, there, there we go.

1886
01:18:41.220 --> 01:18:42.420
Look, everyone's pushing buttons.

1887
01:18:42.479 --> 01:18:44.939
Yeah, yeah, we're doing our space now.

1888
01:18:45.060 --> 01:18:49.260
No, she's helping because she's got her skills, you know, she's a

1889
01:18:49.260 --> 01:18:51.359
science nerd, all of that stuff's really great.

1890
01:18:51.420 --> 01:18:53.579
He's very familiar.

1891
01:18:53.699 --> 01:18:54.659
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1892
01:18:54.720 --> 01:18:57.359
But what it is, it's cadets doing it.

1893
01:18:57.420 --> 01:19:01.560
You know, we haven't really seen that before, but it is solving a

1894
01:19:01.560 --> 01:19:02.100
space problem.

1895
01:19:02.159 --> 01:19:06.000
Valiant approach, you know, where they die at the end.

1896
01:19:06.060 --> 01:19:07.800
I knew you would bring up the Valley.

1897
01:19:07.859 --> 01:19:09.420
I knew you would bring out the valley.

1898
01:19:09.479 --> 01:19:11.460
Oh boy, I love it.

1899
01:19:11.640 --> 01:19:13.560
What's going on here?

1900
01:19:13.619 --> 01:19:17.760
Oh, he's still walking on the hole, yeah, but he's like, come on

1901
01:19:17.760 --> 01:19:18.659
Caris, what's his name?

1902
01:19:18.720 --> 01:19:20.100
His name is Darham.

1903
01:19:20.220 --> 01:19:21.840
Darham.

1904
01:19:21.840 --> 01:19:22.020
Okay.

1905
01:19:22.560 --> 01:19:24.359
Yeah, which is not too much of a space name, right?

1906
01:19:24.420 --> 01:19:25.979
Darren Raymond.

1907
01:19:26.039 --> 01:19:26.520
What, Darren?

1908
01:19:26.579 --> 01:19:27.060
Darham.

1909
01:19:27.119 --> 01:19:27.779
Darum.

1910
01:19:27.840 --> 01:19:29.520
D-A-R-E-M. Oh, okay.

1911
01:19:29.579 --> 01:19:29.760
Yeah.

1912
01:19:29.760 --> 01:19:30.359
Yeah.

1913
01:19:30.420 --> 01:19:32.340
Has it got an apostrophe in it?

1914
01:19:32.399 --> 01:19:32.699
No.

1915
01:19:32.699 --> 01:19:34.380
No, no one has an apostrophe.

1916
01:19:34.500 --> 01:19:38.399
Oh, where we... and Joseph St Benga.

1917
01:19:38.460 --> 01:19:42.779
We've got 2 apostrophes among the main cast of Strangely Wrong.

1918
01:19:42.840 --> 01:19:43.739
Well, they could have done.

1919
01:19:43.800 --> 01:19:46.079
They could have put a Beaumar in the main crew.

1920
01:19:49.140 --> 01:19:52.920
His coat hanger would come in very handy at particular moments.

1921
01:19:53.159 --> 01:19:58.020
I love that where she goes, isn't anyone listening to me?

1922
01:19:58.079 --> 01:20:01.500
This is an emergency, and he comes in and says, please state the

1923
01:20:01.500 --> 01:20:03.000
nature of the medical emergency.

1924
01:20:03.060 --> 01:20:05.399
She goes, I'm trying to save someone's life.

1925
01:20:05.460 --> 01:20:07.500
He goes, yeah, you should have started with that, right?

1926
01:20:07.560 --> 01:20:08.520
That's right.

1927
01:20:08.579 --> 01:20:10.439
But, like, and they're helping.

1928
01:20:10.500 --> 01:20:11.220
Like, I love it.

1929
01:20:11.279 --> 01:20:14.039
The kids are, you know, this is how it works.

1930
01:20:14.100 --> 01:20:17.699
The kids are solving the space problem with the help of the adults

1931
01:20:17.699 --> 01:20:19.800
you know, it's great.

1932
01:20:19.859 --> 01:20:20.939
It's just so well charged.

1933
01:20:21.000 --> 01:20:25.979
I just, you know, I can't highlight Robert Picardo's timing enough

1934
01:20:25.979 --> 01:20:26.220
though.

1935
01:20:26.279 --> 01:20:27.180
He's so good.

1936
01:20:27.239 --> 01:20:29.939
He's the master at delivering a line.

1937
01:20:30.000 --> 01:20:31.500
This is great too.

1938
01:20:31.560 --> 01:20:33.239
He's too frozen to read it.

1939
01:20:33.420 --> 01:20:36.840
Get the telephone number out. focus on it.

1940
01:20:37.079 --> 01:20:41.220
Pull your shit together, Darham. your cayoning bitch. you know

1941
01:20:41.220 --> 01:20:41.399
what?

1942
01:20:41.399 --> 01:20:43.199
that was Caleb's, is it?

1943
01:20:43.560 --> 01:20:46.619
You remember I was making comparisons with the Sarah Jane

1944
01:20:46.619 --> 01:20:47.399
adventures earlier.

1945
01:20:47.460 --> 01:20:51.000
The end of the 1st episode of that as Luke Smith reeling out a

1946
01:20:51.000 --> 01:20:52.380
load of numbers, which saves the day.

1947
01:20:52.439 --> 01:20:53.460
Yeah.

1948
01:20:53.460 --> 01:20:54.239
Yes.

1949
01:20:54.239 --> 01:20:56.760
They've been paying attention to Russell T. Davis, you know.

1950
01:20:57.060 --> 01:21:00.600
He's been going after a Star Trek crossover, isn't he?

1951
01:21:00.659 --> 01:21:01.920
been chable with Goldberg.

1952
01:21:01.979 --> 01:21:02.520
Yep.

1953
01:21:05.579 --> 01:21:06.479
Ah, look.

1954
01:21:06.539 --> 01:21:08.699
Oh, and that I say as well.

1955
01:21:08.760 --> 01:21:13.500
Thank you so much because whilst the camera does tend to sort of

1956
01:21:13.500 --> 01:21:15.000
slide across the sets.

1957
01:21:17.100 --> 01:21:18.539
We stopped droning everything.

1958
01:21:18.600 --> 01:21:20.760
The discovery drones are out.

1959
01:21:20.819 --> 01:21:22.140
We're doing lovely.

1960
01:21:22.260 --> 01:21:23.399
Look, I mean, look at it.

1961
01:21:23.460 --> 01:21:24.060
The camera work.

1962
01:21:24.119 --> 01:21:25.199
It's so fluid, but...

1963
01:21:25.199 --> 01:21:25.979
That's beautiful.

1964
01:21:25.979 --> 01:21:27.119
Less frenetic.

1965
01:21:27.239 --> 01:21:31.800
Because the set is so fucking big, you can sell her running a long

1966
01:21:31.800 --> 01:21:32.640
distance.

1967
01:21:32.699 --> 01:21:33.840
Do you know what I mean?

1968
01:21:33.899 --> 01:21:37.319
Like through the ship because we've got this massive set. just

1969
01:21:37.319 --> 01:21:38.760
running down fucking corridors.

1970
01:21:38.819 --> 01:21:42.300
It's like it's interesting looking, you know, backgrounds against

1971
01:21:42.300 --> 01:21:44.220
which Bella can go for a while.

1972
01:21:44.279 --> 01:21:45.239
You know what I'm saying?

1973
01:21:45.300 --> 01:21:49.140
I don't need anti-sickness tablets towards this one. which is very

1974
01:21:49.140 --> 01:21:49.739
refreshing.

1975
01:21:49.859 --> 01:21:52.800
I mean, that camera is stationary.

1976
01:21:52.859 --> 01:21:54.000
It's stationary.

1977
01:21:54.060 --> 01:21:55.319
No, it's not.

1978
01:21:55.319 --> 01:21:56.460
It's all moving slightly.

1979
01:21:56.520 --> 01:21:58.079
None of the cameras are stationary.

1980
01:21:58.140 --> 01:22:01.560
Well, I'll take slightly over for titianous.

1981
01:22:01.619 --> 01:22:06.420
I think you're just acclimating. think you're getting used to it.

1982
01:22:06.479 --> 01:22:07.319
I'm just old.

1983
01:22:07.380 --> 01:22:16.800
I'm just old If I'm going to blew to death, I require significant

1984
01:22:16.800 --> 01:22:18.359
in my final moments.

1985
01:22:18.420 --> 01:22:19.439
It's so great.

1986
01:22:19.500 --> 01:22:21.539
She's so good.

1987
01:22:22.619 --> 01:22:25.979
Don't ever stop being a bitch, fuck.

1988
01:22:26.039 --> 01:22:28.560
Her reaction was she goes, I hear you.

1989
01:22:28.979 --> 01:22:31.260
She's so crazy.

1990
01:22:31.260 --> 01:22:32.939
I said, fuck.

1991
01:22:33.000 --> 01:22:33.659
Did I get it wrong?

1992
01:22:33.720 --> 01:22:34.319
Yep, you did.

1993
01:22:34.380 --> 01:22:35.039
You did.

1994
01:22:35.159 --> 01:22:35.939
Oh, finally.

1995
01:22:36.000 --> 01:22:36.779
There we go.

1996
01:22:38.220 --> 01:22:39.180
Oh no.

1997
01:22:39.239 --> 01:22:42.720
The English boy.

1998
01:22:42.779 --> 01:22:46.020
No, no, no. being caught by a tractor beam. and then he's going to

1999
01:22:46.020 --> 01:22:46.619
beam back.

2000
01:22:46.680 --> 01:22:47.399
Here's the fire.

2001
01:22:47.460 --> 01:22:50.579
Maybe somebody should have died in this 1st one, maybe. don't

2002
01:22:50.579 --> 01:22:51.479
think you want that.

2003
01:22:51.539 --> 01:22:53.100
That's a buffy. kind of.

2004
01:22:53.159 --> 01:22:54.060
Do you know what I mean?

2005
01:22:54.119 --> 01:22:55.619
Like, that's not what we're going for.

2006
01:22:55.680 --> 01:22:57.239
Buffy's great, isn't it?

2007
01:22:57.300 --> 01:22:58.260
Buffy is great.

2008
01:22:58.319 --> 01:23:00.779
But, yeah, like that's beautiful.

2009
01:23:00.840 --> 01:23:01.439
No, we need them.

2010
01:23:01.560 --> 01:23:04.500
Oh, no, I suppose the ending there where we're hearing the song

2011
01:23:04.500 --> 01:23:07.500
and they're all gazing longingly at San Francisco.

2012
01:23:07.560 --> 01:23:10.079
It wouldn't be quite the same if one of them was missing.

2013
01:23:10.140 --> 01:23:11.100
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

2014
01:23:11.159 --> 01:23:11.819
No we don't want that.

2015
01:23:11.880 --> 01:23:14.819
This is gentle, low steak Star Trek.

2016
01:23:14.880 --> 01:23:16.979
She is in pain there.

2017
01:23:17.039 --> 01:23:18.000
Yeah, yeah.

2018
01:23:18.000 --> 01:23:23.760
Ooh, he's autorizing the wound with a scalpel. reaction is really

2019
01:23:23.760 --> 01:23:24.000
great.

2020
01:23:27.119 --> 01:23:28.439
Connect Master, are you alive?

2021
01:23:31.319 --> 01:23:34.619
He's so sweet, that boy.

2022
01:23:34.739 --> 01:23:37.680
I mean, I think she gets up pretty quickly.

2023
01:23:37.739 --> 01:23:40.560
Yeah, yeah, that's what she gave him the pain she was in.

2024
01:23:41.159 --> 01:23:44.279
It really gets the blood pumping, doesn't it?

2025
01:23:44.340 --> 01:23:47.159
Look at look at his beautiful smile.

2026
01:23:47.279 --> 01:23:49.140
Again, Jade and beautiful smile.

2027
01:23:49.199 --> 01:23:50.520
I'm like, she...

2028
01:23:50.640 --> 01:23:51.960
She punched him across the room.

2029
01:23:52.439 --> 01:23:55.680
But it was an encouraging good on you, son, punch, and it sends

2030
01:23:55.680 --> 01:23:56.279
him across the room.

2031
01:23:56.399 --> 01:23:58.199
Oh, she's great.

2032
01:23:58.260 --> 01:23:59.460
Tell me she's in every episode.

2033
01:23:59.520 --> 01:24:00.840
Yes, she's in every episode.

2034
01:24:00.899 --> 01:24:01.859
Oh, she's 5 minutes.

2035
01:24:01.920 --> 01:24:02.579
I massively important.

2036
01:24:05.640 --> 01:24:07.739
And so this is what's that?

2037
01:24:07.800 --> 01:24:08.520
What's that?

2038
01:24:08.579 --> 01:24:12.960
That were alien on the right, so I don't know what he was.

2039
01:24:13.020 --> 01:24:15.359
Oh, yeah, that's that's um, what's his face?

2040
01:24:15.420 --> 01:24:15.960
Hail.

2041
01:24:16.020 --> 01:24:16.859
He's got a name.

2042
01:24:16.979 --> 01:24:18.539
She knew his name.

2043
01:24:18.600 --> 01:24:19.739
She was reading his file earlier.

2044
01:24:19.859 --> 01:24:21.239
And that pretty young...

2045
01:24:21.239 --> 01:24:22.680
Rakha, you are beaten, mate.

2046
01:24:22.739 --> 01:24:23.460
Get out of here.

2047
01:24:23.520 --> 01:24:28.079
Yeah, but they beat him through the power of the classroom because

2048
01:24:28.079 --> 01:24:33.000
this is just a training simulation that they use to try and look

2049
01:24:33.000 --> 01:24:37.439
it in. embarrassing for him to be defeated by a load of moppets.

2050
01:24:37.500 --> 01:24:38.100
Oh, yeah.

2051
01:24:38.159 --> 01:24:39.779
Well, no, the people.

2052
01:24:39.840 --> 01:24:40.619
Yeah, well, that's right.

2053
01:24:40.680 --> 01:24:41.100
That's right.

2054
01:24:41.159 --> 01:24:45.000
Although he does, I'm glad that we get him.

2055
01:24:45.060 --> 01:24:48.060
He gets the chance to confront Caleb, which is pretty great.

2056
01:24:48.119 --> 01:24:50.159
Hi, little fish.

2057
01:24:50.220 --> 01:24:53.640
He goes, my, my, my, how you've grown.

2058
01:24:56.100 --> 01:24:58.920
Yeah, he's so tall, isn't he?

2059
01:24:58.979 --> 01:25:01.920
He's so huge and that you weren't wrong.

2060
01:25:02.039 --> 01:25:03.600
Again, he remembers every detail.

2061
01:25:03.659 --> 01:25:05.939
Hate, you keep me warm.

2062
01:25:06.000 --> 01:25:06.840
Make sure, man.

2063
01:25:06.840 --> 01:25:07.739
Wow.

2064
01:25:07.859 --> 01:25:09.359
Yeah.

2065
01:25:09.600 --> 01:25:13.140
I mean, he's loving this role, isn't he, this actor?

2066
01:25:13.199 --> 01:25:13.680
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

2067
01:25:13.739 --> 01:25:14.579
It's Paul Jimality.

2068
01:25:14.640 --> 01:25:15.180
He's huge.

2069
01:25:15.239 --> 01:25:18.960
He is a big gad, I think, and he will be back later in the season

2070
01:25:18.960 --> 01:25:19.319
I guess.

2071
01:25:20.579 --> 01:25:22.680
Yeah, so that's it.

2072
01:25:22.680 --> 01:25:26.579
So that we're sort of reinstating the mystery of the missing

2073
01:25:26.579 --> 01:25:26.819
mother.

2074
01:25:26.880 --> 01:25:27.899
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

2075
01:25:27.960 --> 01:25:31.020
Yeah, he knows where she is and something has happened.

2076
01:25:31.079 --> 01:25:32.819
I love that.

2077
01:25:32.819 --> 01:25:35.220
She is a vicious fire.

2078
01:25:35.340 --> 01:25:36.359
Yeah, it's pretty good.

2079
01:25:36.420 --> 01:25:40.079
In fact, the best thing about it is, hey, you know, Caleb has to

2080
01:25:40.079 --> 01:25:44.279
press the button to make the programmable matter go away and the

2081
01:25:44.279 --> 01:25:48.899
way that he presses it is by grabbing Paul Giamardi's head and

2082
01:25:48.899 --> 01:25:50.880
just slam it into the console.

2083
01:25:50.939 --> 01:25:54.359
And that's how he initiates the, you know, you've got the execute

2084
01:25:54.359 --> 01:25:59.460
protocol button, uh, and he just presses it with, with, um, Brock's

2085
01:25:59.460 --> 01:26:01.079
head, which is pretty great.

2086
01:26:01.140 --> 01:26:05.819
I mean, Kurtzman Trek really does adhere to the TV language of

2087
01:26:05.819 --> 01:26:10.439
violence. i.e. I mean, he's thrown across the frames.

2088
01:26:10.439 --> 01:26:12.420
And then he just gets up and keeps fighting.

2089
01:26:12.539 --> 01:26:14.579
I don't think this would be happening in my life.

2090
01:26:14.640 --> 01:26:15.960
There you go.

2091
01:26:16.020 --> 01:26:16.739
Yeah.

2092
01:26:16.800 --> 01:26:17.279
Yeah.

2093
01:26:20.579 --> 01:26:21.720
Nice kid.

2094
01:26:22.979 --> 01:26:26.340
Blow the ship to hell.

2095
01:26:26.399 --> 01:26:29.760
Yeah, that's I'm actually a little bit shocked by that.

2096
01:26:29.880 --> 01:26:33.539
I have to say, why are we blowing the ship up?

2097
01:26:34.319 --> 01:26:37.140
Ah, well, you teach him a lesson.

2098
01:26:37.199 --> 01:26:37.979
You won't do it again.

2099
01:26:38.039 --> 01:26:40.140
That's what that's what Rourke says.

2100
01:26:40.199 --> 01:26:40.920
Teachable moment.

2101
01:26:44.220 --> 01:26:46.979
We should be teaching the kids, though, right?

2102
01:26:47.039 --> 01:26:49.979
Well, I don't know, maybe it's the, you know, the Federation is

2103
01:26:49.979 --> 01:26:53.579
not quite the Federation of the 24th century. you know.

2104
01:26:53.640 --> 01:26:54.960
Maybe that...

2105
01:26:55.020 --> 01:26:58.560
Even I must say, and this is, you know, forgive me.

2106
01:26:58.619 --> 01:27:03.239
But during this fight scene, no, I'm not going to say it.

2107
01:27:03.300 --> 01:27:04.560
Well, something was visible.

2108
01:27:04.619 --> 01:27:05.880
I thought I'm going to say.

2109
01:27:05.880 --> 01:27:06.479
Oh, really?

2110
01:27:06.779 --> 01:27:08.340
It was very distracting.

2111
01:27:08.340 --> 01:27:12.300
Slope motion my way through it later. was flinging about the

2112
01:27:12.300 --> 01:27:12.659
place.

2113
01:27:12.720 --> 01:27:15.539
There is dialogue about it in episode three.

2114
01:27:15.960 --> 01:27:18.720
What about how impressive he is.

2115
01:27:18.779 --> 01:27:19.020
Yeah.

2116
01:27:19.020 --> 01:27:19.500
Yeah.

2117
01:27:19.560 --> 01:27:20.279
Oh great.

2118
01:27:20.340 --> 01:27:21.300
Wow.

2119
01:27:22.140 --> 01:27:23.760
There we go.

2120
01:27:23.819 --> 01:27:26.880
Slow motion shots of everyone emerging.

2121
01:27:26.939 --> 01:27:27.720
Yeah.

2122
01:27:27.720 --> 01:27:31.739
So, again, I don't want to be the one wearing that massive hedge

2123
01:27:31.739 --> 01:27:32.880
you know, on the left there.

2124
01:27:33.000 --> 01:27:34.319
No, no.

2125
01:27:34.380 --> 01:27:35.100
Yeah.

2126
01:27:35.159 --> 01:27:42.720
But again, so this song, as I said before, is a little bit, because

2127
01:27:42.720 --> 01:27:47.460
it's a hippie kind of thing, it's San Francisco. it's a beautiful

2128
01:27:47.460 --> 01:27:48.899
version of it.

2129
01:27:48.960 --> 01:27:50.819
Francisco.

2130
01:27:50.880 --> 01:27:53.039
My mum loved this song.

2131
01:27:53.100 --> 01:27:54.239
Yeah, it's a beautiful song.

2132
01:27:54.300 --> 01:27:59.579
And that, like, I think that that beautiful shot with Genesis and

2133
01:27:59.579 --> 01:28:01.739
Sam is really very sweet.

2134
01:28:01.920 --> 01:28:04.560
The shots about...

2135
01:28:04.619 --> 01:28:12.239
Oh, maybe 15 seconds was probably enough, and it goes on and on

2136
01:28:12.239 --> 01:28:15.960
and we get more reaction shots, and I was like, yeah, right, I get

2137
01:28:15.960 --> 01:28:16.260
the point.

2138
01:28:16.319 --> 01:28:17.399
Yeah, yeah.

2139
01:28:17.460 --> 01:28:19.800
Because it takes a while for it to all land, doesn't it?

2140
01:28:19.859 --> 01:28:22.739
Because we've got it to land and we sort of, it's our big

2141
01:28:22.739 --> 01:28:25.140
triumphal moment though, and we get to see everyone.

2142
01:28:25.199 --> 01:28:25.859
I get it.

2143
01:28:25.920 --> 01:28:26.340
I get it.

2144
01:28:26.399 --> 01:28:27.479
I was just like, yeah.

2145
01:28:27.539 --> 01:28:31.079
I was initially touched and then I was like, right, can we move on

2146
01:28:31.079 --> 01:28:31.800
to the next scene now?

2147
01:28:31.859 --> 01:28:34.380
And the diet and the lyrics make sense?

2148
01:28:34.500 --> 01:28:38.640
that you meet some gentle people there and there's Nala. you know

2149
01:28:38.640 --> 01:28:39.720
that beautiful shot of her.

2150
01:28:39.779 --> 01:28:43.380
Um, And back to the Athenia.

2151
01:28:43.439 --> 01:28:46.800
Oh, Don earth looked beautiful when Star Trek. look at it.

2152
01:28:46.859 --> 01:28:49.800
But it looks, it does look a bit brown.

2153
01:28:49.859 --> 01:28:54.300
Like, it's like the sky is not blue in any of these shots.

2154
01:28:54.300 --> 01:28:57.600
And, like, I wonder what that is.

2155
01:28:57.659 --> 01:28:58.800
Do you know what I mean?

2156
01:28:58.859 --> 01:29:01.560
Like, there is something about.

2157
01:29:01.619 --> 01:29:03.779
We're not there yet, I think.

2158
01:29:03.840 --> 01:29:07.680
And this, even the word generation, there's a whole new generation

2159
01:29:07.680 --> 01:29:09.960
there's a whole generation with a new explanation.

2160
01:29:10.020 --> 01:29:11.220
Do you know what I mean?

2161
01:29:11.279 --> 01:29:13.619
This is a new generation of Star Trek.

2162
01:29:13.680 --> 01:29:19.079
The, the, the lyrics or work, I think, because, you know, uh

2163
01:29:19.079 --> 01:29:26.760
Nala's an ageing hippie, um, and this is going to be, uh, uh, this

2164
01:29:26.760 --> 01:29:32.460
is going to be a show, I'm afraid, about, um, patience and, um, and

2165
01:29:32.460 --> 01:29:36.600
empathy, uh, because it's set in a, in a, in a school.

2166
01:29:36.960 --> 01:29:39.479
Oh, but I don't object to that.

2167
01:29:39.539 --> 01:29:44.520
I just object to these languorous reaction shots I'm getting.

2168
01:29:44.579 --> 01:29:46.140
We did have a lot of action just now.

2169
01:29:46.260 --> 01:29:47.220
I think it's okay.

2170
01:29:47.279 --> 01:29:48.300
I'm happy.

2171
01:29:48.359 --> 01:29:51.119
I'm okay with it And there we go.

2172
01:29:51.180 --> 01:29:51.659
That's it.

2173
01:29:51.720 --> 01:29:52.079
It's done.

2174
01:29:52.199 --> 01:29:55.859
Oh, no, look, look how sexy he looks at night look.

2175
01:29:55.920 --> 01:29:57.779
It's like something out of Star Wars.

2176
01:29:57.840 --> 01:29:59.520
It's like Corusol, for God's sake.

2177
01:29:59.579 --> 01:30:00.300
It's beautiful.

2178
01:30:00.359 --> 01:30:05.159
So this, we did get dialogue saying that Nala's quarters on board

2179
01:30:05.159 --> 01:30:09.239
the Athena had been modified to her specifications.

2180
01:30:09.300 --> 01:30:14.579
And so this is again, you know, it's slightly Japanese in the sort

2181
01:30:14.579 --> 01:30:15.720
of style, isn't it?

2182
01:30:15.779 --> 01:30:16.439
Don't you think?

2183
01:30:16.500 --> 01:30:19.140
Like it's very warm.

2184
01:30:19.199 --> 01:30:20.220
The lantern on the scene.

2185
01:30:20.279 --> 01:30:24.239
Yeah, yeah. like warm and orange and sort of hippie-ish because

2186
01:30:24.239 --> 01:30:25.619
we're mostly on earth.

2187
01:30:25.680 --> 01:30:28.680
The windows give out onto foliage and stuff.

2188
01:30:28.739 --> 01:30:31.800
It's not just like the, you know, like the captain's quarters.

2189
01:30:31.859 --> 01:30:33.840
It is a beautiful set.

2190
01:30:33.899 --> 01:30:40.619
Um, and man, look at him. practice that Instagram pal. hasn't he?

2191
01:30:41.819 --> 01:30:46.020
I bet if I look on his Instagram, there's a lot of power going

2192
01:30:46.020 --> 01:30:46.439
on.

2193
01:30:46.500 --> 01:30:48.359
Actually, check their Instagram.

2194
01:30:50.279 --> 01:30:52.380
We'll call it research.

2195
01:30:53.159 --> 01:30:53.699
Yeah.

2196
01:30:53.760 --> 01:30:57.060
But look at that beautiful tiled couch that they're both sitting

2197
01:30:57.060 --> 01:31:01.560
on, which has the Starfleet image on it, but they're like, you

2198
01:31:01.560 --> 01:31:03.960
know, like beautiful green tiles.

2199
01:31:04.020 --> 01:31:05.279
It's a beautiful set.

2200
01:31:05.819 --> 01:31:09.600
Oh, wow, I didn't actually notice that the 1st time I watched it

2201
01:31:09.600 --> 01:31:11.220
with all the combatches on it.

2202
01:31:11.279 --> 01:31:12.479
It's beautiful, isn't it?

2203
01:31:12.539 --> 01:31:16.979
The Starfleet symbol, but they look like real, like real ceramic

2204
01:31:16.979 --> 01:31:17.460
tiles.

2205
01:31:17.579 --> 01:31:19.380
This thing too.

2206
01:31:19.439 --> 01:31:21.420
I mentioned this speech before we went in.

2207
01:31:21.479 --> 01:31:24.000
She had a son and he died in the burn.

2208
01:31:24.060 --> 01:31:28.319
He was a cadet and he died and then she talks about how to bring

2209
01:31:28.319 --> 01:31:29.220
children up.

2210
01:31:29.279 --> 01:31:33.300
You know, and it's not just about bringing up her own children

2211
01:31:33.300 --> 01:31:34.560
because he's gone.

2212
01:31:34.619 --> 01:31:39.539
Um, but it's bringing up these children as well, that, that...

2213
01:31:39.539 --> 01:31:43.739
This could be a really moving relationship.

2214
01:31:43.739 --> 01:31:45.359
And if they get...

2215
01:31:45.420 --> 01:31:47.880
I mean, it looks like they've got to get it right as well.

2216
01:31:47.939 --> 01:31:51.180
There's one hilarious moment in a later episode where he says

2217
01:31:51.180 --> 01:31:54.659
dismissed and then starts walking off and she goes, you don't get

2218
01:31:54.659 --> 01:31:55.800
to dismiss yourself.

2219
01:31:56.159 --> 01:31:59.279
Like, they, they, they argue.

2220
01:31:59.340 --> 01:32:00.000
Do you know what I mean?

2221
01:32:00.060 --> 01:32:01.439
They're not always on the same side.

2222
01:32:01.500 --> 01:32:06.479
This is what I think they were going for with Janeway and Harry

2223
01:32:06.479 --> 01:32:07.020
Kim.

2224
01:32:07.140 --> 01:32:10.439
Just didn't materialise at all, did it?

2225
01:32:10.500 --> 01:32:11.880
Imagine if it happened.

2226
01:32:11.880 --> 01:32:12.600
They could have done.

2227
01:32:12.659 --> 01:32:13.619
They could have done this.

2228
01:32:13.680 --> 01:32:13.979
Yeah.

2229
01:32:14.039 --> 01:32:16.079
This is really vulnerable too.

2230
01:32:16.140 --> 01:32:18.899
You do a lot of that stuff to protect your child, you know.

2231
01:32:18.960 --> 01:32:20.159
And he doesn't know.

2232
01:32:20.220 --> 01:32:24.479
Well, does he know because his mother's gone, but she did.

2233
01:32:24.539 --> 01:32:28.319
You do a lot to protect your child, including, you know, teaming

2234
01:32:28.319 --> 01:32:30.300
up with Paul Jumati, who murders someone.

2235
01:32:30.359 --> 01:32:33.239
Like all of the dialogue is so considered.

2236
01:32:33.300 --> 01:32:37.380
Like, and the episode is doing something, so clear.

2237
01:32:37.439 --> 01:32:40.560
I just think it's well written and well judged.

2238
01:32:42.180 --> 01:32:43.560
Yeah.

2239
01:32:43.619 --> 01:32:45.779
Oh, look at that long shot, the room.

2240
01:32:45.899 --> 01:32:48.119
Look at a fire, man. beautiful.

2241
01:32:48.180 --> 01:32:50.340
And then the reflection of the city.

2242
01:32:50.399 --> 01:32:51.779
Fucking hell.

2243
01:32:51.840 --> 01:32:53.579
What was I watching at this?

2244
01:32:53.640 --> 01:32:55.079
I remember any of this.

2245
01:32:55.140 --> 01:32:56.039
So beautiful.

2246
01:32:56.100 --> 01:32:58.560
Did I turn it off before the end?

2247
01:32:58.680 --> 01:32:59.699
I can't remember.

2248
01:33:00.659 --> 01:33:04.439
Oh, look how beautiful he is.

2249
01:33:04.560 --> 01:33:07.739
Oh, I think she's very beautiful as well.

2250
01:33:07.800 --> 01:33:09.600
She's so cool.

2251
01:33:09.659 --> 01:33:10.800
I like it.

2252
01:33:10.859 --> 01:33:12.779
I aged her down 20 years, right?

2253
01:33:12.779 --> 01:33:13.439
20 years.

2254
01:33:16.500 --> 01:33:18.720
Oh, she got stained glass windows?

2255
01:33:18.779 --> 01:33:19.260
Oh.

2256
01:33:19.319 --> 01:33:20.399
Lovely.

2257
01:33:20.460 --> 01:33:21.479
Do you know what, Nathan?

2258
01:33:21.539 --> 01:33:24.840
I could live there Yeah, it's a beautiful, beautiful.

2259
01:33:24.960 --> 01:33:28.680
I love how they cross arms together at the same time.

2260
01:33:28.739 --> 01:33:30.840
They're the same. for now.

2261
01:33:30.840 --> 01:33:33.060
But like they both screw it out.

2262
01:33:33.180 --> 01:33:34.260
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

2263
01:33:34.319 --> 01:33:37.439
But they both cross arms together at the same moment.

2264
01:33:37.500 --> 01:33:38.399
It's great.

2265
01:33:38.460 --> 01:33:40.079
It's just like they are the same.

2266
01:33:40.140 --> 01:33:44.039
And the smile that they give each other, like it's really nice.

2267
01:33:44.100 --> 01:33:45.420
It's really warm.

2268
01:33:45.420 --> 01:33:47.340
Look at the size of difference, baby.

2269
01:33:47.399 --> 01:33:49.020
Oh, it's wonderful, isn't it?

2270
01:33:49.079 --> 01:33:49.800
It's so good.

2271
01:33:49.800 --> 01:33:51.420
It's massive and she's torn.

2272
01:33:51.479 --> 01:33:52.920
Tiny minuscule.

2273
01:33:52.979 --> 01:33:54.000
Oh, boy.

2274
01:33:54.060 --> 01:33:54.479
Okay.

2275
01:33:54.539 --> 01:33:55.560
Do you know what?

2276
01:33:55.619 --> 01:33:58.439
That 2nd half was less egregious watching it that time.

2277
01:33:58.500 --> 01:33:59.819
It's really great.

2278
01:33:59.880 --> 01:34:01.500
Yeah, yeah.

2279
01:34:01.560 --> 01:34:05.819
I just, like, I will reiterate, like, you just said it there.

2280
01:34:05.880 --> 01:34:10.560
The whole the nature of that 1st couple of scenes where they're

2281
01:34:10.560 --> 01:34:11.220
starving.

2282
01:34:11.279 --> 01:34:14.760
So they make a deal with someone dodgy, someone gets killed.

2283
01:34:14.819 --> 01:34:21.119
It's it's that darker look at both the universe and the federal

2284
01:34:21.119 --> 01:34:22.619
that I really, really love.

2285
01:34:22.680 --> 01:34:25.560
And so I thought I was going to get a lot of that.

2286
01:34:25.560 --> 01:34:33.119
And then it did materialise into a very typical... very positive

2287
01:34:33.119 --> 01:34:36.840
Kurtzman track theme, which is what. we're always going to go for

2288
01:34:36.840 --> 01:34:38.939
in Star Trek now.

2289
01:34:39.000 --> 01:34:40.319
You know.

2290
01:34:40.380 --> 01:34:42.960
And like, even on deep safe.

2291
01:34:42.960 --> 01:34:43.619
No, they're kids.

2292
01:34:43.680 --> 01:34:46.680
They might make some mistakes along the way, of course they will.

2293
01:34:46.739 --> 01:34:49.800
But I mean, even on DC Snow, they all basically love one another.

2294
01:34:49.859 --> 01:34:54.119
I mean, you know, like it is still, you know, tricky, but they get

2295
01:34:54.119 --> 01:34:54.359
it.

2296
01:34:54.420 --> 01:34:55.199
They're dysfunctional.

2297
01:34:55.319 --> 01:34:59.760
And these guys are still saying rude things about each other and

2298
01:34:59.760 --> 01:35:04.560
you know, like you will still have Caleb and Darham fighting next

2299
01:35:04.560 --> 01:35:08.880
episode and you'll just don't want a Sarah Jane Adventures group

2300
01:35:08.880 --> 01:35:10.380
hug at the end of every single one.

2301
01:35:10.439 --> 01:35:11.520
I can't bear that.

2302
01:35:11.579 --> 01:35:14.340
There's a fair thing where you felt like, like, washing all those

2303
01:35:14.340 --> 01:35:15.720
reaction shots at the end of this.

2304
01:35:15.779 --> 01:35:16.560
Oh, yeah, yeah.

2305
01:35:16.619 --> 01:35:19.020
Yeah, and that again was like, here we are.

2306
01:35:19.079 --> 01:35:20.279
This is our new thing.

2307
01:35:20.340 --> 01:35:27.659
It's a little bit like those scenes of the Enterprise in Star Trek

2308
01:35:27.659 --> 01:35:30.420
the motionless picture where it's just like, here we are.

2309
01:35:30.479 --> 01:35:32.520
Here's the beautiful visuals.

2310
01:35:32.520 --> 01:35:39.420
We're doing something exciting and new, and we've got... very, very

2311
01:35:39.420 --> 01:35:39.659
long.

2312
01:35:39.720 --> 01:35:41.520
Oh, we didn't even have a song.

2313
01:35:41.579 --> 01:35:44.640
Oh, no, the music was quite beautiful. in the motion picture.

2314
01:35:44.699 --> 01:35:45.359
Yeah.

2315
01:35:45.359 --> 01:35:48.600
No, so a positive 1st episode.

2316
01:35:48.659 --> 01:35:54.239
I'm more intrigued, though, to get to the academy and actually

2317
01:35:54.239 --> 01:35:55.439
because I don't think it's going to be this.

2318
01:35:55.500 --> 01:35:56.819
No, it's not every week.

2319
01:35:56.880 --> 01:35:59.460
So in a way, it's sort of like deceptive.

2320
01:35:59.520 --> 01:36:00.119
Yeah.

2321
01:36:00.119 --> 01:36:03.479
But then it's Discovery's opener wasn't what discovery was either

2322
01:36:03.479 --> 01:36:03.840
was it?

2323
01:36:03.899 --> 01:36:05.819
It sort of took a year to get there.

2324
01:36:05.880 --> 01:36:07.439
Yeah, yeah.

2325
01:36:07.500 --> 01:36:12.300
And I think establishing the background, what we need to do here

2326
01:36:12.300 --> 01:36:18.060
is in some way establish the background of the world that these

2327
01:36:18.060 --> 01:36:21.359
kids have grown up in the world that they inherit.

2328
01:36:21.359 --> 01:36:23.279
And that's super important.

2329
01:36:23.340 --> 01:36:29.520
This isn't a Starfleet Academy show set in the year, you know, 2400

2330
01:36:29.520 --> 01:36:33.359
where everything's great and things are sort of going well and

2331
01:36:33.359 --> 01:36:33.720
stuff.

2332
01:36:33.779 --> 01:36:38.039
Well, even there, even in Star Trek, Picard, we had, there had

2333
01:36:38.039 --> 01:36:42.899
been a terrorist atrocity near Earth and the federation was

2334
01:36:42.899 --> 01:36:47.399
withdrawing and behaving in a way that causes Admiral Picard to

2335
01:36:47.399 --> 01:36:47.760
resign.

2336
01:36:47.819 --> 01:36:50.399
Like, this is a vision of Star Trek.

2337
01:36:50.460 --> 01:36:53.939
Federation of Picard was much more insidious than this.

2338
01:36:54.000 --> 01:36:56.520
They felt like you couldn't trust anybody.

2339
01:36:56.640 --> 01:36:57.899
Yeah, yeah.

2340
01:36:57.960 --> 01:37:02.699
I think this is that sort of, it's more than the kind of that

2341
01:37:02.699 --> 01:37:07.319
liberal utopian vision of 90s track, which gradually goes away

2342
01:37:07.319 --> 01:37:10.920
because the show gets taken over by people who aren't interested

2343
01:37:10.920 --> 01:37:11.520
in that.

2344
01:37:11.760 --> 01:37:16.859
This is interested in those ideals, but it's interested in them

2345
01:37:16.859 --> 01:37:20.880
against a background where, like, not adhering to those ideas is a

2346
01:37:20.880 --> 01:37:23.579
real possibility, and discovery has that.

2347
01:37:23.640 --> 01:37:26.819
Picard has that, and this has that, I think.

2348
01:37:26.880 --> 01:37:32.699
I hope they explore that quite a bit because I think, you know, the

2349
01:37:32.699 --> 01:37:34.439
positive utopian ideal.

2350
01:37:34.500 --> 01:37:38.760
Yeah, it's all as a delightful message, but it doesn't always make

2351
01:37:38.760 --> 01:37:40.199
interesting television.

2352
01:37:40.260 --> 01:37:45.899
Whereas shades of grey, you know, and and striving to get there.

2353
01:37:45.960 --> 01:37:47.939
That is interesting.

2354
01:37:48.000 --> 01:37:50.159
I think that that's what we'll be doing here.

2355
01:37:50.220 --> 01:37:51.720
But I'm excited.

2356
01:37:51.779 --> 01:37:55.319
Like, and I'm glad that there's at least, you know, another 19

2357
01:37:55.319 --> 01:37:59.100
episodes after this to look forward to.

2358
01:37:59.159 --> 01:38:03.539
Now we're finally, you know, setting something on earth, like

2359
01:38:03.539 --> 01:38:04.380
permanently.

2360
01:38:04.439 --> 01:38:05.159
Yeah?

2361
01:38:05.220 --> 01:38:08.340
Could we finally do the attack on Earth and actually see it for

2362
01:38:08.340 --> 01:38:08.640
real?

2363
01:38:08.699 --> 01:38:10.619
I mean, you've got the effects budget.

2364
01:38:10.680 --> 01:38:11.159
Let's do it.

2365
01:38:11.220 --> 01:38:12.420
Yeah, I mean, I don't know.

2366
01:38:12.479 --> 01:38:14.460
Like, I don't know where it will end up going.

2367
01:38:14.520 --> 01:38:17.399
But this is kind of a little bit more low stakes.

2368
01:38:17.460 --> 01:38:18.960
It's not all space problems.

2369
01:38:19.020 --> 01:38:21.060
It's not all diplomatic problems.

2370
01:38:21.119 --> 01:38:25.020
It is, you know, the 3rd episode is largely about Starfleet

2371
01:38:25.020 --> 01:38:28.020
Academy and the neighbouring war college pranking one another.

2372
01:38:28.079 --> 01:38:31.619
Like, it is very gentle at times.

2373
01:38:31.680 --> 01:38:35.340
And I think there will be higher stakes, things and more peril and

2374
01:38:35.340 --> 01:38:37.439
stuff and will be going off in the sheeper bit.

2375
01:38:37.500 --> 01:38:38.819
But this isn't...

2376
01:38:38.819 --> 01:38:40.979
We like gentlemen, don't we?

2377
01:38:41.279 --> 01:38:42.060
We love lower decks.

2378
01:38:42.180 --> 01:38:44.880
Yeah, you know, I mean, there was steaks sometimes in that, but

2379
01:38:44.880 --> 01:38:47.220
very often, you know, it was just larking about on planets.

2380
01:38:47.340 --> 01:38:48.420
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

2381
01:38:48.479 --> 01:38:49.199
Well, it's nice.

2382
01:38:49.260 --> 01:38:53.579
And I think that there's enough of lower decks DNA in this as well

2383
01:38:53.579 --> 01:38:57.359
because one of the things about Starfleet Academy is that it's

2384
01:38:57.359 --> 01:39:01.319
kind of ridiculous, you know, that we are still set in the world

2385
01:39:01.319 --> 01:39:06.180
of Star Trek in a way that is kind of strange and silly and fun

2386
01:39:06.180 --> 01:39:08.220
and they don't forget that.

2387
01:39:08.279 --> 01:39:12.239
You know, my idea that being ridiculous isn't Star Trek's failure

2388
01:39:12.239 --> 01:39:12.539
mode.

2389
01:39:12.600 --> 01:39:15.659
It's something that it should lean into and it does do that a bit

2390
01:39:15.720 --> 01:39:16.020
too.

2391
01:39:16.079 --> 01:39:19.920
Although, you know, not as stupid as what we watched last week

2392
01:39:19.920 --> 01:39:20.399
though, eh?

2393
01:39:20.460 --> 01:39:21.659
That was very stupid indeed.

2394
01:39:21.720 --> 01:39:24.600
Yeah, well, that was bad rather than ridiculous.

2395
01:39:25.560 --> 01:39:31.800
But as well, I think, I'll say again, one of the main things I

2396
01:39:31.800 --> 01:39:34.500
took away from this was those adult characters, they're so vivid

2397
01:39:34.500 --> 01:39:35.159
in this.

2398
01:39:35.220 --> 01:39:37.859
Yeah, you've got the doctor, you've got Thok.

2399
01:39:37.920 --> 01:39:39.720
You've got Holly Hunter there.

2400
01:39:39.779 --> 01:39:44.100
Um, you know, they are such great personalities.

2401
01:39:44.220 --> 01:39:47.760
I think what I need to see is the kids written up going forward.

2402
01:39:47.819 --> 01:39:49.800
And they're going to be the focus.

2403
01:39:49.859 --> 01:39:52.859
So of course that's going to happen and the adults will probably

2404
01:39:52.859 --> 01:39:56.340
just be some background colour all coming in to help them out in

2405
01:39:56.340 --> 01:39:58.260
their scrapes and japes as we go along.

2406
01:39:58.319 --> 01:39:59.880
I think it would be fun.

2407
01:39:59.939 --> 01:40:12.000
I'm looking forward to it All right, it's the end of the episode

2408
01:40:12.000 --> 01:40:15.720
and it's time for us to work out where we're going next.

2409
01:40:15.779 --> 01:40:19.380
This was another excellent choice from me.

2410
01:40:19.500 --> 01:40:25.140
And so you have the reins of the randomiser this time, Joe, where

2411
01:40:25.140 --> 01:40:25.800
are you taking us?

2412
01:40:25.859 --> 01:40:26.520
Yes.

2413
01:40:26.579 --> 01:40:31.739
Well, you know, I I take advantage of one of the new tubs that are

2414
01:40:31.739 --> 01:40:34.260
on the randomiser, because we haven't used it.

2415
01:40:34.319 --> 01:40:34.800
Yeah have we?

2416
01:40:34.859 --> 01:40:38.039
There's 2 new tabs just to let everybody know.

2417
01:40:38.100 --> 01:40:42.899
There's a 90s trek tab and a 21st century trek tab.

2418
01:40:42.960 --> 01:40:48.239
So we're going to go to a world of non-reflective surfaces, my

2419
01:40:48.239 --> 01:40:49.920
favourite period of Star Trek.

2420
01:40:49.979 --> 01:40:52.020
Except enterprise.

2421
01:40:52.079 --> 01:40:53.699
Oh, no, it clues enterprise, doesn't it?

2422
01:40:53.760 --> 01:40:56.039
Well, you can d-select enterprise ones.

2423
01:40:56.100 --> 01:40:56.640
No, no, no.

2424
01:40:56.699 --> 01:40:58.739
Come on, man. to the tab.

2425
01:40:58.800 --> 01:40:59.760
All right, come on, okay.

2426
01:40:59.819 --> 01:41:00.420
Yes.

2427
01:41:00.479 --> 01:41:00.720
Okay.

2428
01:41:00.779 --> 01:41:01.439
I've...

2429
01:41:01.560 --> 01:41:02.100
Oh, look at that.

2430
01:41:02.220 --> 01:41:03.539
All 4 popped up.

2431
01:41:03.659 --> 01:41:05.340
Oh, wonderful. honestly.

2432
01:41:05.399 --> 01:41:08.760
I like the film when you do these little innovations, you know?

2433
01:41:08.819 --> 01:41:09.899
Oh, yeah, fun.

2434
01:41:09.960 --> 01:41:14.939
Can you can you please now so we can select the seasons, please?

2435
01:41:15.000 --> 01:41:15.479
That would great.

2436
01:41:15.659 --> 01:41:18.239
Only season 6s, you know.

2437
01:41:18.239 --> 01:41:21.119
I think that's a little bit too fine grain.

2438
01:41:21.180 --> 01:41:24.300
As a little behind the scenes, Nathan and I sort of went through

2439
01:41:24.300 --> 01:41:27.840
the episodes we did last week and we realised that certain seasons

2440
01:41:27.840 --> 01:41:29.100
hadn't been covered at all.

2441
01:41:29.460 --> 01:41:32.939
DS97 and Voyager.

2442
01:41:32.939 --> 01:41:33.659
Six.

2443
01:41:33.659 --> 01:41:37.079
It was like a 3rd of the episodes have been done.

2444
01:41:37.140 --> 01:41:41.640
So, you know, I wonder if it's the randomisers a little discerning

2445
01:41:41.640 --> 01:41:42.600
about certain periods.

2446
01:41:42.720 --> 01:41:44.399
Let's find out.

2447
01:41:45.420 --> 01:41:46.859
Okay.

2448
01:41:46.859 --> 01:41:51.359
Your random Star Trek Enterprise episode, so we won't be doing

2449
01:41:51.359 --> 01:41:56.579
this is season four, episode seven, The Forge.

2450
01:41:57.119 --> 01:41:58.859
Have we done that?

2451
01:41:58.920 --> 01:42:02.760
No, it's season four, episode seven.

2452
01:42:02.819 --> 01:42:07.380
Is it the market thing, the marketplace, the Orion marketplace?

2453
01:42:07.439 --> 01:42:08.220
I can't remember.

2454
01:42:08.279 --> 01:42:10.140
I don't remember either.

2455
01:42:10.199 --> 01:42:11.340
I'm sure that I've seen it.

2456
01:42:11.460 --> 01:42:12.899
Is it part of the Vulcan arc?

2457
01:42:12.960 --> 01:42:15.659
No, I don't think so.

2458
01:42:15.720 --> 01:42:18.359
Oh, I'm not doing it anyway.

2459
01:42:18.420 --> 01:42:19.199
Yeah, we're not doing it.

2460
01:42:19.260 --> 01:42:20.699
I'll just press the button again.

2461
01:42:20.760 --> 01:42:23.220
Oh boy. glad we're not doing this.

2462
01:42:23.279 --> 01:42:26.279
We've already covered it in untitled Star Trek Project, episode

2463
01:42:26.279 --> 01:42:27.060
48.

2464
01:42:27.479 --> 01:42:33.300
Nathan's bizarrely celebrated season 2, episode five, at night in

2465
01:42:33.300 --> 01:42:33.960
Sick Bay.

2466
01:42:34.020 --> 01:42:34.560
Awesome.

2467
01:42:34.619 --> 01:42:37.079
Two enterprise ones in a row.

2468
01:42:37.140 --> 01:42:37.920
That's pretty exciting.

2469
01:42:38.279 --> 01:42:39.779
Another one.

2470
01:42:39.840 --> 01:42:43.920
Your random Star Trek Enterprise episode is season four, episode

2471
01:42:43.920 --> 01:42:45.960
18 in a mirror darkly.

2472
01:42:46.020 --> 01:42:46.859
What's going?

2473
01:42:47.399 --> 01:42:50.279
Are you sure that you've got the other one selected?

2474
01:42:51.899 --> 01:42:54.119
Another one we've done.

2475
01:42:54.239 --> 01:42:57.720
Your random Star Trek Voyager episode is the killing game. season

2476
01:42:57.720 --> 01:42:59.039
four, episode 18.

2477
01:42:59.279 --> 01:43:02.460
We've done 20% of Star Trek.

2478
01:43:03.119 --> 01:43:05.279
This will happen more and more.

2479
01:43:05.460 --> 01:43:08.520
Oh, God, we ain't doing this one.

2480
01:43:08.579 --> 01:43:09.720
There's no way.

2481
01:43:09.779 --> 01:43:14.100
Your random Star Trek Voyager episode is season one, episode 4

2482
01:43:14.100 --> 01:43:15.479
time and again.

2483
01:43:15.539 --> 01:43:18.479
That's the one where they go to the Gap Planet with that goofy kid

2484
01:43:18.539 --> 01:43:18.960
you remember?

2485
01:43:19.020 --> 01:43:21.840
Yeah, yeah, to the to the sewage reclamation plan.

2486
01:43:21.960 --> 01:43:25.680
Everyone's dressed up in gap colours.

2487
01:43:25.800 --> 01:43:29.579
And that's how they discern that that is an alien race.

2488
01:43:29.640 --> 01:43:30.119
Yes.

2489
01:43:30.119 --> 01:43:33.180
They're all just humanoid in multicoloured costumes.

2490
01:43:33.239 --> 01:43:34.619
They're all just like a terrible.

2491
01:43:35.279 --> 01:43:37.800
In a mirror darkly again.

2492
01:43:37.859 --> 01:43:38.699
What's happening here?

2493
01:43:38.760 --> 01:43:39.539
I don't know.

2494
01:43:39.600 --> 01:43:40.199
Sorry.

2495
01:43:40.800 --> 01:43:43.859
Oh, now this might be fun to do.

2496
01:43:43.920 --> 01:43:46.680
And I am taking the piss now, but I'm pressing this so much.

2497
01:43:46.739 --> 01:43:49.560
But let's not do this because we did the one after it.

2498
01:43:49.619 --> 01:43:53.340
It's hunters, you know. the other part of prey.

2499
01:43:53.399 --> 01:43:54.000
Yeah.

2500
01:43:54.000 --> 01:43:58.319
But I think we should probably go to, oh, yes, this is the one.

2501
01:43:58.380 --> 01:44:01.079
This is the one.

2502
01:44:01.079 --> 01:44:06.239
I'll say it and your eyes will light up and go, yes, that's the

2503
01:44:06.239 --> 01:44:06.600
one.

2504
01:44:06.659 --> 01:44:07.380
All right.

2505
01:44:07.439 --> 01:44:11.340
And next generation is low on our list.

2506
01:44:11.399 --> 01:44:12.119
Yeah, yeah, yeah, good.

2507
01:44:12.180 --> 01:44:12.659
Is it okay?

2508
01:44:12.720 --> 01:44:13.020
Yeah.

2509
01:44:13.020 --> 01:44:15.239
You're right on Star Trek.

2510
01:44:15.420 --> 01:44:19.859
The next generation episode is season four, episode 13.

2511
01:44:20.100 --> 01:44:21.840
Devils June.

2512
01:44:21.899 --> 01:44:23.220
Oh, yes.

2513
01:44:23.279 --> 01:44:25.800
Oh yes, please.

2514
01:44:25.859 --> 01:44:29.819
Absolutely top tier Star Trek. so much fun.

2515
01:44:29.880 --> 01:44:30.659
Oh, Trudra.

2516
01:44:30.720 --> 01:44:31.979
So good.

2517
01:44:32.039 --> 01:44:33.359
It's so good.

2518
01:44:33.420 --> 01:44:35.699
Captain Picard, please.

2519
01:44:35.760 --> 01:44:37.680
This whole planet will be destroyed.

2520
01:44:38.159 --> 01:44:40.800
Forgive me, I've got a nail appointment.

2521
01:44:40.859 --> 01:44:43.439
Oh, so camp.

2522
01:44:43.500 --> 01:44:44.579
She's so great.

2523
01:44:44.699 --> 01:44:47.100
We may have a fight about this one.

2524
01:44:47.159 --> 01:44:48.840
I remember this being dismal.

2525
01:44:48.899 --> 01:44:51.659
It's really good It's properly good.

2526
01:44:53.279 --> 01:44:57.840
Well, it took a while to get there, but I've been hanging for

2527
01:44:57.840 --> 01:44:58.020
this.

2528
01:44:58.079 --> 01:44:59.819
Devil's Jew.

2529
01:44:59.880 --> 01:45:03.539
We've all got those ones that we're desperate to cover.

2530
01:45:04.079 --> 01:45:06.420
Bring on Altra.

2531
01:45:18.479 --> 01:45:22.140
You've been listening to entitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford

2532
01:45:22.140 --> 01:45:23.279
and Nathan Bottomley.

2533
01:45:23.279 --> 01:45:26.579
We're online at Untitled Star Trek Project.com where you can find

2534
01:45:26.579 --> 01:45:29.279
subscription links and links to our social media accounts.

2535
01:45:29.340 --> 01:45:33.300
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Cisrin, and the theme was composed

2536
01:45:33.300 --> 01:45:34.619
by Cameron Lamb.

2537
01:45:34.680 --> 01:45:39.119
This episode was recorded on the 27th of January 2026 and released

2538
01:45:39.119 --> 01:45:40.500
on the 30th of January.

2539
01:45:40.560 --> 01:45:44.699
We'll see you next time for Star Trek the Next Generation, Devils

2540
01:45:44.699 --> 01:45:45.060
Dew.

2541
01:46:00.119 --> 01:46:01.619
Now, it's your role.

2542
01:46:01.739 --> 01:46:05.039
Ah, yes, yes, yes, yes.

2543
01:46:05.100 --> 01:46:07.079
I'm not just getting it out.

2544
01:46:07.380 --> 01:46:11.159
There's someone credited as little Sullivan.

2545
01:46:14.220 --> 01:46:15.539
That's enterprise, isn't it?

2546
01:46:15.659 --> 01:46:16.079
Yeah.

2547
01:46:16.140 --> 01:46:17.880
Oh, I know what it is.

2548
01:46:18.000 --> 01:46:19.680
Those 2 kids.

2549
01:46:19.739 --> 01:46:25.800
So those 2 kids with the ice cream, one of them's an Orion and one

2550
01:46:25.800 --> 01:46:27.300
of them's a super.

2551
01:46:28.560 --> 01:46:33.060
You can't have Super Bonds in the Alpha Quadrant.

2552
01:46:33.119 --> 01:46:35.819
My heart gives Sula Barnes ice cream.

2553
01:46:36.359 --> 01:46:39.000
It was well established.

2554
01:46:39.060 --> 01:46:40.920
They were all very intolerant.

2555
01:46:41.100 --> 01:46:43.020
That's so great.

2556
01:46:43.079 --> 01:46:44.279
That's so good.

2557
01:46:44.340 --> 01:46:47.579
I only just realised, I'd seen the, like, you know, copy the

2558
01:46:47.579 --> 01:46:49.319
credits from memory alpha.

2559
01:46:49.380 --> 01:46:54.239
But, but yeah, Solon Morales, and it was, I did think it was a

2560
01:46:54.239 --> 01:46:57.840
little Latino kid who was, I don't know whether it was a boy or

2561
01:46:57.840 --> 01:46:58.199
girl.

2562
01:46:58.260 --> 01:47:02.039
But the 2 little kids, the 2 little curly-head kids, and I said

2563
01:47:02.039 --> 01:47:05.279
that one of them was green, presumably in post-production, and the

2564
01:47:05.279 --> 01:47:07.859
other one must be Sullivan, in post-production.

2565
01:47:07.920 --> 01:47:08.760
I want to look at that again.

2566
01:47:08.819 --> 01:47:11.939
The victrio is just baffling.

2567
01:47:12.000 --> 01:47:15.239
No, because that felt so like...

2568
01:47:15.239 --> 01:47:17.819
Star Trek... and the bubble.

2569
01:47:17.819 --> 01:47:20.340
Everything explosion.

2570
01:47:20.460 --> 01:47:21.840
Yeah, yeah, people running.

2571
01:47:21.899 --> 01:47:22.800
It's got everything.

2572
01:47:22.859 --> 01:47:24.060
It's done everything.

2573
01:47:24.119 --> 01:47:27.479
The objection here is it has women in it.

2574
01:47:27.539 --> 01:47:29.579
It has black people in it.

2575
01:47:30.000 --> 01:47:31.739
No, no, that's it.

2576
01:47:31.739 --> 01:47:36.060
And it has, you know, gentlemen in it.

2577
01:47:36.119 --> 01:47:38.100
That's the objection, you know?

2578
01:47:38.159 --> 01:47:39.479
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

2579
01:47:39.539 --> 01:47:40.439
I think that's definitely it.

2580
01:47:40.560 --> 01:47:44.279
Remember that good old days of Star Trek Enterprise, you know

2581
01:47:44.279 --> 01:47:47.220
where we didn't read Shakespeare and we played foosball, whatever

2582
01:47:47.220 --> 01:47:47.640
it was.

2583
01:47:47.760 --> 01:47:50.520
No, you've got water polo.

2584
01:47:50.579 --> 01:47:52.680
But, like, even worse.

2585
01:47:52.739 --> 01:47:54.600
Yeah, how manly is that?

2586
01:47:54.659 --> 01:47:55.800
Fuck off, aren't you?

2587
01:47:57.060 --> 01:47:58.979
Just don't get it.

2588
01:47:59.039 --> 01:48:03.659
Now, now, because I've, when it saw a few more clips, that

2589
01:48:03.659 --> 01:48:05.819
fabulous actress who plays stock.

2590
01:48:05.880 --> 01:48:08.039
She really don't care baiting them, does she?

2591
01:48:08.100 --> 01:48:09.659
She just doesn't say that.

2592
01:48:09.720 --> 01:48:10.619
She's terrific.

2593
01:48:10.680 --> 01:48:13.920
She goes, oh my god, she goes, I'm a Gemital woman.

2594
01:48:13.979 --> 01:48:16.560
I'm not addicted to white.

2595
01:48:16.619 --> 01:48:19.859
I was like, oh, please go on, stir the pot.

2596
01:48:19.920 --> 01:48:23.579
It's a bit like what happened with Jodie.

2597
01:48:23.640 --> 01:48:25.380
Do you remember before she aired?

2598
01:48:25.380 --> 01:48:27.600
and she was reading out the tweets?

2599
01:48:27.659 --> 01:48:30.420
She's RIP, Dr. Rouge.

2600
01:48:30.479 --> 01:48:32.220
She goes, we ain't even seen me yet.

2601
01:48:34.140 --> 01:48:37.020
You know, it's the same sort of baiting.

2602
01:48:37.079 --> 01:48:39.479
Like, you shouldn't.

2603
01:48:39.539 --> 01:48:42.000
I mean, I don't even think you can have a dialogue with these

2604
01:48:42.000 --> 01:48:42.239
people.

2605
01:48:42.300 --> 01:48:46.079
I mean, you're not going to give it a charge. are they?

2606
01:48:46.140 --> 01:48:49.859
Look, I mean, we've talked about 90s strike, right?

2607
01:48:49.920 --> 01:48:52.680
and then it gradually gets more and more right wing, yeah?

2608
01:48:52.739 --> 01:48:58.380
that that in Voyager, the aliens are mostly threats and we mostly

2609
01:48:58.380 --> 01:49:02.520
get out of confrontations with them through force, right?

2610
01:49:02.579 --> 01:49:06.119
And then in enterprise, you know, which is a ship crewed by

2611
01:49:06.119 --> 01:49:07.500
mediocre white man.

2612
01:49:07.560 --> 01:49:13.020
You know, like it just gradually, like it moves away from what, you

2613
01:49:13.020 --> 01:49:17.939
know, the height of that sort of trek, you know, liberalism is

2614
01:49:17.939 --> 01:49:19.199
Star Trek, the next generation.

2615
01:49:20.279 --> 01:49:24.180
And you've got Deep Space 9 maybe critiquing that from the left

2616
01:49:24.180 --> 01:49:24.659
you know.

2617
01:49:24.720 --> 01:49:27.180
So those shows are pretty left wing.

2618
01:49:27.300 --> 01:49:28.800
Um, but less so.

2619
01:49:28.920 --> 01:49:30.060
Do you remember the end goes on?

2620
01:49:30.119 --> 01:49:31.079
the Dominion War.

2621
01:49:31.140 --> 01:49:34.319
Do you remember the there was a real criticism about it?

2622
01:49:34.380 --> 01:49:36.899
Like, you know, all the bangs and whistles that happened, the big

2623
01:49:36.899 --> 01:49:40.920
space battle, but the war actually ends when Odo beams down and

2624
01:49:40.920 --> 01:49:41.939
links with the figure.

2625
01:49:42.000 --> 01:49:43.500
It's a really intimate moment.

2626
01:49:43.560 --> 01:49:46.800
And then when they come out of that 2 seconds later, but in

2627
01:49:46.800 --> 01:49:49.140
changing time, it's been 5 years or whatever, they've been talking

2628
01:49:49.140 --> 01:49:49.560
a while.

2629
01:49:49.619 --> 01:49:52.380
And she goes, right, tell them all to stand down.

2630
01:49:52.439 --> 01:49:53.939
And that was the end of the one.

2631
01:49:54.000 --> 01:49:54.659
Of course it was.

2632
01:49:54.720 --> 01:49:55.800
It was an intimate moment.

2633
01:49:55.859 --> 01:49:59.340
Of course, it wasn't someone being shot or something like that.

2634
01:49:59.399 --> 01:50:01.560
Like these people watch Star Wars.

2635
01:50:01.619 --> 01:50:04.859
You know, Luke wins in Return of the Jedi by throwing his

2636
01:50:04.859 --> 01:50:05.939
lightsaber away.

2637
01:50:06.000 --> 01:50:09.720
You know, he just says, I won't fight you, you know, and he drops

2638
01:50:09.720 --> 01:50:11.039
his lightsaber.

2639
01:50:11.100 --> 01:50:13.979
And it's that action.

2640
01:50:14.100 --> 01:50:17.520
You know, like, it's just these people are bad at watching media

2641
01:50:17.520 --> 01:50:21.239
or maybe they're not because, like, no, they're bad at watching

2642
01:50:21.239 --> 01:50:22.319
Star Trek.

2643
01:50:22.380 --> 01:50:24.600
It's not just telly, right?

2644
01:50:24.659 --> 01:50:27.600
Star Trek has always been all colours, all creeds, all

2645
01:50:27.600 --> 01:50:28.319
sexualities.

2646
01:50:28.380 --> 01:50:29.220
Everyone's welcome.

2647
01:50:29.279 --> 01:50:31.319
Like, when did that get forgotten?

2648
01:50:31.380 --> 01:50:36.239
Well, it wasn't at all sexualities in the 90s or 60s.

2649
01:50:36.300 --> 01:50:38.159
That was that was G's approach.

2650
01:50:38.220 --> 01:50:41.279
He wanted gay characters in TV, but they didn't happen, right?

2651
01:50:41.340 --> 01:50:44.579
The basis of Star Trek is everyone's welcome.

2652
01:50:44.640 --> 01:50:45.840
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

2653
01:50:45.899 --> 01:50:46.260
Yeah.

2654
01:50:46.319 --> 01:50:48.840
But, you know, how have these people forgotten that?

2655
01:50:48.899 --> 01:50:49.739
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

2656
01:50:49.800 --> 01:50:53.039
No, no, no, everyone's welcome as long as it's been fronted by

2657
01:50:53.039 --> 01:50:53.520
white man.

2658
01:50:53.579 --> 01:50:54.479
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

2659
01:50:54.539 --> 01:50:56.939
But now, you know, like that's it.

2660
01:50:57.000 --> 01:51:01.079
It's a diversity that they hate. and but it is also, I think, those

2661
01:51:01.079 --> 01:51:05.520
federation ideals, which are really, really fronted in Kurtzman

2662
01:51:05.520 --> 01:51:07.319
track. and it's one of the things that I love about it.

2663
01:51:07.380 --> 01:51:10.319
It's why I like it more than 90s track, apart from the fact it

2664
01:51:10.319 --> 01:51:11.520
just looks a 1000000 times better.

2665
01:51:11.579 --> 01:51:14.159
What's the objection to not diversity?

2666
01:51:14.220 --> 01:51:14.760
I don't understand.

2667
01:51:14.819 --> 01:51:15.720
I know.

2668
01:51:15.779 --> 01:51:16.199
I know.

2669
01:51:16.260 --> 01:51:16.859
What is it?

2670
01:51:17.220 --> 01:51:17.939
But that's the problem.

2671
01:51:18.060 --> 01:51:18.720
They're all actors.

2672
01:51:18.779 --> 01:51:19.560
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

2673
01:51:19.619 --> 01:51:20.279
I know.

2674
01:51:20.279 --> 01:51:20.760
I know.

2675
01:51:20.819 --> 01:51:25.199
Some are brown, and some are white, and some are green.

2676
01:51:25.199 --> 01:51:26.939
And it's more interesting.

2677
01:51:27.000 --> 01:51:30.180
Like it's better. interesting, I think, and it's telling more

2678
01:51:30.180 --> 01:51:32.579
interesting stories and being just generally more interesting.

2679
01:51:32.640 --> 01:51:36.300
I mean, you know, anyway, it's a it's tedious.

2680
01:51:36.359 --> 01:51:38.039
I will never understand racism.

2681
01:51:38.100 --> 01:51:39.779
I will never understand it.

2682
01:51:39.840 --> 01:51:42.000
And I think that's to my credit.

2683
01:51:42.479 --> 01:51:44.699
I just don't get it.

2684
01:51:44.760 --> 01:51:45.960
I don't get it.

2685
01:51:46.020 --> 01:51:48.119
I mean, look at him.

2686
01:51:48.180 --> 01:51:48.840
He's beautiful.

2687
01:51:48.899 --> 01:51:49.859
Stunning.

2688
01:51:49.920 --> 01:51:52.260
Yeah. everyone's very attractive.

2689
01:51:52.319 --> 01:51:56.279
You could fill it full of English people like the English kid, you

2690
01:51:56.279 --> 01:51:58.260
know, and we'll have a much less pretty show to watch.

2691
01:51:58.380 --> 01:52:01.020
Well, just wait till episode 3 when he takes his shirt off.

2692
01:52:01.079 --> 01:52:01.500
He's fine.

2693
01:52:01.560 --> 01:52:02.159
Okay.

2694
01:52:02.340 --> 01:52:06.000
Oh, muscles don't really do too much for me.

2695
01:52:06.060 --> 01:52:07.920
Oh, like a nice pretty face, you know?

2696
01:52:07.979 --> 01:52:09.600
Those giant arms.

2697
01:52:09.659 --> 01:52:10.619
Holy crap.