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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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Nathan, how do you feel about embarking on a series finale?

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Not a season finale, which is what we did last week, a series

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finale.

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Do you feel like that?

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comes with certain expectations.

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I think it's pretty exciting.

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I think that we should do all of our greatest hits from our

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previous episodes of untitled Star Trek project, and we should

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perhaps speculate about what the future might hold for the

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podcast.

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It's the perfect opportunity for us to showcase our personalities

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talk about our relationships and all of that sort of thing.

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That sounds incredible.

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Um, this episode that we are covering today is all good things.

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And boy, did it have a lot to live up to?

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The success of Star Trek, the next generation.

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By the time this episode here was somewhere in the stratosphere

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wasn't it?

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Like, it was so big, the movies were a given.

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Yeah.

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Well, in fact, one of the weird things about this as a series

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finale is that they all know they're going to be back in the

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studio like next week or something, shooting generations.

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So it is not quite a finale in the sense that we know that we're

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going to see these characters again, but in a sort of rather

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different way.

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I think too.

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Of course, it is the 1st Star Trek series finale because turnabout

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intruder of Star Trek, the original series, is just another

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episode, and, you know, God only knows what the animated series

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did in its last episode.

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But this is the 1st time that we're winding a show up

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deliberately.

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To be honest, I think the 1st series finale is DS 9 is what you

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leave behind, which genuinely brings the show to a climax, but

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also has a ton of running storylines that it has to bring to an

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end.

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There's a finality about it.

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Whereas this, basically this could have taken place at any point

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in like the last 3 series, technically.

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It's a time travel episode, you know, it's a character piece.

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Is there any particular reason why it has to be a serious finale?

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Oh yeah, I think so.

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I think the journey into the future is something that you wouldn't

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necessarily do like any earlier in the run.

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And I think that there is a little bit of reflection here about

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what the show has been.

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And I'm not sure.

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I think I detect a note of criticism of what the show has been as

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well.

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And so, so I do think that this does work as a finale, but I think

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it doesn't work as well as it could.

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And I think part of it is just what they've chosen to do over the

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last 7 years in Star Trek, the Next Generation, which is to be a

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space problem show rather than a show about people doing space

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problems.

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And also because of Brannan Praga, I think, who is a bit of a

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problem at this point.

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Oh, okay, well, I'm very interested to hear you elucidate those

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thoughts in more depth.

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I just, I really genuinely felt with this episode and I do think

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it's good.

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I don't think it's great.

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And I don't want to like shit on this from a great height because

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there are a lot of people that really rate this episode.

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And I want to talk about the things that are genuinely very good

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about it and there are lots of things.

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Yeah.

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But I, this didn't have like the wow factor for me, of what I

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would come to expect, even from like a season finale.

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I don't know.

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And I really felt that I get your point about looking into the

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future and, you know, we discussed a moment ago that I say at the

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end of this episode, well, that future never happened.

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So what was the point of that?

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Yeah, yeah.

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Well, I think perhaps one of the reasons why it seems so sort of

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stayed or languid or um, kind of maybe the whole, um, is that all

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it's doing is giving us one last chance to hang out with these

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characters.

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And even though they're going to be back in the movies, Star Trek

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isn't really a series of movies because I think Star Trek does

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this thing where it's on every week.

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It's different every week and you get to spend time with different

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characters, you know, there are Geordie episodes in Star Trek, the

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Next Generation, but there's not a Geordie movie and there isn't

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going to be.

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And so this is the last chance that we get to spend proper time

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with these characters.

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And so I think it's absolutely forgivable that the plot is as thin

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as fuck and it just lets us spend hangout time with everyone one

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last time.

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When it comes to like the original series and those movies.

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I think some of those original series movies are genuinely very

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good movies, but they kind of have to just send everything that

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was the original series because they just don't feel like the

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original.

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So especially with the budget.

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Yeah, you know, whereas the next generation movies, to me, feel

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like next generation episodes with more money thrown at them.

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You know, like, like they're ensemble pieces and they're a bit

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dreary, you know?

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But also as well, the thing that really irritated me about this

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was the fact that they're going, oh, well, in the future, Picard

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and Beverly Crusher get married, and in the future, you know, Worf

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and Troy have a proper relationship, and in the, and it's like

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well, why didn't you do all this stuff in the last 7 years?

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Yeah, yeah.

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And that is really telling, isn't it?

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That there is character development in the 25 years or whatever

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that take place after this episode, but basically none in the last

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7 years.

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They're willing to be bold in an alternative future in a way that

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they're not willing to be bold in the actual bloody series.

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Yeah, yeah.

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And I think as well, the same is true about the kind of galactic

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political landscape as well.

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I think that Star Trek the Next Generation starts with a very, very

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bold statement about how the sort of politics of the galaxy have

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changed in the years since the original series by having wharf on

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the bridge and by having a good relationship with the Klingons.

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And, you know, that's happening at a time around.

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I mean, I know it happens before the fall of the Berlin Wall and

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at the end of the Cold War and a time when it's starting to look

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like international cooperation is a thing and Star Trek's leaning

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into that.

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And that's interesting and they do absolutely nothing comparable

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in the run of the show for 7 years.

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Like nothing like that, nothing changes.

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And when you compare that to Deep Shase 9, which leans into being

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about that, um, and there's a hint of it here, you know, there's a

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kind of prefiguring of what happens on Deep Space 9 here, I think

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in the way that the politics have changed in the galaxy in the 25

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years before the sort of future timeline.

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But I'll talk more about this when we're actually in there.

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I had expectations that this show would do something during it to

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run, and it gestures at it, but doesn't do it, and then it turns

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out in the finale we weren't really interested in that at all.

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Do you remember what the S9, the DS9 writers did in the season

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finale of series 2, which is concurrent with all good things?

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It's the same slot, is they had the Jem'Hadar introduced.

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They had a galaxy class starship in the battle.

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The gym had makes a suicide run at the galaxy car ship and blows

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it up and that was hire a bear saying, that's next generation

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out.

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DS9's in now, and we mean business, you know, and we're actually

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going to take this place.

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Yeah, we'll take this quadrant somewhere quite interesting.

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And that, that, that visual of the galaxy car ship just being

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destroyed was basically, you know, then put the curtain up, you

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know?

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Yeah, it was deliberate. anyway, shall we?

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I think we should.

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Yeah, I'm just getting ready here.

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I will count it in.

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Yeah, please do.

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Five, four, three, two, one, and we're off.

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And I'm going to have the 1st word here.

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Okay, because we end, we start on a particularly egregious note of

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the Wharf and Troy relationship, which perhaps we should say, you

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know, is backwater alley, it should never have happened.

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It's so chaste.

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Look at it.

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Like they were walking, like, they're not doing what Janeway does

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on the holiday.

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She goes to the holodeck to fuck.

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They're here just walking along the Black Sea and here's Deanna

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explaining what we've just seen because we can't afford depicting

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it on the actual show.

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And should we go on about discovery in there and let's watch it

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again.

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And there is a joke here, which I think does land with Wharf, going

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you know, all you can say, all you can say is stimulating.

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He goes, it was very stimulating.

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I think that's cute, you know.

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And walking is funny.

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Do you remember when when Jadzia sets her eyes on wolf?

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Do remember what she does?

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She starts eating.

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She's a bat left.

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Yeah, she's got left.

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She sweets him off his feet and she jumps on top of him.

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Now that's realistic.

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But look at this.

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I think this is terribly cute because this is Marina being

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Marina.

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When Marina is saki.

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Like when Worf says I'm worried about Commander Riker, and she

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goes, why do you think he'll come too?

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And it is a very marina moment.

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And so Marina is starting to get...

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I don't want to look at this.

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Oh, come on.

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Oh, sorry.

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Oh, no, card in his airy chest.

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Picard comes into cock block them, but come on, I'd kiss Michael

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Dawn.

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He's a handsome man.

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Oh, I'll kiss Patrick Stewart.

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Get me hands on his chest, you know.

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I was going to say, I do want to say, though, I really love Marina

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Sos is look in series seven.

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I think they've given her this proper, like, relax.

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Her hair's more relaxed.

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Yeah, you know.

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Well, it's more her, isn't it?

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Yeah, and we're going to see the contrast with...

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Well, in fact, we don't get her proper series one hair in the

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flashback.

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They don't inflict that on us, which is kind of nice.

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Yes, they have.

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But they put her in that fabulous blue skirt.

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Yeah, she's wearing a scant.

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Do you know what?

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I was really excited.

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I thought we were gonna see a man in a scan in that scene.

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I did.

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They didn't do it.

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Oh, did there was there one?

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No, I thought I thought we would too.

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I reckon Braga or Berman said, no, no, no, no.

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I bet it was Roddenbury back in the day, you know.

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Oh yeah, for sure.

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No, he's an absolute hornbag.

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Let's go to the Edo planet where they're all oiling each other

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up.

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Yeah, wearing Kleenex.

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It's not very too much into any of this.

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Yeah, he's a he was a horny old goat.

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Yeah, so these titles are so boring for the last time.

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The fabulous trumpets of the Star Trek, the Next Generation theme

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tune.

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Yeah, yeah, we really going where no man has gone before.

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We missed a drink with the tennis McCarthy theme.

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I want that.

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So bizarre, you know. just realised, you just see the shit going

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zoom, zoom.

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Well, that's what it is.

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It's like a racing car, isn't it?

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That's that's what it does in the in the original series.

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I mean, they're just recreating the original series opening titles

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essentially, with slightly more interesting flying past planet

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shots.

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I do like this shot here as it comes down over the saucer.

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I think, you know, yeah, well, we will see it literally 100s of

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fucking times during the run of the show because, of course, they

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shoot a whole heap of these shots for encounter at FarPoint and

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then just use them over and over again. even in this episode as

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establishing shot so they don't have to pay for new ones.

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They're shot, so shot, and there's kind of barboard in all good

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things.

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Yeah, yeah.

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There's one thing I was very aware of as well.

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Okay, is I thought the sets look remarkably cheap.

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Yeah, if you leant on them, they'd fall apart.

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Yeah, it's funny that, isn't it?

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Like, It's because you, you keep making me watch Discovery and

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expensive shows.

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Yeah, that's right.

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Shows with a bigger budget.

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I hate these opening titles too, where they do the actors, all the

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guest stars, and they literally fucking spoil the whole thing.

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So they spoil the appearance of John DeLancey and they spoil the

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appearance of Denise Crosby in this scene while they're sort of

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talking.

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At least with British shows. with like a show like Doctor Who.

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There isn't credits like this.

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No, they can maintain.

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I don't think discovery either.

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You know, discovery, discovery just does the regular cars.

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Right, right.

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Discovery is just perfect.

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Okay.

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This is your other favourite, remember?

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Yeah, this is my other favourite.

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And I love Deanna's casual wear.

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God, Star Trek in this era doesn't get casual wear right at all

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does it?

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No.

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It's to look 60s-ish.

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Those dreadful, very excitingly coloured costumes I put Cisco in

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honestly, it's unbelievable.

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Yeah, but there's a sort of kind of African thing going there once

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he puts his foot down, I think, and so often they're quite good.

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Incredibly hot as well. wear anything, you know?

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Oh, did you know what?

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That looks very like one of those original series close-ups, you

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know?

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make it a bit fuzzy.

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For Picard or Marina?

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Oh, here we go.

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So we're skipping into the future now.

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And there's a remarkable parallel here with Picard the series

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which opens with him with a vineyard.

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It's really funny, actually, because on the day this goes out, I

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think series two, episode one of Picard will have just aired, which

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also has Jean Delancey in it, I imagine.

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I mean, he's been trailed in the trailers.

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And I am really looking forward to that.

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And this is set in sort of roughly the same time period.

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So Picard is a bit faster and has a big beard.

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They haven't tried to age him up with makeup like they do at the

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end of the inner light, thank Christ, because that looked

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terrible.

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Oh, the layers of latex.

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Yeah, that's right.

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And he's a bit more hale than our Picard in Picard, who is

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surprisingly frail, I think we said.

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But they retain some of this staff.

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So in a sort of scene at the end of this episode, they're going to

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jettison this whole future, aren't they?

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They're going to decanonize it.

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And of course they are because they need to be free to do other

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things in the movies and they don't want to pin themselves down

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and, you know, fair enough.

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It doesn't ask me what was the point?

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Well, I think the point is this is a hangout episode, and here we

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are hanging out, having fun with imagining what their future's

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going to be, and guess...

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Even like every single time anomaly, Brandon Bragger episode.

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Yeah. you know, deadlock where they destroy one of the voyages or

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year of hell, where they delete the year of hell. you know?

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And it's just, oh, what was the point?

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Yeah, because no one learns anything really.

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And there isn't an attempt.

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There's a proper gesture at a character arc for Picard, and the

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trouble with it is it doesn't make any sense.

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So it really fails.

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Doesn't Picard remember all of this, though?

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Yeah, Picard remembers all of this.

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Okay, so at least there's something there.

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And I remember there was one episode at time that's a Voyager

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which had a beautiful ending.

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They delete Voyager crashing into the ice planet and all of that.

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Harry Kim is given a video recording of an older Harry Kim telling

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him about.

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No, no, but it kind of works because it has some emotional

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resonance at least, you know?

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Well, I think that I think that we're meant to understand that

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Picard's experience in this future and maybe in this past as well

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where he gets to see Tasha again, is the thing that inspires him

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to go and join the poker game at the end of the episode.

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But it's really ham-fistedly done because I think that Braga likes

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puzzle box episode, this is Braga, isn't it?

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I mean, yeah, it is.

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Spend all hour and a half slagging off rather than Pierce.

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Well, I've somewhere...

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And one more is probably one of the most accomplished writers in

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90s track.

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But Brandon Braga is your go to bullshit space anomaly guy, isn't

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he?

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Like he's the king of the space anomalies.

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Oh, but he can't do it spectacularly well as well.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Like he's one of the few writers, I think, of Voyager that

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remembers they're supposed to be, you know, this can be dynamic.

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And he fills it full of action. you know?

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Yeah, yeah.

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But I do think that this, oh.

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So these people who've just appeared and are shouting at you.

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It's that weird.

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It's that weird nuclear future, isn't it, from Encounter of

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Powerpoint?

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Yeah, it's the 21st century.

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Here we go, here we go.

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Who knew that?

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His uniform is suddenly a lot tighter.

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Yeah, spandex. here we go.

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We're on Spandex.

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Oh, look.

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I'm sorry, you and me are going to disagree on this. you know

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because I know you think she looks very, very beautiful because I

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asked you about this already.

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But I just kept being pulled out of this because she looks so much

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older than she did in series one.

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Yeah, I know, but this isn't real, Joe. They've got Denise back.

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What are they going to do?

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It's just like...

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They're trying to make me think this is in PowerPoint.

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And I just...

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It is okay.

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It is. got Denise back.

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I think it's lovely that they're getting the chance to fill in

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some gaps that we never saw.

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So this sequence where he 1st went to the enterprise and all of

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this.

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Actually, this might have made him counter on Firepoint a bit more

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likeable, you know?

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Yeah, I, I, I think this actually does quite a good job of

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replicating encounter at FarPoint.

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And it's good that the people were like Riker, right?

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You can't see Riker in this time period because now he's much

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fatter and has a giant...

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They use a clip from Arsenal of Freedom, I think, is...

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Oh, now look.

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See this shot?

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So this is McKinley Station.

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And one of the great Star Trek moments, I think, that we always

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remember is, except for you because you haven't seen it, is the

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big flyby in Star Trek, the Motion Picture, where we get to see

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the new Enterprise model, and it's long, and there's music, they

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make glorious fun of it in...

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Yeah.

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Dex episode.

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It's really funny.

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And it's it's beautiful, but this is visually kind of much less

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impressive.

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It is, but it's an attempt.

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It's still, it's possible.

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You know, I mean, you've got it right behind you right now.

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It can't be too terrible.

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Have they just recycled the model from family because I think that

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we're docked at McKinley station in family?

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If you say one.

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You're right.

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You're right.

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It is, you know.

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It is.

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Do you know, one of the things I think this episode gets very

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right is the transition between the time period.

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And how it, I wouldn't say it builds up, you know, a terrific

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amount of energy, but how that gets faster and faster as the

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episode goes along and we're suddenly intercutting and then the

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plotting and the editing all sort of come together with all 3 in

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the same place.

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We're cutting between the 3 and that's kind of nice and it's kind

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of clever.

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It also works too, that he's initially confused, but he does say

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each time it gets easier.

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And so we get this confusion, but then he just sort of slips from

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one to the other, like mid conversation and there's no faffing

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about with that.

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And so that does speed the pace up.

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I mean, we do spend a lot of time just talking and establishing

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what's going on here.

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What I do think as well, by using 3 time periods, they do really

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interesting things with Picard that I really, really like.

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So I liked him here learning about this, what's it, aromatic

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syndrome.

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Thank you very much.

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That's not mentioned by name in Picard, but he does have something

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similar in that 1st season.

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And I think that they've taken it from here.

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So they've decided that, well, I mean, because this really

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happened.

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This conversation with Beverly, where he discovers his

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vulnerability to it.

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And they...

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You cannot keep alluding to the fact that this is fiction, you

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know, all right?

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This is reality in the future, the year 23, whatever.

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It's not real.

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And so they've decided to stay with it.

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And I think it works really well in Picard because it does

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emphasise, in a way that turns out not to be necessary because of

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Stewart's performance, but it does emphasise his sort of frailty

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how old he is.

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But I like him getting the news here, but I really liked was in

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the future one where he's ranting and raving about spatial

461
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anomalies and things like that, and they think he's lost his

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bloody mind.

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Yeah, you know, and I think that's really, really interesting

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because you're absolutely seeing Picard past his best where

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they're all like, okay, well let's take you off to the home now.

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You know?

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Yeah, yeah.

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But I also really like the Picard of the past where he's doing all

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these unusual and unpredictable things with his new crew and they

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all think, 0 my god, what is this guy all about?

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You know, like, but it's it's different. looking at Picard in all

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these different ways.

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Kind of in a way the show doesn't usually, really.

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Yeah, in fact, I think Stuart's performance is quite different in

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series one, and he definitely tries to recapture that in the past

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episode, you know, the past...

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He's very cold in impact.

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You know, I want you to stop me from making an ass of myself with

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children, you know, so bad.

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Do you know what's interesting because in a documentary, it

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started playing after this on Netflix and it's like a

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retrospective and it's Patrick Stewart's there going, well, I

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didn't think Next Generation was going to go, he said 6 weeks, I

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gave myself.

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I didn't unpack.

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I didn't unpack my bag, he said.

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And here he is 7 seasons later.

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Huge success.

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Yeah.

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And it's been off 150 years later after that.

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There's no one asking him.

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Look he's still hanging around with his chest hanging out.

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Yeah, yeah.

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It's an official Starfleet call.

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They don't dress up for those.

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That's...

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We've had.

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Can I say how refreshing it is to be outside in the sunshine?

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We said this and take me out to the hollow suite, didn't we?

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You know, we're not in standing sets.

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We were in the fresh air.

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It's surprising how rare that is, isn't it?

503
00:24:01.140 --> 00:24:02.279
Yeah, given the budget.

504
00:24:02.339 --> 00:24:02.819
Yes.

505
00:24:02.880 --> 00:24:03.480
Yeah.

506
00:24:03.539 --> 00:24:04.200
Yeah.

507
00:24:04.259 --> 00:24:07.740
And then, you know, I obviously make a lot of comparisons with

508
00:24:07.740 --> 00:24:10.319
Doctor Who, because that's our other big favourite that we podcast

509
00:24:10.319 --> 00:24:13.980
about, but actually Doctor Who has way more location work than

510
00:24:13.980 --> 00:24:14.640
Star Trek.

511
00:24:14.700 --> 00:24:18.119
And, and, you know, one 10th of the budget.

512
00:24:18.180 --> 00:24:18.960
Yeah.

513
00:24:19.019 --> 00:24:22.559
Well, it doesn't tend to have scenes in the TARDIS that much. you

514
00:24:22.559 --> 00:24:27.000
know, or episodes set on the spaceship. whereas it's absolutely

515
00:24:27.000 --> 00:24:31.380
normal for Star Trek to have the bulk of the episode take place in

516
00:24:31.380 --> 00:24:32.339
its standing sands.

517
00:24:32.400 --> 00:24:35.579
And I do like that about Star Trek.

518
00:24:35.640 --> 00:24:38.579
I do, I want to hang out with my favourite characters in the same

519
00:24:38.579 --> 00:24:41.579
location and see what different things they get out to and they're

520
00:24:41.579 --> 00:24:43.680
working lives and their family lives and whatever.

521
00:24:43.740 --> 00:24:46.740
But whenever it goes out on location.

522
00:24:46.799 --> 00:24:50.940
Do you remember that episode who watches the watchers when they're

523
00:24:50.940 --> 00:24:53.819
out on the rocks for the whole and it's so refreshing.

524
00:24:53.880 --> 00:24:56.339
Every time they do it, it's like a breath of fresh air, isn't it?

525
00:24:56.400 --> 00:24:56.759
literally.

526
00:24:56.819 --> 00:24:58.500
That's such a good episode.

527
00:24:58.619 --> 00:25:00.839
That's marvellous, yeah.

528
00:25:00.900 --> 00:25:01.319
Yeah.

529
00:25:01.380 --> 00:25:01.740
Yeah, yeah.

530
00:25:01.799 --> 00:25:04.200
But this, I mean, I think this location is really nice.

531
00:25:04.259 --> 00:25:07.500
It's very clearly southern California rather than France, but like

532
00:25:07.500 --> 00:25:07.980
whatever.

533
00:25:08.099 --> 00:25:11.940
I think probably in Picard at Southern California rather than

534
00:25:11.940 --> 00:25:12.599
France.

535
00:25:12.660 --> 00:25:15.180
You say, yeah, I'm sorry to say this, okay.

536
00:25:15.240 --> 00:25:18.299
Did you see how nice live ass Burton's bum was in those trousers

537
00:25:18.299 --> 00:25:18.539
then?

538
00:25:18.599 --> 00:25:19.019
Yep.

539
00:25:19.019 --> 00:25:23.519
I know. terrible though, you know, because they've taken the visor

540
00:25:23.519 --> 00:25:23.700
off.

541
00:25:23.759 --> 00:25:26.759
They've let him have eyes and we still can't see his beautiful

542
00:25:26.759 --> 00:25:27.480
brown eyes.

543
00:25:27.539 --> 00:25:30.720
Yeah, but we can at least see his face.

544
00:25:30.779 --> 00:25:36.539
And I think, you know, he had that acting challenge of doing 7

545
00:25:36.539 --> 00:25:40.259
years with that wretched visor, but the moment they felt that they

546
00:25:40.259 --> 00:25:42.839
could, which is when the show is over and they decide that they

547
00:25:42.839 --> 00:25:45.960
can do changes to the characters, they get rid of it.

548
00:25:46.019 --> 00:25:49.980
And, you know, it was kind of bad, I think, to put Lavar in that

549
00:25:49.980 --> 00:25:54.720
stupid thing for 7 years because, like, it, like we said it before

550
00:25:54.720 --> 00:25:57.180
I haven't really, like, high concept ideas for characters that are

551
00:25:57.180 --> 00:25:58.319
a bit tedious, aren't they?

552
00:25:58.380 --> 00:26:00.299
Yeah, and it turns out you don't need them.

553
00:26:00.359 --> 00:26:01.319
Yeah.

554
00:26:01.319 --> 00:26:02.700
No. and I don't know.

555
00:26:02.759 --> 00:26:05.579
I just think some of some of the episodes that featured with

556
00:26:05.579 --> 00:26:08.819
Geordie, if he just had his normal eyes, we'd be heartbroken

557
00:26:08.819 --> 00:26:09.539
watching them.

558
00:26:09.599 --> 00:26:14.160
Like the thing about Renee Auginois is you can put him in as much

559
00:26:14.160 --> 00:26:17.519
latex as you want, but if you can see his eyes, he's going to make

560
00:26:17.519 --> 00:26:18.480
you feel, you know?

561
00:26:18.539 --> 00:26:22.140
But I do think Levard does, oh, he's space Cambridge.

562
00:26:22.259 --> 00:26:25.859
Oh, I'm so sorry, I keep interrupted.

563
00:26:25.980 --> 00:26:29.819
But I just have to point out the fabulous housekeeper, who is the

564
00:26:29.819 --> 00:26:30.720
MVP of this episode.

565
00:26:30.839 --> 00:26:32.519
You know who that is?

566
00:26:32.579 --> 00:26:37.680
I just think it's the same actor who is in, I'm imagining it's the

567
00:26:37.680 --> 00:26:38.880
same actor as in Times Arrow 2.

568
00:26:39.000 --> 00:26:39.660
It is.

569
00:26:39.720 --> 00:26:40.680
It's the same one.

570
00:26:40.740 --> 00:26:42.779
It's the one who goes, Mr. Pickett.

571
00:26:43.259 --> 00:26:46.380
I'll have my red by one o'clock on Tuesday.

572
00:26:46.440 --> 00:26:48.779
It's her, but this time she's got a terrible English accent.

573
00:26:48.839 --> 00:26:50.400
Yeah, accent.

574
00:26:50.400 --> 00:26:51.000
Yeah, accent.

575
00:26:51.059 --> 00:26:52.440
It is a terrible accent, isn't it?

576
00:26:52.500 --> 00:26:53.880
It's so...

577
00:26:53.880 --> 00:26:54.480
She's bad.

578
00:26:54.539 --> 00:26:55.920
He's so grumpy.

579
00:26:55.980 --> 00:27:00.480
But are there people like that in England now in, in, you know

580
00:27:00.480 --> 00:27:04.019
2022 or whatever year this is in the space year 2022.

581
00:27:04.200 --> 00:27:05.339
I work with half of them.

582
00:27:05.460 --> 00:27:06.180
It's full of it.

583
00:27:06.240 --> 00:27:12.299
It's full of people like these. in 2399 or 98 or whatever this

584
00:27:12.299 --> 00:27:12.480
is.

585
00:27:12.539 --> 00:27:14.640
British that is grumpy, you know?

586
00:27:14.700 --> 00:27:15.420
Yeah.

587
00:27:15.480 --> 00:27:16.500
Bad tempered.

588
00:27:16.559 --> 00:27:17.400
Yep, no.

589
00:27:17.400 --> 00:27:19.319
Worst customers on the planet.

590
00:27:20.579 --> 00:27:23.160
Oh, look, spots on the fire.

591
00:27:23.220 --> 00:27:26.039
Actually, I can't imagine that is spot now. a new cat, isn't it?

592
00:27:26.099 --> 00:27:26.519
Yeah.

593
00:27:26.519 --> 00:27:28.799
Well, data probably. cloned him her.

594
00:27:28.859 --> 00:27:31.500
Change of sex, actually, halfway through.

595
00:27:31.559 --> 00:27:35.279
Because they have such big sound stages.

596
00:27:35.339 --> 00:27:37.920
They do these kind of library sets and things like this

597
00:27:37.980 --> 00:27:38.579
beautifully.

598
00:27:38.640 --> 00:27:42.539
They're always massive, you know, with big fireplaces and it's

599
00:27:42.539 --> 00:27:43.859
nice and big, isn't it?

600
00:27:43.920 --> 00:27:48.599
I like this a lot.

601
00:27:48.720 --> 00:27:51.960
And of course, we don't get to see this in Picard because data is

602
00:27:51.960 --> 00:27:54.480
canonically dead at the end of nemesis, isn't he?

603
00:27:54.599 --> 00:27:57.299
But this is actually kind of sweet.

604
00:27:57.420 --> 00:28:01.740
And of course, this is the location share is what Sir Isaac Newton

605
00:28:01.740 --> 00:28:04.740
had, as they held, as they said earlier.

606
00:28:04.799 --> 00:28:07.799
But I think Stephen Hawking holds it as well.

607
00:28:07.859 --> 00:28:11.519
Star Trek guest star Stephen Hawking.

608
00:28:11.640 --> 00:28:14.579
And so I think it's terribly sweet to give him...

609
00:28:14.640 --> 00:28:15.119
Have you noticed?

610
00:28:15.180 --> 00:28:16.440
He's surrounded by bloody cats.

611
00:28:16.500 --> 00:28:17.640
Yeah, yeah.

612
00:28:17.880 --> 00:28:21.960
A mad cat lady since he's moved to Cambridge.

613
00:28:22.019 --> 00:28:25.500
Did you see that that photo out the window trying to suggest it's

614
00:28:25.500 --> 00:28:25.740
England.

615
00:28:25.799 --> 00:28:27.359
Oh, lovely.

616
00:28:27.420 --> 00:28:29.099
It's not too bad.

617
00:28:29.160 --> 00:28:30.480
That's not too bad.

618
00:28:31.019 --> 00:28:33.180
It's another 2 cats.

619
00:28:33.180 --> 00:28:35.099
I'm like, 0 my god, how many cats has he got?

620
00:28:35.940 --> 00:28:39.119
Nathan, he's got a problem, I'm telling you, right?

621
00:28:39.539 --> 00:28:41.519
Oh, here we go.

622
00:28:41.579 --> 00:28:43.019
Look at Wolf.

623
00:28:43.079 --> 00:28:45.059
They've even done the old wolf makeup.

624
00:28:45.059 --> 00:28:46.259
Yes, they have. heavy forehead.

625
00:28:46.319 --> 00:28:47.519
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

626
00:28:47.579 --> 00:28:49.559
And the scant and all of that.

627
00:28:49.619 --> 00:28:52.559
There are set changes that take place.

628
00:28:52.619 --> 00:28:57.299
I think between series 4 and 5 that they revert mostly for these

629
00:28:57.299 --> 00:28:58.319
past scenes.

630
00:28:58.440 --> 00:29:01.680
Some of them earlier than that, but the Enterprise set changes

631
00:29:01.680 --> 00:29:02.460
over the years.

632
00:29:02.519 --> 00:29:07.559
And so they mostly bring back, I'll tell you one bit that they

633
00:29:07.559 --> 00:29:08.880
didn't bring back when we get there.

634
00:29:08.940 --> 00:29:11.400
But they mostly revert it to the old set.

635
00:29:11.460 --> 00:29:15.599
It's a wonderful touch that O'Briens there because he was there in

636
00:29:15.599 --> 00:29:16.259
the counterpart.

637
00:29:16.319 --> 00:29:18.539
Yeah, you know what his name was in Caro Farcoy.

638
00:29:18.599 --> 00:29:19.799
No, what?

639
00:29:19.920 --> 00:29:22.740
Colton, because he worked a Colton.

640
00:29:22.799 --> 00:29:25.980
He just calls him Colin in that. yeah He doesn't have a name.

641
00:29:26.039 --> 00:29:26.759
That's right.

642
00:29:26.759 --> 00:29:28.259
He's probably credited as that too.

643
00:29:28.319 --> 00:29:29.819
God, he did all right for himself.

644
00:29:29.880 --> 00:29:33.240
He became the most important person in Starfleet history from that

645
00:29:33.240 --> 00:29:38.640
one tiny, uh, small part at the beginning of uh, I always forget

646
00:29:38.640 --> 00:29:40.920
just how much of Next Gen O'Brien's.

647
00:29:40.920 --> 00:29:43.319
And, you know, he's there till series 5, I think.

648
00:29:43.799 --> 00:29:46.019
Uh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

649
00:29:46.079 --> 00:29:50.039
Because disastrous series 5 and that's when, um, Keiko gives

650
00:29:50.039 --> 00:29:50.400
birth.

651
00:29:50.460 --> 00:29:55.619
So he pretty much transfers, you know, when when it starts.

652
00:29:55.680 --> 00:29:56.880
He's in it until then.

653
00:29:56.940 --> 00:30:00.000
See, look, I wasn't very convinced because Tasha Yal is not

654
00:30:00.000 --> 00:30:02.759
behaving in a hideously melodramatic way until that point.

655
00:30:02.819 --> 00:30:03.420
And then she was.

656
00:30:03.480 --> 00:30:05.160
So now I believe we're in zero one.

657
00:30:05.400 --> 00:30:07.859
I think the problem is her hair.

658
00:30:07.920 --> 00:30:08.940
They don't get her hair right.

659
00:30:09.000 --> 00:30:11.640
Do you remember that sequence in the court?

660
00:30:11.700 --> 00:30:14.160
Yeah, we go to the court later with Q and all that.

661
00:30:14.220 --> 00:30:17.880
And she's like, and I grew up in places like this court.

662
00:30:17.940 --> 00:30:23.220
And it was men like these and they're rape gangs and oh, God, it

663
00:30:23.220 --> 00:30:24.480
was so overdone.

664
00:30:24.539 --> 00:30:27.059
The rape gangs was such a terrible idea.

665
00:30:27.119 --> 00:30:32.039
See, look, these spaceships on the wall of the observation lounge

666
00:30:32.039 --> 00:30:36.240
the little spaceships in relief, and all that wood, that obviously

667
00:30:36.240 --> 00:30:41.039
goes away in series 5, and it's replaced by a much more boring

668
00:30:41.039 --> 00:30:41.579
wall.

669
00:30:41.880 --> 00:30:44.160
And so nerdy.

670
00:30:44.220 --> 00:30:44.460
Thank you.

671
00:30:44.519 --> 00:30:45.299
That's lovely touch.

672
00:30:45.359 --> 00:30:48.839
I think this looks like a sort of fabulous 60s office, but what

673
00:30:48.839 --> 00:30:49.619
they haven't done.

674
00:30:49.680 --> 00:30:53.039
So the opposite wall of the observation lounge with those ridges

675
00:30:53.039 --> 00:30:56.339
below the windows, that's not how it looked in series one.

676
00:30:56.400 --> 00:30:58.920
And so they've decided that no one's going to notice that and

677
00:30:58.920 --> 00:31:00.480
they're not going to bother to replace those.

678
00:31:00.539 --> 00:31:04.920
They also do meet my co-host from Untitled Star Trek Projected

679
00:31:04.920 --> 00:31:05.099
though.

680
00:31:05.160 --> 00:31:06.539
But there are some other things.

681
00:31:06.539 --> 00:31:08.819
No detail goes untouched or none noticed.

682
00:31:08.880 --> 00:31:10.619
They must have known.

683
00:31:10.680 --> 00:31:13.500
It's Star Trek fans, for God's sake. his hair.

684
00:31:13.559 --> 00:31:14.220
I know.

685
00:31:14.700 --> 00:31:19.740
I think it's like, it's like her episode one hair only not

686
00:31:19.740 --> 00:31:21.059
incredibly shit.

687
00:31:21.119 --> 00:31:22.920
Like, it's so bad.

688
00:31:23.039 --> 00:31:26.039
It's a character at PowerPoint. should have looked, you know.

689
00:31:26.099 --> 00:31:28.319
Oh my god, do you remember that bit in Encounter Farpoint where

690
00:31:28.319 --> 00:31:32.460
the man freezes up like an ice pop and falls over in there and she

691
00:31:32.460 --> 00:31:37.500
runs up to him and does her best ever betasoid moment of like, you

692
00:31:37.500 --> 00:31:38.940
know, of explaining a plot.

693
00:31:39.000 --> 00:31:40.980
She just goes, he's frozen.

694
00:31:43.019 --> 00:31:45.420
Start as you mean to go on.

695
00:31:46.740 --> 00:31:49.680
I'm detecting anger from him, Captain.

696
00:31:49.740 --> 00:31:50.460
Oh really?

697
00:31:50.579 --> 00:31:53.339
She's pulling off that skirt boots.

698
00:31:53.400 --> 00:31:55.799
Yeah, 7 years later, no.

699
00:31:55.859 --> 00:31:56.640
She's fit.

700
00:31:56.700 --> 00:32:01.140
I mean, they put her in some pretty interesting outfits in the

701
00:32:01.140 --> 00:32:02.099
last 7 years, you know?

702
00:32:02.160 --> 00:32:03.660
bit of camel toe.

703
00:32:03.839 --> 00:32:07.740
I definitely think they made the right choice with the uniforms

704
00:32:07.740 --> 00:32:07.920
though.

705
00:32:07.980 --> 00:32:10.500
These sort of tie season one uniforms.

706
00:32:10.799 --> 00:32:13.440
It feels like no one can breathe, you know?

707
00:32:13.500 --> 00:32:14.880
There's spandex.

708
00:32:14.940 --> 00:32:17.279
And I think they're replaced.

709
00:32:17.279 --> 00:32:18.420
You know a lot about that nation.

710
00:32:18.900 --> 00:32:21.480
The replacement wool, I think.

711
00:32:21.539 --> 00:32:23.579
And it does take a while.

712
00:32:23.640 --> 00:32:29.700
So these go away in series three, but it takes a couple of years

713
00:32:29.700 --> 00:32:35.759
before the background actors stop wearing these uniforms because

714
00:32:35.759 --> 00:32:39.000
they can only replace the main cast uniforms.

715
00:32:39.059 --> 00:32:41.579
I don't know if I do this because there's so much for us to

716
00:32:41.579 --> 00:32:42.539
actually talk about anything.

717
00:32:42.599 --> 00:32:43.799
But I do actually have a question for you.

718
00:32:43.859 --> 00:32:50.160
And that is, do you wish that Tasha Yar had stayed with the show?

719
00:32:50.160 --> 00:32:55.440
Because basically every character, got a reboot around series 3

720
00:32:55.440 --> 00:32:57.660
where they suddenly all started to work.

721
00:32:57.720 --> 00:32:59.880
Yeah, I think so.

722
00:32:59.940 --> 00:33:05.339
And part of the reason is that I think that what they do to her in

723
00:33:05.339 --> 00:33:09.180
in, um...

724
00:33:09.240 --> 00:33:13.380
No, in unification part one, where we discover what happened to

725
00:33:13.380 --> 00:33:17.220
her or unification part two, one of those anyway, whatever. is

726
00:33:17.220 --> 00:33:17.819
awful.

727
00:33:17.880 --> 00:33:22.319
And particularly given all of her fears of rape gangs and stuff

728
00:33:22.319 --> 00:33:25.500
like that, to have her become a prisoner of war and be repeatedly

729
00:33:25.500 --> 00:33:29.220
raped by a Romulan until she, you know, like forcibly married

730
00:33:29.220 --> 00:33:32.940
maybe they're in love, maybe she really liked it, but let's, I

731
00:33:32.940 --> 00:33:33.779
doubt it, you know.

732
00:33:33.839 --> 00:33:38.579
Especially after like yesterday's enterprise gave her a heroic end

733
00:33:38.640 --> 00:33:39.539
superb ending.

734
00:33:39.599 --> 00:33:40.200
Yeah.

735
00:33:40.200 --> 00:33:43.140
On a complete side note, I can't believe they had the nerve to

736
00:33:43.140 --> 00:33:46.920
call one low discovery episodes, unification number three.

737
00:33:46.980 --> 00:33:47.339
Yeah, yeah.

738
00:33:47.339 --> 00:33:48.960
Well, they did.

739
00:33:49.079 --> 00:33:55.680
They did they did really properly unify Romulus and Vulcan in it.

740
00:33:55.740 --> 00:33:59.279
Do you imagine there was Discovery fans watching that who'd never

741
00:33:59.279 --> 00:34:00.599
seen the exchange go, well, what's it all about?

742
00:34:00.660 --> 00:34:01.440
Part 3.

743
00:34:01.619 --> 00:34:03.420
Ah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

744
00:34:03.480 --> 00:34:06.960
Well, I mean, they've, we saw in our last episode that they were

745
00:34:06.960 --> 00:34:09.900
free and easy with the use of part one and part 2 at the beginning

746
00:34:09.900 --> 00:34:11.639
of the end of the series.

747
00:34:11.699 --> 00:34:13.260
Oh, yeah, they all check in.

748
00:34:13.320 --> 00:34:15.000
They don't care.

749
00:34:15.059 --> 00:34:19.980
Oh, see, now, this I really liked because I think you can

750
00:34:19.980 --> 00:34:24.480
genuinely see how Brent Spiner, and this is exactly how he played

751
00:34:24.480 --> 00:34:26.039
him in series one.

752
00:34:26.099 --> 00:34:30.480
And in series 7, there's a more relaxed informality about him.

753
00:34:30.539 --> 00:34:33.659
He's comfortable with the other characters.

754
00:34:33.719 --> 00:34:37.079
It was very childlike, very Pinocchio in a series one.

755
00:34:37.139 --> 00:34:39.840
And the head tilt and all of that sort of thing, which they

756
00:34:39.840 --> 00:34:42.420
mentioned in the Picard episode that we covered.

757
00:34:42.480 --> 00:34:43.679
All of that is here.

758
00:34:43.739 --> 00:34:48.000
And so he gets to do 3 different versions of data, like quite

759
00:34:48.000 --> 00:34:50.159
properly 3 different versions in this episode.

760
00:34:50.400 --> 00:34:52.619
And he gets the punch.

761
00:34:52.679 --> 00:34:56.460
I think he gets to punch the air moment where in the 2nd part or

762
00:34:56.460 --> 00:34:59.340
the 2nd half of this, he's the one that believes the older Picard

763
00:34:59.340 --> 00:35:01.679
and goes, actually, this would all make sense.

764
00:35:01.739 --> 00:35:02.699
And then I'm going, finally.

765
00:35:03.179 --> 00:35:07.440
Do you know, what was interesting was, remember I said to you in

766
00:35:07.440 --> 00:35:12.539
descent, I was never sure why data was as popular as he was

767
00:35:12.539 --> 00:35:15.960
because he didn't really chime with me like everybody else. despite

768
00:35:15.960 --> 00:35:17.760
the fact that he's a great actor and there were some good

769
00:35:17.760 --> 00:35:18.179
episodes.

770
00:35:19.019 --> 00:35:23.039
I was suddenly thinking, actually, that performance in series one

771
00:35:23.039 --> 00:35:24.420
was so likeable.

772
00:35:24.480 --> 00:35:25.679
It was so childlike.

773
00:35:25.739 --> 00:35:27.659
I can see why.

774
00:35:27.719 --> 00:35:30.539
Do you remember the bit, you know, in a counterpoint where he's on

775
00:35:30.539 --> 00:35:34.079
the holodeck and he's whistling and things like that.

776
00:35:34.139 --> 00:35:38.219
It's so sweet and I'm thinking to myself, yeah, that's why that's

777
00:35:38.219 --> 00:35:39.719
why I like that character at the start.

778
00:35:39.780 --> 00:35:41.639
He was, he was lovely.

779
00:35:41.699 --> 00:35:45.960
I think it's genius as well because he is very definitely our

780
00:35:45.960 --> 00:35:50.880
version of Spock for this exciting new series because he's alien

781
00:35:50.880 --> 00:35:55.260
in a way that the other characters aren't, um, and he's science

782
00:35:55.260 --> 00:35:56.460
guy or whatever.

783
00:35:56.519 --> 00:36:01.800
And instead of having him super serious and slightly contemptuous

784
00:36:01.800 --> 00:36:06.239
or conflicted about humanity, you turn it on its head and you have

785
00:36:06.239 --> 00:36:09.420
him as a comedy character, an unintentional comedy character, but

786
00:36:09.420 --> 00:36:12.659
he frequently says things that are intended for the audience to

787
00:36:12.659 --> 00:36:16.619
laugh at and make sure...

788
00:36:16.619 --> 00:36:18.239
And the outrageous O'Connor.

789
00:36:18.300 --> 00:36:19.440
Yes.

790
00:36:19.500 --> 00:36:23.159
And they alluded to it in that episode of Picard that we watched.

791
00:36:24.840 --> 00:36:26.699
They wanted to learn how to laugh, didn't they?

792
00:36:26.760 --> 00:36:27.239
Yeah.

793
00:36:27.300 --> 00:36:33.179
And the outrageous iconic does appear in an episode of Lower Decks

794
00:36:33.179 --> 00:36:33.840
as well.

795
00:36:34.079 --> 00:36:37.800
No, I think we were robbed here. as well, because we said how

796
00:36:37.800 --> 00:36:40.739
fabulous Marina circus looked back in the past in the old mini

797
00:36:40.739 --> 00:36:41.099
skirt.

798
00:36:41.159 --> 00:36:43.079
We've said how fabulous she looks in a present.

799
00:36:43.139 --> 00:36:46.139
Now, I've got a feeling, if we'd have seen her in the, obviously

800
00:36:46.139 --> 00:36:47.159
she's dead in the future, isn't she?

801
00:36:47.219 --> 00:36:48.059
And that's a big point.

802
00:36:48.119 --> 00:36:50.760
It would have seen, she'd have looked like that fabulous vamp

803
00:36:50.760 --> 00:36:54.539
who'd been in love with our car with their gray hair.

804
00:36:54.599 --> 00:36:55.199
Do you remember?

805
00:36:55.260 --> 00:36:56.760
And you know, oh, she looks amazing.

806
00:36:56.820 --> 00:36:59.699
I'm actually glad we don't see her.

807
00:36:59.760 --> 00:37:03.840
Although I do dislike the idea that she's been fridged in order to

808
00:37:03.840 --> 00:37:06.719
create conflict between these two.

809
00:37:06.840 --> 00:37:09.300
I think that's a little bit unfortunate.

810
00:37:09.360 --> 00:37:10.980
And I don't buy it.

811
00:37:11.039 --> 00:37:11.820
I just don't buy.

812
00:37:11.880 --> 00:37:12.960
No.

813
00:37:12.960 --> 00:37:15.119
Nothing would wedge between this crew.

814
00:37:15.179 --> 00:37:16.320
They just love each other, you know?

815
00:37:16.380 --> 00:37:17.519
Yeah.

816
00:37:17.579 --> 00:37:18.239
Yeah.

817
00:37:18.300 --> 00:37:18.960
Yeah.

818
00:37:19.019 --> 00:37:21.539
And and they wipe it out as well.

819
00:37:21.599 --> 00:37:25.019
At the end, they say, oh, you know, Picard told us about this

820
00:37:25.019 --> 00:37:27.900
conflict and we're never going to have it when Deanna dies.

821
00:37:27.960 --> 00:37:30.300
Oh, hi, Deanna. have you come to play poker?

822
00:37:30.360 --> 00:37:31.199
We were just talking about you.

823
00:37:31.260 --> 00:37:35.699
You know, like that's a weird kind of scene and there's no point

824
00:37:35.699 --> 00:37:36.179
to it.

825
00:37:36.239 --> 00:37:42.059
And look at, look, this is not how Riker acts out of focus in the

826
00:37:42.059 --> 00:37:45.360
foreground, staring angrily at the fact that Deanna's fucking

827
00:37:45.360 --> 00:37:45.960
someone else.

828
00:37:46.019 --> 00:37:49.619
That was not what the relationship was like during the run of the

829
00:37:49.619 --> 00:37:49.800
show.

830
00:37:49.860 --> 00:37:52.500
He was always like, he's always such a professional as well, right

831
00:37:52.500 --> 00:37:52.920
isn't he?

832
00:37:52.980 --> 00:37:55.440
none of this would normally, it wouldn't distract him from his

833
00:37:55.440 --> 00:37:55.679
work.

834
00:37:55.739 --> 00:38:00.539
But they had had a relationship that was kind of mature.

835
00:38:00.599 --> 00:38:03.539
Like, when we get into the future, we meet the other Captain

836
00:38:03.539 --> 00:38:04.860
Picard.

837
00:38:04.920 --> 00:38:09.000
I think that that relationship is pretty great and I think that

838
00:38:09.000 --> 00:38:12.960
Gates does a great job in those scenes.

839
00:38:13.019 --> 00:38:14.280
Like she's really good.

840
00:38:14.340 --> 00:38:15.780
You know what?

841
00:38:15.840 --> 00:38:20.280
I was surprised at how good she was in this because you know

842
00:38:20.280 --> 00:38:24.119
infamously, I think she's a dreadful actress and a terrific

843
00:38:24.119 --> 00:38:24.420
dancer.

844
00:38:24.539 --> 00:38:25.199
Yeah.

845
00:38:25.199 --> 00:38:31.500
But I loved this scene where she leans forward and kisses it.

846
00:38:31.500 --> 00:38:32.760
This is a professional environment.

847
00:38:32.820 --> 00:38:35.219
And I'm like, yeah, I would have liked to have seen a bit more of

848
00:38:35.219 --> 00:38:35.699
this actually.

849
00:38:35.760 --> 00:38:39.239
Yeah, so there is a, is it series 7 is a tag?

850
00:38:39.360 --> 00:38:40.139
attached attack.

851
00:38:40.260 --> 00:38:41.460
Yeah, but they duck out of it.

852
00:38:41.519 --> 00:38:42.900
Yeah, chicken away from it.

853
00:38:42.960 --> 00:38:44.039
It's so annoying.

854
00:38:44.159 --> 00:38:45.659
Yeah, yeah.

855
00:38:45.719 --> 00:38:50.940
And it is a Star Trek problem, which I think they critique and it

856
00:38:50.940 --> 00:38:56.219
is an absolute reluctance to change the status quo at all.

857
00:38:56.340 --> 00:39:04.559
And so where we are, um, I think that it's partly the era, and I

858
00:39:04.559 --> 00:39:10.380
think that the intention was that this is syndicated TV, like Star

859
00:39:10.380 --> 00:39:16.139
Trek, the original series, and that, I think that that's a problem

860
00:39:16.139 --> 00:39:19.380
for this show is that it's trying to replicate Star Trek, the

861
00:39:19.380 --> 00:39:20.099
original series.

862
00:39:20.159 --> 00:39:25.260
And, you know, when discovery comes and tries to be the flagship

863
00:39:25.260 --> 00:39:28.980
Star Trek show, it absolutely doesn't do that at all.

864
00:39:29.039 --> 00:39:30.599
It just doesn't do that.

865
00:39:30.659 --> 00:39:32.579
And it changes the status quo.

866
00:39:32.639 --> 00:39:35.880
Perhaps to a fault, but even just the regular cast change from

867
00:39:35.880 --> 00:39:37.199
episode to episode.

868
00:39:37.260 --> 00:39:41.519
It's very, very different and much better, whereas nothing happens

869
00:39:41.519 --> 00:39:42.239
to these people.

870
00:39:42.300 --> 00:39:47.340
But you know what's irritating about this is Gates McFadden and

871
00:39:47.340 --> 00:39:49.079
Patrick Stewart have genuine chemistry.

872
00:39:49.139 --> 00:39:54.119
Okay, he's in a position of authority and she's serving on his

873
00:39:54.119 --> 00:39:54.599
ship.

874
00:39:54.659 --> 00:39:58.019
Like there are so many interesting things you could do with this.

875
00:39:58.079 --> 00:40:02.099
And that was clearly the intention because there was also the, you

876
00:40:02.099 --> 00:40:06.360
know, Jack Crusher thing, which gets maybe 3 or 4 mentions during

877
00:40:06.360 --> 00:40:07.920
the 7 years of the show.

878
00:40:07.980 --> 00:40:09.239
Oh my god.

879
00:40:09.300 --> 00:40:12.539
Sorry, I know I'm doing impressions of every season one episode in

880
00:40:12.539 --> 00:40:14.880
this, but do you remember in the naked now when she's in the door

881
00:40:14.880 --> 00:40:17.460
like, oh, I'm so hot.

882
00:40:17.519 --> 00:40:19.619
Oh, Captain, you're going to have to get away from me.

883
00:40:19.679 --> 00:40:22.559
And he's like, not now, doctor.

884
00:40:22.619 --> 00:40:23.340
Please.

885
00:40:24.179 --> 00:40:25.920
So bad.

886
00:40:25.980 --> 00:40:30.960
All of the women in the naked now get horny and all of the men get

887
00:40:30.960 --> 00:40:31.320
drunk.

888
00:40:31.380 --> 00:40:34.619
Like it's really super upsetting.

889
00:40:35.579 --> 00:40:38.280
I don't mind seeing women getting a bit hungry.

890
00:40:38.340 --> 00:40:44.460
Well, I know, but it's just kind of like that super, that, goat

891
00:40:42.480 --> 00:40:44.880
like, letch.

892
00:40:45.000 --> 00:40:48.840
Throughout the 7 years, Troy gets horny quite a bit, you know, if

893
00:40:48.840 --> 00:40:50.219
you ever look for those episodes.

894
00:40:50.699 --> 00:40:52.559
Oh, dear.

895
00:40:52.559 --> 00:40:54.420
Diffron system.

896
00:40:54.480 --> 00:40:55.440
That's so boring.

897
00:40:55.500 --> 00:40:56.099
Who cares?

898
00:40:56.639 --> 00:41:01.019
But you know, I can think of another another episode of Star Trek

899
00:41:01.019 --> 00:41:05.340
that did um, a future that never came to be.

900
00:41:05.340 --> 00:41:06.659
Future imperfect?

901
00:41:06.719 --> 00:41:08.639
No, the visitor.

902
00:41:08.699 --> 00:41:10.440
Oh yeah, okay.

903
00:41:10.500 --> 00:41:15.780
And I, you know, I, you know, I, I lean towards DS9 all the time

904
00:41:15.780 --> 00:41:18.420
but it's, it is done, I think, more deftly.

905
00:41:18.480 --> 00:41:22.139
Well, like with more interesting detail, more interesting

906
00:41:22.139 --> 00:41:23.039
characterisation.

907
00:41:23.099 --> 00:41:29.820
Well, no, because I think that that is a depiction of grief, and

908
00:41:29.820 --> 00:41:36.360
the reason that Cisco keeps coming back to visit Jake is because

909
00:41:36.360 --> 00:41:38.159
that's what grief is like.

910
00:41:38.219 --> 00:41:47.099
And so it's a story about grief that is kind of told as a kind of

911
00:41:47.099 --> 00:41:48.719
weird science fiction story.

912
00:41:48.780 --> 00:41:52.320
You know, like and like a proper science fiction, sorry, not like

913
00:41:52.320 --> 00:41:53.280
an episode of Star Trek.

914
00:41:53.340 --> 00:41:57.119
But it does, it does depict the quadrant changing.

915
00:41:57.179 --> 00:41:59.099
Each time we go into the future.

916
00:41:59.159 --> 00:42:01.860
We learn about like there's there's been a war with the Klingons

917
00:42:01.920 --> 00:42:05.820
there's been shifts with all the major powers and it's really kind

918
00:42:05.820 --> 00:42:07.019
of compellingly told.

919
00:42:07.079 --> 00:42:07.920
Yeah.

920
00:42:07.920 --> 00:42:10.980
And like you said, yeah, it's absolutely a character reason

921
00:42:10.980 --> 00:42:14.460
because Cisco is essentially haunting Jake.

922
00:42:14.519 --> 00:42:15.119
Yes, exactly.

923
00:42:15.179 --> 00:42:15.900
Yeah, yeah.

924
00:42:15.960 --> 00:42:17.340
What's the point of this thing?

925
00:42:17.400 --> 00:42:20.099
Look at look at Riker.

926
00:42:20.159 --> 00:42:21.539
Look at future Riker.

927
00:42:21.599 --> 00:42:25.079
You know how I said how I said when we did Nepenthe?

928
00:42:25.139 --> 00:42:28.260
I said that Riker looks a bit rough and a bit kind of dishevelled

929
00:42:28.260 --> 00:42:32.400
but here he's got his hair slicked back and he just looks fucking

930
00:42:32.400 --> 00:42:33.659
stupid.

931
00:42:33.719 --> 00:42:34.800
Like, it's so bad.

932
00:42:34.860 --> 00:42:37.800
And he's doing that. looks like the sort of person. that would

933
00:42:37.800 --> 00:42:41.340
have one of those mansion houses out in the hills with Paul full

934
00:42:41.340 --> 00:42:42.000
of girls, doesn't he?

935
00:42:42.059 --> 00:42:45.239
He looks like he looks so gross.

936
00:42:45.300 --> 00:42:51.719
And, you know, like, like, Jonathan Frakes is so charming when

937
00:42:51.719 --> 00:42:55.500
he's relaxed and he's wonderfully charming in that episode of

938
00:42:55.500 --> 00:42:56.880
Picard.

939
00:42:56.940 --> 00:43:01.739
You know, just funny and likeable and, you know, this sort of

940
00:43:01.739 --> 00:43:04.980
future grumpy asshole.

941
00:43:05.039 --> 00:43:07.079
Yeah, it's so disappointing.

942
00:43:08.039 --> 00:43:09.840
Well, there we go.

943
00:43:09.900 --> 00:43:10.739
Well, it never happens.

944
00:43:10.800 --> 00:43:11.400
Don't worry.

945
00:43:11.519 --> 00:43:12.480
Thank goodness.

946
00:43:12.539 --> 00:43:14.940
Although, you know, a light date is gray.

947
00:43:15.000 --> 00:43:15.960
You know that's quite nice.

948
00:43:16.019 --> 00:43:17.519
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

949
00:43:17.579 --> 00:43:20.159
Do you know what's interesting about La Forge is?

950
00:43:20.159 --> 00:43:23.940
Even now, even though we got a chance to sketch in loads of detail

951
00:43:23.940 --> 00:43:26.039
and give him lots of cap, no, they don't bother.

952
00:43:26.159 --> 00:43:27.900
He's just there to listen to the Technabel.

953
00:43:27.960 --> 00:43:30.360
Well, he is married to Leah Brahms.

954
00:43:30.420 --> 00:43:36.239
He has some children and he's a novelist, we discover in the 1st

955
00:43:36.239 --> 00:43:37.380
scene that he appears in.

956
00:43:37.500 --> 00:43:39.539
Well, that just shows I won't pay attention at all.

957
00:43:39.599 --> 00:43:42.599
Well, I was probably too busy looking at the beautiful vineyard.

958
00:43:42.659 --> 00:43:46.619
But that's, you know, like we don't care about that.

959
00:43:46.679 --> 00:43:48.539
He back to doing the techni-abble.

960
00:43:48.599 --> 00:43:49.380
But he does it so well.

961
00:43:49.440 --> 00:43:49.800
Yeah.

962
00:43:49.860 --> 00:43:51.059
You remember those episodes?

963
00:43:51.179 --> 00:43:52.500
Oh, my.

964
00:43:52.500 --> 00:43:53.579
Terrible.

965
00:43:53.639 --> 00:43:55.019
Do you remember that?

966
00:43:55.019 --> 00:43:56.280
Do you remember the one where she walked in?

967
00:43:56.280 --> 00:44:00.780
And, uh, just for him, basically, like, with getting a sex doll of

968
00:44:00.780 --> 00:44:01.440
Leah Brahms.

969
00:44:01.980 --> 00:44:05.039
I love the Pasteur.

970
00:44:05.159 --> 00:44:05.940
Look at that ship.

971
00:44:06.239 --> 00:44:09.840
I love the ship, even though it does look a bit like a penis

972
00:44:09.840 --> 00:44:10.559
flying through his face.

973
00:44:11.340 --> 00:44:16.199
But what I really truly love is Captain Beverly Picard.

974
00:44:16.260 --> 00:44:20.579
And I love, love, love the bit where she chews him out in a minute

975
00:44:20.579 --> 00:44:24.719
and says, don't you ever dare contradict me on my bridge.

976
00:44:24.780 --> 00:44:26.760
And look, this, do we hug?

977
00:44:26.820 --> 00:44:27.300
Do we hug?

978
00:44:27.360 --> 00:44:28.619
Yes, of course we hug.

979
00:44:28.739 --> 00:44:32.820
And that's what Riker and Troy's relationship is like.

980
00:44:32.880 --> 00:44:34.260
They had a relationship.

981
00:44:34.320 --> 00:44:35.340
They stopped.

982
00:44:35.400 --> 00:44:40.380
Now they're friends and they're okay with them fucking other

983
00:44:40.380 --> 00:44:41.699
people because they do that all the time.

984
00:44:41.760 --> 00:44:43.380
Can I just say, right?

985
00:44:43.440 --> 00:44:45.539
They've put a comedy beard on Picard.

986
00:44:45.599 --> 00:44:45.840
Yeah.

987
00:44:45.900 --> 00:44:50.699
They've given Riker this hideous, slick back gray hair and latex.

988
00:44:50.760 --> 00:44:53.760
Look how subtle Beverly Crusher's makeup is.

989
00:44:53.820 --> 00:44:57.300
When it's lit well, it looks fantastic.

990
00:44:57.360 --> 00:45:02.340
But sometimes it's overlit and it does look like...

991
00:45:02.340 --> 00:45:02.760
It's not.

992
00:45:02.880 --> 00:45:03.780
Yes, I like it a lot.

993
00:45:03.840 --> 00:45:06.059
And a little bit of gray in her hair.

994
00:45:06.119 --> 00:45:07.559
I think she looks stunning.

995
00:45:07.619 --> 00:45:12.119
Like she looks convincingly old in a way that is super

996
00:45:12.119 --> 00:45:12.780
attractive.

997
00:45:12.840 --> 00:45:13.800
I think she's fantastic.

998
00:45:14.099 --> 00:45:15.900
Your voice is different?

999
00:45:15.960 --> 00:45:17.219
Yeah, yeah.

1000
00:45:17.280 --> 00:45:22.320
Yeah, she's, she's, she's properly acting, which sounds really

1001
00:45:22.320 --> 00:45:22.739
rude.

1002
00:45:22.920 --> 00:45:26.820
Maybe, then the problem is they haven't given her the opportunity

1003
00:45:26.820 --> 00:45:27.780
she should have had.

1004
00:45:27.840 --> 00:45:32.760
Well, she just has to look concerned and say space medicine

1005
00:45:32.760 --> 00:45:33.599
things.

1006
00:45:34.199 --> 00:45:35.880
No, I don't know, though.

1007
00:45:35.940 --> 00:45:37.559
There are...

1008
00:45:37.679 --> 00:45:40.260
Do you remember that episode, ethics, where she has to tell off

1009
00:45:40.260 --> 00:45:43.079
the doctor at the end and say it, and she just kind of stares off

1010
00:45:43.079 --> 00:45:43.559
camera?

1011
00:45:43.619 --> 00:45:46.980
Like she could have had a chance to be furious and, you know

1012
00:45:46.980 --> 00:45:47.880
really give it some.

1013
00:45:48.000 --> 00:45:48.960
Yeah.

1014
00:45:49.019 --> 00:45:49.800
Yeah.

1015
00:45:49.860 --> 00:45:52.980
I mean, they, you know, I guess it's who they cast, isn't it?

1016
00:45:53.039 --> 00:45:56.760
And the fact that the women, well, once Tasha's gone, the women

1017
00:45:56.760 --> 00:46:00.059
are just in sort of caring roles and they're a bit sidelined.

1018
00:46:00.119 --> 00:46:02.579
But I think she's very good here.

1019
00:46:02.639 --> 00:46:04.139
And I think she's great.

1020
00:46:04.260 --> 00:46:11.820
You know, I admired her style of command in descent part 2 and it

1021
00:46:11.820 --> 00:46:15.840
looks like those terrible technobabble scenes.

1022
00:46:15.840 --> 00:46:16.800
I know they're boring.

1023
00:46:16.860 --> 00:46:19.500
But there was some kind of character stuff happening there.

1024
00:46:19.559 --> 00:46:22.440
And it was giving Beverly something new to do.

1025
00:46:22.500 --> 00:46:27.900
And, you know, almost a change in the status quo in Star Trek Next

1026
00:46:27.900 --> 00:46:28.260
Generation.

1027
00:46:28.320 --> 00:46:28.800
Imagine that.

1028
00:46:28.860 --> 00:46:33.599
But here they've lent into that. you know, that's theological

1029
00:46:33.599 --> 00:46:33.960
conclusion.

1030
00:46:34.019 --> 00:46:36.480
Can I pre-empt a scene that's coming later, right?

1031
00:46:36.539 --> 00:46:39.659
Because what I think happens is Beverly Crusher has a look at Rosa

1032
00:46:39.659 --> 00:46:40.500
for the day, right?

1033
00:46:40.559 --> 00:46:44.340
And then she has to choose which member of her crew is going to

1034
00:46:44.340 --> 00:46:47.219
sit at the console that explodes if they get into any trouble

1035
00:46:47.219 --> 00:46:47.880
whatsoever.

1036
00:46:48.000 --> 00:46:50.340
So she'd be slating console.

1037
00:46:50.400 --> 00:46:55.019
She puts that very robotic ensign there because she's like, well, I

1038
00:46:55.019 --> 00:46:57.059
don't like her very much and we're probably going to get into

1039
00:46:57.059 --> 00:46:57.599
Trump.

1040
00:46:57.659 --> 00:46:58.619
Honest to God.

1041
00:46:58.679 --> 00:47:00.960
I was like, really, are we still doing this?

1042
00:47:01.019 --> 00:47:03.000
bloody exploding consoles.

1043
00:47:03.059 --> 00:47:04.260
I mean, there weren't any war.

1044
00:47:04.320 --> 00:47:05.940
Weren't anybody right?

1045
00:47:05.940 --> 00:47:06.780
moved on from that.

1046
00:47:06.780 --> 00:47:07.019
No.

1047
00:47:07.079 --> 00:47:08.039
Yeah, yeah.

1048
00:47:08.039 --> 00:47:08.820
Oh my word.

1049
00:47:08.880 --> 00:47:10.679
Yeah, I didn't think of that.

1050
00:47:10.739 --> 00:47:14.519
But I do remember being a bit surprised that she was killed.

1051
00:47:14.579 --> 00:47:16.019
I didn't remember that.

1052
00:47:16.079 --> 00:47:18.539
Yeah, and the makeup is grisly as well.

1053
00:47:18.599 --> 00:47:20.039
Yeah, it is a bit grizzly.

1054
00:47:20.099 --> 00:47:20.820
It sort of surprising.

1055
00:47:20.880 --> 00:47:24.300
Every now and again, Next Generation will do something like really

1056
00:47:24.300 --> 00:47:25.500
graphic, like that.

1057
00:47:25.619 --> 00:47:29.219
I remember I said that sequence in your favourite Genesis, what

1058
00:47:29.219 --> 00:47:30.239
they all turn into monsters.

1059
00:47:30.300 --> 00:47:33.539
And there's someone sitting at the console with all their chests

1060
00:47:33.539 --> 00:47:33.900
ripped open.

1061
00:47:34.800 --> 00:47:36.659
That's it.

1062
00:47:36.719 --> 00:47:37.800
Oh dear.

1063
00:47:37.860 --> 00:47:40.500
And remember what's his face in conspiracy?

1064
00:47:40.559 --> 00:47:45.179
Oh, that was the that was the most grisliest Remy moment ever.

1065
00:47:45.239 --> 00:47:45.900
Yeah, yeah.

1066
00:47:46.500 --> 00:47:46.980
Here we go.

1067
00:47:47.039 --> 00:47:50.099
We're going into a full on encounter of PowerPoint now.

1068
00:47:50.159 --> 00:47:51.360
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1069
00:47:51.420 --> 00:47:51.840
Yeah.

1070
00:47:51.900 --> 00:47:55.679
I wonder if they got the same actors back playing, you know, the I

1071
00:47:55.679 --> 00:47:56.219
doubt it.

1072
00:47:56.280 --> 00:47:59.159
This is, now, am I wrong?

1073
00:47:59.219 --> 00:48:04.079
I had meant to go back and check this, but this is the cheap arse

1074
00:48:04.079 --> 00:48:09.119
corner of the studio version of that scene from, and I think it

1075
00:48:09.119 --> 00:48:10.260
looks substantially worse.

1076
00:48:10.320 --> 00:48:11.880
It's a much smaller place.

1077
00:48:11.940 --> 00:48:18.480
They don't do the thing with Q on the big crane coming in.

1078
00:48:18.539 --> 00:48:22.199
They just have that incredibly shitty special effect against a

1079
00:48:22.199 --> 00:48:25.980
black background so they can just mat him in and then only I have

1080
00:48:25.980 --> 00:48:27.300
him there when it arrives.

1081
00:48:27.360 --> 00:48:29.159
I think this is cheap as shit.

1082
00:48:29.280 --> 00:48:32.579
I'm going to be fair to this episode, though, and I think you're

1083
00:48:32.579 --> 00:48:35.099
right, and it does look very impressive, but that is one of the

1084
00:48:35.099 --> 00:48:35.940
big set pieces of that.

1085
00:48:36.000 --> 00:48:38.760
Whereas this is filming out in the vineyard.

1086
00:48:38.820 --> 00:48:40.139
There's Beverly Crush's ship.

1087
00:48:40.199 --> 00:48:40.800
They've got to build.

1088
00:48:40.860 --> 00:48:43.559
They go to Prime Audio Bridge redressed.

1089
00:48:43.619 --> 00:48:45.000
They painted the Battle Bridge blue.

1090
00:48:45.059 --> 00:48:47.159
They build primordial earth.

1091
00:48:47.280 --> 00:48:49.440
Like, they do enough in this.

1092
00:48:49.500 --> 00:48:51.960
You know, like, come a bit of slack.

1093
00:48:52.019 --> 00:48:58.440
Don't you think it's slightly depressing that they revisit a scene

1094
00:48:58.440 --> 00:49:02.280
from Encounter at Farpoint and it looks substantially worse than

1095
00:49:02.280 --> 00:49:03.480
it did 7 years ago?

1096
00:49:03.659 --> 00:49:06.539
I think we're just supposed to be thrilled that.

1097
00:49:06.539 --> 00:49:10.079
They are revisiting the scene in the 1st place, although it was so

1098
00:49:10.079 --> 00:49:11.219
dreadful, that scene.

1099
00:49:12.900 --> 00:49:18.360
I do like, like, I will always applaud seeing John Delancey

1100
00:49:18.360 --> 00:49:18.539
though.

1101
00:49:18.599 --> 00:49:19.440
Oh, yeah, yeah.

1102
00:49:19.500 --> 00:49:22.920
You know, like, I don't think every cue episode is amazing, but I

1103
00:49:22.920 --> 00:49:24.900
think he's always incredibly charismatic.

1104
00:49:24.960 --> 00:49:25.440
Yeah.

1105
00:49:25.500 --> 00:49:28.619
Is there a Gene Luck Pickered here?

1106
00:49:31.019 --> 00:49:35.219
That scene in tapestry where he wakes up in bed with him.

1107
00:49:35.519 --> 00:49:42.539
He says, good morning, darling. pulls the covers up to hide his

1108
00:49:42.539 --> 00:49:42.960
shame.

1109
00:49:43.019 --> 00:49:44.280
Although, do you know what?

1110
00:49:44.340 --> 00:49:45.059
I'm gonna be honest.

1111
00:49:45.119 --> 00:49:48.300
I think he's got even better chemistry with Kate Mulgrew, you

1112
00:49:48.300 --> 00:49:48.480
know.

1113
00:49:48.539 --> 00:49:51.960
Yeah, except that 1st episode with Kate Mulgrew, where he's just

1114
00:49:51.960 --> 00:49:58.320
grossly sexist to her the whole time is hugely unfortunate.

1115
00:49:58.380 --> 00:50:00.659
It's just like, oh, we've got a lady captain.

1116
00:50:00.719 --> 00:50:02.699
So we'll make lady jokes.

1117
00:50:02.760 --> 00:50:06.179
You know, like... deeply inappropriate, but that sequence where it

1118
00:50:06.179 --> 00:50:07.559
materialises in her bath.

1119
00:50:07.619 --> 00:50:08.760
I laugh every single time.

1120
00:50:08.820 --> 00:50:12.900
And the bit where Susie Q comes along, oh, Susie uh, Susie Q

1121
00:50:12.900 --> 00:50:14.579
yeah.

1122
00:50:14.639 --> 00:50:15.059
Yeah, of course.

1123
00:50:16.019 --> 00:50:18.659
And she goes, what is it?

1124
00:50:18.840 --> 00:50:20.880
Put that dog down.

1125
00:50:20.940 --> 00:50:22.739
No, I'm not talking about the puppy.

1126
00:50:22.800 --> 00:50:24.000
Oh, yeah.

1127
00:50:25.079 --> 00:50:29.159
Well, he turns, he turns, he does turn.

1128
00:50:29.219 --> 00:50:30.659
Is it...

1129
00:50:30.719 --> 00:50:34.320
What's the episode with Amanda, the young Q?

1130
00:50:34.320 --> 00:50:36.719
Like in a late...

1131
00:50:36.780 --> 00:50:37.980
True Q. right.

1132
00:50:38.039 --> 00:50:40.199
I think that people give it credit.

1133
00:50:40.260 --> 00:50:41.400
Oh, no, I think it's okay.

1134
00:50:41.460 --> 00:50:43.440
He turns Beverly into a dog.

1135
00:50:43.500 --> 00:50:44.639
Doesn't he turn down?

1136
00:50:44.760 --> 00:50:45.059
enough.

1137
00:50:45.119 --> 00:50:48.480
I think the best queue episode is...

1138
00:50:48.539 --> 00:50:49.380
Oh, okay.

1139
00:50:49.619 --> 00:50:51.599
Shocking.

1140
00:50:51.599 --> 00:50:56.820
I mean, it's it gets points for skewing Wesley Crusher. at one

1141
00:50:56.820 --> 00:50:57.000
point.

1142
00:50:57.059 --> 00:50:57.840
So bad.

1143
00:50:57.840 --> 00:51:00.300
But that's the, remember that was singing I told you about Tashi R

1144
00:51:00.300 --> 00:51:01.139
and the penalty box.

1145
00:51:01.199 --> 00:51:03.659
She's like, oh, if you weren't a captain.

1146
00:51:04.199 --> 00:51:05.880
I'd go there.

1147
00:51:05.940 --> 00:51:08.880
Everyone's trying to have sex with Patrick, you know, yeah.

1148
00:51:08.940 --> 00:51:12.719
But no, the best one is, I think, the one where Q loses his

1149
00:51:12.719 --> 00:51:13.079
powers.

1150
00:51:13.139 --> 00:51:15.960
It's hilariously funny episode.

1151
00:51:16.019 --> 00:51:18.239
Guy and stabs him with a fork.

1152
00:51:19.860 --> 00:51:23.280
Oh, Q Who is pretty good too, isn't it?

1153
00:51:23.340 --> 00:51:24.300
Oh, Q, it's amazing.

1154
00:51:24.360 --> 00:51:25.679
But it's not really about Q, is it?

1155
00:51:25.739 --> 00:51:26.400
No, really.

1156
00:51:26.460 --> 00:51:28.079
No, he's just there to kind of...

1157
00:51:28.079 --> 00:51:31.860
But I do kind of like that he actually is the one who introduces

1158
00:51:31.860 --> 00:51:33.420
the Borg to humanity.

1159
00:51:33.480 --> 00:51:35.400
And so he puts them all at threat.

1160
00:51:35.460 --> 00:51:38.519
He's responsible for that and then they start heading towards us.

1161
00:51:38.579 --> 00:51:43.559
And that is a thing that they do in series 2 and 3, the Borg are

1162
00:51:43.559 --> 00:51:44.219
on their way.

1163
00:51:44.280 --> 00:51:48.480
And it's only a few references, but it's that's good.

1164
00:51:48.539 --> 00:51:51.780
I mean, to be fair, so I went at prizes for, though, really

1165
00:51:51.780 --> 00:51:55.500
remember, regeneration, they're the ones that those 1st contact

1166
00:51:55.500 --> 00:51:55.980
balls.

1167
00:51:56.039 --> 00:51:57.119
Yeah, yeah.

1168
00:51:57.119 --> 00:51:58.440
Let them know where Earth was.

1169
00:51:58.679 --> 00:52:02.039
There is a free line with you, though, which I quite like with

1170
00:52:02.039 --> 00:52:02.340
this.

1171
00:52:02.400 --> 00:52:06.420
And it is all to do with Picard and humanity and kind of pushing

1172
00:52:06.420 --> 00:52:09.719
them in the right direction or to see if they've got the right

1173
00:52:09.719 --> 00:52:10.199
stuff.

1174
00:52:10.260 --> 00:52:13.559
And that is, is there an encounter PowerPoint?

1175
00:52:13.619 --> 00:52:16.500
I definitely there in Qhu because they want to see if Picard can

1176
00:52:16.500 --> 00:52:17.579
make a tough call.

1177
00:52:17.699 --> 00:52:22.619
And it is here where he's essentially manipulated into a situation

1178
00:52:22.619 --> 00:52:25.019
where he has to think completely outside the box.

1179
00:52:25.079 --> 00:52:26.219
Yeah.

1180
00:52:26.280 --> 00:52:32.699
So I don't think that either encounter at Farpoint or this work

1181
00:52:32.699 --> 00:52:37.260
because like they're being presented with a thrilling new

1182
00:52:37.260 --> 00:52:41.099
situation and it's like a fucking jellyfish or something and who

1183
00:52:41.099 --> 00:52:41.760
gives a shit.

1184
00:52:41.820 --> 00:52:43.440
Like, it's like, and what were they going to do?

1185
00:52:43.500 --> 00:52:46.500
Like, ooh, it turned out to be a jellyfish and that's never

1186
00:52:46.500 --> 00:52:50.820
happened in a Star Trek episode before and Picard managed to not

1187
00:52:50.820 --> 00:52:52.679
shit the bed while dealing with it.

1188
00:52:52.800 --> 00:52:54.719
And so humanity gets another chance.

1189
00:52:54.780 --> 00:52:56.460
I mean, that's kind of a bit crap.

1190
00:52:56.519 --> 00:52:57.840
And then he...

1191
00:52:57.840 --> 00:52:58.980
I mean, it was their 1st episode.

1192
00:52:59.039 --> 00:53:00.599
I'm some slack, all right?

1193
00:53:00.659 --> 00:53:02.519
It is a bad 1st episode though.

1194
00:53:02.579 --> 00:53:07.260
And then here, like it's a space thing.

1195
00:53:07.320 --> 00:53:12.780
And it's just like, you, so this, like, do you know what?

1196
00:53:12.840 --> 00:53:15.480
They're trying to do many, they're trying to do things to make

1197
00:53:15.480 --> 00:53:19.199
that anomally interesting, i.e. having it start in the future and

1198
00:53:19.199 --> 00:53:23.760
go back in time, which is good. a fun idea. revelatory, but it's

1199
00:53:23.760 --> 00:53:23.940
fun.

1200
00:53:24.000 --> 00:53:28.500
So this is the scene that I'm talking about where I think it's

1201
00:53:28.500 --> 00:53:33.539
critiquing the show where doesn't he say you had all this, I don't

1202
00:53:33.539 --> 00:53:36.659
know if we've talked over it or whether it comes later, but he

1203
00:53:36.659 --> 00:53:40.139
says, you know, you had all this potential, but you've squandered

1204
00:53:40.139 --> 00:53:40.380
it.

1205
00:53:40.440 --> 00:53:42.420
What have you done for the last 7 years?

1206
00:53:42.480 --> 00:53:46.559
You've had, you know, datas, witless thing about being human?

1207
00:53:46.619 --> 00:53:50.219
I can't even remember what it is, like Geordie trying to fuck on

1208
00:53:50.219 --> 00:53:51.719
the holodeck, you know?

1209
00:53:51.719 --> 00:53:55.260
I don't think that's generating chocolate, if I'm honest.

1210
00:53:55.320 --> 00:53:57.360
Well, no, I don't know, but something like that.

1211
00:53:57.420 --> 00:53:59.760
And it is kind of that.

1212
00:53:59.820 --> 00:54:05.280
It is sort of saying in some way, all you've done is space

1213
00:54:05.280 --> 00:54:07.260
problems for the last 7 years.

1214
00:54:07.320 --> 00:54:11.699
You've had all this potential, but all you did was just do the

1215
00:54:11.699 --> 00:54:13.440
same thing week after week.

1216
00:54:13.559 --> 00:54:21.420
And that's a reasonable critique of this show, which doesn't

1217
00:54:21.420 --> 00:54:25.800
aspire to do anything other than, you know, entertaining space

1218
00:54:25.800 --> 00:54:26.880
problems every week.

1219
00:54:26.880 --> 00:54:29.880
And it certainly doesn't change its characters in any way.

1220
00:54:29.940 --> 00:54:31.380
Promoting.

1221
00:54:31.380 --> 00:54:32.340
That is a critique, though.

1222
00:54:32.400 --> 00:54:33.360
If that's a critique.

1223
00:54:33.420 --> 00:54:37.019
I think that's the writer's looking back and saying maybe we

1224
00:54:37.019 --> 00:54:39.420
weren't as creative as we could have been.

1225
00:54:39.480 --> 00:54:43.380
It's certainly not the audience because this was riding high at

1226
00:54:43.380 --> 00:54:44.340
this point, you know?

1227
00:54:44.400 --> 00:54:47.400
So it's not them responding to any kind of criticism they're

1228
00:54:47.400 --> 00:54:47.579
getting.

1229
00:54:47.639 --> 00:54:48.239
No.

1230
00:54:48.239 --> 00:54:52.440
And like, let's let's think about Voyager.

1231
00:54:52.500 --> 00:54:56.039
Does Voyager make the same mistakes because it does change the

1232
00:54:56.039 --> 00:54:58.800
status quo over the course of its run.

1233
00:54:58.860 --> 00:55:01.079
We have different parts of space.

1234
00:55:01.139 --> 00:55:03.179
We have different adversaries.

1235
00:55:03.239 --> 00:55:08.099
We learn, we get 7 coming along and shaking things up.

1236
00:55:08.159 --> 00:55:10.139
We have.

1237
00:55:10.199 --> 00:55:11.699
We basically tell the same kind of episodes.

1238
00:55:11.760 --> 00:55:17.880
But yes, and the characters don't really develop in any way.

1239
00:55:17.940 --> 00:55:19.500
I mean, even substantial way.

1240
00:55:19.559 --> 00:55:21.420
No, even the fact the marriage.

1241
00:55:21.420 --> 00:55:23.039
I'd say what?

1242
00:55:23.039 --> 00:55:27.420
The most developed character of Voyager is less developed than

1243
00:55:27.420 --> 00:55:28.980
someone like Nog in DS9.

1244
00:55:28.980 --> 00:55:29.820
Yeah.

1245
00:55:29.880 --> 00:55:30.420
Yeah.

1246
00:55:30.480 --> 00:55:31.199
Yeah.

1247
00:55:31.260 --> 00:55:37.079
And I think it's because perhaps they're already envisaging a

1248
00:55:37.079 --> 00:55:40.139
version of Star Trek that doesn't do that, that does change the

1249
00:55:40.139 --> 00:55:41.579
status quo all the time.

1250
00:55:41.639 --> 00:55:44.760
And they perhaps don't yet know.

1251
00:55:44.820 --> 00:55:46.619
Oh, there's that ensign.

1252
00:55:48.000 --> 00:55:49.619
What's her name?

1253
00:55:49.679 --> 00:55:51.420
She turns up.

1254
00:55:51.420 --> 00:55:52.139
She's there all the time.

1255
00:55:52.199 --> 00:55:53.760
I'm glad she's here in the last episode.

1256
00:55:53.820 --> 00:55:55.860
That's not ancient Sonia Gomez, is it?

1257
00:55:55.920 --> 00:55:57.900
She's the one who gets the hot chocolate thrown all over her.

1258
00:55:57.960 --> 00:55:59.159
Yeah, that's right.

1259
00:55:59.219 --> 00:56:01.139
And she's in Lodex, obviously.

1260
00:56:01.199 --> 00:56:02.579
Have you noticed what I'm doing in this?

1261
00:56:02.639 --> 00:56:04.500
Because it's the end of Next Generation.

1262
00:56:04.559 --> 00:56:07.440
I'll mention in pretty much every single episode in the entire

1263
00:56:07.440 --> 00:56:07.920
run.

1264
00:56:08.099 --> 00:56:14.940
So, I remember right, because I saw this at the time, and I can't

1265
00:56:14.940 --> 00:56:18.179
remember how I watched this show.

1266
00:56:18.239 --> 00:56:19.619
Oh, look at Wharf.

1267
00:56:19.679 --> 00:56:20.219
He's looking great.

1268
00:56:20.280 --> 00:56:24.119
No, I like his shaggy gray hair.

1269
00:56:24.179 --> 00:56:25.920
Yeah, very distinctive.

1270
00:56:25.980 --> 00:56:26.340
Yeah.

1271
00:56:26.340 --> 00:56:32.880
Um, I remember speculating as the show went on about how it would

1272
00:56:32.880 --> 00:56:33.239
end.

1273
00:56:33.300 --> 00:56:35.460
You know, how are we going to end this?

1274
00:56:35.639 --> 00:56:41.579
And for me, the only really interesting political thing that

1275
00:56:41.579 --> 00:56:42.059
happened.

1276
00:56:42.179 --> 00:56:46.320
For me, like that thing that I said earlier on this episode about

1277
00:56:46.320 --> 00:56:51.119
the piece with the Klingons, being a real development towards kind

1278
00:56:51.119 --> 00:56:53.159
of internationalism and peace and stuff like that.

1279
00:56:53.219 --> 00:56:56.820
And the closest that Star Trek, the next generation ever comes to

1280
00:56:56.820 --> 00:57:00.539
that is in unification, where we're looking forward.

1281
00:57:00.599 --> 00:57:06.719
We have this kind of totalitarian state, like Romulus is portrayed

1282
00:57:06.719 --> 00:57:09.179
like Russia, it has a secret police and all of that sort of

1283
00:57:09.179 --> 00:57:09.420
thing.

1284
00:57:09.480 --> 00:57:11.340
And you know what, though?

1285
00:57:11.400 --> 00:57:13.320
Unification is really boring.

1286
00:57:13.440 --> 00:57:14.699
Yeah, it is really boring.

1287
00:57:14.760 --> 00:57:18.239
But that's that's Star Trek, the Next Generation's failure mode. is

1288
00:57:18.239 --> 00:57:20.039
just standing around talking, being boring.

1289
00:57:20.699 --> 00:57:23.579
But that's the closest that we get.

1290
00:57:23.639 --> 00:57:29.039
You know, and so I imagined that something would happen, that that

1291
00:57:29.039 --> 00:57:32.519
perhaps, um, once Tasha's daughter called.

1292
00:57:32.579 --> 00:57:33.239
I can't even remember.

1293
00:57:33.300 --> 00:57:36.659
Oh, is she Ishira, Ishara, something like that.

1294
00:57:36.719 --> 00:57:37.679
I can't remember.

1295
00:57:37.739 --> 00:57:43.139
Um, uh, and, and like nothing, nothing ha, like I thought maybe

1296
00:57:43.139 --> 00:57:43.980
she would be back.

1297
00:57:44.039 --> 00:57:47.639
I thought maybe that we would get something about what the show

1298
00:57:47.639 --> 00:57:53.760
had been about, that the show had been about, you know, like a

1299
00:57:53.760 --> 00:58:00.300
kind of, like international cooperation and peace and stuff like

1300
00:58:00.300 --> 00:58:00.599
that.

1301
00:58:00.659 --> 00:58:06.539
And right from the 1st episode, we're friends with our adversaries

1302
00:58:06.539 --> 00:58:09.719
and we introduced the Romulans at the end of series one, and I

1303
00:58:09.719 --> 00:58:11.880
thought maybe something would happen about that.

1304
00:58:11.940 --> 00:58:18.659
And so that the show would end as it started about the Starfleet

1305
00:58:18.659 --> 00:58:22.079
ideals instead of about a fucking space normally.

1306
00:58:22.199 --> 00:58:24.900
To be fair, like even DS9 doesn't do that.

1307
00:58:24.960 --> 00:58:28.920
What DS9 decides to do, ultimately, is be a massive game of risk

1308
00:58:28.920 --> 00:58:33.179
with the outer quadrant, with the great powers all going at each

1309
00:58:33.179 --> 00:58:34.260
other and sure.

1310
00:58:34.320 --> 00:58:37.860
And it has that, it has to resolve that and it does that with

1311
00:58:37.860 --> 00:58:38.880
varying degrees of success.

1312
00:58:39.059 --> 00:58:45.599
But with DS9 series 7, I was mega into Phantom at this point and

1313
00:58:45.599 --> 00:58:46.800
forums and things.

1314
00:58:46.860 --> 00:58:49.320
And there was, you know, because there's so much, there was huge

1315
00:58:49.320 --> 00:58:50.280
speculation.

1316
00:58:50.340 --> 00:58:52.139
How's the Dominion war going to win?

1317
00:58:52.199 --> 00:58:53.280
Who's going to live and die?

1318
00:58:53.340 --> 00:58:55.260
I bet there was none of this here.

1319
00:58:55.320 --> 00:58:56.460
No, no.

1320
00:58:56.519 --> 00:59:01.139
And this kind of throws away the interesting thing from series one

1321
00:59:01.139 --> 00:59:04.139
because it says in 25 years will be at world with the Klingons

1322
00:59:04.139 --> 00:59:04.500
again.

1323
00:59:04.559 --> 00:59:07.800
And you kind of think, oh, well, you know, like that wasn't about

1324
00:59:07.800 --> 00:59:08.699
anything then.

1325
00:59:08.760 --> 00:59:14.039
And I think the problem is, again, that Berman is not interested

1326
00:59:14.039 --> 00:59:20.460
in Braga either, and not interested in the utopian socialism of

1327
00:59:20.460 --> 00:59:23.280
you know, the Star Trek.

1328
00:59:23.340 --> 00:59:28.980
No, when they finally get shot. you truly do a season-long art

1329
00:59:28.980 --> 00:59:32.460
they do enterprise free and it's keeping in completely the other

1330
00:59:32.460 --> 00:59:33.300
direction, isn't it?

1331
00:59:33.420 --> 00:59:35.099
Yeah, well, they throw it away.

1332
00:59:35.159 --> 00:59:38.579
They go back to a pre-federation time for their own show when they

1333
00:59:38.579 --> 00:59:39.480
create their own show.

1334
00:59:39.539 --> 00:59:45.780
John Billingsley fabulously critiques that in the Trek geeks

1335
00:59:45.780 --> 00:59:48.300
podcast interview and everyone should go check that out.

1336
00:59:48.360 --> 00:59:49.139
Oh, good.

1337
00:59:49.199 --> 00:59:49.920
He was so great.

1338
00:59:49.980 --> 00:59:51.960
He's so eloquent about it as well.

1339
00:59:52.019 --> 00:59:53.159
He's not just going, this is shit.

1340
00:59:53.219 --> 00:59:54.059
He hasn't.

1341
00:59:54.059 --> 00:59:56.039
He says, I love Star Trek.

1342
00:59:56.099 --> 00:59:57.239
That's not Star Trek.

1343
00:59:57.300 --> 00:59:59.039
Yeah, he's probably political.

1344
00:59:59.039 --> 01:00:02.460
And he swears even more than we do, which I think is so great.

1345
01:00:02.519 --> 01:00:07.320
Here's here's Arsenal of freedom here or arsehole of freedom, as

1346
01:00:07.320 --> 01:00:08.099
we used to call it.

1347
01:00:08.519 --> 01:00:12.000
Do you remember those fuck, they had those pair drives?

1348
01:00:12.059 --> 01:00:15.480
Super weapons that were flying through the fire. or something?

1349
01:00:15.480 --> 01:00:16.619
Like it's...

1350
01:00:16.619 --> 01:00:20.639
It was one of those dreadful studio forests, wasn't it?

1351
01:00:20.699 --> 01:00:21.539
that looked really awful.

1352
01:00:21.599 --> 01:00:24.539
Yeah, because of the sky, they had the sky.

1353
01:00:24.599 --> 01:00:26.340
I should point out at this point, we both love the next

1354
01:00:26.340 --> 01:00:26.760
generation.

1355
01:00:26.820 --> 01:00:27.179
Okay?

1356
01:00:27.239 --> 01:00:28.440
Yeah, I love it today.

1357
01:00:28.440 --> 01:00:30.059
Massively quick.

1358
01:00:33.119 --> 01:00:34.619
We love these characters.

1359
01:00:34.860 --> 01:00:39.659
So now we get now we get to see the scene where Deanna tells

1360
01:00:39.659 --> 01:00:45.239
Picard that her and Riker used to bone and it's super boring.

1361
01:00:45.300 --> 01:00:47.880
It makes you think, thank goodness they left this out of

1362
01:00:47.880 --> 01:00:48.659
encountered.

1363
01:00:48.719 --> 01:00:49.019
You know what?

1364
01:00:49.920 --> 01:00:52.800
You know, I've lamented the fact that they didn't have all this

1365
01:00:52.800 --> 01:00:57.360
sort of interpersonal stuff going on from, given what we get in

1366
01:00:57.360 --> 01:00:57.960
this episode.

1367
01:00:58.019 --> 01:00:59.579
Maybe that's a good thing.

1368
01:00:59.639 --> 01:01:02.400
I don't really want to see a season-long art with Riker and War

1369
01:01:02.400 --> 01:01:04.679
fighting over Troy.

1370
01:01:04.800 --> 01:01:06.059
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1371
01:01:06.119 --> 01:01:06.719
Oh my god.

1372
01:01:06.780 --> 01:01:08.039
This Romanan character.

1373
01:01:08.099 --> 01:01:11.760
He gets such a good line in a minute where he's like, oh, you

1374
01:01:11.760 --> 01:01:13.139
going to tell the Federation about this?

1375
01:01:13.199 --> 01:01:15.539
No, he's like, hmm, then I approve.

1376
01:01:15.599 --> 01:01:16.139
Let's do it.

1377
01:01:16.500 --> 01:01:18.780
It was really fun.

1378
01:01:18.840 --> 01:01:23.519
So this is Andreas Katsulas, who we last saw in cogenitor as the

1379
01:01:23.519 --> 01:01:27.360
serene leader of those repressive aliens.

1380
01:01:27.480 --> 01:01:29.460
Look at his crazy eyes.

1381
01:01:29.519 --> 01:01:31.199
Yeah, I want to run for his money.

1382
01:01:31.260 --> 01:01:33.420
Well, he's just kind of going for it.

1383
01:01:33.480 --> 01:01:36.059
He never acts like this in his previous episodes.

1384
01:01:36.179 --> 01:01:39.119
He is in Future Imperfect.

1385
01:01:39.179 --> 01:01:42.000
He is in maybe the enemy.

1386
01:01:42.059 --> 01:01:46.139
He's in a couple of like only a small number of them.

1387
01:01:46.199 --> 01:01:50.460
He's like their stock Romulan character with a voice.

1388
01:01:50.519 --> 01:01:51.719
Yeah, that's right.

1389
01:01:51.780 --> 01:01:53.039
But now he's decided.

1390
01:01:53.340 --> 01:01:56.099
Oh, fuck this, it's the final episode and I'm just going to go for

1391
01:01:56.099 --> 01:01:56.280
it.

1392
01:01:56.340 --> 01:01:57.599
Yeah, that's right.

1393
01:01:58.320 --> 01:01:59.880
Why not?

1394
01:01:59.940 --> 01:02:01.500
Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.

1395
01:02:01.500 --> 01:02:03.059
I mean, it's incredibly watch.

1396
01:02:03.119 --> 01:02:05.039
If not authentic. very watchable.

1397
01:02:05.099 --> 01:02:05.940
He's great.

1398
01:02:06.000 --> 01:02:09.059
I mean, he's terrific in that...

1399
01:02:09.119 --> 01:02:12.659
This episode could do with a bit more charm and a bit more humour

1400
01:02:12.659 --> 01:02:12.960
like that.

1401
01:02:13.019 --> 01:02:15.719
It's very, very serious impulse this episode.

1402
01:02:15.780 --> 01:02:17.219
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1403
01:02:17.280 --> 01:02:20.760
And here's me saying it should have been more about geopolitics or

1404
01:02:20.760 --> 01:02:22.500
whatever and maybe that's boring too.

1405
01:02:22.559 --> 01:02:25.679
But nothing is boring as a space anomaly.

1406
01:02:25.980 --> 01:02:28.019
Now, excuse me.

1407
01:02:28.079 --> 01:02:30.719
If you want me to go forever other Voyager episode, I can tell you

1408
01:02:30.719 --> 01:02:32.760
about some thrilling space anomalies that are coming up.

1409
01:02:32.820 --> 01:02:36.719
Well, in fact, I'm loving Deep Space, Deep Space 9, Jesus Christ.

1410
01:02:36.780 --> 01:02:40.920
I'm loving Discovery season four, which is, again, about a space

1411
01:02:40.920 --> 01:02:41.639
anomaly.

1412
01:02:41.699 --> 01:02:42.539
Is it?

1413
01:02:42.599 --> 01:02:43.440
Yeah.

1414
01:02:43.500 --> 01:02:48.539
In fact, episode 2 is called anomaly. which is the 1st episode

1415
01:02:48.539 --> 01:02:52.619
title ever to be reused in the history of Star Trek.

1416
01:02:52.679 --> 01:02:55.380
I wonder if it was an Enterprise episode. episode called.

1417
01:02:55.440 --> 01:02:57.300
Yeah, very good episode as well. enjoyed that.

1418
01:02:57.360 --> 01:03:00.900
Well, it's a great episode in series four, and the big villain

1419
01:03:00.900 --> 01:03:03.960
this season is the DMA, the Dark Matter anomaly.

1420
01:03:04.019 --> 01:03:06.599
So there's anomalies all over the place.

1421
01:03:06.659 --> 01:03:10.260
But this is a super boring anomaly that merely exists to make the

1422
01:03:10.260 --> 01:03:10.860
plot happen.

1423
01:03:10.920 --> 01:03:12.000
No, wait.

1424
01:03:12.179 --> 01:03:16.440
So, well, because it's not, it's not affecting them, is it?

1425
01:03:16.440 --> 01:03:19.920
In any way. sometimes when an anomally makes them act out of

1426
01:03:19.920 --> 01:03:25.079
character or, you know, they can do fun things with anomalies.

1427
01:03:25.139 --> 01:03:28.440
Remember that, that anomaly in Remember Me that makes everyone on

1428
01:03:28.440 --> 01:03:29.639
the crew.

1429
01:03:29.639 --> 01:03:30.179
Vanish one.

1430
01:03:30.179 --> 01:03:33.360
And then a fabulous scene where Picard says to Beverly Crusher, oh

1431
01:03:33.360 --> 01:03:35.460
you and I are the only 2 people on the Enterprise, Beverly.

1432
01:03:35.519 --> 01:03:36.360
Yeah.

1433
01:03:36.420 --> 01:03:38.039
See, I got another one in there.

1434
01:03:38.099 --> 01:03:39.840
Yeah, it's a good episode.

1435
01:03:39.900 --> 01:03:41.099
It is a good episode.

1436
01:03:41.159 --> 01:03:42.179
But...

1437
01:03:42.179 --> 01:03:48.480
So this anomaly is caused by scanning this anomaly.

1438
01:03:48.539 --> 01:03:52.500
So the 3 ships scan this anomaly and cause this anomaly.

1439
01:03:53.280 --> 01:03:58.079
So cause and effect because it's a time anomaly work differently.

1440
01:03:58.139 --> 01:04:02.639
So they cause it by observing it, even though observing it happens

1441
01:04:02.639 --> 01:04:04.739
after they've caused it.

1442
01:04:04.800 --> 01:04:07.440
And getting a headache.

1443
01:04:07.500 --> 01:04:13.920
But Q is making Picard go back and forwards in time so he can

1444
01:04:13.920 --> 01:04:15.420
solve it.

1445
01:04:15.480 --> 01:04:23.579
And Q wants him to think new thoughts and expand his horizons.

1446
01:04:23.639 --> 01:04:25.139
And at the end...

1447
01:04:25.260 --> 01:04:31.559
He wants them to all go in and like dare to commit suicide in

1448
01:04:31.559 --> 01:04:32.760
order to solve the problem.

1449
01:04:32.820 --> 01:04:34.380
Who gives something?

1450
01:04:34.440 --> 01:04:40.619
You know, like it's, I'm like, it's all covered with, like, John

1451
01:04:40.619 --> 01:04:43.139
Delancey going, well, you know, it's all part of the human

1452
01:04:43.139 --> 01:04:43.739
experience.

1453
01:04:43.739 --> 01:04:46.440
And everyone at home is going, even though it don't make any

1454
01:04:46.440 --> 01:04:46.619
sense.

1455
01:04:46.679 --> 01:04:50.519
Oh, something very, something very profound is going on here.

1456
01:04:54.059 --> 01:04:59.460
Here you go. from Gates McFadden.

1457
01:04:59.519 --> 01:05:02.639
Oh, she gets a fabulous line where she's like, I'm not having that

1458
01:05:02.639 --> 01:05:05.219
from my ex-captain or my ex- husband.

1459
01:05:05.280 --> 01:05:05.639
Yeah.

1460
01:05:05.639 --> 01:05:10.320
No, she's doing great.

1461
01:05:10.380 --> 01:05:11.579
She's doing really well.

1462
01:05:11.639 --> 01:05:14.940
If only she'd been given more of this stuff over 7 years, I would

1463
01:05:14.940 --> 01:05:15.539
have loved that.

1464
01:05:15.599 --> 01:05:18.599
I think it is partly the material and partly the character

1465
01:05:18.599 --> 01:05:19.199
premise.

1466
01:05:19.320 --> 01:05:22.199
Do you see how they've made her neck a little bit, wrinkling

1467
01:05:22.199 --> 01:05:22.679
quickly?

1468
01:05:22.739 --> 01:05:24.000
It's very subtle.

1469
01:05:24.059 --> 01:05:25.320
I think it's quite subtle.

1470
01:05:25.380 --> 01:05:27.360
When it's overlead, it's a problem.

1471
01:05:27.420 --> 01:05:31.079
It doesn't always work, but I like the wrinkles by the side of her

1472
01:05:31.079 --> 01:05:33.420
mouth and she's got a scrawny neck.

1473
01:05:33.480 --> 01:05:34.559
I think it's wonderful.

1474
01:05:34.619 --> 01:05:36.599
In the wrong light, it looks like she's got Adam's Apple.

1475
01:05:36.659 --> 01:05:38.639
They're trying to tell us something else about Beverly Fresh.

1476
01:05:38.699 --> 01:05:41.039
It's not good.

1477
01:05:41.099 --> 01:05:41.940
It isn't good.

1478
01:05:42.000 --> 01:05:47.219
But when it's well lit, it is, as you said before, quite subtle

1479
01:05:47.219 --> 01:05:48.960
which I think is nice. imagine that, though.

1480
01:05:49.019 --> 01:05:50.940
Sorry, I'm going to go off into fantasy now.

1481
01:05:51.000 --> 01:05:54.420
I imagine they've been brave enough that in the, like now they

1482
01:05:54.420 --> 01:05:57.179
probably do it if you're doing a future episode where, I don't

1483
01:05:57.179 --> 01:05:59.460
know, like someone you know is heterosexual as now in our

1484
01:05:59.460 --> 01:06:03.119
homosexual relationship or someone are transitioned or just

1485
01:06:03.119 --> 01:06:05.280
something brave and an amazing life.

1486
01:06:05.340 --> 01:06:05.699
Interesting.

1487
01:06:05.699 --> 01:06:07.139
But now they're just older.

1488
01:06:07.199 --> 01:06:07.739
They're all older.

1489
01:06:07.800 --> 01:06:08.820
Yeah.

1490
01:06:08.820 --> 01:06:12.059
I mean, I like the idea that they've married and divorced and that

1491
01:06:12.059 --> 01:06:14.219
they're they still love one another.

1492
01:06:14.280 --> 01:06:16.619
I love that sort of relationship.

1493
01:06:16.679 --> 01:06:21.000
I love the fact that where Picard goes, what about the anomaly?

1494
01:06:21.059 --> 01:06:22.800
And he goes, where's your mummy?

1495
01:06:24.780 --> 01:06:28.500
Now, look, Q might not work, but he is fun.

1496
01:06:28.559 --> 01:06:30.059
Oh, I think he's great.

1497
01:06:30.119 --> 01:06:33.420
In fact, when he takes the ear trumpet and then turns it around

1498
01:06:33.420 --> 01:06:36.539
and puts it in Picard's ear at the end of this scene.

1499
01:06:36.599 --> 01:06:42.000
It's like, remember, Jean-Luc, you destroy humanity or whatever it

1500
01:06:42.000 --> 01:06:42.179
is.

1501
01:06:42.239 --> 01:06:45.840
I've seen this shot. of their 2 faces in profile.

1502
01:06:45.900 --> 01:06:47.219
Yeah, it's old.

1503
01:06:47.219 --> 01:06:49.800
Used quite a lot to like...

1504
01:06:49.800 --> 01:06:50.519
Well, we're going to see it.

1505
01:06:50.519 --> 01:06:54.840
We haven't seen Picard series 2, episode one yet because it's a

1506
01:06:54.840 --> 01:06:56.280
couple of days before you released it.

1507
01:06:56.340 --> 01:06:57.239
I just say one thing.

1508
01:06:57.300 --> 01:06:59.639
John Delancey looks so hot in series 2.

1509
01:06:59.820 --> 01:07:01.800
Oh, look, he's got the bit.

1510
01:07:01.860 --> 01:07:02.880
Yeah, yeah.

1511
01:07:02.940 --> 01:07:03.420
Beautiful.

1512
01:07:03.480 --> 01:07:08.219
But it is kind of funny that we are about to see them, you know, 25

1513
01:07:08.219 --> 01:07:09.239
years in the future or whatever.

1514
01:07:09.360 --> 01:07:12.300
I think it's said in 23, 989 or something.

1515
01:07:12.360 --> 01:07:17.460
Deeply intrigued to see how, now, because, you know, obviously you

1516
01:07:17.460 --> 01:07:20.639
have a massive love for Kurtzman Trek, and you think they use sort

1517
01:07:20.639 --> 01:07:23.159
of the building blocks of Star Trek in a lot more interesting

1518
01:07:23.159 --> 01:07:23.820
ways.

1519
01:07:23.880 --> 01:07:27.900
So I'll be very interested to see creatively what they do with Q

1520
01:07:27.900 --> 01:07:31.619
in series 2 of the next generation of Picard, sorry.

1521
01:07:31.679 --> 01:07:32.340
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1522
01:07:32.400 --> 01:07:32.760
Yeah.

1523
01:07:33.000 --> 01:07:35.099
Did you notice right?

1524
01:07:35.159 --> 01:07:35.940
Sorry, sorry.

1525
01:07:36.000 --> 01:07:36.840
No, no, no, go on.

1526
01:07:36.900 --> 01:07:38.519
Back in the encounter at Farpoint?

1527
01:07:38.579 --> 01:07:39.420
And they actually do it.

1528
01:07:39.480 --> 01:07:42.300
They were all leaning back in their chairs and a very slouched

1529
01:07:42.300 --> 01:07:44.699
sort away and now they're all sitting up in the present day.

1530
01:07:44.760 --> 01:07:49.619
Those old chairs where they actually, I think they're they are

1531
01:07:49.619 --> 01:07:52.800
slouching like that in a way that looks stupid and they're not

1532
01:07:52.800 --> 01:07:53.699
doing anymore.

1533
01:07:53.760 --> 01:07:55.019
Like they abandon it.

1534
01:07:55.079 --> 01:07:58.739
I think they do it so that the camera has sight lines, so they're

1535
01:07:58.739 --> 01:08:02.880
not like obscuring like the whole fucking set is designed around

1536
01:08:02.880 --> 01:08:05.820
getting cameras to kind of go around it.

1537
01:08:05.880 --> 01:08:07.019
And I think that that's part of it.

1538
01:08:07.079 --> 01:08:08.760
And it looks stupid.

1539
01:08:08.820 --> 01:08:11.039
And I think they do it for the 1st couple of years.

1540
01:08:11.099 --> 01:08:16.260
But the skirts, the slouching, the additions to the set.

1541
01:08:16.319 --> 01:08:19.500
They're putting, they are actually looking back and putting a lot

1542
01:08:19.500 --> 01:08:19.920
of detail.

1543
01:08:19.979 --> 01:08:21.359
There's some thought that's gone into this.

1544
01:08:21.420 --> 01:08:22.140
No, no, no.

1545
01:08:22.199 --> 01:08:26.340
And so the current enterprise set has what looked like a bank of

1546
01:08:26.340 --> 01:08:28.619
hard drives on the walls of the bridge.

1547
01:08:28.619 --> 01:08:34.260
And when you go back to the encounter at Farpoint set, it's lovely

1548
01:08:34.260 --> 01:08:35.520
wooden panels.

1549
01:08:35.579 --> 01:08:41.460
And I love the wood because it has a real 60s kind of feel to it

1550
01:08:41.460 --> 01:08:44.220
which I think was worth retaining.

1551
01:08:44.279 --> 01:08:47.340
And the only thing that was very 60s about series one, you know.

1552
01:08:47.460 --> 01:08:51.420
No, no, but sexism, the studio planets.

1553
01:08:52.319 --> 01:08:53.460
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1554
01:08:53.520 --> 01:08:58.140
But I do think having a sort of 60s design, given that Star Trek

1555
01:08:58.140 --> 01:09:00.479
that's where Star Trek comes from, I think, is gray.

1556
01:09:00.960 --> 01:09:04.380
I mean, no, I know I know they could have done something more

1557
01:09:04.380 --> 01:09:06.300
interesting, but really, I don't think there's anything more

1558
01:09:06.300 --> 01:09:09.060
quintessential than the next generation than a space anomaly.

1559
01:09:09.119 --> 01:09:11.880
So it does feel a little bit authentic to have that in the

1560
01:09:11.880 --> 01:09:12.359
finale.

1561
01:09:12.420 --> 01:09:14.159
Well, is it though?

1562
01:09:14.220 --> 01:09:17.699
I don't think I don't think next gen does that many space

1563
01:09:17.699 --> 01:09:21.539
anomalies, and when it does do them, like the...

1564
01:09:21.539 --> 01:09:22.439
We've already done...

1565
01:09:22.439 --> 01:09:24.779
Now, look here, we've only done a handful of next gen, and we've

1566
01:09:24.779 --> 01:09:26.579
already done a space normally episode.

1567
01:09:26.640 --> 01:09:28.079
Yeah, that's true.

1568
01:09:28.140 --> 01:09:34.439
But again, the space anomaly is rarely the point in the way that

1569
01:09:34.439 --> 01:09:35.100
it is here.

1570
01:09:35.340 --> 01:09:38.939
Oh, fuck, this is such a dumb idea as well.

1571
01:09:39.000 --> 01:09:41.159
So...

1572
01:09:41.279 --> 01:09:46.680
No, I, like, I'm here for anti-time. for causes and effects and

1573
01:09:46.680 --> 01:09:49.260
you know, happening in different orders and all of that's fine.

1574
01:09:49.319 --> 01:09:52.979
But the fact that, like, people's old scars are healing and that

1575
01:09:52.979 --> 01:09:53.880
that, um...

1576
01:09:53.880 --> 01:09:57.720
Oh, Alice's baby...

1577
01:09:57.779 --> 01:09:58.680
Why do that?

1578
01:09:58.739 --> 01:10:02.939
And it's another one of those final season character development

1579
01:10:02.939 --> 01:10:06.659
things like Troy and Riker's relationship that they can do because

1580
01:10:06.659 --> 01:10:10.079
they know they'll never have to pay them off or live with them in

1581
01:10:10.079 --> 01:10:10.619
any way.

1582
01:10:10.680 --> 01:10:13.140
Like they... consequences.

1583
01:10:13.199 --> 01:10:16.739
They do the scene where she tells Beverly that she's got the baby

1584
01:10:16.739 --> 01:10:18.720
and they do the scene where the baby dies.

1585
01:10:18.779 --> 01:10:20.819
And I'm like, well, what's the water point of that?

1586
01:10:20.880 --> 01:10:24.420
Don't we discover that she's pregnant earlier in the season?

1587
01:10:24.479 --> 01:10:25.439
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1588
01:10:25.500 --> 01:10:26.159
She's showing.

1589
01:10:26.220 --> 01:10:26.760
Yeah, yeah.

1590
01:10:26.819 --> 01:10:29.220
She says and she goes, oh, well, listen, that's wonderful one.

1591
01:10:29.279 --> 01:10:30.600
Yeah, it's I can't remember.

1592
01:10:30.659 --> 01:10:32.159
I think it might be a mask, actually.

1593
01:10:32.220 --> 01:10:32.939
No, not mask.

1594
01:10:33.000 --> 01:10:33.600
Genesis.

1595
01:10:33.659 --> 01:10:34.439
I think it is in that one.

1596
01:10:34.500 --> 01:10:39.060
Yes, because her pregnancy protects her from something or they use

1597
01:10:39.060 --> 01:10:41.939
her amniotic fluid to do something. plot.

1598
01:10:42.000 --> 01:10:42.659
It is...

1599
01:10:42.720 --> 01:10:45.899
But if this is the payoff, that she's losing the baby.

1600
01:10:46.020 --> 01:10:49.979
And it all reverses itself, oh, whatever, and it's fine, and

1601
01:10:49.979 --> 01:10:52.619
she'll have the baby, but there's no scene establishing that.

1602
01:10:52.680 --> 01:10:54.840
Yeah, what it feels like, don't you?

1603
01:10:54.899 --> 01:10:56.399
It feels like Picard.

1604
01:10:56.460 --> 01:10:58.859
That's the sort of horrid things they do.

1605
01:10:58.920 --> 01:11:01.380
It's just a, I think it's a bad idea.

1606
01:11:01.500 --> 01:11:03.239
Yeah, God, that's cheap.

1607
01:11:03.239 --> 01:11:04.079
You know what, right?

1608
01:11:04.140 --> 01:11:07.020
The reason why Beverly Crusher put her on the rotor in the

1609
01:11:07.020 --> 01:11:10.260
exploding console chair. is because her hair is so fabulous, that

1610
01:11:10.260 --> 01:11:11.279
woman. you see it?

1611
01:11:11.340 --> 01:11:13.979
It's like a massive 60 quiff.

1612
01:11:14.039 --> 01:11:15.720
It's like a Barbara Wright haircut.

1613
01:11:15.779 --> 01:11:18.539
He's like, no one's having more fabulous hair than me on the

1614
01:11:18.539 --> 01:11:18.720
bridge.

1615
01:11:18.779 --> 01:11:21.239
He's pretty fabulous. is pretty right.

1616
01:11:21.300 --> 01:11:22.319
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1617
01:11:22.380 --> 01:11:24.180
It is pretty great. amazing.

1618
01:11:25.739 --> 01:11:33.420
Uh, we can't afford new Klingon models, nucleon ship models, so...

1619
01:11:33.420 --> 01:11:34.800
Here we go. 25 years.

1620
01:11:34.859 --> 01:11:36.239
Spaceship action occurring.

1621
01:11:36.300 --> 01:11:37.979
Yeah, very slow.

1622
01:11:38.039 --> 01:11:40.199
You were complaining about the slow spaceship action in

1623
01:11:40.199 --> 01:11:41.220
discovery.

1624
01:11:41.279 --> 01:11:45.779
Just very leisurely. 25 years earlier.

1625
01:11:45.840 --> 01:11:46.260
All right.

1626
01:11:46.439 --> 01:11:48.779
I'll just come on a bit now.

1627
01:11:48.840 --> 01:11:50.039
I think that'd move a bit faster.

1628
01:11:50.100 --> 01:11:50.760
There we go.

1629
01:11:50.819 --> 01:11:54.600
The paste has learned that there's a 3rd dimension in space and

1630
01:11:54.600 --> 01:11:57.720
has decided to sort of head off, you know, using the Z axes.

1631
01:11:57.779 --> 01:11:59.640
In the front of that spaceship.

1632
01:11:59.699 --> 01:12:00.600
It looks like a big golf ball.

1633
01:12:00.659 --> 01:12:02.340
Yeah, I like it though.

1634
01:12:02.399 --> 01:12:05.819
It's like a, it's like when the enterprise turns up later with 3

1635
01:12:05.819 --> 01:12:09.840
Nacelles, which actually violates the laws of physics and is

1636
01:12:09.840 --> 01:12:12.359
shouldn't be allowed, but it is there because it breaks the

1637
01:12:12.359 --> 01:12:12.659
rules.

1638
01:12:12.720 --> 01:12:13.739
It's like War 13.

1639
01:12:13.859 --> 01:12:15.539
The cells, physics, war.

1640
01:12:15.600 --> 01:12:17.220
Oh, sorry, I've lost what you're talking about now.

1641
01:12:17.279 --> 01:12:17.760
I'm so sorry.

1642
01:12:17.819 --> 01:12:21.119
So, so, you know, like it has 3 in their cells, but you're only

1643
01:12:21.119 --> 01:12:25.380
allowed to have an, you're only allowed to have a, an even number

1644
01:12:25.380 --> 01:12:26.520
of nacelles on a ship.

1645
01:12:26.579 --> 01:12:27.119
It's a rule.

1646
01:12:27.180 --> 01:12:29.159
There she goes. think I saw a rock.

1647
01:12:29.520 --> 01:12:31.619
Um...

1648
01:12:31.619 --> 01:12:32.880
Hang on. lets just see her body.

1649
01:12:32.939 --> 01:12:34.079
Is there any rock on the floor?

1650
01:12:34.140 --> 01:12:35.699
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1651
01:12:35.760 --> 01:12:36.720
Oh, no.

1652
01:12:36.779 --> 01:12:38.100
No, no, no.

1653
01:12:38.159 --> 01:12:40.140
She's pretty burnt, isn't she?

1654
01:12:40.199 --> 01:12:41.520
Her face has been seared.

1655
01:12:41.579 --> 01:12:42.899
Yeah.

1656
01:12:42.960 --> 01:12:45.960
Well, there had to be some steak for this.

1657
01:12:46.439 --> 01:12:47.100
Well, did there?

1658
01:12:47.159 --> 01:12:47.939
I don't know.

1659
01:12:48.000 --> 01:12:53.520
Like, um, they establish that she's, Oh yeah, she's definitely

1660
01:12:53.520 --> 01:12:54.000
dead.

1661
01:12:54.060 --> 01:12:55.979
Um, yeah.

1662
01:12:57.539 --> 01:13:01.199
Oh, Riker's makeup, mate. looks obscene.

1663
01:13:01.260 --> 01:13:05.460
Yeah, it's the hair is really, really bad.

1664
01:13:05.520 --> 01:13:07.260
He's got all these lumps on his forehead.

1665
01:13:07.380 --> 01:13:08.819
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1666
01:13:08.880 --> 01:13:09.840
Yeah, he looks like...

1667
01:13:09.899 --> 01:13:12.539
I think they steal this sequence of the Klingon shipping way of

1668
01:13:12.539 --> 01:13:13.260
warrior, you know.

1669
01:13:13.319 --> 01:13:16.680
I swear that that scene of the Klingon ship explosions in where

1670
01:13:16.680 --> 01:13:17.220
the Warrior.

1671
01:13:17.279 --> 01:13:17.819
Oh, really?

1672
01:13:17.880 --> 01:13:21.119
Yeah, well, they did reuse. above nicking, you know.

1673
01:13:21.180 --> 01:13:22.199
No, absolutely.

1674
01:13:22.260 --> 01:13:23.640
Oh, yeah, you could.

1675
01:13:23.699 --> 01:13:24.779
I think you could well be right.

1676
01:13:24.840 --> 01:13:26.880
They have got really...

1677
01:13:27.300 --> 01:13:27.840
Sorry, go on.

1678
01:13:27.899 --> 01:13:31.560
Oh, they've done something with the Enterprises Nassell pylons as

1679
01:13:31.560 --> 01:13:34.439
well. as well as adding another Nassell, and it does look a bit

1680
01:13:34.439 --> 01:13:35.100
more dynamic.

1681
01:13:35.220 --> 01:13:36.239
I think it is pretty cool.

1682
01:13:36.300 --> 01:13:38.640
And you do want the enterprise in...

1683
01:13:38.640 --> 01:13:42.060
So, can I just find a plot hole here?

1684
01:13:42.119 --> 01:13:43.380
Can I tell you a plot hole?

1685
01:13:43.439 --> 01:13:43.859
One.

1686
01:13:44.279 --> 01:13:44.939
Okay, off you go.

1687
01:13:45.000 --> 01:13:45.300
Okay.

1688
01:13:45.359 --> 01:13:50.039
So I hate this. plot hole picking, but fuck it, I'm going to do

1689
01:13:50.039 --> 01:13:50.220
it.

1690
01:13:50.279 --> 01:13:58.560
So they say that the modulation of the 3 tachyon pulses or

1691
01:13:58.560 --> 01:14:04.800
whatever in the 3 different time periods that scan the anomaly are

1692
01:14:04.800 --> 01:14:09.479
what are all the same and so they must all be from the same ship.

1693
01:14:10.319 --> 01:14:13.979
And so they go, oh, so it was the Enterprise scanning it.

1694
01:14:14.039 --> 01:14:16.140
But wasn't the Enterprise scanning it in the future?

1695
01:14:16.199 --> 01:14:18.060
It was the Pasteur scanning it.

1696
01:14:18.119 --> 01:14:26.460
So they've kind of, I think, there is some, this is a vestige of a

1697
01:14:26.460 --> 01:14:27.659
previous version of this?

1698
01:14:27.720 --> 01:14:28.380
I don't know.

1699
01:14:28.439 --> 01:14:30.180
But they certainly get that wrong.

1700
01:14:30.239 --> 01:14:31.560
They're too boring anyway.

1701
01:14:31.619 --> 01:14:33.960
They're too busy getting the rest of the skirts right in the

1702
01:14:33.960 --> 01:14:34.859
encounter PowerPoint.

1703
01:14:34.920 --> 01:14:36.420
They've taken their eye off the plot.

1704
01:14:36.479 --> 01:14:40.199
I would absolutely sooner they spent their effort doing that

1705
01:14:40.199 --> 01:14:41.520
rather than...

1706
01:14:41.579 --> 01:14:43.920
The trouble, though, is you do have to focus on these things

1707
01:14:43.920 --> 01:14:47.760
because I think Star Trek fans, you know, they know the detail of

1708
01:14:47.760 --> 01:14:48.239
these things.

1709
01:14:48.239 --> 01:14:51.060
They're at these conventions putting their hands up and standing

1710
01:14:51.060 --> 01:14:55.319
up and saying in episode 44, you know, it didn't make, and the

1711
01:14:55.319 --> 01:14:58.319
actors are looking at them with a blank face going, it was just a

1712
01:14:58.319 --> 01:14:59.039
paycheque, you know?

1713
01:14:59.100 --> 01:15:00.779
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1714
01:15:00.840 --> 01:15:03.180
No, I do, I really like...

1715
01:15:03.180 --> 01:15:09.960
That, because I've worked with the elderly, and I've seen people

1716
01:15:09.960 --> 01:15:15.720
patronise, and I've seen people treat it as if they're bonkers

1717
01:15:15.720 --> 01:15:18.000
when actually, sometimes they just need you to listen.

1718
01:15:18.060 --> 01:15:21.600
And I think this is all played very well because they're kind of

1719
01:15:21.600 --> 01:15:23.760
kind to him and they're kind of not as well.

1720
01:15:23.819 --> 01:15:25.199
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1721
01:15:25.260 --> 01:15:25.800
Yeah.

1722
01:15:25.859 --> 01:15:29.880
And he's, he, he plays it like he's losing it as well, which I

1723
01:15:29.880 --> 01:15:33.479
think is really interesting, like that, and clearly the script is

1724
01:15:33.479 --> 01:15:33.960
doing that too.

1725
01:15:34.020 --> 01:15:38.039
Yeah, but it is great because like, you know, looking at it from

1726
01:15:38.039 --> 01:15:38.760
the other direction.

1727
01:15:38.819 --> 01:15:40.800
He does sound like he's completely barking mad.

1728
01:15:41.579 --> 01:15:43.500
Oh, this is horrible.

1729
01:15:43.560 --> 01:15:45.180
Yeah, like let's not have this.

1730
01:15:45.239 --> 01:15:50.520
Like, like, that poor woman, uh, nurse Ogawa, yeah.

1731
01:15:50.579 --> 01:15:50.760
Yeah.

1732
01:15:50.819 --> 01:15:52.380
She's been with us for a while.

1733
01:15:52.439 --> 01:15:56.279
She has, but what development does she have beyond this?

1734
01:15:56.340 --> 01:15:57.840
Oh, she got married?

1735
01:15:57.899 --> 01:15:58.920
to Andrew.

1736
01:15:58.979 --> 01:16:00.239
Is she?

1737
01:16:00.300 --> 01:16:01.800
Yeah, yeah. we see that?

1738
01:16:01.859 --> 01:16:03.180
forgot about that completely.

1739
01:16:03.239 --> 01:16:06.840
No, but she, I think it's in lower decks, isn't it?

1740
01:16:07.260 --> 01:16:09.060
I think they...

1741
01:16:09.060 --> 01:16:10.500
Because she's in Lower Decks.

1742
01:16:10.560 --> 01:16:12.539
She's one of the 4 characters in Lower Day.

1743
01:16:12.600 --> 01:16:13.859
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1744
01:16:13.920 --> 01:16:16.979
Well, I mean, it was not like they were above giving the secondary

1745
01:16:16.979 --> 01:16:17.520
characters.

1746
01:16:17.579 --> 01:16:20.039
Keiko had some lovely episodes, didn't she?

1747
01:16:20.100 --> 01:16:23.640
And then there are other characters like Mr. Mop, the barber, who

1748
01:16:23.640 --> 01:16:25.560
just turned up every now and again.

1749
01:16:27.779 --> 01:16:29.460
Oh, dear.

1750
01:16:29.520 --> 01:16:32.819
Not as highly developed as Morn, no.

1751
01:16:32.880 --> 01:16:35.399
Morn, oh, my.

1752
01:16:35.399 --> 01:16:36.960
For a character that said nothing.

1753
01:16:37.020 --> 01:16:38.039
Honestly.

1754
01:16:38.100 --> 01:16:41.520
There are morns all over discovery at the moment.

1755
01:16:41.579 --> 01:16:42.239
It's crazy.

1756
01:16:42.300 --> 01:16:44.819
The, the, the, the, the race.

1757
01:16:44.880 --> 01:16:49.199
I refuse to know what I will not learn what racy comes from.

1758
01:16:49.260 --> 01:16:50.760
I just refuse to know.

1759
01:16:50.819 --> 01:16:52.439
But sure.

1760
01:16:52.500 --> 01:16:55.380
It's just, there are so many site gags with more.

1761
01:16:55.560 --> 01:16:57.899
It's just genius.

1762
01:16:58.079 --> 01:17:01.859
And then when they have the nerve to do that entire episode around

1763
01:17:01.859 --> 01:17:04.260
him and he's out with criminal syndicate.

1764
01:17:04.319 --> 01:17:05.159
Not in it or whatever.

1765
01:17:06.359 --> 01:17:08.220
It's so great.

1766
01:17:08.279 --> 01:17:11.220
Until the end when he faked his own death.

1767
01:17:11.279 --> 01:17:12.539
Yeah, awesome.

1768
01:17:12.600 --> 01:17:13.619
Oh, dear.

1769
01:17:13.680 --> 01:17:14.460
It's very funny.

1770
01:17:14.520 --> 01:17:20.159
No, well, discovery loves him and has there's a morn in the bar on

1771
01:17:20.159 --> 01:17:22.619
discovery in a recent episode.

1772
01:17:22.680 --> 01:17:27.060
Looking, Nathan, I refuse to admit your criticism about 90s trek

1773
01:17:27.060 --> 01:17:29.279
being loads of people sitting around the table talking, right?

1774
01:17:30.899 --> 01:17:32.640
Here we go.

1775
01:17:32.699 --> 01:17:37.199
And like, like, so this is him expanding his horizon.

1776
01:17:37.260 --> 01:17:42.720
So he passes the test again because he can do an anomaly thing.

1777
01:17:42.779 --> 01:17:47.159
This is one of my favourite scenes in the entire episode where

1778
01:17:47.159 --> 01:17:49.500
they go back to Prime Audio Earth.

1779
01:17:49.560 --> 01:17:54.119
And finally, there actually are some stakes because, you know, the

1780
01:17:54.119 --> 01:17:57.180
anomaly stretching backwards through time and it's going to stop

1781
01:17:57.180 --> 01:18:02.159
the, the, what, the primordial goo from eventually becoming the

1782
01:18:02.159 --> 01:18:02.819
human race.

1783
01:18:02.880 --> 01:18:09.060
And in a rather brilliant moment, uh, queue dips his hand into the

1784
01:18:09.060 --> 01:18:12.659
goo and says, look, this is you in a direct steel from a Doctor

1785
01:18:12.659 --> 01:18:13.140
Who episode.

1786
01:18:13.319 --> 01:18:16.680
And I refuse to believe that is a coincidence.

1787
01:18:16.739 --> 01:18:20.340
I really like the fact that it's France too.

1788
01:18:20.399 --> 01:18:24.600
They could have made it anywhere, but it's France. which I just

1789
01:18:24.600 --> 01:18:25.439
think is delightful.

1790
01:18:25.500 --> 01:18:30.180
It's where the... the sort of volcano and then the sea.

1791
01:18:30.239 --> 01:18:32.819
Okay, it's he's clearly superimposed.

1792
01:18:32.880 --> 01:18:34.560
It's pretty good.

1793
01:18:34.619 --> 01:18:35.279
No, no, no.

1794
01:18:35.340 --> 01:18:36.600
Yeah, like I'm going for it.

1795
01:18:36.659 --> 01:18:40.199
And like the anomaly in the sky and the pools of lava and stuff

1796
01:18:40.199 --> 01:18:44.220
because this set is very boring and we've seen it nearly every

1797
01:18:44.220 --> 01:18:44.699
episode.

1798
01:18:44.819 --> 01:18:50.640
And so, you know, tarting it up is pretty, you know, you can

1799
01:18:50.640 --> 01:18:54.420
actually make a direct comparison between this and Doctor Who and

1800
01:18:54.420 --> 01:18:59.699
talk about the differences in the 2 shows because in the Doctor

1801
01:18:59.699 --> 01:19:04.859
Who episode, this scene is screamingly funny whilst having massive

1802
01:19:04.859 --> 01:19:08.100
high stakes, like very melodramatic high stakes.

1803
01:19:08.220 --> 01:19:10.560
Whereas in this, it's just the answer.

1804
01:19:10.619 --> 01:19:11.640
It's a technobab solution.

1805
01:19:11.699 --> 01:19:13.500
That's super boring, isn't it?

1806
01:19:13.560 --> 01:19:15.539
And like these stakes aren't real.

1807
01:19:15.600 --> 01:19:18.000
These is all word peril.

1808
01:19:18.060 --> 01:19:20.220
Like, who cares?

1809
01:19:20.279 --> 01:19:22.739
Like we know that humanity's not going to be destroyed.

1810
01:19:22.800 --> 01:19:24.840
Well, never care if you don't exist.

1811
01:19:24.899 --> 01:19:28.859
But you know, I mean, there'd be no Star Trek.

1812
01:19:28.920 --> 01:19:30.720
We would be able to...

1813
01:19:30.779 --> 01:19:31.560
Star Trek Project.

1814
01:19:31.619 --> 01:19:33.960
How would we fruin delight people on a weekly basis?

1815
01:19:34.020 --> 01:19:35.100
Yeah, that's true.

1816
01:19:35.159 --> 01:19:36.000
That is true.

1817
01:19:36.359 --> 01:19:41.039
But it is sort of a bit shit, you know, and like he doesn't do

1818
01:19:41.039 --> 01:19:43.079
anything that's particularly ingenious.

1819
01:19:43.140 --> 01:19:46.199
You know, they do some space things.

1820
01:19:46.260 --> 01:19:51.180
Like they discover that that the thing gets bigger in the past

1821
01:19:51.180 --> 01:19:52.800
because it's anti-time.

1822
01:19:52.859 --> 01:19:55.140
So you would think, well, that's in the name, isn't it?

1823
01:19:55.199 --> 01:19:58.319
So like that's not that, you know, we know about anti-time.

1824
01:19:58.380 --> 01:20:00.479
So, honestly, like whatever.

1825
01:20:00.539 --> 01:20:02.460
I'm almost full into bed.

1826
01:20:02.520 --> 01:20:06.359
If you were to say to the average Star Trek fan, I don't know, name

1827
01:20:06.359 --> 01:20:11.819
20 memorable scenes from Star Trek, somebody would say, oh, that

1828
01:20:11.819 --> 01:20:16.020
same between Picard and Q on Primordial Earth where he picks up

1829
01:20:16.020 --> 01:20:17.279
the goo and says, this is you.

1830
01:20:17.340 --> 01:20:22.020
Well, I like that him going, ooh, they're moving closer together

1831
01:20:22.020 --> 01:20:23.220
they're about to make a protein.

1832
01:20:23.279 --> 01:20:24.539
Oh, nothing happened.

1833
01:20:24.600 --> 01:20:26.399
And I think that's adorable.

1834
01:20:26.460 --> 01:20:27.479
That is pretty great.

1835
01:20:27.539 --> 01:20:29.579
It's his performance, though, isn't it?

1836
01:20:29.640 --> 01:20:31.319
He's just he's so watchable.

1837
01:20:31.380 --> 01:20:33.000
He really is good.

1838
01:20:33.060 --> 01:20:37.079
And he's also sort of weirdly wooden and stuff in encounter at

1839
01:20:37.079 --> 01:20:41.340
Farpoint, but he really kind of relaxes into the role and I'm so

1840
01:20:41.340 --> 01:20:43.260
looking forward to seeing him this week.

1841
01:20:43.380 --> 01:20:49.260
I love the scene in, uh, in what's an otherwise pretty dreary

1842
01:20:49.260 --> 01:20:50.579
episode of DS 9.

1843
01:20:50.640 --> 01:20:53.159
The one with Q and Nick, where he makes Cisco punch him.

1844
01:20:53.159 --> 01:20:54.479
And he goes, you hit me.

1845
01:20:54.539 --> 01:20:56.039
Picard never hit me.

1846
01:20:56.100 --> 01:20:58.020
And he's like, I'm not Picard.

1847
01:20:58.079 --> 01:21:00.779
That is a super weird episode, isn't it?

1848
01:21:00.840 --> 01:21:02.460
It's kind of like why are we doing this?

1849
01:21:02.520 --> 01:21:03.960
Why is vast on this show?

1850
01:21:04.020 --> 01:21:07.140
back, yeah, that's right. on this show.

1851
01:21:07.199 --> 01:21:11.340
No, because that's when DS9 is trying to do... is trying to bring

1852
01:21:11.340 --> 01:21:14.039
in, you know, Lurser and Betor, Laxar and Troy.

1853
01:21:14.100 --> 01:21:15.239
They're all in series one.

1854
01:21:15.300 --> 01:21:17.159
Yeah, they don't know what they're doing.

1855
01:21:18.720 --> 01:21:22.199
Although interestingly, you know, I'm sort of going off on one

1856
01:21:22.199 --> 01:21:22.439
now.

1857
01:21:22.500 --> 01:21:26.399
But interestingly, they do, they can, because that lacks on a Troy

1858
01:21:26.399 --> 01:21:28.380
episode with Odo in the turbo lift.

1859
01:21:28.439 --> 01:21:32.220
I think it's her best episode and that's her most touching moment

1860
01:21:32.220 --> 01:21:34.020
where he never said her lap.

1861
01:21:34.079 --> 01:21:37.859
So it's interesting that they can take some of these TNG tropes

1862
01:21:37.859 --> 01:21:40.020
and do them a bit better.

1863
01:21:40.079 --> 01:21:43.739
But I mean, the only reason that we're talking about this is like

1864
01:21:43.739 --> 01:21:47.640
nothing the fuck is happening on the screen at the moment.

1865
01:21:47.699 --> 01:21:50.939
Like we are just all talking about space.

1866
01:21:51.000 --> 01:21:51.779
Oh no, here we go.

1867
01:21:51.840 --> 01:21:53.100
Space things.

1868
01:21:53.159 --> 01:21:54.119
Now we're in bed.

1869
01:21:54.239 --> 01:21:58.439
Oh, so this is the sequence where we're in 10 forward and Wharf is

1870
01:21:58.439 --> 01:22:01.800
grumpily in the background refusing to come over and socialise

1871
01:22:01.800 --> 01:22:02.939
because Riker's there.

1872
01:22:03.000 --> 01:22:04.500
And I just don't buy it.

1873
01:22:04.560 --> 01:22:05.460
I don't get it.

1874
01:22:05.760 --> 01:22:07.859
No, it's stupid.

1875
01:22:08.100 --> 01:22:12.720
And is it we're going to do interpersonal conflict because it's

1876
01:22:12.720 --> 01:22:16.560
our final episode, you know, like maybe, you know.

1877
01:22:16.560 --> 01:22:17.939
But do you know what, right?

1878
01:22:18.000 --> 01:22:20.520
And even it's even more.

1879
01:22:20.579 --> 01:22:22.140
It's a terrific episode.

1880
01:22:22.199 --> 01:22:26.340
The penultimate episode of TNG is preemptive strike.

1881
01:22:26.399 --> 01:22:30.840
And that's the episode where at the end, Ensign Rowe defects and

1882
01:22:30.840 --> 01:22:36.479
betrays Picard and goes over 2 and it's a fantastic moment, like

1883
01:22:36.479 --> 01:22:37.739
really, really fantastic.

1884
01:22:37.800 --> 01:22:43.560
And I'm like, how dare you save this kind of characterisation and

1885
01:22:43.560 --> 01:22:43.979
you know?

1886
01:22:44.039 --> 01:22:47.880
Yeah, but again, we're doing it because there's no consequences

1887
01:22:47.880 --> 01:22:51.960
consequences. the 2nd last episode, we haven't got Michelle for

1888
01:22:51.960 --> 01:22:54.479
the last episode, so we can do what we want with her.

1889
01:22:54.479 --> 01:22:58.680
And we need to set up Voyager, which I think is what's happening

1890
01:22:58.680 --> 01:23:00.000
there as well, isn't it?

1891
01:23:00.060 --> 01:23:03.899
Like setting up them a key so that Voyager can come in next year

1892
01:23:03.899 --> 01:23:06.779
and use them for about 10 minutes and then forget they ever

1893
01:23:06.779 --> 01:23:07.260
existed.

1894
01:23:07.319 --> 01:23:08.760
I'm going to do it.

1895
01:23:08.819 --> 01:23:10.020
You know I'm going to do it, all right?

1896
01:23:10.079 --> 01:23:12.479
Predictable was you, saying, Discovery is amazing.

1897
01:23:12.539 --> 01:23:16.140
DS9 took the marquee and did the most interesting thing of all

1898
01:23:16.140 --> 01:23:20.220
with them, which was that fabulous moment where Eddington's in the

1899
01:23:20.220 --> 01:23:25.079
whole season and a half and then shoots Kira and he's revealed to

1900
01:23:25.079 --> 01:23:25.739
be head of the market.

1901
01:23:25.800 --> 01:23:27.000
It's fabulous, honestly.

1902
01:23:27.060 --> 01:23:30.659
And plus Thomas Riker, who is also a member of the McKay.

1903
01:23:30.720 --> 01:23:31.380
Oh, yeah.

1904
01:23:31.439 --> 01:23:32.939
He shoots carer as well.

1905
01:23:33.000 --> 01:23:33.720
Yeah.

1906
01:23:33.779 --> 01:23:35.159
I think that's quite good, isn't it?

1907
01:23:35.220 --> 01:23:38.520
Because that is saying that the choice between Federation and

1908
01:23:38.520 --> 01:23:40.680
McKee is a very close one.

1909
01:23:40.739 --> 01:23:43.319
The same person could make could go either way.

1910
01:23:43.380 --> 01:23:47.039
And the Makia are right in all sorts of ways.

1911
01:23:47.100 --> 01:23:49.920
And we start to critique the Federation at the end, don't we, with

1912
01:23:49.920 --> 01:23:50.460
that?

1913
01:23:50.520 --> 01:23:53.819
What's the one where the Native Americans get resettled and

1914
01:23:53.819 --> 01:23:57.600
there's the McKee, like that Cardassian thing?

1915
01:23:57.659 --> 01:24:00.659
They start to get involved in kind of real politic.

1916
01:24:00.720 --> 01:24:01.680
Yeah, yeah.

1917
01:24:01.680 --> 01:24:06.779
But it's even more explicit in for the cause where Eddington says

1918
01:24:06.779 --> 01:24:10.020
to Cisco, in some ways the Federation is worse than the Borg.

1919
01:24:10.079 --> 01:24:13.800
At least they're honest about assimilating people into you know

1920
01:24:13.800 --> 01:24:14.399
their ideals.

1921
01:24:14.460 --> 01:24:16.020
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1922
01:24:16.079 --> 01:24:18.000
That old lie, we come in peace.

1923
01:24:18.060 --> 01:24:20.340
Um, yeah.

1924
01:24:20.399 --> 01:24:22.020
Oh, this is it.

1925
01:24:22.079 --> 01:24:25.020
So Patrick Stewart's doing his full histrionic.

1926
01:24:25.319 --> 01:24:26.819
You've got to listen to me, everybody.

1927
01:24:27.779 --> 01:24:31.979
But this is terrific because then data steps in now, doesn't he?

1928
01:24:32.039 --> 01:24:34.199
And says, no, this actually makes sense.

1929
01:24:34.260 --> 01:24:38.100
And he actually does say the plot in a way that I'm like, oh, maybe

1930
01:24:38.100 --> 01:24:39.659
this has been fought through, you know?

1931
01:24:40.140 --> 01:24:42.239
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1932
01:24:42.300 --> 01:24:45.479
And he's more than he's more than usually, sorry, he's more than

1933
01:24:45.479 --> 01:24:48.779
usually incoherent here as well, isn't he?

1934
01:24:48.840 --> 01:24:51.060
Oh, and his latex mask is coming off.

1935
01:24:51.119 --> 01:24:52.319
His latex beard.

1936
01:24:52.380 --> 01:24:55.739
So clearly visible in the live thing.

1937
01:24:55.800 --> 01:24:56.279
It's not.

1938
01:24:57.060 --> 01:25:01.439
Although, to be fair, I've seen latex alien creations less scary

1939
01:25:01.439 --> 01:25:03.420
than Riker in this scene.

1940
01:25:03.539 --> 01:25:05.460
What are they thinking?

1941
01:25:05.520 --> 01:25:07.439
The hair is just terrible.

1942
01:25:07.500 --> 01:25:13.199
And like obviously these people are this age now, aren't they?

1943
01:25:13.319 --> 01:25:15.659
Like Jonathan is this age.

1944
01:25:15.720 --> 01:25:17.220
Like, when is this?

1945
01:25:17.340 --> 01:25:19.500
I don't even know when this ends. not sure.

1946
01:25:19.560 --> 01:25:22.800
But can I just say, just to...

1947
01:25:22.800 --> 01:25:28.319
Shine, a very positive lie on some of this. is I think now this is

1948
01:25:28.319 --> 01:25:32.220
where the episode really leans into one of the massive strengths

1949
01:25:32.220 --> 01:25:36.180
of the next generation, and that is this group of characters, the

1950
01:25:36.180 --> 01:25:40.619
actors chemistry, and the fact that, like, as a group of actors

1951
01:25:40.619 --> 01:25:43.859
and as a group of characters, they adore each other, and they get

1952
01:25:43.859 --> 01:25:45.479
they would go the extra mile for each other.

1953
01:25:45.659 --> 01:25:47.819
And you know, Picard's behaving like a bloody idiot right now.

1954
01:25:47.880 --> 01:25:50.399
And yet they're all going to rise together and go into this

1955
01:25:50.399 --> 01:25:52.619
freshly dangerous situation for Picardo.

1956
01:25:52.680 --> 01:25:54.000
And we love that about them, you know?

1957
01:25:54.060 --> 01:25:54.720
Yeah.

1958
01:25:54.779 --> 01:26:00.239
And like, again, you know, the anomaly is as thin a thing as

1959
01:26:00.239 --> 01:26:01.020
possible.

1960
01:26:01.079 --> 01:26:05.220
Like it, who cares and it's all just words and a stupid special

1961
01:26:05.220 --> 01:26:05.579
effect.

1962
01:26:05.640 --> 01:26:07.140
Feeling for each other is not.

1963
01:26:07.199 --> 01:26:07.739
No.

1964
01:26:07.800 --> 01:26:10.260
And and that's what we're doing.

1965
01:26:10.319 --> 01:26:14.100
We're hanging out with these people for one last time and they're

1966
01:26:14.100 --> 01:26:15.359
doing the things they do.

1967
01:26:15.420 --> 01:26:19.260
You know, it's 25 years later and Geordie's still doing the techno

1968
01:26:19.260 --> 01:26:21.060
babble better than anyone else in the business.

1969
01:26:21.119 --> 01:26:23.279
They are still explaining the plot.

1970
01:26:23.399 --> 01:26:24.720
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1971
01:26:24.779 --> 01:26:25.560
It's delightful.

1972
01:26:25.619 --> 01:26:29.159
Every Crusher's still looking concerned about everybody, you

1973
01:26:29.159 --> 01:26:29.399
know.

1974
01:26:29.460 --> 01:26:30.479
Yeah, that's right.

1975
01:26:31.560 --> 01:26:33.479
But there's a reason.

1976
01:26:33.539 --> 01:26:37.020
There is a reason why this show chimes with the public.

1977
01:26:37.140 --> 01:26:39.539
And I don't think it's the anomalies.

1978
01:26:39.600 --> 01:26:40.680
I think is the characters.

1979
01:26:40.739 --> 01:26:41.819
Yeah, yeah.

1980
01:26:41.880 --> 01:26:46.739
And I think there is some attempt to say that in this episode

1981
01:26:46.979 --> 01:26:51.840
which is why that final scene is so well judged, that final

1982
01:26:51.840 --> 01:26:52.319
scene.

1983
01:26:52.380 --> 01:26:53.939
That final scene is perfect.

1984
01:26:54.000 --> 01:26:55.500
It's so good.

1985
01:26:55.560 --> 01:26:56.220
You know what?

1986
01:26:56.279 --> 01:26:59.460
Like, they could have laid it on. like, you know, the weepy scenes

1987
01:26:59.460 --> 01:27:02.579
in discovery and it's so understated.

1988
01:27:02.640 --> 01:27:05.039
I find it so moving every time I watch it.

1989
01:27:05.100 --> 01:27:07.020
Yeah, it's good. is really good.

1990
01:27:07.079 --> 01:27:12.960
Even DS Noing, which ended on like, you know, flashbacks of all

1991
01:27:12.960 --> 01:27:13.560
the characters.

1992
01:27:13.560 --> 01:27:16.079
And, you know, and it was very moving because you love those

1993
01:27:16.079 --> 01:27:19.079
characters, but I don't know, there's just something about how

1994
01:27:19.079 --> 01:27:20.819
they pitched that final scene in this.

1995
01:27:20.880 --> 01:27:24.420
And because it's not a goodbye because we know that they're going

1996
01:27:24.420 --> 01:27:26.340
to be back. very soon.

1997
01:27:26.460 --> 01:27:29.039
And so this isn't a goodbye.

1998
01:27:29.100 --> 01:27:31.979
It has to be now we're off on more adventures.

1999
01:27:32.039 --> 01:27:34.680
It can't change the status quo.

2000
01:27:35.159 --> 01:27:41.460
But what it does do is just a scene that reinforces the importance

2001
01:27:41.460 --> 01:27:46.020
of the characters because the poker scene is always about

2002
01:27:46.020 --> 01:27:48.659
revealing the characters.

2003
01:27:48.720 --> 01:27:49.680
That's what it's for.

2004
01:27:49.739 --> 01:27:53.039
It starts in series two, I think, they 1st do it.

2005
01:27:53.100 --> 01:27:54.659
I don't know if they're only in series one.

2006
01:27:54.720 --> 01:27:55.319
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

2007
01:27:55.439 --> 01:27:57.000
Palasca's up to it as well, isn't she?

2008
01:27:57.060 --> 01:27:57.600
Yeah, serious too.

2009
01:27:57.659 --> 01:28:01.199
And it is all about making it clear what the character's attitudes

2010
01:28:01.199 --> 01:28:02.460
are and relationships are.

2011
01:28:02.520 --> 01:28:04.199
That's what those scenes are for.

2012
01:28:04.260 --> 01:28:08.220
And so those scenes stand for, the interaction between characters

2013
01:28:08.220 --> 01:28:10.020
and now you have Picard joining in.

2014
01:28:10.079 --> 01:28:13.140
And I just say, couldn't we have just had Pulaski back for one

2015
01:28:13.140 --> 01:28:13.680
scene, please?

2016
01:28:13.739 --> 01:28:15.119
I love her so much.

2017
01:28:15.119 --> 01:28:18.420
She could have come in and just been like, right, you like, you're

2018
01:28:18.420 --> 01:28:19.979
a bunch of bloody shit.

2019
01:28:20.039 --> 01:28:21.600
I hate a lot of you.

2020
01:28:21.659 --> 01:28:24.119
And Riker, I boned your father.

2021
01:28:24.180 --> 01:28:27.420
It was so nice to encounter that openly critiqued.

2022
01:28:27.420 --> 01:28:29.760
Both the show and the characters.

2023
01:28:29.819 --> 01:28:31.619
People really didn't like it, did they?

2024
01:28:31.739 --> 01:28:35.279
I did like it, but I did miss Beverly, and I do think it is a

2025
01:28:35.279 --> 01:28:38.640
weird wrinkle in the show's history that she's absent.

2026
01:28:38.699 --> 01:28:40.859
I'd much rather have had Pulaski the rest of the run.

2027
01:28:40.920 --> 01:28:47.279
Yeah, it makes it makes Wesley's presence on the ship. inexplicable

2028
01:28:47.279 --> 01:28:49.979
except for contractual reasons.

2029
01:28:50.039 --> 01:28:51.779
It's like, why are you saying on the shit?

2030
01:28:51.840 --> 01:28:53.100
Well, Will's got a contract.

2031
01:28:55.680 --> 01:28:58.619
They do make that lovely point as well, don't they?

2032
01:28:58.680 --> 01:29:00.960
she comes back and he was like, well, how would you know?

2033
01:29:01.020 --> 01:29:02.399
You might have been here for a year, you know?

2034
01:29:02.460 --> 01:29:03.239
Yeah.

2035
01:29:03.300 --> 01:29:05.579
Yeah, in fact, that's quite good that episode.

2036
01:29:05.640 --> 01:29:08.340
That evolution and it is almost like, 0 my god.

2037
01:29:08.399 --> 01:29:11.399
That's the moment where you kind of go, they've learned how to

2038
01:29:11.399 --> 01:29:11.819
make this show.

2039
01:29:11.880 --> 01:29:14.760
It's got a great fella from scrubs in it, hasn't it?

2040
01:29:14.819 --> 01:29:17.100
That's the mad nanobot professor.

2041
01:29:17.159 --> 01:29:18.180
Oh, yeah, yeah.

2042
01:29:18.239 --> 01:29:18.720
Yeah.

2043
01:29:18.779 --> 01:29:19.319
Yeah.

2044
01:29:20.100 --> 01:29:23.819
Tashiar leaning across the security panel there.

2045
01:29:23.880 --> 01:29:24.960
That's very season one.

2046
01:29:25.020 --> 01:29:26.159
Absolutely.

2047
01:29:26.220 --> 01:29:28.619
With Worf standing over her shoulder.

2048
01:29:28.680 --> 01:29:29.520
It's very good.

2049
01:29:29.579 --> 01:29:33.119
That wonderful soon where he goes, right, I want a security wide

2050
01:29:33.119 --> 01:29:35.699
search, Mr. Wharf, and Tashi R's like, excuse me.

2051
01:29:35.760 --> 01:29:37.920
Yeah, I'll be in charge of security here.

2052
01:29:39.060 --> 01:29:41.880
And he just says, not for long, love.

2053
01:29:41.939 --> 01:29:44.699
That's what I thought we didn't do as soon.

2054
01:29:47.100 --> 01:29:49.560
I do, and I like this as well.

2055
01:29:49.619 --> 01:29:52.260
I think like if there's ever a moment where you can have a moment

2056
01:29:52.260 --> 01:29:54.840
of reflection and say, you know what, you're going to be an

2057
01:29:54.840 --> 01:29:58.619
amazing crew and I know it, it's your serious finale, you know?

2058
01:29:58.680 --> 01:29:59.579
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

2059
01:29:59.640 --> 01:30:00.119
Yeah.

2060
01:30:00.180 --> 01:30:03.180
And like, it's not like they don't help themselves to a giant

2061
01:30:03.180 --> 01:30:06.479
speech from Patrick Stewart even when it's not a series finale.

2062
01:30:06.539 --> 01:30:07.979
So they can have one here.

2063
01:30:08.039 --> 01:30:09.779
And look at the incredible thing.

2064
01:30:09.840 --> 01:30:12.420
I mean, it's worthy of this grand explanation.

2065
01:30:12.479 --> 01:30:15.359
They defeated Ardra, the great goddess.

2066
01:30:15.420 --> 01:30:19.859
They took down the attempt to destroy the Federation with that

2067
01:30:19.859 --> 01:30:20.460
computer game.

2068
01:30:20.520 --> 01:30:23.220
I mean, they did amazing things in that 7 year round.

2069
01:30:23.279 --> 01:30:23.819
I'm telling you.

2070
01:30:23.880 --> 01:30:25.260
And that's what I was thinking of.

2071
01:30:25.319 --> 01:30:29.220
I was about to mention the game, which just showed up recently on

2072
01:30:29.220 --> 01:30:32.460
an episode of Star Trek prodigy.

2073
01:30:32.939 --> 01:30:34.680
Well, the game.

2074
01:30:34.739 --> 01:30:37.800
Yeah, yeah, yeah. was playing it in his quarters.

2075
01:30:38.520 --> 01:30:41.579
Oh, yeah, I bet it was in his course.

2076
01:30:42.659 --> 01:30:46.680
They even survived the great Ferengi takeover when they all became

2077
01:30:46.680 --> 01:30:47.039
kids.

2078
01:30:47.100 --> 01:30:48.239
They did.

2079
01:30:48.359 --> 01:30:50.399
I love that episode.

2080
01:30:50.460 --> 01:30:51.720
Why can't we?

2081
01:30:51.720 --> 01:30:53.699
Why can't we get a fun episode of next gen like that?

2082
01:30:53.760 --> 01:30:55.560
Yeah, yeah.

2083
01:30:55.619 --> 01:30:58.619
Hmm, it is, it is really great.

2084
01:30:58.680 --> 01:31:01.619
It is the sort of thing that's slightly embarrassed by, but I just

2085
01:31:01.619 --> 01:31:02.819
think, fuck it, go for it.

2086
01:31:02.880 --> 01:31:06.119
Like if it's silly and high concept, this show can do it.

2087
01:31:06.239 --> 01:31:09.539
Because there are no consequences, so no one has to agonise about

2088
01:31:09.539 --> 01:31:10.199
being a child.

2089
01:31:10.319 --> 01:31:13.079
A scene where O'Brien and Keiko are sitting on the bed and she's a

2090
01:31:13.079 --> 01:31:13.319
child.

2091
01:31:13.380 --> 01:31:15.359
Oh, my word, it's so...

2092
01:31:15.359 --> 01:31:16.260
It's hilarious.

2093
01:31:16.380 --> 01:31:18.899
But she's kind of going so, Miles.

2094
01:31:18.960 --> 01:31:19.800
Are we going to fuck?

2095
01:31:19.800 --> 01:31:22.380
and it's kind of like, yeah, like no?

2096
01:31:22.439 --> 01:31:30.000
Yuck. man Kind of manages to be amazing even as a child, doesn't

2097
01:31:30.000 --> 01:31:30.239
she?

2098
01:31:30.300 --> 01:31:30.840
Yeah.

2099
01:31:30.899 --> 01:31:34.020
Well, that little girl who plays Guy and as a child also plays

2100
01:31:34.020 --> 01:31:39.060
Whoopi Goldberg as a child in Sister Act. Yeah, yeah.

2101
01:31:39.119 --> 01:31:42.779
So she's your go-to person for Whoopi Goldberg as a child in this

2102
01:31:42.779 --> 01:31:42.960
year.

2103
01:31:43.020 --> 01:31:44.579
Why is Whoopi Goldberg in this?

2104
01:31:44.640 --> 01:31:46.920
Yeah, she's not in Sirius 7 at all.

2105
01:31:46.979 --> 01:31:50.159
It was a choice between series 7 or generations, I think.

2106
01:31:50.220 --> 01:31:52.739
She's invited to have her generations.

2107
01:31:52.800 --> 01:31:54.239
This is a shame.

2108
01:31:54.300 --> 01:31:55.199
Pretty good scene.

2109
01:31:55.260 --> 01:31:56.279
Oh, a couple of scenes.

2110
01:31:56.340 --> 01:31:57.300
Yeah, that's true.

2111
01:31:57.359 --> 01:32:01.140
Do you know, I'm wondering if the Paramount execs should have

2112
01:32:01.140 --> 01:32:03.539
taken a closer eye on what's happening in all good things, you

2113
01:32:03.539 --> 01:32:05.460
know, and said, actually, perhaps we shouldn't have Brandon

2114
01:32:05.460 --> 01:32:08.279
Bragger and Ronald D. Moore right in generations.

2115
01:32:08.279 --> 01:32:11.640
Because maybe it won't, I'll tell you what, that ain't a great

2116
01:32:11.640 --> 01:32:12.359
script, right?

2117
01:32:12.420 --> 01:32:13.020
generation.

2118
01:32:13.079 --> 01:32:13.739
Jesus.

2119
01:32:13.739 --> 01:32:15.659
The people of Veridian 3.

2120
01:32:15.960 --> 01:32:19.260
I was so, so engaged.

2121
01:32:19.319 --> 01:32:20.340
No, what is it?

2122
01:32:20.399 --> 01:32:22.260
Like...

2123
01:32:22.380 --> 01:32:23.159
Yeah, yeah.

2124
01:32:23.220 --> 01:32:27.539
I really cared about whether they survived, even though I had

2125
01:32:27.539 --> 01:32:28.859
never seen them.

2126
01:32:28.920 --> 01:32:31.260
Oh, and look at how many times we're going to blow the fucking

2127
01:32:31.260 --> 01:32:33.180
enterprise up in this series.

2128
01:32:33.239 --> 01:32:34.739
I guess we get to do it 3 more times.

2129
01:32:34.800 --> 01:32:36.239
I'm trying to touch it here.

2130
01:32:37.439 --> 01:32:39.180
Did you notice?

2131
01:32:39.239 --> 01:32:42.239
There was a very dramatic zoom in on Picard then whilst he was

2132
01:32:42.239 --> 01:32:43.979
doing his wobbly.

2133
01:32:44.039 --> 01:32:44.640
Exactly acting.

2134
01:32:44.699 --> 01:32:45.600
It was marvellous.

2135
01:32:48.659 --> 01:32:51.239
Oh, we're gonna blow up.

2136
01:32:51.300 --> 01:32:52.680
But you know what?

2137
01:32:52.739 --> 01:32:58.500
It's very easy for ours. 25 years later to look at this and take

2138
01:32:58.500 --> 01:33:03.479
the Mickey out of the execution and mock the writing and all of

2139
01:33:03.479 --> 01:33:03.659
this.

2140
01:33:03.720 --> 01:33:05.939
We freaking love this.

2141
01:33:06.060 --> 01:33:07.380
Oh, my God.

2142
01:33:07.439 --> 01:33:08.220
Oh, yeah.

2143
01:33:08.279 --> 01:33:13.319
I think I probably had some reservations about it, but what it

2144
01:33:13.319 --> 01:33:15.300
does...

2145
01:33:15.359 --> 01:33:16.920
I mean the show as a whole.

2146
01:33:16.979 --> 01:33:17.640
Oh, God, yeah.

2147
01:33:17.699 --> 01:33:22.619
But I think this episode does at least do the thing, which I said

2148
01:33:22.619 --> 01:33:29.520
at the beginning of this episode of USTP, which is that it lets us

2149
01:33:29.520 --> 01:33:33.300
hang out with these people for one last time for an hour and a

2150
01:33:33.300 --> 01:33:35.159
half and see them do different things.

2151
01:33:35.399 --> 01:33:40.020
And if we're going to point at the next generation and say, is

2152
01:33:40.020 --> 01:33:43.560
there one thing that it did incredibly well, is it let us hang out

2153
01:33:43.560 --> 01:33:45.000
with those people for 7 years?

2154
01:33:45.000 --> 01:33:46.500
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

2155
01:33:46.560 --> 01:33:47.039
Yeah.

2156
01:33:47.640 --> 01:33:48.119
And that was fun.

2157
01:33:48.180 --> 01:33:48.960
We loved it.

2158
01:33:49.020 --> 01:33:53.460
I think it recreated Star Trek in a pretty good way.

2159
01:33:53.520 --> 01:33:58.979
Like it created a world for Star Trek to happen in, which it

2160
01:33:58.979 --> 01:34:02.880
doesn't really have until Berman takes over, I think.

2161
01:34:03.239 --> 01:34:07.199
Another thing I found very interesting when I watched Next

2162
01:34:07.199 --> 01:34:11.819
Generation through when I did the reviews for my blog was that it

2163
01:34:11.819 --> 01:34:16.920
had far more of a staple of semi-recurring characters than I

2164
01:34:16.920 --> 01:34:17.460
remembered.

2165
01:34:17.520 --> 01:34:18.300
Yeah.

2166
01:34:18.300 --> 01:34:24.659
And it actually like plotted the map of the alpha quadrant far

2167
01:34:24.659 --> 01:34:26.220
more adeptly than I remembered.

2168
01:34:26.279 --> 01:34:30.600
And, okay, I'm slight criticism, it doesn't do anything

2169
01:34:30.600 --> 01:34:32.039
interesting with it, really.

2170
01:34:32.100 --> 01:34:32.760
No.

2171
01:34:32.760 --> 01:34:37.439
But what it did was it set up the map for DS9.

2172
01:34:37.680 --> 01:34:39.779
Yeah. then they ran with it.

2173
01:34:39.840 --> 01:34:40.560
You know?

2174
01:34:40.739 --> 01:34:44.159
And I think one of the reasons that they move Voyager, like they

2175
01:34:44.159 --> 01:34:47.520
decide to set Voyager in the Delta Quadrant is because they want

2176
01:34:47.520 --> 01:34:52.079
to have a go at giving Voyager the chance to do that rather than

2177
01:34:52.079 --> 01:34:56.460
have Voyager taking place in an existing space that we know very

2178
01:34:56.460 --> 01:34:56.819
well.

2179
01:34:56.939 --> 01:35:00.000
You know, you've got Deep Space 9 to do that.

2180
01:35:00.060 --> 01:35:03.239
And obviously it gets Voyager out of Deep Space 9's way so that

2181
01:35:03.239 --> 01:35:06.479
Deep Space 9 can do things that don't affect Voyager and vice

2182
01:35:06.479 --> 01:35:06.899
versa.

2183
01:35:06.960 --> 01:35:14.520
But I think I don't think DS9 would be as substantial as it is if

2184
01:35:14.520 --> 01:35:17.939
those building blocks had not been established by the next

2185
01:35:17.939 --> 01:35:18.300
generation.

2186
01:35:18.359 --> 01:35:19.020
Yeah.

2187
01:35:19.079 --> 01:35:25.619
Well, like the Cardassians are in next gen partly to support the

2188
01:35:25.619 --> 01:35:28.140
creation of Deep Space Nine, aren't they?

2189
01:35:28.199 --> 01:35:32.579
Like, they appear in series four, but then they're kind of

2190
01:35:32.579 --> 01:35:39.300
properly addressed in series 5 and that's partly to get, um, oh

2191
01:35:39.300 --> 01:35:43.319
the Marquis is brought in deliberately for Voyager.

2192
01:35:43.380 --> 01:35:46.020
It didn't really work out that way, but that was the purpose it

2193
01:35:46.020 --> 01:35:46.560
was brought in.

2194
01:35:46.680 --> 01:35:47.340
Yeah, yeah.

2195
01:35:47.399 --> 01:35:49.500
And I think the Cardassians are a great idea.

2196
01:35:49.560 --> 01:35:54.779
They're a good sort of updated analogue, they're like, um, you

2197
01:35:54.779 --> 01:35:56.819
know, like an occupying force.

2198
01:35:57.239 --> 01:36:02.100
And that's a thing that's super interesting.

2199
01:36:02.159 --> 01:36:05.399
And that is interesting about the way Deep Space 9 set up, you

2200
01:36:05.399 --> 01:36:07.920
know, that that's in the aftermath of the end of an occupation.

2201
01:36:07.979 --> 01:36:08.640
I think that's interesting.

2202
01:36:08.699 --> 01:36:14.159
What is fairly unfortunate, that we've had dissent, which we were

2203
01:36:14.159 --> 01:36:15.180
quite critical about.

2204
01:36:15.239 --> 01:36:17.039
And then this, which we've had issues with.

2205
01:36:17.100 --> 01:36:22.140
I think it's worth remembering in like seasons three, four, 5, and

2206
01:36:22.140 --> 01:36:24.359
6 the hit rate of next gen.

2207
01:36:24.420 --> 01:36:26.699
He's really strong.

2208
01:36:26.760 --> 01:36:27.359
You know?

2209
01:36:27.779 --> 01:36:30.899
Those years are very, very good seasons of next year.

2210
01:36:30.960 --> 01:36:31.859
Oh, this is lovely.

2211
01:36:31.920 --> 01:36:33.600
I love I love his reaction here.

2212
01:36:34.079 --> 01:36:35.760
Yeah.

2213
01:36:36.420 --> 01:36:37.859
Yeah.

2214
01:36:40.979 --> 01:36:42.659
Oh, dear.

2215
01:36:42.720 --> 01:36:45.960
It's not a Brannan Braga script if we're not right back to the

2216
01:36:45.960 --> 01:36:46.380
beginning.

2217
01:36:49.739 --> 01:36:52.680
Of course there are no consequences.

2218
01:36:54.180 --> 01:36:55.619
Yeah.

2219
01:36:55.680 --> 01:37:01.920
But, but, in theory, uh, Picard remembers this, he's learned

2220
01:37:01.920 --> 01:37:06.479
something, God knows what, he's learned about tachyon scans and

2221
01:37:06.479 --> 01:37:07.859
anomaly isn't.

2222
01:37:07.859 --> 01:37:11.579
If the stakes are high enough, the destruction of the entire human

2223
01:37:11.579 --> 01:37:12.000
race.

2224
01:37:12.060 --> 01:37:13.199
He's willing to commit suicide.

2225
01:37:13.260 --> 01:37:14.939
Yeah, there we go.

2226
01:37:15.000 --> 01:37:16.859
But here we go.

2227
01:37:18.840 --> 01:37:25.260
Now, what's particularly compelling about this scene is it's the

2228
01:37:25.260 --> 01:37:26.520
best scene in the episode.

2229
01:37:26.760 --> 01:37:29.640
And it's just some sitting around playing poker.

2230
01:37:29.699 --> 01:37:34.260
It's so good. look how relaxed they are.

2231
01:37:34.319 --> 01:37:39.300
Look, look how, like, I think that Gates does a great job in this

2232
01:37:39.300 --> 01:37:42.000
scene because she's super chill.

2233
01:37:42.060 --> 01:37:42.960
You know.

2234
01:37:43.020 --> 01:37:46.380
Oh, I love the marina-sized reaction.

2235
01:37:46.439 --> 01:37:48.000
Oh, yeah, that's great.

2236
01:37:48.060 --> 01:37:49.439
That's so great.

2237
01:37:49.500 --> 01:37:52.319
It's so funny Imagine if that was true.

2238
01:37:52.380 --> 01:37:53.220
No, I'm kidding.

2239
01:37:53.279 --> 01:37:58.859
I like the local marina surface's face when Picard comes in and

2240
01:37:58.859 --> 01:38:00.539
she goes, ooh.

2241
01:38:01.560 --> 01:38:04.020
I love her.

2242
01:38:04.079 --> 01:38:07.800
She's the one who says you are always welcome.

2243
01:38:07.859 --> 01:38:08.880
It's beautiful.

2244
01:38:08.939 --> 01:38:13.619
And even just there's a slow slide onto his face and it's just so

2245
01:38:13.619 --> 01:38:14.640
understated.

2246
01:38:14.699 --> 01:38:15.359
It's beautiful.

2247
01:38:15.420 --> 01:38:19.800
I think like these guys know they're going to be back in the

2248
01:38:19.800 --> 01:38:23.760
studio next week, but they do know that that something is ending

2249
01:38:23.760 --> 01:38:28.920
and I do think that you can see it in Marina and Gates as

2250
01:38:28.920 --> 01:38:29.880
performances.

2251
01:38:30.720 --> 01:38:34.739
Well, because as well, like even though I said the movies I like

2252
01:38:34.739 --> 01:38:38.279
you know, big budget episodes, I don't really look like episodes.

2253
01:38:38.399 --> 01:38:39.479
I don't really feel like episodes.

2254
01:38:39.539 --> 01:38:43.439
The plots are like next gen episodes, but they're shot in a very

2255
01:38:43.439 --> 01:38:45.300
yeah, and the production would have been completely different.

2256
01:38:45.359 --> 01:38:48.000
This wouldn't have been like coming into work every day and doing

2257
01:38:48.000 --> 01:38:49.260
another episode or whatever.

2258
01:38:49.319 --> 01:38:54.060
Um, I think it's also really sort of slightly shit that they're

2259
01:38:54.060 --> 01:38:55.920
talking about Deanna dying.

2260
01:38:55.979 --> 01:38:59.100
Like, I'm hoping that they didn't mention that Picard didn't

2261
01:38:59.100 --> 01:39:00.840
mention that to Deanna herself.

2262
01:39:01.199 --> 01:39:03.840
In one possible future, you know.

2263
01:39:03.899 --> 01:39:06.359
And then Deanna comes in, oh, we were just talking about you.

2264
01:39:06.420 --> 01:39:12.060
We decided to not get cross with one another when you die like in

2265
01:39:12.060 --> 01:39:12.600
5 years time.

2266
01:39:12.659 --> 01:39:16.140
The overhead shore of them all.

2267
01:39:16.199 --> 01:39:18.539
Now, I've seen that as a painting, you know, someone, someone did

2268
01:39:18.539 --> 01:39:22.380
that as a painting. and it's, it, it hasn't even dogs playing

2269
01:39:22.380 --> 01:39:22.859
poker.

2270
01:39:26.220 --> 01:39:30.720
But what's annoying about that shot is that's the most visually

2271
01:39:30.720 --> 01:39:32.340
interesting bit of direction in the whole episode.

2272
01:39:32.399 --> 01:39:37.739
Yeah, and it spins around, like I like it, and then we go out to

2273
01:39:37.739 --> 01:39:38.939
the model shot.

2274
01:39:39.000 --> 01:39:43.439
And do you remember how Picard begins with a swoop in on the

2275
01:39:43.439 --> 01:39:43.920
Enterprise?

2276
01:39:43.979 --> 01:39:45.359
It's almost like we're.

2277
01:39:45.420 --> 01:39:46.500
Well, I think.

2278
01:39:46.560 --> 01:39:49.800
Are we playing poker on inten forward?

2279
01:39:49.859 --> 01:39:51.239
Yeah, I think we are.

2280
01:39:51.300 --> 01:39:51.779
Yeah, yeah.

2281
01:39:52.140 --> 01:39:54.659
Well, that was a thing. wasn't it?

2282
01:39:54.779 --> 01:39:58.140
Yeah, I mean, I will never not love that.

2283
01:39:58.199 --> 01:40:02.939
You know, but, you know, it's fun to rip holes in it as well.

2284
01:40:03.180 --> 01:40:08.819
I'm going to do something unusual. at the end of this and not ask

2285
01:40:08.819 --> 01:40:11.880
you to sort of summarise what you think of all good things, but I

2286
01:40:11.880 --> 01:40:19.319
want you to explain to me why Star Trek the Next Generation is

2287
01:40:19.319 --> 01:40:23.279
you're really it's your your love affair with Star Trek is it?

2288
01:40:23.279 --> 01:40:25.680
It's where it began and it's your kind of go to.

2289
01:40:25.739 --> 01:40:26.640
Yeah.

2290
01:40:26.640 --> 01:40:27.180
Why is that?

2291
01:40:27.300 --> 01:40:33.659
I think, you know, however much I complain about the kind of space

2292
01:40:33.659 --> 01:40:37.439
problem of the week, you know, the way that it's designed for

2293
01:40:37.439 --> 01:40:41.340
syndication, so there are no consequences and no one changes and

2294
01:40:41.340 --> 01:40:42.720
nothing different happens.

2295
01:40:42.779 --> 01:40:46.680
You know, no one learns anything particularly in any given

2296
01:40:46.680 --> 01:40:47.460
episode.

2297
01:40:47.520 --> 01:40:53.579
I just think that there's something fun about that.

2298
01:40:53.640 --> 01:40:57.659
And I love the space problems format.

2299
01:40:57.720 --> 01:40:59.579
However much I make fun of it.

2300
01:40:59.640 --> 01:41:04.619
The idea that you have these group of competent people, a world

2301
01:41:04.619 --> 01:41:09.659
that obeys certain rules, and then every week you throw a problem

2302
01:41:09.659 --> 01:41:12.420
at them that has to be solved.

2303
01:41:12.539 --> 01:41:14.939
I think it's really fun.

2304
01:41:15.000 --> 01:41:17.520
But I also think there's a historical reason for it.

2305
01:41:17.579 --> 01:41:22.020
Like, Star Trek the Next Generation comes out when Doctor Who

2306
01:41:22.020 --> 01:41:22.859
stops.

2307
01:41:22.920 --> 01:41:29.039
It's the 1st show that maybe the 1st American show that I'm ever

2308
01:41:29.039 --> 01:41:32.399
really properly, properly interested in.

2309
01:41:32.460 --> 01:41:36.779
And I remember reading stuff, like the internet was kind of

2310
01:41:36.779 --> 01:41:42.180
starting, you know, everyone goes onto the internet in 1993 or

2311
01:41:42.180 --> 01:41:42.600
whatever.

2312
01:41:42.659 --> 01:41:44.880
And I guess the age that I was at.

2313
01:41:44.939 --> 01:41:49.560
I remember cycling from video store to video store to try and find

2314
01:41:49.560 --> 01:41:51.119
videotapes of new episodes.

2315
01:41:51.180 --> 01:41:56.460
I remember videotapes being posted out to friends of mine and

2316
01:41:56.460 --> 01:41:57.840
watching them that way.

2317
01:41:57.899 --> 01:42:02.760
Like, it was that time and just those people.

2318
01:42:02.819 --> 01:42:05.699
And I've always watched it over and over again.

2319
01:42:05.760 --> 01:42:09.960
Whereas Deep Space 9 is harder to dip into once it gets going.

2320
01:42:10.079 --> 01:42:12.060
It's interesting, isn't it?

2321
01:42:12.119 --> 01:42:16.680
Because you can't, you, that nostalgia and that, the kind of

2322
01:42:16.680 --> 01:42:19.500
discovering it at the time and friends that you made through this

2323
01:42:19.500 --> 01:42:23.460
and the discussion and the excitement, you know, and obviously I

2324
01:42:23.460 --> 01:42:25.439
had that with the S9 when I watched that with my mum.

2325
01:42:25.500 --> 01:42:26.579
Yeah.

2326
01:42:26.640 --> 01:42:28.920
I can't remove that.

2327
01:42:28.920 --> 01:42:32.220
So when I watch it, that love just pours out, me, even if I'm

2328
01:42:32.220 --> 01:42:33.659
watching Move Along Home, you know?

2329
01:42:33.720 --> 01:42:35.640
Yeah, and I guess that's it too.

2330
01:42:35.880 --> 01:42:39.720
Because it's just a TV show.

2331
01:42:39.840 --> 01:42:43.619
When it face plants or does something stupid.

2332
01:42:43.680 --> 01:42:45.659
That's fun.

2333
01:42:45.779 --> 01:42:47.159
Like, I love that.

2334
01:42:47.220 --> 01:42:49.920
I don't think I would love the show if I did it routinely and what

2335
01:42:49.920 --> 01:42:55.199
you said before about series 3, 4, 5, and 6 just being incredible

2336
01:42:55.199 --> 01:42:56.880
is true.

2337
01:42:57.000 --> 01:43:01.739
But some of the some of the next gen dubs are the most glorious

2338
01:43:01.739 --> 01:43:02.760
episodes of stuff.

2339
01:43:02.819 --> 01:43:03.899
Some grosser.

2340
01:43:03.960 --> 01:43:05.340
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

2341
01:43:05.399 --> 01:43:06.420
I love that to death.

2342
01:43:06.479 --> 01:43:06.960
That's awesome.

2343
01:43:07.020 --> 01:43:08.640
And so that's fun.

2344
01:43:08.699 --> 01:43:11.399
Like when it's fun and it's silly and it's something that you can

2345
01:43:11.399 --> 01:43:12.180
make fun of.

2346
01:43:12.239 --> 01:43:16.739
And, you know, like my other loves are Doctor Who and James Bond

2347
01:43:16.739 --> 01:43:22.199
that work in the same way, you know, they're often just great, but

2348
01:43:22.199 --> 01:43:24.359
when they're crappy, they're hilarious.

2349
01:43:31.439 --> 01:43:36.060
All right, it's time to select next week's episode, and I have

2350
01:43:36.060 --> 01:43:40.500
control of the Randomiser, so I am at untitled Star Trek project

2351
01:43:39.899 --> 01:43:47.640
com slash randomiser, and I am going to choose an episode from one

2352
01:43:47.640 --> 01:43:49.020
of the following 3 series.

2353
01:43:49.260 --> 01:43:52.560
I want you to see if you can guess why.

2354
01:43:52.800 --> 01:43:55.199
Star Trek the animated series.

2355
01:43:55.260 --> 01:43:57.000
Because we haven't done it.

2356
01:43:57.060 --> 01:43:57.720
Yep.

2357
01:43:57.779 --> 01:44:01.439
And there's not that much of it, so there's not a high chance that

2358
01:44:01.439 --> 01:44:03.060
we'll actually get an episode.

2359
01:44:03.119 --> 01:44:04.859
So I'm willing to take the risk.

2360
01:44:04.920 --> 01:44:06.600
Star Trek Voyager.

2361
01:44:06.659 --> 01:44:09.420
Uh, because it's...

2362
01:44:09.420 --> 01:44:14.640
What we've just said, uh, in all good things, is either brilliant

2363
01:44:14.640 --> 01:44:15.720
or brilliantly terrible.

2364
01:44:15.779 --> 01:44:16.800
Yeah, yeah.

2365
01:44:16.859 --> 01:44:18.840
And we haven't seen it watch an episode for a bit.

2366
01:44:18.899 --> 01:44:20.159
Star Trek Enterprise.

2367
01:44:20.220 --> 01:44:21.960
Oh, I don't know why you chosen that one.

2368
01:44:22.079 --> 01:44:24.239
I want to do some 90 Star Trek.

2369
01:44:24.300 --> 01:44:28.979
We've been a little bit Kurtzman heavy lately, and you know, 90

2370
01:44:28.979 --> 01:44:32.100
Star Trek is the bulk of Star Trek, and we've done a bit of Deep

2371
01:44:32.100 --> 01:44:33.180
Space 9 lately.

2372
01:44:33.239 --> 01:44:37.739
So I wanted to choose the 290 Star Trek series that perhaps we

2373
01:44:37.739 --> 01:44:41.939
haven't done that much of and then throw the animated series in

2374
01:44:41.939 --> 01:44:43.859
just an element.

2375
01:44:43.920 --> 01:44:47.159
Yeah, to add an element of risk to the proceedings.

2376
01:44:47.399 --> 01:44:49.140
Is it that bad?

2377
01:44:50.279 --> 01:44:52.619
I'm buying my nails now.

2378
01:44:52.739 --> 01:44:55.140
All right, I'm going to press a button.

2379
01:44:55.739 --> 01:44:58.500
Oh, Jesus Christ.

2380
01:44:58.560 --> 01:45:03.359
Your random Star Trek Voyager episode is spirit folk.

2381
01:45:03.420 --> 01:45:05.939
Oh, my.

2382
01:45:05.939 --> 01:45:09.239
Talk about face planting.

2383
01:45:09.300 --> 01:45:11.039
I mean, it's like literally...

2384
01:45:11.039 --> 01:45:15.539
The only episode that's worse than Fairhaven is Spirit Five.

2385
01:45:16.380 --> 01:45:18.180
So bad.

2386
01:45:18.239 --> 01:45:20.460
We have an out and out badge.

2387
01:45:21.300 --> 01:45:26.279
Is it the one where Janeway has the boyfriend that she...

2388
01:45:26.279 --> 01:45:28.739
No, that's Fairhaven.

2389
01:45:28.800 --> 01:45:31.979
Spirit folk was a sequel they were forced to do because they built

2390
01:45:31.979 --> 01:45:32.640
all the sets.

2391
01:45:32.699 --> 01:45:36.359
So they hated it again and cast the people's name.

2392
01:45:36.359 --> 01:45:42.300
And the doctor was like a terribly like appalling Catholic

2393
01:45:42.300 --> 01:45:42.720
priest.

2394
01:45:42.779 --> 01:45:44.760
It's all very problematic.

2395
01:45:44.819 --> 01:45:46.260
No, let's not do that.

2396
01:45:46.319 --> 01:45:46.979
Awful.

2397
01:45:47.100 --> 01:45:50.100
Maybe if we we do up the long ladder.

2398
01:45:50.159 --> 01:45:53.939
That can be our offensive Irish stereotypes episode.

2399
01:45:54.239 --> 01:45:57.000
Well, then we'll do the one where the leprechaun turns up on...

2400
01:45:57.060 --> 01:45:59.640
Oh, I do love that bit.

2401
01:45:59.640 --> 01:46:02.340
Do you not remember that bit where he's like, um, he's Rumpo

2402
01:46:02.340 --> 01:46:03.779
Spielstein, and he's like, oh, fine.

2403
01:46:03.840 --> 01:46:04.920
Now everyone knows my name.

2404
01:46:07.199 --> 01:46:09.119
All right, here goes.

2405
01:46:09.539 --> 01:46:13.260
Ooh, ooh, Q2.

2406
01:46:13.500 --> 01:46:18.359
Series 7, episode 19 of Star Trek Voyager.

2407
01:46:18.420 --> 01:46:21.960
That is... another Q episode.

2408
01:46:22.260 --> 01:46:25.979
I don't think it's very good, but it has some very good scenes in

2409
01:46:25.979 --> 01:46:26.159
it.

2410
01:46:26.220 --> 01:46:28.020
But does it have Susie?

2411
01:46:28.079 --> 01:46:28.920
Is it news?

2412
01:46:29.399 --> 01:46:30.960
with John Delanti's son.

2413
01:46:31.020 --> 01:46:34.260
He turns he turns engineering into a nightclub.

2414
01:46:35.340 --> 01:46:38.100
I script 7 of nine.

2415
01:46:38.159 --> 01:46:40.319
And in a fabulous moment.

2416
01:46:40.380 --> 01:46:42.779
She's like, what, do you think I'm actually bothered that I'm

2417
01:46:42.779 --> 01:46:43.020
naked?

2418
01:46:43.079 --> 01:46:46.319
You have a look. don't care. gorgeous.

2419
01:46:46.380 --> 01:46:48.119
Yeah, she is.

2420
01:46:48.119 --> 01:46:50.399
Maybe not 2 cues in the row, though.

2421
01:46:50.460 --> 01:46:51.779
No, I think you're right.

2422
01:46:51.840 --> 01:46:55.079
Okay, this is Enterprise.

2423
01:46:55.140 --> 01:46:58.380
Series two, episode nine. singularity.

2424
01:46:58.439 --> 01:47:00.840
I have no idea what that's about.

2425
01:47:00.899 --> 01:47:04.079
Although it's called singularity, so it sounds very boring.

2426
01:47:04.199 --> 01:47:05.039
Yeah okay.

2427
01:47:05.399 --> 01:47:06.960
Okay.

2428
01:47:07.020 --> 01:47:08.880
It's Star Trek Voyager again.

2429
01:47:08.939 --> 01:47:12.359
We are reaching embarrassment level, so we have to pick something

2430
01:47:12.359 --> 01:47:12.779
quite soon.

2431
01:47:12.840 --> 01:47:13.800
Okay, cool.

2432
01:47:13.800 --> 01:47:16.680
Season four, episode six, The Raven.

2433
01:47:17.399 --> 01:47:19.439
That's an interesting one.

2434
01:47:19.500 --> 01:47:25.079
That's that's the one where 7 of 9 is having like flashbacks of a

2435
01:47:25.079 --> 01:47:27.000
bird and it takes it to the ship.

2436
01:47:27.060 --> 01:47:29.279
I think it's our parent ship that's crashed.

2437
01:47:29.340 --> 01:47:31.439
So it's a character heavy.

2438
01:47:31.500 --> 01:47:33.359
Seven's discovering her humanity episode.

2439
01:47:34.020 --> 01:47:36.060
Hmm, what do you think?

2440
01:47:36.119 --> 01:47:39.479
Yeah, I think it's an interesting one to talk about.

2441
01:47:39.600 --> 01:47:42.840
I kind of wanted to just do an ordinary episode.

2442
01:47:42.899 --> 01:47:45.420
You know, which is why I made that choice.

2443
01:47:45.479 --> 01:47:48.539
I just wanted to do just like, you know, what's on Voyager this

2444
01:47:48.539 --> 01:47:48.779
week.

2445
01:47:48.840 --> 01:47:51.060
And so maybe that's okay.

2446
01:47:51.119 --> 01:47:51.899
What do you think?

2447
01:47:51.960 --> 01:47:54.720
Yeah, I think that would be that would be an interesting one.

2448
01:47:54.840 --> 01:47:55.560
Okay, cool.

2449
01:47:55.619 --> 01:47:56.340
Let's do it.

2450
01:48:03.420 --> 01:48:07.859
You've been listening to untitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford

2451
01:48:07.859 --> 01:48:09.180
and Nathan Bottomley.

2452
01:48:09.239 --> 01:48:13.079
You can find us online at untitledstar trekproject.com where you

2453
01:48:13.079 --> 01:48:16.020
can find links to our Twitter, Facebook, and YouTube channel.

2454
01:48:16.079 --> 01:48:19.859
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Ciceran, and the theme was

2455
01:48:19.859 --> 01:48:21.600
composed by Cameron Lamb.

2456
01:48:21.659 --> 01:48:26.340
This episode was recorded on the 1st of March 2022 and released on

2457
01:48:26.340 --> 01:48:27.300
the 4th of March.

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01:48:27.359 --> 01:48:32.399
We'll see you next time for Star Trek Voyager, the Raven.