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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So, I have a confession to make.

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I was actually wrong last week, because I said that I thought that

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this would be realm of fear only shit, and I'm very much afraid

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that instead, it was, remember me only shit, and possibly the next

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phase only shit.

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Admiral were fair, and whispers, and distant voices, and many

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other Star Trek episodes.

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I'm less familiar with those, but I do think that this has some

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incredibly strong beads that are very similar to Remember Me and

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to the next phase, and it's vastly inferior to both of them, I

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think.

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Oh, please, you said that.

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I thought you meant strong as in they were strong beats in this

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episode.

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You only mean strong, as in the connection to previous episodes.

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Much better episodes.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So today we're watching Enterprise, series 2, episode 10, vanishing

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point.

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Like, this one sent us on Hoshi, and that was one of the reasons

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why I wanted to see it because we barely see her do anything.

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And she's nice, like she's fun to watch, I think.

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Is she fun to watch?

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Well, like, you know what?

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I was so excited that we were going to be watching Ho Sheep.

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Because we so rarely get to spend.

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We've done enough enterprise episodes now, and we so rarely get to

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spend much time with her.

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If she gets a line or a look, you know, we're lucky usually.

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So a whole episode with her would be, I kind of came away from

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this thinking, you're a pleasant character, but in no way engaging

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in no way do I want to learn more about you.

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And do you know what?

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If we didn't have another episode about you, that would be okay.

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But I mean, this is a show that has Malcolm and Travis in it as

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well.

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Do you know I mean?

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That's even more damning.

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Yeah.

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So I think I think she's charming and attractive.

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Do you know what I mean?

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And she sort of feels easy-going and stuff.

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Like, that was something...

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But I mean, if you think about remember me, which is very, very

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similar in all sorts of ways to this, and we complain about Gates

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McFadden's acting, but she's much, much more engaging and much

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more fun to watching that.

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But she's got a better episode, a more playful episode, an episode

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with much better dialogue in it.

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Like, you know, she's got more weapons in her arsenal, remember me

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than poor Linda Park has in this.

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So, so I want to talk about, remember me, because remember me is

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from the Imperial phase, obviously, of Star Trek, the Next

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Generation, and it's from that era where Michael Piller has said

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that it's not enough to have high concept science fiction things

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they have to happen to someone.

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And so remember me start with Beverly talking to Dr. Quace, her

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old friend who talks about mortality and having lost a lot of

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people.

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And of course, the one thing that we know about Beverly, even

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probably before we actually meet her, an encounter at Farpoint is

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that she's lost her husband.

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And the world that she gets transported into is a world where

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people are disappearing around her, and she gets more and more

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upset about the world getting smaller and smaller and smaller, and

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people that she loved and cared about disappearing.

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And so even though it is fun and light and great and all sorts of

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enjoyable things are happening.

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There's a sort of character thing that happens, which isn't always

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a given for Star Trek, the next generation.

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And not normally what Star Trek the Next Generation is about.

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Here, there was kind of room for that, and there is sort of an

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attempt, but in order to do it properly, it would have to admit

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the show would have to admit that it just routinely sidelines

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Hoshi, that she gets overlooked, that she doesn't matter, that

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this is a show that's essentially a boys club, and she just gets

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talked over through all of it.

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She's unimportant.

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And there is an attempt, I think, for the episode to sort of be

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about that, but it doesn't really want to actually admit to that.

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There's an episode of Buffy the Vampire Slayer called Invisible

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Girl in the 1st series and is doing what this episode is doing a

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100 times better.

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And that's about a one shot character who's this girl at the

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school who nobody notices and because they're on the hell mouth

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you know, the supernatural forces coming and she literally starts

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turning invisible in some truly like haunting sequences.

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Um, they're trying to do that here with Hoshi, but, like, they

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don't take it to its natural conclusion.

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She doesn't really come to any great realisations about it.

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At the end, she doesn't go, well, okay, I'm going to try and

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integrate and get to know people better.

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The ending literally just wipes out any potential character

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development by going, none of that was real, folks.

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It all happened within about 2.5 seconds instead of, I mean, I

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wish it only happened in 2.5 seconds. 42 minutes.

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It's really baffling because you're right.

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There is a bit in the middle where, you know, she's starting to

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say, you know, nobody ever really notices me here.

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I thought, okay, we're doing something. something's happening

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here.

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We're going to reach some kind of some kind of a conclusion about

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Hoshi.

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They were never going to admit though, were they?

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that they had sidelined that character.

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The writers, I mean.

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But also, I want to talk about Strange New World, which we did in

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series one. which had the nerve to suggest that going to an alien

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planet was something new and fresh and dynamic and exciting, even

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though we've been doing it for like 500 seasons before this.

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We're in season 2 now.

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And they're pulling the same shit with a transporter beam.

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Not only is that something we've been doing since original Star

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Trek in the 60s, right?

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We've even done people with fear of transporter beans before.

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We did Pulaski in TNG season two.

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We did Barclay in realm of fear.

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So like, why is nothing original happening in this show?

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And why are they attempting to suggest that the hoariest of

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cliches?

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Are something fresh and worth exploring?

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I just don't understand it.

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I don't understand who this is for.

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No.

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So I think it's for people who thought that Star Trek the Next

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Generation was very complicated and intersected.

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That's nobody at all.

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But I mean, that's the thing.

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Do you know what I mean?

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There's a very, very deliberate attempt to get away from Star Trek

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to make this dumber to have like mediocre white guys in charge of

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the ship and they're wearing baseball caps and like, did they ever

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think that was a good idea?

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I don't understand.

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I don't know.

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I don't know.

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But they clearly...

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When they were pitching the show, Nathan.

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Did they say, you know, we need a load of thick jocks. in charge

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of stock.

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We going to take Star Trek off the show, you know?

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And we're going to repackage all of the cliches we've been dealing

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with for ages as exciting new plot avenues.

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George W.

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Bush is in the White House, and this is what we're going for.

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Last week, right?

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We did Wear the Warrior, which had, you know, a complicated and

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sophisticated political manoeuvrings going on, huge space battles

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both primary and secondary cast all informing the story.

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You know, it was a substantialist 90s trek gets.

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How have we stripped back to this?

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And I mean, it wasn't Thomas Pinchin.

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Do you know what I mean?

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Like it wasn't, it wasn't that complicated.

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It was fairly strange.

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Compared to this.

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It was very complicated.

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Oh my god.

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But, I mean, it just, it baffles me as well.

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I think it's a very, very bad episode.

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And I think it fails at just being a basic hour of television and

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it could have worked.

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And it's so obvious what they should have done.

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Like, even if this was a Twilight Zone episode, or let's get

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anachronistic, like a Black Mirror episode.

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Like, it has to be about the character, and it has to be about

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something, and it's so nearly that, you know, how she doesn't want

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to be on board the ship.

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She's inexperienced.

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She's an ensign.

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She has a relationship, a good relationship with Jonathan.

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There's stuff there.

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But what you would have to do is you would have to take the scene

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where she goes up to the table in the mess hall and people talk

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over her and don't notice that she's there.

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And that would have had to have happened before the incident to

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establish that this was how she was feeling about herself and then

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have the thing that happens to her about herself and then her

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learning something.

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And we do try and make her learn something she learns to get on

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the transporter pad at the end.

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And so her fear is all solved.

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And that's not a character development that anyone could possibly

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give a shit about, I think.

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And the great twist of, obviously, it's all fakes, and this isn't

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actually the twist.

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The twist is it never happened at all, which is an even more

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boring twist than the, what is it?

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The coils were realigned badly.

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So that's why the transport, when that's the better twist of the 2

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twists.

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We're in a lot of trouble.

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But also the internal consistency within this fake dreamscape that

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she's going through. none of it makes any sense from scene to

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scene.

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She can be seen and she can't be seen by various people and

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there's no kind of rules as to who can see it.

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And from scene to scene, people are kind to her and other people

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like to Paul are really sort of mean to her.

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And so there's no through line with the characters either.

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So I was like, I don't understand what's happening even, what are

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the rules here?

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I don't get it.

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And then for you to just go, There were no rules.

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None of it ever happened.

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It all happened in 2 seconds, the end.

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I was like, okay, that this is as bad as move along home, you know

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it's all just a game.

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It's that again.

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But I mean, at least move along home is trying to make something

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interesting appear on screen and something that we haven't seen

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before and it kind of fails, but it's definitely more entertaining

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than this.

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This is so gray and so boring and so unambitious.

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That is Enterprise one and two.

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That's the perfect word.

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It's so unambitious.

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And just doing these scenes of characters, you know, walking

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around the ship with the same dismal incidental music playing that

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we've had for the last 10 years as they look at their hands and go

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oh, what's happening to me and put their hands through walls and

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take showers and odd things happen.

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Man you just can't get away with this stuff anymore.

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All right?

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You've been doing this since TNG season one.

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Like do something new and they get there.

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They do get, they don't know, we done 4 and they start doing more

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substantial storytelling and politicking and more interesting

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characterisation.

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Fuck me, they have, it's a long way to get there. 2 bloody seasons

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worth of this.

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They haven't learnt the most obvious thing, which is that Star

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Trek, the Next Generation takes off when best of both worlds

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happens.

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It gets good.

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It starts to get good at the beginning of series 3, but it really

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takes off when a big world shattering political event happens.

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And they've decided we've had years of world chattering political

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events.

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We're going to pair it back completely.

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We're going to have none of that at all.

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There's going to be Vulcans on Earth.

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That's all you need to know.

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There's no law, there's no backstory, there's no real interesting

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world for this to take place in, and we're just going to do

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routine procedural stuff that was pretty tired by series 7 of

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TNG.

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But the thing about TNG is that 2 things happened, yeah, at the

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same time, lightning in a bottle with that cast because they all

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had great chemistry.

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And it took them a couple of years, but they realised they've all

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got great chemistry, right?

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just make that flourish.

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At the same time that the storytelling got better and they just

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started telling really fun, interesting, sophisticated for the

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time. science fiction stories.

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But now what they're doing here is they're telling the same

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stories in a less interesting way with a less charismatic cast.

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In every way, it feels like a pale shadow of what TNG was doing in

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its heyday.

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It's so sad because I think this is a cast with ability.

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But they just, they needed writers that were willing to take

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greater risks with them.

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And Berman and Bragger, they're just so burnt out at this point.

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They're as misaligned as those transporter coils.

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All right, let's go in.

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We've got 42 minutes.

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We're still gonna talk.

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Look, we've got an hour in Linda Park.

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Let's be grateful for that.

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That's true.

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All right.

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Okay.

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Plus, you know, we got our fake planet set in the 1st scene.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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We've got the song to look forward to.

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So there's a lot going on. song, yeah, of course.

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Yeah, lightning storm, like odds, excitement.

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All right.

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I will count as in.

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Please.

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Five, four, three, two, one, and we're off.

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Nathan, I knew we was in trouble when the opening shot was a pan

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in on stock case number one.

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But I was getting some, you know, most recent season of Strange

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New Worlds vibes where we had these sort of weird Indiana Jones

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alien, um, cities and stuff with carvings and things.

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Oh, really?

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Yeah, obviously.

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I jumped in on an episode of Stargate SG1.

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This is how all their episodes open, you know, for rooms and caves

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and things.

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Yeah.

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I mean, this is...

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It's not altogether a bad start, is it?

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You know, ruins in caves.

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Okay, this could be interesting.

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And you've got Connor, he's appealing.

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Do you know what I mean?

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He creates a joke. he cracks a joke.

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You know, he does these little tall guys, a popular thing, the

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little guy on the on the plimp there.

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He's gotten over his season one.

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I'm a total prick to everybody face, isn't he?

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He's just, and they've realised he is charming.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Which they haven't realised about Bacula, which is just utterly

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baffling.

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I got nothing from bachelor at all in this episode.

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Even when he had to break the news of Hoshi's death.

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I've just got nothing at all.

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Because you knew it was fake.

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You knew that he wasn't dead.

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You knew that none of this mattered, and you probably suspected by

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this point because you've watched Star Trek before, that this was

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all, you know, going to be reset at the end.

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What's Jolene doing in this episode as well?

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She was unbelievably soporific in this, wasn't she?

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Like, there's just no emotion error.

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And I know she's a Vulcan, but you can still, you know, have a bit

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alive to your performance.

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I mean, you know, she's not Jerry.

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And I do think eventually she's very good.

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I think she does settle on something.

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She is actually quite good eventually.

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Well, yeah, but she gets better writing, you know, and they ask

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her to go through drug withdrawals and things like that where you

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have to actually act.

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Yeah, yeah.

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You know, the storm reminded me of, Nathan.

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Do you remember resolutions with J.

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Wen Jakotay down on the planet?

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Sort of the wind.

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Big storm.

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Dumbing this with the trees, electric storms.

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Yeah, my God.

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I mean, I get it, though.

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I do get it because I actually stopped and thought for a 2nd in

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the opening scene.

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If I was asked to go into a transporter beam and you explained to

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me that was taking apart my entire body and then putting it back

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together again.

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I might think twice about that, you know?

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That's quite a big thing.

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Yeah, I mean, but maybe this is about 15 seasons too late.

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I think that's part of the problem.

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I mean, I understand they say we want to go back in time when

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space travel was more challenging and, you know, it was a little

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bit less like, you know, piloting the Pacific princess around the

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galaxy or whatever, you know.

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And I get that.

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I think that makes sense.

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But what ends up happening is, ooh, it's a transporter.

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Ooh, it's in a way mission.

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It just makes everyone look stupid and incompetent, and it means

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that we're seeing stories that we've seen a lot of times before

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only more interestingly, and we're having to watch them again.

359
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See, like, and all of this as well.

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I didn't mind all of this, where it's a dangerous situation, she

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has to use it.

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There's no other way out of it.

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It's basically everything after when they when she's back on the

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ship.

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That's where I think this just all loses itself.

366
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Yeah, but I mean, this is over 35 years after the transporter was

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invented, wasn't it?

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Like, we've seen it.

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Like, we know.

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It's like going back.

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I'm watching the big goodbye.

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Do you remember the 1st Holodeck episode?

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Picard was like, my God.

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It was like, actually...

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But at least that was the 1st time it was you.

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That's right.

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That was us getting to see it.

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You know, that was what was important about it.

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It's us.

380
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Oh, okay, you are right.

381
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She's very beautiful.

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Yeah, yeah.

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I think she's more beautiful than she generally is allowed to look

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as well.

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I think her normal hair is pretty unflattering.

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Don't you remember her and the alternative?

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Midrish showing.

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Well, he's a middling turn in that.

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Yeah.

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I mean, it's heaps of bigger if here.

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Look, and I was trying to think about that.

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Gates is 41 in Remember Me and pregnant.

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She's wearing her coat in the whole episode.

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I don't think she's YouTube.

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And um, and, um, and, and Linda's 24.

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Right.

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And, and, um, yeah, yeah.

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So, you know, it's a thing.

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Oh, the highlight of the episode.

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It's been a long roll.

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Get them from there to here.

402
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It doesn't have Star Trek Enterprise on it.

403
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Does your version?

404
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Uh, no.

405
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No, it just says Enterprise.

406
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Yeah, Enterprise.

407
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Yeah.

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I think it's season three, isn't it?

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where they reinserted the Star Trek and maybe we distance

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ourselves too much from everything that made Star Trek right in

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one and two.

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Yeah.

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I mean, I actually think it was quite clever.

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It was the one thing that you could call a Star Trek show that

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didn't have the word enterprise in it. that didn't have the word

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Star Trek in it, rather.

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I thought that that was, you know, that was a clever choice, but

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you can see it is them very, very deliberately distancing

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themselves from what they've been doing for the last 14 years.

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Astonishing, though, this, isn't it?

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You pointed this out before, that all you see in this title

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sequence is men achieving.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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There is a woman.

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Where?

426
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I missed her.

427
00:19:36.180 --> 00:19:37.859
I think Amelia Earhart's in there, isn't she?

428
00:19:37.920 --> 00:19:40.380
I can't remember, but I mean, I think, yeah, but do you know

429
00:19:40.380 --> 00:19:40.559
what?

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It maybe could have been a bit more balance.

431
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I mean, I was watching there and I was like, no, man, man, man

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man.

433
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It's primarily men then, all right?

434
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I suppose they are advertising what you're getting in the show.

435
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Well, that's right.

436
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Two-thirds of the people on Enterprise and men, aren't they?

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Didn't we learn that from Oasis, the last time we came aboard this

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year?

439
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Can I just say, oh, these quarters dismal?

440
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This horrible gray colour?

441
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I know, I know.

442
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I would move in and go, can I paint this room, please?

443
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I do like the, and we do, we do do it in 1st contact, don't we

444
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where we actually give them a basin with water and tap?

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and things?

446
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And I do like the showers as well rather than salt showers. as

447
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well.

448
00:20:26.160 --> 00:20:27.299
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

449
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Although there's a very funny episode where archers in the shower

450
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at the start.

451
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Do you remember?

452
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And all the all the water freezes in the air. gravity goes out?

453
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To be fair, I wasn't really looking at the water freezing in the

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air during that scene.

455
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All right.

456
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Scott, back in her, I've been working out.

457
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Yeah, it's baffling, isn't it?

458
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Do you remember the warmth that we saw from the characters in Way

459
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of the Warrior last week?

460
00:20:54.119 --> 00:20:54.960
Yeah, yeah.

461
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You know, just think of the scene between Penny and Avery.

462
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And now look at this.

463
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And they're supposed to be friends, like he goes out of his way

464
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doesn't he, to find her?

465
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She's teaching in South America. you know, she goes to, he goes to

466
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find her to get her on board the ship.

467
00:21:11.519 --> 00:21:15.599
So they know one another well, but it's still sir and stuff.

468
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Do you know what I mean?

469
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She doesn't call him Jonathan, even though they've, you know.

470
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It is, it's staggering, isn't it, how much a very warm performer

471
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like Scott Bakler struggles with that character.

472
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And then this here.

473
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So this happens early in the episode.

474
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And like this is the problem with the show, isn't it?

475
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It's men just talking over her.

476
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And the other thing about this is she's worried that she's not

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good at her job.

478
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And then it turns out that the most mediocre white man imaginable

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crewman.

480
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No, is it, is it Crewman Baird?

481
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Who is it?

482
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Some asshole just can come in and do it. like can replace her.

483
00:22:01.380 --> 00:22:03.240
Oh, that's right.

484
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What, he figured out the syntax in a, just a few moments, you know

485
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he ran it, ran it through the universal translator.

486
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She said, no, I did that. hang on.

487
00:22:13.619 --> 00:22:15.960
Well, that's so obvious, right?

488
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of her thinking she's not competent at her job.

489
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That's just so the writing is just so one note there.

490
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But there's no sense of that throughout the show is the problem.

491
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Her 1st individual episode is that one where she imagines herself

492
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as a slug, or remember, there's a slug that she wants to set free

493
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on the surface of the planet, and the slug's in space, and she

494
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feels like the swan, because, like, it's so bad.

495
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I should remember that one, but I can't.

496
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It's just about her 1st episode.

497
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It really bad.

498
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It's the last time I seriously attempted to watch Enterprise all

499
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the way through.

500
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That's the episode that I thought, all right, yeah.

501
00:22:55.859 --> 00:22:58.380
Her series 3 episode that she gets.

502
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She only gets one a year, right?

503
00:22:59.880 --> 00:23:04.740
is the one where the, she sort of gets kidnapped by this bloke, um

504
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and and she's sort of trapped with him for the entire episode.

505
00:23:07.559 --> 00:23:10.740
She never really gets a great character study, I don't think.

506
00:23:10.799 --> 00:23:14.700
The best episode she gets is that 2 part also in the universe

507
00:23:14.700 --> 00:23:16.740
episode. as an actress.

508
00:23:16.799 --> 00:23:17.460
Yeah, yeah.

509
00:23:17.640 --> 00:23:21.480
Where she just gets to be so sexy, doesn't she?

510
00:23:21.599 --> 00:23:24.779
Now, this is, we get a mention of Australia.

511
00:23:24.839 --> 00:23:28.380
So trip goes to Australia in the 22nd century for his survival

512
00:23:28.380 --> 00:23:29.099
thing.

513
00:23:29.160 --> 00:23:32.759
He goes to Alice Springs, which is right in the middle, which is

514
00:23:32.759 --> 00:23:36.119
where the bus from Priscilla Queen of the Desert eventually ends

515
00:23:36.119 --> 00:23:36.539
up.

516
00:23:36.539 --> 00:23:39.900
So I've never been to Alice Springs.

517
00:23:39.960 --> 00:23:43.980
What we need, Nathan, is for Hoshi to be like Tapo in this scene

518
00:23:43.980 --> 00:23:47.460
and say, you know, you go a lot of cunts.

519
00:23:47.519 --> 00:23:48.299
Yeah.

520
00:23:49.500 --> 00:23:53.759
And then they just all walk off, you know, like and just leave.

521
00:23:53.819 --> 00:23:55.980
I'm far prettier than all of you.

522
00:23:56.279 --> 00:23:57.480
Why is spotlight not on me?

523
00:23:57.599 --> 00:24:00.299
Also, is she going to take the plates back?

524
00:24:00.420 --> 00:24:02.940
It's like, is she gonna clean up after it?

525
00:24:03.000 --> 00:24:05.279
Oh, can you do to wash it up, love, thanks.

526
00:24:05.339 --> 00:24:05.640
Yeah.

527
00:24:05.700 --> 00:24:07.859
Jesus Christ.

528
00:24:07.920 --> 00:24:10.140
Berman and Bruggeroo, that's what you can tell.

529
00:24:10.200 --> 00:24:14.519
Oh, now I did like the Dr. Flock scenes, and that's mostly because

530
00:24:14.519 --> 00:24:17.759
he's the one character that does exude any warp towards her.

531
00:24:17.819 --> 00:24:18.420
Yeah, yeah.

532
00:24:18.480 --> 00:24:21.960
Yeah, I like it when he says to her later on.

533
00:24:22.019 --> 00:24:24.359
Well, you know, the door's open to you and I can see you.

534
00:24:24.420 --> 00:24:25.019
Yes.

535
00:24:25.019 --> 00:24:26.160
So obviously you're here.

536
00:24:26.279 --> 00:24:27.960
Yeah, I do like that.

537
00:24:28.019 --> 00:24:29.279
I think he is charming.

538
00:24:29.339 --> 00:24:34.079
And because, you know, he's a bit older, he's not one of those, you

539
00:24:34.079 --> 00:24:41.220
know, like Malcolm, it was Malcolm Travis and, and, um, and Tripp

540
00:24:41.220 --> 00:24:43.559
you know, he's not one of the young.

541
00:24:43.619 --> 00:24:46.559
Well, you look at that sick bay bed, it looks more uncomfortable

542
00:24:46.559 --> 00:24:49.019
than the Deep Space 9 ones than I would have thought that was

543
00:24:49.019 --> 00:24:49.380
impossible.

544
00:24:49.440 --> 00:24:52.259
Yeah, it does look like it's made out of Mecano, doesn't it?

545
00:24:52.319 --> 00:24:55.619
Although we've said this before, we like that sort of nuts and

546
00:24:55.619 --> 00:24:55.980
bolts.

547
00:24:56.039 --> 00:24:56.940
Yeah, yeah.

548
00:24:57.000 --> 00:25:01.619
The fact that they have, you know, like monitors from 20 years ago

549
00:25:01.619 --> 00:25:03.240
it kind of vaulted to the world.

550
00:25:03.299 --> 00:25:06.539
I mean, monitors from the present day when they were making it, but

551
00:25:06.539 --> 00:25:09.299
these very old-fashioned computer monitors everywhere. look pretty

552
00:25:09.299 --> 00:25:09.480
good.

553
00:25:09.539 --> 00:25:12.420
You know, you can have nuts and bolts and still make things

554
00:25:12.420 --> 00:25:14.339
aesthetically pleasing though, you know?

555
00:25:14.400 --> 00:25:16.019
I like this set.

556
00:25:16.079 --> 00:25:18.359
It's a very, yeah, I like this set.

557
00:25:18.420 --> 00:25:19.799
Because it's quiet, you know?

558
00:25:19.859 --> 00:25:20.460
Yeah.

559
00:25:20.519 --> 00:25:21.119
Yeah.

560
00:25:21.240 --> 00:25:24.299
And those sort of days, they highlight against it.

561
00:25:24.299 --> 00:25:26.880
Whenever they're in those greys, say it's everyone just gets lost

562
00:25:26.940 --> 00:25:28.500
yeah Yeah.

563
00:25:28.559 --> 00:25:32.400
Did they learn nothing from Voyager and all that gun metal gray.

564
00:25:32.460 --> 00:25:40.680
And look at the sort of sexy, sexy hipster 70s print that, uh, that

565
00:25:40.680 --> 00:25:43.200
every time I think of his packy costume.

566
00:25:43.259 --> 00:25:45.720
I think of you going on about his swinger's outfit.

567
00:25:45.839 --> 00:25:48.539
Yeah, yeah, it's so great.

568
00:25:48.599 --> 00:25:51.000
Right, come on, Tom, everyone, get your keys on the ball.

569
00:25:51.059 --> 00:25:51.779
Let's go.

570
00:25:52.799 --> 00:25:55.200
I love that trophy.

571
00:25:55.259 --> 00:25:58.140
He does have an episode, doesn't he?

572
00:25:58.200 --> 00:26:00.420
He actually got several wives and husbands and things.

573
00:26:00.480 --> 00:26:01.319
They all share each other.

574
00:26:01.380 --> 00:26:05.700
Yeah, I don't I get the impression that Berman and Braga don't

575
00:26:05.700 --> 00:26:07.380
want him to be fucking his co-husbands.

576
00:26:07.440 --> 00:26:12.900
I think it's a very gender segregated polycule that he belongs

577
00:26:12.900 --> 00:26:13.140
to.

578
00:26:13.200 --> 00:26:18.480
But now we're going to have her in her pants and then we're going

579
00:26:18.480 --> 00:26:20.099
to have her in a meat drift top.

580
00:26:20.220 --> 00:26:22.380
And we'll have her in the shower.

581
00:26:22.440 --> 00:26:24.180
Oh, she's already been in the shower.

582
00:26:25.859 --> 00:26:28.440
I thought it was very tastefully done.

583
00:26:28.500 --> 00:26:31.380
There was sort of a screen in the shower, so we could pan up and

584
00:26:31.380 --> 00:26:33.839
make a body, but miss all the offending parts.

585
00:26:33.900 --> 00:26:38.640
Yeah, and now he slept in and that's the other thing too.

586
00:26:38.700 --> 00:26:45.240
Like, there is this sort of dream like quality to it, isn't there

587
00:26:45.240 --> 00:26:47.700
where firstly, she's in every scene.

588
00:26:47.819 --> 00:26:51.779
And even in scenes later on in the episode where she's disappeared

589
00:26:51.779 --> 00:26:54.480
she's still visible to us in the scene.

590
00:26:54.539 --> 00:26:57.900
So this entire thing is being told from her point of view.

591
00:26:57.960 --> 00:27:01.259
There's not a scene from here on in that she's not in.

592
00:27:01.319 --> 00:27:03.180
Well, it has to be, doesn't it?

593
00:27:03.240 --> 00:27:05.160
why the episode doesn't work. of them are real.

594
00:27:05.220 --> 00:27:07.799
That's right. that's right How can we be following them?

595
00:27:07.920 --> 00:27:10.140
Do you think they gave her the script and went, Linda, you're in

596
00:27:10.140 --> 00:27:12.240
every scene. in this one.

597
00:27:12.299 --> 00:27:13.019
Oh my god.

598
00:27:13.079 --> 00:27:17.460
And so, and so that thing where, you know, she wakes up, she slept

599
00:27:17.460 --> 00:27:21.779
in, and they, something has developed in the plot, um, that she's

600
00:27:21.779 --> 00:27:25.019
not aware of, and there's a language thing to solve, and she fails

601
00:27:25.019 --> 00:27:29.759
like, but none of it's off-putting enough or odd enough?

602
00:27:29.819 --> 00:27:30.779
Do you know what I mean?

603
00:27:30.839 --> 00:27:31.859
Yeah, you're right.

604
00:27:31.920 --> 00:27:33.599
The direction isn't strong enough, is it?

605
00:27:33.660 --> 00:27:38.640
Like, think of, remember me. and how Twilight's only that was, you

606
00:27:38.640 --> 00:27:39.900
know, the weirdness in that.

607
00:27:39.960 --> 00:27:47.279
Because, I mean, the issue here is that, that we don't think, like

608
00:27:47.279 --> 00:27:50.279
we know that the, it's not going to be, she's just coming to

609
00:27:50.279 --> 00:27:51.960
pieces because she's been in the transporter.

610
00:27:52.019 --> 00:27:52.859
Do you know what I mean?

611
00:27:52.920 --> 00:27:54.480
That's not going to be how it resolves.

612
00:27:54.539 --> 00:27:57.779
So we know it's something else. know that this isn't real in some

613
00:27:57.779 --> 00:27:58.380
way.

614
00:27:58.440 --> 00:28:04.200
And maybe Berman and Braga are imagining a pretend person who's

615
00:28:04.200 --> 00:28:07.920
tuned into enterprise because they don't realise it's Star Trek

616
00:28:07.920 --> 00:28:10.079
and doesn't know all this shit.

617
00:28:10.140 --> 00:28:10.920
Do you know what I mean?

618
00:28:10.980 --> 00:28:14.160
Or hasn't watched TV before, possibly, and thinks one of the

619
00:28:14.160 --> 00:28:17.460
regulars whose names in the title sequence is likely to be killed

620
00:28:17.460 --> 00:28:18.059
at the end.

621
00:28:18.119 --> 00:28:20.160
But I think it can.

622
00:28:20.220 --> 00:28:23.339
I really thought it was going to go down the invisible girl room

623
00:28:23.339 --> 00:28:23.519
though.

624
00:28:23.579 --> 00:28:26.460
I thought, like, she'd gone in the transporter bin, then they give

625
00:28:26.460 --> 00:28:28.920
you some terrible technobabble reason as to why it didn't work

626
00:28:28.920 --> 00:28:29.099
out.

627
00:28:29.160 --> 00:28:32.700
She's going to start vanishing before.

628
00:28:32.759 --> 00:28:34.799
Yeah, that like vanishing out of existence.

629
00:28:34.859 --> 00:28:39.839
And in some way, they would affirm her and bring her back.

630
00:28:39.960 --> 00:28:43.859
And then she would feel integrated, which is what happens in the

631
00:28:43.859 --> 00:28:45.720
next phase, isn't it?

632
00:28:45.779 --> 00:28:52.559
Where the next phase, Geordie and Row actually rematerialize at

633
00:28:52.559 --> 00:28:55.799
the funeral at their wake.

634
00:28:55.859 --> 00:28:56.940
So great.

635
00:28:57.119 --> 00:29:01.740
It's really fun and funny. and they're listening to the people.

636
00:29:01.799 --> 00:29:02.700
Who is it?

637
00:29:02.759 --> 00:29:05.160
Someone has something really nice to say about Rowan, we never

638
00:29:05.160 --> 00:29:05.700
hear what it is.

639
00:29:05.759 --> 00:29:06.539
Riker.

640
00:29:06.960 --> 00:29:07.619
It's Riker.

641
00:29:07.680 --> 00:29:10.200
And she goes, no, I want to hear it.

642
00:29:10.259 --> 00:29:11.039
I want to hear it.

643
00:29:11.220 --> 00:29:12.839
It's really fun and funny.

644
00:29:13.440 --> 00:29:17.400
But in that, they're literally running through room to room, you

645
00:29:17.400 --> 00:29:17.640
know?

646
00:29:17.700 --> 00:29:20.940
after the Romulan, they're going to chase this.

647
00:29:21.000 --> 00:29:23.819
They try and do that here by having those generic lizard people.

648
00:29:23.880 --> 00:29:25.380
So boring.

649
00:29:25.920 --> 00:29:29.640
Yeah, but she just sort of casually, glacially walks through the

650
00:29:29.640 --> 00:29:30.480
walls in that.

651
00:29:30.480 --> 00:29:32.819
In the in the TNG one.

652
00:29:32.880 --> 00:29:35.700
They are dashing from room to room.

653
00:29:35.759 --> 00:29:37.500
That's right, little...

654
00:29:38.940 --> 00:29:42.119
Picard is death like, what was that?

655
00:29:45.180 --> 00:29:45.900
you're right.

656
00:29:45.960 --> 00:29:46.259
There you go.

657
00:29:46.319 --> 00:29:46.920
Oh, here we are.

658
00:29:46.980 --> 00:29:48.000
In the shower.

659
00:29:48.059 --> 00:29:48.599
Here we go.

660
00:29:48.839 --> 00:29:50.279
Yeah.

661
00:29:50.339 --> 00:29:54.720
I mean, but when the most exciting thing we can say is, 0 my god

662
00:29:54.720 --> 00:29:55.559
physical water.

663
00:29:55.680 --> 00:29:58.680
I mean the episode's gone awry a bit, hasn't it?

664
00:29:58.740 --> 00:30:01.380
And, you know, like, you and me, we're not exactly going to be

665
00:30:01.380 --> 00:30:04.380
titillated by as attractive as she is.

666
00:30:04.500 --> 00:30:07.680
But, I mean, the physical water thing is actually a thing because

667
00:30:07.680 --> 00:30:11.039
that is expensive. more expensive than they could have achieved on

668
00:30:11.039 --> 00:30:15.240
Star Trek the Next Generation with its daytime soap opera budget.

669
00:30:15.839 --> 00:30:20.400
But I've seen so many 90s Shreks episodes where they do this sort

670
00:30:20.400 --> 00:30:25.019
of dreamlike camera work and they use the fish eye lens, you know

671
00:30:25.019 --> 00:30:28.319
and stuff like that and it's genuinely very, very creepy.

672
00:30:28.380 --> 00:30:32.099
Here, it's just so mundane in how it's all short.

673
00:30:32.160 --> 00:30:37.500
He's the director's just sort of doing slow pans across the room

674
00:30:37.500 --> 00:30:38.880
very often.

675
00:30:38.940 --> 00:30:40.259
He sort of shoots from below.

676
00:30:40.319 --> 00:30:41.700
But I don't know.

677
00:30:41.759 --> 00:30:44.220
There's just no oomph to it.

678
00:30:44.279 --> 00:30:45.299
No spark to it.

679
00:30:45.359 --> 00:30:49.440
And there's a real definite choice of having the ceiling in shot

680
00:30:49.440 --> 00:30:53.880
which I think, you know, that's okay, because normally those sets

681
00:30:53.880 --> 00:30:56.759
water and ceilings, again, I'm getting excited about it. getting

682
00:30:56.759 --> 00:30:57.240
desperate.

683
00:30:57.299 --> 00:31:01.319
So this is David Stratan, who does 10 episodes of Enterprise

684
00:31:01.319 --> 00:31:06.720
including fan favourite, a night in Sick Bay, which is... your fan

685
00:31:06.720 --> 00:31:07.319
favourite.

686
00:31:07.319 --> 00:31:09.960
No, what else likes it?

687
00:31:09.960 --> 00:31:12.119
Or Oasis.

688
00:31:12.180 --> 00:31:13.140
What else does he do?

689
00:31:13.200 --> 00:31:13.500
anything else?

690
00:31:13.559 --> 00:31:15.119
I don't know. the full list.

691
00:31:15.180 --> 00:31:18.359
I only paid attention to the fact that it was a 19 Sick Bay

692
00:31:18.359 --> 00:31:19.019
because I think that's great.

693
00:31:19.140 --> 00:31:21.839
Well, David Straighten, try again, all right.

694
00:31:21.900 --> 00:31:24.960
Even like really bad episodes like Dark Page.

695
00:31:25.019 --> 00:31:26.519
Do you remember lights on Troy?

696
00:31:26.579 --> 00:31:30.119
And she's sort of wandering around the corridors going, get out of

697
00:31:30.119 --> 00:31:34.079
my head and it's, but it's shot in a really much more interesting

698
00:31:34.079 --> 00:31:34.859
way than this.

699
00:31:34.920 --> 00:31:35.460
Yeah.

700
00:31:35.460 --> 00:31:37.380
Yeah, it's a ceiling.

701
00:31:37.440 --> 00:31:38.160
Yeah, how exciting.

702
00:31:38.220 --> 00:31:40.019
Yeah, but I think they're trying to rein it in.

703
00:31:40.019 --> 00:31:42.779
Again, yeah, Tapoli's kind of horrible to her for no particular

704
00:31:42.779 --> 00:31:43.380
reason.

705
00:31:43.619 --> 00:31:45.420
So hang on.

706
00:31:45.480 --> 00:31:45.839
All right.

707
00:31:45.900 --> 00:31:46.140
Okay.

708
00:31:46.200 --> 00:31:49.920
So we've already decided Allison doesn't even pay any attention to

709
00:31:49.920 --> 00:31:50.160
her.

710
00:31:50.279 --> 00:31:51.420
Allison.

711
00:31:51.480 --> 00:31:52.980
Who's Alison?

712
00:31:53.039 --> 00:31:54.480
That was her.

713
00:31:54.539 --> 00:31:58.619
She gets a credit because she speaks. and she gets her own

714
00:31:58.619 --> 00:32:00.779
Wikipedia memory alpha.

715
00:32:00.839 --> 00:32:01.859
It's me.

716
00:32:01.859 --> 00:32:02.640
Yeah, it's me.

717
00:32:02.700 --> 00:32:04.019
Alison, you know me.

718
00:32:04.619 --> 00:32:07.980
Do we ever see Alison, where are you?

719
00:32:08.039 --> 00:32:09.000
Where'd you go after this?

720
00:32:09.359 --> 00:32:11.759
Your one scene wonder.

721
00:32:11.819 --> 00:32:14.039
Oh, who's this now in the sober lift?

722
00:32:14.099 --> 00:32:18.119
So we can hear someone is saying something, we're hearing voices

723
00:32:18.119 --> 00:32:21.599
from the people who are doing the technological thing to get her

724
00:32:21.599 --> 00:32:25.859
out of this, and that's, of course, what happens to Beverly.

725
00:32:25.920 --> 00:32:30.900
Remember when she sees that riff thing and hears the voices of

726
00:32:30.900 --> 00:32:33.660
Wesley and Geordie?

727
00:32:33.720 --> 00:32:35.700
It's exactly that same beat.

728
00:32:35.759 --> 00:32:38.819
And then, of course, remember me, the episode actually goes

729
00:32:38.819 --> 00:32:41.039
outside and tells us what's going on.

730
00:32:41.099 --> 00:32:43.019
Oh, it's wonderful.

731
00:32:43.079 --> 00:32:45.539
That that bit where you suddenly realise.

732
00:32:45.599 --> 00:32:49.019
And then you cut to the real enterprise and you realise she's in

733
00:32:49.019 --> 00:32:49.500
the bubble.

734
00:32:49.559 --> 00:32:52.799
Yeah, but there, you know, they've got a pregnant woman suspended

735
00:32:52.799 --> 00:32:55.319
in the air, blows of lightning and wind attacking her.

736
00:32:55.380 --> 00:32:56.460
Yeah, yeah, so exciting.

737
00:32:56.519 --> 00:32:57.059
Yeah.

738
00:32:57.059 --> 00:33:00.900
I just don't want to walk around these boring sets with ocean, you

739
00:33:00.900 --> 00:33:01.140
know?

740
00:33:01.980 --> 00:33:02.400
Come on.

741
00:33:03.599 --> 00:33:07.200
So this is the point now where she's like, do you see me, you know

742
00:33:07.200 --> 00:33:07.859
do I exist?

743
00:33:07.920 --> 00:33:10.319
nobody's really acknowledging me.

744
00:33:10.500 --> 00:33:12.720
Nobody wants to talk to me.

745
00:33:12.779 --> 00:33:14.579
Oh, get over yourself. all right?

746
00:33:14.640 --> 00:33:17.460
I wish nobody wanted to talk to me.

747
00:33:18.000 --> 00:33:22.980
But again, if this was about something, do you know what I mean?

748
00:33:23.039 --> 00:33:27.000
A character thing, it's the sort of thing that could be, but they

749
00:33:27.000 --> 00:33:30.119
seem to have ripped out any of the stuff that makes it work.

750
00:33:30.599 --> 00:33:32.940
But also as well, right?

751
00:33:33.000 --> 00:33:36.599
I refuse to believe that somebody that beautiful would be ignored

752
00:33:36.599 --> 00:33:36.839
right?

753
00:33:36.900 --> 00:33:39.059
If you talk about casting the wrong person.

754
00:33:39.119 --> 00:33:40.680
Like, she's so gorgeous.

755
00:33:40.740 --> 00:33:42.299
Nobody would ignore Linda Park.

756
00:33:42.359 --> 00:33:46.079
But, you know, she is a young woman and she's on a ship which is

757
00:33:46.079 --> 00:33:50.400
mostly male and, you know, the two, I don't know.

758
00:33:50.460 --> 00:33:51.180
I don't know.

759
00:33:51.180 --> 00:33:55.920
Like, it is, in fact, what happens to her as a character is she's

760
00:33:55.920 --> 00:33:59.279
ignored and overlooked and doesn't get to do anything because

761
00:33:59.279 --> 00:34:01.680
she's surrounded by mediocre white man.

762
00:34:01.740 --> 00:34:05.880
I think it's brutal. their only excuse is, Well, yeah, but you get

763
00:34:05.880 --> 00:34:07.980
more to do than the fellow's pilot in the ship.

764
00:34:08.039 --> 00:34:09.300
Yeah, that's right.

765
00:34:09.360 --> 00:34:09.900
That's right.

766
00:34:09.960 --> 00:34:11.219
Oh, yeah.

767
00:34:11.280 --> 00:34:15.840
The other person who isn't an American white man. white male

768
00:34:15.840 --> 00:34:16.260
yeah.

769
00:34:16.320 --> 00:34:18.539
Oh, Burman, what are you doing?

770
00:34:18.599 --> 00:34:23.039
I think it's actually genius that they give, like, it's, again, he

771
00:34:23.039 --> 00:34:29.519
has his own, um, he has his own memory alpha page. crewman bed, the

772
00:34:29.519 --> 00:34:34.019
nobody who doesn't know how the, how the thing works. who is able

773
00:34:34.019 --> 00:34:36.300
to do her job better than...

774
00:34:36.360 --> 00:34:38.760
Now, this bit here reminded me a little bit of that scene in

775
00:34:38.760 --> 00:34:40.679
Moonwalker.

776
00:34:40.739 --> 00:34:42.719
You know, where he's going round and round.

777
00:34:42.780 --> 00:34:44.159
Moon Raker, sorry, yeah.

778
00:34:44.579 --> 00:34:47.400
But obviously on a much smaller budget.

779
00:34:47.460 --> 00:34:49.079
This is a thing.

780
00:34:49.139 --> 00:34:53.940
So this prop gets taken apart and turned into the Zindi whirly

781
00:34:53.940 --> 00:34:54.659
boil thing.

782
00:34:54.719 --> 00:34:56.159
Ah.

783
00:34:56.159 --> 00:35:00.360
You know, the one, the physical prop in the... on the sands.

784
00:35:00.480 --> 00:35:02.699
I don't think that looks very fun.

785
00:35:02.760 --> 00:35:04.559
No, I don't think it looks fun. either.

786
00:35:04.619 --> 00:35:06.780
But and it's clearly...

787
00:35:06.780 --> 00:35:07.800
You're a roller coaster man.

788
00:35:07.860 --> 00:35:09.360
No, um, yeah, ish.

789
00:35:09.420 --> 00:35:10.260
Yeah, I don't mind it.

790
00:35:10.320 --> 00:35:12.840
I mean, look, he's having fun and he's adorable.

791
00:35:12.900 --> 00:35:13.320
Look at him.

792
00:35:13.380 --> 00:35:13.980
He's so cute.

793
00:35:15.119 --> 00:35:19.019
And she just looks like she's, like, she's, I don't know.

794
00:35:19.079 --> 00:35:20.099
Why is she working out?

795
00:35:20.159 --> 00:35:21.780
Yeah, why is he being so nice to her?

796
00:35:21.840 --> 00:35:26.159
And then in a minute to polls being, are we seeing them as she

797
00:35:26.159 --> 00:35:27.179
perceived?

798
00:35:27.239 --> 00:35:29.820
I don't think there's any sort of clear idea about that.

799
00:35:29.880 --> 00:35:32.280
And we wouldn't know that, would we?

800
00:35:32.340 --> 00:35:33.840
Because we, there's no relationship.

801
00:35:33.900 --> 00:35:37.139
I couldn't describe what Tapol and Hoshi's relationship was like.

802
00:35:37.199 --> 00:35:38.280
Could you?

803
00:35:38.340 --> 00:35:43.019
It means she perceives Archer as somebody who's extremely cold.

804
00:35:43.079 --> 00:35:44.219
Yeah.

805
00:35:44.280 --> 00:35:48.840
Obviously, everyone perceives Dr. Flock as being very amiable.

806
00:35:48.840 --> 00:35:52.559
Of course, and Tripp as being, you know, a charming southern boy

807
00:35:52.559 --> 00:35:53.639
but that's what he is.

808
00:35:53.699 --> 00:35:55.019
Is that a word for everybody else?

809
00:35:55.079 --> 00:35:57.179
She's doing those incline chess presses.

810
00:35:57.239 --> 00:36:00.179
She does one set of 4 of them and now she's done.

811
00:36:00.239 --> 00:36:02.099
I have exercise for the day.

812
00:36:02.159 --> 00:36:04.559
I do want to ask you this question.

813
00:36:04.619 --> 00:36:04.920
Oh, yeah.

814
00:36:04.980 --> 00:36:06.960
So you said we were sort of stripping back on the music.

815
00:36:07.019 --> 00:36:08.820
You can't have that too exciting anymore.

816
00:36:08.880 --> 00:36:11.460
We're stripping back on the sort of concepts of the week.

817
00:36:11.519 --> 00:36:14.400
We're not allowing them to be in any way interesting.

818
00:36:14.460 --> 00:36:16.739
We're stripping back on the character.

819
00:36:16.800 --> 00:36:17.880
I mean, why are we doing?

820
00:36:17.940 --> 00:36:19.019
Yeah, yeah.

821
00:36:19.079 --> 00:36:22.559
But I think it's a we aiming this 4 year olds.

822
00:36:22.619 --> 00:36:25.800
Well, it's an attempt to get away from the law and an attempt to

823
00:36:25.800 --> 00:36:27.599
ground it a little bit, to make it.

824
00:36:27.599 --> 00:36:30.480
It's the 22nd century, not the 24th century.

825
00:36:30.539 --> 00:36:31.679
It's less spacy.

826
00:36:31.739 --> 00:36:35.699
It's exactly what they did with Stargate Universe.

827
00:36:35.760 --> 00:36:37.380
I don't know if you remember that.

828
00:36:37.440 --> 00:36:42.059
So obviously that had got so mired in its own continuity come the

829
00:36:42.059 --> 00:36:44.039
end of Stargate SG1 10 seasons in.

830
00:36:44.219 --> 00:36:47.039
And they went, right, let's just strip this back to people

831
00:36:47.039 --> 00:36:50.400
exploring the universe, we'll send them away a bit like Voyager to

832
00:36:50.400 --> 00:36:54.719
a distant part of the universe, trap them there and just tell

833
00:36:54.719 --> 00:36:59.639
really simple focussed character stories rather than high concept

834
00:36:59.639 --> 00:37:00.420
science fiction.

835
00:37:00.480 --> 00:37:03.599
Turns out that's really, really boring.

836
00:37:03.659 --> 00:37:04.500
All right.

837
00:37:04.559 --> 00:37:06.599
High context, science fiction is interesting.

838
00:37:06.659 --> 00:37:09.599
Simple character tales are very dull.

839
00:37:09.659 --> 00:37:13.320
Well, I mean, I think that, you know, even deep space 9 is trying

840
00:37:13.320 --> 00:37:18.059
to get them out of the way of anything large and geopolitical by

841
00:37:18.059 --> 00:37:21.719
putting them on the outskirts, you know, somewhere the frontiers

842
00:37:21.719 --> 00:37:24.000
you know, somewhere that's not hugely important.

843
00:37:24.059 --> 00:37:25.619
But it used...

844
00:37:25.619 --> 00:37:26.820
You couldn't resist it in the end.

845
00:37:26.880 --> 00:37:28.920
They couldn't resist it in the end, and obviously it worked really

846
00:37:28.920 --> 00:37:31.739
well, and they gave them a more interesting sort of place to be.

847
00:37:31.800 --> 00:37:34.920
I mean, there's an attempt to make this be in a sort of

848
00:37:34.920 --> 00:37:39.900
interesting 22nd century world, but they, you know, are so quick

849
00:37:39.900 --> 00:37:41.099
to get on board the ship.

850
00:37:41.159 --> 00:37:45.179
Yeah, see, this has also happened. hand has just gone through a

851
00:37:45.179 --> 00:37:46.199
bit of technology.

852
00:37:46.260 --> 00:37:49.980
She's looking in the mirror and she's vanishing substantial in the

853
00:37:49.980 --> 00:37:50.340
mirror.

854
00:37:50.400 --> 00:37:53.940
Like, even the special effects here, I thought, were just really

855
00:37:53.940 --> 00:37:55.260
not very good, is it?

856
00:37:55.320 --> 00:37:55.800
It's not?

857
00:37:56.460 --> 00:37:57.300
Yeah.

858
00:37:57.360 --> 00:38:01.860
I mean, it sort of gets the idea across, but it's not visually

859
00:38:01.860 --> 00:38:02.280
interesting.

860
00:38:02.340 --> 00:38:03.300
No.

861
00:38:03.719 --> 00:38:08.219
You know, this is the same people that gave us the smiley face in

862
00:38:08.219 --> 00:38:09.539
the walk war breach, you know?

863
00:38:09.599 --> 00:38:10.440
Do something interesting.

864
00:38:10.500 --> 00:38:12.900
So from now on, she can't be seen.

865
00:38:12.960 --> 00:38:15.000
Oh, this bit now.

866
00:38:15.059 --> 00:38:16.559
I'm here, everybody.

867
00:38:16.619 --> 00:38:17.820
Oh God, you see me.

868
00:38:17.880 --> 00:38:19.800
Do you know what I would do?

869
00:38:19.860 --> 00:38:20.400
I was her.

870
00:38:20.519 --> 00:38:21.659
She's just standing there.

871
00:38:21.780 --> 00:38:25.800
I'll be punching them, touching their noses, yeah, grabbing his

872
00:38:25.800 --> 00:38:26.159
cock.

873
00:38:26.219 --> 00:38:27.900
He's after it.

874
00:38:29.340 --> 00:38:31.079
Oh boy.

875
00:38:31.139 --> 00:38:33.119
Okay, maybe not the last one.

876
00:38:33.119 --> 00:38:34.860
That could be harassment.

877
00:38:34.920 --> 00:38:38.579
Yeah, you'd have to have a conversation with Nathan, you'd want

878
00:38:38.579 --> 00:38:38.820
to.

879
00:38:38.880 --> 00:38:39.719
He is pretty.

880
00:38:39.780 --> 00:38:40.860
He is really pretty.

881
00:38:40.920 --> 00:38:42.719
Well, so's Jolene.

882
00:38:42.780 --> 00:38:44.159
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

883
00:38:44.219 --> 00:38:45.840
Yeah, well, all of them.

884
00:38:45.900 --> 00:38:48.300
Very attractive. everyone's very attractive.

885
00:38:51.480 --> 00:38:55.199
This is what I feared about all the cool kids of school that were

886
00:38:55.199 --> 00:38:57.960
very pretty, that they were all very pretty and boring.

887
00:38:58.019 --> 00:38:59.579
We had to tell ourselves that.

888
00:38:59.579 --> 00:39:02.699
And this is why, look, Dr. Flocks, he's not pretty, but he's

889
00:39:02.699 --> 00:39:03.179
really nice.

890
00:39:03.599 --> 00:39:05.579
So charming and it's his 3rd outfit.

891
00:39:05.639 --> 00:39:08.940
He's the distinct outfit of the episode, bless him.

892
00:39:09.000 --> 00:39:09.480
That's right.

893
00:39:11.039 --> 00:39:14.099
This is for the more sophisticated swingers party, this outfit.

894
00:39:14.159 --> 00:39:15.659
It's got a nice collar.

895
00:39:15.719 --> 00:39:18.000
High class.

896
00:39:18.000 --> 00:39:19.559
Yeah, boys and girls coming along.

897
00:39:19.920 --> 00:39:21.840
Oh, boy.

898
00:39:21.900 --> 00:39:24.599
Look, look how bored Scott Pacula looks.

899
00:39:24.659 --> 00:39:28.800
Well, again, this is again a narration of something that we saw

900
00:39:28.800 --> 00:39:30.239
earlier in the episode.

901
00:39:30.300 --> 00:39:34.260
You know, like he's now telling them about the scenes that we

902
00:39:34.260 --> 00:39:34.980
already watch.

903
00:39:35.039 --> 00:39:37.380
One thing that I did think was very good, right?

904
00:39:37.440 --> 00:39:42.119
is that in this scene, Initially, we think this is a conversation

905
00:39:42.119 --> 00:39:46.500
between Bacula, you know, like Blaylock and Billingsley, or the 3

906
00:39:46.500 --> 00:39:49.860
Bs, and they're all there in the room, just sort of chatting to

907
00:39:49.860 --> 00:39:52.920
one another, and then the camera pans across slowly, and there is

908
00:39:52.920 --> 00:39:56.940
Hoshi in the background out of focus. think they think that's

909
00:39:56.940 --> 00:39:59.340
interesting enough for this scene, right?

910
00:39:59.400 --> 00:40:01.260
And then they do it again and again and again.

911
00:40:01.320 --> 00:40:04.800
We have one dialogue scene after another where the camera swings

912
00:40:04.800 --> 00:40:08.219
around and eventually she's somewhere unusual in the set, sitting

913
00:40:08.219 --> 00:40:10.199
on the console.

914
00:40:10.260 --> 00:40:15.179
But, but I think for a second, if you were, if you were thinking

915
00:40:15.179 --> 00:40:18.119
oh, this is by Brandon Braga, she's in a sort of fantasy world or

916
00:40:18.119 --> 00:40:21.420
something like that, and then she disappears and suddenly we're

917
00:40:21.420 --> 00:40:24.000
having scenes without her in it, we'd be kind of going, well, how

918
00:40:24.000 --> 00:40:24.840
is that even happening?

919
00:40:24.900 --> 00:40:27.780
And that I thought was clever.

920
00:40:27.840 --> 00:40:31.139
We are going to do it again, like, right, this 2nd, aren't we?

921
00:40:31.199 --> 00:40:33.300
Is she in this corridor somewhere?

922
00:40:33.360 --> 00:40:34.860
Yeah, there we go on the floor.

923
00:40:34.920 --> 00:40:35.880
Yeah.

924
00:40:37.260 --> 00:40:40.380
Linda, you're in every scene, but you're just going to be sitting

925
00:40:40.380 --> 00:40:42.840
around whilst everyone else is doing all the dialogue.

926
00:40:43.380 --> 00:40:45.119
All the men.

927
00:40:45.239 --> 00:40:48.059
Oh, no, Jolene's getting some things.

928
00:40:48.119 --> 00:40:49.380
She gets to do some stuff.

929
00:40:49.440 --> 00:40:51.360
Oh, boy.

930
00:40:51.420 --> 00:40:55.199
I just don't get the sense that there's any energy in the cast at

931
00:40:55.199 --> 00:40:55.500
this point.

932
00:40:55.559 --> 00:40:56.039
No.

933
00:40:56.039 --> 00:40:59.219
I mean, I don't often get much sense that there's any energy in

934
00:40:59.219 --> 00:41:03.599
the cast at all throughout enterprises run even in 3 and 4, I'm

935
00:41:03.599 --> 00:41:03.780
honest.

936
00:41:03.840 --> 00:41:04.079
Yeah.

937
00:41:04.079 --> 00:41:04.739
Yeah.

938
00:41:04.800 --> 00:41:08.340
But there is more later than this.

939
00:41:08.400 --> 00:41:11.039
Well, it's just so plodding.

940
00:41:11.099 --> 00:41:15.300
And this too, now is a series of scenes that we definitely know

941
00:41:15.300 --> 00:41:16.860
aren't real.

942
00:41:17.519 --> 00:41:22.920
Like having to watch Scott Bakula try and do devastated acting

943
00:41:22.920 --> 00:41:29.039
when Hoshi's actually there, you know, or the, like, why did we

944
00:41:29.039 --> 00:41:29.820
have to have the scene?

945
00:41:29.880 --> 00:41:31.980
Like, what enjoyment was there to be had?

946
00:41:32.039 --> 00:41:35.400
from having the scene where he FaceTimes her father?

947
00:41:36.119 --> 00:41:39.599
Yeah, because we, obviously, we know it's not real.

948
00:41:39.599 --> 00:41:42.059
We've seen this from her point of view.

949
00:41:42.119 --> 00:41:43.860
So what's that scene for?

950
00:41:43.920 --> 00:41:44.760
Is that enjoyable?

951
00:41:45.420 --> 00:41:50.639
Unless you're going to really sort of get our heartstrings, you

952
00:41:50.639 --> 00:41:50.820
know?

953
00:41:50.880 --> 00:41:52.800
And you just don't because it's so flat.

954
00:41:52.920 --> 00:41:54.000
That just seems horrible.

955
00:41:54.059 --> 00:41:54.719
Do you know what I mean?

956
00:41:54.780 --> 00:41:57.179
ringing a random guy and telling him his daughter's dead, but

957
00:41:57.179 --> 00:41:58.019
she's not really dead.

958
00:41:58.079 --> 00:41:59.219
Like, why is that fun?

959
00:41:59.280 --> 00:42:00.420
Like, where's the fun in that?

960
00:42:00.480 --> 00:42:02.280
I just think, that's really horrible.

961
00:42:02.340 --> 00:42:04.320
Do you do you recognise him?

962
00:42:05.159 --> 00:42:09.059
He's not here yet, obviously, but he will be here.

963
00:42:09.119 --> 00:42:11.639
He is in a deep space 9 episode.

964
00:42:11.699 --> 00:42:13.380
Oh, she's fine.

965
00:42:13.440 --> 00:42:14.039
Oh, tell me.

966
00:42:14.099 --> 00:42:19.500
He's the baseball player, the imaginary baseball player in...

967
00:42:19.500 --> 00:42:20.340
He's fucked the Kai.

968
00:42:20.400 --> 00:42:20.579
Yeah.

969
00:42:23.639 --> 00:42:25.500
Oh, that was a much more fun.

970
00:42:25.559 --> 00:42:29.340
You remember, I was chasing emus around the promenade.

971
00:42:31.920 --> 00:42:35.639
And Quark imagines 2 beautiful ladies on his arms.

972
00:42:35.699 --> 00:42:36.719
Oh my god.

973
00:42:36.780 --> 00:42:41.340
This has one of the stupidest lines of dialogue I've ever seen in

974
00:42:41.340 --> 00:42:43.800
Star Trek, which absolutely is.

975
00:42:43.800 --> 00:42:46.139
That is against some stiff competition now.

976
00:42:47.340 --> 00:42:52.199
So we're in the Jeffreys tube and they have nice big tall Jeffreys

977
00:42:52.199 --> 00:42:55.199
tube, so obviously, oh, we're getting...

978
00:42:55.199 --> 00:42:55.679
All ceilings?

979
00:42:55.739 --> 00:42:56.820
Look, we're shooting up again.

980
00:42:56.940 --> 00:42:57.719
Are we getting more?

981
00:42:57.780 --> 00:43:00.300
we getting more of the external dialogue?

982
00:43:00.360 --> 00:43:03.300
Like we hearing, aren't we hearing what's going on outside for a

983
00:43:03.300 --> 00:43:03.539
second?

984
00:43:03.599 --> 00:43:04.559
Oh, yeah.

985
00:43:04.619 --> 00:43:05.579
Okay, so what do you think?

986
00:43:05.639 --> 00:43:08.820
We're looking for her decomposed molecules or something like

987
00:43:08.820 --> 00:43:09.000
that.

988
00:43:09.059 --> 00:43:10.800
Dilapidates or something?

989
00:43:10.860 --> 00:43:13.139
something peptides or something.

990
00:43:13.199 --> 00:43:15.119
So like a DNA.

991
00:43:15.179 --> 00:43:16.920
We're looking for bits of her.

992
00:43:16.980 --> 00:43:19.139
God, I can't wait to find out what this line is.

993
00:43:19.199 --> 00:43:20.519
It's really great.

994
00:43:20.639 --> 00:43:22.380
And it's like, why would you have come down here?

995
00:43:22.440 --> 00:43:23.159
blah, blah, blah.

996
00:43:23.219 --> 00:43:23.760
We'll never know.

997
00:43:23.820 --> 00:43:26.400
And there she is in the background, out of focus again, which I

998
00:43:26.400 --> 00:43:26.880
think is good.

999
00:43:27.000 --> 00:43:31.679
Well, Captain Archer will want Hoshi's parents to have this and

1000
00:43:31.679 --> 00:43:32.519
it's...

1001
00:43:32.519 --> 00:43:35.219
Willie?

1002
00:43:35.280 --> 00:43:36.420
Do you think she will?

1003
00:43:36.480 --> 00:43:37.860
Do you think they will want that?

1004
00:43:38.880 --> 00:43:40.440
We've got this little part of her left.

1005
00:43:41.039 --> 00:43:42.960
Very bad.

1006
00:43:43.019 --> 00:43:44.880
Mr Mrs. Sarto?

1007
00:43:46.920 --> 00:43:49.079
What are they gonna do?

1008
00:43:49.079 --> 00:43:49.920
Like goon.

1009
00:43:50.039 --> 00:43:51.719
It's green.

1010
00:43:51.780 --> 00:43:53.579
Of course, it's green.

1011
00:43:53.639 --> 00:43:58.440
Why would you put it between 2 slides and framed it for you?

1012
00:43:58.500 --> 00:44:01.739
So you might want it on the wall, but that's basically all that's

1013
00:44:01.739 --> 00:44:02.280
left of her.

1014
00:44:02.340 --> 00:44:04.320
Oh, bless.

1015
00:44:04.559 --> 00:44:06.179
My God.

1016
00:44:06.239 --> 00:44:07.619
But do you know what, right?

1017
00:44:07.679 --> 00:44:12.000
If I was FaceTiming somebody's parent to tell them that their

1018
00:44:12.000 --> 00:44:13.139
childhood died, yeah.

1019
00:44:13.260 --> 00:44:14.039
Would you lead with that?

1020
00:44:14.099 --> 00:44:16.619
Wouldn't you just I would get to the fucking point.

1021
00:44:16.679 --> 00:44:20.820
He starts off by going, well, you know, it's very dangerous out

1022
00:44:20.820 --> 00:44:24.539
here in space and, you know, are you trying to tell me something?

1023
00:44:24.659 --> 00:44:26.519
So you're telling me that she's all right?

1024
00:44:26.579 --> 00:44:29.699
Yes, I phoned you to tell you that your daughter's all right.

1025
00:44:29.820 --> 00:44:33.840
Yes, I'm very sorry, but...

1026
00:44:34.619 --> 00:44:39.059
And then he goes, he literally has to say, are you telling me how

1027
00:44:39.059 --> 00:44:39.719
she's dead?

1028
00:44:40.320 --> 00:44:42.599
It's so bad.

1029
00:44:44.099 --> 00:44:48.539
I cannot believe Bragger has been writing Star Trek dialogue for

1030
00:44:48.539 --> 00:44:51.900
this long and that allowed that scene to be written.

1031
00:44:51.960 --> 00:44:54.239
Yeah, yeah, fucking hell. so bad.

1032
00:44:54.659 --> 00:44:56.880
And that hasn't even happened yet.

1033
00:44:56.940 --> 00:44:57.719
You know what, Nathan?

1034
00:44:57.780 --> 00:44:58.679
do like all these pipes.

1035
00:44:58.739 --> 00:44:59.639
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1036
00:44:59.699 --> 00:45:02.039
Well, the Jeffrey tube has pipes as well.

1037
00:45:02.099 --> 00:45:04.980
Remember the vertical ones in Stranger World?

1038
00:45:05.159 --> 00:45:08.039
The people now with the bombs.

1039
00:45:08.039 --> 00:45:09.599
How would you describe these aliens?

1040
00:45:09.719 --> 00:45:15.239
So there are another alien that you've seen and they're a, um...

1041
00:45:15.239 --> 00:45:20.400
It's tossed, painted lavender. isn't it?

1042
00:45:20.460 --> 00:45:21.780
Yeah, but there was only...

1043
00:45:21.840 --> 00:45:23.880
Oh, no, there was more than one time, wasn't it?

1044
00:45:23.940 --> 00:45:24.719
They wanted him.

1045
00:45:24.719 --> 00:45:25.619
Yeah.

1046
00:45:25.679 --> 00:45:26.159
Okay.

1047
00:45:26.219 --> 00:45:27.420
So what, they kept them off?

1048
00:45:27.480 --> 00:45:28.619
This is reused masks.

1049
00:45:28.739 --> 00:45:29.460
Yeah, yeah.

1050
00:45:29.519 --> 00:45:31.739
Oh, they must absolutely have.

1051
00:45:31.800 --> 00:45:32.820
Is it toss someone that we know?

1052
00:45:32.940 --> 00:45:34.739
Tosk was someone that we've seen.

1053
00:45:34.800 --> 00:45:36.059
Yeah, Scott McDonald.

1054
00:45:36.119 --> 00:45:36.480
Do you remember?

1055
00:45:36.480 --> 00:45:38.639
He played the fabulous Gemadar in rocks and showers.

1056
00:45:38.699 --> 00:45:39.239
There you go.

1057
00:45:39.300 --> 00:45:41.579
Yeah. smells like Scott McDonald.

1058
00:45:41.940 --> 00:45:46.440
I think it's highly appropriate that somebody is great as Scott

1059
00:45:46.440 --> 00:45:51.119
McDonald's old castle. playing a role in the mosque ends up in

1060
00:45:51.119 --> 00:45:52.320
vanishing point, yeah.

1061
00:45:52.380 --> 00:45:58.679
And again, like, compare this to the next phase where you have the

1062
00:45:58.679 --> 00:46:01.019
Romulan who has been...

1063
00:46:01.019 --> 00:46:02.280
It's so great.

1064
00:46:02.340 --> 00:46:05.039
Do you remember the moment where he's just sitting there listening

1065
00:46:05.039 --> 00:46:09.960
to Roe and Geordie speak and then he gets up and he walks off

1066
00:46:09.960 --> 00:46:14.519
through a console and he kind of go, oh my god, he's phased as

1067
00:46:14.519 --> 00:46:14.699
well.

1068
00:46:14.760 --> 00:46:17.159
I think Braga wrote that one.

1069
00:46:17.219 --> 00:46:18.000
Yeah, yeah.

1070
00:46:18.059 --> 00:46:20.880
I think he probably did because he's just reusing his own shit.

1071
00:46:20.940 --> 00:46:21.719
What happened?

1072
00:46:21.780 --> 00:46:22.739
Yeah.

1073
00:46:22.739 --> 00:46:24.420
You used to be so fun.

1074
00:46:24.480 --> 00:46:28.619
I absolutely remember thinking these episodes, yeah, this awful

1075
00:46:28.619 --> 00:46:28.920
scene.

1076
00:46:28.980 --> 00:46:32.820
Oh, it's not a great performance from the dad either, is he?

1077
00:46:32.880 --> 00:46:34.320
No, but how do you say?

1078
00:46:34.380 --> 00:46:35.340
He doesn't even know how to play.

1079
00:46:35.400 --> 00:46:36.420
Is he crossed?

1080
00:46:36.659 --> 00:46:38.159
Particularly am I, does he?

1081
00:46:38.219 --> 00:46:41.880
Like, I'm supposed to somehow not already realise that she's

1082
00:46:41.880 --> 00:46:42.300
dead.

1083
00:46:42.300 --> 00:46:46.440
Like, why are you burbling on about a transporting device, you

1084
00:46:46.440 --> 00:46:47.280
stupid man?

1085
00:46:47.519 --> 00:46:50.639
I mean, I think as well if I was delivering this.

1086
00:46:50.699 --> 00:46:51.960
I might have tears in my eyes.

1087
00:46:52.019 --> 00:46:54.960
I might actually express the grief that I'm feeling.

1088
00:46:55.019 --> 00:46:58.019
But that would spoil it because then why doesn't he pick up on

1089
00:46:58.019 --> 00:46:59.639
that on the other end of the call?

1090
00:46:59.699 --> 00:47:02.880
He does have a moment where he does tear up a little bit.

1091
00:47:02.940 --> 00:47:04.739
You know, like that does happen.

1092
00:47:04.800 --> 00:47:06.480
He said, can you believe it?

1093
00:47:06.539 --> 00:47:09.179
He just went, yes, they told us that the transporter beam was

1094
00:47:09.179 --> 00:47:09.480
safe.

1095
00:47:09.599 --> 00:47:13.139
So the fellow goes, you're telling me that so she's safe then?

1096
00:47:13.199 --> 00:47:14.760
You're really, no.

1097
00:47:14.820 --> 00:47:15.360
No.

1098
00:47:16.019 --> 00:47:17.820
I'm not.

1099
00:47:17.880 --> 00:47:18.539
She's dead.

1100
00:47:19.500 --> 00:47:22.079
Such a terrible conversation.

1101
00:47:22.139 --> 00:47:23.460
So bad, isn't it?

1102
00:47:23.519 --> 00:47:24.960
It's a bad scene.

1103
00:47:25.019 --> 00:47:26.400
It's a really bad scene.

1104
00:47:26.460 --> 00:47:31.380
And again, remember what ends up happening is that when they, you

1105
00:47:31.380 --> 00:47:34.920
know, when Roe and Geordie put their hands in the consoles and

1106
00:47:34.920 --> 00:47:37.260
stuff like that, that's how they get detected.

1107
00:47:37.320 --> 00:47:39.599
Like people pick up the particles or whatever.

1108
00:47:39.780 --> 00:47:41.699
Unbelievable.

1109
00:47:41.760 --> 00:47:44.219
This scene has still got, he's gone, no, no, no, she's part of our

1110
00:47:44.219 --> 00:47:44.760
family.

1111
00:47:44.820 --> 00:47:46.019
Why are you phoning me off?

1112
00:47:46.079 --> 00:47:46.500
Tell me.

1113
00:47:46.559 --> 00:47:47.699
She's part of your family.

1114
00:47:47.820 --> 00:47:49.019
How long have we been talking for?

1115
00:47:49.079 --> 00:47:52.019
Hi, just tell him she's dead.

1116
00:47:52.079 --> 00:47:52.800
That's right.

1117
00:47:52.800 --> 00:47:55.500
Oh, you do.

1118
00:47:55.559 --> 00:47:57.420
Oh, she is dead.

1119
00:47:57.719 --> 00:48:01.260
Well, in a very long-winded sort of way, yes.

1120
00:48:03.659 --> 00:48:05.760
Call us back later.

1121
00:48:05.820 --> 00:48:08.340
Like, is this out this conversation?

1122
00:48:08.820 --> 00:48:12.719
Listen, I must go and speak to Hoshi's mother.

1123
00:48:12.780 --> 00:48:14.219
I'll give you a ring back, all right?

1124
00:48:14.280 --> 00:48:15.780
No you, Tommy. me back.

1125
00:48:15.840 --> 00:48:17.400
She's down the shops.

1126
00:48:18.119 --> 00:48:20.340
She deals with this whole thing.

1127
00:48:20.460 --> 00:48:24.119
And then he literally just, at the end, looked a little bit sort

1128
00:48:24.119 --> 00:48:26.940
of looked downwards, like, oh, I think I might be feeling an

1129
00:48:26.940 --> 00:48:27.239
emotion.

1130
00:48:27.300 --> 00:48:28.320
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1131
00:48:28.380 --> 00:48:30.960
No, it's tremendous. terrible.

1132
00:48:31.019 --> 00:48:33.780
You know, I just got a stack of CDs there.

1133
00:48:33.840 --> 00:48:34.320
Did you notice?

1134
00:48:34.380 --> 00:48:35.039
Oh, does he?

1135
00:48:35.039 --> 00:48:35.639
That's not...

1136
00:48:35.639 --> 00:48:36.780
Literal compact disc.

1137
00:48:37.619 --> 00:48:41.460
Yeah, well, you know, he's got his Shakespeare's over there, but

1138
00:48:41.460 --> 00:48:42.780
he couldn't tell you anything about it.

1139
00:48:42.780 --> 00:48:43.500
No, that's right.

1140
00:48:43.500 --> 00:48:44.280
They're just on display.

1141
00:48:44.340 --> 00:48:49.260
The iPod doesn't come out until September 20, 2001, which is when

1142
00:48:49.260 --> 00:48:52.800
this show starts.

1143
00:48:52.860 --> 00:48:56.099
So, he didn't have an iPod.

1144
00:48:56.159 --> 00:48:57.480
More ceilings.

1145
00:48:57.659 --> 00:48:59.219
That a lot of ceiling polling, yeah.

1146
00:48:59.280 --> 00:48:59.579
Yeah.

1147
00:48:59.639 --> 00:49:02.940
So, so we're coming in to notice...

1148
00:49:02.940 --> 00:49:03.420
Oh, boy.

1149
00:49:03.420 --> 00:49:04.920
Morse code.

1150
00:49:06.300 --> 00:49:10.559
And Tapal goes, but that circuit is isolated.

1151
00:49:10.619 --> 00:49:14.519
So it could only be somebody within this room because she would

1152
00:49:14.519 --> 00:49:14.880
know that.

1153
00:49:14.940 --> 00:49:16.079
She would know that.

1154
00:49:16.139 --> 00:49:17.760
And that would be normal.

1155
00:49:17.820 --> 00:49:18.539
Yeah.

1156
00:49:18.599 --> 00:49:19.079
Yeah.

1157
00:49:19.619 --> 00:49:21.360
It's...

1158
00:49:21.360 --> 00:49:25.260
You don't need any sort of a brain cell to watch this.

1159
00:49:25.320 --> 00:49:27.659
So we're doing SOS?

1160
00:49:27.719 --> 00:49:30.059
Look at it's happening. da da, da, da.

1161
00:49:30.119 --> 00:49:31.860
It's been used on Earth for centuries.

1162
00:49:31.980 --> 00:49:32.760
Okay.

1163
00:49:32.820 --> 00:49:38.760
And even funnier, she goes, HOS, come on, figure it out.

1164
00:49:38.820 --> 00:49:40.079
Oh, shit.

1165
00:49:42.780 --> 00:49:44.820
S-H.

1166
00:49:46.079 --> 00:49:49.380
Oh, my God, it sounds like Morse code.

1167
00:49:51.000 --> 00:49:54.000
Did she just say the whole words, no?

1168
00:49:54.059 --> 00:49:57.239
She like the whole hurt and no one picked it up.

1169
00:49:57.300 --> 00:49:58.980
Oh, because it's not real, right?

1170
00:49:59.039 --> 00:50:00.599
That no one can hear her.

1171
00:50:00.659 --> 00:50:02.159
And so that's the thing.

1172
00:50:02.820 --> 00:50:05.039
No shit, Sherlock.

1173
00:50:05.099 --> 00:50:05.699
It's not real.

1174
00:50:05.760 --> 00:50:06.960
Bloody hell.

1175
00:50:07.019 --> 00:50:07.739
We better hope not.

1176
00:50:07.800 --> 00:50:10.019
Otherwise, these characters are very stupid indeed.

1177
00:50:11.880 --> 00:50:15.300
Oh, he goes, I'll have Trip look at it tomorrow.

1178
00:50:15.360 --> 00:50:15.840
Don't worry.

1179
00:50:15.900 --> 00:50:16.679
There's no hurry.

1180
00:50:16.739 --> 00:50:19.320
I'm sure there's nobody trying to communicate with us.

1181
00:50:19.320 --> 00:50:20.820
Or to blow up the ship.

1182
00:50:20.880 --> 00:50:23.159
There's no unimaginary trying to blow up the ship.

1183
00:50:23.219 --> 00:50:25.199
Why are these people trying to blow up the ship?

1184
00:50:25.320 --> 00:50:28.139
So why within her imaginary thing?

1185
00:50:28.199 --> 00:50:29.880
Oh, yeah, sorry, you asked me the same question.

1186
00:50:29.940 --> 00:50:31.079
We're asking each other.

1187
00:50:31.139 --> 00:50:32.099
That means it's not very clear.

1188
00:50:32.159 --> 00:50:36.300
No, there's no reason except to have some jeopardy happening and

1189
00:50:36.300 --> 00:50:40.260
to make it look like this is as good as the next phase, which it

1190
00:50:40.260 --> 00:50:40.739
isn't.

1191
00:50:40.800 --> 00:50:45.000
Oh, there's midriff on that alien, I have to say, that's not quite

1192
00:50:45.000 --> 00:50:47.460
reaction there to what the fellow said.

1193
00:50:47.519 --> 00:50:49.380
He sort of went, oh, for God's sakes.

1194
00:50:49.559 --> 00:50:51.179
Let's go.

1195
00:50:51.840 --> 00:50:54.119
The bombs are planted.

1196
00:50:54.179 --> 00:50:55.079
The Jeopardy is there.

1197
00:50:55.139 --> 00:50:58.619
Yeah, but I mean, it is just, like, there's no reason for it to

1198
00:50:58.619 --> 00:51:00.659
happen from her point of view or anything.

1199
00:51:00.719 --> 00:51:01.800
Like, it's just ridiculous.

1200
00:51:02.460 --> 00:51:05.760
Yeah, and like, well, yeah, I mean, is...

1201
00:51:05.760 --> 00:51:09.960
Are we making a comment on how vacuous these Jeopardy plots

1202
00:51:09.960 --> 00:51:10.559
normally are?

1203
00:51:10.679 --> 00:51:13.019
Well, no, but remembering the next phase.

1204
00:51:13.079 --> 00:51:14.820
There was proper jeopardy.

1205
00:51:14.880 --> 00:51:17.219
They had to remember they had to push the guy out through the

1206
00:51:17.219 --> 00:51:17.880
bulkhead.

1207
00:51:18.719 --> 00:51:22.320
Somehow no one fell through the floor, but you could fall through

1208
00:51:22.320 --> 00:51:23.099
the bulkhead.

1209
00:51:23.159 --> 00:51:23.820
It was so great.

1210
00:51:23.880 --> 00:51:25.079
It was really fun.

1211
00:51:25.139 --> 00:51:26.219
That's a great episode.

1212
00:51:26.400 --> 00:51:30.659
You know as well, you remember we said last week when we did Away

1213
00:51:30.659 --> 00:51:34.139
of the War, just how many interesting sets we got to go around in

1214
00:51:34.139 --> 00:51:36.960
that. just how many interesting spaces that they had.

1215
00:51:37.019 --> 00:51:41.760
Now, I do like some of the sets in this, but it's, it's got far

1216
00:51:41.760 --> 00:51:42.900
less personality to it.

1217
00:51:42.960 --> 00:51:43.440
Yeah.

1218
00:51:43.440 --> 00:51:44.280
Yeah.

1219
00:51:44.340 --> 00:51:49.619
Yeah, even with Deep Space 9 being that muted brown and you know

1220
00:51:49.619 --> 00:51:53.099
we're seeing the floor here and those sort of textured panels and

1221
00:51:53.099 --> 00:51:56.099
stuff are all part of the sets on Deep Space 9 as well.

1222
00:51:56.159 --> 00:51:58.800
But they're just more boring.

1223
00:51:58.860 --> 00:52:02.039
I just think the sets are much more boring. and deep safe snow had

1224
00:52:02.039 --> 00:52:03.599
a variety of places, you know.

1225
00:52:03.659 --> 00:52:06.900
Like, the only place you can hang out here is the mess hole, which

1226
00:52:06.900 --> 00:52:09.840
is very boring, whereas we can hang out with the promenade and

1227
00:52:09.840 --> 00:52:10.920
quarks in DS9.

1228
00:52:11.159 --> 00:52:11.460
Yeah.

1229
00:52:12.420 --> 00:52:15.360
So they're speaking in their native language as well.

1230
00:52:15.420 --> 00:52:16.920
So we don't even know what they're talking about.

1231
00:52:16.980 --> 00:52:20.639
But because they don't matter, they're not real, and this isn't an

1232
00:52:20.639 --> 00:52:22.199
actual thing that's happening at all.

1233
00:52:22.260 --> 00:52:24.599
Like, it's just incredibly boring.

1234
00:52:24.659 --> 00:52:25.739
I just don't know what's happening.

1235
00:52:25.800 --> 00:52:29.340
But at this point, do we know, we don't know this isn't happening

1236
00:52:29.340 --> 00:52:30.239
at this point, do we?

1237
00:52:30.300 --> 00:52:31.260
Not until the end of the episode.

1238
00:52:31.320 --> 00:52:34.860
Yeah, yeah, maybe this is real, but it's so perfunctory though.

1239
00:52:34.920 --> 00:52:37.019
It's oh, yeah.

1240
00:52:37.079 --> 00:52:40.619
Wow, that just reminds me of your standard season two. enterprise

1241
00:52:40.619 --> 00:52:40.860
episode.

1242
00:52:40.920 --> 00:52:43.019
I nearly said Voyager.

1243
00:52:43.079 --> 00:52:45.659
Voyage is never quite as dull as this, I think.

1244
00:52:45.719 --> 00:52:47.099
Maybe it is.

1245
00:52:47.159 --> 00:52:48.840
It's moments.

1246
00:52:50.159 --> 00:52:53.579
Even the bombs look really boring.

1247
00:52:53.639 --> 00:52:57.239
I think this is really extraordinary bad, extraordinarily bad.

1248
00:52:57.300 --> 00:52:59.280
I think this is the one scene that Star Trek.

1249
00:52:59.340 --> 00:53:01.920
Like, I don't think Star Trek fails when it's silly.

1250
00:53:02.039 --> 00:53:05.519
I think Star Trek fails when it's boring and this is really

1251
00:53:05.519 --> 00:53:06.480
boring.

1252
00:53:06.539 --> 00:53:09.780
It's rarely boring.

1253
00:53:09.840 --> 00:53:10.500
Yeah, yeah.

1254
00:53:10.500 --> 00:53:14.280
Like, there's usually something in an episode that you, like, what

1255
00:53:14.280 --> 00:53:15.179
was the last one we did?

1256
00:53:15.239 --> 00:53:17.280
Oh, God, no, that was really boring as well.

1257
00:53:17.340 --> 00:53:18.599
Do you remember with Renee?

1258
00:53:18.659 --> 00:53:21.539
Yeah, shockingly bad. boring too.

1259
00:53:21.599 --> 00:53:24.239
And the one we did before that was where they were strapped on the

1260
00:53:24.239 --> 00:53:24.539
bomb.

1261
00:53:24.599 --> 00:53:26.039
Do you remember Raved an Archer?

1262
00:53:26.099 --> 00:53:28.679
That was really boring.

1263
00:53:28.739 --> 00:53:31.500
But I mean, think about something like cogenitor, which got me

1264
00:53:31.500 --> 00:53:32.340
really cross.

1265
00:53:32.400 --> 00:53:34.559
That wasn't boring. was interesting.

1266
00:53:34.679 --> 00:53:35.940
It felt an emotion.

1267
00:53:36.000 --> 00:53:37.079
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1268
00:53:37.139 --> 00:53:38.099
I thought it was bad.

1269
00:53:38.159 --> 00:53:39.119
Yeah, angry.

1270
00:53:39.179 --> 00:53:40.440
What was the one that got me angry?

1271
00:53:40.500 --> 00:53:41.699
The HIV one.

1272
00:53:41.760 --> 00:53:43.019
Stigma.

1273
00:53:43.079 --> 00:53:45.719
Yeah, that would be really cross.

1274
00:53:45.780 --> 00:53:49.260
But again, you know, like more interesting.

1275
00:53:49.320 --> 00:53:50.460
It did get us talking.

1276
00:53:50.519 --> 00:53:54.420
And so now she's out in the real world and none of this happened.

1277
00:53:54.480 --> 00:53:57.719
She's been trapped in the patent buffer for 8.3 seconds.

1278
00:53:57.960 --> 00:54:01.079
And I love Flux's line.

1279
00:54:01.139 --> 00:54:03.539
I actually do love Fox's line where he says, well, no, would have

1280
00:54:03.539 --> 00:54:05.280
only been the last 2.5 seconds.

1281
00:54:05.579 --> 00:54:12.960
So she, within the fake out, yeah, she jumped onto the alien

1282
00:54:12.960 --> 00:54:13.800
transport, didn't she?

1283
00:54:13.920 --> 00:54:16.559
And then came out through our transport.

1284
00:54:16.619 --> 00:54:18.239
And so for a 2nd we think it's been real.

1285
00:54:18.539 --> 00:54:24.300
Did she have to use a transporter in order to leave the fake out?

1286
00:54:24.360 --> 00:54:25.260
No, no, no.

1287
00:54:25.320 --> 00:54:27.659
I think it was just that that's just a coincidence?

1288
00:54:27.719 --> 00:54:29.940
Yeah, but then they try and make it the well.

1289
00:54:30.000 --> 00:54:32.639
You did learn a valuable lesson about getting on the transporter

1290
00:54:32.639 --> 00:54:34.019
if you absolutely have to.

1291
00:54:34.079 --> 00:54:37.559
You know, and that's the character moment.

1292
00:54:37.619 --> 00:54:40.500
It's nothing to do about the fact that she's overlooked and

1293
00:54:40.500 --> 00:54:43.320
sidelined and forgotten and worried about whether she could do her

1294
00:54:43.320 --> 00:54:47.219
job or any of the things that the episode looks like it might be

1295
00:54:47.219 --> 00:54:47.460
about.

1296
00:54:47.579 --> 00:54:49.679
Um, but easy.

1297
00:54:49.739 --> 00:54:51.960
Oh no, I will say, look, watch Archer here.

1298
00:54:52.019 --> 00:54:55.019
There is more warmth to his performance here.

1299
00:54:55.079 --> 00:54:57.420
So maybe he's doing a deliberate choice in the fake out.

1300
00:54:57.480 --> 00:54:58.260
Yeah, maybe.

1301
00:54:58.320 --> 00:55:01.800
Maybe everyone's being weird with her in that in that other thing

1302
00:55:01.800 --> 00:55:03.539
but they're not really weird enough.

1303
00:55:04.199 --> 00:55:07.079
No, Jolene was just being a cunt.

1304
00:55:07.139 --> 00:55:09.179
Like, she was just being horrible.

1305
00:55:10.260 --> 00:55:12.960
Yeah, what was the Ensign's name again?

1306
00:55:13.019 --> 00:55:15.599
Edson Beard, who did a much better job than you.

1307
00:55:15.659 --> 00:55:17.280
Go back to your quarters.

1308
00:55:17.340 --> 00:55:19.980
That's right Alison is even speaking to her.

1309
00:55:20.579 --> 00:55:25.139
I hope we see Alison again at some point, you know. never again.

1310
00:55:25.199 --> 00:55:27.239
She's in it for many seconds.

1311
00:55:27.300 --> 00:55:28.980
You know, there's a few episodes.

1312
00:55:29.039 --> 00:55:31.920
You remember the one we saw where the ship got blasted to shit and

1313
00:55:31.920 --> 00:55:33.420
loads of people got flying out into space?

1314
00:55:33.480 --> 00:55:34.500
Oh, that was probably Allison.

1315
00:55:34.559 --> 00:55:36.659
Oh, God, we've lost ourselves.

1316
00:55:36.719 --> 00:55:38.340
Not now.

1317
00:55:38.340 --> 00:55:39.780
Close up on Hoshi.

1318
00:55:39.840 --> 00:55:40.860
Not Alison.

1319
00:55:40.920 --> 00:55:43.139
Everyone loved Alison.

1320
00:55:44.280 --> 00:55:46.260
Oh, it ended.

1321
00:55:46.320 --> 00:55:47.519
That was it.

1322
00:55:47.519 --> 00:55:48.659
Yeah, there we go.

1323
00:55:48.719 --> 00:55:53.400
Well, um, normally, you know, we have some sort of a wrap up about

1324
00:55:53.400 --> 00:55:56.940
these episodes and we can sort of bring all the themes to a great

1325
00:55:56.940 --> 00:55:58.739
rousing conclusion.

1326
00:55:58.800 --> 00:56:00.599
What have you got to say today?

1327
00:56:00.659 --> 00:56:02.099
Yeah, I mean, that was nothing.

1328
00:56:02.159 --> 00:56:08.400
I think that was probably more boring than Oasis, but only a

1329
00:56:08.400 --> 00:56:09.360
smidge.

1330
00:56:09.420 --> 00:56:10.980
It's a toss up, really.

1331
00:56:11.039 --> 00:56:13.440
They were both bad episodes and they were bad for the same

1332
00:56:13.440 --> 00:56:13.800
reason.

1333
00:56:13.860 --> 00:56:17.579
They were doing a thing that they'd done a lot of times before, and

1334
00:56:17.579 --> 00:56:20.820
they weren't doing it particularly interestingly, and nothing was

1335
00:56:20.820 --> 00:56:21.900
happening to anyone.

1336
00:56:21.960 --> 00:56:26.039
So it was just a big waste of time, really.

1337
00:56:26.219 --> 00:56:31.320
I've got a question to ask you then to out this is, do you think

1338
00:56:31.320 --> 00:56:32.820
Enterprise had a hope?

1339
00:56:32.940 --> 00:56:38.460
With this creative team behind it, did it have a chance?

1340
00:56:38.519 --> 00:56:44.460
Because basically, it's after 2 that, it was cancelled after three

1341
00:56:44.460 --> 00:56:47.400
I think, they wanted it gone after three, but they gave it another

1342
00:56:47.400 --> 00:56:47.820
year.

1343
00:56:48.059 --> 00:56:52.019
But I think it was after 2 where they basically said, you know

1344
00:56:52.019 --> 00:56:53.340
what, you either make this better.

1345
00:56:53.400 --> 00:56:55.679
Oh, we take it off the air.

1346
00:56:56.039 --> 00:57:00.059
And they made a stab, as we've talked about before.

1347
00:57:00.300 --> 00:57:02.219
You know, twice over.

1348
00:57:02.280 --> 00:57:05.099
I think series 3 is streets ahead of this.

1349
00:57:05.159 --> 00:57:07.679
And I think it's really bad Star Trek.

1350
00:57:07.739 --> 00:57:13.079
Like, I think it's a space show that's not very Star Treky at all

1351
00:57:13.079 --> 00:57:14.340
but it's interesting.

1352
00:57:14.400 --> 00:57:17.639
It's got serialised things, things are happening to people.

1353
00:57:17.699 --> 00:57:21.300
There's ongoing plots, and then series 4 ramps that up.

1354
00:57:21.360 --> 00:57:24.960
Everything is ongoing, things have consequences, all of the things

1355
00:57:24.960 --> 00:57:25.920
that they're avoiding.

1356
00:57:25.980 --> 00:57:29.280
They very, very much wanted this to have a very, very light

1357
00:57:29.280 --> 00:57:35.460
backstory, not much law, and not much happening from episode to

1358
00:57:35.460 --> 00:57:36.119
episode.

1359
00:57:36.179 --> 00:57:39.539
It was the sort of thing that you didn't need a big commitment to

1360
00:57:39.539 --> 00:57:40.199
understand.

1361
00:57:40.260 --> 00:57:44.099
You didn't need to have watched 100s and 100s of episodes of Star

1362
00:57:44.099 --> 00:57:46.500
Trek to get it was clearly what they were going for.

1363
00:57:46.559 --> 00:57:48.900
Is that there, what you just pitched there?

1364
00:57:48.960 --> 00:57:49.440
Yeah.

1365
00:57:49.500 --> 00:57:52.199
That's when you take these jobs away from people.

1366
00:57:52.440 --> 00:57:55.260
When that's your pitch.

1367
00:57:55.320 --> 00:57:55.559
Yeah.

1368
00:57:55.619 --> 00:57:58.679
We thought we'd do Star Trek only, we would take everything out of

1369
00:57:58.679 --> 00:58:02.159
it that was really interesting and then we would have spaceships

1370
00:58:02.159 --> 00:58:05.579
and stuff and white men would be in charge again.

1371
00:58:05.699 --> 00:58:07.500
I don't know either.

1372
00:58:07.559 --> 00:58:11.699
I especially don't know why you keep pressing it on the randomiser

1373
00:58:11.699 --> 00:58:13.139
but I'm pleased you do.

1374
00:58:13.139 --> 00:58:16.260
Part of the choice, we'd be stuck doing all of this bullshit at

1375
00:58:16.260 --> 00:58:18.000
the end of our podcast.

1376
00:58:24.960 --> 00:58:29.280
All right, it's the end of the episode and it is time for us to

1377
00:58:29.280 --> 00:58:31.260
work out where we're going next.

1378
00:58:31.320 --> 00:58:35.579
And I'm hoping, Joe, that you have an excellent episode of the

1379
00:58:35.579 --> 00:58:38.039
animated series teed up for us to watch.

1380
00:58:38.099 --> 00:58:43.320
Oh, well, it's a distinct possibility that it could be because, you

1381
00:58:43.320 --> 00:58:47.280
know, my favourite thing is to throw in all the shows to see what

1382
00:58:47.280 --> 00:58:47.699
we get.

1383
00:58:47.760 --> 00:58:49.019
I do love doing that.

1384
00:58:49.079 --> 00:58:51.840
However, I have taken out the films because we only do those at

1385
00:58:51.840 --> 00:58:56.699
Christmas. and enterprise because I need a little break, all

1386
00:58:56.699 --> 00:58:56.880
right.

1387
00:58:56.940 --> 00:58:58.679
Enterprise.

1388
00:58:58.739 --> 00:58:59.219
It not you.

1389
00:58:59.280 --> 00:58:59.820
It's me.

1390
00:58:59.880 --> 00:59:00.960
Okay.

1391
00:59:01.019 --> 00:59:03.719
Right, let's go and see what happens now.

1392
00:59:04.199 --> 00:59:09.480
Your random Star Trek original series episode. is season one

1393
00:59:09.480 --> 00:59:12.300
episode six, errand of mercy.

1394
00:59:12.360 --> 00:59:14.039
Ooh, what's that about?

1395
00:59:14.340 --> 00:59:17.760
So this is this is actually a proper one.

1396
00:59:17.820 --> 00:59:18.719
This is a law one.

1397
00:59:18.780 --> 00:59:21.719
This introduces the character of Kor, the Klingon who will, of

1398
00:59:21.719 --> 00:59:25.860
course, come back in Deep Space 9, one of the 3 TOS Klingons, and

1399
00:59:25.860 --> 00:59:28.199
it's the Organian treaty and stuff like that.

1400
00:59:28.260 --> 00:59:29.519
So it's early.

1401
00:59:29.579 --> 00:59:31.440
It's Gene Coon.

1402
00:59:31.500 --> 00:59:35.820
So it's creating Star Trek in all sorts of ways, I think.

1403
00:59:35.940 --> 00:59:39.179
And, you know, I do love TOS.

1404
00:59:39.239 --> 00:59:43.199
I mean, the rarest of things in Star Trek. 1st season is the

1405
00:59:43.199 --> 00:59:43.440
best.

1406
00:59:43.500 --> 00:59:44.460
Yeah, yeah.

1407
00:59:44.460 --> 00:59:47.460
Unfortunately, I have already pressed the button again.

1408
00:59:47.519 --> 00:59:49.320
Sorry, I'm so sorry.

1409
00:59:49.380 --> 00:59:50.519
I'm so sorry.

1410
00:59:50.579 --> 00:59:52.920
I mean, this may sway you or I may press it again.

1411
00:59:52.980 --> 00:59:53.639
Okay, all right.

1412
00:59:53.699 --> 00:59:55.800
Your random Star Trek.

1413
00:59:55.860 --> 01:00:01.980
The next generation episode is season one, episodes one and two

1414
01:00:01.980 --> 01:00:03.239
encounter at Far Boy.

1415
01:00:03.300 --> 01:00:05.099
Oh, what do you think?

1416
01:00:05.159 --> 01:00:08.460
We're just soaking up...

1417
01:00:08.519 --> 01:00:12.179
We're soaking up all of the 2 parties.

1418
01:00:12.239 --> 01:00:16.139
We're doing all of the big, big episodes.

1419
01:00:16.440 --> 01:00:19.380
I mean, I am tempted.

1420
01:00:19.440 --> 01:00:20.280
I am.

1421
01:00:20.340 --> 01:00:23.820
You are right though, and we don't want to be...

1422
01:00:23.880 --> 01:00:26.699
I mean, we should have some pilots and finales left.

1423
01:00:26.760 --> 01:00:27.900
Yeah.

1424
01:00:27.900 --> 01:00:28.320
Yeah.

1425
01:00:28.380 --> 01:00:29.760
All right, okay.

1426
01:00:29.820 --> 01:00:31.199
I say again.

1427
01:00:31.260 --> 01:00:35.159
Your random Star Trek Voyager episode is season one.

1428
01:00:35.219 --> 01:00:35.880
Uh-oh.

1429
01:00:35.940 --> 01:00:38.940
Episode nine, Emanations.

1430
01:00:39.000 --> 01:00:41.099
I think that's a Harry Kim episode.

1431
01:00:41.159 --> 01:00:43.800
Isn't that the one where he thinks he's gone to the afterlife?

1432
01:00:43.920 --> 01:00:45.960
It's got Jerry Harding in it.

1433
01:00:46.019 --> 01:00:50.940
I think it might be, and I've just very quickly looked up Jammer

1434
01:00:50.940 --> 01:00:55.440
and edited that bit out, and it is, he thinks he's in the

1435
01:00:55.440 --> 01:00:56.159
afterlife.

1436
01:00:56.219 --> 01:00:58.920
So it's an early Harry Kim episode.

1437
01:00:58.980 --> 01:01:01.860
And it's going to be a little bit like what we just watched where

1438
01:01:01.860 --> 01:01:03.960
everyone's kind of going, where's Harry?

1439
01:01:04.019 --> 01:01:05.519
I don't know where Harry is.

1440
01:01:06.000 --> 01:01:07.559
No, no.

1441
01:01:07.619 --> 01:01:09.780
I think that's the one where they genuinely, they all think he's

1442
01:01:09.780 --> 01:01:12.840
dead, and they're all just absolutely heartbroken, you know

1443
01:01:12.840 --> 01:01:15.300
especially Janeway, who considers him a son.

1444
01:01:15.360 --> 01:01:20.760
Well, this could be a bit like what we just watched only a lot

1445
01:01:20.760 --> 01:01:25.559
better enjoyable, even though it's Voyager Series one, which we

1446
01:01:25.559 --> 01:01:27.900
don't hate, I think. do you reckon?

1447
01:01:28.019 --> 01:01:32.099
Unfortunately, I have press the button one last time, but I think

1448
01:01:32.099 --> 01:01:32.820
we should do this one.

1449
01:01:33.900 --> 01:01:36.480
It's Star Trek Voyager again.

1450
01:01:36.539 --> 01:01:37.139
All good.

1451
01:01:37.139 --> 01:01:40.559
It's season six, episode 23.

1452
01:01:40.559 --> 01:01:42.539
Fury.

1453
01:01:42.659 --> 01:01:44.760
Oh, okay. excellent.

1454
01:01:44.820 --> 01:01:45.960
She's back.

1455
01:01:45.960 --> 01:01:50.039
She's evil and she's back.

1456
01:01:50.820 --> 01:01:55.800
And either they put a load of latex on Jennifer Leanne's face or

1457
01:01:55.800 --> 01:01:58.980
she's just had a bad time since she's left Star Trek and I think

1458
01:01:58.980 --> 01:01:59.940
that might be the case.

1459
01:01:59.940 --> 01:02:01.320
I think is the case.

1460
01:02:01.380 --> 01:02:03.840
I mean, that's quite intriguing, isn't it?

1461
01:02:03.900 --> 01:02:04.500
Oh, yeah, yeah.

1462
01:02:04.559 --> 01:02:05.699
And I have watched that.

1463
01:02:05.760 --> 01:02:09.059
I think since we started this, I have actually dipped in and seen

1464
01:02:09.059 --> 01:02:11.159
Fury and I thought it was terrible.

1465
01:02:11.219 --> 01:02:16.679
And in a way, in a way that is absolutely enraging.

1466
01:02:16.739 --> 01:02:20.340
And I will be very happy to talk about it.

1467
01:02:20.400 --> 01:02:22.380
Oh, I mean, so there you go.

1468
01:02:22.440 --> 01:02:25.980
We'll have a much more animated conversation next week.

1469
01:02:26.039 --> 01:02:29.579
I remember it having all these sort of weird time travel

1470
01:02:29.579 --> 01:02:34.739
shenanigans that make no sense whatsoever and that she has no

1471
01:02:34.739 --> 01:02:37.679
motivation at all for the things that she does.

1472
01:02:37.739 --> 01:02:40.619
Yeah, everyone was very nice to her on board shoot for 3 years

1473
01:02:40.619 --> 01:02:42.719
and...

1474
01:02:42.780 --> 01:02:43.679
No, she hates them.

1475
01:02:45.480 --> 01:02:47.699
Well, evil cares.

1476
01:02:47.760 --> 01:02:48.239
Bring it on.

1477
01:02:48.300 --> 01:02:48.719
Excellent.

1478
01:02:56.039 --> 01:02:59.760
You've been listening to Untitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford

1479
01:02:59.760 --> 01:03:03.659
and Nathan Bottomley, where online at Untitled Star Trek Project

1480
01:03:02.880 --> 01:03:06.179
com where you can find subscription links and links to our social

1481
01:03:06.179 --> 01:03:06.960
media accounts.

1482
01:03:07.019 --> 01:03:10.920
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Ciceran and the theme was composed

1483
01:03:10.920 --> 01:03:12.179
by Cameron Lamb.

1484
01:03:12.239 --> 01:03:16.440
This episode was recorded on the 6th of January, 2026 and released

1485
01:03:16.440 --> 01:03:17.820
on the 9th of January.

1486
01:03:17.880 --> 01:03:21.659
We'll see you next time for Star Trek Voyager, Fury.

1487
01:03:42.719 --> 01:03:45.000
Nathan, there is nothing else to say about.

1488
01:03:45.119 --> 01:03:46.920
I can't believe that we spoke about it for so long.

1489
01:03:46.980 --> 01:03:48.659
It's so bad.

1490
01:03:48.719 --> 01:03:49.980
Well, we did talk about the ceilings.

1491
01:03:50.039 --> 01:03:51.300
Yeah, that's true.

1492
01:03:56.940 --> 01:04:02.159
What a strange back alley, that's his 1st 2 years of enterprise.

1493
01:04:02.219 --> 01:04:03.960
Good God. thinking.

1494
01:04:04.019 --> 01:04:06.119
Let me get the red device wrong.

1495
01:04:06.179 --> 01:04:09.599
It is, it's Star Trek for people who found Star Trek too

1496
01:04:09.599 --> 01:04:10.139
challenging.

1497
01:04:11.039 --> 01:04:12.599
No one.

1498
01:04:12.719 --> 01:04:13.500
No.

1499
01:04:18.000 --> 01:04:21.900
I just, it just, well, I don't know.

1500
01:04:21.960 --> 01:04:23.940
Because there's all these people online going how terrible

1501
01:04:23.940 --> 01:04:27.239
Starfleet Academy is going to be because, you know, it's woke or

1502
01:04:27.239 --> 01:04:27.480
something.

1503
01:04:27.539 --> 01:04:29.400
Full of young people.

1504
01:04:29.460 --> 01:04:31.860
I know, no one's seen it yet, so I don't know what the problem

1505
01:04:31.860 --> 01:04:32.159
is.

1506
01:04:32.219 --> 01:04:35.460
But it is that sort of, you know, 90 Star Trek is actually not

1507
01:04:35.460 --> 01:04:36.719
always that great.

1508
01:04:36.780 --> 01:04:39.179
I don't know what...

1509
01:04:39.179 --> 01:04:42.420
I mean, you know me, I've had a sort of mixed reaction to Kosman

1510
01:04:42.420 --> 01:04:42.780
Trey.

1511
01:04:42.840 --> 01:04:44.699
The best of it has been fantastic.

1512
01:04:44.760 --> 01:04:50.099
And for me, the worst of it's been just stuff that hasn't chimed

1513
01:04:50.099 --> 01:04:50.400
with me.

1514
01:04:50.460 --> 01:04:52.079
It's not been bad telly.

1515
01:04:52.139 --> 01:04:54.719
It's just stuff that art doesn't interest me.

1516
01:04:54.780 --> 01:04:55.619
That's fair enough.

1517
01:04:55.679 --> 01:04:57.840
Yeah, I mean, yes.

1518
01:04:57.900 --> 01:05:00.239
Yeah, I'm really looking forward to stuff.

1519
01:05:00.360 --> 01:05:01.500
Yeah, but there is that.

1520
01:05:01.559 --> 01:05:05.460
There really is that voice there in Trek fandom now, isn't there?

1521
01:05:05.820 --> 01:05:09.420
Yeah, that our terrible daytime soap opera where everyone just

1522
01:05:09.420 --> 01:05:12.420
stood around in standing sets talking to one another with

1523
01:05:12.420 --> 01:05:15.719
occasional special effect and everyone had massive stick up their

1524
01:05:15.719 --> 01:05:16.139
ass.

1525
01:05:16.440 --> 01:05:18.840
Deep Space might accept it.

1526
01:05:18.900 --> 01:05:19.860
Red tea.

1527
01:05:19.920 --> 01:05:20.280
All right.

1528
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I'm ready.

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All right, it's the end of the episode.