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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So, we are back for the end of the year, and we are celebrating

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the end of 2025 by watching Deep Space 9, season 4, episodes one

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and 2, The Way of the Warrior, which 1st screened as a double

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length episode on the 2nd of October, 1995.

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So 30 years ago.

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It's directed by James L. Conway, written by Ira Stephen Bear, and

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Robert Hewitt Wolf.

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Oh, those are names to conjure, don't you think?

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Yeah, yeah.

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Oh my god.

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I've told you, I've watched this 3.5 times since it was chosen

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last week.

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I work in retail.

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It been a hard week.

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I need as much fun as I can get right now.

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I do have one big question for you, though.

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Why does untitled Star Trek Project Hate Todd Bealby?

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You know, we invite him on his ambition to be on one of these

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episodes. and we force him to watch Star Trek 5, the final

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frontier, and then the very next episode that he chooses.

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One of his all-time favourite episodes.

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The Way of the Warrior.

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Sorry, Todd, but thank you.

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He repaid our meanness with the ultimate kindness, really.

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It's teaching us to be better people, don't you think?

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I think he is.

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I think this is incredible.

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And it's one of 3 episodes of Deep Space 9 that are feature length

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that are twice as long.

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And those are obviously emistry, this and what you leave behind.

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And so this has, I think, a pretty fair claim to being a 2nd pilot

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of the show.

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And there's stuff that debuts here that is then present all the

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way through the following 4 seasons and that creates Deep Space 9

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in the way that we sort of grew to love it.

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And it's always a sort of funny thing with seasons one, 2, and 3

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because kind of the basic idea is there.

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The cast is there.

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They're doing the sort of thing that they continue to do, but this

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episode really just kind of makes the show pivot and suddenly

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everything clicks into place.

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And so we get an incredible run from here on in.

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There's been like a sudden creative adrenaline. pumped into the

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series and I think you're right.

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I think, and they are, they have been getting better and better

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throughout one, two, and three.

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There's some great stuff in three.

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Well, there's some great swimming too as well.

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But we raise the ceiling quite a lot here, you know, and show what

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we can really do with the show.

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When I watched this, what really stood out to me was the

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confidence on display in this episode and it's unearned

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confidence.

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That's why it's so impressive.

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DS9 debuted with 18000000 viewers.

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By the time you get to the end of series 3.

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They're down to about 5 or 6000000 viewers, right?

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They've lost over 10000000 of their audience and they're not

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attracting anywhere near the sort of audience that TNG was getting

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as high, right?

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So they knew they were floundering and you'll probably go into it

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a minute, what they try to do here to inject more interest in the

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show.

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But it's like they've just immediately gone, we've got a fantastic

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product.

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Let's present it at its absolute best with this charismatic cast

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with everyone getting great lines, with huge shifts in the

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storytelling, with great development of the characters.

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And there is some dynamic special effects at the end of this.

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For 90s trek, with as much money on the screen as we can possibly

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do it.

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Yeah, the confidence on display here.

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It just really impresses me and I think it's rare.

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I don't know why I feel like a lot of Star Trek...

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Voyager, especially, enterprise, definitely, and even moments in

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Kursman Trek as well, where I just don't think those shows

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actually genuinely believe in themselves or the product that

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they're putting out.

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This is a show that's just basically saying, we're fucking great.

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Look at what we can do.

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And it's great.

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So they had been given instructions from the studio to kind of

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shake things up a bit.

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And according to the memory alpha page.

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They had originally thought that what they would do would be to

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get the Vulcans to leave the Federation for some reason. have a

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thing, which is a Falcon story.

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But there's a line in maybe the Dyer's cast in series three.

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Is that right?

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Where, where someone says, the Dominion really only have 2

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challenges in the Alpha Quadrant, the Federation, and the

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Klingons.

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And that sets them thinking and they decide to undo an incredible

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development in kind of the Star Trek franchise.

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Because remember the big historical event that happens between the

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original series in Star Trek, the Next Generation, is the alliance

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between the Klingons and the Federation.

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And that's central to what TNG is because TNG isn't about war.

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It's about diplomacy and making alliances and building coalitions

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and working together, having alliances, all of that.

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And that's in there in the setup.

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Oh, doesn't that sound so boring.

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It kind of is.

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But, well, you know, late discovery has that as a premise as well

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and I think it works really well.

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But, but what they do here, I think this is their best of both

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worlds moment where they have a huge historical event.

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So they had their historical event, which is the discovery of the

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Dominion and stuff like that, but that's still kind of bubbling

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under.

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It's not a canon thing.

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Do you know what I mean?

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It's a Deep Space 9 thing.

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Deep Space 9 owns the Dominion.

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And here what we're doing is affecting the trajectory of Star Trek

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history by breaking that alliance.

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And I think, I think it's genius in the sense that it's more

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interesting than just an all out attack, the Domitian come through

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the wormhole and start firing guns at us.

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What they do instead is they undermine the kind of geopolitical

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order.

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Think about Russian interference in Brexit, think about Russian

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interference in the 2016 election.

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Do you know what I mean?

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That's a much more grown up and more interesting way for the

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Dominion to behave, and it lets us do something new with the

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Klingons, who we care about more than we care about the Dominion.

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We just haven't seen this before, have we?

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These seismic shifts like this.

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It's so good.

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We have seen it once, which was in best of both worlds.

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We talked about that being pivotal to TNG, and it's the reason

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that that's the thing that we think of when we think of TNG.

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But this is this is Deep Space Nine's best of both worlds.

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And of course, it manages, I think, to be better than best of both

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worlds because I think the underlying show is better in all sorts

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of ways.

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I mean, certainly as a piece of television, as an acted piece of

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television, I think, is much better.

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But like best of both worlds, all the seismic events are in that

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episode and then it sort of everything spirals out from that

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right?

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Here, you have seismic episode, but it's like a domino rally and

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the events just keep falling over and changing as the show goes

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along.

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It's just such a different show.

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Do you remember, though, in apocalypse rising at the start of

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season five?

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The big twist at the end of that is, I think Gaurons are changing

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right?

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And he's the one here at the start of this, causing this war to

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undermine everything as a changeling.

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And it turns out it's Martoc.

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So they retroactively actually make this an entire Dominion plot.

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It's so cleverly dumb.

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Yeah, I mean, it is a Dominion thing.

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Like the concern about the Dominion is causing this, allegedly.

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But, of course, we start with the idea that the Dominion can hide

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anywhere.

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The opening scene tells us that.

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And then the scene where we meet Martoc in person for the 1st time

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is all about establishing our credentials as not changelings.

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And so it was always there.

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It was always kind of an idea that this wasn't the Klingon war as

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such, that this was something that was happening with the

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Dominion.

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I just think, I think it's so incredibly good.

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And then there's the other thing, which I think is great, is that

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I don't think there's very much action here at all.

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I think we get the uncloaking of the Klingon chips at the end of

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the cold open.

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We get a space battle where we rescue Ducart, and then we get the

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big space battle at the end, and then we get the station being

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boarded.

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And so there are action sequences, but that's actually not much of

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the episode.

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And so most of this is done just by conversations between regulars

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and semi-regulars.

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It's just 2 people in a room talking over and over again.

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But because we have a wider variety of characters than we have on

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any other Star Trek show and a wide variety of standing sets.

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I know this sounds ridiculous, but not everything happens on the

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bridge and in the observation lounge, you know, things happen in

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all over the shopping mall that is Deep Space Night.

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And so there's a huge variety of viewpoints, a huge variety of

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people with different interests.

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There's a lot going on in all of the characters lives.

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It's so good.

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It's so well done, I think.

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The other secret weapon, obviously, of DSPace 9 is this cast, and

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I mean the regulars and the secondary cast as well.

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And just everyone is on top.

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They're just sparkling in this, right?

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It's almost like everyone's been told, come on, this is our chance

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to grab and it works.

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They suddenly went up to about 9000000 viewers again.

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So it, they, they gained sort of, okay, they lost them again.

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I think they blamed the serialised nature of DS9.

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I wonder if at the time we just weren't ready for it. like TV just

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wasn't really doing that that much, not science fiction anyway.

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Nowadays, it would thrive, you know, like Jesus Christ.

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Yeah, and I was just bouncing from scene to scene and you know

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me.

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I love hanging on DS9 and I love being with these characters.

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But when they're as well written as this.

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I mean, the scene between Cork and Garak at the bar, you know, the

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bit between, I'm not just going to mention Garak, I promise.

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The same between Garak and Odo on the promenade, the bit between

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Garak and Brashir after he's beaten up.

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I mean, okay, I will mention Garak a lot, yeah.

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I mean, do politically manoeuvring his way through the Tapa

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Council, you know, all of it.

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But the real joy, the absolute joy, beyond bringing Michael Dawn

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in, which was just inspired.

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And it didn't have to work, right?

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There could have been huge Kate Mulgrew levels of resentment from

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this crew.

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I think Terry Farrell helped because she had a great friendship

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with Michael Dawn.

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And she's like, Michael's come in.

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My God, great.

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And they all just embraced him.

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And he actually says, it's out there in interviews and people that

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love TNG, I apologise.

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He said a lot of his best work was on DS 9.

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A lot of the best writing that he got was on DS9.

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And I think it does take him a little while to settle in in four

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but when he does and they give him the relationship with Dax and

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all of that stuff, he just is wonderful.

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But the biggest surprise here is Avery Brooks for me, who finally

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gets to shave his fucking air off, get his go-to.

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He gets to look like that character from TJ Hooker.

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That's how we wanted to play the role all along.

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And it's like the shackles have gone off him and that quiet, softly

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spoken person, command of Cisco from the 1st 3 seasons, is out and

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Captain Cisco, you know, screaming, fire.

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Every 5 minutes is in.

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And Jesus Christ, man.

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I just can't get enough of him.

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I wonder, I wonder, and I've never heard him interviewed on this

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subject, whether, like, it's telling that when we get our 1st Star

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Trek series with a black lead, he is still outranked by the white

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leads in the 2 other shows that are running at the same time.

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You know, they certainly enforce the hair on him.

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They didn't want him to look too alpha male, you know.

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Yeah, I think that he underplays it so as not to scare the viewers

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at home.

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I mean, I still think he's compelling even in the early series.

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I think it's quite nice to have a sensitive black family man

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leading the show.

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All of that stuff's beautiful.

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We've talked about that.

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I think that's really stunning.

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And he's just so good in this.

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And also, like now you've got 2 black men on the regular cast, and

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Michael in this, I think, is just extremely good.

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They look at his character because they're Deep Space 9 Riders, and

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they spend some time thinking about what's happened to this

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character since generations of what his life is like.

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And they get warf, I think, better than the TNG writers do.

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I think, you know, the TNG writers have an idea for wharf that

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doesn't work.

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They discover that Michael can be funny and they let him be funny

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increasingly.

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They do, and I think it's mostly royalty more.

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They do sort of talk about the outsider status that he has both in

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the Federation and in the Klingon Empire, and that's Ronald D

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Moore. and so Ronald D. Moore creates that.

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He's still on board at this point.

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Worf isn't being taken in a new trajectory, but he's being written

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by people who are more thoughtful about what his background is and

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who bring that to the show in a way that Star Trek, The Next

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Generation, isn't really the sort of show for, I guess.

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The biggest change to war.

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Oh, long run in joke with Warf on Star Trek Project is on TNG is

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always wrong.

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Well, yeah, yeah.

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The biggest change is frequently on DS9. is often right, which is

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quite refreshing, you know?

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But they still do make him funny.

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I mean, his line, nice hat in this match.

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But it's like a reference to the survivors.

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Remember he walks into Kevin and Rashon's house and he goes, nice

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house, you know, good tea or whatever.

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You know, that that sort of comedy that they learn that he can

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do.

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They just get him to do it immediately.

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And that's one of my favourite scenes in the episode.

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It's one of the fun ones that isn't cut for the two-part version

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for syndication, but just him saying nice hat.

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And then Kira's massive, abject embarrassment at it.

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And then she has to kind of fight her way out of the hat. so

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good.

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I will not be on demand.

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I am the 1st officer on this show. bless it.

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But like you look ahead. you know, we've already done far beyond

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the stars.

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Do you remember Michael Dawn in that, you know, just wonderful

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very funny.

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Do you remember him in?

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Take me out to the hola suite, you know.

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Find him and kill him.

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You know, like, he has a great time on DS9.

305
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Yeah, it was a really savvy move.

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It didn't have to work, but it worked like Gamebusters.

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Well, what do you think?

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Should we watch it?

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Oh, please, you better prepare yourself, though, for a few quotes

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along the way.

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All right.

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I think this I don't often get to say 90s trek dialogue sings, but

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yeah, it's pretty good here.

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I'm sure you'll be there to give us the, as you know, Bob lines

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along the way.

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I do have some dialogue to make fun of.

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Okay, great.

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All right.

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Here goes.

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Five, four, three, two, one, and we're off.

321
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Who are those people?

322
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Okay.

323
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I don't know.

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All right.

325
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So, um, we start and this is very clever, I think, because we

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think that we've started in the middle of things.

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The adversary ends with someone talking about the threat of... of

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say we're still here.

329
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No, we're already in.

330
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No, I know.

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He goes, you're too late.

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We are everywhere.

333
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We're everywhere.

334
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Yeah.

335
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That's a great life.

336
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So yeah, we're like, what the hell is going on here?

337
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They're all running around the station with gums.

338
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But you get the male and female league leads with big guns.

339
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Do you know what I mean?

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running around the station.

341
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All we want in life.

342
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Absolutely.

343
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Kira's donning her Farrah Fawcett hair here for season four.

344
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I actually don't hate that hair, I have to say.

345
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Oh, he was the duvet all along.

346
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There's your 90s, sir.

347
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Odo changing affair. special thing.

348
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I mean, look at this.

349
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We doing a crane shot down the Promenade.

350
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

351
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There's a feeling of space here, isn't there?

352
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Yeah.

353
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Yeah.

354
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Well, they've got the big enough set that you can actually run for

355
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about 10 seconds.

356
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You'd have some trouble on 2 inches, wouldn't you?

357
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Maybe the corridors, but that's about it.

358
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You'd have to cut.

359
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Oh, look. comes morphing out of the information system on the

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promenade.

361
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Yeah, yeah, your notice board. says O'Brien.

362
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So it was Odo all along.

363
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Yeah.

364
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Well, that now we understand the line this changeling knows the

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station as well as we do, which was a pretty good line from early

366
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on.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, I think this is a really great way of selling it and

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reminding us of the Dominion immediately after the adversary, but

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before this feint where it becomes about the Kleons.

371
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Oh boy. everybody's here.

372
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Oh, and here comes Quark.

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He's just...

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He goes, look, you know, do you think if you might know when they

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might catch you next time, you know, we can... we can do a little

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better.

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We can have a sweep.

378
00:18:18.539 --> 00:18:22.380
But this is the sort of the big difference between T and G, right?

379
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Who would come in and be funny in the after a sort of opening

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action sequence like that?

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You just Troy?

382
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You know, like...

383
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Oh, now Kira does her administration and then we're straight to

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Cisco's quarters to see one of my favourites, Penny Johnson

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Gerald.

386
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Penny is here.

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Boy, oh boy.

388
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And look at these two.

389
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It's actually really quite nice because there is a kind of they're

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working together.

391
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Remember the show stars?

392
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Jesus Christ, yeah, yeah.

393
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Cisco said in the 2nd episode, you go over my head again, Major.

394
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I'll have yours on a platter, all right?

395
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But they've they've nixed that.

396
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That is now the, that's now, they're working together.

397
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Look at Penny's beautiful blue dress.

398
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She looks stunning, doesn't she?

399
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She's mid 60s as well.

400
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And this is her seeing him with a shaved head for the 1st time and

401
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she likes it.

402
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She's saying to Ross, well, look at that.

403
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I got my ass all over his head, all right.

404
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You see that beautiful man on the screen.

405
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I get touch all day.

406
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All right, you better be jealous.

407
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She is...

408
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So please check out.

409
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Check out her interviews because she just laughs the fact that she

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gets to touch Avery Brooks.

411
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Oh, this lot made me laugh.

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Bloody solely and silk.

413
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It couldn't just be silk, could it?

414
00:19:42.420 --> 00:19:45.119
No, well, the Tholian Web.

415
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They're weavers.

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You know, like it's...

417
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You know, even though it's kind of ugly, I don't know what Cisco's

418
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wearing, like sort of clash of colours and things.

419
00:19:54.779 --> 00:19:58.500
Well, I think that we're trying to look a little bit more African

420
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or something?

421
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Is that the idea?

422
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I think he starts to have more say in the outfits.

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And so I think he tries to make it look a little bit less kind of

424
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what do you call it?

425
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Um, uh, American apparel or something?

426
00:20:14.099 --> 00:20:15.960
Yeah, you mean.

427
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It looks like?

428
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The gap.

429
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That's it.

430
00:20:18.119 --> 00:20:19.619
Did you see that?

431
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Just see a real baseball match on Cestus 3.

432
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Ancestors 3..

433
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He's obsessed with the goal, man.

434
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Oh, what's this going about for doing that, I wonder.

435
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That's like a nice student.

436
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It looks great.

437
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His father always said, you know, way to a woman's heart is

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through her stomach.

439
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So it's my heart, you're up as well.

440
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I like that.

441
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Doesn't stop smiling when he's looking at her.

442
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That's why you're sold.

443
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I mean, why wouldn't you smile?

444
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Look at him.

445
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I actually like the fact that they're back and forth and they

446
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don't meet each other.

447
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They're both busy.

448
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They both have their own jobs and things are poorly timed and the

449
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meeting in the 2nd half between the 2 of them before he goes off.

450
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I think he's wonderful.

451
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It's so good.

452
00:21:08.819 --> 00:21:11.579
And that's when that really hot kiss takes place.

453
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I like the fact as well, they're setting up for the calls here as

454
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well, because she asked, what are they doing in the cargo bay?

455
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And she goes, no, no, you were lying to me now.

456
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And so she's already doing those runs at the moment for the

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marquee.

458
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Yeah, yeah, okay.

459
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Yeah, there's lots of things bubbling that we don't know about.

460
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Yeah, yeah.

461
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Oh, God, look, Kira's now interrupting dinner. for God's sakes.

462
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Yeah, yeah, of course.

463
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But he's the star of a TV show.

464
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He has to expect it.

465
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He knows that where.

466
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Please, can't I have a Reaching the end of the cold open.

467
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It's the rarest of things that romance in 90s trek.

468
00:21:45.599 --> 00:21:46.799
Please let me indulge it.

469
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

470
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But it is very romantic.

471
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I think this sells it when she comes aboard again later.

472
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You know, it's even better, if anything.

473
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I like to think, you know, because she's Cassidy and she's her own

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woman.

475
00:22:00.119 --> 00:22:01.920
She just sat down and enjoyed the meal anyway.

476
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I hope she did.

477
00:22:03.720 --> 00:22:06.359
Yeah, it would be a shame for it to go to waste.

478
00:22:06.420 --> 00:22:08.940
Nathan, look how sexy that Klingon ship is.

479
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I mean, it looks absolutely massive.

480
00:22:10.740 --> 00:22:18.119
So there are 2 types of Klingon chips on, on, on TNG, and this is

481
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one of them.

482
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He's our 1st Martok, by the way.

483
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This is Martoc appearing for the 1st time.

484
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Chewing the scenery does not begin to describe what J.G. Hertz was

485
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doing in this.

486
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He's really good.

487
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It's incredible.

488
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He just lands fully formed.

489
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Doesn't have a failing for his life.

490
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You know, we will be ready for them.

491
00:22:38.220 --> 00:22:42.839
So then we so we get a few of these Klingon tubes, but some of

492
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them look heaps like the ones from TOS.

493
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There's a model that they bring in that looks heaps like a TOS

494
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one.

495
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And just that shot of just, it's very short.

496
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It's only a couple of seconds.

497
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It could have afforded to be longer if they'd had the money, I

498
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guess, where we just gradually pan around and just cling on to

499
00:23:02.099 --> 00:23:03.539
decloaking all over the place.

500
00:23:03.599 --> 00:23:06.839
We have never seen anything like that on DS9 before, right?

501
00:23:06.900 --> 00:23:09.599
We can never usually afford more than one or 2 ships.

502
00:23:09.660 --> 00:23:11.940
So the fact that there's 10 on the screen is something.

503
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I mean, by the time we get the sacrifice of angels, there's 1500

504
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ships on the screen, but we've got CGI by then.

505
00:23:17.940 --> 00:23:25.140
Now, is the new, is the new, are the new titles series 3 or series

506
00:23:25.140 --> 00:23:25.559
four?

507
00:23:25.680 --> 00:23:27.119
It is series four.

508
00:23:27.180 --> 00:23:31.920
There is a version of the theme for Way of the Warrior, which is

509
00:23:31.920 --> 00:23:33.900
slightly tweaked for the rest of the season.

510
00:23:34.019 --> 00:23:38.640
They weren't too happy with the, I don't know if it's the bass or

511
00:23:38.640 --> 00:23:40.680
something that was happening with the music in this episode.

512
00:23:40.740 --> 00:23:43.140
So it's only in this episode that it sounds just like this.

513
00:23:43.200 --> 00:23:45.059
But it is an improvement, I think.

514
00:23:45.119 --> 00:23:48.299
And they've added all the different ships coming in and out, and

515
00:23:48.299 --> 00:23:52.440
of course, my favourite man flying through space to the upper

516
00:23:52.440 --> 00:23:52.799
pylon.

517
00:23:52.920 --> 00:23:59.759
Now, remember how, how spare those opening credits seem at the

518
00:23:59.759 --> 00:24:03.359
very beginning, where you've got that big shot of space and then

519
00:24:03.359 --> 00:24:05.940
the tiny little station appears, remember?

520
00:24:06.059 --> 00:24:07.980
And then there's nothing around it.

521
00:24:08.099 --> 00:24:10.920
Like, I think, like, there's nothing around it.

522
00:24:10.920 --> 00:24:17.519
And it's lonely and distant, and in this episode, that premise

523
00:24:17.519 --> 00:24:21.420
goes away, and it just becomes a hub, like one of the most

524
00:24:21.420 --> 00:24:23.460
important places in the quadrant.

525
00:24:23.519 --> 00:24:26.700
And that really, really only properly lands here, I think.

526
00:24:26.759 --> 00:24:28.680
What's the line in buy Inferno's light?

527
00:24:28.740 --> 00:24:32.759
Five years ago, nobody knew anything about Deep Space 9, and now

528
00:24:32.759 --> 00:24:34.619
all our hopes rest here.

529
00:24:34.680 --> 00:24:37.920
They're really trying to make it, but almost like the centre of

530
00:24:37.920 --> 00:24:39.359
the alpha quadrant now, aren't they?

531
00:24:39.420 --> 00:24:42.299
Like this is the hub. is where all the excitement is.

532
00:24:42.359 --> 00:24:45.599
And they do it without kind of ruining anything.

533
00:24:45.660 --> 00:24:50.640
You know, it's not, it doesn't, it still makes sense in story, I

534
00:24:50.640 --> 00:24:50.880
think.

535
00:24:50.940 --> 00:24:52.740
You know, Nathan, I can't help but notice.

536
00:24:52.799 --> 00:24:56.519
You know, the Klingons are being unusually quiet in Quarks today.

537
00:24:59.220 --> 00:25:02.519
What is all this stuff about the sand piece?

538
00:25:02.579 --> 00:25:10.380
I mean, this is actually cut from the, this is cut from the, the

539
00:25:10.380 --> 00:25:15.359
two-part version, which I watch in preparation for this. and Yamak

540
00:25:15.359 --> 00:25:16.140
sauce.

541
00:25:16.200 --> 00:25:16.980
Running jokes.

542
00:25:17.039 --> 00:25:17.880
That was from Progress.

543
00:25:17.940 --> 00:25:20.220
But also the sand piece.

544
00:25:20.279 --> 00:25:21.359
Do you remember the sand piece?

545
00:25:21.420 --> 00:25:26.039
That was in series 3 where someone goes to Quark. you know, try

546
00:25:26.039 --> 00:25:26.519
one of these.

547
00:25:26.640 --> 00:25:27.420
He goes, ooh.

548
00:25:27.480 --> 00:25:29.700
Because I reached my drink straight away.

549
00:25:29.759 --> 00:25:32.579
He goes, I know, it takes away the saliva in your mouth.

550
00:25:32.640 --> 00:25:35.339
And so there's, that's a running joke too.

551
00:25:35.460 --> 00:25:39.420
Well, I mean, that's why you serve peanuts in a bar, isn't it?

552
00:25:39.480 --> 00:25:40.859
so that people drink more.

553
00:25:40.980 --> 00:25:45.240
So this scene was missing from the version that I saw, and because

554
00:25:45.240 --> 00:25:51.720
this is a fun scene that is Quark doing things that aren't about

555
00:25:51.720 --> 00:25:52.140
the war.

556
00:25:52.200 --> 00:25:55.559
And then the next scene as well, which is in the holo suite with

557
00:25:55.559 --> 00:26:00.779
Dax and Kira is also kind of... taken away that scene, especially

558
00:26:00.779 --> 00:26:02.279
for the gift that we get.

559
00:26:02.339 --> 00:26:03.240
We'll get there.

560
00:26:03.599 --> 00:26:06.119
Oh, this is O'Brien's great.

561
00:26:06.180 --> 00:26:08.160
He goes, I'm going to go and talk to the Klingons and ask them

562
00:26:08.160 --> 00:26:08.940
what they're up to.

563
00:26:09.000 --> 00:26:10.319
No, don't.

564
00:26:10.559 --> 00:26:14.099
I don't want them to know we're up to you know?

565
00:26:14.339 --> 00:26:18.000
But you know, like, this is why I love DS9.

566
00:26:18.059 --> 00:26:18.839
They're just hanging.

567
00:26:18.900 --> 00:26:21.000
They're talking about silly stuff.

568
00:26:21.059 --> 00:26:22.440
This stuff's important.

569
00:26:22.500 --> 00:26:26.339
This is what we're trying to protect every time the station's

570
00:26:26.339 --> 00:26:26.700
attacked.

571
00:26:26.759 --> 00:26:28.920
This is the stuff that we want, you know?

572
00:26:29.279 --> 00:26:33.420
But this is the scene also that establishes that we have friendly

573
00:26:33.420 --> 00:26:36.539
relations with the Klingons just in case you're tuning in for the

574
00:26:36.539 --> 00:26:38.880
1st time with making that clear.

575
00:26:38.940 --> 00:26:40.380
They see now.

576
00:26:40.440 --> 00:26:42.960
So Martok cuts his hand, and of course, we're doing blood

577
00:26:42.960 --> 00:26:45.240
screenings in the middle of the season in home front.

578
00:26:45.299 --> 00:26:47.039
So this shows that that's a fallacy from the off.

579
00:26:47.099 --> 00:26:51.420
But do you remember who makes it clear that it's a fallacy in home

580
00:26:51.420 --> 00:26:51.779
from?

581
00:26:51.900 --> 00:26:54.839
Uh, it's Peters, isn't it?

582
00:26:54.900 --> 00:26:56.460
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

583
00:26:56.519 --> 00:27:00.240
It's Cisco's dad who says, you know, you're a shape shifter.

584
00:27:00.299 --> 00:27:03.599
You get a victim, you absorb their blood, and then you admit it on

585
00:27:03.599 --> 00:27:05.279
demand, you know, on demand.

586
00:27:05.339 --> 00:27:08.819
But I like the fact that because of the retroactive twist about

587
00:27:08.819 --> 00:27:12.180
Martoc, that means you've got a new reading on this scene.

588
00:27:12.240 --> 00:27:13.019
That isn't here now.

589
00:27:13.079 --> 00:27:16.200
Now, it's just no, they're not changelings.

590
00:27:16.259 --> 00:27:17.940
No, that's it.

591
00:27:18.000 --> 00:27:19.079
It's brilliant, isn't it?

592
00:27:19.140 --> 00:27:19.980
And I think that's really good.

593
00:27:20.039 --> 00:27:21.779
Because it's a thing you like, isn't it?

594
00:27:21.839 --> 00:27:24.059
The thing you like about this show is how they improvise.

595
00:27:24.119 --> 00:27:26.579
Well, the writers don't know.

596
00:27:26.700 --> 00:27:28.259
These isn't Babylon 5.

597
00:27:28.500 --> 00:27:31.500
The writers don't know that Martoc is a shapeshift.

598
00:27:31.559 --> 00:27:35.099
They discover that that would be a brilliant thing to do.

599
00:27:35.160 --> 00:27:37.980
You know, because they see where Martoc's going.

600
00:27:38.099 --> 00:27:39.900
They've got J.G. Hertzler.

601
00:27:39.960 --> 00:27:44.880
That incredible twist that we've already talked about, where we

602
00:27:44.880 --> 00:27:47.940
discover him in the in the prison, in the Dominion prison.

603
00:27:48.059 --> 00:27:52.980
I think as well, we've J.G. Hertzler and God, who plays Gowran?

604
00:27:53.039 --> 00:27:54.059
Robert O'Reilly, right?

605
00:27:54.119 --> 00:27:58.619
You've got 2 swaggeringly theatrical performances there where you

606
00:27:58.619 --> 00:28:02.819
can absolutely believe that this version of the Klingons will come

607
00:28:02.819 --> 00:28:07.740
in, you know, like big bullies and say, no, right, we're literally

608
00:28:07.740 --> 00:28:10.140
going to Cardassia, we're going to give them a bloody nose.

609
00:28:10.200 --> 00:28:11.279
Oh my god.

610
00:28:11.339 --> 00:28:12.000
All right.

611
00:28:12.000 --> 00:28:17.339
So these are very sort of standard white guys, but holy cares.

612
00:28:17.400 --> 00:28:17.880
Look at that.

613
00:28:17.940 --> 00:28:22.740
I must say that Malco's package is very generous.

614
00:28:24.900 --> 00:28:27.960
But I did, I love this scene.

615
00:28:28.019 --> 00:28:30.359
I love Kira going, yeah, yeah, yeah.

616
00:28:30.420 --> 00:28:33.420
I used to make believe that the Cardassians will stop killing the

617
00:28:33.420 --> 00:28:33.960
Bajorans.

618
00:28:34.019 --> 00:28:37.740
And then immediately she apologises and goes, I'm so sorry.

619
00:28:37.799 --> 00:28:40.920
You've tried to give us a fun day and I'm trying to ruin it by

620
00:28:40.920 --> 00:28:42.720
being, you know, boring Kira and it.

621
00:28:42.779 --> 00:28:43.500
He's a terrorist.

622
00:28:43.559 --> 00:28:44.640
She's learning.

623
00:28:45.000 --> 00:28:49.619
And she actually asks, doesn't she ask Julian and Miles later

624
00:28:49.619 --> 00:28:53.940
about their Battle of Britain thing in the Holo Suite, in a

625
00:28:53.940 --> 00:28:55.380
scene?

626
00:28:55.440 --> 00:28:56.940
throws herself into it, though, doesn't she?

627
00:28:57.000 --> 00:29:01.559
She, um, punches the man because I was playing a married woman.

628
00:29:02.400 --> 00:29:03.960
So great.

629
00:29:04.019 --> 00:29:05.220
It's so great.

630
00:29:05.279 --> 00:29:06.119
But I love this.

631
00:29:06.180 --> 00:29:07.380
I do think this is great.

632
00:29:07.440 --> 00:29:11.460
And I also think, you know, Star Trek.

633
00:29:12.839 --> 00:29:16.140
Like just the attitude to women is still a probably 90s track.

634
00:29:16.200 --> 00:29:21.180
And so just having, and it helps, I think, that Dax was a man at

635
00:29:21.180 --> 00:29:22.619
some point.

636
00:29:22.680 --> 00:29:26.940
And so that gives them an end to just let her be a little bit more

637
00:29:26.940 --> 00:29:28.200
sexually aggressive.

638
00:29:28.200 --> 00:29:33.960
And, you know, like to come in with 2 hot guys, you know, with her

639
00:29:33.960 --> 00:29:35.940
arms around 2 hot guys, I think is wonderful.

640
00:29:36.000 --> 00:29:38.039
Like I just think that's really fun.

641
00:29:38.099 --> 00:29:42.299
I know it is still exploitative because they're in a pair of you

642
00:29:42.299 --> 00:29:43.259
know, swimsuits there.

643
00:29:43.319 --> 00:29:45.420
But just having the 2 blowing a gun.

644
00:29:45.420 --> 00:29:47.099
So in those...

645
00:29:47.099 --> 00:29:49.380
Yeah, yeah. any shorts or whatever.

646
00:29:49.440 --> 00:29:49.980
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

647
00:29:50.039 --> 00:29:51.779
It's like, there's slits in the side.

648
00:29:51.839 --> 00:29:52.440
Did you notice?

649
00:29:52.500 --> 00:29:54.119
You can see the dots going in.

650
00:29:54.180 --> 00:29:55.619
I wasn't looking at the side over.

651
00:29:57.119 --> 00:30:00.839
Oh, look, Dax is so great at this point as well.

652
00:30:00.900 --> 00:30:03.660
She goes, I prescribe a strict regime of exercise, starting

653
00:30:03.660 --> 00:30:04.980
immediately, all right?

654
00:30:04.980 --> 00:30:07.619
Get in there with Malco and start exercising.

655
00:30:07.680 --> 00:30:08.339
Well, no.

656
00:30:08.339 --> 00:30:10.799
He's got to give her essential massage, isn't he?

657
00:30:11.519 --> 00:30:13.019
You know what?

658
00:30:13.019 --> 00:30:14.220
Like, they're fucking...

659
00:30:14.220 --> 00:30:15.000
I thought the pair of them.

660
00:30:15.059 --> 00:30:16.140
Why wouldn't you show them off?

661
00:30:16.200 --> 00:30:17.279
They're so beautiful.

662
00:30:17.819 --> 00:30:23.579
But they're, like, they're not there to be objectified by the male

663
00:30:23.579 --> 00:30:24.240
audience.

664
00:30:24.299 --> 00:30:28.559
They're there to, you know, have fun with the holographic guys.

665
00:30:28.619 --> 00:30:29.579
I think that's really great.

666
00:30:29.640 --> 00:30:31.259
Oh, I speak like that a lot.

667
00:30:31.259 --> 00:30:35.099
Off the budget of this episode went on the extras. are so many

668
00:30:35.099 --> 00:30:36.599
people in this episode.

669
00:30:36.720 --> 00:30:37.740
Yeah.

670
00:30:37.799 --> 00:30:38.579
Well, that's it.

671
00:30:38.640 --> 00:30:41.880
Again, they're establishing this space. like the promenade, you

672
00:30:41.880 --> 00:30:42.119
know.

673
00:30:42.180 --> 00:30:46.140
That Bolian man, he didn't have to open up his shop there.

674
00:30:46.200 --> 00:30:47.819
I wasn't needed, you know?

675
00:30:48.000 --> 00:30:50.819
But remember, it's a space mode.

676
00:30:50.880 --> 00:30:52.319
Like, and here's a reprimat.

677
00:30:52.380 --> 00:30:54.539
I love this scene so much.

678
00:30:54.599 --> 00:30:57.660
So it's Odo and Garak having breakfast together.

679
00:30:57.720 --> 00:31:02.460
He goes, yes, I can drink the liquid, reabsorb it, and then fill

680
00:31:02.460 --> 00:31:03.299
the cup up.

681
00:31:04.200 --> 00:31:07.500
Garak just goes, how thoughtful of you.

682
00:31:10.140 --> 00:31:14.099
It's kind of gross, actually, when you see the cup filling up

683
00:31:14.099 --> 00:31:14.279
again.

684
00:31:16.980 --> 00:31:20.819
Oh, the illusion of sharing the dining experience.

685
00:31:20.880 --> 00:31:21.839
There we go.

686
00:31:21.960 --> 00:31:25.740
Actually, they're setting up him there for series 5 when he's a

687
00:31:25.740 --> 00:31:26.039
solid.

688
00:31:26.099 --> 00:31:28.200
He'll be eating for real then.

689
00:31:28.259 --> 00:31:28.799
Yeah.

690
00:31:28.799 --> 00:31:29.579
Yeah.

691
00:31:29.700 --> 00:31:31.980
Ah, Cardassia sealing up the borders.

692
00:31:32.039 --> 00:31:34.799
So we're having all these dialogue scenes, but it is establishing

693
00:31:34.799 --> 00:31:35.099
everything.

694
00:31:35.339 --> 00:31:38.460
Yes, so that's the way this is done.

695
00:31:38.519 --> 00:31:40.859
I mean, Star Trek very frequently will do.

696
00:31:40.920 --> 00:31:42.059
Even in TNG.

697
00:31:42.119 --> 00:31:46.140
They'll do an interpersonal thing, and then they'll interleave

698
00:31:46.140 --> 00:31:49.380
that in the same scene with them doing a technical space thing in

699
00:31:49.380 --> 00:31:49.859
the same thing.

700
00:31:49.920 --> 00:31:53.700
Here, we have that little cute character opening thing.

701
00:31:53.759 --> 00:31:57.059
This is establishing something that happened last season, weren't

702
00:31:57.059 --> 00:32:00.960
Odo and Garrett going to have breakfast together at some point. at

703
00:32:00.960 --> 00:32:03.660
the end of the 2 par where he tortures him and he goes, you know

704
00:32:03.660 --> 00:32:05.039
he goes, my comfortable.

705
00:32:05.099 --> 00:32:06.779
I don't believe you have breakfast.

706
00:32:06.839 --> 00:32:10.259
He goes, I don't, but let's have something anyway. what they're

707
00:32:10.259 --> 00:32:10.740
saying is doing.

708
00:32:10.799 --> 00:32:14.640
Then it establishes Cardassia, then it establishes that the

709
00:32:14.640 --> 00:32:17.460
Klingons are a problem as well. this line.

710
00:32:17.519 --> 00:32:21.119
Actually, I don't think Constable Odo has a mother.

711
00:32:23.279 --> 00:32:25.140
What did he say?

712
00:32:25.200 --> 00:32:26.400
I mean, I can guess.

713
00:32:26.460 --> 00:32:29.460
I actually meant to screenshot it and find out.

714
00:32:29.519 --> 00:32:33.240
Someone knows enough Klingon to be able to translate that for sure

715
00:32:33.299 --> 00:32:35.220
your research for this is deeper.

716
00:32:35.279 --> 00:32:36.660
It doesn't go that deep though, does it?

717
00:32:36.720 --> 00:32:37.980
Yeah, yeah.

718
00:32:38.039 --> 00:32:39.119
No, I did think about it.

719
00:32:39.180 --> 00:32:40.019
I did think about it.

720
00:32:40.079 --> 00:32:46.259
So this guy, we had Hot Klingon last week on Star Trek five, and

721
00:32:46.259 --> 00:32:48.180
this guy is also, he's 23.

722
00:32:48.420 --> 00:32:49.980
He's younger than me.

723
00:32:50.039 --> 00:32:51.359
He was born in 72.

724
00:32:51.480 --> 00:32:54.299
Every time they bring in these sort of 20 something Klingons.

725
00:32:54.359 --> 00:32:55.859
Remember it looking for Palm Mark.

726
00:32:55.920 --> 00:32:57.000
They're always hot.

727
00:32:57.059 --> 00:32:57.839
Hell, aren't they?

728
00:32:57.900 --> 00:32:59.220
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

729
00:32:59.279 --> 00:32:59.579
Yeah.

730
00:32:59.640 --> 00:33:02.940
I mean, can I be on the car, please, for that day, right?

731
00:33:03.000 --> 00:33:04.380
Bring them all in.

732
00:33:04.440 --> 00:33:05.640
Oh, jeez, which one?

733
00:33:05.700 --> 00:33:08.160
Say that Klingonline, but with your shirt off.

734
00:33:08.279 --> 00:33:10.500
Oh, Garak goes.

735
00:33:10.559 --> 00:33:13.200
I didn't know you knew about that. amazing what you learn when

736
00:33:13.200 --> 00:33:14.640
you're doing alterations, you know?

737
00:33:14.700 --> 00:33:17.759
Which comes in later, obviously.

738
00:33:17.819 --> 00:33:19.500
Can I do this line, please?

739
00:33:19.920 --> 00:33:21.839
Well, let me guess.

740
00:33:21.900 --> 00:33:25.980
You're either last or desperately searching for a good tailor.

741
00:33:26.880 --> 00:33:32.099
I kind of wish that Roll D Moore had been here for this, though.

742
00:33:32.160 --> 00:33:35.039
I think he could have he could have punched those lines up a

743
00:33:35.039 --> 00:33:35.460
little bit.

744
00:33:35.579 --> 00:33:38.039
Oh, come on, the bit in a 2nd where he goes, what is it?

745
00:33:38.099 --> 00:33:39.180
fractured your clavicle.

746
00:33:39.240 --> 00:33:43.500
Yes, but I got off several cutting remarks that did no end of

747
00:33:43.500 --> 00:33:44.819
damage to their egos.

748
00:33:45.240 --> 00:33:48.539
I'm a big fan of the punching the camera.

749
00:33:48.599 --> 00:33:52.619
You know, like going out of a scene by punching the camera, which

750
00:33:52.619 --> 00:33:55.380
we had Drex due then when he's punching.

751
00:33:55.440 --> 00:33:56.160
It was Garrett Garrett.

752
00:33:56.220 --> 00:33:58.799
Again, wasn't it, in Purgatory Shadow.

753
00:33:58.859 --> 00:34:01.619
Do you remember the gematar punched in the face with a gun?

754
00:34:01.680 --> 00:34:02.819
Yeah.

755
00:34:02.880 --> 00:34:05.940
Oh, I just love Garak so much.

756
00:34:06.000 --> 00:34:09.119
I mean, he just elevates any scene, doesn't he, Andrew Robinson?

757
00:34:09.179 --> 00:34:10.860
He's so good.

758
00:34:10.920 --> 00:34:11.880
He's so great.

759
00:34:11.940 --> 00:34:13.800
But again, what's happening here?

760
00:34:13.860 --> 00:34:19.260
I guess we're still just speculating about what the Klingons are

761
00:34:19.260 --> 00:34:19.500
doing.

762
00:34:19.559 --> 00:34:22.800
But each scene has something about the Klingons.

763
00:34:22.860 --> 00:34:23.940
So none of those scenes.

764
00:34:24.000 --> 00:34:28.800
The bath the bath scene is a character staff.

765
00:34:28.860 --> 00:34:30.059
It is character things.

766
00:34:30.119 --> 00:34:31.079
And that's the other thing too.

767
00:34:31.139 --> 00:34:34.800
If this is a 2nd pilot, we need to establish all of characters in

768
00:34:34.800 --> 00:34:35.519
their relationships.

769
00:34:35.579 --> 00:34:39.719
I think that's the reason for the Odo drinking thing.

770
00:34:39.780 --> 00:34:41.579
You know, why else is that?

771
00:34:41.639 --> 00:34:43.559
Well, let's establish, though, these are changing.

772
00:34:43.619 --> 00:34:45.059
Then he says that, doesn't it?

773
00:34:45.119 --> 00:34:51.420
Um, that, uh, it could be a racist attack because, uh, those are

774
00:34:51.420 --> 00:34:51.659
changing.

775
00:34:51.719 --> 00:34:53.099
So why the hell would they come after me?

776
00:34:53.159 --> 00:34:58.139
But they mentioned the Batreca nebula incident. what's that I

777
00:34:58.139 --> 00:34:58.559
don't know.

778
00:34:58.619 --> 00:35:01.619
I don't think it's from anything else, but it's a long time ago

779
00:35:01.619 --> 00:35:02.039
they say.

780
00:35:02.099 --> 00:35:06.539
So, uh, so again, it's just questioning what the Klingons are

781
00:35:06.539 --> 00:35:06.719
doing.

782
00:35:06.840 --> 00:35:09.780
Oh, I love this, the fact that the Klingons are cloaking and

783
00:35:09.780 --> 00:35:10.619
uncloaking.

784
00:35:10.679 --> 00:35:12.719
So you can't count how many of them are.

785
00:35:12.840 --> 00:35:17.639
So it's like, well, why are they being so evasive if they're here

786
00:35:17.639 --> 00:35:18.840
and they're here to support us?

787
00:35:19.320 --> 00:35:23.159
Yeah, no, but they know that the Federation aren't going to like

788
00:35:23.159 --> 00:35:25.619
what they're doing and they know that what they're doing is

789
00:35:25.619 --> 00:35:26.159
illegal.

790
00:35:26.219 --> 00:35:32.880
I mean, I always love sort of the investigation angle of this.

791
00:35:32.940 --> 00:35:36.179
So all the stuff about them learning that they're going to

792
00:35:36.179 --> 00:35:37.559
Cardassia in this episode.

793
00:35:37.619 --> 00:35:38.280
I love it.

794
00:35:38.400 --> 00:35:40.920
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

795
00:35:40.980 --> 00:35:41.400
Yeah.

796
00:35:41.460 --> 00:35:44.280
I mean, we have done a bit of shifting.

797
00:35:44.340 --> 00:35:49.380
In, um, improbable cause and, uh, the Diet's cars.

798
00:35:49.440 --> 00:35:52.559
Obviously, they try to blow up the Changeling planet, didn't

799
00:35:52.559 --> 00:35:52.739
they?

800
00:35:52.800 --> 00:35:57.480
It was a Tao Shiar and the obsidian order.

801
00:35:57.539 --> 00:35:57.719
Yeah.

802
00:35:57.780 --> 00:35:59.880
So we have sort of done a bit of this before.

803
00:35:59.940 --> 00:36:02.219
It just feels bigger. somehow.

804
00:36:02.280 --> 00:36:04.260
Well, I think because it's the Klingons.

805
00:36:04.320 --> 00:36:08.460
I think just because of the weight that we gave the Klingon

806
00:36:08.460 --> 00:36:14.039
Federation relationship, firstly, uh, in the character of Wharf

807
00:36:14.039 --> 00:36:18.659
but more generally in TNG, Cisco, right, so this guy...

808
00:36:18.659 --> 00:36:21.539
It just looks more threatening Cisco, doesn't he now?

809
00:36:21.599 --> 00:36:22.860
Yeah, just more powerful.

810
00:36:23.820 --> 00:36:30.000
Um, so this guy, this is his 1st outing is a Klingon, uh, but he

811
00:36:30.000 --> 00:36:33.300
will turn up in an episode, he'll turn up in unexpected.

812
00:36:33.360 --> 00:36:38.280
The Enterprise trip gets pregnant episode as a Klingon.

813
00:36:38.340 --> 00:36:41.219
And he's also in think tank.

814
00:36:41.280 --> 00:36:42.539
Voyager's thinking.

815
00:36:42.599 --> 00:36:43.800
That's pretty mid as well.

816
00:36:43.860 --> 00:36:46.500
Yeah, yeah, as another alien.

817
00:36:46.559 --> 00:36:49.079
But this is his 1st go, I think.

818
00:36:49.139 --> 00:36:51.780
So they're now flouting Bajoran rules.

819
00:36:51.840 --> 00:36:56.940
They are flouting federation rules by taking what are they doing?

820
00:36:57.000 --> 00:37:00.360
They're searching everything for... suggesting illegal search, you

821
00:37:00.360 --> 00:37:02.400
know, like forcing people to submit to searches.

822
00:37:02.460 --> 00:37:05.880
And it's not boring, so characteristic, right?

823
00:37:05.940 --> 00:37:08.820
for the Klingons to sort of swagger like this.

824
00:37:08.940 --> 00:37:13.019
Yeah, yeah, yeah, but them being told is illegal and then

825
00:37:13.019 --> 00:37:16.019
proceeding to do it anyway. is the thing.

826
00:37:16.079 --> 00:37:19.380
There's this sort of rumbling thing of like, okay, at what point

827
00:37:19.380 --> 00:37:21.539
then does the Federation say enough?

828
00:37:21.599 --> 00:37:24.480
Well, here he's finding a warning shot.

829
00:37:24.539 --> 00:37:27.179
You know, like, so it's that's becoming a thing.

830
00:37:27.239 --> 00:37:29.699
Oh, you see Dax's face.

831
00:37:29.760 --> 00:37:32.039
Yes, Commander Kbar, I would like to talk to you now.

832
00:37:32.099 --> 00:37:32.519
Yes.

833
00:37:33.179 --> 00:37:36.239
What the fuck are you doing shooing at me?

834
00:37:37.019 --> 00:37:40.559
It's outrageous, yes, it is outrageous.

835
00:37:40.619 --> 00:37:45.840
You're right, but it's hard to tell whether he means you're your

836
00:37:45.840 --> 00:37:47.099
behaviour is outrageous.

837
00:37:47.159 --> 00:37:49.920
Couldn't he have had some comedy line. you know, we've been

838
00:37:49.920 --> 00:37:52.679
informed, you know, that the commander of the Zosa is somebody

839
00:37:52.679 --> 00:37:53.880
that you're having it off with.

840
00:37:54.420 --> 00:37:56.820
Could that be why you're interested?

841
00:37:56.880 --> 00:37:58.199
Captain Sisco.

842
00:37:59.099 --> 00:38:03.179
Oh, this is his 1st episode as Captain Cisco as well, wasn't it?

843
00:38:03.239 --> 00:38:05.400
The adversary was where he got his promotion.

844
00:38:05.519 --> 00:38:07.139
Oh, okay. yep.

845
00:38:07.199 --> 00:38:07.980
Yeah there you go.

846
00:38:08.039 --> 00:38:09.539
So again, they're relaunching it.

847
00:38:09.599 --> 00:38:10.679
He's Captain Cisco.

848
00:38:10.739 --> 00:38:12.659
Yeah, which he should always have been.

849
00:38:12.840 --> 00:38:14.519
Look at Penny.

850
00:38:14.579 --> 00:38:16.920
She fills that screen with grace and beauty.

851
00:38:16.980 --> 00:38:20.340
That tiny, tiny television on the defiance.

852
00:38:21.000 --> 00:38:23.699
It's a small ship, all right?

853
00:38:23.760 --> 00:38:26.280
But I have a TV bigger than that.

854
00:38:26.340 --> 00:38:29.340
That is literally an episode called One Little Ship, all right?

855
00:38:29.400 --> 00:38:30.119
is a small ship.

856
00:38:30.840 --> 00:38:33.300
Actually, that's the runabout in that one.

857
00:38:33.360 --> 00:38:35.039
Yeah, that's true.

858
00:38:35.099 --> 00:38:39.480
Look, see, now, you remember how Pike and what was his

859
00:38:39.480 --> 00:38:40.800
girlfriend's name?

860
00:38:40.860 --> 00:38:43.440
Pike, his girlfriend in Stone Street?

861
00:38:43.500 --> 00:38:45.179
Do you remember he was a bit embarrassed when they were singing

862
00:38:45.179 --> 00:38:47.159
about their relationship over the view screen?

863
00:38:47.219 --> 00:38:48.239
Cisco, don't care.

864
00:38:48.300 --> 00:38:49.619
Cisco's chill.

865
00:38:49.679 --> 00:38:52.500
I'll make you, I'll be, I'll see you in 2 weeks and we'll have a

866
00:38:52.500 --> 00:38:53.219
good time, all right?

867
00:38:55.559 --> 00:38:57.900
I mean, even look at this, right?

868
00:38:57.960 --> 00:39:01.019
I know this is still sedate camera work, but it started off at the

869
00:39:01.019 --> 00:39:03.840
other side of the room and it's just gently going in towards

870
00:39:03.840 --> 00:39:04.320
them.

871
00:39:04.380 --> 00:39:07.019
Like normally they're just stationary shots.

872
00:39:07.260 --> 00:39:12.239
Well, again, what I said about the sets, you know, like I know

873
00:39:12.239 --> 00:39:13.980
that sounds trivial.

874
00:39:14.039 --> 00:39:15.179
I mean, it sounds true.

875
00:39:15.300 --> 00:39:16.800
Not for 90s track, it's not.

876
00:39:16.860 --> 00:39:19.199
No, this is good too.

877
00:39:19.260 --> 00:39:23.340
I mean, I don't think we needed this explain to us, but I'm glad

878
00:39:23.340 --> 00:39:23.820
that we did.

879
00:39:23.880 --> 00:39:27.659
And I didn't quite get what the deal was.

880
00:39:27.719 --> 00:39:31.739
So that's not he was forced to kill himself or he was forced to

881
00:39:31.739 --> 00:39:33.059
kill himself or he was executed.

882
00:39:33.119 --> 00:39:35.159
Like, that's pretty great.

883
00:39:35.519 --> 00:39:37.559
And he was executed.

884
00:39:37.679 --> 00:39:44.039
He was executed not for... doing the thing, not for doing the

885
00:39:44.039 --> 00:39:51.480
searches, but for standing down when he was threatened by Cisco.

886
00:39:51.539 --> 00:39:56.940
Like he was, he was executed, but not disobeying Bajoran law.

887
00:39:57.059 --> 00:39:59.820
And they've just gone outside Bajoran space and they're just doing

888
00:39:59.820 --> 00:40:01.739
it to people who are coming and going anyway.

889
00:40:01.800 --> 00:40:02.760
It hasn't stopped.

890
00:40:02.820 --> 00:40:04.380
So over the top, the Klingons.

891
00:40:04.440 --> 00:40:05.340
I mean that's so severe.

892
00:40:05.400 --> 00:40:06.000
Yeah, right?

893
00:40:06.059 --> 00:40:07.559
What a drama queen.

894
00:40:07.619 --> 00:40:11.579
But it's like that's a huge deal.

895
00:40:11.639 --> 00:40:12.300
That a huge deal.

896
00:40:12.360 --> 00:40:13.739
Okay, that's cheesy.

897
00:40:13.800 --> 00:40:14.880
I know, but look at that.

898
00:40:14.940 --> 00:40:16.260
I love those knives.

899
00:40:16.320 --> 00:40:17.579
Look at the size of that thing.

900
00:40:18.000 --> 00:40:21.480
Man, oh, Matt, the only person that couldn't deal with the

901
00:40:21.480 --> 00:40:23.159
Klingons is a Klingon.

902
00:40:23.699 --> 00:40:27.960
And now everyone watching is tuning in for Michael, and so we know

903
00:40:27.960 --> 00:40:29.039
that Michael's coming now.

904
00:40:29.099 --> 00:40:30.539
He gets a wonderful shot though.

905
00:40:30.599 --> 00:40:31.800
How it pans up his legs.

906
00:40:31.860 --> 00:40:32.880
Yes, you know.

907
00:40:32.940 --> 00:40:34.139
It's a proper here it is.

908
00:40:34.260 --> 00:40:35.099
It's great, isn't it?

909
00:40:35.159 --> 00:40:36.000
polished his boots.

910
00:40:36.059 --> 00:40:38.519
He absolutely, yeah.

911
00:40:38.579 --> 00:40:39.840
It doesn't surprise me, you know.

912
00:40:39.900 --> 00:40:41.099
Woo.

913
00:40:41.099 --> 00:40:42.659
It's warm.

914
00:40:42.719 --> 00:40:46.380
Yeah, and he's in that saggy fucking TNG outfit.

915
00:40:46.440 --> 00:40:48.900
Oh, I love the fact as well.

916
00:40:48.900 --> 00:40:51.179
Obviously him and O'Brien have got.

917
00:40:51.239 --> 00:40:55.199
You know, do you remember we did the Image in the Sand where

918
00:40:55.199 --> 00:40:57.480
O'Brien was going around after he lost stacks.

919
00:40:57.539 --> 00:41:00.179
He was turning up on it at his house with bloody beer and saying

920
00:41:00.179 --> 00:41:01.800
right, come on, we're going to talk this through.

921
00:41:01.860 --> 00:41:05.340
That's a nice relationship Yeah, I think so too.

922
00:41:05.400 --> 00:41:07.800
And of course, they're not going to ignore it on this show because

923
00:41:07.800 --> 00:41:10.739
this show is all about trying to work out what we can do with the

924
00:41:10.739 --> 00:41:11.400
characters.

925
00:41:11.460 --> 00:41:14.880
And so this scene, which introduces Wharf and it doesn't happen

926
00:41:14.880 --> 00:41:18.659
until more than halfway through that 1st half of the episode, you

927
00:41:18.659 --> 00:41:24.119
know, 25 minutes in, is now establishing Wharf's new backstory.

928
00:41:24.539 --> 00:41:29.699
It's so interesting, the dynamic he has with Avery compared to the

929
00:41:29.699 --> 00:41:34.079
dynamic he had with Patrick Stewart because Wolf could be a bit of

930
00:41:34.079 --> 00:41:36.719
a drama queen on the Enterprise and shower.

931
00:41:36.780 --> 00:41:41.400
He never really raises his voice to Avery in the entire 4 years.

932
00:41:41.460 --> 00:41:45.719
Like, he comes in deferentially, Michael, I think, and it's a good

933
00:41:45.719 --> 00:41:46.079
choice.

934
00:41:46.679 --> 00:41:50.760
Yeah, well, I think the thing that they've discovered about Worf

935
00:41:50.760 --> 00:41:55.800
is that one of the things is he is a very, very good Starfleet

936
00:41:55.800 --> 00:41:59.820
officer, and being a Starfleet officer is very, very important to

937
00:41:59.820 --> 00:42:04.679
him, and that's because that's the place that he's found to belong

938
00:42:04.679 --> 00:42:10.800
because he doesn't really belong just on earth among humans

939
00:42:10.800 --> 00:42:12.539
despite being brought up with them.

940
00:42:12.599 --> 00:42:14.400
He doesn't belong with Klingons.

941
00:42:14.639 --> 00:42:18.360
And all of this talk now is about belonging.

942
00:42:18.420 --> 00:42:19.139
Where do I belong?

943
00:42:19.199 --> 00:42:23.219
And so this episode gives him somewhere new to belong.

944
00:42:23.280 --> 00:42:27.840
I love the bit, which ties it into emissary where Cisco says, you

945
00:42:27.840 --> 00:42:28.920
know, when I 1st came here.

946
00:42:28.980 --> 00:42:31.139
I didn't feel like I belonged here.

947
00:42:31.199 --> 00:42:35.639
I wanted to take the uniform, wrap my pain up in it and just toss

948
00:42:35.639 --> 00:42:36.179
it away.

949
00:42:36.239 --> 00:42:37.679
And we've been for all of that, right?

950
00:42:37.739 --> 00:42:38.760
Yeah, yeah.

951
00:42:38.760 --> 00:42:39.960
Yeah, really.

952
00:42:40.800 --> 00:42:42.719
And it's 2 men having this conversation.

953
00:42:42.780 --> 00:42:43.679
Yep.

954
00:42:43.739 --> 00:42:47.099
It's actually, it doesn't, didn't strike me at the time, but

955
00:42:47.099 --> 00:42:54.599
having, making Cisco disclose that to wharf, um, so early on, I

956
00:42:54.599 --> 00:42:56.219
think, is is pretty telling.

957
00:42:56.280 --> 00:42:58.199
The other thing they were...

958
00:42:58.199 --> 00:43:00.599
And it took them far too long to realise.

959
00:43:00.659 --> 00:43:03.059
The other thing they learned was that Michael Dorney is a really

960
00:43:03.059 --> 00:43:03.599
good actor.

961
00:43:03.659 --> 00:43:07.920
And they, you know, finally gave him material that was worthy of

962
00:43:07.920 --> 00:43:08.280
him.

963
00:43:08.340 --> 00:43:12.360
But you watch him in the early TNG, where he's just growling and

964
00:43:12.360 --> 00:43:14.639
snarling and it's like, what's going on?

965
00:43:14.699 --> 00:43:15.960
Yeah, they don't know what to do with him.

966
00:43:16.019 --> 00:43:17.219
They don't know what to do with him.

967
00:43:17.280 --> 00:43:19.380
And some fish out of water comedy and stuff.

968
00:43:19.440 --> 00:43:21.480
That works really well and particularly for a character who

969
00:43:21.480 --> 00:43:23.579
doesn't belong if you're going to do comedy.

970
00:43:23.639 --> 00:43:26.460
The comedy is him, you know, fish out of water and that's fine.

971
00:43:26.519 --> 00:43:29.340
I think that's consistent with the character and it's properly

972
00:43:29.340 --> 00:43:31.320
funny and Michael does it really well.

973
00:43:31.380 --> 00:43:33.300
Just love seeing Sin Quark.

974
00:43:33.420 --> 00:43:35.519
I love the rowdiness of it.

975
00:43:35.579 --> 00:43:38.699
I love the lighting ink walks, the ambiance.

976
00:43:38.760 --> 00:43:41.400
And the fact that Arman Shimman is there with a witty line.

977
00:43:41.460 --> 00:43:42.599
It's great.

978
00:43:42.780 --> 00:43:44.280
I just love him.

979
00:43:44.340 --> 00:43:48.179
I just love him laughing at dumb...

980
00:43:48.239 --> 00:43:50.039
So much continuity here, isn't it?

981
00:43:50.099 --> 00:43:51.300
Like so many references.

982
00:43:51.420 --> 00:43:52.739
Yeah.

983
00:43:53.219 --> 00:44:00.480
Yeah, because I mean, if they're trying to get the TNG audience

984
00:44:00.480 --> 00:44:03.179
back, do you know what I mean?

985
00:44:03.239 --> 00:44:05.099
Like that's clearly what they're doing, isn't it?

986
00:44:05.159 --> 00:44:06.360
We've got Voyager now.

987
00:44:06.420 --> 00:44:07.860
Not playing poker, are we?

988
00:44:07.920 --> 00:44:08.639
It's dolls.

989
00:44:08.699 --> 00:44:11.219
Oh, and a wolf goes, No, no, you're all right.

990
00:44:11.280 --> 00:44:12.599
I'd rather not.

991
00:44:13.860 --> 00:44:18.000
I mean, like again, it's character as well.

992
00:44:18.119 --> 00:44:19.260
Do you know what I mean?

993
00:44:19.320 --> 00:44:21.360
Like there's some suppressed anger.

994
00:44:21.420 --> 00:44:24.780
Jesus.

995
00:44:24.960 --> 00:44:26.280
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

996
00:44:26.340 --> 00:44:28.139
And it's buried in the ball.

997
00:44:28.199 --> 00:44:29.219
The board's broken.

998
00:44:29.280 --> 00:44:30.179
Oh, here we go.

999
00:44:30.659 --> 00:44:33.300
This is so funny.

1000
00:44:33.360 --> 00:44:35.280
She knocks out Lancelot.

1001
00:44:35.340 --> 00:44:37.679
She kissed me.

1002
00:44:39.179 --> 00:44:41.340
It's so funny.

1003
00:44:41.400 --> 00:44:45.659
It's so wonderful and this is how we introduce those characters to

1004
00:44:45.659 --> 00:44:46.139
watch.

1005
00:44:46.559 --> 00:44:47.880
This is Major Care and Areth.

1006
00:44:47.880 --> 00:44:49.619
Oh, 1st officer.

1007
00:44:49.679 --> 00:44:50.039
Yes.

1008
00:44:50.099 --> 00:44:51.179
Nice hut.

1009
00:44:51.239 --> 00:44:51.599
Yes.

1010
00:44:53.099 --> 00:44:54.900
She's dying.

1011
00:44:55.320 --> 00:44:59.760
She just realises she's wearing the hat and now she's struggling.

1012
00:44:59.880 --> 00:45:02.219
She's covered in layers of silk, bless her.

1013
00:45:03.539 --> 00:45:06.239
I don't usually dress like this.

1014
00:45:06.300 --> 00:45:09.420
She goes, you know, like, oh, bless.

1015
00:45:09.480 --> 00:45:11.760
Oh, look at how Dax looks at him.

1016
00:45:11.880 --> 00:45:12.239
Right.

1017
00:45:12.300 --> 00:45:14.519
From the off, she wants wolves.

1018
00:45:14.579 --> 00:45:16.380
Oh, absolutely.

1019
00:45:16.440 --> 00:45:18.000
Well, what does she say to him?

1020
00:45:18.059 --> 00:45:19.980
What does she say to him?

1021
00:45:20.039 --> 00:45:23.400
And then he goes, yes, I guess so.

1022
00:45:23.460 --> 00:45:26.519
And or something, like everyone's looking.

1023
00:45:26.579 --> 00:45:27.179
Yeah, yeah.

1024
00:45:27.239 --> 00:45:28.860
I don't know what that he's saying.

1025
00:45:28.920 --> 00:45:31.440
I mean, that could be any kind of flirtatious line, couldn't it?

1026
00:45:31.739 --> 00:45:35.820
So they must have intended at some point that they would get the 2

1027
00:45:35.820 --> 00:45:36.659
of them together.

1028
00:45:36.719 --> 00:45:38.940
It's very early that they realised that they were going to do it.

1029
00:45:39.000 --> 00:45:41.940
It's in the Sons of Mogue and there's a scene where they're in a

1030
00:45:41.940 --> 00:45:45.780
holodeck fighting each other and they were like, God, this is so

1031
00:45:45.780 --> 00:45:46.079
hot.

1032
00:45:46.139 --> 00:45:46.920
What are we doing?

1033
00:45:46.980 --> 00:45:48.420
Let's get them together quick.

1034
00:45:48.539 --> 00:45:52.380
But there's a scene here in this episode about that as well.

1035
00:45:52.440 --> 00:45:56.579
And just the way that she looks at him in the way that she flirts

1036
00:45:56.579 --> 00:45:58.019
with him in that opening scene.

1037
00:45:58.079 --> 00:46:01.440
Doesn't she say, what, don't go easy on me or something?

1038
00:46:03.840 --> 00:46:07.980
Oh, I love this where he goes, you are Drake, son of Martok, and

1039
00:46:07.980 --> 00:46:09.480
then just punches him in the face.

1040
00:46:12.119 --> 00:46:14.159
Oh, boy.

1041
00:46:14.159 --> 00:46:19.139
Here's the snarl from early TNG.

1042
00:46:19.199 --> 00:46:22.920
And we've got Dak saying he's good with our arms folded.

1043
00:46:22.980 --> 00:46:24.480
So that's our crown.

1044
00:46:24.539 --> 00:46:26.280
Well, yes.

1045
00:46:26.340 --> 00:46:29.579
But she's looking at him in this sort of lascivious way.

1046
00:46:29.639 --> 00:46:30.659
When she says he's good.

1047
00:46:30.719 --> 00:46:32.159
She doesn't just mean he's a good officer.

1048
00:46:32.219 --> 00:46:33.599
Like she thinks he's not.

1049
00:46:33.599 --> 00:46:34.440
That's right away.

1050
00:46:34.500 --> 00:46:35.760
Accepting wharf there.

1051
00:46:35.820 --> 00:46:36.659
Like immediately.

1052
00:46:36.780 --> 00:46:37.500
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1053
00:46:37.500 --> 00:46:39.780
You know, there's no there's no sort of pushback against him.

1054
00:46:39.840 --> 00:46:44.280
In fact, throughout four, the avenue they go down is wharf can't

1055
00:46:44.280 --> 00:46:45.480
quite settle on DS9.

1056
00:46:45.719 --> 00:46:47.460
That's why it moves on to Defiant.

1057
00:46:47.519 --> 00:46:51.119
That's why he strikes like that great friendship with Odo, you

1058
00:46:51.119 --> 00:46:54.960
know, and please don't invite people around. you know, no, that

1059
00:46:54.960 --> 00:46:57.659
will only invite subsequent visits, you know?

1060
00:46:57.719 --> 00:46:58.679
They're great.

1061
00:47:00.780 --> 00:47:02.820
Oh boy.

1062
00:47:02.880 --> 00:47:03.960
Okay.

1063
00:47:03.960 --> 00:47:04.500
Yeah.

1064
00:47:04.559 --> 00:47:08.219
And so what here he's trying to find out, he's doing his

1065
00:47:08.219 --> 00:47:09.000
investigation.

1066
00:47:09.059 --> 00:47:12.179
So he's been introduced, he's spoken to all of the main characters

1067
00:47:12.179 --> 00:47:13.199
he's met everyone.

1068
00:47:13.260 --> 00:47:15.539
Wolf was being a bit of a bitch there.

1069
00:47:15.599 --> 00:47:16.139
Did you notice?

1070
00:47:16.199 --> 00:47:21.420
He goes, you cannot rob something that someone does not have. his

1071
00:47:21.420 --> 00:47:21.900
honour.

1072
00:47:21.960 --> 00:47:22.800
His son's honour.

1073
00:47:22.860 --> 00:47:24.719
He's mean his son.

1074
00:47:24.780 --> 00:47:25.739
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1075
00:47:25.800 --> 00:47:26.400
Yeah.

1076
00:47:26.460 --> 00:47:29.340
But he's he's angry again.

1077
00:47:29.400 --> 00:47:30.000
Do you know what I mean?

1078
00:47:30.059 --> 00:47:35.219
Because he's a good man who wants to do the right thing.

1079
00:47:35.280 --> 00:47:39.719
You know, these are breaking treaties that they've agreed to.

1080
00:47:39.840 --> 00:47:41.579
This is dishonourable behaviour.

1081
00:47:41.639 --> 00:47:44.340
This is a wonderful friendship going forward.

1082
00:47:44.400 --> 00:47:47.699
The real Martoch and Wharf in the last couple of seasons.

1083
00:47:47.760 --> 00:47:50.639
And to show what good actors they are and how you respond

1084
00:47:50.639 --> 00:47:52.380
differently to different material.

1085
00:47:52.440 --> 00:47:54.960
The dynamic is completely different later on.

1086
00:47:55.019 --> 00:47:57.179
So this, which is very adversarial.

1087
00:47:57.239 --> 00:47:57.960
Yeah, yeah.

1088
00:47:58.440 --> 00:48:01.139
Yeah, so that's a choice, isn't it?

1089
00:48:01.199 --> 00:48:04.079
They decide to retool the Martoc relationship when they bring the

1090
00:48:04.079 --> 00:48:05.039
real Martoc back.

1091
00:48:05.099 --> 00:48:08.940
Oh, that would remember that in the two-parter on the Gemadar

1092
00:48:08.940 --> 00:48:09.300
prison.

1093
00:48:09.360 --> 00:48:10.619
Oh, fabulous stuff.

1094
00:48:10.739 --> 00:48:13.559
That's again them improvising, isn't it?

1095
00:48:13.619 --> 00:48:15.119
right No, actually, we shouldn't have got rid of him.

1096
00:48:15.179 --> 00:48:16.739
Let's say it was a changeling.

1097
00:48:16.920 --> 00:48:21.239
They give him better makeup, too, when it's the real Martok, I

1098
00:48:21.239 --> 00:48:21.659
think.

1099
00:48:21.719 --> 00:48:25.920
He's not sure his scars. his teeth are always that.

1100
00:48:25.980 --> 00:48:30.000
Yeah, his teeth, he has that one big snaggle tooth all the while.

1101
00:48:30.059 --> 00:48:33.780
But it's the scars on his left cheek, which look like they just

1102
00:48:33.780 --> 00:48:36.059
bring, there's too much latex on his face.

1103
00:48:36.119 --> 00:48:36.900
Oh, I love those lies.

1104
00:48:37.019 --> 00:48:40.860
What is it, my mission while bring the fate of the entire Klingon

1105
00:48:40.860 --> 00:48:41.460
empire.

1106
00:48:41.519 --> 00:48:43.440
Jesus Christ.

1107
00:48:43.500 --> 00:48:44.880
You have.

1108
00:48:47.940 --> 00:48:50.639
Are you trying to reach the audience at the back?

1109
00:48:50.699 --> 00:48:52.019
Why don't you shout a bit louder?

1110
00:48:52.139 --> 00:48:54.480
It's terrific stuff, is it?

1111
00:48:54.599 --> 00:48:56.039
God, shit.

1112
00:48:56.099 --> 00:48:56.760
Oh, look.

1113
00:48:56.820 --> 00:48:59.880
I think that's the same costume, you know, this skeleton man and

1114
00:48:59.880 --> 00:49:01.860
the holosuite from TNG.

1115
00:49:01.920 --> 00:49:02.880
You know, they fight at that.

1116
00:49:02.940 --> 00:49:03.539
Yeah, yeah.

1117
00:49:03.599 --> 00:49:09.539
So, in reunion, I think, does he, Plankton, yeah, do this with him

1118
00:49:09.539 --> 00:49:13.440
but that is his callisthenics, it's not his program.

1119
00:49:13.500 --> 00:49:17.340
It's hers, but he's found it.

1120
00:49:17.340 --> 00:49:19.139
And this scene, holy crap.

1121
00:49:19.199 --> 00:49:24.119
I don't believe that they didn't think these 2 would get it on

1122
00:49:24.119 --> 00:49:24.659
together.

1123
00:49:24.780 --> 00:49:26.760
They've written this scene.

1124
00:49:26.820 --> 00:49:30.599
Did they know how Terry and Michael were going to play it or how

1125
00:49:30.599 --> 00:49:31.739
dare he was going to play?

1126
00:49:31.800 --> 00:49:33.239
How did you find the program?

1127
00:49:33.300 --> 00:49:34.380
It is just...

1128
00:49:34.380 --> 00:49:34.800
I found it.

1129
00:49:34.800 --> 00:49:35.699
Adequate.

1130
00:49:36.719 --> 00:49:42.840
But, but is it that Terry comes on board, like, just Michael turns

1131
00:49:42.840 --> 00:49:46.199
up and Terry is all over him from the 1st scene?

1132
00:49:46.199 --> 00:49:50.280
And then they decide that they can't, you know, they can't fight

1133
00:49:50.280 --> 00:49:51.960
against that, and that's where we're going to go.

1134
00:49:52.079 --> 00:49:53.639
And like, what was it?

1135
00:49:53.699 --> 00:49:55.800
Looking for Paul Marcus early 5, isn't it?

1136
00:49:55.860 --> 00:49:59.099
So, yeah, they're literally making those decisions now.

1137
00:49:59.159 --> 00:50:00.059
Oh man.

1138
00:50:00.119 --> 00:50:01.139
I think they must be.

1139
00:50:01.260 --> 00:50:02.460
I mean look at them fighting.

1140
00:50:02.519 --> 00:50:03.900
It must be incredible in bed.

1141
00:50:03.960 --> 00:50:05.699
I know, Jesus.

1142
00:50:05.880 --> 00:50:08.039
Oh, yeah.

1143
00:50:08.099 --> 00:50:09.840
I mean, the bad less are great.

1144
00:50:09.900 --> 00:50:13.320
I was I found myself remembering, 0 yeah, that's Foley, because

1145
00:50:13.320 --> 00:50:15.599
thinking these are hefty metal objects.

1146
00:50:15.659 --> 00:50:17.760
I can't believe they're doing this, but obviously they're not

1147
00:50:17.760 --> 00:50:18.900
hefty metal objects.

1148
00:50:19.019 --> 00:50:24.900
And, you know, stock cave set number 82 has made his appearance.

1149
00:50:24.960 --> 00:50:27.059
Yeah, it was just there.

1150
00:50:27.119 --> 00:50:30.000
And so they find a way to use the cave set.

1151
00:50:30.059 --> 00:50:32.880
They find a way to dress, you know, do the holosuite set.

1152
00:50:32.940 --> 00:50:35.880
You know, there's a lot of standing sets and they use a massive

1153
00:50:35.880 --> 00:50:39.360
variety of them and this conversation is when they're fighting.

1154
00:50:39.420 --> 00:50:41.699
There are conversations when people are being introduced to each

1155
00:50:41.699 --> 00:50:41.940
other.

1156
00:50:42.000 --> 00:50:44.940
There's conversations in the bar. there's a variety of things.

1157
00:50:45.000 --> 00:50:48.539
You don't realise that everything is just being conveyed.

1158
00:50:48.659 --> 00:50:51.840
It is all a series of conversations between 2 people. as well.

1159
00:50:51.900 --> 00:50:54.000
And it's establishing a ton of stuff too.

1160
00:50:54.059 --> 00:50:56.280
Yeah, really, really clever.

1161
00:50:56.340 --> 00:50:59.099
It's like you said, though, we've been in ops.

1162
00:50:59.159 --> 00:51:00.780
We've been on the promenade.

1163
00:51:00.840 --> 00:51:03.300
We've been in the infirmary, now we're in wharf's quarters.

1164
00:51:03.360 --> 00:51:04.739
We've been on the holo suites.

1165
00:51:04.800 --> 00:51:07.139
We've been on the defiant, like we've been everywhere.

1166
00:51:07.500 --> 00:51:14.099
Okay, so this song, we will next hear...

1167
00:51:14.219 --> 00:51:17.460
So the next time that we hear this, it will be the doctor and 7

1168
00:51:17.460 --> 00:51:18.599
singing.

1169
00:51:18.659 --> 00:51:21.420
Oh, it's so funny when they do it. yeah.

1170
00:51:21.480 --> 00:51:25.019
Oh, I don't know about singing a song and then headbutting each

1171
00:51:25.019 --> 00:51:25.860
other like that at the end.

1172
00:51:25.920 --> 00:51:27.719
So this guy.

1173
00:51:27.780 --> 00:51:37.739
So I checked this guy on IMDb, and he is famous for playing Wang

1174
00:51:37.739 --> 00:51:42.780
the Perverted in 1974's Flesh Gordon.

1175
00:51:42.900 --> 00:51:44.760
Now, when...

1176
00:51:45.179 --> 00:51:47.159
You're not serious.

1177
00:51:47.219 --> 00:51:49.860
So this came out.

1178
00:51:49.920 --> 00:51:55.500
This came out when I was when I was five. and I heard about it in

1179
00:51:55.500 --> 00:52:00.119
primary school and it's a sex comedy version of Flash.

1180
00:52:00.179 --> 00:52:00.840
Really?

1181
00:52:00.900 --> 00:52:02.519
I could never. have guessed.

1182
00:52:03.119 --> 00:52:10.800
And just for research, I did watch a scene from Flash Cord and it

1183
00:52:10.800 --> 00:52:13.139
was like...

1184
00:52:13.199 --> 00:52:18.599
So it did have Flesh and Dale, trying to escape.

1185
00:52:18.659 --> 00:52:21.420
I can't remember what the planet Mongo is called, but it's called

1186
00:52:21.420 --> 00:52:22.440
something rude.

1187
00:52:22.500 --> 00:52:23.280
I can't remember.

1188
00:52:23.340 --> 00:52:26.460
But they were being chased by the penosaurus.

1189
00:52:26.579 --> 00:52:28.199
Penosaurus.

1190
00:52:28.199 --> 00:52:28.980
Penosaurus.

1191
00:52:29.039 --> 00:52:31.619
One-eyed monster.

1192
00:52:31.619 --> 00:52:33.480
Stop.

1193
00:52:33.539 --> 00:52:35.039
Penis.

1194
00:52:35.159 --> 00:52:36.480
Oh my god.

1195
00:52:36.539 --> 00:52:38.099
Can you send me that link, please?

1196
00:52:41.159 --> 00:52:44.699
The fact that you said that flesh was running away from the penis

1197
00:52:44.699 --> 00:52:45.539
monster.

1198
00:52:46.320 --> 00:52:48.360
Hang on a minute.

1199
00:52:48.420 --> 00:52:49.320
Hang on a minute.

1200
00:52:49.380 --> 00:52:53.039
You're prepared to do your researches watching Flesh Gordon, but

1201
00:52:53.039 --> 00:52:55.500
not to check out the Klingon vocabulary.

1202
00:52:55.800 --> 00:52:57.239
No, that's true.

1203
00:52:57.300 --> 00:52:58.079
That is straight.

1204
00:52:58.199 --> 00:52:59.639
The one thing.

1205
00:52:59.699 --> 00:53:02.219
The one thing that I did think that was really shitty in that

1206
00:53:02.219 --> 00:53:02.639
scene.

1207
00:53:02.699 --> 00:53:07.380
Do you remember in, um, in the pale moonlight, where they're all

1208
00:53:07.380 --> 00:53:10.199
in the wardrobe and they're all going, if only we could think of

1209
00:53:10.199 --> 00:53:13.380
some way of getting rockets to enter the war?

1210
00:53:13.440 --> 00:53:15.659
You're going to go, oh, if only.

1211
00:53:15.719 --> 00:53:21.059
And then here, this guy, this asshole who Raka says, oh, if only

1212
00:53:21.059 --> 00:53:26.159
there was some way that I could repay the debt.

1213
00:53:26.219 --> 00:53:28.679
And Fluff goes, hmm.

1214
00:53:28.739 --> 00:53:30.300
Funny you should say that.

1215
00:53:31.199 --> 00:53:35.039
You've just had a drink, you know, so you're quite susceptible

1216
00:53:35.039 --> 00:53:35.460
right now.

1217
00:53:35.519 --> 00:53:37.320
Oh, fuck, Nathan.

1218
00:53:37.380 --> 00:53:39.900
I love this scene between Odo and Worf.

1219
00:53:39.960 --> 00:53:43.619
Odo tries to reach out to Worf here and say, I know what it's like

1220
00:53:43.619 --> 00:53:45.719
to feel like an outsider.

1221
00:53:45.780 --> 00:53:47.159
That's how I feel here as well.

1222
00:53:47.219 --> 00:53:50.099
And then when Wolf basically just slaps him away.

1223
00:53:50.159 --> 00:53:54.599
Odo goes, frankly, Mr. Wharf, I don't care whether you do it or

1224
00:53:54.599 --> 00:53:54.960
not.

1225
00:53:58.079 --> 00:54:01.139
Renee, man, you can always rely on him.

1226
00:54:01.320 --> 00:54:03.360
But this is really good.

1227
00:54:03.420 --> 00:54:05.159
I think this is great as well.

1228
00:54:05.219 --> 00:54:08.760
I think this is good because these are very similar characters

1229
00:54:08.760 --> 00:54:09.119
aren't they?

1230
00:54:09.179 --> 00:54:10.440
Yeah, oh, yeah.

1231
00:54:10.500 --> 00:54:14.760
Very prickly, yeah, and just very funny together, though.

1232
00:54:14.820 --> 00:54:17.400
Like they shouldn't be funny together, but they really are.

1233
00:54:17.460 --> 00:54:19.739
But outsiders as well.

1234
00:54:19.800 --> 00:54:21.059
You know, outsiders.

1235
00:54:21.179 --> 00:54:24.659
I had to choose between duty and my people.

1236
00:54:24.719 --> 00:54:25.920
Yeah.

1237
00:54:25.980 --> 00:54:26.639
Yeah.

1238
00:54:26.699 --> 00:54:28.380
I mean, it's a Star Trek type.

1239
00:54:28.440 --> 00:54:29.280
Do you know what I mean?

1240
00:54:29.340 --> 00:54:34.619
Like we thought in a way that he was like Data or Spock, Odo, when

1241
00:54:34.619 --> 00:54:35.820
he 1st gets introduced.

1242
00:54:35.880 --> 00:54:38.820
But really, Worf was there the whole time, wasn't he?

1243
00:54:38.880 --> 00:54:40.739
And Worf is very like spot.

1244
00:54:40.800 --> 00:54:43.260
That's referring to the search, right?

1245
00:54:43.320 --> 00:54:45.840
The 2 pirate at the start of the beginning three.

1246
00:54:45.900 --> 00:54:48.119
Like, we just don't do this in 90s trek.

1247
00:54:48.179 --> 00:54:52.019
They have revolutionised how we write 90s trek here.

1248
00:54:52.079 --> 00:54:52.920
Yeah.

1249
00:54:53.099 --> 00:54:54.480
Yeah.

1250
00:54:54.539 --> 00:54:57.900
And I think you can afford to do that because this is a soap opera

1251
00:54:57.900 --> 00:54:58.320
audience.

1252
00:54:58.380 --> 00:55:01.260
This is an audience of people who love the show, who watch every

1253
00:55:01.260 --> 00:55:03.780
episode, who know everything about everything.

1254
00:55:03.840 --> 00:55:05.219
You can afford to do that.

1255
00:55:05.460 --> 00:55:11.219
We have spent 3 seasons building up Cardassia in a way that TNG

1256
00:55:11.219 --> 00:55:11.760
never did.

1257
00:55:11.820 --> 00:55:13.800
We often had Cardassian characters coming in.

1258
00:55:13.800 --> 00:55:17.099
But, you know, they we've really explored the obsidian order and

1259
00:55:17.099 --> 00:55:20.699
the Tapa Council and Dukat and Garak.

1260
00:55:20.760 --> 00:55:23.280
And we understand what Cardassia is now.

1261
00:55:23.340 --> 00:55:26.579
So if the Klingons are going to invade, that's big.

1262
00:55:27.000 --> 00:55:30.599
So he's now discovered it and that's what he's telling.

1263
00:55:30.659 --> 00:55:34.019
That's what he's telling Cisco in this scene.

1264
00:55:34.079 --> 00:55:37.079
So this is a, you know, follow-up scene.

1265
00:55:37.079 --> 00:55:41.460
And I do like how his investigation just it happens.

1266
00:55:41.519 --> 00:55:42.599
Do you know what I mean?

1267
00:55:42.659 --> 00:55:43.860
He discovers it very quickly.

1268
00:55:43.920 --> 00:55:48.300
Odo then tells us about the investigation, which I think is really

1269
00:55:48.300 --> 00:55:48.659
really good.

1270
00:55:48.719 --> 00:55:50.760
We don't have to see the entire investigation.

1271
00:55:50.820 --> 00:55:53.099
We don't have to get the impression that it's just this one

1272
00:55:53.099 --> 00:55:56.280
conversation with a drunk old guy, but, you know, that he's been

1273
00:55:56.280 --> 00:55:58.500
doing work and so we get it described.

1274
00:55:58.559 --> 00:56:02.400
Now we get, we move from that into the backstory where they're

1275
00:56:02.400 --> 00:56:05.340
sharing each other's backstories to one another.

1276
00:56:05.519 --> 00:56:07.619
Yeah, it's wonderful.

1277
00:56:07.619 --> 00:56:08.280
It's really good.

1278
00:56:08.340 --> 00:56:13.320
And it's character, you know, just DS9's biggest strength.

1279
00:56:13.500 --> 00:56:18.239
And then the other thing too, is that this is a good jumping on

1280
00:56:18.239 --> 00:56:21.239
point, it doesn't matter that all of this is referencing stuff

1281
00:56:21.239 --> 00:56:25.679
that we've seen. we're doing it I must compliment you on your

1282
00:56:25.679 --> 00:56:27.480
intelligence network, Captain.

1283
00:56:27.539 --> 00:56:31.260
One day you must tell me how you came across this information, and

1284
00:56:31.260 --> 00:56:32.219
he looked straight at war.

1285
00:56:32.340 --> 00:56:34.320
Yeah, yeah, that's right.

1286
00:56:34.380 --> 00:56:35.760
There's 3 of them in the room.

1287
00:56:36.300 --> 00:56:38.820
A wolf goes, general.

1288
00:56:38.880 --> 00:56:40.559
Like, he's gonna try.

1289
00:56:40.619 --> 00:56:42.059
He's innocent.

1290
00:56:42.300 --> 00:56:45.539
I mean, do you remember you just said a minute ago about that sort

1291
00:56:45.539 --> 00:56:48.719
of dreadfully hamstrung sequence with them going, you know, if

1292
00:56:48.719 --> 00:56:51.000
only there was some way I could repay my debt, right?

1293
00:56:51.059 --> 00:56:51.960
So obvious.

1294
00:56:52.079 --> 00:56:56.039
And then contrast that with a bit in a minute where they don't put

1295
00:56:56.039 --> 00:56:57.300
it into dialogue at all.

1296
00:56:57.360 --> 00:57:00.480
It's like, how the hell are we going to let the Kardassians know?

1297
00:57:00.539 --> 00:57:02.760
And then you just have Garrett being summoned.

1298
00:57:02.760 --> 00:57:06.119
And it's all done just brilliantly.

1299
00:57:06.179 --> 00:57:08.159
Yeah, they're getting there.

1300
00:57:08.219 --> 00:57:09.000
They're getting there.

1301
00:57:09.059 --> 00:57:09.539
Yeah.

1302
00:57:09.599 --> 00:57:10.260
Oh, yeah, yeah.

1303
00:57:10.440 --> 00:57:13.079
On the memory alpha page.

1304
00:57:13.139 --> 00:57:17.400
It mentions that friend of the podcast, Una McCormack.

1305
00:57:17.460 --> 00:57:19.619
Um, this was her 1st episode.

1306
00:57:19.619 --> 00:57:21.960
Star Trek, what?

1307
00:57:22.019 --> 00:57:22.800
What was the juice then?

1308
00:57:22.860 --> 00:57:24.059
Yeah.

1309
00:57:24.119 --> 00:57:28.679
And she said, it's a perfect, it's a, you know, perfect jumping on

1310
00:57:28.679 --> 00:57:31.440
point, which is absolutely what it is.

1311
00:57:31.500 --> 00:57:34.920
It's positioned itself as the 2nd pilot.

1312
00:57:34.980 --> 00:57:38.039
This is a pilot, you know, friend of the podcast.

1313
00:57:38.099 --> 00:57:42.960
Tom Selinski. gave this 5 stars out of 5 and said, yeah, basically

1314
00:57:42.960 --> 00:57:45.900
this is our series two, episode one, technically.

1315
00:57:45.960 --> 00:57:47.039
Well, it is.

1316
00:57:47.159 --> 00:57:49.260
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1317
00:57:49.380 --> 00:57:51.659
I ordered his book today.

1318
00:57:51.719 --> 00:57:54.420
I was reading that book, you know, and there were some things in

1319
00:57:54.420 --> 00:57:54.659
now.

1320
00:57:54.659 --> 00:57:57.300
I'm going, that sounds a bit like Nathan Bossomley from Untitled

1321
00:57:57.300 --> 00:57:58.079
Star Trek project.

1322
00:57:58.199 --> 00:58:01.559
I wonder if he's been listening to that I did write a thing as

1323
00:58:01.559 --> 00:58:01.739
well.

1324
00:58:01.739 --> 00:58:03.539
Oh, you saw you in there, yeah.

1325
00:58:03.599 --> 00:58:04.139
Yeah.

1326
00:58:04.139 --> 00:58:05.699
I know.

1327
00:58:05.760 --> 00:58:06.420
I know him.

1328
00:58:09.539 --> 00:58:10.559
No, someone, favourite.

1329
00:58:10.619 --> 00:58:11.219
Oh my god.

1330
00:58:12.420 --> 00:58:14.099
That's it.

1331
00:58:14.159 --> 00:58:15.960
The Klingons are off to Cardassia.

1332
00:58:16.019 --> 00:58:17.519
Yeah, yeah.

1333
00:58:18.659 --> 00:58:21.360
Like, do you remember how long it chopped?

1334
00:58:21.360 --> 00:58:23.760
to get to earth in best of both worlds.

1335
00:58:23.820 --> 00:58:27.840
It was like about an hour and 15 minutes into the hour and a half

1336
00:58:27.840 --> 00:58:28.380
episode.

1337
00:58:28.440 --> 00:58:30.719
Like here, it's just moving, you know?

1338
00:58:30.780 --> 00:58:32.639
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1339
00:58:32.699 --> 00:58:34.739
But the scenes are all in the usual places.

1340
00:58:34.800 --> 00:58:38.340
I mean, best of both worlds in part one has that interpersonal

1341
00:58:38.340 --> 00:58:41.760
stuff with Shelby and stuff, which is actually interesting and

1342
00:58:41.760 --> 00:58:43.019
does give it a shot in the arm.

1343
00:58:43.079 --> 00:58:47.340
Here, we've got 5 to 10 times that amount of interpersonal stuff

1344
00:58:47.340 --> 00:58:48.780
going on at the same time.

1345
00:58:48.840 --> 00:58:49.920
The groundwork's been done.

1346
00:58:49.980 --> 00:58:51.119
That's a political thing.

1347
00:58:51.179 --> 00:58:52.199
Yeah, yeah exactly.

1348
00:58:52.260 --> 00:58:55.860
Whereas, you know, what is there to those characters in TNG?

1349
00:58:55.920 --> 00:58:56.699
I mean, really.

1350
00:58:56.760 --> 00:58:58.079
They are paper thin.

1351
00:58:58.199 --> 00:59:02.099
But, I mean, that's that's not because they're trying to do

1352
00:59:02.099 --> 00:59:03.900
complex characters and failing.

1353
00:59:03.960 --> 00:59:07.860
It's because it's a procedural and basically the focus is the

1354
00:59:07.860 --> 00:59:08.699
space problems.

1355
00:59:08.760 --> 00:59:11.340
So I love all of this as well.

1356
00:59:11.400 --> 00:59:13.380
These are my favourite scenes in DS 9.

1357
00:59:13.440 --> 00:59:15.300
When you bring together all the regulars, right?

1358
00:59:15.360 --> 00:59:18.659
And there's a dilemma, and everyone's got an opinion, and very

1359
00:59:18.659 --> 00:59:21.000
often, everybody in the room is right.

1360
00:59:21.059 --> 00:59:24.900
That's where the drama is in that there are no easy answers.

1361
00:59:24.960 --> 00:59:26.880
What they're saying is right, what they're saying is right.

1362
00:59:26.940 --> 00:59:28.019
Well, what the hell do we choose?

1363
00:59:28.079 --> 00:59:32.639
Yeah, yeah, you've got Miles here saying, what if the Klingons are

1364
00:59:32.639 --> 00:59:34.920
right about the Cardassian government and it's entirely

1365
00:59:34.920 --> 00:59:35.820
plausible?

1366
00:59:35.880 --> 00:59:37.920
Like why, why wouldn't it happen?

1367
00:59:37.980 --> 00:59:41.760
I mean, the Dominion do eventually take over Cardassia after all.

1368
00:59:41.820 --> 00:59:45.780
Klingons Wolf comes in and says the Klingons have been saying

1369
00:59:45.780 --> 00:59:48.239
we've been a piece for too long, that the empire has to expand.

1370
00:59:48.300 --> 00:59:50.880
Fear of the dominion's given them an excuse.

1371
00:59:51.119 --> 00:59:52.920
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1372
00:59:52.980 --> 00:59:56.579
But again, we've seen, you know, how sclerotic and terrible the

1373
00:59:56.579 --> 01:00:03.179
Klingon Empire is, you know, and how the treaty and stuff sort of

1374
01:00:03.179 --> 01:00:06.000
papers over a whole heap of sort of corruption and weirdness going

1375
01:00:06.000 --> 01:00:06.300
on there.

1376
01:00:06.360 --> 01:00:09.659
See, it's interesting because what Cisco just said there about

1377
01:00:09.659 --> 01:00:12.480
well, who's to say they'll stop the Cardassians, the Klingons, that

1378
01:00:12.480 --> 01:00:13.619
they'll just keep expanding.

1379
01:00:13.679 --> 01:00:15.960
Now that's the route they go down with with the Dominion.

1380
01:00:16.019 --> 01:00:19.860
By the time we get to call to arms, they're going from world to

1381
01:00:19.860 --> 01:00:24.059
world, making their own alliances like the Federation.

1382
01:00:24.059 --> 01:00:28.079
So I think they did want to do that with the Dominion here, you

1383
01:00:28.079 --> 01:00:29.519
know, those ideas are bubbling.

1384
01:00:29.880 --> 01:00:32.219
But I do like the delay.

1385
01:00:32.280 --> 01:00:35.039
I actually don't dislike the delay because I think it's

1386
01:00:35.039 --> 01:00:36.539
interesting and more complex.

1387
01:00:36.599 --> 01:00:39.840
Gives us one of the best single seasons of Star Trek.

1388
01:00:39.900 --> 01:00:41.760
I think we ever had in 4 PS9.

1389
01:00:42.960 --> 01:00:47.340
The, I mean, they do come back and try and take over the station.

1390
01:00:47.400 --> 01:00:50.159
Yeah. you know, at the at the end.

1391
01:00:50.219 --> 01:00:56.039
Oh, I love the earmuffs.

1392
01:00:56.099 --> 01:00:58.019
I would love to see Morn wearing earmuffs.

1393
01:00:58.079 --> 01:00:58.800
Do you know what I mean?

1394
01:00:58.860 --> 01:01:00.659
That's a silly, cute line.

1395
01:01:00.780 --> 01:01:02.400
And because Garak's here.

1396
01:01:02.460 --> 01:01:05.639
You know, we've got Garrick's tailor shop, 2 scenes in the tailor

1397
01:01:05.639 --> 01:01:06.059
set.

1398
01:01:06.119 --> 01:01:07.619
You know, it's brilliant.

1399
01:01:07.739 --> 01:01:09.059
We don't even...

1400
01:01:09.059 --> 01:01:09.539
You know what?

1401
01:01:09.599 --> 01:01:14.219
I was having a conversation with Toby Hazoke the other day about

1402
01:01:14.219 --> 01:01:17.639
performances nowadays and how sort of naturalistic they've got.

1403
01:01:17.699 --> 01:01:20.639
You don't really get performances like Andy Robinson's Garak

1404
01:01:20.639 --> 01:01:21.420
anymore, do we?

1405
01:01:21.480 --> 01:01:25.079
It's very theatrical and extremely calm.

1406
01:01:25.079 --> 01:01:26.340
Oh, hard sorrow as well.

1407
01:01:26.400 --> 01:01:27.360
Yeah.

1408
01:01:27.420 --> 01:01:29.400
I just thought I'll miss it.

1409
01:01:29.460 --> 01:01:31.800
I miss that scary chewy acting.

1410
01:01:31.860 --> 01:01:33.659
I mean, they were summoned.

1411
01:01:33.659 --> 01:01:36.719
And he basically looked at the camera like a Hannah-Barbera

1412
01:01:36.719 --> 01:01:41.820
cartoon and went, why am I being summoned?

1413
01:01:41.880 --> 01:01:44.940
It goes, ah, Captain, I believe I have everything I need.

1414
01:01:45.900 --> 01:01:50.519
I think I think that Star Trek, like modern Star Trek is still

1415
01:01:50.519 --> 01:01:52.079
aware of that staff.

1416
01:01:52.139 --> 01:01:55.500
You know, I think it still has camp villains.

1417
01:01:55.559 --> 01:01:56.639
Look at Amanda Plummer.

1418
01:01:56.699 --> 01:01:59.219
Oh, we talked about the last time. heavenly.

1419
01:01:59.280 --> 01:02:01.139
I mean, there's just not enough of it, though, you know?

1420
01:02:01.139 --> 01:02:02.400
Yeah, yeah.

1421
01:02:02.460 --> 01:02:05.760
I mean, no one chooses scenery like Shatner and TOS, right?

1422
01:02:05.820 --> 01:02:06.840
Yeah.

1423
01:02:06.900 --> 01:02:07.500
Yeah.

1424
01:02:07.559 --> 01:02:12.539
Oh, and so now this this is um tying back to civil defence where

1425
01:02:12.539 --> 01:02:17.099
we learn that Garak and Dukat absolutely hate each other's guts.

1426
01:02:17.159 --> 01:02:18.300
Yeah.

1427
01:02:18.360 --> 01:02:20.940
But of course, who else is he going to turn to?

1428
01:02:21.480 --> 01:02:26.460
But I think, as well, what's really good here is that the

1429
01:02:26.460 --> 01:02:30.480
government's been overthrown, and so that really should be the end

1430
01:02:30.480 --> 01:02:32.099
of Gold Ducata's character.

1431
01:02:32.159 --> 01:02:37.079
So why, so what they do is they hang a hat on it by saying, oh, you

1432
01:02:37.079 --> 01:02:40.679
know, now he's the head of the, you know, his military advisor to

1433
01:02:40.679 --> 01:02:42.360
the Dedapa Council or whatever.

1434
01:02:42.420 --> 01:02:46.739
And then later on, when Cisco finds out about that or something

1435
01:02:46.739 --> 01:02:50.760
and he makes some snide remark about, you know, how he, you know

1436
01:02:50.760 --> 01:02:56.340
it just, it reminds me, there's a Blake 7 line about some

1437
01:02:56.340 --> 01:02:59.940
character who switched sides a few times, and I think I even says

1438
01:02:59.940 --> 01:03:03.599
no one could ever accuse you of being doctrinaire, and that's all

1439
01:03:03.599 --> 01:03:04.800
I can ever think of.

1440
01:03:04.860 --> 01:03:09.659
It's like, you know, we really want Marco Lamo in the show, but

1441
01:03:09.659 --> 01:03:12.840
he's a really actually properly good character reason for him

1442
01:03:12.840 --> 01:03:14.159
still to be in charge.

1443
01:03:14.219 --> 01:03:16.019
I mean, they get so desperate in Sarah 7.

1444
01:03:16.079 --> 01:03:19.199
They make him a cult religious leader. don't know, for what?

1445
01:03:19.320 --> 01:03:20.820
What the hell do we do with him this week?

1446
01:03:20.880 --> 01:03:21.960
I don't know. could be fun.

1447
01:03:22.079 --> 01:03:25.559
But again, that was just an A to B plotting scene, right?

1448
01:03:25.619 --> 01:03:29.639
We need to let the Cardassians know that they're coming, but it

1449
01:03:29.639 --> 01:03:31.019
was loaded with character.

1450
01:03:31.079 --> 01:03:34.139
Garak going, you know, we could sit here and remind each other how

1451
01:03:34.139 --> 01:03:37.860
much we hate one another, but you don't have the time, you know.

1452
01:03:37.920 --> 01:03:39.420
It's great.

1453
01:03:39.599 --> 01:03:46.860
It's like the characters are just come into fruition at just the

1454
01:03:46.860 --> 01:03:47.400
right time.

1455
01:03:47.460 --> 01:03:50.699
Just as the show is taking big risks.

1456
01:03:51.480 --> 01:03:56.340
Yeah, I mean, these character scenes are brilliant, but the thing

1457
01:03:56.340 --> 01:04:00.420
is that they are happening in the service of a plot that is, you

1458
01:04:00.420 --> 01:04:04.679
know, interesting and has stakes and is changing the status quo.

1459
01:04:04.739 --> 01:04:07.980
And so all of this character stuff is happening, but it's not just

1460
01:04:07.980 --> 01:04:09.000
character stuff.

1461
01:04:09.059 --> 01:04:10.739
This isn't just hang time on the station.

1462
01:04:10.800 --> 01:04:12.780
All of the scenes are about both.

1463
01:04:12.900 --> 01:04:14.280
All of the scenes are doing both things.

1464
01:04:14.340 --> 01:04:16.800
I mean, this is nearly the end of the 1st episode.

1465
01:04:16.860 --> 01:04:20.039
The 1st episode ends with Garon going, what is it?

1466
01:04:20.099 --> 01:04:22.920
Gloria, wait Shuan Cardassia.

1467
01:04:22.980 --> 01:04:26.219
Yeah, but so just before the end of the 1st episode, we've just

1468
01:04:26.219 --> 01:04:28.679
been told that the peace treaty between the Federation and the

1469
01:04:28.679 --> 01:04:29.760
Klingons is over.

1470
01:04:29.820 --> 01:04:30.539
It's done.

1471
01:04:30.659 --> 01:04:31.139
Yeah.

1472
01:04:31.199 --> 01:04:34.139
Yeah, they've ended diplomatic relations and that's huge.

1473
01:04:34.260 --> 01:04:37.320
So we're going into the 2nd episode now going, well, what happens

1474
01:04:37.320 --> 01:04:37.800
now?

1475
01:04:37.860 --> 01:04:42.480
Yeah And war thinking, well, where the hell's my place now?

1476
01:04:42.599 --> 01:04:42.840
Like.

1477
01:04:43.139 --> 01:04:47.579
But I mean, that's literally the thing that defined 24th century

1478
01:04:47.579 --> 01:04:50.219
Star Trek, isn't it, that alliance?

1479
01:04:50.280 --> 01:04:52.739
Oh, like is Robert O'Reilly into the show?

1480
01:04:52.800 --> 01:04:55.800
I mean, guarantee it's a cracker smile.

1481
01:04:56.039 --> 01:04:58.800
When did these guys become best friends?

1482
01:04:58.860 --> 01:05:00.840
Okay, when did that happen?

1483
01:05:02.579 --> 01:05:06.719
It has been too long since your last fought at my side.

1484
01:05:06.780 --> 01:05:11.039
I mean, he has got the craziest eyes in Star Trek, hasn't he?

1485
01:05:11.099 --> 01:05:13.619
But that was the thing, remember?

1486
01:05:13.679 --> 01:05:16.440
Remember when it was a choice between Duras and Gowron, and we

1487
01:05:16.440 --> 01:05:19.260
knew that Duras was a traitor and evil and all of that sort of

1488
01:05:19.260 --> 01:05:19.559
thing.

1489
01:05:19.619 --> 01:05:22.980
And then it's a choice, do we have duress or do we have Gaur on?

1490
01:05:23.039 --> 01:05:26.280
And then Gauron turns up and he's like a skull head with googly

1491
01:05:26.280 --> 01:05:27.960
eyes and scares the shit out.

1492
01:05:27.960 --> 01:05:31.800
Do you remember when it was a choice between Barral or Kai Wynn?

1493
01:05:31.860 --> 01:05:34.199
And we're like, well, it's definitely it's definitely going to be

1494
01:05:34.199 --> 01:05:34.980
parole, right?

1495
01:05:35.039 --> 01:05:35.760
No.

1496
01:05:35.760 --> 01:05:39.960
Nurse Ratchet's in charge of that planet now.

1497
01:05:41.039 --> 01:05:43.739
So now we're in episode two, aren't we?

1498
01:05:43.980 --> 01:05:45.360
Yes.

1499
01:05:45.420 --> 01:05:46.019
Right.

1500
01:05:46.079 --> 01:05:46.500
Okay.

1501
01:05:46.559 --> 01:05:48.719
So this is the this is the end.

1502
01:05:49.139 --> 01:05:55.079
And of course, Worf was never going to go and invade Cardassic

1503
01:05:55.079 --> 01:05:55.800
with the Klingons.

1504
01:05:55.860 --> 01:05:57.900
That would feel like a betrayal of his character.

1505
01:05:57.960 --> 01:05:59.820
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1506
01:05:59.880 --> 01:06:03.420
No, it was never a question, but they're at least making the offer

1507
01:06:03.420 --> 01:06:06.840
at the same time as he's not sure what he's going to do.

1508
01:06:06.900 --> 01:06:10.920
And, you know, we know, we know that Michael's, you know, the new

1509
01:06:10.920 --> 01:06:13.619
regular cast member. is in the opening credits, you know.

1510
01:06:13.679 --> 01:06:15.480
I'm very just sorry, this action.

1511
01:06:15.539 --> 01:06:16.739
He goes, I have loyalty.

1512
01:06:16.800 --> 01:06:18.480
To the Federation.

1513
01:06:19.860 --> 01:06:23.760
It's my, I mean, you wait till the end when they're on the

1514
01:06:23.760 --> 01:06:24.480
viewscreen.

1515
01:06:24.539 --> 01:06:26.880
Cisco and Gower on spitting lines at each other.

1516
01:06:27.840 --> 01:06:30.059
Fuck, that is gold.

1517
01:06:30.119 --> 01:06:34.260
Well, it's this guy. isn't Martok in the shot as well?

1518
01:06:34.320 --> 01:06:37.559
Is it is it Martok and Gaur on on the screen at the same time?

1519
01:06:37.619 --> 01:06:40.559
At one point, Martok goes, we can still win.

1520
01:06:44.039 --> 01:06:49.019
I do not, I do not intend to hand victory to the Dominion.

1521
01:06:49.739 --> 01:06:51.659
They're just crazy.

1522
01:06:51.719 --> 01:06:57.300
I mean, wharf's, um, wharf's always, that word honourable is

1523
01:06:57.300 --> 01:07:01.079
bounded around far too many in those Klingon dramas, but wharf's

1524
01:07:01.079 --> 01:07:02.400
always been an honourable bloke.

1525
01:07:02.460 --> 01:07:05.579
So, of course, it's... point though, isn't it?

1526
01:07:05.639 --> 01:07:08.940
Like that's part of the point of worst character. is that he's

1527
01:07:08.940 --> 01:07:14.460
grown up aspiring to be Klingon outside of Klingon society.

1528
01:07:14.519 --> 01:07:17.940
And the one thing he knows about Klingons is that they're

1529
01:07:17.940 --> 01:07:21.420
honourable and he's internalised that in a way that the actual

1530
01:07:21.420 --> 01:07:23.699
Klingons have all just completely forgotten.

1531
01:07:23.760 --> 01:07:28.019
And that's even present in those Ronald T. Moore TNG episodes

1532
01:07:28.019 --> 01:07:28.380
isn't it?

1533
01:07:28.440 --> 01:07:31.920
Yeah, well, even this, this is all continuity again, isn't it?

1534
01:07:31.980 --> 01:07:34.860
He goes, here's a chance for you to redeem yourself, Wharf.

1535
01:07:35.219 --> 01:07:39.179
Are we going to discommend you again like we did last time?

1536
01:07:39.900 --> 01:07:43.739
You did say when we got to suck in the wind, you're like, oh, we've

1537
01:07:43.739 --> 01:07:45.360
been doing this bullshit for some time now.

1538
01:07:45.960 --> 01:07:48.119
Are we still doing this?

1539
01:07:48.179 --> 01:07:50.699
Oh, they're best friends again now, are they?

1540
01:07:50.760 --> 01:07:51.059
Okay.

1541
01:07:52.559 --> 01:07:56.579
So we're all heading to Cardassia next, aren't we?

1542
01:07:56.639 --> 01:07:58.139
Yeah.

1543
01:07:58.139 --> 01:07:58.440
Okay.

1544
01:07:58.500 --> 01:07:59.579
Meanwhile, here we are.

1545
01:07:59.699 --> 01:08:02.039
It's a Pac-Lad.

1546
01:08:02.039 --> 01:08:02.940
Playing table.

1547
01:08:03.000 --> 01:08:03.539
Why not?

1548
01:08:04.980 --> 01:08:09.300
Michael Westmore went, you want me to do how many aliens in this?

1549
01:08:10.320 --> 01:08:13.739
But again, look, we're in a different part of the set.

1550
01:08:13.800 --> 01:08:15.300
Beautifully lit.

1551
01:08:15.360 --> 01:08:18.359
It's a terrific scene, talking about the best of both worlds.

1552
01:08:18.420 --> 01:08:20.100
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1553
01:08:20.159 --> 01:08:20.640
Yep.

1554
01:08:20.760 --> 01:08:23.520
Well, see, O'Brien says, at one point, I thought we were all going

1555
01:08:23.520 --> 01:08:25.199
to end up being assimilated.

1556
01:08:25.920 --> 01:08:31.739
Well, remember just by chance LeVar wasn't available in part 2 or

1557
01:08:31.739 --> 01:08:34.020
was had reduced availability in part 2?

1558
01:08:34.079 --> 01:08:39.239
And so O'Brien is in that scene in the laboratory?

1559
01:08:39.359 --> 01:08:41.939
Okay, yeah, with Picard.

1560
01:08:42.479 --> 01:08:45.960
So he has a bigger role in that than he had before.

1561
01:08:46.020 --> 01:08:47.520
It's just so living.

1562
01:08:47.640 --> 01:08:51.600
Up to its name of the static setting, meaning consequences, because

1563
01:08:51.600 --> 01:08:55.020
everything, everyone is talking about is stuff we've seen.

1564
01:08:55.439 --> 01:09:02.579
But also look at Wharf saying how he felt about being on TNG as a

1565
01:09:02.579 --> 01:09:07.560
character where he says we were like, you know, heroes in sagas

1566
01:09:07.560 --> 01:09:11.100
from great, you know, great sagas from the past or whatever.

1567
01:09:11.159 --> 01:09:12.539
We could do nothing wrong.

1568
01:09:12.600 --> 01:09:13.979
I just think that was wonderful.

1569
01:09:14.039 --> 01:09:19.979
Like that's a very, very warm tribute to TNG, I think, from a show

1570
01:09:19.979 --> 01:09:21.239
that's often much better.

1571
01:09:21.300 --> 01:09:24.300
And he's literally discussing 1st contact as well, isn't he?

1572
01:09:24.359 --> 01:09:26.460
Because no wonder the producers weren't happy.

1573
01:09:26.520 --> 01:09:29.340
Not 1st contact generation, sorry, when the ship was destroyed.

1574
01:09:29.819 --> 01:09:30.840
Yeah, I agree.

1575
01:09:30.899 --> 01:09:32.939
The producers are like, oh, this continuity.

1576
01:09:33.000 --> 01:09:33.600
What's going on?

1577
01:09:36.659 --> 01:09:40.439
But again, it's very clear who the characters are.

1578
01:09:40.500 --> 01:09:43.500
This is not just displaying the characters. presenting them as

1579
01:09:43.500 --> 01:09:43.800
well.

1580
01:09:43.859 --> 01:09:47.100
We get to know everyone really well, just from watching this

1581
01:09:47.100 --> 01:09:47.939
episode, I think.

1582
01:09:48.000 --> 01:09:50.760
You know, a lot of people sit and have their personal

1583
01:09:50.760 --> 01:09:54.180
conversations up on this top level, you know, overlooking the

1584
01:09:54.180 --> 01:09:54.960
Darbo table.

1585
01:09:55.439 --> 01:09:57.659
It's a bit of a nightmare.

1586
01:09:57.720 --> 01:10:00.300
Isn't this where O'Brien and Keiko had their date that time when

1587
01:10:00.300 --> 01:10:01.560
she was wearing the red dress.

1588
01:10:01.680 --> 01:10:06.420
That's right I love that red dress.

1589
01:10:06.479 --> 01:10:09.840
The hell is the Neither Writer Alliance Wharf, and why do you want

1590
01:10:09.840 --> 01:10:10.140
to go there?

1591
01:10:10.619 --> 01:10:14.760
They're a long way away and we will never hear of them again.

1592
01:10:14.819 --> 01:10:16.380
The big difference.

1593
01:10:16.439 --> 01:10:20.279
I think if you'd have just swapped one crew for another with Wharf

1594
01:10:20.279 --> 01:10:20.460
yeah.

1595
01:10:20.520 --> 01:10:25.199
I'm not sure it would have landed for me as well as he swaps one

1596
01:10:25.199 --> 01:10:29.880
crew for another, and he finds he finds someone that he falls in

1597
01:10:29.880 --> 01:10:30.300
love with.

1598
01:10:30.359 --> 01:10:31.800
And that's the big difference here.

1599
01:10:31.859 --> 01:10:35.399
That's why he beds in on Deep Space 9 because he falls in love

1600
01:10:35.399 --> 01:10:38.579
with somebody who is absolutely embedded in that setting.

1601
01:10:38.640 --> 01:10:40.800
So it feels like he has a place there.

1602
01:10:41.220 --> 01:10:42.600
Yeah.

1603
01:10:42.659 --> 01:10:43.140
Yeah.

1604
01:10:43.199 --> 01:10:47.880
Oh, no, I think, but also I just think he, he just, he works

1605
01:10:47.880 --> 01:10:51.180
really well in this context, he's being better written for, you

1606
01:10:51.180 --> 01:10:54.060
know, as a character rather than as a plot function.

1607
01:10:54.060 --> 01:10:55.500
Trust Quawkler.

1608
01:10:55.560 --> 01:11:00.420
I'm so pleased we got rid of all those Klingons. goes, I don't

1609
01:11:00.420 --> 01:11:00.600
care.

1610
01:11:00.659 --> 01:11:02.340
All he ever drinks is prune juice.

1611
01:11:02.760 --> 01:11:04.439
That's great.

1612
01:11:05.159 --> 01:11:08.579
Oh, man, every show needs a quark, doesn't it?

1613
01:11:08.880 --> 01:11:12.539
And this, and so this is the scene, isn't it?

1614
01:11:12.600 --> 01:11:15.960
Is this finally the scene where Cisco gives his bank story?

1615
01:11:16.020 --> 01:11:17.100
Yeah.

1616
01:11:17.159 --> 01:11:17.939
Yeah.

1617
01:11:18.000 --> 01:11:20.340
And, you know, we, we, we keep getting.

1618
01:11:20.760 --> 01:11:24.960
Man on man, sort of nice emotional saying this, don't worry.

1619
01:11:25.020 --> 01:11:28.680
Yeah, I like, I like too, that it's just I'm not going to accept

1620
01:11:28.680 --> 01:11:29.520
your resignation.

1621
01:11:29.640 --> 01:11:32.399
You know, he's decided to resign and you've got Cisco saying, yeah

1622
01:11:32.399 --> 01:11:33.359
you're not resigning.

1623
01:11:33.420 --> 01:11:34.500
You know, I need you.

1624
01:11:34.560 --> 01:11:37.680
And then he explains why he thinks it's the right decision for

1625
01:11:37.680 --> 01:11:41.279
Worf as well, but because Worf will do what he's told.

1626
01:11:41.340 --> 01:11:42.960
You know what he means?

1627
01:11:43.020 --> 01:11:46.260
captains must get a bit bored actually, because I think, you know

1628
01:11:46.260 --> 01:11:48.840
depending on what's happening from episode to episode.

1629
01:11:48.899 --> 01:11:52.800
People resign about 15 times a season in 90s trek.

1630
01:11:52.859 --> 01:11:55.619
Troy tried to resign a few times.

1631
01:11:55.680 --> 01:11:58.260
Gates did to Reich. did at one point.

1632
01:11:58.319 --> 01:11:59.699
Yeah.

1633
01:11:59.699 --> 01:12:00.300
Yeah.

1634
01:12:00.420 --> 01:12:03.659
How many resignations have I got this morning?

1635
01:12:03.720 --> 01:12:04.199
Okay.

1636
01:12:05.100 --> 01:12:07.319
So, here we go.

1637
01:12:07.380 --> 01:12:08.939
Yeah, so this is the same.

1638
01:12:09.000 --> 01:12:11.220
Cisco goes to...

1639
01:12:11.279 --> 01:12:11.880
I see.

1640
01:12:11.939 --> 01:12:14.640
You saw which way the wind was blowing and changed sides.

1641
01:12:14.819 --> 01:12:17.699
Yes, yeah, that's exactly it.

1642
01:12:17.760 --> 01:12:19.859
No one could accuse you of being doctrinaire.

1643
01:12:19.920 --> 01:12:24.420
So that thing, which is just there to keep Mark in the semi

1644
01:12:23.699 --> 01:12:27.600
regular cast and give him a role, becomes a character revealing

1645
01:12:27.600 --> 01:12:27.899
thing.

1646
01:12:27.960 --> 01:12:29.220
It's like he'll just do anything.

1647
01:12:29.279 --> 01:12:31.560
It just doesn't have real loyalties.

1648
01:12:31.619 --> 01:12:35.939
It made sense at the time. excellent.

1649
01:12:37.319 --> 01:12:40.439
And this is an established relationship as well.

1650
01:12:40.500 --> 01:12:43.199
Last year we had defiant where the 2 of them went off to try and

1651
01:12:43.199 --> 01:12:44.279
stop the marquee together.

1652
01:12:44.340 --> 01:12:48.779
Well, we saw, didn't we, in Waltz the other day where they end

1653
01:12:48.779 --> 01:12:49.979
up.

1654
01:12:50.039 --> 01:12:51.539
Yep, yep, yep, yep.

1655
01:12:51.840 --> 01:12:56.460
Yeah, so, yeah, and I quite like this too, because it is them just

1656
01:12:56.460 --> 01:12:59.579
being businesslike, and it is, like, this is not a story where

1657
01:12:59.579 --> 01:13:01.319
there's any actual villains.

1658
01:13:01.500 --> 01:13:03.359
No one's a villain in this.

1659
01:13:03.420 --> 01:13:04.739
Oh, I love they?

1660
01:13:04.800 --> 01:13:06.539
Look how fawning he is.

1661
01:13:06.600 --> 01:13:08.699
I have to say, how generous, Captain.

1662
01:13:08.760 --> 01:13:10.619
He goes, forget the speech to cut.

1663
01:13:10.680 --> 01:13:12.300
Meet me at the rendezvous point.

1664
01:13:12.359 --> 01:13:14.100
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1665
01:13:17.340 --> 01:13:19.739
Yeah, but do you know what I mean?

1666
01:13:19.800 --> 01:13:22.199
Like this, he's not, like, this isn't a story with a moustache

1667
01:13:22.199 --> 01:13:22.979
twirling villain.

1668
01:13:23.039 --> 01:13:24.899
I mean, it's got those big performances.

1669
01:13:24.899 --> 01:13:30.300
And, you know, in different contexts, changeling Martoc and Ducata

1670
01:13:30.300 --> 01:13:32.640
villains, but not in this, not in this episode.

1671
01:13:32.699 --> 01:13:34.739
I like how they're out at that scene.

1672
01:13:34.800 --> 01:13:38.819
He goes, I'm not sure I've got your confidence, but I don't have

1673
01:13:38.819 --> 01:13:39.720
much choice, do I?

1674
01:13:39.779 --> 01:13:40.979
And the screen's off.

1675
01:13:41.039 --> 01:13:42.779
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1676
01:13:43.380 --> 01:13:47.640
I know you want to be out of that uniform, Mr. Worf, but right now

1677
01:13:47.640 --> 01:13:48.479
I really need you.

1678
01:13:48.539 --> 01:13:50.340
I've got a load of Klingons to fight.

1679
01:13:52.020 --> 01:13:55.859
I mean, Jesus Christ, man, when they beam on the station at the

1680
01:13:55.859 --> 01:13:58.020
end, there's 100s of the bloody Klingons.

1681
01:13:58.079 --> 01:14:00.119
Well, maybe 30.

1682
01:14:00.420 --> 01:14:02.760
Well, that's a lot more unusual.

1683
01:14:02.819 --> 01:14:05.100
No, there's quite a lot.

1684
01:14:05.220 --> 01:14:06.000
Yeah.

1685
01:14:06.060 --> 01:14:08.699
I mean, there's massive amounts of stunts.

1686
01:14:08.760 --> 01:14:12.359
We talked about how, you know, having 2 people have a fist fight

1687
01:14:12.359 --> 01:14:15.180
is a cheap way of getting action into a talkie story.

1688
01:14:15.239 --> 01:14:17.399
But this is not bad.

1689
01:14:17.460 --> 01:14:22.260
This is like lots and lots and lots of action with special effects

1690
01:14:22.260 --> 01:14:23.939
and gunshots and all sorts of things.

1691
01:14:24.000 --> 01:14:24.899
Oh, here's this scene.

1692
01:14:24.960 --> 01:14:26.100
Oh boy.

1693
01:14:26.159 --> 01:14:27.000
Pennies back.

1694
01:14:27.060 --> 01:14:29.579
Do you remember when she came to the holodeck when he changed her

1695
01:14:29.579 --> 01:14:31.859
schedule pattern and take me out to the holosuite?

1696
01:14:31.920 --> 01:14:32.819
Do you remember?

1697
01:14:32.880 --> 01:14:33.840
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1698
01:14:33.899 --> 01:14:39.300
And he's there with flowers going, oh, dear, what a shame. this

1699
01:14:39.300 --> 01:14:40.859
baseball match that I need you to do.

1700
01:14:42.180 --> 01:14:44.460
Oh, and they're still, though.

1701
01:14:44.520 --> 01:14:47.100
Still, he's being evasive with her and still, she's sort of a

1702
01:14:47.100 --> 01:14:47.520
bit.

1703
01:14:48.119 --> 01:14:49.140
Okay, what's happening?

1704
01:14:49.199 --> 01:14:50.399
Yeah, yeah.

1705
01:14:50.399 --> 01:14:54.180
So there's something, I think they're laying seeds of like, is she

1706
01:14:54.180 --> 01:14:54.899
all that she seems?

1707
01:14:55.020 --> 01:14:58.260
But you can't deny the chemistry.

1708
01:14:58.319 --> 01:14:59.939
Oh, no.

1709
01:15:00.000 --> 01:15:02.279
I mean, this, I just thought this was so great.

1710
01:15:02.340 --> 01:15:03.420
This was so good.

1711
01:15:03.479 --> 01:15:05.460
Look, he is playing it.

1712
01:15:05.520 --> 01:15:08.939
He's so like the smile and he's slightly bashful.

1713
01:15:09.000 --> 01:15:14.699
You know, like he's not super confident and then she goes and I'm

1714
01:15:14.699 --> 01:15:15.659
kind of going, oh, really?

1715
01:15:15.720 --> 01:15:18.180
And then she turns, she doesn't even turn around properly.

1716
01:15:18.239 --> 01:15:20.340
We don't get home. kisses like that very often.

1717
01:15:21.840 --> 01:15:24.000
She's going to her husband.

1718
01:15:24.060 --> 01:15:25.319
Look at me.

1719
01:15:25.380 --> 01:15:25.920
Look at her.

1720
01:15:25.979 --> 01:15:28.680
Oh my God, those luscious lips of his.

1721
01:15:28.859 --> 01:15:34.439
She does decorously put her hand in front of the actual keys.

1722
01:15:34.859 --> 01:15:38.039
You can see, though.

1723
01:15:38.100 --> 01:15:40.140
They are locking lips out a pair of them.

1724
01:15:40.199 --> 01:15:40.859
That's right.

1725
01:15:40.920 --> 01:15:43.800
But I wonder whether that's there so that they can properly go for

1726
01:15:43.800 --> 01:15:44.039
it.

1727
01:15:44.100 --> 01:15:46.859
I'm not sure I have a hat in life.

1728
01:15:46.920 --> 01:15:49.199
You know, when I walk away and then someone grabs you and then

1729
01:15:49.199 --> 01:15:51.779
throws yourself into an embrace with you.

1730
01:15:51.840 --> 01:15:56.100
But also, like Cisco doesn't do a, yeah, I've still got it or

1731
01:15:56.100 --> 01:15:56.880
anything like that.

1732
01:15:56.939 --> 01:16:00.960
Like he's, he's, you know, he's slightly abashed by it.

1733
01:16:01.020 --> 01:16:02.340
I thought, you know, it's nice.

1734
01:16:02.340 --> 01:16:07.380
That person on the con was there, but did you see how crazy eyes?

1735
01:16:08.760 --> 01:16:11.760
Can we put her at the front of the bridge, please?

1736
01:16:11.819 --> 01:16:14.399
don't have to look at her crazy eyes.

1737
01:16:15.659 --> 01:16:19.739
I don't know what that is There's a very funny moment in a minute

1738
01:16:19.739 --> 01:16:19.979
right?

1739
01:16:20.039 --> 01:16:24.479
Where they're fighting the Klingons and Cisco's talking to Takar

1740
01:16:24.479 --> 01:16:28.380
and Dax is in the background just going, Firefaces.

1741
01:16:29.159 --> 01:16:30.300
Who the hell are you?

1742
01:16:30.359 --> 01:16:31.079
Excuse me?

1743
01:16:31.140 --> 01:16:33.420
Oh, I say fire phases.

1744
01:16:33.479 --> 01:16:33.899
All right.

1745
01:16:34.619 --> 01:16:37.020
You're the science officer.

1746
01:16:37.079 --> 01:16:41.640
Oh, God, I'll never forget watching this with my mum, right?

1747
01:16:41.699 --> 01:16:45.840
This bit here where Bashir leans into Cisco, right?

1748
01:16:45.899 --> 01:16:50.159
and Cisco there winks at him and the chair sort of steps back and

1749
01:16:50.159 --> 01:16:53.340
my mum turned it on at this and she's like, what's going on

1750
01:16:53.340 --> 01:16:53.579
there?

1751
01:16:53.640 --> 01:16:56.039
Cisco winky and the bitch.

1752
01:16:56.100 --> 01:16:57.539
She was very confused.

1753
01:16:59.520 --> 01:17:01.439
Oh, bless.

1754
01:17:01.500 --> 01:17:05.340
God, we had a great time watching this one, me and my mother, you

1755
01:17:05.340 --> 01:17:05.520
know.

1756
01:17:05.579 --> 01:17:06.359
I bet.

1757
01:17:06.420 --> 01:17:09.899
Yeah, probably the best time we'd had since emissary, actually, you

1758
01:17:09.899 --> 01:17:10.079
know.

1759
01:17:10.140 --> 01:17:13.140
Right, right It's the next big attack on the station.

1760
01:17:13.140 --> 01:17:14.640
Exactly.

1761
01:17:14.699 --> 01:17:19.619
In fact, we have a reference to it a little bit later in dialogue

1762
01:17:19.619 --> 01:17:20.279
I'll point it out.

1763
01:17:20.340 --> 01:17:24.420
I remember she was very impressed, actually, that Kira got stabbed

1764
01:17:24.420 --> 01:17:26.760
at the end of the episode because she goes, you know, they never

1765
01:17:26.760 --> 01:17:30.359
hurt the regulars and she gets a proper puncher wound to the

1766
01:17:30.359 --> 01:17:30.539
side.

1767
01:17:30.600 --> 01:17:31.500
Yeah.

1768
01:17:31.560 --> 01:17:34.140
And I think they're reluctant to hurt women as well.

1769
01:17:34.199 --> 01:17:36.899
Like, I think that there's generally a thing that was what, you

1770
01:17:36.899 --> 01:17:40.140
know, watching Discovery and having Michael beating the shit out

1771
01:17:40.140 --> 01:17:45.060
of someone and being attacked properly, like by a man and it not

1772
01:17:45.060 --> 01:17:48.239
being in any way sexual and it being okay to think, wow, we didn't

1773
01:17:48.239 --> 01:17:49.439
used to do that in the 90s.

1774
01:17:49.560 --> 01:17:50.760
But they do it here with her.

1775
01:17:50.819 --> 01:17:53.399
Oh, this is the closest callback.

1776
01:17:53.460 --> 01:17:57.420
I think we get to best of both worlds because we see a minefield

1777
01:17:57.420 --> 01:17:58.619
of wreckage of ships now.

1778
01:17:58.680 --> 01:18:02.220
It's got to be a deliberate reference to it, doesn't it?

1779
01:18:02.279 --> 01:18:03.119
Like it just has to be.

1780
01:18:03.180 --> 01:18:06.239
But is this them saying, yeah, this is as big as best of both

1781
01:18:06.239 --> 01:18:06.600
worlds?

1782
01:18:07.079 --> 01:18:09.119
Yes, absolutely, it is.

1783
01:18:09.180 --> 01:18:11.279
And actually, it's going to get bigger than this.

1784
01:18:11.399 --> 01:18:13.260
Yeah, yeah.

1785
01:18:13.319 --> 01:18:17.819
Well, and then I think there's that interesting thing where it's

1786
01:18:17.819 --> 01:18:22.319
like, we're really busy, and we can't scan for survivors here.

1787
01:18:22.380 --> 01:18:24.060
We just have to go.

1788
01:18:24.119 --> 01:18:24.840
Oh, I love to.

1789
01:18:25.199 --> 01:18:26.819
Like the cheers line there goes, that doesn't sound very

1790
01:18:26.819 --> 01:18:28.560
honourable to me and walk it in.

1791
01:18:28.619 --> 01:18:31.260
Actually, there's nothing more honourable than winning the war.

1792
01:18:31.380 --> 01:18:34.140
Yeah, but he doesn't mean that.

1793
01:18:34.199 --> 01:18:35.520
Do you know what I mean?

1794
01:18:35.579 --> 01:18:39.420
Like, that's that's him bitterly complaining about how these

1795
01:18:39.420 --> 01:18:40.680
Klingons behave?

1796
01:18:40.739 --> 01:18:44.340
Because Worf does think this is the wrong thing to do because

1797
01:18:44.340 --> 01:18:45.600
they're breaking their word?

1798
01:18:45.659 --> 01:18:48.479
Fuck, they're just saying...

1799
01:18:48.600 --> 01:18:50.699
I mean, that's why Bashir is their right to say that.

1800
01:18:50.760 --> 01:18:52.500
Yeah, yeah.

1801
01:18:52.560 --> 01:18:54.359
And he gets to agree with it.

1802
01:18:54.420 --> 01:18:55.199
Do you know what I mean?

1803
01:18:55.260 --> 01:18:56.039
Like he doesn't object.

1804
01:18:56.159 --> 01:19:00.300
It's not like that stupid thing where the other day where he

1805
01:19:00.300 --> 01:19:03.359
wanted to pretend that nothing was happening.

1806
01:19:03.479 --> 01:19:05.399
Captain Cisco's life.

1807
01:19:06.180 --> 01:19:07.439
You may leave the bridge, doctor.

1808
01:19:07.560 --> 01:19:11.819
Yeah. go and punch yourself in the face as well.

1809
01:19:13.680 --> 01:19:16.140
So we do get a little bit of action.

1810
01:19:16.199 --> 01:19:18.600
Actually, there's a hell of a ship exploding in this scene.

1811
01:19:21.000 --> 01:19:23.939
It comes riding through the wave of the shockwave of the

1812
01:19:23.939 --> 01:19:24.359
explosion.

1813
01:19:24.420 --> 01:19:25.560
Yeah, it's awesome.

1814
01:19:25.619 --> 01:19:26.220
Yeah.

1815
01:19:26.279 --> 01:19:26.760
Yeah.

1816
01:19:26.819 --> 01:19:27.420
Oh here we go.

1817
01:19:27.479 --> 01:19:29.399
Yes, this it's really good.

1818
01:19:29.460 --> 01:19:30.300
Is it CG?

1819
01:19:30.300 --> 01:19:30.659
It's great.

1820
01:19:30.720 --> 01:19:33.119
I just can't tell what CG and what's model working here.

1821
01:19:33.239 --> 01:19:36.180
Yeah, they composite things at this point.

1822
01:19:36.239 --> 01:19:41.640
They compositing shots with the, with the, um, so they don't have

1823
01:19:41.640 --> 01:19:44.460
to have the all of the models in the same shot.

1824
01:19:44.460 --> 01:19:49.260
But I think things are models rather than computer generated.

1825
01:19:49.319 --> 01:19:49.920
I don't know though.

1826
01:19:49.979 --> 01:19:53.159
You know, they get some leverage out of close-ups of Cisco

1827
01:19:53.159 --> 01:19:57.060
deciding whether to fire or not in the bridge of the fight. in the

1828
01:19:57.060 --> 01:19:58.260
next 4 seasons, don't they?

1829
01:19:58.319 --> 01:20:00.119
But he just looks so fucking cool.

1830
01:20:00.180 --> 01:20:00.600
Who cares?

1831
01:20:01.619 --> 01:20:03.479
Jesus Christ.

1832
01:20:03.600 --> 01:20:06.359
I do like that ship, I have to say.

1833
01:20:06.420 --> 01:20:10.739
Yeah, well, it's very different looking to anything else, isn't

1834
01:20:10.739 --> 01:20:10.920
it?

1835
01:20:10.979 --> 01:20:11.579
Yeah.

1836
01:20:11.579 --> 01:20:14.819
But it's still got the, you know, deflected dish and the Nasselles

1837
01:20:14.819 --> 01:20:16.260
and the main saucer and stuff.

1838
01:20:16.319 --> 01:20:18.479
I just like the fact that it's like a freebee.

1839
01:20:18.539 --> 01:20:20.340
And it could sort of weave in and out of things.

1840
01:20:20.399 --> 01:20:20.640
Really.

1841
01:20:20.760 --> 01:20:22.140
I mean, that's what they're going for, right?

1842
01:20:22.199 --> 01:20:23.579
A bit of dynamism with the movement.

1843
01:20:23.699 --> 01:20:25.500
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1844
01:20:25.560 --> 01:20:27.060
You can't do that with the enterprise.

1845
01:20:27.119 --> 01:20:30.060
Well, they tried in series 3 of Picard, and it looked absolutely

1846
01:20:30.060 --> 01:20:34.319
ridiculous when that shit...

1847
01:20:34.439 --> 01:20:36.479
It looks so terrible.

1848
01:20:36.659 --> 01:20:41.279
I remember in, it's like episode one and 2 of Picard, where they

1849
01:20:41.279 --> 01:20:44.760
make fun of the shape of the Enterprise D. It's the fat one, like

1850
01:20:44.760 --> 01:20:47.279
the Mott Noah wants to buy the model because it's the fat one.

1851
01:20:47.340 --> 01:20:51.539
I really like the fact that the Klingon torpedoes, when they hit

1852
01:20:51.539 --> 01:20:54.000
the ship, it's like green fire exploding.

1853
01:20:54.060 --> 01:20:55.319
Yeah, that's a nice look.

1854
01:20:55.380 --> 01:20:55.859
It's pretty good.

1855
01:20:55.979 --> 01:20:56.880
It looks great.

1856
01:20:56.939 --> 01:20:58.560
Oh, there's that scary woman again.

1857
01:20:58.619 --> 01:21:00.119
Oh, no, we didn't see her right.

1858
01:21:00.180 --> 01:21:01.739
I think she was lit weirdly.

1859
01:21:01.800 --> 01:21:03.239
Oh, Dax, fire phases.

1860
01:21:03.300 --> 01:21:04.199
Who the hell?

1861
01:21:05.039 --> 01:21:06.659
Oh no.

1862
01:21:06.779 --> 01:21:10.619
Every time you see Ducart looking a bit panicked like that, the

1863
01:21:10.619 --> 01:21:12.359
ship is literally blowing up around.

1864
01:21:13.260 --> 01:21:18.119
No, he's holding it together. literally holding its chair together

1865
01:21:18.119 --> 01:21:18.659
right now.

1866
01:21:20.159 --> 01:21:22.739
Oh, and there's a...

1867
01:21:22.800 --> 01:21:24.899
I mean, they don't even forget Bashir, don't they?

1868
01:21:24.960 --> 01:21:27.960
That bit where Dakut beams in and he's like, hold up your arm.

1869
01:21:28.020 --> 01:21:29.279
I'm going to do a blood screening.

1870
01:21:29.340 --> 01:21:30.359
Oh, wait.

1871
01:21:30.479 --> 01:21:32.220
She's exploded.

1872
01:21:32.279 --> 01:21:33.359
What, that woman?

1873
01:21:33.420 --> 01:21:37.380
Oh, she'll never give those terrifying eyes to anyone again.

1874
01:21:37.680 --> 01:21:40.199
It's so stupid.

1875
01:21:40.260 --> 01:21:43.439
That blowing up the consoles is so...

1876
01:21:43.500 --> 01:21:44.460
Well, they rocks, Nathan.

1877
01:21:44.520 --> 01:21:46.079
Oh, look at this now.

1878
01:21:46.140 --> 01:21:46.619
They're ready?

1879
01:21:46.739 --> 01:21:48.600
Bloody hell.

1880
01:21:48.720 --> 01:21:50.640
That's fantastic. isn't it?

1881
01:21:50.699 --> 01:21:53.579
Yeah, see, that's compositing the shots.

1882
01:21:53.640 --> 01:21:54.659
Like, that's brilliant.

1883
01:21:54.779 --> 01:21:55.439
Is it changing?

1884
01:21:55.439 --> 01:21:58.739
I'm doing the music in this one because that bit of music where

1885
01:21:58.739 --> 01:21:59.520
the ship comes through.

1886
01:21:59.579 --> 01:22:01.619
It's like, dun, dun, dun.

1887
01:22:01.680 --> 01:22:02.579
Oh, no, it's good stuff.

1888
01:22:02.640 --> 01:22:03.239
Is it good?

1889
01:22:03.300 --> 01:22:08.100
Well, I mean, they nick music from the movie, don't they, for the

1890
01:22:08.100 --> 01:22:09.359
final bit set piece.

1891
01:22:09.479 --> 01:22:11.100
Oh do they?

1892
01:22:11.159 --> 01:22:12.720
It's from, is it generations?

1893
01:22:12.779 --> 01:22:13.319
No, no.

1894
01:22:13.380 --> 01:22:15.600
I think it's from Star Trek 6.

1895
01:22:15.659 --> 01:22:18.420
They still, they still a movie movie.

1896
01:22:18.479 --> 01:22:20.460
So that music where there's the big fight on the station.

1897
01:22:20.520 --> 01:22:22.500
That's why it's loud and dynamic.

1898
01:22:22.619 --> 01:22:23.699
Oh wow, okay.

1899
01:22:23.819 --> 01:22:25.800
It's not your usual 90s trek.

1900
01:22:25.859 --> 01:22:27.359
Oh, yeah.

1901
01:22:27.359 --> 01:22:30.420
This, doing blood screenings on them is so good.

1902
01:22:30.479 --> 01:22:32.159
Josh, in case...

1903
01:22:32.159 --> 01:22:34.439
Multok was right. because they could have been right.

1904
01:22:34.500 --> 01:22:35.640
Miles was right.

1905
01:22:35.699 --> 01:22:37.260
Marto could have been right.

1906
01:22:37.319 --> 01:22:38.939
Oh, there was a little detail earlier.

1907
01:22:39.000 --> 01:22:42.960
I just wanted to say, because I forgot earlier, where there's an

1908
01:22:42.960 --> 01:22:46.140
administration detail where Kira says to Cisco, I was thinking of

1909
01:22:46.140 --> 01:22:49.920
beaming down the Bajoran civilian population, just in case things

1910
01:22:49.920 --> 01:22:51.479
get ropey back here on the station.

1911
01:22:51.600 --> 01:22:54.000
And it's just those, I love those details.

1912
01:22:54.060 --> 01:22:56.819
Yeah, I'm like, it doesn't need to be...

1913
01:22:56.880 --> 01:22:57.659
Yeah, don't they?

1914
01:22:57.720 --> 01:22:58.439
Well, they need to.

1915
01:22:58.920 --> 01:23:00.180
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1916
01:23:00.239 --> 01:23:00.600
Yeah.

1917
01:23:00.659 --> 01:23:04.979
Nathan, there are Bajoran deputies that are being thrown over that

1918
01:23:04.979 --> 01:23:07.859
bridge on the promenade with a massive green bolt in their chest.

1919
01:23:08.279 --> 01:23:08.880
Well that's right.

1920
01:23:08.939 --> 01:23:12.060
I mean, it wasn't like, you know, presumably there were lots of

1921
01:23:12.060 --> 01:23:16.079
children huddling in the kindergarten when the Borg were slicing

1922
01:23:16.079 --> 01:23:17.939
the Enterprise up in best of both worlds.

1923
01:23:18.119 --> 01:23:24.119
I think we could be right in assuming that this would be the only

1924
01:23:24.119 --> 01:23:29.039
action set piece in the episode because in the Dyer's cast, it was

1925
01:23:29.039 --> 01:23:31.739
just something like this, it was a couple of ships fighting

1926
01:23:31.739 --> 01:23:32.340
against each other.

1927
01:23:32.340 --> 01:23:34.319
And that's what we do in 90s straight, right?

1928
01:23:34.380 --> 01:23:35.279
That's all you normally see.

1929
01:23:35.579 --> 01:23:39.000
So when all the, when they go, right, we're heading back to the

1930
01:23:39.000 --> 01:23:39.359
station.

1931
01:23:39.420 --> 01:23:40.560
We've got company.

1932
01:23:40.619 --> 01:23:41.819
We're like, 0 my God.

1933
01:23:41.880 --> 01:23:42.960
Yeah, that's great.

1934
01:23:43.020 --> 01:23:43.920
Yeah, yeah.

1935
01:23:43.979 --> 01:23:45.899
You would think that we head back to the station for the end of

1936
01:23:45.899 --> 01:23:46.800
the episode. right?

1937
01:23:46.859 --> 01:23:50.460
After this, they've rescued the Datapa Council, and then we have

1938
01:23:50.460 --> 01:23:51.119
the Klingons.

1939
01:23:51.180 --> 01:23:51.720
Yeah.

1940
01:23:51.779 --> 01:23:55.680
Oh, it's just a bit where we see that enormous Klingon ship blow

1941
01:23:55.680 --> 01:23:55.920
up.

1942
01:23:55.979 --> 01:23:56.640
I think it is.

1943
01:23:56.640 --> 01:23:58.020
Wait for it.

1944
01:23:58.140 --> 01:24:00.060
Oh, see, we're heading back to Dennis.

1945
01:24:00.119 --> 01:24:00.899
Wait, wait, wait.

1946
01:24:00.960 --> 01:24:02.520
Oh no, it's the Kardashian ship, sorry, ready?

1947
01:24:03.420 --> 01:24:03.960
Boom.

1948
01:24:04.020 --> 01:24:06.239
And then the Klingon ship literally goes through the fire.

1949
01:24:06.300 --> 01:24:08.579
That's wonderful, isn't it?

1950
01:24:08.640 --> 01:24:09.720
So good.

1951
01:24:09.779 --> 01:24:13.500
That's virtually the shot they did with the Defiant earlier, though

1952
01:24:13.500 --> 01:24:13.859
to be fair.

1953
01:24:13.920 --> 01:24:16.560
Although, I think, you know, we're back on the station, but we

1954
01:24:16.560 --> 01:24:18.300
still have like 25 minutes to go.

1955
01:24:18.359 --> 01:24:21.960
So I think that um, or you have to be expecting something.

1956
01:24:22.319 --> 01:24:25.859
Probably a bit more talk, you know, we're expecting normally.

1957
01:24:26.220 --> 01:24:30.600
I love the blood screening thing like this conversation between

1958
01:24:30.600 --> 01:24:33.479
again, What are we doing with Bashir?

1959
01:24:33.539 --> 01:24:37.140
We're establishing that he's not quite the callow youth that he

1960
01:24:37.140 --> 01:24:40.439
was 4 years ago. stand up to Dakar.

1961
01:24:40.500 --> 01:24:41.760
I find you offensive.

1962
01:24:41.880 --> 01:24:42.960
He goes, hold up your eye.

1963
01:24:43.020 --> 01:24:45.539
Yes, that's that's a great line too.

1964
01:24:45.600 --> 01:24:49.680
I thought it was annoying, but it's not, you know, like, you can't

1965
01:24:49.680 --> 01:24:51.600
is properly...

1966
01:24:51.659 --> 01:24:53.340
Odo says to Bashir.

1967
01:24:53.399 --> 01:24:56.760
Don't expect that Federation uniform to protect you when they come

1968
01:24:56.760 --> 01:24:57.239
on the station.

1969
01:24:57.300 --> 01:24:58.619
Here's a gun.

1970
01:24:58.800 --> 01:25:00.180
Yeah.

1971
01:25:00.239 --> 01:25:01.920
And we see him use it too.

1972
01:25:01.979 --> 01:25:04.560
Oh, it looks like I won Benjamin.

1973
01:25:04.619 --> 01:25:04.979
What that?

1974
01:25:05.039 --> 01:25:07.859
I bet it...

1975
01:25:08.100 --> 01:25:09.420
You would thank him for the rescue.

1976
01:25:13.140 --> 01:25:15.420
I know she goes.

1977
01:25:15.899 --> 01:25:20.399
Captain, are you aware there's a Klingon on your bridge?

1978
01:25:20.520 --> 01:25:24.239
Now, they have great tension between them, a lame o and door.

1979
01:25:24.300 --> 01:25:25.859
This is their meeting for the 1st time.

1980
01:25:25.920 --> 01:25:27.779
They crackle whenever they're together.

1981
01:25:27.840 --> 01:25:29.039
Yeah.

1982
01:25:30.119 --> 01:25:32.220
I mean, it's very funny.

1983
01:25:32.279 --> 01:25:35.220
Do you remember the bit where Dukart's the person and his Klingon

1984
01:25:35.220 --> 01:25:38.699
ship that he has later on, he's the one that takes them all to

1985
01:25:38.699 --> 01:25:42.539
Kronos when they're all turned into Klingons and Apocalypse

1986
01:25:42.539 --> 01:25:42.899
Rising.

1987
01:25:42.960 --> 01:25:46.680
He goes, no, I consider my amusement for you all looking like

1988
01:25:46.680 --> 01:25:49.680
Klingons adequate payment for taking you there.

1989
01:25:52.199 --> 01:25:54.899
Oh boy, oh boy.

1990
01:25:55.020 --> 01:25:57.180
This is one of my favourite scenes in Star Trek.

1991
01:25:57.239 --> 01:26:02.220
So this scene was originally written because the episode was

1992
01:26:02.220 --> 01:26:02.819
running short.

1993
01:26:03.720 --> 01:26:08.699
And then the episode ended up running long and then they wanted to

1994
01:26:08.699 --> 01:26:08.939
cut it.

1995
01:26:09.000 --> 01:26:10.859
I repair said no, right?

1996
01:26:10.920 --> 01:26:11.340
didn't it?

1997
01:26:11.399 --> 01:26:12.119
He said no way.

1998
01:26:12.180 --> 01:26:12.720
Yeah.

1999
01:26:12.720 --> 01:26:16.500
And then the other thing too was that these guys just wanted it to

2000
01:26:16.500 --> 01:26:18.359
be a goofy scene about root beer.

2001
01:26:20.159 --> 01:26:26.460
And they went, no, no, no, we're doing this about the Federation.

2002
01:26:26.520 --> 01:26:30.119
What I think is a funny thing about it is, have you ever tried

2003
01:26:30.119 --> 01:26:31.020
root beer?

2004
01:26:31.140 --> 01:26:32.340
It's disgusting.

2005
01:26:32.460 --> 01:26:35.579
Yeah, absolutely appalling.

2006
01:26:35.640 --> 01:26:36.899
You know what though, Nathan?

2007
01:26:36.960 --> 01:26:38.220
The more you drink of it.

2008
01:26:38.279 --> 01:26:40.140
The more you start to like it.

2009
01:26:40.199 --> 01:26:43.739
No, it's insidious. never given myself the opportunity.

2010
01:26:43.800 --> 01:26:49.859
So yeah, this is part of my theory that 4 Deep Space 9 and the

2011
01:26:49.859 --> 01:26:53.460
writing team on Deep Space 9, the Federation is more definitely

2012
01:26:53.460 --> 01:26:58.020
just America than it is on other shows.

2013
01:26:58.079 --> 01:27:00.359
And, you know, like...

2014
01:27:00.420 --> 01:27:01.079
Yeah.

2015
01:27:01.199 --> 01:27:04.199
So remember, it's still a USS enterprise, right?

2016
01:27:04.260 --> 01:27:08.039
So the idea is that it was the United States and it's called the

2017
01:27:08.039 --> 01:27:10.439
United Federation of Planets, you know.

2018
01:27:10.500 --> 01:27:14.880
So in a sense, it is America, but there's a sense, you know, they

2019
01:27:14.880 --> 01:27:19.800
put an Englishman in charge of the Enterprise D on TNG, and they

2020
01:27:19.800 --> 01:27:21.720
try and pull it away from there.

2021
01:27:21.779 --> 01:27:27.239
But this is a place where this is a thing where we use the

2022
01:27:27.239 --> 01:27:29.939
Federation to critique America from the left, yeah.

2023
01:27:30.000 --> 01:27:30.720
That's so great.

2024
01:27:30.779 --> 01:27:32.460
But it considers Quark as well.

2025
01:27:32.579 --> 01:27:36.359
Quark's position here, why he likes being a bartender.

2026
01:27:36.420 --> 01:27:40.439
He goes, now Gala owns his own moon and I'm stuck here staring

2027
01:27:40.439 --> 01:27:44.699
into the abyss with the Federation for my only salvation.

2028
01:27:44.760 --> 01:27:45.420
It's great.

2029
01:27:45.479 --> 01:27:47.640
No, but isn't that that funny?

2030
01:27:47.699 --> 01:27:51.180
Is it the funny line about how your charm would be wasted?

2031
01:27:51.239 --> 01:27:55.319
Like, he says that you never get to, you know, you get to interact

2032
01:27:55.319 --> 01:27:56.520
with your customers.

2033
01:27:56.520 --> 01:28:00.659
And Garak just hilariously says your charm would be so wasted.

2034
01:28:00.720 --> 01:28:01.319
It's wonderful.

2035
01:28:01.380 --> 01:28:04.380
The way the almond plays a scene.

2036
01:28:04.439 --> 01:28:07.920
He goes, you know, it's so bubbling and cloy, just like the

2037
01:28:07.920 --> 01:28:08.640
Federation.

2038
01:28:08.699 --> 01:28:10.680
Are they really playing it for real?

2039
01:28:10.739 --> 01:28:16.560
But Garak bigs it up there too, where he smiles and goes, oh, this

2040
01:28:16.560 --> 01:28:19.260
is someone who understands what I think.

2041
01:28:19.319 --> 01:28:22.680
Like it's, he's so presentational in the way that he acts.

2042
01:28:22.739 --> 01:28:23.340
It's wonderful.

2043
01:28:23.399 --> 01:28:26.039
Do you think they'll be able to save us?

2044
01:28:26.159 --> 01:28:28.439
I mean, they're in the same boat, a pair of them.

2045
01:28:28.500 --> 01:28:29.520
Yeah, that's it.

2046
01:28:29.579 --> 01:28:31.260
That's the worst thing about it.

2047
01:28:31.319 --> 01:28:32.220
They need them.

2048
01:28:32.279 --> 01:28:35.819
These fucking people that we've been lumbered with are our only

2049
01:28:35.819 --> 01:28:36.479
salvation.

2050
01:28:36.960 --> 01:28:41.279
It's such a great scene, but unfortunately, it's topped in a

2051
01:28:41.279 --> 01:28:47.399
minute. by the disruptor scene between Odo and Quark, which is...

2052
01:28:47.399 --> 01:28:51.539
I missed that because that is cut from the two-part version that I

2053
01:28:51.539 --> 01:28:54.000
watched in preparation. rageous.

2054
01:28:54.060 --> 01:28:58.500
Well, I think you actually took special time to show it to me at

2055
01:28:58.500 --> 01:29:03.600
one point. just as an example of what this show can do with

2056
01:29:03.600 --> 01:29:04.260
dialogue.

2057
01:29:04.319 --> 01:29:05.819
Oh, a cool, yeah, go.

2058
01:29:05.880 --> 01:29:06.659
The Klingons.

2059
01:29:06.720 --> 01:29:08.279
First it was a Kardashian.

2060
01:29:08.340 --> 01:29:09.659
Then it was the Domitian.

2061
01:29:09.720 --> 01:29:11.579
Now it's the Klingon.

2062
01:29:11.640 --> 01:29:16.859
He's just making fun of the premise of the show It's like this

2063
01:29:16.859 --> 01:29:17.939
bloody show.

2064
01:29:18.539 --> 01:29:21.720
How am I supposed to make a living in a place like this?

2065
01:29:21.960 --> 01:29:27.300
I mean, he was there in that 1st episode delivering, you know

2066
01:29:27.300 --> 01:29:30.600
condemning lines about Bajor on the Federation.

2067
01:29:30.659 --> 01:29:35.460
It's a, it's, even as late as the siege of AR 558. you know, he

2068
01:29:35.460 --> 01:29:36.539
was doing there as well.

2069
01:29:36.600 --> 01:29:38.520
He's a great character quark.

2070
01:29:38.579 --> 01:29:42.000
But here he's doing comedy lines riffing on the premise of the

2071
01:29:42.000 --> 01:29:42.899
show. isn't he?

2072
01:29:42.899 --> 01:29:43.500
like, isn't he?

2073
01:29:43.560 --> 01:29:44.520
He just making fun of the show?

2074
01:29:44.640 --> 01:29:46.560
I mean, though, too.

2075
01:29:46.560 --> 01:29:48.420
This is supposed to be a space mall.

2076
01:29:48.479 --> 01:29:52.140
Do you remember when they when they rip Bashir's hollow suite

2077
01:29:52.140 --> 01:29:54.720
program, you know, they do this a lot, take the piss out of their

2078
01:29:54.720 --> 01:29:56.100
cliches of the show.

2079
01:29:56.159 --> 01:29:56.880
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

2080
01:29:56.880 --> 01:29:59.399
That ridiculous secret agent program.

2081
01:29:59.460 --> 01:30:00.960
How many ships did they have there?

2082
01:30:01.020 --> 01:30:02.279
Yeah, yeah.

2083
01:30:02.340 --> 01:30:03.180
Yeah.

2084
01:30:03.239 --> 01:30:04.500
And they could duplicate them and stuff.

2085
01:30:04.619 --> 01:30:08.520
Several dozen. they're in an attack formation.

2086
01:30:08.640 --> 01:30:11.880
Even now, I thought, okay, fine, they're going to talk their way

2087
01:30:11.880 --> 01:30:12.300
out of this.

2088
01:30:12.359 --> 01:30:17.159
And then when Cisco goes, weapon stations, I was like, 0 boy.

2089
01:30:17.460 --> 01:30:20.520
No, because they have to make this land.

2090
01:30:20.579 --> 01:30:22.859
We're not going to be the status quo at the end.

2091
01:30:22.920 --> 01:30:27.479
We're not going to reinstate the, the, um, the treaty or

2092
01:30:27.479 --> 01:30:27.720
anything.

2093
01:30:27.779 --> 01:30:30.659
You know what the best continuity callback is, though.

2094
01:30:30.720 --> 01:30:35.520
It's the bit where he says about the geranium shields.

2095
01:30:35.579 --> 01:30:36.539
Yeah.

2096
01:30:36.539 --> 01:30:37.260
Yeah.

2097
01:30:37.319 --> 01:30:38.340
Which is from emissary, right?

2098
01:30:38.399 --> 01:30:41.399
That's what that's exactly the fame they pull off in emissary

2099
01:30:41.460 --> 01:30:42.180
brilliant isn't it?

2100
01:30:42.239 --> 01:30:43.680
Except this time, it's real.

2101
01:30:43.800 --> 01:30:44.399
It's real.

2102
01:30:44.460 --> 01:30:46.140
And that...

2103
01:30:46.140 --> 01:30:50.880
But don't you think that's the show having a do-over?

2104
01:30:50.939 --> 01:30:55.500
Like the trouble with emissary is that the show isn't tough enough

2105
01:30:55.500 --> 01:31:00.359
yet and that they have to, they're still so Star Trek for them

2106
01:31:00.420 --> 01:31:00.960
though, right?

2107
01:31:01.020 --> 01:31:02.159
They were vulnerable.

2108
01:31:02.220 --> 01:31:03.840
So they had to improvise.

2109
01:31:03.840 --> 01:31:04.800
And that really worked then.

2110
01:31:04.859 --> 01:31:05.579
That's right.

2111
01:31:05.640 --> 01:31:06.359
It really worked.

2112
01:31:06.420 --> 01:31:09.060
But now it's just like, no, fuck it, we're giving them big guns.

2113
01:31:09.300 --> 01:31:11.640
I'm scared you're going to mock it.

2114
01:31:11.699 --> 01:31:14.579
But when those bloody photon things start coming out of the upper

2115
01:31:14.579 --> 01:31:17.399
pylons, I just look awesome. love it.

2116
01:31:17.460 --> 01:31:21.060
It's like, wonderful.

2117
01:31:21.119 --> 01:31:22.439
They look great.

2118
01:31:22.500 --> 01:31:23.640
Oh boy.

2119
01:31:23.760 --> 01:31:24.239
Oh, here we go.

2120
01:31:24.300 --> 01:31:25.020
Yeah, this same.

2121
01:31:25.079 --> 01:31:25.859
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

2122
01:31:25.920 --> 01:31:27.539
You might end up having to defend yourself.

2123
01:31:27.600 --> 01:31:28.859
Yeah.

2124
01:31:28.920 --> 01:31:31.260
And again, why is this scene here?

2125
01:31:31.319 --> 01:31:32.699
Why is this scene here?

2126
01:31:32.760 --> 01:31:34.979
Because we care about Bashir, right?

2127
01:31:35.699 --> 01:31:40.020
And it to give these 2 a chance to just establish their

2128
01:31:40.020 --> 01:31:41.819
relationship again so we get to see that?

2129
01:31:41.880 --> 01:31:43.739
Has anyone not had a moment in this?

2130
01:31:43.800 --> 01:31:45.720
It's a true ensemble piece, isn it?

2131
01:31:45.779 --> 01:31:47.279
I think everyone's had their little moment.

2132
01:31:47.880 --> 01:31:52.560
Except that it does focus in the middle section, it focusses very

2133
01:31:52.560 --> 01:31:55.979
strongly on wharf as the 1st character, but they don't neglect

2134
01:31:55.979 --> 01:31:56.520
everyone else.

2135
01:31:56.579 --> 01:31:58.199
What was that alien?

2136
01:31:58.260 --> 01:31:58.859
you see that there?

2137
01:31:58.920 --> 01:32:00.060
Evacuated?

2138
01:32:00.060 --> 01:32:01.079
That was great, wasn't it?

2139
01:32:01.140 --> 01:32:02.279
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

2140
01:32:02.340 --> 01:32:02.880
Oh here we go.

2141
01:32:02.939 --> 01:32:03.960
Come on, Quark.

2142
01:32:04.020 --> 01:32:05.039
It should be a new emergency.

2143
01:32:05.100 --> 01:32:06.840
I'm not going to any emergency show.

2144
01:32:06.899 --> 01:32:08.640
Oh, this is my bar and I'm going to defend it.

2145
01:32:08.699 --> 01:32:09.300
Really?

2146
01:32:09.359 --> 01:32:11.520
How's your plan to do that with this?

2147
01:32:11.579 --> 01:32:13.920
You're going to hit them with a box.

2148
01:32:15.720 --> 01:32:17.460
So good.

2149
01:32:17.520 --> 01:32:20.939
It's so funny It's absolutely not.

2150
01:32:21.000 --> 01:32:22.439
I thought you were the ship's cook.

2151
01:32:22.500 --> 01:32:24.899
Every member of that crew thought it was a food critic.

2152
01:32:24.960 --> 01:32:27.600
This is so properly funny.

2153
01:32:27.659 --> 01:32:30.239
And again, there's nothing in it.

2154
01:32:30.359 --> 01:32:32.039
Get quiet.

2155
01:32:32.039 --> 01:32:35.100
I guess parts of your disruptor to fix the replicators will return

2156
01:32:35.100 --> 01:32:36.779
them soon. rum.

2157
01:32:36.840 --> 01:32:39.180
I won't kill him with what?

2158
01:32:39.239 --> 01:32:40.020
With what?

2159
01:32:40.380 --> 01:32:42.420
It's so good.

2160
01:32:42.479 --> 01:32:47.579
It's like, when the, like, that's proper comedy dialogue that

2161
01:32:47.579 --> 01:32:48.659
depends on the characters.

2162
01:32:48.720 --> 01:32:50.279
The pacing as well.

2163
01:32:50.340 --> 01:32:52.079
They've got to get that right. you know?

2164
01:32:52.140 --> 01:32:58.140
And and what we do is we have a touching scene between Odo and

2165
01:32:58.140 --> 01:33:03.479
Bashir, and then a ridiculous scene between Odo and Quan, straight

2166
01:33:03.479 --> 01:33:04.079
one after the other.

2167
01:33:04.140 --> 01:33:06.239
And then a wonderful scene.

2168
01:33:06.359 --> 01:33:11.340
I wanted to make sure that the council members were safe. having

2169
01:33:11.340 --> 01:33:14.579
no doubt that your concern would carry political favour.

2170
01:33:14.640 --> 01:33:15.479
Oh, please.

2171
01:33:17.399 --> 01:33:19.739
It's when he stands next to him.

2172
01:33:19.800 --> 01:33:23.399
He stands next to him and goes, you may just need my help.

2173
01:33:23.760 --> 01:33:27.960
But it's also, like, you can't say, oh, Yeah, you're just sucking

2174
01:33:27.960 --> 01:33:29.220
up to the Datapa Council.

2175
01:33:29.279 --> 01:33:30.300
It's kind of like, really?

2176
01:33:30.359 --> 01:33:31.079
What were you doing?

2177
01:33:31.800 --> 01:33:36.060
Nathan, why don't you go back to your little tailor shop and sew

2178
01:33:36.060 --> 01:33:36.479
something?

2179
01:33:37.319 --> 01:33:39.359
Oh my god.

2180
01:33:40.739 --> 01:33:43.680
I fucking love these people so much.

2181
01:33:43.739 --> 01:33:45.060
It's so great.

2182
01:33:45.119 --> 01:33:47.460
Why don't people not like doing a style?

2183
01:33:47.520 --> 01:33:48.779
I don't understand you people.

2184
01:33:49.140 --> 01:33:52.920
I have to think so something should have been more specific.

2185
01:33:52.979 --> 01:33:54.000
Do you know what I mean?

2186
01:33:54.060 --> 01:33:56.640
It should have been about zippers or buttonholes or something much

2187
01:33:56.640 --> 01:33:58.739
more specific, it would have been funny.

2188
01:33:58.800 --> 01:33:59.939
Yeah, yeah.

2189
01:34:00.000 --> 01:34:03.600
No, no, like if it had been more about like actual specific

2190
01:34:03.600 --> 01:34:04.920
things.

2191
01:34:04.979 --> 01:34:06.300
That's always funnier, I think.

2192
01:34:06.359 --> 01:34:11.100
But just those actors. doesn't care to know about tailoring, I

2193
01:34:11.100 --> 01:34:11.279
guess.

2194
01:34:11.340 --> 01:34:15.300
God, I mean, they cast so well, these secondary cast, didn't

2195
01:34:15.300 --> 01:34:15.420
they?

2196
01:34:15.479 --> 01:34:17.340
They're all rewards.

2197
01:34:17.340 --> 01:34:21.000
They reaped by giving them lots of time to grow and develop.

2198
01:34:21.720 --> 01:34:26.159
Is this, like, this is our big scene now we're in ops for the big

2199
01:34:26.159 --> 01:34:28.859
climax, you know, and we think it's the climax.

2200
01:34:28.920 --> 01:34:31.859
We think we're going to talk our way out of it, but it's still 14

2201
01:34:31.859 --> 01:34:32.699
minutes from the end.

2202
01:34:32.760 --> 01:34:35.579
It is of no consequence.

2203
01:34:35.640 --> 01:34:36.539
Let's go.

2204
01:34:39.180 --> 01:34:44.220
This is all I want from television is too Hammy Klingons.

2205
01:34:44.220 --> 01:34:46.680
Firing against April Brooks.

2206
01:34:46.739 --> 01:34:50.939
It's all I need in my life Are you prepared to risk all out war

2207
01:34:50.939 --> 01:34:51.720
with the Federation?

2208
01:34:51.779 --> 01:34:53.159
I mean, it feels huge.

2209
01:34:53.520 --> 01:34:55.380
Yeah, yeah.

2210
01:34:55.380 --> 01:34:56.159
This is war.

2211
01:34:56.579 --> 01:34:57.960
Yeah.

2212
01:34:58.079 --> 01:35:02.640
But as we said, this is something very close to the premise of the

2213
01:35:02.640 --> 01:35:02.819
show.

2214
01:35:03.840 --> 01:35:06.659
Consider what you're doing, Captain.

2215
01:35:06.720 --> 01:35:09.600
The lives of everybody on your station are at risk.

2216
01:35:12.180 --> 01:35:16.560
I'm sorry, I know I'm just quoting now, but the lines are so

2217
01:35:16.560 --> 01:35:16.920
good.

2218
01:35:16.979 --> 01:35:18.840
Oh, was it?

2219
01:35:18.899 --> 01:35:23.159
You're like a tooth flesh old grishnarcat trying to frighten us

2220
01:35:23.159 --> 01:35:25.199
with your raw.

2221
01:35:25.380 --> 01:35:31.979
So there's a crappy Star Trek line for it. 5000 photon torpedoes

2222
01:35:31.979 --> 01:35:32.760
he just said that.

2223
01:35:32.819 --> 01:35:34.800
I mean that's quite a lot of torpedoes, isn't it?

2224
01:35:35.100 --> 01:35:37.500
Look at the reaction shot.

2225
01:35:37.560 --> 01:35:41.699
Like everyone kind of boggles and looks across to that guy and

2226
01:35:41.699 --> 01:35:43.079
that guy just goes, yeah.

2227
01:35:43.500 --> 01:35:49.020
So what's great in emissary, he says they also say it's a trick.

2228
01:35:49.079 --> 01:35:53.039
It's a, you know, fore on sheets and geranium shadows and it is

2229
01:35:53.039 --> 01:35:54.479
but he goes, well, what if it's not?

2230
01:35:54.539 --> 01:35:57.119
This time we go, oh, fuck it. invade.

2231
01:35:57.180 --> 01:35:57.600
Let's go.

2232
01:35:57.720 --> 01:35:59.460
Yeah, yeah.

2233
01:35:59.699 --> 01:36:04.560
Oh, oh, that's a lovely short underneath of the Klingons.

2234
01:36:04.619 --> 01:36:05.399
Yeah, yeah.

2235
01:36:05.460 --> 01:36:06.000
Yeah.

2236
01:36:06.060 --> 01:36:09.779
And see these ones, the Klingons at the very tail end of that shot

2237
01:36:09.779 --> 01:36:13.260
it just like standard TOS Klingon chips.

2238
01:36:13.319 --> 01:36:14.279
So great.

2239
01:36:14.340 --> 01:36:15.479
They look so good.

2240
01:36:15.600 --> 01:36:20.640
A visual creative choice here that I just love, and it's when the

2241
01:36:20.640 --> 01:36:26.399
torpedoes are firing, the camera follows the torpedo all the way

2242
01:36:26.399 --> 01:36:30.840
to the ship and the explosion, and it's so dynamic for 90s Strek.

2243
01:36:30.899 --> 01:36:32.880
Oh, look at these coming out of the pylons.

2244
01:36:32.880 --> 01:36:34.619
I know, this is so cool.

2245
01:36:34.680 --> 01:36:36.479
Fire on my mark.

2246
01:36:36.539 --> 01:36:37.260
Here we go.

2247
01:36:37.500 --> 01:36:40.380
Could I do the torpedo noise, please?

2248
01:36:41.579 --> 01:36:44.220
So they look so great.

2249
01:36:44.279 --> 01:36:45.479
They look so good.

2250
01:36:45.600 --> 01:36:49.800
So we, and they just slam into the things, don't they?

2251
01:36:49.859 --> 01:36:51.659
Fireworks everywhere.

2252
01:36:51.720 --> 01:36:53.819
Close-ups on Avery Brooks.

2253
01:36:53.880 --> 01:36:54.899
I mean what do you need?

2254
01:36:55.079 --> 01:37:00.000
It's really good, and then the Klingons actually invade, for God's

2255
01:37:00.000 --> 01:37:00.300
sake.

2256
01:37:00.359 --> 01:37:03.119
The bit, the fight, look at the faces.

2257
01:37:03.180 --> 01:37:04.560
They're just going in every direction.

2258
01:37:04.619 --> 01:37:06.899
Well, yeah, yeah, yeah.

2259
01:37:06.960 --> 01:37:10.140
Because they're like those big phaser emitters, you know, on the

2260
01:37:10.140 --> 01:37:11.520
on the saucer of the enterprise.

2261
01:37:11.579 --> 01:37:14.520
That beautiful shock above the thing with the Klingon.

2262
01:37:14.520 --> 01:37:15.420
They do that a couple of times.

2263
01:37:15.479 --> 01:37:17.279
They do it in... as well.

2264
01:37:17.340 --> 01:37:20.939
Well, because you sort of see the whole battle from above, don't

2265
01:37:20.939 --> 01:37:21.060
you?

2266
01:37:21.119 --> 01:37:22.140
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

2267
01:37:22.199 --> 01:37:22.680
Looks great.

2268
01:37:22.739 --> 01:37:26.100
And then Cisco goes, oh, sod it. weapon stations, fire at will

2269
01:37:26.159 --> 01:37:28.079
yeah just fire all of them.

2270
01:37:28.140 --> 01:37:29.880
I'm done barking the orders.

2271
01:37:30.960 --> 01:37:32.880
It looks so great.

2272
01:37:32.939 --> 01:37:35.279
And they've put him up against that red light, have you noticed?

2273
01:37:35.399 --> 01:37:36.539
Yeah, yeah.

2274
01:37:36.600 --> 01:37:38.579
This, that's the show.

2275
01:37:39.119 --> 01:37:41.340
Yeah, yeah, yeah. really good, isn't it?

2276
01:37:41.399 --> 01:37:44.579
It's unusually dynamic for 90s trek.

2277
01:37:44.640 --> 01:37:45.239
Yeah, yeah.

2278
01:37:45.300 --> 01:37:48.539
And yeah, you're right. slamming into the ships.

2279
01:37:48.659 --> 01:37:50.819
Yeah, yeah, it's great.

2280
01:37:50.939 --> 01:37:52.979
Oh now we get a whole scene in Klingon.

2281
01:37:57.840 --> 01:38:00.479
He even hams that up, look.

2282
01:38:01.199 --> 01:38:03.600
Look at their torpedoes.

2283
01:38:03.659 --> 01:38:05.819
I know how it blows the shit out of ops, look.

2284
01:38:05.880 --> 01:38:07.260
Yeah, looks great.

2285
01:38:07.380 --> 01:38:09.539
Oh, there's that guy. 2 people fell over.

2286
01:38:09.600 --> 01:38:11.159
Consoles are exploding.

2287
01:38:11.220 --> 01:38:13.079
Oh, wait, look, Dead Space.

2288
01:38:13.140 --> 01:38:14.819
You know the Klingons are about to beam in.

2289
01:38:14.880 --> 01:38:21.180
Yeah, they're going to appear. my only objection.

2290
01:38:21.239 --> 01:38:24.420
I do love all this action is look, one shot, one shot.

2291
01:38:24.479 --> 01:38:26.399
One shot, one shot.

2292
01:38:26.460 --> 01:38:29.399
There's not quite the chaos we get later.

2293
01:38:29.460 --> 01:38:34.020
But it's as leisurely as best of both worlds.

2294
01:38:34.079 --> 01:38:37.140
It cuts straight to the promenade and 2 men get thrown off their

2295
01:38:37.140 --> 01:38:38.340
head. off their feet.

2296
01:38:38.399 --> 01:38:39.420
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

2297
01:38:39.479 --> 01:38:42.779
And then the way this transitions with the man falling over the

2298
01:38:42.779 --> 01:38:47.100
bridge down to a fight on the lower level is so great, ready?

2299
01:38:47.159 --> 01:38:49.199
Oh, there he goes.

2300
01:38:49.260 --> 01:38:50.640
Yeah, that's awesome.

2301
01:38:52.020 --> 01:38:56.100
Yeah, that pan was motivated by the guy falling off the

2302
01:38:56.100 --> 01:38:56.760
prominence.

2303
01:38:56.819 --> 01:38:57.720
This is really great.

2304
01:38:57.720 --> 01:39:00.119
And then Julian saves Odo.

2305
01:39:00.180 --> 01:39:01.800
Anytime after that conversation.

2306
01:39:01.859 --> 01:39:06.000
I find this hard to hard combat really quite distasteful.

2307
01:39:06.060 --> 01:39:09.899
I suppose you prefer the simplicity of an interrogation chain back

2308
01:39:09.899 --> 01:39:11.100
and then the zinger.

2309
01:39:11.159 --> 01:39:14.159
You have to admit, it's much more civilised.

2310
01:39:15.300 --> 01:39:18.600
He's literally massacring people.

2311
01:39:18.659 --> 01:39:19.859
Shooting people, yeah.

2312
01:39:20.159 --> 01:39:21.000
Yeah, it's true.

2313
01:39:21.060 --> 01:39:23.699
Oh, Nathan, man, this is the stuff.

2314
01:39:23.939 --> 01:39:26.579
Look at Avery.

2315
01:39:26.640 --> 01:39:30.180
Oh, this is where Kira gets stabbed. wait for it And she really

2316
01:39:30.180 --> 01:39:32.579
goes down as well. you see a bit of blood.

2317
01:39:32.939 --> 01:39:35.340
Oh, right in the stomach.

2318
01:39:35.399 --> 01:39:36.899
Oh, yeah, no, she's got, yep.

2319
01:39:36.960 --> 01:39:39.239
She does beat the shit out of those stabs.

2320
01:39:39.300 --> 01:39:40.560
She does it when she's pregnant.

2321
01:39:40.619 --> 01:39:42.180
She's a tough bitch.

2322
01:39:42.899 --> 01:39:47.039
Oh, Wolf looks cool as well when he fights Cleon.

2323
01:39:47.100 --> 01:39:48.479
Yeah, well, he was born to do that.

2324
01:39:48.539 --> 01:39:50.699
He takes out the one behind him without even looking.

2325
01:39:50.819 --> 01:39:52.500
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

2326
01:39:52.560 --> 01:39:56.039
He just gets him on the back hand. punched in the face there.

2327
01:39:56.220 --> 01:39:58.439
Blood coming out of his eye.

2328
01:39:58.500 --> 01:40:01.319
I mean, Nathan, will you take a look at how many bodies they've

2329
01:40:01.319 --> 01:40:02.039
got clear up here.

2330
01:40:02.100 --> 01:40:03.239
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

2331
01:40:03.300 --> 01:40:04.199
They're just.

2332
01:40:04.979 --> 01:40:06.840
It's huge.

2333
01:40:06.899 --> 01:40:07.800
It's ridiculous.

2334
01:40:07.859 --> 01:40:10.680
Oh, I did see stuntwoman decks there just for a second.

2335
01:40:10.739 --> 01:40:14.520
I mean, there's a pan across and you've just seen the bodies

2336
01:40:14.520 --> 01:40:16.140
including Kira.

2337
01:40:16.260 --> 01:40:17.699
Yep.

2338
01:40:17.760 --> 01:40:18.960
Wow.

2339
01:40:19.020 --> 01:40:20.880
There's a federation officer there too.

2340
01:40:20.939 --> 01:40:26.279
That was about 3 or 4 minutes of nonstop action. you don't

2341
01:40:26.279 --> 01:40:26.819
normally get that.

2342
01:40:27.060 --> 01:40:28.920
No, no, no.

2343
01:40:28.979 --> 01:40:30.000
It's really good.

2344
01:40:30.060 --> 01:40:30.840
It's probably good.

2345
01:40:30.899 --> 01:40:32.939
It is a bit of a mission statement, I think.

2346
01:40:33.060 --> 01:40:34.920
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

2347
01:40:34.979 --> 01:40:37.560
Like nowadays, we get action like this all episode.

2348
01:40:37.619 --> 01:40:41.279
I remember hege enemy, you know, like it's like this pace all the

2349
01:40:41.279 --> 01:40:41.520
way through.

2350
01:40:42.119 --> 01:40:44.340
And I like that.

2351
01:40:44.399 --> 01:40:45.060
Do you know what I mean?

2352
01:40:45.119 --> 01:40:46.380
Like, I like action.

2353
01:40:46.439 --> 01:40:47.640
Look this, this is great.

2354
01:40:47.699 --> 01:40:50.100
He's a newscaster in this certain shock.

2355
01:40:51.000 --> 01:40:55.859
And you don't really need the firefight on the 2 levels there

2356
01:40:55.859 --> 01:40:56.340
behind him.

2357
01:40:56.399 --> 01:40:58.140
But you know, let's do it.

2358
01:40:58.199 --> 01:40:59.159
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

2359
01:40:59.220 --> 01:41:02.699
My favourite thing in that whole sequence, beyond following the

2360
01:41:02.699 --> 01:41:07.319
torpedoes, is the fella who falls off the promenade and it comes

2361
01:41:07.319 --> 01:41:07.920
to...

2362
01:41:07.920 --> 01:41:10.739
Yeah, and you go down and it's a wonderful transition.

2363
01:41:10.800 --> 01:41:11.819
Yeah.

2364
01:41:11.880 --> 01:41:13.680
Oh, this is great.

2365
01:41:13.739 --> 01:41:16.199
Maybe Gauron will be in the mood to talk.

2366
01:41:19.260 --> 01:41:24.180
Oh, and Cisco is so smug now, but he's got like blood and sweat

2367
01:41:24.180 --> 01:41:25.020
all over his face.

2368
01:41:25.079 --> 01:41:26.760
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

2369
01:41:26.819 --> 01:41:27.479
Yep, yeah.

2370
01:41:27.539 --> 01:41:32.159
I can't remember a time when I saw Captain Picard looking like

2371
01:41:32.159 --> 01:41:32.399
that.

2372
01:41:32.460 --> 01:41:33.479
No no.

2373
01:41:33.539 --> 01:41:35.100
Oh, maybe Starship.

2374
01:41:35.100 --> 01:41:35.880
Maybe.

2375
01:41:35.939 --> 01:41:37.319
Maybe Chain of Command.

2376
01:41:38.039 --> 01:41:41.159
Yeah, yeah, yeah. was being tortured in that one.

2377
01:41:44.220 --> 01:41:47.939
We will not surrender, says Martok.

2378
01:41:48.000 --> 01:41:49.739
Yeah, and this is great.

2379
01:41:49.800 --> 01:41:53.760
So they actually do do their thing.

2380
01:41:53.819 --> 01:41:55.979
After the fighting, there has to be talking.

2381
01:41:55.979 --> 01:41:57.659
And they do the talking.

2382
01:41:57.720 --> 01:41:58.859
It's still Star Trek.

2383
01:41:58.920 --> 01:41:59.699
Do you know what I mean?

2384
01:41:59.760 --> 01:42:02.279
They still have to talk about what the right thing to do is.

2385
01:42:02.340 --> 01:42:06.539
And Cisco's lives there. is literally saying the writers don't

2386
01:42:06.539 --> 01:42:07.079
forget the stuff.

2387
01:42:07.140 --> 01:42:09.000
This is exactly what the founders want.

2388
01:42:09.060 --> 01:42:13.619
Klingon against uh human, you know, Cardassians against Klingon.

2389
01:42:13.680 --> 01:42:14.340
Federation.

2390
01:42:14.399 --> 01:42:15.180
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

2391
01:42:15.239 --> 01:42:16.619
And how does he end it?

2392
01:42:16.680 --> 01:42:20.460
He goes, the more we fight each other, the less chance we'll have

2393
01:42:20.460 --> 01:42:21.840
to fight the Dominion.

2394
01:42:22.020 --> 01:42:24.840
Exactly what they want. good isn't it?

2395
01:42:24.899 --> 01:42:26.159
And so he yeah.

2396
01:42:26.220 --> 01:42:32.699
I mean, And because Gowron, so they're kind of positioning Martok

2397
01:42:32.699 --> 01:42:34.500
as a bit of a maniac, aren't they?

2398
01:42:34.560 --> 01:42:39.479
And Garon is more reasonable, even though he's googly eyed and

2399
01:42:39.479 --> 01:42:41.220
very odd looking and scary.

2400
01:42:42.659 --> 01:42:44.880
You have so...

2401
01:42:44.880 --> 01:42:48.119
I did against us in battle, and this we do not forget.

2402
01:42:48.180 --> 01:42:49.500
Wait for it, scary eyes.

2403
01:42:49.500 --> 01:42:50.880
Or forget.

2404
01:42:51.119 --> 01:42:52.859
Yeah, do the eyes, Robin.

2405
01:42:52.920 --> 01:42:53.340
Go on.

2406
01:42:53.699 --> 01:42:57.300
You should know everyone at home's punching me again.

2407
01:42:57.300 --> 01:42:57.600
Yes.

2408
01:42:57.600 --> 01:42:59.159
There's the eyes.

2409
01:42:59.220 --> 01:43:02.460
But again, that's an aggressive failure to reinstate the status

2410
01:43:02.460 --> 01:43:03.300
quo at the end.

2411
01:43:03.359 --> 01:43:04.739
And we're used to that.

2412
01:43:04.800 --> 01:43:08.460
We're used to that, but I think it's shocking in context, don't

2413
01:43:08.460 --> 01:43:08.640
you?

2414
01:43:08.699 --> 01:43:14.039
I do remember one criticism of that last action set piece being

2415
01:43:14.039 --> 01:43:15.899
that you don't see a lot of blood.

2416
01:43:15.960 --> 01:43:18.479
I don't really want to see a lot of blood in Star Trek.

2417
01:43:18.779 --> 01:43:19.500
Star Trek.

2418
01:43:19.560 --> 01:43:20.399
That's enough.

2419
01:43:20.460 --> 01:43:22.560
Like Kira's literally holding a bloody wound.

2420
01:43:22.619 --> 01:43:23.819
Brian's got blood in his face.

2421
01:43:23.880 --> 01:43:25.500
Cisco's got blood on his face.

2422
01:43:25.560 --> 01:43:26.399
That's enough.

2423
01:43:26.460 --> 01:43:27.539
Yep.

2424
01:43:27.840 --> 01:43:31.739
So all the all the civilians are coming back.

2425
01:43:31.800 --> 01:43:35.939
All of that laid up to that action sequence was just gold.

2426
01:43:36.300 --> 01:43:43.199
I still can't believe you had Ducat and Garak bantering whilst

2427
01:43:43.199 --> 01:43:46.500
they were cutting through a load of Klingons.

2428
01:43:46.560 --> 01:43:48.840
I mean, that's just DS9, right?

2429
01:43:48.899 --> 01:43:49.739
Voyager wouldn't do that.

2430
01:43:49.800 --> 01:43:51.539
TNG wouldn't do that.

2431
01:43:51.600 --> 01:43:54.779
You wouldn't have a comedy moment in the middle of a massacre.

2432
01:43:54.840 --> 01:43:55.979
No.

2433
01:43:56.039 --> 01:44:00.539
And and and the fact that you have, like, you've got our main

2434
01:44:00.539 --> 01:44:01.140
characters.

2435
01:44:01.199 --> 01:44:02.579
We've got a new additional person.

2436
01:44:02.699 --> 01:44:07.500
Sirix got the week off and we've got these 4 semi-regulars now who

2437
01:44:07.500 --> 01:44:09.479
are all just incredibly gray.

2438
01:44:09.600 --> 01:44:12.239
You know why he's got the week off, don't you?

2439
01:44:12.300 --> 01:44:13.260
No.

2440
01:44:13.319 --> 01:44:14.880
It's the visitor next week.

2441
01:44:14.939 --> 01:44:16.380
Oh, okay.

2442
01:44:16.680 --> 01:44:19.319
They're on form at this point.

2443
01:44:19.380 --> 01:44:20.340
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

2444
01:44:20.399 --> 01:44:21.119
Holy crap.

2445
01:44:22.319 --> 01:44:23.939
This is nice.

2446
01:44:24.000 --> 01:44:28.140
So now it boils back down to what DS9 is really about, the

2447
01:44:28.140 --> 01:44:30.060
characters and making choices.

2448
01:44:30.420 --> 01:44:32.460
Yeah, yeah, okay.

2449
01:44:32.520 --> 01:44:36.779
So this is, it isn't until this scene that he says, I was trying

2450
01:44:36.779 --> 01:44:39.720
to escape the pain I felt after my wife's death.

2451
01:44:39.779 --> 01:44:43.680
I mean, it's a great journey, Cisco goes on, isn't it, for other 7

2452
01:44:43.680 --> 01:44:43.920
years?

2453
01:44:43.979 --> 01:44:45.600
Yeah, yeah.

2454
01:44:45.659 --> 01:44:50.100
Yeah, but this, like the fact that he uses his experiences in the

2455
01:44:50.100 --> 01:44:53.819
emissary to help wharf in this new pilot.

2456
01:44:53.880 --> 01:44:59.279
The fact that he now no longer has the right to prevent war from

2457
01:44:59.279 --> 01:45:02.399
resigning and so he can only persuade him not to resign.

2458
01:45:03.060 --> 01:45:06.840
And that line there, running away, you can only run away for so

2459
01:45:06.840 --> 01:45:10.260
long, eventually the pain will turn around and catch up with you

2460
01:45:10.260 --> 01:45:11.819
and you will have to face it.

2461
01:45:11.880 --> 01:45:13.199
Yeah.

2462
01:45:13.260 --> 01:45:17.460
Oh, and this, it reminds me of what I've gained and who I am, and

2463
01:45:17.460 --> 01:45:19.680
that's being on the station and finding these people.

2464
01:45:20.220 --> 01:45:22.140
Ah, great.

2465
01:45:22.199 --> 01:45:23.760
But it's also wharf, too.

2466
01:45:23.819 --> 01:45:27.300
You know, like wharf gained from the uniform as well.

2467
01:45:27.359 --> 01:45:28.680
You know.

2468
01:45:28.739 --> 01:45:32.640
So it's the right appeal to mate to wharf in particular.

2469
01:45:32.880 --> 01:45:39.060
And after all of that dismissal of the Federation by, um, here you

2470
01:45:39.060 --> 01:45:42.659
have Cisco literally saying, I'm a Starfleet officer and it makes

2471
01:45:42.659 --> 01:45:43.859
me a better person.

2472
01:45:43.920 --> 01:45:45.239
Yeah.

2473
01:45:45.300 --> 01:45:47.579
And it's doing the Star Trek thing.

2474
01:45:47.640 --> 01:45:49.739
You know, like after all of this action and fighting and war

2475
01:45:49.739 --> 01:45:53.939
breaks out and, you know, significant federation achievement is is

2476
01:45:53.939 --> 01:45:55.800
you know, destroyed.

2477
01:45:55.859 --> 01:45:59.460
But we come back to these men doing the right thing.

2478
01:45:59.520 --> 01:46:02.579
Avery's so warm and gentle here as well.

2479
01:46:02.640 --> 01:46:05.939
In contrast to what we've just seen, you know, all the fight in

2480
01:46:05.939 --> 01:46:06.119
there.

2481
01:46:06.479 --> 01:46:08.939
I mean, he was a great choice.

2482
01:46:09.000 --> 01:46:10.920
I know I know he has his moments.

2483
01:46:10.979 --> 01:46:15.000
Yeah, but I just, I think he's a compelling actor to watch Avery

2484
01:46:15.000 --> 01:46:15.420
Brooks.

2485
01:46:15.479 --> 01:46:16.439
Oh yeah.

2486
01:46:16.500 --> 01:46:21.539
And now he's let off the leash a little bit too, which is great.

2487
01:46:21.600 --> 01:46:24.659
I mean, do you remember in the middle of the season, whereas Dr

2488
01:46:24.659 --> 01:46:26.460
Noah, the Bond villain.

2489
01:46:26.520 --> 01:46:28.739
Let off the leash.

2490
01:46:29.039 --> 01:46:34.560
So do you remember at the end of series, um, is it the end of

2491
01:46:34.560 --> 01:46:41.579
series one in the beginning of series two, Geordie and Worf get

2492
01:46:41.579 --> 01:46:44.939
taken out of the red uniform and put into the yellow uniform?

2493
01:46:45.600 --> 01:46:50.699
And the yellow is so much uglier, and I did think that there were

2494
01:46:50.699 --> 01:46:55.920
objections that the 2 kind of the 2 black characters were taken

2495
01:46:55.920 --> 01:47:00.720
out of the command uniform colour and put into the other colour.

2496
01:47:00.779 --> 01:47:02.220
I'm so noisy.

2497
01:47:02.220 --> 01:47:04.079
I couldn't have even afforded that.

2498
01:47:04.140 --> 01:47:07.020
I'm sure that I read Discourse about it.

2499
01:47:07.079 --> 01:47:10.199
I did try and look for it today, but I couldn't find a reference

2500
01:47:10.199 --> 01:47:14.880
to it, but his wharf back in that red colour, which looks so much

2501
01:47:14.880 --> 01:47:15.960
better on him.

2502
01:47:16.140 --> 01:47:18.779
And so we have O'Brien.

2503
01:47:18.840 --> 01:47:22.199
Well, that ends up with him, because obviously he is back in the

2504
01:47:22.199 --> 01:47:23.220
command program now.

2505
01:47:23.279 --> 01:47:25.079
He does want to be the captain.

2506
01:47:25.140 --> 01:47:28.260
And in change of heart where he goes off on the mission with Dax

2507
01:47:28.260 --> 01:47:30.359
as she nearly dies and he goes back and says her.

2508
01:47:30.420 --> 01:47:33.600
Cisco says to him at the end, you probably won't get a command

2509
01:47:33.600 --> 01:47:34.079
after this.

2510
01:47:34.140 --> 01:47:38.340
Yeah, you know, you chose, and of course he chose stacks.

2511
01:47:38.399 --> 01:47:39.359
I mean, of course he did.

2512
01:47:39.420 --> 01:47:40.619
Look at her.

2513
01:47:40.680 --> 01:47:41.819
Come on.

2514
01:47:41.880 --> 01:47:42.539
Yeah, know.

2515
01:47:42.600 --> 01:47:43.199
She's wonderful.

2516
01:47:43.260 --> 01:47:46.859
But there's an absolute mission statement here, isn't there, of

2517
01:47:46.859 --> 01:47:49.020
like, it looks like the Klingons aren't going anywhere.

2518
01:47:49.079 --> 01:47:50.579
Well, neither are we.

2519
01:47:50.640 --> 01:47:52.260
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

2520
01:47:52.319 --> 01:47:52.979
That's it.

2521
01:47:53.039 --> 01:47:54.359
This is our new premise.

2522
01:47:54.479 --> 01:47:58.260
And they run with it until the middle of season five.

2523
01:47:58.319 --> 01:48:00.359
So they get some good leverage out of it.

2524
01:48:00.420 --> 01:48:05.399
And I know there's some episodes in there that you don't like, I

2525
01:48:05.399 --> 01:48:10.140
really like Naw the Battle to the Strong, which is the J and the

2526
01:48:10.140 --> 01:48:13.560
sheer one in the hospital, but it really makes the Klingons feel

2527
01:48:13.560 --> 01:48:16.739
like an encroachable threat in it. yeah.

2528
01:48:16.800 --> 01:48:17.760
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

2529
01:48:17.819 --> 01:48:18.600
Yeah.

2530
01:48:18.840 --> 01:48:21.420
Yeah, I mean, I think it was worth doing.

2531
01:48:21.479 --> 01:48:24.840
And like I said, it does make the Dominion war a little bit more

2532
01:48:24.840 --> 01:48:28.979
interesting than just they come in in their big ships and fire

2533
01:48:28.979 --> 01:48:29.819
guns at us.

2534
01:48:29.880 --> 01:48:33.479
You know, it's more subtle and more complicated and more

2535
01:48:33.479 --> 01:48:37.680
geopolitical and that's what that's going for what this show is

2536
01:48:37.680 --> 01:48:39.359
going for and it does it really well.

2537
01:48:39.420 --> 01:48:43.800
Well, Nathan, I think we will, in the future, have wonderful

2538
01:48:43.800 --> 01:48:48.960
episodes of Star Trek to watch, but I'm not sure I'll ever be more

2539
01:48:48.960 --> 01:48:52.739
in heaven than I was in the last half an hour of that commentary.

2540
01:48:52.800 --> 01:48:53.819
Laughing.

2541
01:48:54.960 --> 01:48:59.819
And excited and quoting all the lines and being ridiculous.

2542
01:48:59.880 --> 01:49:04.140
I mean, oh boy, this is the sort of episode doing a commentary

2543
01:49:04.140 --> 01:49:06.060
with your best mate it's all about, right?

2544
01:49:06.359 --> 01:49:08.460
pretty great, isn't it?

2545
01:49:08.520 --> 01:49:10.380
It is pretty great. was awesome.

2546
01:49:10.500 --> 01:49:12.720
And, you know, I wasn't wrong.

2547
01:49:12.779 --> 01:49:15.720
It is absurdly confident, that piece.

2548
01:49:15.840 --> 01:49:16.560
Yeah.

2549
01:49:16.619 --> 01:49:20.399
Like there's confidence even in the fact that there isn't a lack

2550
01:49:20.399 --> 01:49:23.460
of action in the 1st half and that they trust that you're

2551
01:49:23.460 --> 01:49:27.180
interested enough in those characters and the shifting narrative

2552
01:49:27.180 --> 01:49:28.739
to be engaged with it.

2553
01:49:28.800 --> 01:49:31.920
And then they pay it off at the end with, what, fingers are pretty

2554
01:49:31.920 --> 01:49:35.460
spectacular, rousing climax.

2555
01:49:35.520 --> 01:49:36.659
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

2556
01:49:36.720 --> 01:49:38.220
No, I think absolutely.

2557
01:49:38.220 --> 01:49:41.579
With the kind of production it is in the kind of budget, it has.

2558
01:49:41.640 --> 01:49:44.640
I think this does the absolute best.

2559
01:49:44.699 --> 01:49:47.220
It can possibly do under those circumstances.

2560
01:49:47.279 --> 01:49:53.039
And it packs in much, much more action than, I think, you expect

2561
01:49:53.039 --> 01:49:57.180
that it even has that fake out where the episode sort of seems to

2562
01:49:57.180 --> 01:49:58.619
end 20 minutes too early.

2563
01:49:58.739 --> 01:50:00.659
Oh, wait, there's a space battle.

2564
01:50:00.720 --> 01:50:03.239
Oh, wait, there's a massive hand-to-hand combat thing.

2565
01:50:03.359 --> 01:50:04.920
Like, it's huge.

2566
01:50:04.979 --> 01:50:06.000
It escalates.

2567
01:50:06.060 --> 01:50:10.619
It's propulsive, but even the bits, which are the things that

2568
01:50:10.619 --> 01:50:15.960
people complained about on TNG, and rightly so, that so many

2569
01:50:15.960 --> 01:50:20.880
episodes were we're sitting around the standing sets talking, and

2570
01:50:20.880 --> 01:50:25.020
nearly the whole 1st half of that, more than the 1st half of that

2571
01:50:25.020 --> 01:50:28.680
was scenes of the regulars and semi-regulars, sitting around

2572
01:50:28.680 --> 01:50:30.060
standing sets and talking.

2573
01:50:30.119 --> 01:50:34.979
And what they did was they directed those dynamically, they had

2574
01:50:34.979 --> 01:50:39.600
more interesting sets and they gave all of the characters

2575
01:50:39.600 --> 01:50:43.859
interesting things to do that there are so many pairs on this show

2576
01:50:43.859 --> 01:50:48.600
that work, there are so many things that you can do while still

2577
01:50:48.600 --> 01:50:54.119
having a massive, massive, and brilliant and audacious, basic

2578
01:50:54.119 --> 01:50:54.720
plot.

2579
01:50:54.779 --> 01:50:56.579
It's really extremely good, I think.

2580
01:50:56.640 --> 01:51:00.779
And, you know, you might say that's a fluke, yeah, right?

2581
01:51:00.840 --> 01:51:04.380
Okay, they came in, all guns blazing, but I'm just going to name a

2582
01:51:04.380 --> 01:51:06.060
few episodes that are coming up, right?

2583
01:51:06.119 --> 01:51:10.380
The visitor, our man Bashir, home front, paradise lost, little

2584
01:51:10.380 --> 01:51:12.239
green men, rejoined.

2585
01:51:12.300 --> 01:51:15.119
That's all in the 1st half of series 4.

2586
01:51:15.300 --> 01:51:17.939
I mean, what a time to be alive.

2587
01:51:25.739 --> 01:51:29.880
All right, it's the end of the episode and it's time for us to

2588
01:51:29.880 --> 01:51:31.380
work out where we're going next.

2589
01:51:31.439 --> 01:51:37.680
We have done perhaps one of the best episodes in the history of

2590
01:51:37.680 --> 01:51:43.140
the franchise tonight, and so it's time to balance that out with

2591
01:51:43.140 --> 01:51:46.260
an episode of Star Trek Enterprise.

2592
01:51:46.380 --> 01:51:47.399
Oh, of course.

2593
01:51:50.760 --> 01:51:53.220
Oh, doubtful was inevitable.

2594
01:51:53.279 --> 01:51:59.699
For a bit long discovery. actually, but I wanted to do enterprise

2595
01:51:59.699 --> 01:52:00.239
instead.

2596
01:52:00.300 --> 01:52:03.359
It was more of a chance of getting something dynamic had you gone

2597
01:52:03.359 --> 01:52:04.140
for discovery.

2598
01:52:04.199 --> 01:52:05.520
That's true, that's true.

2599
01:52:05.579 --> 01:52:06.539
You never know.

2600
01:52:06.600 --> 01:52:08.100
You never know, you never know.

2601
01:52:08.159 --> 01:52:09.119
All right.

2602
01:52:09.180 --> 01:52:10.979
So I'm on the randomiser.

2603
01:52:11.039 --> 01:52:14.760
Enterprise is selected, and I'm going to press the button, and

2604
01:52:14.760 --> 01:52:20.399
your random Star Trek Enterprise episode is Vanishing Point.

2605
01:52:20.460 --> 01:52:24.779
Season two, episode 10 from November 2002.

2606
01:52:24.899 --> 01:52:26.159
I have no idea what that is.

2607
01:52:26.220 --> 01:52:26.939
Do you know what that is?

2608
01:52:27.000 --> 01:52:27.960
I'm gonna find out.

2609
01:52:28.020 --> 01:52:29.579
So, um, excise this bear?

2610
01:52:29.640 --> 01:52:30.659
Thank God.

2611
01:52:31.079 --> 01:52:35.760
After an emergency use of the transporter to escape the surface of

2612
01:52:35.760 --> 01:52:36.359
a planet.

2613
01:52:36.479 --> 01:52:37.439
Hoshi.

2614
01:52:37.500 --> 01:52:41.939
Oh, becomes convinced her molecules have not been correctly

2615
01:52:41.939 --> 01:52:42.779
reassembled.

2616
01:52:42.840 --> 01:52:45.899
That does sound like a Barclay episode, doesn't it?

2617
01:52:45.960 --> 01:52:50.760
Yeah, you remember how we said that Voyagers mission was often TNG

2618
01:52:50.760 --> 01:52:51.960
only crap?

2619
01:52:52.020 --> 01:52:55.920
This does seem like it's realm of fear only crap.

2620
01:52:55.979 --> 01:52:58.079
And Realm of Fear is not that great to start with.

2621
01:52:58.140 --> 01:53:03.119
I mean, Gamma does give it a bam and an extra star, you know.

2622
01:53:03.180 --> 01:53:07.500
Yeah, 3.5 out of four, and it does have an ocean, yeah.

2623
01:53:09.119 --> 01:53:10.739
Up to you.

2624
01:53:10.800 --> 01:53:15.239
Well, I mean, you're never going to pick Enterprise by choice.

2625
01:53:15.300 --> 01:53:20.699
Like you might include it in the the entirety of the franchise

2626
01:53:20.699 --> 01:53:21.600
strategy.

2627
01:53:21.659 --> 01:53:26.100
If you didn't pick enterprise, Nathan, then we would only be left

2628
01:53:26.100 --> 01:53:28.619
with enterprise episodes at the end of this journey.

2629
01:53:28.680 --> 01:53:30.779
I don't know season 2 at all.

2630
01:53:30.840 --> 01:53:34.920
So the chances are that if we roll a season 2 episode, I'm not

2631
01:53:34.920 --> 01:53:36.060
going to have an opinion on it.

2632
01:53:36.119 --> 01:53:39.840
I'd be interested to see a Hoshi focus episode.

2633
01:53:39.899 --> 01:53:43.739
I would be interested to see how she do anything on this show.

2634
01:53:43.800 --> 01:53:44.939
Because Linda Park is good.

2635
01:53:45.000 --> 01:53:46.079
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

2636
01:53:46.140 --> 01:53:46.739
Yeah.

2637
01:53:46.800 --> 01:53:47.640
Yeah, yeah.

2638
01:53:47.699 --> 01:53:49.319
And she almost never gets the chance to do anything.

2639
01:53:49.439 --> 01:53:53.699
And Jama does assure us it's creepy and psychologically compelling

2640
01:53:53.699 --> 01:53:58.260
with carefully navigated plot manipulations to keep you guessing.

2641
01:53:58.319 --> 01:54:02.520
Yeah, but Jama did think that Bem was worth 2.5 stars, to be

2642
01:54:02.520 --> 01:54:03.000
fair.

2643
01:54:03.060 --> 01:54:07.079
But then I've just seen it's written by Rick Berman and Braga.

2644
01:54:08.460 --> 01:54:13.020
I mean, I mean, you've got to throw a dart at season one or two

2645
01:54:13.020 --> 01:54:16.800
you're generally going to get written by Berman and Bra mostly.

2646
01:54:16.859 --> 01:54:17.460
Should we do it?

2647
01:54:17.520 --> 01:54:22.739
Yeah, I think so. let's do it At least it has the the Hoshi effect

2648
01:54:22.739 --> 01:54:24.779
you know, that's something new to talk about there.

2649
01:54:24.840 --> 01:54:26.640
Yeah, yeah. is something.

2650
01:54:35.699 --> 01:54:38.699
You've been listening to entitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford

2651
01:54:38.699 --> 01:54:39.899
and Nathan Bottomley.

2652
01:54:39.960 --> 01:54:43.319
We're online at Untitled Star Trek Project.com where you can find

2653
01:54:43.319 --> 01:54:45.960
subscription links and links to our social media accounts.

2654
01:54:46.020 --> 01:54:49.619
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Ciceran, and the theme was

2655
01:54:49.619 --> 01:54:51.239
composed by Cameron Lahn.

2656
01:54:51.300 --> 01:54:55.260
This episode was recorded on the 23rd of December 2025 and

2657
01:54:55.260 --> 01:54:57.060
released on the 26th of December.

2658
01:54:57.119 --> 01:55:01.319
We'll see you next time for Star Trek Enterprise Vanishing Point.

2659
01:55:19.380 --> 01:55:20.279
Sorry, enter there.

2660
01:55:20.340 --> 01:55:22.380
I've gone up losing my voice.

2661
01:55:22.439 --> 01:55:24.720
Oh, boy.

2662
01:55:24.779 --> 01:55:25.800
Oh boy, oh boy.

2663
01:55:25.859 --> 01:55:27.899
That was so fun.

2664
01:55:28.619 --> 01:55:33.239
I don't know if I made any sense in the last half an hour, but I

2665
01:55:33.239 --> 01:55:33.960
was just loving it.

2666
01:55:34.079 --> 01:55:38.159
I don't reckon you and I watched that together, but I think there

2667
01:55:38.159 --> 01:55:41.579
was one night where we were watching it at the same time or

2668
01:55:41.579 --> 01:55:42.300
watching it.

2669
01:55:42.359 --> 01:55:46.680
We watched it on the same night or like you watched it and watched

2670
01:55:46.680 --> 01:55:47.579
it was one of the things.

2671
01:55:47.640 --> 01:55:53.699
No, no, I reckon I reckon it was, as we were kind of, you know, we

2672
01:55:53.699 --> 01:55:55.560
were doing. what we were going to do.

2673
01:55:55.619 --> 01:55:56.159
Yeah.

2674
01:55:56.340 --> 01:56:00.359
But I think, I don't think that that got any way of the worry of

2675
01:56:00.359 --> 01:56:01.439
the 1st one we were going to do.

2676
01:56:01.439 --> 01:56:02.520
Like, I don't think so.

2677
01:56:02.579 --> 01:56:04.920
Like, I don't know that we'd watched it for way of the worry, but

2678
01:56:04.920 --> 01:56:06.720
we were watching it at the same time.

2679
01:56:06.720 --> 01:56:08.399
Maybe it was the 2nd one after in the cold.

2680
01:56:08.460 --> 01:56:09.239
Yeah.

2681
01:56:09.239 --> 01:56:10.260
Maybe.

2682
01:56:10.319 --> 01:56:13.920
Yeah, but I just remember thinking, because I remember you showing

2683
01:56:13.920 --> 01:56:14.699
me that scene.

2684
01:56:14.819 --> 01:56:18.720
The scene that they fucking cunt for the syndication thing, the

2685
01:56:18.720 --> 01:56:22.739
scene with the notes from, like, they've just got no idea.

2686
01:56:22.800 --> 01:56:25.020
That's not the most interesting scene.

2687
01:56:25.079 --> 01:56:29.399
Cut out some of the punching at the end and leave that scene.

2688
01:56:29.460 --> 01:56:30.479
Oh, I got some money.

2689
01:56:30.539 --> 01:56:31.079
What are you doing?

2690
01:56:31.140 --> 01:56:32.939
Yeah, yeah, that's right.

2691
01:56:33.000 --> 01:56:36.600
Like, the, you know, makeup...

2692
01:56:36.659 --> 01:56:36.960
Come on.

2693
01:56:37.020 --> 01:56:38.760
That's right. almond.

2694
01:56:38.819 --> 01:56:42.420
But it was also just the genius of having the touching scene

2695
01:56:42.420 --> 01:56:48.359
between Julian and him and then the stupid scene between Quark and

2696
01:56:48.359 --> 01:56:48.600
him.

2697
01:56:48.659 --> 01:56:50.100
It's so brilliant.

2698
01:56:50.159 --> 01:56:52.500
It's just absolutely...

2699
01:56:52.560 --> 01:56:55.979
This show is like we're doing a war, but we're still going to be

2700
01:56:55.979 --> 01:56:56.819
having fun.

2701
01:56:56.880 --> 01:56:58.079
Like, yeah.

2702
01:56:58.140 --> 01:56:59.760
What you say about seven, right?

2703
01:56:59.819 --> 01:57:02.939
where we're really war heavy and we still play baseball when we

2704
01:57:02.939 --> 01:57:03.840
still have a heist.

2705
01:57:03.899 --> 01:57:04.979
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

2706
01:57:05.039 --> 01:57:09.600
Well, you've got our man Bashir during the Klingon war, you know.

2707
01:57:09.899 --> 01:57:11.819
Oh so funny.

2708
01:57:11.880 --> 01:57:13.920
I'll be ready for them.

2709
01:57:14.039 --> 01:57:16.979
Derek Walk, I've used parts of your disruptor.

2710
01:57:17.819 --> 01:57:19.619
Defend them.

2711
01:57:19.680 --> 01:57:20.880
Was it a replicator?

2712
01:57:21.000 --> 01:57:21.960
Yeah.

2713
01:57:21.960 --> 01:57:24.960
I think that's where...

2714
01:57:25.020 --> 01:57:30.420
Because almond and almond and Renee always rehearse together at

2715
01:57:30.420 --> 01:57:32.220
weekends whenever they had stuff together.

2716
01:57:32.220 --> 01:57:35.640
And that's where that stuff pays off, you know, the timing is so

2717
01:57:35.640 --> 01:57:35.880
good.

2718
01:57:36.899 --> 01:57:39.000
But it's you, isn't it?

2719
01:57:39.060 --> 01:57:39.539
I did the movie.

2720
01:57:39.600 --> 01:57:40.739
Yeah, it's me.

2721
01:57:40.739 --> 01:57:41.699
It's hard chosen.

2722
01:57:41.760 --> 01:57:43.140
Thank you, Todd.

2723
01:57:43.199 --> 01:57:43.800
I did.

2724
01:57:43.859 --> 01:57:44.399
What did you do?

2725
01:57:44.460 --> 01:57:45.720
You did the movie.

2726
01:57:45.779 --> 01:57:46.680
I did so it's my turn.

2727
01:57:47.100 --> 01:57:53.039
Okay, well, you can try and find something better than that

2728
01:57:53.039 --> 01:57:53.880
but...

2729
01:57:54.600 --> 01:57:57.239
All right, it's the end of the episode.