WEBVTT

NOTE
This transcript was created on 2026-06-06 at 22:19:27

1
00:00:21.960 --> 00:00:25.140
Hey, Joe. Hi.

2
00:00:25.199 --> 00:00:26.699
Hey, Todd.

3
00:00:26.760 --> 00:00:27.719
Hello.

4
00:00:27.960 --> 00:00:41.100
So we are here for our Christmas special, and we're here with friend of the podcast, longtime listener and fellow podcaster on Flight Through Entirety, Todd Bealby.

5
00:00:41.159 --> 00:00:41.700
How are you?

6
00:00:41.759 --> 00:00:43.799
I'm well, thank you for having me.

7
00:00:43.859 --> 00:00:44.820
I feel really honoured.

8
00:00:44.880 --> 00:00:46.439
Thank you for joining us.

9
00:00:46.500 --> 00:00:48.420
I've been looking forward to it for months and months now.

10
00:00:48.780 --> 00:00:55.140
Before you even go any further, can I ask Todd a question quickly before we stop about this terrible movie?

11
00:00:55.200 --> 00:00:58.020
Todd, what's your Star Trek experience?

12
00:00:58.079 --> 00:00:58.920
I have no idea.

13
00:00:59.039 --> 00:01:00.539
Like, you know, what's your favourites?

14
00:01:00.600 --> 00:01:01.979
What do you really hate?

15
00:01:02.039 --> 00:01:03.299
And you know, when did you come in?

16
00:01:03.359 --> 00:01:06.840
I came in to Star Trek the Next Generation.

17
00:01:06.900 --> 00:01:08.280
Remember me.

18
00:01:08.340 --> 00:01:11.219
Was the really the 1st one that got me hooked?

19
00:01:11.280 --> 00:01:24.659
So I know series 4 to 6 really well of Next Generation, but then when Deep Space 9 came along, I moved on to that, because this is the 1st one I came in with from the beginning, and I adore Deep Space 9, my favourite by far.

20
00:01:24.719 --> 00:01:25.980
Man of taste.

21
00:01:26.040 --> 00:01:34.140
I then went on to Voyager and was continually disappointed and I gave up the Hirogen Arc.

22
00:01:34.200 --> 00:01:45.420
When they resolved their big, they were on the holodeck and the Voyager crew were losing and then between our brakes, they resolved it and Janeway said, oh, we've come to a truce and I went, are you kidding me?

23
00:01:45.480 --> 00:01:51.420
And so I think I soldiered onto the end of the season, then I didn't watch anything else up to the end of that show.

24
00:01:51.480 --> 00:01:54.780
I watched a few episodes of Enterprise.

25
00:01:54.840 --> 00:01:55.980
Enterprise.

26
00:01:56.040 --> 00:01:58.739
But I'd moved on by that time onto things like Buffy and Angel.

27
00:01:58.799 --> 00:02:02.459
Yeah, you still would have ditched it, Todd. even if you hadn't have moved on.

28
00:02:02.519 --> 00:02:05.879
You'd just watch those episodes and go, yeah, life is too short for this.

29
00:02:06.480 --> 00:02:11.460
I've never seen the original series properly.

30
00:02:11.520 --> 00:02:12.599
I've seen a couple of episodes.

31
00:02:12.659 --> 00:02:16.319
I've obviously seen most of the movies.

32
00:02:16.379 --> 00:02:20.939
And this one, the Final Frontier, was the 1st one that I saw at the cinema.

33
00:02:21.000 --> 00:02:26.639
I only saw search for Spock like 10 years ago and I hadn't even got through the motionless picture.

34
00:02:26.699 --> 00:02:28.139
I fallen asleep 4 times now.

35
00:02:28.680 --> 00:02:33.960
So I know I know the original crew from like the movies and that.

36
00:02:33.960 --> 00:02:35.280
So and culture.

37
00:02:35.460 --> 00:02:44.159
Of all the recent treks, I started with, obviously, with Discovery, and I watched the 1st 3 and a bit seasons of that, and then I sort of just drifted away.

38
00:02:44.219 --> 00:02:45.719
So I haven't finished that.

39
00:02:45.780 --> 00:02:48.419
I've seen all of lower decks because that is fabulous.

40
00:02:48.479 --> 00:02:49.979
Of course you are.

41
00:02:50.039 --> 00:02:52.439
And just references everything that I really do know.

42
00:02:53.159 --> 00:02:56.759
And I really like Strange New Worlds, but I'm far behind.

43
00:02:56.819 --> 00:03:01.379
And I've seen the 1st season of Prodigy.

44
00:03:01.439 --> 00:03:02.280
Yeah, yeah.

45
00:03:02.340 --> 00:03:03.539
What about Picard?

46
00:03:03.599 --> 00:03:05.759
Oh, and I've seen all of the card, obviously.

47
00:03:05.819 --> 00:03:13.139
And, you know, the 3rd season of that I adore because it's like back to the TNG crew who were my 1st crew.

48
00:03:13.199 --> 00:03:17.639
And although they're not the crew that I love the most, they're still up there.

49
00:03:17.699 --> 00:03:21.120
You know, I just can't walk away from them and that.

50
00:03:21.180 --> 00:03:24.780
No, and they had that sort of big cultural space, I think, at the time.

51
00:03:24.840 --> 00:03:26.819
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely.

52
00:03:26.879 --> 00:03:40.860
Plus, you know, it's got other people in there that I really like, like Jerry Ryan, who's by far in the doctor and Kate Mould grew the best things on Voyager, you know, so and Raffi and that hot guy, what's his Rios, right?

53
00:03:40.919 --> 00:03:43.560
So I like all of that in Picard.

54
00:03:43.620 --> 00:03:45.719
Who's the other girl that's in it?

55
00:03:45.780 --> 00:03:47.039
Oh, Alison Peele.

56
00:03:47.099 --> 00:03:49.620
Who I absolutely detest and everything she's ever done.

57
00:03:49.680 --> 00:03:57.120
So, I really struggle with her because, you know, you know how there's some actors that you just don't, Joel with?

58
00:03:57.180 --> 00:04:02.460
So when she was in, I was thinking, oh, but she's okay, but I don't love or like other people.

59
00:04:02.699 --> 00:04:06.240
I mean, she turned into the manifestation of all leisure.

60
00:04:06.300 --> 00:04:07.259
So that's all.

61
00:04:07.259 --> 00:04:12.900
So that's my Star Trek experience for you, Job. A rich pedigree.

62
00:04:12.960 --> 00:04:14.939
I've got to say, okay, you've done a lot of it.

63
00:04:15.000 --> 00:04:21.480
I absolutely adore listening to you guys with Deep Space 9 because it's my 1st love.

64
00:04:21.540 --> 00:04:32.040
I love listening to you with TNG because I know it pretty well and I adore you doing Voyager because you rip it to shreds when it needs to be ripped to shreds and you praise it when it needs to be praised.

65
00:04:32.100 --> 00:04:36.720
I mean, Nathan, I'm getting the impression here, you know, Todd's more of a me than a you.

66
00:04:36.779 --> 00:04:38.519
Yeah, I think he likes all the things that you like.

67
00:04:38.579 --> 00:04:39.839
Yeah, yeah.

68
00:04:39.899 --> 00:04:43.920
Todd, um, how do you feel like co-hosting uh, untitled style?

69
00:04:43.980 --> 00:04:45.060
No, no, no.

70
00:04:45.060 --> 00:04:48.540
Yeah, that's a redraw, the Albemart.

71
00:04:48.899 --> 00:04:51.120
I enjoy the fires.

72
00:04:51.540 --> 00:04:56.399
So we are doing our traditional Christmas film.

73
00:04:56.459 --> 00:05:03.720
This is the 4th time we've done a Star Trek film. and we are doing Star Trek 5, the final frontier.

74
00:05:03.779 --> 00:05:08.639
It was released on the 9th of June 1989 in the US.

75
00:05:08.699 --> 00:05:15.839
And that places it directly between up the long ladder and manhunt.

76
00:05:15.959 --> 00:05:17.819
Oh my goodness.

77
00:05:17.879 --> 00:05:21.000
Two seminal classics of TNG.

78
00:05:21.060 --> 00:05:27.420
We've done both of them on untitled Star Trek Project, and we did up the long ladder quite recently and kind of had fun, I think.

79
00:05:27.480 --> 00:05:29.759
Is that in terms of broadcast?

80
00:05:29.759 --> 00:05:31.379
Yeah, in terms of broadcast.

81
00:05:31.439 --> 00:05:33.420
So there's a freeway.

82
00:05:33.420 --> 00:05:34.319
Yeah.

83
00:05:34.379 --> 00:05:37.079
Because this was made, right, at the same time as TNG.

84
00:05:37.139 --> 00:05:39.360
They were making in the same studios, this movie.

85
00:05:39.420 --> 00:05:40.920
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

86
00:05:40.980 --> 00:05:55.319
And, you know, clearly the Enterprise D's corridors and staff are serving as the Enterprise A's corridors and there's some very long boring story on memory alpha about where the bridge of the Enterprise A comes from, but I can't remember it.

87
00:05:55.379 --> 00:06:01.019
And, and, you know, some of the Klingon staff, I think, sort of cross pollinates.

88
00:06:01.079 --> 00:06:05.339
Yes, this isn't anyone's favourite Star Trek movie, probably.

89
00:06:05.399 --> 00:06:09.120
But I have to say that I watched it this afternoon.

90
00:06:09.240 --> 00:06:20.519
I did not off a couple of times and I did have to rewind, but I don't think it's the war crime that it's been made out to be sort of generally by fandom.

91
00:06:20.579 --> 00:06:23.819
It's kind of bad, but it's not an atrocity.

92
00:06:23.879 --> 00:06:27.899
I remember this being really, really bad.

93
00:06:27.959 --> 00:06:34.079
And I watched this in 3 sittings over the last 2 days and I had a fucking blast with it.

94
00:06:34.139 --> 00:06:41.939
I mean, it is diabolical in many, many ways, certainly in terms of where all those 1000000s of pounds went on the screen.

95
00:06:42.240 --> 00:06:49.740
But God is fun and all the humour with the original crew is there and it's fucking crazy, right?

96
00:06:49.800 --> 00:06:51.720
It's so like TOS this.

97
00:06:51.779 --> 00:06:54.899
What if we go and find God in the middle of the universe?

98
00:06:54.959 --> 00:07:02.459
That has been cut from the same cloth as what if Abraham Lincoln came floating through space on a chair on the viewscreen, right?

99
00:07:02.519 --> 00:07:03.060
Yeah, yeah.

100
00:07:03.120 --> 00:07:05.040
The big green hand that grabs the Enterprise.

101
00:07:05.100 --> 00:07:05.519
What about that?

102
00:07:05.579 --> 00:07:07.379
You know, like it's that sort of thing.

103
00:07:07.439 --> 00:07:10.980
So it is very TOS and, you know, and fair enough.

104
00:07:11.040 --> 00:07:21.180
What I thought about it, though, was it just he's a little bit light on incident, but it was also a love letter to those 3 main characters who are so important, and I thought that was really nice.

105
00:07:21.240 --> 00:07:25.259
I did appreciate that Look, it's better than Nemesis.

106
00:07:25.319 --> 00:07:25.920
Yes.

107
00:07:25.980 --> 00:07:28.620
Anything's better than Nemesis.

108
00:07:28.680 --> 00:07:30.959
I would just be angry if we were watching that.

109
00:07:31.019 --> 00:07:38.339
But, I mean, I remember watching it originally at the cinema thinking, oh, this is what Star Trek's like, you know?

110
00:07:38.399 --> 00:07:41.339
We're going to find some entity. in space.

111
00:07:41.399 --> 00:07:44.040
And I didn't really think much of it at that time.

112
00:07:44.100 --> 00:07:45.899
Like, I just thought it was okay.

113
00:07:45.959 --> 00:07:48.959
And I think this is just a, well, I think it's okay.

114
00:07:49.019 --> 00:07:55.439
It's a series of incidents, set pieces that, you know, kind of want to take off, but often don't.

115
00:07:55.500 --> 00:08:01.800
And it's, you know, obviously Will Shatner's vanity project saying to Leonard Nemo, anything you can do.

116
00:08:01.860 --> 00:08:02.579
I can do better.

117
00:08:02.639 --> 00:08:04.019
I can do anything better than you.

118
00:08:04.079 --> 00:08:06.000
No, you can't.

119
00:08:06.060 --> 00:08:07.740
End of.

120
00:08:08.459 --> 00:08:10.920
Does Neemoy come back to do six?

121
00:08:11.040 --> 00:08:12.779
No, he's three, four.

122
00:08:12.839 --> 00:08:13.980
I think it's a plus mile.

123
00:08:14.040 --> 00:08:15.779
Yeah, he did two. didn't he?

124
00:08:15.839 --> 00:08:16.500
Two and six.

125
00:08:16.560 --> 00:08:16.800
Yeah.

126
00:08:16.860 --> 00:08:18.240
No wonder they're so great.

127
00:08:18.300 --> 00:08:23.879
Well, and that is an absolute return to form, I think, you know, that's a really, really great film.

128
00:08:23.939 --> 00:08:28.319
And that I remember going to, because it's not a summer film.

129
00:08:28.379 --> 00:08:31.680
I mean, remember, this is a summer blockbuster in the United States.

130
00:08:31.740 --> 00:08:36.600
It's released in the middle of the year where summer happens in some parts of the world.

131
00:08:36.600 --> 00:08:43.799
And it's up against, um, is it Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, possibly.

132
00:08:43.860 --> 00:08:50.220
Definitely the Batman film, you know, the big 1st Tim Burton Batman film, which was a huge.

133
00:08:50.279 --> 00:08:52.740
Which one's not going to succeed?

134
00:08:52.860 --> 00:08:53.940
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

135
00:08:54.059 --> 00:08:56.220
And because this isn't that great.

136
00:08:56.279 --> 00:08:58.620
And probably looks a bit tired as well.

137
00:08:58.679 --> 00:08:59.279
I don't know.

138
00:08:59.340 --> 00:09:04.019
You've come off that incredible trilogy, that amazing trilogy.

139
00:09:04.080 --> 00:09:09.659
We did Star Trek 4 already, you know, like a couple of Christmases ago, and it's brilliant.

140
00:09:09.720 --> 00:09:10.559
It's a great film.

141
00:09:10.620 --> 00:09:13.019
But it connects with the general public.

142
00:09:13.080 --> 00:09:17.279
Whereas, you know, even as somebody's watched Star Trek and I'm watching this going, what?

143
00:09:17.340 --> 00:09:18.419
Yeah, yeah.

144
00:09:18.480 --> 00:09:19.200
Yeah.

145
00:09:19.200 --> 00:09:22.860
So if I'm doing that, imagine what the general public's doing.

146
00:09:22.980 --> 00:09:30.659
Thing is, I just think, like, when it came out, it needed to land as a movie with the general public and it failed miserably.

147
00:09:30.720 --> 00:09:31.019
Yeah.

148
00:09:31.080 --> 00:09:37.919
And I was reading that there were some places where they didn't even send this abroad because it had done so badly in the US.

149
00:09:37.980 --> 00:09:43.740
I mean, it came to the UK and it only made like a 1000000 over here, so it didn't do spectacularly well over here.

150
00:09:43.799 --> 00:09:52.320
But now, all of these years later, yeah, this to me, it just feels like a dose of TOS being injected into my veins.

151
00:09:52.379 --> 00:10:01.019
Like you said there, Nathan, the focus on the 3 main characters, that's TOS through and through, you know, ignoring all the all the rest of the regulars.

152
00:10:01.080 --> 00:10:05.879
Yep, they did that week in, week out, the batshit premise, the humour, all of it.

153
00:10:06.000 --> 00:10:08.340
So now I think this lands, I don't think it matters now.

154
00:10:08.399 --> 00:10:10.379
Is it enjoyable scene to scene?

155
00:10:10.679 --> 00:10:13.259
Yeah, I really enjoyed it, scene to scene, I think.

156
00:10:13.320 --> 00:10:17.639
Row, row, row your boat, Ahura, dancing naked on the sand dunes.

157
00:10:17.700 --> 00:10:22.200
I know this ship like the back of my hand, you know, what does guard need with a spaceship?

158
00:10:22.259 --> 00:10:24.419
I mean, I just had great fun with this.

159
00:10:24.480 --> 00:10:25.980
It is terrible.

160
00:10:26.039 --> 00:10:29.820
Like I haven't lost all my critical faculties, but I did have fun with it.

161
00:10:29.879 --> 00:10:49.860
It's that hang time thing, and the thing that it reminded me most of is a vastly better film, which is Star Trek beyond, where we get to spend some time with each character for a bit, and there's a lot of just kind of going from place to place, and there's a lot of time for just character interaction.

162
00:10:49.919 --> 00:10:52.259
And it's a film that has much more incident.

163
00:10:52.320 --> 00:10:53.580
It's visually stunning.

164
00:10:53.639 --> 00:10:55.860
Everyone's not in their 50s.

165
00:10:55.919 --> 00:10:58.559
Like it's a bit more lively and exciting.

166
00:10:58.620 --> 00:11:08.759
But what it does do, which neither of the other two, you know, more modern Star Trek films have done is just give us enough time with all of the regular characters, I think.

167
00:11:08.820 --> 00:11:13.200
Oh, I don't remember a single thing about Star Trek Beyond.

168
00:11:13.259 --> 00:11:20.159
I couldn't tell you one scene that is in that movie, whereas there are moments in this that are burn into my consciousness.

169
00:11:20.220 --> 00:11:26.700
If you just said Star Trek 5, I would think of Spock in those sort of levitation boots halfway up that mountain.

170
00:11:26.820 --> 00:11:31.259
And not because I've seen the film more than once, because I don't think I had.

171
00:11:31.320 --> 00:11:37.919
I think I had seen it once before this, maybe twice, you know, at the outside, but those things excerpted.

172
00:11:38.039 --> 00:11:56.759
Remember when the DVDs of Star Trek, the Next Generation came out and they had that big trailer and one of the hero moments in the trailer, which was covering all of Star Trek, the movies, the original, is Scotty hitting his head on the bulkhead, which I've now seen, 100s and 100s of times, you know, every time we put TNG on.

173
00:11:56.879 --> 00:12:01.259
You know, so if there's one thing for this movie, it's that moment, you know?

174
00:12:01.320 --> 00:12:03.059
Try and fuel.

175
00:12:03.120 --> 00:12:03.720
Yeah, yeah.

176
00:12:03.779 --> 00:12:04.620
Yeah.

177
00:12:04.679 --> 00:12:15.059
So like it's it's a film that's more important to me than Star Trek Beyond, which I think I've probably only seen twice, but I'm looking forward to doing Star Trek Beyond when it comes along.

178
00:12:15.120 --> 00:12:19.440
It's actually pretty good I forgot about all those more recent movies.

179
00:12:20.399 --> 00:12:23.580
We could have got one of them and I would have gone, what are these things?

180
00:12:23.879 --> 00:12:27.720
You might have got section 31, you know, that's in there as well.

181
00:12:27.779 --> 00:12:33.360
I'm the only person who likes section 31 and I will die to defend it.

182
00:12:33.659 --> 00:12:37.379
I still figure 2 our run would have been great fun, you know.

183
00:12:37.440 --> 00:12:39.240
I mean we did recently.

184
00:12:39.299 --> 00:12:48.360
We recently discovered, you know, that hegemony, which was a two-part Strange New Worlds episode, rift a lot on the best of both worlds.

185
00:12:48.419 --> 00:12:53.279
And then by pure chance, we got the best of both worlds, like a month later to watch.

186
00:12:53.340 --> 00:13:00.960
And we decided that Hege enemy in so many ways was a superior bit of television, but no one's going to remember it at all.

187
00:13:01.019 --> 00:13:08.100
Whereas the best of both worlds, which is a vastly inferior stagey bit of television. nobody can forget.

188
00:13:08.159 --> 00:13:10.980
And I think that's the case with 5 and beyond, you know.

189
00:13:11.039 --> 00:13:12.240
I think you might be right.

190
00:13:12.299 --> 00:13:16.139
It's a moment in time Well, it might be our moment in time as well.

191
00:13:16.200 --> 00:13:19.320
Who knows what younger audiences are experiencing.

192
00:13:19.379 --> 00:13:21.539
I made me start singing Martin McCutcheon, all right?

193
00:13:21.720 --> 00:13:23.399
Jesus.

194
00:13:23.460 --> 00:13:24.600
All right.

195
00:13:24.659 --> 00:13:37.980
Well, I think we should go in because this is a very long film and nothing very much happens and we're going to have long stretches of just staring at each other over the Zoom call if we say everything that needs to be said now. pair of you.

196
00:13:38.039 --> 00:13:39.480
That will not be an issue, you know.

197
00:13:39.539 --> 00:13:41.279
Todd, before we go in.

198
00:13:41.340 --> 00:13:43.799
Can I ask you, how's your singing voice?

199
00:13:43.919 --> 00:13:44.940
Terrible.

200
00:13:45.059 --> 00:13:46.620
Oh, great.

201
00:13:46.679 --> 00:13:51.179
Well, if we get desperate, I'll start singing Row, row your boat, and you know when to jump in, all right?

202
00:13:51.240 --> 00:13:52.740
You love that moment.

203
00:13:52.860 --> 00:13:54.899
I thought it was so tedious.

204
00:13:54.960 --> 00:13:57.240
I just said they're going, really?

205
00:13:57.299 --> 00:13:59.460
These middle-aged men singing this song, please.

206
00:13:59.519 --> 00:14:01.440
They're whale bastard.

207
00:14:01.860 --> 00:14:04.019
Why would you tell me that?

208
00:14:04.080 --> 00:14:06.419
Now I've got a way of encouraging a run out of it.

209
00:14:06.480 --> 00:14:08.700
Let's do this. like it.

210
00:14:09.480 --> 00:14:11.460
All right, okay.

211
00:14:11.519 --> 00:14:20.519
So I will count us in 5, 4, 3, 2, one, and we're off.

212
00:14:21.840 --> 00:14:23.580
Here we go.

213
00:14:25.139 --> 00:14:29.700
Okay, so we've got the fantastic Paramount logo happening.

214
00:14:30.960 --> 00:14:32.940
Yes, all right.

215
00:14:33.000 --> 00:14:34.379
I can't even remember.

216
00:14:34.440 --> 00:14:36.360
Does it come in with the music straight away?

217
00:14:36.419 --> 00:14:39.059
You're not, da, da, da, da, da, bum, bum.

218
00:14:39.120 --> 00:14:39.840
I can't remember.

219
00:14:41.700 --> 00:14:43.799
Oh, no, it's the next gen theme for this one, isn't it?

220
00:14:43.860 --> 00:14:45.720
I was really surprised by that.

221
00:14:45.779 --> 00:14:49.080
So that's the theme for Star Trek one, isn't it?

222
00:14:49.139 --> 00:14:52.080
Like, because is it or isn't it?

223
00:14:52.139 --> 00:14:57.059
It's whenever Jerry Goldsmith does a Star Trek movie, when James Horner does it, it's another one.

224
00:14:57.120 --> 00:15:01.379
So, look, we're on the planet Nimbus 2, and this is like Tatooine.

225
00:15:01.440 --> 00:15:03.600
It's like poundland tattooine, isn't it?

226
00:15:03.659 --> 00:15:11.519
Like, I'm going to make a suggestion, gentlemen, that you don't vacate on Nimba 3 anytime soon.

227
00:15:11.580 --> 00:15:13.799
It looks miserable, doesn't it?

228
00:15:13.860 --> 00:15:14.639
It does.

229
00:15:14.700 --> 00:15:19.919
And then this guy whose secret pain is that he's just got a really, really shit dentist.

230
00:15:19.980 --> 00:15:25.799
I thought it was like Mr. Om from, isn't that, um, like Swana's Mossider?

231
00:15:25.860 --> 00:15:26.759
Oh, sorry.

232
00:15:26.759 --> 00:15:28.200
This guy's called John.

233
00:15:28.320 --> 00:15:29.399
What?

234
00:15:29.399 --> 00:15:31.919
But he's got he's got an apostrophe.

235
00:15:31.980 --> 00:15:32.580
It's J.

236
00:15:32.580 --> 00:15:34.440
Apostvi-O-N-N.

237
00:15:34.500 --> 00:15:36.840
So it's on, okay.

238
00:15:37.860 --> 00:15:42.179
They love punctuation in the 90s though, like Star Trek.

239
00:15:42.240 --> 00:15:46.320
I got the impression that, you know, Cybox riding a horse.

240
00:15:46.379 --> 00:15:49.980
Well, it had a sort of a very exotic sound to it.

241
00:15:49.980 --> 00:15:54.240
And I thought, okay, it's going to be some great CGI creature or something like that.

242
00:15:54.299 --> 00:15:56.220
No, no, no, no, it was just a horse.

243
00:15:56.279 --> 00:16:00.720
See, I actually quite like the direction here of this guy of him riding in.

244
00:16:00.779 --> 00:16:05.940
But it would have been much better if it had been, you know, somebody from the actual enterprise or something.

245
00:16:06.000 --> 00:16:07.259
I don't even know who he is.

246
00:16:07.320 --> 00:16:08.159
Yeah.

247
00:16:08.220 --> 00:16:10.740
I think, I mean, this guy, though.

248
00:16:10.799 --> 00:16:13.379
Like, I guess this is our villain.

249
00:16:13.440 --> 00:16:15.240
We're meeting our villain.

250
00:16:15.240 --> 00:16:17.279
And I actually think the villain in this.

251
00:16:17.340 --> 00:16:19.019
So this is Cybok.

252
00:16:19.320 --> 00:16:23.100
I think he's really, really good.

253
00:16:23.159 --> 00:16:24.360
And the actress.

254
00:16:24.899 --> 00:16:26.159
He's really impressed.

255
00:16:26.220 --> 00:16:28.379
He's he's not overplaying at all.

256
00:16:28.440 --> 00:16:30.720
And he's not playing it as a bad guy.

257
00:16:30.840 --> 00:16:33.539
He doesn't think he's a villain and so he never does villainous things.

258
00:16:33.600 --> 00:16:40.259
And in fact, I think this moment here with this poor, horrible, ugly toothless guy.

259
00:16:40.320 --> 00:16:47.580
Um, like he's genuinely he's genuinely warm and kind of and empathetic.

260
00:16:47.639 --> 00:16:52.740
Like, you know, he says, what, you know, he says, this is all I have.

261
00:16:52.799 --> 00:16:54.960
All I have is this shitty field full of holes.

262
00:16:55.019 --> 00:17:04.440
And like Cybok just looks at him. and like holds him and like he's not doing a magic space telepathy thing or anything.

263
00:17:04.500 --> 00:17:05.460
Do you know what I mean?

264
00:17:05.519 --> 00:17:08.099
He doesn't put his hands on his face or anything like that.

265
00:17:08.160 --> 00:17:13.619
He just holds him and his pain goes away or his pain is reckoned with.

266
00:17:13.680 --> 00:17:19.859
Has a secret pain, he says, well, chaps, what would your secret pain be that Cyblock would draw out?

267
00:17:20.279 --> 00:17:28.380
Um, and still pretty upset about that, the ending of the most recent Doctor Who episode.

268
00:17:31.259 --> 00:17:33.480
Not the Billy Piper thing.

269
00:17:33.539 --> 00:17:34.140
I think that's awesome.

270
00:17:34.200 --> 00:17:36.779
Where on the rest of us.

271
00:17:36.839 --> 00:17:37.619
Go to the dentist.

272
00:17:37.680 --> 00:17:39.779
I mean look at his teeth.

273
00:17:40.740 --> 00:17:42.900
But look how warm.

274
00:17:42.960 --> 00:17:45.359
But like look how genuinely warm he is.

275
00:17:45.420 --> 00:17:47.400
Yeah, I agree with you then.

276
00:17:47.579 --> 00:17:53.579
Like, but it's sort of like I'm going, well, this is really hooking me, that is so warm and nice.

277
00:17:53.640 --> 00:17:54.359
You know what I'm saying?

278
00:17:54.420 --> 00:17:56.940
I think what's meant to hook us, isn't it?

279
00:17:57.000 --> 00:18:00.119
The laughing Vulcan, like the way he pulls back his thing.

280
00:18:00.180 --> 00:18:09.119
We see the Vulcan is, Johan says, oh, you're a Vulcan, just in case people have not heard of a Vulcan before, and then he laughs.

281
00:18:09.240 --> 00:18:11.940
Oh, and then because it's emotion.

282
00:18:12.059 --> 00:18:13.920
Yeah, yeah, yeah. because it's a Vulcan laughing.

283
00:18:13.980 --> 00:18:19.500
And remember that little girl in disaster, and it's the song, the laughing Vulcan and his dog.

284
00:18:19.559 --> 00:18:21.839
She wants to sing instead of Pharaoh Jacquan.

285
00:18:21.900 --> 00:18:36.599
You might think that this is the most unengaging style to a Star Trek movie, Todd, but I sat and watched a champagne bottle glacially head towards the Enterprise for about 7.5 minutes when we did one of these.

286
00:18:36.660 --> 00:18:40.140
You know. can get worse than this.

287
00:18:40.200 --> 00:18:42.119
Isn't that generation?

288
00:18:42.180 --> 00:18:42.539
Do we know?

289
00:18:42.599 --> 00:18:44.339
Do you know where this is?

290
00:18:44.460 --> 00:18:45.660
Where is filmed?

291
00:18:45.720 --> 00:18:46.259
No.

292
00:18:46.319 --> 00:18:49.680
It's filmed on the planet Shakari.

293
00:18:49.740 --> 00:18:51.000
What's it called?

294
00:18:51.059 --> 00:18:51.900
Shakari.

295
00:18:51.960 --> 00:18:52.380
Yeah.

296
00:18:52.440 --> 00:18:52.920
Yeah.

297
00:18:52.980 --> 00:19:06.480
I was reading the the, the time that they had to shoot this movie was so brief that, you know, they, you know, setups for a movie would normally take hours and hours, a lot of the camera setups, they had minutes.

298
00:19:06.539 --> 00:19:09.480
So, you know, let's let's not be too mean.

299
00:19:09.539 --> 00:19:09.900
Hey.

300
00:19:09.960 --> 00:19:12.480
Well, I thought that was quite nicely shot.

301
00:19:12.539 --> 00:19:14.339
Yeah, yeah, I think it's quite nicely shot.

302
00:19:14.400 --> 00:19:17.519
And now we do go into the Star Trek, the Next Generation.

303
00:19:17.579 --> 00:19:20.099
Yeah, yeah, weirdly, which we're hearing.

304
00:19:20.400 --> 00:19:21.059
It did pull me out.

305
00:19:21.119 --> 00:19:22.799
I'm just, it's so synonymous.

306
00:19:22.859 --> 00:19:24.059
We're ticket G as well.

307
00:19:24.059 --> 00:19:24.660
It's like, okay.

308
00:19:24.720 --> 00:19:32.279
Well, I mean, that was the exciting thing about TNG was that it had the original Star Trek TV show music.

309
00:19:32.339 --> 00:19:38.099
But when the ooh kicks in, instead of that, we have the theme, though.

310
00:19:38.099 --> 00:19:38.940
That was beautiful.

311
00:19:39.000 --> 00:19:41.160
You know, yeah, I've been practising.

312
00:19:41.640 --> 00:19:53.519
Then you would kick in with the movie theme and because, you know, a lot of the visuals and stuff and a lot of the things that are only in the films are in Star Trek, the Next Generation as well.

313
00:19:53.759 --> 00:19:57.599
Imagine if it had gone from Cyblock laughing too.

314
00:19:57.599 --> 00:19:59.160
It's been a long time.

315
00:19:59.160 --> 00:20:01.920
Get it from there.

316
00:20:01.980 --> 00:20:03.359
We'd be like, oh, good grief.

317
00:20:05.400 --> 00:20:10.140
I mean, this isn't the most riveting of title sequences, right?

318
00:20:10.200 --> 00:20:11.880
It's just a load of stars.

319
00:20:11.940 --> 00:20:12.960
Yeah.

320
00:20:12.960 --> 00:20:13.619
Yeah.

321
00:20:13.680 --> 00:20:14.339
What the hell?

322
00:20:14.339 --> 00:20:15.599
David Warner?

323
00:20:15.660 --> 00:20:17.519
Our beloved David Warner.

324
00:20:17.579 --> 00:20:19.019
Oh, David, bless him.

325
00:20:19.980 --> 00:20:23.220
Is there a single franchise he hasn't touched?

326
00:20:23.279 --> 00:20:25.799
No, I don't think there is.

327
00:20:25.859 --> 00:20:26.700
He's been in everything.

328
00:20:26.880 --> 00:20:33.660
And he was, of course, the devil in time bandits, which is an absolutely stunning role.

329
00:20:33.720 --> 00:20:35.519
We think this is an alien planet.

330
00:20:35.579 --> 00:20:37.440
I just think it's a stunning shot.

331
00:20:37.500 --> 00:20:38.400
It's beautiful, isn't it?

332
00:20:38.519 --> 00:20:39.180
Yeah, I agree.

333
00:20:39.240 --> 00:20:41.759
I mean, I saw all of the filming around this park.

334
00:20:41.819 --> 00:20:45.480
Well, I mean, it goes on a bit too long when he's climbing that mountain.

335
00:20:45.480 --> 00:20:49.500
And well, when his stunt double is climbing the mountain, let's be fair.

336
00:20:49.559 --> 00:20:58.859
So this is a long sequence, but again, it's the opening credits, you know, and this is a more interesting thing than spaceships flying through space or champagne bottles flying through space.

337
00:20:58.920 --> 00:21:00.359
And this is supposed to be watched.

338
00:21:00.420 --> 00:21:02.640
William Shatner's rear?

339
00:21:02.759 --> 00:21:03.480
Yeah, yeah.

340
00:21:03.539 --> 00:21:05.759
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

341
00:21:05.819 --> 00:21:06.900
Right, it is sack.

342
00:21:07.740 --> 00:21:11.579
The stunt doubles rare is pretty delicious, actually.

343
00:21:11.640 --> 00:21:13.079
That's how we know it's not Kirk.

344
00:21:13.140 --> 00:21:24.359
So this is El Capitan, and I know about this because, you know, the Mac operating system is always named after something in California.

345
00:21:24.420 --> 00:21:29.279
And so it was Yosemite and then the following year it was El Capitan after this mountain.

346
00:21:29.400 --> 00:21:32.339
And of course, it's that Spanish for the captain.

347
00:21:32.400 --> 00:21:35.519
So he's climbing the captain's mountain and he's the captain.

348
00:21:35.579 --> 00:21:36.599
It's a thing.

349
00:21:37.079 --> 00:21:44.400
Do you remember in Enterprise series 4 after the big 2 parter?

350
00:21:44.400 --> 00:21:47.039
and there's a whole sequence like this with Archer.

351
00:21:47.099 --> 00:21:49.619
They do return to this, a couple of types of climbing mountains.

352
00:21:49.680 --> 00:21:51.000
Is it is it Yosemite?

353
00:21:51.059 --> 00:21:52.920
Like he goes up there with his...

354
00:21:52.980 --> 00:22:01.559
But he goes with, friend who is the captain of the other, um, you know, warp 5 vessel.

355
00:22:01.619 --> 00:22:02.460
Isn't it?

356
00:22:02.460 --> 00:22:04.440
It's like their version of home.

357
00:22:04.859 --> 00:22:05.400
Is it home?

358
00:22:05.460 --> 00:22:05.940
It called home.

359
00:22:06.000 --> 00:22:07.259
Is it called home?

360
00:22:07.319 --> 00:22:09.240
Yeah, yeah, it's their version of family, isn't it?

361
00:22:09.420 --> 00:22:16.619
I could be being very, very stupid, which is a distinct possibility, but how is he climbing that without ropes and anything?

362
00:22:16.680 --> 00:22:17.700
Is it the boots he's wearing?

363
00:22:17.759 --> 00:22:19.680
Yeah, but it's called free climbing.

364
00:22:19.740 --> 00:22:20.700
It is a thing that people do.

365
00:22:20.759 --> 00:22:21.660
What was that?

366
00:22:21.720 --> 00:22:24.420
There was a film fairly recently. crazy people.

367
00:22:24.480 --> 00:22:25.859
Yeah.

368
00:22:25.859 --> 00:22:28.680
But I've been here and I've seen people climbing up there like that.

369
00:22:28.740 --> 00:22:29.519
Okay.

370
00:22:29.579 --> 00:22:31.559
You've been to Yosemite.

371
00:22:31.799 --> 00:22:32.519
Oh, okay, wow.

372
00:22:32.579 --> 00:22:32.880
Okay.

373
00:22:32.940 --> 00:22:39.420
So what's interesting is you can tell that this is still a stunt double because this is a convincing mountain.

374
00:22:39.480 --> 00:22:40.559
It's an actual mountain.

375
00:22:40.619 --> 00:22:43.319
And then the moment that Shatner appears.

376
00:22:43.380 --> 00:22:49.380
It's Jabalite, something fibreglass, like a giant...

377
00:22:49.380 --> 00:22:51.299
It feels just like TOS.

378
00:22:51.359 --> 00:22:52.140
All right?

379
00:22:52.200 --> 00:22:53.940
Yeah, see, look, look at the mountain.

380
00:22:54.000 --> 00:22:54.960
It's a different colour.

381
00:22:55.019 --> 00:22:58.740
It's clearly just been manufactured by the guy.

382
00:22:58.799 --> 00:23:02.819
I mean, and then we then we have this backdrop.

383
00:23:02.880 --> 00:23:09.000
I mean, it looks it looks pretty great, but yes, that is very shiny and fibreglass, isn't it?

384
00:23:09.059 --> 00:23:14.880
I wasn't looking at the mouth. when Spock, just sock, it starts rising off. so funny.

385
00:23:14.940 --> 00:23:16.559
It's so ridiculous.

386
00:23:16.619 --> 00:23:17.880
I think that's adorable.

387
00:23:17.940 --> 00:23:24.359
In fact, so these are the 3 important people and these are these are the characters who the film is about.

388
00:23:24.420 --> 00:23:26.400
It's about their relationship.

389
00:23:26.460 --> 00:23:27.599
We start here.

390
00:23:27.660 --> 00:23:29.339
We end here.

391
00:23:29.400 --> 00:23:39.539
And they're irritating each other in the way that they've irritated each other throughout all of the previous Star Trek TV shows and films.

392
00:23:39.599 --> 00:23:41.220
What does he say?

393
00:23:41.279 --> 00:23:42.299
You call this relaxing.

394
00:23:42.359 --> 00:23:43.799
I'm a nervous wreck.

395
00:23:43.859 --> 00:23:44.640
No, that's right.

396
00:23:44.700 --> 00:23:45.839
And why is he a nervous wreck?

397
00:23:45.900 --> 00:23:50.220
Because he loves Jim and because Jim's being a fucking idiot, climbing this mountain.

398
00:23:50.759 --> 00:24:03.119
But like not only is this like just to show off some money, but it's setting up that terrible gag in the middle of the movie, isn't it, where you've got the space boots and they're going down the turbo lift.

399
00:24:03.180 --> 00:24:04.680
It's so much fun though.

400
00:24:04.920 --> 00:24:06.539
But I like this.

401
00:24:07.079 --> 00:24:14.579
I enjoyed this at the time and I love all this banter and the fact that he's bobbing up and down or just it's adorably ridiculous.

402
00:24:14.640 --> 00:24:16.559
And I think it's well directed.

403
00:24:16.619 --> 00:24:17.640
Yeah, yeah.

404
00:24:18.359 --> 00:24:19.500
It beyond a massive crime.

405
00:24:19.559 --> 00:24:20.579
Is that how they're doing?

406
00:24:20.640 --> 00:24:23.579
Are they just... up and down.

407
00:24:23.759 --> 00:24:29.759
I'm going to have some banter as I'm like free climbing up here and I'm not going to fall.

408
00:24:29.880 --> 00:24:31.319
Here we go.

409
00:24:31.920 --> 00:24:36.299
Not quite the contrary, gravity is most definitely on my mind.

410
00:24:38.039 --> 00:24:40.259
I mean, it's so cute.

411
00:24:40.319 --> 00:24:57.480
It's so adorably spocked to have a technological way of solving this problem and to be just kind of slightly smug and irritating and and then, you know, you've got McCoy downstairs with his blood pressure spiking because, you know, he's worried for the health of both of them.

412
00:24:57.539 --> 00:24:58.680
I just think it's perfect.

413
00:24:58.740 --> 00:25:00.599
You know, it like...

414
00:25:00.599 --> 00:25:01.740
Concentration is vital.

415
00:25:01.799 --> 00:25:02.759
You must be one with the rock.

416
00:25:02.819 --> 00:25:04.259
No, it's not well.

417
00:25:04.259 --> 00:25:07.259
It's special effects now when he goes falling down.

418
00:25:07.319 --> 00:25:08.579
It's so funny.

419
00:25:08.640 --> 00:25:12.660
But that's a real guy falling with a...

420
00:25:12.660 --> 00:25:14.460
And now, now that...

421
00:25:14.460 --> 00:25:18.240
Oh, dear, look at this is Superman...

422
00:25:18.299 --> 00:25:19.440
Yes.

423
00:25:19.440 --> 00:25:21.660
Like that is so cheap.

424
00:25:21.720 --> 00:25:22.980
I love all this at the end.

425
00:25:23.039 --> 00:25:26.940
Of course he catches him just an inch from the floor, doesn't he?

426
00:25:27.000 --> 00:25:28.019
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

427
00:25:28.079 --> 00:25:29.700
All these practical bits.

428
00:25:29.759 --> 00:25:30.660
Oh, good.

429
00:25:30.720 --> 00:25:35.339
But when you cut to that, the terrible Jabalite mountain.

430
00:25:35.400 --> 00:25:38.759
Oh, and that's cute too, having him running upside down.

431
00:25:38.819 --> 00:25:39.900
I think that's very cute.

432
00:25:40.920 --> 00:25:42.299
Okay.

433
00:25:42.359 --> 00:25:43.619
Meanwhile, back on Ninus 3.

434
00:25:43.799 --> 00:25:46.980
This cheap Paradise City, I mean, look at it.

435
00:25:47.039 --> 00:25:48.359
It's just a load of boxes, isn't it?

436
00:25:48.420 --> 00:25:52.079
Well, it is, again, it's Timu Moss Iceley, isn't it?

437
00:25:52.140 --> 00:25:53.640
Like, and this...

438
00:25:53.640 --> 00:25:56.220
There's no...

439
00:25:56.279 --> 00:25:57.599
There's no music.

440
00:25:57.660 --> 00:25:59.880
Wait for it. are we dancing to?

441
00:25:59.940 --> 00:26:06.420
But what is that enormous pussy doing dancing there on the...

442
00:26:06.480 --> 00:26:07.980
Just wait a second.

443
00:26:08.039 --> 00:26:12.299
So she's, I think she's occasion, like, to Anna, like, Dr. Tana, isn't she?

444
00:26:12.359 --> 00:26:17.759
But this is so cheap compared to Star Wars.

445
00:26:17.819 --> 00:26:18.299
I know.

446
00:26:18.359 --> 00:26:19.500
Yeah, yeah.

447
00:26:19.559 --> 00:26:20.940
It's terribly cheap.

448
00:26:21.000 --> 00:26:24.059
It's cheap almost compared to contemporary Star Trek.

449
00:26:24.180 --> 00:26:25.019
Oh here we go.

450
00:26:25.079 --> 00:26:25.680
And here we go.

451
00:26:25.740 --> 00:26:28.920
You could almost count the way... episode.

452
00:26:29.039 --> 00:26:30.180
Three breasts.

453
00:26:30.240 --> 00:26:31.740
She's got 3 breasts.

454
00:26:31.799 --> 00:26:32.400
Why?

455
00:26:32.400 --> 00:26:34.680
Do you think Dr. Tana has 3 breasts?

456
00:26:34.799 --> 00:26:36.359
I don't know.

457
00:26:36.420 --> 00:26:37.920
How intriguing.

458
00:26:38.160 --> 00:26:41.160
Not a game changer for me, you know.

459
00:26:42.960 --> 00:26:44.400
Okay.

460
00:26:44.460 --> 00:26:50.579
Meanwhile, this gorgeous woman here, who everyone hates, apparently, I don't quite know why.

461
00:26:50.640 --> 00:26:52.019
She's not very Romulan.

462
00:26:52.079 --> 00:26:54.839
We've already seen Romulans in the neutral zone at this point, haven't we?

463
00:26:54.900 --> 00:26:56.880
I just went, this is a Romulan?

464
00:26:56.940 --> 00:26:57.420
Yeah, yeah.

465
00:26:57.480 --> 00:26:59.759
She's more of an American lady, Romulan.

466
00:26:59.819 --> 00:27:03.839
And they don't want to put the ears on it so she gets to wear things over ears.

467
00:27:03.900 --> 00:27:04.559
And certainly.

468
00:27:04.680 --> 00:27:06.720
They are thankless paths, though, aren't they?

469
00:27:06.779 --> 00:27:10.559
Yeah, yeah, well, again, you think, like, David Warner is in the opening credits.

470
00:27:10.619 --> 00:27:13.200
And you think he's going to do something and he does very little.

471
00:27:13.259 --> 00:27:14.759
I don't like her very much.

472
00:27:14.819 --> 00:27:15.960
I think she's pretty average.

473
00:27:16.019 --> 00:27:17.160
She's pretty though.

474
00:27:17.220 --> 00:27:18.359
But yes.

475
00:27:18.420 --> 00:27:20.819
Yes, she's basically an American lady.

476
00:27:20.880 --> 00:27:22.740
They're coming for dental work.

477
00:27:24.240 --> 00:27:26.880
I need it, tell us, they need it.

478
00:27:27.000 --> 00:27:29.099
He's getting revenge on his dentist I think.

479
00:27:29.160 --> 00:27:33.299
Look at this entire gang of 12 bandits.

480
00:27:35.640 --> 00:27:37.980
Storm the gates of the city.

481
00:27:38.039 --> 00:27:40.200
Oh, yeah.

482
00:27:40.200 --> 00:27:54.960
Okay, so this chord is, of course, familiar to people who watch Star Trek, the Next Generation, because he's Kempeck, um, in Star Trek, the Next Generation.

483
00:27:55.019 --> 00:27:57.000
So the original Klingon Chancellor.

484
00:27:57.059 --> 00:28:01.980
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, he dies and is succeeded by Gauron.

485
00:28:02.039 --> 00:28:03.059
So it's the same actor.

486
00:28:03.420 --> 00:28:09.480
And there's another noteable TNG guest star in the cast here too, but more of that later.

487
00:28:09.599 --> 00:28:11.220
So what happened?

488
00:28:11.220 --> 00:28:14.460
Did ILM were doing the Indigana Jones movie, weren't they?

489
00:28:14.519 --> 00:28:15.660
Were they doing Batman as well?

490
00:28:15.720 --> 00:28:17.160
No, I don't think so.

491
00:28:17.220 --> 00:28:19.019
But I also look at that gate.

492
00:28:19.079 --> 00:28:19.680
Look at that.

493
00:28:19.740 --> 00:28:21.359
Look how well defended that thing is.

494
00:28:21.420 --> 00:28:22.319
They just walk in?

495
00:28:23.220 --> 00:28:24.059
push it gently over.

496
00:28:24.660 --> 00:28:34.140
So there was something in the memory alpha thing. that suggested that they thought they might be being ripped off by ILM.

497
00:28:34.200 --> 00:28:46.440
You know, at this point, ILM had done all of that shooting for, like, all of those brilliant, like, you know, Star Trek and Next Generation doesn't have enough money to shoot new ship visuals every week.

498
00:28:46.500 --> 00:28:49.200
And so it just reuses them over and over again.

499
00:28:49.259 --> 00:28:51.059
But they're good shots.

500
00:28:51.119 --> 00:28:52.740
They're clean, they look really good.

501
00:28:52.799 --> 00:28:54.240
Do you remember that probe?

502
00:28:54.299 --> 00:28:58.079
Yeah, the probe go, wob, wob, wob, in Star Trek 4?

503
00:28:58.140 --> 00:28:59.940
That one of those shots were amazing.

504
00:29:00.000 --> 00:29:02.039
And we're back on form next time.

505
00:29:02.160 --> 00:29:06.000
Like Star Trek 6 has great visuals, but these are shit.

506
00:29:06.059 --> 00:29:07.980
Like these look like TV.

507
00:29:08.039 --> 00:29:12.480
They just look like cheap, cheap 80s crap.

508
00:29:12.539 --> 00:29:15.900
And like we've had Star Wars, you said. about the bar and all of that.

509
00:29:15.960 --> 00:29:21.240
I think you could get away with it in a TNG episode because that's what the bars kind of look like.

510
00:29:21.299 --> 00:29:22.619
But we're watching a movie.

511
00:29:22.680 --> 00:29:23.940
Why don't they have music as well?

512
00:29:24.000 --> 00:29:27.960
Like, why is she dancing, that woman on the bar dancing to like literally nothing at all?

513
00:29:28.440 --> 00:29:30.839
I mean, she's got 3 breasts.

514
00:29:30.900 --> 00:29:31.559
She doesn't need music.

515
00:29:31.680 --> 00:29:32.700
No, I guess not.

516
00:29:32.700 --> 00:29:33.299
Brief.

517
00:29:33.359 --> 00:29:34.799
She is on Nimbus 3.

518
00:29:36.660 --> 00:29:37.500
That's all I'm saying.

519
00:29:37.680 --> 00:29:40.200
One breast for each nimbus.

520
00:29:43.200 --> 00:29:45.539
Who made that decision?

521
00:29:45.599 --> 00:29:46.619
Was that Shatner?

522
00:29:46.680 --> 00:29:47.339
Yeah, no, no.

523
00:29:47.339 --> 00:29:48.000
Three tits.

524
00:29:48.119 --> 00:29:49.380
Give her 3 breasts.

525
00:29:49.440 --> 00:29:55.680
But, I mean, the cat people thing, you know, obviously they originally come from the animated series.

526
00:29:56.519 --> 00:29:58.619
Okay, this shot is okay.

527
00:29:58.680 --> 00:30:00.240
Yeah, yeah, but it's a reuse.

528
00:30:00.299 --> 00:30:01.500
Isn't this all recycles?

529
00:30:01.559 --> 00:30:02.640
Yeah, yeah, it's a cycle.

530
00:30:02.700 --> 00:30:03.240
Yeah, yeah.

531
00:30:04.079 --> 00:30:06.480
It's from the end of four, isn't it?

532
00:30:06.539 --> 00:30:09.539
Yeah, when they when they see the enterprise for the 1st time.

533
00:30:09.599 --> 00:30:10.500
Oh, yes.

534
00:30:11.279 --> 00:30:18.660
So I have to say that I don't hate this subplot because it does give them something to do.

535
00:30:18.720 --> 00:30:23.279
And so the idea that for some reason we have a new ship, but it doesn't work properly.

536
00:30:24.000 --> 00:30:25.319
I hope that doesn't happen all the time.

537
00:30:25.380 --> 00:30:27.420
I quite like it I do too.

538
00:30:27.480 --> 00:30:28.980
It's fun. you know, like I think it's.

539
00:30:29.039 --> 00:30:31.259
Do you see those 2 extras with their feet up on the consoles?

540
00:30:31.319 --> 00:30:32.519
Yeah, bastards.

541
00:30:32.579 --> 00:30:33.359
What the hell?

542
00:30:33.420 --> 00:30:34.859
Oh here we go.

543
00:30:34.920 --> 00:30:35.940
Yeah, yeah.

544
00:30:36.000 --> 00:30:38.400
So now these 2 are, what's happening?

545
00:30:38.460 --> 00:30:39.420
I know.

546
00:30:39.480 --> 00:30:40.740
And she's brought crisps.

547
00:30:40.799 --> 00:30:43.019
She's brought her hair as well.

548
00:30:43.079 --> 00:30:45.299
She's got the vodka going on, hasn't she?

549
00:30:45.359 --> 00:30:46.440
I know, I know.

550
00:30:46.500 --> 00:30:53.039
But look, it is, they're just giving, don't eat the crisps, Jimmy, for God's sake.

551
00:30:53.400 --> 00:30:57.000
So a little note on everyone's age.

552
00:30:57.180 --> 00:30:59.940
He is 12 years older than her.

553
00:31:00.000 --> 00:31:01.799
I'm sure she's 56.

554
00:31:01.980 --> 00:31:03.180
She's 56.

555
00:31:03.420 --> 00:31:08.400
Duan and Kelly at 69 when this comes down or 68, 69.

556
00:31:08.579 --> 00:31:11.759
Can I be horrible and say that I think DeForest really looks his age?

557
00:31:11.819 --> 00:31:12.779
He looks really old.

558
00:31:12.839 --> 00:31:14.339
Whereas I think Jimmy looks okay.

559
00:31:14.400 --> 00:31:15.599
Generally.

560
00:31:15.660 --> 00:31:17.160
Michelle looks gorgeous though.

561
00:31:17.220 --> 00:31:19.079
She always looks gorgeous.

562
00:31:19.140 --> 00:31:20.039
She does.

563
00:31:20.099 --> 00:31:26.220
But all that fake gray in the hair, like they're trying to age her up a bit.

564
00:31:26.279 --> 00:31:26.700
Yeah.

565
00:31:26.700 --> 00:31:28.079
She owns it, though.

566
00:31:28.140 --> 00:31:29.759
Yeah, so she's 56.

567
00:31:30.000 --> 00:31:31.920
George and Walter are 52.

568
00:31:32.160 --> 00:31:35.700
Uh, and um, Chatner and Nemoy are 58.

569
00:31:35.940 --> 00:31:41.160
And of course, this is like Star Trek is 1969.

570
00:31:41.339 --> 00:31:42.299
This is 1989.

571
00:31:42.539 --> 00:31:46.980
This is 20 years since they were, you know, all in the TV show.

572
00:31:47.039 --> 00:31:48.180
Fair enough.

573
00:31:48.240 --> 00:31:52.680
They're trying to do, you know, they're trying to do all the character comedy that you had in four, right?

574
00:31:52.740 --> 00:31:54.299
that was so effective in four.

575
00:31:54.359 --> 00:31:59.579
All of the stuff with them lost in the woods is a bit like, you know, nuclear wessels and all of that nonsense.

576
00:31:59.640 --> 00:32:00.299
We had him for.

577
00:32:00.359 --> 00:32:02.039
And it was much better written there.

578
00:32:02.099 --> 00:32:03.119
But it is these actors.

579
00:32:03.180 --> 00:32:06.119
So Nathan, you and me talk about hangtime at all the time.

580
00:32:06.180 --> 00:32:09.480
I'm just happy to be with these characters. having a lark.

581
00:32:09.539 --> 00:32:11.759
And this is so stupid.

582
00:32:11.819 --> 00:32:19.440
Like he's blowing in the communicator to make it seem like it's a blizzard and look at George's reaction. as well.

583
00:32:20.940 --> 00:32:24.359
I just very much don't breathe on me, Walter, please.

584
00:32:24.960 --> 00:32:30.599
But I like, um, Michelle's reaction to like, oh, the boys.

585
00:32:30.599 --> 00:32:31.259
Come on.

586
00:32:31.319 --> 00:32:33.180
They nicked that in DS9.

587
00:32:33.420 --> 00:32:33.900
Do you remember?

588
00:32:33.960 --> 00:32:36.240
Ezri Ducks is pretending there's a static storm.

589
00:32:36.299 --> 00:32:40.619
So that's why she can't go back to the station and Cisco's like, cut it out, old man.

590
00:32:40.680 --> 00:32:41.759
I'm not buying it at all.

591
00:32:43.799 --> 00:32:46.619
Oh, beans around the campfire.

592
00:32:46.680 --> 00:32:47.579
Are you campers?

593
00:32:47.640 --> 00:32:48.299
either of you?

594
00:32:48.359 --> 00:32:50.880
I have camped and I don't hate it.

595
00:32:51.000 --> 00:32:57.420
And even last year, about a year ago I was on a school camp, which was quite fun.

596
00:32:57.480 --> 00:32:59.160
My husband loves camping.

597
00:32:59.279 --> 00:33:00.000
Oh, does he?

598
00:33:00.059 --> 00:33:03.839
And so I have been forced to go camping.

599
00:33:03.900 --> 00:33:12.119
And I have to say, for 2 or 3 days, I'm actually okay, as long as I've got a mattress in there, like a blind mattress in that, I don't hate it.

600
00:33:12.180 --> 00:33:14.700
But if it was raining in that, then I would absolutely detest it.

601
00:33:14.759 --> 00:33:16.740
So I can do it in short bursts.

602
00:33:16.859 --> 00:33:25.440
I had a miserable experience, you know, a gay pride in a muddy field with 8 men in a very wet tent and I never did it again.

603
00:33:25.500 --> 00:33:26.640
Oh, it was terrible.

604
00:33:26.759 --> 00:33:29.400
That just sounds like you're bragging now.

605
00:33:29.460 --> 00:33:30.720
Like, oh, sorry.

606
00:33:30.960 --> 00:33:33.779
That's camping more.

607
00:33:33.839 --> 00:33:36.299
So it wasn't like what we're seeing now.

608
00:33:36.299 --> 00:33:38.519
No, there was no bourbon.

609
00:33:38.519 --> 00:33:39.180
No singing.

610
00:33:39.240 --> 00:33:41.460
I think this is very.

611
00:33:41.519 --> 00:33:42.839
I mean, this is very sweet.

612
00:33:42.900 --> 00:33:48.599
And again, you know, like D is still doing the Vulcan racism that he's that we love him for.

613
00:33:48.660 --> 00:33:52.380
Now he's our elderly uncle who's racist against Falcans.

614
00:33:52.619 --> 00:34:04.920
I think if you are really fans of classic series, you would really appreciate this, whereas I don't quite connect with it as much, and I just think, why am I seeing these 3 middle-aged men or elderly men?

615
00:34:04.980 --> 00:34:11.639
Elderly men around discussing this, I'm getting a bit like I appreciate it, but at times I kind of think, oh, come on.

616
00:34:11.760 --> 00:34:13.380
That is right.

617
00:34:13.440 --> 00:34:19.320
Because, I mean, I think before we started this podcast later, none of this really would have connected me with me.

618
00:34:19.380 --> 00:34:22.920
But now we've seen so much of them in TOS.

619
00:34:22.980 --> 00:34:23.940
Yeah.

620
00:34:24.059 --> 00:34:28.559
I mean, they're the they're the centre of TOS in a huge way.

621
00:34:28.619 --> 00:34:29.880
I understand all that.

622
00:34:29.940 --> 00:34:33.719
And I get all the Kirk Spock stuff.

623
00:34:33.780 --> 00:34:36.179
I'm less with McCoy than the other two.

624
00:34:36.300 --> 00:34:38.820
So he's just terrible racist, Todd.

625
00:34:38.880 --> 00:34:42.000
Well, I've been hearing you say this many times.

626
00:34:42.780 --> 00:34:47.159
But when he's so grumpy all the time, I just get a bit tired.

627
00:34:47.219 --> 00:34:48.179
Yeah, yeah.

628
00:34:48.239 --> 00:34:53.460
I mean, again, because he's emotional and Spock's logical, you know, they're kind of opposites.

629
00:34:53.579 --> 00:34:57.300
But I think this is actually really odd and strange.

630
00:34:57.360 --> 00:35:04.800
And, like, it's not very good writing, but it is paid off at the end, which I think is really good, where he says, I'll die alone.

631
00:35:04.800 --> 00:35:12.119
And the reason that he thinks he'll die alone is not because he hates himself or he thinks fate is going to be terrible to him.

632
00:35:12.179 --> 00:35:18.659
It's because he has 2 loving friends who are always with him and who will always look out for him.

633
00:35:18.719 --> 00:35:25.139
And never in his wildish dreams, Nathan, did he dream it would be on that bridge in generations?

634
00:35:25.199 --> 00:35:27.780
Theridian...

635
00:35:27.840 --> 00:35:29.760
Well, Picard's there, I think.

636
00:35:29.820 --> 00:35:31.920
And Olivia Hack is not far away.

637
00:35:32.880 --> 00:35:35.820
Malcolm McDowell is about somewhere, isn't he?

638
00:35:35.880 --> 00:35:36.840
Yeah, that's true.

639
00:35:37.079 --> 00:35:40.199
So I don't get this joke.

640
00:35:40.260 --> 00:35:42.239
So it's a marshmelon.

641
00:35:42.300 --> 00:35:50.880
I don't know why he thinks it's a marshmallow and, um, um, Bones goes along with it for some reason.

642
00:35:50.940 --> 00:35:52.800
So we're toasting marshmallons.

643
00:35:52.860 --> 00:35:54.900
It's not a funny joke.

644
00:35:54.960 --> 00:35:56.099
No, it's not.

645
00:35:56.099 --> 00:35:56.820
I don't know what it is.

646
00:35:56.820 --> 00:35:57.599
It's so bad.

647
00:35:57.659 --> 00:35:59.340
It could be written by the Voyager riots.

648
00:35:59.940 --> 00:36:02.280
Well, I like what you've just said.

649
00:36:02.340 --> 00:36:06.719
But yes, like, I mean, I think some of the humour in this just doesn't...

650
00:36:06.780 --> 00:36:08.519
They want it to be funny, but it just doesn't land.

651
00:36:08.579 --> 00:36:17.699
But, you know, if we look at where we're up to so far in it, like, you know, we've had character moments with all parts of the crew and these guys are hanging out, like, it's not a bad thing.

652
00:36:17.760 --> 00:36:25.980
And part of the thing is too, because I think Star Trek is primarily a TV series or a series of TV series.

653
00:36:26.039 --> 00:36:28.739
We're about to go row row.

654
00:36:28.739 --> 00:36:29.519
This is tedious.

655
00:36:29.639 --> 00:36:33.719
So I think it's a very mid, like it's a very boring choice.

656
00:36:33.780 --> 00:36:36.539
Like it's a song that small children seeing and stuff.

657
00:36:36.599 --> 00:36:43.860
But I just think the way they sing it here and they hardly get through it and they can't get, you know, Spock isn't into it.

658
00:36:43.920 --> 00:36:48.840
And then at the end, when he starts playing it, He's got that, you know, the falcon heart.

659
00:36:48.840 --> 00:36:52.380
And he starts playing it and I just thought, oh, this is adorable.

660
00:36:52.440 --> 00:36:55.440
And this is, this becomes about their relationship.

661
00:36:55.500 --> 00:37:00.840
It's these 3 old men sitting around a fire drinking bourbon and singing, teaching Spock to sing.

662
00:37:00.900 --> 00:37:01.860
Okay.

663
00:37:01.920 --> 00:37:03.960
Okay, I take your point, Nathan.

664
00:37:04.019 --> 00:37:07.800
We could depart, Captain, racist, sing this song, dude.

665
00:37:07.800 --> 00:37:09.420
Yeah, yeah. because I did mention that.

666
00:37:09.480 --> 00:37:10.380
Yeah, yeah.

667
00:37:10.440 --> 00:37:11.280
It could have been much worse.

668
00:37:11.400 --> 00:37:12.239
Oh, really?

669
00:37:12.239 --> 00:37:14.400
Listen to that, you green blooded Vulcan.

670
00:37:14.460 --> 00:37:16.260
He's such a racist.

671
00:37:18.599 --> 00:37:28.679
But it's the fact that they're just still annoying each other in the same way. you know, like 20 years later is what's adorable about it.

672
00:37:29.159 --> 00:37:36.780
It is adorable, but we are 23 minutes into this movie now, and that's the other thing. hasn't turned up, no.

673
00:37:36.840 --> 00:37:38.579
So I'm laughing.

674
00:37:38.639 --> 00:37:41.039
I liked him before he died or whatever.

675
00:37:41.039 --> 00:37:42.659
It's much less irritating.

676
00:37:43.079 --> 00:37:44.880
It's so great.

677
00:37:44.940 --> 00:37:53.340
I love them needling each other when they're like calling each other gym and captain and gym and stuff, which is all just sort of hilarious nonsense.

678
00:37:53.400 --> 00:37:58.260
And then the, you know, good night, good night, captain, good night, sport.

679
00:37:58.320 --> 00:37:59.159
Good night, doctor.

680
00:37:59.219 --> 00:38:01.860
You know, like all of that is...

681
00:38:01.920 --> 00:38:03.239
Yeah, yeah, yeah, apparently.

682
00:38:03.780 --> 00:38:06.300
Where's Janeway and Chakotay?

683
00:38:06.360 --> 00:38:07.380
I'm not sure.

684
00:38:07.380 --> 00:38:10.440
This is actually, look, they're going to sleep, for God's sake.

685
00:38:10.500 --> 00:38:11.340
We're in a movie.

686
00:38:11.400 --> 00:38:12.900
I mean what's happening?

687
00:38:13.619 --> 00:38:15.840
Well, that's what I'm saying.

688
00:38:15.900 --> 00:38:19.139
Like, it's a TV show and during the...

689
00:38:19.139 --> 00:38:19.980
Sorry, Nathan.

690
00:38:20.039 --> 00:38:21.659
Look at that model shot or that probe.

691
00:38:21.719 --> 00:38:25.619
I mean, you can actually see them moving it one inch at a time.

692
00:38:25.679 --> 00:38:26.219
Va.

693
00:38:26.280 --> 00:38:27.059
Isn't it?

694
00:38:27.119 --> 00:38:28.380
Like it's a Voyager probe.

695
00:38:28.440 --> 00:38:29.820
It's the other Voyager probe.

696
00:38:29.880 --> 00:38:31.980
The 1st one caused the 1st film.

697
00:38:32.039 --> 00:38:34.739
That must be Voyager 2 causing this 5th film.

698
00:38:34.800 --> 00:38:40.559
This Klingon, he looks a bit like me, aged 16, you know, that's all what I trust a bit like.

699
00:38:40.679 --> 00:38:43.079
He's quite he's quite fit.

700
00:38:43.139 --> 00:38:45.480
Apparently they found him playing ping-pong on a beach.

701
00:38:47.219 --> 00:38:49.920
Not for his acting prowess, then.

702
00:38:49.980 --> 00:38:51.179
Oh, yeah.

703
00:38:51.239 --> 00:38:57.179
Yeah, but for his physique and then they obviously he had to audition and screen test and he got the wrong.

704
00:38:57.239 --> 00:38:58.139
He's 25.

705
00:38:58.320 --> 00:38:59.039
Oh really?

706
00:38:59.099 --> 00:38:59.820
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

707
00:38:59.880 --> 00:39:01.019
So he's younger than everyone.

708
00:39:01.380 --> 00:39:05.760
Since they've built that enormous periscope that he's got there.

709
00:39:05.820 --> 00:39:07.500
I mean, us camp as well, isn't it?

710
00:39:07.559 --> 00:39:10.920
Why don't they use that in all future Klingon episodes?

711
00:39:10.980 --> 00:39:12.659
It's such a great prop to have.

712
00:39:12.719 --> 00:39:14.880
Oh, look at these effects.

713
00:39:15.780 --> 00:39:18.059
It's so bad.

714
00:39:18.119 --> 00:39:22.920
Like that's just miserable. she's very proud of that.

715
00:39:22.980 --> 00:39:28.380
So this woman, the character is called Vixis.

716
00:39:28.380 --> 00:39:31.440
Vixis, you say?

717
00:39:31.440 --> 00:39:32.519
Vixis.

718
00:39:32.519 --> 00:39:42.599
And she is played by a woman called Spice Williams, who is a stunt performer and stunt arranger.

719
00:39:42.659 --> 00:39:45.360
And she's spice, Nathan.

720
00:39:45.420 --> 00:39:46.619
Spice Williams.

721
00:39:46.679 --> 00:39:58.139
But she is also in the Deep Space 9 series one, episode Dax, where she plays a claystron officer who tries to abduct Jadzia.

722
00:39:58.199 --> 00:39:59.280
Oh, yeah.

723
00:39:59.400 --> 00:40:01.739
Yeah, that's a great sequence actually.

724
00:40:01.800 --> 00:40:03.420
Yeah, because she's a large woman.

725
00:40:03.539 --> 00:40:04.260
Do you know what I mean?

726
00:40:04.320 --> 00:40:05.519
Like a large intimidating woman.

727
00:40:05.579 --> 00:40:06.360
We get powerful.

728
00:40:06.420 --> 00:40:09.840
I think do we get George pretending to admire her muscles?

729
00:40:10.440 --> 00:40:16.500
Oh, no, it's just like the Encounters of the Third Kind.

730
00:40:16.559 --> 00:40:17.579
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it is a bit.

731
00:40:17.639 --> 00:40:18.239
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

732
00:40:18.420 --> 00:40:23.699
Well, even the way that they realised a shuttle, like where you don't bring the shuttle modelled here.

733
00:40:23.760 --> 00:40:25.860
We just shine a big lie behind the shell.

734
00:40:25.980 --> 00:40:27.480
There must have been a problem here, right?

735
00:40:27.539 --> 00:40:29.099
These are such tight shots.

736
00:40:29.159 --> 00:40:33.599
You can't really see what they're trying to show you.

737
00:40:33.659 --> 00:40:34.800
Right?

738
00:40:34.800 --> 00:40:35.940
They don't see the shuttles.

739
00:40:36.000 --> 00:40:37.079
Do they not have the shuttle?

740
00:40:37.139 --> 00:40:37.980
Have they just gone?

741
00:40:37.980 --> 00:40:39.239
No, they don't have the shot.

742
00:40:39.360 --> 00:40:43.619
I don't think they're on location either, I think. and go.

743
00:40:43.679 --> 00:40:45.059
But are they in the studio?

744
00:40:45.179 --> 00:40:46.739
At night?

745
00:40:46.800 --> 00:40:52.260
Yeah, and they don't have time to erect the tree, the tops of the tree, so everything's really sharply dark.

746
00:40:52.320 --> 00:40:52.980
Is that right?

747
00:40:53.039 --> 00:40:54.300
Yeah, yeah, I think so.

748
00:40:54.659 --> 00:41:09.960
I like the fact that, you know, um, Vixa, Spice, you know, the fact that there's following the old Trek tradition that you don't know whether the actor is the character or not, because they very often have, there's more bizarre names than the characters, don't they, in Star Trek?

749
00:41:10.019 --> 00:41:26.340
I think this was hilarious that they're in a shuttle looking at the enterprise for like, you know, a couple of minutes here, and yet they spend in the 1st movie half an hour, just circling slowly around the shuttle, admiring it.

750
00:41:26.400 --> 00:41:27.000
Yeah.

751
00:41:27.000 --> 00:41:40.500
Remember the scene in lower decks where they do that, where they're approaching the Cerritos, and everyone's just looking in awe at the, at how beautiful it is outside the shutter window, while the hero lower decks music plays. wonderful style.

752
00:41:40.559 --> 00:41:44.820
It's funnier when they're going around DS 9. go around a few more times.

753
00:41:44.880 --> 00:41:45.360
Come on.

754
00:41:47.280 --> 00:41:54.480
I mean, to be fair, that is a great point, I said this is slow, but it's in no way as slow as the motion picture.

755
00:41:54.539 --> 00:41:58.679
But again here with the whole landing of the shuttle and that.

756
00:41:58.800 --> 00:42:02.039
I think I actually like this sequence. again, it's a practical prop.

757
00:42:02.099 --> 00:42:11.579
Like, when you had Shatna falling down to the bottom of the mountain, right at the end, it was practical and it actually looks, it's, I think it's well directed and it looks good.

758
00:42:11.639 --> 00:42:12.780
I mean, look at this.

759
00:42:12.840 --> 00:42:17.400
You know, the actor's in that big giant Galileo thing that's landing that it's beautifully designed.

760
00:42:17.460 --> 00:42:21.000
It's a big update on the ones that we had 20 years ago in the show.

761
00:42:21.059 --> 00:42:23.039
I have got 30000000 though.

762
00:42:23.099 --> 00:42:26.460
I mean, I would expect special effects like that.

763
00:42:26.639 --> 00:42:29.400
But this does make it feel like a movie.

764
00:42:29.460 --> 00:42:30.300
Do you know what I mean?

765
00:42:30.360 --> 00:42:31.559
Like you've got much bigger studio.

766
00:42:31.619 --> 00:42:34.920
Like that's a big studio space with those big prop shuttles in it.

767
00:42:34.980 --> 00:42:36.480
You know, it's pretty good, I think.

768
00:42:36.539 --> 00:42:40.139
The thing that really stands out, used TNG too, yeah?

769
00:42:40.199 --> 00:42:45.719
is the lighting, just the lighting in these movies. is just so superior to anything they're doing on TV at this point.

770
00:42:45.780 --> 00:43:01.320
Well, TNG's lighting in season one and 2 is pretty, is better than it ends up being, they go with that very, you know, very big key light on everything where there's no shadows or black in the frame ever, you know?

771
00:43:01.380 --> 00:43:05.039
We're learning, Tom, but they...

772
00:43:05.099 --> 00:43:07.800
I do love this Yeah, I think the door stuff.

773
00:43:07.860 --> 00:43:08.519
I think it's just.

774
00:43:08.579 --> 00:43:13.260
I love the fact that, you know, the ship isn't all operational.

775
00:43:13.320 --> 00:43:15.179
Now, this woman, does she get any lines at all?

776
00:43:15.239 --> 00:43:16.199
She says a bun head.

777
00:43:16.260 --> 00:43:18.420
That is that Shatner's daughter.

778
00:43:18.480 --> 00:43:19.139
Oh wow.

779
00:43:19.260 --> 00:43:20.159
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

780
00:43:20.219 --> 00:43:23.039
So that's Shatner's daughter handing Shatner his uniform.

781
00:43:23.099 --> 00:43:25.139
She actually writes the book.

782
00:43:25.199 --> 00:43:26.099
I was telling you about.

783
00:43:26.219 --> 00:43:29.940
So it is Shatner's account, but as told by her.

784
00:43:30.420 --> 00:43:40.800
There's wonderful stories in that book of the 1st screening of the film before they did all the reshoes and everyone just going, oh, what have we done?

785
00:43:42.239 --> 00:43:43.920
Terrible.

786
00:43:43.980 --> 00:43:47.099
But they did change a lot and they were very happy.

787
00:43:47.159 --> 00:43:52.139
Apparently he eventually he learned to love his own movie, Shatner.

788
00:43:52.199 --> 00:43:53.340
So at least he had a good time.

789
00:43:53.400 --> 00:44:05.039
So this is Rear Admiral Bob on the screen. and Rear Admiral Bob is played by Harv Bennett, the producer.

790
00:44:05.099 --> 00:44:15.900
And this is his last Star Trek film because it goes so badly that someone else gets the producer's job for six.

791
00:44:15.960 --> 00:44:19.019
But he's been here since two.

792
00:44:19.079 --> 00:44:25.019
So he was the producer on that incredible trilogy of Star Trek films.

793
00:44:25.079 --> 00:44:27.659
I was reading that he didn't want to do this.

794
00:44:27.719 --> 00:44:39.300
Um, and that his relationship with Numoya deteriorated in four and he was really unsure about doing this and then he did it and yeah, he regretted it. bless him.

795
00:44:40.739 --> 00:44:55.739
I have to say this, then I think that William Shatner actually looks pretty fit here, like, you know, I'm comparing him to the rest of the cast, um, well, he's the same age as Nemoy and I think Nemoy looks older.

796
00:44:55.800 --> 00:44:56.460
He does.

797
00:44:56.519 --> 00:45:00.059
And the 2 younger ones don't look necessarily younger than him.

798
00:45:00.119 --> 00:45:02.219
Yeah, especially Chekhov.

799
00:45:02.280 --> 00:45:05.820
And I'm sorry, this is not a great close-up on McCoy.

800
00:45:05.880 --> 00:45:06.960
McCoy looks quite odd.

801
00:45:07.019 --> 00:45:09.719
No, you actually, that was well timed, you saying that.

802
00:45:09.780 --> 00:45:12.599
That was a wacking great close up on De Forrest.

803
00:45:12.659 --> 00:45:14.039
Well, he's 70, you know?

804
00:45:14.099 --> 00:45:15.300
He was like, he's 70.

805
00:45:15.420 --> 00:45:20.460
So we're just getting the mission now. and we're 30 minutes into the movie.

806
00:45:20.579 --> 00:45:22.679
And the mission isn't even the thing.

807
00:45:22.739 --> 00:45:23.460
Do you know what I mean?

808
00:45:23.579 --> 00:45:25.860
Like the mission's not the actual interesting thing.

809
00:45:25.920 --> 00:45:29.099
The thing is that we've got a guy who is searching for God.

810
00:45:29.159 --> 00:45:30.960
And when do we learn about that?

811
00:45:31.019 --> 00:45:35.159
You know, like an hour in, it's so leisurely.

812
00:45:35.219 --> 00:45:39.900
And yes, it's hang time, but, but it is also really boring.

813
00:45:39.960 --> 00:45:41.639
It means there's just not much easy.

814
00:45:41.699 --> 00:45:43.739
Did you see that close-up of the Klingon ship there?

815
00:45:43.800 --> 00:45:46.019
So they weren't moving the camera.

816
00:45:46.079 --> 00:45:47.400
They were moving the model.

817
00:45:47.460 --> 00:45:48.840
Are you sure?

818
00:45:49.679 --> 00:45:51.480
Well, it looks like it.

819
00:45:51.599 --> 00:45:54.719
Yeah, I know, but it looks sometimes that's how they do it.

820
00:45:54.840 --> 00:45:58.199
You know, they're not moving the enterprise model most of the time.

821
00:45:58.260 --> 00:46:01.440
Because if you were moving the camera, you'd go along the body, right?

822
00:46:01.500 --> 00:46:03.539
Whereas it was just, it was spinning.

823
00:46:03.599 --> 00:46:05.159
The shit was just spinning.

824
00:46:05.219 --> 00:46:05.760
Oh, okay.

825
00:46:05.820 --> 00:46:06.659
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

826
00:46:06.780 --> 00:46:09.960
Yeah, see, he's good looking, this Klingon, isn't he?

827
00:46:10.440 --> 00:46:14.400
That, and like a cartoon, like the, what the hell is that?

828
00:46:14.460 --> 00:46:15.119
That's terrible.

829
00:46:15.179 --> 00:46:17.699
It looked a bit like the animated series, didn't it?

830
00:46:17.760 --> 00:46:18.900
Didn't at the start of that.

831
00:46:18.960 --> 00:46:22.619
You could just see the ship sort of zoom across in a way.

832
00:46:22.679 --> 00:46:24.360
This is wonderful, isn't it?

833
00:46:24.420 --> 00:46:32.940
He's about to do a captain's log, but the captain's log. doesn't work and a thing buoys off it and he has to close it and he doesn't get to do his captain's log.

834
00:46:33.000 --> 00:46:42.239
Again, we've had some nice little comedy moments and moments with, you know, everybody, but you need some tension and pace.

835
00:46:42.360 --> 00:46:45.119
And then intercut with that and we're not getting it.

836
00:46:45.179 --> 00:46:46.739
It's just too leisurely.

837
00:46:46.800 --> 00:46:49.860
That's what 6 gets so right, isn't it?

838
00:46:49.920 --> 00:46:59.460
Is there's that whole plot going on on the ship whilst they're doing comedy moments and the blood hanging in the air and who's the traitor and all of that's going on whilst we're having fun.

839
00:46:59.519 --> 00:47:08.519
But I mean, it starts with the moon exploding. you know, and it starts and it's very clearly going to be about Chernobyl and the fall of the Soviet Empire and stuff.

840
00:47:08.579 --> 00:47:10.380
So it's about something.

841
00:47:10.440 --> 00:47:12.300
We know it's about something straight away.

842
00:47:12.360 --> 00:47:14.219
We don't know what this film's about. yet.

843
00:47:14.519 --> 00:47:27.719
I will say, though, the 2nd they beam down and we're having an adventure on the planet and they're trying to rescue all the people and Ahura's doing her naked and all of that stuff and them getting in there in the action.

844
00:47:27.780 --> 00:47:30.659
I was like, yeah, okay, this has started moving now.

845
00:47:30.719 --> 00:47:31.380
We've arrived.

846
00:47:31.440 --> 00:47:32.340
Yeah.

847
00:47:32.400 --> 00:47:34.800
But again, that's just a big set piece, though, isn't it?

848
00:47:34.860 --> 00:47:36.239
We'll get to it.

849
00:47:36.300 --> 00:47:37.260
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

850
00:47:37.320 --> 00:47:37.980
Yeah, yeah.

851
00:47:38.039 --> 00:47:39.659
And, wow.

852
00:47:39.719 --> 00:47:44.760
I mean, this stuff, I think, it seems very kind of ripped from the headlines.

853
00:47:44.820 --> 00:47:48.599
We've had hostages and stuff like that, I guess.

854
00:47:48.659 --> 00:47:49.079
I don't know.

855
00:47:49.860 --> 00:47:57.360
But isn't it always the way that, you know, somebody has to recognise the villain and not really say anything about it?

856
00:47:57.420 --> 00:48:01.019
I mean, obviously it's going to be Spock here.

857
00:48:01.079 --> 00:48:01.860
Yeah.

858
00:48:01.920 --> 00:48:02.519
Yeah.

859
00:48:02.579 --> 00:48:06.059
But look how, look how old Spock looks compared to Shatner.

860
00:48:06.119 --> 00:48:10.860
It is the choice between fat and old that we're all eventually faced with, I think.

861
00:48:10.920 --> 00:48:13.320
You either look like Nathan.

862
00:48:13.380 --> 00:48:16.199
You can sort of smooth out the wrinkles.

863
00:48:16.260 --> 00:48:18.539
I mean, look at the light effect I've got today, look.

864
00:48:18.599 --> 00:48:21.960
You can smooth out the wrinkles with a good lighting designer.

865
00:48:22.019 --> 00:48:24.599
Maybe they just weren't earning their money.

866
00:48:24.719 --> 00:48:26.039
So where are we now?

867
00:48:26.099 --> 00:48:28.440
So this, I wondered that.

868
00:48:28.500 --> 00:48:30.059
I kind of went, what is this room?

869
00:48:30.179 --> 00:48:31.260
Is this the captain's ready room?

870
00:48:31.320 --> 00:48:31.980
Is it the lounge?

871
00:48:32.039 --> 00:48:33.119
Why have we got this big wheel?

872
00:48:33.179 --> 00:48:49.679
I think it's the lounge and I think the original plan was for it to be in the same place that 10 forward is on the Enterprise. on the Enterprise D. And there was even some talk about getting the, um, like amending the model.

873
00:48:49.739 --> 00:48:52.559
So it had that big window on the front, but it doesn't.

874
00:48:52.619 --> 00:48:58.320
And so this is the lounge, so it is sort of like 10 forward, I guess, but not a bar.

875
00:48:58.380 --> 00:49:00.119
I think it's a nice space.

876
00:49:00.179 --> 00:49:04.019
That's a very ostentatious bit of decoration though, that wheel.

877
00:49:04.739 --> 00:49:08.039
But the whole thing with all the wood is like an old sailing ship.

878
00:49:08.099 --> 00:49:08.760
Yeah, yeah.

879
00:49:08.880 --> 00:49:13.800
And it has to bold to go where no one has gone before on a plaque on it.

880
00:49:13.860 --> 00:49:17.639
Sorry to be niche, but were you getting Doctor Who Enlightenment vibes?

881
00:49:17.639 --> 00:49:18.420
Oh, maybe.

882
00:49:18.420 --> 00:49:19.860
Styles there.

883
00:49:19.920 --> 00:49:21.539
Yeah, yeah, certainly.

884
00:49:21.659 --> 00:49:25.619
So this is some valuable exposition about cybok.

885
00:49:27.300 --> 00:49:29.099
Animal passion.

886
00:49:29.159 --> 00:49:30.360
Of course, it's his half brother.

887
00:49:30.420 --> 00:49:32.460
It couldn't just be another Vulcan could it?

888
00:49:32.519 --> 00:49:33.539
No, that's right.

889
00:49:33.599 --> 00:49:36.119
But it's like, you never tell me you heard a brother before.

890
00:49:36.179 --> 00:49:39.360
And then it's kind of like, and he's thinking to himself, yeah.

891
00:49:39.480 --> 00:49:42.719
And I'm not allowed to tell you about my sister either.

892
00:49:42.900 --> 00:49:45.300
Um, yeah.

893
00:49:45.360 --> 00:49:49.260
Yeah, he's got a lot of hidden siblings, that one.

894
00:49:49.320 --> 00:49:57.300
I'm just looking at the lighting on the faces and very favourable for William there.

895
00:49:57.360 --> 00:49:58.440
Yeah, yeah.

896
00:49:58.500 --> 00:50:01.260
Well, that's right. giving himself some excellent hero lighting.

897
00:50:01.320 --> 00:50:02.820
I'm going to be horrible.

898
00:50:02.880 --> 00:50:05.159
He knows where the camera is on me, will you?

899
00:50:05.219 --> 00:50:08.940
Can I be a bit horrible about, yeah, go on, the bell bottoms?

900
00:50:09.000 --> 00:50:10.320
Oh, you don't like the?

901
00:50:10.380 --> 00:50:10.679
No.

902
00:50:10.739 --> 00:50:11.579
No, I don't.

903
00:50:11.639 --> 00:50:15.719
So Picard adopts the bell bottoms in series five.

904
00:50:15.780 --> 00:50:23.639
Remember his special Picard velour outfit or whatever it is, suede, his suede jacket, which has the power bottoms.

905
00:50:23.699 --> 00:50:25.019
What episode is that in?

906
00:50:25.079 --> 00:50:28.320
In, like, quite a few episodes of series five.

907
00:50:28.380 --> 00:50:32.579
He's got the special his own special uniform.

908
00:50:32.639 --> 00:50:35.519
I mean, they're naval, so it's a thing.

909
00:50:36.480 --> 00:50:50.219
So, Jimmy's only been in one scene so far with the main cast when they arrived on to the Enterprise and the Dock, and now he's just doing all of his scenes by himself.

910
00:50:50.280 --> 00:50:52.199
Yeah, he steals the movie, right?

911
00:50:52.260 --> 00:50:54.360
The bit where he gets knocked out.

912
00:50:54.420 --> 00:50:58.260
I bet I got the biggest laugh in the theatre. undoubtedly, I would think so.

913
00:50:58.320 --> 00:51:00.539
Chekhov has said nothing for agents.

914
00:51:00.599 --> 00:51:02.760
I mean, look at the scale here.

915
00:51:02.820 --> 00:51:04.860
The shuttle, the planet and the moon.

916
00:51:04.920 --> 00:51:07.320
It's just all the wrong sky.

917
00:51:07.380 --> 00:51:09.059
It's really bad.

918
00:51:09.119 --> 00:51:11.039
Now we're doing aliens.

919
00:51:11.099 --> 00:51:15.179
I mean, because this, you know, like...

920
00:51:16.260 --> 00:51:25.320
Well, a drop ship, but we've turned it into, you know, it doesn't look like the Galileo from Galileo 7.

921
00:51:25.380 --> 00:51:26.940
It looks like a drop sheep.

922
00:51:27.000 --> 00:51:29.760
I mean, that, genuine, the shuttle coming in.

923
00:51:29.820 --> 00:51:30.840
Oh, they look at that.

924
00:51:30.840 --> 00:51:33.360
Oh, that's terrible.

925
00:51:34.139 --> 00:51:35.699
What is this?

926
00:51:35.760 --> 00:51:39.659
Is this out of some sort of video game from 1984?

927
00:51:39.719 --> 00:51:40.679
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

928
00:51:40.739 --> 00:51:46.920
But it also, I think it also really kind of does look like the animated series. you know, in all sorts of ways.

929
00:51:46.980 --> 00:51:51.059
The shuttle coming in looked like Harry Howell sort of stopped motion animation.

930
00:51:51.119 --> 00:51:52.980
I mean, it just looks terrible.

931
00:51:53.039 --> 00:51:57.000
I do like this stuff with Captain Jakov.

932
00:51:57.059 --> 00:51:57.719
Yeah.

933
00:51:58.199 --> 00:52:01.980
Anything with the actors, I'm kind of all right.

934
00:52:02.099 --> 00:52:05.039
And again, we're cutting to the actual physical prop landing.

935
00:52:05.039 --> 00:52:06.179
That looks good.

936
00:52:06.239 --> 00:52:07.260
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

937
00:52:07.320 --> 00:52:07.739
Yep.

938
00:52:07.800 --> 00:52:08.400
Does look good.

939
00:52:08.460 --> 00:52:11.880
Again, though, I think they're moving the prop rather than the camera.

940
00:52:11.940 --> 00:52:14.460
Yeah, yeah, I think they are.

941
00:52:14.519 --> 00:52:20.340
I think, I mean, I think that prop has to end up on Star Trek the Next Generation at some point, surely.

942
00:52:20.400 --> 00:52:21.840
That shuttle, surely.

943
00:52:21.960 --> 00:52:22.440
Yeah.

944
00:52:22.500 --> 00:52:23.159
Yeah.

945
00:52:23.219 --> 00:52:30.599
I don't think you see the shuttle in TNG until, you know, the one you hate with the 2 Captain Picard in season two.

946
00:52:30.659 --> 00:52:32.760
E squared or something?

947
00:52:32.820 --> 00:52:34.380
Yeah, that one.

948
00:52:34.440 --> 00:52:35.460
Yeah, something like that.

949
00:52:35.519 --> 00:52:36.659
Is it E squared?

950
00:52:36.719 --> 00:52:38.880
I can't remember How many minutes are we into this movie?

951
00:52:38.940 --> 00:52:40.559
Oh let's have a look.

952
00:52:40.619 --> 00:52:43.199
We haven't had a single bit of action, yeah?

953
00:52:43.440 --> 00:52:46.199
Well, 38 minutes.

954
00:52:46.380 --> 00:52:48.659
And there's been no deadly danger.

955
00:52:48.719 --> 00:52:52.139
No, no, we're just, now we're getting ready.

956
00:52:52.199 --> 00:52:53.699
Oh, this...

957
00:52:53.699 --> 00:52:59.159
Well, no, the danger here is like, you know, will Cybox survive this attack on Paradise City?

958
00:53:00.059 --> 00:53:02.219
Why would we care about that?

959
00:53:02.519 --> 00:53:10.199
So they've got to steal some of the horses and the horses have been dressed in the great Star Trek tradition.

960
00:53:10.260 --> 00:53:13.920
They are dressed up with they give it little horse.

961
00:53:13.920 --> 00:53:15.480
Here we go.

962
00:53:21.420 --> 00:53:25.380
That moon behind her is bloody enormous, isn't it?

963
00:53:25.440 --> 00:53:26.159
Yeah, yeah.

964
00:53:26.219 --> 00:53:27.480
It's down near the horizon.

965
00:53:27.539 --> 00:53:28.559
Is she naked?

966
00:53:29.519 --> 00:53:31.679
So what's she using it?

967
00:53:31.739 --> 00:53:33.900
Is it sort of like bird feathers?

968
00:53:33.960 --> 00:53:34.679
Is that what she's got?

969
00:53:34.739 --> 00:53:35.219
I don't know.

970
00:53:35.280 --> 00:53:36.599
I thought they were big palm trees.

971
00:53:36.659 --> 00:53:39.659
She is so alluring to the locals.

972
00:53:40.500 --> 00:53:42.900
I mean, just the locals told.

973
00:53:42.960 --> 00:53:44.400
It's hilarious.

974
00:53:45.360 --> 00:53:47.460
Like she's 56.

975
00:53:47.639 --> 00:53:48.300
She looks great.

976
00:53:48.360 --> 00:53:54.059
I mean, and I've been, I've seen a 56 year old. take a look at those lotals, all right?

977
00:53:54.119 --> 00:53:55.199
They look terrible.

978
00:53:57.239 --> 00:54:01.380
Is she trying to outdo like Tina Turner from Beyond the Thunder?

979
00:54:01.500 --> 00:54:04.320
Oh, possibly, but...

980
00:54:04.380 --> 00:54:06.239
It's a very odd dance she's doing.

981
00:54:06.300 --> 00:54:08.039
It's a bit like the Tarantella, isn't it?

982
00:54:08.099 --> 00:54:09.300
what she's doing.

983
00:54:09.420 --> 00:54:11.280
I mean, good honour.

984
00:54:11.820 --> 00:54:12.420
Hello, boys.

985
00:54:13.920 --> 00:54:15.659
It is a moment.

986
00:54:15.840 --> 00:54:35.880
I've always wanted to play to captive audience. good for you Well, someone did, I did read someone say that, oh, I think I might have been on Jamma's review site and I was reading the comment thread on this, and someone said that they had heard Michelle at a convention say how much she loved doing that. scene.

987
00:54:35.940 --> 00:54:37.500
So go for a go.

988
00:54:37.559 --> 00:54:38.460
I'm sure she did.

989
00:54:38.519 --> 00:54:40.139
Oh, she got something to do, Nathan.

990
00:54:40.199 --> 00:54:42.780
Another thing we noticed about TOS is she doesn't do a lot.

991
00:54:42.840 --> 00:54:44.820
No, she just answers the phones, really.

992
00:54:45.840 --> 00:54:51.480
Imagine if, saying, I don't know, Gates McFanon got to do that in a TNG movie.

993
00:54:52.019 --> 00:54:53.820
I'd watch that.

994
00:54:55.260 --> 00:54:57.599
Are they just got to walk in?

995
00:54:57.659 --> 00:54:59.280
Like, no one seems to be fighting here.

996
00:54:59.340 --> 00:55:07.320
No, because they're pretending to be the lookouts that they've just tied up or whatever the fuck happens then after...

997
00:55:07.380 --> 00:55:08.159
Have you noticed?

998
00:55:08.219 --> 00:55:10.380
They've given the horse's horns look.

999
00:55:10.440 --> 00:55:10.920
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1000
00:55:10.980 --> 00:55:11.699
That's what I'm saying.

1001
00:55:11.760 --> 00:55:13.980
They've got little horns on them like the dog does.

1002
00:55:14.039 --> 00:55:17.460
Remember the bad dog in that episode of TOS?

1003
00:55:17.519 --> 00:55:18.599
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1004
00:55:18.719 --> 00:55:19.500
The one on our logo.

1005
00:55:19.619 --> 00:55:20.699
Yeah, that guy.

1006
00:55:20.760 --> 00:55:25.199
He's gonna, it's like a dog dressed in a in an outfit to look like an alien.

1007
00:55:25.260 --> 00:55:27.000
Oh, here we go.

1008
00:55:27.059 --> 00:55:27.719
Some action.

1009
00:55:27.780 --> 00:55:29.699
Someone's got a bazooka.

1010
00:55:30.360 --> 00:55:32.219
An explosion?

1011
00:55:32.280 --> 00:55:33.539
Bloating lights.

1012
00:55:33.599 --> 00:55:33.960
Yep.

1013
00:55:34.079 --> 00:55:36.659
Oh, wow. that was George.

1014
00:55:36.719 --> 00:55:37.619
That was George.

1015
00:55:40.679 --> 00:55:44.880
And so again, this is really good.

1016
00:55:44.940 --> 00:55:48.539
This is great because he's not a villain.

1017
00:55:48.599 --> 00:55:50.099
This is, things are going wrong.

1018
00:55:50.159 --> 00:55:51.360
He wasn't expecting this at all.

1019
00:55:51.420 --> 00:55:53.280
He doesn't want people to be harmed or die.

1020
00:55:53.340 --> 00:55:55.500
He wants the ship, doesn't he?

1021
00:55:55.559 --> 00:55:57.420
Yeah, but to go and get God.

1022
00:55:57.480 --> 00:55:59.639
He doesn't want to hurt anyone and he doesn't...

1023
00:55:59.699 --> 00:56:01.619
How was he going to take the shit without any action?

1024
00:56:01.739 --> 00:56:09.179
Can I just say that when William did that action bit to knock that guy out, it didn't actually look like he connected with him at all?

1025
00:56:09.420 --> 00:56:12.300
Because we're watching this, obviously, without the sound.

1026
00:56:12.539 --> 00:56:16.380
Again, Todd, that's very like the original series, that is.

1027
00:56:16.440 --> 00:56:16.980
Yeah.

1028
00:56:18.000 --> 00:56:21.000
Okay, so, you know, with something's happening.

1029
00:56:21.059 --> 00:56:23.400
We've got this action sequence, which is all fine.

1030
00:56:23.460 --> 00:56:27.119
Oh, now...

1031
00:56:27.179 --> 00:56:30.000
He's doing the falcon nerve pinch on the horse.

1032
00:56:30.059 --> 00:56:31.920
Oh watch out.

1033
00:56:31.980 --> 00:56:32.820
Here's a big gun.

1034
00:56:34.260 --> 00:56:36.300
Jesus Christ.

1035
00:56:36.360 --> 00:56:37.500
Look at the size of that thing.

1036
00:56:37.559 --> 00:56:39.119
Yeah, Gatling gun.

1037
00:56:39.179 --> 00:56:39.900
Like, what's happening?

1038
00:56:39.960 --> 00:56:41.340
Now we're shooting people with machine guns.

1039
00:56:41.400 --> 00:56:42.300
That's no good.

1040
00:56:42.360 --> 00:56:42.840
Don't do that.

1041
00:56:42.900 --> 00:56:45.119
The casino light's gone.

1042
00:56:45.239 --> 00:56:46.500
Wait for it.

1043
00:56:46.559 --> 00:56:47.159
Wait for it.

1044
00:56:47.219 --> 00:56:49.139
Oh, this is.

1045
00:56:49.139 --> 00:56:51.179
Oh, who's going to attack you in here?

1046
00:56:51.239 --> 00:56:52.860
I just couldn't.

1047
00:56:53.099 --> 00:56:54.840
Just waiting for it.

1048
00:56:54.900 --> 00:56:56.400
I'm just waiting for me.

1049
00:56:58.920 --> 00:57:01.199
Oh, and wait for it.

1050
00:57:01.260 --> 00:57:05.340
A few spins around and then I know what I'm going to do.

1051
00:57:05.400 --> 00:57:05.880
Oh, okay.

1052
00:57:05.940 --> 00:57:10.440
This is longer than I can. reminds me, you know, of Dr. Tana and Shaq's having it.

1053
00:57:10.500 --> 00:57:12.000
Yeah, that's right.

1054
00:57:12.059 --> 00:57:15.840
Except, except we've got you.

1055
00:57:15.900 --> 00:57:22.199
We've got you, and now I'm going to throw you on the pool table, which is a pool, and she said, she doesn't get up.

1056
00:57:22.920 --> 00:57:24.780
Yeah, there you go.

1057
00:57:24.840 --> 00:57:26.460
Have you tried to see if she's okay?

1058
00:57:26.519 --> 00:57:28.679
Have you tried giving a cat a bath?

1059
00:57:28.739 --> 00:57:30.900
Okay, yeah, you can be dramatic.

1060
00:57:30.960 --> 00:57:32.400
They don't want to go near it.

1061
00:57:32.940 --> 00:57:34.739
Oh my goodness.

1062
00:57:34.800 --> 00:57:37.559
David Warner's like, yes, I'm back in the movie.

1063
00:57:38.400 --> 00:57:40.320
From one scene.

1064
00:57:42.900 --> 00:57:49.860
I fear that that cat attacking Captain Kirk may be the highlight of the film, you know, it's all downhill from here.

1065
00:57:49.920 --> 00:57:53.699
That was our one burst of energy, I think, that the film has.

1066
00:57:53.820 --> 00:57:59.159
If you look at that fellow there, do you see the fellow with the terrible latex all over him holding the gun?

1067
00:57:59.219 --> 00:58:01.980
It doesn't even look like Matt Smith in time of the doctor.

1068
00:58:03.659 --> 00:58:06.539
I thought you were going to say Neelix.

1069
00:58:06.599 --> 00:58:08.579
Yeah, I was going to say nearly.

1070
00:58:08.639 --> 00:58:10.860
I would never be that cruel, Todd.

1071
00:58:12.480 --> 00:58:15.960
No, no, this is a Neelix friendly podcast.

1072
00:58:16.019 --> 00:58:18.300
Yeah, we like we like Ethan.

1073
00:58:18.360 --> 00:58:19.860
He's very sweet.

1074
00:58:20.340 --> 00:58:24.840
John is looking very happy for someone with those teeth, isn't he?

1075
00:58:24.900 --> 00:58:26.400
He's going to get some dental work soon.

1076
00:58:26.460 --> 00:58:28.440
Like Starfleet dental work.

1077
00:58:28.500 --> 00:58:31.139
Because they have socialised medicine in the Federation.

1078
00:58:31.199 --> 00:58:32.519
Oh no.

1079
00:58:32.579 --> 00:58:36.119
Do you think he got extra money for looking that bad?

1080
00:58:36.179 --> 00:58:38.460
Oh, he must have...

1081
00:58:38.519 --> 00:58:41.760
Yeah, yeah, yeah. latex eyebrow ridge as well.

1082
00:58:41.820 --> 00:58:44.460
Like he's got he's got, you know, latex on his face.

1083
00:58:44.519 --> 00:58:48.000
I don't know if you're going to go back and look at the mask at the back.

1084
00:58:48.059 --> 00:58:49.679
The guy holding the gun.

1085
00:58:49.739 --> 00:58:51.300
That's terrible.

1086
00:58:52.199 --> 00:58:55.380
But it's out of focus, fortunately.

1087
00:58:55.440 --> 00:58:58.739
It's almost the entire cast of the movie in this show.

1088
00:58:58.800 --> 00:59:00.960
Yeah, yeah, except for Chekhov.

1089
00:59:01.019 --> 00:59:05.639
Have you noticed how sort of Warner's got that sort of Backstreet Boys haircut as well?

1090
00:59:05.699 --> 00:59:07.079
The chaos.

1091
00:59:07.139 --> 00:59:08.579
So when you're tacky, bonarious.

1092
00:59:08.699 --> 00:59:09.780
Oh my goodness.

1093
00:59:09.840 --> 00:59:10.380
He does.

1094
00:59:10.440 --> 00:59:13.019
I really like Cybok.

1095
00:59:13.079 --> 00:59:14.400
I just think he's so good.

1096
00:59:14.460 --> 00:59:16.199
Like I like him so much.

1097
00:59:16.260 --> 00:59:18.119
I think it's a great character.

1098
00:59:18.179 --> 00:59:25.559
You know, it's not Nero or Khan or F. Murray Abraham with, you know, stretched latex all over his face.

1099
00:59:25.619 --> 00:59:35.099
He's just a very nice man and a religious man who wants people to feel better, you know.

1100
00:59:35.159 --> 00:59:45.659
I like that as well, especially all the bits on the ship where in any other movie, it would all be played melodramatically, but all the stuff, you know, where he's making McCoy see his pass and stuff like that.

1101
00:59:45.719 --> 00:59:48.119
You just genuinely believe he wants to help them.

1102
00:59:48.179 --> 00:59:53.400
And when he's interacting with our other characters, like they're nice.

1103
00:59:53.460 --> 00:59:55.679
They like him, you know, they trust him.

1104
00:59:55.739 --> 01:00:04.920
But I didn't quite get like, like when he does his little mind thing with them and they reveal their secret and they become nice and they come around to his ways.

1105
01:00:04.980 --> 01:00:15.360
I didn't quite get that up to this point when I was watching it as to, so the ambassadors have come on board because they've revealed their darker secrets and then he's going to do the same to the to Rihura and them.

1106
01:00:15.420 --> 01:00:18.659
And so I actually quite like how that's sort of revealed.

1107
01:00:18.719 --> 01:00:26.400
Like sometimes you will piece it together before, what's going on, but I kind of worked it out, was a bit stupid, didn't quite work it out, and I quite liked that.

1108
01:00:26.460 --> 01:00:35.579
I really like the twist that they, you know, that when they meet the ambassadors, the ambassadors are on his side and that it's not Stockholm syndrome or whatever.

1109
01:00:35.639 --> 01:00:40.679
It is that he's genuinely been nice to them and help them feel better about themselves.

1110
01:00:40.739 --> 01:00:43.260
And, you know, I don't know.

1111
01:00:43.320 --> 01:00:45.059
But don't you think it's some manipulation as well?

1112
01:00:45.119 --> 01:00:46.440
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1113
01:00:46.500 --> 01:00:53.519
And if this is negative about religion, and I think it is given that, you know, later on, Chatter is going to be hunted through the sand dunes by God.

1114
01:00:55.320 --> 01:01:01.320
So it is saying something negative about religion and, you know, he is a religious figure.

1115
01:01:01.380 --> 01:01:03.780
So there is something manipulative.

1116
01:01:03.840 --> 01:01:13.320
And remember, you know, there's things like confession where you tell a priest, the things that are weighing on your heart and stuff.

1117
01:01:13.380 --> 01:01:17.400
You know, so there's there's that sort of, there is a kind of negative feel to it.

1118
01:01:17.460 --> 01:01:19.619
But just that's not how this guy plays it.

1119
01:01:19.679 --> 01:01:21.599
He just plays him as just a nice guy.

1120
01:01:21.659 --> 01:01:22.980
That's lovely.

1121
01:01:23.039 --> 01:01:25.199
I just got distracted by the Klingons chest thing.

1122
01:01:25.260 --> 01:01:26.519
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1123
01:01:26.579 --> 01:01:30.599
This is still supposed to be a piece of entertainment. right?

1124
01:01:30.659 --> 01:01:38.099
And in a movie where there's already a lack of accident, action, a lack of fast narrative.

1125
01:01:38.159 --> 01:01:41.039
And then you have a lack of a fun villain.

1126
01:01:41.099 --> 01:01:47.519
He's a good villain, but he's not a fun villain, then I don't know, maybe maybe Christopher Plummer.

1127
01:01:47.579 --> 01:01:49.559
No, right, Avoc.

1128
01:01:49.679 --> 01:01:51.840
And let's slip the dogs of war, you know.

1129
01:01:51.900 --> 01:01:55.199
I mean, there's a reason why these actors are in these movies.

1130
01:01:55.559 --> 01:01:56.940
Yeah.

1131
01:01:57.000 --> 01:02:03.480
I just got reminded of Amanda Plummer, of course, because it's a father-daughter pair of Star Trek movie villains.

1132
01:02:03.539 --> 01:02:08.880
It's tremendous song. on in Star Trek two. you know there's some great villains in these movies.

1133
01:02:08.940 --> 01:02:10.800
No, I really like him too.

1134
01:02:10.860 --> 01:02:22.920
Like, I think he's a nice guy and he's got good intentions generally, but it's sort of like, at this point in the movie, we need to up the ante and really go to something that's going to really be dangerous.

1135
01:02:22.980 --> 01:02:25.619
What is really going on?

1136
01:02:25.679 --> 01:02:28.139
And then I think I think it's a bit of a fizzle.

1137
01:02:28.199 --> 01:02:37.440
Well, yeah, and I think they're trying to, like, we're in peril at the moment, not because of cybog, but because of, is it Clar?

1138
01:02:37.500 --> 01:02:40.079
Like he's the worst, the worst Klingon name.

1139
01:02:40.440 --> 01:02:43.860
Captain Claw with 2 A's.

1140
01:02:43.920 --> 01:02:46.260
Old 2 A's is here.

1141
01:02:46.260 --> 01:02:49.260
He does get a great moment later, though, where he makes his son apologise.

1142
01:02:49.320 --> 01:02:50.219
Ice choice.

1143
01:02:50.280 --> 01:02:51.480
Oh, like at that point.

1144
01:02:51.539 --> 01:02:55.079
But I think they're supposed to be the over the top villains, aren't they?

1145
01:02:55.139 --> 01:02:55.920
It's the young Klingon.

1146
01:02:55.980 --> 01:02:58.920
Yeah, it doesn't really impact in the way it probably should.

1147
01:02:58.980 --> 01:03:02.460
Do you remember when you had Lurther and Bator in generations?

1148
01:03:02.519 --> 01:03:03.900
I mean, we were so happy when they turned up.

1149
01:03:04.019 --> 01:03:10.139
I wish they had escaped in an escape pod to come back years later.

1150
01:03:10.199 --> 01:03:10.559
They were great.

1151
01:03:10.619 --> 01:03:11.400
They were awesome.

1152
01:03:11.460 --> 01:03:13.440
That is a wonderful story, isn't it?

1153
01:03:13.500 --> 01:03:21.480
Where Robert O'Reilly, Gowron, and they said to him, well, we're in the movie and you're not, and he's like, oh, you're in the movie, are you?

1154
01:03:21.539 --> 01:03:22.679
Well, see you later then.

1155
01:03:23.340 --> 01:03:25.019
See you again.

1156
01:03:25.559 --> 01:03:31.019
Yeah, and he's still working like he's in like the 3rd last episode of DS9, isn't he?

1157
01:03:31.079 --> 01:03:32.820
Something like that, yeah.

1158
01:03:35.880 --> 01:03:41.340
Yeah, so this, like his action sequence, again, this, I don't know what, why am I bored?

1159
01:03:41.400 --> 01:03:44.159
I just don't feel the tension here.

1160
01:03:44.219 --> 01:03:47.760
Like, oh, we've got to have the tractor bean, but oh, this is my 1st gem.

1161
01:03:47.820 --> 01:03:50.760
Oh, another humourous thing from Zulu.

1162
01:03:50.880 --> 01:03:55.860
I mean, nobody's facial expressions is really suggesting panic or anxiety, is he?

1163
01:03:55.920 --> 01:03:58.440
David Warner, who looks very worried.

1164
01:03:58.500 --> 01:04:00.239
George is doing some mugging.

1165
01:04:00.300 --> 01:04:02.760
He kind of doing comedy eye expressions.

1166
01:04:02.820 --> 01:04:03.539
I was going to say that.

1167
01:04:03.599 --> 01:04:06.539
Look at this. 30 million.

1168
01:04:07.079 --> 01:04:08.760
The cartoon.

1169
01:04:09.119 --> 01:04:10.679
Get ready.

1170
01:04:10.739 --> 01:04:13.019
I reckon we do on next gen.

1171
01:04:13.079 --> 01:04:19.800
I reckon 1000000 went on the periscope and it was well spent on the periscope, the periscope's boss.

1172
01:04:19.920 --> 01:04:21.900
It's, here we go.

1173
01:04:21.960 --> 01:04:23.280
Oh yeah, look at that.

1174
01:04:23.340 --> 01:04:24.000
Reused?

1175
01:04:24.059 --> 01:04:24.539
I don't know.

1176
01:04:24.599 --> 01:04:25.139
I don't know.

1177
01:04:25.199 --> 01:04:26.460
Now you better get.

1178
01:04:26.519 --> 01:04:27.599
No, No, I think it's bad.

1179
01:04:27.719 --> 01:04:28.920
Okay, yeah.

1180
01:04:28.980 --> 01:04:33.420
This sort of submarine red lighting is a lot kinder on everybody's face, you know.

1181
01:04:33.480 --> 01:04:35.940
Oh, this is so bad.

1182
01:04:36.000 --> 01:04:39.719
But again, because that's that's practical and that's much better.

1183
01:04:39.780 --> 01:04:40.619
Yeah, yeah.

1184
01:04:40.619 --> 01:04:41.760
Yeah.

1185
01:04:41.820 --> 01:04:43.199
The close-up practical stuff.

1186
01:04:43.679 --> 01:04:46.380
And because we saw it done properly.

1187
01:04:46.440 --> 01:04:53.940
The reason that we got to see it done properly before is we get to see George fuck it up later on in the film when they don't use the tractor beans.

1188
01:04:55.139 --> 01:04:58.860
I mean, can I ask, do they have those nets?

1189
01:04:58.920 --> 01:05:01.199
Did you see the nets in the cargo bay?

1190
01:05:01.260 --> 01:05:02.880
Are they there just in case they crash?

1191
01:05:02.940 --> 01:05:04.980
Yeah, yeah, yeah. into the cargo base?

1192
01:05:05.039 --> 01:05:05.460
Yes.

1193
01:05:05.519 --> 01:05:09.539
That's got to happen sometimes, you know, like, I don't know.

1194
01:05:09.599 --> 01:05:11.579
And look at the things on the floor.

1195
01:05:11.639 --> 01:05:12.599
That's pretty cool too.

1196
01:05:13.019 --> 01:05:16.559
Oh, the Galileo's all, but...

1197
01:05:16.559 --> 01:05:18.719
Everybody inside is dead. is knocked out.

1198
01:05:18.840 --> 01:05:19.440
Okay.

1199
01:05:19.440 --> 01:05:20.340
I can't remember.

1200
01:05:20.639 --> 01:05:22.380
Why does that happen?

1201
01:05:22.440 --> 01:05:29.039
Is it so that, I don't know, so that the tables turn, so that they get guns or something?

1202
01:05:29.099 --> 01:05:30.179
I can't even remember now.

1203
01:05:30.239 --> 01:05:31.679
I watched this this afternoon.

1204
01:05:31.739 --> 01:05:33.780
This is one of the bits where I had to...

1205
01:05:33.780 --> 01:05:35.219
Oh, where they wrestle for the gun.

1206
01:05:35.280 --> 01:05:36.059
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1207
01:05:36.119 --> 01:05:37.559
I think we can wrestle for the gun.

1208
01:05:37.619 --> 01:05:41.579
I did have to rewind this bit because I had stopped paying attention.

1209
01:05:41.699 --> 01:05:43.260
Here we go.

1210
01:05:43.260 --> 01:05:45.000
I was just going to get them first.

1211
01:05:45.059 --> 01:05:46.019
Oh, the tension.

1212
01:05:47.820 --> 01:05:49.860
Second attention.

1213
01:05:49.920 --> 01:05:50.760
My gosh.

1214
01:05:52.320 --> 01:05:54.420
We're about halfway through.

1215
01:05:54.480 --> 01:05:56.639
So there had to be something. guess so.

1216
01:05:57.840 --> 01:06:00.900
We still don't know about gold, though, do we?

1217
01:06:00.960 --> 01:06:02.880
We still don't know where we're going.

1218
01:06:03.000 --> 01:06:04.800
And we have on Star Trek five.

1219
01:06:05.159 --> 01:06:06.239
Take off.

1220
01:06:06.300 --> 01:06:09.360
That's what I want you to do just in this holding pattern.

1221
01:06:09.420 --> 01:06:11.039
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1222
01:06:11.159 --> 01:06:22.679
Like, the thing is, I wouldn't lose those childing moments at the start, but really, you should get to the point quicker than 45 minutes in or wherever we are now. very strong. 50 minutes in.

1223
01:06:22.800 --> 01:06:24.000
He's very strong doing this.

1224
01:06:24.059 --> 01:06:26.099
Falcans are...

1225
01:06:26.519 --> 01:06:30.900
But, you know, I would care more if he was a villain, you know?

1226
01:06:30.960 --> 01:06:38.880
Whereas he's actually quite nice and he's doing this if you don't quite believe that he's going to do much damage to Kirk, you know?

1227
01:06:38.940 --> 01:06:41.099
Like, do you remember Star Trek too?

1228
01:06:41.159 --> 01:06:44.699
Do you remember how quickly Star Trek 2 got to the point?

1229
01:06:44.699 --> 01:06:45.599
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1230
01:06:45.599 --> 01:06:51.360
And taking over Chekhov and literally admitting it's a revenge, you know, it's a revenge story.

1231
01:06:51.420 --> 01:06:53.219
It was so quick to the point.

1232
01:06:53.280 --> 01:06:54.719
You know what?

1233
01:06:54.780 --> 01:07:01.920
I think that William's gone and watched the next generation at this and realised this is what Star Trek Friends want.

1234
01:07:01.980 --> 01:07:04.679
So that's what I'm going to bring to...

1235
01:07:04.739 --> 01:07:06.900
Well, it's season two.

1236
01:07:06.960 --> 01:07:08.280
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1237
01:07:08.280 --> 01:07:11.099
Before they don't even have any royals on that point.

1238
01:07:11.219 --> 01:07:12.239
No.

1239
01:07:13.559 --> 01:07:15.000
Yes.

1240
01:07:15.059 --> 01:07:19.320
But I'm not sure I like Shatniko going kill him too.

1241
01:07:19.380 --> 01:07:20.519
Kill him with a big gun.

1242
01:07:20.579 --> 01:07:23.280
I mean, like, why can you not hit him until he falls over?

1243
01:07:23.340 --> 01:07:25.019
peace that he didn't do it, isn't he?

1244
01:07:25.079 --> 01:07:27.000
And what's happened to the doctor's arm?

1245
01:07:27.059 --> 01:07:30.960
Like, oh, he like the crash in the crash?

1246
01:07:31.019 --> 01:07:33.360
But does he keep doing that all the way through?

1247
01:07:33.420 --> 01:07:34.019
can't remember.

1248
01:07:34.199 --> 01:07:36.719
I just thought it was for that sequence.

1249
01:07:39.960 --> 01:07:43.199
So do we ever mention Cybop again?

1250
01:07:43.260 --> 01:07:44.699
Oh, no, we do, don't we?

1251
01:07:44.760 --> 01:07:48.239
In, um, which Kursman Trek is inch New World?

1252
01:07:48.239 --> 01:07:49.619
in Strange New World?

1253
01:07:49.679 --> 01:07:56.280
So Tupring is working in some kind of penal facility for Vulcans and that's established.

1254
01:07:56.340 --> 01:08:05.579
And I think at the end of one of the episodes, probably in season one, we discover that, oh, it's in the serene squall, we've done it.

1255
01:08:05.579 --> 01:08:07.019
Do you remember the serene squall?

1256
01:08:07.079 --> 01:08:18.779
Yeah. that pirate is trying to get her partner out of Tapring's facility and it turns out her partner's Cybogg.

1257
01:08:18.840 --> 01:08:20.220
Young Cyborg.

1258
01:08:20.279 --> 01:08:21.960
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1259
01:08:22.020 --> 01:08:23.699
We just see him in silhouette.

1260
01:08:23.760 --> 01:08:25.680
See, here's giving a moment alone.

1261
01:08:25.739 --> 01:08:28.319
Don't be afraid, and then they're going to fall under his spell.

1262
01:08:28.380 --> 01:08:29.340
Yeah, yeah.

1263
01:08:29.399 --> 01:08:33.899
I know he's finding out like, you know, good stuff, but I still think it's mind control.

1264
01:08:33.960 --> 01:08:35.699
Oh, yeah, no, it is.

1265
01:08:35.760 --> 01:08:37.560
It's not played as mind controlled.

1266
01:08:37.619 --> 01:08:38.340
Do you know what I mean?

1267
01:08:38.399 --> 01:08:41.520
It's not played as a mad thing. played a different way.

1268
01:08:41.579 --> 01:08:43.140
It's not played as totally evil.

1269
01:08:43.199 --> 01:08:48.479
But they've been brought around to his way of thinking through what he's done.

1270
01:08:48.539 --> 01:08:50.399
So it is mind manipulation.

1271
01:08:50.460 --> 01:08:51.479
Yeah.

1272
01:08:51.479 --> 01:08:53.939
But, but it's presented as something kind.

1273
01:08:54.000 --> 01:08:56.760
So I never realised this. in the brig, right?

1274
01:08:57.659 --> 01:09:00.960
And that's the toilet.

1275
01:09:01.020 --> 01:09:02.640
Isn't it?

1276
01:09:02.699 --> 01:09:05.159
He's about to sit on the toilet, so he's kidding me.

1277
01:09:05.220 --> 01:09:08.100
No, no, because it says not used while in space, dog.

1278
01:09:08.159 --> 01:09:08.939
Oh, no.

1279
01:09:08.939 --> 01:09:11.760
And then he pulls it out of the mall and he sits on it.

1280
01:09:11.819 --> 01:09:15.239
It's some of that human. toilet humour.

1281
01:09:15.300 --> 01:09:17.100
Oh your brother.

1282
01:09:17.159 --> 01:09:18.180
Your brother, brother.

1283
01:09:18.239 --> 01:09:20.640
Well, because the brother thing's important too.

1284
01:09:20.699 --> 01:09:28.380
Again, this gets resolved in the very final scene, where where Shatner says, I lost a brother once. you know, but then I got him back.

1285
01:09:28.500 --> 01:09:32.340
God, those outfits are ugly, aren't they?

1286
01:09:32.399 --> 01:09:34.199
Yeah, they really are.

1287
01:09:34.319 --> 01:09:36.779
They look like army surplus.

1288
01:09:36.899 --> 01:09:38.460
Yeah, that's the toilet.

1289
01:09:38.579 --> 01:09:40.920
I think I used to have one for cadets at school.

1290
01:09:40.979 --> 01:09:43.199
Yeah, yeah. really looks like that.

1291
01:09:43.260 --> 01:09:44.279
Oh dear.

1292
01:09:44.340 --> 01:09:45.960
Oh, we really doing this.

1293
01:09:46.020 --> 01:09:49.680
You and Cybok have the same father, but different mothers?

1294
01:09:49.739 --> 01:09:51.180
Yeah, yeah.

1295
01:09:51.180 --> 01:09:52.319
That's how it happened.

1296
01:09:52.380 --> 01:09:53.220
Why did you know this before?

1297
01:09:53.279 --> 01:09:57.420
We need it for the plot. that's right And while I'm here, I have a sister.

1298
01:09:57.420 --> 01:09:59.039
Let me tell you about Michael Burton.

1299
01:09:59.100 --> 01:10:01.800
She'll be very important later on in the franchise.

1300
01:10:01.859 --> 01:10:04.140
She'll be responsible for everything.

1301
01:10:08.039 --> 01:10:11.699
And yeah, so why don't you throw him in the brig?

1302
01:10:11.760 --> 01:10:12.539
Well, he's already here.

1303
01:10:12.600 --> 01:10:13.619
Like that's the thing.

1304
01:10:13.739 --> 01:10:15.539
Oh, here we go.

1305
01:10:15.600 --> 01:10:16.380
How do we get out of here?

1306
01:10:16.500 --> 01:10:18.000
I really like that too.

1307
01:10:18.060 --> 01:10:19.920
And in fact, I really like that scene.

1308
01:10:19.979 --> 01:10:23.579
Again, this is just the 3 of them, again, locked in a room together.

1309
01:10:23.640 --> 01:10:26.760
This has been their last 20 years has essentially been this.

1310
01:10:26.819 --> 01:10:28.079
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1311
01:10:28.140 --> 01:10:31.859
This is what this is about more than anything else.

1312
01:10:31.920 --> 01:10:33.359
Look at George.

1313
01:10:33.420 --> 01:10:34.439
Like he just...

1314
01:10:34.439 --> 01:10:37.800
I'm sorry, sometimes his facial expressions just don't work.

1315
01:10:38.279 --> 01:10:40.140
He seems very happy.

1316
01:10:40.199 --> 01:10:44.100
I don't dislike him, but he's interesting.

1317
01:10:44.159 --> 01:10:49.680
He was really unhappy that they made his character gay in the Kelvin universe.

1318
01:10:49.739 --> 01:11:03.359
Yeah, and I mean, I kind of get it because, you know, as an actor, there, he must have had the fear that if it was generally known that he was gay, that would restrict what he could be cast as.

1319
01:11:03.420 --> 01:11:11.579
You know, like nowadays, you can cast Jonathan Bailey as a straight man and everyone in the Dandy cinema will laugh when he...

1320
01:11:11.579 --> 01:11:12.479
Not convinced, but yeah.

1321
01:11:12.539 --> 01:11:13.680
No, no one did.

1322
01:11:13.739 --> 01:11:19.380
But I think if you're a gay actor playing a character that's straight.

1323
01:11:19.439 --> 01:11:22.739
You want to think that you've done a convincing job that nobody would really know.

1324
01:11:22.800 --> 01:11:26.159
But I mean, because, you know, it never really came up.

1325
01:11:26.220 --> 01:11:28.439
No, it was just neutral.

1326
01:11:28.500 --> 01:11:29.220
Yeah, yeah.

1327
01:11:29.279 --> 01:11:34.260
Oh, he does call, doesn't he call a fair maiden at one point?

1328
01:11:34.319 --> 01:11:37.739
But the end of the movie, you know, they're both interested in the Klingon woman.

1329
01:11:37.800 --> 01:11:39.300
Yeah, yeah, yeah, right.

1330
01:11:39.359 --> 01:11:40.920
Oh dear.

1331
01:11:40.979 --> 01:11:42.779
So he is straight.

1332
01:11:43.500 --> 01:11:50.399
But, I mean, I think we should be so happy that I just put in a gay character in Star Trek, for God's sake.

1333
01:11:50.460 --> 01:11:51.359
I know.

1334
01:11:51.960 --> 01:12:06.479
I mean, I do like all of this, but I just wish there was more... actual... danger and a real reason why we need to escape, like, because there's an urgency because something is going to really bad happen and we still don't...

1335
01:12:06.720 --> 01:12:09.659
But there's no pace to any of this.

1336
01:12:09.720 --> 01:12:12.359
We're just in a room nattering.

1337
01:12:12.420 --> 01:12:21.119
And and so there's a line later on where God tells them, oh, you must have had a very difficult journey to get here.

1338
01:12:21.180 --> 01:12:24.000
And all I could think was, no, not really.

1339
01:12:24.060 --> 01:12:25.739
They just sort of drove up here.

1340
01:12:25.859 --> 01:12:27.600
Can I ask a question?

1341
01:12:27.659 --> 01:12:29.399
He's announcing his intention to the rest of the ship.

1342
01:12:29.520 --> 01:12:33.779
How many, like, I mean, I know it's just been out of space, dog, but how many other people are there on this ship?

1343
01:12:33.840 --> 01:12:38.699
Is nobody actually going to try and mount sort of an attempt on the bridge or something?

1344
01:12:38.760 --> 01:12:40.560
Like we're all just walking around the corridor.

1345
01:12:40.680 --> 01:12:41.939
I think they all like him.

1346
01:12:42.000 --> 01:12:44.399
Oh, did you see him in the corridor?

1347
01:12:44.460 --> 01:12:46.920
They're all just going, yo, I haven't thought about those questions.

1348
01:12:46.979 --> 01:12:47.399
No.

1349
01:12:47.460 --> 01:12:48.420
How interesting.

1350
01:12:49.199 --> 01:12:51.539
God, that sounds great.

1351
01:12:51.600 --> 01:12:53.039
Maybe we could meet him.

1352
01:12:53.579 --> 01:12:57.720
Oh, let's go, who is this fucker, for God's sake?

1353
01:12:57.779 --> 01:13:00.420
The carpet's very T&G, isn't it?

1354
01:13:00.479 --> 01:13:04.439
We lose the carpet, Todd, don't we, in Kursman Shrek?

1355
01:13:04.439 --> 01:13:05.100
It's such a shame.

1356
01:13:05.159 --> 01:13:07.619
They do make fun of the carpet.

1357
01:13:07.680 --> 01:13:09.239
We got it back in TNG.

1358
01:13:09.300 --> 01:13:11.460
No, so TNG, Picard series 3, didn't we?

1359
01:13:11.520 --> 01:13:12.000
Yeah.

1360
01:13:12.060 --> 01:13:21.659
Well, that's the thing that that's the thing that Picard says that he misses the most about the Enterprise D. It's the 1st thing he mentions when he goes on the bridge, the carpet.

1361
01:13:21.720 --> 01:13:24.239
It was a very funny bit of trivia, wasn't it?

1362
01:13:24.300 --> 01:13:31.140
when they had to hoover that bloody bridge set before they all went on it and nobody is allowed on this set until we shoo, all right?

1363
01:13:31.859 --> 01:13:33.359
Wow.

1364
01:13:33.359 --> 01:13:47.880
So, Shakari, um, which is apparently because they wanted Sean Connery to play Cybok, um, but he was busy uh, doing Indiana Jones.

1365
01:13:48.000 --> 01:13:51.000
So the planet is called Sean Connery.

1366
01:13:51.060 --> 01:13:54.359
I think it would have been a more knowing performance, don't you?

1367
01:13:54.359 --> 01:13:58.680
With Connery in this, it would have been more winky winky to the audience.

1368
01:13:58.739 --> 01:13:59.279
I think.

1369
01:13:59.340 --> 01:13:59.880
Yeah.

1370
01:13:59.939 --> 01:14:04.319
I mean, I like the way this guy plays and I think he's really good. is good.

1371
01:14:04.380 --> 01:14:07.739
But you have to think that Connery would lift it though, don't you?

1372
01:14:07.800 --> 01:14:09.840
He's not a movie villain, is he?

1373
01:14:09.899 --> 01:14:12.479
He's just, yeah, he's good.

1374
01:14:12.539 --> 01:14:15.479
I don't know if he's got like presence for a movie.

1375
01:14:15.539 --> 01:14:20.460
But Joe, as you said, like this is much more of a TV episode.

1376
01:14:20.520 --> 01:14:22.859
A distended TV episode.

1377
01:14:22.920 --> 01:14:25.500
It's still a season three.

1378
01:14:25.500 --> 01:14:29.399
We're in the Fred Freiburger season 3 of TOS.

1379
01:14:30.119 --> 01:14:36.840
I was thinking, I was trying to think, Brennan Bragger and Joe Manosky or something like that.

1380
01:14:37.739 --> 01:14:38.819
Day Voyager, yeah.

1381
01:14:38.880 --> 01:14:40.859
Choppy waters, Todd.

1382
01:14:43.020 --> 01:14:47.279
Oh, now this...

1383
01:14:47.279 --> 01:14:48.720
Stand back.

1384
01:14:48.840 --> 01:14:50.579
And they don't.

1385
01:14:50.640 --> 01:14:52.680
Oh, for goodness sake, when have you working out?

1386
01:14:52.739 --> 01:14:55.199
It's so damn.

1387
01:14:55.199 --> 01:14:56.399
The story is grown.

1388
01:14:56.460 --> 01:14:59.640
But this is well done, Scotty.

1389
01:14:59.699 --> 01:15:04.560
Like, you have got, you know, some urgency.

1390
01:15:05.159 --> 01:15:07.500
Don't you recognise a jail break when you see one?

1391
01:15:07.859 --> 01:15:11.579
Oh, look, look, Sulu is mesmerised.

1392
01:15:11.640 --> 01:15:12.420
Yes.

1393
01:15:12.479 --> 01:15:14.399
I mesmerised.

1394
01:15:15.180 --> 01:15:16.859
Here we go.

1395
01:15:16.920 --> 01:15:18.659
Here's our moment coming up quite soon.

1396
01:15:19.380 --> 01:15:22.260
Now, why are they so...

1397
01:15:22.619 --> 01:15:25.739
It's a movie, I guess, and that has to fit the cast.

1398
01:15:25.800 --> 01:15:28.800
Some other cast are a bit bigger than that.

1399
01:15:28.800 --> 01:15:30.779
I think he's where the money went, isn't it?

1400
01:15:30.840 --> 01:15:31.979
This corridor.

1401
01:15:32.039 --> 01:15:33.960
This giant Jeffreys tube.

1402
01:15:35.880 --> 01:15:38.520
Well, these people are all fucking 70.

1403
01:15:38.699 --> 01:15:41.640
They're not crawling along on their hands and knees in a Jeffries tube.

1404
01:15:41.699 --> 01:15:42.600
No, of course.

1405
01:15:43.380 --> 01:15:45.119
You're amazing.

1406
01:15:45.180 --> 01:15:47.100
This is so well tied.

1407
01:15:47.159 --> 01:15:49.079
This is great comedy.

1408
01:15:49.140 --> 01:15:51.300
But just the way it collapses.

1409
01:15:51.359 --> 01:15:52.439
That is fantastic.

1410
01:15:52.800 --> 01:15:55.079
Now we're on the Enterprise team.

1411
01:15:55.079 --> 01:15:56.760
We're watching GNG.

1412
01:15:56.819 --> 01:15:57.539
What's going on?

1413
01:15:57.600 --> 01:16:04.199
This reminds me of Charlie and the chocolate factory or the Doctor Who, that classic planet of the Daleks.

1414
01:16:04.319 --> 01:16:04.920
Yes.

1415
01:16:04.920 --> 01:16:07.319
When they're going up the shoulder shaft.

1416
01:16:07.380 --> 01:16:11.760
Oh, this whole sequence is just delirious.

1417
01:16:11.819 --> 01:16:13.680
I had so much fun watching this.

1418
01:16:13.800 --> 01:16:20.399
And again, where at climax is the 3 of them all holding on to one another?

1419
01:16:20.460 --> 01:16:28.979
Like those 3 men are all holding each other in order to grow up and down the shaft. so far.

1420
01:16:28.979 --> 01:16:30.899
I'll get him to Sick Bay.

1421
01:16:30.960 --> 01:16:40.680
I think from the 2nd that Scotty releases them from the room, it suddenly picks up again now, and it's a lot of very fun moments.

1422
01:16:41.220 --> 01:16:44.220
Now, we have a massive problem here.

1423
01:16:44.279 --> 01:16:49.319
It's a huge continuity problem, so I'm very, very upset and I'm writing to my MP as we speak.

1424
01:16:50.699 --> 01:16:58.739
On a normal ship, deck one is the top deck and the and the decks are lower.

1425
01:16:58.739 --> 01:16:59.819
Yeah.

1426
01:16:59.880 --> 01:17:01.199
Oh, we're going up.

1427
01:17:01.199 --> 01:17:04.079
But we're going up and the numbers are also going up.

1428
01:17:04.140 --> 01:17:10.260
Also, it seems like the ship has like 70 decks or something which is absolutely...

1429
01:17:10.319 --> 01:17:10.920
Where did we come from?

1430
01:17:11.279 --> 01:17:13.560
I don't know who cares?

1431
01:17:13.859 --> 01:17:16.920
He's been wearing those boots for the whole film.

1432
01:17:16.979 --> 01:17:18.960
He's wearing them for an hour.

1433
01:17:19.020 --> 01:17:20.699
But he's gone and got them.

1434
01:17:20.699 --> 01:17:21.539
And then...

1435
01:17:21.539 --> 01:17:22.800
Oh, maybe he went and got them.

1436
01:17:23.100 --> 01:17:24.060
And then he's gone.

1437
01:17:24.539 --> 01:17:26.340
But do you see what I mean?

1438
01:17:26.460 --> 01:17:27.359
I'm bored.

1439
01:17:27.420 --> 01:17:28.319
Yeah, yeah.

1440
01:17:28.380 --> 01:17:31.020
It's getting those 3 men holding each other.

1441
01:17:31.079 --> 01:17:35.699
It's making just so visible, that weird independent relationship.

1442
01:17:35.760 --> 01:17:37.500
It's adorable.

1443
01:17:37.560 --> 01:17:38.399
It's perfect.

1444
01:17:38.520 --> 01:17:40.020
There we go.

1445
01:17:42.000 --> 01:17:43.979
Yeah, I do like it.

1446
01:17:44.100 --> 01:17:44.699
Like, it's nice.

1447
01:17:44.760 --> 01:17:48.840
And it's like, that's a lovely shot looking down at them coming down.

1448
01:17:48.899 --> 01:17:49.979
I mean...

1449
01:17:49.979 --> 01:17:52.560
Fire the rockets.

1450
01:17:52.619 --> 01:17:54.659
Again, some nice direction there.

1451
01:17:54.720 --> 01:17:55.439
52.

1452
01:17:55.439 --> 01:17:56.220
Oh, wow.

1453
01:17:56.279 --> 01:17:57.060
Deck 64.

1454
01:17:57.300 --> 01:17:58.079
Watch out.

1455
01:17:58.079 --> 01:18:00.239
Oh, come on.

1456
01:18:00.239 --> 01:18:02.220
Back 77.

1457
01:18:03.119 --> 01:18:07.920
Oh, the decks aren't all in the right order, Todd.

1458
01:18:07.979 --> 01:18:10.020
Can I just say?

1459
01:18:10.079 --> 01:18:12.600
Like, we've just, that's the pinnacle of the movie.

1460
01:18:12.659 --> 01:18:14.699
Yeah, I forget the most action you gave again.

1461
01:18:15.000 --> 01:18:16.739
You are right.

1462
01:18:16.800 --> 01:18:19.739
There is very Planet of the Daleks, isn't it, going up and down that shoe?

1463
01:18:19.800 --> 01:18:20.699
Yeah, yeah.

1464
01:18:21.539 --> 01:18:21.840
Wow.

1465
01:18:21.899 --> 01:18:23.399
Well, we're back in 10 forward.

1466
01:18:23.460 --> 01:18:28.260
You know when they went zooming up, you could really see that they were attached to that wall.

1467
01:18:29.399 --> 01:18:32.760
No expenses paid.

1468
01:18:32.819 --> 01:18:34.439
Spared.

1469
01:18:35.100 --> 01:18:39.300
But like, I said, to you, no, from Disneyland, a message.

1470
01:18:39.420 --> 01:18:40.739
Like, Star Trek should be silly.

1471
01:18:40.920 --> 01:18:42.659
Yeah, I agree.

1472
01:18:42.720 --> 01:18:43.619
Absolutely it should.

1473
01:18:43.680 --> 01:18:45.779
You've got to have those comic moments.

1474
01:18:45.840 --> 01:18:48.420
That's what makes any science fiction, you know?

1475
01:18:48.479 --> 01:18:50.939
That's what makes, sorry, to go off track, Doctor Who.

1476
01:18:51.000 --> 01:18:51.899
Yeah, exactly.

1477
01:18:51.960 --> 01:18:53.159
And it makes it real.

1478
01:18:53.220 --> 01:18:56.880
But I mean, this isn't the expanse or foundation or something like that.

1479
01:18:57.000 --> 01:18:58.800
You know, it's not a serious.

1480
01:18:58.859 --> 01:19:00.600
It's not science fiction, science fiction.

1481
01:19:00.659 --> 01:19:03.239
It's got to be silly and it's got a long history of being sick.

1482
01:19:03.300 --> 01:19:12.720
But there are times, Nathan, like early enterprise, late TNG where it does forget sometimes and it becomes very worthy and tictatorial.

1483
01:19:13.020 --> 01:19:15.420
Oh, they're going to the barrier.

1484
01:19:15.479 --> 01:19:16.560
Okay.

1485
01:19:16.619 --> 01:19:29.819
So in the 2nd pilot where no man has gone before, we go to the galactic barrier and that galactic barrier surrounds the entire galaxy and you can't go through it.

1486
01:19:29.880 --> 01:19:32.340
Never mentioned again until now.

1487
01:19:32.399 --> 01:19:34.920
If you're a TOS fan, you would know this.

1488
01:19:34.979 --> 01:19:37.199
You would know this because it's in the 2nd episode.

1489
01:19:37.319 --> 01:19:49.739
And in Discovery series 4, there's actually an episode called The Galactic Barrier, because they've decided it's real, and they have difficulty going outside the galactic barrier in that.

1490
01:19:49.800 --> 01:19:52.140
They just mentioned the great barrier there.

1491
01:19:52.199 --> 01:19:56.579
This is the Great Barrier, which surrounds the Galactic Centre.

1492
01:19:56.640 --> 01:19:58.859
Sorry, Queensland.

1493
01:19:59.220 --> 01:20:01.979
I'm sorry I'm sorry.

1494
01:20:02.039 --> 01:20:12.779
So there's barriers in the middle and on the outside of the galaxy. like one of those everlasting gobstoppers, you know, you suck away a bit and then there's another layer, another fucking barrier.

1495
01:20:14.460 --> 01:20:16.199
He doesn't look happy.

1496
01:20:16.260 --> 01:20:21.300
Yeah, I think I think probably the doctors said no to the teeth.

1497
01:20:21.359 --> 01:20:22.079
No to the teeth.

1498
01:20:22.140 --> 01:20:23.819
Oh, now you just have to learn.

1499
01:20:23.819 --> 01:20:25.199
A bit in a minute, right?

1500
01:20:25.319 --> 01:20:30.420
Where he seduces, I'm making that sound more exciting than it is.

1501
01:20:30.479 --> 01:20:31.199
McCoy.

1502
01:20:31.739 --> 01:20:34.079
He didn't want to do it, did he?

1503
01:20:34.140 --> 01:20:35.699
De Forrest didn't want to do that scene.

1504
01:20:35.760 --> 01:20:41.699
And Shatner said to him, that is some of the best acting you're going to get to do in a Star Trek movie in ages.

1505
01:20:41.819 --> 01:20:42.899
Do the bloody scene.

1506
01:20:42.960 --> 01:20:44.699
Why didn't he want to do it?

1507
01:20:44.819 --> 01:20:48.359
I have no idea, but he, it was in that book.

1508
01:20:48.420 --> 01:20:52.800
He had great objections to that scene and they did have to be convinced.

1509
01:20:52.859 --> 01:20:54.359
Oh, here we go.

1510
01:20:54.840 --> 01:20:56.520
Seduction.

1511
01:20:56.520 --> 01:20:58.739
There was a madman.

1512
01:20:58.800 --> 01:21:03.539
Oh my goodness, he's put me in touch with my feelings in a way that I've always wanted to express.

1513
01:21:06.060 --> 01:21:09.060
So much I want to tell you, Scotty.

1514
01:21:09.119 --> 01:21:10.800
You see that?

1515
01:21:10.800 --> 01:21:15.359
Like, this stuff is actually quite fun.

1516
01:21:15.479 --> 01:21:16.560
Yeah, yeah.

1517
01:21:16.619 --> 01:21:17.159
Yeah.

1518
01:21:17.220 --> 01:21:17.880
In a way.

1519
01:21:17.939 --> 01:21:19.680
I mean, pairing them up works.

1520
01:21:19.739 --> 01:21:21.300
It gives them both something to do at least.

1521
01:21:21.960 --> 01:21:24.539
You can haggle single full.

1522
01:21:24.600 --> 01:21:26.220
You can certainly handle Wahura, surely.

1523
01:21:26.279 --> 01:21:26.819
Yeah.

1524
01:21:26.819 --> 01:21:27.600
Yeah.

1525
01:21:27.659 --> 01:21:34.739
So, so this scene, I, like, I think this scene is good, I guess.

1526
01:21:35.640 --> 01:21:41.699
And again, it's showing us what he's doing because you're right, it is just mind control.

1527
01:21:41.760 --> 01:21:47.819
He's taking the ship over by making them all like him and want to do what he says.

1528
01:21:47.880 --> 01:21:53.939
Um, and I guess that's as insidious as just, you know, using a brain control beam or something.

1529
01:21:54.060 --> 01:21:57.420
But here we get to actually experience it.

1530
01:21:57.479 --> 01:22:03.840
We've seen it happen to other people, but now we get to see subjectively what it's like for McCoy to experience it.

1531
01:22:03.899 --> 01:22:09.899
Can I just say at this, I think at this point in the movie, I'm actually enjoying this more than when I was watching it alone.

1532
01:22:09.960 --> 01:22:11.579
That often happens.

1533
01:22:11.640 --> 01:22:14.039
It's off on the way, you know, with the really bad stuff.

1534
01:22:14.100 --> 01:22:16.500
But there's lots to recommend this.

1535
01:22:16.560 --> 01:22:18.479
Like lots of nice little bits.

1536
01:22:18.539 --> 01:22:21.119
I think I agree with.

1537
01:22:21.180 --> 01:22:27.539
Tot's take on Cyblock in that is manipulation, but I think it isn't presented that way.

1538
01:22:27.600 --> 01:22:36.899
And I think because he's not presented in a villainous way, like he would be in a TNG episode or something like that, it would be far more explicit in the direction and things like that.

1539
01:22:36.899 --> 01:22:41.399
And in the performance, there's some ambiguity there.

1540
01:22:42.239 --> 01:22:43.619
Yeah.

1541
01:22:43.739 --> 01:22:47.520
I mean, there's an anti-religious message, I guess, in a way.

1542
01:22:47.579 --> 01:22:48.600
Do you know what I mean?

1543
01:22:48.659 --> 01:22:54.600
But it's not a not, you know, he's not using a mind control ray to get people to obey him.

1544
01:22:54.659 --> 01:22:57.000
He is being kind to them.

1545
01:22:57.060 --> 01:22:58.319
This is well done, isn't it?

1546
01:22:58.380 --> 01:23:01.619
He's really well done, but again, there's no oomph.

1547
01:23:01.680 --> 01:23:04.380
We should this should be dynamic, this movie.

1548
01:23:04.560 --> 01:23:08.279
Yeah, with this, is he the only one seeing this?

1549
01:23:08.340 --> 01:23:10.380
Like, is this what he does to everybody else?

1550
01:23:10.439 --> 01:23:18.420
Like they just see this, but for some reason, we're just seeing his version of it compared to everybody else's that we don't get to see.

1551
01:23:18.479 --> 01:23:21.600
But does Jim or Spock see this?

1552
01:23:21.600 --> 01:23:23.640
or they just see him going?

1553
01:23:23.699 --> 01:23:28.079
Well, I think somehow, yes, they do because they comment on it, I think.

1554
01:23:28.140 --> 01:23:29.460
Let's have a look.

1555
01:23:29.520 --> 01:23:33.000
But I think that they, you know, it doesn't fully make sense, I think.

1556
01:23:33.060 --> 01:23:39.000
But why does he have this ability rather than other Vulcans because he's let his emotions in?

1557
01:23:39.060 --> 01:23:39.840
Yeah, something like that.

1558
01:23:39.899 --> 01:23:42.300
Again, it's not clear though, is it?

1559
01:23:42.359 --> 01:23:48.539
Because I don't think there's ever a shot or from their point of view where you just see McCoy and his dad isn't in the shot.

1560
01:23:48.600 --> 01:23:49.680
No.

1561
01:23:49.680 --> 01:24:00.479
But I think, I mean, it is interesting to direct it this way because, like, I mean, if you was, I don't know, if you were in Heaven forbid a Voyager episode, you'd see some sort of shimmery thing and you'd be going into the dream or whatever.

1562
01:24:00.539 --> 01:24:03.000
Whereas here you just walk into it.

1563
01:24:03.060 --> 01:24:05.100
It's very theatrical, really, isn't it?

1564
01:24:05.159 --> 01:24:06.720
Like, there's an artifice to it.

1565
01:24:06.779 --> 01:24:11.819
Of course, this man is only 8 years older than DeForest Kelly.

1566
01:24:12.539 --> 01:24:16.140
When he only looks 2 years old.

1567
01:24:16.439 --> 01:24:19.739
They've mastered the old age makeup at this point.

1568
01:24:19.800 --> 01:24:22.260
They could have given him another 15 layers, could they?

1569
01:24:22.560 --> 01:24:25.079
He's looking pretty wrong.

1570
01:24:25.199 --> 01:24:35.399
And I like this too, because this is like 1989, and I don't think a sister dying was un, well, even now it's still controversial, isn't it?

1571
01:24:35.460 --> 01:24:38.460
Like he is he's euthanising his father.

1572
01:24:38.520 --> 01:24:40.800
Yeah, I think this would have been a bit of a thing.

1573
01:24:40.859 --> 01:24:41.819
Yeah, yeah.

1574
01:24:41.880 --> 01:24:44.699
And so I think it's brave and progressive in a way.

1575
01:24:44.760 --> 01:24:47.100
You know, the last film we were talking about, the whales.

1576
01:24:47.159 --> 01:24:52.979
Can I just say like, De Forrest Kelly's acting in this sequence is very, very good.

1577
01:24:53.039 --> 01:24:54.600
Terrific.

1578
01:24:54.659 --> 01:24:57.840
And it shows what a good actor actually is.

1579
01:24:57.899 --> 01:25:00.180
And most of the time he's just as grumpy, you know, whatever.

1580
01:25:00.239 --> 01:25:03.600
But in this moment, you can see what he is capable of.

1581
01:25:03.659 --> 01:25:13.079
Well, there's a moment in a 2nd where him and Cyblock are start grappling with each other and they're talking about the assisted suicide and it gets mildly hysterical.

1582
01:25:13.140 --> 01:25:22.079
Nathan, you and me, I've done some episodes recently with, you know, Robert Duncan McNeil in moments of...

1583
01:25:22.380 --> 01:25:25.800
But it just goes to show you when a good actor's doing it.

1584
01:25:25.859 --> 01:25:27.840
You know, it's very different.

1585
01:25:27.960 --> 01:25:31.560
And but look how Cybocket intervenes here.

1586
01:25:31.619 --> 01:25:34.079
And he says it's okay.

1587
01:25:34.140 --> 01:25:35.760
You know, like you did the right thing.

1588
01:25:35.819 --> 01:25:38.220
He's felt bad because there's a cure.

1589
01:25:38.279 --> 01:25:39.359
There's a cure comes later.

1590
01:25:39.420 --> 01:25:53.699
But Cybok is, and like Cybok is holding him and stuff, you know, like it's, would get so much more out of this, if Cybok did it to a number of different people, like to Jim and to Spock and to somebody else.

1591
01:25:53.760 --> 01:25:55.560
You could learn so much, couldn't you?

1592
01:25:55.619 --> 01:26:06.300
But then if it then went somewhere, like this is hurting people in the long term or doing something to them, you know, negative, like really negative, not a positive, right?

1593
01:26:06.359 --> 01:26:07.859
Now, see, look, they're watching.

1594
01:26:07.920 --> 01:26:09.420
They're watching this happen.

1595
01:26:09.479 --> 01:26:10.500
So they definitely see it.

1596
01:26:10.560 --> 01:26:12.359
They're watching this between...

1597
01:26:12.359 --> 01:26:14.220
They're not seeing the old man on the bed.

1598
01:26:14.340 --> 01:26:15.359
Yeah, you're right. right.

1599
01:26:15.420 --> 01:26:18.659
But he is at least talking to them. you know, with with Johan.

1600
01:26:18.720 --> 01:26:22.079
It was just, you know, he gives him a hug and takes his pain away.

1601
01:26:22.140 --> 01:26:27.899
Here we have some dialogue where he explains why he did, he did okay.

1602
01:26:27.960 --> 01:26:29.399
See, I hide no pain.

1603
01:26:29.460 --> 01:26:32.100
Like, I would just, yeah, let's do it.

1604
01:26:32.159 --> 01:26:33.960
So we do do it to him.

1605
01:26:34.020 --> 01:26:39.779
And what I think is interesting is that, and it plays into the theme.

1606
01:26:39.840 --> 01:26:42.659
The reason it does work on McCoy, right?

1607
01:26:42.720 --> 01:26:45.539
McCoy has, he's been, he's been given the shit.

1608
01:26:46.020 --> 01:26:46.500
Right?

1609
01:26:46.560 --> 01:26:48.300
Now we get to see Spock.

1610
01:26:48.359 --> 01:26:52.979
And Spock says to Cybock, yeah, but I'm not that.

1611
01:26:53.039 --> 01:26:57.960
I'm not the foundling, like the lost boy, the, the, I can't remember the dialogue exactly.

1612
01:26:58.020 --> 01:26:59.579
Yeah, I know.

1613
01:26:59.640 --> 01:27:02.939
It's not Jane Wyman. all good scenes, right?

1614
01:27:03.000 --> 01:27:04.619
Yeah, these are not movie scenes.

1615
01:27:04.680 --> 01:27:05.939
These are episode scenes.

1616
01:27:06.060 --> 01:27:07.380
There's just a few people in a room.

1617
01:27:07.500 --> 01:27:09.119
Where's the spectacle to this?

1618
01:27:09.960 --> 01:27:21.720
But I think, so what this is, though, is the reason that this doesn't work on Spock is because Spock isn't an outsider anymore, like he was as a child.

1619
01:27:21.840 --> 01:27:29.760
He doesn't feel the sting of Sarik's rejection. because he has McCoy and Kirk.

1620
01:27:29.819 --> 01:27:30.720
Do you know what I mean?

1621
01:27:30.779 --> 01:27:34.319
And so it doesn't work on him because he doesn't feel like he's a reject.

1622
01:27:34.380 --> 01:27:44.100
This is his father rejecting him for being too human, that doesn't sting for Spock anymore because he's got sequence where they were flying up and down in the shaft a minute ago.

1623
01:27:44.159 --> 01:27:51.720
And then McCoy doesn't go with Cybok either, even though he's been helped by Cybok because there's something more important than that.

1624
01:27:51.779 --> 01:27:54.420
And it's that relationship between the 3 of them.

1625
01:27:54.479 --> 01:27:57.239
And so, you know, like, I think it does get somewhere.

1626
01:27:57.300 --> 01:28:01.680
It's probably the most interesting thing in the movie, yeah, these sequences.

1627
01:28:01.739 --> 01:28:02.220
Yeah.

1628
01:28:02.279 --> 01:28:04.380
I just don't think they belong in a movie.

1629
01:28:04.439 --> 01:28:07.020
And I think watching them now with you, I'm seeing them.

1630
01:28:07.079 --> 01:28:21.899
And that's good, but I just think that, okay, this is great, but could it have been housed in something else around it to make it really impactful as a crux for the main part of the movie or the, you know, solving the problem or whatever?

1631
01:28:21.960 --> 01:28:23.939
like that would have been brilliant.

1632
01:28:24.000 --> 01:28:31.500
Yeah, I think, because I think too, what ends up happening is that we just go with them to the bridge and it doesn't solve the problem.

1633
01:28:31.560 --> 01:28:33.300
This doesn't solve the problem.

1634
01:28:33.359 --> 01:28:38.699
After this, we all just wander off to the bridge and just stand there while he does what he was going to do anyway.

1635
01:28:38.760 --> 01:28:39.840
Do you know what I mean?

1636
01:28:39.899 --> 01:28:43.380
This isn't them deciding to fight back or anything like that.

1637
01:28:43.439 --> 01:28:52.800
It's not them deciding that what cybot can give us is nothing compared to what we give each other, which is what we discover, but that doesn't end up pushing the plot along.

1638
01:28:52.859 --> 01:29:02.100
It just needs to be linked into the denouement or whatever, and it could actually be far more impactful and just help this movie along.

1639
01:29:02.159 --> 01:29:03.119
Yeah, I agree.

1640
01:29:03.119 --> 01:29:05.159
No one stitched it all together, did they?

1641
01:29:05.220 --> 01:29:08.399
No one thought of a through line with all of this.

1642
01:29:08.460 --> 01:29:19.319
What you said at the start told about this just being a series of sort of unconnected bits and pieces. it's true Look at the galactic barrier through the through the window.

1643
01:29:19.380 --> 01:29:20.039
That looks pretty great.

1644
01:29:20.100 --> 01:29:21.180
Sorry, the Great Barrier.

1645
01:29:21.239 --> 01:29:22.439
The Great Barrier?

1646
01:29:22.500 --> 01:29:23.640
The Great Barrier.

1647
01:29:23.699 --> 01:29:26.039
There is a huge distinction between the two.

1648
01:29:26.100 --> 01:29:26.699
Okay.

1649
01:29:26.819 --> 01:29:27.720
Yeah, yeah.

1650
01:29:27.779 --> 01:29:28.560
Yeah.

1651
01:29:29.340 --> 01:29:31.439
I cannot go with it.

1652
01:29:31.500 --> 01:29:34.500
Yeah, see, like, I like that.

1653
01:29:34.560 --> 01:29:43.020
And then then McCoy also realises like he's had happened to him exactly what happened to Ahura, but he doesn't go with Cybok either.

1654
01:29:43.079 --> 01:29:45.180
Because he's got something better.

1655
01:29:45.779 --> 01:29:48.779
Plus, they're the big 3 so they can resist.

1656
01:29:48.840 --> 01:29:50.159
Yeah, yeah, well, that's right.

1657
01:29:50.220 --> 01:29:51.060
They're the main characters.

1658
01:29:51.539 --> 01:29:55.140
You'll never make it through the Great Barrier.

1659
01:29:55.199 --> 01:29:58.439
Well, I hate to tell you, but it's going to be pretty easy.

1660
01:29:58.680 --> 01:30:00.779
Yeah, that's right.

1661
01:30:00.840 --> 01:30:03.239
It's so it's such a nothing.

1662
01:30:03.300 --> 01:30:04.439
They must have just cut stuff out.

1663
01:30:04.500 --> 01:30:05.819
Yeah, I think they must have.

1664
01:30:06.119 --> 01:30:09.180
I think it was a really shitty special show.

1665
01:30:09.720 --> 01:30:12.239
No, no, no, it was butchered in the editing room.

1666
01:30:12.300 --> 01:30:15.000
He does have the look of a villain's sidebalk, doesn't he?

1667
01:30:15.060 --> 01:30:16.140
You've got a great look.

1668
01:30:16.199 --> 01:30:17.340
He does.

1669
01:30:17.460 --> 01:30:21.479
I think the original runtime was much longer and they needed to cut it to this one hour 45.

1670
01:30:21.659 --> 01:30:22.500
Okay.

1671
01:30:22.560 --> 01:30:22.979
Yeah.

1672
01:30:23.039 --> 01:30:23.699
Yeah.

1673
01:30:23.760 --> 01:30:25.260
I mean that's long enough.

1674
01:30:25.319 --> 01:30:26.880
Yeah, oh yeah.

1675
01:30:26.939 --> 01:30:27.600
Oh, wait.

1676
01:30:27.720 --> 01:30:29.460
Yeah, look at that.

1677
01:30:29.520 --> 01:30:34.739
Look how terrible that is. really looks like the animated series, doesn't it?

1678
01:30:34.800 --> 01:30:35.819
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1679
01:30:35.819 --> 01:30:41.399
Oh, no.

1680
01:30:42.060 --> 01:30:43.920
Oh my god.

1681
01:30:43.979 --> 01:30:47.159
The edge of the Great Barrier, the centre of the universe.

1682
01:30:47.220 --> 01:30:49.560
No ship can survive this.

1683
01:30:54.119 --> 01:30:59.279
Maybe they're going to spend all the money on how they realise God at the end of the movie.

1684
01:30:59.340 --> 01:31:00.840
Oh wait.

1685
01:31:01.199 --> 01:31:04.859
Now that looks like the opening of the never ending story.

1686
01:31:04.979 --> 01:31:12.600
It looks like, you know, you put the oil on the on ink and oil, a new marble paper in primary school.

1687
01:31:12.659 --> 01:31:15.119
I'd rather imagine that's what it is, actually.

1688
01:31:15.239 --> 01:31:16.619
Yeah, he probably is.

1689
01:31:16.739 --> 01:31:18.239
Doctor Who and the Daleks.

1690
01:31:18.300 --> 01:31:19.079
Yes, yeah.

1691
01:31:19.079 --> 01:31:20.039
The movie.

1692
01:31:20.100 --> 01:31:20.880
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1693
01:31:20.939 --> 01:31:23.579
Where they just pour paint into a mixer or something.

1694
01:31:23.640 --> 01:31:24.779
Oh wait, wait, we're getting there.

1695
01:31:24.840 --> 01:31:28.319
What do you imagine the special effects people did with the rest of the money?

1696
01:31:28.439 --> 01:31:30.659
I don't know, drank it.

1697
01:31:30.720 --> 01:31:32.699
So snorted it.

1698
01:31:32.760 --> 01:31:33.600
It was the 80s.

1699
01:31:33.659 --> 01:31:34.979
They stuck it up their nose.

1700
01:31:35.520 --> 01:31:38.340
This is very never ending story.

1701
01:31:38.399 --> 01:31:39.180
Look at this.

1702
01:31:39.239 --> 01:31:39.659
Yeah, yeah.

1703
01:31:39.659 --> 01:31:43.739
Okay, so we're now through The Great Barrier.

1704
01:31:43.800 --> 01:31:44.760
So that was nothing.

1705
01:31:44.819 --> 01:31:48.359
That was like 20 seconds, 30 seconds, and that's it.

1706
01:31:48.420 --> 01:31:51.300
Shit, there's been no second.

1707
01:31:51.420 --> 01:31:54.420
No one no, threw themselves across the set or anything.

1708
01:31:54.539 --> 01:31:58.380
See, I think that needed to be a tough thing to do.

1709
01:31:58.439 --> 01:31:59.699
Yes, that's the other thing.

1710
01:31:59.760 --> 01:32:00.779
There's no obstacles.

1711
01:32:00.840 --> 01:32:01.859
Jeopardy.

1712
01:32:01.920 --> 01:32:03.600
Yeah, yeah, yeah. no obstacles.

1713
01:32:03.659 --> 01:32:05.939
It's so linear. like literally nothing happens.

1714
01:32:06.000 --> 01:32:07.500
He takes over the thing.

1715
01:32:07.560 --> 01:32:08.640
The enterprise comes.

1716
01:32:08.699 --> 01:32:10.020
He takes over the enterprise.

1717
01:32:10.079 --> 01:32:14.159
He goes to Shakaree, he meets God, and then it all goes.

1718
01:32:14.220 --> 01:32:15.180
We went through this barrier.

1719
01:32:15.239 --> 01:32:22.140
Why couldn't it be like generations and they go through to, where do they go to there with Olivia Hack?

1720
01:32:22.260 --> 01:32:23.939
They go to...

1721
01:32:23.939 --> 01:32:24.720
The Nexus?

1722
01:32:25.439 --> 01:32:30.479
That's pretty lousy as well. at least there's some damage.

1723
01:32:30.539 --> 01:32:43.800
But I was actually thinking that maybe those, um, those weird sequences, those were doing the same job, that terrible nexus, that terrible nexus vision so bad.

1724
01:32:44.699 --> 01:32:50.279
Trouble is, they're all there going, my God, it's incredible, amazing, sort of looking out the screen.

1725
01:32:50.340 --> 01:32:52.800
But if the special effects don't actually reflect that.

1726
01:32:52.859 --> 01:32:54.960
No.

1727
01:32:54.960 --> 01:32:55.859
Well, you can't even see it.

1728
01:32:55.920 --> 01:32:56.520
Do you know what I mean?

1729
01:32:56.579 --> 01:33:01.260
They're all talking about it, but the camera's in front of it, like between us and the viewscreen or whatever.

1730
01:33:01.319 --> 01:33:04.439
They're all seeing something slightly different. like Eden, whatever.

1731
01:33:04.500 --> 01:33:05.460
Okay.

1732
01:33:05.699 --> 01:33:08.340
How many reaction shots can you get?

1733
01:33:08.399 --> 01:33:10.680
We've only got 15 seconds of special effects.

1734
01:33:10.800 --> 01:33:12.960
David Warner looks like a vicar.

1735
01:33:13.020 --> 01:33:13.920
Look at that outfit.

1736
01:33:14.399 --> 01:33:18.300
And that Romulan woman looks like she's going to some party, like Oscar's party.

1737
01:33:18.359 --> 01:33:19.739
Yeah, she does, does she?

1738
01:33:19.800 --> 01:33:21.000
But not for this movie.

1739
01:33:21.060 --> 01:33:23.039
Well, she's a model as well.

1740
01:33:23.100 --> 01:33:24.180
The actress.

1741
01:33:24.239 --> 01:33:25.560
She's an actress and a model.

1742
01:33:25.619 --> 01:33:26.460
She's got multiple talent.

1743
01:33:26.520 --> 01:33:27.420
She does, Nathan.

1744
01:33:27.479 --> 01:33:34.199
Well, she hasn't shown much. sort of bizarre commentary on this is how easy it is to find gold.

1745
01:33:34.319 --> 01:33:36.659
Yeah, no, they do say that.

1746
01:33:36.720 --> 01:33:40.319
They do say... why is it so easy?

1747
01:33:40.380 --> 01:33:42.659
They're the 1st people to ever try, apparently.

1748
01:33:42.779 --> 01:33:47.460
Because the galactic, the, damn it, the great barrier is so scary.

1749
01:33:52.680 --> 01:33:56.159
Oh, and now God's a busy man.

1750
01:33:56.220 --> 01:33:57.180
Let's go.

1751
01:33:57.239 --> 01:33:59.039
That's a good Lord.

1752
01:33:59.100 --> 01:34:00.119
Yeah.

1753
01:34:00.180 --> 01:34:04.859
I actually think too, that what does God want with a starship?

1754
01:34:04.859 --> 01:34:07.319
And everyone thinks that's a really cheesy hokey line.

1755
01:34:07.380 --> 01:34:12.000
It's the moment where he realised that this can't be God.

1756
01:34:12.060 --> 01:34:15.840
If it's God, why does he want my starship?

1757
01:34:15.899 --> 01:34:16.619
Do you know what?

1758
01:34:16.680 --> 01:34:20.760
It reminds me in the back of my memory of a Space 199 episode.

1759
01:34:20.819 --> 01:34:22.979
Isn't there a fake god on a planet in that?

1760
01:34:23.039 --> 01:34:25.260
Oh, that's a bunch of them.

1761
01:34:25.319 --> 01:34:27.720
That's nearly every episode in series one.

1762
01:34:27.779 --> 01:34:30.119
But I'm just saying it's 1976, is it?

1763
01:34:30.539 --> 01:34:31.800
Are we doing this again?

1764
01:34:31.859 --> 01:34:35.399
We've just had a load of reaction shots of them going through the Great Barrier.

1765
01:34:35.460 --> 01:34:40.079
Now we've got a load of reaction shots with them going onto the planet. this pink planet.

1766
01:34:40.140 --> 01:34:42.720
They just don't want to move this thing on, did I?

1767
01:34:42.779 --> 01:34:44.460
No, no.

1768
01:34:44.520 --> 01:34:45.539
We're looking.

1769
01:34:45.539 --> 01:34:46.500
Uh-oh.

1770
01:34:46.560 --> 01:34:48.180
No, I don't know control.

1771
01:34:48.659 --> 01:34:49.560
Oh, they're God.

1772
01:34:49.680 --> 01:34:52.739
He's taking control of Jesus, take the wheel.

1773
01:34:52.859 --> 01:34:53.220
Yeah.

1774
01:34:53.520 --> 01:34:55.739
But do we have a phone?

1775
01:34:55.800 --> 01:34:56.640
I can't remember.

1776
01:34:56.699 --> 01:34:58.140
Even though I watched this last week.

1777
01:34:58.199 --> 01:35:00.060
Did we actually find out what the god entity was?

1778
01:35:00.119 --> 01:35:03.060
Well, I think...

1779
01:35:03.060 --> 01:35:03.659
No.

1780
01:35:03.720 --> 01:35:06.539
It's been Spanish, but it's always been trapped there by something.

1781
01:35:06.539 --> 01:35:08.100
Yeah, yeah. because it can't get out.

1782
01:35:08.159 --> 01:35:09.060
No that's right.

1783
01:35:09.119 --> 01:35:09.960
Thus, it must be evil.

1784
01:35:10.079 --> 01:35:11.699
It's open to interpretation.

1785
01:35:11.760 --> 01:35:12.600
Look at this.

1786
01:35:12.659 --> 01:35:14.220
That looks terrible.

1787
01:35:14.279 --> 01:35:16.079
That's...

1788
01:35:16.079 --> 01:35:17.579
It's like V the mini system.

1789
01:35:17.640 --> 01:35:18.479
Purple.

1790
01:35:18.539 --> 01:35:21.180
Don't you insult feed a miniseries?

1791
01:35:21.779 --> 01:35:23.100
Oh, no, no, no.

1792
01:35:23.100 --> 01:35:25.140
I absolutely love V.

1793
01:35:25.199 --> 01:35:30.119
Everything to do with it, but sometimes the shuttles landing to look a bit hokey.

1794
01:35:30.239 --> 01:35:33.600
But look how warm this thing is.

1795
01:35:33.659 --> 01:35:38.640
Like, that is Shatner who hasn't had his brain melted by Cybogg.

1796
01:35:38.699 --> 01:35:39.539
Nice shot.

1797
01:35:39.600 --> 01:35:43.319
Hasn't had his brain mounted by Cybok agreeing to not take weapons with him.

1798
01:35:43.439 --> 01:35:45.239
Now we're on the Copernicus, is it?

1799
01:35:45.300 --> 01:35:45.840
Yep, yep.

1800
01:35:45.899 --> 01:35:49.979
Because we could be, he could have shot God. imagine that.

1801
01:35:50.039 --> 01:35:51.600
Cybox has had a haircut.

1802
01:35:51.720 --> 01:35:54.119
That...

1803
01:35:54.119 --> 01:35:55.380
Mr. Mott.

1804
01:35:55.439 --> 01:35:58.140
He was working on this...

1805
01:35:58.140 --> 01:35:59.699
On the way to...

1806
01:35:59.760 --> 01:36:02.399
His hair was enormous before.

1807
01:36:02.699 --> 01:36:04.439
God sakes.

1808
01:36:04.439 --> 01:36:05.640
No, Johan.

1809
01:36:05.699 --> 01:36:07.319
Chahan gave him a haircut.

1810
01:36:07.439 --> 01:36:08.880
Maybe this was one of the re shoes.

1811
01:36:08.939 --> 01:36:12.300
Yeah. does actually make him look a bit younger, doesn't it?

1812
01:36:12.359 --> 01:36:13.380
It does.

1813
01:36:13.439 --> 01:36:14.399
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1814
01:36:14.460 --> 01:36:15.779
Bills not happy about that.

1815
01:36:15.840 --> 01:36:16.979
No.

1816
01:36:16.979 --> 01:36:21.239
Somebody, and we're just looking at some rocks.

1817
01:36:21.300 --> 01:36:22.500
Oh, look rock.

1818
01:36:22.500 --> 01:36:24.000
And these guys are looking at things too.

1819
01:36:24.060 --> 01:36:29.460
But they all, and then we've placed our what, our, our ham quarter?

1820
01:36:29.460 --> 01:36:31.800
What's taking that shot?

1821
01:36:31.859 --> 01:36:32.399
Exactly.

1822
01:36:33.539 --> 01:36:36.000
Is this where we show arena?

1823
01:36:36.060 --> 01:36:36.659
Is this there?

1824
01:36:36.720 --> 01:36:37.739
No.

1825
01:36:38.039 --> 01:36:43.800
I think this is just where they were for Paradise Village or whatever it was called.

1826
01:36:43.859 --> 01:36:44.520
What was it called?

1827
01:36:44.579 --> 01:36:47.220
Paradise City. the same desert, doesn't it?

1828
01:36:47.279 --> 01:36:47.880
It does.

1829
01:36:47.939 --> 01:36:52.380
Oh, God, we're going into it and it's not going to be stock cave set, is it?

1830
01:36:52.380 --> 01:36:53.220
in Paramount.

1831
01:36:53.399 --> 01:36:54.779
Yes.

1832
01:36:54.840 --> 01:36:56.100
We will go.

1833
01:36:56.159 --> 01:36:57.779
We will go to a paint.

1834
01:36:57.840 --> 01:36:58.500
Well that's true.

1835
01:36:58.560 --> 01:36:59.159
Yeah.

1836
01:36:59.220 --> 01:37:01.560
Hopefully with some movie licing, though.

1837
01:37:05.039 --> 01:37:10.680
We're picking our way very, very slowly around this mountain, for God's sake.

1838
01:37:10.739 --> 01:37:14.939
Joe, it felt less slow when I was watching it by myself.

1839
01:37:15.000 --> 01:37:16.979
I don't know why it feels so slow.

1840
01:37:17.039 --> 01:37:18.840
You weren't having to think of things to say.

1841
01:37:19.020 --> 01:37:22.140
It's like, oh, my God, my phone a bit as well.

1842
01:37:22.199 --> 01:37:24.539
All these people are still standing here.

1843
01:37:25.020 --> 01:37:25.859
Where are the crisps?

1844
01:37:25.979 --> 01:37:26.939
There's Melanie.

1845
01:37:27.000 --> 01:37:27.960
There's Melanie.

1846
01:37:28.020 --> 01:37:29.039
Still looking at the thing.

1847
01:37:29.100 --> 01:37:30.960
John, dad, to come back.

1848
01:37:31.020 --> 01:37:31.739
There's Johan.

1849
01:37:31.800 --> 01:37:33.840
Jehan and Melanie are dating.

1850
01:37:33.899 --> 01:37:36.239
Days of reaction shots.

1851
01:37:36.300 --> 01:37:36.779
Did they shoot?

1852
01:37:36.899 --> 01:37:39.000
The William Hartnell title.

1853
01:37:39.060 --> 01:37:42.840
Now we're going very slowly to wolf this screen for some reason.

1854
01:37:42.899 --> 01:37:43.920
But wait for it.

1855
01:37:43.979 --> 01:37:45.119
Oh, my God.

1856
01:37:45.180 --> 01:37:46.380
Klingons are coming on there.

1857
01:37:46.439 --> 01:37:48.600
Stunning animation.

1858
01:37:48.659 --> 01:37:49.859
Nobody's looking at that.

1859
01:37:49.920 --> 01:37:52.619
No, no one ship inside a box.

1860
01:37:52.739 --> 01:37:54.720
We're so mesmerised.

1861
01:37:54.899 --> 01:37:58.500
Oh, okay, we're going downhill, so we just tilted the camera.

1862
01:37:58.560 --> 01:38:00.479
Yes, I think you might be right.

1863
01:38:00.539 --> 01:38:01.560
I think you might be right.

1864
01:38:01.619 --> 01:38:03.960
And we've got a pink filter.

1865
01:38:04.020 --> 01:38:04.800
Everything's pink.

1866
01:38:04.859 --> 01:38:06.060
Which is fine.

1867
01:38:06.119 --> 01:38:07.680
It's something, isn't it?

1868
01:38:07.739 --> 01:38:09.420
It's space thing.

1869
01:38:09.479 --> 01:38:11.220
It's a joke now.

1870
01:38:11.220 --> 01:38:11.760
Where we going?

1871
01:38:11.819 --> 01:38:13.199
Where the hell is gold?

1872
01:38:13.260 --> 01:38:13.920
Is he here?

1873
01:38:13.979 --> 01:38:14.699
Yeah.

1874
01:38:14.760 --> 01:38:16.020
I thought God was everywhere.

1875
01:38:19.079 --> 01:38:20.819
Now, God's about to appear.

1876
01:38:20.880 --> 01:38:22.260
God is about to appear.

1877
01:38:22.319 --> 01:38:27.899
But apparently, wasn't he supposed to originally have been the Klingon chancellor and then they bumped him up to God?

1878
01:38:27.960 --> 01:38:28.800
Yes.

1879
01:38:28.859 --> 01:38:36.180
So the guy who plays God is George Murdoch, who played Admiral Hanson in Best of Both Worlds.

1880
01:38:37.560 --> 01:38:43.199
And you can see that now that I've told you that, you will be able to see that. in a much more rewarding role.

1881
01:38:43.260 --> 01:38:48.000
Remember, he was talking to Picard about Shelby and then he was in the Battle of Police.

1882
01:38:48.060 --> 01:38:51.060
Is he the one that he's on the ship that Writer was supposed to be the captain of?

1883
01:38:51.119 --> 01:38:53.880
No, no, no, the Melbourne.

1884
01:38:53.939 --> 01:39:00.300
No, he, um, but he does, he does FaceTime them from the Battle of Will 359 and gets killed.

1885
01:39:00.359 --> 01:39:02.760
I do love those little communication.

1886
01:39:02.819 --> 01:39:04.079
Yeah, they're awesome, aren't they?

1887
01:39:05.100 --> 01:39:12.720
Do you remember that Anson Mount Christopher Pike talks about the flip thing?

1888
01:39:12.779 --> 01:39:15.779
Like when they see that, yeah, the flip thing.

1889
01:39:15.840 --> 01:39:16.439
That's the best thing.

1890
01:39:16.500 --> 01:39:17.279
That's the best beer.

1891
01:39:17.340 --> 01:39:20.039
When Boimless doesn't flip.

1892
01:39:20.939 --> 01:39:22.739
Oh, here we go.

1893
01:39:22.800 --> 01:39:24.779
It's all about to happen.

1894
01:39:24.899 --> 01:39:28.319
Okay, so we are going to move into the set for this part.

1895
01:39:28.380 --> 01:39:30.479
Bloody cave already.

1896
01:39:30.539 --> 01:39:31.439
Yeah, yeah.

1897
01:39:31.500 --> 01:39:42.239
So it's going to be dark so that we can go away from this expensive location into the Paramount studios and here we go.

1898
01:39:42.300 --> 01:39:46.619
Oh, what the hell was going on here with these great things coming out of the floor?

1899
01:39:46.680 --> 01:39:48.960
I know, thrusting out of the floor.

1900
01:39:49.020 --> 01:39:52.380
So, the Jodie Witterkatardist.

1901
01:39:52.439 --> 01:39:53.699
Sorry there we go.

1902
01:39:53.760 --> 01:39:56.220
No, wow, no. not too dissimilar.

1903
01:39:56.279 --> 01:39:56.880
Oh, dear.

1904
01:39:56.880 --> 01:39:59.520
Oh, that's all wobbling a bit, aren't they, as they come out?

1905
01:39:59.579 --> 01:40:11.340
So it is, it does end up looking like a ribcage, and it looks like they're sort of trapped in this cage, and then later on apparently they were all going to turn into rock monsters and attack people.

1906
01:40:11.399 --> 01:40:13.680
Have you seen the roster?

1907
01:40:13.739 --> 01:40:19.380
No, no, no, it was supposed to be an army, but they only built one and then decided, no, this isn't working.

1908
01:40:19.439 --> 01:40:21.180
Let's not do it.

1909
01:40:21.239 --> 01:40:22.920
So these hands.

1910
01:40:22.979 --> 01:40:23.880
Do you know what I mean?

1911
01:40:23.939 --> 01:40:25.439
And that that's weird.

1912
01:40:25.500 --> 01:40:28.260
Like, that's the sort of thing that you want, I think, in Star Trek.

1913
01:40:28.319 --> 01:40:31.140
If you're going to meet God, it's going to be weird and strange.

1914
01:40:31.199 --> 01:40:40.859
You know, if they all turn into rock monsters and we're after him, that would actually add to the actual...

1915
01:40:40.920 --> 01:40:41.220
Yeah.

1916
01:40:41.220 --> 01:40:41.640
Yeah.

1917
01:40:41.699 --> 01:40:45.720
And have a few more of them down there that actually have to escape them and deal with them.

1918
01:40:45.779 --> 01:40:53.640
But again, what has to happen is that the gym has to be left alone because we had that earlier line about how I'm going to die alone.

1919
01:40:53.699 --> 01:41:02.340
And of course, what happens is his friends who love him, uh, you know, making sure that he gets rescued, which is what always happens.

1920
01:41:02.399 --> 01:41:08.520
We're not supposed to believe Nathan, he was going to die at the hands of some ghastly Jabelite rock monster, are we?

1921
01:41:08.579 --> 01:41:09.840
Well, no.

1922
01:41:09.899 --> 01:41:14.279
But don't we have god firing beams at him or something like later appearing?

1923
01:41:14.340 --> 01:41:15.720
Look, it's all part of the story.

1924
01:41:15.779 --> 01:41:17.699
Thanks, William.

1925
01:41:17.760 --> 01:41:22.619
I mean, I will say, for 15 minutes of just watching people react to nothing.

1926
01:41:22.680 --> 01:41:24.119
Those things coming out of the ground.

1927
01:41:24.180 --> 01:41:26.460
Word genuinely dynamic.

1928
01:41:26.520 --> 01:41:27.479
No, he's God.

1929
01:41:27.539 --> 01:41:28.680
He's George Murdoch.

1930
01:41:29.039 --> 01:41:30.779
See, that looks great.

1931
01:41:30.840 --> 01:41:32.399
And there's a beam.

1932
01:41:32.460 --> 01:41:35.399
Everything. looks expensive.

1933
01:41:35.699 --> 01:41:37.619
I wouldn't go that far.

1934
01:41:37.680 --> 01:41:39.659
No, it doesn't look expensive.

1935
01:41:39.720 --> 01:41:40.560
It looks incredibly cheap.

1936
01:41:43.439 --> 01:41:45.539
More reactions.

1937
01:41:45.600 --> 01:41:46.739
War reaction.

1938
01:41:46.859 --> 01:41:48.119
Jesus Christ.

1939
01:41:48.180 --> 01:41:51.060
We're just changing the light every time.

1940
01:41:51.060 --> 01:41:52.020
You need to react.

1941
01:41:52.079 --> 01:41:54.180
It's a great special effect, react.

1942
01:41:54.180 --> 01:41:57.600
My God. one voice Many faces.

1943
01:41:57.659 --> 01:41:59.340
Shazam.

1944
01:41:59.399 --> 01:42:02.039
What the heck?

1945
01:42:02.460 --> 01:42:04.140
Klingon.

1946
01:42:04.199 --> 01:42:10.500
It's gods of all kinds, and now there's George Murdoch, who is our sort of god with a big beard and stuff.

1947
01:42:10.979 --> 01:42:11.760
Well, I'm disappointed.

1948
01:42:11.819 --> 01:42:14.880
I don't know about you boys, but I'm a bit disappointed if that's good.

1949
01:42:14.939 --> 01:42:16.260
If that's gone?

1950
01:42:16.439 --> 01:42:18.300
Yeah, yeah.

1951
01:42:18.779 --> 01:42:20.819
You know what, come out.

1952
01:42:20.880 --> 01:42:23.159
If it's Doctor Who to be wrestle on.

1953
01:42:24.119 --> 01:42:26.460
Imagine if he popped out now.

1954
01:42:26.520 --> 01:42:28.979
This is the goo of Rosalond.

1955
01:42:29.579 --> 01:42:31.260
More exciting.

1956
01:42:31.319 --> 01:42:33.060
It might liven it up, yeah.

1957
01:42:33.119 --> 01:42:37.500
Yeah, this, the journey you undertook to reach me could not have been an easy one.

1958
01:42:37.560 --> 01:42:39.840
It was very... fucking easy.

1959
01:42:42.119 --> 01:42:45.239
We just stood around for 15 minutes.

1960
01:42:45.300 --> 01:42:46.140
You just fine me.

1961
01:42:46.199 --> 01:42:47.159
The first.

1962
01:42:47.220 --> 01:42:47.640
Yeah.

1963
01:42:48.000 --> 01:42:53.880
And so clearly the barrier is there to keep him in, right?

1964
01:42:53.939 --> 01:43:02.579
Because he's some evil entity that's been deliberately imprisoned here in the centre of the galaxy, and the barrier has been put around to keep him in.

1965
01:43:02.640 --> 01:43:03.899
He's...

1966
01:43:03.899 --> 01:43:06.960
Like the lion from...

1967
01:43:06.960 --> 01:43:07.859
The wizardly lion.

1968
01:43:07.920 --> 01:43:10.439
He said, how did you breach the barrier?

1969
01:43:10.500 --> 01:43:11.520
Well, we just came through it.

1970
01:43:12.239 --> 01:43:14.579
Very slowly.

1971
01:43:15.060 --> 01:43:18.060
But this, I would like to ask a question.

1972
01:43:18.119 --> 01:43:19.500
Why do you want to shut?

1973
01:43:19.560 --> 01:43:21.840
Yeah, why is God need a starship?

1974
01:43:21.899 --> 01:43:23.159
I like that.

1975
01:43:23.159 --> 01:43:24.720
God, need with a starship.

1976
01:43:24.779 --> 01:43:26.159
Yeah perfect.

1977
01:43:26.220 --> 01:43:28.199
But he's repeating it.

1978
01:43:28.260 --> 01:43:31.140
And this is the moment where he realises it's obviously not God.

1979
01:43:31.920 --> 01:43:33.840
I'm asking a question.

1980
01:43:33.899 --> 01:43:34.319
Yeah.

1981
01:43:34.380 --> 01:43:36.359
I mean, even why did you write this script?

1982
01:43:36.420 --> 01:43:39.060
Even D thinks it's God at this point, doesn't he?

1983
01:43:39.119 --> 01:43:42.659
Because you say you don't ask the Almighty for his ID, you know?

1984
01:43:42.960 --> 01:43:44.939
But I think you should.

1985
01:43:45.000 --> 01:43:46.140
I do.

1986
01:43:46.199 --> 01:43:47.220
It's very important.

1987
01:43:48.659 --> 01:43:50.640
I seek proof.

1988
01:43:50.880 --> 01:43:54.239
You don't ask the Almighty for his ID.

1989
01:43:54.300 --> 01:43:55.979
It's such a good point.

1990
01:43:55.979 --> 01:43:57.000
Here's the proof.

1991
01:43:57.060 --> 01:43:59.460
And then that's beams out of his eyes.

1992
01:43:59.520 --> 01:44:01.439
Oh, and everybody can see it still.

1993
01:44:01.500 --> 01:44:02.640
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1994
01:44:02.640 --> 01:44:04.140
That camera's doing a great job.

1995
01:44:04.199 --> 01:44:05.279
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1996
01:44:05.340 --> 01:44:07.199
It's a drone Oh, okay.

1997
01:44:07.260 --> 01:44:07.560
Yeah.

1998
01:44:07.619 --> 01:44:08.039
Yeah, yeah.

1999
01:44:08.100 --> 01:44:08.640
Yeah.

2000
01:44:08.699 --> 01:44:11.220
Why is Gart angry?

2001
01:44:11.279 --> 01:44:13.920
Well, God's always kind of angry though, isn't he?

2002
01:44:13.979 --> 01:44:15.060
I mean, that's kind of the thing.

2003
01:44:15.119 --> 01:44:17.760
But again, is this critiquing religion?

2004
01:44:17.819 --> 01:44:27.239
I mean, you have a God who is depicted as smiting people and punishing people and, you know, God, but he's...

2005
01:44:27.300 --> 01:44:28.439
Is it?

2006
01:44:28.500 --> 01:44:30.000
No, it's clearly not God.

2007
01:44:30.060 --> 01:44:32.819
But that was what we were looking for.

2008
01:44:32.880 --> 01:44:35.880
And then we find this, and we discover that this isn't God.

2009
01:44:35.939 --> 01:44:38.100
It looks like God, but it's not God.

2010
01:44:38.159 --> 01:44:40.619
And D now realises it too, you know.

2011
01:44:40.680 --> 01:44:43.920
I doubt any god who inflicts pain for his own pleasure.

2012
01:44:43.979 --> 01:44:47.939
I mean, I don't, but you do you, McCoy.

2013
01:44:48.000 --> 01:44:50.340
But Cybok doesn't either.

2014
01:44:50.399 --> 01:44:52.859
Now, Cybok knows that it's not God.

2015
01:44:52.920 --> 01:44:54.420
And I love.

2016
01:44:54.659 --> 01:45:09.600
I absolutely love the resolution where Cybot goes in there and asks God, like what his pain is, because God is wanting to harm people. against God there. is such a bad effect.

2017
01:45:11.460 --> 01:45:15.960
That is the Ferengi on the screen in the last Alpha is bad.

2018
01:45:16.020 --> 01:45:16.439
That is.

2019
01:45:21.659 --> 01:45:26.159
But I mean, you know, the shot of the god's eye view shot of Cybok is pretty great, I think.

2020
01:45:26.220 --> 01:45:30.000
And then when Cybog becomes God here, I think that's pretty awesome too.

2021
01:45:30.060 --> 01:45:32.819
And so he goes in and his face is himself.

2022
01:45:32.880 --> 01:45:35.340
It looks unusual.

2023
01:45:35.460 --> 01:45:36.659
Yeah.

2024
01:45:36.720 --> 01:45:37.739
Yeah, and you want that.

2025
01:45:37.800 --> 01:45:39.420
I think you want that in Star Trek.

2026
01:45:39.479 --> 01:45:45.300
And again, his performance as God is so different. to his performance as Cyborg.

2027
01:45:45.359 --> 01:45:46.739
Oh yeah, he's a good actor.

2028
01:45:46.800 --> 01:45:47.220
Yeah.

2029
01:45:47.279 --> 01:45:51.060
Yeah, now he looks demonic, but yeah, doesn't he?

2030
01:45:52.619 --> 01:45:55.260
Again, though, is this big enough?

2031
01:45:55.319 --> 01:45:56.399
I mean, I know we're meeting God.

2032
01:45:56.460 --> 01:45:57.779
That's a big ending.

2033
01:45:58.319 --> 01:46:00.239
It still doesn't.

2034
01:46:00.300 --> 01:46:03.960
I mean, this could be a TNG episode. as presented.

2035
01:46:04.020 --> 01:46:09.119
I think it would be a fairly uneventful TNG episode actually as well.

2036
01:46:09.180 --> 01:46:19.199
Like, I don't think there's quite enough here to sustain because if you've got another 25 episodes to go, you can do more character staff.

2037
01:46:19.260 --> 01:46:21.359
Is that your one line return to action?

2038
01:46:21.420 --> 01:46:24.060
Like an uneventful team.

2039
01:46:24.060 --> 01:46:38.640
You wanting a whole season where they, they're trying, they're looking for God and the ship's captured and then, no, I think this could get this out of the way in 40 minutes and then do a funny tag at the end and, yeah, you know, say shut up data and then get on to another adventure.

2040
01:46:39.600 --> 01:46:45.899
But that, I love this, where he goes to hold God and asks God to share his pain.

2041
01:46:45.960 --> 01:46:48.000
Why is God torturing people?

2042
01:46:48.060 --> 01:46:49.739
Why does God want to harm everyone?

2043
01:46:49.800 --> 01:46:57.060
You know, it's because he, like everyone, has a secret pain and Cybok wants to, that's what how Cybok saves us from him.

2044
01:46:57.119 --> 01:46:57.840
I think it's really good.

2045
01:46:57.899 --> 01:47:00.119
Yeah, no, I do think that's good.

2046
01:47:00.239 --> 01:47:03.060
Rottenberry was pissed, wasn't he?

2047
01:47:03.119 --> 01:47:16.739
Because this basically was a story he wanted to tell. 10 years before this, and by all accounts, Shatner was with him when he recounted the plot that he wanted to tell.

2048
01:47:16.739 --> 01:47:20.939
And Shatner even admitted, like, yeah, maybe some of it seeped down into one.

2049
01:47:21.060 --> 01:47:21.960
I can't share that.

2050
01:47:22.020 --> 01:47:24.000
Oh of course.

2051
01:47:24.359 --> 01:47:29.159
Oh, did you watch those polystyrene boulders fall then?

2052
01:47:29.220 --> 01:47:32.340
Well, I think we're gonna, there's a rock monster's going to appear.

2053
01:47:32.460 --> 01:47:34.560
This is where the rock monster would have...

2054
01:47:34.619 --> 01:47:35.579
I didn't see it.

2055
01:47:35.819 --> 01:47:37.619
No, no, no, but we just...

2056
01:47:37.680 --> 01:47:43.439
We're just going with the smoke and that, like, you know, there's something coming from the... underneath.

2057
01:47:43.500 --> 01:47:44.579
Meanwhile.

2058
01:47:44.579 --> 01:47:51.840
And so there was going to be a longer sequence because obviously we separate them because the transporter isn't working.

2059
01:47:52.140 --> 01:47:56.159
And Jim has them beam up and now he's on his own.

2060
01:47:56.220 --> 01:48:02.100
And because we've already said at the beginning of the episode, he's going to die on his own, do you know what I mean?

2061
01:48:02.159 --> 01:48:13.500
Like that's what we're meant to think of except that we've all been driven insensible by, you know, 45 minutes of intervening reaction shots and so we've probably forgotten.

2062
01:48:13.560 --> 01:48:28.319
But there was going to be a longer sequence where God was pursuing Kirk on the surface of the planet, but the special effects were so lamentably bad that they just had to cut it all.

2063
01:48:28.380 --> 01:48:32.039
I mean, I think a bit of action with rock monsters might help.

2064
01:48:32.100 --> 01:48:33.359
The climax of this.

2065
01:48:33.420 --> 01:48:35.039
Yeah, did you see the photo?

2066
01:48:36.119 --> 01:48:37.020
No, no, no, they're terrible.

2067
01:48:37.079 --> 01:48:37.739
If they could have done it.

2068
01:48:37.800 --> 01:48:40.619
I mean, it might have given it a bit of punch at the end.

2069
01:48:40.739 --> 01:48:41.939
Yeah.

2070
01:48:41.939 --> 01:48:43.560
Partial power.

2071
01:48:43.619 --> 01:48:45.659
Yep. can only take 2 of you.

2072
01:48:45.899 --> 01:48:51.000
That, even that McCoy's saying now just a damn minute was so perfect.

2073
01:48:51.060 --> 01:48:52.920
Like, so great.

2074
01:48:53.939 --> 01:48:59.039
Meanwhile, we can't be back because the Klingons have arrived.

2075
01:48:59.100 --> 01:49:04.560
And you notice how all those elements from the Enterprise D's transporter room are there?

2076
01:49:04.619 --> 01:49:06.840
Yeah, definitely is D, isn't it?

2077
01:49:06.899 --> 01:49:07.619
Yeah.

2078
01:49:07.680 --> 01:49:09.960
We're slightly better lighting.

2079
01:49:10.079 --> 01:49:13.079
We're slightly with movie lighting, right?

2080
01:49:13.500 --> 01:49:14.939
Yeah.

2081
01:49:15.119 --> 01:49:17.760
Are they doing the Klingon music over there?

2082
01:49:20.699 --> 01:49:22.619
I can't remember.

2083
01:49:22.680 --> 01:49:23.460
I can't remember.

2084
01:49:24.000 --> 01:49:28.260
Just the climax of this plot where he makes his son apologise.

2085
01:49:28.319 --> 01:49:29.340
It's just heaven.

2086
01:49:29.399 --> 01:49:31.079
It's not his son though, is it?

2087
01:49:31.140 --> 01:49:31.920
It's his...

2088
01:49:31.920 --> 01:49:32.699
I thought it was his son.

2089
01:49:32.760 --> 01:49:37.140
No, no, it's he calls him you're his superior officer or something.

2090
01:49:37.199 --> 01:49:39.239
I can't I can't remember.

2091
01:49:39.300 --> 01:49:41.460
No, I didn't think he was a son.

2092
01:49:41.520 --> 01:49:42.479
No, I don't think it's his son.

2093
01:49:42.539 --> 01:49:44.159
It's his office.

2094
01:49:44.220 --> 01:49:46.439
He just treats some...

2095
01:49:46.500 --> 01:49:46.979
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

2096
01:49:47.039 --> 01:49:48.000
Well that's it because he's a kid.

2097
01:49:48.119 --> 01:49:49.020
Do you know what I mean?

2098
01:49:49.079 --> 01:49:50.340
Like he's a he's a kid.

2099
01:49:51.600 --> 01:49:55.680
It's just a look on Kirk's face when he says, I apologise.

2100
01:49:56.699 --> 01:49:59.279
Yeah, it's great, isn't it?

2101
01:49:59.340 --> 01:49:59.939
It's really good.

2102
01:50:00.000 --> 01:50:15.659
And in fact, I kind of like this because all of this stuff happens, like, like, Spock goes over and speaks to Cord or Kempeck or whatever his name is Cord, Cord, the drunk Klingon.

2103
01:50:15.779 --> 01:50:18.300
Card cord, what the hell?

2104
01:50:18.659 --> 01:50:22.439
And then arranges all of this, but we don't get to see it.

2105
01:50:22.500 --> 01:50:23.340
Yeah?

2106
01:50:23.399 --> 01:50:25.439
We get up to this point and then it cuts...

2107
01:50:25.500 --> 01:50:29.220
Yeah, now we cut away. so we don't see what's planned.

2108
01:50:29.279 --> 01:50:30.239
It's terrible.

2109
01:50:30.539 --> 01:50:34.560
That ship looks like it's been slowly.

2110
01:50:34.619 --> 01:50:40.020
So, now it's hell.

2111
01:50:40.079 --> 01:50:43.619
It was a lovely pink planet before, but now it's hell because God's evil.

2112
01:50:43.680 --> 01:50:44.819
So it was Lakersia.

2113
01:50:44.880 --> 01:50:47.279
Are you sure this wasn't where the rock monsters were in it?

2114
01:50:47.340 --> 01:50:49.020
This looks like an ideal, occasionally.

2115
01:50:49.680 --> 01:50:50.640
God pursuing him.

2116
01:50:50.640 --> 01:50:51.420
God.

2117
01:50:51.479 --> 01:50:52.800
Kirk versus God.

2118
01:50:53.880 --> 01:50:56.520
Yeah, God doesn't stand a chance.

2119
01:50:56.640 --> 01:50:59.279
Oh, shit, that's responsible for this movie.

2120
01:50:59.460 --> 01:51:01.319
That looks terrible.

2121
01:51:02.579 --> 01:51:05.220
That doesn't...

2122
01:51:05.220 --> 01:51:06.899
That's a bad shot.

2123
01:51:06.960 --> 01:51:10.260
I mean, it's a good... like it's a...

2124
01:51:10.319 --> 01:51:10.859
There goes God.

2125
01:51:10.920 --> 01:51:11.520
Shoot God.

2126
01:51:11.579 --> 01:51:13.380
Oh, see you later, God.

2127
01:51:13.439 --> 01:51:14.699
It's been fun.

2128
01:51:14.819 --> 01:51:16.260
Well, sort of.

2129
01:51:19.380 --> 01:51:24.180
And now it's training it on Kirk, who is expecting to die.

2130
01:51:25.079 --> 01:51:31.079
And I actually kind of like, too, that they're not too bad where he beams out.

2131
01:51:31.140 --> 01:51:32.640
That's a bit better.

2132
01:51:32.699 --> 01:51:33.840
That is okay.

2133
01:51:33.899 --> 01:51:35.579
Although it's a much cheaper.

2134
01:51:35.640 --> 01:51:38.279
They have a much cheaper teleport on the Kleon ship.

2135
01:51:38.340 --> 01:51:39.840
Do they?

2136
01:51:39.899 --> 01:51:41.399
Well, it's cheaper looking.

2137
01:51:41.460 --> 01:51:46.979
They haven't spent quite so much money on it because they just borrowed the one from the enterprise D, obviously, which gets used every week.

2138
01:51:47.039 --> 01:51:51.779
There really is a staggering lack of action in this movie, isn't there?

2139
01:51:51.840 --> 01:51:53.939
Compared to all the other Star Trek movies.

2140
01:51:54.000 --> 01:51:54.720
It's amazing.

2141
01:51:54.779 --> 01:52:00.659
Like 1st contact we did last time, Nathan, was basically one hour and a half long action set piece.

2142
01:52:00.779 --> 01:52:01.500
Yeah, yeah.

2143
01:52:01.560 --> 01:52:02.279
Yeah.

2144
01:52:02.279 --> 01:52:04.319
Junior officer. something to say.

2145
01:52:04.920 --> 01:52:07.020
I apologise.

2146
01:52:07.079 --> 01:52:08.579
Sorry, dad.

2147
01:52:09.180 --> 01:52:11.460
Yeah, look at her.

2148
01:52:11.460 --> 01:52:24.180
But it does resolve the, you know, the anger about the Klingons, which is still there, remember, at the beginning of the next film, um, because, um, you know, if they're the way that they kill his son.

2149
01:52:24.300 --> 01:52:35.699
But in some way, the Klingons help solve the problem, which is nice, and our new gunner, and of course, our new gunner was Spock, who's here to kill God.

2150
01:52:36.779 --> 01:52:39.119
It would have been Sulu.

2151
01:52:39.899 --> 01:52:42.420
But it has to be Spock.

2152
01:52:42.420 --> 01:52:42.960
Of course it does.

2153
01:52:43.020 --> 01:52:44.460
Because, of course, it has to be Spock.

2154
01:52:44.880 --> 01:52:46.979
I love this so much.

2155
01:52:47.039 --> 01:52:48.359
I wish they'd hugged anyway.

2156
01:52:48.420 --> 01:52:55.020
But the line is so great. not in front of the Klingon.

2157
01:52:55.079 --> 01:52:56.340
That's wonderful.

2158
01:52:56.399 --> 01:52:58.380
Yeah, see, I thought I was going to die.

2159
01:52:58.439 --> 01:52:59.399
That's lovely.

2160
01:52:59.460 --> 01:53:00.000
You were never alone.

2161
01:53:00.060 --> 01:53:00.779
That was lovely.

2162
01:53:00.840 --> 01:53:01.560
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

2163
01:53:01.619 --> 01:53:03.840
And look at them staring into each other's eyes.

2164
01:53:05.640 --> 01:53:08.880
This is the real love story, isn't it?

2165
01:53:09.840 --> 01:53:11.340
the original story.

2166
01:53:11.399 --> 01:53:13.979
You can throw as many women at him as you want.

2167
01:53:14.100 --> 01:53:15.539
No.

2168
01:53:15.600 --> 01:53:16.560
Well that's it.

2169
01:53:16.619 --> 01:53:20.939
There's that thing at the beginning where they say we didn't have family.

2170
01:53:20.939 --> 01:53:22.380
Oh my god, it's so terrible.

2171
01:53:22.439 --> 01:53:23.279
It looks so cheap.

2172
01:53:23.399 --> 01:53:32.399
I don't know why, but the special effects when I watched our says on my big telly didn't look anywhere near as bad as they do when I'm up close to them here on this water.

2173
01:53:32.460 --> 01:53:33.479
We nip.

2174
01:53:33.479 --> 01:53:34.800
That was well timed.

2175
01:53:34.920 --> 01:53:37.079
Wait for it. young guys are coming in.

2176
01:53:37.739 --> 01:53:42.600
Hang on, we're going to get some payoff to...

2177
01:53:42.659 --> 01:53:44.399
Oh, this found love.

2178
01:53:44.460 --> 01:53:46.920
He's found love with that hot Romulan.

2179
01:53:46.979 --> 01:53:47.939
Oh here they go.

2180
01:53:48.000 --> 01:53:48.659
Yeah, yeah.

2181
01:53:48.720 --> 01:53:49.560
Oh, please.

2182
01:53:49.560 --> 01:53:50.399
George.

2183
01:53:50.399 --> 01:53:51.539
George.

2184
01:53:51.600 --> 01:53:54.659
You're not fooling anyone. wonderful muscles.

2185
01:53:54.720 --> 01:53:56.640
Yeah, she's got big arms, doesn't she?

2186
01:53:56.699 --> 01:53:57.359
She's awesome.

2187
01:53:57.420 --> 01:53:57.960
Look at her.

2188
01:53:58.020 --> 01:54:03.000
I bet a trivia just jumped up on my screen there that Kneg only did 8 days of this movie.

2189
01:54:03.119 --> 01:54:05.159
He only shot 8 days of this movie.

2190
01:54:05.220 --> 01:54:08.340
Wow, it was only in about 5 scenes, let's be honest.

2191
01:54:08.460 --> 01:54:09.119
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

2192
01:54:09.180 --> 01:54:13.439
Well, that's more than Gates McFadden does in some opinion. that's true.

2193
01:54:13.500 --> 01:54:15.420
Getting upstaged by the best role.

2194
01:54:15.479 --> 01:54:16.500
How did you notice that, sold?

2195
01:54:16.500 --> 01:54:16.739
Yeah.

2196
01:54:17.699 --> 01:54:19.920
She does get short change.

2197
01:54:19.979 --> 01:54:20.760
Yeah, she does.

2198
01:54:20.819 --> 01:54:21.779
It's not fair.

2199
01:54:21.840 --> 01:54:25.619
Well, no, then she starts acting and then, you know, yeah.

2200
01:54:25.680 --> 01:54:29.880
No, she gets her boobs get to firm up in one of the films.

2201
01:54:29.939 --> 01:54:32.520
Look, she does get season 3 of Picard.

2202
01:54:32.579 --> 01:54:33.539
Yeah, that's true.

2203
01:54:33.600 --> 01:54:34.560
She's awesome.

2204
01:54:34.619 --> 01:54:38.340
She does look magnificent in season three of Picard, doesn't she?

2205
01:54:38.399 --> 01:54:39.180
She's amazing.

2206
01:54:39.239 --> 01:54:41.880
This, I've lost a brother and then I got him back.

2207
01:54:42.479 --> 01:54:45.180
Which I think is really very sweet.

2208
01:54:45.239 --> 01:54:49.020
I think that's great We're spending a bit of time with his lost brother, aren't we?

2209
01:54:49.079 --> 01:54:51.300
And Stranger New Wells at the moment.

2210
01:54:51.359 --> 01:54:56.579
Yes, but so yes, he's forgotten about George, can I...

2211
01:54:56.579 --> 01:55:01.800
Can I say that Leonard Nemoy actually looks better there?

2212
01:55:01.859 --> 01:55:05.819
Like his makeup is so much better than earlier in the film.

2213
01:55:05.880 --> 01:55:06.779
Yeah.

2214
01:55:06.840 --> 01:55:08.520
And he still looks so old.

2215
01:55:08.579 --> 01:55:09.539
But look at them.

2216
01:55:09.600 --> 01:55:11.399
Look how warm they are and now back.

2217
01:55:11.520 --> 01:55:14.159
Oh, sorry, Tom.

2218
01:55:14.460 --> 01:55:20.760
When he started, like, I punched the air when he started playing row, row, row, your boat.

2219
01:55:20.760 --> 01:55:22.319
And it was wonderful.

2220
01:55:22.380 --> 01:55:23.159
Yeah.

2221
01:55:23.159 --> 01:55:28.380
I question it and questioning everything.

2222
01:55:28.439 --> 01:55:32.279
I mean, I'm glad we got 6 and this wasn't how they went out in the movie.

2223
01:55:32.340 --> 01:55:34.199
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

2224
01:55:34.260 --> 01:55:36.539
Oh, look, look, it's a nice moment.

2225
01:55:36.600 --> 01:55:38.039
But that's right.

2226
01:55:38.100 --> 01:55:44.100
If this is, you know, the final thing, and it isn't, um, it's just those three.

2227
01:55:44.100 --> 01:55:56.039
And it's the last time, I think, maybe we get that dealt with in, you know, to such a degree, because... 6 is a functional film where things happen.

2228
01:55:56.039 --> 01:56:01.140
And, you know, like, whereas here, basically all we have is this this trio.

2229
01:56:01.199 --> 01:56:06.420
And then it becomes a bar. we take away from this, then I think it's deserves nearly.

2230
01:56:06.479 --> 01:56:07.260
Yeah, yeah.

2231
01:56:08.460 --> 01:56:10.979
Yes, there we go.

2232
01:56:11.100 --> 01:56:13.199
We pull back and that's our film.

2233
01:56:13.560 --> 01:56:17.159
Merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily.

2234
01:56:17.279 --> 01:56:19.500
Life is but a dream.

2235
01:56:19.619 --> 01:56:23.340
Well, somehow that seemed even slower watching it this time.

2236
01:56:23.399 --> 01:56:24.659
It was amazing.

2237
01:56:24.720 --> 01:56:27.359
No, it's because we had to talk all the way through it.

2238
01:56:27.420 --> 01:56:28.319
We had to keep going.

2239
01:56:28.500 --> 01:56:31.319
It's a lot easier when there's a plot.

2240
01:56:31.380 --> 01:56:32.220
It's a net.

2241
01:56:32.220 --> 01:56:34.680
Yes. things to comment on.

2242
01:56:34.739 --> 01:56:36.539
Captain Klar.

2243
01:56:36.600 --> 01:56:37.560
Captain Claw.

2244
01:56:37.619 --> 01:56:39.060
Hot...

2245
01:56:39.119 --> 01:56:40.079
John, there he is.

2246
01:56:40.140 --> 01:56:40.920
See, John.

2247
01:56:40.979 --> 01:56:42.779
Oh, Cubans.

2248
01:56:43.319 --> 01:56:45.840
Oh, Harvey Bennett, you were correct.

2249
01:56:45.899 --> 01:56:48.239
Yeah, Melanie Shatner..

2250
01:56:48.300 --> 01:56:49.079
Yep, yep.

2251
01:56:49.140 --> 01:56:54.420
Nope, I do my research. and it took a lot of people to make this.

2252
01:56:57.119 --> 01:57:05.039
You know, how you watch the credits of some films, and they say special effects, and they list all the different people that have worked on it.

2253
01:57:05.100 --> 01:57:07.739
I don't think there's going to be very long lists.

2254
01:57:07.800 --> 01:57:08.039
Yeah.

2255
01:57:08.640 --> 01:57:11.220
They're now going under an alien.

2256
01:57:11.279 --> 01:57:17.039
Look, I think I've come away from that with a new appreciation for the cock.

2257
01:57:17.100 --> 01:57:19.920
That's for the Spock.

2258
01:57:19.979 --> 01:57:21.539
I'm going to cut that.

2259
01:57:22.619 --> 01:57:24.479
No, keep it in.

2260
01:57:24.479 --> 01:57:25.680
Coy dynamic.

2261
01:57:25.739 --> 01:57:26.520
Yeah, yeah.

2262
01:57:26.579 --> 01:57:29.100
And for all the little character bits with them.

2263
01:57:29.220 --> 01:57:33.600
But it just, the story just doesn't...

2264
01:57:33.659 --> 01:57:35.279
You just want more from it.

2265
01:57:35.340 --> 01:57:46.739
You want more action, you want more jeopardy. those nice moments with them exploring their pain or whatever should have been brought into this movie and dealt with God, like that should have come to something with that.

2266
01:57:46.800 --> 01:57:49.680
And it just, it's just too laboured.

2267
01:57:49.739 --> 01:57:50.520
Yeah, yeah.

2268
01:57:50.579 --> 01:57:52.140
And I think just like the twist.

2269
01:57:52.199 --> 01:57:53.100
Oh, guess what?

2270
01:57:53.159 --> 01:57:54.300
It's not God, he's evil.

2271
01:57:54.359 --> 01:57:55.079
Do you know what I mean?

2272
01:57:55.140 --> 01:57:56.460
Like that's like...

2273
01:57:56.520 --> 01:57:58.319
Well, of course it's going to not be God.

2274
01:57:58.380 --> 01:58:05.220
But let's have some challenges to get there and then bit more than like 5 seconds of conversation to work that out.

2275
01:58:05.279 --> 01:58:06.539
Yeah, I think you're right.

2276
01:58:06.659 --> 01:58:08.340
Before I watched it this week.

2277
01:58:08.399 --> 01:58:14.399
I hadn't seen it for such a long time and I really did come away from watching it on my own.

2278
01:58:14.460 --> 01:58:27.060
Like, wow, that was a string of really lovely moments, but now actually talking about this for 2 hours as a movie, as a movie, it just pans, doesn't it?

2279
01:58:27.119 --> 01:58:28.560
There's no spectacle.

2280
01:58:28.619 --> 01:58:29.520
There's no pace.

2281
01:58:29.579 --> 01:58:36.060
There's no set pieces to make you go, wow, there's $30000000 on the screen, you know?

2282
01:58:36.180 --> 01:58:39.000
There's a lot of set pieces like going up the lift shaft.

2283
01:58:39.060 --> 01:58:40.079
You who are doing her dance.

2284
01:58:40.140 --> 01:58:51.539
Like, there's, there is, and there's a lot of nice stuff, but I think once it gets to God or the barrier bit, it just begins to, like, all that lovely stuff up to that point is lovely stuff.

2285
01:58:51.600 --> 01:58:55.380
But then it just doesn't come together at that and that you feel let down.

2286
01:58:55.439 --> 01:59:01.020
Yeah, I mean, my experience was also that why hasn't this film started yet?

2287
01:59:01.079 --> 01:59:04.319
Like I'm an hour in and I don't know where we're going.

2288
01:59:04.380 --> 01:59:14.880
And when you think of the really, really strong hooks that things like one and 4 and 2 and like even three, like they're very, very clearly going to be about something.

2289
01:59:14.939 --> 01:59:22.260
There's someone who once said that a film, if you're in a film, then you're about to experience the worst day of your life.

2290
01:59:22.319 --> 01:59:23.579
Do you know what I mean?

2291
01:59:23.640 --> 01:59:27.659
Because a film is about a big giant world changing event.

2292
01:59:27.720 --> 01:59:36.180
One of the reasons for that people don't rate insurrection is that it's like a, you know, late TNG TV is like the worst day of your life.

2293
01:59:37.020 --> 01:59:42.359
But this, just nothing very much happens here.

2294
01:59:42.420 --> 01:59:47.039
Just there's not enough incident and we don't know what this is about.

2295
01:59:47.100 --> 01:59:50.520
You know, it's the film about the one where they find God.

2296
01:59:50.579 --> 01:59:56.579
You know, you know, how I say the cold open, the end of the cold open is where you find out what an episode's about.

2297
01:59:56.640 --> 02:00:02.460
Here the cold open is Johan and Cybok.

2298
02:00:02.520 --> 02:00:08.039
And that sort of tells us something, but we don't know what any of that means.

2299
02:00:08.100 --> 02:00:10.500
And so it's not a sufficient hawk.

2300
02:00:10.560 --> 02:00:19.260
No, it needs to be somebody trying to get through the Great Barrier and failing to get through there and Cybuck was something witnessing this or something like that.

2301
02:00:19.380 --> 02:00:23.279
Just to say that's our hook in and that's where we're going. where we're going.

2302
02:00:23.340 --> 02:00:23.939
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

2303
02:00:24.000 --> 02:00:36.060
It's in no way the best movie that we've covered on this podcast because I think that is four, which has energy and charm and humour running through it and it's just an amazing watch.

2304
02:00:36.119 --> 02:00:39.180
I don't think it's the worst we've done though.

2305
02:00:39.239 --> 02:00:41.460
I think generations is the worst movie than this.

2306
02:00:41.520 --> 02:00:53.340
I mean, it's a better movie in terms of spectacle, but I mean, even the character moment is bombing generations, you know, and you've got data doing that dreadful humour throughout, which is irritating as hell.

2307
02:00:53.340 --> 02:00:56.939
There's a bit on the boat at the start, which we cringed our way through.

2308
02:00:57.000 --> 02:01:02.460
Like, at least this does have the charm of the original cast and funny moments.

2309
02:01:02.760 --> 02:01:04.380
I agree with you.

2310
02:01:04.439 --> 02:01:06.600
I think that that's the strength of it.

2311
02:01:06.659 --> 02:01:11.640
Funny moments, charm of the original cast and a likeable villain.

2312
02:01:11.760 --> 02:01:12.060
Yeah.

2313
02:01:12.119 --> 02:01:12.659
Yeah.

2314
02:01:12.659 --> 02:01:14.640
Yeah, I guess that's right.

2315
02:01:14.699 --> 02:01:19.439
I mean, in all sorts of technical ways, generations is a vastly better film than this.

2316
02:01:19.500 --> 02:01:23.159
But it is a bit charmless, isn't it?

2317
02:01:23.220 --> 02:01:32.640
And it's, you know, I complained about the people of Veridian for the invisible people of Veridian 4, who I've never met and I don't care about at all.

2318
02:01:32.699 --> 02:01:34.439
And that's the entire thing.

2319
02:01:34.560 --> 02:01:37.199
You know, complain about Olivia Hack.

2320
02:01:37.500 --> 02:01:47.640
I mean, comparing patrols, we watched generations and that dismal moment where they murder Picard's family for no reason whatsoever.

2321
02:01:47.699 --> 02:01:54.119
Whereas here, the moment where you see McCoy assists the suicide of his dad.

2322
02:01:54.180 --> 02:01:55.500
That was really moving.

2323
02:01:55.560 --> 02:01:56.579
Yeah.

2324
02:01:56.579 --> 02:01:59.760
Yeah, no, I really disliked that in generation.

2325
02:01:59.760 --> 02:02:03.119
They just get rid of his family in one swoop.

2326
02:02:03.180 --> 02:02:06.899
Yeah, just to make Patrick Stewart cry for five minutes.

2327
02:02:06.960 --> 02:02:07.680
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

2328
02:02:07.739 --> 02:02:12.420
It just seems unpleasant and it makes watching family a bit less pleasant, I think.

2329
02:02:12.479 --> 02:02:19.020
But I just like that in movies where they obviously are in family and they survive things there.

2330
02:02:19.079 --> 02:02:23.520
But, you know, whether you're the little girl in aliens and then she's killed off.

2331
02:02:23.579 --> 02:02:24.659
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

2332
02:02:24.720 --> 02:02:27.060
Like, that's the thing that I really dislike.

2333
02:02:27.119 --> 02:02:30.359
They survive a movie and then the sequel kills them off.

2334
02:02:30.420 --> 02:02:31.439
Yeah, yeah.

2335
02:02:31.500 --> 02:02:40.020
So are we, are we learning then that if the even numbered movies are pretty, and the odd number of movies are pretty terrible?

2336
02:02:40.079 --> 02:02:42.300
There are still degrees of terrible.

2337
02:02:42.359 --> 02:02:47.520
Yeah, and this is in no way than the deer of the Star Trek movies.

2338
02:02:47.579 --> 02:02:50.760
I mean, I couldn't say that just for the bit with Ahura naked.

2339
02:02:51.300 --> 02:02:56.699
Well, I mean, I mean, if you're going with odd numbers, you know, search for Spock is not there.

2340
02:02:56.760 --> 02:02:58.079
It's definitely better than this.

2341
02:02:58.140 --> 02:02:58.739
Oh, yeah.

2342
02:02:58.800 --> 02:03:02.399
And then what generations is is seven.

2343
02:03:02.460 --> 02:03:05.699
So, you know, that's, well, not the best.

2344
02:03:05.760 --> 02:03:08.760
And then you've got insurrection, which you obviously don't like.

2345
02:03:08.880 --> 02:03:10.859
Well, 1st contact that insurrection, remember?

2346
02:03:10.979 --> 02:03:12.300
But in odd number movies.

2347
02:03:12.359 --> 02:03:13.199
The odd number movies.

2348
02:03:13.319 --> 02:03:17.460
But insurrection, I quite like I don't dislike it.

2349
02:03:17.460 --> 02:03:23.640
I quite like most of it except for when they climb up the mountain and the resolution, which I think falls to pieces.

2350
02:03:23.699 --> 02:03:35.340
But then the one that breaks, it breaks the rule is, of course, nemesis. which is the worst thing ever. so bad.

2351
02:03:35.399 --> 02:03:40.319
I don't think this movie is even as I think this is a better watch than one.

2352
02:03:40.380 --> 02:03:44.699
I mean, I gave up on one, 2 thirds of the way through because just nothing happened.

2353
02:03:44.760 --> 02:03:50.579
I know it's visually spectacular, but in terms of narrative, This is a faster movie than that.

2354
02:03:50.699 --> 02:03:53.220
And I've never seen all of one.

2355
02:03:53.279 --> 02:03:54.600
I've fallen asleep full time.

2356
02:03:54.659 --> 02:03:57.000
I mean, I don't mind one.

2357
02:03:57.000 --> 02:04:03.720
And in context, I went and saw it at the cinema, but it was the 1st Star Trek I ever saw, so I didn't see it with the right context.

2358
02:04:03.779 --> 02:04:05.819
But I can understand the instinct.

2359
02:04:05.819 --> 02:04:10.800
After these guys have been away, their show gets cancelled prematurely.

2360
02:04:10.859 --> 02:04:12.899
They've been away for a really long time.

2361
02:04:12.960 --> 02:04:18.960
It's not like generations where it's just we move straight from shooting all good things into shooting generations.

2362
02:04:19.020 --> 02:04:21.720
Like we've been given the chance to miss all these people.

2363
02:04:21.779 --> 02:04:31.319
And then seeing them back on the big screen with a big budget with something that looks incredibly impressive with a scale and all of that sort of thing.

2364
02:04:31.380 --> 02:04:33.899
Like, it's amazing in context, I think.

2365
02:04:33.960 --> 02:04:38.039
But it is a misfire and they obviously decide to...

2366
02:04:38.100 --> 02:04:38.760
No, that's true.

2367
02:04:38.819 --> 02:04:40.260
It's a very serious, mate.

2368
02:04:40.319 --> 02:04:41.880
Are they looking for God in that one as well?

2369
02:04:41.939 --> 02:04:43.140
A bit.

2370
02:04:43.199 --> 02:04:46.619
I think that there's a deliberate kind of attempt to echo that.

2371
02:04:46.680 --> 02:04:57.180
What with, you know, Voyager 2 with Klar, Captain Clarb, destroying Voyager 2, I think it is very much kind of doing a nod at the motionless picture, for sure.

2372
02:04:57.300 --> 02:05:07.380
Well, I think it's a pretty ridiculous, idiotic, slow paced movie, but I can't say I didn't have fun with it.

2373
02:05:07.439 --> 02:05:08.520
I think that's fair.

2374
02:05:15.000 --> 02:05:22.800
All right, it's the end of the episode and it is time for us to work out where we're going next.

2375
02:05:22.859 --> 02:05:30.359
Todd is here with us, sitting next to me in front of the computer and we have the randomiser open in front of us.

2376
02:05:30.420 --> 02:05:34.859
Todd, can you tell me what series we're going to be watching next time and why?

2377
02:05:34.920 --> 02:05:37.739
We're going with Deep Space Nine.

2378
02:05:37.800 --> 02:05:40.380
Is that sucking up to Joe?

2379
02:05:40.439 --> 02:05:42.600
Oh, that's you..

2380
02:05:43.920 --> 02:05:46.619
Because it is my favourite Star Trek series.

2381
02:05:46.680 --> 02:06:03.300
Yeah, I was tempted to give you Voyager or Enterprise because I didn't get movie I wanted, but I thought, no, I really want something whenever this goes out, hopefully to start end the year or start the new year off.

2382
02:06:03.359 --> 02:06:06.060
Unless we get a bad episode, which...

2383
02:06:06.060 --> 02:06:07.439
I'll be laughing my head off.

2384
02:06:07.439 --> 02:06:08.159
We can roll again.

2385
02:06:08.220 --> 02:06:09.960
Well, it's only if it's really season one.

2386
02:06:10.020 --> 02:06:15.420
Okay, only Nathan is perverse enough to choose Enterprise on a regular basis, you know?

2387
02:06:15.479 --> 02:06:17.279
No, I couldn't do that to you.

2388
02:06:17.340 --> 02:06:18.060
I just couldn't.

2389
02:06:18.119 --> 02:06:19.619
I'll have to do it next.

2390
02:06:19.680 --> 02:06:20.460
All right.

2391
02:06:20.520 --> 02:06:22.739
Fingers crossed for a banger.

2392
02:06:22.859 --> 02:06:24.180
Do I push this button?

2393
02:06:24.239 --> 02:06:24.720
Yep.

2394
02:06:24.779 --> 02:06:25.500
Okay.

2395
02:06:25.560 --> 02:06:26.460
Read it out.

2396
02:06:26.520 --> 02:06:32.520
It's your random Star Trek Deep Season 9 episode is The Reckoning, season six, episode 21.

2397
02:06:32.819 --> 02:06:34.560
Is that terrible?

2398
02:06:34.619 --> 02:06:35.819
What's the reckoning?

2399
02:06:35.880 --> 02:06:39.479
It's the one where, you know, where Jake and Kira on the promenade?

2400
02:06:39.539 --> 02:06:42.779
Oh, right versus...

2401
02:06:42.779 --> 02:06:43.260
Prophet.

2402
02:06:43.260 --> 02:06:43.920
Profit, yeah.

2403
02:06:43.979 --> 02:06:46.380
Infiring beams in each other?

2404
02:06:46.380 --> 02:06:49.560
Boring series of beams coming out of each other.

2405
02:06:49.680 --> 02:06:52.140
That was the worst episode ever.

2406
02:06:52.380 --> 02:06:54.300
Okay, do it again.

2407
02:06:54.359 --> 02:06:55.260
Okay, I'll go with that.

2408
02:06:55.319 --> 02:06:55.859
Oh, come on, Todd.

2409
02:06:55.920 --> 02:06:56.579
You only get to do it once.

2410
02:06:56.640 --> 02:06:57.300
I keep rolling.

2411
02:06:57.359 --> 02:06:59.100
I know I've got to keep...

2412
02:07:00.779 --> 02:07:02.520
I think it has to be this.

2413
02:07:02.579 --> 02:07:03.420
What?

2414
02:07:03.420 --> 02:07:03.960
What?

2415
02:07:03.960 --> 02:07:06.180
It's the way of the weird.

2416
02:07:06.239 --> 02:07:07.800
It's the way of the home.

2417
02:07:08.460 --> 02:07:10.680
Finally, we're watching a movie.

2418
02:07:10.739 --> 02:07:11.640
Oh my goodness.

2419
02:07:11.699 --> 02:07:13.140
Oh my goodness.

2420
02:07:13.199 --> 02:07:14.399
Well, you know what?

2421
02:07:14.460 --> 02:07:15.180
It was meant to be.

2422
02:07:15.239 --> 02:07:16.140
I think it was.

2423
02:07:16.140 --> 02:07:17.520
My favourite series.

2424
02:07:17.880 --> 02:07:23.159
And although I didn't get to do my favourite movie, this is one of my favourite episodes of ever.

2425
02:07:23.220 --> 02:07:23.880
That's so great.

2426
02:07:23.939 --> 02:07:25.319
Well, that is pretty good.

2427
02:07:25.439 --> 02:07:29.399
You're either last or desperately searching for a good tailor.

2428
02:07:29.460 --> 02:07:31.380
Oh my god, I love it so much.

2429
02:07:32.939 --> 02:07:35.579
Oh, brilliant, well done.

2430
02:07:35.640 --> 02:07:37.739
And you get to watch double episode then.

2431
02:07:37.800 --> 02:07:38.880
Yeah, it's cool.

2432
02:07:38.939 --> 02:07:39.420
Awesome.

2433
02:07:46.140 --> 02:07:53.220
You've been listening to Entitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford, Nathan Bottomley and special guest star Todd Bealby.

2434
02:07:53.279 --> 02:07:59.579
We're online at untitled Star Trek Project.com, where you can find subscription links and links to our social media accounts.

2435
02:07:59.699 --> 02:08:04.859
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Sisrin and the theme was composed by Cameron Lamb.

2436
02:08:04.920 --> 02:08:10.859
This episode was recorded on the 15th of December 2025 and released on the 19th of December.

2437
02:08:10.920 --> 02:08:15.659
We'll see you next time for Star Trek Deep Space 9, The Way of the Warrior.

2438
02:08:32.100 --> 02:08:37.619
I think there's more action in Way of the Warrior than there is in Star Trek 5, you know.

2439
02:08:37.680 --> 02:08:50.460
Do you know, you and I have watched Way of the Warrior together once before, and I think that I concluded that there was actually far less action.

2440
02:08:50.699 --> 02:08:56.220
There's action sequences that I've done extremely well and they'd really use their budget.

2441
02:08:56.279 --> 02:09:01.020
But also, please compare and contrast to what else was coming out in the 90s from Star Trek.

2442
02:09:01.079 --> 02:09:02.579
There's plenty of action.

2443
02:09:02.640 --> 02:09:03.720
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

2444
02:09:03.779 --> 02:09:04.260
That's true.

2445
02:09:04.319 --> 02:09:05.159
That is true.

2446
02:09:05.220 --> 02:09:11.699
It's also that wonderful period where they were still using models before they go all CGI on DS9.

2447
02:09:11.939 --> 02:09:18.359
So they've still got the model spaceships in, but it's a lot of it's enhanced with CGIFX.

2448
02:09:18.420 --> 02:09:20.699
So it's really, it's that sort of midway ground.

2449
02:09:20.819 --> 02:09:28.619
And, you know, this is like the opening episode of this season, Voyager would have had its opening episode of season two.

2450
02:09:28.680 --> 02:09:29.819
Ah yes, okay.

2451
02:09:29.880 --> 02:09:30.779
Which would have been what?

2452
02:09:30.840 --> 02:09:32.399
Terrible.

2453
02:09:32.460 --> 02:09:34.380
Yeah, terrible because it peters out.

2454
02:09:34.439 --> 02:09:40.619
Remember, there's a whole bunch of episodes had they hold over from season one and so season one doesn't even end properly.

2455
02:09:40.680 --> 02:09:41.579
Like it makes no sense.

2456
02:09:41.640 --> 02:09:44.399
But to me, this is where the show was building too.

2457
02:09:44.460 --> 02:09:45.180
Yeah.

2458
02:09:45.180 --> 02:09:47.760
It's just so witty, isn't it?

2459
02:09:47.880 --> 02:09:51.180
I find this hand-to-hand come back, really quite distasteful.

2460
02:09:51.239 --> 02:09:54.720
I suppose you prefer the simplicity of an interrogation chamber.

2461
02:09:54.779 --> 02:09:57.479
You have to admit, it's much more civilised.

2462
02:09:58.319 --> 02:10:00.600
It's so gross.

2463
02:10:01.800 --> 02:10:03.659
Enjoy, gentlemen.

2464
02:10:03.720 --> 02:10:04.619
Thank you so much.

2465
02:10:04.680 --> 02:10:05.100
What a gift.

2466
02:10:05.220 --> 02:10:05.939
Thank you, what a gift.

2467
02:10:06.000 --> 02:10:07.079
Well done.

2468
02:10:07.199 --> 02:10:07.560
Thank you.

2469
02:10:07.680 --> 02:10:09.539
That feels like Christmas to me now.

2470
02:10:09.600 --> 02:10:10.260
Thanks, Todd.

2471
02:10:10.319 --> 02:10:11.460
Yeah, that was really good.

2472
02:10:11.520 --> 02:10:12.539
I'm really happy about that.

2473
02:10:12.600 --> 02:10:18.840
I can't believe that came up because like I was...

2474
02:10:18.899 --> 02:10:20.340
Oh, boy.