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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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Hey, Todd.

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Hello.

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So we are here for our Christmas special, and we're here with

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friend of the podcast, longtime listener and fellow podcaster on

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Flight Through Entirety, Todd Bealby.

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How are you?

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I'm well, thank you for having me.

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I feel really honoured.

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Thank you for joining us.

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I've been looking forward to it for months and months now.

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Before you even go any further, can I ask Todd a question quickly

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before we stop about this terrible movie?

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Todd, what's your Star Trek experience?

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I have no idea.

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Like, you know, what's your favourites?

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What do you really hate?

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And you know, when did you come in?

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I came in to Star Trek the Next Generation.

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Remember me.

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Was the really the 1st one that got me hooked?

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So I know series 4 to 6 really well of Next Generation, but then

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when Deep Space 9 came along, I moved on to that, because this is

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the 1st one I came in with from the beginning, and I adore Deep

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Space 9, my favourite by far.

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Man of taste.

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I then went on to Voyager and was continually disappointed and I

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gave up the Hirogen Arc.

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When they resolved their big, they were on the holodeck and the

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Voyager crew were losing and then between our brakes, they

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resolved it and Janeway said, oh, we've come to a truce and I went

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are you kidding me?

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And so I think I soldiered onto the end of the season, then I

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didn't watch anything else up to the end of that show.

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I watched a few episodes of Enterprise.

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Enterprise.

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But I'd moved on by that time onto things like Buffy and Angel.

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Yeah, you still would have ditched it, Todd. even if you hadn't

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have moved on.

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You'd just watch those episodes and go, yeah, life is too short

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for this.

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I've never seen the original series properly.

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I've seen a couple of episodes.

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I've obviously seen most of the movies.

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And this one, the Final Frontier, was the 1st one that I saw at

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the cinema.

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I only saw search for Spock like 10 years ago and I hadn't even

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got through the motionless picture.

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I fallen asleep 4 times now.

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So I know I know the original crew from like the movies and that.

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So and culture.

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Of all the recent treks, I started with, obviously, with Discovery

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and I watched the 1st 3 and a bit seasons of that, and then I sort

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of just drifted away.

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So I haven't finished that.

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I've seen all of lower decks because that is fabulous.

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Of course you are.

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And just references everything that I really do know.

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And I really like Strange New Worlds, but I'm far behind.

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And I've seen the 1st season of Prodigy.

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Yeah, yeah.

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What about Picard?

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Oh, and I've seen all of the card, obviously.

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And, you know, the 3rd season of that I adore because it's like

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back to the TNG crew who were my 1st crew.

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And although they're not the crew that I love the most, they're

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still up there.

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You know, I just can't walk away from them and that.

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No, and they had that sort of big cultural space, I think, at the

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time.

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Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely.

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Plus, you know, it's got other people in there that I really like

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like Jerry Ryan, who's by far in the doctor and Kate Mould grew

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the best things on Voyager, you know, so and Raffi and that hot

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guy, what's his Rios, right?

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So I like all of that in Picard.

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Who's the other girl that's in it?

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Oh, Alison Peele.

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Who I absolutely detest and everything she's ever done.

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So, I really struggle with her because, you know, you know how

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there's some actors that you just don't, Joel with?

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So when she was in, I was thinking, oh, but she's okay, but I

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don't love or like other people.

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I mean, she turned into the manifestation of all leisure.

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So that's all.

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So that's my Star Trek experience for you, Job. A rich pedigree.

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I've got to say, okay, you've done a lot of it.

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I absolutely adore listening to you guys with Deep Space 9 because

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it's my 1st love.

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I love listening to you with TNG because I know it pretty well and

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I adore you doing Voyager because you rip it to shreds when it

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needs to be ripped to shreds and you praise it when it needs to be

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praised.

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I mean, Nathan, I'm getting the impression here, you know, Todd's

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more of a me than a you.

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Yeah, I think he likes all the things that you like.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Todd, um, how do you feel like co-hosting uh, untitled style?

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No, no, no.

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Yeah, that's a redraw, the Albemart.

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I enjoy the fires.

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So we are doing our traditional Christmas film.

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This is the 4th time we've done a Star Trek film. and we are doing

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Star Trek 5, the final frontier.

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It was released on the 9th of June 1989 in the US.

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And that places it directly between up the long ladder and

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manhunt.

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Oh my goodness.

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Two seminal classics of TNG.

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We've done both of them on untitled Star Trek Project, and we did

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up the long ladder quite recently and kind of had fun, I think.

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Is that in terms of broadcast?

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Yeah, in terms of broadcast.

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So there's a freeway.

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Yeah.

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Because this was made, right, at the same time as TNG.

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They were making in the same studios, this movie.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And, you know, clearly the Enterprise D's corridors and staff are

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serving as the Enterprise A's corridors and there's some very long

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boring story on memory alpha about where the bridge of the

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Enterprise A comes from, but I can't remember it.

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And, and, you know, some of the Klingon staff, I think, sort of

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cross pollinates.

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Yes, this isn't anyone's favourite Star Trek movie, probably.

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But I have to say that I watched it this afternoon.

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I did not off a couple of times and I did have to rewind, but I

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don't think it's the war crime that it's been made out to be sort

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of generally by fandom.

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It's kind of bad, but it's not an atrocity.

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I remember this being really, really bad.

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And I watched this in 3 sittings over the last 2 days and I had a

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fucking blast with it.

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I mean, it is diabolical in many, many ways, certainly in terms of

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where all those 1000000s of pounds went on the screen.

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But God is fun and all the humour with the original crew is there

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and it's fucking crazy, right?

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It's so like TOS this.

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What if we go and find God in the middle of the universe?

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That has been cut from the same cloth as what if Abraham Lincoln

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came floating through space on a chair on the viewscreen, right?

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Yeah, yeah.

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The big green hand that grabs the Enterprise.

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What about that?

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You know, like it's that sort of thing.

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So it is very TOS and, you know, and fair enough.

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What I thought about it, though, was it just he's a little bit

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light on incident, but it was also a love letter to those 3 main

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characters who are so important, and I thought that was really

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nice.

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I did appreciate that Look, it's better than Nemesis.

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Yes.

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Anything's better than Nemesis.

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I would just be angry if we were watching that.

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But, I mean, I remember watching it originally at the cinema

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thinking, oh, this is what Star Trek's like, you know?

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We're going to find some entity. in space.

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And I didn't really think much of it at that time.

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Like, I just thought it was okay.

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And I think this is just a, well, I think it's okay.

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It's a series of incidents, set pieces that, you know, kind of

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want to take off, but often don't.

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And it's, you know, obviously Will Shatner's vanity project saying

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to Leonard Nemo, anything you can do.

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I can do better.

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I can do anything better than you.

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No, you can't.

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End of.

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Does Neemoy come back to do six?

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No, he's three, four.

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I think it's a plus mile.

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Yeah, he did two. didn't he?

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Two and six.

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Yeah.

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No wonder they're so great.

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Well, and that is an absolute return to form, I think, you know

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that's a really, really great film.

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And that I remember going to, because it's not a summer film.

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I mean, remember, this is a summer blockbuster in the United

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States.

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It's released in the middle of the year where summer happens in

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some parts of the world.

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And it's up against, um, is it Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade

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possibly.

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Definitely the Batman film, you know, the big 1st Tim Burton

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Batman film, which was a huge.

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Which one's not going to succeed?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And because this isn't that great.

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And probably looks a bit tired as well.

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I don't know.

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You've come off that incredible trilogy, that amazing trilogy.

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We did Star Trek 4 already, you know, like a couple of Christmases

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ago, and it's brilliant.

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It's a great film.

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But it connects with the general public.

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Whereas, you know, even as somebody's watched Star Trek and I'm

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watching this going, what?

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Yeah.

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So if I'm doing that, imagine what the general public's doing.

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Thing is, I just think, like, when it came out, it needed to land

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as a movie with the general public and it failed miserably.

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And I was reading that there were some places where they didn't

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even send this abroad because it had done so badly in the US.

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I mean, it came to the UK and it only made like a 1000000 over

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here, so it didn't do spectacularly well over here.

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But now, all of these years later, yeah, this to me, it just feels

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like a dose of TOS being injected into my veins.

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Like you said there, Nathan, the focus on the 3 main characters

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that's TOS through and through, you know, ignoring all the all the

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rest of the regulars.

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Yep, they did that week in, week out, the batshit premise, the

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humour, all of it.

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So now I think this lands, I don't think it matters now.

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Is it enjoyable scene to scene?

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Yeah, I really enjoyed it, scene to scene, I think.

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Row, row, row your boat, Ahura, dancing naked on the sand dunes.

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I know this ship like the back of my hand, you know, what does

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guard need with a spaceship?

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I mean, I just had great fun with this.

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It is terrible.

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Like I haven't lost all my critical faculties, but I did have fun

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with it.

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It's that hang time thing, and the thing that it reminded me most

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of is a vastly better film, which is Star Trek beyond, where we

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get to spend some time with each character for a bit, and there's

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a lot of just kind of going from place to place, and there's a lot

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of time for just character interaction.

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And it's a film that has much more incident.

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It's visually stunning.

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Everyone's not in their 50s.

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Like it's a bit more lively and exciting.

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But what it does do, which neither of the other two, you know, more

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modern Star Trek films have done is just give us enough time with

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all of the regular characters, I think.

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Oh, I don't remember a single thing about Star Trek Beyond.

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I couldn't tell you one scene that is in that movie, whereas there

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are moments in this that are burn into my consciousness.

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If you just said Star Trek 5, I would think of Spock in those sort

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of levitation boots halfway up that mountain.

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And not because I've seen the film more than once, because I don't

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think I had.

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I think I had seen it once before this, maybe twice, you know, at

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the outside, but those things excerpted.

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Remember when the DVDs of Star Trek, the Next Generation came out

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and they had that big trailer and one of the hero moments in the

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trailer, which was covering all of Star Trek, the movies, the

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original, is Scotty hitting his head on the bulkhead, which I've

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now seen, 100s and 100s of times, you know, every time we put TNG

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on.

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You know, so if there's one thing for this movie, it's that moment

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you know?

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Try and fuel.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah.

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So like it's it's a film that's more important to me than Star

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Trek Beyond, which I think I've probably only seen twice, but I'm

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looking forward to doing Star Trek Beyond when it comes along.

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It's actually pretty good I forgot about all those more recent

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movies.

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We could have got one of them and I would have gone, what are

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these things?

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You might have got section 31, you know, that's in there as well.

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I'm the only person who likes section 31 and I will die to defend

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it.

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I still figure 2 our run would have been great fun, you know.

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I mean we did recently.

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We recently discovered, you know, that hegemony, which was a two

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part Strange New Worlds episode, rift a lot on the best of both

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worlds.

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And then by pure chance, we got the best of both worlds, like a

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month later to watch.

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And we decided that Hege enemy in so many ways was a superior bit

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of television, but no one's going to remember it at all.

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Whereas the best of both worlds, which is a vastly inferior stagey

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bit of television. nobody can forget.

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And I think that's the case with 5 and beyond, you know.

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I think you might be right.

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It's a moment in time Well, it might be our moment in time as

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well.

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Who knows what younger audiences are experiencing.

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I made me start singing Martin McCutcheon, all right?

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Jesus.

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All right.

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Well, I think we should go in because this is a very long film and

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nothing very much happens and we're going to have long stretches

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of just staring at each other over the Zoom call if we say

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everything that needs to be said now. pair of you.

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That will not be an issue, you know.

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Todd, before we go in.

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Can I ask you, how's your singing voice?

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Terrible.

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Oh, great.

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Well, if we get desperate, I'll start singing Row, row your boat

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and you know when to jump in, all right?

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You love that moment.

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I thought it was so tedious.

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I just said they're going, really?

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These middle-aged men singing this song, please.

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They're whale bastard.

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Why would you tell me that?

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Now I've got a way of encouraging a run out of it.

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Let's do this. like it.

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All right, okay.

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So I will count us in 5, 4, 3, 2, one, and we're off.

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Here we go.

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Okay, so we've got the fantastic Paramount logo happening.

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Yes, all right.

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I can't even remember.

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Does it come in with the music straight away?

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You're not, da, da, da, da, da, bum, bum.

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I can't remember.

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Oh, no, it's the next gen theme for this one, isn't it?

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I was really surprised by that.

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So that's the theme for Star Trek one, isn't it?

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Like, because is it or isn't it?

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It's whenever Jerry Goldsmith does a Star Trek movie, when James

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Horner does it, it's another one.

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So, look, we're on the planet Nimbus 2, and this is like

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Tatooine.

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It's like poundland tattooine, isn't it?

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Like, I'm going to make a suggestion, gentlemen, that you don't

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vacate on Nimba 3 anytime soon.

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It looks miserable, doesn't it?

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It does.

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And then this guy whose secret pain is that he's just got a really

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really shit dentist.

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I thought it was like Mr. Om from, isn't that, um, like Swana's

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Mossider?

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Oh, sorry.

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This guy's called John.

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What?

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But he's got he's got an apostrophe.

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It's J.

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Apostvi-O-N-N.

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So it's on, okay.

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They love punctuation in the 90s though, like Star Trek.

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I got the impression that, you know, Cybox riding a horse.

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Well, it had a sort of a very exotic sound to it.

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And I thought, okay, it's going to be some great CGI creature or

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something like that.

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No, no, no, no, it was just a horse.

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See, I actually quite like the direction here of this guy of him

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riding in.

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But it would have been much better if it had been, you know

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somebody from the actual enterprise or something.

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I don't even know who he is.

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Yeah.

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I think, I mean, this guy, though.

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Like, I guess this is our villain.

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We're meeting our villain.

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And I actually think the villain in this.

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So this is Cybok.

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I think he's really, really good.

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And the actress.

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He's really impressed.

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He's he's not overplaying at all.

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And he's not playing it as a bad guy.

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He doesn't think he's a villain and so he never does villainous

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things.

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And in fact, I think this moment here with this poor, horrible

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ugly toothless guy.

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Um, like he's genuinely he's genuinely warm and kind of and

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empathetic.

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Like, you know, he says, what, you know, he says, this is all I

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have.

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All I have is this shitty field full of holes.

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And like Cybok just looks at him. and like holds him and like he's

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not doing a magic space telepathy thing or anything.

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Do you know what I mean?

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He doesn't put his hands on his face or anything like that.

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He just holds him and his pain goes away or his pain is reckoned

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with.

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Has a secret pain, he says, well, chaps, what would your secret

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pain be that Cyblock would draw out?

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Um, and still pretty upset about that, the ending of the most

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recent Doctor Who episode.

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Not the Billy Piper thing.

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I think that's awesome.

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Where on the rest of us.

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Go to the dentist.

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I mean look at his teeth.

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But look how warm.

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But like look how genuinely warm he is.

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Yeah, I agree with you then.

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Like, but it's sort of like I'm going, well, this is really

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hooking me, that is so warm and nice.

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You know what I'm saying?

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I think what's meant to hook us, isn't it?

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The laughing Vulcan, like the way he pulls back his thing.

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We see the Vulcan is, Johan says, oh, you're a Vulcan, just in

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case people have not heard of a Vulcan before, and then he

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laughs.

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Oh, and then because it's emotion.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. because it's a Vulcan laughing.

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And remember that little girl in disaster, and it's the song, the

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laughing Vulcan and his dog.

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She wants to sing instead of Pharaoh Jacquan.

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You might think that this is the most unengaging style to a Star

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Trek movie, Todd, but I sat and watched a champagne bottle

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glacially head towards the Enterprise for about 7.5 minutes when

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we did one of these.

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You know. can get worse than this.

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Isn't that generation?

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Do we know?

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Do you know where this is?

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Where is filmed?

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No.

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It's filmed on the planet Shakari.

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What's it called?

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Shakari.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I was reading the the, the time that they had to shoot this movie

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was so brief that, you know, they, you know, setups for a movie

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would normally take hours and hours, a lot of the camera setups

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they had minutes.

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So, you know, let's let's not be too mean.

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Hey.

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Well, I thought that was quite nicely shot.

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Yeah, yeah, I think it's quite nicely shot.

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And now we do go into the Star Trek, the Next Generation.

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Yeah, yeah, weirdly, which we're hearing.

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It did pull me out.

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I'm just, it's so synonymous.

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We're ticket G as well.

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It's like, okay.

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Well, I mean, that was the exciting thing about TNG was that it

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had the original Star Trek TV show music.

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But when the ooh kicks in, instead of that, we have the theme

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though.

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That was beautiful.

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You know, yeah, I've been practising.

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Then you would kick in with the movie theme and because, you know

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a lot of the visuals and stuff and a lot of the things that are

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only in the films are in Star Trek, the Next Generation as well.

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Imagine if it had gone from Cyblock laughing too.

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It's been a long time.

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Get it from there.

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We'd be like, oh, good grief.

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I mean, this isn't the most riveting of title sequences, right?

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It's just a load of stars.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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What the hell?

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David Warner?

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Our beloved David Warner.

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Oh, David, bless him.

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Is there a single franchise he hasn't touched?

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No, I don't think there is.

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He's been in everything.

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And he was, of course, the devil in time bandits, which is an

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absolutely stunning role.

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We think this is an alien planet.

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I just think it's a stunning shot.

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It's beautiful, isn't it?

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Yeah, I agree.

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I mean, I saw all of the filming around this park.

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Well, I mean, it goes on a bit too long when he's climbing that

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mountain.

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And well, when his stunt double is climbing the mountain, let's be

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fair.

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So this is a long sequence, but again, it's the opening credits

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you know, and this is a more interesting thing than spaceships

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flying through space or champagne bottles flying through space.

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And this is supposed to be watched.

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William Shatner's rear?

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Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Right, it is sack.

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The stunt doubles rare is pretty delicious, actually.

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That's how we know it's not Kirk.

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So this is El Capitan, and I know about this because, you know, the

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Mac operating system is always named after something in

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California.

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And so it was Yosemite and then the following year it was El

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Capitan after this mountain.

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And of course, it's that Spanish for the captain.

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So he's climbing the captain's mountain and he's the captain.

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It's a thing.

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Do you remember in Enterprise series 4 after the big 2 parter?

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and there's a whole sequence like this with Archer.

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They do return to this, a couple of types of climbing mountains.

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Is it is it Yosemite?

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Like he goes up there with his...

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But he goes with, friend who is the captain of the other, um, you

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know, warp 5 vessel.

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Isn't it?

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It's like their version of home.

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Is it home?

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It called home.

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Is it called home?

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Yeah, yeah, it's their version of family, isn't it?

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I could be being very, very stupid, which is a distinct

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possibility, but how is he climbing that without ropes and

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anything?

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Is it the boots he's wearing?

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Yeah, but it's called free climbing.

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It is a thing that people do.

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What was that?

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There was a film fairly recently. crazy people.

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Yeah.

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But I've been here and I've seen people climbing up there like

506
00:22:28.500 --> 00:22:28.680
that.

507
00:22:28.740 --> 00:22:29.519
Okay.

508
00:22:29.579 --> 00:22:31.559
You've been to Yosemite.

509
00:22:31.799 --> 00:22:32.519
Oh, okay, wow.

510
00:22:32.579 --> 00:22:32.880
Okay.

511
00:22:32.940 --> 00:22:36.779
So what's interesting is you can tell that this is still a stunt

512
00:22:36.779 --> 00:22:39.420
double because this is a convincing mountain.

513
00:22:39.480 --> 00:22:40.559
It's an actual mountain.

514
00:22:40.619 --> 00:22:43.319
And then the moment that Shatner appears.

515
00:22:43.380 --> 00:22:49.380
It's Jabalite, something fibreglass, like a giant...

516
00:22:49.380 --> 00:22:51.299
It feels just like TOS.

517
00:22:51.359 --> 00:22:52.140
All right?

518
00:22:52.200 --> 00:22:53.940
Yeah, see, look, look at the mountain.

519
00:22:54.000 --> 00:22:54.960
It's a different colour.

520
00:22:55.019 --> 00:22:58.740
It's clearly just been manufactured by the guy.

521
00:22:58.799 --> 00:23:02.819
I mean, and then we then we have this backdrop.

522
00:23:02.880 --> 00:23:06.660
I mean, it looks it looks pretty great, but yes, that is very

523
00:23:06.660 --> 00:23:09.000
shiny and fibreglass, isn't it?

524
00:23:09.059 --> 00:23:12.779
I wasn't looking at the mouth. when Spock, just sock, it starts

525
00:23:12.779 --> 00:23:14.880
rising off. so funny.

526
00:23:14.940 --> 00:23:16.559
It's so ridiculous.

527
00:23:16.619 --> 00:23:17.880
I think that's adorable.

528
00:23:17.940 --> 00:23:22.079
In fact, so these are the 3 important people and these are these

529
00:23:22.079 --> 00:23:24.359
are the characters who the film is about.

530
00:23:24.420 --> 00:23:26.400
It's about their relationship.

531
00:23:26.460 --> 00:23:27.599
We start here.

532
00:23:27.660 --> 00:23:29.339
We end here.

533
00:23:29.400 --> 00:23:33.000
And they're irritating each other in the way that they've

534
00:23:33.000 --> 00:23:37.740
irritated each other throughout all of the previous Star Trek TV

535
00:23:37.740 --> 00:23:39.539
shows and films.

536
00:23:39.599 --> 00:23:41.220
What does he say?

537
00:23:41.279 --> 00:23:42.299
You call this relaxing.

538
00:23:42.359 --> 00:23:43.799
I'm a nervous wreck.

539
00:23:43.859 --> 00:23:44.640
No, that's right.

540
00:23:44.700 --> 00:23:45.839
And why is he a nervous wreck?

541
00:23:45.900 --> 00:23:48.720
Because he loves Jim and because Jim's being a fucking idiot

542
00:23:48.720 --> 00:23:50.220
climbing this mountain.

543
00:23:50.759 --> 00:23:55.259
But like not only is this like just to show off some money, but

544
00:23:55.259 --> 00:23:59.039
it's setting up that terrible gag in the middle of the movie, isn't

545
00:23:59.039 --> 00:24:02.160
it, where you've got the space boots and they're going down the

546
00:24:02.160 --> 00:24:03.119
turbo lift.

547
00:24:03.180 --> 00:24:04.680
It's so much fun though.

548
00:24:04.920 --> 00:24:06.539
But I like this.

549
00:24:07.079 --> 00:24:10.799
I enjoyed this at the time and I love all this banter and the fact

550
00:24:10.799 --> 00:24:14.579
that he's bobbing up and down or just it's adorably ridiculous.

551
00:24:14.640 --> 00:24:16.559
And I think it's well directed.

552
00:24:16.619 --> 00:24:17.640
Yeah, yeah.

553
00:24:18.359 --> 00:24:19.500
It beyond a massive crime.

554
00:24:19.559 --> 00:24:20.579
Is that how they're doing?

555
00:24:20.640 --> 00:24:23.579
Are they just... up and down.

556
00:24:23.759 --> 00:24:27.480
I'm going to have some banter as I'm like free climbing up here

557
00:24:27.480 --> 00:24:29.759
and I'm not going to fall.

558
00:24:29.880 --> 00:24:31.319
Here we go.

559
00:24:31.920 --> 00:24:36.299
Not quite the contrary, gravity is most definitely on my mind.

560
00:24:38.039 --> 00:24:40.259
I mean, it's so cute.

561
00:24:40.319 --> 00:24:43.920
It's so adorably spocked to have a technological way of solving

562
00:24:43.920 --> 00:24:47.940
this problem and to be just kind of slightly smug and irritating

563
00:24:47.940 --> 00:24:52.680
and and then, you know, you've got McCoy downstairs with his blood

564
00:24:52.680 --> 00:24:56.819
pressure spiking because, you know, he's worried for the health of

565
00:24:56.819 --> 00:24:57.480
both of them.

566
00:24:57.539 --> 00:24:58.680
I just think it's perfect.

567
00:24:58.740 --> 00:25:00.599
You know, it like...

568
00:25:00.599 --> 00:25:01.740
Concentration is vital.

569
00:25:01.799 --> 00:25:02.759
You must be one with the rock.

570
00:25:02.819 --> 00:25:04.259
No, it's not well.

571
00:25:04.259 --> 00:25:07.259
It's special effects now when he goes falling down.

572
00:25:07.319 --> 00:25:08.579
It's so funny.

573
00:25:08.640 --> 00:25:12.660
But that's a real guy falling with a...

574
00:25:12.660 --> 00:25:14.460
And now, now that...

575
00:25:14.460 --> 00:25:18.240
Oh, dear, look at this is Superman...

576
00:25:18.299 --> 00:25:19.440
Yes.

577
00:25:19.440 --> 00:25:21.660
Like that is so cheap.

578
00:25:21.720 --> 00:25:22.980
I love all this at the end.

579
00:25:23.039 --> 00:25:26.940
Of course he catches him just an inch from the floor, doesn't he?

580
00:25:27.000 --> 00:25:28.019
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

581
00:25:28.079 --> 00:25:29.700
All these practical bits.

582
00:25:29.759 --> 00:25:30.660
Oh, good.

583
00:25:30.720 --> 00:25:35.339
But when you cut to that, the terrible Jabalite mountain.

584
00:25:35.400 --> 00:25:38.759
Oh, and that's cute too, having him running upside down.

585
00:25:38.819 --> 00:25:39.900
I think that's very cute.

586
00:25:40.920 --> 00:25:42.299
Okay.

587
00:25:42.359 --> 00:25:43.619
Meanwhile, back on Ninus 3.

588
00:25:43.799 --> 00:25:46.980
This cheap Paradise City, I mean, look at it.

589
00:25:47.039 --> 00:25:48.359
It's just a load of boxes, isn't it?

590
00:25:48.420 --> 00:25:52.079
Well, it is, again, it's Timu Moss Iceley, isn't it?

591
00:25:52.140 --> 00:25:53.640
Like, and this...

592
00:25:53.640 --> 00:25:56.220
There's no...

593
00:25:56.279 --> 00:25:57.599
There's no music.

594
00:25:57.660 --> 00:25:59.880
Wait for it. are we dancing to?

595
00:25:59.940 --> 00:26:06.420
But what is that enormous pussy doing dancing there on the...

596
00:26:06.480 --> 00:26:07.980
Just wait a second.

597
00:26:08.039 --> 00:26:11.880
So she's, I think she's occasion, like, to Anna, like, Dr. Tana

598
00:26:11.880 --> 00:26:12.299
isn't she?

599
00:26:12.359 --> 00:26:17.759
But this is so cheap compared to Star Wars.

600
00:26:17.819 --> 00:26:18.299
I know.

601
00:26:18.359 --> 00:26:19.500
Yeah, yeah.

602
00:26:19.559 --> 00:26:20.940
It's terribly cheap.

603
00:26:21.000 --> 00:26:24.059
It's cheap almost compared to contemporary Star Trek.

604
00:26:24.180 --> 00:26:25.019
Oh here we go.

605
00:26:25.079 --> 00:26:25.680
And here we go.

606
00:26:25.740 --> 00:26:28.920
You could almost count the way... episode.

607
00:26:29.039 --> 00:26:30.180
Three breasts.

608
00:26:30.240 --> 00:26:31.740
She's got 3 breasts.

609
00:26:31.799 --> 00:26:32.400
Why?

610
00:26:32.400 --> 00:26:34.680
Do you think Dr. Tana has 3 breasts?

611
00:26:34.799 --> 00:26:36.359
I don't know.

612
00:26:36.420 --> 00:26:37.920
How intriguing.

613
00:26:38.160 --> 00:26:41.160
Not a game changer for me, you know.

614
00:26:42.960 --> 00:26:44.400
Okay.

615
00:26:44.460 --> 00:26:49.680
Meanwhile, this gorgeous woman here, who everyone hates, apparently

616
00:26:49.680 --> 00:26:50.579
I don't quite know why.

617
00:26:50.640 --> 00:26:52.019
She's not very Romulan.

618
00:26:52.079 --> 00:26:54.359
We've already seen Romulans in the neutral zone at this point

619
00:26:54.359 --> 00:26:54.839
haven't we?

620
00:26:54.900 --> 00:26:56.880
I just went, this is a Romulan?

621
00:26:56.940 --> 00:26:57.420
Yeah, yeah.

622
00:26:57.480 --> 00:26:59.759
She's more of an American lady, Romulan.

623
00:26:59.819 --> 00:27:02.880
And they don't want to put the ears on it so she gets to wear

624
00:27:02.880 --> 00:27:03.839
things over ears.

625
00:27:03.900 --> 00:27:04.559
And certainly.

626
00:27:04.680 --> 00:27:06.720
They are thankless paths, though, aren't they?

627
00:27:06.779 --> 00:27:09.779
Yeah, yeah, well, again, you think, like, David Warner is in the

628
00:27:09.779 --> 00:27:10.559
opening credits.

629
00:27:10.619 --> 00:27:13.200
And you think he's going to do something and he does very little.

630
00:27:13.259 --> 00:27:14.759
I don't like her very much.

631
00:27:14.819 --> 00:27:15.960
I think she's pretty average.

632
00:27:16.019 --> 00:27:17.160
She's pretty though.

633
00:27:17.220 --> 00:27:18.359
But yes.

634
00:27:18.420 --> 00:27:20.819
Yes, she's basically an American lady.

635
00:27:20.880 --> 00:27:22.740
They're coming for dental work.

636
00:27:24.240 --> 00:27:26.880
I need it, tell us, they need it.

637
00:27:27.000 --> 00:27:29.099
He's getting revenge on his dentist I think.

638
00:27:29.160 --> 00:27:33.299
Look at this entire gang of 12 bandits.

639
00:27:35.640 --> 00:27:37.980
Storm the gates of the city.

640
00:27:38.039 --> 00:27:40.200
Oh, yeah.

641
00:27:40.200 --> 00:27:48.480
Okay, so this chord is, of course, familiar to people who watch

642
00:27:48.480 --> 00:27:53.819
Star Trek, the Next Generation, because he's Kempeck, um, in Star

643
00:27:53.819 --> 00:27:54.960
Trek, the Next Generation.

644
00:27:55.019 --> 00:27:57.000
So the original Klingon Chancellor.

645
00:27:57.059 --> 00:28:01.980
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, he dies and is succeeded by Gauron.

646
00:28:02.039 --> 00:28:03.059
So it's the same actor.

647
00:28:03.420 --> 00:28:08.339
And there's another noteable TNG guest star in the cast here too

648
00:28:08.339 --> 00:28:09.480
but more of that later.

649
00:28:09.599 --> 00:28:11.220
So what happened?

650
00:28:11.220 --> 00:28:14.460
Did ILM were doing the Indigana Jones movie, weren't they?

651
00:28:14.519 --> 00:28:15.660
Were they doing Batman as well?

652
00:28:15.720 --> 00:28:17.160
No, I don't think so.

653
00:28:17.220 --> 00:28:19.019
But I also look at that gate.

654
00:28:19.079 --> 00:28:19.680
Look at that.

655
00:28:19.740 --> 00:28:21.359
Look how well defended that thing is.

656
00:28:21.420 --> 00:28:22.319
They just walk in?

657
00:28:23.220 --> 00:28:24.059
push it gently over.

658
00:28:24.660 --> 00:28:29.759
So there was something in the memory alpha thing. that suggested

659
00:28:29.759 --> 00:28:34.140
that they thought they might be being ripped off by ILM.

660
00:28:34.200 --> 00:28:39.180
You know, at this point, ILM had done all of that shooting for

661
00:28:39.180 --> 00:28:42.779
like, all of those brilliant, like, you know, Star Trek and Next

662
00:28:42.779 --> 00:28:45.839
Generation doesn't have enough money to shoot new ship visuals

663
00:28:45.839 --> 00:28:46.440
every week.

664
00:28:46.500 --> 00:28:49.200
And so it just reuses them over and over again.

665
00:28:49.259 --> 00:28:51.059
But they're good shots.

666
00:28:51.119 --> 00:28:52.740
They're clean, they look really good.

667
00:28:52.799 --> 00:28:54.240
Do you remember that probe?

668
00:28:54.299 --> 00:28:58.079
Yeah, the probe go, wob, wob, wob, in Star Trek 4?

669
00:28:58.140 --> 00:28:59.940
That one of those shots were amazing.

670
00:29:00.000 --> 00:29:02.039
And we're back on form next time.

671
00:29:02.160 --> 00:29:06.000
Like Star Trek 6 has great visuals, but these are shit.

672
00:29:06.059 --> 00:29:07.980
Like these look like TV.

673
00:29:08.039 --> 00:29:12.480
They just look like cheap, cheap 80s crap.

674
00:29:12.539 --> 00:29:15.720
And like we've had Star Wars, you said. about the bar and all of

675
00:29:15.720 --> 00:29:15.900
that.

676
00:29:15.960 --> 00:29:19.319
I think you could get away with it in a TNG episode because that's

677
00:29:19.319 --> 00:29:21.240
what the bars kind of look like.

678
00:29:21.299 --> 00:29:22.619
But we're watching a movie.

679
00:29:22.680 --> 00:29:23.940
Why don't they have music as well?

680
00:29:24.000 --> 00:29:26.880
Like, why is she dancing, that woman on the bar dancing to like

681
00:29:26.880 --> 00:29:27.960
literally nothing at all?

682
00:29:28.440 --> 00:29:30.839
I mean, she's got 3 breasts.

683
00:29:30.900 --> 00:29:31.559
She doesn't need music.

684
00:29:31.680 --> 00:29:32.700
No, I guess not.

685
00:29:32.700 --> 00:29:33.299
Brief.

686
00:29:33.359 --> 00:29:34.799
She is on Nimbus 3.

687
00:29:36.660 --> 00:29:37.500
That's all I'm saying.

688
00:29:37.680 --> 00:29:40.200
One breast for each nimbus.

689
00:29:43.200 --> 00:29:45.539
Who made that decision?

690
00:29:45.599 --> 00:29:46.619
Was that Shatner?

691
00:29:46.680 --> 00:29:47.339
Yeah, no, no.

692
00:29:47.339 --> 00:29:48.000
Three tits.

693
00:29:48.119 --> 00:29:49.380
Give her 3 breasts.

694
00:29:49.440 --> 00:29:52.740
But, I mean, the cat people thing, you know, obviously they

695
00:29:52.740 --> 00:29:55.680
originally come from the animated series.

696
00:29:56.519 --> 00:29:58.619
Okay, this shot is okay.

697
00:29:58.680 --> 00:30:00.240
Yeah, yeah, but it's a reuse.

698
00:30:00.299 --> 00:30:01.500
Isn't this all recycles?

699
00:30:01.559 --> 00:30:02.640
Yeah, yeah, it's a cycle.

700
00:30:02.700 --> 00:30:03.240
Yeah, yeah.

701
00:30:04.079 --> 00:30:06.480
It's from the end of four, isn't it?

702
00:30:06.539 --> 00:30:09.539
Yeah, when they when they see the enterprise for the 1st time.

703
00:30:09.599 --> 00:30:10.500
Oh, yes.

704
00:30:11.279 --> 00:30:17.579
So I have to say that I don't hate this subplot because it does

705
00:30:17.579 --> 00:30:18.660
give them something to do.

706
00:30:18.720 --> 00:30:22.019
And so the idea that for some reason we have a new ship, but it

707
00:30:22.019 --> 00:30:23.279
doesn't work properly.

708
00:30:24.000 --> 00:30:25.319
I hope that doesn't happen all the time.

709
00:30:25.380 --> 00:30:27.420
I quite like it I do too.

710
00:30:27.480 --> 00:30:28.980
It's fun. you know, like I think it's.

711
00:30:29.039 --> 00:30:31.259
Do you see those 2 extras with their feet up on the consoles?

712
00:30:31.319 --> 00:30:32.519
Yeah, bastards.

713
00:30:32.579 --> 00:30:33.359
What the hell?

714
00:30:33.420 --> 00:30:34.859
Oh here we go.

715
00:30:34.920 --> 00:30:35.940
Yeah, yeah.

716
00:30:36.000 --> 00:30:38.400
So now these 2 are, what's happening?

717
00:30:38.460 --> 00:30:39.420
I know.

718
00:30:39.480 --> 00:30:40.740
And she's brought crisps.

719
00:30:40.799 --> 00:30:43.019
She's brought her hair as well.

720
00:30:43.079 --> 00:30:45.299
She's got the vodka going on, hasn't she?

721
00:30:45.359 --> 00:30:46.440
I know, I know.

722
00:30:46.500 --> 00:30:52.319
But look, it is, they're just giving, don't eat the crisps, Jimmy

723
00:30:52.319 --> 00:30:53.039
for God's sake.

724
00:30:53.400 --> 00:30:57.000
So a little note on everyone's age.

725
00:30:57.180 --> 00:30:59.940
He is 12 years older than her.

726
00:31:00.000 --> 00:31:01.799
I'm sure she's 56.

727
00:31:01.980 --> 00:31:03.180
She's 56.

728
00:31:03.420 --> 00:31:08.400
Duan and Kelly at 69 when this comes down or 68, 69.

729
00:31:08.579 --> 00:31:11.279
Can I be horrible and say that I think DeForest really looks his

730
00:31:11.279 --> 00:31:11.759
age?

731
00:31:11.819 --> 00:31:12.779
He looks really old.

732
00:31:12.839 --> 00:31:14.339
Whereas I think Jimmy looks okay.

733
00:31:14.400 --> 00:31:15.599
Generally.

734
00:31:15.660 --> 00:31:17.160
Michelle looks gorgeous though.

735
00:31:17.220 --> 00:31:19.079
She always looks gorgeous.

736
00:31:19.140 --> 00:31:20.039
She does.

737
00:31:20.099 --> 00:31:25.859
But all that fake gray in the hair, like they're trying to age her

738
00:31:25.859 --> 00:31:26.220
up a bit.

739
00:31:26.279 --> 00:31:26.700
Yeah.

740
00:31:26.700 --> 00:31:28.079
She owns it, though.

741
00:31:28.140 --> 00:31:29.759
Yeah, so she's 56.

742
00:31:30.000 --> 00:31:31.920
George and Walter are 52.

743
00:31:32.160 --> 00:31:35.700
Uh, and um, Chatner and Nemoy are 58.

744
00:31:35.940 --> 00:31:41.160
And of course, this is like Star Trek is 1969.

745
00:31:41.339 --> 00:31:42.299
This is 1989.

746
00:31:42.539 --> 00:31:46.980
This is 20 years since they were, you know, all in the TV show.

747
00:31:47.039 --> 00:31:48.180
Fair enough.

748
00:31:48.240 --> 00:31:50.400
They're trying to do, you know, they're trying to do all the

749
00:31:50.400 --> 00:31:52.680
character comedy that you had in four, right?

750
00:31:52.740 --> 00:31:54.299
that was so effective in four.

751
00:31:54.359 --> 00:31:57.720
All of the stuff with them lost in the woods is a bit like, you

752
00:31:57.720 --> 00:31:59.579
know, nuclear wessels and all of that nonsense.

753
00:31:59.640 --> 00:32:00.299
We had him for.

754
00:32:00.359 --> 00:32:02.039
And it was much better written there.

755
00:32:02.099 --> 00:32:03.119
But it is these actors.

756
00:32:03.180 --> 00:32:06.119
So Nathan, you and me talk about hangtime at all the time.

757
00:32:06.180 --> 00:32:09.480
I'm just happy to be with these characters. having a lark.

758
00:32:09.539 --> 00:32:11.759
And this is so stupid.

759
00:32:11.819 --> 00:32:15.839
Like he's blowing in the communicator to make it seem like it's a

760
00:32:15.839 --> 00:32:19.440
blizzard and look at George's reaction. as well.

761
00:32:20.940 --> 00:32:24.359
I just very much don't breathe on me, Walter, please.

762
00:32:24.960 --> 00:32:30.599
But I like, um, Michelle's reaction to like, oh, the boys.

763
00:32:30.599 --> 00:32:31.259
Come on.

764
00:32:31.319 --> 00:32:33.180
They nicked that in DS9.

765
00:32:33.420 --> 00:32:33.900
Do you remember?

766
00:32:33.960 --> 00:32:36.240
Ezri Ducks is pretending there's a static storm.

767
00:32:36.299 --> 00:32:39.299
So that's why she can't go back to the station and Cisco's like

768
00:32:39.299 --> 00:32:40.619
cut it out, old man.

769
00:32:40.680 --> 00:32:41.759
I'm not buying it at all.

770
00:32:43.799 --> 00:32:46.619
Oh, beans around the campfire.

771
00:32:46.680 --> 00:32:47.579
Are you campers?

772
00:32:47.640 --> 00:32:48.299
either of you?

773
00:32:48.359 --> 00:32:50.880
I have camped and I don't hate it.

774
00:32:51.000 --> 00:32:56.819
And even last year, about a year ago I was on a school camp, which

775
00:32:56.819 --> 00:32:57.420
was quite fun.

776
00:32:57.480 --> 00:32:59.160
My husband loves camping.

777
00:32:59.279 --> 00:33:00.000
Oh, does he?

778
00:33:00.059 --> 00:33:03.839
And so I have been forced to go camping.

779
00:33:03.900 --> 00:33:08.220
And I have to say, for 2 or 3 days, I'm actually okay, as long as

780
00:33:08.220 --> 00:33:11.400
I've got a mattress in there, like a blind mattress in that, I

781
00:33:11.400 --> 00:33:12.119
don't hate it.

782
00:33:12.180 --> 00:33:14.700
But if it was raining in that, then I would absolutely detest it.

783
00:33:14.759 --> 00:33:16.740
So I can do it in short bursts.

784
00:33:16.859 --> 00:33:21.420
I had a miserable experience, you know, a gay pride in a muddy

785
00:33:21.420 --> 00:33:25.440
field with 8 men in a very wet tent and I never did it again.

786
00:33:25.500 --> 00:33:26.640
Oh, it was terrible.

787
00:33:26.759 --> 00:33:29.400
That just sounds like you're bragging now.

788
00:33:29.460 --> 00:33:30.720
Like, oh, sorry.

789
00:33:30.960 --> 00:33:33.779
That's camping more.

790
00:33:33.839 --> 00:33:36.299
So it wasn't like what we're seeing now.

791
00:33:36.299 --> 00:33:38.519
No, there was no bourbon.

792
00:33:38.519 --> 00:33:39.180
No singing.

793
00:33:39.240 --> 00:33:41.460
I think this is very.

794
00:33:41.519 --> 00:33:42.839
I mean, this is very sweet.

795
00:33:42.900 --> 00:33:46.619
And again, you know, like D is still doing the Vulcan racism that

796
00:33:46.619 --> 00:33:48.599
he's that we love him for.

797
00:33:48.660 --> 00:33:52.380
Now he's our elderly uncle who's racist against Falcans.

798
00:33:52.619 --> 00:33:56.640
I think if you are really fans of classic series, you would really

799
00:33:56.640 --> 00:34:00.359
appreciate this, whereas I don't quite connect with it as much, and

800
00:34:00.359 --> 00:34:04.680
I just think, why am I seeing these 3 middle-aged men or elderly

801
00:34:04.680 --> 00:34:04.920
men?

802
00:34:04.980 --> 00:34:08.579
Elderly men around discussing this, I'm getting a bit like I

803
00:34:08.579 --> 00:34:11.639
appreciate it, but at times I kind of think, oh, come on.

804
00:34:11.760 --> 00:34:13.380
That is right.

805
00:34:13.440 --> 00:34:17.340
Because, I mean, I think before we started this podcast later, none

806
00:34:17.340 --> 00:34:19.320
of this really would have connected me with me.

807
00:34:19.380 --> 00:34:22.920
But now we've seen so much of them in TOS.

808
00:34:22.980 --> 00:34:23.940
Yeah.

809
00:34:24.059 --> 00:34:28.559
I mean, they're the they're the centre of TOS in a huge way.

810
00:34:28.619 --> 00:34:29.880
I understand all that.

811
00:34:29.940 --> 00:34:33.719
And I get all the Kirk Spock stuff.

812
00:34:33.780 --> 00:34:36.179
I'm less with McCoy than the other two.

813
00:34:36.300 --> 00:34:38.820
So he's just terrible racist, Todd.

814
00:34:38.880 --> 00:34:42.000
Well, I've been hearing you say this many times.

815
00:34:42.780 --> 00:34:47.159
But when he's so grumpy all the time, I just get a bit tired.

816
00:34:47.219 --> 00:34:48.179
Yeah, yeah.

817
00:34:48.239 --> 00:34:51.960
I mean, again, because he's emotional and Spock's logical, you

818
00:34:51.960 --> 00:34:53.460
know, they're kind of opposites.

819
00:34:53.579 --> 00:34:57.300
But I think this is actually really odd and strange.

820
00:34:57.360 --> 00:35:01.380
And, like, it's not very good writing, but it is paid off at the

821
00:35:01.380 --> 00:35:04.800
end, which I think is really good, where he says, I'll die alone.

822
00:35:04.800 --> 00:35:09.000
And the reason that he thinks he'll die alone is not because he

823
00:35:09.000 --> 00:35:12.119
hates himself or he thinks fate is going to be terrible to him.

824
00:35:12.179 --> 00:35:17.400
It's because he has 2 loving friends who are always with him and

825
00:35:17.400 --> 00:35:18.659
who will always look out for him.

826
00:35:18.719 --> 00:35:23.400
And never in his wildish dreams, Nathan, did he dream it would be

827
00:35:23.400 --> 00:35:25.139
on that bridge in generations?

828
00:35:25.199 --> 00:35:27.780
Theridian...

829
00:35:27.840 --> 00:35:29.760
Well, Picard's there, I think.

830
00:35:29.820 --> 00:35:31.920
And Olivia Hack is not far away.

831
00:35:32.880 --> 00:35:35.820
Malcolm McDowell is about somewhere, isn't he?

832
00:35:35.880 --> 00:35:36.840
Yeah, that's true.

833
00:35:37.079 --> 00:35:40.199
So I don't get this joke.

834
00:35:40.260 --> 00:35:42.239
So it's a marshmelon.

835
00:35:42.300 --> 00:35:49.260
I don't know why he thinks it's a marshmallow and, um, um, Bones

836
00:35:49.260 --> 00:35:50.880
goes along with it for some reason.

837
00:35:50.940 --> 00:35:52.800
So we're toasting marshmallons.

838
00:35:52.860 --> 00:35:54.900
It's not a funny joke.

839
00:35:54.960 --> 00:35:56.099
No, it's not.

840
00:35:56.099 --> 00:35:56.820
I don't know what it is.

841
00:35:56.820 --> 00:35:57.599
It's so bad.

842
00:35:57.659 --> 00:35:59.340
It could be written by the Voyager riots.

843
00:35:59.940 --> 00:36:02.280
Well, I like what you've just said.

844
00:36:02.340 --> 00:36:05.880
But yes, like, I mean, I think some of the humour in this just

845
00:36:05.880 --> 00:36:06.719
doesn't...

846
00:36:06.780 --> 00:36:08.519
They want it to be funny, but it just doesn't land.

847
00:36:08.579 --> 00:36:12.000
But, you know, if we look at where we're up to so far in it, like

848
00:36:12.000 --> 00:36:14.760
you know, we've had character moments with all parts of the crew

849
00:36:14.760 --> 00:36:17.699
and these guys are hanging out, like, it's not a bad thing.

850
00:36:17.760 --> 00:36:21.900
And part of the thing is too, because I think Star Trek is

851
00:36:21.900 --> 00:36:25.980
primarily a TV series or a series of TV series.

852
00:36:26.039 --> 00:36:28.739
We're about to go row row.

853
00:36:28.739 --> 00:36:29.519
This is tedious.

854
00:36:29.639 --> 00:36:33.719
So I think it's a very mid, like it's a very boring choice.

855
00:36:33.780 --> 00:36:36.539
Like it's a song that small children seeing and stuff.

856
00:36:36.599 --> 00:36:40.559
But I just think the way they sing it here and they hardly get

857
00:36:40.559 --> 00:36:43.860
through it and they can't get, you know, Spock isn't into it.

858
00:36:43.920 --> 00:36:47.880
And then at the end, when he starts playing it, He's got that, you

859
00:36:47.880 --> 00:36:48.840
know, the falcon heart.

860
00:36:48.840 --> 00:36:51.780
And he starts playing it and I just thought, oh, this is

861
00:36:51.780 --> 00:36:52.380
adorable.

862
00:36:52.440 --> 00:36:55.440
And this is, this becomes about their relationship.

863
00:36:55.500 --> 00:36:58.619
It's these 3 old men sitting around a fire drinking bourbon and

864
00:36:58.619 --> 00:37:00.840
singing, teaching Spock to sing.

865
00:37:00.900 --> 00:37:01.860
Okay.

866
00:37:01.920 --> 00:37:03.960
Okay, I take your point, Nathan.

867
00:37:04.019 --> 00:37:07.800
We could depart, Captain, racist, sing this song, dude.

868
00:37:07.800 --> 00:37:09.420
Yeah, yeah. because I did mention that.

869
00:37:09.480 --> 00:37:10.380
Yeah, yeah.

870
00:37:10.440 --> 00:37:11.280
It could have been much worse.

871
00:37:11.400 --> 00:37:12.239
Oh, really?

872
00:37:12.239 --> 00:37:14.400
Listen to that, you green blooded Vulcan.

873
00:37:14.460 --> 00:37:16.260
He's such a racist.

874
00:37:18.599 --> 00:37:22.800
But it's the fact that they're just still annoying each other in

875
00:37:22.800 --> 00:37:28.199
the same way. you know, like 20 years later is what's adorable

876
00:37:28.199 --> 00:37:28.679
about it.

877
00:37:29.159 --> 00:37:34.440
It is adorable, but we are 23 minutes into this movie now, and

878
00:37:34.440 --> 00:37:36.780
that's the other thing. hasn't turned up, no.

879
00:37:36.840 --> 00:37:38.579
So I'm laughing.

880
00:37:38.639 --> 00:37:41.039
I liked him before he died or whatever.

881
00:37:41.039 --> 00:37:42.659
It's much less irritating.

882
00:37:43.079 --> 00:37:44.880
It's so great.

883
00:37:44.940 --> 00:37:48.960
I love them needling each other when they're like calling each

884
00:37:48.960 --> 00:37:52.079
other gym and captain and gym and stuff, which is all just sort of

885
00:37:52.079 --> 00:37:53.340
hilarious nonsense.

886
00:37:53.400 --> 00:37:57.599
And then the, you know, good night, good night, captain, good

887
00:37:57.599 --> 00:37:58.260
night, sport.

888
00:37:58.320 --> 00:37:59.159
Good night, doctor.

889
00:37:59.219 --> 00:38:01.860
You know, like all of that is...

890
00:38:01.920 --> 00:38:03.239
Yeah, yeah, yeah, apparently.

891
00:38:03.780 --> 00:38:06.300
Where's Janeway and Chakotay?

892
00:38:06.360 --> 00:38:07.380
I'm not sure.

893
00:38:07.380 --> 00:38:10.440
This is actually, look, they're going to sleep, for God's sake.

894
00:38:10.500 --> 00:38:11.340
We're in a movie.

895
00:38:11.400 --> 00:38:12.900
I mean what's happening?

896
00:38:13.619 --> 00:38:15.840
Well, that's what I'm saying.

897
00:38:15.900 --> 00:38:19.139
Like, it's a TV show and during the...

898
00:38:19.139 --> 00:38:19.980
Sorry, Nathan.

899
00:38:20.039 --> 00:38:21.659
Look at that model shot or that probe.

900
00:38:21.719 --> 00:38:25.619
I mean, you can actually see them moving it one inch at a time.

901
00:38:25.679 --> 00:38:26.219
Va.

902
00:38:26.280 --> 00:38:27.059
Isn't it?

903
00:38:27.119 --> 00:38:28.380
Like it's a Voyager probe.

904
00:38:28.440 --> 00:38:29.820
It's the other Voyager probe.

905
00:38:29.880 --> 00:38:31.980
The 1st one caused the 1st film.

906
00:38:32.039 --> 00:38:34.739
That must be Voyager 2 causing this 5th film.

907
00:38:34.800 --> 00:38:39.119
This Klingon, he looks a bit like me, aged 16, you know, that's

908
00:38:39.119 --> 00:38:40.559
all what I trust a bit like.

909
00:38:40.679 --> 00:38:43.079
He's quite he's quite fit.

910
00:38:43.139 --> 00:38:45.480
Apparently they found him playing ping-pong on a beach.

911
00:38:47.219 --> 00:38:49.920
Not for his acting prowess, then.

912
00:38:49.980 --> 00:38:51.179
Oh, yeah.

913
00:38:51.239 --> 00:38:54.360
Yeah, but for his physique and then they obviously he had to

914
00:38:54.360 --> 00:38:57.179
audition and screen test and he got the wrong.

915
00:38:57.239 --> 00:38:58.139
He's 25.

916
00:38:58.320 --> 00:38:59.039
Oh really?

917
00:38:59.099 --> 00:38:59.820
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

918
00:38:59.880 --> 00:39:01.019
So he's younger than everyone.

919
00:39:01.380 --> 00:39:05.760
Since they've built that enormous periscope that he's got there.

920
00:39:05.820 --> 00:39:07.500
I mean, us camp as well, isn't it?

921
00:39:07.559 --> 00:39:10.920
Why don't they use that in all future Klingon episodes?

922
00:39:10.980 --> 00:39:12.659
It's such a great prop to have.

923
00:39:12.719 --> 00:39:14.880
Oh, look at these effects.

924
00:39:15.780 --> 00:39:18.059
It's so bad.

925
00:39:18.119 --> 00:39:22.920
Like that's just miserable. she's very proud of that.

926
00:39:22.980 --> 00:39:28.380
So this woman, the character is called Vixis.

927
00:39:28.380 --> 00:39:31.440
Vixis, you say?

928
00:39:31.440 --> 00:39:32.519
Vixis.

929
00:39:32.519 --> 00:39:38.519
And she is played by a woman called Spice Williams, who is a stunt

930
00:39:38.519 --> 00:39:42.599
performer and stunt arranger.

931
00:39:42.659 --> 00:39:45.360
And she's spice, Nathan.

932
00:39:45.420 --> 00:39:46.619
Spice Williams.

933
00:39:46.679 --> 00:39:52.800
But she is also in the Deep Space 9 series one, episode Dax, where

934
00:39:52.800 --> 00:39:58.139
she plays a claystron officer who tries to abduct Jadzia.

935
00:39:58.199 --> 00:39:59.280
Oh, yeah.

936
00:39:59.400 --> 00:40:01.739
Yeah, that's a great sequence actually.

937
00:40:01.800 --> 00:40:03.420
Yeah, because she's a large woman.

938
00:40:03.539 --> 00:40:04.260
Do you know what I mean?

939
00:40:04.320 --> 00:40:05.519
Like a large intimidating woman.

940
00:40:05.579 --> 00:40:06.360
We get powerful.

941
00:40:06.420 --> 00:40:09.840
I think do we get George pretending to admire her muscles?

942
00:40:10.440 --> 00:40:16.500
Oh, no, it's just like the Encounters of the Third Kind.

943
00:40:16.559 --> 00:40:17.579
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it is a bit.

944
00:40:17.639 --> 00:40:18.239
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

945
00:40:18.420 --> 00:40:22.260
Well, even the way that they realised a shuttle, like where you

946
00:40:22.260 --> 00:40:23.699
don't bring the shuttle modelled here.

947
00:40:23.760 --> 00:40:25.860
We just shine a big lie behind the shell.

948
00:40:25.980 --> 00:40:27.480
There must have been a problem here, right?

949
00:40:27.539 --> 00:40:29.099
These are such tight shots.

950
00:40:29.159 --> 00:40:33.599
You can't really see what they're trying to show you.

951
00:40:33.659 --> 00:40:34.800
Right?

952
00:40:34.800 --> 00:40:35.940
They don't see the shuttles.

953
00:40:36.000 --> 00:40:37.079
Do they not have the shuttle?

954
00:40:37.139 --> 00:40:37.980
Have they just gone?

955
00:40:37.980 --> 00:40:39.239
No, they don't have the shot.

956
00:40:39.360 --> 00:40:43.619
I don't think they're on location either, I think. and go.

957
00:40:43.679 --> 00:40:45.059
But are they in the studio?

958
00:40:45.179 --> 00:40:46.739
At night?

959
00:40:46.800 --> 00:40:50.219
Yeah, and they don't have time to erect the tree, the tops of the

960
00:40:50.219 --> 00:40:52.260
tree, so everything's really sharply dark.

961
00:40:52.320 --> 00:40:52.980
Is that right?

962
00:40:53.039 --> 00:40:54.300
Yeah, yeah, I think so.

963
00:40:54.659 --> 00:40:59.699
I like the fact that, you know, um, Vixa, Spice, you know, the

964
00:40:59.699 --> 00:41:02.159
fact that there's following the old Trek tradition that you don't

965
00:41:02.159 --> 00:41:06.059
know whether the actor is the character or not, because they very

966
00:41:06.059 --> 00:41:09.300
often have, there's more bizarre names than the characters, don't

967
00:41:09.300 --> 00:41:09.960
they, in Star Trek?

968
00:41:10.019 --> 00:41:13.980
I think this was hilarious that they're in a shuttle looking at

969
00:41:13.980 --> 00:41:18.840
the enterprise for like, you know, a couple of minutes here, and

970
00:41:18.840 --> 00:41:24.900
yet they spend in the 1st movie half an hour, just circling slowly

971
00:41:24.900 --> 00:41:26.340
around the shuttle, admiring it.

972
00:41:26.400 --> 00:41:27.000
Yeah.

973
00:41:27.000 --> 00:41:29.880
Remember the scene in lower decks where they do that, where

974
00:41:29.880 --> 00:41:33.360
they're approaching the Cerritos, and everyone's just looking in

975
00:41:33.360 --> 00:41:37.019
awe at the, at how beautiful it is outside the shutter window

976
00:41:37.019 --> 00:41:40.500
while the hero lower decks music plays. wonderful style.

977
00:41:40.559 --> 00:41:44.519
It's funnier when they're going around DS 9. go around a few more

978
00:41:44.519 --> 00:41:44.820
times.

979
00:41:44.880 --> 00:41:45.360
Come on.

980
00:41:47.280 --> 00:41:52.320
I mean, to be fair, that is a great point, I said this is slow, but

981
00:41:52.320 --> 00:41:54.480
it's in no way as slow as the motion picture.

982
00:41:54.539 --> 00:41:58.679
But again here with the whole landing of the shuttle and that.

983
00:41:58.800 --> 00:42:01.559
I think I actually like this sequence. again, it's a practical

984
00:42:01.559 --> 00:42:02.039
prop.

985
00:42:02.099 --> 00:42:06.239
Like, when you had Shatna falling down to the bottom of the

986
00:42:06.239 --> 00:42:09.539
mountain, right at the end, it was practical and it actually looks

987
00:42:09.539 --> 00:42:11.579
it's, I think it's well directed and it looks good.

988
00:42:11.639 --> 00:42:12.780
I mean, look at this.

989
00:42:12.840 --> 00:42:15.840
You know, the actor's in that big giant Galileo thing that's

990
00:42:15.840 --> 00:42:17.400
landing that it's beautifully designed.

991
00:42:17.460 --> 00:42:20.760
It's a big update on the ones that we had 20 years ago in the

992
00:42:20.760 --> 00:42:21.000
show.

993
00:42:21.059 --> 00:42:23.039
I have got 30000000 though.

994
00:42:23.099 --> 00:42:26.460
I mean, I would expect special effects like that.

995
00:42:26.639 --> 00:42:29.400
But this does make it feel like a movie.

996
00:42:29.460 --> 00:42:30.300
Do you know what I mean?

997
00:42:30.360 --> 00:42:31.559
Like you've got much bigger studio.

998
00:42:31.619 --> 00:42:34.679
Like that's a big studio space with those big prop shuttles in

999
00:42:34.679 --> 00:42:34.920
it.

1000
00:42:34.980 --> 00:42:36.480
You know, it's pretty good, I think.

1001
00:42:36.539 --> 00:42:40.139
The thing that really stands out, used TNG too, yeah?

1002
00:42:40.199 --> 00:42:43.260
is the lighting, just the lighting in these movies. is just so

1003
00:42:43.260 --> 00:42:45.719
superior to anything they're doing on TV at this point.

1004
00:42:45.780 --> 00:42:51.420
Well, TNG's lighting in season one and 2 is pretty, is better than

1005
00:42:51.420 --> 00:42:56.340
it ends up being, they go with that very, you know, very big key

1006
00:42:56.340 --> 00:43:00.000
light on everything where there's no shadows or black in the frame

1007
00:43:00.000 --> 00:43:01.320
ever, you know?

1008
00:43:01.380 --> 00:43:05.039
We're learning, Tom, but they...

1009
00:43:05.099 --> 00:43:07.800
I do love this Yeah, I think the door stuff.

1010
00:43:07.860 --> 00:43:08.519
I think it's just.

1011
00:43:08.579 --> 00:43:13.260
I love the fact that, you know, the ship isn't all operational.

1012
00:43:13.320 --> 00:43:15.179
Now, this woman, does she get any lines at all?

1013
00:43:15.239 --> 00:43:16.199
She says a bun head.

1014
00:43:16.260 --> 00:43:18.420
That is that Shatner's daughter.

1015
00:43:18.480 --> 00:43:19.139
Oh wow.

1016
00:43:19.260 --> 00:43:20.159
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1017
00:43:20.219 --> 00:43:23.039
So that's Shatner's daughter handing Shatner his uniform.

1018
00:43:23.099 --> 00:43:25.139
She actually writes the book.

1019
00:43:25.199 --> 00:43:26.099
I was telling you about.

1020
00:43:26.219 --> 00:43:29.940
So it is Shatner's account, but as told by her.

1021
00:43:30.420 --> 00:43:35.579
There's wonderful stories in that book of the 1st screening of the

1022
00:43:35.579 --> 00:43:40.260
film before they did all the reshoes and everyone just going, oh

1023
00:43:40.260 --> 00:43:40.800
what have we done?

1024
00:43:42.239 --> 00:43:43.920
Terrible.

1025
00:43:43.980 --> 00:43:47.099
But they did change a lot and they were very happy.

1026
00:43:47.159 --> 00:43:51.239
Apparently he eventually he learned to love his own movie

1027
00:43:51.239 --> 00:43:52.139
Shatner.

1028
00:43:52.199 --> 00:43:53.340
So at least he had a good time.

1029
00:43:53.400 --> 00:44:00.000
So this is Rear Admiral Bob on the screen. and Rear Admiral Bob is

1030
00:44:00.000 --> 00:44:05.039
played by Harv Bennett, the producer.

1031
00:44:05.099 --> 00:44:12.360
And this is his last Star Trek film because it goes so badly that

1032
00:44:12.360 --> 00:44:15.900
someone else gets the producer's job for six.

1033
00:44:15.960 --> 00:44:19.019
But he's been here since two.

1034
00:44:19.079 --> 00:44:24.300
So he was the producer on that incredible trilogy of Star Trek

1035
00:44:24.300 --> 00:44:25.019
films.

1036
00:44:25.079 --> 00:44:27.659
I was reading that he didn't want to do this.

1037
00:44:27.719 --> 00:44:32.820
Um, and that his relationship with Numoya deteriorated in four and

1038
00:44:32.820 --> 00:44:36.659
he was really unsure about doing this and then he did it and yeah

1039
00:44:36.659 --> 00:44:39.300
he regretted it. bless him.

1040
00:44:40.739 --> 00:44:45.599
I have to say this, then I think that William Shatner actually

1041
00:44:45.599 --> 00:44:48.840
looks pretty fit here, like, you know, I'm comparing him to the

1042
00:44:48.840 --> 00:44:54.659
rest of the cast, um, well, he's the same age as Nemoy and I think

1043
00:44:54.659 --> 00:44:55.739
Nemoy looks older.

1044
00:44:55.800 --> 00:44:56.460
He does.

1045
00:44:56.519 --> 00:45:00.059
And the 2 younger ones don't look necessarily younger than him.

1046
00:45:00.119 --> 00:45:02.219
Yeah, especially Chekhov.

1047
00:45:02.280 --> 00:45:05.820
And I'm sorry, this is not a great close-up on McCoy.

1048
00:45:05.880 --> 00:45:06.960
McCoy looks quite odd.

1049
00:45:07.019 --> 00:45:09.719
No, you actually, that was well timed, you saying that.

1050
00:45:09.780 --> 00:45:12.599
That was a wacking great close up on De Forrest.

1051
00:45:12.659 --> 00:45:14.039
Well, he's 70, you know?

1052
00:45:14.099 --> 00:45:15.300
He was like, he's 70.

1053
00:45:15.420 --> 00:45:19.980
So we're just getting the mission now. and we're 30 minutes into

1054
00:45:19.980 --> 00:45:20.460
the movie.

1055
00:45:20.579 --> 00:45:22.679
And the mission isn't even the thing.

1056
00:45:22.739 --> 00:45:23.460
Do you know what I mean?

1057
00:45:23.579 --> 00:45:25.860
Like the mission's not the actual interesting thing.

1058
00:45:25.920 --> 00:45:29.099
The thing is that we've got a guy who is searching for God.

1059
00:45:29.159 --> 00:45:30.960
And when do we learn about that?

1060
00:45:31.019 --> 00:45:35.159
You know, like an hour in, it's so leisurely.

1061
00:45:35.219 --> 00:45:39.900
And yes, it's hang time, but, but it is also really boring.

1062
00:45:39.960 --> 00:45:41.639
It means there's just not much easy.

1063
00:45:41.699 --> 00:45:43.739
Did you see that close-up of the Klingon ship there?

1064
00:45:43.800 --> 00:45:46.019
So they weren't moving the camera.

1065
00:45:46.079 --> 00:45:47.400
They were moving the model.

1066
00:45:47.460 --> 00:45:48.840
Are you sure?

1067
00:45:49.679 --> 00:45:51.480
Well, it looks like it.

1068
00:45:51.599 --> 00:45:54.719
Yeah, I know, but it looks sometimes that's how they do it.

1069
00:45:54.840 --> 00:45:58.019
You know, they're not moving the enterprise model most of the

1070
00:45:58.019 --> 00:45:58.199
time.

1071
00:45:58.260 --> 00:46:01.199
Because if you were moving the camera, you'd go along the body

1072
00:46:01.199 --> 00:46:01.440
right?

1073
00:46:01.500 --> 00:46:03.539
Whereas it was just, it was spinning.

1074
00:46:03.599 --> 00:46:05.159
The shit was just spinning.

1075
00:46:05.219 --> 00:46:05.760
Oh, okay.

1076
00:46:05.820 --> 00:46:06.659
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1077
00:46:06.780 --> 00:46:09.960
Yeah, see, he's good looking, this Klingon, isn't he?

1078
00:46:10.440 --> 00:46:14.400
That, and like a cartoon, like the, what the hell is that?

1079
00:46:14.460 --> 00:46:15.119
That's terrible.

1080
00:46:15.179 --> 00:46:17.699
It looked a bit like the animated series, didn't it?

1081
00:46:17.760 --> 00:46:18.900
Didn't at the start of that.

1082
00:46:18.960 --> 00:46:22.619
You could just see the ship sort of zoom across in a way.

1083
00:46:22.679 --> 00:46:24.360
This is wonderful, isn't it?

1084
00:46:24.420 --> 00:46:28.019
He's about to do a captain's log, but the captain's log. doesn't

1085
00:46:28.019 --> 00:46:31.500
work and a thing buoys off it and he has to close it and he

1086
00:46:31.500 --> 00:46:32.940
doesn't get to do his captain's log.

1087
00:46:33.000 --> 00:46:37.139
Again, we've had some nice little comedy moments and moments with

1088
00:46:37.139 --> 00:46:42.239
you know, everybody, but you need some tension and pace.

1089
00:46:42.360 --> 00:46:45.119
And then intercut with that and we're not getting it.

1090
00:46:45.179 --> 00:46:46.739
It's just too leisurely.

1091
00:46:46.800 --> 00:46:49.860
That's what 6 gets so right, isn't it?

1092
00:46:49.920 --> 00:46:52.679
Is there's that whole plot going on on the ship whilst they're

1093
00:46:52.679 --> 00:46:56.159
doing comedy moments and the blood hanging in the air and who's

1094
00:46:56.159 --> 00:46:59.460
the traitor and all of that's going on whilst we're having fun.

1095
00:46:59.519 --> 00:47:02.880
But I mean, it starts with the moon exploding. you know, and it

1096
00:47:02.880 --> 00:47:06.900
starts and it's very clearly going to be about Chernobyl and the

1097
00:47:06.900 --> 00:47:08.519
fall of the Soviet Empire and stuff.

1098
00:47:08.579 --> 00:47:10.380
So it's about something.

1099
00:47:10.440 --> 00:47:12.300
We know it's about something straight away.

1100
00:47:12.360 --> 00:47:14.219
We don't know what this film's about. yet.

1101
00:47:14.519 --> 00:47:19.199
I will say, though, the 2nd they beam down and we're having an

1102
00:47:19.199 --> 00:47:22.619
adventure on the planet and they're trying to rescue all the

1103
00:47:22.619 --> 00:47:26.340
people and Ahura's doing her naked and all of that stuff and them

1104
00:47:26.340 --> 00:47:27.719
getting in there in the action.

1105
00:47:27.780 --> 00:47:30.659
I was like, yeah, okay, this has started moving now.

1106
00:47:30.719 --> 00:47:31.380
We've arrived.

1107
00:47:31.440 --> 00:47:32.340
Yeah.

1108
00:47:32.400 --> 00:47:34.800
But again, that's just a big set piece, though, isn't it?

1109
00:47:34.860 --> 00:47:36.239
We'll get to it.

1110
00:47:36.300 --> 00:47:37.260
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1111
00:47:37.320 --> 00:47:37.980
Yeah, yeah.

1112
00:47:38.039 --> 00:47:39.659
And, wow.

1113
00:47:39.719 --> 00:47:44.099
I mean, this stuff, I think, it seems very kind of ripped from the

1114
00:47:44.099 --> 00:47:44.760
headlines.

1115
00:47:44.820 --> 00:47:48.599
We've had hostages and stuff like that, I guess.

1116
00:47:48.659 --> 00:47:49.079
I don't know.

1117
00:47:49.860 --> 00:47:53.579
But isn't it always the way that, you know, somebody has to

1118
00:47:53.579 --> 00:47:57.360
recognise the villain and not really say anything about it?

1119
00:47:57.420 --> 00:48:01.019
I mean, obviously it's going to be Spock here.

1120
00:48:01.079 --> 00:48:01.860
Yeah.

1121
00:48:01.920 --> 00:48:02.519
Yeah.

1122
00:48:02.579 --> 00:48:06.059
But look how, look how old Spock looks compared to Shatner.

1123
00:48:06.119 --> 00:48:09.780
It is the choice between fat and old that we're all eventually

1124
00:48:09.780 --> 00:48:10.860
faced with, I think.

1125
00:48:10.920 --> 00:48:13.320
You either look like Nathan.

1126
00:48:13.380 --> 00:48:16.199
You can sort of smooth out the wrinkles.

1127
00:48:16.260 --> 00:48:18.539
I mean, look at the light effect I've got today, look.

1128
00:48:18.599 --> 00:48:21.960
You can smooth out the wrinkles with a good lighting designer.

1129
00:48:22.019 --> 00:48:24.599
Maybe they just weren't earning their money.

1130
00:48:24.719 --> 00:48:26.039
So where are we now?

1131
00:48:26.099 --> 00:48:28.440
So this, I wondered that.

1132
00:48:28.500 --> 00:48:30.059
I kind of went, what is this room?

1133
00:48:30.179 --> 00:48:31.260
Is this the captain's ready room?

1134
00:48:31.320 --> 00:48:31.980
Is it the lounge?

1135
00:48:32.039 --> 00:48:33.119
Why have we got this big wheel?

1136
00:48:33.179 --> 00:48:37.199
I think it's the lounge and I think the original plan was for it

1137
00:48:37.199 --> 00:48:42.539
to be in the same place that 10 forward is on the Enterprise. on

1138
00:48:42.539 --> 00:48:46.440
the Enterprise D. And there was even some talk about getting the

1139
00:48:46.440 --> 00:48:49.679
um, like amending the model.

1140
00:48:49.739 --> 00:48:52.559
So it had that big window on the front, but it doesn't.

1141
00:48:52.619 --> 00:48:57.059
And so this is the lounge, so it is sort of like 10 forward, I

1142
00:48:57.059 --> 00:48:58.320
guess, but not a bar.

1143
00:48:58.380 --> 00:49:00.119
I think it's a nice space.

1144
00:49:00.179 --> 00:49:04.019
That's a very ostentatious bit of decoration though, that wheel.

1145
00:49:04.739 --> 00:49:07.739
But the whole thing with all the wood is like an old sailing

1146
00:49:07.739 --> 00:49:08.039
ship.

1147
00:49:08.099 --> 00:49:08.760
Yeah, yeah.

1148
00:49:08.880 --> 00:49:13.559
And it has to bold to go where no one has gone before on a plaque

1149
00:49:13.559 --> 00:49:13.800
on it.

1150
00:49:13.860 --> 00:49:17.219
Sorry to be niche, but were you getting Doctor Who Enlightenment

1151
00:49:17.219 --> 00:49:17.639
vibes?

1152
00:49:17.639 --> 00:49:18.420
Oh, maybe.

1153
00:49:18.420 --> 00:49:19.860
Styles there.

1154
00:49:19.920 --> 00:49:21.539
Yeah, yeah, certainly.

1155
00:49:21.659 --> 00:49:25.619
So this is some valuable exposition about cybok.

1156
00:49:27.300 --> 00:49:29.099
Animal passion.

1157
00:49:29.159 --> 00:49:30.360
Of course, it's his half brother.

1158
00:49:30.420 --> 00:49:32.460
It couldn't just be another Vulcan could it?

1159
00:49:32.519 --> 00:49:33.539
No, that's right.

1160
00:49:33.599 --> 00:49:36.119
But it's like, you never tell me you heard a brother before.

1161
00:49:36.179 --> 00:49:39.360
And then it's kind of like, and he's thinking to himself, yeah.

1162
00:49:39.480 --> 00:49:42.719
And I'm not allowed to tell you about my sister either.

1163
00:49:42.900 --> 00:49:45.300
Um, yeah.

1164
00:49:45.360 --> 00:49:49.260
Yeah, he's got a lot of hidden siblings, that one.

1165
00:49:49.320 --> 00:49:55.980
I'm just looking at the lighting on the faces and very favourable

1166
00:49:55.980 --> 00:49:57.300
for William there.

1167
00:49:57.360 --> 00:49:58.440
Yeah, yeah.

1168
00:49:58.500 --> 00:50:01.260
Well, that's right. giving himself some excellent hero lighting.

1169
00:50:01.320 --> 00:50:02.820
I'm going to be horrible.

1170
00:50:02.880 --> 00:50:05.159
He knows where the camera is on me, will you?

1171
00:50:05.219 --> 00:50:08.940
Can I be a bit horrible about, yeah, go on, the bell bottoms?

1172
00:50:09.000 --> 00:50:10.320
Oh, you don't like the?

1173
00:50:10.380 --> 00:50:10.679
No.

1174
00:50:10.739 --> 00:50:11.579
No, I don't.

1175
00:50:11.639 --> 00:50:15.719
So Picard adopts the bell bottoms in series five.

1176
00:50:15.780 --> 00:50:21.659
Remember his special Picard velour outfit or whatever it is, suede

1177
00:50:21.659 --> 00:50:23.639
his suede jacket, which has the power bottoms.

1178
00:50:23.699 --> 00:50:25.019
What episode is that in?

1179
00:50:25.079 --> 00:50:28.320
In, like, quite a few episodes of series five.

1180
00:50:28.380 --> 00:50:32.579
He's got the special his own special uniform.

1181
00:50:32.639 --> 00:50:35.519
I mean, they're naval, so it's a thing.

1182
00:50:36.480 --> 00:50:43.019
So, Jimmy's only been in one scene so far with the main cast when

1183
00:50:43.019 --> 00:50:48.480
they arrived on to the Enterprise and the Dock, and now he's just

1184
00:50:48.480 --> 00:50:50.219
doing all of his scenes by himself.

1185
00:50:50.280 --> 00:50:52.199
Yeah, he steals the movie, right?

1186
00:50:52.260 --> 00:50:54.360
The bit where he gets knocked out.

1187
00:50:54.420 --> 00:50:57.900
I bet I got the biggest laugh in the theatre. undoubtedly, I would

1188
00:50:57.900 --> 00:50:58.260
think so.

1189
00:50:58.320 --> 00:51:00.539
Chekhov has said nothing for agents.

1190
00:51:00.599 --> 00:51:02.760
I mean, look at the scale here.

1191
00:51:02.820 --> 00:51:04.860
The shuttle, the planet and the moon.

1192
00:51:04.920 --> 00:51:07.320
It's just all the wrong sky.

1193
00:51:07.380 --> 00:51:09.059
It's really bad.

1194
00:51:09.119 --> 00:51:11.039
Now we're doing aliens.

1195
00:51:11.099 --> 00:51:15.179
I mean, because this, you know, like...

1196
00:51:16.260 --> 00:51:21.480
Well, a drop ship, but we've turned it into, you know, it doesn't

1197
00:51:21.480 --> 00:51:25.320
look like the Galileo from Galileo 7.

1198
00:51:25.380 --> 00:51:26.940
It looks like a drop sheep.

1199
00:51:27.000 --> 00:51:29.760
I mean, that, genuine, the shuttle coming in.

1200
00:51:29.820 --> 00:51:30.840
Oh, they look at that.

1201
00:51:30.840 --> 00:51:33.360
Oh, that's terrible.

1202
00:51:34.139 --> 00:51:35.699
What is this?

1203
00:51:35.760 --> 00:51:39.659
Is this out of some sort of video game from 1984?

1204
00:51:39.719 --> 00:51:40.679
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1205
00:51:40.739 --> 00:51:43.920
But it also, I think it also really kind of does look like the

1206
00:51:43.920 --> 00:51:46.920
animated series. you know, in all sorts of ways.

1207
00:51:46.980 --> 00:51:50.219
The shuttle coming in looked like Harry Howell sort of stopped

1208
00:51:50.219 --> 00:51:51.059
motion animation.

1209
00:51:51.119 --> 00:51:52.980
I mean, it just looks terrible.

1210
00:51:53.039 --> 00:51:57.000
I do like this stuff with Captain Jakov.

1211
00:51:57.059 --> 00:51:57.719
Yeah.

1212
00:51:58.199 --> 00:52:01.980
Anything with the actors, I'm kind of all right.

1213
00:52:02.099 --> 00:52:05.039
And again, we're cutting to the actual physical prop landing.

1214
00:52:05.039 --> 00:52:06.179
That looks good.

1215
00:52:06.239 --> 00:52:07.260
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1216
00:52:07.320 --> 00:52:07.739
Yep.

1217
00:52:07.800 --> 00:52:08.400
Does look good.

1218
00:52:08.460 --> 00:52:11.519
Again, though, I think they're moving the prop rather than the

1219
00:52:11.519 --> 00:52:11.880
camera.

1220
00:52:11.940 --> 00:52:14.460
Yeah, yeah, I think they are.

1221
00:52:14.519 --> 00:52:18.840
I think, I mean, I think that prop has to end up on Star Trek the

1222
00:52:18.840 --> 00:52:20.340
Next Generation at some point, surely.

1223
00:52:20.400 --> 00:52:21.840
That shuttle, surely.

1224
00:52:21.960 --> 00:52:22.440
Yeah.

1225
00:52:22.500 --> 00:52:23.159
Yeah.

1226
00:52:23.219 --> 00:52:28.139
I don't think you see the shuttle in TNG until, you know, the one

1227
00:52:28.139 --> 00:52:30.599
you hate with the 2 Captain Picard in season two.

1228
00:52:30.659 --> 00:52:32.760
E squared or something?

1229
00:52:32.820 --> 00:52:34.380
Yeah, that one.

1230
00:52:34.440 --> 00:52:35.460
Yeah, something like that.

1231
00:52:35.519 --> 00:52:36.659
Is it E squared?

1232
00:52:36.719 --> 00:52:38.880
I can't remember How many minutes are we into this movie?

1233
00:52:38.940 --> 00:52:40.559
Oh let's have a look.

1234
00:52:40.619 --> 00:52:43.199
We haven't had a single bit of action, yeah?

1235
00:52:43.440 --> 00:52:46.199
Well, 38 minutes.

1236
00:52:46.380 --> 00:52:48.659
And there's been no deadly danger.

1237
00:52:48.719 --> 00:52:52.139
No, no, we're just, now we're getting ready.

1238
00:52:52.199 --> 00:52:53.699
Oh, this...

1239
00:52:53.699 --> 00:52:57.239
Well, no, the danger here is like, you know, will Cybox survive

1240
00:52:57.239 --> 00:52:59.159
this attack on Paradise City?

1241
00:53:00.059 --> 00:53:02.219
Why would we care about that?

1242
00:53:02.519 --> 00:53:06.840
So they've got to steal some of the horses and the horses have

1243
00:53:06.840 --> 00:53:10.199
been dressed in the great Star Trek tradition.

1244
00:53:10.260 --> 00:53:13.920
They are dressed up with they give it little horse.

1245
00:53:13.920 --> 00:53:15.480
Here we go.

1246
00:53:21.420 --> 00:53:25.380
That moon behind her is bloody enormous, isn't it?

1247
00:53:25.440 --> 00:53:26.159
Yeah, yeah.

1248
00:53:26.219 --> 00:53:27.480
It's down near the horizon.

1249
00:53:27.539 --> 00:53:28.559
Is she naked?

1250
00:53:29.519 --> 00:53:31.679
So what's she using it?

1251
00:53:31.739 --> 00:53:33.900
Is it sort of like bird feathers?

1252
00:53:33.960 --> 00:53:34.679
Is that what she's got?

1253
00:53:34.739 --> 00:53:35.219
I don't know.

1254
00:53:35.280 --> 00:53:36.599
I thought they were big palm trees.

1255
00:53:36.659 --> 00:53:39.659
She is so alluring to the locals.

1256
00:53:40.500 --> 00:53:42.900
I mean, just the locals told.

1257
00:53:42.960 --> 00:53:44.400
It's hilarious.

1258
00:53:45.360 --> 00:53:47.460
Like she's 56.

1259
00:53:47.639 --> 00:53:48.300
She looks great.

1260
00:53:48.360 --> 00:53:53.159
I mean, and I've been, I've seen a 56 year old. take a look at

1261
00:53:53.159 --> 00:53:54.059
those lotals, all right?

1262
00:53:54.119 --> 00:53:55.199
They look terrible.

1263
00:53:57.239 --> 00:54:01.380
Is she trying to outdo like Tina Turner from Beyond the Thunder?

1264
00:54:01.500 --> 00:54:04.320
Oh, possibly, but...

1265
00:54:04.380 --> 00:54:06.239
It's a very odd dance she's doing.

1266
00:54:06.300 --> 00:54:08.039
It's a bit like the Tarantella, isn't it?

1267
00:54:08.099 --> 00:54:09.300
what she's doing.

1268
00:54:09.420 --> 00:54:11.280
I mean, good honour.

1269
00:54:11.820 --> 00:54:12.420
Hello, boys.

1270
00:54:13.920 --> 00:54:15.659
It is a moment.

1271
00:54:15.840 --> 00:54:19.679
I've always wanted to play to captive audience. good for you Well

1272
00:54:19.679 --> 00:54:26.340
someone did, I did read someone say that, oh, I think I might have

1273
00:54:26.340 --> 00:54:29.039
been on Jamma's review site and I was reading the comment thread

1274
00:54:29.039 --> 00:54:32.699
on this, and someone said that they had heard Michelle at a

1275
00:54:32.699 --> 00:54:35.880
convention say how much she loved doing that. scene.

1276
00:54:35.940 --> 00:54:37.500
So go for a go.

1277
00:54:37.559 --> 00:54:38.460
I'm sure she did.

1278
00:54:38.519 --> 00:54:40.139
Oh, she got something to do, Nathan.

1279
00:54:40.199 --> 00:54:42.780
Another thing we noticed about TOS is she doesn't do a lot.

1280
00:54:42.840 --> 00:54:44.820
No, she just answers the phones, really.

1281
00:54:45.840 --> 00:54:50.280
Imagine if, saying, I don't know, Gates McFanon got to do that in

1282
00:54:50.280 --> 00:54:51.480
a TNG movie.

1283
00:54:52.019 --> 00:54:53.820
I'd watch that.

1284
00:54:55.260 --> 00:54:57.599
Are they just got to walk in?

1285
00:54:57.659 --> 00:54:59.280
Like, no one seems to be fighting here.

1286
00:54:59.340 --> 00:55:03.239
No, because they're pretending to be the lookouts that they've

1287
00:55:03.239 --> 00:55:07.320
just tied up or whatever the fuck happens then after...

1288
00:55:07.380 --> 00:55:08.159
Have you noticed?

1289
00:55:08.219 --> 00:55:10.380
They've given the horse's horns look.

1290
00:55:10.440 --> 00:55:10.920
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1291
00:55:10.980 --> 00:55:11.699
That's what I'm saying.

1292
00:55:11.760 --> 00:55:13.980
They've got little horns on them like the dog does.

1293
00:55:14.039 --> 00:55:17.460
Remember the bad dog in that episode of TOS?

1294
00:55:17.519 --> 00:55:18.599
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1295
00:55:18.719 --> 00:55:19.500
The one on our logo.

1296
00:55:19.619 --> 00:55:20.699
Yeah, that guy.

1297
00:55:20.760 --> 00:55:24.539
He's gonna, it's like a dog dressed in a in an outfit to look like

1298
00:55:24.539 --> 00:55:25.199
an alien.

1299
00:55:25.260 --> 00:55:27.000
Oh, here we go.

1300
00:55:27.059 --> 00:55:27.719
Some action.

1301
00:55:27.780 --> 00:55:29.699
Someone's got a bazooka.

1302
00:55:30.360 --> 00:55:32.219
An explosion?

1303
00:55:32.280 --> 00:55:33.539
Bloating lights.

1304
00:55:33.599 --> 00:55:33.960
Yep.

1305
00:55:34.079 --> 00:55:36.659
Oh, wow. that was George.

1306
00:55:36.719 --> 00:55:37.619
That was George.

1307
00:55:40.679 --> 00:55:44.880
And so again, this is really good.

1308
00:55:44.940 --> 00:55:48.539
This is great because he's not a villain.

1309
00:55:48.599 --> 00:55:50.099
This is, things are going wrong.

1310
00:55:50.159 --> 00:55:51.360
He wasn't expecting this at all.

1311
00:55:51.420 --> 00:55:53.280
He doesn't want people to be harmed or die.

1312
00:55:53.340 --> 00:55:55.500
He wants the ship, doesn't he?

1313
00:55:55.559 --> 00:55:57.420
Yeah, but to go and get God.

1314
00:55:57.480 --> 00:55:59.639
He doesn't want to hurt anyone and he doesn't...

1315
00:55:59.699 --> 00:56:01.619
How was he going to take the shit without any action?

1316
00:56:01.739 --> 00:56:06.360
Can I just say that when William did that action bit to knock that

1317
00:56:06.360 --> 00:56:09.000
guy out, it didn't actually look like he connected with him at

1318
00:56:09.000 --> 00:56:09.179
all?

1319
00:56:09.420 --> 00:56:12.300
Because we're watching this, obviously, without the sound.

1320
00:56:12.539 --> 00:56:16.380
Again, Todd, that's very like the original series, that is.

1321
00:56:16.440 --> 00:56:16.980
Yeah.

1322
00:56:18.000 --> 00:56:21.000
Okay, so, you know, with something's happening.

1323
00:56:21.059 --> 00:56:23.400
We've got this action sequence, which is all fine.

1324
00:56:23.460 --> 00:56:27.119
Oh, now...

1325
00:56:27.179 --> 00:56:30.000
He's doing the falcon nerve pinch on the horse.

1326
00:56:30.059 --> 00:56:31.920
Oh watch out.

1327
00:56:31.980 --> 00:56:32.820
Here's a big gun.

1328
00:56:34.260 --> 00:56:36.300
Jesus Christ.

1329
00:56:36.360 --> 00:56:37.500
Look at the size of that thing.

1330
00:56:37.559 --> 00:56:39.119
Yeah, Gatling gun.

1331
00:56:39.179 --> 00:56:39.900
Like, what's happening?

1332
00:56:39.960 --> 00:56:41.340
Now we're shooting people with machine guns.

1333
00:56:41.400 --> 00:56:42.300
That's no good.

1334
00:56:42.360 --> 00:56:42.840
Don't do that.

1335
00:56:42.900 --> 00:56:45.119
The casino light's gone.

1336
00:56:45.239 --> 00:56:46.500
Wait for it.

1337
00:56:46.559 --> 00:56:47.159
Wait for it.

1338
00:56:47.219 --> 00:56:49.139
Oh, this is.

1339
00:56:49.139 --> 00:56:51.179
Oh, who's going to attack you in here?

1340
00:56:51.239 --> 00:56:52.860
I just couldn't.

1341
00:56:53.099 --> 00:56:54.840
Just waiting for it.

1342
00:56:54.900 --> 00:56:56.400
I'm just waiting for me.

1343
00:56:58.920 --> 00:57:01.199
Oh, and wait for it.

1344
00:57:01.260 --> 00:57:05.340
A few spins around and then I know what I'm going to do.

1345
00:57:05.400 --> 00:57:05.880
Oh, okay.

1346
00:57:05.940 --> 00:57:09.599
This is longer than I can. reminds me, you know, of Dr. Tana and

1347
00:57:09.599 --> 00:57:10.440
Shaq's having it.

1348
00:57:10.500 --> 00:57:12.000
Yeah, that's right.

1349
00:57:12.059 --> 00:57:15.840
Except, except we've got you.

1350
00:57:15.900 --> 00:57:19.860
We've got you, and now I'm going to throw you on the pool table

1351
00:57:19.860 --> 00:57:22.199
which is a pool, and she said, she doesn't get up.

1352
00:57:22.920 --> 00:57:24.780
Yeah, there you go.

1353
00:57:24.840 --> 00:57:26.460
Have you tried to see if she's okay?

1354
00:57:26.519 --> 00:57:28.679
Have you tried giving a cat a bath?

1355
00:57:28.739 --> 00:57:30.900
Okay, yeah, you can be dramatic.

1356
00:57:30.960 --> 00:57:32.400
They don't want to go near it.

1357
00:57:32.940 --> 00:57:34.739
Oh my goodness.

1358
00:57:34.800 --> 00:57:37.559
David Warner's like, yes, I'm back in the movie.

1359
00:57:38.400 --> 00:57:40.320
From one scene.

1360
00:57:42.900 --> 00:57:48.059
I fear that that cat attacking Captain Kirk may be the highlight

1361
00:57:48.059 --> 00:57:49.860
of the film, you know, it's all downhill from here.

1362
00:57:49.920 --> 00:57:53.699
That was our one burst of energy, I think, that the film has.

1363
00:57:53.820 --> 00:57:57.000
If you look at that fellow there, do you see the fellow with the

1364
00:57:57.000 --> 00:57:59.159
terrible latex all over him holding the gun?

1365
00:57:59.219 --> 00:58:01.980
It doesn't even look like Matt Smith in time of the doctor.

1366
00:58:03.659 --> 00:58:06.539
I thought you were going to say Neelix.

1367
00:58:06.599 --> 00:58:08.579
Yeah, I was going to say nearly.

1368
00:58:08.639 --> 00:58:10.860
I would never be that cruel, Todd.

1369
00:58:12.480 --> 00:58:15.960
No, no, this is a Neelix friendly podcast.

1370
00:58:16.019 --> 00:58:18.300
Yeah, we like we like Ethan.

1371
00:58:18.360 --> 00:58:19.860
He's very sweet.

1372
00:58:20.340 --> 00:58:24.599
John is looking very happy for someone with those teeth, isn't

1373
00:58:24.599 --> 00:58:24.840
he?

1374
00:58:24.900 --> 00:58:26.400
He's going to get some dental work soon.

1375
00:58:26.460 --> 00:58:28.440
Like Starfleet dental work.

1376
00:58:28.500 --> 00:58:31.139
Because they have socialised medicine in the Federation.

1377
00:58:31.199 --> 00:58:32.519
Oh no.

1378
00:58:32.579 --> 00:58:36.119
Do you think he got extra money for looking that bad?

1379
00:58:36.179 --> 00:58:38.460
Oh, he must have...

1380
00:58:38.519 --> 00:58:41.760
Yeah, yeah, yeah. latex eyebrow ridge as well.

1381
00:58:41.820 --> 00:58:44.460
Like he's got he's got, you know, latex on his face.

1382
00:58:44.519 --> 00:58:47.639
I don't know if you're going to go back and look at the mask at

1383
00:58:47.639 --> 00:58:48.000
the back.

1384
00:58:48.059 --> 00:58:49.679
The guy holding the gun.

1385
00:58:49.739 --> 00:58:51.300
That's terrible.

1386
00:58:52.199 --> 00:58:55.380
But it's out of focus, fortunately.

1387
00:58:55.440 --> 00:58:58.739
It's almost the entire cast of the movie in this show.

1388
00:58:58.800 --> 00:59:00.960
Yeah, yeah, except for Chekhov.

1389
00:59:01.019 --> 00:59:04.619
Have you noticed how sort of Warner's got that sort of Backstreet

1390
00:59:04.619 --> 00:59:05.639
Boys haircut as well?

1391
00:59:05.699 --> 00:59:07.079
The chaos.

1392
00:59:07.139 --> 00:59:08.579
So when you're tacky, bonarious.

1393
00:59:08.699 --> 00:59:09.780
Oh my goodness.

1394
00:59:09.840 --> 00:59:10.380
He does.

1395
00:59:10.440 --> 00:59:13.019
I really like Cybok.

1396
00:59:13.079 --> 00:59:14.400
I just think he's so good.

1397
00:59:14.460 --> 00:59:16.199
Like I like him so much.

1398
00:59:16.260 --> 00:59:18.119
I think it's a great character.

1399
00:59:18.179 --> 00:59:23.460
You know, it's not Nero or Khan or F. Murray Abraham with, you

1400
00:59:23.460 --> 00:59:25.559
know, stretched latex all over his face.

1401
00:59:25.619 --> 00:59:33.599
He's just a very nice man and a religious man who wants people to

1402
00:59:33.599 --> 00:59:35.099
feel better, you know.

1403
00:59:35.159 --> 00:59:39.719
I like that as well, especially all the bits on the ship where in

1404
00:59:39.719 --> 00:59:42.780
any other movie, it would all be played melodramatically, but all

1405
00:59:42.780 --> 00:59:45.239
the stuff, you know, where he's making McCoy see his pass and

1406
00:59:45.239 --> 00:59:45.659
stuff like that.

1407
00:59:45.719 --> 00:59:48.119
You just genuinely believe he wants to help them.

1408
00:59:48.179 --> 00:59:53.039
And when he's interacting with our other characters, like they're

1409
00:59:53.039 --> 00:59:53.400
nice.

1410
00:59:53.460 --> 00:59:55.679
They like him, you know, they trust him.

1411
00:59:55.739 --> 00:59:59.579
But I didn't quite get like, like when he does his little mind

1412
00:59:59.579 --> 01:00:03.539
thing with them and they reveal their secret and they become nice

1413
01:00:03.539 --> 01:00:04.920
and they come around to his ways.

1414
01:00:04.980 --> 01:00:07.860
I didn't quite get that up to this point when I was watching it as

1415
01:00:07.860 --> 01:00:10.739
to, so the ambassadors have come on board because they've revealed

1416
01:00:10.739 --> 01:00:14.159
their darker secrets and then he's going to do the same to the to

1417
01:00:14.159 --> 01:00:15.360
Rihura and them.

1418
01:00:15.420 --> 01:00:18.659
And so I actually quite like how that's sort of revealed.

1419
01:00:18.719 --> 01:00:21.900
Like sometimes you will piece it together before, what's going on

1420
01:00:21.900 --> 01:00:25.500
but I kind of worked it out, was a bit stupid, didn't quite work

1421
01:00:25.500 --> 01:00:26.400
it out, and I quite liked that.

1422
01:00:26.460 --> 01:00:30.480
I really like the twist that they, you know, that when they meet

1423
01:00:30.480 --> 01:00:33.900
the ambassadors, the ambassadors are on his side and that it's not

1424
01:00:33.900 --> 01:00:35.579
Stockholm syndrome or whatever.

1425
01:00:35.639 --> 01:00:39.480
It is that he's genuinely been nice to them and help them feel

1426
01:00:39.480 --> 01:00:40.679
better about themselves.

1427
01:00:40.739 --> 01:00:43.260
And, you know, I don't know.

1428
01:00:43.320 --> 01:00:45.059
But don't you think it's some manipulation as well?

1429
01:00:45.119 --> 01:00:46.440
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1430
01:00:46.500 --> 01:00:49.860
And if this is negative about religion, and I think it is given

1431
01:00:49.860 --> 01:00:52.260
that, you know, later on, Chatter is going to be hunted through

1432
01:00:52.260 --> 01:00:53.519
the sand dunes by God.

1433
01:00:55.320 --> 01:00:59.940
So it is saying something negative about religion and, you know, he

1434
01:00:59.940 --> 01:01:01.320
is a religious figure.

1435
01:01:01.380 --> 01:01:03.780
So there is something manipulative.

1436
01:01:03.840 --> 01:01:07.500
And remember, you know, there's things like confession where you

1437
01:01:07.500 --> 01:01:12.840
tell a priest, the things that are weighing on your heart and

1438
01:01:12.840 --> 01:01:13.320
stuff.

1439
01:01:13.380 --> 01:01:16.440
You know, so there's there's that sort of, there is a kind of

1440
01:01:16.440 --> 01:01:17.400
negative feel to it.

1441
01:01:17.460 --> 01:01:19.619
But just that's not how this guy plays it.

1442
01:01:19.679 --> 01:01:21.599
He just plays him as just a nice guy.

1443
01:01:21.659 --> 01:01:22.980
That's lovely.

1444
01:01:23.039 --> 01:01:25.199
I just got distracted by the Klingons chest thing.

1445
01:01:25.260 --> 01:01:26.519
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1446
01:01:26.579 --> 01:01:30.599
This is still supposed to be a piece of entertainment. right?

1447
01:01:30.659 --> 01:01:35.400
And in a movie where there's already a lack of accident, action, a

1448
01:01:35.400 --> 01:01:38.099
lack of fast narrative.

1449
01:01:38.159 --> 01:01:41.039
And then you have a lack of a fun villain.

1450
01:01:41.099 --> 01:01:45.179
He's a good villain, but he's not a fun villain, then I don't know

1451
01:01:45.179 --> 01:01:47.519
maybe maybe Christopher Plummer.

1452
01:01:47.579 --> 01:01:49.559
No, right, Avoc.

1453
01:01:49.679 --> 01:01:51.840
And let's slip the dogs of war, you know.

1454
01:01:51.900 --> 01:01:55.199
I mean, there's a reason why these actors are in these movies.

1455
01:01:55.559 --> 01:01:56.940
Yeah.

1456
01:01:57.000 --> 01:02:00.659
I just got reminded of Amanda Plummer, of course, because it's a

1457
01:02:00.659 --> 01:02:03.480
father-daughter pair of Star Trek movie villains.

1458
01:02:03.539 --> 01:02:07.500
It's tremendous song. on in Star Trek two. you know there's some

1459
01:02:07.500 --> 01:02:08.880
great villains in these movies.

1460
01:02:08.940 --> 01:02:10.800
No, I really like him too.

1461
01:02:10.860 --> 01:02:14.460
Like, I think he's a nice guy and he's got good intentions

1462
01:02:14.460 --> 01:02:17.880
generally, but it's sort of like, at this point in the movie, we

1463
01:02:17.880 --> 01:02:21.420
need to up the ante and really go to something that's going to

1464
01:02:21.420 --> 01:02:22.920
really be dangerous.

1465
01:02:22.980 --> 01:02:25.619
What is really going on?

1466
01:02:25.679 --> 01:02:28.139
And then I think I think it's a bit of a fizzle.

1467
01:02:28.199 --> 01:02:32.099
Well, yeah, and I think they're trying to, like, we're in peril at

1468
01:02:32.099 --> 01:02:37.440
the moment, not because of cybog, but because of, is it Clar?

1469
01:02:37.500 --> 01:02:40.079
Like he's the worst, the worst Klingon name.

1470
01:02:40.440 --> 01:02:43.860
Captain Claw with 2 A's.

1471
01:02:43.920 --> 01:02:46.260
Old 2 A's is here.

1472
01:02:46.260 --> 01:02:48.599
He does get a great moment later, though, where he makes his son

1473
01:02:48.599 --> 01:02:49.260
apologise.

1474
01:02:49.320 --> 01:02:50.219
Ice choice.

1475
01:02:50.280 --> 01:02:51.480
Oh, like at that point.

1476
01:02:51.539 --> 01:02:54.780
But I think they're supposed to be the over the top villains

1477
01:02:54.780 --> 01:02:55.079
aren't they?

1478
01:02:55.139 --> 01:02:55.920
It's the young Klingon.

1479
01:02:55.980 --> 01:02:58.920
Yeah, it doesn't really impact in the way it probably should.

1480
01:02:58.980 --> 01:03:02.460
Do you remember when you had Lurther and Bator in generations?

1481
01:03:02.519 --> 01:03:03.900
I mean, we were so happy when they turned up.

1482
01:03:04.019 --> 01:03:09.480
I wish they had escaped in an escape pod to come back years

1483
01:03:09.480 --> 01:03:10.139
later.

1484
01:03:10.199 --> 01:03:10.559
They were great.

1485
01:03:10.619 --> 01:03:11.400
They were awesome.

1486
01:03:11.460 --> 01:03:13.440
That is a wonderful story, isn't it?

1487
01:03:13.500 --> 01:03:18.300
Where Robert O'Reilly, Gowron, and they said to him, well, we're

1488
01:03:18.300 --> 01:03:20.760
in the movie and you're not, and he's like, oh, you're in the

1489
01:03:20.760 --> 01:03:21.480
movie, are you?

1490
01:03:21.539 --> 01:03:22.679
Well, see you later then.

1491
01:03:23.340 --> 01:03:25.019
See you again.

1492
01:03:25.559 --> 01:03:29.400
Yeah, and he's still working like he's in like the 3rd last

1493
01:03:29.400 --> 01:03:31.019
episode of DS9, isn't he?

1494
01:03:31.079 --> 01:03:32.820
Something like that, yeah.

1495
01:03:35.880 --> 01:03:39.960
Yeah, so this, like his action sequence, again, this, I don't know

1496
01:03:39.960 --> 01:03:41.340
what, why am I bored?

1497
01:03:41.400 --> 01:03:44.159
I just don't feel the tension here.

1498
01:03:44.219 --> 01:03:47.039
Like, oh, we've got to have the tractor bean, but oh, this is my

1499
01:03:47.039 --> 01:03:47.760
1st gem.

1500
01:03:47.820 --> 01:03:50.760
Oh, another humourous thing from Zulu.

1501
01:03:50.880 --> 01:03:54.719
I mean, nobody's facial expressions is really suggesting panic or

1502
01:03:54.719 --> 01:03:55.860
anxiety, is he?

1503
01:03:55.920 --> 01:03:58.440
David Warner, who looks very worried.

1504
01:03:58.500 --> 01:04:00.239
George is doing some mugging.

1505
01:04:00.300 --> 01:04:02.760
He kind of doing comedy eye expressions.

1506
01:04:02.820 --> 01:04:03.539
I was going to say that.

1507
01:04:03.599 --> 01:04:06.539
Look at this. 30 million.

1508
01:04:07.079 --> 01:04:08.760
The cartoon.

1509
01:04:09.119 --> 01:04:10.679
Get ready.

1510
01:04:10.739 --> 01:04:13.019
I reckon we do on next gen.

1511
01:04:13.079 --> 01:04:17.940
I reckon 1000000 went on the periscope and it was well spent on

1512
01:04:17.940 --> 01:04:19.800
the periscope, the periscope's boss.

1513
01:04:19.920 --> 01:04:21.900
It's, here we go.

1514
01:04:21.960 --> 01:04:23.280
Oh yeah, look at that.

1515
01:04:23.340 --> 01:04:24.000
Reused?

1516
01:04:24.059 --> 01:04:24.539
I don't know.

1517
01:04:24.599 --> 01:04:25.139
I don't know.

1518
01:04:25.199 --> 01:04:26.460
Now you better get.

1519
01:04:26.519 --> 01:04:27.599
No, No, I think it's bad.

1520
01:04:27.719 --> 01:04:28.920
Okay, yeah.

1521
01:04:28.980 --> 01:04:32.820
This sort of submarine red lighting is a lot kinder on everybody's

1522
01:04:32.820 --> 01:04:33.420
face, you know.

1523
01:04:33.480 --> 01:04:35.940
Oh, this is so bad.

1524
01:04:36.000 --> 01:04:39.420
But again, because that's that's practical and that's much

1525
01:04:39.420 --> 01:04:39.719
better.

1526
01:04:39.780 --> 01:04:40.619
Yeah, yeah.

1527
01:04:40.619 --> 01:04:41.760
Yeah.

1528
01:04:41.820 --> 01:04:43.199
The close-up practical stuff.

1529
01:04:43.679 --> 01:04:46.380
And because we saw it done properly.

1530
01:04:46.440 --> 01:04:49.019
The reason that we got to see it done properly before is we get to

1531
01:04:49.019 --> 01:04:53.039
see George fuck it up later on in the film when they don't use the

1532
01:04:53.039 --> 01:04:53.940
tractor beans.

1533
01:04:55.139 --> 01:04:58.860
I mean, can I ask, do they have those nets?

1534
01:04:58.920 --> 01:05:01.199
Did you see the nets in the cargo bay?

1535
01:05:01.260 --> 01:05:02.880
Are they there just in case they crash?

1536
01:05:02.940 --> 01:05:04.980
Yeah, yeah, yeah. into the cargo base?

1537
01:05:05.039 --> 01:05:05.460
Yes.

1538
01:05:05.519 --> 01:05:09.539
That's got to happen sometimes, you know, like, I don't know.

1539
01:05:09.599 --> 01:05:11.579
And look at the things on the floor.

1540
01:05:11.639 --> 01:05:12.599
That's pretty cool too.

1541
01:05:13.019 --> 01:05:16.559
Oh, the Galileo's all, but...

1542
01:05:16.559 --> 01:05:18.719
Everybody inside is dead. is knocked out.

1543
01:05:18.840 --> 01:05:19.440
Okay.

1544
01:05:19.440 --> 01:05:20.340
I can't remember.

1545
01:05:20.639 --> 01:05:22.380
Why does that happen?

1546
01:05:22.440 --> 01:05:27.960
Is it so that, I don't know, so that the tables turn, so that they

1547
01:05:27.960 --> 01:05:29.039
get guns or something?

1548
01:05:29.099 --> 01:05:30.179
I can't even remember now.

1549
01:05:30.239 --> 01:05:31.679
I watched this this afternoon.

1550
01:05:31.739 --> 01:05:33.780
This is one of the bits where I had to...

1551
01:05:33.780 --> 01:05:35.219
Oh, where they wrestle for the gun.

1552
01:05:35.280 --> 01:05:36.059
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1553
01:05:36.119 --> 01:05:37.559
I think we can wrestle for the gun.

1554
01:05:37.619 --> 01:05:41.219
I did have to rewind this bit because I had stopped paying

1555
01:05:41.219 --> 01:05:41.579
attention.

1556
01:05:41.699 --> 01:05:43.260
Here we go.

1557
01:05:43.260 --> 01:05:45.000
I was just going to get them first.

1558
01:05:45.059 --> 01:05:46.019
Oh, the tension.

1559
01:05:47.820 --> 01:05:49.860
Second attention.

1560
01:05:49.920 --> 01:05:50.760
My gosh.

1561
01:05:52.320 --> 01:05:54.420
We're about halfway through.

1562
01:05:54.480 --> 01:05:56.639
So there had to be something. guess so.

1563
01:05:57.840 --> 01:06:00.900
We still don't know about gold, though, do we?

1564
01:06:00.960 --> 01:06:02.880
We still don't know where we're going.

1565
01:06:03.000 --> 01:06:04.800
And we have on Star Trek five.

1566
01:06:05.159 --> 01:06:06.239
Take off.

1567
01:06:06.300 --> 01:06:09.360
That's what I want you to do just in this holding pattern.

1568
01:06:09.420 --> 01:06:11.039
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1569
01:06:11.159 --> 01:06:15.000
Like, the thing is, I wouldn't lose those childing moments at the

1570
01:06:15.000 --> 01:06:19.199
start, but really, you should get to the point quicker than 45

1571
01:06:19.199 --> 01:06:22.679
minutes in or wherever we are now. very strong. 50 minutes in.

1572
01:06:22.800 --> 01:06:24.000
He's very strong doing this.

1573
01:06:24.059 --> 01:06:26.099
Falcans are...

1574
01:06:26.519 --> 01:06:30.900
But, you know, I would care more if he was a villain, you know?

1575
01:06:30.960 --> 01:06:33.840
Whereas he's actually quite nice and he's doing this if you don't

1576
01:06:33.840 --> 01:06:38.699
quite believe that he's going to do much damage to Kirk, you

1577
01:06:38.699 --> 01:06:38.880
know?

1578
01:06:38.940 --> 01:06:41.099
Like, do you remember Star Trek too?

1579
01:06:41.159 --> 01:06:44.699
Do you remember how quickly Star Trek 2 got to the point?

1580
01:06:44.699 --> 01:06:45.599
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1581
01:06:45.599 --> 01:06:50.159
And taking over Chekhov and literally admitting it's a revenge, you

1582
01:06:50.159 --> 01:06:51.360
know, it's a revenge story.

1583
01:06:51.420 --> 01:06:53.219
It was so quick to the point.

1584
01:06:53.280 --> 01:06:54.719
You know what?

1585
01:06:54.780 --> 01:06:58.380
I think that William's gone and watched the next generation at

1586
01:06:58.380 --> 01:07:01.920
this and realised this is what Star Trek Friends want.

1587
01:07:01.980 --> 01:07:04.679
So that's what I'm going to bring to...

1588
01:07:04.739 --> 01:07:06.900
Well, it's season two.

1589
01:07:06.960 --> 01:07:08.280
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1590
01:07:08.280 --> 01:07:11.099
Before they don't even have any royals on that point.

1591
01:07:11.219 --> 01:07:12.239
No.

1592
01:07:13.559 --> 01:07:15.000
Yes.

1593
01:07:15.059 --> 01:07:19.320
But I'm not sure I like Shatniko going kill him too.

1594
01:07:19.380 --> 01:07:20.519
Kill him with a big gun.

1595
01:07:20.579 --> 01:07:23.280
I mean, like, why can you not hit him until he falls over?

1596
01:07:23.340 --> 01:07:25.019
peace that he didn't do it, isn't he?

1597
01:07:25.079 --> 01:07:27.000
And what's happened to the doctor's arm?

1598
01:07:27.059 --> 01:07:30.960
Like, oh, he like the crash in the crash?

1599
01:07:31.019 --> 01:07:33.360
But does he keep doing that all the way through?

1600
01:07:33.420 --> 01:07:34.019
can't remember.

1601
01:07:34.199 --> 01:07:36.719
I just thought it was for that sequence.

1602
01:07:39.960 --> 01:07:43.199
So do we ever mention Cybop again?

1603
01:07:43.260 --> 01:07:44.699
Oh, no, we do, don't we?

1604
01:07:44.760 --> 01:07:48.239
In, um, which Kursman Trek is inch New World?

1605
01:07:48.239 --> 01:07:49.619
in Strange New World?

1606
01:07:49.679 --> 01:07:54.780
So Tupring is working in some kind of penal facility for Vulcans

1607
01:07:54.780 --> 01:07:56.280
and that's established.

1608
01:07:56.340 --> 01:07:59.280
And I think at the end of one of the episodes, probably in season

1609
01:07:59.280 --> 01:08:05.219
one, we discover that, oh, it's in the serene squall, we've done

1610
01:08:05.219 --> 01:08:05.579
it.

1611
01:08:05.579 --> 01:08:07.019
Do you remember the serene squall?

1612
01:08:07.079 --> 01:08:15.239
Yeah. that pirate is trying to get her partner out of Tapring's

1613
01:08:15.239 --> 01:08:18.779
facility and it turns out her partner's Cybogg.

1614
01:08:18.840 --> 01:08:20.220
Young Cyborg.

1615
01:08:20.279 --> 01:08:21.960
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1616
01:08:22.020 --> 01:08:23.699
We just see him in silhouette.

1617
01:08:23.760 --> 01:08:25.680
See, here's giving a moment alone.

1618
01:08:25.739 --> 01:08:28.319
Don't be afraid, and then they're going to fall under his spell.

1619
01:08:28.380 --> 01:08:29.340
Yeah, yeah.

1620
01:08:29.399 --> 01:08:33.119
I know he's finding out like, you know, good stuff, but I still

1621
01:08:33.119 --> 01:08:33.899
think it's mind control.

1622
01:08:33.960 --> 01:08:35.699
Oh, yeah, no, it is.

1623
01:08:35.760 --> 01:08:37.560
It's not played as mind controlled.

1624
01:08:37.619 --> 01:08:38.340
Do you know what I mean?

1625
01:08:38.399 --> 01:08:41.520
It's not played as a mad thing. played a different way.

1626
01:08:41.579 --> 01:08:43.140
It's not played as totally evil.

1627
01:08:43.199 --> 01:08:46.680
But they've been brought around to his way of thinking through

1628
01:08:46.680 --> 01:08:48.479
what he's done.

1629
01:08:48.539 --> 01:08:50.399
So it is mind manipulation.

1630
01:08:50.460 --> 01:08:51.479
Yeah.

1631
01:08:51.479 --> 01:08:53.939
But, but it's presented as something kind.

1632
01:08:54.000 --> 01:08:56.760
So I never realised this. in the brig, right?

1633
01:08:57.659 --> 01:09:00.960
And that's the toilet.

1634
01:09:01.020 --> 01:09:02.640
Isn't it?

1635
01:09:02.699 --> 01:09:05.159
He's about to sit on the toilet, so he's kidding me.

1636
01:09:05.220 --> 01:09:08.100
No, no, because it says not used while in space, dog.

1637
01:09:08.159 --> 01:09:08.939
Oh, no.

1638
01:09:08.939 --> 01:09:11.760
And then he pulls it out of the mall and he sits on it.

1639
01:09:11.819 --> 01:09:15.239
It's some of that human. toilet humour.

1640
01:09:15.300 --> 01:09:17.100
Oh your brother.

1641
01:09:17.159 --> 01:09:18.180
Your brother, brother.

1642
01:09:18.239 --> 01:09:20.640
Well, because the brother thing's important too.

1643
01:09:20.699 --> 01:09:24.300
Again, this gets resolved in the very final scene, where where

1644
01:09:24.300 --> 01:09:28.199
Shatner says, I lost a brother once. you know, but then I got him

1645
01:09:28.199 --> 01:09:28.380
back.

1646
01:09:28.500 --> 01:09:32.340
God, those outfits are ugly, aren't they?

1647
01:09:32.399 --> 01:09:34.199
Yeah, they really are.

1648
01:09:34.319 --> 01:09:36.779
They look like army surplus.

1649
01:09:36.899 --> 01:09:38.460
Yeah, that's the toilet.

1650
01:09:38.579 --> 01:09:40.920
I think I used to have one for cadets at school.

1651
01:09:40.979 --> 01:09:43.199
Yeah, yeah. really looks like that.

1652
01:09:43.260 --> 01:09:44.279
Oh dear.

1653
01:09:44.340 --> 01:09:45.960
Oh, we really doing this.

1654
01:09:46.020 --> 01:09:49.680
You and Cybok have the same father, but different mothers?

1655
01:09:49.739 --> 01:09:51.180
Yeah, yeah.

1656
01:09:51.180 --> 01:09:52.319
That's how it happened.

1657
01:09:52.380 --> 01:09:53.220
Why did you know this before?

1658
01:09:53.279 --> 01:09:57.180
We need it for the plot. that's right And while I'm here, I have a

1659
01:09:57.180 --> 01:09:57.420
sister.

1660
01:09:57.420 --> 01:09:59.039
Let me tell you about Michael Burton.

1661
01:09:59.100 --> 01:10:01.800
She'll be very important later on in the franchise.

1662
01:10:01.859 --> 01:10:04.140
She'll be responsible for everything.

1663
01:10:08.039 --> 01:10:11.699
And yeah, so why don't you throw him in the brig?

1664
01:10:11.760 --> 01:10:12.539
Well, he's already here.

1665
01:10:12.600 --> 01:10:13.619
Like that's the thing.

1666
01:10:13.739 --> 01:10:15.539
Oh, here we go.

1667
01:10:15.600 --> 01:10:16.380
How do we get out of here?

1668
01:10:16.500 --> 01:10:18.000
I really like that too.

1669
01:10:18.060 --> 01:10:19.920
And in fact, I really like that scene.

1670
01:10:19.979 --> 01:10:23.100
Again, this is just the 3 of them, again, locked in a room

1671
01:10:23.100 --> 01:10:23.579
together.

1672
01:10:23.640 --> 01:10:26.760
This has been their last 20 years has essentially been this.

1673
01:10:26.819 --> 01:10:28.079
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1674
01:10:28.140 --> 01:10:31.859
This is what this is about more than anything else.

1675
01:10:31.920 --> 01:10:33.359
Look at George.

1676
01:10:33.420 --> 01:10:34.439
Like he just...

1677
01:10:34.439 --> 01:10:37.800
I'm sorry, sometimes his facial expressions just don't work.

1678
01:10:38.279 --> 01:10:40.140
He seems very happy.

1679
01:10:40.199 --> 01:10:44.100
I don't dislike him, but he's interesting.

1680
01:10:44.159 --> 01:10:48.720
He was really unhappy that they made his character gay in the

1681
01:10:48.720 --> 01:10:49.680
Kelvin universe.

1682
01:10:49.739 --> 01:10:54.779
Yeah, and I mean, I kind of get it because, you know, as an actor

1683
01:10:54.779 --> 01:10:58.380
there, he must have had the fear that if it was generally known

1684
01:10:58.380 --> 01:11:03.359
that he was gay, that would restrict what he could be cast as.

1685
01:11:03.420 --> 01:11:07.619
You know, like nowadays, you can cast Jonathan Bailey as a

1686
01:11:07.619 --> 01:11:11.039
straight man and everyone in the Dandy cinema will laugh when

1687
01:11:11.039 --> 01:11:11.579
he...

1688
01:11:11.579 --> 01:11:12.479
Not convinced, but yeah.

1689
01:11:12.539 --> 01:11:13.680
No, no one did.

1690
01:11:13.739 --> 01:11:18.539
But I think if you're a gay actor playing a character that's

1691
01:11:18.539 --> 01:11:19.380
straight.

1692
01:11:19.439 --> 01:11:22.260
You want to think that you've done a convincing job that nobody

1693
01:11:22.260 --> 01:11:22.739
would really know.

1694
01:11:22.800 --> 01:11:26.159
But I mean, because, you know, it never really came up.

1695
01:11:26.220 --> 01:11:28.439
No, it was just neutral.

1696
01:11:28.500 --> 01:11:29.220
Yeah, yeah.

1697
01:11:29.279 --> 01:11:34.260
Oh, he does call, doesn't he call a fair maiden at one point?

1698
01:11:34.319 --> 01:11:36.840
But the end of the movie, you know, they're both interested in the

1699
01:11:36.840 --> 01:11:37.739
Klingon woman.

1700
01:11:37.800 --> 01:11:39.300
Yeah, yeah, yeah, right.

1701
01:11:39.359 --> 01:11:40.920
Oh dear.

1702
01:11:40.979 --> 01:11:42.779
So he is straight.

1703
01:11:43.500 --> 01:11:48.300
But, I mean, I think we should be so happy that I just put in a

1704
01:11:48.300 --> 01:11:50.399
gay character in Star Trek, for God's sake.

1705
01:11:50.460 --> 01:11:51.359
I know.

1706
01:11:51.960 --> 01:11:56.220
I mean, I do like all of this, but I just wish there was more

1707
01:11:56.220 --> 01:12:01.560
actual... danger and a real reason why we need to escape, like

1708
01:12:01.560 --> 01:12:04.020
because there's an urgency because something is going to really

1709
01:12:04.020 --> 01:12:06.479
bad happen and we still don't...

1710
01:12:06.720 --> 01:12:09.659
But there's no pace to any of this.

1711
01:12:09.720 --> 01:12:12.359
We're just in a room nattering.

1712
01:12:12.420 --> 01:12:18.779
And and so there's a line later on where God tells them, oh, you

1713
01:12:18.779 --> 01:12:21.119
must have had a very difficult journey to get here.

1714
01:12:21.180 --> 01:12:24.000
And all I could think was, no, not really.

1715
01:12:24.060 --> 01:12:25.739
They just sort of drove up here.

1716
01:12:25.859 --> 01:12:27.600
Can I ask a question?

1717
01:12:27.659 --> 01:12:29.399
He's announcing his intention to the rest of the ship.

1718
01:12:29.520 --> 01:12:32.279
How many, like, I mean, I know it's just been out of space, dog

1719
01:12:32.279 --> 01:12:33.779
but how many other people are there on this ship?

1720
01:12:33.840 --> 01:12:37.800
Is nobody actually going to try and mount sort of an attempt on

1721
01:12:37.800 --> 01:12:38.699
the bridge or something?

1722
01:12:38.760 --> 01:12:40.560
Like we're all just walking around the corridor.

1723
01:12:40.680 --> 01:12:41.939
I think they all like him.

1724
01:12:42.000 --> 01:12:44.399
Oh, did you see him in the corridor?

1725
01:12:44.460 --> 01:12:46.439
They're all just going, yo, I haven't thought about those

1726
01:12:46.439 --> 01:12:46.920
questions.

1727
01:12:46.979 --> 01:12:47.399
No.

1728
01:12:47.460 --> 01:12:48.420
How interesting.

1729
01:12:49.199 --> 01:12:51.539
God, that sounds great.

1730
01:12:51.600 --> 01:12:53.039
Maybe we could meet him.

1731
01:12:53.579 --> 01:12:57.720
Oh, let's go, who is this fucker, for God's sake?

1732
01:12:57.779 --> 01:13:00.420
The carpet's very T&G, isn't it?

1733
01:13:00.479 --> 01:13:04.439
We lose the carpet, Todd, don't we, in Kursman Shrek?

1734
01:13:04.439 --> 01:13:05.100
It's such a shame.

1735
01:13:05.159 --> 01:13:07.619
They do make fun of the carpet.

1736
01:13:07.680 --> 01:13:09.239
We got it back in TNG.

1737
01:13:09.300 --> 01:13:11.460
No, so TNG, Picard series 3, didn't we?

1738
01:13:11.520 --> 01:13:12.000
Yeah.

1739
01:13:12.060 --> 01:13:15.600
Well, that's the thing that that's the thing that Picard says that

1740
01:13:15.600 --> 01:13:19.319
he misses the most about the Enterprise D. It's the 1st thing he

1741
01:13:19.319 --> 01:13:21.659
mentions when he goes on the bridge, the carpet.

1742
01:13:21.720 --> 01:13:24.239
It was a very funny bit of trivia, wasn't it?

1743
01:13:24.300 --> 01:13:27.119
when they had to hoover that bloody bridge set before they all

1744
01:13:27.119 --> 01:13:30.960
went on it and nobody is allowed on this set until we shoo, all

1745
01:13:30.960 --> 01:13:31.140
right?

1746
01:13:31.859 --> 01:13:33.359
Wow.

1747
01:13:33.359 --> 01:13:41.039
So, Shakari, um, which is apparently because they wanted Sean

1748
01:13:41.039 --> 01:13:47.399
Connery to play Cybok, um, but he was busy uh, doing Indiana

1749
01:13:47.399 --> 01:13:47.880
Jones.

1750
01:13:48.000 --> 01:13:51.000
So the planet is called Sean Connery.

1751
01:13:51.060 --> 01:13:54.359
I think it would have been a more knowing performance, don't you?

1752
01:13:54.359 --> 01:13:58.319
With Connery in this, it would have been more winky winky to the

1753
01:13:58.319 --> 01:13:58.680
audience.

1754
01:13:58.739 --> 01:13:59.279
I think.

1755
01:13:59.340 --> 01:13:59.880
Yeah.

1756
01:13:59.939 --> 01:14:03.420
I mean, I like the way this guy plays and I think he's really good

1757
01:14:03.479 --> 01:14:04.319
is good.

1758
01:14:04.380 --> 01:14:07.560
But you have to think that Connery would lift it though, don't

1759
01:14:07.560 --> 01:14:07.739
you?

1760
01:14:07.800 --> 01:14:09.840
He's not a movie villain, is he?

1761
01:14:09.899 --> 01:14:12.479
He's just, yeah, he's good.

1762
01:14:12.539 --> 01:14:15.479
I don't know if he's got like presence for a movie.

1763
01:14:15.539 --> 01:14:20.460
But Joe, as you said, like this is much more of a TV episode.

1764
01:14:20.520 --> 01:14:22.859
A distended TV episode.

1765
01:14:22.920 --> 01:14:25.500
It's still a season three.

1766
01:14:25.500 --> 01:14:29.399
We're in the Fred Freiburger season 3 of TOS.

1767
01:14:30.119 --> 01:14:34.260
I was thinking, I was trying to think, Brennan Bragger and Joe

1768
01:14:34.260 --> 01:14:36.840
Manosky or something like that.

1769
01:14:37.739 --> 01:14:38.819
Day Voyager, yeah.

1770
01:14:38.880 --> 01:14:40.859
Choppy waters, Todd.

1771
01:14:43.020 --> 01:14:47.279
Oh, now this...

1772
01:14:47.279 --> 01:14:48.720
Stand back.

1773
01:14:48.840 --> 01:14:50.579
And they don't.

1774
01:14:50.640 --> 01:14:52.680
Oh, for goodness sake, when have you working out?

1775
01:14:52.739 --> 01:14:55.199
It's so damn.

1776
01:14:55.199 --> 01:14:56.399
The story is grown.

1777
01:14:56.460 --> 01:14:59.640
But this is well done, Scotty.

1778
01:14:59.699 --> 01:15:04.560
Like, you have got, you know, some urgency.

1779
01:15:05.159 --> 01:15:07.500
Don't you recognise a jail break when you see one?

1780
01:15:07.859 --> 01:15:11.579
Oh, look, look, Sulu is mesmerised.

1781
01:15:11.640 --> 01:15:12.420
Yes.

1782
01:15:12.479 --> 01:15:14.399
I mesmerised.

1783
01:15:15.180 --> 01:15:16.859
Here we go.

1784
01:15:16.920 --> 01:15:18.659
Here's our moment coming up quite soon.

1785
01:15:19.380 --> 01:15:22.260
Now, why are they so...

1786
01:15:22.619 --> 01:15:25.739
It's a movie, I guess, and that has to fit the cast.

1787
01:15:25.800 --> 01:15:28.800
Some other cast are a bit bigger than that.

1788
01:15:28.800 --> 01:15:30.779
I think he's where the money went, isn't it?

1789
01:15:30.840 --> 01:15:31.979
This corridor.

1790
01:15:32.039 --> 01:15:33.960
This giant Jeffreys tube.

1791
01:15:35.880 --> 01:15:38.520
Well, these people are all fucking 70.

1792
01:15:38.699 --> 01:15:41.220
They're not crawling along on their hands and knees in a Jeffries

1793
01:15:41.220 --> 01:15:41.640
tube.

1794
01:15:41.699 --> 01:15:42.600
No, of course.

1795
01:15:43.380 --> 01:15:45.119
You're amazing.

1796
01:15:45.180 --> 01:15:47.100
This is so well tied.

1797
01:15:47.159 --> 01:15:49.079
This is great comedy.

1798
01:15:49.140 --> 01:15:51.300
But just the way it collapses.

1799
01:15:51.359 --> 01:15:52.439
That is fantastic.

1800
01:15:52.800 --> 01:15:55.079
Now we're on the Enterprise team.

1801
01:15:55.079 --> 01:15:56.760
We're watching GNG.

1802
01:15:56.819 --> 01:15:57.539
What's going on?

1803
01:15:57.600 --> 01:16:01.380
This reminds me of Charlie and the chocolate factory or the Doctor

1804
01:16:01.380 --> 01:16:04.199
Who, that classic planet of the Daleks.

1805
01:16:04.319 --> 01:16:04.920
Yes.

1806
01:16:04.920 --> 01:16:07.319
When they're going up the shoulder shaft.

1807
01:16:07.380 --> 01:16:11.760
Oh, this whole sequence is just delirious.

1808
01:16:11.819 --> 01:16:13.680
I had so much fun watching this.

1809
01:16:13.800 --> 01:16:20.039
And again, where at climax is the 3 of them all holding on to one

1810
01:16:20.039 --> 01:16:20.399
another?

1811
01:16:20.460 --> 01:16:24.960
Like those 3 men are all holding each other in order to grow up

1812
01:16:24.960 --> 01:16:28.979
and down the shaft. so far.

1813
01:16:28.979 --> 01:16:30.899
I'll get him to Sick Bay.

1814
01:16:30.960 --> 01:16:37.140
I think from the 2nd that Scotty releases them from the room, it

1815
01:16:37.140 --> 01:16:40.680
suddenly picks up again now, and it's a lot of very fun moments.

1816
01:16:41.220 --> 01:16:44.220
Now, we have a massive problem here.

1817
01:16:44.279 --> 01:16:47.640
It's a huge continuity problem, so I'm very, very upset and I'm

1818
01:16:47.640 --> 01:16:49.319
writing to my MP as we speak.

1819
01:16:50.699 --> 01:16:57.840
On a normal ship, deck one is the top deck and the and the decks

1820
01:16:57.840 --> 01:16:58.739
are lower.

1821
01:16:58.739 --> 01:16:59.819
Yeah.

1822
01:16:59.880 --> 01:17:01.199
Oh, we're going up.

1823
01:17:01.199 --> 01:17:04.079
But we're going up and the numbers are also going up.

1824
01:17:04.140 --> 01:17:08.460
Also, it seems like the ship has like 70 decks or something which

1825
01:17:08.460 --> 01:17:10.260
is absolutely...

1826
01:17:10.319 --> 01:17:10.920
Where did we come from?

1827
01:17:11.279 --> 01:17:13.560
I don't know who cares?

1828
01:17:13.859 --> 01:17:16.920
He's been wearing those boots for the whole film.

1829
01:17:16.979 --> 01:17:18.960
He's wearing them for an hour.

1830
01:17:19.020 --> 01:17:20.699
But he's gone and got them.

1831
01:17:20.699 --> 01:17:21.539
And then...

1832
01:17:21.539 --> 01:17:22.800
Oh, maybe he went and got them.

1833
01:17:23.100 --> 01:17:24.060
And then he's gone.

1834
01:17:24.539 --> 01:17:26.340
But do you see what I mean?

1835
01:17:26.460 --> 01:17:27.359
I'm bored.

1836
01:17:27.420 --> 01:17:28.319
Yeah, yeah.

1837
01:17:28.380 --> 01:17:31.020
It's getting those 3 men holding each other.

1838
01:17:31.079 --> 01:17:35.699
It's making just so visible, that weird independent relationship.

1839
01:17:35.760 --> 01:17:37.500
It's adorable.

1840
01:17:37.560 --> 01:17:38.399
It's perfect.

1841
01:17:38.520 --> 01:17:40.020
There we go.

1842
01:17:42.000 --> 01:17:43.979
Yeah, I do like it.

1843
01:17:44.100 --> 01:17:44.699
Like, it's nice.

1844
01:17:44.760 --> 01:17:48.359
And it's like, that's a lovely shot looking down at them coming

1845
01:17:48.359 --> 01:17:48.840
down.

1846
01:17:48.899 --> 01:17:49.979
I mean...

1847
01:17:49.979 --> 01:17:52.560
Fire the rockets.

1848
01:17:52.619 --> 01:17:54.659
Again, some nice direction there.

1849
01:17:54.720 --> 01:17:55.439
52.

1850
01:17:55.439 --> 01:17:56.220
Oh, wow.

1851
01:17:56.279 --> 01:17:57.060
Deck 64.

1852
01:17:57.300 --> 01:17:58.079
Watch out.

1853
01:17:58.079 --> 01:18:00.239
Oh, come on.

1854
01:18:00.239 --> 01:18:02.220
Back 77.

1855
01:18:03.119 --> 01:18:07.920
Oh, the decks aren't all in the right order, Todd.

1856
01:18:07.979 --> 01:18:10.020
Can I just say?

1857
01:18:10.079 --> 01:18:12.600
Like, we've just, that's the pinnacle of the movie.

1858
01:18:12.659 --> 01:18:14.699
Yeah, I forget the most action you gave again.

1859
01:18:15.000 --> 01:18:16.739
You are right.

1860
01:18:16.800 --> 01:18:19.199
There is very Planet of the Daleks, isn't it, going up and down

1861
01:18:19.199 --> 01:18:19.739
that shoe?

1862
01:18:19.800 --> 01:18:20.699
Yeah, yeah.

1863
01:18:21.539 --> 01:18:21.840
Wow.

1864
01:18:21.899 --> 01:18:23.399
Well, we're back in 10 forward.

1865
01:18:23.460 --> 01:18:27.180
You know when they went zooming up, you could really see that they

1866
01:18:27.180 --> 01:18:28.260
were attached to that wall.

1867
01:18:29.399 --> 01:18:32.760
No expenses paid.

1868
01:18:32.819 --> 01:18:34.439
Spared.

1869
01:18:35.100 --> 01:18:39.300
But like, I said, to you, no, from Disneyland, a message.

1870
01:18:39.420 --> 01:18:40.739
Like, Star Trek should be silly.

1871
01:18:40.920 --> 01:18:42.659
Yeah, I agree.

1872
01:18:42.720 --> 01:18:43.619
Absolutely it should.

1873
01:18:43.680 --> 01:18:45.779
You've got to have those comic moments.

1874
01:18:45.840 --> 01:18:48.420
That's what makes any science fiction, you know?

1875
01:18:48.479 --> 01:18:50.939
That's what makes, sorry, to go off track, Doctor Who.

1876
01:18:51.000 --> 01:18:51.899
Yeah, exactly.

1877
01:18:51.960 --> 01:18:53.159
And it makes it real.

1878
01:18:53.220 --> 01:18:56.640
But I mean, this isn't the expanse or foundation or something like

1879
01:18:56.640 --> 01:18:56.880
that.

1880
01:18:57.000 --> 01:18:58.800
You know, it's not a serious.

1881
01:18:58.859 --> 01:19:00.600
It's not science fiction, science fiction.

1882
01:19:00.659 --> 01:19:03.239
It's got to be silly and it's got a long history of being sick.

1883
01:19:03.300 --> 01:19:07.739
But there are times, Nathan, like early enterprise, late TNG where

1884
01:19:07.739 --> 01:19:11.039
it does forget sometimes and it becomes very worthy and

1885
01:19:11.039 --> 01:19:12.720
tictatorial.

1886
01:19:13.020 --> 01:19:15.420
Oh, they're going to the barrier.

1887
01:19:15.479 --> 01:19:16.560
Okay.

1888
01:19:16.619 --> 01:19:23.220
So in the 2nd pilot where no man has gone before, we go to the

1889
01:19:23.220 --> 01:19:28.079
galactic barrier and that galactic barrier surrounds the entire

1890
01:19:28.079 --> 01:19:29.819
galaxy and you can't go through it.

1891
01:19:29.880 --> 01:19:32.340
Never mentioned again until now.

1892
01:19:32.399 --> 01:19:34.920
If you're a TOS fan, you would know this.

1893
01:19:34.979 --> 01:19:37.199
You would know this because it's in the 2nd episode.

1894
01:19:37.319 --> 01:19:43.140
And in Discovery series 4, there's actually an episode called The

1895
01:19:43.140 --> 01:19:47.340
Galactic Barrier, because they've decided it's real, and they have

1896
01:19:47.340 --> 01:19:49.739
difficulty going outside the galactic barrier in that.

1897
01:19:49.800 --> 01:19:52.140
They just mentioned the great barrier there.

1898
01:19:52.199 --> 01:19:56.579
This is the Great Barrier, which surrounds the Galactic Centre.

1899
01:19:56.640 --> 01:19:58.859
Sorry, Queensland.

1900
01:19:59.220 --> 01:20:01.979
I'm sorry I'm sorry.

1901
01:20:02.039 --> 01:20:06.300
So there's barriers in the middle and on the outside of the galaxy

1902
01:20:06.359 --> 01:20:09.960
like one of those everlasting gobstoppers, you know, you suck away

1903
01:20:09.960 --> 01:20:12.779
a bit and then there's another layer, another fucking barrier.

1904
01:20:14.460 --> 01:20:16.199
He doesn't look happy.

1905
01:20:16.260 --> 01:20:21.300
Yeah, I think I think probably the doctors said no to the teeth.

1906
01:20:21.359 --> 01:20:22.079
No to the teeth.

1907
01:20:22.140 --> 01:20:23.819
Oh, now you just have to learn.

1908
01:20:23.819 --> 01:20:25.199
A bit in a minute, right?

1909
01:20:25.319 --> 01:20:30.420
Where he seduces, I'm making that sound more exciting than it is.

1910
01:20:30.479 --> 01:20:31.199
McCoy.

1911
01:20:31.739 --> 01:20:34.079
He didn't want to do it, did he?

1912
01:20:34.140 --> 01:20:35.699
De Forrest didn't want to do that scene.

1913
01:20:35.760 --> 01:20:38.939
And Shatner said to him, that is some of the best acting you're

1914
01:20:38.939 --> 01:20:41.699
going to get to do in a Star Trek movie in ages.

1915
01:20:41.819 --> 01:20:42.899
Do the bloody scene.

1916
01:20:42.960 --> 01:20:44.699
Why didn't he want to do it?

1917
01:20:44.819 --> 01:20:48.359
I have no idea, but he, it was in that book.

1918
01:20:48.420 --> 01:20:52.319
He had great objections to that scene and they did have to be

1919
01:20:52.319 --> 01:20:52.800
convinced.

1920
01:20:52.859 --> 01:20:54.359
Oh, here we go.

1921
01:20:54.840 --> 01:20:56.520
Seduction.

1922
01:20:56.520 --> 01:20:58.739
There was a madman.

1923
01:20:58.800 --> 01:21:02.159
Oh my goodness, he's put me in touch with my feelings in a way

1924
01:21:02.159 --> 01:21:03.539
that I've always wanted to express.

1925
01:21:06.060 --> 01:21:09.060
So much I want to tell you, Scotty.

1926
01:21:09.119 --> 01:21:10.800
You see that?

1927
01:21:10.800 --> 01:21:15.359
Like, this stuff is actually quite fun.

1928
01:21:15.479 --> 01:21:16.560
Yeah, yeah.

1929
01:21:16.619 --> 01:21:17.159
Yeah.

1930
01:21:17.220 --> 01:21:17.880
In a way.

1931
01:21:17.939 --> 01:21:19.680
I mean, pairing them up works.

1932
01:21:19.739 --> 01:21:21.300
It gives them both something to do at least.

1933
01:21:21.960 --> 01:21:24.539
You can haggle single full.

1934
01:21:24.600 --> 01:21:26.220
You can certainly handle Wahura, surely.

1935
01:21:26.279 --> 01:21:26.819
Yeah.

1936
01:21:26.819 --> 01:21:27.600
Yeah.

1937
01:21:27.659 --> 01:21:34.739
So, so this scene, I, like, I think this scene is good, I guess.

1938
01:21:35.640 --> 01:21:40.439
And again, it's showing us what he's doing because you're right, it

1939
01:21:40.439 --> 01:21:41.699
is just mind control.

1940
01:21:41.760 --> 01:21:46.079
He's taking the ship over by making them all like him and want to

1941
01:21:46.079 --> 01:21:47.819
do what he says.

1942
01:21:47.880 --> 01:21:52.079
Um, and I guess that's as insidious as just, you know, using a

1943
01:21:52.079 --> 01:21:53.939
brain control beam or something.

1944
01:21:54.060 --> 01:21:57.420
But here we get to actually experience it.

1945
01:21:57.479 --> 01:22:00.180
We've seen it happen to other people, but now we get to see

1946
01:22:00.180 --> 01:22:03.840
subjectively what it's like for McCoy to experience it.

1947
01:22:03.899 --> 01:22:07.439
Can I just say at this, I think at this point in the movie, I'm

1948
01:22:07.439 --> 01:22:09.899
actually enjoying this more than when I was watching it alone.

1949
01:22:09.960 --> 01:22:11.579
That often happens.

1950
01:22:11.640 --> 01:22:14.039
It's off on the way, you know, with the really bad stuff.

1951
01:22:14.100 --> 01:22:16.500
But there's lots to recommend this.

1952
01:22:16.560 --> 01:22:18.479
Like lots of nice little bits.

1953
01:22:18.539 --> 01:22:21.119
I think I agree with.

1954
01:22:21.180 --> 01:22:25.380
Tot's take on Cyblock in that is manipulation, but I think it

1955
01:22:25.380 --> 01:22:27.539
isn't presented that way.

1956
01:22:27.600 --> 01:22:31.739
And I think because he's not presented in a villainous way, like

1957
01:22:31.739 --> 01:22:34.500
he would be in a TNG episode or something like that, it would be

1958
01:22:34.500 --> 01:22:36.899
far more explicit in the direction and things like that.

1959
01:22:36.899 --> 01:22:41.399
And in the performance, there's some ambiguity there.

1960
01:22:42.239 --> 01:22:43.619
Yeah.

1961
01:22:43.739 --> 01:22:47.520
I mean, there's an anti-religious message, I guess, in a way.

1962
01:22:47.579 --> 01:22:48.600
Do you know what I mean?

1963
01:22:48.659 --> 01:22:53.279
But it's not a not, you know, he's not using a mind control ray to

1964
01:22:53.279 --> 01:22:54.600
get people to obey him.

1965
01:22:54.659 --> 01:22:57.000
He is being kind to them.

1966
01:22:57.060 --> 01:22:58.319
This is well done, isn't it?

1967
01:22:58.380 --> 01:23:01.619
He's really well done, but again, there's no oomph.

1968
01:23:01.680 --> 01:23:04.380
We should this should be dynamic, this movie.

1969
01:23:04.560 --> 01:23:08.279
Yeah, with this, is he the only one seeing this?

1970
01:23:08.340 --> 01:23:10.380
Like, is this what he does to everybody else?

1971
01:23:10.439 --> 01:23:14.279
Like they just see this, but for some reason, we're just seeing

1972
01:23:14.279 --> 01:23:18.119
his version of it compared to everybody else's that we don't get

1973
01:23:18.119 --> 01:23:18.420
to see.

1974
01:23:18.479 --> 01:23:21.600
But does Jim or Spock see this?

1975
01:23:21.600 --> 01:23:23.640
or they just see him going?

1976
01:23:23.699 --> 01:23:27.840
Well, I think somehow, yes, they do because they comment on it, I

1977
01:23:27.840 --> 01:23:28.079
think.

1978
01:23:28.140 --> 01:23:29.460
Let's have a look.

1979
01:23:29.520 --> 01:23:32.760
But I think that they, you know, it doesn't fully make sense, I

1980
01:23:32.760 --> 01:23:33.000
think.

1981
01:23:33.060 --> 01:23:37.619
But why does he have this ability rather than other Vulcans

1982
01:23:37.619 --> 01:23:39.000
because he's let his emotions in?

1983
01:23:39.060 --> 01:23:39.840
Yeah, something like that.

1984
01:23:39.899 --> 01:23:42.300
Again, it's not clear though, is it?

1985
01:23:42.359 --> 01:23:45.479
Because I don't think there's ever a shot or from their point of

1986
01:23:45.479 --> 01:23:48.539
view where you just see McCoy and his dad isn't in the shot.

1987
01:23:48.600 --> 01:23:49.680
No.

1988
01:23:49.680 --> 01:23:52.739
But I think, I mean, it is interesting to direct it this way

1989
01:23:52.739 --> 01:23:54.899
because, like, I mean, if you was, I don't know, if you were in

1990
01:23:54.899 --> 01:23:58.439
Heaven forbid a Voyager episode, you'd see some sort of shimmery

1991
01:23:58.439 --> 01:24:00.479
thing and you'd be going into the dream or whatever.

1992
01:24:00.539 --> 01:24:03.000
Whereas here you just walk into it.

1993
01:24:03.060 --> 01:24:05.100
It's very theatrical, really, isn't it?

1994
01:24:05.159 --> 01:24:06.720
Like, there's an artifice to it.

1995
01:24:06.779 --> 01:24:11.819
Of course, this man is only 8 years older than DeForest Kelly.

1996
01:24:12.539 --> 01:24:16.140
When he only looks 2 years old.

1997
01:24:16.439 --> 01:24:19.739
They've mastered the old age makeup at this point.

1998
01:24:19.800 --> 01:24:22.260
They could have given him another 15 layers, could they?

1999
01:24:22.560 --> 01:24:25.079
He's looking pretty wrong.

2000
01:24:25.199 --> 01:24:30.239
And I like this too, because this is like 1989, and I don't think

2001
01:24:30.239 --> 01:24:34.920
a sister dying was un, well, even now it's still controversial

2002
01:24:34.920 --> 01:24:35.399
isn't it?

2003
01:24:35.460 --> 01:24:38.460
Like he is he's euthanising his father.

2004
01:24:38.520 --> 01:24:40.800
Yeah, I think this would have been a bit of a thing.

2005
01:24:40.859 --> 01:24:41.819
Yeah, yeah.

2006
01:24:41.880 --> 01:24:44.699
And so I think it's brave and progressive in a way.

2007
01:24:44.760 --> 01:24:47.100
You know, the last film we were talking about, the whales.

2008
01:24:47.159 --> 01:24:52.380
Can I just say like, De Forrest Kelly's acting in this sequence is

2009
01:24:52.380 --> 01:24:52.979
very, very good.

2010
01:24:53.039 --> 01:24:54.600
Terrific.

2011
01:24:54.659 --> 01:24:57.840
And it shows what a good actor actually is.

2012
01:24:57.899 --> 01:25:00.180
And most of the time he's just as grumpy, you know, whatever.

2013
01:25:00.239 --> 01:25:03.600
But in this moment, you can see what he is capable of.

2014
01:25:03.659 --> 01:25:07.560
Well, there's a moment in a 2nd where him and Cyblock are start

2015
01:25:07.560 --> 01:25:10.260
grappling with each other and they're talking about the assisted

2016
01:25:10.260 --> 01:25:13.079
suicide and it gets mildly hysterical.

2017
01:25:13.140 --> 01:25:16.439
Nathan, you and me, I've done some episodes recently with, you

2018
01:25:16.439 --> 01:25:22.079
know, Robert Duncan McNeil in moments of...

2019
01:25:22.380 --> 01:25:25.800
But it just goes to show you when a good actor's doing it.

2020
01:25:25.859 --> 01:25:27.840
You know, it's very different.

2021
01:25:27.960 --> 01:25:31.560
And but look how Cybocket intervenes here.

2022
01:25:31.619 --> 01:25:34.079
And he says it's okay.

2023
01:25:34.140 --> 01:25:35.760
You know, like you did the right thing.

2024
01:25:35.819 --> 01:25:38.220
He's felt bad because there's a cure.

2025
01:25:38.279 --> 01:25:39.359
There's a cure comes later.

2026
01:25:39.420 --> 01:25:44.699
But Cybok is, and like Cybok is holding him and stuff, you know

2027
01:25:44.699 --> 01:25:48.479
like it's, would get so much more out of this, if Cybok did it to

2028
01:25:48.479 --> 01:25:52.739
a number of different people, like to Jim and to Spock and to

2029
01:25:52.739 --> 01:25:53.699
somebody else.

2030
01:25:53.760 --> 01:25:55.560
You could learn so much, couldn't you?

2031
01:25:55.619 --> 01:25:59.760
But then if it then went somewhere, like this is hurting people in

2032
01:25:59.760 --> 01:26:04.680
the long term or doing something to them, you know, negative, like

2033
01:26:04.680 --> 01:26:06.300
really negative, not a positive, right?

2034
01:26:06.359 --> 01:26:07.859
Now, see, look, they're watching.

2035
01:26:07.920 --> 01:26:09.420
They're watching this happen.

2036
01:26:09.479 --> 01:26:10.500
So they definitely see it.

2037
01:26:10.560 --> 01:26:12.359
They're watching this between...

2038
01:26:12.359 --> 01:26:14.220
They're not seeing the old man on the bed.

2039
01:26:14.340 --> 01:26:15.359
Yeah, you're right. right.

2040
01:26:15.420 --> 01:26:18.659
But he is at least talking to them. you know, with with Johan.

2041
01:26:18.720 --> 01:26:21.720
It was just, you know, he gives him a hug and takes his pain

2042
01:26:21.720 --> 01:26:22.079
away.

2043
01:26:22.140 --> 01:26:27.239
Here we have some dialogue where he explains why he did, he did

2044
01:26:27.239 --> 01:26:27.899
okay.

2045
01:26:27.960 --> 01:26:29.399
See, I hide no pain.

2046
01:26:29.460 --> 01:26:32.100
Like, I would just, yeah, let's do it.

2047
01:26:32.159 --> 01:26:33.960
So we do do it to him.

2048
01:26:34.020 --> 01:26:39.479
And what I think is interesting is that, and it plays into the

2049
01:26:39.479 --> 01:26:39.779
theme.

2050
01:26:39.840 --> 01:26:42.659
The reason it does work on McCoy, right?

2051
01:26:42.720 --> 01:26:45.539
McCoy has, he's been, he's been given the shit.

2052
01:26:46.020 --> 01:26:46.500
Right?

2053
01:26:46.560 --> 01:26:48.300
Now we get to see Spock.

2054
01:26:48.359 --> 01:26:52.979
And Spock says to Cybock, yeah, but I'm not that.

2055
01:26:53.039 --> 01:26:56.939
I'm not the foundling, like the lost boy, the, the, I can't

2056
01:26:56.939 --> 01:26:57.960
remember the dialogue exactly.

2057
01:26:58.020 --> 01:26:59.579
Yeah, I know.

2058
01:26:59.640 --> 01:27:02.939
It's not Jane Wyman. all good scenes, right?

2059
01:27:03.000 --> 01:27:04.619
Yeah, these are not movie scenes.

2060
01:27:04.680 --> 01:27:05.939
These are episode scenes.

2061
01:27:06.060 --> 01:27:07.380
There's just a few people in a room.

2062
01:27:07.500 --> 01:27:09.119
Where's the spectacle to this?

2063
01:27:09.960 --> 01:27:15.479
But I think, so what this is, though, is the reason that this

2064
01:27:15.479 --> 01:27:20.340
doesn't work on Spock is because Spock isn't an outsider anymore

2065
01:27:20.340 --> 01:27:21.720
like he was as a child.

2066
01:27:21.840 --> 01:27:26.640
He doesn't feel the sting of Sarik's rejection. because he has

2067
01:27:26.640 --> 01:27:29.760
McCoy and Kirk.

2068
01:27:29.819 --> 01:27:30.720
Do you know what I mean?

2069
01:27:30.779 --> 01:27:33.779
And so it doesn't work on him because he doesn't feel like he's a

2070
01:27:33.779 --> 01:27:34.319
reject.

2071
01:27:34.380 --> 01:27:37.680
This is his father rejecting him for being too human, that doesn't

2072
01:27:37.680 --> 01:27:41.699
sting for Spock anymore because he's got sequence where they were

2073
01:27:41.699 --> 01:27:44.100
flying up and down in the shaft a minute ago.

2074
01:27:44.159 --> 01:27:48.840
And then McCoy doesn't go with Cybok either, even though he's been

2075
01:27:48.840 --> 01:27:51.479
helped by Cybok because there's something more important than

2076
01:27:51.479 --> 01:27:51.720
that.

2077
01:27:51.779 --> 01:27:54.420
And it's that relationship between the 3 of them.

2078
01:27:54.479 --> 01:27:57.239
And so, you know, like, I think it does get somewhere.

2079
01:27:57.300 --> 01:28:00.960
It's probably the most interesting thing in the movie, yeah, these

2080
01:28:00.960 --> 01:28:01.680
sequences.

2081
01:28:01.739 --> 01:28:02.220
Yeah.

2082
01:28:02.279 --> 01:28:04.380
I just don't think they belong in a movie.

2083
01:28:04.439 --> 01:28:07.020
And I think watching them now with you, I'm seeing them.

2084
01:28:07.079 --> 01:28:10.500
And that's good, but I just think that, okay, this is great, but

2085
01:28:10.500 --> 01:28:14.159
could it have been housed in something else around it to make it

2086
01:28:14.159 --> 01:28:19.920
really impactful as a crux for the main part of the movie or the

2087
01:28:19.920 --> 01:28:21.899
you know, solving the problem or whatever?

2088
01:28:21.960 --> 01:28:23.939
like that would have been brilliant.

2089
01:28:24.000 --> 01:28:28.739
Yeah, I think, because I think too, what ends up happening is that

2090
01:28:28.739 --> 01:28:31.199
we just go with them to the bridge and it doesn't solve the

2091
01:28:31.199 --> 01:28:31.500
problem.

2092
01:28:31.560 --> 01:28:33.300
This doesn't solve the problem.

2093
01:28:33.359 --> 01:28:36.359
After this, we all just wander off to the bridge and just stand

2094
01:28:36.359 --> 01:28:38.699
there while he does what he was going to do anyway.

2095
01:28:38.760 --> 01:28:39.840
Do you know what I mean?

2096
01:28:39.899 --> 01:28:43.380
This isn't them deciding to fight back or anything like that.

2097
01:28:43.439 --> 01:28:46.680
It's not them deciding that what cybot can give us is nothing

2098
01:28:46.680 --> 01:28:50.520
compared to what we give each other, which is what we discover, but

2099
01:28:50.520 --> 01:28:52.800
that doesn't end up pushing the plot along.

2100
01:28:52.859 --> 01:28:58.920
It just needs to be linked into the denouement or whatever, and it

2101
01:28:58.920 --> 01:29:01.800
could actually be far more impactful and just help this movie

2102
01:29:01.800 --> 01:29:02.100
along.

2103
01:29:02.159 --> 01:29:03.119
Yeah, I agree.

2104
01:29:03.119 --> 01:29:05.159
No one stitched it all together, did they?

2105
01:29:05.220 --> 01:29:08.399
No one thought of a through line with all of this.

2106
01:29:08.460 --> 01:29:11.640
What you said at the start told about this just being a series of

2107
01:29:11.640 --> 01:29:17.159
sort of unconnected bits and pieces. it's true Look at the

2108
01:29:17.159 --> 01:29:19.319
galactic barrier through the through the window.

2109
01:29:19.380 --> 01:29:20.039
That looks pretty great.

2110
01:29:20.100 --> 01:29:21.180
Sorry, the Great Barrier.

2111
01:29:21.239 --> 01:29:22.439
The Great Barrier?

2112
01:29:22.500 --> 01:29:23.640
The Great Barrier.

2113
01:29:23.699 --> 01:29:26.039
There is a huge distinction between the two.

2114
01:29:26.100 --> 01:29:26.699
Okay.

2115
01:29:26.819 --> 01:29:27.720
Yeah, yeah.

2116
01:29:27.779 --> 01:29:28.560
Yeah.

2117
01:29:29.340 --> 01:29:31.439
I cannot go with it.

2118
01:29:31.500 --> 01:29:34.500
Yeah, see, like, I like that.

2119
01:29:34.560 --> 01:29:39.659
And then then McCoy also realises like he's had happened to him

2120
01:29:39.659 --> 01:29:42.659
exactly what happened to Ahura, but he doesn't go with Cybok

2121
01:29:42.659 --> 01:29:43.020
either.

2122
01:29:43.079 --> 01:29:45.180
Because he's got something better.

2123
01:29:45.779 --> 01:29:48.779
Plus, they're the big 3 so they can resist.

2124
01:29:48.840 --> 01:29:50.159
Yeah, yeah, well, that's right.

2125
01:29:50.220 --> 01:29:51.060
They're the main characters.

2126
01:29:51.539 --> 01:29:55.140
You'll never make it through the Great Barrier.

2127
01:29:55.199 --> 01:29:58.439
Well, I hate to tell you, but it's going to be pretty easy.

2128
01:29:58.680 --> 01:30:00.779
Yeah, that's right.

2129
01:30:00.840 --> 01:30:03.239
It's so it's such a nothing.

2130
01:30:03.300 --> 01:30:04.439
They must have just cut stuff out.

2131
01:30:04.500 --> 01:30:05.819
Yeah, I think they must have.

2132
01:30:06.119 --> 01:30:09.180
I think it was a really shitty special show.

2133
01:30:09.720 --> 01:30:12.239
No, no, no, it was butchered in the editing room.

2134
01:30:12.300 --> 01:30:15.000
He does have the look of a villain's sidebalk, doesn't he?

2135
01:30:15.060 --> 01:30:16.140
You've got a great look.

2136
01:30:16.199 --> 01:30:17.340
He does.

2137
01:30:17.460 --> 01:30:19.979
I think the original runtime was much longer and they needed to

2138
01:30:19.979 --> 01:30:21.479
cut it to this one hour 45.

2139
01:30:21.659 --> 01:30:22.500
Okay.

2140
01:30:22.560 --> 01:30:22.979
Yeah.

2141
01:30:23.039 --> 01:30:23.699
Yeah.

2142
01:30:23.760 --> 01:30:25.260
I mean that's long enough.

2143
01:30:25.319 --> 01:30:26.880
Yeah, oh yeah.

2144
01:30:26.939 --> 01:30:27.600
Oh, wait.

2145
01:30:27.720 --> 01:30:29.460
Yeah, look at that.

2146
01:30:29.520 --> 01:30:34.260
Look how terrible that is. really looks like the animated series

2147
01:30:34.260 --> 01:30:34.739
doesn't it?

2148
01:30:34.800 --> 01:30:35.819
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

2149
01:30:35.819 --> 01:30:41.399
Oh, no.

2150
01:30:42.060 --> 01:30:43.920
Oh my god.

2151
01:30:43.979 --> 01:30:47.159
The edge of the Great Barrier, the centre of the universe.

2152
01:30:47.220 --> 01:30:49.560
No ship can survive this.

2153
01:30:54.119 --> 01:30:57.840
Maybe they're going to spend all the money on how they realise God

2154
01:30:57.840 --> 01:30:59.279
at the end of the movie.

2155
01:30:59.340 --> 01:31:00.840
Oh wait.

2156
01:31:01.199 --> 01:31:04.859
Now that looks like the opening of the never ending story.

2157
01:31:04.979 --> 01:31:10.739
It looks like, you know, you put the oil on the on ink and oil, a

2158
01:31:10.739 --> 01:31:12.600
new marble paper in primary school.

2159
01:31:12.659 --> 01:31:15.119
I'd rather imagine that's what it is, actually.

2160
01:31:15.239 --> 01:31:16.619
Yeah, he probably is.

2161
01:31:16.739 --> 01:31:18.239
Doctor Who and the Daleks.

2162
01:31:18.300 --> 01:31:19.079
Yes, yeah.

2163
01:31:19.079 --> 01:31:20.039
The movie.

2164
01:31:20.100 --> 01:31:20.880
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

2165
01:31:20.939 --> 01:31:23.579
Where they just pour paint into a mixer or something.

2166
01:31:23.640 --> 01:31:24.779
Oh wait, wait, we're getting there.

2167
01:31:24.840 --> 01:31:27.840
What do you imagine the special effects people did with the rest

2168
01:31:27.840 --> 01:31:28.319
of the money?

2169
01:31:28.439 --> 01:31:30.659
I don't know, drank it.

2170
01:31:30.720 --> 01:31:32.699
So snorted it.

2171
01:31:32.760 --> 01:31:33.600
It was the 80s.

2172
01:31:33.659 --> 01:31:34.979
They stuck it up their nose.

2173
01:31:35.520 --> 01:31:38.340
This is very never ending story.

2174
01:31:38.399 --> 01:31:39.180
Look at this.

2175
01:31:39.239 --> 01:31:39.659
Yeah, yeah.

2176
01:31:39.659 --> 01:31:43.739
Okay, so we're now through The Great Barrier.

2177
01:31:43.800 --> 01:31:44.760
So that was nothing.

2178
01:31:44.819 --> 01:31:48.359
That was like 20 seconds, 30 seconds, and that's it.

2179
01:31:48.420 --> 01:31:51.300
Shit, there's been no second.

2180
01:31:51.420 --> 01:31:54.420
No one no, threw themselves across the set or anything.

2181
01:31:54.539 --> 01:31:58.380
See, I think that needed to be a tough thing to do.

2182
01:31:58.439 --> 01:31:59.699
Yes, that's the other thing.

2183
01:31:59.760 --> 01:32:00.779
There's no obstacles.

2184
01:32:00.840 --> 01:32:01.859
Jeopardy.

2185
01:32:01.920 --> 01:32:03.600
Yeah, yeah, yeah. no obstacles.

2186
01:32:03.659 --> 01:32:05.939
It's so linear. like literally nothing happens.

2187
01:32:06.000 --> 01:32:07.500
He takes over the thing.

2188
01:32:07.560 --> 01:32:08.640
The enterprise comes.

2189
01:32:08.699 --> 01:32:10.020
He takes over the enterprise.

2190
01:32:10.079 --> 01:32:14.159
He goes to Shakaree, he meets God, and then it all goes.

2191
01:32:14.220 --> 01:32:15.180
We went through this barrier.

2192
01:32:15.239 --> 01:32:20.460
Why couldn't it be like generations and they go through to, where

2193
01:32:20.460 --> 01:32:22.140
do they go to there with Olivia Hack?

2194
01:32:22.260 --> 01:32:23.939
They go to...

2195
01:32:23.939 --> 01:32:24.720
The Nexus?

2196
01:32:25.439 --> 01:32:30.479
That's pretty lousy as well. at least there's some damage.

2197
01:32:30.539 --> 01:32:35.819
But I was actually thinking that maybe those, um, those weird

2198
01:32:35.819 --> 01:32:41.340
sequences, those were doing the same job, that terrible nexus, that

2199
01:32:41.340 --> 01:32:43.800
terrible nexus vision so bad.

2200
01:32:44.699 --> 01:32:48.300
Trouble is, they're all there going, my God, it's incredible

2201
01:32:48.300 --> 01:32:50.279
amazing, sort of looking out the screen.

2202
01:32:50.340 --> 01:32:52.800
But if the special effects don't actually reflect that.

2203
01:32:52.859 --> 01:32:54.960
No.

2204
01:32:54.960 --> 01:32:55.859
Well, you can't even see it.

2205
01:32:55.920 --> 01:32:56.520
Do you know what I mean?

2206
01:32:56.579 --> 01:32:58.979
They're all talking about it, but the camera's in front of it, like

2207
01:32:58.979 --> 01:33:01.260
between us and the viewscreen or whatever.

2208
01:33:01.319 --> 01:33:04.199
They're all seeing something slightly different. like Eden

2209
01:33:04.199 --> 01:33:04.439
whatever.

2210
01:33:04.500 --> 01:33:05.460
Okay.

2211
01:33:05.699 --> 01:33:08.340
How many reaction shots can you get?

2212
01:33:08.399 --> 01:33:10.680
We've only got 15 seconds of special effects.

2213
01:33:10.800 --> 01:33:12.960
David Warner looks like a vicar.

2214
01:33:13.020 --> 01:33:13.920
Look at that outfit.

2215
01:33:14.399 --> 01:33:17.579
And that Romulan woman looks like she's going to some party, like

2216
01:33:17.579 --> 01:33:18.300
Oscar's party.

2217
01:33:18.359 --> 01:33:19.739
Yeah, she does, does she?

2218
01:33:19.800 --> 01:33:21.000
But not for this movie.

2219
01:33:21.060 --> 01:33:23.039
Well, she's a model as well.

2220
01:33:23.100 --> 01:33:24.180
The actress.

2221
01:33:24.239 --> 01:33:25.560
She's an actress and a model.

2222
01:33:25.619 --> 01:33:26.460
She's got multiple talent.

2223
01:33:26.520 --> 01:33:27.420
She does, Nathan.

2224
01:33:27.479 --> 01:33:32.520
Well, she hasn't shown much. sort of bizarre commentary on this is

2225
01:33:32.520 --> 01:33:34.199
how easy it is to find gold.

2226
01:33:34.319 --> 01:33:36.659
Yeah, no, they do say that.

2227
01:33:36.720 --> 01:33:40.319
They do say... why is it so easy?

2228
01:33:40.380 --> 01:33:42.659
They're the 1st people to ever try, apparently.

2229
01:33:42.779 --> 01:33:47.039
Because the galactic, the, damn it, the great barrier is so

2230
01:33:47.039 --> 01:33:47.460
scary.

2231
01:33:52.680 --> 01:33:56.159
Oh, and now God's a busy man.

2232
01:33:56.220 --> 01:33:57.180
Let's go.

2233
01:33:57.239 --> 01:33:59.039
That's a good Lord.

2234
01:33:59.100 --> 01:34:00.119
Yeah.

2235
01:34:00.180 --> 01:34:04.859
I actually think too, that what does God want with a starship?

2236
01:34:04.859 --> 01:34:07.319
And everyone thinks that's a really cheesy hokey line.

2237
01:34:07.380 --> 01:34:12.000
It's the moment where he realised that this can't be God.

2238
01:34:12.060 --> 01:34:15.840
If it's God, why does he want my starship?

2239
01:34:15.899 --> 01:34:16.619
Do you know what?

2240
01:34:16.680 --> 01:34:20.760
It reminds me in the back of my memory of a Space 199 episode.

2241
01:34:20.819 --> 01:34:22.979
Isn't there a fake god on a planet in that?

2242
01:34:23.039 --> 01:34:25.260
Oh, that's a bunch of them.

2243
01:34:25.319 --> 01:34:27.720
That's nearly every episode in series one.

2244
01:34:27.779 --> 01:34:30.119
But I'm just saying it's 1976, is it?

2245
01:34:30.539 --> 01:34:31.800
Are we doing this again?

2246
01:34:31.859 --> 01:34:34.680
We've just had a load of reaction shots of them going through the

2247
01:34:34.680 --> 01:34:35.399
Great Barrier.

2248
01:34:35.460 --> 01:34:38.279
Now we've got a load of reaction shots with them going onto the

2249
01:34:38.279 --> 01:34:40.079
planet. this pink planet.

2250
01:34:40.140 --> 01:34:42.720
They just don't want to move this thing on, did I?

2251
01:34:42.779 --> 01:34:44.460
No, no.

2252
01:34:44.520 --> 01:34:45.539
We're looking.

2253
01:34:45.539 --> 01:34:46.500
Uh-oh.

2254
01:34:46.560 --> 01:34:48.180
No, I don't know control.

2255
01:34:48.659 --> 01:34:49.560
Oh, they're God.

2256
01:34:49.680 --> 01:34:52.739
He's taking control of Jesus, take the wheel.

2257
01:34:52.859 --> 01:34:53.220
Yeah.

2258
01:34:53.520 --> 01:34:55.739
But do we have a phone?

2259
01:34:55.800 --> 01:34:56.640
I can't remember.

2260
01:34:56.699 --> 01:34:58.140
Even though I watched this last week.

2261
01:34:58.199 --> 01:35:00.060
Did we actually find out what the god entity was?

2262
01:35:00.119 --> 01:35:03.060
Well, I think...

2263
01:35:03.060 --> 01:35:03.659
No.

2264
01:35:03.720 --> 01:35:06.300
It's been Spanish, but it's always been trapped there by

2265
01:35:06.300 --> 01:35:06.539
something.

2266
01:35:06.539 --> 01:35:08.100
Yeah, yeah. because it can't get out.

2267
01:35:08.159 --> 01:35:09.060
No that's right.

2268
01:35:09.119 --> 01:35:09.960
Thus, it must be evil.

2269
01:35:10.079 --> 01:35:11.699
It's open to interpretation.

2270
01:35:11.760 --> 01:35:12.600
Look at this.

2271
01:35:12.659 --> 01:35:14.220
That looks terrible.

2272
01:35:14.279 --> 01:35:16.079
That's...

2273
01:35:16.079 --> 01:35:17.579
It's like V the mini system.

2274
01:35:17.640 --> 01:35:18.479
Purple.

2275
01:35:18.539 --> 01:35:21.180
Don't you insult feed a miniseries?

2276
01:35:21.779 --> 01:35:23.100
Oh, no, no, no.

2277
01:35:23.100 --> 01:35:25.140
I absolutely love V.

2278
01:35:25.199 --> 01:35:28.979
Everything to do with it, but sometimes the shuttles landing to

2279
01:35:28.979 --> 01:35:30.119
look a bit hokey.

2280
01:35:30.239 --> 01:35:33.600
But look how warm this thing is.

2281
01:35:33.659 --> 01:35:38.640
Like, that is Shatner who hasn't had his brain melted by Cybogg.

2282
01:35:38.699 --> 01:35:39.539
Nice shot.

2283
01:35:39.600 --> 01:35:43.020
Hasn't had his brain mounted by Cybok agreeing to not take weapons

2284
01:35:43.020 --> 01:35:43.319
with him.

2285
01:35:43.439 --> 01:35:45.239
Now we're on the Copernicus, is it?

2286
01:35:45.300 --> 01:35:45.840
Yep, yep.

2287
01:35:45.899 --> 01:35:49.979
Because we could be, he could have shot God. imagine that.

2288
01:35:50.039 --> 01:35:51.600
Cybox has had a haircut.

2289
01:35:51.720 --> 01:35:54.119
That...

2290
01:35:54.119 --> 01:35:55.380
Mr. Mott.

2291
01:35:55.439 --> 01:35:58.140
He was working on this...

2292
01:35:58.140 --> 01:35:59.699
On the way to...

2293
01:35:59.760 --> 01:36:02.399
His hair was enormous before.

2294
01:36:02.699 --> 01:36:04.439
God sakes.

2295
01:36:04.439 --> 01:36:05.640
No, Johan.

2296
01:36:05.699 --> 01:36:07.319
Chahan gave him a haircut.

2297
01:36:07.439 --> 01:36:08.880
Maybe this was one of the re shoes.

2298
01:36:08.939 --> 01:36:12.300
Yeah. does actually make him look a bit younger, doesn't it?

2299
01:36:12.359 --> 01:36:13.380
It does.

2300
01:36:13.439 --> 01:36:14.399
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

2301
01:36:14.460 --> 01:36:15.779
Bills not happy about that.

2302
01:36:15.840 --> 01:36:16.979
No.

2303
01:36:16.979 --> 01:36:21.239
Somebody, and we're just looking at some rocks.

2304
01:36:21.300 --> 01:36:22.500
Oh, look rock.

2305
01:36:22.500 --> 01:36:24.000
And these guys are looking at things too.

2306
01:36:24.060 --> 01:36:29.100
But they all, and then we've placed our what, our, our ham

2307
01:36:29.100 --> 01:36:29.460
quarter?

2308
01:36:29.460 --> 01:36:31.800
What's taking that shot?

2309
01:36:31.859 --> 01:36:32.399
Exactly.

2310
01:36:33.539 --> 01:36:36.000
Is this where we show arena?

2311
01:36:36.060 --> 01:36:36.659
Is this there?

2312
01:36:36.720 --> 01:36:37.739
No.

2313
01:36:38.039 --> 01:36:43.199
I think this is just where they were for Paradise Village or

2314
01:36:43.199 --> 01:36:43.800
whatever it was called.

2315
01:36:43.859 --> 01:36:44.520
What was it called?

2316
01:36:44.579 --> 01:36:47.220
Paradise City. the same desert, doesn't it?

2317
01:36:47.279 --> 01:36:47.880
It does.

2318
01:36:47.939 --> 01:36:51.600
Oh, God, we're going into it and it's not going to be stock cave

2319
01:36:51.600 --> 01:36:52.380
set, is it?

2320
01:36:52.380 --> 01:36:53.220
in Paramount.

2321
01:36:53.399 --> 01:36:54.779
Yes.

2322
01:36:54.840 --> 01:36:56.100
We will go.

2323
01:36:56.159 --> 01:36:57.779
We will go to a paint.

2324
01:36:57.840 --> 01:36:58.500
Well that's true.

2325
01:36:58.560 --> 01:36:59.159
Yeah.

2326
01:36:59.220 --> 01:37:01.560
Hopefully with some movie licing, though.

2327
01:37:05.039 --> 01:37:09.960
We're picking our way very, very slowly around this mountain, for

2328
01:37:09.960 --> 01:37:10.680
God's sake.

2329
01:37:10.739 --> 01:37:14.939
Joe, it felt less slow when I was watching it by myself.

2330
01:37:15.000 --> 01:37:16.979
I don't know why it feels so slow.

2331
01:37:17.039 --> 01:37:18.840
You weren't having to think of things to say.

2332
01:37:19.020 --> 01:37:22.140
It's like, oh, my God, my phone a bit as well.

2333
01:37:22.199 --> 01:37:24.539
All these people are still standing here.

2334
01:37:25.020 --> 01:37:25.859
Where are the crisps?

2335
01:37:25.979 --> 01:37:26.939
There's Melanie.

2336
01:37:27.000 --> 01:37:27.960
There's Melanie.

2337
01:37:28.020 --> 01:37:29.039
Still looking at the thing.

2338
01:37:29.100 --> 01:37:30.960
John, dad, to come back.

2339
01:37:31.020 --> 01:37:31.739
There's Johan.

2340
01:37:31.800 --> 01:37:33.840
Jehan and Melanie are dating.

2341
01:37:33.899 --> 01:37:36.239
Days of reaction shots.

2342
01:37:36.300 --> 01:37:36.779
Did they shoot?

2343
01:37:36.899 --> 01:37:39.000
The William Hartnell title.

2344
01:37:39.060 --> 01:37:42.840
Now we're going very slowly to wolf this screen for some reason.

2345
01:37:42.899 --> 01:37:43.920
But wait for it.

2346
01:37:43.979 --> 01:37:45.119
Oh, my God.

2347
01:37:45.180 --> 01:37:46.380
Klingons are coming on there.

2348
01:37:46.439 --> 01:37:48.600
Stunning animation.

2349
01:37:48.659 --> 01:37:49.859
Nobody's looking at that.

2350
01:37:49.920 --> 01:37:52.619
No, no one ship inside a box.

2351
01:37:52.739 --> 01:37:54.720
We're so mesmerised.

2352
01:37:54.899 --> 01:37:58.500
Oh, okay, we're going downhill, so we just tilted the camera.

2353
01:37:58.560 --> 01:38:00.479
Yes, I think you might be right.

2354
01:38:00.539 --> 01:38:01.560
I think you might be right.

2355
01:38:01.619 --> 01:38:03.960
And we've got a pink filter.

2356
01:38:04.020 --> 01:38:04.800
Everything's pink.

2357
01:38:04.859 --> 01:38:06.060
Which is fine.

2358
01:38:06.119 --> 01:38:07.680
It's something, isn't it?

2359
01:38:07.739 --> 01:38:09.420
It's space thing.

2360
01:38:09.479 --> 01:38:11.220
It's a joke now.

2361
01:38:11.220 --> 01:38:11.760
Where we going?

2362
01:38:11.819 --> 01:38:13.199
Where the hell is gold?

2363
01:38:13.260 --> 01:38:13.920
Is he here?

2364
01:38:13.979 --> 01:38:14.699
Yeah.

2365
01:38:14.760 --> 01:38:16.020
I thought God was everywhere.

2366
01:38:19.079 --> 01:38:20.819
Now, God's about to appear.

2367
01:38:20.880 --> 01:38:22.260
God is about to appear.

2368
01:38:22.319 --> 01:38:25.739
But apparently, wasn't he supposed to originally have been the

2369
01:38:25.739 --> 01:38:27.899
Klingon chancellor and then they bumped him up to God?

2370
01:38:27.960 --> 01:38:28.800
Yes.

2371
01:38:28.859 --> 01:38:33.960
So the guy who plays God is George Murdoch, who played Admiral

2372
01:38:33.960 --> 01:38:36.180
Hanson in Best of Both Worlds.

2373
01:38:37.560 --> 01:38:40.319
And you can see that now that I've told you that, you will be able

2374
01:38:40.319 --> 01:38:43.199
to see that. in a much more rewarding role.

2375
01:38:43.260 --> 01:38:47.279
Remember, he was talking to Picard about Shelby and then he was in

2376
01:38:47.279 --> 01:38:48.000
the Battle of Police.

2377
01:38:48.060 --> 01:38:50.520
Is he the one that he's on the ship that Writer was supposed to be

2378
01:38:50.520 --> 01:38:51.060
the captain of?

2379
01:38:51.119 --> 01:38:53.880
No, no, no, the Melbourne.

2380
01:38:53.939 --> 01:38:58.319
No, he, um, but he does, he does FaceTime them from the Battle of

2381
01:38:58.319 --> 01:39:00.300
Will 359 and gets killed.

2382
01:39:00.359 --> 01:39:02.760
I do love those little communication.

2383
01:39:02.819 --> 01:39:04.079
Yeah, they're awesome, aren't they?

2384
01:39:05.100 --> 01:39:12.119
Do you remember that Anson Mount Christopher Pike talks about the

2385
01:39:12.119 --> 01:39:12.720
flip thing?

2386
01:39:12.779 --> 01:39:15.779
Like when they see that, yeah, the flip thing.

2387
01:39:15.840 --> 01:39:16.439
That's the best thing.

2388
01:39:16.500 --> 01:39:17.279
That's the best beer.

2389
01:39:17.340 --> 01:39:20.039
When Boimless doesn't flip.

2390
01:39:20.939 --> 01:39:22.739
Oh, here we go.

2391
01:39:22.800 --> 01:39:24.779
It's all about to happen.

2392
01:39:24.899 --> 01:39:28.319
Okay, so we are going to move into the set for this part.

2393
01:39:28.380 --> 01:39:30.479
Bloody cave already.

2394
01:39:30.539 --> 01:39:31.439
Yeah, yeah.

2395
01:39:31.500 --> 01:39:35.699
So it's going to be dark so that we can go away from this

2396
01:39:35.699 --> 01:39:42.239
expensive location into the Paramount studios and here we go.

2397
01:39:42.300 --> 01:39:45.779
Oh, what the hell was going on here with these great things coming

2398
01:39:45.779 --> 01:39:46.619
out of the floor?

2399
01:39:46.680 --> 01:39:48.960
I know, thrusting out of the floor.

2400
01:39:49.020 --> 01:39:52.380
So, the Jodie Witterkatardist.

2401
01:39:52.439 --> 01:39:53.699
Sorry there we go.

2402
01:39:53.760 --> 01:39:56.220
No, wow, no. not too dissimilar.

2403
01:39:56.279 --> 01:39:56.880
Oh, dear.

2404
01:39:56.880 --> 01:39:59.520
Oh, that's all wobbling a bit, aren't they, as they come out?

2405
01:39:59.579 --> 01:40:06.000
So it is, it does end up looking like a ribcage, and it looks like

2406
01:40:06.000 --> 01:40:08.939
they're sort of trapped in this cage, and then later on apparently

2407
01:40:08.939 --> 01:40:11.340
they were all going to turn into rock monsters and attack people.

2408
01:40:11.399 --> 01:40:13.680
Have you seen the roster?

2409
01:40:13.739 --> 01:40:17.039
No, no, no, it was supposed to be an army, but they only built one

2410
01:40:17.039 --> 01:40:19.380
and then decided, no, this isn't working.

2411
01:40:19.439 --> 01:40:21.180
Let's not do it.

2412
01:40:21.239 --> 01:40:22.920
So these hands.

2413
01:40:22.979 --> 01:40:23.880
Do you know what I mean?

2414
01:40:23.939 --> 01:40:25.439
And that that's weird.

2415
01:40:25.500 --> 01:40:27.779
Like, that's the sort of thing that you want, I think, in Star

2416
01:40:27.779 --> 01:40:28.260
Trek.

2417
01:40:28.319 --> 01:40:31.140
If you're going to meet God, it's going to be weird and strange.

2418
01:40:31.199 --> 01:40:34.380
You know, if they all turn into rock monsters and we're after him

2419
01:40:34.380 --> 01:40:40.859
that would actually add to the actual...

2420
01:40:40.920 --> 01:40:41.220
Yeah.

2421
01:40:41.220 --> 01:40:41.640
Yeah.

2422
01:40:41.699 --> 01:40:44.340
And have a few more of them down there that actually have to

2423
01:40:44.340 --> 01:40:45.720
escape them and deal with them.

2424
01:40:45.779 --> 01:40:49.800
But again, what has to happen is that the gym has to be left alone

2425
01:40:49.800 --> 01:40:53.159
because we had that earlier line about how I'm going to die

2426
01:40:53.159 --> 01:40:53.640
alone.

2427
01:40:53.699 --> 01:40:58.979
And of course, what happens is his friends who love him, uh, you

2428
01:40:58.979 --> 01:41:02.039
know, making sure that he gets rescued, which is what always

2429
01:41:02.039 --> 01:41:02.340
happens.

2430
01:41:02.399 --> 01:41:04.920
We're not supposed to believe Nathan, he was going to die at the

2431
01:41:04.920 --> 01:41:08.520
hands of some ghastly Jabelite rock monster, are we?

2432
01:41:08.579 --> 01:41:09.840
Well, no.

2433
01:41:09.899 --> 01:41:13.680
But don't we have god firing beams at him or something like later

2434
01:41:13.680 --> 01:41:14.279
appearing?

2435
01:41:14.340 --> 01:41:15.720
Look, it's all part of the story.

2436
01:41:15.779 --> 01:41:17.699
Thanks, William.

2437
01:41:17.760 --> 01:41:21.659
I mean, I will say, for 15 minutes of just watching people react

2438
01:41:21.659 --> 01:41:22.619
to nothing.

2439
01:41:22.680 --> 01:41:24.119
Those things coming out of the ground.

2440
01:41:24.180 --> 01:41:26.460
Word genuinely dynamic.

2441
01:41:26.520 --> 01:41:27.479
No, he's God.

2442
01:41:27.539 --> 01:41:28.680
He's George Murdoch.

2443
01:41:29.039 --> 01:41:30.779
See, that looks great.

2444
01:41:30.840 --> 01:41:32.399
And there's a beam.

2445
01:41:32.460 --> 01:41:35.399
Everything. looks expensive.

2446
01:41:35.699 --> 01:41:37.619
I wouldn't go that far.

2447
01:41:37.680 --> 01:41:39.659
No, it doesn't look expensive.

2448
01:41:39.720 --> 01:41:40.560
It looks incredibly cheap.

2449
01:41:43.439 --> 01:41:45.539
More reactions.

2450
01:41:45.600 --> 01:41:46.739
War reaction.

2451
01:41:46.859 --> 01:41:48.119
Jesus Christ.

2452
01:41:48.180 --> 01:41:51.060
We're just changing the light every time.

2453
01:41:51.060 --> 01:41:52.020
You need to react.

2454
01:41:52.079 --> 01:41:54.180
It's a great special effect, react.

2455
01:41:54.180 --> 01:41:57.600
My God. one voice Many faces.

2456
01:41:57.659 --> 01:41:59.340
Shazam.

2457
01:41:59.399 --> 01:42:02.039
What the heck?

2458
01:42:02.460 --> 01:42:04.140
Klingon.

2459
01:42:04.199 --> 01:42:08.039
It's gods of all kinds, and now there's George Murdoch, who is our

2460
01:42:08.039 --> 01:42:10.500
sort of god with a big beard and stuff.

2461
01:42:10.979 --> 01:42:11.760
Well, I'm disappointed.

2462
01:42:11.819 --> 01:42:14.640
I don't know about you boys, but I'm a bit disappointed if that's

2463
01:42:14.640 --> 01:42:14.880
good.

2464
01:42:14.939 --> 01:42:16.260
If that's gone?

2465
01:42:16.439 --> 01:42:18.300
Yeah, yeah.

2466
01:42:18.779 --> 01:42:20.819
You know what, come out.

2467
01:42:20.880 --> 01:42:23.159
If it's Doctor Who to be wrestle on.

2468
01:42:24.119 --> 01:42:26.460
Imagine if he popped out now.

2469
01:42:26.520 --> 01:42:28.979
This is the goo of Rosalond.

2470
01:42:29.579 --> 01:42:31.260
More exciting.

2471
01:42:31.319 --> 01:42:33.060
It might liven it up, yeah.

2472
01:42:33.119 --> 01:42:35.939
Yeah, this, the journey you undertook to reach me could not have

2473
01:42:35.939 --> 01:42:37.500
been an easy one.

2474
01:42:37.560 --> 01:42:39.840
It was very... fucking easy.

2475
01:42:42.119 --> 01:42:45.239
We just stood around for 15 minutes.

2476
01:42:45.300 --> 01:42:46.140
You just fine me.

2477
01:42:46.199 --> 01:42:47.159
The first.

2478
01:42:47.220 --> 01:42:47.640
Yeah.

2479
01:42:48.000 --> 01:42:53.880
And so clearly the barrier is there to keep him in, right?

2480
01:42:53.939 --> 01:42:58.079
Because he's some evil entity that's been deliberately imprisoned

2481
01:42:58.079 --> 01:43:01.500
here in the centre of the galaxy, and the barrier has been put

2482
01:43:01.500 --> 01:43:02.579
around to keep him in.

2483
01:43:02.640 --> 01:43:03.899
He's...

2484
01:43:03.899 --> 01:43:06.960
Like the lion from...

2485
01:43:06.960 --> 01:43:07.859
The wizardly lion.

2486
01:43:07.920 --> 01:43:10.439
He said, how did you breach the barrier?

2487
01:43:10.500 --> 01:43:11.520
Well, we just came through it.

2488
01:43:12.239 --> 01:43:14.579
Very slowly.

2489
01:43:15.060 --> 01:43:18.060
But this, I would like to ask a question.

2490
01:43:18.119 --> 01:43:19.500
Why do you want to shut?

2491
01:43:19.560 --> 01:43:21.840
Yeah, why is God need a starship?

2492
01:43:21.899 --> 01:43:23.159
I like that.

2493
01:43:23.159 --> 01:43:24.720
God, need with a starship.

2494
01:43:24.779 --> 01:43:26.159
Yeah perfect.

2495
01:43:26.220 --> 01:43:28.199
But he's repeating it.

2496
01:43:28.260 --> 01:43:31.140
And this is the moment where he realises it's obviously not God.

2497
01:43:31.920 --> 01:43:33.840
I'm asking a question.

2498
01:43:33.899 --> 01:43:34.319
Yeah.

2499
01:43:34.380 --> 01:43:36.359
I mean, even why did you write this script?

2500
01:43:36.420 --> 01:43:39.060
Even D thinks it's God at this point, doesn't he?

2501
01:43:39.119 --> 01:43:42.659
Because you say you don't ask the Almighty for his ID, you know?

2502
01:43:42.960 --> 01:43:44.939
But I think you should.

2503
01:43:45.000 --> 01:43:46.140
I do.

2504
01:43:46.199 --> 01:43:47.220
It's very important.

2505
01:43:48.659 --> 01:43:50.640
I seek proof.

2506
01:43:50.880 --> 01:43:54.239
You don't ask the Almighty for his ID.

2507
01:43:54.300 --> 01:43:55.979
It's such a good point.

2508
01:43:55.979 --> 01:43:57.000
Here's the proof.

2509
01:43:57.060 --> 01:43:59.460
And then that's beams out of his eyes.

2510
01:43:59.520 --> 01:44:01.439
Oh, and everybody can see it still.

2511
01:44:01.500 --> 01:44:02.640
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

2512
01:44:02.640 --> 01:44:04.140
That camera's doing a great job.

2513
01:44:04.199 --> 01:44:05.279
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

2514
01:44:05.340 --> 01:44:07.199
It's a drone Oh, okay.

2515
01:44:07.260 --> 01:44:07.560
Yeah.

2516
01:44:07.619 --> 01:44:08.039
Yeah, yeah.

2517
01:44:08.100 --> 01:44:08.640
Yeah.

2518
01:44:08.699 --> 01:44:11.220
Why is Gart angry?

2519
01:44:11.279 --> 01:44:13.920
Well, God's always kind of angry though, isn't he?

2520
01:44:13.979 --> 01:44:15.060
I mean, that's kind of the thing.

2521
01:44:15.119 --> 01:44:17.760
But again, is this critiquing religion?

2522
01:44:17.819 --> 01:44:22.739
I mean, you have a God who is depicted as smiting people and

2523
01:44:22.739 --> 01:44:27.239
punishing people and, you know, God, but he's...

2524
01:44:27.300 --> 01:44:28.439
Is it?

2525
01:44:28.500 --> 01:44:30.000
No, it's clearly not God.

2526
01:44:30.060 --> 01:44:32.819
But that was what we were looking for.

2527
01:44:32.880 --> 01:44:35.880
And then we find this, and we discover that this isn't God.

2528
01:44:35.939 --> 01:44:38.100
It looks like God, but it's not God.

2529
01:44:38.159 --> 01:44:40.619
And D now realises it too, you know.

2530
01:44:40.680 --> 01:44:43.920
I doubt any god who inflicts pain for his own pleasure.

2531
01:44:43.979 --> 01:44:47.939
I mean, I don't, but you do you, McCoy.

2532
01:44:48.000 --> 01:44:50.340
But Cybok doesn't either.

2533
01:44:50.399 --> 01:44:52.859
Now, Cybok knows that it's not God.

2534
01:44:52.920 --> 01:44:54.420
And I love.

2535
01:44:54.659 --> 01:44:59.340
I absolutely love the resolution where Cybot goes in there and

2536
01:44:59.340 --> 01:45:05.520
asks God, like what his pain is, because God is wanting to harm

2537
01:45:05.520 --> 01:45:09.600
people. against God there. is such a bad effect.

2538
01:45:11.460 --> 01:45:15.960
That is the Ferengi on the screen in the last Alpha is bad.

2539
01:45:16.020 --> 01:45:16.439
That is.

2540
01:45:21.659 --> 01:45:25.020
But I mean, you know, the shot of the god's eye view shot of Cybok

2541
01:45:25.020 --> 01:45:26.159
is pretty great, I think.

2542
01:45:26.220 --> 01:45:29.399
And then when Cybog becomes God here, I think that's pretty

2543
01:45:29.399 --> 01:45:30.000
awesome too.

2544
01:45:30.060 --> 01:45:32.819
And so he goes in and his face is himself.

2545
01:45:32.880 --> 01:45:35.340
It looks unusual.

2546
01:45:35.460 --> 01:45:36.659
Yeah.

2547
01:45:36.720 --> 01:45:37.739
Yeah, and you want that.

2548
01:45:37.800 --> 01:45:39.420
I think you want that in Star Trek.

2549
01:45:39.479 --> 01:45:44.039
And again, his performance as God is so different. to his

2550
01:45:44.039 --> 01:45:45.300
performance as Cyborg.

2551
01:45:45.359 --> 01:45:46.739
Oh yeah, he's a good actor.

2552
01:45:46.800 --> 01:45:47.220
Yeah.

2553
01:45:47.279 --> 01:45:51.060
Yeah, now he looks demonic, but yeah, doesn't he?

2554
01:45:52.619 --> 01:45:55.260
Again, though, is this big enough?

2555
01:45:55.319 --> 01:45:56.399
I mean, I know we're meeting God.

2556
01:45:56.460 --> 01:45:57.779
That's a big ending.

2557
01:45:58.319 --> 01:46:00.239
It still doesn't.

2558
01:46:00.300 --> 01:46:03.960
I mean, this could be a TNG episode. as presented.

2559
01:46:04.020 --> 01:46:08.819
I think it would be a fairly uneventful TNG episode actually as

2560
01:46:08.819 --> 01:46:09.119
well.

2561
01:46:09.180 --> 01:46:13.319
Like, I don't think there's quite enough here to sustain because

2562
01:46:13.319 --> 01:46:18.659
if you've got another 25 episodes to go, you can do more character

2563
01:46:18.659 --> 01:46:19.199
staff.

2564
01:46:19.260 --> 01:46:21.359
Is that your one line return to action?

2565
01:46:21.420 --> 01:46:24.060
Like an uneventful team.

2566
01:46:24.060 --> 01:46:28.079
You wanting a whole season where they, they're trying, they're

2567
01:46:28.079 --> 01:46:30.539
looking for God and the ship's captured and then, no, I think this

2568
01:46:30.539 --> 01:46:33.359
could get this out of the way in 40 minutes and then do a funny

2569
01:46:33.359 --> 01:46:37.560
tag at the end and, yeah, you know, say shut up data and then get

2570
01:46:37.560 --> 01:46:38.640
on to another adventure.

2571
01:46:39.600 --> 01:46:45.180
But that, I love this, where he goes to hold God and asks God to

2572
01:46:45.180 --> 01:46:45.899
share his pain.

2573
01:46:45.960 --> 01:46:48.000
Why is God torturing people?

2574
01:46:48.060 --> 01:46:49.739
Why does God want to harm everyone?

2575
01:46:49.800 --> 01:46:53.640
You know, it's because he, like everyone, has a secret pain and

2576
01:46:53.640 --> 01:46:57.060
Cybok wants to, that's what how Cybok saves us from him.

2577
01:46:57.119 --> 01:46:57.840
I think it's really good.

2578
01:46:57.899 --> 01:47:00.119
Yeah, no, I do think that's good.

2579
01:47:00.239 --> 01:47:03.060
Rottenberry was pissed, wasn't he?

2580
01:47:03.119 --> 01:47:07.140
Because this basically was a story he wanted to tell. 10 years

2581
01:47:07.140 --> 01:47:13.079
before this, and by all accounts, Shatner was with him when he

2582
01:47:13.079 --> 01:47:16.739
recounted the plot that he wanted to tell.

2583
01:47:16.739 --> 01:47:20.159
And Shatner even admitted, like, yeah, maybe some of it seeped

2584
01:47:20.159 --> 01:47:20.939
down into one.

2585
01:47:21.060 --> 01:47:21.960
I can't share that.

2586
01:47:22.020 --> 01:47:24.000
Oh of course.

2587
01:47:24.359 --> 01:47:29.159
Oh, did you watch those polystyrene boulders fall then?

2588
01:47:29.220 --> 01:47:32.159
Well, I think we're gonna, there's a rock monster's going to

2589
01:47:32.159 --> 01:47:32.340
appear.

2590
01:47:32.460 --> 01:47:34.560
This is where the rock monster would have...

2591
01:47:34.619 --> 01:47:35.579
I didn't see it.

2592
01:47:35.819 --> 01:47:37.619
No, no, no, but we just...

2593
01:47:37.680 --> 01:47:40.739
We're just going with the smoke and that, like, you know, there's

2594
01:47:40.739 --> 01:47:43.439
something coming from the... underneath.

2595
01:47:43.500 --> 01:47:44.579
Meanwhile.

2596
01:47:44.579 --> 01:47:47.760
And so there was going to be a longer sequence because obviously

2597
01:47:47.760 --> 01:47:51.840
we separate them because the transporter isn't working.

2598
01:47:52.140 --> 01:47:56.159
And Jim has them beam up and now he's on his own.

2599
01:47:56.220 --> 01:47:59.340
And because we've already said at the beginning of the episode

2600
01:47:59.340 --> 01:48:02.100
he's going to die on his own, do you know what I mean?

2601
01:48:02.159 --> 01:48:05.279
Like that's what we're meant to think of except that we've all

2602
01:48:05.279 --> 01:48:10.199
been driven insensible by, you know, 45 minutes of intervening

2603
01:48:10.199 --> 01:48:13.500
reaction shots and so we've probably forgotten.

2604
01:48:13.560 --> 01:48:17.939
But there was going to be a longer sequence where God was pursuing

2605
01:48:17.939 --> 01:48:25.380
Kirk on the surface of the planet, but the special effects were so

2606
01:48:25.380 --> 01:48:28.319
lamentably bad that they just had to cut it all.

2607
01:48:28.380 --> 01:48:32.039
I mean, I think a bit of action with rock monsters might help.

2608
01:48:32.100 --> 01:48:33.359
The climax of this.

2609
01:48:33.420 --> 01:48:35.039
Yeah, did you see the photo?

2610
01:48:36.119 --> 01:48:37.020
No, no, no, they're terrible.

2611
01:48:37.079 --> 01:48:37.739
If they could have done it.

2612
01:48:37.800 --> 01:48:40.619
I mean, it might have given it a bit of punch at the end.

2613
01:48:40.739 --> 01:48:41.939
Yeah.

2614
01:48:41.939 --> 01:48:43.560
Partial power.

2615
01:48:43.619 --> 01:48:45.659
Yep. can only take 2 of you.

2616
01:48:45.899 --> 01:48:50.399
That, even that McCoy's saying now just a damn minute was so

2617
01:48:50.399 --> 01:48:51.000
perfect.

2618
01:48:51.060 --> 01:48:52.920
Like, so great.

2619
01:48:53.939 --> 01:48:59.039
Meanwhile, we can't be back because the Klingons have arrived.

2620
01:48:59.100 --> 01:49:03.180
And you notice how all those elements from the Enterprise D's

2621
01:49:03.180 --> 01:49:04.560
transporter room are there?

2622
01:49:04.619 --> 01:49:06.840
Yeah, definitely is D, isn't it?

2623
01:49:06.899 --> 01:49:07.619
Yeah.

2624
01:49:07.680 --> 01:49:09.960
We're slightly better lighting.

2625
01:49:10.079 --> 01:49:13.079
We're slightly with movie lighting, right?

2626
01:49:13.500 --> 01:49:14.939
Yeah.

2627
01:49:15.119 --> 01:49:17.760
Are they doing the Klingon music over there?

2628
01:49:20.699 --> 01:49:22.619
I can't remember.

2629
01:49:22.680 --> 01:49:23.460
I can't remember.

2630
01:49:24.000 --> 01:49:28.260
Just the climax of this plot where he makes his son apologise.

2631
01:49:28.319 --> 01:49:29.340
It's just heaven.

2632
01:49:29.399 --> 01:49:31.079
It's not his son though, is it?

2633
01:49:31.140 --> 01:49:31.920
It's his...

2634
01:49:31.920 --> 01:49:32.699
I thought it was his son.

2635
01:49:32.760 --> 01:49:36.779
No, no, it's he calls him you're his superior officer or

2636
01:49:36.779 --> 01:49:37.140
something.

2637
01:49:37.199 --> 01:49:39.239
I can't I can't remember.

2638
01:49:39.300 --> 01:49:41.460
No, I didn't think he was a son.

2639
01:49:41.520 --> 01:49:42.479
No, I don't think it's his son.

2640
01:49:42.539 --> 01:49:44.159
It's his office.

2641
01:49:44.220 --> 01:49:46.439
He just treats some...

2642
01:49:46.500 --> 01:49:46.979
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

2643
01:49:47.039 --> 01:49:48.000
Well that's it because he's a kid.

2644
01:49:48.119 --> 01:49:49.020
Do you know what I mean?

2645
01:49:49.079 --> 01:49:50.340
Like he's a he's a kid.

2646
01:49:51.600 --> 01:49:55.680
It's just a look on Kirk's face when he says, I apologise.

2647
01:49:56.699 --> 01:49:59.279
Yeah, it's great, isn't it?

2648
01:49:59.340 --> 01:49:59.939
It's really good.

2649
01:50:00.000 --> 01:50:05.579
And in fact, I kind of like this because all of this stuff happens

2650
01:50:05.579 --> 01:50:11.279
like, like, Spock goes over and speaks to Cord or Kempeck or

2651
01:50:11.279 --> 01:50:15.659
whatever his name is Cord, Cord, the drunk Klingon.

2652
01:50:15.779 --> 01:50:18.300
Card cord, what the hell?

2653
01:50:18.659 --> 01:50:22.439
And then arranges all of this, but we don't get to see it.

2654
01:50:22.500 --> 01:50:23.340
Yeah?

2655
01:50:23.399 --> 01:50:25.439
We get up to this point and then it cuts...

2656
01:50:25.500 --> 01:50:29.220
Yeah, now we cut away. so we don't see what's planned.

2657
01:50:29.279 --> 01:50:30.239
It's terrible.

2658
01:50:30.539 --> 01:50:34.560
That ship looks like it's been slowly.

2659
01:50:34.619 --> 01:50:40.020
So, now it's hell.

2660
01:50:40.079 --> 01:50:42.659
It was a lovely pink planet before, but now it's hell because

2661
01:50:42.659 --> 01:50:43.619
God's evil.

2662
01:50:43.680 --> 01:50:44.819
So it was Lakersia.

2663
01:50:44.880 --> 01:50:47.279
Are you sure this wasn't where the rock monsters were in it?

2664
01:50:47.340 --> 01:50:49.020
This looks like an ideal, occasionally.

2665
01:50:49.680 --> 01:50:50.640
God pursuing him.

2666
01:50:50.640 --> 01:50:51.420
God.

2667
01:50:51.479 --> 01:50:52.800
Kirk versus God.

2668
01:50:53.880 --> 01:50:56.520
Yeah, God doesn't stand a chance.

2669
01:50:56.640 --> 01:50:59.279
Oh, shit, that's responsible for this movie.

2670
01:50:59.460 --> 01:51:01.319
That looks terrible.

2671
01:51:02.579 --> 01:51:05.220
That doesn't...

2672
01:51:05.220 --> 01:51:06.899
That's a bad shot.

2673
01:51:06.960 --> 01:51:10.260
I mean, it's a good... like it's a...

2674
01:51:10.319 --> 01:51:10.859
There goes God.

2675
01:51:10.920 --> 01:51:11.520
Shoot God.

2676
01:51:11.579 --> 01:51:13.380
Oh, see you later, God.

2677
01:51:13.439 --> 01:51:14.699
It's been fun.

2678
01:51:14.819 --> 01:51:16.260
Well, sort of.

2679
01:51:19.380 --> 01:51:24.180
And now it's training it on Kirk, who is expecting to die.

2680
01:51:25.079 --> 01:51:30.239
And I actually kind of like, too, that they're not too bad where

2681
01:51:30.239 --> 01:51:31.079
he beams out.

2682
01:51:31.140 --> 01:51:32.640
That's a bit better.

2683
01:51:32.699 --> 01:51:33.840
That is okay.

2684
01:51:33.899 --> 01:51:35.579
Although it's a much cheaper.

2685
01:51:35.640 --> 01:51:38.279
They have a much cheaper teleport on the Kleon ship.

2686
01:51:38.340 --> 01:51:39.840
Do they?

2687
01:51:39.899 --> 01:51:41.399
Well, it's cheaper looking.

2688
01:51:41.460 --> 01:51:43.500
They haven't spent quite so much money on it because they just

2689
01:51:43.500 --> 01:51:46.439
borrowed the one from the enterprise D, obviously, which gets used

2690
01:51:46.439 --> 01:51:46.979
every week.

2691
01:51:47.039 --> 01:51:51.539
There really is a staggering lack of action in this movie, isn't

2692
01:51:51.539 --> 01:51:51.779
there?

2693
01:51:51.840 --> 01:51:53.939
Compared to all the other Star Trek movies.

2694
01:51:54.000 --> 01:51:54.720
It's amazing.

2695
01:51:54.779 --> 01:51:58.560
Like 1st contact we did last time, Nathan, was basically one hour

2696
01:51:58.560 --> 01:52:00.659
and a half long action set piece.

2697
01:52:00.779 --> 01:52:01.500
Yeah, yeah.

2698
01:52:01.560 --> 01:52:02.279
Yeah.

2699
01:52:02.279 --> 01:52:04.319
Junior officer. something to say.

2700
01:52:04.920 --> 01:52:07.020
I apologise.

2701
01:52:07.079 --> 01:52:08.579
Sorry, dad.

2702
01:52:09.180 --> 01:52:11.460
Yeah, look at her.

2703
01:52:11.460 --> 01:52:15.420
But it does resolve the, you know, the anger about the Klingons

2704
01:52:15.420 --> 01:52:17.819
which is still there, remember, at the beginning of the next film

2705
01:52:17.819 --> 01:52:23.699
um, because, um, you know, if they're the way that they kill his

2706
01:52:23.699 --> 01:52:24.180
son.

2707
01:52:24.300 --> 01:52:28.079
But in some way, the Klingons help solve the problem, which is

2708
01:52:28.079 --> 01:52:33.840
nice, and our new gunner, and of course, our new gunner was Spock

2709
01:52:33.840 --> 01:52:35.699
who's here to kill God.

2710
01:52:36.779 --> 01:52:39.119
It would have been Sulu.

2711
01:52:39.899 --> 01:52:42.420
But it has to be Spock.

2712
01:52:42.420 --> 01:52:42.960
Of course it does.

2713
01:52:43.020 --> 01:52:44.460
Because, of course, it has to be Spock.

2714
01:52:44.880 --> 01:52:46.979
I love this so much.

2715
01:52:47.039 --> 01:52:48.359
I wish they'd hugged anyway.

2716
01:52:48.420 --> 01:52:55.020
But the line is so great. not in front of the Klingon.

2717
01:52:55.079 --> 01:52:56.340
That's wonderful.

2718
01:52:56.399 --> 01:52:58.380
Yeah, see, I thought I was going to die.

2719
01:52:58.439 --> 01:52:59.399
That's lovely.

2720
01:52:59.460 --> 01:53:00.000
You were never alone.

2721
01:53:00.060 --> 01:53:00.779
That was lovely.

2722
01:53:00.840 --> 01:53:01.560
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

2723
01:53:01.619 --> 01:53:03.840
And look at them staring into each other's eyes.

2724
01:53:05.640 --> 01:53:08.880
This is the real love story, isn't it?

2725
01:53:09.840 --> 01:53:11.340
the original story.

2726
01:53:11.399 --> 01:53:13.979
You can throw as many women at him as you want.

2727
01:53:14.100 --> 01:53:15.539
No.

2728
01:53:15.600 --> 01:53:16.560
Well that's it.

2729
01:53:16.619 --> 01:53:20.640
There's that thing at the beginning where they say we didn't have

2730
01:53:20.640 --> 01:53:20.939
family.

2731
01:53:20.939 --> 01:53:22.380
Oh my god, it's so terrible.

2732
01:53:22.439 --> 01:53:23.279
It looks so cheap.

2733
01:53:23.399 --> 01:53:26.819
I don't know why, but the special effects when I watched our says

2734
01:53:26.819 --> 01:53:30.300
on my big telly didn't look anywhere near as bad as they do when

2735
01:53:30.300 --> 01:53:32.399
I'm up close to them here on this water.

2736
01:53:32.460 --> 01:53:33.479
We nip.

2737
01:53:33.479 --> 01:53:34.800
That was well timed.

2738
01:53:34.920 --> 01:53:37.079
Wait for it. young guys are coming in.

2739
01:53:37.739 --> 01:53:42.600
Hang on, we're going to get some payoff to...

2740
01:53:42.659 --> 01:53:44.399
Oh, this found love.

2741
01:53:44.460 --> 01:53:46.920
He's found love with that hot Romulan.

2742
01:53:46.979 --> 01:53:47.939
Oh here they go.

2743
01:53:48.000 --> 01:53:48.659
Yeah, yeah.

2744
01:53:48.720 --> 01:53:49.560
Oh, please.

2745
01:53:49.560 --> 01:53:50.399
George.

2746
01:53:50.399 --> 01:53:51.539
George.

2747
01:53:51.600 --> 01:53:54.659
You're not fooling anyone. wonderful muscles.

2748
01:53:54.720 --> 01:53:56.640
Yeah, she's got big arms, doesn't she?

2749
01:53:56.699 --> 01:53:57.359
She's awesome.

2750
01:53:57.420 --> 01:53:57.960
Look at her.

2751
01:53:58.020 --> 01:54:01.619
I bet a trivia just jumped up on my screen there that Kneg only

2752
01:54:01.619 --> 01:54:03.000
did 8 days of this movie.

2753
01:54:03.119 --> 01:54:05.159
He only shot 8 days of this movie.

2754
01:54:05.220 --> 01:54:08.340
Wow, it was only in about 5 scenes, let's be honest.

2755
01:54:08.460 --> 01:54:09.119
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

2756
01:54:09.180 --> 01:54:13.260
Well, that's more than Gates McFadden does in some opinion. that's

2757
01:54:13.260 --> 01:54:13.439
true.

2758
01:54:13.500 --> 01:54:15.420
Getting upstaged by the best role.

2759
01:54:15.479 --> 01:54:16.500
How did you notice that, sold?

2760
01:54:16.500 --> 01:54:16.739
Yeah.

2761
01:54:17.699 --> 01:54:19.920
She does get short change.

2762
01:54:19.979 --> 01:54:20.760
Yeah, she does.

2763
01:54:20.819 --> 01:54:21.779
It's not fair.

2764
01:54:21.840 --> 01:54:25.619
Well, no, then she starts acting and then, you know, yeah.

2765
01:54:25.680 --> 01:54:29.880
No, she gets her boobs get to firm up in one of the films.

2766
01:54:29.939 --> 01:54:32.520
Look, she does get season 3 of Picard.

2767
01:54:32.579 --> 01:54:33.539
Yeah, that's true.

2768
01:54:33.600 --> 01:54:34.560
She's awesome.

2769
01:54:34.619 --> 01:54:38.340
She does look magnificent in season three of Picard, doesn't she?

2770
01:54:38.399 --> 01:54:39.180
She's amazing.

2771
01:54:39.239 --> 01:54:41.880
This, I've lost a brother and then I got him back.

2772
01:54:42.479 --> 01:54:45.180
Which I think is really very sweet.

2773
01:54:45.239 --> 01:54:47.880
I think that's great We're spending a bit of time with his lost

2774
01:54:47.880 --> 01:54:49.020
brother, aren't we?

2775
01:54:49.079 --> 01:54:51.300
And Stranger New Wells at the moment.

2776
01:54:51.359 --> 01:54:56.579
Yes, but so yes, he's forgotten about George, can I...

2777
01:54:56.579 --> 01:55:01.800
Can I say that Leonard Nemoy actually looks better there?

2778
01:55:01.859 --> 01:55:05.819
Like his makeup is so much better than earlier in the film.

2779
01:55:05.880 --> 01:55:06.779
Yeah.

2780
01:55:06.840 --> 01:55:08.520
And he still looks so old.

2781
01:55:08.579 --> 01:55:09.539
But look at them.

2782
01:55:09.600 --> 01:55:11.399
Look how warm they are and now back.

2783
01:55:11.520 --> 01:55:14.159
Oh, sorry, Tom.

2784
01:55:14.460 --> 01:55:18.420
When he started, like, I punched the air when he started playing

2785
01:55:18.420 --> 01:55:20.760
row, row, row, your boat.

2786
01:55:20.760 --> 01:55:22.319
And it was wonderful.

2787
01:55:22.380 --> 01:55:23.159
Yeah.

2788
01:55:23.159 --> 01:55:28.380
I question it and questioning everything.

2789
01:55:28.439 --> 01:55:32.100
I mean, I'm glad we got 6 and this wasn't how they went out in the

2790
01:55:32.100 --> 01:55:32.279
movie.

2791
01:55:32.340 --> 01:55:34.199
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

2792
01:55:34.260 --> 01:55:36.539
Oh, look, look, it's a nice moment.

2793
01:55:36.600 --> 01:55:38.039
But that's right.

2794
01:55:38.100 --> 01:55:43.260
If this is, you know, the final thing, and it isn't, um, it's just

2795
01:55:43.260 --> 01:55:44.100
those three.

2796
01:55:44.100 --> 01:55:50.340
And it's the last time, I think, maybe we get that dealt with in

2797
01:55:50.340 --> 01:55:54.600
you know, to such a degree, because... 6 is a functional film

2798
01:55:54.600 --> 01:55:56.039
where things happen.

2799
01:55:56.039 --> 01:55:59.699
And, you know, like, whereas here, basically all we have is this

2800
01:55:59.699 --> 01:56:01.140
this trio.

2801
01:56:01.199 --> 01:56:04.199
And then it becomes a bar. we take away from this, then I think

2802
01:56:04.199 --> 01:56:06.420
it's deserves nearly.

2803
01:56:06.479 --> 01:56:07.260
Yeah, yeah.

2804
01:56:08.460 --> 01:56:10.979
Yes, there we go.

2805
01:56:11.100 --> 01:56:13.199
We pull back and that's our film.

2806
01:56:13.560 --> 01:56:17.159
Merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily.

2807
01:56:17.279 --> 01:56:19.500
Life is but a dream.

2808
01:56:19.619 --> 01:56:23.340
Well, somehow that seemed even slower watching it this time.

2809
01:56:23.399 --> 01:56:24.659
It was amazing.

2810
01:56:24.720 --> 01:56:27.359
No, it's because we had to talk all the way through it.

2811
01:56:27.420 --> 01:56:28.319
We had to keep going.

2812
01:56:28.500 --> 01:56:31.319
It's a lot easier when there's a plot.

2813
01:56:31.380 --> 01:56:32.220
It's a net.

2814
01:56:32.220 --> 01:56:34.680
Yes. things to comment on.

2815
01:56:34.739 --> 01:56:36.539
Captain Klar.

2816
01:56:36.600 --> 01:56:37.560
Captain Claw.

2817
01:56:37.619 --> 01:56:39.060
Hot...

2818
01:56:39.119 --> 01:56:40.079
John, there he is.

2819
01:56:40.140 --> 01:56:40.920
See, John.

2820
01:56:40.979 --> 01:56:42.779
Oh, Cubans.

2821
01:56:43.319 --> 01:56:45.840
Oh, Harvey Bennett, you were correct.

2822
01:56:45.899 --> 01:56:48.239
Yeah, Melanie Shatner..

2823
01:56:48.300 --> 01:56:49.079
Yep, yep.

2824
01:56:49.140 --> 01:56:54.420
Nope, I do my research. and it took a lot of people to make this.

2825
01:56:57.119 --> 01:57:00.479
You know, how you watch the credits of some films, and they say

2826
01:57:00.479 --> 01:57:03.420
special effects, and they list all the different people that have

2827
01:57:03.420 --> 01:57:05.039
worked on it.

2828
01:57:05.100 --> 01:57:07.739
I don't think there's going to be very long lists.

2829
01:57:07.800 --> 01:57:08.039
Yeah.

2830
01:57:08.640 --> 01:57:11.220
They're now going under an alien.

2831
01:57:11.279 --> 01:57:16.020
Look, I think I've come away from that with a new appreciation for

2832
01:57:16.020 --> 01:57:17.039
the cock.

2833
01:57:17.100 --> 01:57:19.920
That's for the Spock.

2834
01:57:19.979 --> 01:57:21.539
I'm going to cut that.

2835
01:57:22.619 --> 01:57:24.479
No, keep it in.

2836
01:57:24.479 --> 01:57:25.680
Coy dynamic.

2837
01:57:25.739 --> 01:57:26.520
Yeah, yeah.

2838
01:57:26.579 --> 01:57:29.100
And for all the little character bits with them.

2839
01:57:29.220 --> 01:57:33.600
But it just, the story just doesn't...

2840
01:57:33.659 --> 01:57:35.279
You just want more from it.

2841
01:57:35.340 --> 01:57:38.880
You want more action, you want more jeopardy. those nice moments

2842
01:57:38.880 --> 01:57:42.359
with them exploring their pain or whatever should have been

2843
01:57:42.359 --> 01:57:45.899
brought into this movie and dealt with God, like that should have

2844
01:57:45.899 --> 01:57:46.739
come to something with that.

2845
01:57:46.800 --> 01:57:49.680
And it just, it's just too laboured.

2846
01:57:49.739 --> 01:57:50.520
Yeah, yeah.

2847
01:57:50.579 --> 01:57:52.140
And I think just like the twist.

2848
01:57:52.199 --> 01:57:53.100
Oh, guess what?

2849
01:57:53.159 --> 01:57:54.300
It's not God, he's evil.

2850
01:57:54.359 --> 01:57:55.079
Do you know what I mean?

2851
01:57:55.140 --> 01:57:56.460
Like that's like...

2852
01:57:56.520 --> 01:57:58.319
Well, of course it's going to not be God.

2853
01:57:58.380 --> 01:58:03.119
But let's have some challenges to get there and then bit more than

2854
01:58:03.119 --> 01:58:05.220
like 5 seconds of conversation to work that out.

2855
01:58:05.279 --> 01:58:06.539
Yeah, I think you're right.

2856
01:58:06.659 --> 01:58:08.340
Before I watched it this week.

2857
01:58:08.399 --> 01:58:12.359
I hadn't seen it for such a long time and I really did come away

2858
01:58:12.359 --> 01:58:14.399
from watching it on my own.

2859
01:58:14.460 --> 01:58:18.659
Like, wow, that was a string of really lovely moments, but now

2860
01:58:18.659 --> 01:58:24.779
actually talking about this for 2 hours as a movie, as a movie, it

2861
01:58:24.779 --> 01:58:27.060
just pans, doesn't it?

2862
01:58:27.119 --> 01:58:28.560
There's no spectacle.

2863
01:58:28.619 --> 01:58:29.520
There's no pace.

2864
01:58:29.579 --> 01:58:34.800
There's no set pieces to make you go, wow, there's $30000000 on

2865
01:58:34.800 --> 01:58:36.060
the screen, you know?

2866
01:58:36.180 --> 01:58:39.000
There's a lot of set pieces like going up the lift shaft.

2867
01:58:39.060 --> 01:58:40.079
You who are doing her dance.

2868
01:58:40.140 --> 01:58:42.960
Like, there's, there is, and there's a lot of nice stuff, but I

2869
01:58:42.960 --> 01:58:47.880
think once it gets to God or the barrier bit, it just begins to

2870
01:58:47.880 --> 01:58:51.539
like, all that lovely stuff up to that point is lovely stuff.

2871
01:58:51.600 --> 01:58:54.960
But then it just doesn't come together at that and that you feel

2872
01:58:54.960 --> 01:58:55.380
let down.

2873
01:58:55.439 --> 01:59:00.239
Yeah, I mean, my experience was also that why hasn't this film

2874
01:59:00.239 --> 01:59:01.020
started yet?

2875
01:59:01.079 --> 01:59:04.319
Like I'm an hour in and I don't know where we're going.

2876
01:59:04.380 --> 01:59:07.619
And when you think of the really, really strong hooks that things

2877
01:59:07.619 --> 01:59:12.779
like one and 4 and 2 and like even three, like they're very, very

2878
01:59:12.779 --> 01:59:14.880
clearly going to be about something.

2879
01:59:14.939 --> 01:59:19.199
There's someone who once said that a film, if you're in a film

2880
01:59:19.199 --> 01:59:22.260
then you're about to experience the worst day of your life.

2881
01:59:22.319 --> 01:59:23.579
Do you know what I mean?

2882
01:59:23.640 --> 01:59:27.659
Because a film is about a big giant world changing event.

2883
01:59:27.720 --> 01:59:31.199
One of the reasons for that people don't rate insurrection is that

2884
01:59:31.199 --> 01:59:35.880
it's like a, you know, late TNG TV is like the worst day of your

2885
01:59:35.880 --> 01:59:36.180
life.

2886
01:59:37.020 --> 01:59:42.359
But this, just nothing very much happens here.

2887
01:59:42.420 --> 01:59:46.680
Just there's not enough incident and we don't know what this is

2888
01:59:46.680 --> 01:59:47.039
about.

2889
01:59:47.100 --> 01:59:50.520
You know, it's the film about the one where they find God.

2890
01:59:50.579 --> 01:59:54.300
You know, you know, how I say the cold open, the end of the cold

2891
01:59:54.300 --> 01:59:56.579
open is where you find out what an episode's about.

2892
01:59:56.640 --> 02:00:02.460
Here the cold open is Johan and Cybok.

2893
02:00:02.520 --> 02:00:07.439
And that sort of tells us something, but we don't know what any of

2894
02:00:07.439 --> 02:00:08.039
that means.

2895
02:00:08.100 --> 02:00:10.500
And so it's not a sufficient hawk.

2896
02:00:10.560 --> 02:00:12.960
No, it needs to be somebody trying to get through the Great

2897
02:00:12.960 --> 02:00:16.979
Barrier and failing to get through there and Cybuck was something

2898
02:00:16.979 --> 02:00:19.260
witnessing this or something like that.

2899
02:00:19.380 --> 02:00:22.859
Just to say that's our hook in and that's where we're going. where

2900
02:00:22.859 --> 02:00:23.279
we're going.

2901
02:00:23.340 --> 02:00:23.939
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

2902
02:00:24.000 --> 02:00:28.260
It's in no way the best movie that we've covered on this podcast

2903
02:00:28.260 --> 02:00:33.239
because I think that is four, which has energy and charm and

2904
02:00:33.239 --> 02:00:36.060
humour running through it and it's just an amazing watch.

2905
02:00:36.119 --> 02:00:39.180
I don't think it's the worst we've done though.

2906
02:00:39.239 --> 02:00:41.460
I think generations is the worst movie than this.

2907
02:00:41.520 --> 02:00:45.359
I mean, it's a better movie in terms of spectacle, but I mean, even

2908
02:00:45.359 --> 02:00:49.020
the character moment is bombing generations, you know, and you've

2909
02:00:49.020 --> 02:00:52.020
got data doing that dreadful humour throughout, which is

2910
02:00:52.020 --> 02:00:53.340
irritating as hell.

2911
02:00:53.340 --> 02:00:56.699
There's a bit on the boat at the start, which we cringed our way

2912
02:00:56.699 --> 02:00:56.939
through.

2913
02:00:57.000 --> 02:01:01.680
Like, at least this does have the charm of the original cast and

2914
02:01:01.680 --> 02:01:02.460
funny moments.

2915
02:01:02.760 --> 02:01:04.380
I agree with you.

2916
02:01:04.439 --> 02:01:06.600
I think that that's the strength of it.

2917
02:01:06.659 --> 02:01:11.640
Funny moments, charm of the original cast and a likeable villain.

2918
02:01:11.760 --> 02:01:12.060
Yeah.

2919
02:01:12.119 --> 02:01:12.659
Yeah.

2920
02:01:12.659 --> 02:01:14.640
Yeah, I guess that's right.

2921
02:01:14.699 --> 02:01:18.420
I mean, in all sorts of technical ways, generations is a vastly

2922
02:01:18.420 --> 02:01:19.439
better film than this.

2923
02:01:19.500 --> 02:01:23.159
But it is a bit charmless, isn't it?

2924
02:01:23.220 --> 02:01:26.939
And it's, you know, I complained about the people of Veridian for

2925
02:01:26.939 --> 02:01:31.380
the invisible people of Veridian 4, who I've never met and I don't

2926
02:01:31.380 --> 02:01:32.640
care about at all.

2927
02:01:32.699 --> 02:01:34.439
And that's the entire thing.

2928
02:01:34.560 --> 02:01:37.199
You know, complain about Olivia Hack.

2929
02:01:37.500 --> 02:01:43.500
I mean, comparing patrols, we watched generations and that dismal

2930
02:01:43.500 --> 02:01:46.439
moment where they murder Picard's family for no reason

2931
02:01:46.439 --> 02:01:47.640
whatsoever.

2932
02:01:47.699 --> 02:01:53.520
Whereas here, the moment where you see McCoy assists the suicide

2933
02:01:53.520 --> 02:01:54.119
of his dad.

2934
02:01:54.180 --> 02:01:55.500
That was really moving.

2935
02:01:55.560 --> 02:01:56.579
Yeah.

2936
02:01:56.579 --> 02:01:59.760
Yeah, no, I really disliked that in generation.

2937
02:01:59.760 --> 02:02:03.119
They just get rid of his family in one swoop.

2938
02:02:03.180 --> 02:02:06.899
Yeah, just to make Patrick Stewart cry for five minutes.

2939
02:02:06.960 --> 02:02:07.680
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

2940
02:02:07.739 --> 02:02:11.579
It just seems unpleasant and it makes watching family a bit less

2941
02:02:11.579 --> 02:02:12.420
pleasant, I think.

2942
02:02:12.479 --> 02:02:16.319
But I just like that in movies where they obviously are in family

2943
02:02:16.319 --> 02:02:19.020
and they survive things there.

2944
02:02:19.079 --> 02:02:22.680
But, you know, whether you're the little girl in aliens and then

2945
02:02:22.680 --> 02:02:23.520
she's killed off.

2946
02:02:23.579 --> 02:02:24.659
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

2947
02:02:24.720 --> 02:02:27.060
Like, that's the thing that I really dislike.

2948
02:02:27.119 --> 02:02:30.359
They survive a movie and then the sequel kills them off.

2949
02:02:30.420 --> 02:02:31.439
Yeah, yeah.

2950
02:02:31.500 --> 02:02:35.760
So are we, are we learning then that if the even numbered movies

2951
02:02:35.760 --> 02:02:40.020
are pretty, and the odd number of movies are pretty terrible?

2952
02:02:40.079 --> 02:02:42.300
There are still degrees of terrible.

2953
02:02:42.359 --> 02:02:47.100
Yeah, and this is in no way than the deer of the Star Trek

2954
02:02:47.100 --> 02:02:47.520
movies.

2955
02:02:47.579 --> 02:02:50.760
I mean, I couldn't say that just for the bit with Ahura naked.

2956
02:02:51.300 --> 02:02:55.020
Well, I mean, I mean, if you're going with odd numbers, you know

2957
02:02:55.020 --> 02:02:56.699
search for Spock is not there.

2958
02:02:56.760 --> 02:02:58.079
It's definitely better than this.

2959
02:02:58.140 --> 02:02:58.739
Oh, yeah.

2960
02:02:58.800 --> 02:03:02.399
And then what generations is is seven.

2961
02:03:02.460 --> 02:03:05.699
So, you know, that's, well, not the best.

2962
02:03:05.760 --> 02:03:08.760
And then you've got insurrection, which you obviously don't like.

2963
02:03:08.880 --> 02:03:10.859
Well, 1st contact that insurrection, remember?

2964
02:03:10.979 --> 02:03:12.300
But in odd number movies.

2965
02:03:12.359 --> 02:03:13.199
The odd number movies.

2966
02:03:13.319 --> 02:03:17.460
But insurrection, I quite like I don't dislike it.

2967
02:03:17.460 --> 02:03:20.579
I quite like most of it except for when they climb up the mountain

2968
02:03:20.579 --> 02:03:23.640
and the resolution, which I think falls to pieces.

2969
02:03:23.699 --> 02:03:28.439
But then the one that breaks, it breaks the rule is, of course

2970
02:03:28.439 --> 02:03:35.340
nemesis. which is the worst thing ever. so bad.

2971
02:03:35.399 --> 02:03:39.720
I don't think this movie is even as I think this is a better watch

2972
02:03:39.720 --> 02:03:40.319
than one.

2973
02:03:40.380 --> 02:03:43.859
I mean, I gave up on one, 2 thirds of the way through because just

2974
02:03:43.859 --> 02:03:44.699
nothing happened.

2975
02:03:44.760 --> 02:03:49.140
I know it's visually spectacular, but in terms of narrative, This

2976
02:03:49.140 --> 02:03:50.579
is a faster movie than that.

2977
02:03:50.699 --> 02:03:53.220
And I've never seen all of one.

2978
02:03:53.279 --> 02:03:54.600
I've fallen asleep full time.

2979
02:03:54.659 --> 02:03:57.000
I mean, I don't mind one.

2980
02:03:57.000 --> 02:04:00.779
And in context, I went and saw it at the cinema, but it was the

2981
02:04:00.779 --> 02:04:03.180
1st Star Trek I ever saw, so I didn't see it with the right

2982
02:04:03.180 --> 02:04:03.720
context.

2983
02:04:03.779 --> 02:04:05.819
But I can understand the instinct.

2984
02:04:05.819 --> 02:04:10.020
After these guys have been away, their show gets cancelled

2985
02:04:10.020 --> 02:04:10.800
prematurely.

2986
02:04:10.859 --> 02:04:12.899
They've been away for a really long time.

2987
02:04:12.960 --> 02:04:16.079
It's not like generations where it's just we move straight from

2988
02:04:16.079 --> 02:04:18.960
shooting all good things into shooting generations.

2989
02:04:19.020 --> 02:04:21.720
Like we've been given the chance to miss all these people.

2990
02:04:21.779 --> 02:04:25.739
And then seeing them back on the big screen with a big budget with

2991
02:04:25.739 --> 02:04:30.600
something that looks incredibly impressive with a scale and all of

2992
02:04:30.600 --> 02:04:31.319
that sort of thing.

2993
02:04:31.380 --> 02:04:33.899
Like, it's amazing in context, I think.

2994
02:04:33.960 --> 02:04:38.039
But it is a misfire and they obviously decide to...

2995
02:04:38.100 --> 02:04:38.760
No, that's true.

2996
02:04:38.819 --> 02:04:40.260
It's a very serious, mate.

2997
02:04:40.319 --> 02:04:41.880
Are they looking for God in that one as well?

2998
02:04:41.939 --> 02:04:43.140
A bit.

2999
02:04:43.199 --> 02:04:46.619
I think that there's a deliberate kind of attempt to echo that.

3000
02:04:46.680 --> 02:04:51.239
What with, you know, Voyager 2 with Klar, Captain Clarb, destroying

3001
02:04:51.239 --> 02:04:55.800
Voyager 2, I think it is very much kind of doing a nod at the

3002
02:04:55.800 --> 02:04:57.180
motionless picture, for sure.

3003
02:04:57.300 --> 02:05:03.720
Well, I think it's a pretty ridiculous, idiotic, slow paced movie

3004
02:05:03.720 --> 02:05:07.380
but I can't say I didn't have fun with it.

3005
02:05:07.439 --> 02:05:08.520
I think that's fair.

3006
02:05:15.000 --> 02:05:20.579
All right, it's the end of the episode and it is time for us to

3007
02:05:20.579 --> 02:05:22.800
work out where we're going next.

3008
02:05:22.859 --> 02:05:26.760
Todd is here with us, sitting next to me in front of the computer

3009
02:05:26.760 --> 02:05:30.359
and we have the randomiser open in front of us.

3010
02:05:30.420 --> 02:05:34.199
Todd, can you tell me what series we're going to be watching next

3011
02:05:34.199 --> 02:05:34.859
time and why?

3012
02:05:34.920 --> 02:05:37.739
We're going with Deep Space Nine.

3013
02:05:37.800 --> 02:05:40.380
Is that sucking up to Joe?

3014
02:05:40.439 --> 02:05:42.600
Oh, that's you..

3015
02:05:43.920 --> 02:05:46.619
Because it is my favourite Star Trek series.

3016
02:05:46.680 --> 02:05:52.319
Yeah, I was tempted to give you Voyager or Enterprise because I

3017
02:05:52.319 --> 02:05:56.880
didn't get movie I wanted, but I thought, no, I really want

3018
02:05:56.880 --> 02:06:01.199
something whenever this goes out, hopefully to start end the year

3019
02:06:01.199 --> 02:06:03.300
or start the new year off.

3020
02:06:03.359 --> 02:06:06.060
Unless we get a bad episode, which...

3021
02:06:06.060 --> 02:06:07.439
I'll be laughing my head off.

3022
02:06:07.439 --> 02:06:08.159
We can roll again.

3023
02:06:08.220 --> 02:06:09.960
Well, it's only if it's really season one.

3024
02:06:10.020 --> 02:06:14.279
Okay, only Nathan is perverse enough to choose Enterprise on a

3025
02:06:14.279 --> 02:06:15.420
regular basis, you know?

3026
02:06:15.479 --> 02:06:17.279
No, I couldn't do that to you.

3027
02:06:17.340 --> 02:06:18.060
I just couldn't.

3028
02:06:18.119 --> 02:06:19.619
I'll have to do it next.

3029
02:06:19.680 --> 02:06:20.460
All right.

3030
02:06:20.520 --> 02:06:22.739
Fingers crossed for a banger.

3031
02:06:22.859 --> 02:06:24.180
Do I push this button?

3032
02:06:24.239 --> 02:06:24.720
Yep.

3033
02:06:24.779 --> 02:06:25.500
Okay.

3034
02:06:25.560 --> 02:06:26.460
Read it out.

3035
02:06:26.520 --> 02:06:31.140
It's your random Star Trek Deep Season 9 episode is The Reckoning

3036
02:06:31.140 --> 02:06:32.520
season six, episode 21.

3037
02:06:32.819 --> 02:06:34.560
Is that terrible?

3038
02:06:34.619 --> 02:06:35.819
What's the reckoning?

3039
02:06:35.880 --> 02:06:38.819
It's the one where, you know, where Jake and Kira on the

3040
02:06:38.819 --> 02:06:39.479
promenade?

3041
02:06:39.539 --> 02:06:42.779
Oh, right versus...

3042
02:06:42.779 --> 02:06:43.260
Prophet.

3043
02:06:43.260 --> 02:06:43.920
Profit, yeah.

3044
02:06:43.979 --> 02:06:46.380
Infiring beams in each other?

3045
02:06:46.380 --> 02:06:49.560
Boring series of beams coming out of each other.

3046
02:06:49.680 --> 02:06:52.140
That was the worst episode ever.

3047
02:06:52.380 --> 02:06:54.300
Okay, do it again.

3048
02:06:54.359 --> 02:06:55.260
Okay, I'll go with that.

3049
02:06:55.319 --> 02:06:55.859
Oh, come on, Todd.

3050
02:06:55.920 --> 02:06:56.579
You only get to do it once.

3051
02:06:56.640 --> 02:06:57.300
I keep rolling.

3052
02:06:57.359 --> 02:06:59.100
I know I've got to keep...

3053
02:07:00.779 --> 02:07:02.520
I think it has to be this.

3054
02:07:02.579 --> 02:07:03.420
What?

3055
02:07:03.420 --> 02:07:03.960
What?

3056
02:07:03.960 --> 02:07:06.180
It's the way of the weird.

3057
02:07:06.239 --> 02:07:07.800
It's the way of the home.

3058
02:07:08.460 --> 02:07:10.680
Finally, we're watching a movie.

3059
02:07:10.739 --> 02:07:11.640
Oh my goodness.

3060
02:07:11.699 --> 02:07:13.140
Oh my goodness.

3061
02:07:13.199 --> 02:07:14.399
Well, you know what?

3062
02:07:14.460 --> 02:07:15.180
It was meant to be.

3063
02:07:15.239 --> 02:07:16.140
I think it was.

3064
02:07:16.140 --> 02:07:17.520
My favourite series.

3065
02:07:17.880 --> 02:07:21.479
And although I didn't get to do my favourite movie, this is one of

3066
02:07:21.479 --> 02:07:23.159
my favourite episodes of ever.

3067
02:07:23.220 --> 02:07:23.880
That's so great.

3068
02:07:23.939 --> 02:07:25.319
Well, that is pretty good.

3069
02:07:25.439 --> 02:07:29.399
You're either last or desperately searching for a good tailor.

3070
02:07:29.460 --> 02:07:31.380
Oh my god, I love it so much.

3071
02:07:32.939 --> 02:07:35.579
Oh, brilliant, well done.

3072
02:07:35.640 --> 02:07:37.739
And you get to watch double episode then.

3073
02:07:37.800 --> 02:07:38.880
Yeah, it's cool.

3074
02:07:38.939 --> 02:07:39.420
Awesome.

3075
02:07:46.140 --> 02:07:50.279
You've been listening to Entitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford

3076
02:07:50.279 --> 02:07:53.220
Nathan Bottomley and special guest star Todd Bealby.

3077
02:07:53.279 --> 02:07:56.880
We're online at untitled Star Trek Project.com, where you can find

3078
02:07:56.880 --> 02:07:59.579
subscription links and links to our social media accounts.

3079
02:07:59.699 --> 02:08:03.659
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Sisrin and the theme was composed

3080
02:08:03.659 --> 02:08:04.859
by Cameron Lamb.

3081
02:08:04.920 --> 02:08:09.060
This episode was recorded on the 15th of December 2025 and

3082
02:08:09.060 --> 02:08:10.859
released on the 19th of December.

3083
02:08:10.920 --> 02:08:15.180
We'll see you next time for Star Trek Deep Space 9, The Way of the

3084
02:08:15.180 --> 02:08:15.659
Warrior.

3085
02:08:32.100 --> 02:08:36.060
I think there's more action in Way of the Warrior than there is in

3086
02:08:36.060 --> 02:08:37.619
Star Trek 5, you know.

3087
02:08:37.680 --> 02:08:41.100
Do you know, you and I have watched Way of the Warrior together

3088
02:08:41.100 --> 02:08:47.279
once before, and I think that I concluded that there was actually

3089
02:08:47.279 --> 02:08:50.460
far less action.

3090
02:08:50.699 --> 02:08:55.199
There's action sequences that I've done extremely well and they'd

3091
02:08:55.199 --> 02:08:56.220
really use their budget.

3092
02:08:56.279 --> 02:08:59.460
But also, please compare and contrast to what else was coming out

3093
02:08:59.460 --> 02:09:01.020
in the 90s from Star Trek.

3094
02:09:01.079 --> 02:09:02.579
There's plenty of action.

3095
02:09:02.640 --> 02:09:03.720
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

3096
02:09:03.779 --> 02:09:04.260
That's true.

3097
02:09:04.319 --> 02:09:05.159
That is true.

3098
02:09:05.220 --> 02:09:09.300
It's also that wonderful period where they were still using models

3099
02:09:09.300 --> 02:09:11.699
before they go all CGI on DS9.

3100
02:09:11.939 --> 02:09:16.380
So they've still got the model spaceships in, but it's a lot of

3101
02:09:16.380 --> 02:09:18.359
it's enhanced with CGIFX.

3102
02:09:18.420 --> 02:09:20.699
So it's really, it's that sort of midway ground.

3103
02:09:20.819 --> 02:09:26.039
And, you know, this is like the opening episode of this season

3104
02:09:26.039 --> 02:09:28.619
Voyager would have had its opening episode of season two.

3105
02:09:28.680 --> 02:09:29.819
Ah yes, okay.

3106
02:09:29.880 --> 02:09:30.779
Which would have been what?

3107
02:09:30.840 --> 02:09:32.399
Terrible.

3108
02:09:32.460 --> 02:09:34.380
Yeah, terrible because it peters out.

3109
02:09:34.439 --> 02:09:37.199
Remember, there's a whole bunch of episodes had they hold over

3110
02:09:37.199 --> 02:09:40.619
from season one and so season one doesn't even end properly.

3111
02:09:40.680 --> 02:09:41.579
Like it makes no sense.

3112
02:09:41.640 --> 02:09:44.399
But to me, this is where the show was building too.

3113
02:09:44.460 --> 02:09:45.180
Yeah.

3114
02:09:45.180 --> 02:09:47.760
It's just so witty, isn't it?

3115
02:09:47.880 --> 02:09:51.180
I find this hand-to-hand come back, really quite distasteful.

3116
02:09:51.239 --> 02:09:54.720
I suppose you prefer the simplicity of an interrogation chamber.

3117
02:09:54.779 --> 02:09:57.479
You have to admit, it's much more civilised.

3118
02:09:58.319 --> 02:10:00.600
It's so gross.

3119
02:10:01.800 --> 02:10:03.659
Enjoy, gentlemen.

3120
02:10:03.720 --> 02:10:04.619
Thank you so much.

3121
02:10:04.680 --> 02:10:05.100
What a gift.

3122
02:10:05.220 --> 02:10:05.939
Thank you, what a gift.

3123
02:10:06.000 --> 02:10:07.079
Well done.

3124
02:10:07.199 --> 02:10:07.560
Thank you.

3125
02:10:07.680 --> 02:10:09.539
That feels like Christmas to me now.

3126
02:10:09.600 --> 02:10:10.260
Thanks, Todd.

3127
02:10:10.319 --> 02:10:11.460
Yeah, that was really good.

3128
02:10:11.520 --> 02:10:12.539
I'm really happy about that.

3129
02:10:12.600 --> 02:10:18.840
I can't believe that came up because like I was...

3130
02:10:18.899 --> 02:10:20.340
Oh, boy.