WEBVTT NOTE This transcript was created on 2026-05-01 at 20:40:00 1 00:00:21.839 --> 00:00:24.480 Hey, Joe. Hi. 2 00:00:24.539 --> 00:00:31.559 So, just after our little visit to the Enterprise D last time, we 3 00:00:31.559 --> 00:00:36.179 are back aboard, it's Star Trek the Next Generation again, but 4 00:00:36.179 --> 00:00:42.539 it's the famous series 3 Cliffhanger, the best of both worlds, and 5 00:00:42.539 --> 00:00:45.539 we're going to follow up by watching the best of both worlds, part 6 00:00:45.539 --> 00:00:46.259 two. 7 00:00:46.320 --> 00:00:52.619 This 1st screened on the 18th of June 1990, and part 2 was the 8 00:00:52.619 --> 00:00:54.960 24th of September, 1990. 9 00:00:55.079 --> 00:00:57.299 So sort of over the summer break, I guess. 10 00:00:57.299 --> 00:00:59.340 Not in the UK. 11 00:00:59.399 --> 00:01:00.299 It wasn't all right. 12 00:01:00.359 --> 00:01:02.219 That was a long... 13 00:01:02.280 --> 00:01:02.700 Yeah. 14 00:01:02.700 --> 00:01:03.420 Okay. 15 00:01:03.539 --> 00:01:06.359 These are both written by Michael Pillar. 16 00:01:06.420 --> 00:01:09.959 Part 2 was written by Michael Piller to his own surprise and 17 00:01:09.959 --> 00:01:13.680 consternation eventually, and they were both directed by Cliff 18 00:01:13.680 --> 00:01:14.400 Bowl. 19 00:01:14.459 --> 00:01:15.840 What did you think? 20 00:01:15.900 --> 00:01:19.379 I came away from watching it this time. 21 00:01:19.439 --> 00:01:23.459 Well, unfortunately, like TV's moved on a lot since 1990, right? 22 00:01:23.519 --> 00:01:26.760 So in terms of execution, yeah, there were some issues and we will 23 00:01:26.760 --> 00:01:30.959 talk about that as we go through it, but I still got that bubbling 24 00:01:30.959 --> 00:01:35.040 feeling of excitement as I was watching episode one, I still 25 00:01:35.040 --> 00:01:40.560 thought the character journeys of Picard and Riker, Shelby, fuck 26 00:01:40.560 --> 00:01:43.739 man, Shelby, were riveting to watch. 27 00:01:43.799 --> 00:01:47.459 There's a scene in part 2 with Gynon that absolutely wowed me. 28 00:01:47.519 --> 00:01:49.859 This is iconic for a reason. 29 00:01:49.920 --> 00:01:52.260 It's very, very good indeed. 30 00:01:52.680 --> 00:01:57.180 For me, what struck me was the scale of it. 31 00:01:57.239 --> 00:02:00.659 There's a thing about a Star Trek show, like a classic Star Trek 32 00:02:00.659 --> 00:02:05.099 show like Star Trek and this and Strange New World, where the 33 00:02:05.099 --> 00:02:08.699 premise is we're on board a ship and we're seeking out new life 34 00:02:08.699 --> 00:02:12.539 and new civilisations, that the scale of it's a little bit small. 35 00:02:12.599 --> 00:02:15.900 It's just a ship with a few 100 people going on adventures every 36 00:02:15.900 --> 00:02:18.900 week and you don't get a sense of the wider universe. 37 00:02:18.960 --> 00:02:25.979 And here, I think even before the Borg turn up and kind of change 38 00:02:25.979 --> 00:02:26.939 history forever. 39 00:02:27.060 --> 00:02:31.379 There is a sense of a bigger picture, a sense of what's happening 40 00:02:31.379 --> 00:02:34.979 in Starfleet, what it's like to work for Starfleet, what it's like 41 00:02:34.979 --> 00:02:38.819 to have a career in Starfleet, which we do occasionally get in 42 00:02:38.819 --> 00:02:41.520 Star Trek the Next Generation, particularly. 43 00:02:41.580 --> 00:02:46.439 But here, even though just about everything's just happening on 44 00:02:46.439 --> 00:02:50.099 the standing sets, and everyone is just standing around talking 45 00:02:50.099 --> 00:02:54.419 even before the big events of the two-parter kind of kick into 46 00:02:54.419 --> 00:02:57.719 gear, we are getting a sense of a larger world. 47 00:02:57.780 --> 00:02:58.860 And I like that. 48 00:02:58.919 --> 00:03:00.719 It did give it a sense of scale. 49 00:03:00.780 --> 00:03:03.000 Feels important, doesn't it? 50 00:03:03.060 --> 00:03:04.800 It feels like something big is happening. 51 00:03:04.860 --> 00:03:07.680 And let's be honest, in terms of the history books. 52 00:03:07.740 --> 00:03:12.000 This is the thumbnail in TNG, right? 53 00:03:12.060 --> 00:03:15.479 This is the event that informs a lot of what's coming. 54 00:03:15.539 --> 00:03:20.099 Obviously family, emissary in DS9, Cisco losing his wife. 55 00:03:20.159 --> 00:03:22.680 Iborg later on in this season. 56 00:03:22.740 --> 00:03:26.219 First contact and certainly Picard series three. 57 00:03:26.340 --> 00:03:30.659 I mean, the impact of the best of both worlds stretches years and 58 00:03:30.659 --> 00:03:31.500 years into the future. 59 00:03:31.560 --> 00:03:35.939 And with Deep Space 9, partly because Deep Space 9 is kind of 60 00:03:35.939 --> 00:03:40.199 reinventing itself, but also because it settles on doing sort of 61 00:03:40.199 --> 00:03:43.740 large geopolitical things, that's not the right word for the 62 00:03:43.740 --> 00:03:44.879 galaxy, but whatever. 63 00:03:44.939 --> 00:03:49.620 Large geopolitical things, large events, huge historic events. 64 00:03:49.680 --> 00:03:54.719 This is the 1st huge historic event that happens in Star Trek the 65 00:03:54.719 --> 00:03:58.620 Next Generation, something that is referred to over and over again 66 00:03:58.620 --> 00:04:00.300 in more episodes than the ones that you mentioned. 67 00:04:00.300 --> 00:04:03.300 In redemption, the reason that we don't have enough ships in 68 00:04:03.300 --> 00:04:06.240 redemption part 2 is because of the Battle of Wolf 359. 69 00:04:06.479 --> 00:04:12.060 In parallels, we see a version of the Enterprise where Picard was 70 00:04:12.060 --> 00:04:16.560 assimilated by the Borg and killed, and Rikers in charge, and the 71 00:04:16.560 --> 00:04:18.899 Borg have taken the galaxy over. 72 00:04:18.959 --> 00:04:20.579 You know, there's all of this stuff. 73 00:04:20.639 --> 00:04:24.540 It haunts Star Trek. the pivot around which Star Trek, the Next 74 00:04:24.540 --> 00:04:29.819 Generation, revolves, and Picard Series 3, inevitably ends with 75 00:04:29.819 --> 00:04:32.699 the Borg, because what else could it do? 76 00:04:32.759 --> 00:04:35.639 Like, this is hugely, hugely important. 77 00:04:35.699 --> 00:04:39.360 But it was 35 years ago. 78 00:04:39.420 --> 00:04:44.339 And it is very staid and very slow. 79 00:04:44.399 --> 00:04:48.540 It is and very light on action. 80 00:04:48.600 --> 00:04:51.180 Kind of light on emotion as well. 81 00:04:51.240 --> 00:04:54.360 Yeah, light on emotion and light on tension as well. 82 00:04:54.420 --> 00:04:58.439 And I think we do need to talk about Ron Jones. 83 00:04:58.500 --> 00:05:04.139 We've both admitted on the podcast to owning the soundtrack CD for 84 00:05:04.139 --> 00:05:06.300 this 2 part story. 85 00:05:06.360 --> 00:05:11.279 I played the track, gentlemen, we have engaged the Borg. 86 00:05:12.180 --> 00:05:15.180 I played that track over and over again. 87 00:05:15.240 --> 00:05:16.740 I love this soundtrack. 88 00:05:16.800 --> 00:05:21.720 Yeah, well, every, every musical queue is incredibly familiar, and 89 00:05:21.720 --> 00:05:26.459 you can see that Ron Jones is scoring scenes in which the 90 00:05:26.459 --> 00:05:30.300 characters are just kind of strolling through their everyday lives 91 00:05:30.300 --> 00:05:31.379 kind of being a feeling. 92 00:05:31.379 --> 00:05:32.639 Even the action as well. 93 00:05:32.699 --> 00:05:38.160 Like, he's pumping life into legendly directed action scenes that 94 00:05:38.160 --> 00:05:41.879 convinces you, my God, this is so exciting because those violins 95 00:05:41.879 --> 00:05:42.660 are telling me so. 96 00:05:42.720 --> 00:05:45.240 Yeah, and he is also very good. 97 00:05:45.300 --> 00:05:48.180 I think we've observed this before in other things that he 98 00:05:48.180 --> 00:05:48.899 scored. 99 00:05:49.019 --> 00:05:54.540 He is very, very good, I think, at creating a sense of tension and 100 00:05:54.540 --> 00:05:55.139 unease. 101 00:05:55.199 --> 00:05:59.279 And I think it was maybe the neutral zone that we send that in. 102 00:05:59.339 --> 00:06:00.600 Don't make me do it. 103 00:06:03.660 --> 00:06:05.459 Yeah, it was great. 104 00:06:05.519 --> 00:06:07.680 You know, I think he's really good. 105 00:06:07.740 --> 00:06:11.399 And I think, too, the other thing that's great here is that this 106 00:06:11.399 --> 00:06:16.980 picks up on not only Q Hu from the previous year, but the neutral 107 00:06:16.980 --> 00:06:18.300 zone from the year before that. 108 00:06:18.360 --> 00:06:24.480 And so this is something that's been coming on for a while, so it 109 00:06:24.480 --> 00:06:27.480 doesn't just have repercussions in the future, it actually echos 110 00:06:27.480 --> 00:06:28.740 back into the show's past. 111 00:06:28.800 --> 00:06:31.800 And nothing subtle about the music in this. 112 00:06:31.860 --> 00:06:36.720 It is literally telling you how to feel from scene to scene, but 113 00:06:36.720 --> 00:06:37.860 it kind of has to do that. 114 00:06:37.920 --> 00:06:42.480 I mean, heavy lifting does not cover what Ron Jones is doing in 115 00:06:42.480 --> 00:06:42.720 this. 116 00:06:43.199 --> 00:06:47.579 And what how Rick Berman could have looked at this and gone, well 117 00:06:47.579 --> 00:06:48.720 this is a bit dynamic. 118 00:06:48.779 --> 00:06:49.439 I'm sorry. 119 00:06:49.500 --> 00:06:52.680 You know, can we please get in some blander musicians? 120 00:06:52.740 --> 00:06:55.019 It's unthinkable. 121 00:06:55.079 --> 00:06:56.220 Yeah, it's incredible. 122 00:06:56.339 --> 00:06:59.819 I mean, he gets Jade Chataway later and Jade Chataway is obviously 123 00:06:59.819 --> 00:07:00.720 extremely good. 124 00:07:00.779 --> 00:07:05.639 But the fact that he gets rid of Ron Jones are not Cliff Bowl 125 00:07:05.639 --> 00:07:11.220 after this. very baffling. 126 00:07:11.279 --> 00:07:12.779 Well, not Gates McFadden. 127 00:07:12.839 --> 00:07:13.560 We will get there. 128 00:07:13.560 --> 00:07:15.060 All right, Jesus Christ. 129 00:07:15.120 --> 00:07:18.000 Well, I've got a couple of bits of trivia about the best of both 130 00:07:18.000 --> 00:07:18.360 well. 131 00:07:18.420 --> 00:07:20.759 I mean, I don't know, you probably know both of these, but the 132 00:07:20.759 --> 00:07:21.720 listeners may not. 133 00:07:21.779 --> 00:07:27.060 There's a wonderful quote from Michael Pillar, who says that his 134 00:07:27.060 --> 00:07:30.180 personal situation mirrored Riker Zone. 135 00:07:30.240 --> 00:07:32.639 So when he's writing Riker scenes in this. 136 00:07:32.699 --> 00:07:35.519 He's quoted as saying, as I was writing this script, I found 137 00:07:35.519 --> 00:07:38.699 myself in the position of Riker, who was deciding whether he 138 00:07:38.699 --> 00:07:40.199 wanted to leave the ship or not. 139 00:07:40.259 --> 00:07:43.740 Much of what happened in part one was what was going on in my 140 00:07:43.740 --> 00:07:44.699 head. 141 00:07:44.759 --> 00:07:48.120 When Riker's talking to Troy about why he hasn't left, that's me 142 00:07:48.120 --> 00:07:49.500 speaking through Riker. 143 00:07:49.560 --> 00:07:50.220 Now I didn't know that. 144 00:07:50.279 --> 00:07:53.699 I didn't know he was he wanted to be a one seasoner now because he 145 00:07:53.699 --> 00:07:56.639 goes on and impacts 90s trek. 146 00:07:56.699 --> 00:07:59.519 I mean, he's already done it in this season, but, you know, he 147 00:07:59.519 --> 00:08:00.779 creates DS 9. 148 00:08:00.839 --> 00:08:02.279 He helps create Voyager. 149 00:08:02.339 --> 00:08:03.959 Like he really does. 150 00:08:04.019 --> 00:08:05.879 He's huge, Michael Pillar. 151 00:08:05.939 --> 00:08:07.860 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 152 00:08:07.920 --> 00:08:08.160 No. 153 00:08:08.220 --> 00:08:11.819 And of course, what he's doing is he's writing part one without 154 00:08:11.819 --> 00:08:15.480 being fully aware of the fact that he's going to come back and 155 00:08:15.480 --> 00:08:16.439 write part two. 156 00:08:16.500 --> 00:08:19.620 He goes, oh, God. 157 00:08:19.680 --> 00:08:21.180 How the hell do I end this? 158 00:08:21.240 --> 00:08:22.439 Oh, they can go to sleep. 159 00:08:22.500 --> 00:08:23.100 That's fine. 160 00:08:23.160 --> 00:08:28.319 Yeah, and like, I have to say, I have to say that it worked for me 161 00:08:28.319 --> 00:08:32.100 this time, as I was watching it, it seemed to make excellent sense 162 00:08:32.100 --> 00:08:37.679 that the reason that the Borg are defeated, not just because they 163 00:08:37.679 --> 00:08:42.539 are vulnerable because of being a collective, and so if you make 164 00:08:42.539 --> 00:08:45.480 one of them go to sleep, they all go to sleep, but they're also 165 00:08:45.480 --> 00:08:48.840 vulnerable because they made themselves vulnerable by kidnapping 166 00:08:48.840 --> 00:08:52.019 Picard and making Picard part of them. 167 00:08:52.080 --> 00:08:54.899 And so we get Picard back. 168 00:08:54.960 --> 00:08:58.139 We managed to get Picard back and so he's able to do it. 169 00:08:58.200 --> 00:08:59.580 And I think it works really well. 170 00:08:59.639 --> 00:09:04.019 I think, however, like so much of the rest of the 2 parter, it's 171 00:09:04.019 --> 00:09:06.299 all resolved in a scene where everyone's standing around in the 172 00:09:06.299 --> 00:09:07.019 sets talking. 173 00:09:07.080 --> 00:09:10.620 If they had the money to do it, they would put the fireworks on 174 00:09:10.620 --> 00:09:13.799 the screen because when they do have the money to do it, they do 175 00:09:13.799 --> 00:09:14.940 put the firework. 176 00:09:15.000 --> 00:09:18.659 The start of emissary, you see Wall 359, they start of 1st contact 177 00:09:18.659 --> 00:09:19.980 you see Wall 359. 178 00:09:20.159 --> 00:09:21.659 The 2nd they can do it, they do it. 179 00:09:21.720 --> 00:09:22.919 I think they want to. 180 00:09:22.980 --> 00:09:27.600 They want to make it, you know, space battle and ships blowing up 181 00:09:27.600 --> 00:09:28.379 and all of that. 182 00:09:28.440 --> 00:09:30.659 They just they just don't have the cash at the moment. 183 00:09:30.720 --> 00:09:32.460 All the ability to do. 184 00:09:32.519 --> 00:09:34.620 So they go for the next best option. 185 00:09:34.679 --> 00:09:39.539 So and I did feel a little bit underwhelmed at how quiet the 186 00:09:39.539 --> 00:09:40.200 ending was. 187 00:09:40.259 --> 00:09:43.740 They were promising seismic changes. 188 00:09:43.740 --> 00:09:46.500 And then at the end, sort of, I felt like, okay, everyone's going 189 00:09:46.500 --> 00:09:49.379 to be back on the bridge next week and everything's back to normal 190 00:09:49.379 --> 00:09:50.039 you know. 191 00:09:50.100 --> 00:09:51.779 But it did work. 192 00:09:51.840 --> 00:09:53.820 Yeah, it's logically it works. 193 00:09:54.179 --> 00:09:58.200 Emotionally, we get the payoff next week in family. 194 00:09:58.259 --> 00:09:59.879 So that works as well. 195 00:09:59.940 --> 00:10:01.559 So it is satisfying overall. 196 00:10:01.620 --> 00:10:04.200 You know, me, I just love a space battle. 197 00:10:04.320 --> 00:10:05.460 Yeah, yeah. 198 00:10:05.519 --> 00:10:09.419 Well, I actually think that they do make a good choice, and it's a 199 00:10:09.419 --> 00:10:12.539 choice that they obviously make for budgetary reasons, but just 200 00:10:12.539 --> 00:10:18.299 their reaction to turning up at the battle and just everyone has 201 00:10:18.299 --> 00:10:20.039 died. staggering that moment. 202 00:10:20.100 --> 00:10:21.779 That is pretty incredible. 203 00:10:21.840 --> 00:10:23.220 Again in Way of the Warrior. 204 00:10:23.279 --> 00:10:25.679 They have a moment where there's a lot, and it's a more 205 00:10:25.679 --> 00:10:29.460 technically better executed scene of loads of spaceships, like a 206 00:10:29.460 --> 00:10:32.519 big spaceship graveyard, but because this is the 1st time it 207 00:10:32.519 --> 00:10:32.879 happened. 208 00:10:32.940 --> 00:10:36.840 It's the most potent example because it's like, ooh, I've never 209 00:10:36.840 --> 00:10:38.220 faced anything quite like this before. 210 00:10:38.279 --> 00:10:41.039 Anyway, Warriors, like, well, it's a bit like best of both worlds 211 00:10:41.039 --> 00:10:41.759 really, isn't it? 212 00:10:42.419 --> 00:10:45.960 The trouble is, when they start repeating things, you just compare 213 00:10:45.960 --> 00:10:48.779 again and again, what I'll do it a lot on this podcast. 214 00:10:49.559 --> 00:10:52.320 Pillar also says they've been looking throughout the 3rd season 215 00:10:52.320 --> 00:10:57.600 for ways to bring the ball back and that no writer wanted to touch 216 00:10:57.600 --> 00:11:00.179 it because they were like, well, they're just they're robots 217 00:11:00.179 --> 00:11:01.019 without personality. 218 00:11:01.080 --> 00:11:02.159 How do we do this? 219 00:11:02.220 --> 00:11:05.399 And so Pillar came up with the idea, okay, well, let's have a 220 00:11:05.399 --> 00:11:08.220 queen bee and let's give it a personality. 221 00:11:08.279 --> 00:11:10.500 And obviously, ultimately, they would do that with the ball queen 222 00:11:10.500 --> 00:11:11.279 in 1st contact. 223 00:11:11.340 --> 00:11:14.159 And then when he settled on the fact that this would be the season 224 00:11:14.159 --> 00:11:18.179 finale, he's like, 0 my god, Picard is the queen bee. 225 00:11:18.240 --> 00:11:20.460 That is a great way to end the season. 226 00:11:20.519 --> 00:11:23.100 So it all sort of came together at the right time. 227 00:11:23.159 --> 00:11:27.720 Although I think if they could have the Borg episode would have 228 00:11:27.720 --> 00:11:28.440 been earlier this year. 229 00:11:28.500 --> 00:11:30.779 So, please, they waited. 230 00:11:30.899 --> 00:11:35.460 The other bit of trivia I've got is from Ron Moore, who says that 231 00:11:35.460 --> 00:11:39.299 this is basically the moment that TNG stepped out of the shadows 232 00:11:39.299 --> 00:11:40.379 of TOS. 233 00:11:40.440 --> 00:11:43.799 He goes, we were well into writing the new episodes for the 4th 234 00:11:43.799 --> 00:11:47.039 season when the 1st season finale, best of both worlds, was 235 00:11:47.039 --> 00:11:49.379 broadcast, and all hell broke loose. 236 00:11:49.440 --> 00:11:52.919 That episode, Trek's 1st cliffhanger, touched a chord with the 237 00:11:52.919 --> 00:11:56.940 audience, and suddenly everyone was talking about TNG. 238 00:11:57.000 --> 00:12:00.179 We were seeing press clippings from all over the media with a buzz 239 00:12:00.179 --> 00:12:04.379 about how wild it was to see Picard being borgified into Locutus 240 00:12:04.379 --> 00:12:07.919 and how stunning Riker's shout of fire was just before the final 241 00:12:07.919 --> 00:12:08.580 cutback. 242 00:12:08.700 --> 00:12:12.000 It wasn't until after the best of both worlds that you felt the 243 00:12:12.000 --> 00:12:17.039 whole shift and suddenly we were Star Trek. 244 00:12:17.100 --> 00:12:20.159 So that's probably the biggest impact this had. 245 00:12:20.220 --> 00:12:22.320 It's like, oh, TOS, what was that? 246 00:12:22.379 --> 00:12:22.919 Do you remember that? 247 00:12:23.100 --> 00:12:24.480 Yeah. 248 00:12:24.539 --> 00:12:28.259 Yeah, I mean, I think it is already under Michael Pillar starting 249 00:12:28.259 --> 00:12:30.960 to move out of TOS's shadow. 250 00:12:31.019 --> 00:12:32.039 Yeah. 251 00:12:32.100 --> 00:12:33.120 Terrific free. 252 00:12:33.179 --> 00:12:34.679 I mean, the hit rating three. 253 00:12:34.740 --> 00:12:35.879 Yeah, yeah. 254 00:12:35.940 --> 00:12:41.220 But we're just at the real start of Star Trek's Imperial Phase, I 255 00:12:41.220 --> 00:12:41.460 think. 256 00:12:41.519 --> 00:12:42.539 It's huge. 257 00:12:42.600 --> 00:12:44.399 It never gets bigger than this. 258 00:12:44.460 --> 00:12:49.320 And so it's rightly remembered, even though we are forced to kind 259 00:12:49.320 --> 00:12:52.259 of slightly overlook some of its deficiency. 260 00:12:52.320 --> 00:12:55.799 Yeah, well, see, I'm going to do some comparisons with things you 261 00:12:55.799 --> 00:12:59.820 said about Voyager episodes on kindly, which absolutely refer to 262 00:12:59.820 --> 00:13:00.419 this episode too. 263 00:13:00.480 --> 00:13:05.399 But I think I think there's a sort of bias, not from you, but from 264 00:13:05.399 --> 00:13:09.059 people in general that when something is considered an all-time 265 00:13:09.059 --> 00:13:12.779 classic, you sort of smooth over the rough edges and go, well, you 266 00:13:12.779 --> 00:13:15.059 know, who cares, you know, it's a classic. 267 00:13:15.120 --> 00:13:16.440 That's fair. 268 00:13:16.500 --> 00:13:21.299 And like I said, like we've said before, Hegemony, which we did a 269 00:13:21.299 --> 00:13:25.679 couple of months ago, is very much a remake of this, even down to 270 00:13:25.679 --> 00:13:26.700 the resolution. 271 00:13:26.759 --> 00:13:31.860 And so we're still using the knowledge that we have about how this 272 00:13:31.860 --> 00:13:34.799 worked to create new Star Trek, I think. 273 00:13:34.860 --> 00:13:38.100 And in all sorts of ways, Germany is superior to this. 274 00:13:38.159 --> 00:13:40.379 Oh, it's a much better bit of telly. 275 00:13:40.500 --> 00:13:43.440 I'll tell you what, people won't remember Hegemony. 276 00:13:43.500 --> 00:13:45.480 People will remember the best of both. 277 00:13:45.539 --> 00:13:46.019 Absolutely. 278 00:13:46.080 --> 00:13:46.500 Yeah. 279 00:13:46.980 --> 00:13:48.840 Well, what do you think? 280 00:13:48.899 --> 00:13:49.559 We should go in. 281 00:13:49.620 --> 00:13:51.000 Let's do it Yes. 282 00:13:51.059 --> 00:13:52.200 You know, Nathan. 283 00:13:52.259 --> 00:13:53.940 You're in my way. 284 00:13:54.000 --> 00:13:54.419 Let's go. 285 00:13:56.100 --> 00:13:57.720 All right. 286 00:13:57.779 --> 00:13:59.340 I'll count us in. 287 00:13:59.759 --> 00:14:06.659 Five, four, three, two, one, and we're off. 288 00:14:06.720 --> 00:14:08.759 Off we go. 289 00:14:08.820 --> 00:14:11.759 Now, I can't hear it, but I know immediately Ron Jones is doing 290 00:14:11.759 --> 00:14:15.240 his suspense music under the shut the Enterprise. 291 00:14:15.299 --> 00:14:17.700 You know immediately something serious is going on. 292 00:14:17.759 --> 00:14:18.840 Yeah. 293 00:14:18.899 --> 00:14:21.600 And I think he did pull that trick in the neutral zone as well, to 294 00:14:21.600 --> 00:14:22.019 be honest. 295 00:14:22.080 --> 00:14:25.019 I think that we got the sense that something huge was happening 296 00:14:25.019 --> 00:14:27.899 just from the music really early on. 297 00:14:27.960 --> 00:14:29.639 I mean, I do like the fact that we're starting like a normal 298 00:14:29.639 --> 00:14:30.120 episode. 299 00:14:30.179 --> 00:14:31.740 We're going down to a colony planet. 300 00:14:31.799 --> 00:14:34.919 We're probably going to see stock colony set number 82. 301 00:14:35.039 --> 00:14:38.580 Yeah, except that the Borg have scooped it off the surface of the 302 00:14:38.580 --> 00:14:39.000 place. 303 00:14:39.059 --> 00:14:40.440 It's so great. 304 00:14:40.500 --> 00:14:43.559 It's so potent, that image, isn't it? 305 00:14:43.620 --> 00:14:45.360 It's like someone's taken on. 306 00:14:45.419 --> 00:14:45.899 Oh go on. 307 00:14:45.960 --> 00:14:47.100 Yeah, go on. 308 00:14:47.159 --> 00:14:50.820 So we've had it described to us because that was the phenomenon 309 00:14:50.820 --> 00:14:53.519 that we were investigating in the neutral zone was these giant 310 00:14:53.519 --> 00:14:58.440 craters where colonies had been taken off the surface of the 311 00:14:58.440 --> 00:14:58.919 planet. 312 00:14:58.980 --> 00:15:04.799 But why does he say you're at the centre of town when they're at a 313 00:15:04.799 --> 00:15:06.659 cliff and then they look down? 314 00:15:08.279 --> 00:15:10.740 I don't think it was the centre of town. 315 00:15:11.220 --> 00:15:15.120 I mean, I don't know how much of this has been cleaned up for the 316 00:15:15.120 --> 00:15:19.559 HD version, but not a lot, I think, at least incredible. 317 00:15:19.620 --> 00:15:22.080 Because I just look amazing, isn't it? 318 00:15:22.139 --> 00:15:24.000 Yeah, yeah, absolutely it is. 319 00:15:24.059 --> 00:15:28.440 But I mean, you know, this is, you know, the stock planet set 320 00:15:28.440 --> 00:15:30.240 that's been redressed, isn't it? 321 00:15:30.299 --> 00:15:34.620 And it's the only kind of, we get another scene there, and we get 322 00:15:34.620 --> 00:15:38.820 the sets on the Borg cube, but everything else is just as usual on 323 00:15:38.820 --> 00:15:40.080 the Enterprise, I think. 324 00:15:40.139 --> 00:15:43.860 It's just like, and if you've got a long enough memory, you'll be 325 00:15:43.860 --> 00:15:45.360 like, oh, my God. 326 00:15:45.419 --> 00:15:48.240 You know immediately the Borg are back, right? 327 00:15:48.299 --> 00:15:49.259 You can put the pieces together. 328 00:15:49.320 --> 00:15:51.360 It's pretty great, isn't it? 329 00:15:51.419 --> 00:15:52.740 Like I really, really like that. 330 00:15:52.799 --> 00:15:53.820 I think that's tremendous. 331 00:15:53.879 --> 00:15:58.620 But we don't usually go for big spectacle like that in a pre-title 332 00:15:58.620 --> 00:15:59.879 sequence in TNG. 333 00:15:59.940 --> 00:16:02.580 So it does feel like, okay, we're up a notch already. 334 00:16:02.639 --> 00:16:04.500 Yeah, it's huge. absolutely huge. 335 00:16:04.559 --> 00:16:07.919 Yeah, well, those colonies are so boring, you know? 336 00:16:07.980 --> 00:16:12.240 I came along with a giant ice cream scoop and went, right, we'll 337 00:16:12.240 --> 00:16:12.659 get rid of that. 338 00:16:12.840 --> 00:16:16.500 That will save us another boring adventure with politics and 339 00:16:16.500 --> 00:16:17.220 negotiations. 340 00:16:17.279 --> 00:16:21.720 Well, it's really fun, isn't it, that they just described it 341 00:16:21.720 --> 00:16:24.840 before, and so they didn't have to pay to realise that it was just 342 00:16:24.840 --> 00:16:28.379 a line of dialogue that was very cheap to type, and now we 343 00:16:28.379 --> 00:16:31.679 actually get to see it, which is really terrific, and was 344 00:16:31.679 --> 00:16:33.779 absolutely gobsmacking at the time. 345 00:16:33.840 --> 00:16:36.600 They're pulling off that shit where they're just describing these 346 00:16:36.600 --> 00:16:37.379 colony. 347 00:16:37.440 --> 00:16:41.460 Amazing cities all the way up to the 37s in Voyager, you know 348 00:16:41.460 --> 00:16:41.879 right? 349 00:16:41.940 --> 00:16:44.340 My God, did you see that city? 350 00:16:44.460 --> 00:16:45.899 Just beautiful, wasn't it? 351 00:16:47.759 --> 00:16:50.580 But I mean, there is a lot of that here. 352 00:16:50.639 --> 00:16:53.340 Like a lot of the action that they can't afford to realise there's 353 00:16:53.340 --> 00:16:56.700 just being done in what is essentially messenger speeches. 354 00:16:56.759 --> 00:17:02.100 You know, you've got Admiral Hansen on the, on the video phone 355 00:17:02.100 --> 00:17:05.759 FaceTiming into the observation lounge and, you know, his ship 356 00:17:05.759 --> 00:17:09.180 being destroyed, but we can't afford to see that battle. 357 00:17:09.240 --> 00:17:10.019 And that works. 358 00:17:10.079 --> 00:17:13.079 There are lots of lovely touches like that and the mention of the 359 00:17:13.079 --> 00:17:15.240 Melbourne in episode two, right? 360 00:17:15.240 --> 00:17:18.299 Where stuff that could have happened in one impacts too. 361 00:17:18.359 --> 00:17:21.779 And you go, oh, you dodged a bullet there, right? 362 00:17:21.839 --> 00:17:24.240 Thank goodness you didn't take the Melbourne. 363 00:17:24.299 --> 00:17:30.779 So, um, the thing here is, right, we're watching the new HD 364 00:17:30.779 --> 00:17:34.680 special effects, and I think generally they're very good, and I'm 365 00:17:34.680 --> 00:17:38.460 glad that we have them because I think, you know, it increases the 366 00:17:38.460 --> 00:17:43.980 potential longevity of the show, but I would love to see the 367 00:17:43.980 --> 00:17:45.839 original special effects. 368 00:17:45.900 --> 00:17:48.720 I would really, really like to see what it looked like 369 00:17:48.720 --> 00:17:49.500 originally. 370 00:17:49.559 --> 00:17:53.579 I don't think they've changed them substantially. down here if you 371 00:17:53.579 --> 00:17:54.059 want to watch them? 372 00:17:54.119 --> 00:17:55.440 Yeah, yeah. 373 00:17:55.500 --> 00:17:58.740 I mean, I don't have access to any of that, and I would really 374 00:17:58.740 --> 00:18:03.000 really like to see what it looks like because there is still an 375 00:18:03.000 --> 00:18:07.619 enormous amount of stock footage, an enormous number of visual 376 00:18:07.619 --> 00:18:10.740 effect shots that they have just reused. 377 00:18:10.799 --> 00:18:15.119 Um, they did create a lot of optical shots, but they didn't often 378 00:18:15.119 --> 00:18:19.019 have to do that in Star Trek, but they wouldn't do DS9, wasn't 379 00:18:19.019 --> 00:18:19.200 it? 380 00:18:19.259 --> 00:18:21.660 Because they had all of those space battles that would have been 381 00:18:21.660 --> 00:18:24.359 prohibitively expensive to do or redo. 382 00:18:24.420 --> 00:18:24.900 Yeah. 383 00:18:24.960 --> 00:18:26.039 Yeah, that's right. 384 00:18:26.099 --> 00:18:31.380 Um, and and things like, you know, the, um, terrible odo special 385 00:18:31.380 --> 00:18:33.960 effects and stuff like that, which would have needed to be 386 00:18:33.960 --> 00:18:34.319 redone. 387 00:18:34.380 --> 00:18:38.220 Now, one of my nickels with this. 388 00:18:38.279 --> 00:18:41.640 I think the Riker storyline is amazing in this, yeah. 389 00:18:41.700 --> 00:18:45.240 But my nickel is, is like, yeah, we're all talking about, okay 390 00:18:45.240 --> 00:18:47.039 he's been offered a ship 3 times now. 391 00:18:47.099 --> 00:18:49.019 He's not taking it. 392 00:18:49.079 --> 00:18:51.420 He's looking a little seasoned, you know. 393 00:18:51.480 --> 00:18:54.720 He's manoeuvred into a position where he does have to take the 394 00:18:54.720 --> 00:18:57.900 Enterprise in episode 2 and B the captain. 395 00:18:57.960 --> 00:19:02.039 It really feels like this should be the point where he moves on. 396 00:19:02.099 --> 00:19:06.960 And the fact that he goes on to do another, what, 4 seasons as the 397 00:19:06.960 --> 00:19:10.200 1st officer, longer even with the movies is like, okay. 398 00:19:10.259 --> 00:19:12.900 Well I guess they just stopped offering him the captain's chair 399 00:19:12.900 --> 00:19:13.500 after this. 400 00:19:13.680 --> 00:19:20.579 But I think that it still works because, like, um, because 401 00:19:20.579 --> 00:19:26.460 initially he's not sure why he wants to stay on, and and Deanna 402 00:19:26.460 --> 00:19:30.000 says, if you're happy, that's a good enough reason to stay on. 403 00:19:30.059 --> 00:19:33.480 You don't have to go on to the next thing to the captain's thing 404 00:19:33.480 --> 00:19:34.740 if you're happy. 405 00:19:34.799 --> 00:19:37.559 You are currently happier than I've ever seen you, and that's a 406 00:19:37.559 --> 00:19:38.640 perfectly good reason to stay. 407 00:19:38.700 --> 00:19:43.740 And he's assured that it's not because he can't do the job or he's 408 00:19:43.740 --> 00:19:46.920 scared of the job, because he's able to do the job and he shows 409 00:19:46.920 --> 00:19:48.000 himself able to do the job. 410 00:19:48.119 --> 00:19:49.799 At the end of this episode, right? 411 00:19:49.859 --> 00:19:54.359 It's a whole sort of episode about Riker making safe choices. 412 00:19:54.420 --> 00:19:57.000 And at the end of the episode, he has to make a very tough choice 413 00:19:57.000 --> 00:19:57.539 indeed. 414 00:19:57.660 --> 00:20:00.359 And Shelby is telling him not to make it. 415 00:20:00.420 --> 00:20:03.480 Like Shelby is saying, no, no, no, we have to do something else. 416 00:20:03.539 --> 00:20:04.740 You can't make this choice. 417 00:20:04.799 --> 00:20:08.039 So Shelby is the one who is backing down and he's now the one 418 00:20:08.039 --> 00:20:09.119 making the hard choice. 419 00:20:09.180 --> 00:20:13.500 And so he demonstrates to everyone that he's able to do it 420 00:20:13.500 --> 00:20:14.339 including himself. 421 00:20:14.400 --> 00:20:17.819 And so that closes that question down, no longer becomes a 422 00:20:17.819 --> 00:20:18.180 problem. 423 00:20:18.240 --> 00:20:20.519 He doesn't look like a spare part. 424 00:20:20.579 --> 00:20:24.240 He doesn't look like he's riding on a famous man's coattails or 425 00:20:24.240 --> 00:20:26.039 whatever. brought up again. 426 00:20:26.099 --> 00:20:27.779 Is he ever brought up again after this? 427 00:20:27.960 --> 00:20:30.660 about him having a promotion. 428 00:20:30.779 --> 00:20:34.380 Well, no, I mean, he takes the Titan, doesn't he? 429 00:20:34.440 --> 00:20:37.500 A nemesis, but he's hanging around because he's having fun. 430 00:20:37.559 --> 00:20:38.039 He likes it. 431 00:20:38.099 --> 00:20:40.680 I think that's okay. talk about nemesis, you know. 432 00:20:40.740 --> 00:20:41.519 No. 433 00:20:41.579 --> 00:20:46.319 But the other thing too is, because we're talking about a 434 00:20:46.319 --> 00:20:50.700 potential shakeup, something that affects the show that we're 435 00:20:50.700 --> 00:20:51.000 seeing. 436 00:20:51.059 --> 00:20:53.099 I mean, we've had some cast changes already. 437 00:20:53.160 --> 00:20:53.880 We've had three. 438 00:20:53.940 --> 00:20:55.619 We've lost Denise. 439 00:20:55.680 --> 00:20:57.900 We lost gates and we got gates back. 440 00:20:57.960 --> 00:21:02.759 So we have had changes of cast in this show, but changing him or 441 00:21:02.759 --> 00:21:03.839 replacing him with her. 442 00:21:04.200 --> 00:21:08.220 Or replacing Picard with her. 443 00:21:08.279 --> 00:21:09.480 Do you know what I mean? 444 00:21:09.539 --> 00:21:11.160 That's a huge change to the show. 445 00:21:11.220 --> 00:21:13.859 And so that's the other thing that makes it have scale. 446 00:21:13.920 --> 00:21:19.140 You know how we talked about series 4 of enterprise where they 447 00:21:19.140 --> 00:21:22.259 have those linked stories and one thing that gives them scale is 448 00:21:22.259 --> 00:21:26.700 that the status quo changes and that's what makes it seem like a 449 00:21:26.700 --> 00:21:28.380 Star Trek movie, for instance. 450 00:21:28.440 --> 00:21:29.700 And I think we get that here. 451 00:21:29.700 --> 00:21:33.420 Also discussion from 6 into 7 with DS9, isn't it? 452 00:21:33.480 --> 00:21:36.359 We get rid of DAX and we bring in Ezry Dax, you know? 453 00:21:36.420 --> 00:21:37.440 It's a huge shift. 454 00:21:37.440 --> 00:21:41.039 And you feel the impact. is a different show with a different 455 00:21:41.039 --> 00:21:42.000 regular in there. 456 00:21:42.059 --> 00:21:43.559 Oh, yeah. 457 00:21:43.559 --> 00:21:48.000 Actually, the thing about Pillar, Riker being happy, Pillar said 458 00:21:48.000 --> 00:21:51.599 that that was ultimately, he is literally doing therapy, right, in 459 00:21:51.599 --> 00:21:52.079 this script. 460 00:21:52.140 --> 00:21:56.279 He came to the conclusion that he was really happy making Star 461 00:21:56.279 --> 00:21:57.900 Trek. 462 00:21:58.019 --> 00:22:00.180 What's the point of ambition? 463 00:22:00.240 --> 00:22:02.220 I've got to sold that cliffhanger now. 464 00:22:02.279 --> 00:22:03.180 Yeah, yeah. 465 00:22:03.240 --> 00:22:05.279 But literally, what's the point of being ambitious? 466 00:22:05.339 --> 00:22:06.720 Like, why do you want the big job? 467 00:22:06.779 --> 00:22:07.680 Do you know what I mean? 468 00:22:07.740 --> 00:22:10.920 If you're happy, the way you're living your life, what's more 469 00:22:10.920 --> 00:22:13.559 important than that, you know, like this is revenge though 470 00:22:13.559 --> 00:22:13.799 Nathan. 471 00:22:13.859 --> 00:22:17.460 Do you remember his last script, basics part one, where he's like 472 00:22:17.460 --> 00:22:20.400 right, he leaves that to someone else. 473 00:22:21.059 --> 00:22:23.279 There's lizards everywhere. 474 00:22:23.339 --> 00:22:24.240 See you, guys. 475 00:22:24.299 --> 00:22:25.799 Good luck, Jerry. 476 00:22:25.799 --> 00:22:26.640 Cliffhanger. 477 00:22:26.700 --> 00:22:28.740 It's wonderful. 478 00:22:28.799 --> 00:22:30.180 Get out of that one. 479 00:22:30.299 --> 00:22:34.920 Oh, poor Wesley, the most naive poker player there ever was. 480 00:22:34.980 --> 00:22:38.759 I love data explaining poker to him. 481 00:22:38.819 --> 00:22:42.779 Commander Riker may be bluffing, which I just think is adorable. 482 00:22:42.839 --> 00:22:47.579 I do use these poker scenes a lot to express character rather than 483 00:22:47.579 --> 00:22:49.680 just having character scenes, don't they? 484 00:22:49.799 --> 00:22:51.660 I like it though. 485 00:22:51.720 --> 00:22:55.019 I think it's like a reasonable thing. 486 00:22:55.079 --> 00:22:55.740 Yeah, yeah. 487 00:22:55.799 --> 00:22:57.599 And that's great. 488 00:22:57.660 --> 00:23:02.160 She wins and she's a look how triumphant she is. 489 00:23:02.519 --> 00:23:04.559 She's really great. 490 00:23:04.680 --> 00:23:06.720 She's tremendous. 491 00:23:06.779 --> 00:23:09.480 So she does come back, obviously, in Picard series 3. 492 00:23:09.720 --> 00:23:12.420 And as usual, she's probably killed in that. 493 00:23:12.480 --> 00:23:17.339 If that was PS9 though, we would have been seeing a, you know, a 494 00:23:17.339 --> 00:23:21.299 couple of times a year. the only show that goes, my God, that's a 495 00:23:21.299 --> 00:23:21.900 great character. 496 00:23:21.960 --> 00:23:23.460 Let's find a way to bring it back. 497 00:23:23.519 --> 00:23:27.420 I mean, THG does a bit of that, Gowron, Mrs. Troy. 498 00:23:27.480 --> 00:23:28.680 It does to a bit of that. 499 00:23:28.920 --> 00:23:31.319 Yeah, not as much. 500 00:23:35.460 --> 00:23:38.460 Oh, Ryker's so pissed now, isn't it? 501 00:23:38.519 --> 00:23:39.240 She's already there. 502 00:23:39.299 --> 00:23:39.839 Yeah. 503 00:23:39.839 --> 00:23:40.920 Yeah. 504 00:23:40.980 --> 00:23:43.980 Yeah, it's it's funny too, isn't it? 505 00:23:44.039 --> 00:23:45.779 I love the walk with me. 506 00:23:45.839 --> 00:23:50.039 Like, I hadn't realised as a child quite how threatening that was 507 00:23:50.039 --> 00:23:54.420 because it means we've got to walk out of earshot of these people 508 00:23:54.420 --> 00:23:56.759 because I'm going to rip you a new one. 509 00:23:56.819 --> 00:23:59.519 Have you, which I think is really cool. quotes by Elizabeth 510 00:23:59.519 --> 00:24:00.480 Dennahy. 511 00:24:00.539 --> 00:24:04.619 Oh my god, where she goes, I mean, this language that I had to 512 00:24:04.619 --> 00:24:05.640 talk in Star Trek. 513 00:24:05.700 --> 00:24:08.880 She goes, the 1st time I saw Michael Pillar on the site, I went 514 00:24:08.880 --> 00:24:09.839 you, come here. 515 00:24:10.740 --> 00:24:13.259 What is this bullshit? 516 00:24:13.319 --> 00:24:14.519 I've got to remember. 517 00:24:14.579 --> 00:24:18.180 And she goes, she really struggled because she has to come in 518 00:24:18.180 --> 00:24:23.220 being like an instant authority figure amongst an ensemble crew of 519 00:24:23.220 --> 00:24:26.759 actors that are so used to each other and she's the outsider. 520 00:24:27.420 --> 00:24:31.079 So she goes, it was a real struggle, like maintaining that 521 00:24:31.079 --> 00:24:32.759 authority throughout the entire episode. 522 00:24:32.819 --> 00:24:34.920 But boy, Elizabeth, you did a great job. 523 00:24:34.980 --> 00:24:36.839 Yeah, she's terrific. 524 00:24:36.900 --> 00:24:41.579 And I actually really like, like, the techno babble here too. 525 00:24:41.640 --> 00:24:44.700 And I, because I don't think pillar likes techno babble very much 526 00:24:44.700 --> 00:24:45.119 either. 527 00:24:45.299 --> 00:24:47.400 It's gentle, isn't it? 528 00:24:47.460 --> 00:24:48.660 Yeah, yeah. 529 00:24:48.720 --> 00:24:55.079 It's the Borg signature, like, which we detected on the big... 530 00:24:55.140 --> 00:24:56.759 Yeah, or something magnetic. 531 00:24:56.819 --> 00:24:57.720 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 532 00:24:57.779 --> 00:24:59.039 It doesn't matter. 533 00:24:59.099 --> 00:24:59.880 It's a footprint. 534 00:24:59.940 --> 00:25:03.480 They say it's a footprint. magnetic resonance traces. 535 00:25:04.079 --> 00:25:05.519 Yeah. 536 00:25:05.579 --> 00:25:06.240 Yeah. 537 00:25:06.299 --> 00:25:10.980 So, again, there's something about the lighting here, which lifts 538 00:25:10.980 --> 00:25:14.640 it a little bit, but it is still a terrible studio set, isn't it? 539 00:25:14.700 --> 00:25:17.940 It does, ultimately, the episode boils down to just firing a gum 540 00:25:17.940 --> 00:25:18.960 at the Baulk ship. 541 00:25:19.019 --> 00:25:20.880 And that's something I can understand completely. 542 00:25:20.940 --> 00:25:21.420 Yeah, you know? 543 00:25:21.480 --> 00:25:22.559 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 544 00:25:23.039 --> 00:25:27.599 Yeah, but now, Ron Jones, man, it's just building and building and 545 00:25:27.599 --> 00:25:32.460 building, and it doesn't cut loose until we have engaged the 546 00:25:32.460 --> 00:25:32.940 Borg. 547 00:25:33.000 --> 00:25:36.420 And then the choir comes in, the... 548 00:25:36.420 --> 00:25:37.440 Oh, it's so great. 549 00:25:37.559 --> 00:25:38.339 It's wonderful. 550 00:25:38.400 --> 00:25:39.599 It's really great. 551 00:25:39.660 --> 00:25:40.799 Oh boy. 552 00:25:41.220 --> 00:25:45.900 I see, I like all of this sort of suggestion of horror to come. 553 00:25:45.960 --> 00:25:48.539 We don't do a lot of that in TNG either, really. 554 00:25:48.599 --> 00:25:54.539 No, there's a scene again, which I think he's probably, it 555 00:25:54.539 --> 00:25:59.220 probably doesn't really work, but it's the scene between Gynan and 556 00:25:59.220 --> 00:26:04.440 Picard, where they speculate about whether this is the end of 557 00:26:04.440 --> 00:26:06.779 human civilisation. 558 00:26:06.839 --> 00:26:09.779 And it's all just a little bit too abstract and abstract and 559 00:26:09.779 --> 00:26:12.960 academic and some of the dialogue doesn't really make sense in 560 00:26:12.960 --> 00:26:13.680 context. 561 00:26:13.740 --> 00:26:19.140 But that's a way of expressing the scale of what's going on. 562 00:26:19.200 --> 00:26:23.279 I think the going and Riker scene in episode 2 is extraordinary. 563 00:26:23.700 --> 00:26:29.039 Yeah, but again, it's the sort of thing, I mean, it starts so 564 00:26:29.039 --> 00:26:31.859 poorly that scene. will get there, but it's that thing where he 565 00:26:31.859 --> 00:26:35.519 walks into the ready room, looks at the chair and says, what would 566 00:26:35.519 --> 00:26:35.880 you do? 567 00:26:36.000 --> 00:26:37.559 And you kind of go, come on. 568 00:26:37.619 --> 00:26:40.019 Are we talking chairs now? 569 00:26:40.079 --> 00:26:40.859 before. 570 00:26:40.920 --> 00:26:45.299 We would be able to tell why you were staring at the chair. 571 00:26:45.359 --> 00:26:47.400 We didn't need the line of dialogue for that. 572 00:26:47.460 --> 00:26:50.400 And particularly, starting the scene where he's staring at the 573 00:26:50.400 --> 00:26:52.980 chair and ending the scene where he sat in the chair. 574 00:26:53.039 --> 00:26:54.000 Do you know what I mean? 575 00:26:54.059 --> 00:26:56.400 Like, that's very clearly the trajectory of that. 576 00:26:56.460 --> 00:26:57.599 I don't think we needed them. 577 00:26:57.720 --> 00:27:01.920 Oh, this would you do. wonderful scene where he's asking Troy. 578 00:27:01.980 --> 00:27:03.240 Yeah, why haven't I left yet? 579 00:27:03.299 --> 00:27:05.759 She goes towards it, yes, yeah. 580 00:27:05.819 --> 00:27:07.140 Maybe you're getting a bit seasoned. 581 00:27:07.200 --> 00:27:09.119 He goes, oh, God. 582 00:27:09.180 --> 00:27:09.779 You're kidding me. 583 00:27:12.119 --> 00:27:14.099 I'm beyond season. 584 00:27:14.160 --> 00:27:15.480 I'm ripe now, Nathan. 585 00:27:15.839 --> 00:27:19.500 But I mean, I mean, look, we've got a standing yellow alert. 586 00:27:19.559 --> 00:27:24.240 The Borg of scoop the thing off the ship, and just everyone's in 587 00:27:24.240 --> 00:27:24.660 the bar. 588 00:27:24.720 --> 00:27:25.559 Do you know what I mean? 589 00:27:25.619 --> 00:27:26.700 Yeah, really. 590 00:27:26.700 --> 00:27:27.180 Yeah. 591 00:27:27.240 --> 00:27:31.500 Yeah, there's not a real sense of urgency happening. here. 592 00:27:31.559 --> 00:27:35.279 Like this scene, you know, there's interest because there's people 593 00:27:35.279 --> 00:27:36.900 walking around the background and stuff. 594 00:27:36.960 --> 00:27:40.980 Like in, yeah, I know I'm making a lot of comparisons to cool to 595 00:27:40.980 --> 00:27:43.440 watch, but I do think it is a better pet television. 596 00:27:43.500 --> 00:27:47.339 That, you know, as they're preparing and Cisco goes, you know 597 00:27:47.339 --> 00:27:48.000 they're going to attack. 598 00:27:48.059 --> 00:27:49.380 Suddenly everyone's got guns. 599 00:27:49.440 --> 00:27:52.200 We're all preparing for the fight, you know, and it's, it feels 600 00:27:52.200 --> 00:27:54.059 like something huge is going to happen. 601 00:27:54.119 --> 00:27:58.680 But I do like in this that we've had Q-Hoo and that amazing 602 00:27:58.680 --> 00:28:03.660 sequence where the Borg slides into the ship and take out like 4 603 00:28:03.660 --> 00:28:04.799 decks or whatever it is. 604 00:28:04.859 --> 00:28:08.880 So we've seen the impact of what they can do on one ship. 605 00:28:08.940 --> 00:28:11.160 So we know they're a massive threat. 606 00:28:11.220 --> 00:28:16.019 And so I still think there is a threat building, even if we are 607 00:28:16.019 --> 00:28:17.640 just sitting in Denford. 608 00:28:17.700 --> 00:28:18.660 Yeah. 609 00:28:18.720 --> 00:28:22.859 I loved her line of dialogue where he says maybe I've just got too 610 00:28:22.859 --> 00:28:25.200 comfortable here and she says, I don't know what that could 611 00:28:25.200 --> 00:28:25.980 possibly mean. 612 00:28:26.039 --> 00:28:27.900 And I think that's a great line. 613 00:28:27.960 --> 00:28:30.059 Like, what's wrong with being comfortable, too comfortable? 614 00:28:30.119 --> 00:28:30.900 Do you know what I mean? 615 00:28:30.960 --> 00:28:31.500 I'm too happy. 616 00:28:31.559 --> 00:28:32.220 I'm too comfortable. 617 00:28:32.279 --> 00:28:33.960 Like being comfortable is good. 618 00:28:34.019 --> 00:28:35.160 That's what we want. 619 00:28:35.220 --> 00:28:36.119 Do you know what I mean? 620 00:28:36.180 --> 00:28:39.119 Like, you don't have to go out and make things difficult for 621 00:28:39.119 --> 00:28:39.420 yourself. 622 00:28:39.480 --> 00:28:43.380 Expectation is that people should be ambitious and want more and 623 00:28:43.380 --> 00:28:45.359 climb and yeah, you know, mate. 624 00:28:45.420 --> 00:28:47.819 I'm very happy with my very boring job, you know? 625 00:28:47.880 --> 00:28:49.859 Yeah, I'm comfortable. 626 00:28:49.920 --> 00:28:52.140 Yeah, I think that stuff's crazy. 627 00:28:52.259 --> 00:28:54.960 I think the important thing isn't the at what higher position you 628 00:28:54.960 --> 00:28:56.759 have. how high a position you have. 629 00:28:56.819 --> 00:28:59.099 It's how, what are you living your life? 630 00:28:59.160 --> 00:29:00.539 Yeah, yeah, exactly. 631 00:29:00.539 --> 00:29:03.599 The bit now where it makes her go to, you know, we all need some 632 00:29:03.599 --> 00:29:06.599 rest and she wants to stay up and he forces her to go and rest. 633 00:29:06.599 --> 00:29:09.839 The look she gives him could wither front. 634 00:29:09.900 --> 00:29:10.500 Yeah, yeah. 635 00:29:10.559 --> 00:29:12.180 I mean it's a vicious look. 636 00:29:12.240 --> 00:29:16.680 His look as well, where he kind of goes, you know, what the hell 637 00:29:16.680 --> 00:29:17.220 is she? 638 00:29:17.279 --> 00:29:18.359 Do you know what I mean? 639 00:29:18.420 --> 00:29:21.359 Like, I do like seeing Riker on the back foot, though. 640 00:29:21.420 --> 00:29:23.460 He's normally so relaxed, isn't he? 641 00:29:23.579 --> 00:29:26.579 It's an interesting thing for Jonathan Frakes to play. 642 00:29:26.640 --> 00:29:28.440 Yeah, I agree. 643 00:29:28.500 --> 00:29:28.920 I agree. 644 00:29:28.980 --> 00:29:34.440 You know, there's that natural companion comparison of him to Kirk 645 00:29:34.440 --> 00:29:36.720 and, you know, it's why he has the middle initial, isn't it? 646 00:29:36.779 --> 00:29:40.319 Um, because they're supposed to be similar, but he's quite unlike 647 00:29:40.319 --> 00:29:43.440 his energy is so unlike her because he is so much more chill. 648 00:29:43.500 --> 00:29:46.980 You should have very cute mad in the back of the scene there, sort 649 00:29:46.980 --> 00:29:47.519 of looking on. 650 00:29:47.579 --> 00:29:48.180 Oh no. 651 00:29:48.180 --> 00:29:49.680 Yeah, he was very handsome. 652 00:29:49.740 --> 00:29:50.940 No, I missed him. 653 00:29:51.000 --> 00:29:51.599 I don't know. 654 00:29:51.720 --> 00:29:52.859 He doesn't have a line or anything. 655 00:29:52.920 --> 00:29:53.819 It's like, why is there? 656 00:29:53.880 --> 00:29:54.359 God knows. 657 00:29:54.420 --> 00:29:55.980 Just to be pretty, perhaps. 658 00:29:56.220 --> 00:30:01.019 I really like too, just how they have nothing. 659 00:30:01.079 --> 00:30:01.799 Do you know what I mean? 660 00:30:01.859 --> 00:30:04.500 There's all this talk about all the Yeah, that look of triumph 661 00:30:04.500 --> 00:30:07.799 where she just goes, you are going to lose to me. 662 00:30:07.859 --> 00:30:10.740 And then he looks at her at them and goes, what is she like? 663 00:30:10.799 --> 00:30:12.119 Like, that's great. 664 00:30:12.180 --> 00:30:13.859 More of that stuff. 665 00:30:13.920 --> 00:30:17.940 You know, it's a neat moment where you walk out of a room and say 666 00:30:17.940 --> 00:30:20.759 I'm not breaking eye contact with you until I'm out that door. 667 00:30:20.819 --> 00:30:25.200 You know, I've heard a few moments. triumph. just like you are, you 668 00:30:25.200 --> 00:30:28.200 know, you are being a coward. 669 00:30:28.259 --> 00:30:31.140 You are, you know, a player, though. 670 00:30:31.200 --> 00:30:34.980 So it's the bit where he goes, I bring every available option to 671 00:30:34.980 --> 00:30:36.000 the captain, you know? 672 00:30:36.059 --> 00:30:37.619 And the very next scene. 673 00:30:37.680 --> 00:30:39.779 She's in his ready room. 674 00:30:39.839 --> 00:30:43.740 And the look on Riker's face is like, I cannot believe you are 675 00:30:43.740 --> 00:30:44.519 going around me. 676 00:30:44.579 --> 00:30:46.319 Oh, it's great stuff. 677 00:30:46.380 --> 00:30:51.180 So have we turned into like just depressing adults who find all of 678 00:30:51.180 --> 00:30:54.900 the workplace shit in this episode more compelling than the Borg 679 00:30:54.900 --> 00:30:55.200 stuff? 680 00:30:55.259 --> 00:30:57.359 Maybe. 681 00:30:57.359 --> 00:31:00.359 There's some tension for once on this ship. 682 00:31:00.420 --> 00:31:04.200 I don't know you don't want tension all the time, but it does 683 00:31:04.200 --> 00:31:06.539 allow these actors to actually act for once. 684 00:31:06.599 --> 00:31:07.440 Yeah. 685 00:31:07.500 --> 00:31:09.299 I think I think there's that. 686 00:31:09.359 --> 00:31:13.859 I think that the, that the, you know, the received fan wisdom that 687 00:31:13.859 --> 00:31:16.859 the thing that makes Star Trek, the Next Generation boring is that 688 00:31:16.859 --> 00:31:18.539 they're not fighting each other all the time. 689 00:31:18.599 --> 00:31:21.359 That's not what makes... 690 00:31:21.359 --> 00:31:22.980 It's the negotiations. 691 00:31:23.039 --> 00:31:25.019 They're all the problems. 692 00:31:25.079 --> 00:31:26.880 It's generally the leaden direction. 693 00:31:27.420 --> 00:31:29.579 And just how cheap it is. 694 00:31:29.579 --> 00:31:32.579 DS9 isn't a more interesting show for the conflict, though, because 695 00:31:32.579 --> 00:31:34.259 I do love the conflict in DS9. 696 00:31:34.500 --> 00:31:36.000 But they just know how to do it. 697 00:31:36.059 --> 00:31:37.980 I don't think it would work here in the same way. 698 00:31:38.039 --> 00:31:40.140 The conflict between the regulars. 699 00:31:40.200 --> 00:31:41.039 It would have worked. 700 00:31:41.099 --> 00:31:44.700 When you bring in an outsider and that creates conflict. 701 00:31:44.759 --> 00:31:48.779 I mean, like Jellicoe later. telling Troy to put her uniform on. 702 00:31:49.019 --> 00:31:50.640 Yeah, yeah. 703 00:31:50.700 --> 00:31:54.720 And and I think, you know, initially Pulaski in season two. 704 00:31:54.779 --> 00:31:56.220 Oh, wonderful. 705 00:31:56.279 --> 00:31:56.940 Oh, here we go. 706 00:31:57.000 --> 00:31:57.779 This is it now. 707 00:31:57.839 --> 00:31:59.339 We're about to engage the Borg. 708 00:32:01.140 --> 00:32:03.180 Oh, come on, bro. 709 00:32:03.240 --> 00:32:04.980 Get your violins going. 710 00:32:07.319 --> 00:32:09.960 It's an absolutely fake choir. 711 00:32:09.960 --> 00:32:12.900 Like, it's like, it doesn't matter. 712 00:32:12.960 --> 00:32:15.180 Because it's electronic choir. 713 00:32:15.240 --> 00:32:16.019 They're the Borg. 714 00:32:16.079 --> 00:32:18.420 They're computers, you know, or whatever. 715 00:32:18.480 --> 00:32:21.240 The cube in the distance and then all of a sudden it's massive. 716 00:32:21.660 --> 00:32:24.059 Yeah, yeah, yeah. really well done. 717 00:32:24.119 --> 00:32:27.299 They've learned how to use that screen since the Ferengi 1st 718 00:32:27.299 --> 00:32:29.039 appeared in extreme close-up, haven't they? 719 00:32:29.099 --> 00:32:30.180 Yeah. 720 00:32:30.240 --> 00:32:36.119 So, so, um, again, we're seeing the high definition version, which 721 00:32:36.119 --> 00:32:42.119 has a more detailed model and some interior spaces, and I didn't 722 00:32:42.119 --> 00:32:44.759 get the chance to look at the DVDs, and I don't have a real sense 723 00:32:44.759 --> 00:32:48.839 of what it was like, but my feeling is that the Borg cube only 724 00:32:48.839 --> 00:32:56.460 started to have interior spaces really in 1st contact, um, and 725 00:32:56.460 --> 00:32:59.880 that they were much kind of more solid. 726 00:32:59.940 --> 00:33:04.500 And it's surprising actually how much of what we land on for the 727 00:33:04.500 --> 00:33:07.799 Borgs aesthetic and the things that the Borg do and that they look 728 00:33:07.799 --> 00:33:11.700 like that doesn't actually really occur until 1st contact. 729 00:33:11.759 --> 00:33:15.240 I mean, that's a map painting, the interior of the bullshit. 730 00:33:15.299 --> 00:33:16.980 That's great. 731 00:33:17.460 --> 00:33:18.180 That's so good. 732 00:33:18.299 --> 00:33:22.079 It gives you such scale because it comes right up close to where 733 00:33:22.079 --> 00:33:22.980 you can see the people. 734 00:33:23.039 --> 00:33:25.559 So you can see how many rows of people there are. 735 00:33:25.619 --> 00:33:30.240 But also what's great is that it's the thing that's addressing 736 00:33:30.240 --> 00:33:30.599 them. 737 00:33:30.660 --> 00:33:34.440 It's the ship that's addressing them or the collective that's 738 00:33:34.440 --> 00:33:35.099 addressing them. 739 00:33:35.160 --> 00:33:36.420 There's no one there. 740 00:33:36.839 --> 00:33:40.440 Yeah, you can see the little guys in the alcove, can't you? 741 00:33:40.500 --> 00:33:41.400 Yes, great. 742 00:33:41.400 --> 00:33:45.000 But it's a big empty space that's talking to them, which I just 743 00:33:45.000 --> 00:33:46.019 think is amazing. 744 00:33:46.079 --> 00:33:49.019 And then we cut back to this boring set at the bridge. 745 00:33:50.220 --> 00:33:51.720 Look at that. 746 00:33:51.779 --> 00:33:53.519 We could have had that light in all the time. 747 00:33:53.579 --> 00:33:55.680 I bet we get there and Picard, right? 748 00:33:55.740 --> 00:33:58.019 That ship of Rios has got fabulous lighting. 749 00:33:58.079 --> 00:33:58.980 Yeah, yeah. 750 00:33:59.039 --> 00:34:01.740 Now, do you remember actually in Picard? 751 00:34:01.799 --> 00:34:05.220 I don't know if it's the 1st time we see the ball game season one 752 00:34:05.220 --> 00:34:08.460 but where the camera went through the ball ship through all the 753 00:34:08.460 --> 00:34:09.539 layers into the middle. 754 00:34:09.599 --> 00:34:12.960 I mean, let's not pretend that those Borg scenes weren't 755 00:34:12.960 --> 00:34:16.860 interminably boring in Picard series one because they were. 756 00:34:16.920 --> 00:34:18.300 But that was a great show. 757 00:34:18.360 --> 00:34:21.239 And a great location, like a good thing to do. 758 00:34:21.300 --> 00:34:23.880 Like you lean into the board because it's Star Trek. 759 00:34:23.940 --> 00:34:25.920 You know, it's a sequel to Next Generation. 760 00:34:25.980 --> 00:34:27.659 The simplicity of the scale. 761 00:34:27.719 --> 00:34:32.159 Look how small the enterprise looks compared to the ball cube in 762 00:34:32.159 --> 00:34:32.940 some shots. 763 00:34:33.059 --> 00:34:34.800 Well, yes, I know. 764 00:34:35.280 --> 00:34:37.679 The continuity advisor was sick this week. 765 00:34:37.739 --> 00:34:41.400 But that's part of the problem is that they're doing what they 766 00:34:41.400 --> 00:34:41.880 can. 767 00:34:42.000 --> 00:34:46.619 Um, but what's this word shield mutation? 768 00:34:46.679 --> 00:34:47.880 Nutation? 769 00:34:47.940 --> 00:34:48.840 Is that what it is? 770 00:34:48.900 --> 00:34:50.280 That's what I'm getting on the credits. 771 00:34:50.340 --> 00:34:54.719 Um, not on the credits on the, on the, um, uh, sometimes. 772 00:34:54.780 --> 00:34:56.760 The coach caption person was sick that week as well. 773 00:34:56.820 --> 00:35:00.599 Well, a mutation must be a word that means nodding or something. 774 00:35:00.659 --> 00:35:01.920 I don't really know. 775 00:35:01.980 --> 00:35:04.440 I like the idea of changing the frequency, so they can't keep up 776 00:35:04.440 --> 00:35:05.820 with the different ways that you're attacking. 777 00:35:05.880 --> 00:35:07.440 That was always there. 778 00:35:07.500 --> 00:35:08.519 Do you know what I mean? 779 00:35:08.579 --> 00:35:10.139 That was always there in Phewoo as well. 780 00:35:10.260 --> 00:35:13.260 I thought they were going to slice a bit out of the ship again 781 00:35:13.260 --> 00:35:14.519 here when the beam came out. 782 00:35:14.579 --> 00:35:17.280 But again, they're reusing a shot, aren't they? 783 00:35:17.340 --> 00:35:19.260 Are they reusing a shot from Q-Hoo there? 784 00:35:19.320 --> 00:35:21.480 Not a shot that they did, though, of that. 785 00:35:21.539 --> 00:35:25.019 And that was in the original Q-Hoo of the deck set up coming up. 786 00:35:25.079 --> 00:35:26.820 I mean, they've added people inside them. 787 00:35:26.820 --> 00:35:30.000 Now, go, oh, yeah. 788 00:35:30.059 --> 00:35:32.820 Oh, did you see LeVar going under that shield that was 789 00:35:32.820 --> 00:35:33.420 descending? 790 00:35:33.480 --> 00:35:38.039 You could really have just walked out from under there. one hero 791 00:35:38.039 --> 00:35:39.179 moment in this whole episode. 792 00:35:39.239 --> 00:35:40.619 I'm gonna make my use of it. 793 00:35:40.679 --> 00:35:44.039 It is, it's a dominating image, though, that ball cube. 794 00:35:44.099 --> 00:35:47.400 And all the better for being a model, I think. 795 00:35:47.460 --> 00:35:49.920 There's just something tangible about it. 796 00:35:49.980 --> 00:35:55.800 But because of, you know, this is the problem because it's still 797 00:35:55.800 --> 00:35:56.760 models, right? 798 00:35:56.820 --> 00:36:00.119 They do start to like composite digitally, like they start to put 799 00:36:00.119 --> 00:36:06.360 elements together digitally, uh, and maybe in part two, um, but 800 00:36:06.360 --> 00:36:09.360 because they have to build models, they're restricted in what they 801 00:36:09.360 --> 00:36:10.139 can possibly do. 802 00:36:10.199 --> 00:36:14.159 And in the scenes later when they're pursuing the Borg cube 803 00:36:14.159 --> 00:36:18.179 through um hyperspace or whatever, light speed. 804 00:36:18.239 --> 00:36:19.380 What is a subspace? 805 00:36:19.440 --> 00:36:22.260 Whenever they're, you know, in warp and they're pursuing the Borg 806 00:36:22.260 --> 00:36:25.440 cube, they just look the same size as the Borg cube in all of 807 00:36:25.440 --> 00:36:25.920 those shots. 808 00:36:25.980 --> 00:36:27.599 And I think that that's a shame. 809 00:36:27.719 --> 00:36:30.780 So they've had a whole breach and we don't even see it. 810 00:36:30.900 --> 00:36:31.679 No, that's right. 811 00:36:31.739 --> 00:36:33.000 All of this is all. 812 00:36:33.059 --> 00:36:36.179 You know, now we would absolutely see people being sucked out. 813 00:36:36.239 --> 00:36:37.139 Well, we do in voyage. 814 00:36:37.139 --> 00:36:38.159 There's 11 people. 815 00:36:38.219 --> 00:36:40.500 People dead, but no one kind of blinks an eye. 816 00:36:40.559 --> 00:36:41.579 There are 11 people... 817 00:36:41.940 --> 00:36:46.019 Matara led me up from Star Trek 2. 818 00:36:46.199 --> 00:36:47.579 Is this a borrowed special effect? 819 00:36:47.639 --> 00:36:48.539 Yes, yeah. 820 00:36:48.599 --> 00:36:51.539 I mean, it's still, it's vivid though, isn't it? 821 00:36:51.599 --> 00:36:52.199 I love the colours. 822 00:36:52.260 --> 00:36:57.599 I think I think it looks beautiful and I think they use it very 823 00:36:57.599 --> 00:36:58.199 well. 824 00:36:58.320 --> 00:37:03.179 It does remind you of just those incredible sequences in the 825 00:37:03.179 --> 00:37:05.699 Mutara nebula in Star Trek too. 826 00:37:05.760 --> 00:37:09.239 Like, they're amazing. better music than they're even better music 827 00:37:09.239 --> 00:37:09.780 than this. 828 00:37:11.400 --> 00:37:13.199 So good. 829 00:37:13.320 --> 00:37:17.039 Sorry, I'm so sorry, this has become the Ron Jones appreciation 830 00:37:17.039 --> 00:37:18.239 sorry, isn't it? 831 00:37:18.480 --> 00:37:21.360 I mean, it looks great, doesn't it? 832 00:37:21.599 --> 00:37:25.079 And we don't say that very often. 833 00:37:25.139 --> 00:37:26.099 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 834 00:37:26.159 --> 00:37:29.219 The ball ship's like a spider in the web. 835 00:37:29.280 --> 00:37:30.780 It just looks so menacing. 836 00:37:30.840 --> 00:37:34.920 Well, when it arrived and it just eclipses the enterprise and 837 00:37:34.920 --> 00:37:36.000 parks in front of it. 838 00:37:36.059 --> 00:37:37.739 It looks tremendous. 839 00:37:38.039 --> 00:37:40.860 And that's great how the enterprise, all the lights are sort of 840 00:37:40.860 --> 00:37:42.119 lighting up the nebula as well. 841 00:37:42.179 --> 00:37:46.440 Yeah, so they literally put practical smoke around the around the 842 00:37:46.440 --> 00:37:50.519 model to shoot the model in order to make it look integrated into 843 00:37:50.519 --> 00:37:51.059 that background. 844 00:37:51.119 --> 00:37:53.760 So they are trying. they? 845 00:37:53.820 --> 00:37:54.360 Yeah, yeah. 846 00:37:54.420 --> 00:37:56.340 Like this is more expensive. 847 00:37:56.400 --> 00:37:58.860 I know, for fuck's sake, it's 1990. 848 00:37:58.980 --> 00:38:00.719 They're learning as they go. 849 00:38:00.780 --> 00:38:02.940 I kind of appreciate that. 850 00:38:03.000 --> 00:38:06.000 But like, it's not until, say, Way of the Warrior. 851 00:38:06.059 --> 00:38:10.679 That's when they do the 1st big action piece where it's models and 852 00:38:10.679 --> 00:38:13.980 CGI coming together in a very dynamic way. 853 00:38:14.039 --> 00:38:14.639 Yeah. 854 00:38:14.639 --> 00:38:15.239 Yeah. 855 00:38:15.300 --> 00:38:19.559 But I mean, they are compositing in the in the computer and so 856 00:38:19.559 --> 00:38:24.480 they are able to realise the Battle of Will 359 just 2.5 years 857 00:38:24.480 --> 00:38:26.699 later, aren't they, an emissary? 858 00:38:26.760 --> 00:38:30.420 Oh, that is extraordinary, that beginning secret. 859 00:38:30.480 --> 00:38:32.460 It's short. not a long. 860 00:38:32.519 --> 00:38:33.599 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 861 00:38:33.659 --> 00:38:34.980 But it's enough to establish it. 862 00:38:34.980 --> 00:38:37.260 And to make us feel like we've seen it. 863 00:38:37.320 --> 00:38:37.980 Yeah. 864 00:38:38.039 --> 00:38:39.239 Do you not remember? 865 00:38:39.420 --> 00:38:42.960 The tractor beam locks onto one of those ships and tears off the 866 00:38:42.960 --> 00:38:43.440 front of it. 867 00:38:44.039 --> 00:38:45.719 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 868 00:38:45.780 --> 00:38:46.920 But the camera as well. 869 00:38:46.980 --> 00:38:50.340 It's sort of zooming around the model in ways that they just can't 870 00:38:50.340 --> 00:38:50.940 do here. 871 00:38:51.000 --> 00:38:54.780 I mean, they still have, you know, emotional controlled cameras 872 00:38:54.780 --> 00:38:57.420 motion control cameras, and they can still do digital compositing 873 00:38:57.420 --> 00:38:57.840 and stuff. 874 00:38:57.900 --> 00:39:02.940 So the, you know, it's not just the shots of the ship. 875 00:39:03.000 --> 00:39:03.420 Yeah. 876 00:39:03.480 --> 00:39:06.360 This bit in a minute where they go into the turbo lift. 877 00:39:06.420 --> 00:39:07.739 If we've gone past it yet, was it in a second? 878 00:39:07.800 --> 00:39:08.280 No, no. 879 00:39:08.280 --> 00:39:09.719 No, it's in a... 880 00:39:09.780 --> 00:39:10.320 Is it the second? 881 00:39:10.380 --> 00:39:10.860 Yeah, it must be. 882 00:39:10.920 --> 00:39:12.059 When she says you're in my way. 883 00:39:12.119 --> 00:39:13.079 We don't pass up yet. 884 00:39:13.139 --> 00:39:14.039 Oh, I don't know. 885 00:39:14.099 --> 00:39:18.360 I don't know The fact that he goes, you know, she goes, kind of 886 00:39:18.360 --> 00:39:19.920 off the record and all the bullshit. 887 00:39:19.980 --> 00:39:21.659 All the pretence drops. 888 00:39:22.500 --> 00:39:26.760 He discovers her in Picard's quarter in Picard's ready room. 889 00:39:26.820 --> 00:39:28.739 So it's after this scene. 890 00:39:28.800 --> 00:39:30.780 Yeah, yeah, yeah. wonderful. 891 00:39:30.840 --> 00:39:32.400 There's no pretence anymore. 892 00:39:32.460 --> 00:39:34.860 The pair of them, the claws are out. 893 00:39:34.920 --> 00:39:37.019 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 894 00:39:37.079 --> 00:39:39.000 I, and she's great. 895 00:39:39.059 --> 00:39:41.039 Like, all of that stuff is so good. 896 00:39:42.239 --> 00:39:45.900 I like as well, though, that he says, you know, it's not the time 897 00:39:45.900 --> 00:39:48.960 her plan, we're not going to put it into action, and she's nodding 898 00:39:48.960 --> 00:39:49.619 her head, going fine. 899 00:39:49.679 --> 00:39:50.519 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 900 00:39:50.519 --> 00:39:52.380 I just wanted to bring this to your attention. 901 00:39:52.440 --> 00:39:54.119 She's not just ambitious. 902 00:39:54.179 --> 00:39:56.639 She does genuinely want her defeat the ball. 903 00:39:56.699 --> 00:40:01.079 Well, and in fact, none of this bullshit persists into the next 904 00:40:01.079 --> 00:40:01.679 episode. 905 00:40:01.739 --> 00:40:04.199 They just start working together. 906 00:40:04.260 --> 00:40:05.820 And I think that's really good. 907 00:40:05.880 --> 00:40:10.860 I think, like, she's shown to be wrong about Riker, and Reich has 908 00:40:10.860 --> 00:40:14.280 shown to be wrong about himself at the end of the episode, where 909 00:40:14.280 --> 00:40:18.480 she's begging him not to do the risky thing, but instead to try 910 00:40:18.480 --> 00:40:19.320 something else. 911 00:40:20.519 --> 00:40:22.199 You are right. 912 00:40:22.260 --> 00:40:25.260 There could have been ways where him, because, you know, he walked 913 00:40:25.260 --> 00:40:28.139 in that turbo left and went halt and, you know, and he could come 914 00:40:28.139 --> 00:40:30.900 across as being quite aggressive towards her. 915 00:40:30.960 --> 00:40:34.380 You know, like when he said, walk with me earlier on when they 916 00:40:34.380 --> 00:40:35.219 went down to the planet. 917 00:40:35.280 --> 00:40:38.940 But there's, I mean, she's tiny, but the way she prickles at him, I 918 00:40:38.940 --> 00:40:42.480 have no doubt she's in control of everything that they're in 919 00:40:42.480 --> 00:40:45.059 together, despite, he's the fact he's in charge. 920 00:40:45.119 --> 00:40:48.539 But then you're in my way and he says, really, how terrible for 921 00:40:48.539 --> 00:40:52.260 you because I'm not going anywhere and you're not going to be able 922 00:40:52.260 --> 00:40:53.820 to dislodge me. 923 00:40:53.880 --> 00:40:55.019 I mean, he's not aggressive. 924 00:40:55.079 --> 00:40:57.659 He's hostile to her. 925 00:40:57.719 --> 00:41:04.139 Um, and that final line explaining why it is he plays it safe, you 926 00:41:04.139 --> 00:41:08.039 know, so cussing now, you sit in the shadow of a great man. 927 00:41:08.099 --> 00:41:09.360 Yeah, yeah. 928 00:41:09.420 --> 00:41:13.139 But the trouble is, that's what he is asking himself. 929 00:41:13.199 --> 00:41:15.179 He thinks that that might be true. 930 00:41:15.239 --> 00:41:19.679 He's already suggested that that might be his problem and that's 931 00:41:19.679 --> 00:41:24.300 why she gets at him because she's, you know, she's right or she's 932 00:41:24.300 --> 00:41:26.159 reflecting his own doubts anyway. 933 00:41:26.460 --> 00:41:28.800 You know what's the difference here? 934 00:41:28.860 --> 00:41:32.039 Is the character work that we get in TNG? 935 00:41:32.159 --> 00:41:34.739 It doesn't feel like it's coming with big consequences. 936 00:41:34.800 --> 00:41:37.920 No, normally the character work, it feels like it's going to be 937 00:41:37.920 --> 00:41:40.260 wrapped up by the end of this episode and it's fine. 938 00:41:40.320 --> 00:41:43.380 And even though that is ultimately where we land in the best of 939 00:41:43.380 --> 00:41:47.099 both worlds, It does feel like something, a big shift is coming. 940 00:41:47.159 --> 00:41:48.960 Yeah, yeah. huge isn't it? 941 00:41:49.019 --> 00:41:52.619 It's a good magic trick to pull off, actually, that when there's 942 00:41:52.619 --> 00:41:53.219 no shift at all. 943 00:41:53.280 --> 00:41:53.880 No. 944 00:41:53.940 --> 00:41:57.059 And as well, it gets the title too, doesn't it? 945 00:41:57.119 --> 00:42:00.059 Like the best of both worlds, which doesn't quite make sense, but 946 00:42:00.059 --> 00:42:01.679 it is about the competition between... 947 00:42:01.679 --> 00:42:03.360 That was locutious, wasn't it? 948 00:42:03.420 --> 00:42:05.699 Oh, no, I mean, I think human and Borg. 949 00:42:05.820 --> 00:42:09.300 No, but the best of both worlds, there's 2 worlds and we're trying 950 00:42:09.300 --> 00:42:12.719 to see which one the best, you know, like in the whole competition 951 00:42:12.719 --> 00:42:16.559 implied by that. is, you know, in both plots. 952 00:42:16.619 --> 00:42:17.820 Oh, here we go. 953 00:42:17.880 --> 00:42:18.900 Here's your guidance scene. 954 00:42:18.960 --> 00:42:20.219 Yeah, see, I don't really get it. 955 00:42:20.280 --> 00:42:23.159 Captain touring the ship before the battle. 956 00:42:23.219 --> 00:42:26.400 I think the problem is the dialogue. 957 00:42:26.460 --> 00:42:30.360 I mean, it's obviously not the 2 actors or even the idea, or let's 958 00:42:30.360 --> 00:42:32.940 face it, the lighting is pretty good in this scene too. 959 00:42:33.000 --> 00:42:34.079 Whoopee. 960 00:42:34.139 --> 00:42:36.179 A couple of scenes that she gets. 961 00:42:36.239 --> 00:42:40.619 I mean, in two, I swear, I think she just comes in and just flaws 962 00:42:40.619 --> 00:42:41.579 all the other eyes. 963 00:42:41.579 --> 00:42:43.440 She's great. 964 00:42:43.440 --> 00:42:44.159 Unbelievable. 965 00:42:44.219 --> 00:42:45.000 She's so chill. 966 00:42:45.059 --> 00:42:45.659 Yeah. 967 00:42:45.719 --> 00:42:46.440 You know? 968 00:42:46.500 --> 00:42:46.920 Yeah. 969 00:42:46.980 --> 00:42:48.239 Yeah. 970 00:42:48.300 --> 00:42:49.800 We are coming up too now. 971 00:42:49.860 --> 00:42:52.079 I'm going to mention it now because they sort of could skip by 972 00:42:52.079 --> 00:42:52.679 very quickly. 973 00:42:52.739 --> 00:42:55.260 We are coming up to my sort of biggest issue with the direction 974 00:42:55.260 --> 00:42:55.679 now. 975 00:42:55.739 --> 00:42:56.400 Oh, okay. 976 00:42:56.400 --> 00:42:59.639 So in a minute we get the attack on the bridge where the Borg 977 00:42:59.639 --> 00:43:01.920 appear and it's just so static. 978 00:43:02.039 --> 00:43:05.699 Like, wait until you see these shots of the Borg just standing 979 00:43:05.699 --> 00:43:08.460 there on the bridge and no one kind of reacting to anything. 980 00:43:08.519 --> 00:43:12.719 And then, of course, we go across to the Borg ship to get Picard 981 00:43:12.719 --> 00:43:16.320 back once they've kidnapped him and have cameraman. 982 00:43:16.380 --> 00:43:19.860 It's just stuck at fixed angles while people walk around the set 983 00:43:19.860 --> 00:43:23.280 and I'm like, come on, you can do a tracking show, you've got a 984 00:43:23.280 --> 00:43:24.179 dolly or something. 985 00:43:24.840 --> 00:43:30.239 Yeah, it's a bit of a problem because there could be dynamism that 986 00:43:30.239 --> 00:43:32.159 isn't Ron Jones's incredible music. 987 00:43:32.280 --> 00:43:36.599 And then, I mean, but this scene too, like what she's explaining 988 00:43:36.599 --> 00:43:40.920 might happen is, well, perhaps what happened to my people, where 989 00:43:40.920 --> 00:43:45.659 we're scattered throughout the universe happens to you, but you'll 990 00:43:45.659 --> 00:43:49.139 still prevail and you kind of think, well, yeah, but like everyone 991 00:43:49.139 --> 00:43:51.960 will be killed and it will be like really bad and we don't want 992 00:43:51.960 --> 00:43:52.260 that. 993 00:43:52.320 --> 00:43:58.139 But no one seems very urgently worried about anything, and it does 994 00:43:58.139 --> 00:44:02.519 seem to be being discussed on this very theoretical level, and her 995 00:44:02.519 --> 00:44:05.940 attempts at reassurance don't really land, and so I don't quite 996 00:44:05.940 --> 00:44:06.840 know what she's doing. 997 00:44:06.900 --> 00:44:10.500 So I don't think the scene really works on the level of what the 998 00:44:10.500 --> 00:44:13.619 characters are feeling and what they're thinking about, what 999 00:44:13.619 --> 00:44:14.940 they're trying to do or anything. 1000 00:44:15.000 --> 00:44:18.179 I just don't get it. put a more knowing line in there and say, I 1001 00:44:18.179 --> 00:44:21.780 don't want to pick out an existence as a nomad running a bar. very 1002 00:44:21.780 --> 00:44:21.960 much. 1003 00:44:22.019 --> 00:44:22.559 You. 1004 00:44:22.559 --> 00:44:27.119 I'm quite happy being the captain of the best ship in the fleet. 1005 00:44:27.360 --> 00:44:29.159 Good grief. 1006 00:44:29.219 --> 00:44:33.000 Now, I think the idea of the bork suddenly appearing on the 1007 00:44:33.000 --> 00:44:33.360 bridge. 1008 00:44:33.420 --> 00:44:34.380 It's a great idea. 1009 00:44:34.440 --> 00:44:36.179 But it should be a shock moment. 1010 00:44:36.539 --> 00:44:39.539 It's just so pony the way it's like... 1011 00:44:39.539 --> 00:44:40.800 Yeah, terribly slow, isn't it? 1012 00:44:40.920 --> 00:44:43.320 They sort of pop in and go, oh, hello, you know. 1013 00:44:43.380 --> 00:44:44.219 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1014 00:44:44.280 --> 00:44:46.800 I actually had to rewind it because I thought I'd missed 1015 00:44:46.800 --> 00:44:47.340 something. 1016 00:44:47.400 --> 00:44:50.219 Oh, just wait. 1017 00:44:50.280 --> 00:44:50.760 I don't know. 1018 00:44:50.820 --> 00:44:53.699 Let's see if they do the usual, you know, they're leaving a big 1019 00:44:53.699 --> 00:44:56.099 dead space on the screen so they can beam it. 1020 00:44:56.159 --> 00:44:57.659 Yes, lets do that. awesome. 1021 00:44:57.719 --> 00:44:59.880 I didn't notice Sajil when I was watching earlier. 1022 00:44:59.940 --> 00:45:01.500 See that scene there? 1023 00:45:01.500 --> 00:45:03.239 That's the last shot of our nebula. 1024 00:45:03.360 --> 00:45:04.260 It does turn up again. 1025 00:45:04.320 --> 00:45:05.639 Remember, we've seen it in DS9. 1026 00:45:05.880 --> 00:45:06.420 Do you remember? 1027 00:45:06.480 --> 00:45:09.840 Garak and Wharf in there, runabout when the Dominion fleet comes 1028 00:45:09.840 --> 00:45:10.019 through. 1029 00:45:10.079 --> 00:45:11.940 Okay, they're not in the Badlands then? 1030 00:45:12.000 --> 00:45:14.280 No, no, there he is. 1031 00:45:14.340 --> 00:45:14.519 Look. 1032 00:45:14.579 --> 00:45:16.920 Yeah, so he sort of just stands there. 1033 00:45:16.980 --> 00:45:19.800 Then we react a bit ankles tilted a bit. 1034 00:45:19.860 --> 00:45:21.000 He holds up his hand. 1035 00:45:21.059 --> 00:45:23.400 Okay, it just sort of falls over. 1036 00:45:23.579 --> 00:45:25.619 Yeah, that falls over. 1037 00:45:25.679 --> 00:45:28.679 There's a lot of the ball falling over and they're wearing pyjamas 1038 00:45:28.679 --> 00:45:32.280 like they're wearing black pyjamas or sort of like, I love that 1039 00:45:32.280 --> 00:45:32.699 effect. 1040 00:45:32.760 --> 00:45:35.219 I know, but I would do it close. 1041 00:45:35.280 --> 00:45:36.420 I mean, look at it, he's just at it. 1042 00:45:36.420 --> 00:45:37.320 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 1043 00:45:37.380 --> 00:45:38.940 No one's... anything. 1044 00:45:39.000 --> 00:45:41.699 Then we get him to beat up Riker and then obviously we have to get 1045 00:45:41.699 --> 00:45:44.099 him to beat up Wharf because that's how we... 1046 00:45:44.159 --> 00:45:46.019 Why doesn't everybody rush them at the same time? 1047 00:45:46.079 --> 00:45:47.159 They all take their turn. 1048 00:45:47.219 --> 00:45:47.940 Yeah, yeah. 1049 00:45:48.000 --> 00:45:48.719 They all just stand around. 1050 00:45:48.780 --> 00:45:50.159 It's really, really stayed. 1051 00:45:50.219 --> 00:45:54.420 Like that's our action for the episode and it's really nothing. 1052 00:45:54.480 --> 00:45:57.000 Well, that guy turns to dust on the floor. 1053 00:45:57.059 --> 00:45:59.699 Plod, plod, plod, cliff bowl. 1054 00:45:59.820 --> 00:46:00.900 Yeah, yeah. 1055 00:46:01.019 --> 00:46:02.099 Yeah, yeah. 1056 00:46:02.159 --> 00:46:04.980 It is it's a very bad bit of action, isn't it? 1057 00:46:05.340 --> 00:46:07.019 And you're right. 1058 00:46:07.079 --> 00:46:08.880 But like, and sorry, cool. 1059 00:46:08.940 --> 00:46:09.599 No, no, no. 1060 00:46:09.659 --> 00:46:12.840 I was just saying you're right, that doesn't land this lands. 1061 00:46:12.900 --> 00:46:15.659 I think Reiker's response now that he's gone. 1062 00:46:15.719 --> 00:46:16.619 Do you know what I mean? 1063 00:46:16.679 --> 00:46:18.119 He gets up, he's been beaten up. 1064 00:46:18.179 --> 00:46:21.719 He's a little bit dazed, and now he's in the captain's position 1065 00:46:21.719 --> 00:46:22.440 suddenly. 1066 00:46:22.500 --> 00:46:26.219 And we're waiting for that to properly land. 1067 00:46:26.280 --> 00:46:28.019 He doesn't sit down or anything like that. 1068 00:46:28.079 --> 00:46:29.039 Do you know what I mean? 1069 00:46:29.099 --> 00:46:33.179 Like, um, we don't see him adopt the chair or anything like that. 1070 00:46:33.239 --> 00:46:34.860 And he's. 1071 00:46:34.920 --> 00:46:37.920 What's great about Picard being kidnapped as well is we kind of 1072 00:46:37.920 --> 00:46:39.000 used to that sort of stuff? 1073 00:46:39.059 --> 00:46:42.059 People, we had Beverly Crusher kidnapped in the high ground, you 1074 00:46:42.059 --> 00:46:42.239 know. 1075 00:46:42.300 --> 00:46:45.300 So we figure there's going to be some form of a negotiation with 1076 00:46:45.300 --> 00:46:46.739 the Borg or something. 1077 00:46:47.159 --> 00:46:51.059 Not in my wildest dreams when I watched this in 1990. 1078 00:46:51.179 --> 00:46:54.300 Did I think that all of a sudden I was going to see Picard as a 1079 00:46:54.300 --> 00:46:54.599 ball? 1080 00:46:54.659 --> 00:46:57.480 Yeah, and we know that they assimilate people, but we have never 1081 00:46:57.480 --> 00:46:58.619 seen it before. 1082 00:46:58.679 --> 00:47:01.199 And so I think that's kind of the thing. 1083 00:47:02.039 --> 00:47:07.139 Yeah, I mean, look, the camera is not moving on this bullshit. 1084 00:47:07.199 --> 00:47:09.059 It's just fixed. 1085 00:47:09.119 --> 00:47:14.400 So the new thing that they added to the sets from Qhu is that 1086 00:47:14.400 --> 00:47:19.139 there's lighting from below through the grills on the floor. 1087 00:47:19.679 --> 00:47:21.480 Which is effect, yeah. 1088 00:47:21.539 --> 00:47:25.679 And see, there's green screen in the background of that of some of 1089 00:47:25.679 --> 00:47:28.440 those shots, like at the top of the things. 1090 00:47:28.500 --> 00:47:32.159 Obviously, that green becomes the Borg colour, but it's not the 1091 00:47:32.159 --> 00:47:33.719 Borg colour yet, is it? 1092 00:47:33.780 --> 00:47:36.059 You know, nothing's green. 1093 00:47:36.119 --> 00:47:41.280 And, and, you know, the costumes look so much cheaper and the 1094 00:47:41.280 --> 00:47:44.699 makeup is much less gruesome. 1095 00:47:44.760 --> 00:47:47.880 They're much less kind of zombie like. 1096 00:47:47.940 --> 00:47:50.159 So it is still really early days. 1097 00:47:50.219 --> 00:47:53.579 I think it, I still think it's sort of atmosphe atmospheric and 1098 00:47:53.579 --> 00:47:53.940 does work. 1099 00:47:54.000 --> 00:47:58.019 It's far more atmospheric than what we normally get on TNG. 1100 00:47:58.079 --> 00:48:00.119 Yeah, which is overlet sets. 1101 00:48:00.179 --> 00:48:01.260 Yes, that's true. 1102 00:48:01.320 --> 00:48:05.039 Yeah, there was a wonderful bit of special effects work there 1103 00:48:05.039 --> 00:48:09.539 where you had the matte painting and they've added in a little CGI 1104 00:48:09.539 --> 00:48:12.239 Borg moving into his cube. 1105 00:48:12.300 --> 00:48:14.639 Yeah, it was really subtle but really great. 1106 00:48:15.179 --> 00:48:18.599 So now we've got huge stakes, right? 1107 00:48:18.659 --> 00:48:19.619 They've got the captain. 1108 00:48:19.679 --> 00:48:23.460 So this is somebody we really care about, which is great. 1109 00:48:23.519 --> 00:48:27.420 And then by the end of the episode, we're going to sector 001. 1110 00:48:27.599 --> 00:48:29.099 The states have never been higher. 1111 00:48:29.159 --> 00:48:29.880 We're going to Earth. 1112 00:48:29.940 --> 00:48:36.539 So let's all stand around really slowly and just talk to him. while 1113 00:48:36.539 --> 00:48:40.440 the camera just, and the cameraman has a bit of a rest, and, you 1114 00:48:40.440 --> 00:48:46.019 know, like, it, it's, the most egregious example is in a minute 1115 00:48:46.019 --> 00:48:48.420 when they're on the Borg ship to rescue Pecan. 1116 00:48:48.480 --> 00:48:50.639 That's supposed to be a dynamic action sequence. 1117 00:48:50.699 --> 00:48:53.519 Honestly, 30 seconds or so, that camera don't move for. 1118 00:48:53.579 --> 00:48:55.199 I was counting the seconds. 1119 00:48:55.260 --> 00:48:57.599 Oh, look at Beverly in the back of the scene here. 1120 00:48:57.659 --> 00:49:01.199 Now, the only reason she goes onto the Borg ship is because she 1121 00:49:01.199 --> 00:49:02.940 wants to have a phaser. 1122 00:49:03.000 --> 00:49:04.739 I've never fired a phaser. 1123 00:49:05.280 --> 00:49:06.000 That's awesome. 1124 00:49:06.059 --> 00:49:07.980 And he goes, well, all right, off you go. 1125 00:49:08.039 --> 00:49:11.219 You don't often have doctors firing faces, but let's do it. 1126 00:49:11.340 --> 00:49:15.420 I really hate Deanna's line delivery there too. 1127 00:49:15.480 --> 00:49:18.900 Like when she comes and lectures him and kind of undermines his 1128 00:49:18.900 --> 00:49:21.059 decision in front of Shelby. 1129 00:49:21.119 --> 00:49:25.980 Like, I think that that's a, you know, because why does that have 1130 00:49:25.980 --> 00:49:29.579 no repercussion, then the 2 of them just look at each other, but 1131 00:49:29.579 --> 00:49:31.079 how do they feel about each other? 1132 00:49:31.079 --> 00:49:32.219 Like, we don't know. 1133 00:49:32.280 --> 00:49:34.440 Then he finally sits in the chair. 1134 00:49:34.500 --> 00:49:35.340 Yeah. 1135 00:49:35.400 --> 00:49:39.480 Um, he should have cut to Jellicoe's line, I said, Troy. you know 1136 00:49:39.480 --> 00:49:41.340 I prefer my uniform. 1137 00:49:41.400 --> 00:49:46.019 But like, why doesn't he say something about, like, why doesn't 1138 00:49:46.019 --> 00:49:47.880 she say, you are the captain? 1139 00:49:47.940 --> 00:49:50.940 I guess she is doing that, but it's not pointed enough. 1140 00:49:51.000 --> 00:49:53.219 It's not enough about not protocol. 1141 00:49:53.280 --> 00:49:55.380 It's like you're the captain now. 1142 00:49:55.440 --> 00:49:57.539 Like, this is what you have to do. 1143 00:49:57.599 --> 00:49:59.400 And then he goes and sits in the chair. 1144 00:49:59.460 --> 00:50:02.579 But the line doesn't point to that, I think, directly. 1145 00:50:02.639 --> 00:50:05.639 I don't think nowadays we'd be doing all this preparation to go 1146 00:50:05.639 --> 00:50:06.179 and get him. 1147 00:50:06.239 --> 00:50:08.940 We'd just be there straight into the action. 1148 00:50:09.000 --> 00:50:10.199 Yeah, yeah. 1149 00:50:10.260 --> 00:50:13.199 I mean, we're getting some lines of dialogue explaining why they 1150 00:50:13.199 --> 00:50:17.099 don't expect to be, you know, fighting the Borg off when they get 1151 00:50:17.099 --> 00:50:18.000 on board. 1152 00:50:18.059 --> 00:50:21.119 And that was always, I mean, the reason the Borg don't react to 1153 00:50:21.119 --> 00:50:24.420 them in Q Who is because we've got some important exposition to 1154 00:50:24.420 --> 00:50:27.780 impart and we need them to wander around the ship unmolested. 1155 00:50:27.840 --> 00:50:30.480 And so it's like they don't see us as a threat. 1156 00:50:30.539 --> 00:50:34.619 But now they have to explain that so that they can walk around for 1157 00:50:34.619 --> 00:50:35.099 a while. 1158 00:50:35.519 --> 00:50:40.800 The, when they walk around the ship in Qhu, it is way more 1159 00:50:40.800 --> 00:50:42.420 atmospheric than here, though. 1160 00:50:42.480 --> 00:50:43.619 And why is that? 1161 00:50:43.619 --> 00:50:45.360 baby screams in the distance. 1162 00:50:45.420 --> 00:50:46.440 It's a bad rector. 1163 00:50:46.500 --> 00:50:48.420 It's Rob Bowman doing... 1164 00:50:48.480 --> 00:50:48.780 Okay. 1165 00:50:48.840 --> 00:50:52.139 You know, he directed the X-Files movie, for God's sake. 1166 00:50:52.199 --> 00:50:53.940 He's a he's a serious director. 1167 00:50:54.000 --> 00:50:55.739 You're right, though. 1168 00:50:55.800 --> 00:50:57.480 The underlying is very effective. 1169 00:50:57.539 --> 00:50:58.980 Yeah, yeah, it is. 1170 00:50:59.039 --> 00:51:01.260 Well, because it just sort of throws shadows on everybody's 1171 00:51:01.260 --> 00:51:01.619 faces. 1172 00:51:01.679 --> 00:51:02.699 It's a bit like horror movie. 1173 00:51:02.760 --> 00:51:06.599 And it's a little bit less like a normal Star Trek set, which this 1174 00:51:06.599 --> 00:51:10.440 looks a lot like, like it's got a lot of things from stock and 1175 00:51:10.440 --> 00:51:11.820 things that we've seen before. 1176 00:51:12.960 --> 00:51:17.280 And then there's this baffling thing coming up, isn't there? 1177 00:51:17.340 --> 00:51:21.360 Is this the thing where there's that node on the ceiling? 1178 00:51:21.420 --> 00:51:22.199 Is that coming? 1179 00:51:22.260 --> 00:51:23.099 Amazing. 1180 00:51:23.099 --> 00:51:23.880 Amazing. 1181 00:51:23.940 --> 00:51:25.679 Triangle on the ceiling. 1182 00:51:25.739 --> 00:51:26.340 That's right. 1183 00:51:26.400 --> 00:51:30.119 It's so something to shovel power through. 1184 00:51:30.179 --> 00:51:30.900 My God. 1185 00:51:31.800 --> 00:51:36.659 Yeah, look, this is extraordinary, says Gates. 1186 00:51:36.719 --> 00:51:37.739 Look at this. 1187 00:51:37.800 --> 00:51:38.940 It's amazing. 1188 00:51:39.059 --> 00:51:42.420 It looks like a power wave guide conduit. 1189 00:51:42.480 --> 00:51:43.500 And there it is. 1190 00:51:43.559 --> 00:51:45.000 It's like... 1191 00:51:45.000 --> 00:51:46.920 Yeah, triangle. 1192 00:51:46.920 --> 00:51:47.880 I think maybe the... 1193 00:51:47.880 --> 00:51:50.760 Pella was thinking, you know, it's got to be this hugely 1194 00:51:50.760 --> 00:51:52.980 impressive bit of technology. 1195 00:51:54.239 --> 00:51:57.780 Sorry, we've only got the triangle that we use every week, but 1196 00:51:57.780 --> 00:51:58.860 we'll put it on the ceiling. 1197 00:51:58.920 --> 00:52:02.400 We'll put a green bulb in it later for another shot. 1198 00:52:02.820 --> 00:52:06.840 This shot now, look, the camera just does not move. 1199 00:52:06.900 --> 00:52:10.980 They come in over there all the way around the set. 1200 00:52:11.039 --> 00:52:14.880 I mean, it's unbelievable. isn't it? 1201 00:52:14.940 --> 00:52:16.920 It's not moving at all. 1202 00:52:16.980 --> 00:52:21.360 And it slowly glides upwards so we can see the triangle again. 1203 00:52:21.420 --> 00:52:23.219 Yeah, that's right. green now. 1204 00:52:23.280 --> 00:52:24.599 Jesus Christ. 1205 00:52:24.659 --> 00:52:27.179 I mean, that is stayed, right? 1206 00:52:27.239 --> 00:52:28.920 It's amazing. 1207 00:52:28.980 --> 00:52:32.340 This is before Jonathan was whirling the camera around like a 1208 00:52:32.340 --> 00:52:32.940 madman. 1209 00:52:33.000 --> 00:52:33.360 See? 1210 00:52:33.360 --> 00:52:36.179 And he was right to do that, you know? 1211 00:52:36.239 --> 00:52:40.260 I've started to see your argument. take the sickness tablets, you 1212 00:52:40.260 --> 00:52:40.800 know, over this. 1213 00:52:43.440 --> 00:52:47.460 Oh, we're moving to intercept at Wolf 359. 1214 00:52:47.639 --> 00:52:48.539 Yeah, yeah. 1215 00:52:48.599 --> 00:52:50.639 So Wolf 359's real. 1216 00:52:50.699 --> 00:52:55.800 It's a planet not far from Earth, but it's an actual real, not a 1217 00:52:55.800 --> 00:52:57.119 planet, a star. 1218 00:52:57.179 --> 00:52:59.820 Um, not far from earth. 1219 00:53:00.780 --> 00:53:05.639 I mean, it's one of the most talked about areas of space going 1220 00:53:05.639 --> 00:53:06.480 forward, isn't it? 1221 00:53:06.539 --> 00:53:07.320 Yeah, yeah. 1222 00:53:07.380 --> 00:53:09.539 And I think that's super interesting too, like making it somewhere 1223 00:53:09.539 --> 00:53:13.860 real rather than sort of, you know, made up space Star Trek planet 1224 00:53:13.860 --> 00:53:14.579 or whatever. 1225 00:53:14.579 --> 00:53:15.960 Wolf as well. 1226 00:53:16.019 --> 00:53:17.039 That's great name. 1227 00:53:17.099 --> 00:53:18.480 Yeah, it's really good. 1228 00:53:18.599 --> 00:53:23.280 Actually, we always call it Wolf 359, but Brent will call it Wolf 1229 00:53:23.280 --> 00:53:27.300 359 a little bit later, which doesn't happen. 1230 00:53:27.420 --> 00:53:29.519 Yeah, see, look, this time we open the drawer up and it's just a 1231 00:53:29.519 --> 00:53:30.420 uniform in there. 1232 00:53:30.480 --> 00:53:34.320 Last time it was a baby. covered in electrodes. 1233 00:53:34.380 --> 00:53:40.679 For this where it's kind of like Shelby to Enterprise, you know, we 1234 00:53:40.679 --> 00:53:44.159 found the captain's uniform where every he is on this cube, he's 1235 00:53:44.159 --> 00:53:44.579 naked. 1236 00:53:47.519 --> 00:53:51.780 We fair they may be seducing Jean-Luc. 1237 00:53:51.840 --> 00:53:54.900 We don't want to imagine how they're doing that. 1238 00:53:54.960 --> 00:53:58.199 He's somewhere on this cube, but he's got his knob. should never 1239 00:53:58.199 --> 00:53:59.280 have shown the uniform. 1240 00:53:59.340 --> 00:54:01.860 Because that Robert does hint at what's coming. 1241 00:54:01.920 --> 00:54:03.900 Yeah, no, no, wasn't it? 1242 00:54:03.960 --> 00:54:04.860 I don't know. 1243 00:54:04.920 --> 00:54:07.679 Like, but it is kind of why would he surrender his uniform. 1244 00:54:07.739 --> 00:54:08.519 Do you know what I mean? 1245 00:54:08.579 --> 00:54:11.639 Like, why are they taking him out of his uniform? 1246 00:54:11.699 --> 00:54:12.840 Because they want to have sex with him. 1247 00:54:12.900 --> 00:54:15.000 It's like, I don't know, like what's happening? 1248 00:54:15.059 --> 00:54:19.019 Now, this, look, when they shoot the nodes, again, this plotting 1249 00:54:19.019 --> 00:54:19.559 direction. 1250 00:54:19.860 --> 00:54:22.860 Okay, so we've got to shoot at it for a little while. 1251 00:54:22.980 --> 00:54:26.639 Oh, pour up gates doesn't look like Gates doesn't look her best 1252 00:54:26.639 --> 00:54:28.380 underlit like that, does she? 1253 00:54:30.300 --> 00:54:32.219 Not very flattering. 1254 00:54:32.280 --> 00:54:33.780 I'm delight me, all right. 1255 00:54:33.840 --> 00:54:34.860 I wouldn't be this free. 1256 00:54:36.179 --> 00:54:40.980 See, the other thing too is that the Borg look horrible because 1257 00:54:40.980 --> 00:54:44.579 like their eyes are gone and like one of them has something over 1258 00:54:44.579 --> 00:54:47.579 his mouth and stuff like that, but they're not going to do that to 1259 00:54:47.579 --> 00:54:48.420 Patrick Stewart. 1260 00:54:48.480 --> 00:54:49.199 Do you know what I mean? 1261 00:54:49.260 --> 00:54:53.039 And like I did see some images on memory alpha where like they had 1262 00:54:53.039 --> 00:54:56.219 detached his arm and replaced it with a thing or whatever, but 1263 00:54:56.219 --> 00:54:59.219 instead they just put a big thing over his arm and he's completely 1264 00:54:59.219 --> 00:55:00.960 intact underneath it. 1265 00:55:01.019 --> 00:55:02.639 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1266 00:55:02.699 --> 00:55:05.159 And she's much more beautiful than Patrick. 1267 00:55:05.280 --> 00:55:05.699 That's right. 1268 00:55:05.760 --> 00:55:06.119 That's right. 1269 00:55:06.179 --> 00:55:07.440 But they don't want to go too far. 1270 00:55:07.500 --> 00:55:08.699 Yeah. 1271 00:55:08.699 --> 00:55:09.960 It'll be fleshed, okay? 1272 00:55:10.019 --> 00:55:10.440 And everything. 1273 00:55:10.500 --> 00:55:11.760 Well, Borg didn't have that in. 1274 00:55:11.760 --> 00:55:14.460 Now, look at them all plodding around. 1275 00:55:14.460 --> 00:55:16.019 This is them attacking, apparently. 1276 00:55:18.059 --> 00:55:20.159 The camera's fixed. 1277 00:55:20.219 --> 00:55:23.820 They're all in sort of, they're all facing different directions 1278 00:55:23.820 --> 00:55:26.039 and then everyone falls over. 1279 00:55:26.099 --> 00:55:31.559 Like, I just think everyone fires one phaser at a time, no one... 1280 00:55:31.559 --> 00:55:34.380 Everybody fire at once on the same wall, you know? 1281 00:55:34.440 --> 00:55:35.760 For God's sake. 1282 00:55:35.820 --> 00:55:38.699 No, remember that they can only use their faces once or maybe 1283 00:55:38.699 --> 00:55:39.119 twice. 1284 00:55:39.179 --> 00:55:41.099 Oh, you've just missed it. 1285 00:55:41.159 --> 00:55:43.139 That's the bit where the Borg falls against the wall when it 1286 00:55:43.139 --> 00:55:44.460 wobbles. wobbles brilliant. 1287 00:55:44.519 --> 00:55:45.840 Yeah, just like Doctor Who. 1288 00:55:45.900 --> 00:55:47.699 Cliff didn't notice. 1289 00:55:47.820 --> 00:55:50.460 It's very like Doctor Who is, isn't it? 1290 00:55:50.519 --> 00:55:53.519 Stage action and lots of talk. 1291 00:55:53.579 --> 00:55:54.300 Here we go. 1292 00:55:54.360 --> 00:56:02.099 I really like those uh, kind of those weird quadrilateral um, uh 1293 00:56:02.099 --> 00:56:04.320 you know, force fields that appear in front of them. 1294 00:56:04.380 --> 00:56:10.260 Here's Picard. where you, that very undramatic shot where the Borg 1295 00:56:10.260 --> 00:56:12.900 are all in the way, and you can see Picard, what are you doing 1296 00:56:12.900 --> 00:56:13.800 Cliffball? 1297 00:56:13.860 --> 00:56:16.679 Make the reveal of Picard, the bit where he turns round. 1298 00:56:16.739 --> 00:56:18.059 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1299 00:56:18.119 --> 00:56:19.679 Yeah, it's very strange, isn't it? 1300 00:56:19.739 --> 00:56:20.820 And he's wearing it. 1301 00:56:20.880 --> 00:56:23.519 And then the camera's fixed because it's just standing there 1302 00:56:23.519 --> 00:56:25.139 everyone's sort of running up to it. 1303 00:56:25.260 --> 00:56:26.639 It's just so terrible. 1304 00:56:26.699 --> 00:56:27.599 It's action. 1305 00:56:29.579 --> 00:56:34.320 He looks like he's wearing a turtleneck as well, like a black 1306 00:56:34.320 --> 00:56:35.940 turtleneck, you know. 1307 00:56:37.199 --> 00:56:38.519 Okay. 1308 00:56:38.579 --> 00:56:40.739 Now, I mean, I mean, look at Gay Sal. 1309 00:56:40.800 --> 00:56:42.719 Look, she's trying, oh, is she upset? 1310 00:56:42.780 --> 00:56:44.880 I'm not sure what she's thinking. 1311 00:56:44.940 --> 00:56:47.340 Yeah, no, she's got nothing. 1312 00:56:47.460 --> 00:56:50.760 She's also sort of thinking, you know, I've got to do the schedule 1313 00:56:50.760 --> 00:56:53.159 for sick bay next week as well, you know. 1314 00:56:53.159 --> 00:56:56.699 But Wharf, Michael Dawn's got the note. 1315 00:56:56.760 --> 00:57:00.960 He goes, he is a boy, as if he's going to start crying. wonderful 1316 00:57:00.960 --> 00:57:01.320 isn't it? 1317 00:57:01.380 --> 00:57:02.639 Well done, Michael. 1318 00:57:02.699 --> 00:57:06.420 But again, just the way this stuff is directed, how flatly 1319 00:57:06.420 --> 00:57:07.559 everything is lit. 1320 00:57:07.619 --> 00:57:09.719 It's so strange, isn't it? 1321 00:57:09.780 --> 00:57:12.420 It's, I mean, the one thing he gets right though. 1322 00:57:12.480 --> 00:57:16.019 The one thing he gets right is that zoom in on Riker for the 1323 00:57:16.019 --> 00:57:16.860 cliffhanger. 1324 00:57:16.920 --> 00:57:22.380 And of course, Ron's going da da da da. 1325 00:57:22.380 --> 00:57:25.199 No, in the music, again, heavy lifting. 1326 00:57:25.260 --> 00:57:26.219 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1327 00:57:26.280 --> 00:57:28.619 But look, here's the scene where we reverse, right? 1328 00:57:28.679 --> 00:57:31.139 Here's the same way we reverse. consult with Starfleet Command. 1329 00:57:31.199 --> 00:57:34.980 Get Admiral Hanson, do a thing, do anything except the big, risky 1330 00:57:34.980 --> 00:57:38.039 the big, risky captain thing that needs to be done. 1331 00:57:38.099 --> 00:57:39.960 It's really well done. 1332 00:57:40.019 --> 00:57:43.739 And like, for all the complaining about the, the, the production 1333 00:57:43.739 --> 00:57:47.159 and the direction and stuff like that and just how staid this is 1334 00:57:47.159 --> 00:57:50.280 and how kind of lacking intention, the performances are. 1335 00:57:50.340 --> 00:57:52.139 It still worked. 1336 00:57:52.139 --> 00:57:54.960 And it worked in context, I think. 1337 00:57:54.960 --> 00:58:00.239 And ultimately, they sell the importance and they sell the threat 1338 00:58:00.239 --> 00:58:00.659 of it. 1339 00:58:00.719 --> 00:58:01.440 Yeah. 1340 00:58:01.440 --> 00:58:07.019 Oh, and now I just, I just remember, not being able to figure out 1341 00:58:07.019 --> 00:58:12.000 a way out of the show going forward without either the Borg 1342 00:58:12.000 --> 00:58:15.420 destroying Earth or us losing Captain Picard. 1343 00:58:15.480 --> 00:58:18.539 It's a proper, proper cliffhanger, isn't it? 1344 00:58:18.599 --> 00:58:21.480 Where not even Michael Piller knows how we're going to get out of 1345 00:58:21.480 --> 00:58:21.960 this one. 1346 00:58:22.079 --> 00:58:24.179 No one in the world... 1347 00:58:24.300 --> 00:58:26.699 Come on, Rocco, here's the money shop. 1348 00:58:26.760 --> 00:58:32.159 But it's also, it's Shelby looking at him, and then the camera 1349 00:58:32.159 --> 00:58:35.820 moves her out of shot, and then he says fire. 1350 00:58:35.880 --> 00:58:40.019 Then we drop to black for music to be continued, which we'd never 1351 00:58:40.019 --> 00:58:43.800 ever seen on Star Trek, the Next Generation and had never seen at 1352 00:58:43.800 --> 00:58:45.659 the end of a series of Star Trek. 1353 00:58:45.719 --> 00:58:50.099 And, you know, there was the big, it was 1980, the big who shot JR 1354 00:58:50.099 --> 00:58:51.239 thing. 1355 00:58:51.300 --> 00:58:54.780 Like the 1st time, I think, that an end of season cliffhanger 1356 00:58:54.780 --> 00:58:58.619 becomes a massive international news event. 1357 00:58:58.679 --> 00:59:00.119 And I remember it. 1358 00:59:00.179 --> 00:59:03.780 You know, like I'm in primary school and I'm aware that the who 1359 00:59:03.780 --> 00:59:08.039 shot JR is a thing, you know, and... 1360 00:59:08.099 --> 00:59:11.699 And then Star Trek does it. 1361 00:59:11.760 --> 00:59:14.579 And it really, really properly lands. 1362 00:59:14.699 --> 00:59:16.079 It's so incredibly good. 1363 00:59:16.139 --> 00:59:19.800 I mean, Pillar says, there's a quote from Pillar of Memory Alpha 1364 00:59:19.800 --> 00:59:19.980 that. 1365 00:59:20.039 --> 00:59:21.719 He wasn't, they weren't sure. 1366 00:59:21.780 --> 00:59:23.039 They were getting a 4th year. 1367 00:59:23.099 --> 00:59:24.960 It wasn't a dead sir at this point. 1368 00:59:25.019 --> 00:59:27.719 The numbers hadn't gone up that much. at this point. 1369 00:59:27.780 --> 00:59:30.119 I think it's after the best of both worlds. 1370 00:59:30.179 --> 00:59:32.940 Suddenly everyone's tuning in for series 4 and onwards. 1371 00:59:33.059 --> 00:59:37.980 So it was sort of a risky move to end on such a big cliffhanger 1372 00:59:37.980 --> 00:59:39.480 but the risk paid off. 1373 00:59:39.539 --> 00:59:42.659 I mean, it's the cliffhanger that everyone was talking less the 1374 00:59:42.659 --> 00:59:44.099 episode, more that moment. 1375 00:59:44.159 --> 00:59:45.360 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1376 00:59:45.420 --> 00:59:49.139 Picard on the screen, you know, and Riker screaming fire at the 1377 00:59:49.139 --> 00:59:49.320 end. 1378 00:59:49.380 --> 00:59:50.820 Oh, just amazing. 1379 00:59:50.880 --> 00:59:51.780 It's really good. 1380 00:59:51.900 --> 00:59:52.920 It's really properly. 1381 00:59:53.039 --> 00:59:57.420 Like, and I can't underestimate how exciting this was for me when 1382 00:59:57.420 --> 00:59:59.099 I was 9 years old. 1383 00:59:59.159 --> 01:00:00.119 Yeah, you know? 1384 01:00:00.179 --> 01:00:03.840 Like, now I'm 45 and I've consumed a lot of TV and we've moved on 1385 01:00:03.840 --> 01:00:07.679 a lot since this and action is amazing and so much about 1386 01:00:07.679 --> 01:00:08.880 television is better. 1387 01:00:08.940 --> 01:00:14.159 But I will never watch a piece of television now. that was as 1388 01:00:14.159 --> 01:00:16.199 exciting as this was then. 1389 01:00:16.260 --> 01:00:16.860 Yeah. 1390 01:00:16.860 --> 01:00:17.519 All right. 1391 01:00:17.579 --> 01:00:20.699 When you're a kid and a bit of TV grips you. 1392 01:00:20.760 --> 01:00:25.199 It's the best feeling in the world and boy, this just bewitched me 1393 01:00:25.199 --> 01:00:25.860 when I was nine. 1394 01:00:25.920 --> 01:00:29.699 So I was a bit older than that when I 1st watched it. 1395 01:00:29.760 --> 01:00:34.139 But I have to say that just watching this and I haven't seen it in 1396 01:00:34.139 --> 01:00:39.179 ages, absolutely took me back to what it was like. 1397 01:00:39.239 --> 01:00:43.079 My 1st experiences of watching this show and how much I loved it 1398 01:00:43.079 --> 01:00:48.539 and why and just how huge and epic and incredible this seemed. 1399 01:00:48.599 --> 01:00:51.900 And like it really, really worked. 1400 01:00:51.960 --> 01:00:53.639 It really worked on me again. 1401 01:00:53.699 --> 01:00:57.119 And all of the floors, which we will continue to talk about 1402 01:00:57.119 --> 01:00:59.400 perhaps even more in part too. 1403 01:00:59.460 --> 01:01:01.500 All of the floors are there. 1404 01:01:01.559 --> 01:01:04.260 All of them were more apparent to me now than they ever have been 1405 01:01:04.260 --> 01:01:07.739 on any previous watching, but in a way, I'm prepared to give it a 1406 01:01:07.739 --> 01:01:11.880 pass because of how it made me feel when I 1st watched it and how 1407 01:01:11.880 --> 01:01:14.219 it made me feel again for that very reason. 1408 01:01:14.340 --> 01:01:17.699 Usually wear better than that sort of thing, but this time, no 1409 01:01:17.699 --> 01:01:18.000 no. 1410 01:01:18.059 --> 01:01:23.099 I mean, I'll say there's 22 massive pinpoints in Star Trek, yeah. 1411 01:01:23.159 --> 01:01:25.619 Where, and the 2nd one was emissary. 1412 01:01:25.679 --> 01:01:29.519 I just will never forget watching Emissary for the 1st time and it 1413 01:01:29.519 --> 01:01:35.340 revolutionising the idea of how you can tell a Star Trek story via 1414 01:01:35.340 --> 01:01:39.719 just such vivid characters with real emotions, you know, and all 1415 01:01:39.719 --> 01:01:40.500 the spirits. 1416 01:01:40.559 --> 01:01:43.260 I just remember that as a bit of telly, just knocking my socks 1417 01:01:43.260 --> 01:01:43.679 off. 1418 01:01:43.739 --> 01:01:49.079 But the 1st one is this. you know, and this was the 1st time a 1419 01:01:49.079 --> 01:01:52.079 cliffhanger had got me in my entire life, you know? 1420 01:01:52.139 --> 01:01:55.079 So I think I've been searching for my best of both worlds ever 1421 01:01:55.079 --> 01:01:55.440 since. 1422 01:01:55.980 --> 01:01:58.019 All right, what do you reckon? 1423 01:01:58.079 --> 01:02:00.059 I think we should go back in. 1424 01:02:00.179 --> 01:02:02.880 It was the quickest summer I've ever experienced. 1425 01:02:02.940 --> 01:02:04.500 Yeah, it was pretty quick. 1426 01:02:04.559 --> 01:02:05.400 All right. 1427 01:02:05.460 --> 01:02:09.239 Now, that's what I wished it had been live back when I was 9 years 1428 01:02:09.239 --> 01:02:09.539 old. 1429 01:02:09.599 --> 01:02:10.800 Well, that's what we can do now. 1430 01:02:10.860 --> 01:02:12.539 That's the great beauty of it. 1431 01:02:12.599 --> 01:02:14.639 We don't have to worry about a cliffhanger at all. 1432 01:02:14.699 --> 01:02:16.380 We can just go straight in. 1433 01:02:16.440 --> 01:02:20.639 I think the anticipation, though, is, you know, like a show I've 1434 01:02:20.639 --> 01:02:21.659 watched recently, Severance. 1435 01:02:21.719 --> 01:02:25.199 Yeah, that ended on great cliffhanger. 1436 01:02:25.199 --> 01:02:25.980 Amazing cliffhanger. 1437 01:02:26.039 --> 01:02:26.579 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1438 01:02:26.579 --> 01:02:28.380 That made me wait. 1439 01:02:28.440 --> 01:02:28.800 That's right. 1440 01:02:28.860 --> 01:02:30.300 A couple of years, I think. 1441 01:02:30.360 --> 01:02:33.300 Well, what about hegemony where we had to wait 18 months or 1442 01:02:33.300 --> 01:02:33.539 something? 1443 01:02:33.599 --> 01:02:35.039 It's a long wait. 1444 01:02:35.159 --> 01:02:41.519 So we will see in a minute where Dr. Bev has nipped off to Sick 1445 01:02:41.519 --> 01:02:43.500 Bay to put on a different wig. 1446 01:02:43.559 --> 01:02:48.599 So keep an eye out for that and I will count us in. 1447 01:02:48.780 --> 01:02:51.119 I didn't know that was a thing. 1448 01:02:51.179 --> 01:02:51.599 Yeah. 1449 01:02:51.659 --> 01:02:52.619 Yeah, you watch. 1450 01:02:52.679 --> 01:02:54.000 Okay, guys. 1451 01:02:54.059 --> 01:02:55.559 Is she pregnant at this point? 1452 01:02:55.619 --> 01:02:57.420 Is she behind console? 1453 01:02:57.539 --> 01:02:58.980 No, I think so. 1454 01:02:59.039 --> 01:03:00.000 All right. 1455 01:03:00.059 --> 01:03:03.480 I can only assume, though, that the resolution to this cliffhanger 1456 01:03:03.480 --> 01:03:06.840 is going to be every bit as spectacular as the cliffhanger 1457 01:03:06.840 --> 01:03:07.199 itself. 1458 01:03:07.260 --> 01:03:07.980 Okay, let's go. 1459 01:03:08.039 --> 01:03:08.460 Maybe. 1460 01:03:08.519 --> 01:03:10.260 All right, here goes. 1461 01:03:10.320 --> 01:03:16.440 Five, four, three, two, one, and we're off. 1462 01:03:16.920 --> 01:03:20.039 Okay, previously on... 1463 01:03:20.039 --> 01:03:22.019 Mr. Worf. 1464 01:03:22.079 --> 01:03:23.519 Dispatch a subspace message. 1465 01:03:23.519 --> 01:03:24.960 Astral Pass. 1466 01:03:25.019 --> 01:03:27.059 We have engaged the book. 1467 01:03:28.619 --> 01:03:31.559 I mean, you don't need to watch the 1st episode. 1468 01:03:31.619 --> 01:03:32.639 Look, it's all the best bits. 1469 01:03:32.699 --> 01:03:33.539 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1470 01:03:33.599 --> 01:03:34.320 Well, that's right. 1471 01:03:34.380 --> 01:03:35.639 Well, that's the purpose of it, isn't it? 1472 01:03:35.760 --> 01:03:37.559 We've had 3 months to forget what was going on. 1473 01:03:37.619 --> 01:03:41.280 Please, do not show the ball beaming onto the bridge as well. 1474 01:03:41.340 --> 01:03:43.320 It makes a bit so bad. will do that. 1475 01:03:43.380 --> 01:03:46.440 Yeah, well it's sort of important to the story, isn't it? 1476 01:03:46.500 --> 01:03:47.340 a little bit. 1477 01:03:47.400 --> 01:03:47.820 Yeah. 1478 01:03:47.880 --> 01:03:48.300 Yeah. 1479 01:03:48.659 --> 01:03:50.460 Oh, here we go. 1480 01:03:50.519 --> 01:03:51.300 I mean, the league. 1481 01:03:51.300 --> 01:03:52.920 I for Shelby in the turbo lift. 1482 01:03:53.159 --> 01:03:56.820 It's just you make room for somebody who can make the big calls 1483 01:03:56.820 --> 01:03:58.380 Commander Riker. there it is. 1484 01:03:58.440 --> 01:04:01.679 Oh, I didn't realise that Wolf jumped over the tactical console 1485 01:04:01.679 --> 01:04:02.400 there. 1486 01:04:02.460 --> 01:04:03.420 Yeah, that was pretty good. 1487 01:04:03.480 --> 01:04:04.139 Yeah, yeah. 1488 01:04:04.199 --> 01:04:04.920 That a bit of action. 1489 01:04:04.980 --> 01:04:05.519 There you go. 1490 01:04:05.579 --> 01:04:06.719 What were we complaining about? 1491 01:04:06.780 --> 01:04:10.019 Like Picard's being kidnapped and all he does is just get out of 1492 01:04:10.019 --> 01:04:11.219 his chair and stand there. 1493 01:04:11.639 --> 01:04:14.159 Yeah, I know, it's amazing, isn't it? 1494 01:04:14.219 --> 01:04:15.599 There's just no reaction at all. 1495 01:04:16.440 --> 01:04:18.480 Oh, here we go now. 1496 01:04:18.539 --> 01:04:21.000 The stayed camera work around the Borg ship. 1497 01:04:21.059 --> 01:04:21.659 Yep, yep. 1498 01:04:21.719 --> 01:04:26.159 I hope we get to see that amazing triangle again, do we? 1499 01:04:26.219 --> 01:04:27.780 Oh, magnificent. 1500 01:04:27.840 --> 01:04:28.679 What does she say? 1501 01:04:28.739 --> 01:04:30.420 Extraordinary, incredible. 1502 01:04:30.840 --> 01:04:33.239 I think you might see it explode. 1503 01:04:33.300 --> 01:04:34.199 Oh no. 1504 01:04:34.320 --> 01:04:37.380 No, we just slowly shooting Borg one by one. 1505 01:04:37.440 --> 01:04:38.460 Yeah. 1506 01:04:38.519 --> 01:04:39.599 Do you know what? 1507 01:04:39.659 --> 01:04:42.780 We didn't mention it, but they do it twice in the 1st episode of 1508 01:04:42.780 --> 01:04:45.960 him turning around and the beam of light going straight at the 1509 01:04:45.960 --> 01:04:46.320 camera. 1510 01:04:46.380 --> 01:04:47.280 It's so great. 1511 01:04:47.340 --> 01:04:50.340 There's a really, really great moment as well. 1512 01:04:50.400 --> 01:04:55.079 Like, there's a really particularly good moment in the reprise 1513 01:04:55.079 --> 01:04:59.159 like, in the cold open before we go to the before we go to the 1514 01:04:59.159 --> 01:04:59.400 thing. 1515 01:04:59.460 --> 01:05:03.420 Oh, it's no, it's the we will service us and then the, then the 1516 01:05:03.420 --> 01:05:05.519 thing goes straight into the camera. 1517 01:05:05.579 --> 01:05:08.099 You will service us and it looks incredible. 1518 01:05:08.159 --> 01:05:09.000 It just looks great. 1519 01:05:09.059 --> 01:05:10.320 Mr. Wharf. 1520 01:05:10.380 --> 01:05:11.340 Fire. 1521 01:05:11.400 --> 01:05:12.659 I bet he does it with that. 1522 01:05:12.719 --> 01:05:13.559 Now the conclusion. 1523 01:05:13.619 --> 01:05:16.380 And he does it without breaking a sweat, doesn't he? 1524 01:05:16.440 --> 01:05:17.039 It's wonderful. 1525 01:05:17.099 --> 01:05:21.539 It's really good Oh, so we caught fire. 1526 01:05:21.599 --> 01:05:23.880 Well, no, no, we're about to fire. 1527 01:05:23.940 --> 01:05:26.519 We've got 6 seconds to fire, so we're all just going to stand 1528 01:05:26.519 --> 01:05:28.320 around gulping, I think. 1529 01:05:28.440 --> 01:05:30.719 Oh, poor old world. 1530 01:05:30.780 --> 01:05:33.360 I mean, I think I probably would have opened on the shot of your 1531 01:05:33.360 --> 01:05:33.840 firing. 1532 01:05:33.900 --> 01:05:34.980 Yes, I think so too. 1533 01:05:35.039 --> 01:05:39.059 Will has got really bad acne during the... 1534 01:05:39.179 --> 01:05:41.400 That was that was my biggest disappointment where I went. 1535 01:05:41.519 --> 01:05:45.719 The Borg ship is undamaged, so I was like, oh, all that stress. 1536 01:05:45.780 --> 01:05:46.739 We had 3 months. 1537 01:05:46.800 --> 01:05:48.420 And it didn't work. 1538 01:05:48.480 --> 01:05:50.460 Fire off, yeah, it didn't work. 1539 01:05:50.579 --> 01:05:53.099 I haven't slept for 90 days. 1540 01:05:54.539 --> 01:05:56.400 What do we do now? 1541 01:05:56.880 --> 01:05:58.800 Oh, boy. 1542 01:05:58.860 --> 01:06:01.079 If about you, let's be honest, we're Doctor Who fans. 1543 01:06:01.139 --> 01:06:04.739 We very used to Cliffhanger resolutions being a bit lame. 1544 01:06:04.800 --> 01:06:08.159 The famous one where the cliff where the episode ends with kill 1545 01:06:08.159 --> 01:06:11.940 him and then the next episode starts with someone coming in, no 1546 01:06:11.940 --> 01:06:12.599 wait. 1547 01:06:12.719 --> 01:06:15.000 Like, it's basically that. 1548 01:06:15.059 --> 01:06:16.440 Oh, did you see? 1549 01:06:16.440 --> 01:06:17.880 That's one of the better cliffhangers, you know. 1550 01:06:17.940 --> 01:06:19.139 No, oh, no, wait. 1551 01:06:19.199 --> 01:06:21.360 Oh, She can have... 1552 01:06:21.420 --> 01:06:22.679 She's got spectacular new hair. 1553 01:06:22.739 --> 01:06:25.800 I mean, admittedly, even though the cliffhanger resolution is 1554 01:06:25.800 --> 01:06:26.280 terrible. 1555 01:06:26.340 --> 01:06:30.059 Cutting straight to Picard saying, well, we're heading to Worth 1556 01:06:30.059 --> 01:06:30.300 now. 1557 01:06:30.360 --> 01:06:31.980 I've got all of Picard's knowledge. 1558 01:06:32.039 --> 01:06:33.780 Like, that's exciting. 1559 01:06:33.840 --> 01:06:37.619 And calling him number one as well is a bit of a gut punch too. 1560 01:06:37.679 --> 01:06:40.980 Like, he's a Borg, but he has a nickname for Riker because he 1561 01:06:40.980 --> 01:06:41.519 knows him. 1562 01:06:41.579 --> 01:06:43.139 He's like, I'm not lying. 1563 01:06:43.260 --> 01:06:45.480 I genuinely do have all of this knowledge. 1564 01:06:45.539 --> 01:06:46.500 Yeah, it's pretty good. 1565 01:06:46.559 --> 01:06:48.659 It's a great into the titles. 1566 01:06:49.320 --> 01:06:51.840 Yeah, it was a savvy move. 1567 01:06:51.900 --> 01:06:55.320 And, you know, just give him Patrick Stewart a chance to play for 1568 01:06:55.320 --> 01:06:55.739 a bit. 1569 01:06:55.800 --> 01:06:58.920 Yeah, yeah, to do something fun to play something different. pretty 1570 01:06:58.920 --> 01:06:59.099 good. 1571 01:06:59.159 --> 01:07:00.599 Do you think it's unpacked? 1572 01:07:00.599 --> 01:07:02.639 It's suitcase at this point. 1573 01:07:02.699 --> 01:07:03.000 Yeah. 1574 01:07:03.000 --> 01:07:03.840 Yeah. 1575 01:07:03.900 --> 01:07:04.860 Isn't he... 1576 01:07:04.920 --> 01:07:06.659 I think up the long ladder that we did last time. 1577 01:07:06.719 --> 01:07:09.780 Maybe it was still in the cupboard, you know, waiting to go. 1578 01:07:09.840 --> 01:07:13.019 Well, isn't he with Jennifer Hetrick at this point? 1579 01:07:14.099 --> 01:07:18.119 Don't forget, though, his contract was up at the end of three. 1580 01:07:18.179 --> 01:07:18.960 Oh okay. 1581 01:07:19.019 --> 01:07:23.400 So that's another reason for this cliffhanger is that if he didn't 1582 01:07:23.400 --> 01:07:24.780 want to come back, well, there's your out. 1583 01:07:24.840 --> 01:07:26.940 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1584 01:07:27.000 --> 01:07:29.940 He came back with his 2 conditions, didn't he? 1585 01:07:30.000 --> 01:07:31.739 One, our direct episodes. 1586 01:07:31.800 --> 01:07:33.539 He's terrible director. 1587 01:07:33.599 --> 01:07:34.260 Two. 1588 01:07:34.320 --> 01:07:36.119 I have more sex. 1589 01:07:36.179 --> 01:07:37.440 That was his two. 1590 01:07:37.440 --> 01:07:38.460 Oh, so his way... 1591 01:07:38.519 --> 01:07:41.219 Is Kevin's Holiday Inn series 4 then? 1592 01:07:41.280 --> 01:07:43.079 No, that is that series three. 1593 01:07:43.139 --> 01:07:45.480 That's, yeah, yeah. towards the end of three. 1594 01:07:45.539 --> 01:07:48.599 Yeah, but he has more romances from this point. 1595 01:07:48.659 --> 01:07:52.019 No, he has Wendy Hughes, Australian Wendy Hughes. wonderful. 1596 01:07:52.139 --> 01:07:53.159 I love that. 1597 01:07:53.460 --> 01:07:53.880 Yeah, me too. 1598 01:07:53.940 --> 01:07:55.739 Can't wait till we land on that one. 1599 01:07:55.800 --> 01:07:57.239 Yeah, it's probably good. 1600 01:07:57.300 --> 01:07:57.659 Okay. 1601 01:07:57.780 --> 01:08:02.159 I mean, we don't do the threat to earth very often. do we? 1602 01:08:02.219 --> 01:08:05.460 No, in fact, we don't get to go back to Earth, and that's what's 1603 01:08:05.460 --> 01:08:09.239 fun about the next episode as well, is that it's set on Earth. 1604 01:08:09.300 --> 01:08:11.340 And I always think too. 1605 01:08:11.400 --> 01:08:12.119 It's still there. 1606 01:08:12.179 --> 01:08:13.139 That never happens. 1607 01:08:13.260 --> 01:08:14.760 Yeah, it's wonderful, isn't it? 1608 01:08:14.880 --> 01:08:16.560 The earth thing. 1609 01:08:16.619 --> 01:08:20.880 Like, because just the standing sets are cheap. 1610 01:08:20.939 --> 01:08:25.199 So setting it, well, they're not cheap, but they're there 1611 01:08:25.199 --> 01:08:25.800 already. 1612 01:08:25.859 --> 01:08:29.039 And so they can just set things on the ship and that's super 1613 01:08:29.039 --> 01:08:29.340 easy. 1614 01:08:29.399 --> 01:08:32.880 But if they have to realise earth in the 24th century, that takes 1615 01:08:32.880 --> 01:08:33.359 effort. 1616 01:08:33.420 --> 01:08:36.539 And that's what's so great about going back to Earth is seeing 1617 01:08:36.539 --> 01:08:38.399 what Earth looks like in the 24th century. 1618 01:08:38.520 --> 01:08:39.720 You know, I love that. 1619 01:08:39.779 --> 01:08:43.319 That's one of the things that I liked about that 2 parter in Deep 1620 01:08:43.319 --> 01:08:44.340 Space 9 as well. 1621 01:08:44.399 --> 01:08:46.560 Like, here we are on earth, here is what it looks like. 1622 01:08:46.619 --> 01:08:48.180 The 1st duty later. 1623 01:08:48.239 --> 01:08:50.039 Go into the restaurant and all of that. 1624 01:08:50.100 --> 01:08:51.119 Yeah, yeah, yeah, wonderful. 1625 01:08:51.180 --> 01:08:54.539 Although, I do love as well that in family, obviously, he goes 1626 01:08:54.539 --> 01:08:58.079 down to his brother's place, his brother who's cruelly murdered in 1627 01:08:58.079 --> 01:08:59.220 generations. 1628 01:08:59.279 --> 01:09:03.180 We've already covered that It's hideous, isn't it? 1629 01:09:03.300 --> 01:09:09.239 But, you know, it's the visuals of all of the vineyard. 1630 01:09:09.659 --> 01:09:11.399 And then they pick up on that in Picard. 1631 01:09:11.460 --> 01:09:11.699 Yeah. 1632 01:09:11.699 --> 01:09:12.479 So it's, yeah. 1633 01:09:13.199 --> 01:09:14.760 Well, they pick up on it in the finale of this. 1634 01:09:14.880 --> 01:09:18.420 Yeah, I'm sort of suggesting Rick Berman, you know, he didn't 1635 01:09:18.420 --> 01:09:22.079 watch Besto Bothwells part one too closely because he's reassigned 1636 01:09:22.079 --> 01:09:23.279 Cliff Bold part two. 1637 01:09:23.340 --> 01:09:23.699 Yeah. 1638 01:09:23.699 --> 01:09:27.539 They're Beverly's Beverly's new hair. 1639 01:09:27.600 --> 01:09:28.560 Beverly's new hair. 1640 01:09:28.619 --> 01:09:30.119 Oh, I keep missing it. 1641 01:09:30.180 --> 01:09:31.319 You keep missing it. 1642 01:09:31.380 --> 01:09:35.880 I mean, that's why I thought it was so hilarious that Celia 1643 01:09:35.880 --> 01:09:39.899 Gooding had new hair for part 2 of her. 1644 01:09:40.020 --> 01:09:40.920 No, come on. 1645 01:09:40.979 --> 01:09:43.680 It's not a knowing wink, is it? 1646 01:09:44.399 --> 01:09:46.619 to best of both worlds. 1647 01:09:46.680 --> 01:09:49.800 Don't you realise, you know, they can just shove their head in 1648 01:09:49.800 --> 01:09:50.159 a... 1649 01:09:50.220 --> 01:09:51.359 Oh, yes, look at it. 1650 01:09:51.420 --> 01:09:53.819 It's much longer, actually, than it wasn't. 1651 01:09:53.819 --> 01:09:55.619 And a different, she's died it as well. 1652 01:09:55.680 --> 01:09:57.359 Like it's a lighter colour. 1653 01:09:57.420 --> 01:09:58.920 I mean, it's a week. 1654 01:09:58.979 --> 01:10:02.520 They didn't have to give her the new wig for this episode, but 1655 01:10:02.520 --> 01:10:04.619 they just thought, oh, fuck it. let's just. 1656 01:10:04.680 --> 01:10:09.000 I think a lot of the time it's a wig, but that's definitely a wig 1657 01:10:09.000 --> 01:10:09.300 but yeah. 1658 01:10:09.720 --> 01:10:11.640 You know her sort of reddish hair in series one. 1659 01:10:11.699 --> 01:10:12.899 That's her real hair, isn't it? 1660 01:10:12.960 --> 01:10:13.380 I think so. 1661 01:10:13.439 --> 01:10:13.920 I don't know. 1662 01:10:13.920 --> 01:10:15.420 It's dark red head, right? 1663 01:10:15.479 --> 01:10:17.039 Like she's not... 1664 01:10:17.100 --> 01:10:20.460 Let's just figure she can shovel right in a ball when you get a 1665 01:10:20.460 --> 01:10:20.939 new haircut. 1666 01:10:21.000 --> 01:10:22.439 Technology. 1667 01:10:22.500 --> 01:10:26.460 She nipped out to the loo and dyed her hair like during the, it's 1668 01:10:26.460 --> 01:10:27.420 pretty casual. 1669 01:10:27.479 --> 01:10:30.659 He's always a problem, though, when we end on a cliffhanger. 1670 01:10:30.720 --> 01:10:34.680 We've got a pickup and the continuity has to be exactly the same. 1671 01:10:34.739 --> 01:10:35.819 Yeah, yeah. 1672 01:10:37.079 --> 01:10:39.180 Okay, so what's happening? 1673 01:10:39.239 --> 01:10:40.979 They'll walk heading towards Earth. 1674 01:10:41.039 --> 01:10:41.279 Yes. 1675 01:10:41.340 --> 01:10:42.840 Yeah, that's what we want to see. 1676 01:10:42.899 --> 01:10:46.560 Now, this shot I did like, this high angle shot going down on 1677 01:10:46.560 --> 01:10:47.159 Picard. 1678 01:10:47.220 --> 01:10:48.659 Yep, it's a great table. 1679 01:10:48.779 --> 01:10:49.560 I think it's great. 1680 01:10:50.220 --> 01:10:52.920 But of course, it's not action, is it? 1681 01:10:52.979 --> 01:10:55.199 It's a contemplative moment. 1682 01:10:55.260 --> 01:10:59.340 Yeah, yeah, it's just emphasising, like, because the change is now 1683 01:10:59.340 --> 01:11:02.640 going even further than it was before. 1684 01:11:02.699 --> 01:11:06.539 They are just putting more of his outfit on, though. 1685 01:11:06.600 --> 01:11:09.000 Like they're not chopping any bits off him or anything or doing 1686 01:11:09.000 --> 01:11:13.260 anything, although that, with the, uh, with the thing going into 1687 01:11:13.260 --> 01:11:13.800 his head. 1688 01:11:13.800 --> 01:11:16.920 The same problem, you know, that you have with Doctor Who and the 1689 01:11:16.920 --> 01:11:22.199 cybermen in that the horror of it is that you lose your humanity 1690 01:11:22.199 --> 01:11:26.159 and you become a machine, but there's no focus on that at all here 1691 01:11:26.159 --> 01:11:26.640 is there? 1692 01:11:26.699 --> 01:11:30.420 That's family when he talks about being dehumanised. 1693 01:11:30.479 --> 01:11:35.520 Well, that tear that goes down his cheek as that's happening to 1694 01:11:35.520 --> 01:11:38.699 him, I think, is really good, and that hints at how this is going 1695 01:11:38.699 --> 01:11:40.020 to be resolved, isn't it? 1696 01:11:40.079 --> 01:11:43.739 that his humanity is still there and will reassume. 1697 01:11:43.800 --> 01:11:47.460 But really the trauma is he's been turned into a ball, but that's 1698 01:11:47.460 --> 01:11:49.739 not really the drama here, is it? 1699 01:11:49.800 --> 01:11:54.180 It's the Borg heading towards Earth. loads of spaceships are going 1700 01:11:54.180 --> 01:11:54.960 to blow up along the way. 1701 01:11:55.079 --> 01:11:58.199 And then the B plot, which is every bit as important, which is the 1702 01:11:58.199 --> 01:12:01.380 workplace stuff between, you know, Riker and Shelby and stuff. 1703 01:12:04.500 --> 01:12:06.779 Accelerator coils responding normally. 1704 01:12:06.840 --> 01:12:07.380 There you go. 1705 01:12:07.439 --> 01:12:09.659 Boy, we're back into normal TNG. 1706 01:12:09.659 --> 01:12:10.500 Techno bubble mode. 1707 01:12:10.560 --> 01:12:12.060 Ash Shield, sensors down. 1708 01:12:12.119 --> 01:12:14.880 But it's her doing her job incredibly well. 1709 01:12:14.939 --> 01:12:19.800 Like she's doing the work and she's superintending it and, you 1710 01:12:19.800 --> 01:12:23.039 know, reporting to the captain about how the work is going. 1711 01:12:23.100 --> 01:12:26.699 You know, like it's her absolutely ensconced in her position. 1712 01:12:26.819 --> 01:12:31.500 And we, you know, again, part of the thing is that now they're 1713 01:12:31.500 --> 01:12:32.159 disabled. 1714 01:12:32.220 --> 01:12:34.619 They can't chase the Borg. 1715 01:12:34.619 --> 01:12:40.079 And so we have time and that time is time for the tension to 1716 01:12:40.079 --> 01:12:43.140 dissipate a bit in time for the audience to forget that the Borg 1717 01:12:43.140 --> 01:12:46.439 are on their way to Earth, and that time's also a bit cheaper, you 1718 01:12:46.439 --> 01:12:48.960 know, like they don't have to do any effect shots or anything. 1719 01:12:49.020 --> 01:12:53.039 The real joy of the climax of this and we will get there. 1720 01:12:53.100 --> 01:12:55.920 It's not because sending the ball to sleep. 1721 01:12:55.979 --> 01:12:57.000 I know it makes sense. 1722 01:12:57.060 --> 01:12:58.619 It is kind of quiet. 1723 01:12:58.680 --> 01:13:04.140 It's Riker saying, Ensign Crusher, collide this shit with the 1724 01:13:04.140 --> 01:13:04.439 ball. 1725 01:13:04.500 --> 01:13:07.800 And Wesley gives him a look like, are you serious? 1726 01:13:07.859 --> 01:13:08.880 I'm a child, you know. 1727 01:13:09.539 --> 01:13:12.359 No, but there's a moment of resignation. 1728 01:13:12.420 --> 01:13:13.800 He's not angry at it. 1729 01:13:13.920 --> 01:13:17.340 It just like, oh, you know, okay, so this is how it ends for me. 1730 01:13:17.399 --> 01:13:18.420 Like, there is a... 1731 01:13:18.720 --> 01:13:20.100 He even says ENG. 1732 01:13:20.340 --> 01:13:25.500 He starts to say engage and then he gets the news. 1733 01:13:26.220 --> 01:13:28.260 Oh, this is wonderful. 1734 01:13:28.319 --> 01:13:31.439 There's no reason for me to expect to become your 1st officer 1735 01:13:31.439 --> 01:13:32.579 except the fact that you need this. 1736 01:13:32.640 --> 01:13:35.399 Yes, except I want to be your 1st officer. 1737 01:13:35.640 --> 01:13:39.539 I do love it when he officially, you know, makes it official and 1738 01:13:39.539 --> 01:13:42.479 war for day, give each other a look, like, really? 1739 01:13:44.399 --> 01:13:47.340 I thought you had no emotions, Mr. Data. 1740 01:13:47.399 --> 01:13:48.840 Why are you looking so annoyed? 1741 01:13:48.960 --> 01:13:54.659 But I mean, look how, like, there is nothing about losing the 1742 01:13:54.659 --> 01:13:56.100 captain. 1743 01:13:56.220 --> 01:13:56.880 Do you know what I mean? 1744 01:13:56.939 --> 01:13:58.079 Like we even referred. 1745 01:13:58.140 --> 01:14:00.840 This is the captain, what the captain said to me about you. 1746 01:14:00.899 --> 01:14:05.399 The captain thought that, you know, you were like a younger me. 1747 01:14:05.460 --> 01:14:10.859 Um, but no one is visibly upset about the captain's absence and 1748 01:14:10.859 --> 01:14:13.079 like, I don't know, maybe they're all too professional. 1749 01:14:13.140 --> 01:14:14.760 Maybe we don't want to watch handwringing. 1750 01:14:14.819 --> 01:14:16.199 I't know, but it just seems so weird. 1751 01:14:16.319 --> 01:14:19.199 You just couldn't imagine this in discovery, could you? 1752 01:14:19.260 --> 01:14:22.920 The data going, well, Starfleet have engaged the Borg and then 1753 01:14:22.920 --> 01:14:25.739 just one person on the screen, sort of jumping about going, oh, my 1754 01:14:25.739 --> 01:14:28.140 God, they're taking us out, you know. 1755 01:14:28.199 --> 01:14:30.119 This is TOS levels. 1756 01:14:30.180 --> 01:14:32.579 It's sub TOS level. 1757 01:14:32.640 --> 01:14:37.500 I think it's cheaper, but I do think, though, there is something. 1758 01:14:37.560 --> 01:14:41.340 There's something about them being kept out of the action. 1759 01:14:41.399 --> 01:14:44.579 Like I'd said that it's cheaper, but also, these things are 1760 01:14:44.579 --> 01:14:47.159 happening and they're helpless to do anything about it and they 1761 01:14:47.159 --> 01:14:50.399 arrive after everything's gone wrong. 1762 01:14:50.460 --> 01:14:51.479 That's really powerful. 1763 01:14:51.539 --> 01:14:53.819 It's pretty great. just the image of the ship. 1764 01:14:53.880 --> 01:14:54.779 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1765 01:14:54.840 --> 01:14:55.380 Yeah. 1766 01:14:55.439 --> 01:15:00.720 Again, as a kid, those ships seem so powerful to me as a child. 1767 01:15:00.779 --> 01:15:04.140 Seeing a graveyard of ships like that and knowing how many people 1768 01:15:04.140 --> 01:15:04.859 are on them. 1769 01:15:04.920 --> 01:15:07.079 I just couldn't comprehend it. 1770 01:15:07.140 --> 01:15:14.159 So you know that we find out that 11,000 people are killed in the 1771 01:15:14.159 --> 01:15:15.420 drumhead. 1772 01:15:15.960 --> 01:15:17.399 Ah, okay. 1773 01:15:17.460 --> 01:15:18.720 Oh, Admiral Satay. 1774 01:15:18.779 --> 01:15:22.680 It must have been so sad for you, captain. 1775 01:15:24.840 --> 01:15:27.840 Losing your humanity like that. 1776 01:15:27.899 --> 01:15:29.220 Oh, she was great, wasn't she? 1777 01:15:29.279 --> 01:15:32.039 She's our next bitch after Shelby. 1778 01:15:32.819 --> 01:15:34.439 So great. 1779 01:15:34.500 --> 01:15:38.460 Oh, no, I think we have the woman from Silicon Avatar in this 1780 01:15:38.460 --> 01:15:38.760 week. 1781 01:15:38.760 --> 01:15:39.600 That's season five. 1782 01:15:39.659 --> 01:15:41.279 Oh, okay. 1783 01:15:41.520 --> 01:15:43.439 Terrible episode. 1784 01:15:43.500 --> 01:15:44.699 Fuck it so much. 1785 01:15:44.760 --> 01:15:48.840 Okay, yeah, we are, look, I am noticing we are basically just 1786 01:15:48.840 --> 01:15:50.640 sitting around the normal sets. 1787 01:15:50.760 --> 01:15:54.359 It's so like everyone's kind of quite chill. 1788 01:15:54.420 --> 01:15:57.060 Now let's talk about nanotechnology. very anxious. 1789 01:15:57.119 --> 01:15:58.680 No, they're not in the fight, you know? 1790 01:15:58.739 --> 01:16:01.199 Even Wolf's got his hands behind his back. 1791 01:16:01.260 --> 01:16:02.579 It's very calm. 1792 01:16:03.720 --> 01:16:06.479 Are you meditating, Mr. Wolf? 1793 01:16:06.539 --> 01:16:07.859 What's going on? 1794 01:16:08.460 --> 01:16:10.800 In 2 or 3 weeks, nanites might be all that's left of the 1795 01:16:10.800 --> 01:16:11.279 federation. 1796 01:16:11.340 --> 01:16:13.800 It's just kind of like, sassy bitch. 1797 01:16:13.859 --> 01:16:15.359 Yeah, yeah, that's pretty great line. 1798 01:16:15.420 --> 01:16:18.539 What a ridiculous idea, Beverly, is what she's actually saying. 1799 01:16:18.600 --> 01:16:22.140 And it's funny, isn't it, we're talking about nanites long before 1800 01:16:22.140 --> 01:16:26.699 we know that the Borgs operate using nanoprobes. which are, Well 1801 01:16:26.699 --> 01:16:29.399 no, but don't forget, we did nanites in evolution, didn't we? 1802 01:16:29.460 --> 01:16:30.899 at the start of season three. 1803 01:16:30.960 --> 01:16:32.340 So that's a continuity again. 1804 01:16:32.399 --> 01:16:35.220 That was, well, that's what Beverly says, given our recent 1805 01:16:35.220 --> 01:16:36.899 experience with Nanites. 1806 01:16:36.960 --> 01:16:39.779 Come on, Michael Pillar, you're remembering the past. 1807 01:16:39.840 --> 01:16:42.300 Now, we don't do this sort of thing and not this strike until we 1808 01:16:42.300 --> 01:16:43.020 go to CS9. 1809 01:16:43.199 --> 01:16:44.939 It's Beverly who notices it. 1810 01:16:45.000 --> 01:16:45.720 Do you know what I mean? 1811 01:16:45.779 --> 01:16:48.420 Because it was Wesley who created them. 1812 01:16:50.100 --> 01:16:51.779 There we go. 1813 01:16:51.840 --> 01:16:53.340 She's officially 1st officer now. 1814 01:16:53.399 --> 01:16:56.939 Yeah, but look how he does look a bit as strict as your state in 1815 01:16:56.939 --> 01:16:57.539 Jesus Christ. 1816 01:16:57.600 --> 01:16:59.460 What would you do? 1817 01:16:59.579 --> 01:17:00.119 What would you do? 1818 01:17:00.180 --> 01:17:00.899 Chair. 1819 01:17:00.899 --> 01:17:03.720 If you were the captain. 1820 01:17:03.779 --> 01:17:05.039 I think he's talking to the fish. 1821 01:17:05.100 --> 01:17:06.060 Do you? 1822 01:17:06.119 --> 01:17:07.800 I think he's talking to the geode. 1823 01:17:08.699 --> 01:17:12.000 Oh, whoop. is so great in this thing. 1824 01:17:12.060 --> 01:17:14.220 Like, I don't really agree with what she's saying. 1825 01:17:14.279 --> 01:17:16.199 She's going, just forget about him. 1826 01:17:16.260 --> 01:17:18.779 He's a Borg now and you're the captain and you've got to make 1827 01:17:18.779 --> 01:17:20.340 tough choices and you've got to let him go. 1828 01:17:20.399 --> 01:17:22.380 Well, if he did that, then we would nap him back. 1829 01:17:22.800 --> 01:17:24.720 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1830 01:17:24.779 --> 01:17:27.840 Yeah, I don't know what this scene is for. 1831 01:17:27.960 --> 01:17:28.739 I love her. 1832 01:17:28.800 --> 01:17:31.079 I'm just used to having the captain's ear. 1833 01:17:31.140 --> 01:17:34.260 I think it's pretty good and I love how she sits in his chair. 1834 01:17:34.739 --> 01:17:37.079 I like her hat. 1835 01:17:37.199 --> 01:17:38.579 Yeah. 1836 01:17:38.579 --> 01:17:39.539 Sorry, just that. 1837 01:17:39.600 --> 01:17:42.359 No, no, I love, always love her outfits. 1838 01:17:42.420 --> 01:17:44.220 She looks ridiculous. 1839 01:17:44.279 --> 01:17:45.060 I love it. 1840 01:17:45.119 --> 01:17:46.500 She owns it. 1841 01:17:46.560 --> 01:17:47.279 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1842 01:17:47.340 --> 01:17:48.359 I think she's tremendous. 1843 01:17:48.420 --> 01:17:52.319 When a man is convinced he's going to die tomorrow, he'll probably 1844 01:17:52.319 --> 01:17:53.640 find a way to make it happen. 1845 01:17:53.699 --> 01:17:54.600 Is that a thing? 1846 01:17:54.659 --> 01:17:55.680 Is that what people think? 1847 01:17:55.739 --> 01:17:56.640 I don't know. 1848 01:17:56.640 --> 01:17:57.659 People think that. 1849 01:17:57.720 --> 01:17:59.220 That just seems like an odd thing to say. 1850 01:17:59.460 --> 01:18:03.119 I'll give it. some thought throughout the day and see if it 1851 01:18:03.119 --> 01:18:03.539 happens tomorrow. 1852 01:18:03.600 --> 01:18:04.439 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1853 01:18:04.500 --> 01:18:05.579 Just makes no sense. 1854 01:18:05.640 --> 01:18:08.699 You know, like, and that's one of the thing. just think none of 1855 01:18:08.699 --> 01:18:09.359 that really works. 1856 01:18:09.420 --> 01:18:10.859 Like what's happening here? 1857 01:18:10.920 --> 01:18:15.119 I think if we'd had more exploration of, because obviously her 1858 01:18:15.119 --> 01:18:18.300 race has met the Borg before, and they are responsible for 1859 01:18:18.300 --> 01:18:19.560 scattering her race about. 1860 01:18:19.619 --> 01:18:22.859 So I think what she's saying, given her history with the Borg 1861 01:18:22.859 --> 01:18:24.300 makes sense. 1862 01:18:24.359 --> 01:18:30.239 But, um, you know, Riker's right to not to not accept the fact 1863 01:18:30.239 --> 01:18:31.020 that they've lost him. 1864 01:18:31.079 --> 01:18:35.220 Well, I, I like, like, I do like that if he died, it'd have been 1865 01:18:35.220 --> 01:18:35.819 easier. 1866 01:18:35.880 --> 01:18:39.779 You know, he's still here. and that's a problem. 1867 01:18:39.840 --> 01:18:43.500 And I do like the, if the captain wrote that book, you need to 1868 01:18:43.500 --> 01:18:44.340 throw that book away. 1869 01:18:44.399 --> 01:18:47.399 I think that's very good because... 1870 01:18:47.460 --> 01:18:50.159 And all of this is our relationship's beyond friendship beyond 1871 01:18:50.159 --> 01:18:50.520 family. 1872 01:18:50.579 --> 01:18:52.020 Do you know why we're so close? 1873 01:18:52.079 --> 01:18:55.140 They're mythologising that relationship before we ever see why 1874 01:18:55.140 --> 01:18:55.500 that is. 1875 01:18:55.560 --> 01:18:59.460 And that's a bit of a disappointment, really, to be frank. 1876 01:18:59.520 --> 01:19:02.880 Don't you come for times our own, Mr. Pickett. 1877 01:19:03.000 --> 01:19:03.539 All right? 1878 01:19:06.600 --> 01:19:08.399 She's great in that one. 1879 01:19:08.460 --> 01:19:11.100 You tell my father, okay, I'm not interested. 1880 01:19:13.140 --> 01:19:17.039 Yeah, because she's sort of a younger sassier guy in it then, isn't 1881 01:19:17.039 --> 01:19:17.279 she? 1882 01:19:17.340 --> 01:19:17.939 She's really good. 1883 01:19:18.539 --> 01:19:22.500 Well, isn't that younger gardening in Picard as well? 1884 01:19:22.560 --> 01:19:23.640 Series 2? 1885 01:19:23.760 --> 01:19:25.319 played by a younger woman, though. 1886 01:19:25.380 --> 01:19:27.060 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 1887 01:19:27.119 --> 01:19:27.359 Yeah. 1888 01:19:28.319 --> 01:19:31.380 I mean, she's just Sass going on. 1889 01:19:31.380 --> 01:19:31.920 I love her. 1890 01:19:31.979 --> 01:19:34.680 Do you remember when she's giving Wesley love advice? 1891 01:19:34.680 --> 01:19:36.659 I'm so flirting with Riker. 1892 01:19:36.720 --> 01:19:37.920 That's really funny. 1893 01:19:37.979 --> 01:19:39.180 That's trendous. 1894 01:19:39.239 --> 01:19:41.399 I mean, she goes, shut up, kids. 1895 01:19:41.460 --> 01:19:43.380 Tell me more about my eyes. 1896 01:19:44.520 --> 01:19:46.680 Now he sits in the chair. 1897 01:19:46.739 --> 01:19:47.880 Yeah. 1898 01:19:47.939 --> 01:19:49.380 Very symbolic. 1899 01:19:49.439 --> 01:19:49.920 Yeah. 1900 01:19:49.979 --> 01:19:53.159 But it is the 2nd symbolic sitting in the chair in 2 episodes. 1901 01:19:53.340 --> 01:20:01.079 Yeah, shouldn't it be... just do the Picard maneuver, though. you 1902 01:20:01.079 --> 01:20:01.439 notice that? 1903 01:20:02.220 --> 01:20:03.539 Yes. 1904 01:20:03.659 --> 01:20:04.500 Yeah, absolutely. 1905 01:20:04.560 --> 01:20:05.039 Yeah. 1906 01:20:06.180 --> 01:20:09.899 Oh, well now, we're heading towards the graveyard of ships now. 1907 01:20:09.960 --> 01:20:15.000 And I remember, I remember as a nipper thinking, oh, we're not 1908 01:20:15.000 --> 01:20:17.039 going to see any fighting. 1909 01:20:17.100 --> 01:20:22.079 I remember feeling a palpable sense of disappointment of like... 1910 01:20:22.619 --> 01:20:25.140 They could never have afforded it at this point. 1911 01:20:25.199 --> 01:20:30.840 But I do think that they're using their money well because I think 1912 01:20:30.840 --> 01:20:38.279 just the series of defeats and how bad things are at this and how 1913 01:20:38.279 --> 01:20:40.260 they have nothing. like they have nothing. 1914 01:20:40.319 --> 01:20:42.300 The nanites will take months. 1915 01:20:42.359 --> 01:20:46.920 You know, none of the plans, you know, the Defiant didn't work 1916 01:20:46.920 --> 01:20:47.159 out. 1917 01:20:47.220 --> 01:20:48.060 We'll find out later. 1918 01:20:48.119 --> 01:20:52.920 Um, like all of the things that Starfleet was doing don't work and 1919 01:20:52.920 --> 01:20:56.880 their big plan, their big deflector shield plan doesn't work. 1920 01:20:57.000 --> 01:20:58.920 The Melbourne. 1921 01:20:58.979 --> 01:21:00.539 That's such a great moment. 1922 01:21:00.600 --> 01:21:05.699 So it was amazing having a ship called the Melbourne. as an 1923 01:21:05.699 --> 01:21:09.180 Australian because our 2nd biggest city is called Melbourne. 1924 01:21:09.239 --> 01:21:15.239 And having, uh, Patrick Stewart in the cast, um, who clearly has 1925 01:21:15.239 --> 01:21:18.840 explained how to say Melbourne because Americans always pronounce 1926 01:21:18.840 --> 01:21:20.699 it Melbourne. 1927 01:21:20.760 --> 01:21:21.600 Oh, no. 1928 01:21:22.439 --> 01:21:28.380 But huge kudos again to Ron Jones, because even though that is a 1929 01:21:28.380 --> 01:21:30.539 powerful visual of the enterprise sort of pushing its way through 1930 01:21:30.539 --> 01:21:35.159 all the shifts, the music there really stresses the drama of that 1931 01:21:35.159 --> 01:21:35.340 moment. 1932 01:21:38.460 --> 01:21:40.439 Whatever happened to you, Ron Jones? 1933 01:21:40.500 --> 01:21:44.699 I hope you went on to do good work after when Burman cut you 1934 01:21:44.699 --> 01:21:44.939 three. 1935 01:21:45.060 --> 01:21:46.500 Yeah we should try and find out. 1936 01:21:49.560 --> 01:21:51.300 I mean, like, we do. 1937 01:21:51.420 --> 01:21:55.199 You know, whenever we go back to one to one to four. 1938 01:21:55.319 --> 01:21:56.279 Was this his last one? 1939 01:21:56.340 --> 01:21:58.140 I think he does something four. 1940 01:21:58.199 --> 01:22:00.479 Okay. where you always compliment the music. 1941 01:22:00.600 --> 01:22:01.199 Music, yeah. 1942 01:22:01.260 --> 01:22:01.680 Yeah, yeah. 1943 01:22:01.739 --> 01:22:05.460 How early, early music is a little bit more like TOS music and 1944 01:22:05.460 --> 01:22:07.260 then it just becomes terrible wallpaper. 1945 01:22:07.319 --> 01:22:08.460 Mm. 1946 01:22:08.460 --> 01:22:12.000 God knows why they're lighting all this better. 1947 01:22:12.060 --> 01:22:13.560 There's a bit of dry ice in the set now. 1948 01:22:13.619 --> 01:22:15.180 I've noticed in the Borg ship. 1949 01:22:15.239 --> 01:22:16.319 It's not marsh. 1950 01:22:16.380 --> 01:22:17.159 Yeah. 1951 01:22:17.220 --> 01:22:21.180 I like that, I do like that screen, that revolving screen is 1952 01:22:21.180 --> 01:22:21.600 pretty great. 1953 01:22:21.659 --> 01:22:27.899 That reminds me of, you know, the screen in the air in Picard on 1954 01:22:27.899 --> 01:22:31.020 Rios's ship, you know, it's a bit, it's not as sophisticated 1955 01:22:31.020 --> 01:22:31.500 but... 1956 01:22:31.500 --> 01:22:32.880 Yeah. 1957 01:22:33.180 --> 01:22:35.159 They're doing something. 1958 01:22:35.220 --> 01:22:39.359 So, don't you think the telly on the Battle Bridge is really 1959 01:22:39.359 --> 01:22:39.779 small? 1960 01:22:41.100 --> 01:22:42.479 Yeah. 1961 01:22:42.539 --> 01:22:45.420 I don't know, it just seems tiny. 1962 01:22:45.539 --> 01:22:49.680 It's like even smaller than the Voyager, um, tally, the big 1963 01:22:49.680 --> 01:22:50.159 tally. 1964 01:22:50.220 --> 01:22:52.079 Battle bridge is quite small, wasn't it? 1965 01:22:52.140 --> 01:22:54.960 No, but if you're the captain, you want a comfy chair and a big 1966 01:22:54.960 --> 01:22:58.199 fucking telly, and that's a, like my television's that size. 1967 01:22:58.260 --> 01:22:59.640 I think it's very... 1968 01:22:59.699 --> 01:23:02.039 I think they use it as a cinema, usually, you know, they also 1969 01:23:02.039 --> 01:23:04.020 gather in, the bridge crew. 1970 01:23:04.859 --> 01:23:06.960 We're watching tonight. 1971 01:23:07.020 --> 01:23:09.000 Tom Paris's latest cartoon. 1972 01:23:09.060 --> 01:23:14.579 So, of course, memory alpha goes into some detail about the Battle 1973 01:23:14.579 --> 01:23:18.000 Bridge because we all want to see the Battle Bridge as we learn 1974 01:23:18.000 --> 01:23:19.739 from disaster. 1975 01:23:19.800 --> 01:23:22.920 Remember how the kids wanted to be taken to the Battle Bridge and 1976 01:23:22.920 --> 01:23:25.859 Picard wanted to take them to the Hydroponics Bay and various 1977 01:23:25.859 --> 01:23:27.600 boring places on board the ship? 1978 01:23:27.659 --> 01:23:30.300 So we love the battle bridge and it's very dramatically lit. 1979 01:23:30.359 --> 01:23:31.260 It looks really great. 1980 01:23:31.319 --> 01:23:35.279 But bits of it keep being used for the films and stuff. 1981 01:23:35.399 --> 01:23:37.859 So... 1982 01:23:37.920 --> 01:23:40.979 So they know how to dramatically light a bridge. 1983 01:23:41.039 --> 01:23:42.060 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1984 01:23:42.119 --> 01:23:43.859 But they're not doing it normally. 1985 01:23:43.920 --> 01:23:45.600 It's so strange. 1986 01:23:45.659 --> 01:23:47.100 They never do it again. 1987 01:23:47.159 --> 01:23:48.060 Do you know what I mean? 1988 01:23:48.119 --> 01:23:52.140 Voyager immediately goes actually, we're turning the lights down 1989 01:23:52.140 --> 01:23:54.119 in all these bridge scenes. 1990 01:23:54.180 --> 01:23:56.159 And I think Voyages Bridge as well. 1991 01:23:56.220 --> 01:23:58.380 I can't visualise it. 1992 01:23:58.439 --> 01:24:00.420 It has all those little alcoves and stuff. 1993 01:24:00.479 --> 01:24:03.000 You know, there's the bit where Harry sits and there's the bit 1994 01:24:03.000 --> 01:24:07.140 where, um, at 2 Vok is, but there's other bits over to the side 1995 01:24:07.140 --> 01:24:10.199 and stuff, and you never really get a sense, whereas those big 1996 01:24:10.199 --> 01:24:13.079 high shots of the enterprise bridge with all of the spare space 1997 01:24:13.079 --> 01:24:17.100 for the cameras to wheel around in. very easy to visualise because 1998 01:24:17.100 --> 01:24:18.359 we often see all of it. 1999 01:24:18.420 --> 01:24:19.500 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 2000 01:24:19.560 --> 01:24:21.539 I mean, do you remember that was that one episode of Voyager we 2001 01:24:21.539 --> 01:24:23.939 were watching and it sort of swung round and we realised there was 2002 01:24:23.939 --> 01:24:26.039 an alcohol to the side for the person? 2003 01:24:26.100 --> 01:24:27.300 I was like, oh, the hell? 2004 01:24:27.359 --> 01:24:29.819 They've been there and they've been there for 5 years. 2005 01:24:31.560 --> 01:24:36.239 Whereas DS9, they just learned how to light within the set, didn't 2006 01:24:36.239 --> 01:24:36.539 they? 2007 01:24:36.600 --> 01:24:40.800 With lots of different light sources and levels and yeah, yeah 2008 01:24:40.800 --> 01:24:41.039 yeah. 2009 01:24:41.100 --> 01:24:43.979 So they learned the lessons, didn't they, of that original 2010 01:24:43.979 --> 01:24:44.399 points? 2011 01:24:44.460 --> 01:24:45.180 I mean, look at that. 2012 01:24:45.239 --> 01:24:48.840 Look at that bridge where there's a light on Riker, so you can see 2013 01:24:48.840 --> 01:24:51.119 him really clearly and the background is really dark. 2014 01:24:51.180 --> 01:24:53.520 It's just very effectively lit, I think. 2015 01:24:53.579 --> 01:24:57.119 Picard's brilliantly lit there in the ball cube as well. 2016 01:24:57.180 --> 01:24:59.760 Actually, maybe they have learned a few lessons between seasons. 2017 01:24:59.819 --> 01:25:03.420 And also the other thing is that we all want to see the source 2018 01:25:03.420 --> 01:25:03.840 separate. 2019 01:25:03.899 --> 01:25:06.239 Like we desperately want to see it separate. 2020 01:25:06.300 --> 01:25:07.979 And this is a kid, I did. 2021 01:25:08.100 --> 01:25:11.460 This is the last time we see it separate, I think, because they 2022 01:25:11.460 --> 01:25:13.140 have to use the old model. 2023 01:25:13.140 --> 01:25:17.279 And then, of course, it separates for Star Trek generations. 2024 01:25:17.640 --> 01:25:19.859 Oh, spectacular. 2025 01:25:20.039 --> 01:25:21.840 Notably. 2026 01:25:21.840 --> 01:25:24.899 Oh, this is fabulous. 2027 01:25:24.960 --> 01:25:27.300 Look at these fireworks going off on the exterior. 2028 01:25:27.359 --> 01:25:28.380 That's antimatter spread. 2029 01:25:28.439 --> 01:25:28.859 It's great. 2030 01:25:28.920 --> 01:25:30.180 It's federated. 2031 01:25:30.300 --> 01:25:31.140 I don't care what it is. 2032 01:25:31.199 --> 01:25:34.800 It's just a load of Catherine whales far in about this bullshit. 2033 01:25:34.859 --> 01:25:38.699 Oh, I thought this was quite nice as well, where the shuttle goes 2034 01:25:38.699 --> 01:25:41.340 up and you watch, you can see outside the window. 2035 01:25:41.399 --> 01:25:42.779 Yeah, it's really good, isn't it? 2036 01:25:42.840 --> 01:25:44.279 As it leaves the shuttle Bay. 2037 01:25:44.340 --> 01:25:45.960 Look, that's really effective, I think. 2038 01:25:46.260 --> 01:25:50.939 Oh, look, even, oh, come on, they put in that later on, surely, the 2039 01:25:50.939 --> 01:25:51.539 Enterprise. 2040 01:25:51.539 --> 01:25:54.300 I think it's the Enterprise originally. 2041 01:25:54.359 --> 01:25:54.840 I think so. 2042 01:25:54.960 --> 01:25:56.520 That's a new... 2043 01:25:56.579 --> 01:25:58.260 He's shining his red light straight. 2044 01:25:58.260 --> 01:25:59.399 He's getting used to it now. 2045 01:25:59.399 --> 01:26:00.000 Yeah, yeah. 2046 01:26:00.060 --> 01:26:02.399 And the bears had pointed at the camera dramatically. 2047 01:26:02.640 --> 01:26:07.739 So it's funny how minuscule the shuttle set is. 2048 01:26:07.739 --> 01:26:10.079 It's so tiny. 2049 01:26:10.140 --> 01:26:12.659 And it's the big shuttle. 2050 01:26:12.720 --> 01:26:13.260 Do you know what I mean? 2051 01:26:13.319 --> 01:26:14.819 It's not like a shuttle pod or anything. 2052 01:26:14.880 --> 01:26:16.619 It's a big, big shuttle. 2053 01:26:16.680 --> 01:26:18.960 You wait until we get to DS9. 2054 01:26:19.199 --> 01:26:21.420 I mean, they've got compartments up the back at all sorts. 2055 01:26:21.479 --> 01:26:24.479 Oh, those runabouts get bigger every season, don't they? 2056 01:26:24.539 --> 01:26:26.640 We use a runabout. 2057 01:26:26.699 --> 01:26:29.880 We do use a deep space sign runabout. remember, in timescapes. 2058 01:26:30.239 --> 01:26:32.039 Timescape. 2059 01:26:32.100 --> 01:26:33.600 Ah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 2060 01:26:33.659 --> 01:26:35.039 Yeah. 2061 01:26:35.100 --> 01:26:38.640 Well, you know, they set more and more bloody episodes in them. 2062 01:26:38.699 --> 01:26:41.039 We've got to open this out a bit. 2063 01:26:41.039 --> 01:26:42.420 We can't shoot in this bloody thing. 2064 01:26:42.479 --> 01:26:46.380 And that shitty transporter, the shitty transport, where they 2065 01:26:46.380 --> 01:26:52.260 where they now kidnap, Picard, this is just as bad as the... 2066 01:26:52.319 --> 01:26:56.460 There is a lot of standing there shooting gold one after the other 2067 01:26:56.460 --> 01:26:57.119 isn't there? 2068 01:26:57.479 --> 01:27:00.720 static camera, static camera. 2069 01:27:00.779 --> 01:27:03.060 Move the bloody camera. 2070 01:27:03.119 --> 01:27:04.260 Yeah, yeah. 2071 01:27:04.319 --> 01:27:07.319 And the Borg are just standing there. like in the corridor. 2072 01:27:07.380 --> 01:27:08.939 I guess what else are they going to do? 2073 01:27:09.119 --> 01:27:13.500 No, but like, you know, yeah, do you remember Unity? 2074 01:27:13.560 --> 01:27:19.439 During the episode Unity in Voyager season 3, where they get a 2075 01:27:19.439 --> 01:27:23.819 Borg and bring it onto Voyager, and suddenly it wakes up in Sick 2076 01:27:23.819 --> 01:27:27.960 Bay, and there's like a massive jump scare as it wakes up and sits 2077 01:27:27.960 --> 01:27:31.380 up and it's like they just learn how to do it more dramatically 2078 01:27:32.039 --> 01:27:35.399 them just walking very slowly into short. 2079 01:27:35.460 --> 01:27:40.199 Oh my god, and Picard and Michael, like... 2080 01:27:40.199 --> 01:27:46.859 Camera not moving yet, yeah. 10, nine, eight, so it's a long 2081 01:27:46.859 --> 01:27:47.159 time. 2082 01:27:47.220 --> 01:27:48.960 Oh, no, it's the whole beam out. 2083 01:27:49.020 --> 01:27:49.739 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 2084 01:27:49.800 --> 01:27:52.199 But the camera's not moving because it's locked off so they can do 2085 01:27:52.199 --> 01:27:53.340 the transporter thing. 2086 01:27:53.399 --> 01:27:57.539 And then this lamentably bad transporter on board the ship that 2087 01:27:57.539 --> 01:27:59.579 looks nothing like it's like a thing on the ceiling. 2088 01:27:59.640 --> 01:28:00.720 There's no anything. 2089 01:28:00.779 --> 01:28:01.560 It's terrible. 2090 01:28:01.619 --> 01:28:06.600 It's so cheap I just remember that being so dynamic when I was 2091 01:28:06.600 --> 01:28:07.079 kid. 2092 01:28:07.500 --> 01:28:12.720 Oh my god, they broke into the ball ship and kidnapped Loecus. 2093 01:28:12.779 --> 01:28:16.800 Do you know, the one thing is that I do actually think it is 2094 01:28:16.800 --> 01:28:22.319 pretty great, because I think what's really good about it is that 2095 01:28:22.319 --> 01:28:26.640 we've had these plans discussed in episode one, but we don't get 2096 01:28:26.640 --> 01:28:30.840 to hear this plan before it's executed, so we don't know what he's 2097 01:28:30.840 --> 01:28:31.260 going to do. 2098 01:28:31.920 --> 01:28:35.520 And it's Riker getting it right. 2099 01:28:35.579 --> 01:28:38.520 Like he successfully takes the next step. 2100 01:28:38.579 --> 01:28:42.359 You know, he gives the orders and it works, exactly what he said 2101 01:28:42.359 --> 01:28:43.319 would work, works. 2102 01:28:43.380 --> 01:28:44.220 It's good, I think. 2103 01:28:44.460 --> 01:28:48.779 He got a good smug close-up there where he was playing words, you 2104 01:28:48.779 --> 01:28:50.220 know, justified, I think. 2105 01:28:50.279 --> 01:28:50.760 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 2106 01:28:50.819 --> 01:28:54.420 But again, it's it's got to be the story of him proving to himself 2107 01:28:54.420 --> 01:28:55.380 that he's the captain. 2108 01:28:55.439 --> 01:28:57.180 Look at that man to the right there. 2109 01:28:57.239 --> 01:29:00.840 I mean, he has got wide eyes, doesn't he? 2110 01:29:00.899 --> 01:29:01.920 It looks very shocked. 2111 01:29:02.039 --> 01:29:03.960 God of Mascara on, I think. 2112 01:29:04.020 --> 01:29:06.539 That's Gleason, I think. that right? 2113 01:29:06.600 --> 01:29:09.119 We're only just out of the 80s, you know? 2114 01:29:09.180 --> 01:29:10.500 That's right. 2115 01:29:10.560 --> 01:29:11.640 Only Charles. 2116 01:29:12.060 --> 01:29:17.340 I've noticed as well because it is a tight space. bowl is shooting 2117 01:29:17.340 --> 01:29:21.180 up at a lot of people on that bowl bridge and it's so much more 2118 01:29:21.180 --> 01:29:21.779 dramatic. 2119 01:29:21.840 --> 01:29:22.439 Yeah. 2120 01:29:22.439 --> 01:29:23.399 Yeah. 2121 01:29:23.880 --> 01:29:27.899 Okay, so now we sort of hang out in Sick Bay with Picard just 2122 01:29:27.899 --> 01:29:29.460 lying on a bed for 20 minutes. 2123 01:29:29.520 --> 01:29:32.819 He do for a while, although he does stand up later after Beverly 2124 01:29:32.819 --> 01:29:37.199 gets him out of his turtleneck and we get to see his nipples. 2125 01:29:37.260 --> 01:29:37.979 So there's that. 2126 01:29:38.100 --> 01:29:40.800 We just sort of, I'll tell you what it is. 2127 01:29:40.859 --> 01:29:43.800 We learn how to build to a crescent. 2128 01:29:43.859 --> 01:29:47.100 I can't say the word, crescendo in latter episode. 2129 01:29:47.159 --> 01:29:48.720 Well, do you remember the end of Way of the Warrior? 2130 01:29:48.779 --> 01:29:51.960 You know, you go from the space battle to the battle hand to 2131 01:29:51.960 --> 01:29:52.199 hand. 2132 01:29:52.260 --> 01:29:55.260 You know, everyone been shot and bodies everywhere. 2133 01:29:55.800 --> 01:29:59.460 And look, he's firing a laser into Beverly's hair. 2134 01:29:59.520 --> 01:30:01.140 That's the thing that's happening. 2135 01:30:01.199 --> 01:30:03.000 That makeup is... 2136 01:30:03.060 --> 01:30:03.779 I like the hair. 2137 01:30:03.840 --> 01:30:05.100 We trying to forget... 2138 01:30:05.159 --> 01:30:06.000 The makeup's not good. 2139 01:30:06.720 --> 01:30:09.720 Well, HD has done them no favours. 2140 01:30:09.779 --> 01:30:11.100 No, I think that's probably it. 2141 01:30:11.159 --> 01:30:12.300 That's probably the problem. 2142 01:30:12.359 --> 01:30:14.760 Thank God, they haven't HD Dodo. 2143 01:30:14.819 --> 01:30:16.319 Otherwise, we'll get a lot of trouble. 2144 01:30:16.380 --> 01:30:18.060 It's bad enough in SD. 2145 01:30:18.119 --> 01:30:26.100 That's right Oh, oh, he looks a bit cumbersome, doesn't he, sitting 2146 01:30:26.100 --> 01:30:27.300 there and all of that costume? 2147 01:30:27.359 --> 01:30:30.359 The costume isn't good initially, I think. 2148 01:30:30.420 --> 01:30:31.800 Don't you think? 2149 01:30:31.859 --> 01:30:36.960 Well, when he comes back in emissary, you know, when they do the 2150 01:30:36.960 --> 01:30:41.579 flashbacks to him, it's a different costume, five, less bulky. 2151 01:30:41.579 --> 01:30:45.539 Yeah, and it's sort of brown around the middle. the annoyance of 2152 01:30:45.539 --> 01:30:46.560 the Star Trek fans. 2153 01:30:47.819 --> 01:30:48.359 Oh my god. 2154 01:30:48.420 --> 01:30:50.399 How dare they change this costume? 2155 01:30:50.460 --> 01:30:51.420 Yeah, yeah. 2156 01:30:51.479 --> 01:30:53.100 But it did look a bit rough. 2157 01:30:53.159 --> 01:30:55.319 And then, of course, we get to see it again, don't we? 2158 01:30:55.380 --> 01:30:55.739 Do we? 2159 01:30:55.859 --> 01:30:57.359 In flashback in 1st contact? 2160 01:30:57.420 --> 01:30:57.720 No. 2161 01:30:57.779 --> 01:31:00.539 We do get to see him being assimilated in a way that looks quite 2162 01:31:00.539 --> 01:31:04.680 different and does involve sticking that drill in his eye, which I 2163 01:31:04.680 --> 01:31:05.220 thought was pretty good. 2164 01:31:05.279 --> 01:31:06.600 We could have done with that. 2165 01:31:06.720 --> 01:31:10.560 I wonder if we should any point see him, I don't know, trying to 2166 01:31:10.560 --> 01:31:12.600 fight the conditioning or something. 2167 01:31:12.659 --> 01:31:13.979 Like it's some sort of a battle. 2168 01:31:14.039 --> 01:31:16.020 Like he's just gone, isn't he? 2169 01:31:16.079 --> 01:31:19.199 So the loss of his humanity. just not even relevant. 2170 01:31:19.260 --> 01:31:21.119 Well, we do get it later. 2171 01:31:21.180 --> 01:31:22.079 Do you know what I mean? 2172 01:31:22.140 --> 01:31:25.920 There's a moment where Deanna recognises there's actually a scene 2173 01:31:25.920 --> 01:31:28.859 which I think is actually done quite well, where we start looking 2174 01:31:28.859 --> 01:31:34.079 at his Borg hand, and that's interacting with them, and that's in 2175 01:31:34.079 --> 01:31:38.939 shot, and then at the end it's his human hand that is acting and 2176 01:31:38.939 --> 01:31:39.720 focussed and stuff. 2177 01:31:39.779 --> 01:31:43.199 So we do see it happen and it's not badly done, I think. 2178 01:31:43.260 --> 01:31:44.880 But it's not there at the moment. 2179 01:31:44.939 --> 01:31:46.260 There's no conflict, I think. 2180 01:31:46.380 --> 01:31:50.880 I think really the, the, like we said, is the tier. 2181 01:31:50.939 --> 01:31:52.619 That's the moment where you see it. 2182 01:31:52.739 --> 01:31:53.340 Oh, that's good. 2183 01:31:53.399 --> 01:31:54.300 And that's fighting. 2184 01:31:54.359 --> 01:31:55.260 Yeah, it was good. 2185 01:31:55.319 --> 01:31:57.420 Yeah, and for once, you know, dialogue free. 2186 01:31:57.479 --> 01:32:01.140 So it looked like that should have been us going into the 2187 01:32:01.140 --> 01:32:01.979 credits. 2188 01:32:02.819 --> 01:32:04.260 Yeah. 2189 01:32:04.319 --> 01:32:04.920 Yeah. 2190 01:32:04.979 --> 01:32:06.180 Don't you think Yeah. 2191 01:32:06.180 --> 01:32:06.479 Yeah. 2192 01:32:07.020 --> 01:32:09.359 That would have been great, actually. 2193 01:32:09.420 --> 01:32:09.960 Yeah, yeah. 2194 01:32:10.020 --> 01:32:12.420 Because, I mean, we high ankle shot going down the tier. 2195 01:32:12.479 --> 01:32:12.960 Yeah. 2196 01:32:12.960 --> 01:32:16.079 Because we just go to the, you know, the thing failed sort of 2197 01:32:16.079 --> 01:32:16.380 thing. 2198 01:32:16.439 --> 01:32:20.460 But it's a sort of action thing leading into the closing credits 2199 01:32:20.460 --> 01:32:23.460 but the opening credits, but yes. 2200 01:32:23.520 --> 01:32:28.979 The next big moment for me, though, age 9 was when he goes now 2201 01:32:28.979 --> 01:32:33.119 we're entering sector 001 and the Borg ship goes towards the 2202 01:32:33.119 --> 01:32:33.479 earth. 2203 01:32:33.539 --> 01:32:36.600 And I was like, oh my god, the fight's coming. 2204 01:32:36.659 --> 01:32:37.380 Uh oh. 2205 01:32:37.439 --> 01:32:39.119 That's stupid. 2206 01:32:39.239 --> 01:32:40.079 It doesn't actually happen. 2207 01:32:41.220 --> 01:32:43.619 Yeah, it's huge, isn't it? 2208 01:32:43.680 --> 01:32:45.359 Maybe it shouldn't have been. 2209 01:32:45.479 --> 01:32:47.159 I mean they're not that big later, are they? 2210 01:32:47.279 --> 01:32:51.840 No, but there are other Borg with big giant appendages in the in 2211 01:32:51.840 --> 01:32:52.500 this episode. 2212 01:32:52.560 --> 01:32:53.880 Yeah, yeah. 2213 01:32:53.939 --> 01:32:57.840 Bake your pile, so, you know, like limbs anyway. 2214 01:32:57.899 --> 01:32:58.560 Yeah. 2215 01:32:59.159 --> 01:33:00.600 Yes. 2216 01:33:00.659 --> 01:33:03.359 And this is super interesting, right? 2217 01:33:03.420 --> 01:33:06.060 So it's, you will all become one with the Borg. 2218 01:33:06.119 --> 01:33:09.119 We are here to improve your lifestyle, you know, your quality of 2219 01:33:09.119 --> 01:33:11.039 life, all of that kind of thing. 2220 01:33:11.159 --> 01:33:14.579 We're racist against data because he's just a toaster or whatever 2221 01:33:14.579 --> 01:33:18.479 but we want to improve your quality of life. 2222 01:33:18.539 --> 01:33:24.479 And like when when you're trying to work out what the Borg are. 2223 01:33:24.539 --> 01:33:29.220 So, you know, the Klingons and stuff in TOS was always a Cold War 2224 01:33:29.220 --> 01:33:32.460 metaphor on the Klingons were like Russians and they were like 2225 01:33:32.460 --> 01:33:34.859 Russians as well as Soviets. 2226 01:33:34.920 --> 01:33:35.760 Do you know what I mean? 2227 01:33:35.819 --> 01:33:41.819 But, The Borg are just the Federation, okay? 2228 01:33:41.819 --> 01:33:44.159 Like, they're the dark mirror of the Federation. 2229 01:33:44.220 --> 01:33:48.060 It's literally made explicit when Eddington says it for the 2230 01:33:48.060 --> 01:33:48.359 cause. 2231 01:33:48.420 --> 01:33:49.319 Right, okay. 2232 01:33:49.380 --> 01:33:53.220 At least the Borg are honest about assimilating racist. 2233 01:33:53.279 --> 01:33:53.819 Yeah. 2234 01:33:53.880 --> 01:33:55.500 But that's what they are, isn't it? 2235 01:33:55.560 --> 01:33:56.760 They're us in a way. 2236 01:33:56.819 --> 01:34:01.739 And so Picard gets that line about how we're we're assimilating 2237 01:34:01.739 --> 01:34:06.659 you to make you happy to improve, you know, uh, to improve your 2238 01:34:06.659 --> 01:34:07.260 lifestyle. 2239 01:34:07.319 --> 01:34:09.420 We absorb the cultures and add it to our own. 2240 01:34:09.479 --> 01:34:10.800 Like all of that stuff. 2241 01:34:10.859 --> 01:34:14.460 So it's also, you know, the speech that Tekovma makes at the 2242 01:34:14.460 --> 01:34:19.079 beginning of discovery and that 1st sort of moment of discovery, uh 2243 01:34:19.079 --> 01:34:24.239 that the federation is, like assimilates. 2244 01:34:24.300 --> 01:34:26.220 And I think that's super interesting. 2245 01:34:26.279 --> 01:34:27.119 I like that. 2246 01:34:27.180 --> 01:34:30.000 It's also the joke that they make in Way of Warrior, Quark and 2247 01:34:30.000 --> 01:34:30.479 Garak. 2248 01:34:30.539 --> 01:34:31.439 It's insidious. 2249 01:34:31.500 --> 01:34:33.359 Just like the Federation. 2250 01:34:33.420 --> 01:34:34.260 Yeah, yeah. 2251 01:34:34.319 --> 01:34:35.100 You know what, though? 2252 01:34:35.159 --> 01:34:39.000 The more you drink it, the more you start. 2253 01:34:39.060 --> 01:34:40.800 Yeah, I think so. 2254 01:34:41.220 --> 01:34:43.800 Garak goes, it's vile. 2255 01:34:44.579 --> 01:34:48.840 Only only Americans think it's not vile. 2256 01:34:50.100 --> 01:34:56.520 I think I think, uh, I am feeling that this is flagging a bit 2257 01:34:56.520 --> 01:34:58.859 episode 2, watching this now. 2258 01:34:58.920 --> 01:35:01.739 One, because I don't think there's enough instant in it. 2259 01:35:01.800 --> 01:35:08.340 And two, because it's a lot of plot and not a lot of character 2260 01:35:08.340 --> 01:35:10.199 happening at the moment. 2261 01:35:10.260 --> 01:35:12.239 You know, there's all these ideas, they're batting back and 2262 01:35:12.239 --> 01:35:12.539 forth. 2263 01:35:12.600 --> 01:35:13.800 I know you like all that sort of stuff. 2264 01:35:13.859 --> 01:35:17.880 But there is a way of doing that and having some character. and a 2265 01:35:17.880 --> 01:35:18.720 few jokes in there as well. 2266 01:35:18.779 --> 01:35:22.979 The Shelby stuff's on hold so that's gone and that was great in 2267 01:35:22.979 --> 01:35:23.760 episode one. 2268 01:35:23.880 --> 01:35:30.479 Um, and there's an odd, oddly paced thing where we go on board the 2269 01:35:30.479 --> 01:35:36.720 Borg ship like 4 minutes from the end or something, you know, and 2270 01:35:36.720 --> 01:35:40.500 I don't know, this, I think it's a pacing problem because this 2271 01:35:40.500 --> 01:35:41.880 should be scarier, shouldn't it? 2272 01:35:41.939 --> 01:35:42.840 You've got the Borg. 2273 01:35:42.899 --> 01:35:44.520 That is not in the original. 2274 01:35:44.699 --> 01:35:46.439 Yeah, the bullshit going. 2275 01:35:46.500 --> 01:35:48.539 The 3 ships being destroyed. 2276 01:35:48.600 --> 01:35:50.399 I don't remember that in the original. 2277 01:35:50.460 --> 01:35:54.119 So it goes past Saturn in the previous shot and that's it going 2278 01:35:54.119 --> 01:35:56.460 past Mars and that's Mars' defence. 2279 01:35:56.520 --> 01:35:59.640 These little ships come out and attack it. don't remember that. 2280 01:35:59.699 --> 01:36:00.720 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 2281 01:36:00.779 --> 01:36:05.159 So it's us getting closer and closer to Earth. past recognisable. 2282 01:36:05.279 --> 01:36:09.479 Now, see, and now the Enterprise is catching up with them going 2283 01:36:09.479 --> 01:36:10.260 past Saturn. 2284 01:36:10.500 --> 01:36:14.760 And everyone's, look, Troy, Beverly, they're all just hanging 2285 01:36:14.760 --> 01:36:15.720 around with pads. 2286 01:36:15.779 --> 01:36:17.460 Yeah, that's right. 2287 01:36:17.460 --> 01:36:21.420 Playing Sudoku on the Troop Candy Crush. 2288 01:36:21.600 --> 01:36:23.520 Give him a line. 2289 01:36:23.579 --> 01:36:24.600 Just give them something. 2290 01:36:24.600 --> 01:36:27.300 Oh no. 2291 01:36:27.359 --> 01:36:30.119 She's doing medical babble, the hyperphalamus. 2292 01:36:30.180 --> 01:36:32.520 Yeah, but why are they taking all his clothes off? 2293 01:36:33.600 --> 01:36:35.640 Well, he's been working out. 2294 01:36:35.699 --> 01:36:36.779 He wants to shove it off. 2295 01:36:36.840 --> 01:36:40.199 It might look like a corpse, but it's got a nice chest. 2296 01:36:40.260 --> 01:36:41.279 Yeah, that's right. 2297 01:36:41.340 --> 01:36:44.760 When he knew he was going to be running sort of hanging from the 2298 01:36:44.760 --> 01:36:45.840 ship in 1st contact. 2299 01:36:45.899 --> 01:36:47.279 I mean how much did he work out for that? 2300 01:36:47.399 --> 01:36:48.600 God, he really did. 2301 01:36:48.720 --> 01:36:49.380 It looks great. 2302 01:36:49.439 --> 01:36:50.579 Yeah, doesn't it? 2303 01:36:50.640 --> 01:36:51.060 Fantastic. 2304 01:36:51.119 --> 01:36:53.039 He looks pretty good. 2305 01:36:53.159 --> 01:36:54.000 Shatner. 2306 01:36:54.060 --> 01:36:54.479 All right. 2307 01:36:54.539 --> 01:36:55.199 That's right. 2308 01:36:55.260 --> 01:36:57.060 You fat bastard. 2309 01:36:57.300 --> 01:36:59.100 That's great. 2310 01:36:59.220 --> 01:37:03.060 Yeah, see, look, I just can't find the drama in zooming in on 2311 01:37:03.060 --> 01:37:04.979 Data's positronic break. 2312 01:37:05.039 --> 01:37:08.460 No, although I did I did actually like the moment where he turns 2313 01:37:08.460 --> 01:37:13.260 around and we see it, you know, but yes, like there's... 2314 01:37:13.319 --> 01:37:14.819 It makes sense. 2315 01:37:14.880 --> 01:37:15.779 It all makes sense. 2316 01:37:15.840 --> 01:37:18.479 It does just a little lacklustre. 2317 01:37:18.539 --> 01:37:21.779 Well, it's because we don't see it and they just have to explain 2318 01:37:21.779 --> 01:37:25.859 it to us and they have to tell us about the subspace messages that 2319 01:37:25.859 --> 01:37:28.380 are going between Picard and the thing. 2320 01:37:28.439 --> 01:37:29.699 Like, this is something, here's some action. 2321 01:37:29.760 --> 01:37:31.680 Yeah, but that matters. 2322 01:37:31.680 --> 01:37:32.520 That's literally guy. 2323 01:37:32.579 --> 01:37:36.420 Picard hit him very gently and that man threw himself over. 2324 01:37:36.479 --> 01:37:38.039 Very dramatic. 2325 01:37:38.880 --> 01:37:40.260 Yeah. 2326 01:37:40.319 --> 01:37:41.819 Oh, look, Troy gets a close-up. 2327 01:37:41.939 --> 01:37:42.420 My god. 2328 01:37:42.479 --> 01:37:45.960 So he's going to win this tug of war between Data and Lucutus. 2329 01:37:46.020 --> 01:37:50.039 It's his robot hand and data pulls off. 2330 01:37:50.100 --> 01:37:51.659 He looks so ridiculous. 2331 01:37:51.720 --> 01:37:55.380 Look at him looking at his massive, disembodied, actually. 2332 01:37:55.439 --> 01:37:56.640 Now he knows, what do I do now? 2333 01:37:56.699 --> 01:37:58.199 What do I do with? 2334 01:37:58.260 --> 01:37:59.939 am I supposed to do with that? 2335 01:38:00.000 --> 01:38:02.699 I'm just gonna look around a bit confused. 2336 01:38:02.760 --> 01:38:03.539 Yep, yep. 2337 01:38:03.600 --> 01:38:06.060 But then he grabs him with his human hand at some point. 2338 01:38:06.119 --> 01:38:07.199 So it's a thing. 2339 01:38:08.340 --> 01:38:13.920 Like, you know, I'm I'm skipping forward 30 odd years, yeah. this 2340 01:38:13.920 --> 01:38:18.659 was everybody's contributing to the solution in discovery, yeah? 2341 01:38:18.720 --> 01:38:19.380 right? 2342 01:38:19.439 --> 01:38:22.260 The wit would be flying around this scene, wouldn't it? 2343 01:38:22.319 --> 01:38:22.560 You know? 2344 01:38:22.619 --> 01:38:26.039 And it would be informing all of their characters and it would be 2345 01:38:26.039 --> 01:38:26.279 fun. 2346 01:38:26.340 --> 01:38:32.460 But see, the moment that Troy realises that Picard is there is 2347 01:38:32.460 --> 01:38:34.739 when Picard grabs him with his human hand. 2348 01:38:34.800 --> 01:38:38.640 So he had the dumb business with the robot hand, and then we have 2349 01:38:38.640 --> 01:38:41.579 the human hand engaging it and that's how we know. 2350 01:38:41.640 --> 01:38:44.399 And like, that's not super interesting. 2351 01:38:44.460 --> 01:38:47.279 But it is at least trying to tell the story in a sort of visual 2352 01:38:47.279 --> 01:38:47.579 way. 2353 01:38:47.760 --> 01:38:50.399 And the Borg react to that. 2354 01:38:50.460 --> 01:38:53.340 I think it doesn't help that one is building and building and 2355 01:38:53.340 --> 01:38:56.819 building. and 2 is sort of coming down and coming. 2356 01:38:56.880 --> 01:38:58.979 Yeah, I know it's building momentum as we head towards Earth, but 2357 01:38:58.979 --> 01:39:02.520 the stakes, I think, weirdly enough, the stakes when it isn't 2358 01:39:02.520 --> 01:39:04.739 Captain Picard on the Borg ship are lesser. 2359 01:39:05.100 --> 01:39:08.220 Well, compare it to hegemony, remember? 2360 01:39:08.279 --> 01:39:12.420 Where, where you thought episode one was a bit talky and slow. 2361 01:39:12.539 --> 01:39:16.859 And then when we hit the 10 minutes from the end of episode one 2362 01:39:16.859 --> 01:39:20.939 and then episode 2 just continues to be relentless action. 2363 01:39:21.000 --> 01:39:25.020 And so episode one is all set up here because we haven't planned 2364 01:39:25.020 --> 01:39:25.979 it properly. 2365 01:39:26.279 --> 01:39:31.979 We, we don't know, like we have to do a lot of talking in order to 2366 01:39:31.979 --> 01:39:36.119 get to the point where the audience can buy the eventual solution 2367 01:39:36.119 --> 01:39:38.939 which is not super thrilling anyway. 2368 01:39:39.000 --> 01:39:42.960 But the trouble with it is it promises so much. 2369 01:39:43.020 --> 01:39:46.199 It promises potentially because it's not in the show anymore. 2370 01:39:46.260 --> 01:39:49.140 It promises potentially Riker's gonna go and captain a ship 2371 01:39:49.199 --> 01:39:52.260 potentially the Borg are going to attack Earth. 2372 01:39:52.319 --> 01:39:55.020 It promises potentially you're going to see a big space battle and 2373 01:39:55.020 --> 01:39:55.739 none of it happens. 2374 01:39:55.859 --> 01:40:00.180 It all just goes back to normal at the end. that's the curse of 2375 01:40:00.180 --> 01:40:01.319 TNG, isn't it? 2376 01:40:01.380 --> 01:40:04.680 You can promise as much as you want, but we will reset. 2377 01:40:04.739 --> 01:40:08.579 And the big space battle happens off screen when the Enterprise 2378 01:40:08.579 --> 01:40:11.279 isn't there, like when the Enterprise can't get there. 2379 01:40:11.340 --> 01:40:15.180 And that's great in a way, but Tell you a good comparison 2380 01:40:15.180 --> 01:40:15.420 actually. 2381 01:40:15.479 --> 01:40:18.359 And you, you said this when we did the 2 parter, where the 2382 01:40:18.359 --> 01:40:21.300 Dominion 1st come through the wormhole, and it's all building. 2383 01:40:21.359 --> 01:40:24.720 Do you remember that massive battle outside DS9 that the Romulans 2384 01:40:24.720 --> 01:40:27.359 are there and the Klingons are there and it doesn't happen because 2385 01:40:27.359 --> 01:40:29.699 they're just going to detonate a sun and take out all of them. 2386 01:40:29.880 --> 01:40:33.300 And you were like, yeah, but the consequences of this aren't that 2387 01:40:33.300 --> 01:40:33.720 battle. 2388 01:40:33.779 --> 01:40:38.699 It's the fact that the Dominion has joined Cardassia and there's a 2389 01:40:38.699 --> 01:40:41.039 huge status quo shift to take along with it. 2390 01:40:41.100 --> 01:40:41.520 Yeah. 2391 01:40:41.520 --> 01:40:43.079 That's not here. 2392 01:40:43.140 --> 01:40:45.300 We don't get anything to take along with it. 2393 01:40:45.359 --> 01:40:46.439 No, no. 2394 01:40:46.500 --> 01:40:49.859 Just the character implications for Picard in the next episode. 2395 01:40:49.979 --> 01:40:50.579 Yeah. 2396 01:40:50.579 --> 01:40:54.840 And I think, you know, the thing that we, we don't know about and 2397 01:40:54.840 --> 01:41:01.920 that they don't know about yet is that they changed, they subtly 2398 01:41:01.920 --> 01:41:07.020 changed the premise by having this event have, you know, having 2399 01:41:07.020 --> 01:41:11.460 recently happened, you know, being a thing, that this does make a 2400 01:41:11.460 --> 01:41:14.939 difference to the world that they're in, um, because this is a 2401 01:41:14.939 --> 01:41:18.000 thing that has happened and that that does resonate through the 2402 01:41:18.000 --> 01:41:18.899 rest of the show. 2403 01:41:18.960 --> 01:41:21.840 And that's the thing that DS9 runs with. 2404 01:41:21.899 --> 01:41:23.039 We can do this. 2405 01:41:23.100 --> 01:41:24.899 We can change the status quo. 2406 01:41:25.199 --> 01:41:29.100 What's that sort of lie, you know, sort of below the belly button 2407 01:41:29.100 --> 01:41:31.979 that heads towards, like, what's that lie called there? 2408 01:41:32.039 --> 01:41:34.260 I think it's Apollo's belt or something like that? 2409 01:41:34.319 --> 01:41:36.180 Did you see Picards there? 2410 01:41:36.239 --> 01:41:38.100 Yeah, I mean, his trousers are quite low. 2411 01:41:38.159 --> 01:41:39.960 He's clearly been doing some stuff. 2412 01:41:40.020 --> 01:41:40.920 I should have a look. 2413 01:41:40.979 --> 01:41:41.520 All right. 2414 01:41:41.579 --> 01:41:42.119 Yeah. 2415 01:41:42.119 --> 01:41:43.319 Wait till you see it. 2416 01:41:43.319 --> 01:41:44.760 There was a long shot a 2nd ago. 2417 01:41:44.819 --> 01:41:47.460 It's a bit bewitched Adonis's bell. 2418 01:41:48.239 --> 01:41:50.039 I've just realised I'm becoming just like you. 2419 01:41:50.159 --> 01:41:53.640 I'm starting to admire these corpses on Star Trek. 2420 01:41:53.699 --> 01:41:57.300 To be fair, the Borg aren't quite corpses yet. 2421 01:41:57.359 --> 01:41:59.939 That really doesn't come until 1st contact. 2422 01:42:00.000 --> 01:42:03.960 Yeah, when you and Fraser were admiring the mottled flesh of the 2423 01:42:03.960 --> 01:42:06.239 ball queen, it was very disturbed. 2424 01:42:06.300 --> 01:42:08.760 You've seen Bob Spur. 2425 01:42:08.819 --> 01:42:09.000 Yeah. 2426 01:42:09.060 --> 01:42:10.500 Yes, yes. 2427 01:42:10.500 --> 01:42:13.260 There's that shot of it. 2428 01:42:13.319 --> 01:42:18.300 The Borg cutting into the enterprise, you know, the engineering 2429 01:42:18.300 --> 01:42:21.359 hull again, the same shot that we used in part one. 2430 01:42:21.420 --> 01:42:25.199 I mean, they're doing pulling that shit all the way up to what you 2431 01:42:25.199 --> 01:42:28.020 leave behind where they reuse a load of space effects in that. 2432 01:42:28.079 --> 01:42:30.720 Yeah, it's not like they don't do that going ahead. 2433 01:42:30.779 --> 01:42:34.199 And obviously they do that all the time in Star Trek, the Next 2434 01:42:34.199 --> 01:42:37.199 Generation, that shot of the Enterprise approaching the camera 2435 01:42:37.199 --> 01:42:42.180 with the captain's log like that after the episode. 2436 01:42:45.239 --> 01:42:49.979 Oh, I've successfully planted a command and sort of all collective 2437 01:42:49.979 --> 01:42:50.699 consciousness. 2438 01:42:50.760 --> 01:42:53.399 I would have said self-destruct, not go to sleep. 2439 01:42:53.460 --> 01:42:55.380 No, but they make that clear. 2440 01:42:55.439 --> 01:42:56.220 They can't do that. 2441 01:42:56.279 --> 01:42:57.840 They can't access the weapons. 2442 01:42:57.899 --> 01:43:00.840 They can't access the things they have to access a low priority 2443 01:43:00.840 --> 01:43:02.640 instruction and that's sleep. 2444 01:43:02.699 --> 01:43:05.760 They can't access any of the main system. 2445 01:43:05.819 --> 01:43:07.079 So they do address that. 2446 01:43:07.140 --> 01:43:10.199 They initially trying to get it to do something. 2447 01:43:10.260 --> 01:43:12.359 And then, of course, and I do think that works. 2448 01:43:12.479 --> 01:43:17.579 I don't think it's just a cheat, that when the Borg cube is 2449 01:43:17.579 --> 01:43:21.960 compromised, detects, that it's been compromised and fed an 2450 01:43:21.960 --> 01:43:26.039 instruction from the outside, that initiates the self-destruct. 2451 01:43:26.760 --> 01:43:29.520 Oh man, you need to go. 2452 01:43:29.579 --> 01:43:31.020 Good boy, I boy. 2453 01:43:31.079 --> 01:43:33.300 I was just watching the camera angles here on the bridge. 2454 01:43:33.359 --> 01:43:37.979 Like, like, you know, you deliver your event episodes to your best 2455 01:43:37.979 --> 01:43:38.579 directors. 2456 01:43:38.640 --> 01:43:42.779 Later on, they give them to James L. Conway, Alan Croeca, you know 2457 01:43:42.779 --> 01:43:44.939 people that can inject some life into them. 2458 01:43:45.420 --> 01:43:47.520 A bowl bowls. 2459 01:43:47.579 --> 01:43:49.800 I think that one of their safe pair of hands, you know? 2460 01:43:49.859 --> 01:43:52.260 But he's not good, is he? 2461 01:43:52.319 --> 01:43:56.399 And here we are back on board the Borg ship walking very slowly 2462 01:43:56.399 --> 01:43:59.039 around this minuscule set. 2463 01:43:59.100 --> 01:44:00.300 Can I just say? 2464 01:44:00.300 --> 01:44:01.319 It's not a big set. 2465 01:44:01.380 --> 01:44:02.699 Yeah. 2466 01:44:02.699 --> 01:44:07.319 You can suggest with those map paintings as much as you like that 2467 01:44:07.319 --> 01:44:09.479 it's enormous, really not very big. 2468 01:44:11.100 --> 01:44:13.619 Oh boy, oh boy. 2469 01:44:13.680 --> 01:44:18.359 Now, I realise we are being a little mean about this now, but... 2470 01:44:19.260 --> 01:44:21.359 Like you can see the air conditioning duct's above the thing. 2471 01:44:21.479 --> 01:44:23.279 Oh, yeah, look, look, can you see? 2472 01:44:23.460 --> 01:44:25.800 Oh, you can't really see it there. 2473 01:44:25.859 --> 01:44:27.060 No. 2474 01:44:27.119 --> 01:44:30.060 From the front, they look very impressive. 2475 01:44:30.060 --> 01:44:31.920 Unless they've just put some makeup on. 2476 01:44:31.979 --> 01:44:33.180 He's like, please, will you make that? 2477 01:44:33.899 --> 01:44:37.800 He's, you know, he's getting there. 2478 01:44:37.859 --> 01:44:39.359 I mean, when is Starship mine? 2479 01:44:39.720 --> 01:44:43.199 I don't know, but look at that shot of Deanna's bum. 2480 01:44:43.260 --> 01:44:43.739 Did you see that? 2481 01:44:43.800 --> 01:44:46.560 Yeah, no, she's got a great, great ball marina. 2482 01:44:46.619 --> 01:44:47.220 She does. 2483 01:44:47.220 --> 01:44:49.380 She's always in those figure hockey. 2484 01:44:51.539 --> 01:44:54.300 This is a way explosion. 2485 01:44:54.359 --> 01:44:55.979 How much of this has been added? 2486 01:44:56.039 --> 01:44:56.939 Oh quite a lot. 2487 01:44:57.000 --> 01:44:58.079 Was it always like this? 2488 01:44:58.140 --> 01:44:59.279 Because that looks great. 2489 01:44:59.340 --> 01:45:05.760 In fact, the memory alpha, the memory alpha, description, if you 2490 01:45:05.760 --> 01:45:10.859 go to the memory alpha page talking about how they hadn't made 2491 01:45:10.859 --> 01:45:15.779 enough money for a Borg model, they could flow up and that they 2492 01:45:15.779 --> 01:45:20.699 just got lots of air fix, you know, like airplane, like model 2493 01:45:20.699 --> 01:45:25.680 airplane sets and used all of the, all of the, you know, the racks 2494 01:45:25.680 --> 01:45:29.100 that the, that you push the things out of. 2495 01:45:29.159 --> 01:45:30.479 You don't know about this. 2496 01:45:30.539 --> 01:45:34.619 But like all of these plastic kind of outlines and stuff that they 2497 01:45:34.619 --> 01:45:37.140 made into a thing that they could blow up and it was really tiny 2498 01:45:37.140 --> 01:45:37.800 and stuff. 2499 01:45:37.859 --> 01:45:38.579 It's very cute. 2500 01:45:38.640 --> 01:45:40.859 They'd completely win out of money. 2501 01:45:41.220 --> 01:45:43.079 It looks terrific. 2502 01:45:43.140 --> 01:45:45.119 But it did originally look amazing, I think. 2503 01:45:46.079 --> 01:45:50.699 I mean, I really like as well that in the last scene, I mean, I 2504 01:45:50.699 --> 01:45:53.159 think that last scene with Picard in the Ready Room is terrific 2505 01:45:53.159 --> 01:45:56.579 but the fact that he's still got the Borg implants on his face. 2506 01:45:56.640 --> 01:45:57.420 Yeah, yeah. 2507 01:45:57.479 --> 01:46:00.840 No, I think they're bandages, I think they're not the implants as 2508 01:46:00.840 --> 01:46:01.140 such. 2509 01:46:01.260 --> 01:46:04.979 They're like some kind of derm or a generator thing. 2510 01:46:05.039 --> 01:46:06.840 Yeah, yeah, yeah, you look. 2511 01:46:06.899 --> 01:46:14.880 But it is like him with those things on his face is kind of a 2512 01:46:14.880 --> 01:46:19.500 signal that we are interested in the consequences of this for 2513 01:46:19.500 --> 01:46:19.859 him. 2514 01:46:19.920 --> 01:46:23.340 And that final shot of him looking out the window, which is 2515 01:46:23.340 --> 01:46:25.979 something that we've never seen before. 2516 01:46:26.039 --> 01:46:27.539 And it's that narrow window. 2517 01:46:27.600 --> 01:46:30.720 It's surrounded by metal bulkhead and stuff. 2518 01:46:30.779 --> 01:46:33.239 I think it's a that's a good scene. 2519 01:46:33.720 --> 01:46:38.819 Family is a glimpse into what TNG could have been if they just let 2520 01:46:38.819 --> 01:46:41.460 consequences rip through the series. 2521 01:46:41.520 --> 01:46:46.260 And it is kind of staggering because it's such an outlier, isn't 2522 01:46:46.260 --> 01:46:46.439 it? 2523 01:46:46.560 --> 01:46:47.699 And it's really good. 2524 01:46:47.760 --> 01:46:50.460 Like, I think it's really well constructed because it has all the 2525 01:46:50.460 --> 01:46:54.180 silly stuff, like it's got the Rashenko family someplot, which is 2526 01:46:54.180 --> 01:46:56.220 just tremendous, you know, lovely. 2527 01:46:56.220 --> 01:46:57.779 Yeah. 2528 01:46:58.560 --> 01:47:00.960 Wesley and his dad, all of that stuff is wonderful. 2529 01:47:01.020 --> 01:47:04.380 I mean, even Beverly Crusher is great in that episode. 2530 01:47:04.439 --> 01:47:05.699 Yeah, I think it's really good. 2531 01:47:05.760 --> 01:47:07.439 But it's the earth thing. 2532 01:47:07.439 --> 01:47:08.520 Love. 2533 01:47:08.579 --> 01:47:11.460 Love his reaction here. 2534 01:47:11.579 --> 01:47:14.399 And when he goes to the window and they shoot it from outside. 2535 01:47:15.359 --> 01:47:21.000 And the music, we get the Borg music is almost what Patrick's 2536 01:47:21.000 --> 01:47:24.060 reacting to, is that he hears the Borg music. 2537 01:47:24.600 --> 01:47:26.520 You know, he doesn't obviously. 2538 01:47:26.579 --> 01:47:28.140 It's not digetic. 2539 01:47:28.199 --> 01:47:32.159 But, um, but he reacts to the Borg music, or, you know, we put the 2540 01:47:32.159 --> 01:47:35.159 Borg music in, and then he goes and looks out the window, and 2541 01:47:35.159 --> 01:47:40.800 thank you so much for letting us take without dialogue what he's 2542 01:47:40.800 --> 01:47:41.220 thinking. 2543 01:47:41.340 --> 01:47:45.359 Again, not telling us, but it doesn't look out the window and say 2544 01:47:45.359 --> 01:47:46.920 we've had 2 moments. 2545 01:47:46.979 --> 01:47:48.840 The tear and looking out the window. 2546 01:47:48.899 --> 01:47:54.960 And one of them is negated by Riker asking the chair what it would 2547 01:47:54.960 --> 01:47:55.739 do, I think. 2548 01:47:55.800 --> 01:47:57.840 So we're still up one, though. 2549 01:47:57.899 --> 01:47:58.739 We're still ahead one. 2550 01:47:58.800 --> 01:48:03.899 I think the conclusion I've drawn from watching that through and 2551 01:48:03.899 --> 01:48:07.260 talking about it all the way through is it is flawed. 2552 01:48:07.380 --> 01:48:11.039 There are pacing issues, there's certainly execution issues. 2553 01:48:11.100 --> 01:48:17.340 Um, but the, you know, the imagery and the cliffhanger and the 2554 01:48:17.340 --> 01:48:19.199 character, it endured, didn't it? 2555 01:48:19.260 --> 01:48:22.140 people just don't forget the best of both worlds. 2556 01:48:22.260 --> 01:48:23.159 Yeah, yeah. 2557 01:48:23.220 --> 01:48:24.239 No, absolutely. 2558 01:48:24.300 --> 01:48:25.859 It is also astonishing. 2559 01:48:25.920 --> 01:48:28.260 It's just a different type of television, a different era of 2560 01:48:28.260 --> 01:48:31.739 television where you can't afford to show. 2561 01:48:31.800 --> 01:48:35.819 And so there's heaps of telling and there's keeping the main 2562 01:48:35.819 --> 01:48:38.340 action on the periphery, which you don't. 2563 01:48:38.399 --> 01:48:39.539 I mean, you need to do a little bit. 2564 01:48:39.600 --> 01:48:42.960 There's still budgetary constraints on TV now, and there are still 2565 01:48:42.960 --> 01:48:45.720 things that they have to do away with because they can't afford to 2566 01:48:45.720 --> 01:48:46.439 realise them. 2567 01:48:46.500 --> 01:48:51.539 But, I mean, this is a more expensive two-parter than most Star 2568 01:48:51.539 --> 01:48:52.680 Trek the Next Generation. 2569 01:48:52.739 --> 01:48:56.340 And although at the time we thought Star Trek the Next Generation 2570 01:48:56.340 --> 01:49:00.840 looked lavishly expensive, it doesn't look that any longer, does 2571 01:49:00.840 --> 01:49:01.140 it? 2572 01:49:01.199 --> 01:49:07.500 So, I've never seen TV like it in A, no, me, either. 2573 01:49:07.560 --> 01:49:11.579 I'd lived in a house that didn't have a TV for a bit, you know 2574 01:49:11.579 --> 01:49:14.460 like I hadn't really been regularly watching television and when I 2575 01:49:14.460 --> 01:49:17.880 came back to Star Trek the Next Generation and saw it using camera 2576 01:49:17.880 --> 01:49:21.479 techniques and lighting techniques and stuff that were previously 2577 01:49:21.479 --> 01:49:24.779 sort of filmmick, and I think because I'd been used to watching 2578 01:49:24.779 --> 01:49:26.640 sort of crappy English TV as well. 2579 01:49:27.600 --> 01:49:31.739 And I do genuinely think when Next Generation started, UK 2580 01:49:31.739 --> 01:49:37.199 television was like a decade behind in terms of how it was lit and 2581 01:49:37.199 --> 01:49:38.340 how it was being shot. 2582 01:49:38.399 --> 01:49:41.939 And I think the UK caught up in the 90s quite fast. 2583 01:49:42.000 --> 01:49:42.840 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. 2584 01:49:42.899 --> 01:49:45.779 You know, when those techniques became available. 2585 01:49:45.840 --> 01:49:49.199 But initially, boy, I bought their model shots of the enterprise 2586 01:49:49.199 --> 01:49:51.359 in season one, I was blown away. 2587 01:49:51.420 --> 01:49:53.220 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 2588 01:49:53.279 --> 01:49:56.100 So, like, it did it did look incredible at the time. 2589 01:49:56.159 --> 01:49:58.380 It didn't seem dated at the time. 2590 01:49:58.439 --> 01:50:01.380 This was what 1990s TV was like. 2591 01:50:01.439 --> 01:50:05.520 So the complaints that we're making about it now are not all that 2592 01:50:05.520 --> 01:50:06.779 fair. 2593 01:50:06.840 --> 01:50:07.380 Perhaps. 2594 01:50:07.439 --> 01:50:11.340 You know, you're trying to create a massive threat heading towards 2595 01:50:11.340 --> 01:50:16.739 Earth on a very limited budget with only the ability to shoot a 2596 01:50:16.739 --> 01:50:20.520 few new model shots during the course of the episode. 2597 01:50:20.579 --> 01:50:25.560 And so what you do is you make it about the characters, which is 2598 01:50:25.560 --> 01:50:30.359 the pillar innovation, what he brings to the show in series 3, and 2599 01:50:30.359 --> 01:50:33.359 he has a really, really strong character thing happening. 2600 01:50:33.420 --> 01:50:37.439 But then episode 4 comes along and he just has to put so much 2601 01:50:37.439 --> 01:50:40.739 effort into making sure that the resolution makes sense. 2602 01:50:41.039 --> 01:50:43.500 The toys go back in the box. 2603 01:50:43.560 --> 01:50:47.100 Yeah, and we don't really have time to take that stuff any 2604 01:50:47.100 --> 01:50:47.460 further. 2605 01:50:47.520 --> 01:50:51.659 And so that final scene with Shelby is quite agreeable. 2606 01:50:51.720 --> 01:50:52.560 Do you know what I mean? 2607 01:50:52.619 --> 01:50:55.920 And it shows that she's learned and that that, you know, she 2608 01:50:55.920 --> 01:51:00.239 understands that Riker is absolutely capable of being happened if 2609 01:51:00.239 --> 01:51:03.600 he wants to and he's realised that he doesn't really want to yet 2610 01:51:03.600 --> 01:51:05.220 and he's fine with that too. 2611 01:51:05.279 --> 01:51:08.640 So all of that's resolved, but it's a little bit bad. 2612 01:51:08.640 --> 01:51:10.739 So much potential was Shelby, though, isn't there? 2613 01:51:10.800 --> 01:51:13.619 Like with Rove, they realise, oh, my God. 2614 01:51:13.680 --> 01:51:14.520 Well, keep her around. 2615 01:51:14.640 --> 01:51:15.239 She's amazing. 2616 01:51:15.300 --> 01:51:16.199 Yeah, yeah. 2617 01:51:16.260 --> 01:51:19.680 I think as well, I think in the 1st episode, the structure of it 2618 01:51:19.680 --> 01:51:22.680 the momentum throughout our 1st episode, it just builds and builds 2619 01:51:22.680 --> 01:51:25.619 and builds with a series of great moments. 2620 01:51:25.680 --> 01:51:26.880 We've engaged the Borg. 2621 01:51:26.939 --> 01:51:30.539 Then the reveal of Captain Picard and then the amazing 2622 01:51:30.539 --> 01:51:31.619 cliffhanger. 2623 01:51:31.680 --> 01:51:34.380 So the stakes just keep getting higher and higher and higher. 2624 01:51:34.439 --> 01:51:37.020 In that 2nd episode. 2625 01:51:37.079 --> 01:51:40.439 There are stakes because you see the graveyard and the morgue are 2626 01:51:40.439 --> 01:51:44.880 heading towards earth, but they're small moments surrounded by a 2627 01:51:44.880 --> 01:51:48.060 load of scenes on the enterprise with people standing around 2628 01:51:48.060 --> 01:51:49.439 talking about techno babble. 2629 01:51:49.500 --> 01:51:52.380 Yeah, yeah. you know, the status quo, really. 2630 01:51:53.159 --> 01:51:59.100 But the fact that there just hadn't been Star Trek like this 2631 01:51:59.100 --> 01:52:04.739 before, there was, and I can still feel it now, the excitement of 2632 01:52:04.739 --> 01:52:09.840 experiencing just a huge shift in how Star Trek can be told. 2633 01:52:09.960 --> 01:52:14.640 And I think that is what you can take away from the best of both 2634 01:52:14.640 --> 01:52:15.420 worlds. 2635 01:52:15.479 --> 01:52:17.699 Like, I can understand people that go back and watch this and 2636 01:52:17.699 --> 01:52:20.699 still think it's one of the best Star Trek of all time. 2637 01:52:20.760 --> 01:52:24.359 I think we sort of decided today that maybe that isn't the case. 2638 01:52:24.420 --> 01:52:27.600 But it's still exciting. 2639 01:52:27.659 --> 01:52:28.380 Oh, yeah. 2640 01:52:28.439 --> 01:52:30.960 And as you said, just incredibly important. 2641 01:52:31.020 --> 01:52:35.340 This is literally reinventing what Star Trek does, I think. 2642 01:52:35.399 --> 01:52:36.960 And it is still incredible. 2643 01:52:43.979 --> 01:52:48.239 All right, we've had a few seconds to come down from our high, and 2644 01:52:48.239 --> 01:52:53.399 it is time for us to work out where we're going now. 2645 01:52:53.460 --> 01:52:58.500 Best of both worlds was your choice, and I think you had just kind 2646 01:52:58.500 --> 01:53:03.779 of press select all, yeah, and then chosen a random episode of 2647 01:53:03.779 --> 01:53:07.500 Star Trek, which is a fairly reliable way of getting some 90s 2648 01:53:07.500 --> 01:53:08.279 track happening. 2649 01:53:08.340 --> 01:53:14.460 This time we are going to go directly for 90s trek with our least 2650 01:53:14.460 --> 01:53:21.659 covered series from the 1990s, which is not enterprise, would you 2651 01:53:21.659 --> 01:53:22.140 believe? 2652 01:53:22.199 --> 01:53:24.539 solely because of me. 2653 01:53:24.600 --> 01:53:26.939 I've been tirelessly advocating for enterprise. 2654 01:53:27.000 --> 01:53:29.220 We wouldn't watch any otherwise. 2655 01:53:29.279 --> 01:53:32.520 We wouldn't know. that's right But this time we're going to do 2656 01:53:32.520 --> 01:53:33.600 Star Trek Voyager. 2657 01:53:33.659 --> 01:53:34.979 Oh my god. 2658 01:53:35.039 --> 01:53:37.920 She's just a thing about choosing Voyager episodes is, you know 2659 01:53:37.920 --> 01:53:41.220 half the cast is gray and half the cast is terrible. 2660 01:53:41.279 --> 01:53:44.699 So it's like a 50-50 chance as to whether you're going to get 2661 01:53:44.699 --> 01:53:46.079 something good or something terrible. 2662 01:53:46.140 --> 01:53:47.100 Okay. 2663 01:53:47.159 --> 01:53:48.720 All right, okay. 2664 01:53:48.779 --> 01:53:50.880 In that case, I am going to press the button. 2665 01:53:52.439 --> 01:53:54.420 We've done this one. 2666 01:53:54.479 --> 01:53:56.640 Dragon's teeth, the Vardois. 2667 01:53:56.699 --> 01:53:59.760 Oh, sort of mid-midish sort of episode. 2668 01:53:59.819 --> 01:54:00.899 Not that long ago. 2669 01:54:00.960 --> 01:54:02.220 We're not going to do it again. 2670 01:54:02.279 --> 01:54:04.500 So let's press the button. 2671 01:54:04.979 --> 01:54:09.359 Oh, I think we've talked about this before. 2672 01:54:09.420 --> 01:54:15.239 It's season six, episode 14 Memorial. 2673 01:54:16.020 --> 01:54:20.100 Oh, I quite like Memorial, you know. 2674 01:54:20.159 --> 01:54:25.319 That's the episode that I used to convince the man who became my 2675 01:54:25.319 --> 01:54:28.199 husband to 1st come around my house. 2676 01:54:28.260 --> 01:54:31.560 I said, I really want to see the episode Memorial, and I seduced 2677 01:54:31.560 --> 01:54:33.000 him over. 2678 01:54:33.060 --> 01:54:34.560 Voyager episode memorial. 2679 01:54:34.619 --> 01:54:36.720 So it means quite a lot to me. 2680 01:54:36.779 --> 01:54:43.140 That might be the only time ever that memorial is used in order to 2681 01:54:43.140 --> 01:54:44.100 achieve that end. 2682 01:54:44.159 --> 01:54:46.800 Excuse me, we had 16 years together, all right? 2683 01:54:47.399 --> 01:54:48.539 It did work, all right? 2684 01:54:48.600 --> 01:54:49.439 Right. 2685 01:54:49.500 --> 01:54:51.420 So February 2000. 2686 01:54:51.600 --> 01:54:53.220 It was 1st aired in the United States. 2687 01:54:53.279 --> 01:54:56.460 It is a fascinating episode because it's one of those episodes 2688 01:54:56.460 --> 01:55:00.180 where all of the regulars have to play other roles and some of 2689 01:55:00.180 --> 01:55:04.380 them, Kate Mulgrew, absolutely superb at it and others. 2690 01:55:04.560 --> 01:55:10.079 The Roberts, not Robert Picardo. are just dismal at it. 2691 01:55:10.500 --> 01:55:16.199 Big sort of moral at the heart of it, up to you. 2692 01:55:16.260 --> 01:55:17.760 Ooh, okay. 2693 01:55:17.819 --> 01:55:20.399 No, I'm super tempted, and I want to hear more about the 2694 01:55:20.399 --> 01:55:21.060 seduction. 2695 01:55:21.119 --> 01:55:23.279 So I think we'll pick in. 2696 01:55:32.100 --> 01:55:36.060 You've been listening to entitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford 2697 01:55:36.060 --> 01:55:40.079 and Nathan Bottomley, where online at Untitled Star Trek project 2698 01:55:39.300 --> 01:55:42.359 com, where you can find subscription links and links to our social 2699 01:55:42.359 --> 01:55:43.199 media accounts. 2700 01:55:43.260 --> 01:55:47.100 Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Ciceran, and the theme was 2701 01:55:47.100 --> 01:55:48.659 composed by Cameron Lamb. 2702 01:55:48.720 --> 01:55:52.800 This episode was recorded on the 2nd of December 2025 and released 2703 01:55:52.800 --> 01:55:54.300 on the 5th of December. 2704 01:55:54.359 --> 01:55:58.319 We'll see you next time for Star Trek Voyager, Memorial. 2705 01:56:16.380 --> 01:56:19.619 Yeah, yeah, you won't be disappointed, all right, yeah. 2706 01:56:20.520 --> 01:56:24.060 It's the only time anyone's had it off whilst watching Ethan 2707 01:56:24.060 --> 01:56:24.659 Phillips. 2708 01:56:24.720 --> 01:56:26.460 I'm sure that's not true. 2709 01:56:26.520 --> 01:56:27.359 Not even a lie. 2710 01:56:27.420 --> 01:56:28.380 It's not even a lie. 2711 01:56:28.439 --> 01:56:32.340 That was the video that came out that month and he was buying all 2712 01:56:32.340 --> 01:56:33.000 the videos. 2713 01:56:33.060 --> 01:56:38.460 I said, I said, oh, I said, we had one sort of date with friends 2714 01:56:38.460 --> 01:56:40.380 where we'd gone to the cinema. 2715 01:56:40.439 --> 01:56:42.479 And I said, well, bring it over and we'll watch it. 2716 01:56:42.659 --> 01:56:45.119 And he's like, yeah, all right then. 2717 01:56:45.180 --> 01:56:48.060 And yeah, wow, that was it from that point on. 2718 01:56:48.539 --> 01:56:51.239 We had it off over memorial. 2719 01:56:51.239 --> 01:56:55.140 And then the next day he decided things have moved too fast and 2720 01:56:55.140 --> 01:57:00.239 left me an answer phone message saying no, sorry, and this cannot 2721 01:57:00.239 --> 01:57:03.720 be, I've gone home to my mum and she told me I'm too young to have 2722 01:57:03.720 --> 01:57:04.979 a relationship. 2723 01:57:05.039 --> 01:57:08.819 And then, and then the day after that, so I went to work and just 2724 01:57:08.819 --> 01:57:09.539 forgot all about him. 2725 01:57:09.600 --> 01:57:11.760 You know, I was like, that was good sex, but then mine. 2726 01:57:12.119 --> 01:57:18.000 He came storming into my work and goes, no, I've changed my mind. 2727 01:57:18.060 --> 01:57:19.800 He goes, we're going on another date. 2728 01:57:19.859 --> 01:57:22.020 I was like, oh, right, this is a fucking whirlwind. 2729 01:57:22.199 --> 01:57:25.619 I don't think I've heard that part of the story, actually 2730 01:57:25.619 --> 01:57:25.979 already. 2731 01:57:27.239 --> 01:57:33.239 He had the worst 90s boy band floppy hair you've ever seen in your 2732 01:57:33.239 --> 01:57:33.539 life. 2733 01:57:33.600 --> 01:57:36.899 I can just see that hair bouncing when he came storming in. 2734 01:57:36.960 --> 01:57:38.579 Oh boy. 2735 01:57:38.640 --> 01:57:40.560 I'll relay the story next week. 2736 01:57:40.619 --> 01:57:42.119 Yeah, okay. put this in. 2737 01:57:42.180 --> 01:57:43.199 Do I put this in the episode? 2738 01:57:43.260 --> 01:57:44.039 Is it in the episode? 2739 01:57:44.100 --> 01:57:44.699 Is that it? 2740 01:57:44.699 --> 01:57:45.359 That's in the episode. 2741 01:57:45.479 --> 01:57:48.600 Well, talk about it next week, or you can add it now. 2742 01:57:50.039 --> 01:57:51.060 I think this is perfect tag. 2743 01:57:51.119 --> 01:57:52.859 I think this is what people tune in for. 2744 01:57:53.039 --> 01:57:54.420 Okay. 2745 01:57:54.420 --> 01:57:58.619 I'll track Moral and a great shack. 2746 01:57:58.680 --> 01:57:59.760 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 2747 01:57:59.819 --> 01:58:00.539 At the same time. 2748 01:58:00.600 --> 01:58:02.699 With Ethan Phillips on screen. 2749 01:58:02.760 --> 01:58:06.479 That's awesome God. 2750 01:58:06.479 --> 01:58:08.340 Oh, terrified of Ethan Phillips. 2751 01:58:08.399 --> 01:58:10.800 Yeah, and he's kind of terrible in that episode, though. 2752 01:58:10.859 --> 01:58:16.020 Like, he has, he, he's there in the mess hold, holding Naomi 2753 01:58:16.020 --> 01:58:19.020 Wildman hostage for some reason. 2754 01:58:19.260 --> 01:58:22.380 He's like, no, don't come. 2755 01:58:22.439 --> 01:58:23.640 I'll shoot you. 2756 01:58:23.699 --> 01:58:26.039 He's doing all that's all menatrama. 2757 01:58:26.100 --> 01:58:30.119 It's kind of, and oh, I think there's some terrific Robert Duncan 2758 01:58:30.119 --> 01:58:30.720 McNeil. 2759 01:58:31.560 --> 01:58:33.300 I know. 2760 01:58:33.300 --> 01:58:34.979 Is it, is it? 2761 01:58:35.039 --> 01:58:37.020 I thought it was, like, I always just assumed it was like the 2762 01:58:37.020 --> 01:58:37.619 inner line. 2763 01:58:37.680 --> 01:58:40.680 You know, like it's like an artefact that makes everyone relive 2764 01:58:40.680 --> 01:58:41.939 the terrible thing. 2765 01:58:42.000 --> 01:58:42.960 Yes, it is that, yeah. 2766 01:58:43.020 --> 01:58:46.079 So it's like the inner light only much, much more shit. 2767 01:58:46.199 --> 01:58:49.500 Yes, they, because they, but... 2768 01:58:49.500 --> 01:58:52.319 There is a... pitched it in the writer's room. 2769 01:58:52.380 --> 01:58:53.520 Can't we do an episode? 2770 01:58:53.579 --> 01:58:55.739 Can we do the Can we do the inner light? 2771 01:58:55.800 --> 01:58:57.720 But this time, wait for it? 2772 01:58:57.779 --> 01:58:59.039 It'll be shit. 2773 01:58:59.100 --> 01:59:02.100 And everyone goes, yeah, it's crazy. 2774 01:59:02.100 --> 01:59:03.479 George's MO, isn't it? 2775 01:59:03.539 --> 01:59:04.199 That's right. 2776 01:59:04.260 --> 01:59:06.539 They do that with all the Star Trek. 2777 01:59:06.600 --> 01:59:09.300 I remember Garrett Wang given a good performance in this one. 2778 01:59:09.420 --> 01:59:10.800 Does he get his shirt off? 2779 01:59:11.100 --> 01:59:13.979 He sort of gets all sweaty and dirt. 2780 01:59:14.100 --> 01:59:16.140 Oh, we got a blight going on the killing game, didn't we? 2781 01:59:16.260 --> 01:59:19.380 Yeah, his hair sort of hanging all over his face stuck in the 2782 01:59:19.380 --> 01:59:20.699 whole thing. 90s hair. 2783 01:59:20.760 --> 01:59:21.060 Yeah. 2784 01:59:21.119 --> 01:59:22.739 I've seen you remember he's pretty good. 2785 01:59:22.800 --> 01:59:26.220 I just remember the bit where Kate Mulgrew. where they've 2786 01:59:26.220 --> 01:59:30.239 massacred everybody and she's furious about it. she's just killing 2787 01:59:30.239 --> 01:59:31.439 everybody off the screen. 2788 01:59:31.500 --> 01:59:32.640 Like she's amazing. 2789 01:59:32.880 --> 01:59:37.079 Yeah, let's see what you think. yeah Give me an interest one to 2790 01:59:37.079 --> 01:59:37.380 talk about. 2791 01:59:37.439 --> 01:59:37.979 Yeah, cool. 2792 01:59:38.039 --> 01:59:38.520 Excellent. 2793 01:59:38.939 --> 01:59:43.500 And I love going to that period of this is where it's just Voyager 2794 01:59:43.500 --> 01:59:44.159 for a couple of years. 2795 01:59:44.220 --> 01:59:45.600 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 2796 01:59:45.659 --> 01:59:53.399 There's the those miserable Voyager only years of 2000 and 2001. 2797 01:59:53.520 --> 01:59:54.659 When does Enterprise start? 2798 01:59:54.720 --> 01:59:58.800 Oh, it must start after. after 7, I think. 2799 01:59:58.859 --> 01:59:59.460 Yeah. 2800 01:59:59.520 --> 02:00:00.840 Yeah. 2801 02:00:00.899 --> 02:00:01.500 Yeah. 2802 02:00:01.560 --> 02:00:03.659 Yes, all right. 2803 02:00:03.720 --> 02:00:05.579 Why can I go to bed?