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Hey, Joe. Top of the morning to you.

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Oh, my God.

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Um...

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I don't often go off piece.

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So, as you are no doubt able to tell listener at home, we are about to do Star Trek The Next Generation season two, episode 18 up the long ladder, which was 1st broadcast on the 22nd of May 1989, directed by Rick Colby and written by Melinda M. Snodgrass.

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And before we talk about what we felt about this episode, I want to say that she was the story editor for series 2 from the Measure of a Man onwards, and then later on up until Menager Troy, in series 3, she was executive script consultant, she wrote the Measure of a Man.

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She wrote the teleplay for pen pals.

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She wrote The Ensigns of Command, and she wrote The High Ground.

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So none of them are hugely great, with the exception, I think, of the measure of a man, which is absolutely superb.

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But she is a competent scriptwriter, and I have to say that this is the sort of script that you might have come out within the 1st couple of seasons of Star Trek, the Next Generation, before it finds its feet, while it's still trying to do Star Trek things.

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It's a very Star Trek premise.

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But, of course, the thing that really is the only thing that anyone can remember is the horrific Irish stereotypes.

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Oh, mean, you can certainly remember it.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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It's really funny So the, um, so I think we said this at the end of last week's episode, that Cole Meaney reacted so badly to the Irish stereotypes that when they tried to do it to him again in series one of Deep Space Nine.

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He said, the leprechaun goes, or I do, I think. trying to pull off this shit.

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All right.

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I'm just here.

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Yeah, yeah, okay.

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And that's why we have Rumpel Stiltskin in if wishes were horses rather than a leprechaun.

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Oh, favourite molly line of all.

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Absolutely, absolutely.

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So they're terrible and they're not terrible actors, though, I have to say.

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And one of the things that we discovered is those of you who are Star Trek fans, but not Doctor Who fans, won't really get the significance of this, but there was a story in Doctor Who in 1966 called The Mythmakers set, you know, at the end of the Trojan War, and the guy who plays Danilo Odell, Barry Ingham played Paris in the Mythmakers, and he's really funny in that.

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He's one of the highlights of the myth makers.

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Sadly, the myth makers no longer exists.

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All we have is the soundtrack.

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We don't have any of the visuals at all.

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He's also in the Doctor Who and the Daleks movie, as Alanor.

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Wonderful eye makeup in that.

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I mean, basic makeup. icon.

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Yeah.

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He's also the great mouse detective as well.

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So he did have a career.

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All of that, Nathan, piles into significance compared to Danilo of Up the Long Ladder and his cross-eyed comedy as he drinks down malt whiskey.

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Yeah, it's pretty terrible.

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And it just kind of fearfully embarrassing.

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And Melinda Snodgrass, the rider lays it at the feet of Morris Early, who is himself Irish, when she was trying to explain the premise of the story, like what it was trying to say, a really properly good premise, that isn't completely erased, I think, by the presence of the Irish stereotypes.

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I think it is still there.

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But she says, oh, I want you to imagine them as a kind of village of Irish tinkers.

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And Hurley just goes, oh, no, make them that.

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Do you know what I mean?

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Make them Irish.

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And so it's his idea to have these sort of Irish stereotypes and they're really, really lamentably bad, aren't they?

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I mean, maybe this is his own personal experience of the Irish, you know, if he's commenting. added this characterisation.

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I mean, the 2nd the idea of immigrants coming along and then adding some colour and energy and personality to a very boring planet.

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That's a great idea.

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That's a and a really positive premise.

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But the 2nd we hit the planet, which doesn't happen until about halfway through the episode is so odd.

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It's like one story ends, and then another story begins, and then at the end the 2 stories come together.

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It's really, they're both so half baked because they're both half an episode.

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It's really strange.

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Anyway, the planet is so boring. and colourless and gray and they're so outrageously full of personality.

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You just know, like, it's just the premise is there, but it's so obvious.

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I was like, Leo going, come on, everyone else catch up.

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Where are we going to find this new DNA and personality for our planet?

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Oh, there they are in the cargo bay chasing a pig.

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You know, it's just so laboured.

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And this is precisely them, you know, finding their feed, but it is at least trying to do something like trying to say something.

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Yeah, unlike man hum, which said nothing at all.

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Old women are sexually voracious, something like that.

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Yeah.

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I mean, we said that manhunt's main purpose was just still...

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Well, essentially, to keep things happening until the closing credits rolled, to kind of fill in time.

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I don't know if it achieve that, really, did it?

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Yeah.

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But this is structured very weirdly, like you said.

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And there's a sort of C plot, which is the odd plot between Wharf and Pulaski, which is sort of a gramble.

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Like, it's not terrible.

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She goes, yeah, come on, now, read me some of that sex poetry, wharf.

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It's very strange.

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We're doing a romance between Wolf and Blaski.

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Yeah, yeah, that goes nowhere.

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It does look like it's it's...

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I would have been there for it, Nathan.

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All right?

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Yeah, yeah.

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I think she's terrific.

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I think she is really great We didn't really talk about her last time, and this is only the 2nd episode of hers that we've ever talked about.

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She's really an in Manhunt.

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Do you remember?

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She didn't feature.

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She wasn't in a single scene in Manhub.

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So it's no time...

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So this is our 1st time.

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And so I suppose it's appropriate that we have this conversation.

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Now, I think Diana Moldi is a better actress than Gates McFadden.

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Now I don't think she's as agreeable and and she certainly hasn't got the same sort of chemistry that Gates has with the rest of the actors and that does count for something.

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But she is a better actress.

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And, and, oh, she's really wooden.

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I think she's quite charming within that prickly demeanour that she plays.

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I think that she loses points with people for being mean to data in an early episode and never recovers from that.

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She's kind of mean to everyone in those early episodes.

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But again, we need a bit of that on the ship.

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She's super charming here.

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I just think she's magnificent and she's got a beautiful smile.

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She's just tremendous.

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It's nice to have someone sort of slightly older as a regular as well.

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I think she's really good. as well.

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Did you notice when she goes down to the planet and she's admirer in that bit of art?

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But she's sort of secretly scanning the people at the same time, you know?

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Yeah, just great.

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And that plot.

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I mean, that weird C plot, which ends really early, and it just seems to be there to give colour or give character moments.

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But so you've got these 3 plots that are all kind of happening at these odd rates and that don't seem to have anything to do with one another.

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And then 2 of them come together at the end and the other one just kind of finishes.

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And like they give the end of the teaser to the wharf Pulaski plot, even though it's the least important one.

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They just haven't worked out how to structure an episode of Star Trek.

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And I think the effect of that is that in series 2, you get a kind of feel for life on the ship because the events that happen don't really have anything in common apart from they're all happening on board the Enterprise at the same time.

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And so you get a sense of what life is like on board the Enterprise.

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And I remember that at the time, and I don't think it's done very well, and it turns out that it's not particularly interesting anyway, but it is something that the show kind of abandons, and that in future, all of the scenes in an episode will be working towards the same end, and that's better, I think.

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Yes, I agree.

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I did wonder that the war staff at the start.

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When I read about this whole, you know, how immigrants can bring some colour to your life.

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I wondered if that was leaning into that as well, that that tea ceremony and that maybe that was originally there and threaded through and then just got lost in translation with the Hurley rewrite.

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I wondered if that was what they were going for there.

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Otherwise, it is just there for a bit of colour, which is very strong, or maybe they're 10 minutes short with the 2 plots that they have, so they need to add another one just to fill the space.

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Who knows?

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It's a weird mix, but I will say this as well.

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I did think there were some charming character moments not in the clone plot.

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That is the most generic type of science fiction that bores me senseless, but within the mad Irish stereotypes.

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I really like, what's the woman's name?

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So Brenna is the character?

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And I did like her interaction with Riker, even though, I mean, I don't really want to think about all that foot washing that they keep going on about, but, you know, all of the, you know, don't you like girls, commando?

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We're just that horny Star Trek that we identified before that goes away, kind of.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah.

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But that kind of goes away under Berman, I think.

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You know, horny Star Trek is a very rod and briefing, but he's still around and, you know, has a lot to do with how the show is turning out.

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And so that's definitely there.

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And the bit at the end, of course, where all of the women are going to have 3 husbands for kind of genetic reasons and we're all excited about that at the end as well.

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And so that's the sort of thing where, you know, in the future, there won't be gay people, but we will have sort of different and more open sexual morality is definitely a thing.

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And that's kind of fun.

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I mean, you know why not?

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I'm pleased they take away the sleeves because we've had some icky moments when we've done one and two.

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But then it becomes very sort of generic TV romances after that and they're just very boring to watch.

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I mean, there was one wonderful moment where Brenner reminded me so much of my mother at a family gathering where she came in, shouted at her dad and then said to whoever it was, no one got anything to do, I can give you a job to do.

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If you haven't got anything to do.

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I was like, bloody hell.

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I do like a strong woman in Star Trek, you know?

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Yeah, she's awesome. beautiful as well.

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That could have been a really embarrassing performance, but I think she holds her own actually.

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Barry on the other hand.

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Oh, Barry, we will get there.

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All right.

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It's pretty terrible.

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But it is like there's fun to be had and he's pitching it at a certain level and you have to say that that level isn't inappropriate for Star Trek, at least as it's understood in 1989.

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So you can kind of see what's going on here, I think, you know.

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Now you've seen Bo before we press play.

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Which do you think was more offensive then, the sort of the immigrant Irish people or planet of the Scots?

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Which do you think was the sort of the more humiliating?

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Well, I think that what's weird is we're doing Planet of the Scottish people in our last season.

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Yes, we should.

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We should know better by that.

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Yeah, but I think we have established at this point there's Planet of the Irish people, so why can't there be Planet of the Scottish people and it leans into stereotypes a little bit less.

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I mean, it's a kind of Gothic romance set in the, you know, hills of Scotland or something.

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You can kind of see why they're doing it.

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Studios of Scotland, yeah.

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Yeah, it is kind of terrible.

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I mean, I mean, at times.

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What is it?

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Don't light that candle, Beverly Crusher.

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No good old cover bit.

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It is, that's right.

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Yeah.

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This, I think, part of the problem with this, I think, and in, perhaps in Snodgrass's original treatment as well, before they did definitely become Irish, is the kind of idea where you've got the planet of the very boring, staid white people who never have sex with one another and are certain, and they're not all white in this. one of the 5 original clone people is a black man.

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We'll talk more about that later But, you know, they're supposed to be sort of white Anglo people, and then we get immigrants, and the immigrants are all kind of, you know, 100s of years behind us, and they have straw and pigs, and all the men are drunk, and all the women are bossy and stuff.

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And like, you know, there's colour and stuff.

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It does bring colour and stuff, but it also actually brings some pretty terrible stereotypes.

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Even if they weren't Irish, if they're the immigrants.

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Do you know what I mean?

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And she does want to say, look, these people you might find initially annoying are actually kind of vital for the health of your society.

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But she leans a little bit too much into how annoying they are in a way that I think undermines it a bit.

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There's a great quote from Rick Colby who says that he didn't have to bother with subtlety because the whole point of the contrast between the Irish and the, he's talking about the enterprise crew, you know, is that, you know, they're really serious and they're outrageous and let's just really show that contrast.

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There is a deleted.

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There's a lot of deleted scenes in this, actually, that are on the DVD. goodness.

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But there is one, which I think should have made it into the episode, and it is one of those tedious backstories that you and I relentlessly mock on this podcast, but it is from Barry England's character explaining about the backstory of the Irish to the boring clones on the planet and shows him being charming and intelligent and trying to hold out a hand to them.

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I'm like, okay, yeah, this is sort of needed in the episode for this to happen.

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Otherwise, it just sort of ends because I was assuming it all works out okay because we never go back again.

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Thank God.

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Thank goodness.

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I think there are follow-up stories in other media, apparently.

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Yeah.

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Not in lower decks, though, I don't think.

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Shame.

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Oh, do they never go back to the island?

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Planets.

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Did I go back to the Scottish planet?

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They got the candle, though, haven't they?

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Yeah, we do that.

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Do we do it for care?

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So what do you think?

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I think we should definitely go in.

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Okay.

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I mean, I think people probably feared that we were going to come and rip this.

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I like, we are going to have some agreeable things to say, but I mean, overall, it is, it is still a bit of a dog.

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An interesting dog, but a dog.

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I think it's a functional episode of Star Trek and I'm prepared to grade it on the curve because it is such early days, but it is worth remembering that this season also does contain pleasure of a man.

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But it does also contain manhunt as the next episode. you know?

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Yeah, yeah, that's pretty terrible, isn't it?

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All right.

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Let's just enjoy Pulaski.

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I think we can definitely do that All right.

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I will count us in.

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Five, four, three, two, one, and we're off.

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So no opening thing, because we don't know what's happening yet.

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We're not on our mission.

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We actually find out why we here a little bit later.

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I don't know why we're here at the moment.

211
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We're looking at stars or something.

212
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But there's no actual mission until some way through the thing.

213
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And so this is not looking at all well, is he?

214
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Well, again, Michael never ends up doing this sort of growly behaviour later.

215
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Do you know what I mean?

216
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Like, it's a very early TNG sort of thing.

217
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Bless him. a strange sort of question.

218
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Did you imagine those leather seats creaked?

219
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Did I have to leisurely dub all the lines all the time?

220
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Sure they didn't.

221
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So the captain's log entry and close-up just is revealed to be just a series of numbers rather than the text of anything he's recently said.

222
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Yeah, that's sort of shorthand of the future, you know?

223
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ASKI.

224
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When the binars were there, they gave them a quick lesson in shorthand.

225
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So a distress beacon.

226
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Okay, so that's, there's our in.

227
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

228
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But it's a it's not a distress beacon that we hear being picked up.

229
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Picard has heard about it from the Starbase that they're at or something like that.

230
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So we don't see them picking it up, which is odd.

231
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Do you know what I mean?

232
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Like, normally you would expect them to hear the distressed beacon and then go and find out what it is.

233
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You know what else is old?

234
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Commander Riker knows the sound of every distress beaker and he goes, well, I know them all, but I don't recognise that one.

235
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Well, I don't know that he does.

236
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I mean, it just sounds like a distressed baking because it's a repeated pattern or something like that.

237
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It would have been better if it had been an SOS, wouldn't it?

238
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But they're trying to shy away from contemporary staff, I think.

239
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So we wouldn't get that.

240
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Look how thin his beard is there?

241
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You know, like, do you know later on when he's got a full face of hair?

242
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No, that's just his face is fatter.

243
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Is that why I had a full face?

244
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The 10 o'clock shadow, how is how is the lot of sins?

245
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Oh, God, all of this old earth calendar, 2190.

246
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I just hate all of this early die.

247
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

248
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And we don't ever land at that.

249
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Do you know what I mean?

250
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Like the old earth calendar. don't land on that anyway.

251
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Do you know what I mean?

252
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So, and again, this is all weird and uninteresting ways of introducing this plot.

253
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Why is this happening?

254
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And I do think that it is because early Star Trek, the Next Generation does want to tell us what life on the ship is like.

255
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And so rather than it just being an adventure thing, we do get, you know, messages from Starfleet and references to, you know, the Starbase researchers and all of this sort of thing and information being exchanged and stuff.

256
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I quite like how they come in here and everyone's concerned because wharf's on the floor.

257
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I think that's pretty great.

258
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Oh, a wharf.

259
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I mean, you think this would be the plot right now.

260
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Yeah, yeah, because this is ancient and he's in terrible danger.

261
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Yeah.

262
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That's the end of the cold open.

263
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I've got to say, you'll think about life on the ship.

264
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I mean, when I was a kid, yeah, there was nothing more exciting than just hanging out on the Enterprise in 1987 or whenever it was.

265
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So I didn't really care if it was a boring exposition scene to get us in because I was in the ready room with Captain Picard and Commander Riker. you know?

266
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It's only now I've watched a lot of TV that I go, God, this is tedious, you know?

267
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But I reckon, I reckon Deep Space 9, because it has a unique setting does actually have as one of its remits, you know, giving you an enterprise what the life on the space mall is like.

268
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Do you know what I mean?

269
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Like, we do get a sense of that.

270
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

271
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I wanted to go and explore all those sooks, you know, and places to shop on the promenades.

272
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I mean, they had a basically the same sort of thing every week on DS9, wasn't it?

273
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Oh, something's coming through the wormhole, right?

274
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There's our story started, whatever that is.

275
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Yeah, yeah.

276
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I would have, I mean, I probably would have had the, um, into the credits, be the Irish people beaming into the, and just so everyone goes, what the hell is this?

277
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you know?

278
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I mean, that's that's the most surprising moment, but Will Wheaton just got his credit in the opening credits and he's not in this episode at all.

279
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Yeah, but it takes us so long to get there.

280
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Do you know what I mean?

281
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Like, part of the thing is that the pacing of this is all so weird and because it doesn't focus properly on the story, it's telling.

282
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And I think that's deliberate.

283
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Do you know what I mean?

284
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Melinda Snodgrass can pace an episode.

285
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She knows what she's doing.

286
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I don't know. is just very odd.

287
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So we're like, okay, a mysterious signal and wharf is sick in Sick Bay, how are these 2 things linked?

288
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Oh, they're not at all.

289
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Not at all.

290
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Yeah, that's right.

291
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But you would expect that, right?

292
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That's exactly what you would expect.

293
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You see that panel on the wall there with the triangles going back and forth.

294
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Yeah.

295
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That sort of Pulaski's version of, you know, McCoy's things where you kick the wall.

296
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Yeah?

297
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That's I don't think that you always say, in shades of grey, man, you say that so much because Riker's just unconscious in Sick Bay and you just watch the triangles going back and forth.

298
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That's basically the whole episode.

299
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But I mean, that is very, that's based on the reading the things on the biobads in original Star Trek. with those triangles.

300
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Yeah, yeah.

301
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Yeah.

302
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Okey, dokey.

303
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Oh, I love this bit in a minute, where Picard comes over the, the intercom and she goes, she lies for him.

304
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Which is really nice.

305
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But she's she's super charming in this.

306
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She's really very likeable.

307
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She's not gruff at all.

308
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Well, we're in the 2nd half of the smiling, so she's sort of broken in now and she's had about five, they do like 5 establishing Pulaski episodes.

309
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I don't know why they felt like she needed so much, you know, just put her in there and let her be great.

310
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But by this point, I mean, I think there is chemistry there with the other actors, but they say that they didn't get on. right okay.

311
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Maybe they're just sparing Gates's blushes.

312
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I don't know Yeah, maybe, maybe.

313
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I mean, she is great.

314
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Look at this.

315
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Like, she likes wharf and finds him vaguely amusing.

316
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And maybe you're right.

317
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Maybe this is us seeing what assimilation looks like once it's happened.

318
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You know, the Klingons were our enemies.

319
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We fought a war against them.

320
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And now look how we benefit from having wharf on board.

321
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And it turns out he's not what at all what we expected, that the Klingons are intensely romantic and right love poetry and stuff like that.

322
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And I think that's to me.

323
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Fingers and goes...

324
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Please, Captain Picard.

325
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I hope you believe this terrible life. telling you.

326
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It's really good interaction.

327
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Pulaski's interaction with Picard is super interesting as well because unlike Gates.

328
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They have that romantic history and it's quite a gentle relationship.

329
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It's so fractuous and she's always bossing him about and telling him what to do and Picard is frequently frustrating with Pulaski.

330
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It's great.

331
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Yeah, I always feel like you need a bit more of that in TNG.

332
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

333
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I mean, I love this interaction here that data gives the unnecessary extra bit of detail that the word Mariposa is the Spanish word for butterfly.

334
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He says, thank you, Data.

335
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He says, I thought it might be...

336
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I thought it might be relevant.

337
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And because it doesn't seem to be.

338
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But the audience are all going, oh, okay, right, yeah.

339
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He just says no, sir.

340
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And then like, that's, I think that's very cute.

341
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Yeah, so this is quite good too.

342
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Like the mystery is immediately good and then this a very rare moment where they're both delivering dialogue at the same time.

343
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Oh, that was so strange.

344
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I mean, it's naturalistic because it happens in real life, but it doesn't happen in TV very often.

345
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No, and it doesn't happen in Star Trek.

346
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You know, it doesn't happen in Star Trek at all.

347
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It's it is interesting.

348
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So, here we go. weird back early 20th century, da, da, on the wake of the 3rd World War.

349
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Well, see, we're still kind of leaning into this, aren't we?

350
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And original Star Trek doesn't have any of this backstory, does it?

351
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Like this is Star Trek, the Next Generation thing, the the 3rd World War.

352
00:25:26.759 --> 00:25:30.119
And it's, you know, now Canon, I guess.

353
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Do you remember when we go to the gangster planet in TOS?

354
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They just land and there's people with gangster suits.

355
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And off we're going.

356
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I'm an adventure. when Star Trek gets so boring.

357
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Callum, will the Irish just beam aboard now, please?

358
00:25:44.819 --> 00:25:46.920
But of course, this sets up the mystery.

359
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Do you know what I mean?

360
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Why are there spinning wheels and computers on the same ship?

361
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It could be the most pointless and my favourite scene of the entire episode.

362
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The Klingon T ritual.

363
00:25:57.059 --> 00:26:01.380
Yeah, yeah, which is sort of, again, weirdly orientalist.

364
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Do you know what I mean?

365
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It's a foreign culture, so they must have a tea ceremony.

366
00:26:04.920 --> 00:26:10.619
But the upside of it is, and look how enthusiastic she is, she's wonderful.

367
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She really likes it.

368
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I wanted to do the Klingon tea ceremony with me before.

369
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She loves me.

370
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And then she's so consistent on being involved.

371
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She takes the antidote for this dreadful poison.

372
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She's doing it.

373
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Like, she's picking the flowers and putting them in the thing.

374
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She immediately takes over.

375
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She knows how to do it.

376
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She's home for life. that.

377
00:26:30.059 --> 00:26:31.259
Yeah, maybe.

378
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Worf likes it, but then she says, well, I've never experienced it.

379
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And she, that thing where he says, you mustn't drink the tea.

380
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It's deadly to humans and she says, actually, it's pretty bad for Klingons as well.

381
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And then he explains her.

382
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She has the antidote for this tea ceremony to hand.

383
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So was she hoping one day he was going to come in with the tea?

384
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Uh, no, no, it's just, I don't know.

385
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I doubt it.

386
00:26:55.859 --> 00:27:01.740
But she rushes off and gets the thing that she knows is the antidote to the tea ceremony and says, I'm going to do it.

387
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I'm going to participate.

388
00:27:03.059 --> 00:27:06.359
And so, again, this is this is it working, isn't it?

389
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Like she's enthusiastically participating properly in this thing.

390
00:27:10.799 --> 00:27:12.059
She's not going to fake it.

391
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This is a ceremony about sharing an experience and she's going to share the experience.

392
00:27:16.079 --> 00:27:21.539
It's wonderful, and she's still find reasons not to like Pulaski because she's not Dr. Crusher.

393
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Yeah, yeah.

394
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This line now is the best line of the episode.

395
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Now, read me some of that love poetry.

396
00:27:30.900 --> 00:27:36.180
Except the thing is too, don't you think Michael reads as a young man here?

397
00:27:36.240 --> 00:27:40.980
Like, Michael seems really young, and she's clearly a cool boy, rather than that.

398
00:27:40.980 --> 00:27:41.700
He's really young.

399
00:27:41.759 --> 00:27:43.200
It's crazy. isn't it?

400
00:27:43.380 --> 00:27:47.519
Like, because when I was watching it as a kid, he was just an adult.

401
00:27:47.579 --> 00:27:48.240
Do you know what I mean?

402
00:27:48.299 --> 00:27:49.140
Well, I wasn't a kid.

403
00:27:49.200 --> 00:27:54.359
I was, you know, like at university, but he still seemed like at a proper adult.

404
00:27:54.420 --> 00:27:59.700
But now he just reads the last they did, where he does come across as a much more mature person.

405
00:27:59.759 --> 00:28:01.799
Yeah, he does go on a hell of a journey.

406
00:28:01.920 --> 00:28:04.079
Oh, here we go, right?

407
00:28:06.539 --> 00:28:10.740
So we turned up at the, at the Irish planet.

408
00:28:10.799 --> 00:28:17.819
Column, I would like you to prepare yourself for what you are about to receive on the transport apart, okay?

409
00:28:17.880 --> 00:28:19.019
It's so great.

410
00:28:19.079 --> 00:28:21.420
It's already went to work that day and went...

411
00:28:21.420 --> 00:28:22.380
It can't be that bad.

412
00:28:22.440 --> 00:28:31.019
I mean, I know it's written in quite a broad way, but I'm sure. and then they started shepherding in all the chickens and the pigs.

413
00:28:32.460 --> 00:28:45.539
And actually, I think that the pigs and the little that pygmy goat that the that the pregnant woman is holding and stuff, that that's all awesome. absolutely here for you.

414
00:28:45.599 --> 00:28:46.500
You don't see pigs.

415
00:28:46.500 --> 00:28:47.940
Absolutely.

416
00:28:47.940 --> 00:28:49.140
Do you normally?

417
00:28:49.259 --> 00:29:00.960
And and two, the fact that that's one of the things that sells the the boring white people, the Mariposa, the Mariposans on joining them.

418
00:29:01.019 --> 00:29:01.799
Do you know what I mean?

419
00:29:01.859 --> 00:29:05.160
The Prime Minister walks into the Cargo Bay and sees all those animals.

420
00:29:05.160 --> 00:29:13.019
And the thing that Danilo says, where, you know, how can we make a life without our animals, how are we going to live without them?

421
00:29:13.079 --> 00:29:15.240
Like, that stuff's all really good, I think.

422
00:29:15.299 --> 00:29:22.079
I like the fact that they want to brew their own grolk. because I don't trust the boring symphole.

423
00:29:22.680 --> 00:29:30.900
No, it turns out canonically you can make actual alcohol and get drunk on the ship, apparently.

424
00:29:30.960 --> 00:29:39.359
How do you make offensive stereotypes the most entertaining thing in the episode by bringing in a race of aliens so boring.

425
00:29:40.619 --> 00:29:43.319
So you would rather hang out with them.

426
00:29:43.380 --> 00:29:45.900
But look, we are now hang on.

427
00:29:45.960 --> 00:29:48.539
We're 13 minutes into the episode, right?

428
00:29:48.599 --> 00:29:49.920
And nothing's happened.

429
00:29:49.980 --> 00:29:51.240
They haven't even come on board yet.

430
00:29:51.299 --> 00:29:52.799
And so we get what?

431
00:29:52.859 --> 00:29:56.160
10, 15 minutes with the Irish crowd.

432
00:29:56.220 --> 00:30:01.140
And then we get 10, 15 minutes on the planet and then the episode just thens.

433
00:30:01.259 --> 00:30:03.599
It's weirdly, weirdly unbalanced.

434
00:30:03.660 --> 00:30:04.619
It's very strange.

435
00:30:04.680 --> 00:30:06.420
It's not...

436
00:30:06.480 --> 00:30:07.079
Yeah here we go.

437
00:30:07.140 --> 00:30:09.000
Look at the little girl holding the chicken.

438
00:30:09.059 --> 00:30:10.200
Oh my god.

439
00:30:10.259 --> 00:30:12.180
Oh column.

440
00:30:12.240 --> 00:30:13.559
Holy fuck.

441
00:30:14.940 --> 00:30:18.000
Captain, you better get down there right away.

442
00:30:18.059 --> 00:30:21.660
There's something very offensive going on in the transport room.

443
00:30:21.720 --> 00:30:22.619
That's right.

444
00:30:22.619 --> 00:30:26.880
Oh my god, have you seen the subtitles?

445
00:30:26.940 --> 00:30:28.859
It goes, sheep barring.

446
00:30:32.039 --> 00:30:52.259
And that's so shit that we go to the closing. we go to the ad break and we have comedy Irish music, which is not digetic, and we're, it, Pecan's reacting like he can hear it, but shouldn't he be reacting to the pigs and the, like we should be able to hear the animals and him, but he's kind of going, what the hell is going on in the transporter room?

447
00:30:52.559 --> 00:30:54.960
I mean, have they gone all the way?

448
00:30:55.019 --> 00:30:57.059
No, no, no, it's not digetic.

449
00:30:57.119 --> 00:30:58.380
There's no one playing an instrument.

450
00:30:58.380 --> 00:31:00.059
It is just incidental music.

451
00:31:00.119 --> 00:31:03.000
And we do do little iron...

452
00:31:04.859 --> 00:31:06.599
Where the chicken flies out.

453
00:31:06.720 --> 00:31:07.500
It's awesome.

454
00:31:07.559 --> 00:31:09.119
That's so funny.

455
00:31:09.299 --> 00:31:11.880
I was like, what's going on in there?

456
00:31:12.000 --> 00:31:15.359
And again, I love Picard's reaction.

457
00:31:15.420 --> 00:31:22.440
It's overplayed because again, you know, Patrick Stewart doesn't know how to do this yet, but where he just decides, oh, fuck it, this is funny.

458
00:31:22.500 --> 00:31:24.960
No, I've got to eat cheese. terrific that moment.

459
00:31:25.019 --> 00:31:27.960
I mean, yeah, it's a bit overplayed.

460
00:31:28.019 --> 00:31:33.180
But just to see him relax and go, this is so absurd, let's just go with it.

461
00:31:33.240 --> 00:31:34.799
Yeah exactly.

462
00:31:34.859 --> 00:31:48.960
And it's not like, I mean, we did, um, the way to Eden, okay, where the hippies come on board the Enterprise and their offensive stereotypes and and that's a story basically about how dreadful young people are.

463
00:31:49.019 --> 00:31:51.900
And we thought it was really, I don't think.

464
00:31:51.960 --> 00:31:54.420
No, he was horribly mean spirited.

465
00:31:54.480 --> 00:31:59.339
And of course, you know, all the, you know, the young people get killed and stuff and disillusioned.

466
00:31:59.759 --> 00:32:01.019
That was a great line just then.

467
00:32:01.079 --> 00:32:01.680
Did you see that?

468
00:32:01.740 --> 00:32:04.019
He goes, this is Mr. Worf, chief of security.

469
00:32:04.079 --> 00:32:07.619
And he goes, I don't suppose you have a lot of trouble with scary.

470
00:32:07.680 --> 00:32:08.220
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

471
00:32:08.279 --> 00:32:11.640
He is quite charming, even though he is.

472
00:32:11.880 --> 00:32:13.319
Yeah.

473
00:32:13.319 --> 00:32:15.839
A terrible, terrible stereotype.

474
00:32:16.380 --> 00:32:19.799
But Picard is here being a bit cross and annoying.

475
00:32:19.859 --> 00:32:20.579
Do you know what I mean?

476
00:32:20.640 --> 00:32:22.319
And then he just kind of goes, ah, you know.

477
00:32:22.380 --> 00:32:26.339
It's just all the clothes that they're wearing is so surgical.

478
00:32:26.400 --> 00:32:31.140
The massive handlebar moustache that one of them has like...

479
00:32:31.140 --> 00:32:33.480
Yeah, it's it's it's a bit much.

480
00:32:33.900 --> 00:32:42.599
But it is also the kind of immigrants are sexist and there from traditional societies that have bad gender roles and stuff like that.

481
00:32:42.660 --> 00:32:48.180
And, you know, that just seems to be a bit of an unfortunate sort of message.

482
00:32:48.299 --> 00:32:50.160
Oh, you married, Captain Picard.

483
00:32:50.220 --> 00:32:51.599
I have a daughter, you know.

484
00:32:51.660 --> 00:32:52.799
He goes.

485
00:32:52.859 --> 00:32:54.720
Yeah, all of that.

486
00:32:54.779 --> 00:33:04.079
Just the terrible sexual politics, but I do quite like how Brenna decides to go and make the Prime Minister of Mariposa, one of her husband because he's liking a lot of money.

487
00:33:04.140 --> 00:33:06.599
Well, no, I was a bit...

488
00:33:06.660 --> 00:33:13.500
I thought it was a bit icky when they're talking around the table and um, God, what's what's Barry Ingram's character called?

489
00:33:13.500 --> 00:33:14.460
Danilo.

490
00:33:14.519 --> 00:33:15.359
Dimilo.

491
00:33:15.420 --> 00:33:17.640
Oh, I'm going have to fuck 3 girls apiece.

492
00:33:17.700 --> 00:33:18.359
Great, yeah.

493
00:33:18.420 --> 00:33:20.160
All that stuff was really icky.

494
00:33:20.220 --> 00:33:23.819
But when she went, oh, it's man in power, is it?

495
00:33:23.880 --> 00:33:25.200
I'm going there.

496
00:33:25.200 --> 00:33:26.460
Say hello to him then.

497
00:33:26.519 --> 00:33:29.039
But each woman gets 3 husbands.

498
00:33:29.099 --> 00:33:30.059
Do you know what I mean?

499
00:33:30.119 --> 00:33:39.900
Like, like, and like that hilarious thing where Diana Malda later says, oh, you'll, you know, I'm afraid you won't be able to have traditional monogamous marriages anymore.

500
00:33:39.960 --> 00:33:41.700
And he kind of goes, oh goodness.

501
00:33:43.680 --> 00:33:45.420
Oh, no.

502
00:33:45.480 --> 00:33:47.279
What will we do?

503
00:33:47.339 --> 00:33:50.279
What makes you think that's happening anyway?

504
00:33:51.839 --> 00:33:54.240
Oh, boy, 0 boy.

505
00:33:54.299 --> 00:33:58.200
It goes, the bloody place is a death trap, Captain Picard.

506
00:33:58.259 --> 00:34:00.839
I've tried to make a fire and it's just shot out.

507
00:34:01.140 --> 00:34:10.860
So we get bloody here as a swear word because it's not an American swear word and so everyone's kind of okay with it.

508
00:34:10.920 --> 00:34:13.079
When I was a kid, I wasn't allowed to say bloody.

509
00:34:13.139 --> 00:34:14.820
That would have been unthinkable.

510
00:34:14.880 --> 00:34:17.820
It's the O'Brien go-to swear word, isn't it?

511
00:34:17.880 --> 00:34:18.840
Yes, yeah.

512
00:34:18.900 --> 00:34:24.179
And again, he can say it because he's Irish and it's an American TV show where it's not swearing.

513
00:34:24.239 --> 00:34:29.820
Remember that Scotty also says it in relics as well.

514
00:34:29.880 --> 00:34:31.380
It's kind of interesting.

515
00:34:31.440 --> 00:34:32.940
Did you start pullback there?

516
00:34:32.940 --> 00:34:35.699
To the whole cargo base, set up like a farm.

517
00:34:35.760 --> 00:34:36.599
I know.

518
00:34:36.599 --> 00:34:42.360
Yeah, it's quite fun. kind of terrible, but it is interesting to look at, because we don't know. stuff like that.

519
00:34:42.480 --> 00:34:53.519
And and maybe, maybe, is it Rick Colby is also right, because, I mean, clearly the main opposition is between the Mariposans and the Bringloidy, right?

520
00:34:53.579 --> 00:34:56.699
You know, one is...

521
00:34:56.760 --> 00:34:59.340
I know, that's from a Gaelic word or something.

522
00:34:59.400 --> 00:35:02.099
It's like Snodgrass chose it particularly.

523
00:35:02.159 --> 00:35:04.079
It's not just a space word.

524
00:35:04.920 --> 00:35:21.900
But the opposition between the Enterprise crew and this group is pretty strong as well, the Enterprise crew are advanced technologically and have huge sticks up their arse and stuff, and these people are much more kind of relaxed and a bit more colourful and interesting.

525
00:35:21.960 --> 00:35:24.000
Have you met many Irish ladies?

526
00:35:24.719 --> 00:35:28.380
Uh They are formidable.

527
00:35:28.440 --> 00:35:31.260
I'll tell you what, especially Irish mothers.

528
00:35:31.320 --> 00:35:32.579
I did love her line there.

529
00:35:32.639 --> 00:35:34.500
She goes, well, you might have all the time of the world.

530
00:35:34.559 --> 00:35:37.320
But I've got a load of Thai and hungry people to look after.

531
00:35:37.380 --> 00:35:38.400
So get out of my way.

532
00:35:38.460 --> 00:35:39.719
That was really good.

533
00:35:39.780 --> 00:35:43.860
And that's the way that you'd say that someone's a good person in Star Trek.

534
00:35:43.920 --> 00:35:44.579
Yeah, here it is.

535
00:35:44.579 --> 00:35:49.320
Captain Picard is smiling. what's going on Yeah, it's seriously true.

536
00:35:49.380 --> 00:35:49.860
What's happening?

537
00:35:49.980 --> 00:35:50.820
Yeah.

538
00:35:50.880 --> 00:35:56.340
But it is also like this is Star Trek and Star Trek is frequently silly like this.

539
00:35:56.400 --> 00:36:02.820
Um, you know, this this isn't a complete failure or a complete travesty.

540
00:36:02.880 --> 00:36:04.980
Sometimes when Star Trek is silly.

541
00:36:05.039 --> 00:36:06.659
It pulls it off and it's wonderful.

542
00:36:06.719 --> 00:36:07.980
This doesn't pull it off.

543
00:36:08.039 --> 00:36:11.219
I think it's too broad. when there's work to be done, she says.

544
00:36:11.280 --> 00:36:12.119
Yeah, yeah.

545
00:36:12.179 --> 00:36:13.739
Shouldn't you be flying this ship?

546
00:36:14.159 --> 00:36:16.139
Oh, come on.

547
00:36:16.199 --> 00:36:18.360
I mean, look, the spinning wheels in the back of the shop.

548
00:36:19.380 --> 00:36:22.440
She's milling the flower as we talk.

549
00:36:24.420 --> 00:36:26.400
God's sakes.

550
00:36:26.460 --> 00:36:29.340
Oh, look, there's some...

551
00:36:29.340 --> 00:36:31.559
Oh my god, what's that called there, Beyond, the wooden thing.

552
00:36:31.679 --> 00:36:33.420
For making dresses.

553
00:36:33.480 --> 00:36:35.760
Yeah, that's a spinning wheel.

554
00:36:35.820 --> 00:36:38.699
So making, um, not a sewing machine.

555
00:36:38.760 --> 00:36:39.840
That's for making cloth.

556
00:36:39.900 --> 00:36:42.960
I'm more used to seeing it in Cinderella or that sort of thing, you know?

557
00:36:43.019 --> 00:36:44.280
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

558
00:36:44.340 --> 00:36:46.559
She is beautiful, Brendan, though, isn't she?

559
00:36:46.619 --> 00:36:47.099
stunning.

560
00:36:47.159 --> 00:36:48.659
Yeah, yeah, Pierce.

561
00:36:48.719 --> 00:36:52.019
Well, a lot of a lot of kind of eye makeup, though.

562
00:36:52.079 --> 00:36:57.000
But she is stunning. very odd bit though, where she starts lifting up her skirts.

563
00:36:57.000 --> 00:36:58.739
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

564
00:36:58.800 --> 00:37:00.059
Tell me, come ahead.

565
00:37:00.119 --> 00:37:02.519
Where does a woman wash her feet on this ship?

566
00:37:02.579 --> 00:37:05.460
I was like, that's not sexy. are you doing?

567
00:37:06.420 --> 00:37:08.280
Yeah, here we go.

568
00:37:08.340 --> 00:37:11.460
Oh, look at all that cow shit on her skirt.

569
00:37:11.519 --> 00:37:12.539
Wow, that is sexy.

570
00:37:12.599 --> 00:37:14.159
Yeah.

571
00:37:14.219 --> 00:37:14.940
Yeah.

572
00:37:15.000 --> 00:37:28.679
So, uh, the weird thing is, of course, that the next time we see her in his quarters she's changed clothes and she's in a sexier outfit, but somehow she didn't wash, like, uh, that worried me a little bit.

573
00:37:28.739 --> 00:37:32.880
I mean, I do like the idea of these sort of earthier, more grounded characters on the ship.

574
00:37:32.940 --> 00:37:39.239
That's fun, but there are more subtle ways of showing it on, yeah, hitching up your shit stained skirts.

575
00:37:39.360 --> 00:37:40.619
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

576
00:37:40.619 --> 00:37:41.820
That's a bit too earthy.

577
00:37:41.880 --> 00:37:52.019
I like how Riker likes her and I like how just deciding he's going to have a sexual relationship with someone, he's going to try and have a sexual relationship with someone.

578
00:37:52.019 --> 00:37:53.039
No, no, no, no, no.

579
00:37:53.039 --> 00:37:56.400
She decides to have a sexual relationship.

580
00:37:56.460 --> 00:37:57.659
She clearly her decision.

581
00:37:57.719 --> 00:37:59.639
But, you know, he invites it.

582
00:37:59.699 --> 00:38:02.820
He's got her back in his quarters and stuff, you know, like he does want it as well.

583
00:38:02.880 --> 00:38:07.320
I just think that they start from the top and work their way down.

584
00:38:08.159 --> 00:38:13.199
I like how he undoes her hair and lets it fall. kind of gentle.

585
00:38:14.099 --> 00:38:16.800
Okay, are we going to the other planet now?

586
00:38:16.860 --> 00:38:17.940
Oh no, this is that scene.

587
00:38:18.000 --> 00:38:18.719
No.

588
00:38:18.780 --> 00:38:22.679
See, now, so she's changing to this really sexy outfit.

589
00:38:22.739 --> 00:38:24.420
Look at it. and it's it's awesome.

590
00:38:24.480 --> 00:38:25.860
It's great.

591
00:38:25.920 --> 00:38:30.420
Yeah, yeah, but she says, oh, I still haven't washed my feet and it's kind of like, oh, really?

592
00:38:30.480 --> 00:38:31.619
Come on, why don't you?

593
00:38:31.679 --> 00:38:32.519
before putting that on?

594
00:38:32.579 --> 00:38:33.900
She starts doing the washing up, look.

595
00:38:35.039 --> 00:38:36.059
For God's sakes.

596
00:38:36.119 --> 00:38:38.519
Well, you're not going to clear up this mess, are you?

597
00:38:38.579 --> 00:38:41.280
If someone walked into my house and started doing that.

598
00:38:44.280 --> 00:38:46.019
Ah, yes.

599
00:38:46.739 --> 00:38:51.000
Yeah, you're still one thing you haven't shown me somewhere to wash my feet.

600
00:38:51.059 --> 00:38:51.840
Like, come on.

601
00:38:51.900 --> 00:38:57.539
Like, I was scared that we were going to see the foot washing and I was like, that was too much.

602
00:38:57.599 --> 00:39:00.119
You have you have feet problems though, don't you?

603
00:39:00.179 --> 00:39:03.000
This is not a thing. we should go there, you know?

604
00:39:05.460 --> 00:39:07.800
Look, she's dropping a skirt.

605
00:39:07.860 --> 00:39:09.239
Oh, goodness, man.

606
00:39:09.300 --> 00:39:10.500
She is hard, isn't she?

607
00:39:10.619 --> 00:39:13.559
I'm coming over a bit funny, no.

608
00:39:13.619 --> 00:39:15.119
Yeah, yeah.

609
00:39:15.119 --> 00:39:21.000
It's unusual thing about for 90s trek to be genuinely sexy.

610
00:39:21.059 --> 00:39:22.800
Well, yeah, that's right.

611
00:39:22.860 --> 00:39:34.860
It's so sexless normally, and she is kind of hard, and this isn't like, because all those series of men that, you know, Deanna and Beverly Day are just kind of awful.

612
00:39:34.920 --> 00:39:37.860
Um, but she's stunning.

613
00:39:37.920 --> 00:39:38.579
She's fabulous.

614
00:39:38.699 --> 00:39:44.820
I just like how sort of insistent she is and how gentle he is.

615
00:39:44.880 --> 00:39:46.199
That's really nice.

616
00:39:46.320 --> 00:39:53.579
At the end, there's no sort of question that she just expects now that we're going to, you know, have a relationship or anything like that.

617
00:39:53.639 --> 00:39:56.760
Like she's just in it for the fling. you know what I mean?

618
00:39:56.880 --> 00:40:03.239
And then she's off, uh, you know, trying to uh, marry Wilson Granger, the prime minister.

619
00:40:03.300 --> 00:40:04.380
Oh, here we go.

620
00:40:04.440 --> 00:40:07.440
Danello, trying to...

621
00:40:08.940 --> 00:40:12.000
So, this is where we learn.

622
00:40:12.059 --> 00:40:13.739
And again, this is important stuff.

623
00:40:15.179 --> 00:40:20.940
Is there any way of making a fire about this bloody ship extinguishing with bolts?

624
00:40:21.000 --> 00:40:22.139
It's great.

625
00:40:22.440 --> 00:40:25.559
Sinthal, you calls it.

626
00:40:26.699 --> 00:40:31.500
So yes, we can make real alcohol in the replicators, we're allowed to do that.

627
00:40:31.559 --> 00:40:36.780
So with all the deleterious effects intact. say, yep, no, I want those.

628
00:40:38.519 --> 00:40:43.739
Every moment of pleasure in life has to be purchased by an equal moment of pain.

629
00:40:43.800 --> 00:40:47.039
Actually, I'm not sure that's true, you know.

630
00:40:47.099 --> 00:40:50.579
I feel like the pain actually outweighs the pleasure in life.

631
00:40:50.639 --> 00:40:51.840
I don't know.

632
00:40:51.900 --> 00:40:56.099
Yeah, but like does the hangover outweigh the drinking the night before?

633
00:40:56.159 --> 00:40:58.860
I don't drink in 20 years.

634
00:40:58.920 --> 00:40:59.639
I would know.

635
00:41:01.199 --> 00:41:05.519
Ali, he has one sip at the same for whole one goes terrible.

636
00:41:05.579 --> 00:41:07.079
No, that's whiskey.

637
00:41:07.139 --> 00:41:09.420
That's actual alcohol, but he hates it.

638
00:41:09.480 --> 00:41:10.739
And so and this is wonderful.

639
00:41:10.800 --> 00:41:12.900
Worf says, all right, have a Klingon drink.

640
00:41:12.960 --> 00:41:17.519
And then all of this is so ludicrously broadly played, but it would have...

641
00:41:17.519 --> 00:41:19.920
This is the bit I remember where he goes, boss.

642
00:41:19.980 --> 00:41:21.239
Oh boy, oh boy.

643
00:41:21.300 --> 00:41:22.199
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

644
00:41:22.260 --> 00:41:23.039
Oh, my God.

645
00:41:23.099 --> 00:41:25.860
But that's like the 60s. you know what I mean?

646
00:41:25.920 --> 00:41:31.920
It's like absolute kind of the performance, those big comedy performances from 60s trend.

647
00:41:32.039 --> 00:41:35.579
And then she comes in all brush, father, screaming her right off.

648
00:41:35.639 --> 00:41:41.340
So this might be the biggest problem, this sea. in terms of stereotypes.

649
00:41:41.400 --> 00:41:43.500
Oh, my darling now, is it?

650
00:41:43.739 --> 00:41:45.239
Hello, darling.

651
00:41:45.300 --> 00:41:49.980
Because he's because his throat is ruined by the by the Klingon whiskey or whatever.

652
00:41:50.340 --> 00:41:53.099
Oh, she wants to send us...

653
00:41:53.159 --> 00:41:54.059
Oh, yeah, that was quite nice.

654
00:41:54.119 --> 00:41:55.199
Pulaski again?

655
00:41:55.260 --> 00:41:56.219
Smart ideas?

656
00:41:56.280 --> 00:41:57.300
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

657
00:41:57.360 --> 00:41:58.440
Integrating the children.

658
00:41:58.500 --> 00:42:00.480
But she's smart.

659
00:42:00.539 --> 00:42:01.619
She's not a dickhead.

660
00:42:01.679 --> 00:42:08.219
We could have had a thing where, oh, no, we can't have them educating our children in their weird future ways or anything like that.

661
00:42:08.280 --> 00:42:12.840
Like, she's normal and she's kind of saying, can you not go and do something?

662
00:42:12.900 --> 00:42:22.619
And again, like there is something about that stereotype, reinforcing that stereotype, like telling us that is actually quite good. you know what I mean?

663
00:42:22.679 --> 00:42:24.599
That is a woman who...

664
00:42:24.599 --> 00:42:29.639
The line, why did you have to tell them that magic wall can give them more than meat and potato?

665
00:42:30.960 --> 00:42:34.260
Try again, Melinda, or try again, Maurice.

666
00:42:34.380 --> 00:42:49.380
Well, no, but again, like she's saying that these men are useless and they will just drink, and that's not a message about men generally, it's a message about these immigrant men, and I think that's a problem, right?

667
00:42:49.440 --> 00:42:53.519
And there is just no subtlety in any of those lines at all.

668
00:42:53.579 --> 00:42:59.340
I mean, Danilo is basically dick emery in that scene when he walks off, you know, doing his comedy.

669
00:42:59.460 --> 00:43:00.719
He needs to play it like that.

670
00:43:00.780 --> 00:43:10.320
I just think underplaying it would have been a failure and we've seen, you know, like the, you know, the outrageous O'Connor comes on board and underplays it and it's just a disaster or whatever.

671
00:43:10.380 --> 00:43:13.199
Like, didn't you think this was...

672
00:43:13.260 --> 00:43:14.280
I thought this was done quite well.

673
00:43:14.340 --> 00:43:17.639
He goes, oh, we feared that the earth was destroyed to some terrible catastrophe.

674
00:43:17.699 --> 00:43:20.219
That's why no one turned up to come and see us again.

675
00:43:20.280 --> 00:43:21.780
She's like, yeah, no, we just forgot about you.

676
00:43:21.840 --> 00:43:31.920
I did think, though, do you know, when you go down to the planet, I don't know if it's been done when they did the upscaling, but the special effects of the clones altogether.

677
00:43:31.980 --> 00:43:33.780
I thought that was nicely done.

678
00:43:34.260 --> 00:43:36.539
It's not a special effect.

679
00:43:36.599 --> 00:43:41.099
There are 2 sets of triplets in the cast.

680
00:43:41.159 --> 00:43:42.780
Yeah.

681
00:43:42.840 --> 00:43:48.480
So there are 3 women, Kimberly, Michelle and Tracy Goldman, are the 3 white women.

682
00:43:48.480 --> 00:43:54.300
And the 3 black men are Floyd, Lloyd, and Troy Weaver.

683
00:43:54.360 --> 00:43:58.260
So they get 3 sets of triplets in to play the clone.

684
00:43:58.980 --> 00:44:01.320
It's not a special effect at all at all.

685
00:44:01.380 --> 00:44:05.400
It's actual clones playing the clones as it happens.

686
00:44:05.519 --> 00:44:07.139
There you go.

687
00:44:07.199 --> 00:44:08.760
The efforts that they go to in this show.

688
00:44:08.820 --> 00:44:09.780
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

689
00:44:09.840 --> 00:44:13.739
So there's 2 of them in the background, 2 of the Weaver boys are in the background of that shot.

690
00:44:13.800 --> 00:44:16.440
And these boring corridor sets.

691
00:44:16.559 --> 00:44:18.239
I mean, what did you do?

692
00:44:18.300 --> 00:44:21.840
Just sit there on that bench in the corridor and look at the art.

693
00:44:21.900 --> 00:44:23.699
There's the 3 women.

694
00:44:23.760 --> 00:44:29.699
There's the 3 girls and then and then later on when the door opens, we'll see the 3 men.

695
00:44:29.760 --> 00:44:31.800
It's terrific.

696
00:44:31.860 --> 00:44:39.179
And then, you know, in another shot, a 4th one comes through, which is... thinking that Rick Colby had done some great split screen work.

697
00:44:39.360 --> 00:44:41.159
It's pretty good though.

698
00:44:41.219 --> 00:44:42.960
It's a great trivia, Nathan.

699
00:44:43.139 --> 00:44:49.860
And again, I just think this, like, this is very Star Treky.

700
00:44:49.920 --> 00:44:51.300
This is kind of what we're here for.

701
00:44:51.360 --> 00:44:58.980
I know this is sort of boring, but what Star Trek does, is it sets up these made-up societies in order to make a point.

702
00:44:58.980 --> 00:45:00.239
You've got a sore thing, no, don't they?

703
00:45:00.300 --> 00:45:03.719
Yeah, they do, but...

704
00:45:03.780 --> 00:45:04.679
It is a thing.

705
00:45:04.739 --> 00:45:08.579
You know, this is this is Star Trek doing what we expect Star Trek to do.

706
00:45:08.639 --> 00:45:11.639
Did you hear the better trivia about that art?

707
00:45:12.599 --> 00:45:18.960
Yeah, yeah, that looks like something from a TOS episode starring Diana Mulder.

708
00:45:19.019 --> 00:45:19.920
Yeah, I thought that was a nice touch.

709
00:45:22.980 --> 00:45:38.099
Yeah, so like obviously with this guy, the guy who plays Wilson and Victor Granger, one of Victor is the chief medical officer or the Minister of Health and Wilson Granger is this guy, the Prime Minister.

710
00:45:38.159 --> 00:45:41.219
They just do that by, you know, doing a shot reverse shot.

711
00:45:41.280 --> 00:45:49.260
Like, there is a full episode, don't you think, in the concept of making clones out of the enterprise crew.

712
00:45:49.320 --> 00:45:51.300
I mean, that's demon and it's very boring.

713
00:45:51.360 --> 00:45:55.860
Yeah, I think they give this the right amount of time.

714
00:45:55.920 --> 00:46:24.360
I think actually, you know, these are 2 kind of undercooked, um, sort of an A plot and a B plot that come together at the end, but they present contrasting civilisations, you know, completely contrasting civilisations, and then bring them together at the end and say, you know, these weirdo eugenists, uh, who initially we have more sympathy for uh, than we do the Irish people because they're super annoying.

715
00:46:24.420 --> 00:46:33.780
It turns out the weirdo eugenists are the bad, weird guys who desperately need the Irish people to inject a bit of life and sense into them.

716
00:46:33.840 --> 00:46:37.500
And, you know, that's actually not a bad story to tell.

717
00:46:37.559 --> 00:46:47.340
And so it means that we spend enough time with the Irish people until we're bored with them and then they stop for a while and then we spend enough time with these people to not get bored of them.

718
00:46:47.400 --> 00:46:48.000
Do you know what I mean?

719
00:46:48.059 --> 00:46:50.400
Like, it doesn't, like, not a huge amount happens.

720
00:46:50.460 --> 00:46:53.219
I think Riker is weird in this scene, though.

721
00:46:53.280 --> 00:46:56.760
Well, when he says, oh, I want little clones of William...

722
00:46:56.880 --> 00:47:04.500
Melinda Snodgroff says, doesn't she, that when they kill the clones, the pro-lifers came after her, didn't they?

723
00:47:04.619 --> 00:47:05.280
Yeah.

724
00:47:05.340 --> 00:47:13.380
But she actually said that it was intentional, and there is dialogue in there saying, what happens to my body is my choice.

725
00:47:13.440 --> 00:47:21.000
You're not taking DNA off me and making people without my permission, and I have the right to stop you from doing that.

726
00:47:21.119 --> 00:47:23.159
Well, they see is in pulling the gun, isn't it?

727
00:47:23.159 --> 00:47:24.719
and killing a life, I suppose.

728
00:47:24.780 --> 00:47:29.460
But I mean, that's that's very deliberately portrayed that way.

729
00:47:29.460 --> 00:47:39.059
And it is a definite pro-choice message and it's really strong for an American TV show to do that because they always sort of dance around it.

730
00:47:39.119 --> 00:47:40.800
And look at America now.

731
00:47:40.920 --> 00:47:47.519
Like America now is there's a huge pro-life contingent that is in charge of the government now.

732
00:47:47.579 --> 00:47:51.659
And so it's a progressive message, which is what Star Trek should be doing.

733
00:47:51.719 --> 00:47:57.000
Literally do this story later in a run in 2nd chances where there is a 2nd wheel Riker.

734
00:47:57.059 --> 00:47:57.480
Yeah.

735
00:47:57.480 --> 00:47:59.699
And it doesn't diminish him at all.

736
00:47:59.880 --> 00:48:01.679
So God knows what he's talking about.

737
00:48:01.739 --> 00:48:03.360
Yeah, exactly.

738
00:48:03.420 --> 00:48:09.480
And, you know, like triplets are in this, in the cast here, there are triplets.

739
00:48:09.539 --> 00:48:13.019
They're not of less value because there's 3 of them, right?

740
00:48:13.079 --> 00:48:17.039
Identical twins aren't of less value because they're not unique, you know.

741
00:48:17.159 --> 00:48:19.440
What was that line from Picard that?

742
00:48:19.500 --> 00:48:26.159
That is the thing about series one and 2 that really irritates me, is that it's stuff that they would, he would never say later.

743
00:48:26.219 --> 00:48:31.199
He goes, I think you'll find that that opinion would be prevalent amongst the enterprise people.

744
00:48:31.260 --> 00:48:32.099
What?

745
00:48:32.159 --> 00:48:32.940
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

746
00:48:33.000 --> 00:48:34.860
It's very good. my crew.

747
00:48:34.920 --> 00:48:36.119
Yeah, yeah.

748
00:48:36.179 --> 00:48:37.500
The enterprise people.

749
00:48:37.559 --> 00:48:37.980
Okay.

750
00:48:38.039 --> 00:48:38.760
Yeah.

751
00:48:38.940 --> 00:48:44.219
But, yeah, so, I mean, I really like that.

752
00:48:44.280 --> 00:48:59.400
I think that that Super bold and it is, she, she says, like, she's quoted in the, um, in the memory alpha page saying that she intended it to be a pro-choice message and that she was given support by the production team to include it.

753
00:48:59.460 --> 00:49:00.900
So good for her.

754
00:49:00.960 --> 00:49:07.380
I do like Dr. Pulaski there going, oh, Captain, you know, this is my one child to see a dying planet of clones.

755
00:49:07.440 --> 00:49:09.480
Please, can I go down and study them?

756
00:49:09.840 --> 00:49:13.860
And that replicative fading thing, I think, is well introduced.

757
00:49:13.920 --> 00:49:15.719
It's super important for the plot.

758
00:49:15.780 --> 00:49:22.559
We need to know that this cloning thing is a recipe for a stagnating and eventually extinct society.

759
00:49:22.619 --> 00:49:26.760
And later on they say it's got 50 years left maybe at the most.

760
00:49:26.820 --> 00:49:34.619
Yeah, see, there's 2 of those, the, um, weaver, um, triplets are in this scene.

761
00:49:34.679 --> 00:49:36.300
The camera moves across from one to the other.

762
00:49:36.360 --> 00:49:39.900
I wouldn't have much to say about these incredibly boring sets.

763
00:49:39.960 --> 00:49:43.860
So that, I will say that that door they just came in was impressively huge.

764
00:49:43.920 --> 00:49:45.360
Yeah, yeah.

765
00:49:45.420 --> 00:49:46.559
It's got some scale.

766
00:49:46.679 --> 00:49:49.980
I think there's sort of pretty decent space sets.

767
00:49:50.039 --> 00:49:52.139
Hang on a minute, you know.

768
00:49:52.199 --> 00:49:53.940
Why is one of those doors a sliding door?

769
00:49:54.000 --> 00:49:55.920
One of them's got a door handle that they open.

770
00:49:55.980 --> 00:49:57.659
Ah, who knows?

771
00:49:57.659 --> 00:49:58.380
I can say.

772
00:49:58.440 --> 00:49:59.519
No consistency.

773
00:49:59.639 --> 00:50:03.420
Going back to what you were saying a minute ago about the contrasting societies.

774
00:50:03.480 --> 00:50:05.219
It's such a contrast, though.

775
00:50:05.280 --> 00:50:09.900
I think that's my issue. is the golf between the 2 societies.

776
00:50:09.960 --> 00:50:14.699
It's so, it's just too obvious, I think.

777
00:50:14.760 --> 00:50:23.099
But isn't it, it's like that episode of um, Lower Decks where it's the cubes versus the 2 years.

778
00:50:23.159 --> 00:50:24.599
Yep, that's a joke.

779
00:50:24.780 --> 00:50:28.199
Yeah, but that's a joke.

780
00:50:28.260 --> 00:50:36.659
It's making fun of that Star Trek thing where you have the 2 society setup just to make a kind of point about immigration.

781
00:50:36.719 --> 00:50:42.059
And so the societies take these implausible shapes precisely so he can...

782
00:50:42.059 --> 00:50:46.739
My point is, like, I was waiting for the episode to catch up because I'd figured it out.

783
00:50:46.739 --> 00:50:49.260
The 2nd those boring people turn up.

784
00:50:49.320 --> 00:50:52.079
That's right Well, that's because you've watched television.

785
00:50:52.079 --> 00:51:03.780
And I was going through all of this boring stuff with them being knocked unconscious and having their memories wiped and needles going in and I was like, I know where this is going and it isn't going to be clones of Pulaski.

786
00:51:03.840 --> 00:51:05.340
Yeah, yeah.

787
00:51:05.400 --> 00:51:06.599
But do you know what I mean?

788
00:51:06.659 --> 00:51:08.579
there's something happening Do you know what I mean?

789
00:51:08.639 --> 00:51:16.559
And there is, like, I think we have to have the shot of the big needle going into their stomachs in order to make it a physical violation that they get to object to.

790
00:51:16.619 --> 00:51:19.019
So later on when they get told they're assaulted.

791
00:51:19.079 --> 00:51:21.480
It's our gauge of quality in season two.

792
00:51:21.539 --> 00:51:23.639
At least something is happening.

793
00:51:23.699 --> 00:51:27.719
Yeah, well, yes, we did manhunt last time.

794
00:51:27.780 --> 00:51:30.539
Yeah, that's true.

795
00:51:30.599 --> 00:51:33.420
We'll take anything as long as it's something.

796
00:51:33.480 --> 00:51:36.059
But they make it a violation.

797
00:51:36.119 --> 00:51:42.119
I think it's really good and it does justify the 2 of them just saying, actually, we're just going down there and wiping those clones out.

798
00:51:42.179 --> 00:51:46.619
Those are ours and we have the right to say whether they're made from us or not.

799
00:51:46.679 --> 00:51:53.039
And they go down there without permission from the Mariposans without permission from Picard and they just do it and they have every right to.

800
00:51:53.099 --> 00:51:55.500
It's like they're unconscious.

801
00:51:55.559 --> 00:51:58.260
The needle, right, the talk about the memory loss.

802
00:51:58.320 --> 00:52:00.360
They find the clones, they kill the clones.

803
00:52:00.420 --> 00:52:02.039
It's just like, what the hell?

804
00:52:02.159 --> 00:52:03.900
That's a good thing.

805
00:52:03.960 --> 00:52:05.699
Well, yeah.

806
00:52:05.699 --> 00:52:07.800
You know, that's a good thing.

807
00:52:07.860 --> 00:52:10.139
Can we get back to chasing pigs now, please?

808
00:52:10.199 --> 00:52:11.340
Yeah.

809
00:52:12.840 --> 00:52:21.360
I mean, even the contrast in the design with these boring gray sets compared to the cargo bay full of life.

810
00:52:21.420 --> 00:52:23.159
The contrast are just so obvious.

811
00:52:23.219 --> 00:52:25.019
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

812
00:52:25.079 --> 00:52:25.980
But it's deliberate.

813
00:52:26.039 --> 00:52:27.239
Obviously, it's deliberate.

814
00:52:27.300 --> 00:52:28.440
It's right there from the beginning.

815
00:52:28.500 --> 00:52:34.500
It's like the Mariposa was a ship that had spinning wheels and supercomputers on board.

816
00:52:34.619 --> 00:52:36.719
Did they actually say the climax?

817
00:52:36.780 --> 00:52:37.619
I can't remember, you know.

818
00:52:37.679 --> 00:52:41.579
You know, I think, I think you can bring a bit of personality to our society.

819
00:52:41.639 --> 00:52:43.079
Do they actually make the point explicit?

820
00:52:43.139 --> 00:52:44.639
Yeah, oh yeah, absolutely.

821
00:52:44.699 --> 00:52:45.840
Of course they do.

822
00:52:45.840 --> 00:52:46.559
I don't know.

823
00:52:46.619 --> 00:52:48.780
They don't say that.

824
00:52:48.840 --> 00:52:50.579
But yes, of course, you know, it's very clear.

825
00:52:50.639 --> 00:52:58.619
And again, you know, this is still Star Trek working out, look, Star Trek always overexplains, doesn't it?

826
00:52:58.679 --> 00:53:00.420
Like just always over-explains.

827
00:53:00.539 --> 00:53:05.340
And it assumed that the audience is a bit dark.

828
00:53:05.400 --> 00:53:15.539
Yeah, but I mean, we had that in a, you know, like a Deep Space 9 episode last time. you know, where we had to have things explained to us even in a very, very good episode.

829
00:53:15.599 --> 00:53:17.400
Yeah, look, there's all 3 of them.

830
00:53:17.460 --> 00:53:19.980
All 3 of them behind the Prime Minister.

831
00:53:20.039 --> 00:53:23.219
All 3 of the weavers. as well.

832
00:53:23.280 --> 00:53:25.679
Oh, yeah.

833
00:53:25.739 --> 00:53:28.559
Oh, actually, one's a bit shorter.

834
00:53:28.619 --> 00:53:29.340
Oh dear.

835
00:53:32.159 --> 00:53:35.639
We're talking about the clones sort of going wrong, weren't they?

836
00:53:35.699 --> 00:53:37.980
So one can be a little bit shorter, I guess.

837
00:53:38.039 --> 00:53:39.360
Yeah, yeah.

838
00:53:39.420 --> 00:53:41.039
Replicative fading, it's called.

839
00:53:41.099 --> 00:53:43.920
Do we ever do clones again in Star Trek?

840
00:53:43.980 --> 00:53:46.019
I don't know actually.

841
00:53:46.079 --> 00:53:47.639
Yeah, I don't know.

842
00:53:48.000 --> 00:53:49.920
Isn't that funny?

843
00:53:50.039 --> 00:53:52.019
You would think it might be a thing that they do all the time.

844
00:53:52.079 --> 00:53:53.519
It doesn't become a thing.

845
00:53:53.579 --> 00:53:59.460
I guess, you know, we don't have genetic engineering and stuff in Star Trek.

846
00:53:59.519 --> 00:54:07.320
Like they just decide to make that a thing and that sticks for some reason and they use it as a story thing, even in strange new world.

847
00:54:07.500 --> 00:54:12.480
Yeah, this, we have the right to exercise control over our bodies.

848
00:54:12.480 --> 00:54:15.119
And then Pulanski says, yes, I agree.

849
00:54:15.179 --> 00:54:16.619
You won't get any argument from me.

850
00:54:16.679 --> 00:54:17.280
It's pretty good.

851
00:54:17.340 --> 00:54:19.079
Oh, here's true.

852
00:54:19.139 --> 00:54:21.000
I delivering a 5 lines of the episode.

853
00:54:21.059 --> 00:54:23.400
Thanks for turning up, Marina.

854
00:54:26.880 --> 00:54:28.320
Yes.

855
00:54:28.440 --> 00:54:35.519
So this is where we kind of say the Mariposans are basically doomed. 15 generation seems like a while, but like whatever.

856
00:54:35.579 --> 00:54:38.159
So what is their aversion to having sex?

857
00:54:38.219 --> 00:54:39.960
They just find it a bit repugnant.

858
00:54:40.019 --> 00:54:40.619
Is that what they say?

859
00:54:40.679 --> 00:54:41.820
It's a bit gross.

860
00:54:41.880 --> 00:54:51.119
No, they, again, for some reason, there's only 5 of them left, and they decide that they're not going to have sex anymore.

861
00:54:51.719 --> 00:54:58.019
Imagine all the clones, you know, Avenue, all the gene pole would be...

862
00:54:58.079 --> 00:55:02.039
Well, they, yeah, but I mean, the gene pool's a problem anyway, isn't it?

863
00:55:02.099 --> 00:55:06.000
Because they're just using the same genomes over and over again.

864
00:55:06.059 --> 00:55:10.380
They have 5 genomes that they keep copying into different people, you know, which is the problem.

865
00:55:10.440 --> 00:55:16.559
Only we had a load of beautiful ladies in the cargo bay waiting to be breaking men.

866
00:55:16.619 --> 00:55:18.059
Yeah, that's right.

867
00:55:18.840 --> 00:55:22.380
That's the conclusion we're drawing.

868
00:55:22.800 --> 00:55:24.659
Oh, Gene.

869
00:55:27.719 --> 00:55:33.179
I quite like this beard now where Danilo goes on about how many women he's going to have it off with.

870
00:55:33.239 --> 00:55:34.679
I was like, oh, boy.

871
00:55:38.039 --> 00:55:41.280
You're no prize yourself, and that's true.

872
00:55:41.340 --> 00:55:42.480
I think that's excellent.

873
00:55:42.539 --> 00:55:43.800
It's kind of like, shut up.

874
00:55:45.000 --> 00:55:48.539
I do like his objections, though, because he's so rude.

875
00:55:48.599 --> 00:55:52.380
He goes, it would take so long just to educate these people, you know.

876
00:55:52.440 --> 00:55:55.739
Yeah, but like he says, do you know what I mean?

877
00:55:55.800 --> 00:56:06.900
Like they've survived for 100s of years and they've farmed and they've, you know, they've managed to create a more successful society than the Mariposans have, you know, just because they don't have technology.

878
00:56:06.960 --> 00:56:11.760
They're not weirdos who never have sex and can't enjoy themselves in any way.

879
00:56:11.820 --> 00:56:12.780
Do you know what I mean?

880
00:56:12.900 --> 00:56:16.440
Like, the Bring Gloydia better than the Mariposans, I think.

881
00:56:16.500 --> 00:56:18.059
Occasionally, I like early Picard.

882
00:56:18.119 --> 00:56:20.760
Later on, he becomes a bit too much of a diplomat.

883
00:56:20.820 --> 00:56:25.079
He went there, I will not allow posturing and bigotry to ruin this media.

884
00:56:25.139 --> 00:56:25.860
Now sit out.

885
00:56:26.940 --> 00:56:27.900
Yeah, that's pretty cool.

886
00:56:27.960 --> 00:56:29.099
Oh, and then you get fine.

887
00:56:29.099 --> 00:56:30.000
Destroy yourself.

888
00:56:30.059 --> 00:56:30.539
Fine.

889
00:56:30.539 --> 00:56:31.860
Fine.

890
00:56:32.699 --> 00:56:35.280
I meant for Pulasti.

891
00:56:35.340 --> 00:56:39.840
We'll just move in in 50 years time, they'll all be dead and we'll just move into their cities.

892
00:56:40.320 --> 00:56:44.039
They're quiet, you might make the pair of reminisce, man.

893
00:56:44.099 --> 00:56:45.119
Pretty good.

894
00:56:45.179 --> 00:56:48.480
You'll see, Sus Picard, the end's closer than you think.

895
00:56:48.539 --> 00:56:49.860
Yeah.

896
00:56:49.920 --> 00:56:54.059
And because, of course, their planet's uninhabitable, isn't it?

897
00:56:54.119 --> 00:56:55.800
The ringloidy have to move.

898
00:56:55.860 --> 00:56:57.659
Like they have to go somewhere.

899
00:56:57.719 --> 00:56:59.760
And this, we're decent hard-working people.

900
00:56:59.820 --> 00:57:02.579
We're willing to learn. at least not stupid. lovely.

901
00:57:02.639 --> 00:57:03.300
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

902
00:57:03.360 --> 00:57:04.079
Although we do.

903
00:57:04.139 --> 00:57:10.500
I mean, the very idea, Nathan, that the greatest horror that these people can imagine is a group of Irish immigrants moving in.

904
00:57:10.559 --> 00:57:14.699
I mean, Yeah, they're super racist.

905
00:57:14.760 --> 00:57:17.099
They're really bad racist, aren't they?

906
00:57:17.159 --> 00:57:20.880
I mean, that is a prevalent opinion, you know, in England, sometimes.

907
00:57:21.239 --> 00:57:25.139
Oh, no, it has been absolutely for decades, it has.

908
00:57:25.199 --> 00:57:27.300
You know, like it's a long-standing thing.

909
00:57:27.360 --> 00:57:38.519
And maybe, maybe having real immigrants instead of, you know, like made up immigrants, like real recognisable, I mean, oh, far too recognisable immigrants, maybe that's better.

910
00:57:38.579 --> 00:57:39.119
I don't know.

911
00:57:39.179 --> 00:57:42.599
Nocamus marriage won't be possible for several generations.

912
00:57:43.559 --> 00:57:45.360
What will we do?

913
00:57:45.480 --> 00:57:52.860
It would be best if each woman, 0 God, has at least 3 children with 3 different men.

914
00:57:52.920 --> 00:57:54.599
Oh boy.

915
00:57:57.000 --> 00:58:01.019
But this is this is horny Star Trek, isn't it?

916
00:58:02.400 --> 00:58:10.860
Look, Riker, Picard is giving a little smile there at the prospect. around the table going, should I what?

917
00:58:10.920 --> 00:58:12.900
I think I might go down to this planet, actually.

918
00:58:13.199 --> 00:58:15.179
Oh, come on holiday.

919
00:58:15.300 --> 00:58:17.400
I could be one of the men.

920
00:58:17.760 --> 00:58:19.679
Oh, boy.

921
00:58:19.679 --> 00:58:22.320
I've got to have sex with all of the Goldman ladies.

922
00:58:22.380 --> 00:58:25.739
Why do people spit on their hands before they shake them?

923
00:58:25.800 --> 00:58:27.059
I just don't understand.

924
00:58:27.119 --> 00:58:27.900
Yeah.

925
00:58:28.559 --> 00:58:31.079
I'm up to stake out my free women.

926
00:58:31.260 --> 00:58:36.780
And then send in the clones, he says, which is the original title of the episode.

927
00:58:36.840 --> 00:58:39.059
So he gets the original title of the episode.

928
00:58:39.119 --> 00:58:44.880
And in fact, it's still called sending the clones when the scripts are printed and distributed.

929
00:58:44.940 --> 00:58:45.840
So it's a late change.

930
00:58:45.900 --> 00:58:48.239
I think I would have called just send in the clones, you know.

931
00:58:48.780 --> 00:58:54.360
Yeah, it's a bit of a sort of ridiculous kind of gag though, isn't it?

932
00:58:54.420 --> 00:58:57.239
Look at the lady's plumping up the cushions.

933
00:58:57.300 --> 00:58:58.860
Well, I guess we're off to the planet.

934
00:58:59.579 --> 00:59:01.500
This is really cute.

935
00:59:01.559 --> 00:59:03.119
Like, it's a pregnant woman.

936
00:59:03.179 --> 00:59:04.739
I really like it's a pregnant woman.

937
00:59:04.800 --> 00:59:09.420
He reaches out to touch her, but then decides not to because don't touch pregnant women without their permission.

938
00:59:09.480 --> 00:59:19.139
But he's super interested because he's never seen a pregnant woman before a pregnancy before because there hasn't been one on his planet for 100s of years.

939
00:59:19.199 --> 00:59:22.199
And I would have loved...

940
00:59:22.199 --> 00:59:25.679
Lower decks to a show knows how this, you know, what happened after.

941
00:59:25.920 --> 00:59:28.500
I reckon they had a great time.

942
00:59:28.559 --> 00:59:34.559
I reckon that these guys learned to loosen up. because they realised, holy shit, why did we not have sex for centuries?

943
00:59:34.559 --> 00:59:36.059
Why did we not have whiskey?

944
00:59:36.119 --> 00:59:38.099
They're like, all drunk, we're in a week.

945
00:59:38.579 --> 00:59:40.079
Yeah.

946
00:59:42.059 --> 00:59:43.800
She's so great.

947
00:59:43.860 --> 00:59:47.940
She comes in and goes, why did you never stop to consider the women, Captain Picard?

948
00:59:48.000 --> 00:59:49.800
Actually, that's...

949
00:59:49.860 --> 00:59:52.679
She could be talking about the Star Trek writers there, couldn't she?

950
00:59:54.900 --> 00:59:58.260
But like...

951
00:59:58.320 --> 01:00:01.139
Oh, I didn't want to be if I want to be Eve.

952
01:00:01.199 --> 01:00:01.739
Come on.

953
01:00:02.039 --> 01:00:05.940
That's odd, isn't it, for Star Trek as well?

954
01:00:06.000 --> 01:00:09.059
Or just the religious anything?

955
01:00:09.119 --> 01:00:10.440
Yeah, just a religious reference.

956
01:00:10.500 --> 01:00:11.340
Yeah, that's right.

957
01:00:11.880 --> 01:00:20.699
And this, like, I love how he persuades her, and she accepts it, and then she learns, of course, that she gets to have sex.

958
01:00:20.760 --> 01:00:23.219
She gets to have 3 men, 3 men at her beck and call.

959
01:00:23.280 --> 01:00:26.039
But she's got to choose the men of status, of course.

960
01:00:26.099 --> 01:00:29.460
And she's also been shown to be responsible.

961
01:00:29.519 --> 01:00:30.360
Do you know what I mean?

962
01:00:30.420 --> 01:00:33.179
She's not just hectoring the men because she's a scold.

963
01:00:33.239 --> 01:00:42.780
She's hectoring the men because all of the responsibility for looking after and fostering this colony has just fallen on her and the women because the men are kind of losers.

964
01:00:42.900 --> 01:00:44.639
Well, say euphemism?

965
01:00:44.699 --> 01:00:46.500
He might have 2 coins to rub together.

966
01:00:46.559 --> 01:00:50.519
Uh, no, I think I think that just means he's going to be wealthy.

967
01:00:50.579 --> 01:01:02.099
You know, we were trying to snag Picard as a husband as the owner of this ship as husband for Brenna earlier, and now she's going to have the Prime Minister, and...

968
01:01:02.099 --> 01:01:05.760
Sweetly just sort of skipped up to him, then, the Prime Minister.

969
01:01:05.820 --> 01:01:09.480
Oh, she outclasses him so much.

970
01:01:09.539 --> 01:01:12.360
He absolutely doesn't deserve her.

971
01:01:12.420 --> 01:01:14.639
She's in the middle of his legs.

972
01:01:14.699 --> 01:01:16.559
You don't have to be charming off. absolutely.

973
01:01:16.619 --> 01:01:18.300
Yeah, yeah, you are beautiful.

974
01:01:18.360 --> 01:01:22.860
Um, yeah, what a strange episode.

975
01:01:22.920 --> 01:01:24.059
That is.

976
01:01:24.119 --> 01:01:29.039
Like, like, kind of strange, but like, I really enjoy talking about that.

977
01:01:29.099 --> 01:01:32.579
I don't think it's the atrocity that everyone says it is.

978
01:01:32.639 --> 01:01:33.599
I really don't.

979
01:01:33.659 --> 01:01:34.500
It's early.

980
01:01:34.559 --> 01:01:42.239
It fails in all sorts of ways, but it's trying to do something Star Trek-y and absolutely succeeding at it.

981
01:01:42.300 --> 01:01:45.480
It's just a little bit embarrassing.

982
01:01:45.539 --> 01:01:51.000
And I think maybe that's what we can't forgive. be redefining a little bit in places.

983
01:01:51.059 --> 01:01:52.500
Maybe.

984
01:01:52.559 --> 01:01:54.059
Maybe it's quite embarrassing.

985
01:01:54.119 --> 01:01:56.760
But the embarrassment isn't everywhere.

986
01:01:56.820 --> 01:01:58.199
And it is early Star Trek.

987
01:01:58.260 --> 01:02:05.099
I mean, early Star Trek, these 1st 2 seasons are pretty rough, I think, but I think this is a pretty lively one.

988
01:02:05.159 --> 01:02:10.440
I appreciate that Melinda Snodgross went in with a very worthy message.

989
01:02:11.519 --> 01:02:14.159
And yeah, I think you're right.

990
01:02:14.219 --> 01:02:16.679
It's not her fault that what hits the screen.

991
01:02:16.739 --> 01:02:34.559
And I think it's a mixture of um, Maurice Hurley's rewrites and, you know, pushing pushing the Irish stuff and Rick Colby's inability to drive any subtlety in some of those scenes in the cargo bay um, that sort of pushes the stereotypes over the edge.

992
01:02:35.460 --> 01:02:43.260
But that message is a positive one, and let's be honest, not a lot of season one or two.

993
01:02:43.320 --> 01:02:48.599
Well, I mean, if they've got messages, they're sort of blatant, aren't they?

994
01:02:48.659 --> 01:02:49.739
and embarrassing.

995
01:02:50.099 --> 01:02:53.460
For once, this has good intentions.

996
01:02:53.940 --> 01:02:59.159
Yeah, no, there's 2 progressive messages in here, which I think are pretty good.

997
01:02:59.219 --> 01:03:04.380
And I don't think that it's anything like the worst episode of series 2.

998
01:03:04.619 --> 01:03:09.539
Like, and that's a pretty faint praise, but I think there are plenty of people who think it is.

999
01:03:09.599 --> 01:03:11.639
And when we rolled it, do you know what I mean?

1000
01:03:11.699 --> 01:03:14.460
Like we rolled it and you said, oh, it's not up the long ladder, is it?

1001
01:03:14.519 --> 01:03:15.659
And I said, yes, it was.

1002
01:03:15.719 --> 01:03:20.519
And it's kind of like, because that's like, you know, the worst one we can imagine.

1003
01:03:20.579 --> 01:03:29.280
Remember back in the day when we'd try and roll a Voyager and I would always say, it's going to be threshold, it's going to be threshold, and that is generally... came eventually, didn't it?

1004
01:03:29.340 --> 01:03:29.940
That's right.

1005
01:03:30.000 --> 01:03:33.179
And a much worse episode than this, let's say.

1006
01:03:33.239 --> 01:03:36.719
But this is by no means the worst episode of the season.

1007
01:03:36.780 --> 01:03:37.500
It's lively.

1008
01:03:37.559 --> 01:03:38.699
It's intending to do something.

1009
01:03:38.760 --> 01:03:49.019
It stumbles in the way that this early Star Trek always stumbles and it's a bit embarrassing in places, but like it's pretty functional, I think.

1010
01:03:49.079 --> 01:03:51.179
I don't think it's as terrible as everyone says.

1011
01:03:51.239 --> 01:03:52.739
They're getting there.

1012
01:03:52.800 --> 01:03:54.719
They're not there yet.

1013
01:03:54.780 --> 01:04:02.039
They're on much better episodes immediately before this and after Manhunt immediately after this.

1014
01:04:02.760 --> 01:04:08.099
So the show is coming along and it is just about to flourish.

1015
01:04:08.159 --> 01:04:10.320
But just for the Pulaski stuff alone.

1016
01:04:10.380 --> 01:04:13.019
I thought this was well worth a watch.

1017
01:04:13.079 --> 01:04:14.219
Yeah.

1018
01:04:14.280 --> 01:04:17.400
And I think I think too, there's something about season two.

1019
01:04:17.460 --> 01:04:27.780
This is our 2nd season 2 episode that we've done of Star Trek, the Next Generation, and season 2 is different from season one and different from seasons 3 to 7.

1020
01:04:27.840 --> 01:04:31.139
And it's different in an interesting way sometimes.

1021
01:04:31.199 --> 01:04:33.780
Manhunt had basically nothing going for it.

1022
01:04:33.840 --> 01:04:40.019
But these structures are story in a way that would never, ever fly in the later seasons of Star Trek.

1023
01:04:40.079 --> 01:04:45.539
And it was interesting to just see that and think about why they were structuring it like that.

1024
01:04:45.599 --> 01:04:55.019
And just, just for the fact that we've sat through so many hideous, chaste, just unsexy romances.

1025
01:04:55.079 --> 01:05:01.559
The fact that they managed to pull off one scene where you and I were getting a bit hot under the collar in 90s track.

1026
01:05:01.619 --> 01:05:03.480
Bravo up the long ladder.

1027
01:05:09.780 --> 01:05:23.159
All right, it's the end of the episode, and after this triumphant success, it's time for us to pick another almost certainly worse episode of Star Trek.

1028
01:05:23.219 --> 01:05:29.460
And to that end, I've handed the randomiser over to Joe, what series are we going to be choosing from?

1029
01:05:29.579 --> 01:05:31.199
Fingers crossed.

1030
01:05:31.260 --> 01:05:33.960
It's less culturally insensitive, but let's find out.

1031
01:05:34.019 --> 01:05:35.340
Let's find out.

1032
01:05:35.400 --> 01:05:40.320
Well, I mean, we've been sort of series specific for quite some time now.

1033
01:05:40.380 --> 01:05:45.420
I haven't done my delightful all the franchise except the movies, of course.

1034
01:05:45.480 --> 01:05:48.000
So let's give it a go, shall we?

1035
01:05:48.059 --> 01:05:49.980
Oh, okay, that's exciting.

1036
01:05:50.219 --> 01:05:51.900
Okay.

1037
01:05:51.960 --> 01:05:58.199
Your random Star Trek Voyager episode is season five, episode one night.

1038
01:05:58.440 --> 01:06:00.300
Ooh.

1039
01:06:00.360 --> 01:06:02.940
I don't think that's a very good episode, is it?

1040
01:06:03.000 --> 01:06:12.000
It's the one where Janeway suddenly remembers the premise of the show and she's responsible for bringing them into the Delta Quadrant 5 years into the show.

1041
01:06:12.539 --> 01:06:15.780
Yeah, it's kind of like resetting.

1042
01:06:15.840 --> 01:06:22.139
It's like a series 2 episode one because we kind of retool the show at the beginning of series 4 by introducing 7.

1043
01:06:22.199 --> 01:06:26.219
And so we resolve the 7 plot in hope and fear, I think.

1044
01:06:26.280 --> 01:06:29.579
And then we're now trying to find something else to do.

1045
01:06:29.639 --> 01:06:36.300
I always think that it's better than I end up finding it is my experience.

1046
01:06:36.420 --> 01:06:41.820
I mean, I love the idea that they're in that regional space with no styles and everyone's getting a bit stir crazy.

1047
01:06:41.880 --> 01:06:45.179
I just I like it when Voyager goes to sort of unusual places.

1048
01:06:45.239 --> 01:06:50.400
But it is a conclusion that Jane Roy perhaps should have reached halfway through season one.

1049
01:06:50.460 --> 01:06:52.619
Yeah, to be late.

1050
01:06:52.679 --> 01:06:54.119
Let's go for something else shall we?

1051
01:06:54.179 --> 01:06:54.840
Okay.

1052
01:06:54.960 --> 01:06:57.119
Oh, Voyager again.

1053
01:06:57.179 --> 01:06:58.800
No, we ain't doing this one.

1054
01:06:58.860 --> 01:06:59.340
I'm sorry.

1055
01:06:59.400 --> 01:07:02.280
We skipped it a couple of weeks ago and we're skipping it now.

1056
01:07:02.340 --> 01:07:07.079
Season 5 again, episode five, once upon time.

1057
01:07:07.139 --> 01:07:09.960
The Adventures of Naomi Wildman and Neelix.

1058
01:07:10.079 --> 01:07:11.880
No, Nick.

1059
01:07:11.940 --> 01:07:13.619
Yeah, maybe not.

1060
01:07:13.679 --> 01:07:16.260
Some other time. keep going again.

1061
01:07:16.320 --> 01:07:18.239
Okay, what's this?

1062
01:07:18.300 --> 01:07:27.420
Your random Star Trek Deep Space 9 episode is season 3, episode 24, Shakar.

1063
01:07:27.480 --> 01:07:34.019
So I think that's the one where he 1st comes along, Bajoran politics, Kai Wynn, sort of declaring war on him.

1064
01:07:34.079 --> 01:07:35.159
Nah, let's keep going.

1065
01:07:35.219 --> 01:07:36.179
I don't know.

1066
01:07:36.179 --> 01:07:37.320
He's so boring.

1067
01:07:37.800 --> 01:07:45.300
Oh, oh, oh, oh, it would be another TNG again, though, and it is a...

1068
01:07:45.300 --> 01:07:46.739
It is a two-parter.

1069
01:07:46.860 --> 01:07:51.780
Oh, I'm probably up for a two-parter, I think.

1070
01:07:51.840 --> 01:07:59.519
Your round of Star Trek, the next generation episode is season four, episode one, the best of both worlds, part two.

1071
01:07:59.639 --> 01:08:03.840
So we would do both best of both worlds. one and part two.

1072
01:08:03.900 --> 01:08:04.380
Yeah.

1073
01:08:04.440 --> 01:08:04.980
Yeah.

1074
01:08:05.039 --> 01:08:08.579
Well, I think so soon after doing hegemony as well.

1075
01:08:08.639 --> 01:08:11.820
That's kind of super interesting. would be interesting.

1076
01:08:11.880 --> 01:08:12.840
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1077
01:08:12.900 --> 01:08:17.340
And I think. you know, obviously there are wonderful things to say about the best of both whales.

1078
01:08:17.399 --> 01:08:21.600
But I think there are some criticisms to level towards the end as well.

1079
01:08:21.899 --> 01:08:24.300
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1080
01:08:24.359 --> 01:08:29.880
I think it is pretty amazing and it's a huge moment, I think, in television history of the 1980s.

1081
01:08:29.939 --> 01:08:33.479
Like it's a pretty significant thing that they decide to do.

1082
01:08:33.539 --> 01:08:35.760
And I remember watching it at the time.

1083
01:08:35.760 --> 01:08:42.659
It was the longest summer I can ever remember. for the 2nd episode. amazing, isn't it?

1084
01:08:42.720 --> 01:08:43.140
Yeah.

1085
01:08:43.199 --> 01:08:52.859
I mean, I think I think they hunted for that moment again and again in 90s trek and maybe they only came close once or twice.

1086
01:08:53.159 --> 01:08:54.840
Scorpion?

1087
01:08:54.899 --> 01:08:58.800
Yeah, I think the end of call to arms.

1088
01:08:58.800 --> 01:08:59.699
That's quite a good job.

1089
01:08:59.760 --> 01:09:01.260
You know, that promised of a big fight.

1090
01:09:01.319 --> 01:09:05.699
Or do you remember the Dominion pouring out of the wormhole in that 2 parter?

1091
01:09:05.760 --> 01:09:08.760
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1092
01:09:08.819 --> 01:09:13.319
But again, like the season finale thing isn't something that Deep Space 9 ends up doing.

1093
01:09:13.380 --> 01:09:15.539
It deliberately shies away from it.

1094
01:09:15.600 --> 01:09:23.880
And what it tends to do is introduce a massive development in the final episode, which we then come back to see how that plays out.

1095
01:09:23.939 --> 01:09:26.939
So it's not quite too parters, is it?

1096
01:09:27.000 --> 01:09:29.220
I can't remember a better.

1097
01:09:29.699 --> 01:09:34.560
I mean, I was young, but I can't remember a better how the fuck are they going to get out of this?

1098
01:09:34.619 --> 01:09:37.140
Because Picard was on that ship?

1099
01:09:37.199 --> 01:09:42.840
And it was either kill Picard or the ship goes to earth and we're all dead.

1100
01:09:42.899 --> 01:09:44.460
And as a child.

1101
01:09:44.520 --> 01:09:46.920
I was just like, I couldn't think of a way out of it.

1102
01:09:46.979 --> 01:09:51.000
Unfortunately, the ultimate explanation is terrible.

1103
01:09:51.060 --> 01:09:54.119
It's so... very boring.

1104
01:09:54.180 --> 01:09:57.180
But for the summer, I was really thinking about it.

1105
01:09:57.239 --> 01:09:57.899
Yeah, yeah.

1106
01:09:57.960 --> 01:09:58.800
No, huge.

1107
01:09:58.859 --> 01:10:05.520
An absolutely huge moment, which is why I think Strangely Worlds went back there at the end of series 2 in the beginning of series three.

1108
01:10:05.579 --> 01:10:09.840
The irony would be if we enjoy it less than up the long ladder.

1109
01:10:10.859 --> 01:10:25.020
I'll see what I can do We've been listening to Untitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford and Nathan Bottomley.

1110
01:10:25.079 --> 01:10:31.439
We're online at Untitled Star Trek project.com, where you can find subscription links and links to our social media accounts.

1111
01:10:31.439 --> 01:10:36.720
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Ciceran, and the theme was composed by Cameron Lamb.

1112
01:10:36.840 --> 01:10:43.260
This episode was recorded on the 25th of November 2025 and released on the 28th of November.

1113
01:10:43.319 --> 01:10:49.500
We'll see you next time for Star Trek the Next Generation, the best of both worlds, and the best of both worlds, part two.

1114
01:11:04.560 --> 01:11:06.600
That was fun.

1115
01:11:06.659 --> 01:11:07.260
Oh, that was great.

1116
01:11:08.279 --> 01:11:09.300
It was really good.

1117
01:11:09.300 --> 01:11:10.319
It was really good.

1118
01:11:10.380 --> 01:11:12.420
What does jamma give it?

1119
01:11:12.479 --> 01:11:15.000
I didn't even like...

1120
01:11:15.060 --> 01:11:16.140
I dread to think.

1121
01:11:16.199 --> 01:11:17.520
I'm gonna check.

1122
01:11:19.020 --> 01:11:21.840
I always like seeing what would have come next.

1123
01:11:22.199 --> 01:11:26.340
I bet he gives it a...

1124
01:11:28.079 --> 01:11:32.100
Oh, no, I should have gone one more fuck.

1125
01:11:32.279 --> 01:11:33.960
What did you get?

1126
01:11:34.020 --> 01:11:35.399
Oh, could have been anything.

1127
01:11:35.460 --> 01:11:37.319
I got emissary.

1128
01:11:37.380 --> 01:11:41.579
Oh, I would love for us to have done one day, one day.

1129
01:11:42.420 --> 01:11:48.720
We haven't actually done that many 2 parts, you know, given... gives it one.

1130
01:11:48.779 --> 01:11:50.340
5 5 . one.

1131
01:11:50.460 --> 01:11:50.819
5 .

1132
01:11:50.880 --> 01:11:52.439
I'd probably give it a bim.

1133
01:11:54.119 --> 01:11:57.359
Yeah, I thought he would give it a bam.

1134
01:11:57.420 --> 01:12:03.180
The solution proposed to the end is hammered together as an exercise inconvenient TNG ultra simplicity.

1135
01:12:03.479 --> 01:12:11.579
But, like, it's that sort of thing, but, like he says, oh, it must be solved using the available variables at hand.

1136
01:12:11.640 --> 01:12:14.100
But she didn't make up the stories that went along.

1137
01:12:14.159 --> 01:12:21.779
Like she knew where we were going and so she created the available variables to hand in order for that to be a solution to the problem.

1138
01:12:21.840 --> 01:12:22.619
Do you know what I mean?

1139
01:12:22.680 --> 01:12:27.300
Like it's a bad bit of criticism because it's kind of like, oh, how are we going to solve this problem?

1140
01:12:27.359 --> 01:12:28.199
Oh, that's right.

1141
01:12:28.260 --> 01:12:30.180
We've got some Irish people in the thing?

1142
01:12:30.239 --> 01:12:31.140
Do you know what I mean?

1143
01:12:31.199 --> 01:12:32.640
Like, that's not how this works.

1144
01:12:32.699 --> 01:12:35.220
Oh, I did in the episode, didn't I?

1145
01:12:35.279 --> 01:12:36.720
just waiting for the characters to catch up.

1146
01:12:36.779 --> 01:12:38.100
She's reached a conclusion.

1147
01:12:38.159 --> 01:12:39.779
It's just not there.

1148
01:12:39.840 --> 01:12:41.279
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1149
01:12:41.340 --> 01:12:43.140
Yeah, no, that's no good.

1150
01:12:43.199 --> 01:12:44.159
Bad Gemma.

1151
01:12:44.220 --> 01:12:46.560
But he doesn't like fun, does he?

1152
01:12:46.619 --> 01:12:47.100
remember that.

1153
01:12:47.159 --> 01:12:48.539
You know, he hates Rome.

1154
01:12:48.600 --> 01:12:49.500
Rum, for God's sakes.

1155
01:12:49.560 --> 01:12:50.279
Who hates rum?

1156
01:12:50.340 --> 01:12:52.319
Yeah, that's absurd.

1157
01:12:52.380 --> 01:12:53.279
That's just ridiculous.

1158
01:12:53.279 --> 01:12:54.539
He does hate fun.

1159
01:12:54.600 --> 01:12:55.500
He hates litres.

1160
01:12:55.560 --> 01:12:56.399
No, I know.

1161
01:12:56.460 --> 01:12:58.319
Madness. that's terrible