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Hey, Joe. Top of the morning to you.

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Oh, my God.

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Um...

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I don't often go off piece.

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So, as you are no doubt able to tell listener at home, we are

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about to do Star Trek The Next Generation season two, episode 18

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up the long ladder, which was 1st broadcast on the 22nd of May

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1989, directed by Rick Colby and written by Melinda M. Snodgrass.

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And before we talk about what we felt about this episode, I want

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to say that she was the story editor for series 2 from the Measure

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of a Man onwards, and then later on up until Menager Troy, in

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series 3, she was executive script consultant, she wrote the

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Measure of a Man.

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She wrote the teleplay for pen pals.

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She wrote The Ensigns of Command, and she wrote The High Ground.

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So none of them are hugely great, with the exception, I think, of

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the measure of a man, which is absolutely superb.

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But she is a competent scriptwriter, and I have to say that this

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is the sort of script that you might have come out within the 1st

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couple of seasons of Star Trek, the Next Generation, before it

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finds its feet, while it's still trying to do Star Trek things.

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It's a very Star Trek premise.

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But, of course, the thing that really is the only thing that

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anyone can remember is the horrific Irish stereotypes.

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Oh, mean, you can certainly remember it.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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It's really funny So the, um, so I think we said this at the end

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of last week's episode, that Cole Meaney reacted so badly to the

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Irish stereotypes that when they tried to do it to him again in

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series one of Deep Space Nine.

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He said, the leprechaun goes, or I do, I think. trying to pull off

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this shit.

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All right.

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I'm just here.

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Yeah, yeah, okay.

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And that's why we have Rumpel Stiltskin in if wishes were horses

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rather than a leprechaun.

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Oh, favourite molly line of all.

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Absolutely, absolutely.

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So they're terrible and they're not terrible actors, though, I

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have to say.

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And one of the things that we discovered is those of you who are

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Star Trek fans, but not Doctor Who fans, won't really get the

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significance of this, but there was a story in Doctor Who in 1966

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called The Mythmakers set, you know, at the end of the Trojan War

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and the guy who plays Danilo Odell, Barry Ingham played Paris in

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the Mythmakers, and he's really funny in that.

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He's one of the highlights of the myth makers.

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Sadly, the myth makers no longer exists.

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All we have is the soundtrack.

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We don't have any of the visuals at all.

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He's also in the Doctor Who and the Daleks movie, as Alanor.

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Wonderful eye makeup in that.

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I mean, basic makeup. icon.

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Yeah.

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He's also the great mouse detective as well.

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So he did have a career.

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All of that, Nathan, piles into significance compared to Danilo of

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Up the Long Ladder and his cross-eyed comedy as he drinks down

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malt whiskey.

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Yeah, it's pretty terrible.

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And it just kind of fearfully embarrassing.

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And Melinda Snodgrass, the rider lays it at the feet of Morris

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Early, who is himself Irish, when she was trying to explain the

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premise of the story, like what it was trying to say, a really

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properly good premise, that isn't completely erased, I think, by

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the presence of the Irish stereotypes.

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I think it is still there.

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But she says, oh, I want you to imagine them as a kind of village

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of Irish tinkers.

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And Hurley just goes, oh, no, make them that.

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Do you know what I mean?

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Make them Irish.

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And so it's his idea to have these sort of Irish stereotypes and

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they're really, really lamentably bad, aren't they?

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I mean, maybe this is his own personal experience of the Irish, you

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know, if he's commenting. added this characterisation.

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I mean, the 2nd the idea of immigrants coming along and then

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adding some colour and energy and personality to a very boring

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planet.

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That's a great idea.

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That's a and a really positive premise.

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But the 2nd we hit the planet, which doesn't happen until about

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halfway through the episode is so odd.

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It's like one story ends, and then another story begins, and then

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at the end the 2 stories come together.

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It's really, they're both so half baked because they're both half

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an episode.

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It's really strange.

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Anyway, the planet is so boring. and colourless and gray and

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they're so outrageously full of personality.

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You just know, like, it's just the premise is there, but it's so

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obvious.

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I was like, Leo going, come on, everyone else catch up.

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Where are we going to find this new DNA and personality for our

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planet?

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Oh, there they are in the cargo bay chasing a pig.

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You know, it's just so laboured.

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And this is precisely them, you know, finding their feed, but it

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is at least trying to do something like trying to say something.

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Yeah, unlike man hum, which said nothing at all.

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Old women are sexually voracious, something like that.

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Yeah.

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I mean, we said that manhunt's main purpose was just still...

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Well, essentially, to keep things happening until the closing

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credits rolled, to kind of fill in time.

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I don't know if it achieve that, really, did it?

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Yeah.

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But this is structured very weirdly, like you said.

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And there's a sort of C plot, which is the odd plot between Wharf

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and Pulaski, which is sort of a gramble.

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Like, it's not terrible.

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She goes, yeah, come on, now, read me some of that sex poetry

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wharf.

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It's very strange.

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We're doing a romance between Wolf and Blaski.

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Yeah, yeah, that goes nowhere.

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It does look like it's it's...

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I would have been there for it, Nathan.

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All right?

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Yeah, yeah.

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I think she's terrific.

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I think she is really great We didn't really talk about her last

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time, and this is only the 2nd episode of hers that we've ever

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talked about.

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She's really an in Manhunt.

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Do you remember?

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She didn't feature.

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She wasn't in a single scene in Manhub.

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So it's no time...

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So this is our 1st time.

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And so I suppose it's appropriate that we have this conversation.

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Now, I think Diana Moldi is a better actress than Gates McFadden.

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Now I don't think she's as agreeable and and she certainly hasn't

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got the same sort of chemistry that Gates has with the rest of the

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actors and that does count for something.

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But she is a better actress.

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And, and, oh, she's really wooden.

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I think she's quite charming within that prickly demeanour that

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she plays.

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I think that she loses points with people for being mean to data

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in an early episode and never recovers from that.

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She's kind of mean to everyone in those early episodes.

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But again, we need a bit of that on the ship.

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She's super charming here.

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I just think she's magnificent and she's got a beautiful smile.

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She's just tremendous.

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It's nice to have someone sort of slightly older as a regular as

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well.

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I think she's really good. as well.

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Did you notice when she goes down to the planet and she's admirer

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in that bit of art?

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But she's sort of secretly scanning the people at the same time

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you know?

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Yeah, just great.

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And that plot.

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I mean, that weird C plot, which ends really early, and it just

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seems to be there to give colour or give character moments.

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But so you've got these 3 plots that are all kind of happening at

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these odd rates and that don't seem to have anything to do with

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one another.

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And then 2 of them come together at the end and the other one just

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kind of finishes.

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And like they give the end of the teaser to the wharf Pulaski plot

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even though it's the least important one.

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They just haven't worked out how to structure an episode of Star

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Trek.

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And I think the effect of that is that in series 2, you get a kind

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of feel for life on the ship because the events that happen don't

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really have anything in common apart from they're all happening on

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board the Enterprise at the same time.

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And so you get a sense of what life is like on board the

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Enterprise.

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And I remember that at the time, and I don't think it's done very

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well, and it turns out that it's not particularly interesting

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anyway, but it is something that the show kind of abandons, and

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that in future, all of the scenes in an episode will be working

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towards the same end, and that's better, I think.

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Yes, I agree.

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I did wonder that the war staff at the start.

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When I read about this whole, you know, how immigrants can bring

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some colour to your life.

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I wondered if that was leaning into that as well, that that tea

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ceremony and that maybe that was originally there and threaded

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through and then just got lost in translation with the Hurley

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rewrite.

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I wondered if that was what they were going for there.

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Otherwise, it is just there for a bit of colour, which is very

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strong, or maybe they're 10 minutes short with the 2 plots that

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they have, so they need to add another one just to fill the

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space.

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Who knows?

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It's a weird mix, but I will say this as well.

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I did think there were some charming character moments not in the

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clone plot.

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That is the most generic type of science fiction that bores me

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senseless, but within the mad Irish stereotypes.

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I really like, what's the woman's name?

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So Brenna is the character?

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And I did like her interaction with Riker, even though, I mean, I

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don't really want to think about all that foot washing that they

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keep going on about, but, you know, all of the, you know, don't

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you like girls, commando?

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We're just that horny Star Trek that we identified before that

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goes away, kind of.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah.

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But that kind of goes away under Berman, I think.

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You know, horny Star Trek is a very rod and briefing, but he's

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still around and, you know, has a lot to do with how the show is

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turning out.

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And so that's definitely there.

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And the bit at the end, of course, where all of the women are

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going to have 3 husbands for kind of genetic reasons and we're all

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excited about that at the end as well.

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And so that's the sort of thing where, you know, in the future

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there won't be gay people, but we will have sort of different and

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more open sexual morality is definitely a thing.

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And that's kind of fun.

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I mean, you know why not?

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I'm pleased they take away the sleeves because we've had some icky

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moments when we've done one and two.

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But then it becomes very sort of generic TV romances after that

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and they're just very boring to watch.

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I mean, there was one wonderful moment where Brenner reminded me

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so much of my mother at a family gathering where she came in

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shouted at her dad and then said to whoever it was, no one got

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anything to do, I can give you a job to do.

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If you haven't got anything to do.

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I was like, bloody hell.

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I do like a strong woman in Star Trek, you know?

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Yeah, she's awesome. beautiful as well.

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That could have been a really embarrassing performance, but I

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think she holds her own actually.

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Barry on the other hand.

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Oh, Barry, we will get there.

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All right.

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It's pretty terrible.

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But it is like there's fun to be had and he's pitching it at a

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certain level and you have to say that that level isn't

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inappropriate for Star Trek, at least as it's understood in 1989.

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So you can kind of see what's going on here, I think, you know.

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Now you've seen Bo before we press play.

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Which do you think was more offensive then, the sort of the

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immigrant Irish people or planet of the Scots?

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Which do you think was the sort of the more humiliating?

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Well, I think that what's weird is we're doing Planet of the

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Scottish people in our last season.

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Yes, we should.

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We should know better by that.

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Yeah, but I think we have established at this point there's Planet

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of the Irish people, so why can't there be Planet of the Scottish

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people and it leans into stereotypes a little bit less.

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I mean, it's a kind of Gothic romance set in the, you know, hills

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of Scotland or something.

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You can kind of see why they're doing it.

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Studios of Scotland, yeah.

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Yeah, it is kind of terrible.

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I mean, I mean, at times.

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What is it?

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Don't light that candle, Beverly Crusher.

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No good old cover bit.

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It is, that's right.

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Yeah.

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This, I think, part of the problem with this, I think, and in

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perhaps in Snodgrass's original treatment as well, before they did

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definitely become Irish, is the kind of idea where you've got the

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planet of the very boring, staid white people who never have sex

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with one another and are certain, and they're not all white in

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this. one of the 5 original clone people is a black man.

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We'll talk more about that later But, you know, they're supposed

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to be sort of white Anglo people, and then we get immigrants, and

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the immigrants are all kind of, you know, 100s of years behind us

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and they have straw and pigs, and all the men are drunk, and all

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the women are bossy and stuff.

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And like, you know, there's colour and stuff.

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It does bring colour and stuff, but it also actually brings some

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pretty terrible stereotypes.

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Even if they weren't Irish, if they're the immigrants.

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Do you know what I mean?

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And she does want to say, look, these people you might find

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initially annoying are actually kind of vital for the health of

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your society.

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But she leans a little bit too much into how annoying they are in

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a way that I think undermines it a bit.

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There's a great quote from Rick Colby who says that he didn't have

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to bother with subtlety because the whole point of the contrast

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between the Irish and the, he's talking about the enterprise crew

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you know, is that, you know, they're really serious and they're

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outrageous and let's just really show that contrast.

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There is a deleted.

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There's a lot of deleted scenes in this, actually, that are on the

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DVD. goodness.

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But there is one, which I think should have made it into the

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episode, and it is one of those tedious backstories that you and I

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relentlessly mock on this podcast, but it is from Barry England's

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character explaining about the backstory of the Irish to the

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boring clones on the planet and shows him being charming and

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intelligent and trying to hold out a hand to them.

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I'm like, okay, yeah, this is sort of needed in the episode for

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this to happen.

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Otherwise, it just sort of ends because I was assuming it all

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works out okay because we never go back again.

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Thank God.

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Thank goodness.

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I think there are follow-up stories in other media, apparently.

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Yeah.

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Not in lower decks, though, I don't think.

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Shame.

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Oh, do they never go back to the island?

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Planets.

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Did I go back to the Scottish planet?

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They got the candle, though, haven't they?

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Yeah, we do that.

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Do we do it for care?

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So what do you think?

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I think we should definitely go in.

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Okay.

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I mean, I think people probably feared that we were going to come

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and rip this.

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I like, we are going to have some agreeable things to say, but I

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mean, overall, it is, it is still a bit of a dog.

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An interesting dog, but a dog.

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I think it's a functional episode of Star Trek and I'm prepared to

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grade it on the curve because it is such early days, but it is

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worth remembering that this season also does contain pleasure of a

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man.

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But it does also contain manhunt as the next episode. you know?

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Yeah, yeah, that's pretty terrible, isn't it?

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All right.

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Let's just enjoy Pulaski.

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I think we can definitely do that All right.

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I will count us in.

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Five, four, three, two, one, and we're off.

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So no opening thing, because we don't know what's happening yet.

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We're not on our mission.

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We actually find out why we here a little bit later.

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I don't know why we're here at the moment.

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We're looking at stars or something.

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But there's no actual mission until some way through the thing.

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And so this is not looking at all well, is he?

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Well, again, Michael never ends up doing this sort of growly

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behaviour later.

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Do you know what I mean?

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Like, it's a very early TNG sort of thing.

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Bless him. a strange sort of question.

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Did you imagine those leather seats creaked?

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Did I have to leisurely dub all the lines all the time?

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Sure they didn't.

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So the captain's log entry and close-up just is revealed to be

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just a series of numbers rather than the text of anything he's

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recently said.

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Yeah, that's sort of shorthand of the future, you know?

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ASKI.

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When the binars were there, they gave them a quick lesson in

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shorthand.

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So a distress beacon.

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Okay, so that's, there's our in.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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But it's a it's not a distress beacon that we hear being picked

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up.

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Picard has heard about it from the Starbase that they're at or

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something like that.

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So we don't see them picking it up, which is odd.

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Do you know what I mean?

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Like, normally you would expect them to hear the distressed beacon

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and then go and find out what it is.

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You know what else is old?

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Commander Riker knows the sound of every distress beaker and he

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goes, well, I know them all, but I don't recognise that one.

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Well, I don't know that he does.

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I mean, it just sounds like a distressed baking because it's a

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repeated pattern or something like that.

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It would have been better if it had been an SOS, wouldn't it?

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But they're trying to shy away from contemporary staff, I think.

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So we wouldn't get that.

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Look how thin his beard is there?

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You know, like, do you know later on when he's got a full face of

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hair?

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No, that's just his face is fatter.

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Is that why I had a full face?

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The 10 o'clock shadow, how is how is the lot of sins?

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Oh, God, all of this old earth calendar, 2190.

385
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I just hate all of this early die.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And we don't ever land at that.

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Do you know what I mean?

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Like the old earth calendar. don't land on that anyway.

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Do you know what I mean?

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So, and again, this is all weird and uninteresting ways of

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introducing this plot.

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Why is this happening?

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And I do think that it is because early Star Trek, the Next

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Generation does want to tell us what life on the ship is like.

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And so rather than it just being an adventure thing, we do get, you

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know, messages from Starfleet and references to, you know, the

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Starbase researchers and all of this sort of thing and information

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being exchanged and stuff.

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I quite like how they come in here and everyone's concerned

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because wharf's on the floor.

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I think that's pretty great.

403
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Oh, a wharf.

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I mean, you think this would be the plot right now.

405
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Yeah, yeah, because this is ancient and he's in terrible danger.

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Yeah.

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That's the end of the cold open.

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I've got to say, you'll think about life on the ship.

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I mean, when I was a kid, yeah, there was nothing more exciting

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than just hanging out on the Enterprise in 1987 or whenever it

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was.

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So I didn't really care if it was a boring exposition scene to get

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us in because I was in the ready room with Captain Picard and

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Commander Riker. you know?

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It's only now I've watched a lot of TV that I go, God, this is

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tedious, you know?

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But I reckon, I reckon Deep Space 9, because it has a unique

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setting does actually have as one of its remits, you know, giving

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you an enterprise what the life on the space mall is like.

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Do you know what I mean?

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Like, we do get a sense of that.

422
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I wanted to go and explore all those sooks, you know, and places

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to shop on the promenades.

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I mean, they had a basically the same sort of thing every week on

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DS9, wasn't it?

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Oh, something's coming through the wormhole, right?

428
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There's our story started, whatever that is.

429
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Yeah, yeah.

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I would have, I mean, I probably would have had the, um, into the

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credits, be the Irish people beaming into the, and just so

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everyone goes, what the hell is this?

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you know?

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I mean, that's that's the most surprising moment, but Will Wheaton

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just got his credit in the opening credits and he's not in this

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episode at all.

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Yeah, but it takes us so long to get there.

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Do you know what I mean?

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Like, part of the thing is that the pacing of this is all so weird

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and because it doesn't focus properly on the story, it's telling.

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And I think that's deliberate.

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Do you know what I mean?

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Melinda Snodgrass can pace an episode.

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She knows what she's doing.

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I don't know. is just very odd.

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So we're like, okay, a mysterious signal and wharf is sick in Sick

447
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Bay, how are these 2 things linked?

448
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Oh, they're not at all.

449
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Not at all.

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Yeah, that's right.

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But you would expect that, right?

452
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That's exactly what you would expect.

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You see that panel on the wall there with the triangles going back

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and forth.

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Yeah.

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That sort of Pulaski's version of, you know, McCoy's things where

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you kick the wall.

458
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Yeah?

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That's I don't think that you always say, in shades of grey, man

460
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you say that so much because Riker's just unconscious in Sick Bay

461
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and you just watch the triangles going back and forth.

462
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That's basically the whole episode.

463
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But I mean, that is very, that's based on the reading the things

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on the biobads in original Star Trek. with those triangles.

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Yeah, yeah.

466
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Yeah.

467
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Okey, dokey.

468
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Oh, I love this bit in a minute, where Picard comes over the, the

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intercom and she goes, she lies for him.

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Which is really nice.

471
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But she's she's super charming in this.

472
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She's really very likeable.

473
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She's not gruff at all.

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Well, we're in the 2nd half of the smiling, so she's sort of

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broken in now and she's had about five, they do like 5

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establishing Pulaski episodes.

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I don't know why they felt like she needed so much, you know, just

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put her in there and let her be great.

479
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But by this point, I mean, I think there is chemistry there with

480
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the other actors, but they say that they didn't get on. right

481
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okay.

482
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Maybe they're just sparing Gates's blushes.

483
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I don't know Yeah, maybe, maybe.

484
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I mean, she is great.

485
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Look at this.

486
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Like, she likes wharf and finds him vaguely amusing.

487
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And maybe you're right.

488
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Maybe this is us seeing what assimilation looks like once it's

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happened.

490
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You know, the Klingons were our enemies.

491
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We fought a war against them.

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And now look how we benefit from having wharf on board.

493
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And it turns out he's not what at all what we expected, that the

494
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Klingons are intensely romantic and right love poetry and stuff

495
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like that.

496
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And I think that's to me.

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Fingers and goes...

498
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Please, Captain Picard.

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I hope you believe this terrible life. telling you.

500
00:23:42.420 --> 00:23:45.539
It's really good interaction.

501
00:23:45.599 --> 00:23:48.839
Pulaski's interaction with Picard is super interesting as well

502
00:23:48.839 --> 00:23:51.180
because unlike Gates.

503
00:23:51.240 --> 00:23:54.720
They have that romantic history and it's quite a gentle

504
00:23:54.720 --> 00:23:55.319
relationship.

505
00:23:55.380 --> 00:24:00.240
It's so fractuous and she's always bossing him about and telling

506
00:24:00.240 --> 00:24:04.380
him what to do and Picard is frequently frustrating with Pulaski.

507
00:24:04.440 --> 00:24:05.220
It's great.

508
00:24:05.279 --> 00:24:08.759
Yeah, I always feel like you need a bit more of that in TNG.

509
00:24:08.819 --> 00:24:10.440
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

510
00:24:10.500 --> 00:24:14.400
I mean, I love this interaction here that data gives the

511
00:24:14.400 --> 00:24:17.880
unnecessary extra bit of detail that the word Mariposa is the

512
00:24:17.880 --> 00:24:19.200
Spanish word for butterfly.

513
00:24:20.279 --> 00:24:22.440
He says, thank you, Data.

514
00:24:22.440 --> 00:24:23.880
He says, I thought it might be...

515
00:24:23.940 --> 00:24:25.200
I thought it might be relevant.

516
00:24:25.259 --> 00:24:27.599
And because it doesn't seem to be.

517
00:24:28.619 --> 00:24:32.759
But the audience are all going, oh, okay, right, yeah.

518
00:24:32.819 --> 00:24:34.380
He just says no, sir.

519
00:24:34.440 --> 00:24:37.140
And then like, that's, I think that's very cute.

520
00:24:39.599 --> 00:24:42.359
Yeah, so this is quite good too.

521
00:24:42.420 --> 00:24:46.259
Like the mystery is immediately good and then this a very rare

522
00:24:46.259 --> 00:24:50.099
moment where they're both delivering dialogue at the same time.

523
00:24:50.160 --> 00:24:52.859
Oh, that was so strange.

524
00:24:52.920 --> 00:24:57.240
I mean, it's naturalistic because it happens in real life, but it

525
00:24:57.240 --> 00:24:58.859
doesn't happen in TV very often.

526
00:24:58.920 --> 00:25:01.799
No, and it doesn't happen in Star Trek.

527
00:25:01.859 --> 00:25:03.839
You know, it doesn't happen in Star Trek at all.

528
00:25:03.900 --> 00:25:05.880
It's it is interesting.

529
00:25:05.940 --> 00:25:12.119
So, here we go. weird back early 20th century, da, da, on the wake

530
00:25:12.119 --> 00:25:13.440
of the 3rd World War.

531
00:25:13.980 --> 00:25:17.460
Well, see, we're still kind of leaning into this, aren't we?

532
00:25:17.519 --> 00:25:21.599
And original Star Trek doesn't have any of this backstory, does

533
00:25:21.599 --> 00:25:21.900
it?

534
00:25:21.960 --> 00:25:25.980
Like this is Star Trek, the Next Generation thing, the the 3rd

535
00:25:25.980 --> 00:25:26.700
World War.

536
00:25:26.759 --> 00:25:30.119
And it's, you know, now Canon, I guess.

537
00:25:30.180 --> 00:25:32.700
Do you remember when we go to the gangster planet in TOS?

538
00:25:32.759 --> 00:25:35.039
They just land and there's people with gangster suits.

539
00:25:35.099 --> 00:25:35.880
And off we're going.

540
00:25:35.940 --> 00:25:39.960
I'm an adventure. when Star Trek gets so boring.

541
00:25:41.640 --> 00:25:44.759
Callum, will the Irish just beam aboard now, please?

542
00:25:44.819 --> 00:25:46.920
But of course, this sets up the mystery.

543
00:25:46.980 --> 00:25:47.700
Do you know what I mean?

544
00:25:47.759 --> 00:25:50.339
Why are there spinning wheels and computers on the same ship?

545
00:25:50.400 --> 00:25:54.000
It could be the most pointless and my favourite scene of the

546
00:25:54.000 --> 00:25:54.660
entire episode.

547
00:25:54.720 --> 00:25:57.000
The Klingon T ritual.

548
00:25:57.059 --> 00:26:01.380
Yeah, yeah, which is sort of, again, weirdly orientalist.

549
00:26:01.440 --> 00:26:02.160
Do you know what I mean?

550
00:26:02.220 --> 00:26:04.859
It's a foreign culture, so they must have a tea ceremony.

551
00:26:04.920 --> 00:26:09.839
But the upside of it is, and look how enthusiastic she is, she's

552
00:26:09.839 --> 00:26:10.619
wonderful.

553
00:26:10.680 --> 00:26:11.640
She really likes it.

554
00:26:11.700 --> 00:26:14.700
I wanted to do the Klingon tea ceremony with me before.

555
00:26:14.759 --> 00:26:15.720
She loves me.

556
00:26:15.720 --> 00:26:18.480
And then she's so consistent on being involved.

557
00:26:18.539 --> 00:26:21.599
She takes the antidote for this dreadful poison.

558
00:26:21.660 --> 00:26:22.740
She's doing it.

559
00:26:22.799 --> 00:26:25.079
Like, she's picking the flowers and putting them in the thing.

560
00:26:25.140 --> 00:26:26.339
She immediately takes over.

561
00:26:26.400 --> 00:26:27.480
She knows how to do it.

562
00:26:27.480 --> 00:26:30.000
She's home for life. that.

563
00:26:30.059 --> 00:26:31.259
Yeah, maybe.

564
00:26:31.259 --> 00:26:34.859
Worf likes it, but then she says, well, I've never experienced

565
00:26:34.859 --> 00:26:35.099
it.

566
00:26:35.160 --> 00:26:39.299
And she, that thing where he says, you mustn't drink the tea.

567
00:26:39.359 --> 00:26:41.880
It's deadly to humans and she says, actually, it's pretty bad for

568
00:26:41.880 --> 00:26:42.779
Klingons as well.

569
00:26:42.839 --> 00:26:44.460
And then he explains her.

570
00:26:44.579 --> 00:26:47.759
She has the antidote for this tea ceremony to hand.

571
00:26:47.819 --> 00:26:50.519
So was she hoping one day he was going to come in with the tea?

572
00:26:51.240 --> 00:26:55.019
Uh, no, no, it's just, I don't know.

573
00:26:55.079 --> 00:26:55.799
I doubt it.

574
00:26:55.859 --> 00:26:59.039
But she rushes off and gets the thing that she knows is the

575
00:26:59.039 --> 00:27:01.740
antidote to the tea ceremony and says, I'm going to do it.

576
00:27:01.799 --> 00:27:03.000
I'm going to participate.

577
00:27:03.059 --> 00:27:06.359
And so, again, this is this is it working, isn't it?

578
00:27:06.420 --> 00:27:10.740
Like she's enthusiastically participating properly in this thing.

579
00:27:10.799 --> 00:27:12.059
She's not going to fake it.

580
00:27:12.119 --> 00:27:15.119
This is a ceremony about sharing an experience and she's going to

581
00:27:15.119 --> 00:27:16.019
share the experience.

582
00:27:16.079 --> 00:27:19.619
It's wonderful, and she's still find reasons not to like Pulaski

583
00:27:19.619 --> 00:27:21.539
because she's not Dr. Crusher.

584
00:27:21.660 --> 00:27:22.680
Yeah, yeah.

585
00:27:22.920 --> 00:27:25.859
This line now is the best line of the episode.

586
00:27:25.920 --> 00:27:28.619
Now, read me some of that love poetry.

587
00:27:30.900 --> 00:27:35.400
Except the thing is too, don't you think Michael reads as a young

588
00:27:35.400 --> 00:27:36.180
man here?

589
00:27:36.240 --> 00:27:40.500
Like, Michael seems really young, and she's clearly a cool boy

590
00:27:40.500 --> 00:27:40.980
rather than that.

591
00:27:40.980 --> 00:27:41.700
He's really young.

592
00:27:41.759 --> 00:27:43.200
It's crazy. isn't it?

593
00:27:43.380 --> 00:27:47.039
Like, because when I was watching it as a kid, he was just an

594
00:27:47.039 --> 00:27:47.519
adult.

595
00:27:47.579 --> 00:27:48.240
Do you know what I mean?

596
00:27:48.299 --> 00:27:49.140
Well, I wasn't a kid.

597
00:27:49.200 --> 00:27:53.700
I was, you know, like at university, but he still seemed like at a

598
00:27:53.700 --> 00:27:54.359
proper adult.

599
00:27:54.420 --> 00:27:57.299
But now he just reads the last they did, where he does come across

600
00:27:57.299 --> 00:27:59.700
as a much more mature person.

601
00:27:59.759 --> 00:28:01.799
Yeah, he does go on a hell of a journey.

602
00:28:01.920 --> 00:28:04.079
Oh, here we go, right?

603
00:28:06.539 --> 00:28:10.740
So we turned up at the, at the Irish planet.

604
00:28:10.799 --> 00:28:14.279
Column, I would like you to prepare yourself for what you are

605
00:28:14.279 --> 00:28:17.819
about to receive on the transport apart, okay?

606
00:28:17.880 --> 00:28:19.019
It's so great.

607
00:28:19.079 --> 00:28:21.420
It's already went to work that day and went...

608
00:28:21.420 --> 00:28:22.380
It can't be that bad.

609
00:28:22.440 --> 00:28:27.359
I mean, I know it's written in quite a broad way, but I'm sure. and

610
00:28:27.359 --> 00:28:31.019
then they started shepherding in all the chickens and the pigs.

611
00:28:32.460 --> 00:28:39.000
And actually, I think that the pigs and the little that pygmy goat

612
00:28:39.000 --> 00:28:42.720
that the that the pregnant woman is holding and stuff, that that's

613
00:28:42.720 --> 00:28:45.539
all awesome. absolutely here for you.

614
00:28:45.599 --> 00:28:46.500
You don't see pigs.

615
00:28:46.500 --> 00:28:47.940
Absolutely.

616
00:28:47.940 --> 00:28:49.140
Do you normally?

617
00:28:49.259 --> 00:28:55.440
And and two, the fact that that's one of the things that sells the

618
00:28:55.440 --> 00:29:00.720
the boring white people, the Mariposa, the Mariposans on joining

619
00:29:00.720 --> 00:29:00.960
them.

620
00:29:01.019 --> 00:29:01.799
Do you know what I mean?

621
00:29:01.859 --> 00:29:04.619
The Prime Minister walks into the Cargo Bay and sees all those

622
00:29:04.619 --> 00:29:05.160
animals.

623
00:29:05.160 --> 00:29:08.700
And the thing that Danilo says, where, you know, how can we make a

624
00:29:08.700 --> 00:29:13.019
life without our animals, how are we going to live without them?

625
00:29:13.079 --> 00:29:15.240
Like, that stuff's all really good, I think.

626
00:29:15.299 --> 00:29:19.140
I like the fact that they want to brew their own grolk. because I

627
00:29:19.140 --> 00:29:22.079
don't trust the boring symphole.

628
00:29:22.680 --> 00:29:27.660
No, it turns out canonically you can make actual alcohol and get

629
00:29:27.660 --> 00:29:30.900
drunk on the ship, apparently.

630
00:29:30.960 --> 00:29:35.460
How do you make offensive stereotypes the most entertaining thing

631
00:29:35.460 --> 00:29:39.359
in the episode by bringing in a race of aliens so boring.

632
00:29:40.619 --> 00:29:43.319
So you would rather hang out with them.

633
00:29:43.380 --> 00:29:45.900
But look, we are now hang on.

634
00:29:45.960 --> 00:29:48.539
We're 13 minutes into the episode, right?

635
00:29:48.599 --> 00:29:49.920
And nothing's happened.

636
00:29:49.980 --> 00:29:51.240
They haven't even come on board yet.

637
00:29:51.299 --> 00:29:52.799
And so we get what?

638
00:29:52.859 --> 00:29:56.160
10, 15 minutes with the Irish crowd.

639
00:29:56.220 --> 00:30:00.000
And then we get 10, 15 minutes on the planet and then the episode

640
00:30:00.000 --> 00:30:01.140
just thens.

641
00:30:01.259 --> 00:30:03.599
It's weirdly, weirdly unbalanced.

642
00:30:03.660 --> 00:30:04.619
It's very strange.

643
00:30:04.680 --> 00:30:06.420
It's not...

644
00:30:06.480 --> 00:30:07.079
Yeah here we go.

645
00:30:07.140 --> 00:30:09.000
Look at the little girl holding the chicken.

646
00:30:09.059 --> 00:30:10.200
Oh my god.

647
00:30:10.259 --> 00:30:12.180
Oh column.

648
00:30:12.240 --> 00:30:13.559
Holy fuck.

649
00:30:14.940 --> 00:30:18.000
Captain, you better get down there right away.

650
00:30:18.059 --> 00:30:21.660
There's something very offensive going on in the transport room.

651
00:30:21.720 --> 00:30:22.619
That's right.

652
00:30:22.619 --> 00:30:26.880
Oh my god, have you seen the subtitles?

653
00:30:26.940 --> 00:30:28.859
It goes, sheep barring.

654
00:30:32.039 --> 00:30:36.779
And that's so shit that we go to the closing. we go to the ad

655
00:30:36.779 --> 00:30:42.059
break and we have comedy Irish music, which is not digetic, and

656
00:30:42.059 --> 00:30:45.240
we're, it, Pecan's reacting like he can hear it, but shouldn't he

657
00:30:45.240 --> 00:30:48.059
be reacting to the pigs and the, like we should be able to hear

658
00:30:48.059 --> 00:30:50.700
the animals and him, but he's kind of going, what the hell is

659
00:30:50.700 --> 00:30:52.259
going on in the transporter room?

660
00:30:52.559 --> 00:30:54.960
I mean, have they gone all the way?

661
00:30:55.019 --> 00:30:57.059
No, no, no, it's not digetic.

662
00:30:57.119 --> 00:30:58.380
There's no one playing an instrument.

663
00:30:58.380 --> 00:31:00.059
It is just incidental music.

664
00:31:00.119 --> 00:31:03.000
And we do do little iron...

665
00:31:04.859 --> 00:31:06.599
Where the chicken flies out.

666
00:31:06.720 --> 00:31:07.500
It's awesome.

667
00:31:07.559 --> 00:31:09.119
That's so funny.

668
00:31:09.299 --> 00:31:11.880
I was like, what's going on in there?

669
00:31:12.000 --> 00:31:15.359
And again, I love Picard's reaction.

670
00:31:15.420 --> 00:31:18.779
It's overplayed because again, you know, Patrick Stewart doesn't

671
00:31:18.779 --> 00:31:22.019
know how to do this yet, but where he just decides, oh, fuck it

672
00:31:22.019 --> 00:31:22.440
this is funny.

673
00:31:22.500 --> 00:31:24.960
No, I've got to eat cheese. terrific that moment.

674
00:31:25.019 --> 00:31:27.960
I mean, yeah, it's a bit overplayed.

675
00:31:28.019 --> 00:31:32.400
But just to see him relax and go, this is so absurd, let's just go

676
00:31:32.400 --> 00:31:33.180
with it.

677
00:31:33.240 --> 00:31:34.799
Yeah exactly.

678
00:31:34.859 --> 00:31:41.339
And it's not like, I mean, we did, um, the way to Eden, okay, where

679
00:31:41.339 --> 00:31:44.279
the hippies come on board the Enterprise and their offensive

680
00:31:44.279 --> 00:31:48.119
stereotypes and and that's a story basically about how dreadful

681
00:31:48.119 --> 00:31:48.960
young people are.

682
00:31:49.019 --> 00:31:51.900
And we thought it was really, I don't think.

683
00:31:51.960 --> 00:31:54.420
No, he was horribly mean spirited.

684
00:31:54.480 --> 00:31:57.119
And of course, you know, all the, you know, the young people get

685
00:31:57.119 --> 00:31:59.339
killed and stuff and disillusioned.

686
00:31:59.759 --> 00:32:01.019
That was a great line just then.

687
00:32:01.079 --> 00:32:01.680
Did you see that?

688
00:32:01.740 --> 00:32:04.019
He goes, this is Mr. Worf, chief of security.

689
00:32:04.079 --> 00:32:06.000
And he goes, I don't suppose you have a lot of trouble with

690
00:32:06.000 --> 00:32:07.619
scary.

691
00:32:07.680 --> 00:32:08.220
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

692
00:32:08.279 --> 00:32:11.640
He is quite charming, even though he is.

693
00:32:11.880 --> 00:32:13.319
Yeah.

694
00:32:13.319 --> 00:32:15.839
A terrible, terrible stereotype.

695
00:32:16.380 --> 00:32:19.799
But Picard is here being a bit cross and annoying.

696
00:32:19.859 --> 00:32:20.579
Do you know what I mean?

697
00:32:20.640 --> 00:32:22.319
And then he just kind of goes, ah, you know.

698
00:32:22.380 --> 00:32:26.339
It's just all the clothes that they're wearing is so surgical.

699
00:32:26.400 --> 00:32:31.140
The massive handlebar moustache that one of them has like...

700
00:32:31.140 --> 00:32:33.480
Yeah, it's it's it's a bit much.

701
00:32:33.900 --> 00:32:38.700
But it is also the kind of immigrants are sexist and there from

702
00:32:38.700 --> 00:32:42.359
traditional societies that have bad gender roles and stuff like

703
00:32:42.359 --> 00:32:42.599
that.

704
00:32:42.660 --> 00:32:47.640
And, you know, that just seems to be a bit of an unfortunate sort

705
00:32:47.640 --> 00:32:48.180
of message.

706
00:32:48.299 --> 00:32:50.160
Oh, you married, Captain Picard.

707
00:32:50.220 --> 00:32:51.599
I have a daughter, you know.

708
00:32:51.660 --> 00:32:52.799
He goes.

709
00:32:52.859 --> 00:32:54.720
Yeah, all of that.

710
00:32:54.779 --> 00:32:58.380
Just the terrible sexual politics, but I do quite like how Brenna

711
00:32:58.380 --> 00:33:02.039
decides to go and make the Prime Minister of Mariposa, one of her

712
00:33:02.039 --> 00:33:04.079
husband because he's liking a lot of money.

713
00:33:04.140 --> 00:33:06.599
Well, no, I was a bit...

714
00:33:06.660 --> 00:33:08.640
I thought it was a bit icky when they're talking around the table

715
00:33:08.640 --> 00:33:13.500
and um, God, what's what's Barry Ingram's character called?

716
00:33:13.500 --> 00:33:14.460
Danilo.

717
00:33:14.519 --> 00:33:15.359
Dimilo.

718
00:33:15.420 --> 00:33:17.640
Oh, I'm going have to fuck 3 girls apiece.

719
00:33:17.700 --> 00:33:18.359
Great, yeah.

720
00:33:18.420 --> 00:33:20.160
All that stuff was really icky.

721
00:33:20.220 --> 00:33:23.819
But when she went, oh, it's man in power, is it?

722
00:33:23.880 --> 00:33:25.200
I'm going there.

723
00:33:25.200 --> 00:33:26.460
Say hello to him then.

724
00:33:26.519 --> 00:33:29.039
But each woman gets 3 husbands.

725
00:33:29.099 --> 00:33:30.059
Do you know what I mean?

726
00:33:30.119 --> 00:33:34.319
Like, like, and like that hilarious thing where Diana Malda later

727
00:33:34.319 --> 00:33:37.140
says, oh, you'll, you know, I'm afraid you won't be able to have

728
00:33:37.140 --> 00:33:39.900
traditional monogamous marriages anymore.

729
00:33:39.960 --> 00:33:41.700
And he kind of goes, oh goodness.

730
00:33:43.680 --> 00:33:45.420
Oh, no.

731
00:33:45.480 --> 00:33:47.279
What will we do?

732
00:33:47.339 --> 00:33:50.279
What makes you think that's happening anyway?

733
00:33:51.839 --> 00:33:54.240
Oh, boy, 0 boy.

734
00:33:54.299 --> 00:33:58.200
It goes, the bloody place is a death trap, Captain Picard.

735
00:33:58.259 --> 00:34:00.839
I've tried to make a fire and it's just shot out.

736
00:34:01.140 --> 00:34:07.559
So we get bloody here as a swear word because it's not an American

737
00:34:07.559 --> 00:34:10.860
swear word and so everyone's kind of okay with it.

738
00:34:10.920 --> 00:34:13.079
When I was a kid, I wasn't allowed to say bloody.

739
00:34:13.139 --> 00:34:14.820
That would have been unthinkable.

740
00:34:14.880 --> 00:34:17.820
It's the O'Brien go-to swear word, isn't it?

741
00:34:17.880 --> 00:34:18.840
Yes, yeah.

742
00:34:18.900 --> 00:34:22.500
And again, he can say it because he's Irish and it's an American

743
00:34:22.500 --> 00:34:24.179
TV show where it's not swearing.

744
00:34:24.239 --> 00:34:29.820
Remember that Scotty also says it in relics as well.

745
00:34:29.880 --> 00:34:31.380
It's kind of interesting.

746
00:34:31.440 --> 00:34:32.940
Did you start pullback there?

747
00:34:32.940 --> 00:34:35.699
To the whole cargo base, set up like a farm.

748
00:34:35.760 --> 00:34:36.599
I know.

749
00:34:36.599 --> 00:34:39.480
Yeah, it's quite fun. kind of terrible, but it is interesting to

750
00:34:39.480 --> 00:34:42.360
look at, because we don't know. stuff like that.

751
00:34:42.480 --> 00:34:48.420
And and maybe, maybe, is it Rick Colby is also right, because, I

752
00:34:48.420 --> 00:34:52.320
mean, clearly the main opposition is between the Mariposans and

753
00:34:52.320 --> 00:34:53.519
the Bringloidy, right?

754
00:34:53.579 --> 00:34:56.699
You know, one is...

755
00:34:56.760 --> 00:34:59.340
I know, that's from a Gaelic word or something.

756
00:34:59.400 --> 00:35:02.099
It's like Snodgrass chose it particularly.

757
00:35:02.159 --> 00:35:04.079
It's not just a space word.

758
00:35:04.920 --> 00:35:10.260
But the opposition between the Enterprise crew and this group is

759
00:35:10.260 --> 00:35:14.400
pretty strong as well, the Enterprise crew are advanced

760
00:35:14.400 --> 00:35:18.119
technologically and have huge sticks up their arse and stuff, and

761
00:35:18.119 --> 00:35:20.940
these people are much more kind of relaxed and a bit more

762
00:35:20.940 --> 00:35:21.900
colourful and interesting.

763
00:35:21.960 --> 00:35:24.000
Have you met many Irish ladies?

764
00:35:24.719 --> 00:35:28.380
Uh They are formidable.

765
00:35:28.440 --> 00:35:31.260
I'll tell you what, especially Irish mothers.

766
00:35:31.320 --> 00:35:32.579
I did love her line there.

767
00:35:32.639 --> 00:35:34.500
She goes, well, you might have all the time of the world.

768
00:35:34.559 --> 00:35:37.320
But I've got a load of Thai and hungry people to look after.

769
00:35:37.380 --> 00:35:38.400
So get out of my way.

770
00:35:38.460 --> 00:35:39.719
That was really good.

771
00:35:39.780 --> 00:35:43.260
And that's the way that you'd say that someone's a good person in

772
00:35:43.260 --> 00:35:43.860
Star Trek.

773
00:35:43.920 --> 00:35:44.579
Yeah, here it is.

774
00:35:44.579 --> 00:35:48.780
Captain Picard is smiling. what's going on Yeah, it's seriously

775
00:35:48.780 --> 00:35:49.320
true.

776
00:35:49.380 --> 00:35:49.860
What's happening?

777
00:35:49.980 --> 00:35:50.820
Yeah.

778
00:35:50.880 --> 00:35:55.260
But it is also like this is Star Trek and Star Trek is frequently

779
00:35:55.260 --> 00:35:56.340
silly like this.

780
00:35:56.400 --> 00:36:02.159
Um, you know, this this isn't a complete failure or a complete

781
00:36:02.159 --> 00:36:02.820
travesty.

782
00:36:02.880 --> 00:36:04.980
Sometimes when Star Trek is silly.

783
00:36:05.039 --> 00:36:06.659
It pulls it off and it's wonderful.

784
00:36:06.719 --> 00:36:07.980
This doesn't pull it off.

785
00:36:08.039 --> 00:36:11.219
I think it's too broad. when there's work to be done, she says.

786
00:36:11.280 --> 00:36:12.119
Yeah, yeah.

787
00:36:12.179 --> 00:36:13.739
Shouldn't you be flying this ship?

788
00:36:14.159 --> 00:36:16.139
Oh, come on.

789
00:36:16.199 --> 00:36:18.360
I mean, look, the spinning wheels in the back of the shop.

790
00:36:19.380 --> 00:36:22.440
She's milling the flower as we talk.

791
00:36:24.420 --> 00:36:26.400
God's sakes.

792
00:36:26.460 --> 00:36:29.340
Oh, look, there's some...

793
00:36:29.340 --> 00:36:31.559
Oh my god, what's that called there, Beyond, the wooden thing.

794
00:36:31.679 --> 00:36:33.420
For making dresses.

795
00:36:33.480 --> 00:36:35.760
Yeah, that's a spinning wheel.

796
00:36:35.820 --> 00:36:38.699
So making, um, not a sewing machine.

797
00:36:38.760 --> 00:36:39.840
That's for making cloth.

798
00:36:39.900 --> 00:36:42.780
I'm more used to seeing it in Cinderella or that sort of thing, you

799
00:36:42.780 --> 00:36:42.960
know?

800
00:36:43.019 --> 00:36:44.280
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

801
00:36:44.340 --> 00:36:46.559
She is beautiful, Brendan, though, isn't she?

802
00:36:46.619 --> 00:36:47.099
stunning.

803
00:36:47.159 --> 00:36:48.659
Yeah, yeah, Pierce.

804
00:36:48.719 --> 00:36:52.019
Well, a lot of a lot of kind of eye makeup, though.

805
00:36:52.079 --> 00:36:56.159
But she is stunning. very odd bit though, where she starts lifting

806
00:36:56.159 --> 00:36:57.000
up her skirts.

807
00:36:57.000 --> 00:36:58.739
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

808
00:36:58.800 --> 00:37:00.059
Tell me, come ahead.

809
00:37:00.119 --> 00:37:02.519
Where does a woman wash her feet on this ship?

810
00:37:02.579 --> 00:37:05.460
I was like, that's not sexy. are you doing?

811
00:37:06.420 --> 00:37:08.280
Yeah, here we go.

812
00:37:08.340 --> 00:37:11.460
Oh, look at all that cow shit on her skirt.

813
00:37:11.519 --> 00:37:12.539
Wow, that is sexy.

814
00:37:12.599 --> 00:37:14.159
Yeah.

815
00:37:14.219 --> 00:37:14.940
Yeah.

816
00:37:15.000 --> 00:37:18.960
So, uh, the weird thing is, of course, that the next time we see

817
00:37:18.960 --> 00:37:23.400
her in his quarters she's changed clothes and she's in a sexier

818
00:37:23.400 --> 00:37:28.380
outfit, but somehow she didn't wash, like, uh, that worried me a

819
00:37:28.380 --> 00:37:28.679
little bit.

820
00:37:28.739 --> 00:37:31.440
I mean, I do like the idea of these sort of earthier, more

821
00:37:31.440 --> 00:37:32.880
grounded characters on the ship.

822
00:37:32.940 --> 00:37:37.079
That's fun, but there are more subtle ways of showing it on, yeah

823
00:37:37.079 --> 00:37:39.239
hitching up your shit stained skirts.

824
00:37:39.360 --> 00:37:40.619
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

825
00:37:40.619 --> 00:37:41.820
That's a bit too earthy.

826
00:37:41.880 --> 00:37:47.400
I like how Riker likes her and I like how just deciding he's going

827
00:37:47.400 --> 00:37:50.519
to have a sexual relationship with someone, he's going to try and

828
00:37:50.519 --> 00:37:52.019
have a sexual relationship with someone.

829
00:37:52.019 --> 00:37:53.039
No, no, no, no, no.

830
00:37:53.039 --> 00:37:56.400
She decides to have a sexual relationship.

831
00:37:56.460 --> 00:37:57.659
She clearly her decision.

832
00:37:57.719 --> 00:37:59.639
But, you know, he invites it.

833
00:37:59.699 --> 00:38:02.039
He's got her back in his quarters and stuff, you know, like he

834
00:38:02.039 --> 00:38:02.820
does want it as well.

835
00:38:02.880 --> 00:38:06.960
I just think that they start from the top and work their way

836
00:38:06.960 --> 00:38:07.320
down.

837
00:38:08.159 --> 00:38:13.199
I like how he undoes her hair and lets it fall. kind of gentle.

838
00:38:14.099 --> 00:38:16.800
Okay, are we going to the other planet now?

839
00:38:16.860 --> 00:38:17.940
Oh no, this is that scene.

840
00:38:18.000 --> 00:38:18.719
No.

841
00:38:18.780 --> 00:38:22.679
See, now, so she's changing to this really sexy outfit.

842
00:38:22.739 --> 00:38:24.420
Look at it. and it's it's awesome.

843
00:38:24.480 --> 00:38:25.860
It's great.

844
00:38:25.920 --> 00:38:29.280
Yeah, yeah, but she says, oh, I still haven't washed my feet and

845
00:38:29.280 --> 00:38:30.420
it's kind of like, oh, really?

846
00:38:30.480 --> 00:38:31.619
Come on, why don't you?

847
00:38:31.679 --> 00:38:32.519
before putting that on?

848
00:38:32.579 --> 00:38:33.900
She starts doing the washing up, look.

849
00:38:35.039 --> 00:38:36.059
For God's sakes.

850
00:38:36.119 --> 00:38:38.519
Well, you're not going to clear up this mess, are you?

851
00:38:38.579 --> 00:38:41.280
If someone walked into my house and started doing that.

852
00:38:44.280 --> 00:38:46.019
Ah, yes.

853
00:38:46.739 --> 00:38:50.159
Yeah, you're still one thing you haven't shown me somewhere to

854
00:38:50.159 --> 00:38:51.000
wash my feet.

855
00:38:51.059 --> 00:38:51.840
Like, come on.

856
00:38:51.900 --> 00:38:56.340
Like, I was scared that we were going to see the foot washing and

857
00:38:56.340 --> 00:38:57.539
I was like, that was too much.

858
00:38:57.599 --> 00:39:00.119
You have you have feet problems though, don't you?

859
00:39:00.179 --> 00:39:03.000
This is not a thing. we should go there, you know?

860
00:39:05.460 --> 00:39:07.800
Look, she's dropping a skirt.

861
00:39:07.860 --> 00:39:09.239
Oh, goodness, man.

862
00:39:09.300 --> 00:39:10.500
She is hard, isn't she?

863
00:39:10.619 --> 00:39:13.559
I'm coming over a bit funny, no.

864
00:39:13.619 --> 00:39:15.119
Yeah, yeah.

865
00:39:15.119 --> 00:39:21.000
It's unusual thing about for 90s trek to be genuinely sexy.

866
00:39:21.059 --> 00:39:22.800
Well, yeah, that's right.

867
00:39:22.860 --> 00:39:26.639
It's so sexless normally, and she is kind of hard, and this isn't

868
00:39:26.639 --> 00:39:31.199
like, because all those series of men that, you know, Deanna and

869
00:39:31.199 --> 00:39:34.860
Beverly Day are just kind of awful.

870
00:39:34.920 --> 00:39:37.860
Um, but she's stunning.

871
00:39:37.920 --> 00:39:38.579
She's fabulous.

872
00:39:38.699 --> 00:39:44.820
I just like how sort of insistent she is and how gentle he is.

873
00:39:44.880 --> 00:39:46.199
That's really nice.

874
00:39:46.320 --> 00:39:50.219
At the end, there's no sort of question that she just expects now

875
00:39:50.219 --> 00:39:53.099
that we're going to, you know, have a relationship or anything

876
00:39:53.099 --> 00:39:53.579
like that.

877
00:39:53.639 --> 00:39:56.760
Like she's just in it for the fling. you know what I mean?

878
00:39:56.880 --> 00:40:01.679
And then she's off, uh, you know, trying to uh, marry Wilson

879
00:40:01.679 --> 00:40:03.239
Granger, the prime minister.

880
00:40:03.300 --> 00:40:04.380
Oh, here we go.

881
00:40:04.440 --> 00:40:07.440
Danello, trying to...

882
00:40:08.940 --> 00:40:12.000
So, this is where we learn.

883
00:40:12.059 --> 00:40:13.739
And again, this is important stuff.

884
00:40:15.179 --> 00:40:18.719
Is there any way of making a fire about this bloody ship

885
00:40:18.719 --> 00:40:20.940
extinguishing with bolts?

886
00:40:21.000 --> 00:40:22.139
It's great.

887
00:40:22.440 --> 00:40:25.559
Sinthal, you calls it.

888
00:40:26.699 --> 00:40:31.019
So yes, we can make real alcohol in the replicators, we're allowed

889
00:40:31.019 --> 00:40:31.500
to do that.

890
00:40:31.559 --> 00:40:36.539
So with all the deleterious effects intact. say, yep, no, I want

891
00:40:36.539 --> 00:40:36.780
those.

892
00:40:38.519 --> 00:40:42.840
Every moment of pleasure in life has to be purchased by an equal

893
00:40:42.840 --> 00:40:43.739
moment of pain.

894
00:40:43.800 --> 00:40:47.039
Actually, I'm not sure that's true, you know.

895
00:40:47.099 --> 00:40:50.579
I feel like the pain actually outweighs the pleasure in life.

896
00:40:50.639 --> 00:40:51.840
I don't know.

897
00:40:51.900 --> 00:40:55.860
Yeah, but like does the hangover outweigh the drinking the night

898
00:40:55.860 --> 00:40:56.099
before?

899
00:40:56.159 --> 00:40:58.860
I don't drink in 20 years.

900
00:40:58.920 --> 00:40:59.639
I would know.

901
00:41:01.199 --> 00:41:05.519
Ali, he has one sip at the same for whole one goes terrible.

902
00:41:05.579 --> 00:41:07.079
No, that's whiskey.

903
00:41:07.139 --> 00:41:09.420
That's actual alcohol, but he hates it.

904
00:41:09.480 --> 00:41:10.739
And so and this is wonderful.

905
00:41:10.800 --> 00:41:12.900
Worf says, all right, have a Klingon drink.

906
00:41:12.960 --> 00:41:16.920
And then all of this is so ludicrously broadly played, but it

907
00:41:16.920 --> 00:41:17.519
would have...

908
00:41:17.519 --> 00:41:19.920
This is the bit I remember where he goes, boss.

909
00:41:19.980 --> 00:41:21.239
Oh boy, oh boy.

910
00:41:21.300 --> 00:41:22.199
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

911
00:41:22.260 --> 00:41:23.039
Oh, my God.

912
00:41:23.099 --> 00:41:25.860
But that's like the 60s. you know what I mean?

913
00:41:25.920 --> 00:41:29.400
It's like absolute kind of the performance, those big comedy

914
00:41:29.400 --> 00:41:31.920
performances from 60s trend.

915
00:41:32.039 --> 00:41:35.579
And then she comes in all brush, father, screaming her right off.

916
00:41:35.639 --> 00:41:40.320
So this might be the biggest problem, this sea. in terms of

917
00:41:40.320 --> 00:41:41.340
stereotypes.

918
00:41:41.400 --> 00:41:43.500
Oh, my darling now, is it?

919
00:41:43.739 --> 00:41:45.239
Hello, darling.

920
00:41:45.300 --> 00:41:49.139
Because he's because his throat is ruined by the by the Klingon

921
00:41:49.139 --> 00:41:49.980
whiskey or whatever.

922
00:41:50.340 --> 00:41:53.099
Oh, she wants to send us...

923
00:41:53.159 --> 00:41:54.059
Oh, yeah, that was quite nice.

924
00:41:54.119 --> 00:41:55.199
Pulaski again?

925
00:41:55.260 --> 00:41:56.219
Smart ideas?

926
00:41:56.280 --> 00:41:57.300
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

927
00:41:57.360 --> 00:41:58.440
Integrating the children.

928
00:41:58.500 --> 00:42:00.480
But she's smart.

929
00:42:00.539 --> 00:42:01.619
She's not a dickhead.

930
00:42:01.679 --> 00:42:04.139
We could have had a thing where, oh, no, we can't have them

931
00:42:04.139 --> 00:42:07.920
educating our children in their weird future ways or anything like

932
00:42:07.920 --> 00:42:08.219
that.

933
00:42:08.280 --> 00:42:12.239
Like, she's normal and she's kind of saying, can you not go and do

934
00:42:12.239 --> 00:42:12.840
something?

935
00:42:12.900 --> 00:42:18.300
And again, like there is something about that stereotype

936
00:42:18.300 --> 00:42:21.420
reinforcing that stereotype, like telling us that is actually

937
00:42:21.420 --> 00:42:22.619
quite good. you know what I mean?

938
00:42:22.679 --> 00:42:24.599
That is a woman who...

939
00:42:24.599 --> 00:42:28.079
The line, why did you have to tell them that magic wall can give

940
00:42:28.079 --> 00:42:29.639
them more than meat and potato?

941
00:42:30.960 --> 00:42:34.260
Try again, Melinda, or try again, Maurice.

942
00:42:34.380 --> 00:42:39.239
Well, no, but again, like she's saying that these men are useless

943
00:42:39.239 --> 00:42:43.500
and they will just drink, and that's not a message about men

944
00:42:43.500 --> 00:42:47.940
generally, it's a message about these immigrant men, and I think

945
00:42:47.940 --> 00:42:49.380
that's a problem, right?

946
00:42:49.440 --> 00:42:53.519
And there is just no subtlety in any of those lines at all.

947
00:42:53.579 --> 00:42:57.539
I mean, Danilo is basically dick emery in that scene when he walks

948
00:42:57.539 --> 00:42:59.340
off, you know, doing his comedy.

949
00:42:59.460 --> 00:43:00.719
He needs to play it like that.

950
00:43:00.780 --> 00:43:03.360
I just think underplaying it would have been a failure and we've

951
00:43:03.360 --> 00:43:06.420
seen, you know, like the, you know, the outrageous O'Connor comes

952
00:43:06.420 --> 00:43:10.320
on board and underplays it and it's just a disaster or whatever.

953
00:43:10.380 --> 00:43:13.199
Like, didn't you think this was...

954
00:43:13.260 --> 00:43:14.280
I thought this was done quite well.

955
00:43:14.340 --> 00:43:16.619
He goes, oh, we feared that the earth was destroyed to some

956
00:43:16.619 --> 00:43:17.639
terrible catastrophe.

957
00:43:17.699 --> 00:43:20.219
That's why no one turned up to come and see us again.

958
00:43:20.280 --> 00:43:21.780
She's like, yeah, no, we just forgot about you.

959
00:43:21.840 --> 00:43:25.260
I did think, though, do you know, when you go down to the planet, I

960
00:43:25.260 --> 00:43:29.340
don't know if it's been done when they did the upscaling, but the

961
00:43:29.340 --> 00:43:31.920
special effects of the clones altogether.

962
00:43:31.980 --> 00:43:33.780
I thought that was nicely done.

963
00:43:34.260 --> 00:43:36.539
It's not a special effect.

964
00:43:36.599 --> 00:43:41.099
There are 2 sets of triplets in the cast.

965
00:43:41.159 --> 00:43:42.780
Yeah.

966
00:43:42.840 --> 00:43:47.400
So there are 3 women, Kimberly, Michelle and Tracy Goldman, are

967
00:43:47.400 --> 00:43:48.480
the 3 white women.

968
00:43:48.480 --> 00:43:54.300
And the 3 black men are Floyd, Lloyd, and Troy Weaver.

969
00:43:54.360 --> 00:43:58.260
So they get 3 sets of triplets in to play the clone.

970
00:43:58.980 --> 00:44:01.320
It's not a special effect at all at all.

971
00:44:01.380 --> 00:44:05.400
It's actual clones playing the clones as it happens.

972
00:44:05.519 --> 00:44:07.139
There you go.

973
00:44:07.199 --> 00:44:08.760
The efforts that they go to in this show.

974
00:44:08.820 --> 00:44:09.780
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

975
00:44:09.840 --> 00:44:12.719
So there's 2 of them in the background, 2 of the Weaver boys are

976
00:44:12.719 --> 00:44:13.739
in the background of that shot.

977
00:44:13.800 --> 00:44:16.440
And these boring corridor sets.

978
00:44:16.559 --> 00:44:18.239
I mean, what did you do?

979
00:44:18.300 --> 00:44:21.840
Just sit there on that bench in the corridor and look at the art.

980
00:44:21.900 --> 00:44:23.699
There's the 3 women.

981
00:44:23.760 --> 00:44:28.260
There's the 3 girls and then and then later on when the door opens

982
00:44:28.260 --> 00:44:29.699
we'll see the 3 men.

983
00:44:29.760 --> 00:44:31.800
It's terrific.

984
00:44:31.860 --> 00:44:34.619
And then, you know, in another shot, a 4th one comes through, which

985
00:44:34.619 --> 00:44:38.699
is... thinking that Rick Colby had done some great split screen

986
00:44:38.699 --> 00:44:39.179
work.

987
00:44:39.360 --> 00:44:41.159
It's pretty good though.

988
00:44:41.219 --> 00:44:42.960
It's a great trivia, Nathan.

989
00:44:43.139 --> 00:44:49.860
And again, I just think this, like, this is very Star Treky.

990
00:44:49.920 --> 00:44:51.300
This is kind of what we're here for.

991
00:44:51.360 --> 00:44:55.380
I know this is sort of boring, but what Star Trek does, is it sets

992
00:44:55.380 --> 00:44:58.980
up these made-up societies in order to make a point.

993
00:44:58.980 --> 00:45:00.239
You've got a sore thing, no, don't they?

994
00:45:00.300 --> 00:45:03.719
Yeah, they do, but...

995
00:45:03.780 --> 00:45:04.679
It is a thing.

996
00:45:04.739 --> 00:45:08.219
You know, this is this is Star Trek doing what we expect Star Trek

997
00:45:08.219 --> 00:45:08.579
to do.

998
00:45:08.639 --> 00:45:11.639
Did you hear the better trivia about that art?

999
00:45:12.599 --> 00:45:17.159
Yeah, yeah, that looks like something from a TOS episode starring

1000
00:45:17.159 --> 00:45:18.960
Diana Mulder.

1001
00:45:19.019 --> 00:45:19.920
Yeah, I thought that was a nice touch.

1002
00:45:22.980 --> 00:45:26.940
Yeah, so like obviously with this guy, the guy who plays Wilson

1003
00:45:26.940 --> 00:45:34.199
and Victor Granger, one of Victor is the chief medical officer or

1004
00:45:34.199 --> 00:45:37.500
the Minister of Health and Wilson Granger is this guy, the Prime

1005
00:45:37.500 --> 00:45:38.099
Minister.

1006
00:45:38.159 --> 00:45:41.219
They just do that by, you know, doing a shot reverse shot.

1007
00:45:41.280 --> 00:45:44.820
Like, there is a full episode, don't you think, in the concept of

1008
00:45:44.820 --> 00:45:49.260
making clones out of the enterprise crew.

1009
00:45:49.320 --> 00:45:51.300
I mean, that's demon and it's very boring.

1010
00:45:51.360 --> 00:45:55.860
Yeah, I think they give this the right amount of time.

1011
00:45:55.920 --> 00:46:00.360
I think actually, you know, these are 2 kind of undercooked, um

1012
00:46:00.360 --> 00:46:04.559
sort of an A plot and a B plot that come together at the end, but

1013
00:46:04.559 --> 00:46:08.699
they present contrasting civilisations, you know, completely

1014
00:46:08.699 --> 00:46:12.539
contrasting civilisations, and then bring them together at the end

1015
00:46:12.539 --> 00:46:18.960
and say, you know, these weirdo eugenists, uh, who initially we

1016
00:46:18.960 --> 00:46:23.219
have more sympathy for uh, than we do the Irish people because

1017
00:46:23.219 --> 00:46:24.360
they're super annoying.

1018
00:46:24.420 --> 00:46:28.380
It turns out the weirdo eugenists are the bad, weird guys who

1019
00:46:28.380 --> 00:46:32.280
desperately need the Irish people to inject a bit of life and

1020
00:46:32.280 --> 00:46:33.780
sense into them.

1021
00:46:33.840 --> 00:46:37.500
And, you know, that's actually not a bad story to tell.

1022
00:46:37.559 --> 00:46:40.559
And so it means that we spend enough time with the Irish people

1023
00:46:40.559 --> 00:46:43.739
until we're bored with them and then they stop for a while and

1024
00:46:43.739 --> 00:46:47.159
then we spend enough time with these people to not get bored of

1025
00:46:47.159 --> 00:46:47.340
them.

1026
00:46:47.400 --> 00:46:48.000
Do you know what I mean?

1027
00:46:48.059 --> 00:46:50.400
Like, it doesn't, like, not a huge amount happens.

1028
00:46:50.460 --> 00:46:53.219
I think Riker is weird in this scene, though.

1029
00:46:53.280 --> 00:46:56.760
Well, when he says, oh, I want little clones of William...

1030
00:46:56.880 --> 00:47:00.539
Melinda Snodgroff says, doesn't she, that when they kill the

1031
00:47:00.539 --> 00:47:04.500
clones, the pro-lifers came after her, didn't they?

1032
00:47:04.619 --> 00:47:05.280
Yeah.

1033
00:47:05.340 --> 00:47:09.119
But she actually said that it was intentional, and there is

1034
00:47:09.119 --> 00:47:13.380
dialogue in there saying, what happens to my body is my choice.

1035
00:47:13.440 --> 00:47:17.039
You're not taking DNA off me and making people without my

1036
00:47:17.039 --> 00:47:21.000
permission, and I have the right to stop you from doing that.

1037
00:47:21.119 --> 00:47:23.159
Well, they see is in pulling the gun, isn't it?

1038
00:47:23.159 --> 00:47:24.719
and killing a life, I suppose.

1039
00:47:24.780 --> 00:47:29.460
But I mean, that's that's very deliberately portrayed that way.

1040
00:47:29.460 --> 00:47:34.019
And it is a definite pro-choice message and it's really strong for

1041
00:47:34.019 --> 00:47:38.519
an American TV show to do that because they always sort of dance

1042
00:47:38.519 --> 00:47:39.059
around it.

1043
00:47:39.119 --> 00:47:40.800
And look at America now.

1044
00:47:40.920 --> 00:47:45.900
Like America now is there's a huge pro-life contingent that is in

1045
00:47:45.900 --> 00:47:47.519
charge of the government now.

1046
00:47:47.579 --> 00:47:51.360
And so it's a progressive message, which is what Star Trek should

1047
00:47:51.360 --> 00:47:51.659
be doing.

1048
00:47:51.719 --> 00:47:55.380
Literally do this story later in a run in 2nd chances where there

1049
00:47:55.380 --> 00:47:57.000
is a 2nd wheel Riker.

1050
00:47:57.059 --> 00:47:57.480
Yeah.

1051
00:47:57.480 --> 00:47:59.699
And it doesn't diminish him at all.

1052
00:47:59.880 --> 00:48:01.679
So God knows what he's talking about.

1053
00:48:01.739 --> 00:48:03.360
Yeah, exactly.

1054
00:48:03.420 --> 00:48:08.699
And, you know, like triplets are in this, in the cast here, there

1055
00:48:08.699 --> 00:48:09.480
are triplets.

1056
00:48:09.539 --> 00:48:13.019
They're not of less value because there's 3 of them, right?

1057
00:48:13.079 --> 00:48:16.320
Identical twins aren't of less value because they're not unique

1058
00:48:16.320 --> 00:48:17.039
you know.

1059
00:48:17.159 --> 00:48:19.440
What was that line from Picard that?

1060
00:48:19.500 --> 00:48:22.800
That is the thing about series one and 2 that really irritates me

1061
00:48:22.800 --> 00:48:26.159
is that it's stuff that they would, he would never say later.

1062
00:48:26.219 --> 00:48:29.460
He goes, I think you'll find that that opinion would be prevalent

1063
00:48:29.460 --> 00:48:31.199
amongst the enterprise people.

1064
00:48:31.260 --> 00:48:32.099
What?

1065
00:48:32.159 --> 00:48:32.940
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1066
00:48:33.000 --> 00:48:34.860
It's very good. my crew.

1067
00:48:34.920 --> 00:48:36.119
Yeah, yeah.

1068
00:48:36.179 --> 00:48:37.500
The enterprise people.

1069
00:48:37.559 --> 00:48:37.980
Okay.

1070
00:48:38.039 --> 00:48:38.760
Yeah.

1071
00:48:38.940 --> 00:48:44.219
But, yeah, so, I mean, I really like that.

1072
00:48:44.280 --> 00:48:49.500
I think that that Super bold and it is, she, she says, like, she's

1073
00:48:49.500 --> 00:48:53.519
quoted in the, um, in the memory alpha page saying that she

1074
00:48:53.519 --> 00:48:56.159
intended it to be a pro-choice message and that she was given

1075
00:48:56.159 --> 00:48:59.400
support by the production team to include it.

1076
00:48:59.460 --> 00:49:00.900
So good for her.

1077
00:49:00.960 --> 00:49:04.500
I do like Dr. Pulaski there going, oh, Captain, you know, this is

1078
00:49:04.500 --> 00:49:07.380
my one child to see a dying planet of clones.

1079
00:49:07.440 --> 00:49:09.480
Please, can I go down and study them?

1080
00:49:09.840 --> 00:49:13.860
And that replicative fading thing, I think, is well introduced.

1081
00:49:13.920 --> 00:49:15.719
It's super important for the plot.

1082
00:49:15.780 --> 00:49:19.860
We need to know that this cloning thing is a recipe for a

1083
00:49:19.860 --> 00:49:22.559
stagnating and eventually extinct society.

1084
00:49:22.619 --> 00:49:26.760
And later on they say it's got 50 years left maybe at the most.

1085
00:49:26.820 --> 00:49:33.659
Yeah, see, there's 2 of those, the, um, weaver, um, triplets are

1086
00:49:33.659 --> 00:49:34.619
in this scene.

1087
00:49:34.679 --> 00:49:36.300
The camera moves across from one to the other.

1088
00:49:36.360 --> 00:49:39.900
I wouldn't have much to say about these incredibly boring sets.

1089
00:49:39.960 --> 00:49:42.780
So that, I will say that that door they just came in was

1090
00:49:42.780 --> 00:49:43.860
impressively huge.

1091
00:49:43.920 --> 00:49:45.360
Yeah, yeah.

1092
00:49:45.420 --> 00:49:46.559
It's got some scale.

1093
00:49:46.679 --> 00:49:49.980
I think there's sort of pretty decent space sets.

1094
00:49:50.039 --> 00:49:52.139
Hang on a minute, you know.

1095
00:49:52.199 --> 00:49:53.940
Why is one of those doors a sliding door?

1096
00:49:54.000 --> 00:49:55.920
One of them's got a door handle that they open.

1097
00:49:55.980 --> 00:49:57.659
Ah, who knows?

1098
00:49:57.659 --> 00:49:58.380
I can say.

1099
00:49:58.440 --> 00:49:59.519
No consistency.

1100
00:49:59.639 --> 00:50:02.099
Going back to what you were saying a minute ago about the

1101
00:50:02.099 --> 00:50:03.420
contrasting societies.

1102
00:50:03.480 --> 00:50:05.219
It's such a contrast, though.

1103
00:50:05.280 --> 00:50:09.900
I think that's my issue. is the golf between the 2 societies.

1104
00:50:09.960 --> 00:50:14.699
It's so, it's just too obvious, I think.

1105
00:50:14.760 --> 00:50:20.699
But isn't it, it's like that episode of um, Lower Decks where it's

1106
00:50:20.699 --> 00:50:23.099
the cubes versus the 2 years.

1107
00:50:23.159 --> 00:50:24.599
Yep, that's a joke.

1108
00:50:24.780 --> 00:50:28.199
Yeah, but that's a joke.

1109
00:50:28.260 --> 00:50:31.920
It's making fun of that Star Trek thing where you have the 2

1110
00:50:31.920 --> 00:50:36.659
society setup just to make a kind of point about immigration.

1111
00:50:36.719 --> 00:50:41.340
And so the societies take these implausible shapes precisely so he

1112
00:50:41.340 --> 00:50:42.059
can...

1113
00:50:42.059 --> 00:50:45.360
My point is, like, I was waiting for the episode to catch up

1114
00:50:45.360 --> 00:50:46.739
because I'd figured it out.

1115
00:50:46.739 --> 00:50:49.260
The 2nd those boring people turn up.

1116
00:50:49.320 --> 00:50:52.079
That's right Well, that's because you've watched television.

1117
00:50:52.079 --> 00:50:54.900
And I was going through all of this boring stuff with them being

1118
00:50:54.900 --> 00:50:59.639
knocked unconscious and having their memories wiped and needles

1119
00:50:59.639 --> 00:51:02.400
going in and I was like, I know where this is going and it isn't

1120
00:51:02.400 --> 00:51:03.780
going to be clones of Pulaski.

1121
00:51:03.840 --> 00:51:05.340
Yeah, yeah.

1122
00:51:05.400 --> 00:51:06.599
But do you know what I mean?

1123
00:51:06.659 --> 00:51:08.579
there's something happening Do you know what I mean?

1124
00:51:08.639 --> 00:51:11.280
And there is, like, I think we have to have the shot of the big

1125
00:51:11.280 --> 00:51:14.519
needle going into their stomachs in order to make it a physical

1126
00:51:14.519 --> 00:51:16.559
violation that they get to object to.

1127
00:51:16.619 --> 00:51:19.019
So later on when they get told they're assaulted.

1128
00:51:19.079 --> 00:51:21.480
It's our gauge of quality in season two.

1129
00:51:21.539 --> 00:51:23.639
At least something is happening.

1130
00:51:23.699 --> 00:51:27.719
Yeah, well, yes, we did manhunt last time.

1131
00:51:27.780 --> 00:51:30.539
Yeah, that's true.

1132
00:51:30.599 --> 00:51:33.420
We'll take anything as long as it's something.

1133
00:51:33.480 --> 00:51:36.059
But they make it a violation.

1134
00:51:36.119 --> 00:51:39.360
I think it's really good and it does justify the 2 of them just

1135
00:51:39.360 --> 00:51:41.460
saying, actually, we're just going down there and wiping those

1136
00:51:41.460 --> 00:51:42.119
clones out.

1137
00:51:42.179 --> 00:51:45.300
Those are ours and we have the right to say whether they're made

1138
00:51:45.300 --> 00:51:46.619
from us or not.

1139
00:51:46.679 --> 00:51:49.619
And they go down there without permission from the Mariposans

1140
00:51:49.619 --> 00:51:52.500
without permission from Picard and they just do it and they have

1141
00:51:52.500 --> 00:51:53.039
every right to.

1142
00:51:53.099 --> 00:51:55.500
It's like they're unconscious.

1143
00:51:55.559 --> 00:51:58.260
The needle, right, the talk about the memory loss.

1144
00:51:58.320 --> 00:52:00.360
They find the clones, they kill the clones.

1145
00:52:00.420 --> 00:52:02.039
It's just like, what the hell?

1146
00:52:02.159 --> 00:52:03.900
That's a good thing.

1147
00:52:03.960 --> 00:52:05.699
Well, yeah.

1148
00:52:05.699 --> 00:52:07.800
You know, that's a good thing.

1149
00:52:07.860 --> 00:52:10.139
Can we get back to chasing pigs now, please?

1150
00:52:10.199 --> 00:52:11.340
Yeah.

1151
00:52:12.840 --> 00:52:18.420
I mean, even the contrast in the design with these boring gray

1152
00:52:18.420 --> 00:52:21.360
sets compared to the cargo bay full of life.

1153
00:52:21.420 --> 00:52:23.159
The contrast are just so obvious.

1154
00:52:23.219 --> 00:52:25.019
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1155
00:52:25.079 --> 00:52:25.980
But it's deliberate.

1156
00:52:26.039 --> 00:52:27.239
Obviously, it's deliberate.

1157
00:52:27.300 --> 00:52:28.440
It's right there from the beginning.

1158
00:52:28.500 --> 00:52:32.760
It's like the Mariposa was a ship that had spinning wheels and

1159
00:52:32.760 --> 00:52:34.500
supercomputers on board.

1160
00:52:34.619 --> 00:52:36.719
Did they actually say the climax?

1161
00:52:36.780 --> 00:52:37.619
I can't remember, you know.

1162
00:52:37.679 --> 00:52:40.800
You know, I think, I think you can bring a bit of personality to

1163
00:52:40.800 --> 00:52:41.579
our society.

1164
00:52:41.639 --> 00:52:43.079
Do they actually make the point explicit?

1165
00:52:43.139 --> 00:52:44.639
Yeah, oh yeah, absolutely.

1166
00:52:44.699 --> 00:52:45.840
Of course they do.

1167
00:52:45.840 --> 00:52:46.559
I don't know.

1168
00:52:46.619 --> 00:52:48.780
They don't say that.

1169
00:52:48.840 --> 00:52:50.579
But yes, of course, you know, it's very clear.

1170
00:52:50.639 --> 00:52:55.920
And again, you know, this is still Star Trek working out, look

1171
00:52:55.920 --> 00:52:58.619
Star Trek always overexplains, doesn't it?

1172
00:52:58.679 --> 00:53:00.420
Like just always over-explains.

1173
00:53:00.539 --> 00:53:05.340
And it assumed that the audience is a bit dark.

1174
00:53:05.400 --> 00:53:09.599
Yeah, but I mean, we had that in a, you know, like a Deep Space 9

1175
00:53:09.599 --> 00:53:13.139
episode last time. you know, where we had to have things explained

1176
00:53:13.139 --> 00:53:15.539
to us even in a very, very good episode.

1177
00:53:15.599 --> 00:53:17.400
Yeah, look, there's all 3 of them.

1178
00:53:17.460 --> 00:53:19.980
All 3 of them behind the Prime Minister.

1179
00:53:20.039 --> 00:53:23.219
All 3 of the weavers. as well.

1180
00:53:23.280 --> 00:53:25.679
Oh, yeah.

1181
00:53:25.739 --> 00:53:28.559
Oh, actually, one's a bit shorter.

1182
00:53:28.619 --> 00:53:29.340
Oh dear.

1183
00:53:32.159 --> 00:53:35.639
We're talking about the clones sort of going wrong, weren't they?

1184
00:53:35.699 --> 00:53:37.980
So one can be a little bit shorter, I guess.

1185
00:53:38.039 --> 00:53:39.360
Yeah, yeah.

1186
00:53:39.420 --> 00:53:41.039
Replicative fading, it's called.

1187
00:53:41.099 --> 00:53:43.920
Do we ever do clones again in Star Trek?

1188
00:53:43.980 --> 00:53:46.019
I don't know actually.

1189
00:53:46.079 --> 00:53:47.639
Yeah, I don't know.

1190
00:53:48.000 --> 00:53:49.920
Isn't that funny?

1191
00:53:50.039 --> 00:53:52.019
You would think it might be a thing that they do all the time.

1192
00:53:52.079 --> 00:53:53.519
It doesn't become a thing.

1193
00:53:53.579 --> 00:53:58.619
I guess, you know, we don't have genetic engineering and stuff in

1194
00:53:58.619 --> 00:53:59.460
Star Trek.

1195
00:53:59.519 --> 00:54:02.699
Like they just decide to make that a thing and that sticks for

1196
00:54:02.699 --> 00:54:06.960
some reason and they use it as a story thing, even in strange new

1197
00:54:06.960 --> 00:54:07.320
world.

1198
00:54:07.500 --> 00:54:11.280
Yeah, this, we have the right to exercise control over our

1199
00:54:11.280 --> 00:54:12.480
bodies.

1200
00:54:12.480 --> 00:54:15.119
And then Pulanski says, yes, I agree.

1201
00:54:15.179 --> 00:54:16.619
You won't get any argument from me.

1202
00:54:16.679 --> 00:54:17.280
It's pretty good.

1203
00:54:17.340 --> 00:54:19.079
Oh, here's true.

1204
00:54:19.139 --> 00:54:21.000
I delivering a 5 lines of the episode.

1205
00:54:21.059 --> 00:54:23.400
Thanks for turning up, Marina.

1206
00:54:26.880 --> 00:54:28.320
Yes.

1207
00:54:28.440 --> 00:54:32.039
So this is where we kind of say the Mariposans are basically

1208
00:54:32.039 --> 00:54:35.519
doomed. 15 generation seems like a while, but like whatever.

1209
00:54:35.579 --> 00:54:38.159
So what is their aversion to having sex?

1210
00:54:38.219 --> 00:54:39.960
They just find it a bit repugnant.

1211
00:54:40.019 --> 00:54:40.619
Is that what they say?

1212
00:54:40.679 --> 00:54:41.820
It's a bit gross.

1213
00:54:41.880 --> 00:54:47.519
No, they, again, for some reason, there's only 5 of them left, and

1214
00:54:47.519 --> 00:54:51.119
they decide that they're not going to have sex anymore.

1215
00:54:51.719 --> 00:54:55.980
Imagine all the clones, you know, Avenue, all the gene pole would

1216
00:54:55.980 --> 00:54:58.019
be...

1217
00:54:58.079 --> 00:55:01.500
Well, they, yeah, but I mean, the gene pool's a problem anyway

1218
00:55:01.500 --> 00:55:02.039
isn't it?

1219
00:55:02.099 --> 00:55:06.000
Because they're just using the same genomes over and over again.

1220
00:55:06.059 --> 00:55:09.059
They have 5 genomes that they keep copying into different people

1221
00:55:09.059 --> 00:55:10.380
you know, which is the problem.

1222
00:55:10.440 --> 00:55:15.480
Only we had a load of beautiful ladies in the cargo bay waiting to

1223
00:55:15.480 --> 00:55:16.559
be breaking men.

1224
00:55:16.619 --> 00:55:18.059
Yeah, that's right.

1225
00:55:18.840 --> 00:55:22.380
That's the conclusion we're drawing.

1226
00:55:22.800 --> 00:55:24.659
Oh, Gene.

1227
00:55:27.719 --> 00:55:31.500
I quite like this beard now where Danilo goes on about how many

1228
00:55:31.500 --> 00:55:33.179
women he's going to have it off with.

1229
00:55:33.239 --> 00:55:34.679
I was like, oh, boy.

1230
00:55:38.039 --> 00:55:41.280
You're no prize yourself, and that's true.

1231
00:55:41.340 --> 00:55:42.480
I think that's excellent.

1232
00:55:42.539 --> 00:55:43.800
It's kind of like, shut up.

1233
00:55:45.000 --> 00:55:48.539
I do like his objections, though, because he's so rude.

1234
00:55:48.599 --> 00:55:51.960
He goes, it would take so long just to educate these people, you

1235
00:55:51.960 --> 00:55:52.380
know.

1236
00:55:52.440 --> 00:55:55.739
Yeah, but like he says, do you know what I mean?

1237
00:55:55.800 --> 00:55:58.800
Like they've survived for 100s of years and they've farmed and

1238
00:55:58.800 --> 00:56:02.340
they've, you know, they've managed to create a more successful

1239
00:56:02.340 --> 00:56:06.000
society than the Mariposans have, you know, just because they

1240
00:56:06.000 --> 00:56:06.900
don't have technology.

1241
00:56:06.960 --> 00:56:10.800
They're not weirdos who never have sex and can't enjoy themselves

1242
00:56:10.800 --> 00:56:11.760
in any way.

1243
00:56:11.820 --> 00:56:12.780
Do you know what I mean?

1244
00:56:12.900 --> 00:56:16.440
Like, the Bring Gloydia better than the Mariposans, I think.

1245
00:56:16.500 --> 00:56:18.059
Occasionally, I like early Picard.

1246
00:56:18.119 --> 00:56:20.760
Later on, he becomes a bit too much of a diplomat.

1247
00:56:20.820 --> 00:56:24.539
He went there, I will not allow posturing and bigotry to ruin this

1248
00:56:24.539 --> 00:56:25.079
media.

1249
00:56:25.139 --> 00:56:25.860
Now sit out.

1250
00:56:26.940 --> 00:56:27.900
Yeah, that's pretty cool.

1251
00:56:27.960 --> 00:56:29.099
Oh, and then you get fine.

1252
00:56:29.099 --> 00:56:30.000
Destroy yourself.

1253
00:56:30.059 --> 00:56:30.539
Fine.

1254
00:56:30.539 --> 00:56:31.860
Fine.

1255
00:56:32.699 --> 00:56:35.280
I meant for Pulasti.

1256
00:56:35.340 --> 00:56:38.639
We'll just move in in 50 years time, they'll all be dead and we'll

1257
00:56:38.639 --> 00:56:39.840
just move into their cities.

1258
00:56:40.320 --> 00:56:44.039
They're quiet, you might make the pair of reminisce, man.

1259
00:56:44.099 --> 00:56:45.119
Pretty good.

1260
00:56:45.179 --> 00:56:48.480
You'll see, Sus Picard, the end's closer than you think.

1261
00:56:48.539 --> 00:56:49.860
Yeah.

1262
00:56:49.920 --> 00:56:54.059
And because, of course, their planet's uninhabitable, isn't it?

1263
00:56:54.119 --> 00:56:55.800
The ringloidy have to move.

1264
00:56:55.860 --> 00:56:57.659
Like they have to go somewhere.

1265
00:56:57.719 --> 00:56:59.760
And this, we're decent hard-working people.

1266
00:56:59.820 --> 00:57:02.579
We're willing to learn. at least not stupid. lovely.

1267
00:57:02.639 --> 00:57:03.300
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1268
00:57:03.360 --> 00:57:04.079
Although we do.

1269
00:57:04.139 --> 00:57:07.320
I mean, the very idea, Nathan, that the greatest horror that these

1270
00:57:07.320 --> 00:57:10.500
people can imagine is a group of Irish immigrants moving in.

1271
00:57:10.559 --> 00:57:14.699
I mean, Yeah, they're super racist.

1272
00:57:14.760 --> 00:57:17.099
They're really bad racist, aren't they?

1273
00:57:17.159 --> 00:57:20.340
I mean, that is a prevalent opinion, you know, in England

1274
00:57:20.340 --> 00:57:20.880
sometimes.

1275
00:57:21.239 --> 00:57:25.139
Oh, no, it has been absolutely for decades, it has.

1276
00:57:25.199 --> 00:57:27.300
You know, like it's a long-standing thing.

1277
00:57:27.360 --> 00:57:32.219
And maybe, maybe having real immigrants instead of, you know, like

1278
00:57:32.219 --> 00:57:36.179
made up immigrants, like real recognisable, I mean, oh, far too

1279
00:57:36.179 --> 00:57:38.519
recognisable immigrants, maybe that's better.

1280
00:57:38.579 --> 00:57:39.119
I don't know.

1281
00:57:39.179 --> 00:57:42.599
Nocamus marriage won't be possible for several generations.

1282
00:57:43.559 --> 00:57:45.360
What will we do?

1283
00:57:45.480 --> 00:57:50.519
It would be best if each woman, 0 God, has at least 3 children

1284
00:57:50.519 --> 00:57:52.860
with 3 different men.

1285
00:57:52.920 --> 00:57:54.599
Oh boy.

1286
00:57:57.000 --> 00:58:01.019
But this is this is horny Star Trek, isn't it?

1287
00:58:02.400 --> 00:58:07.619
Look, Riker, Picard is giving a little smile there at the prospect

1288
00:58:08.099 --> 00:58:10.860
around the table going, should I what?

1289
00:58:10.920 --> 00:58:12.900
I think I might go down to this planet, actually.

1290
00:58:13.199 --> 00:58:15.179
Oh, come on holiday.

1291
00:58:15.300 --> 00:58:17.400
I could be one of the men.

1292
00:58:17.760 --> 00:58:19.679
Oh, boy.

1293
00:58:19.679 --> 00:58:22.320
I've got to have sex with all of the Goldman ladies.

1294
00:58:22.380 --> 00:58:25.739
Why do people spit on their hands before they shake them?

1295
00:58:25.800 --> 00:58:27.059
I just don't understand.

1296
00:58:27.119 --> 00:58:27.900
Yeah.

1297
00:58:28.559 --> 00:58:31.079
I'm up to stake out my free women.

1298
00:58:31.260 --> 00:58:35.940
And then send in the clones, he says, which is the original title

1299
00:58:35.940 --> 00:58:36.780
of the episode.

1300
00:58:36.840 --> 00:58:39.059
So he gets the original title of the episode.

1301
00:58:39.119 --> 00:58:43.320
And in fact, it's still called sending the clones when the scripts

1302
00:58:43.320 --> 00:58:44.880
are printed and distributed.

1303
00:58:44.940 --> 00:58:45.840
So it's a late change.

1304
00:58:45.900 --> 00:58:48.239
I think I would have called just send in the clones, you know.

1305
00:58:48.780 --> 00:58:54.179
Yeah, it's a bit of a sort of ridiculous kind of gag though, isn't

1306
00:58:54.179 --> 00:58:54.360
it?

1307
00:58:54.420 --> 00:58:57.239
Look at the lady's plumping up the cushions.

1308
00:58:57.300 --> 00:58:58.860
Well, I guess we're off to the planet.

1309
00:58:59.579 --> 00:59:01.500
This is really cute.

1310
00:59:01.559 --> 00:59:03.119
Like, it's a pregnant woman.

1311
00:59:03.179 --> 00:59:04.739
I really like it's a pregnant woman.

1312
00:59:04.800 --> 00:59:07.500
He reaches out to touch her, but then decides not to because don't

1313
00:59:07.500 --> 00:59:09.420
touch pregnant women without their permission.

1314
00:59:09.480 --> 00:59:14.519
But he's super interested because he's never seen a pregnant woman

1315
00:59:14.519 --> 00:59:18.000
before a pregnancy before because there hasn't been one on his

1316
00:59:18.000 --> 00:59:19.139
planet for 100s of years.

1317
00:59:19.199 --> 00:59:22.199
And I would have loved...

1318
00:59:22.199 --> 00:59:24.840
Lower decks to a show knows how this, you know, what happened

1319
00:59:24.840 --> 00:59:25.679
after.

1320
00:59:25.920 --> 00:59:28.500
I reckon they had a great time.

1321
00:59:28.559 --> 00:59:31.679
I reckon that these guys learned to loosen up. because they

1322
00:59:31.679 --> 00:59:34.559
realised, holy shit, why did we not have sex for centuries?

1323
00:59:34.559 --> 00:59:36.059
Why did we not have whiskey?

1324
00:59:36.119 --> 00:59:38.099
They're like, all drunk, we're in a week.

1325
00:59:38.579 --> 00:59:40.079
Yeah.

1326
00:59:42.059 --> 00:59:43.800
She's so great.

1327
00:59:43.860 --> 00:59:46.679
She comes in and goes, why did you never stop to consider the

1328
00:59:46.679 --> 00:59:47.940
women, Captain Picard?

1329
00:59:48.000 --> 00:59:49.800
Actually, that's...

1330
00:59:49.860 --> 00:59:52.440
She could be talking about the Star Trek writers there, couldn't

1331
00:59:52.440 --> 00:59:52.679
she?

1332
00:59:54.900 --> 00:59:58.260
But like...

1333
00:59:58.320 --> 01:00:01.139
Oh, I didn't want to be if I want to be Eve.

1334
01:00:01.199 --> 01:00:01.739
Come on.

1335
01:00:02.039 --> 01:00:05.940
That's odd, isn't it, for Star Trek as well?

1336
01:00:06.000 --> 01:00:09.059
Or just the religious anything?

1337
01:00:09.119 --> 01:00:10.440
Yeah, just a religious reference.

1338
01:00:10.500 --> 01:00:11.340
Yeah, that's right.

1339
01:00:11.880 --> 01:00:17.400
And this, like, I love how he persuades her, and she accepts it

1340
01:00:17.400 --> 01:00:20.699
and then she learns, of course, that she gets to have sex.

1341
01:00:20.760 --> 01:00:23.219
She gets to have 3 men, 3 men at her beck and call.

1342
01:00:23.280 --> 01:00:26.039
But she's got to choose the men of status, of course.

1343
01:00:26.099 --> 01:00:29.460
And she's also been shown to be responsible.

1344
01:00:29.519 --> 01:00:30.360
Do you know what I mean?

1345
01:00:30.420 --> 01:00:33.179
She's not just hectoring the men because she's a scold.

1346
01:00:33.239 --> 01:00:36.539
She's hectoring the men because all of the responsibility for

1347
01:00:36.539 --> 01:00:40.800
looking after and fostering this colony has just fallen on her and

1348
01:00:40.800 --> 01:00:42.780
the women because the men are kind of losers.

1349
01:00:42.900 --> 01:00:44.639
Well, say euphemism?

1350
01:00:44.699 --> 01:00:46.500
He might have 2 coins to rub together.

1351
01:00:46.559 --> 01:00:50.519
Uh, no, I think I think that just means he's going to be wealthy.

1352
01:00:50.579 --> 01:00:54.840
You know, we were trying to snag Picard as a husband as the owner

1353
01:00:54.840 --> 01:00:59.579
of this ship as husband for Brenna earlier, and now she's going to

1354
01:00:59.579 --> 01:01:02.099
have the Prime Minister, and...

1355
01:01:02.099 --> 01:01:05.760
Sweetly just sort of skipped up to him, then, the Prime Minister.

1356
01:01:05.820 --> 01:01:09.480
Oh, she outclasses him so much.

1357
01:01:09.539 --> 01:01:12.360
He absolutely doesn't deserve her.

1358
01:01:12.420 --> 01:01:14.639
She's in the middle of his legs.

1359
01:01:14.699 --> 01:01:16.559
You don't have to be charming off. absolutely.

1360
01:01:16.619 --> 01:01:18.300
Yeah, yeah, you are beautiful.

1361
01:01:18.360 --> 01:01:22.860
Um, yeah, what a strange episode.

1362
01:01:22.920 --> 01:01:24.059
That is.

1363
01:01:24.119 --> 01:01:28.559
Like, like, kind of strange, but like, I really enjoy talking

1364
01:01:28.559 --> 01:01:29.039
about that.

1365
01:01:29.099 --> 01:01:32.579
I don't think it's the atrocity that everyone says it is.

1366
01:01:32.639 --> 01:01:33.599
I really don't.

1367
01:01:33.659 --> 01:01:34.500
It's early.

1368
01:01:34.559 --> 01:01:38.159
It fails in all sorts of ways, but it's trying to do something

1369
01:01:38.159 --> 01:01:42.239
Star Trek-y and absolutely succeeding at it.

1370
01:01:42.300 --> 01:01:45.480
It's just a little bit embarrassing.

1371
01:01:45.539 --> 01:01:49.920
And I think maybe that's what we can't forgive. be redefining a

1372
01:01:49.920 --> 01:01:51.000
little bit in places.

1373
01:01:51.059 --> 01:01:52.500
Maybe.

1374
01:01:52.559 --> 01:01:54.059
Maybe it's quite embarrassing.

1375
01:01:54.119 --> 01:01:56.760
But the embarrassment isn't everywhere.

1376
01:01:56.820 --> 01:01:58.199
And it is early Star Trek.

1377
01:01:58.260 --> 01:02:02.099
I mean, early Star Trek, these 1st 2 seasons are pretty rough, I

1378
01:02:02.099 --> 01:02:05.099
think, but I think this is a pretty lively one.

1379
01:02:05.159 --> 01:02:09.539
I appreciate that Melinda Snodgross went in with a very worthy

1380
01:02:09.539 --> 01:02:10.440
message.

1381
01:02:11.519 --> 01:02:14.159
And yeah, I think you're right.

1382
01:02:14.219 --> 01:02:16.679
It's not her fault that what hits the screen.

1383
01:02:16.739 --> 01:02:21.960
And I think it's a mixture of um, Maurice Hurley's rewrites and

1384
01:02:21.960 --> 01:02:26.039
you know, pushing pushing the Irish stuff and Rick Colby's

1385
01:02:26.039 --> 01:02:30.480
inability to drive any subtlety in some of those scenes in the

1386
01:02:30.480 --> 01:02:34.559
cargo bay um, that sort of pushes the stereotypes over the edge.

1387
01:02:35.460 --> 01:02:41.519
But that message is a positive one, and let's be honest, not a lot

1388
01:02:41.519 --> 01:02:43.260
of season one or two.

1389
01:02:43.320 --> 01:02:48.119
Well, I mean, if they've got messages, they're sort of blatant

1390
01:02:48.119 --> 01:02:48.599
aren't they?

1391
01:02:48.659 --> 01:02:49.739
and embarrassing.

1392
01:02:50.099 --> 01:02:53.460
For once, this has good intentions.

1393
01:02:53.940 --> 01:02:57.900
Yeah, no, there's 2 progressive messages in here, which I think

1394
01:02:57.900 --> 01:02:59.159
are pretty good.

1395
01:02:59.219 --> 01:03:03.780
And I don't think that it's anything like the worst episode of

1396
01:03:03.780 --> 01:03:04.380
series 2.

1397
01:03:04.619 --> 01:03:08.159
Like, and that's a pretty faint praise, but I think there are

1398
01:03:08.159 --> 01:03:09.539
plenty of people who think it is.

1399
01:03:09.599 --> 01:03:11.639
And when we rolled it, do you know what I mean?

1400
01:03:11.699 --> 01:03:14.280
Like we rolled it and you said, oh, it's not up the long ladder, is

1401
01:03:14.280 --> 01:03:14.460
it?

1402
01:03:14.519 --> 01:03:15.659
And I said, yes, it was.

1403
01:03:15.719 --> 01:03:19.440
And it's kind of like, because that's like, you know, the worst

1404
01:03:19.440 --> 01:03:20.519
one we can imagine.

1405
01:03:20.579 --> 01:03:23.340
Remember back in the day when we'd try and roll a Voyager and I

1406
01:03:23.340 --> 01:03:26.039
would always say, it's going to be threshold, it's going to be

1407
01:03:26.039 --> 01:03:29.280
threshold, and that is generally... came eventually, didn't it?

1408
01:03:29.340 --> 01:03:29.940
That's right.

1409
01:03:30.000 --> 01:03:33.179
And a much worse episode than this, let's say.

1410
01:03:33.239 --> 01:03:36.719
But this is by no means the worst episode of the season.

1411
01:03:36.780 --> 01:03:37.500
It's lively.

1412
01:03:37.559 --> 01:03:38.699
It's intending to do something.

1413
01:03:38.760 --> 01:03:43.019
It stumbles in the way that this early Star Trek always stumbles

1414
01:03:43.019 --> 01:03:47.940
and it's a bit embarrassing in places, but like it's pretty

1415
01:03:47.940 --> 01:03:49.019
functional, I think.

1416
01:03:49.079 --> 01:03:51.179
I don't think it's as terrible as everyone says.

1417
01:03:51.239 --> 01:03:52.739
They're getting there.

1418
01:03:52.800 --> 01:03:54.719
They're not there yet.

1419
01:03:54.780 --> 01:04:00.119
They're on much better episodes immediately before this and after

1420
01:04:00.119 --> 01:04:02.039
Manhunt immediately after this.

1421
01:04:02.760 --> 01:04:08.099
So the show is coming along and it is just about to flourish.

1422
01:04:08.159 --> 01:04:10.320
But just for the Pulaski stuff alone.

1423
01:04:10.380 --> 01:04:13.019
I thought this was well worth a watch.

1424
01:04:13.079 --> 01:04:14.219
Yeah.

1425
01:04:14.280 --> 01:04:17.400
And I think I think too, there's something about season two.

1426
01:04:17.460 --> 01:04:21.059
This is our 2nd season 2 episode that we've done of Star Trek, the

1427
01:04:21.059 --> 01:04:25.320
Next Generation, and season 2 is different from season one and

1428
01:04:25.320 --> 01:04:27.780
different from seasons 3 to 7.

1429
01:04:27.840 --> 01:04:31.139
And it's different in an interesting way sometimes.

1430
01:04:31.199 --> 01:04:33.780
Manhunt had basically nothing going for it.

1431
01:04:33.840 --> 01:04:37.920
But these structures are story in a way that would never, ever fly

1432
01:04:37.920 --> 01:04:40.019
in the later seasons of Star Trek.

1433
01:04:40.079 --> 01:04:44.519
And it was interesting to just see that and think about why they

1434
01:04:44.519 --> 01:04:45.539
were structuring it like that.

1435
01:04:45.599 --> 01:04:51.360
And just, just for the fact that we've sat through so many hideous

1436
01:04:51.360 --> 01:04:55.019
chaste, just unsexy romances.

1437
01:04:55.079 --> 01:04:58.440
The fact that they managed to pull off one scene where you and I

1438
01:04:58.440 --> 01:05:01.559
were getting a bit hot under the collar in 90s track.

1439
01:05:01.619 --> 01:05:03.480
Bravo up the long ladder.

1440
01:05:09.780 --> 01:05:15.539
All right, it's the end of the episode, and after this triumphant

1441
01:05:15.539 --> 01:05:21.420
success, it's time for us to pick another almost certainly worse

1442
01:05:21.420 --> 01:05:23.159
episode of Star Trek.

1443
01:05:23.219 --> 01:05:27.719
And to that end, I've handed the randomiser over to Joe, what

1444
01:05:27.719 --> 01:05:29.460
series are we going to be choosing from?

1445
01:05:29.579 --> 01:05:31.199
Fingers crossed.

1446
01:05:31.260 --> 01:05:33.960
It's less culturally insensitive, but let's find out.

1447
01:05:34.019 --> 01:05:35.340
Let's find out.

1448
01:05:35.400 --> 01:05:39.900
Well, I mean, we've been sort of series specific for quite some

1449
01:05:39.900 --> 01:05:40.320
time now.

1450
01:05:40.380 --> 01:05:45.059
I haven't done my delightful all the franchise except the movies

1451
01:05:45.059 --> 01:05:45.420
of course.

1452
01:05:45.480 --> 01:05:48.000
So let's give it a go, shall we?

1453
01:05:48.059 --> 01:05:49.980
Oh, okay, that's exciting.

1454
01:05:50.219 --> 01:05:51.900
Okay.

1455
01:05:51.960 --> 01:05:56.940
Your random Star Trek Voyager episode is season five, episode one

1456
01:05:56.940 --> 01:05:58.199
night.

1457
01:05:58.440 --> 01:06:00.300
Ooh.

1458
01:06:00.360 --> 01:06:02.940
I don't think that's a very good episode, is it?

1459
01:06:03.000 --> 01:06:05.940
It's the one where Janeway suddenly remembers the premise of the

1460
01:06:05.940 --> 01:06:10.679
show and she's responsible for bringing them into the Delta

1461
01:06:10.679 --> 01:06:12.000
Quadrant 5 years into the show.

1462
01:06:12.539 --> 01:06:15.780
Yeah, it's kind of like resetting.

1463
01:06:15.840 --> 01:06:18.840
It's like a series 2 episode one because we kind of retool the

1464
01:06:18.840 --> 01:06:22.139
show at the beginning of series 4 by introducing 7.

1465
01:06:22.199 --> 01:06:26.219
And so we resolve the 7 plot in hope and fear, I think.

1466
01:06:26.280 --> 01:06:29.579
And then we're now trying to find something else to do.

1467
01:06:29.639 --> 01:06:35.940
I always think that it's better than I end up finding it is my

1468
01:06:35.940 --> 01:06:36.300
experience.

1469
01:06:36.420 --> 01:06:39.480
I mean, I love the idea that they're in that regional space with

1470
01:06:39.480 --> 01:06:41.820
no styles and everyone's getting a bit stir crazy.

1471
01:06:41.880 --> 01:06:45.179
I just I like it when Voyager goes to sort of unusual places.

1472
01:06:45.239 --> 01:06:48.659
But it is a conclusion that Jane Roy perhaps should have reached

1473
01:06:48.659 --> 01:06:50.400
halfway through season one.

1474
01:06:50.460 --> 01:06:52.619
Yeah, to be late.

1475
01:06:52.679 --> 01:06:54.119
Let's go for something else shall we?

1476
01:06:54.179 --> 01:06:54.840
Okay.

1477
01:06:54.960 --> 01:06:57.119
Oh, Voyager again.

1478
01:06:57.179 --> 01:06:58.800
No, we ain't doing this one.

1479
01:06:58.860 --> 01:06:59.340
I'm sorry.

1480
01:06:59.400 --> 01:07:02.280
We skipped it a couple of weeks ago and we're skipping it now.

1481
01:07:02.340 --> 01:07:07.079
Season 5 again, episode five, once upon time.

1482
01:07:07.139 --> 01:07:09.960
The Adventures of Naomi Wildman and Neelix.

1483
01:07:10.079 --> 01:07:11.880
No, Nick.

1484
01:07:11.940 --> 01:07:13.619
Yeah, maybe not.

1485
01:07:13.679 --> 01:07:16.260
Some other time. keep going again.

1486
01:07:16.320 --> 01:07:18.239
Okay, what's this?

1487
01:07:18.300 --> 01:07:24.840
Your random Star Trek Deep Space 9 episode is season 3, episode 24

1488
01:07:24.840 --> 01:07:27.420
Shakar.

1489
01:07:27.480 --> 01:07:30.179
So I think that's the one where he 1st comes along, Bajoran

1490
01:07:30.179 --> 01:07:34.019
politics, Kai Wynn, sort of declaring war on him.

1491
01:07:34.079 --> 01:07:35.159
Nah, let's keep going.

1492
01:07:35.219 --> 01:07:36.179
I don't know.

1493
01:07:36.179 --> 01:07:37.320
He's so boring.

1494
01:07:37.800 --> 01:07:44.219
Oh, oh, oh, oh, it would be another TNG again, though, and it is

1495
01:07:44.219 --> 01:07:45.300
a...

1496
01:07:45.300 --> 01:07:46.739
It is a two-parter.

1497
01:07:46.860 --> 01:07:51.780
Oh, I'm probably up for a two-parter, I think.

1498
01:07:51.840 --> 01:07:55.980
Your round of Star Trek, the next generation episode is season

1499
01:07:55.980 --> 01:07:59.519
four, episode one, the best of both worlds, part two.

1500
01:07:59.639 --> 01:08:03.840
So we would do both best of both worlds. one and part two.

1501
01:08:03.900 --> 01:08:04.380
Yeah.

1502
01:08:04.440 --> 01:08:04.980
Yeah.

1503
01:08:05.039 --> 01:08:08.579
Well, I think so soon after doing hegemony as well.

1504
01:08:08.639 --> 01:08:11.820
That's kind of super interesting. would be interesting.

1505
01:08:11.880 --> 01:08:12.840
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1506
01:08:12.900 --> 01:08:15.960
And I think. you know, obviously there are wonderful things to say

1507
01:08:15.960 --> 01:08:17.340
about the best of both whales.

1508
01:08:17.399 --> 01:08:21.359
But I think there are some criticisms to level towards the end as

1509
01:08:21.359 --> 01:08:21.600
well.

1510
01:08:21.899 --> 01:08:24.300
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1511
01:08:24.359 --> 01:08:27.659
I think it is pretty amazing and it's a huge moment, I think, in

1512
01:08:27.659 --> 01:08:29.880
television history of the 1980s.

1513
01:08:29.939 --> 01:08:33.479
Like it's a pretty significant thing that they decide to do.

1514
01:08:33.539 --> 01:08:35.760
And I remember watching it at the time.

1515
01:08:35.760 --> 01:08:41.579
It was the longest summer I can ever remember. for the 2nd episode

1516
01:08:41.640 --> 01:08:42.659
amazing, isn't it?

1517
01:08:42.720 --> 01:08:43.140
Yeah.

1518
01:08:43.199 --> 01:08:48.060
I mean, I think I think they hunted for that moment again and

1519
01:08:48.060 --> 01:08:52.859
again in 90s trek and maybe they only came close once or twice.

1520
01:08:53.159 --> 01:08:54.840
Scorpion?

1521
01:08:54.899 --> 01:08:58.800
Yeah, I think the end of call to arms.

1522
01:08:58.800 --> 01:08:59.699
That's quite a good job.

1523
01:08:59.760 --> 01:09:01.260
You know, that promised of a big fight.

1524
01:09:01.319 --> 01:09:04.020
Or do you remember the Dominion pouring out of the wormhole in

1525
01:09:04.020 --> 01:09:05.699
that 2 parter?

1526
01:09:05.760 --> 01:09:08.760
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1527
01:09:08.819 --> 01:09:11.939
But again, like the season finale thing isn't something that Deep

1528
01:09:11.939 --> 01:09:13.319
Space 9 ends up doing.

1529
01:09:13.380 --> 01:09:15.539
It deliberately shies away from it.

1530
01:09:15.600 --> 01:09:19.800
And what it tends to do is introduce a massive development in the

1531
01:09:19.800 --> 01:09:23.880
final episode, which we then come back to see how that plays out.

1532
01:09:23.939 --> 01:09:26.939
So it's not quite too parters, is it?

1533
01:09:27.000 --> 01:09:29.220
I can't remember a better.

1534
01:09:29.699 --> 01:09:33.060
I mean, I was young, but I can't remember a better how the fuck

1535
01:09:33.060 --> 01:09:34.560
are they going to get out of this?

1536
01:09:34.619 --> 01:09:37.140
Because Picard was on that ship?

1537
01:09:37.199 --> 01:09:42.359
And it was either kill Picard or the ship goes to earth and we're

1538
01:09:42.359 --> 01:09:42.840
all dead.

1539
01:09:42.899 --> 01:09:44.460
And as a child.

1540
01:09:44.520 --> 01:09:46.920
I was just like, I couldn't think of a way out of it.

1541
01:09:46.979 --> 01:09:51.000
Unfortunately, the ultimate explanation is terrible.

1542
01:09:51.060 --> 01:09:54.119
It's so... very boring.

1543
01:09:54.180 --> 01:09:57.180
But for the summer, I was really thinking about it.

1544
01:09:57.239 --> 01:09:57.899
Yeah, yeah.

1545
01:09:57.960 --> 01:09:58.800
No, huge.

1546
01:09:58.859 --> 01:10:01.920
An absolutely huge moment, which is why I think Strangely Worlds

1547
01:10:01.920 --> 01:10:05.159
went back there at the end of series 2 in the beginning of series

1548
01:10:05.159 --> 01:10:05.520
three.

1549
01:10:05.579 --> 01:10:09.840
The irony would be if we enjoy it less than up the long ladder.

1550
01:10:10.859 --> 01:10:22.859
I'll see what I can do We've been listening to Untitled Star Trek

1551
01:10:22.859 --> 01:10:25.020
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1552
01:10:25.079 --> 01:10:28.560
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1553
01:10:28.560 --> 01:10:31.439
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1554
01:10:31.439 --> 01:10:35.159
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1555
01:10:35.159 --> 01:10:36.720
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1556
01:10:36.840 --> 01:10:41.159
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1557
01:10:41.159 --> 01:10:43.260
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1558
01:10:43.319 --> 01:10:46.680
We'll see you next time for Star Trek the Next Generation, the

1559
01:10:46.680 --> 01:10:49.500
best of both worlds, and the best of both worlds, part two.

1560
01:11:04.560 --> 01:11:06.600
That was fun.

1561
01:11:06.659 --> 01:11:07.260
Oh, that was great.

1562
01:11:08.279 --> 01:11:09.300
It was really good.

1563
01:11:09.300 --> 01:11:10.319
It was really good.

1564
01:11:10.380 --> 01:11:12.420
What does jamma give it?

1565
01:11:12.479 --> 01:11:15.000
I didn't even like...

1566
01:11:15.060 --> 01:11:16.140
I dread to think.

1567
01:11:16.199 --> 01:11:17.520
I'm gonna check.

1568
01:11:19.020 --> 01:11:21.840
I always like seeing what would have come next.

1569
01:11:22.199 --> 01:11:26.340
I bet he gives it a...

1570
01:11:28.079 --> 01:11:32.100
Oh, no, I should have gone one more fuck.

1571
01:11:32.279 --> 01:11:33.960
What did you get?

1572
01:11:34.020 --> 01:11:35.399
Oh, could have been anything.

1573
01:11:35.460 --> 01:11:37.319
I got emissary.

1574
01:11:37.380 --> 01:11:41.579
Oh, I would love for us to have done one day, one day.

1575
01:11:42.420 --> 01:11:48.239
We haven't actually done that many 2 parts, you know, given... gives

1576
01:11:48.239 --> 01:11:48.720
it one.

1577
01:11:48.779 --> 01:11:50.340
5 5 . one.

1578
01:11:50.460 --> 01:11:50.819
5 .

1579
01:11:50.880 --> 01:11:52.439
I'd probably give it a bim.

1580
01:11:54.119 --> 01:11:57.359
Yeah, I thought he would give it a bam.

1581
01:11:57.420 --> 01:12:00.539
The solution proposed to the end is hammered together as an

1582
01:12:00.539 --> 01:12:03.180
exercise inconvenient TNG ultra simplicity.

1583
01:12:03.479 --> 01:12:08.699
But, like, it's that sort of thing, but, like he says, oh, it must

1584
01:12:08.699 --> 01:12:11.579
be solved using the available variables at hand.

1585
01:12:11.640 --> 01:12:14.100
But she didn't make up the stories that went along.

1586
01:12:14.159 --> 01:12:17.939
Like she knew where we were going and so she created the available

1587
01:12:17.939 --> 01:12:21.420
variables to hand in order for that to be a solution to the

1588
01:12:21.420 --> 01:12:21.779
problem.

1589
01:12:21.840 --> 01:12:22.619
Do you know what I mean?

1590
01:12:22.680 --> 01:12:26.220
Like it's a bad bit of criticism because it's kind of like, oh, how

1591
01:12:26.220 --> 01:12:27.300
are we going to solve this problem?

1592
01:12:27.359 --> 01:12:28.199
Oh, that's right.

1593
01:12:28.260 --> 01:12:30.180
We've got some Irish people in the thing?

1594
01:12:30.239 --> 01:12:31.140
Do you know what I mean?

1595
01:12:31.199 --> 01:12:32.640
Like, that's not how this works.

1596
01:12:32.699 --> 01:12:35.220
Oh, I did in the episode, didn't I?

1597
01:12:35.279 --> 01:12:36.720
just waiting for the characters to catch up.

1598
01:12:36.779 --> 01:12:38.100
She's reached a conclusion.

1599
01:12:38.159 --> 01:12:39.779
It's just not there.

1600
01:12:39.840 --> 01:12:41.279
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1601
01:12:41.340 --> 01:12:43.140
Yeah, no, that's no good.

1602
01:12:43.199 --> 01:12:44.159
Bad Gemma.

1603
01:12:44.220 --> 01:12:46.560
But he doesn't like fun, does he?

1604
01:12:46.619 --> 01:12:47.100
remember that.

1605
01:12:47.159 --> 01:12:48.539
You know, he hates Rome.

1606
01:12:48.600 --> 01:12:49.500
Rum, for God's sakes.

1607
01:12:49.560 --> 01:12:50.279
Who hates rum?

1608
01:12:50.340 --> 01:12:52.319
Yeah, that's absurd.

1609
01:12:52.380 --> 01:12:53.279
That's just ridiculous.

1610
01:12:53.279 --> 01:12:54.539
He does hate fun.

1611
01:12:54.600 --> 01:12:55.500
He hates litres.

1612
01:12:55.560 --> 01:12:56.399
No, I know.

1613
01:12:56.460 --> 01:12:58.319
Madness. that's terrible