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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So, we are, at my request, back on board Enterprise, the NX 01, and

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it's Enterprise season one by your request, so I think you share

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equal part of the blame here.

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Oh, I think I might be, just proportionate amount of blame towards

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me, actually, for this one, because I kept skipping over good

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episodes to get to this.

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Yes, so season one, episode 20 Oasis, 1st broadcast on the 3rd of

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April 2002.

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It is a story by Rick Berman, Brannan Braga, and Stephen Beck, who

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also co-wrote Cold Front, which was one of the stories that we

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skipped over last time.

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God, then, if it was similar to this.

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This is an astonishingly dull 45 minutes of television. isn't it?

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So boring.

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Normally, when I'm watching these episodes, right, and I'll

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messaged you in the chat, all sort of positives, negatives.

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There was just nothing.

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Nothing I can say about this.

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It's not even mid.

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Mid would be something.

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It's just nothing.

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It's not threshold.

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I can get angry about threshold.

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Do you know what I mean?

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I don't get angry about Star Trek, though.

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But this is so boring.

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It's unbelievable.

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It's quite astonishing.

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It's also very similar to, as you pointed out to me on the chat

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very similar to DS9 shadow play.

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So similar, in fact, that Renee, who guest stars in this, said to

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Scott Bacula, you know, we did one a bit like this on DS9 once.

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I think it's also worth mentioning as well as Shadow Play, the

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Survivors from Star Trek, the Next Generation, which has a pretend

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person after, you know, a lot of people are killed.

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Future tents, which has that child alien who's left on a holiday.

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Oh, that's a wonderful puzzle box episode.

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Yeah, yeah, a really good one.

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And then Sukal in Star Trek Discovery season 3, where that Kelpien

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is left to fend for himself on a holodeck populated by, you know

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strange creatures.

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Those are all sort of conceptually similar.

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But the way this is structured is literally how a shadow player is

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structured.

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They go to a planet and there's sort of weird stuff happening.

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They investigate and then right at the climax, the rug pool is

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that nobody else is real and just one person is real who created

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the entire thing because of some terrible disaster.

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It's literally beat for beat, the same thing, but in that one, you

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have a wonderful guest actor playing the head of the colony, who's

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a sort of irreverent, very jolly investigator, who has a great

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relationship with Dax, and you have a beautiful relationship

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between Odo and the little girl who's lost her mother.

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And that's really sweet.

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It's that sort of Pinocchio and the child sort of relationship.

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That's really lovely to watch.

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And there's a B plot and there's a C plot.

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There's so much happening in shadow play.

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Whereas this, it's just this dull plot.

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Yeah.

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Where we learn nothing about the main characters where all of the

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guest characters are really boring, where there isn't a single

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element of visual interest.

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I was like, there's just nothing.

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There's no substance to this.

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It's really quite amazing.

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We talked a little bit about this on strange new world, which is

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an early episode of Enterprise season one, where they make a big

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deal about the fact that we're going to visit another planet.

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And I made the point that we'd actually already been to visit

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another planet, maybe 580 times at that point.

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And it wasn't really that thrilling for anyone.

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And I think the same is true here.

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This is Star Trek for people who found Voyager cerebral and

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difficult to follow.

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Yes, indeed.

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And I think that's a deliberate thing that Berman and Braga are

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doing.

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Well, they're dumbing down.

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Yeah, absolutely the dumbing down.

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They're making the story simpler because they want to get a

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broader audience.

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And so that's why we re-center white men.

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It's why we have baseball caps.

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It's why we have, you know, blokiness and all of that sort of

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thing.

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It's why Scott Bacula can't think of a play to recommend. to that

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guy in coach.

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I think.

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You'll find one.

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You know, it is a deliberate dumbing down of the show in order to

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make it more popular, and of course, it doesn't work.

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It fails miserably and they have to try something else.

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Or less embarrassing because they've stripped away the Star Trek

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name as well, haven't they?

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So they, you know, they wanted to sort of be an entity in its own

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right.

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You know, recently, I heard the wonderful, I can never get a name

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quite right.

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You know, from the good place, Jamil...

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Jamil Jamil, isn't it?

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Yeah, I can't remember.

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Thank you.

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I'll take that.

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And she gave a wonderful interview where she's going, you know

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they're dumping TV down.

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She goes, it's a pool.

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And she goes, I'll sit in these meetings and they say, no, we need

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to make television that allows people to doom scroll while they're

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watching.

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Right?

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And I was like, actually, I don't think that's true in all cases.

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I think there are still sort of some prestige shows where you have

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to think about what you're watching.

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But I think if you take TV as a whole, then I think maybe it is

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going that way.

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There's a lot of sort of reality TV and stuff that you don't have

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to focus on.

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You can just sort of get the general beats of it, yeah?

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Well, I'm here to tell you, Jamil, that this was starting in 2003

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or whatever.

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But this came out.

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You don't need to focus on this episode at all.

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You could be entirely on your phone and just look up whenever you

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cut to the advert brakes.

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I reckon you could perform a sort of major surgical operation

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while it was on his background. still get the sort of general

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beats of the plot.

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It's really, really nothing.

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So I do want to talk about the 2 main guest stars.

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And one is obviously Renee as Ezra.

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Ezro.

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I mean, have you ever heard more of a space name than that?

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I know, I know.

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Well, there's a demand in the in the cold open.

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And Annie Wershing is Liana.

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Do you recognise her because we have done an episode with that

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actor in it before?

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No, please tell me.

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She is the Borg queen in series 2 of Picard.

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Oh my gosh, she's so great as the ball queen.

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What happened?

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She had something to work with.

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This is what happened.

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She's so bought bad.

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She's not dressed up like a corpse in this.

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So I suppose, you know.

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Yeah.

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I mean, she's incredible as the Borg queen, and you remember that

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she died very young.

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She had cancer.

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I think when she was actually shooting Picard series 2 and she was

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so enthusiastic about being in Star Trek and clearly now that we

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look at it being in good Star Trek, she was so excited and so

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enthusiastic and she was so superb, like one of the absolute

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highlights of the season.

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Was she as excited when she made this?

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I think maybe not.

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You never know.

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There was no Instagram at the time.

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No.

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But yes, so I did want to shout out to her because I did think

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that she was wonderful.

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And like if I was inclined, no, no, no, in Picard season two.

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I mean, like you said, though, it is the material, isn't it?

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It isn't the performance.

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Like, I mean, it's a pretty dull performance, but it's an

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exceedingly dull character to play.

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Yeah, yeah.

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And I have to say that, like, I am not...

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I kind of understand people who found something to enjoy in the

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relationship between Tripp and Liana because I think that's

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basically all that's here.

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She's very boring.

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And I think having her contrasted with Tapol, and we'll get there

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in the actual thing, is actually...

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The show comes off badly.

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Do you know what I mean?

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Preferring her to Paul, I think.

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The only enjoyment I got from this episode and it's brief was to

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Paul being a sassy bitch at times, coming in and sort of arching

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her eyebrow and going, yeah, I know exactly what you're interested

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in.

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But even that's not, you know what I mean?

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That's not a revelatory characterisation.

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We have seen some pretty dismal. sort of one shot romances on an

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entire Star Trek project.

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May I remind you of the price, you know, that lecherous ambassador

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or Odam from the host, or, I mean, Meridian.

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Do you remember when they were getting sexy over the

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technobabble?

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I mean, we've, but none of them, none of those romances were as

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lacking in actual chemistry or, I don't know, there's just no

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there's nothing in the relationship.

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There's no, there's no stakes to the relationship.

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I was just like, why am I supposed to care about this pair at

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all?

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And it is, like, there's nothing beyond the fact that they're 2

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pretty blonde heterosexual people.

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Like, what else is there?

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What else do they have in common?

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Do you know what I mean?

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Like there's nothing.

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She's not funny or witty or, you know, there's no chase, there's

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nothing there.

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Like there's nothing about the relationship that's interesting.

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And everyone that's talking about the relationship, talks about it

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in such a measured way.

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It's like, okay, so you can't even be able to argue about them

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being in this relationship.

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Yeah, oh, boy.

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I kept thinking something's going to happen.

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There's something will happen eventually in this episode that

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sparks a signapse.

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No, nothing.

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Now, normally we talk for about 15 minutes before going into the

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episode, but I am terrified that we were run out of things to say

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if we do that.

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We'll never run out of things to play.

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Don't you worry.

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All right.

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I think we should go in.

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I've brought my shopping list here in case we get desperate and

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I'll just read you out of my groceries this week.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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Or we could tell people what we got up to whilst you was here, you

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know, in England?

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Yeah, okay, all right.

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We should be fine.

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We should be fine.

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That could be an education, guys, of what you're about to

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experience. okay?

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All right.

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I'll count us in.

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Five, four, three, two, one, and we're off.

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Establish dinner scene in archer's quarters.

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Now, why are we having this dinner?

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Oh god, he's so white.

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That's the most white boy thing anyone has ever said.

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I thought Cajun food was hot.

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Kind of going, oh, really, that's too hot for you.

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So, Renee should have said, you know, we had a carrot called

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Tamara on Dick's Space 9 as well as this entire episode.

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Look at this, look at this alien.

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Oh my words. actually don't think that's too bad.

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You know what that is?

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Do you know that man is?

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Who is it?

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Well, I'm only guessing.

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I think it's the guy who played Grayfon Tola in the Palm

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Moonlight.

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The voice is exactly the same.

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Am I making that?

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Because I haven't looked it up.

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No, I don't know.

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His name's Tom Bergeron, and I am about to click him.

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It's Grayvonton, then I'm good with voices.

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If it's not, then no, he shame.

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In demons.

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Demons?

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What's that?

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Demons.

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He's a Corridonite ambassador in Enterprise.

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He's used to the latex then.

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Yeah, that's right.

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Which is a good thing.

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I'm not sure how to describe him right now.

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What would you how would you describe this alien?

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So he has a big tall head and he looks like he's covered in lechen

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or something or like he's, it's, what's that thing, the, um, you

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know, like when copper kind of corrodes?

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Oh, I know what you mean.

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But he's sort of got sort of the reptilian ears, hasn't he?

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And the scale's going down the neck.

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And then on his head, on his forehead, it's sort of like desert

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sands that have cracked and dried.

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Yeah, yeah.

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I mean, it's okay.

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I think it's okay.

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It's not a huge embarrassment, you know.

283
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It's not, and it's it's the liveliest performance in the whole

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thing.

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It's a shame he's only in the 1st scene.

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Yeah, that's right.

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That's right.

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So he's telling a ghost story, and this is what we're being

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promised that they're going to travel, and, you know, there's

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something a little bit, there's something here about that.

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Do you know what I mean?

292
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We could have gone somewhere about that.

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If we'd learned a little bit more about what life was like on

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Enterprise, you know, the way sometimes in Voyager series 2, we

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get a sense of what life is like on the ship.

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There's a little we've sort of edged towards that a little bit

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here, but we never really get there.

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And then, you know, the plot comes along and everyone thinks

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that's so interesting that we spend all our time on that, even

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though it's sort of terrible.

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You know how sort of clickbassy TV is now, Nathan, right?

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And now, like, you know, you have to sort of like grab people

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immediately.

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Otherwise, they're going to change the channel.

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Could you imagine?

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No, no, no, no, I'm not...

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What I'm saying is, can you imagine starting an episode of

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television now of people just sitting around the table having

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dinner going, oh, this might be a ghost story this week.

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I mean it just would never happen.

311
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No, it's very relaxed and not in a good way.

312
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The best part of the episode, obviously, is right now.

313
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It's been when we can sing the song.

314
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Yeah.

315
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I did sing the song.

316
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That's a hit.

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Yes, I did.

318
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Yeah, always do that.

319
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It's the most fun I have.

320
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Now, time is fun.

321
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Yeah.

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Like, I feel as if I visibly age when I listen to this song, you

323
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know?

324
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I'm 45, but I feel by the time I get to the end of it, I'm 55.

325
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

326
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It definitely sort of Gen X, I think.

327
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You say dad go.

328
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I should become a dad by the time the song ends.

329
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Yeah, absolutely.

330
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So, um, Tapole is still in her phase, I think, where most of her

331
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dialogue would benefit from having the words, you fucking idiot

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appended to kind of every line.

333
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I wonder if she ever should have come out of that phase.

334
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I think she is surrounded by a lot of fucking idiots, I think.

335
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That's true.

336
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Oh, I was pleased though.

337
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The pilot, whose name, as usual, I've gotten, because he's a

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regular, and I really shouldn't forget their names.

339
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Very pretty, may I ask?

340
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He's very decorative at the front of the ship.

341
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But I was very pleased that he went along with them, though, and

342
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it was actually given something to do.

343
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Yeah.

344
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Yeah.

345
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Yeah.

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He gets to hold a phaser and everything.

347
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This is before they give up on him and decide not to let him do

348
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anything.

349
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But, of course, we can't have him and Hoshi.

350
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So she doesn't get very little stew in this episode.

351
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Well, like I said, we're centring white men so as not to scare the

352
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um, midwits in the audience that they, they're trying to appeal

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to.

354
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I just can't imagine ever pitching a Star Trek show to be less

355
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inclusive.

356
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Yeah, yeah.

357
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I can't imagine anything that's sort of pushing against the

358
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rodenberry ideal more than that. we get here.

359
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Yeah, that's quite pretty.

360
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Yeah, I know.

361
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Yeah, that's quite a good shot, isn't it?

362
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Yeah, I quite like the sort of the the study clouds that are sort

363
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of going past the moon there.

364
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I remember a time, right, when we watched Scorpion, and you were

365
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beracing David Livingstone for a general lack of atmosphere as

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they walked around the ship.

367
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Right, I'll present to you at Oasis, which they don't even have

368
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any dry ice.

369
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That's usually a given in this sort of thing.

370
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So the last one of these that we watched, I'm guessing would be

371
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context is for kings from discovery series one. which was somewhat

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more atmospheric than this.

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I mean, do you remember that spaceship that was torn apart in

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hedge enemy?

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I mean, imagine the atmosphere in that.

376
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Do you remember?

377
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's true.

378
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I mean, it's all coupled together with sets that we've seen

379
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before.

380
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Yeah, 100s of times.

381
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And the only way they're trying to suggest in the atmosphere is

382
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they've got this sort of grating in the ceiling and they've shown

383
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a lot through it.

384
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Every scene on board Deep Space 9 has.

385
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It's like Jake's quarters.

386
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Do you know what I mean?

387
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It's not particularly.

388
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It's not particularly scary.

389
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I mean, I do question that as an aesthetic on space nine, but yes

390
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I like that. one of the things I like.

391
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And it's like we're doing this X-Files swing right where the whole

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thing's supposed to be spotlit, but there's plenty of light in the

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set that they don't actually need the spotlights.

394
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And X-Files gets that right.

395
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It's signature thing.

396
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It's in the opening credits, isn't it?

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You've got Scully and Mulder with torches.

398
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But here it's really, really brightly and evenly lit in this

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scene.

400
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I mean, there's very funny moments where they layer.

401
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Do you remember the funny bits later where Tapol is walking around

402
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with the spotlight and she turns around and there's someone

403
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standing there and then she turns around again and there's more

404
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people standing there, but it's so brightly lit.

405
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She could just see them in front of her.

406
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At least in the haunting of deck 12.

407
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Do you remember when Neelix was going around this spotlight?

408
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It was dark.

409
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Yeah.

410
00:18:01.319 --> 00:18:05.640
So, uh, I don't know who this person is, but this is directed by

411
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Jim's, Jim Charleston, and this is the only Star Trek ever direct

412
00:18:10.559 --> 00:18:11.759
there's a reason for that.

413
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They say they do space above and beyond or something.

414
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You're never working for Paramount again, I'm afraid.

415
00:18:18.059 --> 00:18:19.440
Of course.

416
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I mean, like Jim, I'm going to say this for you.

417
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You didn't have a great scripts to work with, but Jesus Christ

418
00:18:26.759 --> 00:18:26.940
man.

419
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These people working on this are experts in Star Trek now. should

420
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know better than this.

421
00:18:32.519 --> 00:18:36.779
I have to say, I thought to Paul's performance was pretty

422
00:18:36.779 --> 00:18:38.039
lacklustre in this.

423
00:18:38.099 --> 00:18:40.980
I thought Jolene was pretty lacklustre, and normally I think she's

424
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good, and I think it's the character, like initially.

425
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She's like a foil.

426
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And so like that dialogue there where she talks about having it

427
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never being scared.

428
00:18:51.119 --> 00:18:54.420
Well, one that's not really how we understand Falcons, but kind of

429
00:18:54.420 --> 00:18:58.799
whatever, but it just makes her more boring, you know, and she's

430
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up against Tripp, who is being charming and funny.

431
00:19:01.740 --> 00:19:02.759
Funny.

432
00:19:02.819 --> 00:19:03.900
You go that far?

433
00:19:04.019 --> 00:19:05.819
Well, he was being cute.

434
00:19:05.880 --> 00:19:07.859
And I think that little bit of business where he talks about

435
00:19:07.859 --> 00:19:10.740
nothing like a good scare and then points the torch up at his face

436
00:19:10.740 --> 00:19:16.079
to light it from below is kind of cute, you know. hilarious Well

437
00:19:16.079 --> 00:19:18.599
yeah, no, but it is Connor and he is sweet.

438
00:19:18.660 --> 00:19:19.440
Do you know what I mean?

439
00:19:19.500 --> 00:19:22.380
He's still charming in this very boring scene.

440
00:19:22.440 --> 00:19:24.779
He's very pretty, you know, at this point.

441
00:19:24.839 --> 00:19:26.339
Yeah, well, that's that's him.

442
00:19:26.460 --> 00:19:28.980
Not entirely sure what happened, but at this point.

443
00:19:30.480 --> 00:19:32.160
Oh my god.

444
00:19:32.220 --> 00:19:33.779
That was supposed to be a scare.

445
00:19:33.900 --> 00:19:35.880
Somebody's face was reflected.

446
00:19:35.880 --> 00:19:39.480
And then the camera moves around very so.

447
00:19:39.539 --> 00:19:41.339
It's not exactly a whip pan, isn't it?

448
00:19:43.079 --> 00:19:46.680
Oh, your reflexes are slow, all right?

449
00:19:46.740 --> 00:19:51.000
And, although, what do you have for points for under reflective

450
00:19:51.000 --> 00:19:51.539
surface, though?

451
00:19:51.599 --> 00:19:52.859
There was a reflection.

452
00:19:52.920 --> 00:19:57.420
So, I'm thinking, like, maybe the 1st time is code of honour.

453
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When do they 1st go on, not code of honour?

454
00:20:00.539 --> 00:20:03.299
What's the, I can't remember now.

455
00:20:03.359 --> 00:20:07.619
The season one, um, um, Klingon episode in Star Trek, The Next

456
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Generation.

457
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Remember when they go on board that shuttle that's breaking down

458
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and Geordie's transmitting his visor things and stuff and

459
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everything looks very weird?

460
00:20:16.619 --> 00:20:18.539
Like there's a weirdness to that.

461
00:20:18.599 --> 00:20:23.700
It's a kind of spaceship set that they never really do again.

462
00:20:23.759 --> 00:20:26.880
Whereas here, this is just a spaceship set that we have now been

463
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looking at for the last 21 years.

464
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It is literally cannibalised from everything they've got in the

465
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stores.

466
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But like, do you know when we've talked about Strange New Worlds

467
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right?

468
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And how, you know, it's set pre-TOS.

469
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But they're using it as an excuse to really go out and express

470
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visually their imaginations and show you just incredible things

471
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yeah?

472
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They could have done this here.

473
00:20:51.839 --> 00:20:55.319
The only thing that's holding them back is their imaginations.

474
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I think.

475
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Like, like, visually, obviously they can't do what they did on

476
00:20:59.339 --> 00:21:03.779
Strange New Wells, but man, the lack of creativity here is

477
00:21:03.779 --> 00:21:04.920
staggering.

478
00:21:04.980 --> 00:21:05.940
Yeah.

479
00:21:06.000 --> 00:21:09.240
So we've just ended the eponymous oasis, haven't we?

480
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It's so cheap.

481
00:21:11.519 --> 00:21:15.180
It looks like a B&Q garden centre, but worse.

482
00:21:15.240 --> 00:21:19.319
Yeah, and here's Annie, Annie and Connor are meeting for the 1st

483
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time.

484
00:21:19.680 --> 00:21:20.759
And look at her.

485
00:21:20.819 --> 00:21:22.200
She's just doing nothing.

486
00:21:22.259 --> 00:21:22.920
What's she doing?

487
00:21:22.980 --> 00:21:24.660
Well, she sort of got bog eyes.

488
00:21:24.720 --> 00:21:26.400
Yeah, she's a boggle eyes.

489
00:21:26.460 --> 00:21:27.720
Sounds like Kess.

490
00:21:27.779 --> 00:21:31.740
If Conor Trinier turned up in my house, I'd be like, hello.

491
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That's right That's it.

492
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That's it.

493
00:21:36.000 --> 00:21:39.539
Look at the leotards that all this whole colony are wearing.

494
00:21:39.599 --> 00:21:41.099
Oh man, come on.

495
00:21:41.160 --> 00:21:42.960
Is there any camel toe?

496
00:21:43.019 --> 00:21:44.700
All the usual gap colours.

497
00:21:44.759 --> 00:21:47.700
Yeah, it's really so...

498
00:21:47.700 --> 00:21:50.279
I understand why yours is going for it.

499
00:21:50.339 --> 00:21:52.559
Well, you're looking for Campbell, though, because it's so

500
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boring.

501
00:21:53.339 --> 00:21:57.480
My favourite of all of them is the, it is a contender for the

502
00:21:57.480 --> 00:22:00.660
worst guest performance that we've seen so far in untitled Star

503
00:22:00.660 --> 00:22:01.380
Trek.

504
00:22:01.440 --> 00:22:02.220
The mother.

505
00:22:03.180 --> 00:22:07.680
There is just no passion in her delivery whatsoever.

506
00:22:07.740 --> 00:22:08.339
There she is.

507
00:22:08.400 --> 00:22:09.240
Is she?

508
00:22:09.299 --> 00:22:11.700
It's a miracle.

509
00:22:11.759 --> 00:22:13.079
We all survived.

510
00:22:13.140 --> 00:22:15.359
And we didn't, yeah.

511
00:22:15.420 --> 00:22:23.160
And and then, like, we're introduced to Ezrael, who is Renee, and

512
00:22:23.160 --> 00:22:26.519
he's Renee, so he's great, but he's really got nothing to do

513
00:22:26.519 --> 00:22:27.900
here.

514
00:22:27.960 --> 00:22:31.559
And I think the reason that these aliens look so boring is that

515
00:22:31.559 --> 00:22:35.220
Michael Westmore had to tell the director that Renee said he would

516
00:22:35.220 --> 00:22:39.779
cut him if he came near him with any, you know, big latex mask

517
00:22:39.779 --> 00:22:42.119
after 7 fucking years.

518
00:22:42.180 --> 00:22:43.619
It's like.

519
00:22:43.680 --> 00:22:46.920
We're just going to put all rice crispies on your, my temple, but

520
00:22:46.920 --> 00:22:48.900
otherwise you can fuck off, Michael.

521
00:22:48.960 --> 00:22:49.380
Yeah.

522
00:22:49.440 --> 00:22:52.380
Could I ask, what is Archer wearing?

523
00:22:52.440 --> 00:22:57.839
I don't remember seeing these weird sort of these sort of jackets

524
00:22:57.839 --> 00:22:58.619
they're wearing?

525
00:22:58.680 --> 00:23:00.180
I actually quite like them.

526
00:23:00.240 --> 00:23:03.359
I actually think that they're probably okay.

527
00:23:03.420 --> 00:23:07.559
You know, like the way that the way that Strangely Worlds has the

528
00:23:07.559 --> 00:23:11.339
you know, special costumes are when they go on location somewhere

529
00:23:11.339 --> 00:23:11.759
you know.

530
00:23:11.819 --> 00:23:13.440
I'll get you on for Christmas.

531
00:23:13.859 --> 00:23:16.259
I quite like the zip going down.

532
00:23:16.319 --> 00:23:18.660
That would be quite useful with a jacket, actually, down on the

533
00:23:18.660 --> 00:23:19.259
breastplate.

534
00:23:19.319 --> 00:23:20.579
No, I think they look good.

535
00:23:20.940 --> 00:23:21.720
They look okay.

536
00:23:21.779 --> 00:23:24.539
I have to say, though, and I can't believe I'm ever going to say

537
00:23:24.539 --> 00:23:24.839
this.

538
00:23:24.900 --> 00:23:30.119
The only poet that Redo made an impact for me in this, so boring

539
00:23:30.119 --> 00:23:33.900
was his dialogue, was in the climax where he actually got to

540
00:23:33.900 --> 00:23:36.180
genuinely MO for a little bit.

541
00:23:36.240 --> 00:23:39.480
Well, I don't think we even see the climax.

542
00:23:39.539 --> 00:23:42.900
That's the problem is that we don't see the decision that he has

543
00:23:42.900 --> 00:23:43.500
to make.

544
00:23:43.559 --> 00:23:44.339
Do you know what I mean?

545
00:23:44.400 --> 00:23:46.500
One, the decision that he has to make is very boring.

546
00:23:46.559 --> 00:23:48.000
And two, we don't even see it.

547
00:23:48.059 --> 00:23:48.960
They can't even write it.

548
00:23:49.019 --> 00:23:53.220
The funniest thing is, the culmination of this episode is Renee

549
00:23:53.220 --> 00:23:56.880
giving one of the backstories that we usually mock on this

550
00:23:56.880 --> 00:23:57.240
podcast.

551
00:23:57.299 --> 00:23:59.759
That's the climax of the story.

552
00:23:59.819 --> 00:24:00.539
Yeah, that's right.

553
00:24:00.599 --> 00:24:01.380
A messenger speech.

554
00:24:01.440 --> 00:24:02.400
Yeah.

555
00:24:02.460 --> 00:24:04.559
Now I introduce her like this.

556
00:24:04.619 --> 00:24:05.339
She doesn't talk.

557
00:24:05.400 --> 00:24:09.059
Remember when we saw Tripp having that relationship with the

558
00:24:09.059 --> 00:24:10.019
cogenitor.

559
00:24:10.079 --> 00:24:12.000
Do you remember that?

560
00:24:12.059 --> 00:24:13.140
That was really sweet.

561
00:24:13.140 --> 00:24:16.559
And we were sort of rooting for the 2 of them and he was teaching

562
00:24:16.559 --> 00:24:18.960
her things and it was, it was a really love.

563
00:24:19.140 --> 00:24:20.099
There's just none of that here.

564
00:24:20.160 --> 00:24:24.720
No, she warms up a little bit later. like, but I don't know why

565
00:24:24.720 --> 00:24:28.200
they're introducing her like this. and I do think, well, maybe I

566
00:24:28.200 --> 00:24:28.500
know.

567
00:24:28.559 --> 00:24:32.880
I think that she's contrasted with Tapol, who's mouthy and

568
00:24:32.880 --> 00:24:38.220
critical, and, and, you know, this is a much better girl, because

569
00:24:38.220 --> 00:24:39.960
one, she's blonde.

570
00:24:40.019 --> 00:24:40.980
Do you know what I mean?

571
00:24:41.039 --> 00:24:42.539
Like, I think that's really bad.

572
00:24:42.599 --> 00:24:46.500
And I think she's blonde and she's not Maui.

573
00:24:46.559 --> 00:24:51.359
She's a little bit more kind of, you know, she's quieter and more

574
00:24:51.359 --> 00:24:52.079
demure.

575
00:24:52.140 --> 00:24:54.539
And I think that's shockingly bad.

576
00:24:54.599 --> 00:25:00.359
That's, that is literally boiling down women to such basic, yeah

577
00:25:00.359 --> 00:25:00.779
yeah, yeah.

578
00:25:00.839 --> 00:25:02.099
How insulting.

579
00:25:03.000 --> 00:25:05.099
Oh, here's the mother.

580
00:25:05.220 --> 00:25:07.200
Don't bother him, Liana.

581
00:25:07.259 --> 00:25:07.980
Please.

582
00:25:10.200 --> 00:25:14.400
The best bit is later on. where she has to try and say something

583
00:25:14.400 --> 00:25:16.440
emotional and the poor woman.

584
00:25:16.559 --> 00:25:19.859
I think she's just decided that everyone on Star Trek, you know

585
00:25:19.859 --> 00:25:22.559
doesn't, they don't emote.

586
00:25:22.619 --> 00:25:24.240
Yeah, they're all space people.

587
00:25:24.720 --> 00:25:26.579
It's so weird.

588
00:25:26.759 --> 00:25:31.140
But I just can't imagine anyone being on television, right?

589
00:25:31.200 --> 00:25:34.440
Being an opportunity to act, choosing to act like that.

590
00:25:34.500 --> 00:25:38.160
Well, she's not very good, I think, probably.

591
00:25:38.160 --> 00:25:41.039
The only choice she has.

592
00:25:41.099 --> 00:25:42.539
They have a budget, right?

593
00:25:42.599 --> 00:25:43.559
They can afford actors.

594
00:25:43.619 --> 00:25:45.059
Yeah, yeah.

595
00:25:45.119 --> 00:25:45.779
Yeah.

596
00:25:45.839 --> 00:25:50.400
Well, I mean, we have often said in 90s trek that it does live or

597
00:25:50.400 --> 00:25:53.819
die, but a lot of the time on the strength of the guest

598
00:25:53.819 --> 00:25:55.259
performances of the week.

599
00:25:55.319 --> 00:25:56.640
Yeah, yeah.

600
00:25:56.700 --> 00:26:01.259
Yeah, so this, I think there's something wrong with Jolene's

601
00:26:01.259 --> 00:26:02.099
makeup as well.

602
00:26:02.160 --> 00:26:03.420
Why does she look like that?

603
00:26:03.480 --> 00:26:04.680
It looks so weird.

604
00:26:04.740 --> 00:26:08.220
There's something going on around her mouth or something and she's

605
00:26:08.220 --> 00:26:10.019
got like a...

606
00:26:10.079 --> 00:26:11.880
It looks like she's got both dogs, doesn't it?

607
00:26:11.940 --> 00:26:12.599
Yeah, yeah.

608
00:26:12.660 --> 00:26:13.920
It's really off- putting looking.

609
00:26:13.980 --> 00:26:17.519
And maybe it's just like how her makeup is earlier or something

610
00:26:17.519 --> 00:26:19.980
and they go with something else eventually, but it does look

611
00:26:19.980 --> 00:26:20.640
weird.

612
00:26:20.700 --> 00:26:22.920
But she's being sad.

613
00:26:22.920 --> 00:26:24.119
How we can make the contrast.

614
00:26:24.180 --> 00:26:25.079
Nathan.

615
00:26:25.140 --> 00:26:26.220
They both in a scene together.

616
00:26:26.279 --> 00:26:27.059
That's right.

617
00:26:27.119 --> 00:26:29.160
And so Jolene Jolene.

618
00:26:29.220 --> 00:26:36.839
So Tapol is being mouthy and nasty or kind of critical and Liana's

619
00:26:36.839 --> 00:26:37.559
bringing him food.

620
00:26:37.619 --> 00:26:38.819
Do you know what I mean?

621
00:26:38.880 --> 00:26:41.339
Like she went out and prepared food for him.

622
00:26:41.400 --> 00:26:43.559
Like, it's so, it's so bad.

623
00:26:43.740 --> 00:26:47.400
She goes, look, I brought you some food and it's a marrow on a

624
00:26:47.400 --> 00:26:47.700
plate.

625
00:26:47.759 --> 00:26:49.740
Oh, she cooks marrow.

626
00:26:49.799 --> 00:26:51.299
No, she's cut up the things.

627
00:26:51.359 --> 00:26:56.279
No, no, no, she's a marrow to serve the thing.

628
00:26:56.400 --> 00:26:57.480
Oh, okay.

629
00:26:57.539 --> 00:26:58.799
Like a stuffed pepper.

630
00:26:58.859 --> 00:26:59.940
No, it's fancy.

631
00:27:00.000 --> 00:27:01.259
She's probably fancy.

632
00:27:01.319 --> 00:27:02.460
Oh, excuse me.

633
00:27:02.519 --> 00:27:03.660
She's white.

634
00:27:03.660 --> 00:27:06.240
It's inside there is the chopped up cubed marrow.

635
00:27:06.359 --> 00:27:07.559
She cooked it though.

636
00:27:07.920 --> 00:27:10.019
She did cook it.

637
00:27:10.079 --> 00:27:13.019
Oh, we grow it in the air ponics bay, really?

638
00:27:13.079 --> 00:27:14.460
Ah.

639
00:27:14.460 --> 00:27:18.299
See, she's so great because...

640
00:27:18.299 --> 00:27:19.380
Now when you know the twist.

641
00:27:19.440 --> 00:27:23.099
When you know the twist, he goes, oh my god, it's amazing that you

642
00:27:23.099 --> 00:27:24.299
managed to survive here.

643
00:27:24.359 --> 00:27:26.160
It's so on the nose this time.

644
00:27:26.279 --> 00:27:28.319
Yeah, yeah, it's really bad, isn't it?

645
00:27:28.380 --> 00:27:29.160
It's so bad.

646
00:27:29.279 --> 00:27:32.339
Why do I feel like it's feeding time at the zoo?

647
00:27:32.400 --> 00:27:34.559
I mean, that would have been interesting had they all been a load

648
00:27:34.559 --> 00:27:35.400
of cannibals?

649
00:27:36.779 --> 00:27:38.400
Oh, no.

650
00:27:38.460 --> 00:27:40.140
Do you know a lot of women?

651
00:27:40.200 --> 00:27:41.579
I know, I know.

652
00:27:41.700 --> 00:27:43.200
Nearly a third of it.

653
00:27:43.259 --> 00:27:44.039
The crew is female.

654
00:27:44.099 --> 00:27:45.960
And also, why is that?

655
00:27:45.960 --> 00:27:47.519
Why did they?

656
00:27:47.579 --> 00:27:50.460
why did they say that nearly a 3rd of the crew is female?

657
00:27:50.579 --> 00:27:51.900
Nearly.

658
00:27:51.960 --> 00:27:53.519
This is less than a third?

659
00:27:53.579 --> 00:27:59.279
Less than a 3rd in 2151, because we don't have gender equality

660
00:27:59.279 --> 00:28:03.480
because that might make some of the more pithecanthropoid fans

661
00:28:03.480 --> 00:28:04.440
unhappy.

662
00:28:04.500 --> 00:28:05.700
Do you know what I mean?

663
00:28:05.759 --> 00:28:09.660
This is a big swerve to the right for Star Trek, I think. this

664
00:28:09.660 --> 00:28:10.019
show.

665
00:28:10.079 --> 00:28:11.819
Perfect, canprathoid.

666
00:28:11.880 --> 00:28:12.480
What does that mean?

667
00:28:12.539 --> 00:28:17.039
It's like, um, like, um, caveman.

668
00:28:18.720 --> 00:28:21.359
Pray in the thighs of a planet.

669
00:28:22.920 --> 00:28:26.819
I mean, this fella now, the is he the leader of the colony?

670
00:28:26.880 --> 00:28:28.079
It's not Renee, is it?

671
00:28:28.140 --> 00:28:29.640
this fella. captain or something?

672
00:28:29.700 --> 00:28:31.740
Yeah, because Renee's an engineer.

673
00:28:31.799 --> 00:28:34.319
So there is another guy there.

674
00:28:34.380 --> 00:28:38.279
And we're supposed to recognise him, but he never says anything.

675
00:28:38.279 --> 00:28:41.940
And he's the one who turns up in the escape pod later dead.

676
00:28:42.000 --> 00:28:45.960
But because I think by the time he turns up, I had never heard him

677
00:28:45.960 --> 00:28:49.380
speak, that whole cliffhanger didn't land at all.

678
00:28:49.440 --> 00:28:54.720
Now I've seen him in the background in a few, like just then in

679
00:28:54.720 --> 00:28:55.740
that scene there.

680
00:28:55.799 --> 00:28:56.640
He's got dark hair.

681
00:28:56.759 --> 00:28:57.599
Remember the guy?

682
00:28:57.660 --> 00:29:00.420
And I was kind of going, who the hell's that?

683
00:29:00.480 --> 00:29:03.839
And it's because for some reason they just forgotten to establish

684
00:29:03.839 --> 00:29:06.119
who he is so that that would land.

685
00:29:06.180 --> 00:29:07.200
Do you know what I mean?

686
00:29:07.259 --> 00:29:09.420
It's just sort of basic stuff that they're not getting right.

687
00:29:09.480 --> 00:29:12.240
I think I've said this to you before, but I'm going to say it

688
00:29:12.240 --> 00:29:14.579
again because there's so little to talk about in this episode.

689
00:29:14.640 --> 00:29:17.700
And that is the, like, when I watch a piece of television, yeah.

690
00:29:17.759 --> 00:29:19.740
I just wait for the thing.

691
00:29:19.799 --> 00:29:23.579
The thing that captures me and it doesn't have to be anything

692
00:29:23.579 --> 00:29:24.180
massive.

693
00:29:24.240 --> 00:29:27.180
It could be a line of dialogue where I go, okay, that's an

694
00:29:27.180 --> 00:29:31.140
interesting idea or a character who's sympathetic or a moment of

695
00:29:31.140 --> 00:29:34.500
direction that makes me pay attention or even a piece of music

696
00:29:34.500 --> 00:29:37.319
that I go, 0 my god, that's really movie.

697
00:29:37.380 --> 00:29:40.140
Just something to make that television worthy of existence.

698
00:29:40.200 --> 00:29:43.980
I waited 45 minutes for the thing watching this.

699
00:29:44.039 --> 00:29:45.299
Yes, it never comes.

700
00:29:45.359 --> 00:29:46.559
And then it never comes.

701
00:29:46.619 --> 00:29:47.039
No.

702
00:29:47.099 --> 00:29:50.579
See, Annie's being a little bit charming but she really has

703
00:29:50.579 --> 00:29:51.779
nothing to work with.

704
00:29:51.839 --> 00:29:53.579
She has nothing to work with.

705
00:29:54.480 --> 00:29:58.920
There's the cavernous distinction between this and the ball

706
00:29:58.920 --> 00:29:59.400
queen.

707
00:29:59.460 --> 00:30:01.200
It's like come on.

708
00:30:01.440 --> 00:30:04.920
Do you remember that bit where she was crawling across the floor?

709
00:30:04.920 --> 00:30:07.319
Just the top half of her.

710
00:30:07.740 --> 00:30:09.539
It was so funny.

711
00:30:09.900 --> 00:30:12.900
And when she was seducing Agnes.

712
00:30:12.960 --> 00:30:14.339
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

713
00:30:14.400 --> 00:30:14.819
I know.

714
00:30:14.880 --> 00:30:15.480
It was amazing.

715
00:30:15.539 --> 00:30:16.859
Just tremendous.

716
00:30:16.920 --> 00:30:17.400
Yeah.

717
00:30:17.640 --> 00:30:22.079
So he's a standing around talking scene.

718
00:30:22.140 --> 00:30:26.400
It's all white men, just so you know who makes the decisions on

719
00:30:26.400 --> 00:30:26.940
this ship.

720
00:30:27.000 --> 00:30:30.779
I feel like it's Patrick Stewart. we need to thank, actually

721
00:30:30.779 --> 00:30:35.819
because if he had no agreed to do Star Trek Picard, then our only

722
00:30:35.819 --> 00:30:38.279
example of Annie would have been this episode.

723
00:30:38.339 --> 00:30:39.420
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

724
00:30:39.480 --> 00:30:42.720
And so she would have just vanished into Star Trek obscurity.

725
00:30:42.779 --> 00:30:43.440
Yeah.

726
00:30:43.440 --> 00:30:44.279
Yeah.

727
00:30:44.339 --> 00:30:46.380
Instead of being truly magnificent.

728
00:30:46.440 --> 00:30:49.259
One of the great performances, one of the great villains in TV

729
00:30:49.259 --> 00:30:50.700
Star Trek, I reckon.

730
00:30:50.759 --> 00:30:54.000
I mean, I don't think that's the best season of Picard.

731
00:30:54.059 --> 00:30:55.859
But there's great stuff in it.

732
00:30:55.859 --> 00:30:59.039
Yeah, it's probably the best thing in it of all.

733
00:30:59.099 --> 00:31:02.759
One of the things that I think that they got massively right was

734
00:31:02.759 --> 00:31:08.339
those few episodes in series 2 where ice are the villain and, you

735
00:31:08.339 --> 00:31:10.619
know, like they're just evil.

736
00:31:10.680 --> 00:31:14.640
And now, of course, ice is, you know, running riot throughout

737
00:31:14.640 --> 00:31:18.059
America, just picking people up at random and shooting people and

738
00:31:18.059 --> 00:31:22.680
and, you know, just being truly horrendous, but Star Trek, Picard

739
00:31:22.680 --> 00:31:24.299
predicts it in 2022.

740
00:31:24.420 --> 00:31:26.460
Oh, God, look, the lift there.

741
00:31:26.460 --> 00:31:27.900
With engineering.

742
00:31:27.960 --> 00:31:31.259
That must be the same mechanism as the death. the same left.

743
00:31:31.319 --> 00:31:36.000
They've kept the bare bones of the lift and then took this out.

744
00:31:37.920 --> 00:31:39.539
We'll keep hold of that lift when they go.

745
00:31:39.599 --> 00:31:41.039
Yeah, we might need it in the future.

746
00:31:41.099 --> 00:31:46.440
Um, well, also, no phenomena, I mean, that episode set in the

747
00:31:46.440 --> 00:31:47.519
alternative universe.

748
00:31:47.579 --> 00:31:53.339
John Delancey actually hitting Patrick Stewart, Raffi and 7

749
00:31:53.339 --> 00:31:55.079
flirting outrageously.

750
00:31:55.140 --> 00:31:59.640
The gorgeous romance between what's the fellow's name?

751
00:31:59.700 --> 00:32:01.200
Yeah, Rios.

752
00:32:01.259 --> 00:32:02.460
And the doctor.

753
00:32:02.579 --> 00:32:04.980
I mean, there were many, many strengths.

754
00:32:05.220 --> 00:32:08.039
The worst thing about it was that that plot just could not sustain

755
00:32:08.039 --> 00:32:08.460
a season.

756
00:32:08.519 --> 00:32:09.900
No, no, no.

757
00:32:09.900 --> 00:32:11.400
There were gyms.

758
00:32:11.460 --> 00:32:12.240
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

759
00:32:12.299 --> 00:32:18.059
I mean, imagine a season built around this bunch. poor old Danny.

760
00:32:18.119 --> 00:32:20.400
I was like, this is Billy who's kind of hot.

761
00:32:20.519 --> 00:32:24.960
This is another one of these things where we get an extra who

762
00:32:24.960 --> 00:32:28.140
weirdly doesn't say anything, any normal person would have said

763
00:32:28.140 --> 00:32:32.279
hello or nice to meet you, but because Billy's not being paid to

764
00:32:32.279 --> 00:32:34.920
do that, he just sort of grimaces and then walks on.

765
00:32:34.980 --> 00:32:39.119
He gives her a mildly lecherous sort of look, but that's it, and

766
00:32:39.119 --> 00:32:39.599
then walks off.

767
00:32:39.660 --> 00:32:43.019
I suspect that he's more interested in Connor.

768
00:32:43.079 --> 00:32:44.819
That's my guess.

769
00:32:44.880 --> 00:32:45.960
He's got eyes, Nathan.

770
00:32:46.019 --> 00:32:47.579
Yeah, he does.

771
00:32:48.960 --> 00:32:53.220
Oh god, look, this is the everything that they wanted for Star

772
00:32:53.220 --> 00:32:54.180
Trek Enterprise.

773
00:32:54.240 --> 00:32:58.079
Three boring white men talking to each other in a gray room.

774
00:32:58.140 --> 00:32:59.700
Let me go.

775
00:33:00.420 --> 00:33:03.059
Burma's watching the Russians going.

776
00:33:03.119 --> 00:33:04.619
We've got it.

777
00:33:05.339 --> 00:33:08.880
Excuse me, could you just tone the music down a bit there

778
00:33:08.880 --> 00:33:09.420
perfect.

779
00:33:10.980 --> 00:33:13.980
Oh, this is so boring, isn't it?

780
00:33:14.039 --> 00:33:14.819
What are they talking about?

781
00:33:14.880 --> 00:33:18.599
Catastrophic malfunctions, massive depressurisation.

782
00:33:18.660 --> 00:33:24.180
So they have instrument readings that suggest that the story that

783
00:33:24.180 --> 00:33:27.779
they've been told about the crash of the ship isn't true.

784
00:33:28.859 --> 00:33:30.779
And they would be right.

785
00:33:30.900 --> 00:33:32.460
And they would be right.

786
00:33:32.519 --> 00:33:37.859
And they all discover it by just standing around talking about a

787
00:33:37.859 --> 00:33:39.000
load of technobabble.

788
00:33:39.059 --> 00:33:39.660
This is so boring.

789
00:33:39.720 --> 00:33:41.039
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

790
00:33:41.099 --> 00:33:42.960
But we don't see anyone discover the thing.

791
00:33:43.019 --> 00:33:44.099
Do you know what I mean?

792
00:33:44.160 --> 00:33:45.839
Someone reports it, the discovery.

793
00:33:45.900 --> 00:33:52.019
Like Malcolm says the oxidisation rate or something of the, you

794
00:33:52.019 --> 00:33:54.839
know, the bulkheads or something means they've been down there for

795
00:33:54.839 --> 00:33:55.500
22 years.

796
00:33:55.559 --> 00:33:59.220
What's the most boring type of ice cream you can think of?

797
00:33:59.279 --> 00:34:03.240
I'm not going to say vanilla because I think vanilla is great.

798
00:34:03.299 --> 00:34:05.039
Oh, I like vanilla, especially in cream soda.

799
00:34:05.339 --> 00:34:09.000
The proper, proper rich vanilla, not...

800
00:34:09.059 --> 00:34:10.199
Which one do you think's the most boring?

801
00:34:10.260 --> 00:34:12.059
Well, Rocky Road, obviously.

802
00:34:12.119 --> 00:34:13.019
Oh, okay.

803
00:34:13.079 --> 00:34:14.219
This is the wrong atrocity.

804
00:34:14.280 --> 00:34:15.300
Star Trek this episode.

805
00:34:15.360 --> 00:34:19.500
It will come up because, of course, vanilla ice cream and Rocky

806
00:34:19.500 --> 00:34:24.719
Road both make an important contribution to the dialogue here to

807
00:34:24.719 --> 00:34:26.699
this romance that is happening.

808
00:34:26.760 --> 00:34:30.840
Oh, he's John Billingsley contractually appearing for a moment.

809
00:34:31.139 --> 00:34:34.320
And then this guy who, guess what?

810
00:34:34.380 --> 00:34:37.860
We've never fucking seen him before, and I thought that I must

811
00:34:37.860 --> 00:34:38.519
have missed it.

812
00:34:38.579 --> 00:34:41.159
I thought that I wasn't watching properly, and I was not going to

813
00:34:41.159 --> 00:34:42.780
watch this again in a 2nd time.

814
00:34:42.840 --> 00:34:44.280
It's Shillot.

815
00:34:44.340 --> 00:34:46.079
I thought you recognised.

816
00:34:46.199 --> 00:34:46.800
Shalad.

817
00:34:46.860 --> 00:34:47.820
Oh, she lads.

818
00:34:47.880 --> 00:34:48.659
Yeah, that's right.

819
00:34:50.639 --> 00:34:52.619
But do you know what I mean?

820
00:34:52.679 --> 00:34:55.199
It was in the crowd of everybody else, I'm sure.

821
00:34:55.260 --> 00:34:57.059
He didn't get a line.

822
00:34:57.119 --> 00:34:59.940
I don't think he got a line. doesn't get a thread.

823
00:35:00.000 --> 00:35:01.440
Why did you do that?

824
00:35:01.500 --> 00:35:04.440
Like, why don't you have the main guy?

825
00:35:04.500 --> 00:35:05.699
The lead guy?

826
00:35:05.940 --> 00:35:09.480
It's basic television language, right?

827
00:35:09.539 --> 00:35:10.199
I know.

828
00:35:10.260 --> 00:35:11.699
I have Renee.

829
00:35:11.760 --> 00:35:13.500
He's out, no, because he's still alive.

830
00:35:13.559 --> 00:35:15.360
But have one of the others have the wife.

831
00:35:15.420 --> 00:35:16.440
Do you know what I mean?

832
00:35:16.500 --> 00:35:16.980
Have the wife.

833
00:35:17.039 --> 00:35:17.639
Imagine that.

834
00:35:17.699 --> 00:35:18.900
It's like the wife.

835
00:35:18.960 --> 00:35:21.300
Well, you know, I mean, I don't want to really stress this, but

836
00:35:21.300 --> 00:35:22.079
Annie, right?

837
00:35:22.139 --> 00:35:23.940
Like, she's the character we've seen the most.

838
00:35:24.000 --> 00:35:25.980
Yeah, but again, because they're alive.

839
00:35:26.039 --> 00:35:27.000
It can't be them.

840
00:35:27.059 --> 00:35:29.099
It has to be, it has to be one of the others.

841
00:35:29.159 --> 00:35:30.360
Here's the ice cream there.

842
00:35:30.420 --> 00:35:31.980
Here's the vanilla ice cream.

843
00:35:32.039 --> 00:35:35.639
That doesn't look like sort of quality Madagascan vanilla ice

844
00:35:35.639 --> 00:35:35.940
cream.

845
00:35:36.000 --> 00:35:39.119
No, it's not yellow on our, I think.

846
00:35:39.179 --> 00:35:39.900
Yeah.

847
00:35:40.139 --> 00:35:42.420
Do you know, having this coffee?

848
00:35:42.480 --> 00:35:43.440
So this is about nothing.

849
00:35:43.500 --> 00:35:45.719
Like, has no one, I don't know.

850
00:35:45.780 --> 00:35:48.780
I think they're uncomfortable writing romance because it's girly

851
00:35:48.780 --> 00:35:49.139
staff.

852
00:35:49.199 --> 00:35:49.980
Do you know what I mean?

853
00:35:50.039 --> 00:35:53.219
Like, and they were all right with a zarellion or whatever, because

854
00:35:53.219 --> 00:35:57.539
they were going to go on a boat and then touch rocks with each

855
00:35:57.539 --> 00:35:58.380
other. remember that?

856
00:35:58.500 --> 00:36:02.280
explaining to her the constituent ingredients of marshmallows.

857
00:36:02.340 --> 00:36:03.659
What does this happen?

858
00:36:03.719 --> 00:36:04.380
I know.

859
00:36:04.380 --> 00:36:08.159
Although I do like when he says, I think that's actually cute.

860
00:36:08.219 --> 00:36:10.079
He can't explain what marshmallows are.

861
00:36:10.139 --> 00:36:11.940
He just goes, I don't really know what they are.

862
00:36:12.000 --> 00:36:13.320
I think that's an acute.

863
00:36:13.380 --> 00:36:16.019
And like, she's showing a bit of life here.

864
00:36:16.079 --> 00:36:21.659
At least when Councillor Troy talked about her chocolate ice cream

865
00:36:21.659 --> 00:36:21.900
right?

866
00:36:21.960 --> 00:36:24.000
She was having an orgasm while I was talking about it.

867
00:36:24.059 --> 00:36:25.559
I leave you 2 alone?

868
00:36:25.619 --> 00:36:27.000
Yeah, it's wonderful.

869
00:36:27.059 --> 00:36:28.380
It's so funny.

870
00:36:29.460 --> 00:36:31.800
How long have you been on this planet?

871
00:36:32.880 --> 00:36:33.360
God.

872
00:36:33.420 --> 00:36:37.320
It's not even like a, it's not even like a tense conspiracy.

873
00:36:37.380 --> 00:36:38.579
Do you remember Equinox?

874
00:36:38.579 --> 00:36:41.280
when they were all sort of whispering behind the scenes, right?

875
00:36:41.340 --> 00:36:42.480
pull our move in a minute.

876
00:36:42.780 --> 00:36:45.179
Well, we haven't seen anyone.

877
00:36:45.239 --> 00:36:46.079
Do you know what I mean?

878
00:36:46.139 --> 00:36:48.059
Like they've been so unmenacing.

879
00:36:48.119 --> 00:36:51.900
Like, it's so, like, like, it's not, they don't seem furtive.

880
00:36:51.960 --> 00:36:52.559
Do you know what I mean?

881
00:36:52.619 --> 00:36:54.420
Because and that wouldn't work because they don't know that

882
00:36:54.420 --> 00:36:57.119
they're holograms or whatever, but like there's just nothing.

883
00:36:57.179 --> 00:37:00.539
Like, there's nothing, the ghost story thing never panned out.

884
00:37:00.599 --> 00:37:02.699
There was no atmosphere when we were in the thing.

885
00:37:02.760 --> 00:37:05.400
We throw that away really quickly and now it's just boring space

886
00:37:05.400 --> 00:37:07.559
people in corridors as usual.

887
00:37:07.619 --> 00:37:11.159
You know, it's just, it's ridiculous.

888
00:37:11.219 --> 00:37:12.000
Oh, with Shalot.

889
00:37:12.059 --> 00:37:15.420
Can you tell me who Shallot is, please, honey.

890
00:37:15.480 --> 00:37:20.579
We will see him now, but we and we only barely saw him before.

891
00:37:20.639 --> 00:37:22.380
I just thought that must have been a cart scene.

892
00:37:22.500 --> 00:37:26.159
I couldn't understand how they would do this. where she was like

893
00:37:26.159 --> 00:37:29.519
the, the 1st moment, he's sort of being forceful with her and

894
00:37:29.519 --> 00:37:30.420
demanding something.

895
00:37:30.480 --> 00:37:33.360
She's like, she gives him a very fertive look and goes, please

896
00:37:33.360 --> 00:37:34.139
take me home.

897
00:37:34.199 --> 00:37:37.079
Like, sorry, we're not ready to give you the answers yet.

898
00:37:37.139 --> 00:37:39.420
Yeah, please take me home.

899
00:37:39.480 --> 00:37:41.880
We're only at the 20 minute mark.

900
00:37:41.940 --> 00:37:44.460
And so this is the funny scene.

901
00:37:44.579 --> 00:37:49.500
No, you'll be pleased to learn that we're at the 27 minute.

902
00:37:49.559 --> 00:37:50.639
Oh, thank goodness.

903
00:37:50.699 --> 00:37:51.179
Yeah.

904
00:37:51.239 --> 00:37:53.940
Yeah, I think this is supposed to be the ghost moment.

905
00:37:54.000 --> 00:37:56.940
You know, she's walking the ship and there's the man in front of

906
00:37:56.940 --> 00:38:00.599
her and then suddenly there's more people passing.

907
00:38:00.599 --> 00:38:01.739
Isn't that Shalott?

908
00:38:01.800 --> 00:38:02.579
That's Shalott.

909
00:38:02.639 --> 00:38:05.639
Oh, Shalott. so good to see you again.

910
00:38:06.000 --> 00:38:07.860
We were worried.

911
00:38:07.920 --> 00:38:09.480
We thought you were a desiccated corpse.

912
00:38:13.559 --> 00:38:15.599
Oh, my God.

913
00:38:15.599 --> 00:38:17.219
Do you like going to those costumes?

914
00:38:17.219 --> 00:38:18.780
I went, God, it's like wearing a condom.

915
00:38:19.559 --> 00:38:21.599
They look ridiculous.

916
00:38:21.659 --> 00:38:23.579
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

917
00:38:23.639 --> 00:38:26.400
But I think this moment is supposed to be tense.

918
00:38:26.699 --> 00:38:28.679
Where they're surrounding her.

919
00:38:28.679 --> 00:38:30.900
Because it's men surrounding her in the dark.

920
00:38:30.960 --> 00:38:32.880
Well, I mean, that's supposed to be tense, right?

921
00:38:32.940 --> 00:38:33.900
I suppose.

922
00:38:33.960 --> 00:38:35.639
What is she discovered anyway?

923
00:38:35.699 --> 00:38:38.159
She was just waving her torch around?

924
00:38:38.280 --> 00:38:39.059
What has she discovered?

925
00:38:39.119 --> 00:38:43.260
Like, they're just not doing the basics of making a TV program

926
00:38:43.260 --> 00:38:46.139
into another unatmospheric, darkened room.

927
00:38:46.199 --> 00:38:48.000
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

928
00:38:48.059 --> 00:38:49.860
And she, that's right.

929
00:38:49.920 --> 00:38:51.900
And she told has she told them?

930
00:38:51.960 --> 00:38:52.440
No.

931
00:38:53.760 --> 00:38:55.980
No, she's not told them.

932
00:38:56.039 --> 00:38:57.840
It is that thing I'll tell you later.

933
00:38:57.900 --> 00:39:01.440
You know, we're literally debating, right?

934
00:39:01.500 --> 00:39:03.900
whether they're hiding things from us or not.

935
00:39:03.960 --> 00:39:06.480
We're not even talking about the nuts and bolts.

936
00:39:06.539 --> 00:39:07.920
That's the conversation here.

937
00:39:07.980 --> 00:39:10.139
Are you hiding things from us, you know?

938
00:39:10.199 --> 00:39:11.219
Well, we're getting it now.

939
00:39:11.280 --> 00:39:13.260
We are getting it now, a beard, aren't we?

940
00:39:13.320 --> 00:39:16.199
But we sort of figured out that they are, right?

941
00:39:16.619 --> 00:39:19.800
Yeah, well, I mean, because we've watched television before.

942
00:39:19.860 --> 00:39:21.179
Well, because we've watched Star Trek before.

943
00:39:21.239 --> 00:39:22.440
We've seen Charlie.

944
00:39:22.440 --> 00:39:25.079
And he's tall of a brain sale to watch this, do you?

945
00:39:25.139 --> 00:39:26.639
No, no, no.

946
00:39:26.699 --> 00:39:28.980
God, they're coming at them with guns now.

947
00:39:29.039 --> 00:39:30.179
Yeah, yeah.

948
00:39:30.239 --> 00:39:31.800
It's so boring.

949
00:39:31.860 --> 00:39:32.519
Come on.

950
00:39:33.420 --> 00:39:36.360
So, yes, all right.

951
00:39:36.420 --> 00:39:40.860
And so the repairs are to the thing, that room that we were in

952
00:39:40.860 --> 00:39:43.739
before that looked like, like it was repairing the computer room.

953
00:39:43.800 --> 00:39:46.800
So anyone who knew any Star Trek would have guessed that that was

954
00:39:46.800 --> 00:39:50.639
kind of running the, you know, it was optronic relays or something

955
00:39:50.639 --> 00:39:52.860
that was running the holodeck theme.

956
00:39:52.920 --> 00:39:53.940
I'm so bored.

957
00:39:54.000 --> 00:39:56.579
Functionality of this dialogue.

958
00:39:56.639 --> 00:39:58.860
He said, go back to your ship, not without my men.

959
00:39:58.920 --> 00:40:00.360
This isn't a negotiation.

960
00:40:00.420 --> 00:40:03.539
Oh, my God. so bad.

961
00:40:03.960 --> 00:40:06.360
Actually, do you know what?

962
00:40:06.420 --> 00:40:08.039
These actors, I can't blame them anymore.

963
00:40:08.099 --> 00:40:10.800
How can you find passion in dialogue like that?

964
00:40:10.860 --> 00:40:12.960
Now, have we been in here before?

965
00:40:13.019 --> 00:40:14.400
Yeah, we have.

966
00:40:14.460 --> 00:40:15.659
This room is so cheap.

967
00:40:15.719 --> 00:40:16.500
Look at the walls.

968
00:40:16.619 --> 00:40:18.420
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

969
00:40:18.480 --> 00:40:21.599
But it's supposed to be the, it's supposed to be running the, um

970
00:40:21.599 --> 00:40:24.960
the holodeck things or something.

971
00:40:25.019 --> 00:40:28.139
I think Renee must have walked around this room and gone, you know

972
00:40:28.139 --> 00:40:31.260
I recognise bits of this set from C Gervais R 558.

973
00:40:31.440 --> 00:40:34.199
That bit over there, looks like it's from one little ship.

974
00:40:34.920 --> 00:40:37.920
He's wasted in this, isn't he?

975
00:40:37.980 --> 00:40:39.420
He's so wasted in it.

976
00:40:39.480 --> 00:40:40.920
It's such a nothing episode.

977
00:40:41.039 --> 00:40:45.360
And Joe, we always berate the fact that we can't see Renee's

978
00:40:45.360 --> 00:40:46.139
face.

979
00:40:46.199 --> 00:40:48.599
Now we can, and this is what he's given.

980
00:40:48.659 --> 00:40:50.159
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

981
00:40:50.219 --> 00:40:53.400
It's actually really nice to see him out of makeup.

982
00:40:53.460 --> 00:40:54.360
Do you know what I mean?

983
00:40:54.420 --> 00:40:55.920
It is nice to see that.

984
00:40:55.980 --> 00:40:59.219
And I don't know why they never found a way of doing it on the

985
00:40:59.219 --> 00:40:59.639
show.

986
00:40:59.699 --> 00:41:03.659
This is the scene between Liana and her mother.

987
00:41:03.780 --> 00:41:05.880
Her wreck, dead mother.

988
00:41:05.940 --> 00:41:10.380
She's picking the sort of cherry tomatoes and going, oh, darling.

989
00:41:11.039 --> 00:41:13.679
You shouldn't have gone to their ship.

990
00:41:13.800 --> 00:41:16.199
You think this is my fault?

991
00:41:16.260 --> 00:41:18.599
I saw the way you looked at the engineer.

992
00:41:18.659 --> 00:41:20.820
Are you sure you didn't say anything?

993
00:41:20.880 --> 00:41:22.260
No, I didn't.

994
00:41:22.320 --> 00:41:25.980
They'll be gone soon and everything will be fine again.

995
00:41:26.099 --> 00:41:27.119
Goodbye.

996
00:41:27.179 --> 00:41:28.619
I mean, what?

997
00:41:28.619 --> 00:41:30.900
It's so bad, isn't it?

998
00:41:30.960 --> 00:41:33.179
It's just atrociously bad.

999
00:41:33.239 --> 00:41:36.179
And look how and he's trying to act through it.

1000
00:41:36.239 --> 00:41:37.619
Good for you, Annie.

1001
00:41:37.679 --> 00:41:40.679
Oh, God almighty.

1002
00:41:40.739 --> 00:41:44.820
So, I mean, even if they were wet performances, I could, that's

1003
00:41:44.820 --> 00:41:45.840
something. yeah.

1004
00:41:45.900 --> 00:41:47.579
Just like, oh.

1005
00:41:47.880 --> 00:41:51.780
Now we're going to more scenes of people just explaining things to

1006
00:41:51.780 --> 00:41:52.199
each other.

1007
00:41:52.260 --> 00:41:53.760
I mean, this is so boring.

1008
00:41:53.880 --> 00:41:58.079
Nathan, what's the most boring pizza you can think of?

1009
00:41:58.260 --> 00:42:01.019
No, I see, I like boring pizza.

1010
00:42:01.079 --> 00:42:04.260
Like, I'm a big fan of just, like, like, margarita.

1011
00:42:04.739 --> 00:42:07.139
Yeah, me too. pepperoni, did I?

1012
00:42:07.199 --> 00:42:09.179
This is the ham and pineapple or pizzas.

1013
00:42:09.239 --> 00:42:11.699
Yeah, I actually quite like Hammer.

1014
00:42:11.760 --> 00:42:12.960
Oh, you don't?

1015
00:42:13.019 --> 00:42:13.980
What is wrong with you?

1016
00:42:14.400 --> 00:42:18.719
It's the contrast between the Swede and the savoury, obviously.

1017
00:42:18.840 --> 00:42:22.500
I don't think I've ever seen Hammer Pineapple on a menu in Italy

1018
00:42:22.500 --> 00:42:22.739
you know.

1019
00:42:22.800 --> 00:42:24.059
No, I don't think he has.

1020
00:42:24.119 --> 00:42:30.119
They consider it an abomination, and they're right, but I secretly

1021
00:42:30.119 --> 00:42:30.420
like it.

1022
00:42:30.900 --> 00:42:35.760
Oh, well, now we've got rid of salad or whatever his name is, now

1023
00:42:35.760 --> 00:42:36.659
let's have sex.

1024
00:42:36.719 --> 00:42:38.699
I mean, are you going to do that?

1025
00:42:38.760 --> 00:42:42.900
It would be, I'd be very appreciative if there was some ham in

1026
00:42:42.900 --> 00:42:46.920
this episode, you know, and just a tiny bit of, you know, sweet

1027
00:42:46.920 --> 00:42:51.059
pineapple, but no, it's just, it's the pizza base, you know

1028
00:42:51.059 --> 00:42:52.320
without anything on it.

1029
00:42:53.639 --> 00:42:55.199
That's right.

1030
00:42:55.260 --> 00:42:55.980
I'm so desperate.

1031
00:42:56.039 --> 00:42:57.239
I'm doing food metaphors.

1032
00:42:57.300 --> 00:42:58.800
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1033
00:42:58.860 --> 00:43:00.239
Well, I just don't know what's happening here.

1034
00:43:00.300 --> 00:43:02.579
This dialogue again is so boring.

1035
00:43:02.639 --> 00:43:05.699
You know, do you think you could tell a lie so often that you come

1036
00:43:05.699 --> 00:43:06.360
to believe it?

1037
00:43:06.420 --> 00:43:07.619
It's just like, oh, okay.

1038
00:43:07.679 --> 00:43:09.059
Like, do they fuck?

1039
00:43:09.119 --> 00:43:10.019
I don't, do they?

1040
00:43:10.139 --> 00:43:12.360
No, no, no, they kiss.

1041
00:43:12.420 --> 00:43:14.219
I mean, that's usually different in Star Trek.

1042
00:43:14.280 --> 00:43:17.099
Actually, I think the scene where they say goodbye is actually

1043
00:43:17.099 --> 00:43:17.639
quite nice.

1044
00:43:17.699 --> 00:43:21.059
And I know that there's really nothing going on here and I'm a bit

1045
00:43:21.059 --> 00:43:23.099
of a sucker for the one episode of romance.

1046
00:43:23.159 --> 00:43:23.880
I kind of like it.

1047
00:43:23.940 --> 00:43:24.659
This is nothing.

1048
00:43:24.719 --> 00:43:27.900
There's no reason why these 2 people should hit it off except that

1049
00:43:27.900 --> 00:43:29.639
they're in the same part of the plot together.

1050
00:43:29.699 --> 00:43:32.760
They're both pretty. one episode romance.

1051
00:43:32.820 --> 00:43:33.539
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1052
00:43:33.599 --> 00:43:36.539
This is not that, but I'm trying to find anything in it that I

1053
00:43:36.539 --> 00:43:37.440
think it's worthwhile.

1054
00:43:37.500 --> 00:43:39.780
And I did find myself a little bit charmed.

1055
00:43:39.780 --> 00:43:41.280
And I think Jamma did as well.

1056
00:43:41.340 --> 00:43:46.260
Like, I read Jammers review and like, I don't know what he was

1057
00:43:46.260 --> 00:43:46.739
thinking.

1058
00:43:46.800 --> 00:43:48.960
I think Bam is much better than these.

1059
00:43:49.739 --> 00:43:52.079
Bam is so much better than this.

1060
00:43:52.139 --> 00:43:56.940
Um, uh, uh, but, even this shootout.

1061
00:43:57.000 --> 00:43:57.480
Now, right.

1062
00:43:57.539 --> 00:43:59.159
There's just one shot.

1063
00:44:00.539 --> 00:44:03.480
I mean, this is series one.

1064
00:44:03.539 --> 00:44:07.679
They should be all passion firing at this point in terms of what

1065
00:44:07.679 --> 00:44:08.340
they're producing.

1066
00:44:08.460 --> 00:44:12.119
Yeah, yeah, but I don't think, like, I think they thought that

1067
00:44:12.119 --> 00:44:16.260
taking it back, stripping it back would let them get away with

1068
00:44:16.260 --> 00:44:18.059
doing simpler things.

1069
00:44:18.119 --> 00:44:19.559
Do you know what I mean?

1070
00:44:19.619 --> 00:44:21.179
and having it work.

1071
00:44:21.239 --> 00:44:22.559
Yeah, yeah, that's it.

1072
00:44:22.619 --> 00:44:24.480
It's so weird though, isn't it?

1073
00:44:24.539 --> 00:44:27.360
When we get to four, they go in completely the other direction.

1074
00:44:27.420 --> 00:44:28.920
We're going to do 3 parters.

1075
00:44:28.980 --> 00:44:30.900
We're going to pack them full of substance.

1076
00:44:30.960 --> 00:44:34.320
We're going to drive Star Trek shit. like we're going to fill it

1077
00:44:34.320 --> 00:44:35.639
with Star Trek stuff, you know.

1078
00:44:35.760 --> 00:44:38.639
And just be ambitious with the production as much as we can.

1079
00:44:38.699 --> 00:44:40.079
Yeah.

1080
00:44:40.139 --> 00:44:44.940
I mean, if there's ever an argument for the same production team

1081
00:44:44.940 --> 00:44:49.199
going from one show to another, like this, of not doing that and

1082
00:44:49.199 --> 00:44:50.519
bringing in fresh people.

1083
00:44:50.579 --> 00:44:54.599
I think, and Price Series one is a good example of why you don't.

1084
00:44:54.659 --> 00:44:58.980
Yeah, well, I think, you know, like, like there's in Kurtzman Trek

1085
00:44:58.980 --> 00:45:03.659
you know, each show is shepherded by different people, do you know

1086
00:45:03.659 --> 00:45:04.019
what I mean?

1087
00:45:04.079 --> 00:45:07.440
Like, and there's they feel different from one another, I think.

1088
00:45:07.619 --> 00:45:12.179
But this we've just been doing this shit for so long since, you

1089
00:45:12.179 --> 00:45:13.559
know, TNG.

1090
00:45:13.619 --> 00:45:17.699
Annie has this weird look on her face when she looks at Tripp

1091
00:45:17.699 --> 00:45:18.780
right?

1092
00:45:18.840 --> 00:45:22.800
The same way sort of I look at people when I'm talking to them but

1093
00:45:22.800 --> 00:45:23.880
really need a pee.

1094
00:45:23.940 --> 00:45:27.780
You know, it's sort of like looking a little bit stressed out but

1095
00:45:27.780 --> 00:45:29.519
trying to pretend that you're not, you know?

1096
00:45:29.579 --> 00:45:30.420
Yeah.

1097
00:45:30.420 --> 00:45:32.519
And you see, is this supposed to be impressive?

1098
00:45:32.579 --> 00:45:35.039
You know, she pulls the plug on them and they disappear.

1099
00:45:35.099 --> 00:45:37.079
Like, she hasn't shielded them.

1100
00:45:37.079 --> 00:45:39.480
She's looking plug you've ever seen as well, isn't it?

1101
00:45:39.599 --> 00:45:39.960
Yeah.

1102
00:45:39.960 --> 00:45:42.960
Even the technology is boring.

1103
00:45:43.019 --> 00:45:44.699
Yep, yep.

1104
00:45:44.760 --> 00:45:49.199
The technology is very boring. tell us, tell us what's happened, so

1105
00:45:49.199 --> 00:45:49.920
we can end this.

1106
00:45:51.539 --> 00:45:54.179
Where now you are, I'll save you.

1107
00:45:54.599 --> 00:45:57.239
There's still 9 minutes to go.

1108
00:45:57.300 --> 00:45:59.400
I suppose some of that's the credits.

1109
00:45:59.460 --> 00:46:01.920
No, no, hey, let's go.

1110
00:46:01.980 --> 00:46:05.039
We're going to talk about, they're gone, captain, isn't it?

1111
00:46:05.159 --> 00:46:05.460
obvious?

1112
00:46:05.519 --> 00:46:07.739
Yes, we figured it out.

1113
00:46:07.860 --> 00:46:10.019
We saw it in shadow play.

1114
00:46:11.880 --> 00:46:16.619
And and again, like the the dilemma makes no sense.

1115
00:46:16.679 --> 00:46:19.679
Like, how can you possibly empathise with this dilemma?

1116
00:46:19.739 --> 00:46:22.440
Like he's kept her there.

1117
00:46:22.920 --> 00:46:25.019
And why didn't he go home?

1118
00:46:25.079 --> 00:46:25.679
Why?

1119
00:46:25.739 --> 00:46:29.760
Because he couldn't initially, and then what?

1120
00:46:29.820 --> 00:46:32.460
Like, and so we've just decided to just live there.

1121
00:46:32.460 --> 00:46:35.880
And oh, because they were our friends.

1122
00:46:35.940 --> 00:46:36.719
We loved them.

1123
00:46:36.780 --> 00:46:40.320
You know, they were, take a fucking, take the holodeck with you or

1124
00:46:40.320 --> 00:46:40.619
whatever.

1125
00:46:40.679 --> 00:46:43.320
I don't know, it just seems ridiculous, you know.

1126
00:46:43.380 --> 00:46:45.539
Oh, they...

1127
00:46:45.539 --> 00:46:46.800
If there was some metaphor?

1128
00:46:46.860 --> 00:46:47.639
Do you know what I mean?

1129
00:46:47.699 --> 00:46:51.900
Like if he was unable to let go of his wife, and so we were living

1130
00:46:51.900 --> 00:46:56.159
in this fantasy world where he was hanging on to a fake memory of

1131
00:46:56.159 --> 00:46:59.519
his wife because he loved her and couldn't bear that he'd been

1132
00:46:59.519 --> 00:47:04.139
responsible for her death, and that was something.

1133
00:47:04.199 --> 00:47:08.519
Yeah. but that was stunting her, you know, her ability to grow

1134
00:47:08.519 --> 00:47:08.880
up.

1135
00:47:08.940 --> 00:47:12.840
That was circumscribing her world and he has to choose between his

1136
00:47:12.840 --> 00:47:14.460
wife and her.

1137
00:47:14.519 --> 00:47:15.659
Do you know what I mean?

1138
00:47:15.719 --> 00:47:18.420
And she's real, but he can't let go of his grief.

1139
00:47:18.420 --> 00:47:19.860
And that's a plausible thing.

1140
00:47:19.920 --> 00:47:23.099
You know, that's, it takes you away from Doctor Who.

1141
00:47:23.159 --> 00:47:26.340
You know, it's a thing that you can do something about and that we

1142
00:47:26.340 --> 00:47:27.059
can relate to.

1143
00:47:27.119 --> 00:47:30.179
This is like, what sort of bullshit is he?

1144
00:47:30.239 --> 00:47:30.840
feel about this.

1145
00:47:30.900 --> 00:47:33.900
For that man, you lost his wife in the survivors.

1146
00:47:33.960 --> 00:47:36.000
And in shadow play, right?

1147
00:47:36.059 --> 00:47:37.500
It's a twofold thing.

1148
00:47:37.559 --> 00:47:41.039
One, it's introducing the length that the Dominion can go to

1149
00:47:41.039 --> 00:47:44.099
before we even meet the Dominion because they're responsible for

1150
00:47:44.099 --> 00:47:46.980
everyone dying in that before we even met them.

1151
00:47:47.039 --> 00:47:50.820
It's the 1st big sort of serious indication that they're a big

1152
00:47:50.820 --> 00:47:51.300
threat.

1153
00:47:51.360 --> 00:47:56.340
And the 2nd thing is we spent the whole episode getting close in

1154
00:47:56.340 --> 00:48:00.059
really likeable ways to those hologram characters.

1155
00:48:00.059 --> 00:48:03.300
And Odo Majesty is some passioned speech at the end of the old man

1156
00:48:03.300 --> 00:48:05.039
saying, no, you can't just switch it off.

1157
00:48:05.099 --> 00:48:07.739
You know, they're real to you, those people.

1158
00:48:07.800 --> 00:48:08.880
And they're real to me.

1159
00:48:08.940 --> 00:48:10.619
I've got a relationship with that little girl.

1160
00:48:10.679 --> 00:48:14.460
So turn the bloody thing back on and you're like, okay, yes, I can

1161
00:48:14.460 --> 00:48:15.599
feel something about this.

1162
00:48:15.659 --> 00:48:18.539
I can't feel anything about this.

1163
00:48:18.599 --> 00:48:22.619
Can I just say, though, that terrible speech that Renee just

1164
00:48:22.619 --> 00:48:23.219
gave?

1165
00:48:23.280 --> 00:48:25.500
His face was so interesting.

1166
00:48:25.559 --> 00:48:27.300
It's so animated.

1167
00:48:27.300 --> 00:48:30.840
And you just see, what the fuck were you doing for 7 years

1168
00:48:30.840 --> 00:48:33.719
slathering that thing on top of him?

1169
00:48:33.780 --> 00:48:36.179
Look how mobile and interesting.

1170
00:48:36.239 --> 00:48:37.920
He's such a good actor.

1171
00:48:37.980 --> 00:48:39.179
And this is shit.

1172
00:48:39.239 --> 00:48:40.079
Do you know what I mean?

1173
00:48:40.139 --> 00:48:42.480
But he's absolutely giving it his all.

1174
00:48:43.320 --> 00:48:47.519
You gave him great things, but you've covered him in latex.

1175
00:48:49.139 --> 00:48:53.219
I mean, I've often said, it's a testament to his actor that the

1176
00:48:53.219 --> 00:48:56.280
performance still shines through all the last sex.

1177
00:48:56.340 --> 00:48:58.079
But do you know what I mean?

1178
00:48:58.139 --> 00:48:59.099
Like, look at him.

1179
00:48:59.159 --> 00:49:00.000
He's so good.

1180
00:49:00.059 --> 00:49:02.159
Look in his eyes, though.

1181
00:49:02.219 --> 00:49:04.139
I think his eyes are his greatest weapon.

1182
00:49:04.199 --> 00:49:07.739
But I actually kind of like that slightly craggier face.

1183
00:49:07.800 --> 00:49:08.460
Do you know what I mean?

1184
00:49:08.519 --> 00:49:10.139
And he looks a little bit more lived in.

1185
00:49:10.199 --> 00:49:12.179
I mean, he's clearly older, you can tell.

1186
00:49:12.239 --> 00:49:14.579
He's older than most of the cast.

1187
00:49:15.599 --> 00:49:17.579
Do you know what, this as well?

1188
00:49:17.639 --> 00:49:20.940
I realised there's just not apart from trip, there's nothing for

1189
00:49:20.940 --> 00:49:22.380
the other regulars to do here.

1190
00:49:22.440 --> 00:49:24.179
Is that like beyond the investigation.

1191
00:49:24.239 --> 00:49:26.519
There's no character for any.

1192
00:49:26.579 --> 00:49:29.760
You know, the best DS9 episodes we've watched in the last sort of

1193
00:49:29.760 --> 00:49:32.039
4 seasons where I say, look, do you know what?

1194
00:49:32.099 --> 00:49:34.559
They all get their one scene, but it's a character moment every

1195
00:49:34.559 --> 00:49:35.400
time, you know?

1196
00:49:35.460 --> 00:49:36.840
There's nothing.

1197
00:49:36.960 --> 00:49:39.900
Spacula's in this scene, but I just don't know what he's doing.

1198
00:49:39.960 --> 00:49:45.780
So Travis talks about ghosts and he also tells a ghost story in

1199
00:49:45.780 --> 00:49:47.340
Strange New World.

1200
00:49:47.340 --> 00:49:53.579
And so maybe the boomers are kind of a bit weird and a little bit

1201
00:49:53.579 --> 00:49:55.079
kind of superstitious.

1202
00:49:55.139 --> 00:49:55.980
Do you know what I mean?

1203
00:49:56.039 --> 00:49:58.380
Because they're run with these space travel people.

1204
00:49:58.440 --> 00:49:59.880
They don't run with anything for him.

1205
00:49:59.940 --> 00:50:00.780
Do you know what I mean?

1206
00:50:00.840 --> 00:50:03.059
Like they just never go anywhere with any of that.

1207
00:50:03.300 --> 00:50:06.840
I don't, I guess the episode in season two, right?

1208
00:50:06.900 --> 00:50:09.539
Then after that, I don't think we get another Travis episode.

1209
00:50:09.599 --> 00:50:11.340
At all.

1210
00:50:11.400 --> 00:50:12.960
Shocking.

1211
00:50:13.019 --> 00:50:15.000
So they leave?

1212
00:50:15.059 --> 00:50:15.900
Do they leave?

1213
00:50:16.019 --> 00:50:19.440
So we're in space, but they leave with them.

1214
00:50:20.280 --> 00:50:25.139
And like I didn't quite get what was going on here.

1215
00:50:25.199 --> 00:50:28.860
And and like this is, I don't know what this scene is for.

1216
00:50:28.920 --> 00:50:30.179
What's this scene?

1217
00:50:30.239 --> 00:50:34.079
So he has to make a decision, but we kind of knew that that was

1218
00:50:34.079 --> 00:50:37.800
the choice, but we don't see him make the decision or something.

1219
00:50:37.860 --> 00:50:41.400
There is something very odd about how this is resolved.

1220
00:50:41.460 --> 00:50:43.980
Do you remember the last scene in Shadow Play?

1221
00:50:43.980 --> 00:50:48.239
Where that jolly investigator goes, well, I guess we'll all have

1222
00:50:48.239 --> 00:50:50.219
to get used to the fact that we're all holograms.

1223
00:50:50.280 --> 00:50:52.380
Yeah, drinking value.

1224
00:50:52.440 --> 00:50:55.800
And then Odo turns into the spinning top for the little girl.

1225
00:50:55.920 --> 00:50:57.659
It's wonderful.

1226
00:50:57.719 --> 00:50:59.699
What the hell is this in comparison?

1227
00:51:00.000 --> 00:51:01.980
Can I get you something?

1228
00:51:02.039 --> 00:51:03.059
Some tea.

1229
00:51:03.179 --> 00:51:04.019
I'm fine.

1230
00:51:04.739 --> 00:51:07.199
But again, look at his face.

1231
00:51:07.260 --> 00:51:10.139
Like, look at how animated he is, that smile, everything.

1232
00:51:10.199 --> 00:51:13.800
You know, the little bit of weariness, you know, like he's good.

1233
00:51:13.860 --> 00:51:17.280
Your engineer is a very plain spoken man.

1234
00:51:17.340 --> 00:51:19.320
That's one way of pushing it.

1235
00:51:19.380 --> 00:51:21.000
Oh, this just end already.

1236
00:51:23.159 --> 00:51:25.860
I have to say that I did like that line.

1237
00:51:25.920 --> 00:51:29.639
I may have been clutch, clutching at straws, but I did think that

1238
00:51:29.639 --> 00:51:31.619
sort of world-weary way that...

1239
00:51:31.619 --> 00:51:31.980
There we go.

1240
00:51:31.980 --> 00:51:33.480
We've got online for the episode.

1241
00:51:33.539 --> 00:51:36.119
There's much more than our little oasis.

1242
00:51:36.179 --> 00:51:36.960
Yeah.

1243
00:51:37.019 --> 00:51:37.559
Yeah.

1244
00:51:37.619 --> 00:51:43.199
I think if you ran an enterprise episode through an AI generator

1245
00:51:43.199 --> 00:51:46.199
to get a script, it might be this script.

1246
00:51:46.260 --> 00:51:46.920
To be the same.

1247
00:51:46.980 --> 00:51:49.500
There's such functionality in the dialogue.

1248
00:51:49.559 --> 00:51:52.559
Yeah, but there's, it's not about anything.

1249
00:51:52.619 --> 00:51:54.059
It's so boring.

1250
00:51:54.119 --> 00:51:55.260
It's so boring.

1251
00:51:56.099 --> 00:51:59.699
It may not seem anything more than spare parts to you.

1252
00:51:59.760 --> 00:52:00.900
That ship down there.

1253
00:52:00.960 --> 00:52:03.719
I've lived there for 22 years for me.

1254
00:52:03.780 --> 00:52:04.440
It's my home.

1255
00:52:04.500 --> 00:52:05.880
We don't care.

1256
00:52:09.480 --> 00:52:13.619
Sorry, Renee, I love you, but we don't care.

1257
00:52:13.679 --> 00:52:16.440
But again, if it had been about his wife.

1258
00:52:16.500 --> 00:52:18.059
What if it had been about his wife?

1259
00:52:18.119 --> 00:52:19.559
He hasn't do you know what I mean?

1260
00:52:19.619 --> 00:52:21.719
Like his wife is down there.

1261
00:52:21.780 --> 00:52:23.099
Yeah?

1262
00:52:23.159 --> 00:52:25.019
How long is this scene?

1263
00:52:25.079 --> 00:52:27.179
There's still another 2 minutes to go.

1264
00:52:27.239 --> 00:52:27.900
We've watched it.

1265
00:52:27.960 --> 00:52:30.900
We've been watching this. none of this is new.

1266
00:52:30.960 --> 00:52:33.119
We know what the stakes are.

1267
00:52:33.239 --> 00:52:34.800
That was what the last scene was about.

1268
00:52:34.860 --> 00:52:36.659
Why do we have to have a scene?

1269
00:52:36.719 --> 00:52:39.480
I mean, a scene with Bacula and Aubergenoir together?

1270
00:52:39.539 --> 00:52:40.019
Do that.

1271
00:52:40.079 --> 00:52:40.739
Absolutely.

1272
00:52:40.800 --> 00:52:41.579
Do you know what I mean?

1273
00:52:41.639 --> 00:52:45.000
He's the lead of the show and let's see him acting alongside

1274
00:52:45.000 --> 00:52:45.780
Renee.

1275
00:52:45.840 --> 00:52:47.340
But, like, what?

1276
00:52:47.400 --> 00:52:48.420
Oh, just, you know.

1277
00:52:48.480 --> 00:52:50.579
This is Sam, what's his face?

1278
00:52:50.639 --> 00:52:51.300
Sam Beckett.

1279
00:52:51.360 --> 00:52:54.000
And Odo, for God's sake.

1280
00:52:54.059 --> 00:52:54.780
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1281
00:52:54.840 --> 00:52:56.400
They should be riveting.

1282
00:52:57.179 --> 00:53:02.880
I'll tell you why it's gone through the Berman Braga generator.

1283
00:53:02.940 --> 00:53:04.440
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right.

1284
00:53:05.099 --> 00:53:07.440
Oh, and she's back.

1285
00:53:07.500 --> 00:53:08.639
Oh, they're all trying...

1286
00:53:08.699 --> 00:53:09.360
Now, look.

1287
00:53:09.420 --> 00:53:12.780
You really did try and stress, you know, in that interview with

1288
00:53:12.780 --> 00:53:15.719
the Enterprise crew long after, you know, the dust had settled on

1289
00:53:15.719 --> 00:53:19.980
the show that you had great plans for Enterprise, but I just can't

1290
00:53:19.980 --> 00:53:21.719
see it, mate. in series one.

1291
00:53:21.780 --> 00:53:24.780
Like you said your hands were tired, but you could still write

1292
00:53:24.780 --> 00:53:26.219
interesting stories.

1293
00:53:26.280 --> 00:53:29.340
You managed to do it every now and again on Voyager, and you

1294
00:53:29.340 --> 00:53:32.579
certainly managed it fairly frequently latter-day TNG.

1295
00:53:32.639 --> 00:53:35.460
He cannot blame the studio for this.

1296
00:53:35.519 --> 00:53:36.719
Do you know what I mean?

1297
00:53:36.780 --> 00:53:39.300
Because this is the sort of shit that, you know, like he's just

1298
00:53:39.300 --> 00:53:40.679
churning out in his sleep.

1299
00:53:40.739 --> 00:53:42.239
It's so boring.

1300
00:53:42.300 --> 00:53:44.639
And look, we're doing another ice cream thing.

1301
00:53:44.699 --> 00:53:45.599
Do you know what I mean?

1302
00:53:45.719 --> 00:53:47.400
She's trying to seem charming.

1303
00:53:47.460 --> 00:53:50.340
He's trying to be charming, but what are they being charming

1304
00:53:50.340 --> 00:53:50.579
about?

1305
00:53:50.639 --> 00:53:53.400
They've got a shared interest in fucking ice cream?

1306
00:53:53.460 --> 00:53:54.000
Are you serious?

1307
00:53:54.059 --> 00:53:55.440
Like, that's the best we can do?

1308
00:53:56.579 --> 00:53:58.800
Ice cream's great though.

1309
00:53:58.860 --> 00:53:59.699
It is really good.

1310
00:53:59.760 --> 00:54:00.900
Oh, come on.

1311
00:54:00.900 --> 00:54:04.619
These chaste kisses on Northeast Trek.

1312
00:54:04.679 --> 00:54:06.480
Yeah, that's an awful kiss too.

1313
00:54:06.539 --> 00:54:07.739
Like, there's no hands involved.

1314
00:54:07.800 --> 00:54:08.519
You know what I mean?

1315
00:54:08.579 --> 00:54:10.260
It's like they're leaning open towards one another.

1316
00:54:11.579 --> 00:54:13.500
I'll see you out there.

1317
00:54:13.559 --> 00:54:14.760
That's it, the end.

1318
00:54:14.820 --> 00:54:18.539
Oh, we never see her smile.

1319
00:54:18.599 --> 00:54:21.000
But again, you know, like and there we go.

1320
00:54:21.059 --> 00:54:21.480
That's that.

1321
00:54:21.539 --> 00:54:22.260
That's that.

1322
00:54:22.320 --> 00:54:23.340
That's so boring.

1323
00:54:23.460 --> 00:54:24.719
Isn't that boring?

1324
00:54:24.780 --> 00:54:25.920
Why was he even in space before?

1325
00:54:25.980 --> 00:54:27.059
I don't even understand.

1326
00:54:27.179 --> 00:54:29.159
Do you know, absolutely not.

1327
00:54:29.219 --> 00:54:31.500
Actually, I'm gonna say something that might shock you now.

1328
00:54:31.559 --> 00:54:31.980
Yeah?

1329
00:54:32.039 --> 00:54:35.940
And that is that I question whether we ever should have gone out

1330
00:54:35.940 --> 00:54:36.539
into space.

1331
00:54:36.599 --> 00:54:39.900
If this is the sort of adventure, that we were going to have.

1332
00:54:39.960 --> 00:54:40.559
All right.

1333
00:54:40.619 --> 00:54:43.440
Now, I know down the line, we're going to have many fun, exciting

1334
00:54:43.440 --> 00:54:48.780
and cringy adventures, but I mean, I may have gone back to Earth

1335
00:54:48.780 --> 00:54:49.500
after this one.

1336
00:54:49.500 --> 00:54:51.420
I've got no, there ain't much out there, I'm afraid.

1337
00:54:51.480 --> 00:54:53.760
It's just boring.

1338
00:54:53.820 --> 00:54:57.360
I just can't believe how dull and unambitious it is.

1339
00:54:57.420 --> 00:55:00.780
But also just sort of how incompetent it is, like how it just

1340
00:55:00.780 --> 00:55:04.019
doesn't do the things that a TV episode needs to do.

1341
00:55:04.079 --> 00:55:07.559
It's just, it's really upsettingly bad.

1342
00:55:07.920 --> 00:55:10.079
But not in a fun way.

1343
00:55:10.139 --> 00:55:15.360
Even when Star Trek can be unambitious. and we've watched plenty

1344
00:55:15.360 --> 00:55:15.719
of those.

1345
00:55:15.780 --> 00:55:19.920
Yeah, there can still be a better passion in the dialogue or the

1346
00:55:19.920 --> 00:55:23.219
performances or the direction or just something.

1347
00:55:23.579 --> 00:55:28.440
Oh, Nathan, let's never think about Oasis again.

1348
00:55:28.500 --> 00:55:29.219
And you know what?

1349
00:55:29.280 --> 00:55:31.559
That isn't going to be hot.

1350
00:55:31.619 --> 00:55:34.320
I'll have forgotten it by the time I go to bed.

1351
00:55:34.440 --> 00:55:36.599
What did we just watch again?

1352
00:55:36.659 --> 00:55:37.860
you can say.

1353
00:55:43.980 --> 00:55:47.519
All right, it's the end of the episode.

1354
00:55:48.300 --> 00:55:51.840
And it's time for us to find out if we can find something better

1355
00:55:51.840 --> 00:55:53.280
to watch next time.

1356
00:55:53.340 --> 00:55:59.760
So to that end, I've ceded control of the Randomiser Joe, who has

1357
00:55:59.760 --> 00:56:03.480
chosen what series for us to watch.

1358
00:56:03.480 --> 00:56:07.199
I mean, I wasn't in control last time and I still feel responsible

1359
00:56:07.260 --> 00:56:08.039
stuffed it up.

1360
00:56:08.099 --> 00:56:09.179
It's a time off.

1361
00:56:09.239 --> 00:56:12.420
But like, I mean, be grateful for me, all right, because it means

1362
00:56:12.420 --> 00:56:14.880
down the line we don't have to watch whatever that was.

1363
00:56:14.940 --> 00:56:15.539
We just watched.

1364
00:56:15.659 --> 00:56:20.639
We did watch that instead of Cold Station 12. for generation.

1365
00:56:20.699 --> 00:56:22.139
That's right.

1366
00:56:22.440 --> 00:56:27.360
Well, I can promise you, no matter how bad, whatever I choose next

1367
00:56:27.360 --> 00:56:30.119
it'll be better than, nope, I still can't remember it.

1368
00:56:32.280 --> 00:56:35.400
And, you know, I hope to do this, right?

1369
00:56:35.519 --> 00:56:38.880
I'm going to be predictable because as you always take us to

1370
00:56:38.880 --> 00:56:43.019
Enterprise, I will always take us to Deep Space 9, I don't care.

1371
00:56:43.079 --> 00:56:44.219
I don't care.

1372
00:56:44.219 --> 00:56:47.760
Because I love it and I want to watch it again.

1373
00:56:47.820 --> 00:56:51.360
It's been about, it has been about 5 or 6 episodes since we last.

1374
00:56:51.360 --> 00:56:51.719
Probably two.

1375
00:56:51.719 --> 00:56:52.920
And we were together.

1376
00:56:54.659 --> 00:56:56.760
We was together last time, weren't we?

1377
00:56:56.820 --> 00:56:58.320
Yeah, Isra and the big gun.

1378
00:56:58.380 --> 00:56:59.880
Yep, that was pretty good.

1379
00:56:59.940 --> 00:57:00.900
Okay.

1380
00:57:00.960 --> 00:57:01.619
All right.

1381
00:57:01.679 --> 00:57:02.460
Well, hang on.

1382
00:57:02.519 --> 00:57:04.260
Let me, here we go.

1383
00:57:04.320 --> 00:57:05.579
Oh, it's one we've done.

1384
00:57:05.639 --> 00:57:08.519
Your random Star Trek, the Express 9 is season six, episode

1385
00:57:08.519 --> 00:57:09.179
seven.

1386
00:57:09.239 --> 00:57:10.320
You are cordially invited.

1387
00:57:10.440 --> 00:57:11.400
Oh wonderful.

1388
00:57:11.460 --> 00:57:14.880
Now, do you remember, do you remember the Martha character in

1389
00:57:14.880 --> 00:57:15.059
that?

1390
00:57:15.119 --> 00:57:15.780
Syrilla?

1391
00:57:15.840 --> 00:57:20.940
Yes. that's how you do it. as Maya, but she was pretty good.

1392
00:57:21.719 --> 00:57:26.699
Oh, you're right up Star Trek Deep Space 9 episode is, this is

1393
00:57:26.699 --> 00:57:28.380
directed by Renee, this one.

1394
00:57:28.440 --> 00:57:29.159
Oh, okay.

1395
00:57:29.159 --> 00:57:31.019
Season six, episode 11.

1396
00:57:31.320 --> 00:57:32.460
Waltz.

1397
00:57:32.519 --> 00:57:35.940
That's the one with Mad Ducart.

1398
00:57:36.059 --> 00:57:40.920
And, you know, Kira and Wayoon and DeMar are all in his head.

1399
00:57:40.980 --> 00:57:42.960
Oh, okay. do you think?

1400
00:57:43.260 --> 00:57:45.599
It's a 2 hand, huh?

1401
00:57:45.659 --> 00:57:51.539
It's the last appearance of the TNG season one studio planet.

1402
00:57:51.599 --> 00:57:52.920
Oh, really?

1403
00:57:52.980 --> 00:57:53.400
Okay.

1404
00:57:53.460 --> 00:57:59.340
They've learned to fill it with smoke and crazy lightning to make

1405
00:57:59.340 --> 00:58:00.360
it a bit more...

1406
00:58:00.420 --> 00:58:01.440
You sure it's the last appearance?

1407
00:58:01.500 --> 00:58:03.719
It's impossible to believe a whole year out.

1408
00:58:03.780 --> 00:58:08.159
They must have gone back to the TNG stock planet. literally, you

1409
00:58:08.159 --> 00:58:11.340
know, with the treadfall, sort of...

1410
00:58:12.119 --> 00:58:16.800
Well, I mean, it's more Kalamo and Avery Brooks, you know.

1411
00:58:16.860 --> 00:58:19.260
I mean, always worth watching, isn't it?

1412
00:58:19.320 --> 00:58:20.400
I think that could be good.

1413
00:58:20.460 --> 00:58:25.980
I seem to recall Alameo gets a speech that's about 2 minutes long

1414
00:58:25.980 --> 00:58:27.300
at the end of the episode.

1415
00:58:27.360 --> 00:58:29.039
Is it about a big ugly tree?

1416
00:58:29.099 --> 00:58:33.300
No, but it does culminate with him saying, I should have turned

1417
00:58:33.300 --> 00:58:36.719
their planet into a graveyard, the likes of which the galaxy has

1418
00:58:36.719 --> 00:58:39.239
never seen, which is the sort of dialogue.

1419
00:58:39.300 --> 00:58:41.639
I like a villain to have.

1420
00:58:41.760 --> 00:58:42.179
Absolutely.

1421
00:58:42.239 --> 00:58:42.960
Absolutely.

1422
00:58:43.019 --> 00:58:46.980
And so that's him deciding to just be sort of crazy all out evil

1423
00:58:46.980 --> 00:58:50.219
from here on in, you know, like we thought for 2nd some humanity

1424
00:58:50.219 --> 00:58:51.480
had seeped in or something.

1425
00:58:51.539 --> 00:58:53.280
He's lost the owl, see?

1426
00:58:53.340 --> 00:58:54.539
So his mind has snapped.

1427
00:58:54.599 --> 00:58:56.340
It's after sacrifice of angels.

1428
00:58:56.400 --> 00:58:58.260
It opens where he's in prison, you know?

1429
00:58:58.320 --> 00:58:59.460
Okay, okay.

1430
00:58:59.519 --> 00:59:01.019
Oh, should we do it?

1431
00:59:01.079 --> 00:59:02.219
Should we go back to the Dominion?

1432
00:59:02.280 --> 00:59:02.880
Definitely do it.

1433
00:59:02.940 --> 00:59:04.139
Yeah, okay, for sure.

1434
00:59:04.139 --> 00:59:08.340
And plus, you'll get to see none of our visitor playing Evil

1435
00:59:08.340 --> 00:59:13.440
Phantom inside Dukat's head, laughing head off. maniacally at it.

1436
00:59:13.500 --> 00:59:15.000
Yeah, brilliant, brilliant.

1437
00:59:24.300 --> 00:59:27.599
You've been listening to entitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford

1438
00:59:27.599 --> 00:59:31.679
and Nathan Bottomley, where online at Untitled Star Trek Project

1439
00:59:30.780 --> 00:59:34.199
com, where you can find subscription links and links to our social

1440
00:59:34.199 --> 00:59:35.159
media accounts.

1441
00:59:35.219 --> 00:59:39.239
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Ciceran and the theme was composed

1442
00:59:39.239 --> 00:59:40.440
by Cameron Lamb.

1443
00:59:40.500 --> 00:59:45.059
This episode was recorded on the 4th of November 2025 and released

1444
00:59:45.059 --> 00:59:46.619
on the 7th of November.

1445
00:59:46.679 --> 00:59:49.800
We'll see you next time for Star Trek Deep Space 9.

1446
00:59:49.860 --> 00:59:52.440
Waltz. once more.

1447
01:00:07.559 --> 01:00:09.000
All right.

1448
01:00:09.059 --> 01:00:11.519
I will kind of say, no, I haven't even got it.

1449
01:00:11.579 --> 01:00:12.119
Let me see.

1450
01:00:15.179 --> 01:00:16.500
Okay.

1451
01:00:17.880 --> 01:00:20.280
Ugh, Christ.

1452
01:00:20.340 --> 01:00:21.539
Normally I watch these twice.

1453
01:00:21.599 --> 01:00:23.099
Okay, here goes.

1454
01:00:23.159 --> 01:00:24.719
You don't need to.

1455
01:00:24.780 --> 01:00:25.139
No.

1456
01:00:28.380 --> 01:00:32.579
That could bring the tag, just that little exchange.

1457
01:00:34.500 --> 01:00:36.360
That would be great.

1458
01:00:36.360 --> 01:00:38.699
Just that.

1459
01:00:41.760 --> 01:00:43.440
All right, I'll count us in.

1460
01:00:43.980 --> 01:00:48.960
Five, four, three, two, one.