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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So, we're back, and we're back aboard the Enterprise D for the 3rd

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episode of Star Trek, the Next Generation.

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This is the Naked Now, which was 1st broadcast on the 5th of

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October, 1987, a day that we'll live in infamy.

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What does that even mean?

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The naked now.

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So obviously this is a remake of the naked time, which is series

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one, episode 15 of Star Trek, the original series.

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And in a way, it's kind of a bit early and a bit risky to remake

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an episode so directly.

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In fact, both the TNG and the TOS episode have Co-Story Credit by

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John DF Black, because they are so similar.

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Oh, really?

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Was he involved in this one?

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I don't know if he was involved or whether they just gave him the

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co-story credit because they ripped it off.

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It is really similar.

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I have to say that I did watch the naked time as preparation for

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this and it's not as good as the naked now.

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I thought it was substantially worse.

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It must be very bad indeed then.

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So yeah, the problem was, I think, that because the baseline of

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normal behaviour on Star Trek, TOS is fairly odd and in early

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TNG.

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It's fairly odd.

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It's a little bit hard to distinguish whether people are behaving

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oddly because they're intoxicated or oddly because they're just

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badly written.

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All right.

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But the naked now has some advantages over the naked time, I think

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which are that in the naked time all the men start behaving like

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absolute arsehole, and it's all about kind of, they all get sort

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of very aggressively heterosexual and stuff, which is upsetting.

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Where Sulu takes his top off and starts fencing with people.

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Yeah, yeah.

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I mean, I don't just actually like that.

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That's very good. very sweaty, isn't he?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And because we have a bigger, regular cast in TNG, we give the

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role of Mr. Riley, who takes over engineering and declares himself

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captain and says ice cream for everyone.

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That goes to Wesley, and that's a more interesting choice, I think

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because he's a regular character.

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You might be redefining the word interesting there.

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I mean, he does have a similar line, doesn't he?

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I hereby announce that a dessert course shall be available before

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and after.

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Every shift shall proceed and follow each meal, including

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breakfast, which I think is great.

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It also does mention that the ship, this is the naked time.

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The Naked Time also does mention that the ship has a bowling alley

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apparently.

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Mr Riley declares that there'll be a dance in the bowling alley.

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So I don't know what happens when they're under attack, you know

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or the inertial dampers are failing.

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They must be fully balls fly all over the place.

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Yeah.

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So it's kind of bad.

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It is kind of bad and I did...

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All right.

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I mean, now, I mean, can I say, I do wonder if it's maybe a little

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early in TNG's rum. to be presenting something quite this play

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school for everybody to watch.

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I mean, it's so stupid this.

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Well, so I don't mind Star Trek being stupid as we've said before

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and I can understand people not wanting it to be stupid in this

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particular way, though.

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I think that, like, what we used to say is we don't know these

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characters yet.

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So when they behave oddly, it doesn't really work.

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But the idea, it's in the title.

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Is it the naked time, the naked now?

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It makes people behave and reveal their real feelings.

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And so at least for Geordie early on, in again, like a ham

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fistedly written scene, we get something about, you know, his

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feelings about his disability and stuff like that.

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And it's a crappy scene and embarrassingly written and stuff.

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But that's clearly what they're going for.

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It's a way of revealing the characters in most feelings.

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Now, the interesting thing about this is that the other credit, so

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the story, credit, and the tale play credit go to J.

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Michael Bingham, and that's actually DC Fontana.

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So she wrote this and she took her name off it.

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Do you want to guess why?

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Yeah, because it's terrible.

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No, God, tell me why. particularly what terrible aspect of it.

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Do you think she?

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Not dates are having sex, was it?

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Close.

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It was how horny all the 3 regular women are in the episode and

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that's Gene.

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So Gene makes all 3 of the women horny in this episode.

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Not just horny, though.

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They were sort of predatory.

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And I don't like that.

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Why can't women just be sexy?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah.

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Like, well, no, Deanna's not exactly predatory.

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Tanjure is.

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She's walking death.

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She may as well be in one of those freaking rape Gavin.

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She's walking around the corridors, picking out men, just walking

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up to people, snogging them, and then Troy visits her quarters.

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It's like, all she can do to not jump on her.

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Like, it's, what the hell's happened to you, Tasha?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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No, it's so that's super embarrassing.

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And like the naked time was embarrassing, but in a different way

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because all of the men were so aggressively kind of like sexually

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aggressive and upsettingly so.

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Whereas in this, the women are sexually aggressive in a way that

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Gene obviously thinks is super hot.

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But he's just really kind of embarrassing and undermines them.

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I think Fontana said that she felt that it undermined them as

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professionals, which I think it definitely does.

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I said to you in a message that, um, and I do find this very often

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not just in Star Trek, but in television in general, when people

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are called upon to act drunk or intoxicated, generally speaking

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they somehow forget what it's like to be drunk and just act in

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like a ridiculously childish sort of a way.

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And that happens throughout this entire episode in ways where I

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was just watching through my fingers going, this is just so

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cringe.

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But if the idea is to show these characters relaxed, yeah?

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Or less straight laced as we've seen them in Encounter a Farpoint

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and it is too early to do that, I think.

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It's in no way what we see later down the line when they're

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chill.

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Yeah.

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I have a theory about drugs on TV and it is that on TV, everyone's

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drugs are better than yours.

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You know what I mean?

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That's definitely what's happening here.

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Um, so I think, though, that there is some funny drunk acting and

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there are bits that I think are cute, but this is obviously the

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sort of thing that the show would have done better later, not

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because we know who the characters are, because the characters are

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paper thinned, let's face it, but because the actors had relaxed

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by then and are much more fun together.

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And so something like disaster, which is basically a comedy

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works.

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Yeah, or Rascals works, because that's stupid.

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It's so much fun to watch. you know, exactly.

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It doesn't need to come with a warning, brain cells will be

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ejected before the end of the 45 minutes.

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I mean, I watched as preparation for this DS9's fascination, so

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that was the other one we said, because that's another love virus

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episode.

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And whilst I do think it is kind of dismal in many ways.

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Like, I don't think it's in any way as funny as it's trying to

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be.

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Wisely, it is later in the run where everyone is very good at

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playing their parts and can absolutely differentiate between when

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they are normal and when they're in a more subtle sort of a way

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but just the character interactions are more sophisticated on that

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show.

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So away from the love virus bullshit plot that's playing out, which

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is just so thin.

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There's an O'Brien and Keiko domestic story playing out, which is

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it just is infused with genuine feeling, right?

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And it feels real.

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It's thin again, but it feels real.

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I actually thought that was an extremely good episode.

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I don't think that's, like, we'll get there, but I think

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fascination is really cool.

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No, but I'll tell you why.

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I think the reason that it's good is that you've got this

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relationship between Keiko and O'Brien and you do a soap opera

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kind of plot or a sitcom plot, which is not the sort of thing that

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Star Trek does.

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None of the characters on TNG are married, you know, or even

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partnered.

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And here you have a couple, and it's real.

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That scene where he's expecting sex goddess Keiko to arrive and so

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that he can have a fabulous dirty weekend and she arrives, but

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she's grumpy and tired and Molly throws up on him.

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Oh, that's right.

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Like, it's like...

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I shouldn't have given you all that candy, should I?

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That's awesome.

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But that's what that's what a real relationship is like.

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And like, O'Brien is trying to cope with his disappointment, but

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he can't because he's a bit of a prick and he's a man and stuff.

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But he's trying to apologise and trying to be a good guy and they

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work it out and then, you know, we get like not what he hoped for

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but something along those lines.

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And then it, right?

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I kept messing you going, my God, this is like my relationship.

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I've seen a whole scene playing out where everything he tries to

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do, she's sort of buying at him.

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Even he's saying all these contradictory things to try and please

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her and he just can't win.

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And then in the next scene, then he gets all jealous and like, oh

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well, go on and go back to Fajor and be with that man who you

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clearly loved chatting away about our relationship with and she

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goes, I will.

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I don't want to be in the same room with you right now.

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I was like, go on, Keiko, you take him. like it's real.

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And it's counterpointed by the ridiculous Midsummer Night's dream

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background story where everyone's falling in love with the wrong

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person.

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With very bad sort of drunk acting again, though.

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But it's not quite drunk acting.

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It is just hilariously silly smitten acting and it is absolutely.

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It's got to be inspired by Midsummer Night's Dream. like

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explicitly so.

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I'd be surprised.

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I just love Jake saying to Kira, do you want to go out with me?

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It's great.

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Like, all of that stuff I thought was really fun.

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And, you know, like it played with the relationships with the

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regulars and stuff, but basically the job was this is infatuation

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and it's stupid and it's not real.

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And here is what a real sexual relationship is like. where Keiko

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comes out wearing the red dress.

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Oh, finally gets to see it in the dress.

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But I thought too, what was really sweet about that is that the

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dress isn't super sexy.

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Do you know what I mean?

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It's not an army, it's a really...

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It's just beautiful and she's beautiful and it's a pretty dress.

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I just thought that was really charming.

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So I thought that episode was good, much better than its

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reputation.

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I went on and then watched empathological fallacies, which is the

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lower decks episode, which follows up on that Xanthe fever. 3

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betazoid women come on board the Cerritos of a certain age and

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everyone starts acting incredibly horny and stuff and behaving

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like massive idiots and hugely sort of emotionally unregulated in

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a much more kind of lurid and hilarious way.

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It's not all about love.

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It's not the one where you see boimless butthole, is it?

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No, that's, remember, that is actually a reference to the naked

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now because it's the naked now simulation or the naked time

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simulation.

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Oh, yeah. for the cat.

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She's there, scratch it away.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Her and Shax are having really kind of violent sex, I think.

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This stuff, Nathan, is ripe to be picked up by lower decks.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Well, in fact, and the naked now is picked at by lower decks, but

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I actually think it's picked up again in a way that is kind of

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touching, remember, in the measure of a man.

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So there's not much character stuff that's been done by then.

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But the fact that data has that little hologram of Tasha um after

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she dies among his personal belongings.

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I think he's like properly touching, and it is a callback to this

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silly episode.

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More touching than that funeral we are to watch in Skit of Evil.

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Absolutely terrible.

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Oh, Wolf.

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You know, like Jesus Christ.

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But I actually say that I found myself charmed by some of the

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really silly gags in this and I could see the beginning of where

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we would end up with this crew where they do get a little bit more

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relaxed.

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So it is, you know, there's dozens of, uh, not dozens, but there

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must be at least a dozen episodes of series one uh, that I would

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rank below this.

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Do you know what I mean?

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hide and queue, home soil, too shorter season.

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There's plenty of them that I just think are shockingly bad.

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Whereas at least I think I can see what they're aiming for even if

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it's too early in the rum.

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The characters are too stiff and the riding's not there.

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Yeah, like, like, I was watching this and I just kept saying out

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loud, how did they recover from this?

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How did people go from encounter a Farbo, which is troubling in

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many different ways to this?

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And then they sat and watched this where, you know, I don't even

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think you need a 2nd brain cell to get through it.

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They must have thought, oh, this this whole, like, is this aimed

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at 4 year old's, like, who's supposed to be watching this show?

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You know, the bit where Picard comes over the intercom and goes

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now, Wesley, you know, people drink alcohol, you know, and they

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get intoxicated.

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I was like, no, we're not doing this in episode two, please.

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And then later in the season, we get there, Tasha, you are going

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you know, Wesley, people take drugs, you know, and it's really

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bad.

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I was like, oh, please.

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It's the Nancy Reagan bit.

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And just the whole, like, to juxtapose Tashiar talking about rape

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gangs and then behaving like a sexual predator herself in the same

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scene.

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I'm like, is anyone looking over this script and saying, this is

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this is not good?

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Well, it's just the mention of rape gangs when you're trying to

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seduce someone seems like literally the least sexy thing that you

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could possibly mention at that point.

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But again, it is an attempt to give her some background, you know

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like she is reclaiming her sexuality after being kind of

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victimised and stuff and in fear and that's what that speech is

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doing.

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It's just really ill charged and not very well done.

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See, I was making connections in other more disturbing ways of

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like, oh, she's been mistreated, so now she's mistreating.

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And no, because I don't think, I don't think her being sexually

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aggressive.

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I don't think that's rapey.

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Do you know what I mean?

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Like it's probably not a good thing in the workplace.

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Do you know why it's rapey because they're all too drunk to say no

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to her.

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Yeah, that's true.

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That's true.

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They're all, you know, ripped old, for God's sake.

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No, but the little the guy with the bad hair, the short guy with

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the bad hair that she kisses in the corridor.

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They've all got terrible hair.

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Well, there's one particular one, and he's seems into it, and

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data's definitely into it.

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And that's another thing I like about that scene is just the goofy

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smile on Data's face and she pulls him into the bedroom.

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It's kind of like, are we doing that?

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The goofy smile on the chief engineer's face.

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Oh, I was like, what is going on here?

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And he's sort of walking into the force.

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Well, you know what?

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I mean, I feel like some culture and intelligent discourse.

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Should we go in?

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I think we probably should.

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I will count us in five, four, three, two, one, and we're off.

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Did you know what my strongest objection to all this is?

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What's?

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is the fact that you're no longer here.

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Yeah, it's upsetting.

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On the other side of the world on my screen again.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Yep, 10,000 miles away.

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Okay.

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Great, super giant stars turning into a white dwarf.

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So in the original, in the naked time, it's actually a planet that

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is about to explode and it's getting bigger and smaller.

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It's called Psi 2000.

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It's getting bigger and smaller.

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It's an ancient planet.

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And so it causes, it has the same gravity things that cause the

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poly water, what's a name?

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Oh, God.

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See this...

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I hope you've got a lot of pretty boys on board, Enterprise.

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We're having a real blowout here.

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Oh, please.

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Even even the woman on the, like every woman gets ridiculously

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horny.

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Like even the woman on the intercom.

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The music in this scene, right?

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So when you hear the explosion, it starts going, da, da, da.

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Yeah, yeah.

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It's like, it's like, dramatic.

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I know.

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But think how boring the music ends up being.

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Patrick Stewart to jump out of his chair just because it's so

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dramatic, you know?

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I have to say, when I started this, I might walk past and saw

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Counsellor Troy sitting in a chair and he went, what is she

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doing?

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Like, why is she on the bridge?

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Like, has she not got some counselling to do?

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She's got to be there to say she can't tell what this alien is

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thinking, but they're definitely hiding something.

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Typically new sports.

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Is that what you're saying?

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Yeah, okay.

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Oh, do you know the new special effects?

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so tasty.

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Look at that sun.

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Yeah, it looks great.

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Actually, I thought these sets were nicely lit as well on the

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spaceship.

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Well, so they're clearly just the sets for, you know, enterprise

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or, you know, they're just the enterprise sets, but they're leeted

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and lit differently.

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The ship comes from Star Trek 3.

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It's the Grissom from Star Trek 3.

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It's Oberth Class, apparently.

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Oh, look, I'd like to see that curly whirly straws are still going

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in the future. in the 24th century.

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Nice to see.

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I think we see some of those in 10 forward actually going forward

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the height of sophistication.

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Yeah, it really is.

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So they're partying and usually Starfleet.

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People are really stiff, so something has gone horribly wrong.

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See, now, here you're riot.

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There's a really great musical sting here, like an electronic

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sting when you realise that the bridge has been vented out into

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space and everyone's died on the bridge.

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And I thought to myself, okay, there's a different version of this

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story that could be told where, you know, the danger isn't Wesley

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Crusher is in charge of engineering and there's a big rock coming

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towards the ship, but, you know, their intoxication, there is a

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situation of real peril, you know, not playful peril.

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No, they choose not to source material.

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Yeah, yeah.

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See, this looks amazing.

401
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And again, you know, he's frozen.

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Yeah, that's right.

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But I always say, you know, Strange New Worlds is doing old, you

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know, Star Trek standards with new technology and new techniques.

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And this is clearly what TNG is doing.

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It's like we're going to do this old Star Trek episode, but we're

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going to do it with more impressive visuals.

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And I think, you know, even though we're bored by these visuals

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after 20 seasons of this crap.

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It did look pretty impressive at the time.

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You know, I did love how everyone was sort of decorously placed in

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that room.

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So they were clearly naked, but we didn't have to see any

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offending appendages.

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Willies.

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Yeah, that's right.

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And of course, covered in ice, so you can just cover up the sort

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of the crevices and things.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, nicely done.

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Although, the lady who fell out of the shower there.

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She was fully closed.

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She was closed.

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In the shower for some reason.

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Was it closet?

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No, but there is someone who falls out.

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I think Sulu finds someone fully clothed in the shower and that's

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later the hint. which helps them solve the problem.

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You noticed, you know, I don't want to objectify too much, but

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there was a very clearly well-proportioned black man frozen up in

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that scene with big muscles.

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Did you see it?

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And hairy chest.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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It's a shame we didn't get to see him thawing out, really, isn't

436
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it?

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Yeah, no.

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He was dead, though.

439
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Okay, so we've got our danger now.

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We realise actually it is following your rule.

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We realise they're intoxicated.

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We realise they're intoxicated to the point where they're in

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danger and they're killing themselves and we know that Geordie has

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caught it because we have a non-digetic sound that happens when

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someone gets infected.

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It sounds like sort of magical dust, doesn't it?

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It's a yeah.

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In, in the TOS episode, that sound is quite scary.

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Like it's actually a well-designed sound.

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It's similar, but they have that sound, but it's scarier.

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Whereas here I think TNG, because it doesn't really do things that

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are non-digetic in that way.

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It's kind of a little bit more realist.

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It seems like they're embarrassed by the sound and so they

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minimalize it a bit, but certainly the sound is better in the

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naked time.

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They fuck it up once in the naked now too, because when Picard

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gets infected, We don't hear the sound or see the skin to skin

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contact, which means that there's been some editing problem, I

460
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think.

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It's very clear. of his performance.

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It's clear that he's doing drunk acting, man.

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The pit where him and Gates both walk out of the room at the same

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time.

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He does this weird comedy turn.

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I was like, yeah, yeah, bad dressing.

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Terrible.

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Don't pack your bag yet, mate.

469
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And he didn't.

470
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But we understand the stakes, right?

471
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That if this thing gets out of control on the enterprise, then

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okay, here's Dr. Beverly.

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She can't find anything unusual.

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So I actually think Gates is pretty good in this because it's the

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usual thing, which is, as chief medical officer, she's terrible

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with medical technobabbler and doesn't understand what's going

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on.

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But because it's very clear what Beverly's doing as a character, I

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actually really like it when she gets drunk and is trying to hold

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it together and is sort of pinning her hair up out of her face and

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stuff and trying to concentrate.

482
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She really sells that really well when she's starting to lose it a

483
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bit.

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Set the transporter to maximum decontamination.

485
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Well, why would you ever say it's a minimum decontamination?

486
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For God's sakes.

487
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Yeah, you have to get the you have to get the ointment out, I

488
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think, probably.

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I would suggest that they are all screened in an airlock or

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something before you just beam them back in.

491
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Now like, you deserve what you get.

492
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Well, that's the other thing here is that, of course, the

493
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quarantine things on this ship are just absolutely crap.

494
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We know that he's been infected by something we don't know what it

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is.

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We don't put him in a screen or anything like that.

497
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Oh, Nathan, I've just realised, you know, director.

498
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Yeah?

499
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Yes.

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Who directed us?

501
00:24:28.500 --> 00:24:30.480
I think he did skin of evil, didn't he?

502
00:24:30.660 --> 00:24:39.000
He actually does 5 TNGs and 9 DS9s.

503
00:24:39.059 --> 00:24:40.019
Oh, does he?

504
00:24:40.079 --> 00:24:41.579
Oh, yeah.

505
00:24:41.640 --> 00:24:43.140
I don't know what they are, but yeah.

506
00:24:43.200 --> 00:24:44.400
Paul Lynch.

507
00:24:44.460 --> 00:24:44.880
Okay.

508
00:24:44.940 --> 00:24:45.720
Paul Lynch.

509
00:24:45.779 --> 00:24:47.819
He started here with the naked now.

510
00:24:47.940 --> 00:24:50.640
I'm surprised he ever works again.

511
00:24:51.660 --> 00:24:52.559
It definitely did.

512
00:24:52.619 --> 00:24:55.559
Well, I don't think this is badly directed, and I think the bones

513
00:24:55.559 --> 00:24:56.759
of this story are reasonable.

514
00:24:56.819 --> 00:24:58.079
It's DC Fontana.

515
00:24:58.140 --> 00:25:01.200
She's not an idiot and like it's a reasonably...

516
00:25:01.259 --> 00:25:05.460
Oh, I mean, it shows you the virus going from person to person and

517
00:25:05.460 --> 00:25:08.819
then the danger increases, even though it is a great comedy rock

518
00:25:08.880 --> 00:25:10.859
that's heading towards the Enterprise.

519
00:25:10.920 --> 00:25:11.819
Yeah, yeah.

520
00:25:12.299 --> 00:25:15.960
Wouldn't it be embarrassing if this is how they all died, you

521
00:25:15.960 --> 00:25:16.200
know?

522
00:25:16.980 --> 00:25:18.720
Comedy rock.

523
00:25:18.779 --> 00:25:21.720
Tasha died with data inside.

524
00:25:21.779 --> 00:25:25.440
I mean, it would have just been, yeah, not the way anyone would

525
00:25:25.440 --> 00:25:26.039
have chosen.

526
00:25:26.099 --> 00:25:26.759
Actually, no.

527
00:25:26.819 --> 00:25:28.559
Tashi died by the end of the season.

528
00:25:28.619 --> 00:25:31.140
She probably would have preferred to go this way Probably.

529
00:25:31.200 --> 00:25:34.380
I have to say that this scene between, like, I think that Jonathan

530
00:25:34.380 --> 00:25:36.240
is wonderful in this already.

531
00:25:36.299 --> 00:25:37.079
Do you know what I mean?

532
00:25:37.140 --> 00:25:41.940
Like he likes data and is amused by him, but not in a patronising

533
00:25:41.940 --> 00:25:42.240
way.

534
00:25:42.299 --> 00:25:45.480
And when date is pedantic with him earlier, he just says, thank

535
00:25:45.480 --> 00:25:48.299
you, data, and goes on, like he doesn't try and score points off

536
00:25:48.299 --> 00:25:48.720
him or anything.

537
00:25:48.839 --> 00:25:51.900
I mean, I did one daughter because the women were behaving in such

538
00:25:51.900 --> 00:25:57.299
an unreasonable way that Riker, especially in the climax, even

539
00:25:57.299 --> 00:26:00.359
when he's succumbing to the virus, he is the most reasonable

540
00:26:00.359 --> 00:26:03.960
person on the entire ship where he's the one who can hold it

541
00:26:03.960 --> 00:26:04.799
together the most.

542
00:26:04.859 --> 00:26:07.859
He manages to hold it together more than Picard and stuff as

543
00:26:07.859 --> 00:26:08.099
well.

544
00:26:08.160 --> 00:26:11.039
She's got a stylus with her medical tricorder.

545
00:26:11.099 --> 00:26:14.039
No, it's her fabulous hair clip she's got in in this episode as

546
00:26:14.039 --> 00:26:14.460
well.

547
00:26:14.519 --> 00:26:15.960
It doesn't last too long in the series.

548
00:26:16.319 --> 00:26:18.480
This is funny too.

549
00:26:18.539 --> 00:26:22.140
This is the 1st time that we see, I assume, it's the 1st time that

550
00:26:22.140 --> 00:26:26.460
we see someone take their badge off and walk away and that becomes

551
00:26:26.460 --> 00:26:27.180
a thing.

552
00:26:27.240 --> 00:26:28.140
Do you know what I mean?

553
00:26:28.200 --> 00:26:29.400
Wharf does it a couple of times.

554
00:26:29.460 --> 00:26:32.279
He takes his badge off before going off to kind of stick a bat

555
00:26:32.279 --> 00:26:33.660
left into someone.

556
00:26:33.779 --> 00:26:37.440
He's literally just walked out the door.

557
00:26:37.440 --> 00:26:38.339
Yeah, he just walked out the door.

558
00:26:38.339 --> 00:26:39.000
Go and get him.

559
00:26:39.059 --> 00:26:39.480
He just left.

560
00:26:39.599 --> 00:26:42.599
You were just in the room with him, so he hasn't gone far.

561
00:26:42.660 --> 00:26:46.019
But he has to take his communicator off because they have their

562
00:26:46.019 --> 00:26:48.839
communicators with them at all times and the communicator helps

563
00:26:48.839 --> 00:26:49.920
locate them at all times.

564
00:26:49.980 --> 00:26:52.259
So that's a thing that they do to overcome that.

565
00:26:52.319 --> 00:26:54.240
It's like having no mobile phone reception.

566
00:26:54.299 --> 00:26:55.559
He took his communicator off.

567
00:26:55.680 --> 00:26:58.440
The transporter being pick up a biological pattern on the ship.

568
00:26:58.500 --> 00:26:59.160
Well yeah.

569
00:26:59.220 --> 00:26:59.579
Okay.

570
00:26:59.579 --> 00:27:02.519
Sorry.

571
00:27:02.519 --> 00:27:04.980
I'm picking the whole...

572
00:27:05.039 --> 00:27:06.299
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

573
00:27:06.359 --> 00:27:08.460
It's our floor and the technology, yeah?

574
00:27:08.519 --> 00:27:12.180
I have to say that I think the best, Robert, would have done a

575
00:27:12.180 --> 00:27:14.940
better job of keeping the quarantine happening.

576
00:27:15.000 --> 00:27:15.960
All right.

577
00:27:16.019 --> 00:27:20.099
Now we're in this very weird scene with Geordie and Wesley and

578
00:27:20.099 --> 00:27:20.940
Wesley.

579
00:27:21.000 --> 00:27:23.039
We don't have a relationship normally, this pad.

580
00:27:23.099 --> 00:27:23.759
Not really.

581
00:27:23.819 --> 00:27:25.859
They do a bit early on.

582
00:27:25.920 --> 00:27:27.779
I think they do a bit early on.

583
00:27:27.839 --> 00:27:30.539
They're trying to make that happen because they're both sort of

584
00:27:30.539 --> 00:27:31.920
nerds and stuff.

585
00:27:32.039 --> 00:27:37.259
But like that scene opens so oddly with him just moving a chair in

586
00:27:37.259 --> 00:27:38.759
the air and no dialogue.

587
00:27:38.819 --> 00:27:39.660
Do you know what I mean?

588
00:27:39.720 --> 00:27:40.799
We just stand there watching him.

589
00:27:40.859 --> 00:27:42.839
Now you get this chair out.

590
00:27:42.900 --> 00:27:45.599
I modified this to a mini tractor beam.

591
00:27:45.660 --> 00:27:47.819
Wow, Wesley goes. is incredible.

592
00:27:48.299 --> 00:27:51.779
I wonder if that will come in handy during the climax.

593
00:27:51.839 --> 00:27:57.720
And do you think this box that he has that stitches together

594
00:27:57.720 --> 00:28:02.759
Patrick Stewart saying various words so that he can say, you know

595
00:28:02.759 --> 00:28:04.799
chief engineer to the bridge and things?

596
00:28:04.859 --> 00:28:10.500
I mean, anything more square than tape recording or faking

597
00:28:10.500 --> 00:28:11.400
somebody's voice.

598
00:28:11.460 --> 00:28:13.500
So they're giving you orders.

599
00:28:13.859 --> 00:28:17.579
Nathan, I was recording you the entire time you were here, you

600
00:28:17.579 --> 00:28:17.700
know.

601
00:28:17.759 --> 00:28:22.680
You do have 100s of hours, which I want. the sort of order how I

602
00:28:22.680 --> 00:28:24.480
manipulate you into asking me to do.

603
00:28:26.099 --> 00:28:29.279
Jesus Christ, Wesley, you're such a geek.

604
00:28:29.339 --> 00:28:29.940
Oh my god.

605
00:28:30.000 --> 00:28:33.119
He's only got away half a season and Picard will be giving him

606
00:28:33.119 --> 00:28:34.079
orders on the bridge anyway.

607
00:28:34.140 --> 00:28:34.859
Yeah.

608
00:28:35.700 --> 00:28:38.460
It's that thing too, where he's actually kind of a cute kid.

609
00:28:38.519 --> 00:28:39.299
Do you know what I mean?

610
00:28:39.359 --> 00:28:40.500
Like a fresh faced kid.

611
00:28:40.559 --> 00:28:43.319
Like, yeah, I think he is sweet.

612
00:28:43.440 --> 00:28:47.519
He's written like a five-year-old, Rob. 15-year-old is the

613
00:28:47.519 --> 00:28:47.759
trouble.

614
00:28:47.819 --> 00:28:48.900
He's written down.

615
00:28:48.960 --> 00:28:50.759
Well, yeah, and everyone is a little bit.

616
00:28:50.819 --> 00:28:54.359
So I think this scene, again, is an attempt to do what the naked

617
00:28:54.359 --> 00:28:55.980
now title promises.

618
00:28:56.039 --> 00:28:57.720
Oh, wait, this is the one I said before.

619
00:28:57.720 --> 00:28:59.579
It's laboured.

620
00:28:59.640 --> 00:29:00.720
It's really badly written.

621
00:29:00.839 --> 00:29:04.920
Tr helped me to see the beautiful things you see. blah, blah.

622
00:29:04.980 --> 00:29:07.859
Geordie, my job is security. can't do that.

623
00:29:08.039 --> 00:29:10.500
And helping is more important.

624
00:29:12.059 --> 00:29:14.940
What is that line all about?

625
00:29:15.000 --> 00:29:18.779
No, helping people is more important than security.

626
00:29:18.839 --> 00:29:19.200
What?

627
00:29:20.160 --> 00:29:25.259
But I actually kind of like it because it is like she's kind to

628
00:29:25.259 --> 00:29:29.279
him and she takes him to Sick Bay and stuff and she's kind of a

629
00:29:29.279 --> 00:29:32.819
hard ass and we see her be a bit gentle and compassionate in

630
00:29:32.819 --> 00:29:33.539
episode two.

631
00:29:33.599 --> 00:29:36.180
So I can see what we're trying to do with this scene.

632
00:29:36.240 --> 00:29:39.660
And also I think, you know, seeing Geordie take his visor off.

633
00:29:39.720 --> 00:29:42.119
I don't know if he does that in the 1st episode he must do.

634
00:29:42.180 --> 00:29:46.019
But again, making himself vulnerable and stuff.

635
00:29:46.079 --> 00:29:50.339
And having him touch her face as well, you know, because that's a

636
00:29:50.339 --> 00:29:53.339
thing that blind people, you know, sometimes do.

637
00:29:53.400 --> 00:29:55.740
I don't know whether that's in real life or television or what.

638
00:29:55.799 --> 00:29:58.799
But that is definitely a thing that people do and like I thought

639
00:29:58.799 --> 00:30:01.019
that was warm and kind of human as well.

640
00:30:01.079 --> 00:30:03.480
You know what it is about Tasha, right?

641
00:30:03.539 --> 00:30:06.720
Is I don't think they ever crack her until yesterday's

642
00:30:06.720 --> 00:30:07.259
enterprise.

643
00:30:07.319 --> 00:30:10.019
It's because she's so fucking earnest all the time.

644
00:30:10.140 --> 00:30:11.400
Yeah, she really is.

645
00:30:11.460 --> 00:30:16.140
But when she's trying to be funny, she's kind of serious and a

646
00:30:16.140 --> 00:30:17.339
very worthy character.

647
00:30:17.400 --> 00:30:19.559
I like her.

648
00:30:19.619 --> 00:30:23.819
Yeah, it's it's that that overseriousness that everyone suffers

649
00:30:23.819 --> 00:30:24.420
from here.

650
00:30:24.480 --> 00:30:27.180
I really like Denise Crosby, though.

651
00:30:27.240 --> 00:30:28.559
I think she's charming.

652
00:30:28.619 --> 00:30:31.079
Like she's got a lot of charisma, I think.

653
00:30:31.259 --> 00:30:34.019
I think there's some terrible acting.

654
00:30:34.079 --> 00:30:36.960
The formant style is easily mocked because she's the character

655
00:30:36.960 --> 00:30:39.119
that Mark is always mocking.

656
00:30:39.119 --> 00:30:40.799
In my house, right?

657
00:30:40.859 --> 00:30:41.700
Right.

658
00:30:41.759 --> 00:30:43.680
But I think she's like I like her.

659
00:30:44.099 --> 00:30:47.940
Do you remember in Hide and Q when she's going, you know, what am

660
00:30:47.940 --> 00:30:48.299
I doing?

661
00:30:48.359 --> 00:30:48.960
Crying?

662
00:30:49.680 --> 00:30:51.720
In the penalty box?

663
00:30:52.200 --> 00:30:53.759
Jesus.

664
00:30:53.759 --> 00:30:55.559
How did we recover?

665
00:30:57.480 --> 00:31:00.359
She goes, it looks like he's running a temperature.

666
00:31:00.420 --> 00:31:03.059
He's got literally a lake coming off his head.

667
00:31:03.359 --> 00:31:06.359
But she says, but she says he's not.

668
00:31:06.420 --> 00:31:09.240
She says he looks like he's running a temperature, but he's not.

669
00:31:09.299 --> 00:31:11.160
Oh, sorry, I missed the pertinent point there.

670
00:31:11.220 --> 00:31:12.059
Yeah, yeah.

671
00:31:12.119 --> 00:31:13.019
And that's the other thing too.

672
00:31:13.079 --> 00:31:16.680
In the naked time when they get this sort of poly water infection

673
00:31:16.680 --> 00:31:20.099
thing, they're all sweaty as hell as you've seen.

674
00:31:20.160 --> 00:31:22.799
This is not the time to ask these questions.

675
00:31:22.859 --> 00:31:26.099
She goes, well, we use full decontamination.

676
00:31:26.160 --> 00:31:29.460
Picard goes, well, yes, but the whole crew did kill themselves.

677
00:31:29.519 --> 00:31:32.700
Yeah, maybe then we should have taken better measures than this.

678
00:31:32.759 --> 00:31:36.420
In fact, this whole scene is just them rehearsing to each other

679
00:31:36.420 --> 00:31:39.359
things that have already happened in the episode that we actually

680
00:31:39.359 --> 00:31:40.200
saw.

681
00:31:40.259 --> 00:31:42.299
It's kind of like we have been watching this.

682
00:31:42.359 --> 00:31:43.019
It's okay.

683
00:31:43.079 --> 00:31:46.859
This is not as you know, Bob, as you've already seen, Bob.

684
00:31:46.920 --> 00:31:48.720
Yeah, in this episode.

685
00:31:50.460 --> 00:31:52.259
Oh, hang on.

686
00:31:52.319 --> 00:31:54.900
Any sign of drugs, hallucinogens, any other contaminator?

687
00:31:55.019 --> 00:31:55.799
We would have picked that.

688
00:31:55.859 --> 00:31:56.579
No, not yet.

689
00:31:56.640 --> 00:31:58.380
No, no, we would have picked it up.

690
00:31:58.440 --> 00:32:00.359
Oh, look, nice dramatic zoo.

691
00:32:00.420 --> 00:32:01.859
Actually, God, Geordie's lips.

692
00:32:01.920 --> 00:32:02.819
Good grief.

693
00:32:03.480 --> 00:32:12.180
So this is data reading through memory alpha because...

694
00:32:12.180 --> 00:32:13.799
We can empathise, Mr. Data.

695
00:32:13.859 --> 00:32:16.200
Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.

696
00:32:16.559 --> 00:32:18.960
And I kind of...

697
00:32:18.960 --> 00:32:20.880
Can I say something about...

698
00:32:20.880 --> 00:32:25.859
I really hate the laboured data comedy.

699
00:32:25.920 --> 00:32:29.279
I, again, that gets better as they go along.

700
00:32:29.339 --> 00:32:30.779
It does.

701
00:32:30.839 --> 00:32:32.220
So much so.

702
00:32:32.279 --> 00:32:33.960
Remember that in all good things.

703
00:32:34.019 --> 00:32:37.140
One of the ways that they show that we're back in series one is he

704
00:32:37.140 --> 00:32:42.059
does a silly, terrible joke, terrible joke about a thing.

705
00:32:42.119 --> 00:32:43.740
And the same with Snootfall.

706
00:32:43.799 --> 00:32:47.640
Although I do like, you know, like that's a shitty line of

707
00:32:47.640 --> 00:32:51.119
dialogue anyway, you know, Picant is, you know, he seems to have

708
00:32:51.119 --> 00:32:54.240
had, or she seems to have had a snootful or something, and he goes

709
00:32:54.240 --> 00:32:57.779
snootful, and, and, uh, Stuart just says, oh, forget it.

710
00:32:57.839 --> 00:33:00.660
Which I thought was actually cool. weird about Brent Smartner's

711
00:33:00.660 --> 00:33:01.259
performances.

712
00:33:01.319 --> 00:33:05.579
I think here, like he plays the comedy too broadly for an

713
00:33:05.579 --> 00:33:06.119
Android.

714
00:33:06.299 --> 00:33:08.819
Then he learns how to do it, right?

715
00:33:08.880 --> 00:33:12.480
And how to do it straight face, which is more funny because if you

716
00:33:12.480 --> 00:33:15.839
play it seriously, comedy is very funny.

717
00:33:15.839 --> 00:33:19.920
And then towards again, when they give them the emotion ship, it's

718
00:33:19.920 --> 00:33:21.299
just agonising.

719
00:33:21.359 --> 00:33:24.599
So it's only that middle period where they get it right.

720
00:33:24.660 --> 00:33:28.980
What I think is good here, though, is they are differentiating

721
00:33:28.980 --> 00:33:32.880
data from Spock, because they're clearly playing the same role in

722
00:33:32.880 --> 00:33:35.759
the crew, and at the time they were compared to each other because

723
00:33:35.759 --> 00:33:39.660
they're not quite human and they stand outside humanity, and

724
00:33:39.660 --> 00:33:43.740
you've got, you know, Spock has this odd relationship with his

725
00:33:43.740 --> 00:33:46.200
humanity and data aspires to humanity.

726
00:33:46.380 --> 00:33:53.519
Spock cries in the naked time, in a way that's absolutely

727
00:33:53.519 --> 00:33:57.539
agonising worse than anything that happens here.

728
00:33:57.599 --> 00:34:01.019
And and data.

729
00:34:01.019 --> 00:34:05.160
So, but these, these are Deanna's quarters and Deanna's clothes.

730
00:34:05.220 --> 00:34:09.840
We never see her wearing anything. this hideous tie, dye silk

731
00:34:09.840 --> 00:34:11.760
clothes that she never went terrible.

732
00:34:11.820 --> 00:34:14.699
Actually, even when she dresses down in haven.

733
00:34:14.760 --> 00:34:15.599
It's nothing like this.

734
00:34:15.659 --> 00:34:16.800
No, no.

735
00:34:16.800 --> 00:34:19.320
This is sort of carnival clothes, isn't it?

736
00:34:19.380 --> 00:34:20.280
I don't know what it is.

737
00:34:20.340 --> 00:34:23.699
It looks like something that Loaksana left behind the last time

738
00:34:23.699 --> 00:34:25.320
she came home.

739
00:34:25.380 --> 00:34:26.940
Yes, it's Miami Downs, Deanna.

740
00:34:27.000 --> 00:34:27.659
You can those.

741
00:34:27.719 --> 00:34:29.460
These are mums.

742
00:34:29.519 --> 00:34:32.639
But...

743
00:34:32.639 --> 00:34:33.780
Yeah, maybe that's it.

744
00:34:33.840 --> 00:34:34.320
What a bitch.

745
00:34:34.380 --> 00:34:35.579
She goes, no, it's not for you.

746
00:34:35.639 --> 00:34:36.420
All right.

747
00:34:36.539 --> 00:34:38.699
Those clothes don't suit you.

748
00:34:38.760 --> 00:34:42.539
Another weird thing about early season one as well is they haven't

749
00:34:42.539 --> 00:34:46.679
quite pinned how they address each other.

750
00:34:46.739 --> 00:34:49.139
So everyone's calling her Troy.

751
00:34:49.199 --> 00:34:50.340
It's so weird.

752
00:34:50.460 --> 00:34:52.079
Dr. Crush keeps going, Troy.

753
00:34:52.139 --> 00:34:54.360
What's going on rather than Deanna?

754
00:34:54.360 --> 00:34:55.860
That's strange rather than Deanna.

755
00:34:55.920 --> 00:35:00.119
And later on, she will call Riker Bill when she...

756
00:35:00.119 --> 00:35:00.719
Which is odd.

757
00:35:00.719 --> 00:35:03.000
And pick up...

758
00:35:03.059 --> 00:35:06.300
Picard calls Commander Riker Riker.

759
00:35:06.300 --> 00:35:09.179
And even he refers to himself as Riker in a weird way as well

760
00:35:09.179 --> 00:35:10.139
which I thought was strange.

761
00:35:10.199 --> 00:35:14.400
They actually get a bit more formalised as the show goes along

762
00:35:14.400 --> 00:35:17.940
which is probably where in a professional environment where we

763
00:35:17.940 --> 00:35:18.539
should have started.

764
00:35:18.599 --> 00:35:19.619
That's right.

765
00:35:19.679 --> 00:35:22.139
But it is what we're used to, but it sounds odd because that's not

766
00:35:22.139 --> 00:35:23.159
where we land with.

767
00:35:23.219 --> 00:35:27.420
But, like, again, data, like what data's doing here is he gets to

768
00:35:27.420 --> 00:35:30.780
be silly, which differentiates him from Spock.

769
00:35:30.840 --> 00:35:33.599
You know, that he gets to be funny and silly.

770
00:35:33.659 --> 00:35:37.440
And so I think giving him the infection is the right choice.

771
00:35:37.440 --> 00:35:41.039
And it does lead to some cute moments, I think.

772
00:35:41.099 --> 00:35:44.400
But the thing is, right, there are a couple of the positives that

773
00:35:44.400 --> 00:35:45.360
you've named there, right?

774
00:35:45.420 --> 00:35:52.559
So revealing Geordie's anxiety is about his disabilities and data

775
00:35:52.559 --> 00:35:54.300
differentiating himself from Spock.

776
00:35:54.360 --> 00:35:57.480
Yes, they're both good things, but both could, they could be good

777
00:35:57.480 --> 00:36:01.679
things and well written. yeah Yeah, yeah, yeah.

778
00:36:01.739 --> 00:36:06.239
Yeah, yeah. points for effort, but minus points for execution.

779
00:36:06.300 --> 00:36:08.579
But I think that that's it.

780
00:36:08.639 --> 00:36:12.420
And I think that, you know, a lot of episodes of series one don't

781
00:36:12.420 --> 00:36:14.159
even manage to get the points forever.

782
00:36:14.940 --> 00:36:16.679
You are right.

783
00:36:16.739 --> 00:36:18.000
Yes, absolutely.

784
00:36:18.239 --> 00:36:20.760
I can see what it's trying to do.

785
00:36:20.820 --> 00:36:23.760
You know, like I can see what it's trying to do.

786
00:36:23.880 --> 00:36:25.500
Now, again, this is one of these things.

787
00:36:25.559 --> 00:36:29.039
Beverly's playing it like she thinks that he's got the infection.

788
00:36:29.099 --> 00:36:30.480
She goes straight over to the thing.

789
00:36:30.539 --> 00:36:32.099
He says I feel hot.

790
00:36:32.219 --> 00:36:34.320
She lets him just wander off.

791
00:36:34.380 --> 00:36:36.539
She does say go back to your quarters.

792
00:36:36.599 --> 00:36:39.239
But no one kind of puts 2 and 2 together.

793
00:36:39.300 --> 00:36:40.380
Oh, here we go.

794
00:36:40.440 --> 00:36:41.280
Oh, my God.

795
00:36:41.340 --> 00:36:44.159
So the camera is literally on Tashi Oz.

796
00:36:44.159 --> 00:36:46.019
Oh, boss.

797
00:36:46.139 --> 00:36:49.079
She's walking like Jessica Rabbit through the ship, for God's

798
00:36:49.079 --> 00:36:49.260
sake.

799
00:36:49.320 --> 00:36:49.739
Yeah, yeah.

800
00:36:49.800 --> 00:36:51.000
Now this short little guy.

801
00:36:51.059 --> 00:36:53.340
Now, don't you tell me she's not predatory.

802
00:36:53.400 --> 00:36:54.539
Look at the look on her face.

803
00:36:54.659 --> 00:36:56.579
Look, look at the look at his face.

804
00:36:56.639 --> 00:36:57.480
He's up for it.

805
00:36:57.539 --> 00:36:58.860
Like, wouldn't you be now?

806
00:36:58.920 --> 00:37:00.239
She's really there properly.

807
00:37:00.300 --> 00:37:01.199
She grabs hold of him.

808
00:37:01.260 --> 00:37:02.519
He's got no choice there.

809
00:37:02.579 --> 00:37:04.019
She's got her hands all around.

810
00:37:04.079 --> 00:37:06.119
Her hands are like talons in that scene.

811
00:37:06.179 --> 00:37:07.079
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

812
00:37:07.139 --> 00:37:09.900
But he was already giving her that come on, you know, like, I

813
00:37:09.900 --> 00:37:11.159
don't think I...

814
00:37:11.159 --> 00:37:13.860
We're in the age of concern now, Dave, but it's a thin line, all

815
00:37:13.860 --> 00:37:14.099
right.

816
00:37:14.159 --> 00:37:15.539
No, no, I know.

817
00:37:15.599 --> 00:37:18.599
But I don't want to compare her to rape gangs marauding the street

818
00:37:18.659 --> 00:37:20.639
chasing 8 year olds. fair enough.

819
00:37:20.699 --> 00:37:21.300
Fair enough.

820
00:37:22.320 --> 00:37:26.699
I did just say predatory, you know, like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

821
00:37:26.760 --> 00:37:27.420
Yeah, yeah.

822
00:37:27.480 --> 00:37:31.739
I mean, Troy, to be fair, Troy sort of she becomes very meek.

823
00:37:31.860 --> 00:37:33.780
She puts her arms around Riko.

824
00:37:33.780 --> 00:37:36.900
She says, please carry me away, would Bill, you know?

825
00:37:37.019 --> 00:37:40.920
Oh, here's my favourite 2 characters in the whole show.

826
00:37:40.980 --> 00:37:45.900
So Chief Engineer McDougall is one of our rotating chief

827
00:37:45.900 --> 00:37:46.559
engineers.

828
00:37:46.619 --> 00:37:49.980
She's just wandering off looking very businesslike.

829
00:37:50.039 --> 00:37:55.860
And this is assistant chief engineer Shimoda, who is also called

830
00:37:55.860 --> 00:37:59.519
Jim, and seems to be friends with Wesley, which I actually quite

831
00:37:59.519 --> 00:37:59.880
like.

832
00:37:59.940 --> 00:38:01.739
That was Wesley infecting him.

833
00:38:01.739 --> 00:38:03.119
I mean, Wesley may be home toxicant.

834
00:38:03.179 --> 00:38:05.579
Because he's wearing both a jumper and a shirt.

835
00:38:05.639 --> 00:38:07.980
That's a lot of layers there.

836
00:38:08.039 --> 00:38:09.780
That is a few layers.

837
00:38:09.840 --> 00:38:11.219
It is a few layers.

838
00:38:11.280 --> 00:38:15.480
I mean, I don't think we spend enough time with Shimoda before he

839
00:38:15.480 --> 00:38:18.719
gets intoxicated to really sort of tell the difference.

840
00:38:18.780 --> 00:38:21.119
But I did actually like that.

841
00:38:21.119 --> 00:38:24.239
That did reveal a little bit about how the crew feels about

842
00:38:24.239 --> 00:38:25.980
Wesley.

843
00:38:26.039 --> 00:38:26.699
Do you know what I mean?

844
00:38:26.760 --> 00:38:28.139
Like there, he is an engineering.

845
00:38:28.199 --> 00:38:32.760
He clearly knows Jim. you know, like they, you know, Jim likes him

846
00:38:32.760 --> 00:38:34.380
you know, puts his hand on him and stuff.

847
00:38:34.440 --> 00:38:35.639
Like, I thought that was nice.

848
00:38:35.699 --> 00:38:39.659
I can't imagine, right, anybody walking out of a turbo lift, more

849
00:38:39.659 --> 00:38:42.119
all business than McDougall did just then.

850
00:38:42.239 --> 00:38:45.780
She saw a monster. like she's in the military, you know, coming

851
00:38:45.780 --> 00:38:46.079
in.

852
00:38:46.139 --> 00:38:48.059
I'm here, captain, what do you want?

853
00:38:48.239 --> 00:38:51.239
He probably went, she's very pushy.

854
00:38:51.300 --> 00:38:54.300
Can we not get in who's the next engineer after this?

855
00:38:54.360 --> 00:38:56.460
Mr. Singh, can we not get him in, please?

856
00:38:56.519 --> 00:38:58.500
Mr. Argyle?

857
00:38:59.340 --> 00:39:03.119
You think they sat down after the end, like, sort of...

858
00:39:03.239 --> 00:39:04.739
Metron woman, remember?

859
00:39:04.800 --> 00:39:06.659
It's been a whole year.

860
00:39:06.719 --> 00:39:10.380
They've been in the Enterprise and they go, do you know, maybe we

861
00:39:10.380 --> 00:39:13.559
should just give the role to somebody permanently, you know, like

862
00:39:13.559 --> 00:39:16.320
who someone who doesn't seem to have anything to do.

863
00:39:16.380 --> 00:39:19.800
So now these people who are, so everyone for a start is really

864
00:39:19.800 --> 00:39:24.960
astonished by a fucking force field, force field, and, you know

865
00:39:24.960 --> 00:39:25.920
they have them on the bridge.

866
00:39:25.980 --> 00:39:27.179
I don't know what's going.

867
00:39:27.239 --> 00:39:28.500
They're all sort of...

868
00:39:28.500 --> 00:39:32.280
But look how they're all just standing around like they're so...

869
00:39:32.280 --> 00:39:33.719
Look at the woman 2nd to the left.

870
00:39:33.780 --> 00:39:35.400
Yeah, she's great.

871
00:39:35.519 --> 00:39:38.519
She's leaning on the left shoulder while the man seems to be sort

872
00:39:38.519 --> 00:39:39.840
of dry humping her from behind.

873
00:39:39.960 --> 00:39:41.460
What's going on there?

874
00:39:41.820 --> 00:39:45.840
Like these people have never been trunk or to a party before.

875
00:39:45.900 --> 00:39:48.179
This is so stiff and so embarrassed.

876
00:39:48.239 --> 00:39:52.500
Mr. Shimoda is now, he is auditioning for a role on Play School

877
00:39:52.500 --> 00:39:55.139
because I don't know what he's doing.

878
00:39:55.199 --> 00:39:58.619
Yeah, I don't know either. into the false fields.

879
00:39:58.679 --> 00:40:00.119
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

880
00:40:00.179 --> 00:40:04.619
And this, like, is drunk walking. in his boiler suit.

881
00:40:04.920 --> 00:40:08.340
You could just imagine, actually, it does please me a little bit.

882
00:40:08.400 --> 00:40:11.639
All those people that love TOS, you know, expecting a serious Star

883
00:40:11.639 --> 00:40:15.119
Trek show. to present it to them as the 2nd episode.

884
00:40:15.119 --> 00:40:18.539
And of course, this didn't go down very well for both reasons

885
00:40:18.539 --> 00:40:20.219
because this is not well.

886
00:40:20.280 --> 00:40:23.400
Well, because it's stupid, not because it's not well made because

887
00:40:23.400 --> 00:40:26.039
you know, if you're a Star Trek fan, your tolerance for that has

888
00:40:26.039 --> 00:40:27.119
to be fairly high.

889
00:40:27.179 --> 00:40:32.940
But also because it's a remake of the naked time, I think, too.

890
00:40:33.000 --> 00:40:38.460
Oh, so this, the limerick in the shuttle bay, which is so crap.

891
00:40:38.519 --> 00:40:40.559
It was a young lady from Venus.

892
00:40:40.619 --> 00:40:43.860
Whose body was shaped like a...

893
00:40:43.860 --> 00:40:45.599
Yep, captain to security.

894
00:40:46.199 --> 00:40:48.840
But data doesn't get it.

895
00:40:48.900 --> 00:40:50.219
And then I like Worf.

896
00:40:50.280 --> 00:40:52.920
I don't understand their humour either, which I think is really

897
00:40:52.920 --> 00:40:53.280
great.

898
00:40:53.340 --> 00:40:55.980
Well, you don't get drunk, Michael, which is a bit of a shame.

899
00:40:56.039 --> 00:40:59.880
Keep your britches on, Captain Picard, says Tasha.

900
00:40:59.940 --> 00:41:01.679
I know, britches.

901
00:41:01.739 --> 00:41:02.519
Why is she saying that?

902
00:41:02.579 --> 00:41:04.199
She's pretty busy at the moment.

903
00:41:04.260 --> 00:41:05.699
Who is she bonking at the moment?

904
00:41:05.760 --> 00:41:09.719
She's bonking the guy, the little short guy with the bad hair that

905
00:41:09.719 --> 00:41:10.320
she caught.

906
00:41:10.380 --> 00:41:13.440
How many of the crew does she make it through before the end of

907
00:41:13.440 --> 00:41:13.860
this episode?

908
00:41:13.920 --> 00:41:14.579
That guy.

909
00:41:14.639 --> 00:41:16.079
She has sex with that guy.

910
00:41:16.139 --> 00:41:19.619
And data, that's 2 people. that's not too many Actually, that's

911
00:41:19.619 --> 00:41:20.579
quite a lazy day for me.

912
00:41:20.699 --> 00:41:22.440
That's right.

913
00:41:22.500 --> 00:41:24.719
That's pretty dull party.

914
00:41:24.780 --> 00:41:26.820
Okay, here we go.

915
00:41:26.880 --> 00:41:30.000
This is the scene and this is why everybody remembers the naked

916
00:41:30.000 --> 00:41:30.239
now.

917
00:41:30.360 --> 00:41:35.219
Fully functional Mr. Data enters Tachyash quarters and she says

918
00:41:35.219 --> 00:41:38.159
you know, how fully functional are you, Mr. Data?

919
00:41:38.280 --> 00:41:42.300
Oh, I'm programmed in a broad range of pleasuring, he says.

920
00:41:42.360 --> 00:41:44.760
Yeah, yeah, variety of positions.

921
00:41:44.820 --> 00:41:49.739
Apple programmed that android in a broad range of Mr. Soon, you

922
00:41:49.739 --> 00:41:51.539
are kinky. pretty old.

923
00:41:51.599 --> 00:41:52.199
Yeah, yeah.

924
00:41:52.260 --> 00:41:55.920
That's right Oh, look at that curl.

925
00:41:55.920 --> 00:41:58.320
I love that curl stuck down on her head.

926
00:41:58.380 --> 00:41:59.400
It's great.

927
00:41:59.460 --> 00:42:00.539
It's called a Kiss curl.

928
00:42:00.599 --> 00:42:02.460
It's um, like from the 1920s.

929
00:42:02.519 --> 00:42:06.900
Like it, I think that's a pretty strong look and look at that. sort

930
00:42:06.900 --> 00:42:11.039
of Googled lamia, you might see similar curls of that nature, you

931
00:42:11.039 --> 00:42:11.280
know.

932
00:42:11.400 --> 00:42:12.840
Yeah.

933
00:42:12.900 --> 00:42:14.460
Yeah, so here we go.

934
00:42:14.519 --> 00:42:18.599
This is the seducing data by talking about the rape gangs. on her

935
00:42:18.599 --> 00:42:25.079
home planet. attempting to elicit sympathy from him.

936
00:42:25.139 --> 00:42:30.239
Yeah, because she says, uh, well, again, like if this had been

937
00:42:30.239 --> 00:42:33.719
kind of well written and well performed and not a horrifically

938
00:42:33.719 --> 00:42:39.719
poor idea, um, so, you know, it, she talks about how she was

939
00:42:39.719 --> 00:42:43.380
fleeing rape gangs and now she's reclaiming her sexuality.

940
00:42:43.440 --> 00:42:45.840
Now she wants gentleness, you know, like I think there's something

941
00:42:45.840 --> 00:42:46.320
there.

942
00:42:46.380 --> 00:42:47.219
It's bad.

943
00:42:47.280 --> 00:42:50.579
So was she systematically rape for 10 years of her childhood?

944
00:42:50.639 --> 00:42:51.420
Oh, she ran.

945
00:42:51.480 --> 00:42:53.159
It says she ran for 10 years.

946
00:42:53.219 --> 00:42:56.519
She survived and she kept away from the rape game.

947
00:42:56.579 --> 00:42:58.559
I see why she's so angry all the time then.

948
00:42:58.619 --> 00:43:01.559
Yeah, well, that was the... traumatised you.

949
00:43:01.619 --> 00:43:05.159
Troy is probably booked her in about 10 sessions a week.

950
00:43:05.340 --> 00:43:09.239
I think it's actually a bit upsetting because it's trying to

951
00:43:09.239 --> 00:43:12.179
explain why she's sort of slightly gender non-conforming.

952
00:43:12.239 --> 00:43:12.960
Do you know what I mean?

953
00:43:13.019 --> 00:43:16.019
She's not a proper woman and that seems to be the subtext of even

954
00:43:16.019 --> 00:43:19.320
some that earlier interaction with Deanna, that she's not a proper

955
00:43:19.320 --> 00:43:22.559
woman and it's because she was traumatised as a young woman.

956
00:43:22.619 --> 00:43:26.340
I like Mrs. Troy, you know, and I know it's overplayed and it is

957
00:43:26.340 --> 00:43:29.880
broad and pantomimic, but she's just so in command of her

958
00:43:29.880 --> 00:43:30.480
sexuality.

959
00:43:30.539 --> 00:43:31.980
There's no reason for it at all.

960
00:43:32.099 --> 00:43:33.900
She's just sexy, you know?

961
00:43:34.019 --> 00:43:36.059
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

962
00:43:36.119 --> 00:43:37.079
She's great.

963
00:43:37.139 --> 00:43:37.980
She's great.

964
00:43:38.039 --> 00:43:40.980
Heaven forbid a woman, you know, is in control of her.

965
00:43:41.039 --> 00:43:42.480
Yeah, that's right.

966
00:43:42.539 --> 00:43:43.199
Yeah.

967
00:43:43.260 --> 00:43:46.739
Or betrays a few masculine tendencies.

968
00:43:46.800 --> 00:43:48.239
Yeah, yeah, that's right.

969
00:43:48.300 --> 00:43:49.739
It has short hair, you know what I mean?

970
00:43:49.800 --> 00:43:50.519
That's the other way now.

971
00:43:50.519 --> 00:43:51.119
She's the job.

972
00:43:51.480 --> 00:43:53.579
She just falls into Riker's arms, doesn't she?

973
00:43:53.639 --> 00:43:55.320
And goes, oh, don't you remember?

974
00:43:55.380 --> 00:43:56.639
Don't you want to be alone with me?

975
00:43:57.960 --> 00:44:00.840
Have you ever been with a man this desperate?

976
00:44:00.900 --> 00:44:03.300
It's very, it's unfortunate.

977
00:44:03.300 --> 00:44:10.139
And I do like the fact that, you know, I mean, remember when we

978
00:44:10.139 --> 00:44:13.320
did the one where she turned into, what's it called?

979
00:44:13.380 --> 00:44:13.920
Man of the People.

980
00:44:13.980 --> 00:44:14.639
Man of the People.

981
00:44:14.639 --> 00:44:16.380
And Rikl took advantage of her in that one.

982
00:44:16.440 --> 00:44:18.780
Just for a second, he did kiss her.

983
00:44:18.840 --> 00:44:21.480
Whereas here he says, no, I'm not doing that.

984
00:44:21.539 --> 00:44:25.559
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, he's again, it's because she's drunk

985
00:44:25.559 --> 00:44:30.719
and because they ended the relationship and so he's putting her to

986
00:44:30.719 --> 00:44:32.159
bed and she's infecting him.

987
00:44:32.219 --> 00:44:33.420
We just heard the noise.

988
00:44:33.480 --> 00:44:35.340
Don't you want to be alone with me in your mind?

989
00:44:35.699 --> 00:44:39.300
I do want to be alone with Marina in my mind, actually.

990
00:44:39.360 --> 00:44:40.380
That would be pretty great.

991
00:44:40.440 --> 00:44:43.320
It's not the odds I was expecting that, you know.

992
00:44:45.059 --> 00:44:47.039
Now, look, hang on.

993
00:44:47.099 --> 00:44:49.139
Have they taped over the windows in Sick Bay?

994
00:44:49.199 --> 00:44:49.679
Let's find out.

995
00:44:49.739 --> 00:44:51.239
We noticed this last time.

996
00:44:51.300 --> 00:44:51.659
Okay.

997
00:44:51.719 --> 00:44:52.800
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

998
00:44:52.860 --> 00:44:55.380
It's just that wall from the observation lounge.

999
00:44:55.440 --> 00:44:58.980
I don't think you can see the tape quite as well as you could in

1000
00:44:58.980 --> 00:45:00.960
the previous episode that we saw.

1001
00:45:01.019 --> 00:45:02.579
I mean, you're right.

1002
00:45:02.639 --> 00:45:05.760
This is interesting, but it's just like, I've never seen a

1003
00:45:05.760 --> 00:45:06.360
something.

1004
00:45:06.360 --> 00:45:07.800
I've never seen a rainbow.

1005
00:45:07.860 --> 00:45:11.699
It's just like he's used to being blind by now, surely.

1006
00:45:11.760 --> 00:45:12.539
Do you know what I mean?

1007
00:45:12.599 --> 00:45:14.099
Like, it is sort of a bit crap.

1008
00:45:14.280 --> 00:45:18.119
Is Marina attempting to hide her face because she's a bit

1009
00:45:18.119 --> 00:45:20.219
embarrassed at what she's being asked to do there.

1010
00:45:20.460 --> 00:45:22.260
Do you notice?

1011
00:45:22.380 --> 00:45:25.440
She's like, she's so meek.

1012
00:45:25.500 --> 00:45:27.300
She's so unlike Marina.

1013
00:45:27.360 --> 00:45:28.980
It's such a this.

1014
00:45:29.039 --> 00:45:30.599
See, I like this.

1015
00:45:30.659 --> 00:45:34.980
She just touched Riker and her have quite a good mature

1016
00:45:34.980 --> 00:45:35.820
relationship.

1017
00:45:35.880 --> 00:45:38.039
It's really understated because all of them are because.

1018
00:45:38.099 --> 00:45:40.260
No one really gives a shit about the relationships in the

1019
00:45:40.260 --> 00:45:40.739
rhyming.

1020
00:45:40.860 --> 00:45:42.599
It runs around the series.

1021
00:45:42.659 --> 00:45:47.820
And then she goes, you brought Deanna in and 0 God, you touched

1022
00:45:47.820 --> 00:45:48.179
me.

1023
00:45:48.239 --> 00:45:52.079
And like, he goes, oh, shit, you know, like, I liked that, and

1024
00:45:52.079 --> 00:45:55.800
it's her deducing something, and it's Gates understanding the

1025
00:45:55.800 --> 00:45:57.780
dialogue, and I thought it was well delivered.

1026
00:45:57.840 --> 00:46:03.179
I prefer that to, uh, the, I sent to you on a message, her going, I

1027
00:46:03.179 --> 00:46:04.980
have to defeat this.

1028
00:46:05.039 --> 00:46:08.940
I must find a cure, you know, like people don't sit there talking

1029
00:46:08.940 --> 00:46:12.539
to themselves. give her somebody to talk to.

1030
00:46:12.599 --> 00:46:17.460
Or we can tell what she's doing because that's what she must be

1031
00:46:17.460 --> 00:46:20.099
doing because she's the doctor and there's a thing.

1032
00:46:20.159 --> 00:46:22.860
No, because we're watching the fucking episode and we're paying

1033
00:46:22.860 --> 00:46:23.159
attention.

1034
00:46:23.400 --> 00:46:27.179
You don't have to pay attention too much to think out what's going

1035
00:46:27.179 --> 00:46:27.539
on here.

1036
00:46:27.659 --> 00:46:29.579
It's not super complicated.

1037
00:46:29.639 --> 00:46:32.760
I do hope that man got his shots, you know, before sitting in that

1038
00:46:32.760 --> 00:46:33.539
reclining chair.

1039
00:46:33.599 --> 00:46:35.820
No, he didn't because he goes off.

1040
00:46:35.880 --> 00:46:40.079
He wanders off later because he's got the the, the poly water

1041
00:46:40.079 --> 00:46:42.539
infection, actually, the pretty one.

1042
00:46:42.599 --> 00:46:44.699
The thing I just don't understand, right?

1043
00:46:44.820 --> 00:46:48.599
And the creators of science fiction shows never quite get is.

1044
00:46:48.659 --> 00:46:53.639
Yeah, the thing that annoys young boys watching science fiction is

1045
00:46:53.639 --> 00:46:57.059
young boys that are super geniuses.

1046
00:46:57.119 --> 00:47:01.619
And yet, Adrick, Wesley, they insist on his characters in.

1047
00:47:01.679 --> 00:47:05.460
Yeah, and presumably it's like an aspirational thing because every

1048
00:47:05.460 --> 00:47:09.239
kid watching the original show wanted to be on the enterprise.

1049
00:47:09.300 --> 00:47:12.420
But I think, you know, once Wesley's on the Enterprise, I'm not

1050
00:47:12.420 --> 00:47:16.139
that into being on the Enterprise anymore, presumably is how it

1051
00:47:16.139 --> 00:47:16.320
works.

1052
00:47:16.380 --> 00:47:19.260
Well, I could get it behind Jake, you know, because he just wants

1053
00:47:19.260 --> 00:47:23.519
to bum around with Ferengi's and cause mischief, you know?

1054
00:47:23.579 --> 00:47:28.320
And and he's normal. he's not a Star Trek nerd the way that Wesley

1055
00:47:28.320 --> 00:47:30.239
is, like Wesley's a Star Trek nerd.

1056
00:47:30.300 --> 00:47:31.920
He's into tractor beams and stuff.

1057
00:47:31.980 --> 00:47:35.099
There is one episode where Brian's trying to teach them all the

1058
00:47:35.099 --> 00:47:38.519
techno babble. been given like a Saturday job and he just goes, oh

1059
00:47:38.519 --> 00:47:39.300
this is so boring.

1060
00:47:40.199 --> 00:47:42.480
I don't want to learn this stuff.

1061
00:47:42.539 --> 00:47:44.460
I'm like, thank you, Jake.

1062
00:47:44.519 --> 00:47:46.079
Oh here we go.

1063
00:47:46.139 --> 00:47:47.639
Now, Wesley.

1064
00:47:47.699 --> 00:47:51.719
Now, listen, you must take the tractor beam and lock it onto the

1065
00:47:51.719 --> 00:47:53.400
Tchaikovsky and oh, please.

1066
00:47:53.519 --> 00:47:57.840
I think I think this is definitely better than what happens in the

1067
00:47:57.840 --> 00:48:03.599
naked time where it's Captain Riley, it's Captain Riley, and he

1068
00:48:03.599 --> 00:48:06.900
declares himself captain, and we don't see him over the TV because

1069
00:48:06.900 --> 00:48:09.000
we don't get that, and he's someone that we don't know.

1070
00:48:09.059 --> 00:48:10.619
Does that man not have a name?

1071
00:48:10.679 --> 00:48:12.420
He just went, Con, where are you going?

1072
00:48:12.480 --> 00:48:13.619
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1073
00:48:13.679 --> 00:48:14.639
They're not giving him a name.

1074
00:48:14.699 --> 00:48:15.780
It's like, one of those things.

1075
00:48:15.840 --> 00:48:17.940
You know, the really, like, those amazing things.

1076
00:48:18.000 --> 00:48:21.000
There's one in, I think there might be one in Fascination, which

1077
00:48:21.000 --> 00:48:24.480
is why I'm thinking of it, a guy who is very clearly, oh, he was

1078
00:48:24.480 --> 00:48:25.800
in Odo's office.

1079
00:48:25.860 --> 00:48:29.400
It's like, I'm not being paid to say anything, and so I'm just

1080
00:48:29.400 --> 00:48:32.760
going to sit here silently, even though that's massively awkward

1081
00:48:32.760 --> 00:48:35.280
and a normal person would speak at this point.

1082
00:48:35.579 --> 00:48:38.340
Mrs. Troy makes a point of it, doesn't it?

1083
00:48:38.400 --> 00:48:40.860
She goes, oh, give us 5 minutes, dear, will you?

1084
00:48:41.460 --> 00:48:43.079
That guy.

1085
00:48:43.079 --> 00:48:44.340
No, no, no.

1086
00:48:44.400 --> 00:48:46.139
She goes, give us half an hour.

1087
00:48:46.199 --> 00:48:47.940
Roda goes, no, give us 5 minutes.

1088
00:48:48.000 --> 00:48:49.500
Be back here.

1089
00:48:49.559 --> 00:48:52.139
Here we go, Dr. Beverly.

1090
00:48:52.199 --> 00:48:53.099
Oh no, no.

1091
00:48:53.159 --> 00:48:55.260
I must find the cue.

1092
00:48:55.320 --> 00:48:56.460
I must find the answer.

1093
00:48:56.519 --> 00:49:01.619
Like, I like her pinning her hair up to get it out of her way

1094
00:49:01.619 --> 00:49:03.719
because she's got to try and keep her shit together.

1095
00:49:03.719 --> 00:49:06.840
And right having to keep his shit together as well, because

1096
00:49:06.840 --> 00:49:09.960
they're the 2 grown-ups here, like Picant succumbs almost

1097
00:49:09.960 --> 00:49:11.460
immediately once he gets it.

1098
00:49:11.519 --> 00:49:15.480
But both Riker and Beverly have important jobs to do, and so

1099
00:49:15.480 --> 00:49:17.340
they're trying to hold their shit together while being

1100
00:49:17.340 --> 00:49:18.059
intoxicated.

1101
00:49:18.119 --> 00:49:21.599
Do you remember in that fabulous corn episode we just watched

1102
00:49:21.599 --> 00:49:21.960
yeah?

1103
00:49:22.019 --> 00:49:24.960
Well, we had Scotty and that fabulous woman. her name?

1104
00:49:25.079 --> 00:49:26.579
What's the woman's name?

1105
00:49:26.639 --> 00:49:31.260
Oh, a Paleon. figuring out things, talking to each other.

1106
00:49:31.380 --> 00:49:32.760
Given us comedy.

1107
00:49:32.820 --> 00:49:36.659
It wasn't just Scotty going, oh God, how do I solve this?

1108
00:49:36.780 --> 00:49:39.719
That was many years later.

1109
00:49:39.780 --> 00:49:44.340
So I quite, I think this is cute because it is giving Brent a

1110
00:49:44.340 --> 00:49:45.659
chance to do something different.

1111
00:49:46.019 --> 00:49:50.099
And to be silly, to distinguish himself from Spock.

1112
00:49:50.219 --> 00:49:54.059
And then he does that cute quote from the Merchant of Venice, which

1113
00:49:54.059 --> 00:49:57.659
is Shylock says, if you prick me, do I not bleed?

1114
00:49:57.659 --> 00:50:01.139
and he gets to say, if you prick me, do I not leak, which I think

1115
00:50:01.139 --> 00:50:01.679
is cute.

1116
00:50:01.739 --> 00:50:02.699
He overplays it.

1117
00:50:02.760 --> 00:50:05.340
I just want to punch him in the face in this scene.

1118
00:50:05.460 --> 00:50:07.199
Yeah, I just, yeah.

1119
00:50:07.260 --> 00:50:10.380
He's nowhere near as bad as he is in generations, I think.

1120
00:50:10.440 --> 00:50:13.920
No, this scene now, now, this scene between Gates and Patrick

1121
00:50:13.920 --> 00:50:14.460
right?

1122
00:50:14.519 --> 00:50:17.940
where Patrick, you just can't chill out enough to play the scene.

1123
00:50:17.940 --> 00:50:20.159
You're sort of going, not now, doctor.

1124
00:50:20.219 --> 00:50:21.000
Please.

1125
00:50:21.059 --> 00:50:22.679
I'm like, what are you thinking?

1126
00:50:23.340 --> 00:50:28.019
Yeah, that I like that too, that fall, the praps fall, like bread

1127
00:50:28.019 --> 00:50:28.739
falling over.

1128
00:50:28.800 --> 00:50:32.039
Look, she's doing the Riker pose with her knee up on the desk.

1129
00:50:32.099 --> 00:50:37.139
No, she's doing her sexy predatory pose, but I do like the line

1130
00:50:37.139 --> 00:50:40.500
where she says, you know, this is like being intoxicated with

1131
00:50:40.500 --> 00:50:44.159
alcohol, the same lack of good judgement, for instance, I find

1132
00:50:44.159 --> 00:50:44.400
you.

1133
00:50:44.699 --> 00:50:46.980
Incredibly attractive.

1134
00:50:47.039 --> 00:50:49.139
I wouldn't normally be, right?

1135
00:50:49.199 --> 00:50:50.820
Yeah, that's right.

1136
00:50:50.880 --> 00:50:55.980
He goes, oh, God, would I love to show you?

1137
00:50:57.719 --> 00:51:02.099
Yeah, but then it's like, again, this is, you know, her one

1138
00:51:02.099 --> 00:51:05.280
paragraph backstory is that she lost her husband, Jack, and so

1139
00:51:05.280 --> 00:51:06.119
that's coming up.

1140
00:51:06.179 --> 00:51:08.219
We're learning how she feels about that.

1141
00:51:08.280 --> 00:51:08.639
Guess what?

1142
00:51:08.699 --> 00:51:10.139
Spoiler alert, she's sad.

1143
00:51:10.199 --> 00:51:13.800
Damn it, Captain, my dear captain.

1144
00:51:13.860 --> 00:51:15.300
Like, I have a feeling.

1145
00:51:15.360 --> 00:51:18.360
Yeah, if this was discovery, this scene would be so sexy.

1146
00:51:18.420 --> 00:51:20.760
I would barely be able to contain myself.

1147
00:51:20.880 --> 00:51:23.639
It's just so awkward.

1148
00:51:23.699 --> 00:51:24.780
Yeah.

1149
00:51:24.780 --> 00:51:28.500
I, I, you know, when you're sort of there experiencing something

1150
00:51:28.500 --> 00:51:31.619
and you just feel like I just, I don't feel like I should be in

1151
00:51:31.619 --> 00:51:32.159
the room right now.

1152
00:51:32.219 --> 00:51:33.900
This is one of those times.

1153
00:51:34.019 --> 00:51:36.000
Yeah, yeah.

1154
00:51:36.059 --> 00:51:40.320
So at some point, right, at some point, Captain Picard's been

1155
00:51:40.320 --> 00:51:42.900
infected there, but we don't see it happen.

1156
00:51:42.960 --> 00:51:45.539
He's given her a sort of childish wave, so we know...

1157
00:51:45.539 --> 00:51:48.960
Wave, but that's what tips warp, wharf off.

1158
00:51:48.960 --> 00:51:52.739
That, so wharf tells Riker that the captain's been infected at

1159
00:51:52.739 --> 00:51:58.320
that point when he does the little wave. that's right And now, look

1160
00:51:58.320 --> 00:52:02.280
Rikers now, Oh, and obviously, McDougall, all business, McDougall

1161
00:52:02.280 --> 00:52:03.900
the only 2 that could save the day.

1162
00:52:03.960 --> 00:52:06.119
Oh Christ, what's going on there?

1163
00:52:06.239 --> 00:52:08.639
That's odd, isn't it?

1164
00:52:08.699 --> 00:52:10.440
But that's the ship going supernova.

1165
00:52:10.500 --> 00:52:13.139
That's the star going.

1166
00:52:13.199 --> 00:52:13.739
Nova.

1167
00:52:13.800 --> 00:52:15.960
Oh, now the huge chunk.

1168
00:52:16.019 --> 00:52:18.719
I mean, it's so massive.

1169
00:52:18.780 --> 00:52:21.000
It's like 3 times the size of the enterprise.

1170
00:52:21.059 --> 00:52:22.199
I can see it behind you now right?

1171
00:52:22.260 --> 00:52:23.219
No, it's bigger.

1172
00:52:23.280 --> 00:52:26.400
No, because it's bigger than the Tilkovsky, but that's not a very

1173
00:52:26.400 --> 00:52:27.119
big ship.

1174
00:52:28.320 --> 00:52:30.539
It's big enough to do some damage.

1175
00:52:30.599 --> 00:52:34.260
Just like the iceberg. took down the Titanic, you know, it's... it

1176
00:52:34.260 --> 00:52:35.039
would have destroyed it.

1177
00:52:35.099 --> 00:52:36.780
Yeah. right.

1178
00:52:36.840 --> 00:52:38.400
Does Wolf ever succumb to it?

1179
00:52:38.460 --> 00:52:39.780
No, he doesn't.

1180
00:52:39.840 --> 00:52:41.639
We don't get to see Michael's drunk acting.

1181
00:52:41.699 --> 00:52:42.599
Good thing, actually.

1182
00:52:42.659 --> 00:52:46.260
Probably at this point in the series, definitely.

1183
00:52:46.320 --> 00:52:47.280
Oh, of course we do.

1184
00:52:47.340 --> 00:52:50.460
There's a scene in him at Martok where they're singing in Way of

1185
00:52:50.460 --> 00:52:50.940
the Warrior.

1186
00:52:51.000 --> 00:52:52.739
Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1187
00:52:52.800 --> 00:52:53.400
Just as houses.

1188
00:52:53.460 --> 00:52:54.239
It's wonderful.

1189
00:52:56.039 --> 00:53:00.719
Because trying to hold it together, but oh, look, well, he can't

1190
00:53:00.719 --> 00:53:01.920
remember the words for things.

1191
00:53:01.980 --> 00:53:02.639
Now this.

1192
00:53:02.639 --> 00:53:04.320
What is going on?

1193
00:53:04.380 --> 00:53:07.320
He's throwing his Lego up and down in the air.

1194
00:53:07.380 --> 00:53:12.179
Oh, it's like an episode of Tots TV now or something like that.

1195
00:53:12.239 --> 00:53:12.659
Yeah.

1196
00:53:12.719 --> 00:53:14.639
Yeah, that's embarrassing.

1197
00:53:14.699 --> 00:53:16.380
That's super embarrassing.

1198
00:53:16.440 --> 00:53:18.059
But we're about to get...

1199
00:53:18.119 --> 00:53:19.739
Are we about to get one of my favourite lines?

1200
00:53:19.800 --> 00:53:20.760
Yeah, here it is.

1201
00:53:22.559 --> 00:53:24.360
She comes in.

1202
00:53:24.420 --> 00:53:28.380
See Shimoda throwing the isolinean ships and she holds on up to

1203
00:53:28.380 --> 00:53:32.760
her and goes, these are control ships, which is...

1204
00:53:32.880 --> 00:53:35.460
We didn't need to go back to him juggling them again.

1205
00:53:35.519 --> 00:53:37.920
Well, he's not even juggling them.

1206
00:53:37.980 --> 00:53:40.860
He's throwing them in the air, but that is so funny and that's got

1207
00:53:40.860 --> 00:53:42.179
to be deliberately funny.

1208
00:53:42.239 --> 00:53:44.639
Like, she's got to be playing that for last.

1209
00:53:44.699 --> 00:53:46.079
It's like there.

1210
00:53:46.139 --> 00:53:47.820
Someone's yanked out the control trips.

1211
00:53:47.880 --> 00:53:50.159
And Wesley goes, it was an adult that did it.

1212
00:53:50.760 --> 00:53:53.039
That's so embarrassing.

1213
00:53:53.699 --> 00:53:56.280
How did we ever recover?

1214
00:53:57.719 --> 00:54:04.079
The data, like lying back in his chair pissed, like hearing his

1215
00:54:04.079 --> 00:54:06.420
name mentioned and stuff. is pretty great.

1216
00:54:06.480 --> 00:54:09.119
And I also loved the other thing that I really like.

1217
00:54:09.179 --> 00:54:12.300
So this is we're trying to get data to hold it together.

1218
00:54:12.360 --> 00:54:14.519
So, are we going to an ad break?

1219
00:54:14.579 --> 00:54:15.539
Do they speed him up?

1220
00:54:15.599 --> 00:54:16.860
You know, when you strew it all the chips?

1221
00:54:16.920 --> 00:54:17.639
Yeah, they speed him up.

1222
00:54:17.699 --> 00:54:18.719
So they speed bread.

1223
00:54:18.719 --> 00:54:21.360
That's right, when he's doing the chips. which is pretty deep. hell

1224
00:54:21.360 --> 00:54:22.199
that flaming comet.

1225
00:54:22.260 --> 00:54:24.599
Yeah, it's pretty close, isn't it?

1226
00:54:24.659 --> 00:54:30.840
So this where, um, you know, it's like, are you gonna, gonna get

1227
00:54:30.840 --> 00:54:31.800
it done in time?

1228
00:54:31.860 --> 00:54:34.440
You know, we've got 9 minutes or something like that to put all of

1229
00:54:34.440 --> 00:54:38.940
the chips back so that we can leave at impulse and we learn, we've

1230
00:54:38.940 --> 00:54:43.019
learned already in the episode that they can evade the material by

1231
00:54:43.019 --> 00:54:46.199
going at half impulse that they can get out of its way that's

1232
00:54:46.199 --> 00:54:47.159
established already.

1233
00:54:47.219 --> 00:54:48.659
So they just need impulse.

1234
00:54:48.719 --> 00:54:49.739
So he's putting them all in.

1235
00:54:49.800 --> 00:54:51.239
And he's happily doing it.

1236
00:54:51.300 --> 00:54:54.000
He's doing it while being fully aware that it's not going to work

1237
00:54:54.000 --> 00:54:55.679
because he's not going to be able to do it in time.

1238
00:54:55.800 --> 00:54:58.500
And when they ask him, he says, oh, no, I...

1239
00:54:58.500 --> 00:54:59.460
Which is very funny.

1240
00:55:01.019 --> 00:55:04.440
Something had been introduced earlier in the episode that could

1241
00:55:04.440 --> 00:55:09.000
just push that rock, just a tiny bit out of the way to give them

1242
00:55:09.000 --> 00:55:10.139
that extra minute.

1243
00:55:10.199 --> 00:55:11.280
Oh, wait.

1244
00:55:11.340 --> 00:55:15.239
Do you remember that scene that started with Wesley, with that

1245
00:55:15.239 --> 00:55:16.619
chair flowing in the air?

1246
00:55:16.679 --> 00:55:17.340
Yes.

1247
00:55:17.820 --> 00:55:23.639
To be fair, they have already used that tractor beam thing to

1248
00:55:23.639 --> 00:55:27.539
create the force field and it's the tractor.

1249
00:55:27.599 --> 00:55:29.639
It's that actually, isn't it, that gives them the idea?

1250
00:55:29.699 --> 00:55:30.659
Why does Riket?

1251
00:55:30.719 --> 00:55:34.079
Why does it take Riker to now to realise he's infected when?

1252
00:55:34.079 --> 00:55:37.139
I mean, he never wants back strong, does he?

1253
00:55:37.199 --> 00:55:39.840
Like, no, but he's struggling against it.

1254
00:55:39.900 --> 00:55:44.940
But he only realises now, but didn't Beverly say, you carried her

1255
00:55:44.940 --> 00:55:46.559
in and then you touched me.

1256
00:55:46.619 --> 00:55:48.780
Maybe he thought he hadn't been...

1257
00:55:48.840 --> 00:55:51.599
This is the worst arctic scene of this episode.

1258
00:55:51.659 --> 00:55:56.820
It's Picard and Beverly. flirting over it.

1259
00:55:56.880 --> 00:56:00.360
Like, how is this Patrick Stewart has played for the RSC?

1260
00:56:00.420 --> 00:56:02.280
How is he playing comedy like this?

1261
00:56:02.460 --> 00:56:04.500
He's terrible.

1262
00:56:04.559 --> 00:56:08.760
Like, he's shockingly bad, but she's not calling you Beverly.

1263
00:56:08.820 --> 00:56:11.159
So naturally, you, oh, God.

1264
00:56:11.219 --> 00:56:13.800
Yeah, the dialogue is so leaden.

1265
00:56:13.860 --> 00:56:16.019
But she's much better than him in this scene.

1266
00:56:16.079 --> 00:56:18.719
Look at her wandering around trying to work out what she was

1267
00:56:18.719 --> 00:56:19.559
supposed to be doing.

1268
00:56:19.619 --> 00:56:21.300
And it's like, oh, that's right.

1269
00:56:21.360 --> 00:56:23.099
I was going to cure you.

1270
00:56:23.340 --> 00:56:24.300
Shawty.

1271
00:56:24.360 --> 00:56:26.219
Yes, great.

1272
00:56:27.059 --> 00:56:29.880
Patrick, hang your head.

1273
00:56:29.940 --> 00:56:30.780
All right.

1274
00:56:30.840 --> 00:56:31.440
Yeah.

1275
00:56:31.500 --> 00:56:35.280
No, you're being outacted by Gates McFatterson.

1276
00:56:36.719 --> 00:56:40.320
Not easily.

1277
00:56:41.579 --> 00:56:45.000
Oh, he's turned it into a repulsor beam.

1278
00:56:45.059 --> 00:56:46.260
Yeah.

1279
00:56:46.320 --> 00:56:48.900
So that's what they're going to do to get rid of the thing.

1280
00:56:48.960 --> 00:56:51.960
We have a use a repulsor beam ever again, you know, in Star Trek.

1281
00:56:52.019 --> 00:56:53.159
Well, I think we probably do.

1282
00:56:53.219 --> 00:56:56.219
We probably can tractor things out of the way.

1283
00:56:56.280 --> 00:56:57.840
Come on, Mr. Data.

1284
00:56:58.559 --> 00:57:03.239
Do you know, I do wonder, you know, if technology that's based on

1285
00:57:03.239 --> 00:57:05.400
a load of chips going in a wall.

1286
00:57:05.460 --> 00:57:08.579
I, yeah, I'm not sure that that's so good, is it?

1287
00:57:08.639 --> 00:57:09.900
Like that is pretty crap.

1288
00:57:09.960 --> 00:57:10.860
And they're just open.

1289
00:57:10.920 --> 00:57:13.139
Like what happens on the ship kind of tilts?

1290
00:57:13.199 --> 00:57:15.599
For a while, it's fibre optics, isn't it?

1291
00:57:15.659 --> 00:57:19.199
They use because that's a thing in the 90s and then it goes to the

1292
00:57:19.199 --> 00:57:19.980
gel packs.

1293
00:57:20.039 --> 00:57:24.059
There are isolinear controlled chips all the way through, and in

1294
00:57:24.059 --> 00:57:27.360
lower decks, there's one thing where they all, remember they have

1295
00:57:27.360 --> 00:57:28.800
to do that whole room full of them?

1296
00:57:28.860 --> 00:57:29.880
No, even better.

1297
00:57:29.940 --> 00:57:30.780
Do you not remember it?

1298
00:57:30.840 --> 00:57:33.840
11 little ship. when they're shrunk down and they have to go

1299
00:57:33.840 --> 00:57:37.500
inside and there's huge isolinear chips all around like a big

1300
00:57:37.500 --> 00:57:40.320
forest. they're going, how are we going to move it?

1301
00:57:40.380 --> 00:57:41.639
And they're trying to figure it out.

1302
00:57:41.699 --> 00:57:43.559
The massive isoline chip.

1303
00:57:43.920 --> 00:57:50.219
They ever look, his gate's doing a great job and look, Lavas

1304
00:57:50.219 --> 00:57:50.820
cured.

1305
00:57:50.880 --> 00:57:51.659
Suddenly.

1306
00:57:51.719 --> 00:57:52.679
Yeah.

1307
00:57:52.739 --> 00:57:54.599
Okay, so is he got to go around?

1308
00:57:54.599 --> 00:57:55.980
curing everybody else now.

1309
00:57:56.039 --> 00:57:59.639
No, she makes up.

1310
00:57:59.699 --> 00:58:03.420
She gives that to Picard to take down to engineering.

1311
00:58:03.480 --> 00:58:07.079
She does herself, which is doing great drunk acting.

1312
00:58:07.079 --> 00:58:09.900
And it... terrible, yeah?

1313
00:58:09.960 --> 00:58:11.940
And I don't drink alcohol very often.

1314
00:58:12.000 --> 00:58:15.179
So I'm usually quite lucid around people that are drunk, yeah?

1315
00:58:15.239 --> 00:58:19.679
They don't all become like, they don't all behave in a very sort

1316
00:58:19.679 --> 00:58:22.260
of childishly overstated way. like.

1317
00:58:22.440 --> 00:58:24.239
It's so weird.

1318
00:58:24.239 --> 00:58:26.340
And I know they're presenting it for television.

1319
00:58:26.400 --> 00:58:29.579
So it's a visual shorthand, but Jesus Christ.

1320
00:58:29.699 --> 00:58:30.480
No, no.

1321
00:58:30.539 --> 00:58:34.320
And as you point out, Patrick's doing a really shitty job of it.

1322
00:58:34.440 --> 00:58:37.019
Well, I think he's slumming it at this point.

1323
00:58:37.079 --> 00:58:37.980
He doesn't think...

1324
00:58:37.980 --> 00:58:40.019
Well, Joe's got a coach.

1325
00:58:40.079 --> 00:58:41.159
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1326
00:58:41.219 --> 00:58:41.940
Yeah, that's it.

1327
00:58:42.000 --> 00:58:44.460
He's not taking the padlock off his suitcase, yeah.

1328
00:58:45.000 --> 00:58:46.619
That's right.

1329
00:58:46.679 --> 00:58:51.119
He hasn't moved all the things into the drawers in the chest of

1330
00:58:51.119 --> 00:58:51.480
drawers.

1331
00:58:51.539 --> 00:58:54.239
You know the story about him, like, and them sitting him down

1332
00:58:54.239 --> 00:58:56.460
towards the end of the season and going, Patrick...

1333
00:58:56.639 --> 00:58:57.840
Can you chill the fuck out?

1334
00:58:57.900 --> 00:59:01.139
Yeah, they have been serious, making this bullshit.

1335
00:59:01.199 --> 00:59:02.820
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1336
00:59:02.880 --> 00:59:04.860
Ah, there we go.

1337
00:59:04.920 --> 00:59:05.579
It worked.

1338
00:59:05.639 --> 00:59:06.000
Good.

1339
00:59:06.059 --> 00:59:07.980
So Wesley saves the ship.

1340
00:59:08.039 --> 00:59:09.719
Wesley saves the ship.

1341
00:59:09.780 --> 00:59:10.619
He does it dangerous.

1342
00:59:10.679 --> 00:59:12.420
That's a hell of an explosion, though.

1343
00:59:12.480 --> 00:59:13.139
Boom.

1344
00:59:13.199 --> 00:59:14.099
Yeah, it's good, isn't it?

1345
00:59:14.159 --> 00:59:16.260
That's not the original, but it is pretty great.

1346
00:59:16.320 --> 00:59:17.340
It is good.

1347
00:59:17.460 --> 00:59:18.059
It is good.

1348
00:59:18.239 --> 00:59:21.360
Yeah, just in the nick of time as well.

1349
00:59:21.420 --> 00:59:23.639
Two seconds more, they would have been gone.

1350
00:59:23.699 --> 00:59:24.360
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1351
00:59:24.420 --> 00:59:24.960
But that's the point.

1352
00:59:25.019 --> 00:59:30.659
They were trying to buy just enough time for him to fix there. out

1353
00:59:30.659 --> 00:59:32.760
of the way. off and then the rock flies by.

1354
00:59:32.820 --> 00:59:34.199
Yeah.

1355
00:59:34.260 --> 00:59:37.619
And these stock shots, all of the shots, the exterior shots, that

1356
00:59:37.619 --> 00:59:39.539
guy's such, look how quickly he recovers.

1357
00:59:39.599 --> 00:59:41.699
He's doing a goofy phase.

1358
00:59:41.699 --> 00:59:43.139
And then he just goes, oh, yeah, okay.

1359
00:59:43.199 --> 00:59:44.099
There we go.

1360
00:59:44.159 --> 00:59:49.199
I'll go back to work Geordie, I hope you've had your shots, you

1361
00:59:49.199 --> 00:59:51.719
know, I feel feel back sitting in that chair.

1362
00:59:51.780 --> 00:59:52.739
I'll keep going on about it.

1363
00:59:52.800 --> 00:59:56.460
But that's, I'm very big on lumber support.

1364
00:59:56.519 --> 00:59:58.559
Yeah, they're terrible.

1365
00:59:58.619 --> 00:59:59.219
They are terrible.

1366
00:59:59.280 --> 01:00:02.519
I thought another great moment from Gates there where she goes on

1367
01:00:02.519 --> 01:00:06.780
about how proud she is of her son and again, he's doing a pretty

1368
01:00:06.780 --> 01:00:07.260
good job.

1369
01:00:07.320 --> 01:00:09.900
Um, yes, yeah.

1370
01:00:10.320 --> 01:00:14.340
And again, they're trying to lean into the Picard doesn't like

1371
01:00:14.340 --> 01:00:15.239
children thing.

1372
01:00:15.300 --> 01:00:21.179
Um, Jonathan Frakes look like a pop without a beard.

1373
01:00:21.239 --> 01:00:23.579
Yeah, I know he looks so young, doesn't he?

1374
01:00:23.699 --> 01:00:25.019
I like that.

1375
01:00:25.079 --> 01:00:26.400
And look, that's odd, isn't it?

1376
01:00:26.460 --> 01:00:28.019
Data smiles and shakes his hand.

1377
01:00:28.079 --> 01:00:30.599
This is off the moral of the week.

1378
01:00:30.659 --> 01:00:30.960
Okay.

1379
01:00:31.019 --> 01:00:31.860
Oh, it goes.

1380
01:00:32.579 --> 01:00:35.039
Now, look, we're going to have some wonderful adventures ahead.

1381
01:00:35.039 --> 01:00:37.320
As long as we don't, what is it, indulge ourselves?

1382
01:00:37.320 --> 01:00:39.179
To take temptation.

1383
01:00:39.599 --> 01:00:41.280
Like, what's that?

1384
01:00:41.340 --> 01:00:42.239
don't even know what that is.

1385
01:00:42.300 --> 01:00:44.400
So long as we don't boffy each other.

1386
01:00:44.460 --> 01:00:48.300
Well, at least say that, you know, because in series one of TNG

1387
01:00:48.300 --> 01:00:53.280
they do do that. jokes at the end, except they go, are you ready

1388
01:00:53.280 --> 01:00:53.579
for this?

1389
01:00:54.780 --> 01:00:57.420
It's even worse than music.

1390
01:00:57.480 --> 01:01:00.119
So at least I didn't end on a gag.

1391
01:01:00.719 --> 01:01:02.940
Yes, a crap joke.

1392
01:01:03.000 --> 01:01:06.900
Yes, but yes, this speech is so bizarre.

1393
01:01:06.960 --> 01:01:10.679
I think we shall end up with a fine crew.

1394
01:01:10.739 --> 01:01:11.880
What's that?

1395
01:01:12.000 --> 01:01:13.199
Like, who talks like that?

1396
01:01:13.260 --> 01:01:14.099
That's so bad.

1397
01:01:14.159 --> 01:01:17.099
And, you know, take a look around, all right?

1398
01:01:17.159 --> 01:01:20.699
Your crew are the horniest crew. their bulk their way through the

1399
01:01:20.699 --> 01:01:21.900
next 7 seasons.

1400
01:01:21.960 --> 01:01:26.940
Every time a delegate, every time a delegate comes on board, one

1401
01:01:26.940 --> 01:01:28.019
of them is sleeping with them.

1402
01:01:28.739 --> 01:01:29.460
Yeah, that's true.

1403
01:01:29.519 --> 01:01:30.719
Jesus Christ, that's true.

1404
01:01:30.780 --> 01:01:32.219
Actually, it's just Picard.

1405
01:01:32.880 --> 01:01:33.599
Oh, no, Vash.

1406
01:01:33.659 --> 01:01:34.320
Vash.

1407
01:01:34.320 --> 01:01:35.099
Vash.

1408
01:01:35.159 --> 01:01:37.559
And what's her face?

1409
01:01:37.619 --> 01:01:41.400
I mean, most people on DS9 are in relationships, so they don't

1410
01:01:41.400 --> 01:01:43.019
really have a chance to be horny too much.

1411
01:01:43.079 --> 01:01:44.280
No, that's true.

1412
01:01:44.280 --> 01:01:46.980
Or just in certain prescribed parameters.

1413
01:01:47.099 --> 01:01:50.940
Then the stock shot of the enterprise heading off into the

1414
01:01:50.940 --> 01:01:51.119
distance.

1415
01:01:51.179 --> 01:01:55.320
Well, I have to say, now that did tickle both of the brain cells I

1416
01:01:55.320 --> 01:01:55.980
used to watch it.

1417
01:01:56.039 --> 01:01:57.539
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1418
01:01:57.539 --> 01:02:01.019
Mostly because I was talking to you while I was watching it, but

1419
01:02:01.019 --> 01:02:03.119
oh, Jesus, Nathan, code of honours started.

1420
01:02:03.239 --> 01:02:04.920
Oh, no.

1421
01:02:04.980 --> 01:02:07.139
No, we've gone from C again.

1422
01:02:07.199 --> 01:02:10.019
Why didn't I mention that as something worse than this?

1423
01:02:10.079 --> 01:02:10.980
You know?

1424
01:02:10.980 --> 01:02:12.659
Planet League on two.

1425
01:02:12.719 --> 01:02:16.619
We've gone from utter horniness to complete racism. in a

1426
01:02:16.619 --> 01:02:17.099
heartbeat.

1427
01:02:17.159 --> 01:02:17.940
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1428
01:02:18.000 --> 01:02:18.659
Terrible.

1429
01:02:18.780 --> 01:02:20.280
Shockingly bad.

1430
01:02:20.340 --> 01:02:25.320
Yeah, so, like, I still, like I said, I maintain that there were

1431
01:02:25.320 --> 01:02:27.900
things there that I thought were kind of charming.

1432
01:02:27.900 --> 01:02:30.599
I think that the kind of bones of the story are there.

1433
01:02:30.659 --> 01:02:35.579
It's just that the performances and the fucking dialogue are

1434
01:02:35.579 --> 01:02:38.460
really bad, like really still quite bad.

1435
01:02:38.519 --> 01:02:39.960
But you can see what they're doing.

1436
01:02:40.019 --> 01:02:45.119
I maintained that DC Fontana made a wise choice when she took her

1437
01:02:45.119 --> 01:02:50.280
name off the script and didn't want that scene on her CV. exactly.

1438
01:02:50.340 --> 01:02:52.619
Although some of the other scripts her name are on.

1439
01:02:52.679 --> 01:02:54.659
I mean, come on, DC. Jesus Christ.

1440
01:02:54.719 --> 01:02:59.219
Well, you know, like she's 20 years further on in a riding career

1441
01:02:59.219 --> 01:03:01.139
for TV and is losing touch.

1442
01:03:01.260 --> 01:03:04.079
I think that happens to TV riders generally, as they get older

1443
01:03:04.079 --> 01:03:06.480
they get less good at it sometimes.

1444
01:03:06.539 --> 01:03:09.780
Oh, I'd forgotten, you know, you know, we were talking about Tasha

1445
01:03:09.840 --> 01:03:15.000
and her experiences with the rape gangs and how that sort of

1446
01:03:15.000 --> 01:03:15.960
informed her now.

1447
01:03:16.019 --> 01:03:21.000
And then in code of honour, the man, the head of the tribe has

1448
01:03:21.000 --> 01:03:25.500
just appeared and she throws him over her shoulder because he

1449
01:03:25.500 --> 01:03:26.460
threatens Picard.

1450
01:03:26.460 --> 01:03:30.179
And then later on in the episode, she goes, you know, he's so

1451
01:03:30.179 --> 01:03:34.199
dominant and in charge, I just find him absolutely intoxicating.

1452
01:03:34.260 --> 01:03:37.920
I just, like, she's she's obsessed with him because because he's

1453
01:03:37.920 --> 01:03:39.059
all man, you know?

1454
01:03:39.119 --> 01:03:40.380
Yeah, yeah.

1455
01:03:40.800 --> 01:03:42.539
What were they doing in series one?

1456
01:03:42.599 --> 01:03:44.039
So strange.

1457
01:03:44.099 --> 01:03:45.119
It's Jane.

1458
01:03:45.179 --> 01:03:48.539
It's just Jane being a creepy, horny.

1459
01:03:48.599 --> 01:03:50.280
But Norris Hurley's in there as well.

1460
01:03:50.340 --> 01:03:53.579
And he obviously goes at the end of two, where I think a lot of

1461
01:03:53.579 --> 01:03:55.139
the problems depart.

1462
01:03:56.340 --> 01:03:57.239
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1463
01:03:57.300 --> 01:04:01.199
So I think between, yeah, you don't have a gene coon here, do

1464
01:04:01.199 --> 01:04:01.440
you?

1465
01:04:01.500 --> 01:04:03.000
No, that's it.

1466
01:04:03.059 --> 01:04:04.559
Stabilising the ship.

1467
01:04:04.619 --> 01:04:05.880
Yeah.

1468
01:04:05.940 --> 01:04:09.539
And I think it's a, like we've said before, it's the pillar thing

1469
01:04:09.539 --> 01:04:13.019
where he comes in in 3 and makes the space problems be about

1470
01:04:13.019 --> 01:04:17.820
someone on the crew and that's the, that's the magic formula

1471
01:04:17.880 --> 01:04:18.599
finally.

1472
01:04:18.659 --> 01:04:19.500
I think.

1473
01:04:19.559 --> 01:04:20.280
Yes.

1474
01:04:20.400 --> 01:04:24.059
They haven't found the magic formula quite yet though.

1475
01:04:24.119 --> 01:04:26.099
Not at this point, no.

1476
01:04:33.840 --> 01:04:37.619
All right, it's the end of the episode, and it's time for us to

1477
01:04:37.619 --> 01:04:40.320
work out where we're going next.

1478
01:04:40.380 --> 01:04:48.780
This was my choice, reliably brilliant as always, and so it's time

1479
01:04:48.780 --> 01:04:52.199
for you to take control of the randomiser, Joe. Where are we

1480
01:04:52.199 --> 01:04:52.440
going?

1481
01:04:52.679 --> 01:04:55.440
Reliably brilliant, you say.

1482
01:04:55.500 --> 01:04:59.400
I think we should go and look back at your choices in the past, you

1483
01:04:59.400 --> 01:05:03.900
know, I think it may be 2 to one to me in the reliably brilliant

1484
01:05:03.900 --> 01:05:04.260
states.

1485
01:05:04.320 --> 01:05:08.039
Well, I'm going to take us across to Star Trek Voyager, which I

1486
01:05:08.039 --> 01:05:10.619
think is quite low down in the percentages.

1487
01:05:10.679 --> 01:05:11.579
Okay.

1488
01:05:11.639 --> 01:05:14.460
And you know, usually we go one of 2 directions.

1489
01:05:14.579 --> 01:05:17.460
I mean, generally it's, oh, God, what happened?

1490
01:05:17.519 --> 01:05:21.900
But occasionally it's wow, that was surprisingly rather good.

1491
01:05:22.019 --> 01:05:24.780
Okay, well, let's see where we get in here.

1492
01:05:25.800 --> 01:05:28.199
Oh, well, one we've covered.

1493
01:05:28.260 --> 01:05:30.599
Okay, well, one is that?

1494
01:05:30.659 --> 01:05:33.000
Had we not have covered, it would not have been good.

1495
01:05:33.059 --> 01:05:36.119
It was series 2, episode 15 threshold.

1496
01:05:36.179 --> 01:05:37.440
Oh God.

1497
01:05:38.159 --> 01:05:40.199
No, the Raven.

1498
01:05:40.260 --> 01:05:41.460
We've done that one as well, haven't we?

1499
01:05:41.519 --> 01:05:42.599
We have done the Raven.

1500
01:05:42.659 --> 01:05:43.199
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1501
01:05:43.260 --> 01:05:43.980
Grief.

1502
01:05:44.039 --> 01:05:44.280
Okay.

1503
01:05:46.440 --> 01:05:50.340
I'm too scared to watch this one with you because I've got a

1504
01:05:50.340 --> 01:05:51.539
feeling you'll love it.

1505
01:05:52.500 --> 01:05:54.179
What is it?

1506
01:05:54.239 --> 01:05:59.219
Season five, episode five, once upon a time.

1507
01:05:59.280 --> 01:06:01.320
Oh, is that flutter and tree?

1508
01:06:01.320 --> 01:06:02.039
That's the one.

1509
01:06:02.099 --> 01:06:05.280
Nigelix takes Naomi Wildman into the holodeck.

1510
01:06:05.340 --> 01:06:06.840
Oh no.

1511
01:06:06.900 --> 01:06:08.639
Top I say again.

1512
01:06:08.699 --> 01:06:09.719
Yeah, go on.

1513
01:06:09.719 --> 01:06:11.099
All right, yeah, I don't want to do that.

1514
01:06:11.159 --> 01:06:12.599
Oh, this one is quite good.

1515
01:06:12.659 --> 01:06:14.159
Oh, we have done that, okay.

1516
01:06:14.219 --> 01:06:16.980
Yeah, no, this one I remember being really good at. a mic Vajar

1517
01:06:16.980 --> 01:06:17.760
directed episode.

1518
01:06:17.820 --> 01:06:23.159
It's part of the Hirogen arc, but the best episode.

1519
01:06:23.219 --> 01:06:26.159
Season four, episode 16 prey.

1520
01:06:26.219 --> 01:06:27.960
Oh, excellent.

1521
01:06:28.019 --> 01:06:31.619
It's the one where Species 8, whatever they're called, are...

1522
01:06:31.619 --> 01:06:32.400
8472.

1523
01:06:32.400 --> 01:06:35.880
Attacking the ship and the Hirogen are there trying to hunt it

1524
01:06:35.880 --> 01:06:36.119
down.

1525
01:06:36.420 --> 01:06:38.159
Okay, all right.

1526
01:06:38.219 --> 01:06:38.699
That sounds good.

1527
01:06:38.760 --> 01:06:44.340
It has a huge moral debate between 7 and Kate Mulgrew, and it's

1528
01:06:44.340 --> 01:06:47.280
just at the point where the 2 actresses weren't getting on at

1529
01:06:47.280 --> 01:06:47.460
all.

1530
01:06:47.519 --> 01:06:48.900
Really?

1531
01:06:48.900 --> 01:06:52.139
You can feel the tension in the air when they're really cross with

1532
01:06:52.139 --> 01:06:52.500
each other.

1533
01:06:52.800 --> 01:06:55.380
It's not quite a two-parter, is it?

1534
01:06:55.440 --> 01:07:01.619
It's a linked. 2 linked episodes, 100s of prey that introduce the

1535
01:07:01.619 --> 01:07:02.219
hierogen.

1536
01:07:02.280 --> 01:07:05.280
And then you get the 2 parcel that we've already done.

1537
01:07:05.340 --> 01:07:06.539
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1538
01:07:06.659 --> 01:07:07.199
So we would have grown.

1539
01:07:07.320 --> 01:07:10.679
We will have done, you know, 3 quarters of the Hirogen.

1540
01:07:10.679 --> 01:07:12.840
Of the Hirogen art.

1541
01:07:12.900 --> 01:07:13.260
Yeah.

1542
01:07:13.320 --> 01:07:13.920
Yeah.

1543
01:07:13.980 --> 01:07:14.460
Okay.

1544
01:07:14.519 --> 01:07:16.619
All right, that sounds like a great choice.

1545
01:07:16.679 --> 01:07:17.159
Let's do that.

1546
01:07:24.960 --> 01:07:28.800
You've been listening to Entitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford

1547
01:07:28.800 --> 01:07:29.940
and Nathan Bottomley.

1548
01:07:30.000 --> 01:07:33.420
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1549
01:07:33.420 --> 01:07:36.119
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1550
01:07:36.179 --> 01:07:39.960
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Ciceran, and the theme was

1551
01:07:39.960 --> 01:07:41.579
composed by Cameron Lamb.

1552
01:07:41.639 --> 01:07:46.019
This episode was recorded on the 14th of October 2025 and released

1553
01:07:46.019 --> 01:07:47.639
on the 17th of October.

1554
01:07:47.699 --> 01:07:51.360
We'll see you next time for Star Trek Voyager, Gray.

1555
01:08:09.420 --> 01:08:12.000
I remember, you know.

1556
01:08:12.059 --> 01:08:16.140
Uh, that there's some real atmosphere in this one.

1557
01:08:16.199 --> 01:08:20.399
There's great shots of the of Species 8472 climbing on the

1558
01:08:20.399 --> 01:08:22.380
exterior of Voyager.

1559
01:08:22.439 --> 01:08:26.579
Um, and just wonderful, you know, like the hunting down the

1560
01:08:26.579 --> 01:08:29.819
corridor shots. of really well-witted atmosphere.

1561
01:08:29.880 --> 01:08:30.600
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1562
01:08:30.659 --> 01:08:31.859
I've said, because...

1563
01:08:31.859 --> 01:08:36.000
We were, remember, like, just a couple of weeks ago, like when I

1564
01:08:36.000 --> 01:08:40.500
was over there, we were comparing the gone climbing on the ceiling

1565
01:08:40.500 --> 01:08:42.899
to Species 8472.

1566
01:08:44.699 --> 01:08:46.619
It's like, see how it holds up.

1567
01:08:46.680 --> 01:08:49.859
It's going to be very impressive looking action until you think

1568
01:08:49.859 --> 01:08:53.159
about anything at all that has been done since then.

1569
01:08:53.279 --> 01:08:55.439
All 90s track, though.

1570
01:08:55.500 --> 01:08:57.479
That is really all 90s, right?

1571
01:08:57.600 --> 01:08:59.340
especially what we just watched, you know?

1572
01:08:59.399 --> 01:09:00.479
Yeah, yeah.

1573
01:09:00.539 --> 01:09:02.220
But I get like, yeah, he's good.

1574
01:09:02.279 --> 01:09:04.859
I do remember it, like, and I certainly remember that being a

1575
01:09:04.859 --> 01:09:05.039
thing.

1576
01:09:05.100 --> 01:09:05.579
That'll be good.

1577
01:09:05.640 --> 01:09:08.340
Tony Tolt is the herogen in that one.

1578
01:09:08.399 --> 01:09:11.520
Oh, that's cool. really great.

1579
01:09:11.579 --> 01:09:13.319
And it's a great one for Jerry.

1580
01:09:13.380 --> 01:09:14.220
I seem to remember.

1581
01:09:14.279 --> 01:09:15.359
Okay.

1582
01:09:15.420 --> 01:09:15.840
All right.

1583
01:09:15.899 --> 01:09:16.680
That's cool.

1584
01:09:16.739 --> 01:09:17.520
So, episode one?

1585
01:09:17.579 --> 01:09:19.380
into season four, is it?

1586
01:09:19.439 --> 01:09:20.699
Halfway through, I think.

1587
01:09:20.760 --> 01:09:23.039
Uh, 16.

1588
01:09:23.220 --> 01:09:24.539
Yeah. 16, okay.

1589
01:09:24.600 --> 01:09:24.960
16.

1590
01:09:25.140 --> 01:09:28.319
And it's sort of, you know, season 4 sort of Forager pulling his

1591
01:09:28.319 --> 01:09:28.859
act together.

1592
01:09:28.920 --> 01:09:30.239
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1593
01:09:30.300 --> 01:09:31.020
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1594
01:09:31.079 --> 01:09:32.939
And doing new things because they can.

1595
01:09:33.000 --> 01:09:34.199
I think that's good Yeah.

1596
01:09:34.199 --> 01:09:37.680
And that's just that lift that 7 brought for a couple of years

1597
01:09:37.680 --> 01:09:40.680
before they sort of overused her and...

1598
01:09:40.680 --> 01:09:41.880
Yeah.

1599
01:09:41.939 --> 01:09:46.979
Stop trying about, basically forgot about Roxanne, who is great.

1600
01:09:47.039 --> 01:09:48.060
Outrageous.

1601
01:09:48.119 --> 01:09:50.039
Let's see if she can get to see.

1602
01:09:50.100 --> 01:09:51.359
No, she's pregnant at this point.

1603
01:09:51.420 --> 01:09:54.060
So let's see if she's hidden behind consoles and things, you

1604
01:09:54.060 --> 01:09:54.300
know?

1605
01:09:55.079 --> 01:09:57.960
that big jacket that she gets.

1606
01:09:58.020 --> 01:10:01.020
Roxanne, you know, I think you look very fetching in this

1607
01:10:01.020 --> 01:10:01.859
engineering coat.

1608
01:10:01.920 --> 01:10:02.460
Oh, thank you.

1609
01:10:02.520 --> 01:10:04.859
The engineering coat.

1610
01:10:04.920 --> 01:10:09.840
So of those 1st 3 Star Trek says a pregnancy among the cast in H

1611
01:10:09.840 --> 01:10:10.680
one, isn't there?

1612
01:10:11.279 --> 01:10:12.840
Gates.

1613
01:10:12.899 --> 01:10:15.300
Yeah, Nan Roxanne.

1614
01:10:15.359 --> 01:10:15.720
Yes.

1615
01:10:15.779 --> 01:10:16.619
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1616
01:10:16.680 --> 01:10:17.939
They only wrote in one.

1617
01:10:18.000 --> 01:10:19.859
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1618
01:10:19.920 --> 01:10:21.239
Of course I did.

1619
01:10:21.300 --> 01:10:26.039
What happens in fascinations with Sid and her kissing.

1620
01:10:26.340 --> 01:10:30.659
Just like, it wasn't like that in real life, was it?

1621
01:10:30.720 --> 01:10:35.760
Like it kind of... like they're doing sort of like absurd comedy.

1622
01:10:35.819 --> 01:10:40.199
Again, it's the Midsomer Night's dream thing where they're just

1623
01:10:40.199 --> 01:10:44.100
kind of doing ridiculous comedy face sucking them.

1624
01:10:44.100 --> 01:10:46.020
Watch them kissing an Arman Bashir.

1625
01:10:46.020 --> 01:10:49.619
And that's that was the point where the relationship started.

1626
01:10:49.800 --> 01:10:51.659
Boy, 0 boy.

1627
01:10:51.779 --> 01:10:54.359
Then when she's dressed up as Colonel, come on enough.

1628
01:10:54.420 --> 01:10:55.260
KGB.

1629
01:10:56.220 --> 01:10:59.039
I can't wait till we do that. to do that.

1630
01:10:59.100 --> 01:11:00.180
That's gonna be so good.

1631
01:11:00.300 --> 01:11:03.060
That'll be good Karen in that one.

1632
01:11:03.119 --> 01:11:04.619
Oh, man.

1633
01:11:04.680 --> 01:11:09.899
Um, Ona McCormack, right, when she was talking about, uh, we, so

1634
01:11:09.899 --> 01:11:12.420
we did doctor, doctor was the bulk of the call, and then at the

1635
01:11:12.420 --> 01:11:15.180
end I wanted to ask her about that Star Trek and Deep Space Night

1636
01:11:15.180 --> 01:11:17.579
in particular, and it was just clear.

1637
01:11:17.640 --> 01:11:20.399
She could have gone on and on and on, but all she wanted to talk

1638
01:11:20.399 --> 01:11:21.840
about was Garak.

1639
01:11:21.899 --> 01:11:22.619
There you go.

1640
01:11:24.720 --> 01:11:28.979
But she was talking about, because obviously she's written a lot

1641
01:11:28.979 --> 01:11:31.380
of Star Trek books and she was saying that, you know, I just

1642
01:11:31.380 --> 01:11:35.340
didn't want to write, like, I've got sociology degrees.

1643
01:11:35.399 --> 01:11:36.840
I understand cultures.

1644
01:11:36.960 --> 01:11:40.560
She goes, so I wanted to take characters that have been presented

1645
01:11:40.560 --> 01:11:45.960
to me in a really vivid way and then explain how a culture could

1646
01:11:45.960 --> 01:11:49.979
create a character, which is why she does like a couple of Garak

1647
01:11:49.979 --> 01:11:50.279
books.

1648
01:11:50.340 --> 01:11:51.659
I must read those.

1649
01:11:51.720 --> 01:11:53.760
Yeah, she's great.

1650
01:11:53.819 --> 01:11:55.140
She's so funny.

1651
01:11:55.260 --> 01:11:58.439
I mean, normally when I do these interviews, I'm trying to make

1652
01:11:58.439 --> 01:11:59.039
them laugh.

1653
01:11:59.100 --> 01:12:02.039
She was trying to make me laugh in that.

1654
01:12:02.100 --> 01:12:03.899
God, she was funny. pretty good.

1655
01:12:03.960 --> 01:12:05.520
Yeah she was wonderful.