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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So we're back.

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We're together again.

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And it's Festival of the Gorn here on Untitled Star Trek Project.

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So last time.

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We did hegemony Parts one and two, which is the big gone 2 parter in Strange New World.

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Yes.

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And immediately after that, the 1st thing that you rolled was Arena.

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So this is Arena, Star Trek, the original series, series one, episode 18, depending on how you count, and it was 1st broadcast on the 19th of January 1967.

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Good grief.

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I mean, I wasn't even a sparkle in my mother's eye.

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I wasn't either.

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Oh, no, you came in at the last episode.

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I did.

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I did.

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That's a theme of your visit here has been enormous lizards.

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So...

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May I say that every single enormous lizard episode we've watched, I've enjoyed immensely.

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Yeah.

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So, uh, we also watched terrarium, which was series 3 just now.

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Which is series three, episode 9 of Strange New World. which is in many ways a kind of remake.

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Favoritual successor?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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But have they figured out how to make Star Trek?

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Yeah.

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So, like, I think it's impossible to overstate how important Arena is to Star Trek.

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Yeah, influence is everywhere.

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Yeah.

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So it's part of the sort of Star Trek folk memory.

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I mean, when people think about Vasquez rocks, It's that episode they're thinking of more than all of the other times that they show.

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Oh my god, that's the place where they shot shadows and symbols.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Well, they might have...

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They might have...

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But I think Vazquez Rox is the home of the Gorn, really.

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And we don't have the corn in the 90s until Enterprise when Enterprise starts to go crazy.

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I don't think they're confident that they can do the animatronics justice and they're probably right.

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I think too, it's just sort of part of that thing that Star Trek, the Next Generation, does of trying to move away from original Trek in all sorts of ways.

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It's not until Manikoto comes in on enterprise and goes, well, I mean, we're doing a pre-TOS series.

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Why the fuck have we not done the gore?

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Yeah, we, yeah, we, why aren't we doing Tellerrides?

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Why aren't there more Vulcans, you know?

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They still wait till we're in an alternative universe, though. surrounded by a folian web.

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Exactly. just one before that.

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But this is a very odd episode.

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I think, because it's when Star Trek hasn't quite decided what it is yet, we're determined the galactic barrier yet.

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I can't remember, actually.

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No, I think that doesn't come till Star Trek five.

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There was a few things.

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There was a few things when we were watching this and I was looking at you like, what?

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Like, this is not what Star Trek lands on.

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No, no.

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So I think probably the most telling thing is there's a bit of dialogue which suggests that there's an area of space that's under federation control, and this is the 1st time we hear about the federation, and that enterprise is the ship that is patrolling it, you know.

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Policing.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, that's right.

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What is this, the bill in the future?

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Yeah, yeah.

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And so Kirk is determined to kill the gore, you know, and that's what easy to run.

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Upholding those federation values.

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No, they took out a colony, right?

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So we've got to go and kill them.

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Yeah.

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And it's not, like, it's not entirely on Kirkside.

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The narrative isn't entirely on Kirkside, and we'll talk about that, but it is an odd thing.

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And so then they get put on a planet, you know, the 2 captains, Kirk and the Gorn captain get put on the planet and have to find it out.

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And it's an episode that is really memorable, I think, just because of the gone, like it's not the sort of thing that Star Trek attempts very much.

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No, and visually, it's extremely memorable.

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We will laugh a lot in this episode, okay?

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That moving jaw when he does something else.

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So great.

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It does blink, though, you know, in the new version.

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In the new version, sorry.

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But also there's just some incredible location work as well.

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Oh gorgeous.

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And the location work at the start of the episode as well. which I think is in a different place, you said.

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Yeah, yeah.

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So it's the Planet Cestus 3.

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And so it's a colony, but apparently it's the remains of a set that was used in a film in the 1930s and it was the Alamo.

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You're joking. apparently.

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The Alamo, apparently.

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Well, why aren't Miles and Julian heading straight to Cesters free?

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That's right.

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So it's redressed slightly and it is a really, really memorable location.

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And they also just use...

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Yeah, it's huge, massive.

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And they use heaps of pyrotechnics as well.

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Boy, do they?

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So much so, I think.

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We were fearing for William Shatner's life because at one point he's clearly doing a roll forward and this enormous gout of flame nearly takes him out.

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Well, the memory alpha page claims that Shatner still suffers from tinnitus as well.

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He just wanted to...

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Of course he is.

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He's on a retainer ever since.

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But I think both Leonard and Dee also suffered.

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As a result.

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So it was pretty, it was a pretty big deal.

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And it's easy to imagine because they weren't sort of particularly careful, I think, even with their big stars in the in the 60s.

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But it's so unusual as well because we always say, don't we?

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You know, at 50 minutes or rather, you know, Scott McNulty always says, at 50 minutes, Trek is always too long and it's usually because there's a ton of very wordy scenes.

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About two-thirds of this is action.

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Yeah, which is that's cinema, right?

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That's not TV. and it's in a cinema location as well because they've shot Westerns there too.

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So they they're pushing the boat out here.

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I think in terms of what TV can do in the 60s.

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Yeah, there's a big bit in the middle that's all just kind of said on the ship.

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You know, you've got the initial thing in Cestus 3.

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It does take us a while to get to the Gorn, so we're about halfway through before we end up on the asteroid where they're gone and Captain Kirk have to find.

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But, you know, despite how odd it seems, and how only half formed it is as Star Trek, it's the 18th Star Trek episode ever to be broadcast, you know, and we're now up to 960 something.

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It's that thing when a show is forming and they're just trying lots of different things.

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Like in a few episodes time, you get, God, what's the one with the water?

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Devil in the dark.

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And where they've sort of landed.

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That's Gene Coon as well.

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And that's less we're going to go and kill that flying Frisbee and we're going to try and empathise with it and understand it and see why it's killing people.

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So it is a show that's forming.

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But I do like that they're trying lots of different versions of Star Trek to see what sort of sticks.

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Yeah And as I said, I think Kirk is a little bit Captain Ahab in that scene, and I don't think that the narrative sides with him completely, because you've got Spock and Ahura's reaction, and you've got his final decision where he isn't going to kill the goal.

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You know me. a bit of a sadist.

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I was hoping that knife was coming down, but no, it's still Star Trek.

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We would never have liked him.

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Well, no, because they did do that in terrarium, where it was the other way around.

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There was no fighting going on in the whole episode, and then at the end... and blows her away.

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Yeah, I was like, oh, that's me.

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Actually, the biggest difference, ship side, I realised between arena and terrarium was in arena.

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There was a lot of scenes of Spock, McCoy and Scottie just standing around going, well, there's nothing we can do.

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We'll have to just wait until, you know, he's in a big area of space, who knows where, in terrarium.

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They were literally all of them chipping in to try and figure out where she was.

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They were putting the ship in a wormhole, like, do you know what I mean?

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The show's moved on to a point where everybody is utilised to try and be part of the solution.

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And, of course, that episode has 2 friends for Erica, it has Mrs. Gorn down on the planet, and it has agreed.

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And it has Ahura, you know, like it has Ahura, who the episode really focusses on.

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She's the secondary focus of the episode.

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So, please, I got to see her hair, all our fabulous.

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Yeah, yeah.

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After the weird.

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She's no longer Mrs. Conehead. at the start of the season.

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But also as well, like you've mentioned off mic.

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Obviously, Dharmok is the spiritual successor to this as well, where it starts off very like arena.

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They've both got weapons.

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They're clearly supposed to fight each other.

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That's the idea.

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That's why they fell on the planet.

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Or they think that as well, don't they?

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initially.

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They think that, but Dathan, the captain, doesn't think that the captain who brought them down there has brought them down to fight together.

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The way that they learn to communicate with each other and the just the very moving way, then the heat saves Picard.

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And I mean, you were in tears at the end of that episode.

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Now you weren't quite as moved by the end, by the end of terrarium.

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But that again is doing the same thing, isn't it?

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is you think this is going to be Arena. and they're deliberately making you think that because at the end, a fucking sparkly dress appears out of the Eva, and it's the Metron's come back to...

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We're still observing you in the gauds.

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We're not entirely sure, you know, I'll take the data back and we'll be back in for the next series of Star Trek. if we can do this all over again.

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But I did...

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I mean, I loved Interior in that approach of just building a relationship between Erica and the Gaunt because it's the last thing you would ever imagine happening.

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Well, in fact, I think one of the things that makes terrarium superior to this, and obviously it's not as iconic as this or as memorable as this.

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No, but because you've given Erica an established relationship with the gore.

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And apparently Captain Kirk doesn't know what the Gorn is.

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So clearly all of those times Jim goes on to the enterprise. before he becomes the captain, he's always there, but no one seems to have ever mentioned the Gordon Twitter.

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I think in a little scene afterwards.

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We didn't see it.

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It was after the terrible joke at the end, he went, my God, there's this whole party in the database about the Gauls.

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Oh, for God's sake, couldn't someone send that down to me?

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No, I think Jim would say, oh, that's right.

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I remember, that was her entire backstory, wasn't it?

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I mean, I was very surprised in this episode as well.

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How many of his clothes that William Shatner kept on.

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But it was in the sun.

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I'm sorry he didn't want a sunstroke or anything like that.

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Well, normally it needs no excuse at all to get his kit off, does he?

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Yeah, yeah.

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But it's early days, yeah.

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It's before he goes quite as mad as he ends up going.

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And as well as being memorable, iconic, fun, all those things.

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And I think a good use of 50 minutes.

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I didn't think it tracked for me.

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I actually think as well, it wins the recipient of the Star Trek episode.

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I mean, there's a high accolade, this of the best ever enormous polystyrene rocks.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Because there's one sequence where you can hear it tearing apart as shutters, desperately trying to pretend that he's shoving it.

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I think, like, are there three?

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I think there are three, there's at least 2 massive rocks.

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One tiny one, he catapults.

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No, no, no, he hurts it above his head.

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I think it may be a rock when he froze it, but it's certainly jabberlite when it ends.

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No, no, he's doing this is heavy acting.

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It's definitely jab-lite.

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I mean, I'll say before we go in, this is iconic for a reason.

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Oh, yeah.

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You know, I'm like fucking gold costume.

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We will get some laughter out of that.

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But I just kept thinking, my God, this is so well shot.

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For 60s television.

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It's amazing.

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Stylish as fuck.

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Yeah.

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I mean, we've said this thing about Star Trek, the original series.

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Half the time you tune in, you kind of go, whoever thought this was fit for broadcast, and then sometimes you get something like this, which is cheesy and ridiculous in all sorts of ways.

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But God, it looks amazing.

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I think it's a time thing, you know.

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I think one and at least half of 2 falls into the 1st bracket there.

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Now, the 2nd bracket, sorry.

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And then three, most are three, and half of two, is where it sort of starts, they start shipping out, you know, and they're not trying as hard.

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I would like to say as well that, Berman, what were you thinking, man, with the music?

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The music in this?

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It's doing so much work.

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It's so great.

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It's, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun.

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You know, loads of drums and bass and it's really kicking the action onwards.

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How do we get from that to that strings wallpaper?

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Yeah, you know, yeah.

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The cliffhanger's due.

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Someone put a note in, you know?

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right.

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That's right.

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It's unbelievable.

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The lessons that they unlearned from the original.

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I mean, they came in with the terrible shitty studio sets, didn't they, in TNG?

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And then, yeah, and then they just decided, no, we don't want that exciting music, you know.

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In fact, season two, we don't even want to go out on location.

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Exactly. just do it once to ride a horse.

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That's it.

224
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It's bizarre, isn't it?

225
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Because it's all there on the screen.

226
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Like, what works?

227
00:14:12.659 --> 00:14:13.440
Yeah, yeah.

228
00:14:13.500 --> 00:14:14.759
Should we see what works?

229
00:14:14.820 --> 00:14:15.899
Yeah, I think we should.

230
00:14:15.960 --> 00:14:16.980
I'm really looking forward.

231
00:14:17.100 --> 00:14:18.600
All right.

232
00:14:18.659 --> 00:14:21.000
It's the last time you have to see the mouse, you know.

233
00:14:21.059 --> 00:14:22.440
Okay.

234
00:14:22.559 --> 00:14:31.919
I will count it in. let's go Wait, five, four, three, two, one, and we're off.

235
00:14:31.980 --> 00:14:35.940
We are off with the Edth prize looking sexy as hell.

236
00:14:36.000 --> 00:14:44.279
Well, this is the remastered version and the original Cester 3 was just that standard red planet with no features on it.

237
00:14:44.340 --> 00:14:46.259
I mean, just already, yeah.

238
00:14:46.320 --> 00:14:47.820
Look at all the lovely colours in the screen.

239
00:14:47.879 --> 00:14:48.419
Yeah, yeah.

240
00:14:48.480 --> 00:14:49.559
Enterprise take note.

241
00:14:49.620 --> 00:14:52.139
This is a very strange beginning because they're talking.

242
00:14:52.200 --> 00:15:02.639
They're looking forward to going down to Cester 3 because they know that the Commodore, Commodore Travers, and he puts on a really good meal and they're excited to go down there.

243
00:15:02.700 --> 00:15:03.960
Is that what?

244
00:15:03.960 --> 00:15:06.299
That is...

245
00:15:06.299 --> 00:15:07.200
That's where the baseball team was.

246
00:15:07.259 --> 00:15:08.460
The pipes is the pioneers.

247
00:15:08.519 --> 00:15:09.000
Not yet.

248
00:15:09.059 --> 00:15:11.519
They were hoping to have a meal and catch the baseball.

249
00:15:11.580 --> 00:15:12.179
Yeah, perhaps.

250
00:15:12.240 --> 00:15:19.980
No, so there's only one colony at this point on Cestus 3, but Cestus 3 does get a lot of mentions in Deep Space 9.

251
00:15:20.039 --> 00:15:23.159
Ron Moore is so hard for Cestus free.

252
00:15:23.220 --> 00:15:23.940
It's untrue.

253
00:15:24.000 --> 00:15:26.399
It's definitely a test, you know.

254
00:15:26.460 --> 00:15:31.019
Of course, I want to speak to Captain Curr, about fighting the corn.

255
00:15:31.379 --> 00:15:34.620
Can I say whoever did the eye makeup for this episode?

256
00:15:35.100 --> 00:15:40.379
Honestly, all of these men are looking very metrosexual and I'm here for it.

257
00:15:40.440 --> 00:15:44.039
So you missed you missed McCoy doing a racism just now.

258
00:15:44.220 --> 00:15:46.200
Where there's so many.

259
00:15:46.919 --> 00:15:48.960
Was it about ears?

260
00:15:49.019 --> 00:15:49.919
Yes, it was.

261
00:15:49.980 --> 00:15:51.720
You bet your pointy ears it was.

262
00:15:53.039 --> 00:15:54.659
All right.

263
00:15:54.720 --> 00:15:57.899
So now we're down on Cestus 3.

264
00:15:58.139 --> 00:15:59.940
It's great.

265
00:16:00.000 --> 00:16:04.500
So, I mean, there's just no way they could have afforded to have done this, is there?

266
00:16:04.559 --> 00:16:09.059
The background has all mattered in because they were actually houses visible from this.

267
00:16:09.120 --> 00:16:09.779
Oh okay.

268
00:16:09.840 --> 00:16:16.080
And originally there was just a bit of tinfoil over that part of the, oh, wonderful.

269
00:16:16.139 --> 00:16:17.340
So I've seen the screenshot.

270
00:16:17.399 --> 00:16:19.559
It is...

271
00:16:19.620 --> 00:16:20.279
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

272
00:16:20.340 --> 00:16:25.740
But I mean, it is still this huge expansive location that they absolutely make the most of.

273
00:16:25.860 --> 00:16:31.559
Well, because it comes in on almost like their feet and then comes up so you can see and then falls back.

274
00:16:31.620 --> 00:16:33.899
So it's like, wow, this is a cenar.

275
00:16:33.960 --> 00:16:48.000
And it's pretty hard to escape the feeling that the, um, big, the shot going into the opening credits of Best of Both Worlds, part one is based on their memory of this Sister 3 thing.

276
00:16:48.059 --> 00:16:49.980
It's obviously more impressive.

277
00:16:50.580 --> 00:16:51.000
Are we?

278
00:16:51.059 --> 00:16:54.960
We're doing it again. after the drama, after the attack.

279
00:16:55.019 --> 00:16:56.100
Let's have gone.

280
00:16:56.159 --> 00:16:57.240
They're too expensive to stream.

281
00:16:57.299 --> 00:16:57.960
Strange new wells.

282
00:16:58.019 --> 00:16:59.039
You could have afforded to do it.

283
00:16:59.100 --> 00:17:00.360
Why did you just show?

284
00:17:00.480 --> 00:17:01.200
Oh, look, here we go.

285
00:17:01.259 --> 00:17:02.759
But this...

286
00:17:02.820 --> 00:17:04.140
No, that's not in the original.

287
00:17:04.140 --> 00:17:05.880
I bet it does look great.

288
00:17:05.940 --> 00:17:09.299
Oh, look, they're hiding behind the big jabber like rock already.

289
00:17:09.359 --> 00:17:10.799
There's lots of them here.

290
00:17:10.859 --> 00:17:13.920
But it's not here that they come back to you for the fight, is it?

291
00:17:13.980 --> 00:17:15.660
Some unnamed asteroids.

292
00:17:15.720 --> 00:17:16.380
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

293
00:17:16.440 --> 00:17:19.380
It looks like... right.

294
00:17:19.440 --> 00:17:19.980
Yeah.

295
00:17:20.039 --> 00:17:20.579
Yeah.

296
00:17:20.640 --> 00:17:22.319
But I mean, look what they've done.

297
00:17:22.380 --> 00:17:23.640
There's like smoke everywhere.

298
00:17:23.700 --> 00:17:25.559
They've kind of scattered debris everywhere.

299
00:17:25.619 --> 00:17:27.119
They've dressed the location.

300
00:17:27.180 --> 00:17:31.680
I mean, need I remind you of some of those studios that's in series 3 that we've seen?

301
00:17:31.740 --> 00:17:33.119
Oh, yeah, yeah, terrible.

302
00:17:33.180 --> 00:17:34.799
But this looks fantastic.

303
00:17:34.859 --> 00:17:37.799
It's an effect with those big rocks up on the plane.

304
00:17:37.799 --> 00:17:39.599
I know, they put big rocks up on that.

305
00:17:39.660 --> 00:17:40.079
That's amazing.

306
00:17:40.140 --> 00:17:41.039
I think that's what they've done.

307
00:17:41.099 --> 00:17:42.779
And look all the wreckage everywhere.

308
00:17:42.839 --> 00:17:43.259
Yeah, yeah.

309
00:17:43.319 --> 00:17:45.960
Yeah, they've gone to a lot of effort. it looks great.

310
00:17:46.019 --> 00:17:47.160
Oh my god.

311
00:17:47.220 --> 00:17:48.240
People dying.

312
00:17:48.299 --> 00:17:49.619
They've been exploded.

313
00:17:49.680 --> 00:17:53.099
So this guy, I don't, is he Trevor?

314
00:17:53.160 --> 00:17:54.299
Like, is he the Commodore?

315
00:17:54.359 --> 00:17:55.980
I don't even know. he given a name?

316
00:17:56.039 --> 00:17:56.700
Oh, no.

317
00:17:56.700 --> 00:18:00.059
They were expecting a barbeque and he's been barbecued.

318
00:18:00.119 --> 00:18:01.019
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

319
00:18:01.079 --> 00:18:02.039
He's horribly burned.

320
00:18:02.099 --> 00:18:03.359
These are hilarious.

321
00:18:03.420 --> 00:18:10.259
There's a moment later where McCoy says right in front of him, oh, you know, he'll be dead in half an hour.

322
00:18:10.319 --> 00:18:11.220
We don't get a thing.

323
00:18:11.220 --> 00:18:12.119
And he doesn't react.

324
00:18:12.180 --> 00:18:12.839
He doesn't say what?

325
00:18:13.200 --> 00:18:14.759
Excuse me.

326
00:18:14.819 --> 00:18:15.539
I feel okay.

327
00:18:15.599 --> 00:18:18.960
You better get that fucking shit here. fast, all right?

328
00:18:19.019 --> 00:18:21.059
Otherwise you're never getting that meal.

329
00:18:21.119 --> 00:18:22.799
No, it's not him.

330
00:18:22.859 --> 00:18:30.720
I said, oh, now this, I do love these extreme close-ops we're getting. you know, we were always like, oh, that bit of war is terrible. pointed that out, didn't I?

331
00:18:30.779 --> 00:18:33.900
It's a perfectly hexagon cut in the door.

332
00:18:33.900 --> 00:18:34.380
That's the door.

333
00:18:34.440 --> 00:18:36.059
That's the door. okay.

334
00:18:36.119 --> 00:18:38.819
So we've got 3 red shirts.

335
00:18:38.880 --> 00:18:41.819
Only one of them is a red shirt and here he is just being killed.

336
00:18:41.880 --> 00:18:43.140
He's just been disintegrated.

337
00:18:43.200 --> 00:18:45.240
Why does nobody refuse to wear red?

338
00:18:45.359 --> 00:18:47.279
Yeah, but the other 2 aren't safe.

339
00:18:47.339 --> 00:18:49.140
One's wearing golden ones wearing blue.

340
00:18:49.920 --> 00:18:52.859
Yeah, I think they're the tactical people or something.

341
00:18:52.920 --> 00:18:55.019
It just leaned on that rock and it moved.

342
00:18:55.079 --> 00:18:56.579
Yeah, same.

343
00:18:56.640 --> 00:19:00.119
Oh, now, we noticed that Sulu was wearing lovely...

344
00:19:00.180 --> 00:19:02.400
He's got lovely eye makeup except in the final scene.

345
00:19:02.460 --> 00:19:04.500
What's the fellow's name on the other con?

346
00:19:04.559 --> 00:19:07.740
Uh, oh, so that's De Paul.

347
00:19:07.799 --> 00:19:09.119
That's his new boyfriend I think.

348
00:19:09.180 --> 00:19:10.680
I think he's got, well, no, not yet.

349
00:19:10.740 --> 00:19:14.039
He's put the eye makeup on...

350
00:19:14.099 --> 00:19:15.119
That in his eyelids.

351
00:19:15.240 --> 00:19:18.180
So then when they're hanging around later, waiting for Kirk to come back.

352
00:19:18.240 --> 00:19:30.599
So I thought that De Paul looked particularly familiar, and so I checked him up and he is in a taste of Armageddon, which is around about this time, but I don't know it very well at all.

353
00:19:30.599 --> 00:19:38.160
But also, he looks really similar to the guy who played Pike.

354
00:19:39.059 --> 00:19:41.400
Oh, in the man, no, in the cage.

355
00:19:41.460 --> 00:19:44.940
Yeah, the guy, and he looks really very, very much like him.

356
00:19:44.940 --> 00:19:54.960
And it turns out, he plays burnt to a crisp pie in your wheelchair in the menagerie and they cast him.

357
00:19:55.019 --> 00:19:59.460
They did that 1st and they said, look, you can have 2 episodes out of the makeup.

358
00:19:59.519 --> 00:20:00.779
That's what?

359
00:20:00.839 --> 00:20:01.440
That's crazy.

360
00:20:01.500 --> 00:20:04.500
But you wait and look at him because he really, really does look like that guy.

361
00:20:04.559 --> 00:20:05.400
Oh, take it.

362
00:20:05.460 --> 00:20:08.700
At the moment, I'm impressed by these amazing pyrotechnics.

363
00:20:08.759 --> 00:20:09.180
I know.

364
00:20:09.180 --> 00:20:11.519
As enormous mushrooms for flavour.

365
00:20:11.579 --> 00:20:12.960
I know, it's wonderful, isn't it?

366
00:20:13.019 --> 00:20:13.859
It's so exciting.

367
00:20:13.920 --> 00:20:19.319
I did see a slight look of panic on Leonard's face there for a 2nd.

368
00:20:19.920 --> 00:20:23.279
But its Vulcan resolve was broken a little bit.

369
00:20:23.339 --> 00:20:27.180
Just you wait because Shatner's about to do a big hit of somersault.

370
00:20:27.240 --> 00:20:30.720
An incredible stunt. clearly him because you can see his face.

371
00:20:30.779 --> 00:20:39.000
I think it is him There are latest scenes where I think I can detect the stunt double, but I thought that that was just kind of Shatner fucking going for it.

372
00:20:39.119 --> 00:20:41.579
I love this when I cut to that stock shop.

373
00:20:43.019 --> 00:20:44.940
Over there in the rock somewhere, you know?

374
00:20:44.940 --> 00:20:45.660
get that twice.

375
00:20:45.720 --> 00:20:48.000
Spock, that is a lovely shade of ice.

376
00:20:48.059 --> 00:20:50.460
Well, he often wears eye shadows. matches his top.

377
00:20:50.519 --> 00:20:51.539
Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.

378
00:20:52.140 --> 00:20:53.880
Yeah, here we go.

379
00:20:53.940 --> 00:20:55.740
Watch, watch closely.

380
00:20:55.799 --> 00:20:56.940
That's still here.

381
00:20:56.940 --> 00:20:58.319
That's definitely Shatner.

382
00:20:58.380 --> 00:20:59.460
That might not.

383
00:20:59.579 --> 00:21:00.059
No, it is.

384
00:21:00.119 --> 00:21:01.019
That's definitely him.

385
00:21:01.079 --> 00:21:02.220
That's definitely.

386
00:21:02.339 --> 00:21:04.319
And literally, there's rocks blowing all about it.

387
00:21:04.619 --> 00:21:07.920
This might be the 1st case of blowing rocks, you know.

388
00:21:07.980 --> 00:21:10.559
Yeah, this might be where it gets his tin of the strong.

389
00:21:10.619 --> 00:21:12.059
He seems to be behind a sofa now.

390
00:21:12.119 --> 00:21:13.740
You know, it's like...

391
00:21:13.740 --> 00:21:14.819
It does look like I said.

392
00:21:14.880 --> 00:21:17.339
A bad old settee, though. look at look at him.

393
00:21:17.400 --> 00:21:17.759
Look at him.

394
00:21:17.819 --> 00:21:22.079
Don't you think he looks like he looks like the guy who plays?

395
00:21:22.140 --> 00:21:23.039
Oh my god.

396
00:21:23.099 --> 00:21:23.640
Yeah.

397
00:21:23.700 --> 00:21:24.900
Oh, the blue eyes and everything.

398
00:21:24.960 --> 00:21:27.359
Oh, wonder, Sulu's dressing up.

399
00:21:28.140 --> 00:21:32.039
Do you think this is the guy he has the kid with?

400
00:21:32.039 --> 00:21:32.759
No, I don't know.

401
00:21:33.299 --> 00:21:36.960
I think he's not Starfleet, actually, his husband did.

402
00:21:37.019 --> 00:21:39.359
Not entirenished or he's gay at this point either.

403
00:21:39.420 --> 00:21:40.920
He doesn't think he was.

404
00:21:41.099 --> 00:21:43.200
George, come on now.

405
00:21:43.259 --> 00:21:45.299
I know, I know, but he was the 16.

406
00:21:45.539 --> 00:21:49.200
I know, but he also wants to think he can also play straight people, I think, probably.

407
00:21:49.259 --> 00:21:50.700
You know, it was the 60s.

408
00:21:50.759 --> 00:21:52.859
Everything was game.

409
00:21:53.160 --> 00:21:54.539
Okay.

410
00:21:54.599 --> 00:21:57.539
Now that is definitely the stunt double.

411
00:21:57.599 --> 00:21:59.640
Back to Shatner. right.

412
00:21:59.700 --> 00:22:01.619
Look at the I make up.

413
00:22:01.680 --> 00:22:02.640
Oh boy.

414
00:22:02.700 --> 00:22:04.619
I think he's looking pretty fine.

415
00:22:04.740 --> 00:22:05.279
Yeah, wasn't it?

416
00:22:05.279 --> 00:22:05.460
Yeah.

417
00:22:05.519 --> 00:22:06.599
Oh, he's a very pretty man.

418
00:22:06.660 --> 00:22:08.700
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

419
00:22:08.759 --> 00:22:11.099
I'm not sure he's the world's finest actor.

420
00:22:11.160 --> 00:22:19.380
Later on when he's older and they ask him to come back and do better as bits and bob seeds, a little mannered. shall we?

421
00:22:19.440 --> 00:22:20.099
Yes, yeah, yeah.

422
00:22:20.160 --> 00:22:24.119
That way episode where, you know, the Voyager one where they're bringing in, what's her name?

423
00:22:24.180 --> 00:22:25.200
Grace Whitney.

424
00:22:25.259 --> 00:22:26.160
Oh my god.

425
00:22:26.220 --> 00:22:29.279
Well, she makes him look like an Oscar with him.

426
00:22:29.339 --> 00:22:29.819
She does.

427
00:22:29.819 --> 00:22:32.640
A triple Oscar.

428
00:22:33.359 --> 00:22:39.240
You know, the stump troubles, they do all the work and then he just comes into shot as if he's the hero.

429
00:22:39.299 --> 00:22:40.019
Yeah, that's right.

430
00:22:40.079 --> 00:22:40.559
Look at me.

431
00:22:40.619 --> 00:22:41.819
Did you see me do that big role?

432
00:22:42.000 --> 00:22:44.460
Oh look at the state of his face.

433
00:22:44.519 --> 00:22:48.720
It's much worse, I think, when they get him back on board the Enterprise.

434
00:22:48.779 --> 00:22:55.259
Not as bad as the faces of that man who have melted in the other corn episode we watched last time. right.

435
00:22:55.380 --> 00:22:59.579
I mean, that's all Strange New World innovations, right?

436
00:22:59.640 --> 00:23:01.079
Turning people into food.

437
00:23:01.140 --> 00:23:01.799
Yeah, all of that.

438
00:23:01.859 --> 00:23:03.119
This is the only go on episode.

439
00:23:05.700 --> 00:23:07.319
Two explosions.

440
00:23:07.319 --> 00:23:09.420
All moment off, and clearly...

441
00:23:09.420 --> 00:23:11.220
He's just falling over for no reason now.

442
00:23:11.279 --> 00:23:13.980
There's no things just like, oh, shit, I should have fallen over.

443
00:23:14.039 --> 00:23:20.940
Unfortunately, he was literally covered in soot. as he was falling into that and now his uniform is perfect.

444
00:23:21.000 --> 00:23:23.940
Oh, and now let's try.

445
00:23:24.000 --> 00:23:25.380
I don't need that anymore. not working.

446
00:23:25.440 --> 00:23:25.859
No.

447
00:23:25.859 --> 00:23:26.700
Close it up.

448
00:23:26.759 --> 00:23:28.500
It's not blowing it up.

449
00:23:28.559 --> 00:23:31.740
You've got this fucking massive cannon with these blue bombs.

450
00:23:31.799 --> 00:23:33.299
It's billiards.

451
00:23:33.359 --> 00:23:35.400
Give me a hand with this grenade launcher.

452
00:23:35.460 --> 00:23:38.160
I mean, we wouldn't be doing this in latter Star Trek, would we?

453
00:23:38.220 --> 00:23:39.180
Grenade launches.

454
00:23:39.240 --> 00:23:47.099
But I think it's just that, you know, they want to do they want to do explosions in this scene. standard issue, Starfleet equipment.

455
00:23:47.160 --> 00:23:48.599
Well, I think it was lying around.

456
00:23:48.660 --> 00:23:50.700
I don't think any of them brought them.

457
00:23:50.759 --> 00:23:51.839
Oh, I thought that was so.

458
00:23:51.900 --> 00:23:53.400
Oh, okay, okay.

459
00:23:53.519 --> 00:23:56.039
An evaluation, Mr. Keller, before you die.

460
00:23:56.099 --> 00:23:58.319
So, wait, do we see a Kellowitz die?

461
00:23:58.380 --> 00:23:58.859
I can't remember.

462
00:23:58.920 --> 00:24:00.660
We don't get that special effect. game.

463
00:24:00.720 --> 00:24:02.220
They'll stock shot the rocks again.

464
00:24:02.279 --> 00:24:02.880
Yeah, yeah.

465
00:24:02.880 --> 00:24:04.440
Again, some money out.

466
00:24:04.500 --> 00:24:08.160
I don't actually remember if he actually sets off any of these blue bombs, does he?

467
00:24:08.220 --> 00:24:08.940
Yeah, he does.

468
00:24:10.380 --> 00:24:10.680
Yeah.

469
00:24:13.259 --> 00:24:15.779
Huge marbles. don't they?

470
00:24:15.839 --> 00:24:18.059
Ready, steady, everyone, get your heads down.

471
00:24:18.180 --> 00:24:19.980
Boom.

472
00:24:20.099 --> 00:24:23.339
Oh, excellent.

473
00:24:23.400 --> 00:24:27.000
I love them throwing pebbles at them and stuff.

474
00:24:27.059 --> 00:24:29.039
You're just getting reactions from us now.

475
00:24:29.099 --> 00:24:29.880
Kellowitz dead.

476
00:24:29.940 --> 00:24:31.859
No, he's still he's still with us.

477
00:24:31.920 --> 00:24:34.259
I mean, I still like them, just going.

478
00:24:34.319 --> 00:24:35.220
Gung-ho action.

479
00:24:35.279 --> 00:24:36.240
Oh, yeah, yeah.

480
00:24:36.299 --> 00:24:43.019
Like, this really, like, it's what you often complain about, you know, television just show us some exciting things.

481
00:24:43.079 --> 00:24:43.799
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

482
00:24:44.099 --> 00:24:50.640
So so the thing, the weird thing is that this really has nothing to do with anything, does it?

483
00:24:50.700 --> 00:24:54.420
No, no, no, but it sort of started us off on a dynamic footing.

484
00:24:54.480 --> 00:25:02.460
I think that it, like, I think that the destruction of the Cesar Street outpost would have been enough to motivate.

485
00:25:02.460 --> 00:25:03.000
Oh, for sure.

486
00:25:03.059 --> 00:25:04.259
I wouldn't lose it, no?

487
00:25:04.319 --> 00:25:06.599
No, no, but this was really fun.

488
00:25:06.660 --> 00:25:08.880
I mean, that was really properly...

489
00:25:08.940 --> 00:25:21.420
I mean, otherwise, it's 10 minutes on extra on the ship, where we go, where we're standing around talking, how we're going to find Gotham, you know, do you remember that interminable court case scene with the computer in the Scottie murder episode?

490
00:25:21.480 --> 00:25:22.740
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

491
00:25:22.799 --> 00:25:24.960
About the evil...

492
00:25:25.019 --> 00:25:26.759
I'd rather buy a load of bombs going off than that.

493
00:25:26.819 --> 00:25:28.500
Oh no, that was super...

494
00:25:28.559 --> 00:25:31.500
I mean, this is part of why it's so memorable in that scene in particular.

495
00:25:31.559 --> 00:25:37.980
Even those beds in McCoy's sick bay look more comfortable than the ones in Dick's Bay.

496
00:25:38.039 --> 00:25:40.500
Yeah, but they've got like sequins on them.

497
00:25:40.559 --> 00:25:44.460
I just don't think that's very comfortable. sleep in a bed on DS9, you know?

498
00:25:44.819 --> 00:25:49.619
Again, you know, this is early Shatner, so he's really underplaying it as well.

499
00:25:49.680 --> 00:25:50.579
I really like it.

500
00:25:50.640 --> 00:25:51.779
So invested, isn't it?

501
00:25:51.900 --> 00:25:56.579
In fact, he's letting this asshole just kind of, you know, chew the scenery.

502
00:25:56.640 --> 00:26:06.299
Not only if this was in like season three, not only I don't think would we have the great location work, I think they would try and pull it off in a studio because they didn't have as much money.

503
00:26:06.359 --> 00:26:09.599
But Shatner would be mugging all the way through it.

504
00:26:09.660 --> 00:26:17.880
But he's really underplaying it in this scene, I think. it's really good Well, I don't know if Trek wasn't like a massive hit, was it?

505
00:26:17.940 --> 00:26:19.259
Like an immediate hit.

506
00:26:19.319 --> 00:26:19.980
I don't know.

507
00:26:20.039 --> 00:26:21.779
I don't think it was.

508
00:26:21.839 --> 00:26:25.200
Well, I mean, because they cancelled it and then they realised they had a hit.

509
00:26:25.259 --> 00:26:30.299
I don't think anyone ever really, like the execs ever really took it that seriously.

510
00:26:30.420 --> 00:26:31.859
I don't know.

511
00:26:31.920 --> 00:26:36.299
Is it the thing where they discovered that it's like a particularly attractive demographic watching it?

512
00:26:36.359 --> 00:26:37.140
Is that the thing?

513
00:26:37.200 --> 00:26:39.720
Like even though sheer numbers aren't great.

514
00:26:39.779 --> 00:26:43.859
It's like people with disposable income who are going to buy plastic crap are watching.

515
00:26:43.920 --> 00:26:49.019
Maybe they just actually sat down and watched it eventually and went, this 1st series is good.

516
00:26:49.079 --> 00:26:49.680
Maybe.

517
00:26:49.740 --> 00:26:51.299
I mean, this is great.

518
00:26:51.359 --> 00:26:53.279
And he's really great.

519
00:26:53.339 --> 00:26:56.220
And that weird card, like suddenly we're in the next scene.

520
00:26:56.279 --> 00:26:57.059
Do you know what I mean?

521
00:26:57.119 --> 00:27:04.559
It's one of the, it's sort of a modern thing where he's saying something which sounds like it's a response to the guy in the bed, but it is these guys having a conversation.

522
00:27:04.619 --> 00:27:15.180
But what's happening here is you have Shatner declaring that we've got to go as the policeman of this area of federation space.

523
00:27:15.240 --> 00:27:16.799
We were so baffled.

524
00:27:16.859 --> 00:27:17.279
I know.

525
00:27:17.339 --> 00:27:24.000
We have to go and kill all of the people in that other ship, but spot pushes back against it.

526
00:27:24.059 --> 00:27:26.519
And Spock is right.

527
00:27:26.579 --> 00:27:29.700
We're supposed to be embracing all other life forms.

528
00:27:30.240 --> 00:27:30.720
We in the future.

529
00:27:30.779 --> 00:27:38.579
He says, what about respect for sentient life forms and Shatner, and I think it's actually on the bridge, isn't it?

530
00:27:38.640 --> 00:27:41.700
Shatner says Shatner.

531
00:27:41.759 --> 00:27:44.940
Kirk says, it's not time for that now.

532
00:27:45.000 --> 00:27:46.799
We don't have time for the talk.

533
00:27:46.859 --> 00:27:48.599
We don't have time for Star Trek, all right?

534
00:27:48.660 --> 00:27:50.039
We got some aliens to murder.

535
00:27:50.099 --> 00:27:53.519
And I think then we get an Ahura reaction to that as well.

536
00:27:53.640 --> 00:27:55.380
A shaktahura reaction too.

537
00:27:55.440 --> 00:27:58.440
We get a couple of shock to who are a reaction.

538
00:27:58.500 --> 00:27:59.460
Yeah, we get some pretty terrible.

539
00:28:01.079 --> 00:28:01.920
I'll do the impression.

540
00:28:01.920 --> 00:28:02.700
Yeah, yeah.

541
00:28:03.119 --> 00:28:11.700
But, but, and then, we're going into butts, but notice that we're looking at Spock's face and Nemoy's looking disappointed.

542
00:28:11.759 --> 00:28:16.799
Like he's, you know, and...

543
00:28:16.799 --> 00:28:21.180
And he's gone all crazy in Captain Ahab as well, like I said.

544
00:28:21.240 --> 00:28:22.740
I mean, occasionally we do.

545
00:28:22.799 --> 00:28:24.299
Do you remember Janeway in Equinox?

546
00:28:24.359 --> 00:28:26.099
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Cisco with Eddington.

547
00:28:26.160 --> 00:28:30.539
But, I mean, both of those were the characters clearly acting out.

548
00:28:30.599 --> 00:28:33.539
Even O'Hura gave him a sassy look there.

549
00:28:33.599 --> 00:28:34.799
Are we really going to do this?

550
00:28:34.859 --> 00:28:35.400
Yeah.

551
00:28:35.400 --> 00:28:35.940
Yeah.

552
00:28:36.720 --> 00:28:39.000
There's a great scene now.

553
00:28:39.359 --> 00:28:42.779
Where they're pursued, aren't they?

554
00:28:42.839 --> 00:28:47.339
And it plays out exactly like you get in Q Hu when they 1st meet the Borg.

555
00:28:47.400 --> 00:28:49.500
They match them speed for speed.

556
00:28:49.559 --> 00:28:56.819
Yeah, and then they start getting, and then they just stop and wait for them to catch up. and I'm like, fuck me, they rip this scene completely.

557
00:28:56.880 --> 00:28:57.900
Morris Hurley.

558
00:28:57.960 --> 00:28:58.500
Yes.

559
00:28:58.500 --> 00:28:59.700
You plagiarist.

560
00:28:59.759 --> 00:29:01.980
But it's the Metrons, of course, who stop them.

561
00:29:02.039 --> 00:29:04.200
And that's the other difference, I think.

562
00:29:05.220 --> 00:29:05.579
I know.

563
00:29:05.640 --> 00:29:08.400
So, so we may as well talk about it.

564
00:29:08.460 --> 00:29:25.380
There is a figure in both Christianity, I think, in Judaism called Metatron, and we don't. know where that name comes from, but it's an angel that is in charge of judging things.

565
00:29:25.500 --> 00:29:28.559
And they are calling the Metrones.

566
00:29:28.619 --> 00:29:29.940
Like the Metron voice.

567
00:29:30.000 --> 00:29:37.859
The guy who plays the voice calls of Metrons, but the spot calls of Metrons, and I think so does, um, so does, uh, Kirk.

568
00:29:37.920 --> 00:29:48.539
And that's from a Greek verb that's related to our word metre, which means measure, but it can mean to kind of mete out payment or reward.

569
00:29:48.599 --> 00:29:54.240
So the idea is, and the Metron form sounds like the present participle of that.

570
00:29:54.299 --> 00:29:57.839
And so, so what are they supposed to be meeting out?

571
00:29:57.900 --> 00:30:00.539
They're judging human behaviour.

572
00:30:01.079 --> 00:30:02.700
They're measuring human behaviour.

573
00:30:02.759 --> 00:30:04.859
Who wrote Encounter a Farpoint?

574
00:30:05.519 --> 00:30:06.960
You owe Gene Coon some money.

575
00:30:07.019 --> 00:30:10.740
I know, but I mean, you know, like, like, that is every other team.

576
00:30:10.740 --> 00:30:12.000
Yeah, that's right.

577
00:30:12.059 --> 00:30:15.180
See, also Day of the Dove, you know, like, well...

578
00:30:15.240 --> 00:30:16.680
TAS episode rewatched.

579
00:30:16.740 --> 00:30:18.299
That was on godlike beings, wasn't it?

580
00:30:18.359 --> 00:30:19.559
That was the devil.

581
00:30:19.619 --> 00:30:21.000
Oh, he was great.

582
00:30:21.059 --> 00:30:21.960
Great guy.

583
00:30:22.740 --> 00:30:29.220
Yeah, this, I merely suggest that a regard for sentient life. and Kirk just says there's no time for that.

584
00:30:29.279 --> 00:30:34.559
And then she looks at him. looks at him and then he gives her side eye as well.

585
00:30:34.619 --> 00:30:36.059
Is there enough pushback then?

586
00:30:36.119 --> 00:30:38.460
Well, also that that's good.

587
00:30:38.460 --> 00:30:40.500
Because the episode then decides, no, this is fine.

588
00:30:40.559 --> 00:30:45.599
We can have done. at the end, yeah, but no one really challenges...

589
00:30:45.599 --> 00:30:46.619
Kirk after this.

590
00:30:46.680 --> 00:30:48.420
No, but you can see him.

591
00:30:48.480 --> 00:30:50.279
He's almost doing dumb insolence there.

592
00:30:50.339 --> 00:30:53.339
He's saying very well, captain, you know, like he's just refusing...

593
00:30:53.339 --> 00:30:54.119
Which is Rick?

594
00:30:54.119 --> 00:30:54.539
Kirk.

595
00:30:54.599 --> 00:30:56.279
I'm delighted, Mr. Small.

596
00:30:56.339 --> 00:30:57.480
Yeah, excuse me.

597
00:30:57.539 --> 00:30:59.099
Sassy bitch.

598
00:30:59.160 --> 00:31:02.160
So this is not where we land and this isn't what we would get.

599
00:31:02.220 --> 00:31:03.660
Scotty for a look.

600
00:31:03.779 --> 00:31:05.339
I said, everyone's sort of unsure.

601
00:31:05.400 --> 00:31:07.380
Are we really going to do this?

602
00:31:07.440 --> 00:31:10.380
But of course, you know, like we we land on.

603
00:31:10.440 --> 00:31:11.279
This is great.

604
00:31:11.339 --> 00:31:12.660
Warp factory.

605
00:31:12.720 --> 00:31:13.200
Oh my god.

606
00:31:14.700 --> 00:31:18.720
And everyone's like, oh, that's great.

607
00:31:18.779 --> 00:31:21.000
Although George is doing his job.

608
00:31:21.299 --> 00:31:24.720
Just you wait guys until threshold, all right?

609
00:31:24.779 --> 00:31:26.220
That's right.

610
00:31:26.279 --> 00:31:27.839
Thank God we're not going at warp down.

611
00:31:27.900 --> 00:31:30.539
I mean, God, it'll be fucking salamand.

612
00:31:30.539 --> 00:31:31.559
They're on the bridge.

613
00:31:31.619 --> 00:31:32.519
Salamand.

614
00:31:32.579 --> 00:31:34.019
I'm very middle class.

615
00:31:35.400 --> 00:31:39.000
Oh, the stars look much better in the new version, don't they?

616
00:31:39.059 --> 00:31:49.319
Well, in fact, as they go to warp, you look at the look at what we see in the viewscreen, because we're going super fast, look at that smoky eye that look he's giving.

617
00:31:49.559 --> 00:31:50.339
Oh, his curve.

618
00:31:50.400 --> 00:31:52.740
He's batting his eyelids occur.

619
00:31:52.799 --> 00:31:54.660
Always go for them out at the top.

620
00:31:54.720 --> 00:31:55.259
Yeah.

621
00:31:55.319 --> 00:31:56.640
I mean, what is Scotty?

622
00:31:56.700 --> 00:31:58.079
He just standing there in the city.

623
00:31:58.140 --> 00:31:58.980
Go down to engineering.

624
00:31:59.039 --> 00:32:03.119
Like Ahura's not even getting a shot, so don't worry about it.

625
00:32:03.180 --> 00:32:05.640
Some fabulous blunder, the console.

626
00:32:05.880 --> 00:32:07.319
Yeah, sort of behind another woman.

627
00:32:07.380 --> 00:32:09.180
I think it may be Helen Shapiro.

628
00:32:09.539 --> 00:32:11.700
She was around in the scene.

629
00:32:11.759 --> 00:32:12.779
None of our Americans.

630
00:32:12.900 --> 00:32:14.700
I just say you are so gorgeous.

631
00:32:14.759 --> 00:32:16.920
Oh my words, you are gorgeous.

632
00:32:16.980 --> 00:32:20.819
I mean, I said to you, I can absolutely believe that Senior Gooding.

633
00:32:20.940 --> 00:32:21.539
Oh yeah.

634
00:32:21.660 --> 00:32:23.940
Celia Gooding and Nichelle.

635
00:32:24.000 --> 00:32:25.380
I mean they're as pretty as each other.

636
00:32:25.440 --> 00:32:30.839
Yes, unfortunately, Celia gets more to do, more nuanced characterisation.

637
00:32:30.900 --> 00:32:32.819
She's funnier, more agency.

638
00:32:32.880 --> 00:32:35.099
And equal.

639
00:32:35.160 --> 00:32:36.720
I think we're probably equal when it comes to singing.

640
00:32:36.779 --> 00:32:37.440
It's hard to tell.

641
00:32:37.500 --> 00:32:37.980
That's right.

642
00:32:38.039 --> 00:32:42.359
Well, I know both sort of have her cone head occasionally because sometimes Ahura's hair is massive.

643
00:32:42.420 --> 00:32:43.140
That's true.

644
00:32:43.200 --> 00:32:44.279
It was the 60s.

645
00:32:44.339 --> 00:32:44.819
Yeah.

646
00:32:44.880 --> 00:32:50.400
So they're being no hostilities, sir. were we being scanned?

647
00:32:50.460 --> 00:32:52.079
So this is the metrons, I think.

648
00:32:52.200 --> 00:32:59.700
So terrarium obviously, you know, introduces that wormhole, which is clearly caused by the Metron.

649
00:32:59.759 --> 00:33:06.059
So the matrons, even though they're not revealed until the very end, like here, they're more involved in the sort of setup.

650
00:33:06.119 --> 00:33:08.460
Here we just encroach on their space.

651
00:33:08.519 --> 00:33:11.700
And so it's when we get to this point that the metrons appear.

652
00:33:11.759 --> 00:33:15.119
We still not quite halfway into the episode.

653
00:33:15.180 --> 00:33:21.119
I think, I think the ad break where Kirk 1st confronts the Gorn is about halfway.

654
00:33:21.180 --> 00:33:25.680
I do think the structure, the 10 minutes of the bombs on the planet and the colony and all of that.

655
00:33:25.740 --> 00:33:30.779
Really great shape. then 10 minutes on the ship and then you get sort of half an hour on the planet.

656
00:33:30.839 --> 00:33:32.099
Yeah, yeah, on the asteroids?

657
00:33:32.160 --> 00:33:37.680
yeah yeah And the 10 minutes on the ship is all character stuff about how mad Kirk is, you know.

658
00:33:37.740 --> 00:33:39.779
What kind of apple?

659
00:33:39.779 --> 00:33:41.400
Just how to calm down.

660
00:33:42.059 --> 00:33:45.779
You're not the police, you know, we've had this conversation already.

661
00:33:45.839 --> 00:33:47.579
Yeah, we keep telling you.

662
00:33:47.640 --> 00:33:50.220
Maybe a sort of facile question, but I do want to ask it.

663
00:33:50.339 --> 00:33:53.400
How do you imagine Ahura keeps that thing affixed in her ear?

664
00:33:53.460 --> 00:33:55.140
Oh, super glue.

665
00:33:55.740 --> 00:33:57.660
It never comes out.

666
00:33:57.720 --> 00:33:58.740
Oh, God.

667
00:33:58.740 --> 00:34:00.599
Well, Fox sometimes has it as well.

668
00:34:00.660 --> 00:34:02.339
Yeah, it's massive though.

669
00:34:02.339 --> 00:34:04.079
It's jammed right in a fucking elo.

670
00:34:04.140 --> 00:34:05.460
Yeah, bless her.

671
00:34:05.519 --> 00:34:07.500
Oh, okay.

672
00:34:07.559 --> 00:34:10.800
See, the blonde woman, the blonde woman did some great kind of thing.

673
00:34:10.920 --> 00:34:12.780
Yes, Scott is just sort of hanging off the rail.

674
00:34:12.840 --> 00:34:15.179
They're doing great deceleration acting.

675
00:34:15.239 --> 00:34:17.280
Oh, there's Michelle having a bit of a go.

676
00:34:17.340 --> 00:34:20.280
She doesn't get many loins in this, so she has to do a lot with reactions.

677
00:34:20.400 --> 00:34:21.179
Oh my god.

678
00:34:21.239 --> 00:34:24.059
I may ask you, when Captain Kirk is beeped out in a second.

679
00:34:24.119 --> 00:34:26.579
Her almighty scream.

680
00:34:26.639 --> 00:34:28.619
It's so weird, isn't it?

681
00:34:28.679 --> 00:34:29.159
That's right.

682
00:34:29.219 --> 00:34:30.360
He's just literally beamed out.

683
00:34:30.420 --> 00:34:32.699
She does it all the time.

684
00:34:32.760 --> 00:34:33.840
All the time.

685
00:34:34.380 --> 00:34:35.639
Every time it happens, we just cut away.

686
00:34:35.699 --> 00:34:38.760
And she's like, oh, see her go, oh, someone beamed.

687
00:34:38.820 --> 00:34:40.619
Oh, she could be like Dr. Pulaski.

688
00:34:40.679 --> 00:34:41.820
She got a phobia of beaming.

689
00:34:41.880 --> 00:34:42.480
Ah, you know?

690
00:34:42.539 --> 00:34:43.199
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

691
00:34:43.800 --> 00:34:47.460
It was just, it made all 3 of us laugh.

692
00:34:48.480 --> 00:34:50.099
So funny.

693
00:34:50.159 --> 00:34:52.559
She gets 2 great reactions, actually.

694
00:34:52.619 --> 00:34:56.039
I mean, she's still sort of fabbing herself when we go back to her.

695
00:34:56.039 --> 00:34:57.300
She hasn't quite recovered.

696
00:34:57.360 --> 00:34:58.860
But I think that's it.

697
00:34:58.920 --> 00:35:03.119
It's like, I am going to be noticed no matter how few lines they give me.

698
00:35:03.179 --> 00:35:05.579
She's a Sigourney weaver.

699
00:35:05.820 --> 00:35:10.500
She is, that's what she's basic.

700
00:35:10.500 --> 00:35:12.480
You're going to remember it.

701
00:35:12.539 --> 00:35:14.820
We'll never forget it, Michelle.

702
00:35:14.880 --> 00:35:15.239
Never.

703
00:35:15.300 --> 00:35:17.699
Oh, will never forget the show.

704
00:35:18.059 --> 00:35:21.840
Jesus, remember on top of that rice doing her naked dancing?

705
00:35:21.960 --> 00:35:22.619
Ah, yeah.

706
00:35:22.619 --> 00:35:23.579
Good for her.

707
00:35:24.300 --> 00:35:26.099
That's crazy.

708
00:35:26.400 --> 00:35:29.039
Oh, now what's going on here?

709
00:35:29.159 --> 00:35:31.440
So we have been stopped.

710
00:35:31.500 --> 00:35:35.940
We are now facing the gone ship was, which was not visible originally.

711
00:35:36.000 --> 00:35:37.800
It's just been put there for the special edition.

712
00:35:37.860 --> 00:35:39.179
Ah, okay.

713
00:35:39.179 --> 00:35:41.219
Does it match up with the gold ship?

714
00:35:41.219 --> 00:35:42.900
Oh, shit.

715
00:35:42.900 --> 00:35:43.380
No way.

716
00:35:43.440 --> 00:35:45.539
No mist around it or anything.

717
00:35:45.599 --> 00:35:48.539
And so here's the Metrons addressing us.

718
00:35:48.599 --> 00:35:51.420
That's right, this fabulous sort of colour TV static.

719
00:35:51.480 --> 00:35:52.920
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

720
00:35:52.980 --> 00:35:55.500
Oh, it's a bit weird, you know?

721
00:35:55.559 --> 00:35:56.760
It's a bit odd.

722
00:35:56.820 --> 00:36:00.900
Remember when we were in Spectrum at a gun going through that weird sort of void at the start?

723
00:36:00.960 --> 00:36:02.039
It was a bit like that.

724
00:36:02.099 --> 00:36:02.639
Yeah, yeah.

725
00:36:02.699 --> 00:36:03.780
I love all that stuff.

726
00:36:03.840 --> 00:36:05.940
That's one of the things that we want from Star Trek.

727
00:36:06.000 --> 00:36:07.619
So this voice.

728
00:36:07.679 --> 00:36:18.539
Now, I think this guy, I think it's called Vic Perrin, and he is also the voice of Nomad.

729
00:36:18.599 --> 00:36:21.480
Oh, Captain Carr.

730
00:36:21.539 --> 00:36:22.199
I know.

731
00:36:22.199 --> 00:36:25.320
I'm just going to Hover over here.

732
00:36:25.380 --> 00:36:27.059
Somebody cut my string.

733
00:36:27.119 --> 00:36:39.179
I think, and again, he's not credited, and I couldn't make it out from memory alpha, but I think he also sort of ADR's, the Metron that we'd see at the end.

734
00:36:39.239 --> 00:36:44.519
Unbelievably weird effect because it's, you assure me, it's an actress.

735
00:36:44.579 --> 00:36:50.280
Yeah, but she is playing a man. with a man's voice dubbed over it.

736
00:36:50.340 --> 00:36:54.900
Which is why the Metron, I think, at the end of terrarium is all sort of fabulous.

737
00:36:54.900 --> 00:36:57.420
I was punching the air when I saw it.

738
00:36:57.480 --> 00:37:01.380
It's just when I saw that similarly sort of bling dress.

739
00:37:01.440 --> 00:37:03.059
I was like, it's the metro.

740
00:37:03.119 --> 00:37:04.619
Yeah, it was great.

741
00:37:04.679 --> 00:37:10.260
But again, you know, there was a queerness to them in the way that there is to the Metron that we're going to see at the end of this episode.

742
00:37:10.320 --> 00:37:17.400
Well, I liked as well is, was that they, you know, usually strangely well, so the dialogue's far more polished than in TOS, of course it is.

743
00:37:17.460 --> 00:37:18.840
It's 50 years later.

744
00:37:18.900 --> 00:37:22.860
But for the Metrons, they had their similar, you know, you and the gore.

745
00:37:23.280 --> 00:37:24.719
Yes.

746
00:37:24.719 --> 00:37:27.239
Okay, Kurt really loves this stuff.

747
00:37:27.300 --> 00:37:28.800
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

748
00:37:28.860 --> 00:37:32.519
Wait, so what I said last time, you know, every generation deserves.

749
00:37:32.579 --> 00:37:33.119
Here we go.

750
00:37:33.179 --> 00:37:33.840
Here we go.

751
00:37:33.900 --> 00:37:34.320
Here we go.

752
00:37:34.380 --> 00:37:35.219
Here, go, watch it, watch it.

753
00:37:35.280 --> 00:37:35.940
It goes boop.

754
00:37:36.000 --> 00:37:38.219
And then she leaves...

755
00:37:38.219 --> 00:37:39.360
Put the hat to your face.

756
00:37:40.019 --> 00:37:42.000
Go on, girl.

757
00:37:42.059 --> 00:37:43.800
And then, did you know?

758
00:37:43.860 --> 00:37:47.639
Yeah, Spock just pushes past. and pulls her hands away. will you stop that?

759
00:37:47.699 --> 00:37:49.139
All right, here's the gone.

760
00:37:49.199 --> 00:37:50.159
Oh, fuck.

761
00:37:50.280 --> 00:37:52.739
It's so great Wait, watch it blink.

762
00:37:52.800 --> 00:37:53.400
There we go.

763
00:37:53.699 --> 00:37:57.780
Yeah, we had a bit of a disagreement about the gone body.

764
00:37:57.780 --> 00:38:00.179
Because, you know, I think it looks quite tempting.

765
00:38:00.239 --> 00:38:07.019
Well, look, if it had been a big muscular guy painted green with a big rubber lizard head on, I'd have been...

766
00:38:07.079 --> 00:38:12.659
Excuse me, at least I'm getting hot and bothered about a man with muscles.

767
00:38:12.719 --> 00:38:14.099
You was doing it with the ball queen.

768
00:38:14.159 --> 00:38:17.039
Oh, I actually was covered in KY jelly.

769
00:38:17.099 --> 00:38:18.960
Oh, now look at this.

770
00:38:19.019 --> 00:38:20.039
A proper Western shot.

771
00:38:20.099 --> 00:38:24.539
Up the side, in a sort of desert, standing a distance away from each other.

772
00:38:24.599 --> 00:38:28.199
And as you said, this is a location where they used to shoot Westerns.

773
00:38:28.260 --> 00:38:30.599
They've really given their muscly cars.

774
00:38:30.659 --> 00:38:31.920
Oh, he's some massive carbs.

775
00:38:31.980 --> 00:38:32.699
Yeah, yeah, split.

776
00:38:32.760 --> 00:38:33.239
They're split.

777
00:38:33.300 --> 00:38:33.780
They look great.

778
00:38:33.840 --> 00:38:34.440
Oh, man.

779
00:38:34.440 --> 00:38:37.980
Alpa, he runs around the deck of his shit quite a lot, that corn, you know.

780
00:38:38.039 --> 00:38:40.320
So he's grabbing the biggest stick he can find.

781
00:38:40.380 --> 00:38:43.980
And then Shatner gets a really shitty tiny stick.

782
00:38:44.219 --> 00:38:47.340
And then does he decide to grab the rock and see?

783
00:38:47.400 --> 00:38:47.880
No, no.

784
00:38:47.940 --> 00:38:51.480
When he sees the Gord approaching with the massive fuck off stick.

785
00:38:51.539 --> 00:38:52.800
He just throws his stick away.

786
00:38:53.159 --> 00:38:54.659
Fuck that.

787
00:38:54.719 --> 00:38:57.360
I love a crash zoom in the 60s.

788
00:38:57.420 --> 00:39:00.780
And of course, the music's going, da, da, da, da, right now.

789
00:39:00.960 --> 00:39:03.599
We're getting roaring from the corn.

790
00:39:03.659 --> 00:39:05.639
What are these red things on the rocks?

791
00:39:05.699 --> 00:39:08.699
It's it's mineral deposits.

792
00:39:08.760 --> 00:39:09.900
Of course it is.

793
00:39:09.960 --> 00:39:12.179
Oh, because we need sulphur laser.

794
00:39:12.239 --> 00:39:12.900
Right.

795
00:39:12.900 --> 00:39:14.400
There's a big clue there, then.

796
00:39:14.400 --> 00:39:14.820
That's right.

797
00:39:14.880 --> 00:39:18.300
Now, this is a wonderful fight done in slow motion.

798
00:39:18.360 --> 00:39:21.840
I mean it's not done in slow motion, but you would think it was.

799
00:39:21.900 --> 00:39:27.539
But last week the gone were clambering in huge numbers over the ceiling, remember?

800
00:39:28.079 --> 00:39:31.739
And leaping down, flying Erica with one hand.

801
00:39:31.800 --> 00:39:35.519
Zero gravity, you know, it's exploding, that sort of thing.

802
00:39:35.579 --> 00:39:37.199
Now we're hugging.

803
00:39:37.260 --> 00:39:38.400
Now we're hugging, we're getting a kiss.

804
00:39:38.460 --> 00:39:40.559
If a Kurtzman gone.

805
00:39:40.619 --> 00:39:42.179
Got this close to a person.

806
00:39:42.239 --> 00:39:45.059
They literally would have been torn in half. by now.

807
00:39:45.119 --> 00:39:45.960
All full of eggs.

808
00:39:47.519 --> 00:39:53.159
Oh, oh, Kirk does sort of knock his head and he's like, oh, that really hurt.

809
00:39:53.219 --> 00:39:54.780
I think they're his ear holes.

810
00:39:54.840 --> 00:39:56.460
Oh, is that right?

811
00:39:56.519 --> 00:39:57.300
Do you think?

812
00:39:57.360 --> 00:39:59.280
Because he's clutching his earholes.

813
00:39:59.340 --> 00:40:01.139
There are holes set, right?

814
00:40:01.199 --> 00:40:02.219
So now we're picking a rock.

815
00:40:02.280 --> 00:40:03.239
Shatner's doing his best.

816
00:40:03.300 --> 00:40:05.519
This is not polystyrene at all acting.

817
00:40:05.579 --> 00:40:07.079
Whoa.

818
00:40:07.079 --> 00:40:07.920
Oh, it's nice.

819
00:40:07.980 --> 00:40:08.820
And then that's off the call.

820
00:40:08.820 --> 00:40:10.199
That's clearly polystyrem.

821
00:40:11.940 --> 00:40:13.019
Do you know, it's wonderful.

822
00:40:13.079 --> 00:40:16.920
The mineral deposits look just like a load of tin foil over the rocks.

823
00:40:16.980 --> 00:40:17.880
Look at the sky.

824
00:40:17.940 --> 00:40:19.860
Like the Nile, it's blue sky.

825
00:40:19.920 --> 00:40:21.179
Yeah, yeah, yeah, the space.

826
00:40:21.239 --> 00:40:21.960
They just got...

827
00:40:21.960 --> 00:40:22.980
No, it's incredible.

828
00:40:23.159 --> 00:40:25.440
So they can do really impressive wide shots.

829
00:40:25.559 --> 00:40:26.159
Yeah.

830
00:40:26.219 --> 00:40:28.199
So you call that a rock, Shatner?

831
00:40:28.260 --> 00:40:31.139
This is a rock. fucking hell.

832
00:40:31.199 --> 00:40:33.000
Straight over his head.

833
00:40:33.059 --> 00:40:35.400
Yeah, you bit around.

834
00:40:35.460 --> 00:40:38.280
Imagine being the guy who got to throw that at chat.

835
00:40:38.400 --> 00:40:38.699
Shatner.

836
00:40:38.760 --> 00:40:40.019
That didn't bounce too much.

837
00:40:40.079 --> 00:40:41.940
No, that was free.

838
00:40:42.000 --> 00:40:45.119
Joe, I love these shots up of Shatner on the rocks.

839
00:40:45.179 --> 00:40:49.860
Notice how many sort of power shots he gets with his legs wide open, shooting up at him.

840
00:40:50.099 --> 00:40:57.480
Don't you reckon the stage hands or the, like, the guys on the crew were fighting over who gets to throw the giant pole?

841
00:40:58.679 --> 00:41:03.239
No, it was Michelle, Jimmy.

842
00:41:03.300 --> 00:41:05.039
Everyone who doesn't get a line.

843
00:41:05.099 --> 00:41:07.139
They wanted to throw it at Chatna.

844
00:41:07.199 --> 00:41:08.519
Why are you all here, Keira?

845
00:41:08.579 --> 00:41:10.800
We've drawing lots, all right?

846
00:41:12.900 --> 00:41:15.780
Who looks the most smug in this scene?

847
00:41:15.840 --> 00:41:16.980
the one who got to do it.

848
00:41:17.039 --> 00:41:18.719
So, Michelle's calmed down now.

849
00:41:19.019 --> 00:41:22.260
But she does get one other reaction, I think.

850
00:41:22.320 --> 00:41:25.619
Look at these fuzzy lenses when she gets a close-up.

851
00:41:25.679 --> 00:41:28.619
It's so annoying that whenever women get close up.

852
00:41:28.679 --> 00:41:29.159
Why?

853
00:41:29.159 --> 00:41:30.840
But so they look beautiful.

854
00:41:30.900 --> 00:41:32.639
Oh, she looks beautiful.

855
00:41:32.699 --> 00:41:33.119
I know.

856
00:41:33.179 --> 00:41:35.519
I know they're doing it to Michelle, who's incredibly young.

857
00:41:35.579 --> 00:41:41.159
You know, like doesn't have a lot of wrinkles to conceal. unbelievable.

858
00:41:41.219 --> 00:41:42.960
Imagine doing that in strange new worlds.

859
00:41:43.019 --> 00:41:44.760
I mean, they'd have to be fuzzy all the time.

860
00:41:44.820 --> 00:41:45.900
There's so many women.

861
00:41:46.559 --> 00:41:48.300
No, yeah.

862
00:41:48.300 --> 00:41:50.940
Jess would punch you in the dicks if you're trying.

863
00:41:50.940 --> 00:41:52.500
There are mineral deposits everywhere.

864
00:41:52.559 --> 00:41:54.059
Gaunt linked.

865
00:41:54.119 --> 00:41:55.559
No, the Gordon's poking his head up.

866
00:41:55.619 --> 00:41:56.460
The rocks go, hello.

867
00:41:56.519 --> 00:41:57.719
No, he's listening.

868
00:41:57.780 --> 00:42:04.079
You see, he's listing on his lightsaber. sort of unfortunate face where it looks like he's grinning all the time.

869
00:42:04.139 --> 00:42:05.519
Scrubby, I blinked again.

870
00:42:05.639 --> 00:42:06.360
He looks so happy.

871
00:42:06.360 --> 00:42:10.079
I'm so happy to be killing humans again.

872
00:42:11.340 --> 00:42:14.460
Look at the blue of the sky behind.

873
00:42:14.519 --> 00:42:15.960
Yeah, I know.

874
00:42:16.019 --> 00:42:17.039
That is technicolour.

875
00:42:17.039 --> 00:42:17.880
Incredible.

876
00:42:17.940 --> 00:42:19.139
Yeah, gorgeous.

877
00:42:19.199 --> 00:42:19.980
Yeah.

878
00:42:20.099 --> 00:42:23.219
And I think Shatner's really good in this too.

879
00:42:23.280 --> 00:42:24.539
Yeah Yeah.

880
00:42:24.599 --> 00:42:27.480
Scrub, brush, rocks, bits of tinfoil.

881
00:42:27.539 --> 00:42:29.099
I don't know what I'm supposed to be looking for.

882
00:42:29.159 --> 00:42:31.019
Powder, white powder.

883
00:42:31.079 --> 00:42:34.320
He comes across this area where it's just covered in yellow powder.

884
00:42:34.380 --> 00:42:39.480
No, the one where he comes across it, white powder and he goes, hmm, this looks like...

885
00:42:39.480 --> 00:42:42.000
But I do think, right?

886
00:42:42.059 --> 00:42:44.699
I don't think the gaunts, you know, have gunpowder.

887
00:42:44.760 --> 00:42:46.800
I think there's an advantage to human beings.

888
00:42:46.860 --> 00:42:50.159
How does the Gordon know how to turn all that into a weapon?

889
00:42:50.219 --> 00:42:52.500
Well, he just, he just carves it.

890
00:42:52.860 --> 00:42:54.420
He just makes himself a knife.

891
00:42:54.480 --> 00:42:55.920
Oh, yeah, isn't it?

892
00:42:55.980 --> 00:42:56.159
Yeah.

893
00:42:56.219 --> 00:42:56.519
Yeah.

894
00:42:56.579 --> 00:42:57.239
That's right.

895
00:42:57.300 --> 00:43:00.539
Yeah, actually, Kirk's pinned down under a rock, right?

896
00:43:00.599 --> 00:43:07.320
And the go comes running up to him, to guru. pulls the rock off and he's so slow with a knife, just runs away.

897
00:43:07.380 --> 00:43:08.519
Well, yeah.

898
00:43:08.579 --> 00:43:11.820
I mean, done most savage creatures in the galaxy, my arse.

899
00:43:11.880 --> 00:43:13.019
Well, they're slowed.

900
00:43:13.079 --> 00:43:14.820
Like in this in dialogue.

901
00:43:14.880 --> 00:43:16.019
Kirk says this slow.

902
00:43:16.079 --> 00:43:16.920
They're nimble.

903
00:43:16.980 --> 00:43:19.739
Can we have a strange new world episode, please, in Sirius 5.

904
00:43:19.920 --> 00:43:21.300
How many episodes is there 6 in series five?

905
00:43:21.360 --> 00:43:24.960
Can we have just one, which explains an evolutionary throwback.

906
00:43:25.019 --> 00:43:27.659
All the Gorn get really slow and cumbersome.

907
00:43:27.719 --> 00:43:31.860
People were actually theorising during series.

908
00:43:31.980 --> 00:43:33.059
No, they weren't.

909
00:43:33.059 --> 00:43:34.320
That was on its way.

910
00:43:34.380 --> 00:43:36.000
That explanation.

911
00:43:36.059 --> 00:43:40.559
Look, people were theorising about how the Klingons changed and they gave us that episode.

912
00:43:40.980 --> 00:43:45.179
I think that we just decide that it's a TV show made considerably later.

913
00:43:45.239 --> 00:43:50.460
I think he was right, you know, he sort of got this bamboo now that they've put up against the rocks.

914
00:43:50.519 --> 00:43:54.360
But I do think bamboo can actually be turned into explosives.

915
00:43:54.420 --> 00:44:11.280
I, so, again, I think memory alpha and I didn't pay very close attention to this, but someone like Mythbusters or someone, did, you know, can you make a projectile out of saltpetre and, and, um, and they said that...

916
00:44:11.280 --> 00:44:13.019
Maybe teaching kids this sort of thing.

917
00:44:13.079 --> 00:44:13.800
I think so.

918
00:44:13.860 --> 00:44:14.219
Okay.

919
00:44:14.219 --> 00:44:14.940
It's chemistry.

920
00:44:15.000 --> 00:44:15.719
It's strange.

921
00:44:15.780 --> 00:44:18.539
If you really, really, tune your ears in.

922
00:44:18.599 --> 00:44:19.079
Can you hear that?

923
00:44:19.139 --> 00:44:23.039
Dr. Wyckoff, here's come to the isolation for Dr. Wyckoff.

924
00:44:23.099 --> 00:44:23.639
There we go.

925
00:44:23.699 --> 00:44:25.079
Oh, no way. get something else.

926
00:44:25.139 --> 00:44:26.579
Death is your gift.

927
00:44:26.639 --> 00:44:29.519
These are very niche references, I'm afraid.

928
00:44:29.579 --> 00:44:32.460
All things that were shot at Vasquez Rocks.

929
00:44:32.519 --> 00:44:35.940
And we treat Carvardine untitled Star Trek Project, but not the Buffy one.

930
00:44:36.000 --> 00:44:37.320
Yeah, that's true.

931
00:44:37.380 --> 00:44:39.960
So, yes, yeah.

932
00:44:40.019 --> 00:44:43.380
I think Roswell went there as well. you know, the team everyone went there.

933
00:44:43.440 --> 00:44:45.960
There's a, I think Bill and Head go there.

934
00:44:46.019 --> 00:44:49.139
Look, I mean, he's just found a sort of diamond. giant diamond.

935
00:44:49.199 --> 00:44:49.380
Yeah?

936
00:44:49.440 --> 00:44:51.900
That can't be turned into a weapon.

937
00:44:51.960 --> 00:44:55.739
You are not very, you can't improvise, and I could turn a diamond into a weapon.

938
00:44:55.800 --> 00:44:57.480
Like force feed it.

939
00:44:57.539 --> 00:45:01.980
No, I'd literally make it sharp as possible and then catapult it into his eye.

940
00:45:02.039 --> 00:45:03.659
How do you make it sharp?

941
00:45:03.780 --> 00:45:05.699
What, bash it against the rocks?

942
00:45:05.820 --> 00:45:07.019
It's harder than the rocks.

943
00:45:07.079 --> 00:45:07.860
It would break the rocks.

944
00:45:08.039 --> 00:45:11.460
Well, look, it's sharp ones, yeah, next.

945
00:45:11.519 --> 00:45:18.659
Yeah, they are sharp and remember that's what happens is that he propels sharp diamonds into the corn and then they're sticking out of his shoulders.

946
00:45:18.780 --> 00:45:21.119
They just keep throwing big rocks at each other.

947
00:45:21.179 --> 00:45:23.219
No, no, he'll fire dimes.

948
00:45:23.280 --> 00:45:24.179
That's much more fun though.

949
00:45:24.239 --> 00:45:25.019
Yeah, yeah.

950
00:45:25.079 --> 00:45:29.639
I mean, the rock that he fucks over the edge in a minute is fucking enormous.

951
00:45:29.699 --> 00:45:30.780
Yes.

952
00:45:30.840 --> 00:45:33.000
So we're going up to the top of this thing.

953
00:45:33.059 --> 00:45:35.280
I know, that's gross.

954
00:45:36.179 --> 00:45:37.019
You're talking about the location.

955
00:45:37.139 --> 00:45:38.460
I am talking about the location.

956
00:45:38.880 --> 00:45:40.440
There it is.

957
00:45:40.500 --> 00:45:42.239
The Rock is waiting for him at the top.

958
00:45:42.300 --> 00:45:43.500
Another big rock.

959
00:45:43.619 --> 00:45:46.559
The Gorn is sort of making his obsidian knife down the ball.

960
00:45:46.619 --> 00:45:52.019
He's not doing a very good job because he's holding it in one hand and he's hitting it listlessly with the other one.

961
00:45:52.079 --> 00:45:55.739
He's not like putting it on the rock and like using the rock.

962
00:45:55.800 --> 00:45:56.400
Do you know what I mean?

963
00:45:56.460 --> 00:45:57.659
Like, that's not going to do anything.

964
00:45:57.719 --> 00:45:58.800
What's what's that?

965
00:45:58.860 --> 00:46:03.420
I think the line to shut the air was just look up there and go, oh, how convenient.

966
00:46:03.480 --> 00:46:04.380
An enormous rock.

967
00:46:04.500 --> 00:46:06.179
But that's the stunt double.

968
00:46:06.239 --> 00:46:07.320
Yes, of course.

969
00:46:07.380 --> 00:46:10.199
I mean, in fact, that's a real rock, I think. isn't it?

970
00:46:10.260 --> 00:46:11.280
Look at it.

971
00:46:11.340 --> 00:46:12.119
No, no, no.

972
00:46:12.119 --> 00:46:13.440
That's just the problem.

973
00:46:13.500 --> 00:46:17.039
I mean, he's not up there when he's pushing the policy, isn't he?

974
00:46:17.219 --> 00:46:19.199
Now, what's so funny?

975
00:46:19.260 --> 00:46:22.440
We can't hear the sound, but you can hear it all popping and creeping.

976
00:46:22.440 --> 00:46:23.400
Yeah, yeah.

977
00:46:23.400 --> 00:46:24.119
Chin it over.

978
00:46:24.179 --> 00:46:28.199
And it's also a very different colour from the app from the other rock.

979
00:46:28.260 --> 00:46:28.980
Yeah, that's right.

980
00:46:29.039 --> 00:46:32.159
But yeah, so how is he how is he sharpening it?

981
00:46:32.219 --> 00:46:35.099
I don't know, but I don't think that shows great tactics on the Gaul's part.

982
00:46:35.159 --> 00:46:37.260
He's literally there underneath.

983
00:46:37.320 --> 00:46:38.460
I mean, yeah.

984
00:46:38.519 --> 00:46:40.679
All Kirk needs is the height advantage and he's won.

985
00:46:40.739 --> 00:46:42.000
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's true.

986
00:46:42.059 --> 00:46:45.480
He can be a bit of rocks and shoals, actually, you know, when they add the upper position.

987
00:46:45.539 --> 00:46:46.800
Ah, yes, yeah, yeah.

988
00:46:46.860 --> 00:46:47.400
That's right.

989
00:46:47.460 --> 00:46:49.139
Whee down.

990
00:46:49.800 --> 00:46:50.280
My word.

991
00:46:50.340 --> 00:46:50.880
Oh, shit.

992
00:46:50.940 --> 00:46:51.719
Look at his reaction.

993
00:46:51.780 --> 00:46:52.380
Look at his reaction.

994
00:46:54.599 --> 00:46:58.079
I watch crushed flat ears.

995
00:46:58.139 --> 00:46:59.699
It's right underneath it.

996
00:46:59.820 --> 00:47:01.019
Oh, no.

997
00:47:01.079 --> 00:47:02.699
He thought he was dead.

998
00:47:02.820 --> 00:47:05.880
And look, well, yeah, I wasn't sure how far in we were.

999
00:47:05.880 --> 00:47:06.780
Okay, yeah, yeah.

1000
00:47:07.199 --> 00:47:08.400
Chatter's like, woo.

1001
00:47:08.460 --> 00:47:09.179
Yeah, that's right.

1002
00:47:09.239 --> 00:47:09.900
That's the other thing.

1003
00:47:10.019 --> 00:47:12.360
And he looks excited and he's pleased.

1004
00:47:12.420 --> 00:47:14.579
You are a bully, Captain Kirk.

1005
00:47:14.639 --> 00:47:15.000
All right.

1006
00:47:15.059 --> 00:47:17.039
And then he has 2nd thoughts, obviously.

1007
00:47:17.099 --> 00:47:19.440
I love all these shots in the rocks.

1008
00:47:19.500 --> 00:47:20.340
Yeah.

1009
00:47:20.340 --> 00:47:25.260
It just, I don't know. just the realism to all of it.

1010
00:47:25.320 --> 00:47:27.239
Oh my god, you see him slap his hand.

1011
00:47:27.300 --> 00:47:29.579
He's alpha male, he is.

1012
00:47:31.380 --> 00:47:37.380
He has that superpower that some people have in genre shows of reacting to things that haven't happened yet.

1013
00:47:37.500 --> 00:47:41.099
So he reacts to the gone stirring.

1014
00:47:41.159 --> 00:47:45.780
Then we get a shot of him still and then he starts moving. for Janet Fielding.

1015
00:47:45.840 --> 00:47:46.739
There it is. exactly right.

1016
00:47:46.800 --> 00:47:48.960
Sorry, Dr. represents this again.

1017
00:47:49.019 --> 00:47:53.219
Now, the gore must be so strong because that was a bloody big rock.

1018
00:47:53.280 --> 00:47:55.380
This big rock, he managed to...

1019
00:47:55.440 --> 00:47:57.719
And there's another big rock that fell on show.

1020
00:47:57.780 --> 00:48:00.420
I'm sorry, that rope was so visible.

1021
00:48:00.480 --> 00:48:02.099
How did you not see it?

1022
00:48:02.219 --> 00:48:04.739
My God. you know what?

1023
00:48:04.800 --> 00:48:12.360
This hasn't been that visible since that time when Odo was taken on the Bajorans on the promenade and he turned into a massive rope and tripped them all up.

1024
00:48:12.420 --> 00:48:12.900
Yeah.

1025
00:48:12.900 --> 00:48:14.699
Oh, he's, he's behind you.

1026
00:48:14.760 --> 00:48:17.039
No, these shots are great.

1027
00:48:17.099 --> 00:48:18.239
There's a few shots.

1028
00:48:18.300 --> 00:48:21.960
So it's the other shot when he's assembling the mortar thing.

1029
00:48:22.019 --> 00:48:23.579
You know what, Kirk's thinking?

1030
00:48:23.639 --> 00:48:24.659
Oh, no, he isn't.

1031
00:48:24.780 --> 00:48:27.000
Oh, no, this is the bit now.

1032
00:48:27.059 --> 00:48:27.300
Look.

1033
00:48:27.360 --> 00:48:28.860
So it cuts to the advert, bro.

1034
00:48:28.920 --> 00:48:29.880
My God, he's under a rock.

1035
00:48:29.940 --> 00:48:31.320
It's going to be the knife coming.

1036
00:48:31.380 --> 00:48:35.159
The one tosses the rock off, and Kirk just runs away.

1037
00:48:35.159 --> 00:48:39.059
He trips. gone.

1038
00:48:39.119 --> 00:48:41.219
You are some shit.

1039
00:48:41.519 --> 00:48:44.280
How is he going to tell those to his superiors?

1040
00:48:45.000 --> 00:48:46.199
Oh boy, boy.

1041
00:48:46.260 --> 00:48:51.480
That, the, the, Mrs. Gorn from terrarium had a broken leg and she was...

1042
00:48:51.480 --> 00:48:52.800
Might be Mrs. Gorny.

1043
00:48:52.860 --> 00:48:53.820
He was wearing a dress.

1044
00:48:53.880 --> 00:48:55.619
Well, no, I think the mess.

1045
00:48:55.619 --> 00:48:56.099
I just love that.

1046
00:48:56.099 --> 00:48:57.780
Yeah, she came right up to the camera.

1047
00:48:57.840 --> 00:48:59.159
So much so he blurred.

1048
00:48:59.219 --> 00:49:00.000
Yeah, that was really good.

1049
00:49:00.059 --> 00:49:01.800
I think this is well directed.

1050
00:49:01.860 --> 00:49:03.480
I think it's bloody world.

1051
00:49:03.539 --> 00:49:07.019
Well, it's hard to not be with this much location work, I think.

1052
00:49:07.079 --> 00:49:10.500
Oh yeah, location works easy, but I think just generally this is well done.

1053
00:49:10.559 --> 00:49:11.579
It looks good.

1054
00:49:11.639 --> 00:49:13.920
I think it's mostly well written as well.

1055
00:49:13.980 --> 00:49:16.500
Like, I know, like we said, they're feeling their way in.

1056
00:49:16.559 --> 00:49:17.159
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1057
00:49:17.159 --> 00:49:19.500
But Gene Coon understands a dramatic scenario.

1058
00:49:19.559 --> 00:49:20.159
Yeah.

1059
00:49:20.159 --> 00:49:28.920
See, the one thing that we missed, this is not just the 1st one to mention, um, the Federation, but this is the 1st one where we have a photo on torpedo, torpedoes as well.

1060
00:49:28.980 --> 00:49:29.880
Oh, and the noise.

1061
00:49:29.940 --> 00:49:30.480
Yeah, yeah.

1062
00:49:30.480 --> 00:49:31.920
I mean, I don't know if the noise is in the original.

1063
00:49:32.039 --> 00:49:32.460
I think it is.

1064
00:49:32.519 --> 00:49:33.659
But I love that noise.

1065
00:49:33.719 --> 00:49:34.980
It was in the computer game.

1066
00:49:36.179 --> 00:49:39.900
Now, there seems to be a lot of Coleman's mustard powder.

1067
00:49:39.900 --> 00:49:41.760
Scattered about here.

1068
00:49:41.820 --> 00:49:43.380
So that's sulphur.

1069
00:49:43.440 --> 00:49:44.219
That's right.

1070
00:49:44.280 --> 00:49:45.000
So is this right?

1071
00:49:45.059 --> 00:49:48.000
You can put sulphur and sulphur and saltpeder, make.

1072
00:49:48.000 --> 00:49:49.440
Gum powder.

1073
00:49:49.500 --> 00:49:49.860
Okay.

1074
00:49:49.920 --> 00:49:50.820
Yeah.

1075
00:49:50.880 --> 00:50:06.780
And in fact, when this was broadcast in the UK, all the times it was broadcast until about 1992, they cut all the references to how to make gunpowder so that the children at home, maybe it was an Irish thing.

1076
00:50:06.840 --> 00:50:10.619
Anyway, so that people weren't making gunpowder at home.

1077
00:50:10.679 --> 00:50:12.539
Did I really think people were going to?

1078
00:50:12.539 --> 00:50:13.079
I don't know.

1079
00:50:13.139 --> 00:50:15.360
We're not sending it over to the Irish one.

1080
00:50:15.420 --> 00:50:18.059
It was on the BBC and wasn't it?

1081
00:50:18.119 --> 00:50:20.099
Star Trek was on the BBC.

1082
00:50:21.059 --> 00:50:30.539
I like to compare now the solutions because obviously Captain Kirk, you know, heads back in time, however many 100s of years, and makes gunpowder to why.

1083
00:50:30.599 --> 00:50:35.280
Erica, in terrarium, sets fire to the entire fucking planet.

1084
00:50:35.579 --> 00:50:38.099
I think hers is a bit more impressive.

1085
00:50:38.159 --> 00:50:39.179
That was pretty great.

1086
00:50:39.239 --> 00:50:45.420
I mean, he's more practical because, you know, she is on the planet, which is the board to play chess.

1087
00:50:45.480 --> 00:50:47.519
Oh that's great. great.

1088
00:50:47.579 --> 00:50:51.780
But I mean, see the thing is, oh, this, we had this before, didn't we?

1089
00:50:51.840 --> 00:50:59.820
You know, I think, um, didn't Baylock tell them all to pray to whatever god they believed in before they got exploded?

1090
00:50:59.880 --> 00:51:02.340
We very often get a disembodied voice.

1091
00:51:02.400 --> 00:51:03.179
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1092
00:51:03.179 --> 00:51:05.519
It's usually a peculiarly English voice.

1093
00:51:05.579 --> 00:51:09.059
No, no, it's a, no, it's part, it's some educated American.

1094
00:51:09.119 --> 00:51:10.679
Are there any?

1095
00:51:10.739 --> 00:51:11.460
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1096
00:51:11.519 --> 00:51:12.719
Okay, one or two.

1097
00:51:13.500 --> 00:51:14.340
Yeah.

1098
00:51:14.340 --> 00:51:15.900
For now.

1099
00:51:15.900 --> 00:51:16.679
Leonard?

1100
00:51:17.460 --> 00:51:21.300
Nichelle, although we can't tell for the material they give up.

1101
00:51:21.360 --> 00:51:25.500
No, she does some solid television watching a bit later too, I think.

1102
00:51:25.559 --> 00:51:27.000
Well, I mean, they're us now.

1103
00:51:27.059 --> 00:51:29.159
Yeah, literally us.

1104
00:51:29.159 --> 00:51:34.619
It's Star Trek night on the Bridge of the Enterprise. and say, oh, there, look at, look.

1105
00:51:34.679 --> 00:51:37.320
She's put her put her hand over her mouth.

1106
00:51:37.380 --> 00:51:39.179
She's so shocked by what's happening.

1107
00:51:39.239 --> 00:51:43.260
I like to think that if this was strange new worlds in this same scenario, right?

1108
00:51:43.320 --> 00:51:47.340
The new Scotty would have gone off to get some nips and some Scotch.

1109
00:51:47.340 --> 00:51:48.000
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1110
00:51:48.059 --> 00:51:49.739
And he'd be sitting there sipping his trip going.

1111
00:51:49.800 --> 00:51:50.219
Wow, you know.

1112
00:51:50.280 --> 00:51:51.599
Erica likes snacks too.

1113
00:51:51.719 --> 00:51:53.460
Oh, there it was.

1114
00:51:53.519 --> 00:51:55.079
She be the one on there in the new one, wouldn't she?

1115
00:51:55.139 --> 00:51:55.860
Yeah, that's true.

1116
00:51:55.920 --> 00:51:58.739
So he's going to do a line of this, I think.

1117
00:51:58.800 --> 00:52:00.719
That's fantastic.

1118
00:52:00.780 --> 00:52:02.099
Oh, okay, it's not poke then.

1119
00:52:02.639 --> 00:52:06.000
Oh, I thought you meant a script line.

1120
00:52:06.059 --> 00:52:08.099
You meant a line of drugs.

1121
00:52:08.159 --> 00:52:08.699
Okay.

1122
00:52:09.179 --> 00:52:12.179
No wonder he's so effective in a minute.

1123
00:52:12.599 --> 00:52:13.500
Yeah, that's right.

1124
00:52:13.500 --> 00:52:14.760
Boost your brain power.

1125
00:52:14.820 --> 00:52:15.599
It is Hollywood.

1126
00:52:17.400 --> 00:52:20.099
I don't think he hasn't, you know?

1127
00:52:20.820 --> 00:52:23.639
Sorry, we're not casting aspersions.

1128
00:52:23.820 --> 00:52:25.679
Look at that long shot.

1129
00:52:25.739 --> 00:52:28.260
Yeah, gorgeous, isn't it?

1130
00:52:28.380 --> 00:52:29.400
You're right.

1131
00:52:29.460 --> 00:52:29.940
It's space.

1132
00:52:30.000 --> 00:52:30.659
It's just space.

1133
00:52:30.719 --> 00:52:33.000
He's selling it as well.

1134
00:52:33.059 --> 00:52:33.659
Yeah.

1135
00:52:33.719 --> 00:52:36.780
Yeah, he's running with a with a sore leg.

1136
00:52:36.900 --> 00:52:40.440
Come on, that head of that go on, it's so ridiculous.

1137
00:52:40.500 --> 00:52:41.820
This should be unwatchable.

1138
00:52:41.880 --> 00:52:44.519
And yeah, it's just brilliant.

1139
00:52:44.579 --> 00:52:49.739
So now we actually hear the go and speak, which is not something that we've ever seen on Strange New World.

1140
00:52:49.800 --> 00:52:54.000
No, but I'm looking the puppeteer doing the mouth there, you know, inside.

1141
00:52:54.059 --> 00:52:55.320
Can you see the actor a little bit?

1142
00:52:55.380 --> 00:52:58.260
Yeah, it's just the actor's chin that's moving the mouth, right?

1143
00:52:58.320 --> 00:53:00.420
I can see that through a little bit.

1144
00:53:00.539 --> 00:53:02.820
Maybe they should have gone to a shadowy area.

1145
00:53:02.940 --> 00:53:05.219
Yeah, I don't think it's not that peaceful.

1146
00:53:05.280 --> 00:53:06.000
I think it's pretty good.

1147
00:53:06.179 --> 00:53:12.780
I do prefer the aesthetic to arena for terrarium.

1148
00:53:12.840 --> 00:53:14.400
I prefer the brightness.

1149
00:53:14.460 --> 00:53:15.179
Oh, yes. sun.

1150
00:53:15.300 --> 00:53:17.519
It's just more visually appealing.

1151
00:53:17.579 --> 00:53:22.380
Yeah, it's superbly done in terrarium and the use of the wall is stunning.

1152
00:53:22.440 --> 00:53:25.139
But, you know, we've been on a lot of stormy planets.

1153
00:53:25.199 --> 00:53:31.500
But and I think, like, I don't think we've been on a Stormy Planet quite as spectacular as we get in terrarium.

1154
00:53:31.559 --> 00:53:36.480
But, um, it's very definitely trying to do a contrast.

1155
00:53:36.539 --> 00:53:38.400
Oh, yeah, absolutely.

1156
00:53:38.460 --> 00:53:41.400
And, and, you know, nothing beats being on location.

1157
00:53:41.460 --> 00:53:43.320
Nothing beats real sunlight.

1158
00:53:43.380 --> 00:53:44.159
It looks amazing.

1159
00:53:44.219 --> 00:53:47.159
In arena, they're trying to bludgeon themselves to death with rocks.

1160
00:53:47.159 --> 00:53:55.139
In terrarium, we're basically in a sitcom by the end of the episode of all of that. agree and disagree going on.

1161
00:53:55.199 --> 00:54:01.199
I mean, Marv Roth told me he's going to start communicating only with the worst agree and disagree. he will do it.

1162
00:54:01.260 --> 00:54:04.920
Look, now we're on, so the Dawn is in the studio there.

1163
00:54:04.980 --> 00:54:05.820
Oh, is he?

1164
00:54:05.880 --> 00:54:06.780
Yeah, yeah.

1165
00:54:06.840 --> 00:54:09.480
Well, get you one of those dresses, you know, Christmas.

1166
00:54:09.480 --> 00:54:10.500
That looks great.

1167
00:54:10.559 --> 00:54:11.519
You look great.

1168
00:54:11.579 --> 00:54:13.260
Sexy go on Halloween.

1169
00:54:13.260 --> 00:54:14.579
Sexy Halloween.

1170
00:54:14.639 --> 00:54:15.179
Will you wear it?

1171
00:54:15.239 --> 00:54:17.639
Come off the train station wearing the gaund dress, okay.

1172
00:54:17.699 --> 00:54:20.820
Right, so long as I get a lizard head as well. whole thing.

1173
00:54:21.239 --> 00:54:23.460
So a euphemism.

1174
00:54:24.539 --> 00:54:28.980
What's kind of strange, Australian neutralism what you're talking about there.

1175
00:54:29.039 --> 00:54:31.139
Look, Spock is gripped.

1176
00:54:31.199 --> 00:54:33.539
He's like, he's watching Severance or something, you know?

1177
00:54:33.599 --> 00:54:34.440
Yeah, my God.

1178
00:54:34.500 --> 00:54:38.159
No, but he's kind of going, oh, you know, Shatner's not as dumb as I thought.

1179
00:54:38.219 --> 00:54:40.139
So he is the audience then.

1180
00:54:40.260 --> 00:54:42.239
He's going, my God, yeah, he's figuring it out.

1181
00:54:42.300 --> 00:54:42.840
Yeah.

1182
00:54:42.900 --> 00:54:44.940
I mean, they're not quite doing that.

1183
00:54:45.000 --> 00:54:47.820
But what, I mean, why are they watching it on television?

1184
00:54:47.880 --> 00:54:48.719
Do you know what I mean?

1185
00:54:48.780 --> 00:54:49.800
Like, why?

1186
00:54:49.920 --> 00:54:51.360
No, literally why are they doing it?

1187
00:54:51.420 --> 00:54:52.199
Like, why is that there?

1188
00:54:52.260 --> 00:54:54.599
I think it's for the for the job or the reactions.

1189
00:54:54.719 --> 00:55:00.239
Yeah, I think that's it because otherwise we've got to invent reasons for them to talk to each other back on the ship.

1190
00:55:00.360 --> 00:55:02.760
Who is allowing them to see it?

1191
00:55:02.820 --> 00:55:03.780
The Metrons?

1192
00:55:03.840 --> 00:55:06.659
But they're the ones that are going from lots of different angles.

1193
00:55:06.780 --> 00:55:08.400
I mean, they've got plenty of cameras.

1194
00:55:08.460 --> 00:55:11.099
They've got a whole crew right out there.

1195
00:55:11.159 --> 00:55:13.079
But yeah, do you know what he did?

1196
00:55:13.139 --> 00:55:15.179
He pulled in that crew from that Roman episode.

1197
00:55:15.179 --> 00:55:16.739
They had on a camera.

1198
00:55:16.800 --> 00:55:19.079
Can you just film this from as many shots as possible?

1199
00:55:19.139 --> 00:55:19.739
Thank you.

1200
00:55:19.800 --> 00:55:22.079
And we don't want it in the press, all right?

1201
00:55:22.139 --> 00:55:22.920
And we know what you like.

1202
00:55:22.980 --> 00:55:25.619
Now they're just absolutely like it.

1203
00:55:25.860 --> 00:55:26.519
Look at her.

1204
00:55:26.519 --> 00:55:31.440
Lean in. she Is he going to be able to make gunpowder in time?

1205
00:55:31.500 --> 00:55:33.239
Will the go on catch up with him?

1206
00:55:33.300 --> 00:55:38.460
Well, because there's a great shot, isn't there, where the Gorn is approaching him like while he's desperately trying to make it?

1207
00:55:38.519 --> 00:55:42.360
I mean, the corner's been smash bar rock and he's not even like limping.

1208
00:55:42.420 --> 00:55:44.699
He is a tough bitch.

1209
00:55:44.760 --> 00:55:45.659
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1210
00:55:45.719 --> 00:55:46.019
Yep.

1211
00:55:46.079 --> 00:55:47.340
Look, here he comes.

1212
00:55:47.400 --> 00:55:50.099
Now we're not hearing it, but he's saying...

1213
00:55:50.099 --> 00:55:52.980
Quite a lot, yeah.

1214
00:55:53.039 --> 00:55:55.739
Now they've taken that away in Strangely Wells, haven't they?

1215
00:55:55.800 --> 00:55:56.699
They sort of go.

1216
00:55:57.239 --> 00:56:00.000
Yeah, they have clicking and tutoring and stuff. much scarier.

1217
00:56:00.059 --> 00:56:00.659
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1218
00:56:00.719 --> 00:56:05.219
Well, it's because dude, you don't know they're there and then you hear the clicking and chitter.

1219
00:56:05.280 --> 00:56:08.760
Also, it's an actor going, as well.

1220
00:56:08.820 --> 00:56:10.559
Why are you saying that?

1221
00:56:10.619 --> 00:56:12.000
It's a bad thing.

1222
00:56:12.900 --> 00:56:15.599
I'm going to stop doing it on this now.

1223
00:56:18.659 --> 00:56:19.980
Very B movie.

1224
00:56:20.039 --> 00:56:21.360
I want to hear it's talking now.

1225
00:56:21.420 --> 00:56:23.219
I forgot what his voice was like.

1226
00:56:23.280 --> 00:56:24.239
Yeah, I was doing...

1227
00:56:24.239 --> 00:56:26.340
Was it kind of rough like that?

1228
00:56:26.400 --> 00:56:27.900
It wasn't Cookie Monster.

1229
00:56:27.900 --> 00:56:29.340
Cookie Monster.

1230
00:56:32.400 --> 00:56:34.199
What's going on?

1231
00:56:34.380 --> 00:56:36.780
Arena sending us mad?

1232
00:56:36.840 --> 00:56:37.860
Oh, yes.

1233
00:56:37.860 --> 00:56:39.599
Spino's loving this. on.

1234
00:56:39.659 --> 00:56:40.559
He's got sulphur?

1235
00:56:40.619 --> 00:56:41.519
Cole.

1236
00:56:41.579 --> 00:56:42.360
What else?

1237
00:56:42.420 --> 00:56:44.219
Uh, saltpetre.

1238
00:56:44.280 --> 00:56:48.000
So they've scattered all the elements of gunpowder about.

1239
00:56:48.300 --> 00:56:53.219
I like to think there's all the elements of a gaunt weapon as well. just too thick to realise that.

1240
00:56:53.280 --> 00:56:56.099
No, he made a big knife out of, he made a big knife out of thing.

1241
00:56:56.159 --> 00:56:57.900
Nice, versus gun powder.

1242
00:56:58.019 --> 00:57:00.179
Well, fine, you can have a knife.

1243
00:57:00.239 --> 00:57:01.380
I love a gun powder.

1244
00:57:01.440 --> 00:57:03.420
Nearly, he very nearly got him.

1245
00:57:04.079 --> 00:57:05.880
Oh here we go.

1246
00:57:05.940 --> 00:57:07.380
He's tipping out all of his bits.

1247
00:57:07.440 --> 00:57:08.280
Yeah.

1248
00:57:08.340 --> 00:57:11.340
And now, like it's approaching him, but they'll be in the same shot in a second.

1249
00:57:11.400 --> 00:57:12.360
Who was that?

1250
00:57:12.360 --> 00:57:15.059
That's the desert science all around.

1251
00:57:15.480 --> 00:57:15.960
Yeah, okay.

1252
00:57:16.019 --> 00:57:16.619
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1253
00:57:16.679 --> 00:57:17.159
Oh, man.

1254
00:57:17.280 --> 00:57:19.079
Like, he's doing a proper thing.

1255
00:57:19.139 --> 00:57:19.860
He's not an idiot.

1256
00:57:19.920 --> 00:57:21.960
Yeah, look, this, because they're going to be in the same shop.

1257
00:57:22.019 --> 00:57:23.519
Yeah, sand gets everywhere.

1258
00:57:23.579 --> 00:57:24.840
Yeah, I've heard that.

1259
00:57:25.500 --> 00:57:26.400
Oh, that's so...

1260
00:57:26.460 --> 00:57:28.079
Here he comes.

1261
00:57:28.139 --> 00:57:30.420
Look at his thighs, man.

1262
00:57:30.480 --> 00:57:33.659
And he can crack a walnut with those giant, giant pods.

1263
00:57:33.719 --> 00:57:35.340
He doesn't skip leg day.

1264
00:57:35.400 --> 00:57:36.420
He's a good blizzard.

1265
00:57:36.480 --> 00:57:37.380
Do you know what?

1266
00:57:37.440 --> 00:57:38.219
I think I would.

1267
00:57:38.280 --> 00:57:39.659
Oh, you really?

1268
00:57:41.039 --> 00:57:43.440
I can put something on his head.

1269
00:57:43.679 --> 00:57:47.699
Do you remember in Stranger World's have got space helmets?

1270
00:57:48.059 --> 00:57:49.079
Yeah, into the space helmet.

1271
00:57:49.139 --> 00:57:50.280
Shove my nose on his head.

1272
00:57:50.340 --> 00:57:51.000
It'll be fine.

1273
00:57:51.360 --> 00:57:59.579
Now, now, what really impressed me here as well. was the editing because it's usually fairly bad in TOS.

1274
00:57:59.639 --> 00:58:11.820
But as the gore gets closer, and he's the, he's trying really hard to get the gunpowder in, and you cut back to the enterprise and more reaction shots, and the music was building, and I'm like, they're really giving this a sense of occasion at the end.

1275
00:58:11.880 --> 00:58:14.039
And like the thing that shape.

1276
00:58:14.099 --> 00:58:16.260
Yeah, back to Shatner.

1277
00:58:16.320 --> 00:58:23.340
But you do have them showing us how exciting intensity is, you know, because we have a surrogate audience reacting to her.

1278
00:58:23.400 --> 00:58:27.659
I actually think those air holes, maybe, just allowing the action to the studio.

1279
00:58:27.719 --> 00:58:30.659
No, no, I think it's got a straw there.

1280
00:58:30.719 --> 00:58:33.179
I actually wonder what the actor's looking at.

1281
00:58:33.239 --> 00:58:35.159
Oh, smoke's coming off the sofa.

1282
00:58:35.219 --> 00:58:35.579
Come on.

1283
00:58:35.639 --> 00:58:37.260
Oh, no, not the soul for the coal.

1284
00:58:37.320 --> 00:58:38.400
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1285
00:58:38.460 --> 00:58:40.980
But this shot, this shot here, it's great, isn't it?

1286
00:58:41.039 --> 00:58:43.019
It is like a panto, though.

1287
00:58:43.079 --> 00:58:44.639
He is behind you right now.

1288
00:58:44.699 --> 00:58:45.659
Yeah, it's awesome.

1289
00:58:45.719 --> 00:58:48.239
And he's really happy about it.

1290
00:58:48.300 --> 00:58:49.619
Oh, we've seen him.

1291
00:58:49.679 --> 00:58:50.159
He's seen him.

1292
00:58:50.219 --> 00:58:50.699
It's right.

1293
00:58:50.760 --> 00:58:51.420
Yeah, yeah.

1294
00:58:51.480 --> 00:58:53.099
He's like, you can smile all you want.

1295
00:58:53.159 --> 00:58:54.659
You're about to get your head blown off.

1296
00:58:56.579 --> 00:58:58.920
Oh, don't ruin the dress.

1297
00:58:58.980 --> 00:59:00.539
So nice.

1298
00:59:00.599 --> 00:59:03.059
That is a Versace gaunt dress.

1299
00:59:03.119 --> 00:59:04.079
Oh, no.

1300
00:59:04.079 --> 00:59:05.820
That's it.

1301
00:59:05.880 --> 00:59:07.079
Boom.

1302
00:59:07.139 --> 00:59:10.800
No, he gets just a couple of diamonds embedded in his shoulders.

1303
00:59:10.980 --> 00:59:12.900
Well, you see the blood, though.

1304
00:59:12.960 --> 00:59:14.940
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, red blood.

1305
00:59:15.000 --> 00:59:15.480
Yep.

1306
00:59:15.480 --> 00:59:17.460
Lizards don't have red blood, do they?

1307
00:59:17.519 --> 00:59:18.239
I think so.

1308
00:59:18.300 --> 00:59:20.639
Oh, look, I think there is one in the dress.

1309
00:59:20.699 --> 00:59:22.380
There's some blood on the dress, I'm afraid.

1310
00:59:22.500 --> 00:59:23.820
Now he's going to stab him.

1311
00:59:24.420 --> 00:59:24.840
Stab him.

1312
00:59:24.960 --> 00:59:26.460
He was never going to stab him.

1313
00:59:26.519 --> 00:59:27.780
You've watched this show.

1314
00:59:27.840 --> 00:59:29.820
Look at his diamond, don't we?

1315
00:59:31.139 --> 00:59:33.659
His eyes were made of diamonds.

1316
00:59:33.780 --> 00:59:34.860
They look great, don't they?

1317
00:59:34.920 --> 00:59:39.480
Instead of multifaceted eyes, like a no, he says, I won't kill you.

1318
00:59:39.539 --> 00:59:42.000
No, because killing people is bad, Jim.

1319
00:59:42.059 --> 00:59:45.300
I will blow a load of diamonds into your body, but I won't kill you.

1320
00:59:45.360 --> 00:59:46.320
Well, he won.

1321
00:59:46.380 --> 00:59:47.099
Do you know what I mean?

1322
00:59:47.159 --> 00:59:48.000
I think that's kind of a thing.

1323
00:59:48.059 --> 00:59:48.840
No, no, no.

1324
00:59:48.900 --> 00:59:53.280
Let you do the horror movie trope now, and the door gets up and starts...

1325
00:59:53.340 --> 00:59:54.480
Feels in full of eggs.

1326
00:59:54.539 --> 00:59:56.519
I mean, look at his clothes.

1327
00:59:56.579 --> 00:59:57.480
He should have just used those.

1328
00:59:57.539 --> 00:59:58.619
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1329
00:59:58.679 --> 01:00:00.599
I mean, that one did it to Erica, didn't you?

1330
01:00:00.719 --> 01:00:01.380
Yeah, absolutely.

1331
01:00:01.440 --> 01:00:03.239
Stabbed her right in the gut with his claws.

1332
01:00:03.300 --> 01:00:03.599
Yep.

1333
01:00:03.599 --> 01:00:07.380
So he's shouting out to the gods now.

1334
01:00:07.440 --> 01:00:12.360
You're going to have to find your entertainment I love that line, actually, because we've been entertained as well.

1335
01:00:12.420 --> 01:00:15.420
Like we've been enjoying this battle between the 2 of them.

1336
01:00:15.480 --> 01:00:16.679
Oh here we go.

1337
01:00:16.739 --> 01:00:24.360
So, this actor playing the Metron. is called Carol Shalin.

1338
01:00:24.420 --> 01:00:26.699
Carol, you make a wonderful Metron.

1339
01:00:26.760 --> 01:00:33.960
She plays a female engineer in home soil in series one of...

1340
01:00:33.960 --> 01:00:39.119
Female engineer, which you remember series one, they had a whole bunch of different engineers, like everything?

1341
01:00:39.179 --> 01:00:41.280
No, there's a different engineer.

1342
01:00:41.340 --> 01:00:43.079
They didn't have a regular as the engineer.

1343
01:00:43.139 --> 01:00:45.539
Geordie gets remoted to chief engineer in series 2.

1344
01:00:45.659 --> 01:00:47.519
I remember and they had a...

1345
01:00:47.579 --> 01:00:48.239
Mr. Singh, no.

1346
01:00:48.300 --> 01:00:50.280
Yes, Mr. Singh, Mr. Argyle.

1347
01:00:50.340 --> 01:00:51.059
There was a lady.

1348
01:00:51.119 --> 01:00:52.920
There was this lady...

1349
01:00:52.980 --> 01:00:53.340
No.

1350
01:00:53.400 --> 01:00:56.340
We haven't progressed that much, then, have we?

1351
01:00:56.400 --> 01:00:58.199
So, but what I really like.

1352
01:00:58.260 --> 01:01:02.699
Like, this is clearly an effeminate, like it's a woman, right?

1353
01:01:02.760 --> 01:01:04.199
In a sort of dress.

1354
01:01:04.260 --> 01:01:07.440
She's look, she looks like a Greek god, I guess.

1355
01:01:07.500 --> 01:01:09.780
They're addressing him as a man.

1356
01:01:09.840 --> 01:01:10.860
Yes, yeah.

1357
01:01:10.920 --> 01:01:13.019
And it's the voice is male as well.

1358
01:01:13.199 --> 01:01:17.159
Kirk says that he looks like a boy, right?

1359
01:01:17.219 --> 01:01:29.820
And and so the queerness of it, you know, you've got these guys who are doing primitive violence and stuff and the gods are above and beyond that, you know, he doesn't want to get that dressed.

1360
01:01:29.880 --> 01:01:30.480
Exactly.

1361
01:01:30.539 --> 01:01:31.320
But that's exactly it.

1362
01:01:31.380 --> 01:01:32.880
He doesn't want to get the dress dirty.

1363
01:01:32.940 --> 01:01:35.579
He's above the sort of filth and the violence and stuff.

1364
01:01:35.639 --> 01:01:37.980
Look at all those lovely things around his legs.

1365
01:01:38.460 --> 01:01:42.900
Yeah, yeah, but again, that's just like, that's like classical, like a, like a Greek god. yeah?

1366
01:01:42.960 --> 01:01:46.079
And we do see, you know, in who mourns for adonize.

1367
01:01:46.139 --> 01:01:47.940
We see, you know, Apollo and stuff.

1368
01:01:48.000 --> 01:01:55.920
So it is a thing, like that is, the Greek gods thing is a thing that you use at this time to indicate in the Strange New Worlds episode.

1369
01:01:55.980 --> 01:01:59.639
It's a man and a woman's voice overlapping, isn't it?

1370
01:01:59.699 --> 01:02:03.900
It's a voice that's just a male actor.

1371
01:02:03.900 --> 01:02:06.239
Or a non-binary actor. could be.

1372
01:02:06.300 --> 01:02:07.019
Do you know what I mean?

1373
01:02:07.079 --> 01:02:07.679
Like I don't know.

1374
01:02:07.739 --> 01:02:10.440
And the shaved head, it's still queer.

1375
01:02:10.500 --> 01:02:15.420
Well, they don't have to go that far from the original, which is actually really nice.

1376
01:02:15.480 --> 01:02:22.260
And so it's still cheesy and hilarious and kind of weird science fiction-y, but it's updated for 2024. so it doesn't look as silly.

1377
01:02:22.380 --> 01:02:25.139
Are you listening to me or you anti-wope bastard?

1378
01:02:25.199 --> 01:02:27.239
No one watch Arena, all right?

1379
01:02:27.300 --> 01:02:28.320
was there all along.

1380
01:02:28.380 --> 01:02:30.539
Exactly, of course. one of your favourite episodes?

1381
01:02:30.599 --> 01:02:32.159
Exactly.

1382
01:02:32.280 --> 01:02:35.039
Do we ever actually sort of visit the Metrons?

1383
01:02:35.159 --> 01:02:37.380
No, but they just...

1384
01:02:37.380 --> 01:02:46.079
I think they get mentioned as a possible candidate for the 10 C. in Discovery Series 4.

1385
01:02:46.320 --> 01:02:52.619
I mean, I just could have seen a lower decks episode when they visit the realm of the Metrons, you know.

1386
01:02:52.679 --> 01:03:01.440
Well, do you remember that, do you remember that there is a great goddess in, um, on the in the crew, uh, in the towards the end?

1387
01:03:01.500 --> 01:03:02.219
Oh, of course.

1388
01:03:02.219 --> 01:03:06.719
It was her next logical step.

1389
01:03:06.780 --> 01:03:08.340
We've met so many Greek gods.

1390
01:03:08.400 --> 01:03:08.760
Exactly.

1391
01:03:08.820 --> 01:03:12.059
So now we have the crap joke at the end.

1392
01:03:12.239 --> 01:03:14.519
There wasn't the music, though, was it?

1393
01:03:14.579 --> 01:03:15.480
No, there wasn't the music.

1394
01:03:15.539 --> 01:03:16.800
It's not a huge crap joke.

1395
01:03:16.860 --> 01:03:32.099
Like, it's a little sort of slight joke, but, but, so Star Trek now locates humanity's development and enlightenment to the, you know, where we are, you know, to the 23rd century or whatever.

1396
01:03:32.159 --> 01:03:33.000
Do you know what I mean?

1397
01:03:33.059 --> 01:03:37.380
And this episode locates it to a 1000 years in the future.

1398
01:03:37.619 --> 01:03:39.900
A 1000 years, captain?

1399
01:03:39.960 --> 01:03:41.699
Well, it does give us a little time.

1400
01:03:41.760 --> 01:03:43.199
Yeah, yeah.

1401
01:03:43.260 --> 01:03:44.820
So that's a slightly crap job.

1402
01:03:44.880 --> 01:03:46.800
Joseph Pevney, I salute you, sir.

1403
01:03:46.860 --> 01:03:50.280
That was some fine direction. and Gene L Coon.

1404
01:03:50.340 --> 01:03:51.719
You might not be there yet.

1405
01:03:51.780 --> 01:03:54.179
But that was a good script I think.

1406
01:03:54.239 --> 01:03:57.480
Well, Gene Elcoon's producing series one.

1407
01:03:57.539 --> 01:04:02.639
Yeah, there was some real friction between him and Roddenberry. 2 ways of writing Star Trek.

1408
01:04:02.760 --> 01:04:07.800
But he, I think, is the one who created, we've said this before on the podcast.

1409
01:04:07.860 --> 01:04:12.780
He created lots and lots of elements, including like photon torpedoes in the Federation.

1410
01:04:12.840 --> 01:04:14.039
Just give you a few examples.

1411
01:04:14.099 --> 01:04:16.260
Klingons wrote Devil in the Dark.

1412
01:04:16.320 --> 01:04:16.679
Yep.

1413
01:04:16.739 --> 01:04:18.059
Rottenberry wrote justice.

1414
01:04:18.119 --> 01:04:18.960
Yeah, yeah, exactly.

1415
01:04:19.079 --> 01:04:21.780
You know, like there was there was a clear talent dividing.

1416
01:04:21.840 --> 01:04:22.260
Exactly.

1417
01:04:22.260 --> 01:04:23.400
Roddenbury knew it.

1418
01:04:23.460 --> 01:04:25.739
And that's why he wanted him removed from the show.

1419
01:04:25.800 --> 01:04:29.940
That's why in that last series, Coon is going, I'm going to see under a pseudonym, isn't it?

1420
01:04:30.000 --> 01:04:30.239
Yeah.

1421
01:04:30.239 --> 01:04:32.400
I thought that was blissful.

1422
01:04:32.519 --> 01:04:33.659
Oh, yeah, I think it's great.

1423
01:04:33.719 --> 01:04:34.739
I think it is great.

1424
01:04:34.800 --> 01:04:37.260
And, you know, it's iconic.

1425
01:04:37.320 --> 01:04:38.099
We said it before.

1426
01:04:38.159 --> 01:04:54.780
It's absolutely iconic and it's the sort of thing that Star Trek is in dialogue with over and over again in the subsequent 60 years, which is ironic because that had a lot less dialogue in it than Star Trek 60 years ago generally has.

1427
01:04:54.840 --> 01:05:03.059
Yeah, well, like, and I said before, uh, you know, we're getting moments of operation annihilate, which I don't know at all, but that's what's...

1428
01:05:03.059 --> 01:05:04.260
We're on an air base now, however.

1429
01:05:04.260 --> 01:05:06.000
Yeah, that's right.

1430
01:05:06.000 --> 01:05:06.840
In the present day.

1431
01:05:06.900 --> 01:05:08.699
I don't know what's going on.

1432
01:05:08.760 --> 01:05:12.480
It's a colony well based on an airbase, you know?

1433
01:05:12.480 --> 01:05:15.300
So...

1434
01:05:15.300 --> 01:05:17.460
There we go.

1435
01:05:17.519 --> 01:05:31.500
But, you know, like, I think perhaps the best thing to come of Arena is Dharmok, which is absolutely Star Trek, the Next Generation's answer to Arena.

1436
01:05:31.619 --> 01:05:33.059
And I don't think it works.

1437
01:05:33.119 --> 01:05:38.400
I mean, I think it works on its own terms, but it works also as something that's a dialogue to Arena.

1438
01:05:38.460 --> 01:05:51.900
So these who are brought down to the planet, the Gourn and Kirk are brought down to the planet, whereas Dathan and Picard are brought down to the planet in order to learn to cooperate to face a common adversary.

1439
01:05:51.960 --> 01:05:56.460
What's so interesting is so many of the other shows on Strange New Worlds, TNG.

1440
01:05:56.519 --> 01:05:59.159
I'm sure we could find examples in Voyager.

1441
01:05:59.219 --> 01:06:00.179
We went looking hard enough.

1442
01:06:00.239 --> 01:06:02.940
I've all tried to do their own spin on this.

1443
01:06:03.000 --> 01:06:05.940
I think the enemy in Star Trek the next year.

1444
01:06:06.000 --> 01:06:06.480
Yeah, definitely.

1445
01:06:06.599 --> 01:06:09.420
Like, I will always say this.

1446
01:06:09.480 --> 01:06:10.920
DS9 is the outlier.

1447
01:06:10.980 --> 01:06:13.199
They just would never do this story.

1448
01:06:13.260 --> 01:06:22.559
Like, the closest I think you get is walls when you have 2 enemies down on a plate, and that's just a psychological drama inside a cage, which is really dialogue.

1449
01:06:22.619 --> 01:06:24.059
No action in it hardly at all.

1450
01:06:24.119 --> 01:06:30.119
And when we visit Vasquez Rocks, it's a religious experience, finding back in boxing the profits.

1451
01:06:30.179 --> 01:06:31.139
Yeah, yeah.

1452
01:06:31.199 --> 01:06:43.739
But I think as well, terrarium, a really good episode of Strange New Worlds, but totally subverting all of your expectations of what you said to me, it was a modern day arena.

1453
01:06:43.800 --> 01:06:44.940
That's how you pitched it to me.

1454
01:06:45.000 --> 01:06:46.320
So I thought, right, great.

1455
01:06:46.380 --> 01:06:50.519
Erica's going to get her sleeves up on that planet and find them gone.

1456
01:06:50.579 --> 01:06:52.860
And then when they were sort of playing house together.

1457
01:06:52.920 --> 01:06:54.480
What is going on?

1458
01:06:54.719 --> 01:06:57.840
And then I started to be very moved by it.

1459
01:06:57.840 --> 01:07:02.099
And then fucking like, arm turned up and shot the bloody woman to death.

1460
01:07:02.099 --> 01:07:13.500
And Erica's furious, and that was a bit like the duet ending where somebody, the Erica should consider an enemy being killed and she's just deeply moved by it because they formed a connection.

1461
01:07:13.559 --> 01:07:16.920
That is Star Trek as well. so much.

1462
01:07:16.980 --> 01:07:24.539
And the lessons that you learn by close quarters with a race that you just can't communicate with properly.

1463
01:07:24.599 --> 01:07:27.420
It's amazing stuff. and it all springs from this.

1464
01:07:27.480 --> 01:07:28.980
So much.

1465
01:07:28.980 --> 01:07:30.420
Absolutely. man.

1466
01:07:30.480 --> 01:07:34.500
So iconic and hugely influential and very enjoyable.

1467
01:07:34.559 --> 01:07:36.360
Massively enjoyable.

1468
01:07:36.420 --> 01:07:38.039
Wonderful big rocks.

1469
01:07:44.880 --> 01:07:50.639
All right, it's the end of the episode and it's time for us to work out where we're going next.

1470
01:07:50.699 --> 01:07:54.480
This one was your choice, and so it's my turn.

1471
01:07:54.539 --> 01:07:58.920
We've done a reasonable amount on Kurtzman track.

1472
01:07:58.920 --> 01:07:59.460
We have.

1473
01:08:00.300 --> 01:08:13.679
I'm going to ruin it because our 2nd least covered, and it may actually be the least covered because I'm not going on completely up to date statistics is Star Trek the next generation.

1474
01:08:13.739 --> 01:08:14.699
Really?

1475
01:08:14.760 --> 01:08:15.900
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1476
01:08:15.960 --> 01:08:16.979
Second least covenant.

1477
01:08:17.039 --> 01:08:19.199
I feel like we've done so many next year.

1478
01:08:19.260 --> 01:08:20.399
It just feels like we've done.

1479
01:08:20.520 --> 01:08:28.199
Well, I mean, I will say, while Nathan's been here, we have been watching fabulous clips of Marina Surtis at a convention, you know?

1480
01:08:28.260 --> 01:08:29.039
Yeah, yeah.

1481
01:08:29.039 --> 01:08:31.979
Insulting the deaf and all sorts.

1482
01:08:32.039 --> 01:08:33.060
She is nuts.

1483
01:08:33.180 --> 01:08:38.159
So to go and see it, I mean, the irony would be is you get one of those. episodes where she doesn't appear at all.

1484
01:08:38.220 --> 01:08:40.140
Let's find that rare.

1485
01:08:40.199 --> 01:08:42.239
Let's see how we go Roll it, gatesy.

1486
01:08:45.300 --> 01:08:45.840
Oh my god.

1487
01:08:49.380 --> 01:08:50.880
No.

1488
01:08:50.880 --> 01:08:51.539
No.

1489
01:08:51.600 --> 01:08:53.100
Stop the randomiser.

1490
01:08:53.159 --> 01:08:56.520
We've got a true classic on our hands.

1491
01:08:56.579 --> 01:08:58.800
So it's season one, episode three.

1492
01:08:58.859 --> 01:09:04.439
The 1st regular episode of Star Trek, the Next Generation, the Naked Now.

1493
01:09:04.500 --> 01:09:06.840
It's got everything you could possibly want.

1494
01:09:06.899 --> 01:09:08.520
Wesley saves the ship.

1495
01:09:08.579 --> 01:09:11.100
People are frozen.

1496
01:09:11.159 --> 01:09:12.359
Everyone's having sex.

1497
01:09:12.420 --> 01:09:15.720
Robotic human relationships.

1498
01:09:15.779 --> 01:09:17.340
We could even watch.

1499
01:09:17.460 --> 01:09:21.720
We could even consider watching the naked time between now and then.

1500
01:09:21.840 --> 01:09:24.359
No, hang on. let's do the fall.

1501
01:09:24.420 --> 01:09:27.180
We'll watch the naked time and fascinations as well.

1502
01:09:27.239 --> 01:09:29.760
That's the other love virus episode.

1503
01:09:29.819 --> 01:09:30.659
Oh, okay.

1504
01:09:30.659 --> 01:09:32.159
Should we do that as sort of research?

1505
01:09:32.220 --> 01:09:32.760
Why not?

1506
01:09:32.819 --> 01:09:35.039
We'll compare, which is the best one.

1507
01:09:35.100 --> 01:09:36.060
It's the naked now.

1508
01:09:36.119 --> 01:09:38.279
I don't know what it is.

1509
01:09:38.340 --> 01:09:41.039
At least Laxana's in fascinations.

1510
01:09:41.100 --> 01:09:41.939
Yeah.

1511
01:09:41.939 --> 01:09:45.720
Um, I see some unusual parents. lots of scant in it, you know?

1512
01:09:45.779 --> 01:09:47.880
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. which is really fabulous.

1513
01:09:47.939 --> 01:09:51.539
And I can't even remember what the danger is beyond...

1514
01:09:51.539 --> 01:09:52.439
There's a big rock.

1515
01:09:52.500 --> 01:09:54.420
I think there's a big rock that's heading for the ship.

1516
01:09:54.479 --> 01:09:56.220
Yeah, or some kind of...

1517
01:09:56.220 --> 01:09:57.359
But they're all too busy fucking.

1518
01:09:57.420 --> 01:09:59.039
Yeah, or they're too drunk.

1519
01:09:59.159 --> 01:10:00.720
No, because there's that guy.

1520
01:10:00.779 --> 01:10:04.380
There's the fat guy who takes all of the isolated chips out of the thing.

1521
01:10:04.439 --> 01:10:05.880
Who's the chief engineer?

1522
01:10:05.939 --> 01:10:06.899
Yeah, he is that week.

1523
01:10:06.960 --> 01:10:08.399
He's the chief engineer that week.

1524
01:10:08.460 --> 01:10:10.020
He's in a boiler suit.

1525
01:10:10.140 --> 01:10:14.220
This is where next gen hadn't quite gotten there yet, you know?

1526
01:10:14.340 --> 01:10:15.899
Um, but funny.

1527
01:10:15.960 --> 01:10:18.479
I thought, you know, because I'm sad because we will be remote again.

1528
01:10:18.539 --> 01:10:22.619
Yeah, yeah. which is truly that's just I don't like doing that anymore.

1529
01:10:23.340 --> 01:10:27.359
I demand you move to this racist country immediately.

1530
01:10:27.960 --> 01:10:31.260
But what a way to start back.

1531
01:10:31.260 --> 01:10:31.859
Yeah, yeah.

1532
01:10:31.920 --> 01:10:33.180
Okay, that'd be fun.

1533
01:10:33.239 --> 01:10:35.640
Are you gonna be fully functional for this?

1534
01:10:35.699 --> 01:10:39.479
Yeah, I'd be well versed in a number of positions.

1535
01:10:49.260 --> 01:10:54.720
You've been listening to Untitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford and Nathan Bottomley.

1536
01:10:54.779 --> 01:11:00.539
We're online at untitledstar trekproject.com where you can find subscription links and links to our social media accounts.

1537
01:11:00.600 --> 01:11:06.119
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Ciceran, and the theme was composed by Cameron Lamb.

1538
01:11:06.180 --> 01:11:12.239
This episode was recorded on the 28th of September 2025 and released on the 10th of October.

1539
01:11:12.300 --> 01:11:17.340
We'll see you next time for Star Trek the Next Generation, The Naked Now.

1540
01:11:33.060 --> 01:11:35.340
Oh, what a great choice.

1541
01:11:35.460 --> 01:11:36.239
Oh, my God.

1542
01:11:36.300 --> 01:11:39.899
Oh, God, it is so, so terrible.

1543
01:11:41.159 --> 01:11:43.020
Oh, yeah, yeah.

1544
01:11:43.079 --> 01:11:43.319
Wait.

1545
01:11:43.439 --> 01:11:49.859
I've got a question for you For the, for the outro, yeah.

1546
01:11:49.920 --> 01:11:51.479
Okay, you ready to describe?

1547
01:11:51.539 --> 01:11:52.199
Okay.

1548
01:11:52.260 --> 01:11:53.699
The folks is going in.

1549
01:11:53.760 --> 01:11:54.840
Oh.

1550
01:11:54.840 --> 01:11:57.300
I'm not nervous now.

1551
01:11:57.359 --> 01:12:00.600
I'm not sure I can perform on these circumstances.

1552
01:12:00.659 --> 01:12:02.819
Well, do I have a question for you, though.

1553
01:12:02.880 --> 01:12:07.439
Well, you know, like the Gorn or the great lizards of Star Trek, aren't they?

1554
01:12:07.500 --> 01:12:09.000
You know, the great lizard monsters.

1555
01:12:09.060 --> 01:12:11.880
Well, what are the other great lizards in franchise?

1556
01:12:11.939 --> 01:12:12.960
Is there any in Star Wars?

1557
01:12:13.260 --> 01:12:23.760
Um, is a big lizard guy who is one of the uh, bounty hunters.

1558
01:12:24.300 --> 01:12:26.939
Is he a lizard in the cantina band?

1559
01:12:27.000 --> 01:12:27.720
No.

1560
01:12:27.779 --> 01:12:29.159
Oh, okay.

1561
01:12:29.220 --> 01:12:32.220
No, there's just those guys. wouldn't you?

1562
01:12:32.279 --> 01:12:35.939
Yeah, but it's one of the bounty hunters in Empire Strikes Back.

1563
01:12:36.000 --> 01:12:45.180
You know, there's there's some English guys and there's a robot and stuff and then there's a lizard bounty hunter, but I don't know what he's called.

1564
01:12:45.239 --> 01:12:52.020
Of course, Malcolm Hulkin, Doctor Who, uh, writes giant lizards.

1565
01:12:52.079 --> 01:12:54.779
Oh, of course, every story.

1566
01:12:55.739 --> 01:12:58.020
So they got turned into a lot of people in the new series.

1567
01:12:58.079 --> 01:13:07.319
No, but no, no, but they're still lizard, man, but Malcolm Hulk includes a lizard, a giant lizard, you remember there's fake lizards in colony in space.

1568
01:13:07.380 --> 01:13:08.279
Oh, that's right.

1569
01:13:08.279 --> 01:13:15.960
And there was originally going to be a lizard in frontier in space, but instead they couldn't do a lizard, so they've decided to do a scrotum instead.

1570
01:13:16.020 --> 01:13:17.640
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1571
01:13:17.699 --> 01:13:18.119
That's right.

1572
01:13:18.180 --> 01:13:19.619
So he's the lizard guy.

1573
01:13:19.680 --> 01:13:22.619
Paul, there are lizards in invasion of the dinosaurs.

1574
01:13:22.680 --> 01:13:23.640
I mean, they are living.

1575
01:13:23.699 --> 01:13:28.319
And there's an actual lizard in, as well as the Silurians, remember?

1576
01:13:28.380 --> 01:13:31.140
a Tyrannosaur or something.

1577
01:13:31.199 --> 01:13:44.640
If you're a sort of a Star Trek fan that's never explored, Doctor Who, I may suggest, just type in the word for Marcy and the leisure hive, and you'll see the sort of high sort of fabulous costumes that we'd normally get in, Doctor, because they're lizard people as well, aren't they?

1578
01:13:44.699 --> 01:13:53.100
But I mean, like that thing in Star Trek, the Next Generation, only 90s straight generally, where the aliens are just that Americans with like latex on their face.

1579
01:13:53.220 --> 01:13:55.020
Except the salai.

1580
01:13:55.020 --> 01:13:55.979
They're lizards.

1581
01:13:56.039 --> 01:13:57.119
Yeah, they are.

1582
01:13:57.180 --> 01:13:59.579
And there's sort of glisten, they look fabulous.

1583
01:13:59.640 --> 01:14:00.239
They're good.

1584
01:14:00.300 --> 01:14:04.560
Like the Anticans and the Seleans before they land on the just will give them an extra...

1585
01:14:04.619 --> 01:14:05.579
Did I get around the wrong way?

1586
01:14:05.640 --> 01:14:06.359
I don't know.

1587
01:14:06.420 --> 01:14:10.439
No, no, I think the Anticans are the...

1588
01:14:10.560 --> 01:14:11.640
That's Markalemo.

1589
01:14:12.180 --> 01:14:15.119
No, no, Soleil.

1590
01:14:15.239 --> 01:14:16.500
They've got those dreadful.

1591
01:14:16.560 --> 01:14:24.060
You know, the things you get at music festivals, the sort of hoops on the end of a stick that glows.

1592
01:14:24.060 --> 01:14:29.100
And he throws it over Riker's neck and he goes, oh, sorry, rang species.

1593
01:14:30.720 --> 01:14:32.100
Right.

1594
01:14:32.159 --> 01:14:34.500
Yeah, I think this is actually pretty hard.

1595
01:14:34.619 --> 01:14:37.020
They're high effort, aren't they, Lizards?

1596
01:14:37.079 --> 01:14:44.579
Yeah, but it's not the sort of, it's not the sort of thing that you do in the 90s after, like, because there's also the fish people.

1597
01:14:44.640 --> 01:14:48.600
Remember the fish people with it's Mick Fleetwood as a giant fish?

1598
01:14:49.079 --> 01:14:51.960
You know, I think that's in series 2, isn't it?

1599
01:14:52.020 --> 01:14:54.420
Well, yes, Dr. Pulaski feeds them a load of fish.

1600
01:14:54.420 --> 01:14:56.399
Yeah, and they sort of wobble in the...

1601
01:14:56.460 --> 01:14:56.760
That's right.

1602
01:14:57.420 --> 01:14:57.899
They're terrible.

1603
01:14:57.960 --> 01:15:00.659
And wharf says they're beautiful.

1604
01:15:00.720 --> 01:15:01.319
This is very funny.

1605
01:15:01.439 --> 01:15:02.520
Wolf, you're in love.

1606
01:15:03.180 --> 01:15:07.079
It turns out those fish were a load of assassin.

1607
01:15:07.140 --> 01:15:08.159
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right.

1608
01:15:08.220 --> 01:15:09.239
They were going to blow up someone.

1609
01:15:09.300 --> 01:15:10.800
Fucking flea wood.

1610
01:15:10.800 --> 01:15:11.939
I know, what not?

1611
01:15:12.000 --> 01:15:12.300
Sikes.

1612
01:15:12.359 --> 01:15:21.060
But do you ever remember the snake monster in Buffy, where it was sort of a physical prop, which they had on the end of series three?

1613
01:15:21.119 --> 01:15:22.260
That's in series 5.

1614
01:15:22.500 --> 01:15:27.119
It's a snake that's going after Joyce, you know, who's got having brain tumours and things.

1615
01:15:27.180 --> 01:15:27.720
Oh, okay.

1616
01:15:27.720 --> 01:15:29.220
It's on a hydraulic lift.

1617
01:15:29.279 --> 01:15:31.680
And so they sort of can lift up the physical prop.

1618
01:15:31.739 --> 01:15:35.159
So he's sort of hissing and rearing in the air.

1619
01:15:35.220 --> 01:15:43.020
Well, then it cuts to really primitive CGI. where it's slivering in long shot and it just looks so terrible.

1620
01:15:43.079 --> 01:15:43.859
Yeah.

1621
01:15:43.920 --> 01:16:03.060
Well, I mean, I mean, the way they're going look now, where it's a combination of puppets and animatronics and, you know, like an actor in a suit, and particularly in terrarium, where, like, they even give her a broken leg so that she doesn't move around very much, so he's just the thing in the suit. terrarium.

1622
01:16:03.119 --> 01:16:04.199
I did say to you, didn't I?

1623
01:16:04.260 --> 01:16:07.260
The, the, the, the face, and that.

1624
01:16:07.319 --> 01:16:15.359
It was all, it was much less mobile than they were in all the other, but they're hissing and screaming and salivas coming out and they're attacking people.

1625
01:16:15.420 --> 01:16:19.920
I think that was to make the link between that and arena.

1626
01:16:19.979 --> 01:16:21.899
Oh, yeah, also, it's still great.

1627
01:16:21.960 --> 01:16:23.939
I think it was to humanise it a little bit too.

1628
01:16:24.000 --> 01:16:25.319
Yeah, yeah.

1629
01:16:25.319 --> 01:16:26.819
Well, and it's got a hood over its head.

1630
01:16:26.880 --> 01:16:27.720
Yeah, yeah.

1631
01:16:27.720 --> 01:16:31.079
I mean, I've got to say, though, the puppets are my favourite Australian world.

1632
01:16:31.140 --> 01:16:35.819
The CGI is great, but when the puppet comes up in the screen, throw it in your face.

1633
01:16:35.880 --> 01:16:36.840
It's generally that thing.

1634
01:16:36.899 --> 01:16:48.060
Like if they haven't tried to do like a pure CGI monster like they did with the Species 8472 back in Voyager, that they've decided that mostly puppets are what works.

1635
01:16:48.119 --> 01:16:54.659
No, no, they weren't listeners, but they were the 1st kind of completely CGI, you know, Star Trek Alien.

1636
01:16:54.720 --> 01:17:10.020
But the, the Gauns are mostly props, and it is only when they're kind of moving, doing like that quick movement, or whatever, or when, you know, the one in the, like the one in the, in the spacesuit, in Hegemony part one.

1637
01:17:10.079 --> 01:17:14.579
Like that's like in close-up is a puppet, isn't it?

1638
01:17:14.640 --> 01:17:16.079
I would imagine so, yeah.

1639
01:17:16.140 --> 01:17:16.979
But...

1640
01:17:16.979 --> 01:17:17.880
The difference is so.

1641
01:17:18.000 --> 01:17:28.560
It's like, you know, nowadays they wouldn't do what they did in arena, they wouldn't have, you know, whopping great close-ups for them in the sunlight because then you can see just how shitty those costumes are.

1642
01:17:28.619 --> 01:17:29.760
In fact, yes, that's right.

1643
01:17:29.819 --> 01:17:32.220
Now they can edit and light and shoot.

1644
01:17:32.340 --> 01:17:34.319
So we're sort of getting enough.

1645
01:17:34.319 --> 01:17:35.640
And it's so fast.

1646
01:17:35.640 --> 01:17:37.979
And terrarium is very dark.

1647
01:17:38.100 --> 01:17:39.359
It's very dark.

1648
01:17:39.420 --> 01:17:40.739
So it does.

1649
01:17:41.520 --> 01:17:42.840
I think that was a deliver...

1650
01:17:42.899 --> 01:17:43.500
Oh, yeah.

1651
01:17:43.560 --> 01:17:48.239
Like, I think it's deliberately trying to contrast a arena, but I think it also helps to hide the puppet.

1652
01:17:48.300 --> 01:17:53.100
There are any future producers of science fiction listening to this?

1653
01:17:53.340 --> 01:18:00.840
Doubtful, but if there are, you know, if you're going to do lizards, one, make them puppets, and two, make a dock.

1654
01:18:00.899 --> 01:18:01.319
Yeah.

1655
01:18:01.380 --> 01:18:02.100
Yeah.

1656
01:18:05.159 --> 01:18:07.560
I just wanted to talk about... no, that's awesome.

1657
01:18:07.619 --> 01:18:09.659
It's been the lizard.

1658
01:18:09.720 --> 01:18:14.100
It's been like...

1659
01:18:14.460 --> 01:18:16.439
Oh, my God.

1660
01:18:16.500 --> 01:18:17.760
And we'd have to miss a week.

1661
01:18:17.880 --> 01:18:18.960
As well.

1662
01:18:19.020 --> 01:18:21.239
You can have your own day and we don't miss a week.

1663
01:18:21.300 --> 01:18:22.319
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.