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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So we're back.

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We're together again.

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And it's Festival of the Gorn here on Untitled Star Trek Project.

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So last time.

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We did hegemony Parts one and two, which is the big gone 2 parter

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in Strange New World.

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Yes.

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And immediately after that, the 1st thing that you rolled was

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Arena.

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So this is Arena, Star Trek, the original series, series one

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episode 18, depending on how you count, and it was 1st broadcast

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on the 19th of January 1967.

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Good grief.

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I mean, I wasn't even a sparkle in my mother's eye.

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I wasn't either.

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Oh, no, you came in at the last episode.

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I did.

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I did.

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That's a theme of your visit here has been enormous lizards.

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So...

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May I say that every single enormous lizard episode we've watched

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I've enjoyed immensely.

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Yeah.

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So, uh, we also watched terrarium, which was series 3 just now.

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Which is series three, episode 9 of Strange New World. which is in

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many ways a kind of remake.

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Favoritual successor?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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But have they figured out how to make Star Trek?

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Yeah.

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So, like, I think it's impossible to overstate how important Arena

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is to Star Trek.

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Yeah, influence is everywhere.

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Yeah.

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So it's part of the sort of Star Trek folk memory.

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I mean, when people think about Vasquez rocks, It's that episode

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they're thinking of more than all of the other times that they

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show.

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Oh my god, that's the place where they shot shadows and symbols.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Well, they might have...

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They might have...

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But I think Vazquez Rox is the home of the Gorn, really.

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And we don't have the corn in the 90s until Enterprise when

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Enterprise starts to go crazy.

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I don't think they're confident that they can do the animatronics

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justice and they're probably right.

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I think too, it's just sort of part of that thing that Star Trek

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the Next Generation, does of trying to move away from original

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Trek in all sorts of ways.

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It's not until Manikoto comes in on enterprise and goes, well, I

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mean, we're doing a pre-TOS series.

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Why the fuck have we not done the gore?

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Yeah, we, yeah, we, why aren't we doing Tellerrides?

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Why aren't there more Vulcans, you know?

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They still wait till we're in an alternative universe, though

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surrounded by a folian web.

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Exactly. just one before that.

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But this is a very odd episode.

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I think, because it's when Star Trek hasn't quite decided what it

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is yet, we're determined the galactic barrier yet.

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I can't remember, actually.

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No, I think that doesn't come till Star Trek five.

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There was a few things.

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There was a few things when we were watching this and I was

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looking at you like, what?

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Like, this is not what Star Trek lands on.

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No, no.

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So I think probably the most telling thing is there's a bit of

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dialogue which suggests that there's an area of space that's under

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federation control, and this is the 1st time we hear about the

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federation, and that enterprise is the ship that is patrolling it

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you know.

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Policing.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, that's right.

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What is this, the bill in the future?

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Yeah, yeah.

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And so Kirk is determined to kill the gore, you know, and that's

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what easy to run.

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Upholding those federation values.

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No, they took out a colony, right?

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So we've got to go and kill them.

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Yeah.

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And it's not, like, it's not entirely on Kirkside.

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The narrative isn't entirely on Kirkside, and we'll talk about

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that, but it is an odd thing.

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And so then they get put on a planet, you know, the 2 captains

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Kirk and the Gorn captain get put on the planet and have to find

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it out.

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And it's an episode that is really memorable, I think, just

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because of the gone, like it's not the sort of thing that Star

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Trek attempts very much.

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No, and visually, it's extremely memorable.

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We will laugh a lot in this episode, okay?

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That moving jaw when he does something else.

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So great.

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It does blink, though, you know, in the new version.

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In the new version, sorry.

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But also there's just some incredible location work as well.

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Oh gorgeous.

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And the location work at the start of the episode as well. which I

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think is in a different place, you said.

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Yeah, yeah.

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So it's the Planet Cestus 3.

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And so it's a colony, but apparently it's the remains of a set

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that was used in a film in the 1930s and it was the Alamo.

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You're joking. apparently.

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The Alamo, apparently.

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Well, why aren't Miles and Julian heading straight to Cesters

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free?

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That's right.

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So it's redressed slightly and it is a really, really memorable

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location.

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And they also just use...

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Yeah, it's huge, massive.

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And they use heaps of pyrotechnics as well.

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Boy, do they?

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So much so, I think.

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We were fearing for William Shatner's life because at one point

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he's clearly doing a roll forward and this enormous gout of flame

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nearly takes him out.

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Well, the memory alpha page claims that Shatner still suffers from

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tinnitus as well.

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He just wanted to...

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Of course he is.

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He's on a retainer ever since.

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But I think both Leonard and Dee also suffered.

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As a result.

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So it was pretty, it was a pretty big deal.

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And it's easy to imagine because they weren't sort of particularly

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careful, I think, even with their big stars in the in the 60s.

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But it's so unusual as well because we always say, don't we?

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You know, at 50 minutes or rather, you know, Scott McNulty always

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says, at 50 minutes, Trek is always too long and it's usually

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because there's a ton of very wordy scenes.

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About two-thirds of this is action.

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Yeah, which is that's cinema, right?

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That's not TV. and it's in a cinema location as well because

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they've shot Westerns there too.

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So they they're pushing the boat out here.

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I think in terms of what TV can do in the 60s.

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Yeah, there's a big bit in the middle that's all just kind of said

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on the ship.

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You know, you've got the initial thing in Cestus 3.

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It does take us a while to get to the Gorn, so we're about halfway

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through before we end up on the asteroid where they're gone and

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Captain Kirk have to find.

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But, you know, despite how odd it seems, and how only half formed

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it is as Star Trek, it's the 18th Star Trek episode ever to be

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broadcast, you know, and we're now up to 960 something.

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It's that thing when a show is forming and they're just trying

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lots of different things.

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Like in a few episodes time, you get, God, what's the one with the

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water?

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Devil in the dark.

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And where they've sort of landed.

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That's Gene Coon as well.

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And that's less we're going to go and kill that flying Frisbee and

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we're going to try and empathise with it and understand it and see

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why it's killing people.

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So it is a show that's forming.

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But I do like that they're trying lots of different versions of

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Star Trek to see what sort of sticks.

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Yeah And as I said, I think Kirk is a little bit Captain Ahab in

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that scene, and I don't think that the narrative sides with him

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completely, because you've got Spock and Ahura's reaction, and

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you've got his final decision where he isn't going to kill the

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goal.

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You know me. a bit of a sadist.

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I was hoping that knife was coming down, but no, it's still Star

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Trek.

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We would never have liked him.

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Well, no, because they did do that in terrarium, where it was the

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other way around.

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There was no fighting going on in the whole episode, and then at

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the end... and blows her away.

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Yeah, I was like, oh, that's me.

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Actually, the biggest difference, ship side, I realised between

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arena and terrarium was in arena.

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There was a lot of scenes of Spock, McCoy and Scottie just

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standing around going, well, there's nothing we can do.

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We'll have to just wait until, you know, he's in a big area of

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space, who knows where, in terrarium.

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They were literally all of them chipping in to try and figure out

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where she was.

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They were putting the ship in a wormhole, like, do you know what I

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mean?

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The show's moved on to a point where everybody is utilised to try

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and be part of the solution.

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And, of course, that episode has 2 friends for Erica, it has Mrs

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Gorn down on the planet, and it has agreed.

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And it has Ahura, you know, like it has Ahura, who the episode

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really focusses on.

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She's the secondary focus of the episode.

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So, please, I got to see her hair, all our fabulous.

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Yeah, yeah.

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After the weird.

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She's no longer Mrs. Conehead. at the start of the season.

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But also as well, like you've mentioned off mic.

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Obviously, Dharmok is the spiritual successor to this as well

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where it starts off very like arena.

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They've both got weapons.

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They're clearly supposed to fight each other.

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That's the idea.

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That's why they fell on the planet.

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Or they think that as well, don't they?

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initially.

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They think that, but Dathan, the captain, doesn't think that the

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captain who brought them down there has brought them down to fight

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together.

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The way that they learn to communicate with each other and the

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just the very moving way, then the heat saves Picard.

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And I mean, you were in tears at the end of that episode.

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Now you weren't quite as moved by the end, by the end of

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terrarium.

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But that again is doing the same thing, isn't it?

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is you think this is going to be Arena. and they're deliberately

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making you think that because at the end, a fucking sparkly dress

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appears out of the Eva, and it's the Metron's come back to...

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We're still observing you in the gauds.

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We're not entirely sure, you know, I'll take the data back and

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we'll be back in for the next series of Star Trek. if we can do

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this all over again.

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But I did...

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I mean, I loved Interior in that approach of just building a

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relationship between Erica and the Gaunt because it's the last

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thing you would ever imagine happening.

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Well, in fact, I think one of the things that makes terrarium

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superior to this, and obviously it's not as iconic as this or as

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memorable as this.

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No, but because you've given Erica an established relationship

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with the gore.

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And apparently Captain Kirk doesn't know what the Gorn is.

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So clearly all of those times Jim goes on to the enterprise. before

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he becomes the captain, he's always there, but no one seems to

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have ever mentioned the Gordon Twitter.

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I think in a little scene afterwards.

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We didn't see it.

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It was after the terrible joke at the end, he went, my God, there's

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this whole party in the database about the Gauls.

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Oh, for God's sake, couldn't someone send that down to me?

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No, I think Jim would say, oh, that's right.

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I remember, that was her entire backstory, wasn't it?

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I mean, I was very surprised in this episode as well.

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How many of his clothes that William Shatner kept on.

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But it was in the sun.

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I'm sorry he didn't want a sunstroke or anything like that.

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Well, normally it needs no excuse at all to get his kit off, does

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he?

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Yeah, yeah.

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But it's early days, yeah.

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It's before he goes quite as mad as he ends up going.

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And as well as being memorable, iconic, fun, all those things.

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And I think a good use of 50 minutes.

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I didn't think it tracked for me.

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I actually think as well, it wins the recipient of the Star Trek

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episode.

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I mean, there's a high accolade, this of the best ever enormous

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polystyrene rocks.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Because there's one sequence where you can hear it tearing apart

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as shutters, desperately trying to pretend that he's shoving it.

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I think, like, are there three?

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I think there are three, there's at least 2 massive rocks.

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One tiny one, he catapults.

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No, no, no, he hurts it above his head.

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I think it may be a rock when he froze it, but it's certainly

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jabberlite when it ends.

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No, no, he's doing this is heavy acting.

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It's definitely jab-lite.

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I mean, I'll say before we go in, this is iconic for a reason.

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Oh, yeah.

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You know, I'm like fucking gold costume.

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We will get some laughter out of that.

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But I just kept thinking, my God, this is so well shot.

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For 60s television.

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It's amazing.

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Stylish as fuck.

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Yeah.

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I mean, we've said this thing about Star Trek, the original

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series.

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Half the time you tune in, you kind of go, whoever thought this

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was fit for broadcast, and then sometimes you get something like

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this, which is cheesy and ridiculous in all sorts of ways.

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But God, it looks amazing.

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I think it's a time thing, you know.

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I think one and at least half of 2 falls into the 1st bracket

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there.

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Now, the 2nd bracket, sorry.

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And then three, most are three, and half of two, is where it sort

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of starts, they start shipping out, you know, and they're not

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trying as hard.

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I would like to say as well that, Berman, what were you thinking

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man, with the music?

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The music in this?

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It's doing so much work.

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It's so great.

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It's, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun.

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You know, loads of drums and bass and it's really kicking the

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action onwards.

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How do we get from that to that strings wallpaper?

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Yeah, you know, yeah.

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The cliffhanger's due.

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Someone put a note in, you know?

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right.

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That's right.

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It's unbelievable.

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The lessons that they unlearned from the original.

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I mean, they came in with the terrible shitty studio sets, didn't

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they, in TNG?

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And then, yeah, and then they just decided, no, we don't want that

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exciting music, you know.

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In fact, season two, we don't even want to go out on location.

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Exactly. just do it once to ride a horse.

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That's it.

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It's bizarre, isn't it?

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Because it's all there on the screen.

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Like, what works?

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Yeah, yeah.

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Should we see what works?

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Yeah, I think we should.

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I'm really looking forward.

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All right.

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It's the last time you have to see the mouse, you know.

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Okay.

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I will count it in. let's go Wait, five, four, three, two, one, and

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we're off.

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We are off with the Edth prize looking sexy as hell.

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Well, this is the remastered version and the original Cester 3 was

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just that standard red planet with no features on it.

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I mean, just already, yeah.

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Look at all the lovely colours in the screen.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Enterprise take note.

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This is a very strange beginning because they're talking.

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They're looking forward to going down to Cester 3 because they

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know that the Commodore, Commodore Travers, and he puts on a

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really good meal and they're excited to go down there.

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Is that what?

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That is...

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That's where the baseball team was.

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The pipes is the pioneers.

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Not yet.

347
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They were hoping to have a meal and catch the baseball.

348
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Yeah, perhaps.

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No, so there's only one colony at this point on Cestus 3, but

350
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Cestus 3 does get a lot of mentions in Deep Space 9.

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Ron Moore is so hard for Cestus free.

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It's untrue.

353
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It's definitely a test, you know.

354
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Of course, I want to speak to Captain Curr, about fighting the

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corn.

356
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Can I say whoever did the eye makeup for this episode?

357
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Honestly, all of these men are looking very metrosexual and I'm

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here for it.

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So you missed you missed McCoy doing a racism just now.

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Where there's so many.

361
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Was it about ears?

362
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Yes, it was.

363
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You bet your pointy ears it was.

364
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All right.

365
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So now we're down on Cestus 3.

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It's great.

367
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So, I mean, there's just no way they could have afforded to have

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done this, is there?

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The background has all mattered in because they were actually

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houses visible from this.

371
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Oh okay.

372
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And originally there was just a bit of tinfoil over that part of

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the, oh, wonderful.

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So I've seen the screenshot.

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It is...

376
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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But I mean, it is still this huge expansive location that they

378
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absolutely make the most of.

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Well, because it comes in on almost like their feet and then comes

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up so you can see and then falls back.

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So it's like, wow, this is a cenar.

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And it's pretty hard to escape the feeling that the, um, big, the

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shot going into the opening credits of Best of Both Worlds, part

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one is based on their memory of this Sister 3 thing.

385
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It's obviously more impressive.

386
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Are we?

387
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We're doing it again. after the drama, after the attack.

388
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Let's have gone.

389
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They're too expensive to stream.

390
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Strange new wells.

391
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You could have afforded to do it.

392
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Why did you just show?

393
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Oh, look, here we go.

394
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But this...

395
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No, that's not in the original.

396
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I bet it does look great.

397
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Oh, look, they're hiding behind the big jabber like rock already.

398
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There's lots of them here.

399
00:17:10.859 --> 00:17:13.680
But it's not here that they come back to you for the fight, is

400
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it?

401
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Some unnamed asteroids.

402
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

403
00:17:16.440 --> 00:17:19.380
It looks like... right.

404
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Yeah.

405
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Yeah.

406
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But I mean, look what they've done.

407
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There's like smoke everywhere.

408
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They've kind of scattered debris everywhere.

409
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They've dressed the location.

410
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I mean, need I remind you of some of those studios that's in

411
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series 3 that we've seen?

412
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Oh, yeah, yeah, terrible.

413
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But this looks fantastic.

414
00:17:34.859 --> 00:17:37.799
It's an effect with those big rocks up on the plane.

415
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I know, they put big rocks up on that.

416
00:17:39.660 --> 00:17:40.079
That's amazing.

417
00:17:40.140 --> 00:17:41.039
I think that's what they've done.

418
00:17:41.099 --> 00:17:42.779
And look all the wreckage everywhere.

419
00:17:42.839 --> 00:17:43.259
Yeah, yeah.

420
00:17:43.319 --> 00:17:45.960
Yeah, they've gone to a lot of effort. it looks great.

421
00:17:46.019 --> 00:17:47.160
Oh my god.

422
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People dying.

423
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They've been exploded.

424
00:17:49.680 --> 00:17:53.099
So this guy, I don't, is he Trevor?

425
00:17:53.160 --> 00:17:54.299
Like, is he the Commodore?

426
00:17:54.359 --> 00:17:55.980
I don't even know. he given a name?

427
00:17:56.039 --> 00:17:56.700
Oh, no.

428
00:17:56.700 --> 00:18:00.059
They were expecting a barbeque and he's been barbecued.

429
00:18:00.119 --> 00:18:01.019
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

430
00:18:01.079 --> 00:18:02.039
He's horribly burned.

431
00:18:02.099 --> 00:18:03.359
These are hilarious.

432
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There's a moment later where McCoy says right in front of him, oh

433
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you know, he'll be dead in half an hour.

434
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We don't get a thing.

435
00:18:11.220 --> 00:18:12.119
And he doesn't react.

436
00:18:12.180 --> 00:18:12.839
He doesn't say what?

437
00:18:13.200 --> 00:18:14.759
Excuse me.

438
00:18:14.819 --> 00:18:15.539
I feel okay.

439
00:18:15.599 --> 00:18:18.960
You better get that fucking shit here. fast, all right?

440
00:18:19.019 --> 00:18:21.059
Otherwise you're never getting that meal.

441
00:18:21.119 --> 00:18:22.799
No, it's not him.

442
00:18:22.859 --> 00:18:25.980
I said, oh, now this, I do love these extreme close-ops we're

443
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getting. you know, we were always like, oh, that bit of war is

444
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terrible. pointed that out, didn't I?

445
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It's a perfectly hexagon cut in the door.

446
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That's the door.

447
00:18:34.440 --> 00:18:36.059
That's the door. okay.

448
00:18:36.119 --> 00:18:38.819
So we've got 3 red shirts.

449
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Only one of them is a red shirt and here he is just being killed.

450
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He's just been disintegrated.

451
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Why does nobody refuse to wear red?

452
00:18:45.359 --> 00:18:47.279
Yeah, but the other 2 aren't safe.

453
00:18:47.339 --> 00:18:49.140
One's wearing golden ones wearing blue.

454
00:18:49.920 --> 00:18:52.859
Yeah, I think they're the tactical people or something.

455
00:18:52.920 --> 00:18:55.019
It just leaned on that rock and it moved.

456
00:18:55.079 --> 00:18:56.579
Yeah, same.

457
00:18:56.640 --> 00:19:00.119
Oh, now, we noticed that Sulu was wearing lovely...

458
00:19:00.180 --> 00:19:02.400
He's got lovely eye makeup except in the final scene.

459
00:19:02.460 --> 00:19:04.500
What's the fellow's name on the other con?

460
00:19:04.559 --> 00:19:07.740
Uh, oh, so that's De Paul.

461
00:19:07.799 --> 00:19:09.119
That's his new boyfriend I think.

462
00:19:09.180 --> 00:19:10.680
I think he's got, well, no, not yet.

463
00:19:10.740 --> 00:19:14.039
He's put the eye makeup on...

464
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That in his eyelids.

465
00:19:15.240 --> 00:19:17.880
So then when they're hanging around later, waiting for Kirk to

466
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come back.

467
00:19:18.240 --> 00:19:23.460
So I thought that De Paul looked particularly familiar, and so I

468
00:19:23.460 --> 00:19:26.759
checked him up and he is in a taste of Armageddon, which is around

469
00:19:26.759 --> 00:19:30.599
about this time, but I don't know it very well at all.

470
00:19:30.599 --> 00:19:38.160
But also, he looks really similar to the guy who played Pike.

471
00:19:39.059 --> 00:19:41.400
Oh, in the man, no, in the cage.

472
00:19:41.460 --> 00:19:44.940
Yeah, the guy, and he looks really very, very much like him.

473
00:19:44.940 --> 00:19:52.200
And it turns out, he plays burnt to a crisp pie in your wheelchair

474
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in the menagerie and they cast him.

475
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They did that 1st and they said, look, you can have 2 episodes out

476
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of the makeup.

477
00:19:59.519 --> 00:20:00.779
That's what?

478
00:20:00.839 --> 00:20:01.440
That's crazy.

479
00:20:01.500 --> 00:20:03.720
But you wait and look at him because he really, really does look

480
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like that guy.

481
00:20:04.559 --> 00:20:05.400
Oh, take it.

482
00:20:05.460 --> 00:20:08.700
At the moment, I'm impressed by these amazing pyrotechnics.

483
00:20:08.759 --> 00:20:09.180
I know.

484
00:20:09.180 --> 00:20:11.519
As enormous mushrooms for flavour.

485
00:20:11.579 --> 00:20:12.960
I know, it's wonderful, isn't it?

486
00:20:13.019 --> 00:20:13.859
It's so exciting.

487
00:20:13.920 --> 00:20:18.480
I did see a slight look of panic on Leonard's face there for a

488
00:20:18.480 --> 00:20:19.319
2nd.

489
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But its Vulcan resolve was broken a little bit.

490
00:20:23.339 --> 00:20:26.579
Just you wait because Shatner's about to do a big hit of

491
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somersault.

492
00:20:27.240 --> 00:20:30.720
An incredible stunt. clearly him because you can see his face.

493
00:20:30.779 --> 00:20:34.559
I think it is him There are latest scenes where I think I can

494
00:20:34.559 --> 00:20:37.559
detect the stunt double, but I thought that that was just kind of

495
00:20:37.559 --> 00:20:39.000
Shatner fucking going for it.

496
00:20:39.119 --> 00:20:41.579
I love this when I cut to that stock shop.

497
00:20:43.019 --> 00:20:44.940
Over there in the rock somewhere, you know?

498
00:20:44.940 --> 00:20:45.660
get that twice.

499
00:20:45.720 --> 00:20:48.000
Spock, that is a lovely shade of ice.

500
00:20:48.059 --> 00:20:50.460
Well, he often wears eye shadows. matches his top.

501
00:20:50.519 --> 00:20:51.539
Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.

502
00:20:52.140 --> 00:20:53.880
Yeah, here we go.

503
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Watch, watch closely.

504
00:20:55.799 --> 00:20:56.940
That's still here.

505
00:20:56.940 --> 00:20:58.319
That's definitely Shatner.

506
00:20:58.380 --> 00:20:59.460
That might not.

507
00:20:59.579 --> 00:21:00.059
No, it is.

508
00:21:00.119 --> 00:21:01.019
That's definitely him.

509
00:21:01.079 --> 00:21:02.220
That's definitely.

510
00:21:02.339 --> 00:21:04.319
And literally, there's rocks blowing all about it.

511
00:21:04.619 --> 00:21:07.920
This might be the 1st case of blowing rocks, you know.

512
00:21:07.980 --> 00:21:10.559
Yeah, this might be where it gets his tin of the strong.

513
00:21:10.619 --> 00:21:12.059
He seems to be behind a sofa now.

514
00:21:12.119 --> 00:21:13.740
You know, it's like...

515
00:21:13.740 --> 00:21:14.819
It does look like I said.

516
00:21:14.880 --> 00:21:17.339
A bad old settee, though. look at look at him.

517
00:21:17.400 --> 00:21:17.759
Look at him.

518
00:21:17.819 --> 00:21:22.079
Don't you think he looks like he looks like the guy who plays?

519
00:21:22.140 --> 00:21:23.039
Oh my god.

520
00:21:23.099 --> 00:21:23.640
Yeah.

521
00:21:23.700 --> 00:21:24.900
Oh, the blue eyes and everything.

522
00:21:24.960 --> 00:21:27.359
Oh, wonder, Sulu's dressing up.

523
00:21:28.140 --> 00:21:32.039
Do you think this is the guy he has the kid with?

524
00:21:32.039 --> 00:21:32.759
No, I don't know.

525
00:21:33.299 --> 00:21:36.960
I think he's not Starfleet, actually, his husband did.

526
00:21:37.019 --> 00:21:39.359
Not entirenished or he's gay at this point either.

527
00:21:39.420 --> 00:21:40.920
He doesn't think he was.

528
00:21:41.099 --> 00:21:43.200
George, come on now.

529
00:21:43.259 --> 00:21:45.299
I know, I know, but he was the 16.

530
00:21:45.539 --> 00:21:48.119
I know, but he also wants to think he can also play straight

531
00:21:48.119 --> 00:21:49.200
people, I think, probably.

532
00:21:49.259 --> 00:21:50.700
You know, it was the 60s.

533
00:21:50.759 --> 00:21:52.859
Everything was game.

534
00:21:53.160 --> 00:21:54.539
Okay.

535
00:21:54.599 --> 00:21:57.539
Now that is definitely the stunt double.

536
00:21:57.599 --> 00:21:59.640
Back to Shatner. right.

537
00:21:59.700 --> 00:22:01.619
Look at the I make up.

538
00:22:01.680 --> 00:22:02.640
Oh boy.

539
00:22:02.700 --> 00:22:04.619
I think he's looking pretty fine.

540
00:22:04.740 --> 00:22:05.279
Yeah, wasn't it?

541
00:22:05.279 --> 00:22:05.460
Yeah.

542
00:22:05.519 --> 00:22:06.599
Oh, he's a very pretty man.

543
00:22:06.660 --> 00:22:08.700
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

544
00:22:08.759 --> 00:22:11.099
I'm not sure he's the world's finest actor.

545
00:22:11.160 --> 00:22:14.700
Later on when he's older and they ask him to come back and do

546
00:22:14.700 --> 00:22:19.380
better as bits and bob seeds, a little mannered. shall we?

547
00:22:19.440 --> 00:22:20.099
Yes, yeah, yeah.

548
00:22:20.160 --> 00:22:22.079
That way episode where, you know, the Voyager one where they're

549
00:22:22.079 --> 00:22:24.119
bringing in, what's her name?

550
00:22:24.180 --> 00:22:25.200
Grace Whitney.

551
00:22:25.259 --> 00:22:26.160
Oh my god.

552
00:22:26.220 --> 00:22:29.279
Well, she makes him look like an Oscar with him.

553
00:22:29.339 --> 00:22:29.819
She does.

554
00:22:29.819 --> 00:22:32.640
A triple Oscar.

555
00:22:33.359 --> 00:22:36.660
You know, the stump troubles, they do all the work and then he

556
00:22:36.660 --> 00:22:39.240
just comes into shot as if he's the hero.

557
00:22:39.299 --> 00:22:40.019
Yeah, that's right.

558
00:22:40.079 --> 00:22:40.559
Look at me.

559
00:22:40.619 --> 00:22:41.819
Did you see me do that big role?

560
00:22:42.000 --> 00:22:44.460
Oh look at the state of his face.

561
00:22:44.519 --> 00:22:48.059
It's much worse, I think, when they get him back on board the

562
00:22:48.059 --> 00:22:48.720
Enterprise.

563
00:22:48.779 --> 00:22:52.740
Not as bad as the faces of that man who have melted in the other

564
00:22:52.740 --> 00:22:55.259
corn episode we watched last time. right.

565
00:22:55.380 --> 00:22:59.579
I mean, that's all Strange New World innovations, right?

566
00:22:59.640 --> 00:23:01.079
Turning people into food.

567
00:23:01.140 --> 00:23:01.799
Yeah, all of that.

568
00:23:01.859 --> 00:23:03.119
This is the only go on episode.

569
00:23:05.700 --> 00:23:07.319
Two explosions.

570
00:23:07.319 --> 00:23:09.420
All moment off, and clearly...

571
00:23:09.420 --> 00:23:11.220
He's just falling over for no reason now.

572
00:23:11.279 --> 00:23:13.980
There's no things just like, oh, shit, I should have fallen over.

573
00:23:14.039 --> 00:23:18.599
Unfortunately, he was literally covered in soot. as he was falling

574
00:23:18.599 --> 00:23:20.940
into that and now his uniform is perfect.

575
00:23:21.000 --> 00:23:23.940
Oh, and now let's try.

576
00:23:24.000 --> 00:23:25.380
I don't need that anymore. not working.

577
00:23:25.440 --> 00:23:25.859
No.

578
00:23:25.859 --> 00:23:26.700
Close it up.

579
00:23:26.759 --> 00:23:28.500
It's not blowing it up.

580
00:23:28.559 --> 00:23:31.740
You've got this fucking massive cannon with these blue bombs.

581
00:23:31.799 --> 00:23:33.299
It's billiards.

582
00:23:33.359 --> 00:23:35.400
Give me a hand with this grenade launcher.

583
00:23:35.460 --> 00:23:38.160
I mean, we wouldn't be doing this in latter Star Trek, would we?

584
00:23:38.220 --> 00:23:39.180
Grenade launches.

585
00:23:39.240 --> 00:23:43.079
But I think it's just that, you know, they want to do they want to

586
00:23:43.079 --> 00:23:47.099
do explosions in this scene. standard issue, Starfleet equipment.

587
00:23:47.160 --> 00:23:48.599
Well, I think it was lying around.

588
00:23:48.660 --> 00:23:50.700
I don't think any of them brought them.

589
00:23:50.759 --> 00:23:51.839
Oh, I thought that was so.

590
00:23:51.900 --> 00:23:53.400
Oh, okay, okay.

591
00:23:53.519 --> 00:23:56.039
An evaluation, Mr. Keller, before you die.

592
00:23:56.099 --> 00:23:58.319
So, wait, do we see a Kellowitz die?

593
00:23:58.380 --> 00:23:58.859
I can't remember.

594
00:23:58.920 --> 00:24:00.660
We don't get that special effect. game.

595
00:24:00.720 --> 00:24:02.220
They'll stock shot the rocks again.

596
00:24:02.279 --> 00:24:02.880
Yeah, yeah.

597
00:24:02.880 --> 00:24:04.440
Again, some money out.

598
00:24:04.500 --> 00:24:07.200
I don't actually remember if he actually sets off any of these

599
00:24:07.200 --> 00:24:08.160
blue bombs, does he?

600
00:24:08.220 --> 00:24:08.940
Yeah, he does.

601
00:24:10.380 --> 00:24:10.680
Yeah.

602
00:24:13.259 --> 00:24:15.779
Huge marbles. don't they?

603
00:24:15.839 --> 00:24:18.059
Ready, steady, everyone, get your heads down.

604
00:24:18.180 --> 00:24:19.980
Boom.

605
00:24:20.099 --> 00:24:23.339
Oh, excellent.

606
00:24:23.400 --> 00:24:27.000
I love them throwing pebbles at them and stuff.

607
00:24:27.059 --> 00:24:29.039
You're just getting reactions from us now.

608
00:24:29.099 --> 00:24:29.880
Kellowitz dead.

609
00:24:29.940 --> 00:24:31.859
No, he's still he's still with us.

610
00:24:31.920 --> 00:24:34.259
I mean, I still like them, just going.

611
00:24:34.319 --> 00:24:35.220
Gung-ho action.

612
00:24:35.279 --> 00:24:36.240
Oh, yeah, yeah.

613
00:24:36.299 --> 00:24:40.319
Like, this really, like, it's what you often complain about, you

614
00:24:40.319 --> 00:24:43.019
know, television just show us some exciting things.

615
00:24:43.079 --> 00:24:43.799
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

616
00:24:44.099 --> 00:24:49.380
So so the thing, the weird thing is that this really has nothing

617
00:24:49.380 --> 00:24:50.640
to do with anything, does it?

618
00:24:50.700 --> 00:24:54.420
No, no, no, but it sort of started us off on a dynamic footing.

619
00:24:54.480 --> 00:24:58.619
I think that it, like, I think that the destruction of the Cesar

620
00:24:58.619 --> 00:25:02.460
Street outpost would have been enough to motivate.

621
00:25:02.460 --> 00:25:03.000
Oh, for sure.

622
00:25:03.059 --> 00:25:04.259
I wouldn't lose it, no?

623
00:25:04.319 --> 00:25:06.599
No, no, but this was really fun.

624
00:25:06.660 --> 00:25:08.880
I mean, that was really properly...

625
00:25:08.940 --> 00:25:12.420
I mean, otherwise, it's 10 minutes on extra on the ship, where we

626
00:25:12.420 --> 00:25:14.940
go, where we're standing around talking, how we're going to find

627
00:25:14.940 --> 00:25:18.480
Gotham, you know, do you remember that interminable court case

628
00:25:18.480 --> 00:25:21.420
scene with the computer in the Scottie murder episode?

629
00:25:21.480 --> 00:25:22.740
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

630
00:25:22.799 --> 00:25:24.960
About the evil...

631
00:25:25.019 --> 00:25:26.759
I'd rather buy a load of bombs going off than that.

632
00:25:26.819 --> 00:25:28.500
Oh no, that was super...

633
00:25:28.559 --> 00:25:31.200
I mean, this is part of why it's so memorable in that scene in

634
00:25:31.200 --> 00:25:31.500
particular.

635
00:25:31.559 --> 00:25:36.779
Even those beds in McCoy's sick bay look more comfortable than the

636
00:25:36.779 --> 00:25:37.980
ones in Dick's Bay.

637
00:25:38.039 --> 00:25:40.500
Yeah, but they've got like sequins on them.

638
00:25:40.559 --> 00:25:44.160
I just don't think that's very comfortable. sleep in a bed on DS9

639
00:25:44.160 --> 00:25:44.460
you know?

640
00:25:44.819 --> 00:25:48.420
Again, you know, this is early Shatner, so he's really

641
00:25:48.420 --> 00:25:49.619
underplaying it as well.

642
00:25:49.680 --> 00:25:50.579
I really like it.

643
00:25:50.640 --> 00:25:51.779
So invested, isn't it?

644
00:25:51.900 --> 00:25:55.980
In fact, he's letting this asshole just kind of, you know, chew

645
00:25:55.980 --> 00:25:56.579
the scenery.

646
00:25:56.640 --> 00:26:00.119
Not only if this was in like season three, not only I don't think

647
00:26:00.119 --> 00:26:03.720
would we have the great location work, I think they would try and

648
00:26:03.720 --> 00:26:06.299
pull it off in a studio because they didn't have as much money.

649
00:26:06.359 --> 00:26:09.599
But Shatner would be mugging all the way through it.

650
00:26:09.660 --> 00:26:13.200
But he's really underplaying it in this scene, I think. it's

651
00:26:13.200 --> 00:26:17.460
really good Well, I don't know if Trek wasn't like a massive hit

652
00:26:17.460 --> 00:26:17.880
was it?

653
00:26:17.940 --> 00:26:19.259
Like an immediate hit.

654
00:26:19.319 --> 00:26:19.980
I don't know.

655
00:26:20.039 --> 00:26:21.779
I don't think it was.

656
00:26:21.839 --> 00:26:24.599
Well, I mean, because they cancelled it and then they realised

657
00:26:24.599 --> 00:26:25.200
they had a hit.

658
00:26:25.259 --> 00:26:29.519
I don't think anyone ever really, like the execs ever really took

659
00:26:29.519 --> 00:26:30.299
it that seriously.

660
00:26:30.420 --> 00:26:31.859
I don't know.

661
00:26:31.920 --> 00:26:34.019
Is it the thing where they discovered that it's like a

662
00:26:34.019 --> 00:26:36.299
particularly attractive demographic watching it?

663
00:26:36.359 --> 00:26:37.140
Is that the thing?

664
00:26:37.200 --> 00:26:39.720
Like even though sheer numbers aren't great.

665
00:26:39.779 --> 00:26:42.720
It's like people with disposable income who are going to buy

666
00:26:42.720 --> 00:26:43.859
plastic crap are watching.

667
00:26:43.920 --> 00:26:47.400
Maybe they just actually sat down and watched it eventually and

668
00:26:47.400 --> 00:26:49.019
went, this 1st series is good.

669
00:26:49.079 --> 00:26:49.680
Maybe.

670
00:26:49.740 --> 00:26:51.299
I mean, this is great.

671
00:26:51.359 --> 00:26:53.279
And he's really great.

672
00:26:53.339 --> 00:26:56.220
And that weird card, like suddenly we're in the next scene.

673
00:26:56.279 --> 00:26:57.059
Do you know what I mean?

674
00:26:57.119 --> 00:26:59.700
It's one of the, it's sort of a modern thing where he's saying

675
00:26:59.700 --> 00:27:02.519
something which sounds like it's a response to the guy in the bed

676
00:27:02.519 --> 00:27:04.559
but it is these guys having a conversation.

677
00:27:04.619 --> 00:27:10.619
But what's happening here is you have Shatner declaring that we've

678
00:27:10.619 --> 00:27:15.180
got to go as the policeman of this area of federation space.

679
00:27:15.240 --> 00:27:16.799
We were so baffled.

680
00:27:16.859 --> 00:27:17.279
I know.

681
00:27:17.339 --> 00:27:22.380
We have to go and kill all of the people in that other ship, but

682
00:27:22.380 --> 00:27:24.000
spot pushes back against it.

683
00:27:24.059 --> 00:27:26.519
And Spock is right.

684
00:27:26.579 --> 00:27:29.700
We're supposed to be embracing all other life forms.

685
00:27:30.240 --> 00:27:30.720
We in the future.

686
00:27:30.779 --> 00:27:36.660
He says, what about respect for sentient life forms and Shatner

687
00:27:36.660 --> 00:27:38.579
and I think it's actually on the bridge, isn't it?

688
00:27:38.640 --> 00:27:41.700
Shatner says Shatner.

689
00:27:41.759 --> 00:27:44.940
Kirk says, it's not time for that now.

690
00:27:45.000 --> 00:27:46.799
We don't have time for the talk.

691
00:27:46.859 --> 00:27:48.599
We don't have time for Star Trek, all right?

692
00:27:48.660 --> 00:27:50.039
We got some aliens to murder.

693
00:27:50.099 --> 00:27:53.519
And I think then we get an Ahura reaction to that as well.

694
00:27:53.640 --> 00:27:55.380
A shaktahura reaction too.

695
00:27:55.440 --> 00:27:58.440
We get a couple of shock to who are a reaction.

696
00:27:58.500 --> 00:27:59.460
Yeah, we get some pretty terrible.

697
00:28:01.079 --> 00:28:01.920
I'll do the impression.

698
00:28:01.920 --> 00:28:02.700
Yeah, yeah.

699
00:28:03.119 --> 00:28:08.099
But, but, and then, we're going into butts, but notice that we're

700
00:28:08.099 --> 00:28:11.700
looking at Spock's face and Nemoy's looking disappointed.

701
00:28:11.759 --> 00:28:16.799
Like he's, you know, and...

702
00:28:16.799 --> 00:28:21.180
And he's gone all crazy in Captain Ahab as well, like I said.

703
00:28:21.240 --> 00:28:22.740
I mean, occasionally we do.

704
00:28:22.799 --> 00:28:24.299
Do you remember Janeway in Equinox?

705
00:28:24.359 --> 00:28:26.099
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Cisco with Eddington.

706
00:28:26.160 --> 00:28:30.240
But, I mean, both of those were the characters clearly acting

707
00:28:30.240 --> 00:28:30.539
out.

708
00:28:30.599 --> 00:28:33.539
Even O'Hura gave him a sassy look there.

709
00:28:33.599 --> 00:28:34.799
Are we really going to do this?

710
00:28:34.859 --> 00:28:35.400
Yeah.

711
00:28:35.400 --> 00:28:35.940
Yeah.

712
00:28:36.720 --> 00:28:39.000
There's a great scene now.

713
00:28:39.359 --> 00:28:42.779
Where they're pursued, aren't they?

714
00:28:42.839 --> 00:28:46.619
And it plays out exactly like you get in Q Hu when they 1st meet

715
00:28:46.619 --> 00:28:47.339
the Borg.

716
00:28:47.400 --> 00:28:49.500
They match them speed for speed.

717
00:28:49.559 --> 00:28:52.500
Yeah, and then they start getting, and then they just stop and

718
00:28:52.500 --> 00:28:56.099
wait for them to catch up. and I'm like, fuck me, they rip this

719
00:28:56.099 --> 00:28:56.819
scene completely.

720
00:28:56.880 --> 00:28:57.900
Morris Hurley.

721
00:28:57.960 --> 00:28:58.500
Yes.

722
00:28:58.500 --> 00:28:59.700
You plagiarist.

723
00:28:59.759 --> 00:29:01.980
But it's the Metrons, of course, who stop them.

724
00:29:02.039 --> 00:29:04.200
And that's the other difference, I think.

725
00:29:05.220 --> 00:29:05.579
I know.

726
00:29:05.640 --> 00:29:08.400
So, so we may as well talk about it.

727
00:29:08.460 --> 00:29:15.720
There is a figure in both Christianity, I think, in Judaism called

728
00:29:15.720 --> 00:29:22.259
Metatron, and we don't. know where that name comes from, but it's

729
00:29:22.259 --> 00:29:25.380
an angel that is in charge of judging things.

730
00:29:25.500 --> 00:29:28.559
And they are calling the Metrones.

731
00:29:28.619 --> 00:29:29.940
Like the Metron voice.

732
00:29:30.000 --> 00:29:32.940
The guy who plays the voice calls of Metrons, but the spot calls

733
00:29:32.940 --> 00:29:37.859
of Metrons, and I think so does, um, so does, uh, Kirk.

734
00:29:37.920 --> 00:29:42.180
And that's from a Greek verb that's related to our word metre

735
00:29:42.180 --> 00:29:46.740
which means measure, but it can mean to kind of mete out payment

736
00:29:46.740 --> 00:29:48.539
or reward.

737
00:29:48.599 --> 00:29:53.339
So the idea is, and the Metron form sounds like the present

738
00:29:53.339 --> 00:29:54.240
participle of that.

739
00:29:54.299 --> 00:29:57.839
And so, so what are they supposed to be meeting out?

740
00:29:57.900 --> 00:30:00.539
They're judging human behaviour.

741
00:30:01.079 --> 00:30:02.700
They're measuring human behaviour.

742
00:30:02.759 --> 00:30:04.859
Who wrote Encounter a Farpoint?

743
00:30:05.519 --> 00:30:06.960
You owe Gene Coon some money.

744
00:30:07.019 --> 00:30:10.440
I know, but I mean, you know, like, like, that is every other

745
00:30:10.440 --> 00:30:10.740
team.

746
00:30:10.740 --> 00:30:12.000
Yeah, that's right.

747
00:30:12.059 --> 00:30:15.180
See, also Day of the Dove, you know, like, well...

748
00:30:15.240 --> 00:30:16.680
TAS episode rewatched.

749
00:30:16.740 --> 00:30:18.299
That was on godlike beings, wasn't it?

750
00:30:18.359 --> 00:30:19.559
That was the devil.

751
00:30:19.619 --> 00:30:21.000
Oh, he was great.

752
00:30:21.059 --> 00:30:21.960
Great guy.

753
00:30:22.740 --> 00:30:27.420
Yeah, this, I merely suggest that a regard for sentient life. and

754
00:30:27.420 --> 00:30:29.220
Kirk just says there's no time for that.

755
00:30:29.279 --> 00:30:33.720
And then she looks at him. looks at him and then he gives her side

756
00:30:33.720 --> 00:30:34.559
eye as well.

757
00:30:34.619 --> 00:30:36.059
Is there enough pushback then?

758
00:30:36.119 --> 00:30:38.460
Well, also that that's good.

759
00:30:38.460 --> 00:30:40.500
Because the episode then decides, no, this is fine.

760
00:30:40.559 --> 00:30:44.099
We can have done. at the end, yeah, but no one really

761
00:30:44.099 --> 00:30:45.599
challenges...

762
00:30:45.599 --> 00:30:46.619
Kirk after this.

763
00:30:46.680 --> 00:30:48.420
No, but you can see him.

764
00:30:48.480 --> 00:30:50.279
He's almost doing dumb insolence there.

765
00:30:50.339 --> 00:30:52.680
He's saying very well, captain, you know, like he's just

766
00:30:52.680 --> 00:30:53.339
refusing...

767
00:30:53.339 --> 00:30:54.119
Which is Rick?

768
00:30:54.119 --> 00:30:54.539
Kirk.

769
00:30:54.599 --> 00:30:56.279
I'm delighted, Mr. Small.

770
00:30:56.339 --> 00:30:57.480
Yeah, excuse me.

771
00:30:57.539 --> 00:30:59.099
Sassy bitch.

772
00:30:59.160 --> 00:31:02.160
So this is not where we land and this isn't what we would get.

773
00:31:02.220 --> 00:31:03.660
Scotty for a look.

774
00:31:03.779 --> 00:31:05.339
I said, everyone's sort of unsure.

775
00:31:05.400 --> 00:31:07.380
Are we really going to do this?

776
00:31:07.440 --> 00:31:10.380
But of course, you know, like we we land on.

777
00:31:10.440 --> 00:31:11.279
This is great.

778
00:31:11.339 --> 00:31:12.660
Warp factory.

779
00:31:12.720 --> 00:31:13.200
Oh my god.

780
00:31:14.700 --> 00:31:18.720
And everyone's like, oh, that's great.

781
00:31:18.779 --> 00:31:21.000
Although George is doing his job.

782
00:31:21.299 --> 00:31:24.720
Just you wait guys until threshold, all right?

783
00:31:24.779 --> 00:31:26.220
That's right.

784
00:31:26.279 --> 00:31:27.839
Thank God we're not going at warp down.

785
00:31:27.900 --> 00:31:30.539
I mean, God, it'll be fucking salamand.

786
00:31:30.539 --> 00:31:31.559
They're on the bridge.

787
00:31:31.619 --> 00:31:32.519
Salamand.

788
00:31:32.579 --> 00:31:34.019
I'm very middle class.

789
00:31:35.400 --> 00:31:39.000
Oh, the stars look much better in the new version, don't they?

790
00:31:39.059 --> 00:31:43.500
Well, in fact, as they go to warp, you look at the look at what we

791
00:31:43.500 --> 00:31:46.079
see in the viewscreen, because we're going super fast, look at

792
00:31:46.079 --> 00:31:49.319
that smoky eye that look he's giving.

793
00:31:49.559 --> 00:31:50.339
Oh, his curve.

794
00:31:50.400 --> 00:31:52.740
He's batting his eyelids occur.

795
00:31:52.799 --> 00:31:54.660
Always go for them out at the top.

796
00:31:54.720 --> 00:31:55.259
Yeah.

797
00:31:55.319 --> 00:31:56.640
I mean, what is Scotty?

798
00:31:56.700 --> 00:31:58.079
He just standing there in the city.

799
00:31:58.140 --> 00:31:58.980
Go down to engineering.

800
00:31:59.039 --> 00:32:03.119
Like Ahura's not even getting a shot, so don't worry about it.

801
00:32:03.180 --> 00:32:05.640
Some fabulous blunder, the console.

802
00:32:05.880 --> 00:32:07.319
Yeah, sort of behind another woman.

803
00:32:07.380 --> 00:32:09.180
I think it may be Helen Shapiro.

804
00:32:09.539 --> 00:32:11.700
She was around in the scene.

805
00:32:11.759 --> 00:32:12.779
None of our Americans.

806
00:32:12.900 --> 00:32:14.700
I just say you are so gorgeous.

807
00:32:14.759 --> 00:32:16.920
Oh my words, you are gorgeous.

808
00:32:16.980 --> 00:32:20.400
I mean, I said to you, I can absolutely believe that Senior

809
00:32:20.400 --> 00:32:20.819
Gooding.

810
00:32:20.940 --> 00:32:21.539
Oh yeah.

811
00:32:21.660 --> 00:32:23.940
Celia Gooding and Nichelle.

812
00:32:24.000 --> 00:32:25.380
I mean they're as pretty as each other.

813
00:32:25.440 --> 00:32:29.819
Yes, unfortunately, Celia gets more to do, more nuanced

814
00:32:29.819 --> 00:32:30.839
characterisation.

815
00:32:30.900 --> 00:32:32.819
She's funnier, more agency.

816
00:32:32.880 --> 00:32:35.099
And equal.

817
00:32:35.160 --> 00:32:36.720
I think we're probably equal when it comes to singing.

818
00:32:36.779 --> 00:32:37.440
It's hard to tell.

819
00:32:37.500 --> 00:32:37.980
That's right.

820
00:32:38.039 --> 00:32:40.440
Well, I know both sort of have her cone head occasionally because

821
00:32:40.440 --> 00:32:42.359
sometimes Ahura's hair is massive.

822
00:32:42.420 --> 00:32:43.140
That's true.

823
00:32:43.200 --> 00:32:44.279
It was the 60s.

824
00:32:44.339 --> 00:32:44.819
Yeah.

825
00:32:44.880 --> 00:32:50.400
So they're being no hostilities, sir. were we being scanned?

826
00:32:50.460 --> 00:32:52.079
So this is the metrons, I think.

827
00:32:52.200 --> 00:32:57.359
So terrarium obviously, you know, introduces that wormhole, which

828
00:32:57.359 --> 00:32:59.700
is clearly caused by the Metron.

829
00:32:59.759 --> 00:33:02.160
So the matrons, even though they're not revealed until the very

830
00:33:02.160 --> 00:33:06.059
end, like here, they're more involved in the sort of setup.

831
00:33:06.119 --> 00:33:08.460
Here we just encroach on their space.

832
00:33:08.519 --> 00:33:11.700
And so it's when we get to this point that the metrons appear.

833
00:33:11.759 --> 00:33:15.119
We still not quite halfway into the episode.

834
00:33:15.180 --> 00:33:20.339
I think, I think the ad break where Kirk 1st confronts the Gorn is

835
00:33:20.339 --> 00:33:21.119
about halfway.

836
00:33:21.180 --> 00:33:24.059
I do think the structure, the 10 minutes of the bombs on the

837
00:33:24.059 --> 00:33:25.680
planet and the colony and all of that.

838
00:33:25.740 --> 00:33:29.460
Really great shape. then 10 minutes on the ship and then you get

839
00:33:29.460 --> 00:33:30.779
sort of half an hour on the planet.

840
00:33:30.839 --> 00:33:32.099
Yeah, yeah, on the asteroids?

841
00:33:32.160 --> 00:33:35.039
yeah yeah And the 10 minutes on the ship is all character stuff

842
00:33:35.039 --> 00:33:37.680
about how mad Kirk is, you know.

843
00:33:37.740 --> 00:33:39.779
What kind of apple?

844
00:33:39.779 --> 00:33:41.400
Just how to calm down.

845
00:33:42.059 --> 00:33:45.000
You're not the police, you know, we've had this conversation

846
00:33:45.000 --> 00:33:45.779
already.

847
00:33:45.839 --> 00:33:47.579
Yeah, we keep telling you.

848
00:33:47.640 --> 00:33:50.220
Maybe a sort of facile question, but I do want to ask it.

849
00:33:50.339 --> 00:33:53.400
How do you imagine Ahura keeps that thing affixed in her ear?

850
00:33:53.460 --> 00:33:55.140
Oh, super glue.

851
00:33:55.740 --> 00:33:57.660
It never comes out.

852
00:33:57.720 --> 00:33:58.740
Oh, God.

853
00:33:58.740 --> 00:34:00.599
Well, Fox sometimes has it as well.

854
00:34:00.660 --> 00:34:02.339
Yeah, it's massive though.

855
00:34:02.339 --> 00:34:04.079
It's jammed right in a fucking elo.

856
00:34:04.140 --> 00:34:05.460
Yeah, bless her.

857
00:34:05.519 --> 00:34:07.500
Oh, okay.

858
00:34:07.559 --> 00:34:10.320
See, the blonde woman, the blonde woman did some great kind of

859
00:34:10.320 --> 00:34:10.800
thing.

860
00:34:10.920 --> 00:34:12.780
Yes, Scott is just sort of hanging off the rail.

861
00:34:12.840 --> 00:34:15.179
They're doing great deceleration acting.

862
00:34:15.239 --> 00:34:17.280
Oh, there's Michelle having a bit of a go.

863
00:34:17.340 --> 00:34:19.800
She doesn't get many loins in this, so she has to do a lot with

864
00:34:19.800 --> 00:34:20.280
reactions.

865
00:34:20.400 --> 00:34:21.179
Oh my god.

866
00:34:21.239 --> 00:34:24.059
I may ask you, when Captain Kirk is beeped out in a second.

867
00:34:24.119 --> 00:34:26.579
Her almighty scream.

868
00:34:26.639 --> 00:34:28.619
It's so weird, isn't it?

869
00:34:28.679 --> 00:34:29.159
That's right.

870
00:34:29.219 --> 00:34:30.360
He's just literally beamed out.

871
00:34:30.420 --> 00:34:32.699
She does it all the time.

872
00:34:32.760 --> 00:34:33.840
All the time.

873
00:34:34.380 --> 00:34:35.639
Every time it happens, we just cut away.

874
00:34:35.699 --> 00:34:38.760
And she's like, oh, see her go, oh, someone beamed.

875
00:34:38.820 --> 00:34:40.619
Oh, she could be like Dr. Pulaski.

876
00:34:40.679 --> 00:34:41.820
She got a phobia of beaming.

877
00:34:41.880 --> 00:34:42.480
Ah, you know?

878
00:34:42.539 --> 00:34:43.199
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

879
00:34:43.800 --> 00:34:47.460
It was just, it made all 3 of us laugh.

880
00:34:48.480 --> 00:34:50.099
So funny.

881
00:34:50.159 --> 00:34:52.559
She gets 2 great reactions, actually.

882
00:34:52.619 --> 00:34:55.679
I mean, she's still sort of fabbing herself when we go back to

883
00:34:55.679 --> 00:34:56.039
her.

884
00:34:56.039 --> 00:34:57.300
She hasn't quite recovered.

885
00:34:57.360 --> 00:34:58.860
But I think that's it.

886
00:34:58.920 --> 00:35:02.699
It's like, I am going to be noticed no matter how few lines they

887
00:35:02.699 --> 00:35:03.119
give me.

888
00:35:03.179 --> 00:35:05.579
She's a Sigourney weaver.

889
00:35:05.820 --> 00:35:10.500
She is, that's what she's basic.

890
00:35:10.500 --> 00:35:12.480
You're going to remember it.

891
00:35:12.539 --> 00:35:14.820
We'll never forget it, Michelle.

892
00:35:14.880 --> 00:35:15.239
Never.

893
00:35:15.300 --> 00:35:17.699
Oh, will never forget the show.

894
00:35:18.059 --> 00:35:21.840
Jesus, remember on top of that rice doing her naked dancing?

895
00:35:21.960 --> 00:35:22.619
Ah, yeah.

896
00:35:22.619 --> 00:35:23.579
Good for her.

897
00:35:24.300 --> 00:35:26.099
That's crazy.

898
00:35:26.400 --> 00:35:29.039
Oh, now what's going on here?

899
00:35:29.159 --> 00:35:31.440
So we have been stopped.

900
00:35:31.500 --> 00:35:35.400
We are now facing the gone ship was, which was not visible

901
00:35:35.400 --> 00:35:35.940
originally.

902
00:35:36.000 --> 00:35:37.800
It's just been put there for the special edition.

903
00:35:37.860 --> 00:35:39.179
Ah, okay.

904
00:35:39.179 --> 00:35:41.219
Does it match up with the gold ship?

905
00:35:41.219 --> 00:35:42.900
Oh, shit.

906
00:35:42.900 --> 00:35:43.380
No way.

907
00:35:43.440 --> 00:35:45.539
No mist around it or anything.

908
00:35:45.599 --> 00:35:48.539
And so here's the Metrons addressing us.

909
00:35:48.599 --> 00:35:51.420
That's right, this fabulous sort of colour TV static.

910
00:35:51.480 --> 00:35:52.920
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

911
00:35:52.980 --> 00:35:55.500
Oh, it's a bit weird, you know?

912
00:35:55.559 --> 00:35:56.760
It's a bit odd.

913
00:35:56.820 --> 00:35:58.920
Remember when we were in Spectrum at a gun going through that

914
00:35:58.920 --> 00:36:00.900
weird sort of void at the start?

915
00:36:00.960 --> 00:36:02.039
It was a bit like that.

916
00:36:02.099 --> 00:36:02.639
Yeah, yeah.

917
00:36:02.699 --> 00:36:03.780
I love all that stuff.

918
00:36:03.840 --> 00:36:05.940
That's one of the things that we want from Star Trek.

919
00:36:06.000 --> 00:36:07.619
So this voice.

920
00:36:07.679 --> 00:36:16.139
Now, I think this guy, I think it's called Vic Perrin, and he is

921
00:36:16.139 --> 00:36:18.539
also the voice of Nomad.

922
00:36:18.599 --> 00:36:21.480
Oh, Captain Carr.

923
00:36:21.539 --> 00:36:22.199
I know.

924
00:36:22.199 --> 00:36:25.320
I'm just going to Hover over here.

925
00:36:25.380 --> 00:36:27.059
Somebody cut my string.

926
00:36:27.119 --> 00:36:31.980
I think, and again, he's not credited, and I couldn't make it out

927
00:36:31.980 --> 00:36:36.960
from memory alpha, but I think he also sort of ADR's, the Metron

928
00:36:36.960 --> 00:36:39.179
that we'd see at the end.

929
00:36:39.239 --> 00:36:43.920
Unbelievably weird effect because it's, you assure me, it's an

930
00:36:43.920 --> 00:36:44.519
actress.

931
00:36:44.579 --> 00:36:50.039
Yeah, but she is playing a man. with a man's voice dubbed over

932
00:36:50.039 --> 00:36:50.280
it.

933
00:36:50.340 --> 00:36:53.880
Which is why the Metron, I think, at the end of terrarium is all

934
00:36:53.880 --> 00:36:54.900
sort of fabulous.

935
00:36:54.900 --> 00:36:57.420
I was punching the air when I saw it.

936
00:36:57.480 --> 00:37:01.380
It's just when I saw that similarly sort of bling dress.

937
00:37:01.440 --> 00:37:03.059
I was like, it's the metro.

938
00:37:03.119 --> 00:37:04.619
Yeah, it was great.

939
00:37:04.679 --> 00:37:07.500
But again, you know, there was a queerness to them in the way that

940
00:37:07.500 --> 00:37:10.019
there is to the Metron that we're going to see at the end of this

941
00:37:10.019 --> 00:37:10.260
episode.

942
00:37:10.320 --> 00:37:13.260
Well, I liked as well is, was that they, you know, usually

943
00:37:13.260 --> 00:37:16.920
strangely well, so the dialogue's far more polished than in TOS, of

944
00:37:16.920 --> 00:37:17.400
course it is.

945
00:37:17.460 --> 00:37:18.840
It's 50 years later.

946
00:37:18.900 --> 00:37:22.260
But for the Metrons, they had their similar, you know, you and the

947
00:37:22.260 --> 00:37:22.860
gore.

948
00:37:23.280 --> 00:37:24.719
Yes.

949
00:37:24.719 --> 00:37:27.239
Okay, Kurt really loves this stuff.

950
00:37:27.300 --> 00:37:28.800
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

951
00:37:28.860 --> 00:37:31.500
Wait, so what I said last time, you know, every generation

952
00:37:31.500 --> 00:37:32.519
deserves.

953
00:37:32.579 --> 00:37:33.119
Here we go.

954
00:37:33.179 --> 00:37:33.840
Here we go.

955
00:37:33.900 --> 00:37:34.320
Here we go.

956
00:37:34.380 --> 00:37:35.219
Here, go, watch it, watch it.

957
00:37:35.280 --> 00:37:35.940
It goes boop.

958
00:37:36.000 --> 00:37:38.219
And then she leaves...

959
00:37:38.219 --> 00:37:39.360
Put the hat to your face.

960
00:37:40.019 --> 00:37:42.000
Go on, girl.

961
00:37:42.059 --> 00:37:43.800
And then, did you know?

962
00:37:43.860 --> 00:37:47.159
Yeah, Spock just pushes past. and pulls her hands away. will you

963
00:37:47.159 --> 00:37:47.639
stop that?

964
00:37:47.699 --> 00:37:49.139
All right, here's the gone.

965
00:37:49.199 --> 00:37:50.159
Oh, fuck.

966
00:37:50.280 --> 00:37:52.739
It's so great Wait, watch it blink.

967
00:37:52.800 --> 00:37:53.400
There we go.

968
00:37:53.699 --> 00:37:57.780
Yeah, we had a bit of a disagreement about the gone body.

969
00:37:57.780 --> 00:38:00.179
Because, you know, I think it looks quite tempting.

970
00:38:00.239 --> 00:38:03.719
Well, look, if it had been a big muscular guy painted green with a

971
00:38:03.719 --> 00:38:07.019
big rubber lizard head on, I'd have been...

972
00:38:07.079 --> 00:38:11.880
Excuse me, at least I'm getting hot and bothered about a man with

973
00:38:11.880 --> 00:38:12.659
muscles.

974
00:38:12.719 --> 00:38:14.099
You was doing it with the ball queen.

975
00:38:14.159 --> 00:38:17.039
Oh, I actually was covered in KY jelly.

976
00:38:17.099 --> 00:38:18.960
Oh, now look at this.

977
00:38:19.019 --> 00:38:20.039
A proper Western shot.

978
00:38:20.099 --> 00:38:24.239
Up the side, in a sort of desert, standing a distance away from

979
00:38:24.239 --> 00:38:24.539
each other.

980
00:38:24.599 --> 00:38:27.360
And as you said, this is a location where they used to shoot

981
00:38:27.360 --> 00:38:28.199
Westerns.

982
00:38:28.260 --> 00:38:30.599
They've really given their muscly cars.

983
00:38:30.659 --> 00:38:31.920
Oh, he's some massive carbs.

984
00:38:31.980 --> 00:38:32.699
Yeah, yeah, split.

985
00:38:32.760 --> 00:38:33.239
They're split.

986
00:38:33.300 --> 00:38:33.780
They look great.

987
00:38:33.840 --> 00:38:34.440
Oh, man.

988
00:38:34.440 --> 00:38:37.440
Alpa, he runs around the deck of his shit quite a lot, that corn

989
00:38:37.440 --> 00:38:37.980
you know.

990
00:38:38.039 --> 00:38:40.320
So he's grabbing the biggest stick he can find.

991
00:38:40.380 --> 00:38:43.980
And then Shatner gets a really shitty tiny stick.

992
00:38:44.219 --> 00:38:47.340
And then does he decide to grab the rock and see?

993
00:38:47.400 --> 00:38:47.880
No, no.

994
00:38:47.940 --> 00:38:51.179
When he sees the Gord approaching with the massive fuck off

995
00:38:51.179 --> 00:38:51.480
stick.

996
00:38:51.539 --> 00:38:52.800
He just throws his stick away.

997
00:38:53.159 --> 00:38:54.659
Fuck that.

998
00:38:54.719 --> 00:38:57.360
I love a crash zoom in the 60s.

999
00:38:57.420 --> 00:39:00.780
And of course, the music's going, da, da, da, da, right now.

1000
00:39:00.960 --> 00:39:03.599
We're getting roaring from the corn.

1001
00:39:03.659 --> 00:39:05.639
What are these red things on the rocks?

1002
00:39:05.699 --> 00:39:08.699
It's it's mineral deposits.

1003
00:39:08.760 --> 00:39:09.900
Of course it is.

1004
00:39:09.960 --> 00:39:12.179
Oh, because we need sulphur laser.

1005
00:39:12.239 --> 00:39:12.900
Right.

1006
00:39:12.900 --> 00:39:14.400
There's a big clue there, then.

1007
00:39:14.400 --> 00:39:14.820
That's right.

1008
00:39:14.880 --> 00:39:18.300
Now, this is a wonderful fight done in slow motion.

1009
00:39:18.360 --> 00:39:21.840
I mean it's not done in slow motion, but you would think it was.

1010
00:39:21.900 --> 00:39:26.340
But last week the gone were clambering in huge numbers over the

1011
00:39:26.340 --> 00:39:27.539
ceiling, remember?

1012
00:39:28.079 --> 00:39:31.739
And leaping down, flying Erica with one hand.

1013
00:39:31.800 --> 00:39:35.519
Zero gravity, you know, it's exploding, that sort of thing.

1014
00:39:35.579 --> 00:39:37.199
Now we're hugging.

1015
00:39:37.260 --> 00:39:38.400
Now we're hugging, we're getting a kiss.

1016
00:39:38.460 --> 00:39:40.559
If a Kurtzman gone.

1017
00:39:40.619 --> 00:39:42.179
Got this close to a person.

1018
00:39:42.239 --> 00:39:45.059
They literally would have been torn in half. by now.

1019
00:39:45.119 --> 00:39:45.960
All full of eggs.

1020
00:39:47.519 --> 00:39:52.679
Oh, oh, Kirk does sort of knock his head and he's like, oh, that

1021
00:39:52.679 --> 00:39:53.159
really hurt.

1022
00:39:53.219 --> 00:39:54.780
I think they're his ear holes.

1023
00:39:54.840 --> 00:39:56.460
Oh, is that right?

1024
00:39:56.519 --> 00:39:57.300
Do you think?

1025
00:39:57.360 --> 00:39:59.280
Because he's clutching his earholes.

1026
00:39:59.340 --> 00:40:01.139
There are holes set, right?

1027
00:40:01.199 --> 00:40:02.219
So now we're picking a rock.

1028
00:40:02.280 --> 00:40:03.239
Shatner's doing his best.

1029
00:40:03.300 --> 00:40:05.519
This is not polystyrene at all acting.

1030
00:40:05.579 --> 00:40:07.079
Whoa.

1031
00:40:07.079 --> 00:40:07.920
Oh, it's nice.

1032
00:40:07.980 --> 00:40:08.820
And then that's off the call.

1033
00:40:08.820 --> 00:40:10.199
That's clearly polystyrem.

1034
00:40:11.940 --> 00:40:13.019
Do you know, it's wonderful.

1035
00:40:13.079 --> 00:40:16.679
The mineral deposits look just like a load of tin foil over the

1036
00:40:16.679 --> 00:40:16.920
rocks.

1037
00:40:16.980 --> 00:40:17.880
Look at the sky.

1038
00:40:17.940 --> 00:40:19.860
Like the Nile, it's blue sky.

1039
00:40:19.920 --> 00:40:21.179
Yeah, yeah, yeah, the space.

1040
00:40:21.239 --> 00:40:21.960
They just got...

1041
00:40:21.960 --> 00:40:22.980
No, it's incredible.

1042
00:40:23.159 --> 00:40:25.440
So they can do really impressive wide shots.

1043
00:40:25.559 --> 00:40:26.159
Yeah.

1044
00:40:26.219 --> 00:40:28.199
So you call that a rock, Shatner?

1045
00:40:28.260 --> 00:40:31.139
This is a rock. fucking hell.

1046
00:40:31.199 --> 00:40:33.000
Straight over his head.

1047
00:40:33.059 --> 00:40:35.400
Yeah, you bit around.

1048
00:40:35.460 --> 00:40:38.280
Imagine being the guy who got to throw that at chat.

1049
00:40:38.400 --> 00:40:38.699
Shatner.

1050
00:40:38.760 --> 00:40:40.019
That didn't bounce too much.

1051
00:40:40.079 --> 00:40:41.940
No, that was free.

1052
00:40:42.000 --> 00:40:45.119
Joe, I love these shots up of Shatner on the rocks.

1053
00:40:45.179 --> 00:40:48.179
Notice how many sort of power shots he gets with his legs wide

1054
00:40:48.179 --> 00:40:49.860
open, shooting up at him.

1055
00:40:50.099 --> 00:40:54.119
Don't you reckon the stage hands or the, like, the guys on the

1056
00:40:54.119 --> 00:40:57.480
crew were fighting over who gets to throw the giant pole?

1057
00:40:58.679 --> 00:41:03.239
No, it was Michelle, Jimmy.

1058
00:41:03.300 --> 00:41:05.039
Everyone who doesn't get a line.

1059
00:41:05.099 --> 00:41:07.139
They wanted to throw it at Chatna.

1060
00:41:07.199 --> 00:41:08.519
Why are you all here, Keira?

1061
00:41:08.579 --> 00:41:10.800
We've drawing lots, all right?

1062
00:41:12.900 --> 00:41:15.780
Who looks the most smug in this scene?

1063
00:41:15.840 --> 00:41:16.980
the one who got to do it.

1064
00:41:17.039 --> 00:41:18.719
So, Michelle's calmed down now.

1065
00:41:19.019 --> 00:41:22.260
But she does get one other reaction, I think.

1066
00:41:22.320 --> 00:41:25.619
Look at these fuzzy lenses when she gets a close-up.

1067
00:41:25.679 --> 00:41:28.619
It's so annoying that whenever women get close up.

1068
00:41:28.679 --> 00:41:29.159
Why?

1069
00:41:29.159 --> 00:41:30.840
But so they look beautiful.

1070
00:41:30.900 --> 00:41:32.639
Oh, she looks beautiful.

1071
00:41:32.699 --> 00:41:33.119
I know.

1072
00:41:33.179 --> 00:41:35.519
I know they're doing it to Michelle, who's incredibly young.

1073
00:41:35.579 --> 00:41:38.519
You know, like doesn't have a lot of wrinkles to conceal

1074
00:41:39.960 --> 00:41:41.159
unbelievable.

1075
00:41:41.219 --> 00:41:42.960
Imagine doing that in strange new worlds.

1076
00:41:43.019 --> 00:41:44.760
I mean, they'd have to be fuzzy all the time.

1077
00:41:44.820 --> 00:41:45.900
There's so many women.

1078
00:41:46.559 --> 00:41:48.300
No, yeah.

1079
00:41:48.300 --> 00:41:50.940
Jess would punch you in the dicks if you're trying.

1080
00:41:50.940 --> 00:41:52.500
There are mineral deposits everywhere.

1081
00:41:52.559 --> 00:41:54.059
Gaunt linked.

1082
00:41:54.119 --> 00:41:55.559
No, the Gordon's poking his head up.

1083
00:41:55.619 --> 00:41:56.460
The rocks go, hello.

1084
00:41:56.519 --> 00:41:57.719
No, he's listening.

1085
00:41:57.780 --> 00:42:01.860
You see, he's listing on his lightsaber. sort of unfortunate face

1086
00:42:01.860 --> 00:42:04.079
where it looks like he's grinning all the time.

1087
00:42:04.139 --> 00:42:05.519
Scrubby, I blinked again.

1088
00:42:05.639 --> 00:42:06.360
He looks so happy.

1089
00:42:06.360 --> 00:42:10.079
I'm so happy to be killing humans again.

1090
00:42:11.340 --> 00:42:14.460
Look at the blue of the sky behind.

1091
00:42:14.519 --> 00:42:15.960
Yeah, I know.

1092
00:42:16.019 --> 00:42:17.039
That is technicolour.

1093
00:42:17.039 --> 00:42:17.880
Incredible.

1094
00:42:17.940 --> 00:42:19.139
Yeah, gorgeous.

1095
00:42:19.199 --> 00:42:19.980
Yeah.

1096
00:42:20.099 --> 00:42:23.219
And I think Shatner's really good in this too.

1097
00:42:23.280 --> 00:42:24.539
Yeah Yeah.

1098
00:42:24.599 --> 00:42:27.480
Scrub, brush, rocks, bits of tinfoil.

1099
00:42:27.539 --> 00:42:29.099
I don't know what I'm supposed to be looking for.

1100
00:42:29.159 --> 00:42:31.019
Powder, white powder.

1101
00:42:31.079 --> 00:42:33.840
He comes across this area where it's just covered in yellow

1102
00:42:33.840 --> 00:42:34.320
powder.

1103
00:42:34.380 --> 00:42:37.679
No, the one where he comes across it, white powder and he goes, hmm

1104
00:42:37.679 --> 00:42:39.480
this looks like...

1105
00:42:39.480 --> 00:42:42.000
But I do think, right?

1106
00:42:42.059 --> 00:42:44.699
I don't think the gaunts, you know, have gunpowder.

1107
00:42:44.760 --> 00:42:46.800
I think there's an advantage to human beings.

1108
00:42:46.860 --> 00:42:50.159
How does the Gordon know how to turn all that into a weapon?

1109
00:42:50.219 --> 00:42:52.500
Well, he just, he just carves it.

1110
00:42:52.860 --> 00:42:54.420
He just makes himself a knife.

1111
00:42:54.480 --> 00:42:55.920
Oh, yeah, isn't it?

1112
00:42:55.980 --> 00:42:56.159
Yeah.

1113
00:42:56.219 --> 00:42:56.519
Yeah.

1114
00:42:56.579 --> 00:42:57.239
That's right.

1115
00:42:57.300 --> 00:43:00.539
Yeah, actually, Kirk's pinned down under a rock, right?

1116
00:43:00.599 --> 00:43:04.139
And the go comes running up to him, to guru. pulls the rock off

1117
00:43:04.139 --> 00:43:07.320
and he's so slow with a knife, just runs away.

1118
00:43:07.380 --> 00:43:08.519
Well, yeah.

1119
00:43:08.579 --> 00:43:11.820
I mean, done most savage creatures in the galaxy, my arse.

1120
00:43:11.880 --> 00:43:13.019
Well, they're slowed.

1121
00:43:13.079 --> 00:43:14.820
Like in this in dialogue.

1122
00:43:14.880 --> 00:43:16.019
Kirk says this slow.

1123
00:43:16.079 --> 00:43:16.920
They're nimble.

1124
00:43:16.980 --> 00:43:19.739
Can we have a strange new world episode, please, in Sirius 5.

1125
00:43:19.920 --> 00:43:21.300
How many episodes is there 6 in series five?

1126
00:43:21.360 --> 00:43:24.960
Can we have just one, which explains an evolutionary throwback.

1127
00:43:25.019 --> 00:43:27.659
All the Gorn get really slow and cumbersome.

1128
00:43:27.719 --> 00:43:31.860
People were actually theorising during series.

1129
00:43:31.980 --> 00:43:33.059
No, they weren't.

1130
00:43:33.059 --> 00:43:34.320
That was on its way.

1131
00:43:34.380 --> 00:43:36.000
That explanation.

1132
00:43:36.059 --> 00:43:39.539
Look, people were theorising about how the Klingons changed and

1133
00:43:39.539 --> 00:43:40.559
they gave us that episode.

1134
00:43:40.980 --> 00:43:44.880
I think that we just decide that it's a TV show made considerably

1135
00:43:44.880 --> 00:43:45.179
later.

1136
00:43:45.239 --> 00:43:48.000
I think he was right, you know, he sort of got this bamboo now

1137
00:43:48.000 --> 00:43:50.460
that they've put up against the rocks.

1138
00:43:50.519 --> 00:43:54.360
But I do think bamboo can actually be turned into explosives.

1139
00:43:54.420 --> 00:43:58.440
I, so, again, I think memory alpha and I didn't pay very close

1140
00:43:58.440 --> 00:44:02.579
attention to this, but someone like Mythbusters or someone, did

1141
00:44:02.579 --> 00:44:09.900
you know, can you make a projectile out of saltpetre and, and, um

1142
00:44:09.900 --> 00:44:11.280
and they said that...

1143
00:44:11.280 --> 00:44:13.019
Maybe teaching kids this sort of thing.

1144
00:44:13.079 --> 00:44:13.800
I think so.

1145
00:44:13.860 --> 00:44:14.219
Okay.

1146
00:44:14.219 --> 00:44:14.940
It's chemistry.

1147
00:44:15.000 --> 00:44:15.719
It's strange.

1148
00:44:15.780 --> 00:44:18.539
If you really, really, tune your ears in.

1149
00:44:18.599 --> 00:44:19.079
Can you hear that?

1150
00:44:19.139 --> 00:44:23.039
Dr. Wyckoff, here's come to the isolation for Dr. Wyckoff.

1151
00:44:23.099 --> 00:44:23.639
There we go.

1152
00:44:23.699 --> 00:44:25.079
Oh, no way. get something else.

1153
00:44:25.139 --> 00:44:26.579
Death is your gift.

1154
00:44:26.639 --> 00:44:29.519
These are very niche references, I'm afraid.

1155
00:44:29.579 --> 00:44:32.460
All things that were shot at Vasquez Rocks.

1156
00:44:32.519 --> 00:44:35.400
And we treat Carvardine untitled Star Trek Project, but not the

1157
00:44:35.400 --> 00:44:35.940
Buffy one.

1158
00:44:36.000 --> 00:44:37.320
Yeah, that's true.

1159
00:44:37.380 --> 00:44:39.960
So, yes, yeah.

1160
00:44:40.019 --> 00:44:42.780
I think Roswell went there as well. you know, the team everyone

1161
00:44:42.780 --> 00:44:43.380
went there.

1162
00:44:43.440 --> 00:44:45.960
There's a, I think Bill and Head go there.

1163
00:44:46.019 --> 00:44:49.139
Look, I mean, he's just found a sort of diamond. giant diamond.

1164
00:44:49.199 --> 00:44:49.380
Yeah?

1165
00:44:49.440 --> 00:44:51.900
That can't be turned into a weapon.

1166
00:44:51.960 --> 00:44:54.960
You are not very, you can't improvise, and I could turn a diamond

1167
00:44:54.960 --> 00:44:55.739
into a weapon.

1168
00:44:55.800 --> 00:44:57.480
Like force feed it.

1169
00:44:57.539 --> 00:45:01.559
No, I'd literally make it sharp as possible and then catapult it

1170
00:45:01.559 --> 00:45:01.980
into his eye.

1171
00:45:02.039 --> 00:45:03.659
How do you make it sharp?

1172
00:45:03.780 --> 00:45:05.699
What, bash it against the rocks?

1173
00:45:05.820 --> 00:45:07.019
It's harder than the rocks.

1174
00:45:07.079 --> 00:45:07.860
It would break the rocks.

1175
00:45:08.039 --> 00:45:11.460
Well, look, it's sharp ones, yeah, next.

1176
00:45:11.519 --> 00:45:15.239
Yeah, they are sharp and remember that's what happens is that he

1177
00:45:15.239 --> 00:45:18.000
propels sharp diamonds into the corn and then they're sticking out

1178
00:45:18.000 --> 00:45:18.659
of his shoulders.

1179
00:45:18.780 --> 00:45:21.119
They just keep throwing big rocks at each other.

1180
00:45:21.179 --> 00:45:23.219
No, no, he'll fire dimes.

1181
00:45:23.280 --> 00:45:24.179
That's much more fun though.

1182
00:45:24.239 --> 00:45:25.019
Yeah, yeah.

1183
00:45:25.079 --> 00:45:28.559
I mean, the rock that he fucks over the edge in a minute is

1184
00:45:28.559 --> 00:45:29.639
fucking enormous.

1185
00:45:29.699 --> 00:45:30.780
Yes.

1186
00:45:30.840 --> 00:45:33.000
So we're going up to the top of this thing.

1187
00:45:33.059 --> 00:45:35.280
I know, that's gross.

1188
00:45:36.179 --> 00:45:37.019
You're talking about the location.

1189
00:45:37.139 --> 00:45:38.460
I am talking about the location.

1190
00:45:38.880 --> 00:45:40.440
There it is.

1191
00:45:40.500 --> 00:45:42.239
The Rock is waiting for him at the top.

1192
00:45:42.300 --> 00:45:43.500
Another big rock.

1193
00:45:43.619 --> 00:45:46.559
The Gorn is sort of making his obsidian knife down the ball.

1194
00:45:46.619 --> 00:45:50.099
He's not doing a very good job because he's holding it in one hand

1195
00:45:50.099 --> 00:45:52.019
and he's hitting it listlessly with the other one.

1196
00:45:52.079 --> 00:45:55.739
He's not like putting it on the rock and like using the rock.

1197
00:45:55.800 --> 00:45:56.400
Do you know what I mean?

1198
00:45:56.460 --> 00:45:57.659
Like, that's not going to do anything.

1199
00:45:57.719 --> 00:45:58.800
What's what's that?

1200
00:45:58.860 --> 00:46:02.760
I think the line to shut the air was just look up there and go, oh

1201
00:46:02.760 --> 00:46:03.420
how convenient.

1202
00:46:03.480 --> 00:46:04.380
An enormous rock.

1203
00:46:04.500 --> 00:46:06.179
But that's the stunt double.

1204
00:46:06.239 --> 00:46:07.320
Yes, of course.

1205
00:46:07.380 --> 00:46:10.199
I mean, in fact, that's a real rock, I think. isn't it?

1206
00:46:10.260 --> 00:46:11.280
Look at it.

1207
00:46:11.340 --> 00:46:12.119
No, no, no.

1208
00:46:12.119 --> 00:46:13.440
That's just the problem.

1209
00:46:13.500 --> 00:46:17.039
I mean, he's not up there when he's pushing the policy, isn't he?

1210
00:46:17.219 --> 00:46:19.199
Now, what's so funny?

1211
00:46:19.260 --> 00:46:21.960
We can't hear the sound, but you can hear it all popping and

1212
00:46:21.960 --> 00:46:22.440
creeping.

1213
00:46:22.440 --> 00:46:23.400
Yeah, yeah.

1214
00:46:23.400 --> 00:46:24.119
Chin it over.

1215
00:46:24.179 --> 00:46:27.960
And it's also a very different colour from the app from the other

1216
00:46:27.960 --> 00:46:28.199
rock.

1217
00:46:28.260 --> 00:46:28.980
Yeah, that's right.

1218
00:46:29.039 --> 00:46:32.159
But yeah, so how is he how is he sharpening it?

1219
00:46:32.219 --> 00:46:34.440
I don't know, but I don't think that shows great tactics on the

1220
00:46:34.440 --> 00:46:35.099
Gaul's part.

1221
00:46:35.159 --> 00:46:37.260
He's literally there underneath.

1222
00:46:37.320 --> 00:46:38.460
I mean, yeah.

1223
00:46:38.519 --> 00:46:40.679
All Kirk needs is the height advantage and he's won.

1224
00:46:40.739 --> 00:46:42.000
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's true.

1225
00:46:42.059 --> 00:46:44.579
He can be a bit of rocks and shoals, actually, you know, when they

1226
00:46:44.579 --> 00:46:45.480
add the upper position.

1227
00:46:45.539 --> 00:46:46.800
Ah, yes, yeah, yeah.

1228
00:46:46.860 --> 00:46:47.400
That's right.

1229
00:46:47.460 --> 00:46:49.139
Whee down.

1230
00:46:49.800 --> 00:46:50.280
My word.

1231
00:46:50.340 --> 00:46:50.880
Oh, shit.

1232
00:46:50.940 --> 00:46:51.719
Look at his reaction.

1233
00:46:51.780 --> 00:46:52.380
Look at his reaction.

1234
00:46:54.599 --> 00:46:58.079
I watch crushed flat ears.

1235
00:46:58.139 --> 00:46:59.699
It's right underneath it.

1236
00:46:59.820 --> 00:47:01.019
Oh, no.

1237
00:47:01.079 --> 00:47:02.699
He thought he was dead.

1238
00:47:02.820 --> 00:47:05.880
And look, well, yeah, I wasn't sure how far in we were.

1239
00:47:05.880 --> 00:47:06.780
Okay, yeah, yeah.

1240
00:47:07.199 --> 00:47:08.400
Chatter's like, woo.

1241
00:47:08.460 --> 00:47:09.179
Yeah, that's right.

1242
00:47:09.239 --> 00:47:09.900
That's the other thing.

1243
00:47:10.019 --> 00:47:12.360
And he looks excited and he's pleased.

1244
00:47:12.420 --> 00:47:14.579
You are a bully, Captain Kirk.

1245
00:47:14.639 --> 00:47:15.000
All right.

1246
00:47:15.059 --> 00:47:17.039
And then he has 2nd thoughts, obviously.

1247
00:47:17.099 --> 00:47:19.440
I love all these shots in the rocks.

1248
00:47:19.500 --> 00:47:20.340
Yeah.

1249
00:47:20.340 --> 00:47:25.260
It just, I don't know. just the realism to all of it.

1250
00:47:25.320 --> 00:47:27.239
Oh my god, you see him slap his hand.

1251
00:47:27.300 --> 00:47:29.579
He's alpha male, he is.

1252
00:47:31.380 --> 00:47:35.579
He has that superpower that some people have in genre shows of

1253
00:47:35.579 --> 00:47:37.380
reacting to things that haven't happened yet.

1254
00:47:37.500 --> 00:47:41.099
So he reacts to the gone stirring.

1255
00:47:41.159 --> 00:47:45.119
Then we get a shot of him still and then he starts moving. for

1256
00:47:45.119 --> 00:47:45.780
Janet Fielding.

1257
00:47:45.840 --> 00:47:46.739
There it is. exactly right.

1258
00:47:46.800 --> 00:47:48.960
Sorry, Dr. represents this again.

1259
00:47:49.019 --> 00:47:52.619
Now, the gore must be so strong because that was a bloody big

1260
00:47:52.619 --> 00:47:53.219
rock.

1261
00:47:53.280 --> 00:47:55.380
This big rock, he managed to...

1262
00:47:55.440 --> 00:47:57.719
And there's another big rock that fell on show.

1263
00:47:57.780 --> 00:48:00.420
I'm sorry, that rope was so visible.

1264
00:48:00.480 --> 00:48:02.099
How did you not see it?

1265
00:48:02.219 --> 00:48:04.739
My God. you know what?

1266
00:48:04.800 --> 00:48:07.860
This hasn't been that visible since that time when Odo was taken

1267
00:48:07.860 --> 00:48:11.039
on the Bajorans on the promenade and he turned into a massive rope

1268
00:48:11.039 --> 00:48:12.360
and tripped them all up.

1269
00:48:12.420 --> 00:48:12.900
Yeah.

1270
00:48:12.900 --> 00:48:14.699
Oh, he's, he's behind you.

1271
00:48:14.760 --> 00:48:17.039
No, these shots are great.

1272
00:48:17.099 --> 00:48:18.239
There's a few shots.

1273
00:48:18.300 --> 00:48:21.960
So it's the other shot when he's assembling the mortar thing.

1274
00:48:22.019 --> 00:48:23.579
You know what, Kirk's thinking?

1275
00:48:23.639 --> 00:48:24.659
Oh, no, he isn't.

1276
00:48:24.780 --> 00:48:27.000
Oh, no, this is the bit now.

1277
00:48:27.059 --> 00:48:27.300
Look.

1278
00:48:27.360 --> 00:48:28.860
So it cuts to the advert, bro.

1279
00:48:28.920 --> 00:48:29.880
My God, he's under a rock.

1280
00:48:29.940 --> 00:48:31.320
It's going to be the knife coming.

1281
00:48:31.380 --> 00:48:35.159
The one tosses the rock off, and Kirk just runs away.

1282
00:48:35.159 --> 00:48:39.059
He trips. gone.

1283
00:48:39.119 --> 00:48:41.219
You are some shit.

1284
00:48:41.519 --> 00:48:44.280
How is he going to tell those to his superiors?

1285
00:48:45.000 --> 00:48:46.199
Oh boy, boy.

1286
00:48:46.260 --> 00:48:50.820
That, the, the, Mrs. Gorn from terrarium had a broken leg and she

1287
00:48:50.820 --> 00:48:51.480
was...

1288
00:48:51.480 --> 00:48:52.800
Might be Mrs. Gorny.

1289
00:48:52.860 --> 00:48:53.820
He was wearing a dress.

1290
00:48:53.880 --> 00:48:55.619
Well, no, I think the mess.

1291
00:48:55.619 --> 00:48:56.099
I just love that.

1292
00:48:56.099 --> 00:48:57.780
Yeah, she came right up to the camera.

1293
00:48:57.840 --> 00:48:59.159
So much so he blurred.

1294
00:48:59.219 --> 00:49:00.000
Yeah, that was really good.

1295
00:49:00.059 --> 00:49:01.800
I think this is well directed.

1296
00:49:01.860 --> 00:49:03.480
I think it's bloody world.

1297
00:49:03.539 --> 00:49:07.019
Well, it's hard to not be with this much location work, I think.

1298
00:49:07.079 --> 00:49:10.019
Oh yeah, location works easy, but I think just generally this is

1299
00:49:10.019 --> 00:49:10.500
well done.

1300
00:49:10.559 --> 00:49:11.579
It looks good.

1301
00:49:11.639 --> 00:49:13.920
I think it's mostly well written as well.

1302
00:49:13.980 --> 00:49:16.500
Like, I know, like we said, they're feeling their way in.

1303
00:49:16.559 --> 00:49:17.159
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1304
00:49:17.159 --> 00:49:19.500
But Gene Coon understands a dramatic scenario.

1305
00:49:19.559 --> 00:49:20.159
Yeah.

1306
00:49:20.159 --> 00:49:22.800
See, the one thing that we missed, this is not just the 1st one to

1307
00:49:22.800 --> 00:49:26.039
mention, um, the Federation, but this is the 1st one where we have

1308
00:49:26.039 --> 00:49:28.920
a photo on torpedo, torpedoes as well.

1309
00:49:28.980 --> 00:49:29.880
Oh, and the noise.

1310
00:49:29.940 --> 00:49:30.480
Yeah, yeah.

1311
00:49:30.480 --> 00:49:31.920
I mean, I don't know if the noise is in the original.

1312
00:49:32.039 --> 00:49:32.460
I think it is.

1313
00:49:32.519 --> 00:49:33.659
But I love that noise.

1314
00:49:33.719 --> 00:49:34.980
It was in the computer game.

1315
00:49:36.179 --> 00:49:39.900
Now, there seems to be a lot of Coleman's mustard powder.

1316
00:49:39.900 --> 00:49:41.760
Scattered about here.

1317
00:49:41.820 --> 00:49:43.380
So that's sulphur.

1318
00:49:43.440 --> 00:49:44.219
That's right.

1319
00:49:44.280 --> 00:49:45.000
So is this right?

1320
00:49:45.059 --> 00:49:48.000
You can put sulphur and sulphur and saltpeder, make.

1321
00:49:48.000 --> 00:49:49.440
Gum powder.

1322
00:49:49.500 --> 00:49:49.860
Okay.

1323
00:49:49.920 --> 00:49:50.820
Yeah.

1324
00:49:50.880 --> 00:49:55.860
And in fact, when this was broadcast in the UK, all the times it

1325
00:49:55.860 --> 00:50:00.420
was broadcast until about 1992, they cut all the references to how

1326
00:50:00.420 --> 00:50:05.760
to make gunpowder so that the children at home, maybe it was an

1327
00:50:05.760 --> 00:50:06.780
Irish thing.

1328
00:50:06.840 --> 00:50:10.619
Anyway, so that people weren't making gunpowder at home.

1329
00:50:10.679 --> 00:50:12.539
Did I really think people were going to?

1330
00:50:12.539 --> 00:50:13.079
I don't know.

1331
00:50:13.139 --> 00:50:15.360
We're not sending it over to the Irish one.

1332
00:50:15.420 --> 00:50:18.059
It was on the BBC and wasn't it?

1333
00:50:18.119 --> 00:50:20.099
Star Trek was on the BBC.

1334
00:50:21.059 --> 00:50:25.739
I like to compare now the solutions because obviously Captain Kirk

1335
00:50:25.739 --> 00:50:28.739
you know, heads back in time, however many 100s of years, and

1336
00:50:28.739 --> 00:50:30.539
makes gunpowder to why.

1337
00:50:30.599 --> 00:50:35.280
Erica, in terrarium, sets fire to the entire fucking planet.

1338
00:50:35.579 --> 00:50:38.099
I think hers is a bit more impressive.

1339
00:50:38.159 --> 00:50:39.179
That was pretty great.

1340
00:50:39.239 --> 00:50:42.539
I mean, he's more practical because, you know, she is on the

1341
00:50:42.539 --> 00:50:45.420
planet, which is the board to play chess.

1342
00:50:45.480 --> 00:50:47.519
Oh that's great. great.

1343
00:50:47.579 --> 00:50:51.539
But I mean, see the thing is, oh, this, we had this before, didn't

1344
00:50:51.539 --> 00:50:51.780
we?

1345
00:50:51.840 --> 00:50:57.239
You know, I think, um, didn't Baylock tell them all to pray to

1346
00:50:57.239 --> 00:50:59.820
whatever god they believed in before they got exploded?

1347
00:50:59.880 --> 00:51:02.340
We very often get a disembodied voice.

1348
00:51:02.400 --> 00:51:03.179
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1349
00:51:03.179 --> 00:51:05.519
It's usually a peculiarly English voice.

1350
00:51:05.579 --> 00:51:09.059
No, no, it's a, no, it's part, it's some educated American.

1351
00:51:09.119 --> 00:51:10.679
Are there any?

1352
00:51:10.739 --> 00:51:11.460
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1353
00:51:11.519 --> 00:51:12.719
Okay, one or two.

1354
00:51:13.500 --> 00:51:14.340
Yeah.

1355
00:51:14.340 --> 00:51:15.900
For now.

1356
00:51:15.900 --> 00:51:16.679
Leonard?

1357
00:51:17.460 --> 00:51:21.300
Nichelle, although we can't tell for the material they give up.

1358
00:51:21.360 --> 00:51:25.260
No, she does some solid television watching a bit later too, I

1359
00:51:25.260 --> 00:51:25.500
think.

1360
00:51:25.559 --> 00:51:27.000
Well, I mean, they're us now.

1361
00:51:27.059 --> 00:51:29.159
Yeah, literally us.

1362
00:51:29.159 --> 00:51:33.659
It's Star Trek night on the Bridge of the Enterprise. and say, oh

1363
00:51:33.659 --> 00:51:34.619
there, look at, look.

1364
00:51:34.679 --> 00:51:37.320
She's put her put her hand over her mouth.

1365
00:51:37.380 --> 00:51:39.179
She's so shocked by what's happening.

1366
00:51:39.239 --> 00:51:42.239
I like to think that if this was strange new worlds in this same

1367
00:51:42.239 --> 00:51:43.260
scenario, right?

1368
00:51:43.320 --> 00:51:46.920
The new Scotty would have gone off to get some nips and some

1369
00:51:46.920 --> 00:51:47.340
Scotch.

1370
00:51:47.340 --> 00:51:48.000
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1371
00:51:48.059 --> 00:51:49.739
And he'd be sitting there sipping his trip going.

1372
00:51:49.800 --> 00:51:50.219
Wow, you know.

1373
00:51:50.280 --> 00:51:51.599
Erica likes snacks too.

1374
00:51:51.719 --> 00:51:53.460
Oh, there it was.

1375
00:51:53.519 --> 00:51:55.079
She be the one on there in the new one, wouldn't she?

1376
00:51:55.139 --> 00:51:55.860
Yeah, that's true.

1377
00:51:55.920 --> 00:51:58.739
So he's going to do a line of this, I think.

1378
00:51:58.800 --> 00:52:00.719
That's fantastic.

1379
00:52:00.780 --> 00:52:02.099
Oh, okay, it's not poke then.

1380
00:52:02.639 --> 00:52:06.000
Oh, I thought you meant a script line.

1381
00:52:06.059 --> 00:52:08.099
You meant a line of drugs.

1382
00:52:08.159 --> 00:52:08.699
Okay.

1383
00:52:09.179 --> 00:52:12.179
No wonder he's so effective in a minute.

1384
00:52:12.599 --> 00:52:13.500
Yeah, that's right.

1385
00:52:13.500 --> 00:52:14.760
Boost your brain power.

1386
00:52:14.820 --> 00:52:15.599
It is Hollywood.

1387
00:52:17.400 --> 00:52:20.099
I don't think he hasn't, you know?

1388
00:52:20.820 --> 00:52:23.639
Sorry, we're not casting aspersions.

1389
00:52:23.820 --> 00:52:25.679
Look at that long shot.

1390
00:52:25.739 --> 00:52:28.260
Yeah, gorgeous, isn't it?

1391
00:52:28.380 --> 00:52:29.400
You're right.

1392
00:52:29.460 --> 00:52:29.940
It's space.

1393
00:52:30.000 --> 00:52:30.659
It's just space.

1394
00:52:30.719 --> 00:52:33.000
He's selling it as well.

1395
00:52:33.059 --> 00:52:33.659
Yeah.

1396
00:52:33.719 --> 00:52:36.780
Yeah, he's running with a with a sore leg.

1397
00:52:36.900 --> 00:52:40.440
Come on, that head of that go on, it's so ridiculous.

1398
00:52:40.500 --> 00:52:41.820
This should be unwatchable.

1399
00:52:41.880 --> 00:52:44.519
And yeah, it's just brilliant.

1400
00:52:44.579 --> 00:52:47.760
So now we actually hear the go and speak, which is not something

1401
00:52:47.760 --> 00:52:49.739
that we've ever seen on Strange New World.

1402
00:52:49.800 --> 00:52:53.219
No, but I'm looking the puppeteer doing the mouth there, you know

1403
00:52:53.219 --> 00:52:54.000
inside.

1404
00:52:54.059 --> 00:52:55.320
Can you see the actor a little bit?

1405
00:52:55.380 --> 00:52:58.260
Yeah, it's just the actor's chin that's moving the mouth, right?

1406
00:52:58.320 --> 00:53:00.420
I can see that through a little bit.

1407
00:53:00.539 --> 00:53:02.820
Maybe they should have gone to a shadowy area.

1408
00:53:02.940 --> 00:53:05.219
Yeah, I don't think it's not that peaceful.

1409
00:53:05.280 --> 00:53:06.000
I think it's pretty good.

1410
00:53:06.179 --> 00:53:12.780
I do prefer the aesthetic to arena for terrarium.

1411
00:53:12.840 --> 00:53:14.400
I prefer the brightness.

1412
00:53:14.460 --> 00:53:15.179
Oh, yes. sun.

1413
00:53:15.300 --> 00:53:17.519
It's just more visually appealing.

1414
00:53:17.579 --> 00:53:21.780
Yeah, it's superbly done in terrarium and the use of the wall is

1415
00:53:21.780 --> 00:53:22.380
stunning.

1416
00:53:22.440 --> 00:53:25.139
But, you know, we've been on a lot of stormy planets.

1417
00:53:25.199 --> 00:53:28.800
But and I think, like, I don't think we've been on a Stormy Planet

1418
00:53:28.800 --> 00:53:31.500
quite as spectacular as we get in terrarium.

1419
00:53:31.559 --> 00:53:36.480
But, um, it's very definitely trying to do a contrast.

1420
00:53:36.539 --> 00:53:38.400
Oh, yeah, absolutely.

1421
00:53:38.460 --> 00:53:41.400
And, and, you know, nothing beats being on location.

1422
00:53:41.460 --> 00:53:43.320
Nothing beats real sunlight.

1423
00:53:43.380 --> 00:53:44.159
It looks amazing.

1424
00:53:44.219 --> 00:53:46.739
In arena, they're trying to bludgeon themselves to death with

1425
00:53:46.739 --> 00:53:47.159
rocks.

1426
00:53:47.159 --> 00:53:50.760
In terrarium, we're basically in a sitcom by the end of the

1427
00:53:50.760 --> 00:53:55.139
episode of all of that. agree and disagree going on.

1428
00:53:55.199 --> 00:53:57.960
I mean, Marv Roth told me he's going to start communicating only

1429
00:53:57.960 --> 00:54:01.199
with the worst agree and disagree. he will do it.

1430
00:54:01.260 --> 00:54:04.920
Look, now we're on, so the Dawn is in the studio there.

1431
00:54:04.980 --> 00:54:05.820
Oh, is he?

1432
00:54:05.880 --> 00:54:06.780
Yeah, yeah.

1433
00:54:06.840 --> 00:54:09.480
Well, get you one of those dresses, you know, Christmas.

1434
00:54:09.480 --> 00:54:10.500
That looks great.

1435
00:54:10.559 --> 00:54:11.519
You look great.

1436
00:54:11.579 --> 00:54:13.260
Sexy go on Halloween.

1437
00:54:13.260 --> 00:54:14.579
Sexy Halloween.

1438
00:54:14.639 --> 00:54:15.179
Will you wear it?

1439
00:54:15.239 --> 00:54:17.639
Come off the train station wearing the gaund dress, okay.

1440
00:54:17.699 --> 00:54:20.820
Right, so long as I get a lizard head as well. whole thing.

1441
00:54:21.239 --> 00:54:23.460
So a euphemism.

1442
00:54:24.539 --> 00:54:28.679
What's kind of strange, Australian neutralism what you're talking

1443
00:54:28.679 --> 00:54:28.980
about there.

1444
00:54:29.039 --> 00:54:31.139
Look, Spock is gripped.

1445
00:54:31.199 --> 00:54:33.539
He's like, he's watching Severance or something, you know?

1446
00:54:33.599 --> 00:54:34.440
Yeah, my God.

1447
00:54:34.500 --> 00:54:37.860
No, but he's kind of going, oh, you know, Shatner's not as dumb as

1448
00:54:37.860 --> 00:54:38.159
I thought.

1449
00:54:38.219 --> 00:54:40.139
So he is the audience then.

1450
00:54:40.260 --> 00:54:42.239
He's going, my God, yeah, he's figuring it out.

1451
00:54:42.300 --> 00:54:42.840
Yeah.

1452
00:54:42.900 --> 00:54:44.940
I mean, they're not quite doing that.

1453
00:54:45.000 --> 00:54:47.820
But what, I mean, why are they watching it on television?

1454
00:54:47.880 --> 00:54:48.719
Do you know what I mean?

1455
00:54:48.780 --> 00:54:49.800
Like, why?

1456
00:54:49.920 --> 00:54:51.360
No, literally why are they doing it?

1457
00:54:51.420 --> 00:54:52.199
Like, why is that there?

1458
00:54:52.260 --> 00:54:54.599
I think it's for the for the job or the reactions.

1459
00:54:54.719 --> 00:54:57.780
Yeah, I think that's it because otherwise we've got to invent

1460
00:54:57.780 --> 00:55:00.239
reasons for them to talk to each other back on the ship.

1461
00:55:00.360 --> 00:55:02.760
Who is allowing them to see it?

1462
00:55:02.820 --> 00:55:03.780
The Metrons?

1463
00:55:03.840 --> 00:55:06.300
But they're the ones that are going from lots of different

1464
00:55:06.300 --> 00:55:06.659
angles.

1465
00:55:06.780 --> 00:55:08.400
I mean, they've got plenty of cameras.

1466
00:55:08.460 --> 00:55:11.099
They've got a whole crew right out there.

1467
00:55:11.159 --> 00:55:13.079
But yeah, do you know what he did?

1468
00:55:13.139 --> 00:55:15.179
He pulled in that crew from that Roman episode.

1469
00:55:15.179 --> 00:55:16.739
They had on a camera.

1470
00:55:16.800 --> 00:55:19.079
Can you just film this from as many shots as possible?

1471
00:55:19.139 --> 00:55:19.739
Thank you.

1472
00:55:19.800 --> 00:55:22.079
And we don't want it in the press, all right?

1473
00:55:22.139 --> 00:55:22.920
And we know what you like.

1474
00:55:22.980 --> 00:55:25.619
Now they're just absolutely like it.

1475
00:55:25.860 --> 00:55:26.519
Look at her.

1476
00:55:26.519 --> 00:55:31.440
Lean in. she Is he going to be able to make gunpowder in time?

1477
00:55:31.500 --> 00:55:33.239
Will the go on catch up with him?

1478
00:55:33.300 --> 00:55:36.059
Well, because there's a great shot, isn't there, where the Gorn is

1479
00:55:36.059 --> 00:55:38.460
approaching him like while he's desperately trying to make it?

1480
00:55:38.519 --> 00:55:41.820
I mean, the corner's been smash bar rock and he's not even like

1481
00:55:41.820 --> 00:55:42.360
limping.

1482
00:55:42.420 --> 00:55:44.699
He is a tough bitch.

1483
00:55:44.760 --> 00:55:45.659
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1484
00:55:45.719 --> 00:55:46.019
Yep.

1485
00:55:46.079 --> 00:55:47.340
Look, here he comes.

1486
00:55:47.400 --> 00:55:50.099
Now we're not hearing it, but he's saying...

1487
00:55:50.099 --> 00:55:52.980
Quite a lot, yeah.

1488
00:55:53.039 --> 00:55:55.739
Now they've taken that away in Strangely Wells, haven't they?

1489
00:55:55.800 --> 00:55:56.699
They sort of go.

1490
00:55:57.239 --> 00:56:00.000
Yeah, they have clicking and tutoring and stuff. much scarier.

1491
00:56:00.059 --> 00:56:00.659
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1492
00:56:00.719 --> 00:56:03.659
Well, it's because dude, you don't know they're there and then you

1493
00:56:03.659 --> 00:56:05.219
hear the clicking and chitter.

1494
00:56:05.280 --> 00:56:08.760
Also, it's an actor going, as well.

1495
00:56:08.820 --> 00:56:10.559
Why are you saying that?

1496
00:56:10.619 --> 00:56:12.000
It's a bad thing.

1497
00:56:12.900 --> 00:56:15.599
I'm going to stop doing it on this now.

1498
00:56:18.659 --> 00:56:19.980
Very B movie.

1499
00:56:20.039 --> 00:56:21.360
I want to hear it's talking now.

1500
00:56:21.420 --> 00:56:23.219
I forgot what his voice was like.

1501
00:56:23.280 --> 00:56:24.239
Yeah, I was doing...

1502
00:56:24.239 --> 00:56:26.340
Was it kind of rough like that?

1503
00:56:26.400 --> 00:56:27.900
It wasn't Cookie Monster.

1504
00:56:27.900 --> 00:56:29.340
Cookie Monster.

1505
00:56:32.400 --> 00:56:34.199
What's going on?

1506
00:56:34.380 --> 00:56:36.780
Arena sending us mad?

1507
00:56:36.840 --> 00:56:37.860
Oh, yes.

1508
00:56:37.860 --> 00:56:39.599
Spino's loving this. on.

1509
00:56:39.659 --> 00:56:40.559
He's got sulphur?

1510
00:56:40.619 --> 00:56:41.519
Cole.

1511
00:56:41.579 --> 00:56:42.360
What else?

1512
00:56:42.420 --> 00:56:44.219
Uh, saltpetre.

1513
00:56:44.280 --> 00:56:48.000
So they've scattered all the elements of gunpowder about.

1514
00:56:48.300 --> 00:56:52.019
I like to think there's all the elements of a gaunt weapon as well

1515
00:56:52.079 --> 00:56:53.219
just too thick to realise that.

1516
00:56:53.280 --> 00:56:56.099
No, he made a big knife out of, he made a big knife out of thing.

1517
00:56:56.159 --> 00:56:57.900
Nice, versus gun powder.

1518
00:56:58.019 --> 00:57:00.179
Well, fine, you can have a knife.

1519
00:57:00.239 --> 00:57:01.380
I love a gun powder.

1520
00:57:01.440 --> 00:57:03.420
Nearly, he very nearly got him.

1521
00:57:04.079 --> 00:57:05.880
Oh here we go.

1522
00:57:05.940 --> 00:57:07.380
He's tipping out all of his bits.

1523
00:57:07.440 --> 00:57:08.280
Yeah.

1524
00:57:08.340 --> 00:57:10.619
And now, like it's approaching him, but they'll be in the same

1525
00:57:10.619 --> 00:57:11.340
shot in a second.

1526
00:57:11.400 --> 00:57:12.360
Who was that?

1527
00:57:12.360 --> 00:57:15.059
That's the desert science all around.

1528
00:57:15.480 --> 00:57:15.960
Yeah, okay.

1529
00:57:16.019 --> 00:57:16.619
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1530
00:57:16.679 --> 00:57:17.159
Oh, man.

1531
00:57:17.280 --> 00:57:19.079
Like, he's doing a proper thing.

1532
00:57:19.139 --> 00:57:19.860
He's not an idiot.

1533
00:57:19.920 --> 00:57:21.960
Yeah, look, this, because they're going to be in the same shop.

1534
00:57:22.019 --> 00:57:23.519
Yeah, sand gets everywhere.

1535
00:57:23.579 --> 00:57:24.840
Yeah, I've heard that.

1536
00:57:25.500 --> 00:57:26.400
Oh, that's so...

1537
00:57:26.460 --> 00:57:28.079
Here he comes.

1538
00:57:28.139 --> 00:57:30.420
Look at his thighs, man.

1539
00:57:30.480 --> 00:57:33.659
And he can crack a walnut with those giant, giant pods.

1540
00:57:33.719 --> 00:57:35.340
He doesn't skip leg day.

1541
00:57:35.400 --> 00:57:36.420
He's a good blizzard.

1542
00:57:36.480 --> 00:57:37.380
Do you know what?

1543
00:57:37.440 --> 00:57:38.219
I think I would.

1544
00:57:38.280 --> 00:57:39.659
Oh, you really?

1545
00:57:41.039 --> 00:57:43.440
I can put something on his head.

1546
00:57:43.679 --> 00:57:47.699
Do you remember in Stranger World's have got space helmets?

1547
00:57:48.059 --> 00:57:49.079
Yeah, into the space helmet.

1548
00:57:49.139 --> 00:57:50.280
Shove my nose on his head.

1549
00:57:50.340 --> 00:57:51.000
It'll be fine.

1550
00:57:51.360 --> 00:57:55.860
Now, now, what really impressed me here as well. was the editing

1551
00:57:55.860 --> 00:57:59.579
because it's usually fairly bad in TOS.

1552
00:57:59.639 --> 00:58:03.360
But as the gore gets closer, and he's the, he's trying really hard

1553
00:58:03.360 --> 00:58:06.119
to get the gunpowder in, and you cut back to the enterprise and

1554
00:58:06.119 --> 00:58:09.119
more reaction shots, and the music was building, and I'm like

1555
00:58:09.119 --> 00:58:11.820
they're really giving this a sense of occasion at the end.

1556
00:58:11.880 --> 00:58:14.039
And like the thing that shape.

1557
00:58:14.099 --> 00:58:16.260
Yeah, back to Shatner.

1558
00:58:16.320 --> 00:58:20.820
But you do have them showing us how exciting intensity is, you

1559
00:58:20.820 --> 00:58:23.340
know, because we have a surrogate audience reacting to her.

1560
00:58:23.400 --> 00:58:26.820
I actually think those air holes, maybe, just allowing the action

1561
00:58:26.820 --> 00:58:27.659
to the studio.

1562
00:58:27.719 --> 00:58:30.659
No, no, I think it's got a straw there.

1563
00:58:30.719 --> 00:58:33.179
I actually wonder what the actor's looking at.

1564
00:58:33.239 --> 00:58:35.159
Oh, smoke's coming off the sofa.

1565
00:58:35.219 --> 00:58:35.579
Come on.

1566
00:58:35.639 --> 00:58:37.260
Oh, no, not the soul for the coal.

1567
00:58:37.320 --> 00:58:38.400
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1568
00:58:38.460 --> 00:58:40.980
But this shot, this shot here, it's great, isn't it?

1569
00:58:41.039 --> 00:58:43.019
It is like a panto, though.

1570
00:58:43.079 --> 00:58:44.639
He is behind you right now.

1571
00:58:44.699 --> 00:58:45.659
Yeah, it's awesome.

1572
00:58:45.719 --> 00:58:48.239
And he's really happy about it.

1573
00:58:48.300 --> 00:58:49.619
Oh, we've seen him.

1574
00:58:49.679 --> 00:58:50.159
He's seen him.

1575
00:58:50.219 --> 00:58:50.699
It's right.

1576
00:58:50.760 --> 00:58:51.420
Yeah, yeah.

1577
00:58:51.480 --> 00:58:53.099
He's like, you can smile all you want.

1578
00:58:53.159 --> 00:58:54.659
You're about to get your head blown off.

1579
00:58:56.579 --> 00:58:58.920
Oh, don't ruin the dress.

1580
00:58:58.980 --> 00:59:00.539
So nice.

1581
00:59:00.599 --> 00:59:03.059
That is a Versace gaunt dress.

1582
00:59:03.119 --> 00:59:04.079
Oh, no.

1583
00:59:04.079 --> 00:59:05.820
That's it.

1584
00:59:05.880 --> 00:59:07.079
Boom.

1585
00:59:07.139 --> 00:59:10.800
No, he gets just a couple of diamonds embedded in his shoulders.

1586
00:59:10.980 --> 00:59:12.900
Well, you see the blood, though.

1587
00:59:12.960 --> 00:59:14.940
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, red blood.

1588
00:59:15.000 --> 00:59:15.480
Yep.

1589
00:59:15.480 --> 00:59:17.460
Lizards don't have red blood, do they?

1590
00:59:17.519 --> 00:59:18.239
I think so.

1591
00:59:18.300 --> 00:59:20.639
Oh, look, I think there is one in the dress.

1592
00:59:20.699 --> 00:59:22.380
There's some blood on the dress, I'm afraid.

1593
00:59:22.500 --> 00:59:23.820
Now he's going to stab him.

1594
00:59:24.420 --> 00:59:24.840
Stab him.

1595
00:59:24.960 --> 00:59:26.460
He was never going to stab him.

1596
00:59:26.519 --> 00:59:27.780
You've watched this show.

1597
00:59:27.840 --> 00:59:29.820
Look at his diamond, don't we?

1598
00:59:31.139 --> 00:59:33.659
His eyes were made of diamonds.

1599
00:59:33.780 --> 00:59:34.860
They look great, don't they?

1600
00:59:34.920 --> 00:59:39.179
Instead of multifaceted eyes, like a no, he says, I won't kill

1601
00:59:39.179 --> 00:59:39.480
you.

1602
00:59:39.539 --> 00:59:42.000
No, because killing people is bad, Jim.

1603
00:59:42.059 --> 00:59:45.119
I will blow a load of diamonds into your body, but I won't kill

1604
00:59:45.119 --> 00:59:45.300
you.

1605
00:59:45.360 --> 00:59:46.320
Well, he won.

1606
00:59:46.380 --> 00:59:47.099
Do you know what I mean?

1607
00:59:47.159 --> 00:59:48.000
I think that's kind of a thing.

1608
00:59:48.059 --> 00:59:48.840
No, no, no.

1609
00:59:48.900 --> 00:59:51.900
Let you do the horror movie trope now, and the door gets up and

1610
00:59:51.900 --> 00:59:53.280
starts...

1611
00:59:53.340 --> 00:59:54.480
Feels in full of eggs.

1612
00:59:54.539 --> 00:59:56.519
I mean, look at his clothes.

1613
00:59:56.579 --> 00:59:57.480
He should have just used those.

1614
00:59:57.539 --> 00:59:58.619
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1615
00:59:58.679 --> 01:00:00.599
I mean, that one did it to Erica, didn't you?

1616
01:00:00.719 --> 01:00:01.380
Yeah, absolutely.

1617
01:00:01.440 --> 01:00:03.239
Stabbed her right in the gut with his claws.

1618
01:00:03.300 --> 01:00:03.599
Yep.

1619
01:00:03.599 --> 01:00:07.380
So he's shouting out to the gods now.

1620
01:00:07.440 --> 01:00:10.139
You're going to have to find your entertainment I love that line

1621
01:00:10.139 --> 01:00:12.360
actually, because we've been entertained as well.

1622
01:00:12.420 --> 01:00:15.420
Like we've been enjoying this battle between the 2 of them.

1623
01:00:15.480 --> 01:00:16.679
Oh here we go.

1624
01:00:16.739 --> 01:00:24.360
So, this actor playing the Metron. is called Carol Shalin.

1625
01:00:24.420 --> 01:00:26.699
Carol, you make a wonderful Metron.

1626
01:00:26.760 --> 01:00:33.960
She plays a female engineer in home soil in series one of...

1627
01:00:33.960 --> 01:00:37.079
Female engineer, which you remember series one, they had a whole

1628
01:00:37.079 --> 01:00:39.119
bunch of different engineers, like everything?

1629
01:00:39.179 --> 01:00:41.280
No, there's a different engineer.

1630
01:00:41.340 --> 01:00:43.079
They didn't have a regular as the engineer.

1631
01:00:43.139 --> 01:00:45.539
Geordie gets remoted to chief engineer in series 2.

1632
01:00:45.659 --> 01:00:47.519
I remember and they had a...

1633
01:00:47.579 --> 01:00:48.239
Mr. Singh, no.

1634
01:00:48.300 --> 01:00:50.280
Yes, Mr. Singh, Mr. Argyle.

1635
01:00:50.340 --> 01:00:51.059
There was a lady.

1636
01:00:51.119 --> 01:00:52.920
There was this lady...

1637
01:00:52.980 --> 01:00:53.340
No.

1638
01:00:53.400 --> 01:00:56.340
We haven't progressed that much, then, have we?

1639
01:00:56.400 --> 01:00:58.199
So, but what I really like.

1640
01:00:58.260 --> 01:01:02.699
Like, this is clearly an effeminate, like it's a woman, right?

1641
01:01:02.760 --> 01:01:04.199
In a sort of dress.

1642
01:01:04.260 --> 01:01:07.440
She's look, she looks like a Greek god, I guess.

1643
01:01:07.500 --> 01:01:09.780
They're addressing him as a man.

1644
01:01:09.840 --> 01:01:10.860
Yes, yeah.

1645
01:01:10.920 --> 01:01:13.019
And it's the voice is male as well.

1646
01:01:13.199 --> 01:01:17.159
Kirk says that he looks like a boy, right?

1647
01:01:17.219 --> 01:01:21.719
And and so the queerness of it, you know, you've got these guys

1648
01:01:21.719 --> 01:01:25.139
who are doing primitive violence and stuff and the gods are above

1649
01:01:25.139 --> 01:01:29.820
and beyond that, you know, he doesn't want to get that dressed.

1650
01:01:29.880 --> 01:01:30.480
Exactly.

1651
01:01:30.539 --> 01:01:31.320
But that's exactly it.

1652
01:01:31.380 --> 01:01:32.880
He doesn't want to get the dress dirty.

1653
01:01:32.940 --> 01:01:35.579
He's above the sort of filth and the violence and stuff.

1654
01:01:35.639 --> 01:01:37.980
Look at all those lovely things around his legs.

1655
01:01:38.460 --> 01:01:40.679
Yeah, yeah, but again, that's just like, that's like classical

1656
01:01:40.679 --> 01:01:42.900
like a, like a Greek god. yeah?

1657
01:01:42.960 --> 01:01:46.079
And we do see, you know, in who mourns for adonize.

1658
01:01:46.139 --> 01:01:47.940
We see, you know, Apollo and stuff.

1659
01:01:48.000 --> 01:01:51.420
So it is a thing, like that is, the Greek gods thing is a thing

1660
01:01:51.420 --> 01:01:55.380
that you use at this time to indicate in the Strange New Worlds

1661
01:01:55.380 --> 01:01:55.920
episode.

1662
01:01:55.980 --> 01:01:59.639
It's a man and a woman's voice overlapping, isn't it?

1663
01:01:59.699 --> 01:02:03.900
It's a voice that's just a male actor.

1664
01:02:03.900 --> 01:02:06.239
Or a non-binary actor. could be.

1665
01:02:06.300 --> 01:02:07.019
Do you know what I mean?

1666
01:02:07.079 --> 01:02:07.679
Like I don't know.

1667
01:02:07.739 --> 01:02:10.440
And the shaved head, it's still queer.

1668
01:02:10.500 --> 01:02:14.400
Well, they don't have to go that far from the original, which is

1669
01:02:14.400 --> 01:02:15.420
actually really nice.

1670
01:02:15.480 --> 01:02:18.780
And so it's still cheesy and hilarious and kind of weird science

1671
01:02:18.780 --> 01:02:22.019
fiction-y, but it's updated for 2024. so it doesn't look as

1672
01:02:22.019 --> 01:02:22.260
silly.

1673
01:02:22.380 --> 01:02:25.139
Are you listening to me or you anti-wope bastard?

1674
01:02:25.199 --> 01:02:27.239
No one watch Arena, all right?

1675
01:02:27.300 --> 01:02:28.320
was there all along.

1676
01:02:28.380 --> 01:02:30.539
Exactly, of course. one of your favourite episodes?

1677
01:02:30.599 --> 01:02:32.159
Exactly.

1678
01:02:32.280 --> 01:02:35.039
Do we ever actually sort of visit the Metrons?

1679
01:02:35.159 --> 01:02:37.380
No, but they just...

1680
01:02:37.380 --> 01:02:44.579
I think they get mentioned as a possible candidate for the 10 C. in

1681
01:02:44.579 --> 01:02:46.079
Discovery Series 4.

1682
01:02:46.320 --> 01:02:51.000
I mean, I just could have seen a lower decks episode when they

1683
01:02:51.000 --> 01:02:52.619
visit the realm of the Metrons, you know.

1684
01:02:52.679 --> 01:02:55.019
Well, do you remember that, do you remember that there is a great

1685
01:02:55.019 --> 01:03:01.440
goddess in, um, on the in the crew, uh, in the towards the end?

1686
01:03:01.500 --> 01:03:02.219
Oh, of course.

1687
01:03:02.219 --> 01:03:06.719
It was her next logical step.

1688
01:03:06.780 --> 01:03:08.340
We've met so many Greek gods.

1689
01:03:08.400 --> 01:03:08.760
Exactly.

1690
01:03:08.820 --> 01:03:12.059
So now we have the crap joke at the end.

1691
01:03:12.239 --> 01:03:14.519
There wasn't the music, though, was it?

1692
01:03:14.579 --> 01:03:15.480
No, there wasn't the music.

1693
01:03:15.539 --> 01:03:16.800
It's not a huge crap joke.

1694
01:03:16.860 --> 01:03:22.019
Like, it's a little sort of slight joke, but, but, so Star Trek

1695
01:03:22.019 --> 01:03:28.440
now locates humanity's development and enlightenment to the, you

1696
01:03:28.440 --> 01:03:32.099
know, where we are, you know, to the 23rd century or whatever.

1697
01:03:32.159 --> 01:03:33.000
Do you know what I mean?

1698
01:03:33.059 --> 01:03:37.380
And this episode locates it to a 1000 years in the future.

1699
01:03:37.619 --> 01:03:39.900
A 1000 years, captain?

1700
01:03:39.960 --> 01:03:41.699
Well, it does give us a little time.

1701
01:03:41.760 --> 01:03:43.199
Yeah, yeah.

1702
01:03:43.260 --> 01:03:44.820
So that's a slightly crap job.

1703
01:03:44.880 --> 01:03:46.800
Joseph Pevney, I salute you, sir.

1704
01:03:46.860 --> 01:03:50.280
That was some fine direction. and Gene L Coon.

1705
01:03:50.340 --> 01:03:51.719
You might not be there yet.

1706
01:03:51.780 --> 01:03:54.179
But that was a good script I think.

1707
01:03:54.239 --> 01:03:57.480
Well, Gene Elcoon's producing series one.

1708
01:03:57.539 --> 01:04:01.440
Yeah, there was some real friction between him and Roddenberry. 2

1709
01:04:01.440 --> 01:04:02.639
ways of writing Star Trek.

1710
01:04:02.760 --> 01:04:06.960
But he, I think, is the one who created, we've said this before on

1711
01:04:06.960 --> 01:04:07.800
the podcast.

1712
01:04:07.860 --> 01:04:11.699
He created lots and lots of elements, including like photon

1713
01:04:11.699 --> 01:04:12.780
torpedoes in the Federation.

1714
01:04:12.840 --> 01:04:14.039
Just give you a few examples.

1715
01:04:14.099 --> 01:04:16.260
Klingons wrote Devil in the Dark.

1716
01:04:16.320 --> 01:04:16.679
Yep.

1717
01:04:16.739 --> 01:04:18.059
Rottenberry wrote justice.

1718
01:04:18.119 --> 01:04:18.960
Yeah, yeah, exactly.

1719
01:04:19.079 --> 01:04:21.780
You know, like there was there was a clear talent dividing.

1720
01:04:21.840 --> 01:04:22.260
Exactly.

1721
01:04:22.260 --> 01:04:23.400
Roddenbury knew it.

1722
01:04:23.460 --> 01:04:25.739
And that's why he wanted him removed from the show.

1723
01:04:25.800 --> 01:04:28.739
That's why in that last series, Coon is going, I'm going to see

1724
01:04:28.739 --> 01:04:29.940
under a pseudonym, isn't it?

1725
01:04:30.000 --> 01:04:30.239
Yeah.

1726
01:04:30.239 --> 01:04:32.400
I thought that was blissful.

1727
01:04:32.519 --> 01:04:33.659
Oh, yeah, I think it's great.

1728
01:04:33.719 --> 01:04:34.739
I think it is great.

1729
01:04:34.800 --> 01:04:37.260
And, you know, it's iconic.

1730
01:04:37.320 --> 01:04:38.099
We said it before.

1731
01:04:38.159 --> 01:04:42.300
It's absolutely iconic and it's the sort of thing that Star Trek

1732
01:04:42.300 --> 01:04:47.940
is in dialogue with over and over again in the subsequent 60 years

1733
01:04:47.940 --> 01:04:52.440
which is ironic because that had a lot less dialogue in it than

1734
01:04:52.440 --> 01:04:54.780
Star Trek 60 years ago generally has.

1735
01:04:54.840 --> 01:04:59.219
Yeah, well, like, and I said before, uh, you know, we're getting

1736
01:04:59.219 --> 01:05:02.219
moments of operation annihilate, which I don't know at all, but

1737
01:05:02.219 --> 01:05:03.059
that's what's...

1738
01:05:03.059 --> 01:05:04.260
We're on an air base now, however.

1739
01:05:04.260 --> 01:05:06.000
Yeah, that's right.

1740
01:05:06.000 --> 01:05:06.840
In the present day.

1741
01:05:06.900 --> 01:05:08.699
I don't know what's going on.

1742
01:05:08.760 --> 01:05:12.480
It's a colony well based on an airbase, you know?

1743
01:05:12.480 --> 01:05:15.300
So...

1744
01:05:15.300 --> 01:05:17.460
There we go.

1745
01:05:17.519 --> 01:05:22.559
But, you know, like, I think perhaps the best thing to come of

1746
01:05:22.559 --> 01:05:29.820
Arena is Dharmok, which is absolutely Star Trek, the Next

1747
01:05:29.820 --> 01:05:31.500
Generation's answer to Arena.

1748
01:05:31.619 --> 01:05:33.059
And I don't think it works.

1749
01:05:33.119 --> 01:05:36.059
I mean, I think it works on its own terms, but it works also as

1750
01:05:36.059 --> 01:05:38.400
something that's a dialogue to Arena.

1751
01:05:38.460 --> 01:05:42.300
So these who are brought down to the planet, the Gourn and Kirk

1752
01:05:42.300 --> 01:05:47.699
are brought down to the planet, whereas Dathan and Picard are

1753
01:05:47.699 --> 01:05:50.880
brought down to the planet in order to learn to cooperate to face

1754
01:05:50.880 --> 01:05:51.900
a common adversary.

1755
01:05:51.960 --> 01:05:55.320
What's so interesting is so many of the other shows on Strange New

1756
01:05:55.320 --> 01:05:56.460
Worlds, TNG.

1757
01:05:56.519 --> 01:05:59.159
I'm sure we could find examples in Voyager.

1758
01:05:59.219 --> 01:06:00.179
We went looking hard enough.

1759
01:06:00.239 --> 01:06:02.940
I've all tried to do their own spin on this.

1760
01:06:03.000 --> 01:06:05.940
I think the enemy in Star Trek the next year.

1761
01:06:06.000 --> 01:06:06.480
Yeah, definitely.

1762
01:06:06.599 --> 01:06:09.420
Like, I will always say this.

1763
01:06:09.480 --> 01:06:10.920
DS9 is the outlier.

1764
01:06:10.980 --> 01:06:13.199
They just would never do this story.

1765
01:06:13.260 --> 01:06:17.039
Like, the closest I think you get is walls when you have 2 enemies

1766
01:06:17.039 --> 01:06:19.860
down on a plate, and that's just a psychological drama inside a

1767
01:06:19.860 --> 01:06:22.559
cage, which is really dialogue.

1768
01:06:22.619 --> 01:06:24.059
No action in it hardly at all.

1769
01:06:24.119 --> 01:06:27.780
And when we visit Vasquez Rocks, it's a religious experience

1770
01:06:27.780 --> 01:06:30.119
finding back in boxing the profits.

1771
01:06:30.179 --> 01:06:31.139
Yeah, yeah.

1772
01:06:31.199 --> 01:06:36.179
But I think as well, terrarium, a really good episode of Strange

1773
01:06:36.179 --> 01:06:41.340
New Worlds, but totally subverting all of your expectations of

1774
01:06:41.340 --> 01:06:43.739
what you said to me, it was a modern day arena.

1775
01:06:43.800 --> 01:06:44.940
That's how you pitched it to me.

1776
01:06:45.000 --> 01:06:46.320
So I thought, right, great.

1777
01:06:46.380 --> 01:06:50.159
Erica's going to get her sleeves up on that planet and find them

1778
01:06:50.159 --> 01:06:50.519
gone.

1779
01:06:50.579 --> 01:06:52.860
And then when they were sort of playing house together.

1780
01:06:52.920 --> 01:06:54.480
What is going on?

1781
01:06:54.719 --> 01:06:57.840
And then I started to be very moved by it.

1782
01:06:57.840 --> 01:07:01.800
And then fucking like, arm turned up and shot the bloody woman to

1783
01:07:01.800 --> 01:07:02.099
death.

1784
01:07:02.099 --> 01:07:05.579
And Erica's furious, and that was a bit like the duet ending where

1785
01:07:05.579 --> 01:07:10.800
somebody, the Erica should consider an enemy being killed and

1786
01:07:10.800 --> 01:07:13.500
she's just deeply moved by it because they formed a connection.

1787
01:07:13.559 --> 01:07:16.920
That is Star Trek as well. so much.

1788
01:07:16.980 --> 01:07:22.320
And the lessons that you learn by close quarters with a race that

1789
01:07:22.320 --> 01:07:24.539
you just can't communicate with properly.

1790
01:07:24.599 --> 01:07:27.420
It's amazing stuff. and it all springs from this.

1791
01:07:27.480 --> 01:07:28.980
So much.

1792
01:07:28.980 --> 01:07:30.420
Absolutely. man.

1793
01:07:30.480 --> 01:07:34.500
So iconic and hugely influential and very enjoyable.

1794
01:07:34.559 --> 01:07:36.360
Massively enjoyable.

1795
01:07:36.420 --> 01:07:38.039
Wonderful big rocks.

1796
01:07:44.880 --> 01:07:49.019
All right, it's the end of the episode and it's time for us to

1797
01:07:49.019 --> 01:07:50.639
work out where we're going next.

1798
01:07:50.699 --> 01:07:54.480
This one was your choice, and so it's my turn.

1799
01:07:54.539 --> 01:07:58.920
We've done a reasonable amount on Kurtzman track.

1800
01:07:58.920 --> 01:07:59.460
We have.

1801
01:08:00.300 --> 01:08:06.059
I'm going to ruin it because our 2nd least covered, and it may

1802
01:08:06.059 --> 01:08:08.519
actually be the least covered because I'm not going on completely

1803
01:08:08.519 --> 01:08:13.679
up to date statistics is Star Trek the next generation.

1804
01:08:13.739 --> 01:08:14.699
Really?

1805
01:08:14.760 --> 01:08:15.900
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1806
01:08:15.960 --> 01:08:16.979
Second least covenant.

1807
01:08:17.039 --> 01:08:19.199
I feel like we've done so many next year.

1808
01:08:19.260 --> 01:08:20.399
It just feels like we've done.

1809
01:08:20.520 --> 01:08:23.880
Well, I mean, I will say, while Nathan's been here, we have been

1810
01:08:23.880 --> 01:08:27.960
watching fabulous clips of Marina Surtis at a convention, you

1811
01:08:27.960 --> 01:08:28.199
know?

1812
01:08:28.260 --> 01:08:29.039
Yeah, yeah.

1813
01:08:29.039 --> 01:08:31.979
Insulting the deaf and all sorts.

1814
01:08:32.039 --> 01:08:33.060
She is nuts.

1815
01:08:33.180 --> 01:08:36.239
So to go and see it, I mean, the irony would be is you get one of

1816
01:08:36.239 --> 01:08:38.159
those. episodes where she doesn't appear at all.

1817
01:08:38.220 --> 01:08:40.140
Let's find that rare.

1818
01:08:40.199 --> 01:08:42.239
Let's see how we go Roll it, gatesy.

1819
01:08:45.300 --> 01:08:45.840
Oh my god.

1820
01:08:49.380 --> 01:08:50.880
No.

1821
01:08:50.880 --> 01:08:51.539
No.

1822
01:08:51.600 --> 01:08:53.100
Stop the randomiser.

1823
01:08:53.159 --> 01:08:56.520
We've got a true classic on our hands.

1824
01:08:56.579 --> 01:08:58.800
So it's season one, episode three.

1825
01:08:58.859 --> 01:09:03.779
The 1st regular episode of Star Trek, the Next Generation, the

1826
01:09:03.779 --> 01:09:04.439
Naked Now.

1827
01:09:04.500 --> 01:09:06.840
It's got everything you could possibly want.

1828
01:09:06.899 --> 01:09:08.520
Wesley saves the ship.

1829
01:09:08.579 --> 01:09:11.100
People are frozen.

1830
01:09:11.159 --> 01:09:12.359
Everyone's having sex.

1831
01:09:12.420 --> 01:09:15.720
Robotic human relationships.

1832
01:09:15.779 --> 01:09:17.340
We could even watch.

1833
01:09:17.460 --> 01:09:21.539
We could even consider watching the naked time between now and

1834
01:09:21.539 --> 01:09:21.720
then.

1835
01:09:21.840 --> 01:09:24.359
No, hang on. let's do the fall.

1836
01:09:24.420 --> 01:09:27.180
We'll watch the naked time and fascinations as well.

1837
01:09:27.239 --> 01:09:29.760
That's the other love virus episode.

1838
01:09:29.819 --> 01:09:30.659
Oh, okay.

1839
01:09:30.659 --> 01:09:32.159
Should we do that as sort of research?

1840
01:09:32.220 --> 01:09:32.760
Why not?

1841
01:09:32.819 --> 01:09:35.039
We'll compare, which is the best one.

1842
01:09:35.100 --> 01:09:36.060
It's the naked now.

1843
01:09:36.119 --> 01:09:38.279
I don't know what it is.

1844
01:09:38.340 --> 01:09:41.039
At least Laxana's in fascinations.

1845
01:09:41.100 --> 01:09:41.939
Yeah.

1846
01:09:41.939 --> 01:09:45.720
Um, I see some unusual parents. lots of scant in it, you know?

1847
01:09:45.779 --> 01:09:47.880
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. which is really fabulous.

1848
01:09:47.939 --> 01:09:51.539
And I can't even remember what the danger is beyond...

1849
01:09:51.539 --> 01:09:52.439
There's a big rock.

1850
01:09:52.500 --> 01:09:54.420
I think there's a big rock that's heading for the ship.

1851
01:09:54.479 --> 01:09:56.220
Yeah, or some kind of...

1852
01:09:56.220 --> 01:09:57.359
But they're all too busy fucking.

1853
01:09:57.420 --> 01:09:59.039
Yeah, or they're too drunk.

1854
01:09:59.159 --> 01:10:00.720
No, because there's that guy.

1855
01:10:00.779 --> 01:10:04.199
There's the fat guy who takes all of the isolated chips out of the

1856
01:10:04.199 --> 01:10:04.380
thing.

1857
01:10:04.439 --> 01:10:05.880
Who's the chief engineer?

1858
01:10:05.939 --> 01:10:06.899
Yeah, he is that week.

1859
01:10:06.960 --> 01:10:08.399
He's the chief engineer that week.

1860
01:10:08.460 --> 01:10:10.020
He's in a boiler suit.

1861
01:10:10.140 --> 01:10:14.220
This is where next gen hadn't quite gotten there yet, you know?

1862
01:10:14.340 --> 01:10:15.899
Um, but funny.

1863
01:10:15.960 --> 01:10:18.180
I thought, you know, because I'm sad because we will be remote

1864
01:10:18.180 --> 01:10:18.479
again.

1865
01:10:18.539 --> 01:10:22.380
Yeah, yeah. which is truly that's just I don't like doing that

1866
01:10:22.380 --> 01:10:22.619
anymore.

1867
01:10:23.340 --> 01:10:27.359
I demand you move to this racist country immediately.

1868
01:10:27.960 --> 01:10:31.260
But what a way to start back.

1869
01:10:31.260 --> 01:10:31.859
Yeah, yeah.

1870
01:10:31.920 --> 01:10:33.180
Okay, that'd be fun.

1871
01:10:33.239 --> 01:10:35.640
Are you gonna be fully functional for this?

1872
01:10:35.699 --> 01:10:39.479
Yeah, I'd be well versed in a number of positions.

1873
01:10:49.260 --> 01:10:53.220
You've been listening to Untitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford

1874
01:10:53.220 --> 01:10:54.720
and Nathan Bottomley.

1875
01:10:54.779 --> 01:10:57.779
We're online at untitledstar trekproject.com where you can find

1876
01:10:57.779 --> 01:11:00.539
subscription links and links to our social media accounts.

1877
01:11:00.600 --> 01:11:04.380
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Ciceran, and the theme was

1878
01:11:04.380 --> 01:11:06.119
composed by Cameron Lamb.

1879
01:11:06.180 --> 01:11:10.680
This episode was recorded on the 28th of September 2025 and

1880
01:11:10.680 --> 01:11:12.239
released on the 10th of October.

1881
01:11:12.300 --> 01:11:16.439
We'll see you next time for Star Trek the Next Generation, The

1882
01:11:16.439 --> 01:11:17.340
Naked Now.

1883
01:11:33.060 --> 01:11:35.340
Oh, what a great choice.

1884
01:11:35.460 --> 01:11:36.239
Oh, my God.

1885
01:11:36.300 --> 01:11:39.899
Oh, God, it is so, so terrible.

1886
01:11:41.159 --> 01:11:43.020
Oh, yeah, yeah.

1887
01:11:43.079 --> 01:11:43.319
Wait.

1888
01:11:43.439 --> 01:11:49.859
I've got a question for you For the, for the outro, yeah.

1889
01:11:49.920 --> 01:11:51.479
Okay, you ready to describe?

1890
01:11:51.539 --> 01:11:52.199
Okay.

1891
01:11:52.260 --> 01:11:53.699
The folks is going in.

1892
01:11:53.760 --> 01:11:54.840
Oh.

1893
01:11:54.840 --> 01:11:57.300
I'm not nervous now.

1894
01:11:57.359 --> 01:12:00.600
I'm not sure I can perform on these circumstances.

1895
01:12:00.659 --> 01:12:02.819
Well, do I have a question for you, though.

1896
01:12:02.880 --> 01:12:06.960
Well, you know, like the Gorn or the great lizards of Star Trek

1897
01:12:06.960 --> 01:12:07.439
aren't they?

1898
01:12:07.500 --> 01:12:09.000
You know, the great lizard monsters.

1899
01:12:09.060 --> 01:12:11.880
Well, what are the other great lizards in franchise?

1900
01:12:11.939 --> 01:12:12.960
Is there any in Star Wars?

1901
01:12:13.260 --> 01:12:23.760
Um, is a big lizard guy who is one of the uh, bounty hunters.

1902
01:12:24.300 --> 01:12:26.939
Is he a lizard in the cantina band?

1903
01:12:27.000 --> 01:12:27.720
No.

1904
01:12:27.779 --> 01:12:29.159
Oh, okay.

1905
01:12:29.220 --> 01:12:32.220
No, there's just those guys. wouldn't you?

1906
01:12:32.279 --> 01:12:35.939
Yeah, but it's one of the bounty hunters in Empire Strikes Back.

1907
01:12:36.000 --> 01:12:41.340
You know, there's there's some English guys and there's a robot

1908
01:12:41.340 --> 01:12:44.579
and stuff and then there's a lizard bounty hunter, but I don't

1909
01:12:44.579 --> 01:12:45.180
know what he's called.

1910
01:12:45.239 --> 01:12:52.020
Of course, Malcolm Hulkin, Doctor Who, uh, writes giant lizards.

1911
01:12:52.079 --> 01:12:54.779
Oh, of course, every story.

1912
01:12:55.739 --> 01:12:58.020
So they got turned into a lot of people in the new series.

1913
01:12:58.079 --> 01:13:02.819
No, but no, no, but they're still lizard, man, but Malcolm Hulk

1914
01:13:02.819 --> 01:13:06.000
includes a lizard, a giant lizard, you remember there's fake

1915
01:13:06.000 --> 01:13:07.319
lizards in colony in space.

1916
01:13:07.380 --> 01:13:08.279
Oh, that's right.

1917
01:13:08.279 --> 01:13:11.819
And there was originally going to be a lizard in frontier in space

1918
01:13:11.819 --> 01:13:14.579
but instead they couldn't do a lizard, so they've decided to do a

1919
01:13:14.579 --> 01:13:15.960
scrotum instead.

1920
01:13:16.020 --> 01:13:17.640
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1921
01:13:17.699 --> 01:13:18.119
That's right.

1922
01:13:18.180 --> 01:13:19.619
So he's the lizard guy.

1923
01:13:19.680 --> 01:13:22.619
Paul, there are lizards in invasion of the dinosaurs.

1924
01:13:22.680 --> 01:13:23.640
I mean, they are living.

1925
01:13:23.699 --> 01:13:28.020
And there's an actual lizard in, as well as the Silurians

1926
01:13:28.020 --> 01:13:28.319
remember?

1927
01:13:28.380 --> 01:13:31.140
a Tyrannosaur or something.

1928
01:13:31.199 --> 01:13:34.079
If you're a sort of a Star Trek fan that's never explored, Doctor

1929
01:13:34.079 --> 01:13:38.220
Who, I may suggest, just type in the word for Marcy and the

1930
01:13:38.220 --> 01:13:41.340
leisure hive, and you'll see the sort of high sort of fabulous

1931
01:13:41.340 --> 01:13:43.800
costumes that we'd normally get in, Doctor, because they're lizard

1932
01:13:43.800 --> 01:13:44.640
people as well, aren't they?

1933
01:13:44.699 --> 01:13:48.600
But I mean, like that thing in Star Trek, the Next Generation, only

1934
01:13:48.600 --> 01:13:51.420
90s straight generally, where the aliens are just that Americans

1935
01:13:51.420 --> 01:13:53.100
with like latex on their face.

1936
01:13:53.220 --> 01:13:55.020
Except the salai.

1937
01:13:55.020 --> 01:13:55.979
They're lizards.

1938
01:13:56.039 --> 01:13:57.119
Yeah, they are.

1939
01:13:57.180 --> 01:13:59.579
And there's sort of glisten, they look fabulous.

1940
01:13:59.640 --> 01:14:00.239
They're good.

1941
01:14:00.300 --> 01:14:02.939
Like the Anticans and the Seleans before they land on the just

1942
01:14:02.939 --> 01:14:04.560
will give them an extra...

1943
01:14:04.619 --> 01:14:05.579
Did I get around the wrong way?

1944
01:14:05.640 --> 01:14:06.359
I don't know.

1945
01:14:06.420 --> 01:14:10.439
No, no, I think the Anticans are the...

1946
01:14:10.560 --> 01:14:11.640
That's Markalemo.

1947
01:14:12.180 --> 01:14:15.119
No, no, Soleil.

1948
01:14:15.239 --> 01:14:16.500
They've got those dreadful.

1949
01:14:16.560 --> 01:14:22.020
You know, the things you get at music festivals, the sort of hoops

1950
01:14:22.020 --> 01:14:24.060
on the end of a stick that glows.

1951
01:14:24.060 --> 01:14:28.560
And he throws it over Riker's neck and he goes, oh, sorry, rang

1952
01:14:28.560 --> 01:14:29.100
species.

1953
01:14:30.720 --> 01:14:32.100
Right.

1954
01:14:32.159 --> 01:14:34.500
Yeah, I think this is actually pretty hard.

1955
01:14:34.619 --> 01:14:37.020
They're high effort, aren't they, Lizards?

1956
01:14:37.079 --> 01:14:40.319
Yeah, but it's not the sort of, it's not the sort of thing that

1957
01:14:40.319 --> 01:14:44.220
you do in the 90s after, like, because there's also the fish

1958
01:14:44.220 --> 01:14:44.579
people.

1959
01:14:44.640 --> 01:14:48.180
Remember the fish people with it's Mick Fleetwood as a giant

1960
01:14:48.180 --> 01:14:48.600
fish?

1961
01:14:49.079 --> 01:14:51.960
You know, I think that's in series 2, isn't it?

1962
01:14:52.020 --> 01:14:54.420
Well, yes, Dr. Pulaski feeds them a load of fish.

1963
01:14:54.420 --> 01:14:56.399
Yeah, and they sort of wobble in the...

1964
01:14:56.460 --> 01:14:56.760
That's right.

1965
01:14:57.420 --> 01:14:57.899
They're terrible.

1966
01:14:57.960 --> 01:15:00.659
And wharf says they're beautiful.

1967
01:15:00.720 --> 01:15:01.319
This is very funny.

1968
01:15:01.439 --> 01:15:02.520
Wolf, you're in love.

1969
01:15:03.180 --> 01:15:07.079
It turns out those fish were a load of assassin.

1970
01:15:07.140 --> 01:15:08.159
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right.

1971
01:15:08.220 --> 01:15:09.239
They were going to blow up someone.

1972
01:15:09.300 --> 01:15:10.800
Fucking flea wood.

1973
01:15:10.800 --> 01:15:11.939
I know, what not?

1974
01:15:12.000 --> 01:15:12.300
Sikes.

1975
01:15:12.359 --> 01:15:17.460
But do you ever remember the snake monster in Buffy, where it was

1976
01:15:17.460 --> 01:15:20.760
sort of a physical prop, which they had on the end of series

1977
01:15:20.760 --> 01:15:21.060
three?

1978
01:15:21.119 --> 01:15:22.260
That's in series 5.

1979
01:15:22.500 --> 01:15:26.039
It's a snake that's going after Joyce, you know, who's got having

1980
01:15:26.039 --> 01:15:27.119
brain tumours and things.

1981
01:15:27.180 --> 01:15:27.720
Oh, okay.

1982
01:15:27.720 --> 01:15:29.220
It's on a hydraulic lift.

1983
01:15:29.279 --> 01:15:31.680
And so they sort of can lift up the physical prop.

1984
01:15:31.739 --> 01:15:35.159
So he's sort of hissing and rearing in the air.

1985
01:15:35.220 --> 01:15:39.960
Well, then it cuts to really primitive CGI. where it's slivering

1986
01:15:39.960 --> 01:15:43.020
in long shot and it just looks so terrible.

1987
01:15:43.079 --> 01:15:43.859
Yeah.

1988
01:15:43.920 --> 01:15:48.479
Well, I mean, I mean, the way they're going look now, where it's a

1989
01:15:48.479 --> 01:15:52.380
combination of puppets and animatronics and, you know, like an

1990
01:15:52.380 --> 01:15:56.279
actor in a suit, and particularly in terrarium, where, like, they

1991
01:15:56.279 --> 01:15:59.819
even give her a broken leg so that she doesn't move around very

1992
01:15:59.819 --> 01:16:03.060
much, so he's just the thing in the suit. terrarium.

1993
01:16:03.119 --> 01:16:04.199
I did say to you, didn't I?

1994
01:16:04.260 --> 01:16:07.260
The, the, the, the face, and that.

1995
01:16:07.319 --> 01:16:11.220
It was all, it was much less mobile than they were in all the

1996
01:16:11.220 --> 01:16:14.399
other, but they're hissing and screaming and salivas coming out

1997
01:16:14.399 --> 01:16:15.359
and they're attacking people.

1998
01:16:15.420 --> 01:16:19.920
I think that was to make the link between that and arena.

1999
01:16:19.979 --> 01:16:21.899
Oh, yeah, also, it's still great.

2000
01:16:21.960 --> 01:16:23.939
I think it was to humanise it a little bit too.

2001
01:16:24.000 --> 01:16:25.319
Yeah, yeah.

2002
01:16:25.319 --> 01:16:26.819
Well, and it's got a hood over its head.

2003
01:16:26.880 --> 01:16:27.720
Yeah, yeah.

2004
01:16:27.720 --> 01:16:29.819
I mean, I've got to say, though, the puppets are my favourite

2005
01:16:29.819 --> 01:16:31.079
Australian world.

2006
01:16:31.140 --> 01:16:35.220
The CGI is great, but when the puppet comes up in the screen, throw

2007
01:16:35.220 --> 01:16:35.819
it in your face.

2008
01:16:35.880 --> 01:16:36.840
It's generally that thing.

2009
01:16:36.899 --> 01:16:40.680
Like if they haven't tried to do like a pure CGI monster like they

2010
01:16:40.680 --> 01:16:44.760
did with the Species 8472 back in Voyager, that they've decided

2011
01:16:44.760 --> 01:16:48.060
that mostly puppets are what works.

2012
01:16:48.119 --> 01:16:50.399
No, no, they weren't listeners, but they were the 1st kind of

2013
01:16:50.399 --> 01:16:54.659
completely CGI, you know, Star Trek Alien.

2014
01:16:54.720 --> 01:17:00.000
But the, the Gauns are mostly props, and it is only when they're

2015
01:17:00.000 --> 01:17:03.779
kind of moving, doing like that quick movement, or whatever, or

2016
01:17:03.779 --> 01:17:07.260
when, you know, the one in the, like the one in the, in the

2017
01:17:07.260 --> 01:17:10.020
spacesuit, in Hegemony part one.

2018
01:17:10.079 --> 01:17:14.579
Like that's like in close-up is a puppet, isn't it?

2019
01:17:14.640 --> 01:17:16.079
I would imagine so, yeah.

2020
01:17:16.140 --> 01:17:16.979
But...

2021
01:17:16.979 --> 01:17:17.880
The difference is so.

2022
01:17:18.000 --> 01:17:20.579
It's like, you know, nowadays they wouldn't do what they did in

2023
01:17:20.579 --> 01:17:24.239
arena, they wouldn't have, you know, whopping great close-ups for

2024
01:17:24.239 --> 01:17:27.659
them in the sunlight because then you can see just how shitty

2025
01:17:27.659 --> 01:17:28.560
those costumes are.

2026
01:17:28.619 --> 01:17:29.760
In fact, yes, that's right.

2027
01:17:29.819 --> 01:17:32.220
Now they can edit and light and shoot.

2028
01:17:32.340 --> 01:17:34.319
So we're sort of getting enough.

2029
01:17:34.319 --> 01:17:35.640
And it's so fast.

2030
01:17:35.640 --> 01:17:37.979
And terrarium is very dark.

2031
01:17:38.100 --> 01:17:39.359
It's very dark.

2032
01:17:39.420 --> 01:17:40.739
So it does.

2033
01:17:41.520 --> 01:17:42.840
I think that was a deliver...

2034
01:17:42.899 --> 01:17:43.500
Oh, yeah.

2035
01:17:43.560 --> 01:17:46.260
Like, I think it's deliberately trying to contrast a arena, but I

2036
01:17:46.260 --> 01:17:48.239
think it also helps to hide the puppet.

2037
01:17:48.300 --> 01:17:52.859
There are any future producers of science fiction listening to

2038
01:17:52.859 --> 01:17:53.100
this?

2039
01:17:53.340 --> 01:17:56.460
Doubtful, but if there are, you know, if you're going to do

2040
01:17:56.460 --> 01:18:00.840
lizards, one, make them puppets, and two, make a dock.

2041
01:18:00.899 --> 01:18:01.319
Yeah.

2042
01:18:01.380 --> 01:18:02.100
Yeah.

2043
01:18:05.159 --> 01:18:07.560
I just wanted to talk about... no, that's awesome.

2044
01:18:07.619 --> 01:18:09.659
It's been the lizard.

2045
01:18:09.720 --> 01:18:14.100
It's been like...

2046
01:18:14.460 --> 01:18:16.439
Oh, my God.

2047
01:18:16.500 --> 01:18:17.760
And we'd have to miss a week.

2048
01:18:17.880 --> 01:18:18.960
As well.

2049
01:18:19.020 --> 01:18:21.239
You can have your own day and we don't miss a week.

2050
01:18:21.300 --> 01:18:22.319
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.