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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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You're looking well.

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I am?

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Oh, yes, oh, yeah.

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Enjoying your stay in England?

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I am.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So we are here together recording untitled Star Trek project in person for the 2nd time.

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Finally.

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We're not doing a franchise defining episode like justice.

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Although it may be as trashing.

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No, I think this is, I think this is better than justice, but perhaps not quite as memorable.

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So it's Steve Space 9, Series 7, episode 13, which is called Field of Fire.

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It's by our old friend Robert Hewitt Wolf.

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Just his one time back on the show.

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It's his one time back on the show and it dates, I think, from the 10th of February, 1999.

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Oh, the Hetty days.

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1999.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. exciting.

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So this is an every episode and it's also kind of a crime procedural.

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It's a little bit fill-rish, I think.

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Oh, it's completely fillyrish.

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I mean, we've had a few discussions about this, about how if the season was 10 episodes long, I mean, I don't think Filter Fire would be the 1st to go, because there's a couple weeks, Evan, you know, the one where... yeah definitely.

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Oh, actually, all the Ezra episodes will go, and obviously the one where Bashir falls in love with his patient.

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That one will go.

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We keep, obviously, baseball and the highest.

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Well, naturally, you know, and just have all of the war stuff going on around that.

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But as a filler episode, I said to you, if you're going to do something like this, make it a bit quirky, have something to say about the character.

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And I think it's halfway to getting there. and just make it an enjoyable experience and I did really enjoy watching.

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I think it's really fun.

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I think the mystery thing is just absolute nonsense and makes no sense.

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There's a few leaps, all right?

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Yeah, you don't have to be Poiro to figure this one out.

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No, and there's also kind of the problem where the big clue is so incredibly obvious that it just makes Ezri look stupid.

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Nathan says about 12 minutes into the episode.

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It's the photos, isn't it?

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I was like, damn, let's figure it out already. gave it away.

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The whopping close-ups on them.

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It's because I've watched television before, which is certainly not what Azri has done.

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I'm watching television, you know, is not something that makes a good television critic.

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No, but it does make an excellent detective.

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I need anything investigating while you're here.

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Yeah, where did that monk go?

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Yeah, that's another.

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I will call on you.

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As long as you have a fucking massive gun in your hands at the end of the mystery.

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So I think that we've said that we like Ezri, that um, I like, you know, I think I'm kind of sorry that Terry leaves because she's great and it would have been great to see her make it all the way through to the end, but Ezri does shake things up a little bit and gives them some new things to do and she is sweet.

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Like Nicole is so adorable.

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And so giving her a bit of steel and giving her the big gun.

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Like, that's actually, because because this isn't going to go anywhere, because we've only got half a season left.

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The consequences of this episode never really play out.

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I think Duran gets mentioned again in some kind of exposition coma or something at some point that, like as we mentioned, Yeah.

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No, in the exposition comas, when she mentions, she's in love with Bashir.

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A wharf goes, what?

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I love you, Julia.

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So we had Duran Dax is revealed in equilibrium.

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Yeah, early season three.

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Ely season three. much weaker episode than this, I think.

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Well, it's not as fun.

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Okay.

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It's very, um, we go off to trill and look at the mud pools.

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Yeah, yeah.

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We've been to the mud pools before, obviously, in Discovery on entitled Star Trek Project.

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It was much more impressive.

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Yeah, well, yeah.

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It was stockade 72, and a load of mud.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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It's not...

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And it was, Duran was very hot in that episode.

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You know, it was a young sort of Asian guy, so he's changed nationality as well between now and then.

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There's not a very good photo of him. memory alpha, so I didn't get a real sort of sense of him.

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She sort of goes into the mud at the end and sort of gives him a hug. accepts his memories into her, you know?

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Because the deal is that it's Tarius is in a shuttle accident.

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The Simian is transferred to Duran, and then 6 months later it's transferred to Curzon, and Curzon has no memory of like he's been in a coma or something.

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And all of a sudden, Chad says, behaving in a particularly aggressive way towards everyone.

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At one point she threatens Kira.

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What the hell is going on here?

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So those memories are emerging, but she kind of suppresses them or something.

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Like, then he comes back in facets played by Avery Brooks. wonderfully.

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Oh, great choice.

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It's during that period where they haven't let Avery grow his beard.

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So they've given him a terribly fake load of stubble rounds.

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Oh, really?

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But he's doing his very hello, Jania.

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You always denied me, but I was always there.

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And so we sort of skip from that to, I think his name's Lee McCluskey in this.

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And, I mean, theatrical, don't cover it.

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It really does choose some of these. like, now you said you didn't go far enough.

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I'm not sure without it, turning into a comedy, you could go much further.

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I think, like, again, I read Memory Alpha beforehand, and they said that the original actors of Play Duran wasn't available, because, I mean, they would tend to just try and not recast.

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I think they made a good call here though.

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Yeah, they said that he looks a bit too ordinary and I think that's because he's got sort of standard white guy, American hair, you know, like he just looks like a very normal kind of bit part actor.

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So he's not weird or unsettling looking.

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But he's doing the Hunnibal Lactor film with the eyes all the time, and he's right in her face, you know?

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He is literally saying lions like, that's the killer.

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Look in his eyes, you know?

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I wouldn't say it's underplate.

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No, no, it's it is pretty good.

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But I guess the mystery is a little bit too dumb and doesn't quite justify the, you know, the need for Ezri to think like the killer because the killer's thinking like just a massive fucking idiot.

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I love if they're going to do a Star Trek murder mystery.

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So they invent this insane weapon that where you can look through bulkheads into people's bedrooms and you can beam bullets into the people's rooms and we do the procedural of them figuring all of that out. in the 1st half.

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So I think that part of the mystery is really good.

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Yeah, and then the 2nd half is just, you know, will Ezri cross the line and pick up that knife and stab that poor man to death, and, you know, the sequence at the end where they're looking at each other with the garments.

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It's amazing. it is really good.

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And so this is directed by a guy who never directs again.

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It's Tony Dow, who was recommended by Billy Mummy, apparently. to the, you know, production team or something.

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I think there's some atmosphere.

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Yeah, yeah.

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And certainly the technical thing of looking through the sites and looking through the walls and stuff.

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Like I thought that scene was just really well done.

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I don't think it ever gets to be like tense or anything like that.

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Nathan set a very good point of like, why don't we use these weapons all the time.

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They'd be very useful in a war, you know?

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Yeah, yeah.

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In fact, one of the things that's fun is that, and we'll get there, is that none of them really know very much about projectile weapons.

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That's hilarious.

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Yeah, which I think is good.

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What about the powder bones?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Hella powder burns.

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Yeah, Julian doesn't know what that is, which I think is really great.

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So yeah, like all of that stuff is sort of quite good.

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You know, we'll talk about who the killer is and stuff as we go along, but I don't think any of that really works, and I don't think it properly justifies it.

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But there's a sense in which at the end, Ezri does, like, she doesn't kind of put Duran back in his box.

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He's now...

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Yeah, he's useful.

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Yeah, yeah.

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And so that would have been interesting to give her a little bit of steel sort of thing, but obviously it doesn't really go anywhere.

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They do 3 episodes this season.

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Not Prodigal Daughter, because that is the most dreariest episode of Dynasty that you've ever seen their entire life.

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But they do After Image, where they pair with Garak.

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He's vile to her, right?

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And she sort of overcomes that and toughens up a bit.

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Then they do see Gervais R 558 where she gets close to Bill Mummy and she's literally there in a war situation and she taps us up a bit and then they give her this.

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Then in the 2nd half of the year, she is sort of fully actualised, and she goes off, like she goes off in a shuttle to rescue Wharf, you know, she fucks Wharf. like, what the hell?

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actually off the side and I love Julian saw it.

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She gives that amazing speech about the Klingons and tagging into the wind.

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I think with a year and with so much other stuff going on, they really give her a journey.

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Right, okay.

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Which is kind of, we've discussed this before.

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DSign is unusual in 90s drag.

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But to do it in such a condensed period of time, to the point where she feels integrated and covers off like Banner being Better Bank.

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It like she's always been there.

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Even though she's been around for like 12 episodes.

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And I think Nicole has something to do with that.

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She just comes in and she's so sweet and so likeable.

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I can't imagine anyone watching her and just going, oh, I really hate that character.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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She's so nice I mean, I can understand people being disappointed that Terry didn't, you know, do the entire Iran.

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I like the different energy, though.

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But I do too, yeah.

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And I like the fact that it force them to improvise.

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Exactly.

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Exactly, didn't we?

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Like it's like, you know, they wouldn't choose to bring in a new character in the last season, but that kind of makes this unique.

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Yeah, well, that's the thing that I like about television.

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I think I've said this before, that it's not, you know, like even J.

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Michael Strazinski, who created a science fiction program that I can't remember the name of.

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He had his...

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I haven't heard of it.

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But he had his plan and it didn't work out, you know, someone left, the studio thought it was only going to go to series 4 and then it went to series 5.

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He didn't get to do what he wanted to do because that's what television's like. you know, like unless it's a very short season or something like that.

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The real world intervenes and people have to change their plans and that's one of the things that I like about TV.

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But famously, Babylon 5's last season, season 5 is the weakest, and pretty much everyone acknowledges that, because the arc, yeah, and he's had to improvise a new arc, which he'd never thought of, was never part of his plan.

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Plus, he'd written out Claudia Christian. one of his most popular characters.

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So he's having to bring in lesser characters that no one really got on with.

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Whereas here they haven't finished that arc.

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So they get to do the story that they want to tell right up to the end, just with this new character, sort of stir in the nest a bit.

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It's interesting.

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Yeah, I agree.

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I agree.

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But the result is, you know, if we are going to explore her, then we're going to do it in fill a bump like this.

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I mean, I'm glad we didn't get prodigal to also.

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That is...

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Ezri, it wasn't my fault.

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I didn't do this to our son, did I?

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Yeah, wait till we get there.

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Look, I'm kind of looking forward to that because I do remember it vaguely and I know that it's terrible and that's kind of fun.

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But, like, this is disposable, I think, in a way, but it's not terrible and I certainly enjoyed myself.

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We've watched a lot worse than this.

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I think, like you said, technically, it's competent.

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I think it's got a nice musical score.

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There's somebody else doing the music for this and so it does have a different feel to it than what's around it.

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I just love being with these people.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Should we go and be with these people?

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I think we should.

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All right.

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So you've got your finger on the space bar or the mouse or something.

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Some of our unusual way to do this, isn't it?

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All right, but I will count us in because I know even though we're here in the same place watching the same screen, the viewer at home will need to...

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Desperate to get her asray with that.

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Exactly, right.

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So here goes 5, 4, 3, 2, one, and we're off.

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There we go.

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This, I thought, was so forced. like the, you know, the, so we're in Quark's Bar.

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We have this gorgeous guy, little Hector Ilario, who's a lieutenant used to see him, all right?

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No.

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And despite his name, the actor is actually of Southeast Asian background. beautiful though?

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He is beautiful.

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Thai, I think, possibly.

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The last thing I'd want to do to him, you know, has put a bullet in his chest.

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I love her in blood.

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It's really sweet, actually.

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He's kind of a drawer.

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He's really young.

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He says he's 22.

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Um, but Julian's toasting him in this way that is just super forced.

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It's giving me horrible kind of, you know, Wharf and Deanna's reception at the beginning of Nemesis vine.

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But also, here's what's just happened today. why we're all celebrating.

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What I did love about this and gave us great laughter on the sofa was him going, you know, please, can I join you fellas in the holodeck?

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She and O'Brien are like, no, you know, we don't have anyone else in the holiday.

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Yeah, that's right.

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We like to fucking holiday.

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And so...

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I mean, you could watch.

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I think O'Brien actually gives him a look and goes, oh, maybe.

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He is pretty.

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I'm kind of spent with you again now, you know.

220
00:14:19.259 --> 00:14:20.279
Hector, come on.

221
00:14:20.340 --> 00:14:21.299
Julian, you can watch.

222
00:14:23.039 --> 00:14:25.320
It's, yeah.

223
00:14:25.379 --> 00:14:29.820
I mean, that, again, that's actually a cute character thing and it is that thing that they do.

224
00:14:29.879 --> 00:14:36.059
It's not quite queer baiting, but it is that sort of this relationship is kind of weird and special and stuff.

225
00:14:36.120 --> 00:14:38.100
They do acknowledge it later this season.

226
00:14:38.159 --> 00:14:39.059
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

227
00:14:39.120 --> 00:14:40.320
Yeah, she just says he loves him.

228
00:14:40.379 --> 00:14:44.220
I'll never, ever forget that scene. my problem. like, well, I love my wife, all right?

229
00:14:45.419 --> 00:14:47.940
I don't mind fucking you, Bob.

230
00:14:48.000 --> 00:14:49.080
I love you, all right?

231
00:14:49.139 --> 00:14:52.980
Oh, as we go, say, I know where I'm not wanting in the whole suite.

232
00:14:53.039 --> 00:14:54.480
Goes to Kira.

233
00:14:54.539 --> 00:14:55.259
You ever been with them?

234
00:14:55.320 --> 00:14:57.240
No, never. don't want to see that.

235
00:14:57.299 --> 00:14:58.919
And now he's drunk.

236
00:14:59.039 --> 00:15:05.820
We discover that, that, that Ezri takes him home at about 3 in the morning, I think.

237
00:15:05.879 --> 00:15:08.279
I mean, they look quite fresh for 3 in the morning.

238
00:15:08.340 --> 00:15:09.360
Yeah, he doesn't.

239
00:15:10.440 --> 00:15:12.059
He's so cute.

240
00:15:12.120 --> 00:15:13.679
He's so cute.

241
00:15:13.740 --> 00:15:19.620
And it is the sort of character that you could see earlier a DS9's rum than running with.

242
00:15:19.679 --> 00:15:20.519
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

243
00:15:20.580 --> 00:15:21.659
I thought of it earlier.

244
00:15:21.720 --> 00:15:26.159
Yeah, you know, lightly to, like, he is very much a red shirt though, isn't he?

245
00:15:26.220 --> 00:15:27.299
Oh, completely.

246
00:15:27.360 --> 00:15:28.500
But if you're going to have a red shirt.

247
00:15:28.559 --> 00:15:28.980
Make them hot.

248
00:15:29.039 --> 00:15:29.820
Yeah, yeah.

249
00:15:29.879 --> 00:15:30.240
And sweet.

250
00:15:30.299 --> 00:15:33.419
Well, I mean, it's doing the thing which you wouldn't do in like toss.

251
00:15:33.480 --> 00:15:36.960
Yeah, no, no.

252
00:15:37.080 --> 00:15:38.159
She just lights up the screen.

253
00:15:38.220 --> 00:15:39.419
Yeah, doesn't she?

254
00:15:39.480 --> 00:15:41.399
I like what he says here.

255
00:15:41.460 --> 00:15:43.320
He goes, you know what, Lieutenant?

256
00:15:43.320 --> 00:15:44.399
You're very beautiful.

257
00:15:44.460 --> 00:15:46.679
He goes, in your shoes, you're very drunk.

258
00:15:46.740 --> 00:15:50.039
But in the morning, I'll be sober, but you'll still be beautiful.

259
00:15:50.100 --> 00:15:55.259
You do know that it's like it's a ruined quote from Winston Churchill.

260
00:15:56.039 --> 00:16:03.899
A female member said to him, you're drunk and he said, you're, well, you're ugly.

261
00:16:03.960 --> 00:16:04.860
No.

262
00:16:04.919 --> 00:16:07.259
Well, this is the better version.

263
00:16:08.279 --> 00:16:12.000
This is the more compliment.

264
00:16:12.059 --> 00:16:14.100
Yeah, I'll be sober tomorrow and you'll still be ugly.

265
00:16:14.340 --> 00:16:16.379
Look at her as well.

266
00:16:16.440 --> 00:16:17.399
She got beautiful.

267
00:16:17.460 --> 00:16:18.899
I love her elfin haircut as well.

268
00:16:18.960 --> 00:16:19.620
Yeah, yeah.

269
00:16:20.039 --> 00:16:21.000
She is just adorable.

270
00:16:21.059 --> 00:16:21.840
She is.

271
00:16:21.899 --> 00:16:24.600
So we really, really playing up the photo.

272
00:16:24.659 --> 00:16:27.899
He's looking at the photo of him and his little mates from the academy.

273
00:16:28.259 --> 00:16:32.039
Excuse me, I was looking at photographs just this morning, you know?

274
00:16:32.940 --> 00:16:33.659
It's not unusual.

275
00:16:34.080 --> 00:16:36.480
And he's so good.

276
00:16:36.480 --> 00:16:45.240
Sometimes, you know, when I, when you're not been here for 2 years, I look at the last time you was here, logging really going, oh, one day we'll watch Star Trek on the sofa together again.

277
00:16:45.299 --> 00:16:46.980
Feel the fire.

278
00:16:47.039 --> 00:16:49.500
Oh, I've just remembered, actually.

279
00:16:49.500 --> 00:16:52.259
We still haven't danced away till against Price Fame Chew.

280
00:16:52.320 --> 00:16:53.820
You're on a promise.

281
00:16:53.879 --> 00:16:56.220
Oh, these bloody beds.

282
00:16:56.279 --> 00:16:57.179
I know.

283
00:16:57.240 --> 00:17:02.279
Were they better than the Star Trek, the Next Generation beds, which seem to be covered in Baco foil and clingfield?

284
00:17:02.340 --> 00:17:03.480
Oh, yeah, they are.

285
00:17:03.539 --> 00:17:04.799
But look at our cushion.

286
00:17:04.859 --> 00:17:06.599
I couldn't sleep with that little triangular thing.

287
00:17:06.660 --> 00:17:07.920
It's like a pancake.

288
00:17:08.880 --> 00:17:11.160
It's space memory.

289
00:17:11.220 --> 00:17:13.380
I wanted Ezra to be sort of more Troy in this thing.

290
00:17:13.440 --> 00:17:17.519
You know, when Troy woke up and was like, oh, I can't remember. miss the wormhole, you know?

291
00:17:17.579 --> 00:17:19.019
Right, old bitch.

292
00:17:19.079 --> 00:17:21.180
But it's sort of a nicer person.

293
00:17:21.240 --> 00:17:24.960
But there's all sorts of commotion going out in the corridor now.

294
00:17:25.019 --> 00:17:26.279
What's happening?

295
00:17:26.339 --> 00:17:28.380
That's that's near Hector's quarters.

296
00:17:28.440 --> 00:17:29.819
Yeah, yeah.

297
00:17:29.880 --> 00:17:40.259
It is a little bit disappointing, but I do think that like giving, like making him likeable so that we. care, which also motivates Ezri to investigate as well.

298
00:17:40.319 --> 00:17:42.539
Why is he says he instead of Odo investigating?

299
00:17:42.599 --> 00:17:45.960
I did like as well the other 2 victims.

300
00:17:46.019 --> 00:17:54.299
There was enough detail there for me to be convinced, even though we never see those people, and one of them supposedly have been on, it's 9 for 5 years or something.

301
00:17:54.359 --> 00:17:58.980
It's like sort of felt like they had relationships with those people, even though we've never met them.

302
00:17:59.039 --> 00:18:04.019
Robert Hewitt Wolf has written a lot of TV at this point. gets the beats that you have to get.

303
00:18:04.319 --> 00:18:04.500
Yeah.

304
00:18:04.559 --> 00:18:04.799
Yeah.

305
00:18:04.859 --> 00:18:05.400
Yeah.

306
00:18:05.460 --> 00:18:06.420
It appears.

307
00:18:06.480 --> 00:18:07.799
Somebody shot him.

308
00:18:07.920 --> 00:18:09.599
But there's quite a lot of blood.

309
00:18:09.660 --> 00:18:19.859
Because it's a, it's like, it's actually quite, I mean, that's pretty visceral blood, but later on when the blood's on her hands, it does look like ketchup, Hartley's finest.

310
00:18:20.039 --> 00:18:21.960
It's very delicious.

311
00:18:22.019 --> 00:18:23.880
Make some toast while you're in.

312
00:18:23.880 --> 00:18:25.140
Terrible, actually.

313
00:18:25.559 --> 00:18:27.180
Awful.

314
00:18:28.140 --> 00:18:32.759
Oh, sorry, now we're going to stake me go around big space 9 together.

315
00:18:32.819 --> 00:18:34.740
Keep your distance from the pilons.

316
00:18:34.859 --> 00:18:38.339
Every time I see that runabout coming towards the screen there.

317
00:18:38.400 --> 00:18:50.220
I just think of that line in, no, an episode we've already covered by Inferno's Light, where they think the Dominion's about to attack and Cisco goes, launch the runabouts, what the fuck are they?

318
00:18:50.279 --> 00:18:53.220
I mean, ships, for God's sakes.

319
00:18:53.279 --> 00:18:59.460
So you'll be pleased to learn listeners that we haven't said goodbye to art.

320
00:18:59.519 --> 00:19:01.980
He's going to be back in a dream sequence quite soon.

321
00:19:02.039 --> 00:19:03.539
Oh, yeah.

322
00:19:03.599 --> 00:19:04.440
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

323
00:19:04.500 --> 00:19:11.039
And that's the point where I thought, oh, this is going to be a bit camp because Odo leans in and goes, you know what, Lieutenant?

324
00:19:11.099 --> 00:19:14.400
There's nothing more annoying than a corpse that won't stay dead.

325
00:19:14.460 --> 00:19:17.400
And Redey, as you can imagine, is spot on.

326
00:19:17.460 --> 00:19:21.180
Yeah, absolutely. doing the right ring.

327
00:19:21.240 --> 00:19:23.460
But like, you and me.

328
00:19:23.519 --> 00:19:32.039
We like Star Trek and we like procedurals and this is ticking all the boxes of like, okay, we know what this is about.

329
00:19:32.099 --> 00:19:33.779
We've had our pre titles.

330
00:19:33.839 --> 00:19:35.099
There's a body there.

331
00:19:35.160 --> 00:19:37.680
It's gonna be about investigating what happened.

332
00:19:37.740 --> 00:19:43.319
And I do, I genuinely do think the 1st 20 minutes, the investigation is very well done.

333
00:19:43.380 --> 00:19:46.380
Like, all the stuff with the melon and then figuring out the gun.

334
00:19:46.500 --> 00:19:47.640
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and all of that.

335
00:19:47.700 --> 00:19:49.500
I think I think where it fails.

336
00:19:49.559 --> 00:19:51.660
Like they, I'm gonna just say it.

337
00:19:51.720 --> 00:19:56.579
They made the murder a Vulcan for kind of surprise value.

338
00:19:56.640 --> 00:19:57.960
Racist reason.

339
00:19:58.019 --> 00:19:59.400
For racist reasons.

340
00:19:59.460 --> 00:20:01.319
A Vulcan that can't handle people smiling.

341
00:20:01.380 --> 00:20:02.339
Okay?

342
00:20:02.400 --> 00:20:02.940
Yeah.

343
00:20:03.000 --> 00:20:13.920
But what they don't do and what really needs to happen is that there needs to be some kind of parallel between the murderer and Juran or the murderer and Ezri.

344
00:20:13.980 --> 00:20:15.420
Which they would do now, would they?

345
00:20:15.480 --> 00:20:16.140
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

346
00:20:16.200 --> 00:20:25.200
Like it would have to be because because what this is, is it's a murder investigation, but it's also a character piece, which is exactly what you kind of need to do in 90 Star Trek.

347
00:20:25.259 --> 00:20:26.400
You're still doing that in...

348
00:20:26.400 --> 00:20:28.259
Voyager wouldn't bother.

349
00:20:28.319 --> 00:20:29.880
It would just be...

350
00:20:29.940 --> 00:20:37.740
But I mean, you know, like we talk about pillar making sure that stuff happens from series 3 of TNG.

351
00:20:37.799 --> 00:20:46.140
I mean, I thought Avery was quite good here, you know, coming in and going, well, chemical projectile weapons and I mean, he's done his time or was it TJ Hooker?

352
00:20:46.200 --> 00:20:46.740
Oh, okay.

353
00:20:46.740 --> 00:20:49.680
He's done plenty of... so he knows how to play it.

354
00:20:49.740 --> 00:20:54.240
But Renee is just wonderful when he's talking about Roman Chandler novels.

355
00:20:54.779 --> 00:20:55.319
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

356
00:20:55.380 --> 00:20:56.940
We knew that already, didn't we?

357
00:20:57.000 --> 00:20:59.700
Well, we saw it in Imogen Sand.

358
00:20:59.700 --> 00:21:02.940
Maybe it goes, read this book while we're in the blockade and this will pass the time.

359
00:21:03.000 --> 00:21:03.900
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

360
00:21:03.960 --> 00:21:10.319
What I really like is when Avery hears that he reads those novels and he likes them.

361
00:21:11.460 --> 00:21:16.740
Yeah, it's just like, ooh, that's a little character piece, the thing that I remember, which I just thought was actually really good.

362
00:21:16.799 --> 00:21:20.039
You can still surprise me, I know, after 7 years.

363
00:21:20.099 --> 00:21:23.640
Remember last year when you came in the office and we sung a song together?

364
00:21:24.059 --> 00:21:32.519
I like this too, like, because I don't think the explanation of what powder burns are is for us.

365
00:21:32.579 --> 00:21:46.559
It's not exposition for us because I think that, you know, Star Trek sometimes has very low expectations of what its audience is able to understand and will often explain things that are really... to lead us to the fact that the bullet was beamed into the room.

366
00:21:46.680 --> 00:22:07.740
Well, I think that it's also there just to, you know, to, like as as kind of period detail, you know, that, that, that we just use phases and that, that, um, projectile weapons are so weird, that Julian, who's a doctor, you know, and there's...

367
00:22:07.799 --> 00:22:08.579
Yeah, there's never treated.

368
00:22:08.700 --> 00:22:09.240
Yeah, exactly right.

369
00:22:09.299 --> 00:22:09.720
Yeah.

370
00:22:09.779 --> 00:22:11.640
I mean, I love as well.

371
00:22:11.700 --> 00:22:20.700
And I think all the 90s tracks get this right at one point or another, is that everyone's doing what they're an expert in. everyone's to technology.

372
00:22:20.759 --> 00:22:32.339
Edry is the psychology, Cisco sort of looking at this as an overview, tell me about the people, like my crew, Bashir, oh, he brings in the, obviously, the metaphor of the week.

373
00:22:32.400 --> 00:22:34.440
David Crockick's weapon.

374
00:22:34.500 --> 00:22:42.059
Yeah, you know, how you get obsessed with them and give them female names. which you reliably tell me is true in other shows as well.

375
00:22:42.119 --> 00:22:47.519
Well, in Jane's character in Firefly has a big gun called Vera.

376
00:22:48.299 --> 00:22:49.859
Vera.

377
00:22:50.940 --> 00:22:51.539
Probably funny.

378
00:22:52.079 --> 00:22:54.119
No.

379
00:22:54.119 --> 00:22:56.579
You probably passed a beer or an Eastbourne, you know?

380
00:22:56.640 --> 00:23:01.559
Well, as an Australian, I'm thinking of vinegar tits in prisoner.

381
00:23:05.220 --> 00:23:08.819
So Ezra only missed being shot by 10 minutes.

382
00:23:08.880 --> 00:23:09.779
Yeah, yeah.

383
00:23:09.779 --> 00:23:12.839
I thought she left when she did. should have stayed and fucked him, you know?

384
00:23:12.900 --> 00:23:27.180
No, because I actually thought that that was actually quite good because he's sort of let says, you know, you could stay or whatever and he said, she says you're drunk and like it's 1999 and, you know, all that talk about consent.

385
00:23:27.240 --> 00:23:30.660
I don't know how advanced it is, but she couldn't fuck him because he's drunk.

386
00:23:30.720 --> 00:23:31.319
Do you know what I mean?

387
00:23:31.440 --> 00:23:32.819
Oh, great, definitely.

388
00:23:32.819 --> 00:23:34.500
Bullet go for 2 people, yeah.

389
00:23:34.799 --> 00:23:39.539
He sees the picture through the lens and then he sees the fucking...

390
00:23:39.539 --> 00:23:41.099
You're not having fun on my watch.

391
00:23:41.220 --> 00:23:42.779
Well, that's right, wasn't he?

392
00:23:42.839 --> 00:23:44.220
Why isn't he killing people who have sex?

393
00:23:44.279 --> 00:23:49.619
Yeah, well, we do go through the cores of 2 people that are having a jolly time sort of laughing in the background.

394
00:23:49.680 --> 00:23:51.299
Oh, look at this line.

395
00:23:51.359 --> 00:23:54.240
He goes, no, you mustn't blame yourself for a Lario's death.

396
00:23:54.299 --> 00:23:57.480
I don't...

397
00:23:57.480 --> 00:24:00.240
I just took him home because he was drunk.

398
00:24:00.299 --> 00:24:01.079
You prick.

399
00:24:01.140 --> 00:24:02.880
You must have played yourself.

400
00:24:02.940 --> 00:24:03.359
What do you mean?

401
00:24:03.420 --> 00:24:04.019
What are you saying?

402
00:24:04.140 --> 00:24:06.779
I got on the counsellor and not you.

403
00:24:06.839 --> 00:24:09.359
That's what you'd be saying in the sessions.

404
00:24:09.420 --> 00:24:12.359
Oh, but now this introduces the idea of Jerome.

405
00:24:12.420 --> 00:24:15.599
I know what it feels like to kill somebody in cold blood.

406
00:24:16.019 --> 00:24:19.380
Yeah, but does he go Duran?

407
00:24:19.440 --> 00:24:20.400
Does he say...

408
00:24:20.400 --> 00:24:26.099
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. yeah So I get it is obeying all the rules, isn't it?

409
00:24:26.160 --> 00:24:28.619
setting up the idea of Duran before...

410
00:24:28.619 --> 00:24:29.940
Yes, before we see it in the mob.

411
00:24:30.000 --> 00:24:33.779
No, well, that's where that's where she gets the idea to call upon Duran.

412
00:24:33.839 --> 00:24:37.440
And so originally the plan had been to create a hologram of Juran.

413
00:24:37.500 --> 00:24:38.279
Right.

414
00:24:38.400 --> 00:24:45.059
Um, and then they just decide, no, let's do some kind of mystical hologram, that would trill.

415
00:24:45.059 --> 00:24:53.099
We had a lot of fun, didn't we, watching him in the background of scenes vanishing in the period. and people reacting to the fact that she was talking to nobody. right.

416
00:24:53.160 --> 00:24:59.400
But I also think the mirror thing, just the thing of seeing him, his, him as her reflection in the mirror and stuff is good.

417
00:24:59.460 --> 00:25:00.119
Oh, don't I?

418
00:25:00.119 --> 00:25:01.200
It's simple.

419
00:25:01.259 --> 00:25:02.039
Yeah, wow.

420
00:25:02.099 --> 00:25:03.779
It often is in 90s.

421
00:25:03.839 --> 00:25:04.559
No, that's good though.

422
00:25:04.619 --> 00:25:06.180
Get your arms off Herbosher.

423
00:25:06.240 --> 00:25:06.779
Right.

424
00:25:06.839 --> 00:25:09.900
Okay, they'll be snorkelling in the turbo lid by the end.

425
00:25:09.960 --> 00:25:11.759
I mean, he's pretty, yeah, yeah.

426
00:25:11.819 --> 00:25:12.900
I'll say put your hands on me.

427
00:25:14.819 --> 00:25:15.839
Oh, are you ready for this?

428
00:25:15.900 --> 00:25:17.400
going to go into the dream sequence now.

429
00:25:17.460 --> 00:25:18.119
Oh yes.

430
00:25:18.180 --> 00:25:19.380
Can you explain it to me?

431
00:25:19.380 --> 00:25:20.940
Because the frame rate changes.

432
00:25:21.000 --> 00:25:24.539
So it's all very juddery and then, you know, nightmarish.

433
00:25:24.599 --> 00:25:25.259
Well, that's good.

434
00:25:25.319 --> 00:25:28.380
I think that's, you know, and this is a guy who hasn't done it before.

435
00:25:28.440 --> 00:25:30.539
It is a thing that Star Trek does, isn't it?

436
00:25:30.599 --> 00:25:32.579
to occasionally.

437
00:25:32.640 --> 00:25:33.599
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

438
00:25:33.660 --> 00:25:35.460
Well, so it starts off at the normal frame, right?

439
00:25:35.519 --> 00:25:40.079
And then all of a sudden it cuts in a minute, so the promenade and that's where she's moving in.

440
00:25:40.140 --> 00:25:42.720
But I think this is already slightly dreamlike.

441
00:25:42.779 --> 00:25:47.400
Isn't it that whip, that pan across to the other thing is odd, yeah?

442
00:25:47.460 --> 00:25:48.119
looking scary.

443
00:25:48.180 --> 00:25:50.039
You tell me, counsellor.

444
00:25:50.640 --> 00:25:52.440
You're dead.

445
00:25:52.559 --> 00:25:54.660
He's so cheesy.

446
00:25:54.720 --> 00:25:55.980
Oh, he's still so pretty though.

447
00:25:56.039 --> 00:25:57.599
Oh, here goes, right.

448
00:25:57.660 --> 00:25:58.980
I'm sorry, Lieutenant.

449
00:25:59.039 --> 00:26:02.940
Nothing more annoying than a cops with a mind of its own.

450
00:26:03.000 --> 00:26:06.000
The makeup looks so shit close.

451
00:26:06.059 --> 00:26:08.039
We're in a dark room.

452
00:26:08.099 --> 00:26:09.359
Oh, there's the blood.

453
00:26:09.420 --> 00:26:10.319
Yeah, you're right.

454
00:26:10.380 --> 00:26:11.279
It is jam.

455
00:26:11.339 --> 00:26:13.440
Or maybe sure, aren't you?

456
00:26:13.559 --> 00:26:14.519
Maybe it's chilli sauce.

457
00:26:14.579 --> 00:26:15.779
I don't like seeing his corpse again.

458
00:26:15.839 --> 00:26:16.259
Yeah.

459
00:26:16.319 --> 00:26:17.700
But here we go.

460
00:26:17.759 --> 00:26:24.900
So we're doing the, we're just using the standing sets, but she's gone from the corridor to inside the quarters and next we go to the Promodores.

461
00:26:24.960 --> 00:26:26.819
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. fucking bridge again.

462
00:26:26.880 --> 00:26:29.579
She's tossed off that bridge, isn't she?

463
00:26:29.640 --> 00:26:34.200
You know, where that lady committed suicide. where Keiko threw herself off when she was possessed.

464
00:26:34.319 --> 00:26:36.240
It's a liability in that bridge.

465
00:26:36.299 --> 00:26:37.920
Someone else has pushed someone else. that bridge.

466
00:26:37.980 --> 00:26:39.119
No loads of people.

467
00:26:39.180 --> 00:26:41.880
Vedic Porter in a session.

468
00:26:41.940 --> 00:26:43.859
Do you remember he pushed the person off the bridge?

469
00:26:43.980 --> 00:26:44.759
Oh, yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.

470
00:26:44.819 --> 00:26:45.660
Because of Mr. Jaro.

471
00:26:45.720 --> 00:26:46.079
That's right.

472
00:26:46.200 --> 00:26:47.160
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right.

473
00:26:47.220 --> 00:26:48.119
Watch this.

474
00:26:48.180 --> 00:26:49.559
Look at Gerard at the piano.

475
00:26:49.619 --> 00:26:52.859
He's practically orgasming over the piano.

476
00:26:52.920 --> 00:26:54.359
So he's a musician.

477
00:26:54.420 --> 00:26:57.000
Yeah, that was established in the 1st one, yeah.

478
00:26:57.119 --> 00:26:59.700
So she kept hearing the sort of haunting music in the 1st one.

479
00:26:59.759 --> 00:27:00.420
Oh, okay.

480
00:27:00.420 --> 00:27:01.079
Which is why.

481
00:27:01.140 --> 00:27:04.680
But you even you said when this, you went, wow, that's piano.

482
00:27:04.740 --> 00:27:06.660
We're going to hit piano very often.

483
00:27:06.660 --> 00:27:07.500
Yeah.

484
00:27:07.559 --> 00:27:19.740
Well, so this music guy who I don't know, memory alpha doesn't properly credit the people who do the music of the episode, I think, because it's such wallpaper, perhaps, but this is a guy who, what they're trying out or something.

485
00:27:19.799 --> 00:27:20.220
Yeah, yeah.

486
00:27:20.279 --> 00:27:21.720
Well, he never does another trek.

487
00:27:21.779 --> 00:27:34.680
No, maybe they weren't happy, but I think it's, especially at the climax where he really goes mad with a load of bloody bongos and things as they're pointing the guns at each other, but that probably Berman watched it and went, oh, spit much.

488
00:27:34.740 --> 00:27:35.400
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

489
00:27:35.460 --> 00:27:37.140
I like it when it's bring it down a bit.

490
00:27:37.200 --> 00:27:37.859
Yeah, yeah.

491
00:27:37.920 --> 00:27:39.839
It's all a bit dynamic.

492
00:27:40.019 --> 00:27:46.440
Yeah, you see, but you see what I mean by like his terrible white guy American hair?

493
00:27:46.500 --> 00:27:51.299
I do, but I also think every single guest actor in 90s Shrek looks like that.

494
00:27:51.420 --> 00:27:54.420
I don't think he's any different from anyone else.

495
00:27:54.539 --> 00:27:56.519
But, you know, he's no Brad Dureff.

496
00:27:56.579 --> 00:27:57.119
Do you know what I mean?

497
00:27:57.180 --> 00:27:58.019
That's true.

498
00:27:58.079 --> 00:27:59.339
Well, who is?

499
00:27:59.400 --> 00:28:00.180
Yeah, well, that's right.

500
00:28:00.240 --> 00:28:01.440
Yeah, there we go.

501
00:28:01.500 --> 00:28:02.400
That's a great cut, though.

502
00:28:02.460 --> 00:28:05.160
And there's like an ear piercing scream.

503
00:28:05.160 --> 00:28:06.480
As you see, you are in slow motion.

504
00:28:06.599 --> 00:28:11.220
Yeah, and then she's in the dark room and she suddenly sits up into shot, which is pretty great.

505
00:28:11.339 --> 00:28:20.339
So one pleases doing sort of weirder things than just because if it had just been the murder mystery, and I don't mind just the murder mystery, but it wouldn't be as fun.

506
00:28:20.460 --> 00:28:21.240
No.

507
00:28:21.299 --> 00:28:21.720
Yeah.

508
00:28:21.779 --> 00:28:30.779
Well, I think that it's the idea that we give it a very Star Trekie character, high concept character thing.

509
00:28:30.839 --> 00:28:31.680
Do you know what I mean?

510
00:28:31.740 --> 00:28:38.220
It's not just her character as, as, you know, Asri, but it's a proper trill stuff we're doing.

511
00:28:38.279 --> 00:28:41.819
And we've done 6 years of true episodes by this point.

512
00:28:41.880 --> 00:28:45.779
So we know the drill with the past lives and we know they can be actualised.

513
00:28:45.839 --> 00:28:46.740
We've done facets.

514
00:28:46.799 --> 00:28:48.779
We've done rejoined with old relationships.

515
00:28:48.839 --> 00:28:50.880
So you can just have fun with it now.

516
00:28:50.940 --> 00:28:55.140
And I don't think you need to go into too much depth to explain it or we've done all that.

517
00:28:55.200 --> 00:28:57.480
It's what I always say about this one.

518
00:28:57.539 --> 00:28:59.579
They did so much legwork in one to three.

519
00:28:59.640 --> 00:29:00.480
They're 4 to 7.

520
00:29:00.539 --> 00:29:01.559
They just got to have fun.

521
00:29:01.619 --> 00:29:04.980
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. because they can just build on stuff they've already established.

522
00:29:05.099 --> 00:29:07.259
I did ask you last night.

523
00:29:07.319 --> 00:29:13.980
Um, do you imagine Michael Westmore was available for the scene where Esley Rope out there and all of her dots were.

524
00:29:13.980 --> 00:29:16.440
Well, we're going right down her boot.

525
00:29:16.500 --> 00:29:18.119
Yeah, to write a night dress.

526
00:29:18.180 --> 00:29:19.859
Yeah, no, he volunteered for sure.

527
00:29:19.980 --> 00:29:21.059
So do you know what?

528
00:29:21.119 --> 00:29:22.079
You have the day off tonight.

529
00:29:22.140 --> 00:29:23.579
I'll do it.

530
00:29:23.640 --> 00:29:25.319
I'll get up at four.

531
00:29:25.380 --> 00:29:28.200
I mean, they do it to Chad Theo about 4 times, you know.

532
00:29:28.259 --> 00:29:30.480
I think he started going, can you write that in?

533
00:29:30.900 --> 00:29:32.579
She's so good.

534
00:29:32.579 --> 00:29:33.660
You know her dots go all night?

535
00:29:33.720 --> 00:29:34.980
You don't have to dress her.

536
00:29:35.039 --> 00:29:36.119
She's very bressy.

537
00:29:36.180 --> 00:29:45.960
Oh, now this I did like because normally these scenes are so pony. tube while talking about an orchid or something, maybe some dreadful metaphor.

538
00:29:46.019 --> 00:29:50.220
Whereas we know that they go to the holiday and play Davy Crockett.

539
00:29:50.279 --> 00:29:50.880
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

540
00:29:50.880 --> 00:29:53.460
So it leans into their characters as well, which I quite like.

541
00:29:53.519 --> 00:29:55.740
But then he gets the idea for the gun here and he's like, okay.

542
00:29:55.799 --> 00:29:58.559
That's how the bullet got into the room.

543
00:29:58.619 --> 00:30:00.599
Yes, I was wondering what this scene was doing.

544
00:30:00.720 --> 00:30:11.819
We was talking and I think you missed some of the pertinent points where he says about David Crockett, he had a series of pans and the bullet ricocheted off the pans.

545
00:30:11.880 --> 00:30:12.900
So he started here.

546
00:30:12.960 --> 00:30:18.299
You could never make that shot, but that's how the bullet got all the way over there and murdered somebody.

547
00:30:18.299 --> 00:30:20.339
And then O'Brien's going, picking.

548
00:30:20.400 --> 00:30:21.599
Yeah, it's this one.

549
00:30:21.599 --> 00:30:25.019
Where he put, he's supposed to have put the target up against the tree.

550
00:30:25.079 --> 00:30:27.900
Yes, I did miss that last night, actually.

551
00:30:28.440 --> 00:30:31.559
But, you know, it joins the dots.

552
00:30:31.619 --> 00:30:33.539
And that's what they have to do in this photo, right?

553
00:30:33.599 --> 00:30:37.619
join the dots to get us to the weapon and then we can just have injury with the weapon.

554
00:30:37.680 --> 00:30:39.180
I don't need anything more than that, really.

555
00:30:39.240 --> 00:30:53.339
Yeah, I mean, in a sense, this is sort of technical stuff that's probably best given to these two, but it does draw, you know, generally speaking, it should be Ezri investigating this movie on her own.

556
00:30:54.180 --> 00:30:57.359
I don't mind everyone sort of chipping in.

557
00:30:57.359 --> 00:30:59.880
Yeah, and, and, oh, where's the melon scene?

558
00:30:59.940 --> 00:31:03.299
So the, I think this is actually really well done.

559
00:31:03.359 --> 00:31:08.759
And I, his line where he sees, he goes nice melon and she's going, oh, I, oh, I see. sorry.

560
00:31:09.000 --> 00:31:12.180
Once the bullets exploded the melon.

561
00:31:12.240 --> 00:31:13.440
He goes, are you all right?

562
00:31:13.500 --> 00:31:15.240
Better than that, man.

563
00:31:15.359 --> 00:31:20.579
But like, there's, like, I don't know what the hell it's standing on, but it looks really great.

564
00:31:20.640 --> 00:31:23.700
We don't sell melons that look like that.

565
00:31:23.700 --> 00:31:25.019
No, it's a space melon.

566
00:31:25.079 --> 00:31:25.680
Oh, okay.

567
00:31:25.680 --> 00:31:28.079
So, Eurydion 3 millon.

568
00:31:28.140 --> 00:31:29.160
Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.

569
00:31:30.539 --> 00:31:40.140
You can sort of, um, uh, if you get a pestla morsa and ground down the pips, it's an aphrodisia, you know, it's like an orgasm.

570
00:31:40.200 --> 00:31:42.180
It's a frozen.

571
00:31:42.240 --> 00:31:43.680
It's gross.

572
00:31:43.740 --> 00:31:45.900
They just put a little explosion in that, haven't they?

573
00:31:45.960 --> 00:31:48.299
Yeah, yeah, it's a prop, isn't it?

574
00:31:48.359 --> 00:31:50.160
But there's some melon in it.

575
00:31:50.220 --> 00:31:53.039
There's also garbage and water and stuff in it too.

576
00:31:53.160 --> 00:31:55.920
Yeah, I don't fancy how you ready at melon.

577
00:31:55.980 --> 00:31:57.119
They're very nice.

578
00:31:58.619 --> 00:31:59.039
Yeah.

579
00:31:59.039 --> 00:32:00.299
You fired through the water.

580
00:32:00.359 --> 00:32:01.680
But now he makes a leap.

581
00:32:01.799 --> 00:32:09.119
So I get the weapon. figured that out for what Julian said, but now he's like, bar, and he's able to look through the walls.

582
00:32:09.180 --> 00:32:12.000
Yeah, because he's got the IP. he, doesn't he?

583
00:32:12.059 --> 00:32:14.039
So he's worked all of that stuff out.

584
00:32:14.099 --> 00:32:16.079
And that was clearly the premise.

585
00:32:16.140 --> 00:32:18.119
That's where we start from, a killer who can do that.

586
00:32:18.180 --> 00:32:23.759
I wondered if it should have been, you know, that brilliant eyepiece that they use on the gem'dar ships.

587
00:32:23.819 --> 00:32:24.059
Yeah.

588
00:32:24.059 --> 00:32:25.079
And they had it gone now.

589
00:32:25.140 --> 00:32:27.299
Wow, you can actually use that.

590
00:32:27.359 --> 00:32:28.319
It looks really good.

591
00:32:28.380 --> 00:32:30.420
It certainly looks better than this stupid yellow thing.

592
00:32:30.660 --> 00:32:32.220
Well, yeah.

593
00:32:32.519 --> 00:32:33.779
That's mostly the problem.

594
00:32:33.839 --> 00:32:36.119
Actually, I'm quite surprised the gun's as good as it is.

595
00:32:36.180 --> 00:32:38.460
So it feels sort of hefty.

596
00:32:38.519 --> 00:32:45.299
Yeah, I think that some, like, it's really relying on acting to feel hefty and that doesn't always work.

597
00:32:45.359 --> 00:32:48.660
So it's not quite as bad as the shitty balsa wood rifle.

598
00:32:49.200 --> 00:32:50.640
Well, not hear it. okay?

599
00:32:50.700 --> 00:32:51.960
I love those girls.

600
00:32:52.559 --> 00:32:55.259
Voyager makes the right decision.

601
00:32:55.319 --> 00:33:00.839
It's informed by how crap those guns are of having much bigger phase arrives.

602
00:33:00.900 --> 00:33:07.799
He's watched so many episodes of murder she wrote, and there's been many scenes of Jessica Fletcher going, what is the connection between these people?

603
00:33:07.859 --> 00:33:14.279
So this, so what, um, Morn has copped off and he's bringing a woman home from the thing.

604
00:33:14.279 --> 00:33:22.019
And the only reason he's there is to motivate the pan across to Asri and the replica, which I think is so great.

605
00:33:22.079 --> 00:33:23.220
Why not do they?

606
00:33:23.279 --> 00:33:24.420
It's really...

607
00:33:24.420 --> 00:33:26.039
But they need to put in an extra for it.

608
00:33:26.099 --> 00:33:26.940
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

609
00:33:26.940 --> 00:33:28.619
And make him up.

610
00:33:28.740 --> 00:33:28.980
Exactly.

611
00:33:29.039 --> 00:33:31.019
But I mean, Maurin's going to be in it, you know.

612
00:33:31.079 --> 00:33:31.980
He's in the background somewhere.

613
00:33:32.099 --> 00:33:34.500
See, I thought this was really nice.

614
00:33:34.559 --> 00:33:38.339
It's sort of like a nothing scene because it's war 1st following her.

615
00:33:38.400 --> 00:33:40.140
Well, we're supposed to think it's the killer.

616
00:33:40.200 --> 00:33:45.059
It's keeping an eye on her, but it uses that promenade set because when it's dark, it's kind of creepy.

617
00:33:45.119 --> 00:33:46.019
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

618
00:33:46.079 --> 00:33:47.759
Look, the camera's moving kind of slowly.

619
00:33:47.819 --> 00:33:51.180
If you could have any old sniper on that top level there.

620
00:33:51.240 --> 00:33:53.339
I think that top level should just be shut down.

621
00:33:53.400 --> 00:33:55.140
It's so much trouble.

622
00:33:55.200 --> 00:33:58.740
Just yellow gaffer tape everywhere saying out of order.

623
00:33:58.799 --> 00:34:01.380
But no, Italy, don't go up there.

624
00:34:01.440 --> 00:34:04.019
Like, don't you think this is quite well directed?

625
00:34:04.079 --> 00:34:07.019
I think it's, yeah, I think it's a really well directed piece.

626
00:34:07.140 --> 00:34:12.300
I also think too, I mean, this is clearly a contractual thing to give Michael something to do this week, right?

627
00:34:12.360 --> 00:34:13.980
It's a nice scene.

628
00:34:14.039 --> 00:34:17.579
I think so too, because it's Michael.

629
00:34:17.639 --> 00:34:27.059
It's Michael, it's Worf's concern for Ezri because Ezri is Dark, which I think is really sweet. tries through that wolf sort of bullshit.

630
00:34:27.119 --> 00:34:28.019
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

631
00:34:28.019 --> 00:34:31.920
He's almost English where he goes, well, I would have done the same thing for Dr. Pashir.

632
00:34:31.980 --> 00:34:33.119
Chief O'Bride.

633
00:34:33.179 --> 00:34:35.400
She goes, you were concerned about me.

634
00:34:35.460 --> 00:34:36.840
Which is nice.

635
00:34:36.900 --> 00:34:38.460
So it's a proper character thing.

636
00:34:38.519 --> 00:34:45.480
It is a, and she's touched like I love how she says you were worried about me and she's actually really pleased.

637
00:34:45.539 --> 00:34:48.659
Because this is the relationship they really need to focus on it.

638
00:34:48.719 --> 00:34:49.199
And they do.

639
00:34:49.260 --> 00:34:52.860
In After Image, he literally says, you're not just there, I want nothing to do with you.

640
00:34:52.920 --> 00:34:56.460
And then at the end of it, he says, she's going to leave.

641
00:34:56.519 --> 00:35:03.659
Yeah, she goes, no, no one can handle me being here and he's the one that goes through and says, just stay, will deal with it.

642
00:35:03.719 --> 00:35:06.780
You know, just stay, which is a great mature moment on his part.

643
00:35:06.840 --> 00:35:20.219
Um, then there's moments like this where you can see he's concerned, which then leads to, obviously, the wonderful sitcom scenes of them having sex and him.

644
00:35:20.280 --> 00:35:25.800
He's such a bitch, considering how many men you have slept with, but it's quite a statement.

645
00:35:25.800 --> 00:35:29.400
He's like, he would have said that to Jed Zia as well.

646
00:35:29.460 --> 00:35:31.079
Oh, shit.

647
00:35:31.079 --> 00:35:40.500
But then the result by the end of the season is he's the one that's sending the turbo lift down when in that soapy scene where they're snogging, her and Bashin.

648
00:35:40.559 --> 00:35:41.099
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

649
00:35:41.219 --> 00:35:44.340
And he goes, oh, fuck, quick. before they're seen, you know?

650
00:35:44.400 --> 00:35:46.320
And it's a really nice relationship.

651
00:35:46.380 --> 00:35:47.340
Again, across a year.

652
00:35:47.400 --> 00:35:48.300
I think it's well done.

653
00:35:48.420 --> 00:35:49.440
Yeah, yeah.

654
00:35:49.500 --> 00:35:52.199
And they just, they get wharf now.

655
00:35:52.260 --> 00:35:54.480
Like, I think it takes them four.

656
00:35:54.539 --> 00:35:55.739
Oh, here we go.

657
00:35:55.800 --> 00:36:00.360
No, that's the, no, that's the onion, the cream of mushroom soup there.

658
00:36:00.420 --> 00:36:03.000
So the cream of mushroom soup is better.

659
00:36:03.000 --> 00:36:04.500
That's dwarf's idea, isn't it?

660
00:36:04.559 --> 00:36:05.400
Like it's wharf.

661
00:36:05.460 --> 00:36:07.440
You are, Dax, it's your way.

662
00:36:07.500 --> 00:36:09.900
And so if it needs to.

663
00:36:09.960 --> 00:36:13.739
Yeah, so wharf motivates her to do this as well.

664
00:36:13.800 --> 00:36:15.420
So it's a good, that's a good scene.

665
00:36:15.480 --> 00:36:19.980
So it really is from scene to scene, connecting the dots in the right direction.

666
00:36:20.099 --> 00:36:20.940
Yeah, yeah.

667
00:36:21.000 --> 00:36:24.119
So, so I think what they do a good job of there.

668
00:36:24.179 --> 00:36:39.360
Let's say this, they do a good job of setting up this thing where her and Joanna investigate the murder, but they don't do a good job of working out the actual kind of misery.

669
00:36:39.480 --> 00:36:40.980
Which is a shame because if it had.

670
00:36:41.039 --> 00:36:44.099
I mean, it would still be filler, but I think it would be more sad.

671
00:36:44.219 --> 00:36:46.440
But by that point, honestly, the drums were in.

672
00:36:46.500 --> 00:36:50.340
She's pointing the camera. the gun straight at me in the climax.

673
00:36:50.400 --> 00:36:52.320
I'm still having fun.

674
00:36:52.380 --> 00:36:52.980
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

675
00:36:53.039 --> 00:36:55.199
Should we call this the silence of the trails?

676
00:36:55.320 --> 00:36:56.940
Yeah, that's a weird.

677
00:36:57.000 --> 00:37:03.900
See, the 90s are, of course, the era of the consulting psychopath. and obviously...

678
00:37:03.900 --> 00:37:04.980
Brad Dorff in Voyager.

679
00:37:04.980 --> 00:37:06.659
We have one in Next Generation.

680
00:37:06.719 --> 00:37:07.800
I don't think so.

681
00:37:07.860 --> 00:37:09.780
It's all interesting, were they?

682
00:37:09.840 --> 00:37:22.320
Well, I think probably they were a little bit behind, you know, it sometimes takes Star Trek a little while to catch up with the sort of stuff, but also, you know, the serial killer isn't really a thing that you would have in Star Trek, the Next Generation.

683
00:37:22.380 --> 00:37:26.760
We generally have a consulting psychopath about 5 times a year at Garak.

684
00:37:26.820 --> 00:37:27.960
So they're quite...

685
00:37:28.019 --> 00:37:30.900
And occasionally, Dakart, in the early seasons.

686
00:37:30.960 --> 00:37:31.619
That's true.

687
00:37:31.679 --> 00:37:32.159
That's true.

688
00:37:32.219 --> 00:37:33.599
Well, that mud.

689
00:37:33.719 --> 00:37:36.300
I mean, actually, don't you think a scream of mushroom soup?

690
00:37:36.360 --> 00:37:40.139
Stuff you put on your face, you know, and you as a baby's possible afterwards.

691
00:37:40.199 --> 00:37:42.719
I just love, look at him.

692
00:37:42.780 --> 00:37:46.019
He's like, there's nothing naturalistic about his performance at all.

693
00:37:46.079 --> 00:37:50.579
He sort of always, always toot in his head. that hair, though. bizarre looks.

694
00:37:50.639 --> 00:37:51.360
Yeah.

695
00:37:51.420 --> 00:37:52.440
Oh, well, I won't go for it.

696
00:37:52.559 --> 00:37:53.400
It's really bad.

697
00:37:53.460 --> 00:37:54.119
No doubt.

698
00:37:54.900 --> 00:38:01.320
She now has a permanent scowl on her face for the rest of the day, yeah, because she hates it.

699
00:38:01.380 --> 00:38:05.099
I mean, at one point she does go, right, I've had enough of you. goes back to the mob, doesn't she?

700
00:38:05.159 --> 00:38:07.079
Yeah, yeah, yeah, she's going to get rid of you.

701
00:38:07.139 --> 00:38:09.599
Unfortunately, her bowling is killed at just that moment.

702
00:38:09.719 --> 00:38:10.980
Yeah, this distracts her.

703
00:38:11.039 --> 00:38:11.639
Oh here we go.

704
00:38:11.699 --> 00:38:12.780
So he's the big gun.

705
00:38:12.780 --> 00:38:14.219
TR 116.

706
00:38:14.400 --> 00:38:14.880
Yeah.

707
00:38:14.880 --> 00:38:15.719
Yeah.

708
00:38:15.780 --> 00:38:17.460
Take it down, Ezri.

709
00:38:17.519 --> 00:38:19.860
You need to think the way the killer thinks.

710
00:38:19.920 --> 00:38:27.599
So do you think that they, so there's that thing where she says I have actually held a gun before?

711
00:38:27.599 --> 00:38:28.679
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

712
00:38:28.739 --> 00:38:30.300
In AR 556, right?

713
00:38:30.360 --> 00:38:33.000
She's got one of those balls award guns.

714
00:38:34.079 --> 00:38:36.960
You can buy them, you know, I might get well.

715
00:38:39.539 --> 00:38:41.639
You're still laughing now.

716
00:38:41.699 --> 00:38:44.880
I know you think you'd need a little eyepiece as well.

717
00:38:44.940 --> 00:38:47.400
Well, if it is, it won't last long, will it?

718
00:38:47.460 --> 00:38:48.300
I mean I'd love that gun.

719
00:38:48.360 --> 00:38:48.780
Look at that.

720
00:38:48.840 --> 00:38:50.340
It's pretty good.

721
00:38:50.400 --> 00:38:51.960
It might be considered an offensive weapon.

722
00:38:52.019 --> 00:38:53.340
I like carrying that.

723
00:38:53.400 --> 00:38:54.179
Yeah, yeah.

724
00:38:54.239 --> 00:38:55.679
Stop placating me.

725
00:38:56.099 --> 00:38:58.139
You want it my help now.

726
00:38:58.199 --> 00:38:59.159
Now, do as I say.

727
00:38:59.699 --> 00:39:04.500
But he's trying to be a bit seductive, but failing miserably.

728
00:39:04.559 --> 00:39:09.000
Well, yes, it would be nice if he was a little bit more seductive.

729
00:39:09.059 --> 00:39:12.659
He's just looking a little bit kind of petulant, isn't he?

730
00:39:13.380 --> 00:39:16.260
Oh, the weapons, if you're going to use it.

731
00:39:16.320 --> 00:39:19.920
Yeah, and you see, none of it doesn't seem to that that's necessary.

732
00:39:19.980 --> 00:39:22.559
He's doing the arm behind the back though, isn't he?

733
00:39:23.340 --> 00:39:25.980
They said, that's the one tick of Dax, you know.

734
00:39:26.039 --> 00:39:26.579
Yes.

735
00:39:26.639 --> 00:39:27.659
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

736
00:39:27.719 --> 00:39:30.000
Oh, she looks so cool with it. don't care.

737
00:39:30.659 --> 00:39:35.820
Because she's so cute, so to make you look like a killer as well.

738
00:39:35.820 --> 00:39:37.260
Oh, here we go, through the wall.

739
00:39:37.320 --> 00:39:38.460
It's really well done.

740
00:39:38.519 --> 00:39:40.260
I think it's really, really well done.

741
00:39:40.320 --> 00:39:43.860
And the little reticule thing that, you know, the targeting reticule thing.

742
00:39:43.920 --> 00:39:45.300
Oh, when it's on somebody.

743
00:39:45.360 --> 00:39:46.980
Yeah, and it's...

744
00:39:47.039 --> 00:39:47.880
And then it lights up.

745
00:39:47.940 --> 00:39:54.960
But that's all established here so that that that scene of the 2 of them shooting at each other.

746
00:39:55.019 --> 00:40:01.079
How did they do the did they just cut from zooming in through the corridor to be in the next room?

747
00:40:01.139 --> 00:40:02.039
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

748
00:40:02.099 --> 00:40:04.619
But they keep the camera moving at the same kind of rate.

749
00:40:04.679 --> 00:40:06.420
And I think just looks really good.

750
00:40:06.480 --> 00:40:11.760
I think it just, it works really well. and also the camera kind of sort of stops for a second.

751
00:40:11.820 --> 00:40:13.380
Going for the bulkheads.

752
00:40:13.500 --> 00:40:14.340
Yeah, yeah, it's really good.

753
00:40:14.400 --> 00:40:18.780
And it doesn't stop long enough for you to say our shit, whatever they've conjured up is.

754
00:40:18.900 --> 00:40:20.340
Yeah, no I think it's great.

755
00:40:20.400 --> 00:40:26.940
So, but it's not clear why this is necessary. is part of the problem.

756
00:40:27.000 --> 00:40:29.820
Well, whoa, I think he's wants such to kill somebody.

757
00:40:29.880 --> 00:40:41.159
No, no, but I mean, for it, for this to work, it has to be, um, it has to be necessary to do this in order to solve the crime.

758
00:40:41.219 --> 00:40:48.780
But I thought she was, yeah, he's literally listing out all the things that the killer must be feeling whilst they're holding the gum.

759
00:40:48.840 --> 00:40:52.860
So it's supposed to lead us to their calm, methodical.

760
00:40:52.920 --> 00:40:54.900
Yeah, we've got the a scientist or a doctor.

761
00:40:54.960 --> 00:40:56.219
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

762
00:40:56.940 --> 00:41:00.659
But is it necessary to hold the gun to do that?

763
00:41:00.719 --> 00:41:02.159
She looks great.

764
00:41:02.219 --> 00:41:04.320
Oh, look, he's close-up, slur.

765
00:41:05.519 --> 00:41:06.599
Shoot him, Esree.

766
00:41:07.199 --> 00:41:10.139
They'll just think of the killer again, weren't they?

767
00:41:10.199 --> 00:41:11.340
She's got some blackheads there.

768
00:41:11.400 --> 00:41:12.179
What's that?

769
00:41:12.239 --> 00:41:14.519
She's got the bloody sight right in the middle of his forehead.

770
00:41:14.579 --> 00:41:15.539
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

771
00:41:15.599 --> 00:41:16.019
It's great.

772
00:41:16.079 --> 00:41:19.860
Like, it could have just been, you know, what if you...

773
00:41:19.920 --> 00:41:21.659
Oh, actually, no, maybe not.

774
00:41:21.719 --> 00:41:24.239
He goes, the gun isn't loaded.

775
00:41:30.300 --> 00:41:33.179
I mean, I couldn't see a series out of this, but as a one-off.

776
00:41:33.239 --> 00:41:34.019
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

777
00:41:34.139 --> 00:41:38.099
I think it works really well Oh, here she is on the Promenade.

778
00:41:38.159 --> 00:41:42.840
I don't think it's insane, but it is later when they've told the actors just when you walk past her.

779
00:41:43.320 --> 00:41:45.119
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

780
00:41:45.239 --> 00:41:46.679
Once she having a row with herself.

781
00:41:46.800 --> 00:41:47.820
Yeah, that's right.

782
00:41:47.880 --> 00:41:49.019
Although Quork comes up.

783
00:41:49.079 --> 00:41:49.559
K comes in.

784
00:41:49.619 --> 00:41:50.219
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

785
00:41:50.280 --> 00:41:52.800
Well, that's his contractually mandate.

786
00:41:52.920 --> 00:41:54.599
You've been working too hard, Ezra.

787
00:41:54.659 --> 00:41:56.519
You have an argument with yourself, you know?

788
00:41:56.579 --> 00:41:58.019
I mean I frequently do that.

789
00:41:58.079 --> 00:41:59.400
Is that unusual for you?

790
00:41:59.460 --> 00:42:00.300
do that all the time.

791
00:42:00.420 --> 00:42:02.579
I have a row with myself.

792
00:42:03.599 --> 00:42:12.480
So Duran moves back in order to make it realistic that he's standing, you know, to let him stand near enough to have that conversation.

793
00:42:12.599 --> 00:42:19.559
And this is a character beat in series 7 as well, because when he realises as he's on the station, he makes a play for it because he always loves Jazia.

794
00:42:19.559 --> 00:42:20.280
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

795
00:42:20.340 --> 00:42:22.139
Ezra has hot eyes.

796
00:42:22.199 --> 00:42:25.559
And so we do the O'Brien versus...

797
00:42:25.619 --> 00:42:27.000
Bashir versus Corp.

798
00:42:27.059 --> 00:42:29.400
Yeah, you know, in the race.

799
00:42:29.460 --> 00:42:30.119
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

800
00:42:30.179 --> 00:42:32.400
And he's really sweet about it as well.

801
00:42:32.460 --> 00:42:33.420
Yeah.

802
00:42:33.480 --> 00:42:35.820
Well, I mean, he really likes stacks.

803
00:42:35.880 --> 00:42:40.139
That's one of the great things I suppose I'll have to make myself more endearing.

804
00:42:40.199 --> 00:42:42.659
I'll do that in podcast, actually.

805
00:42:42.719 --> 00:42:44.460
Oh, bit closer.

806
00:42:45.059 --> 00:42:47.699
What is it that could link these people?

807
00:42:47.760 --> 00:42:48.480
You know?

808
00:42:48.539 --> 00:42:57.659
in memory, I've had a big close-up of the photo and poor old Hector is very, very inexpertly Photoshopped.

809
00:42:58.679 --> 00:43:02.039
Well, I mean, I'm pleased I don't linger on it too.

810
00:43:02.400 --> 00:43:04.500
I really like it.

811
00:43:04.559 --> 00:43:07.559
I know I've said this before, but I'm very aware of it in this episode.

812
00:43:07.559 --> 00:43:09.539
The lighting sources inside the room.

813
00:43:09.599 --> 00:43:15.300
It's just so much more atmospheric than TNG. with its sort of lounge lighting.

814
00:43:15.360 --> 00:43:19.320
It does tend to be a bit darker than TNG.

815
00:43:19.380 --> 00:43:20.519
Like there's less light.

816
00:43:20.579 --> 00:43:22.260
I love the blue in the corridors.

817
00:43:22.320 --> 00:43:23.219
I think that's...

818
00:43:23.219 --> 00:43:24.659
Yeah, yeah, yeah, atmospheric.

819
00:43:24.719 --> 00:43:26.639
But like we talked about ops before as well.

820
00:43:26.699 --> 00:43:28.920
And there's just light and sources coming from everywhere.

821
00:43:28.980 --> 00:43:30.239
The ceiling, the floor.

822
00:43:30.360 --> 00:43:31.619
The sides.

823
00:43:31.980 --> 00:43:33.420
Okay.

824
00:43:33.480 --> 00:43:40.980
Oh, I did think last night now, we're sort of looking around the quarters a bit too long now, you know, like, okay, come on, let's find the link.

825
00:43:41.039 --> 00:43:43.139
Yeah, yeah.

826
00:43:43.199 --> 00:43:47.280
So now we're in Greta's quarters, there's the 2nd person to be killed.

827
00:43:47.519 --> 00:43:50.760
And so, she was married.

828
00:43:50.820 --> 00:43:54.480
She's been here a long time, a monument to Matt.

829
00:43:56.159 --> 00:43:58.320
Just an observation.

830
00:43:58.380 --> 00:44:02.940
Actually, I mean, that's quite good though, isn't it a little character thing?

831
00:44:03.000 --> 00:44:05.400
So she's been taking her photos.

832
00:44:05.460 --> 00:44:08.519
This is her wedding photo, but someone's left live photo.

833
00:44:08.639 --> 00:44:12.119
So it moves when you kind of pick it up.

834
00:44:12.179 --> 00:44:13.500
I like live version.

835
00:44:13.559 --> 00:44:14.460
I don't a lot.

836
00:44:14.519 --> 00:44:17.519
I don't know what you miss around the picture.

837
00:44:18.780 --> 00:44:20.639
She was married.

838
00:44:20.639 --> 00:44:21.719
Allario was single.

839
00:44:21.780 --> 00:44:23.219
She was on his base 9 for years.

840
00:44:23.280 --> 00:44:25.019
So what do they have in common?

841
00:44:25.079 --> 00:44:27.179
Well, we just looked at the photo in his quarters.

842
00:44:27.239 --> 00:44:29.460
Now we're looking for the greatest quarters.

843
00:44:29.519 --> 00:44:32.039
Besides any of them, they have nothing in common.

844
00:44:32.099 --> 00:44:36.900
And that's part of this thing, she's giving this big speech about nothing at common. could just be random.

845
00:44:36.960 --> 00:44:40.440
And you're kind of thinking, but what about the photos, Ezra?

846
00:44:40.500 --> 00:44:43.079
And so she does end up being dumber than...

847
00:44:43.139 --> 00:44:44.400
It could have been even worse.

848
00:44:44.460 --> 00:44:47.159
It could have been like somebody who's like a photographer.

849
00:44:47.219 --> 00:44:49.980
It was like, stokes photographs are so bad.

850
00:44:49.980 --> 00:44:50.820
I'm going to kill you.

851
00:44:50.880 --> 00:44:51.960
I'm gonna murder you.

852
00:44:52.019 --> 00:44:55.320
Yeah, you're so poorly Photoshopped into that photo.

853
00:44:55.380 --> 00:44:57.960
You know, I once went on a date with somebody, right?

854
00:44:58.019 --> 00:45:01.619
was looking across the table at me a bit menacing like that.

855
00:45:01.679 --> 00:45:04.199
Yeah, he was a doc, sorry, he was...

856
00:45:04.199 --> 00:45:06.480
I think he wanted to dissect me or something.

857
00:45:06.539 --> 00:45:07.679
Jeffrey Dahmer.

858
00:45:07.739 --> 00:45:09.179
That wasn't euphemism.

859
00:45:09.360 --> 00:45:11.820
You want to turn me into a killer?

860
00:45:11.880 --> 00:45:12.960
I say, I love being flower.

861
00:45:13.019 --> 00:45:14.340
So shit, man.

862
00:45:14.400 --> 00:45:16.739
Oh, she goes, you want to turn me into a killer.

863
00:45:16.800 --> 00:45:17.699
What do you say?

864
00:45:17.760 --> 00:45:18.239
I stop?

865
00:45:18.599 --> 00:45:20.039
Oh, this bit now.

866
00:45:20.099 --> 00:45:21.300
Oh, yeah, yeah.

867
00:45:21.360 --> 00:45:26.340
So here's the man who's been replicating TR 116 because he's a gun collector.

868
00:45:26.400 --> 00:45:30.840
And again, that's the shittiest fucking red herring ever.

869
00:45:30.900 --> 00:45:35.400
You know, of all the guns that there could possibly be, he's replicated.

870
00:45:35.460 --> 00:45:36.960
They built it across the face.

871
00:45:37.019 --> 00:45:39.539
I mean, I pick up the knife.

872
00:45:39.599 --> 00:45:41.280
Although she's really going for it.

873
00:45:41.340 --> 00:45:44.880
She sort of shaking her hand like, I'm going to stab you to death.

874
00:45:45.539 --> 00:45:48.719
You laughed your head off when we were watching this.

875
00:45:48.780 --> 00:45:51.000
It casts to Cisco's quarters and he picks up the knife.

876
00:45:51.000 --> 00:45:52.380
I'm, do you want to exit them?

877
00:45:54.059 --> 00:45:58.260
This is not normal behaviour, you know. in an investigation.

878
00:45:59.340 --> 00:46:03.179
I think she goes, she goes, gee, don't give up on me.

879
00:46:03.239 --> 00:46:03.900
I can find it.

880
00:46:03.960 --> 00:46:08.280
He's like, if I hear anything like this, it happens again and you're out of this.

881
00:46:08.280 --> 00:46:09.480
It's so overreacted.

882
00:46:10.800 --> 00:46:13.019
He goes, oh, say so.

883
00:46:13.920 --> 00:46:16.920
I'm sorry, things go out of hand.

884
00:46:16.980 --> 00:46:19.199
And then she know, now she's leaping.

885
00:46:19.260 --> 00:46:20.460
What, you kill 2 people?

886
00:46:20.519 --> 00:46:22.260
Did you even look into?

887
00:46:22.920 --> 00:46:26.280
Are you sure you should be running this investigation?

888
00:46:26.400 --> 00:46:33.960
But just a sec, didn't we hear that anyone had access to those things who was a Starfleet officer?

889
00:46:33.960 --> 00:46:36.300
And there's 900 stoppers.

890
00:46:36.360 --> 00:46:41.880
Southfleet officers, but he, but Bertram accessed it without authorisation.

891
00:46:41.940 --> 00:46:45.960
Yes, and but he was on Bajor, wasn't he?

892
00:46:46.019 --> 00:46:47.099
That's why he got out of it.

893
00:46:47.159 --> 00:46:49.079
He wasn't there for the 1st murder.

894
00:46:49.139 --> 00:46:49.739
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

895
00:46:49.800 --> 00:46:51.420
Yeah, it couldn't be him because he was on Bajor.

896
00:46:51.480 --> 00:46:53.039
Connie Beamer bulletin from Bajor?

897
00:46:53.099 --> 00:46:55.019
I think that's probably a bit far.

898
00:46:55.079 --> 00:46:56.639
Because you can't beam to that.

899
00:46:56.699 --> 00:46:57.659
It's a war between planets.

900
00:46:57.659 --> 00:47:00.239
We haven't been in person to Beijor, can you?

901
00:47:00.300 --> 00:47:00.900
Oh that's true.

902
00:47:00.960 --> 00:47:03.659
Yeah, I think like we're a bully, you know, it's quite small.

903
00:47:03.719 --> 00:47:04.320
Maybe.

904
00:47:04.380 --> 00:47:05.340
Maybe.

905
00:47:05.400 --> 00:47:07.980
Oh, we spent a bit of time in this ugly lift, don't we?

906
00:47:08.039 --> 00:47:09.780
With these dreadful 2 shots.

907
00:47:11.880 --> 00:47:15.960
I mean, just you wait until the killer walks in the lift later.

908
00:47:16.019 --> 00:47:16.980
That's my favourite bit.

909
00:47:17.039 --> 00:47:17.940
Yeah.

910
00:47:17.940 --> 00:47:18.659
Oh my god.

911
00:47:18.719 --> 00:47:19.920
It's him, Ezry.

912
00:47:19.980 --> 00:47:21.360
Oh, really?

913
00:47:21.420 --> 00:47:25.079
The killer just happened to the lift 30 minutes into this episode.

914
00:47:25.139 --> 00:47:26.940
Say how many people are on the station?

915
00:47:27.000 --> 00:47:28.739
There must be 1000s of people.

916
00:47:28.860 --> 00:47:29.880
A couple of thousand, yeah.

917
00:47:29.940 --> 00:47:32.340
And 900 of them are Starfleet officers.

918
00:47:32.400 --> 00:47:35.340
Yeah, there's something like 600 pajuras.

919
00:47:35.400 --> 00:47:37.260
So they're listing more.

920
00:47:37.320 --> 00:47:40.860
And they work on a 26 hour rotating ship.

921
00:47:40.920 --> 00:47:41.760
Yes, of course they do.

922
00:47:41.820 --> 00:47:43.320
Yeah, I think it's 4 shifts.

923
00:47:43.380 --> 00:47:45.300
Hang on, 26 hours, 4 shifts.

924
00:47:45.360 --> 00:47:46.559
Yeah.

925
00:47:46.559 --> 00:47:48.000
That's not a long day, is it?

926
00:47:48.059 --> 00:47:48.960
7.5 .

927
00:47:49.019 --> 00:47:50.820
I better get a transfer.

928
00:47:52.079 --> 00:47:54.179
I hate all of this.

929
00:47:54.239 --> 00:47:54.960
Yeah, yeah.

930
00:47:54.960 --> 00:47:56.880
Team Ducks, Nazza, I am.

931
00:47:57.239 --> 00:47:58.860
What's that?

932
00:47:58.860 --> 00:48:00.000
A lot of Zeds in it.

933
00:48:00.000 --> 00:48:01.380
Dazoo bikes.

934
00:48:01.380 --> 00:48:06.659
Brock, you're a wolf just lean on the keyboard.

935
00:48:06.719 --> 00:48:15.659
But I quite like, like, this where she just says, no, actually, fuck off. you can go because I can't be stabbing people or I'll get in trouble.

936
00:48:15.719 --> 00:48:21.480
Um, and but she, and Duran's kind of surprised that it didn't quite work.

937
00:48:21.840 --> 00:48:25.019
When they're called away, he's got a smuggler.

938
00:48:25.079 --> 00:48:26.400
That's really good.

939
00:48:26.460 --> 00:48:28.380
Yeah, oh, I bolian.

940
00:48:28.440 --> 00:48:29.039
Yeah.

941
00:48:29.039 --> 00:48:32.519
He has a co-husband on Belarus.

942
00:48:32.579 --> 00:48:33.119
Yes.

943
00:48:33.179 --> 00:48:35.219
Now do they have sex with their co-husbands?

944
00:48:35.280 --> 00:48:37.320
I like sex with their kind as well.

945
00:48:37.380 --> 00:48:39.300
Why isn't he a husband then?

946
00:48:39.960 --> 00:48:43.320
He has a whole polycule on Bolaris.

947
00:48:43.380 --> 00:48:48.000
They're sort of revolutionary, but only halfway there.

948
00:48:48.059 --> 00:48:50.519
Well, see, I think it's a little bit more like...

949
00:48:50.519 --> 00:48:54.000
It's a bit like, you know, when they gave us, you know, simple partnerships instead of marriage.

950
00:48:54.059 --> 00:48:55.559
The terminology.

951
00:48:55.619 --> 00:49:02.460
They didn't want to get too bold, but, you know, and the word cogenitor was spoiled by those horrible people.

952
00:49:02.519 --> 00:49:04.559
I just thought I'd have blue butts, wouldn't they?

953
00:49:04.619 --> 00:49:06.059
Yeah, not polio.

954
00:49:06.119 --> 00:49:07.260
Okay.

955
00:49:08.400 --> 00:49:10.440
I love his line.

956
00:49:10.500 --> 00:49:13.679
How can he be so happy with such ugly children?

957
00:49:13.739 --> 00:49:14.519
is so great.

958
00:49:14.579 --> 00:49:19.920
I mean, and it is, even though her realising finally that the photo raw sort of thing.

959
00:49:19.980 --> 00:49:21.360
It is a good way of getting us to it.

960
00:49:21.420 --> 00:49:23.579
Yeah, yeah. and it's smiling photos.

961
00:49:23.639 --> 00:49:27.239
And again, that pan, you know, the whip pan across between the things.

962
00:49:27.239 --> 00:49:28.139
Not the visual language.

963
00:49:28.139 --> 00:49:29.639
It's not normal, is it?

964
00:49:29.699 --> 00:49:30.239
No.

965
00:49:30.239 --> 00:49:31.380
You would get it now.

966
00:49:31.440 --> 00:49:32.820
She's laughing.

967
00:49:32.880 --> 00:49:35.099
That's what the victims have in common.

968
00:49:35.159 --> 00:49:36.360
Oh, well done.

969
00:49:36.420 --> 00:49:37.199
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

970
00:49:37.260 --> 00:49:39.659
Yeah, you're only 10 minutes behind us.

971
00:49:39.719 --> 00:49:43.019
All the leaps happen now because we're 30 minutes in.

972
00:49:43.079 --> 00:49:45.119
We need to get to the end and find the killer.

973
00:49:45.179 --> 00:49:47.099
So she's like, it's making him lose control.

974
00:49:47.159 --> 00:49:48.480
It's definitely a Vulcan.

975
00:49:48.539 --> 00:49:49.860
He can't stand smile.

976
00:49:49.980 --> 00:49:50.159
What?

977
00:49:50.219 --> 00:49:51.000
Yeah, yeah.

978
00:49:51.059 --> 00:49:55.800
But I think the problem is, yeah, you're thinking like he thinks good.

979
00:49:55.860 --> 00:50:01.199
But I think the problem is that it's not really necessary. needs to be evidence beyond the photos.

980
00:50:01.199 --> 00:50:23.639
But there also, there's, it's not just that, that, that he needs to be like Juran or like her in some way, that, that, that, it needs to be like a picture of what might happen to Ezri if, you know, what the stakes are, like, because Duran's trying to turn Ezri into a murderer, you know, what does that look like?

981
00:50:23.699 --> 00:50:26.760
There just needs to, there just needs to go an extra step.

982
00:50:26.880 --> 00:50:28.079
I just don't buy the leaf.

983
00:50:28.139 --> 00:50:31.320
I don't know anything. like just DNA or something.

984
00:50:31.380 --> 00:50:31.619
Right.

985
00:50:31.679 --> 00:50:33.539
Shit, there's Vulcan DNA on this weapon.

986
00:50:33.659 --> 00:50:36.059
Okay, that makes sense because of the photograph.

987
00:50:36.179 --> 00:50:38.219
Yeah, yeah, why do we assume it's a vulture?

988
00:50:38.280 --> 00:50:39.119
Just something extra.

989
00:50:39.179 --> 00:50:41.099
Although I did love that a minute ago.

990
00:50:41.159 --> 00:50:47.400
The camera pans from their console around to Ezri going, okay, we got 28 suspects left.

991
00:50:47.519 --> 00:50:49.619
We're getting close then.

992
00:50:49.679 --> 00:50:53.579
And then we've only got one suspect in a minute when we walk into the lift.

993
00:50:53.639 --> 00:51:00.000
And this, the way the photograph free of the emotion. making it seem like the laughter is going to come out forever.

994
00:51:00.059 --> 00:51:06.780
Mind you, that old couple walked past behind them and they both turned and looked at her talking to no one, which I thought was really good.

995
00:51:06.840 --> 00:51:08.460
Maybe they're to distract us from the line.

996
00:51:08.519 --> 00:51:09.719
That terrible lie.

997
00:51:09.780 --> 00:51:11.460
But then he comes in, right?

998
00:51:11.460 --> 00:51:15.900
And, you know, we've never seen a Vulcan look more like a serial killer than this man.

999
00:51:16.619 --> 00:51:20.280
Although she goes, because Durand's looking at him really closely.

1000
00:51:20.340 --> 00:51:21.179
She goes, what are you doing?

1001
00:51:21.239 --> 00:51:23.699
And the Vulcan goes, are you addressing me?

1002
00:51:24.480 --> 00:51:26.579
There is, look at him.

1003
00:51:26.639 --> 00:51:28.019
Of course he's the killer.

1004
00:51:28.079 --> 00:51:38.639
He looks like a psychopath right at the end of the other end. so that invisible Geran can stand between them. thoughtful like that, you know, he's heard there's some trill stuff going there.

1005
00:51:38.699 --> 00:51:40.920
Are you addressing me?

1006
00:51:41.099 --> 00:51:42.900
Yeah, yeah.

1007
00:51:42.960 --> 00:51:45.239
This is hilarious.

1008
00:51:45.300 --> 00:51:51.239
I think he's told to go close to her in this shot in a second. but he's too close and then he moves back.

1009
00:51:51.300 --> 00:51:51.900
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1010
00:51:51.960 --> 00:51:54.420
Because she looks straight at her and it looks like a kiss.

1011
00:51:54.840 --> 00:51:57.179
Just come back, come back, come back.

1012
00:51:57.239 --> 00:51:58.380
Okay, we don't need to go again.

1013
00:51:58.440 --> 00:51:58.800
It's fine.

1014
00:52:00.059 --> 00:52:02.340
Oh, dear God.

1015
00:52:02.400 --> 00:52:05.099
By the way, I'm Counsellor Tax.

1016
00:52:05.159 --> 00:52:08.940
I know who you are, but I've got to fucking go and kill somebody, all right?

1017
00:52:09.000 --> 00:52:12.059
Oh, no, now straight away he goes to look for her brother.

1018
00:52:12.119 --> 00:52:12.840
No, it goes to kill her.

1019
00:52:12.900 --> 00:52:14.039
Do you suspect that it's her now?

1020
00:52:14.099 --> 00:52:14.760
Yeah, yeah.

1021
00:52:14.820 --> 00:52:16.019
I mean, the sequence is wonderful.

1022
00:52:16.079 --> 00:52:18.300
Yeah, I think this is...

1023
00:52:18.360 --> 00:52:19.139
Oh, it's really good.

1024
00:52:19.139 --> 00:52:20.639
And they do a great job.

1025
00:52:20.699 --> 00:52:28.860
And the bit that I thought was just magnificent is that she shoots him dead using the same weapon.

1026
00:52:28.920 --> 00:52:36.840
And I guess that's why we need, you know, Duran to have her use the weapon so that she uses it to solve the problem.

1027
00:52:36.900 --> 00:52:38.579
And the only reason works.

1028
00:52:38.639 --> 00:52:46.380
He doesn't get an accurate shot on hers because he's pulled backless from her bullet, but it's just...

1029
00:52:46.440 --> 00:52:48.300
It's so grand.

1030
00:52:48.300 --> 00:52:50.219
The vacuum of space coming in, haven't you?

1031
00:52:50.280 --> 00:52:51.719
Yeah, really well done.

1032
00:52:51.780 --> 00:52:53.099
I love, I love.

1033
00:52:53.519 --> 00:52:55.619
I mean, just the idea of the 2 of them look at it.

1034
00:52:55.679 --> 00:52:56.340
Yeah, yeah.

1035
00:52:56.340 --> 00:52:57.300
It's really good.

1036
00:52:57.360 --> 00:52:59.639
The buildup of the music is really well done.

1037
00:52:59.760 --> 00:53:04.739
But it's when the music just cuts and they're both just staring at each other. who's going to make the 1st move?

1038
00:53:04.860 --> 00:53:11.760
But also the reticule, the way that they've established how the reticule turns red when, like, it's got a target.

1039
00:53:11.820 --> 00:53:12.780
I think is great.

1040
00:53:12.840 --> 00:53:15.239
Come on, Ezra, get that gun out the wall.

1041
00:53:17.039 --> 00:53:19.320
She's all business now.

1042
00:53:19.440 --> 00:53:21.000
You know what?

1043
00:53:21.059 --> 00:53:23.880
If I get that Vulcan within my sights, he's dead.

1044
00:53:24.420 --> 00:53:29.519
Because, of course, we established that it wasn't loaded before, so she's now loading the gun.

1045
00:53:29.579 --> 00:53:35.039
Gosh, you have a big gun in every sky. you should have a big gun in every scene.

1046
00:53:35.099 --> 00:53:38.460
She's doing the face now of like, yeah, okay, here we go.

1047
00:53:38.519 --> 00:53:39.960
Yeah, this.

1048
00:53:40.019 --> 00:53:41.699
It's really good.

1049
00:53:41.820 --> 00:53:46.139
The camera goes over his shoulder in a really impressive way as well, straight to the straight.

1050
00:53:46.199 --> 00:53:47.340
She goes, oh, it's me.

1051
00:53:47.340 --> 00:53:51.659
And then the music goes, dun, dun, but goes through him.

1052
00:53:51.719 --> 00:53:54.239
It actually goes through his back, doesn't it?

1053
00:53:54.360 --> 00:53:55.920
That's how they do that.

1054
00:53:55.920 --> 00:53:56.579
It's good.

1055
00:53:56.639 --> 00:53:57.599
I think it's really good.

1056
00:53:57.659 --> 00:53:59.039
It's my service record.

1057
00:53:59.099 --> 00:54:01.260
Thank you for telling her.

1058
00:54:01.320 --> 00:54:02.699
He suspects I know him.

1059
00:54:02.760 --> 00:54:04.380
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1060
00:54:04.440 --> 00:54:07.380
All of that stuff, they always do this on stuff.

1061
00:54:07.440 --> 00:54:09.000
We can just...

1062
00:54:09.059 --> 00:54:10.139
He's carrying something.

1063
00:54:10.199 --> 00:54:11.820
We're watching the television.

1064
00:54:13.440 --> 00:54:15.300
Is it a gun?

1065
00:54:15.360 --> 00:54:16.920
We're not sure it's in some carpet.

1066
00:54:17.519 --> 00:54:19.139
Shoot him.

1067
00:54:20.340 --> 00:54:22.079
Yeah, there you go.

1068
00:54:22.139 --> 00:54:23.280
She loads the gun there.

1069
00:54:23.340 --> 00:54:25.860
So maybe that is why she needed to hold it earlier.

1070
00:54:25.920 --> 00:54:28.440
Yes, no, no, no, because this is how it's resolved.

1071
00:54:28.500 --> 00:54:28.800
Yeah.

1072
00:54:28.860 --> 00:54:31.380
I love these close-ups on her.

1073
00:54:31.440 --> 00:54:32.460
Go on, very intense.

1074
00:54:32.519 --> 00:54:33.960
Yeah, it's...

1075
00:54:33.960 --> 00:54:37.139
Oh, that would the zoom out from the camera onto our face.

1076
00:54:37.199 --> 00:54:42.179
Oh, that's so good because they're looking at each other.

1077
00:54:42.239 --> 00:54:43.500
Do you know what I mean?

1078
00:54:43.559 --> 00:54:46.079
The grammar of that is that they're looking at each other.

1079
00:54:46.139 --> 00:54:47.760
And it's, yeah, yeah.

1080
00:54:47.820 --> 00:54:51.539
Did you say that the weapon came 1st and the mystery...

1081
00:54:51.599 --> 00:54:53.099
I can see why the weapon came.

1082
00:54:53.159 --> 00:54:56.940
Yeah, yeah, yeah. because it's really good and the resolution that it enables is great.

1083
00:54:57.000 --> 00:54:59.039
It's like shit.

1084
00:54:59.099 --> 00:55:02.519
So he's now crawling bloodily across the floor to get the weapon.

1085
00:55:02.579 --> 00:55:05.280
And then she treads on it and it sounds so plastic.

1086
00:55:05.340 --> 00:55:07.440
Like, it looks like it's made.

1087
00:55:07.440 --> 00:55:10.500
That's the best show of the episode of her looking down on it with the gum.

1088
00:55:10.559 --> 00:55:11.039
Yeah, yeah.

1089
00:55:11.099 --> 00:55:12.840
But she goes, why did you do it?

1090
00:55:12.900 --> 00:55:16.199
It goes, because logic to man.

1091
00:55:16.260 --> 00:55:18.840
Just like, yeah, we want to find out then.

1092
00:55:18.900 --> 00:55:33.179
I mean, like, like, if you follow the psychology through, you could make a case that a Vulcan, who lost everybody who's close to him, could be traumatised and angry, lash out, I don't buy it.

1093
00:55:33.239 --> 00:55:34.679
No, none of it makes sense.

1094
00:55:34.739 --> 00:55:36.300
That's the weakest part of it.

1095
00:55:36.360 --> 00:55:37.619
The mystery just doesn't work.

1096
00:55:37.679 --> 00:55:39.840
But you've seen murder, she wrote.

1097
00:55:39.960 --> 00:55:40.980
I mean, it rarely made sense.

1098
00:55:41.039 --> 00:55:47.460
Yeah, I think they should have done a better job than that, but nevertheless, it's it works pretty well, all the characters stuff and everything else.

1099
00:55:47.699 --> 00:55:53.039
No, you can't because then Duran wins.

1100
00:55:53.099 --> 00:55:59.820
So what she does learn that Geran is necessary, but she also learns that she can handle him.

1101
00:56:00.059 --> 00:56:00.840
We go again.

1102
00:56:00.900 --> 00:56:02.460
Juzzy, fuck, and...

1103
00:56:04.019 --> 00:56:05.400
Lenor, Jakovok.

1104
00:56:05.519 --> 00:56:06.360
Yeah, yeah, come on.

1105
00:56:06.539 --> 00:56:10.920
I just said to her, Nicole, just say something.

1106
00:56:11.099 --> 00:56:14.159
I'm title T Star Trek.

1107
00:56:14.219 --> 00:56:19.980
No, it's kind of like, we're not getting, you know, a whole language, all right?

1108
00:56:20.039 --> 00:56:21.119
We've done that.

1109
00:56:22.739 --> 00:56:25.199
I'm not fucking jealous.

1110
00:56:25.260 --> 00:56:27.059
Yeah, that's right.

1111
00:56:27.119 --> 00:56:27.960
Lean on the keyboard.

1112
00:56:28.079 --> 00:56:31.199
You can't bury me as deeply.

1113
00:56:31.199 --> 00:56:32.099
And she decides not to.

1114
00:56:32.159 --> 00:56:33.480
Yeah, yeah.

1115
00:56:33.539 --> 00:56:33.960
Yeah.

1116
00:56:34.019 --> 00:56:39.960
So yeah, they've reached some form of a conclusion about...

1117
00:56:40.019 --> 00:56:42.360
Yeah, but it gives her a little bit more steel.

1118
00:56:42.420 --> 00:56:43.079
I think it's good.

1119
00:56:43.139 --> 00:56:49.739
And then, like, if, you know, the show had gone on, maybe that something could have come of her.

1120
00:56:49.800 --> 00:56:50.820
Yeah, definitely.

1121
00:56:50.880 --> 00:56:54.360
But she does have more steel in the 2nd half. the series.

1122
00:56:54.420 --> 00:57:00.900
Like there's very few moments where she's sort of portrayed as a victim or weak, which is quite nice.

1123
00:57:00.900 --> 00:57:24.119
And again, I thought that was a strange ending because, in a way, it's not really that strange because of course it ends on that character moment of, you know, she's looking at him in the mirror and then it turns into her to kind of re-emphasize that they're the same person, but we never kind of go and tell Cisco or Odo or anything. you know, like and I guess we don't need that.

1124
00:57:24.179 --> 00:57:26.280
Well, that's the sort of thing we normally complain about.

1125
00:57:26.340 --> 00:57:27.059
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1126
00:57:27.059 --> 00:57:27.719
But they do they?

1127
00:57:27.780 --> 00:57:29.099
We don't need it.

1128
00:57:29.159 --> 00:57:29.639
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1129
00:57:29.699 --> 00:57:31.260
She's she's reached a conclusion.

1130
00:57:31.320 --> 00:57:31.800
That's enough.

1131
00:57:31.860 --> 00:57:33.119
Yeah, yeah, that's fair enough.

1132
00:57:33.179 --> 00:57:48.059
Now, I would say, I'm not sure if I was going to choose a D-Space 9 episode to show somebody that had never seen it before, that I would pick Field of Fire, but for somebody that had watched a lot of Star Trek, but I hadn't watched DS 9, I'd say, you want some fun?

1133
00:57:48.119 --> 00:57:50.099
Watch this bullshit.

1134
00:57:50.159 --> 00:57:51.719
Yeah, I don't think it's terrible.

1135
00:57:51.780 --> 00:57:53.519
I don't, you know, like I enjoyed it.

1136
00:57:53.579 --> 00:57:55.320
I didn't feel like I'd wasted my time.

1137
00:57:55.380 --> 00:57:57.480
You know, it's not a bombshell episode.

1138
00:57:57.539 --> 00:57:59.280
It's not super memorable but it was pretty fun.

1139
00:57:59.340 --> 00:58:05.400
And I just think that one, the characters are in the place where you can get all those little moments.

1140
00:58:05.460 --> 00:58:11.280
Like I said, with times orphan, everyone sort of gets a moment that reflects their character, but also their job, which you like.

1141
00:58:11.340 --> 00:58:15.900
Um, and that Robert Hurrett Wolf is just a dab hand at TV now.

1142
00:58:15.960 --> 00:58:20.219
He just doesn't make that connection at the end. to why it's the Vulcan.

1143
00:58:20.280 --> 00:58:27.239
And then the only way you can point the finger at the correct Vulcan is if he walks into the same space, yeah, perfectly investigated.

1144
00:58:27.300 --> 00:58:28.199
Because like, it's okay.

1145
00:58:28.260 --> 00:58:30.539
It's kind of weird 42 minutes.

1146
00:58:31.380 --> 00:58:33.960
We've had a lift, I guess, right?

1147
00:58:34.019 --> 00:58:35.099
We don't need another set.

1148
00:58:35.159 --> 00:58:36.599
Let's put both in the lift.

1149
00:58:36.719 --> 00:58:39.659
But make sure he stands over there because Durand's in the middle.

1150
00:58:39.780 --> 00:58:42.000
That's right But it's really fun.

1151
00:58:42.119 --> 00:58:44.219
Yeah. like we were kind of angry.

1152
00:58:44.280 --> 00:58:47.880
We were laughing a lot when we watched Justice, but it was so inept.

1153
00:58:47.880 --> 00:58:51.000
In many ways, as a piece of salad, that isn't in there.

1154
00:58:51.059 --> 00:58:54.179
It's somebody who understands how TV works.

1155
00:58:54.239 --> 00:59:00.659
So I suppose in how many seasons, 10 seasons, since justice, we've learned how to make telly.

1156
00:59:00.719 --> 00:59:01.500
I think they had.

1157
00:59:07.559 --> 00:59:12.960
All right, it's the end of the episode, and it's time for us to work out where we're going next.

1158
00:59:13.019 --> 00:59:14.880
This was your choice naturally.

1159
00:59:14.940 --> 00:59:16.619
You mean naturally.

1160
00:59:16.739 --> 00:59:18.300
Well, you always choose...

1161
00:59:18.300 --> 00:59:26.760
It was my dream. have you in my presence watching my favourite television show. do more of that before the weekends. live now, actually.

1162
00:59:26.820 --> 00:59:28.860
It's all downhill from here.

1163
00:59:28.920 --> 00:59:30.420
Yeah, Nathan and DS9.

1164
00:59:30.480 --> 00:59:31.800
At least I did it.

1165
00:59:31.800 --> 00:59:32.519
Together at last.

1166
00:59:33.239 --> 00:59:46.260
So since we last recorded, and since we last did a Strange New Worlds episode, a number of Strange New Worlds episodes have been broadcast, which means...

1167
00:59:46.260 --> 00:59:47.159
I haven't seen any of them.

1168
00:59:47.280 --> 00:59:54.480
I've seen all of them, but that means that actually Stranger Worlds is now our least covered series.

1169
00:59:54.539 --> 00:59:56.340
What a wonderful rest.

1170
00:59:56.400 --> 01:00:01.619
I mean, not that we haven't watched enough, but the fact that we must choose...

1171
01:00:01.679 --> 01:00:02.159
That's right.

1172
01:00:02.219 --> 01:00:09.179
For a long time, we were actually a bit ahead because we, you know, we watched the 1st episode and it was hard to avoid because it's so good.

1173
01:00:09.239 --> 01:00:10.619
We've overdone it a little bit.

1174
01:00:10.679 --> 01:00:14.699
But now we're behind. and so I am hang on over here.

1175
01:00:14.760 --> 01:00:17.639
Statistically, does that kick it somewhere in the middle again?

1176
01:00:17.699 --> 01:00:18.179
Probably.

1177
01:00:18.239 --> 01:00:20.099
That's annoying Yeah, well, that's all right.

1178
01:00:20.159 --> 01:00:20.880
There'll be more next year.

1179
01:00:20.940 --> 01:00:23.760
We did watch Strange New Worlds together last time, didn't we?

1180
01:00:23.820 --> 01:00:27.239
We watched that wonderful Gorn episode where...

1181
01:00:27.300 --> 01:00:29.099
The blue man got torn up.

1182
01:00:29.159 --> 01:00:29.880
That's right.

1183
01:00:29.880 --> 01:00:33.000
Did we watch the one with Christina Chong as well as the princess?

1184
01:00:33.059 --> 01:00:34.380
Yes, I think we probably did.

1185
01:00:34.500 --> 01:00:36.599
What a day that was.

1186
01:00:36.659 --> 01:00:38.579
Well, we have done that actually on the show.

1187
01:00:38.639 --> 01:00:42.360
You know, you people may have like huge ambitions in life, all right?

1188
01:00:42.420 --> 01:00:44.699
We've only got the ambitions to watch Star Trek together.

1189
01:00:44.760 --> 01:00:45.300
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1190
01:00:45.360 --> 01:00:46.619
We're very simple people, I think.

1191
01:00:46.739 --> 01:00:48.179
Easily, please.

1192
01:00:48.239 --> 01:00:50.219
Well, let's do it again then.

1193
01:00:50.280 --> 01:00:51.300
All right, okay.

1194
01:00:51.360 --> 01:00:52.800
So I'm going to press the button.

1195
01:00:53.039 --> 01:01:09.840
Your random Star Trek Strange New Worlds episode is hegemony, which is the season two, episode 10 cliffhanger, and that would entail also watching hegemini part two, which is season three, episode one.

1196
01:01:09.900 --> 01:01:12.119
I mean, we've got the time.

1197
01:01:12.360 --> 01:01:19.199
It is literally Strange New World's answer to best of both worlds.

1198
01:01:19.260 --> 01:01:21.599
Oh, let's do it. really good.

1199
01:01:21.659 --> 01:01:22.980
Best do it.

1200
01:01:23.039 --> 01:01:25.739
I think we should, and we haven't done a 2 part for ages.

1201
01:01:25.860 --> 01:01:26.760
No, that's true.

1202
01:01:26.820 --> 01:01:28.139
And there's a lot of them.

1203
01:01:28.199 --> 01:01:32.579
Yeah, but there aren't that many two-parters in Stranger Worlds.

1204
01:01:32.639 --> 01:01:33.900
In fact, I think this is the only one.

1205
01:01:33.960 --> 01:01:39.360
But of behind the scenes information here, but normally, I have to dash off to work after we record.

1206
01:01:39.480 --> 01:01:41.039
So doing a two-part is tricky.

1207
01:01:41.099 --> 01:01:43.500
It means Nathan's got to get on the call very early.

1208
01:01:43.559 --> 01:01:44.400
Yeah, yeah.

1209
01:01:44.460 --> 01:01:46.440
But he's here for a week.

1210
01:01:46.500 --> 01:01:51.000
So we've got no, we can just do it. watch and record a 2 par. would be great.

1211
01:01:51.119 --> 01:01:55.500
Oh, that, although that will take it right up the top again of strangely well.

1212
01:01:55.559 --> 01:01:56.760
Yes, yeah, that'll be all right.

1213
01:01:56.820 --> 01:01:58.019
That'll be okay.

1214
01:01:58.079 --> 01:01:59.460
Let's do a cliffhanger.

1215
01:01:59.519 --> 01:02:00.420
Yep, wonderful.

1216
01:02:00.480 --> 01:02:01.199
Let's do it.

1217
01:02:01.260 --> 01:02:01.860
Brilliant.

1218
01:02:10.980 --> 01:02:21.719
You've been listening to entitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford and Nathan Bottomley, where online at untitled Star Trek Project.com, where you can find subscription links and links to our social media accounts.

1219
01:02:21.780 --> 01:02:27.300
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Ciceran, and the theme was composed by Cameron Lamb.

1220
01:02:27.360 --> 01:02:33.960
This episode was recorded on the 23rd of September 2025 and released on the 26th of September.

1221
01:02:34.019 --> 01:02:39.719
We'll see you next time for Star Trek, Strange New Worlds, hegemony and Germany part two.

1222
01:02:53.519 --> 01:02:55.139
A great choice.

1223
01:02:55.199 --> 01:02:56.219
Yeah, yeah, isn't it?

1224
01:02:56.280 --> 01:02:59.760
That's just, so, this is after South Space Rhapsody, the next one.

1225
01:02:59.820 --> 01:03:01.139
Uh, yeah.

1226
01:03:01.199 --> 01:03:02.039
Yeah.

1227
01:03:02.099 --> 01:03:04.440
Oh, and there's all sorts of funny productions.

1228
01:03:04.500 --> 01:03:07.800
Fat woman, that lovely woman from private conversation, are they?

1229
01:03:07.920 --> 01:03:09.119
I won't be happy.

1230
01:03:09.179 --> 01:03:11.340
No, but she is in peril.

1231
01:03:11.400 --> 01:03:12.360
Oh, that's right.

1232
01:03:12.420 --> 01:03:19.860
Well, because they said in subspace for it, Rhapsody that they don't get to have that, you know, they agree.

1233
01:03:19.920 --> 01:03:20.699
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1234
01:03:20.760 --> 01:03:26.639
No, but they were going to compromise and it wasn't going to be a tedious holiday that she wants, but it wasn't going to be camping either.

1235
01:03:27.719 --> 01:03:29.639
Oh, with her.

1236
01:03:29.760 --> 01:03:39.119
But she, she's a captain of the Cayuga and the Cayuga is attacked in, in, in Hetchmony.

1237
01:03:39.179 --> 01:03:42.119
And so she's in that episode.

1238
01:03:42.239 --> 01:03:46.320
Yeah, Hedchmidt, because it's called the Gorn Hedgeman Eva area.

1239
01:03:46.380 --> 01:03:48.300
So it's a gore in it.

1240
01:03:48.300 --> 01:03:49.980
Oh, it's really good.

1241
01:03:50.039 --> 01:03:51.780
It's a lot happens.

1242
01:03:51.840 --> 01:03:52.860
A lot happens.

1243
01:03:52.920 --> 01:03:55.619
I'm just currently remembering all that.

1244
01:03:55.619 --> 01:03:59.159
Every time you come in, we end up watching Gordon's tearing people.

1245
01:03:59.159 --> 01:04:01.920
Next time you come, we'll have to watch Arena.

1246
01:04:03.360 --> 01:04:05.340
The rubber gone.

1247
01:04:06.599 --> 01:04:08.699
Yeah, yeah, that was great.

1248
01:04:08.699 --> 01:04:11.579
I enjoyed it for a while, so that's probably it.

1249
01:04:11.699 --> 01:04:13.079
Yeah.

1250
01:04:13.079 --> 01:04:15.900
All those shitty, great episodes to start.

1251
01:04:15.960 --> 01:04:17.340
That's fun, though.

1252
01:04:17.340 --> 01:04:17.760
That was fun.

1253
01:04:17.820 --> 01:04:22.079
It is funny and different to sitting, like looking at each other while...

1254
01:04:22.079 --> 01:04:23.940
Oh, no, I love it.

1255
01:04:24.000 --> 01:04:25.320
I love him.

1256
01:04:25.380 --> 01:04:27.599
Okay, I'm gonna make us a sandwich.

1257
01:04:27.659 --> 01:04:27.960
Okay.