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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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You're looking well.

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I am?

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Oh, yes, oh, yeah.

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Enjoying your stay in England?

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I am.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So we are here together recording untitled Star Trek project in

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person for the 2nd time.

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Finally.

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We're not doing a franchise defining episode like justice.

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Although it may be as trashing.

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No, I think this is, I think this is better than justice, but

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perhaps not quite as memorable.

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So it's Steve Space 9, Series 7, episode 13, which is called Field

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of Fire.

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It's by our old friend Robert Hewitt Wolf.

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Just his one time back on the show.

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It's his one time back on the show and it dates, I think, from the

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10th of February, 1999.

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Oh, the Hetty days.

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1999.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. exciting.

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So this is an every episode and it's also kind of a crime

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procedural.

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It's a little bit fill-rish, I think.

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Oh, it's completely fillyrish.

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I mean, we've had a few discussions about this, about how if the

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season was 10 episodes long, I mean, I don't think Filter Fire

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would be the 1st to go, because there's a couple weeks, Evan, you

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know, the one where... yeah definitely.

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Oh, actually, all the Ezra episodes will go, and obviously the one

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where Bashir falls in love with his patient.

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That one will go.

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We keep, obviously, baseball and the highest.

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Well, naturally, you know, and just have all of the war stuff

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going on around that.

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But as a filler episode, I said to you, if you're going to do

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something like this, make it a bit quirky, have something to say

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about the character.

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And I think it's halfway to getting there. and just make it an

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enjoyable experience and I did really enjoy watching.

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I think it's really fun.

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I think the mystery thing is just absolute nonsense and makes no

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sense.

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There's a few leaps, all right?

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Yeah, you don't have to be Poiro to figure this one out.

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No, and there's also kind of the problem where the big clue is so

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incredibly obvious that it just makes Ezri look stupid.

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Nathan says about 12 minutes into the episode.

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It's the photos, isn't it?

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I was like, damn, let's figure it out already. gave it away.

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The whopping close-ups on them.

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It's because I've watched television before, which is certainly

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not what Azri has done.

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I'm watching television, you know, is not something that makes a

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good television critic.

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No, but it does make an excellent detective.

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I need anything investigating while you're here.

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Yeah, where did that monk go?

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Yeah, that's another.

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I will call on you.

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As long as you have a fucking massive gun in your hands at the end

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of the mystery.

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So I think that we've said that we like Ezri, that um, I like, you

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know, I think I'm kind of sorry that Terry leaves because she's

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great and it would have been great to see her make it all the way

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through to the end, but Ezri does shake things up a little bit and

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gives them some new things to do and she is sweet.

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Like Nicole is so adorable.

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And so giving her a bit of steel and giving her the big gun.

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Like, that's actually, because because this isn't going to go

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anywhere, because we've only got half a season left.

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The consequences of this episode never really play out.

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I think Duran gets mentioned again in some kind of exposition coma

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or something at some point that, like as we mentioned, Yeah.

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No, in the exposition comas, when she mentions, she's in love with

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Bashir.

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A wharf goes, what?

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I love you, Julia.

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So we had Duran Dax is revealed in equilibrium.

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Yeah, early season three.

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Ely season three. much weaker episode than this, I think.

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Well, it's not as fun.

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Okay.

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It's very, um, we go off to trill and look at the mud pools.

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Yeah, yeah.

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We've been to the mud pools before, obviously, in Discovery on

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entitled Star Trek Project.

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It was much more impressive.

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Yeah, well, yeah.

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It was stockade 72, and a load of mud.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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It's not...

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And it was, Duran was very hot in that episode.

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You know, it was a young sort of Asian guy, so he's changed

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nationality as well between now and then.

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There's not a very good photo of him. memory alpha, so I didn't

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get a real sort of sense of him.

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She sort of goes into the mud at the end and sort of gives him a

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hug. accepts his memories into her, you know?

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Because the deal is that it's Tarius is in a shuttle accident.

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The Simian is transferred to Duran, and then 6 months later it's

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transferred to Curzon, and Curzon has no memory of like he's been

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in a coma or something.

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And all of a sudden, Chad says, behaving in a particularly

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aggressive way towards everyone.

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At one point she threatens Kira.

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What the hell is going on here?

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So those memories are emerging, but she kind of suppresses them or

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something.

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Like, then he comes back in facets played by Avery Brooks

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wonderfully.

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Oh, great choice.

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It's during that period where they haven't let Avery grow his

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beard.

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So they've given him a terribly fake load of stubble rounds.

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Oh, really?

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But he's doing his very hello, Jania.

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You always denied me, but I was always there.

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And so we sort of skip from that to, I think his name's Lee

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McCluskey in this.

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And, I mean, theatrical, don't cover it.

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It really does choose some of these. like, now you said you didn't

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go far enough.

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I'm not sure without it, turning into a comedy, you could go much

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further.

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I think, like, again, I read Memory Alpha beforehand, and they

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said that the original actors of Play Duran wasn't available

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because, I mean, they would tend to just try and not recast.

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I think they made a good call here though.

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Yeah, they said that he looks a bit too ordinary and I think

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that's because he's got sort of standard white guy, American hair

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you know, like he just looks like a very normal kind of bit part

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actor.

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So he's not weird or unsettling looking.

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But he's doing the Hunnibal Lactor film with the eyes all the time

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and he's right in her face, you know?

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He is literally saying lions like, that's the killer.

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Look in his eyes, you know?

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I wouldn't say it's underplate.

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No, no, it's it is pretty good.

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But I guess the mystery is a little bit too dumb and doesn't quite

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justify the, you know, the need for Ezri to think like the killer

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because the killer's thinking like just a massive fucking idiot.

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I love if they're going to do a Star Trek murder mystery.

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So they invent this insane weapon that where you can look through

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bulkheads into people's bedrooms and you can beam bullets into the

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people's rooms and we do the procedural of them figuring all of

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that out. in the 1st half.

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So I think that part of the mystery is really good.

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Yeah, and then the 2nd half is just, you know, will Ezri cross the

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line and pick up that knife and stab that poor man to death, and

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you know, the sequence at the end where they're looking at each

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other with the garments.

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It's amazing. it is really good.

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And so this is directed by a guy who never directs again.

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It's Tony Dow, who was recommended by Billy Mummy, apparently. to

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the, you know, production team or something.

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I think there's some atmosphere.

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Yeah, yeah.

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And certainly the technical thing of looking through the sites and

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looking through the walls and stuff.

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Like I thought that scene was just really well done.

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I don't think it ever gets to be like tense or anything like

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that.

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Nathan set a very good point of like, why don't we use these

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weapons all the time.

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They'd be very useful in a war, you know?

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Yeah, yeah.

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In fact, one of the things that's fun is that, and we'll get there

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is that none of them really know very much about projectile

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weapons.

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That's hilarious.

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Yeah, which I think is good.

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What about the powder bones?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Hella powder burns.

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Yeah, Julian doesn't know what that is, which I think is really

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great.

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So yeah, like all of that stuff is sort of quite good.

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You know, we'll talk about who the killer is and stuff as we go

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along, but I don't think any of that really works, and I don't

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think it properly justifies it.

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But there's a sense in which at the end, Ezri does, like, she

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doesn't kind of put Duran back in his box.

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He's now...

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Yeah, he's useful.

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Yeah, yeah.

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And so that would have been interesting to give her a little bit

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of steel sort of thing, but obviously it doesn't really go

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anywhere.

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They do 3 episodes this season.

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Not Prodigal Daughter, because that is the most dreariest episode

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of Dynasty that you've ever seen their entire life.

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But they do After Image, where they pair with Garak.

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He's vile to her, right?

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And she sort of overcomes that and toughens up a bit.

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Then they do see Gervais R 558 where she gets close to Bill Mummy

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and she's literally there in a war situation and she taps us up a

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bit and then they give her this.

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Then in the 2nd half of the year, she is sort of fully actualised

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and she goes off, like she goes off in a shuttle to rescue Wharf

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you know, she fucks Wharf. like, what the hell?

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actually off the side and I love Julian saw it.

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She gives that amazing speech about the Klingons and tagging into

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the wind.

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I think with a year and with so much other stuff going on, they

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really give her a journey.

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Right, okay.

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Which is kind of, we've discussed this before.

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DSign is unusual in 90s drag.

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But to do it in such a condensed period of time, to the point

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where she feels integrated and covers off like Banner being Better

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Bank.

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It like she's always been there.

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Even though she's been around for like 12 episodes.

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And I think Nicole has something to do with that.

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She just comes in and she's so sweet and so likeable.

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I can't imagine anyone watching her and just going, oh, I really

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hate that character.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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She's so nice I mean, I can understand people being disappointed

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that Terry didn't, you know, do the entire Iran.

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I like the different energy, though.

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But I do too, yeah.

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And I like the fact that it force them to improvise.

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Exactly.

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Exactly, didn't we?

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Like it's like, you know, they wouldn't choose to bring in a new

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character in the last season, but that kind of makes this unique.

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Yeah, well, that's the thing that I like about television.

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I think I've said this before, that it's not, you know, like even

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J.

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Michael Strazinski, who created a science fiction program that I

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can't remember the name of.

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He had his...

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I haven't heard of it.

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But he had his plan and it didn't work out, you know, someone left

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the studio thought it was only going to go to series 4 and then it

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went to series 5.

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He didn't get to do what he wanted to do because that's what

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television's like. you know, like unless it's a very short season

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or something like that.

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The real world intervenes and people have to change their plans

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and that's one of the things that I like about TV.

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But famously, Babylon 5's last season, season 5 is the weakest, and

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pretty much everyone acknowledges that, because the arc, yeah, and

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he's had to improvise a new arc, which he'd never thought of, was

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never part of his plan.

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Plus, he'd written out Claudia Christian. one of his most popular

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characters.

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So he's having to bring in lesser characters that no one really

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got on with.

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Whereas here they haven't finished that arc.

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So they get to do the story that they want to tell right up to the

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end, just with this new character, sort of stir in the nest a

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bit.

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It's interesting.

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Yeah, I agree.

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I agree.

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But the result is, you know, if we are going to explore her, then

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we're going to do it in fill a bump like this.

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I mean, I'm glad we didn't get prodigal to also.

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That is...

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Ezri, it wasn't my fault.

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I didn't do this to our son, did I?

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Yeah, wait till we get there.

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Look, I'm kind of looking forward to that because I do remember it

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vaguely and I know that it's terrible and that's kind of fun.

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But, like, this is disposable, I think, in a way, but it's not

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terrible and I certainly enjoyed myself.

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We've watched a lot worse than this.

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I think, like you said, technically, it's competent.

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I think it's got a nice musical score.

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There's somebody else doing the music for this and so it does have

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a different feel to it than what's around it.

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I just love being with these people.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Should we go and be with these people?

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I think we should.

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All right.

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So you've got your finger on the space bar or the mouse or

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something.

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Some of our unusual way to do this, isn't it?

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All right, but I will count us in because I know even though we're

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here in the same place watching the same screen, the viewer at

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home will need to...

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Desperate to get her asray with that.

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Exactly, right.

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So here goes 5, 4, 3, 2, one, and we're off.

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There we go.

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This, I thought, was so forced. like the, you know, the, so we're

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in Quark's Bar.

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We have this gorgeous guy, little Hector Ilario, who's a

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lieutenant used to see him, all right?

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No.

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And despite his name, the actor is actually of Southeast Asian

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background. beautiful though?

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He is beautiful.

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Thai, I think, possibly.

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The last thing I'd want to do to him, you know, has put a bullet

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in his chest.

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I love her in blood.

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It's really sweet, actually.

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He's kind of a drawer.

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He's really young.

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He says he's 22.

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Um, but Julian's toasting him in this way that is just super

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forced.

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It's giving me horrible kind of, you know, Wharf and Deanna's

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reception at the beginning of Nemesis vine.

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But also, here's what's just happened today. why we're all

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celebrating.

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What I did love about this and gave us great laughter on the sofa

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was him going, you know, please, can I join you fellas in the

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holodeck?

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She and O'Brien are like, no, you know, we don't have anyone else

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in the holiday.

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Yeah, that's right.

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We like to fucking holiday.

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And so...

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I mean, you could watch.

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I think O'Brien actually gives him a look and goes, oh, maybe.

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He is pretty.

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I'm kind of spent with you again now, you know.

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Hector, come on.

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Julian, you can watch.

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It's, yeah.

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I mean, that, again, that's actually a cute character thing and it

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is that thing that they do.

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It's not quite queer baiting, but it is that sort of this

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relationship is kind of weird and special and stuff.

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They do acknowledge it later this season.

335
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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

336
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Yeah, she just says he loves him.

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I'll never, ever forget that scene. my problem. like, well, I love

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my wife, all right?

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I don't mind fucking you, Bob.

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I love you, all right?

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Oh, as we go, say, I know where I'm not wanting in the whole

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suite.

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Goes to Kira.

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You ever been with them?

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No, never. don't want to see that.

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And now he's drunk.

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We discover that, that, that Ezri takes him home at about 3 in the

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morning, I think.

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I mean, they look quite fresh for 3 in the morning.

350
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Yeah, he doesn't.

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He's so cute.

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He's so cute.

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And it is the sort of character that you could see earlier a DS9's

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rum than running with.

355
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

356
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I thought of it earlier.

357
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Yeah, you know, lightly to, like, he is very much a red shirt

358
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though, isn't he?

359
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Oh, completely.

360
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But if you're going to have a red shirt.

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Make them hot.

362
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Yeah, yeah.

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And sweet.

364
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Well, I mean, it's doing the thing which you wouldn't do in like

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toss.

366
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Yeah, no, no.

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She just lights up the screen.

368
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Yeah, doesn't she?

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I like what he says here.

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He goes, you know what, Lieutenant?

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You're very beautiful.

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He goes, in your shoes, you're very drunk.

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But in the morning, I'll be sober, but you'll still be beautiful.

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You do know that it's like it's a ruined quote from Winston

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Churchill.

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A female member said to him, you're drunk and he said, you're, well

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you're ugly.

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No.

379
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Well, this is the better version.

380
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This is the more compliment.

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Yeah, I'll be sober tomorrow and you'll still be ugly.

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Look at her as well.

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She got beautiful.

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I love her elfin haircut as well.

385
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Yeah, yeah.

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She is just adorable.

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She is.

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So we really, really playing up the photo.

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He's looking at the photo of him and his little mates from the

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academy.

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Excuse me, I was looking at photographs just this morning, you

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know?

393
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It's not unusual.

394
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And he's so good.

395
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Sometimes, you know, when I, when you're not been here for 2 years

396
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I look at the last time you was here, logging really going, oh, one

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day we'll watch Star Trek on the sofa together again.

398
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Feel the fire.

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Oh, I've just remembered, actually.

400
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We still haven't danced away till against Price Fame Chew.

401
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You're on a promise.

402
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Oh, these bloody beds.

403
00:16:56.279 --> 00:16:57.179
I know.

404
00:16:57.240 --> 00:16:59.700
Were they better than the Star Trek, the Next Generation beds

405
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which seem to be covered in Baco foil and clingfield?

406
00:17:02.340 --> 00:17:03.480
Oh, yeah, they are.

407
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But look at our cushion.

408
00:17:04.859 --> 00:17:06.599
I couldn't sleep with that little triangular thing.

409
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It's like a pancake.

410
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It's space memory.

411
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I wanted Ezra to be sort of more Troy in this thing.

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You know, when Troy woke up and was like, oh, I can't remember

413
00:17:15.660 --> 00:17:17.519
miss the wormhole, you know?

414
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Right, old bitch.

415
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But it's sort of a nicer person.

416
00:17:21.240 --> 00:17:24.960
But there's all sorts of commotion going out in the corridor now.

417
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What's happening?

418
00:17:26.339 --> 00:17:28.380
That's that's near Hector's quarters.

419
00:17:28.440 --> 00:17:29.819
Yeah, yeah.

420
00:17:29.880 --> 00:17:33.480
It is a little bit disappointing, but I do think that like giving

421
00:17:33.480 --> 00:17:38.519
like making him likeable so that we. care, which also motivates

422
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Ezri to investigate as well.

423
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Why is he says he instead of Odo investigating?

424
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I did like as well the other 2 victims.

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There was enough detail there for me to be convinced, even though

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we never see those people, and one of them supposedly have been on

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it's 9 for 5 years or something.

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It's like sort of felt like they had relationships with those

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people, even though we've never met them.

430
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Robert Hewitt Wolf has written a lot of TV at this point. gets the

431
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beats that you have to get.

432
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Yeah.

433
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Yeah.

434
00:18:04.859 --> 00:18:05.400
Yeah.

435
00:18:05.460 --> 00:18:06.420
It appears.

436
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Somebody shot him.

437
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But there's quite a lot of blood.

438
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Because it's a, it's like, it's actually quite, I mean, that's

439
00:18:12.059 --> 00:18:15.119
pretty visceral blood, but later on when the blood's on her hands

440
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it does look like ketchup, Hartley's finest.

441
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It's very delicious.

442
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Make some toast while you're in.

443
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Terrible, actually.

444
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Awful.

445
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Oh, sorry, now we're going to stake me go around big space 9

446
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together.

447
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Keep your distance from the pilons.

448
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Every time I see that runabout coming towards the screen there.

449
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I just think of that line in, no, an episode we've already covered

450
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by Inferno's Light, where they think the Dominion's about to

451
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attack and Cisco goes, launch the runabouts, what the fuck are

452
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they?

453
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I mean, ships, for God's sakes.

454
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So you'll be pleased to learn listeners that we haven't said

455
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goodbye to art.

456
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He's going to be back in a dream sequence quite soon.

457
00:19:02.039 --> 00:19:03.539
Oh, yeah.

458
00:19:03.599 --> 00:19:04.440
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

459
00:19:04.500 --> 00:19:07.079
And that's the point where I thought, oh, this is going to be a

460
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bit camp because Odo leans in and goes, you know what, Lieutenant?

461
00:19:11.099 --> 00:19:14.400
There's nothing more annoying than a corpse that won't stay dead.

462
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And Redey, as you can imagine, is spot on.

463
00:19:17.460 --> 00:19:21.180
Yeah, absolutely. doing the right ring.

464
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But like, you and me.

465
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We like Star Trek and we like procedurals and this is ticking all

466
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the boxes of like, okay, we know what this is about.

467
00:19:32.099 --> 00:19:33.779
We've had our pre titles.

468
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There's a body there.

469
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It's gonna be about investigating what happened.

470
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And I do, I genuinely do think the 1st 20 minutes, the

471
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investigation is very well done.

472
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Like, all the stuff with the melon and then figuring out the gun.

473
00:19:46.500 --> 00:19:47.640
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and all of that.

474
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I think I think where it fails.

475
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Like they, I'm gonna just say it.

476
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They made the murder a Vulcan for kind of surprise value.

477
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Racist reason.

478
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For racist reasons.

479
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A Vulcan that can't handle people smiling.

480
00:20:01.380 --> 00:20:02.339
Okay?

481
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Yeah.

482
00:20:03.000 --> 00:20:06.059
But what they don't do and what really needs to happen is that

483
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there needs to be some kind of parallel between the murderer and

484
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Juran or the murderer and Ezri.

485
00:20:13.980 --> 00:20:15.420
Which they would do now, would they?

486
00:20:15.480 --> 00:20:16.140
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

487
00:20:16.200 --> 00:20:19.500
Like it would have to be because because what this is, is it's a

488
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murder investigation, but it's also a character piece, which is

489
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exactly what you kind of need to do in 90 Star Trek.

490
00:20:25.259 --> 00:20:26.400
You're still doing that in...

491
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Voyager wouldn't bother.

492
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It would just be...

493
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But I mean, you know, like we talk about pillar making sure that

494
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stuff happens from series 3 of TNG.

495
00:20:37.799 --> 00:20:41.339
I mean, I thought Avery was quite good here, you know, coming in

496
00:20:41.339 --> 00:20:44.700
and going, well, chemical projectile weapons and I mean, he's done

497
00:20:44.700 --> 00:20:46.140
his time or was it TJ Hooker?

498
00:20:46.200 --> 00:20:46.740
Oh, okay.

499
00:20:46.740 --> 00:20:49.680
He's done plenty of... so he knows how to play it.

500
00:20:49.740 --> 00:20:53.819
But Renee is just wonderful when he's talking about Roman Chandler

501
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novels.

502
00:20:54.779 --> 00:20:55.319
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

503
00:20:55.380 --> 00:20:56.940
We knew that already, didn't we?

504
00:20:57.000 --> 00:20:59.700
Well, we saw it in Imogen Sand.

505
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Maybe it goes, read this book while we're in the blockade and this

506
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will pass the time.

507
00:21:03.000 --> 00:21:03.900
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

508
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What I really like is when Avery hears that he reads those novels

509
00:21:09.539 --> 00:21:10.319
and he likes them.

510
00:21:11.460 --> 00:21:14.339
Yeah, it's just like, ooh, that's a little character piece, the

511
00:21:14.339 --> 00:21:16.440
thing that I remember, which I just thought was actually really

512
00:21:16.440 --> 00:21:16.740
good.

513
00:21:16.799 --> 00:21:20.039
You can still surprise me, I know, after 7 years.

514
00:21:20.099 --> 00:21:23.279
Remember last year when you came in the office and we sung a song

515
00:21:23.279 --> 00:21:23.640
together?

516
00:21:24.059 --> 00:21:28.920
I like this too, like, because I don't think the explanation of

517
00:21:28.920 --> 00:21:32.519
what powder burns are is for us.

518
00:21:32.579 --> 00:21:36.180
It's not exposition for us because I think that, you know, Star

519
00:21:36.180 --> 00:21:39.900
Trek sometimes has very low expectations of what its audience is

520
00:21:39.900 --> 00:21:43.319
able to understand and will often explain things that are really

521
00:21:43.380 --> 00:21:46.559
to lead us to the fact that the bullet was beamed into the room.

522
00:21:46.680 --> 00:21:53.940
Well, I think that it's also there just to, you know, to, like as

523
00:21:53.940 --> 00:21:58.920
as kind of period detail, you know, that, that, that we just use

524
00:21:58.920 --> 00:22:03.779
phases and that, that, um, projectile weapons are so weird, that

525
00:22:03.779 --> 00:22:07.740
Julian, who's a doctor, you know, and there's...

526
00:22:07.799 --> 00:22:08.579
Yeah, there's never treated.

527
00:22:08.700 --> 00:22:09.240
Yeah, exactly right.

528
00:22:09.299 --> 00:22:09.720
Yeah.

529
00:22:09.779 --> 00:22:11.640
I mean, I love as well.

530
00:22:11.700 --> 00:22:15.660
And I think all the 90s tracks get this right at one point or

531
00:22:15.660 --> 00:22:19.259
another, is that everyone's doing what they're an expert in

532
00:22:19.259 --> 00:22:20.700
everyone's to technology.

533
00:22:20.759 --> 00:22:25.259
Edry is the psychology, Cisco sort of looking at this as an

534
00:22:25.259 --> 00:22:30.480
overview, tell me about the people, like my crew, Bashir, oh, he

535
00:22:30.480 --> 00:22:32.339
brings in the, obviously, the metaphor of the week.

536
00:22:32.400 --> 00:22:34.440
David Crockick's weapon.

537
00:22:34.500 --> 00:22:37.440
Yeah, you know, how you get obsessed with them and give them

538
00:22:37.440 --> 00:22:41.819
female names. which you reliably tell me is true in other shows as

539
00:22:41.819 --> 00:22:42.059
well.

540
00:22:42.119 --> 00:22:47.519
Well, in Jane's character in Firefly has a big gun called Vera.

541
00:22:48.299 --> 00:22:49.859
Vera.

542
00:22:50.940 --> 00:22:51.539
Probably funny.

543
00:22:52.079 --> 00:22:54.119
No.

544
00:22:54.119 --> 00:22:56.579
You probably passed a beer or an Eastbourne, you know?

545
00:22:56.640 --> 00:23:01.559
Well, as an Australian, I'm thinking of vinegar tits in prisoner.

546
00:23:05.220 --> 00:23:08.819
So Ezra only missed being shot by 10 minutes.

547
00:23:08.880 --> 00:23:09.779
Yeah, yeah.

548
00:23:09.779 --> 00:23:12.599
I thought she left when she did. should have stayed and fucked him

549
00:23:12.599 --> 00:23:12.839
you know?

550
00:23:12.900 --> 00:23:15.779
No, because I actually thought that that was actually quite good

551
00:23:15.779 --> 00:23:19.920
because he's sort of let says, you know, you could stay or

552
00:23:19.920 --> 00:23:25.559
whatever and he said, she says you're drunk and like it's 1999 and

553
00:23:25.559 --> 00:23:27.180
you know, all that talk about consent.

554
00:23:27.240 --> 00:23:30.119
I don't know how advanced it is, but she couldn't fuck him because

555
00:23:30.119 --> 00:23:30.660
he's drunk.

556
00:23:30.720 --> 00:23:31.319
Do you know what I mean?

557
00:23:31.440 --> 00:23:32.819
Oh, great, definitely.

558
00:23:32.819 --> 00:23:34.500
Bullet go for 2 people, yeah.

559
00:23:34.799 --> 00:23:38.759
He sees the picture through the lens and then he sees the

560
00:23:38.759 --> 00:23:39.539
fucking...

561
00:23:39.539 --> 00:23:41.099
You're not having fun on my watch.

562
00:23:41.220 --> 00:23:42.779
Well, that's right, wasn't he?

563
00:23:42.839 --> 00:23:44.220
Why isn't he killing people who have sex?

564
00:23:44.279 --> 00:23:47.339
Yeah, well, we do go through the cores of 2 people that are having

565
00:23:47.339 --> 00:23:49.619
a jolly time sort of laughing in the background.

566
00:23:49.680 --> 00:23:51.299
Oh, look at this line.

567
00:23:51.359 --> 00:23:54.240
He goes, no, you mustn't blame yourself for a Lario's death.

568
00:23:54.299 --> 00:23:57.480
I don't...

569
00:23:57.480 --> 00:24:00.240
I just took him home because he was drunk.

570
00:24:00.299 --> 00:24:01.079
You prick.

571
00:24:01.140 --> 00:24:02.880
You must have played yourself.

572
00:24:02.940 --> 00:24:03.359
What do you mean?

573
00:24:03.420 --> 00:24:04.019
What are you saying?

574
00:24:04.140 --> 00:24:06.779
I got on the counsellor and not you.

575
00:24:06.839 --> 00:24:09.359
That's what you'd be saying in the sessions.

576
00:24:09.420 --> 00:24:12.359
Oh, but now this introduces the idea of Jerome.

577
00:24:12.420 --> 00:24:15.599
I know what it feels like to kill somebody in cold blood.

578
00:24:16.019 --> 00:24:19.380
Yeah, but does he go Duran?

579
00:24:19.440 --> 00:24:20.400
Does he say...

580
00:24:20.400 --> 00:24:25.140
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. yeah So I get it is obeying

581
00:24:25.140 --> 00:24:26.099
all the rules, isn't it?

582
00:24:26.160 --> 00:24:28.619
setting up the idea of Duran before...

583
00:24:28.619 --> 00:24:29.940
Yes, before we see it in the mob.

584
00:24:30.000 --> 00:24:33.059
No, well, that's where that's where she gets the idea to call upon

585
00:24:33.059 --> 00:24:33.779
Duran.

586
00:24:33.839 --> 00:24:36.779
And so originally the plan had been to create a hologram of

587
00:24:36.779 --> 00:24:37.440
Juran.

588
00:24:37.500 --> 00:24:38.279
Right.

589
00:24:38.400 --> 00:24:42.539
Um, and then they just decide, no, let's do some kind of mystical

590
00:24:42.539 --> 00:24:45.059
hologram, that would trill.

591
00:24:45.059 --> 00:24:48.000
We had a lot of fun, didn't we, watching him in the background of

592
00:24:48.000 --> 00:24:51.359
scenes vanishing in the period. and people reacting to the fact

593
00:24:51.359 --> 00:24:53.099
that she was talking to nobody. right.

594
00:24:53.160 --> 00:24:56.339
But I also think the mirror thing, just the thing of seeing him

595
00:24:56.339 --> 00:24:59.400
his, him as her reflection in the mirror and stuff is good.

596
00:24:59.460 --> 00:25:00.119
Oh, don't I?

597
00:25:00.119 --> 00:25:01.200
It's simple.

598
00:25:01.259 --> 00:25:02.039
Yeah, wow.

599
00:25:02.099 --> 00:25:03.779
It often is in 90s.

600
00:25:03.839 --> 00:25:04.559
No, that's good though.

601
00:25:04.619 --> 00:25:06.180
Get your arms off Herbosher.

602
00:25:06.240 --> 00:25:06.779
Right.

603
00:25:06.839 --> 00:25:09.900
Okay, they'll be snorkelling in the turbo lid by the end.

604
00:25:09.960 --> 00:25:11.759
I mean, he's pretty, yeah, yeah.

605
00:25:11.819 --> 00:25:12.900
I'll say put your hands on me.

606
00:25:14.819 --> 00:25:15.839
Oh, are you ready for this?

607
00:25:15.900 --> 00:25:17.400
going to go into the dream sequence now.

608
00:25:17.460 --> 00:25:18.119
Oh yes.

609
00:25:18.180 --> 00:25:19.380
Can you explain it to me?

610
00:25:19.380 --> 00:25:20.940
Because the frame rate changes.

611
00:25:21.000 --> 00:25:24.539
So it's all very juddery and then, you know, nightmarish.

612
00:25:24.599 --> 00:25:25.259
Well, that's good.

613
00:25:25.319 --> 00:25:27.960
I think that's, you know, and this is a guy who hasn't done it

614
00:25:27.960 --> 00:25:28.380
before.

615
00:25:28.440 --> 00:25:30.539
It is a thing that Star Trek does, isn't it?

616
00:25:30.599 --> 00:25:32.579
to occasionally.

617
00:25:32.640 --> 00:25:33.599
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

618
00:25:33.660 --> 00:25:35.460
Well, so it starts off at the normal frame, right?

619
00:25:35.519 --> 00:25:38.460
And then all of a sudden it cuts in a minute, so the promenade and

620
00:25:38.460 --> 00:25:40.079
that's where she's moving in.

621
00:25:40.140 --> 00:25:42.720
But I think this is already slightly dreamlike.

622
00:25:42.779 --> 00:25:47.220
Isn't it that whip, that pan across to the other thing is odd

623
00:25:47.220 --> 00:25:47.400
yeah?

624
00:25:47.460 --> 00:25:48.119
looking scary.

625
00:25:48.180 --> 00:25:50.039
You tell me, counsellor.

626
00:25:50.640 --> 00:25:52.440
You're dead.

627
00:25:52.559 --> 00:25:54.660
He's so cheesy.

628
00:25:54.720 --> 00:25:55.980
Oh, he's still so pretty though.

629
00:25:56.039 --> 00:25:57.599
Oh, here goes, right.

630
00:25:57.660 --> 00:25:58.980
I'm sorry, Lieutenant.

631
00:25:59.039 --> 00:26:02.940
Nothing more annoying than a cops with a mind of its own.

632
00:26:03.000 --> 00:26:06.000
The makeup looks so shit close.

633
00:26:06.059 --> 00:26:08.039
We're in a dark room.

634
00:26:08.099 --> 00:26:09.359
Oh, there's the blood.

635
00:26:09.420 --> 00:26:10.319
Yeah, you're right.

636
00:26:10.380 --> 00:26:11.279
It is jam.

637
00:26:11.339 --> 00:26:13.440
Or maybe sure, aren't you?

638
00:26:13.559 --> 00:26:14.519
Maybe it's chilli sauce.

639
00:26:14.579 --> 00:26:15.779
I don't like seeing his corpse again.

640
00:26:15.839 --> 00:26:16.259
Yeah.

641
00:26:16.319 --> 00:26:17.700
But here we go.

642
00:26:17.759 --> 00:26:21.119
So we're doing the, we're just using the standing sets, but she's

643
00:26:21.119 --> 00:26:24.119
gone from the corridor to inside the quarters and next we go to

644
00:26:24.119 --> 00:26:24.900
the Promodores.

645
00:26:24.960 --> 00:26:26.819
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. fucking bridge again.

646
00:26:26.880 --> 00:26:29.579
She's tossed off that bridge, isn't she?

647
00:26:29.640 --> 00:26:32.940
You know, where that lady committed suicide. where Keiko threw

648
00:26:32.940 --> 00:26:34.200
herself off when she was possessed.

649
00:26:34.319 --> 00:26:36.240
It's a liability in that bridge.

650
00:26:36.299 --> 00:26:37.920
Someone else has pushed someone else. that bridge.

651
00:26:37.980 --> 00:26:39.119
No loads of people.

652
00:26:39.180 --> 00:26:41.880
Vedic Porter in a session.

653
00:26:41.940 --> 00:26:43.859
Do you remember he pushed the person off the bridge?

654
00:26:43.980 --> 00:26:44.759
Oh, yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.

655
00:26:44.819 --> 00:26:45.660
Because of Mr. Jaro.

656
00:26:45.720 --> 00:26:46.079
That's right.

657
00:26:46.200 --> 00:26:47.160
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right.

658
00:26:47.220 --> 00:26:48.119
Watch this.

659
00:26:48.180 --> 00:26:49.559
Look at Gerard at the piano.

660
00:26:49.619 --> 00:26:52.859
He's practically orgasming over the piano.

661
00:26:52.920 --> 00:26:54.359
So he's a musician.

662
00:26:54.420 --> 00:26:57.000
Yeah, that was established in the 1st one, yeah.

663
00:26:57.119 --> 00:26:59.700
So she kept hearing the sort of haunting music in the 1st one.

664
00:26:59.759 --> 00:27:00.420
Oh, okay.

665
00:27:00.420 --> 00:27:01.079
Which is why.

666
00:27:01.140 --> 00:27:04.680
But you even you said when this, you went, wow, that's piano.

667
00:27:04.740 --> 00:27:06.660
We're going to hit piano very often.

668
00:27:06.660 --> 00:27:07.500
Yeah.

669
00:27:07.559 --> 00:27:11.039
Well, so this music guy who I don't know, memory alpha doesn't

670
00:27:11.039 --> 00:27:13.559
properly credit the people who do the music of the episode, I

671
00:27:13.559 --> 00:27:17.160
think, because it's such wallpaper, perhaps, but this is a guy who

672
00:27:17.160 --> 00:27:19.740
what they're trying out or something.

673
00:27:19.799 --> 00:27:20.220
Yeah, yeah.

674
00:27:20.279 --> 00:27:21.720
Well, he never does another trek.

675
00:27:21.779 --> 00:27:24.960
No, maybe they weren't happy, but I think it's, especially at the

676
00:27:24.960 --> 00:27:28.259
climax where he really goes mad with a load of bloody bongos and

677
00:27:28.259 --> 00:27:31.440
things as they're pointing the guns at each other, but that

678
00:27:31.440 --> 00:27:34.680
probably Berman watched it and went, oh, spit much.

679
00:27:34.740 --> 00:27:35.400
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

680
00:27:35.460 --> 00:27:37.140
I like it when it's bring it down a bit.

681
00:27:37.200 --> 00:27:37.859
Yeah, yeah.

682
00:27:37.920 --> 00:27:39.839
It's all a bit dynamic.

683
00:27:40.019 --> 00:27:45.000
Yeah, you see, but you see what I mean by like his terrible white

684
00:27:45.000 --> 00:27:46.440
guy American hair?

685
00:27:46.500 --> 00:27:51.119
I do, but I also think every single guest actor in 90s Shrek looks

686
00:27:51.119 --> 00:27:51.299
like that.

687
00:27:51.420 --> 00:27:54.420
I don't think he's any different from anyone else.

688
00:27:54.539 --> 00:27:56.519
But, you know, he's no Brad Dureff.

689
00:27:56.579 --> 00:27:57.119
Do you know what I mean?

690
00:27:57.180 --> 00:27:58.019
That's true.

691
00:27:58.079 --> 00:27:59.339
Well, who is?

692
00:27:59.400 --> 00:28:00.180
Yeah, well, that's right.

693
00:28:00.240 --> 00:28:01.440
Yeah, there we go.

694
00:28:01.500 --> 00:28:02.400
That's a great cut, though.

695
00:28:02.460 --> 00:28:05.160
And there's like an ear piercing scream.

696
00:28:05.160 --> 00:28:06.480
As you see, you are in slow motion.

697
00:28:06.599 --> 00:28:09.900
Yeah, and then she's in the dark room and she suddenly sits up

698
00:28:09.900 --> 00:28:11.220
into shot, which is pretty great.

699
00:28:11.339 --> 00:28:16.019
So one pleases doing sort of weirder things than just because if

700
00:28:16.019 --> 00:28:18.599
it had just been the murder mystery, and I don't mind just the

701
00:28:18.599 --> 00:28:20.339
murder mystery, but it wouldn't be as fun.

702
00:28:20.460 --> 00:28:21.240
No.

703
00:28:21.299 --> 00:28:21.720
Yeah.

704
00:28:21.779 --> 00:28:26.700
Well, I think that it's the idea that we give it a very Star

705
00:28:26.700 --> 00:28:30.779
Trekie character, high concept character thing.

706
00:28:30.839 --> 00:28:31.680
Do you know what I mean?

707
00:28:31.740 --> 00:28:36.839
It's not just her character as, as, you know, Asri, but it's a

708
00:28:36.839 --> 00:28:38.220
proper trill stuff we're doing.

709
00:28:38.279 --> 00:28:41.819
And we've done 6 years of true episodes by this point.

710
00:28:41.880 --> 00:28:45.180
So we know the drill with the past lives and we know they can be

711
00:28:45.180 --> 00:28:45.779
actualised.

712
00:28:45.839 --> 00:28:46.740
We've done facets.

713
00:28:46.799 --> 00:28:48.779
We've done rejoined with old relationships.

714
00:28:48.839 --> 00:28:50.880
So you can just have fun with it now.

715
00:28:50.940 --> 00:28:53.940
And I don't think you need to go into too much depth to explain it

716
00:28:53.940 --> 00:28:55.140
or we've done all that.

717
00:28:55.200 --> 00:28:57.480
It's what I always say about this one.

718
00:28:57.539 --> 00:28:59.579
They did so much legwork in one to three.

719
00:28:59.640 --> 00:29:00.480
They're 4 to 7.

720
00:29:00.539 --> 00:29:01.559
They just got to have fun.

721
00:29:01.619 --> 00:29:03.960
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. because they can just build on stuff

722
00:29:03.960 --> 00:29:04.980
they've already established.

723
00:29:05.099 --> 00:29:07.259
I did ask you last night.

724
00:29:07.319 --> 00:29:11.160
Um, do you imagine Michael Westmore was available for the scene

725
00:29:11.160 --> 00:29:13.980
where Esley Rope out there and all of her dots were.

726
00:29:13.980 --> 00:29:16.440
Well, we're going right down her boot.

727
00:29:16.500 --> 00:29:18.119
Yeah, to write a night dress.

728
00:29:18.180 --> 00:29:19.859
Yeah, no, he volunteered for sure.

729
00:29:19.980 --> 00:29:21.059
So do you know what?

730
00:29:21.119 --> 00:29:22.079
You have the day off tonight.

731
00:29:22.140 --> 00:29:23.579
I'll do it.

732
00:29:23.640 --> 00:29:25.319
I'll get up at four.

733
00:29:25.380 --> 00:29:28.200
I mean, they do it to Chad Theo about 4 times, you know.

734
00:29:28.259 --> 00:29:30.480
I think he started going, can you write that in?

735
00:29:30.900 --> 00:29:32.579
She's so good.

736
00:29:32.579 --> 00:29:33.660
You know her dots go all night?

737
00:29:33.720 --> 00:29:34.980
You don't have to dress her.

738
00:29:35.039 --> 00:29:36.119
She's very bressy.

739
00:29:36.180 --> 00:29:41.819
Oh, now this I did like because normally these scenes are so pony

740
00:29:41.880 --> 00:29:44.880
tube while talking about an orchid or something, maybe some

741
00:29:44.880 --> 00:29:45.960
dreadful metaphor.

742
00:29:46.019 --> 00:29:49.680
Whereas we know that they go to the holiday and play Davy

743
00:29:49.680 --> 00:29:50.220
Crockett.

744
00:29:50.279 --> 00:29:50.880
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

745
00:29:50.880 --> 00:29:53.460
So it leans into their characters as well, which I quite like.

746
00:29:53.519 --> 00:29:55.740
But then he gets the idea for the gun here and he's like, okay.

747
00:29:55.799 --> 00:29:58.559
That's how the bullet got into the room.

748
00:29:58.619 --> 00:30:00.599
Yes, I was wondering what this scene was doing.

749
00:30:00.720 --> 00:30:04.380
We was talking and I think you missed some of the pertinent points

750
00:30:04.380 --> 00:30:10.019
where he says about David Crockett, he had a series of pans and

751
00:30:10.019 --> 00:30:11.819
the bullet ricocheted off the pans.

752
00:30:11.880 --> 00:30:12.900
So he started here.

753
00:30:12.960 --> 00:30:16.799
You could never make that shot, but that's how the bullet got all

754
00:30:16.799 --> 00:30:18.299
the way over there and murdered somebody.

755
00:30:18.299 --> 00:30:20.339
And then O'Brien's going, picking.

756
00:30:20.400 --> 00:30:21.599
Yeah, it's this one.

757
00:30:21.599 --> 00:30:24.779
Where he put, he's supposed to have put the target up against the

758
00:30:24.779 --> 00:30:25.019
tree.

759
00:30:25.079 --> 00:30:27.900
Yes, I did miss that last night, actually.

760
00:30:28.440 --> 00:30:31.559
But, you know, it joins the dots.

761
00:30:31.619 --> 00:30:33.539
And that's what they have to do in this photo, right?

762
00:30:33.599 --> 00:30:36.720
join the dots to get us to the weapon and then we can just have

763
00:30:36.720 --> 00:30:37.619
injury with the weapon.

764
00:30:37.680 --> 00:30:39.180
I don't need anything more than that, really.

765
00:30:39.240 --> 00:30:45.599
Yeah, I mean, in a sense, this is sort of technical stuff that's

766
00:30:45.599 --> 00:30:49.140
probably best given to these two, but it does draw, you know

767
00:30:49.140 --> 00:30:52.980
generally speaking, it should be Ezri investigating this movie on

768
00:30:52.980 --> 00:30:53.339
her own.

769
00:30:54.180 --> 00:30:57.359
I don't mind everyone sort of chipping in.

770
00:30:57.359 --> 00:30:59.880
Yeah, and, and, oh, where's the melon scene?

771
00:30:59.940 --> 00:31:03.299
So the, I think this is actually really well done.

772
00:31:03.359 --> 00:31:07.380
And I, his line where he sees, he goes nice melon and she's going

773
00:31:07.380 --> 00:31:08.759
oh, I, oh, I see. sorry.

774
00:31:09.000 --> 00:31:12.180
Once the bullets exploded the melon.

775
00:31:12.240 --> 00:31:13.440
He goes, are you all right?

776
00:31:13.500 --> 00:31:15.240
Better than that, man.

777
00:31:15.359 --> 00:31:19.079
But like, there's, like, I don't know what the hell it's standing

778
00:31:19.079 --> 00:31:20.579
on, but it looks really great.

779
00:31:20.640 --> 00:31:23.700
We don't sell melons that look like that.

780
00:31:23.700 --> 00:31:25.019
No, it's a space melon.

781
00:31:25.079 --> 00:31:25.680
Oh, okay.

782
00:31:25.680 --> 00:31:28.079
So, Eurydion 3 millon.

783
00:31:28.140 --> 00:31:29.160
Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.

784
00:31:30.539 --> 00:31:36.480
You can sort of, um, uh, if you get a pestla morsa and ground down

785
00:31:36.480 --> 00:31:40.140
the pips, it's an aphrodisia, you know, it's like an orgasm.

786
00:31:40.200 --> 00:31:42.180
It's a frozen.

787
00:31:42.240 --> 00:31:43.680
It's gross.

788
00:31:43.740 --> 00:31:45.900
They just put a little explosion in that, haven't they?

789
00:31:45.960 --> 00:31:48.299
Yeah, yeah, it's a prop, isn't it?

790
00:31:48.359 --> 00:31:50.160
But there's some melon in it.

791
00:31:50.220 --> 00:31:53.039
There's also garbage and water and stuff in it too.

792
00:31:53.160 --> 00:31:55.920
Yeah, I don't fancy how you ready at melon.

793
00:31:55.980 --> 00:31:57.119
They're very nice.

794
00:31:58.619 --> 00:31:59.039
Yeah.

795
00:31:59.039 --> 00:32:00.299
You fired through the water.

796
00:32:00.359 --> 00:32:01.680
But now he makes a leap.

797
00:32:01.799 --> 00:32:06.000
So I get the weapon. figured that out for what Julian said, but

798
00:32:06.000 --> 00:32:09.119
now he's like, bar, and he's able to look through the walls.

799
00:32:09.180 --> 00:32:12.000
Yeah, because he's got the IP. he, doesn't he?

800
00:32:12.059 --> 00:32:14.039
So he's worked all of that stuff out.

801
00:32:14.099 --> 00:32:16.079
And that was clearly the premise.

802
00:32:16.140 --> 00:32:18.119
That's where we start from, a killer who can do that.

803
00:32:18.180 --> 00:32:21.539
I wondered if it should have been, you know, that brilliant

804
00:32:21.539 --> 00:32:23.759
eyepiece that they use on the gem'dar ships.

805
00:32:23.819 --> 00:32:24.059
Yeah.

806
00:32:24.059 --> 00:32:25.079
And they had it gone now.

807
00:32:25.140 --> 00:32:27.299
Wow, you can actually use that.

808
00:32:27.359 --> 00:32:28.319
It looks really good.

809
00:32:28.380 --> 00:32:30.420
It certainly looks better than this stupid yellow thing.

810
00:32:30.660 --> 00:32:32.220
Well, yeah.

811
00:32:32.519 --> 00:32:33.779
That's mostly the problem.

812
00:32:33.839 --> 00:32:36.119
Actually, I'm quite surprised the gun's as good as it is.

813
00:32:36.180 --> 00:32:38.460
So it feels sort of hefty.

814
00:32:38.519 --> 00:32:43.079
Yeah, I think that some, like, it's really relying on acting to

815
00:32:43.079 --> 00:32:45.299
feel hefty and that doesn't always work.

816
00:32:45.359 --> 00:32:48.660
So it's not quite as bad as the shitty balsa wood rifle.

817
00:32:49.200 --> 00:32:50.640
Well, not hear it. okay?

818
00:32:50.700 --> 00:32:51.960
I love those girls.

819
00:32:52.559 --> 00:32:55.259
Voyager makes the right decision.

820
00:32:55.319 --> 00:32:59.640
It's informed by how crap those guns are of having much bigger

821
00:32:59.640 --> 00:33:00.839
phase arrives.

822
00:33:00.900 --> 00:33:03.359
He's watched so many episodes of murder she wrote, and there's

823
00:33:03.359 --> 00:33:07.019
been many scenes of Jessica Fletcher going, what is the connection

824
00:33:07.019 --> 00:33:07.799
between these people?

825
00:33:07.859 --> 00:33:13.140
So this, so what, um, Morn has copped off and he's bringing a

826
00:33:13.140 --> 00:33:14.279
woman home from the thing.

827
00:33:14.279 --> 00:33:19.440
And the only reason he's there is to motivate the pan across to

828
00:33:19.440 --> 00:33:22.019
Asri and the replica, which I think is so great.

829
00:33:22.079 --> 00:33:23.220
Why not do they?

830
00:33:23.279 --> 00:33:24.420
It's really...

831
00:33:24.420 --> 00:33:26.039
But they need to put in an extra for it.

832
00:33:26.099 --> 00:33:26.940
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

833
00:33:26.940 --> 00:33:28.619
And make him up.

834
00:33:28.740 --> 00:33:28.980
Exactly.

835
00:33:29.039 --> 00:33:31.019
But I mean, Maurin's going to be in it, you know.

836
00:33:31.079 --> 00:33:31.980
He's in the background somewhere.

837
00:33:32.099 --> 00:33:34.500
See, I thought this was really nice.

838
00:33:34.559 --> 00:33:37.920
It's sort of like a nothing scene because it's war 1st following

839
00:33:37.920 --> 00:33:38.339
her.

840
00:33:38.400 --> 00:33:40.140
Well, we're supposed to think it's the killer.

841
00:33:40.200 --> 00:33:43.380
It's keeping an eye on her, but it uses that promenade set because

842
00:33:43.380 --> 00:33:45.059
when it's dark, it's kind of creepy.

843
00:33:45.119 --> 00:33:46.019
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

844
00:33:46.079 --> 00:33:47.759
Look, the camera's moving kind of slowly.

845
00:33:47.819 --> 00:33:51.180
If you could have any old sniper on that top level there.

846
00:33:51.240 --> 00:33:53.339
I think that top level should just be shut down.

847
00:33:53.400 --> 00:33:55.140
It's so much trouble.

848
00:33:55.200 --> 00:33:58.740
Just yellow gaffer tape everywhere saying out of order.

849
00:33:58.799 --> 00:34:01.380
But no, Italy, don't go up there.

850
00:34:01.440 --> 00:34:04.019
Like, don't you think this is quite well directed?

851
00:34:04.079 --> 00:34:07.019
I think it's, yeah, I think it's a really well directed piece.

852
00:34:07.140 --> 00:34:10.260
I also think too, I mean, this is clearly a contractual thing to

853
00:34:10.260 --> 00:34:12.300
give Michael something to do this week, right?

854
00:34:12.360 --> 00:34:13.980
It's a nice scene.

855
00:34:14.039 --> 00:34:17.579
I think so too, because it's Michael.

856
00:34:17.639 --> 00:34:23.099
It's Michael, it's Worf's concern for Ezri because Ezri is Dark

857
00:34:23.099 --> 00:34:26.639
which I think is really sweet. tries through that wolf sort of

858
00:34:26.639 --> 00:34:27.059
bullshit.

859
00:34:27.119 --> 00:34:28.019
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

860
00:34:28.019 --> 00:34:30.599
He's almost English where he goes, well, I would have done the

861
00:34:30.599 --> 00:34:31.920
same thing for Dr. Pashir.

862
00:34:31.980 --> 00:34:33.119
Chief O'Bride.

863
00:34:33.179 --> 00:34:35.400
She goes, you were concerned about me.

864
00:34:35.460 --> 00:34:36.840
Which is nice.

865
00:34:36.900 --> 00:34:38.460
So it's a proper character thing.

866
00:34:38.519 --> 00:34:42.300
It is a, and she's touched like I love how she says you were

867
00:34:42.300 --> 00:34:45.480
worried about me and she's actually really pleased.

868
00:34:45.539 --> 00:34:48.659
Because this is the relationship they really need to focus on it.

869
00:34:48.719 --> 00:34:49.199
And they do.

870
00:34:49.260 --> 00:34:51.900
In After Image, he literally says, you're not just there, I want

871
00:34:51.900 --> 00:34:52.860
nothing to do with you.

872
00:34:52.920 --> 00:34:56.460
And then at the end of it, he says, she's going to leave.

873
00:34:56.519 --> 00:35:00.239
Yeah, she goes, no, no one can handle me being here and he's the

874
00:35:00.239 --> 00:35:03.659
one that goes through and says, just stay, will deal with it.

875
00:35:03.719 --> 00:35:06.780
You know, just stay, which is a great mature moment on his part.

876
00:35:06.840 --> 00:35:11.340
Um, then there's moments like this where you can see he's

877
00:35:11.340 --> 00:35:15.539
concerned, which then leads to, obviously, the wonderful sitcom

878
00:35:15.539 --> 00:35:20.219
scenes of them having sex and him.

879
00:35:20.280 --> 00:35:24.119
He's such a bitch, considering how many men you have slept with

880
00:35:24.119 --> 00:35:25.800
but it's quite a statement.

881
00:35:25.800 --> 00:35:29.400
He's like, he would have said that to Jed Zia as well.

882
00:35:29.460 --> 00:35:31.079
Oh, shit.

883
00:35:31.079 --> 00:35:35.159
But then the result by the end of the season is he's the one

884
00:35:35.159 --> 00:35:38.699
that's sending the turbo lift down when in that soapy scene where

885
00:35:38.699 --> 00:35:40.500
they're snogging, her and Bashin.

886
00:35:40.559 --> 00:35:41.099
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

887
00:35:41.219 --> 00:35:44.340
And he goes, oh, fuck, quick. before they're seen, you know?

888
00:35:44.400 --> 00:35:46.320
And it's a really nice relationship.

889
00:35:46.380 --> 00:35:47.340
Again, across a year.

890
00:35:47.400 --> 00:35:48.300
I think it's well done.

891
00:35:48.420 --> 00:35:49.440
Yeah, yeah.

892
00:35:49.500 --> 00:35:52.199
And they just, they get wharf now.

893
00:35:52.260 --> 00:35:54.480
Like, I think it takes them four.

894
00:35:54.539 --> 00:35:55.739
Oh, here we go.

895
00:35:55.800 --> 00:36:00.059
No, that's the, no, that's the onion, the cream of mushroom soup

896
00:36:00.059 --> 00:36:00.360
there.

897
00:36:00.420 --> 00:36:03.000
So the cream of mushroom soup is better.

898
00:36:03.000 --> 00:36:04.500
That's dwarf's idea, isn't it?

899
00:36:04.559 --> 00:36:05.400
Like it's wharf.

900
00:36:05.460 --> 00:36:07.440
You are, Dax, it's your way.

901
00:36:07.500 --> 00:36:09.900
And so if it needs to.

902
00:36:09.960 --> 00:36:13.739
Yeah, so wharf motivates her to do this as well.

903
00:36:13.800 --> 00:36:15.420
So it's a good, that's a good scene.

904
00:36:15.480 --> 00:36:19.500
So it really is from scene to scene, connecting the dots in the

905
00:36:19.500 --> 00:36:19.980
right direction.

906
00:36:20.099 --> 00:36:20.940
Yeah, yeah.

907
00:36:21.000 --> 00:36:24.119
So, so I think what they do a good job of there.

908
00:36:24.179 --> 00:36:30.360
Let's say this, they do a good job of setting up this thing where

909
00:36:30.360 --> 00:36:35.039
her and Joanna investigate the murder, but they don't do a good

910
00:36:35.039 --> 00:36:39.360
job of working out the actual kind of misery.

911
00:36:39.480 --> 00:36:40.980
Which is a shame because if it had.

912
00:36:41.039 --> 00:36:43.860
I mean, it would still be filler, but I think it would be more

913
00:36:43.860 --> 00:36:44.099
sad.

914
00:36:44.219 --> 00:36:46.440
But by that point, honestly, the drums were in.

915
00:36:46.500 --> 00:36:50.340
She's pointing the camera. the gun straight at me in the climax.

916
00:36:50.400 --> 00:36:52.320
I'm still having fun.

917
00:36:52.380 --> 00:36:52.980
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

918
00:36:53.039 --> 00:36:55.199
Should we call this the silence of the trails?

919
00:36:55.320 --> 00:36:56.940
Yeah, that's a weird.

920
00:36:57.000 --> 00:37:01.320
See, the 90s are, of course, the era of the consulting psychopath

921
00:37:01.320 --> 00:37:03.900
and obviously...

922
00:37:03.900 --> 00:37:04.980
Brad Dorff in Voyager.

923
00:37:04.980 --> 00:37:06.659
We have one in Next Generation.

924
00:37:06.719 --> 00:37:07.800
I don't think so.

925
00:37:07.860 --> 00:37:09.780
It's all interesting, were they?

926
00:37:09.840 --> 00:37:13.559
Well, I think probably they were a little bit behind, you know, it

927
00:37:13.559 --> 00:37:16.199
sometimes takes Star Trek a little while to catch up with the sort

928
00:37:16.199 --> 00:37:19.860
of stuff, but also, you know, the serial killer isn't really a

929
00:37:19.860 --> 00:37:22.320
thing that you would have in Star Trek, the Next Generation.

930
00:37:22.380 --> 00:37:26.219
We generally have a consulting psychopath about 5 times a year at

931
00:37:26.219 --> 00:37:26.760
Garak.

932
00:37:26.820 --> 00:37:27.960
So they're quite...

933
00:37:28.019 --> 00:37:30.900
And occasionally, Dakart, in the early seasons.

934
00:37:30.960 --> 00:37:31.619
That's true.

935
00:37:31.679 --> 00:37:32.159
That's true.

936
00:37:32.219 --> 00:37:33.599
Well, that mud.

937
00:37:33.719 --> 00:37:36.300
I mean, actually, don't you think a scream of mushroom soup?

938
00:37:36.360 --> 00:37:39.179
Stuff you put on your face, you know, and you as a baby's possible

939
00:37:39.179 --> 00:37:40.139
afterwards.

940
00:37:40.199 --> 00:37:42.719
I just love, look at him.

941
00:37:42.780 --> 00:37:45.840
He's like, there's nothing naturalistic about his performance at

942
00:37:45.840 --> 00:37:46.019
all.

943
00:37:46.079 --> 00:37:49.679
He sort of always, always toot in his head. that hair, though

944
00:37:49.679 --> 00:37:50.579
bizarre looks.

945
00:37:50.639 --> 00:37:51.360
Yeah.

946
00:37:51.420 --> 00:37:52.440
Oh, well, I won't go for it.

947
00:37:52.559 --> 00:37:53.400
It's really bad.

948
00:37:53.460 --> 00:37:54.119
No doubt.

949
00:37:54.900 --> 00:38:00.119
She now has a permanent scowl on her face for the rest of the day

950
00:38:00.119 --> 00:38:01.320
yeah, because she hates it.

951
00:38:01.380 --> 00:38:03.179
I mean, at one point she does go, right, I've had enough of you

952
00:38:03.239 --> 00:38:05.099
goes back to the mob, doesn't she?

953
00:38:05.159 --> 00:38:07.079
Yeah, yeah, yeah, she's going to get rid of you.

954
00:38:07.139 --> 00:38:09.599
Unfortunately, her bowling is killed at just that moment.

955
00:38:09.719 --> 00:38:10.980
Yeah, this distracts her.

956
00:38:11.039 --> 00:38:11.639
Oh here we go.

957
00:38:11.699 --> 00:38:12.780
So he's the big gun.

958
00:38:12.780 --> 00:38:14.219
TR 116.

959
00:38:14.400 --> 00:38:14.880
Yeah.

960
00:38:14.880 --> 00:38:15.719
Yeah.

961
00:38:15.780 --> 00:38:17.460
Take it down, Ezri.

962
00:38:17.519 --> 00:38:19.860
You need to think the way the killer thinks.

963
00:38:19.920 --> 00:38:24.539
So do you think that they, so there's that thing where she says I

964
00:38:24.539 --> 00:38:27.599
have actually held a gun before?

965
00:38:27.599 --> 00:38:28.679
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

966
00:38:28.739 --> 00:38:30.300
In AR 556, right?

967
00:38:30.360 --> 00:38:33.000
She's got one of those balls award guns.

968
00:38:34.079 --> 00:38:36.960
You can buy them, you know, I might get well.

969
00:38:39.539 --> 00:38:41.639
You're still laughing now.

970
00:38:41.699 --> 00:38:44.880
I know you think you'd need a little eyepiece as well.

971
00:38:44.940 --> 00:38:47.400
Well, if it is, it won't last long, will it?

972
00:38:47.460 --> 00:38:48.300
I mean I'd love that gun.

973
00:38:48.360 --> 00:38:48.780
Look at that.

974
00:38:48.840 --> 00:38:50.340
It's pretty good.

975
00:38:50.400 --> 00:38:51.960
It might be considered an offensive weapon.

976
00:38:52.019 --> 00:38:53.340
I like carrying that.

977
00:38:53.400 --> 00:38:54.179
Yeah, yeah.

978
00:38:54.239 --> 00:38:55.679
Stop placating me.

979
00:38:56.099 --> 00:38:58.139
You want it my help now.

980
00:38:58.199 --> 00:38:59.159
Now, do as I say.

981
00:38:59.699 --> 00:39:04.500
But he's trying to be a bit seductive, but failing miserably.

982
00:39:04.559 --> 00:39:08.159
Well, yes, it would be nice if he was a little bit more

983
00:39:08.159 --> 00:39:09.000
seductive.

984
00:39:09.059 --> 00:39:12.659
He's just looking a little bit kind of petulant, isn't he?

985
00:39:13.380 --> 00:39:16.260
Oh, the weapons, if you're going to use it.

986
00:39:16.320 --> 00:39:19.559
Yeah, and you see, none of it doesn't seem to that that's

987
00:39:19.559 --> 00:39:19.920
necessary.

988
00:39:19.980 --> 00:39:22.559
He's doing the arm behind the back though, isn't he?

989
00:39:23.340 --> 00:39:25.980
They said, that's the one tick of Dax, you know.

990
00:39:26.039 --> 00:39:26.579
Yes.

991
00:39:26.639 --> 00:39:27.659
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

992
00:39:27.719 --> 00:39:30.000
Oh, she looks so cool with it. don't care.

993
00:39:30.659 --> 00:39:35.820
Because she's so cute, so to make you look like a killer as well.

994
00:39:35.820 --> 00:39:37.260
Oh, here we go, through the wall.

995
00:39:37.320 --> 00:39:38.460
It's really well done.

996
00:39:38.519 --> 00:39:40.260
I think it's really, really well done.

997
00:39:40.320 --> 00:39:43.079
And the little reticule thing that, you know, the targeting

998
00:39:43.079 --> 00:39:43.860
reticule thing.

999
00:39:43.920 --> 00:39:45.300
Oh, when it's on somebody.

1000
00:39:45.360 --> 00:39:46.980
Yeah, and it's...

1001
00:39:47.039 --> 00:39:47.880
And then it lights up.

1002
00:39:47.940 --> 00:39:53.760
But that's all established here so that that that scene of the 2

1003
00:39:53.760 --> 00:39:54.960
of them shooting at each other.

1004
00:39:55.019 --> 00:39:59.340
How did they do the did they just cut from zooming in through the

1005
00:39:59.340 --> 00:40:01.079
corridor to be in the next room?

1006
00:40:01.139 --> 00:40:02.039
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1007
00:40:02.099 --> 00:40:04.619
But they keep the camera moving at the same kind of rate.

1008
00:40:04.679 --> 00:40:06.420
And I think just looks really good.

1009
00:40:06.480 --> 00:40:09.480
I think it just, it works really well. and also the camera kind of

1010
00:40:09.480 --> 00:40:11.760
sort of stops for a second.

1011
00:40:11.820 --> 00:40:13.380
Going for the bulkheads.

1012
00:40:13.500 --> 00:40:14.340
Yeah, yeah, it's really good.

1013
00:40:14.400 --> 00:40:17.579
And it doesn't stop long enough for you to say our shit, whatever

1014
00:40:17.579 --> 00:40:18.780
they've conjured up is.

1015
00:40:18.900 --> 00:40:20.340
Yeah, no I think it's great.

1016
00:40:20.400 --> 00:40:25.679
So, but it's not clear why this is necessary. is part of the

1017
00:40:25.679 --> 00:40:26.940
problem.

1018
00:40:27.000 --> 00:40:29.820
Well, whoa, I think he's wants such to kill somebody.

1019
00:40:29.880 --> 00:40:37.619
No, no, but I mean, for it, for this to work, it has to be, um, it

1020
00:40:37.619 --> 00:40:41.159
has to be necessary to do this in order to solve the crime.

1021
00:40:41.219 --> 00:40:44.940
But I thought she was, yeah, he's literally listing out all the

1022
00:40:44.940 --> 00:40:48.360
things that the killer must be feeling whilst they're holding the

1023
00:40:48.360 --> 00:40:48.780
gum.

1024
00:40:48.840 --> 00:40:52.860
So it's supposed to lead us to their calm, methodical.

1025
00:40:52.920 --> 00:40:54.900
Yeah, we've got the a scientist or a doctor.

1026
00:40:54.960 --> 00:40:56.219
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1027
00:40:56.940 --> 00:41:00.659
But is it necessary to hold the gun to do that?

1028
00:41:00.719 --> 00:41:02.159
She looks great.

1029
00:41:02.219 --> 00:41:04.320
Oh, look, he's close-up, slur.

1030
00:41:05.519 --> 00:41:06.599
Shoot him, Esree.

1031
00:41:07.199 --> 00:41:10.139
They'll just think of the killer again, weren't they?

1032
00:41:10.199 --> 00:41:11.340
She's got some blackheads there.

1033
00:41:11.400 --> 00:41:12.179
What's that?

1034
00:41:12.239 --> 00:41:14.519
She's got the bloody sight right in the middle of his forehead.

1035
00:41:14.579 --> 00:41:15.539
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1036
00:41:15.599 --> 00:41:16.019
It's great.

1037
00:41:16.079 --> 00:41:19.860
Like, it could have just been, you know, what if you...

1038
00:41:19.920 --> 00:41:21.659
Oh, actually, no, maybe not.

1039
00:41:21.719 --> 00:41:24.239
He goes, the gun isn't loaded.

1040
00:41:30.300 --> 00:41:33.179
I mean, I couldn't see a series out of this, but as a one-off.

1041
00:41:33.239 --> 00:41:34.019
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1042
00:41:34.139 --> 00:41:38.099
I think it works really well Oh, here she is on the Promenade.

1043
00:41:38.159 --> 00:41:41.280
I don't think it's insane, but it is later when they've told the

1044
00:41:41.280 --> 00:41:42.840
actors just when you walk past her.

1045
00:41:43.320 --> 00:41:45.119
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1046
00:41:45.239 --> 00:41:46.679
Once she having a row with herself.

1047
00:41:46.800 --> 00:41:47.820
Yeah, that's right.

1048
00:41:47.880 --> 00:41:49.019
Although Quork comes up.

1049
00:41:49.079 --> 00:41:49.559
K comes in.

1050
00:41:49.619 --> 00:41:50.219
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1051
00:41:50.280 --> 00:41:52.800
Well, that's his contractually mandate.

1052
00:41:52.920 --> 00:41:54.599
You've been working too hard, Ezra.

1053
00:41:54.659 --> 00:41:56.519
You have an argument with yourself, you know?

1054
00:41:56.579 --> 00:41:58.019
I mean I frequently do that.

1055
00:41:58.079 --> 00:41:59.400
Is that unusual for you?

1056
00:41:59.460 --> 00:42:00.300
do that all the time.

1057
00:42:00.420 --> 00:42:02.579
I have a row with myself.

1058
00:42:03.599 --> 00:42:08.880
So Duran moves back in order to make it realistic that he's

1059
00:42:08.880 --> 00:42:11.940
standing, you know, to let him stand near enough to have that

1060
00:42:11.940 --> 00:42:12.480
conversation.

1061
00:42:12.599 --> 00:42:15.480
And this is a character beat in series 7 as well, because when he

1062
00:42:15.480 --> 00:42:18.780
realises as he's on the station, he makes a play for it because he

1063
00:42:18.780 --> 00:42:19.559
always loves Jazia.

1064
00:42:19.559 --> 00:42:20.280
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1065
00:42:20.340 --> 00:42:22.139
Ezra has hot eyes.

1066
00:42:22.199 --> 00:42:25.559
And so we do the O'Brien versus...

1067
00:42:25.619 --> 00:42:27.000
Bashir versus Corp.

1068
00:42:27.059 --> 00:42:29.400
Yeah, you know, in the race.

1069
00:42:29.460 --> 00:42:30.119
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1070
00:42:30.179 --> 00:42:32.400
And he's really sweet about it as well.

1071
00:42:32.460 --> 00:42:33.420
Yeah.

1072
00:42:33.480 --> 00:42:35.820
Well, I mean, he really likes stacks.

1073
00:42:35.880 --> 00:42:38.340
That's one of the great things I suppose I'll have to make myself

1074
00:42:38.340 --> 00:42:40.139
more endearing.

1075
00:42:40.199 --> 00:42:42.659
I'll do that in podcast, actually.

1076
00:42:42.719 --> 00:42:44.460
Oh, bit closer.

1077
00:42:45.059 --> 00:42:47.699
What is it that could link these people?

1078
00:42:47.760 --> 00:42:48.480
You know?

1079
00:42:48.539 --> 00:42:53.639
in memory, I've had a big close-up of the photo and poor old

1080
00:42:53.639 --> 00:42:57.659
Hector is very, very inexpertly Photoshopped.

1081
00:42:58.679 --> 00:43:02.039
Well, I mean, I'm pleased I don't linger on it too.

1082
00:43:02.400 --> 00:43:04.500
I really like it.

1083
00:43:04.559 --> 00:43:07.139
I know I've said this before, but I'm very aware of it in this

1084
00:43:07.139 --> 00:43:07.559
episode.

1085
00:43:07.559 --> 00:43:09.539
The lighting sources inside the room.

1086
00:43:09.599 --> 00:43:14.519
It's just so much more atmospheric than TNG. with its sort of

1087
00:43:14.519 --> 00:43:15.300
lounge lighting.

1088
00:43:15.360 --> 00:43:19.320
It does tend to be a bit darker than TNG.

1089
00:43:19.380 --> 00:43:20.519
Like there's less light.

1090
00:43:20.579 --> 00:43:22.260
I love the blue in the corridors.

1091
00:43:22.320 --> 00:43:23.219
I think that's...

1092
00:43:23.219 --> 00:43:24.659
Yeah, yeah, yeah, atmospheric.

1093
00:43:24.719 --> 00:43:26.639
But like we talked about ops before as well.

1094
00:43:26.699 --> 00:43:28.920
And there's just light and sources coming from everywhere.

1095
00:43:28.980 --> 00:43:30.239
The ceiling, the floor.

1096
00:43:30.360 --> 00:43:31.619
The sides.

1097
00:43:31.980 --> 00:43:33.420
Okay.

1098
00:43:33.480 --> 00:43:36.900
Oh, I did think last night now, we're sort of looking around the

1099
00:43:36.900 --> 00:43:40.380
quarters a bit too long now, you know, like, okay, come on, let's

1100
00:43:40.380 --> 00:43:40.980
find the link.

1101
00:43:41.039 --> 00:43:43.139
Yeah, yeah.

1102
00:43:43.199 --> 00:43:46.860
So now we're in Greta's quarters, there's the 2nd person to be

1103
00:43:46.860 --> 00:43:47.280
killed.

1104
00:43:47.519 --> 00:43:50.760
And so, she was married.

1105
00:43:50.820 --> 00:43:54.480
She's been here a long time, a monument to Matt.

1106
00:43:56.159 --> 00:43:58.320
Just an observation.

1107
00:43:58.380 --> 00:44:01.260
Actually, I mean, that's quite good though, isn't it a little

1108
00:44:01.260 --> 00:44:02.940
character thing?

1109
00:44:03.000 --> 00:44:05.400
So she's been taking her photos.

1110
00:44:05.460 --> 00:44:08.519
This is her wedding photo, but someone's left live photo.

1111
00:44:08.639 --> 00:44:12.119
So it moves when you kind of pick it up.

1112
00:44:12.179 --> 00:44:13.500
I like live version.

1113
00:44:13.559 --> 00:44:14.460
I don't a lot.

1114
00:44:14.519 --> 00:44:17.519
I don't know what you miss around the picture.

1115
00:44:18.780 --> 00:44:20.639
She was married.

1116
00:44:20.639 --> 00:44:21.719
Allario was single.

1117
00:44:21.780 --> 00:44:23.219
She was on his base 9 for years.

1118
00:44:23.280 --> 00:44:25.019
So what do they have in common?

1119
00:44:25.079 --> 00:44:27.179
Well, we just looked at the photo in his quarters.

1120
00:44:27.239 --> 00:44:29.460
Now we're looking for the greatest quarters.

1121
00:44:29.519 --> 00:44:32.039
Besides any of them, they have nothing in common.

1122
00:44:32.099 --> 00:44:34.559
And that's part of this thing, she's giving this big speech about

1123
00:44:34.559 --> 00:44:36.900
nothing at common. could just be random.

1124
00:44:36.960 --> 00:44:40.440
And you're kind of thinking, but what about the photos, Ezra?

1125
00:44:40.500 --> 00:44:43.079
And so she does end up being dumber than...

1126
00:44:43.139 --> 00:44:44.400
It could have been even worse.

1127
00:44:44.460 --> 00:44:47.159
It could have been like somebody who's like a photographer.

1128
00:44:47.219 --> 00:44:49.980
It was like, stokes photographs are so bad.

1129
00:44:49.980 --> 00:44:50.820
I'm going to kill you.

1130
00:44:50.880 --> 00:44:51.960
I'm gonna murder you.

1131
00:44:52.019 --> 00:44:55.320
Yeah, you're so poorly Photoshopped into that photo.

1132
00:44:55.380 --> 00:44:57.960
You know, I once went on a date with somebody, right?

1133
00:44:58.019 --> 00:45:01.619
was looking across the table at me a bit menacing like that.

1134
00:45:01.679 --> 00:45:04.199
Yeah, he was a doc, sorry, he was...

1135
00:45:04.199 --> 00:45:06.480
I think he wanted to dissect me or something.

1136
00:45:06.539 --> 00:45:07.679
Jeffrey Dahmer.

1137
00:45:07.739 --> 00:45:09.179
That wasn't euphemism.

1138
00:45:09.360 --> 00:45:11.820
You want to turn me into a killer?

1139
00:45:11.880 --> 00:45:12.960
I say, I love being flower.

1140
00:45:13.019 --> 00:45:14.340
So shit, man.

1141
00:45:14.400 --> 00:45:16.739
Oh, she goes, you want to turn me into a killer.

1142
00:45:16.800 --> 00:45:17.699
What do you say?

1143
00:45:17.760 --> 00:45:18.239
I stop?

1144
00:45:18.599 --> 00:45:20.039
Oh, this bit now.

1145
00:45:20.099 --> 00:45:21.300
Oh, yeah, yeah.

1146
00:45:21.360 --> 00:45:25.619
So here's the man who's been replicating TR 116 because he's a gun

1147
00:45:25.619 --> 00:45:26.340
collector.

1148
00:45:26.400 --> 00:45:30.840
And again, that's the shittiest fucking red herring ever.

1149
00:45:30.900 --> 00:45:34.860
You know, of all the guns that there could possibly be, he's

1150
00:45:34.860 --> 00:45:35.400
replicated.

1151
00:45:35.460 --> 00:45:36.960
They built it across the face.

1152
00:45:37.019 --> 00:45:39.539
I mean, I pick up the knife.

1153
00:45:39.599 --> 00:45:41.280
Although she's really going for it.

1154
00:45:41.340 --> 00:45:44.579
She sort of shaking her hand like, I'm going to stab you to

1155
00:45:44.579 --> 00:45:44.880
death.

1156
00:45:45.539 --> 00:45:48.719
You laughed your head off when we were watching this.

1157
00:45:48.780 --> 00:45:51.000
It casts to Cisco's quarters and he picks up the knife.

1158
00:45:51.000 --> 00:45:52.380
I'm, do you want to exit them?

1159
00:45:54.059 --> 00:45:58.260
This is not normal behaviour, you know. in an investigation.

1160
00:45:59.340 --> 00:46:03.179
I think she goes, she goes, gee, don't give up on me.

1161
00:46:03.239 --> 00:46:03.900
I can find it.

1162
00:46:03.960 --> 00:46:07.019
He's like, if I hear anything like this, it happens again and

1163
00:46:07.019 --> 00:46:08.280
you're out of this.

1164
00:46:08.280 --> 00:46:09.480
It's so overreacted.

1165
00:46:10.800 --> 00:46:13.019
He goes, oh, say so.

1166
00:46:13.920 --> 00:46:16.920
I'm sorry, things go out of hand.

1167
00:46:16.980 --> 00:46:19.199
And then she know, now she's leaping.

1168
00:46:19.260 --> 00:46:20.460
What, you kill 2 people?

1169
00:46:20.519 --> 00:46:22.260
Did you even look into?

1170
00:46:22.920 --> 00:46:26.280
Are you sure you should be running this investigation?

1171
00:46:26.400 --> 00:46:31.739
But just a sec, didn't we hear that anyone had access to those

1172
00:46:31.739 --> 00:46:33.960
things who was a Starfleet officer?

1173
00:46:33.960 --> 00:46:36.300
And there's 900 stoppers.

1174
00:46:36.360 --> 00:46:40.320
Southfleet officers, but he, but Bertram accessed it without

1175
00:46:40.320 --> 00:46:41.880
authorisation.

1176
00:46:41.940 --> 00:46:45.960
Yes, and but he was on Bajor, wasn't he?

1177
00:46:46.019 --> 00:46:47.099
That's why he got out of it.

1178
00:46:47.159 --> 00:46:49.079
He wasn't there for the 1st murder.

1179
00:46:49.139 --> 00:46:49.739
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1180
00:46:49.800 --> 00:46:51.420
Yeah, it couldn't be him because he was on Bajor.

1181
00:46:51.480 --> 00:46:53.039
Connie Beamer bulletin from Bajor?

1182
00:46:53.099 --> 00:46:55.019
I think that's probably a bit far.

1183
00:46:55.079 --> 00:46:56.639
Because you can't beam to that.

1184
00:46:56.699 --> 00:46:57.659
It's a war between planets.

1185
00:46:57.659 --> 00:47:00.239
We haven't been in person to Beijor, can you?

1186
00:47:00.300 --> 00:47:00.900
Oh that's true.

1187
00:47:00.960 --> 00:47:03.659
Yeah, I think like we're a bully, you know, it's quite small.

1188
00:47:03.719 --> 00:47:04.320
Maybe.

1189
00:47:04.380 --> 00:47:05.340
Maybe.

1190
00:47:05.400 --> 00:47:07.980
Oh, we spent a bit of time in this ugly lift, don't we?

1191
00:47:08.039 --> 00:47:09.780
With these dreadful 2 shots.

1192
00:47:11.880 --> 00:47:15.960
I mean, just you wait until the killer walks in the lift later.

1193
00:47:16.019 --> 00:47:16.980
That's my favourite bit.

1194
00:47:17.039 --> 00:47:17.940
Yeah.

1195
00:47:17.940 --> 00:47:18.659
Oh my god.

1196
00:47:18.719 --> 00:47:19.920
It's him, Ezry.

1197
00:47:19.980 --> 00:47:21.360
Oh, really?

1198
00:47:21.420 --> 00:47:24.719
The killer just happened to the lift 30 minutes into this

1199
00:47:24.719 --> 00:47:25.079
episode.

1200
00:47:25.139 --> 00:47:26.940
Say how many people are on the station?

1201
00:47:27.000 --> 00:47:28.739
There must be 1000s of people.

1202
00:47:28.860 --> 00:47:29.880
A couple of thousand, yeah.

1203
00:47:29.940 --> 00:47:32.340
And 900 of them are Starfleet officers.

1204
00:47:32.400 --> 00:47:35.340
Yeah, there's something like 600 pajuras.

1205
00:47:35.400 --> 00:47:37.260
So they're listing more.

1206
00:47:37.320 --> 00:47:40.860
And they work on a 26 hour rotating ship.

1207
00:47:40.920 --> 00:47:41.760
Yes, of course they do.

1208
00:47:41.820 --> 00:47:43.320
Yeah, I think it's 4 shifts.

1209
00:47:43.380 --> 00:47:45.300
Hang on, 26 hours, 4 shifts.

1210
00:47:45.360 --> 00:47:46.559
Yeah.

1211
00:47:46.559 --> 00:47:48.000
That's not a long day, is it?

1212
00:47:48.059 --> 00:47:48.960
7.5 .

1213
00:47:49.019 --> 00:47:50.820
I better get a transfer.

1214
00:47:52.079 --> 00:47:54.179
I hate all of this.

1215
00:47:54.239 --> 00:47:54.960
Yeah, yeah.

1216
00:47:54.960 --> 00:47:56.880
Team Ducks, Nazza, I am.

1217
00:47:57.239 --> 00:47:58.860
What's that?

1218
00:47:58.860 --> 00:48:00.000
A lot of Zeds in it.

1219
00:48:00.000 --> 00:48:01.380
Dazoo bikes.

1220
00:48:01.380 --> 00:48:06.659
Brock, you're a wolf just lean on the keyboard.

1221
00:48:06.719 --> 00:48:10.739
But I quite like, like, this where she just says, no, actually

1222
00:48:10.739 --> 00:48:14.940
fuck off. you can go because I can't be stabbing people or I'll

1223
00:48:14.940 --> 00:48:15.659
get in trouble.

1224
00:48:15.719 --> 00:48:21.179
Um, and but she, and Duran's kind of surprised that it didn't

1225
00:48:21.179 --> 00:48:21.480
quite work.

1226
00:48:21.840 --> 00:48:25.019
When they're called away, he's got a smuggler.

1227
00:48:25.079 --> 00:48:26.400
That's really good.

1228
00:48:26.460 --> 00:48:28.380
Yeah, oh, I bolian.

1229
00:48:28.440 --> 00:48:29.039
Yeah.

1230
00:48:29.039 --> 00:48:32.519
He has a co-husband on Belarus.

1231
00:48:32.579 --> 00:48:33.119
Yes.

1232
00:48:33.179 --> 00:48:35.219
Now do they have sex with their co-husbands?

1233
00:48:35.280 --> 00:48:37.320
I like sex with their kind as well.

1234
00:48:37.380 --> 00:48:39.300
Why isn't he a husband then?

1235
00:48:39.960 --> 00:48:43.320
He has a whole polycule on Bolaris.

1236
00:48:43.380 --> 00:48:48.000
They're sort of revolutionary, but only halfway there.

1237
00:48:48.059 --> 00:48:50.519
Well, see, I think it's a little bit more like...

1238
00:48:50.519 --> 00:48:52.079
It's a bit like, you know, when they gave us, you know, simple

1239
00:48:52.079 --> 00:48:54.000
partnerships instead of marriage.

1240
00:48:54.059 --> 00:48:55.559
The terminology.

1241
00:48:55.619 --> 00:48:58.860
They didn't want to get too bold, but, you know, and the word

1242
00:48:58.860 --> 00:49:02.460
cogenitor was spoiled by those horrible people.

1243
00:49:02.519 --> 00:49:04.559
I just thought I'd have blue butts, wouldn't they?

1244
00:49:04.619 --> 00:49:06.059
Yeah, not polio.

1245
00:49:06.119 --> 00:49:07.260
Okay.

1246
00:49:08.400 --> 00:49:10.440
I love his line.

1247
00:49:10.500 --> 00:49:13.679
How can he be so happy with such ugly children?

1248
00:49:13.739 --> 00:49:14.519
is so great.

1249
00:49:14.579 --> 00:49:18.960
I mean, and it is, even though her realising finally that the

1250
00:49:18.960 --> 00:49:19.920
photo raw sort of thing.

1251
00:49:19.980 --> 00:49:21.360
It is a good way of getting us to it.

1252
00:49:21.420 --> 00:49:23.579
Yeah, yeah. and it's smiling photos.

1253
00:49:23.639 --> 00:49:26.579
And again, that pan, you know, the whip pan across between the

1254
00:49:26.579 --> 00:49:27.239
things.

1255
00:49:27.239 --> 00:49:28.139
Not the visual language.

1256
00:49:28.139 --> 00:49:29.639
It's not normal, is it?

1257
00:49:29.699 --> 00:49:30.239
No.

1258
00:49:30.239 --> 00:49:31.380
You would get it now.

1259
00:49:31.440 --> 00:49:32.820
She's laughing.

1260
00:49:32.880 --> 00:49:35.099
That's what the victims have in common.

1261
00:49:35.159 --> 00:49:36.360
Oh, well done.

1262
00:49:36.420 --> 00:49:37.199
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1263
00:49:37.260 --> 00:49:39.659
Yeah, you're only 10 minutes behind us.

1264
00:49:39.719 --> 00:49:43.019
All the leaps happen now because we're 30 minutes in.

1265
00:49:43.079 --> 00:49:45.119
We need to get to the end and find the killer.

1266
00:49:45.179 --> 00:49:47.099
So she's like, it's making him lose control.

1267
00:49:47.159 --> 00:49:48.480
It's definitely a Vulcan.

1268
00:49:48.539 --> 00:49:49.860
He can't stand smile.

1269
00:49:49.980 --> 00:49:50.159
What?

1270
00:49:50.219 --> 00:49:51.000
Yeah, yeah.

1271
00:49:51.059 --> 00:49:55.500
But I think the problem is, yeah, you're thinking like he thinks

1272
00:49:55.500 --> 00:49:55.800
good.

1273
00:49:55.860 --> 00:49:59.159
But I think the problem is that it's not really necessary. needs

1274
00:49:59.159 --> 00:50:01.199
to be evidence beyond the photos.

1275
00:50:01.199 --> 00:50:06.300
But there also, there's, it's not just that, that, that he needs

1276
00:50:06.300 --> 00:50:11.579
to be like Juran or like her in some way, that, that, that, it

1277
00:50:11.579 --> 00:50:17.280
needs to be like a picture of what might happen to Ezri if, you

1278
00:50:17.280 --> 00:50:20.280
know, what the stakes are, like, because Duran's trying to turn

1279
00:50:20.280 --> 00:50:23.639
Ezri into a murderer, you know, what does that look like?

1280
00:50:23.699 --> 00:50:26.760
There just needs to, there just needs to go an extra step.

1281
00:50:26.880 --> 00:50:28.079
I just don't buy the leaf.

1282
00:50:28.139 --> 00:50:31.320
I don't know anything. like just DNA or something.

1283
00:50:31.380 --> 00:50:31.619
Right.

1284
00:50:31.679 --> 00:50:33.539
Shit, there's Vulcan DNA on this weapon.

1285
00:50:33.659 --> 00:50:36.059
Okay, that makes sense because of the photograph.

1286
00:50:36.179 --> 00:50:38.219
Yeah, yeah, why do we assume it's a vulture?

1287
00:50:38.280 --> 00:50:39.119
Just something extra.

1288
00:50:39.179 --> 00:50:41.099
Although I did love that a minute ago.

1289
00:50:41.159 --> 00:50:45.900
The camera pans from their console around to Ezri going, okay, we

1290
00:50:45.900 --> 00:50:47.400
got 28 suspects left.

1291
00:50:47.519 --> 00:50:49.619
We're getting close then.

1292
00:50:49.679 --> 00:50:53.219
And then we've only got one suspect in a minute when we walk into

1293
00:50:53.219 --> 00:50:53.579
the lift.

1294
00:50:53.639 --> 00:50:57.900
And this, the way the photograph free of the emotion. making it

1295
00:50:57.900 --> 00:51:00.000
seem like the laughter is going to come out forever.

1296
00:51:00.059 --> 00:51:03.300
Mind you, that old couple walked past behind them and they both

1297
00:51:03.300 --> 00:51:06.059
turned and looked at her talking to no one, which I thought was

1298
00:51:06.059 --> 00:51:06.780
really good.

1299
00:51:06.840 --> 00:51:08.460
Maybe they're to distract us from the line.

1300
00:51:08.519 --> 00:51:09.719
That terrible lie.

1301
00:51:09.780 --> 00:51:11.460
But then he comes in, right?

1302
00:51:11.460 --> 00:51:14.820
And, you know, we've never seen a Vulcan look more like a serial

1303
00:51:14.820 --> 00:51:15.900
killer than this man.

1304
00:51:16.619 --> 00:51:19.920
Although she goes, because Durand's looking at him really

1305
00:51:19.920 --> 00:51:20.280
closely.

1306
00:51:20.340 --> 00:51:21.179
She goes, what are you doing?

1307
00:51:21.239 --> 00:51:23.699
And the Vulcan goes, are you addressing me?

1308
00:51:24.480 --> 00:51:26.579
There is, look at him.

1309
00:51:26.639 --> 00:51:28.019
Of course he's the killer.

1310
00:51:28.079 --> 00:51:32.519
He looks like a psychopath right at the end of the other end. so

1311
00:51:32.519 --> 00:51:36.119
that invisible Geran can stand between them. thoughtful like that

1312
00:51:36.119 --> 00:51:38.639
you know, he's heard there's some trill stuff going there.

1313
00:51:38.699 --> 00:51:40.920
Are you addressing me?

1314
00:51:41.099 --> 00:51:42.900
Yeah, yeah.

1315
00:51:42.960 --> 00:51:45.239
This is hilarious.

1316
00:51:45.300 --> 00:51:49.199
I think he's told to go close to her in this shot in a second. but

1317
00:51:49.199 --> 00:51:51.239
he's too close and then he moves back.

1318
00:51:51.300 --> 00:51:51.900
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1319
00:51:51.960 --> 00:51:54.420
Because she looks straight at her and it looks like a kiss.

1320
00:51:54.840 --> 00:51:57.179
Just come back, come back, come back.

1321
00:51:57.239 --> 00:51:58.380
Okay, we don't need to go again.

1322
00:51:58.440 --> 00:51:58.800
It's fine.

1323
00:52:00.059 --> 00:52:02.340
Oh, dear God.

1324
00:52:02.400 --> 00:52:05.099
By the way, I'm Counsellor Tax.

1325
00:52:05.159 --> 00:52:08.639
I know who you are, but I've got to fucking go and kill somebody

1326
00:52:08.639 --> 00:52:08.940
all right?

1327
00:52:09.000 --> 00:52:12.059
Oh, no, now straight away he goes to look for her brother.

1328
00:52:12.119 --> 00:52:12.840
No, it goes to kill her.

1329
00:52:12.900 --> 00:52:14.039
Do you suspect that it's her now?

1330
00:52:14.099 --> 00:52:14.760
Yeah, yeah.

1331
00:52:14.820 --> 00:52:16.019
I mean, the sequence is wonderful.

1332
00:52:16.079 --> 00:52:18.300
Yeah, I think this is...

1333
00:52:18.360 --> 00:52:19.139
Oh, it's really good.

1334
00:52:19.139 --> 00:52:20.639
And they do a great job.

1335
00:52:20.699 --> 00:52:25.920
And the bit that I thought was just magnificent is that she shoots

1336
00:52:25.920 --> 00:52:28.860
him dead using the same weapon.

1337
00:52:28.920 --> 00:52:34.260
And I guess that's why we need, you know, Duran to have her use

1338
00:52:34.260 --> 00:52:36.840
the weapon so that she uses it to solve the problem.

1339
00:52:36.900 --> 00:52:38.579
And the only reason works.

1340
00:52:38.639 --> 00:52:42.179
He doesn't get an accurate shot on hers because he's pulled

1341
00:52:42.179 --> 00:52:46.380
backless from her bullet, but it's just...

1342
00:52:46.440 --> 00:52:48.300
It's so grand.

1343
00:52:48.300 --> 00:52:50.219
The vacuum of space coming in, haven't you?

1344
00:52:50.280 --> 00:52:51.719
Yeah, really well done.

1345
00:52:51.780 --> 00:52:53.099
I love, I love.

1346
00:52:53.519 --> 00:52:55.619
I mean, just the idea of the 2 of them look at it.

1347
00:52:55.679 --> 00:52:56.340
Yeah, yeah.

1348
00:52:56.340 --> 00:52:57.300
It's really good.

1349
00:52:57.360 --> 00:52:59.639
The buildup of the music is really well done.

1350
00:52:59.760 --> 00:53:03.119
But it's when the music just cuts and they're both just staring at

1351
00:53:03.119 --> 00:53:04.739
each other. who's going to make the 1st move?

1352
00:53:04.860 --> 00:53:07.980
But also the reticule, the way that they've established how the

1353
00:53:07.980 --> 00:53:11.760
reticule turns red when, like, it's got a target.

1354
00:53:11.820 --> 00:53:12.780
I think is great.

1355
00:53:12.840 --> 00:53:15.239
Come on, Ezra, get that gun out the wall.

1356
00:53:17.039 --> 00:53:19.320
She's all business now.

1357
00:53:19.440 --> 00:53:21.000
You know what?

1358
00:53:21.059 --> 00:53:23.880
If I get that Vulcan within my sights, he's dead.

1359
00:53:24.420 --> 00:53:27.960
Because, of course, we established that it wasn't loaded before, so

1360
00:53:27.960 --> 00:53:29.519
she's now loading the gun.

1361
00:53:29.579 --> 00:53:33.840
Gosh, you have a big gun in every sky. you should have a big gun

1362
00:53:33.840 --> 00:53:35.039
in every scene.

1363
00:53:35.099 --> 00:53:38.460
She's doing the face now of like, yeah, okay, here we go.

1364
00:53:38.519 --> 00:53:39.960
Yeah, this.

1365
00:53:40.019 --> 00:53:41.699
It's really good.

1366
00:53:41.820 --> 00:53:44.159
The camera goes over his shoulder in a really impressive way as

1367
00:53:44.159 --> 00:53:46.139
well, straight to the straight.

1368
00:53:46.199 --> 00:53:47.340
She goes, oh, it's me.

1369
00:53:47.340 --> 00:53:51.659
And then the music goes, dun, dun, but goes through him.

1370
00:53:51.719 --> 00:53:54.239
It actually goes through his back, doesn't it?

1371
00:53:54.360 --> 00:53:55.920
That's how they do that.

1372
00:53:55.920 --> 00:53:56.579
It's good.

1373
00:53:56.639 --> 00:53:57.599
I think it's really good.

1374
00:53:57.659 --> 00:53:59.039
It's my service record.

1375
00:53:59.099 --> 00:54:01.260
Thank you for telling her.

1376
00:54:01.320 --> 00:54:02.699
He suspects I know him.

1377
00:54:02.760 --> 00:54:04.380
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1378
00:54:04.440 --> 00:54:07.380
All of that stuff, they always do this on stuff.

1379
00:54:07.440 --> 00:54:09.000
We can just...

1380
00:54:09.059 --> 00:54:10.139
He's carrying something.

1381
00:54:10.199 --> 00:54:11.820
We're watching the television.

1382
00:54:13.440 --> 00:54:15.300
Is it a gun?

1383
00:54:15.360 --> 00:54:16.920
We're not sure it's in some carpet.

1384
00:54:17.519 --> 00:54:19.139
Shoot him.

1385
00:54:20.340 --> 00:54:22.079
Yeah, there you go.

1386
00:54:22.139 --> 00:54:23.280
She loads the gun there.

1387
00:54:23.340 --> 00:54:25.860
So maybe that is why she needed to hold it earlier.

1388
00:54:25.920 --> 00:54:28.440
Yes, no, no, no, because this is how it's resolved.

1389
00:54:28.500 --> 00:54:28.800
Yeah.

1390
00:54:28.860 --> 00:54:31.380
I love these close-ups on her.

1391
00:54:31.440 --> 00:54:32.460
Go on, very intense.

1392
00:54:32.519 --> 00:54:33.960
Yeah, it's...

1393
00:54:33.960 --> 00:54:37.139
Oh, that would the zoom out from the camera onto our face.

1394
00:54:37.199 --> 00:54:42.179
Oh, that's so good because they're looking at each other.

1395
00:54:42.239 --> 00:54:43.500
Do you know what I mean?

1396
00:54:43.559 --> 00:54:46.079
The grammar of that is that they're looking at each other.

1397
00:54:46.139 --> 00:54:47.760
And it's, yeah, yeah.

1398
00:54:47.820 --> 00:54:51.539
Did you say that the weapon came 1st and the mystery...

1399
00:54:51.599 --> 00:54:53.099
I can see why the weapon came.

1400
00:54:53.159 --> 00:54:55.619
Yeah, yeah, yeah. because it's really good and the resolution that

1401
00:54:55.619 --> 00:54:56.940
it enables is great.

1402
00:54:57.000 --> 00:54:59.039
It's like shit.

1403
00:54:59.099 --> 00:55:02.519
So he's now crawling bloodily across the floor to get the weapon.

1404
00:55:02.579 --> 00:55:05.280
And then she treads on it and it sounds so plastic.

1405
00:55:05.340 --> 00:55:07.440
Like, it looks like it's made.

1406
00:55:07.440 --> 00:55:10.199
That's the best show of the episode of her looking down on it with

1407
00:55:10.199 --> 00:55:10.500
the gum.

1408
00:55:10.559 --> 00:55:11.039
Yeah, yeah.

1409
00:55:11.099 --> 00:55:12.840
But she goes, why did you do it?

1410
00:55:12.900 --> 00:55:16.199
It goes, because logic to man.

1411
00:55:16.260 --> 00:55:18.840
Just like, yeah, we want to find out then.

1412
00:55:18.900 --> 00:55:23.400
I mean, like, like, if you follow the psychology through, you

1413
00:55:23.400 --> 00:55:27.239
could make a case that a Vulcan, who lost everybody who's close to

1414
00:55:27.239 --> 00:55:33.179
him, could be traumatised and angry, lash out, I don't buy it.

1415
00:55:33.239 --> 00:55:34.679
No, none of it makes sense.

1416
00:55:34.739 --> 00:55:36.300
That's the weakest part of it.

1417
00:55:36.360 --> 00:55:37.619
The mystery just doesn't work.

1418
00:55:37.679 --> 00:55:39.840
But you've seen murder, she wrote.

1419
00:55:39.960 --> 00:55:40.980
I mean, it rarely made sense.

1420
00:55:41.039 --> 00:55:43.440
Yeah, I think they should have done a better job than that, but

1421
00:55:43.440 --> 00:55:46.739
nevertheless, it's it works pretty well, all the characters stuff

1422
00:55:46.739 --> 00:55:47.460
and everything else.

1423
00:55:47.699 --> 00:55:53.039
No, you can't because then Duran wins.

1424
00:55:53.099 --> 00:55:58.380
So what she does learn that Geran is necessary, but she also

1425
00:55:58.380 --> 00:55:59.820
learns that she can handle him.

1426
00:56:00.059 --> 00:56:00.840
We go again.

1427
00:56:00.900 --> 00:56:02.460
Juzzy, fuck, and...

1428
00:56:04.019 --> 00:56:05.400
Lenor, Jakovok.

1429
00:56:05.519 --> 00:56:06.360
Yeah, yeah, come on.

1430
00:56:06.539 --> 00:56:10.920
I just said to her, Nicole, just say something.

1431
00:56:11.099 --> 00:56:14.159
I'm title T Star Trek.

1432
00:56:14.219 --> 00:56:18.539
No, it's kind of like, we're not getting, you know, a whole

1433
00:56:18.539 --> 00:56:19.980
language, all right?

1434
00:56:20.039 --> 00:56:21.119
We've done that.

1435
00:56:22.739 --> 00:56:25.199
I'm not fucking jealous.

1436
00:56:25.260 --> 00:56:27.059
Yeah, that's right.

1437
00:56:27.119 --> 00:56:27.960
Lean on the keyboard.

1438
00:56:28.079 --> 00:56:31.199
You can't bury me as deeply.

1439
00:56:31.199 --> 00:56:32.099
And she decides not to.

1440
00:56:32.159 --> 00:56:33.480
Yeah, yeah.

1441
00:56:33.539 --> 00:56:33.960
Yeah.

1442
00:56:34.019 --> 00:56:39.960
So yeah, they've reached some form of a conclusion about...

1443
00:56:40.019 --> 00:56:42.360
Yeah, but it gives her a little bit more steel.

1444
00:56:42.420 --> 00:56:43.079
I think it's good.

1445
00:56:43.139 --> 00:56:48.300
And then, like, if, you know, the show had gone on, maybe that

1446
00:56:48.300 --> 00:56:49.739
something could have come of her.

1447
00:56:49.800 --> 00:56:50.820
Yeah, definitely.

1448
00:56:50.880 --> 00:56:54.360
But she does have more steel in the 2nd half. the series.

1449
00:56:54.420 --> 00:56:59.099
Like there's very few moments where she's sort of portrayed as a

1450
00:56:59.099 --> 00:57:00.900
victim or weak, which is quite nice.

1451
00:57:00.900 --> 00:57:05.820
And again, I thought that was a strange ending because, in a way

1452
00:57:05.820 --> 00:57:10.380
it's not really that strange because of course it ends on that

1453
00:57:10.380 --> 00:57:13.619
character moment of, you know, she's looking at him in the mirror

1454
00:57:13.619 --> 00:57:17.760
and then it turns into her to kind of re-emphasize that they're

1455
00:57:17.760 --> 00:57:21.900
the same person, but we never kind of go and tell Cisco or Odo or

1456
00:57:21.900 --> 00:57:24.119
anything. you know, like and I guess we don't need that.

1457
00:57:24.179 --> 00:57:26.280
Well, that's the sort of thing we normally complain about.

1458
00:57:26.340 --> 00:57:27.059
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1459
00:57:27.059 --> 00:57:27.719
But they do they?

1460
00:57:27.780 --> 00:57:29.099
We don't need it.

1461
00:57:29.159 --> 00:57:29.639
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1462
00:57:29.699 --> 00:57:31.260
She's she's reached a conclusion.

1463
00:57:31.320 --> 00:57:31.800
That's enough.

1464
00:57:31.860 --> 00:57:33.119
Yeah, yeah, that's fair enough.

1465
00:57:33.179 --> 00:57:37.019
Now, I would say, I'm not sure if I was going to choose a D-Space

1466
00:57:37.019 --> 00:57:41.039
9 episode to show somebody that had never seen it before, that I

1467
00:57:41.039 --> 00:57:44.639
would pick Field of Fire, but for somebody that had watched a lot

1468
00:57:44.639 --> 00:57:47.820
of Star Trek, but I hadn't watched DS 9, I'd say, you want some

1469
00:57:47.820 --> 00:57:48.059
fun?

1470
00:57:48.119 --> 00:57:50.099
Watch this bullshit.

1471
00:57:50.159 --> 00:57:51.719
Yeah, I don't think it's terrible.

1472
00:57:51.780 --> 00:57:53.519
I don't, you know, like I enjoyed it.

1473
00:57:53.579 --> 00:57:55.320
I didn't feel like I'd wasted my time.

1474
00:57:55.380 --> 00:57:57.480
You know, it's not a bombshell episode.

1475
00:57:57.539 --> 00:57:59.280
It's not super memorable but it was pretty fun.

1476
00:57:59.340 --> 00:58:03.420
And I just think that one, the characters are in the place where

1477
00:58:03.420 --> 00:58:05.400
you can get all those little moments.

1478
00:58:05.460 --> 00:58:07.920
Like I said, with times orphan, everyone sort of gets a moment

1479
00:58:07.920 --> 00:58:11.039
that reflects their character, but also their job, which you

1480
00:58:11.039 --> 00:58:11.280
like.

1481
00:58:11.340 --> 00:58:15.900
Um, and that Robert Hurrett Wolf is just a dab hand at TV now.

1482
00:58:15.960 --> 00:58:19.500
He just doesn't make that connection at the end. to why it's the

1483
00:58:19.500 --> 00:58:20.219
Vulcan.

1484
00:58:20.280 --> 00:58:23.099
And then the only way you can point the finger at the correct

1485
00:58:23.099 --> 00:58:26.639
Vulcan is if he walks into the same space, yeah, perfectly

1486
00:58:26.639 --> 00:58:27.239
investigated.

1487
00:58:27.300 --> 00:58:28.199
Because like, it's okay.

1488
00:58:28.260 --> 00:58:30.539
It's kind of weird 42 minutes.

1489
00:58:31.380 --> 00:58:33.960
We've had a lift, I guess, right?

1490
00:58:34.019 --> 00:58:35.099
We don't need another set.

1491
00:58:35.159 --> 00:58:36.599
Let's put both in the lift.

1492
00:58:36.719 --> 00:58:39.480
But make sure he stands over there because Durand's in the

1493
00:58:39.480 --> 00:58:39.659
middle.

1494
00:58:39.780 --> 00:58:42.000
That's right But it's really fun.

1495
00:58:42.119 --> 00:58:44.219
Yeah. like we were kind of angry.

1496
00:58:44.280 --> 00:58:47.280
We were laughing a lot when we watched Justice, but it was so

1497
00:58:47.280 --> 00:58:47.880
inept.

1498
00:58:47.880 --> 00:58:51.000
In many ways, as a piece of salad, that isn't in there.

1499
00:58:51.059 --> 00:58:54.179
It's somebody who understands how TV works.

1500
00:58:54.239 --> 00:58:58.980
So I suppose in how many seasons, 10 seasons, since justice, we've

1501
00:58:58.980 --> 00:59:00.659
learned how to make telly.

1502
00:59:00.719 --> 00:59:01.500
I think they had.

1503
00:59:07.559 --> 00:59:11.219
All right, it's the end of the episode, and it's time for us to

1504
00:59:11.219 --> 00:59:12.960
work out where we're going next.

1505
00:59:13.019 --> 00:59:14.880
This was your choice naturally.

1506
00:59:14.940 --> 00:59:16.619
You mean naturally.

1507
00:59:16.739 --> 00:59:18.300
Well, you always choose...

1508
00:59:18.300 --> 00:59:22.260
It was my dream. have you in my presence watching my favourite

1509
00:59:22.260 --> 00:59:26.519
television show. do more of that before the weekends. live now

1510
00:59:26.519 --> 00:59:26.760
actually.

1511
00:59:26.820 --> 00:59:28.860
It's all downhill from here.

1512
00:59:28.920 --> 00:59:30.420
Yeah, Nathan and DS9.

1513
00:59:30.480 --> 00:59:31.800
At least I did it.

1514
00:59:31.800 --> 00:59:32.519
Together at last.

1515
00:59:33.239 --> 00:59:39.059
So since we last recorded, and since we last did a Strange New

1516
00:59:39.059 --> 00:59:43.500
Worlds episode, a number of Strange New Worlds episodes have been

1517
00:59:43.500 --> 00:59:46.260
broadcast, which means...

1518
00:59:46.260 --> 00:59:47.159
I haven't seen any of them.

1519
00:59:47.280 --> 00:59:50.940
I've seen all of them, but that means that actually Stranger

1520
00:59:50.940 --> 00:59:54.480
Worlds is now our least covered series.

1521
00:59:54.539 --> 00:59:56.340
What a wonderful rest.

1522
00:59:56.400 --> 00:59:59.340
I mean, not that we haven't watched enough, but the fact that we

1523
00:59:59.340 --> 01:00:01.619
must choose...

1524
01:00:01.679 --> 01:00:02.159
That's right.

1525
01:00:02.219 --> 01:00:05.039
For a long time, we were actually a bit ahead because we, you know

1526
01:00:05.039 --> 01:00:08.880
we watched the 1st episode and it was hard to avoid because it's

1527
01:00:08.880 --> 01:00:09.179
so good.

1528
01:00:09.239 --> 01:00:10.619
We've overdone it a little bit.

1529
01:00:10.679 --> 01:00:14.699
But now we're behind. and so I am hang on over here.

1530
01:00:14.760 --> 01:00:17.639
Statistically, does that kick it somewhere in the middle again?

1531
01:00:17.699 --> 01:00:18.179
Probably.

1532
01:00:18.239 --> 01:00:20.099
That's annoying Yeah, well, that's all right.

1533
01:00:20.159 --> 01:00:20.880
There'll be more next year.

1534
01:00:20.940 --> 01:00:23.760
We did watch Strange New Worlds together last time, didn't we?

1535
01:00:23.820 --> 01:00:27.239
We watched that wonderful Gorn episode where...

1536
01:00:27.300 --> 01:00:29.099
The blue man got torn up.

1537
01:00:29.159 --> 01:00:29.880
That's right.

1538
01:00:29.880 --> 01:00:32.760
Did we watch the one with Christina Chong as well as the

1539
01:00:32.760 --> 01:00:33.000
princess?

1540
01:00:33.059 --> 01:00:34.380
Yes, I think we probably did.

1541
01:00:34.500 --> 01:00:36.599
What a day that was.

1542
01:00:36.659 --> 01:00:38.579
Well, we have done that actually on the show.

1543
01:00:38.639 --> 01:00:42.179
You know, you people may have like huge ambitions in life, all

1544
01:00:42.179 --> 01:00:42.360
right?

1545
01:00:42.420 --> 01:00:44.699
We've only got the ambitions to watch Star Trek together.

1546
01:00:44.760 --> 01:00:45.300
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1547
01:00:45.360 --> 01:00:46.619
We're very simple people, I think.

1548
01:00:46.739 --> 01:00:48.179
Easily, please.

1549
01:00:48.239 --> 01:00:50.219
Well, let's do it again then.

1550
01:00:50.280 --> 01:00:51.300
All right, okay.

1551
01:00:51.360 --> 01:00:52.800
So I'm going to press the button.

1552
01:00:53.039 --> 01:00:59.699
Your random Star Trek Strange New Worlds episode is hegemony, which

1553
01:00:59.699 --> 01:01:05.099
is the season two, episode 10 cliffhanger, and that would entail

1554
01:01:05.099 --> 01:01:09.420
also watching hegemini part two, which is season three, episode

1555
01:01:09.420 --> 01:01:09.840
one.

1556
01:01:09.900 --> 01:01:12.119
I mean, we've got the time.

1557
01:01:12.360 --> 01:01:18.840
It is literally Strange New World's answer to best of both

1558
01:01:18.840 --> 01:01:19.199
worlds.

1559
01:01:19.260 --> 01:01:21.599
Oh, let's do it. really good.

1560
01:01:21.659 --> 01:01:22.980
Best do it.

1561
01:01:23.039 --> 01:01:25.739
I think we should, and we haven't done a 2 part for ages.

1562
01:01:25.860 --> 01:01:26.760
No, that's true.

1563
01:01:26.820 --> 01:01:28.139
And there's a lot of them.

1564
01:01:28.199 --> 01:01:32.579
Yeah, but there aren't that many two-parters in Stranger Worlds.

1565
01:01:32.639 --> 01:01:33.900
In fact, I think this is the only one.

1566
01:01:33.960 --> 01:01:37.800
But of behind the scenes information here, but normally, I have to

1567
01:01:37.800 --> 01:01:39.360
dash off to work after we record.

1568
01:01:39.480 --> 01:01:41.039
So doing a two-part is tricky.

1569
01:01:41.099 --> 01:01:43.500
It means Nathan's got to get on the call very early.

1570
01:01:43.559 --> 01:01:44.400
Yeah, yeah.

1571
01:01:44.460 --> 01:01:46.440
But he's here for a week.

1572
01:01:46.500 --> 01:01:50.760
So we've got no, we can just do it. watch and record a 2 par. would

1573
01:01:50.760 --> 01:01:51.000
be great.

1574
01:01:51.119 --> 01:01:54.300
Oh, that, although that will take it right up the top again of

1575
01:01:54.300 --> 01:01:55.500
strangely well.

1576
01:01:55.559 --> 01:01:56.760
Yes, yeah, that'll be all right.

1577
01:01:56.820 --> 01:01:58.019
That'll be okay.

1578
01:01:58.079 --> 01:01:59.460
Let's do a cliffhanger.

1579
01:01:59.519 --> 01:02:00.420
Yep, wonderful.

1580
01:02:00.480 --> 01:02:01.199
Let's do it.

1581
01:02:01.260 --> 01:02:01.860
Brilliant.

1582
01:02:10.980 --> 01:02:14.219
You've been listening to entitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford

1583
01:02:14.219 --> 01:02:18.360
and Nathan Bottomley, where online at untitled Star Trek Project

1584
01:02:17.460 --> 01:02:20.940
com, where you can find subscription links and links to our social

1585
01:02:20.940 --> 01:02:21.719
media accounts.

1586
01:02:21.780 --> 01:02:25.559
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Ciceran, and the theme was

1587
01:02:25.559 --> 01:02:27.300
composed by Cameron Lamb.

1588
01:02:27.360 --> 01:02:31.860
This episode was recorded on the 23rd of September 2025 and

1589
01:02:31.860 --> 01:02:33.960
released on the 26th of September.

1590
01:02:34.019 --> 01:02:38.159
We'll see you next time for Star Trek, Strange New Worlds, hegemony

1591
01:02:38.159 --> 01:02:39.719
and Germany part two.

1592
01:02:53.519 --> 01:02:55.139
A great choice.

1593
01:02:55.199 --> 01:02:56.219
Yeah, yeah, isn't it?

1594
01:02:56.280 --> 01:02:59.579
That's just, so, this is after South Space Rhapsody, the next

1595
01:02:59.579 --> 01:02:59.760
one.

1596
01:02:59.820 --> 01:03:01.139
Uh, yeah.

1597
01:03:01.199 --> 01:03:02.039
Yeah.

1598
01:03:02.099 --> 01:03:04.440
Oh, and there's all sorts of funny productions.

1599
01:03:04.500 --> 01:03:07.800
Fat woman, that lovely woman from private conversation, are they?

1600
01:03:07.920 --> 01:03:09.119
I won't be happy.

1601
01:03:09.179 --> 01:03:11.340
No, but she is in peril.

1602
01:03:11.400 --> 01:03:12.360
Oh, that's right.

1603
01:03:12.420 --> 01:03:14.880
Well, because they said in subspace for it, Rhapsody that they

1604
01:03:14.880 --> 01:03:19.860
don't get to have that, you know, they agree.

1605
01:03:19.920 --> 01:03:20.699
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1606
01:03:20.760 --> 01:03:23.280
No, but they were going to compromise and it wasn't going to be a

1607
01:03:23.280 --> 01:03:26.280
tedious holiday that she wants, but it wasn't going to be camping

1608
01:03:26.280 --> 01:03:26.639
either.

1609
01:03:27.719 --> 01:03:29.639
Oh, with her.

1610
01:03:29.760 --> 01:03:36.059
But she, she's a captain of the Cayuga and the Cayuga is attacked

1611
01:03:36.059 --> 01:03:39.119
in, in, in Hetchmony.

1612
01:03:39.179 --> 01:03:42.119
And so she's in that episode.

1613
01:03:42.239 --> 01:03:46.320
Yeah, Hedchmidt, because it's called the Gorn Hedgeman Eva area.

1614
01:03:46.380 --> 01:03:48.300
So it's a gore in it.

1615
01:03:48.300 --> 01:03:49.980
Oh, it's really good.

1616
01:03:50.039 --> 01:03:51.780
It's a lot happens.

1617
01:03:51.840 --> 01:03:52.860
A lot happens.

1618
01:03:52.920 --> 01:03:55.619
I'm just currently remembering all that.

1619
01:03:55.619 --> 01:03:58.440
Every time you come in, we end up watching Gordon's tearing

1620
01:03:58.440 --> 01:03:59.159
people.

1621
01:03:59.159 --> 01:04:01.920
Next time you come, we'll have to watch Arena.

1622
01:04:03.360 --> 01:04:05.340
The rubber gone.

1623
01:04:06.599 --> 01:04:08.699
Yeah, yeah, that was great.

1624
01:04:08.699 --> 01:04:11.579
I enjoyed it for a while, so that's probably it.

1625
01:04:11.699 --> 01:04:13.079
Yeah.

1626
01:04:13.079 --> 01:04:15.900
All those shitty, great episodes to start.

1627
01:04:15.960 --> 01:04:17.340
That's fun, though.

1628
01:04:17.340 --> 01:04:17.760
That was fun.

1629
01:04:17.820 --> 01:04:21.360
It is funny and different to sitting, like looking at each other

1630
01:04:21.360 --> 01:04:22.079
while...

1631
01:04:22.079 --> 01:04:23.940
Oh, no, I love it.

1632
01:04:24.000 --> 01:04:25.320
I love him.

1633
01:04:25.380 --> 01:04:27.599
Okay, I'm gonna make us a sandwich.

1634
01:04:27.659 --> 01:04:27.960
Okay.