Hey, Joe. Hi.
You're looking well.
I am?
Oh, yes, oh, yeah.
Enjoying your stay in England?
I am.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So we are here together recording untitled Star Trek project in
person for the 2nd time.
Finally.
We're not doing a franchise defining episode like justice.
Although it may be as trashing.
No, I think this is, I think this is better than justice, but
perhaps not quite as memorable.
So it's Steve Space 9, Series 7, episode 13, which is called Field
of Fire.
It's by our old friend Robert Hewitt Wolf.
Just his one time back on the show.
It's his one time back on the show and it dates, I think, from the
10th of February, 1999.
Oh, the Hetty days.
1999.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. exciting.
So this is an every episode and it's also kind of a crime
procedural.
It's a little bit fill-rish, I think.
Oh, it's completely fillyrish.
I mean, we've had a few discussions about this, about how if the
season was 10 episodes long, I mean, I don't think Filter Fire
would be the 1st to go, because there's a couple weeks, Evan, you
know, the one where... yeah definitely.
Oh, actually, all the Ezra episodes will go, and obviously the one
where Bashir falls in love with his patient.
That one will go.
We keep, obviously, baseball and the highest.
Well, naturally, you know, and just have all of the war stuff
going on around that.
But as a filler episode, I said to you, if you're going to do
something like this, make it a bit quirky, have something to say
about the character.
And I think it's halfway to getting there. and just make it an
enjoyable experience and I did really enjoy watching.
I think it's really fun.
I think the mystery thing is just absolute nonsense and makes no
sense.
There's a few leaps, all right?
Yeah, you don't have to be Poiro to figure this one out.
No, and there's also kind of the problem where the big clue is so
incredibly obvious that it just makes Ezri look stupid.
Nathan says about 12 minutes into the episode.
It's the photos, isn't it?
I was like, damn, let's figure it out already. gave it away.
The whopping close-ups on them.
It's because I've watched television before, which is certainly
not what Azri has done.
I'm watching television, you know, is not something that makes a
good television critic.
No, but it does make an excellent detective.
I need anything investigating while you're here.
Yeah, where did that monk go?
Yeah, that's another.
I will call on you.
As long as you have a fucking massive gun in your hands at the end
of the mystery.
So I think that we've said that we like Ezri, that um, I like, you
know, I think I'm kind of sorry that Terry leaves because she's
great and it would have been great to see her make it all the way
through to the end, but Ezri does shake things up a little bit and
gives them some new things to do and she is sweet.
Like Nicole is so adorable.
And so giving her a bit of steel and giving her the big gun.
Like, that's actually, because because this isn't going to go
anywhere, because we've only got half a season left.
The consequences of this episode never really play out.
I think Duran gets mentioned again in some kind of exposition coma
or something at some point that, like as we mentioned, Yeah.
No, in the exposition comas, when she mentions, she's in love with
Bashir.
A wharf goes, what?
I love you, Julia.
So we had Duran Dax is revealed in equilibrium.
Yeah, early season three.
Ely season three. much weaker episode than this, I think.
Well, it's not as fun.
Okay.
It's very, um, we go off to trill and look at the mud pools.
Yeah, yeah.
We've been to the mud pools before, obviously, in Discovery on
entitled Star Trek Project.
It was much more impressive.
Yeah, well, yeah.
It was stockade 72, and a load of mud.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's not...
And it was, Duran was very hot in that episode.
You know, it was a young sort of Asian guy, so he's changed
nationality as well between now and then.
There's not a very good photo of him. memory alpha, so I didn't
get a real sort of sense of him.
She sort of goes into the mud at the end and sort of gives him a
hug. accepts his memories into her, you know?
Because the deal is that it's Tarius is in a shuttle accident.
The Simian is transferred to Duran, and then 6 months later it's
transferred to Curzon, and Curzon has no memory of like he's been
in a coma or something.
And all of a sudden, Chad says, behaving in a particularly
aggressive way towards everyone.
At one point she threatens Kira.
What the hell is going on here?
So those memories are emerging, but she kind of suppresses them or
something.
Like, then he comes back in facets played by Avery Brooks
wonderfully.
Oh, great choice.
It's during that period where they haven't let Avery grow his
beard.
So they've given him a terribly fake load of stubble rounds.
Oh, really?
But he's doing his very hello, Jania.
You always denied me, but I was always there.
And so we sort of skip from that to, I think his name's Lee
McCluskey in this.
And, I mean, theatrical, don't cover it.
It really does choose some of these. like, now you said you didn't
go far enough.
I'm not sure without it, turning into a comedy, you could go much
further.
I think, like, again, I read Memory Alpha beforehand, and they
said that the original actors of Play Duran wasn't available
because, I mean, they would tend to just try and not recast.
I think they made a good call here though.
Yeah, they said that he looks a bit too ordinary and I think
that's because he's got sort of standard white guy, American hair
you know, like he just looks like a very normal kind of bit part
actor.
So he's not weird or unsettling looking.
But he's doing the Hunnibal Lactor film with the eyes all the time
and he's right in her face, you know?
He is literally saying lions like, that's the killer.
Look in his eyes, you know?
I wouldn't say it's underplate.
No, no, it's it is pretty good.
But I guess the mystery is a little bit too dumb and doesn't quite
justify the, you know, the need for Ezri to think like the killer
because the killer's thinking like just a massive fucking idiot.
I love if they're going to do a Star Trek murder mystery.
So they invent this insane weapon that where you can look through
bulkheads into people's bedrooms and you can beam bullets into the
people's rooms and we do the procedural of them figuring all of
that out. in the 1st half.
So I think that part of the mystery is really good.
Yeah, and then the 2nd half is just, you know, will Ezri cross the
line and pick up that knife and stab that poor man to death, and
you know, the sequence at the end where they're looking at each
other with the garments.
It's amazing. it is really good.
And so this is directed by a guy who never directs again.
It's Tony Dow, who was recommended by Billy Mummy, apparently. to
the, you know, production team or something.
I think there's some atmosphere.
Yeah, yeah.
And certainly the technical thing of looking through the sites and
looking through the walls and stuff.
Like I thought that scene was just really well done.
I don't think it ever gets to be like tense or anything like
that.
Nathan set a very good point of like, why don't we use these
weapons all the time.
They'd be very useful in a war, you know?
Yeah, yeah.
In fact, one of the things that's fun is that, and we'll get there
is that none of them really know very much about projectile
weapons.
That's hilarious.
Yeah, which I think is good.
What about the powder bones?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Hella powder burns.
Yeah, Julian doesn't know what that is, which I think is really
great.
So yeah, like all of that stuff is sort of quite good.
You know, we'll talk about who the killer is and stuff as we go
along, but I don't think any of that really works, and I don't
think it properly justifies it.
But there's a sense in which at the end, Ezri does, like, she
doesn't kind of put Duran back in his box.
He's now...
Yeah, he's useful.
Yeah, yeah.
And so that would have been interesting to give her a little bit
of steel sort of thing, but obviously it doesn't really go
anywhere.
They do 3 episodes this season.
Not Prodigal Daughter, because that is the most dreariest episode
of Dynasty that you've ever seen their entire life.
But they do After Image, where they pair with Garak.
He's vile to her, right?
And she sort of overcomes that and toughens up a bit.
Then they do see Gervais R 558 where she gets close to Bill Mummy
and she's literally there in a war situation and she taps us up a
bit and then they give her this.
Then in the 2nd half of the year, she is sort of fully actualised
and she goes off, like she goes off in a shuttle to rescue Wharf
you know, she fucks Wharf. like, what the hell?
actually off the side and I love Julian saw it.
She gives that amazing speech about the Klingons and tagging into
the wind.
I think with a year and with so much other stuff going on, they
really give her a journey.
Right, okay.
Which is kind of, we've discussed this before.
DSign is unusual in 90s drag.
But to do it in such a condensed period of time, to the point
where she feels integrated and covers off like Banner being Better
Bank.
It like she's always been there.
Even though she's been around for like 12 episodes.
And I think Nicole has something to do with that.
She just comes in and she's so sweet and so likeable.
I can't imagine anyone watching her and just going, oh, I really
hate that character.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
She's so nice I mean, I can understand people being disappointed
that Terry didn't, you know, do the entire Iran.
I like the different energy, though.
But I do too, yeah.
And I like the fact that it force them to improvise.
Exactly.
Exactly, didn't we?
Like it's like, you know, they wouldn't choose to bring in a new
character in the last season, but that kind of makes this unique.
Yeah, well, that's the thing that I like about television.
I think I've said this before, that it's not, you know, like even
J.
Michael Strazinski, who created a science fiction program that I
can't remember the name of.
He had his...
I haven't heard of it.
But he had his plan and it didn't work out, you know, someone left
the studio thought it was only going to go to series 4 and then it
went to series 5.
He didn't get to do what he wanted to do because that's what
television's like. you know, like unless it's a very short season
or something like that.
The real world intervenes and people have to change their plans
and that's one of the things that I like about TV.
But famously, Babylon 5's last season, season 5 is the weakest, and
pretty much everyone acknowledges that, because the arc, yeah, and
he's had to improvise a new arc, which he'd never thought of, was
never part of his plan.
Plus, he'd written out Claudia Christian. one of his most popular
characters.
So he's having to bring in lesser characters that no one really
got on with.
Whereas here they haven't finished that arc.
So they get to do the story that they want to tell right up to the
end, just with this new character, sort of stir in the nest a
bit.
It's interesting.
Yeah, I agree.
I agree.
But the result is, you know, if we are going to explore her, then
we're going to do it in fill a bump like this.
I mean, I'm glad we didn't get prodigal to also.
That is...
Ezri, it wasn't my fault.
I didn't do this to our son, did I?
Yeah, wait till we get there.
Look, I'm kind of looking forward to that because I do remember it
vaguely and I know that it's terrible and that's kind of fun.
But, like, this is disposable, I think, in a way, but it's not
terrible and I certainly enjoyed myself.
We've watched a lot worse than this.
I think, like you said, technically, it's competent.
I think it's got a nice musical score.
There's somebody else doing the music for this and so it does have
a different feel to it than what's around it.
I just love being with these people.
Yeah, yeah.
Should we go and be with these people?
I think we should.
All right.
So you've got your finger on the space bar or the mouse or
something.
Some of our unusual way to do this, isn't it?
All right, but I will count us in because I know even though we're
here in the same place watching the same screen, the viewer at
home will need to...
Desperate to get her asray with that.
Exactly, right.
So here goes 5, 4, 3, 2, one, and we're off.
There we go.
This, I thought, was so forced. like the, you know, the, so we're
in Quark's Bar.
We have this gorgeous guy, little Hector Ilario, who's a
lieutenant used to see him, all right?
No.
And despite his name, the actor is actually of Southeast Asian
background. beautiful though?
He is beautiful.
Thai, I think, possibly.
The last thing I'd want to do to him, you know, has put a bullet
in his chest.
I love her in blood.
It's really sweet, actually.
He's kind of a drawer.
He's really young.
He says he's 22.
Um, but Julian's toasting him in this way that is just super
forced.
It's giving me horrible kind of, you know, Wharf and Deanna's
reception at the beginning of Nemesis vine.
But also, here's what's just happened today. why we're all
celebrating.
What I did love about this and gave us great laughter on the sofa
was him going, you know, please, can I join you fellas in the
holodeck?
She and O'Brien are like, no, you know, we don't have anyone else
in the holiday.
Yeah, that's right.
We like to fucking holiday.
And so...
I mean, you could watch.
I think O'Brien actually gives him a look and goes, oh, maybe.
He is pretty.
I'm kind of spent with you again now, you know.
Hector, come on.
Julian, you can watch.
It's, yeah.
I mean, that, again, that's actually a cute character thing and it
is that thing that they do.
It's not quite queer baiting, but it is that sort of this
relationship is kind of weird and special and stuff.
They do acknowledge it later this season.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, she just says he loves him.
I'll never, ever forget that scene. my problem. like, well, I love
my wife, all right?
I don't mind fucking you, Bob.
I love you, all right?
Oh, as we go, say, I know where I'm not wanting in the whole
suite.
Goes to Kira.
You ever been with them?
No, never. don't want to see that.
And now he's drunk.
We discover that, that, that Ezri takes him home at about 3 in the
morning, I think.
I mean, they look quite fresh for 3 in the morning.
Yeah, he doesn't.
He's so cute.
And it is the sort of character that you could see earlier a DS9's
rum than running with.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I thought of it earlier.
Yeah, you know, lightly to, like, he is very much a red shirt
though, isn't he?
Oh, completely.
But if you're going to have a red shirt.
Make them hot.
Yeah, yeah.
And sweet.
Well, I mean, it's doing the thing which you wouldn't do in like
toss.
Yeah, no, no.
She just lights up the screen.
Yeah, doesn't she?
I like what he says here.
He goes, you know what, Lieutenant?
You're very beautiful.
He goes, in your shoes, you're very drunk.
But in the morning, I'll be sober, but you'll still be beautiful.
You do know that it's like it's a ruined quote from Winston
Churchill.
A female member said to him, you're drunk and he said, you're, well
you're ugly.
No.
Well, this is the better version.
This is the more compliment.
Yeah, I'll be sober tomorrow and you'll still be ugly.
Look at her as well.
She got beautiful.
I love her elfin haircut as well.
Yeah, yeah.
She is just adorable.
She is.
So we really, really playing up the photo.
He's looking at the photo of him and his little mates from the
academy.
Excuse me, I was looking at photographs just this morning, you
know?
It's not unusual.
And he's so good.
Sometimes, you know, when I, when you're not been here for 2 years
I look at the last time you was here, logging really going, oh, one
day we'll watch Star Trek on the sofa together again.
Feel the fire.
Oh, I've just remembered, actually.
We still haven't danced away till against Price Fame Chew.
You're on a promise.
Oh, these bloody beds.
I know.
Were they better than the Star Trek, the Next Generation beds
which seem to be covered in Baco foil and clingfield?
Oh, yeah, they are.
But look at our cushion.
I couldn't sleep with that little triangular thing.
It's like a pancake.
It's space memory.
I wanted Ezra to be sort of more Troy in this thing.
You know, when Troy woke up and was like, oh, I can't remember
miss the wormhole, you know?
Right, old bitch.
But it's sort of a nicer person.
But there's all sorts of commotion going out in the corridor now.
What's happening?
That's that's near Hector's quarters.
Yeah, yeah.
It is a little bit disappointing, but I do think that like giving
like making him likeable so that we. care, which also motivates
Ezri to investigate as well.
Why is he says he instead of Odo investigating?
I did like as well the other 2 victims.
There was enough detail there for me to be convinced, even though
we never see those people, and one of them supposedly have been on
it's 9 for 5 years or something.
It's like sort of felt like they had relationships with those
people, even though we've never met them.
Robert Hewitt Wolf has written a lot of TV at this point. gets the
beats that you have to get.
Yeah.
It appears.
Somebody shot him.
But there's quite a lot of blood.
Because it's a, it's like, it's actually quite, I mean, that's
pretty visceral blood, but later on when the blood's on her hands
it does look like ketchup, Hartley's finest.
It's very delicious.
Make some toast while you're in.
Terrible, actually.
Awful.
Oh, sorry, now we're going to stake me go around big space 9
together.
Keep your distance from the pilons.
Every time I see that runabout coming towards the screen there.
I just think of that line in, no, an episode we've already covered
by Inferno's Light, where they think the Dominion's about to
attack and Cisco goes, launch the runabouts, what the fuck are
they?
I mean, ships, for God's sakes.
So you'll be pleased to learn listeners that we haven't said
goodbye to art.
He's going to be back in a dream sequence quite soon.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And that's the point where I thought, oh, this is going to be a
bit camp because Odo leans in and goes, you know what, Lieutenant?
There's nothing more annoying than a corpse that won't stay dead.
And Redey, as you can imagine, is spot on.
Yeah, absolutely. doing the right ring.
But like, you and me.
We like Star Trek and we like procedurals and this is ticking all
the boxes of like, okay, we know what this is about.
We've had our pre titles.
There's a body there.
It's gonna be about investigating what happened.
And I do, I genuinely do think the 1st 20 minutes, the
investigation is very well done.
Like, all the stuff with the melon and then figuring out the gun.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and all of that.
I think I think where it fails.
Like they, I'm gonna just say it.
They made the murder a Vulcan for kind of surprise value.
Racist reason.
For racist reasons.
A Vulcan that can't handle people smiling.
Okay?
Yeah.
But what they don't do and what really needs to happen is that
there needs to be some kind of parallel between the murderer and
Juran or the murderer and Ezri.
Which they would do now, would they?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Like it would have to be because because what this is, is it's a
murder investigation, but it's also a character piece, which is
exactly what you kind of need to do in 90 Star Trek.
You're still doing that in...
Voyager wouldn't bother.
It would just be...
But I mean, you know, like we talk about pillar making sure that
stuff happens from series 3 of TNG.
I mean, I thought Avery was quite good here, you know, coming in
and going, well, chemical projectile weapons and I mean, he's done
his time or was it TJ Hooker?
Oh, okay.
He's done plenty of... so he knows how to play it.
But Renee is just wonderful when he's talking about Roman Chandler
novels.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
We knew that already, didn't we?
Well, we saw it in Imogen Sand.
Maybe it goes, read this book while we're in the blockade and this
will pass the time.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
What I really like is when Avery hears that he reads those novels
and he likes them.
Yeah, it's just like, ooh, that's a little character piece, the
thing that I remember, which I just thought was actually really
good.
You can still surprise me, I know, after 7 years.
Remember last year when you came in the office and we sung a song
together?
I like this too, like, because I don't think the explanation of
what powder burns are is for us.
It's not exposition for us because I think that, you know, Star
Trek sometimes has very low expectations of what its audience is
able to understand and will often explain things that are really
to lead us to the fact that the bullet was beamed into the room.
Well, I think that it's also there just to, you know, to, like as
as kind of period detail, you know, that, that, that we just use
phases and that, that, um, projectile weapons are so weird, that
Julian, who's a doctor, you know, and there's...
Yeah, there's never treated.
Yeah, exactly right.
Yeah.
I mean, I love as well.
And I think all the 90s tracks get this right at one point or
another, is that everyone's doing what they're an expert in
everyone's to technology.
Edry is the psychology, Cisco sort of looking at this as an
overview, tell me about the people, like my crew, Bashir, oh, he
brings in the, obviously, the metaphor of the week.
David Crockick's weapon.
Yeah, you know, how you get obsessed with them and give them
female names. which you reliably tell me is true in other shows as
well.
Well, in Jane's character in Firefly has a big gun called Vera.
Vera.
Probably funny.
No.
You probably passed a beer or an Eastbourne, you know?
Well, as an Australian, I'm thinking of vinegar tits in prisoner.
So Ezra only missed being shot by 10 minutes.
Yeah, yeah.
I thought she left when she did. should have stayed and fucked him
you know?
No, because I actually thought that that was actually quite good
because he's sort of let says, you know, you could stay or
whatever and he said, she says you're drunk and like it's 1999 and
you know, all that talk about consent.
I don't know how advanced it is, but she couldn't fuck him because
he's drunk.
Do you know what I mean?
Oh, great, definitely.
Bullet go for 2 people, yeah.
He sees the picture through the lens and then he sees the
fucking...
You're not having fun on my watch.
Well, that's right, wasn't he?
Why isn't he killing people who have sex?
Yeah, well, we do go through the cores of 2 people that are having
a jolly time sort of laughing in the background.
Oh, look at this line.
He goes, no, you mustn't blame yourself for a Lario's death.
I don't...
I just took him home because he was drunk.
You prick.
You must have played yourself.
What do you mean?
What are you saying?
I got on the counsellor and not you.
That's what you'd be saying in the sessions.
Oh, but now this introduces the idea of Jerome.
I know what it feels like to kill somebody in cold blood.
Yeah, but does he go Duran?
Does he say...
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. yeah So I get it is obeying
all the rules, isn't it?
setting up the idea of Duran before...
Yes, before we see it in the mob.
No, well, that's where that's where she gets the idea to call upon
Duran.
And so originally the plan had been to create a hologram of
Juran.
Right.
Um, and then they just decide, no, let's do some kind of mystical
hologram, that would trill.
We had a lot of fun, didn't we, watching him in the background of
scenes vanishing in the period. and people reacting to the fact
that she was talking to nobody. right.
But I also think the mirror thing, just the thing of seeing him
his, him as her reflection in the mirror and stuff is good.
Oh, don't I?
It's simple.
Yeah, wow.
It often is in 90s.
No, that's good though.
Get your arms off Herbosher.
Right.
Okay, they'll be snorkelling in the turbo lid by the end.
I mean, he's pretty, yeah, yeah.
I'll say put your hands on me.
Oh, are you ready for this?
going to go into the dream sequence now.
Oh yes.
Can you explain it to me?
Because the frame rate changes.
So it's all very juddery and then, you know, nightmarish.
Well, that's good.
I think that's, you know, and this is a guy who hasn't done it
before.
It is a thing that Star Trek does, isn't it?
to occasionally.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Well, so it starts off at the normal frame, right?
And then all of a sudden it cuts in a minute, so the promenade and
that's where she's moving in.
But I think this is already slightly dreamlike.
Isn't it that whip, that pan across to the other thing is odd
yeah?
looking scary.
You tell me, counsellor.
You're dead.
He's so cheesy.
Oh, he's still so pretty though.
Oh, here goes, right.
I'm sorry, Lieutenant.
Nothing more annoying than a cops with a mind of its own.
The makeup looks so shit close.
We're in a dark room.
Oh, there's the blood.
Yeah, you're right.
It is jam.
Or maybe sure, aren't you?
Maybe it's chilli sauce.
I don't like seeing his corpse again.
Yeah.
But here we go.
So we're doing the, we're just using the standing sets, but she's
gone from the corridor to inside the quarters and next we go to
the Promodores.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. fucking bridge again.
She's tossed off that bridge, isn't she?
You know, where that lady committed suicide. where Keiko threw
herself off when she was possessed.
It's a liability in that bridge.
Someone else has pushed someone else. that bridge.
No loads of people.
Vedic Porter in a session.
Do you remember he pushed the person off the bridge?
Oh, yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Because of Mr. Jaro.
That's right.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right.
Watch this.
Look at Gerard at the piano.
He's practically orgasming over the piano.
So he's a musician.
Yeah, that was established in the 1st one, yeah.
So she kept hearing the sort of haunting music in the 1st one.
Oh, okay.
Which is why.
But you even you said when this, you went, wow, that's piano.
We're going to hit piano very often.
Yeah.
Well, so this music guy who I don't know, memory alpha doesn't
properly credit the people who do the music of the episode, I
think, because it's such wallpaper, perhaps, but this is a guy who
what they're trying out or something.
Yeah, yeah.
Well, he never does another trek.
No, maybe they weren't happy, but I think it's, especially at the
climax where he really goes mad with a load of bloody bongos and
things as they're pointing the guns at each other, but that
probably Berman watched it and went, oh, spit much.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I like it when it's bring it down a bit.
Yeah, yeah.
It's all a bit dynamic.
Yeah, you see, but you see what I mean by like his terrible white
guy American hair?
I do, but I also think every single guest actor in 90s Shrek looks
like that.
I don't think he's any different from anyone else.
But, you know, he's no Brad Dureff.
Do you know what I mean?
That's true.
Well, who is?
Yeah, well, that's right.
Yeah, there we go.
That's a great cut, though.
And there's like an ear piercing scream.
As you see, you are in slow motion.
Yeah, and then she's in the dark room and she suddenly sits up
into shot, which is pretty great.
So one pleases doing sort of weirder things than just because if
it had just been the murder mystery, and I don't mind just the
murder mystery, but it wouldn't be as fun.
No.
Yeah.
Well, I think that it's the idea that we give it a very Star
Trekie character, high concept character thing.
Do you know what I mean?
It's not just her character as, as, you know, Asri, but it's a
proper trill stuff we're doing.
And we've done 6 years of true episodes by this point.
So we know the drill with the past lives and we know they can be
actualised.
We've done facets.
We've done rejoined with old relationships.
So you can just have fun with it now.
And I don't think you need to go into too much depth to explain it
or we've done all that.
It's what I always say about this one.
They did so much legwork in one to three.
They're 4 to 7.
They just got to have fun.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. because they can just build on stuff
they've already established.
I did ask you last night.
Um, do you imagine Michael Westmore was available for the scene
where Esley Rope out there and all of her dots were.
Well, we're going right down her boot.
Yeah, to write a night dress.
Yeah, no, he volunteered for sure.
So do you know what?
You have the day off tonight.
I'll do it.
I'll get up at four.
I mean, they do it to Chad Theo about 4 times, you know.
I think he started going, can you write that in?
She's so good.
You know her dots go all night?
You don't have to dress her.
She's very bressy.
Oh, now this I did like because normally these scenes are so pony
tube while talking about an orchid or something, maybe some
dreadful metaphor.
Whereas we know that they go to the holiday and play Davy
Crockett.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So it leans into their characters as well, which I quite like.
But then he gets the idea for the gun here and he's like, okay.
That's how the bullet got into the room.
Yes, I was wondering what this scene was doing.
We was talking and I think you missed some of the pertinent points
where he says about David Crockett, he had a series of pans and
the bullet ricocheted off the pans.
So he started here.
You could never make that shot, but that's how the bullet got all
the way over there and murdered somebody.
And then O'Brien's going, picking.
Yeah, it's this one.
Where he put, he's supposed to have put the target up against the
tree.
Yes, I did miss that last night, actually.
But, you know, it joins the dots.
And that's what they have to do in this photo, right?
join the dots to get us to the weapon and then we can just have
injury with the weapon.
I don't need anything more than that, really.
Yeah, I mean, in a sense, this is sort of technical stuff that's
probably best given to these two, but it does draw, you know
generally speaking, it should be Ezri investigating this movie on
her own.
I don't mind everyone sort of chipping in.
Yeah, and, and, oh, where's the melon scene?
So the, I think this is actually really well done.
And I, his line where he sees, he goes nice melon and she's going
oh, I, oh, I see. sorry.
Once the bullets exploded the melon.
He goes, are you all right?
Better than that, man.
But like, there's, like, I don't know what the hell it's standing
on, but it looks really great.
We don't sell melons that look like that.
No, it's a space melon.
Oh, okay.
So, Eurydion 3 millon.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.
You can sort of, um, uh, if you get a pestla morsa and ground down
the pips, it's an aphrodisia, you know, it's like an orgasm.
It's a frozen.
It's gross.
They just put a little explosion in that, haven't they?
Yeah, yeah, it's a prop, isn't it?
But there's some melon in it.
There's also garbage and water and stuff in it too.
Yeah, I don't fancy how you ready at melon.
They're very nice.
Yeah.
You fired through the water.
But now he makes a leap.
So I get the weapon. figured that out for what Julian said, but
now he's like, bar, and he's able to look through the walls.
Yeah, because he's got the IP. he, doesn't he?
So he's worked all of that stuff out.
And that was clearly the premise.
That's where we start from, a killer who can do that.
I wondered if it should have been, you know, that brilliant
eyepiece that they use on the gem'dar ships.
Yeah.
And they had it gone now.
Wow, you can actually use that.
It looks really good.
It certainly looks better than this stupid yellow thing.
Well, yeah.
That's mostly the problem.
Actually, I'm quite surprised the gun's as good as it is.
So it feels sort of hefty.
Yeah, I think that some, like, it's really relying on acting to
feel hefty and that doesn't always work.
So it's not quite as bad as the shitty balsa wood rifle.
Well, not hear it. okay?
I love those girls.
Voyager makes the right decision.
It's informed by how crap those guns are of having much bigger
phase arrives.
He's watched so many episodes of murder she wrote, and there's
been many scenes of Jessica Fletcher going, what is the connection
between these people?
So this, so what, um, Morn has copped off and he's bringing a
woman home from the thing.
And the only reason he's there is to motivate the pan across to
Asri and the replica, which I think is so great.
Why not do they?
It's really...
But they need to put in an extra for it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And make him up.
Exactly.
But I mean, Maurin's going to be in it, you know.
He's in the background somewhere.
See, I thought this was really nice.
It's sort of like a nothing scene because it's war 1st following
her.
Well, we're supposed to think it's the killer.
It's keeping an eye on her, but it uses that promenade set because
when it's dark, it's kind of creepy.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Look, the camera's moving kind of slowly.
If you could have any old sniper on that top level there.
I think that top level should just be shut down.
It's so much trouble.
Just yellow gaffer tape everywhere saying out of order.
But no, Italy, don't go up there.
Like, don't you think this is quite well directed?
I think it's, yeah, I think it's a really well directed piece.
I also think too, I mean, this is clearly a contractual thing to
give Michael something to do this week, right?
It's a nice scene.
I think so too, because it's Michael.
It's Michael, it's Worf's concern for Ezri because Ezri is Dark
which I think is really sweet. tries through that wolf sort of
bullshit.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
He's almost English where he goes, well, I would have done the
same thing for Dr. Pashir.
Chief O'Bride.
She goes, you were concerned about me.
Which is nice.
So it's a proper character thing.
It is a, and she's touched like I love how she says you were
worried about me and she's actually really pleased.
Because this is the relationship they really need to focus on it.
And they do.
In After Image, he literally says, you're not just there, I want
nothing to do with you.
And then at the end of it, he says, she's going to leave.
Yeah, she goes, no, no one can handle me being here and he's the
one that goes through and says, just stay, will deal with it.
You know, just stay, which is a great mature moment on his part.
Um, then there's moments like this where you can see he's
concerned, which then leads to, obviously, the wonderful sitcom
scenes of them having sex and him.
He's such a bitch, considering how many men you have slept with
but it's quite a statement.
He's like, he would have said that to Jed Zia as well.
Oh, shit.
But then the result by the end of the season is he's the one
that's sending the turbo lift down when in that soapy scene where
they're snogging, her and Bashin.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
And he goes, oh, fuck, quick. before they're seen, you know?
And it's a really nice relationship.
Again, across a year.
I think it's well done.
Yeah, yeah.
And they just, they get wharf now.
Like, I think it takes them four.
Oh, here we go.
No, that's the, no, that's the onion, the cream of mushroom soup
there.
So the cream of mushroom soup is better.
That's dwarf's idea, isn't it?
Like it's wharf.
You are, Dax, it's your way.
And so if it needs to.
Yeah, so wharf motivates her to do this as well.
So it's a good, that's a good scene.
So it really is from scene to scene, connecting the dots in the
right direction.
Yeah, yeah.
So, so I think what they do a good job of there.
Let's say this, they do a good job of setting up this thing where
her and Joanna investigate the murder, but they don't do a good
job of working out the actual kind of misery.
Which is a shame because if it had.
I mean, it would still be filler, but I think it would be more
sad.
But by that point, honestly, the drums were in.
She's pointing the camera. the gun straight at me in the climax.
I'm still having fun.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Should we call this the silence of the trails?
Yeah, that's a weird.
See, the 90s are, of course, the era of the consulting psychopath
and obviously...
Brad Dorff in Voyager.
We have one in Next Generation.
I don't think so.
It's all interesting, were they?
Well, I think probably they were a little bit behind, you know, it
sometimes takes Star Trek a little while to catch up with the sort
of stuff, but also, you know, the serial killer isn't really a
thing that you would have in Star Trek, the Next Generation.
We generally have a consulting psychopath about 5 times a year at
Garak.
So they're quite...
And occasionally, Dakart, in the early seasons.
That's true.
Well, that mud.
I mean, actually, don't you think a scream of mushroom soup?
Stuff you put on your face, you know, and you as a baby's possible
afterwards.
I just love, look at him.
He's like, there's nothing naturalistic about his performance at
all.
He sort of always, always toot in his head. that hair, though
bizarre looks.
Yeah.
Oh, well, I won't go for it.
It's really bad.
No doubt.
She now has a permanent scowl on her face for the rest of the day
yeah, because she hates it.
I mean, at one point she does go, right, I've had enough of you
goes back to the mob, doesn't she?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, she's going to get rid of you.
Unfortunately, her bowling is killed at just that moment.
Yeah, this distracts her.
Oh here we go.
So he's the big gun.
TR 116.
Yeah.
Take it down, Ezri.
You need to think the way the killer thinks.
So do you think that they, so there's that thing where she says I
have actually held a gun before?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
In AR 556, right?
She's got one of those balls award guns.
You can buy them, you know, I might get well.
You're still laughing now.
I know you think you'd need a little eyepiece as well.
Well, if it is, it won't last long, will it?
I mean I'd love that gun.
Look at that.
It's pretty good.
It might be considered an offensive weapon.
I like carrying that.
Yeah, yeah.
Stop placating me.
You want it my help now.
Now, do as I say.
But he's trying to be a bit seductive, but failing miserably.
Well, yes, it would be nice if he was a little bit more
seductive.
He's just looking a little bit kind of petulant, isn't he?
Oh, the weapons, if you're going to use it.
Yeah, and you see, none of it doesn't seem to that that's
necessary.
He's doing the arm behind the back though, isn't he?
They said, that's the one tick of Dax, you know.
Yes.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Oh, she looks so cool with it. don't care.
Because she's so cute, so to make you look like a killer as well.
Oh, here we go, through the wall.
It's really well done.
I think it's really, really well done.
And the little reticule thing that, you know, the targeting
reticule thing.
Oh, when it's on somebody.
Yeah, and it's...
And then it lights up.
But that's all established here so that that that scene of the 2
of them shooting at each other.
How did they do the did they just cut from zooming in through the
corridor to be in the next room?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
But they keep the camera moving at the same kind of rate.
And I think just looks really good.
I think it just, it works really well. and also the camera kind of
sort of stops for a second.
Going for the bulkheads.
Yeah, yeah, it's really good.
And it doesn't stop long enough for you to say our shit, whatever
they've conjured up is.
Yeah, no I think it's great.
So, but it's not clear why this is necessary. is part of the
problem.
Well, whoa, I think he's wants such to kill somebody.
No, no, but I mean, for it, for this to work, it has to be, um, it
has to be necessary to do this in order to solve the crime.
But I thought she was, yeah, he's literally listing out all the
things that the killer must be feeling whilst they're holding the
gum.
So it's supposed to lead us to their calm, methodical.
Yeah, we've got the a scientist or a doctor.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But is it necessary to hold the gun to do that?
She looks great.
Oh, look, he's close-up, slur.
Shoot him, Esree.
They'll just think of the killer again, weren't they?
She's got some blackheads there.
What's that?
She's got the bloody sight right in the middle of his forehead.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's great.
Like, it could have just been, you know, what if you...
Oh, actually, no, maybe not.
He goes, the gun isn't loaded.
I mean, I couldn't see a series out of this, but as a one-off.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I think it works really well Oh, here she is on the Promenade.
I don't think it's insane, but it is later when they've told the
actors just when you walk past her.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Once she having a row with herself.
Yeah, that's right.
Although Quork comes up.
K comes in.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Well, that's his contractually mandate.
You've been working too hard, Ezra.
You have an argument with yourself, you know?
I mean I frequently do that.
Is that unusual for you?
do that all the time.
I have a row with myself.
So Duran moves back in order to make it realistic that he's
standing, you know, to let him stand near enough to have that
conversation.
And this is a character beat in series 7 as well, because when he
realises as he's on the station, he makes a play for it because he
always loves Jazia.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Ezra has hot eyes.
And so we do the O'Brien versus...
Bashir versus Corp.
Yeah, you know, in the race.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And he's really sweet about it as well.
Yeah.
Well, I mean, he really likes stacks.
That's one of the great things I suppose I'll have to make myself
more endearing.
I'll do that in podcast, actually.
Oh, bit closer.
What is it that could link these people?
You know?
in memory, I've had a big close-up of the photo and poor old
Hector is very, very inexpertly Photoshopped.
Well, I mean, I'm pleased I don't linger on it too.
I really like it.
I know I've said this before, but I'm very aware of it in this
episode.
The lighting sources inside the room.
It's just so much more atmospheric than TNG. with its sort of
lounge lighting.
It does tend to be a bit darker than TNG.
Like there's less light.
I love the blue in the corridors.
I think that's...
Yeah, yeah, yeah, atmospheric.
But like we talked about ops before as well.
And there's just light and sources coming from everywhere.
The ceiling, the floor.
The sides.
Okay.
Oh, I did think last night now, we're sort of looking around the
quarters a bit too long now, you know, like, okay, come on, let's
find the link.
Yeah, yeah.
So now we're in Greta's quarters, there's the 2nd person to be
killed.
And so, she was married.
She's been here a long time, a monument to Matt.
Just an observation.
Actually, I mean, that's quite good though, isn't it a little
character thing?
So she's been taking her photos.
This is her wedding photo, but someone's left live photo.
So it moves when you kind of pick it up.
I like live version.
I don't a lot.
I don't know what you miss around the picture.
She was married.
Allario was single.
She was on his base 9 for years.
So what do they have in common?
Well, we just looked at the photo in his quarters.
Now we're looking for the greatest quarters.
Besides any of them, they have nothing in common.
And that's part of this thing, she's giving this big speech about
nothing at common. could just be random.
And you're kind of thinking, but what about the photos, Ezra?
And so she does end up being dumber than...
It could have been even worse.
It could have been like somebody who's like a photographer.
It was like, stokes photographs are so bad.
I'm going to kill you.
I'm gonna murder you.
Yeah, you're so poorly Photoshopped into that photo.
You know, I once went on a date with somebody, right?
was looking across the table at me a bit menacing like that.
Yeah, he was a doc, sorry, he was...
I think he wanted to dissect me or something.
Jeffrey Dahmer.
That wasn't euphemism.
You want to turn me into a killer?
I say, I love being flower.
So shit, man.
Oh, she goes, you want to turn me into a killer.
What do you say?
I stop?
Oh, this bit now.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
So here's the man who's been replicating TR 116 because he's a gun
collector.
And again, that's the shittiest fucking red herring ever.
You know, of all the guns that there could possibly be, he's
replicated.
They built it across the face.
I mean, I pick up the knife.
Although she's really going for it.
She sort of shaking her hand like, I'm going to stab you to
death.
You laughed your head off when we were watching this.
It casts to Cisco's quarters and he picks up the knife.
I'm, do you want to exit them?
This is not normal behaviour, you know. in an investigation.
I think she goes, she goes, gee, don't give up on me.
I can find it.
He's like, if I hear anything like this, it happens again and
you're out of this.
It's so overreacted.
He goes, oh, say so.
I'm sorry, things go out of hand.
And then she know, now she's leaping.
What, you kill 2 people?
Did you even look into?
Are you sure you should be running this investigation?
But just a sec, didn't we hear that anyone had access to those
things who was a Starfleet officer?
And there's 900 stoppers.
Southfleet officers, but he, but Bertram accessed it without
authorisation.
Yes, and but he was on Bajor, wasn't he?
That's why he got out of it.
He wasn't there for the 1st murder.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, it couldn't be him because he was on Bajor.
Connie Beamer bulletin from Bajor?
I think that's probably a bit far.
Because you can't beam to that.
It's a war between planets.
We haven't been in person to Beijor, can you?
Oh that's true.
Yeah, I think like we're a bully, you know, it's quite small.
Maybe.
Oh, we spent a bit of time in this ugly lift, don't we?
With these dreadful 2 shots.
I mean, just you wait until the killer walks in the lift later.
That's my favourite bit.
Yeah.
Oh my god.
It's him, Ezry.
Oh, really?
The killer just happened to the lift 30 minutes into this
episode.
Say how many people are on the station?
There must be 1000s of people.
A couple of thousand, yeah.
And 900 of them are Starfleet officers.
Yeah, there's something like 600 pajuras.
So they're listing more.
And they work on a 26 hour rotating ship.
Yes, of course they do.
Yeah, I think it's 4 shifts.
Hang on, 26 hours, 4 shifts.
Yeah.
That's not a long day, is it?
7.5 .
I better get a transfer.
I hate all of this.
Yeah, yeah.
Team Ducks, Nazza, I am.
What's that?
A lot of Zeds in it.
Dazoo bikes.
Brock, you're a wolf just lean on the keyboard.
But I quite like, like, this where she just says, no, actually
fuck off. you can go because I can't be stabbing people or I'll
get in trouble.
Um, and but she, and Duran's kind of surprised that it didn't
quite work.
When they're called away, he's got a smuggler.
That's really good.
Yeah, oh, I bolian.
Yeah.
He has a co-husband on Belarus.
Yes.
Now do they have sex with their co-husbands?
I like sex with their kind as well.
Why isn't he a husband then?
He has a whole polycule on Bolaris.
They're sort of revolutionary, but only halfway there.
Well, see, I think it's a little bit more like...
It's a bit like, you know, when they gave us, you know, simple
partnerships instead of marriage.
The terminology.
They didn't want to get too bold, but, you know, and the word
cogenitor was spoiled by those horrible people.
I just thought I'd have blue butts, wouldn't they?
Yeah, not polio.
Okay.
I love his line.
How can he be so happy with such ugly children?
is so great.
I mean, and it is, even though her realising finally that the
photo raw sort of thing.
It is a good way of getting us to it.
Yeah, yeah. and it's smiling photos.
And again, that pan, you know, the whip pan across between the
things.
Not the visual language.
It's not normal, is it?
No.
You would get it now.
She's laughing.
That's what the victims have in common.
Oh, well done.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, you're only 10 minutes behind us.
All the leaps happen now because we're 30 minutes in.
We need to get to the end and find the killer.
So she's like, it's making him lose control.
It's definitely a Vulcan.
He can't stand smile.
What?
Yeah, yeah.
But I think the problem is, yeah, you're thinking like he thinks
good.
But I think the problem is that it's not really necessary. needs
to be evidence beyond the photos.
But there also, there's, it's not just that, that, that he needs
to be like Juran or like her in some way, that, that, that, it
needs to be like a picture of what might happen to Ezri if, you
know, what the stakes are, like, because Duran's trying to turn
Ezri into a murderer, you know, what does that look like?
There just needs to, there just needs to go an extra step.
I just don't buy the leaf.
I don't know anything. like just DNA or something.
Right.
Shit, there's Vulcan DNA on this weapon.
Okay, that makes sense because of the photograph.
Yeah, yeah, why do we assume it's a vulture?
Just something extra.
Although I did love that a minute ago.
The camera pans from their console around to Ezri going, okay, we
got 28 suspects left.
We're getting close then.
And then we've only got one suspect in a minute when we walk into
the lift.
And this, the way the photograph free of the emotion. making it
seem like the laughter is going to come out forever.
Mind you, that old couple walked past behind them and they both
turned and looked at her talking to no one, which I thought was
really good.
Maybe they're to distract us from the line.
That terrible lie.
But then he comes in, right?
And, you know, we've never seen a Vulcan look more like a serial
killer than this man.
Although she goes, because Durand's looking at him really
closely.
She goes, what are you doing?
And the Vulcan goes, are you addressing me?
There is, look at him.
Of course he's the killer.
He looks like a psychopath right at the end of the other end. so
that invisible Geran can stand between them. thoughtful like that
you know, he's heard there's some trill stuff going there.
Are you addressing me?
Yeah, yeah.
This is hilarious.
I think he's told to go close to her in this shot in a second. but
he's too close and then he moves back.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Because she looks straight at her and it looks like a kiss.
Just come back, come back, come back.
Okay, we don't need to go again.
It's fine.
Oh, dear God.
By the way, I'm Counsellor Tax.
I know who you are, but I've got to fucking go and kill somebody
all right?
Oh, no, now straight away he goes to look for her brother.
No, it goes to kill her.
Do you suspect that it's her now?
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, the sequence is wonderful.
Yeah, I think this is...
Oh, it's really good.
And they do a great job.
And the bit that I thought was just magnificent is that she shoots
him dead using the same weapon.
And I guess that's why we need, you know, Duran to have her use
the weapon so that she uses it to solve the problem.
And the only reason works.
He doesn't get an accurate shot on hers because he's pulled
backless from her bullet, but it's just...
It's so grand.
The vacuum of space coming in, haven't you?
Yeah, really well done.
I love, I love.
I mean, just the idea of the 2 of them look at it.
Yeah, yeah.
It's really good.
The buildup of the music is really well done.
But it's when the music just cuts and they're both just staring at
each other. who's going to make the 1st move?
But also the reticule, the way that they've established how the
reticule turns red when, like, it's got a target.
I think is great.
Come on, Ezra, get that gun out the wall.
She's all business now.
You know what?
If I get that Vulcan within my sights, he's dead.
Because, of course, we established that it wasn't loaded before, so
she's now loading the gun.
Gosh, you have a big gun in every sky. you should have a big gun
in every scene.
She's doing the face now of like, yeah, okay, here we go.
Yeah, this.
It's really good.
The camera goes over his shoulder in a really impressive way as
well, straight to the straight.
She goes, oh, it's me.
And then the music goes, dun, dun, but goes through him.
It actually goes through his back, doesn't it?
That's how they do that.
It's good.
I think it's really good.
It's my service record.
Thank you for telling her.
He suspects I know him.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
All of that stuff, they always do this on stuff.
We can just...
He's carrying something.
We're watching the television.
Is it a gun?
We're not sure it's in some carpet.
Shoot him.
Yeah, there you go.
She loads the gun there.
So maybe that is why she needed to hold it earlier.
Yes, no, no, no, because this is how it's resolved.
Yeah.
I love these close-ups on her.
Go on, very intense.
Yeah, it's...
Oh, that would the zoom out from the camera onto our face.
Oh, that's so good because they're looking at each other.
Do you know what I mean?
The grammar of that is that they're looking at each other.
And it's, yeah, yeah.
Did you say that the weapon came 1st and the mystery...
I can see why the weapon came.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. because it's really good and the resolution that
it enables is great.
It's like shit.
So he's now crawling bloodily across the floor to get the weapon.
And then she treads on it and it sounds so plastic.
Like, it looks like it's made.
That's the best show of the episode of her looking down on it with
the gum.
Yeah, yeah.
But she goes, why did you do it?
It goes, because logic to man.
Just like, yeah, we want to find out then.
I mean, like, like, if you follow the psychology through, you
could make a case that a Vulcan, who lost everybody who's close to
him, could be traumatised and angry, lash out, I don't buy it.
No, none of it makes sense.
That's the weakest part of it.
The mystery just doesn't work.
But you've seen murder, she wrote.
I mean, it rarely made sense.
Yeah, I think they should have done a better job than that, but
nevertheless, it's it works pretty well, all the characters stuff
and everything else.
No, you can't because then Duran wins.
So what she does learn that Geran is necessary, but she also
learns that she can handle him.
We go again.
Juzzy, fuck, and...
Lenor, Jakovok.
Yeah, yeah, come on.
I just said to her, Nicole, just say something.
I'm title T Star Trek.
No, it's kind of like, we're not getting, you know, a whole
language, all right?
We've done that.
I'm not fucking jealous.
Yeah, that's right.
Lean on the keyboard.
You can't bury me as deeply.
And she decides not to.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
So yeah, they've reached some form of a conclusion about...
Yeah, but it gives her a little bit more steel.
I think it's good.
And then, like, if, you know, the show had gone on, maybe that
something could have come of her.
Yeah, definitely.
But she does have more steel in the 2nd half. the series.
Like there's very few moments where she's sort of portrayed as a
victim or weak, which is quite nice.
And again, I thought that was a strange ending because, in a way
it's not really that strange because of course it ends on that
character moment of, you know, she's looking at him in the mirror
and then it turns into her to kind of re-emphasize that they're
the same person, but we never kind of go and tell Cisco or Odo or
anything. you know, like and I guess we don't need that.
Well, that's the sort of thing we normally complain about.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But they do they?
We don't need it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
She's she's reached a conclusion.
That's enough.
Yeah, yeah, that's fair enough.
Now, I would say, I'm not sure if I was going to choose a D-Space
9 episode to show somebody that had never seen it before, that I
would pick Field of Fire, but for somebody that had watched a lot
of Star Trek, but I hadn't watched DS 9, I'd say, you want some
fun?
Watch this bullshit.
Yeah, I don't think it's terrible.
I don't, you know, like I enjoyed it.
I didn't feel like I'd wasted my time.
You know, it's not a bombshell episode.
It's not super memorable but it was pretty fun.
And I just think that one, the characters are in the place where
you can get all those little moments.
Like I said, with times orphan, everyone sort of gets a moment
that reflects their character, but also their job, which you
like.
Um, and that Robert Hurrett Wolf is just a dab hand at TV now.
He just doesn't make that connection at the end. to why it's the
Vulcan.
And then the only way you can point the finger at the correct
Vulcan is if he walks into the same space, yeah, perfectly
investigated.
Because like, it's okay.
It's kind of weird 42 minutes.
We've had a lift, I guess, right?
We don't need another set.
Let's put both in the lift.
But make sure he stands over there because Durand's in the
middle.
That's right But it's really fun.
Yeah. like we were kind of angry.
We were laughing a lot when we watched Justice, but it was so
inept.
In many ways, as a piece of salad, that isn't in there.
It's somebody who understands how TV works.
So I suppose in how many seasons, 10 seasons, since justice, we've
learned how to make telly.
I think they had.
All right, it's the end of the episode, and it's time for us to
work out where we're going next.
This was your choice naturally.
You mean naturally.
Well, you always choose...
It was my dream. have you in my presence watching my favourite
television show. do more of that before the weekends. live now
actually.
It's all downhill from here.
Yeah, Nathan and DS9.
At least I did it.
Together at last.
So since we last recorded, and since we last did a Strange New
Worlds episode, a number of Strange New Worlds episodes have been
broadcast, which means...
I haven't seen any of them.
I've seen all of them, but that means that actually Stranger
Worlds is now our least covered series.
What a wonderful rest.
I mean, not that we haven't watched enough, but the fact that we
must choose...
That's right.
For a long time, we were actually a bit ahead because we, you know
we watched the 1st episode and it was hard to avoid because it's
so good.
We've overdone it a little bit.
But now we're behind. and so I am hang on over here.
Statistically, does that kick it somewhere in the middle again?
Probably.
That's annoying Yeah, well, that's all right.
There'll be more next year.
We did watch Strange New Worlds together last time, didn't we?
We watched that wonderful Gorn episode where...
The blue man got torn up.
That's right.
Did we watch the one with Christina Chong as well as the
princess?
Yes, I think we probably did.
What a day that was.
Well, we have done that actually on the show.
You know, you people may have like huge ambitions in life, all
right?
We've only got the ambitions to watch Star Trek together.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
We're very simple people, I think.
Easily, please.
Well, let's do it again then.
All right, okay.
So I'm going to press the button.
Your random Star Trek Strange New Worlds episode is hegemony, which
is the season two, episode 10 cliffhanger, and that would entail
also watching hegemini part two, which is season three, episode
one.
I mean, we've got the time.
It is literally Strange New World's answer to best of both
worlds.
Oh, let's do it. really good.
Best do it.
I think we should, and we haven't done a 2 part for ages.
No, that's true.
And there's a lot of them.
Yeah, but there aren't that many two-parters in Stranger Worlds.
In fact, I think this is the only one.
But of behind the scenes information here, but normally, I have to
dash off to work after we record.
So doing a two-part is tricky.
It means Nathan's got to get on the call very early.
Yeah, yeah.
But he's here for a week.
So we've got no, we can just do it. watch and record a 2 par. would
be great.
Oh, that, although that will take it right up the top again of
strangely well.
Yes, yeah, that'll be all right.
That'll be okay.
Let's do a cliffhanger.
Yep, wonderful.
Let's do it.
Brilliant.
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A great choice.
Yeah, yeah, isn't it?
That's just, so, this is after South Space Rhapsody, the next
one.
Uh, yeah.
Yeah.
Oh, and there's all sorts of funny productions.
Fat woman, that lovely woman from private conversation, are they?
I won't be happy.
No, but she is in peril.
Oh, that's right.
Well, because they said in subspace for it, Rhapsody that they
don't get to have that, you know, they agree.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, but they were going to compromise and it wasn't going to be a
tedious holiday that she wants, but it wasn't going to be camping
either.
Oh, with her.
But she, she's a captain of the Cayuga and the Cayuga is attacked
in, in, in Hetchmony.
And so she's in that episode.
Yeah, Hedchmidt, because it's called the Gorn Hedgeman Eva area.
So it's a gore in it.
Oh, it's really good.
It's a lot happens.
A lot happens.
I'm just currently remembering all that.
Every time you come in, we end up watching Gordon's tearing
people.
Next time you come, we'll have to watch Arena.
The rubber gone.
Yeah, yeah, that was great.
I enjoyed it for a while, so that's probably it.
Yeah.
All those shitty, great episodes to start.
That's fun, though.
That was fun.
It is funny and different to sitting, like looking at each other
while...
Oh, no, I love it.
I love him.
Okay, I'm gonna make us a sandwich.
Okay.