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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So today we are back in the distant past, it's 2017, October 2017

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and we are about to watch the 3rd episode of Star Trek Discovery

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which is called context is for Kings.

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And you might remember that the 1st 2 episodes get screened one

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immediately after the other, one on CBS and one on CBS for

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access.

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So this is kind of the 1st regular episode.

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And it's the 1st time we say Discovery.

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We're inclined not to like it.

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Oh, we're at this point because they've just killed off cousin

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Michelle.

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So we're not in a good mood with Discovery at this point.

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No, although I have to say, I think I've said this before, that I

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was pretty much sold from just about the 1st moment, the bit where

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Michael goes off in a sort of EV pod and clambers over a Klingon

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asteroid thing, because it just looked so different from what I

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expected.

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And, and, you know, this is sort of 21st century Star Trek, but

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enterprise finishes maybe 12 years before this airs.

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It's not as big a gap as it seemed at the time.

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What you mean, it looks different.

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It's because I've jettisoned all the greys from...

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But it just looks magnificent.

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It looks so interesting.

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It's so different.

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You know, it's great having a kind of, it's not a complete, um, a

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completely new production team because we still have Brian Fuller

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who wrote like 20 episodes of Voyager.

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Some pre-dismal scripts.

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A couple that we've covered already.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, yeah, that's right.

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He wrote Coarse Oblivion, remember?

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His record is not stainless.

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No, but he did do.

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I mean, we did the Raven, which is pretty good.

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He did Living Witness.

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He did Bride of Chaotica.

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He did Barge of the Dead.

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This is so good.

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Yeah, yeah, that might be the best script he ever did, actually.

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Yeah, I've got a theory.

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Oh, God, did you think of Buffy when I said that?

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I've got a theory.

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That the reason why so many people struggled is the reason why you

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didn't.

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And that is, I think they were pre-programmed to accept a version

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of Star Trek.

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There was a lot of people pontificating in rooms, gray rooms.

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And, you know, the odd moral dilemma, the odd, the sort of phase

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of battle and things like that.

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But nothing that you would call visually striking or if so, rarely

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so.

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And then they came in, obviously, special effects have come on in

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a decade and they're going to throw as many pretty and amazing

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images at you as possible.

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And I think just for a lot of people, this just wasn't Star Trek

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as they recognised it.

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And I think Fandom with Discovery went 2 ways.

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It was those people that just abandoned it because their

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preference was 90s trek and those that embraced it and went on the

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journey with it.

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And, you know, it's a hell of a journey.

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But my big surprise coming back and watching this is I think this

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is my favourite iteration of discovery.

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And I think it's messy in all kinds of ways, and I will talk about

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it in this episode.

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There's so much that they don't get right.

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But what appeals to me is that this is quite edgy and it isn't

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comfortable viewing at times.

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And again, I think that's probably what pushed a lot of people

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away because they, I loved, you know, what is it, a fine ship, a

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ship shape crew, space problems, you know, that sort of thing.

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We're not doing any of that.

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The ship comes along here in the 3rd episode.

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The crew is not assembled into any kind of family unit at all.

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It's so dysfunctional.

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Everyone's kind of ugly at this point in all sorts of various ways

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ugly or not quite formed in the way that they would be in the 2nd

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year.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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No, I agree.

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And I think, you know, because people as well look to Star Trek

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for an optimistic vision of the future.

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Not me.

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But people do, and I do.

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And that here is simply located in Michael Burnham's character.

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And she makes it clear.

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Just her.

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And so there's there's a reference to Alice in Wonderland here

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which comes up later, but she's fallen down the rabbit hole into a

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world that is weird and off-putting.

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The incredible thing about Alice in Wonderland is that the fantasy

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world it creates is actually not very nice.

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It's nasty and weird and unpleasant.

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And that's where we are here.

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And it's the result of the war.

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It's going to a place that Deep Space 9 goes.

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What happens to us when we're at war?

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And what this does, I think, um, because the sequel to Alice in

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Wonderland is through the Looking Glass, we have this happen again

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at the end of the series, a few episodes from the end of the

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series when we actually go into the Mirror Universe, and it's like

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discovery only much worse, like much scarier.

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And so we...

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Yeah, yeah.

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Oh, look, it's it's really too...

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Do you think Emperor Georgio, you know, and a whole ream of men

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around are fabulous.

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That's right But I think what's happening, and I think I may have

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said this before on the podcast.

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I think that what we're getting here is a kind of mirror of

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American politics after 911 and the Iraq War and Afghanistan and

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that kind of thing.

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And so America has been at war. you know, ever since then when

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discovery comes out.

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And then we get Trump.

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And so we get this sort of weird escalation where the founding

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values and like that's a sort of contentious term, but where

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Starfleet's values at least have kind of been abandoned and

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they're really ostentatiously not here.

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And the way that this season works and you have to get through all

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kind of 15 episodes of the season to get to the end, the way this

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season works is, of course, those are the values that prevail.

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We're given the chance to the war by destroying the Klingon home

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world and we don't do that because that's not what we would have

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done it.

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I would have pressed it.

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No, but we do something much better instead.

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No, we'll go, yes, we're Starfleet.

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We're a lovely family.

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Oh, vomit.

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Yeah.

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And then we do that all next year as well.

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It's so much less interesting.

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I think next year does a whole bunch of things that seem like an

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apology tour for this year.

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No, watching this now.

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It's clear.

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That's what next year is Because they go out of their way and

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obviously we've done that episode that you and I battled over, the

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penultimate episode of series 2 with the, you say not, but I say

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protracted sequences of goodbye between this family that's

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breaking up for the last time.

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Um, God, it's unbearable, I find, all of that stuff in this, and

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poor uh, Saniqua.

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Balling her eyes out every single episode for about 10 minutes and

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it's like, no.

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What happened in series one?

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Look at that.

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A ship of secrets.

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That's what I kept messaging you.

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I love it.

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We land on Discovery and immediately there's a crew there.

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No one's sort of treating her nicely.

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I mean, the security officer, we will get to her.

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But clearly Lawker's got loads of things up his sleeve and he's

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dissected bodies in his quarters and all sorts and it's like, this

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is so much more interesting than just doing a forgive me, a wank

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job to TOS, which is what we get in the 2nd series.

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But I have to say that that it's Star Trek, and you tune in for

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Star Trek, and I think that that's the original series.

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No, it doesn't have to be the original series, but I think it does

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have to be Star Trek.

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And there are other darker visions of the future and stuff like

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that.

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I think that this is interesting in that it does comment on

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contemporary politics and it kind of tells us about what people

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are like when kind of push comes to shave, but it is still that

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kind of utopian vision that characterises Star Trek.

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It just takes us a while to kind of get there.

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And I like that.

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I just think this insidiousness is delicious at this point.

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And and and it is a peak, I think, into a different version of

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this show. and I think that's to show Brian Fuller wanted to make

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because he's out by the middle of this series.

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So we don't actually know how this series would have panned out.

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And I think you think it would have panned out in the way it is.

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I'm not sure Fuller was going into the Mirror Universe, you know.

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No, no, I think it has to end with the values of the Federation

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being reestablished at the end.

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I wonder sometimes why I'm a Star Trek fan, you know.

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I don't buy into any of this.

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Yeah, but like I think that that's a hugely important thing.

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Like, it's not the tech.

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It's not the techno babble, it's not the spaceships, it's not the

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latex.

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It is that vision, I think.

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Did you think no?

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Index.

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Did you think like, you know, all those fans that were affronted

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by all the visual sumptuousness and dynamic action that was in the

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1st 2 episodes?

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By the time you got to sort of 2 thirds into this episode?

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Michael Burnham is crawling through Jeffrey's tubes and up and

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down ladders and they must have been going, oh, thank God.

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Yeah, we're hacking. 90s trek again.

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And doing references to Alice in Wonderland, the sort of thing

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Picard would say, you know, references to literature.

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Yeah.

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And but that's an interesting character thing and it is commenting

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on the rest of the episode.

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Like it is very clearly, you know, Michael's fallen down the

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rabbit hole and she's now in this strange mirror universe.

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I mean, you know... to see when we go back to these early episodes

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of how the respective series is form?

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Because I think TOS hits it out of the gate.

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TNG takes 2 years to get it right.

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DS9, I think, starts really strongly and then takes a year to sort

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of find its groove with its characters and its crew.

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Voyager, I think, absolutely nails it in its 1st episode and then

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forgets entirely all the things it learned there.

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Enterprise takes about 4 years to get it right and they're just

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about getting it right towards the end with the characters and the

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storytelling.

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Whereas discovery, man, you just can't put a pin in where they get

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it right because it evolves so much and the crew changes from not

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just season to season.

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Sometimes within the seasons, we lose regulars, we gain regulars.

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Like, you know, the most consistent characters in discovery are

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the 2 on the bridge that last all 4 years.

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Detmar and Owo. 2 most consistent characters.

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They actually kind of disappear midway through series.

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There's just not another trek show like it though, but I really

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found it interesting coming back to this and seeing these

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characters unformed because Tilly is nowhere near what she

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becomes.

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I think by the end of the 1st season, Saru isn't is still a good

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performance, but he's still he's not quite the Saru I recognise

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from sort of series 2 onwards.

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Stamitz was the only one who came in.

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He was a total cunt from his 1st line and I was like, yep, there

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he is.

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But I think Stammets undergoes a thing where he just seems to be

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obnoxious, but there is also that incredible kind of enthusiasm

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for the science and the resentment of the way that Discovery's

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been kind of commandeered and taken off him by Lawker and turned

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into a kind of laboratory for war stuff.

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You know, remember while we watched that doctor episode recently

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interstellar song contest, you know, and I'll said to you about

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how, oh, wow.

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Yes.

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And I said to you, oh, those 2 awful, lovey, dovey, hideous gays

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in it.

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I just can't bear them.

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Stabitz is like my antidote to that.

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A total bastard from the off, you know, goes around insulting

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everybody, but he's super smart.

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He's in a wonderful relationship with a man that has sort of bumps

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that you can absolutely buy into.

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I've had bumps like that in my relationships.

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I think he's a great character.

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And I think he's the one here that works from the off of all of

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them.

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Yeah, he gets so comprehensively owned by law cream that one scene

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though.

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And as for Lawker, I know, you said to me in the chat, but like we

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were never going to keep Isaacs for more than like, you know, two

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thirds of a season.

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What a shame because he is such an asset to this show.

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We know that this was the setup for a one season story and that

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Fuller's original plan had been to do a completely different story

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every season.

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And Discovery does land on that.

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But what they decide is that we can't invest this money in the, the

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sets and models and things. and assemble a group of actors and

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then throw them away at the end of 12 months and do it again.

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And I think that that's probably a reasonable call.

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I would have loved to have seen that though.

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Just to see how that would have looked. go into different periods

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you know.

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I mean, there's been 5 different shows.

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We technically have, if you just watch all the 1st series.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And, of course, Discovery does do the thing.

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You know, the thing that makes it different from strange new

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worlds isn't just kind of the tone and atmosphere, but also the

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fact that the season is the main unit of storytelling as opposed

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to the episode.

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And both of those are good, interesting things to do.

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It means, though, that, you know, dipping into discovery is like

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dipping into Picard or um, it's not always as easy as it could

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be.

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These I found really easy to dip back into, though.

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One, because it is the 1st superiance of the 1st superi. introduced

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to all the crew for the 1st time or some of them anyway.

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But because as well, there wasn't really a huge amount of plot

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here.

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It was a protracted series of character scenes with an action

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sequence in the middle.

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And I said to you, that's not a problem for me because that's sort

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of 90s trek, isn't it?

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Lots of too harder scenes, but they're good to hander scenes, I

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think, or the best ones are really great.

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I think too, they're more than just, you know, we're finding out

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about the characters.

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Like the scenes are all doing something as well.

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It's not just, here's what this person is like.

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There's a change in the relationship between, say, Tilly and

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Michael.

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There's a change in the relationship between Burnham and Locker.

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Obviously, Burnham's decision to join the crew at the end is kind

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of interesting and takes us a while to get to.

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We learn a little bit. very funny that, wasn't it?

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Do you remember when Saru's sitting there?

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watching the ship zap off through the window in the mess hall and

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then no suspense at all.

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The next scene, she's there, walking down the corridor towards the

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mess hole.

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I was like, okay, we're not even going to pretend that she's not

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on the ship.

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No, but remember that that's a very clever scene because he says

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that she's dangerous and as the ship leaves, his ganglia or

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whatever are coming out the back of his neck because he senses

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danger.

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So in some sense, he's aware that she's not on the shuttle that

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she stays.

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How what those are?

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Ganglia.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Very disturbing, yeah.

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If Frank started emerging from your head while we were talking.

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Yeah, that probably was.

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Pulse, frankly.

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And of course, we already had the relationship between Saru and

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Michael in the opening 2 parter.

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And so when we see it this time, It's gone somewhere quite

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different.

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And I think that Saru, if you were to watch him in episodes one

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and two, you would say, yes, that's him. he is fully formed, but

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here a character thing has happened. and he's grown to distrust

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why, you know, because she has been, she's the fool guy for

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everything that went wrong in one or two.

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And so, you know, he's understandably cross. you know, Giorgio is

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dead after all.

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But I'm just so used to him being empathetic towards everybody

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kind of regardless of what they have done.

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So I was like, okay, so they're not quite there with him yet.

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But I can see potential with every character.

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And I know that the potential is mostly realised with all of

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them.

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So yeah, the building blocks are here.

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I just love how messy it is.

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I just came away feeling a bit dirty going, you know, oh, this is

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Star Trek for me, you know, it's not perfect, but yeah, it's a bit

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edchy.

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The other thing too is what you forget is how mysterious it all

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was to us, like who is law car?

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Where is he from?

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Yeah, wonderful.

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Who is Ash?

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Like, Shahzad Latif gets credited in the opening credits of this

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week's episode.

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He's not in it and he's not vogue in it either.

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So he's neither of his characters are in it, but we didn't know

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that he was folk.

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He'll turn up in episode five.

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I got a little bit too Game of Thrones shocky though, didn't

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they?

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They got a bit carried away at times, you know, when they killed

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off Colbar.

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That was a bad idea.

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Oh boy, why did we do that?

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I mean, it's a great shock moment.

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It is a great moment, but it is.

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And you know, and it ruined 2 characters in one because it's like

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well, how do we go back from that with Ash?

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and also we've lost gold.

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But like, what are you doing?

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But it is Star Trek for streaming, right?

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And so it's the 1st time they're doing this.

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They're doing long form storytelling.

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They're doing long form mysteries, you know, and I think for the

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most part, they pull it off.

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It is a weirdly messy is the right word, I think.

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It's a weirdly messy year, this.

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But I think probably as interesting for me as discovery ever got.

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So yeah, I was quite impressed.

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This is my favourite or 2nd favourite season.

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I think series 4 is magnificent.

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Um, but very different and this, you know, I just fell in love

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with this immediately.

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And I still enjoy going back to the ship and seeing all of those

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people and seeing the look of it.

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And, you know, strangely worlds is a little bit more polished and

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a little bit kind of more sure of itself.

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And the mess is one little bit more Star Trek as well, isn't it?

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Oh, yeah.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah.

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Although it can be very violent.

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Yeah, yeah.

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This does become Star Trek.

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It does.

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But it never becomes quite a Star Trek show in quite the same way

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as NextGen or Strange New World or Voyager.

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I think anything will ever be more Star Trek than Strange New

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Worlds, you know.

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Kirk, Tyke, Spock, Nurse Chapel, space problems.

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Jesus Christ The enterprise, yeah.

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Yeah, it's pretty great.

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It's literally called Strange New Worlds.

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Yeah.

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But today, we're down in the sewers with Discovery.

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Yeah, it was pretty exciting.

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Let's do it.

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Should we go and get mucky together?

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think we should.

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Okay.

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It's a shame though, you know, because security officer. so

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annoying.

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I was hoping this was the one where she got eaten, but it was next

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week.

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I would say...

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No.

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Oh, there's a reason, though, right?

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It's not a great character.

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Anyway, all right.

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Okay.

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All right, here goes. 543, two, one, and we're off.

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Okay, so this is previously on.

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Oh, there's your show.

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Oh, yeah, gosh.

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I'm not going about hair quite a lot, but later on, Sanequa's hair

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is just so fabulous.

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Why have they made her look so mousey in this 1st series?

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Yeah, because like she's sort of Vulcan.

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Like, she's got her hair all sort of ironed back on board the

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Shinjou and...

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Do you not remember all those gorgeous dreadlocks she had in the

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last series?

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Gorgeous.

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Yeah, with their braids.

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They were braids, not dreadlocks.

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They're beautiful.

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I mean, she just looked magnificent.

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But look at these ships.

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Just look at how imagic that bears Takuvma. awesome.

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My God, it's like watching the menu more fabulous.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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With money.

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With action.

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Now, that's not too bad now, come along.

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We've done some of those space battles.

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They look a bit cartoony to be fair.

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Oh, look at that harsh light there.

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Remember the drumhead room and look at that room?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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We've come along a bit, aren't we?

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Well, just the lighting and stuff is just so much more interesting

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and so much less even than stuff. insane in the shuttlecraft

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right?

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This is literally a scene from Blake 7, which is the, you know, the

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anti-Star Trek, where they go off at the start of Blake 7 in a

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prison ship because they've all been accused of various things by

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the evil Federation.

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And that's this scene.

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I never thought we would see this with the main regular crew

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member of a Star Trek show.

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Okay, so these people are credited in the closing credits as stone

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cold, and psycho.

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Psycho, you say?

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Psycho.

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That's what the woman is called.

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His mum didn't like him very much.

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No, no, that's what the woman's called.

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So the Spanish guy with the shaved head, the who's a kickboxer and

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stuff.

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He lives in Canada. recognise him.

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Has he done some acting elsewhere?

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Yeah, he has.

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And then the guy in the middle was in series 5 of Discovery as a

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Breen character, um, called Locke, um, who, uh, like he's properly

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brain, you know, like he's got sort of proper makeup and all of

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that and they're liquid.

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We get to see the brain in series 5 of Discovery and they manage

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to do it without ruining them.

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It's pretty great.

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I just think this is astonishing that we're opening the 3rd

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episode of a new Star Trek show with the central character in

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handcuffs on the way to a penal colony.

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Like, they would never do anything like that before or again.

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No.

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And this.

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So, you know, she goes out.

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She goes out to deal with the infestation and stuff.

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Michael knows what's going on.

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And then just the incredible kind of random shot of her just out

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the window.

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Like, It's pretty, it's pretty bleak, isn't it?

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Oh my god, yeah.

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I mean, she just flies out the window like she's just out the

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window.

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It's just like, fuck.

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Oh, does she go?

499
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Yeah, yeah.

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I mean, I loved in a minute, right?

501
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They do this sort of, I say, point it in the camera.

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It's a special effect shot up at discovery as it's coming over the

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shuttle grass.

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It's hero shot.

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First, look at discovery.

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Oh, to be fair, they did used to shoot the Enterprise D like that

507
00:23:49.440 --> 00:23:50.880
from below coming out of the camera.

508
00:23:51.000 --> 00:23:52.140
Not all that often.

509
00:23:52.200 --> 00:23:55.259
Like that, isn't it beautiful with the light coming behind it and

510
00:23:55.259 --> 00:23:55.559
things?

511
00:23:55.619 --> 00:24:00.059
It just looks stunning with the tractor beam is literally taking

512
00:24:00.059 --> 00:24:02.519
us away because it's coming straight out the camera.

513
00:24:04.200 --> 00:24:06.960
That ship is so weird.

514
00:24:07.019 --> 00:24:09.420
Like, it's definitely a Star Trek ship.

515
00:24:09.480 --> 00:24:13.019
You wouldn't mistake it for anything else, but just the geometry

516
00:24:13.019 --> 00:24:15.839
of it's all so weird. and the fact that it's sort of burnished

517
00:24:15.839 --> 00:24:19.079
bronze rather than gray.

518
00:24:19.140 --> 00:24:20.339
You love it.

519
00:24:20.400 --> 00:24:21.420
It's exposed backside.

520
00:24:21.480 --> 00:24:24.420
And the little hole when the shield opens up just to let the

521
00:24:24.420 --> 00:24:25.019
Charlotte.

522
00:24:25.079 --> 00:24:28.440
I mean, they do that on Enterprise.

523
00:24:28.500 --> 00:24:31.440
It's like Star Trek, the motion picture, now we're going round and

524
00:24:31.440 --> 00:24:31.740
round.

525
00:24:31.799 --> 00:24:32.220
Lovely.

526
00:24:32.279 --> 00:24:34.980
A bit faster than the most...

527
00:24:34.980 --> 00:24:35.880
Let's be honest, yeah.

528
00:24:36.359 --> 00:24:39.299
Somewhere, sorry, a bit more detailed as well.

529
00:24:39.359 --> 00:24:41.519
Oh, this lovely music.

530
00:24:41.579 --> 00:24:45.539
Yeah, isn't it?

531
00:24:45.599 --> 00:24:49.319
This is such a strange new world is still my favourite, though, of

532
00:24:49.319 --> 00:24:49.740
all of them.

533
00:24:49.859 --> 00:24:50.700
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

534
00:24:50.759 --> 00:24:55.079
Just because it has like, you know, that, da, da, da, da.

535
00:24:55.079 --> 00:24:57.119
That bit, yeah, it gets me very excited.

536
00:24:57.240 --> 00:24:59.880
But look at this beautiful art as well.

537
00:24:59.940 --> 00:25:04.740
Yeah, yeah, I don't know why, like, quite why we do it like this.

538
00:25:04.799 --> 00:25:09.720
It's kind of like the idea is that we're redesigning Star Trek for

539
00:25:09.720 --> 00:25:14.099
the 21st century and so it's all blueprints and like design

540
00:25:14.099 --> 00:25:15.900
ideas.

541
00:25:16.019 --> 00:25:16.920
Do you know what I mean?

542
00:25:16.980 --> 00:25:20.220
As if we're kind of aware that this is a TV show and we're having

543
00:25:20.220 --> 00:25:21.960
to design the future again?

544
00:25:22.500 --> 00:25:27.420
It's an odd, it's an odd thing to do because it doesn't seem to

545
00:25:27.420 --> 00:25:29.640
represent anything about the actual show itself.

546
00:25:29.819 --> 00:25:35.519
I just imagine like long, long behind the scenes conversations

547
00:25:35.519 --> 00:25:38.819
about how this had to look, the tone of it, everything, you know?

548
00:25:38.880 --> 00:25:43.079
Yeah, because we just redoing it, like completely redoing it in a

549
00:25:43.079 --> 00:25:44.160
way that hadn't happened.

550
00:25:44.220 --> 00:25:48.779
We had, you know, how many seasons, 18 seasons of Star Trek with

551
00:25:48.779 --> 00:25:51.900
no real proper reevaluation of how it should look.

552
00:25:52.079 --> 00:25:56.519
What fascinates me about discovery, my own reaction to it, because

553
00:25:56.519 --> 00:25:58.200
I really hated this when it came out.

554
00:25:58.259 --> 00:26:03.779
I just loathed the 1st 2 par and I was really struggling right the

555
00:26:03.779 --> 00:26:05.099
way through that 1st series.

556
00:26:05.160 --> 00:26:09.119
And I'm wondering if it's doing untitled Star Trek Project and

557
00:26:09.119 --> 00:26:13.259
watching so much other trick and realising how terrible all that

558
00:26:13.259 --> 00:26:14.339
is compared to this.

559
00:26:14.519 --> 00:26:18.539
I've been able to completely reevaluate my opinion on this 1st

560
00:26:18.539 --> 00:26:18.839
series.

561
00:26:18.900 --> 00:26:22.140
And no, no, I think I've put my finger on the sort of Star Trek

562
00:26:22.259 --> 00:26:22.619
like now.

563
00:26:22.740 --> 00:26:27.119
And it's this, but it took me, you know, you do change your mind

564
00:26:27.119 --> 00:26:28.920
on things, but you go on a journey with these things.

565
00:26:28.980 --> 00:26:30.539
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

566
00:26:30.599 --> 00:26:31.140
Yeah.

567
00:26:31.380 --> 00:26:33.720
What happened to the rest of them then?

568
00:26:33.779 --> 00:26:35.579
She obviously gets absorbed into the crew.

569
00:26:35.640 --> 00:26:37.619
Do they just head off back to the painal Connelly again?

570
00:26:37.680 --> 00:26:38.579
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

571
00:26:38.640 --> 00:26:40.680
Oh, we never see Psycho again.

572
00:26:40.740 --> 00:26:43.859
Psycho and Cold and Stone all go off.

573
00:26:43.859 --> 00:26:46.440
Here she is from Battlestar Galactica.

574
00:26:46.500 --> 00:26:46.920
What's her name?

575
00:26:46.980 --> 00:26:47.940
Security chief.

576
00:26:48.000 --> 00:26:49.619
She's Landry.

577
00:26:49.680 --> 00:26:51.180
Landry.

578
00:26:51.180 --> 00:26:51.720
Landry.

579
00:26:51.779 --> 00:26:53.099
Dreadful character.

580
00:26:53.160 --> 00:26:54.180
Right?

581
00:26:54.180 --> 00:26:56.880
Because this is shocking.

582
00:26:56.940 --> 00:26:59.700
Like, I think it's quite shocking because she says something.

583
00:26:59.759 --> 00:27:03.240
She calls them garbage, and then later on in dialogue, she refers

584
00:27:03.240 --> 00:27:04.799
to them as animals as well.

585
00:27:04.859 --> 00:27:08.519
And like that's really wrong footing.

586
00:27:08.579 --> 00:27:10.259
That's even before Lorker comes along.

587
00:27:10.319 --> 00:27:12.359
Something is wrong on this ship.

588
00:27:12.420 --> 00:27:18.240
Um, and I think it becomes clear during the season that it's it's

589
00:27:18.240 --> 00:27:23.759
law car, is promoting people like this and encouraging this kind

590
00:27:23.759 --> 00:27:24.660
of behaviour.

591
00:27:24.720 --> 00:27:29.099
And I think, you know, this, the title of this episode context is

592
00:27:29.099 --> 00:27:32.640
for kings is really telling as well, and we'll talk about it when

593
00:27:32.640 --> 00:27:33.059
we get there.

594
00:27:33.119 --> 00:27:36.660
I mean, if you think she's one note in this episode and she is

595
00:27:36.660 --> 00:27:41.700
Landry, I mean, in the next one, they literally make her such a

596
00:27:41.700 --> 00:27:46.079
bully throughout the 2nd episode, um, just so that moment where

597
00:27:46.079 --> 00:27:50.640
she's eaten, she's like, punching the air going, yes, you know

598
00:27:50.640 --> 00:27:51.359
she's gone.

599
00:27:51.420 --> 00:27:52.259
Look at this.

600
00:27:52.319 --> 00:27:57.119
So this Detman was on board the on board the Shenzhou, right?

601
00:27:57.180 --> 00:27:58.799
So this is our seeing Detma.

602
00:27:58.859 --> 00:28:02.700
That's her meeting Detma. and seeing the injuries that Detma

603
00:28:02.700 --> 00:28:06.299
suffered in the Battle of the binary stars, like that brace on her

604
00:28:06.299 --> 00:28:09.180
head and the shaved head and stuff, which is her look for the rest

605
00:28:09.180 --> 00:28:12.599
of the show, that's done to her in that.

606
00:28:12.660 --> 00:28:16.559
And so having that moment, which that's all she gets to do this

607
00:28:16.559 --> 00:28:17.339
episode.

608
00:28:17.400 --> 00:28:19.680
And obviously she becomes an important part of the show.

609
00:28:19.740 --> 00:28:22.859
The 1st 2 years, I think, you know, she had to guess a line in

610
00:28:22.859 --> 00:28:23.460
series three.

611
00:28:23.519 --> 00:28:26.039
Yeah, there isn't really that much.

612
00:28:26.099 --> 00:28:26.819
Very strange.

613
00:28:26.880 --> 00:28:29.640
I mean, she was very loyal to the show given how much they gave

614
00:28:29.640 --> 00:28:30.119
her to do.

615
00:28:31.259 --> 00:28:35.880
We have done this before. so her walking in and everyone looking

616
00:28:35.880 --> 00:28:37.680
at her with absolute disgust.

617
00:28:37.740 --> 00:28:42.059
That's exactly what happens to Tom Paris in Caretaker when he's

618
00:28:42.059 --> 00:28:44.579
walking Voyager and everyone's giving him filthy looks.

619
00:28:44.640 --> 00:28:47.519
And I like that about caretaker as well.

620
00:28:47.579 --> 00:28:50.579
I like that about Tom Paris that he had that checkered history.

621
00:28:50.640 --> 00:28:57.240
So, so we have the 1st reference to Enterprise here in the

622
00:28:57.240 --> 00:29:01.140
dialogue because Landry...

623
00:29:01.200 --> 00:29:06.660
Landry identifies that as a Vulcan martial art, and then it gets

624
00:29:06.660 --> 00:29:15.240
named by Michael, and that's the Vulcan martial art that to poll

625
00:29:15.240 --> 00:29:18.779
uses in Enterprise series 2, episode 6 marauders.

626
00:29:18.839 --> 00:29:21.539
So it's our 1st enterprise reference.

627
00:29:21.599 --> 00:29:24.839
Can I just to bring us back to Landry for a 2nd?

628
00:29:24.900 --> 00:29:26.460
Because there isn't much to say about.

629
00:29:26.519 --> 00:29:27.480
I just want to make this point.

630
00:29:27.539 --> 00:29:32.579
The actress who plays her, play Tory in Battle Star Galactica, an

631
00:29:32.579 --> 00:29:36.420
extraordinary character that in the last season goes on an

632
00:29:36.420 --> 00:29:42.180
incredible journey from, you know, likeable age to the president

633
00:29:42.180 --> 00:29:44.400
to the biggest bitch on that show as well.

634
00:29:44.460 --> 00:29:49.019
And fuck, like, it's a bit of a shame because she's a really good

635
00:29:49.019 --> 00:29:52.619
actress and this is a thankless role, I think.

636
00:29:52.680 --> 00:29:55.319
I think this is just deliberate overcasting.

637
00:29:55.380 --> 00:29:56.220
Do you know what it means?

638
00:29:56.279 --> 00:29:58.920
Should they get someone in who has done a big role in another

639
00:29:58.920 --> 00:29:59.759
genre thing?

640
00:29:59.819 --> 00:30:01.980
Okay, Isaac, she's a regular.

641
00:30:01.980 --> 00:30:03.720
I was going, well, I'm going to watch that now.

642
00:30:03.720 --> 00:30:07.079
Because I remember when I heard Isaacs was in this, I was like

643
00:30:07.079 --> 00:30:08.160
yeah, I'm on board.

644
00:30:08.279 --> 00:30:10.200
He's really great.

645
00:30:10.259 --> 00:30:11.940
He's so good.

646
00:30:11.940 --> 00:30:13.380
He's so sexy as well.

647
00:30:13.440 --> 00:30:14.460
Oh my god.

648
00:30:14.519 --> 00:30:16.619
He gets very sweaty.

649
00:30:16.680 --> 00:30:18.599
The more evil he is.

650
00:30:18.660 --> 00:30:19.740
The hotter he is.

651
00:30:19.799 --> 00:30:23.640
When he's stamping that guy's head in that episode.

652
00:30:23.759 --> 00:30:27.720
No, when he was surrounded by all the corpses at the end of this

653
00:30:27.720 --> 00:30:30.119
episode, I was like, was it hot in here, you know?

654
00:30:30.539 --> 00:30:33.059
Oh, Jimmy Law a couple leaves.

655
00:30:33.119 --> 00:30:35.460
He has a treble on his desk. that open.

656
00:30:35.519 --> 00:30:36.779
He does, yeah, at the end.

657
00:30:36.839 --> 00:30:37.440
Yeah.

658
00:30:37.500 --> 00:30:40.799
I mean, we're not in Kansas anymore, Dorothy, are we?

659
00:30:40.859 --> 00:30:44.700
There's a gone skeleton in that room as well.

660
00:30:44.759 --> 00:30:47.400
Yeah, they try to do it in Picard.

661
00:30:47.460 --> 00:30:51.059
It was a good moment in episode 2 of series 2 of Picardo, all the

662
00:30:51.059 --> 00:30:53.519
skeletons of people, but this was more shocking because it came

663
00:30:53.519 --> 00:30:53.759
first.

664
00:30:53.819 --> 00:30:58.319
Well exactly. that's right You can't dissect a trible from the

665
00:30:58.319 --> 00:31:00.240
best comedy episode of TOS.

666
00:31:01.500 --> 00:31:04.380
What are you thinking, Brian Fuller?

667
00:31:04.440 --> 00:31:07.680
Well, they made it for me. some more, Brian.

668
00:31:07.740 --> 00:31:08.099
Come on.

669
00:31:11.160 --> 00:31:13.799
I'm just perverse when it comes to Star Trek.

670
00:31:13.859 --> 00:31:14.700
Yeah, a bit.

671
00:31:14.759 --> 00:31:19.619
So the, I mean, the other thing too, which is kind of, which is

672
00:31:19.619 --> 00:31:25.500
cool is that he's just lying to her and she knows that he is.

673
00:31:25.559 --> 00:31:30.599
And so this is the captain of the ship and he's a prick already.

674
00:31:30.660 --> 00:31:33.180
He's like upsetting.

675
00:31:33.240 --> 00:31:35.640
And look at her reaction to him as well.

676
00:31:35.700 --> 00:31:37.740
Like she just doesn't get it.

677
00:31:38.099 --> 00:31:41.279
Yeah, she's like, this is not my world, all right?

678
00:31:41.339 --> 00:31:44.880
And I realised I did bad things and you think I'm desperate for

679
00:31:44.880 --> 00:31:48.779
some kind of approval and career that I'll do any lengths of what

680
00:31:48.779 --> 00:31:53.579
you want to meet your evil aims, but I am not that person.

681
00:31:53.640 --> 00:31:58.859
But also, I think too, like there is something about her wanting

682
00:31:58.859 --> 00:32:04.019
to punish herself that she deserves this for the mutiny.

683
00:32:04.079 --> 00:32:05.579
And remember...

684
00:32:05.579 --> 00:32:06.420
We should get over that then.

685
00:32:07.319 --> 00:32:11.700
Because eventually she just embraces her role as, you know, centre

686
00:32:11.700 --> 00:32:13.500
of the entire universe later on in the show.

687
00:32:13.559 --> 00:32:15.660
Well, main character in the show, right?

688
00:32:15.720 --> 00:32:16.740
And then the captain.

689
00:32:16.799 --> 00:32:23.160
Um, so, so, I don't know, like, it doesn't last very long, I think

690
00:32:23.160 --> 00:32:29.039
and it is basically partly the story of her kind of, of, um, moving

691
00:32:29.039 --> 00:32:34.619
beyond that, um, but she, she thinks she should be punished and is

692
00:32:34.619 --> 00:32:37.920
just prepared to, you know, go and continue her life sentence.

693
00:32:37.980 --> 00:32:40.259
It's another odd approach, though, right?

694
00:32:40.319 --> 00:32:43.920
Because, like, I've seen Sanequa in series 3, episode one, where

695
00:32:43.920 --> 00:32:47.339
she's high as a kayat laughing a red off and just the most

696
00:32:47.339 --> 00:32:49.140
charismatic presence on the screen.

697
00:32:49.200 --> 00:32:50.519
I mean, what's this?

698
00:32:50.579 --> 00:32:52.619
She barely looks up in this episode.

699
00:32:52.680 --> 00:32:54.720
I think she's really compelling though.

700
00:32:54.779 --> 00:32:56.579
We're very, very good.

701
00:32:56.640 --> 00:32:58.500
But it's an odd approach, right?

702
00:32:58.559 --> 00:32:59.400
To start your show.

703
00:32:59.460 --> 00:33:02.160
Well, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

704
00:33:02.220 --> 00:33:06.240
But I guess, you know, seeing her at her lowest and then watching

705
00:33:06.240 --> 00:33:12.539
the inevitable kind of rise, you know, where she, you know, like

706
00:33:12.539 --> 00:33:16.019
the show, I think they overcompensate a bit, though, they make her

707
00:33:16.019 --> 00:33:19.619
a bit too, too important by the end of the show.

708
00:33:19.680 --> 00:33:23.579
But like I just think that that's not a complaint for some reason

709
00:33:23.579 --> 00:33:25.799
that we make about Kirk and Picard.

710
00:33:25.859 --> 00:33:26.880
Do you know what I mean?

711
00:33:26.940 --> 00:33:29.880
Like, even though they are also the main characters and the

712
00:33:29.880 --> 00:33:31.619
most...

713
00:33:31.619 --> 00:33:34.440
Yeah, they're the pricks of their respective shows as well. let's

714
00:33:34.440 --> 00:33:39.900
be honest So here is Mary for the 1st time is Tilly.

715
00:33:39.960 --> 00:33:41.519
Always someone smiling.

716
00:33:41.579 --> 00:33:42.119
Hurrah.

717
00:33:43.200 --> 00:33:45.240
You know what I love about her?

718
00:33:45.240 --> 00:33:47.940
And I don't, I don't want this to come out.

719
00:33:48.000 --> 00:33:52.200
I love how she is a little weightier than you would expect in Star

720
00:33:52.200 --> 00:33:52.619
Trek.

721
00:33:52.680 --> 00:33:54.599
She's got spots on her face that they've covered up with

722
00:33:54.599 --> 00:33:55.259
Foundation.

723
00:33:55.319 --> 00:33:56.579
She's a redhead.

724
00:33:56.640 --> 00:34:00.119
She is not your typical Star Trek babe, okay?

725
00:34:00.180 --> 00:34:05.640
But she's sexy as hell because she smiles and she's got energy.

726
00:34:05.700 --> 00:34:09.599
There is just an energy about her that you, and she's not formed

727
00:34:09.599 --> 00:34:12.659
here either because I said to you, she comes across as someone

728
00:34:12.659 --> 00:34:16.320
with ADHD in this scene. she just talking 10 to the dozen about a

729
00:34:16.320 --> 00:34:19.800
1000000 things and they're making her as eccentric as she can

730
00:34:19.800 --> 00:34:20.219
possibly be.

731
00:34:20.340 --> 00:34:21.659
That's the idea right?

732
00:34:21.719 --> 00:34:26.039
Like she snores and she has allergies and um, you know, she says

733
00:34:26.039 --> 00:34:28.380
something about having special needs and stuff.

734
00:34:28.440 --> 00:34:34.440
But it's only episode 7 that we see her at the party wanting to

735
00:34:34.440 --> 00:34:35.579
come off with a song.

736
00:34:35.639 --> 00:34:37.199
She much more form there, isn't she?

737
00:34:37.260 --> 00:34:37.800
Yeah, yeah.

738
00:34:37.860 --> 00:34:40.800
But, you know, eventually she becomes Captain Tilly.

739
00:34:40.860 --> 00:34:44.579
Scourge of the 7 seas or whatever it is, you know, Tilly, I

740
00:34:44.579 --> 00:34:45.000
think.

741
00:34:45.420 --> 00:34:48.599
For fuck's sake. wonderful.

742
00:34:48.659 --> 00:34:52.980
And I think come like series 3 series 4 when she's in it.

743
00:34:53.159 --> 00:34:55.679
She's just one of the best characters.

744
00:34:55.739 --> 00:35:00.239
Do you know when I realised they'd figured her out perfectly was

745
00:35:00.239 --> 00:35:03.360
that scene where she sings with Stamets in the 2nd series.

746
00:35:03.420 --> 00:35:06.360
They sing, is it the Beatles or something like that?

747
00:35:06.420 --> 00:35:10.079
I can't remember He's trying to calm her down so she can achieve

748
00:35:10.079 --> 00:35:13.019
something and they just sing a Beatles medley together.

749
00:35:13.079 --> 00:35:17.760
It's gorgeous Well, you know, there was the episode where she sort

750
00:35:17.760 --> 00:35:21.059
of says farewell in the middle of series four, which we actually

751
00:35:21.059 --> 00:35:23.219
rolled and decided not to do.

752
00:35:23.760 --> 00:35:28.199
But we've come a long way from that purple blood in the air in

753
00:35:28.199 --> 00:35:29.699
Star Trek 6, haven't we?

754
00:35:30.059 --> 00:35:32.159
liquid hanging in the air.

755
00:35:32.280 --> 00:35:36.539
Actually, even archer at a moment like that in the shower when all

756
00:35:36.539 --> 00:35:39.179
the droplets sort of froze in the air.

757
00:35:39.239 --> 00:35:41.039
But it all looked a bit like quicksilver.

758
00:35:41.099 --> 00:35:42.239
That actually looked like water.

759
00:35:42.300 --> 00:35:45.480
We decide not to really go with that, but apparently that's

760
00:35:45.480 --> 00:35:48.179
something that happens whenever we jump and we don't know what a

761
00:35:48.179 --> 00:35:49.199
black alert is.

762
00:35:49.260 --> 00:35:51.239
We've never heard of it as Star Trek.

763
00:35:51.239 --> 00:35:53.159
We can't away from it usually, you know, it does happen for the

764
00:35:53.159 --> 00:35:55.559
rest of the time, but we just, yeah, we can't wait for those

765
00:35:55.559 --> 00:35:55.860
scenes.

766
00:35:55.920 --> 00:35:57.360
Yeah, they don't they don't dwell on it.

767
00:35:57.420 --> 00:36:00.360
It's like Janeway fiddling with her badge, you know, it happens

768
00:36:00.360 --> 00:36:01.019
every week.

769
00:36:01.320 --> 00:36:04.500
Oh, look at all the crow looking at her.

770
00:36:04.800 --> 00:36:09.960
Jesus Christ, I thought Starfleet was about acceptance and loving

771
00:36:09.960 --> 00:36:10.199
people.

772
00:36:10.260 --> 00:36:14.159
This is what a war does to you, you know, it makes you very

773
00:36:14.159 --> 00:36:14.820
unpleasant.

774
00:36:14.940 --> 00:36:17.039
I mean, this scene is amazing.

775
00:36:17.400 --> 00:36:19.619
The way that Saru walks.

776
00:36:19.679 --> 00:36:23.519
You know, just hit the, like his gait is so strange.

777
00:36:23.579 --> 00:36:25.500
So camp, isn't he?

778
00:36:25.559 --> 00:36:27.539
He's so much taller than her.

779
00:36:27.599 --> 00:36:29.099
Like, he's twice.

780
00:36:29.099 --> 00:36:32.820
I've not seen a walk like that since Wayoon, you know?

781
00:36:32.880 --> 00:36:35.159
But on Mimsy Walk.

782
00:36:35.219 --> 00:36:39.000
When he's not got something in his hands, you remember that his

783
00:36:39.000 --> 00:36:42.900
hands move side to side behind his back as he walks, like he has a

784
00:36:42.900 --> 00:36:44.280
very strange walk.

785
00:36:44.340 --> 00:36:47.340
It's such a great makeup job as well.

786
00:36:47.400 --> 00:36:50.340
Like, it's not just, you know, I think the makeup's nothing

787
00:36:50.340 --> 00:36:52.440
without the actor and the body language.

788
00:36:52.500 --> 00:36:56.639
Oh, we've seen great makeup jobs where people have stomped about

789
00:36:56.639 --> 00:36:59.280
looking really awkward before, you know?

790
00:36:59.340 --> 00:37:01.440
Remember those Ferengis in the last outpost?

791
00:37:01.500 --> 00:37:05.760
Yeah, but this is Doug Jones, you know, who's made a career of

792
00:37:05.760 --> 00:37:07.619
doing the prosthetics and stuff like that.

793
00:37:07.679 --> 00:37:10.619
I still shudder, you know, no matter how nice he is as Saru

794
00:37:10.619 --> 00:37:13.679
because I can, in my mind's eye, I can still see the gentleman

795
00:37:13.679 --> 00:37:18.179
gliding past the window, grinning whilst Christoph Beck's strings

796
00:37:18.179 --> 00:37:19.380
are in my ear.

797
00:37:19.500 --> 00:37:20.519
Oh my god.

798
00:37:20.639 --> 00:37:22.860
They're like so scary.

799
00:37:22.920 --> 00:37:25.320
Has he done lots of horrors then?

800
00:37:25.380 --> 00:37:26.880
I think so, yeah, yeah.

801
00:37:26.940 --> 00:37:30.000
And he's also the fish that they have sex with in shape of water.

802
00:37:30.059 --> 00:37:32.940
I like this scene so much.

803
00:37:33.000 --> 00:37:35.039
Like, I like this scene so much.

804
00:37:35.099 --> 00:37:36.840
It's about Giorgio's death.

805
00:37:36.840 --> 00:37:40.500
And like, it's just like, she never thought she would ever see him

806
00:37:40.500 --> 00:37:41.820
again.

807
00:37:41.880 --> 00:37:43.739
You know, she just never thought she would ever see him again.

808
00:37:43.800 --> 00:37:45.599
And here they are.

809
00:37:45.719 --> 00:37:49.619
And like they're properly serious and he's not inclined to forgive

810
00:37:49.619 --> 00:37:52.019
her easily, which I like, you know.

811
00:37:52.079 --> 00:37:55.139
We've come a long way from Tasha's death, haven't we?

812
00:37:55.199 --> 00:37:57.000
Yeah, we're doing the funeral at the end, and then we never

813
00:37:57.000 --> 00:37:59.099
mention it again until 3 seasons.

814
00:37:59.159 --> 00:38:01.559
Oh, I suppose Chad Cia that informed the whole season.

815
00:38:01.619 --> 00:38:02.940
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

816
00:38:03.000 --> 00:38:03.300
Yeah.

817
00:38:03.360 --> 00:38:05.159
But I like that.

818
00:38:05.219 --> 00:38:10.559
I like the we feel her absence. that's why it's so satisfying when

819
00:38:10.559 --> 00:38:12.239
she comes back as, you know, evil.

820
00:38:12.300 --> 00:38:14.219
Evil, space lesbian.

821
00:38:16.320 --> 00:38:17.219
Bisexual.

822
00:38:18.659 --> 00:38:19.980
Wow, yes, yeah.

823
00:38:20.039 --> 00:38:22.800
They're all, they're all, you know, they're all into both sexes in

824
00:38:22.800 --> 00:38:23.579
the mirror universe.

825
00:38:23.639 --> 00:38:28.320
But, um, easily the best thing to ever come out of discovery is in

826
00:38:28.320 --> 00:38:28.980
your show.

827
00:38:29.039 --> 00:38:29.639
Oh, good.

828
00:38:29.639 --> 00:38:30.780
Yeah, just one.

829
00:38:30.780 --> 00:38:34.380
And that much needed dose of edginess in the later years.

830
00:38:34.440 --> 00:38:38.579
Yeah Now what's happening here?

831
00:38:38.880 --> 00:38:42.719
Oh, this is where we are reporting now.

832
00:38:42.719 --> 00:38:44.280
A wonderful scene this.

833
00:38:44.340 --> 00:38:47.340
Yeah, see, all these 2 handers are great, aren't they?

834
00:38:47.400 --> 00:38:48.480
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

835
00:38:48.539 --> 00:38:51.059
But this stammets, this is firstly Tilly though.

836
00:38:51.480 --> 00:38:53.039
As well.

837
00:38:53.099 --> 00:38:57.780
Do you remember, like, like, she tries to, um, seat herself next

838
00:38:57.780 --> 00:39:01.380
to Tilly's station until he lies and says, oh, no, we have

839
00:39:01.380 --> 00:39:03.119
assigned stations, you can't be here.

840
00:39:03.179 --> 00:39:05.880
And then she apologises for it later.

841
00:39:05.940 --> 00:39:08.460
I think that Tilly is nice.

842
00:39:09.179 --> 00:39:11.760
Yeah, but everyone else is horrible.

843
00:39:11.820 --> 00:39:12.300
Awful.

844
00:39:12.360 --> 00:39:13.139
Oh, I see.

845
00:39:13.139 --> 00:39:15.239
Just you find a... that was me in there.

846
00:39:15.300 --> 00:39:16.739
Even if I'm killed, 8000 people.

847
00:39:16.800 --> 00:39:17.760
I'd say, oh, I love.

848
00:39:17.820 --> 00:39:18.719
Get over yourself.

849
00:39:18.780 --> 00:39:20.340
You only work at that console, you know.

850
00:39:20.400 --> 00:39:21.300
Yeah, yeah.

851
00:39:21.900 --> 00:39:24.119
She goes, what's this all about?

852
00:39:24.179 --> 00:39:25.500
This stacious chamber here.

853
00:39:25.920 --> 00:39:28.739
What technology are you working on?

854
00:39:28.800 --> 00:39:30.239
I told you it's a ship of secrets.

855
00:39:30.300 --> 00:39:32.340
Yeah, it's great, isn't it?

856
00:39:32.400 --> 00:39:33.480
What are they hiding?

857
00:39:33.599 --> 00:39:38.340
So it's a, so it's a tardigrade, is that what makes the ship spin

858
00:39:38.340 --> 00:39:41.159
eventually and go off into...

859
00:39:41.219 --> 00:39:42.780
It doesn't survive long, does it?

860
00:39:42.840 --> 00:39:43.980
It's only in like 2 episodes.

861
00:39:44.880 --> 00:39:47.460
Because it's another thing too.

862
00:39:47.519 --> 00:39:50.760
Now they're torturing an animal in order to make the spore drive

863
00:39:50.760 --> 00:39:54.000
work and they have to decide not to do that.

864
00:39:54.059 --> 00:39:58.260
Okay, I will say, all right, I do like this dark underbelly of

865
00:39:58.260 --> 00:39:58.860
Star Trek.

866
00:39:58.920 --> 00:40:00.179
That is my limit, though.

867
00:40:00.300 --> 00:40:00.780
Alright.

868
00:40:00.840 --> 00:40:02.699
Torturing animals is off the cast.

869
00:40:02.760 --> 00:40:03.360
No.

870
00:40:03.360 --> 00:40:05.340
But I mean, that's what they appear to be doing.

871
00:40:05.340 --> 00:40:09.239
And it is a sort of primitive, like it's a big scary monster, as

872
00:40:09.239 --> 00:40:13.079
we saw, but the reason that like brings it on board. my celial

873
00:40:13.079 --> 00:40:13.559
spores.

874
00:40:13.619 --> 00:40:15.179
I don't know, it's magic.

875
00:40:15.300 --> 00:40:21.119
And eventually, obviously, um, Stammets takes that role on when

876
00:40:21.119 --> 00:40:23.880
they get when they let the Tardigrade go.

877
00:40:23.940 --> 00:40:27.599
It's worth mentioning that, you know, because, you know me, tender

878
00:40:27.599 --> 00:40:29.219
people goes in one era and out the other.

879
00:40:29.280 --> 00:40:31.800
But I remember the words mycelial spores.

880
00:40:31.860 --> 00:40:34.199
Yeah, it's very strange.

881
00:40:34.260 --> 00:40:35.519
That's the other thing too.

882
00:40:35.579 --> 00:40:39.059
This is like not a thing that we've had in Star Trek before.

883
00:40:39.119 --> 00:40:47.400
So the mushrooms, like literally spores cause this strange

884
00:40:47.460 --> 00:40:48.719
interesting scene, isn't it?

885
00:40:48.719 --> 00:40:51.179
when you see all the spores coming from the mushrooms.

886
00:40:51.239 --> 00:40:52.199
It's not in this one, is it?

887
00:40:52.260 --> 00:40:53.219
It's later on.

888
00:40:53.880 --> 00:40:54.840
Oh, is this one?

889
00:40:54.900 --> 00:40:56.519
Yeah, because she goes...

890
00:40:56.519 --> 00:40:57.599
I watched her this morning.

891
00:40:57.659 --> 00:40:58.619
Yeah, yeah.

892
00:40:58.679 --> 00:41:00.059
So we we see that.

893
00:41:00.119 --> 00:41:06.719
And of course, when Lorker shows her the drive in the final scene

894
00:41:06.719 --> 00:41:11.760
or, you know, towards the end of the episode, she's in that fish

895
00:41:11.760 --> 00:41:14.039
tank full of sort of glowing spores.

896
00:41:14.099 --> 00:41:18.599
Like, in no way, yeah, if I was on this ship, in no way would I

897
00:41:18.599 --> 00:41:19.739
want to be Culpa's friend.

898
00:41:19.800 --> 00:41:20.940
He just too nice, yeah.

899
00:41:21.000 --> 00:41:24.179
Whereas I would be desperate to be Stammets's friend.

900
00:41:24.239 --> 00:41:29.519
He would know all the goss on everyone, you know. so horrible.

901
00:41:30.239 --> 00:41:33.840
Like that's not where we land with him, though.

902
00:41:33.900 --> 00:41:35.460
And I think like he...

903
00:41:35.460 --> 00:41:36.780
He still has an age stories.

904
00:41:36.840 --> 00:41:38.820
He can be unpleasant.

905
00:41:38.880 --> 00:41:42.000
But I mean, what's really happening here is that he resents

906
00:41:42.000 --> 00:41:42.840
Lorker.

907
00:41:42.900 --> 00:41:44.159
Like, he resents what's happened.

908
00:41:44.159 --> 00:41:44.880
And we get it.

909
00:41:44.940 --> 00:41:49.559
We get it here because this is his partner, his research partner

910
00:41:49.559 --> 00:41:54.300
and he later says, when the war started, because of you, Michael

911
00:41:54.300 --> 00:41:58.320
Burnham, when the war started, we were split up and we were put on

912
00:41:58.320 --> 00:42:03.539
board these ships in order to aid the war effort, you know, um, and

913
00:42:03.539 --> 00:42:06.960
so having, you know, what he's really, what he really cares about

914
00:42:06.960 --> 00:42:11.099
is being perverted by Lawker, and that's why he's insolent, like

915
00:42:11.099 --> 00:42:12.840
openly insolent to law.

916
00:42:13.320 --> 00:42:13.679
I like it.

917
00:42:14.159 --> 00:42:17.699
And I like an actor that is willing to come in and be this

918
00:42:17.699 --> 00:42:21.659
unlikeable from the off because I don't think you get it an awful

919
00:42:21.659 --> 00:42:26.159
lot in American shows or even if they're written as unlikeable.

920
00:42:26.219 --> 00:42:28.079
They try and put in some charm.

921
00:42:28.139 --> 00:42:28.920
So it's...

922
00:42:28.920 --> 00:42:33.659
No, he just comes in. horrible to her in this scene.

923
00:42:33.719 --> 00:42:36.420
Walks out, like you said, he blames her for the war later on.

924
00:42:36.480 --> 00:42:39.360
There's really, like at this point, there's no great redeeming

925
00:42:39.360 --> 00:42:41.579
moment for him in the series.

926
00:42:41.639 --> 00:42:44.099
And it did take me a long time to warm to him.

927
00:42:44.159 --> 00:42:46.800
But then I just realised I like hanging out with bastards.

928
00:42:46.860 --> 00:42:48.059
So now I love it.

929
00:42:48.119 --> 00:42:53.880
I mean, I think that he's, he's, he's, um, this is so funny.

930
00:42:53.940 --> 00:42:56.460
Tilly dribbles in her sleep.

931
00:42:56.460 --> 00:42:57.659
Do you see the dribble on the pillow?

932
00:42:57.719 --> 00:42:59.940
snores, she snores as well.

933
00:43:00.000 --> 00:43:02.099
That's so...

934
00:43:02.159 --> 00:43:03.239
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

935
00:43:03.300 --> 00:43:06.420
You know, do you not remember seeing all the people in 90s track

936
00:43:06.420 --> 00:43:07.980
asleep decorously?

937
00:43:08.039 --> 00:43:09.599
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

938
00:43:09.659 --> 00:43:12.420
Uncomfortable beds that they sleep in.

939
00:43:12.480 --> 00:43:15.659
That's how she gets through the biometric.

940
00:43:16.920 --> 00:43:19.320
Look at all these lovely spores.

941
00:43:19.380 --> 00:43:20.579
Yeah, yeah.

942
00:43:20.639 --> 00:43:23.219
Yeah, it's very strange, isn't it?

943
00:43:23.280 --> 00:43:25.320
I love the subtitles.

944
00:43:25.380 --> 00:43:26.820
She gasps softly.

945
00:43:26.880 --> 00:43:28.619
Water trickles.

946
00:43:28.679 --> 00:43:33.059
No, no, but it's doing something that I've seen quite a bit in

947
00:43:33.059 --> 00:43:36.119
science fiction movies and that is, you know, the forest in the

948
00:43:36.119 --> 00:43:36.780
middle of the ship.

949
00:43:36.840 --> 00:43:38.280
Yeah, yeah. gorgeous.

950
00:43:38.400 --> 00:43:39.420
Yeah.

951
00:43:39.480 --> 00:43:41.400
Oh, here we go.

952
00:43:41.460 --> 00:43:42.300
Captain Norca.

953
00:43:42.840 --> 00:43:45.239
Gosh, discovery looks beautiful.

954
00:43:45.300 --> 00:43:51.539
Can I can I say, though, I was disappointed that Lawker turned out

955
00:43:51.539 --> 00:43:54.300
to be like an evil alternative universe version?

956
00:43:54.360 --> 00:43:56.340
Just because I was so interested in his character.

957
00:43:56.400 --> 00:44:01.019
And to me, that was sort of the laziest exploration as to why he

958
00:44:01.019 --> 00:44:02.820
was a bad boy.

959
00:44:02.880 --> 00:44:05.880
I just like the idea of a really bad captain.

960
00:44:05.940 --> 00:44:11.039
Yeah, but I think that the, I think, though, that the Mirror

961
00:44:11.039 --> 00:44:15.059
Universe is kind of like our end point, like where we're heading

962
00:44:15.059 --> 00:44:17.340
towards in this.

963
00:44:17.400 --> 00:44:20.760
And so that's the role it plays kind of thematically in the in the

964
00:44:20.760 --> 00:44:21.300
story.

965
00:44:21.360 --> 00:44:23.639
And so he has to be from there, I think.

966
00:44:23.699 --> 00:44:27.599
But like your show proved that you could have somebody from that

967
00:44:27.599 --> 00:44:31.739
universe as a regular in the show and it worked like gangbusters.

968
00:44:31.800 --> 00:44:32.699
I don't know.

969
00:44:32.760 --> 00:44:33.780
I just don't want to lose him.

970
00:44:33.840 --> 00:44:38.639
No, she's a comedy character mostly, though, isn't she?

971
00:44:38.699 --> 00:44:41.099
Like, that's kind of that's what they do.

972
00:44:41.159 --> 00:44:42.840
I love it round the table.

973
00:44:42.900 --> 00:44:45.119
She's like, oh, are you done?

974
00:44:45.360 --> 00:44:48.780
But I don't think you could do that with Lawker.

975
00:44:48.840 --> 00:44:52.019
And I think that you want Lorca soundly killed at the end of it.

976
00:44:52.079 --> 00:44:53.519
Like that's actually quite cathartic.

977
00:44:53.579 --> 00:44:57.539
But you have like, you know, Garak's a semi-regular and he's

978
00:44:57.539 --> 00:44:59.280
emerged.

979
00:44:59.340 --> 00:45:00.300
He's a murderer.

980
00:45:00.360 --> 00:45:02.219
I just think I think they could have found a way.

981
00:45:02.280 --> 00:45:05.940
If he wanted the work, you know, but he doesn't need the work.

982
00:45:06.000 --> 00:45:07.139
He don't need Star Trek.

983
00:45:07.199 --> 00:45:09.239
No, but he's horrible.

984
00:45:09.300 --> 00:45:13.559
Like he's like got a real personality disorder and he's a real

985
00:45:13.559 --> 00:45:15.719
kind of fascist asshole.

986
00:45:15.780 --> 00:45:21.179
Like he's a bad person. say, Ducat is puffies and roses, you

987
00:45:21.179 --> 00:45:21.480
know?

988
00:45:21.539 --> 00:45:24.300
I mean, he's funny and genial and everyone loves him and stuff.

989
00:45:24.360 --> 00:45:25.079
Do you know what I mean?

990
00:45:25.139 --> 00:45:29.579
Like he's, he's, you know, he doesn't, like all of his stuff, his

991
00:45:29.579 --> 00:45:30.659
backstory and stuff.

992
00:45:30.719 --> 00:45:34.079
We see him do bad things, but not really.

993
00:45:34.199 --> 00:45:37.079
You certainly, you know, you can't imagine a scene where Garrick

994
00:45:37.079 --> 00:45:42.719
just stomps someone's head and kills them, which is...

995
00:45:42.780 --> 00:45:43.860
Yeah, but you would never do that.

996
00:45:43.980 --> 00:45:47.820
It was that great episode where he's got to unleash the quantum

997
00:45:47.820 --> 00:45:50.639
torpedoes on the founder planet.

998
00:45:50.699 --> 00:45:55.380
Don't tell me you, Mr. Worf, you'd object to a little genocide in

999
00:45:55.380 --> 00:45:57.059
the side, in the name of honour.

1000
00:45:57.239 --> 00:46:00.480
But like all of that stuff is.

1001
00:46:00.539 --> 00:46:01.260
Do you know what I mean?

1002
00:46:01.320 --> 00:46:04.559
Like, and part of the problem with Garak, is that he, you know, and

1003
00:46:04.559 --> 00:46:07.019
that's one of the things that they address in Empoc Noor, is that

1004
00:46:07.019 --> 00:46:10.679
he becomes a little bit too much part of the family, I think, and

1005
00:46:10.679 --> 00:46:13.800
that's irresistible because just of the child...

1006
00:46:13.800 --> 00:46:15.480
Well, the show does as well, doesn't she, really?

1007
00:46:15.539 --> 00:46:16.320
Yeah, well, that's right.

1008
00:46:16.380 --> 00:46:18.840
She becomes a comedy character in the same way, but I don't think

1009
00:46:18.840 --> 00:46:20.099
you can do that with law, calm.

1010
00:46:20.159 --> 00:46:24.119
She's just there to punish the balloon of sentiment all the time.

1011
00:46:24.179 --> 00:46:26.519
It's so, oh my god, I breathe a sigh of relief.

1012
00:46:26.579 --> 00:46:27.420
Every line she gets.

1013
00:46:27.480 --> 00:46:28.440
So good.

1014
00:46:29.219 --> 00:46:33.599
So now we literally are doing a 90s Shrek episode, so we've

1015
00:46:33.599 --> 00:46:36.119
established that there's a ship we need to go to, right?

1016
00:46:36.179 --> 00:46:37.920
And in a minute, we walk around.

1017
00:46:37.980 --> 00:46:39.960
It's a dark ship, tumic terrible's happened.

1018
00:46:40.019 --> 00:46:40.860
There corpses everywhere.

1019
00:46:40.920 --> 00:46:44.159
We've done this in TNG a couple of times, you know, Voyager, stuff

1020
00:46:44.159 --> 00:46:45.719
like that. gruesomely, isn't this?

1021
00:46:45.840 --> 00:46:48.119
We go running around Jeffrey's tubes and up ladders.

1022
00:46:48.179 --> 00:46:52.380
So, you know, I do think there is a nod here to the trek you sort

1023
00:46:52.380 --> 00:46:52.739
of expect.

1024
00:46:52.800 --> 00:46:54.360
And he's still Star Trek.

1025
00:46:54.420 --> 00:46:55.739
It still has to be Star Trek.

1026
00:46:55.800 --> 00:46:57.780
I mean, this bit is about 10 minutes long.

1027
00:46:57.840 --> 00:47:03.840
So one thing that I want to mention is that the shuttle pilot is

1028
00:47:03.840 --> 00:47:09.360
the same actor who plays the communications officer later.

1029
00:47:09.420 --> 00:47:14.099
So in about episode five, um, and so let's just say it's the same

1030
00:47:14.099 --> 00:47:14.400
person.

1031
00:47:14.460 --> 00:47:18.480
It's Bryce, who is the communications officer and is on the bridge

1032
00:47:18.480 --> 00:47:19.920
for quite a long period of time.

1033
00:47:19.980 --> 00:47:23.039
He becomes unavailable during the show's run and he tends to

1034
00:47:23.039 --> 00:47:26.219
alternate with Christopher, who has the same role.

1035
00:47:26.400 --> 00:47:28.619
People have days off, you know?

1036
00:47:28.679 --> 00:47:30.000
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1037
00:47:30.059 --> 00:47:30.360
Yeah.

1038
00:47:30.420 --> 00:47:34.079
That's one of the things that I like about this too, is that

1039
00:47:34.079 --> 00:47:37.019
because she's not the captain.

1040
00:47:37.079 --> 00:47:40.860
She doesn't have a relationship with the bridge crew.

1041
00:47:40.920 --> 00:47:42.960
And so they're not the people who are important in her world

1042
00:47:42.960 --> 00:47:45.000
because she's the main character here.

1043
00:47:45.059 --> 00:47:46.019
So refreshing.

1044
00:47:46.079 --> 00:47:48.360
We don't get to know the bridge crew.

1045
00:47:48.360 --> 00:47:51.659
And that's, you know, they walk away from that a little bit in

1046
00:47:51.659 --> 00:47:53.519
series too.

1047
00:47:53.579 --> 00:47:54.420
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1048
00:47:54.480 --> 00:47:55.199
But I do like that.

1049
00:47:55.380 --> 00:47:57.840
I mean, I like the bridge crew as well.

1050
00:47:57.900 --> 00:47:59.760
And I like the crew, they sort of settle on.

1051
00:47:59.820 --> 00:48:02.940
But I don't know, this is this is more interesting.

1052
00:48:03.000 --> 00:48:04.440
Yeah, I think so.

1053
00:48:04.500 --> 00:48:07.500
It's a more interesting look at a side of Star Trek we don't

1054
00:48:07.500 --> 00:48:08.159
usually get to see.

1055
00:48:08.219 --> 00:48:12.179
Yeah, it's we don't ever really get to know any of them very

1056
00:48:12.179 --> 00:48:12.480
well.

1057
00:48:12.599 --> 00:48:14.639
They are kind of scenery.

1058
00:48:14.699 --> 00:48:16.739
I mean, in in a real way.

1059
00:48:16.800 --> 00:48:20.579
I mean, they do start throwing bones to Detma and Owo.

1060
00:48:20.639 --> 00:48:23.760
They do get moments in those later seasons, which I think the

1061
00:48:23.760 --> 00:48:25.980
actors must have been like, oh, thank God, you know.

1062
00:48:26.039 --> 00:48:29.880
How long do I have to see it pushing buttons before I get a line?

1063
00:48:29.940 --> 00:48:31.800
they're both great as well.

1064
00:48:31.860 --> 00:48:33.360
I mean they are both really good.

1065
00:48:33.900 --> 00:48:37.860
But, you know, Bryce and Reese and stuff.

1066
00:48:37.920 --> 00:48:40.139
We see them all the time but we don't really get to know them.

1067
00:48:40.500 --> 00:48:42.599
I mean, this is wonderful.

1068
00:48:42.659 --> 00:48:43.079
Look at this.

1069
00:48:43.139 --> 00:48:45.719
You never would have done this in TNG.

1070
00:48:45.780 --> 00:48:49.199
You constantly see that ship getting closer and closer throughout

1071
00:48:49.199 --> 00:48:50.760
the window as we're going to.

1072
00:48:50.820 --> 00:48:51.239
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1073
00:48:51.719 --> 00:48:52.619
It looks so good.

1074
00:48:52.679 --> 00:48:54.179
It's out of focus in the background.

1075
00:48:54.239 --> 00:48:55.199
It just looks stunning.

1076
00:48:55.260 --> 00:48:57.119
I think even for the time.

1077
00:48:57.179 --> 00:48:58.679
This is ambitious.

1078
00:48:58.739 --> 00:49:00.059
You know, yeah.

1079
00:49:00.059 --> 00:49:01.679
I just remember I can't think of much.

1080
00:49:01.739 --> 00:49:04.679
I mean, had we had we'd had Battlestarcle Acts, couldn't we?

1081
00:49:04.739 --> 00:49:07.079
I mean, special effects in that were pretty extraordinary as

1082
00:49:07.079 --> 00:49:07.320
well.

1083
00:49:08.460 --> 00:49:13.739
But yeah, but I think this is more detailed and clearer and

1084
00:49:13.739 --> 00:49:14.460
staff.

1085
00:49:14.519 --> 00:49:19.860
And I think the combination of those effects with live action is

1086
00:49:19.860 --> 00:49:21.119
pretty amazing as well.

1087
00:49:21.360 --> 00:49:28.380
Like, I do like the music in discovery.

1088
00:49:28.440 --> 00:49:32.039
I do think it is, obviously, it's a step up from 90s trek all that

1089
00:49:32.039 --> 00:49:32.639
wallpaper.

1090
00:49:32.699 --> 00:49:35.699
Um, I don't know, but then when I think of something like Bear

1091
00:49:35.699 --> 00:49:39.360
Acreary's work, About a Star, it's just not a patch on that app.

1092
00:49:39.420 --> 00:49:43.320
No, or like Mark Snow in the X-Files, you know, they're kind of

1093
00:49:43.320 --> 00:49:44.159
alternative.

1094
00:49:44.219 --> 00:49:46.019
Christoph Beck in Buffy, you know.

1095
00:49:46.079 --> 00:49:48.420
Yeah, yeah, yeah. movie scorer.

1096
00:49:48.480 --> 00:49:49.559
I forgot.

1097
00:49:49.619 --> 00:49:52.559
I mean, I tend to listen to...

1098
00:49:52.619 --> 00:49:53.699
Yeah.

1099
00:49:54.000 --> 00:49:57.840
We thought we saw the worst in the Gorn episode of Strange New

1100
00:49:57.840 --> 00:49:58.199
Worlds.

1101
00:49:58.260 --> 00:49:59.699
This is a load of mashed up bodies.

1102
00:49:59.820 --> 00:50:03.480
Yeah, so something has happened to the geometry of the ship.

1103
00:50:03.539 --> 00:50:08.099
They talk about there being spiral kind of patterns on the outside

1104
00:50:08.099 --> 00:50:12.119
of the ship and all of these people have been kind of twisted and

1105
00:50:12.119 --> 00:50:13.860
torn apart. wonderful.

1106
00:50:13.920 --> 00:50:15.179
Now, we did try and do this.

1107
00:50:15.239 --> 00:50:17.880
You laughed a lot when they did it in Voyager.

1108
00:50:17.940 --> 00:50:21.000
Do you remember that in Scorpion, where they had all the bulk

1109
00:50:21.000 --> 00:50:23.039
heads and things, all as a big sculpture?

1110
00:50:23.159 --> 00:50:25.139
And you went, oh, that looks so terrible.

1111
00:50:25.199 --> 00:50:29.099
But now they can do it realistically now, but they cut away

1112
00:50:29.099 --> 00:50:29.820
quick.

1113
00:50:29.880 --> 00:50:32.460
So you could see the horror, like there, look, all those horrible

1114
00:50:32.460 --> 00:50:33.239
bloody limbs.

1115
00:50:33.300 --> 00:50:35.880
But and all that tomato sauce everywhere.

1116
00:50:35.940 --> 00:50:39.840
But they cut away very fast. that's probably a good move.

1117
00:50:39.900 --> 00:50:43.500
Yeah, yeah. don't think Star Trek wants to dwell on any of that

1118
00:50:43.500 --> 00:50:44.519
sort of staff.

1119
00:50:44.639 --> 00:50:47.940
But and like this is very standard, isn't it?

1120
00:50:48.000 --> 00:50:53.280
But just it's atmospheric because, you know, again...

1121
00:50:53.280 --> 00:50:55.199
They're loying it like a movie, you know?

1122
00:50:55.260 --> 00:50:57.119
It has the style of a movie.

1123
00:50:57.179 --> 00:50:59.159
And you don't have to see everything.

1124
00:50:59.219 --> 00:51:02.280
Like it's okay for the characters to be indistinct. you know what

1125
00:51:02.280 --> 00:51:02.579
I mean?

1126
00:51:02.639 --> 00:51:04.380
Everyone's hair and makeup.

1127
00:51:04.440 --> 00:51:06.420
This happens on Buffy in particular, I think.

1128
00:51:06.659 --> 00:51:10.320
But on Star Trek, the Next Generation, everyone spends so much

1129
00:51:10.320 --> 00:51:13.260
time and makeup that we're going to fucking see them the entire

1130
00:51:13.260 --> 00:51:13.860
time.

1131
00:51:13.920 --> 00:51:15.000
Do you know what I mean?

1132
00:51:15.059 --> 00:51:17.699
And so having flashing lights in the background.

1133
00:51:17.760 --> 00:51:20.820
You know, the camera's not, there's, it's steady cam.

1134
00:51:20.880 --> 00:51:24.659
Things are out of focus, you know, like, I think they do get there

1135
00:51:24.659 --> 00:51:27.599
in noise track with the atmosphere, occasionally.

1136
00:51:27.659 --> 00:51:30.000
Like, do you remember the episode, the ship with the upside down

1137
00:51:30.000 --> 00:51:33.300
Gemadar ship and it's all dark and it's all spotlit throughout the

1138
00:51:33.300 --> 00:51:34.139
entire episodes?

1139
00:51:34.199 --> 00:51:38.159
And that zombie one of enterprise where they're on the ship and

1140
00:51:38.159 --> 00:51:42.059
that's pitch black apart from strobe lighting coming in and things

1141
00:51:42.059 --> 00:51:42.420
like that.

1142
00:51:42.480 --> 00:51:43.920
So they can do it.

1143
00:51:43.980 --> 00:51:47.099
They just do it from the off here and they do it all the way

1144
00:51:47.099 --> 00:51:47.340
through.

1145
00:51:47.400 --> 00:51:48.119
Yeah.

1146
00:51:48.119 --> 00:51:48.780
Yeah.

1147
00:51:48.840 --> 00:51:51.179
And so this is their only Klingons as well.

1148
00:51:51.239 --> 00:51:56.280
So Klingons got on board the ship. afterwards.

1149
00:51:56.340 --> 00:52:00.780
So they're not all kind of, I think they say braided. was the term

1150
00:52:00.780 --> 00:52:02.699
that they used to describe the other bodies.

1151
00:52:02.760 --> 00:52:06.840
They've just been torn to pieces by the Tartar. anything like that

1152
00:52:06.840 --> 00:52:09.239
since the last time I went to the butchers, you know?

1153
00:52:09.300 --> 00:52:12.239
and took a look. took a look at his pork chops.

1154
00:52:12.300 --> 00:52:13.139
Oh my word.

1155
00:52:13.500 --> 00:52:15.179
Did you see it?

1156
00:52:15.239 --> 00:52:16.139
was like shredded.

1157
00:52:16.199 --> 00:52:18.840
Yeah, yeah But look at Tilly with the gun.

1158
00:52:18.900 --> 00:52:20.820
She's absolutely fucking selling it.

1159
00:52:20.880 --> 00:52:24.119
She was so mousy and sort of things, but she just says, come out

1160
00:52:24.119 --> 00:52:27.719
of the shadows, you know, like she absolutely kind of owns that.

1161
00:52:27.719 --> 00:52:31.440
And that lighting, there, that strobe light, and that Klingon

1162
00:52:31.440 --> 00:52:32.159
looks amazing.

1163
00:52:32.219 --> 00:52:34.559
Yeah, I think it's not a Klingon.

1164
00:52:34.619 --> 00:52:34.920
What is it?

1165
00:52:34.980 --> 00:52:37.500
Oh, no, he's just been eaten by the Tardigrade.

1166
00:52:37.800 --> 00:52:39.539
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1167
00:52:39.599 --> 00:52:41.219
I mean, I look at this thing.

1168
00:52:41.280 --> 00:52:43.980
It's so great, isn't it?

1169
00:52:44.039 --> 00:52:45.960
Hulking great blobby monster.

1170
00:52:46.019 --> 00:52:47.340
Yeah.

1171
00:52:47.340 --> 00:52:49.260
Running around the corridor.

1172
00:52:49.380 --> 00:52:50.099
It's great.

1173
00:52:50.159 --> 00:52:53.760
And they run because they've got long corridors, so they can

1174
00:52:53.760 --> 00:52:55.079
actually run.

1175
00:52:55.920 --> 00:52:58.980
You and me would be fucking spreading right away.

1176
00:52:59.039 --> 00:53:03.119
Yeah, I know we're out to seek new wealth and new civilisations

1177
00:53:03.119 --> 00:53:06.059
but if that thing was coming after us, it would run.

1178
00:53:06.059 --> 00:53:10.619
It runs, you know, it's got that sort of weird bear like gate.

1179
00:53:10.679 --> 00:53:11.340
It's amazing.

1180
00:53:11.400 --> 00:53:12.420
It's so good.

1181
00:53:12.480 --> 00:53:17.219
That camera shot through 2 holes there with stabbits inside the

1182
00:53:17.219 --> 00:53:19.019
2nd ship. amazing.

1183
00:53:19.079 --> 00:53:19.920
Yeah.

1184
00:53:19.980 --> 00:53:20.940
Yeah.

1185
00:53:21.000 --> 00:53:22.920
Although I did say to you in a message.

1186
00:53:22.980 --> 00:53:24.960
Apart from this one sequence.

1187
00:53:25.019 --> 00:53:29.940
Oh, the camera work was blissfully stately in this episode. barely

1188
00:53:29.940 --> 00:53:34.920
moved at all. very gracefully went around the rooms, you know, and

1189
00:53:34.920 --> 00:53:36.480
I could see people actually acting.

1190
00:53:36.599 --> 00:53:37.199
It was wonderful.

1191
00:53:37.260 --> 00:53:39.780
Oh, look, and that's his friend.

1192
00:53:39.840 --> 00:53:41.219
That's his friend.

1193
00:53:41.280 --> 00:53:42.719
He's all been braided.

1194
00:53:43.019 --> 00:53:44.820
Prated.

1195
00:53:44.880 --> 00:53:46.440
Yeah, that right. word, isn't it?

1196
00:53:48.719 --> 00:53:52.500
If you've got to do horror, find the right adjective, you know.

1197
00:53:52.559 --> 00:53:53.880
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1198
00:53:53.940 --> 00:53:55.260
It's pretty good, isn't it?

1199
00:53:55.980 --> 00:54:01.380
So they've used the tartar grade because they're doing much better

1200
00:54:01.380 --> 00:54:04.980
at black alert, like they're travelling much faster and further

1201
00:54:04.980 --> 00:54:07.019
than discovery is.

1202
00:54:07.079 --> 00:54:09.420
But this goes wrong.

1203
00:54:09.480 --> 00:54:13.739
Um, And so they're taking take back.

1204
00:54:13.800 --> 00:54:14.280
Yeah.

1205
00:54:14.400 --> 00:54:19.139
So beyond sort of establishing the, I'll keep saying it, a ship of

1206
00:54:19.139 --> 00:54:24.119
secrets, I can't say it very often, beyond establishing the crew, I

1207
00:54:24.119 --> 00:54:27.300
think the other level this is working on is, yeah, we can do a

1208
00:54:27.300 --> 00:54:30.300
traditional Star Trek episode and execute the fuck out of it.

1209
00:54:30.360 --> 00:54:31.199
Yeah, yeah.

1210
00:54:31.260 --> 00:54:31.619
Yeah.

1211
00:54:31.679 --> 00:54:32.280
Yeah.

1212
00:54:32.340 --> 00:54:36.360
I think that that's broadly the remit of Star Trek, Strange New

1213
00:54:36.360 --> 00:54:40.559
Worlds, is doing the kind of the Trek staples, but doing them

1214
00:54:40.559 --> 00:54:45.179
incredibly well and, you know, with modern sensibilities and

1215
00:54:45.179 --> 00:54:49.199
modern storytelling and, and, I thought they're, they're sort

1216
00:54:49.199 --> 00:54:50.639
of...

1217
00:54:50.639 --> 00:54:54.599
And was like, what if um, what if we created a Star Trek anthology

1218
00:54:54.599 --> 00:54:59.039
show where you like every single character and you don't care who

1219
00:54:59.039 --> 00:55:00.119
gets the spotlight this week?

1220
00:55:00.179 --> 00:55:05.159
Unlike Voyager, whereas he is... playing a game of poker. to do

1221
00:55:05.159 --> 00:55:05.280
that.

1222
00:55:05.340 --> 00:55:07.920
So this is not very hard.

1223
00:55:07.980 --> 00:55:13.320
So this is her doing the Alice in Wonderland thing and they talk

1224
00:55:13.320 --> 00:55:17.219
about it in on memory alpha, but what they don't talk about is

1225
00:55:17.219 --> 00:55:20.400
that this is her describing her experience this episode.

1226
00:55:20.460 --> 00:55:21.960
Do you know what I mean?

1227
00:55:22.019 --> 00:55:24.480
Like, like, she was on the Shenzhou.

1228
00:55:24.539 --> 00:55:27.960
It was the season finale of Shenzhou, because she'd been on the

1229
00:55:27.960 --> 00:55:29.039
ship for 7 years.

1230
00:55:29.159 --> 00:55:30.119
Do you know what I mean?

1231
00:55:30.179 --> 00:55:33.539
It was like the big two part finale and it all goes horribly wrong

1232
00:55:33.539 --> 00:55:37.800
because war breaks out and the captain gets killed and now she's

1233
00:55:37.800 --> 00:55:41.760
not in a traditional Star Trek show at all and she's being chased

1234
00:55:41.760 --> 00:55:45.119
by a horrific monster down at Jeffrey's tube and stuff.

1235
00:55:45.239 --> 00:55:47.280
It's like Alice in Wonderland.

1236
00:55:47.340 --> 00:55:50.699
Wow, well, let's do Alice in Wonderland more often then, please

1237
00:55:50.699 --> 00:55:51.480
and start.

1238
00:55:51.539 --> 00:55:54.059
That's why but that's why we do through the looking glass at the

1239
00:55:54.059 --> 00:55:57.840
end of the at the end of the season, you know, because that's the

1240
00:55:57.840 --> 00:55:58.320
sequel.

1241
00:55:58.380 --> 00:56:00.780
We have done that before as well.

1242
00:56:00.840 --> 00:56:03.719
There's literally an episode called Through Looking Glass, yeah.

1243
00:56:03.780 --> 00:56:07.559
In fact, doesn't Kira say at the end of crossover?

1244
00:56:07.559 --> 00:56:08.219
Where have you been?

1245
00:56:08.340 --> 00:56:09.840
Through the looking glass, commander.

1246
00:56:09.900 --> 00:56:12.300
No one goes, how the fuck do you know about that?

1247
00:56:12.360 --> 00:56:14.039
Like, you're a pajoran.

1248
00:56:14.099 --> 00:56:15.239
Yeah, that's right.

1249
00:56:15.360 --> 00:56:20.400
Well, so there's a character bit too. of course, because we know

1250
00:56:20.400 --> 00:56:23.579
that she is the adopted daughter of Sarek.

1251
00:56:23.639 --> 00:56:28.559
But here she mentions Amanda and her brother and that Amanda used

1252
00:56:28.559 --> 00:56:30.900
to read them that.

1253
00:56:31.019 --> 00:56:36.659
Uh, and and it also is just, incidentally, there's Arium as well.

1254
00:56:36.719 --> 00:56:40.260
You were always a good officer until you weren't.

1255
00:56:40.260 --> 00:56:41.340
Until you weren't.

1256
00:56:41.400 --> 00:56:42.539
It's good, isn't it?

1257
00:56:42.599 --> 00:56:43.079
Ouch.

1258
00:56:43.139 --> 00:56:46.559
It was almost touching then until you thrust the blade into her

1259
00:56:46.559 --> 00:56:46.800
heart.

1260
00:56:46.920 --> 00:56:49.739
But, well, he's not he's not blowing smoke.

1261
00:56:49.800 --> 00:56:50.820
He's not glazing it.

1262
00:56:50.880 --> 00:56:51.539
Do you know what I mean?

1263
00:56:51.599 --> 00:56:52.980
Like he's just telling the truth.

1264
00:56:53.039 --> 00:56:55.980
It's like delivering a shit sandwich assessment.

1265
00:56:56.039 --> 00:56:59.639
He went, yes, you were always an asset to Starfleet until you

1266
00:56:59.639 --> 00:57:00.059
weren't.

1267
00:57:00.119 --> 00:57:03.239
But look at her response.

1268
00:57:03.300 --> 00:57:05.639
Like, it's so, she's so beautiful.

1269
00:57:05.699 --> 00:57:09.179
I know, but I just want to, I want to see her rise up from this

1270
00:57:09.179 --> 00:57:09.360
now.

1271
00:57:09.420 --> 00:57:11.099
Yeah, yeah, of course she does.

1272
00:57:11.159 --> 00:57:11.579
You will.

1273
00:57:11.639 --> 00:57:17.280
But just watching her, like just giving her the opportunity to act

1274
00:57:17.280 --> 00:57:20.820
and you know what she's thinking, she just does such a good job of

1275
00:57:20.820 --> 00:57:21.059
her.

1276
00:57:21.539 --> 00:57:26.039
I just love that this very serious scene has what a triple on the

1277
00:57:26.039 --> 00:57:26.519
side of it.

1278
00:57:26.579 --> 00:57:28.739
And he's purring the whole time.

1279
00:57:28.860 --> 00:57:31.260
It's her the whole time.

1280
00:57:31.320 --> 00:57:32.579
It's great. isn't it?

1281
00:57:32.639 --> 00:57:34.380
It's still Star Trek.

1282
00:57:34.440 --> 00:57:36.840
And Chilly's vivisected, of course.

1283
00:57:38.039 --> 00:57:39.420
Right?

1284
00:57:39.480 --> 00:57:40.500
So good.

1285
00:57:40.559 --> 00:57:45.719
They should have gone further and had it all sort of struck out

1286
00:57:45.719 --> 00:57:46.199
washing.

1287
00:57:46.260 --> 00:57:47.400
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1288
00:57:47.460 --> 00:57:51.000
Oh, like the psychopath.

1289
00:57:51.059 --> 00:57:53.579
Oh, yeah. do you remember?

1290
00:57:53.699 --> 00:57:57.420
Do you remember them all piling up on it about that shit window?

1291
00:57:57.480 --> 00:57:59.219
And what?

1292
00:57:59.219 --> 00:58:05.219
You're developing some sort of spore-based biological weapon.

1293
00:58:05.280 --> 00:58:07.139
Okay, we're back in Star Trek again.

1294
00:58:07.199 --> 00:58:09.000
Yeah, but it's not true, is it?

1295
00:58:09.059 --> 00:58:11.039
Like, and that's what gets her.

1296
00:58:11.099 --> 00:58:16.860
She is interested in the science in the way that Stamets is and

1297
00:58:16.860 --> 00:58:18.480
she knows that it's not a weapon.

1298
00:58:18.539 --> 00:58:20.760
So she's okay with that.

1299
00:58:20.820 --> 00:58:23.219
And now she gets to be the part of something.

1300
00:58:23.280 --> 00:58:28.920
And there's this weird scene because you have Saru who understands

1301
00:58:28.920 --> 00:58:35.340
what she did and disapproves of it and he, she, he's honest with

1302
00:58:35.340 --> 00:58:35.579
her.

1303
00:58:35.639 --> 00:58:40.199
And now you have Lorke here lying to her and saying that he

1304
00:58:40.199 --> 00:58:42.059
approves of what she did.

1305
00:58:42.119 --> 00:58:50.340
Um, and he says, and it's the, it's the, um, It's the, the title

1306
00:58:50.340 --> 00:58:52.980
you know, one of these rare ones where the title is a quote from a

1307
00:58:52.980 --> 00:59:00.780
character, he says, um, universal laws are for lackeys and context

1308
00:59:00.780 --> 00:59:01.920
is for kings.

1309
00:59:01.980 --> 00:59:08.219
So ordinary people just have to obey simple moral laws, but people

1310
00:59:08.219 --> 00:59:12.059
like you and me don't have to do that.

1311
00:59:12.119 --> 00:59:13.559
And he's a fascist.

1312
00:59:13.619 --> 00:59:16.440
You know, he's a horrific person.

1313
00:59:16.500 --> 00:59:18.599
Oh, I think he's wonderful.

1314
00:59:18.719 --> 00:59:19.860
I mean this is great.

1315
00:59:19.920 --> 00:59:21.360
This is basically you and me.

1316
00:59:21.420 --> 00:59:23.159
Star Trek fancy.

1317
00:59:23.219 --> 00:59:26.340
She's going, I uphold the laws of the Federation and the United

1318
00:59:26.340 --> 00:59:28.860
Federation of Planets, so he's going, you never mind about that

1319
00:59:29.219 --> 00:59:31.500
far more interesting my way.

1320
00:59:31.559 --> 00:59:33.239
Come to the dark side.

1321
00:59:33.840 --> 00:59:37.739
Yeah, great scene, a wonderful and well acted as well.

1322
00:59:37.800 --> 00:59:39.119
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1323
00:59:40.019 --> 00:59:44.280
I just really like as well. how she just susses it all out.

1324
00:59:44.340 --> 00:59:46.320
She's like, I know I know why I'm here.

1325
00:59:46.380 --> 00:59:47.340
I'm mutine here.

1326
00:59:47.400 --> 00:59:48.900
I'm ex-Starfleet.

1327
00:59:48.960 --> 00:59:52.079
I'm very useful to you and you think I'm needy.

1328
00:59:52.139 --> 00:59:53.039
You think I need this?

1329
00:59:53.460 --> 00:59:54.900
Yeah.

1330
00:59:55.139 --> 00:59:59.940
I won't be the person you want me to be because I uphold those

1331
00:59:59.940 --> 01:00:00.420
values.

1332
01:00:00.480 --> 01:00:04.679
Yeah, yeah, the federation values are all here.

1333
01:00:04.800 --> 01:00:07.559
They're embodied in her.

1334
01:00:07.980 --> 01:00:11.699
So this is an incredible scene because, of course, this is just

1335
01:00:11.699 --> 01:00:15.000
let me show you the universe and let me show you what you're doing

1336
01:00:15.000 --> 01:00:16.679
and that sells her.

1337
01:00:17.519 --> 01:00:21.360
And now please watch how she's matted into these locations, all

1338
01:00:21.360 --> 01:00:21.539
right?

1339
01:00:21.599 --> 01:00:25.440
And compare it to Chevok on Vulcan last week and persistence of

1340
01:00:25.440 --> 01:00:25.679
vision.

1341
01:00:25.739 --> 01:00:29.880
I mean, you still, it's still a very obvious special effect, but

1342
01:00:29.880 --> 01:00:31.199
it is very beautifully done.

1343
01:00:31.260 --> 01:00:32.820
Yeah, the details.

1344
01:00:32.820 --> 01:00:34.199
I mean, a decade, you know.

1345
01:00:34.260 --> 01:00:36.179
But look at the fairy dust.

1346
01:00:36.239 --> 01:00:40.739
You know, like we're seeing Lorca through this cloud of spores.

1347
01:00:41.460 --> 01:00:45.239
I'm not sure I'd want to stand there in a cloud of spores.

1348
01:00:45.300 --> 01:00:46.139
I did worry about that.

1349
01:00:46.199 --> 01:00:47.400
I think I'd be sneezing.

1350
01:00:47.460 --> 01:00:48.780
Do you get hay fever?

1351
01:00:48.840 --> 01:00:54.420
I do, and particularly from fungus. and look, the cloud's getting

1352
01:00:54.420 --> 01:00:54.900
thicker.

1353
01:00:55.079 --> 01:00:57.300
Yeah, yeah.

1354
01:00:57.360 --> 01:01:00.360
And so it doesn't work properly yet.

1355
01:01:00.420 --> 01:01:05.159
And so we retrieved the technology from the glen and then we're

1356
01:01:05.159 --> 01:01:07.260
going to retrieve the tardigrade.

1357
01:01:07.320 --> 01:01:09.420
And remember they had to go on board the Glen to get the

1358
01:01:09.420 --> 01:01:12.780
technology because it was in a shielded spot, but the tardigrades

1359
01:01:12.780 --> 01:01:15.780
escaped so they can just beam it straight off, which is what we're

1360
01:01:15.780 --> 01:01:16.079
about to see.

1361
01:01:16.139 --> 01:01:20.159
So then they sort of, um, the tardigrade and the spores and all of

1362
01:01:20.159 --> 01:01:20.400
that.

1363
01:01:20.460 --> 01:01:23.579
And this is why from this after this episode, is that right?

1364
01:01:23.639 --> 01:01:26.519
It can do the weird spinning sauce, I think, and beam off into

1365
01:01:26.519 --> 01:01:28.559
various parts of the universe. wherever.

1366
01:01:28.619 --> 01:01:32.699
He just said it was just in 100s of kilometres, the jumps so far.

1367
01:01:32.820 --> 01:01:36.239
I remember your reaction at the end of 2 when it's like, we will

1368
01:01:36.239 --> 01:01:38.340
never talk about this technology again.

1369
01:01:38.400 --> 01:01:42.480
Please put it in that secret draw and the Space Pentagon.

1370
01:01:43.559 --> 01:01:44.639
I will never mention it.

1371
01:01:44.699 --> 01:01:45.840
That's right.

1372
01:01:46.380 --> 01:01:49.860
Please, like, as if they would give this up.

1373
01:01:49.920 --> 01:01:50.519
Come on.

1374
01:01:50.579 --> 01:01:51.179
Yeah.

1375
01:01:51.239 --> 01:01:51.840
Yeah.

1376
01:01:51.900 --> 01:01:56.460
But like we said, that is the one of the flaws of discovery is

1377
01:01:56.460 --> 01:01:59.159
that, you know, they want to do amazing technology.

1378
01:01:59.219 --> 01:02:01.500
They also want to set it pre-TOS.

1379
01:02:01.559 --> 01:02:02.699
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1380
01:02:02.760 --> 01:02:09.900
So the places that we see, um, I think that the last one, so

1381
01:02:09.900 --> 01:02:13.139
that's Andoria, but just that, like, it's so amazing.

1382
01:02:13.199 --> 01:02:18.360
But I think the last one is from Devil in the Dark.

1383
01:02:18.480 --> 01:02:21.360
Ah, don't you think?

1384
01:02:21.420 --> 01:02:23.039
The minding planet.

1385
01:02:23.099 --> 01:02:24.059
Yeah, yeah.

1386
01:02:24.119 --> 01:02:25.920
I think that's a modern take on that.

1387
01:02:25.980 --> 01:02:29.400
It strikes me as something this era of track would do.

1388
01:02:29.400 --> 01:02:30.059
Of course they would.

1389
01:02:30.119 --> 01:02:31.440
Christmas not here, is he?

1390
01:02:31.500 --> 01:02:33.179
Was he already involved?

1391
01:02:33.239 --> 01:02:35.099
Oh, okay, then definitely.

1392
01:02:35.159 --> 01:02:36.300
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1393
01:02:36.420 --> 01:02:38.340
Yeah, I don't know where that comes from.

1394
01:02:38.400 --> 01:02:41.519
But I mean, we had the Enterprise reference in dialogue pretty

1395
01:02:41.519 --> 01:02:42.000
early on.

1396
01:02:42.059 --> 01:02:44.400
Fuck Nathan, his eyes.

1397
01:02:44.460 --> 01:02:45.780
Isaac's eyes.

1398
01:02:45.840 --> 01:02:49.679
I mean, I mean, I was basically writing poetry to you in the

1399
01:02:49.679 --> 01:02:52.679
thread. his eyes were like piercingly beautiful.

1400
01:02:52.739 --> 01:02:55.860
But there's like a sadness in them as well.

1401
01:02:55.920 --> 01:03:00.300
I mean, that I think your eyes, as an actor, is a real weapon that

1402
01:03:00.300 --> 01:03:00.900
you can use.

1403
01:03:00.960 --> 01:03:04.079
And Isaac, man, he's got the best weapons there.

1404
01:03:04.139 --> 01:03:05.760
Yeah, it looks amazing.

1405
01:03:05.880 --> 01:03:08.340
He's got beautiful eyes as well.

1406
01:03:08.400 --> 01:03:09.900
I mean, she's stunning.

1407
01:03:09.960 --> 01:03:12.059
I just can't wait till they sort of...

1408
01:03:12.059 --> 01:03:13.079
Let her grow her hair out.

1409
01:03:13.139 --> 01:03:15.539
Yeah, relax a bit, you know.

1410
01:03:15.599 --> 01:03:16.679
Yeah, yeah.

1411
01:03:16.739 --> 01:03:19.199
Sanequa, you've got a lovely smile.

1412
01:03:19.260 --> 01:03:20.159
Why are you wasting it?

1413
01:03:20.219 --> 01:03:21.239
Yeah.

1414
01:03:21.300 --> 01:03:24.840
Well, we get to see plenty of it in the later years and that's a

1415
01:03:24.840 --> 01:03:25.260
good thing.

1416
01:03:25.559 --> 01:03:28.079
That's a fortune cookie there, right?

1417
01:03:28.139 --> 01:03:28.980
Yeah.

1418
01:03:29.039 --> 01:03:32.460
No, he said he had a family business a 100 years ago, his family

1419
01:03:32.460 --> 01:03:35.219
did, fortunately, because he offered her a fortune cookie later.

1420
01:03:35.280 --> 01:03:38.099
Now he gives her a fortune cookie and she takes it.

1421
01:03:38.159 --> 01:03:40.860
Oh, look, zoom out of the ship.

1422
01:03:40.920 --> 01:03:41.340
Did you see that?

1423
01:03:41.400 --> 01:03:45.300
Oh, I bet you was impressed. wonderful. absolutely what you want

1424
01:03:45.300 --> 01:03:45.539
to say.

1425
01:03:45.599 --> 01:03:46.679
What sort of team?

1426
01:03:46.739 --> 01:03:47.460
I'm very British.

1427
01:03:47.519 --> 01:03:48.840
So what tea is he, Duncan there?

1428
01:03:48.900 --> 01:03:51.179
That looks a bit like sort of peppermint to me.

1429
01:03:51.239 --> 01:03:52.980
He's pouring a lot of sugar into that.

1430
01:03:53.219 --> 01:03:55.139
Wow, yeah.

1431
01:03:55.199 --> 01:03:55.920
Do you know what?

1432
01:03:55.980 --> 01:03:57.780
Because when you dunk those teas, right?

1433
01:03:57.840 --> 01:04:00.059
They always smell nicer than they taste.

1434
01:04:00.119 --> 01:04:01.139
You need to add a bit of flavour.

1435
01:04:01.199 --> 01:04:05.340
So that's the scene where he realises she's not on the shuttle.

1436
01:04:05.400 --> 01:04:09.179
He sees the shuttle go and his gang clear out.

1437
01:04:09.239 --> 01:04:10.559
He knows she's still aboard.

1438
01:04:10.619 --> 01:04:14.940
Look at Tilly's crazy like Whitney Houston hair hair.

1439
01:04:15.480 --> 01:04:19.920
It's like she's put the volume eyeser on and they've had a power

1440
01:04:19.920 --> 01:04:20.340
surge.

1441
01:04:20.400 --> 01:04:22.320
She is so beautiful.

1442
01:04:22.440 --> 01:04:25.559
This, I love this scene too.

1443
01:04:25.619 --> 01:04:27.000
This is their making up.

1444
01:04:27.059 --> 01:04:30.780
You know, Michael was absolutely not willing to become friends

1445
01:04:30.780 --> 01:04:35.519
because she knew that this was not going to last, and this where

1446
01:04:35.519 --> 01:04:38.340
she admits she's going to be captain someday, and she looks like

1447
01:04:38.340 --> 01:04:42.420
such a screw up with her allergies and her, you know, worrying

1448
01:04:42.420 --> 01:04:44.219
about what everyone thinks of her and all of that.

1449
01:04:44.280 --> 01:04:49.980
And this is her apologising for being slightly mean to her in the

1450
01:04:49.980 --> 01:04:52.380
in the in engineering, you know.

1451
01:04:52.440 --> 01:04:56.280
I think it's just so vital because you could very easily, given

1452
01:04:56.280 --> 01:04:59.280
her 1st scene, think, you know, she's just going to be the Barclay

1453
01:04:59.280 --> 01:05:01.500
character, the socially awkward one.

1454
01:05:01.559 --> 01:05:04.019
Whereas here, you know, like you said, she's learning, she's

1455
01:05:04.019 --> 01:05:04.559
developing.

1456
01:05:04.559 --> 01:05:06.840
We got a smile from Sanequa?

1457
01:05:06.900 --> 01:05:09.659
Where she goes, oh, is that a book?

1458
01:05:09.719 --> 01:05:13.739
And then Sonika gives the book to look at.

1459
01:05:13.800 --> 01:05:15.420
She's never used a book.

1460
01:05:15.480 --> 01:05:16.679
No one reads a book.

1461
01:05:16.739 --> 01:05:19.500
But she just looks up at her and smiles.

1462
01:05:19.559 --> 01:05:23.280
Not that big broad, beautiful smile, but just a slight smile.

1463
01:05:23.340 --> 01:05:24.659
It's just lovely.

1464
01:05:25.139 --> 01:05:29.460
And this friendship is really nice from the entire rum.

1465
01:05:29.519 --> 01:05:35.340
Yeah, Tillia Burnham. one of the best I'm so glad she's back full

1466
01:05:34.199 --> 01:05:38.280
time for series four, five.

1467
01:05:38.340 --> 01:05:41.639
So she's not in the 2nd half of series four.

1468
01:05:41.699 --> 01:05:44.039
So we don't miss her for too much of it.

1469
01:05:44.039 --> 01:05:45.119
And she's...

1470
01:05:45.179 --> 01:05:46.260
She have another job, the actress?

1471
01:05:46.320 --> 01:05:49.440
No, there was a pregnancy, I think, at one point.

1472
01:05:49.500 --> 01:05:50.400
I'm not quite sure.

1473
01:05:50.460 --> 01:05:51.119
I'm not sure.

1474
01:05:51.179 --> 01:05:55.380
Oh, they decided not to put her in medical robes and hide behind

1475
01:05:55.380 --> 01:05:56.460
consoles and things like that.

1476
01:05:56.519 --> 01:05:57.659
Okay, fair.

1477
01:05:58.380 --> 01:06:01.019
Oh, listen to her dialogue.

1478
01:06:01.079 --> 01:06:02.519
Snuckers are bugging a rug.

1479
01:06:02.579 --> 01:06:04.920
The sooner you're eaten, the better.

1480
01:06:04.980 --> 01:06:09.000
That's such a weird, that's such a weird thing to say.

1481
01:06:09.360 --> 01:06:13.440
Mind you, there was a liner, occasionally the lines are a bit pony

1482
01:06:13.440 --> 01:06:14.159
on discovery.

1483
01:06:14.219 --> 01:06:18.960
Stammets went, oh, hello, non-Vulcan number cruncher.

1484
01:06:19.079 --> 01:06:20.639
I was like, what is that line?

1485
01:06:20.760 --> 01:06:22.559
Look at all these.

1486
01:06:23.940 --> 01:06:25.739
Oh, that's a Kardassian bowl.

1487
01:06:25.800 --> 01:06:28.079
You saw one crawling across a darbo table.

1488
01:06:28.139 --> 01:06:29.519
I swear it's the same problem.

1489
01:06:29.579 --> 01:06:31.920
It's a Cardassian It is a Cardassian bowl.

1490
01:06:31.980 --> 01:06:34.440
It mentions it in memory. doing with all of these.

1491
01:06:34.500 --> 01:06:36.480
I think he's cutting them up, you know.

1492
01:06:36.539 --> 01:06:37.260
Oh this is great.

1493
01:06:37.320 --> 01:06:38.880
He puts his hand on the thing.

1494
01:06:39.420 --> 01:06:42.059
It's like, hello, hello, my beauty.

1495
01:06:42.119 --> 01:06:43.739
Kitty.

1496
01:06:43.800 --> 01:06:44.820
Here, kitty, kitty.

1497
01:06:44.880 --> 01:06:47.099
Yeah, kitty, kitty, kitty, kitty.

1498
01:06:47.099 --> 01:06:48.179
Isn't it amazing?

1499
01:06:49.619 --> 01:06:52.440
Oh, look, don't leave me, please.

1500
01:06:52.980 --> 01:06:55.440
You are too good to let go of.

1501
01:06:55.559 --> 01:06:58.079
It's now intriguing.

1502
01:06:58.079 --> 01:06:59.280
It is.

1503
01:06:59.340 --> 01:07:01.260
It's a ship of secrets, Nathan.

1504
01:07:01.320 --> 01:07:02.460
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1505
01:07:02.519 --> 01:07:04.679
And we've never done that before.

1506
01:07:04.739 --> 01:07:06.840
We have never done that before or since.

1507
01:07:06.900 --> 01:07:10.800
The ship is always, you know, where the family is, the place of

1508
01:07:10.800 --> 01:07:13.260
safety, where we solve the problems.

1509
01:07:13.320 --> 01:07:15.420
It's never the mystery itself.

1510
01:07:15.539 --> 01:07:16.199
Yeah.

1511
01:07:16.199 --> 01:07:18.360
It was a great move, I think.

1512
01:07:18.659 --> 01:07:22.559
I've said a 1000000 times in this episode, I can understand the

1513
01:07:22.559 --> 01:07:25.980
pushback against it because we just don't do this in Star Trek, but

1514
01:07:25.980 --> 01:07:28.199
people embrace difference.

1515
01:07:28.260 --> 01:07:30.599
It's really great It's intriguing.

1516
01:07:30.659 --> 01:07:34.380
I mean once there's more than one show.

1517
01:07:34.440 --> 01:07:39.599
I think that like this is an odd way to bring Star Trek back and

1518
01:07:39.599 --> 01:07:41.280
an off-putting way to bring it back.

1519
01:07:41.340 --> 01:07:42.900
And I really liked it.

1520
01:07:42.960 --> 01:07:45.179
You know, I really liked that I was intrigued by it.

1521
01:07:45.239 --> 01:07:49.619
I was seeing things in Star Trek that I'd never seen before and it

1522
01:07:49.619 --> 01:07:53.159
just looked amazing and like just the quality of the cast as

1523
01:07:53.159 --> 01:07:53.400
well.

1524
01:07:53.460 --> 01:07:56.940
Strange New Worlds, which I love a lot, and I think is a very

1525
01:07:56.940 --> 01:08:02.820
successful show, is still stuff that I haven't seen before, but it

1526
01:08:02.820 --> 01:08:07.800
is very familiar as Star Trek, and I think it's only okay because

1527
01:08:07.800 --> 01:08:10.559
it's just one of the shows that we're doing.

1528
01:08:10.679 --> 01:08:15.239
So this was an odd thing to bring back as the Star Trek show.

1529
01:08:15.300 --> 01:08:19.140
Once we do spinoffs, that lets us be more adventurous, I think.

1530
01:08:19.380 --> 01:08:24.119
I think where DS9 came along, people said exactly the same thing.

1531
01:08:24.180 --> 01:08:29.460
This is a very odd thing to do alongside the next generation

1532
01:08:29.460 --> 01:08:32.760
Strange New Worlds, or like a stationary place where everybody

1533
01:08:32.760 --> 01:08:36.840
argues with each other and there's a political system erupting

1534
01:08:36.840 --> 01:08:38.939
that we can't get away from and things like that.

1535
01:08:39.000 --> 01:08:46.979
But like DS 9, I think that's probably why discovery is A, the

1536
01:08:46.979 --> 01:08:48.060
most interesting.

1537
01:08:48.119 --> 01:08:52.319
If not the most successful, the most interesting of the Kurtzman

1538
01:08:52.319 --> 01:08:52.800
tricks.

1539
01:08:52.800 --> 01:08:57.300
And B, the most interesting to talk about because you can't quite

1540
01:08:57.300 --> 01:08:58.500
put your finger on it.

1541
01:08:58.859 --> 01:09:01.439
And that's fascinating, I think.

1542
01:09:01.500 --> 01:09:05.039
But especially in these in these early dirty waters.

1543
01:09:05.100 --> 01:09:05.819
I love it.

1544
01:09:05.880 --> 01:09:07.560
Yeah, it's pretty great.

1545
01:09:07.619 --> 01:09:10.439
You know, more bastards in Star Trek, please.

1546
01:09:10.500 --> 01:09:12.000
Less lovey doviness.

1547
01:09:21.060 --> 01:09:24.060
All right, it's the end of the episode and it's time for us to

1548
01:09:24.060 --> 01:09:26.760
find out where we're going next.

1549
01:09:26.939 --> 01:09:32.340
I picked this one because it's Star Trek Discovery, and so it's

1550
01:09:32.340 --> 01:09:34.680
your turn, Joe, what series are we doing?

1551
01:09:34.739 --> 01:09:40.079
A very important pick. you know, because this is like justice last

1552
01:09:40.079 --> 01:09:40.500
time.

1553
01:09:40.560 --> 01:09:45.659
You know, the weight on this episode, because yes, listeners, we

1554
01:09:45.659 --> 01:09:50.100
will be together in person watching this and then doing our

1555
01:09:50.100 --> 01:09:51.420
commentary on it afterwards.

1556
01:09:51.479 --> 01:09:54.960
So, um, you know, unfortunately, there's only one place I can go

1557
01:09:54.960 --> 01:09:58.979
because it's on my bucket list that you and me watch an episode of

1558
01:09:58.979 --> 01:10:01.140
Deep Space 9 together in person.

1559
01:10:01.199 --> 01:10:03.539
It's all I've ever...

1560
01:10:03.600 --> 01:10:04.380
Have we never done that?

1561
01:10:04.439 --> 01:10:05.819
No, we've never done it.

1562
01:10:05.880 --> 01:10:07.319
We watched justice together.

1563
01:10:07.439 --> 01:10:11.279
Mark still has nightmares about that man being oiled up.

1564
01:10:11.340 --> 01:10:13.020
Do remember?

1565
01:10:13.079 --> 01:10:14.399
Good grief.

1566
01:10:14.460 --> 01:10:15.539
No, no, no.

1567
01:10:15.600 --> 01:10:17.039
It's my favourite show.

1568
01:10:17.100 --> 01:10:18.180
You are my favourite person.

1569
01:10:18.239 --> 01:10:21.300
I mean, the chance to bring the 2 of you together in my living

1570
01:10:21.300 --> 01:10:21.539
room.

1571
01:10:21.600 --> 01:10:22.560
All right.

1572
01:10:22.560 --> 01:10:24.060
It's too much.

1573
01:10:24.300 --> 01:10:28.500
After, of course, we've danced together to the Enterprise theme

1574
01:10:28.500 --> 01:10:30.180
tune, which we've also promised to do.

1575
01:10:30.239 --> 01:10:31.979
So, all right.

1576
01:10:32.039 --> 01:10:33.539
Well, let's give it a go then, all right?

1577
01:10:33.600 --> 01:10:35.640
I know we've done a lot of DS9. but I don't care.

1578
01:10:35.699 --> 01:10:36.180
I love it.

1579
01:10:36.239 --> 01:10:37.260
It's fine, you know?

1580
01:10:37.319 --> 01:10:38.100
Okay.

1581
01:10:38.159 --> 01:10:41.640
Oh, this would be quite fun, but I'm not going with the 1st one.

1582
01:10:41.699 --> 01:10:45.600
Your random Star Trek defence 9 episode is season four, episode 20

1583
01:10:45.600 --> 01:10:47.220
shattered mirror.

1584
01:10:47.279 --> 01:10:52.020
It's going through the looking glass. ironically enough. let's

1585
01:10:52.020 --> 01:10:52.859
keep going past that.

1586
01:10:52.920 --> 01:10:54.000
Oh boy.

1587
01:10:54.060 --> 01:10:56.819
Season one, episode nine, the passenger.

1588
01:10:57.539 --> 01:11:00.420
Not at all, gentlemen.

1589
01:11:00.479 --> 01:11:03.600
I've been expecting you. so bad.

1590
01:11:03.659 --> 01:11:05.399
It's so bad.

1591
01:11:05.520 --> 01:11:07.199
Poor old Sid.

1592
01:11:07.260 --> 01:11:08.579
It's his worst before.

1593
01:11:08.640 --> 01:11:09.600
No, he got better.

1594
01:11:09.659 --> 01:11:12.539
He did yeah. bless him.

1595
01:11:12.600 --> 01:11:15.119
Oh boy. talking about pretentious titles.

1596
01:11:15.180 --> 01:11:18.000
Wrongs darker than death or night.

1597
01:11:18.060 --> 01:11:19.439
Oh, yes.

1598
01:11:19.619 --> 01:11:22.800
I think we've rolled that recently.

1599
01:11:23.220 --> 01:11:24.779
I don't think we could do that one, you know.

1600
01:11:24.840 --> 01:11:26.880
I don't want to sit there and watch Kira's mother.

1601
01:11:26.880 --> 01:11:30.420
He's forced into sex slavery. whilst you're right next to me on

1602
01:11:30.420 --> 01:11:32.220
the sofa. very awkward.

1603
01:11:32.279 --> 01:11:33.359
Yeah, all right.

1604
01:11:33.420 --> 01:11:34.199
Okay.

1605
01:11:34.319 --> 01:11:35.640
Oh.

1606
01:11:35.699 --> 01:11:36.600
Oh.

1607
01:11:36.659 --> 01:11:38.340
Ooh.

1608
01:11:38.399 --> 01:11:41.159
Oh, can we do another season 7 episode though?

1609
01:11:41.220 --> 01:11:42.779
Oh, this could be really fun.

1610
01:11:42.840 --> 01:11:44.880
We like Esri, don't we?

1611
01:11:44.939 --> 01:11:46.020
We love Ezri.

1612
01:11:46.079 --> 01:11:50.880
Would you like to see Ezra in a procedural detective genre episode

1613
01:11:50.880 --> 01:11:55.079
where Geran, the evil serial killer is the person that she

1614
01:11:55.079 --> 01:11:56.220
consults?

1615
01:11:56.279 --> 01:11:57.479
Yes, more than anything.

1616
01:11:57.899 --> 01:12:05.159
Well, then, Field of Fire, season 7, episode 13. the episode for

1617
01:12:05.159 --> 01:12:05.399
you.

1618
01:12:05.460 --> 01:12:08.819
Now, this is the one that Robert Hewitt Wolf, who ditched the show

1619
01:12:08.819 --> 01:12:11.640
to go on and do more important work at the end of five.

1620
01:12:11.699 --> 01:12:13.920
It's the only script he came back to do.

1621
01:12:13.979 --> 01:12:14.699
Fazali.

1622
01:12:14.760 --> 01:12:15.479
This one.

1623
01:12:15.539 --> 01:12:17.220
I mean, I kind of love this.

1624
01:12:17.279 --> 01:12:17.579
Yeah.

1625
01:12:17.640 --> 01:12:22.140
It is sort of pony in all sorts of ways, but they really go for

1626
01:12:22.140 --> 01:12:22.380
it.

1627
01:12:22.439 --> 01:12:25.260
They really go for the serial killer plot. so great.

1628
01:12:26.520 --> 01:12:31.800
She's got this massive gun and she can see through walls and shoot

1629
01:12:31.800 --> 01:12:34.439
people and be bullets into rooms.

1630
01:12:34.560 --> 01:12:36.420
I mean, it's just wonderful.

1631
01:12:36.659 --> 01:12:40.140
Imagine giving Nicole an enormous gum.

1632
01:12:40.199 --> 01:12:41.579
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1633
01:12:41.640 --> 01:12:42.779
I want to do that.

1634
01:12:42.840 --> 01:12:44.880
I'm looking forward to seeing that.

1635
01:12:44.939 --> 01:12:47.579
I want a way to go. but yes, awesome.

1636
01:12:48.180 --> 01:12:51.359
Well, head to the sofa then.

1637
01:12:51.420 --> 01:12:52.140
Come on, let's go.

1638
01:12:52.199 --> 01:12:53.640
I'll be right over.

1639
01:13:01.439 --> 01:13:05.520
You've been listening to entitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford

1640
01:13:05.520 --> 01:13:09.659
and Nathan Bottomley, where online at untitled Star Trek Project

1641
01:13:08.699 --> 01:13:12.119
com, where you can find subscription links and links to our social

1642
01:13:12.119 --> 01:13:13.199
media accounts.

1643
01:13:13.260 --> 01:13:17.100
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Ciceran, and the theme was

1644
01:13:17.100 --> 01:13:18.779
composed by Cameron Lamb.

1645
01:13:18.840 --> 01:13:23.340
This episode was recorded on the 19th of August 2025 and released

1646
01:13:23.340 --> 01:13:25.020
on the 22nd of August.

1647
01:13:25.079 --> 01:13:29.159
We'll see you next time for Star Trek Deep Space 9, Field of

1648
01:13:29.159 --> 01:13:29.460
Fire.

1649
01:13:47.579 --> 01:13:49.199
I really enjoyed it.

1650
01:13:49.260 --> 01:13:50.880
Yeah, it's so good, isn't it?

1651
01:13:51.479 --> 01:13:53.039
Look at this.

1652
01:13:53.100 --> 01:13:56.760
The butcher's knife cares not... for the lamb...

1653
01:13:56.760 --> 01:13:57.840
Fuck off.

1654
01:13:57.899 --> 01:13:59.579
Oh, come on. are you doing?

1655
01:14:02.100 --> 01:14:04.920
magic to make the sanest man go mad.

1656
01:14:04.979 --> 01:14:07.079
Oh, that's the one we did.

1657
01:14:07.140 --> 01:14:07.500
We did that.

1658
01:14:07.560 --> 01:14:08.460
We've done that.

1659
01:14:08.520 --> 01:14:10.619
And we've done 3 in this.

1660
01:14:10.680 --> 01:14:16.260
We did vaulting ambition, which is just a standard quote from

1661
01:14:16.260 --> 01:14:17.520
Macbeth.

1662
01:14:17.579 --> 01:14:20.100
That's a standard Star Trek kind of title.

1663
01:14:20.159 --> 01:14:24.659
Started off doing 15 today. and then wound up doing 10 by five.

1664
01:14:24.720 --> 01:14:27.000
Only the last season is 10, I think.

1665
01:14:27.600 --> 01:14:29.399
Yeah, yeah.

1666
01:14:30.420 --> 01:14:31.800
Yeah.

1667
01:14:31.859 --> 01:14:34.319
And I don't think they had originally intended to do 15.

1668
01:14:34.619 --> 01:14:37.739
I think they originally intended to do 13 and they just just blew

1669
01:14:37.739 --> 01:14:38.340
out to 15.

1670
01:14:38.699 --> 01:14:44.520
I don't know, but, um, I can choose the episode for your visit, you

1671
01:14:44.520 --> 01:14:44.699
know?

1672
01:14:45.239 --> 01:14:48.659
Well, the 1st episode for my visit.

1673
01:14:48.720 --> 01:14:49.140
Yeah.

1674
01:14:49.739 --> 01:14:54.300
I've been looking forward to this I think I've downloaded

1675
01:14:54.300 --> 01:14:57.659
Discovery Series one for the, have I?

1676
01:14:57.899 --> 01:15:01.319
Sorry, I sounded like a kid in a playground then, didn't I?

1677
01:15:01.380 --> 01:15:03.000
Oh, no, just do this.

1678
01:15:03.060 --> 01:15:05.579
And or all of...

1679
01:15:05.579 --> 01:15:09.659
Oh, Heartstopper Series 3, Love Victor.

1680
01:15:10.859 --> 01:15:12.779
Poker face.

1681
01:15:15.840 --> 01:15:18.300
Oh, no, I've downloaded Discovery Series 4.

1682
01:15:21.539 --> 01:15:23.880
That's 13 episodes.

1683
01:15:23.939 --> 01:15:26.699
Yeah, maybe I should, that's, I must have just decided.

1684
01:15:26.760 --> 01:15:29.220
Oh, in Star Trek Prodigy series 2, I've got as well.

1685
01:15:29.340 --> 01:15:31.079
A lot of Star Trek.

1686
01:15:31.140 --> 01:15:32.819
For the plane.

1687
01:15:33.840 --> 01:15:39.060
Maybe for TV before bed when I'm by myself as well, sometimes.

1688
01:15:40.739 --> 01:15:43.140
All right, it's the end of the episode.