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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So, we're on board the USS Voyager this week.

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It's series 2, which we quite like on the whole, episode eight

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Persistence of Vision, which was 1st broadcast on the 13th of

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October, 1995.

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It's written by Jerry Taylor and directed, as you predict, and I

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think last week, by James L. Conway.

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Yeah, but those are the 2 reasons I think this is not particularly

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good.

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I mean, we do like series 2, but I think we're in troubled waters

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at this point.

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So we've had the hangovers from series one knocked into series two

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you know, such gems as twisted and projections and the 37s.

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And, you know, we're about to come up on, you know, delights such

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as tattoo and threshold, you know?

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So this is sort of in that 1st half of the season.

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Somewhere around the middle of two.

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The arc starts gathering a bit of momentum. and the episode

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qualities.

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They even say in the Voyager companions.

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Some of it, they, we need to up our game and they do try to start

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up in their game.

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But yeah, this one.

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Well, I mean, I think I've seen every trick they try and pull in

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this episode elsewhere in other Star Trek episodes.

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I was looking for an original idea somewhere in this and I'm happy

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to say I failed.

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Yeah, there's a there's a real problem here in that it sort of

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does attempt to focus on a character, which is a Jerry Taylor

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thing, and she's, you know, largely responsible or partly

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responsible for the setup of the show, and so it leans into who

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the characters are and what they're doing, and in particular Jane

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way.

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But she loves Janeway, doesn't she?

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She wrote that book, Coda, which deals with all of Joe. I think

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she might have had something to do with the autobiography.

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Right.

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Rito's things, the autobiography of Catherine Janeway.

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So yeah, so she's a bit sort of Janeway obsessed, as you should be

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if you're right, Voyager.

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And, you know, that's a good thing.

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The episode does benefit from having her as the focus character, I

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think, because we see quite a lot of her.

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But it doesn't have anything to say about Janeway and it's a bit

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confused and they haven't quite landed on the idea that the actual

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space problem could tell us something about the characters that

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was sort of interesting.

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So here it's a lot of sort of random shit that happens that isn't

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real and doesn't actually tell us anything.

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And then when it's resolved, it's not a very interesting

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resolution, you know, it's an alien did it, and that's it.

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And so it's a lot of Star Trek stuff that I think is quite

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charming.

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Like, I thought for the 1st 15 minutes or so, this was kind of fun

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and nice, and, you know, reminded me of what I liked about Voyager

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but then, like once the space problem really took hold, I was

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totally bored for the last 2 thirds of it, I think.

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Not just an alien that comes along at the end, a sort of D-minus

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Trek alien.

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Yeah, yeah.

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He's in silhouette.

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Like, it's quite a nice directional flourish.

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I mean, you got it behind you on the Zoom call.

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He's got the light behind him.

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So you can't really see, oh, my God, what terrifying alien will

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this turn out to be?

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And then when I saw, it was, I mean, it was on level with the

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Beaumont, was it?

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It was so disappointing.

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It just looked like your standard latex alien.

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Yeah, yeah.

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I think he looked a lot like the aliens who were the adversaries

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of the Vandois. in Dragon's teeth. a bit less like a dog poo, but

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yes.

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Yeah, a bit less the colour of it.

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Yeah, that was the guy who looked like he just gone crazy with the

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shaving cream, you know, in the morning and just put it all over

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his whole head.

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I feel so sorry for these aliens, you know, getting to get up and

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look in the mirror and see these faces.

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So like all of that was really boring.

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We didn't know why the alien did what it did.

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We didn't know what it wanted.

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We didn't learn anything about it.

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And I just sort of think...

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They should do that. don't they?

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They at least do that.

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They give the alien a reason and a motive.

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But they haven't come up with a reason and so they kind of behave

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as if they're doing something clever by leaving it an unexplained

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mystery.

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But as far as I can see, that's actually not very interesting and

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certainly not as interesting as an actual real resolution or us

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learning something or the characters learning something about

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themselves.

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There's almost something where she kisses Lord Burly in the

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holodeck.

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We will get to that.

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And then starts to feel guilty about her relationship with Mark.

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But that's stupid and boring, and they don't commit to that.

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But it's what you said to me.

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It's all in their biogs.

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It's all in their single paragraph.

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All of this.

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Tom Paris and his daddy issues, you know.

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But I mean, Bilano wanted to fuck Chakotay.

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I don't know what that's all about.

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We know they've got a history in the marquee.

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That's in her biog.

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Janeway obviously left her puppies and her husband behind.

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Anyone else?

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Oh, poor Harry Kim.

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He had to say he isn't a lion.

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We didn't even get to see Libby.

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He just went, oh, my God, it's Libby.

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I didn't want to hire another actress.

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But, but, you know, we that's in his biog.

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Cheese Vox wife.

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Yeah, so none of it is revelatory.

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None of it, we can sort of take with us and explore in the

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future.

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Like, if we learn really interesting things about people here, we

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go, 0 my God, I never knew that about that person.

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And then we spend the next 5.5 years sort of dealing with that

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then fair enough, this had a point to it.

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But yeah, no, I didn't learn a thing.

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No.

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And like, I've been because Strangely Worlds is on at the moment.

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I'm comparing it to Strange New Worlds, and the most recent

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episode that I saw is called Through the Lens of Time, and it is a

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very standard sort of Star Trek plot, which has some things in

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common with power play, only it's obviously not as boring as

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that.

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And a marina being evil, I would just say, that was pretty good

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though.

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But it hinges on character interactions that are taking place as a

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result of things that have been going on since season 2.

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And because these characters have more than just their bugs

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because they have a history and have relationships that change and

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develop as time goes on, then you're able to comment on those

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relationships in the plot.

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And here, here it wasn't the space problem was reflecting or

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emblematic of or a metaphor for what was going on with the

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characters, but the character's reaction to the space problems was

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informed by how they'd been interacting with each other over the

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previous few episodes.

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And here there's nothing like that.

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There's no possibility of anything like that, because it's a show

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that's syndicated, because it is supposed to be able to be watched

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in any order, all we have of the characters is their bios or some

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characteristics that are made up on the fly.

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And so none of it lands. none of it is important.

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They can do it though.

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Look at the doctor.

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Look at 7 and nine.

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They absolutely, even though it's syndicated, they can bring in

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characters and give them an overarching character story over the

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seasons, develop them, have them come to realisations, make

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relationships with people.

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So I think when they choose not to do it, they're just choosing

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like the whole B'Elana and Chakotay thing, yeah?

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Never mentioned before, never mentioned again.

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It's Jane Wayan, the badge fiddling all over again.

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I really hate that sort of lazy, right?

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shock you with this. and then, right, okay, maybe that would have

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been interesting to explore if she had, I mean, it wouldn't.

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But, you know, that's quite a big bombshell that she wants to have

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sex with a 1st officer and her ex-marquis terrorist friend.

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But you don't even have to go as far as Strange New Worlds, yeah?

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We did times often recently, which was a similarly ridiculous

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premise to this.

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Yeah?

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But it was absolutely overloaded with relationship moments telling

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you things about the characters, the contractual obligation scenes

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that all were thematically tied into this idea of family.

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And so I think in 90s, you can do it as well.

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So again, if they ain't doing it, it's a choice.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, I mean, I think Deep Space 9 of the 90s tricks is probably

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the only one that can really possibly do that sort of thing

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because it spends so much time developing the characters and the

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characters change over the run quite a lot and they let that

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happen and they're allowed to let that happen.

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I think you're forgetting vital character moments, such as Troy

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with the chocolate sundae in the game, or Beverly getting all hot

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and bothered or even a granny's diary extra sub-rosa.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, you're right.

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You're right.

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And also it just seems very much like a product of the 26 episode

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season where we just have to do things and we haven't got a very

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strong idea of a through line of what we want to achieve.

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The idea of Voyager is.

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It's in the Delta Quadrant largely so that we stay out of Deep

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Space 9's way.

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And we just want to do Star Trek things of the kind that people

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enjoyed for 7 years.

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But this, I think, just turns out to be just a whole people in the

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standing sets talking and nothing really very interesting going on

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at all.

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I'll say this for persistent sufficient.

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Yeah, it isn't like the absolute dregs of season two.

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It's not like Twisted where there's not even a plot.

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They just wander around the corridors as this wave goes through

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the ship.

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And it's not threshold, which was, you know, ghoulish and

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unpleasant in all kinds of ways that we covered in the past.

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Like, they were constantly trying to throw stuff at you in this

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episode to keep you reasonably diverted.

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But, like, in terms of the direction and the writing, like, this

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could have been really scary.

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Uh, you know, they could have done genuine shocks.

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There's one moment which I think does hear, and then immediately

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doesn't hear, and we'll get there.

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It's in the middle of the episode.

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And I think Voyager can do horror, and I think DS9 can do horror

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and I think there are really great atmospheric episodes, but I

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just, it all feels a bit half-hearted here.

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And when you get to the climax of this episode.

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Unfortunately, that's where it feels the absolute limpist of all.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah.

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Well, let's watch it.

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I can hardly wait.

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We're on a fun 45 minutes ahead.

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Do you think you and me have got some sort of weird kink about

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suffering through dreary television together?

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We did start a Star Trek podcast. could be watching good

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television, you know?

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All right.

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As of next week, we're doing Andor.

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Okay.

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I will count us in 5, 4, 32, one, and we're off.

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Oh, she looks like she means business.

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Look at her going through the corridors there.

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And she's a little bit pissy and it makes you seem a little bit

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disorganised as well.

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Like...

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I quite like surfing.

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Pissed off at this, you know.

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Oh, God, but we're doing this thing, aren't we?

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Okay, so she's not had a day off or anytime to rest or any dinner

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you know, for like a day and she's not had any time off and

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everybody needs her.

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We've done this a few times as well.

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Star Trek.

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There was one thing that I actually really liked about it, which

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is, I think that there's a kind of subtext that the others know

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that she doesn't look after herself, and they're a little bit

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worried about her, and I actually really like that.

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And I, do you know what I mean?

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That dynamic is actually kind of nice.

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It's not a big part of the episode or anything.

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You may find this tedious, but I'm going to do this a couple of

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times Friday's episode.

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Yes, I do agree, but it was done bearing the DSI episode defined

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with Kira, who goes through this whole sequence in the pre-tartle

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sequence and then Bashir marches her to Quarks and makes her have

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a day off and gives her all these treats to enjoy.

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It's really wonderful.

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Obviously, the Voyager version is just the watered down version as

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usual.

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I mean, I'm rather loving her hair, you know.

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Look at her hair here.

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Isn't her best hair?

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Not quite her best.

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I have to say, boy.

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No, I actually quite like this.

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And I think the reason is.

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Because the doctor is so pompous and prickly.

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I mean, we know he's warm and lovely as well.

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And because he's sort of a bit arrogant as well, make him appear

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small and being annoyed at it, without everyone laughing at him

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too much or anything like that, like they don't make fun of it.

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And then at the moment in the dialogue where he's getting shrill

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with indignation, they kind of bring up the vocal treatment to

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remind us that he's little, but they don't overdo that part of

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it.

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So I have to say that I don't think that this is terrible.

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And that 2 shot of her kneeling down.

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It's very well done. that was really impressive. yeah.

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In fact, this one's great as well, look, when it's from behind

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him.

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She's approaching.

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The trouble is, it's wonderful.

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I can't believe I'm doing it twice in the pre-credit segments.

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We did this last year.

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We did this in the 1st year of Voyager, where his hollow emitter

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goes wrong and he's shrunk down to half the size and he's given a

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squeaky voice and it's like, are you out of ideas already?

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That's boring. didn't know that.

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It's more technically competent here because honestly, I'll send

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you a screenshot when they did it in series one.

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It's so bad They sort of, it's sort of like it's in a hall of

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mirrors, you know, when you're talking cosy in line.

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Oh, I think I remember that.

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I think I do remember.

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It's really very bad.

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Although, it is amusing that he's now ordering her to take a day

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off when he's the size of an inch.

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Yeah, yeah, that's right.

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That's what's great about it too.

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Is that he's a hologram?

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He aware he's not a doctor.

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He's not a real doctor.

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He is just part of the ship's software.

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But he has said, all right, well, I'm the chief medical officer

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and I'm going to order you around.

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I outrank you.

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And I kind of like that as well.

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And of course, it's Bob.

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It's the best Robert, you know, he's wonderful.

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He is wonderful.

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Now, I need to discuss this dismal Lord Burley's manner, romantic

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which it's always the Jerry Taylor script.

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She's obsessed.

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She's clearly read a lot of sort of romantic Gothic novels.

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Yeah.

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So is this Rebecca, I think, is the idea where the wife's not

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really dead?

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She's in the attic.

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Notice that we get the photo of her and the dog and Mark before

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she goes onto the holiday.

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Look, I've said to you before that I think that having her do a

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romance novel is actually not a bad thing at all and that... though.

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I know.

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The performance is, the dialogue.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. doesn't work.

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I mean, and you know, you were quite nice about the kids last

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time.

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They are terrible in this movie.

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They are pretty bad in this.

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He's terrible and he's not very attractive.

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He should be like Colin Furr from Pride and Prejudice, you know?

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And this should be a really hot kiss.

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Instead, it's weird face mushing that's very unpleasant to watch.

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When is that pride and prejudice.

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It must be about this time. 95, it was.

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Yeah, so this is 95 as well.

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So my mother was obsessed with it.

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She loved Colin Kurtz.

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It's one of the best things ever.

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You know the bit where he comes out the river and all of his hair

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is wet, yeah.

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Maybe they should have.

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Oh no, they wouldn't have gone outside for this, would they?

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So, like, I don't think that's terrible.

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I think romance and things like that, as I've said to you before

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you know, like it's dismissed by Star Trek fans is something for

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women, and I don't think there's a problem with having something

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for women in it, and I don't think it is something for women

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anyway.

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It's just a disfavoured favourite.

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I do too.

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But when it's done well, this is not done well.

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I know.

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But I don't I don't mind it as an idea.

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I never thought I would say this, yeah, because I think both

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Fairhaven episodes are truly, you know, they are in the Drakes of

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Voyager.

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But in that, you know, she falls for the bewhiskered, slightly

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drunk, Irish bartender, Michael O'Sullivan, you know, and he's

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sort of hot and a bit grizzled, you know, and you can see why

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she'd want to go to the politic and get her rocks off with him.

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I mean, this guy...

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Oh, Lucy. press on BBC sideburns.

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Terrible.

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The one thing that's nice about it is what you said when we last

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saw Lord Burleigh's manor, and that is Lord Burleigh's manor.

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Aesthetically, it's quite nice.

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And I also like the idea that the holodeck is, you know, that

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there's a culture on the ship, you know, that they, like

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saundrines in season one.

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We've talked about this.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, tiki bar or whatever, that terrible tiki bar.

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What's Satan's robot called?

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Oh, the...

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Chaotic, you know, the...

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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That's good.

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Here he is.

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The little kitty winks, look.

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So we talked about little Thomas Decker as Henry Burley and how he

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turned up later in Picard series 3.

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Of course, the little girl, uh, Lindsay Horn, Lindsay Horn, as

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Beatrice, uh, actually will turn up in a later episode of Star

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Trek Voyager in another role as Belle in real life, the doctor's

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holographic daughter in real life.

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Oh, she was pretty good in that, you know.

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I especially like the scene where she died.

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I actually think that real life is not as bad as everyone says.

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It's quite fun.

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Yeah, I don't mind at all.

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Klingon rock music, do you remember?

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A teenager. absolutely obsessed with Klingon rock.

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No, I know, but did you see that?

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there?

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The plate of cucumber sandwiches, right?

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on this set?

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They've just taken it from one set to the other, because it's

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exactly the same layout when they got it later.

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We've got a film this all on the same day.

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Why?

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Because we can't do 2 plates of cucumber sandwiches, all right?

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They spray painted it with shellac or something.

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Do you know what I mean?

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So that it wouldn't go off.

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It's mother's cup.

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The flower cup.

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Oh, my God.

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Oh, no, but the saving grace here is obviously Carolyn Seymour, who

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gets the best scene of the entire episode.

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And just adds a bit of class to anything, doesn't she?

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So she has done 2 Star Trek before this?

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and there may be more, but she...

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She's definitely in a deep space 9 as a Romulan.

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Has she done that one?

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Yeah.

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No, so she does 2 outings as a Romulan in TNG, which might be what

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you're thinking of.

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An episode called Contagion in series 2 with the Iconian Gateway

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which we talked about recently in Deep Space 9. and in face of the

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enemy. one. wonderful because she's up against, you know, she's

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someone terrifying and up against Deanna.

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She is in 1st contact as well.

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Is she?

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Not the film, the TNG episode.

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Yeah, I did know that.

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Oh, yeah, she's got the terrible latex oneration, that one. yeah.

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I mean, she's magnificent.

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You know who I'm mistaken her for?

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Martha Hackett. yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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She was the Romulan in East Space Nine.

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But she's always great.

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And, you know, I perked up every time she turned up in this

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episode.

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Yeah, especially when she turned up with that massive knife. was

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great.

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So I just finished watching Andor last night and or series 2.

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And so this talk of the Bothans, and you might remember in Return

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of the Jedi, Monmouth gets up and delivers her speech about the

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plans for the 2nd Death Star and tells us that many Bothans died

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to give us this information.

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Are we doing Star Wars Star Trek crossover here then?

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I think so.

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I think maybe we are.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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Is he a Bothan then, this man?

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Yes, the alien.

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Well, I don't know, because we don't know anything about him or

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anything that's going on.

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I don't know.

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Is he a Bothan?

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Maybe.

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He's pretending to be. would ever have an alien quite as lazy

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looking as that thing. turns up at the end of this episode, you

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know.

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Why would you ask me a question about Star Wars?

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You know I can't answer anything about Star Wars.

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I thought you might know the film.

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The danger here is, of course, is no one's making a note on the

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old board there, of the different names they've given the aliens.

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So when the Beau Mar came along later on.

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They have an apostolate, though, Joe. Well, that's right.

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How do we make this even more exotic?

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Okay.

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Punctuation?

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That'll do.

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But and again, the thing is the Voyager thing, and it's like

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Enterprise was last time where aliens are just basically assholes

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you do know what I mean?

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Like they're just obnoxious and objectionable.

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I mean, every now and again, I did like it when Voyager would turn

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up and it's a load of benevolent aliens, you know, with very soft

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makeup, usually as chaise lunges covered in furs and things that

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you'd sit on.

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Oh, no, I'm thinking of prime factors.

480
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They were all a load of bastards as well, were they?

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They did get assimilated by the Borg we discovered in Picard

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series one.

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What?

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That man with the annoying voice.

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Pecan pie.

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Batman.

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They were assimilated by the Borg.

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Now, Nathan, I know a little bit about your private life and I

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know that you are, you know, have all manner of exotic dishes in

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front of you, you know, usually.

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Is this sort of what your dinner table looks like at the end.

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There's quite a bit of throck.

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Settling wood fungus pate?

494
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Yes, yep, yep.

495
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Actually, that looks so good.

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Nestles.

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That looks quite nice, actually.

498
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What is that?

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What you think they actually are?

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Does actually look like something that I might eat?

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like rice noodles?

502
00:23:32.160 --> 00:23:33.000
What, the tabled wood for?

503
00:23:33.119 --> 00:23:33.420
frock?

504
00:23:33.480 --> 00:23:34.859
Looks like tofu.

505
00:23:34.920 --> 00:23:36.480
Yeah, it does look like.

506
00:23:36.539 --> 00:23:38.160
And then look, there's the English bit.

507
00:23:38.220 --> 00:23:39.359
Cucumber sandwiches.

508
00:23:39.420 --> 00:23:40.079
Boring.

509
00:23:40.140 --> 00:23:45.720
The most dismal dried up looking cucumber sandwiches.

510
00:23:45.779 --> 00:23:46.619
You're coming, all right?

511
00:23:46.680 --> 00:23:48.480
You're gonna...

512
00:23:48.480 --> 00:23:51.359
That's gonna be your staple diet for a week and a half.

513
00:23:52.980 --> 00:23:56.339
When she picks it up and then puts it back on the plane.

514
00:23:56.400 --> 00:23:57.119
You've just touched that.

515
00:23:57.180 --> 00:23:58.680
You have to fucking eat it, Kate.

516
00:23:58.740 --> 00:24:00.839
You can't just put it back on the plane.

517
00:24:00.900 --> 00:24:03.960
You know, when you can't, I'm going to present your tea in a cup

518
00:24:03.960 --> 00:24:04.740
of sauce like that.

519
00:24:04.799 --> 00:24:05.640
I've got one like that.

520
00:24:05.700 --> 00:24:06.000
Yeah.

521
00:24:06.059 --> 00:24:09.839
You can go, Joe, where did you get this cup and saucer from?

522
00:24:11.519 --> 00:24:15.839
Do you know, it's interesting Neelix at this point in Voyager's

523
00:24:15.839 --> 00:24:19.920
Rum because he really does bat between being very sweet and he has

524
00:24:19.920 --> 00:24:22.259
moments in this episode where he's very sweet, like this, where

525
00:24:22.259 --> 00:24:25.619
he's trying to make her eat and really fucking annoying.

526
00:24:25.680 --> 00:24:28.500
And that's all the jealousy stuff with Tom Paris.

527
00:24:28.500 --> 00:24:32.039
And like his performance in engineering at the end of the episode

528
00:24:32.039 --> 00:24:36.599
was really very bad, I thought, where he was trying to be horrible

529
00:24:36.599 --> 00:24:37.440
to kids.

530
00:24:37.500 --> 00:24:40.859
And Phillips just hasn't got it in him to be that horrible to

531
00:24:40.859 --> 00:24:41.220
anybody.

532
00:24:41.279 --> 00:24:42.359
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

533
00:24:42.359 --> 00:24:43.859
So I just wasn't convinced at all.

534
00:24:44.400 --> 00:24:46.740
Everyone has their ceiling, right?

535
00:24:46.799 --> 00:24:51.119
Yeah, I'd forgotten that, actually, that and that's a weird thing

536
00:24:51.119 --> 00:24:51.900
to do as well.

537
00:24:51.960 --> 00:24:52.980
Like, why are they doing that?

538
00:24:53.039 --> 00:24:55.920
What are we learning about Kerce and Neelix from that scene?

539
00:24:55.980 --> 00:24:56.880
Nothing, you know.

540
00:24:56.940 --> 00:25:00.240
So here we are now, chasing the little girl down the corridors

541
00:25:00.240 --> 00:25:03.839
just like Deanna did with Kestra in Dark Page.

542
00:25:03.900 --> 00:25:06.779
Dark Page, which I think might have been written by Jerry Taylor.

543
00:25:06.839 --> 00:25:08.400
She's going to her own well at this point.

544
00:25:08.700 --> 00:25:10.680
Yeah, yeah.

545
00:25:10.740 --> 00:25:13.259
My mother is alive, Nathan.

546
00:25:13.319 --> 00:25:15.960
Look at the carpet on the...

547
00:25:17.220 --> 00:25:19.740
It looks very well hoovered.

548
00:25:19.799 --> 00:25:20.700
It doesn't.

549
00:25:20.700 --> 00:25:21.599
That was the point.

550
00:25:21.660 --> 00:25:25.200
It looked like the crew had dragged some cameras across it.

551
00:25:25.440 --> 00:25:28.259
Oh, and another thing as well, right?

552
00:25:28.319 --> 00:25:28.559
right?

553
00:25:28.619 --> 00:25:33.960
Was all of the weirdness that happens in this episode, they give

554
00:25:33.960 --> 00:25:37.079
boring technobabble explanations for.

555
00:25:37.140 --> 00:25:40.500
And there's a couple of scenes where they're just, I mean, I'll

556
00:25:40.500 --> 00:25:42.119
quote some of the dialogue when we get there.

557
00:25:42.119 --> 00:25:45.119
And I was like, no, is this the best you can do?

558
00:25:45.180 --> 00:25:47.819
Like I know you're trying to make this rational.

559
00:25:47.880 --> 00:25:52.319
But you're taking something that's supposed to be scary and making

560
00:25:52.319 --> 00:25:55.259
it even more boring than it's being presented.

561
00:25:55.319 --> 00:25:59.099
But again, you know, she's looking for a rational explanation, but

562
00:25:59.099 --> 00:26:01.920
the actual explanation isn't a rational one.

563
00:26:01.980 --> 00:26:03.900
It's an alien did it with magic.

564
00:26:03.960 --> 00:26:08.579
And I like the idea that what looks like a little throwaway thing

565
00:26:08.579 --> 00:26:09.299
at the beginning.

566
00:26:09.420 --> 00:26:13.559
It looks like maybe the holodecks or the hollow emitters are out

567
00:26:13.559 --> 00:26:16.500
of control in some way and that's what's going wrong and that's a

568
00:26:16.500 --> 00:26:18.900
reason...

569
00:26:18.960 --> 00:26:20.039
Yeah, yeah.

570
00:26:20.099 --> 00:26:23.640
Because, and because hollow emitters are always in this confined

571
00:26:23.640 --> 00:26:27.480
space and Voyager has this additional thing where there are ones

572
00:26:27.480 --> 00:26:31.799
outside the holodeck, um, and what happens if they are misbehaving

573
00:26:31.799 --> 00:26:33.839
in some ways do they cause hallucinations?

574
00:26:33.839 --> 00:26:35.099
And that's a plausible thing.

575
00:26:35.160 --> 00:26:37.799
It would have been a boring episode, but it ended up being a

576
00:26:37.799 --> 00:26:38.759
boring episode anyway.

577
00:26:38.819 --> 00:26:43.019
You know, like when characters are alone, yeah, in their quarters

578
00:26:43.019 --> 00:26:47.279
or whatever, and suddenly, you know, someone says, Catherine, Jacot

579
00:26:47.279 --> 00:26:51.000
say, you hear like a voice or somebody from the past or a relation

580
00:26:51.000 --> 00:26:52.079
or something like that.

581
00:26:52.140 --> 00:26:57.420
If you did a supercar of how many times that happens in 90s trek

582
00:26:57.420 --> 00:26:57.599
yeah.

583
00:26:57.660 --> 00:27:00.059
You'd get about 5 episodes worth of material.

584
00:27:00.119 --> 00:27:01.019
It all the time.

585
00:27:02.220 --> 00:27:05.819
It's just like, it's just like, if you want to try and be weird

586
00:27:05.819 --> 00:27:07.380
and scary, harder.

587
00:27:07.440 --> 00:27:09.119
Yeah, yeah.

588
00:27:09.359 --> 00:27:13.619
Let's jump out of genre conventions and try a bit harder.

589
00:27:13.799 --> 00:27:17.339
That's why I was pleased, you know, when we did that gone episode

590
00:27:17.339 --> 00:27:18.960
of Strange New Worlds, you know.

591
00:27:19.019 --> 00:27:20.579
They weren't doing none of that bullshit.

592
00:27:20.640 --> 00:27:24.000
They just went straight for the visceral horror, bursting out of

593
00:27:24.000 --> 00:27:24.539
somebody, you know?

594
00:27:24.599 --> 00:27:29.400
Which, I mean, it's not super original, but it is new to Star Trek

595
00:27:29.400 --> 00:27:33.420
and it's a level of horror that Star Trek hadn't been able to

596
00:27:33.420 --> 00:27:34.380
access before.

597
00:27:34.380 --> 00:27:37.019
I've got something nice to say.

598
00:27:37.140 --> 00:27:39.839
Enjoyed us because it's going to be rare this episode.

599
00:27:39.900 --> 00:27:43.440
I think Mulgrew and Phillips have really wonderful chemistry.

600
00:27:43.500 --> 00:27:46.440
And in this scene where she's going, I mean, it's a terribly

601
00:27:46.440 --> 00:27:47.160
written scene.

602
00:27:47.279 --> 00:27:48.119
We had the pate.

603
00:27:48.180 --> 00:27:49.259
He goes delectable.

604
00:27:49.319 --> 00:27:49.980
We had this.

605
00:27:50.039 --> 00:27:53.220
He goes, delicious, you know, and they just bat it back and forth

606
00:27:53.220 --> 00:27:55.619
and there's some fun interplay between the 2 of them.

607
00:27:55.680 --> 00:27:58.740
I think this is a relationship they could have explored a lot more

608
00:27:58.740 --> 00:28:00.240
in the 7 year run as well.

609
00:28:00.359 --> 00:28:04.440
Because there's a wonderful episode where they get to the edge of

610
00:28:04.440 --> 00:28:05.640
Neelix's knowledge.

611
00:28:05.640 --> 00:28:09.720
And then in order to gain a map of the rest of the Delta Quadrant

612
00:28:09.779 --> 00:28:12.299
He does all of this nefarious criminal activities.

613
00:28:12.299 --> 00:28:14.039
And there's a scene at the end.

614
00:28:14.099 --> 00:28:17.339
It's devastating because she's so angry and upset with him.

615
00:28:17.339 --> 00:28:23.880
And his reaction to that of like, oh, disappointing you is like

616
00:28:23.880 --> 00:28:25.019
the last thing.

617
00:28:25.019 --> 00:28:26.700
I was trying to do the complete opposite.

618
00:28:26.759 --> 00:28:29.519
And there's real dramatic potential in that relationship.

619
00:28:30.059 --> 00:28:34.319
Yeah, I mean, I think this up to this point it's pretty

620
00:28:34.319 --> 00:28:35.099
agreeable.

621
00:28:35.160 --> 00:28:37.859
You know, like I have no objections to this.

622
00:28:37.920 --> 00:28:39.480
It's not middling.

623
00:28:39.539 --> 00:28:40.380
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

624
00:28:40.440 --> 00:28:43.019
But, you know, like it just reminded me of why I like these people

625
00:28:43.019 --> 00:28:46.019
and there's been a lot of Cade in it and she's terrific.

626
00:28:46.140 --> 00:28:49.920
So, you know, the bit where I realise, I think it might be now.

627
00:28:49.980 --> 00:28:52.619
The bit where I realise, oh God, they're not going to make a

628
00:28:52.619 --> 00:28:55.859
single scare here in this, was when the little girl turns up in

629
00:28:55.859 --> 00:28:56.940
Sick Bay, right?

630
00:28:57.000 --> 00:28:59.759
And she said, just as like a ghostly figure.

631
00:28:59.759 --> 00:29:03.240
And then she sort of whishes across...

632
00:29:03.299 --> 00:29:07.440
In the limpest imaginable special affair that he's coming.

633
00:29:07.500 --> 00:29:08.940
So bad.

634
00:29:09.180 --> 00:29:12.960
I mean, I did perk up when Carolyn Seymour turned up in the

635
00:29:12.960 --> 00:29:17.940
quarters, but just for like about 5 seconds, just because she's so

636
00:29:17.940 --> 00:29:18.359
great.

637
00:29:18.359 --> 00:29:20.700
But it is the idea.

638
00:29:20.759 --> 00:29:26.579
The most boring idea that an alien came and did it using its magic

639
00:29:26.579 --> 00:29:27.000
powers.

640
00:29:27.059 --> 00:29:32.339
Like, there's no interesting technology. an interesting alien.

641
00:29:32.400 --> 00:29:35.400
It's seeing into their minds, but not seeing anything very

642
00:29:35.400 --> 00:29:36.359
interesting about them.

643
00:29:36.420 --> 00:29:41.819
We actually go to this well again in a few episodes time in Cold

644
00:29:41.819 --> 00:29:46.740
Fire when Suspiria, the 2nd caretaker, comes on the ship, and she

645
00:29:46.740 --> 00:29:49.500
does similarly weird and wonderful things to people.

646
00:29:49.559 --> 00:29:54.359
But it's intercut with a subplot about KES exploring her mental

647
00:29:54.359 --> 00:29:57.599
powers as an accompa and those powers getting out of control.

648
00:29:57.660 --> 00:30:00.720
So there's just like a really riveting character through line in

649
00:30:00.720 --> 00:30:01.140
that episode.

650
00:30:01.200 --> 00:30:05.519
I think I remember the discovery of Suspiria being interesting as

651
00:30:05.519 --> 00:30:09.480
well because, you know, caretaker ends, doesn't it, with us?

652
00:30:09.539 --> 00:30:11.579
Don't you remember how she manifests?

653
00:30:12.180 --> 00:30:16.559
It's a little girl in a blue dress and she, and she has a bad

654
00:30:16.559 --> 00:30:20.039
voice dubbed over her going, did you really think you could defeat

655
00:30:20.039 --> 00:30:20.400
me?

656
00:30:20.819 --> 00:30:22.619
Do you know what I mean?

657
00:30:22.680 --> 00:30:25.259
That's exciting because we knew about the caretaker.

658
00:30:25.319 --> 00:30:29.880
We know the caretaker is why we're here and the caretaker that far

659
00:30:29.880 --> 00:30:30.299
out.

660
00:30:30.359 --> 00:30:31.259
That's so bad.

661
00:30:31.319 --> 00:30:35.579
Kate Mulgruz, a ghost, has just floated into me acting. looks very

662
00:30:35.579 --> 00:30:37.079
like Gates McFadden's.

663
00:30:37.259 --> 00:30:39.420
I'm having an orgasm from a ghost.

664
00:30:39.480 --> 00:30:41.819
She's dancing into a bit of a thing, doesn't she?

665
00:30:41.880 --> 00:30:42.539
Oh, yeah.

666
00:30:43.140 --> 00:30:47.160
And all of this about Kez's pre-cognitive.

667
00:30:47.220 --> 00:30:51.000
I don't know, I'm just getting a sense of somebody in the room.

668
00:30:51.059 --> 00:30:54.359
But why is that shot not from Kate's point of view?

669
00:30:54.420 --> 00:30:57.839
She says the alien rush the little kid rushed towards me.

670
00:30:57.900 --> 00:31:01.619
Why don't we see that from her point of view rather than, you know

671
00:31:01.619 --> 00:31:05.099
like the sort of weird matted on kind of you mentioned?

672
00:31:05.220 --> 00:31:06.059
Don't make it a ghost.

673
00:31:06.119 --> 00:31:08.460
Yeah, if you are a clever director, make it the little girl

674
00:31:08.460 --> 00:31:09.960
running straight at the camera.

675
00:31:10.019 --> 00:31:12.119
Like kids are demonic, you know, make it scary.

676
00:31:12.180 --> 00:31:13.200
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

677
00:31:13.259 --> 00:31:13.619
Yeah.

678
00:31:13.680 --> 00:31:15.420
They don't have time. very odd.

679
00:31:15.539 --> 00:31:19.680
And they say now, bloody hell. climaxes with Carol and Seymour, so

680
00:31:19.680 --> 00:31:20.099
I'm happy.

681
00:31:20.160 --> 00:31:23.759
But she wanders around her quarters for about 2 minutes before

682
00:31:23.759 --> 00:31:24.660
anything happens.

683
00:31:24.720 --> 00:31:28.740
I was wondering about her quarters, and again, strangely worlds

684
00:31:28.740 --> 00:31:31.380
where the quarters are all really well lit and also fucking

685
00:31:31.380 --> 00:31:35.819
massive, you know, like everyone has these just giant quarters on

686
00:31:35.819 --> 00:31:36.480
that ship.

687
00:31:36.539 --> 00:31:38.700
Like, I don't know.

688
00:31:38.759 --> 00:31:39.900
I think this is quite comfortable.

689
00:31:40.019 --> 00:31:42.359
Yeah, I was thinking I would quite like it.

690
00:31:42.420 --> 00:31:44.160
I would want to turn the lights up.

691
00:31:44.220 --> 00:31:47.339
And you can just go to the wall and say, give me coffee ice cream

692
00:31:47.339 --> 00:31:49.980
which coffee ice cream is just delicious.

693
00:31:50.039 --> 00:31:51.119
Oh, it's my favourite.

694
00:31:51.539 --> 00:31:56.519
I don't want anything that tastes like coffee that isn't coffee, I

695
00:31:56.519 --> 00:31:56.700
think.

696
00:31:56.759 --> 00:31:59.880
She goes, they get, the director goes, well, you just have a bit

697
00:31:59.880 --> 00:32:01.319
of that ice cream before it melts, please.

698
00:32:01.380 --> 00:32:03.420
We're going to be in this room for about 3 hours.

699
00:32:04.380 --> 00:32:06.599
Oh, dear, okay.

700
00:32:06.660 --> 00:32:07.319
What you been drinking?

701
00:32:07.440 --> 00:32:10.740
What's that in the...

702
00:32:10.799 --> 00:32:13.920
You got to have vegetable bouillon.

703
00:32:14.039 --> 00:32:14.819
Bouillon?

704
00:32:14.880 --> 00:32:16.019
She had soup.

705
00:32:16.079 --> 00:32:17.519
She did say that she had soup.

706
00:32:17.579 --> 00:32:19.079
Vegetable, yeah.

707
00:32:19.140 --> 00:32:22.259
It's just like, you know, that's what she originally asked for.

708
00:32:22.319 --> 00:32:25.799
And then she asked for the coffee ice cream instead, some stock.

709
00:32:25.859 --> 00:32:29.160
Because the night before, remember, she said that she to Neelix

710
00:32:29.160 --> 00:32:33.000
said she just had some soup. and she's decided, no, I'll do

711
00:32:33.000 --> 00:32:34.319
something nice for myself.

712
00:32:34.319 --> 00:32:36.599
She doesn't take advice Well, does she?

713
00:32:36.660 --> 00:32:38.940
They're saying eat something and she wants vegetable water.

714
00:32:39.000 --> 00:32:42.599
Well, but she decides against it because she had had it the night

715
00:32:42.599 --> 00:32:44.640
before and goes for the ice cream.

716
00:32:44.700 --> 00:32:48.720
So Mark is here and again, that's an important part of her

717
00:32:48.720 --> 00:32:55.319
character bio, and this could have been a way of, because it's

718
00:32:55.319 --> 00:32:56.759
called persistence of vision, right?

719
00:32:56.819 --> 00:33:01.019
And so she's still seeing Mark, even though she's lost him forever

720
00:33:01.140 --> 00:33:03.000
as far as she knows at the moment.

721
00:33:03.119 --> 00:33:06.900
Um, and how does she feel about that?

722
00:33:07.680 --> 00:33:12.000
Again, his performance, because it's supposed to be something sort

723
00:33:12.000 --> 00:33:13.500
of evil and threatening.

724
00:33:13.559 --> 00:33:17.099
Yeah, I just don't believe in the relationship because he is

725
00:33:17.099 --> 00:33:19.079
playing it in a slightly mannered way.

726
00:33:19.500 --> 00:33:23.579
Do you remember the bit where she gets the letter from Mark in

727
00:33:23.579 --> 00:33:27.900
Hunter's and she realises that he's moved on and remarried and

728
00:33:27.900 --> 00:33:29.519
it's like a knife in your heart.

729
00:33:29.579 --> 00:33:30.599
It's so well done.

730
00:33:30.660 --> 00:33:32.339
I felt nothing.

731
00:33:32.400 --> 00:33:33.660
No, no.

732
00:33:34.680 --> 00:33:37.079
I don't think you've missed me.

733
00:33:37.140 --> 00:33:39.299
Someone else is in your thoughts now.

734
00:33:39.359 --> 00:33:40.680
Oh, please.

735
00:33:40.680 --> 00:33:42.180
God's sake.

736
00:33:42.480 --> 00:33:47.099
Is this a comment on all those dreadful Gothic romances that she's

737
00:33:47.099 --> 00:33:47.700
obsessed with?

738
00:33:47.759 --> 00:33:50.819
Well, I don't know, because nothing really, is that someone else

739
00:33:50.819 --> 00:33:51.779
is in your thoughts now?

740
00:33:51.839 --> 00:33:53.220
Yes, it would go early.

741
00:33:53.279 --> 00:33:55.500
You've been snogging Lord Burleigh.

742
00:33:55.559 --> 00:33:59.160
Everything was fine before you came here.

743
00:33:59.220 --> 00:34:01.380
I took care of him.

744
00:34:01.440 --> 00:34:05.339
He trusted me, but when you arrived, that all changed.

745
00:34:08.099 --> 00:34:11.760
Nathan, you've done nothing but cause trouble here.

746
00:34:12.000 --> 00:34:15.119
We don't want more trouble in our lives.

747
00:34:15.420 --> 00:34:20.039
And now look, look, she won't look at the camera because it's a

748
00:34:20.039 --> 00:34:20.760
stunt double.

749
00:34:20.820 --> 00:34:21.960
It's so bad.

750
00:34:22.019 --> 00:34:22.860
That'd be a direction.

751
00:34:22.920 --> 00:34:23.699
Did you see?

752
00:34:23.760 --> 00:34:25.199
You're right.

753
00:34:25.739 --> 00:34:28.380
That is quite a shocking thing too.

754
00:34:28.440 --> 00:34:30.119
And she's really selling it.

755
00:34:30.179 --> 00:34:32.699
That's great when we discover she's not in her quarters at all.

756
00:34:32.760 --> 00:34:33.659
She's in Sig Bay.

757
00:34:33.719 --> 00:34:35.880
That's actually really, really well.

758
00:34:35.940 --> 00:34:38.159
When she goes, security, please respond.

759
00:34:38.219 --> 00:34:39.840
Yeah, the panic.

760
00:34:39.900 --> 00:34:40.860
It's real, isn't it?

761
00:34:40.920 --> 00:34:43.920
And when she looks at her hands, that's great.

762
00:34:43.980 --> 00:34:45.840
That's so good.

763
00:34:45.900 --> 00:34:49.199
Like, and she's, you know, you're giving Kate this stuff to do.

764
00:34:49.260 --> 00:34:49.800
She's awesome.

765
00:34:50.519 --> 00:34:53.639
Boy, Joe, why did you waste it for 7 years?

766
00:34:53.639 --> 00:34:55.320
Where it was from, would you be?

767
00:34:55.440 --> 00:34:59.159
You had one of the greatest weapons in American television.

768
00:35:00.300 --> 00:35:03.059
Oh, look, Chakotay's around, look.

769
00:35:03.119 --> 00:35:04.500
Yes, he's still on the show.

770
00:35:04.800 --> 00:35:09.239
He's like the Hoshi, avoid, you know, he gets the odd line.

771
00:35:09.300 --> 00:35:10.199
Yeah.

772
00:35:10.199 --> 00:35:10.980
Yeah.

773
00:35:11.039 --> 00:35:11.699
Yeah.

774
00:35:11.760 --> 00:35:16.079
But even at this point, you know, and he does get a thing here, but

775
00:35:16.079 --> 00:35:22.980
it's, you know, um, it's, uh, Phantom hallucination, uh, Chakotay

776
00:35:22.980 --> 00:35:23.579
obviously.

777
00:35:23.699 --> 00:35:25.380
Oh, God.

778
00:35:25.440 --> 00:35:29.400
The only bit in the climax that really made me perk up when they

779
00:35:29.400 --> 00:35:32.760
was in bed together and she goes, yes.

780
00:35:35.699 --> 00:35:38.280
I was like, oh, please.

781
00:35:39.059 --> 00:35:42.840
Oh, and please keep your, Oh, you can't keep your ears out because

782
00:35:42.840 --> 00:35:45.900
we're not listening with sound, but to Robert Duncan McNeil, when

783
00:35:45.900 --> 00:35:49.260
he's in the corridor and he gets to do some top notch, McNeil

784
00:35:49.260 --> 00:35:49.739
shouting.

785
00:35:49.800 --> 00:35:53.099
No, please.

786
00:35:53.400 --> 00:35:55.199
Just terrible.

787
00:35:55.260 --> 00:35:57.599
In fact, in the 2nd half of the episode.

788
00:35:57.659 --> 00:36:00.599
Essentially, the core cast forget how to act.

789
00:36:00.719 --> 00:36:03.659
Yeah, because there's nothing going on.

790
00:36:03.719 --> 00:36:06.420
Like, you know, okay, it's been great here.

791
00:36:07.619 --> 00:36:09.059
Yeah.

792
00:36:09.119 --> 00:36:11.820
None of that's very interesting, is it?

793
00:36:11.880 --> 00:36:14.579
So this is KS explaining the thing that we just saw.

794
00:36:16.980 --> 00:36:19.800
Why doesn't anyone just go, do you know what?

795
00:36:19.860 --> 00:36:21.179
Should we just leave here?

796
00:36:21.239 --> 00:36:25.199
Ever since we came here, start happening.

797
00:36:25.260 --> 00:36:27.780
Don't they have the Bothans and they have to go through?

798
00:36:27.900 --> 00:36:29.639
Oh okay.

799
00:36:29.699 --> 00:36:31.380
Oh yes, yes, yeah.

800
00:36:31.440 --> 00:36:33.659
We have to go through both in space to get home.

801
00:36:33.719 --> 00:36:38.579
It's a common problem that you can't go around in, in the delta.

802
00:36:38.579 --> 00:36:41.579
The space is quite big, but you can't go around things.

803
00:36:41.639 --> 00:36:46.800
It would add another 100 years to our voice.age. 100 years of

804
00:36:46.800 --> 00:36:46.980
this.

805
00:36:47.039 --> 00:36:48.119
Alright, let's go through.

806
00:36:48.179 --> 00:36:51.300
No, so this guy's being intransigent for no particular reason

807
00:36:51.300 --> 00:36:55.139
because in both in society, they haven't heard of sick leave or

808
00:36:55.139 --> 00:36:57.360
having a deputy, apparently.

809
00:36:57.420 --> 00:37:01.440
And so, you know, all of that's kind of happening.

810
00:37:01.500 --> 00:37:05.159
I think Chakotay is quite good in this scene and I think Chakotay

811
00:37:05.159 --> 00:37:07.739
is quite good in the scene where he says you go and rest.

812
00:37:07.860 --> 00:37:11.159
There are other members of the crew who have, you've trained, we

813
00:37:11.159 --> 00:37:13.739
know what we're doing, you know, because...

814
00:37:13.739 --> 00:37:16.380
I think he's blow dried his hair too much as well, though.

815
00:37:16.440 --> 00:37:18.659
If you know it's sort of how fluffy and sticky up he is.

816
00:37:18.719 --> 00:37:21.900
But don't you think she's being a kind of bad manager if she can't

817
00:37:21.900 --> 00:37:27.239
just say, yes, I'm going on leave. you can all sort this out.

818
00:37:27.300 --> 00:37:30.840
You know, oh, I found all of that so tedious.

819
00:37:30.900 --> 00:37:33.000
Yes, and this thing's doing and that needs to do it.

820
00:37:33.000 --> 00:37:34.380
It's just like, come on.

821
00:37:34.440 --> 00:37:36.300
We've done that a 100 times as well.

822
00:37:36.360 --> 00:37:37.260
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

823
00:37:37.320 --> 00:37:37.860
Yeah.

824
00:37:37.920 --> 00:37:38.400
You know.

825
00:37:38.519 --> 00:37:40.980
I liked it in DS9 when they catch the chase.

826
00:37:41.039 --> 00:37:44.280
So Brian was away and everything broke down the 2nd he left.

827
00:37:45.840 --> 00:37:49.079
Including, you'll be pleased to hear the lift.

828
00:37:49.139 --> 00:37:50.579
It takes you up to ops.

829
00:37:51.059 --> 00:37:53.519
That terrible...

830
00:37:53.519 --> 00:37:55.920
That's a really frick to be chattering, as it were.

831
00:37:56.940 --> 00:38:01.320
So the 2 ships, the 2 illusory ships.

832
00:38:01.380 --> 00:38:03.059
So we think they're real at this point.

833
00:38:03.119 --> 00:38:05.460
One of them's a Kazon ship for some reason.

834
00:38:05.519 --> 00:38:12.239
Uh, another one looks like the Tamarian ship from uh, Darmok, and

835
00:38:12.239 --> 00:38:14.460
I think the 3rd one has been used before as well.

836
00:38:15.239 --> 00:38:18.059
Well, that's all right though, because it's all coming from their

837
00:38:18.059 --> 00:38:18.900
minds, isn't it?

838
00:38:18.960 --> 00:38:21.059
So it seems that we've experienced before.

839
00:38:21.420 --> 00:38:24.840
Somebody must have been reading about Dar Mok that day.

840
00:38:24.900 --> 00:38:26.639
Maybe, yeah, that's right.

841
00:38:26.699 --> 00:38:30.659
But again, you know, like, why, why can't she just stay in the

842
00:38:30.659 --> 00:38:34.860
fucking Sik Bay like she's told that's, that's crazy behaviour

843
00:38:34.860 --> 00:38:35.579
now?

844
00:38:35.639 --> 00:38:36.900
Don't you love as well?

845
00:38:36.960 --> 00:38:41.340
You know, the very unthreatening way that when they're seduced by

846
00:38:41.340 --> 00:38:43.380
the visions that they get, you know?

847
00:38:43.440 --> 00:38:47.519
They sort of stare vacantly at whatever they're seeing.

848
00:38:47.579 --> 00:38:47.820
Yeah.

849
00:38:47.880 --> 00:38:50.340
But, you know, the trouble is, Robert Duncan McNeil, Garrett

850
00:38:50.340 --> 00:38:50.639
Wang.

851
00:38:50.699 --> 00:38:52.559
I can't tell the difference between that and their usual

852
00:38:52.559 --> 00:38:53.519
performances, you know?

853
00:38:55.019 --> 00:38:58.800
Yeah, oh, a bit of, look, they've put a bit of smoke in the ship

854
00:38:58.800 --> 00:39:02.460
you know, they turn the lights down. does this every episode

855
00:39:02.460 --> 00:39:02.820
doesn't it?

856
00:39:02.880 --> 00:39:03.840
Well, it does this.

857
00:39:03.900 --> 00:39:06.300
Yeah, ship going around it, you know?

858
00:39:06.360 --> 00:39:07.800
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

859
00:39:07.860 --> 00:39:08.219
Yeah.

860
00:39:08.280 --> 00:39:10.559
We've done some recently. the voyage, you remember?

861
00:39:10.619 --> 00:39:12.539
You know, had a load of ships going around, Voyager.

862
00:39:12.599 --> 00:39:18.719
The one visual, the one visual innovation is the atmosphere on his

863
00:39:18.719 --> 00:39:19.199
ship.

864
00:39:19.260 --> 00:39:23.099
Yes, it's very unlike what you normally do because normally you'll

865
00:39:23.099 --> 00:39:25.199
have a flat behind them immediately, won't you?

866
00:39:25.260 --> 00:39:27.360
They won't be in a space.

867
00:39:28.139 --> 00:39:31.380
It's not quite dark enough though, is it?

868
00:39:31.440 --> 00:39:35.219
I can't just see his features. that's up close. stupid alien.

869
00:39:35.280 --> 00:39:35.820
Yeah, that's right.

870
00:39:35.880 --> 00:39:39.719
That's right mark on the screen, you know, just in the same way

871
00:39:39.719 --> 00:39:43.260
that Abraham Lincoln came floating towards screen in TOS.

872
00:39:43.320 --> 00:39:45.239
Here comes Mark.

873
00:39:45.780 --> 00:39:47.579
Oh, that's all right.

874
00:39:47.639 --> 00:39:48.900
Everybody's seeing somebody different.

875
00:39:48.960 --> 00:39:51.119
So I'd probably see that mother. would not if it was me.

876
00:39:51.179 --> 00:39:51.840
Well, who would you see?

877
00:39:52.559 --> 00:39:54.539
I'd say Mark.

878
00:39:54.659 --> 00:39:56.579
I'd say the dog. actually.

879
00:39:56.940 --> 00:39:59.219
No, you see your dog.

880
00:39:59.280 --> 00:40:00.480
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

881
00:40:00.539 --> 00:40:01.139
Yeah, yeah.

882
00:40:01.199 --> 00:40:02.280
Okay.

883
00:40:02.340 --> 00:40:08.579
So this is the person that Tom Paris is seeing his father because

884
00:40:08.579 --> 00:40:11.280
that's the only characteristic that he has.

885
00:40:11.340 --> 00:40:14.280
The 1st person to play his father mine.

886
00:40:14.340 --> 00:40:20.099
So he is only in this episode, but he is also, they get him into

887
00:40:20.099 --> 00:40:21.840
do a voiceover in 30 days.

888
00:40:21.900 --> 00:40:27.300
Remember, because 30 days has a sort of hastily reshot, like a

889
00:40:27.300 --> 00:40:28.440
wonderful episode, though.

890
00:40:28.500 --> 00:40:30.000
Great episode.

891
00:40:30.059 --> 00:40:32.219
But it's got the sort of shitty plot where he's in prison

892
00:40:32.219 --> 00:40:34.860
dictating something to his father or something.

893
00:40:34.920 --> 00:40:36.780
And we hear his father's voice.

894
00:40:36.840 --> 00:40:41.280
So they do get him back into play Paris and then obviously they

895
00:40:41.280 --> 00:40:45.780
get a more famous actor, Richard Hurd to play him in the... at

896
00:40:45.780 --> 00:40:47.219
that point, isn't he, at that point?

897
00:40:47.280 --> 00:40:48.960
Well, he's actually only in 4 episodes.

898
00:40:49.019 --> 00:40:50.460
Oh, was he really?

899
00:40:50.519 --> 00:40:52.440
Oh, yeah, but one of them's endgame.

900
00:40:52.500 --> 00:40:56.760
Oh, Nathan, look at this matting of Tuvok into Vulcan.

901
00:40:56.820 --> 00:40:59.400
I don't hate it.

902
00:40:59.460 --> 00:41:02.280
It isn't very good. wrong with you?

903
00:41:02.579 --> 00:41:04.980
But it's something.

904
00:41:05.039 --> 00:41:06.840
They're at least trying something.

905
00:41:07.079 --> 00:41:10.260
I don't think they are trying, do you know?

906
00:41:10.320 --> 00:41:14.219
Because I, there are better examples of matting than that in 90s.

907
00:41:14.280 --> 00:41:17.760
No, no, no, no, no. a bit shitty and terribly cheap and it looks

908
00:41:17.760 --> 00:41:20.880
like a curtain that's been painted and just sort of strung up

909
00:41:20.880 --> 00:41:21.179
behind it.

910
00:41:21.239 --> 00:41:22.619
This is the scene, isn't it?

911
00:41:22.679 --> 00:41:25.019
A psionic field, having a psychoactive effect.

912
00:41:25.079 --> 00:41:27.059
It's all a techno-babble disc.

913
00:41:27.119 --> 00:41:30.780
The shields in the meantime, I'm going to resonance the burst from

914
00:41:30.780 --> 00:41:31.679
the warp court.

915
00:41:31.679 --> 00:41:32.579
Well, good for you.

916
00:41:32.639 --> 00:41:34.079
That'll block the field.

917
00:41:34.139 --> 00:41:36.059
It's going to take a little while to set up.

918
00:41:36.119 --> 00:41:38.039
And oh, it just goes on and on and on.

919
00:41:38.340 --> 00:41:41.159
Yeah, but they don't need any of that.

920
00:41:41.219 --> 00:41:42.719
Like, do you know what I mean?

921
00:41:42.780 --> 00:41:44.039
We can block those things.

922
00:41:44.099 --> 00:41:45.840
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

923
00:41:45.900 --> 00:41:46.800
All of that's very far.

924
00:41:46.860 --> 00:41:49.500
If we ever needed a morale officer, now's the time, but he doesn't

925
00:41:49.500 --> 00:41:49.920
do anything.

926
00:41:49.980 --> 00:41:51.420
No.

927
00:41:51.480 --> 00:41:53.400
Yeah, but he goes off to help.

928
00:41:53.460 --> 00:41:55.679
Oh, we don't see him do that, though.

929
00:41:55.739 --> 00:41:57.840
But why is she back on board the ship now?

930
00:41:57.900 --> 00:41:58.920
Yes.

931
00:41:59.099 --> 00:42:02.159
Yeah, see, he says, can't you relax for a minute?

932
00:42:02.219 --> 00:42:07.800
Mark says to he says to her, can't you relax for a minute?

933
00:42:07.860 --> 00:42:13.260
And like as if we're going to address her weird behaviour, or her

934
00:42:13.260 --> 00:42:17.460
kind of obsessive, you know, controlling behaviour.

935
00:42:17.519 --> 00:42:19.079
But as well.

936
00:42:19.139 --> 00:42:20.519
Now, now it's about everybody.

937
00:42:20.639 --> 00:42:22.019
It's so less interesting.

938
00:42:22.079 --> 00:42:23.940
You know, when it was focussing on Janeway.

939
00:42:24.000 --> 00:42:24.719
Exactly.

940
00:42:24.719 --> 00:42:26.760
They could have done a character episode about her.

941
00:42:26.820 --> 00:42:31.500
But now it's just little titbits about everyone that are not

942
00:42:31.500 --> 00:42:32.400
interesting tippets.

943
00:42:32.460 --> 00:42:35.760
No, because we don't have a through line or a proper idea and we

944
00:42:35.760 --> 00:42:38.219
have to eat up 42 minutes of running time.

945
00:42:38.280 --> 00:42:41.579
And so you know, so that's kind of what we do.

946
00:42:41.940 --> 00:42:45.480
You ever had any trouble with psionic fields, maybe?

947
00:42:45.539 --> 00:42:47.760
Not that many, no.

948
00:42:47.820 --> 00:42:49.019
No.

949
00:42:49.079 --> 00:42:51.719
I mean, I have had some hallucinations in the past, but it was

950
00:42:51.719 --> 00:42:53.280
nothing to do with psionic fields.

951
00:42:57.599 --> 00:43:01.079
Some pretty interesting ones like Alana as well.

952
00:43:01.440 --> 00:43:03.300
Oh, here we go.

953
00:43:03.360 --> 00:43:03.840
Here we go.

954
00:43:03.900 --> 00:43:05.099
We're doing the romance now.

955
00:43:05.159 --> 00:43:07.860
We should escape in an escape pods, B'lana.

956
00:43:07.920 --> 00:43:08.340
Come on.

957
00:43:08.400 --> 00:43:10.019
We can have it off in there as well.

958
00:43:12.360 --> 00:43:15.179
No, I have to keep trying.

959
00:43:15.239 --> 00:43:18.000
They're all depending on me Oh boy, oh boy, Nathan.

960
00:43:18.059 --> 00:43:19.019
Oh, no.

961
00:43:19.079 --> 00:43:22.500
I mean, yeah, like this, like now it's gone to hell.

962
00:43:22.559 --> 00:43:23.280
Where are we?

963
00:43:23.340 --> 00:43:24.420
How many minutes are we in?

964
00:43:24.480 --> 00:43:27.780
We are...

965
00:43:27.840 --> 00:43:28.739
We've got...

966
00:43:28.800 --> 00:43:31.019
Yeah, yeah, we've got less than a quarter now.

967
00:43:31.079 --> 00:43:32.099
I'm the one who loves you.

968
00:43:32.159 --> 00:43:33.659
Let me be close to you.

969
00:43:33.719 --> 00:43:36.599
This is the great hand in your throat.

970
00:43:36.659 --> 00:43:38.159
Yeah, look at that.

971
00:43:38.219 --> 00:43:41.880
Yeah, she was into bondage, you know, but I think that's a bit

972
00:43:41.880 --> 00:43:42.059
yeah.

973
00:43:42.059 --> 00:43:43.619
She was a Klingon, you know.

974
00:43:43.679 --> 00:43:44.760
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

975
00:43:45.239 --> 00:43:45.900
They like pain.

976
00:43:45.960 --> 00:43:47.639
Are we getting into it properly?

977
00:43:47.699 --> 00:43:51.360
Is it like, is she kind of going, oh, you know, I'm getting to

978
00:43:51.360 --> 00:43:51.960
snob.

979
00:43:52.019 --> 00:43:52.800
Oh, here we go. look.

980
00:43:52.860 --> 00:43:55.619
Now this, I did think this was well shot, like in the silhouette

981
00:43:55.619 --> 00:43:59.219
in the dark with the 2 of them romping about in the bed.

982
00:43:59.280 --> 00:44:02.340
But her reaction when he goes, you know, don't you want me?

983
00:44:02.400 --> 00:44:03.300
You really want me.

984
00:44:03.360 --> 00:44:04.980
And she just suddenly goes, yes.

985
00:44:08.460 --> 00:44:12.420
I mean, we know that this is all fake, don't we?

986
00:44:12.480 --> 00:44:13.679
We know this is all fake.

987
00:44:13.739 --> 00:44:15.239
It's not, though.

988
00:44:15.300 --> 00:44:16.320
They pulled out of her mind.

989
00:44:16.380 --> 00:44:18.360
So clearly she does have some lust for him.

990
00:44:18.420 --> 00:44:23.460
So on the memory alpha page, Roxanne says no, she didn't.

991
00:44:23.460 --> 00:44:24.480
The character didn't.

992
00:44:24.539 --> 00:44:27.239
She doesn't think that that was just a male thing.

993
00:44:27.300 --> 00:44:28.679
Why are you playing there?

994
00:44:28.739 --> 00:44:32.820
There's something in her mind, you know, like, but like, it's not

995
00:44:32.820 --> 00:44:34.440
like we learn anything about her.

996
00:44:34.500 --> 00:44:37.980
There is quite a nice scene, I think, there's a kind of, let's

997
00:44:37.980 --> 00:44:40.860
explain what happened and how we feel about it seen at the end

998
00:44:40.860 --> 00:44:44.579
between B'Elana and Kate.

999
00:44:44.639 --> 00:44:46.380
And I thought that was okay.

1000
00:44:46.440 --> 00:44:51.599
Go watch prototype in about 3 episodes time where there's a

1001
00:44:51.599 --> 00:44:54.119
similar scene at the end, but it's actually very well written.

1002
00:44:54.179 --> 00:44:56.159
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1003
00:44:56.880 --> 00:45:01.260
Jerry Taylor as well. like she really wanted Chakotay and Janeway

1004
00:45:01.260 --> 00:45:01.860
together as well.

1005
00:45:01.920 --> 00:45:05.039
Like she just wants Chakotay with one of the women on the ship

1006
00:45:05.039 --> 00:45:05.639
doesn't she?

1007
00:45:05.699 --> 00:45:06.179
Yeah.

1008
00:45:06.179 --> 00:45:11.340
Yeah, but I mean, as we say it, the Jakotay Janeway Romance in

1009
00:45:11.340 --> 00:45:17.699
Resolutions Resolutions is one of the best ones in the history of

1010
00:45:17.699 --> 00:45:18.780
the franchise.

1011
00:45:18.840 --> 00:45:20.880
You know, the single episode romance.

1012
00:45:20.940 --> 00:45:22.860
I think it's probably the one that works the best.

1013
00:45:22.920 --> 00:45:26.099
Again, dropped him one episode and then forgotten about.

1014
00:45:26.159 --> 00:45:29.940
And I know it ties it up, I know, but there's so much potential

1015
00:45:29.940 --> 00:45:30.420
there.

1016
00:45:30.480 --> 00:45:31.800
Yeah, yeah, of course.

1017
00:45:33.000 --> 00:45:36.539
That's always my whinge about Voyager, isn't it?

1018
00:45:36.599 --> 00:45:37.380
Untapped potential.

1019
00:45:37.500 --> 00:45:39.360
Yeah, yeah.

1020
00:45:39.420 --> 00:45:42.300
I mean, their model is Star Trek the Next Generation, which

1021
00:45:42.300 --> 00:45:44.280
doesn't do that stuff very much.

1022
00:45:44.340 --> 00:45:48.960
Oh, look at Kate's reaction to seeing Robert like that.

1023
00:45:49.019 --> 00:45:51.719
You say that though, but then in the same breath, they do start

1024
00:45:51.719 --> 00:45:54.300
bringing in character arcs of people and things like that.

1025
00:45:54.360 --> 00:45:59.280
So I think they're caught in some weird middle grounds where it's

1026
00:45:59.280 --> 00:46:00.420
just not very satisfying.

1027
00:46:00.480 --> 00:46:01.320
No.

1028
00:46:01.380 --> 00:46:05.099
But I think they want this big high concept thing, but it's just

1029
00:46:05.099 --> 00:46:05.639
not enough.

1030
00:46:05.699 --> 00:46:09.659
I'm glad Jerry Taylor isn't actually right in proper romances, you

1031
00:46:09.659 --> 00:46:12.539
know, this daughter, who used to love it when I kissed you there.

1032
00:46:12.599 --> 00:46:15.179
Oh, yeah, yeah, who says that?

1033
00:46:15.599 --> 00:46:18.599
And now he's jealous about the holiday thing.

1034
00:46:18.659 --> 00:46:21.719
It's just like, come on, I'm having my quiet pawn time.

1035
00:46:21.780 --> 00:46:24.179
Your fucking 70,000 light years away.

1036
00:46:24.239 --> 00:46:26.820
I vow to stay faithful to you.

1037
00:46:27.059 --> 00:46:29.280
No matter how long it takes.

1038
00:46:29.340 --> 00:46:30.780
And then look at this.

1039
00:46:30.840 --> 00:46:34.679
Now she kisses him and it's another really ugly kiss.

1040
00:46:34.739 --> 00:46:37.559
Like, why is no kissing in 90s track sexy?

1041
00:46:37.619 --> 00:46:38.579
Oh no.

1042
00:46:38.639 --> 00:46:40.139
No, I take it back.

1043
00:46:40.199 --> 00:46:43.079
Penny Johnson Gerald, when she grabs hold of Avery Brooks.

1044
00:46:43.199 --> 00:46:43.920
That's pretty sexy.

1045
00:46:43.980 --> 00:46:45.780
She just goes for it.

1046
00:46:45.900 --> 00:46:48.000
Eddie's only barely acting at that point.

1047
00:46:48.059 --> 00:46:50.699
She literally says go to her husband, watch this bit.

1048
00:46:50.760 --> 00:46:51.480
This bit is great.

1049
00:46:55.260 --> 00:46:58.920
Oh, so now we're doing the thing where, you know, everyone

1050
00:46:58.920 --> 00:46:59.760
succumbed.

1051
00:46:59.820 --> 00:47:06.000
So the doctor and Kez, who has her, you know, she's a pals or

1052
00:47:06.000 --> 00:47:06.719
whatever they are, yeah.

1053
00:47:06.780 --> 00:47:08.039
I know, she's subject to it.

1054
00:47:08.099 --> 00:47:09.599
She'll she'll get it later.

1055
00:47:09.659 --> 00:47:10.320
Yeah.

1056
00:47:10.380 --> 00:47:11.340
Thank God.

1057
00:47:11.400 --> 00:47:14.519
Janeway said in caretaker that Kes could come along, you know, she

1058
00:47:14.519 --> 00:47:15.539
was thinking to say no.

1059
00:47:15.599 --> 00:47:18.239
Yeah, yeah Well, what about the doctor?

1060
00:47:18.239 --> 00:47:20.280
She shapes the ship more off than the Wesley Crusher.

1061
00:47:20.340 --> 00:47:23.099
Yeah, so does a doctor, though, for the same reason.

1062
00:47:23.159 --> 00:47:23.820
Yeah.

1063
00:47:23.880 --> 00:47:24.300
Yeah.

1064
00:47:24.360 --> 00:47:26.159
It's up to us now.

1065
00:47:26.219 --> 00:47:27.420
And now oh, we're going into this.

1066
00:47:27.480 --> 00:47:31.440
Unbelievably flaccid conclusion.

1067
00:47:32.280 --> 00:47:34.860
Yeah, so what happens now?

1068
00:47:34.920 --> 00:47:37.559
We've got how many more minutes of this?

1069
00:47:37.619 --> 00:47:40.860
She has to raise the temperature, or there're radiation levels on

1070
00:47:40.860 --> 00:47:44.579
Voyager, and then start the warp or something, there's some tent

1071
00:47:44.579 --> 00:47:47.760
of bad points she has to do, and goes to engineering and then

1072
00:47:47.760 --> 00:47:50.940
Neelix pops out of nowhere and goes, oh, sweetie.

1073
00:47:51.000 --> 00:47:52.980
Hello, let's let's go.

1074
00:47:53.099 --> 00:47:54.840
You know, we're needed elsewhere.

1075
00:47:54.900 --> 00:47:56.400
And then the 2nd she don't do it.

1076
00:47:56.460 --> 00:48:01.980
I like this little interaction, though, where the doctor says, oh

1077
00:48:01.980 --> 00:48:07.380
you know, B'lana had a thing and it was this and she says, oh, I

1078
00:48:07.380 --> 00:48:08.219
don't know how to do that.

1079
00:48:08.340 --> 00:48:10.380
And he goes, oh, it's simple.

1080
00:48:10.440 --> 00:48:12.539
And then he admits that he doesn't know how to do it either.

1081
00:48:12.599 --> 00:48:15.059
And he just sends her and says, look, I'll try and help you when I

1082
00:48:15.059 --> 00:48:16.440
get there. that was kind of good.

1083
00:48:17.820 --> 00:48:21.179
I'm clearly about 10 seconds ahead of you because when you said I

1084
00:48:21.179 --> 00:48:23.760
love this interaction, she was talking to Paris.

1085
00:48:23.820 --> 00:48:24.719
I was like really?

1086
00:48:24.780 --> 00:48:26.400
No, I met her in the dark.

1087
00:48:26.400 --> 00:48:27.659
I don't mean this terrible scene.

1088
00:48:27.719 --> 00:48:31.800
Nobody does hysterical Robert Donald McNeil better than you.

1089
00:48:31.860 --> 00:48:33.239
When he she walks away.

1090
00:48:33.300 --> 00:48:35.519
Will you just...

1091
00:48:35.579 --> 00:48:36.900
Yes, wait.

1092
00:48:37.920 --> 00:48:39.719
Come back.

1093
00:48:39.780 --> 00:48:42.059
Don't leave me.

1094
00:48:44.940 --> 00:48:48.059
It's like, yes, I'm leaving you behind.

1095
00:48:49.619 --> 00:48:51.599
God, look at them all.

1096
00:48:51.659 --> 00:48:54.360
They're all just sort of around the set looking a bit bored.

1097
00:48:54.480 --> 00:48:55.739
Yeah, yeah.

1098
00:48:55.800 --> 00:48:58.920
But poor Ethan Phillips now.

1099
00:48:58.980 --> 00:49:01.260
He's got to say things like, you know, you're starting to become

1100
00:49:01.260 --> 00:49:04.920
really annoying and things like this when she won't do what he

1101
00:49:04.920 --> 00:49:05.219
wants.

1102
00:49:05.340 --> 00:49:06.719
So the lines aren't good.

1103
00:49:06.780 --> 00:49:09.780
His delivery isn't good and it isn't threatening.

1104
00:49:09.840 --> 00:49:11.760
So I don't know.

1105
00:49:11.880 --> 00:49:13.260
Yeah, yeah.

1106
00:49:13.320 --> 00:49:13.739
Yeah.

1107
00:49:13.800 --> 00:49:20.820
The magnetic plasma, C equals T sub one over theta what?

1108
00:49:20.880 --> 00:49:22.019
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1109
00:49:22.079 --> 00:49:25.199
But doesn't he, he's sort of bluffing or he doesn't understand it

1110
00:49:25.199 --> 00:49:25.679
either.

1111
00:49:25.739 --> 00:49:26.460
How do I do that?

1112
00:49:26.519 --> 00:49:28.500
And he goes, I really have no idea.

1113
00:49:28.559 --> 00:49:30.000
That's right.

1114
00:49:30.059 --> 00:49:32.699
Like, that's kind of, that's okay.

1115
00:49:32.760 --> 00:49:37.380
I don't mind that And he's going to just consult chat GPT to find

1116
00:49:37.380 --> 00:49:38.280
out the answer.

1117
00:49:38.340 --> 00:49:39.599
Here we go.

1118
00:49:39.719 --> 00:49:41.159
Which is what we would all do, right?

1119
00:49:41.219 --> 00:49:42.179
Yeah, yeah.

1120
00:49:42.239 --> 00:49:43.559
At least something we can buy.

1121
00:49:43.619 --> 00:49:47.400
Don't use ChatGPT to find out facts, kids at home.

1122
00:49:47.579 --> 00:49:49.440
Or Wikipedia or...

1123
00:49:49.440 --> 00:49:50.460
Well, no, that's better.

1124
00:49:50.519 --> 00:49:53.579
You can trust memory alpha because those are geeks.

1125
00:49:53.699 --> 00:49:56.760
Those details have been quadruple checked.

1126
00:49:56.760 --> 00:49:59.519
The geek core. you know?

1127
00:49:59.579 --> 00:50:03.599
Thank God for them as well. doing this podcast would be

1128
00:50:03.599 --> 00:50:07.260
considerably harder, but it wasn't for the dedicated service of

1129
00:50:07.260 --> 00:50:07.920
all of those people.

1130
00:50:08.039 --> 00:50:10.199
So we need to get them nerds.

1131
00:50:10.260 --> 00:50:13.380
So we don't have to. exactly right Exactly, right.

1132
00:50:13.440 --> 00:50:17.579
I mean, I mean, when you're when your dramatic conclusion is, oh

1133
00:50:17.579 --> 00:50:20.460
my god. how do I enter the sequencing code?

1134
00:50:20.519 --> 00:50:23.460
You know, like, we've gone awry somewhere.

1135
00:50:23.940 --> 00:50:28.380
Yeah, look, Paul Reefer, he's trying to be scary, but it just

1136
00:50:28.380 --> 00:50:29.219
doesn't convince.

1137
00:50:29.340 --> 00:50:31.559
Well, and also everything's just in 2 shots.

1138
00:50:31.619 --> 00:50:32.519
Do you know what I mean?

1139
00:50:32.579 --> 00:50:35.820
Like, he needs to be like, how is he menacing just standing there

1140
00:50:35.820 --> 00:50:36.659
next to her?

1141
00:50:37.800 --> 00:50:41.639
Yeah, there really is no tension hero, shall we say?

1142
00:50:41.699 --> 00:50:45.239
Do we think that cares will not be able to raise the temperature?

1143
00:50:45.300 --> 00:50:46.199
Yeah.

1144
00:50:46.199 --> 00:50:47.159
Oh, God.

1145
00:50:47.219 --> 00:50:49.619
And now we're getting desperate, so we're going to do puff face

1146
00:50:49.619 --> 00:50:52.079
with all of these horrible.

1147
00:50:52.139 --> 00:50:54.119
I think it looks terrible though.

1148
00:50:54.179 --> 00:50:55.920
Like, why are they doing that?

1149
00:50:55.980 --> 00:50:57.179
Why are they doing that?

1150
00:50:57.239 --> 00:50:57.900
That's awful.

1151
00:50:57.960 --> 00:50:59.880
They're trying to do horror.

1152
00:50:59.940 --> 00:51:02.039
A little shock to try and...

1153
00:51:02.039 --> 00:51:05.280
But yeah, yeah, but it's it's ugly and unpleasant.

1154
00:51:05.280 --> 00:51:08.280
And it's it's just unnecessary.

1155
00:51:08.340 --> 00:51:11.400
You know, like better or worse than the tongue coming out in

1156
00:51:11.400 --> 00:51:12.119
threshold.

1157
00:51:12.179 --> 00:51:15.659
No, that's worse. that's horrible Because it keeps up.

1158
00:51:15.659 --> 00:51:16.980
I do like the idea of talking.

1159
00:51:17.039 --> 00:51:20.699
You know, she really strains her mental powers and then throws the

1160
00:51:20.699 --> 00:51:23.579
pustules onto Neelix or the evil Neelix in front of her.

1161
00:51:23.639 --> 00:51:24.719
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1162
00:51:24.780 --> 00:51:28.199
But I didn't think you could make his mask look. uglier, but in a

1163
00:51:28.199 --> 00:51:28.980
minute we see it.

1164
00:51:29.039 --> 00:51:30.059
No, you can.

1165
00:51:30.119 --> 00:51:31.559
But I mean, that's horrible.

1166
00:51:31.619 --> 00:51:32.639
Like, what's that?

1167
00:51:33.000 --> 00:51:37.500
I mean, she had to sit in the makeup chair and be made to look

1168
00:51:37.500 --> 00:51:38.639
like that acting.

1169
00:51:38.699 --> 00:51:39.780
It's just awful.

1170
00:51:39.900 --> 00:51:42.179
Oh, no, look at Ethan screaming.

1171
00:51:42.179 --> 00:51:43.079
Come on.

1172
00:51:43.139 --> 00:51:44.639
It's so terrible.

1173
00:51:44.699 --> 00:51:48.960
Oh, that's at least shot from below and kind of weird.

1174
00:51:49.019 --> 00:51:52.139
I have yet to see a B movie as agonising as this.

1175
00:51:52.500 --> 00:51:54.719
Oh, look at his puff.

1176
00:51:54.780 --> 00:51:56.159
It's flying all over the car.

1177
00:51:56.219 --> 00:51:57.360
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1178
00:51:58.860 --> 00:52:03.599
Oh, my God, the alien reveals himself and it turns out to be...

1179
00:52:03.599 --> 00:52:05.219
Oh, that guy.

1180
00:52:05.280 --> 00:52:11.099
Just that D-minus slate ex-alien from voyager. so boring.

1181
00:52:11.159 --> 00:52:13.920
That was worth sticking around for, wasn't it?

1182
00:52:13.980 --> 00:52:15.480
And why was he doing it?

1183
00:52:15.539 --> 00:52:16.800
We don't know.

1184
00:52:17.219 --> 00:52:20.579
Because we had time to fill.

1185
00:52:20.639 --> 00:52:21.659
That's why.

1186
00:52:22.860 --> 00:52:26.519
We have 26 episodes that we need to make.

1187
00:52:28.139 --> 00:52:30.420
Okay, everyone's awake now.

1188
00:52:30.480 --> 00:52:31.260
Yeah.

1189
00:52:35.760 --> 00:52:37.139
Okay.

1190
00:52:37.199 --> 00:52:38.159
I mean, that's it.

1191
00:52:38.159 --> 00:52:39.960
I'm just running down to the end.

1192
00:52:40.019 --> 00:52:41.219
There's still 5 minutes.

1193
00:52:41.280 --> 00:52:42.960
What the hell happens in the next 5 minutes?

1194
00:52:43.079 --> 00:52:48.239
Well, I think there's closing credits and we do have, you know

1195
00:52:48.239 --> 00:52:52.019
there's, but there's just one thing I don't understand, we have

1196
00:52:52.019 --> 00:52:52.320
that scene.

1197
00:52:52.440 --> 00:52:54.719
He looks so harmless.

1198
00:52:54.780 --> 00:52:56.280
No, no, no, he looks tedious.

1199
00:52:56.340 --> 00:52:57.659
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1200
00:52:57.719 --> 00:53:02.460
He just seemed to have nostrils on his on his knuckles, which is a

1201
00:53:02.460 --> 00:53:03.840
thing that we haven't seen before.

1202
00:53:03.900 --> 00:53:05.519
Oh, that mouth.

1203
00:53:05.579 --> 00:53:06.420
Look at that mouth.

1204
00:53:06.480 --> 00:53:07.739
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1205
00:53:07.800 --> 00:53:08.760
How does he smile?

1206
00:53:08.820 --> 00:53:11.880
It's just sort of a constant sort of rainbow shape.

1207
00:53:11.940 --> 00:53:13.320
Yeah, he's very cross.

1208
00:53:13.380 --> 00:53:14.579
He is very cross.

1209
00:53:14.639 --> 00:53:16.800
All time, because he looks like that.

1210
00:53:16.860 --> 00:53:20.099
And so, so what's happening?

1211
00:53:20.099 --> 00:53:21.000
He has done one thing, though.

1212
00:53:21.059 --> 00:53:22.800
He's done one thing for the Borger crew.

1213
00:53:22.860 --> 00:53:25.739
Well, at least half of them have had it.

1214
00:53:25.800 --> 00:53:29.340
No, none of them have for ages, so they might be a bit looser

1215
00:53:29.340 --> 00:53:30.300
after this episode.

1216
00:53:30.360 --> 00:53:34.139
Yeah, yeah, there's something, but no one will even remember this

1217
00:53:34.139 --> 00:53:38.099
or ever mention it again because of course, that's how we roll.

1218
00:53:38.159 --> 00:53:43.079
That's right I wonder if B'lana actually came to the conclusion

1219
00:53:43.079 --> 00:53:45.840
after romping around with Chakotay.

1220
00:53:45.900 --> 00:53:46.800
Maybe not.

1221
00:53:46.860 --> 00:53:47.519
Actually, no.

1222
00:53:47.519 --> 00:53:48.000
You know.

1223
00:53:48.539 --> 00:53:51.840
Sometimes when you, I do have a moment like that with a bloke once

1224
00:53:51.840 --> 00:53:54.239
where I really fancied him and then we had a snog and we both

1225
00:53:54.239 --> 00:53:54.599
went.

1226
00:53:54.659 --> 00:53:58.139
Yeah, actually There you go.

1227
00:53:58.260 --> 00:54:00.360
I found an in episode reason.

1228
00:54:00.420 --> 00:54:03.539
That's not there at all in the script, but...

1229
00:54:03.599 --> 00:54:05.880
At least I can reconcile this with the rest of the series.

1230
00:54:05.940 --> 00:54:09.179
But like, what's this confrontation again?

1231
00:54:09.239 --> 00:54:10.679
What's happening in this confrontation?

1232
00:54:10.739 --> 00:54:11.280
What's it about?

1233
00:54:11.340 --> 00:54:12.119
What does he want?

1234
00:54:12.179 --> 00:54:13.800
I'm not really here.

1235
00:54:13.920 --> 00:54:14.940
Oh, he's not here.

1236
00:54:15.000 --> 00:54:16.019
So he was not here.

1237
00:54:16.139 --> 00:54:16.860
So there we go.

1238
00:54:16.920 --> 00:54:20.400
So, like, it wasn't even an alien.

1239
00:54:20.460 --> 00:54:22.559
It was just like the appearance of an alien.

1240
00:54:22.619 --> 00:54:26.579
So and those ships are not real and we've learned nothing.

1241
00:54:26.639 --> 00:54:28.139
We don't know why this happened.

1242
00:54:28.199 --> 00:54:30.599
And it's not an interesting mystery.

1243
00:54:30.659 --> 00:54:31.980
Do you know what I mean?

1244
00:54:32.039 --> 00:54:35.219
Like, we have no explanation for the mysterious disappearance of

1245
00:54:35.219 --> 00:54:37.679
the alien. executed engagingly, either.

1246
00:54:37.739 --> 00:54:38.579
No.

1247
00:54:38.639 --> 00:54:41.940
I mean, it did successfully feel 45 minutes.

1248
00:54:42.000 --> 00:54:43.980
So did Twisted, though.

1249
00:54:44.099 --> 00:54:47.219
Like, and it's very nearly that.

1250
00:54:47.280 --> 00:54:48.360
Like, I think...

1251
00:54:48.360 --> 00:54:49.920
Yeah, but Nathan, when we do twisted.

1252
00:54:49.980 --> 00:54:52.079
I mean, they literally just walk the corridors.

1253
00:54:52.139 --> 00:54:54.059
I don't know what we're going to say about that episode.

1254
00:54:54.179 --> 00:54:55.019
I think I might bring a book.

1255
00:54:58.739 --> 00:55:02.880
I'll write up some notes about future podcasts while we're

1256
00:55:02.880 --> 00:55:03.480
watching it, yeah.

1257
00:55:06.539 --> 00:55:09.239
We could go through the diary for the Oh no, we do this the same

1258
00:55:09.239 --> 00:55:09.900
time everywhere.

1259
00:55:09.960 --> 00:55:10.860
All spoiler.

1260
00:55:12.300 --> 00:55:17.039
Yeah, I don't understand what this whispered conversation between

1261
00:55:17.039 --> 00:55:19.380
B'lana and Jane Williams was like, my God.

1262
00:55:19.440 --> 00:55:22.260
Do you really think that those are our deepest desires?

1263
00:55:22.320 --> 00:55:24.840
Yeah, because I think it's belong.

1264
00:55:24.960 --> 00:55:26.280
They're not.

1265
00:55:26.340 --> 00:55:30.360
But again, it's not clear what Janeways is Janeway's deepest

1266
00:55:30.360 --> 00:55:34.139
desire to be menaced by Carolyn Seymour with a knife because it's

1267
00:55:34.139 --> 00:55:34.800
pretty close.

1268
00:55:34.860 --> 00:55:36.000
It's my top five.

1269
00:55:36.179 --> 00:55:39.420
So what are we actually talking about?

1270
00:55:39.420 --> 00:55:41.159
20 if I'm honest, you know.

1271
00:55:43.739 --> 00:55:47.519
For me, it would be like you being the Neelix curry, you know

1272
00:55:47.519 --> 00:55:49.920
you're being a bit annoying now, Joe, all right?

1273
00:55:50.880 --> 00:55:55.079
But there's something here because these 2 are interesting.

1274
00:55:55.139 --> 00:55:56.219
Do you know what I mean?

1275
00:55:56.280 --> 00:55:59.579
And it's interesting to have 2 women as well?

1276
00:55:59.639 --> 00:56:01.980
In a Star Trek in this way?

1277
00:56:02.039 --> 00:56:03.719
In prototype, right?

1278
00:56:03.780 --> 00:56:06.179
It's about, you know, those terrible robots from Battle Star

1279
00:56:06.179 --> 00:56:07.739
Galactica that were in that episode.

1280
00:56:07.800 --> 00:56:08.820
Do you remember, the big war?

1281
00:56:08.880 --> 00:56:10.440
But it's about, you know, science.

1282
00:56:10.500 --> 00:56:11.159
Should we do it?

1283
00:56:11.219 --> 00:56:15.420
And it's 2 female scientists at the end, having a conversation

1284
00:56:15.420 --> 00:56:18.420
about the moral consequences of what they've done.

1285
00:56:18.480 --> 00:56:20.639
Now that's something you can hang a scene on.

1286
00:56:20.699 --> 00:56:21.300
This.

1287
00:56:21.840 --> 00:56:27.420
Oh, well, maybe these were latent buried, you know, thoughts and

1288
00:56:27.420 --> 00:56:29.039
feelings that we have, or maybe not.

1289
00:56:29.159 --> 00:56:29.639
Goodbye.

1290
00:56:29.699 --> 00:56:32.400
But the 2 of them are playing the hell out of it.

1291
00:56:32.460 --> 00:56:33.179
Do you know what I mean?

1292
00:56:33.239 --> 00:56:36.179
It's an absolutely nothing scene, but there is something nice

1293
00:56:36.179 --> 00:56:39.719
about the energy between these 2 as well, I think.

1294
00:56:39.780 --> 00:56:43.440
There's wonderful chemistry between some of the regulars on this

1295
00:56:43.440 --> 00:56:43.679
show.

1296
00:56:43.739 --> 00:56:46.380
They're just rarely given anything decent to say.

1297
00:56:46.559 --> 00:56:50.940
And so she's staring out the window now, thinking about what?

1298
00:56:51.000 --> 00:56:52.619
What have we learned?

1299
00:56:52.679 --> 00:56:54.000
The puppies?

1300
00:56:54.000 --> 00:56:56.099
Lord Burley, the sandwiches.

1301
00:56:56.159 --> 00:56:59.159
In fact, I would have been more, if the puppies had come running

1302
00:56:59.159 --> 00:57:02.880
out of that cupboard, cuddled up to her, and that had entranced

1303
00:57:02.880 --> 00:57:03.179
her.

1304
00:57:03.239 --> 00:57:04.739
I think I would have been more convinced.

1305
00:57:04.739 --> 00:57:06.780
Wow, there you go.

1306
00:57:06.840 --> 00:57:07.920
That was an episode, wasn't it?

1307
00:57:08.039 --> 00:57:10.260
It was definitely an episode of Voyager.

1308
00:57:10.320 --> 00:57:12.179
That's a true thing.

1309
00:57:12.420 --> 00:57:16.739
I mean, so occasionally, you know, we do genuinely use the

1310
00:57:16.739 --> 00:57:19.739
randomiser and try and go for something middling, you know, but I

1311
00:57:19.739 --> 00:57:22.619
don't think we found anything quite as middling as that before.

1312
00:57:22.679 --> 00:57:25.619
That could be the baseline for middling.

1313
00:57:25.679 --> 00:57:26.699
It could be.

1314
00:57:26.760 --> 00:57:29.460
Like, you know, it was okay.

1315
00:57:29.519 --> 00:57:34.860
I was a bit bored in the in the last two thirds of it, but, you

1316
00:57:34.860 --> 00:57:37.559
know, I like the characters for some reason.

1317
00:57:37.619 --> 00:57:39.960
I like Voyager. you know, like it's okay.

1318
00:57:40.019 --> 00:57:40.800
For some reason.

1319
00:57:41.460 --> 00:57:43.920
It might be the actors, actually.

1320
00:57:43.980 --> 00:57:45.780
Some of the actors are actually...

1321
00:57:45.780 --> 00:57:48.420
And Cade in particular is great to watch.

1322
00:57:48.900 --> 00:57:53.400
You know, occasionally, you know, they managed to marry up those

1323
00:57:53.400 --> 00:57:56.400
great actors, not always because they give the terrible actors on

1324
00:57:56.400 --> 00:57:59.699
the regular crew, stuff to do as well, but occasionally they marry

1325
00:57:59.699 --> 00:58:03.119
up the great actors with a good script. you know?

1326
00:58:03.179 --> 00:58:04.860
those days we rejoice.

1327
00:58:05.159 --> 00:58:07.500
This was not one of those days.

1328
00:58:07.559 --> 00:58:08.340
No.

1329
00:58:17.400 --> 00:58:20.400
All right, it's the end of the episode and it's time for us to

1330
00:58:20.400 --> 00:58:22.619
work out where we're going next.

1331
00:58:22.679 --> 00:58:28.019
This was your choice, Joe, an uncharacteristically dull one, and I

1332
00:58:28.019 --> 00:58:34.320
am going to try and liven things up by moving forward into the

1333
00:58:34.320 --> 00:58:40.980
21st century for an episode of the series that we have covered the

1334
00:58:40.980 --> 00:58:45.960
smallest percentage of, which is Star Trek discovery.

1335
00:58:46.019 --> 00:58:47.760
Ah.

1336
00:58:47.820 --> 00:58:50.760
Oh, dear, prepare yourselves, everybody, then, for another episode

1337
00:58:50.760 --> 00:58:51.780
where I'm going.

1338
00:58:51.840 --> 00:58:52.260
Who's that?

1339
00:58:52.320 --> 00:58:53.159
What's her name?

1340
00:58:53.219 --> 00:58:54.900
Who are they related to?

1341
00:58:55.500 --> 00:58:58.920
Nathan will just be my memory alpha for a week.

1342
00:58:58.980 --> 00:59:03.360
You can rest assured it will be a more competently made piece of

1343
00:59:03.360 --> 00:59:04.380
television.

1344
00:59:04.440 --> 00:59:06.179
I can't promise you it's going to be more interesting.

1345
00:59:06.539 --> 00:59:10.380
All right, so I've got my finger on the button of the randomiser

1346
00:59:10.380 --> 00:59:12.300
and here we go.

1347
00:59:13.320 --> 00:59:19.739
Season 4, episode 4 all is possible.

1348
00:59:19.800 --> 00:59:24.840
Now, we've actually rolled this before, and this is an episode

1349
00:59:24.840 --> 00:59:34.079
where Tilly is on a shuttlecraft with some cadets, and they are in

1350
00:59:34.079 --> 00:59:37.440
an inhospitable environment, they have to learn how to get

1351
00:59:37.440 --> 00:59:37.980
together.

1352
00:59:38.039 --> 00:59:42.960
It's an absolute Star Trek staple, but it's done quite well.

1353
00:59:43.019 --> 00:59:46.559
So, you know, what was that one, good shepherd, and there's

1354
00:59:46.559 --> 00:59:47.460
learning curve.

1355
00:59:47.519 --> 00:59:53.039
It's a little bit like those only better and sort of shot on

1356
00:59:53.039 --> 00:59:54.900
location and stuff like that, I think.

1357
00:59:55.019 --> 00:59:57.719
We did Notting Cove quite recently, though, didn't we?

1358
00:59:57.780 --> 00:59:58.019
We did.

1359
00:59:58.079 --> 00:59:59.039
It is a bit similar.

1360
00:59:59.099 --> 01:00:02.880
I'm more sort of enticed by doing an earlier discovery because

1361
01:00:02.880 --> 01:00:04.619
we've done a lot of later ones lately.

1362
01:00:04.679 --> 01:00:08.039
I mean, I'd love for us to do a series 11 and talk about that.

1363
01:00:08.099 --> 01:00:09.900
Let's see.

1364
01:00:09.900 --> 01:00:10.920
See if you roll a series one.

1365
01:00:12.239 --> 01:00:15.900
Season four, episode 10, the Galactic Barrier.

1366
01:00:16.019 --> 01:00:17.579
Is that the finale?

1367
01:00:17.639 --> 01:00:22.679
No, no, because there's 13 episodes in that season back then.

1368
01:00:22.739 --> 01:00:27.179
So it is heading towards the 10 C.

1369
01:00:27.239 --> 01:00:32.639
As I said to you before, I think, that this season of Star Trek

1370
01:00:32.639 --> 01:00:35.820
Discovery is the best season of Star Trek Discovery and part of

1371
01:00:35.820 --> 01:00:40.739
what it does is it does what series 3 of Enterprise does quite

1372
01:00:40.739 --> 01:00:46.019
well, which is telling a continuous coherent story, but still

1373
01:00:46.019 --> 01:00:49.199
coming up with episodes that are about a particular thing.

1374
01:00:49.260 --> 01:00:52.920
And of course, in Great Kurtzman tradition, it leans into the

1375
01:00:52.920 --> 01:00:57.179
ridiculous idea that there's a galactic barrier surrounding the

1376
01:00:57.179 --> 01:01:00.840
galaxy that you can't get out of, and it just brings that back.

1377
01:01:00.900 --> 01:01:05.519
I'm super tempted, but I am going to give it one more go.

1378
01:01:06.119 --> 01:01:09.119
I really want to do season one.

1379
01:01:09.179 --> 01:01:10.260
Come on, season one.

1380
01:01:10.320 --> 01:01:14.400
Labyrinth season five, episode eight.

1381
01:01:15.000 --> 01:01:18.000
Well, I mean, I don't really know much about season five.

1382
01:01:18.059 --> 01:01:21.000
So that could be an interesting one to explore.

1383
01:01:21.059 --> 01:01:22.800
How about this one?

1384
01:01:23.699 --> 01:01:28.559
Season one, episode three, the 1st regular episode?

1385
01:01:28.619 --> 01:01:31.559
You remember episodes one and 2 screen on the one night?

1386
01:01:31.559 --> 01:01:34.260
and then we go into episode three.

1387
01:01:34.320 --> 01:01:36.000
So very, very early on.

1388
01:01:36.059 --> 01:01:38.340
Context is for Kings.

1389
01:01:39.239 --> 01:01:43.500
It's not the one where she gets eaten by that great tardigrade, is

1390
01:01:43.500 --> 01:01:43.619
it?

1391
01:01:43.679 --> 01:01:49.559
No, but this is her coming back on board discovery after her kind

1392
01:01:49.559 --> 01:01:53.880
of court martial and things and meeting Lorker and kind of and

1393
01:01:53.880 --> 01:01:58.199
possibly, I think, even meeting Stammets.

1394
01:01:58.260 --> 01:02:02.159
But kind of discovering that there's something wrong with

1395
01:02:02.159 --> 01:02:05.699
discovery, that it's a sort of weird, scary, awful place.

1396
01:02:06.059 --> 01:02:11.280
And because it was a slow burn formation of the crew, it might be

1397
01:02:11.280 --> 01:02:15.059
quite interesting to see the pieces starting to form and come

1398
01:02:15.059 --> 01:02:15.480
together.

1399
01:02:15.480 --> 01:02:19.199
It takes a long time, doesn't it, for the crew to sort of assemble

1400
01:02:19.199 --> 01:02:24.300
and, well, I don't know if it ever gains an overall identity

1401
01:02:24.300 --> 01:02:26.039
because it's changing its mind every 2 minutes.

1402
01:02:26.699 --> 01:02:28.800
I think that might be quite interesting.

1403
01:02:28.860 --> 01:02:32.159
Yeah, I think I like series one quite a lot.

1404
01:02:32.219 --> 01:02:35.639
As I've said before, I think one of my objections to series 2 is

1405
01:02:35.639 --> 01:02:38.820
that it walks back, a lot of the decisions that are made in series

1406
01:02:38.820 --> 01:02:40.139
one that I really enjoy.

1407
01:02:40.500 --> 01:02:45.599
I think we meet Tilly for the 1st time, for instance, in this

1408
01:02:45.599 --> 01:02:47.579
episode too, because think about it.

1409
01:02:47.639 --> 01:02:52.440
It's the Vulcan Hello and then Battle of the Binary Stars for that

1410
01:02:52.440 --> 01:02:54.360
1st night, episodes one and two.

1411
01:02:54.420 --> 01:02:59.219
So 3 is her coming back aboard Discovery and instead of being the

1412
01:02:59.219 --> 01:03:02.639
1st officer being, you know, a prisoner with no rank who's just

1413
01:03:02.639 --> 01:03:03.599
there as a specialist.

1414
01:03:04.440 --> 01:03:10.559
I want to go back and see if Security Shrief Landry is as much of

1415
01:03:10.559 --> 01:03:12.599
a total bitch as I remember her being.

1416
01:03:12.659 --> 01:03:17.880
I just remember it being this utterly one note performance of, you

1417
01:03:17.880 --> 01:03:20.880
know, she was so great in Battlestar Galactica, that actress.

1418
01:03:20.940 --> 01:03:22.440
What's her name, Rakesh Sharma?

1419
01:03:23.099 --> 01:03:26.039
brilliant in Battle Star Galactic, and she was given this

1420
01:03:26.039 --> 01:03:29.519
thankless role where she was eaten halfway from the season.

1421
01:03:29.579 --> 01:03:31.019
It's really awesome.

1422
01:03:31.079 --> 01:03:33.900
I think that's great because you do think she's going to be a

1423
01:03:33.900 --> 01:03:38.219
regular because you don't know what discovery is yet at all at

1424
01:03:38.219 --> 01:03:38.760
this point.

1425
01:03:38.820 --> 01:03:43.380
I mean, all of the 90s strike episodes do a big two-part beginning

1426
01:03:43.380 --> 01:03:47.699
but it bears some resemblance to what the final show is and spends

1427
01:03:47.699 --> 01:03:49.619
its time introducing us to the characters.

1428
01:03:49.679 --> 01:03:51.360
This doesn't do that at all.

1429
01:03:51.420 --> 01:03:56.400
No, oh, and also Jason Isaacs, you know, hot Captain Hawker as

1430
01:03:56.400 --> 01:03:57.179
well. sweaty.

1431
01:03:57.239 --> 01:03:58.199
Come on, let's do it.

1432
01:03:58.260 --> 01:04:00.000
All right, this is doing it.

1433
01:04:00.059 --> 01:04:02.340
We'll be on safe ground for things to talk about, though, won't

1434
01:04:02.340 --> 01:04:02.519
we?

1435
01:04:02.579 --> 01:04:04.440
Unlike persistence of vision.

1436
01:04:04.800 --> 01:04:07.079
But what were we going to say about that?

1437
01:04:07.139 --> 01:04:10.260
But this is a show literally in its opening steps.

1438
01:04:10.320 --> 01:04:11.639
Yeah, let's do it.

1439
01:04:11.699 --> 01:04:12.059
Okay.

1440
01:04:12.119 --> 01:04:12.599
Awesome.

1441
01:04:21.659 --> 01:04:25.199
You've been listening to untitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford

1442
01:04:25.199 --> 01:04:26.519
and Nathan Bottomley.

1443
01:04:26.519 --> 01:04:29.760
We're online at untitledstar trekproject.com, where you can find

1444
01:04:29.760 --> 01:04:32.579
subscription links and links to our social media accounts.

1445
01:04:32.639 --> 01:04:36.539
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Ciceran, and the theme was

1446
01:04:36.539 --> 01:04:38.219
composed by Cameron Lamb.

1447
01:04:38.280 --> 01:04:42.360
This episode was recorded on the 12th of August 2025 and released

1448
01:04:42.360 --> 01:04:43.679
on the 15th of August.

1449
01:04:43.739 --> 01:04:46.619
We'll see you next time for Star Trek Discovery.

1450
01:04:46.679 --> 01:04:48.360
Context is for Kings.

1451
01:05:07.199 --> 01:05:11.579
There we go, right, both are going, voice recorder, and...

1452
01:05:11.639 --> 01:05:15.239
So, I think Strangely Worlds will have finished by the time I come

1453
01:05:15.239 --> 01:05:16.019
to your place.

1454
01:05:16.320 --> 01:05:18.300
Oh, okay.

1455
01:05:18.300 --> 01:05:19.860
Because we've had five.

1456
01:05:19.920 --> 01:05:23.039
We are going to do a couple, you know, I may roll in a strange new

1457
01:05:23.039 --> 01:05:25.260
world, just so we have to watch one together.

1458
01:05:25.320 --> 01:05:26.579
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1459
01:05:26.639 --> 01:05:27.059
Yeah.

1460
01:05:27.179 --> 01:05:27.659
Yeah.

1461
01:05:28.380 --> 01:05:29.820
Yes.

1462
01:05:29.880 --> 01:05:31.139
What am I doing?

1463
01:05:31.199 --> 01:05:36.179
I may rewatch Andor actually, like while I'm away on my own

1464
01:05:36.179 --> 01:05:39.059
because there's 24 episodes of that and fuck, it's great.

1465
01:05:39.119 --> 01:05:40.440
Holy shit, it's good.

1466
01:05:40.559 --> 01:05:42.360
Guess what I'm watching at the moment.

1467
01:05:42.420 --> 01:05:47.699
Tomorrow, my 1st day up, I'm doing an interview with Dylan about

1468
01:05:47.699 --> 01:05:49.800
his new book that's coming out, this real-time book.

1469
01:05:49.860 --> 01:05:52.800
So like a, he did the downside one, which was BBV.

1470
01:05:52.920 --> 01:05:54.539
Now this is all the real-time stuff.

1471
01:05:54.599 --> 01:05:59.940
Um, and he sent me 4 of the myth makers interviews, sort of like

1472
01:05:59.940 --> 01:06:01.679
really sort of diverse ones.

1473
01:06:01.739 --> 01:06:03.960
And we're going to talk about the 4 he sent and the book.

1474
01:06:04.019 --> 01:06:06.780
So it's sort of like a nice way of banding between the 2 and

1475
01:06:06.780 --> 01:06:07.800
anecdotes like that.

1476
01:06:07.860 --> 01:06:11.400
Well, when I was eating that pizza last night, I was watching the

1477
01:06:11.400 --> 01:06:12.659
Jacqueline Pierce one.

1478
01:06:12.719 --> 01:06:14.519
Oh my god.

1479
01:06:14.579 --> 01:06:16.139
Oh my gosh.

1480
01:06:16.199 --> 01:06:18.900
I was just amazingly good.

1481
01:06:18.960 --> 01:06:21.659
She goes, you're noticed, darling.

1482
01:06:21.719 --> 01:06:22.559
You'll notice.

1483
01:06:22.619 --> 01:06:25.019
Oh, she's on a chaise lounge, right?

1484
01:06:25.079 --> 01:06:30.420
It was sort of Romany caravan and it opens on a like a glass of

1485
01:06:30.420 --> 01:06:34.199
champagne and she goes, oh, nectar of the gods, she goes.

1486
01:06:34.260 --> 01:06:37.800
It's the only poison I would accept, darling.

1487
01:06:38.099 --> 01:06:41.099
And she's got like a cigarilla.

1488
01:06:41.159 --> 01:06:42.179
All the Wade.

1489
01:06:42.480 --> 01:06:44.820
Oh, no, she talks about that.

1490
01:06:44.880 --> 01:06:48.840
She goes, well, what does like a spliff or 2 die, you know?

1491
01:06:48.900 --> 01:06:51.480
She tells a wonderful story about how she...

1492
01:06:51.539 --> 01:06:53.639
Oh, they said, please, Jacqueline, will you bring some?

1493
01:06:53.699 --> 01:06:56.099
And she goes, I didn't realise that you weren't allowed to take it

1494
01:06:56.099 --> 01:06:56.940
on planes.

1495
01:06:57.000 --> 01:07:01.260
And there I was handcuffed in a cell. she goes, I couldn't stop

1496
01:07:01.260 --> 01:07:01.679
laughing.

1497
01:07:01.739 --> 01:07:04.980
She said, I said to the man, this is as close as I've come to

1498
01:07:04.980 --> 01:07:06.300
being in an episode of the bill.

1499
01:07:07.800 --> 01:07:09.420
Oh, boy.

1500
01:07:09.480 --> 01:07:12.239
I mean, every anecdote is just gold.

1501
01:07:12.300 --> 01:07:15.659
Like, I don't really need to watch anymore because they'll never

1502
01:07:15.659 --> 01:07:16.380
be as good as this.

1503
01:07:16.440 --> 01:07:20.280
And she talks about her mental health and all of this and in and

1504
01:07:20.280 --> 01:07:23.639
out of asylums and all sorts that's happened in her life and her

1505
01:07:23.639 --> 01:07:26.159
family and it just sounds very disturbing.

1506
01:07:26.219 --> 01:07:30.420
But she goes, yes, she goes, well, darling, I discovered sex

1507
01:07:30.420 --> 01:07:34.500
between series 2 and series 3 of Blake 7.

1508
01:07:34.559 --> 01:07:37.679
So you'll notice in series one and two, you know, I'm in sort of

1509
01:07:37.679 --> 01:07:38.940
dowdy clothes.

1510
01:07:39.000 --> 01:07:42.239
I've got this sort of boring haircut, no nails and things.

1511
01:07:42.300 --> 01:07:46.139
She goes, have a look at me in the 1st episode of series three. you

1512
01:07:46.139 --> 01:07:50.820
know, suddenly I've got huge feminine flowers on me and beautiful

1513
01:07:50.820 --> 01:07:51.659
nails.

1514
01:07:51.719 --> 01:07:55.260
She goes in, I'm flirting outrageously with that delicious Paul

1515
01:07:55.260 --> 01:07:56.039
Darrow.

1516
01:07:56.219 --> 01:07:59.099
She goes, because I met this gay man.

1517
01:07:59.159 --> 01:08:01.980
She goes, and he introduced me to orgasm.

1518
01:08:02.400 --> 01:08:05.219
I'll send it to you because he sent it to me.

1519
01:08:05.219 --> 01:08:07.980
It's only an hour, but it is blissful.

1520
01:08:08.159 --> 01:08:11.460
Do you remember the, do you remember that when she died in Russell

1521
01:08:11.460 --> 01:08:15.599
T. Davis poster on like Instagram about how, what was the kids

1522
01:08:15.599 --> 01:08:19.560
show that, like, Moon something?

1523
01:08:19.619 --> 01:08:20.340
Oh, dark season.

1524
01:08:20.460 --> 01:08:22.560
No, no, she was a villain, wasn't she coming?

1525
01:08:22.619 --> 01:08:23.279
She was a villain.

1526
01:08:23.340 --> 01:08:24.539
She turns up late.

1527
01:08:24.600 --> 01:08:26.699
He's winslet in it, like a young win song.

1528
01:08:26.760 --> 01:08:28.199
That's one of his other shows.

1529
01:08:28.800 --> 01:08:32.939
So it turns up, he turns up to thing late and saying, oh, darling

1530
01:08:32.939 --> 01:08:34.140
darling, I'm so sorry, I'm late.

1531
01:08:34.199 --> 01:08:36.060
I was up all night fucking a young priest.

1532
01:08:39.180 --> 01:08:45.060
She goes, she goes, um, they go to her, you know, so, so what did

1533
01:08:45.060 --> 01:08:46.079
you think of Blake Savage?

1534
01:08:46.140 --> 01:08:47.460
She goes, oh, wasn't it boring?

1535
01:08:47.520 --> 01:08:49.380
It was so boring.

1536
01:08:49.439 --> 01:08:50.880
She goes, I didn't understand.

1537
01:08:50.939 --> 01:08:53.520
She goes, well, I have this amazing ability, you know, of being

1538
01:08:53.520 --> 01:08:57.300
completely emotionally truthful about scripts.

1539
01:08:57.359 --> 01:08:59.579
I have no idea what they're about.

1540
01:08:59.640 --> 01:09:02.279
So they tell me I'm incredible in it.

1541
01:09:02.340 --> 01:09:04.680
Just that I didn't have a clue what I was saying.

1542
01:09:07.199 --> 01:09:11.760
Oh, I'm like, you put every Doctor Who person to show.

1543
01:09:11.819 --> 01:09:13.319
Oh, you were in Doctor Who?

1544
01:09:13.439 --> 01:09:16.380
She goes, oh, darling, I was. yes She goes, I don't remember much

1545
01:09:16.380 --> 01:09:17.819
about the job, if I'm honest.

1546
01:09:17.880 --> 01:09:19.739
That script was even more boring.

1547
01:09:19.800 --> 01:09:24.359
She goes, but um, I had a wonderful time in, uh, in Spain, she

1548
01:09:24.359 --> 01:09:28.380
goes, in the pool with Patrick Troughton, you know, drinking mint

1549
01:09:28.380 --> 01:09:31.199
juleps and...

1550
01:09:31.199 --> 01:09:34.380
What weeks not turn up or something, so they just had 2 days where

1551
01:09:34.380 --> 01:09:37.380
they couldn't do any shootings, so they just hung out by the pool

1552
01:09:37.439 --> 01:09:39.840
on the BBC's expense.

1553
01:09:42.239 --> 01:09:44.340
I have to send it you.

1554
01:09:44.399 --> 01:09:45.840
Oh my god. okay.

1555
01:09:45.899 --> 01:09:47.880
You will have nothing but a riot.

1556
01:09:47.939 --> 01:09:49.859
You'll be laughing every 2 minutes or so.

1557
01:09:49.920 --> 01:09:51.359
Oh, she's just heavy.

1558
01:09:51.420 --> 01:09:53.340
I mean, some of it's performative, I'm sure.

1559
01:09:53.399 --> 01:09:54.180
Oh, of course.

1560
01:09:54.239 --> 01:09:55.979
What a performance.

1561
01:09:56.399 --> 01:10:01.199
I just got the big finish audio of her to listen to, which I might

1562
01:10:01.199 --> 01:10:02.159
listen to last night.

1563
01:10:02.220 --> 01:10:04.020
That's great Yeah, that's great as well.

1564
01:10:04.079 --> 01:10:05.579
And the Paul Darrow one's good as well.

1565
01:10:06.060 --> 01:10:07.920
She's so awesome.

1566
01:10:07.979 --> 01:10:09.539
Anyway boy.

1567
01:10:09.600 --> 01:10:10.439
All right.

1568
01:10:10.500 --> 01:10:12.600
Shame, we're not doing a Blow 7 podcast.

1569
01:10:12.659 --> 01:10:15.420
That could have been the tag, you know, all about orgasms and

1570
01:10:15.420 --> 01:10:15.600
things.

1571
01:10:15.659 --> 01:10:16.800
It would still be the tag.

1572
01:10:16.859 --> 01:10:18.359
God, put it in.

1573
01:10:18.779 --> 01:10:21.720
Romany caravans, champagne.

1574
01:10:21.720 --> 01:10:24.420
I was going to talk about Stranger Worlds, but fucker.

1575
01:10:24.479 --> 01:10:25.380
Let's put them in.

1576
01:10:26.699 --> 01:10:30.420
Unfortunately, let's watch something which is in no way as

1577
01:10:30.420 --> 01:10:32.579
interesting as Jacqueline Pierce's life story.

1578
01:10:32.640 --> 01:10:34.859
More Strange New Worlds to...

1579
01:10:34.859 --> 01:10:35.880
Oh, strange.

1580
01:10:35.939 --> 01:10:37.739
Pretty much, most of Trek.

1581
01:10:40.800 --> 01:10:42.359
All right, here goes.

1582
01:10:43.380 --> 01:10:46.619
Hey, Joe. Hi.