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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So, we're back aboard the NXO one this week.

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It's Star Trek Enterprise, season four, episode 13, United, which

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is actually part 2 of a three-part arc that memory alpha calls the

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Romulan Interference Arc.

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So in a way, it's a sequel to minefield.

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Doesn't that sound boring?

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The Romulan?

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Interference.

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Is that the best they could come up with?

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That wasn't an official umbrella term, was it?

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No, I don't think so.

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But, you know, one of them is called the Augments arc.

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You know, like, these are very dreary titles.

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Boring titles.

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Well, like the Enterprise titles, let's be honest.

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United.

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So, so last week's was called Babel one, which has the whole sort

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of setup of these unmotivated attacks on the Tellorites and the

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Andorians, and we are going to Babel, the planet Babel in order to

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kind of negotiate around those issues.

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And of course, that reminds us of Journey to Babel, which I

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actually watch today.

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Could you correct me on something?

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Because I've got an image in my head in Journeys of Staple of like

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a party on the Enterprise with loads of aliens in it, you know

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Andorans and Tellerites, but all sorts of other ambassadors and

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things like that.

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Is that right?

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Yeah, yeah.

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So how did that fair?

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It was actually not too bad.

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So they say in dialogue that they've got about 100 sort of

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important guests and ambassadors and stuff and there's all sorts

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of things.

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There's a purple lady and there's 2 very short bronze people and

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stuff.

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But it's the episode that has Andorians and Tellerides in it.

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The only other episode of original Trek that does that is Whom

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Gods Destroy, remember, which we saw, and the villains of the

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Orion.

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So that setup where the Federation is Andorians, Tellerites

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Vulcans, and Humans kind of coming together, is a kind of conceit

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of original trek.

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It isn't a feature of 90s trek at all until this point.

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And so this is the 1st time, I think, that we've had Tellerides in

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90s trek at all.

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And I think Michael Westmore was keen to have a go at the makeup

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for them.

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Well, no, we're going to disagree on this, but hot off the press

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off the Vardoir a couple of weeks ago.

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I think this is a similarly ghastly design.

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I mean, I refuse to believe a species would grow up looking like

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this.

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I think the Tellorites never really work at all.

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Like they never tend to look good with the exception. of pod.

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No, we agree, didn't we?

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Polk, yeah, because they sort of went for the, it's either bebop

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or rock study.

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I can never remember which one's which in teenage root.

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It looks like that, basically, doesn't it?

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Like a warthawk.

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That's it.

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Yeah, so I think he looks really good.

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Generally, the Tellorites don't look good.

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I think these ones don't look too bad, but there is a kind of

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problem generally with this setup, which is that all of the aliens

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are weird and irrational with their crazy traditions and obnoxious

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behaviour.

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And only human beings.

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It's still not instructed, you know.

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Beings are reasonable.

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In fact, Babel won, the 1st episode.

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Last week's episode starts with this big argument between Hoshi

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and Captain Archer, where Archer's really rude and personally kind

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of insulting towards her.

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And you're kind of going, what's happening here?

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What's happening here?

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And it turns out she's training him to be as obnoxious as he needs

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to be with the Tellerites, who will come on board and complain and

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be obnoxious.

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Trouble is so.

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You couldn't tell the difference between that and the regular

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archer.

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But yeah, so that's sort of set up a little bit in Journey to

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Babel.

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I sent you a message saying, you know, how wonderful that they've

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taken the Andorians, which have got a bit of a short straight

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flight in 90s trade.

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I haven't really been touched upon at all.

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I think we saw one in the offspring, didn't we, in the holodeck?

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and that's it.

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So they went, okay, that's a much underutilised race.

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We're going to give them some focus and some attention.

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And then by the end of this, we're just doing sort of Klingon

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stuff, right?

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In order to, you know, maintain my honour.

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We must have a fight in this room and, you know, and you or my

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friend, but I'm going to have to fight you and I'm like, is this

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the best they can come up with?

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Like we've been doing this now for 15 years.

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It's it's really kind of exhausting and in that scene and we'll

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get there.

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I knew exactly how it was going to play out and the thing is that

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Stran doesn't need to be told what's happening because he guesses

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it immediately because he's watched a lot of Star Trek over the

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last few years as well.

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He's by far the best thing about this.

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Oh, he's the most interesting.

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I said to you, he's more interesting than any of the Enterprise

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crew in this episode.

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He's giving a better performance than anybody on the regular cast

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is giving in this episode.

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And frankly, I would be a lot happier if we just ditched the

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Enterprise and when it did Star Trek Shran for the rest of the

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season, because it might be a bit more engaging.

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In fact, he's even better in part three.

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So the conclusion to this episode, the big cliffhanger at the end

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of this episode is the revelation that the Romulan drone ship is

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being remotely piloted by an Andorian.

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And that Andorian is white skinned and blind, and we discover the

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following week that he's from a subgroup of the Andorians called

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the Enar, which is the subgroup that Hammer belongs to in Strange

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New World.

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Ina, you say.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah.

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So that is actually referenced in Stranger Worlds, because that's

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where Hemmer comes from.

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He's one of those as well, so which is why he's blind and white

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skinned as an Andorian.

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So that next episode is called the Enar, and we go and visit the

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Enar, and Shran meets a young Enar, girl, who is the sister of the

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person who's piloting the drone, and his relationship with her.

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She's not the girl from the last one, is she?

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I don't think so.

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Oh, that would have been good. if they were setting that up.

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Because that's his daughter, isn't it?

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The girl from the last one.

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Oh yeah, it is.

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I did think about that, though, whether they tried to get her back

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and then couldn't and then gave him a daughter.

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They could have just said it was her.

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They did it with Yow 4 times.

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Yeah, no, she's white, though, because she's enough.

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Oh, okay.

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And she's really good and Shran, like Jeff Coombs is so

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magnificently good with her.

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So we've got the stuff here with Talis, his girlfriend who dies in

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this episode and we get to see that.

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And we get to see him play this conflict between the demands of

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his culture. his stupid Star Trek culture and the need to work

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together against a common enemy and his rationality and his

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respect for Archer and all of those things.

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And I think there's a complexity to that, that, you know, that

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dual motivation.

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It's not groundbreakingly brilliant or anything, but it's more

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than anyone else has got going on.

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And he's really playing it to the hilt.

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I think he's really good in this.

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You said to me, in a message that, like, he's more interesting

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than Waiyud.

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And I think he probably is more interesting than way you'd, on

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paper, but he's no fun in the way that Wayoon is.

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It's hilarious. and so much, and you know what?

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This is entertainment, right?

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We are supposed to be enjoying this as well as taking something

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you know, intelligent away from it.

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And the issue with him not being as fun as Yune is that no one on

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the Enterprise is fun either.

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And it was especially apparent when I was watching this.

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We come on the back of Subspace Rhapsody, right?

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which obviously is in the future and they've learned how to do

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this better, but all those characters are so fun and light and

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effervescent and enjoyable to be around.

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Then I was back on these dark sets with these people sort of

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whispering their lines in a very serious way.

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And I was going, how did we ever get here?

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Yeah, this is where TNG started.

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You know, they're all very over the top of the start of that.

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When did we get this subtle?

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It's funny.

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I think, I mean, I do think that the regulars tend to be a bit

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boring here, and like I'm happy to see Jolene do anything.

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They unfortunately pair Connor up with Dominic Keating, Malcolm

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Reese.

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Like, they're just not interesting together in any way because

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again, you know.

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They keep pairing them up.

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They have like 2 or three.

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They have a one where the shuttlepod one where they're stuck in

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the ship together and it's like the bromance begins and they're

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all talking about tits and things and it's just steeply deeply

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uncomfortable tedious.

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They talk about Dep Paul's bum in this 3 part.

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Yeah, it's tits and shut up on one.

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They're talking about one of the con officers boobs.

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And then in, there's a one where they go down to riser. imagine

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how that goes.

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I mean, just hideous.

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I keep doing this and I'm like, who is this for?

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You know, you heterosexual Star Trek fans, are you really enjoying

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this stuff?

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But like it's clearly, you know, just a male heterosexual

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relationship, like Julian and O'Brien, but they're good, they're

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interesting.

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Well, they're in love with each other as well, they're older.

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But they have well-defined characters in a way, you know, and

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Malcolm isn't a well-defined character.

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Look, I think that they are perfectly serviceable in their subplot

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and I think their subplot is reasonably interesting.

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Boring.

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They were just in a room spout in Technopapol.

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I'm like, what's happening?

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Please get out of this room.

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I like the premise a lot.

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And I think they do a reasonable job of sort of selling it where

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they've got the Romulans here.

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We can't ever see them, right?

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Because canonically, uh, they don't get seen until, is it balance

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of terror?

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I don't know.

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A problem that keeps coming up in enterprise.

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They want to play with a big boys, but they can't because they

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haven't been established.

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So they even have to jump through time paradoxes, you know, have

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the ball turn up in the past or something like that, you know.

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But yeah, it is a problem though.

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But but I think I think that they kind of play with it a little

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bit because in the in the 1st episode, it's not clear that the

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ship is a drone being piloted remotely.

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Like, it's not at all clear.

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And what happens is in the cliffhanger, the 2 boys come into the

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bridge of the ship, and there's no one there, but we thought that

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Brian Thompson and his mate and the pilot were there, that they

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were on the bridge, and the big reveal is no, they're in this

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building on the planet Romulus.

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And they're piloting the ship remotely and there's no one on the

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ship at all.

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And that wasn't at all known to us.

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And so that's kind of surprising.

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And so what you have is this shape shifting remote drone ship.

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And so what I thought was the guy in the helmet is the one that

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we'll see, right?

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Because we can't see the Romulans.

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So the boys will encounter the guy in the helmet and we'll never

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get to see that Romulan because they're wearing the helmet, right?

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Then it turns out they're not there at all.

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And so why is the guy wearing the helmet and obviously that's

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resolved in this cliffhanger.

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But that idea of the remote thing that's trying to stir up trouble

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between these alpha quadrant races.

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I don't think that's a terrible idea.

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It's something new. something technically new.

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It gives us a new thing to do.

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I think this might be an occasion where our format. trips me up

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because you watched all 3 episodes of this.

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So you sort the setup.

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And I just had really no idea what was going on from the few clips

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I got at the start.

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So I didn't really understand the stakes of the episode.

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I couldn't really understand how everybody had got to the

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positions that they're in.

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And then the story didn't move at any great pace.

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And then it ended with a cliffhanger, which I didn't understand.

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So the whole end was, I was like, what is happening here?

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Why the hell doesn't this thing start moving?

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My other thing I really want to talk about before we go in, and

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this might not make me popular, and they never would have done

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this in a 1000000 years because they had a roll call of creatives

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in 90s trek, but they just kept going back to the same well.

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And they had directors.

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They had sort of good faith relationships with.

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But I just think for Enterprise.

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Yeah, if they really wanted to do something new, they should have

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ditched all of the directors that did TNG, DS 9.

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Because this is David Livingston's like 180th episode or something

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like that, right?

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And there comes a point.

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There comes a point where you've done everything and you just

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point a camera.

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And there was points during this episode where I was like, yeah, do

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you know, I could me, Joe Forwater, who's not a director, because

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I can think of ways of making this more visually dynamic with the

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technology they had at the time beyond what David Livingston's

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doing here.

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It just plotted.

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And the sort of the climax where the action started.

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It was so boring.

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And I was like, okay, they should have taken all of their sort of

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actorly directors that have proven themselves.

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Robert Duncan McNeil.

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Roxanne Dawson, Frakes, Patrick, no, Patrick Stewart.

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Leave him on the foot.

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Avery Brooks, Renee, all of those people, and maybe just make a

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build, a great direction team out of the and showcase that.

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But as a result, all you've got in enterprise, on the whole, is

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your Les Landos, your David Livingston's, and they've been doing

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this a long, long time now.

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And I can feel it.

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I can feel it in the execution of the episode.

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And that's a shame because there's stuff here that could be

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dynamic.

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This is not as good as the Keshara 3 part of which we did at all

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which I think is really terrific.

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Did we watch the last one of that?

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I think we watched the last one.

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There was space battles hand-to-hand battles.

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It was all going on in that one.

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I reckon if we'd watched the last one of this, you might have come

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away having had a better time because excuse me, you made the

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rules all right.

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We weren't allowed to do 3 episodes together.

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No, no way.

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No, I'm not watching...

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Well, like I watched it on the couch and got up to go for a Wii

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and that kind of thing.

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I don't think I could talk into a microphone while watching 3

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episodes in a row.

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I don't think, oh, I could watch 3 episodes about the prize on the

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trot, you know.

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One every couple of weeks is enough.

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I watched episode one and then went and did some stuff and had

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lunch and had to lie down and then watched the other two.

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But the 3rd one, I think, is the strongest one and it's the one

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that's most focussed.

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Then you say one and three.

328
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Sorry, I'm waving a pencil.

329
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Didn't you say one and three?

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were better than two. think so.

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I said you, this absolutely feels like coming after one and before

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three.

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You know, that doesn't have to be the case because in the DS93

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part of the 1st 3 part.

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They did, the Bajor Civil War arc at the start of season two.

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Big mission statement, you know, season two, episode one.

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The 2nd episode there is by far the best of the free.

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Right.

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It's where all that, where all the twists here and, you know, the

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terrorists are heading to the station.

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It's all building a momentum to a big rousing finale, whereas this

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absolutely feels like the filler between 2 pieces of bread to me.

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In a way, at the end of the episode, they kind of defeat or, you

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know, they overcome the marauder and it vanishes.

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And in a way, this story could have ended there, that would have

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been fine.

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But what we get to get the 3rd episode happening is to reveal that

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the Ina kid is piloting the spaceship.

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And then we find out who that is very early on and Strand steal

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aboard the ship for that episode and we...

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Is there more action in the 3rd one?

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bet there is.

353
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No, we actually go to Andoria and we visit the Inar and we learn

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about them.

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I might have been a bit more interesting.

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And we meet the sister and then we go back on board and we have a

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confrontation and stuff and it's a lot more kind of focussed and

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interesting, I think.

359
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It is the cruel fate of the randomiser then that we landed upon

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that we got that episode too.

361
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Well, on that note, should we go watch it?

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I think we should.

363
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I think we should.

364
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I mean, I think I think the thing is here, the keyword is united

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and this is the birthplace.

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This is the very kind of kindling of the United Federation of

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planets.

368
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Oh, for sure.

369
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Yes, and they're doing all of that this year, aren't they?

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to get to that point.

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That's right.

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Trouble is, we don't get to that point because the axe comes down

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but yeah.

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But, I mean, yes, it doesn't happen for another 6 years or

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something.

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I'll set you into thread and I've set you off, Mike.

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I think series 5 of Enterprise would have been pretty

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extraordinary because I think in 4 they're absolutely figuring out

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what works in this show, how to tell more interesting stories, how

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to give everybody something to do.

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I mean, I was so happy that how she got a scene in this.

382
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Hurrah.

383
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Get your pen out, love.

384
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Oh, yeah.

385
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Well, you said she got one in the last scene as well.

386
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You're getting greedy now.

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But I don't think they're quite there yet, but I think they're

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making huge strides this season compared to where we started in

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series one.

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You remember Strange New World?

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We've come a long way. getting from there to here.

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Oh boy, please press play.

393
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We do that every single episode.

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Okay, I will count in 5, 4, 3, 2, one, and we're off.

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So previously.

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So, see the big antennas on the front of the ship?

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So it's got the big antennas, the big antennas are for the remote

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control.

399
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Right?

400
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I did like...

401
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Sorry, go on.

402
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Go on.

403
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No, no.

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And then there's hollow emitters on the, those, those sort of

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glowing things on the ship, on the outside of the ship, the hollow

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emitters.

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The, the crazy design of the, what turns out to be the Andorian in

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the chair with all the sort of glowy tubes all over him.

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I did love that.

410
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That's a bit different.

411
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Yeah.

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Well, what was the what was the one that we watched?

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Um, uh, it might have been sort of right near the end, but another

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sort of enterprise where we had a lot of negative space, um, and a

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big fabulous dark set for the villains, which I thought was really

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good.

417
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You're not talking about that TOS episode, are you?

418
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No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

419
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No, an enterprise episode where we had a set very similar to this

420
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one.

421
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See, so this set, they're on the bridge, right?

422
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Malcolm and and trip on the bridge, and then we're cutting back to

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this other thing, which is identical with the bridge, but now

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we're starting to see that there's a window, I don't think we saw

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the window in episode one that gives out onto the Romulan capital

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city, which, it turns out, is lifted from nemesis.

427
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So, um, it's the same model but a different kind of angle.

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I'm going to bizarrely say something complimentary about the

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execution given I've just write it all over it.

430
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But the decision to light the Romulans from below in this scene

431
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was a great idea because Brian Thompson already looks menacing.

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And then you light him from below and he looks terrifying.

433
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He's really great in this.

434
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His physicality used to be his main thing.

435
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You know, he was kind of big and buff and a bit intimidating

436
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physically and now he's a bit older and a little bit kind of, you

437
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know, doughier.

438
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I don't know.

439
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He's a, you know, his face is so... where he's got a double chin

440
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and stuff like that. you know, before he had a very striking

441
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face.

442
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Now he's a little bit rounder faced and stuff.

443
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But I still got that voice, Nathan.

444
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Yeah, I just found him so compelling.

445
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I thought he was really great in this.

446
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You usually think it, because he doesn't ever say anything in the

447
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X-Files, does he ever?

448
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Well, no, no, you ask the old line.

449
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Yeah.

450
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Yeah.

451
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Tell me where he is.

452
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Lines like that, you know, yeah, yeah.

453
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Functional lines.

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Oh, can I confess something to you now?

455
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I was like, I can't believe I don't know what came over me, but I

456
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was sort of doing some steps at home whilst I was watching this.

457
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And I pressed fast forward 10 seconds when the music started.

458
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I was like, what am I doing?

459
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Yeah, yeah, I went back 10 seconds.

460
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Obviously, I went back and listened to that.

461
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Yeah, yeah.

462
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Yeah, the only title sequence I watch every time.

463
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Yeah, no, I always watch some.

464
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I love the time. of the heart. my god. beautiful.

465
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Can we have a dance for that when you come here?

466
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You're visiting soon.

467
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

468
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I think so.

469
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I love this.

470
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We'll have a waltz around the room to play for the heart.

471
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Dead core.

472
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Will too.

473
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This keeps very I'm the age of a dad now, all right.

474
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It's perfect You want marketing?

475
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That'll be our market if you and me dancing around the room for

476
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this.

477
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Oh dear.

478
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Okay.

479
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I might have had enough of it. get this song wrapped up.

480
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

481
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Shut up, Russell.

482
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Oh, Rick Berman and Brad and Braga, right?

483
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Our side of quality.

484
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That was once.

485
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It was a sign of a ratings hit back in the day.

486
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What happened?

487
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So, oh, yeah, and we did have that fight.

488
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We did have that fight, which the fight in which Talis got shot

489
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last week, and that was kind of exciting as well.

490
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If only they took Archer, they're seeing and put Tripp into it

491
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you'd have the 3 prettiest people of the crew together.

492
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It'd be lovely, wouldn't it?

493
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It is true.

494
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Look at how serious they all are, though.

495
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But I love this idea where the ship.

496
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So because the ship starts this, the 1st episode starts on trans

497
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ship, which is called the Kumari, and it gets destroyed.

498
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It gets attacked by the Tellerites and destroyed, and they pick up

499
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the survivors.

500
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There's like 19 survivors out of 80 or something.

501
00:23:11.700 --> 00:23:16.259
And, um, And then the Tellerites complain that they're being

502
00:23:16.259 --> 00:23:19.859
attacked by, by Andorians and stuff.

503
00:23:19.920 --> 00:23:23.640
And all of this is lifted from journey to babel, where the Orions

504
00:23:23.640 --> 00:23:25.319
are trying to sow dissension.

505
00:23:25.380 --> 00:23:28.980
I was going to say Doctor Who's frontier in space, but clearly

506
00:23:28.980 --> 00:23:30.660
they'd watch Journey to Babel.

507
00:23:30.720 --> 00:23:32.039
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

508
00:23:32.099 --> 00:23:34.200
So Journey debate was well. that reminds me of that interview

509
00:23:34.200 --> 00:23:37.200
where Jeffrey Coombes was, you know, facing up against Branham Bra

510
00:23:37.200 --> 00:23:39.599
going, how dare you not give me a regular pot?

511
00:23:39.660 --> 00:23:42.299
Well, they sort of did. he gets a lot to do in this season.

512
00:23:42.359 --> 00:23:44.519
He's really...

513
00:23:44.579 --> 00:23:47.460
Brandon, for once, I'm on your side and you should have said, well

514
00:23:47.460 --> 00:23:48.660
we kept giving you work, all right?

515
00:23:48.720 --> 00:23:49.440
Stop complaining.

516
00:23:49.920 --> 00:23:51.720
Fuck, he's good.

517
00:23:51.779 --> 00:23:52.440
He's so good.

518
00:23:52.500 --> 00:23:57.119
So this woman has been on it before, hasn't she, Molly Brink?

519
00:23:57.180 --> 00:23:59.039
Like she has been his sidekick.

520
00:23:59.099 --> 00:24:03.299
I think we might have seen her before, but it's established last

521
00:24:03.299 --> 00:24:05.339
week that they're in a relationship finally.

522
00:24:05.700 --> 00:24:10.619
Can I, um, confess another problem?

523
00:24:10.680 --> 00:24:14.579
Yeah, I know this is Star Trek and we're used to ridiculous

524
00:24:14.579 --> 00:24:15.059
things.

525
00:24:15.119 --> 00:24:21.119
But these twitching appendages during deeply serious scenes.

526
00:24:21.359 --> 00:24:25.500
It is inadvertently hilariously funny.

527
00:24:25.559 --> 00:24:28.619
That's where the fun is. that they don't realise how absolutely

528
00:24:28.619 --> 00:24:29.339
stupid.

529
00:24:29.460 --> 00:24:31.440
I mean, look at it's fucking thing.

530
00:24:31.440 --> 00:24:33.599
I know, it's really funny, isn't it?

531
00:24:33.660 --> 00:24:34.140
It is great.

532
00:24:34.200 --> 00:24:37.079
And it is a proper serious scene as well, isn't it?

533
00:24:37.140 --> 00:24:41.339
Yeah, well, no, in every scene he's serious in this, but he still

534
00:24:41.339 --> 00:24:44.579
has twitching tentacles for what are they called?

535
00:24:45.240 --> 00:24:46.140
antennae.

536
00:24:46.200 --> 00:24:46.680
Yeah, yeah.

537
00:24:46.740 --> 00:24:48.599
I, what do they do?

538
00:24:48.660 --> 00:24:49.380
Do we know?

539
00:24:49.500 --> 00:24:54.359
We do find out because he can't continue fighting once Archer

540
00:24:54.359 --> 00:24:58.799
chops one of his antennae off because he's and he loses balance

541
00:24:58.799 --> 00:25:03.180
crucially at one point next week he can't balance because one of

542
00:25:03.180 --> 00:25:04.859
the antennae's been cut off.

543
00:25:04.920 --> 00:25:09.359
So he's right. when the Klingons came back in TNG.

544
00:25:09.420 --> 00:25:11.700
They said, you know what, we didn't put too much effort during

545
00:25:11.700 --> 00:25:12.420
TOS.

546
00:25:12.480 --> 00:25:15.480
We're going to update them a bit, make them look a bit less stupid

547
00:25:15.480 --> 00:25:17.339
or a bit more stupid.

548
00:25:17.400 --> 00:25:19.680
They look stupider in Journey to Baby.

549
00:25:20.640 --> 00:25:22.019
Really?

550
00:25:22.079 --> 00:25:23.579
Were they moving?

551
00:25:23.640 --> 00:25:25.140
No, no movement.

552
00:25:25.200 --> 00:25:26.279
I'll switch the details.

553
00:25:26.339 --> 00:25:30.480
And then it turned out that the villa, the Andorian villain was

554
00:25:30.480 --> 00:25:34.380
really in Orion, who'd been surgically altered, i.e. painted blue

555
00:25:34.380 --> 00:25:39.299
in order to pass for a, uh, so his antennae weren't even real.

556
00:25:39.299 --> 00:25:43.440
We was talking about the CGI vistas that they're achieving now.

557
00:25:43.500 --> 00:25:45.359
I do think they are incredibly good.

558
00:25:45.420 --> 00:25:48.420
The only thing that lets it down and I can see it on the

559
00:25:48.420 --> 00:25:53.039
background there behind you is this sort of Lego City Sea that

560
00:25:53.039 --> 00:25:56.640
they have going around the edges that looks incredibly fake.

561
00:25:56.700 --> 00:25:59.640
But the rest of it, the detail in the buildings is pretty

562
00:25:59.640 --> 00:26:00.059
impressive.

563
00:26:00.119 --> 00:26:04.500
I'd be surprised if that wasn't a real element, that the, that the

564
00:26:04.500 --> 00:26:09.059
background wasn't like a photo that they'd taken or taken and

565
00:26:09.059 --> 00:26:12.000
adjusted, you know, Oh, no, I'm talking about the sea there.

566
00:26:12.059 --> 00:26:13.980
It's just curling around the edge.

567
00:26:14.039 --> 00:26:15.599
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, fake.

568
00:26:15.660 --> 00:26:16.319
Yeah, it does.

569
00:26:16.380 --> 00:26:20.700
So this is the same model that they used in Star Trek Nemesis. and

570
00:26:20.700 --> 00:26:24.119
I didn't check any further than the opening minute of Star Trek

571
00:26:24.119 --> 00:26:25.980
Nemesis to establish that.

572
00:26:26.039 --> 00:26:29.940
It's not the same shot, and maybe they just take...

573
00:26:30.000 --> 00:26:30.900
Look, Riemens.

574
00:26:30.960 --> 00:26:33.180
Like, there's Riemens in the background of that show.

575
00:26:33.240 --> 00:26:37.559
I'm going, well, there weren't Riemens in 2154, but of course

576
00:26:37.559 --> 00:26:39.299
there were. just didn't know about them.

577
00:26:39.359 --> 00:26:42.960
Why are they reminding us of nemesis of all things?

578
00:26:43.019 --> 00:26:45.180
Well, the costumes are lying around.

579
00:26:45.240 --> 00:26:48.119
And I did think that they looked pretty good, the the Rimans.

580
00:26:48.180 --> 00:26:51.000
Yeah, you had a certain noferatu thing.

581
00:26:51.059 --> 00:26:53.279
One last thing about the special topics.

582
00:26:53.339 --> 00:26:56.400
I think it's great that they're being this ambitious with their

583
00:26:56.400 --> 00:26:57.539
CGI.

584
00:26:57.599 --> 00:27:03.059
And we were talking about the map paintings in TNG and DS9 and

585
00:27:03.059 --> 00:27:05.940
stuff and how they do those weird sort of sweeps across to suggest

586
00:27:05.940 --> 00:27:06.539
movement.

587
00:27:06.599 --> 00:27:09.960
There's far more dynamism in what they're doing now, but because

588
00:27:09.960 --> 00:27:13.319
CGI is still kind of in its infancy at this point.

589
00:27:13.380 --> 00:27:17.339
I think the match shots are beautiful, yeah?

590
00:27:17.400 --> 00:27:21.119
And they hold up because they're not trying to be too ambitious.

591
00:27:21.240 --> 00:27:25.980
Whereas the CGI hit, whenever I see a person and there's just an

592
00:27:25.980 --> 00:27:29.579
outline of a person walking about, it's, wow, we've come a long

593
00:27:29.579 --> 00:27:30.599
we've come a long way, haven't we?

594
00:27:30.660 --> 00:27:33.299
The little CGI people never work in Enterprise.

595
00:27:33.359 --> 00:27:34.920
I do think these cityscapes look great.

596
00:27:34.980 --> 00:27:39.900
And next week we will see the Ina City under the ice and that's

597
00:27:39.900 --> 00:27:41.819
imaginative and interesting as well.

598
00:27:41.880 --> 00:27:45.240
And I do think that the marauder, the drone looks great.

599
00:27:45.299 --> 00:27:48.900
You know, the little drone and how it moves. at the end was

600
00:27:48.900 --> 00:27:52.079
incredibly good, like, and they did a sort of fly around of that

601
00:27:52.079 --> 00:27:53.819
and yeah, that was really, really great.

602
00:27:53.880 --> 00:27:57.299
I mean, please go back and watch Babylon 5 CGI.

603
00:27:57.359 --> 00:27:59.099
To see how far we've come.

604
00:27:59.160 --> 00:28:01.200
I don't. won't be doing that.

605
00:28:02.759 --> 00:28:06.420
I believe that's a bit of a blank spot in your mind, isn't it?

606
00:28:06.480 --> 00:28:07.200
Babylon 5?

607
00:28:07.259 --> 00:28:09.299
Just slip straight out.

608
00:28:09.359 --> 00:28:11.279
By tomorrow I'll never have heard of it.

609
00:28:11.339 --> 00:28:13.079
Keep it that way.

610
00:28:14.579 --> 00:28:16.019
Okay.

611
00:28:16.079 --> 00:28:20.220
So we did get a mention of minefield, because that was their 1st

612
00:28:20.220 --> 00:28:24.359
encounter with the Romulans, and again, they encounter them in a

613
00:28:24.359 --> 00:28:28.859
ship without ever seeing them, and they encounter their minds and

614
00:28:28.859 --> 00:28:29.160
staff.

615
00:28:29.220 --> 00:28:31.799
And so we think this is a Romulan ship.

616
00:28:31.859 --> 00:28:34.920
The Romulans are very confident that they can't be tracked, but

617
00:28:34.920 --> 00:28:37.619
they're told very definitely that they can be.

618
00:28:37.980 --> 00:28:42.839
We have been doing 2 people stuck in a room with a technobabble

619
00:28:42.839 --> 00:28:45.000
problem for 15 years now, yeah?

620
00:28:45.059 --> 00:28:48.180
What they should be doing here is pumping this scene full of

621
00:28:48.180 --> 00:28:51.299
character moments. as well as doing the Taylor babble.

622
00:28:51.359 --> 00:28:54.420
Like, do you remember when we watched Change of Face of Evil and

623
00:28:54.420 --> 00:28:56.579
we were going around the ship just before they were going off to

624
00:28:56.579 --> 00:28:59.579
war and they were all doing their consoles and bits like this and

625
00:28:59.579 --> 00:29:03.000
everyone had a witty line and everyone was going down. you know

626
00:29:03.000 --> 00:29:04.319
and I was like, yeah, we're there.

627
00:29:04.380 --> 00:29:07.799
They figured out how to do all this boring exposition with a lot

628
00:29:07.799 --> 00:29:08.460
of personality.

629
00:29:08.519 --> 00:29:10.680
So why is this all check the babble?

630
00:29:10.740 --> 00:29:11.579
I think it's awful.

631
00:29:11.640 --> 00:29:14.759
And the one scene at the end of this, at the end that wraps up

632
00:29:14.759 --> 00:29:20.759
this subplot, I think is dreadful, and it's an attempt...

633
00:29:20.819 --> 00:29:21.720
Yeah I think it's awful.

634
00:29:21.779 --> 00:29:25.079
Yeah, but I was just so happy that somebody was smiling and said

635
00:29:25.079 --> 00:29:28.079
like teasing him, you know, in a way that's not funny.

636
00:29:28.140 --> 00:29:30.299
Ah, Psych, I'm not going to report you.

637
00:29:30.359 --> 00:29:32.039
Ha ha, you're easy to fool.

638
00:29:32.099 --> 00:29:33.660
I'm your commanding officer.

639
00:29:33.720 --> 00:29:35.880
It just made Tripp seem like a prick.

640
00:29:36.000 --> 00:29:39.119
And like, that's...

641
00:29:39.119 --> 00:29:42.900
I refuse to believe, Nathan, but anybody would light a room from a

642
00:29:42.900 --> 00:29:45.839
table like this with no other lighting source.

643
00:29:45.900 --> 00:29:48.119
I mean, I realise it's atmospheric.

644
00:29:48.180 --> 00:29:50.640
But that's not really what you go for during diplomatic talks.

645
00:29:50.700 --> 00:29:54.420
I think they discovered in 10 forward that it gave very

646
00:29:54.420 --> 00:29:55.019
traumatic.

647
00:29:57.119 --> 00:29:58.799
Don't you think?

648
00:29:58.859 --> 00:30:01.559
It was like 10 four and they said, fuck, we should need more lit

649
00:30:01.559 --> 00:30:02.099
tables.

650
00:30:02.160 --> 00:30:05.279
I cannot look at those hairy warthogs.

651
00:30:05.339 --> 00:30:06.960
Look at the state of here.

652
00:30:07.019 --> 00:30:07.440
Right.

653
00:30:07.500 --> 00:30:10.859
I think like the teeth, the lower teeth, the fangs on the lower

654
00:30:10.859 --> 00:30:12.299
jaw look really great.

655
00:30:12.359 --> 00:30:14.460
I think they look properly like pigs.

656
00:30:14.519 --> 00:30:19.200
Like they don't work at all in original track and like trying to

657
00:30:19.200 --> 00:30:22.500
recreate them like I looked at photos of them from the movies and

658
00:30:22.500 --> 00:30:26.700
stuff like that and even in discovery, like they just don't look

659
00:30:26.700 --> 00:30:27.599
very good.

660
00:30:27.720 --> 00:30:31.319
I don't want you coming up me, people on social media, all right.

661
00:30:31.380 --> 00:30:32.700
They're not real, okay?

662
00:30:32.759 --> 00:30:36.299
Because I realise I've been very mean about a lot of aliens lately

663
00:30:36.299 --> 00:30:36.839
on this podcast.

664
00:30:37.380 --> 00:30:39.660
God they are hideous.

665
00:30:39.720 --> 00:30:41.759
I think they look they're pretty good.

666
00:30:41.819 --> 00:30:45.839
They might be the best version of them that's been done. better

667
00:30:45.839 --> 00:30:46.319
than Polk.

668
00:30:46.380 --> 00:30:50.160
Yeah, because Pog doesn't really look enough like a Telleride.

669
00:30:50.220 --> 00:30:52.079
They just get away with it because it's a cartoon.

670
00:30:52.140 --> 00:30:55.259
Well, because it's that fabulous CGI, so dynamic.

671
00:30:55.319 --> 00:30:57.960
You see him running around and leaping around rooms and things.

672
00:30:58.019 --> 00:31:02.700
But there is another Tellerite character in, like on Janeway's

673
00:31:02.700 --> 00:31:06.539
ship, on the Dauntless, which doesn't look like Pog at all.

674
00:31:06.779 --> 00:31:10.500
And, oh, yes, they remember to make poke funny.

675
00:31:10.559 --> 00:31:12.720
And that makes him incredibly appealing.

676
00:31:12.779 --> 00:31:16.200
Yeah, not like either of these people in this plot.

677
00:31:16.380 --> 00:31:20.220
Not like anybody in this block.

678
00:31:20.279 --> 00:31:25.259
But like what I like here is the interaction with the Romulans

679
00:31:25.259 --> 00:31:28.799
here, like the interaction with Brian Thompson, where Brian

680
00:31:28.799 --> 00:31:30.000
Thompson talks to them.

681
00:31:30.059 --> 00:31:33.539
I think there's a terrific moment where he calls Reed Malcolm

682
00:31:33.539 --> 00:31:38.039
because that's just what he's heard trip calling him.

683
00:31:38.099 --> 00:31:43.319
And, you know, like, like, I think he's got a really great ominous

684
00:31:43.319 --> 00:31:43.740
voice.

685
00:31:43.799 --> 00:31:47.700
I think they have this weird power over them.

686
00:31:47.759 --> 00:31:52.920
Like it's an odd, it's like an odd twist on what is a fairly kind

687
00:31:52.920 --> 00:31:54.839
of boring thing, I think.

688
00:31:54.900 --> 00:31:58.859
Yeah, but because of the reason you said earlier that we can't see

689
00:31:58.859 --> 00:31:59.519
them, yeah?

690
00:31:59.579 --> 00:32:02.819
It's like can't have a scene together, which means it's all done

691
00:32:02.819 --> 00:32:03.900
over intercoms.

692
00:32:04.019 --> 00:32:06.599
Yeah, but that's that's interesting.

693
00:32:06.660 --> 00:32:08.099
I think that's something that's interesting.

694
00:32:08.160 --> 00:32:10.319
Like, I think, given they're doing it.

695
00:32:10.380 --> 00:32:13.619
And given that they have these constraints, and given that they're

696
00:32:13.619 --> 00:32:17.819
trying to play in the TOS sandbox, which is why we get Romulans

697
00:32:17.819 --> 00:32:21.299
here, um, Look at this, fella, look, he said, trying to say you're

698
00:32:21.299 --> 00:32:24.539
very dramatic, it appears they fail in the main matrix of the warp

699
00:32:24.539 --> 00:32:25.019
coupling.

700
00:32:25.079 --> 00:32:26.279
My god.

701
00:32:28.440 --> 00:32:30.900
The strakes are high now.

702
00:32:30.960 --> 00:32:34.380
But it goes, I'm going to, I'm going to flip through these surplit

703
00:32:34.380 --> 00:32:34.920
couplers.

704
00:32:34.980 --> 00:32:35.759
Oh, my God.

705
00:32:35.819 --> 00:32:38.819
Yeah, he just says, look, we'll just lock him in the room because

706
00:32:38.819 --> 00:32:40.559
we've got something in there to kill him with.

707
00:32:40.619 --> 00:32:42.299
I thought that was really good.

708
00:32:42.359 --> 00:32:43.140
I thought that was great.

709
00:32:43.200 --> 00:32:45.839
Like, I realise I'm not your typical Star Trek fan.

710
00:32:45.960 --> 00:32:46.319
Okay.

711
00:32:46.380 --> 00:32:49.799
I love Star Trek, yeah, but I just can't bear.

712
00:32:49.920 --> 00:32:52.079
This is like 2 Daleks talking to each other.

713
00:32:52.140 --> 00:32:53.940
All of this Tetla babble.

714
00:32:54.000 --> 00:32:54.900
Yeah.

715
00:32:54.900 --> 00:32:57.720
Yeah, no, but I mean, this is about how to kill them, how to get

716
00:32:57.720 --> 00:32:58.680
the ship back off them.

717
00:32:58.799 --> 00:32:59.579
Do you know what I mean?

718
00:32:59.640 --> 00:33:03.900
There's a very clear kind of, uh, he wants these guys want to do

719
00:33:03.900 --> 00:33:05.640
something, they want them not to do it.

720
00:33:05.700 --> 00:33:08.339
You know, like, I don't think, I don't think there's any lack of

721
00:33:08.339 --> 00:33:10.500
clarity in what the episode's about.

722
00:33:10.559 --> 00:33:14.880
Um, I don't think it's primarily techno-babble, but trying to gain

723
00:33:14.880 --> 00:33:15.839
control of the sheep.

724
00:33:15.960 --> 00:33:20.339
Oh, I mean, in the dialogue that I'm reading right now of the

725
00:33:20.339 --> 00:33:22.559
screen, all I'm seeing is Alabama.

726
00:33:22.619 --> 00:33:23.099
Yeah, yeah.

727
00:33:23.880 --> 00:33:25.259
Yeah.

728
00:33:25.319 --> 00:33:26.460
Who are you?

729
00:33:26.519 --> 00:33:30.660
Unfortunately, we're not revealed for another 60 years, so I can't

730
00:33:30.660 --> 00:33:31.019
tell you.

731
00:33:32.099 --> 00:33:35.039
But you'll know that I'm very menacing.

732
00:33:35.099 --> 00:33:37.680
So when I turn up in the neutral zone, you'll know I'm bad news.

733
00:33:37.740 --> 00:33:39.900
He does have a very scary voice.

734
00:33:39.960 --> 00:33:42.539
It's like a lameo in the neutral zone, of course.

735
00:33:42.599 --> 00:33:45.299
Yeah, I'll they do choose their representatives.

736
00:33:45.359 --> 00:33:46.980
The actors extremely well.

737
00:33:47.339 --> 00:33:50.819
So I always, this thing shits me right.

738
00:33:50.880 --> 00:33:53.640
So, like, what...

739
00:33:53.640 --> 00:33:55.259
Not that bad of a design enterprise?

740
00:33:55.319 --> 00:33:56.220
What annoys you about?

741
00:33:56.519 --> 00:33:57.059
No, no, no.

742
00:33:57.119 --> 00:34:00.539
The thing about trapping them in the radioactive room and it's

743
00:34:00.539 --> 00:34:02.039
kind of like you'll be dead in a minute.

744
00:34:02.099 --> 00:34:06.240
And so basically the alternative is, if you get out before the

745
00:34:06.240 --> 00:34:09.420
minute, then you're perfectly fine and there's no ill effects at

746
00:34:09.420 --> 00:34:13.800
all, but if you go there for a 2nd longer than that, then you'll

747
00:34:13.800 --> 00:34:14.159
be dead.

748
00:34:14.219 --> 00:34:16.199
You know, like, you know, they're kind of...

749
00:34:16.199 --> 00:34:17.519
Star Trek escape room.

750
00:34:17.579 --> 00:34:22.440
It's like, he probably has a lot of cancer and like burns. you

751
00:34:22.440 --> 00:34:23.579
know, like.

752
00:34:24.360 --> 00:34:27.960
You know, I refuse to believe that they would kill off a regular

753
00:34:27.960 --> 00:34:31.380
honour surprise in a moment like that, you know, a sort of offhand

754
00:34:31.380 --> 00:34:31.739
moment.

755
00:34:31.800 --> 00:34:32.460
Oh, wait, no.

756
00:34:32.519 --> 00:34:33.360
These are the voyages.

757
00:34:33.420 --> 00:34:36.059
I absolutely would do that. was terrible.

758
00:34:36.300 --> 00:34:38.519
I like this scene.

759
00:34:38.519 --> 00:34:42.599
Like, yeah, I do like the relationship between Archer and Shrine

760
00:34:42.599 --> 00:34:45.179
and it's because they've given it some time.

761
00:34:45.239 --> 00:34:49.139
They've let the actors develop the relationship and there is, do

762
00:34:49.139 --> 00:34:49.679
you remember the start?

763
00:34:49.739 --> 00:34:50.940
They didn't get on at all.

764
00:34:51.000 --> 00:34:52.860
Just wait one sec.

765
00:34:52.920 --> 00:34:57.599
Here, Strand suggests that perhaps future vessels will be named

766
00:34:57.599 --> 00:35:01.739
after the Kumari and the Enterprise, that the Kumari Strand ship

767
00:35:01.739 --> 00:35:06.780
was named after the 1st ice cutter to circumnavigate Andoria.

768
00:35:06.780 --> 00:35:11.820
And in the final episode of Star Trek Picard, we have the USS

769
00:35:11.820 --> 00:35:16.079
Kumari, which is named... after this.

770
00:35:16.139 --> 00:35:17.880
As it should be.

771
00:35:17.940 --> 00:35:18.780
Do you know what I mean?

772
00:35:18.840 --> 00:35:19.920
This is the place.

773
00:35:19.980 --> 00:35:24.659
It was Shran that the Andorians and the humans become allies for

774
00:35:24.659 --> 00:35:27.480
the 1st time that they work together and they work together with

775
00:35:27.480 --> 00:35:28.199
the Tailorites.

776
00:35:28.260 --> 00:35:32.099
This important historical moment and so we name the USS Kumari

777
00:35:32.099 --> 00:35:32.519
after it.

778
00:35:32.579 --> 00:35:37.139
Do you wonder if Alex Kurtzman just sat down and watched all of

779
00:35:37.139 --> 00:35:38.219
Star Trek, right?

780
00:35:38.280 --> 00:35:41.699
Every sort of team that wasn't crossed an eye that wasn't died

781
00:35:41.760 --> 00:35:41.940
yeah.

782
00:35:42.000 --> 00:35:43.500
Ooh, did that accent again?

783
00:35:43.559 --> 00:35:44.579
That was well sexy.

784
00:35:44.639 --> 00:35:45.960
Oh, well, have that.

785
00:35:46.980 --> 00:35:52.199
No, like, it does actually mention a memory alpha who suggested

786
00:35:52.199 --> 00:35:56.639
calling it the USS Kumari and that it was a reference to that, but

787
00:35:56.639 --> 00:35:58.139
I think that's pretty terrific.

788
00:35:58.199 --> 00:36:00.780
I mean, they are so good at that, though, aren't they, Kersman

789
00:36:00.780 --> 00:36:01.139
Trek?

790
00:36:01.199 --> 00:36:06.000
I mean, the amount of lip service they pay to enterprise is

791
00:36:06.000 --> 00:36:06.719
astonishing.

792
00:36:06.780 --> 00:36:09.840
Given it was a spectacular flop.

793
00:36:09.900 --> 00:36:12.539
They truly have celebrated enterprise.

794
00:36:12.599 --> 00:36:13.559
For them, too.

795
00:36:13.679 --> 00:36:18.000
Like the, you know, those old scientists, the big key moment is, is

796
00:36:18.000 --> 00:36:23.280
the crew of enterprise geeking out over the crew of the NXO one.

797
00:36:23.579 --> 00:36:27.780
And over time, you know, I mean, even though DS9 is always the

798
00:36:27.780 --> 00:36:29.699
least served in Kurtzman Trek.

799
00:36:29.760 --> 00:36:32.400
Over time, they, you know, the change that came along, that big

800
00:36:32.400 --> 00:36:33.420
statue of O'Brien.

801
00:36:33.480 --> 00:36:34.320
There was enough there.

802
00:36:34.380 --> 00:36:35.159
There was enough.

803
00:36:35.219 --> 00:36:37.860
There's going to be a Gem Hadar in Starfleet Academy.

804
00:36:37.920 --> 00:36:41.400
Have you seen all the Star Trek fans losing their shit?

805
00:36:41.460 --> 00:36:44.159
You cannot have a female gem at all.

806
00:36:44.280 --> 00:36:45.179
They said it into the death.

807
00:36:45.239 --> 00:36:46.199
Oh, please.

808
00:36:49.440 --> 00:36:51.360
She looks amazing.

809
00:36:51.420 --> 00:36:52.920
She looks fantastic.

810
00:36:52.980 --> 00:36:53.699
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

811
00:36:53.760 --> 00:36:55.920
And she's teaching at the academy, I hope.

812
00:36:55.980 --> 00:36:58.860
Horrible sort of teefy bones all over the face.

813
00:36:58.920 --> 00:37:00.420
Oh terrific.

814
00:37:00.480 --> 00:37:02.219
A gem dog teacher.

815
00:37:02.280 --> 00:37:03.719
I can't wait.

816
00:37:03.780 --> 00:37:04.500
I cannot wait.

817
00:37:04.980 --> 00:37:06.780
Oh, damn.

818
00:37:06.840 --> 00:37:07.440
Now what's going on?

819
00:37:07.500 --> 00:37:08.400
Back to the escape room now.

820
00:37:08.460 --> 00:37:11.400
Actually, you know, I think this could sell, you know, this escape

821
00:37:11.400 --> 00:37:11.639
room.

822
00:37:11.699 --> 00:37:14.340
All right, get out of there in a minute or you're dying a

823
00:37:14.340 --> 00:37:15.179
radiation poisoning.

824
00:37:15.300 --> 00:37:18.000
Are you any good with an escape room?

825
00:37:18.059 --> 00:37:19.139
I'm not.

826
00:37:19.199 --> 00:37:20.280
I've never done an escape room.

827
00:37:20.340 --> 00:37:21.480
I don't think it would ship me.

828
00:37:21.539 --> 00:37:21.960
Yeah.

829
00:37:22.019 --> 00:37:25.079
Oh, yeah, I did one with Marva off and he got so angry.

830
00:37:25.139 --> 00:37:26.820
It was like, what's the logic?

831
00:37:26.880 --> 00:37:27.659
Where's the logic in that?

832
00:37:27.719 --> 00:37:29.159
You know, that doesn't make any sense.

833
00:37:29.219 --> 00:37:31.199
I was like, it's supposed to be fun, you know?

834
00:37:32.940 --> 00:37:36.659
Yeah, love...

835
00:37:36.659 --> 00:37:39.360
Do your duty, Malcolm, save your commander's life.

836
00:37:39.420 --> 00:37:41.039
Like, I'd like him.

837
00:37:41.099 --> 00:37:42.239
I think he's really good in this.

838
00:37:42.300 --> 00:37:44.940
Nathan, they look like Burns victims.

839
00:37:45.059 --> 00:37:45.960
Who?

840
00:37:46.019 --> 00:37:47.940
These Tellerrites.

841
00:37:48.000 --> 00:37:48.659
Look at that.

842
00:37:48.659 --> 00:37:49.679
Are they kind of pigs?

843
00:37:49.980 --> 00:37:52.619
Yeah, pigs that have been burned.

844
00:37:52.679 --> 00:37:56.039
No.

845
00:37:56.039 --> 00:38:00.000
I don't want to look at them on the screwing.

846
00:38:00.119 --> 00:38:03.659
I didn't realise we served the Macos on the ship in series 4.

847
00:38:03.900 --> 00:38:05.159
I wondered about that too.

848
00:38:05.219 --> 00:38:06.599
And there's one hot one here.

849
00:38:06.659 --> 00:38:07.860
Look, not that guy.

850
00:38:07.920 --> 00:38:08.940
Yeah, always fan.

851
00:38:09.000 --> 00:38:10.860
No, not Shrak guy, right?

852
00:38:10.920 --> 00:38:11.460
Like that guy.

853
00:38:11.519 --> 00:38:12.000
Look at that.

854
00:38:12.059 --> 00:38:13.559
He looks like a man.

855
00:38:13.619 --> 00:38:15.659
No, I'm back on the teller right now.

856
00:38:15.719 --> 00:38:16.980
We clearly a few seconds apart.

857
00:38:17.039 --> 00:38:19.739
Please tell me you're not talking about that guy.

858
00:38:19.800 --> 00:38:20.880
Fuck you, hell.

859
00:38:20.940 --> 00:38:21.719
No, no, no.

860
00:38:23.699 --> 00:38:28.079
Oh, actually, there's a very hot personal colour there behind.

861
00:38:28.139 --> 00:38:28.800
That's what I mean.

862
00:38:28.860 --> 00:38:29.639
Yeah, that guy.

863
00:38:29.699 --> 00:38:31.079
Yeah, all that, yeah.

864
00:38:31.139 --> 00:38:32.280
White guy's quite nice as well.

865
00:38:32.340 --> 00:38:33.539
That's why they're mad.

866
00:38:33.599 --> 00:38:34.619
Maybe that's why they catch him around.

867
00:38:36.239 --> 00:38:38.760
Not enough pretty people in the cars.

868
00:38:38.820 --> 00:38:42.239
Have they not ever seen, you know, where the Macos come back from

869
00:38:42.239 --> 00:38:45.780
a deadly planet and they go to the decontamination chamber and

870
00:38:45.780 --> 00:38:47.820
because they're clearly all men.

871
00:38:47.880 --> 00:38:49.079
They have to rub the gel.

872
00:38:49.139 --> 00:38:50.099
Oh, there's one lady.

873
00:38:50.159 --> 00:38:51.539
There's one lady I think.

874
00:38:51.599 --> 00:38:54.599
Oh, they'd all be curing up beyond her, wouldn't they?

875
00:38:54.659 --> 00:38:56.880
So not all of them.

876
00:38:57.119 --> 00:38:58.800
Oh, boy.

877
00:38:58.860 --> 00:39:00.420
I mean, I do like this.

878
00:39:00.480 --> 00:39:02.639
I do like the fact that he brings the blood.

879
00:39:02.699 --> 00:39:03.360
Right.

880
00:39:03.420 --> 00:39:04.440
Is that this bit?

881
00:39:04.500 --> 00:39:05.519
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

882
00:39:05.579 --> 00:39:06.960
And he pours it out for his house.

883
00:39:07.019 --> 00:39:12.000
It's very traumatic and then goes to kill him. this was probably

884
00:39:12.000 --> 00:39:15.239
my favourite part of the because I knew he was going to try and go

885
00:39:15.239 --> 00:39:15.599
for him.

886
00:39:15.659 --> 00:39:18.239
Do you know, do you know what my favourite part is?

887
00:39:18.300 --> 00:39:23.039
And we kind of missed it, but there's a moment where Shran goes to

888
00:39:23.039 --> 00:39:26.940
threaten the doctor, because, you know, Shran arrives to see

889
00:39:26.940 --> 00:39:30.840
Talis's body, he knows that she's dead, and the doctor says I did

890
00:39:30.840 --> 00:39:35.760
everything I can, and he starts to threaten him, and Archer just

891
00:39:35.760 --> 00:39:37.079
says Shran.

892
00:39:37.139 --> 00:39:39.480
And then he goes, yeah, no.

893
00:39:39.539 --> 00:39:40.559
Do you know what I mean?

894
00:39:40.619 --> 00:39:42.119
and just behaves like a normal person.

895
00:39:42.179 --> 00:39:44.099
And it was such a good moment.

896
00:39:44.159 --> 00:39:46.260
Like, it was underplayed by everyone.

897
00:39:46.320 --> 00:39:47.340
Yeah.

898
00:39:47.400 --> 00:39:50.639
Yeah, but you know, that shouldn't be the best moment.

899
00:39:50.639 --> 00:39:53.219
No, but I did think that was pretty good.

900
00:39:53.280 --> 00:39:57.719
And it is that thing because that is the theme here where Shan

901
00:39:57.719 --> 00:40:03.239
respects, Archer, and wants to has a job to do, but can't stop

902
00:40:03.239 --> 00:40:06.059
himself with his Klingon bull, Klingon bullshit.

903
00:40:06.119 --> 00:40:08.099
His Andorian Star Trek.

904
00:40:08.159 --> 00:40:08.519
No shit.

905
00:40:08.579 --> 00:40:10.500
No, that was a good Freudian slip.

906
00:40:10.559 --> 00:40:11.699
Okay, yeah.

907
00:40:12.300 --> 00:40:14.099
Yeah, basically...

908
00:40:14.639 --> 00:40:15.300
What are we doing?

909
00:40:15.300 --> 00:40:16.260
Wiggling antennas.

910
00:40:16.320 --> 00:40:17.460
Like, I'm sorry.

911
00:40:17.519 --> 00:40:20.400
I mean, the fact that, you know, you look at his acting, Jeffrey

912
00:40:20.400 --> 00:40:20.820
Coombs.

913
00:40:20.880 --> 00:40:24.000
Yeah, and yet he's got those...

914
00:40:25.079 --> 00:40:28.380
It just poured a load of ink over that ridiculous bird pig's

915
00:40:28.380 --> 00:40:28.559
hand.

916
00:40:28.679 --> 00:40:30.179
I mean what are we watching?

917
00:40:33.900 --> 00:40:36.300
Oh boy, 0 boy.

918
00:40:36.360 --> 00:40:37.500
Oh, back to the escape room.

919
00:40:37.619 --> 00:40:38.579
Okay.

920
00:40:38.639 --> 00:40:39.539
No, it's a good scene.

921
00:40:39.599 --> 00:40:41.579
No, no, I mean, I've taken the piss, but it is a really good

922
00:40:41.579 --> 00:40:41.880
scene.

923
00:40:41.940 --> 00:40:45.780
So for me, I think the problem, I think the problem with that is

924
00:40:45.780 --> 00:40:50.400
that the big thing is just some dumb Star Trek bullshit, where for

925
00:40:50.400 --> 00:40:54.239
the 1000000th time, we have to have a battle to the death between

926
00:40:54.239 --> 00:40:56.519
people and it's so boring.

927
00:40:56.579 --> 00:41:00.300
And like, in a way, I sort of think, well, okay, but it is Star

928
00:41:00.300 --> 00:41:02.880
Trek, maybe, maybe we're tuning in for that.

929
00:41:03.239 --> 00:41:08.039
I think, you know, that David Livingston may have directed code of

930
00:41:08.039 --> 00:41:09.480
honour back in the day.

931
00:41:09.539 --> 00:41:13.440
And, and, you know, because the reason I'm making so many

932
00:41:13.440 --> 00:41:16.019
comparisons with that fight with Code of Honour is because they

933
00:41:16.019 --> 00:41:20.760
both put things on their arms and clash the arm. they joined as

934
00:41:20.760 --> 00:41:21.000
well?

935
00:41:21.059 --> 00:41:22.199
Like are they joined with a role?

936
00:41:22.260 --> 00:41:22.980
I can't remember.

937
00:41:22.980 --> 00:41:27.239
But in code of honour, it's in this fabulous prison cell with

938
00:41:27.239 --> 00:41:31.019
glowing jumble matted into this huge cityscape, it looks

939
00:41:31.019 --> 00:41:31.619
incredible.

940
00:41:31.619 --> 00:41:34.920
Like, don't get me wrong, everything else about code of honour is

941
00:41:34.920 --> 00:41:35.760
hugely problematic.

942
00:41:35.820 --> 00:41:37.739
But that looks amazing.

943
00:41:37.800 --> 00:41:39.960
Whereas this is, it's in a dark room.

944
00:41:40.019 --> 00:41:41.699
The things they've got on their hands.

945
00:41:41.760 --> 00:41:44.039
They certainly don't have big spikes on them. very dull.

946
00:41:44.099 --> 00:41:45.539
It's very hot.

947
00:41:45.659 --> 00:41:47.940
And it is so Klingon, isn't it?

948
00:41:48.000 --> 00:41:50.519
It's so... on my honour.

949
00:41:50.579 --> 00:41:52.920
We have to have this fight with my best friend.

950
00:41:53.159 --> 00:41:58.260
But it's that thing too, where in enterprise, all, like the

951
00:41:58.260 --> 00:42:01.980
Tellorites are obnoxious and you have to be rude back to them.

952
00:42:02.159 --> 00:42:06.059
And that's, you know, the focus of the beginning of the 1st

953
00:42:06.059 --> 00:42:06.780
episode.

954
00:42:06.840 --> 00:42:09.539
The Vulcans are all racist assholes.

955
00:42:09.599 --> 00:42:11.280
I think they've got better by this point.

956
00:42:11.340 --> 00:42:13.139
Have we had Kershara yet or is it later?

957
00:42:13.199 --> 00:42:13.800
I can't remember.

958
00:42:13.860 --> 00:42:14.639
That's earlier.

959
00:42:14.699 --> 00:42:15.539
No, that's earlier.

960
00:42:15.599 --> 00:42:18.119
Yeah, that's right. because we get that line about Vulcan High

961
00:42:18.119 --> 00:42:22.320
Command having been disbanded and stuff. took a long time to make

962
00:42:22.320 --> 00:42:23.880
them anywhere near likeable though.

963
00:42:23.940 --> 00:42:27.960
And so we go out there and we're the reasonable ones.

964
00:42:28.019 --> 00:42:34.139
Americans are normal, reasonable people and everyone else is an

965
00:42:34.139 --> 00:42:38.699
alien with weird customs who should just get off their shit and

966
00:42:38.699 --> 00:42:43.199
behave like Americans. not you were doing a comedy routine in this

967
00:42:43.199 --> 00:42:44.639
episode. don't you think?

968
00:42:44.699 --> 00:42:45.659
what's happening?

969
00:42:45.659 --> 00:42:48.539
Isn't that what this episode is saying?

970
00:42:48.599 --> 00:42:51.420
Like, isn't that what Enterprise is saying?

971
00:42:51.659 --> 00:42:54.239
Yes, yes, yes.

972
00:42:54.360 --> 00:42:57.000
Another huge issue with this show.

973
00:42:57.059 --> 00:43:00.059
Americans are sane people. you mad?

974
00:43:00.119 --> 00:43:01.619
Yeah, that's right.

975
00:43:01.619 --> 00:43:05.579
If everyone could just be more normal the way Americans are

976
00:43:05.699 --> 00:43:06.480
right.

977
00:43:06.539 --> 00:43:11.820
Yeah, if you like volleyball and foosball, you know.

978
00:43:15.900 --> 00:43:17.820
Unbelievable.

979
00:43:17.880 --> 00:43:19.619
Isn't it?

980
00:43:19.619 --> 00:43:20.519
Jesus Christ.

981
00:43:20.579 --> 00:43:22.619
I mean, you know, if he's supposed to be the ultimate American

982
00:43:22.619 --> 00:43:23.579
archer.

983
00:43:23.639 --> 00:43:26.940
Hoshi shouldn't need to teach him how to be arrogant.

984
00:43:27.059 --> 00:43:28.440
Yeah.

985
00:43:28.440 --> 00:43:33.539
So she gets a bit of a scene, doesn't she, a bit later, but this, I

986
00:43:33.539 --> 00:43:34.079
mean, God.

987
00:43:34.139 --> 00:43:35.820
It's called the Ushantor.

988
00:43:35.880 --> 00:43:37.260
It's called a space name.

989
00:43:37.320 --> 00:43:40.500
It's called an Andorian batliff.

990
00:43:40.559 --> 00:43:45.300
No, it's called a nog, double A fight, a nog fight.

991
00:43:45.360 --> 00:43:47.940
Oh, my God. right.

992
00:43:48.000 --> 00:43:50.280
Jesus, those 2 macos.

993
00:43:50.340 --> 00:43:51.000
Did you see them there?

994
00:43:51.059 --> 00:43:54.300
Can they do the fight for Shroud unfortunately?

995
00:43:54.360 --> 00:43:55.920
strip off and do the fine.

996
00:43:55.980 --> 00:44:01.199
And the trouble is, is poor old Scott Bakula and Jeffrey Coombs

997
00:44:01.199 --> 00:44:04.079
they're not, you know, they're not fight artists.

998
00:44:04.139 --> 00:44:08.340
So they just go around the room looking a bit a bit sorry.

999
00:44:08.400 --> 00:44:13.559
Whereas if they, I actually think that that fight is not so badly

1000
00:44:13.559 --> 00:44:13.860
directed.

1001
00:44:13.920 --> 00:44:18.300
Oh, do you not remember the fights we saw when between Marsok and

1002
00:44:18.300 --> 00:44:22.920
the Jem'adar and Wharf in Purgatory Shadow by Those were terrific

1003
00:44:22.920 --> 00:44:23.340
fights.

1004
00:44:23.400 --> 00:44:26.219
Yeah, but they were more character stuff too.

1005
00:44:26.280 --> 00:44:28.079
Like, particularly the wharf stuff.

1006
00:44:28.139 --> 00:44:32.099
It was just like, you know, the sound effects were great.

1007
00:44:32.159 --> 00:44:35.159
You really felt the punches every time that they were going and

1008
00:44:35.159 --> 00:44:38.099
they were getting bloody and and...

1009
00:44:38.219 --> 00:44:39.119
What's going on here?

1010
00:44:39.179 --> 00:44:40.440
This is so stupid.

1011
00:44:40.500 --> 00:44:44.880
Like, he knows that it wasn't the tell right to attack his ship.

1012
00:44:44.940 --> 00:44:46.980
Why is he being an idiot about it now?

1013
00:44:47.039 --> 00:44:48.599
I have to get revenge.

1014
00:44:48.659 --> 00:44:51.119
What sort of racist, that's why.

1015
00:44:51.179 --> 00:44:52.260
It's just stupid.

1016
00:44:52.380 --> 00:44:56.699
You know, like the Tellrite, that Tellrite killed his and this.

1017
00:44:56.760 --> 00:45:03.420
So, so where, um, the moment, like you, I knew going in and I

1018
00:45:03.420 --> 00:45:04.260
hadn't seen this before.

1019
00:45:04.380 --> 00:45:05.460
Oh, I knew who he was.

1020
00:45:05.460 --> 00:45:06.780
Who is combat?

1021
00:45:06.780 --> 00:45:07.860
Oh, okay, all right.

1022
00:45:07.920 --> 00:45:09.059
So I'm going to fight you.

1023
00:45:09.119 --> 00:45:12.420
And, and, and, and Sharan works it out.

1024
00:45:12.480 --> 00:45:15.719
Archer doesn't even tell him, look, Archer, Archer just goes, not

1025
00:45:15.719 --> 00:45:18.539
the ambassador and smiles, and he goes, you have got to be fucking

1026
00:45:18.539 --> 00:45:19.500
kidding me.

1027
00:45:19.559 --> 00:45:22.860
Like, like, like, If only said that.

1028
00:45:22.920 --> 00:45:24.420
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1029
00:45:24.480 --> 00:45:25.440
Yeah.

1030
00:45:25.559 --> 00:45:28.380
So I figured this was the get out.

1031
00:45:28.440 --> 00:45:31.559
When he said it, I figured Shroud was going to go, oh, all right.

1032
00:45:31.619 --> 00:45:32.820
I'm being ridiculous.

1033
00:45:32.880 --> 00:45:34.500
No, we still go.

1034
00:45:34.500 --> 00:45:38.159
Because we've got another 10 minutes in this episode to Pat out.

1035
00:45:38.219 --> 00:45:41.280
And it would have been too, because that's a great moment where he

1036
00:45:41.280 --> 00:45:45.119
says, call it off and Shran says, I can't.

1037
00:45:45.119 --> 00:45:49.559
And like, he can't mainly, like, it is for plot reasons as well

1038
00:45:49.559 --> 00:45:51.480
but it is because he's conflicted.

1039
00:45:51.539 --> 00:45:52.860
And that is something.

1040
00:45:52.860 --> 00:45:53.760
Like, that's something.

1041
00:45:53.880 --> 00:45:54.900
That's not true.

1042
00:45:54.960 --> 00:45:56.519
Oh, dry ice, a shaky camera.

1043
00:45:56.579 --> 00:45:58.320
David Livingston, try harder.

1044
00:45:59.519 --> 00:46:02.820
You've been doing this since the early Voyager.

1045
00:46:02.880 --> 00:46:07.019
So there's one bit of direction here that you haven't commented on

1046
00:46:07.019 --> 00:46:11.760
and I am going to absolutely rub your nose in it because it is

1047
00:46:11.760 --> 00:46:13.079
shockingly bad.

1048
00:46:13.139 --> 00:46:14.639
It's coming up.

1049
00:46:14.699 --> 00:46:17.280
Is it a revolving drone shot, something like that?

1050
00:46:17.340 --> 00:46:18.480
A camera zooming around a room.

1051
00:46:18.539 --> 00:46:19.199
It is.

1052
00:46:19.260 --> 00:46:24.300
You know, I, every time I see the fella, you know, you know the

1053
00:46:24.300 --> 00:46:28.079
fella in the technology there with all the glowing wires.

1054
00:46:28.139 --> 00:46:31.139
It's given me huge lawmower man vibes.

1055
00:46:31.199 --> 00:46:32.159
Yeah, yeah.

1056
00:46:32.219 --> 00:46:33.780
Oh, no, I think it's probably...

1057
00:46:33.900 --> 00:46:36.719
I wish we could see from his point of view, though, because they

1058
00:46:36.719 --> 00:46:38.099
could do freaky effects and things, you know?

1059
00:46:38.159 --> 00:46:40.440
You're supposed to kind of forget about him a bit.

1060
00:46:40.500 --> 00:46:41.820
Do you know what I mean?

1061
00:46:41.880 --> 00:46:42.960
Which makes the...

1062
00:46:42.960 --> 00:46:44.039
He's always there in the shop.

1063
00:46:44.099 --> 00:46:48.360
Yeah, I know, but they don't emphasise him too much and it becomes

1064
00:46:48.360 --> 00:46:49.619
more of a thing later on.

1065
00:46:50.460 --> 00:46:55.199
Oh, God, this is just like, we know Archer is not going to be

1066
00:46:55.199 --> 00:46:55.440
killed.

1067
00:46:55.500 --> 00:46:58.380
Why are we doing this scene with Tapao who's crossed that he's

1068
00:46:58.380 --> 00:47:00.840
going to be fighting him. like, fuck's sake.

1069
00:47:00.900 --> 00:47:05.099
Well, I've not seen an egregious, you know, when Dax was going in

1070
00:47:05.099 --> 00:47:07.320
Meridian and everyone was coming to say goodbye to her.

1071
00:47:07.380 --> 00:47:08.099
It's like that.

1072
00:47:08.159 --> 00:47:11.460
It's like, we know this is not going to be the end of this

1073
00:47:11.460 --> 00:47:11.820
character.

1074
00:47:11.880 --> 00:47:16.019
Except again, this scene is about how aliens are weird and

1075
00:47:16.019 --> 00:47:21.000
unreasonable and human beings are properly rational and good at

1076
00:47:21.000 --> 00:47:21.900
making decisions.

1077
00:47:22.559 --> 00:47:26.460
Do you remember in a night at Sick Bay, whether he reached the

1078
00:47:26.460 --> 00:47:26.820
decision.

1079
00:47:26.880 --> 00:47:29.519
Well, I'm just going to have to do that weird alien.

1080
00:47:29.579 --> 00:47:30.239
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1081
00:47:30.539 --> 00:47:32.099
That's it.

1082
00:47:32.159 --> 00:47:35.340
Aliens that are all on their bullshit, you know, and then we just

1083
00:47:35.340 --> 00:47:36.179
have to wear them.

1084
00:47:36.539 --> 00:47:39.420
That's why I like DS9 so much.

1085
00:47:39.480 --> 00:47:43.019
All the aliens think they're humans are irrrational and stupid.

1086
00:47:43.079 --> 00:47:44.699
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's much better.

1087
00:47:44.760 --> 00:47:46.619
But, Nathan, I can get behind.

1088
00:47:46.679 --> 00:47:48.179
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1089
00:47:48.239 --> 00:47:52.380
So here we actually have these two.

1090
00:47:52.440 --> 00:47:56.219
So we've got Travis and Hoshi who actually get to interact with

1091
00:47:56.219 --> 00:47:56.699
one another.

1092
00:47:56.760 --> 00:48:01.320
Can you see the scratch on, um, what's the fellow's name?

1093
00:48:01.380 --> 00:48:03.239
I don't know the actor's name at all.

1094
00:48:03.300 --> 00:48:04.380
We never talk about him.

1095
00:48:04.440 --> 00:48:06.000
Anthony Montcalm.

1096
00:48:06.059 --> 00:48:09.119
Yeah, that's the scratch that she gave him when they were fighting

1097
00:48:09.119 --> 00:48:12.539
over the pin to highlight the scrich. because they had a scene

1098
00:48:12.539 --> 00:48:12.900
together.

1099
00:48:13.860 --> 00:48:15.960
It's quite refreshing.

1100
00:48:16.559 --> 00:48:16.920
It is.

1101
00:48:16.980 --> 00:48:17.699
It is.

1102
00:48:17.760 --> 00:48:21.480
Like, and they've given him something to do, and he solves the

1103
00:48:21.480 --> 00:48:21.900
problem.

1104
00:48:21.960 --> 00:48:23.340
He solves the problem.

1105
00:48:23.400 --> 00:48:26.460
So, look, they've got all got their Windows CE phones here on the

1106
00:48:26.460 --> 00:48:29.820
table and then they're looking at them and watch the fucking

1107
00:48:29.820 --> 00:48:34.679
camera because this is such a boring scene, but the camera never

1108
00:48:34.679 --> 00:48:36.420
ever, ever stops moving.

1109
00:48:36.420 --> 00:48:39.300
And it keeps going around them as if...

1110
00:48:39.300 --> 00:48:40.559
It's going quite slowly, though.

1111
00:48:40.619 --> 00:48:45.179
You complained in discovery when there was much less movement than

1112
00:48:45.179 --> 00:48:45.480
that.

1113
00:48:45.539 --> 00:48:49.139
Why is the camera going around and around this boring scene?

1114
00:48:49.199 --> 00:48:50.760
Yeah, like you would do that.

1115
00:48:50.820 --> 00:48:51.480
That's why.

1116
00:48:51.480 --> 00:48:52.559
That's why.

1117
00:48:52.619 --> 00:48:53.280
That's the.

1118
00:48:53.340 --> 00:48:55.199
But you do that, don't you?

1119
00:48:55.260 --> 00:48:58.739
Like, if they're interacting between one another quickly and if

1120
00:48:58.739 --> 00:49:01.500
there's a lot going on and there's urgency.

1121
00:49:01.559 --> 00:49:02.639
Why you doing it here?

1122
00:49:02.699 --> 00:49:05.639
I know it means that we're not doing over over 2 shot.

1123
00:49:05.699 --> 00:49:07.260
It is a little bit more interesting and stuff.

1124
00:49:07.320 --> 00:49:08.940
Oh, actually, well, you're very strange.

1125
00:49:09.000 --> 00:49:10.440
But he's not.

1126
00:49:10.500 --> 00:49:11.880
He's not going round and around.

1127
00:49:11.940 --> 00:49:13.320
He keeps resetting the camera.

1128
00:49:13.320 --> 00:49:14.639
I'm starting again.

1129
00:49:14.699 --> 00:49:16.019
So it looks even more.

1130
00:49:16.019 --> 00:49:17.219
What are we doing?

1131
00:49:19.559 --> 00:49:23.159
This is, I'll tell you what, this is the road to hell.

1132
00:49:23.219 --> 00:49:25.619
The path to discovery.

1133
00:49:25.920 --> 00:49:29.940
No, but discovery, you know, there's some urgency.

1134
00:49:30.000 --> 00:49:32.880
It's not we're all standing around reading the rules.

1135
00:49:33.179 --> 00:49:36.840
Are you trying to suggest that Discovery is all so uninteresting

1136
00:49:36.840 --> 00:49:39.300
that they have to zoom around the rooms all the time?

1137
00:49:39.960 --> 00:49:42.719
That is not a gauge of quality.

1138
00:49:42.780 --> 00:49:43.380
All right?

1139
00:49:43.440 --> 00:49:44.820
saying it's better than this.

1140
00:49:45.300 --> 00:49:46.679
Yes.

1141
00:49:46.739 --> 00:49:47.880
Oh, my God.

1142
00:49:47.940 --> 00:49:49.739
Look at these gloves that they're wearing.

1143
00:49:49.980 --> 00:49:52.500
They look so lightweight.

1144
00:49:52.559 --> 00:49:58.380
Like, like, in the code of honour, they're burnished gold, method.

1145
00:49:58.440 --> 00:49:58.860
Yeah, yeah.

1146
00:49:58.920 --> 00:50:01.800
Well, they look a bit like tinfoil, but they go for it.

1147
00:50:01.920 --> 00:50:06.599
And they've got these enormous spikes that you got hit with that

1148
00:50:06.599 --> 00:50:06.960
thing.

1149
00:50:07.019 --> 00:50:09.360
You're going down and they're poison tipped as well.

1150
00:50:09.420 --> 00:50:11.460
No, but these are defensive.

1151
00:50:11.519 --> 00:50:14.159
You're supposed to be hitting the face with the ice pick or

1152
00:50:14.159 --> 00:50:16.079
whatever it is, the ice scraper.

1153
00:50:16.139 --> 00:50:17.039
What's that?

1154
00:50:17.099 --> 00:50:18.239
I don't even know what it's for.

1155
00:50:18.300 --> 00:50:19.079
It's terrible.

1156
00:50:19.139 --> 00:50:20.579
Absolute.

1157
00:50:20.639 --> 00:50:21.840
They look like bloody trumpets.

1158
00:50:24.840 --> 00:50:26.340
All right.

1159
00:50:26.400 --> 00:50:28.559
So we've established... you get one on both hands?

1160
00:50:28.619 --> 00:50:31.079
Oh, I see, because you've got the ice cream, you've got your

1161
00:50:31.079 --> 00:50:32.099
thing.

1162
00:50:32.159 --> 00:50:36.719
And see, again, you know, like, again, he's saying, I'm, I have to

1163
00:50:36.719 --> 00:50:39.539
do this, but I respect you and, you know, you're doing the right

1164
00:50:39.539 --> 00:50:43.260
thing because he's making it possible for the alliance to continue

1165
00:50:43.260 --> 00:50:47.219
because trans determined to be a prick about it.

1166
00:50:47.519 --> 00:50:51.659
Stupid bloody rule of having them tie it together.

1167
00:50:51.719 --> 00:50:56.099
So ridiculous. so that he can unexpectedly choke him with it.

1168
00:50:56.460 --> 00:50:58.260
Just terrible.

1169
00:50:58.260 --> 00:50:59.340
And so no one can run away.

1170
00:50:59.400 --> 00:51:02.760
Oh, because actually, no, I saw some stuntmen in there for a

1171
00:51:02.760 --> 00:51:03.119
second.

1172
00:51:03.119 --> 00:51:04.260
There are some men in there.

1173
00:51:04.320 --> 00:51:06.000
During the more dynamic moments.

1174
00:51:06.059 --> 00:51:07.380
Yeah, yeah, there definitely are.

1175
00:51:07.440 --> 00:51:09.960
Sorry, Geoffrey, you're much better a bit.

1176
00:51:09.960 --> 00:51:11.880
Yeah, you know, over on PS9.

1177
00:51:13.079 --> 00:51:16.079
So I'm mincing your way into rooms.

1178
00:51:16.139 --> 00:51:17.760
You're much more accomplished at that.

1179
00:51:19.440 --> 00:51:22.739
I'm just trying to make you look good in front of your soldiers.

1180
00:51:22.800 --> 00:51:26.280
Can you feel the testosterone in the room right now?

1181
00:51:26.340 --> 00:51:30.659
everyone's just standing around in this tiny set as well.

1182
00:51:31.139 --> 00:51:33.059
Oh, I do like that.

1183
00:51:33.119 --> 00:51:34.559
I forgot that there was a bit of blood.

1184
00:51:34.619 --> 00:51:35.820
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1185
00:51:35.940 --> 00:51:36.659
You know.

1186
00:51:36.719 --> 00:51:40.199
Please don't do a close-up on Shroud in HD that I can see as flaky

1187
00:51:40.199 --> 00:51:40.500
makeup.

1188
00:51:40.619 --> 00:51:44.039
Or the neck, like the neck, skin on his neck.

1189
00:51:46.980 --> 00:51:49.079
Scott, calm down.

1190
00:51:49.139 --> 00:51:52.079
I can't breathe But that's not skin.

1191
00:51:52.139 --> 00:51:52.800
That's later.

1192
00:51:53.639 --> 00:51:59.159
Oh, no, there you go. out to the end break and then we just cut

1193
00:51:59.159 --> 00:52:00.239
the thing off.

1194
00:52:00.300 --> 00:52:02.579
I mean shouldn't he have killed him?

1195
00:52:02.639 --> 00:52:04.139
Why did he just chop his antenna off?

1196
00:52:04.199 --> 00:52:06.719
Well, because he doesn't want to kill him because if he kills

1197
00:52:06.719 --> 00:52:08.460
Shran, what happens?

1198
00:52:08.519 --> 00:52:09.840
That was the thing.

1199
00:52:09.900 --> 00:52:11.400
Archer had to die.

1200
00:52:11.460 --> 00:52:14.400
If he kills Shran, then the Andorians will all fuck off and not

1201
00:52:14.400 --> 00:52:17.940
join in the thing and then they can't detect the drone.

1202
00:52:18.059 --> 00:52:22.500
Unfortunately, now he's got half an antennae and that's still

1203
00:52:22.500 --> 00:52:23.159
wiggling.

1204
00:52:23.219 --> 00:52:25.500
It looks even more ridiculous.

1205
00:52:25.619 --> 00:52:28.500
And that will be all there next week as well.

1206
00:52:28.559 --> 00:52:30.780
Oh, boy, 0 boy.

1207
00:52:30.840 --> 00:52:31.619
Does he grow it back then?

1208
00:52:31.739 --> 00:52:35.400
Well, that's what we discover it takes, but it takes 9 months to

1209
00:52:35.400 --> 00:52:38.460
grow back, although the doctor says he could make it happen in 4.5

1210
00:52:38.460 --> 00:52:38.760
months.

1211
00:52:38.820 --> 00:52:42.119
Dr. Beverly could have done it in the ad break, all right, with

1212
00:52:42.119 --> 00:52:42.900
her usual skill.

1213
00:52:42.960 --> 00:52:44.280
The final ad break.

1214
00:52:47.340 --> 00:52:49.980
Quick when he came to McBadden just for one scene.

1215
00:52:50.400 --> 00:52:52.139
Oh, boy.

1216
00:52:52.199 --> 00:52:54.780
Look, it's got a little sort of plaster on the end of it as well.

1217
00:52:54.840 --> 00:52:55.980
Very cute.

1218
00:52:56.099 --> 00:52:59.340
So some people would say, I'm not taking this episode too

1219
00:52:59.340 --> 00:52:59.820
seriously.

1220
00:53:00.300 --> 00:53:03.539
I mean, it's just so cliche.

1221
00:53:03.599 --> 00:53:06.900
Like, there is something good about it and Shran is the best

1222
00:53:06.900 --> 00:53:11.699
character in the episode as always, but it is just sort of usual

1223
00:53:11.760 --> 00:53:13.260
wasting crime.

1224
00:53:13.320 --> 00:53:15.119
This was the point.

1225
00:53:15.179 --> 00:53:16.860
So the ships start coming in, yeah.

1226
00:53:16.920 --> 00:53:20.340
And I was just so aware of the plotty direction.

1227
00:53:20.460 --> 00:53:27.539
And it took me back to Azati Prime, where we were swinging around

1228
00:53:27.539 --> 00:53:28.199
that ship.

1229
00:53:28.260 --> 00:53:29.579
There was people.

1230
00:53:29.579 --> 00:53:33.059
I mean, we didn't like it, but there was people in flames. were

1231
00:53:33.059 --> 00:53:34.920
coming down the bloody ceiling fell in.

1232
00:53:35.400 --> 00:53:38.280
I was like, oh, why are we doing this?

1233
00:53:38.340 --> 00:53:40.019
It's because it's David Livingston.

1234
00:53:40.079 --> 00:53:40.679
He's given up.

1235
00:53:40.739 --> 00:53:42.239
Yeah, I think you're right.

1236
00:53:42.300 --> 00:53:47.340
He was so exhausted by planning that very boring scene with Ocean

1237
00:53:47.340 --> 00:53:50.099
and Travis. moving the camera around.

1238
00:53:50.159 --> 00:53:51.659
He'd run out of feet today.

1239
00:53:51.719 --> 00:53:53.880
Oh my god, I've got a great idea to suit this up.

1240
00:53:55.440 --> 00:53:58.619
Can you put a camera on a pendulum, right?

1241
00:53:58.679 --> 00:53:59.099
There we go.

1242
00:54:01.679 --> 00:54:03.659
Yeah, see, that's great.

1243
00:54:03.719 --> 00:54:04.679
Now it's a Vulcan ship.

1244
00:54:05.099 --> 00:54:09.659
Also, as well, I was very aware as well that the music just was

1245
00:54:09.659 --> 00:54:11.280
not doing it in this scene.

1246
00:54:11.340 --> 00:54:15.840
And occasionally, they bring in drums and things like that in

1247
00:54:15.840 --> 00:54:16.440
enterprise.

1248
00:54:16.500 --> 00:54:20.639
The music was not all bad this episode, but I don't think they

1249
00:54:20.639 --> 00:54:22.440
managed to land this cliffhanger.

1250
00:54:22.500 --> 00:54:26.460
Well, it's not quite the cliffhanger because it is, this scene

1251
00:54:26.460 --> 00:54:28.260
this, some plot resolves itself, doesn't it?

1252
00:54:28.320 --> 00:54:31.079
We go off and do something different next next week.

1253
00:54:31.139 --> 00:54:32.519
I just think as well.

1254
00:54:32.579 --> 00:54:36.119
I know you said that like you found some dramatic interest in them

1255
00:54:36.119 --> 00:54:37.320
talking over the intercom.

1256
00:54:37.380 --> 00:54:40.440
Just keeping the Romulans away from the main action.

1257
00:54:40.500 --> 00:54:42.480
It's just so boring.

1258
00:54:42.539 --> 00:54:45.059
It's like, how can they make an impact?

1259
00:54:45.360 --> 00:54:48.300
I just, I don't...

1260
00:54:48.360 --> 00:54:51.539
But but I think it is, it is the toy box.

1261
00:54:51.599 --> 00:54:52.320
Do you know what I mean?

1262
00:54:52.380 --> 00:54:55.320
The TOS toy box where we have to get all our action figures out

1263
00:54:55.320 --> 00:54:58.679
and have them all involved in this sort of seminal moment.

1264
00:54:58.739 --> 00:55:02.760
Like, I think it's a good decision. much better versions of this

1265
00:55:02.760 --> 00:55:03.960
though, elsewhere this season.

1266
00:55:04.019 --> 00:55:08.340
You know, the the toy box they got out in that alternative

1267
00:55:08.340 --> 00:55:11.280
universe, 2 parts, the folian web, the gorn.

1268
00:55:11.639 --> 00:55:12.719
Yeah, yeah, come on.

1269
00:55:12.780 --> 00:55:13.679
That was pretty great.

1270
00:55:13.739 --> 00:55:16.199
And they were, because we were in the alternative universe.

1271
00:55:16.260 --> 00:55:18.119
They absolutely were part of the main action.

1272
00:55:18.179 --> 00:55:19.260
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1273
00:55:20.400 --> 00:55:23.579
Take the emissions out, don't puncture the whole.

1274
00:55:23.639 --> 00:55:25.980
Zoom, zoom, fire, fire.

1275
00:55:26.039 --> 00:55:26.460
Yeah.

1276
00:55:27.000 --> 00:55:30.179
I mean, it's it's sort of strange, isn't it?

1277
00:55:30.239 --> 00:55:34.380
Because you want this to set up, um, like, I think this is the

1278
00:55:34.380 --> 00:55:37.559
closest it gets to setting up the Federation, don't you think?

1279
00:55:37.619 --> 00:55:41.940
I mean, there's that terrible conference, the 2 part, the real 2

1280
00:55:41.940 --> 00:55:43.559
part finale for Enterprise.

1281
00:55:43.619 --> 00:55:45.300
Oh, the pitches on the walls.

1282
00:55:45.360 --> 00:55:46.019
Do you remember?

1283
00:55:46.800 --> 00:55:52.559
And some weird hotel that I went to share. yeah Conference room.

1284
00:55:52.619 --> 00:55:53.219
Terrible.

1285
00:55:53.280 --> 00:55:55.500
Well, no, we actually saw it, didn't we?

1286
00:55:55.559 --> 00:55:58.860
in flash forwards or flashback.

1287
00:55:58.920 --> 00:55:59.880
Yeah, yeah.

1288
00:55:59.940 --> 00:56:02.159
I still not entirely sure in the last episode.

1289
00:56:02.280 --> 00:56:03.659
We did see it in the last episode.

1290
00:56:03.719 --> 00:56:07.079
But it was always going to be a flash forward because this is said

1291
00:56:07.079 --> 00:56:11.159
in 2154 and the Federation is founded in 2161.

1292
00:56:11.639 --> 00:56:13.739
I do like this spinning ship.

1293
00:56:14.519 --> 00:56:17.880
I think they take that from Babel one.

1294
00:56:18.000 --> 00:56:19.619
Oh really?

1295
00:56:19.679 --> 00:56:23.280
Yeah, I think it's a, it's like the... the...

1296
00:56:23.280 --> 00:56:25.440
It's sort of a precursor to Discovery, isn't it?

1297
00:56:25.500 --> 00:56:27.599
Do it a little spin and then popping off.

1298
00:56:27.659 --> 00:56:28.139
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1299
00:56:28.199 --> 00:56:28.980
I think it looks really cool.

1300
00:56:29.039 --> 00:56:29.880
I think it is cool.

1301
00:56:29.940 --> 00:56:32.219
But yeah, they have difficulty tracking the...

1302
00:56:32.280 --> 00:56:33.840
The camera, we're in an action sequence.

1303
00:56:33.900 --> 00:56:34.860
The camera's not moving.

1304
00:56:34.920 --> 00:56:39.179
So, like, just we're all just standing around the centre.

1305
00:56:39.239 --> 00:56:41.579
No one's even like throwing themselves about the set like they

1306
00:56:41.579 --> 00:56:42.539
wouldn't tear off.

1307
00:56:42.599 --> 00:56:43.619
Yep, yeah.

1308
00:56:43.679 --> 00:56:46.619
Yeah, take the cameras more mobile.

1309
00:56:46.679 --> 00:56:51.599
God, that Romulan's wearing a lot of makeup, isn't he, the Romulan

1310
00:56:51.599 --> 00:56:52.199
scientist?

1311
00:56:52.260 --> 00:56:54.300
We go jumping out into space.

1312
00:56:54.360 --> 00:56:58.199
I suppose that's something, I suppose, although we did do that the

1313
00:56:58.199 --> 00:57:00.840
other week in minefields.

1314
00:57:00.900 --> 00:57:02.699
Well, that was a while ago.

1315
00:57:02.699 --> 00:57:03.900
Kind of 2 years ago.

1316
00:57:04.260 --> 00:57:07.679
Oh, it was only a month ago for us, though.

1317
00:57:08.579 --> 00:57:17.880
Longer than that. 20 seconds to warp, my God, we've got company

1318
00:57:17.880 --> 00:57:18.599
alliance ships.

1319
00:57:18.659 --> 00:57:19.559
Tell them not to fire.

1320
00:57:19.619 --> 00:57:22.500
I mean, the script's trying to do some work to make it exciting.

1321
00:57:22.559 --> 00:57:23.219
Yeah, yeah.

1322
00:57:23.280 --> 00:57:23.940
Oh, look, the camera.

1323
00:57:24.000 --> 00:57:25.139
We had a whip pan across there.

1324
00:57:25.199 --> 00:57:26.099
You've noticed that?

1325
00:57:26.159 --> 00:57:26.639
That was something.

1326
00:57:26.699 --> 00:57:30.719
Oh my god, a whole flotilla of ships emerging around them flying

1327
00:57:30.719 --> 00:57:31.139
in space.

1328
00:57:31.199 --> 00:57:36.059
And in fact, there is an important thing there, isn't it?

1329
00:57:36.119 --> 00:57:41.940
Because it's the, it's Vulcan and Dorian and Tellorite chips. and

1330
00:57:41.940 --> 00:57:46.679
we'll see them out the window later to establish this new alliance

1331
00:57:46.679 --> 00:57:50.579
that we're forming, the united of the title.

1332
00:57:50.699 --> 00:57:53.820
Just as a paste bit of television, yeah.

1333
00:57:53.880 --> 00:57:58.679
You cannot have 35 minutes of nothing happening.

1334
00:57:58.679 --> 00:58:01.920
And then 2.5 minutes of go, go, go.

1335
00:58:01.980 --> 00:58:04.920
And the space strips firing, flotillas appearing.

1336
00:58:04.980 --> 00:58:07.559
You'd be like, why don't you stagger this stuff from the episode?

1337
00:58:07.800 --> 00:58:09.719
That's a pretty good.

1338
00:58:09.780 --> 00:58:11.760
No, you want a sort of climax.

1339
00:58:11.820 --> 00:58:12.360
That's all right.

1340
00:58:12.420 --> 00:58:14.639
With enterprise sort of flying into shot.

1341
00:58:14.699 --> 00:58:17.940
No, so this scene here, which is just men bantering with each

1342
00:58:17.940 --> 00:58:22.139
other in a way that I just think is unpleasant.

1343
00:58:22.199 --> 00:58:27.420
Like, and it does make, and it makes Tripp seem like an asshole.

1344
00:58:28.260 --> 00:58:31.619
No, I mean, they were doing that in series one, weren't they?

1345
00:58:31.679 --> 00:58:34.320
Well, I'm not going to be...

1346
00:58:34.320 --> 00:58:35.519
Blah, blah, blah.

1347
00:58:35.639 --> 00:58:37.800
Like, it's just putting you on report.

1348
00:58:37.860 --> 00:58:39.659
And look, I saved your life.

1349
00:58:39.719 --> 00:58:42.539
Yeah, yeah, yeah. disobeyed a direct order, you know.

1350
00:58:42.599 --> 00:58:43.860
Yeah.

1351
00:58:43.920 --> 00:58:44.699
Yeah.

1352
00:58:44.760 --> 00:58:45.840
Oh, God.

1353
00:58:45.900 --> 00:58:49.320
No, but jeez, he's got such a lovely smile.

1354
00:58:49.380 --> 00:58:50.099
It's so pretty.

1355
00:58:50.159 --> 00:58:53.940
He's so pretty, but it's just like, it's, that's just locker room

1356
00:58:53.940 --> 00:58:57.840
literally in a locker room, doing banter, and it's just, that's

1357
00:58:57.840 --> 00:58:58.559
what they think is funny.

1358
00:58:58.679 --> 00:59:01.199
It's like they can't be just not for us, though.

1359
00:59:01.260 --> 00:59:03.420
Maybe we need to get straight back.

1360
00:59:03.480 --> 00:59:05.699
Maybe it's entertainment for dumb people.

1361
00:59:05.820 --> 00:59:08.159
Like, it just strikes me.

1362
00:59:08.159 --> 00:59:10.079
Like, see that shot out the window.

1363
00:59:10.139 --> 00:59:10.980
I think is really great.

1364
00:59:11.039 --> 00:59:13.800
No, it's just like, it's just mean banter.

1365
00:59:13.860 --> 00:59:15.119
There's no wit involved.

1366
00:59:15.179 --> 00:59:16.199
No one's clever.

1367
00:59:16.260 --> 00:59:18.480
Do you see that teller right there?

1368
00:59:18.539 --> 00:59:20.039
I think he shampooed his hair.

1369
00:59:20.099 --> 00:59:21.960
How lustrous does his hair rack?

1370
00:59:22.019 --> 00:59:22.800
It looks great.

1371
00:59:22.860 --> 00:59:28.320
I thought it was a woman for a second. show us a teller I want to

1372
00:59:28.320 --> 00:59:28.619
play.

1373
00:59:28.679 --> 00:59:29.460
Tell her out with him.

1374
00:59:30.420 --> 00:59:32.519
I don't look like that, do they?

1375
00:59:32.579 --> 00:59:33.840
I can't remember.

1376
00:59:33.900 --> 00:59:35.340
Oh boy.

1377
00:59:35.400 --> 00:59:37.920
The makeup changes quite a lot with Tellerites.

1378
00:59:38.039 --> 00:59:38.639
It's a thing.

1379
00:59:38.699 --> 00:59:40.139
Why is Jolene in the scene?

1380
00:59:40.199 --> 00:59:41.099
She doesn't have a line.

1381
00:59:41.219 --> 00:59:43.980
She just stands there looking decorous.

1382
00:59:44.039 --> 00:59:45.059
Yeah.

1383
00:59:45.119 --> 00:59:47.579
Well, she's decorative.

1384
00:59:47.639 --> 00:59:50.099
I do always love these out the window shots, you know?

1385
00:59:50.159 --> 00:59:51.300
Yeah, yeah, coming out.

1386
00:59:51.360 --> 00:59:51.960
That's really good.

1387
00:59:52.019 --> 00:59:54.900
But out the window and they're all those ships together at last

1388
00:59:54.900 --> 00:59:55.619
united.

1389
00:59:55.679 --> 00:59:56.639
Like, that's the thing.

1390
00:59:56.699 --> 00:59:59.099
And there's a great moment actually in the next episode.

1391
00:59:59.159 --> 01:00:00.719
Oh, look at that, Nathan.

1392
01:00:00.780 --> 01:00:01.619
Yeah, it's not good.

1393
01:00:01.679 --> 01:00:03.300
That pan in on the city.

1394
01:00:03.360 --> 01:00:07.679
That's great But to be fair, the only moments I've truly praised

1395
01:00:07.679 --> 01:00:10.199
our CGI special effect shots in this.

1396
01:00:10.380 --> 01:00:15.059
There's a thing that a Romulan senator comes in and complains next

1397
01:00:15.059 --> 01:00:18.360
week that actually all they've managed to achieve so far is

1398
01:00:18.360 --> 01:00:22.260
getting the Andorians and Tellorites to work together, which is

1399
01:00:22.260 --> 01:00:25.320
literally the opposite of what they were trying to achieve.

1400
01:00:25.380 --> 01:00:28.380
Do you know what I would have ended this on?

1401
01:00:28.440 --> 01:00:32.400
Because, like, I had such a nonplus reaction to that helmet coming

1402
01:00:32.400 --> 01:00:32.880
off.

1403
01:00:32.940 --> 01:00:35.099
I would have ended it on the shot of the ships.

1404
01:00:35.159 --> 01:00:36.960
I done a hopeful cliffhanger for once.

1405
01:00:37.019 --> 01:00:41.519
No, so I think that the episode ends with that shot on the ships

1406
01:00:41.519 --> 01:00:46.440
and then this is our, you know, let's go back and see the Romulans

1407
01:00:46.440 --> 01:00:48.480
and motivate the next episode.

1408
01:00:48.539 --> 01:00:50.280
So I think that it does end.

1409
01:00:50.400 --> 01:00:54.480
You know, that episode ends properly in a good way and then just

1410
01:00:54.480 --> 01:00:57.900
has a final tag scene as a teaser for the next week.

1411
01:00:57.960 --> 01:01:00.840
And I think that's a perfectly reasonable way of doing it.

1412
01:01:00.900 --> 01:01:04.199
And it is a cliffhanger where it's like, wait, what?

1413
01:01:04.320 --> 01:01:07.139
What have I just seen?

1414
01:01:07.320 --> 01:01:09.780
And that's how the episode begins.

1415
01:01:09.840 --> 01:01:13.559
What are, you know, like he's an Andorian, but he's white rather

1416
01:01:13.559 --> 01:01:14.280
than blue.

1417
01:01:14.340 --> 01:01:16.860
He's blind, you know, what is it with that?

1418
01:01:16.920 --> 01:01:20.219
And then we discover, you know, what that is.

1419
01:01:20.940 --> 01:01:25.619
Maybe again, you know, I said it at the start, I'll say it at the

1420
01:01:25.619 --> 01:01:28.260
end, I'm coming in in the middle.

1421
01:01:28.320 --> 01:01:31.619
So I'm just not getting the importance of any of it.

1422
01:01:31.679 --> 01:01:32.760
And, you know, who does this?

1423
01:01:32.820 --> 01:01:36.000
Like, I don't think anybody, when this went out, would just

1424
01:01:36.000 --> 01:01:38.699
randomly watch one episode that is, well, maybe they would

1425
01:01:38.699 --> 01:01:39.000
actually.

1426
01:01:39.059 --> 01:01:40.380
Maybe that's why nobody was watching.

1427
01:01:40.440 --> 01:01:43.860
I mean, that's the problem.

1428
01:01:43.920 --> 01:01:48.599
I think with series 4 that I think generally series 4 gets the

1429
01:01:48.599 --> 01:01:54.539
nearly gets the, um, it nearly gets the serialisation right.

1430
01:01:54.599 --> 01:01:58.980
And here, for instance, giving us a story that ends and then

1431
01:01:58.980 --> 01:02:01.440
having a cliffhanger to launch into the next episode.

1432
01:02:01.500 --> 01:02:02.099
That's good.

1433
01:02:02.159 --> 01:02:05.519
So we feel like we've achieved something by watching this

1434
01:02:05.519 --> 01:02:05.940
episode.

1435
01:02:06.000 --> 01:02:10.920
But generally speaking, when you tune in for a 3rd of a thing, do

1436
01:02:10.920 --> 01:02:11.460
you know what I mean?

1437
01:02:11.519 --> 01:02:13.860
Like that's not. that's not that satisfying.

1438
01:02:13.920 --> 01:02:17.639
And it's not what they've been delivering. for 15 odd years, is

1439
01:02:17.639 --> 01:02:17.940
it?

1440
01:02:18.000 --> 01:02:18.360
right.

1441
01:02:18.420 --> 01:02:22.619
But we, I mean, we have the same problem tuning into an episode of

1442
01:02:22.619 --> 01:02:29.940
Discovery or an episode of Picard as well. season-long arc, because

1443
01:02:29.940 --> 01:02:31.920
they're season-long arcs rather than 3 weeks.

1444
01:02:31.980 --> 01:02:34.739
We've never struggled more than when we did that Picard series 2

1445
01:02:34.739 --> 01:02:37.320
episode recently where I was like, where the hell am I in this

1446
01:02:37.320 --> 01:02:37.559
thing?

1447
01:02:37.619 --> 01:02:38.880
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1448
01:02:38.940 --> 01:02:39.659
Yeah.

1449
01:02:39.719 --> 01:02:41.760
So like you're in the middle of a thing.

1450
01:02:41.820 --> 01:02:44.280
So it is kind of understandable.

1451
01:02:44.340 --> 01:02:47.400
I think the problem here isn't that we're watching a 3rd of a

1452
01:02:47.400 --> 01:02:47.820
thing, though.

1453
01:02:47.880 --> 01:02:51.719
It's just that it's too fairly kind of by the numbers plots

1454
01:02:51.719 --> 01:02:52.980
really.

1455
01:02:53.039 --> 01:02:56.280
Oh, it is the midest mid I think we've done in some time.

1456
01:02:56.340 --> 01:03:00.000
And you know, I said to you, like, I don't think my heart raced

1457
01:03:00.000 --> 01:03:01.019
once.

1458
01:03:01.079 --> 01:03:05.340
And my heart can race for Star Trek in many, many ways, yeah?

1459
01:03:05.400 --> 01:03:08.159
Whether it's an outstanding performance, whether it's a shock

1460
01:03:08.159 --> 01:03:11.159
moment, you know, whether it's a terrific piece of writing, whether

1461
01:03:11.159 --> 01:03:15.539
it's, you know, a truly ghastly, embarrassing slice of television

1462
01:03:15.539 --> 01:03:19.500
but this wasn't even that, it was perfectly competent television.

1463
01:03:19.559 --> 01:03:22.980
It would absolutely, you know, if you were going around with a

1464
01:03:22.980 --> 01:03:26.219
clipboard and it would, you'd be able to tick off every part of it

1465
01:03:26.219 --> 01:03:30.239
without ever sort of giving it more than 5 out of 10.

1466
01:03:30.420 --> 01:03:33.179
I have to say that I didn't hate it.

1467
01:03:33.239 --> 01:03:36.239
And I did watch all 3 episodes and I had quite a good time.

1468
01:03:36.300 --> 01:03:42.300
But when I compare that to my reaction to watching the Keshara 3

1469
01:03:42.300 --> 01:03:45.360
parter, which I thought was just vastly better and more

1470
01:03:45.360 --> 01:03:49.139
interesting than this or the mirror darkly 2 parter.

1471
01:03:49.199 --> 01:03:50.579
Now the augments one.

1472
01:03:50.639 --> 01:03:51.840
I don't know if you remember.

1473
01:03:51.900 --> 01:03:52.619
Have you seen the three?

1474
01:03:52.619 --> 01:03:53.760
Yeah.

1475
01:03:53.820 --> 01:03:57.659
So in the middle episode, they put they, I think, cleverly put in

1476
01:03:57.659 --> 01:04:00.539
the most striking moment where the man is tortured.

1477
01:04:00.599 --> 01:04:04.739
And yeah, and it's unforgettable. there was something like that

1478
01:04:04.739 --> 01:04:05.039
here.

1479
01:04:05.099 --> 01:04:08.579
At least you'd come away with like something to remember.

1480
01:04:08.639 --> 01:04:11.159
I won't remember this in years to come when I look back on

1481
01:04:11.159 --> 01:04:15.000
untitled Star Trek project, the completed project of all 5000000

1482
01:04:15.000 --> 01:04:18.300
episodes that we do and go, God, you remember United.

1483
01:04:18.360 --> 01:04:19.679
What a banger, yeah.

1484
01:04:19.739 --> 01:04:21.539
Yeah, yeah.

1485
01:04:21.599 --> 01:04:23.460
I'm pretty confident that won't happen.

1486
01:04:29.760 --> 01:04:34.079
All right, it's the end of the episode and it is time for us to

1487
01:04:34.079 --> 01:04:36.420
work out where we're going next.

1488
01:04:36.480 --> 01:04:40.500
Naturally enterprise was my choice as always.

1489
01:04:40.559 --> 01:04:46.380
I don't think you've ever willingly chosen it, Joe. So that means

1490
01:04:46.380 --> 01:04:50.039
we're going somewhere else and perhaps you would like to tell us

1491
01:04:50.039 --> 01:04:52.500
which series we're picking this time.

1492
01:04:52.679 --> 01:04:56.159
Why don't you tell me which series we're picking this time?

1493
01:04:56.400 --> 01:04:59.039
No, not this time, no.

1494
01:04:59.099 --> 01:05:00.420
No, no, no, no.

1495
01:05:00.480 --> 01:05:04.079
Well, we did a superb episode of Kersman Trek, which we thoroughly

1496
01:05:04.079 --> 01:05:09.960
enjoyed, and then just a very average episode... of Enterprise.

1497
01:05:10.019 --> 01:05:12.780
So, you know, me, I never want to stray too far from the 90s.

1498
01:05:12.840 --> 01:05:16.440
So I put in all 3 of the 90s shows, minus Enterprise.

1499
01:05:16.500 --> 01:05:20.039
Okay, that sounds like a great...

1500
01:05:20.099 --> 01:05:22.980
We're sort of underrunning in percentage wise.

1501
01:05:23.039 --> 01:05:25.800
Whereas I'll never say no to TS9.

1502
01:05:25.980 --> 01:05:28.380
So, you know, let's see what happens.

1503
01:05:28.440 --> 01:05:29.519
Okay.

1504
01:05:30.000 --> 01:05:32.579
Oh, this is a no, I'm afraid.

1505
01:05:32.639 --> 01:05:35.280
We can't do all the season 7 episodes of Voyager.

1506
01:05:35.400 --> 01:05:37.500
We've got to cover...

1507
01:05:37.500 --> 01:05:39.599
Season seven, episode four, repression.

1508
01:05:40.139 --> 01:05:44.219
I think that's the one that's the one where they remember there

1509
01:05:44.219 --> 01:05:48.000
are marquee on the ship and someone's going around murdering them

1510
01:05:48.000 --> 01:05:48.179
all.

1511
01:05:48.480 --> 01:05:51.000
Do we bring back someone and kill them?

1512
01:05:51.059 --> 01:05:52.199
like Hogan or something?

1513
01:05:52.260 --> 01:05:53.400
Yeah, something like that.

1514
01:05:53.460 --> 01:05:56.880
And then Tuvox investigating the murder.

1515
01:05:56.880 --> 01:05:59.400
And then, of course, it turns out.

1516
01:05:59.460 --> 01:06:04.079
It was him and a Bajoran from the Alpha Quadrant is somehow

1517
01:06:04.079 --> 01:06:08.099
controlling Tuvok in the Delta Quadrant to kill all the marquee

1518
01:06:08.099 --> 01:06:08.400
members.

1519
01:06:08.460 --> 01:06:09.599
Okay, that sounds terrible.

1520
01:06:10.139 --> 01:06:13.019
And you spoiled it completely for me now.

1521
01:06:13.079 --> 01:06:14.699
Sorry about that.

1522
01:06:14.760 --> 01:06:17.340
Oh, fuck me. not doing this one either.

1523
01:06:17.400 --> 01:06:20.159
Sorry, it's been a while since I pressed the button a lot.

1524
01:06:20.219 --> 01:06:21.239
I'm going to do it today.

1525
01:06:21.360 --> 01:06:23.280
Season one of Voyager.

1526
01:06:23.400 --> 01:06:24.360
Cathexis.

1527
01:06:26.159 --> 01:06:29.519
That's the one where, uh, Chakotay has a spirit.

1528
01:06:29.519 --> 01:06:32.219
It's flying around the ship inhabiting people.

1529
01:06:32.280 --> 01:06:33.840
No, it's terrible.

1530
01:06:34.199 --> 01:06:36.300
Oh no, thank you.

1531
01:06:36.360 --> 01:06:38.340
I'm like, it's all duds I'm getting.

1532
01:06:38.400 --> 01:06:41.579
Your random Star Trek D Space 9 episode of season one, episode

1533
01:06:41.579 --> 01:06:42.780
four, A Man Alone.

1534
01:06:42.840 --> 01:06:44.519
It's the 1st proper dud.

1535
01:06:44.579 --> 01:06:45.420
Yeah, yeah.

1536
01:06:45.420 --> 01:06:46.079
Of DS9.

1537
01:06:46.440 --> 01:06:50.219
I mean, we will have to...

1538
01:06:51.300 --> 01:06:56.699
Your Adam Star Trek D Space 9 episode is a true classic.

1539
01:06:57.659 --> 01:07:02.039
Season two, episode 8 necessary evil.

1540
01:07:03.239 --> 01:07:05.940
Which is great.

1541
01:07:06.239 --> 01:07:09.300
But I don't know if we need to do a few mids.

1542
01:07:09.360 --> 01:07:10.380
Do you think?

1543
01:07:10.800 --> 01:07:12.420
I don't know.

1544
01:07:13.260 --> 01:07:15.900
No, I'll press it again. so sorry.

1545
01:07:15.960 --> 01:07:16.800
You're right.

1546
01:07:16.860 --> 01:07:17.460
Oh let's do this.

1547
01:07:17.519 --> 01:07:18.480
This will be fun.

1548
01:07:18.539 --> 01:07:22.320
It's mostly pretty terrible, but good, good.

1549
01:07:22.440 --> 01:07:24.239
But it's really fun.

1550
01:07:24.300 --> 01:07:27.480
Season two, episode 8 of Voyager.

1551
01:07:27.539 --> 01:07:29.099
Persistence of Vision.

1552
01:07:29.579 --> 01:07:35.099
It's the one where Carolyn Seymour turns up in Janeway's quarters

1553
01:07:35.099 --> 01:07:37.739
with a big knife going, we don't want more trouble.

1554
01:07:38.039 --> 01:07:39.420
Okay.

1555
01:07:39.480 --> 01:07:41.280
If Carolyn Seymour's in it.

1556
01:07:41.340 --> 01:07:42.300
I'm there.

1557
01:07:42.360 --> 01:07:43.139
She's awesome.

1558
01:07:43.199 --> 01:07:44.760
I didn't know she did Voyager.

1559
01:07:44.820 --> 01:07:49.079
I think B'lana and Shakotay fuck in this episode as well.

1560
01:07:49.199 --> 01:07:52.860
Well, in her head, because they're all having visions, obviously.

1561
01:07:52.980 --> 01:07:53.699
Right, right.

1562
01:07:53.760 --> 01:07:56.400
So latent attraction that...

1563
01:07:56.400 --> 01:07:57.659
Yeah, well, Lana has.

1564
01:07:57.719 --> 01:07:59.400
He's very handsome early on in the run.

1565
01:07:59.460 --> 01:08:00.719
What do you think?

1566
01:08:00.780 --> 01:08:04.139
It's a sort of like, you know, run of the mill. odd things are

1567
01:08:04.139 --> 01:08:04.440
happening.

1568
01:08:04.500 --> 01:08:05.159
I'm sure.

1569
01:08:05.219 --> 01:08:08.699
I mean, I can't guarantee it, but I'm sure Joe Manosky's in there

1570
01:08:08.699 --> 01:08:09.000
somewhere.

1571
01:08:09.420 --> 01:08:11.519
Possibly Brannan.

1572
01:08:11.579 --> 01:08:13.019
He likes a weird episode doesn't he?

1573
01:08:13.079 --> 01:08:15.179
Yeah, yeah, that's a bit Brennan-esque.

1574
01:08:15.239 --> 01:08:16.439
No, I'm up for it. absolutely.

1575
01:08:16.500 --> 01:08:16.979
Let's see that.

1576
01:08:17.039 --> 01:08:18.600
We do like season two, don't we?

1577
01:08:18.659 --> 01:08:19.140
We do.

1578
01:08:19.199 --> 01:08:19.979
Absolutely.

1579
01:08:20.039 --> 01:08:20.399
Okay.

1580
01:08:20.460 --> 01:08:32.159
Let's do it You've been listening to untitled Star Trek project

1581
01:08:32.159 --> 01:08:35.760
with Joe Ford and Nathan Bottomley, where online at untitled Star

1582
01:08:35.760 --> 01:08:38.880
Trek project.com, where you can find subscription links and links

1583
01:08:38.880 --> 01:08:40.140
to our social media accounts.

1584
01:08:40.199 --> 01:08:44.399
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Ciceran and the theme was composed

1585
01:08:44.399 --> 01:08:45.659
by Cameron Lamb.

1586
01:08:45.720 --> 01:08:49.739
This episode was recorded on the 5th of August 2025 and released

1587
01:08:49.739 --> 01:08:51.000
on the 8th of August.

1588
01:08:51.060 --> 01:08:54.720
We'll see you next time for Star Trek Voyager, Persistence of

1589
01:08:54.720 --> 01:08:55.079
Vision.

1590
01:09:13.140 --> 01:09:16.439
I do think, you know, Voyager is...

1591
01:09:16.439 --> 01:09:19.800
Hang on, let me check out the percentages.

1592
01:09:20.340 --> 01:09:22.619
Oh, where are they?

1593
01:09:22.979 --> 01:09:24.840
It's at the bottom.

1594
01:09:28.199 --> 01:09:31.079
Of course it is, of course it is coverage, yeah.

1595
01:09:31.140 --> 01:09:33.659
Uh, the percentage.

1596
01:09:33.720 --> 01:09:37.380
K. Voyager, Voyager, Voyager.

1597
01:09:37.439 --> 01:09:39.899
Yeah, so you probably just quite low, 17.26%.

1598
01:09:39.960 --> 01:09:41.460
It's 4 from the bottom.

1599
01:09:41.520 --> 01:09:43.800
Yeah, but do you know what's the bottom?

1600
01:09:43.859 --> 01:09:47.039
You complain all the time, but do you know what is at the bottom

1601
01:09:47.039 --> 01:09:49.560
the one that we've done least of?

1602
01:09:49.619 --> 01:09:52.619
I said, I've sat through 16 hours of this thing, all right?

1603
01:09:53.220 --> 01:09:55.079
Enterprise.

1604
01:09:55.140 --> 01:09:57.779
Why do you insist on her in me?

1605
01:09:57.840 --> 01:09:59.520
I thought you liked me.

1606
01:09:59.579 --> 01:10:02.760
Well, that hasn't included this week, so it's possible the

1607
01:10:02.760 --> 01:10:04.859
discovery is now in last play.

1608
01:10:04.920 --> 01:10:07.020
Maybe you should take us to Discovery next time.

1609
01:10:07.079 --> 01:10:08.760
Because that's very, very low.

1610
01:10:08.819 --> 01:10:10.680
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1611
01:10:10.739 --> 01:10:13.560
Yeah, but it's 11 out of 65 episodes.

1612
01:10:13.619 --> 01:10:15.600
Look, Australia World, so sad.

1613
01:10:15.659 --> 01:10:16.500
Third from the top.

1614
01:10:16.560 --> 01:10:19.500
Come on, bring more episodes out so we can watch another one.

1615
01:10:19.560 --> 01:10:23.159
Again, there will be another one out in 2 days and say the

1616
01:10:23.159 --> 01:10:24.359
percentage will go down.

1617
01:10:24.420 --> 01:10:28.739
Um, 955 episodes.

1618
01:10:28.800 --> 01:10:30.539
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1619
01:10:30.600 --> 01:10:32.579
It's going up every week. week too, of course.

1620
01:10:32.640 --> 01:10:36.239
Yeah, we're about to build the academy ones as well, wouldn't it?

1621
01:10:36.300 --> 01:10:36.779
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1622
01:10:36.840 --> 01:10:41.279
There will be 20 next year. 175 though.

1623
01:10:41.340 --> 01:10:43.319
It's good work, we've done that.

1624
01:10:43.380 --> 01:10:44.159
We're doing okay.

1625
01:10:44.220 --> 01:10:45.359
18%.

1626
01:10:45.420 --> 01:10:49.380
We're getting towards the massive a 5th of Star Trek.

1627
01:10:49.439 --> 01:10:50.640
It would be pretty incredible.

1628
01:10:50.760 --> 01:10:52.260
You think?

1629
01:10:52.319 --> 01:10:53.520
quite a lot.

1630
01:10:54.119 --> 01:10:58.140
Given that when I 1st broached the subject of you and me doing a

1631
01:10:58.140 --> 01:11:05.579
style shirt podcast and you went, well, you're 175 episodes deep

1632
01:11:05.579 --> 01:11:05.939
now.

1633
01:11:06.000 --> 01:11:07.199
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1634
01:11:07.260 --> 01:11:08.279
Well, it wasn't that.

1635
01:11:08.340 --> 01:11:12.600
It was, it was, it would have been going through deep say sign in

1636
01:11:12.600 --> 01:11:12.899
order.

1637
01:11:12.960 --> 01:11:13.800
Do you know what I mean?

1638
01:11:13.859 --> 01:11:17.340
Like, with heaven. would have been great, but it would also have

1639
01:11:17.340 --> 01:11:19.380
been kind of like the same thing every week.

1640
01:11:19.619 --> 01:11:24.000
Oh, no, the formal history, no, but still, do you know what I

1641
01:11:24.000 --> 01:11:24.180
mean?

1642
01:11:24.239 --> 01:11:25.619
Like, roughly the same thing.

1643
01:11:25.680 --> 01:11:29.399
Whereas now we get to do like shockingly terrible things and weird

1644
01:11:29.399 --> 01:11:33.000
things and things from a span of 60s.

1645
01:11:33.060 --> 01:11:35.039
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.

1646
01:11:35.100 --> 01:11:40.619
Well, also, as well, I just love the thing that apart from just

1647
01:11:40.619 --> 01:11:41.279
being with you.

1648
01:11:41.340 --> 01:11:47.939
The thing I love about this. is we get to compare and contrast

1649
01:11:47.939 --> 01:11:50.520
television over different decades.

1650
01:11:50.579 --> 01:11:53.279
And that means you can examine TV.

1651
01:11:53.279 --> 01:11:57.779
And sometimes, sometimes the stuff that comes earlier is getting

1652
01:11:57.779 --> 01:12:00.659
things right, and the stuff that comes up, does it?

1653
01:12:00.779 --> 01:12:01.859
It's really surprising.

1654
01:12:01.920 --> 01:12:07.859
So, yeah, that's it's, it's, I think it's honed whatever critique

1655
01:12:07.859 --> 01:12:10.439
ability I have of studying television.

1656
01:12:10.500 --> 01:12:13.800
I think doing it this way has honed it quite a bit.

1657
01:12:13.859 --> 01:12:16.380
I think it's same here.

1658
01:12:16.439 --> 01:12:19.920
And I think too, like I just know Star Trek so much better than I

1659
01:12:19.920 --> 01:12:20.579
did when I started.

1660
01:12:21.840 --> 01:12:27.600
You know, because you saw the thing, the last frontier, the fake

1661
01:12:27.600 --> 01:12:30.840
Star Trek from last week's Strange New World.

1662
01:12:30.960 --> 01:12:33.060
A brief clip.

1663
01:12:33.119 --> 01:12:34.079
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1664
01:12:34.140 --> 01:12:34.560
Yeah.

1665
01:12:34.619 --> 01:12:38.399
And like kind of the funny thing about that was that Star Trek

1666
01:12:38.399 --> 01:12:40.439
itself is so much better than that.

1667
01:12:40.500 --> 01:12:44.039
You know, like, like, it's in the past.

1668
01:12:44.039 --> 01:12:47.579
It's recognisably Star Trek and sometimes Star Trek is shit.

1669
01:12:47.640 --> 01:12:48.539
We've said it before.

1670
01:12:48.600 --> 01:12:52.260
Sometimes the original series is just massively incompetent in all

1671
01:12:52.260 --> 01:12:53.460
sorts of weird ways.

1672
01:12:53.520 --> 01:12:57.119
But at its best, it's so much better than it needed to be and so

1673
01:12:57.119 --> 01:13:00.000
much better than that and so much better than its kind of

1674
01:13:00.000 --> 01:13:01.020
reputation, I think.

1675
01:13:01.079 --> 01:13:04.079
I'm not entirely sure, you know, the best episode of the original

1676
01:13:04.079 --> 01:13:06.960
series ever isn't that Black Mirror episode, though.

1677
01:13:07.020 --> 01:13:08.880
Oh, that's so upsetting.

1678
01:13:08.880 --> 01:13:11.220
It's so upsetting.

1679
01:13:11.279 --> 01:13:15.359
Well, Black Mirror often was upsetting, but 0 man, he just got the

1680
01:13:15.359 --> 01:13:16.199
aesthetic.

1681
01:13:16.260 --> 01:13:18.479
The acting style, all of it.

1682
01:13:18.539 --> 01:13:19.920
Just perfect.

1683
01:13:19.979 --> 01:13:24.000
But yeah, the, the, it was kind of horrifying. horrible.

1684
01:13:24.060 --> 01:13:25.079
Yeah, yeah.

1685
01:13:25.859 --> 01:13:30.420
The bit where the she gets turned into a great big alien, doesn't

1686
01:13:30.420 --> 01:13:30.600
she?

1687
01:13:30.720 --> 01:13:31.800
Oh, God, remember.

1688
01:13:31.800 --> 01:13:34.619
The Yahura carrot against her.

1689
01:13:34.619 --> 01:13:39.000
I just watched it once and it was just like, I think that might be

1690
01:13:39.000 --> 01:13:40.500
as much as I can take of that.

1691
01:13:40.560 --> 01:13:43.800
Oh, it might be my favourite of the run, actually.

1692
01:13:43.920 --> 01:13:45.300
San Junipero.

1693
01:13:45.899 --> 01:13:48.239
That was a goodie.

1694
01:13:48.300 --> 01:13:51.000
I mean, I think the hit rate is great.

1695
01:13:51.060 --> 01:13:54.420
We watched the, so we finally finished the show.

1696
01:13:54.479 --> 01:13:55.979
My god, this is a miracle.

1697
01:13:56.039 --> 01:13:59.340
We watched the last episode of Inside, number nine.

1698
01:13:59.340 --> 01:14:00.600
Oh, yeah, yeah.

1699
01:14:00.659 --> 01:14:02.699
Did you watch the last series of that?

1700
01:14:02.760 --> 01:14:04.079
No, I've only watched the 1st episode.

1701
01:14:04.619 --> 01:14:08.880
It's like, how do you end this anthology show where you did so

1702
01:14:08.880 --> 01:14:11.760
many different things where you brought in so many incredible.

1703
01:14:11.819 --> 01:14:13.079
They had a roll call of actors.

1704
01:14:13.140 --> 01:14:15.899
And they, it was just perfect.

1705
01:14:15.960 --> 01:14:18.539
I was so ready to be disappointed.

1706
01:14:18.600 --> 01:14:26.039
And the last episode is the premiere of the last episode.

1707
01:14:26.100 --> 01:14:29.880
So that's where it's set with all of the actors that they've had

1708
01:14:29.880 --> 01:14:31.800
across the run playing themselves.

1709
01:14:32.220 --> 01:14:37.020
So it was a room full of the most extraordinary actors.

1710
01:14:37.079 --> 01:14:41.220
You know, just throw away shots of Sheridan Smith and Reed, you

1711
01:14:41.220 --> 01:14:43.020
know, all these wonderful actors.

1712
01:14:43.260 --> 01:14:50.159
And the premise of it was what happens when 2 actors that have

1713
01:14:50.159 --> 01:14:55.439
worked together for so long and a project comes to an end and one

1714
01:14:55.439 --> 01:14:59.399
potentially gets a very successful job.

1715
01:14:59.399 --> 01:15:02.220
And it was all about their relationship.

1716
01:15:02.340 --> 01:15:06.119
And I was just like, that's just perfect. given that they...

1717
01:15:06.180 --> 01:15:07.380
Who gets this existed job?

1718
01:15:08.039 --> 01:15:08.819
gets the job.

1719
01:15:08.939 --> 01:15:12.300
He gets a 7 year contract for a show in America.

1720
01:15:13.920 --> 01:15:18.359
And yeah, I was just like, wowsers, they're working out their

1721
01:15:18.359 --> 01:15:20.039
issues in the show.

1722
01:15:20.340 --> 01:15:24.239
It was really, really, and there was no big, the twist at the end

1723
01:15:24.239 --> 01:15:30.420
was, um, he hasn't get the job, and, um, and they, they continued

1724
01:15:30.420 --> 01:15:34.380
to do this terrible sounding project that they were going to do if

1725
01:15:34.380 --> 01:15:35.819
that didn't work out together.

1726
01:15:35.880 --> 01:15:37.979
And it's a nice heartwarming ending.

1727
01:15:38.039 --> 01:15:43.319
But there's an incredible sequence where the premiere, the

1728
01:15:43.319 --> 01:15:47.760
premiere of the episode happens, but there's a preview of the last

1729
01:15:47.760 --> 01:15:52.500
9 seasons of the show, like loads of clips, with time to say

1730
01:15:52.500 --> 01:15:56.640
goodbye, which is the song from the 12 Days of Christine, which I

1731
01:15:56.640 --> 01:15:59.399
think is the best episode of Inside Number 9 by a mile.

1732
01:16:00.119 --> 01:16:03.600
And it just cuts to all the different actors.

1733
01:16:03.600 --> 01:16:06.600
And it's as a celebration of the show and everything they did.

1734
01:16:06.659 --> 01:16:08.039
It was...

1735
01:16:08.039 --> 01:16:09.300
I had like goosies watching it.

1736
01:16:09.359 --> 01:16:12.659
I thought, yeah, bravo, encore.

1737
01:16:13.619 --> 01:16:18.720
And, oh, do you know what was so funny is Catherine Parkinson

1738
01:16:18.720 --> 01:16:18.899
right?

1739
01:16:18.960 --> 01:16:21.359
So you think at the start.

1740
01:16:21.420 --> 01:16:23.340
Do you remember the 1st one, sardines, where they all get into the

1741
01:16:23.340 --> 01:16:24.659
cupboard?

1742
01:16:24.720 --> 01:16:27.600
So it's the same characters coming into a toilet.

1743
01:16:27.659 --> 01:16:28.500
Cubicle.

1744
01:16:28.560 --> 01:16:31.560
I thought, oh, God, they're doing the same thing, but it's all the

1745
01:16:31.560 --> 01:16:34.079
actors that started stuck in...

1746
01:16:34.140 --> 01:16:37.920
And they're all going in to sniff a bit of cocaine.

1747
01:16:37.979 --> 01:16:40.979
And Catherine Parkinson comes in and Mark goes, that's not

1748
01:16:40.979 --> 01:16:41.640
Catherine Parkinson.

1749
01:16:41.699 --> 01:16:42.600
That a man rabbender.

1750
01:16:42.659 --> 01:16:44.579
I went, that's Catherine Parkinson.

1751
01:16:44.640 --> 01:16:46.859
We're arguing about it, right?

1752
01:16:46.920 --> 01:16:49.439
And then Amanda Abington walks into the toilet.

1753
01:16:50.760 --> 01:16:54.479
And he goes, he goes to Amanda Rabbington.

1754
01:16:54.539 --> 01:16:55.680
Oh, you're right, Catherine.

1755
01:16:55.739 --> 01:16:57.060
She goes, I know, I'm Catherine.

1756
01:16:57.119 --> 01:17:00.119
Because, oh, I thought you were Amanda Abington.

1757
01:17:00.180 --> 01:17:01.560
I was like, 0 my god.

1758
01:17:01.619 --> 01:17:04.140
This is perfect. brilliant. genius.

1759
01:17:04.199 --> 01:17:08.760
So funny. but the singer was and Reed comes in, sort of toddles

1760
01:17:08.760 --> 01:17:09.060
in.

1761
01:17:09.119 --> 01:17:11.279
She's quite an old woman at this pocket.

1762
01:17:11.699 --> 01:17:14.760
And she goes, come on, I know you're shooting up in here. wears

1763
01:17:14.760 --> 01:17:15.420
the stuff?

1764
01:17:19.800 --> 01:17:22.619
Oh, yeah, watch it. was fabulous.

1765
01:17:22.680 --> 01:17:24.300
At least half half an hour.

1766
01:17:24.899 --> 01:17:26.279
And they're only 6 episodes series.

1767
01:17:26.340 --> 01:17:28.319
I can just watch it all the way through.

1768
01:17:28.680 --> 01:17:33.840
The episode that season, they did an episode, which was entirely

1769
01:17:33.840 --> 01:17:39.300
from the point of view of a, you know, those doorbell cameras that

1770
01:17:39.300 --> 01:17:39.600
you have?

1771
01:17:39.659 --> 01:17:40.859
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1772
01:17:40.920 --> 01:17:42.720
It was a green bulb pretty close.

1773
01:17:42.779 --> 01:17:46.739
And they told a whole horror story with the comings and goings of

1774
01:17:46.739 --> 01:17:47.880
what was happening in this street.

1775
01:17:47.939 --> 01:17:48.659
Wow.

1776
01:17:48.659 --> 01:17:49.739
It was so great.

1777
01:17:51.060 --> 01:17:53.819
Yeah, what a great show.

1778
01:17:53.880 --> 01:17:56.880
There was a few, along the way, there was a few, I think, because

1779
01:17:56.880 --> 01:18:00.300
the bar was high, there was a few where you were like, oh, yeah, we

1780
01:18:00.300 --> 01:18:03.180
haven't, we seen this and they've done, they were dead all along

1781
01:18:03.180 --> 01:18:05.039
before and stuff like that.

1782
01:18:05.100 --> 01:18:09.659
But at its best, man, it was terrific. inside number nine.

1783
01:18:09.720 --> 01:18:12.659
And so it goes from 2014.

1784
01:18:12.840 --> 01:18:14.760
Yeah, 10 years is it?

1785
01:18:14.819 --> 01:18:17.039
Yeah. 10 or 2014.

1786
01:18:17.220 --> 01:18:18.539
Yeah.

1787
01:18:18.600 --> 01:18:21.840
And it's just stylistically, every episode is completely

1788
01:18:21.840 --> 01:18:22.439
different.

1789
01:18:22.560 --> 01:18:25.739
Yeah, Graham Harper does that wonderful.

1790
01:18:25.800 --> 01:18:31.260
They pulled in Graham Harper because they wanted a 70s director to

1791
01:18:31.260 --> 01:18:32.819
do the devil at Christmas. you seen that one?

1792
01:18:32.880 --> 01:18:33.659
No, no.

1793
01:18:33.720 --> 01:18:35.640
So it's shot.

1794
01:18:35.699 --> 01:18:37.680
It's an old 70s hammer movie.

1795
01:18:37.680 --> 01:18:41.819
And it's shot by a 70s director on 70s cameras.

1796
01:18:42.000 --> 01:18:47.340
They pulled in a 70s designer to do it and it's just perfect.

1797
01:18:47.460 --> 01:18:50.640
I mean, if you're going to watch Eddie, I'll say watch that one

1798
01:18:50.699 --> 01:18:53.340
it's so funny Oh my god, Ruler Lenska's in it.

1799
01:18:53.399 --> 01:18:54.359
Jessica Rain.

1800
01:18:57.000 --> 01:18:58.380
Derek Jackson.

1801
01:18:58.439 --> 01:19:03.239
They do this wonderful crossroads scene where they're all, um, the

1802
01:19:03.239 --> 01:19:06.479
scene starts and they're all sort of doing a toast, but no one

1803
01:19:06.479 --> 01:19:16.380
said action, and then they just go, But the twist in that one is

1804
01:19:16.380 --> 01:19:18.899
the darkest twist I ever did. horrible.

1805
01:19:18.960 --> 01:19:21.600
So the devil of Christmas.

1806
01:19:21.720 --> 01:19:23.279
And so he was 2016.

1807
01:19:23.640 --> 01:19:25.380
And what was the other one?

1808
01:19:25.500 --> 01:19:27.600
This one called, there's a live one?

1809
01:19:28.140 --> 01:19:30.359
Oh, Deadlaw one?

1810
01:19:30.420 --> 01:19:32.039
That's the Stephanie Cole one.

1811
01:19:32.100 --> 01:19:32.819
Yeah, deadline.

1812
01:19:32.880 --> 01:19:33.239
Yeah.

1813
01:19:33.300 --> 01:19:34.560
Where they fooled.

1814
01:19:34.619 --> 01:19:35.819
They fooled.

1815
01:19:35.880 --> 01:19:40.020
A 3rd of the audience that turned off a 3rd into the episode

1816
01:19:40.020 --> 01:19:43.140
because they thought genuinely that the live episode had gone

1817
01:19:43.140 --> 01:19:43.800
completely wrong.

1818
01:19:44.699 --> 01:19:46.739
It's so right.

1819
01:19:46.739 --> 01:19:47.279
And they knew that.

1820
01:19:47.340 --> 01:19:47.880
They knew it.

1821
01:19:47.939 --> 01:19:50.640
They literally did it.

1822
01:19:50.699 --> 01:19:51.300
Yeah.

1823
01:19:51.359 --> 01:19:54.539
They said, they said, if the numbers dip, because they had the 5

1824
01:19:54.539 --> 01:19:55.199
minute breakdown.

1825
01:19:55.319 --> 01:19:57.539
If the numbers dip we've pulled off this twist.

1826
01:19:59.699 --> 01:20:02.520
That's brilliant Which is great.

1827
01:20:02.579 --> 01:20:03.060
Okay.

1828
01:20:03.119 --> 01:20:04.439
Oh my god.

1829
01:20:04.500 --> 01:20:05.640
And you must have seen.

1830
01:20:05.699 --> 01:20:07.020
Have you seen the 12 days of Christine?

1831
01:20:07.140 --> 01:20:09.180
I've only ever seen the 1st episode.

1832
01:20:09.239 --> 01:20:11.760
Oh, well, then do me a favour, right?

1833
01:20:11.819 --> 01:20:14.880
Devil of Christmas, 12 Days of Christine.

1834
01:20:14.939 --> 01:20:19.560
The live one, deadline. 12 days of Christine is series two.

1835
01:20:19.619 --> 01:20:20.640
Okay.

1836
01:20:20.699 --> 01:20:24.119
Now, I know you can, no, I'm not saying a word.

1837
01:20:24.180 --> 01:20:26.760
It's extraordinary that episode.

1838
01:20:26.819 --> 01:20:28.500
It gets me every time.

1839
01:20:28.560 --> 01:20:31.079
It's extraordinary And it's Sheridan Smith.

1840
01:20:31.260 --> 01:20:33.899
It's the best performance in the rum.

1841
01:20:33.960 --> 01:20:35.100
Oh, wow, okay.

1842
01:20:36.539 --> 01:20:38.100
All right.

1843
01:20:38.159 --> 01:20:40.619
Check that as well. if you do watch it, let me know what you

1844
01:20:40.619 --> 01:20:40.800
think.

1845
01:20:40.859 --> 01:20:42.000
Yeah, yeah, I will.

1846
01:20:42.060 --> 01:20:45.119
It might tempt you to do the run, actually, because they're so

1847
01:20:45.119 --> 01:20:45.539
easy to watch.

1848
01:20:45.659 --> 01:20:46.859
I am tempted.

1849
01:20:46.979 --> 01:20:48.479
And I did like the 1st one a lot.

1850
01:20:48.539 --> 01:20:49.319
It was pretty great.

1851
01:20:49.380 --> 01:20:50.520
It was pretty good.

1852
01:20:50.579 --> 01:20:52.020
All right.

1853
01:20:52.079 --> 01:20:53.279
Okay, I'm gonna go.