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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So, we're back aboard the NXO one this week.

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It's Star Trek Enterprise, season four, episode 13, United, which is actually part 2 of a three-part arc that memory alpha calls the Romulan Interference Arc.

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So in a way, it's a sequel to minefield.

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Doesn't that sound boring?

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The Romulan?

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Interference.

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Is that the best they could come up with?

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That wasn't an official umbrella term, was it?

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No, I don't think so.

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But, you know, one of them is called the Augments arc.

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You know, like, these are very dreary titles.

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Boring titles.

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Well, like the Enterprise titles, let's be honest.

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United.

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So, so last week's was called Babel one, which has the whole sort of setup of these unmotivated attacks on the Tellorites and the Andorians, and we are going to Babel, the planet Babel in order to kind of negotiate around those issues.

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And of course, that reminds us of Journey to Babel, which I actually watch today.

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Could you correct me on something?

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Because I've got an image in my head in Journeys of Staple of like a party on the Enterprise with loads of aliens in it, you know, Andorans and Tellerites, but all sorts of other ambassadors and things like that.

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Is that right?

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Yeah, yeah.

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So how did that fair?

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It was actually not too bad.

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So they say in dialogue that they've got about 100 sort of important guests and ambassadors and stuff and there's all sorts of things.

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There's a purple lady and there's 2 very short bronze people and stuff.

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But it's the episode that has Andorians and Tellerides in it.

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The only other episode of original Trek that does that is Whom Gods Destroy, remember, which we saw, and the villains of the Orion.

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So that setup where the Federation is Andorians, Tellerites, Vulcans, and Humans kind of coming together, is a kind of conceit of original trek.

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It isn't a feature of 90s trek at all until this point.

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And so this is the 1st time, I think, that we've had Tellerides in 90s trek at all.

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And I think Michael Westmore was keen to have a go at the makeup for them.

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Well, no, we're going to disagree on this, but hot off the press off the Vardoir a couple of weeks ago.

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I think this is a similarly ghastly design.

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I mean, I refuse to believe a species would grow up looking like this.

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I think the Tellorites never really work at all.

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Like they never tend to look good with the exception. of pod.

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No, we agree, didn't we?

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Polk, yeah, because they sort of went for the, it's either bebop or rock study.

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I can never remember which one's which in teenage root.

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It looks like that, basically, doesn't it?

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Like a warthawk.

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That's it.

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Yeah, so I think he looks really good.

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Generally, the Tellorites don't look good.

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I think these ones don't look too bad, but there is a kind of problem generally with this setup, which is that all of the aliens are weird and irrational with their crazy traditions and obnoxious behaviour.

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And only human beings.

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It's still not instructed, you know.

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Beings are reasonable.

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In fact, Babel won, the 1st episode.

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Last week's episode starts with this big argument between Hoshi and Captain Archer, where Archer's really rude and personally kind of insulting towards her.

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And you're kind of going, what's happening here?

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What's happening here?

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And it turns out she's training him to be as obnoxious as he needs to be with the Tellerites, who will come on board and complain and be obnoxious.

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Trouble is so.

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You couldn't tell the difference between that and the regular archer.

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But yeah, so that's sort of set up a little bit in Journey to Babel.

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I sent you a message saying, you know, how wonderful that they've taken the Andorians, which have got a bit of a short straight flight in 90s trade.

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I haven't really been touched upon at all.

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I think we saw one in the offspring, didn't we, in the holodeck?

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and that's it.

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So they went, okay, that's a much underutilised race.

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We're going to give them some focus and some attention.

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And then by the end of this, we're just doing sort of Klingon stuff, right?

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In order to, you know, maintain my honour.

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We must have a fight in this room and, you know, and you or my friend, but I'm going to have to fight you and I'm like, is this the best they can come up with?

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Like we've been doing this now for 15 years.

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It's it's really kind of exhausting and in that scene and we'll get there.

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I knew exactly how it was going to play out and the thing is that Stran doesn't need to be told what's happening because he guesses it immediately because he's watched a lot of Star Trek over the last few years as well.

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He's by far the best thing about this.

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Oh, he's the most interesting.

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I said to you, he's more interesting than any of the Enterprise crew in this episode.

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He's giving a better performance than anybody on the regular cast is giving in this episode.

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And frankly, I would be a lot happier if we just ditched the Enterprise and when it did Star Trek Shran for the rest of the season, because it might be a bit more engaging.

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In fact, he's even better in part three.

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So the conclusion to this episode, the big cliffhanger at the end of this episode is the revelation that the Romulan drone ship is being remotely piloted by an Andorian.

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And that Andorian is white skinned and blind, and we discover the following week that he's from a subgroup of the Andorians called the Enar, which is the subgroup that Hammer belongs to in Strange New World.

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Ina, you say.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah.

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So that is actually referenced in Stranger Worlds, because that's where Hemmer comes from.

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He's one of those as well, so which is why he's blind and white skinned as an Andorian.

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So that next episode is called the Enar, and we go and visit the Enar, and Shran meets a young Enar, girl, who is the sister of the person who's piloting the drone, and his relationship with her.

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She's not the girl from the last one, is she?

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I don't think so.

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Oh, that would have been good. if they were setting that up.

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Because that's his daughter, isn't it?

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The girl from the last one.

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Oh yeah, it is.

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I did think about that, though, whether they tried to get her back and then couldn't and then gave him a daughter.

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They could have just said it was her.

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They did it with Yow 4 times.

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Yeah, no, she's white, though, because she's enough.

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Oh, okay.

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And she's really good and Shran, like Jeff Coombs is so magnificently good with her.

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So we've got the stuff here with Talis, his girlfriend who dies in this episode and we get to see that.

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And we get to see him play this conflict between the demands of his culture. his stupid Star Trek culture and the need to work together against a common enemy and his rationality and his respect for Archer and all of those things.

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And I think there's a complexity to that, that, you know, that dual motivation.

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It's not groundbreakingly brilliant or anything, but it's more than anyone else has got going on.

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And he's really playing it to the hilt.

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I think he's really good in this.

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You said to me, in a message that, like, he's more interesting than Waiyud.

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And I think he probably is more interesting than way you'd, on paper, but he's no fun in the way that Wayoon is.

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It's hilarious. and so much, and you know what?

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This is entertainment, right?

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We are supposed to be enjoying this as well as taking something, you know, intelligent away from it.

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And the issue with him not being as fun as Yune is that no one on the Enterprise is fun either.

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And it was especially apparent when I was watching this.

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We come on the back of Subspace Rhapsody, right?

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which obviously is in the future and they've learned how to do this better, but all those characters are so fun and light and effervescent and enjoyable to be around.

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Then I was back on these dark sets with these people sort of whispering their lines in a very serious way.

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And I was going, how did we ever get here?

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Yeah, this is where TNG started.

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You know, they're all very over the top of the start of that.

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When did we get this subtle?

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It's funny.

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I think, I mean, I do think that the regulars tend to be a bit boring here, and like I'm happy to see Jolene do anything.

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They unfortunately pair Connor up with Dominic Keating, Malcolm Reese.

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Like, they're just not interesting together in any way because again, you know.

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They keep pairing them up.

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They have like 2 or three.

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They have a one where the shuttlepod one where they're stuck in the ship together and it's like the bromance begins and they're all talking about tits and things and it's just steeply deeply uncomfortable tedious.

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They talk about Dep Paul's bum in this 3 part.

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Yeah, it's tits and shut up on one.

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They're talking about one of the con officers boobs.

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And then in, there's a one where they go down to riser. imagine how that goes.

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I mean, just hideous.

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I keep doing this and I'm like, who is this for?

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You know, you heterosexual Star Trek fans, are you really enjoying this stuff?

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But like it's clearly, you know, just a male heterosexual relationship, like Julian and O'Brien, but they're good, they're interesting.

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Well, they're in love with each other as well, they're older.

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But they have well-defined characters in a way, you know, and Malcolm isn't a well-defined character.

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Look, I think that they are perfectly serviceable in their subplot, and I think their subplot is reasonably interesting.

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Boring.

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They were just in a room spout in Technopapol.

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I'm like, what's happening?

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Please get out of this room.

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I like the premise a lot.

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And I think they do a reasonable job of sort of selling it where they've got the Romulans here.

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We can't ever see them, right?

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Because canonically, uh, they don't get seen until, is it balance of terror?

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I don't know.

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A problem that keeps coming up in enterprise.

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They want to play with a big boys, but they can't because they haven't been established.

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So they even have to jump through time paradoxes, you know, have the ball turn up in the past or something like that, you know.

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But yeah, it is a problem though.

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But but I think I think that they kind of play with it a little bit because in the in the 1st episode, it's not clear that the ship is a drone being piloted remotely.

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Like, it's not at all clear.

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And what happens is in the cliffhanger, the 2 boys come into the bridge of the ship, and there's no one there, but we thought that Brian Thompson and his mate and the pilot were there, that they were on the bridge, and the big reveal is no, they're in this building on the planet Romulus.

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And they're piloting the ship remotely and there's no one on the ship at all.

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And that wasn't at all known to us.

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And so that's kind of surprising.

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And so what you have is this shape shifting remote drone ship.

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And so what I thought was the guy in the helmet is the one that we'll see, right?

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Because we can't see the Romulans.

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So the boys will encounter the guy in the helmet and we'll never get to see that Romulan because they're wearing the helmet, right?

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Then it turns out they're not there at all.

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And so why is the guy wearing the helmet and obviously that's resolved in this cliffhanger.

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But that idea of the remote thing that's trying to stir up trouble between these alpha quadrant races.

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I don't think that's a terrible idea.

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It's something new. something technically new.

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It gives us a new thing to do.

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I think this might be an occasion where our format. trips me up because you watched all 3 episodes of this.

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So you sort the setup.

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And I just had really no idea what was going on from the few clips I got at the start.

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So I didn't really understand the stakes of the episode.

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I couldn't really understand how everybody had got to the positions that they're in.

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And then the story didn't move at any great pace.

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And then it ended with a cliffhanger, which I didn't understand.

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So the whole end was, I was like, what is happening here?

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Why the hell doesn't this thing start moving?

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My other thing I really want to talk about before we go in, and this might not make me popular, and they never would have done this in a 1000000 years because they had a roll call of creatives in 90s trek, but they just kept going back to the same well.

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And they had directors.

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They had sort of good faith relationships with.

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But I just think for Enterprise.

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Yeah, if they really wanted to do something new, they should have ditched all of the directors that did TNG, DS 9.

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Because this is David Livingston's like 180th episode or something like that, right?

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And there comes a point.

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There comes a point where you've done everything and you just point a camera.

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And there was points during this episode where I was like, yeah, do you know, I could me, Joe Forwater, who's not a director, because I can think of ways of making this more visually dynamic with the technology they had at the time beyond what David Livingston's doing here.

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It just plotted.

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And the sort of the climax where the action started.

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It was so boring.

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And I was like, okay, they should have taken all of their sort of actorly directors that have proven themselves.

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Robert Duncan McNeil.

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Roxanne Dawson, Frakes, Patrick, no, Patrick Stewart.

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Leave him on the foot.

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Avery Brooks, Renee, all of those people, and maybe just make a build, a great direction team out of the and showcase that.

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But as a result, all you've got in enterprise, on the whole, is your Les Landos, your David Livingston's, and they've been doing this a long, long time now.

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And I can feel it.

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I can feel it in the execution of the episode.

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And that's a shame because there's stuff here that could be dynamic.

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This is not as good as the Keshara 3 part of which we did at all, which I think is really terrific.

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Did we watch the last one of that?

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I think we watched the last one.

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There was space battles hand-to-hand battles.

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It was all going on in that one.

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I reckon if we'd watched the last one of this, you might have come away having had a better time because excuse me, you made the rules all right.

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We weren't allowed to do 3 episodes together.

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No, no way.

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No, I'm not watching...

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Well, like I watched it on the couch and got up to go for a Wii and that kind of thing.

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I don't think I could talk into a microphone while watching 3 episodes in a row.

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I don't think, oh, I could watch 3 episodes about the prize on the trot, you know.

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One every couple of weeks is enough.

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I watched episode one and then went and did some stuff and had lunch and had to lie down and then watched the other two.

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But the 3rd one, I think, is the strongest one and it's the one that's most focussed.

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Then you say one and three.

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Sorry, I'm waving a pencil.

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Didn't you say one and three?

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were better than two. think so.

211
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I said you, this absolutely feels like coming after one and before three.

212
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You know, that doesn't have to be the case because in the DS93 part of the 1st 3 part.

213
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They did, the Bajor Civil War arc at the start of season two.

214
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Big mission statement, you know, season two, episode one.

215
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The 2nd episode there is by far the best of the free.

216
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Right.

217
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It's where all that, where all the twists here and, you know, the terrorists are heading to the station.

218
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It's all building a momentum to a big rousing finale, whereas this absolutely feels like the filler between 2 pieces of bread to me.

219
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In a way, at the end of the episode, they kind of defeat or, you know, they overcome the marauder and it vanishes.

220
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And in a way, this story could have ended there, that would have been fine.

221
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But what we get to get the 3rd episode happening is to reveal that the Ina kid is piloting the spaceship.

222
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And then we find out who that is very early on and Strand steal aboard the ship for that episode and we...

223
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Is there more action in the 3rd one?

224
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bet there is.

225
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No, we actually go to Andoria and we visit the Inar and we learn about them.

226
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I might have been a bit more interesting.

227
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And we meet the sister and then we go back on board and we have a confrontation and stuff and it's a lot more kind of focussed and interesting, I think.

228
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It is the cruel fate of the randomiser then that we landed upon that we got that episode too.

229
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Well, on that note, should we go watch it?

230
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I think we should.

231
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I think we should.

232
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I mean, I think I think the thing is here, the keyword is united, and this is the birthplace.

233
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This is the very kind of kindling of the United Federation of planets.

234
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Oh, for sure.

235
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Yes, and they're doing all of that this year, aren't they?

236
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to get to that point.

237
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That's right.

238
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Trouble is, we don't get to that point because the axe comes down, but yeah.

239
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But, I mean, yes, it doesn't happen for another 6 years or something.

240
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I'll set you into thread and I've set you off, Mike.

241
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I think series 5 of Enterprise would have been pretty extraordinary because I think in 4 they're absolutely figuring out what works in this show, how to tell more interesting stories, how to give everybody something to do.

242
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I mean, I was so happy that how she got a scene in this.

243
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Hurrah.

244
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Get your pen out, love.

245
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Oh, yeah.

246
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Well, you said she got one in the last scene as well.

247
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You're getting greedy now.

248
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But I don't think they're quite there yet, but I think they're making huge strides this season compared to where we started in series one.

249
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You remember Strange New World?

250
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We've come a long way. getting from there to here.

251
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Oh boy, please press play.

252
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We do that every single episode.

253
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Okay, I will count in 5, 4, 3, 2, one, and we're off.

254
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So previously.

255
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So, see the big antennas on the front of the ship?

256
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So it's got the big antennas, the big antennas are for the remote control.

257
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Right?

258
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I did like...

259
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Sorry, go on.

260
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Go on.

261
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No, no.

262
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And then there's hollow emitters on the, those, those sort of glowing things on the ship, on the outside of the ship, the hollow emitters.

263
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The, the crazy design of the, what turns out to be the Andorian in the chair with all the sort of glowy tubes all over him.

264
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I did love that.

265
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That's a bit different.

266
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Yeah.

267
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Well, what was the what was the one that we watched?

268
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Um, uh, it might have been sort of right near the end, but another sort of enterprise where we had a lot of negative space, um, and a big fabulous dark set for the villains, which I thought was really good.

269
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You're not talking about that TOS episode, are you?

270
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No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

271
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No, an enterprise episode where we had a set very similar to this one.

272
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See, so this set, they're on the bridge, right?

273
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Malcolm and and trip on the bridge, and then we're cutting back to this other thing, which is identical with the bridge, but now we're starting to see that there's a window, I don't think we saw the window in episode one that gives out onto the Romulan capital city, which, it turns out, is lifted from nemesis.

274
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So, um, it's the same model but a different kind of angle.

275
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I'm going to bizarrely say something complimentary about the execution given I've just write it all over it.

276
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But the decision to light the Romulans from below in this scene was a great idea because Brian Thompson already looks menacing.

277
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And then you light him from below and he looks terrifying.

278
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He's really great in this.

279
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His physicality used to be his main thing.

280
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You know, he was kind of big and buff and a bit intimidating physically and now he's a bit older and a little bit kind of, you know, doughier.

281
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I don't know.

282
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He's a, you know, his face is so... where he's got a double chin and stuff like that. you know, before he had a very striking face.

283
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Now he's a little bit rounder faced and stuff.

284
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But I still got that voice, Nathan.

285
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Yeah, I just found him so compelling.

286
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I thought he was really great in this.

287
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You usually think it, because he doesn't ever say anything in the X-Files, does he ever?

288
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Well, no, no, you ask the old line.

289
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Yeah.

290
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Yeah.

291
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Tell me where he is.

292
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Lines like that, you know, yeah, yeah.

293
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Functional lines.

294
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Oh, can I confess something to you now?

295
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I was like, I can't believe I don't know what came over me, but I was sort of doing some steps at home whilst I was watching this.

296
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And I pressed fast forward 10 seconds when the music started.

297
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I was like, what am I doing?

298
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Yeah, yeah, I went back 10 seconds.

299
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Obviously, I went back and listened to that.

300
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Yeah, yeah.

301
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Yeah, the only title sequence I watch every time.

302
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Yeah, no, I always watch some.

303
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I love the time. of the heart. my god. beautiful.

304
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Can we have a dance for that when you come here?

305
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You're visiting soon.

306
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

307
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I think so.

308
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I love this.

309
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We'll have a waltz around the room to play for the heart.

310
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Dead core.

311
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Will too.

312
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This keeps very I'm the age of a dad now, all right.

313
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It's perfect You want marketing?

314
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That'll be our market if you and me dancing around the room for this.

315
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Oh dear.

316
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Okay.

317
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I might have had enough of it. get this song wrapped up.

318
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

319
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Shut up, Russell.

320
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Oh, Rick Berman and Brad and Braga, right?

321
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Our side of quality.

322
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That was once.

323
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It was a sign of a ratings hit back in the day.

324
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What happened?

325
00:22:30.119 --> 00:22:33.240
So, oh, yeah, and we did have that fight.

326
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We did have that fight, which the fight in which Talis got shot last week, and that was kind of exciting as well.

327
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If only they took Archer, they're seeing and put Tripp into it, you'd have the 3 prettiest people of the crew together.

328
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It'd be lovely, wouldn't it?

329
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It is true.

330
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Look at how serious they all are, though.

331
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But I love this idea where the ship.

332
00:22:55.680 --> 00:23:04.319
So because the ship starts this, the 1st episode starts on trans ship, which is called the Kumari, and it gets destroyed.

333
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It gets attacked by the Tellerites and destroyed, and they pick up the survivors.

334
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There's like 19 survivors out of 80 or something.

335
00:23:11.700 --> 00:23:19.859
And, um, And then the Tellerites complain that they're being attacked by, by Andorians and stuff.

336
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And all of this is lifted from journey to babel, where the Orions are trying to sow dissension.

337
00:23:25.380 --> 00:23:30.660
I was going to say Doctor Who's frontier in space, but clearly they'd watch Journey to Babel.

338
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

339
00:23:32.099 --> 00:23:39.599
So Journey debate was well. that reminds me of that interview where Jeffrey Coombes was, you know, facing up against Branham Bra going, how dare you not give me a regular pot?

340
00:23:39.660 --> 00:23:42.299
Well, they sort of did. he gets a lot to do in this season.

341
00:23:42.359 --> 00:23:44.519
He's really...

342
00:23:44.579 --> 00:23:48.660
Brandon, for once, I'm on your side and you should have said, well, we kept giving you work, all right?

343
00:23:48.720 --> 00:23:49.440
Stop complaining.

344
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Fuck, he's good.

345
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He's so good.

346
00:23:52.500 --> 00:23:57.119
So this woman has been on it before, hasn't she, Molly Brink?

347
00:23:57.180 --> 00:23:59.039
Like she has been his sidekick.

348
00:23:59.099 --> 00:24:05.339
I think we might have seen her before, but it's established last week that they're in a relationship finally.

349
00:24:05.700 --> 00:24:10.619
Can I, um, confess another problem?

350
00:24:10.680 --> 00:24:15.059
Yeah, I know this is Star Trek and we're used to ridiculous things.

351
00:24:15.119 --> 00:24:21.119
But these twitching appendages during deeply serious scenes.

352
00:24:21.359 --> 00:24:25.500
It is inadvertently hilariously funny.

353
00:24:25.559 --> 00:24:29.339
That's where the fun is. that they don't realise how absolutely stupid.

354
00:24:29.460 --> 00:24:31.440
I mean, look at it's fucking thing.

355
00:24:31.440 --> 00:24:33.599
I know, it's really funny, isn't it?

356
00:24:33.660 --> 00:24:34.140
It is great.

357
00:24:34.200 --> 00:24:37.079
And it is a proper serious scene as well, isn't it?

358
00:24:37.140 --> 00:24:44.579
Yeah, well, no, in every scene he's serious in this, but he still has twitching tentacles for what are they called?

359
00:24:45.240 --> 00:24:46.140
antennae.

360
00:24:46.200 --> 00:24:46.680
Yeah, yeah.

361
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I, what do they do?

362
00:24:48.660 --> 00:24:49.380
Do we know?

363
00:24:49.500 --> 00:25:04.859
We do find out because he can't continue fighting once Archer chops one of his antennae off because he's and he loses balance crucially at one point next week he can't balance because one of the antennae's been cut off.

364
00:25:04.920 --> 00:25:09.359
So he's right. when the Klingons came back in TNG.

365
00:25:09.420 --> 00:25:12.420
They said, you know what, we didn't put too much effort during TOS.

366
00:25:12.480 --> 00:25:17.339
We're going to update them a bit, make them look a bit less stupid or a bit more stupid.

367
00:25:17.400 --> 00:25:19.680
They look stupider in Journey to Baby.

368
00:25:20.640 --> 00:25:22.019
Really?

369
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Were they moving?

370
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No, no movement.

371
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I'll switch the details.

372
00:25:26.339 --> 00:25:39.299
And then it turned out that the villa, the Andorian villain was really in Orion, who'd been surgically altered, i.e. painted blue in order to pass for a, uh, so his antennae weren't even real.

373
00:25:39.299 --> 00:25:43.440
We was talking about the CGI vistas that they're achieving now.

374
00:25:43.500 --> 00:25:45.359
I do think they are incredibly good.

375
00:25:45.420 --> 00:25:56.640
The only thing that lets it down and I can see it on the background there behind you is this sort of Lego City Sea that they have going around the edges that looks incredibly fake.

376
00:25:56.700 --> 00:26:00.059
But the rest of it, the detail in the buildings is pretty impressive.

377
00:26:00.119 --> 00:26:12.000
I'd be surprised if that wasn't a real element, that the, that the background wasn't like a photo that they'd taken or taken and adjusted, you know, Oh, no, I'm talking about the sea there.

378
00:26:12.059 --> 00:26:13.980
It's just curling around the edge.

379
00:26:14.039 --> 00:26:15.599
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, fake.

380
00:26:15.660 --> 00:26:16.319
Yeah, it does.

381
00:26:16.380 --> 00:26:25.980
So this is the same model that they used in Star Trek Nemesis. and I didn't check any further than the opening minute of Star Trek Nemesis to establish that.

382
00:26:26.039 --> 00:26:29.940
It's not the same shot, and maybe they just take...

383
00:26:30.000 --> 00:26:30.900
Look, Riemens.

384
00:26:30.960 --> 00:26:33.180
Like, there's Riemens in the background of that show.

385
00:26:33.240 --> 00:26:39.299
I'm going, well, there weren't Riemens in 2154, but of course there were. just didn't know about them.

386
00:26:39.359 --> 00:26:42.960
Why are they reminding us of nemesis of all things?

387
00:26:43.019 --> 00:26:45.180
Well, the costumes are lying around.

388
00:26:45.240 --> 00:26:48.119
And I did think that they looked pretty good, the the Rimans.

389
00:26:48.180 --> 00:26:51.000
Yeah, you had a certain noferatu thing.

390
00:26:51.059 --> 00:26:53.279
One last thing about the special topics.

391
00:26:53.339 --> 00:26:57.539
I think it's great that they're being this ambitious with their CGI.

392
00:26:57.599 --> 00:27:06.539
And we were talking about the map paintings in TNG and DS9 and stuff and how they do those weird sort of sweeps across to suggest movement.

393
00:27:06.599 --> 00:27:13.319
There's far more dynamism in what they're doing now, but because CGI is still kind of in its infancy at this point.

394
00:27:13.380 --> 00:27:17.339
I think the match shots are beautiful, yeah?

395
00:27:17.400 --> 00:27:21.119
And they hold up because they're not trying to be too ambitious.

396
00:27:21.240 --> 00:27:30.599
Whereas the CGI hit, whenever I see a person and there's just an outline of a person walking about, it's, wow, we've come a long, we've come a long way, haven't we?

397
00:27:30.660 --> 00:27:33.299
The little CGI people never work in Enterprise.

398
00:27:33.359 --> 00:27:34.920
I do think these cityscapes look great.

399
00:27:34.980 --> 00:27:41.819
And next week we will see the Ina City under the ice and that's imaginative and interesting as well.

400
00:27:41.880 --> 00:27:45.240
And I do think that the marauder, the drone looks great.

401
00:27:45.299 --> 00:27:53.819
You know, the little drone and how it moves. at the end was incredibly good, like, and they did a sort of fly around of that, and yeah, that was really, really great.

402
00:27:53.880 --> 00:27:57.299
I mean, please go back and watch Babylon 5 CGI.

403
00:27:57.359 --> 00:27:59.099
To see how far we've come.

404
00:27:59.160 --> 00:28:01.200
I don't. won't be doing that.

405
00:28:02.759 --> 00:28:06.420
I believe that's a bit of a blank spot in your mind, isn't it?

406
00:28:06.480 --> 00:28:07.200
Babylon 5?

407
00:28:07.259 --> 00:28:09.299
Just slip straight out.

408
00:28:09.359 --> 00:28:11.279
By tomorrow I'll never have heard of it.

409
00:28:11.339 --> 00:28:13.079
Keep it that way.

410
00:28:14.579 --> 00:28:16.019
Okay.

411
00:28:16.079 --> 00:28:29.160
So we did get a mention of minefield, because that was their 1st encounter with the Romulans, and again, they encounter them in a ship without ever seeing them, and they encounter their minds and staff.

412
00:28:29.220 --> 00:28:31.799
And so we think this is a Romulan ship.

413
00:28:31.859 --> 00:28:37.619
The Romulans are very confident that they can't be tracked, but they're told very definitely that they can be.

414
00:28:37.980 --> 00:28:45.000
We have been doing 2 people stuck in a room with a technobabble problem for 15 years now, yeah?

415
00:28:45.059 --> 00:28:51.299
What they should be doing here is pumping this scene full of character moments. as well as doing the Taylor babble.

416
00:28:51.359 --> 00:29:04.319
Like, do you remember when we watched Change of Face of Evil and we were going around the ship just before they were going off to war and they were all doing their consoles and bits like this and everyone had a witty line and everyone was going down. you know and I was like, yeah, we're there.

417
00:29:04.380 --> 00:29:08.460
They figured out how to do all this boring exposition with a lot of personality.

418
00:29:08.519 --> 00:29:10.680
So why is this all check the babble?

419
00:29:10.740 --> 00:29:11.579
I think it's awful.

420
00:29:11.640 --> 00:29:20.759
And the one scene at the end of this, at the end that wraps up this subplot, I think is dreadful, and it's an attempt...

421
00:29:20.819 --> 00:29:21.720
Yeah I think it's awful.

422
00:29:21.779 --> 00:29:28.079
Yeah, but I was just so happy that somebody was smiling and said, like teasing him, you know, in a way that's not funny.

423
00:29:28.140 --> 00:29:30.299
Ah, Psych, I'm not going to report you.

424
00:29:30.359 --> 00:29:32.039
Ha ha, you're easy to fool.

425
00:29:32.099 --> 00:29:33.660
I'm your commanding officer.

426
00:29:33.720 --> 00:29:35.880
It just made Tripp seem like a prick.

427
00:29:36.000 --> 00:29:39.119
And like, that's...

428
00:29:39.119 --> 00:29:45.839
I refuse to believe, Nathan, but anybody would light a room from a table like this with no other lighting source.

429
00:29:45.900 --> 00:29:48.119
I mean, I realise it's atmospheric.

430
00:29:48.180 --> 00:29:50.640
But that's not really what you go for during diplomatic talks.

431
00:29:50.700 --> 00:29:55.019
I think they discovered in 10 forward that it gave very traumatic.

432
00:29:57.119 --> 00:29:58.799
Don't you think?

433
00:29:58.859 --> 00:30:02.099
It was like 10 four and they said, fuck, we should need more lit tables.

434
00:30:02.160 --> 00:30:05.279
I cannot look at those hairy warthogs.

435
00:30:05.339 --> 00:30:06.960
Look at the state of here.

436
00:30:07.019 --> 00:30:07.440
Right.

437
00:30:07.500 --> 00:30:12.299
I think like the teeth, the lower teeth, the fangs on the lower jaw look really great.

438
00:30:12.359 --> 00:30:14.460
I think they look properly like pigs.

439
00:30:14.519 --> 00:30:27.599
Like they don't work at all in original track and like trying to recreate them like I looked at photos of them from the movies and stuff like that and even in discovery, like they just don't look very good.

440
00:30:27.720 --> 00:30:31.319
I don't want you coming up me, people on social media, all right.

441
00:30:31.380 --> 00:30:32.700
They're not real, okay?

442
00:30:32.759 --> 00:30:36.839
Because I realise I've been very mean about a lot of aliens lately on this podcast.

443
00:30:37.380 --> 00:30:39.660
God they are hideous.

444
00:30:39.720 --> 00:30:41.759
I think they look they're pretty good.

445
00:30:41.819 --> 00:30:46.319
They might be the best version of them that's been done. better than Polk.

446
00:30:46.380 --> 00:30:50.160
Yeah, because Pog doesn't really look enough like a Telleride.

447
00:30:50.220 --> 00:30:52.079
They just get away with it because it's a cartoon.

448
00:30:52.140 --> 00:30:55.259
Well, because it's that fabulous CGI, so dynamic.

449
00:30:55.319 --> 00:30:57.960
You see him running around and leaping around rooms and things.

450
00:30:58.019 --> 00:31:06.539
But there is another Tellerite character in, like on Janeway's ship, on the Dauntless, which doesn't look like Pog at all.

451
00:31:06.779 --> 00:31:10.500
And, oh, yes, they remember to make poke funny.

452
00:31:10.559 --> 00:31:12.720
And that makes him incredibly appealing.

453
00:31:12.779 --> 00:31:16.200
Yeah, not like either of these people in this plot.

454
00:31:16.380 --> 00:31:20.220
Not like anybody in this block.

455
00:31:20.279 --> 00:31:30.000
But like what I like here is the interaction with the Romulans here, like the interaction with Brian Thompson, where Brian Thompson talks to them.

456
00:31:30.059 --> 00:31:38.039
I think there's a terrific moment where he calls Reed Malcolm because that's just what he's heard trip calling him.

457
00:31:38.099 --> 00:31:43.740
And, you know, like, like, I think he's got a really great ominous voice.

458
00:31:43.799 --> 00:31:47.700
I think they have this weird power over them.

459
00:31:47.759 --> 00:31:54.839
Like it's an odd, it's like an odd twist on what is a fairly kind of boring thing, I think.

460
00:31:54.900 --> 00:31:59.519
Yeah, but because of the reason you said earlier that we can't see them, yeah?

461
00:31:59.579 --> 00:32:03.900
It's like can't have a scene together, which means it's all done over intercoms.

462
00:32:04.019 --> 00:32:06.599
Yeah, but that's that's interesting.

463
00:32:06.660 --> 00:32:08.099
I think that's something that's interesting.

464
00:32:08.160 --> 00:32:10.319
Like, I think, given they're doing it.

465
00:32:10.380 --> 00:32:25.019
And given that they have these constraints, and given that they're trying to play in the TOS sandbox, which is why we get Romulans here, um, Look at this, fella, look, he said, trying to say you're very dramatic, it appears they fail in the main matrix of the warp coupling.

466
00:32:25.079 --> 00:32:26.279
My god.

467
00:32:28.440 --> 00:32:30.900
The strakes are high now.

468
00:32:30.960 --> 00:32:34.920
But it goes, I'm going to, I'm going to flip through these surplit couplers.

469
00:32:34.980 --> 00:32:35.759
Oh, my God.

470
00:32:35.819 --> 00:32:40.559
Yeah, he just says, look, we'll just lock him in the room because we've got something in there to kill him with.

471
00:32:40.619 --> 00:32:42.299
I thought that was really good.

472
00:32:42.359 --> 00:32:43.140
I thought that was great.

473
00:32:43.200 --> 00:32:45.839
Like, I realise I'm not your typical Star Trek fan.

474
00:32:45.960 --> 00:32:46.319
Okay.

475
00:32:46.380 --> 00:32:49.799
I love Star Trek, yeah, but I just can't bear.

476
00:32:49.920 --> 00:32:52.079
This is like 2 Daleks talking to each other.

477
00:32:52.140 --> 00:32:53.940
All of this Tetla babble.

478
00:32:54.000 --> 00:32:54.900
Yeah.

479
00:32:54.900 --> 00:32:58.680
Yeah, no, but I mean, this is about how to kill them, how to get the ship back off them.

480
00:32:58.799 --> 00:32:59.579
Do you know what I mean?

481
00:32:59.640 --> 00:33:05.640
There's a very clear kind of, uh, he wants these guys want to do something, they want them not to do it.

482
00:33:05.700 --> 00:33:10.500
You know, like, I don't think, I don't think there's any lack of clarity in what the episode's about.

483
00:33:10.559 --> 00:33:15.839
Um, I don't think it's primarily techno-babble, but trying to gain control of the sheep.

484
00:33:15.960 --> 00:33:22.559
Oh, I mean, in the dialogue that I'm reading right now of the screen, all I'm seeing is Alabama.

485
00:33:22.619 --> 00:33:23.099
Yeah, yeah.

486
00:33:23.880 --> 00:33:25.259
Yeah.

487
00:33:25.319 --> 00:33:26.460
Who are you?

488
00:33:26.519 --> 00:33:31.019
Unfortunately, we're not revealed for another 60 years, so I can't tell you.

489
00:33:32.099 --> 00:33:35.039
But you'll know that I'm very menacing.

490
00:33:35.099 --> 00:33:37.680
So when I turn up in the neutral zone, you'll know I'm bad news.

491
00:33:37.740 --> 00:33:39.900
He does have a very scary voice.

492
00:33:39.960 --> 00:33:42.539
It's like a lameo in the neutral zone, of course.

493
00:33:42.599 --> 00:33:45.299
Yeah, I'll they do choose their representatives.

494
00:33:45.359 --> 00:33:46.980
The actors extremely well.

495
00:33:47.339 --> 00:33:50.819
So I always, this thing shits me right.

496
00:33:50.880 --> 00:33:53.640
So, like, what...

497
00:33:53.640 --> 00:33:55.259
Not that bad of a design enterprise?

498
00:33:55.319 --> 00:33:56.220
What annoys you about?

499
00:33:56.519 --> 00:33:57.059
No, no, no.

500
00:33:57.119 --> 00:34:02.039
The thing about trapping them in the radioactive room and it's kind of like you'll be dead in a minute.

501
00:34:02.099 --> 00:34:14.159
And so basically the alternative is, if you get out before the minute, then you're perfectly fine and there's no ill effects at all, but if you go there for a 2nd longer than that, then you'll be dead.

502
00:34:14.219 --> 00:34:16.199
You know, like, you know, they're kind of...

503
00:34:16.199 --> 00:34:17.519
Star Trek escape room.

504
00:34:17.579 --> 00:34:23.579
It's like, he probably has a lot of cancer and like burns. you know, like.

505
00:34:24.360 --> 00:34:31.739
You know, I refuse to believe that they would kill off a regular honour surprise in a moment like that, you know, a sort of offhand moment.

506
00:34:31.800 --> 00:34:32.460
Oh, wait, no.

507
00:34:32.519 --> 00:34:33.360
These are the voyages.

508
00:34:33.420 --> 00:34:36.059
I absolutely would do that. was terrible.

509
00:34:36.300 --> 00:34:38.519
I like this scene.

510
00:34:38.519 --> 00:34:45.179
Like, yeah, I do like the relationship between Archer and Shrine, and it's because they've given it some time.

511
00:34:45.239 --> 00:34:49.679
They've let the actors develop the relationship and there is, do you remember the start?

512
00:34:49.739 --> 00:34:50.940
They didn't get on at all.

513
00:34:51.000 --> 00:34:52.860
Just wait one sec.

514
00:34:52.920 --> 00:35:06.780
Here, Strand suggests that perhaps future vessels will be named after the Kumari and the Enterprise, that the Kumari Strand ship was named after the 1st ice cutter to circumnavigate Andoria.

515
00:35:06.780 --> 00:35:16.079
And in the final episode of Star Trek Picard, we have the USS Kumari, which is named... after this.

516
00:35:16.139 --> 00:35:17.880
As it should be.

517
00:35:17.940 --> 00:35:18.780
Do you know what I mean?

518
00:35:18.840 --> 00:35:19.920
This is the place.

519
00:35:19.980 --> 00:35:28.199
It was Shran that the Andorians and the humans become allies for the 1st time that they work together and they work together with the Tailorites.

520
00:35:28.260 --> 00:35:32.519
This important historical moment and so we name the USS Kumari after it.

521
00:35:32.579 --> 00:35:38.219
Do you wonder if Alex Kurtzman just sat down and watched all of Star Trek, right?

522
00:35:38.280 --> 00:35:41.940
Every sort of team that wasn't crossed an eye that wasn't died. yeah.

523
00:35:42.000 --> 00:35:43.500
Ooh, did that accent again?

524
00:35:43.559 --> 00:35:44.579
That was well sexy.

525
00:35:44.639 --> 00:35:45.960
Oh, well, have that.

526
00:35:46.980 --> 00:35:58.139
No, like, it does actually mention a memory alpha who suggested calling it the USS Kumari and that it was a reference to that, but I think that's pretty terrific.

527
00:35:58.199 --> 00:36:01.139
I mean, they are so good at that, though, aren't they, Kersman Trek?

528
00:36:01.199 --> 00:36:06.719
I mean, the amount of lip service they pay to enterprise is astonishing.

529
00:36:06.780 --> 00:36:09.840
Given it was a spectacular flop.

530
00:36:09.900 --> 00:36:12.539
They truly have celebrated enterprise.

531
00:36:12.599 --> 00:36:13.559
For them, too.

532
00:36:13.679 --> 00:36:23.280
Like the, you know, those old scientists, the big key moment is, is the crew of enterprise geeking out over the crew of the NXO one.

533
00:36:23.579 --> 00:36:29.699
And over time, you know, I mean, even though DS9 is always the least served in Kurtzman Trek.

534
00:36:29.760 --> 00:36:33.420
Over time, they, you know, the change that came along, that big statue of O'Brien.

535
00:36:33.480 --> 00:36:34.320
There was enough there.

536
00:36:34.380 --> 00:36:35.159
There was enough.

537
00:36:35.219 --> 00:36:37.860
There's going to be a Gem Hadar in Starfleet Academy.

538
00:36:37.920 --> 00:36:41.400
Have you seen all the Star Trek fans losing their shit?

539
00:36:41.460 --> 00:36:44.159
You cannot have a female gem at all.

540
00:36:44.280 --> 00:36:45.179
They said it into the death.

541
00:36:45.239 --> 00:36:46.199
Oh, please.

542
00:36:49.440 --> 00:36:51.360
She looks amazing.

543
00:36:51.420 --> 00:36:52.920
She looks fantastic.

544
00:36:52.980 --> 00:36:53.699
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

545
00:36:53.760 --> 00:36:55.920
And she's teaching at the academy, I hope.

546
00:36:55.980 --> 00:36:58.860
Horrible sort of teefy bones all over the face.

547
00:36:58.920 --> 00:37:00.420
Oh terrific.

548
00:37:00.480 --> 00:37:02.219
A gem dog teacher.

549
00:37:02.280 --> 00:37:03.719
I can't wait.

550
00:37:03.780 --> 00:37:04.500
I cannot wait.

551
00:37:04.980 --> 00:37:06.780
Oh, damn.

552
00:37:06.840 --> 00:37:07.440
Now what's going on?

553
00:37:07.500 --> 00:37:08.400
Back to the escape room now.

554
00:37:08.460 --> 00:37:11.639
Actually, you know, I think this could sell, you know, this escape room.

555
00:37:11.699 --> 00:37:15.179
All right, get out of there in a minute or you're dying a radiation poisoning.

556
00:37:15.300 --> 00:37:18.000
Are you any good with an escape room?

557
00:37:18.059 --> 00:37:19.139
I'm not.

558
00:37:19.199 --> 00:37:20.280
I've never done an escape room.

559
00:37:20.340 --> 00:37:21.480
I don't think it would ship me.

560
00:37:21.539 --> 00:37:21.960
Yeah.

561
00:37:22.019 --> 00:37:25.079
Oh, yeah, I did one with Marva off and he got so angry.

562
00:37:25.139 --> 00:37:26.820
It was like, what's the logic?

563
00:37:26.880 --> 00:37:27.659
Where's the logic in that?

564
00:37:27.719 --> 00:37:29.159
You know, that doesn't make any sense.

565
00:37:29.219 --> 00:37:31.199
I was like, it's supposed to be fun, you know?

566
00:37:32.940 --> 00:37:36.659
Yeah, love...

567
00:37:36.659 --> 00:37:39.360
Do your duty, Malcolm, save your commander's life.

568
00:37:39.420 --> 00:37:41.039
Like, I'd like him.

569
00:37:41.099 --> 00:37:42.239
I think he's really good in this.

570
00:37:42.300 --> 00:37:44.940
Nathan, they look like Burns victims.

571
00:37:45.059 --> 00:37:45.960
Who?

572
00:37:46.019 --> 00:37:47.940
These Tellerrites.

573
00:37:48.000 --> 00:37:48.659
Look at that.

574
00:37:48.659 --> 00:37:49.679
Are they kind of pigs?

575
00:37:49.980 --> 00:37:52.619
Yeah, pigs that have been burned.

576
00:37:52.679 --> 00:37:56.039
No.

577
00:37:56.039 --> 00:38:00.000
I don't want to look at them on the screwing.

578
00:38:00.119 --> 00:38:03.659
I didn't realise we served the Macos on the ship in series 4.

579
00:38:03.900 --> 00:38:05.159
I wondered about that too.

580
00:38:05.219 --> 00:38:06.599
And there's one hot one here.

581
00:38:06.659 --> 00:38:07.860
Look, not that guy.

582
00:38:07.920 --> 00:38:08.940
Yeah, always fan.

583
00:38:09.000 --> 00:38:10.860
No, not Shrak guy, right?

584
00:38:10.920 --> 00:38:11.460
Like that guy.

585
00:38:11.519 --> 00:38:12.000
Look at that.

586
00:38:12.059 --> 00:38:13.559
He looks like a man.

587
00:38:13.619 --> 00:38:15.659
No, I'm back on the teller right now.

588
00:38:15.719 --> 00:38:16.980
We clearly a few seconds apart.

589
00:38:17.039 --> 00:38:19.739
Please tell me you're not talking about that guy.

590
00:38:19.800 --> 00:38:20.880
Fuck you, hell.

591
00:38:20.940 --> 00:38:21.719
No, no, no.

592
00:38:23.699 --> 00:38:28.079
Oh, actually, there's a very hot personal colour there behind.

593
00:38:28.139 --> 00:38:28.800
That's what I mean.

594
00:38:28.860 --> 00:38:29.639
Yeah, that guy.

595
00:38:29.699 --> 00:38:31.079
Yeah, all that, yeah.

596
00:38:31.139 --> 00:38:32.280
White guy's quite nice as well.

597
00:38:32.340 --> 00:38:33.539
That's why they're mad.

598
00:38:33.599 --> 00:38:34.619
Maybe that's why they catch him around.

599
00:38:36.239 --> 00:38:38.760
Not enough pretty people in the cars.

600
00:38:38.820 --> 00:38:47.820
Have they not ever seen, you know, where the Macos come back from a deadly planet and they go to the decontamination chamber and because they're clearly all men.

601
00:38:47.880 --> 00:38:49.079
They have to rub the gel.

602
00:38:49.139 --> 00:38:50.099
Oh, there's one lady.

603
00:38:50.159 --> 00:38:51.539
There's one lady I think.

604
00:38:51.599 --> 00:38:54.599
Oh, they'd all be curing up beyond her, wouldn't they?

605
00:38:54.659 --> 00:38:56.880
So not all of them.

606
00:38:57.119 --> 00:38:58.800
Oh, boy.

607
00:38:58.860 --> 00:39:00.420
I mean, I do like this.

608
00:39:00.480 --> 00:39:02.639
I do like the fact that he brings the blood.

609
00:39:02.699 --> 00:39:03.360
Right.

610
00:39:03.420 --> 00:39:04.440
Is that this bit?

611
00:39:04.500 --> 00:39:05.519
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

612
00:39:05.579 --> 00:39:06.960
And he pours it out for his house.

613
00:39:07.019 --> 00:39:15.599
It's very traumatic and then goes to kill him. this was probably my favourite part of the because I knew he was going to try and go for him.

614
00:39:15.659 --> 00:39:18.239
Do you know, do you know what my favourite part is?

615
00:39:18.300 --> 00:39:37.079
And we kind of missed it, but there's a moment where Shran goes to threaten the doctor, because, you know, Shran arrives to see Talis's body, he knows that she's dead, and the doctor says I did everything I can, and he starts to threaten him, and Archer just says Shran.

616
00:39:37.139 --> 00:39:39.480
And then he goes, yeah, no.

617
00:39:39.539 --> 00:39:40.559
Do you know what I mean?

618
00:39:40.619 --> 00:39:42.119
and just behaves like a normal person.

619
00:39:42.179 --> 00:39:44.099
And it was such a good moment.

620
00:39:44.159 --> 00:39:46.260
Like, it was underplayed by everyone.

621
00:39:46.320 --> 00:39:47.340
Yeah.

622
00:39:47.400 --> 00:39:50.639
Yeah, but you know, that shouldn't be the best moment.

623
00:39:50.639 --> 00:39:53.219
No, but I did think that was pretty good.

624
00:39:53.280 --> 00:40:06.059
And it is that thing because that is the theme here where Shan respects, Archer, and wants to has a job to do, but can't stop himself with his Klingon bull, Klingon bullshit.

625
00:40:06.119 --> 00:40:08.099
His Andorian Star Trek.

626
00:40:08.159 --> 00:40:08.519
No shit.

627
00:40:08.579 --> 00:40:10.500
No, that was a good Freudian slip.

628
00:40:10.559 --> 00:40:11.699
Okay, yeah.

629
00:40:12.300 --> 00:40:14.099
Yeah, basically...

630
00:40:14.639 --> 00:40:15.300
What are we doing?

631
00:40:15.300 --> 00:40:16.260
Wiggling antennas.

632
00:40:16.320 --> 00:40:17.460
Like, I'm sorry.

633
00:40:17.519 --> 00:40:20.820
I mean, the fact that, you know, you look at his acting, Jeffrey Coombs.

634
00:40:20.880 --> 00:40:24.000
Yeah, and yet he's got those...

635
00:40:25.079 --> 00:40:28.559
It just poured a load of ink over that ridiculous bird pig's hand.

636
00:40:28.679 --> 00:40:30.179
I mean what are we watching?

637
00:40:33.900 --> 00:40:36.300
Oh boy, 0 boy.

638
00:40:36.360 --> 00:40:37.500
Oh, back to the escape room.

639
00:40:37.619 --> 00:40:38.579
Okay.

640
00:40:38.639 --> 00:40:39.539
No, it's a good scene.

641
00:40:39.599 --> 00:40:41.880
No, no, I mean, I've taken the piss, but it is a really good scene.

642
00:40:41.940 --> 00:40:56.519
So for me, I think the problem, I think the problem with that is that the big thing is just some dumb Star Trek bullshit, where for the 1000000th time, we have to have a battle to the death between people and it's so boring.

643
00:40:56.579 --> 00:41:02.880
And like, in a way, I sort of think, well, okay, but it is Star Trek, maybe, maybe we're tuning in for that.

644
00:41:03.239 --> 00:41:09.480
I think, you know, that David Livingston may have directed code of honour back in the day.

645
00:41:09.539 --> 00:41:21.000
And, and, you know, because the reason I'm making so many comparisons with that fight with Code of Honour is because they both put things on their arms and clash the arm. they joined as well?

646
00:41:21.059 --> 00:41:22.199
Like are they joined with a role?

647
00:41:22.260 --> 00:41:22.980
I can't remember.

648
00:41:22.980 --> 00:41:31.619
But in code of honour, it's in this fabulous prison cell with glowing jumble matted into this huge cityscape, it looks incredible.

649
00:41:31.619 --> 00:41:35.760
Like, don't get me wrong, everything else about code of honour is hugely problematic.

650
00:41:35.820 --> 00:41:37.739
But that looks amazing.

651
00:41:37.800 --> 00:41:39.960
Whereas this is, it's in a dark room.

652
00:41:40.019 --> 00:41:41.699
The things they've got on their hands.

653
00:41:41.760 --> 00:41:44.039
They certainly don't have big spikes on them. very dull.

654
00:41:44.099 --> 00:41:45.539
It's very hot.

655
00:41:45.659 --> 00:41:47.940
And it is so Klingon, isn't it?

656
00:41:48.000 --> 00:41:50.519
It's so... on my honour.

657
00:41:50.579 --> 00:41:52.920
We have to have this fight with my best friend.

658
00:41:53.159 --> 00:42:01.980
But it's that thing too, where in enterprise, all, like the Tellorites are obnoxious and you have to be rude back to them.

659
00:42:02.159 --> 00:42:06.780
And that's, you know, the focus of the beginning of the 1st episode.

660
00:42:06.840 --> 00:42:09.539
The Vulcans are all racist assholes.

661
00:42:09.599 --> 00:42:11.280
I think they've got better by this point.

662
00:42:11.340 --> 00:42:13.139
Have we had Kershara yet or is it later?

663
00:42:13.199 --> 00:42:13.800
I can't remember.

664
00:42:13.860 --> 00:42:14.639
That's earlier.

665
00:42:14.699 --> 00:42:15.539
No, that's earlier.

666
00:42:15.599 --> 00:42:23.880
Yeah, that's right. because we get that line about Vulcan High Command having been disbanded and stuff. took a long time to make them anywhere near likeable though.

667
00:42:23.940 --> 00:42:27.960
And so we go out there and we're the reasonable ones.

668
00:42:28.019 --> 00:42:44.639
Americans are normal, reasonable people and everyone else is an alien with weird customs who should just get off their shit and behave like Americans. not you were doing a comedy routine in this episode. don't you think?

669
00:42:44.699 --> 00:42:45.659
what's happening?

670
00:42:45.659 --> 00:42:48.539
Isn't that what this episode is saying?

671
00:42:48.599 --> 00:42:51.420
Like, isn't that what Enterprise is saying?

672
00:42:51.659 --> 00:42:54.239
Yes, yes, yes.

673
00:42:54.360 --> 00:42:57.000
Another huge issue with this show.

674
00:42:57.059 --> 00:43:00.059
Americans are sane people. you mad?

675
00:43:00.119 --> 00:43:01.619
Yeah, that's right.

676
00:43:01.619 --> 00:43:06.480
If everyone could just be more normal the way Americans are. right.

677
00:43:06.539 --> 00:43:11.820
Yeah, if you like volleyball and foosball, you know.

678
00:43:15.900 --> 00:43:17.820
Unbelievable.

679
00:43:17.880 --> 00:43:19.619
Isn't it?

680
00:43:19.619 --> 00:43:20.519
Jesus Christ.

681
00:43:20.579 --> 00:43:23.579
I mean, you know, if he's supposed to be the ultimate American archer.

682
00:43:23.639 --> 00:43:26.940
Hoshi shouldn't need to teach him how to be arrogant.

683
00:43:27.059 --> 00:43:28.440
Yeah.

684
00:43:28.440 --> 00:43:34.079
So she gets a bit of a scene, doesn't she, a bit later, but this, I mean, God.

685
00:43:34.139 --> 00:43:35.820
It's called the Ushantor.

686
00:43:35.880 --> 00:43:37.260
It's called a space name.

687
00:43:37.320 --> 00:43:40.500
It's called an Andorian batliff.

688
00:43:40.559 --> 00:43:45.300
No, it's called a nog, double A fight, a nog fight.

689
00:43:45.360 --> 00:43:47.940
Oh, my God. right.

690
00:43:48.000 --> 00:43:50.280
Jesus, those 2 macos.

691
00:43:50.340 --> 00:43:51.000
Did you see them there?

692
00:43:51.059 --> 00:43:54.300
Can they do the fight for Shroud unfortunately?

693
00:43:54.360 --> 00:43:55.920
strip off and do the fine.

694
00:43:55.980 --> 00:44:04.079
And the trouble is, is poor old Scott Bakula and Jeffrey Coombs, they're not, you know, they're not fight artists.

695
00:44:04.139 --> 00:44:08.340
So they just go around the room looking a bit a bit sorry.

696
00:44:08.400 --> 00:44:13.860
Whereas if they, I actually think that that fight is not so badly directed.

697
00:44:13.920 --> 00:44:23.340
Oh, do you not remember the fights we saw when between Marsok and the Jem'adar and Wharf in Purgatory Shadow by Those were terrific fights.

698
00:44:23.400 --> 00:44:26.219
Yeah, but they were more character stuff too.

699
00:44:26.280 --> 00:44:28.079
Like, particularly the wharf stuff.

700
00:44:28.139 --> 00:44:32.099
It was just like, you know, the sound effects were great.

701
00:44:32.159 --> 00:44:38.099
You really felt the punches every time that they were going and they were getting bloody and and...

702
00:44:38.219 --> 00:44:39.119
What's going on here?

703
00:44:39.179 --> 00:44:40.440
This is so stupid.

704
00:44:40.500 --> 00:44:44.880
Like, he knows that it wasn't the tell right to attack his ship.

705
00:44:44.940 --> 00:44:46.980
Why is he being an idiot about it now?

706
00:44:47.039 --> 00:44:48.599
I have to get revenge.

707
00:44:48.659 --> 00:44:51.119
What sort of racist, that's why.

708
00:44:51.179 --> 00:44:52.260
It's just stupid.

709
00:44:52.380 --> 00:44:56.699
You know, like the Tellrite, that Tellrite killed his and this.

710
00:44:56.760 --> 00:45:04.260
So, so where, um, the moment, like you, I knew going in and I hadn't seen this before.

711
00:45:04.380 --> 00:45:05.460
Oh, I knew who he was.

712
00:45:05.460 --> 00:45:06.780
Who is combat?

713
00:45:06.780 --> 00:45:07.860
Oh, okay, all right.

714
00:45:07.920 --> 00:45:09.059
So I'm going to fight you.

715
00:45:09.119 --> 00:45:12.420
And, and, and, and Sharan works it out.

716
00:45:12.480 --> 00:45:19.500
Archer doesn't even tell him, look, Archer, Archer just goes, not the ambassador and smiles, and he goes, you have got to be fucking kidding me.

717
00:45:19.559 --> 00:45:22.860
Like, like, like, If only said that.

718
00:45:22.920 --> 00:45:24.420
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

719
00:45:24.480 --> 00:45:25.440
Yeah.

720
00:45:25.559 --> 00:45:28.380
So I figured this was the get out.

721
00:45:28.440 --> 00:45:31.559
When he said it, I figured Shroud was going to go, oh, all right.

722
00:45:31.619 --> 00:45:32.820
I'm being ridiculous.

723
00:45:32.880 --> 00:45:34.500
No, we still go.

724
00:45:34.500 --> 00:45:38.159
Because we've got another 10 minutes in this episode to Pat out.

725
00:45:38.219 --> 00:45:45.119
And it would have been too, because that's a great moment where he says, call it off and Shran says, I can't.

726
00:45:45.119 --> 00:45:51.480
And like, he can't mainly, like, it is for plot reasons as well, but it is because he's conflicted.

727
00:45:51.539 --> 00:45:52.860
And that is something.

728
00:45:52.860 --> 00:45:53.760
Like, that's something.

729
00:45:53.880 --> 00:45:54.900
That's not true.

730
00:45:54.960 --> 00:45:56.519
Oh, dry ice, a shaky camera.

731
00:45:56.579 --> 00:45:58.320
David Livingston, try harder.

732
00:45:59.519 --> 00:46:02.820
You've been doing this since the early Voyager.

733
00:46:02.880 --> 00:46:13.079
So there's one bit of direction here that you haven't commented on and I am going to absolutely rub your nose in it because it is shockingly bad.

734
00:46:13.139 --> 00:46:14.639
It's coming up.

735
00:46:14.699 --> 00:46:17.280
Is it a revolving drone shot, something like that?

736
00:46:17.340 --> 00:46:18.480
A camera zooming around a room.

737
00:46:18.539 --> 00:46:19.199
It is.

738
00:46:19.260 --> 00:46:28.079
You know, I, every time I see the fella, you know, you know the fella in the technology there with all the glowing wires.

739
00:46:28.139 --> 00:46:31.139
It's given me huge lawmower man vibes.

740
00:46:31.199 --> 00:46:32.159
Yeah, yeah.

741
00:46:32.219 --> 00:46:33.780
Oh, no, I think it's probably...

742
00:46:33.900 --> 00:46:38.099
I wish we could see from his point of view, though, because they could do freaky effects and things, you know?

743
00:46:38.159 --> 00:46:40.440
You're supposed to kind of forget about him a bit.

744
00:46:40.500 --> 00:46:41.820
Do you know what I mean?

745
00:46:41.880 --> 00:46:42.960
Which makes the...

746
00:46:42.960 --> 00:46:44.039
He's always there in the shop.

747
00:46:44.099 --> 00:46:49.619
Yeah, I know, but they don't emphasise him too much and it becomes more of a thing later on.

748
00:46:50.460 --> 00:46:55.440
Oh, God, this is just like, we know Archer is not going to be killed.

749
00:46:55.500 --> 00:47:00.840
Why are we doing this scene with Tapao who's crossed that he's going to be fighting him. like, fuck's sake.

750
00:47:00.900 --> 00:47:07.320
Well, I've not seen an egregious, you know, when Dax was going in Meridian and everyone was coming to say goodbye to her.

751
00:47:07.380 --> 00:47:08.099
It's like that.

752
00:47:08.159 --> 00:47:11.820
It's like, we know this is not going to be the end of this character.

753
00:47:11.880 --> 00:47:21.900
Except again, this scene is about how aliens are weird and unreasonable and human beings are properly rational and good at making decisions.

754
00:47:22.559 --> 00:47:26.820
Do you remember in a night at Sick Bay, whether he reached the decision.

755
00:47:26.880 --> 00:47:29.519
Well, I'm just going to have to do that weird alien.

756
00:47:29.579 --> 00:47:30.239
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

757
00:47:30.539 --> 00:47:32.099
That's it.

758
00:47:32.159 --> 00:47:36.179
Aliens that are all on their bullshit, you know, and then we just have to wear them.

759
00:47:36.539 --> 00:47:39.420
That's why I like DS9 so much.

760
00:47:39.480 --> 00:47:43.019
All the aliens think they're humans are irrrational and stupid.

761
00:47:43.079 --> 00:47:44.699
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's much better.

762
00:47:44.760 --> 00:47:46.619
But, Nathan, I can get behind.

763
00:47:46.679 --> 00:47:48.179
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

764
00:47:48.239 --> 00:47:52.380
So here we actually have these two.

765
00:47:52.440 --> 00:47:56.699
So we've got Travis and Hoshi who actually get to interact with one another.

766
00:47:56.760 --> 00:48:01.320
Can you see the scratch on, um, what's the fellow's name?

767
00:48:01.380 --> 00:48:03.239
I don't know the actor's name at all.

768
00:48:03.300 --> 00:48:04.380
We never talk about him.

769
00:48:04.440 --> 00:48:06.000
Anthony Montcalm.

770
00:48:06.059 --> 00:48:12.900
Yeah, that's the scratch that she gave him when they were fighting over the pin to highlight the scrich. because they had a scene together.

771
00:48:13.860 --> 00:48:15.960
It's quite refreshing.

772
00:48:16.559 --> 00:48:16.920
It is.

773
00:48:16.980 --> 00:48:17.699
It is.

774
00:48:17.760 --> 00:48:21.900
Like, and they've given him something to do, and he solves the problem.

775
00:48:21.960 --> 00:48:23.340
He solves the problem.

776
00:48:23.400 --> 00:48:36.420
So, look, they've got all got their Windows CE phones here on the table and then they're looking at them and watch the fucking camera because this is such a boring scene, but the camera never, ever, ever stops moving.

777
00:48:36.420 --> 00:48:39.300
And it keeps going around them as if...

778
00:48:39.300 --> 00:48:40.559
It's going quite slowly, though.

779
00:48:40.619 --> 00:48:45.480
You complained in discovery when there was much less movement than that.

780
00:48:45.539 --> 00:48:49.139
Why is the camera going around and around this boring scene?

781
00:48:49.199 --> 00:48:50.760
Yeah, like you would do that.

782
00:48:50.820 --> 00:48:51.480
That's why.

783
00:48:51.480 --> 00:48:52.559
That's why.

784
00:48:52.619 --> 00:48:53.280
That's the.

785
00:48:53.340 --> 00:48:55.199
But you do that, don't you?

786
00:48:55.260 --> 00:49:01.500
Like, if they're interacting between one another quickly and if there's a lot going on and there's urgency.

787
00:49:01.559 --> 00:49:02.639
Why you doing it here?

788
00:49:02.699 --> 00:49:05.639
I know it means that we're not doing over over 2 shot.

789
00:49:05.699 --> 00:49:07.260
It is a little bit more interesting and stuff.

790
00:49:07.320 --> 00:49:08.940
Oh, actually, well, you're very strange.

791
00:49:09.000 --> 00:49:10.440
But he's not.

792
00:49:10.500 --> 00:49:11.880
He's not going round and around.

793
00:49:11.940 --> 00:49:13.320
He keeps resetting the camera.

794
00:49:13.320 --> 00:49:14.639
I'm starting again.

795
00:49:14.699 --> 00:49:16.019
So it looks even more.

796
00:49:16.019 --> 00:49:17.219
What are we doing?

797
00:49:19.559 --> 00:49:23.159
This is, I'll tell you what, this is the road to hell.

798
00:49:23.219 --> 00:49:25.619
The path to discovery.

799
00:49:25.920 --> 00:49:29.940
No, but discovery, you know, there's some urgency.

800
00:49:30.000 --> 00:49:32.880
It's not we're all standing around reading the rules.

801
00:49:33.179 --> 00:49:39.300
Are you trying to suggest that Discovery is all so uninteresting that they have to zoom around the rooms all the time?

802
00:49:39.960 --> 00:49:42.719
That is not a gauge of quality.

803
00:49:42.780 --> 00:49:43.380
All right?

804
00:49:43.440 --> 00:49:44.820
saying it's better than this.

805
00:49:45.300 --> 00:49:46.679
Yes.

806
00:49:46.739 --> 00:49:47.880
Oh, my God.

807
00:49:47.940 --> 00:49:49.739
Look at these gloves that they're wearing.

808
00:49:49.980 --> 00:49:52.500
They look so lightweight.

809
00:49:52.559 --> 00:49:58.380
Like, like, in the code of honour, they're burnished gold, method.

810
00:49:58.440 --> 00:49:58.860
Yeah, yeah.

811
00:49:58.920 --> 00:50:01.800
Well, they look a bit like tinfoil, but they go for it.

812
00:50:01.920 --> 00:50:06.960
And they've got these enormous spikes that you got hit with that thing.

813
00:50:07.019 --> 00:50:09.360
You're going down and they're poison tipped as well.

814
00:50:09.420 --> 00:50:11.460
No, but these are defensive.

815
00:50:11.519 --> 00:50:16.079
You're supposed to be hitting the face with the ice pick or whatever it is, the ice scraper.

816
00:50:16.139 --> 00:50:17.039
What's that?

817
00:50:17.099 --> 00:50:18.239
I don't even know what it's for.

818
00:50:18.300 --> 00:50:19.079
It's terrible.

819
00:50:19.139 --> 00:50:20.579
Absolute.

820
00:50:20.639 --> 00:50:21.840
They look like bloody trumpets.

821
00:50:24.840 --> 00:50:26.340
All right.

822
00:50:26.400 --> 00:50:28.559
So we've established... you get one on both hands?

823
00:50:28.619 --> 00:50:32.099
Oh, I see, because you've got the ice cream, you've got your thing.

824
00:50:32.159 --> 00:50:47.219
And see, again, you know, like, again, he's saying, I'm, I have to do this, but I respect you and, you know, you're doing the right thing because he's making it possible for the alliance to continue because trans determined to be a prick about it.

825
00:50:47.519 --> 00:50:51.659
Stupid bloody rule of having them tie it together.

826
00:50:51.719 --> 00:50:56.099
So ridiculous. so that he can unexpectedly choke him with it.

827
00:50:56.460 --> 00:50:58.260
Just terrible.

828
00:50:58.260 --> 00:50:59.340
And so no one can run away.

829
00:50:59.400 --> 00:51:03.119
Oh, because actually, no, I saw some stuntmen in there for a second.

830
00:51:03.119 --> 00:51:04.260
There are some men in there.

831
00:51:04.320 --> 00:51:06.000
During the more dynamic moments.

832
00:51:06.059 --> 00:51:07.380
Yeah, yeah, there definitely are.

833
00:51:07.440 --> 00:51:09.960
Sorry, Geoffrey, you're much better a bit.

834
00:51:09.960 --> 00:51:11.880
Yeah, you know, over on PS9.

835
00:51:13.079 --> 00:51:16.079
So I'm mincing your way into rooms.

836
00:51:16.139 --> 00:51:17.760
You're much more accomplished at that.

837
00:51:19.440 --> 00:51:22.739
I'm just trying to make you look good in front of your soldiers.

838
00:51:22.800 --> 00:51:26.280
Can you feel the testosterone in the room right now?

839
00:51:26.340 --> 00:51:30.659
everyone's just standing around in this tiny set as well.

840
00:51:31.139 --> 00:51:33.059
Oh, I do like that.

841
00:51:33.119 --> 00:51:34.559
I forgot that there was a bit of blood.

842
00:51:34.619 --> 00:51:35.820
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

843
00:51:35.940 --> 00:51:36.659
You know.

844
00:51:36.719 --> 00:51:40.500
Please don't do a close-up on Shroud in HD that I can see as flaky makeup.

845
00:51:40.619 --> 00:51:44.039
Or the neck, like the neck, skin on his neck.

846
00:51:46.980 --> 00:51:49.079
Scott, calm down.

847
00:51:49.139 --> 00:51:52.079
I can't breathe But that's not skin.

848
00:51:52.139 --> 00:51:52.800
That's later.

849
00:51:53.639 --> 00:52:00.239
Oh, no, there you go. out to the end break and then we just cut the thing off.

850
00:52:00.300 --> 00:52:02.579
I mean shouldn't he have killed him?

851
00:52:02.639 --> 00:52:04.139
Why did he just chop his antenna off?

852
00:52:04.199 --> 00:52:08.460
Well, because he doesn't want to kill him because if he kills Shran, what happens?

853
00:52:08.519 --> 00:52:09.840
That was the thing.

854
00:52:09.900 --> 00:52:11.400
Archer had to die.

855
00:52:11.460 --> 00:52:17.940
If he kills Shran, then the Andorians will all fuck off and not join in the thing and then they can't detect the drone.

856
00:52:18.059 --> 00:52:23.159
Unfortunately, now he's got half an antennae and that's still wiggling.

857
00:52:23.219 --> 00:52:25.500
It looks even more ridiculous.

858
00:52:25.619 --> 00:52:28.500
And that will be all there next week as well.

859
00:52:28.559 --> 00:52:30.780
Oh, boy, 0 boy.

860
00:52:30.840 --> 00:52:31.619
Does he grow it back then?

861
00:52:31.739 --> 00:52:38.760
Well, that's what we discover it takes, but it takes 9 months to grow back, although the doctor says he could make it happen in 4.5 months.

862
00:52:38.820 --> 00:52:42.900
Dr. Beverly could have done it in the ad break, all right, with her usual skill.

863
00:52:42.960 --> 00:52:44.280
The final ad break.

864
00:52:47.340 --> 00:52:49.980
Quick when he came to McBadden just for one scene.

865
00:52:50.400 --> 00:52:52.139
Oh, boy.

866
00:52:52.199 --> 00:52:54.780
Look, it's got a little sort of plaster on the end of it as well.

867
00:52:54.840 --> 00:52:55.980
Very cute.

868
00:52:56.099 --> 00:52:59.820
So some people would say, I'm not taking this episode too seriously.

869
00:53:00.300 --> 00:53:03.539
I mean, it's just so cliche.

870
00:53:03.599 --> 00:53:13.260
Like, there is something good about it and Shran is the best character in the episode as always, but it is just sort of usual. wasting crime.

871
00:53:13.320 --> 00:53:15.119
This was the point.

872
00:53:15.179 --> 00:53:16.860
So the ships start coming in, yeah.

873
00:53:16.920 --> 00:53:20.340
And I was just so aware of the plotty direction.

874
00:53:20.460 --> 00:53:28.199
And it took me back to Azati Prime, where we were swinging around that ship.

875
00:53:28.260 --> 00:53:29.579
There was people.

876
00:53:29.579 --> 00:53:34.920
I mean, we didn't like it, but there was people in flames. were coming down the bloody ceiling fell in.

877
00:53:35.400 --> 00:53:38.280
I was like, oh, why are we doing this?

878
00:53:38.340 --> 00:53:40.019
It's because it's David Livingston.

879
00:53:40.079 --> 00:53:40.679
He's given up.

880
00:53:40.739 --> 00:53:42.239
Yeah, I think you're right.

881
00:53:42.300 --> 00:53:50.099
He was so exhausted by planning that very boring scene with Ocean and Travis. moving the camera around.

882
00:53:50.159 --> 00:53:51.659
He'd run out of feet today.

883
00:53:51.719 --> 00:53:53.880
Oh my god, I've got a great idea to suit this up.

884
00:53:55.440 --> 00:53:58.619
Can you put a camera on a pendulum, right?

885
00:53:58.679 --> 00:53:59.099
There we go.

886
00:54:01.679 --> 00:54:03.659
Yeah, see, that's great.

887
00:54:03.719 --> 00:54:04.679
Now it's a Vulcan ship.

888
00:54:05.099 --> 00:54:11.280
Also, as well, I was very aware as well that the music just was not doing it in this scene.

889
00:54:11.340 --> 00:54:16.440
And occasionally, they bring in drums and things like that in enterprise.

890
00:54:16.500 --> 00:54:22.440
The music was not all bad this episode, but I don't think they managed to land this cliffhanger.

891
00:54:22.500 --> 00:54:28.260
Well, it's not quite the cliffhanger because it is, this scene, this, some plot resolves itself, doesn't it?

892
00:54:28.320 --> 00:54:31.079
We go off and do something different next next week.

893
00:54:31.139 --> 00:54:32.519
I just think as well.

894
00:54:32.579 --> 00:54:37.320
I know you said that like you found some dramatic interest in them talking over the intercom.

895
00:54:37.380 --> 00:54:40.440
Just keeping the Romulans away from the main action.

896
00:54:40.500 --> 00:54:42.480
It's just so boring.

897
00:54:42.539 --> 00:54:45.059
It's like, how can they make an impact?

898
00:54:45.360 --> 00:54:48.300
I just, I don't...

899
00:54:48.360 --> 00:54:51.539
But but I think it is, it is the toy box.

900
00:54:51.599 --> 00:54:52.320
Do you know what I mean?

901
00:54:52.380 --> 00:54:58.679
The TOS toy box where we have to get all our action figures out and have them all involved in this sort of seminal moment.

902
00:54:58.739 --> 00:55:03.960
Like, I think it's a good decision. much better versions of this, though, elsewhere this season.

903
00:55:04.019 --> 00:55:11.280
You know, the the toy box they got out in that alternative universe, 2 parts, the folian web, the gorn.

904
00:55:11.639 --> 00:55:12.719
Yeah, yeah, come on.

905
00:55:12.780 --> 00:55:13.679
That was pretty great.

906
00:55:13.739 --> 00:55:16.199
And they were, because we were in the alternative universe.

907
00:55:16.260 --> 00:55:18.119
They absolutely were part of the main action.

908
00:55:18.179 --> 00:55:19.260
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

909
00:55:20.400 --> 00:55:23.579
Take the emissions out, don't puncture the whole.

910
00:55:23.639 --> 00:55:25.980
Zoom, zoom, fire, fire.

911
00:55:26.039 --> 00:55:26.460
Yeah.

912
00:55:27.000 --> 00:55:30.179
I mean, it's it's sort of strange, isn't it?

913
00:55:30.239 --> 00:55:37.559
Because you want this to set up, um, like, I think this is the closest it gets to setting up the Federation, don't you think?

914
00:55:37.619 --> 00:55:43.559
I mean, there's that terrible conference, the 2 part, the real 2 part finale for Enterprise.

915
00:55:43.619 --> 00:55:45.300
Oh, the pitches on the walls.

916
00:55:45.360 --> 00:55:46.019
Do you remember?

917
00:55:46.800 --> 00:55:52.559
And some weird hotel that I went to share. yeah Conference room.

918
00:55:52.619 --> 00:55:53.219
Terrible.

919
00:55:53.280 --> 00:55:55.500
Well, no, we actually saw it, didn't we?

920
00:55:55.559 --> 00:55:58.860
in flash forwards or flashback.

921
00:55:58.920 --> 00:55:59.880
Yeah, yeah.

922
00:55:59.940 --> 00:56:02.159
I still not entirely sure in the last episode.

923
00:56:02.280 --> 00:56:03.659
We did see it in the last episode.

924
00:56:03.719 --> 00:56:11.159
But it was always going to be a flash forward because this is said in 2154 and the Federation is founded in 2161.

925
00:56:11.639 --> 00:56:13.739
I do like this spinning ship.

926
00:56:14.519 --> 00:56:17.880
I think they take that from Babel one.

927
00:56:18.000 --> 00:56:19.619
Oh really?

928
00:56:19.679 --> 00:56:23.280
Yeah, I think it's a, it's like the... the...

929
00:56:23.280 --> 00:56:25.440
It's sort of a precursor to Discovery, isn't it?

930
00:56:25.500 --> 00:56:27.599
Do it a little spin and then popping off.

931
00:56:27.659 --> 00:56:28.139
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

932
00:56:28.199 --> 00:56:28.980
I think it looks really cool.

933
00:56:29.039 --> 00:56:29.880
I think it is cool.

934
00:56:29.940 --> 00:56:32.219
But yeah, they have difficulty tracking the...

935
00:56:32.280 --> 00:56:33.840
The camera, we're in an action sequence.

936
00:56:33.900 --> 00:56:34.860
The camera's not moving.

937
00:56:34.920 --> 00:56:39.179
So, like, just we're all just standing around the centre.

938
00:56:39.239 --> 00:56:42.539
No one's even like throwing themselves about the set like they wouldn't tear off.

939
00:56:42.599 --> 00:56:43.619
Yep, yeah.

940
00:56:43.679 --> 00:56:46.619
Yeah, take the cameras more mobile.

941
00:56:46.679 --> 00:56:52.199
God, that Romulan's wearing a lot of makeup, isn't he, the Romulan scientist?

942
00:56:52.260 --> 00:56:54.300
We go jumping out into space.

943
00:56:54.360 --> 00:57:00.840
I suppose that's something, I suppose, although we did do that the other week in minefields.

944
00:57:00.900 --> 00:57:02.699
Well, that was a while ago.

945
00:57:02.699 --> 00:57:03.900
Kind of 2 years ago.

946
00:57:04.260 --> 00:57:07.679
Oh, it was only a month ago for us, though.

947
00:57:08.579 --> 00:57:18.599
Longer than that. 20 seconds to warp, my God, we've got company, alliance ships.

948
00:57:18.659 --> 00:57:19.559
Tell them not to fire.

949
00:57:19.619 --> 00:57:22.500
I mean, the script's trying to do some work to make it exciting.

950
00:57:22.559 --> 00:57:23.219
Yeah, yeah.

951
00:57:23.280 --> 00:57:23.940
Oh, look, the camera.

952
00:57:24.000 --> 00:57:25.139
We had a whip pan across there.

953
00:57:25.199 --> 00:57:26.099
You've noticed that?

954
00:57:26.159 --> 00:57:26.639
That was something.

955
00:57:26.699 --> 00:57:31.139
Oh my god, a whole flotilla of ships emerging around them flying in space.

956
00:57:31.199 --> 00:57:36.059
And in fact, there is an important thing there, isn't it?

957
00:57:36.119 --> 00:57:50.579
Because it's the, it's Vulcan and Dorian and Tellorite chips. and we'll see them out the window later to establish this new alliance that we're forming, the united of the title.

958
00:57:50.699 --> 00:57:53.820
Just as a paste bit of television, yeah.

959
00:57:53.880 --> 00:57:58.679
You cannot have 35 minutes of nothing happening.

960
00:57:58.679 --> 00:58:01.920
And then 2.5 minutes of go, go, go.

961
00:58:01.980 --> 00:58:04.920
And the space strips firing, flotillas appearing.

962
00:58:04.980 --> 00:58:07.559
You'd be like, why don't you stagger this stuff from the episode?

963
00:58:07.800 --> 00:58:09.719
That's a pretty good.

964
00:58:09.780 --> 00:58:11.760
No, you want a sort of climax.

965
00:58:11.820 --> 00:58:12.360
That's all right.

966
00:58:12.420 --> 00:58:14.639
With enterprise sort of flying into shot.

967
00:58:14.699 --> 00:58:22.139
No, so this scene here, which is just men bantering with each other in a way that I just think is unpleasant.

968
00:58:22.199 --> 00:58:27.420
Like, and it does make, and it makes Tripp seem like an asshole.

969
00:58:28.260 --> 00:58:31.619
No, I mean, they were doing that in series one, weren't they?

970
00:58:31.679 --> 00:58:34.320
Well, I'm not going to be...

971
00:58:34.320 --> 00:58:35.519
Blah, blah, blah.

972
00:58:35.639 --> 00:58:37.800
Like, it's just putting you on report.

973
00:58:37.860 --> 00:58:39.659
And look, I saved your life.

974
00:58:39.719 --> 00:58:42.539
Yeah, yeah, yeah. disobeyed a direct order, you know.

975
00:58:42.599 --> 00:58:43.860
Yeah.

976
00:58:43.920 --> 00:58:44.699
Yeah.

977
00:58:44.760 --> 00:58:45.840
Oh, God.

978
00:58:45.900 --> 00:58:49.320
No, but jeez, he's got such a lovely smile.

979
00:58:49.380 --> 00:58:50.099
It's so pretty.

980
00:58:50.159 --> 00:58:58.559
He's so pretty, but it's just like, it's, that's just locker room, literally in a locker room, doing banter, and it's just, that's what they think is funny.

981
00:58:58.679 --> 00:59:01.199
It's like they can't be just not for us, though.

982
00:59:01.260 --> 00:59:03.420
Maybe we need to get straight back.

983
00:59:03.480 --> 00:59:05.699
Maybe it's entertainment for dumb people.

984
00:59:05.820 --> 00:59:08.159
Like, it just strikes me.

985
00:59:08.159 --> 00:59:10.079
Like, see that shot out the window.

986
00:59:10.139 --> 00:59:10.980
I think is really great.

987
00:59:11.039 --> 00:59:13.800
No, it's just like, it's just mean banter.

988
00:59:13.860 --> 00:59:15.119
There's no wit involved.

989
00:59:15.179 --> 00:59:16.199
No one's clever.

990
00:59:16.260 --> 00:59:18.480
Do you see that teller right there?

991
00:59:18.539 --> 00:59:20.039
I think he shampooed his hair.

992
00:59:20.099 --> 00:59:21.960
How lustrous does his hair rack?

993
00:59:22.019 --> 00:59:22.800
It looks great.

994
00:59:22.860 --> 00:59:28.619
I thought it was a woman for a second. show us a teller I want to play.

995
00:59:28.679 --> 00:59:29.460
Tell her out with him.

996
00:59:30.420 --> 00:59:32.519
I don't look like that, do they?

997
00:59:32.579 --> 00:59:33.840
I can't remember.

998
00:59:33.900 --> 00:59:35.340
Oh boy.

999
00:59:35.400 --> 00:59:37.920
The makeup changes quite a lot with Tellerites.

1000
00:59:38.039 --> 00:59:38.639
It's a thing.

1001
00:59:38.699 --> 00:59:40.139
Why is Jolene in the scene?

1002
00:59:40.199 --> 00:59:41.099
She doesn't have a line.

1003
00:59:41.219 --> 00:59:43.980
She just stands there looking decorous.

1004
00:59:44.039 --> 00:59:45.059
Yeah.

1005
00:59:45.119 --> 00:59:47.579
Well, she's decorative.

1006
00:59:47.639 --> 00:59:50.099
I do always love these out the window shots, you know?

1007
00:59:50.159 --> 00:59:51.300
Yeah, yeah, coming out.

1008
00:59:51.360 --> 00:59:51.960
That's really good.

1009
00:59:52.019 --> 00:59:55.619
But out the window and they're all those ships together at last, united.

1010
00:59:55.679 --> 00:59:56.639
Like, that's the thing.

1011
00:59:56.699 --> 00:59:59.099
And there's a great moment actually in the next episode.

1012
00:59:59.159 --> 01:00:00.719
Oh, look at that, Nathan.

1013
01:00:00.780 --> 01:00:01.619
Yeah, it's not good.

1014
01:00:01.679 --> 01:00:03.300
That pan in on the city.

1015
01:00:03.360 --> 01:00:10.199
That's great But to be fair, the only moments I've truly praised our CGI special effect shots in this.

1016
01:00:10.380 --> 01:00:25.320
There's a thing that a Romulan senator comes in and complains next week that actually all they've managed to achieve so far is getting the Andorians and Tellorites to work together, which is literally the opposite of what they were trying to achieve.

1017
01:00:25.380 --> 01:00:28.380
Do you know what I would have ended this on?

1018
01:00:28.440 --> 01:00:32.880
Because, like, I had such a nonplus reaction to that helmet coming off.

1019
01:00:32.940 --> 01:00:35.099
I would have ended it on the shot of the ships.

1020
01:00:35.159 --> 01:00:36.960
I done a hopeful cliffhanger for once.

1021
01:00:37.019 --> 01:00:48.480
No, so I think that the episode ends with that shot on the ships and then this is our, you know, let's go back and see the Romulans and motivate the next episode.

1022
01:00:48.539 --> 01:00:50.280
So I think that it does end.

1023
01:00:50.400 --> 01:00:57.900
You know, that episode ends properly in a good way and then just has a final tag scene as a teaser for the next week.

1024
01:00:57.960 --> 01:01:00.840
And I think that's a perfectly reasonable way of doing it.

1025
01:01:00.900 --> 01:01:04.199
And it is a cliffhanger where it's like, wait, what?

1026
01:01:04.320 --> 01:01:07.139
What have I just seen?

1027
01:01:07.320 --> 01:01:09.780
And that's how the episode begins.

1028
01:01:09.840 --> 01:01:14.280
What are, you know, like he's an Andorian, but he's white rather than blue.

1029
01:01:14.340 --> 01:01:16.860
He's blind, you know, what is it with that?

1030
01:01:16.920 --> 01:01:20.219
And then we discover, you know, what that is.

1031
01:01:20.940 --> 01:01:28.260
Maybe again, you know, I said it at the start, I'll say it at the end, I'm coming in in the middle.

1032
01:01:28.320 --> 01:01:31.619
So I'm just not getting the importance of any of it.

1033
01:01:31.679 --> 01:01:32.760
And, you know, who does this?

1034
01:01:32.820 --> 01:01:39.000
Like, I don't think anybody, when this went out, would just randomly watch one episode that is, well, maybe they would actually.

1035
01:01:39.059 --> 01:01:40.380
Maybe that's why nobody was watching.

1036
01:01:40.440 --> 01:01:43.860
I mean, that's the problem.

1037
01:01:43.920 --> 01:01:54.539
I think with series 4 that I think generally series 4 gets the nearly gets the, um, it nearly gets the serialisation right.

1038
01:01:54.599 --> 01:02:01.440
And here, for instance, giving us a story that ends and then having a cliffhanger to launch into the next episode.

1039
01:02:01.500 --> 01:02:02.099
That's good.

1040
01:02:02.159 --> 01:02:05.940
So we feel like we've achieved something by watching this episode.

1041
01:02:06.000 --> 01:02:11.460
But generally speaking, when you tune in for a 3rd of a thing, do you know what I mean?

1042
01:02:11.519 --> 01:02:13.860
Like that's not. that's not that satisfying.

1043
01:02:13.920 --> 01:02:17.940
And it's not what they've been delivering. for 15 odd years, is it?

1044
01:02:18.000 --> 01:02:18.360
right.

1045
01:02:18.420 --> 01:02:31.920
But we, I mean, we have the same problem tuning into an episode of Discovery or an episode of Picard as well. season-long arc, because they're season-long arcs rather than 3 weeks.

1046
01:02:31.980 --> 01:02:37.559
We've never struggled more than when we did that Picard series 2 episode recently where I was like, where the hell am I in this thing?

1047
01:02:37.619 --> 01:02:38.880
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1048
01:02:38.940 --> 01:02:39.659
Yeah.

1049
01:02:39.719 --> 01:02:41.760
So like you're in the middle of a thing.

1050
01:02:41.820 --> 01:02:44.280
So it is kind of understandable.

1051
01:02:44.340 --> 01:02:47.820
I think the problem here isn't that we're watching a 3rd of a thing, though.

1052
01:02:47.880 --> 01:02:52.980
It's just that it's too fairly kind of by the numbers plots, really.

1053
01:02:53.039 --> 01:02:56.280
Oh, it is the midest mid I think we've done in some time.

1054
01:02:56.340 --> 01:03:01.019
And you know, I said to you, like, I don't think my heart raced once.

1055
01:03:01.079 --> 01:03:05.340
And my heart can race for Star Trek in many, many ways, yeah?

1056
01:03:05.400 --> 01:03:19.500
Whether it's an outstanding performance, whether it's a shock moment, you know, whether it's a terrific piece of writing, whether it's, you know, a truly ghastly, embarrassing slice of television, but this wasn't even that, it was perfectly competent television.

1057
01:03:19.559 --> 01:03:30.239
It would absolutely, you know, if you were going around with a clipboard and it would, you'd be able to tick off every part of it without ever sort of giving it more than 5 out of 10.

1058
01:03:30.420 --> 01:03:33.179
I have to say that I didn't hate it.

1059
01:03:33.239 --> 01:03:36.239
And I did watch all 3 episodes and I had quite a good time.

1060
01:03:36.300 --> 01:03:49.139
But when I compare that to my reaction to watching the Keshara 3 parter, which I thought was just vastly better and more interesting than this or the mirror darkly 2 parter.

1061
01:03:49.199 --> 01:03:50.579
Now the augments one.

1062
01:03:50.639 --> 01:03:51.840
I don't know if you remember.

1063
01:03:51.900 --> 01:03:52.619
Have you seen the three?

1064
01:03:52.619 --> 01:03:53.760
Yeah.

1065
01:03:53.820 --> 01:04:00.539
So in the middle episode, they put they, I think, cleverly put in the most striking moment where the man is tortured.

1066
01:04:00.599 --> 01:04:05.039
And yeah, and it's unforgettable. there was something like that here.

1067
01:04:05.099 --> 01:04:08.579
At least you'd come away with like something to remember.

1068
01:04:08.639 --> 01:04:18.300
I won't remember this in years to come when I look back on untitled Star Trek project, the completed project of all 5000000 episodes that we do and go, God, you remember United.

1069
01:04:18.360 --> 01:04:19.679
What a banger, yeah.

1070
01:04:19.739 --> 01:04:21.539
Yeah, yeah.

1071
01:04:21.599 --> 01:04:23.460
I'm pretty confident that won't happen.

1072
01:04:29.760 --> 01:04:36.420
All right, it's the end of the episode and it is time for us to work out where we're going next.

1073
01:04:36.480 --> 01:04:40.500
Naturally enterprise was my choice as always.

1074
01:04:40.559 --> 01:04:52.500
I don't think you've ever willingly chosen it, Joe. So that means we're going somewhere else and perhaps you would like to tell us which series we're picking this time.

1075
01:04:52.679 --> 01:04:56.159
Why don't you tell me which series we're picking this time?

1076
01:04:56.400 --> 01:04:59.039
No, not this time, no.

1077
01:04:59.099 --> 01:05:00.420
No, no, no, no.

1078
01:05:00.480 --> 01:05:09.960
Well, we did a superb episode of Kersman Trek, which we thoroughly enjoyed, and then just a very average episode... of Enterprise.

1079
01:05:10.019 --> 01:05:12.780
So, you know, me, I never want to stray too far from the 90s.

1080
01:05:12.840 --> 01:05:16.440
So I put in all 3 of the 90s shows, minus Enterprise.

1081
01:05:16.500 --> 01:05:20.039
Okay, that sounds like a great...

1082
01:05:20.099 --> 01:05:22.980
We're sort of underrunning in percentage wise.

1083
01:05:23.039 --> 01:05:25.800
Whereas I'll never say no to TS9.

1084
01:05:25.980 --> 01:05:28.380
So, you know, let's see what happens.

1085
01:05:28.440 --> 01:05:29.519
Okay.

1086
01:05:30.000 --> 01:05:32.579
Oh, this is a no, I'm afraid.

1087
01:05:32.639 --> 01:05:35.280
We can't do all the season 7 episodes of Voyager.

1088
01:05:35.400 --> 01:05:37.500
We've got to cover...

1089
01:05:37.500 --> 01:05:39.599
Season seven, episode four, repression.

1090
01:05:40.139 --> 01:05:48.179
I think that's the one that's the one where they remember there are marquee on the ship and someone's going around murdering them all.

1091
01:05:48.480 --> 01:05:51.000
Do we bring back someone and kill them?

1092
01:05:51.059 --> 01:05:52.199
like Hogan or something?

1093
01:05:52.260 --> 01:05:53.400
Yeah, something like that.

1094
01:05:53.460 --> 01:05:56.880
And then Tuvox investigating the murder.

1095
01:05:56.880 --> 01:05:59.400
And then, of course, it turns out.

1096
01:05:59.460 --> 01:06:08.400
It was him and a Bajoran from the Alpha Quadrant is somehow controlling Tuvok in the Delta Quadrant to kill all the marquee members.

1097
01:06:08.460 --> 01:06:09.599
Okay, that sounds terrible.

1098
01:06:10.139 --> 01:06:13.019
And you spoiled it completely for me now.

1099
01:06:13.079 --> 01:06:14.699
Sorry about that.

1100
01:06:14.760 --> 01:06:17.340
Oh, fuck me. not doing this one either.

1101
01:06:17.400 --> 01:06:20.159
Sorry, it's been a while since I pressed the button a lot.

1102
01:06:20.219 --> 01:06:21.239
I'm going to do it today.

1103
01:06:21.360 --> 01:06:23.280
Season one of Voyager.

1104
01:06:23.400 --> 01:06:24.360
Cathexis.

1105
01:06:26.159 --> 01:06:29.519
That's the one where, uh, Chakotay has a spirit.

1106
01:06:29.519 --> 01:06:32.219
It's flying around the ship inhabiting people.

1107
01:06:32.280 --> 01:06:33.840
No, it's terrible.

1108
01:06:34.199 --> 01:06:36.300
Oh no, thank you.

1109
01:06:36.360 --> 01:06:38.340
I'm like, it's all duds I'm getting.

1110
01:06:38.400 --> 01:06:42.780
Your random Star Trek D Space 9 episode of season one, episode four, A Man Alone.

1111
01:06:42.840 --> 01:06:44.519
It's the 1st proper dud.

1112
01:06:44.579 --> 01:06:45.420
Yeah, yeah.

1113
01:06:45.420 --> 01:06:46.079
Of DS9.

1114
01:06:46.440 --> 01:06:50.219
I mean, we will have to...

1115
01:06:51.300 --> 01:06:56.699
Your Adam Star Trek D Space 9 episode is a true classic.

1116
01:06:57.659 --> 01:07:02.039
Season two, episode 8 necessary evil.

1117
01:07:03.239 --> 01:07:05.940
Which is great.

1118
01:07:06.239 --> 01:07:09.300
But I don't know if we need to do a few mids.

1119
01:07:09.360 --> 01:07:10.380
Do you think?

1120
01:07:10.800 --> 01:07:12.420
I don't know.

1121
01:07:13.260 --> 01:07:15.900
No, I'll press it again. so sorry.

1122
01:07:15.960 --> 01:07:16.800
You're right.

1123
01:07:16.860 --> 01:07:17.460
Oh let's do this.

1124
01:07:17.519 --> 01:07:18.480
This will be fun.

1125
01:07:18.539 --> 01:07:22.320
It's mostly pretty terrible, but good, good.

1126
01:07:22.440 --> 01:07:24.239
But it's really fun.

1127
01:07:24.300 --> 01:07:27.480
Season two, episode 8 of Voyager.

1128
01:07:27.539 --> 01:07:29.099
Persistence of Vision.

1129
01:07:29.579 --> 01:07:37.739
It's the one where Carolyn Seymour turns up in Janeway's quarters with a big knife going, we don't want more trouble.

1130
01:07:38.039 --> 01:07:39.420
Okay.

1131
01:07:39.480 --> 01:07:41.280
If Carolyn Seymour's in it.

1132
01:07:41.340 --> 01:07:42.300
I'm there.

1133
01:07:42.360 --> 01:07:43.139
She's awesome.

1134
01:07:43.199 --> 01:07:44.760
I didn't know she did Voyager.

1135
01:07:44.820 --> 01:07:49.079
I think B'lana and Shakotay fuck in this episode as well.

1136
01:07:49.199 --> 01:07:52.860
Well, in her head, because they're all having visions, obviously.

1137
01:07:52.980 --> 01:07:53.699
Right, right.

1138
01:07:53.760 --> 01:07:56.400
So latent attraction that...

1139
01:07:56.400 --> 01:07:57.659
Yeah, well, Lana has.

1140
01:07:57.719 --> 01:07:59.400
He's very handsome early on in the run.

1141
01:07:59.460 --> 01:08:00.719
What do you think?

1142
01:08:00.780 --> 01:08:04.440
It's a sort of like, you know, run of the mill. odd things are happening.

1143
01:08:04.500 --> 01:08:05.159
I'm sure.

1144
01:08:05.219 --> 01:08:09.000
I mean, I can't guarantee it, but I'm sure Joe Manosky's in there somewhere.

1145
01:08:09.420 --> 01:08:11.519
Possibly Brannan.

1146
01:08:11.579 --> 01:08:13.019
He likes a weird episode doesn't he?

1147
01:08:13.079 --> 01:08:15.179
Yeah, yeah, that's a bit Brennan-esque.

1148
01:08:15.239 --> 01:08:16.439
No, I'm up for it. absolutely.

1149
01:08:16.500 --> 01:08:16.979
Let's see that.

1150
01:08:17.039 --> 01:08:18.600
We do like season two, don't we?

1151
01:08:18.659 --> 01:08:19.140
We do.

1152
01:08:19.199 --> 01:08:19.979
Absolutely.

1153
01:08:20.039 --> 01:08:20.399
Okay.

1154
01:08:20.460 --> 01:08:40.140
Let's do it You've been listening to untitled Star Trek project with Joe Ford and Nathan Bottomley, where online at untitled Star Trek project.com, where you can find subscription links and links to our social media accounts.

1155
01:08:40.199 --> 01:08:45.659
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Ciceran and the theme was composed by Cameron Lamb.

1156
01:08:45.720 --> 01:08:51.000
This episode was recorded on the 5th of August 2025 and released on the 8th of August.

1157
01:08:51.060 --> 01:08:55.079
We'll see you next time for Star Trek Voyager, Persistence of Vision.

1158
01:09:13.140 --> 01:09:16.439
I do think, you know, Voyager is...

1159
01:09:16.439 --> 01:09:19.800
Hang on, let me check out the percentages.

1160
01:09:20.340 --> 01:09:22.619
Oh, where are they?

1161
01:09:22.979 --> 01:09:24.840
It's at the bottom.

1162
01:09:28.199 --> 01:09:31.079
Of course it is, of course it is coverage, yeah.

1163
01:09:31.140 --> 01:09:33.659
Uh, the percentage.

1164
01:09:33.720 --> 01:09:37.380
K. Voyager, Voyager, Voyager.

1165
01:09:37.439 --> 01:09:39.899
Yeah, so you probably just quite low, 17.26%.

1166
01:09:39.960 --> 01:09:41.460
It's 4 from the bottom.

1167
01:09:41.520 --> 01:09:43.800
Yeah, but do you know what's the bottom?

1168
01:09:43.859 --> 01:09:49.560
You complain all the time, but do you know what is at the bottom, the one that we've done least of?

1169
01:09:49.619 --> 01:09:52.619
I said, I've sat through 16 hours of this thing, all right?

1170
01:09:53.220 --> 01:09:55.079
Enterprise.

1171
01:09:55.140 --> 01:09:57.779
Why do you insist on her in me?

1172
01:09:57.840 --> 01:09:59.520
I thought you liked me.

1173
01:09:59.579 --> 01:10:04.859
Well, that hasn't included this week, so it's possible the discovery is now in last play.

1174
01:10:04.920 --> 01:10:07.020
Maybe you should take us to Discovery next time.

1175
01:10:07.079 --> 01:10:08.760
Because that's very, very low.

1176
01:10:08.819 --> 01:10:10.680
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1177
01:10:10.739 --> 01:10:13.560
Yeah, but it's 11 out of 65 episodes.

1178
01:10:13.619 --> 01:10:15.600
Look, Australia World, so sad.

1179
01:10:15.659 --> 01:10:16.500
Third from the top.

1180
01:10:16.560 --> 01:10:19.500
Come on, bring more episodes out so we can watch another one.

1181
01:10:19.560 --> 01:10:24.359
Again, there will be another one out in 2 days and say the percentage will go down.

1182
01:10:24.420 --> 01:10:28.739
Um, 955 episodes.

1183
01:10:28.800 --> 01:10:30.539
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1184
01:10:30.600 --> 01:10:32.579
It's going up every week. week too, of course.

1185
01:10:32.640 --> 01:10:36.239
Yeah, we're about to build the academy ones as well, wouldn't it?

1186
01:10:36.300 --> 01:10:36.779
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1187
01:10:36.840 --> 01:10:41.279
There will be 20 next year. 175 though.

1188
01:10:41.340 --> 01:10:43.319
It's good work, we've done that.

1189
01:10:43.380 --> 01:10:44.159
We're doing okay.

1190
01:10:44.220 --> 01:10:45.359
18%.

1191
01:10:45.420 --> 01:10:49.380
We're getting towards the massive a 5th of Star Trek.

1192
01:10:49.439 --> 01:10:50.640
It would be pretty incredible.

1193
01:10:50.760 --> 01:10:52.260
You think?

1194
01:10:52.319 --> 01:10:53.520
quite a lot.

1195
01:10:54.119 --> 01:11:05.939
Given that when I 1st broached the subject of you and me doing a style shirt podcast and you went, well, you're 175 episodes deep now.

1196
01:11:06.000 --> 01:11:07.199
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1197
01:11:07.260 --> 01:11:08.279
Well, it wasn't that.

1198
01:11:08.340 --> 01:11:12.899
It was, it was, it would have been going through deep say sign in order.

1199
01:11:12.960 --> 01:11:13.800
Do you know what I mean?

1200
01:11:13.859 --> 01:11:19.380
Like, with heaven. would have been great, but it would also have been kind of like the same thing every week.

1201
01:11:19.619 --> 01:11:24.180
Oh, no, the formal history, no, but still, do you know what I mean?

1202
01:11:24.239 --> 01:11:25.619
Like, roughly the same thing.

1203
01:11:25.680 --> 01:11:33.000
Whereas now we get to do like shockingly terrible things and weird things and things from a span of 60s.

1204
01:11:33.060 --> 01:11:35.039
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.

1205
01:11:35.100 --> 01:11:41.279
Well, also, as well, I just love the thing that apart from just being with you.

1206
01:11:41.340 --> 01:11:50.520
The thing I love about this. is we get to compare and contrast television over different decades.

1207
01:11:50.579 --> 01:11:53.279
And that means you can examine TV.

1208
01:11:53.279 --> 01:12:00.659
And sometimes, sometimes the stuff that comes earlier is getting things right, and the stuff that comes up, does it?

1209
01:12:00.779 --> 01:12:01.859
It's really surprising.

1210
01:12:01.920 --> 01:12:10.439
So, yeah, that's it's, it's, I think it's honed whatever critique ability I have of studying television.

1211
01:12:10.500 --> 01:12:13.800
I think doing it this way has honed it quite a bit.

1212
01:12:13.859 --> 01:12:16.380
I think it's same here.

1213
01:12:16.439 --> 01:12:20.579
And I think too, like I just know Star Trek so much better than I did when I started.

1214
01:12:21.840 --> 01:12:30.840
You know, because you saw the thing, the last frontier, the fake Star Trek from last week's Strange New World.

1215
01:12:30.960 --> 01:12:33.060
A brief clip.

1216
01:12:33.119 --> 01:12:34.079
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1217
01:12:34.140 --> 01:12:34.560
Yeah.

1218
01:12:34.619 --> 01:12:40.439
And like kind of the funny thing about that was that Star Trek itself is so much better than that.

1219
01:12:40.500 --> 01:12:44.039
You know, like, like, it's in the past.

1220
01:12:44.039 --> 01:12:47.579
It's recognisably Star Trek and sometimes Star Trek is shit.

1221
01:12:47.640 --> 01:12:48.539
We've said it before.

1222
01:12:48.600 --> 01:12:53.460
Sometimes the original series is just massively incompetent in all sorts of weird ways.

1223
01:12:53.520 --> 01:13:01.020
But at its best, it's so much better than it needed to be and so much better than that and so much better than its kind of reputation, I think.

1224
01:13:01.079 --> 01:13:06.960
I'm not entirely sure, you know, the best episode of the original series ever isn't that Black Mirror episode, though.

1225
01:13:07.020 --> 01:13:08.880
Oh, that's so upsetting.

1226
01:13:08.880 --> 01:13:11.220
It's so upsetting.

1227
01:13:11.279 --> 01:13:16.199
Well, Black Mirror often was upsetting, but 0 man, he just got the aesthetic.

1228
01:13:16.260 --> 01:13:18.479
The acting style, all of it.

1229
01:13:18.539 --> 01:13:19.920
Just perfect.

1230
01:13:19.979 --> 01:13:24.000
But yeah, the, the, it was kind of horrifying. horrible.

1231
01:13:24.060 --> 01:13:25.079
Yeah, yeah.

1232
01:13:25.859 --> 01:13:30.600
The bit where the she gets turned into a great big alien, doesn't she?

1233
01:13:30.720 --> 01:13:31.800
Oh, God, remember.

1234
01:13:31.800 --> 01:13:34.619
The Yahura carrot against her.

1235
01:13:34.619 --> 01:13:40.500
I just watched it once and it was just like, I think that might be as much as I can take of that.

1236
01:13:40.560 --> 01:13:43.800
Oh, it might be my favourite of the run, actually.

1237
01:13:43.920 --> 01:13:45.300
San Junipero.

1238
01:13:45.899 --> 01:13:48.239
That was a goodie.

1239
01:13:48.300 --> 01:13:51.000
I mean, I think the hit rate is great.

1240
01:13:51.060 --> 01:13:54.420
We watched the, so we finally finished the show.

1241
01:13:54.479 --> 01:13:55.979
My god, this is a miracle.

1242
01:13:56.039 --> 01:13:59.340
We watched the last episode of Inside, number nine.

1243
01:13:59.340 --> 01:14:00.600
Oh, yeah, yeah.

1244
01:14:00.659 --> 01:14:02.699
Did you watch the last series of that?

1245
01:14:02.760 --> 01:14:04.079
No, I've only watched the 1st episode.

1246
01:14:04.619 --> 01:14:11.760
It's like, how do you end this anthology show where you did so many different things where you brought in so many incredible.

1247
01:14:11.819 --> 01:14:13.079
They had a roll call of actors.

1248
01:14:13.140 --> 01:14:15.899
And they, it was just perfect.

1249
01:14:15.960 --> 01:14:18.539
I was so ready to be disappointed.

1250
01:14:18.600 --> 01:14:26.039
And the last episode is the premiere of the last episode.

1251
01:14:26.100 --> 01:14:31.800
So that's where it's set with all of the actors that they've had across the run playing themselves.

1252
01:14:32.220 --> 01:14:37.020
So it was a room full of the most extraordinary actors.

1253
01:14:37.079 --> 01:14:43.020
You know, just throw away shots of Sheridan Smith and Reed, you know, all these wonderful actors.

1254
01:14:43.260 --> 01:14:59.399
And the premise of it was what happens when 2 actors that have worked together for so long and a project comes to an end and one potentially gets a very successful job.

1255
01:14:59.399 --> 01:15:02.220
And it was all about their relationship.

1256
01:15:02.340 --> 01:15:06.119
And I was just like, that's just perfect. given that they...

1257
01:15:06.180 --> 01:15:07.380
Who gets this existed job?

1258
01:15:08.039 --> 01:15:08.819
gets the job.

1259
01:15:08.939 --> 01:15:12.300
He gets a 7 year contract for a show in America.

1260
01:15:13.920 --> 01:15:20.039
And yeah, I was just like, wowsers, they're working out their issues in the show.

1261
01:15:20.340 --> 01:15:35.819
It was really, really, and there was no big, the twist at the end was, um, he hasn't get the job, and, um, and they, they continued to do this terrible sounding project that they were going to do if that didn't work out together.

1262
01:15:35.880 --> 01:15:37.979
And it's a nice heartwarming ending.

1263
01:15:38.039 --> 01:15:59.399
But there's an incredible sequence where the premiere, the premiere of the episode happens, but there's a preview of the last 9 seasons of the show, like loads of clips, with time to say goodbye, which is the song from the 12 Days of Christine, which I think is the best episode of Inside Number 9 by a mile.

1264
01:16:00.119 --> 01:16:03.600
And it just cuts to all the different actors.

1265
01:16:03.600 --> 01:16:06.600
And it's as a celebration of the show and everything they did.

1266
01:16:06.659 --> 01:16:08.039
It was...

1267
01:16:08.039 --> 01:16:09.300
I had like goosies watching it.

1268
01:16:09.359 --> 01:16:12.659
I thought, yeah, bravo, encore.

1269
01:16:13.619 --> 01:16:18.899
And, oh, do you know what was so funny is Catherine Parkinson, right?

1270
01:16:18.960 --> 01:16:21.359
So you think at the start.

1271
01:16:21.420 --> 01:16:24.659
Do you remember the 1st one, sardines, where they all get into the cupboard?

1272
01:16:24.720 --> 01:16:27.600
So it's the same characters coming into a toilet.

1273
01:16:27.659 --> 01:16:28.500
Cubicle.

1274
01:16:28.560 --> 01:16:34.079
I thought, oh, God, they're doing the same thing, but it's all the actors that started stuck in...

1275
01:16:34.140 --> 01:16:37.920
And they're all going in to sniff a bit of cocaine.

1276
01:16:37.979 --> 01:16:41.640
And Catherine Parkinson comes in and Mark goes, that's not Catherine Parkinson.

1277
01:16:41.699 --> 01:16:42.600
That a man rabbender.

1278
01:16:42.659 --> 01:16:44.579
I went, that's Catherine Parkinson.

1279
01:16:44.640 --> 01:16:46.859
We're arguing about it, right?

1280
01:16:46.920 --> 01:16:49.439
And then Amanda Abington walks into the toilet.

1281
01:16:50.760 --> 01:16:54.479
And he goes, he goes to Amanda Rabbington.

1282
01:16:54.539 --> 01:16:55.680
Oh, you're right, Catherine.

1283
01:16:55.739 --> 01:16:57.060
She goes, I know, I'm Catherine.

1284
01:16:57.119 --> 01:17:00.119
Because, oh, I thought you were Amanda Abington.

1285
01:17:00.180 --> 01:17:01.560
I was like, 0 my god.

1286
01:17:01.619 --> 01:17:04.140
This is perfect. brilliant. genius.

1287
01:17:04.199 --> 01:17:09.060
So funny. but the singer was and Reed comes in, sort of toddles in.

1288
01:17:09.119 --> 01:17:11.279
She's quite an old woman at this pocket.

1289
01:17:11.699 --> 01:17:15.420
And she goes, come on, I know you're shooting up in here. wears the stuff?

1290
01:17:19.800 --> 01:17:22.619
Oh, yeah, watch it. was fabulous.

1291
01:17:22.680 --> 01:17:24.300
At least half half an hour.

1292
01:17:24.899 --> 01:17:26.279
And they're only 6 episodes series.

1293
01:17:26.340 --> 01:17:28.319
I can just watch it all the way through.

1294
01:17:28.680 --> 01:17:39.600
The episode that season, they did an episode, which was entirely from the point of view of a, you know, those doorbell cameras that you have?

1295
01:17:39.659 --> 01:17:40.859
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1296
01:17:40.920 --> 01:17:42.720
It was a green bulb pretty close.

1297
01:17:42.779 --> 01:17:47.880
And they told a whole horror story with the comings and goings of what was happening in this street.

1298
01:17:47.939 --> 01:17:48.659
Wow.

1299
01:17:48.659 --> 01:17:49.739
It was so great.

1300
01:17:51.060 --> 01:17:53.819
Yeah, what a great show.

1301
01:17:53.880 --> 01:18:05.039
There was a few, along the way, there was a few, I think, because the bar was high, there was a few where you were like, oh, yeah, we haven't, we seen this and they've done, they were dead all along before and stuff like that.

1302
01:18:05.100 --> 01:18:09.659
But at its best, man, it was terrific. inside number nine.

1303
01:18:09.720 --> 01:18:12.659
And so it goes from 2014.

1304
01:18:12.840 --> 01:18:14.760
Yeah, 10 years is it?

1305
01:18:14.819 --> 01:18:17.039
Yeah. 10 or 2014.

1306
01:18:17.220 --> 01:18:18.539
Yeah.

1307
01:18:18.600 --> 01:18:22.439
And it's just stylistically, every episode is completely different.

1308
01:18:22.560 --> 01:18:25.739
Yeah, Graham Harper does that wonderful.

1309
01:18:25.800 --> 01:18:32.819
They pulled in Graham Harper because they wanted a 70s director to do the devil at Christmas. you seen that one?

1310
01:18:32.880 --> 01:18:33.659
No, no.

1311
01:18:33.720 --> 01:18:35.640
So it's shot.

1312
01:18:35.699 --> 01:18:37.680
It's an old 70s hammer movie.

1313
01:18:37.680 --> 01:18:41.819
And it's shot by a 70s director on 70s cameras.

1314
01:18:42.000 --> 01:18:47.340
They pulled in a 70s designer to do it and it's just perfect.

1315
01:18:47.460 --> 01:18:53.340
I mean, if you're going to watch Eddie, I'll say watch that one. it's so funny Oh my god, Ruler Lenska's in it.

1316
01:18:53.399 --> 01:18:54.359
Jessica Rain.

1317
01:18:57.000 --> 01:18:58.380
Derek Jackson.

1318
01:18:58.439 --> 01:19:18.899
They do this wonderful crossroads scene where they're all, um, the scene starts and they're all sort of doing a toast, but no one said action, and then they just go, But the twist in that one is the darkest twist I ever did. horrible.

1319
01:19:18.960 --> 01:19:21.600
So the devil of Christmas.

1320
01:19:21.720 --> 01:19:23.279
And so he was 2016.

1321
01:19:23.640 --> 01:19:25.380
And what was the other one?

1322
01:19:25.500 --> 01:19:27.600
This one called, there's a live one?

1323
01:19:28.140 --> 01:19:30.359
Oh, Deadlaw one?

1324
01:19:30.420 --> 01:19:32.039
That's the Stephanie Cole one.

1325
01:19:32.100 --> 01:19:32.819
Yeah, deadline.

1326
01:19:32.880 --> 01:19:33.239
Yeah.

1327
01:19:33.300 --> 01:19:34.560
Where they fooled.

1328
01:19:34.619 --> 01:19:35.819
They fooled.

1329
01:19:35.880 --> 01:19:43.800
A 3rd of the audience that turned off a 3rd into the episode because they thought genuinely that the live episode had gone completely wrong.

1330
01:19:44.699 --> 01:19:46.739
It's so right.

1331
01:19:46.739 --> 01:19:47.279
And they knew that.

1332
01:19:47.340 --> 01:19:47.880
They knew it.

1333
01:19:47.939 --> 01:19:50.640
They literally did it.

1334
01:19:50.699 --> 01:19:51.300
Yeah.

1335
01:19:51.359 --> 01:19:55.199
They said, they said, if the numbers dip, because they had the 5 minute breakdown.

1336
01:19:55.319 --> 01:19:57.539
If the numbers dip we've pulled off this twist.

1337
01:19:59.699 --> 01:20:02.520
That's brilliant Which is great.

1338
01:20:02.579 --> 01:20:03.060
Okay.

1339
01:20:03.119 --> 01:20:04.439
Oh my god.

1340
01:20:04.500 --> 01:20:05.640
And you must have seen.

1341
01:20:05.699 --> 01:20:07.020
Have you seen the 12 days of Christine?

1342
01:20:07.140 --> 01:20:09.180
I've only ever seen the 1st episode.

1343
01:20:09.239 --> 01:20:11.760
Oh, well, then do me a favour, right?

1344
01:20:11.819 --> 01:20:14.880
Devil of Christmas, 12 Days of Christine.

1345
01:20:14.939 --> 01:20:19.560
The live one, deadline. 12 days of Christine is series two.

1346
01:20:19.619 --> 01:20:20.640
Okay.

1347
01:20:20.699 --> 01:20:24.119
Now, I know you can, no, I'm not saying a word.

1348
01:20:24.180 --> 01:20:26.760
It's extraordinary that episode.

1349
01:20:26.819 --> 01:20:28.500
It gets me every time.

1350
01:20:28.560 --> 01:20:31.079
It's extraordinary And it's Sheridan Smith.

1351
01:20:31.260 --> 01:20:33.899
It's the best performance in the rum.

1352
01:20:33.960 --> 01:20:35.100
Oh, wow, okay.

1353
01:20:36.539 --> 01:20:38.100
All right.

1354
01:20:38.159 --> 01:20:40.800
Check that as well. if you do watch it, let me know what you think.

1355
01:20:40.859 --> 01:20:42.000
Yeah, yeah, I will.

1356
01:20:42.060 --> 01:20:45.539
It might tempt you to do the run, actually, because they're so easy to watch.

1357
01:20:45.659 --> 01:20:46.859
I am tempted.

1358
01:20:46.979 --> 01:20:48.479
And I did like the 1st one a lot.

1359
01:20:48.539 --> 01:20:49.319
It was pretty great.

1360
01:20:49.380 --> 01:20:50.520
It was pretty good.

1361
01:20:50.579 --> 01:20:52.020
All right.

1362
01:20:52.079 --> 01:20:53.279
Okay, I'm gonna go.