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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So we're back for a very special episode this week.

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This episode aired on the 3rd of August 2023, nearly 2 years ago

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now.

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It's Strange New World series 2, episode nine.

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Subspace Rhapsody.

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You're Nathan Holster Podcast, but on a able.

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They love Doctor Who, but can they shirk that label?

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Apologies!

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The ruinest Star Trek pod has sprung into being lots of laughter

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loving friendship.

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We can confirm The biting crazy will impress you.

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Stickcase at 16 It's just number one.

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Let's not split hairs.

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It's all made of jabal life.

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Apologies.

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The most confounding thing We appear to be mocking.

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The techno babble exquisition.

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Nathan is doing his bit, smart as hell cutting wit, Chrisman track

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attracts some sexy crew members, emotionally honest.

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At the console, Joe is slanderizing.

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His trivia is memory now for rising for DS 90. can't find a one

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flaw.

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All is okay.

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Dramatic persona, all is okay.

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Tom Paris, we often punch.

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The lanot could do better.

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It's just a hunch.

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Shatter's got a shirt off again.

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Is it hot in here?

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Ethan Pecks for lunch.

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Apologies.

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The funnest track pod is about to begin Untitled Star Trek.

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Untitled Star Trek, Untitled Star Trek.

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But what is that title?

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Given how much I love a musical, and that's on television, in

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movies, and on the stage, it's something of a miracle, it's taken

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me this long to watch the bloody thing.

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I mean, I went in with huge reservations.

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I'm not gonna lie.

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I was bracing myself before I press play.

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So it's funny, I'm a huge fan of musicals as well.

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And of course, there's always the Buffy musical as the kind of

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genre TV musical episode par excellence, I think, which this

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episode compares itself to twice at least.

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And when I 1st watched this, I wasn't massively impressed, I have

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to say, but it has really, really grown on me.

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I think it does have some flaws, but it's Star Trek Strange New

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Worlds, which I just adore.

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I love this crew.

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I love the look of the show.

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I love the actors, and it plays to the strengths of Star Trek

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Strange New Worlds, in that, when we've said this before, that the

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space stuff isn't serialised, but the character stuff is.

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And so in a way, this might be just about the only series of Star

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Trek that could conceivably have done a musical episode.

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Maybe Deep Space 9 could have, but it's not the sort of thing that

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90s Trek would have thought of doing, I think.

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Well, DS9 was never bold enough to write original songs, was it?

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It always took, um, brilliantly took, you know, songs that

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everybody knows and then appropriately put them in at the right

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thematic moments in episodes.

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Here's to the losers, the best is yet to come.

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Yeah, fever, for God's sakes, you know.

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So they certainly did a lot of singing over there.

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But this is the 1st time Star Trek has an entire album that is

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completely original.

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And I'd probably say 75% of it is very successful, and 25% of it

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doesn't land for me at all.

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And I actually think there's a point in the episode where it's

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almost like they, I don't know how how the songs were conceived if

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they were done in any kind of an order, but as I was watching the

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episode, I was sort of about 50% in halfway through going, my God

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they're really going to land this whole episode, and then

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somewhere in the middle, things started to go awry a little bit

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musically for me.

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And then the big, big number that needed to really strike home and

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sew all this together.

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I think that's the dud of the episode.

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And that's a shame.

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That is a shame because I'll say this.

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My favourite song in the whole thing is status report at the start

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and I think it gets the whole episode off on just the perfect

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footing.

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I was reluctant and I was at the end of that song, I was like, yeah

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they're going to do this.

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They're going to absolutely get this right. great song, that 1st

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one.

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So I think the big problem is that the lyrics are generally

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speaking not very good, and that is a kind of a problem, and it

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sometimes means that the songs don't successfully do what they

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need to do in context.

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And obviously that's hugely difficult.

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And I, and I guess apart from that, you know, it's, it's such a

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big undertaking.

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It's so much extra work to do a musical and, you know, they were

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practising and rehearsing and recording and all of that sort of

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stuff.

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And I think that it's pretty incredible that they manage to pull

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off what they have pulled off.

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And I think the songs are really agreeable.

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It's a really, really fun hour of TV.

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But it doesn't always work, I think.

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I mean, kudos sort of buffy crew because they were putting out 26

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episodes a year.

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That was one of their 26 episodes that year.

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And it is, you know, the prestige musical.

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And they failed to get it out on time.

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You know, like it didn't actually air in the original run when it

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was supposed to be broadcast.

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It was delayed.

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And that was a problem because it had all sorts of crucial kind of

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plot things happening.

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Buffy lends itself to musicals.

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I think a little bit more than Star Trek because Buffy is more

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melodramatic and is a thing that's about heightened emotions

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anyway.

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That's not Star Trek's normal thing.

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And in fact, part of the fun thing about status report is having

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all those people sing about inertial dampers and stuff like that.

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Oh, yeah, I do think they totally missed a trick because there is

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a lyricism to technobabble in Star Trek.

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And I was absolutely certain there was going to be a technobabble

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song where everybody was just singing Dreadful Technobabble that

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rhymed.

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I was like, well where was that?

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But I did think the way that 1st song sort of shoots around the

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ship and everybody's talking about being at their consoles and, you

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know, doing the scans and security checks and all of that.

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And I was like, yeah, that's a good medley, that is.

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That's a really well structured, well-paced medley with a great

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chorus to it, but also giving a chance for every single person in

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the crew to have their moment.

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And you're like, my God, they can all sing.

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Great.

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Let's go.

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Yeah.

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Like, I think that that's really great.

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I think too, apparently Christina Chong had been badgering them

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for a musical episode for ages, like she'd really wanted to do

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one.

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And I recently rewatched the Elysian Kingdom and her character

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sings in that, like does sort of, yeah, hilarious comedy opera

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stuff.

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And so I think she's really good.

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Come on now.

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Celia Rose Gooding is a singer as well. and I had meant to...

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She's incredible.

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The best singer in the cast by a country mile.

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Yeah, I mean, I set you off, Mike, you should have done every 2nd

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song.

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We would have been fine.

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And for me, despite, again, the limitation of the lyrics.

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I think keep us connected is the best song.

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Um, and it's it's good that, you know, that's the moment where it

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goes from.

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She learns a character thing about herself, and that's the

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solution to the space problem in the episode.

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And so that's the big pivotal moment.

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And I think she absolutely nails it.

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And both her and Christina do just incredible musical acting as

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well.

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Like they act their way through those songs in a really, really

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terrific way.

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There's other people like Anson who is just trying to get out of

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this alive.

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He is the Alison Hanukah, not this episode.

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Well, I don't sing.

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Well, you could just say, well, why are we singing then, all

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right?

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at the end of a song.

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Look, I think he does great and they don't rely on him too heavily

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but he certainly doesn't act and they make it a character thing

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too. that Captain Pike is super awkward about the musical stuff

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all the way through.

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The best thing of many great things about once more we're feeling

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is that Joss Whedon, obviously, knows he's leading up to that

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musical episode, and he wants to make plots culminate and

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character arcs hit in that episode.

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This just isn't working on that level.

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Now there are, it's the same thing.

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Everyone speaks their truth in song in South Space Rhapsody, but

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it's not quite as climactic as Buffy saying, I was in heaven and

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you drag me back to earth and things like that.

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It's Christine going, well, I'm off to go and do a course.

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See you later, you know, which isn't quite as operatic as the

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Buffy episode.

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But within the premise, I did think that we learn a lot about the

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characters, especially La Arme.

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I thought her song was especially moving, because it just opened

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out aside to her that I'm, I haven't seen the one where she's um

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on the mission with Koork, so I, I kind of figured out what was

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happening because Strangely Wells is extremely good at catching

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you up if you just dip in for a single episode without the, as you

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said, Bob, seems that you get in 90s strik.

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But that really landed for me.

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There was one character beat, which lands, but I didn't like at

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all. which I will talk about as we go through because I just

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thought, wow, you've come across as a total bitch there.

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And I normally like you a lot.

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I think there is something from 2 episodes earlier that explains

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that.

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And so we'll get there because I think I know what you're talking

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about.

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Well, that's my fault then for not watching that.

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But I was just like, oh, my God.

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He's just there, all right?

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Like, stop being so mean.

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But he also provokes it as well.

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Like, he goes in there to make her have a song so that they can do

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the thing and he actually kind of provokes it.

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But the reason that she does it is complicated.

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Boiler warning.

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That's one of the songs I don't think lands, as it should.

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I think that should be a great part.

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Oh, I think it's a really good song.

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I think it's good.

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All right.

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That's not the worst.

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The worst of stuff finale, but we'll get there.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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All right.

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Well, in that case, I think we should go in.

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I mean, kudos for attempting this and putting it off to the

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standard that you did.

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The fact that you're 75% there is a miracle, all right?

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I think it's great.

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And I think it's a really good episode.

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I'm glad that Star Trek trying to do it and, you know, like it's

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essentially this year's Elysian Kingdom, isn't it?

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Where we do a completely different genres where a different genre

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of storytelling takes over the ship and they have to deal with

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it.

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And I, you know, like it's got that awareness that Strange New

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Worlds has of being a TV show and being in the Star Trek tradition

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rather than being things that happened in 2351 or whatever.

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Clynically, we can call it the buffy knockoff of this season, you

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know?

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Now does seem to be a tradition. is soon to be a tradition, I

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think.

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All right.

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Okay.

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I will count us in then.

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Five, four, three, two, one, and we're off.

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Okay, so it's the id end.

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And oh, yes, I know, I do like this idea, you know.

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I miss it.

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It's not on the episodes anymore.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Oh, and I did love as well the the glee version of the theme

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tune.

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We must discuss that when we get there as well.

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What's that style of music called?

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You know, when they're all vocals.

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It's like a cappella.

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It's not entirely a cappella, there are instruments in it, but God

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Christine and Spock Snoggin.

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I know, I know.

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I know.

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I mean, what a hot couple.

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I mean, you could say anything bad about it, but it's even peck.

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I mean, I'll just forgive him anything.

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Yeah, he's great, isn't he?

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Have you seen that picture of him with his shirt off, Nathan?

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That's doing the rounds. shirt off. in the 1st episode.

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Why wouldn't I?

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That episode, which is called tomorrow and tomorrow and tomorrow

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which I think is episode 3 of the 2nd season is absolutely

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magnificent.

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It's so good.

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And that season opens incredibly well.

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Series 2 is been great. episode immediately before this.

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Um, so it was called uh, Under the Cloak of War, and it is

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reference to here.

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It has Benga and Christina doing flashbacks about their time

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during the Kleon war.

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Fraser, who did our 1st contact episode, said to me, now he goes, I

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do like subspace Rhapsody, but it came after one of the best

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dramas I've ever seen in years.

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I must watch that one.

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So this is wonderful.

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Ahura is unfortunately in the position of having to relay

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everybody's communications around the ship.

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Which is what we always joke, she was.

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But this is the solution, right?

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Because she does this, this is foreshadowing the solution to the

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space problem.

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And it's so well structured as just a TV episode, I think.

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It's so great.

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Although now, you know, I love to do this.

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This has been done before, you know.

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There is one unfortunate episode where all the communications go

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down on DS9 and poor old Nog is stuck because he's got the biggest

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ears of the whole crew.

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He's stuck with this thing in his ear relaying to everybody for

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the whole 45 minutes.

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They do it for the whole episode.

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Bless him.

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Oh, so now look, now Pike's having a relationship with this lady.

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I have no idea who she is.

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She is the woman that he is in bed within the 1st episode.

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Ah, okay.

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Well, anyway, she wants to go away on a fabulous holiday and he's

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not too keen at all, is he?

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He's like, no, thank you.

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That's very.

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Sounds very boring.

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And unfortunately, has to sing a song about it later in the

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episode.

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That's right.

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It's kind of interesting because, of course, he has a terrible

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tragic backstory as well, but we don't go there.

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He's just a comedy character in this episode because I think

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Laan's tragic backstory and to a lesser degree, um, uh, Nyota's uh

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story um, uh, enough, I think, to be going on.

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Don't you love as well?

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In the Buffy episode, how they just go.

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Well, he's a demon that makes people sing.

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It's a thing.

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In this, they go to the whole effort of, well, we're going to put

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a song through this subspace fisher.

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That's wonderful.

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And then, yeah, they give it all the stuff.

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All the set of babble, and then suddenly we would just accept

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that's the case.

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It's still a Star Trek episode.

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Christader is such a fabulously English actor because she just

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does that posh embarrassment thing so perfectly.

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And like when she goes in the wrong direction to leave the, like

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she, there's just a cute moment.

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She, she says, oh, you know, like we'd better go or whatever, and

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then she heads off in the wrong direction and has to correct

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herself and walk back through the shot.

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What she has as well is the Renee Oberjon Wah, uh, gift of whilst

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whilst being a total prig of a character.

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You really feel for her.

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Like, because you know exactly the unrequited love that they're

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going through those 2 characters.

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And yeah, you just, and also as well, I have to say, the fella

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that's playing Kirk is exactly how I like people to come in when

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they recast somebody like this, it's the essence of the character

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but space for the actor to do their own thing.

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Because if you just charming, if you just do an impression, it's

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going to be lousy.

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Whereas he's got to charm all of his own, that actor, and there's

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space for it, which I really like.

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It took me a while to warm to him.

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He is in as early as series one.

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And it looks like he's going to be a sort of semi-regular.

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And Sam Kirk, of course, who is played by Shatner in the opening

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of an episode.

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He's found dead, remember, with a false moustache.

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I'm Sam Koch's been obviously in it since episode two, I think.

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I mean, the song, the Gilbert and Sullivan song, the Chris, number

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one sings, connect with your crew.

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And I was like, no, don't tell him to relax too much.

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That's why he's walking around the bloody enterprise with his top

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off most of the time, you know?

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So I love this, and can I just say how superb Carol Kane is like

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just her...

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Where is she?

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Is she the new hammer?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Okay.

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She's a lanthanite.

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She's from Earth, and they're very long-lived, so she was alive in

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the 21st century on Earth, and in fact, Laan and Kirk meet her in

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that episode, which is said in 2024 or something.

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She's, of course, in Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt.

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And looking quite different, I think, different teeth.

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But she sounds so great.

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She sounds like my mad auntie Liz, you know, or would add a few.

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She sounds like she's drunk.

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And yet when she starts singing, her voice is absolutely

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beautiful.

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She's great.

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I think she's really terrific.

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She's one of the best things.

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And now we have Scotty aboard in series three.

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She's still there because the other thing is she's she's so long

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lived that she's lectured at the academy for 100s.

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I love I love Ahura doing the little shoulders thing to anything

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goes.

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She looks across at Smock and does the shoulders thing.

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It's adorable. at this point.

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Okay, they're going to be doing light S 9.

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They're going to be doing songs that we already know.

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But actually, this is just a little taster of that and then they

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kick it into their original ones.

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Can I confess something about the wall?

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Yeah.

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You can see the joint.

395
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No, I can't either.

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I can't see the join.

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You go, oh, you can sort of see it.

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I'm like where?

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Where is it?

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It just looks like it goes back and back.

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Wonderful.

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Oh, God, that's it.

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The wave of musicality is now going through the enterprise and

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everyone's looking, oh, and here the song starts status report.

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God, I love Mitchell.

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She's so good.

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The woman who plays Mitchell is so great.

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There's, I notice as well.

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There's always a very stylish look to Strange New Worlds, but

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there was like some wonderful sweeping camera work.

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It was a bit Baz Luhrman-esque, actually, to this episode, I think

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to sort of carry the songs, the actual, the look of the show and

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the pace of it as well.

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It was all conspiring.

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Where's that music coming from?

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Not from anywhere on the show.

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I appear to be singing.

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It's just terrific.

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And then Sick Bay and then Mbenga and Christine.

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Oh, no, they go again.

421
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Nothing unusual happening here, sir.

422
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Sorry.

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Oh, he's got a lovely voice, my banger, isn't he?

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He's beautiful.

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Just that lovely tenor voice.

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I think he's got a stunning voice.

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I think he's, again, just another one of these incredibly

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beautiful people that populate this ship.

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He's so good.

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Why are we singing?

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Oh my god. so great.

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And just the way the camera goes all around the ship in this song

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as well.

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This scene here where everyone's doing musical acting as well, like

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you've got, you've got, um, uh, Erica, you know, in her pilot's

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chair sort of looking around and stuff and singing her thing.

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Later on.

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Ortega, right?

439
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and the one next to her.

440
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Why don't I get a lion?

441
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She's giving her daggers.

442
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Look.

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But no, what's happening is they're doing Corey.

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Like they're both moving forward and operating their controls at

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the same time and looking across at each other and going, no, we're

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not going to do choreography.

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And then, and then, Pike leans like this.

448
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You know, no. not doing that in unison.

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And like Pike comes in and he does sort of proper musical number

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acting as well.

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Like, it's not just that they're singing them acting like they're

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in a musical.

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Yeah, like this, where he's leaning over.

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He doesn't have any lines, but he's looking over it. moving his

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arms around as if he's got to convey something, but he doesn't get

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to sing at this point.

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The reason that the moment I realised, um, or I thought they were

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going to pull off this whole episode, was that all system stable?

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And it just builds and builds and everyone gets a version of that

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line to the climax of this song.

461
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In fact, what I really like is that the opening line, the, you

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know, the apologies, the most confounding thing I appear to be

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singing.

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That's Spock, because of course that's a Spock thing.

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Who's going to say, everyone's founding, because now that's the

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chorus, you know, because they've had to pick up on spots. light.

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And so now they're doing it as a sort of fuse or whatever. unusual

468
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so peculiar. peculiar.

469
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And then the comedy line at the end.

471
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Well, why are we singing?

472
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It's so good.

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And then the feature...

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It's great.

475
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It's so good Al Kirk's getting in on it as well.

476
00:23:10.799 --> 00:23:18.599
So this opening credits is the 2nd time in 3 episodes that we've

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done bespoke opening credits for the episode because, of course

478
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those old scientists was 2 weeks ago.

479
00:23:25.559 --> 00:23:26.339
Oh, yeah, of course.

480
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And that was, um, that was the cartoon version of the opening

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credits, which included um, the, the koala, and it included that

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thing sucking on the, the Enterprise instead of...

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All I could see was sort of Chris Kulfer and Jonathan Groff and

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that bunch from Glee, sort of going, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba.

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That's how I sing.

486
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That's what I do when I'm watching it.

487
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You know, like, obviously, with Enterprise, I sing because it's

488
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got lyrics.

489
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I forgot you weren't part of this episode then.

490
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You've heard you and me singing the Enterprise theme before.

491
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Thank goodness. of us are part of this episode, frankly.

492
00:24:07.500 --> 00:24:10.799
And again, series 3 has just started.

493
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We've had 3 episodes.

494
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We will have had 4 by the time this comes out.

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And it's redone the opening credits with just more exciting

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incredible new visuals and stuff, so they're clearly doing that

497
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every year like they did with lower decks.

498
00:24:25.440 --> 00:24:28.740
Yeah, see, this is only the 2nd episode of this season I've seen

499
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so I haven't really had a chance to explore these credits too much

500
00:24:32.579 --> 00:24:35.099
but you could sort of pause at any moment here, couldn't you?

501
00:24:35.279 --> 00:24:38.160
and taste in the visual splendour.

502
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Yeah, that's it's selling it, isn't it?

503
00:24:40.799 --> 00:24:46.259
Well, sort of strange new conferences during 90s trek, wasn't it?

504
00:24:46.319 --> 00:24:46.980
Yeah that's right.

505
00:24:51.299 --> 00:24:53.700
Okay, here we go.

506
00:24:53.880 --> 00:24:54.480
Yeah, too.

507
00:24:54.480 --> 00:24:57.000
I have to put, I'll be singing a little bit, all right?

508
00:24:57.059 --> 00:24:58.740
hope that's not too much of a problem.

509
00:24:59.880 --> 00:25:05.819
So this is our, so in Buffy, they did the whole song about what is

510
00:25:05.819 --> 00:25:08.039
going on while we singing, didn't we?

511
00:25:08.099 --> 00:25:09.960
Yeah, Dancing Demon.

512
00:25:10.019 --> 00:25:11.400
Well, something isn't right.

513
00:25:11.400 --> 00:25:12.420
Yeah, the theory it's called.

514
00:25:12.480 --> 00:25:15.180
Unfortunately, here we just do exposition.

515
00:25:15.240 --> 00:25:16.619
I'm like, well, what the hell is going on?

516
00:25:16.740 --> 00:25:18.119
Yeah.

517
00:25:18.119 --> 00:25:22.859
I think I think certain concessions have to be made here for those

518
00:25:22.859 --> 00:25:24.960
very prop-faced Star Trek fans.

519
00:25:25.019 --> 00:25:26.700
Like if this whole thing had been songs.

520
00:25:26.759 --> 00:25:28.500
I'm not sure how you could have handled it.

521
00:25:28.559 --> 00:25:32.940
I think that they, there's probably about half of it is sung.

522
00:25:33.000 --> 00:25:39.059
Um, and and because they have said, I think that they're not doing

523
00:25:39.059 --> 00:25:44.220
a song here, um, because it's when people are emotional that they

524
00:25:44.220 --> 00:25:44.700
sing.

525
00:25:44.759 --> 00:25:48.240
And so this sort of technobabble thing.

526
00:25:48.299 --> 00:25:53.220
Here's our 1st reference to once more with feeling, where, um, I

527
00:25:53.220 --> 00:25:54.420
doubt we will be bunnies.

528
00:25:54.539 --> 00:25:56.099
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

529
00:25:56.160 --> 00:25:59.339
Getting Spock to say a line about bunnies is absolutely the top

530
00:25:59.339 --> 00:26:00.420
quality thing there.

531
00:26:00.480 --> 00:26:03.539
But that is explicitly, and it says in memory, Alfred, they put

532
00:26:03.539 --> 00:26:05.460
the bunnies reference into...

533
00:26:05.579 --> 00:26:07.559
Hello, can I say in that puppet episode then?

534
00:26:07.619 --> 00:26:09.299
Spoilers.

535
00:26:10.019 --> 00:26:13.440
At least we're not limping to a close, eh?

536
00:26:15.000 --> 00:26:20.640
So there's a number of different space techniques that they try.

537
00:26:20.640 --> 00:26:25.500
And part of the fun thing is, so this is technique, A, this is

538
00:26:25.500 --> 00:26:26.220
cute too.

539
00:26:26.279 --> 00:26:28.920
This 1st interaction between Spock and Kirk.

540
00:26:28.980 --> 00:26:31.500
So we do...

541
00:26:31.500 --> 00:26:32.099
Yeah.

542
00:26:32.160 --> 00:26:34.980
So on this, we do get to see Spock and Ahura meat for the 1st

543
00:26:34.980 --> 00:26:35.279
time.

544
00:26:35.339 --> 00:26:37.619
We get to, we don't get to see.

545
00:26:37.680 --> 00:26:39.359
We get to see Kirk and Ahura meet for the 1st time.

546
00:26:39.420 --> 00:26:41.339
We get to see Kirk and Spock meet.

547
00:26:41.400 --> 00:26:45.900
But they don't tend to kind of, they don't lean into it too much.

548
00:26:45.960 --> 00:26:47.819
That's the original series.

549
00:26:47.880 --> 00:26:49.019
That's right.

550
00:26:49.079 --> 00:26:50.460
You know, we've got 3 seasons of that.

551
00:26:50.519 --> 00:26:52.440
We're going to have more episodes of that than we are of this.

552
00:26:52.559 --> 00:26:55.740
Although when he said, you know, what a great exploration, Mr

553
00:26:55.740 --> 00:26:56.220
Spulk.

554
00:26:56.279 --> 00:26:57.660
I almost understood it, you know?

555
00:26:57.720 --> 00:26:59.519
It's pretty good.

556
00:27:00.059 --> 00:27:02.160
I love this too.

557
00:27:02.220 --> 00:27:04.740
She makes a joke at his expense.

558
00:27:04.799 --> 00:27:07.680
That's the classic Vulcan romance I've heard about.

559
00:27:07.740 --> 00:27:10.079
And then she reconsiders because he's hurt.

560
00:27:10.140 --> 00:27:14.339
And this is, you know, her stuff about helping people communicate

561
00:27:14.339 --> 00:27:15.900
and understand one another.

562
00:27:15.960 --> 00:27:17.339
We get to see her do that.

563
00:27:17.400 --> 00:27:20.339
We don't just pull it out of our butts, and we don't just do it in

564
00:27:20.339 --> 00:27:21.000
the opening thing.

565
00:27:21.059 --> 00:27:25.920
Having her alongside Spock while he goes through this breakup in

566
00:27:25.920 --> 00:27:27.960
the episode, I think is really a good choice.

567
00:27:29.039 --> 00:27:33.720
Do you know, every time I see her in this show, I think that was

568
00:27:33.720 --> 00:27:36.960
just a genius moved, take her underserved character from the

569
00:27:36.960 --> 00:27:40.259
original series, and to just turn her into a fully fleshed

570
00:27:40.259 --> 00:27:44.160
character with an amazing actress playing the role, does make me

571
00:27:44.160 --> 00:27:45.539
feel sad for Michelle, though.

572
00:27:45.599 --> 00:27:49.200
Every time, every time she gets wonderful things to do, that 2nd

573
00:27:49.200 --> 00:27:51.480
episode of the 1st series, you know, where she's singing.

574
00:27:51.480 --> 00:27:55.140
And I'm thinking, oh, man, this show would have killed that, you

575
00:27:55.140 --> 00:27:56.880
know, back in the day, she would have been amazing.

576
00:27:56.940 --> 00:27:59.819
It's a shame, but I'm pleased they're doing it.

577
00:28:00.539 --> 00:28:02.940
So oh, here we go.

578
00:28:03.000 --> 00:28:04.440
Gilbert and Sullivan, here we come.

579
00:28:04.500 --> 00:28:05.940
Oh, you don't like this one?

580
00:28:06.000 --> 00:28:06.779
don't like this song.

581
00:28:06.839 --> 00:28:07.440
Why?

582
00:28:07.500 --> 00:28:09.839
Because I think the lyrics are really bad.

583
00:28:09.960 --> 00:28:12.119
And to your crew.

584
00:28:12.180 --> 00:28:15.539
So the reason we have to...

585
00:28:15.539 --> 00:28:16.500
Yeah, it's very cute.

586
00:28:16.559 --> 00:28:17.640
It is very cute.

587
00:28:17.700 --> 00:28:19.680
But I do think the lyrics are kind of bad.

588
00:28:19.680 --> 00:28:28.079
And it, what this song has to do is Laan has to see, um, Una

589
00:28:28.079 --> 00:28:32.880
reveal her innermost thoughts and freak out and that's what she

590
00:28:32.880 --> 00:28:33.119
does.

591
00:28:33.180 --> 00:28:34.019
She freaks out.

592
00:28:34.079 --> 00:28:37.019
She goes to a room and she has a song where no one can hear her

593
00:28:37.019 --> 00:28:40.859
because she's terrified of revealing herself to anyone.

594
00:28:40.980 --> 00:28:45.720
I really appreciate them just going for a different musical genre

595
00:28:45.720 --> 00:28:45.900
though.

596
00:28:45.960 --> 00:28:47.579
Yeah, yeah, various points.

597
00:28:47.640 --> 00:28:51.119
And I just like the idea that she has this sort of dream of being

598
00:28:51.119 --> 00:28:54.839
on the stage, regaling everybody with hours of Gilbert and

599
00:28:54.839 --> 00:28:56.640
Sullivan. we know this about her?

600
00:28:56.700 --> 00:28:57.900
Yes, we do.

601
00:28:57.960 --> 00:28:58.680
Oh, okay.

602
00:28:58.680 --> 00:29:02.759
So in one of the short treks, it's the episode where she meets

603
00:29:02.759 --> 00:29:06.119
Spock on the Enterprise for the 1st time and they get stuck in a

604
00:29:06.119 --> 00:29:09.839
lift and they sing Gilbert and Sullivan songs together because

605
00:29:09.839 --> 00:29:11.759
Spock knows Gilbert and Sullivan as well.

606
00:29:11.819 --> 00:29:16.079
But I think it's kind of beautiful as well that he's learning here

607
00:29:16.140 --> 00:29:19.740
that the kirk that we know and love in the original, where we say

608
00:29:19.740 --> 00:29:22.319
we love how relaxed he is, you know, and how chill he is with

609
00:29:22.319 --> 00:29:22.980
people sometimes.

610
00:29:23.039 --> 00:29:28.619
And the number one who was in that original pilot of TOS and then

611
00:29:28.619 --> 00:29:30.420
got booted off for reasons.

612
00:29:31.319 --> 00:29:33.660
She teaches him how to be that.

613
00:29:33.720 --> 00:29:36.240
Look at them dancing around the corridors.

614
00:29:36.420 --> 00:29:38.460
I really like this song.

615
00:29:38.519 --> 00:29:42.660
I, I, I just, I just, from fear or dispute.

616
00:29:42.720 --> 00:29:44.039
Yeah, yeah.

617
00:29:44.099 --> 00:29:45.839
These sleep help things.

618
00:29:45.900 --> 00:29:47.160
Oh, sorry, I must stop.

619
00:29:47.220 --> 00:29:49.380
Yeah, but it's connect to your truth and all of that sort of

620
00:29:49.380 --> 00:29:49.680
thing.

621
00:29:49.740 --> 00:29:52.980
Like it's a little bit full of kind of middle management cliches

622
00:29:52.980 --> 00:29:54.359
for my taste, I think.

623
00:29:54.420 --> 00:29:56.519
And connect to your crew.

624
00:29:56.579 --> 00:29:57.900
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

625
00:29:57.960 --> 00:29:59.940
I mean, if they could teach this in my shop.

626
00:30:00.000 --> 00:30:01.920
They absolutely would, you know. right.

627
00:30:01.980 --> 00:30:06.119
So Laan's freaked out because, of course, and she already starts

628
00:30:06.119 --> 00:30:10.200
singing what she thinks before she gets to her quarters, but she's

629
00:30:10.200 --> 00:30:12.660
going straight to her quarters completely freaked out.

630
00:30:12.720 --> 00:30:14.640
She's sort of trying to hold it back.

631
00:30:14.700 --> 00:30:15.839
No, not in public, please.

632
00:30:15.900 --> 00:30:17.220
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

633
00:30:17.279 --> 00:30:18.180
Yeah.

634
00:30:18.180 --> 00:30:20.460
This song is beautiful.

635
00:30:20.519 --> 00:30:21.839
I really like this song.

636
00:30:22.019 --> 00:30:27.599
Yeah, again, the lyrics are not great, but I do think that she is

637
00:30:27.599 --> 00:30:33.180
so good, and I, you know, she's magnificent, and I'm glad that she

638
00:30:33.180 --> 00:30:35.160
gets like a big proper number.

639
00:30:35.220 --> 00:30:38.819
She is so terrific and she's been really great.

640
00:30:38.880 --> 00:30:41.700
You know, I'm going forward after this as well.

641
00:30:41.759 --> 00:30:43.920
You know what the trouble is with the lyrics, don't you?

642
00:30:43.980 --> 00:30:46.500
is that they are Star Trek lyrics.

643
00:30:46.559 --> 00:30:50.880
They are kind of po-faced and literal.

644
00:30:50.940 --> 00:30:53.400
Whereas the reason the Buffy lyrics are so great.

645
00:30:53.460 --> 00:30:56.400
It's because they're buffy lyrics because they're witty, you know

646
00:30:56.400 --> 00:30:58.980
they're sort of sitcom lines and they're sharp.

647
00:30:59.160 --> 00:31:03.240
Yeah, but but remember, this is a version of Star Trek that

648
00:31:03.240 --> 00:31:07.500
generally doesn't talk in cliches where people are actually...

649
00:31:07.500 --> 00:31:09.180
It can't be a bit po face, though.

650
00:31:09.180 --> 00:31:10.019
It can't be very serious.

651
00:31:10.079 --> 00:31:11.279
It's much more chill.

652
00:31:11.339 --> 00:31:14.400
It's much more chill than other versions of Star Trek, I think, on

653
00:31:14.400 --> 00:31:14.700
the whole.

654
00:31:15.420 --> 00:31:18.359
Oh, maybe again, you need the concession.

655
00:31:18.420 --> 00:31:21.059
If you're going to do something this off kilter.

656
00:31:21.119 --> 00:31:22.019
Maybe.

657
00:31:22.079 --> 00:31:24.180
All right, well, we'll still make it Star Trek.

658
00:31:24.240 --> 00:31:25.140
Yeah.

659
00:31:25.200 --> 00:31:28.740
Oh, no, no, it's still a shot coming out the window, yeah.

660
00:31:28.799 --> 00:31:30.000
It's wonderful, isn't it?

661
00:31:30.059 --> 00:31:33.180
It's a wibbly, wobbly musical field all around them.

662
00:31:33.240 --> 00:31:35.700
That's the official term, by the way.

663
00:31:35.759 --> 00:31:36.539
Yeah.

664
00:31:36.599 --> 00:31:37.859
No it looks like it.

665
00:31:37.920 --> 00:31:40.019
I don't think we get anything better.

666
00:31:40.079 --> 00:31:42.900
Oh, is it just called the subspace Rhapsody?

667
00:31:42.960 --> 00:31:45.539
It's a subspace fold.

668
00:31:45.599 --> 00:31:47.759
So, so, so.

669
00:31:47.819 --> 00:31:53.160
Um Yeah, she is so good, isn't she?

670
00:31:53.220 --> 00:31:54.240
And she is acting.

671
00:31:54.359 --> 00:31:57.900
There's another scene too, which is the big central scene, which

672
00:31:57.900 --> 00:32:02.640
is where she actually finally does tell the truth about herself

673
00:32:02.640 --> 00:32:04.140
where she finally...

674
00:32:04.200 --> 00:32:09.900
It's, again, it's the sort of, it's a very sort of um, TV

675
00:32:09.900 --> 00:32:13.500
character speech, but she just sells it.

676
00:32:13.559 --> 00:32:14.519
She's so good.

677
00:32:14.579 --> 00:32:18.480
What worked for me in that scene so much was I was like, oh yeah

678
00:32:18.480 --> 00:32:21.539
no, Kirk's sort of a free roamer, he snogs and fucks everyone on

679
00:32:21.539 --> 00:32:22.740
that bloody show.

680
00:32:22.799 --> 00:32:25.259
But then, of course, in the back of my head, I'm like, of course

681
00:32:25.259 --> 00:32:26.880
Carol is there.

682
00:32:26.880 --> 00:32:29.759
And, of course, this is that moment where they're trying.

683
00:32:30.119 --> 00:32:33.480
Well, I think I think too.

684
00:32:33.539 --> 00:32:38.700
I don't think he is quite as big a kind of pants man as he has the

685
00:32:38.700 --> 00:32:40.920
reputation for in the actual show.

686
00:32:40.980 --> 00:32:43.440
I think he's a much more serious character than that.

687
00:32:43.500 --> 00:32:50.400
Um, And like this relationship in episode 3 is just terrific.

688
00:32:50.460 --> 00:32:51.299
It's so good.

689
00:32:51.599 --> 00:32:57.299
This song and Celia song later in the episode are the two, I think

690
00:32:57.299 --> 00:33:00.000
that hit emotionally best in the episode, you know.

691
00:33:00.059 --> 00:33:05.039
And here is because she's sort of angry because and because we

692
00:33:05.039 --> 00:33:08.640
know her very tragic backstory, I mean, this would be the Tasha

693
00:33:08.640 --> 00:33:10.740
Yar song. if it was TNG, right?

694
00:33:13.079 --> 00:33:17.759
And that she really wants to give herself over to this and yet

695
00:33:17.759 --> 00:33:19.319
she's not letting herself do it.

696
00:33:19.380 --> 00:33:25.440
And then via music, she's she's allowing herself to emote.

697
00:33:25.500 --> 00:33:26.279
There just so much happening.

698
00:33:26.339 --> 00:33:28.799
It's really complicated what's happening emotionally with this

699
00:33:28.799 --> 00:33:29.039
song.

700
00:33:29.099 --> 00:33:30.299
Really interesting.

701
00:33:30.359 --> 00:33:30.960
Yeah.

702
00:33:31.079 --> 00:33:33.000
And she sells it.

703
00:33:33.059 --> 00:33:34.500
She just sells it musically as well.

704
00:33:34.559 --> 00:33:36.720
Yeah, she's properly good.

705
00:33:36.779 --> 00:33:39.000
She looks like she's got to cry any minute.

706
00:33:39.059 --> 00:33:40.980
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, she does.

707
00:33:41.039 --> 00:33:45.240
Well, and she does she does that final line where it sort of tails

708
00:33:45.240 --> 00:33:48.180
off and she does get emotional.

709
00:33:48.240 --> 00:33:51.539
She doesn't quite land the last line because she's too overcome

710
00:33:51.539 --> 00:33:52.019
with emotion.

711
00:33:52.079 --> 00:33:55.619
I was really scared because, you know, in the state of his report

712
00:33:55.619 --> 00:33:59.099
she's just there going, you know, security detects no threat.

713
00:33:59.160 --> 00:34:01.799
Oh, please, don't have her do it now for a whole episode.

714
00:34:01.859 --> 00:34:03.119
No.

715
00:34:03.119 --> 00:34:07.259
I mean, I think they took a good look at like, okay, let's let's

716
00:34:07.259 --> 00:34:08.159
hear you all sing.

717
00:34:08.219 --> 00:34:10.980
Right, you've got great vocals. lets go.

718
00:34:11.099 --> 00:34:15.599
I think they were always just going to do Christina and Celia

719
00:34:15.599 --> 00:34:16.079
Rose.

720
00:34:16.139 --> 00:34:19.679
Like they were just always going to get the 2 big songs, I think

721
00:34:19.679 --> 00:34:21.599
because they're just so great.

722
00:34:21.659 --> 00:34:24.539
And Chris, yeah, just stand at the back.

723
00:34:24.599 --> 00:34:25.559
All right, you'll be fine.

724
00:34:26.159 --> 00:34:28.440
Hey, friend, step forward.

725
00:34:28.500 --> 00:34:29.039
You're pretty good.

726
00:34:29.099 --> 00:34:31.440
And this is so funny.

727
00:34:31.500 --> 00:34:35.579
Like, she goes straight to the captain and says, I revealed my

728
00:34:35.579 --> 00:34:37.980
emotions through song and it's a massive problem.

729
00:34:38.099 --> 00:34:40.559
And of course, it is a kind of problem because she's been

730
00:34:40.559 --> 00:34:46.320
instructed, as we saw, in the previously on, not to talk about

731
00:34:46.320 --> 00:34:49.019
what happened between her and Kirk in the past.

732
00:34:49.079 --> 00:34:51.960
That line there was pure, strangely, well.

733
00:34:52.019 --> 00:34:54.719
Are you telling me that singing our truth?

734
00:34:54.719 --> 00:34:56.880
It constitutes a security threat?

735
00:34:56.940 --> 00:34:58.679
Her emotions?

736
00:34:58.739 --> 00:35:01.199
Well, it could, it could be if I'm honest.

737
00:35:01.260 --> 00:35:04.739
You wait till your missus turns up on the screen later, okay?

738
00:35:04.800 --> 00:35:10.980
The boys, like the 2 Kirk, like the Kirk boys together, which is

739
00:35:10.980 --> 00:35:11.519
so fun.

740
00:35:11.579 --> 00:35:15.659
Now, is he the one that just dies offscreen at the start of an

741
00:35:15.659 --> 00:35:16.739
episode of TOS?

742
00:35:16.800 --> 00:35:19.980
Yeah, it's Shatner with a moustache on.

743
00:35:20.039 --> 00:35:22.679
Yeah, he's already dead, isn't he?

744
00:35:22.739 --> 00:35:23.579
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

745
00:35:23.639 --> 00:35:24.119
Yeah.

746
00:35:24.179 --> 00:35:25.860
Oh, that's a bit miserable.

747
00:35:25.920 --> 00:35:27.539
It's lovely, likeable man.

748
00:35:27.659 --> 00:35:29.579
Yeah, he's very sweet.

749
00:35:29.639 --> 00:35:31.440
He's been in it since episode two.

750
00:35:31.500 --> 00:35:34.559
And that's the other thing is I kind of realised like you've got

751
00:35:34.559 --> 00:35:38.639
Mitchell, you've got Kirk, you've got Sam Kirk, and you've got

752
00:35:38.639 --> 00:35:41.639
Pelia all as regulars.

753
00:35:41.639 --> 00:35:48.119
Can't we, you know how they sort of destroyed Vulcan in those

754
00:35:48.119 --> 00:35:48.480
movies?

755
00:35:48.539 --> 00:35:52.199
Can't we just rewrite Kirk's brother's death then?

756
00:35:52.260 --> 00:35:54.300
And just because I really like that guy.

757
00:35:54.360 --> 00:35:56.099
I know, I know, I know.

758
00:35:56.159 --> 00:35:59.579
I'm not sure I would have liked Shatner and moustache playing him

759
00:35:59.579 --> 00:36:07.800
but the, you remember that Roger Corby, who Christine Chappell is

760
00:36:07.800 --> 00:36:12.420
awaiting for news from is in an original Trek episode as well.

761
00:36:12.599 --> 00:36:14.219
Okay.

762
00:36:14.280 --> 00:36:16.679
Yes, turns out.

763
00:36:16.739 --> 00:36:18.599
Oh, for her fiance.

764
00:36:18.659 --> 00:36:19.079
All right.

765
00:36:19.139 --> 00:36:21.900
So here's our private conversation. conversation.

766
00:36:21.960 --> 00:36:23.219
A private conversation.

767
00:36:23.760 --> 00:36:26.460
So we've all been at work.

768
00:36:26.519 --> 00:36:27.840
Have you not been at work when this has happened?

769
00:36:27.900 --> 00:36:32.460
have, you know, during a particularly bad time during a polygamous

770
00:36:32.460 --> 00:36:33.059
relationship.

771
00:36:33.119 --> 00:36:35.639
I'm like, no, please, can we do this at home?

772
00:36:36.119 --> 00:36:38.219
imagine having to sing it.

773
00:36:39.659 --> 00:36:41.280
You're right.

774
00:36:41.340 --> 00:36:43.320
The lyrics are a bit strained here.

775
00:36:43.380 --> 00:36:46.079
It's his awkwardness that's so funny.

776
00:36:46.199 --> 00:36:47.159
It's wonderful.

777
00:36:47.219 --> 00:36:51.960
And the best bit is, of course, where Christina, Christina Chong.

778
00:36:52.019 --> 00:36:54.420
I keep saying Christine Chapel and Christina Chong.

779
00:36:54.480 --> 00:36:57.659
When Laan gets up, everyone's called Chris on this show.

780
00:36:57.719 --> 00:37:03.420
When Lean gets up and turns the communicator off in order to stop

781
00:37:03.420 --> 00:37:06.420
the conversation in order to stop him from embarrassing himself

782
00:37:06.420 --> 00:37:09.239
and then he looks around and sees that he's on his knees with one

783
00:37:09.239 --> 00:37:12.539
hand on his heart and his other arm outstretched in the middle of

784
00:37:12.539 --> 00:37:12.780
a song.

785
00:37:12.840 --> 00:37:15.480
That's a dreadful rhyme, isn't it?

786
00:37:15.539 --> 00:37:18.360
It's a private conversation about our frustration.

787
00:37:18.480 --> 00:37:19.920
Oh, no, that's okay.

788
00:37:19.980 --> 00:37:23.159
And I quite like how when she comes in and says private

789
00:37:23.159 --> 00:37:23.760
conversation.

790
00:37:23.820 --> 00:37:26.460
Like, I actually think this song is not terrible.

791
00:37:26.519 --> 00:37:29.760
Speaking of somebody who wrote some lyrics this week, all right.

792
00:37:31.860 --> 00:37:35.099
It's very hard to find the right rhyme.

793
00:37:35.159 --> 00:37:36.000
That's all I'm saying.

794
00:37:36.059 --> 00:37:38.099
But look how awkward.

795
00:37:38.159 --> 00:37:39.480
Look how awkward this is.

796
00:37:39.539 --> 00:37:40.320
Oh, no, look at him.

797
00:37:40.380 --> 00:37:41.699
He's got his hand on his chest.

798
00:37:41.760 --> 00:37:45.659
And his other hand out. straight into her.

799
00:37:45.719 --> 00:37:48.420
The best thing about that whole song is everybody trying to look

800
00:37:48.420 --> 00:37:50.880
at their consoles, staring intensely at their work.

801
00:37:50.940 --> 00:37:53.579
Yeah, yeah. everyone's trying to look somewhere else.

802
00:37:53.639 --> 00:37:55.260
Bless him.

803
00:37:55.320 --> 00:37:59.760
I mean, is he the least alpha male captain we have ever had?

804
00:37:59.820 --> 00:38:02.460
He's just so chill, isn't he?

805
00:38:02.519 --> 00:38:03.420
Oh, maybe.

806
00:38:03.539 --> 00:38:04.739
Surreal.

807
00:38:04.860 --> 00:38:07.500
I think Saru's the most cerebral of all of them.

808
00:38:07.559 --> 00:38:10.679
Yeah, he's a little bit unsure of himself too, Saru.

809
00:38:10.739 --> 00:38:15.000
What I really like is just how quick we are for give me options

810
00:38:15.000 --> 00:38:17.940
and then people give options and he chooses one.

811
00:38:18.000 --> 00:38:18.840
Do you know what I mean?

812
00:38:18.900 --> 00:38:21.539
Like he doesn't come in and just say we're going to do this.

813
00:38:21.599 --> 00:38:24.059
He always solicits assistance.

814
00:38:24.119 --> 00:38:28.860
He, it's such a flat team structure on this crew.

815
00:38:28.920 --> 00:38:32.579
I really, really like that, you know, because very often the

816
00:38:32.579 --> 00:38:34.260
captains think of Archer.

817
00:38:34.320 --> 00:38:36.719
They make very bad calls, you know?

818
00:38:39.780 --> 00:38:41.519
And look at this crew.

819
00:38:41.639 --> 00:38:43.559
I mean why wouldn't you ask for their opinion?

820
00:38:43.619 --> 00:38:44.880
Well, that's great.

821
00:38:44.940 --> 00:38:47.280
And all of those scenes are so relaxed.

822
00:38:47.340 --> 00:38:51.659
You know, like we have had the scene already. haven't we, in the

823
00:38:51.659 --> 00:38:55.380
whatever the conference room is, that giant conference room?

824
00:38:55.440 --> 00:38:56.820
And now where are we?

825
00:38:56.880 --> 00:38:58.199
We're in Pike's quarters?

826
00:38:58.500 --> 00:39:01.019
No, are we in the conference room?

827
00:39:01.079 --> 00:39:03.719
I can't tell where we are, but again, we're all just sort of

828
00:39:03.719 --> 00:39:04.199
standing around.

829
00:39:04.260 --> 00:39:06.960
Did you see what Pike said then?

830
00:39:07.019 --> 00:39:08.219
I think we should blow it up.

831
00:39:08.280 --> 00:39:09.960
Yeah, before it gets out of control.

832
00:39:10.079 --> 00:39:12.360
I've just been really embarrassed on the bridge, all right?

833
00:39:12.420 --> 00:39:14.519
Oh, they're ready to all torpedoes ready.

834
00:39:16.619 --> 00:39:22.079
See, this is another space solution to the problem, and of course

835
00:39:22.079 --> 00:39:23.039
it doesn't work.

836
00:39:23.099 --> 00:39:27.780
The only thing that works is having a big finale and that's

837
00:39:27.780 --> 00:39:28.559
genius.

838
00:39:28.619 --> 00:39:33.480
Like, and the way that they manage to make the science stuff

839
00:39:33.480 --> 00:39:34.079
work.

840
00:39:34.139 --> 00:39:37.380
Make the technobabble work so that the solution is we have to have

841
00:39:37.380 --> 00:39:38.699
a big giant finale.

842
00:39:38.820 --> 00:39:42.599
I think what Ahura says is so right as well, though, because the

843
00:39:42.599 --> 00:39:45.840
singing your truth means it has the ability to bring people

844
00:39:45.840 --> 00:39:49.980
together, but also to tear people apart because we all feel stuff

845
00:39:49.980 --> 00:39:52.260
that we don't say, right?

846
00:39:52.320 --> 00:39:56.340
Now, if I was to sing you a song, Nathan, you know, it might be

847
00:39:56.340 --> 00:39:56.699
this one.

848
00:39:56.760 --> 00:39:58.500
It might get a bit awkward, you know?

849
00:39:59.699 --> 00:40:02.519
I think this song doesn't land either.

850
00:40:02.579 --> 00:40:10.800
So this is Una's 2nd song, which is called keeping secrets.

851
00:40:10.920 --> 00:40:12.780
I don't remember this one at all.

852
00:40:12.840 --> 00:40:14.340
So that's not a good sign.

853
00:40:14.400 --> 00:40:20.579
So it's very closely based on what happens in episode two.

854
00:40:20.699 --> 00:40:29.280
And episode two, which is called Ad Astra Per Aspera is incredibly

855
00:40:29.280 --> 00:40:32.639
good, like a really, really good hour of Star Trek.

856
00:40:32.699 --> 00:40:37.260
Um, um, uh, courtroom drama.

857
00:40:38.460 --> 00:40:40.380
And we find out about her backstory.

858
00:40:40.380 --> 00:40:42.000
And she's Illyrian.

859
00:40:42.059 --> 00:40:46.440
She's arrested for being Illyrian at the end of series one because

860
00:40:46.440 --> 00:40:50.280
of course Illyrians are genetically augmented.

861
00:40:50.340 --> 00:40:58.139
Uh, And so, uh, she she, um, she's been keeping the secret all her

862
00:40:58.139 --> 00:40:58.380
life.

863
00:40:58.440 --> 00:41:00.420
And so she's someone who's kept secrets.

864
00:41:00.480 --> 00:41:03.960
All of her life for self-protection and has now decided she's not

865
00:41:03.960 --> 00:41:04.619
going to do that anymore.

866
00:41:04.679 --> 00:41:07.800
I like what this song is trying to do.

867
00:41:08.219 --> 00:41:12.539
The 1st line is you've got lots of faults to wade through.

868
00:41:12.599 --> 00:41:15.119
You know, like it's clunky, isn't it?

869
00:41:15.179 --> 00:41:15.780
Yeah, yeah.

870
00:41:15.840 --> 00:41:16.199
Yeah.

871
00:41:16.260 --> 00:41:16.739
I agree.

872
00:41:16.800 --> 00:41:19.199
No broken trust, no drama.

873
00:41:19.260 --> 00:41:20.820
You just keep it to yourself.

874
00:41:20.880 --> 00:41:21.119
Yes.

875
00:41:21.179 --> 00:41:22.860
This could be night years trek now.

876
00:41:22.920 --> 00:41:23.880
They're being so literal.

877
00:41:24.000 --> 00:41:26.039
And it's really static as well.

878
00:41:26.099 --> 00:41:28.679
I mean, she is just standing there sitting to her.

879
00:41:28.860 --> 00:41:30.900
That's the other thing too.

880
00:41:31.019 --> 00:41:33.780
The Celia song in engineering.

881
00:41:33.840 --> 00:41:34.860
Watch the camera.

882
00:41:34.920 --> 00:41:37.920
Watch how it just swoops around that amazing room.

883
00:41:37.980 --> 00:41:41.639
Also her performance too. like her performance is so strong.

884
00:41:41.699 --> 00:41:46.440
And you see, the other thing too is like this shot of Christine

885
00:41:46.440 --> 00:41:51.840
and Joseph is about the secrets that occurred last episode.

886
00:41:51.900 --> 00:41:57.000
Um, the, you know, the, so this thing about keeping secrets from

887
00:41:57.000 --> 00:42:00.900
each other and not being able to communicate and stuff, like, it's

888
00:42:00.900 --> 00:42:02.579
relevant to what's happening with the others.

889
00:42:02.639 --> 00:42:05.519
We did see a shot of Chris and Marie or Chris thinking about his

890
00:42:05.519 --> 00:42:06.179
holiday.

891
00:42:06.780 --> 00:42:08.940
You know, all of that stuff about keeping people.

892
00:42:08.940 --> 00:42:10.139
I don't know.

893
00:42:10.199 --> 00:42:11.579
I don't why they're floating.

894
00:42:11.639 --> 00:42:15.000
Yeah, no. reminds me of the buffy episode at the end.

895
00:42:15.059 --> 00:42:17.940
Remember when Tara and Willow are on the dance floor and they

896
00:42:17.940 --> 00:42:20.400
finally admit how they feel for each other, but they have a pair

897
00:42:20.400 --> 00:42:20.820
of witches.

898
00:42:20.880 --> 00:42:21.719
So I kind of get that.

899
00:42:21.780 --> 00:42:22.440
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

900
00:42:22.500 --> 00:42:24.300
No, she turned the gravity off.

901
00:42:24.360 --> 00:42:27.179
She went over to get her pads so she could turn the gravity off.

902
00:42:27.300 --> 00:42:29.219
I had an important moment in the sale.

903
00:42:29.219 --> 00:42:31.980
It was a metaphor that, because, you know, she's finally unleashed

904
00:42:31.980 --> 00:42:35.280
her emotional load, that she was floating up into the air.

905
00:42:35.400 --> 00:42:37.079
Yeah, it's very strange.

906
00:42:37.199 --> 00:42:41.579
This is not peaceful. the best part of the episode, is it?

907
00:42:41.639 --> 00:42:43.980
No.

908
00:42:43.980 --> 00:42:48.300
It could have been, but I just don't think it properly sells.

909
00:42:48.300 --> 00:42:49.739
See, she's talking this stuff.

910
00:42:49.739 --> 00:42:52.920
Heroskilli, perfected so I could survive.

911
00:42:52.980 --> 00:42:56.579
This is what we learned about her in episode two.

912
00:42:56.760 --> 00:43:00.840
And she's gone from being very stitched up.

913
00:43:00.900 --> 00:43:04.500
Remember, in episode one, in series one.

914
00:43:04.559 --> 00:43:05.280
There's an episode.

915
00:43:05.340 --> 00:43:10.019
I can't remember what one where these 2 pair up and they do kind

916
00:43:10.019 --> 00:43:14.039
of enterprise bingo or whatever it is, you know, like they do the

917
00:43:14.039 --> 00:43:18.420
um, they try and sort of chill and relax and do something fun and

918
00:43:18.420 --> 00:43:22.619
interesting and they're both very rigid, very stitched up

919
00:43:22.619 --> 00:43:23.579
characters.

920
00:43:23.639 --> 00:43:28.559
Una's chilled a bit more and now she's encouraging, um, now she's

921
00:43:28.559 --> 00:43:30.360
encouraging Laan to do that.

922
00:43:30.420 --> 00:43:32.340
But in a long way...

923
00:43:32.400 --> 00:43:33.300
She goes, what is it?

924
00:43:33.300 --> 00:43:38.340
Yeah, it works before, but it doesn't serve me anymore. anymore.

925
00:43:38.400 --> 00:43:38.940
Yeah, yeah.

926
00:43:39.000 --> 00:43:41.699
And it's like, you know, there's no lines in that Buffy musical

927
00:43:41.699 --> 00:43:43.500
that are that on the nose, you know?

928
00:43:43.559 --> 00:43:45.239
Yeah, they're super couchy.

929
00:43:45.239 --> 00:43:48.960
So they're like jokes or, you know, witty lines.

930
00:43:49.019 --> 00:43:50.820
Yeah, that's what I mean.

931
00:43:50.880 --> 00:43:53.099
I think generally speaking, the lyrics are not all that good.

932
00:43:53.159 --> 00:44:00.059
Well, I think, I, yeah, I mean, I think maybe they wanted to land

933
00:44:00.059 --> 00:44:05.460
a couple of songs, so they put a ton of effort into a handful, and

934
00:44:05.460 --> 00:44:08.099
then the rest, maybe they should have done just a few less.

935
00:44:08.159 --> 00:44:10.019
Maybe that could have been a dialogue scene.

936
00:44:10.079 --> 00:44:14.219
Yeah, I think even the, I think even the very good songs, the 2

937
00:44:14.219 --> 00:44:19.500
best songs are, have lyrics are a bit clunky, clunky, I think.

938
00:44:20.340 --> 00:44:23.880
I wasn't that person as a child, you know, that sort of really

939
00:44:23.880 --> 00:44:25.980
looked into or read the lyrics of a song.

940
00:44:26.039 --> 00:44:30.000
I was far more interesting songs musically than I was what they

941
00:44:30.000 --> 00:44:30.659
were trying to say.

942
00:44:30.719 --> 00:44:32.699
So I've never really studied lyrics.

943
00:44:32.760 --> 00:44:36.719
So I think maybe I can just let the sweep of the emotional, the

944
00:44:36.719 --> 00:44:40.199
best songs, you know, go past without sort of going, Oh, what does

945
00:44:40.199 --> 00:44:40.679
she just say?

946
00:44:40.739 --> 00:44:41.280
Ouch.

947
00:44:41.639 --> 00:44:46.320
I love these diagrams that they do that look really, really

948
00:44:46.320 --> 00:44:48.059
classic trek.

949
00:44:48.119 --> 00:44:49.800
You know, they look really original trag.

950
00:44:49.860 --> 00:44:54.420
Now, this we must discuss, because they're setting up a joke

951
00:44:54.420 --> 00:44:59.280
towards the end of the episode, and it's my least favourite part

952
00:44:59.280 --> 00:45:00.000
of the episode.

953
00:45:00.059 --> 00:45:04.380
I think it really doesn't land and that is our boy band, Klingons

954
00:45:04.380 --> 00:45:05.400
that turn up.

955
00:45:05.460 --> 00:45:10.320
Now, I would have given them rock or something amazing to sing, and

956
00:45:10.320 --> 00:45:12.960
instead, it's Klingon Backstreet Boys.

957
00:45:13.019 --> 00:45:16.199
Oh, God, it's just...

958
00:45:16.199 --> 00:45:17.760
Yeah, but that there.

959
00:45:17.820 --> 00:45:20.940
And I know we should have made concessions for these po-face

960
00:45:20.940 --> 00:45:24.539
fuckers that one Star Trek to be as serious as it used to be

961
00:45:24.539 --> 00:45:25.739
threshold.

962
00:45:25.800 --> 00:45:30.780
But that is too much for a large portion of this.

963
00:45:30.780 --> 00:45:31.440
I like that.

964
00:45:31.500 --> 00:45:34.619
Because I thought I was expecting Klingon on Crash.

965
00:45:34.739 --> 00:45:41.039
And so this is, of course, Bruce Horac, who played Hammer. and

966
00:45:41.039 --> 00:45:42.719
yeah.

967
00:45:42.780 --> 00:45:48.119
And my feeling is that, yeah, he does come back for an episode

968
00:45:48.119 --> 00:45:52.139
this year, he is in an episode called Charades in episode 5

969
00:45:52.139 --> 00:45:54.840
playing Hammer in flashback and stuff.

970
00:45:54.900 --> 00:46:03.179
Um, he, um, I think I, I'm not sure about uh, Bruce Horak.

971
00:46:03.239 --> 00:46:05.099
I think he might be gay.

972
00:46:05.159 --> 00:46:06.480
He's at least an ally.

973
00:46:06.539 --> 00:46:09.239
I've certainly seen him wearing rainbow pins and stuff.

974
00:46:09.599 --> 00:46:14.460
And I think they've come on, oh, we can't leave Bruce out of a

975
00:46:14.460 --> 00:46:15.239
musical episode.

976
00:46:15.360 --> 00:46:18.539
We have a musical episode, we have to have brews.

977
00:46:18.599 --> 00:46:21.059
If the Klingon's fire on it, what's the danger?

978
00:46:21.119 --> 00:46:22.920
That this musical explode.

979
00:46:22.980 --> 00:46:27.239
It's got to encompass everybody and everyone will sing across the

980
00:46:27.239 --> 00:46:28.019
entire universe.

981
00:46:28.079 --> 00:46:28.980
No, no.

982
00:46:29.039 --> 00:46:32.519
Everyone who's affected by the subspace fold will die, because

983
00:46:32.519 --> 00:46:36.480
they, remember, they beam the particles into engineering to see

984
00:46:36.480 --> 00:46:40.380
whether they can fire on it, and they explode catastrophically, and

985
00:46:40.380 --> 00:46:45.599
then we cut immediately to a scene saying, no, we can't do Captain

986
00:46:45.599 --> 00:46:48.659
Pike's suggestion of blowing the thing up because it would blow

987
00:46:48.659 --> 00:46:50.940
everything up that's affected by it.

988
00:46:51.000 --> 00:46:54.000
I mean, those are stakes, Nathan, but I think they're quite boring

989
00:46:54.000 --> 00:46:54.480
stakes.

990
00:46:54.539 --> 00:46:58.199
I like the idea that that that field might go out across the

991
00:46:58.199 --> 00:47:00.480
universe and everyone's going to be singing their truth.

992
00:47:00.599 --> 00:47:03.420
Can you imagine what a political disaster that would be?

993
00:47:03.480 --> 00:47:07.559
But I also think, though, that their musical episode is an episode

994
00:47:07.559 --> 00:47:12.239
where we threaten to blow up the entire federation.

995
00:47:12.360 --> 00:47:15.719
Like, I think it's allowed us that the stakes are so high.

996
00:47:15.780 --> 00:47:18.059
Even worse. imagine, right?

997
00:47:18.119 --> 00:47:18.360
Yeah.

998
00:47:18.420 --> 00:47:22.920
It's also a temporal rift, and the stakes are that all of Star

999
00:47:22.920 --> 00:47:27.300
Trek from TOS to the modern day could be a musical.

1000
00:47:27.360 --> 00:47:30.300
We're going to re- redefine the whole of Star Trek as a musical.

1001
00:47:30.360 --> 00:47:32.159
That would really get the fans in a tizzy.

1002
00:47:32.219 --> 00:47:34.380
Yeah, now this song here.

1003
00:47:34.440 --> 00:47:39.000
So this song about Christine leaving and being happy to go and

1004
00:47:39.000 --> 00:47:41.639
basically see you later, Spock.

1005
00:47:41.699 --> 00:47:42.599
Like, I'm off.

1006
00:47:42.659 --> 00:47:45.119
I really didn't like her in this scene.

1007
00:47:45.179 --> 00:47:50.280
So what has happened, of course, 2 episodes ago, is that amazing

1008
00:47:50.280 --> 00:47:55.739
scene in the lift between her and Boimler, where Boimler basically

1009
00:47:55.739 --> 00:48:02.099
accidentally lets it slip that the relationship never works. that

1010
00:48:02.099 --> 00:48:05.219
he's unaware that there's a successful relationship.

1011
00:48:05.280 --> 00:48:08.760
He thinks that Spock is behaving uncharacteristically, and

1012
00:48:08.760 --> 00:48:11.699
Christina realises, 0 my god, this relationship never goes

1013
00:48:11.699 --> 00:48:12.179
anywhere.

1014
00:48:12.239 --> 00:48:16.320
And so for the last, for the end of that episode and in the

1015
00:48:16.320 --> 00:48:21.300
previous episode, they have been, um, you know, we saw it in the

1016
00:48:21.300 --> 00:48:22.320
in the previously on.

1017
00:48:22.380 --> 00:48:24.719
They've been unable to communicate.

1018
00:48:24.780 --> 00:48:27.420
She's been wanting to let him go because she knows he's going to

1019
00:48:27.420 --> 00:48:27.900
drop her.

1020
00:48:28.739 --> 00:48:31.079
Well, that's kind of shit though.

1021
00:48:31.139 --> 00:48:34.260
If someone came and said to me, you know, Joe, I'm really sorry

1022
00:48:34.260 --> 00:48:36.239
but you and Nathan, you don't make it, right?

1023
00:48:36.360 --> 00:48:38.579
And I was going, well, fuck the future.

1024
00:48:38.639 --> 00:48:39.179
I don't care.

1025
00:48:39.239 --> 00:48:40.260
Like let's go.

1026
00:48:40.320 --> 00:48:43.079
No, but it's a space thing. you know what I mean?

1027
00:48:43.139 --> 00:48:44.039
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1028
00:48:44.099 --> 00:48:46.980
But it's the, you know, this is genre brain.

1029
00:48:47.039 --> 00:48:47.940
We can't change time.

1030
00:48:48.000 --> 00:48:51.119
She knows the relationship isn't going to work.

1031
00:48:51.179 --> 00:48:54.239
And so that's why she's been doing this.

1032
00:48:54.300 --> 00:48:56.340
She's been trying to put some distance between them.

1033
00:48:56.699 --> 00:49:00.420
And then he comes and provokes this song.

1034
00:49:00.480 --> 00:49:06.659
So that Ahura can use her magical tricorder to solve the problem.

1035
00:49:06.719 --> 00:49:11.219
I figured this song was going for the vibe that we got in those

1036
00:49:11.219 --> 00:49:15.780
wonderful party scenes in that discovery episode in series one.

1037
00:49:15.840 --> 00:49:19.260
Do you remember when Tilly was pissed as houses and everyone's

1038
00:49:19.260 --> 00:49:20.699
having the best time?

1039
00:49:20.760 --> 00:49:22.739
I just don't think it was quite there.

1040
00:49:22.800 --> 00:49:26.820
I mean, I was going, man, they should be doing some sort of Latin

1041
00:49:26.820 --> 00:49:29.159
music for this, this number. would be great.

1042
00:49:29.219 --> 00:49:32.579
I think the problem is that the choreography's not there.

1043
00:49:32.639 --> 00:49:36.900
Yeah, no, absolutely right. lavish dance number, but instead

1044
00:49:36.900 --> 00:49:39.719
they've just told all of the crew to just dance. you know, just

1045
00:49:39.719 --> 00:49:40.559
like...

1046
00:49:40.559 --> 00:49:42.480
This looks like me, dolls in a apartment.

1047
00:49:42.539 --> 00:49:43.440
Yeah, that's a problem.

1048
00:49:43.500 --> 00:49:46.920
That's right So lifting her in the air and having what is she

1049
00:49:46.920 --> 00:49:47.340
doing?

1050
00:49:47.460 --> 00:49:48.420
Jumping up and down there.

1051
00:49:48.539 --> 00:49:52.920
It's like we're back in that party in the Dax marriage episode.

1052
00:49:52.980 --> 00:49:54.960
Do you remember, we're Nob doing this crazy dancing.

1053
00:49:55.139 --> 00:49:59.880
Yeah, actually, I think that that's, without the music, it looks

1054
00:49:59.880 --> 00:50:00.840
worse somehow.

1055
00:50:00.960 --> 00:50:01.860
Yeah, yeah.

1056
00:50:01.920 --> 00:50:05.340
I think this needed better Corey, but for this song to work

1057
00:50:05.340 --> 00:50:06.900
because that's the sort of number it is.

1058
00:50:06.960 --> 00:50:10.860
And I think she's got a great deep voice and a really sexy voice

1059
00:50:10.860 --> 00:50:14.099
and she sounds like someone who doesn't need a man.

1060
00:50:14.400 --> 00:50:16.079
And I think that works really well.

1061
00:50:16.139 --> 00:50:19.380
And then, of course, when he comes back and does his song, it has

1062
00:50:19.380 --> 00:50:20.159
the same tune.

1063
00:50:20.219 --> 00:50:24.239
So his song is a response to that and it's the same tune, but a

1064
00:50:24.239 --> 00:50:24.900
different arrangement.

1065
00:50:24.960 --> 00:50:28.619
What's important is it hits emotionally because I really care

1066
00:50:28.619 --> 00:50:31.679
about Spock in this scene and what he's going through.

1067
00:50:32.099 --> 00:50:38.219
And in fact, the she's so she's so convincing in her, you know, I'm

1068
00:50:38.219 --> 00:50:43.019
ready, I'm ready to go, you know, and and so alive and vital and

1069
00:50:43.019 --> 00:50:46.320
like, you know, I'm going to leave all this behind and find my

1070
00:50:46.320 --> 00:50:46.619
way.

1071
00:50:46.739 --> 00:50:51.719
Um, yeah, I just thought, oh, he's just there.

1072
00:50:51.780 --> 00:50:58.980
I think I can see her feeling bad about Spock at that moment, like

1073
00:50:58.980 --> 00:51:01.139
aware of what she's doing to Spock.

1074
00:51:01.199 --> 00:51:02.699
And Spock makes it happen.

1075
00:51:02.760 --> 00:51:05.699
He goes in there and says, you know, were you going to tell me

1076
00:51:05.699 --> 00:51:09.179
like he tries to provoke an emotional reaction from her for the

1077
00:51:09.179 --> 00:51:12.239
sake of the experiment and that it goes horribly wrong and

1078
00:51:12.239 --> 00:51:13.139
backfires on him?

1079
00:51:13.199 --> 00:51:14.820
I think it's quite a good scene.

1080
00:51:14.880 --> 00:51:18.780
Those those moments in this episode.

1081
00:51:18.840 --> 00:51:21.059
They're the ones that hit the most. the ones you can sort of

1082
00:51:21.059 --> 00:51:21.659
relate to.

1083
00:51:21.719 --> 00:51:25.079
Yeah, I've been that person where the person that I have feelings

1084
00:51:25.079 --> 00:51:29.400
for is moving on and I have been that person where I desperately

1085
00:51:29.400 --> 00:51:32.880
wanted to tell somebody how I was feeling and I just couldn't do

1086
00:51:32.880 --> 00:51:34.199
it, like La on.

1087
00:51:34.260 --> 00:51:38.940
And yeah, those are the moments that speak to me in this episode.

1088
00:51:39.000 --> 00:51:41.940
I think this scene, this is the scene I mentioned before, where

1089
00:51:41.940 --> 00:51:44.099
she says, look, I'm going to tell you now otherwise it comes out

1090
00:51:44.099 --> 00:51:47.340
in the form of a 17th century siege shanty.

1091
00:51:47.400 --> 00:51:49.380
I kind of wanted...

1092
00:51:49.440 --> 00:51:50.579
Does he say at any point?

1093
00:51:50.639 --> 00:51:51.840
Yeah, that wasn't me, though.

1094
00:51:51.900 --> 00:51:53.460
Does he say that?

1095
00:51:53.820 --> 00:51:55.739
It's funnier than that.

1096
00:51:55.800 --> 00:51:56.639
It's even better that.

1097
00:51:57.599 --> 00:52:02.639
The way that she talks here, which is a long speech and, you know

1098
00:52:02.639 --> 00:52:06.659
a speech where a character is just revealing what they think, which

1099
00:52:06.659 --> 00:52:09.719
has the potential, I think, to be really bad.

1100
00:52:09.780 --> 00:52:14.639
She sounds like she's thinking of it as she's saying it.

1101
00:52:14.699 --> 00:52:15.599
Do you know what I mean?

1102
00:52:15.659 --> 00:52:18.420
And there's little disfluencies, there's little hesitances and

1103
00:52:18.420 --> 00:52:21.599
stuff and the way she's looking, she's not looking at him all the

1104
00:52:21.599 --> 00:52:21.900
time.

1105
00:52:21.960 --> 00:52:23.400
She looks up, she looks away.

1106
00:52:23.460 --> 00:52:25.079
She's thinking.

1107
00:52:25.139 --> 00:52:30.960
It's just a really, really good, just a well-delivered speech, I

1108
00:52:30.960 --> 00:52:31.260
think.

1109
00:52:31.320 --> 00:52:35.579
And the most emotional speech in the thing, apart from maybe Celia

1110
00:52:35.579 --> 00:52:36.659
Rose's song.

1111
00:52:36.719 --> 00:52:38.039
And it's not a song.

1112
00:52:38.099 --> 00:52:42.239
And that's the triumph of it is she's decided she's just going to

1113
00:52:42.239 --> 00:52:43.139
do it herself.

1114
00:52:43.199 --> 00:52:47.699
And it's great, I think. before it comes out as an embarrassing

1115
00:52:47.699 --> 00:52:48.119
song.

1116
00:52:48.239 --> 00:52:53.280
And given what happens to her in the next 2 episodes as well.

1117
00:52:53.340 --> 00:53:00.659
We do see a lot, who does change and grow, I think, at the

1118
00:53:00.659 --> 00:53:01.619
beginning of series three.

1119
00:53:02.460 --> 00:53:04.139
She's great.

1120
00:53:04.199 --> 00:53:09.000
I mean, I 1st saw her in a, where he says, was he anything like

1121
00:53:09.000 --> 00:53:10.679
the other me and she goes, no.

1122
00:53:11.099 --> 00:53:13.019
Yeah, that's really nice.

1123
00:53:13.079 --> 00:53:18.840
I 1st saw her in a Doctor Who episode and I kind of wouldn't have

1124
00:53:18.840 --> 00:53:22.619
expected that she was capable of all this with what I saw in that

1125
00:53:22.619 --> 00:53:25.139
episode because she sort of underwritten.

1126
00:53:25.199 --> 00:53:26.460
Yeah, in that.

1127
00:53:26.519 --> 00:53:28.199
And I'm really pleased.

1128
00:53:28.260 --> 00:53:32.940
They took a tunnel for this because she's well, she's my standout

1129
00:53:32.940 --> 00:53:34.679
character in this show. of all of them.

1130
00:53:36.119 --> 00:53:41.340
I mean, I always fall for the ones that can't quite MO in the way

1131
00:53:41.340 --> 00:53:42.000
that they want to.

1132
00:53:42.239 --> 00:53:47.760
I think Ahura is maybe the best, like my favourite character and

1133
00:53:47.760 --> 00:53:49.619
perhaps the best actor on the show.

1134
00:53:50.159 --> 00:53:52.199
I always love terrific.

1135
00:53:52.260 --> 00:53:53.519
I always like the bitch.

1136
00:53:53.579 --> 00:53:55.500
They're always the best for me, you know.

1137
00:53:55.559 --> 00:53:58.559
Seven of No Iden Voyager when she's a right cow, you know?

1138
00:53:58.559 --> 00:54:01.619
But really, with a heart of gold.

1139
00:54:01.679 --> 00:54:02.820
Yeah, yeah.

1140
00:54:02.880 --> 00:54:03.780
I think she's wonderful.

1141
00:54:03.840 --> 00:54:08.099
I think she is really good I mean, early Kira and DS 9.

1142
00:54:08.159 --> 00:54:09.599
You wouldn't want to be around her too much.

1143
00:54:09.659 --> 00:54:13.980
Well, of course, next week is the finale, which is called hegemony

1144
00:54:13.980 --> 00:54:17.639
uh, and it's the gone 2 parter.

1145
00:54:17.699 --> 00:54:18.480
It's, um...

1146
00:54:18.480 --> 00:54:19.980
Oh, I love to go.

1147
00:54:19.980 --> 00:54:21.420
It's best of both worlds, part one.

1148
00:54:21.480 --> 00:54:23.579
They start tearing through corpses again.

1149
00:54:23.639 --> 00:54:24.719
It's amazing.

1150
00:54:24.780 --> 00:54:25.920
Oh, wonderful.

1151
00:54:25.980 --> 00:54:28.320
Yes, that was, oh, we watched that one together, didn't we?

1152
00:54:28.380 --> 00:54:29.340
I was hiding behind a cushion.

1153
00:54:29.400 --> 00:54:30.480
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1154
00:54:30.539 --> 00:54:31.739
Bloody...

1155
00:54:31.739 --> 00:54:34.619
That man dragged down the corridor, the bloody trail behind.

1156
00:54:36.539 --> 00:54:40.139
We've done that on this, I think. haven't we?

1157
00:54:40.199 --> 00:54:41.159
No, we have.

1158
00:54:41.219 --> 00:54:41.880
Have we?

1159
00:54:41.880 --> 00:54:42.840
I think so.

1160
00:54:42.900 --> 00:54:46.440
I can't remember Oh, actually, oh, no, we were both screaming when

1161
00:54:46.440 --> 00:54:52.260
that blue man was, when they did the spaceball stroke aliens bit

1162
00:54:52.260 --> 00:54:54.840
where the Gordon tears his way out of it.

1163
00:54:54.900 --> 00:54:57.000
Oh, okay, here we go.

1164
00:54:57.059 --> 00:54:59.760
Time for the big powerhouse number.

1165
00:54:59.880 --> 00:55:04.739
Well, no, before that, we've got, we've got Spock's response to

1166
00:55:04.739 --> 00:55:06.480
Christine.

1167
00:55:06.539 --> 00:55:08.280
This was a little muted, this song as well.

1168
00:55:09.059 --> 00:55:13.679
But again, I think it's, like, it's muted partly because it's

1169
00:55:13.679 --> 00:55:21.179
Spock. and he, like, Ethan is, is more adventurous and lets go a

1170
00:55:21.179 --> 00:55:24.420
little bit more with the singing than he does in the opening one

1171
00:55:24.420 --> 00:55:28.079
which is more sort of funny and and technobabbly here.

1172
00:55:28.139 --> 00:55:31.079
Like, this is more heartfelt, I think.

1173
00:55:31.139 --> 00:55:33.599
I mean, he's so pretty.

1174
00:55:33.659 --> 00:55:36.659
I had to put a lyric in our song about him being for lunch.

1175
00:55:36.840 --> 00:55:39.000
He's very pretty.

1176
00:55:39.059 --> 00:55:41.159
That was the only line that definitely had to go in.

1177
00:55:43.019 --> 00:55:45.840
He's so pretty and so restrained.

1178
00:55:45.900 --> 00:55:48.119
You just want to do terrible things to him, honestly.

1179
00:55:48.179 --> 00:55:51.420
Do you know, speaking of pretty, I'm sad that we didn't get to see

1180
00:55:51.420 --> 00:55:55.559
Bob April seeing in his glorious baritone about what he wanted to

1181
00:55:55.559 --> 00:55:56.400
have her next.

1182
00:55:56.460 --> 00:55:57.480
That would have been really something.

1183
00:55:57.539 --> 00:56:01.199
Can I quickly ask you a question while this scene plays out?

1184
00:56:01.380 --> 00:56:05.519
which Star Trek show do you imagine would have given us the worst

1185
00:56:05.519 --> 00:56:06.659
musical of all?

1186
00:56:08.159 --> 00:56:10.199
Of original songs.

1187
00:56:10.739 --> 00:56:14.820
I think Star Trek the Next Generation, for sure.

1188
00:56:14.880 --> 00:56:17.699
Oh, you know, Gates McFadden?

1189
00:56:17.760 --> 00:56:18.300
my god.

1190
00:56:18.420 --> 00:56:23.639
Um, Like, but I just think, like, how could you do a Star Trek

1191
00:56:23.639 --> 00:56:24.900
musical with those characters?

1192
00:56:24.960 --> 00:56:26.760
you know, like, I mean, just what would you do?

1193
00:56:26.820 --> 00:56:28.139
What could you possibly say about them?

1194
00:56:28.199 --> 00:56:31.920
Because it's so stiff that show is so stiff.

1195
00:56:31.980 --> 00:56:35.639
I think DSO might, the characters are well defined enough that I

1196
00:56:35.639 --> 00:56:38.880
think you probably could with that one, but Voyager?

1197
00:56:38.940 --> 00:56:40.800
I mean, imagine Robert Duncan McNeil.

1198
00:56:40.860 --> 00:56:41.579
Oh my god.

1199
00:56:41.639 --> 00:56:43.500
Yeah, come on, look at the join.

1200
00:56:43.559 --> 00:56:44.219
Where's the join?

1201
00:56:44.280 --> 00:56:45.420
I can't see the join.

1202
00:56:45.539 --> 00:56:48.300
There can be a whole song, you know, about Robert Duncan

1203
00:56:48.300 --> 00:56:48.840
O'Neil's.

1204
00:56:48.840 --> 00:56:51.659
Tom Paris's obsession from season 2 trucks.

1205
00:56:51.780 --> 00:56:55.019
Trucks, cartoons. you know, Irish towns.

1206
00:56:56.519 --> 00:56:58.440
What would you call it?

1207
00:56:58.500 --> 00:57:00.840
What the hell is he obsessed with this week?

1208
00:57:00.900 --> 00:57:03.960
Oh my god, that set is incredible.

1209
00:57:04.019 --> 00:57:05.579
Just so incredible.

1210
00:57:05.639 --> 00:57:06.719
Where is the wall?

1211
00:57:06.780 --> 00:57:07.920
Can you please tell me?

1212
00:57:07.980 --> 00:57:08.699
I can't tell.

1213
00:57:08.760 --> 00:57:09.780
I can't tell.

1214
00:57:11.460 --> 00:57:14.460
Did you see how shiny those floors are?

1215
00:57:14.519 --> 00:57:18.239
I mean, they must say to them, leisurely, right, get the shiners

1216
00:57:18.239 --> 00:57:19.619
in and then we'll do the scene.

1217
00:57:19.679 --> 00:57:24.000
It's the, it's exactly what I said to you right, right at the

1218
00:57:24.000 --> 00:57:27.599
beginning of Untitled Star Trek project about the problem with 90s

1219
00:57:27.599 --> 00:57:30.480
strike is there's no reflective surfaces and reflective surfaces

1220
00:57:30.480 --> 00:57:34.800
are expensive because the camera can be seen in them and you have

1221
00:57:34.800 --> 00:57:36.179
to make sure that it isn't.

1222
00:57:36.239 --> 00:57:40.739
And I think this looks expensive partly because the surfaces are

1223
00:57:40.739 --> 00:57:41.280
all reflected.

1224
00:57:41.340 --> 00:57:46.380
I think there's a few more than you are care to admit in not East

1225
00:57:46.380 --> 00:57:46.800
track.

1226
00:57:46.800 --> 00:57:49.320
Because there's plenty of reflective services in DS9.

1227
00:57:49.500 --> 00:57:52.860
All of those bloody consoles in Cisco's room reflect all the

1228
00:57:52.860 --> 00:57:53.579
lights and everything.

1229
00:57:53.639 --> 00:57:54.300
That's all.

1230
00:57:54.360 --> 00:58:00.119
But like all everything is matte or kind of, you know, um, the

1231
00:58:00.119 --> 00:58:00.900
sort of music.

1232
00:58:00.900 --> 00:58:05.039
I mean, this is 30 years later, we're much more sophisticated

1233
00:58:05.039 --> 00:58:07.079
filming techniques. much better.

1234
00:58:07.139 --> 00:58:08.880
That's right. 30 years better.

1235
00:58:10.320 --> 00:58:13.679
Yeah, but look, Ethan's killing it here, I think.

1236
00:58:13.800 --> 00:58:15.360
He's doing really well.

1237
00:58:15.420 --> 00:58:17.219
Yeah, he can sing anything.

1238
00:58:17.280 --> 00:58:21.659
I just want to look at him He, we do actually continue with the

1239
00:58:21.659 --> 00:58:24.719
Christina and Spock, Christine.

1240
00:58:24.780 --> 00:58:25.739
Goodness me.

1241
00:58:25.920 --> 00:58:32.039
With the Christine and Spock plot into episode 3 next year, the

1242
00:58:32.039 --> 00:58:34.559
most recent episode I've seen centres on it as well.

1243
00:58:34.679 --> 00:58:37.679
Oh my god, a pattern, she says.

1244
00:58:38.519 --> 00:58:40.619
I mean, do you know what?

1245
00:58:40.679 --> 00:58:44.579
I love I love the conclusion this episode draws in that.

1246
00:58:44.639 --> 00:58:47.760
She can connect everybody emotionally at the end of the episode.

1247
00:58:47.820 --> 00:58:50.460
Oh boy, do they not land it?

1248
00:58:50.519 --> 00:58:53.400
Yeah, I don't think I think the song is not very good.

1249
00:58:53.460 --> 00:58:54.780
It's a shame.

1250
00:58:54.840 --> 00:58:58.199
It should have been the most impressive musical number, shouldn't

1251
00:58:58.199 --> 00:58:58.440
it?

1252
00:58:58.500 --> 00:59:00.840
And it should have really made you feel.

1253
00:59:00.960 --> 00:59:02.280
Yeah.

1254
00:59:02.340 --> 00:59:06.719
I think part of the problem is that the song is about the

1255
00:59:06.719 --> 00:59:10.980
enterprise are not about the crew, and that's the problem.

1256
00:59:11.039 --> 00:59:14.460
It's a song about the show and not about the characters.

1257
00:59:14.519 --> 00:59:18.780
And when you think about, is it but to connect, what was the, there

1258
00:59:18.780 --> 00:59:21.239
was that episode of Discovery where they all get together in the

1259
00:59:21.239 --> 00:59:25.739
Cargo Bay and watch, a film at the end, and it's entirely about

1260
00:59:25.739 --> 00:59:30.960
how much the crew, uh, gosh, she's good.

1261
00:59:31.019 --> 00:59:32.940
She is so good here.

1262
00:59:33.000 --> 00:59:36.360
Like, again...

1263
00:59:36.420 --> 00:59:38.699
It's actually a bit of a shame we're mute, isn't it?

1264
00:59:38.760 --> 00:59:40.019
The ones in the episode.

1265
00:59:40.139 --> 00:59:45.420
Oh, she, I mean, she sings, she's just got a beautiful voice, but

1266
00:59:45.420 --> 00:59:46.920
she's acting her way through it.

1267
00:59:46.980 --> 00:59:48.780
She feels the whole thing.

1268
00:59:48.900 --> 00:59:55.019
What surprised me was sort of about the 1st 3rd of this song, I

1269
00:59:55.019 --> 00:59:58.980
was like, oh, wow, this is all going to be quite understated, this

1270
00:59:58.980 --> 00:59:59.280
song.

1271
00:59:59.340 --> 01:00:03.900
And then somewhere halfway through the song, she just lets rip and

1272
01:00:03.900 --> 01:00:04.800
then she doesn't come down.

1273
01:00:04.860 --> 01:00:09.059
She gets higher and higher and higher until, you know, the glass

1274
01:00:09.059 --> 01:00:12.179
in that room is threatening to shatter with the power of her

1275
01:00:12.179 --> 01:00:12.599
voice.

1276
01:00:13.199 --> 01:00:17.039
But and like this is so great.

1277
01:00:17.099 --> 01:00:20.219
Like, it's this thing all of these terrible things have happened

1278
01:00:20.219 --> 01:00:21.179
to me.

1279
01:00:21.239 --> 01:00:22.440
I'm on my own.

1280
01:00:22.500 --> 01:00:25.139
There's no one that I ever really connect to.

1281
01:00:25.199 --> 01:00:29.159
And that was all through series one with Hammer that was what her

1282
01:00:29.159 --> 01:00:31.199
relationship with Hammer was all about.

1283
01:00:31.559 --> 01:00:34.980
You know, that she didn't feel like she belonged anywhere.

1284
01:00:35.039 --> 01:00:37.199
She wasn't sure she wanted to be in Starfleet.

1285
01:00:37.260 --> 01:00:40.380
She ended up here because of her, you know, the death of her

1286
01:00:40.380 --> 01:00:40.800
family.

1287
01:00:40.860 --> 01:00:45.300
Then Hammer dies and remember her reaction to that.

1288
01:00:45.360 --> 01:00:49.019
Like, part of the reason that's so heartbreaking is because you've

1289
01:00:49.019 --> 01:00:54.179
got Celia Rose Gooding, they're just absolutely selling how upset

1290
01:00:54.179 --> 01:00:54.900
she is about.

1291
01:00:55.019 --> 01:00:58.440
I mean, I'm sort of pleased that she is because I'm reading the

1292
01:00:58.440 --> 01:00:59.099
lyrics now.

1293
01:00:59.159 --> 01:01:02.039
I wasn't really listening to the lyrics when I was hearing the

1294
01:01:02.039 --> 01:01:02.280
song.

1295
01:01:02.340 --> 01:01:05.880
She just said when we 1st met, I was a cadet.

1296
01:01:05.940 --> 01:01:07.739
I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1297
01:01:07.800 --> 01:01:12.659
But there's that thing where she says, I absorb all the pain and

1298
01:01:12.659 --> 01:01:17.039
she just goes, hmm, and it's the same point where she says...

1299
01:01:17.099 --> 01:01:21.960
The camera pulling out into that the whole scale of the room.

1300
01:01:22.019 --> 01:01:25.559
And she's saying, why does my life have to be like this?

1301
01:01:25.619 --> 01:01:30.719
Why am I, well, everywhere I go, I'm solo, you know, why am I at

1302
01:01:30.719 --> 01:01:31.860
my best unaccompanied?

1303
01:01:31.920 --> 01:01:35.219
All I do is solve everyone else's problems and make everyone else

1304
01:01:35.219 --> 01:01:35.699
connect.

1305
01:01:35.760 --> 01:01:37.320
And at the end of the day, I'm alone.

1306
01:01:37.380 --> 01:01:42.960
And then, and then one floor with the song is I don't know how she

1307
01:01:42.960 --> 01:01:45.960
goes from that to where she ends up.

1308
01:01:46.019 --> 01:01:48.300
So she sees the patterns on the thing.

1309
01:01:48.360 --> 01:01:52.019
She realises what's happening and then she goes, actually it's

1310
01:01:52.019 --> 01:01:52.440
okay.

1311
01:01:52.500 --> 01:01:54.360
I am okay by myself.

1312
01:01:54.420 --> 01:01:55.920
I do great work.

1313
01:01:55.980 --> 01:01:57.239
I'm doing a good thing.

1314
01:01:57.300 --> 01:01:59.099
I've solved the problem.

1315
01:01:59.159 --> 01:02:01.679
But the song doesn't quite land it, I think.

1316
01:02:01.800 --> 01:02:05.760
I mean, I'm so sorry, love, but you go to end up having one line

1317
01:02:05.760 --> 01:02:07.320
per episode in TOS.

1318
01:02:07.380 --> 01:02:09.420
Just going to be sitting there.

1319
01:02:09.599 --> 01:02:12.719
But did you know that short where the camera came out?

1320
01:02:12.780 --> 01:02:16.559
It's like her voice is filling that entire way out space.

1321
01:02:16.619 --> 01:02:18.960
So impressive. wonderful.

1322
01:02:19.260 --> 01:02:22.320
And there should have been more of this sort of stuff too.

1323
01:02:22.380 --> 01:02:24.480
Her voice was so powerful there.

1324
01:02:24.539 --> 01:02:27.360
Those equations flying around her all exploded.

1325
01:02:27.420 --> 01:02:30.420
Yeah, there should have been more of that too, I think.

1326
01:02:30.539 --> 01:02:32.639
They'd look at her.

1327
01:02:32.699 --> 01:02:34.019
She's just killing it.

1328
01:02:34.079 --> 01:02:36.420
The camera's going around and around and around and around.

1329
01:02:36.480 --> 01:02:37.380
Now once I don't mind.

1330
01:02:37.440 --> 01:02:38.280
We're doing musical.

1331
01:02:38.519 --> 01:02:40.739
Get that drone moving.

1332
01:02:42.599 --> 01:02:45.179
Actually, I'm not sure it is a drone.

1333
01:02:45.239 --> 01:02:47.099
No, no, it's just a camera.

1334
01:02:47.159 --> 01:02:47.880
Look at her.

1335
01:02:47.940 --> 01:02:48.719
Look at her.

1336
01:02:48.780 --> 01:02:50.280
It's not brakes, is it?

1337
01:02:50.340 --> 01:02:51.480
It's fake's doing this one.

1338
01:02:51.539 --> 01:02:52.920
No, no, it's not Frakes doing this.

1339
01:02:52.980 --> 01:02:55.980
No, it needed a musical director.

1340
01:02:56.039 --> 01:02:57.960
Yes, yeah, I think, and it is someone, I think.

1341
01:02:58.019 --> 01:03:00.059
Oh my god, she's good.

1342
01:03:00.119 --> 01:03:02.039
She's so good.

1343
01:03:02.099 --> 01:03:06.659
She must have taken a good look at the song and gone, oh, look at

1344
01:03:06.659 --> 01:03:07.440
these lyrics.

1345
01:03:07.500 --> 01:03:07.800
Right.

1346
01:03:07.860 --> 01:03:09.119
Okay, I'm going to slip.

1347
01:03:09.179 --> 01:03:10.920
Yeah, she's so good.

1348
01:03:10.980 --> 01:03:12.360
Just so terrify.

1349
01:03:13.199 --> 01:03:19.079
Yeah, I wonder, you know, because they're given such impressive

1350
01:03:19.079 --> 01:03:22.860
opportunities, I do wonder if this is going to be a bit of a

1351
01:03:22.860 --> 01:03:25.500
launching pad for a couple of this cast.

1352
01:03:25.559 --> 01:03:29.400
Yeah, it's hard to tell because, you know, this is very important

1353
01:03:29.400 --> 01:03:32.039
to us, but how important is this?

1354
01:03:32.039 --> 01:03:33.780
This is good telling.

1355
01:03:33.840 --> 01:03:34.440
Star Trek.

1356
01:03:34.500 --> 01:03:35.820
It is a just good Star Trek.

1357
01:03:35.880 --> 01:03:36.780
This is good telly.

1358
01:03:36.840 --> 01:03:39.300
No, no, no, I know, but how much is it landing?

1359
01:03:39.360 --> 01:03:42.480
You know, it's on Paramount Plus, like, I don't know.

1360
01:03:42.539 --> 01:03:48.960
As far as I can tell, just with my small space on the internet

1361
01:03:48.960 --> 01:03:53.400
like this is the Star Trek, that non-Star Trek fans are watching.

1362
01:03:53.460 --> 01:03:54.360
Yeah.

1363
01:03:54.420 --> 01:03:56.400
I hope anyway, I do know.

1364
01:03:56.460 --> 01:03:57.480
I do too.

1365
01:03:57.539 --> 01:04:00.480
I mean, I think this is the best one that they've come up with and

1366
01:04:00.480 --> 01:04:04.019
possibly the best one just of all.

1367
01:04:04.019 --> 01:04:05.039
Oh, offence, those other shows.

1368
01:04:05.099 --> 01:04:05.880
I can't imagine people.

1369
01:04:05.880 --> 01:04:08.639
You know, sort of dipping their toes in Discovery and Picard and

1370
01:04:08.639 --> 01:04:12.179
running a mile, but I can certainly imagine people just sticking

1371
01:04:12.179 --> 01:04:14.519
on the 1st episode of this and going, oh, that was fun.

1372
01:04:14.579 --> 01:04:15.719
Yeah, I'm gonna watch that.

1373
01:04:15.900 --> 01:04:17.519
It has that.

1374
01:04:17.519 --> 01:04:19.920
Yeah, it's better than TNG.

1375
01:04:19.980 --> 01:04:22.800
But it does have that. can just watch an episode.

1376
01:04:22.860 --> 01:04:25.260
And if I don't watch it next week, that ain't a problem because I

1377
01:04:25.260 --> 01:04:25.679
can keep up.

1378
01:04:26.340 --> 01:04:29.099
Yeah, but everyone does.

1379
01:04:29.159 --> 01:04:31.920
I mean, because it's on streaming, you know, like there's no

1380
01:04:31.920 --> 01:04:36.119
reason you wouldn't miss an episode, uh, you can just watch, but

1381
01:04:36.119 --> 01:04:37.559
you can dip in and watch one.

1382
01:04:37.619 --> 01:04:41.280
I could just imagine, you know, I keep talking about those awfully

1383
01:04:41.280 --> 01:04:44.340
cynical Star Trek fans, you know, the ones that remember it being

1384
01:04:44.340 --> 01:04:49.679
you know, serious drama back in the 90s with the great flaming

1385
01:04:49.679 --> 01:04:53.219
books and, you know, salamander people and things like that.

1386
01:04:53.280 --> 01:04:55.980
And the Anticans and the Soleil.

1387
01:04:56.039 --> 01:04:58.440
Looking at this going, 0 my god, that's it.

1388
01:04:58.500 --> 01:05:01.860
The climax of this musical episode is they've all got a feel for

1389
01:05:01.860 --> 01:05:06.599
each other, you know, in order to break the subspace field or

1390
01:05:06.599 --> 01:05:09.179
whatever it is and going, what happens?

1391
01:05:09.360 --> 01:05:11.880
I think that's brilliant though.

1392
01:05:11.940 --> 01:05:15.780
I think that's absolutely brilliant where we have 3 possible space

1393
01:05:15.780 --> 01:05:16.559
solutions.

1394
01:05:16.619 --> 01:05:19.079
They all fail. the solution is we have to have a big musical

1395
01:05:19.079 --> 01:05:19.559
finale.

1396
01:05:19.559 --> 01:05:22.559
I think it's superb in execution.

1397
01:05:22.619 --> 01:05:24.420
I think it's very flawed.

1398
01:05:24.480 --> 01:05:25.440
It doesn't quite work.

1399
01:05:25.500 --> 01:05:27.239
I was really, I was just down.

1400
01:05:27.300 --> 01:05:28.139
I was like, my God.

1401
01:05:28.199 --> 01:05:29.880
This is gonna be the medley.

1402
01:05:30.000 --> 01:05:35.579
Like a good musical usually takes themes from all the songs.

1403
01:05:35.639 --> 01:05:39.599
Like Les Miserables, and then throws them all together in an

1404
01:05:39.599 --> 01:05:42.960
amazing crescendo, and they didn't do that here for some reason.

1405
01:05:43.800 --> 01:05:48.900
No, this does start with her just, you know, like picking up on

1406
01:05:48.900 --> 01:05:51.239
the music from keep us connected.

1407
01:05:51.480 --> 01:05:58.139
Um, But I think part of the problem here is, like it's the purpose

1408
01:05:58.139 --> 01:06:01.800
and the mission and all of that is what we're talking about, you

1409
01:06:01.800 --> 01:06:04.320
know, like, I don't care about those things. care about the

1410
01:06:04.320 --> 01:06:04.500
people.

1411
01:06:04.559 --> 01:06:06.059
That's right.

1412
01:06:06.119 --> 01:06:06.659
That's right.

1413
01:06:06.719 --> 01:06:09.780
And so it should have been much more about...

1414
01:06:09.780 --> 01:06:13.019
Well, it seems to suggest that that is more important to these

1415
01:06:13.019 --> 01:06:15.179
people than their connections to each other.

1416
01:06:15.239 --> 01:06:16.440
Yeah.

1417
01:06:17.880 --> 01:06:22.139
Nathan, I love this podcast, all right, but I love you more.

1418
01:06:22.199 --> 01:06:22.440
Okay.

1419
01:06:24.000 --> 01:06:26.579
Well, I think that's it, isn't it?

1420
01:06:26.639 --> 01:06:29.159
Because they all sing about, you know, you've got that bit where

1421
01:06:29.159 --> 01:06:35.340
um, they sing about what they do, you know, you've got, um, you

1422
01:06:35.340 --> 01:06:38.639
know, spot quite enthusiastically saying I do lots of scanning and

1423
01:06:38.639 --> 01:06:40.920
that's great for the mission or whatever, and you kind of think

1424
01:06:40.920 --> 01:06:42.300
yep, that's really not a friend.

1425
01:06:42.360 --> 01:06:43.079
You ever seen us?

1426
01:06:43.079 --> 01:06:45.780
Swish your opponent tail than that woman walking down the corridor

1427
01:06:45.780 --> 01:06:45.960
there.

1428
01:06:46.079 --> 01:06:48.000
I love this.

1429
01:06:48.059 --> 01:06:49.619
There should have been more of this.

1430
01:06:49.679 --> 01:06:53.760
I know that it's expensive and difficult...

1431
01:06:53.760 --> 01:06:54.659
Yes, in the corridor.

1432
01:06:54.719 --> 01:06:54.960
Yeah.

1433
01:06:55.019 --> 01:06:56.699
You're right.

1434
01:06:56.760 --> 01:06:59.940
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that has a lot of

1435
01:06:59.940 --> 01:07:03.000
choreography. you know, think of they got the mustard out outside

1436
01:07:03.000 --> 01:07:04.260
the magic shop, you know?

1437
01:07:04.320 --> 01:07:07.380
The mustard, that camera falls up to that whole street full of

1438
01:07:07.380 --> 01:07:07.559
people.

1439
01:07:07.739 --> 01:07:10.860
I think it's about 20 people, but it fills me.

1440
01:07:11.519 --> 01:07:13.980
It's it's pretty great.

1441
01:07:14.039 --> 01:07:14.579
Yeah.

1442
01:07:14.699 --> 01:07:17.099
But yeah, there's not enough curry, I think, is part of the

1443
01:07:17.099 --> 01:07:17.400
problem.

1444
01:07:18.599 --> 01:07:23.699
When we gain control again, I confess, I'll miss the singing, I

1445
01:07:23.699 --> 01:07:24.599
won't miss the singing.

1446
01:07:24.719 --> 01:07:25.980
Now let's bring this thing down.

1447
01:07:26.039 --> 01:07:30.179
Oh, Spark says I won't miss the singing while they sing, I miss

1448
01:07:30.179 --> 01:07:30.659
the singing.

1449
01:07:30.719 --> 01:07:33.840
It's actually quite a well-done thing because Spot gets a little

1450
01:07:33.840 --> 01:07:37.139
gap in their melody so he can be heard saying won't miss this

1451
01:07:37.139 --> 01:07:37.500
thing.

1452
01:07:37.559 --> 01:07:38.280
That's the problem, though?

1453
01:07:38.340 --> 01:07:43.739
Because I think certain Star Trek fans, the mission is the thing.

1454
01:07:43.920 --> 01:07:48.239
But it's a song, it's all about feelings and our emotions and

1455
01:07:48.239 --> 01:07:51.000
stuff, like, and it's all about unity.

1456
01:07:51.059 --> 01:07:51.599
I don't know.

1457
01:07:51.599 --> 01:07:53.699
God, we're...

1458
01:07:53.699 --> 01:07:58.440
The Klingons are about to turn up and do their...

1459
01:07:58.440 --> 01:07:59.400
I like the Klingons thing.

1460
01:07:59.400 --> 01:08:00.960
Number.

1461
01:08:01.139 --> 01:08:02.820
That's great.

1462
01:08:02.880 --> 01:08:07.559
That's so much better, I think, than...

1463
01:08:07.559 --> 01:08:09.000
I didn't want to watch the episode.

1464
01:08:09.059 --> 01:08:10.199
I was like, oh no, thank you.

1465
01:08:10.260 --> 01:08:13.619
Like, I want to see cling on, it's doing a boy band.

1466
01:08:13.679 --> 01:08:15.000
Please.

1467
01:08:15.059 --> 01:08:19.979
I'm like, it's very strangely well to chill out that much.

1468
01:08:19.979 --> 01:08:21.659
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1469
01:08:21.720 --> 01:08:25.920
I think that's I think that's much less boring than Klingon opera

1470
01:08:25.920 --> 01:08:29.460
which we've seen before or, you know, hair metal band, which is

1471
01:08:29.460 --> 01:08:31.319
the obvious thing to do.

1472
01:08:31.380 --> 01:08:32.699
The Backstreet Boys.

1473
01:08:32.760 --> 01:08:36.119
It is, you know, A1 or some cut price boy bat.

1474
01:08:36.180 --> 01:08:39.840
It's a really bad, bad, bad singing.

1475
01:08:40.920 --> 01:08:43.020
Don't be made to Bruce.

1476
01:08:43.079 --> 01:08:44.520
Sorry, Bruce.

1477
01:08:45.060 --> 01:08:47.159
Come back as Hammer.

1478
01:08:47.220 --> 01:08:48.060
Oh, is forgiven.

1479
01:08:48.180 --> 01:08:50.279
We can rewrite time, you know.

1480
01:08:50.880 --> 01:08:52.800
Oh, this is nice.

1481
01:08:52.859 --> 01:08:56.220
I like my bingo and Christine dancing away through Sick Bay.

1482
01:08:56.279 --> 01:08:58.979
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1483
01:08:59.039 --> 01:09:01.619
Yeah, it's wonderful seeing that because they were having such a

1484
01:09:01.619 --> 01:09:06.899
horrific timeline. just staring off camera looking very safe there

1485
01:09:06.899 --> 01:09:08.399
in a terrifying...

1486
01:09:08.760 --> 01:09:11.159
Yeah, they're in a bit of music media.

1487
01:09:11.220 --> 01:09:14.039
It was like ABBA, but they call...

1488
01:09:14.039 --> 01:09:15.239
This is wrong somehow.

1489
01:09:16.079 --> 01:09:19.619
It was a bit like sort of Bohemian Rhapsody, wasn't it?

1490
01:09:19.680 --> 01:09:20.699
That sort of thing, you know.

1491
01:09:20.760 --> 01:09:23.279
Oh, boy, here we go.

1492
01:09:23.340 --> 01:09:27.300
Why are you calling us when you got your dramas?

1493
01:09:27.359 --> 01:09:31.260
One of these days will repay you, slay you.

1494
01:09:31.319 --> 01:09:31.979
Oh boy.

1495
01:09:35.100 --> 01:09:39.000
The gold thing that they're all wearing as well is what Klingons

1496
01:09:39.000 --> 01:09:39.539
wear now.

1497
01:09:39.600 --> 01:09:40.680
Yeah, apparently.

1498
01:09:40.739 --> 01:09:43.619
I mean, they do often look like boy bands these days, so fair

1499
01:09:43.619 --> 01:09:43.920
enough.

1500
01:09:43.979 --> 01:09:45.899
Oh, look at Pike's reaction.

1501
01:09:45.960 --> 01:09:46.739
Oh my god.

1502
01:09:48.359 --> 01:09:52.020
He just goes, okay, let's hang up now.

1503
01:09:52.140 --> 01:09:53.880
Have we had enough music?

1504
01:09:53.880 --> 01:09:55.199
I just won't mention that.

1505
01:09:56.640 --> 01:09:58.979
Oh boy, 0 boy.

1506
01:10:02.039 --> 01:10:05.220
Oh, look, all the spaceships are dancing around each other.

1507
01:10:05.279 --> 01:10:06.539
I know, it's wonderful.

1508
01:10:06.600 --> 01:10:07.800
It's just terrific.

1509
01:10:07.920 --> 01:10:08.460
So good.

1510
01:10:08.520 --> 01:10:10.140
Is that called a quadrille?

1511
01:10:10.979 --> 01:10:12.600
Baby.

1512
01:10:13.500 --> 01:10:18.899
Oh, no, look, they're all holding each other's hands and...

1513
01:10:18.899 --> 01:10:19.560
No, this is.

1514
01:10:19.619 --> 01:10:22.199
We're all in this together.

1515
01:10:22.260 --> 01:10:24.060
It's high school musical.

1516
01:10:24.119 --> 01:10:25.739
Yeah, yeah.

1517
01:10:25.800 --> 01:10:27.479
Mitchell's going through as well.

1518
01:10:27.539 --> 01:10:28.319
Oh, bless you.

1519
01:10:28.739 --> 01:10:29.100
Oh, sorry.

1520
01:10:29.159 --> 01:10:30.600
This choreography is terrible.

1521
01:10:30.960 --> 01:10:32.819
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1522
01:10:33.539 --> 01:10:36.600
And then they jump and the whole thing explodes.

1523
01:10:36.659 --> 01:10:39.840
That's so great. the end of an operesa now.

1524
01:10:41.100 --> 01:10:46.260
So this is what I think is really great, is now we have to

1525
01:10:46.260 --> 01:10:49.199
reestablish that we're back in Star Trek, and the way we do that

1526
01:10:49.199 --> 01:10:52.739
is with the original, the TOS music, right?

1527
01:10:52.800 --> 01:10:54.060
That's coming in right now.

1528
01:10:54.180 --> 01:10:58.319
And what it tells you, what it reminds you, I think, is how much

1529
01:10:58.319 --> 01:11:01.680
of Star Trek's atmosphere and character and stuff is established

1530
01:11:01.680 --> 01:11:02.640
through music.

1531
01:11:02.699 --> 01:11:06.420
Like it reminds you that, you know, that's music that says Star

1532
01:11:06.420 --> 01:11:07.619
Trek is back at its story.

1533
01:11:07.739 --> 01:11:08.159
Excuse me.

1534
01:11:08.159 --> 01:11:10.439
And how do we convey that information through this?

1535
01:11:10.500 --> 01:11:12.300
Is this you making another dick at night is Trek?

1536
01:11:12.359 --> 01:11:12.899
All right.

1537
01:11:12.960 --> 01:11:16.020
My favourite parent is terrible bullpaper music.

1538
01:11:16.619 --> 01:11:19.800
Until the 50s songs started coming in.

1539
01:11:19.979 --> 01:11:21.600
That's right.

1540
01:11:21.659 --> 01:11:25.500
See, I like this scene too, between these two.

1541
01:11:25.560 --> 01:11:26.939
And it does go somewhere.

1542
01:11:27.000 --> 01:11:30.000
We do actually develop Lan's character.

1543
01:11:30.119 --> 01:11:31.560
Yeah.

1544
01:11:31.619 --> 01:11:38.220
And I just, I, I, I love the focussing Kurtzman Trek on uh, female

1545
01:11:38.220 --> 01:11:41.399
female friendships and relationships, which just didn't get enough

1546
01:11:41.399 --> 01:11:42.060
of that before.

1547
01:11:42.119 --> 01:11:44.100
It's so refreshing.

1548
01:11:44.159 --> 01:11:47.220
Well, we've said before, this is the 1st Star Trek to have more

1549
01:11:47.220 --> 01:11:52.079
women in the opening titles than men. more female characters.

1550
01:11:52.140 --> 01:11:54.119
Wonderful characters.

1551
01:11:54.180 --> 01:11:55.500
Yeah, yeah.

1552
01:11:55.560 --> 01:11:57.239
Look, look who's doing the cooking.

1553
01:11:57.300 --> 01:11:58.380
Captain Pike.

1554
01:11:58.920 --> 01:12:01.079
Yeah, yeah.

1555
01:12:01.140 --> 01:12:02.279
Wow.

1556
01:12:02.340 --> 01:12:07.920
So, this holiday is not going to happen because Marie is about to

1557
01:12:07.920 --> 01:12:11.340
say, I'm glad that Julia Childs is still important in the 23rd

1558
01:12:11.340 --> 01:12:11.880
century.

1559
01:12:13.739 --> 01:12:15.479
Did you hear that?

1560
01:12:15.539 --> 01:12:16.140
Marie.

1561
01:12:16.140 --> 01:12:19.020
We missed out on a song about him singing about Booth

1562
01:12:19.020 --> 01:12:19.979
Bourguignon.

1563
01:12:20.039 --> 01:12:20.880
Thank God for that.

1564
01:12:20.939 --> 01:12:22.800
No, no, no, that wasn't it?

1565
01:12:22.859 --> 01:12:26.460
He's doing the beef book in your to make up for the fact that he

1566
01:12:26.460 --> 01:12:30.960
said, whenever I feel like I disagree with you, I just shut up and

1567
01:12:30.960 --> 01:12:32.399
make up lies and stuff.

1568
01:12:33.119 --> 01:12:39.899
I quite like how low key this thing is. because it's just about

1569
01:12:39.899 --> 01:12:43.199
you know, we disagree on where we want to go for holidays and

1570
01:12:43.199 --> 01:12:46.380
Chris can't say that he doesn't like it.

1571
01:12:46.439 --> 01:12:48.840
So he's just been trying to put it off.

1572
01:12:48.899 --> 01:12:52.560
We're not going to have the trip because she just says there.

1573
01:12:52.619 --> 01:12:56.640
I just got put on a priority one mission, and next week, that will

1574
01:12:56.640 --> 01:12:58.739
be the mission that's interrupted by the Gorn.

1575
01:12:58.800 --> 01:13:01.619
Do you know what vibes I'm getting from this relationship?

1576
01:13:01.680 --> 01:13:05.100
It's Cisco and Cassidy, a strong woman who's saying, yeah, you

1577
01:13:05.100 --> 01:13:06.000
know what, right?

1578
01:13:06.060 --> 01:13:07.500
I'm not fitting in around you.

1579
01:13:07.560 --> 01:13:08.880
You make time for me.

1580
01:13:09.420 --> 01:13:13.079
Something is going to happen in the next couple of episodes that

1581
01:13:13.079 --> 01:13:18.359
really knock the, um, like make the, this a much more urgent and

1582
01:13:18.359 --> 01:13:20.579
important relationship and I really like it.

1583
01:13:20.699 --> 01:13:22.800
Okay, I really need to watch the season, don't I?

1584
01:13:22.979 --> 01:13:27.420
Yeah, but no, I mean, you know, in the finale and in the 1st 3

1585
01:13:27.420 --> 01:13:29.340
episodes of the following...

1586
01:13:29.340 --> 01:13:31.439
As for the Klingons, the following season.

1587
01:13:31.500 --> 01:13:32.699
It didn't end that line there.

1588
01:13:32.760 --> 01:13:36.060
As for the Klingons, they've released their track and have gone

1589
01:13:36.060 --> 01:13:38.880
down a different route from trying to take over the universe.

1590
01:13:39.420 --> 01:13:42.720
No, they got Spock drunk and now he's come to work.

1591
01:13:42.779 --> 01:13:44.760
Oh bless him.

1592
01:13:45.960 --> 01:13:48.359
Oh, dear, 0 dear.

1593
01:13:48.420 --> 01:13:51.539
Now, it's a shame, though, because obviously the original Star

1594
01:13:51.539 --> 01:13:55.680
Trek theme is probably the most popular, certainly the way to

1595
01:13:55.680 --> 01:13:56.039
celebrate.

1596
01:13:56.100 --> 01:13:58.260
Star Trek film. the only one I don't really like.

1597
01:13:58.319 --> 01:13:59.699
It's the one I'll skip every time.

1598
01:14:00.180 --> 01:14:01.560
Yeah.

1599
01:14:01.619 --> 01:14:07.739
So she, when she was singing before, she gives Pelio the idea to

1600
01:14:07.739 --> 01:14:11.939
send the music through the subspace fold, and now she's singing

1601
01:14:11.939 --> 01:14:12.479
again.

1602
01:14:12.539 --> 01:14:13.800
Both times.

1603
01:14:13.859 --> 01:14:16.319
She's singing, Keep us Connected.

1604
01:14:16.680 --> 01:14:20.159
Including before the musical thing even happens.

1605
01:14:20.220 --> 01:14:21.420
She's humming it.

1606
01:14:21.479 --> 01:14:23.819
That was really fun.

1607
01:14:23.880 --> 01:14:25.079
Let's talk about.

1608
01:14:25.140 --> 01:14:27.779
But, you know, it was fun to talk about the stuff that didn't work

1609
01:14:27.779 --> 01:14:29.100
as the stuff that did.

1610
01:14:29.159 --> 01:14:30.779
Yeah, I think it's a great episode.

1611
01:14:30.899 --> 01:14:32.100
I really enjoyed it.

1612
01:14:32.159 --> 01:14:35.640
I'm so, I'm not at all sorry they didn't, not everything worked

1613
01:14:35.640 --> 01:14:36.840
but who cares?

1614
01:14:36.960 --> 01:14:41.340
I mean, I think I think it shows that in order to get this sort of

1615
01:14:41.340 --> 01:14:47.039
spot on, you need more time than perhaps they had to put this on

1616
01:14:47.039 --> 01:14:47.520
the screen.

1617
01:14:47.579 --> 01:14:54.060
But as a piece of Star Trek with a fun premise, and those are the

1618
01:14:54.060 --> 01:14:55.739
one sort of TNG that we love, right?

1619
01:14:55.800 --> 01:14:57.060
these crazy premises.

1620
01:14:57.119 --> 01:14:57.659
Yeah, yeah.

1621
01:14:57.659 --> 01:15:03.300
As a character piece about Leon and Christine and stuff like that

1622
01:15:03.300 --> 01:15:05.579
there's important stuff happening with all of those characters.

1623
01:15:05.699 --> 01:15:08.220
As a stylish bit of work.

1624
01:15:08.279 --> 01:15:11.100
I mean, it beams off the screen, the episode.

1625
01:15:11.159 --> 01:15:15.960
So I think in all measurable ways you can gauge your success.

1626
01:15:16.020 --> 01:15:19.739
It's a really good hour of television.

1627
01:15:19.739 --> 01:15:20.699
Yeah.

1628
01:15:20.760 --> 01:15:23.880
Just a little more effort with the lyrics next time, please.

1629
01:15:23.939 --> 01:15:25.199
I think so.

1630
01:15:25.260 --> 01:15:28.500
I mean, I just, I love this show.

1631
01:15:28.560 --> 01:15:31.560
I love discovery when it came back because it was doing things

1632
01:15:31.560 --> 01:15:35.579
that I had never seen Star Trek do and I got to see what Star Trek

1633
01:15:35.579 --> 01:15:38.100
looked like in a whole new century with a whole new production

1634
01:15:38.100 --> 01:15:39.840
team and a whole new sensibility.

1635
01:15:39.899 --> 01:15:45.239
And I think Discovery is great in all sorts of ways, but this

1636
01:15:45.239 --> 01:15:50.579
because it is developed in the context of us already having Star

1637
01:15:50.579 --> 01:15:53.699
Trek on television and knowing what that's like, because it

1638
01:15:53.699 --> 01:15:56.880
doesn't have the production problems that Discovery had, and

1639
01:15:56.880 --> 01:16:02.100
because it just decided that it could afford to do just a Star

1640
01:16:02.100 --> 01:16:06.359
Trek show, in a way that Discovery isn't, and Picard isn't in Deep

1641
01:16:06.359 --> 01:16:07.439
Space 9, is it?

1642
01:16:07.500 --> 01:16:11.699
It could just afford to do a Star Trek show and do it incredibly

1643
01:16:11.699 --> 01:16:12.180
well.

1644
01:16:13.319 --> 01:16:15.060
And it just has nailed it.

1645
01:16:15.180 --> 01:16:19.500
And the, and the serialisation thing really makes a difference

1646
01:16:19.500 --> 01:16:23.340
because I don't think you can do that sort of syndication thing

1647
01:16:23.340 --> 01:16:28.260
that you did back in the 60s and the 90s where these things just

1648
01:16:28.260 --> 01:16:32.039
happened to people and had no effect on them and were never

1649
01:16:32.039 --> 01:16:33.060
mentioned again.

1650
01:16:33.119 --> 01:16:39.000
And so you have characters who things happen to and who have

1651
01:16:39.000 --> 01:16:44.460
relationships with one another that matter while having a single

1652
01:16:44.460 --> 01:16:48.180
focussed episode about a space thing that's happening as well at

1653
01:16:48.180 --> 01:16:48.659
the same time.

1654
01:16:48.779 --> 01:16:50.279
I think it's perfect.

1655
01:16:50.340 --> 01:16:55.079
You know, like, and I really am not exaggerating when I think it's

1656
01:16:55.079 --> 01:16:59.579
probably the best series that the franchise has ever produced.

1657
01:17:00.600 --> 01:17:04.020
Kind of agree.

1658
01:17:04.079 --> 01:17:09.840
Um, I, it's not ambitious enough in its storytelling for it to be

1659
01:17:09.840 --> 01:17:13.619
my favourite because I think I prefer, and I, sometimes I actually

1660
01:17:13.619 --> 01:17:16.079
like a show that's more flawed than this as well.

1661
01:17:16.140 --> 01:17:17.220
That's a weird thing to say.

1662
01:17:17.279 --> 01:17:21.060
But it's, well, I mean, discovery is slightly less interesting to

1663
01:17:21.060 --> 01:17:23.279
talk about when you're just going, well, this is great.

1664
01:17:23.340 --> 01:17:23.880
This works.

1665
01:17:23.939 --> 01:17:24.659
How wonderful.

1666
01:17:24.720 --> 01:17:25.920
This acting's wonderful.

1667
01:17:26.039 --> 01:17:28.079
What competent writing this is.

1668
01:17:28.619 --> 01:17:33.300
I certainly think it's the most confident Star Trek we've ever had

1669
01:17:33.300 --> 01:17:37.140
and I think it's probably the most likeable Star Trek we've ever

1670
01:17:37.140 --> 01:17:37.439
had.

1671
01:17:37.500 --> 01:17:40.619
So that's why I like coming back to this because I think it's

1672
01:17:40.619 --> 01:17:43.020
effortless to watch and that's just a joy.

1673
01:17:43.079 --> 01:17:45.600
Like Discovery, Picard.

1674
01:17:45.720 --> 01:17:49.140
I think they're deeply flawed in many, many ways, but really

1675
01:17:49.140 --> 01:17:51.659
interesting because of it.

1676
01:17:51.720 --> 01:17:55.739
Obviously, DS9 will always be my 1st love because I think of that

1677
01:17:55.739 --> 01:18:01.199
period, that's by a country mile the most ambitious Star Trek. had

1678
01:18:01.199 --> 01:18:01.680
at that point.

1679
01:18:01.739 --> 01:18:05.819
And I just love those characters.

1680
01:18:05.880 --> 01:18:12.539
But I would say in terms of a cast of characters, this is as close

1681
01:18:12.539 --> 01:18:13.439
as I've got.

1682
01:18:13.500 --> 01:18:16.979
Oh, maybe lower decks, maybe the 2 of them.

1683
01:18:17.039 --> 01:18:21.119
It's as close as I've got to sort of loving everybody in different

1684
01:18:21.119 --> 01:18:23.399
ways the same way I did with the assign.

1685
01:18:23.460 --> 01:18:26.159
I think the thing that DS9 has that these dome is just more time

1686
01:18:26.159 --> 01:18:29.819
spent that you can spend with those characters and that's kind of

1687
01:18:29.819 --> 01:18:34.800
a luxury, you know, and and it means that you can sort of binge

1688
01:18:34.800 --> 01:18:36.239
that in a way you can't these.

1689
01:18:36.300 --> 01:18:39.420
You know, you'll do the run of strange new wells eventually in

1690
01:18:39.420 --> 01:18:42.840
what is it, 46 hours, which is...

1691
01:18:42.899 --> 01:18:47.340
But it's not a massively long run, but fuck me, it is confident

1692
01:18:47.340 --> 01:18:47.760
this show.

1693
01:18:47.819 --> 01:18:50.939
You need to be confident to pull off something like this.

1694
01:18:51.000 --> 01:18:53.460
You need nuts, you know?

1695
01:18:53.520 --> 01:18:54.779
And they've got it.

1696
01:18:54.840 --> 01:18:55.979
They've absolutely got it.

1697
01:18:56.039 --> 01:18:56.279
Yeah.

1698
01:18:56.399 --> 01:18:58.020
Bravo, strangely well.

1699
01:19:05.520 --> 01:19:09.600
All right, it's the end of the episode, and it's time for us to

1700
01:19:09.600 --> 01:19:11.159
find out where we're going next.

1701
01:19:11.220 --> 01:19:17.159
This was another excellent choice from you, Joe, which can only be

1702
01:19:17.159 --> 01:19:21.659
counteracted by a shockingly bad choice from me.

1703
01:19:21.720 --> 01:19:25.680
And so it's been a while since we've done one of these, but we are

1704
01:19:25.680 --> 01:19:31.979
about to go back aboard the NXO one for an episode of Star Trek.

1705
01:19:32.039 --> 01:19:34.500
I had done a musical episode.

1706
01:19:34.560 --> 01:19:37.920
We could have had a whole song called Archers a Cunt or something

1707
01:19:37.920 --> 01:19:39.000
like that, couldn't we?

1708
01:19:39.720 --> 01:19:41.699
Archer's a cow.

1709
01:19:41.760 --> 01:19:42.659
I prefer asshole.

1710
01:19:42.720 --> 01:19:44.100
Archers a cunt.

1711
01:19:45.060 --> 01:19:49.979
Well, that was the theme of the excellent episode, A Night in Sick

1712
01:19:49.979 --> 01:19:50.340
Bay.

1713
01:19:50.399 --> 01:19:52.380
All right.

1714
01:19:52.439 --> 01:19:53.699
I am going to press the button.

1715
01:19:55.439 --> 01:20:02.039
So it's Star Trek Enterprise, season four, episode 13 United.

1716
01:20:02.159 --> 01:20:04.319
What does Germa have to say?

1717
01:20:04.380 --> 01:20:06.659
Jama gives it 3 stars?

1718
01:20:06.720 --> 01:20:10.020
And it says, a T-OS, it's a bit better than Bam. channelled

1719
01:20:10.020 --> 01:20:12.539
reasonably through modern trek sensibilities.

1720
01:20:12.600 --> 01:20:14.579
It was very ambiguous.

1721
01:20:14.640 --> 01:20:18.000
Uh, is it a 2 parter or something?

1722
01:20:18.479 --> 01:20:23.159
Story by Manikoto, directed by David Liverston, our favourite.

1723
01:20:23.880 --> 01:20:27.060
It's about the Romulans.

1724
01:20:27.119 --> 01:20:31.079
It doesn't actually say, hang on, let me see what's around it.

1725
01:20:31.140 --> 01:20:33.239
Babel one, the Anar.

1726
01:20:33.479 --> 01:20:35.819
It might be a standalone.

1727
01:20:35.880 --> 01:20:39.300
Archer attempts to form an alliance in order to neutralise a

1728
01:20:39.300 --> 01:20:42.479
threat from a common enemy, but instead finds himself in the

1729
01:20:42.479 --> 01:20:44.880
middle of a fight to the deaf with Shran.

1730
01:20:44.939 --> 01:20:46.260
Oh my god, Jeffrey Coombs.

1731
01:20:46.319 --> 01:20:49.199
Oh, that could be, that could be.

1732
01:20:49.260 --> 01:20:50.039
Would you like four?

1733
01:20:50.100 --> 01:20:50.939
season four.

1734
01:20:51.000 --> 01:20:52.020
Yeah.

1735
01:20:52.079 --> 01:20:55.319
Yeah. like, well, I'm tempted.

1736
01:20:55.380 --> 01:20:56.939
I mean, you know, like I don't know.

1737
01:20:57.000 --> 01:21:02.039
We've still got about 95% of the abysmal series one and 2 to do

1738
01:21:02.039 --> 01:21:03.000
but I'm prepared to wait.

1739
01:21:04.560 --> 01:21:08.279
Maybe we could try and do one of those when we're together later

1740
01:21:08.279 --> 01:21:09.239
in the year, you know?

1741
01:21:09.720 --> 01:21:14.220
The fact that we're together might sort of make it a more

1742
01:21:14.220 --> 01:21:15.119
palatable experience.

1743
01:21:15.659 --> 01:21:19.020
Well, okay, I think that sounds like a possibility.

1744
01:21:19.079 --> 01:21:20.159
All right, what do you reckon?

1745
01:21:20.279 --> 01:21:20.880
I think we just do it.

1746
01:21:20.939 --> 01:21:21.479
United.

1747
01:21:21.479 --> 01:21:25.380
I mean, it does continue enterprise is unerring ability to have

1748
01:21:25.380 --> 01:21:28.439
extremely boring episode titles.

1749
01:21:28.500 --> 01:21:32.939
Well, I'm assuming that it's United, as in United Federation of

1750
01:21:32.939 --> 01:21:38.340
Planets, is my guess, that, you know, that it's it's kind of

1751
01:21:38.340 --> 01:21:40.319
foreshadowing that, possibly.

1752
01:21:40.380 --> 01:21:43.979
Well, I mean, it's for.

1753
01:21:44.039 --> 01:21:48.539
Uh, it's towards the end of the show, uh, in a mirror darkly was

1754
01:21:48.539 --> 01:21:49.260
around this time.

1755
01:21:49.319 --> 01:21:52.260
So we know they can deliver good work at this point.

1756
01:21:52.319 --> 01:21:56.460
Manikoto is creatively involved in this episode.

1757
01:21:56.520 --> 01:21:57.659
Let's do it.

1758
01:21:57.720 --> 01:21:58.979
Yeah, I reckon.

1759
01:21:59.039 --> 01:22:52.859
We'll do it Oh, good.

1760
01:22:52.920 --> 01:22:54.060
Now I can talk about this song.

1761
01:22:54.119 --> 01:22:56.399
So, yeah, yeah.

1762
01:22:56.460 --> 01:23:02.220
Did you notice that the general shape of the song and the lyrics?

1763
01:23:02.699 --> 01:23:05.159
It's based on status report.

1764
01:23:05.220 --> 01:23:08.699
Absolutely is, yes, because I decided I was going to write and

1765
01:23:08.699 --> 01:23:16.560
sing. my own version of status report with the help of Sihar and

1766
01:23:16.560 --> 01:23:21.239
Fraser Gregory who sent me in various lyrics that I was going to

1767
01:23:21.239 --> 01:23:22.140
sort of pipe in.

1768
01:23:22.199 --> 01:23:25.619
And you know, I won't be too cruel about the people that put

1769
01:23:25.619 --> 01:23:29.100
subspace Rhapsody together because this is a lot fucking harder

1770
01:23:29.100 --> 01:23:29.819
than it looks.

1771
01:23:33.000 --> 01:23:35.579
Yeah, I know, you were fearing.

1772
01:23:35.640 --> 01:23:37.319
This is exactly what was coming, weren't you?

1773
01:23:37.920 --> 01:23:45.840
Well, I have to say that I found a karaoke version of Faith of the

1774
01:23:45.840 --> 01:23:52.619
Heart, and I have several attempts of me, uh, recording myself

1775
01:23:52.619 --> 01:23:56.699
singing it, attempting, because I was going to use it for the

1776
01:23:56.699 --> 01:23:59.159
closing credits and stuff from an early enterprise thing.

1777
01:23:59.220 --> 01:24:00.420
And it's really hard.

1778
01:24:00.479 --> 01:24:04.260
Like it's really hard and you're kind of super exposed and stuff.

1779
01:24:04.319 --> 01:24:05.159
It's different.

1780
01:24:05.220 --> 01:24:09.659
I don't think I realised just how bad my singing was until I heard

1781
01:24:09.659 --> 01:24:12.659
it back after I sang this song.

1782
01:24:12.720 --> 01:24:15.239
You know, and obviously the lyrics are a bit awkward because

1783
01:24:15.239 --> 01:24:16.140
they're written by me.

1784
01:24:16.500 --> 01:24:19.859
So lyrically, it was a bit challenged already.

1785
01:24:20.460 --> 01:24:26.939
And then I piped in Sian Fraser and the music and a more horrific

1786
01:24:26.939 --> 01:24:27.960
dirge.

1787
01:24:28.020 --> 01:24:29.039
I have never heard.

1788
01:24:29.100 --> 01:24:35.340
Like, you know, if they'd written a song about Kez and Neelix is

1789
01:24:35.340 --> 01:24:40.380
you know, jealous love affair or Tom and Balan, you know, love

1790
01:24:40.380 --> 01:24:40.680
song.

1791
01:24:40.739 --> 01:24:45.119
It couldn't possibly be any worse, which is why the song landed

1792
01:24:45.119 --> 01:24:52.260
where it did with the help of an app that can make singing mildly

1793
01:24:52.260 --> 01:24:52.800
palatable.

1794
01:24:52.859 --> 01:24:54.840
Yeah, it's just awful.

1795
01:24:54.899 --> 01:24:55.979
It will never be released.

1796
01:24:56.460 --> 01:24:58.800
It certainly wouldn't chart.

1797
01:24:58.859 --> 01:24:59.760
That's for sure.

1798
01:25:00.239 --> 01:25:01.979
It was really great.

1799
01:25:02.039 --> 01:25:03.119
I did think it was really good.

1800
01:25:03.239 --> 01:25:05.939
Although, you know, some of it I was quite proud of.

1801
01:25:06.000 --> 01:25:10.140
The trivia is memory alphorizing, I thought, was quite a nice

1802
01:25:10.140 --> 01:25:10.680
line.

1803
01:25:11.100 --> 01:25:14.520
I like the reference to stock KFC number one.

1804
01:25:14.520 --> 01:25:15.659
That was my favourite.

1805
01:25:15.720 --> 01:25:19.619
Unfortunately, being made of Jabalai. in stick instead of stock

1806
01:25:19.680 --> 01:25:20.159
you notice?

1807
01:25:20.220 --> 01:25:22.260
So he actually says stick case there.

1808
01:25:22.260 --> 01:25:25.800
I thought, well, that's very me as well, that even when with help

1809
01:25:25.800 --> 01:25:28.619
of an app, there's still a massive flaw in there somewhere.

1810
01:25:29.460 --> 01:25:32.340
But, you know, it turned out all right, I think.

1811
01:25:32.399 --> 01:25:33.479
In the end.

1812
01:25:33.539 --> 01:25:34.619
Yeah, I thought it was great.

1813
01:25:34.680 --> 01:25:36.300
Yeah, no, I thought it was...

1814
01:25:36.420 --> 01:25:40.619
Thank you for this technology that can do what creative people

1815
01:25:40.619 --> 01:25:41.880
clearly cannot.

1816
01:25:42.479 --> 01:25:45.420
Well, some creative people can.

1817
01:25:46.439 --> 01:25:52.140
But suddenly I learned to appreciate the skill and the effort that

1818
01:25:52.140 --> 01:25:56.760
went into subspace Rhapsody, even though I have just been, you

1819
01:25:56.760 --> 01:25:58.500
know, an hour ripping into the lyrics.

1820
01:25:58.680 --> 01:26:00.659
Well, yeah, yeah.

1821
01:26:00.720 --> 01:26:02.880
I mean, I think, you know, like I think it was pretty great.

1822
01:26:03.000 --> 01:26:07.560
And I was kind of surprised by people at work, again, being really

1823
01:26:07.560 --> 01:26:12.840
enthusiastic about it when I was a bit lukewarm initially and like

1824
01:26:12.840 --> 01:26:17.399
because I've watched it maybe 5 times in the last 3 weeks or 6

1825
01:26:17.399 --> 01:26:20.279
times and I listened to the album a fair bit.

1826
01:26:20.399 --> 01:26:21.659
You've been indoctrinated now.

1827
01:26:21.720 --> 01:26:24.239
I think I've been indoctrinated.

1828
01:26:24.239 --> 01:26:28.319
And just, I just think Celia Song is so magnificent.

1829
01:26:28.380 --> 01:26:29.279
Celia.

1830
01:26:29.279 --> 01:26:30.239
But like the incredible thing.

1831
01:26:30.359 --> 01:26:32.340
What's the actress who plays that song as well?

1832
01:26:32.399 --> 01:26:33.899
Yeah, amazing.

1833
01:26:33.960 --> 01:26:34.560
Yeah, yeah.

1834
01:26:34.619 --> 01:26:36.659
Like, but what happens is, right?

1835
01:26:36.720 --> 01:26:40.079
After this, we go to hedgemony.

1836
01:26:40.140 --> 01:26:45.960
So we get the Gorn attacking a planet and like it's a huge giant 2

1837
01:26:45.960 --> 01:26:46.680
parter.

1838
01:26:46.739 --> 01:26:51.119
It's Strange New Worlds is best of both worlds. like almost

1839
01:26:51.119 --> 01:26:51.779
literally.

1840
01:26:51.840 --> 01:26:56.340
And it's incredibly good and just incredibly well made.

1841
01:26:56.399 --> 01:26:59.579
The previous one had flashbacks to the Klingon war, which was

1842
01:26:59.579 --> 01:27:03.720
really bleak and terrible, and like, you know, had heaps of field

1843
01:27:03.720 --> 01:27:08.220
medicine in it, and it's possible that Mabenga murders someone in

1844
01:27:08.220 --> 01:27:08.460
it.

1845
01:27:08.520 --> 01:27:15.239
And then after that, um, like after part two, like part two, you

1846
01:27:15.239 --> 01:27:19.140
know, like series 3, episode one, we have a comedy episode with

1847
01:27:19.140 --> 01:27:23.460
Spock and and a wedding and and all of that sort of thing on

1848
01:27:23.460 --> 01:27:27.659
Starbase one and then, you know, like the week after that, it's

1849
01:27:27.659 --> 01:27:31.800
like zombies and ultraviolence and stuff.

1850
01:27:31.859 --> 01:27:37.739
Like, it does proper gritty Star Trek, of the kind that people who

1851
01:27:37.739 --> 01:27:41.640
like proper gritty Star Trek like, and it does it in a way where I

1852
01:27:41.640 --> 01:27:43.680
like it as well, which is pretty awesome.

1853
01:27:43.739 --> 01:27:47.520
It's just such a varied show, you know.

1854
01:27:47.880 --> 01:27:51.840
Yeah, I think I think they know they're onto something.

1855
01:27:51.840 --> 01:27:56.699
I don't think they know that they shouldn't do it forever before

1856
01:27:56.699 --> 01:28:00.539
it gets stale, which is why they sort of say, you know, this is

1857
01:28:00.539 --> 01:28:01.079
where we'll stop.

1858
01:28:01.979 --> 01:28:05.340
Well, you see, I think part of the thing is it's the same thing

1859
01:28:05.340 --> 01:28:06.359
that happened with Discovery.

1860
01:28:06.420 --> 01:28:10.920
We had 2 years between hegemony and hedgemony part two.

1861
01:28:10.920 --> 01:28:17.039
In fact, Celia Rose gross her hair in those 2 years, so she comes

1862
01:28:17.039 --> 01:28:24.119
back from the cliffhanger with like a big, like a slightly bigger

1863
01:28:24.119 --> 01:28:24.420
hair.

1864
01:28:24.479 --> 01:28:25.739
Oh, a ball cap on.

1865
01:28:25.800 --> 01:28:26.279
Oh, no.

1866
01:28:26.340 --> 01:28:28.260
We're not a poor cat.

1867
01:28:28.319 --> 01:28:32.159
But she's holding all of this hair down, which is all there in um

1868
01:28:32.159 --> 01:28:36.779
in episode two, but it's held down under her little, you know

1869
01:28:36.779 --> 01:28:40.500
tight, you know, the hairstyle that she has in series one and

1870
01:28:40.500 --> 01:28:40.800
two.

1871
01:28:40.859 --> 01:28:44.640
It's like it's she suddenly has a bigger head for the 2nd

1872
01:28:44.640 --> 01:28:46.439
episode.

1873
01:28:46.500 --> 01:28:48.479
Yeah, you are gonna lose them eventually.

1874
01:28:48.539 --> 01:28:51.300
But it's well, that's what happens with discovery.

1875
01:28:51.359 --> 01:28:52.020
Do you know what I mean?

1876
01:28:52.079 --> 01:28:55.020
Like discovery runs for longer than any other Star Trek in

1877
01:28:55.020 --> 01:28:57.720
production and by the end of it, they can't get everyone back.

1878
01:28:57.779 --> 01:29:00.119
And so here, I think they've decided.

1879
01:29:00.180 --> 01:29:03.119
I think that what happens is they got an order of 26 episodes and

1880
01:29:03.119 --> 01:29:06.060
they said, all right, well, that's our, that's our year 34 and

1881
01:29:06.060 --> 01:29:06.300
five.

1882
01:29:06.359 --> 01:29:07.859
I think maybe.

1883
01:29:07.859 --> 01:29:10.859
I know there's things in 5 that you like.

1884
01:29:10.920 --> 01:29:13.020
Maybe Discovery should have gone out before.

1885
01:29:13.079 --> 01:29:17.640
Like, you know, on an absolute high with everyone involved.

1886
01:29:17.699 --> 01:29:18.960
Yeah.

1887
01:29:19.020 --> 01:29:23.640
Discovery, in a way, was amenable to that a little bit because the

1888
01:29:23.640 --> 01:29:28.680
cast changed over the time, like part not just when we went into

1889
01:29:28.680 --> 01:29:31.619
the future, but, you know, people would come and go and stuff, and

1890
01:29:31.619 --> 01:29:32.939
that was a thing that happened.

1891
01:29:32.939 --> 01:29:35.399
Sure, yeah.

1892
01:29:35.460 --> 01:29:36.539
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1893
01:29:36.600 --> 01:29:37.140
Yeah.

1894
01:29:37.199 --> 01:29:40.739
And, you know, like Bryce leaves and Christopher comes in and and

1895
01:29:40.739 --> 01:29:44.819
Nan goes and comes back later and stuff and you've got Tilly

1896
01:29:44.819 --> 01:29:46.079
disappearing for a bit and stuff.

1897
01:29:46.140 --> 01:29:49.560
And it did make it a little bit more like a little bit more like

1898
01:29:49.560 --> 01:29:53.220
in the world of Star Trek rather than a Star Trek show where you

1899
01:29:53.220 --> 01:29:56.159
just have these 7 people and the only people on the ship.

1900
01:29:56.220 --> 01:29:59.760
I still feel as if you had enough time with all of those people.

1901
01:29:59.819 --> 01:30:03.060
It's Picard that is the one that irritates me because I just don't

1902
01:30:03.060 --> 01:30:06.479
think it was if I had enough time with that original set of

1903
01:30:06.479 --> 01:30:06.960
regulars.

1904
01:30:07.020 --> 01:30:07.739
That crew.

1905
01:30:07.800 --> 01:30:12.000
But, but, so, but I don't think Strangely Worlds would manage

1906
01:30:12.000 --> 01:30:12.359
that.

1907
01:30:12.420 --> 01:30:13.319
Do you know what I mean?

1908
01:30:13.380 --> 01:30:16.260
Like Pelia comes, maybe she goes, but I don't think you could lose

1909
01:30:16.260 --> 01:30:18.600
any of the main characters.

1910
01:30:18.659 --> 01:30:19.800
No.

1911
01:30:19.800 --> 01:30:22.979
And it still, isn't it?

1912
01:30:23.039 --> 01:30:23.340
Yeah.

1913
01:30:23.399 --> 01:30:29.579
And that is a sign of their success that they've balanced it so

1914
01:30:29.579 --> 01:30:32.340
perfectly that if you pull one thread.

1915
01:30:32.399 --> 01:30:34.079
It might feel bad.

1916
01:30:34.140 --> 01:30:35.279
I mean, we lost Hammer.

1917
01:30:35.340 --> 01:30:39.840
You know, we lost Hema and that was a, but that was a kind of a

1918
01:30:39.840 --> 01:30:41.460
shock, a thing they decided to do.

1919
01:30:41.520 --> 01:30:46.260
Um, He was never going to be in the opening credits until they

1920
01:30:46.260 --> 01:30:49.020
decided to kill him, I think, at the end of episode nine.

1921
01:30:49.079 --> 01:30:53.760
DS9's problem was they kept fucking adding guest characters. semi

1922
01:30:52.619 --> 01:30:54.899
regulars all the time, didn't they?

1923
01:30:54.960 --> 01:30:56.340
How are we going to end this?

1924
01:30:56.399 --> 01:30:59.039
Well, I mean, 10 episodes to give everyone their moment.

1925
01:30:59.579 --> 01:31:01.979
But they are kind of doing that.

1926
01:31:02.039 --> 01:31:05.159
Like, they've introduced Pelia. introduced in series three.

1927
01:31:05.220 --> 01:31:08.039
Well, end of series three, they've introduced Scotty.

1928
01:31:08.100 --> 01:31:13.260
They've introduced a pretty new nurse, like a young guy who's a

1929
01:31:13.260 --> 01:31:16.079
nurse working alongside Chapel and Wabenga.

1930
01:31:16.140 --> 01:31:19.859
Um, you know, uh, we've got the 2 Kirks.

1931
01:31:19.920 --> 01:31:24.359
Like, I think we are going getting more sort of semi-regular

1932
01:31:24.359 --> 01:31:24.840
characters.

1933
01:31:24.899 --> 01:31:27.479
It feels and Mitchell, you know.

1934
01:31:28.500 --> 01:31:32.880
The Academy show looks interesting. again, everyone's very

1935
01:31:32.880 --> 01:31:33.479
attractive.

1936
01:31:33.539 --> 01:31:36.060
No, that's female Gemma deal.

1937
01:31:36.119 --> 01:31:38.279
We were just saying there's no gemma dolls in the future.

1938
01:31:38.340 --> 01:31:40.920
There's that picture of that female Jem'adar woman now, isn't

1939
01:31:40.920 --> 01:31:41.039
there?

1940
01:31:41.760 --> 01:31:43.979
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1941
01:31:44.039 --> 01:31:45.420
Well, I think she looks amazing.

1942
01:31:45.479 --> 01:31:48.300
And apparently she's part Klingon or something and we're going to

1943
01:31:48.300 --> 01:31:49.920
find out why she's female and stuff.

1944
01:31:49.979 --> 01:31:52.260
But all of the kids just look ridiculous.

1945
01:31:52.319 --> 01:31:56.699
That Klingon guy, the Klingon medical student is just as hot as

1946
01:31:56.699 --> 01:31:57.180
fuck.

1947
01:31:57.239 --> 01:32:00.239
But, you know, everyone's very attractive.

1948
01:32:00.300 --> 01:32:03.180
Oh, and it turns out that Holly Hunter's character is part

1949
01:32:03.180 --> 01:32:06.420
lanthanite, so the same race as Pelia.

1950
01:32:06.479 --> 01:32:08.640
So she's lived for a long time.

1951
01:32:08.699 --> 01:32:14.100
So the thing about Peligo is that she, like, everyone was in her

1952
01:32:14.100 --> 01:32:19.439
classes at the academy, including Scotty, but other characters as

1953
01:32:19.439 --> 01:32:21.300
well, had had her.

1954
01:32:21.300 --> 01:32:24.600
It'd be nice to have a new show to jump into as well, wasn't it?

1955
01:32:24.659 --> 01:32:26.640
Something completely new to talk about again.

1956
01:32:26.699 --> 01:32:33.000
Yeah, so, um, Tilly's in it, and Teague Nataro's in it, like Jet

1957
01:32:33.000 --> 01:32:39.960
Reno's in it a bit, and um, and uh, handsome Admiral Vance was in

1958
01:32:39.960 --> 01:32:40.619
it as well.

1959
01:32:40.680 --> 01:32:43.199
Robert Picardo. and Robert Picardo.

1960
01:32:43.260 --> 01:32:44.819
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1961
01:32:44.880 --> 01:32:45.960
Bobby P.

1962
01:32:46.020 --> 01:32:53.100
I wonder what, um, I wonder which, is he the living witness, um

1963
01:32:53.100 --> 01:32:53.939
EMH?

1964
01:32:54.000 --> 01:32:59.100
Have you seen that clip of Mulgrew talking about prodigy being

1965
01:32:59.100 --> 01:33:00.300
cancelled?

1966
01:33:00.359 --> 01:33:01.020
is so great.

1967
01:33:01.079 --> 01:33:04.140
Oh my god, I'll send it to you. so great.

1968
01:33:04.260 --> 01:33:08.100
Because she's she's at a convention and there's people there that

1969
01:33:08.100 --> 01:33:10.079
made choices and she goes, well, you tell me.

1970
01:33:10.199 --> 01:33:12.300
Why was this cancelled?

1971
01:33:12.359 --> 01:33:17.039
She goes, this was vital. absolutely vital television for

1972
01:33:17.039 --> 01:33:17.520
children.

1973
01:33:17.579 --> 01:33:20.520
She goes, I'm more importantly, it was really good.

1974
01:33:20.699 --> 01:33:25.380
She goes, so please tell me what possible explanation you can give

1975
01:33:25.380 --> 01:33:30.359
as to why this was pulled from the schedules and why another

1976
01:33:30.359 --> 01:33:32.399
another streaming stuff is had to pick it up.

1977
01:33:32.460 --> 01:33:36.420
She goes, don't you want children to have good television?

1978
01:33:36.479 --> 01:33:39.960
Oh my god, I was like, fucking hell. they can't answer her.

1979
01:33:40.199 --> 01:33:46.380
And the whole thing too was that it was to direct people into Star

1980
01:33:46.380 --> 01:33:46.979
Trek.

1981
01:33:47.039 --> 01:33:51.840
It was a thing for kids pitched at kids that was not dumb, that

1982
01:33:51.840 --> 01:33:55.439
was smart and fun and entertaining and visually...

1983
01:33:55.500 --> 01:33:58.079
And it was a gayway thing.

1984
01:33:58.199 --> 01:34:00.779
Sophisticated. and some of the stop being pointed adults.

1985
01:34:01.020 --> 01:34:04.920
So those 2 pars, we did, were pretty great.

1986
01:34:05.039 --> 01:34:05.460
Yeah.

1987
01:34:05.460 --> 01:34:08.100
Yeah, it's a great...

1988
01:34:08.100 --> 01:34:09.720
Yeah, I love K Ballgrew, man.

1989
01:34:09.779 --> 01:34:13.260
She's more fun, actually, so often she is, as J.

1990
01:34:13.260 --> 01:34:13.680
Wayne.

1991
01:34:13.739 --> 01:34:15.180
Yeah, yeah.

1992
01:34:15.239 --> 01:34:16.739
Oh, boy.

1993
01:34:16.800 --> 01:34:19.680
I mean, just put on any convention appearance with her on it, you

1994
01:34:19.680 --> 01:34:20.039
know.

1995
01:34:20.159 --> 01:34:24.300
When she talks about how she treated Jerry Ryan.

1996
01:34:24.359 --> 01:34:27.180
That's just she she just holds herself to account.

1997
01:34:27.239 --> 01:34:29.880
And she goes, she goes, I was embarrassed.

1998
01:34:29.939 --> 01:34:33.960
I thought I would be good enough to draw a female draw for

1999
01:34:33.960 --> 01:34:34.380
everybody.

2000
01:34:34.439 --> 01:34:39.420
She goes and they brought in this, you know, young, attractive

2001
01:34:39.420 --> 01:34:43.260
talented, ridiculously talented woman, you know.

2002
01:34:43.319 --> 01:34:46.739
And she goes, and I was jealous, and perhaps I didn't carry myself

2003
01:34:46.739 --> 01:34:48.779
as well as I possibly could have.

2004
01:34:48.960 --> 01:34:51.659
And then Joe Ryan gives her a big hug.

2005
01:34:51.840 --> 01:34:55.560
Well, I got the last load or turn on the card, you know?

2006
01:34:56.579 --> 01:34:57.600
They're still both doing it.

2007
01:34:57.659 --> 01:34:59.520
They're still, they were still doing it.

2008
01:34:59.579 --> 01:34:59.939
Yeah.

2009
01:34:59.939 --> 01:35:01.199
Yeah.

2010
01:35:01.260 --> 01:35:02.520
I hope that's not the only one.

2011
01:35:02.579 --> 01:35:05.100
So we'll have 20 episodes of Star Trek next year.

2012
01:35:05.159 --> 01:35:10.319
And the year after, I assume, you know, It does feel like it's

2013
01:35:10.319 --> 01:35:11.520
winding down a bit, though, doesn't it?

2014
01:35:11.579 --> 01:35:12.840
From where it was.

2015
01:35:12.899 --> 01:35:16.619
I don't think that was sort of sustainable long term, was it?

2016
01:35:16.680 --> 01:35:17.939
The amount they were doing.

2017
01:35:18.000 --> 01:35:20.760
But it'd be nice to have Star Trek be just a regular going

2018
01:35:20.760 --> 01:35:21.720
concern.

2019
01:35:21.840 --> 01:35:25.020
And like that section 31, I would have watched the shit out of

2020
01:35:25.020 --> 01:35:26.520
that had that gone to a show.

2021
01:35:26.520 --> 01:35:31.079
Or most of its problems were shoe horning an entire season into

2022
01:35:31.079 --> 01:35:37.260
like a movie and with minimal effort to make it work as a movie.

2023
01:35:37.319 --> 01:35:39.479
Um, it would have been fun though.

2024
01:35:39.539 --> 01:35:41.880
I mean, I hope I hope academy lands.

2025
01:35:41.939 --> 01:35:43.560
Otherwise, it'll be the rarest of things.

2026
01:35:43.619 --> 01:35:47.819
It'll be Doctor Who and Star Trek, not on the air.

2027
01:35:47.880 --> 01:35:52.140
Usually, God, usually. one rises when another falls, you know?

2028
01:35:52.199 --> 01:35:54.960
Yeah, but it'd be interesting to see.