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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So, we're back aboard Voyager this week.

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It's season 6 episode 7, Dragons teeth, which sees the introduction of the Vardois, a pretty significant contribution by Voyager to the Star Trek pantheon.

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They will be back.

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Jway says in the last scene. not the last we've seen of them.

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Yeah.

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And I gather originally, and this is from an interview with Brannan Braga that's quoted on Memory Alpha, that this was going to be one of Voyager's kind of big two-part event episodes, you know, like dark frontier.

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And I'm usually someone who thinks that if something's a bit crappy, it wouldn't be made better by making it twice as long.

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But I have to say that there's something about this that would have made, I think, for a pretty great event episode, but instead, because it's just another episode of Voyager, it all seems a bit inconsequential.

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It even feels like they're trying to put in the resources for a 2 part episode, you know, because I think like, yeah, we will probably point and laugh.

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That's what it's TGI in this episode.

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But for the time, it's pretty good.

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It's pretty detailed, you know, and there's some there's some good sort of Voyager going to the atmosphere of a planet and stuff like that going on.

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There's some terrible backdrops through Windows in Voyager, but we'll talk about those.

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Do you know what?

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You sent me a bit of trivia about this.

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It's supposed to be a two-parter, and then they decided to make it a one-parter because they didn't think it would stretch to a two-parter.

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And then they realised, no, as a one parter, it's too rust, and it should have been a two-parter after all.

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We were in series 6 of Voyager now.

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They should be better at doing this.

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They've made, what, 140 fucking episodes of this now.

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So they should know as a script is coming together.

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Do you know what?

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This is long enough.

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Let's bolster it out.

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Let's lose fucking Alice because that was a dog turd of an episode and make dragon's tea for too far.

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It just bugs me because I think there's potential here.

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I think this could have been pretty special, but because it has to rush everything.

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So motivations are lost.

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There's no time to give anybody any character.

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We literally dash like the events run from one thing to another.

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There's no time to breathe in any of it.

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I don't know.

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I came out of it, just angry because I could just see something really special here, and there was no time to, there was no time to make it special.

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I was irritated by like the performances of the Valdoir.

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I don't think there was any great charisma in any of them when you compare them to like the actors they get in to play aliens on DS9.

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It just is really obvious that they are just going for mid-level actors to play these roles.

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Whereas I think if this was going to be a two-parter.

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They pull in, you know, an anorax or something like that, you know, a ball queen. somebody really impressive.

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Yeah, so the ting of unfulfilled potential, unfortunately, reeks from this, which is so annoying because I think there's good stuff in it.

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I think Neelix is great in this.

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I think 7 is great in this.

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I think there's some good action in it.

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There's some pretty good direction, some pretty bad direction too, but there's some pretty good direction of paths.

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I like Janeway all business.

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Like, there's good stuff, but it's really average because of how it's crammed into 45 minutes.

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You see, it looks like it's positioning itself to be the introduction of a great new enemy, and obviously they decide it doesn't work.

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And their wrong doesn't work.

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Yeah.

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I will get there.

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But the idea is that this was a race of people who have been absent for 900 years, much like the crew of Discovery, and they turn up again.

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And 900 years ago, they were kind of these mythological figures that would just appear in your sky and take over your planet that would appear out of nowhere and attack your...

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And now there's something from the past, like this long dead evil that has emerged into the present day and is keen to start doing that again.

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But they absolutely flub it because there's no atmosphere at no point do they seem like ancient and terrifying, which is what they need to seem like.

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And because they're on the back foot, because they constantly portray being from 900 years ago as a big disadvantage because apparently technology advances at the same rate everywhere, so all their stuff's out of date.

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So they had deliberately sort of positioned them as not really a threat.

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And so something that could have been really strange and eerie, just becomes stupid Voyager people and they look dreadful.

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Like, Voyager has the Boma, right?

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But this was going to be, you know, like maybe the main threat of series 6, right?

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And they just look absurd.

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They are so bad.

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And like 90s latex Star Trek alien races are not that good.

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And even the ones that we see all the time are often a bit of a problem.

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And like last time I kept remarking about how much latex there was on screen in just about every shot.

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But the Vardwa are much, much worse, I think, than any of the attempted regular aliens that we've ever had.

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I think they're really, really astoundingly bad.

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And it's the...

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You know, Dr. Flocks puffs out like a puffer fish.

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And it's a joke.

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They look like that, but all the time.

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All the time.

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Like they're dreadful.

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They're absolutely dreadful.

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And clearly there's some attempt to make them look like snakes. like cobras, right?

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I did it.

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Bet so would the Kardashians, though, didn't they?

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Yeah, I mean, the Kardassians, you know, we're lucky that they get away with the Kardashians. they look ridiculous, but they still have a massive spoon on the range.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I mean, it's still very strange.

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It's funny But you could do a cobra, right?

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And it wouldn't look as comical as this.

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Yeah, 0 no, they just look absurd.

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And and they just look like white American people as well.

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Like, that's just kind of, you know, that opening scene with Gedron's wife who's wearing high heels and a little dress.

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She's running through fucking rubble in high heels.

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Like, take your shoes off, love.

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You might get there.

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She's just an American lady from 1999 who's been in some horrific threshing machine accident.

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You know, like, it's stupid.

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It's just stupid.

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But not only, are they not an ancient and terrifying, you know, threat from the past, yeah.

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They're not a charismatic and persuasive race in the present, and that's what they needed to be here.

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They needed to be able to convince the Voyager crew.

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Do you know what?

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Yeah, maybe we had a bit of a dark pass, but we're a force for good now, you know.

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And we'll join forces with you and all of that.

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And if they kind of have gone down that route.

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But I just think it makes the Voyager crew look so stupid when you need Naomi Wildman to point out, do you know what?

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These Valdoir aren't very nice.

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And then Neelix does his little, you know, Angela Lansbury investigation and then exposes the whole thing.

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It makes them look stupid in an episode where they've actually been behaving quite competently.

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It's very odd.

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I think that's the other thing as well that I think that the twist is very, very badly handled.

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And what it needed to be was we needed to see them interacting with Vardois and starting to get worried about what they say and how they behave.

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Which they would have done, right, if this has been a 2 pass. right.

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Instead, we just get told about it.

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So we get Naomi reacting badly to the Vardwir children who we don't see.

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We get Neelix investigating fairy tales from 100s of years ago by having a conversation with the computer.

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Like we don't see them starting to behave oddly or starting to rouse the cruise suspicions by their behaviour.

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There's a hint of it.

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There's a scene with Gedron and Balana, where Gedron says something odd about his dead wife and Balana reacts to that, but we needed to see more of that sort of thing.

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And what it needed to be was, you know, the Voyager crew, giving them the benefit of the doubt because they'd seen them in a bad way that they'd been the victim of this nuclear annihilation, but then starting to worry about their behaviour and wonder about them and then culminating in a confrontation.

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And I think because they don't properly get how cool it would have been for this to have been a terrifying alien threat, long thought to be dead and gone.

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Like that would have been so great at such a strong idea for an alien as we know as Doctor Who fads because it's a constant thing that they do.

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It would have been really great, but instead it's just another set of people wearing particularly stupid latex masks.

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You might fight me on this, but I think there's potential here.

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I just don't know if they've got the ability to do it.

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DS Knight did it because it did a six-part arc. of doing like 6 episodes, you know, where you set some of this stuff up where you're in a prolonged area of space, the vardwire space, and you do this whole sort of political shenanigans with lots of twists and interesting guest characters coming in and there is potential to do it.

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They're just not interested, are they?

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They want this to be an action episode more than anything.

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Yeah Yeah.

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And like it's quite a decent action episode, but like compare it to the introduction of the Hirogen who are more successful and you get hunters and then prey and then you get the killing game.

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And I think they're quite successful.

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They're memorable.

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It is sort of stupid, latex people, but not horrifically stupid, 4 episodes of them, you know?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And they're not bad episodes and they have atmosphere, you know, like they're a credible threat.

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There's something very weird about them.

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Like the hunting thing isn't a massively brilliant idea, but at least it's a strong concept.

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They nearly have a strong concept here, but because I think it, because it's just a general run of the mill Voyager episode, there's no time to develop it and turn it into anything.

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Trouble with Voyager as well at this point is even when it's trying to open itself out, which it is trying to do it because it's left open-ended, is that it's eating its own tail so much.

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So, you know, we go down on a planet and find people in pods.

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Well, we did that in the 37s and we did that in the Thor, you know.

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There's an alien race or there's a race of people on the ship.

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They want to take over Voyager and use it.

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Well, we just did that in equinox, you know, like all of these things we've done before.

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So are they just out of ideas at this point?

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Well, I mean, I actually think that the stuff about the radioactive planet and then landing in the city and and encountering these people.

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I thought all of that was really strong and interesting and then having another stupid alien race above the atmosphere threatening them and, you know, waiting with them.

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No, I don't think they look worse, but they do look very bad.

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I've been watching how clean is your house recently, right?

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with Kim and Aggie. because Kim Woodburn.

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The queen has just left us and what Aggie does is she takes swabs of people's house, you know, disgusting houses and then she shows them, yeah, what could happen to their faces, should they get infected by this streplycophica, whatever it is, right?

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Honestly, that alien race.

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It's not a 1000000 miles away from what would happen, you know, if you don't clean your house too much.

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Take this, that's all.

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So bad.

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It's so bad.

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You can't even talk out of that stupid mouth, can you?

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No, it's ridiculous.

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It is ridiculous.

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But like, I actually think there's strong ideas here and I think the action is actually pretty well done.

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I didn't hate it.

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We get in there quite quickly.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I thought the CGI was great and I remember at the time, the scene that you sent me a screen cap of where it's some Gedron and chainway.

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But the view is out the window of her... thought that was fine at the time.

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In fact, I thought it was hugely impressive at the time.

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I have to say.

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And now?

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Well, I think it's okay.

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It's certainly trying to look more interesting than just putting up the sequined curtains again.

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You know.

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It reminded me of sort of Babylon 5. like they've gone in with Crayola crayons and done some colouring in in the windows, you know?

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Oh, no, I think those, I think that those images of the ruined city look pretty great.

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I like it when the ship comes in.

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Yeah, you know, and it's all it's all of a piece.

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But when you have that sort of cartoony imagery and then people in front of it, they can't quite do the matting, can they?

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But I think we're getting to a pretty interesting level of CGI.

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Voyager's been here for a year or so.

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I think something like timeless had pretty impressive computer generated stuff in it.

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Like, like, I think they can do it now.

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And it's so rare that they try.

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And this is a completely different kind of environment.

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I think Voyager only lands on a planet like 4 times or something in its run, and this is one of them, and I think they could have done it more frequently because it looks really good.

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You know what this is?

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It's the Voyager episodes where you sort of watch it and you're enjoying it from saying to scene. you know, and you sort of get to the end and go, oh, that was quite fun.

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And then the 2nd you start thinking about it, it just falls apart.

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Part in your end, you're like, oh, that was actually a bit of a dog, wasn't it?

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You know?

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Yeah, I mean, I think it was a perfectly acceptable hour.

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I wasn't bored or anything, but it wasn't very good and there were bits of it that were really atrocious.

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And, and, and I guess the difference between what its ambitions could have been and what we ended up getting just sort of a little bit disappointing, I think.

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I just think some creative and production decisions take something that could have been exceptional Voyager, not exceptional television, but exceptional Voyager, and what you get is actually something that's diverting.

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Yeah.

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And that's a shame.

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Well, on that note, let's go in.

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It'll probably be really nice now as we're watching it.

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Oh, yeah, can I?

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Oh, can I quickly tell you my theory about the Vardoir?

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Oh yeah.

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It's not a particularly interesting one.

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But I just imagine, they've done so many alien races at this point.

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They're all sitting around the office going, oh, God.

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Whoa, you know, a V, a V's a good start for a space name, you know.

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And then they're sort of...

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They're sort of going far, va, va...

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Yes, that'll do.

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You know, that's basically how they've come up with this, right?

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It's a bad word, isn't it?

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It's stupid Well, if they lean on the keyboard and just...

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I mean, come on Nathan.

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Gedrin the Vardoir.

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Yeah, I know, I know.

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Gedron space name.

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All right.

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Okay.

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I will count as it in that case.

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Five, four, three, two, one, and we're off.

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Now, this shot we've actually already commented on because it's in the opening credits of in a mirror darkly, the Enterprise.

211
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Yeah, there's the woman with her pipe. high heels off, love.

212
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Come on.

213
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Like, why do they have hair?

214
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Like, I don't know.

215
00:16:50.159 --> 00:16:52.379
It just looks it looks stupid.

216
00:16:52.440 --> 00:17:00.299
But look, she's wearing, she started on that pretty reasonable, a special effects shot and then come straight into stockcape set number 42.

217
00:17:00.419 --> 00:17:03.419
It's cave set number one, but yeah, yeah.

218
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And just these people.

219
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So this scene is actually set, and I don't think many people will realise this as they're watching it during the reign of King Richard III just before...

220
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Did he have much to say about the World War?

221
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He didn't know, but this is set in the year 1484 because the main episode is set in 2376 and we learn that it's 892 years.

222
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Fetch me my new Royal Chester.

223
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I believe he's a Vardois.

224
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It's got a real mediaeval feel to it.

225
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Imagine one of those vars with those sort of gesture hats with the bills on it, you know?

226
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It would have helped.

227
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Oh boy.

228
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What we having for our face, sire.

229
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Roast hardwir tonight.

230
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We stayed...

231
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I wish they'd done, you know, 892 years later when we go back from the from the ad break, but obviously Voyager doesn't do that.

232
00:18:07.680 --> 00:18:09.119
Star Trek doesn't do that at this point.

233
00:18:09.180 --> 00:18:16.799
There's such stories to be told about historical periods, you know, where Star Trek aliens existed in the distant past.

234
00:18:17.339 --> 00:18:21.119
I mean, we aliens always go to the present day.

235
00:18:21.240 --> 00:18:22.500
Why can't they go to the post?

236
00:18:22.559 --> 00:18:30.000
We actually did learn in our last episode that the Dominion is 2000 years old?

237
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Oh, boy.

238
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When was that?

239
00:18:32.700 --> 00:18:33.839
When was that?

240
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period was that?

241
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Well, I don't know.

242
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The 3rd century, you know, Constantine.

243
00:18:40.079 --> 00:18:40.680
I don't know.

244
00:18:42.000 --> 00:18:45.359
If you're saying the Dominion wrote the Bible.

245
00:18:45.420 --> 00:18:47.460
I'm out, all right, it's after the Bible.

246
00:18:47.579 --> 00:18:48.599
It's after the Bible.

247
00:18:48.779 --> 00:18:50.940
Yeah, so anyway.

248
00:18:54.420 --> 00:18:58.559
That may be the most fun we have this episode thinking of.

249
00:18:58.680 --> 00:18:59.339
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

250
00:18:59.400 --> 00:18:59.759
Yeah.

251
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Yes, fantastic style.

252
00:19:01.259 --> 00:19:03.960
The king playing with a Valdoir.

253
00:19:04.019 --> 00:19:13.980
So we do expect to see the Vardwir again at some point, but of course they're so reduced by this episode that the prospect of it isn't all that terrifying.

254
00:19:14.039 --> 00:19:27.660
If we'd had an episode that had actually launched them on an unsuspecting a galaxy or an unsuspecting kind of quadrant, and then you would have had 7 to blame herself for it and, you know, some real.

255
00:19:27.720 --> 00:19:30.000
So there's definitely threats to pick up on, isn't it?

256
00:19:30.119 --> 00:19:30.960
proper stakes.

257
00:19:31.019 --> 00:19:35.460
But the Vardois do actually occur a couple of times more in Star Trek.

258
00:19:35.519 --> 00:19:43.140
And there is a dead Vardois on board the station in the Enterprise episode Dead Stop.

259
00:19:43.200 --> 00:19:44.640
Okay.

260
00:19:44.700 --> 00:19:47.220
And so we do see the body.

261
00:19:47.519 --> 00:19:54.720
And in the recent Star Trek film section 31, which was really fun, don't at me.

262
00:19:54.779 --> 00:20:00.420
There is a hot lady Vardoir, who has not looking like this.

263
00:20:00.480 --> 00:20:02.039
No, looking much better.

264
00:20:02.099 --> 00:20:03.779
The makeup is really actually quite good.

265
00:20:03.839 --> 00:20:05.700
They managed to make her look like a cobra.

266
00:20:05.759 --> 00:20:08.579
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

267
00:20:08.640 --> 00:20:10.440
It's a significantly better makeup.

268
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I went to this and went, do you know, we're going to put this in that section 31.

269
00:20:13.799 --> 00:20:14.940
Well, because it's Vadwa.

270
00:20:15.000 --> 00:20:16.319
You know, like, it's a thing.

271
00:20:16.380 --> 00:20:17.039
Of course I did.

272
00:20:17.099 --> 00:20:18.000
I mean...

273
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Curse control.

274
00:20:21.000 --> 00:20:22.740
I love you, but you're fucking mad, all right?

275
00:20:22.799 --> 00:20:25.140
They're a bit more purple.

276
00:20:25.200 --> 00:20:25.980
Yeah, yeah.

277
00:20:26.039 --> 00:20:30.420
Voyager going down this subspace tunnel that, now, and I did like this.

278
00:20:30.480 --> 00:20:32.640
Oh boy, there's that shitty alien.

279
00:20:32.700 --> 00:20:34.079
I mean, look him.

280
00:20:34.140 --> 00:20:35.279
Yeah.

281
00:20:35.339 --> 00:20:35.940
Yeah.

282
00:20:36.000 --> 00:20:41.220
Have you ever seen the sort of the pictures they put up on the sexual health website about if you're not careful?

283
00:20:41.279 --> 00:20:43.019
It looks a bit like that, you know.

284
00:20:43.079 --> 00:20:48.059
It looks like what my dogs leave on the lawn after they've eaten a bone.

285
00:20:48.119 --> 00:20:50.160
They do go white, don't they?

286
00:20:50.220 --> 00:20:50.880
Yeah.

287
00:20:50.880 --> 00:20:51.180
Yeah.

288
00:20:51.240 --> 00:20:51.539
Okay.

289
00:20:51.599 --> 00:20:54.000
Do you know, is that the alien?

290
00:20:54.059 --> 00:20:57.599
The Kate Mulgrew was talking about, or is it the Vardois?

291
00:20:57.660 --> 00:21:06.420
You know, the one where she goes, you know, I was trying so, because I swear there's a moment in this episode where you can see Kate trying her damnedest not to laugh.

292
00:21:06.539 --> 00:21:09.000
Well, she's never on set with the other guy.

293
00:21:09.059 --> 00:21:09.900
Do you know what I mean?

294
00:21:09.960 --> 00:21:15.240
Presumably, they're just, you know, someone off, uh, off cameras saying the dialogue.

295
00:21:15.299 --> 00:21:17.220
So she's seen that.

296
00:21:17.279 --> 00:21:19.440
She tries her hardest not to look at him.

297
00:21:19.500 --> 00:21:21.480
So she spends most of it looking out the window.

298
00:21:21.480 --> 00:21:22.740
Yeah.

299
00:21:22.799 --> 00:21:24.960
Yeah, it's, I mean, it's so bad.

300
00:21:25.019 --> 00:21:28.980
Like, this is bad. but we're unprepared for quite how bad.

301
00:21:29.039 --> 00:21:31.079
Oh, well, we've seen the vodware in the...

302
00:21:31.140 --> 00:21:33.240
Can you even imagine waking up and looking like that?

303
00:21:33.299 --> 00:21:34.920
Well, it's not just that.

304
00:21:34.980 --> 00:21:38.519
It's like, oh, I've got a job on, I've got a TV job.

305
00:21:38.579 --> 00:21:41.519
I'm going to be on this thing on CBS or whatever.

306
00:21:41.579 --> 00:21:42.359
What are you playing?

307
00:21:42.420 --> 00:21:47.160
I'm playing an alien on Star Trek, which is pretty exciting. like Nemoy, remember him?

308
00:21:47.220 --> 00:21:48.359
He was an alien on something.

309
00:21:48.420 --> 00:21:49.200
What are you going to look like?

310
00:21:49.259 --> 00:21:52.799
I am going to look like, I can't even say.

311
00:21:52.859 --> 00:21:54.599
Like the labial.

312
00:21:54.660 --> 00:21:58.500
You know, like the, it's outrageous.

313
00:21:58.559 --> 00:22:00.480
The necks are so bad.

314
00:22:00.539 --> 00:22:10.019
We'll get there when he's on screen and I'll say, it's like the shape between the chin and the and the collar... say this to you.

315
00:22:10.079 --> 00:22:11.099
You know, it's work.

316
00:22:11.160 --> 00:22:11.700
Right?

317
00:22:11.700 --> 00:22:12.960
They're paying you.

318
00:22:13.019 --> 00:22:15.299
It's so embarrassing, though.

319
00:22:15.359 --> 00:22:17.759
Do you think he even put it on his CV?

320
00:22:17.819 --> 00:22:19.619
Oh, I don't know.

321
00:22:19.680 --> 00:22:20.579
I don't know.

322
00:22:20.640 --> 00:22:23.220
So it's Jeff Allen as Gedron.

323
00:22:23.279 --> 00:22:29.700
Um, but we do have a couple of other, um, a couple of other Vardwa who speak.

324
00:22:29.759 --> 00:22:33.420
I did love how Janeway was all business in this episode, you know?

325
00:22:33.480 --> 00:22:36.480
Like, she doesn't really, she's not the empathetic one.

326
00:22:36.539 --> 00:22:42.359
It's 7 who's quite nice to the hard one because she recognises, you know, all, maybe the Borg were a bit nasty to them in the past.

327
00:22:42.420 --> 00:22:46.680
But Janeway is just all, like, I don't think she cracks a smile in the whole episode.

328
00:22:46.740 --> 00:22:54.000
What I like is that we don't start with, you know, trying to guess Tuvok's age or some tedious banter or whatever.

329
00:22:54.059 --> 00:22:55.619
There's no time.

330
00:22:55.740 --> 00:22:57.240
No, for the shit.

331
00:22:57.299 --> 00:23:01.140
By the time she comes on the bridge, we're already in these subspace corridors.

332
00:23:01.200 --> 00:23:10.559
So we're or and now we've just been ejected from them and now we have the Touray who are going to chase us to try and erase all the information. we have about them.

333
00:23:10.619 --> 00:23:14.579
So that's the one good thing about reducing this to one episode.

334
00:23:14.640 --> 00:23:15.660
Is it snappier?

335
00:23:15.720 --> 00:23:23.880
But the bad thing is when you want big sweeping changes to happen in the story and you have to do it, you know, in 5 seconds.

336
00:23:23.940 --> 00:23:33.539
Yeah, but I think the problem is that we lose the middle bit of this episode. but because it stops being about the Vandois, getting to know the Vardois.

337
00:23:33.599 --> 00:23:36.599
Getting to know them and finding out that they're actually terrible people.

338
00:23:38.099 --> 00:23:40.799
I mean, they're called Defardwa.

339
00:23:40.859 --> 00:23:42.779
I know, I know, and look how they look.

340
00:23:42.839 --> 00:23:45.059
I believe that's Talaxian for foolish.

341
00:23:45.119 --> 00:23:47.819
Yes, but I mean...

342
00:23:47.819 --> 00:23:48.420
Oh, look at that.

343
00:23:48.480 --> 00:23:52.440
Voyager coming down into the atmosphere of a radioactive city.

344
00:23:52.500 --> 00:23:54.240
It looks great, doesn't it?

345
00:23:54.299 --> 00:24:00.119
Like the city before it, like when it was under attack, in the cold open looked magnificent, we only saw a couple of seconds of it.

346
00:24:00.180 --> 00:24:03.180
I only do it sort of twice a year.

347
00:24:03.240 --> 00:24:05.279
Maybe once a year, Land Voyager.

348
00:24:05.339 --> 00:24:08.220
But if this was now, we'd be doing this every hour, wait, wouldn't we?

349
00:24:08.279 --> 00:24:09.839
It's less frequently than that.

350
00:24:09.900 --> 00:24:12.180
I think that's like 4 times or 5 times.

351
00:24:12.240 --> 00:24:14.819
It's a very small number of...

352
00:24:14.880 --> 00:24:16.619
They land it on the demon planet, don't they?

353
00:24:16.680 --> 00:24:17.400
I remember that.

354
00:24:17.460 --> 00:24:20.039
And they definitely land it in the 37s.

355
00:24:20.099 --> 00:24:20.940
Yep.

356
00:24:21.000 --> 00:24:23.880
And then there's one more time later on, but I can't remember.

357
00:24:23.940 --> 00:24:25.200
Do you remember it?

358
00:24:26.039 --> 00:24:30.539
It's like, 0 my god, we've landed the ship next to this beautiful city that we never see.

359
00:24:31.980 --> 00:24:34.380
Oh, I know the last one.

360
00:24:35.099 --> 00:24:38.519
Nightingale. 19 gallon series 7..

361
00:24:38.579 --> 00:24:39.059
Is that it?

362
00:24:39.119 --> 00:24:39.839
In the whole round.

363
00:24:39.900 --> 00:24:40.259
Yeah.

364
00:24:40.259 --> 00:24:40.680
Yeah.

365
00:24:40.740 --> 00:24:41.279
Wow.

366
00:24:41.339 --> 00:24:42.359
It's expensive.

367
00:24:42.420 --> 00:24:46.740
It's why, you know, um, Yeah, yes.

368
00:24:47.519 --> 00:24:51.119
Now 7's wearing heels with all of these rocks about.

369
00:24:51.359 --> 00:24:52.799
And like spangly things.

370
00:24:52.859 --> 00:24:55.619
Like they're going down to a radioactive planet.

371
00:24:55.680 --> 00:24:57.900
I thought, oh, maybe they'll wear suits or something.

372
00:24:57.960 --> 00:24:59.819
You've got be kidding me.

373
00:24:59.880 --> 00:25:01.619
That is the same angle from the start.

374
00:25:01.680 --> 00:25:02.759
They've not even moved the camera.

375
00:25:02.819 --> 00:25:06.839
That's exactly the same angle where that woman was walking with her high heels.

376
00:25:06.900 --> 00:25:08.700
That's like, right, hang on.

377
00:25:08.759 --> 00:25:10.079
You guys stand over there, right?

378
00:25:10.140 --> 00:25:10.920
Woman, you go first.

379
00:25:10.980 --> 00:25:11.279
Right.

380
00:25:11.339 --> 00:25:12.599
Voyager crew, you go next.

381
00:25:12.660 --> 00:25:13.079
Great.

382
00:25:13.140 --> 00:25:13.740
We got our shots.

383
00:25:13.799 --> 00:25:20.700
But it's all bits and pieces that we've been seeing on television for over 10 years now at this point.

384
00:25:20.759 --> 00:25:24.720
It's usually when TNG or DS9 goes to sort of mining places.

385
00:25:24.779 --> 00:25:28.559
You get the stock cave set and then you get these sort of girders.

386
00:25:28.680 --> 00:25:29.519
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

387
00:25:29.579 --> 00:25:30.059
Yeah.

388
00:25:30.119 --> 00:25:34.980
I bet there's a there's a girder watch on memory alpha somewhere, you know.

389
00:25:35.039 --> 00:25:39.660
There's certainly in the vengeance factor was the 1st thing that I thought.

390
00:25:39.720 --> 00:25:43.079
I mean, these look just like the pods they had in Npok Nore.

391
00:25:43.140 --> 00:25:44.759
Do you remember what the Cardassians in them?

392
00:25:44.880 --> 00:25:46.380
Yeah, yeah.

393
00:25:46.500 --> 00:25:48.660
Oh, we could have to build more pox.

394
00:25:48.720 --> 00:25:51.480
Did you put them in storage stacks pods?

395
00:25:51.539 --> 00:25:55.740
But I mean, I kind of like this, but what, it's Rick Colby, isn't it?

396
00:25:55.799 --> 00:25:58.319
Like, but there's no atmosphere to this.

397
00:25:58.380 --> 00:26:00.299
This is just an usual week.

398
00:26:00.359 --> 00:26:13.200
You know, like if it's the beginning of a terrifying and weird new threat, and I think the concept that they have is strong enough that it could be, it's certainly not being sold by the visuals.

399
00:26:13.319 --> 00:26:14.220
They're very boring.

400
00:26:14.339 --> 00:26:19.319
You recall, al less uncollective are both in this season as well.

401
00:26:19.380 --> 00:26:25.980
And so maybe they've just, but then we did have the haunting of deck 12 and that had some atmosphere.

402
00:26:26.039 --> 00:26:27.000
Maybe it depends on the director.

403
00:26:27.119 --> 00:26:28.259
Yeah, yeah.

404
00:26:29.099 --> 00:26:35.460
Yeah, I see, I really like when Janeway goes seven, what are you doing?

405
00:26:35.579 --> 00:26:40.380
Like, it's so interesting and doesn't she?

406
00:26:40.440 --> 00:26:44.339
say to her, you're going to have to brush up on protocols of how to...

407
00:26:44.339 --> 00:26:46.079
That's a little bit more boring.

408
00:26:46.140 --> 00:26:47.039
Do you know what I mean?

409
00:26:47.099 --> 00:26:50.940
It's like, oh, you, it's not that she's broken the mission protocols.

410
00:26:51.000 --> 00:26:55.680
It's that she has reanimated someone who could be potentially very dangerous.

411
00:26:56.579 --> 00:27:06.000
There's a really terrible race of um, rubber suited aliens in Doctor Who in the 60s called the Oridians.

412
00:27:06.059 --> 00:27:08.519
Yeah, they've got these big fins going down their heads.

413
00:27:08.579 --> 00:27:12.720
Well, it's nice to see those costumes are now back here for the Hardwire.

414
00:27:12.779 --> 00:27:15.960
I think this is really a lot worse than those.

415
00:27:16.019 --> 00:27:17.099
The neck.

416
00:27:17.160 --> 00:27:21.299
Oh my god, the neck and just everything between those folds.

417
00:27:21.359 --> 00:27:22.680
Like they...

418
00:27:22.680 --> 00:27:29.460
You know how the sort of the latex appendages that stick out. generally are sort of like erogenous zones.

419
00:27:29.519 --> 00:27:31.440
You know, like the ears.

420
00:27:31.500 --> 00:27:34.559
So I imagine you can do things with the neck there that, you know?

421
00:27:35.339 --> 00:27:38.519
ugh helps breathing more.

422
00:27:38.519 --> 00:27:39.480
That's bad as well.

423
00:27:39.539 --> 00:27:40.799
Like, why does he have all that hair?

424
00:27:40.859 --> 00:27:42.059
Like it's...

425
00:27:42.059 --> 00:27:43.019
That's quite nasty.

426
00:27:43.079 --> 00:27:43.980
Yeah, yeah.

427
00:27:44.039 --> 00:27:45.359
Desiccated cups.

428
00:27:45.420 --> 00:27:47.700
Why has his wife got all hair coming off her chest?

429
00:27:47.759 --> 00:27:48.240
So look.

430
00:27:48.299 --> 00:27:50.460
Yeah, no, I don't know what that is.

431
00:27:50.519 --> 00:27:51.839
It's awful.

432
00:27:51.900 --> 00:27:55.019
But, like, if she did, like, turn to dust or something.

433
00:27:55.079 --> 00:27:55.859
Do you know what I mean?

434
00:27:55.920 --> 00:27:57.839
Like that needs to be more horror than this.

435
00:27:58.019 --> 00:27:58.500
I think.

436
00:27:58.619 --> 00:28:02.519
But like they just look stupid.

437
00:28:02.579 --> 00:28:04.980
Like they look so stupid.

438
00:28:05.039 --> 00:28:07.200
Do you think it hampers the performance?

439
00:28:07.259 --> 00:28:07.980
Yes.

440
00:28:07.980 --> 00:28:11.700
I just don't think it's a particularly compelling performance anyway.

441
00:28:11.759 --> 00:28:12.420
No.

442
00:28:12.420 --> 00:28:15.539
Like, the delivery is really flat throughout.

443
00:28:15.599 --> 00:28:17.700
Whether it's him or is he Gedrin?

444
00:28:17.759 --> 00:28:18.660
Is that Gedrin?

445
00:28:18.720 --> 00:28:22.980
Or whether it's the one, you know, who's in charge, who wants to kill everybody.

446
00:28:23.039 --> 00:28:25.079
Oh, I just think they're...

447
00:28:25.079 --> 00:28:33.059
They've really boringly played it, especially when, you know how we watched Coombs last week as Wayoon and he was being camp and funny and weird and creepy.

448
00:28:33.119 --> 00:28:35.160
I just get nothing from these actors.

449
00:28:35.279 --> 00:28:40.859
We get a reference to the Devore Imperium, the Devore Imperium?

450
00:28:40.920 --> 00:28:41.759
The divorce.

451
00:28:41.759 --> 00:28:42.660
That counterpoint?

452
00:28:42.720 --> 00:28:45.420
Yeah, you know, better they mention them this week.

453
00:28:45.539 --> 00:28:47.039
Now, that's when you add an actor in.

454
00:28:47.099 --> 00:28:51.900
A proper actor who was compelling and interesting and you didn't know what he thought.

455
00:28:51.960 --> 00:28:59.579
And this guy, I mean, he's very bland and like by the end, he's no threat at all.

456
00:28:59.640 --> 00:29:00.960
He's completely domesticated.

457
00:29:01.019 --> 00:29:03.420
He's just about on our side.

458
00:29:03.480 --> 00:29:11.819
There is, like, this might be me being a little bit. racist now, so I apologise in advance, but we saw... in the audience.

459
00:29:14.339 --> 00:29:16.440
Those fans do.

460
00:29:16.440 --> 00:29:17.940
They do think they exist, you know.

461
00:29:18.000 --> 00:29:19.380
They will be taking offence.

462
00:29:19.440 --> 00:29:24.420
But we've sort of like visually, yeah, the makeup people on Star Trek.

463
00:29:24.480 --> 00:29:28.619
They tend to make the benevolent races look attractive.

464
00:29:28.680 --> 00:29:30.119
Do you know what I mean?

465
00:29:30.180 --> 00:29:33.480
And they make the evil races look like the Vardoir.

466
00:29:33.539 --> 00:29:37.380
So I think sort of immediately, visually, we're like, yeah, no, he's a bad one.

467
00:29:37.440 --> 00:29:37.859
Look at him.

468
00:29:37.920 --> 00:29:40.200
He's got a pointy face.

469
00:29:40.259 --> 00:29:45.119
He's got a winch, the chin and the nose and the just the ridges and the thing.

470
00:29:45.180 --> 00:29:46.019
But look at the hair.

471
00:29:46.079 --> 00:29:49.140
My God, why do they keep giving these fucking aliens hair?

472
00:29:49.200 --> 00:29:51.539
Did you learn nothing from the caisson?

473
00:29:51.660 --> 00:29:52.740
Forgot faith.

474
00:29:52.799 --> 00:29:54.180
With all their rocks in their hair.

475
00:29:54.240 --> 00:29:55.920
Just a big giant thing.

476
00:29:55.980 --> 00:29:57.599
Look at his face.

477
00:29:57.599 --> 00:29:58.740
Please look at Kate now.

478
00:30:01.200 --> 00:30:03.720
Keep it together. keep it together.

479
00:30:03.779 --> 00:30:07.740
I've been out this for 15 hours today, please, God.

480
00:30:07.799 --> 00:30:08.759
I can't laugh.

481
00:30:08.819 --> 00:30:10.740
I wanna go home to my children.

482
00:30:12.420 --> 00:30:15.960
Oh my god, that's so funny.

483
00:30:17.460 --> 00:30:21.779
Because his neck is so wide, he can't move his face.

484
00:30:21.839 --> 00:30:23.880
He's so stationary.

485
00:30:24.000 --> 00:30:27.960
I think this looks really good I don't think this is badly mattered in at all.

486
00:30:28.019 --> 00:30:28.740
I think it's good.

487
00:30:28.799 --> 00:30:31.380
I just don't think to see Joyce there.

488
00:30:31.500 --> 00:30:34.920
He looks like the sort of thing I would draw in that window.

489
00:30:37.019 --> 00:30:46.619
I'll say, you know, you are matted in on this Zoom call against that blasted city background far more effectively than Chainway is in this scene.

490
00:30:46.680 --> 00:30:49.440
But I certainly remember it being exciting at the time.

491
00:30:49.500 --> 00:30:57.059
You know, you can see something out the window instead of just the normal, you know, curtains with sequins sewed on.

492
00:30:57.119 --> 00:31:01.259
How is he supposed to emote with this arrowhead chin?

493
00:31:01.440 --> 00:31:03.059
Yeah, yeah.

494
00:31:03.119 --> 00:31:11.039
I did like that bit where she says I would take an umbrella and he smiles and says I should learn from you.

495
00:31:11.160 --> 00:31:15.839
Fuck is Neelix off, and it was like a bird's nest. bird's nest.

496
00:31:15.960 --> 00:31:21.839
Yeah, I took the liberty of creating some delicacies from the Belgian Quadrids.

497
00:31:21.900 --> 00:31:23.640
Oh, you old tongue?

498
00:31:23.700 --> 00:31:25.500
I mean, eggs?

499
00:31:25.559 --> 00:31:25.920
What is it?

500
00:31:25.980 --> 00:31:30.420
No, no, that's the old language that he was the Talaxil Zay in.

501
00:31:30.480 --> 00:31:32.819
It's not what he's serving.

502
00:31:32.880 --> 00:31:34.680
It looks like old tongue, though.

503
00:31:36.119 --> 00:31:37.980
This looks like some very bad eggs.

504
00:31:38.220 --> 00:31:42.720
I think Niglix is a much better sleuth here than he is chef.

505
00:31:42.779 --> 00:31:50.579
Yeah, but again, I think that this is really kind of terribly boring.

506
00:31:50.640 --> 00:31:51.779
Do you know what I mean?

507
00:31:51.839 --> 00:31:53.460
say to these new people.

508
00:31:54.180 --> 00:31:57.119
Well, in my language, you know, it may be you're an idiot.

509
00:31:57.180 --> 00:31:57.839
Yeah, yeah.

510
00:31:57.900 --> 00:31:59.039
Come on.

511
00:31:59.099 --> 00:32:01.380
Oh my god, bombs coming down.

512
00:32:01.980 --> 00:32:03.900
Oh, there we go.

513
00:32:03.960 --> 00:32:08.940
He's like, I'm trying to react to that explosion, but help me out here.

514
00:32:08.940 --> 00:32:12.480
I've got 3 kilograms of latex on my head.

515
00:32:12.599 --> 00:32:16.079
Is it the worst makeup we've seen since coarse oblivion?

516
00:32:16.140 --> 00:32:24.960
Yeah, you see, the bad thing about Cause Oblivion was they were doing it to our regulars, though, doing it to, like, our regulars to Kate and to Jerry.

517
00:32:25.019 --> 00:32:26.279
They have fixed her lips together.

518
00:32:26.339 --> 00:32:28.019
Yeah, that was embarrassing.

519
00:32:28.079 --> 00:32:32.460
But these is the stupidest alien makeup that we've seen.

520
00:32:32.579 --> 00:32:39.839
No, they've covered up his neck with a costume that makes him look a bit like a Nazi. bless him.

521
00:32:39.900 --> 00:32:41.220
It's so bad.

522
00:32:41.279 --> 00:32:43.380
Like, I just don't, like, what are they thinking?

523
00:32:43.440 --> 00:32:44.700
What do they think they're doing?

524
00:32:44.819 --> 00:32:52.380
Do you know, you know, I know you said about the regular alien races in Star Trek and there's as little thought there.

525
00:32:52.440 --> 00:32:53.279
But actually, do you know what?

526
00:32:53.339 --> 00:32:55.740
Like, I think back to the Gem'adar, the episode of the Gem'adar.

527
00:32:55.799 --> 00:32:57.839
Yeah, when they brought in the Vorce are in the cells.

528
00:32:57.900 --> 00:33:03.059
And they're doing the same sort of thing, you know, oh, I'm all innocent, and then the twist is actually, I'm part of the Dominion.

529
00:33:03.119 --> 00:33:15.900
But I do think, I thought, I think they put some thought into the water looking inoffensive so they could be negotiators. the Jemadar looking, you know, powerful so they could be the soldiers.

530
00:33:15.960 --> 00:33:19.259
And then, well, I don't know what was going on with the founders, if I'm honest.

531
00:33:19.680 --> 00:33:21.660
Wait, wait, just look like Odo.

532
00:33:22.319 --> 00:33:34.380
But, yeah, and again, we were talking about how Odo's makeup was perhaps not the best decision that's ever been made on Star Trek, but like these just look stupid.

533
00:33:34.440 --> 00:33:37.500
I'm going to go to a Star Trek convention, right?

534
00:33:37.559 --> 00:33:43.859
Branham Braga's at, and I'm going to put my hand up and say, Branham, why didn't you bring back the Vardois?

535
00:33:43.920 --> 00:33:44.339
I want to know.

536
00:33:44.400 --> 00:33:48.059
Was it the performance, the makeup or just the goddamn episode?

537
00:33:48.900 --> 00:33:51.000
Or was it all three?

538
00:33:51.119 --> 00:34:00.660
Yeah, it's it's really, it's so obvious what the script, you know, like what we could have done, what the concept is supposed to be.

539
00:34:00.720 --> 00:34:02.940
It's interesting.

540
00:34:03.359 --> 00:34:07.440
Did Chakotay make any impression on you in this episode?

541
00:34:07.500 --> 00:34:08.880
Was he in it?

542
00:34:08.940 --> 00:34:09.780
He's in this...

543
00:34:09.840 --> 00:34:12.239
He was just there. was just there, yeah.

544
00:34:12.420 --> 00:34:14.099
Let's him.

545
00:34:14.159 --> 00:34:17.820
I think Robert Beltran, who, you know, is an idiot, let's be honest.

546
00:34:17.880 --> 00:34:22.260
But I think he did have a point about how they were just sort of brushing him the side.

547
00:34:22.320 --> 00:34:23.519
Yeah, yeah.

548
00:34:23.579 --> 00:34:27.420
But eventually I think they're brushing him aside because he's not giving them anything either.

549
00:34:27.480 --> 00:34:31.380
Oh, I like this effect shop of it.

550
00:34:31.440 --> 00:34:32.099
I know it's not.

551
00:34:32.099 --> 00:34:33.239
The C shy isn't quite there.

552
00:34:33.300 --> 00:34:34.019
It's not very good.

553
00:34:34.079 --> 00:34:35.039
But yes, I agree.

554
00:34:35.099 --> 00:34:36.840
It's ambition, though.

555
00:34:36.900 --> 00:34:40.199
It's all of those pods, 100s of them, isn't it?

556
00:34:40.320 --> 00:34:41.099
A massive cavern.

557
00:34:41.219 --> 00:34:44.219
But there's there's some CGI. there's a map painting there.

558
00:34:44.280 --> 00:34:46.559
There's even a little bit of model work in the foreground.

559
00:34:46.619 --> 00:34:49.139
Like it's actually a kind of interesting shot.

560
00:34:49.199 --> 00:34:51.300
And it does sell that.

561
00:34:51.360 --> 00:35:00.239
So this is where we get the name dragon's teeth from, and it's Cadmus who founds the city of Thebes in Greece.

562
00:35:00.300 --> 00:35:11.519
He comes from Phoenicia and founds the Greek city of Thebes, and he kills a dragon and scatters its teeth and creates a race.

563
00:35:11.579 --> 00:35:12.599
Yeah.

564
00:35:12.659 --> 00:35:21.119
Oh, they explain it in the, it's a Greek myth about a Dragama got slain and stuff, like it takes everything specific out of it and makes it super general.

565
00:35:21.179 --> 00:35:25.619
I should have had you, Nathan, as a Greek advisor, just like that Native American advisor, you know?

566
00:35:25.739 --> 00:35:27.480
They would have looked it up.

567
00:35:27.539 --> 00:35:31.199
But, all right, so now we've got 3 Vardois in this shot.

568
00:35:31.320 --> 00:35:36.239
Um, and they all look just insane. shoot them from below.

569
00:35:36.300 --> 00:35:39.239
I mean, look, the necks are more obvious from below.

570
00:35:39.300 --> 00:35:40.980
She looks on the side.

571
00:35:41.039 --> 00:35:41.880
Maybe.

572
00:35:41.940 --> 00:35:43.199
And then you can't see the neck.

573
00:35:43.320 --> 00:35:44.940
It's so bad.

574
00:35:45.000 --> 00:35:51.119
Do you remember the previous ones that looked like, um, that looked like cobras?

575
00:35:51.539 --> 00:35:53.699
The no, were they?

576
00:35:53.760 --> 00:35:54.480
Sele?

577
00:35:54.539 --> 00:35:56.940
Do you remember the Atkins and the Sele?

578
00:35:57.000 --> 00:35:58.500
They were great.

579
00:35:58.559 --> 00:36:01.619
And why did we why did we stop doing aliens like that?

580
00:36:01.679 --> 00:36:03.659
Like, those are proper rubberheaded aliens.

581
00:36:03.719 --> 00:36:07.559
They're not just sort of, they they use water and make it glisten.

582
00:36:07.619 --> 00:36:08.519
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

583
00:36:08.579 --> 00:36:10.860
And I thought they looked really good, though, really snake-like.

584
00:36:10.920 --> 00:36:12.480
I don't know if these are snakes.

585
00:36:12.539 --> 00:36:15.059
Why did they have white people colouration?

586
00:36:15.179 --> 00:36:18.179
You know, why don't they make them green?

587
00:36:18.239 --> 00:36:21.480
You know, like, why do we have to?

588
00:36:21.539 --> 00:36:23.099
Oh, so see.

589
00:36:23.159 --> 00:36:25.500
I so I don't like Naomi Watt, man.

590
00:36:25.559 --> 00:36:27.360
I just hate children, so I really hate her.

591
00:36:27.420 --> 00:36:29.579
Well, I like Molly, but I don't like the Nagol.

592
00:36:29.639 --> 00:36:30.840
But Neelix now.

593
00:36:30.900 --> 00:36:41.039
I think even Phillips places seen so well where she goes, they were really mean about you and they said you had stupid ears and he goes, well, he goes, I do kind of have stupid ears, you know?

594
00:36:41.099 --> 00:36:42.900
And your heart just goes out to him.

595
00:36:42.960 --> 00:36:43.860
I think come six.

596
00:36:43.920 --> 00:36:45.960
They know what they're doing with Ethan Phillips.

597
00:36:46.019 --> 00:36:48.360
Well, giving him a child to interact with.

598
00:36:48.420 --> 00:36:54.000
Like, I think this scene is quite good, but I don't think this is how we should find out that the Vardwara are evil.

599
00:36:54.059 --> 00:36:55.260
Like that's ridiculous.

600
00:36:55.380 --> 00:37:07.739
Neelix and Naomi investigating. having a conversation about something that happened that we didn't see where the children were mean about Neelix, like all of the Star Trek fans were being.

601
00:37:07.800 --> 00:37:11.099
And so they're clearly evil.

602
00:37:11.159 --> 00:37:13.199
But he listens to her, doesn't he?

603
00:37:13.260 --> 00:37:14.940
He goes, yeah, well, you don't have to.

604
00:37:15.000 --> 00:37:15.539
Now go to bed.

605
00:37:15.599 --> 00:37:16.559
I read your story.

606
00:37:16.619 --> 00:37:17.400
Yeah, it's just nice.

607
00:37:17.460 --> 00:37:18.119
It's really nice.

608
00:37:18.300 --> 00:37:19.139
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

609
00:37:19.199 --> 00:37:23.820
And then I do like, oh, I don't think we see her again, do we?

610
00:37:23.880 --> 00:37:25.440
I think she gets one episode in seven.

611
00:37:25.500 --> 00:37:26.579
Right, okay.

612
00:37:26.639 --> 00:37:27.239
I think.

613
00:37:27.300 --> 00:37:30.480
They considered, you know, the kid was more interesting than the parent.

614
00:37:30.539 --> 00:37:32.219
Later.

615
00:37:32.280 --> 00:37:34.860
No, she probably had work. the actress.

616
00:37:34.920 --> 00:37:35.880
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

617
00:37:35.880 --> 00:37:36.239
You know?

618
00:37:36.300 --> 00:37:37.800
Do you know what I was thinking?

619
00:37:37.860 --> 00:37:41.579
You know, you know when Voyager got back to the alpha quadrant in endgame?

620
00:37:41.820 --> 00:37:42.000
Yeah.

621
00:37:42.059 --> 00:37:44.639
You know, they could tell all of their exciting adventures.

622
00:37:44.699 --> 00:37:49.679
You could literally have a bar wrapped with attention of all the exciting things they did.

623
00:37:49.739 --> 00:37:51.719
Imagine them telling the story of Dragon's teeth.

624
00:37:51.780 --> 00:38:02.099
We flew down into the wasteland of this radioactive city and there was these aliens in space bombing the city to pieces and this racing suspended animation.

625
00:38:02.159 --> 00:38:03.420
The Valdois came up.

626
00:38:03.480 --> 00:38:05.099
Oh, can we have a look and see what they look?

627
00:38:05.219 --> 00:38:06.840
No, no, no, you don't need to see what they look like.

628
00:38:06.900 --> 00:38:09.239
But honestly, gosh, I should have been there.

629
00:38:09.300 --> 00:38:10.019
Very alien.

630
00:38:12.300 --> 00:38:13.980
You're right.

631
00:38:14.039 --> 00:38:16.980
This is this here between, is it Gedrin and B'lana?

632
00:38:17.039 --> 00:38:26.340
This is the one scene where we get a hint just in their behaviour, talking to our people that things aren't quite as they seem.

633
00:38:26.639 --> 00:38:28.559
Is that Gedron?

634
00:38:28.619 --> 00:38:29.699
I can't tell them all apart.

635
00:38:29.760 --> 00:38:33.239
Oh, yeah, no, because he's going on, he's going on about Klingon.

636
00:38:33.300 --> 00:38:43.920
Or was it the scene with Kate earlier on where he says something about his wife not being brave at the end or something like that and she goes, that's kind of harsh.

637
00:38:43.980 --> 00:38:44.460
No, no.

638
00:38:44.519 --> 00:38:45.780
Yeah.

639
00:38:45.840 --> 00:38:48.780
Fuck is he at the time to learn all this about Klingons?

640
00:38:48.840 --> 00:38:51.000
They're trying to save their entire species.

641
00:38:51.059 --> 00:38:52.500
No, again.

642
00:38:52.559 --> 00:39:05.039
But, you know, like if they'd been working together over a period of time, like if this was a big event where they find and, you know, they accidentally revive these people and then starting, they start trying to help them.

643
00:39:06.300 --> 00:39:13.260
But like if I was, you know, trying to help the survival of my entire species, yeah.

644
00:39:13.320 --> 00:39:19.800
I wouldn't be there, you know, reading a load of Greek myths going, well, Nathan, you know, I've been reading about Greek philosophy, you know?

645
00:39:19.860 --> 00:39:22.320
No, it's, yeah, it is.

646
00:39:22.440 --> 00:39:27.719
It's a sort of economic way of suggesting there's some sort of a relationship there, but...

647
00:39:28.320 --> 00:39:31.320
So, what's you got on the pot there?

648
00:39:31.380 --> 00:39:32.519
Can you say the flames going?

649
00:39:32.579 --> 00:39:33.300
No.

650
00:39:33.360 --> 00:39:35.159
Leola root stew, do you think?

651
00:39:35.219 --> 00:39:35.760
Probably.

652
00:39:35.820 --> 00:39:37.440
I love this.

653
00:39:37.500 --> 00:39:42.960
The funny thing is, So it's it's Migel as the computer.

654
00:39:43.019 --> 00:39:46.440
You've got Neelix talking to Migel, and where do the words?

655
00:39:46.500 --> 00:39:52.619
where does the word Vardoir, meaning foolish 1st occur, and it's in L. Daxon's collected folklore.

656
00:39:52.679 --> 00:39:57.900
Uh, and the names of the individual stories are really funny.

657
00:39:57.960 --> 00:40:00.059
Like, have a look at them.

658
00:40:00.119 --> 00:40:01.500
Name the specific folk tales.

659
00:40:01.559 --> 00:40:03.900
The demon with the golden voice.

660
00:40:04.500 --> 00:40:06.420
The deadly stranger.

661
00:40:06.780 --> 00:40:09.840
The tale of the boy who lost his head.

662
00:40:11.039 --> 00:40:14.940
That's what Neelix goes, that's a bit grizzly.

663
00:40:15.000 --> 00:40:16.440
For fairy stories.

664
00:40:16.500 --> 00:40:17.460
That's right.

665
00:40:17.460 --> 00:40:19.320
The tale of the bloody hand.

666
00:40:20.159 --> 00:40:21.780
So good.

667
00:40:22.019 --> 00:40:24.840
Actually, this reminds me of investigations.

668
00:40:24.900 --> 00:40:31.440
Remember that season 2 episode where Neelix reveals Jonas via his daily chat show TV.

669
00:40:31.500 --> 00:40:32.039
Yeah that's right.

670
00:40:32.099 --> 00:40:33.900
That's right What are they thinking?

671
00:40:33.960 --> 00:40:35.400
For God's sakes.

672
00:40:35.760 --> 00:40:50.340
Yeah, see, and all of this, the Borg and the Vardwa, all of that, if it was a two-parter, there's time to explore that as well, and the consequences of how she feels about it, but instead we just get these little pin pricks, you know?

673
00:40:50.460 --> 00:40:51.119
Yeah.

674
00:40:51.179 --> 00:41:04.980
But it because it needed to be a story about them unleashing this ancient terror on this part of the galaxy and they just never, yeah, that. flappy necked aliens.

675
00:41:05.039 --> 00:41:05.940
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

676
00:41:06.000 --> 00:41:09.300
So part of the problem is the aliens just look absurd death.

677
00:41:09.360 --> 00:41:11.579
They look stupid and they don't look terrifying.

678
00:41:11.579 --> 00:41:15.960
And it's kind of like, oh, they'll be terrifying if they look like snakes and guess what?

679
00:41:15.960 --> 00:41:16.920
They aren't.

680
00:41:16.980 --> 00:41:20.400
Nathan, are we Delta Quadrant Xenophobic?

681
00:41:20.460 --> 00:41:26.760
Yeah, I just think, like, I'm just trying to think about, it's 90s Star Trek that does aliens like this.

682
00:41:26.820 --> 00:41:32.519
60 Star Trek doesn't, particularly and modern Star Trek doesn't.

683
00:41:32.579 --> 00:41:45.539
You know, there is that Vardoir in section 31, And of course, what you can do with makeup now is just vastly better and more complex and more convincing.

684
00:41:45.599 --> 00:41:48.360
And also they just decide to go for it.

685
00:41:48.420 --> 00:41:55.980
You know, so the Vardoir in section 31 looks kind of super strange and terrifying and nowhere near as stupid.

686
00:41:57.119 --> 00:42:09.780
You know, we said about how there's some effort here to tell this story visually, and I do applaud that, and I think it's especially true at the start and the end of the episode where there are prolonged action sequence.

687
00:42:09.840 --> 00:42:10.980
Oh, boy.

688
00:42:11.039 --> 00:42:17.940
There is a lot of exposition and sort of suggested word peril in the middle of the episode though, isn't it?

689
00:42:18.000 --> 00:42:19.920
And this was where I was starting to get a bit bored.

690
00:42:19.980 --> 00:42:21.179
I was like, all right, stop talking now.

691
00:42:21.239 --> 00:42:21.539
Come on.

692
00:42:21.599 --> 00:42:23.639
Because I mean, Tubo comes up with a great plan.

693
00:42:23.699 --> 00:42:29.099
Right, we're going to go up there, you're going to distract them, then we're going to take them out and then we'll all get away together.

694
00:42:29.159 --> 00:42:31.019
And it's a tactically a really good plan.

695
00:42:31.079 --> 00:42:33.119
But it is a lot of talk.

696
00:42:33.179 --> 00:42:34.679
Yeah, yeah.

697
00:42:34.739 --> 00:42:49.679
So they needed what needed to happen is that this conflict here between this guy and them needed to spill out and make her more suspicious.

698
00:42:49.739 --> 00:42:54.300
Um, you know, but this is all just talk, isn't it?

699
00:42:54.360 --> 00:42:55.559
It is...

700
00:42:55.619 --> 00:42:59.039
I've just realised, you know, they've all got different lengths of sort of stupid hair.

701
00:42:59.099 --> 00:43:01.380
Maybe that's how you're supposed to tell them apart.

702
00:43:01.440 --> 00:43:04.500
Not through the performance or the character.

703
00:43:04.619 --> 00:43:05.340
Why do they have hair?

704
00:43:05.400 --> 00:43:07.199
Like, why do they give them?

705
00:43:07.260 --> 00:43:09.000
always give them terrible hair.

706
00:43:09.119 --> 00:43:15.480
I mean, there was a scene just there where they shot Gedwin from the side and that bun was so massive.

707
00:43:15.539 --> 00:43:17.519
He looked a bit like Helen Shapiro, you know?

708
00:43:17.579 --> 00:43:20.340
I was like, what are you doing?

709
00:43:21.000 --> 00:43:22.739
Bless them.

710
00:43:22.860 --> 00:43:25.079
Anyone who had a heart anyway.

711
00:43:25.500 --> 00:43:28.019
Oh, no, that's Silla.

712
00:43:28.079 --> 00:43:28.380
Sorry.

713
00:43:29.099 --> 00:43:31.199
She had a bum, too.

714
00:43:31.260 --> 00:43:36.239
So these scenes here now where they're sort of whispering like we're going to take over Voyager now.

715
00:43:36.300 --> 00:43:39.599
Well, yeah, we did that 6 happens ago, episodes ago in Xbox.

716
00:43:39.659 --> 00:43:40.920
We have just done this.

717
00:43:41.039 --> 00:43:42.780
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

718
00:43:42.840 --> 00:43:43.139
Yeah.

719
00:43:43.199 --> 00:43:45.300
But, I don't know.

720
00:43:45.360 --> 00:43:46.019
I don't know.

721
00:43:46.079 --> 00:43:54.300
We're finding out that they're evil, that they want to, you know, rule the galaxy again or whatever.

722
00:43:54.360 --> 00:43:56.400
But the crew isn't finding that out.

723
00:43:56.460 --> 00:43:59.340
You know, Neelix is just reading folk tales in his quarters.

724
00:43:59.400 --> 00:44:01.739
If this was a soup alter.

725
00:44:01.800 --> 00:44:06.960
So maybe that could be if they'd sort of executed it better, that they were, you know, innocent.

726
00:44:07.019 --> 00:44:11.159
Um, then that could have been the twist at the end of the 1st episode, you know, that, 0 my god.

727
00:44:11.280 --> 00:44:16.139
They were a great evil race all along and now we've got to try and stop them.

728
00:44:16.199 --> 00:44:28.139
What we do get is actually quite a good scene later on where Janeway confronts Gedron and says, you said that you were traders and stuff, and then that was how you use the subspace corridors or whatever.

729
00:44:28.199 --> 00:44:29.760
And that's a scene that we don't see.

730
00:44:29.820 --> 00:44:31.440
Oh my god, look at his name.

731
00:44:31.500 --> 00:44:34.679
Nathan, why did you say labial to me?

732
00:44:34.739 --> 00:44:39.300
Because that's all like... all I can see now. every time I know.

733
00:44:39.360 --> 00:44:40.019
What they thinking?

734
00:44:40.139 --> 00:44:41.820
What the fuck are they thinking?

735
00:44:41.880 --> 00:44:46.800
It's not like I'm an expert in that in any way, but even I thought of it.

736
00:44:46.860 --> 00:44:48.179
It's awful.

737
00:44:48.300 --> 00:44:52.079
Sort of, you know, it's a Star Trek fan. sort of vervoid-esque.

738
00:44:52.139 --> 00:44:55.860
Maybe look at Google the word vervoids and do I see what I mean?

739
00:44:55.920 --> 00:44:57.900
It looks so dumb.

740
00:44:57.960 --> 00:44:59.039
It looks so dumb.

741
00:44:59.099 --> 00:45:04.920
But the Sele looked like Cobras, the one in Section 31 looks pretty cool.

742
00:45:05.280 --> 00:45:08.699
But they should have looked more terrifying.

743
00:45:08.760 --> 00:45:18.059
They needed to look scary, and we have pity on them, and because we're enlightened 24th century people, we don't judge by appearances.

744
00:45:18.059 --> 00:45:23.039
You want somebody like Marco Lamo in that role as well, with huge presidents.

745
00:45:23.099 --> 00:45:24.539
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

746
00:45:25.199 --> 00:45:29.099
Oh, 7 of nine, would you please come and meet me in the cargo bay?

747
00:45:29.159 --> 00:45:32.219
I need to discuss, we need to look at another database.

748
00:45:32.280 --> 00:45:34.320
They may be evil. you know.

749
00:45:37.559 --> 00:45:39.960
Look how unimpressed she looks.

750
00:45:40.019 --> 00:45:43.679
I've been looking at a load of folk tales from my planet and she goes, what?

751
00:45:43.739 --> 00:45:45.659
Is that your research?

752
00:45:45.719 --> 00:45:46.199
Is that it?

753
00:45:46.260 --> 00:45:46.920
Fairy stories?

754
00:45:47.400 --> 00:45:50.820
But this, like, this is terrifying.

755
00:45:50.880 --> 00:45:56.159
And if we'd found out about it some other way than just Neelix delivering...

756
00:45:56.219 --> 00:45:58.139
We'd see it now, wouldn't we?

757
00:45:58.380 --> 00:46:00.300
Well, I think you would.

758
00:46:00.360 --> 00:46:06.239
You know, it would be like, what was that episode of Discovery will watch with the kid on the planet.

759
00:46:06.300 --> 00:46:11.219
And then suddenly, the thing was in orbit and the whole thing was destroyed, you know?

760
00:46:11.280 --> 00:46:13.320
Yeah, yeah, yeah, sort of thing.

761
00:46:13.380 --> 00:46:16.380
Well, maybe if that's the cold open.

762
00:46:16.440 --> 00:46:35.579
You know, like if the cold open is, the, the, whatever the terray, you know, because a, a federation, like an alliance of people come together, the Vadwa actually describe this to Janeway, an alliance of people come together and then bombard their planet and kill them all and they have to withdraw.

763
00:46:35.639 --> 00:46:51.480
If we had seen, you know, a huge event where they just appear out of nowhere terrifyingly and start destroying the planet and we have people making the decision to react to them or something because we never see that because we don't have a sense of what they do.

764
00:46:51.539 --> 00:46:53.039
What did the Videans do?

765
00:46:53.099 --> 00:46:54.360
What did the Melon do?

766
00:46:54.420 --> 00:46:55.920
What do the hirogen do?

767
00:46:55.980 --> 00:46:57.480
What do the Kazon do?

768
00:46:57.539 --> 00:46:58.260
We know.

769
00:46:58.320 --> 00:47:02.699
They have a really strong central idea and we know how they behave.

770
00:47:02.760 --> 00:47:04.920
We don't know what threat these people pose.

771
00:47:04.980 --> 00:47:08.039
It's what I was talking about last week with the Dominion, wasn't it?

772
00:47:08.099 --> 00:47:11.519
was they did all those wonderful setup episodes where you saw the concert.

773
00:47:11.579 --> 00:47:12.659
Remember the Quickening planet?

774
00:47:12.719 --> 00:47:15.840
You saw the consequences of what they do even before we met them.

775
00:47:16.619 --> 00:47:19.679
Yeah, this it's, oh my god.

776
00:47:19.739 --> 00:47:21.960
He goes, you wanted to see me, captain.

777
00:47:22.019 --> 00:47:26.099
She goes, yes, we're doing an exhibition of gynaecological art.

778
00:47:26.159 --> 00:47:28.440
Can we take a cast of your neck, please?

779
00:47:28.500 --> 00:47:38.099
So yeah, so yeah, what I think, what I think he's good is where she says no, the story you told me is not true.

780
00:47:38.159 --> 00:47:45.719
The Vardwa used the corridors to attack other worlds and then those worlds banded together and they did the right thing.

781
00:47:45.780 --> 00:47:50.760
They put an end to the threat that you caused, and he says, actually, they're both true.

782
00:47:50.820 --> 00:47:52.800
Um, and I liked that.

783
00:47:52.860 --> 00:47:54.659
I thought that that was good, you know.

784
00:47:54.719 --> 00:47:58.619
But again, like we have done this, Nathan, the tribe.

785
00:47:58.679 --> 00:47:59.940
We have done this before.

786
00:48:00.119 --> 00:48:01.380
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

787
00:48:01.440 --> 00:48:01.920
Yeah.

788
00:48:02.039 --> 00:48:07.320
And we've had this scene where she looks disappointed that she's been cold.

789
00:48:07.380 --> 00:48:12.000
I mean, you know, like it's Voyager and it's always going to do similar things.

790
00:48:12.059 --> 00:48:13.019
Do you know what I mean?

791
00:48:13.079 --> 00:48:15.420
This is the sort of thing that Voyager does.

792
00:48:15.480 --> 00:48:17.639
The question is, does it do it well?

793
00:48:17.639 --> 00:48:21.059
And is the combination of things new and interesting?

794
00:48:21.119 --> 00:48:25.500
And I think that there was enough here for the potential for it to be that.

795
00:48:25.559 --> 00:48:32.940
You know, like having them work with a group of people and then discover that they're evil, that's a thing that happens all the time, I think.

796
00:48:33.000 --> 00:48:37.739
But if there'd been a particular kind of interesting Vardois twist to it, it would have been good.

797
00:48:37.800 --> 00:48:39.900
But I do like as well.

798
00:48:39.960 --> 00:48:48.900
I like the idea of this great ancient evil race, but now they're pathetic, out of date and desperate.

799
00:48:48.960 --> 00:48:52.139
That's a great idea that they could have run with.

800
00:48:52.199 --> 00:48:56.460
Except that's never going to be our recurring villain for the rest of the season then.

801
00:48:56.519 --> 00:48:57.420
Do you know what I mean?

802
00:48:57.480 --> 00:48:58.380
Because who gives a shit?

803
00:48:58.440 --> 00:48:59.159
They're hopeless.

804
00:48:59.219 --> 00:49:12.300
But what if we'd unleashed them and they had access to their space corridors or whatever and they were determined to take over the this part of the galaxy again?

805
00:49:12.360 --> 00:49:17.760
I hate to keep doing this, but isn't that just species 8472 and fluidic space?

806
00:49:18.420 --> 00:49:22.920
Oh, well, the variations on a theme, isn't it?

807
00:49:22.980 --> 00:49:28.619
Sure, but it's Star Trek, you know, isn't it all just people in spaceships talking to one another?

808
00:49:29.099 --> 00:49:31.739
when we get something like tapestry.

809
00:49:31.800 --> 00:49:33.300
We're going, 0 my god, thank you.

810
00:49:33.360 --> 00:49:34.679
Something different.

811
00:49:34.739 --> 00:49:35.519
Yeah.

812
00:49:35.579 --> 00:49:36.420
Yeah.

813
00:49:36.480 --> 00:49:38.460
But I mean, this is a thing that Voyager does.

814
00:49:38.519 --> 00:49:44.639
He introduces a new set of aliens because we're travelling a distance, you know, and we have to meet new groups of people.

815
00:49:44.639 --> 00:49:48.239
And this was potentially interesting, I think.

816
00:49:48.300 --> 00:49:55.260
Do you know what made me how was when at the end, and it's so quick, I'll say it now.

817
00:49:55.320 --> 00:49:58.679
Voyager just goes the fuck out of there and lose them all to fight.

818
00:49:58.739 --> 00:50:00.599
Yeah, see you later, going.

819
00:50:00.659 --> 00:50:01.260
Fine.

820
00:50:01.320 --> 00:50:03.360
This is your war, not us.

821
00:50:03.420 --> 00:50:07.019
But I really like this where she just says you're going to do this.

822
00:50:07.079 --> 00:50:09.000
You know, we're not going to cooperate with you.

823
00:50:09.119 --> 00:50:13.380
Yes, okay, don't give us access to the space corridors.

824
00:50:13.440 --> 00:50:15.119
We'll just leave. you know what I mean?

825
00:50:15.179 --> 00:50:16.500
Like that's not going to work on us.

826
00:50:16.619 --> 00:50:20.460
He should say, you know, captain, you're not as stupid as you look.

827
00:50:20.519 --> 00:50:24.360
But I should go, well, you're definitely as stupid as you look.

828
00:50:24.420 --> 00:50:26.039
You look stupider than you look.

829
00:50:26.099 --> 00:50:28.559
She's great in this scene.

830
00:50:28.739 --> 00:50:30.840
I think she's good in this episode.

831
00:50:30.900 --> 00:50:33.000
It's business, Janeway, you know?

832
00:50:33.059 --> 00:50:33.420
Yeah.

833
00:50:33.420 --> 00:50:34.019
Yep.

834
00:50:34.320 --> 00:50:37.559
She should have tied her hair up just for this one episode.

835
00:50:37.619 --> 00:50:41.639
Yeah, she's got her American lady hair in this season, which...

836
00:50:41.699 --> 00:50:43.860
I think it does get in the disarray, though, during the climax.

837
00:50:43.920 --> 00:50:45.300
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

838
00:50:45.360 --> 00:50:47.400
You always know we're in trouble.

839
00:50:48.840 --> 00:50:50.699
Yeah, that's right.

840
00:50:50.699 --> 00:50:51.719
80%.

841
00:50:56.400 --> 00:50:59.400
It's failing in structural integrity.

842
00:50:59.460 --> 00:51:00.780
That's right.

843
00:51:01.320 --> 00:51:03.960
Oh, Tom Paris is in this scene.

844
00:51:04.019 --> 00:51:05.280
Look, where's he been all episode?

845
00:51:05.340 --> 00:51:06.300
Really?

846
00:51:06.360 --> 00:51:08.519
Yeah, he's here at the front, though.

847
00:51:08.579 --> 00:51:09.300
He just got one shot.

848
00:51:09.360 --> 00:51:10.320
He's not in focus.

849
00:51:10.380 --> 00:51:11.219
Oh no, wait, he is.

850
00:51:11.280 --> 00:51:14.699
I think Robert Duncan McNeil went, do I have to come in for this?

851
00:51:15.659 --> 00:51:18.420
I say one thing about where we're going.

852
00:51:18.480 --> 00:51:19.019
That's it.

853
00:51:19.079 --> 00:51:26.460
Oh, Harry Kim's here too. it's all contractual In fact, it's all your favourites, this episode.

854
00:51:26.519 --> 00:51:27.659
Neelix 7.

855
00:51:27.719 --> 00:51:30.360
We had a scene with a doctor and Janeway.

856
00:51:30.420 --> 00:51:33.179
And some 2 varket in it as well.

857
00:51:33.900 --> 00:51:45.000
Again, too, I think that had this been a two-parter with the budget of 2 episodes, a lot of this narration we would have seen happening.

858
00:51:45.059 --> 00:51:47.280
And I think that would have been good.

859
00:51:47.940 --> 00:51:51.000
Ships zooming down into the atmosphere.

860
00:51:51.059 --> 00:51:56.639
Oh, yeah, when we do see them, like, and that city, the ruined city looks really great.

861
00:51:56.699 --> 00:52:06.000
It's just a short of a few seconds, but there's a lot more kind of stuff which has just told us, told to us in a series of messenger speeches where we don't see it.

862
00:52:06.059 --> 00:52:10.320
Do you know what's so funny about the special effects is it's foundation imaging, right?

863
00:52:10.380 --> 00:52:12.119
That did Babylon 5.

864
00:52:12.360 --> 00:52:19.500
But they ditched Babylon 5 during the run and moved to Star Trek because they offered them like 3 times the budget.

865
00:52:19.619 --> 00:52:21.179
Great.

866
00:52:21.239 --> 00:52:22.800
It really looks great.

867
00:52:22.860 --> 00:52:28.679
I think they've they've learned a lot of lessons from those space battles from late DS9, though.

868
00:52:28.739 --> 00:52:34.079
But it's nice to see space battles that aren't in space because space is cheap, cheaper to realise.

869
00:52:34.139 --> 00:52:34.619
There you go.

870
00:52:34.679 --> 00:52:39.420
We just had Kate lose structural integrity in effect.

871
00:52:42.480 --> 00:52:44.280
Has anyone seen my hair grip?

872
00:52:44.340 --> 00:52:45.179
No, okay.

873
00:52:45.239 --> 00:52:54.059
Fire Oh boy, these these bloody aliens.

874
00:52:55.019 --> 00:52:59.699
Wow, look, we're just screaming through the atmosphere now into space.

875
00:52:59.760 --> 00:53:01.559
The ships are in pursuit.

876
00:53:01.619 --> 00:53:03.960
Yeah, yeah, it's quite exciting, isn't it?

877
00:53:04.019 --> 00:53:05.219
No, no, it is pretty good.

878
00:53:05.280 --> 00:53:06.000
It is pretty good.

879
00:53:06.059 --> 00:53:15.360
It does take them quite a while to get a long distance away, but most of this, just for budgetary reasons, has to be just narrated, and you do think that if it's a two-parter.

880
00:53:15.360 --> 00:53:16.380
Two aliens again.

881
00:53:16.440 --> 00:53:18.000
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

882
00:53:18.059 --> 00:53:19.440
They're bad.

883
00:53:19.500 --> 00:53:22.980
I mean, I said that Paul Gedron couldn't demo.

884
00:53:23.039 --> 00:53:24.480
How is he supposed to?

885
00:53:24.599 --> 00:53:26.039
Well, he doesn't need to emote, though.

886
00:53:26.099 --> 00:53:31.920
He's that usual intransigent Voyager alien, you know, like, um, Yeah.

887
00:53:32.880 --> 00:53:37.679
Captain, I should have warned you, you know, I did warn you that these aliens were evil.

888
00:53:37.739 --> 00:53:38.880
Look at the state of your hair.

889
00:53:42.539 --> 00:53:46.739
I think this is the point where she goes, oh, let's get out of here.

890
00:53:46.800 --> 00:53:49.679
Yeah, well, just leave them to it.

891
00:53:49.739 --> 00:53:51.659
She can't see the cure.

892
00:53:51.719 --> 00:53:53.699
Like, Kate can't see that you're a.

893
00:53:53.760 --> 00:53:56.579
I mean, Janeway can, but Kate Mulgrew can't.

894
00:53:56.639 --> 00:54:01.019
And she is still assiduously trying to avoid looking at Gedron.

895
00:54:02.099 --> 00:54:06.300
You've got sort of bran and reading in the lines for her.

896
00:54:06.360 --> 00:54:07.500
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right.

897
00:54:07.559 --> 00:54:09.239
It'll be visually impressive.

898
00:54:09.300 --> 00:54:10.079
No, it's Rick.

899
00:54:10.139 --> 00:54:11.760
Rick reading in the life.

900
00:54:15.420 --> 00:54:19.739
Joe Mo's like, get me away from these ridiculous aliens now.

901
00:54:19.800 --> 00:54:20.460
Yeah.

902
00:54:20.460 --> 00:54:22.380
See, it's a great move, though.

903
00:54:22.440 --> 00:54:26.579
I mean, it's not often that Voyager just ducks out of a fire and goes.

904
00:54:26.639 --> 00:54:27.539
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

905
00:54:27.599 --> 00:54:32.699
I mean, I kind of like, I sort of like this stuff with the with the array.

906
00:54:32.760 --> 00:54:33.420
Do you know what I mean?

907
00:54:33.480 --> 00:54:36.360
Like there's that the, we do see a vision of it later.

908
00:54:36.420 --> 00:54:39.420
There's the satellite that helps them do the targeting.

909
00:54:39.480 --> 00:54:45.239
You know, they take control of an old Vardoir satellite that's still working and that helps them target the terrain.

910
00:54:45.300 --> 00:54:50.340
Like, I think all of that's really clear and that's a thing and, you know, like it's comprehensible.

911
00:54:50.400 --> 00:54:51.900
And we don't see it.

912
00:54:51.960 --> 00:54:57.360
Trouble, we keep coming back to these cramped cave sets is I can feel the budget strain in then.

913
00:54:57.420 --> 00:54:59.820
It's like, yeah, you've spent all the money on that.

914
00:54:59.940 --> 00:55:02.639
Do you remember workforce in series 7?

915
00:55:02.760 --> 00:55:15.239
They actually build exterior sets and then Matt in CGI as well. and they managed to do battles in space hand to hand down on the planet and it all it all comes together really well.

916
00:55:15.360 --> 00:55:16.679
That's next year, is it?

917
00:55:16.739 --> 00:55:18.599
Not quite there yet, are we?

918
00:55:18.659 --> 00:55:20.099
Is that next year?

919
00:55:20.159 --> 00:55:21.480
That's next year, yeah.

920
00:55:21.539 --> 00:55:22.739
That's a big 2 parcel, though.

921
00:55:22.800 --> 00:55:24.840
So they've got 22 episodes worth of budget.

922
00:55:24.900 --> 00:55:31.380
Well, I did just think 2 parters tend to seem epic in Star Trek, you know, especially in Voyager.

923
00:55:31.440 --> 00:55:32.280
I mean, I'll give them that.

924
00:55:32.340 --> 00:55:36.719
It's, you know, like we had things to say about the killing game, but it looked great.

925
00:55:36.780 --> 00:55:39.420
I think we had good things to say about...

926
00:55:39.539 --> 00:55:41.880
Do remember we had that great shot of the holodeck?

927
00:55:41.940 --> 00:55:43.019
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

928
00:55:43.019 --> 00:55:44.099
The whole burst open.

929
00:55:44.159 --> 00:55:44.940
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

930
00:55:45.000 --> 00:55:46.679
In Berlin, you know?

931
00:55:46.739 --> 00:55:47.820
Yeah, yeah.

932
00:55:48.599 --> 00:55:56.519
Oh, yeah, the trouble is here is beyond the sort of the holes in the budget is that we just don't care about the Vardwire, do we?

933
00:55:56.579 --> 00:55:58.380
We certainly don't care about the terrain.

934
00:55:58.440 --> 00:56:02.699
So it is a bit of a punch the air moment when they're like, see ya.

935
00:56:02.760 --> 00:56:03.420
Bye.

936
00:56:03.480 --> 00:56:05.579
Yeah, see you in section 31.

937
00:56:05.699 --> 00:56:06.719
We're all thinking.

938
00:56:06.780 --> 00:56:18.239
But I, you know, they put in the tag scene because we're doing the, you know, the end of conspiracy again, you know, my God, until the next time.

939
00:56:18.300 --> 00:56:23.880
But I would have liked the last shot to have been Voyager just...

940
00:56:25.139 --> 00:56:28.679
Come in and go out on an effect shop.

941
00:56:28.739 --> 00:56:29.699
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

942
00:56:29.820 --> 00:56:30.179
Yeah.

943
00:56:31.800 --> 00:56:34.619
Oh, Harry's got a suggestion now.

944
00:56:34.679 --> 00:56:35.639
Or at least he's doing something.

945
00:56:35.699 --> 00:56:36.719
Damned if we do.

946
00:56:36.780 --> 00:56:38.639
Dad would really don't, says Janeway.

947
00:56:38.699 --> 00:56:44.519
Yeah, so we're going to suck up some of the radioactive atmosphere and use that to fuel the ship.

948
00:56:44.579 --> 00:56:48.900
God, great billowing explosions in the city. girders falling everywhere.

949
00:56:48.960 --> 00:56:50.219
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

950
00:56:50.280 --> 00:56:50.699
Yeah.

951
00:56:50.760 --> 00:56:52.260
Like I think that looks really good.

952
00:56:52.320 --> 00:56:55.139
Oh, it's a shitty, cheaper girder.

953
00:56:55.199 --> 00:56:56.579
They're in the set.

954
00:57:00.239 --> 00:57:02.280
Three, two, one.

955
00:57:02.340 --> 00:57:03.000
Get out of the way.

956
00:57:03.059 --> 00:57:03.780
It's coming down.

957
00:57:03.840 --> 00:57:09.780
Do you remember that Gemadar ship that exploded in slow motion and then the girder landed on Dax?

958
00:57:09.840 --> 00:57:17.280
That was pretty good. exciting staff. rerouting plasma to the power conduits.

959
00:57:17.340 --> 00:57:18.360
I think we may be out of here soon.

960
00:57:18.480 --> 00:57:20.340
Yeah, yeah, I think we might.

961
00:57:20.400 --> 00:57:22.139
Once you release the manifold.

962
00:57:22.260 --> 00:57:23.639
Take us up.

963
00:57:23.699 --> 00:57:24.719
Yeah, we go.

964
00:57:24.780 --> 00:57:25.800
Look, right through the atmosphere.

965
00:57:26.400 --> 00:57:31.320
Yeah, but and they only need to get up a little way and then they can go to warp.

966
00:57:31.380 --> 00:57:31.800
Look at that.

967
00:57:31.860 --> 00:57:36.179
Well, it looked a bit like an arrowhead then, sort of tearing through that cloud.

968
00:57:36.179 --> 00:57:37.679
Instead of like a trowel.

969
00:57:37.800 --> 00:57:40.199
Ah, toilet bowl, I think usually.

970
00:57:40.260 --> 00:57:41.760
At the wrong angle.

971
00:57:42.480 --> 00:57:44.340
It looks like a trailer.

972
00:57:44.340 --> 00:57:45.840
Take a haulier bowl later, all right?

973
00:57:45.900 --> 00:57:48.360
Imagine a few windows on the top.

974
00:57:50.940 --> 00:57:52.980
What does she say?

975
00:57:53.039 --> 00:57:54.900
Get us the hell out of here.

976
00:57:54.960 --> 00:57:56.639
There you go.

977
00:57:58.380 --> 00:58:00.480
And then look at this.

978
00:58:00.539 --> 00:58:03.659
That is a wonderful shot of the 2 fleets fighting each other.

979
00:58:03.840 --> 00:58:06.659
Yeah, yeah, yeah. and that's right.

980
00:58:06.780 --> 00:58:07.980
That's there after.

981
00:58:08.039 --> 00:58:09.900
It looks amazing, doesn't it?

982
00:58:09.960 --> 00:58:11.639
And that's their after Voyager goes.

983
00:58:12.599 --> 00:58:15.420
Oh, accept each other.

984
00:58:15.480 --> 00:58:17.340
Then we spoil it with a scene.

985
00:58:17.639 --> 00:58:19.500
At the end.

986
00:58:19.559 --> 00:58:20.280
What does 7 say?

987
00:58:20.340 --> 00:58:21.179
Oh, dear.

988
00:58:21.239 --> 00:58:22.920
This was all my fault for waking him up.

989
00:58:22.980 --> 00:58:32.940
Yeah, but you see, again, if the Vardois had been effective threat that they'd unleashed upon the galaxy, and it sort of is, do you know what I mean?

990
00:58:33.000 --> 00:58:35.340
They've established themselves in the corridors.

991
00:58:35.400 --> 00:58:46.679
So now, you know, we could, like, what's the next episode with the Vardoir, if we continue with them, they're attacking a colony, like we're making 1st contact.

992
00:58:46.739 --> 00:58:53.099
We're on a planet and suddenly the Vardwa just appear in the sky and start shooting the place up or something.

993
00:58:53.159 --> 00:58:58.380
I mean, even if you don't want the barbwire back because they look like idiotic fannies.

994
00:58:58.440 --> 00:59:07.380
Do an episode in series 7 where there's a consequence of this, that you go to a planet that's been destroyed by the Valdbar, you know, because they unleashed them.

995
00:59:07.440 --> 00:59:09.239
There's dramatic potential in that.

996
00:59:09.300 --> 00:59:10.380
Yeah, yeah.

997
00:59:10.440 --> 00:59:11.760
Also hope and fear.

998
00:59:15.420 --> 00:59:17.880
They've done it all already.

999
00:59:17.940 --> 00:59:20.519
This premise is exhausted.

1000
00:59:22.619 --> 00:59:27.420
Oh, Jerry, that costume is so tight on her, isn't it?

1001
00:59:27.480 --> 00:59:29.519
It's Spankly, too.

1002
00:59:29.579 --> 00:59:30.900
It's really sparkly.

1003
00:59:30.960 --> 00:59:32.519
But yes, it's...

1004
00:59:32.579 --> 00:59:37.800
But like, do you remember how they accentuated her her form in that Picard episode in a very elegant way?

1005
00:59:37.860 --> 00:59:39.239
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1006
00:59:39.300 --> 00:59:39.539
Yeah.

1007
00:59:39.599 --> 00:59:42.239
Yeah, rather than he is Jerry.

1008
00:59:42.239 --> 00:59:44.159
Now she's just a silhouette of a woman.

1009
00:59:44.219 --> 00:59:45.239
Yeah, yeah, that's right.

1010
00:59:45.900 --> 00:59:49.500
To be fair, it was the best thing about that last scene, though.

1011
00:59:49.559 --> 00:59:56.340
Well, yeah, it was just another. there's just one thing I don't understand saying. setting up the hardware.

1012
00:59:56.400 --> 01:00:01.139
You don't do a tax scene of they'll be back if they're never back.

1013
01:00:01.199 --> 01:00:02.219
They're not coming back.

1014
01:00:02.280 --> 01:00:02.820
Yeah.

1015
01:00:02.940 --> 01:00:05.219
Like, I assumed there were plans.

1016
01:00:05.280 --> 01:00:07.920
Otherwise, why didn't you remove that scene?

1017
01:00:08.039 --> 01:00:11.039
Get better at this stuff. 120 fucking episodes.

1018
01:00:11.099 --> 01:00:11.820
Get better at this.

1019
01:00:11.880 --> 01:00:25.320
Well, I mean, no one intends to produce a duff episode, and I think, you know, she must have seen that this didn't work, and the makeup looked ridiculous, and they decided not to bring them back.

1020
01:00:25.440 --> 01:00:30.000
But if they're writing this, it must have occurred to them.

1021
01:00:30.059 --> 01:00:41.519
They must have had some idea of what they wanted to do with the Vardwir in the next episode, just like they did with the hirogens in hunter's prey and then the killing game, part one and two.

1022
01:00:41.579 --> 01:00:43.199
They must have had some idea.

1023
01:00:43.440 --> 01:00:47.460
We've been all over the place in season six.

1024
01:00:47.579 --> 01:00:49.199
We've done quite a lot of series 6 now.

1025
01:00:49.320 --> 01:00:54.539
We did Barge of the Dead, which we liked and the Muse, which we liked.

1026
01:00:55.139 --> 01:00:55.800
Just Muse.

1027
01:00:55.860 --> 01:00:57.960
Sorry, I get those 2 mixed up all the time.

1028
01:00:58.019 --> 01:00:58.619
Just news.

1029
01:00:58.679 --> 01:00:58.860
Yeah.

1030
01:00:59.159 --> 01:01:02.940
We've done collective that we found very boring.

1031
01:01:03.000 --> 01:01:06.059
This is just sort of mid, isn't it?

1032
01:01:06.119 --> 01:01:09.960
Horton of Deck 12, which is like, I can't really get...

1033
01:01:10.019 --> 01:01:14.159
I can't get a handle on this season, whether it's actually any good or not.

1034
01:01:14.699 --> 01:01:21.239
Yeah, it just seems to be Voyager doing sort of Voyager things.

1035
01:01:21.300 --> 01:01:22.139
Yeah, yeah.

1036
01:01:22.199 --> 01:01:23.460
Yeah, yeah.

1037
01:01:23.519 --> 01:01:30.599
Which we like, you know, like, like I said, I thought that the beginning and the end of this episode were really good.

1038
01:01:30.659 --> 01:01:32.159
I thought the action worked really well.

1039
01:01:32.219 --> 01:01:40.260
There were some great visuals, but the central problem is that the Vardois looks stupid and they aren't really anything.

1040
01:01:40.320 --> 01:01:42.480
There's a strong idea.

1041
01:01:42.539 --> 01:01:48.599
I think that they could have run with but decided not to or for some reason.

1042
01:01:48.719 --> 01:01:51.119
And so they end up being a bit nothing.

1043
01:01:51.179 --> 01:01:57.420
And I think it's a premise that can't really land in just 42 minutes as well.

1044
01:01:57.480 --> 01:02:01.019
And so it ends up all just being a bit nothing.

1045
01:02:01.079 --> 01:02:05.639
You know, and I always say this when we go to sex because it's the rarest of things.

1046
01:02:05.699 --> 01:02:11.280
It's the one time where there's a single Star Trek show on the air, okay?

1047
01:02:11.340 --> 01:02:16.199
And Voyager was always considered like top tier and DSNR and the underdog.

1048
01:02:16.260 --> 01:02:25.500
But I think people knew what was being produced in those later years of DS9 was of a much superior quality of whatever voyager was sort of floundering doing.

1049
01:02:25.559 --> 01:02:27.360
So this was their chance.

1050
01:02:27.420 --> 01:02:31.139
A step out of the shadow, you know, and truly make their mark.

1051
01:02:31.199 --> 01:02:33.539
And I don't think that they did.

1052
01:02:33.599 --> 01:02:49.440
And I think as we explore 7 as well, they're like killing time seasons, like we've got 2 more seasons of this to churn out, and we'll do some that's really good, and we'll do some that's, well, a lot that's very mid, and we'll put out the old dog as well.

1053
01:02:56.039 --> 01:03:02.159
Well, it's the end of the episode, and it's time for us to find out where we're going next.

1054
01:03:02.460 --> 01:03:04.079
This was my choice.

1055
01:03:04.139 --> 01:03:06.360
Mission accomplished, I have to say.

1056
01:03:06.420 --> 01:03:14.159
So it's your turn to take us somewhere else, Joe. So what series have you chosen on the randomiser?

1057
01:03:14.219 --> 01:03:16.739
The whole franchise, as usual.

1058
01:03:16.800 --> 01:03:19.559
I just love jumping about the place, you know.

1059
01:03:19.619 --> 01:03:20.159
Excellent.

1060
01:03:20.219 --> 01:03:25.800
Although this time I'm not choosing the 1st one, wherever he is, because we've done that a bit too much lately, you know.

1061
01:03:25.860 --> 01:03:26.940
All right, fair enough.

1062
01:03:27.000 --> 01:03:30.119
People are used to us being a bit more indecisive than this.

1063
01:03:30.599 --> 01:03:32.639
Okay, here we go.

1064
01:03:32.699 --> 01:03:34.559
Oh, oh no, thank God.

1065
01:03:34.619 --> 01:03:38.519
Your random Star Trek, the next generation episode is season one.

1066
01:03:38.699 --> 01:03:41.820
Episode 11, Haven.

1067
01:03:41.880 --> 01:03:43.559
We can't do more Mrs. Troy.

1068
01:03:43.619 --> 01:03:46.440
Yeah, we've we've done quite a bit of her lately.

1069
01:03:46.559 --> 01:03:49.079
We've got a spacer out, you know?

1070
01:03:49.139 --> 01:03:52.019
Yeah, exactly Let's see what's next then.

1071
01:03:52.079 --> 01:03:53.699
Oh, I think we've done this one already.

1072
01:03:53.760 --> 01:03:57.719
Your random lower decks episode is Cupid's errant arrow.

1073
01:03:57.780 --> 01:03:58.139
Yes.

1074
01:03:58.199 --> 01:04:01.380
Episode 40. anyone wants to go and listen to that one.

1075
01:04:02.039 --> 01:04:04.380
It was great fun, wasn't it?

1076
01:04:04.440 --> 01:04:05.699
It was wonderful.

1077
01:04:06.000 --> 01:04:07.440
Okay.

1078
01:04:08.039 --> 01:04:09.659
Okay.

1079
01:04:09.719 --> 01:04:13.079
Oh, no, we can't do another DS9.

1080
01:04:13.320 --> 01:04:19.260
Although, it is the one I refer to quite a bit, and you say it. stupid.

1081
01:04:19.320 --> 01:04:23.280
Your random Star Trek, Doosebace 9 episode. season three, episode 14.

1082
01:04:23.460 --> 01:04:26.519
Heart of Stone. is the one we're here.

1083
01:04:26.760 --> 01:04:30.539
The Great Crystal. my goodness.

1084
01:04:30.599 --> 01:04:33.119
No, we'll save that for another day.

1085
01:04:33.420 --> 01:04:36.239
Oh, no, I'm not doing that one.

1086
01:04:36.300 --> 01:04:37.559
It's Voyager's tattoo.

1087
01:04:37.619 --> 01:04:39.659
I'm sorry No, no, that's terrible.

1088
01:04:39.719 --> 01:04:40.559
Too offensive.

1089
01:04:40.619 --> 01:04:41.400
Okay.

1090
01:04:41.519 --> 01:04:49.980
Uh, oh, your random Star Trek Enterprise episode is season two, episode 21 The breach.

1091
01:04:51.840 --> 01:04:54.119
No idea, either.

1092
01:04:54.179 --> 01:04:55.860
Oh no, it sounds terrible.

1093
01:04:55.920 --> 01:04:56.880
Come on let's not do that.

1094
01:04:56.940 --> 01:04:59.159
Okay, one more, one more.

1095
01:04:59.219 --> 01:05:00.179
Oh, yes.

1096
01:05:01.260 --> 01:05:03.420
Oh no, what is it?

1097
01:05:03.480 --> 01:05:04.139
Is it?

1098
01:05:05.280 --> 01:05:09.420
No, this is the one and I'm gonna sing you a song.

1099
01:05:09.480 --> 01:05:10.860
Strange New World.

1100
01:05:10.920 --> 01:05:14.340
Season two, episode nine, subspace Rhapsody.

1101
01:05:14.400 --> 01:05:15.360
Oh my god.

1102
01:05:15.420 --> 01:05:18.780
Do you know Straxy World starts again next week?

1103
01:05:18.840 --> 01:05:22.500
So 2 episodes of series 3 will drop.

1104
01:05:22.619 --> 01:05:23.460
I've never seen it.

1105
01:05:23.519 --> 01:05:24.719
I've never seen this.

1106
01:05:24.780 --> 01:05:25.800
Oh, you've never seen?

1107
01:05:25.920 --> 01:05:29.699
I've only seen the bit with a Klingons doing their boy band thing.

1108
01:05:29.760 --> 01:05:30.480
I was like, no.

1109
01:05:30.539 --> 01:05:32.460
I don't think that's going to be for me, thank you.

1110
01:05:32.519 --> 01:05:37.679
You know, it's the guy who plays Hammer is the is one of the Klingon boy band.

1111
01:05:37.739 --> 01:05:39.659
Oh, boy.

1112
01:05:39.840 --> 01:05:41.340
I mean, a Star Trek musical.

1113
01:05:41.400 --> 01:05:42.900
Is it loads of songs in it?

1114
01:05:42.960 --> 01:05:44.579
Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1115
01:05:44.639 --> 01:05:46.320
Oh, sounds great.

1116
01:05:46.380 --> 01:05:47.159
Wow.

1117
01:05:47.219 --> 01:05:49.440
I think we have to do it.

1118
01:05:49.500 --> 01:05:50.760
We have to do it.

1119
01:05:50.820 --> 01:05:53.519
That's going to be a huge, that going to be a huge week.

1120
01:05:53.579 --> 01:05:59.519
I was actually toying with the idea of watching all of series 2 because it's just 10 episodes.

1121
01:05:59.579 --> 01:06:03.840
I've watched those old scientists over and over again.

1122
01:06:03.900 --> 01:06:13.019
And I've seen the Klingon one a couple of times, but oh, yeah, it's really good. seen any of two, you know?

1123
01:06:13.079 --> 01:06:18.420
So this would be, but this is the one that intrigues both terrifies me the most.

1124
01:06:18.539 --> 01:06:34.199
The thing is, too, that a little bit like the Buffy musical, it's, it's not the Buffy musical, nothing is, but it's, um, it's about what's happening with all of the characters at this point.

1125
01:06:34.260 --> 01:06:48.179
It's that the usual thing that Star Trek, Strange New Worlds does, which is it serialises the character arcs, but the individual episodes tend to be, it's very well charged.

1126
01:06:48.239 --> 01:06:54.360
And so all of those relationships come to a head in that episode before we have the finale.

1127
01:06:54.420 --> 01:06:57.179
The best trek first.

1128
01:06:57.179 --> 01:06:58.260
Plot second.

1129
01:06:58.320 --> 01:07:00.119
Although it needs to be a good plot as well.

1130
01:07:00.179 --> 01:07:09.239
All right, I'll do it, but only if I watch it a couple of times and listen to the soundtrack, I can sing some of the songs for the untitled Star Trek Project audience.

1131
01:07:09.300 --> 01:07:10.260
All right.

1132
01:07:10.320 --> 01:07:12.420
I'll stand by to edit.

1133
01:07:21.599 --> 01:07:26.099
You've been listening to entitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford and Nathan Bottomley.

1134
01:07:26.099 --> 01:07:33.000
We're online at untitled Star Trek Project.com, where you can find subscription links and links to our social media accounts.

1135
01:07:33.059 --> 01:07:38.820
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Sisrin, and the theme was composed by Cameron Lamb.

1136
01:07:38.940 --> 01:07:44.579
This episode was recorded on the 9th of July 2025 and released on the 11th of July.

1137
01:07:44.639 --> 01:07:50.460
We'll see you next time for Star Trek Strange New Worlds, Subspace Rhapsody.

1138
01:08:05.519 --> 01:08:06.780
Yeah, I reckon.

1139
01:08:06.780 --> 01:08:07.920
I don't know where this falls.

1140
01:08:07.980 --> 01:08:08.760
Probably bit.

1141
01:08:08.760 --> 01:08:10.320
Yeah.

1142
01:08:10.380 --> 01:08:12.719
No, this is definitely mid or bad.

1143
01:08:12.780 --> 01:08:13.860
I don't know.

1144
01:08:13.920 --> 01:08:15.000
Oh, it's me.

1145
01:08:15.000 --> 01:08:16.079
It's me.

1146
01:08:16.140 --> 01:08:17.579
Ha ha.

1147
01:08:17.579 --> 01:08:21.840
I'm titled...

1148
01:08:21.899 --> 01:08:24.479
Oh, untitled stream.

1149
01:08:24.539 --> 01:08:25.319
What's that?

1150
01:08:26.159 --> 01:08:27.779
What's that?

1151
01:08:27.840 --> 01:08:30.659
Oh, okay, type the wrong thing.

1152
01:08:33.539 --> 01:08:35.340
There we are.

1153
01:08:35.819 --> 01:08:38.159
Okay.

1154
01:08:43.079 --> 01:08:44.520
Okay.

1155
01:08:45.779 --> 01:08:49.020
Do you say, oh, bloody hell, it's quarter two.

1156
01:08:49.079 --> 01:08:49.619
I don't know.

1157
01:08:49.680 --> 01:08:52.260
Just have enough time to make a coffee and then go again.

1158
01:08:52.319 --> 01:08:53.039
Yeah.

1159
01:08:53.220 --> 01:08:56.579
Are you recording a book club or are you just chatting with him?

1160
01:08:56.640 --> 01:08:57.420
A book club.

1161
01:08:57.479 --> 01:08:58.560
No, we're doing it great, cool.

1162
01:08:58.619 --> 01:08:59.340
Okay, cool.

1163
01:08:59.399 --> 01:09:03.000
It was a good way of getting him to actually finish the bloody thing. you know?

1164
01:09:03.060 --> 01:09:03.659
Yeah, yeah.

1165
01:09:04.500 --> 01:09:06.000
All right.

1166
01:09:09.060 --> 01:09:15.239
All right, it's the end of the episode and it's... 100 and episode 161.

1167
01:09:15.420 --> 01:09:16.619
You think I'd be able to do it?

1168
01:09:17.819 --> 01:09:23.399
Well, it's the end of the episode and it's time for us to find out where we're going next.