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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So, this week, we're watching Star Trek Picard, and it's the 6th

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episode of Picard that we've done, so we've done 2 episodes of

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series one.

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We've done 2 episodes of series 2 and we've done one episode of

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series three.

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And so this is series two, episode six, two of one, which is

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directed by Jonathan Frakes using a huge array of drones and

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things.

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And it was broadcast on the 7th of April 2022 and it's set on the

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12th to the 13th of April 2024.

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So it said in the past, as it happens.

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What did you think?

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I mean, there was some pace for this, you know, but I thought his

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direction for Kurtzman Trek, Freight's direction was actually

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fairly stately in this one, you know, not, it wasn't like, you

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know, the discovery episodes where I'm taking medication just to

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get through them.

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I'm coming to the conclusion, the more we do season 2 that despite

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many strengths, it's probably the weakest of the 3 Picard seasons

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I think one's more interesting because it's setting up and it goes

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to some really dark places. 3 is obviously the populous season

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where they stopped listening to Patrick Stewart and I was wrong.

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He said, all right, I should have brought back Marina.

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And they bring back all the characters.

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Obviously everybody loves that series.

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So this is this is our middle ground.

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So it's probably our most quintessential Picard season because it

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ain't setting it up.

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It ain't finishing it.

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It's the one it's the sort of filler in the middle.

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And interestingly, this episode is bang in the middle of season

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two, which also feels a little bit like filler to me. despite

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having some really nice character scenes.

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I've said to you on a message that if this didn't have Alison

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Peele coming out in that sumptuous red dress, belting out that

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number in spectacular.

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She's in silhouette and suddenly gets a huge spotlight on her and

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she's right above the whole party.

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I don't know that I would remember too much about this episode in

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the grand scheme of the season.

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I remember the party and I do remember the song, obviously, because

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I think it's one of the highlights of the episode and of the show

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and of the franchise.

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It's a great moment.

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But what I didn't remember is, in fact, that this isn't entirely

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about the party, and the party actually starts in the previous

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episode, which is called Fly Me to the Moon.

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And so Gerati goes to the party at the end of episode 5 and she's

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captured and we get the reveal that she's allowed herself or that

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she's somehow become assimilated by the Borg queen as she's

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dying.

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And we see that in a flashback and we see her captured and chained

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up, which is where we see her at the start of the episode.

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And then here we spend a heap of time at the end, setting up

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episode seven.

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So we had, I think, the opportunity to tell the part of the story

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that was about the party and to give that a beginning, a middle

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and an end, but instead the lure of serialisation and the lure of

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the cliffhanger, I think, actually spoils it slightly, whereas I

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think it would have been stronger if we'd had party episode this

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week, you know, weird mindscape episode in Picard's head the

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following week.

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I got very confused because you told me.

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This is the episode with the party.

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This is the episode.

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So previously on the side, I was like, oh, God, I've put the wrong

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episode on.

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The party was last week.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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But I think that when it starts, like episodes one and 2 and 3 are

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all distinct stages of the story, remember?

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Really great. all 3 of those.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And they're really strong and they have a central idea.

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And I think that's where we go with the serialisation in series 3

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where each episode has a beginning, a middle, and an end, whereas

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this is still operating like Game of Thrones operates or something

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like that.

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Inching it along a little bit each week.

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Yeah, so for instance, here, I think there's a series of scenes

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with Adam Sung and Corey, who was Soji last year, and like, I'm

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not sure that that subplot works in any particular way, it seems

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to be there.

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Oh, sort of out during those scenes.

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And I was like, I don't really even know the context of any of

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this.

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So can we go back to those fabulous regulars, please?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I mean, it seemed to be giving Issa something to do, you know

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given that Soji isn't in this series.

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We see her in episode one, but we still want to use the actor and

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we want to use Brent.

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And so it just seemed to be there to give them something to do.

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And it wasn't that interesting.

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And like I think that plot inches along and actually comes to a

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pretty great climax and there is one very good scene, I think, in

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that plot, but it was kind of like it dilutes the focus on the

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party, which would have made it more interesting, I think.

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Do you think what I said to you off, Mike, was wrong?

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I think I might be on the money when I say this 10 episode season

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has about 6 episodes worth of plot, but it's got really great

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regular characters in it.

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So they sort of get away with 2 episodes because they do some

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character stuff that's really interesting, the relationship

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between 7 and Raffi, and just, you know, the wonderful

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relationship between Rios and the doctor.

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There's not sort of like interesting character stuff happening.

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But that does still leave you with a deficit of 2 episodes worth

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of story where you've just sort of got to run on the spot a bit

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and just do something empty but interesting.

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And I felt, I did feel a little bit of that here.

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Yeah, I mean, this is a very short episode. because half the party

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was last week.

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Yeah, well, not quite half the party because everyone arrives at

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the party this week except Gerati who arrives last week.

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But I'm not super sold on the structure where we keep going

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forward to seeing Picard injured and then going back to the party

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before he gets injured.

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And again, I think that's setting up the next episode, really

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rather than helping us tell the story of this episode.

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So, so I'm not sure that I'm right.

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But my feeling is that they've kind of not really done a great job

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of the serialisation here and that that's mostly the problem.

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And so I think that if you had more distinct episodes that had a

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clear focus because I think that's the problem with series one as

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well.

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Like, we've done episodes of series one where everyone's plot gets

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inched along a bit, but the episode itself doesn't seem to be

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about anything.

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And that's certainly a mode.

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That's what soap operas do.

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That's what Game of Thrones does.

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That's what it's trying to do.

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It's not trying to do this, but failing, but I just think it's not

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a good approach, really.

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But in one, there was a feeling of that crew coming together week

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by week.

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There were characters being introduced throughout the series that

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were getting focussed as you went along whilst the plot moved

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along.

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And I think one came to a really quite spectacular climax and

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really moving ending, the whole Picardon day stuff, fabulous space

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battles.

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There was all sorts going on at the end of that season.

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Whereas I think this series starts off sort of running the 1st 2

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or 3 episodes like that episode in the alternative universe is

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just a banger.

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The 2nd you get back in time to earth, it is like the voyage home

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but it's 7 hours long.

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And we did the last episode, didn't we?

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And whilst there's a couple of bits that stick in my mind about it

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I think the thing I came away mostly thinking was, yeah, I think

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as Simon Earth may have done this better more entertainingly.

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So I don't know that it comes to much.

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There's the Picard and Q stuff, but that doesn't really get any

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focus here at all this week.

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So we sort of abandon that at this point.

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And the more fun relationships.

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I've already mentioned 7 and Rafi, Rios and the doctor.

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There's like tiny little mentions of that, but that isn't really

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given in their focus here either.

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So things are sort of picked up and put down.

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They're not sort of walked along.

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What I do think really works, though, is the relationship between

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the Borg Queen and Agnes is great.

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And of course, the ball queen.

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What's the woman's name?

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She's worshipping.

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She's wonderful, just so good.

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She's the most cashball queen you've ever seen.

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She's sitting there with her arm round a gun.

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You're right, love, yeah. that's exactly what I wanted you to do

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Yeah, she's brilliant.

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Like really properly good.

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And the way that that's directed by Frakes is awesome.

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Like the way that she appears and disappears in shot and the way

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that they converse with each other and stuff is really, really

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brilliant.

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Like, that's an excellent scene.

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I think there's an excellent scene between Picard and Renee Picard

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his ancestor, the astronaut who is going to go on the Europa

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mission, which I think is really very good.

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It's very rightly, it's like a very TV writer kind of scene, but

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it's just very well played by both of them.

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And it gives Stuart a new approach.

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He doesn't go in doing the normal Picard thing in it.

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And I think it's really warm and very sweet and it's a very human

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way of solving this space problem.

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So I thought that was really effective as well.

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So I do think there are real strengths to this episode and apart

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from the musical number, but I'm just not sure it hangs together

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as an episode, but it's over quite quickly.

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You know, one of the things I really love about the ball queen

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this season is, you know me.

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I'm not really that sold on Alice Kriegs and Susanna Thompson's

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you know, corpse, ice cream, not mine.

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Please go see our first. what was it called?

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What was he?

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What was the movie called again?

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1st contact episode.

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You'll see hear all of Nathan and Fraser's bizarre kinks in that

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episode.

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Um, is that I really like this sassy.

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Very casual, queen, who's still evil as hell.

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And she did play the regular ball queen at the start of the season

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you know, when she was the ball queen.

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Now she's in Agnes's head.

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It's sort of like a hybrid of her and Agnes, isn't it?

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Because Agnes is scatty and a bit.

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It's really well judged, I think, and a lot more fun than the ball

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queen normally is.

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I'm really pleased.

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And, you know, we lost the actress, didn't we?

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I'm really pleased that she had this season. of her just having

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the best.

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Did you see her on Instagram, taking pictures, taking selfies of

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everybody in that bloody makeup, you know?

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So enthusiastic, like so happy to be there.

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It was just terrific.

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It was really fantastic, I think, to see.

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My last stab of serialisation is that this is why I don't go back

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and watch Picard very often or discovery.

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It's because if I, I can't put on a midseason episode.

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I don't know where I am, you know, and that's my problem because

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I'm not really in tune with how television is these days. certainly

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genre television, which tells these big long, you know, books in

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chapters.

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But there are episodes which are standalones because those 1st

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couple very much are.

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I think every season of Picard has this mid-season.

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What should we call it?

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I want to say Lao, Saunter, Longer, you know, slow walk towards

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the climax, you know.

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Yeah, and that's kind of a shame because it means I'm not as

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exposed to it.

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And we will talk about this.

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There's really great stuff in here.

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But, you know, I put this on and the previously on, had all of

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these fucking plot points coming at me at 15 miles an hour and I'm

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like, what?

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Because you remember what they were.

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It was like a box sake.

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You know, we'll do an original series next week and be like, oh

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okay, on the bridge, right?

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setting up the episode, lovely.

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I'm just old.

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That's the problem.

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No, no, we're literally not watching this the right way.

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I mean, television like this, which is on a streamer, is entirely

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designed for people who are going to tune into it every week and

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properly watch every episode.

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Do you know, did it get an audience?

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I don't know.

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I should look into that. don't know.

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But, you know, like I think if I was to decide to sit down and

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watch series 2 of Star Trek Picard, I think I would enjoy the

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experience, but it's a 10 hour commitment in a way that watching

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an episode of Star Trek, the Next Generation just isn't.

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Excuse me, you've got a bit of time off coming up, all right?

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You've got more than 10 hours to spare. do.

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Well, one thing we can say is it has gained an audience today, you

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and me.

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Should we watch it?

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Yep.

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I think we should.

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I will count us in.

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Five, four, three, two, one, and we're off.

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Will you pay attention, please, because there's a lot happening in

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this pre-tiles.

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It's impossible to understand.

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Actually, in retrospect, I think I can see why all of these scenes

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are actually in it.

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Um, and we see the alternative, you know, the Confederation there

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and we see Q went back in time and changed the present.

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When was it?

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Like it is telling the story so far quite well, introducing Talon

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who is a really odd character.

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Like, why do we have all of Brady playing someone else this...

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We just see your little pretty boy there for a second, but he's

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not in the season, so that's just his little, his one shot of the

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episode.

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Oh no, he is in this episode.

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He's at the party briefly.

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Paying attention.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Because remember he gets killed in episode 2 when he gets shot

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because he's an alien.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And of course, he's better.

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Like, um, uh, Q brings him back at the end.

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That's the sort of happy one.

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You just can't leave Brent Spiner alone, can they?

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Brad, come on.

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The ratings are flagging.

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So this is his 2nd song, and of course, he's played, this is the

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2nd song that he does in Picard, and he's played a song, obviously

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in series 4 of Enterprise as well.

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So he plays a lot of them.

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Can't get over how striking John Delancey looks in this.

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Yeah, she looks great.

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With the beard and everything. to make myself old for you, big

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God.

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So you don't feel bad.

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Yeah, well, I mean, we recently did tapestry, and we said that

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this series doesn't, this particular series of Picard never

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happens if not for tapestry, because tapestry does that personal

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relationship.

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I'll tell you what, there are great scenes between Picard and Q

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this season.

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I think tapestry may have done it a bit more succinctly though.

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Well, yeah, but better, possibly.

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Well, it's nice to see it. revisited later.

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And certainly that final shot where Q and Picard hug.

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Looker, Alice and Pearl's test.

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Did you see her then?

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This is the flashback with her being assimilated.

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That's it.

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She's got her nanoprobes well into her.

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Yeah.

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So, and then she dies.

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Of course, the ball queen dies, but we didn't know she had done

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that.

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You know what?

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They've been paying attention to Farscape, you know, where

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Scorpius was in in Brown's mind all the time and stuff like that.

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No, none of that, no, none of that means anything to me.

329
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How could that mean nothing to you?

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Yeah.

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No, I've never heard of it.

332
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Um, so yeah, this is this sort of thing where this sort of framing

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device where we see Picard injured and then we see him taken to

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the clinic, um, to, um, to raise this clinic.

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And, you know, the time gets shorter and shorter and stuff as time

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goes by, look, how beautiful all of Brady looks.

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Can I just say far out, she's stunning.

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Um, I actually really like this interaction as well, uh, because

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Talon realises that um, Picard is in love with Laris, and then he

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lies to her about that, and then she goes, yes, No, well, now I

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know what it looks like when you lie.

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She's one of those people from Assignment Earth, isn't she?

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She steps through the door in the last episode and says, well, my

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work here is done.

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That's right She's a watcher.

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Yeah, yeah.

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So she's a real.

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Please, you're in my dreams every night.

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He's sort of doing his array of accents in this as well.

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Did you know?

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He does a little bit of the English.

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It has a little bit of the Mexican.

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Can we very quickly talk about Alison Peele?

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Because I set you off, Mike.

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She truly is slumming it in Pizzard series 2 because her CV is

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phenomenal.

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Just wait one sec, wait one sec.

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There's one second.

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Just wait one sec.

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The thing that the Borg queen says captured on purpose, that's a

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great plan, and it looks like she talks about how Girardi's been

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captured and locked up up in this scene in order to get access to

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the control room, but it also talks about her being captured on

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purpose.

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You know, the Borg queen and the Girardi are capturing each other

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on purpose as well.

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Sorry, just says a couple meanings.

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So, relaxed.

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Her legs are crossed.

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She's leaning back in the city. wonderful.

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She's having a great time.

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Yeah, I was just going to say that like, you know, pills work with

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Aaron Sawkin, a big name.

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I know you're not keen, but a big name in television.

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She goes on to work with M. Night Shaman.

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But the big hitters. like her one line of her CV in Star Trek.

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Unfortunately, it's like the lesser line of her CV.

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She's great.

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No, she is terrific.

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She's just tremendous.

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Look at her breasts there.

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Holy crap.

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I don't usually notice that sort of thing, but I mean, at least.

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Yeah, she looks awesome.

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But just the way that the, that, um, that we shoot, you know, the

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boar queen appearing and disappearing and her interactions with

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the boar queen is so clever and so well done.

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And there's no special effects involved.

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It is just a clever director doing it, you know, there she was in

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the shot.

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The camera just panned across and there was the bog.

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Can I take another cold shot at serious 3 though, quickly?

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Because I was reminded once again watching this.

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What a brilliant cast of characters they have put together in

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Picard.

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I love Agnes.

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I love Rios.

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I love Raffi and I love seven.

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And yes, fine.

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It's great to bring those old geriatrics back in the last series

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for one last hurrah.

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I would have rather personally.

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I would have rather have seen them go out with this cast.

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I think they're really really great.

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I do too.

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Well, and I miss Evan, you know, um, because I just thought he was

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adorable.

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Oh God, what's her name?

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Ah, you just said, the one from Tasha Lim, her.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, all of Brady. yeah.

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All abrasious.

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Yeah, they're all crazy.

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I mean, she's briefly in series three, I think.

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She appears at the beginning.

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I mean, I would have had that hot Romulan join the crew from

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series one as well if I'd had a choice. no, yeah, no, that's Evan

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think he's adorable.

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The one thing they got bang on was that, was that that regular

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cast, I think.

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Yeah, yeah.

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The storytelling, I've got issues in all kinds of places. the

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place.

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They cast charismatic leads and gave them interesting characters.

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And it's the old Star Trek thing.

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The classic Star Trek thing of you could put any combination of

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those characters together and they've got great chemistry.

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The other thing, too, that I miss is this music and these opening

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credits as well.

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So, yeah, these, it's wonderful.

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And I miss that from the 3rd series as well.

431
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Like, I think the 3rd series was inevitable, and I think it is

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great.

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Is it the next gen fame in the last series then?

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It's the 1st contact theme.

435
00:20:35.579 --> 00:20:39.480
Yeah, the 1st contact theme, and only in the closing credits.

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Notice Terry Mantelis gets a opening credit, an executive producer

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opening credit, and he's the one who's largely responsible for

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series 3 of them.

439
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You telling me that Terry is responsible for pill being out and

440
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Certis being in?

441
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My guess is that we get peel for 2 series because she's too big.

442
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That's night, a movie, you say, right, I'm going.

443
00:21:05.819 --> 00:21:13.799
So they write they write Rios and Agnes out this series, don't

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they?

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And is that because they knew what they were doing the next year

446
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already or what?

447
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I did see some backlash to that, though.

448
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Obviously, I know 3 was popular, but I remember there was a little

449
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bit of backlash of, oh, we're just getting to like these people.

450
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Yeah, are they going?

451
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Yeah.

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I agree.

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I mean, it's not hard to like Rios, just look into his eyes for

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2.5 seconds.

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It's beautiful.

456
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Oh, I thought this was a pretty well executed party.

457
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You know, there's lots of extras on the screen. some very fabulous

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art and lighting.

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I, you know, there's little good character moments all the way

460
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through, like Raffi refusing a drink, like she's offered a drink

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and she refuses it, and that's kind of interesting.

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The interaction between Rios and Raffi is very good.

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I love that bit.

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Yeah.

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I love it.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Like he's already talking about staying behind, you know, like she

469
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says, you know, don't fall in love with someone here.

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Don't go back there.

471
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I liked it when Rafi talked about 7 as well.

472
00:22:11.579 --> 00:22:15.779
Yeah, about all the package that comes with being with a book.

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X Borg.

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It's that moment where she says, no, no.

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The implants are heavy and it's nice to see her not carrying

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because she's at the party relaxing, having a drink, laughing with

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strangers, being normal, you know, not being a Borg for the 1st

478
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time for a long time. stiff Jerry Ryan from Voyager, don't we?

479
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Because, you know, Deadpans, she's very, very funny.

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And it means when the emotion breaks out, it really hits us.

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But the more relaxed Jerry Ryan of Picard. wonderful.

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She's so sexy. bloody hell.

483
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She's great.

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She's really good, like properly good and still funny and

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awkward.

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Remember the scene where, you know, her and Raffi are taking the

487
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photos.

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Like she's a massive dork and doesn't get the language, right?

489
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You know, but is much more relaxed.

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And I would have been disappointed had she still been like 7 of

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nine, you know, because how many years have passed, you know, 20

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years or something?

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And of course she's going to be different and have learned to

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relax and learn to be human.

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That was the whole point, wasn't it?

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I was super pleased as well that she did stick around for 3 and I

497
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thought she was great in three.

498
00:23:23.640 --> 00:23:26.039
But again, that was just a safe bet.

499
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It was a safe bet, wasn't it?

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Bringing seven, you know, as a big love into 90s trek.

501
00:23:30.539 --> 00:23:34.980
Sure, but having having seven, having Raffi in there as well in

502
00:23:34.980 --> 00:23:37.920
that final series too, I was pretty pleased to see that. just

503
00:23:37.920 --> 00:23:38.819
wanted to keep them all, though.

504
00:23:39.779 --> 00:23:41.940
I can't get over.

505
00:23:42.000 --> 00:23:46.619
So like this, like this, she's so funny.

506
00:23:46.680 --> 00:23:48.539
This ball queen is so great.

507
00:23:48.599 --> 00:23:50.339
She's not sexy nation.

508
00:23:50.400 --> 00:23:51.779
No, she's not sexy.

509
00:23:51.839 --> 00:23:52.680
She's not glistening.

510
00:23:52.740 --> 00:23:55.799
She's because she's interacting with Agnes.

511
00:23:55.859 --> 00:23:58.019
And that's not a sexual relationship.

512
00:23:58.019 --> 00:24:05.039
And then in slightly longer shot, she's absent, just to remind us

513
00:24:05.039 --> 00:24:07.200
that no one else at the party can see her.

514
00:24:07.259 --> 00:24:08.940
Like it's all so well done.

515
00:24:09.000 --> 00:24:12.720
It is, you know, I will say again though, and I know you haven't

516
00:24:12.720 --> 00:24:13.200
watched it.

517
00:24:13.259 --> 00:24:16.079
It is exactly what they used to do in Farscape all the time, was

518
00:24:16.079 --> 00:24:19.440
have Ben Browder talking to nobody, and then they'd cut into a

519
00:24:19.440 --> 00:24:22.079
shot with her, you know, it is it's a staple.

520
00:24:22.140 --> 00:24:23.339
I've seen it on a few times.

521
00:24:23.400 --> 00:24:24.240
He's done very well.

522
00:24:24.299 --> 00:24:25.440
Oh, yeah, yeah.

523
00:24:25.500 --> 00:24:28.079
Battlestone Galactica as well, with Sid, remember?

524
00:24:28.140 --> 00:24:29.880
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

525
00:24:30.000 --> 00:24:31.619
Nathan, can I get you a whiskey?

526
00:24:33.720 --> 00:24:38.579
So this is the scene that we talked about earlier, which is just

527
00:24:38.579 --> 00:24:40.140
the scene with Rios and Raffi.

528
00:24:40.200 --> 00:24:44.039
And I just think that the 2 of them together are so fantastic.

529
00:24:44.099 --> 00:24:47.940
And like he is absolutely different.

530
00:24:48.000 --> 00:24:51.180
And so what, this is kind of foreshadowing what he does at the end

531
00:24:51.180 --> 00:24:51.660
of the season.

532
00:24:51.779 --> 00:24:53.880
Of course he's different.

533
00:24:53.940 --> 00:24:57.000
He's caught the eye of that hot doctor, for goodness sake.

534
00:24:57.059 --> 00:24:59.160
Oh, and the matches now.

535
00:24:59.220 --> 00:25:02.339
Oh my god, that's so that's so adorable.

536
00:25:02.339 --> 00:25:03.839
It's so utterly Star Trek.

537
00:25:03.900 --> 00:25:07.259
You know, he's geeking at over the matches and she observes how

538
00:25:07.259 --> 00:25:07.920
happy he is.

539
00:25:07.980 --> 00:25:09.779
And I don't think we have seen that smile.

540
00:25:09.839 --> 00:25:13.859
Like, I don't think we've seen Santiago do that smile before as

541
00:25:13.859 --> 00:25:14.640
Rios.

542
00:25:14.759 --> 00:25:16.140
This is new, I think.

543
00:25:16.200 --> 00:25:19.559
There's a very natural intimacy between the 2 of them as well.

544
00:25:19.619 --> 00:25:23.279
Like, he does, he kisses her in a, but she blew out his match

545
00:25:23.279 --> 00:25:23.819
just.

546
00:25:23.880 --> 00:25:24.359
I don't know.

547
00:25:24.480 --> 00:25:27.000
Something sparkles with this crew.

548
00:25:27.059 --> 00:25:29.039
It's really good, isn't it?

549
00:25:29.099 --> 00:25:33.180
I mean, I do much prefer Raffi as well when she isn't suffering

550
00:25:33.180 --> 00:25:37.799
drug withdrawals and relationship issues and 0 my god, she just

551
00:25:37.799 --> 00:25:39.059
has some fun this year, doesn't she?

552
00:25:39.119 --> 00:25:40.740
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

553
00:25:40.799 --> 00:25:41.279
I agree.

554
00:25:41.339 --> 00:25:43.440
I do think that that's nicer.

555
00:25:43.500 --> 00:25:47.759
And I did feel a little bit disappointed when series 3 came along

556
00:25:47.759 --> 00:25:50.519
and she was so miserable at the beginning of it. like she was

557
00:25:50.519 --> 00:25:51.420
still addicted.

558
00:25:51.839 --> 00:25:56.400
Yeah, look, it just his look while he's talking about her when

559
00:25:56.400 --> 00:25:57.779
he's talking about Teresa.

560
00:25:57.839 --> 00:25:58.500
It's so good.

561
00:25:58.559 --> 00:25:59.400
He's so good.

562
00:25:59.460 --> 00:26:01.259
Little gleam in his eye.

563
00:26:01.380 --> 00:26:02.940
We've all seen that gleam, you know.

564
00:26:03.000 --> 00:26:04.319
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

565
00:26:04.380 --> 00:26:07.259
Oh, shit, well, you meet someone for a different century.

566
00:26:07.319 --> 00:26:09.180
The relationship is built on lies.

567
00:26:09.480 --> 00:26:11.640
I wonder, doesn't she work it out?

568
00:26:12.420 --> 00:26:18.420
Yeah, it's actually quite good, I think, because that becomes

569
00:26:18.420 --> 00:26:20.279
really, you know, important thing later.

570
00:26:20.339 --> 00:26:23.339
So look at look at Jerry too at the party.

571
00:26:23.400 --> 00:26:25.920
Like, oh, and Rios kisses her on the forehead.

572
00:26:25.980 --> 00:26:29.819
But Jerry, the party enjoying herself and there's Elnor.

573
00:26:29.880 --> 00:26:32.160
Oh, Prissy Eldor.

574
00:26:32.220 --> 00:26:33.240
I'll say it for you.

575
00:26:33.299 --> 00:26:35.460
Yeah, yeah. and look.

576
00:26:35.519 --> 00:26:37.740
Oh, again, Michelle doing such a great job.

577
00:26:37.799 --> 00:26:39.539
Like she's just suddenly reminded.

578
00:26:39.599 --> 00:26:43.079
I do have to make this point, Rick Berman, that this is how you

579
00:26:43.079 --> 00:26:47.339
make Jerry Ryan look stunningly beautiful without putting her in a

580
00:26:47.339 --> 00:26:49.019
skin tight catsuit, okay?

581
00:26:49.079 --> 00:26:50.640
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

582
00:26:50.759 --> 00:26:52.200
Yeah.

583
00:26:52.259 --> 00:26:53.640
It's funny, isn't it?

584
00:26:53.700 --> 00:26:58.859
Like, there are more women than men. in this group at the moment

585
00:26:58.859 --> 00:26:59.759
aren't there?

586
00:26:59.880 --> 00:27:00.660
Good.

587
00:27:00.720 --> 00:27:01.799
I wonder if they're likeable.

588
00:27:01.859 --> 00:27:05.220
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. which is actually pretty great. holiday

589
00:27:05.220 --> 00:27:05.460
obviously.

590
00:27:05.579 --> 00:27:09.180
Alpha males in enterprise and well, half the cast of Voyager.

591
00:27:09.240 --> 00:27:11.160
The man number the problem.

592
00:27:11.220 --> 00:27:15.240
So when Picard is talking about Renee Renee's drinking heavily and

593
00:27:15.240 --> 00:27:18.059
they're worried about her and Picard says, oh, she does check her

594
00:27:18.059 --> 00:27:21.599
mobile device quite a bit and Talon just says, no, we all do

595
00:27:21.599 --> 00:27:21.839
that.

596
00:27:23.819 --> 00:27:25.980
Look the size of it.

597
00:27:26.039 --> 00:27:28.319
She's got a massive mobile phone, mind you?

598
00:27:28.380 --> 00:27:29.099
Hang on.

599
00:27:29.160 --> 00:27:30.779
This is the past now, isn't it?

600
00:27:30.839 --> 00:27:31.440
Not the future.

601
00:27:31.500 --> 00:27:33.119
This is our past.

602
00:27:33.720 --> 00:27:36.299
It's 2 years in the future at the time of broadcast.

603
00:27:36.359 --> 00:27:39.119
Was this the present when it was being shot and put out?

604
00:27:39.180 --> 00:27:44.160
So it's put out in 2022, but it said in 2024.

605
00:27:44.339 --> 00:27:45.660
Oh, risky.

606
00:27:45.660 --> 00:27:47.099
Star Trek Picard.

607
00:27:47.160 --> 00:27:47.400
Okay.

608
00:27:47.460 --> 00:27:48.960
The near future.

609
00:27:49.019 --> 00:27:51.539
They absolutely have to do it.

610
00:27:51.599 --> 00:27:54.960
And there are wildfires in LA, which they correctly predict

611
00:27:54.960 --> 00:27:56.339
because they happen all the time.

612
00:27:56.400 --> 00:27:58.500
So...

613
00:27:58.619 --> 00:28:00.539
Please take a look at all of Brody.

614
00:28:00.599 --> 00:28:02.700
Patrick Stewart, you are punching, all right?

615
00:28:03.000 --> 00:28:06.779
Yeah, she's stunningly beautiful.

616
00:28:06.900 --> 00:28:08.400
She's great isn't she?

617
00:28:08.460 --> 00:28:11.880
And there's just a very mature chemistry between the 2 of them

618
00:28:11.880 --> 00:28:12.779
that I quite like.

619
00:28:12.839 --> 00:28:14.460
Yeah.

620
00:28:14.519 --> 00:28:16.920
I'd like to imagine that they're together.

621
00:28:16.980 --> 00:28:21.599
We given enough to kind of think that they might end up together.

622
00:28:21.660 --> 00:28:24.660
Is this the season where Wesley comes along at the end?

623
00:28:24.720 --> 00:28:25.559
Yeah.

624
00:28:25.619 --> 00:28:27.779
So, well, we are just in his casuals.

625
00:28:27.839 --> 00:28:28.500
Yeah.

626
00:28:28.559 --> 00:28:29.460
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

627
00:28:29.519 --> 00:28:32.819
Is he still, is he like a, the travel child for that point?

628
00:28:32.880 --> 00:28:33.420
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

629
00:28:33.420 --> 00:28:35.940
So we've got travellers, we've got time travellers from Assignment

630
00:28:35.940 --> 00:28:36.299
Earth.

631
00:28:36.299 --> 00:28:37.799
They're all in next season.

632
00:28:37.859 --> 00:28:39.599
Omnipotent beings.

633
00:28:41.339 --> 00:28:45.900
Oh, okay, so Gerardi's been so busy with her chat with the Borg

634
00:28:45.900 --> 00:28:48.299
queen that she hasn't been doing her job.

635
00:28:49.799 --> 00:28:52.140
I didn't talk about it earlier.

636
00:28:52.200 --> 00:28:54.240
There was a really lovely, tense moment.

637
00:28:54.299 --> 00:28:57.119
Well, we were talking about sort of locks up next to the Ball

638
00:28:57.119 --> 00:29:02.039
Queen, where she was adding the data for their cover stories so

639
00:29:02.039 --> 00:29:03.539
they could get into the party.

640
00:29:03.599 --> 00:29:05.579
I thought that was really nicely done.

641
00:29:05.640 --> 00:29:06.720
It was a really tense moment.

642
00:29:06.779 --> 00:29:09.480
But I could have done with a bit more of that throughout the

643
00:29:09.480 --> 00:29:11.099
episode throughout this episode.

644
00:29:11.220 --> 00:29:12.900
I don't know.

645
00:29:12.960 --> 00:29:14.880
I just, I do like this character stuff.

646
00:29:14.940 --> 00:29:17.700
I do, but it does feel like we've just stopped.

647
00:29:18.119 --> 00:29:20.819
But I mean, the party is important.

648
00:29:20.880 --> 00:29:22.140
Like they've set it up.

649
00:29:22.559 --> 00:29:27.480
So that was the Borg queen taking over the tree. in order to kiss

650
00:29:27.480 --> 00:29:28.079
Rios.

651
00:29:28.140 --> 00:29:29.940
That was a strong pull, you know.

652
00:29:30.720 --> 00:29:33.240
You ever pull somebody that strongly?

653
00:29:33.299 --> 00:29:37.740
Well, I mean, she is the Borg queen as well, remember.

654
00:29:37.799 --> 00:29:38.880
So she is stronger.

655
00:29:39.059 --> 00:29:41.819
You just got off with the ball queen.

656
00:29:41.880 --> 00:29:42.240
Well done.

657
00:29:42.420 --> 00:29:44.700
Put that on your scorecard.

658
00:29:44.759 --> 00:29:48.000
So this, I mean, this is the important thing.

659
00:29:48.059 --> 00:29:51.000
This party is the night before the Europa mission sets off.

660
00:29:51.059 --> 00:29:52.740
She's about to go into quarantine.

661
00:29:52.859 --> 00:29:56.460
Uh, but prior to the mission, she's still freaking out about the

662
00:29:56.460 --> 00:30:01.559
um, some of the, uh, you know, the practice runs that they had.

663
00:30:02.400 --> 00:30:05.279
And she's about to storm off.

664
00:30:05.339 --> 00:30:07.559
It's about to go horribly wrong.

665
00:30:07.619 --> 00:30:11.279
And this is what all of Brady's all of Brady's character's been

666
00:30:11.279 --> 00:30:13.799
trying to prevent for 24 years and so on.

667
00:30:13.859 --> 00:30:18.059
And then Picard goes off and he says, I'm going to talk to her and

668
00:30:18.059 --> 00:30:20.700
um, Taylor says, what are you going to say?

669
00:30:20.759 --> 00:30:22.859
And he says, I'm not quite sure.

670
00:30:22.920 --> 00:30:25.740
And that leads up to this central scene, which I think is just

671
00:30:25.740 --> 00:30:28.259
great and has to happen at the party, I think.

672
00:30:28.319 --> 00:30:30.599
Brent, will you just get out of the way, please?

673
00:30:30.660 --> 00:30:31.859
You are stalling this episode.

674
00:30:31.980 --> 00:30:33.359
Yes, you really are.

675
00:30:33.420 --> 00:30:35.519
He's like, oh, do it.

676
00:30:35.579 --> 00:30:37.559
As long as I don't have to wear the fucking makeup again.

677
00:30:37.619 --> 00:30:38.099
Okay?

678
00:30:38.160 --> 00:30:39.480
Deal.

679
00:30:39.539 --> 00:30:42.839
I mean, did you see how many vodka she was down in, Renee?

680
00:30:42.900 --> 00:30:44.160
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

681
00:30:44.220 --> 00:30:45.839
Well Picard was commenting on it.

682
00:30:45.900 --> 00:30:48.299
Have we heard of Renee before this season?

683
00:30:48.359 --> 00:30:49.440
No.

684
00:30:49.500 --> 00:30:50.400
Oh, okay.

685
00:30:50.460 --> 00:30:51.660
Yeah, okay.

686
00:30:51.720 --> 00:30:53.700
Well, because it's 2022.

687
00:30:53.880 --> 00:30:56.519
So it's a somewhat distant ancestor.

688
00:30:56.759 --> 00:31:01.440
Obviously, Renee is a name that runs in the Picard family because

689
00:31:01.440 --> 00:31:06.720
he's nephew who burns to death in Star Trek generations.

690
00:31:06.779 --> 00:31:09.299
I do remember he was part of it, but I don't have a clue what soon

691
00:31:09.299 --> 00:31:10.799
was doing in that last episode.

692
00:31:11.579 --> 00:31:14.099
What's his out end game?

693
00:31:14.160 --> 00:31:15.299
Like, what's his what's his deal?

694
00:31:15.359 --> 00:31:21.000
So Q has come to him with a cure for his daughter's genetic

695
00:31:21.000 --> 00:31:21.720
condition.

696
00:31:21.779 --> 00:31:25.200
She's currently confined at home and can't go out because the

697
00:31:25.200 --> 00:31:27.420
touch of sunlight is deadly to her.

698
00:31:27.480 --> 00:31:35.160
And so Q has said, if you can prevent Renee from getting on board

699
00:31:35.160 --> 00:31:37.980
this ship, I will give you the cure.

700
00:31:38.039 --> 00:31:40.500
And so that's what's motivating him.

701
00:31:40.619 --> 00:31:48.720
And she's going to find out um, She's going to find out about all

702
00:31:48.720 --> 00:31:50.039
of that in this episode.

703
00:31:50.099 --> 00:31:54.299
So sorry to keep doing this, but why does he want to prevent her

704
00:31:54.299 --> 00:31:55.079
from going on the ship?

705
00:31:55.559 --> 00:32:00.839
Because the Europa mission is the thing that has been changed, that

706
00:32:00.839 --> 00:32:02.460
leads to the confederation.

707
00:32:02.519 --> 00:32:06.240
If she leaves, if she doesn't get on board Europa mission, the

708
00:32:06.240 --> 00:32:11.819
Europa mission finds a solution to the climate change problem, that

709
00:32:11.819 --> 00:32:15.480
is what besets the Confederation's version of Earth.

710
00:32:15.539 --> 00:32:21.000
That's a really great premise of a Star Trek episode.

711
00:32:23.160 --> 00:32:26.579
But I mean, it is, that's exactly the point of it, though.

712
00:32:26.640 --> 00:32:28.559
It is a premise of a Star Trek episode.

713
00:32:28.859 --> 00:32:31.319
Maybe a 2 par at most.

714
00:32:31.380 --> 00:32:35.519
No, no, but I reckon because there's enough going on.

715
00:32:35.640 --> 00:32:38.279
And so I think this is really wonderful.

716
00:32:38.460 --> 00:32:43.740
So we need to get Picard out so that he can talk to Renee.

717
00:32:43.740 --> 00:32:50.039
Uh, and so the Borg queen helps to create this distraction by

718
00:32:50.039 --> 00:32:55.920
turning the power off and then obviously uh, getting uh, getting

719
00:32:55.920 --> 00:32:57.839
Agnes to actually do the distraction.

720
00:32:57.900 --> 00:33:01.740
There are images of nomad around here somewhere.

721
00:33:01.799 --> 00:33:02.940
You're joking.

722
00:33:03.000 --> 00:33:03.720
No.

723
00:33:03.779 --> 00:33:05.640
Is there a string?

724
00:33:05.700 --> 00:33:06.480
Did you notice the string?

725
00:33:06.539 --> 00:33:09.240
No, but nomad has been launched at this point.

726
00:33:09.299 --> 00:33:12.480
So there's a poster of nomad in the background somewhere.

727
00:33:13.079 --> 00:33:16.559
It's the sort of detail, Curls, where Trek gets very right.

728
00:33:16.619 --> 00:33:18.480
It's so good Oh boy.

729
00:33:18.539 --> 00:33:19.680
Come on.

730
00:33:19.740 --> 00:33:21.420
It's time for so long.

731
00:33:21.480 --> 00:33:23.220
Baby, take my hand.

732
00:33:23.400 --> 00:33:25.799
She is so good.

733
00:33:25.859 --> 00:33:27.660
And that's her.

734
00:33:27.779 --> 00:33:29.519
Like, that's definitely Alison Peele.

735
00:33:29.579 --> 00:33:32.579
It's like a vita coming out to the balcony, isn't it?

736
00:33:32.640 --> 00:33:34.019
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

737
00:33:34.079 --> 00:33:38.700
And what I really like is I actually buy this because she sings

738
00:33:38.700 --> 00:33:43.920
solo by herself, the band doesn't come in until later, and then, of

739
00:33:43.920 --> 00:33:46.680
course, the band, which is just full of great session musicians or

740
00:33:46.680 --> 00:33:49.680
whatever, picks it up and knows the song and knows what key it's

741
00:33:49.680 --> 00:33:51.299
in and just starts playing along.

742
00:33:51.480 --> 00:33:53.700
Do take a look at her CV.

743
00:33:53.759 --> 00:33:57.420
The amount of musical fear stuff that she has done. is

744
00:33:57.420 --> 00:33:58.140
extraordinary.

745
00:33:58.200 --> 00:34:01.500
This, if it's like a breeze in the park for her, compared to some

746
00:34:01.500 --> 00:34:02.460
of the stuff she's done.

747
00:34:02.460 --> 00:34:07.619
I really think there just should be more songs, like more Star

748
00:34:07.619 --> 00:34:10.679
Trek things with musical numbers in them because it's fucking

749
00:34:10.679 --> 00:34:10.920
great.

750
00:34:10.980 --> 00:34:14.760
Really great about it as well, though, is this is a side to Agnes

751
00:34:14.760 --> 00:34:15.420
but we don't.

752
00:34:15.480 --> 00:34:17.579
She normally she's awkward and silly.

753
00:34:17.639 --> 00:34:18.780
Do you know what I mean?

754
00:34:18.840 --> 00:34:24.059
She comes out, sexy, confident, you know, this is the queen

755
00:34:24.059 --> 00:34:24.480
Agnes.

756
00:34:24.539 --> 00:34:24.840
Yeah.

757
00:34:24.900 --> 00:34:26.579
It's great.

758
00:34:26.639 --> 00:34:30.059
But there's a twist, of course, because it looks like a moment of

759
00:34:30.059 --> 00:34:34.500
triumph and she actually kind of helps to fix the mission and you

760
00:34:34.500 --> 00:34:37.500
think and because this is so wonderfully done.

761
00:34:37.559 --> 00:34:42.719
So she finishes the song, she bows, and then the 2 of them come up

762
00:34:42.719 --> 00:34:45.960
into the frame, which is just suburb.

763
00:34:46.079 --> 00:34:49.019
Oh, what, so actress's name, she must have just been waiting

764
00:34:49.019 --> 00:34:50.639
underneath the camera there, right?

765
00:34:52.320 --> 00:34:57.840
But now it's enabled the Borg to take her over because all of the

766
00:34:57.840 --> 00:35:00.840
stress hormones have, you know, she's now been flooded with

767
00:35:00.840 --> 00:35:01.739
endorphins.

768
00:35:01.860 --> 00:35:02.820
All those are dolphins.

769
00:35:02.880 --> 00:35:04.380
I'm coming through.

770
00:35:04.380 --> 00:35:06.420
I think Carl steered a ship for a while.

771
00:35:07.860 --> 00:35:10.199
No, wait, I'm in control.

772
00:35:10.260 --> 00:35:11.519
Not anymore.

773
00:35:11.639 --> 00:35:13.739
It's so good.

774
00:35:13.800 --> 00:35:17.519
And that shot. where she, suddenly you can see.

775
00:35:17.579 --> 00:35:19.860
Oh, yeah, because they do the eye thing as well.

776
00:35:19.920 --> 00:35:21.480
It's terrifying.

777
00:35:21.480 --> 00:35:23.820
With her grinning like that and the black eyes.

778
00:35:23.880 --> 00:35:25.260
Yeah.

779
00:35:25.320 --> 00:35:28.559
That easily the highlight of the episode, that.

780
00:35:28.619 --> 00:35:31.739
But then I think this scene is very good as well.

781
00:35:31.800 --> 00:35:35.519
And I think why it's good is it's just 2 people acting.

782
00:35:35.579 --> 00:35:38.099
It's just one person trying to persuade another one to do

783
00:35:38.099 --> 00:35:38.460
something.

784
00:35:38.519 --> 00:35:40.440
And it's the centre of the mission.

785
00:35:40.500 --> 00:35:43.920
This is the difference between the 2 pasts.

786
00:35:43.920 --> 00:35:45.539
You're going to make fun of her accent.

787
00:35:45.599 --> 00:35:47.699
Please no, all right.

788
00:35:47.760 --> 00:35:51.659
Please know how stationary the camera is right now whilst these 2

789
00:35:51.659 --> 00:35:52.380
people are talking.

790
00:35:52.500 --> 00:35:54.300
Let's compare a contrast.

791
00:35:54.360 --> 00:35:57.000
That fucking discovery episode we watched the other day where it

792
00:35:57.000 --> 00:36:00.179
was zooming around the room, changing axles all the time.

793
00:36:00.239 --> 00:36:02.219
It's moving very slowly.

794
00:36:02.280 --> 00:36:03.059
This is what I like.

795
00:36:03.119 --> 00:36:05.340
This is the old Jonathan from the drumhead days.

796
00:36:05.400 --> 00:36:07.440
Just stationary on the people.

797
00:36:07.500 --> 00:36:09.420
And yes, the accent, yes.

798
00:36:09.659 --> 00:36:12.780
Awfully, awfully uppercrossed.

799
00:36:12.840 --> 00:36:13.559
I must say.

800
00:36:13.619 --> 00:36:14.579
She's Australian.

801
00:36:14.639 --> 00:36:15.480
She's from Melbourne.

802
00:36:15.780 --> 00:36:18.179
I mean, I thought she was English.

803
00:36:18.239 --> 00:36:21.780
I was convinced I just thought she was privileged. all.

804
00:36:22.260 --> 00:36:26.820
But what I like about this is Pecan doesn't come in and be

805
00:36:26.820 --> 00:36:27.719
imperious.

806
00:36:27.780 --> 00:36:28.980
Do you know what I mean?

807
00:36:29.039 --> 00:36:33.420
He comes in and he's just a security guard and he, what, he

808
00:36:33.420 --> 00:36:36.599
benefits from being old and he says something about being the

809
00:36:36.599 --> 00:36:40.619
wisest of the security guards, which I kind of like because she

810
00:36:40.619 --> 00:36:42.900
comments that he's very old for a security guard.

811
00:36:42.960 --> 00:36:49.380
And he's just kind to her and he admires her and he's not, do you

812
00:36:49.380 --> 00:36:49.800
know what I mean?

813
00:36:49.860 --> 00:36:51.599
He doesn't come from a higher position.

814
00:36:51.659 --> 00:36:53.280
He doesn't say I know better than you.

815
00:36:53.340 --> 00:36:57.179
He doesn't do any of that normal Picard stuff from next gen.

816
00:36:57.239 --> 00:36:59.039
He's just gentle with her.

817
00:36:59.099 --> 00:37:01.139
Well, such a wise move.

818
00:37:01.260 --> 00:37:05.639
Obviously, he is a quite an old man now, Patrick Stewart, yeah.

819
00:37:05.699 --> 00:37:10.739
To surround him by hot young, capable young people. doing all of

820
00:37:10.739 --> 00:37:14.760
the action, so he can just do what he does best, which is just

821
00:37:14.760 --> 00:37:16.079
perform, you know?

822
00:37:16.139 --> 00:37:21.300
And this is the sort of scene he would rock back in his TNG days.

823
00:37:21.420 --> 00:37:25.320
I love, she says I think fear is sometimes a warning that you

824
00:37:25.320 --> 00:37:28.739
can't do something and he says, no, no, no. makes you smile. just

825
00:37:28.739 --> 00:37:31.559
fear. makes you understand the risks.

826
00:37:31.619 --> 00:37:32.639
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

827
00:37:32.699 --> 00:37:35.039
I mean, we did a bit of that in tapestry, didn't we?

828
00:37:35.099 --> 00:37:36.539
Yeah.

829
00:37:37.199 --> 00:37:39.599
It's passing the lesson on.

830
00:37:39.659 --> 00:37:41.820
It's so nice.

831
00:37:41.880 --> 00:37:45.000
It's just, and look, the camera is moving slightly and we're

832
00:37:45.000 --> 00:37:47.820
cutting more frequently than we would have done in the 90s

833
00:37:47.880 --> 00:37:49.619
marginally.

834
00:37:49.679 --> 00:37:51.059
Good grief.

835
00:37:51.119 --> 00:37:52.500
Oh, that disgusting episode.

836
00:37:52.920 --> 00:37:54.840
Cameras moving.

837
00:37:54.900 --> 00:37:56.760
Things are out of focus in the background.

838
00:37:56.820 --> 00:38:00.179
I think occasionally, you know, I put a roller coaster in the set

839
00:38:00.179 --> 00:38:02.760
and Jen, Jonathan sits there with the camera and goes around.

840
00:38:02.820 --> 00:38:04.019
Woo, you know.

841
00:38:06.420 --> 00:38:10.980
Yeah, now, if you are going to stop for an episode, yeah, have

842
00:38:10.980 --> 00:38:14.699
things like this that really show connections between the

843
00:38:14.699 --> 00:38:15.119
characters.

844
00:38:15.239 --> 00:38:16.619
Yeah, yeah.

845
00:38:16.679 --> 00:38:17.880
But this is central.

846
00:38:17.940 --> 00:38:20.639
Like, this is him fixing the problem in a way.

847
00:38:20.699 --> 00:38:26.340
Um, uh, you know, by getting her to agree to go on the mission.

848
00:38:26.400 --> 00:38:27.900
This is episode six.

849
00:38:27.960 --> 00:38:31.800
She don't, the mission don't start till 10. you know?

850
00:38:32.579 --> 00:38:34.559
What do we do for the next 3 episodes?

851
00:38:34.619 --> 00:38:36.119
I can't remember.

852
00:38:36.179 --> 00:38:41.039
Well, next week is the, um, you know, flashback mindscape inside

853
00:38:41.039 --> 00:38:44.639
Picard's head while he's unconscious that we set up for the last 5

854
00:38:44.639 --> 00:38:45.719
minutes of this episode.

855
00:38:46.500 --> 00:38:50.039
I say, I fell asleep while watching this at some point.

856
00:38:50.039 --> 00:38:52.440
And I woke up and that was on.

857
00:38:52.500 --> 00:38:55.559
Somebody was painting a wall and there was stained glass. what is

858
00:38:55.559 --> 00:38:56.099
going on here?

859
00:38:56.159 --> 00:38:58.139
What's this got to do with Renee?

860
00:38:58.260 --> 00:39:00.960
Yeah, I'm sure it all ties in.

861
00:39:01.199 --> 00:39:03.659
Oh, I really love Soji.

862
00:39:03.719 --> 00:39:06.840
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

863
00:39:06.900 --> 00:39:10.260
So she is in episode one very briefly in a scene.

864
00:39:10.320 --> 00:39:13.320
Remember where it's sort of Gerati is kind of hopeless and stuff

865
00:39:13.320 --> 00:39:15.960
and and she's doing well.

866
00:39:16.019 --> 00:39:18.300
So we do get to see what happens to Soji.

867
00:39:18.360 --> 00:39:19.980
You know what our problem is, Nathan.

868
00:39:20.039 --> 00:39:23.280
We've got a big problem is that, you know, we do these Star Trek

869
00:39:23.280 --> 00:39:25.800
shows and half the time, half the cars, you know, we don't want to

870
00:39:25.800 --> 00:39:26.460
hang around with.

871
00:39:26.519 --> 00:39:29.880
We could happily say goodbye to them and we'd never be unhappy

872
00:39:29.880 --> 00:39:30.239
about that.

873
00:39:30.300 --> 00:39:34.260
Picard's got characters to spare that we love being around and

874
00:39:34.260 --> 00:39:35.340
they keep abandoning them.

875
00:39:35.460 --> 00:39:37.139
Yeah, yeah.

876
00:39:37.199 --> 00:39:37.739
Yeah.

877
00:39:37.800 --> 00:39:39.780
I mean, Discovery does that a little bit.

878
00:39:39.840 --> 00:39:40.860
I think.

879
00:39:40.920 --> 00:39:41.880
You know.

880
00:39:41.940 --> 00:39:45.000
Do you think they're as likeable when discoveries they are here?

881
00:39:45.059 --> 00:39:47.039
I think it's so bad. true.

882
00:39:47.099 --> 00:39:48.719
I like ash tile a lot.

883
00:39:48.780 --> 00:39:50.039
And he goes.

884
00:39:50.099 --> 00:39:51.599
Why is that, Matron?

885
00:39:51.659 --> 00:39:53.940
Yeah, he's not as nice as Rios, obviously.

886
00:39:54.000 --> 00:39:57.179
No one.

887
00:39:57.179 --> 00:39:58.800
Jesus Christ.

888
00:39:58.860 --> 00:40:01.500
That one with all the holograms of Vietnam.

889
00:40:01.559 --> 00:40:02.579
I had a dream like that once.

890
00:40:02.639 --> 00:40:04.739
Yeah, yeah, he's so beautiful.

891
00:40:04.800 --> 00:40:07.019
Please do another accent.

892
00:40:07.380 --> 00:40:12.119
You were right though. cutting back to to sort of pretend there's

893
00:40:12.119 --> 00:40:14.880
a lot of jeopardy in this episode, cutting back to him on the

894
00:40:14.880 --> 00:40:17.400
floor here with the black. doesn't really work in this episode

895
00:40:17.400 --> 00:40:17.760
does it?

896
00:40:17.820 --> 00:40:22.079
And maybe that's maybe it is because they couldn't, you know, they

897
00:40:22.079 --> 00:40:24.719
should have just held their bottle and said, this is a scene at a

898
00:40:24.719 --> 00:40:27.360
party where they all get to talk to one another and we're just

899
00:40:27.360 --> 00:40:27.780
doing that.

900
00:40:27.840 --> 00:40:29.219
We don't need jeopardy.

901
00:40:29.760 --> 00:40:33.360
So, you know, they're 30 minutes earlier, 15 minutes earlier.

902
00:40:33.420 --> 00:40:36.000
Yeah, because then it always up to this and yeah, fine.

903
00:40:36.059 --> 00:40:36.420
It is.

904
00:40:36.480 --> 00:40:38.940
I mean, Jesus, he's an old guy and he's just been hit by a car.

905
00:40:39.000 --> 00:40:42.659
That's pretty serious you know, it's called Star Trek Picard.

906
00:40:42.719 --> 00:40:43.860
We know he's going to be in episode 10.

907
00:40:44.400 --> 00:40:45.960
You know what?

908
00:40:45.960 --> 00:40:46.860
I love that thing.

909
00:40:46.920 --> 00:40:51.420
He's had some transplants and Teresa says, what?

910
00:40:51.539 --> 00:40:53.880
I think perhaps it's all of them?

911
00:40:54.300 --> 00:40:56.039
Do you know what?

912
00:40:56.039 --> 00:40:56.880
I would have loved.

913
00:40:56.940 --> 00:41:00.900
If Teresa had gone with them to the future, She could be the new

914
00:41:00.900 --> 00:41:04.019
dock session, and she'd be great, would she?

915
00:41:05.760 --> 00:41:07.679
Oh, dear.

916
00:41:07.739 --> 00:41:09.840
I just love she's Hispanic, yeah?

917
00:41:09.900 --> 00:41:11.219
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

918
00:41:11.280 --> 00:41:14.159
I love strong Hispanic women in things, you know?

919
00:41:14.219 --> 00:41:18.840
Well, I mean, the great thing about it is that she has set this

920
00:41:18.840 --> 00:41:23.159
thing up and she is she is giving medical treatment to

921
00:41:23.159 --> 00:41:29.340
undocumented immigrants so that they don't have to, you know, kind

922
00:41:29.340 --> 00:41:32.219
of interact with the authorities and stuff.

923
00:41:32.280 --> 00:41:36.179
And so this is very now, particularly in, in, um, in the United

924
00:41:36.179 --> 00:41:39.119
States now where you've got ice going crazy and just deporting

925
00:41:39.119 --> 00:41:42.119
people, you know, who turn up for work and stuff like that.

926
00:41:42.179 --> 00:41:45.480
Um, so, so like she's great.

927
00:41:45.539 --> 00:41:49.199
And Rios actually calls it our community.

928
00:41:49.260 --> 00:41:50.400
Do you know what I mean?

929
00:41:50.460 --> 00:41:54.719
Like when he's, he's referring to um, the Latino people that she

930
00:41:54.719 --> 00:41:56.519
deals with in the in the clinic.

931
00:41:56.579 --> 00:41:59.579
He says they're our community, which I think is pretty great.

932
00:41:59.639 --> 00:42:00.780
And you know what?

933
00:42:00.840 --> 00:42:04.019
They set it all up really well for him to go and I understand his

934
00:42:04.019 --> 00:42:06.960
decision and he's absolutely fallen in love.

935
00:42:07.739 --> 00:42:09.900
I'm not going to say it again.

936
00:42:09.960 --> 00:42:10.980
You know I'm going to say.

937
00:42:11.039 --> 00:42:13.440
I just want more of them, you know, and her as well.

938
00:42:13.559 --> 00:42:14.940
Yeah, yeah.

939
00:42:15.000 --> 00:42:19.559
Yeah, these scenes here between soon and what's her name in this?

940
00:42:19.559 --> 00:42:20.820
Corey.

941
00:42:20.820 --> 00:42:21.599
Corey.

942
00:42:21.659 --> 00:42:25.679
These are like the ball cube scenes in part in the 1st series.

943
00:42:25.800 --> 00:42:27.300
They cheat out of why are they here?

944
00:42:27.420 --> 00:42:32.159
yeah And the sort of the pacing then is more sluggish than it

945
00:42:32.159 --> 00:42:33.960
already was. right.

946
00:42:34.019 --> 00:42:36.360
So we have 11 minutes.

947
00:42:36.420 --> 00:42:40.380
So 11 minutes, it's 10 minutes to go in this, in this episode, and

948
00:42:40.380 --> 00:42:44.579
it's kind of like, um, we're, or we're out of the party

949
00:42:44.579 --> 00:42:45.420
completely.

950
00:42:45.480 --> 00:42:46.559
We don't go back to the party.

951
00:42:46.619 --> 00:42:47.460
That's now over.

952
00:42:47.460 --> 00:42:51.300
And now we're setting up episode 7 and I just think that's a

953
00:42:51.300 --> 00:42:51.659
mistake.

954
00:42:51.719 --> 00:42:57.059
But there is one thing in this, um, in this thing, which I think

955
00:42:57.059 --> 00:42:59.699
is really great, which is the scene coming up where Corey looks

956
00:42:59.699 --> 00:43:06.119
through Sung's records and discovers that she is one of a long

957
00:43:06.119 --> 00:43:11.820
line of children that she doesn't know about that all died.

958
00:43:12.059 --> 00:43:13.320
What's her endgame this season?

959
00:43:13.380 --> 00:43:14.519
What happens to her?

960
00:43:14.699 --> 00:43:16.679
I can't remember, actually.

961
00:43:16.739 --> 00:43:18.179
No, I can't.

962
00:43:18.179 --> 00:43:19.440
We have seen the last episode.

963
00:43:19.500 --> 00:43:20.699
Does she go with Wesley?

964
00:43:20.760 --> 00:43:21.179
I don't know.

965
00:43:21.300 --> 00:43:23.039
Maybe she goes to Wesley.

966
00:43:23.099 --> 00:43:25.199
We did, we did do the last episode.

967
00:43:25.260 --> 00:43:27.719
Take any old stray, come along.

968
00:43:27.780 --> 00:43:28.559
Be a traveller.

969
00:43:28.800 --> 00:43:32.880
I think she does, actually. she goes with Wesley at the end.

970
00:43:32.940 --> 00:43:36.480
No, I'm going to make a small confession to the unstarted Star

971
00:43:36.480 --> 00:43:40.440
Trek audience now and that is I haven't seen the last 5 minutes of

972
00:43:40.440 --> 00:43:40.980
this episode.

973
00:43:41.039 --> 00:43:44.099
So fairly soon I'm going to be quite surprised by what happens.

974
00:43:44.159 --> 00:43:48.360
What about Raffi just going so Gerardi can sing, which I just

975
00:43:48.360 --> 00:43:49.619
thought would be great.

976
00:43:49.679 --> 00:43:51.539
That's an understatement.

977
00:43:51.780 --> 00:43:56.099
I, I, you know, when they were all crowded around Picard when he

978
00:43:56.099 --> 00:43:59.880
got hit, yeah, and all the scenes here were there with him in the

979
00:43:59.880 --> 00:44:00.300
hospital.

980
00:44:00.420 --> 00:44:02.519
Oh, this crew.

981
00:44:02.579 --> 00:44:04.139
Oh, I just love them.

982
00:44:04.440 --> 00:44:08.519
That's that's the thing about this episode too, because they have

983
00:44:08.519 --> 00:44:10.079
been split into their own plots.

984
00:44:10.139 --> 00:44:13.139
Like they pretty much split up the moment they arrive in 2022.

985
00:44:13.139 --> 00:44:15.119
And then they come together.

986
00:44:15.179 --> 00:44:18.960
So this is the the episode where we have them come together.

987
00:44:19.019 --> 00:44:21.300
I love this.

988
00:44:21.300 --> 00:44:22.320
She's beautiful.

989
00:44:22.380 --> 00:44:25.920
If you put your hand between this pair, you'd get an electric

990
00:44:25.920 --> 00:44:27.780
shock and then some.

991
00:44:28.380 --> 00:44:30.239
She's stunning.

992
00:44:30.300 --> 00:44:30.900
He's excited.

993
00:44:33.539 --> 00:44:35.760
He blames the kid.

994
00:44:35.820 --> 00:44:39.840
Remember the kid, like the little boy, like her son who is just

995
00:44:39.840 --> 00:44:43.860
hanging around there and deep respect for a grown man who escaped

996
00:44:43.860 --> 00:44:45.360
Coast Cross?

997
00:44:45.420 --> 00:44:46.980
It's great.

998
00:44:48.420 --> 00:44:50.760
He's not a grown man.

999
00:44:50.820 --> 00:44:52.139
He's a bloody child.

1000
00:44:52.199 --> 00:44:52.679
Look here.

1001
00:44:53.820 --> 00:44:57.840
But this is him. is the scene where he's got to be remembering

1002
00:44:57.840 --> 00:45:01.019
what Raffi said about, you know, starting a relationship with

1003
00:45:01.019 --> 00:45:02.280
someone from a different time period.

1004
00:45:02.340 --> 00:45:04.139
That is a great exchange.

1005
00:45:04.199 --> 00:45:05.460
We're the good guys.

1006
00:45:05.519 --> 00:45:07.679
Good guys never say that.

1007
00:45:07.739 --> 00:45:09.000
That is wonderful.

1008
00:45:09.059 --> 00:45:11.940
Because she's the good guy. isn't she?

1009
00:45:12.000 --> 00:45:13.139
Do you know what I mean?

1010
00:45:13.199 --> 00:45:15.780
She's working with a group of people who are kind of oppressed and

1011
00:45:15.780 --> 00:45:19.079
harassed by the police and stuff and giving them life-saving

1012
00:45:19.079 --> 00:45:21.239
medical care like she's the good guy.

1013
00:45:21.300 --> 00:45:24.179
Oh, sassy, Hispanic women, please, in dramas.

1014
00:45:24.239 --> 00:45:26.940
Yeah, yeah, yeah. from Dexter.

1015
00:45:27.000 --> 00:45:28.739
Boy, oh boy.

1016
00:45:28.800 --> 00:45:29.940
She was such a bitch.

1017
00:45:30.000 --> 00:45:30.719
I loved her.

1018
00:45:30.780 --> 00:45:34.619
So I love, this is the 1st time that Corey ever looks her father

1019
00:45:34.619 --> 00:45:35.699
up on the internet.

1020
00:45:35.880 --> 00:45:37.559
Honestly.

1021
00:45:37.619 --> 00:45:40.679
She starts with Google and starts to discover all of this stuff.

1022
00:45:40.739 --> 00:45:43.980
Now, I have a theory here about why she's called Corey, right?

1023
00:45:44.039 --> 00:45:52.320
So when we see his records, all of the children that he mentions

1024
00:45:52.320 --> 00:45:58.260
are given ancient Greek mythical names, right?

1025
00:45:58.559 --> 00:46:01.619
So they're all given ancient Greek names.

1026
00:46:01.679 --> 00:46:04.139
There's Artemis, there's Persephone.

1027
00:46:04.199 --> 00:46:06.179
I think this little girl's called Persephone.

1028
00:46:06.239 --> 00:46:11.820
Um, uh, and there are lots of them.

1029
00:46:11.880 --> 00:46:14.039
There are lots and lots of these little children.

1030
00:46:14.099 --> 00:46:16.619
This scene reflects last year, doesn't it?

1031
00:46:16.679 --> 00:46:18.900
Where Soji had all these memories.

1032
00:46:18.960 --> 00:46:20.219
Do you know what I mean?

1033
00:46:20.280 --> 00:46:22.860
The photos that were her memories, but even though she only

1034
00:46:22.860 --> 00:46:26.219
existed for like 6 months, but she had all of these photos.

1035
00:46:26.280 --> 00:46:28.860
Now there are all these photos of her, but they're not her.

1036
00:46:28.920 --> 00:46:30.960
They're previous versions of her that die.

1037
00:46:31.019 --> 00:46:37.679
And Corey is ancient Greek for girl because at this point he's run

1038
00:46:37.679 --> 00:46:40.260
out of Greek names to give her.

1039
00:46:40.260 --> 00:46:44.099
And he, she's the last one and he just calls her girl.

1040
00:46:44.219 --> 00:46:48.059
This is so detached from the main story of this episode.

1041
00:46:48.119 --> 00:46:48.960
Oh, yeah.

1042
00:46:49.019 --> 00:46:50.039
It's so weird.

1043
00:46:50.159 --> 00:46:54.900
It's a bit like the way DS9 did those plots in the last 10 where

1044
00:46:54.900 --> 00:46:58.199
you'd have an episode about something and then they'd need to set

1045
00:46:58.199 --> 00:47:01.380
it up for the next one so you'd have this one scene jammed into

1046
00:47:01.380 --> 00:47:01.619
it.

1047
00:47:01.980 --> 00:47:06.119
Yeah, so there's a spoiler, persifasa, Artemis.

1048
00:47:06.179 --> 00:47:10.380
You know, Proserpina, like all of these names, Proserpina is

1049
00:47:10.380 --> 00:47:11.400
actually Latin, but whatever.

1050
00:47:11.460 --> 00:47:14.940
The fact that you and I can't remember what comes with this is

1051
00:47:14.940 --> 00:47:16.920
telling as well.

1052
00:47:16.980 --> 00:47:19.920
Yeah, well, the fact that she's just a loose end that gets, you

1053
00:47:19.920 --> 00:47:23.280
know, kind of swept up, I Will Wheaton in the final episode, I

1054
00:47:23.280 --> 00:47:24.300
think, from memory.

1055
00:47:24.420 --> 00:47:28.320
It is really giving them something to do.

1056
00:47:28.320 --> 00:47:33.840
And so Q tries and gets him involved in the plot.

1057
00:47:33.900 --> 00:47:38.340
It might be Q. Oh, yeah, because the future, the, the, um, the

1058
00:47:38.340 --> 00:47:44.400
future is a future where Adam Sung invents, uh, the, the, um

1059
00:47:44.400 --> 00:47:46.980
barrier that saves them from the...

1060
00:47:47.039 --> 00:47:49.380
Oh, okay, so they're not all bad guys, and these songs.

1061
00:47:49.440 --> 00:47:52.019
No, no, he's he wants that.

1062
00:47:52.079 --> 00:47:53.820
He wants that glory, you know?

1063
00:47:53.880 --> 00:47:54.840
You are right, though.

1064
00:47:54.900 --> 00:47:57.420
What you said earlier about, have they shifted the party out of

1065
00:47:57.420 --> 00:48:00.900
last week into this, and the whole episode was just at the party.

1066
00:48:00.960 --> 00:48:04.199
I would absolutely remember this as the party episode.

1067
00:48:04.320 --> 00:48:05.039
Yeah, yeah.

1068
00:48:05.099 --> 00:48:05.519
Yeah.

1069
00:48:05.579 --> 00:48:10.139
And because there is all this other stuff, maybe that's why maybe

1070
00:48:10.139 --> 00:48:13.199
that's why they had to shift that there because they were putting

1071
00:48:13.199 --> 00:48:15.960
all this stuff here, which was setting up next week.

1072
00:48:16.260 --> 00:48:18.780
It's a bit disjointed.

1073
00:48:18.840 --> 00:48:20.639
It is a bit disjointed.

1074
00:48:20.699 --> 00:48:23.460
And I do think, you know, the party has a natural climax, a double

1075
00:48:23.460 --> 00:48:27.420
climax, which is the song and then the persuasion scene.

1076
00:48:27.480 --> 00:48:30.599
Does all of Brady have a sonic screwdriver there?

1077
00:48:30.659 --> 00:48:31.619
It looks like she does.

1078
00:48:31.679 --> 00:48:32.579
Yeah, she does.

1079
00:48:32.639 --> 00:48:33.960
Okay.

1080
00:48:34.019 --> 00:48:36.239
Now we're doing what, young Picard?

1081
00:48:36.599 --> 00:48:38.159
Yeah.

1082
00:48:38.340 --> 00:48:38.699
Yeah.

1083
00:48:38.760 --> 00:48:41.579
So these weird flashbacks with the mother and Will's get to see

1084
00:48:41.579 --> 00:48:44.519
the father next week and stuff like that and we'll learn how she

1085
00:48:44.519 --> 00:48:48.659
died and why she wasn't a sweet old lady like she is in lowly

1086
00:48:48.659 --> 00:48:50.159
among us because she's already dead.

1087
00:48:50.219 --> 00:48:54.420
It was, it was so focussed the 1st half of this.

1088
00:48:54.480 --> 00:48:58.440
I now feel as if I'm involved in 20 directions.

1089
00:48:58.559 --> 00:49:02.280
Well, it's like you fall asleep and you wake up in the next

1090
00:49:02.280 --> 00:49:03.599
episode suddenly.

1091
00:49:03.900 --> 00:49:08.159
Like, I do think that that scene where Corey finds out her origin

1092
00:49:08.159 --> 00:49:09.719
is. well done.

1093
00:49:09.780 --> 00:49:10.860
That's well done.

1094
00:49:10.920 --> 00:49:13.619
It's not hugely exciting or innovative or something, but it's just

1095
00:49:13.619 --> 00:49:14.760
well told, I think.

1096
00:49:14.820 --> 00:49:18.480
Well, it just it does remind me of, you know, O'Brien delivering

1097
00:49:18.480 --> 00:49:21.780
crab rolls and going, well, I wonder if section 31 will turn up on

1098
00:49:21.780 --> 00:49:22.079
the station.

1099
00:49:22.139 --> 00:49:24.300
Now you know about the changing virus.

1100
00:49:24.480 --> 00:49:26.760
Stay stay tuned, folks.

1101
00:49:28.139 --> 00:49:30.239
Yes, yeah.

1102
00:49:30.300 --> 00:49:32.280
So I can't remember.

1103
00:49:32.340 --> 00:49:35.460
Oh, yes, no, I can remember where this ends, but this is all just

1104
00:49:35.460 --> 00:49:37.800
setting up the next episode, isn't it?

1105
00:49:37.860 --> 00:49:40.019
is explaining the premise of the next episode.

1106
00:49:40.079 --> 00:49:44.579
Is it so we can go straight into the next episode and that, do you

1107
00:49:44.579 --> 00:49:45.059
know what I mean?

1108
00:49:45.119 --> 00:49:48.539
is what they're trying to do is front load the episodes with the

1109
00:49:48.539 --> 00:49:50.039
story.

1110
00:49:50.099 --> 00:49:53.340
The next one in the exposition, the previously. straight into the

1111
00:49:53.340 --> 00:49:57.480
past into flashbacks of Picard as a kid in the next episode.

1112
00:49:57.539 --> 00:49:59.820
So I suppose, yeah, we're doing a bit of the legwork.

1113
00:49:59.880 --> 00:50:02.519
You know, I'm not really worrying about the setup.

1114
00:50:02.579 --> 00:50:06.840
I'm more having a sort of sexuality epiphany looking at Jerry Ryan

1115
00:50:06.840 --> 00:50:07.260
in that dress.

1116
00:50:07.320 --> 00:50:09.300
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1117
00:50:09.360 --> 00:50:11.760
Oh, no, there's Rios. back on track.

1118
00:50:13.739 --> 00:50:17.219
That outfit, holy crap, he's beautiful.

1119
00:50:17.280 --> 00:50:18.300
I can't get over it.

1120
00:50:18.719 --> 00:50:21.960
I've never seen such a group of actually models in my life.

1121
00:50:22.019 --> 00:50:22.500
I know.

1122
00:50:22.559 --> 00:50:23.280
I know.

1123
00:50:23.340 --> 00:50:26.699
Patrick Stewart must have been like, would you please stop

1124
00:50:26.699 --> 00:50:28.619
surrounding me with these young hot people?

1125
00:50:29.219 --> 00:50:33.960
I mean, absolutely Santiago is the hottest person who has ever

1126
00:50:33.960 --> 00:50:38.579
been a regular in a Star Trek by a mile. by some margin.

1127
00:50:38.699 --> 00:50:43.559
The only person I'd probably say yes to over him would be Cisco on

1128
00:50:43.559 --> 00:50:44.099
the right day.

1129
00:50:44.159 --> 00:50:45.420
Yeah.

1130
00:50:45.420 --> 00:50:51.119
And then this final scene, one thing that we do get is this

1131
00:50:51.119 --> 00:50:58.199
beautiful final shot, which is just Agnes slash the Borg queen, in

1132
00:50:58.199 --> 00:51:04.800
the dress, holding her shoes, and just walking along the street

1133
00:51:04.800 --> 00:51:08.579
out into Los Angeles, dress is swaying in the wind.

1134
00:51:08.699 --> 00:51:10.980
What is going to do?

1135
00:51:11.039 --> 00:51:13.679
Like what the fuck is she going to do now?

1136
00:51:13.739 --> 00:51:15.599
That's magnificent.

1137
00:51:15.659 --> 00:51:17.760
I think that is a great final shot.

1138
00:51:17.820 --> 00:51:20.280
The ball queen is loose in history.

1139
00:51:20.340 --> 00:51:22.019
Exactly, right.

1140
00:51:22.019 --> 00:51:23.099
God help us all.

1141
00:51:23.159 --> 00:51:24.059
Yeah.

1142
00:51:24.059 --> 00:51:27.420
Actually, that was a money shot there, wasn't it?

1143
00:51:27.480 --> 00:51:28.980
Yeah, yeah, just incredible.

1144
00:51:29.039 --> 00:51:31.260
Jonathan knows it's an important moment.

1145
00:51:31.320 --> 00:51:32.039
He said, you know what?

1146
00:51:32.099 --> 00:51:33.599
Wait, wait, where are the street lights?

1147
00:51:33.659 --> 00:51:36.300
Oh, God, we can even get some lens flaring. lets go.

1148
00:51:36.420 --> 00:51:37.679
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1149
00:51:37.739 --> 00:51:39.239
It is pretty is pretty great.

1150
00:51:39.300 --> 00:51:44.880
Although, you know, I don't like these end bits of dialogue.

1151
00:51:44.940 --> 00:51:45.960
Did you hear what Rafi said?

1152
00:51:46.079 --> 00:51:48.420
Oh, how much worse could it possibly get?

1153
00:51:48.480 --> 00:51:51.239
Which leads into that thing. that child.

1154
00:51:51.300 --> 00:51:53.699
But, but you see, it still works.

1155
00:51:53.760 --> 00:51:56.760
You still have that final shot if it's the party episode.

1156
00:51:56.820 --> 00:52:00.300
If we don't do the setup for episode 7 in this episode and we just

1157
00:52:00.300 --> 00:52:05.099
do the party, then it can still end with, you know, they go off

1158
00:52:05.099 --> 00:52:08.820
with Picard in the ambulance or whatever in the car to kind of, you

1159
00:52:08.820 --> 00:52:13.139
know, save him and and she strides off into the night to do

1160
00:52:13.139 --> 00:52:14.639
goodness knows what.

1161
00:52:14.760 --> 00:52:17.940
You know, like, I think that that, that just, I can't even

1162
00:52:17.940 --> 00:52:18.840
remember what she gets up to.

1163
00:52:18.900 --> 00:52:19.500
What does she do?

1164
00:52:19.559 --> 00:52:20.699
No I can't remember.

1165
00:52:21.960 --> 00:52:24.360
See what I'll say about series 2.

1166
00:52:24.599 --> 00:52:27.000
So some of the details are a bit foggy.

1167
00:52:27.059 --> 00:52:31.800
It has been 3 years now, I think, at this point, just more than 3

1168
00:52:31.800 --> 00:52:32.099
years.

1169
00:52:32.099 --> 00:52:33.960
And I've only seen it once.

1170
00:52:34.019 --> 00:52:38.340
So it's not like 30-year-old episodes of Star Trek, their

1171
00:52:38.340 --> 00:52:40.440
acceleration that I've seen dozens of times.

1172
00:52:40.500 --> 00:52:44.760
You know, notice how well-informed I am every time we go back to

1173
00:52:44.760 --> 00:52:45.659
Dune Space 9.

1174
00:52:45.719 --> 00:52:49.019
When I watch the card, I spend most of the episode going, what's

1175
00:52:49.019 --> 00:52:49.679
that person's name?

1176
00:52:49.739 --> 00:52:50.579
Who were they?

1177
00:52:50.579 --> 00:52:56.159
Although the pertinent points of Picard, yeah?

1178
00:52:56.219 --> 00:52:58.739
You know, of one, 2, and three.

1179
00:52:58.800 --> 00:53:00.719
I can still remember very vividly.

1180
00:53:00.780 --> 00:53:03.719
You know, Gold Dukut's skull in that museum.

1181
00:53:03.780 --> 00:53:04.739
I'll never forget.

1182
00:53:04.800 --> 00:53:06.960
Yeah, Martok's there too, I think.

1183
00:53:07.019 --> 00:53:09.960
When they 1st walk onto the Bridge of the Enterprise in free.

1184
00:53:10.019 --> 00:53:11.880
Well, no one's ever going to forget that, you know.

1185
00:53:11.940 --> 00:53:18.059
They spent 2 days hoovering that carpet in preparation.

1186
00:53:18.119 --> 00:53:22.980
I would like to issue a personal thank you to Jonathan Frakes for

1187
00:53:22.980 --> 00:53:26.039
turning off the power to the roller coaster this week and just

1188
00:53:26.039 --> 00:53:27.420
stately directing the party.

1189
00:53:27.480 --> 00:53:28.320
Thank you very much.

1190
00:53:28.380 --> 00:53:35.579
It was very stylishly directed, but without your usual dynamism

1191
00:53:35.579 --> 00:53:36.300
shall we say?

1192
00:53:36.360 --> 00:53:38.820
Well, I think that's the Discovery House style.

1193
00:53:38.880 --> 00:53:41.820
I think when discovery comes back.

1194
00:53:41.880 --> 00:53:45.719
It's very keen to say, this is not Star Trek, the Next Generation

1195
00:53:45.719 --> 00:53:51.780
and immediately it's just visually impressive and spectacular. did

1196
00:53:51.780 --> 00:53:53.880
that when it murdered off the captain in the 1st episode.

1197
00:53:53.940 --> 00:53:55.139
Yeah, yeah.

1198
00:53:55.199 --> 00:53:58.679
But I mean, just remember the scenes like, you know, Burnham doing

1199
00:53:58.679 --> 00:54:01.559
the EV thing and then Burnham trapped in the brig.

1200
00:54:01.619 --> 00:54:03.960
Oh, the exterior of the ship.

1201
00:54:04.079 --> 00:54:05.400
Yeah, amazing.

1202
00:54:05.460 --> 00:54:07.380
Like, it just looked magnificent.

1203
00:54:07.440 --> 00:54:09.300
And so that's the house style going forward.

1204
00:54:09.360 --> 00:54:10.739
It is unlike the others.

1205
00:54:10.800 --> 00:54:12.119
Not to leave the point.

1206
00:54:12.179 --> 00:54:16.920
I do like a character scene to be actor focussed rather than

1207
00:54:16.920 --> 00:54:18.719
director focussed.

1208
00:54:18.780 --> 00:54:22.500
And there are there are times in discovery where I'm just very

1209
00:54:22.500 --> 00:54:25.800
aware of the director doing tricks.

1210
00:54:25.860 --> 00:54:29.340
Whereas that scene with Renee and Picard here, it was more

1211
00:54:29.340 --> 00:54:33.599
impressive that it was just the 2 of them acting and Jonathan said

1212
00:54:33.599 --> 00:54:37.260
nope, yeah, keep the camera still or maybe just move it an inch to

1213
00:54:37.260 --> 00:54:38.940
the left just to show we're still here.

1214
00:54:39.000 --> 00:54:41.880
There's gentle movements and there's things with depth or field

1215
00:54:41.880 --> 00:54:45.179
and it cuts between them a bit more frequently than you would do

1216
00:54:45.179 --> 00:54:46.860
in 90s trek.

1217
00:54:46.920 --> 00:54:50.940
It's still impressive and stylish, but it is just letting the

1218
00:54:50.940 --> 00:54:51.780
actors do their thing.

1219
00:54:51.840 --> 00:54:54.780
And that's the most important scene in the episode.

1220
00:54:54.780 --> 00:54:56.159
And I think it's really good.

1221
00:54:56.280 --> 00:55:00.780
This episode, I think, encapsulates to quite well, actually.

1222
00:55:00.840 --> 00:55:05.159
I think we did quite a good pick to for like the house style or

1223
00:55:05.159 --> 00:55:06.420
two, which is, do you know what?

1224
00:55:06.480 --> 00:55:07.380
It is flawed.

1225
00:55:07.440 --> 00:55:11.340
There are plotting issues within the episode and the season.

1226
00:55:11.400 --> 00:55:15.960
It's full of great moments and it has great characters that you

1227
00:55:15.960 --> 00:55:20.280
want to hang out with. and it is impressively executed.

1228
00:55:29.400 --> 00:55:30.780
All right, it's the end of the episode.

1229
00:55:30.840 --> 00:55:33.960
It's time for us to find out where we're going next.

1230
00:55:34.019 --> 00:55:40.380
This was my choice, and so the randomiser is in your hands, Joe

1231
00:55:40.380 --> 00:55:41.159
what are you going to do?

1232
00:55:41.219 --> 00:55:46.559
What's, you know, if your cliche is or rather your, the joke that

1233
00:55:46.559 --> 00:55:49.679
we do now because you don't pick enterprise anymore, but your kink

1234
00:55:49.679 --> 00:55:52.619
is, just wait till next week. choosing enterprise.

1235
00:55:52.679 --> 00:55:55.019
What's my ink with the randomiser?

1236
00:55:55.079 --> 00:55:57.420
Just pressing all the buttons.

1237
00:55:58.079 --> 00:56:01.079
Then you're not gonna be disappointed today.

1238
00:56:01.860 --> 00:56:03.599
It could be anything.

1239
00:56:03.659 --> 00:56:06.000
The whole length and breadth.

1240
00:56:06.059 --> 00:56:08.340
For some reason, I've kept the movies in as well, but we won't be

1241
00:56:08.340 --> 00:56:08.760
doing a movie.

1242
00:56:08.880 --> 00:56:10.440
Okay.

1243
00:56:10.500 --> 00:56:14.099
Oh, we won't be doing this one either, but it's worth mentioning.

1244
00:56:14.099 --> 00:56:19.980
Your random Star Trek Voyager episode is season 3, episode 16

1245
00:56:19.980 --> 00:56:20.820
Blood Fever.

1246
00:56:21.420 --> 00:56:24.659
Now, uh, too much, Tom Paris.

1247
00:56:24.719 --> 00:56:28.500
It's about B'lana getting the Pomfara, right.

1248
00:56:28.559 --> 00:56:31.500
She takes it off of Shuvok, but then it becomes all about Tom

1249
00:56:31.500 --> 00:56:34.440
Paris given her permission to fuck him.

1250
00:56:34.500 --> 00:56:35.519
Of course.

1251
00:56:35.579 --> 00:56:36.840
Yuck.

1252
00:56:36.900 --> 00:56:39.179
Yeah, no, let's not have that.

1253
00:56:39.239 --> 00:56:40.320
Let's go somewhere.

1254
00:56:40.380 --> 00:56:41.880
Oh, okay.

1255
00:56:41.940 --> 00:56:45.539
Your random Star Trek Duty Face 9 episode is season four, episode

1256
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23 to the deaf.

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Now that's the, obviously, the reappearance of the Iconian

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Gateway.

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It's a big sort of Jemhadar episode, the 1st appearance of Jeffrey

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Coombs as Wei Yoon, where they kill him off.

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Ooh, I'll let you decide on that.

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I'm happy to press again.

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I'm kind of intrigued.

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And, um, Yeah, it does give us things to talk about.

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I didn't know that Jeffrey Coombes came in quite so late as that.

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So he's right at the end. of series four.

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There's a wonderful quote where they watched the rushes and went

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oh, what did we do when he shot?

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I mean, it's directed by LeVar as well.

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It's got quite a lot of action on it and location work.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I mean, we did...

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Deep Space 9 last time.

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But remember, not too long ago, we did 2 consecutive weeks of

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lower decks.

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So I think that we can probably afford to go back and have another

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look at another later era of Deep Space 9.

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I promise you this.

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It's full of Gemadal.

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So latex stocks were high.

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Excellent.

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Well, that's what you expect from Deep Space 9, is it?

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I'm mostly there for the laz eggs.

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Okay, you fancy a bloody battle?

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By the iconi in the gateway?

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Let's do it.

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Yep.

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Yeah.

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Okay, awesome.

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Let's do it.

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You've been listening to entitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford

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and Nathan Bottomley, where online at untitled Star Trek Project

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com, where you can find subscription links and links to our social

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media accounts.

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Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Ciceran and the theme was composed

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by Cameron Lamb.

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This episode was recorded on the 24th of June 2025 and released on

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the 27th of June.

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We'll see you next time for Star Trek Deep Space 9 to the death.

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I don't know what I think about that one.

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I haven't seen it for ages.

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To the death to the death.

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Well, I've got new better versions of Deep Space 9, so I can, oh

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no, I don't.

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What did I get better versions of?

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I've got better versions of Picard so that I could get a better

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screenshot.

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I think I'm actually convinced now that the screenshot that I

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chose for Picard is too late, is too early in that shot and it

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should really be the very...

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Yeah, with the leg with the light, all of the flares.

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Like, you know, like I chose from just before the lens flare came

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in, um, co-starring.

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Cute waiter.

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Alexander Chen. officially gets out of it.

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It gets one BM from Jamma.

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Uh, to the death or this?

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To the deaf.

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Well, I'll see what he gives this.

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Oh, no, I'm too scared.

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Look, he's so mean.

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He's so mean about...

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You know, I have huge reservations, but I'm much kinder.

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It's still good telling.

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Star Trek to do what it's always done before, I think, is the

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problem.

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You don't want to know.

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One.

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Two.

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But it's still less than a bam.

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So less than a bam.

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But I mean, it had, doesn't it get like 3 extra stars just for the

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song?

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Yes.

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I would give it an extra, at least one extra star.

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I'll give it an extra star for the song.

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Well, he only does four.

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Yeah, three.

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Three stars for the song.

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So 6.5 out of four. that's perfectly reasonable.

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What an intriguing rating system you have.

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I never put things out of numbers until, unless someone tells me

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that their podcast requires it, that they have an algorithm where

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they have to kind of add up everyone's numbers.

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You know what I might do, Nathan.

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I might actually do some proper research for the next episode.

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I might try and figure out if I can find out some things about the

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Iconians.

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Oh, yeah.

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Because they don't go into a lot of detail.

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There's just a gateway there where it's so funny as well because I

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think I seem to remember they've got all like the stock planets of

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Deep Space 9 that it's sort of zaps between, but it's all the

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match shots that they've done since it's the 1st episode.

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Of course.

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Including the angel one planet.

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I think that's there as well.

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But is the, is the Iconians like, are they, is that...

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The Iconian Gateway, wait, is that in contagion?

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It is in contagion.

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Is it the one where there's 22 datas, you know, where he's sort of

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going across the...

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I think contagion is the one where, um, is it Carolyn Seymour's in

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it?

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Carolyn Seymour does 2 turns as a Romulan sub-commander.

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One is face of the enemy and the other one's in season 2 of Star

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Trek, the Next Generation, an episode called Contagion.

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Maybe there are 2 daters.

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I can't remember.

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It's about a computer virus that gets that comes through the the

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portal.

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It destroys the other galaxy class starship, the Yamamoso, like it

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explodes.

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Um, And it, it, there's a Romulan thing there.

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I mean it's a very forgettable series 2 episode.

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I haven't seen it for a long time.

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I just remember this one.

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It's a rogue group of Gemadar that have gained access to the

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gateway and that's why they have to go after them.

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So they team up with, you know, the Jemadar from the Dominion to

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go after them and murder them.

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That's why they have a massive battle at the end with...

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It looks like a very hot day.

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I just remember it's really sunny when they shoot it.

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But it's only in those 2 episodes.

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I thought the Iconian gateway. like they must get mentioned

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elsewhere.

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There does get a mention in, oh, there's an Iconians.

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No, there's a there's some reference to it.

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You know where I'll be able to find out something about it.

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Andre Bormanis is.

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Science, technology books.

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He'll have something about the gateway in there, I'm sure.

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So remember that gateway that gets them to Nepenthe in Picard

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series one?

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So they're on the board cube, and they get to the gateway, and

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little, uh, Elanor stays behind to kind of defend them while

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Picard and Soji head off to Nepenthe, uh, and they travel a long

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distance.

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And then we discover that it's technology that the Borg have

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assimilated from the horrible people in prime factors.

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Do you know what I mean?

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Who had the technology to take them?

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Night years forward, doesn't it?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So that's where that came from.

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Which I just think is great because those people are such

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fucking...

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That guy with a South African accent.

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Captain Janeware, yeah.

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Yeah, whatever accent he's doing the accent.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And he gets, so presumably he's a Borg now, which is a happy

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ending for us anyway.

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They forget nothing.

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No.