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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So we're back.

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It's Star Trek, the Next Generation series 6, episode 15, Tapestry

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which is written by Ronald D. Moore, as we'll soon become apparent

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and directed by Les Landau.

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How did you find this one?

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It's a banger.

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I mean, written by Ronald D. Moore. an endorsement.

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Directed by Les Lando.

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It could go either way. you know, it's our sort of workman like

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director that's done 500 90s trek episodes.

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Fortunately, he's realised he's got a banger here and I think this

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is really well executed.

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Me too.

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I mean, it's stately.

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It's still TNG.

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Sure.

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But we're going to new places. you know, we're going back in

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time.

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It tells a complex story and he does it comprehensively.

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Um, yeah, I think, oh, I'd see season six, chain of command aside

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this might be the best episode of season six.

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I think it's absolutely top tier Star Trek, one of the best

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episodes ever.

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And watching it this time convinced me that it might even be

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better than I thought it was.

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You know, the premise is pretty straightforward and it's familiar

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to Americans, particularly, who tend to know the film.

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It's a wonderful life quite well.

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And it is very similar to that.

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And what really strikes me this time is just how incredibly great

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John Delancey's performance is.

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And, you know, when you go back and watch him in hide and cue or

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an encounter at Farpoint, and he's really stiff and he's kind of

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awkward.

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Overly theatrical, is it?

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Yeah, yeah.

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He's not quite sure how to play it.

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And I think he's kind of reading it that he's a rather foreboding

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and scary character.

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He's not cuddly in any way.

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And I think with Deja Q. You know, like he starts to come back.

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I think might be the 1st time.

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That's when he knows, okay, they're the bad guys.

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I'm just the comedy on the side.

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Yeah, yeah, maybe you're right.

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Maybe you're right.

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But certainly in data Q when he's kind of vulnerable and stuff and

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he's part of the crew and annoying sitcom Q, exactly.

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And and the show does tend to lean into that later with things

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like true Q, but this is different, isn't it?

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Like this is not quite a Twilight zone episode.

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It's not a sort of standard Star Trek episode.

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And I think this episode is the reason why we have Picard and Q in

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season 2 of Picard, where that relationship is the central

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relationship, because it's an episode where Q is teaching Picard

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that being like Q isn't such a bad thing after all.

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And I think it's really great and it's humane as well.

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Like Q is kinder to Picard than Picard expects and just the 2 of

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them together are so good.

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The 2 central performances here are so great and Q is so relaxed

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and so funny and so likeable in it.

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It's just excellent.

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Funny as well though, right?

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All those different roles that Q plays throughout this episode.

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Is there a Gene Luck Pickard here anywhere?

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You know, he is very, very funny as well.

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I don't think Patrick Stewart is a slouch in this episode, either

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who has to play Captain Picard, as we know and love him, who has

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to play a version of himself as a younger man, but as Captain

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Picard, and then has to play a version of Captain Picard, that

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never made it as a captain, and it's a bit of a failure at life

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and he does, oh, for free, so adeptly.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I was really struck this time through and how different.

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It's not a massive difference. you know, like it's not a

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caricature.

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He's not playing a completely different character.

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But there's a weird charmlessness to that version of Picard at the

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end of the episode in the blue uniform, which I think is really

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just very well done.

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It's really well charged.

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It just looks so forlorn and without authority. so unlike how he

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behaves usually as Captain Picard.

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Do you know what I love as well?

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is there was a period in 90s television where there was a lot of

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genre stuff on, right?

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The X-Files, Stargate, Buffy, Star Trek.

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There was, you know, shit heaps of TV coming out.

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And those big movies.

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It's a wonderful life, Groundhog Day, a Christmas carol.

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They all did their own versions of the big movies and the big

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premises.

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And what was really fun was seeing how they absorbed those ideas

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into their TV show.

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And I think he takes.

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It's a wonderful life and absorbs it into TNG in a way that I

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haven't really seen it done before.

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And I think Picard is the key because it's Picard.

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And the punishment he gets for not taking risks.

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You know, it's such a great listen, mind you, I was watching this

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going, you know, Joe, you leave a very sort of structured, rigid

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and ordered, risk-free life.

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Perhaps you should be...

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This could be why you're still stuck in shelves in the supermarket

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you know?

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There are some lessons to take from this.

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I have to say that I would be quite content working on the

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enterprise, doing analyses and running tests for my superiors.

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Would you?

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That sounds so boring to me.

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And I think it'd be fun.

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A lot of technical.

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I'd like to be like Gynon on the ship. you know, handing out the

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drinks and getting all the golfs.

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What I think is great too, is that... that there's something here

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about the wisdom of Picard as a young man. which I hadn't really

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picked up on before, which I think is really generous.

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And, you know, it's not just ourselves as young people that we're

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critical of.

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As you get older, you start to become critical of young people

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generally.

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And 21 year old Picard is kind of a shadow.

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He's an absence here because his role's been taken by present day

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Picard. is very well defined though.

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He is, and I really, really began to respect him for being so good

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at negotiating the world that he finds himself in.

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And it's interesting to see how he inept Al Picard is that dealing

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with that.

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So that Johnny.

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And I think the genius of giving his own name. given, you know, a

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name that we had never heard to mind referred to by, you know, like

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he's a sort of secret person that's a sort of a version of Picard

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that was hitherto unexpected, that Johnny is better at being

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Johnny than than Picard is.

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And that's the lesson that Picard has to learn is that Johnny was

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in his own way kind of good and clever and loyal and all of those

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sorts of things that Picard didn't recognise in him.

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And so I think there's something in it about accepting ourselves

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as young people, but also accepting young people as they negotiate

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the world on their terms, a world that they experience that's

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different from the world that we experience.

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So I just thought that was really warm and humane and really

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excellent.

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It reminds me of one of the other things I love about television

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which is the great unseen characters in programs, you know, that

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I've mentioned a lot, Curzon, Dax, things like that.

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But they're so well defined, despite the fact that you've never

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ever seen them.

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And, you know, you can't see them because that would ruin all the

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work that they've done or maybe it would be a bit of a letdown.

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Yeah, god this was wonderful.

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It is a wonderful life.

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Look, before we go into the episode, I have to say that I have

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been sort of exploring the bookshops on flea markets of Eastbourne

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lately, and I'm very, very pleased to inform you and everybody

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else that I have in fact found Bogeyman by Mel Gilden with Wesley

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Crossout, the haircut I used to.

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This is the very picture I used to take to the hairdressers all

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the time and say, make me look like that.

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Oh my god.

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The trouble is now, I have taken a picture of this.

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So I can put this out with the episode.

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Unfortunately, yes, he did make my hair look like this, but I look

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like this.

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So I, I, in no way as pretty as Will Wheaton was when he was a

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young man, but, um, you know, he looks very serious there.

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I can't remember.

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Fuck all about the book if I'm honest.

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I did read the back of it before I came on the call and it sounded

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extremely boring indeed.

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The tagline on the front cover is Wesley's childhood fears come to

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life.

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And take over the Enterprise.

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Oh, my God.

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So it sounds like a good, you know, season two-ish sort of

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episode.

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It does.

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It does. very much so.

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I think we should watch this absolute masterpiece, you know.

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I think we absolutely should.

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All right.

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I will count us in in that case.

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Five, four, three, two, one, and we're off.

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Now, something happens in this scene.

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So this is a kind of ER scene, isn't it?

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It looks very stately by our standards.

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It's hard not to imagine it with steady cam and stuff like that.

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But Beverly tells everyone to get out of the way.

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Strap out of the way, people are entering the scene.

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And then this incredible kind of tableau of people beat me.

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But all of the extras are out of the way so they're not, you know

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being covered by the, which I just think is...

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We never usually do that sort of thing.

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No one ever says step out the way.

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They're beaming in.

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Yeah, but we often leave sort of big blank gaps in the shop.

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We've noticed a few, haven't we?

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Yeah, that was all I could think of.

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Yeah.

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Well, it's just because they usually hold the camera there for

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about 15 seconds and you're like, oh, come on now.

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We know someone's gonna appear behind you.

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That is a nasty wound he's got there.

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Yeah, yeah.

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No, it just looks like they've melted his outfit.

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I really like Jonathan acting in this.

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Do you think too, this scene here is reminiscent of Tasha Yar

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dying?

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Like, there's absence of a big blob on earth.

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But he does have a big blob on his shirt, but she puts those

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things on his head and it doesn't work.

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And I wonder whether that's definitely there.

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This is the best into the music line we ever have.

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So good.

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It's so good.

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Welcome to the Old Life.

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You're dead.

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I kind of wish they had done.

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It's very clear that it's meant to be a sort of Michelangelo thing

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with, you know, God reaching out his finger to Adam and we don't

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quite stage it like that.

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And I think probably it's too obviously John Delancey right from

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the beginning.

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That's really annoying because he steps into the light, doesn't

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he?

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And then it's suddenly John DeLancey.

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Yeah.

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It's so out of it.

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Oh, clearly him.

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Oh, well.

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Yeah, never mind.

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They were doing this stuff in a hurry, you know, we're lucky it's

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as good as it is.

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Well, in fact, I think the white void, and this is kind of the 1st

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use of it, is really, really effective here.

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Especially when they're staging fights and things like that.

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I think that's genius.

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I think that's really really good.

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When we stage the battle between young Picard and the Norsican and

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we do it in that white void with the with the 2 of them looking on

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I think it's really excellent.

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Do you think they got the idea then?

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They're sort of going to do emissaries. soon and go, oh.

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We'll use that white void again, you know.

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Yeah, we've just got it out the back.

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Yeah, I'm in, uh, deep space now, no, we're sort of smear Vaseline

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all over the lens, and it's all a bit fuzzy.

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It could just be because it's anesty.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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No, this one's very crisp.

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Like, I think it always was sort of pretty crisp.

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Um, I love the dialogue here in the next in the when we come

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back.

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And where he just says, this is the afterlife, and I'm God.

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And like, I just think that, like, Stuart's reaction is so great.

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That's what he's saying, so funny.

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I refuse to believe the afterlife is so badly run or something.

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No, no, he says, you are not God.

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Like just straight away.

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He lives.

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It's so well done.

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Like just the 2 of them are instantly brilliant together, I

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think.

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What is great about this as well is they've had so much time

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together now.

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Picard and Q. Yeah.

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They're such a shorthand to this stuff.

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We could just go straight in on the amazing premise of Q. You know

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controlling the afterlife and you just run with it because we know

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what Q's capable of.

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We know he can do all of this stuff.

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So maybe, maybe he is.

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Yeah, maybe he is.

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Well, I mean, he actually, like he does say, you know, I can give

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your life, you know, take your life away and give it back to you

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again with a click of my fingers if you've never seen Star Trek

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before.

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It's still comprehensible who this person is.

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The title tapestry is very good, but my one issue with this

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episode is the fact that...

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The reason for the title is explained in the last scene.

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Thank you, Jean-Luc.

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Blasphemy.

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Under the inep administrations of Dr. Beverly Crusher.

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Yes.

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Finally somebody said it.

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It's so funny.

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Georgia has, she's quite pretty mad, actually. isn't he?

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Yeah, he's got a very very period look, I think.

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I think he looks good as he's got older.

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I certainly like him a lot in series 2 of Macar.

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Oh, this is great.

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Bringing in his dad.

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And it's, have we seen him before?

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The dad?

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No.

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So we see the mother contradicting Picard series two, I think.

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We see the mother in...

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Where no one has gone before?

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Where no one has gone before.

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Here, presumably the father's dead.

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We're trying to prove this is the afterlife.

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So we bring his dead father here.

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And, you know, he looks shocked like that's how that's how

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Stuart's playing it, but he knows it's bullshit.

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It's just Q annoying him.

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But I love the people you've killed thing.

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Like, you know, here coming up is the sound of everyone that

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you've killed.

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Oh, that is chilling.

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But this is retro, like it's rewriting.

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Captain Picard. because this in no way was this in their mind when

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they made series one and he's that stiff bug up the butt, Captain

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Picard that doesn't want to make an ass of himself with children.

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I just always got the impression he'd always been a bit like

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this.

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Go watch family again.

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And, you know, he's always, yeah, you were always the career man.

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You were always, you know, you weren't the family man.

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You know, you were always on the way up.

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I don't think we see a lot of this until now.

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Except remember that this is from a series 2 episode.

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This premise.

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This is a hanging thread from series 2, and I absolutely meant to

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look it up before coming on the recording.

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Did you ever find out why you just find out that he was stabbed?

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I know, I think the Norticans are actually mentioned.

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I think that I think that the Norticans are actually mentioned in

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dialogue in that series 2 episode.

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So I think that it is set up as an idea.

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And it kind of, so this is him investigating that.

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So more takes something that's been set up and never followed up.

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But the sniff that he was this sort of fiery rebel in his youth.

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I don't think there's much of that before this, but it's so

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great.

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It makes Picard so much more interesting to say that he sort of

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rejected that, well, maybe less interesting, but...

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He certainly kind of becomes an old fuddy duddy in that final

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scene after all he's learned.

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Q just tosses him his fake heart.

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I really like how Q doesn't know as well. or at least pretends not

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to know.

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And it's kind of like, why is he doing this?

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Why is he starting this?

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And I also like the idea too.

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That no one else sees Q. This is all happening in his head while

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he's on the operating table.

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And so no one else is aware that Hugh's been involved in this, and

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that's kind of the interesting thing about the final scene if

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there is anything.

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Not only is this fight with the Norsecon, a great fight.

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Like, it is really well done.

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The, like you said, the white background makes it really stark as

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well.

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But this is the bit I was messaging you about earlier, where he's

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stabbed in the back and he looks at the knife and literally

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covered in blood, protruding from his chest and laughs, and that

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is so an, that's not TNG at all.

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That's really, it is, like, you'd expect him just to fall to the

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floor.

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But it just made me feel really sort of uncomfortable.

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But, but the great thing is, and it's a little bit of a shame

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because they lampshaded here.

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So you have Q saying it's so unlike you, Jean-Luc, to have a sense

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of humour.

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And the thing is that by the end of the episode, we know why he

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was laughing.

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Do you know what I mean?

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Like, maybe Picard looking at that flashback doesn't remember why

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Johnny laughs at that point, but we know why he laughs because he

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knows that he's getting his life back.

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And I just think that's so brilliant.

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So it's an unanswered question.

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It just, it surprised me.

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Maybe that was it.

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TNG doesn't surprise me very often.

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And that's just a shot of that boy on the floor, covered in blood

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with dead eyes.

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That's really quite shocking.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah We don't see a lot of blood in TNG, do we?

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Oh, in 90s trait really.

383
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No, no.

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Yeah, it's pretty...

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That's a great transition where he slapped around the face before

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we cut to the other thing.

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So we're still in the white void.

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He's standing there, he's slapped in the face and then we come to

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the room where that's happening.

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And there's some other things where some audio comes in before, you

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know, the rest of a scene as well.

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So what we have here is Cortensweller and Marta Botanities, who

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are his 2 close friends whom he manages to alienate because he's

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so much a worker. unbelievable characters, very well played.

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I particularly liked her.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Do you know, I think the great genius of this is too, that they

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look like they're from the 1950s.

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Like the hair.

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They look like they're from the 9050s.

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So we have to sell.

402
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Yes, because we've got to sell it. from the past, right?

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This is...

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I think it's really great, particularly her.

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And, you know, she's called Marty, you know, like the character in

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Greece.

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Like, I just think there's a very definite attempt.

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Don't you think that he looks very 50s as well?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Very movie style.

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What I really love is how she starts to fall for Johnny because

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it's Picard playing Johnny and he's suddenly a more mature

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considered person.

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That whole relationship is really, really interesting.

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But also, Picard underestimates Johnny because Johnny didn't

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decide to have sex with Marta.

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Like he never went there and he may have thought about it.

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And I think that because Johnny knew how Martin would react.

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Picard thinks Johnny's an idiot and so he goes for Marta and ruins

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it because Marta knows exactly how Johnny treats women and now

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she's just another notch on his bedhead.

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But Johnny never went there.

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He was wise enough not to do that.

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What is it about these captains, you know, that get these

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opportunities.

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Do you remember Cisco when he went to the all turnative universe

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and had it off with Dax, you know?

429
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Oh yeah, I never quite did that.

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But then Picard's doing it here as well.

431
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Actually, this is all part of Patrick Stewart's demands, wasn't it

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in later season, as he goes, one.

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I want to direct and two, I want to have more nuking.

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That's what 2 demands.

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And he got both.

436
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I mean, he got vash, for God's sakes.

437
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Well, yes, quite literally.

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Look at what, look at what, I just think it's so weird what

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Delancey's doing in this scene with the chess board as well.

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Is he playing with himself?

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I don't know.

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I just think, like, it's it's interesting, fun business.

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And, you know, Q is a chess player. orchestrating all of this.

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And, you know, then he smashes it all with his his, you know, stick

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thing.

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Like all of that's great.

447
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Oh, spares your...

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Spare me your musings of your egotistical, pivotal nature and

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history.

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So good So, again, the idea here is we all have genre brain

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right?

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And we know that you're not allowed to change the past and that's

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very wrong and we can't do that.

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And of course, that's super boring and also it wouldn't be true

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even if it was a thing.

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And so, um, and so Q is there to kind of diffuse that.

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I promise everything's going to be okay.

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You're not that important, even this exciting queue as opposed to

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the this exciting Picard, as opposed to the very boring Picard

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who's very visibly not important.

461
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I don't know.

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I just think that that's dealing with us as viewers, as genre

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brain viewers, I think. genre of brain.

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Thank you.

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I do like the Q says there as well. give you my word.

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And I think your point, if you watch through the whole of TNG, it's

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possibly the most honest character in the entire show because he

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always says exactly what he means.

469
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Yeah, even though we don't want to hear it sometimes.

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He doesn't need to lie.

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It's a bit of a shame, you know, that they forgot in all good

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things.

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They just went on a nostalgia trip, didn't they?

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Rather than taking this to its sort of natural conclusion, whatever

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that was.

476
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Well, I'm glad that they address it.

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Like, I'm glad that we do get it at the end of, you know, at the

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end of Patrick Stewart's time in the franchise, we get to re

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examine it.

480
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And this, then I won't die.

481
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Oh, yes, you'll die just at a later time.

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What you said earlier about looking back and, you know, being a

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bit ashamed of yourself as a youth, and just the idea of being

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able to go back and rectify mistakes you've made in the past.

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They are just such real things that we all think about.

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And it's such a 1000000 miles away from the usual TNG technobabble

487
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bullshit.

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I usually have to sit through.

489
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I just go, well, what am I supposed to think about that?

490
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No, I know what I think about this stuff because this is stuff I

491
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think about all the time.

492
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Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, you see, like, it's, it's the penny thing which we're about

494
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to see, which I think, you know, is just, just how astonishingly

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inept, um, Patrick Stewart is in dealing with Penny.

496
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And it's, he thinks that he has more insight into her.

497
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But I don't think that he does because like Johnny's a hot young

498
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man and this is an older woman who just wants to fuck him and have

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fun and then, you know, go on to the next thing.

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Sounds wonderful.

501
00:24:19.680 --> 00:24:20.819
And that's fine.

502
00:24:20.880 --> 00:24:22.559
There's nothing wrong with that.

503
00:24:22.619 --> 00:24:27.299
But he decides to kind of analyse her and show feel pity for her.

504
00:24:27.359 --> 00:24:30.960
My alien was pensioning as he was going, you know, I realised, I

505
00:24:30.960 --> 00:24:31.920
haven't really spoken to you.

506
00:24:31.980 --> 00:24:33.119
I don't know much about you.

507
00:24:33.180 --> 00:24:36.299
And she goes, Johnny, I just want to fuck you, all right?

508
00:24:36.359 --> 00:24:37.680
I don't want to get it.

509
00:24:37.740 --> 00:24:38.579
No.

510
00:24:38.640 --> 00:24:40.380
I'm paraphrasing there.

511
00:24:40.440 --> 00:24:44.700
But he thinks he's being kind of mature and respectful to her

512
00:24:44.700 --> 00:24:48.480
while, in fact, what he's doing is patronising her and thinking he

513
00:24:48.480 --> 00:24:49.440
knows better than her.

514
00:24:49.559 --> 00:24:52.559
Whereas Johnny would have just had sex.

515
00:24:52.619 --> 00:24:55.500
She would have been happy and we would have just got on with the

516
00:24:55.500 --> 00:24:55.799
next thing.

517
00:24:55.920 --> 00:24:57.180
Look at her.

518
00:24:57.240 --> 00:24:59.759
She just wants to feel a young man's body against her.

519
00:24:59.819 --> 00:25:00.960
Oh, yeah, yeah.

520
00:25:01.559 --> 00:25:02.099
That's all right.

521
00:25:02.160 --> 00:25:02.880
What's wrong with?

522
00:25:02.940 --> 00:25:03.960
Conversation.

523
00:25:04.019 --> 00:25:04.680
Excuse me.

524
00:25:07.019 --> 00:25:09.000
Oh, dear.

525
00:25:09.000 --> 00:25:11.039
And then what's the brush off like?

526
00:25:11.039 --> 00:25:12.900
She thinks she's getting the brush off, doesn't she?

527
00:25:12.960 --> 00:25:18.359
Well, he says you're a very handsome woman.

528
00:25:19.019 --> 00:25:23.519
That's as bad as him being told he's punctual later on.

529
00:25:23.579 --> 00:25:26.220
Oh, that's genius.

530
00:25:26.279 --> 00:25:28.500
And look at her reaction to handsome.

531
00:25:28.559 --> 00:25:31.920
Nathan never, ever turned on an old label, all right?

532
00:25:31.980 --> 00:25:33.480
Never ever say that to me.

533
00:25:33.539 --> 00:25:35.700
I don't want your pity.

534
00:25:35.759 --> 00:25:39.240
She goes, you deserve that drink in the face.

535
00:25:39.299 --> 00:25:42.480
Why does every bar in Knightley's trek look just like this one?

536
00:25:42.539 --> 00:25:43.980
It's really terrible.

537
00:25:44.039 --> 00:25:46.799
It's sort of yellow light behind...

538
00:25:46.859 --> 00:25:48.480
Oh, it's John Delancey.

539
00:25:48.539 --> 00:25:49.259
Penny for your faults?

540
00:25:49.380 --> 00:25:50.519
I know.

541
00:25:50.579 --> 00:25:54.480
That's why that character's called Penny, so he can deliver that.

542
00:25:54.539 --> 00:25:55.559
It's a good joke.

543
00:25:55.559 --> 00:25:56.460
Look at the warmth.

544
00:25:56.519 --> 00:25:57.660
He smiles at her.

545
00:25:57.720 --> 00:26:00.660
He gives, sorry, he smiles at him.

546
00:26:00.720 --> 00:26:02.940
He gives him a cloth to wipe off his face.

547
00:26:03.000 --> 00:26:04.319
He gets to do some exposition.

548
00:26:04.380 --> 00:26:07.920
And like he's listening, he cares what, what Picard's saying.

549
00:26:07.980 --> 00:26:08.400
It's wonderful.

550
00:26:08.519 --> 00:26:12.240
This dumb chock game looks so boring, doesn't it?

551
00:26:12.299 --> 00:26:13.440
It looks really shit.

552
00:26:13.500 --> 00:26:15.480
But without holes.

553
00:26:15.539 --> 00:26:19.619
Well, it's snooker, but with pinball things and then with like

554
00:26:19.619 --> 00:26:23.339
tiny, limp, unimpressive little sticks.

555
00:26:23.400 --> 00:26:24.900
You know, between that.

556
00:26:24.960 --> 00:26:27.240
And what's that game that Tuvok plays, you know, on all the

557
00:26:27.240 --> 00:26:27.480
levels?

558
00:26:27.539 --> 00:26:28.380
Palto.

559
00:26:28.440 --> 00:26:29.039
Thank you.

560
00:26:29.099 --> 00:26:31.559
And that boring chess film we saw earlier in the episode.

561
00:26:31.680 --> 00:26:34.740
No wonder the game caught on as an exciting new game.

562
00:26:34.799 --> 00:26:36.720
They all look so tedious.

563
00:26:36.779 --> 00:26:38.940
Strategma as well.

564
00:26:39.000 --> 00:26:39.599
Remember that?

565
00:26:39.660 --> 00:26:42.480
The game gives you orgasms, so that was always going to win out.

566
00:26:42.539 --> 00:26:43.380
Yeah, that's true.

567
00:26:43.440 --> 00:26:44.339
That is true.

568
00:26:44.400 --> 00:26:45.960
You getting old, Johnny.

569
00:26:46.019 --> 00:26:47.519
I love that.

570
00:26:47.519 --> 00:26:48.720
Dask of 9050s.

571
00:26:48.779 --> 00:26:49.259
You're right.

572
00:26:49.319 --> 00:26:50.579
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

573
00:26:50.640 --> 00:26:53.460
You could put her in Vic's lounge very easily.

574
00:26:53.519 --> 00:26:55.079
Yeah, yeah, exactly.

575
00:26:55.140 --> 00:26:55.500
Exactly.

576
00:26:57.539 --> 00:27:00.000
And of course, we all knew.

577
00:27:00.059 --> 00:27:02.099
What's the fellow's name?

578
00:27:02.160 --> 00:27:03.119
The redhead?

579
00:27:03.180 --> 00:27:04.319
Corey.

580
00:27:04.440 --> 00:27:07.920
We all know or knew a Corey when we were younger, right?

581
00:27:07.980 --> 00:27:10.740
The one that was getting into trouble, that pushed things too far

582
00:27:10.740 --> 00:27:12.299
that had fights.

583
00:27:12.359 --> 00:27:15.599
Yeah, I think that's a very believable character as well.

584
00:27:15.660 --> 00:27:17.099
I wonder what happened to Corey.

585
00:27:17.160 --> 00:27:17.640
Do we find out?

586
00:27:17.700 --> 00:27:19.200
No, I don't know.

587
00:27:19.259 --> 00:27:21.420
He goes off with Captain Narth and stuff.

588
00:27:21.539 --> 00:27:23.339
So I think too.

589
00:27:23.460 --> 00:27:26.579
Let's talk about the Norsicans because, Nathan, I'm so sorry.

590
00:27:26.640 --> 00:27:28.019
Did you see the alien?

591
00:27:28.079 --> 00:27:29.579
No, behind Picard.

592
00:27:29.640 --> 00:27:34.079
It's an Anticon. and a Chile in the back behind him as well.

593
00:27:34.140 --> 00:27:34.799
They're not fighting.

594
00:27:34.859 --> 00:27:37.559
There is an anticon and a Chilean that...

595
00:27:37.559 --> 00:27:39.420
It was a large meal, Lieutenant.

596
00:27:40.380 --> 00:27:45.960
So yeah, I, one of the shows that was on at the, at the same time

597
00:27:45.960 --> 00:27:49.440
as this was family ties, which is obviously where we get Brian

598
00:27:49.440 --> 00:27:52.920
Bonsall from as well.

599
00:27:52.980 --> 00:27:55.079
No, no, no.

600
00:27:55.079 --> 00:27:56.460
That's a family affair.

601
00:27:56.579 --> 00:27:57.960
There's lots of family.

602
00:27:58.019 --> 00:28:00.599
Family ties is where we get Michael J.

603
00:28:00.599 --> 00:28:01.140
Fox from.

604
00:28:01.859 --> 00:28:07.440
And Justine Bateman's boyfriend looked like a Norsican.

605
00:28:07.500 --> 00:28:11.519
This is what bad boys looked like in the sort of early 90s.

606
00:28:11.880 --> 00:28:15.180
Oh, sort of grungy with bad hair.

607
00:28:15.240 --> 00:28:18.480
Yeah, with the long hair and the plaits and earrings and stuff.

608
00:28:18.539 --> 00:28:20.279
He looks like this is so funny.

609
00:28:20.339 --> 00:28:23.640
Well, he says you see Martin Pale so far and he looks at his back

610
00:28:23.700 --> 00:28:28.740
like Hugh looks behind in his back and goes, you look, I didn't

611
00:28:28.740 --> 00:28:30.539
pay on so far. as well.

612
00:28:30.599 --> 00:28:34.619
It's another good lesson as to why they should employ good comedy

613
00:28:34.619 --> 00:28:36.900
actors inside fiction.

614
00:28:36.960 --> 00:28:40.079
Because all of these transitions where John Delaney comes in.

615
00:28:40.140 --> 00:28:41.880
He's absolutely on it with the lines.

616
00:28:41.940 --> 00:28:42.660
I know.

617
00:28:42.720 --> 00:28:43.799
He's loving this.

618
00:28:43.859 --> 00:28:45.660
I think maybe more than the previous ones.

619
00:28:45.720 --> 00:28:48.000
I mean, I think he's really killing it in Q Who.

620
00:28:48.119 --> 00:28:52.619
I love, too, where his reaction here, where, you know, Picard's

621
00:28:52.619 --> 00:28:55.859
giving him some exposition and, you know, telling him the speech

622
00:28:55.859 --> 00:28:57.900
and then he says, that's a beautiful story.

623
00:28:57.960 --> 00:28:59.759
It really gets you right here.

624
00:28:59.759 --> 00:29:04.680
And like he does the stab in the heart. subtly, you know?

625
00:29:05.339 --> 00:29:06.240
Wow.

626
00:29:06.240 --> 00:29:07.740
I don't know about Subway.

627
00:29:08.640 --> 00:29:11.819
I'm not sure John Talansi does so.

628
00:29:11.880 --> 00:29:13.619
But it's wonderfully good.

629
00:29:13.680 --> 00:29:15.480
And he's being quite warm as well.

630
00:29:15.539 --> 00:29:18.960
It's pretty great Do you remember when he turned up in Torchwood

631
00:29:18.960 --> 00:29:20.279
the Doctor Who spinoff?

632
00:29:20.339 --> 00:29:20.940
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

633
00:29:21.000 --> 00:29:25.920
The FBI investigator, and unfortunately, he was still playing it

634
00:29:25.920 --> 00:29:26.519
like you.

635
00:29:28.619 --> 00:29:34.140
I just noticed Stuart's reaction to the it gets you right here

636
00:29:34.140 --> 00:29:35.099
line. pretty good.

637
00:29:35.160 --> 00:29:37.019
It's just like, yeah, I'm not going to do that.

638
00:29:37.140 --> 00:29:39.240
You know who you that Norsecan looks like?

639
00:29:39.299 --> 00:29:42.119
All the sort of people I know that have been sort of heavy into

640
00:29:42.119 --> 00:29:46.140
rock music covered in tattoos and things, and yet, you know, I

641
00:29:46.140 --> 00:29:49.500
generally find. those are the most gentle, loveliest people.

642
00:29:49.559 --> 00:29:54.299
But it's that sort of hair medal kind of look, you know, like uh

643
00:29:54.299 --> 00:29:55.980
Mallory's boyfriend.

644
00:29:56.039 --> 00:29:59.460
In bar association, that one of their favourite games, the

645
00:29:59.460 --> 00:30:02.039
Norscans is to play darts on each other.

646
00:30:02.099 --> 00:30:04.920
They just throw darts into their body.

647
00:30:05.460 --> 00:30:05.819
Awesome.

648
00:30:06.000 --> 00:30:07.799
Oh dear.

649
00:30:07.980 --> 00:30:11.640
Doesn't Starfleet Academy look boring?

650
00:30:11.759 --> 00:30:14.099
No, I don't know where we are.

651
00:30:14.160 --> 00:30:14.700
Where are we?

652
00:30:14.759 --> 00:30:16.140
We're at something station.

653
00:30:16.200 --> 00:30:20.220
They haven't quite put anything in the window there, have they?

654
00:30:20.279 --> 00:30:20.700
Have you noticed?

655
00:30:20.759 --> 00:30:22.019
No, no.

656
00:30:22.079 --> 00:30:23.460
It's not too bad.

657
00:30:23.519 --> 00:30:24.900
There looks like a building outside.

658
00:30:25.140 --> 00:30:26.880
Oh no.

659
00:30:26.940 --> 00:30:30.119
See, now they're planning to get back at the nausicums.

660
00:30:30.539 --> 00:30:34.140
And I'm assuming Johnny would have been like, yes, let's do it.

661
00:30:34.200 --> 00:30:37.380
Yeah, no, Johnny's absolutely this because Johnny supports him and

662
00:30:37.380 --> 00:30:41.579
isn't a coward. isn't risk averse because that's the other thing

663
00:30:41.579 --> 00:30:42.180
that's happening.

664
00:30:42.240 --> 00:30:44.819
Stop being so tedious, Jean-Luc.

665
00:30:44.880 --> 00:30:46.500
Oh, I don't think we should do that, you know.

666
00:30:46.559 --> 00:30:51.900
Yeah, and that looks like that he thinks that he's being a grown

667
00:30:51.180 --> 00:30:51.900
up.

668
00:30:51.960 --> 00:30:55.319
You know, that he's being a serious grown up and that he's trying

669
00:30:55.319 --> 00:30:58.619
to teach them how to behave like responsible adults.

670
00:30:58.680 --> 00:31:02.519
But in fact, Johnny has a better idea of how to behave under these

671
00:31:02.519 --> 00:31:05.099
circumstances, even though it gets him stabbed.

672
00:31:05.160 --> 00:31:11.640
What it doesn't do is alienate Marta and Corey.

673
00:31:11.700 --> 00:31:14.940
Are you trying to tell me, Nathan, that there's some hope still

674
00:31:14.940 --> 00:31:19.740
for that young 21 year old Joe Ford that had 15 men on the go at

675
00:31:19.740 --> 00:31:19.920
once?

676
00:31:20.460 --> 00:31:21.900
think so.

677
00:31:23.039 --> 00:31:26.579
He certainly had a more fun life than me, I'll say.

678
00:31:26.640 --> 00:31:28.980
Well, I don't think you should regret a 2nd of it.

679
00:31:29.039 --> 00:31:30.720
I trust me.

680
00:31:32.220 --> 00:31:34.019
Oh dear.

681
00:31:34.140 --> 00:31:37.140
Oh, now yeah, he's going to sleep with her, isn't he?

682
00:31:37.259 --> 00:31:40.920
Not quite yet, does he or does he now?

683
00:31:41.039 --> 00:31:45.660
No, because that's when Q comes in with the with the roses, doesn't

684
00:31:45.660 --> 00:31:45.839
he?

685
00:31:45.900 --> 00:31:47.640
Oh, I love it.

686
00:31:47.819 --> 00:31:51.900
Is there a Gene Luck Picard here or anywhere?

687
00:31:51.960 --> 00:31:55.920
And it's actually astounding just how much narrative needs to

688
00:31:55.920 --> 00:31:56.339
happen.

689
00:31:56.400 --> 00:32:01.740
Like how much we need Picard to explain the backstory to Q. Q

690
00:32:01.740 --> 00:32:06.359
keeps appearing so that Picard can tell us what really happened so

691
00:32:06.359 --> 00:32:07.799
that we can compare it against.

692
00:32:07.859 --> 00:32:08.940
He should know all this, right?

693
00:32:09.299 --> 00:32:11.460
If he's not omnipotent.

694
00:32:11.819 --> 00:32:12.420
We don't.

695
00:32:13.740 --> 00:32:14.339
But we don't.

696
00:32:14.400 --> 00:32:16.079
And so we need to hear it explained.

697
00:32:16.140 --> 00:32:18.900
Hugh knows he's in a TV show and we need the information.

698
00:32:18.960 --> 00:32:20.279
So he's asking all the right questions.

699
00:32:20.339 --> 00:32:21.779
I think so.

700
00:32:21.839 --> 00:32:25.319
But I also think that it does actually sell the relationship, just

701
00:32:25.319 --> 00:32:28.680
a warming, you know, like a kind of a warm relationship between

702
00:32:28.680 --> 00:32:29.160
them.

703
00:32:29.519 --> 00:32:32.039
He's got a red bow tie on.

704
00:32:32.339 --> 00:32:34.200
That's so great.

705
00:32:34.259 --> 00:32:35.579
So good.

706
00:32:35.640 --> 00:32:38.700
And just the way he waggles as he comes in.

707
00:32:38.759 --> 00:32:40.680
What surprised me as well?

708
00:32:40.740 --> 00:32:42.359
What's the structure of this episode?

709
00:32:42.420 --> 00:32:46.140
I remember this being like half and half, half in the past on half

710
00:32:46.140 --> 00:32:48.900
on the Enterprise later and then in fixing it.

711
00:32:48.960 --> 00:32:54.240
It's actually about 2 thirds in the past, then just 2 or 3 scenes

712
00:32:54.240 --> 00:32:54.960
on the Enterprise.

713
00:32:55.019 --> 00:32:59.700
Enough to sell the idea that, you know, our brand new Picard is as

714
00:32:59.700 --> 00:33:03.900
mundane as he could possibly be before he goes back and makes the

715
00:33:03.900 --> 00:33:04.200
call.

716
00:33:04.259 --> 00:33:07.019
And then it just, it doesn't end where it should because it gives

717
00:33:07.019 --> 00:33:10.140
us that miserable final scene that explains everything we just

718
00:33:10.140 --> 00:33:10.440
watched.

719
00:33:10.500 --> 00:33:14.099
But it does end sort of quickly with him just waking up on the

720
00:33:14.099 --> 00:33:14.339
bed.

721
00:33:14.400 --> 00:33:15.779
Yeah, yeah.

722
00:33:15.839 --> 00:33:16.259
Yeah.

723
00:33:16.319 --> 00:33:19.680
Yeah, it probably should end with him just waking up laughing on

724
00:33:19.680 --> 00:33:20.819
the bed, shouldn't it?

725
00:33:20.880 --> 00:33:21.900
I bet remaining.

726
00:33:21.900 --> 00:33:24.180
I don't want that last scene in that someone went swimming.

727
00:33:24.240 --> 00:33:25.079
No, no, come on now.

728
00:33:25.140 --> 00:33:29.640
Yeah, yeah, yeah. as you know, Bob, we need to explain to

729
00:33:29.640 --> 00:33:30.000
everybody.

730
00:33:30.059 --> 00:33:34.740
Well, I actually think it undermines, I mean, it sort of

731
00:33:34.740 --> 00:33:38.099
illustrates what the episode is doing, but it undermines it just

732
00:33:38.099 --> 00:33:40.500
by making him such a fuddy duddy at the end.

733
00:33:40.559 --> 00:33:41.880
Like so boring, you know?

734
00:33:41.940 --> 00:33:44.339
Yeah, I wouldn't we do that already, right?

735
00:33:46.619 --> 00:33:48.839
Yeah, I guess we do.

736
00:33:48.900 --> 00:33:52.019
And you know, like that is a sort of Star Trek character thing to

737
00:33:52.019 --> 00:33:52.200
do.

738
00:33:52.259 --> 00:33:56.880
Even that the shot, like the shot we go out on in that last scene

739
00:33:56.880 --> 00:34:01.259
with with Delancey smiling over the flowers is pretty great.

740
00:34:01.319 --> 00:34:05.160
You know what they might have done, Nathan, in our new, uh, and I

741
00:34:05.160 --> 00:34:10.199
use inverted commerce when I say this, woke genre TV, is they

742
00:34:10.199 --> 00:34:12.539
might have made Picard sleep with Corey instead.

743
00:34:12.599 --> 00:34:14.639
That would have been interesting.

744
00:34:16.920 --> 00:34:19.860
Yeah, so what's happening here?

745
00:34:19.920 --> 00:34:23.460
Oh, I love that the your, you are my mother line.

746
00:34:23.519 --> 00:34:24.840
You sound like my mother.

747
00:34:24.900 --> 00:34:25.980
Oh, you are my mother.

748
00:34:26.039 --> 00:34:27.719
Is he a proto-Tom Paris?

749
00:34:27.780 --> 00:34:28.559
Like Tom Paris.

750
00:34:28.619 --> 00:34:29.940
They want Tom Paris to be like this?

751
00:34:30.000 --> 00:34:32.340
Oh, we've had the 1st duty, haven't we?

752
00:34:32.400 --> 00:34:34.139
So, yeah, we have last year.

753
00:34:34.199 --> 00:34:35.460
Yeah.

754
00:34:35.519 --> 00:34:37.019
Oh, this got like an act as well.

755
00:34:37.079 --> 00:34:37.980
They could have brought him on.

756
00:34:38.039 --> 00:34:40.559
I mean, look at him. very pretty as well.

757
00:34:40.619 --> 00:34:42.119
He could have been gone out with B'lana.

758
00:34:42.179 --> 00:34:43.139
The children they would have made.

759
00:34:43.619 --> 00:34:45.900
They would have been so beautiful.

760
00:34:48.420 --> 00:34:52.860
As usual, the sort of tricks that they pull people.

761
00:34:52.920 --> 00:34:55.980
Yeah, remember when Wesley was talking about the chilli sauce and

762
00:34:55.980 --> 00:34:57.599
Sonic shower.

763
00:34:57.659 --> 00:35:00.239
This is sort of fiddling about with the Domjot table.

764
00:35:00.300 --> 00:35:01.739
I mean it's not very inspired, is it?

765
00:35:01.800 --> 00:35:03.480
No, no.

766
00:35:03.539 --> 00:35:05.519
But, you know, like it's okay, I guess.

767
00:35:05.639 --> 00:35:07.739
What do you think of the uniforms?

768
00:35:08.340 --> 00:35:13.019
I think I might prefer them to our TNG uniforms normally

769
00:35:13.019 --> 00:35:13.260
actually.

770
00:35:13.320 --> 00:35:17.340
Yeah, so these are the uniforms they're modified, aren't they?

771
00:35:17.400 --> 00:35:19.739
They're the uniforms from the films.

772
00:35:19.800 --> 00:35:24.480
Um, uh, but this is decades after the films and what they don't

773
00:35:24.480 --> 00:35:26.760
have is the kind of puffy collar.

774
00:35:26.820 --> 00:35:29.639
Like they're just wearing t-shirts under the, under the jacket

775
00:35:29.639 --> 00:35:33.119
instead of there's a kind of collar that they, that they have.

776
00:35:33.179 --> 00:35:35.159
But they look more military.

777
00:35:35.219 --> 00:35:36.059
I think they look really good.

778
00:35:36.119 --> 00:35:37.619
I mean, how refreshing.

779
00:35:37.679 --> 00:35:38.460
This lady here.

780
00:35:38.519 --> 00:35:40.380
She's just got a blouse on some trousers.

781
00:35:40.440 --> 00:35:43.679
It's so nice to see somebody just in you know, casual clothes.

782
00:35:43.800 --> 00:35:45.659
No, she's not in casual clothes.

783
00:35:45.719 --> 00:35:46.860
She just taking her jacket off.

784
00:35:46.920 --> 00:35:47.579
That's the uniform.

785
00:35:47.639 --> 00:35:50.039
She's wearing a uniform. outside the window, Nate.

786
00:35:50.099 --> 00:35:50.699
Is that the bridge?

787
00:35:50.760 --> 00:35:51.780
It looks like a building.

788
00:35:51.840 --> 00:35:54.719
Don't you think it's like a building and a bridge and stuff?

789
00:35:54.780 --> 00:35:56.400
Like, I think that's actually quite well sold.

790
00:35:56.460 --> 00:35:57.360
That's not too bad.

791
00:35:57.420 --> 00:36:00.179
It's just a photographic blowup or something.

792
00:36:00.300 --> 00:36:03.119
Picard, you are old enough to be her father.

793
00:36:03.239 --> 00:36:05.880
Don't you dare take advantage of this young lady.

794
00:36:05.940 --> 00:36:10.260
Yeah, but that's exactly the point because he does and Johnny

795
00:36:10.260 --> 00:36:12.539
didn't and this is a mistake.

796
00:36:12.599 --> 00:36:17.699
And see, I like Martin because I just think it's a really relaxed

797
00:36:17.699 --> 00:36:18.420
performance.

798
00:36:18.539 --> 00:36:19.559
I think she's lovely.

799
00:36:19.619 --> 00:36:20.699
She seems smart.

800
00:36:20.760 --> 00:36:21.719
She's beautiful.

801
00:36:21.780 --> 00:36:24.179
Like, just, she is quite stunning.

802
00:36:24.239 --> 00:36:28.199
But then I kind of went, why is she so, like, why is she suddenly

803
00:36:28.199 --> 00:36:32.280
you know, why is she convinced that they've ruined everything?

804
00:36:32.340 --> 00:36:33.420
Like that nothing happens.

805
00:36:33.480 --> 00:36:36.840
Oh, come on, Nathan, have you not slept with that friend?

806
00:36:36.840 --> 00:36:38.340
And then gone?

807
00:36:38.460 --> 00:36:40.079
Oh, okay.

808
00:36:40.199 --> 00:36:41.400
Yeah, yeah.

809
00:36:41.460 --> 00:36:42.900
But I've done it a few times.

810
00:36:43.019 --> 00:36:47.159
Well, you see, what I think, what I think is the, is the, the

811
00:36:47.159 --> 00:36:51.420
thing is that this is our way of saying that Johnny is better at

812
00:36:51.420 --> 00:36:56.099
negotiating this life than than Jean-Luc is because he never went

813
00:36:56.099 --> 00:36:57.780
there and because he knew.

814
00:36:58.980 --> 00:37:03.119
Does he make her less interesting as well because she's fallen for

815
00:37:03.119 --> 00:37:08.880
him because he is so balanced and, you know, whereas she didn't

816
00:37:08.880 --> 00:37:10.440
look at Johnny twice, right?

817
00:37:10.500 --> 00:37:11.699
Or was there a chemistry anyway?

818
00:37:11.760 --> 00:37:15.659
I'm assuming there was a chemistry because I think that it works.

819
00:37:15.719 --> 00:37:19.440
What works is that Picard makes a mistake that Johnny doesn't

820
00:37:19.440 --> 00:37:19.739
make.

821
00:37:19.800 --> 00:37:23.159
And it's the same mistake, you know, that he makes with Penny.

822
00:37:23.159 --> 00:37:25.619
And it's the same mistake that he makes with Corey.

823
00:37:25.679 --> 00:37:30.059
He's cautious, he thinks he's being mature, but he's in a world of

824
00:37:30.059 --> 00:37:34.019
21 year olds and people like that and he just can't, you know

825
00:37:34.019 --> 00:37:35.400
eating her face off there.

826
00:37:35.519 --> 00:37:37.619
Yeah, well, very unpleasant.

827
00:37:39.659 --> 00:37:42.659
I mean, they've done what they do in the 90s.

828
00:37:42.719 --> 00:37:44.340
They've made the 18 year olds 30.

829
00:37:44.699 --> 00:37:47.639
So it looks age appropriate, but...

830
00:37:47.639 --> 00:37:49.199
So they're 21, aren't they?

831
00:37:49.260 --> 00:37:49.920
They're all 21.

832
00:37:50.039 --> 00:37:51.659
Look at Picard.

833
00:37:51.719 --> 00:37:52.920
He's looking good, isn't he?

834
00:37:52.980 --> 00:37:55.019
Good morning darling.

835
00:37:55.079 --> 00:37:56.460
So funny.

836
00:37:56.519 --> 00:37:58.920
And then there's just a little moment of gay panic.

837
00:37:59.039 --> 00:38:01.500
Like, there's a moment where they just sit there staring at one

838
00:38:01.500 --> 00:38:03.300
another before he says anything.

839
00:38:03.360 --> 00:38:06.780
Then he says it and then Picard pulls the cover up, but he's

840
00:38:06.780 --> 00:38:09.420
actually there smiling at you for quite a little while.

841
00:38:09.420 --> 00:38:12.420
And then he pulls the cover up because he's naked, like we've just

842
00:38:12.420 --> 00:38:13.559
seen clothes on the floor.

843
00:38:13.619 --> 00:38:16.920
So presumably he's entirely naked because he's been fucking.

844
00:38:16.980 --> 00:38:21.300
And Q is on top of the bad clothes in in.

845
00:38:21.360 --> 00:38:24.239
But then we're just having the rest of this conversation, which I

846
00:38:24.239 --> 00:38:24.840
just think is great.

847
00:38:24.900 --> 00:38:26.639
He doesn't tend to get out of there.

848
00:38:26.699 --> 00:38:28.260
Be specific, all right?

849
00:38:28.320 --> 00:38:29.340
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

850
00:38:29.400 --> 00:38:29.639
Sorry.

851
00:38:30.960 --> 00:38:35.099
That's quite a nice hairy chest, actually, isn't he?

852
00:38:35.159 --> 00:38:36.059
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

853
00:38:36.119 --> 00:38:37.199
He's been working out.

854
00:38:37.260 --> 00:38:38.099
I reckon they do that.

855
00:38:38.639 --> 00:38:39.659
He's been waiting.

856
00:38:39.659 --> 00:38:44.340
There's, I can see a cephalic archery going down that cephalic

857
00:38:44.340 --> 00:38:46.800
vein rather going down that bicep there.

858
00:38:46.860 --> 00:38:48.300
Oh, here we go.

859
00:38:48.360 --> 00:38:48.840
Back to the bar.

860
00:38:50.159 --> 00:38:52.800
So this is the scene now, isn't it?

861
00:38:52.860 --> 00:38:57.000
Where, where we kind of change history officially and they don't

862
00:38:57.000 --> 00:38:57.719
have the fight.

863
00:38:57.780 --> 00:38:59.039
Yeah, yeah.

864
00:38:59.099 --> 00:39:02.340
But in order to do it, he punches Johnny, doesn't he?

865
00:39:02.460 --> 00:39:03.300
not Johnny.

866
00:39:03.360 --> 00:39:05.039
He punches Corey, he pushes him over.

867
00:39:05.099 --> 00:39:09.599
I think that, oh, Jean-Luc, you know, oh, Picard was just really

868
00:39:09.599 --> 00:39:13.019
shit in bed and that's why she's like, maybe that's it.

869
00:39:13.079 --> 00:39:13.860
Sorry.

870
00:39:13.920 --> 00:39:17.820
You know, beforehand, I thought you might be a goer, but now I

871
00:39:17.820 --> 00:39:18.300
know the truth.

872
00:39:18.360 --> 00:39:19.739
Everything's changed.

873
00:39:19.800 --> 00:39:20.280
Yeah.

874
00:39:20.579 --> 00:39:25.679
Yes, but also probably he was super cautious and just annoying.

875
00:39:25.739 --> 00:39:26.460
Do you know what I mean?

876
00:39:26.519 --> 00:39:30.420
He wasn't like a hot 21 year old, Johnny, who doesn't, you know

877
00:39:30.420 --> 00:39:33.480
like doesn't give a fucking, is also kind of a bit proud of his

878
00:39:33.480 --> 00:39:35.460
ability to give women a good time, I think.

879
00:39:35.579 --> 00:39:36.480
Don't you think?

880
00:39:36.539 --> 00:39:41.579
I think you only have sex like a 21 year old when you're sort of

881
00:39:41.579 --> 00:39:46.800
my age when you're having an affair and it's someone brand. with

882
00:39:46.800 --> 00:39:49.679
your actual partner of 45 Yes, you're right.

883
00:39:49.739 --> 00:39:50.579
You're very considered.

884
00:39:50.639 --> 00:39:52.079
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

885
00:39:52.139 --> 00:39:54.360
So I just think that, you know, it wasn't as much fun.

886
00:39:54.420 --> 00:39:58.559
But it is like he avoided it because he knows how he treats women

887
00:39:58.559 --> 00:40:02.699
and he knows how Marta thinks of it and he doesn't want to end up

888
00:40:02.699 --> 00:40:03.659
in that category.

889
00:40:03.719 --> 00:40:06.179
He doesn't want to put Marta in that category and he would never

890
00:40:06.179 --> 00:40:06.780
have gone there.

891
00:40:07.619 --> 00:40:11.400
And he does completely ruin these relationships.

892
00:40:11.460 --> 00:40:12.119
Yeah.

893
00:40:12.119 --> 00:40:12.960
Yeah.

894
00:40:13.320 --> 00:40:18.900
And I'm assuming in the original timeline that those friendships

895
00:40:18.900 --> 00:40:19.619
thrived, right?

896
00:40:19.679 --> 00:40:21.840
He explicitly says that, doesn't he?

897
00:40:21.900 --> 00:40:26.219
He says that Johnny, he says that Corey and I go on to be friends

898
00:40:26.219 --> 00:40:27.659
for many years after this.

899
00:40:28.079 --> 00:40:32.940
Unfortunately, since Encounter at Far Point, neither of them have

900
00:40:32.940 --> 00:40:35.280
been mentioned, but you know, never mind.

901
00:40:35.340 --> 00:40:35.940
No, you know.

902
00:40:36.000 --> 00:40:38.760
Johnny's never been mentioned as a person either.

903
00:40:38.940 --> 00:40:41.519
Every time the car goes back to his quarters.

904
00:40:41.579 --> 00:40:44.940
He writes a pen letter to Corey, you know, and rings up the other

905
00:40:44.940 --> 00:40:45.119
one.

906
00:40:45.179 --> 00:40:47.340
Yep, no, rings murder up.

907
00:40:47.400 --> 00:40:49.619
Exactly. managed to get slapped by one woman.

908
00:40:49.679 --> 00:40:52.679
A drink thrown in your face by another and alienate both of your

909
00:40:52.679 --> 00:40:53.159
best friends.

910
00:40:53.219 --> 00:40:54.539
You're doing pretty well so far.

911
00:40:54.599 --> 00:40:56.460
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

912
00:40:56.519 --> 00:40:57.719
And what's this?

913
00:40:57.780 --> 00:40:59.940
So see what he's got holding up to his head?

914
00:41:00.000 --> 00:41:04.559
Like, it's holding up this leak or something or like a spinach.

915
00:41:04.559 --> 00:41:08.039
And then she just takes some bite out of it for like no reason at

916
00:41:08.039 --> 00:41:08.760
the end of that line.

917
00:41:08.820 --> 00:41:10.199
It's so great.

918
00:41:10.260 --> 00:41:11.219
It's so funny.

919
00:41:11.280 --> 00:41:14.460
It's like, you will look at me in this scene, all right?

920
00:41:14.519 --> 00:41:16.980
He could be at the front, but you will look at me.

921
00:41:17.039 --> 00:41:17.940
I want business.

922
00:41:18.000 --> 00:41:19.500
I need to have business.

923
00:41:19.559 --> 00:41:22.320
Well, like with the chess sport, you know.

924
00:41:22.679 --> 00:41:27.599
I mean, it's a lot of business, didn't he, John DeLancey, and it's

925
00:41:27.599 --> 00:41:27.780
wrong.

926
00:41:28.500 --> 00:41:32.519
But it's easy to see why he's a fan favourite. isn't it?

927
00:41:32.579 --> 00:41:33.300
Oh, yeah.

928
00:41:33.300 --> 00:41:35.039
He livens up this show.

929
00:41:35.099 --> 00:41:38.519
This very serious show every time he turns out.

930
00:41:38.699 --> 00:41:42.420
They just need that element of chaos in this show sometimes.

931
00:41:42.480 --> 00:41:45.480
I think this is the best episode he's in.

932
00:41:46.619 --> 00:41:50.760
And I think Q-Hoo.

933
00:41:50.760 --> 00:41:54.420
Reasonable, you know, a competing claim.

934
00:41:54.480 --> 00:41:58.199
But I think he's so much better in this than he is in Q Who.

935
00:41:58.260 --> 00:42:00.480
I think you are still about space things.

936
00:42:00.599 --> 00:42:02.219
Well, it's about the book, isn't it?

937
00:42:02.280 --> 00:42:05.760
I think you could technically be called by some people the best

938
00:42:05.760 --> 00:42:06.659
Borg episode.

939
00:42:06.719 --> 00:42:07.980
Maybe not the best queue apps.

940
00:42:08.039 --> 00:42:10.380
De Jacques Q is a brilliant queue episode.

941
00:42:10.679 --> 00:42:11.219
It is pretty great.

942
00:42:11.280 --> 00:42:12.000
It is very good.

943
00:42:12.059 --> 00:42:16.320
But I think there's more to it this than that.

944
00:42:16.380 --> 00:42:19.559
Oh, we're about to learn the Nausean word for testicles.

945
00:42:19.619 --> 00:42:21.539
Keep an eye out.

946
00:42:21.599 --> 00:42:23.880
They do run with this though, don't they?

947
00:42:23.940 --> 00:42:27.480
Because then every sort of character that we meet, Tom Paris

948
00:42:27.480 --> 00:42:28.500
Cisco.

949
00:42:28.559 --> 00:42:30.719
They've all had bar fights when they were younger.

950
00:42:30.840 --> 00:42:32.820
We're norticans.

951
00:42:32.880 --> 00:42:33.119
Yeah.

952
00:42:33.179 --> 00:42:36.900
Because they have Gurumba, which is obviously the Norsican for

953
00:42:36.900 --> 00:42:37.380
testicles.

954
00:42:37.440 --> 00:42:39.059
Oh, really?

955
00:42:39.119 --> 00:42:41.280
But they probably throw dolls in nose as well.

956
00:42:41.760 --> 00:42:43.619
That's the very idea.

957
00:42:43.679 --> 00:42:46.679
Yeah, look, and Corey rushes to defend.

958
00:42:46.739 --> 00:42:49.739
Oh, there is some wait till we remount this.

959
00:42:49.800 --> 00:42:52.980
So this is him successfully avoiding being stabbed by pushing

960
00:42:52.980 --> 00:42:57.780
Corey over the bar stool and over the table and ruining their

961
00:42:57.780 --> 00:42:58.739
friendship forever.

962
00:42:58.800 --> 00:43:00.300
Look at him.

963
00:43:00.360 --> 00:43:01.260
He's furious.

964
00:43:01.320 --> 00:43:03.659
Oh, I don't know who you are anymore.

965
00:43:03.719 --> 00:43:05.820
Yeah, but you're not my friend.

966
00:43:05.880 --> 00:43:08.280
Like that's that's pretty great.

967
00:43:08.400 --> 00:43:12.119
And she should have fallen out with, and you were just terrible in

968
00:43:12.119 --> 00:43:12.360
bed.

969
00:43:12.420 --> 00:43:15.900
You're a dud rude, is what we say in Australia.

970
00:43:15.960 --> 00:43:17.760
Dodge Roo.

971
00:43:17.820 --> 00:43:19.559
Yep, you're a dud root.

972
00:43:22.619 --> 00:43:23.280
Oh my god.

973
00:43:23.340 --> 00:43:24.900
These are my favourite scenes now.

974
00:43:24.960 --> 00:43:26.760
Mr. Picard.

975
00:43:26.820 --> 00:43:27.840
The lieutenant.

976
00:43:28.920 --> 00:43:30.119
Junior Grace.

977
00:43:30.179 --> 00:43:35.519
And again, Wharf's line comes in before we come to the Enterprise

978
00:43:35.519 --> 00:43:36.000
Bridge.

979
00:43:36.059 --> 00:43:37.559
So really suddenly.

980
00:43:37.619 --> 00:43:41.579
And we get in and out of these, you know, dream sequences, not

981
00:43:41.579 --> 00:43:44.340
with special effects or anything like that, but just with, you

982
00:43:44.340 --> 00:43:47.579
know, the director cutting to a different thing. which I just

983
00:43:47.579 --> 00:43:48.900
think is much, much better.

984
00:43:48.960 --> 00:43:53.400
And also I think the look of him in that blue outfit.

985
00:43:53.460 --> 00:43:54.780
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

986
00:43:54.840 --> 00:43:58.860
But his body language, he sort of carries into himself a little

987
00:43:58.860 --> 00:43:59.159
bit.

988
00:43:59.219 --> 00:44:00.659
He never smiles.

989
00:44:00.719 --> 00:44:02.820
He always looks, he looks a bit pathetic.

990
00:44:02.880 --> 00:44:04.199
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

991
00:44:04.920 --> 00:44:05.880
Which is kind of the idea.

992
00:44:06.000 --> 00:44:10.139
I mean, especially the bit where he goes up to Will and Deanna in

993
00:44:10.139 --> 00:44:10.860
10 forward.

994
00:44:11.579 --> 00:44:14.280
Please stay, counsellor.

995
00:44:14.340 --> 00:44:15.659
I would like your counsel too.

996
00:44:15.719 --> 00:44:16.320
Oh boy.

997
00:44:16.380 --> 00:44:18.239
It was so, so sad.

998
00:44:18.300 --> 00:44:22.260
But also as well, we've seen so many of these episodes now where

999
00:44:22.260 --> 00:44:24.420
they rewrite the timelines, parallels.

1000
00:44:24.480 --> 00:44:25.860
You could pull them out of your arse, right?

1001
00:44:25.920 --> 00:44:31.320
And this is only for a couple of scenes, and sometimes it does

1002
00:44:31.320 --> 00:44:34.440
feel like they're manoeuvring the actors into positions where

1003
00:44:34.440 --> 00:44:38.940
they're not comfortable, whereas I absolutely believe Michael Dawn

1004
00:44:38.940 --> 00:44:41.820
Jonathan Fraser, Marina, how they all treat him in this.

1005
00:44:41.880 --> 00:44:44.280
This is how TNG has always been.

1006
00:44:44.340 --> 00:44:45.840
Yeah, yeah.

1007
00:44:45.900 --> 00:44:49.019
It's really, it's just terribly well done, and I think it's

1008
00:44:49.019 --> 00:44:52.380
because the character stuff is so obvious that the actors know

1009
00:44:52.380 --> 00:44:53.639
exactly what's happening.

1010
00:44:53.699 --> 00:44:56.699
It's not a space thing that they have to decide how they feel

1011
00:44:56.699 --> 00:44:57.300
about it.

1012
00:44:57.360 --> 00:44:59.579
This is a real thing, I think.

1013
00:44:59.639 --> 00:45:04.320
But when Ron Moore reached for the Thesaurus, for the different

1014
00:45:04.320 --> 00:45:09.960
words that described mundanity, that Picard gets thrown at him in

1015
00:45:09.960 --> 00:45:12.960
a minute, I was just like, with everyone, I was going, ooh.

1016
00:45:13.019 --> 00:45:13.860
Oh, God.

1017
00:45:13.980 --> 00:45:19.019
It's the, it's the way that it's, it's the word punctual. where

1018
00:45:19.019 --> 00:45:20.039
there's a big pause.

1019
00:45:20.099 --> 00:45:24.179
There's a big pause. feel like I should say one more.

1020
00:45:24.239 --> 00:45:28.440
Yeah, you can see, you can see Ryka trying to think of the next

1021
00:45:28.440 --> 00:45:31.860
thing and he comes up with punctual and then kind of stares for a

1022
00:45:31.860 --> 00:45:32.159
second.

1023
00:45:32.219 --> 00:45:34.500
I think it's a brilliant comedy delivery.

1024
00:45:34.559 --> 00:45:37.679
Like, it's one of the laugh out. like in an episode with John

1025
00:45:37.679 --> 00:45:38.760
Delancey in it.

1026
00:45:38.820 --> 00:45:43.860
I think Frank's, you know, comes 2nd at like comic delivery of a

1027
00:45:43.860 --> 00:45:45.539
line at that moment.

1028
00:45:45.599 --> 00:45:51.360
Almost as good as when Troy called Riker seasoned in best of both

1029
00:45:51.360 --> 00:45:51.840
worlds.

1030
00:45:51.900 --> 00:45:54.000
The words you never want to hear.

1031
00:45:54.059 --> 00:45:57.000
You're so reliable, you know?

1032
00:45:57.000 --> 00:46:01.139
And look at poor Troy.

1033
00:46:01.199 --> 00:46:02.760
She goes, oh, maybe I should go, yeah?

1034
00:46:02.880 --> 00:46:03.960
yeah.

1035
00:46:04.019 --> 00:46:10.739
Because she knows him and has an opinion about him, you know, like

1036
00:46:10.739 --> 00:46:11.340
here we go.

1037
00:46:11.400 --> 00:46:13.139
Oh, punctual.

1038
00:46:13.199 --> 00:46:13.679
Oh no.

1039
00:46:15.420 --> 00:46:18.000
So what would you say about me?

1040
00:46:18.119 --> 00:46:20.940
I think as if I'm capable of command, you know?

1041
00:46:21.000 --> 00:46:22.260
Please.

1042
00:46:22.260 --> 00:46:26.820
It's the look that he gives him when he says punctual.

1043
00:46:26.940 --> 00:46:28.559
It kind of like, is that all right?

1044
00:46:28.619 --> 00:46:31.019
You know, like, it's pretty great.

1045
00:46:31.079 --> 00:46:34.619
And Troy's not even looking him in the eye at that point.

1046
00:46:34.860 --> 00:46:36.239
No.

1047
00:46:36.239 --> 00:46:37.139
Oh, God.

1048
00:46:37.199 --> 00:46:39.059
Oh, no, now she is.

1049
00:46:39.179 --> 00:46:40.559
Look at the pity on her face.

1050
00:46:40.619 --> 00:46:41.940
Yeah, yeah.

1051
00:46:42.000 --> 00:46:46.320
And again, also, I think, too, what's happening here is that this

1052
00:46:46.320 --> 00:46:50.940
is less like a realistic scene, and it is much more like Q has

1053
00:46:50.940 --> 00:46:56.340
sort of manoeuvred these characters in to deliver the, you know

1054
00:46:56.340 --> 00:46:57.539
the moral of the story.

1055
00:46:57.659 --> 00:47:02.039
So we get this little chorus where the 2 of them are saying what

1056
00:47:02.039 --> 00:47:05.880
has gone wrong with his life in this really quick way, rather than

1057
00:47:05.880 --> 00:47:09.000
us discovering it, we don't have time to discover that he's like

1058
00:47:09.000 --> 00:47:12.539
that, we need to be told, but getting those characters to do it is

1059
00:47:12.539 --> 00:47:13.440
really good, I think.

1060
00:47:13.500 --> 00:47:15.539
So on the nose though, isn't it?

1061
00:47:15.599 --> 00:47:17.940
Because he didn't take that one risk in the past.

1062
00:47:18.000 --> 00:47:22.079
So he's never taken a risk in his life and I'm not sure. psychology

1063
00:47:22.079 --> 00:47:23.340
or life works like that.

1064
00:47:23.400 --> 00:47:25.500
But for the purposes of the episode.

1065
00:47:25.559 --> 00:47:30.659
Yeah, but I also think that if he, it's the kind of thing where if

1066
00:47:30.659 --> 00:47:33.900
Johnny, because that's the other thing you, when you're a kid, like

1067
00:47:33.900 --> 00:47:34.920
sometimes it doesn't work.

1068
00:47:34.980 --> 00:47:35.820
Do you know what I mean?

1069
00:47:35.880 --> 00:47:40.860
Like, some kids don't survive the bar fight with the Nausicans, but

1070
00:47:40.860 --> 00:47:45.420
but, um, if he had taken that, you know, what it is that makes him

1071
00:47:45.420 --> 00:47:48.539
become a captain, what it is that makes him stand out is a

1072
00:47:48.539 --> 00:47:49.679
willingness to take risks.

1073
00:47:49.739 --> 00:47:53.880
And because he's cautious because he's a middle-aged man and he's

1074
00:47:53.880 --> 00:47:55.739
too cautious to be a 21 year old.

1075
00:47:55.800 --> 00:47:57.059
You know, he kind of fucks it up.

1076
00:47:57.179 --> 00:48:01.019
This is a terrific bit of action where he just sits there.

1077
00:48:01.079 --> 00:48:04.500
Like he wants to be angry, but he contains it and he goes, all

1078
00:48:04.500 --> 00:48:05.940
right, Q, you've made your point.

1079
00:48:06.000 --> 00:48:08.219
You know, is this what you want for me?

1080
00:48:09.360 --> 00:48:11.340
Yeah, yeah.

1081
00:48:11.400 --> 00:48:13.019
I mean, yeah.

1082
00:48:13.139 --> 00:48:16.440
This is the, the Geordie choice.

1083
00:48:16.440 --> 00:48:17.280
It's the uniform.

1084
00:48:17.340 --> 00:48:19.500
He looks more stiff than usual.

1085
00:48:20.400 --> 00:48:23.219
Surely the colour just can't do that.

1086
00:48:23.280 --> 00:48:24.719
Yeah, yeah.

1087
00:48:24.780 --> 00:48:26.940
But I think it makes him look pale as well.

1088
00:48:27.000 --> 00:48:29.460
Like, I think it makes his complexion look different.

1089
00:48:29.519 --> 00:48:32.639
It's, um, it's...

1090
00:48:32.639 --> 00:48:36.300
Does it amuse you to think of me as a dreary man with a tedious

1091
00:48:36.300 --> 00:48:36.659
job?

1092
00:48:36.780 --> 00:48:38.519
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1093
00:48:38.579 --> 00:48:39.480
Oh, here's gold again.

1094
00:48:40.679 --> 00:48:44.400
If you a 2nd chance at life, John Luke, you know?

1095
00:48:45.119 --> 00:48:47.699
And all you do is complain.

1096
00:48:47.760 --> 00:48:48.480
Oh, I love him.

1097
00:48:48.539 --> 00:48:51.300
Can't Q be a member of the crew, please?

1098
00:48:51.360 --> 00:48:52.260
Oh, no, we tried that.

1099
00:48:52.320 --> 00:48:54.179
Well, he nearly was, yeah, yeah.

1100
00:48:57.239 --> 00:48:59.039
Banju, isn't that?

1101
00:48:59.099 --> 00:49:04.559
That's basically what Picard becomes before Picard starts, right?

1102
00:49:04.619 --> 00:49:07.559
Is there's that terrible accident and he goes off and lives a very

1103
00:49:07.559 --> 00:49:09.420
safe life in the vineyard?

1104
00:49:09.659 --> 00:49:14.820
Well, I think I think what happens is he pulls out of Starfleet

1105
00:49:14.820 --> 00:49:21.480
because he wanted to help the Romulans and um, had Starfleet's

1106
00:49:21.480 --> 00:49:24.239
guarantee that he would help the Romulans and then the thing on

1107
00:49:24.239 --> 00:49:30.300
Mars happened and and Starfleet became cautious and insular and he

1108
00:49:30.300 --> 00:49:32.519
was now no longer permitted to help.

1109
00:49:32.579 --> 00:49:34.920
And he just said, well, fuck it, I'm off.

1110
00:49:34.980 --> 00:49:37.139
Then in that case, if I can't help, what's the point?

1111
00:49:37.199 --> 00:49:40.139
It's so funny though, when he's back on a ship, you know, he's

1112
00:49:40.139 --> 00:49:42.599
down on that planet in, what's that called?

1113
00:49:42.659 --> 00:49:46.800
Starlight Rag City with the pirate costume mom and he's back in

1114
00:49:46.800 --> 00:49:48.420
the thick of it again and having the best time.

1115
00:49:48.480 --> 00:49:50.099
That's who he does.

1116
00:49:50.159 --> 00:49:51.780
Thus city rag.

1117
00:49:51.840 --> 00:49:53.219
He's an adventurer.

1118
00:49:53.280 --> 00:49:54.059
He an explorer.

1119
00:49:54.239 --> 00:49:59.519
Yeah, and all of this stuff, you know, now Q. So everyone explains

1120
00:49:59.519 --> 00:50:00.179
it to him.

1121
00:50:00.239 --> 00:50:03.360
Like this is a very, very talky episode, isn't it?

1122
00:50:03.420 --> 00:50:08.340
It's very talky, but just because it's these 2 most of the time

1123
00:50:08.340 --> 00:50:14.159
and they're so great, and the dialogue is so good, that it's fine

1124
00:50:14.219 --> 00:50:20.099
if the philosophical discussion is interesting and it's funny and

1125
00:50:20.099 --> 00:50:23.940
it's sort of lightly jumping from one scene setting to another.

1126
00:50:24.000 --> 00:50:25.019
I don't know.

1127
00:50:25.079 --> 00:50:28.199
I think this moves at a lick, even though there is a lot of talk.

1128
00:50:28.260 --> 00:50:37.260
I really like this too, where he just asks, like, he doesn't

1129
00:50:37.260 --> 00:50:39.480
berate Q. He doesn't do anything.

1130
00:50:39.539 --> 00:50:41.579
He just says, you were right.

1131
00:50:41.639 --> 00:50:43.260
I made a bad call.

1132
00:50:43.320 --> 00:50:45.360
Can you fix it for me?

1133
00:50:45.480 --> 00:50:46.980
And he just asks.

1134
00:50:48.000 --> 00:50:49.320
We have been there before, Nathan.

1135
00:50:49.440 --> 00:50:51.000
Do you know, remember in Q Who?

1136
00:50:51.059 --> 00:50:53.159
when you want me to say I need you?

1137
00:50:53.219 --> 00:50:54.840
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I need you.

1138
00:50:54.900 --> 00:50:55.679
I need you.

1139
00:50:55.739 --> 00:50:58.619
But this is a bit less kind of over the top.

1140
00:50:58.679 --> 00:51:02.099
Now, look, there's some incredible stunt double work in this.

1141
00:51:02.219 --> 00:51:03.239
Oh, let me pay attention.

1142
00:51:03.300 --> 00:51:05.219
Particularly martyr.

1143
00:51:05.280 --> 00:51:07.739
Marta has a really...

1144
00:51:08.340 --> 00:51:11.099
And then there's one shot.

1145
00:51:11.159 --> 00:51:14.579
There's like Mara being attacked by the thing.

1146
00:51:14.639 --> 00:51:17.280
Whenever you see Marta from the back, it says stunt double.

1147
00:51:17.340 --> 00:51:22.559
There's one really bad shot of Stuart's tub double, it's really

1148
00:51:22.559 --> 00:51:23.519
great.

1149
00:51:24.420 --> 00:51:27.119
Look, they're tearing this bar apart.

1150
00:51:27.179 --> 00:51:28.260
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1151
00:51:28.320 --> 00:51:30.659
They really beat the shit out of pottery.

1152
00:51:30.659 --> 00:51:31.619
He tops that.

1153
00:51:31.619 --> 00:51:33.420
Norsacan right over his shoulder.

1154
00:51:33.960 --> 00:51:36.900
God, you know, I hate stabbings.

1155
00:51:36.960 --> 00:51:38.940
Oh, that's the one way I wouldn't want to go.

1156
00:51:39.000 --> 00:51:43.079
Yeah, it's a particularly English thing to do, I think.

1157
00:51:43.199 --> 00:51:44.880
Well, spam, yeah.

1158
00:51:44.880 --> 00:51:47.340
Yeah, so I bought school, it certainly was, yeah.

1159
00:51:47.400 --> 00:51:48.300
Oh my god.

1160
00:51:48.420 --> 00:51:50.579
But there, he laughs.

1161
00:51:50.639 --> 00:51:51.780
Now we know why he laughed.

1162
00:51:51.840 --> 00:51:53.460
You know, it's perfect.

1163
00:51:53.519 --> 00:51:57.179
Most of there, cutting from him being stabbed to laughing on the

1164
00:51:57.179 --> 00:51:57.420
bed.

1165
00:51:57.539 --> 00:51:58.800
That is iconic right?

1166
00:51:58.860 --> 00:52:01.559
That is a definitive TNG moment.

1167
00:52:01.679 --> 00:52:06.420
And it should end with us pulling up away from the bed.

1168
00:52:06.480 --> 00:52:07.920
What if it is?

1169
00:52:08.519 --> 00:52:09.900
Absolutely.

1170
00:52:09.960 --> 00:52:10.260
Yep.

1171
00:52:10.380 --> 00:52:13.500
No, we still got one moment of...

1172
00:52:13.500 --> 00:52:14.460
Oh, yes.

1173
00:52:14.519 --> 00:52:17.699
Now we need Beverly to explain to us that he's going to be all

1174
00:52:17.699 --> 00:52:20.820
right, even though he's the main character of the show and it's on

1175
00:52:20.820 --> 00:52:21.599
next week.

1176
00:52:21.659 --> 00:52:24.539
Of course, she's all right. yeah that's right.

1177
00:52:24.659 --> 00:52:25.980
That's right.

1178
00:52:26.039 --> 00:52:27.960
I know, I know.

1179
00:52:28.320 --> 00:52:30.780
I still don't know what to make of it.

1180
00:52:30.840 --> 00:52:31.500
Well that's fine.

1181
00:52:31.559 --> 00:52:32.699
Q credits.

1182
00:52:34.260 --> 00:52:36.539
They didn't explain anything.

1183
00:52:36.900 --> 00:52:41.340
I mean, I, the one thing I took away from this scene was I liked

1184
00:52:41.340 --> 00:52:46.380
Riker being impressed learning about, you know, young Johnny in

1185
00:52:46.380 --> 00:52:47.519
this impetuous.

1186
00:52:47.579 --> 00:52:51.900
I do like that, but it's still, I think it's a little bit crap and

1187
00:52:51.900 --> 00:52:54.659
it's pretty hard for Jonathan to find a way of playing it that

1188
00:52:54.659 --> 00:52:58.260
doesn't just seem incredibly cheesy and slightly patronising.

1189
00:52:58.380 --> 00:53:00.539
I remember debt of gratitude.

1190
00:53:00.599 --> 00:53:01.019
Yes.

1191
00:53:01.079 --> 00:53:02.340
Oh yes, yes.

1192
00:53:02.400 --> 00:53:05.340
There are parts of my youth proud of.

1193
00:53:05.400 --> 00:53:06.000
We know.

1194
00:53:06.119 --> 00:53:07.019
We've watched that.

1195
00:53:07.559 --> 00:53:11.099
Yes, we saw all of that, but he shouldn't be saying that now.

1196
00:53:11.219 --> 00:53:14.639
Do you know what information that should be saying?

1197
00:53:14.699 --> 00:53:15.239
You did it.

1198
00:53:15.300 --> 00:53:16.559
Yeah, yeah.

1199
00:53:16.619 --> 00:53:17.760
How did that work out for you?

1200
00:53:17.820 --> 00:53:22.199
Like, it's not, it's like, forget it, learn something.

1201
00:53:22.260 --> 00:53:25.260
Unravelled the tapestry of my life.

1202
00:53:25.320 --> 00:53:25.980
Yes thank you.

1203
00:53:26.340 --> 00:53:31.440
But I mean, what really happened is that he discovered that Johnny

1204
00:53:31.440 --> 00:53:36.900
was better at negotiating the life of a 21 year old in his

1205
00:53:36.900 --> 00:53:39.360
situation than Picard himself would have been.

1206
00:53:39.480 --> 00:53:43.679
I'm saying they found that we shone for his current position.

1207
00:53:43.739 --> 00:53:47.099
To quote another TNG episode, you're saying that we shouldn't have

1208
00:53:47.099 --> 00:53:47.880
2nd chances.

1209
00:53:48.119 --> 00:53:50.099
Yeah, then we did.

1210
00:53:50.159 --> 00:53:51.719
We did get that title in there, didn't we?

1211
00:53:52.500 --> 00:53:54.780
Maybe that's the theme this year.

1212
00:53:54.840 --> 00:53:57.420
I'll go looking, because that's another one.

1213
00:53:57.659 --> 00:54:00.000
You get another run at something.

1214
00:54:00.059 --> 00:54:03.659
I think that's a really good episode too, because it is a standard

1215
00:54:03.659 --> 00:54:07.500
science fiction plot that's used to do a character thing, which I

1216
00:54:07.500 --> 00:54:12.000
think is really well. 2nd chance is it's so drabbily directed, but

1217
00:54:12.000 --> 00:54:14.099
it's a good script and it's well acted.

1218
00:54:14.159 --> 00:54:14.579
Yeah, yeah.

1219
00:54:14.639 --> 00:54:19.199
Whereas I think this episode was really, very well directed, a

1220
00:54:19.199 --> 00:54:20.579
really well cast as well.

1221
00:54:20.760 --> 00:54:24.539
I think it does a really good job of the fantasy staff.

1222
00:54:24.599 --> 00:54:27.059
Like, there's a couple of special effects where you see Q

1223
00:54:27.059 --> 00:54:30.480
appearing and disappearing, but on the whole, he just appears as

1224
00:54:30.480 --> 00:54:34.079
the camera moves around and there he is in shot suddenly, or he

1225
00:54:34.079 --> 00:54:38.280
appears suddenly behind you, and, you know, we cut between fantasy

1226
00:54:38.280 --> 00:54:40.619
sequences and past sequences in the present.

1227
00:54:40.679 --> 00:54:41.880
We don't do anything fancy.

1228
00:54:41.940 --> 00:54:46.260
We've seen that stuff done quite badly, you know, already in this

1229
00:54:46.260 --> 00:54:46.559
podcast.

1230
00:54:46.619 --> 00:54:49.260
You know, I got very confused there for a second.

1231
00:54:49.320 --> 00:54:53.159
The next episode started and it's a pan around Deep Space 9.

1232
00:54:53.219 --> 00:54:54.480
I went, what, what's going on?

1233
00:54:54.539 --> 00:54:55.920
Oh, they said birthright?

1234
00:54:55.920 --> 00:54:56.760
It's birthright next.

1235
00:54:56.820 --> 00:54:57.000
Yes.

1236
00:54:57.059 --> 00:54:59.340
I'm much more boring episode than this.

1237
00:55:00.719 --> 00:55:05.039
But let's just say that Ron Moore took a hold of.

1238
00:55:05.099 --> 00:55:06.300
It's a Wonderful Life.

1239
00:55:06.360 --> 00:55:11.760
He transposed it onto TNG and it was a roaring success.

1240
00:55:11.820 --> 00:55:14.820
It's one of the best versions of this story, I think I've seen.

1241
00:55:14.880 --> 00:55:20.400
Primarily because it takes a character and reveals like fantastic

1242
00:55:20.400 --> 00:55:24.000
new shades, but it also, it just really drives home that point

1243
00:55:24.000 --> 00:55:27.179
that moral of take a risk, you know?

1244
00:55:27.840 --> 00:55:29.400
Yeah.

1245
00:55:29.460 --> 00:55:34.679
But also, like, don't be hard on you as a young person.

1246
00:55:34.739 --> 00:55:36.719
And young people generally.

1247
00:55:36.780 --> 00:55:38.340
I just think there's something really humane.

1248
00:55:38.400 --> 00:55:41.820
And it wasn't really central to that final scene, which I think is

1249
00:55:41.820 --> 00:55:42.300
a shame.

1250
00:55:42.300 --> 00:55:47.280
That Picard learns that if it wasn't for Johnny, he wouldn't be

1251
00:55:47.280 --> 00:55:52.559
who he is today and that Johnny is good at things that he wouldn't

1252
00:55:52.559 --> 00:55:54.960
have been good at in that same position.

1253
00:55:55.199 --> 00:56:01.500
Yeah, I think there's something to regard yourself, even making

1254
00:56:01.500 --> 00:56:04.800
faltering dumb mistakes, all of that sort of thing that doesn't

1255
00:56:04.800 --> 00:56:06.780
mean that you're bad or incompetent.

1256
00:56:06.840 --> 00:56:07.739
Exactly right.

1257
00:56:07.800 --> 00:56:08.159
Yeah.

1258
00:56:08.340 --> 00:56:12.480
I'm as special as I am, Nathan, because of all those fucking

1259
00:56:12.480 --> 00:56:17.219
stupid choices I make, but I wish there were many.

1260
00:56:17.280 --> 00:56:21.599
I think the other thing that really came out of this for me

1261
00:56:21.599 --> 00:56:25.980
because we've done a couple now, and that is when you look as TNG

1262
00:56:25.980 --> 00:56:31.739
as a whole, John Delansey really is an MVP of, you know, not the

1263
00:56:31.739 --> 00:56:37.559
MVP, but he's one of them, you know, and every time he shows up, I

1264
00:56:37.559 --> 00:56:42.000
think unanimously it is greeted, you know, with applause.

1265
00:56:42.059 --> 00:56:43.559
Now that's got to say something.

1266
00:56:51.300 --> 00:56:55.139
All right, it's the end of the episode and it's time for us to

1267
00:56:55.139 --> 00:56:57.659
find out where we're going next.

1268
00:56:57.719 --> 00:56:59.760
This one was my excellent choice.

1269
00:56:59.820 --> 00:57:01.199
I have a history of those.

1270
00:57:01.260 --> 00:57:05.760
And so it's your time to take us somewhere terrible, like perhaps

1271
00:57:05.760 --> 00:57:06.420
enterprise.

1272
00:57:06.480 --> 00:57:10.500
I don't think you do have a history of taking us to excellent

1273
00:57:10.500 --> 00:57:11.340
choices, you know.

1274
00:57:12.360 --> 00:57:15.840
Two times out of three, you choose Enterprise.

1275
00:57:15.900 --> 00:57:16.980
Yeah that is true.

1276
00:57:17.039 --> 00:57:18.539
I think certainly true.

1277
00:57:18.599 --> 00:57:20.880
We should go back and have a look, actually, and see.

1278
00:57:20.940 --> 00:57:24.000
And do the statistics of whose hit rate is better.

1279
00:57:24.059 --> 00:57:26.039
You or me. choosing this shit episode.

1280
00:57:26.340 --> 00:57:30.599
I mean, I'll take us to DS9 quite a lot and that's usually a good

1281
00:57:30.599 --> 00:57:30.780
thing.

1282
00:57:30.840 --> 00:57:31.500
That helps.

1283
00:57:31.739 --> 00:57:34.440
So guess where I'm going to take us today.

1284
00:57:34.800 --> 00:57:37.139
DS 9. right.

1285
00:57:38.400 --> 00:57:41.940
Now, look, come on, now we've got a form of doing this now.

1286
00:57:42.000 --> 00:57:46.139
We do a voyager, or we do a TNG and then we do a TS9, you know.

1287
00:57:46.199 --> 00:57:47.579
That's fair.

1288
00:57:47.639 --> 00:57:51.719
I think I fancy something, you know, after a true turkey in Alice

1289
00:57:51.719 --> 00:57:57.119
and an absolute gym in tapestry, I might try and see if I can seek

1290
00:57:57.119 --> 00:57:58.739
out something a bit mid, yeah?

1291
00:57:58.800 --> 00:57:59.400
Okay.

1292
00:57:59.460 --> 00:57:59.940
Yeah.

1293
00:58:00.780 --> 00:58:02.280
Middle of the road?

1294
00:58:02.340 --> 00:58:03.659
Let's see what we get.

1295
00:58:06.719 --> 00:58:07.980
Oh, God, where have we gone?

1296
00:58:08.039 --> 00:58:08.519
Here we go.

1297
00:58:08.579 --> 00:58:13.380
A random Star Trek Deep Space 9 episode is season five.

1298
00:58:13.440 --> 00:58:14.280
Oh, that's a good start.

1299
00:58:14.340 --> 00:58:16.019
Fucking hell.

1300
00:58:16.079 --> 00:58:18.840
It's always trying to make us do this one and we always skip past

1301
00:58:18.840 --> 00:58:19.139
it.

1302
00:58:19.199 --> 00:58:20.579
Episode five.

1303
00:58:20.639 --> 00:58:21.480
The assignment.

1304
00:58:21.539 --> 00:58:23.039
It's Rosalyn Chow again.

1305
00:58:23.159 --> 00:58:24.599
No, no, no.

1306
00:58:24.659 --> 00:58:28.860
No, I don't want to do that, though, because I feel that we're

1307
00:58:28.860 --> 00:58:30.599
going to run out of Rosalind Chow if we do that.

1308
00:58:30.659 --> 00:58:32.460
Okay, right, that's fine.

1309
00:58:32.519 --> 00:58:35.579
I want to sort of eke her out for out because, no, that's fair

1310
00:58:35.579 --> 00:58:35.820
enough.

1311
00:58:35.880 --> 00:58:37.800
Time's off and proved.

1312
00:58:37.860 --> 00:58:39.179
You know, she is great.

1313
00:58:39.300 --> 00:58:40.559
She is pretty good.

1314
00:58:40.619 --> 00:58:42.119
Okay, let's see what's next.

1315
00:58:42.179 --> 00:58:43.920
Oh, is this meat?

1316
00:58:44.099 --> 00:58:46.079
Meet the good.

1317
00:58:46.139 --> 00:58:47.820
Meet to good.

1318
00:58:47.880 --> 00:58:52.199
Okay, your random Star Trek Deep Space 9 episode is... season

1319
00:58:52.199 --> 00:58:52.920
one.

1320
00:58:52.980 --> 00:58:53.699
Uh-oh.

1321
00:58:53.760 --> 00:58:54.300
Ooh.

1322
00:58:54.480 --> 00:58:56.940
Episode 17.

1323
00:58:57.179 --> 00:58:58.980
The Forsaken.

1324
00:58:59.159 --> 00:59:01.440
It's Mrs. Troy.

1325
00:59:01.500 --> 00:59:03.059
Oh, is it?

1326
00:59:03.119 --> 00:59:05.699
It's Mrs. Troy in in the lift.

1327
00:59:05.760 --> 00:59:06.480
It's that one.

1328
00:59:06.599 --> 00:59:11.280
And there's also some kind of thing that comes and lives in the

1329
00:59:11.280 --> 00:59:16.079
computer of the of the station or something, which sounds very

1330
00:59:16.079 --> 00:59:16.559
mid.

1331
00:59:16.619 --> 00:59:22.260
And also, I think Dr. Pashir is forced to deal with the

1332
00:59:22.260 --> 00:59:27.539
ambassadors of unhappy, the most miserable ambassadors to the

1333
00:59:27.539 --> 00:59:30.239
station we've ever had, and he's the one that's put to look after

1334
00:59:30.239 --> 00:59:30.599
him.

1335
00:59:30.659 --> 00:59:32.400
There's like three, there's lots happening in it.

1336
00:59:32.460 --> 00:59:33.599
Oh, let's do that one.

1337
00:59:33.659 --> 00:59:35.099
Okay, all right.

1338
00:59:42.840 --> 00:59:46.800
You've been listening to entitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford

1339
00:59:46.800 --> 00:59:51.000
and Nathan Bottomley, where online and entitled Star Trek Project

1340
00:59:50.099 --> 00:59:53.579
com, where you can find subscription links and links to our social

1341
00:59:53.579 --> 00:59:54.539
media accounts.

1342
00:59:54.599 --> 00:59:58.679
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Cisrin, and the theme was composed

1343
00:59:58.679 --> 00:59:59.940
by Cameron Lamb.

1344
01:00:00.000 --> 01:00:04.559
This episode was recorded on the 10th of June 2025 and released on

1345
01:00:04.559 --> 01:00:06.000
the 13th of June.

1346
01:00:06.059 --> 01:00:10.920
We'll see you next time for Star Trek Deep Space 9, The Forsaken.

1347
01:00:26.099 --> 01:00:29.099
So, what's it called again, the Forsaken?

1348
01:00:29.159 --> 01:00:30.480
The forsaken, yes.

1349
01:00:30.539 --> 01:00:33.659
I mean, it's Majel, and so happy days.

1350
01:00:33.719 --> 01:00:37.800
We've done, we've done Migel on, on Deep State Stone already

1351
01:00:37.800 --> 01:00:38.760
haven't we, at one point?

1352
01:00:38.820 --> 01:00:40.619
Do you know what that would leave?

1353
01:00:40.619 --> 01:00:44.219
That would leave only fascinations left for her.

1354
01:00:45.300 --> 01:00:46.739
Awesome.

1355
01:00:47.340 --> 01:00:51.360
I mean, we haven't done too much of one, have we?

1356
01:00:51.420 --> 01:00:56.820
We've done a couple And it is always interesting to see a show

1357
01:00:56.820 --> 01:00:57.300
forming.

1358
01:00:57.420 --> 01:00:59.159
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

1359
01:00:59.219 --> 01:01:01.800
And absolutely, it does a tail end of one.

1360
01:01:01.860 --> 01:01:04.619
So I think they're sort of slowly getting there.

1361
01:01:04.679 --> 01:01:05.699
Yep.

1362
01:01:05.760 --> 01:01:06.300
Yeah.

1363
01:01:06.360 --> 01:01:12.300
But at the same time, they're still doing backhanders to TNG.

1364
01:01:12.360 --> 01:01:15.480
So please get people to watch our show, bringing Mrs. Troy

1365
01:01:15.480 --> 01:01:18.960
bringing back, you know, bringing Q. Okay.

1366
01:01:19.260 --> 01:01:21.840
Well, it could go either way, I think.

1367
01:01:21.900 --> 01:01:23.579
All right, let's do it.

1368
01:01:23.639 --> 01:01:24.719
Forsaken.

1369
01:01:24.780 --> 01:01:25.500
Yeah.

1370
01:01:25.559 --> 01:01:28.019
I haven't watched it for ages that one.

1371
01:01:28.079 --> 01:01:32.519
Is it named after the plot with the computer thing, the thing that

1372
01:01:32.519 --> 01:01:33.300
lives in the computer?

1373
01:01:33.360 --> 01:01:35.699
She's not forsaken, is she?

1374
01:01:35.760 --> 01:01:38.039
I thought that the computer was like a baby.

1375
01:01:38.099 --> 01:01:42.239
Doesn't something that's like a baby computer program end up in

1376
01:01:42.239 --> 01:01:42.599
the computer?

1377
01:01:42.659 --> 01:01:46.739
I just remember they purr in the most sexiest costumes in this

1378
01:01:46.739 --> 01:01:46.920
one.

1379
01:01:46.980 --> 01:01:47.579
I do remember that.

1380
01:01:47.699 --> 01:01:48.300
She's got tits.

1381
01:01:48.360 --> 01:01:50.940
She brings her tits with her to this episode, I think.

1382
01:01:51.000 --> 01:01:53.579
Sort of lame cat suit, one more.

1383
01:01:55.980 --> 01:01:57.599
Oh, well.

1384
01:01:57.840 --> 01:02:01.500
Yeah, there's a good chance that will be, sort of, middle of the

1385
01:02:01.500 --> 01:02:04.860
road, but we have got to do some of those. tend to go one way or

1386
01:02:04.860 --> 01:02:05.099
the other.

1387
01:02:05.159 --> 01:02:06.300
Yeah that's true.

1388
01:02:06.360 --> 01:02:07.079
That is true.

1389
01:02:07.139 --> 01:02:08.519
Oh, that was fun.

1390
01:02:08.579 --> 01:02:10.199
Far out. good episode.

1391
01:02:10.260 --> 01:02:12.119
That's a great episode.

1392
01:02:12.179 --> 01:02:12.780
So good.