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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So we're back.

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It's Star Trek, the Next Generation series 6, episode 15, Tapestry, which is written by Ronald D. Moore, as we'll soon become apparent and directed by Les Landau.

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How did you find this one?

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It's a banger.

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I mean, written by Ronald D. Moore. an endorsement.

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Directed by Les Lando.

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It could go either way. you know, it's our sort of workman like director that's done 500 90s trek episodes.

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Fortunately, he's realised he's got a banger here and I think this is really well executed.

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Me too.

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I mean, it's stately.

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It's still TNG.

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Sure.

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But we're going to new places. you know, we're going back in time.

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It tells a complex story and he does it comprehensively.

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Um, yeah, I think, oh, I'd see season six, chain of command aside, this might be the best episode of season six.

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I think it's absolutely top tier Star Trek, one of the best episodes ever.

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And watching it this time convinced me that it might even be better than I thought it was.

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You know, the premise is pretty straightforward and it's familiar to Americans, particularly, who tend to know the film.

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It's a wonderful life quite well.

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And it is very similar to that.

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And what really strikes me this time is just how incredibly great John Delancey's performance is.

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And, you know, when you go back and watch him in hide and cue or an encounter at Farpoint, and he's really stiff and he's kind of awkward.

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Overly theatrical, is it?

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Yeah, yeah.

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He's not quite sure how to play it.

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And I think he's kind of reading it that he's a rather foreboding and scary character.

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He's not cuddly in any way.

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And I think with Deja Q. You know, like he starts to come back.

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I think might be the 1st time.

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That's when he knows, okay, they're the bad guys.

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I'm just the comedy on the side.

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Yeah, yeah, maybe you're right.

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Maybe you're right.

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But certainly in data Q when he's kind of vulnerable and stuff and he's part of the crew and annoying sitcom Q, exactly.

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And and the show does tend to lean into that later with things like true Q, but this is different, isn't it?

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Like this is not quite a Twilight zone episode.

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It's not a sort of standard Star Trek episode.

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And I think this episode is the reason why we have Picard and Q in season 2 of Picard, where that relationship is the central relationship, because it's an episode where Q is teaching Picard that being like Q isn't such a bad thing after all.

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And I think it's really great and it's humane as well.

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Like Q is kinder to Picard than Picard expects and just the 2 of them together are so good.

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The 2 central performances here are so great and Q is so relaxed and so funny and so likeable in it.

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It's just excellent.

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Funny as well though, right?

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All those different roles that Q plays throughout this episode.

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Is there a Gene Luck Pickard here anywhere?

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You know, he is very, very funny as well.

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I don't think Patrick Stewart is a slouch in this episode, either, who has to play Captain Picard, as we know and love him, who has to play a version of himself as a younger man, but as Captain Picard, and then has to play a version of Captain Picard, that never made it as a captain, and it's a bit of a failure at life, and he does, oh, for free, so adeptly.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I was really struck this time through and how different.

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It's not a massive difference. you know, like it's not a caricature.

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He's not playing a completely different character.

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But there's a weird charmlessness to that version of Picard at the end of the episode in the blue uniform, which I think is really just very well done.

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It's really well charged.

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It just looks so forlorn and without authority. so unlike how he behaves usually as Captain Picard.

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Do you know what I love as well?

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is there was a period in 90s television where there was a lot of genre stuff on, right?

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The X-Files, Stargate, Buffy, Star Trek.

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There was, you know, shit heaps of TV coming out.

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And those big movies.

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It's a wonderful life, Groundhog Day, a Christmas carol.

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They all did their own versions of the big movies and the big premises.

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And what was really fun was seeing how they absorbed those ideas into their TV show.

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And I think he takes.

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It's a wonderful life and absorbs it into TNG in a way that I haven't really seen it done before.

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And I think Picard is the key because it's Picard.

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And the punishment he gets for not taking risks.

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You know, it's such a great listen, mind you, I was watching this going, you know, Joe, you leave a very sort of structured, rigid, and ordered, risk-free life.

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Perhaps you should be...

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This could be why you're still stuck in shelves in the supermarket, you know?

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There are some lessons to take from this.

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I have to say that I would be quite content working on the enterprise, doing analyses and running tests for my superiors.

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Would you?

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That sounds so boring to me.

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And I think it'd be fun.

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A lot of technical.

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I'd like to be like Gynon on the ship. you know, handing out the drinks and getting all the golfs.

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What I think is great too, is that... that there's something here about the wisdom of Picard as a young man. which I hadn't really picked up on before, which I think is really generous.

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And, you know, it's not just ourselves as young people that we're critical of.

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As you get older, you start to become critical of young people generally.

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And 21 year old Picard is kind of a shadow.

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He's an absence here because his role's been taken by present day Picard. is very well defined though.

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He is, and I really, really began to respect him for being so good at negotiating the world that he finds himself in.

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And it's interesting to see how he inept Al Picard is that dealing with that.

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So that Johnny.

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And I think the genius of giving his own name. given, you know, a name that we had never heard to mind referred to by, you know, like he's a sort of secret person that's a sort of a version of Picard that was hitherto unexpected, that Johnny is better at being Johnny than than Picard is.

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And that's the lesson that Picard has to learn is that Johnny was in his own way kind of good and clever and loyal and all of those sorts of things that Picard didn't recognise in him.

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And so I think there's something in it about accepting ourselves as young people, but also accepting young people as they negotiate the world on their terms, a world that they experience that's different from the world that we experience.

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So I just thought that was really warm and humane and really excellent.

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It reminds me of one of the other things I love about television, which is the great unseen characters in programs, you know, that I've mentioned a lot, Curzon, Dax, things like that.

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But they're so well defined, despite the fact that you've never, ever seen them.

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And, you know, you can't see them because that would ruin all the work that they've done or maybe it would be a bit of a letdown.

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Yeah, god this was wonderful.

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It is a wonderful life.

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Look, before we go into the episode, I have to say that I have been sort of exploring the bookshops on flea markets of Eastbourne lately, and I'm very, very pleased to inform you and everybody else that I have in fact found Bogeyman by Mel Gilden with Wesley Crossout, the haircut I used to.

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This is the very picture I used to take to the hairdressers all the time and say, make me look like that.

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Oh my god.

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The trouble is now, I have taken a picture of this.

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So I can put this out with the episode.

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Unfortunately, yes, he did make my hair look like this, but I look like this.

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So I, I, in no way as pretty as Will Wheaton was when he was a young man, but, um, you know, he looks very serious there.

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I can't remember.

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Fuck all about the book if I'm honest.

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I did read the back of it before I came on the call and it sounded extremely boring indeed.

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The tagline on the front cover is Wesley's childhood fears come to life.

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And take over the Enterprise.

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Oh, my God.

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So it sounds like a good, you know, season two-ish sort of episode.

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It does.

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It does. very much so.

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I think we should watch this absolute masterpiece, you know.

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I think we absolutely should.

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All right.

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I will count us in in that case.

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Five, four, three, two, one, and we're off.

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Now, something happens in this scene.

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So this is a kind of ER scene, isn't it?

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It looks very stately by our standards.

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It's hard not to imagine it with steady cam and stuff like that.

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But Beverly tells everyone to get out of the way.

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Strap out of the way, people are entering the scene.

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And then this incredible kind of tableau of people beat me.

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But all of the extras are out of the way so they're not, you know, being covered by the, which I just think is...

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We never usually do that sort of thing.

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No one ever says step out the way.

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They're beaming in.

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Yeah, but we often leave sort of big blank gaps in the shop.

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We've noticed a few, haven't we?

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Yeah, that was all I could think of.

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Yeah.

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Well, it's just because they usually hold the camera there for about 15 seconds and you're like, oh, come on now.

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We know someone's gonna appear behind you.

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That is a nasty wound he's got there.

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Yeah, yeah.

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No, it just looks like they've melted his outfit.

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I really like Jonathan acting in this.

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Do you think too, this scene here is reminiscent of Tasha Yar dying?

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Like, there's absence of a big blob on earth.

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But he does have a big blob on his shirt, but she puts those things on his head and it doesn't work.

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And I wonder whether that's definitely there.

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This is the best into the music line we ever have.

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So good.

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It's so good.

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Welcome to the Old Life.

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You're dead.

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I kind of wish they had done.

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It's very clear that it's meant to be a sort of Michelangelo thing with, you know, God reaching out his finger to Adam and we don't quite stage it like that.

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And I think probably it's too obviously John Delancey right from the beginning.

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That's really annoying because he steps into the light, doesn't he?

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And then it's suddenly John DeLancey.

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Yeah.

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It's so out of it.

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Oh, clearly him.

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Oh, well.

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Yeah, never mind.

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They were doing this stuff in a hurry, you know, we're lucky it's as good as it is.

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Well, in fact, I think the white void, and this is kind of the 1st use of it, is really, really effective here.

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Especially when they're staging fights and things like that.

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I think that's genius.

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I think that's really really good.

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When we stage the battle between young Picard and the Norsican and we do it in that white void with the with the 2 of them looking on, I think it's really excellent.

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Do you think they got the idea then?

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They're sort of going to do emissaries. soon and go, oh.

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We'll use that white void again, you know.

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Yeah, we've just got it out the back.

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Yeah, I'm in, uh, deep space now, no, we're sort of smear Vaseline all over the lens, and it's all a bit fuzzy.

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It could just be because it's anesty.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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No, this one's very crisp.

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Like, I think it always was sort of pretty crisp.

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Um, I love the dialogue here in the next in the when we come back.

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And where he just says, this is the afterlife, and I'm God.

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And like, I just think that, like, Stuart's reaction is so great.

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That's what he's saying, so funny.

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I refuse to believe the afterlife is so badly run or something.

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No, no, he says, you are not God.

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Like just straight away.

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He lives.

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It's so well done.

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Like just the 2 of them are instantly brilliant together, I think.

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What is great about this as well is they've had so much time together now.

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Picard and Q. Yeah.

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They're such a shorthand to this stuff.

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We could just go straight in on the amazing premise of Q. You know, controlling the afterlife and you just run with it because we know what Q's capable of.

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We know he can do all of this stuff.

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So maybe, maybe he is.

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Yeah, maybe he is.

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Well, I mean, he actually, like he does say, you know, I can give your life, you know, take your life away and give it back to you again with a click of my fingers if you've never seen Star Trek before.

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It's still comprehensible who this person is.

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The title tapestry is very good, but my one issue with this episode is the fact that...

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The reason for the title is explained in the last scene.

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Thank you, Jean-Luc.

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Blasphemy.

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Under the inep administrations of Dr. Beverly Crusher.

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Yes.

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Finally somebody said it.

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It's so funny.

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Georgia has, she's quite pretty mad, actually. isn't he?

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Yeah, he's got a very very period look, I think.

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I think he looks good as he's got older.

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I certainly like him a lot in series 2 of Macar.

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Oh, this is great.

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Bringing in his dad.

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And it's, have we seen him before?

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The dad?

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No.

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So we see the mother contradicting Picard series two, I think.

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We see the mother in...

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Where no one has gone before?

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Where no one has gone before.

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Here, presumably the father's dead.

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We're trying to prove this is the afterlife.

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So we bring his dead father here.

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And, you know, he looks shocked like that's how that's how Stuart's playing it, but he knows it's bullshit.

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It's just Q annoying him.

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But I love the people you've killed thing.

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Like, you know, here coming up is the sound of everyone that you've killed.

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Oh, that is chilling.

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But this is retro, like it's rewriting.

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Captain Picard. because this in no way was this in their mind when they made series one and he's that stiff bug up the butt, Captain Picard that doesn't want to make an ass of himself with children.

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I just always got the impression he'd always been a bit like this.

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Go watch family again.

223
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And, you know, he's always, yeah, you were always the career man.

224
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You were always, you know, you weren't the family man.

225
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You know, you were always on the way up.

226
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I don't think we see a lot of this until now.

227
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Except remember that this is from a series 2 episode.

228
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This premise.

229
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This is a hanging thread from series 2, and I absolutely meant to look it up before coming on the recording.

230
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Did you ever find out why you just find out that he was stabbed?

231
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I know, I think the Norticans are actually mentioned.

232
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I think that I think that the Norticans are actually mentioned in dialogue in that series 2 episode.

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So I think that it is set up as an idea.

234
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And it kind of, so this is him investigating that.

235
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So more takes something that's been set up and never followed up.

236
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But the sniff that he was this sort of fiery rebel in his youth.

237
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I don't think there's much of that before this, but it's so great.

238
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It makes Picard so much more interesting to say that he sort of rejected that, well, maybe less interesting, but...

239
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He certainly kind of becomes an old fuddy duddy in that final scene after all he's learned.

240
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Q just tosses him his fake heart.

241
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I really like how Q doesn't know as well. or at least pretends not to know.

242
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And it's kind of like, why is he doing this?

243
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Why is he starting this?

244
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And I also like the idea too.

245
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That no one else sees Q. This is all happening in his head while he's on the operating table.

246
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And so no one else is aware that Hugh's been involved in this, and that's kind of the interesting thing about the final scene if there is anything.

247
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Not only is this fight with the Norsecon, a great fight.

248
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Like, it is really well done.

249
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The, like you said, the white background makes it really stark as well.

250
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But this is the bit I was messaging you about earlier, where he's stabbed in the back and he looks at the knife and literally covered in blood, protruding from his chest and laughs, and that is so an, that's not TNG at all.

251
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That's really, it is, like, you'd expect him just to fall to the floor.

252
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But it just made me feel really sort of uncomfortable.

253
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But, but the great thing is, and it's a little bit of a shame because they lampshaded here.

254
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So you have Q saying it's so unlike you, Jean-Luc, to have a sense of humour.

255
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And the thing is that by the end of the episode, we know why he was laughing.

256
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Do you know what I mean?

257
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Like, maybe Picard looking at that flashback doesn't remember why Johnny laughs at that point, but we know why he laughs because he knows that he's getting his life back.

258
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And I just think that's so brilliant.

259
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So it's an unanswered question.

260
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It just, it surprised me.

261
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Maybe that was it.

262
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TNG doesn't surprise me very often.

263
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And that's just a shot of that boy on the floor, covered in blood, with dead eyes.

264
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That's really quite shocking.

265
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Yeah, yeah, yeah We don't see a lot of blood in TNG, do we?

266
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Oh, in 90s trait really.

267
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No, no.

268
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Yeah, it's pretty...

269
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That's a great transition where he slapped around the face before we cut to the other thing.

270
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So we're still in the white void.

271
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He's standing there, he's slapped in the face and then we come to the room where that's happening.

272
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And there's some other things where some audio comes in before, you know, the rest of a scene as well.

273
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So what we have here is Cortensweller and Marta Botanities, who are his 2 close friends whom he manages to alienate because he's so much a worker. unbelievable characters, very well played.

274
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I particularly liked her.

275
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Yeah, yeah.

276
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Do you know, I think the great genius of this is too, that they look like they're from the 1950s.

277
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Like the hair.

278
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They look like they're from the 9050s.

279
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So we have to sell.

280
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Yes, because we've got to sell it. from the past, right?

281
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This is...

282
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

283
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I think it's really great, particularly her.

284
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And, you know, she's called Marty, you know, like the character in Greece.

285
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Like, I just think there's a very definite attempt.

286
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Don't you think that he looks very 50s as well?

287
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

288
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Very movie style.

289
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What I really love is how she starts to fall for Johnny because it's Picard playing Johnny and he's suddenly a more mature considered person.

290
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That whole relationship is really, really interesting.

291
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But also, Picard underestimates Johnny because Johnny didn't decide to have sex with Marta.

292
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Like he never went there and he may have thought about it.

293
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And I think that because Johnny knew how Martin would react.

294
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Picard thinks Johnny's an idiot and so he goes for Marta and ruins it because Marta knows exactly how Johnny treats women and now she's just another notch on his bedhead.

295
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But Johnny never went there.

296
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He was wise enough not to do that.

297
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What is it about these captains, you know, that get these opportunities.

298
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Do you remember Cisco when he went to the all turnative universe and had it off with Dax, you know?

299
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Oh yeah, I never quite did that.

300
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But then Picard's doing it here as well.

301
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Actually, this is all part of Patrick Stewart's demands, wasn't it, in later season, as he goes, one.

302
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I want to direct and two, I want to have more nuking.

303
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That's what 2 demands.

304
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And he got both.

305
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I mean, he got vash, for God's sakes.

306
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Well, yes, quite literally.

307
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Look at what, look at what, I just think it's so weird what Delancey's doing in this scene with the chess board as well.

308
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Is he playing with himself?

309
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I don't know.

310
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I just think, like, it's it's interesting, fun business.

311
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And, you know, Q is a chess player. orchestrating all of this.

312
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And, you know, then he smashes it all with his his, you know, stick thing.

313
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Like all of that's great.

314
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Oh, spares your...

315
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Spare me your musings of your egotistical, pivotal nature and history.

316
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So good So, again, the idea here is we all have genre brain, right?

317
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And we know that you're not allowed to change the past and that's very wrong and we can't do that.

318
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And of course, that's super boring and also it wouldn't be true even if it was a thing.

319
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And so, um, and so Q is there to kind of diffuse that.

320
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I promise everything's going to be okay.

321
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You're not that important, even this exciting queue as opposed to the this exciting Picard, as opposed to the very boring Picard, who's very visibly not important.

322
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I don't know.

323
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I just think that that's dealing with us as viewers, as genre brain viewers, I think. genre of brain.

324
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Thank you.

325
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I do like the Q says there as well. give you my word.

326
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And I think your point, if you watch through the whole of TNG, it's possibly the most honest character in the entire show because he always says exactly what he means.

327
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Yeah, even though we don't want to hear it sometimes.

328
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He doesn't need to lie.

329
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It's a bit of a shame, you know, that they forgot in all good things.

330
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They just went on a nostalgia trip, didn't they?

331
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Rather than taking this to its sort of natural conclusion, whatever that was.

332
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Well, I'm glad that they address it.

333
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Like, I'm glad that we do get it at the end of, you know, at the end of Patrick Stewart's time in the franchise, we get to re-examine it.

334
00:23:07.140 --> 00:23:08.579
And this, then I won't die.

335
00:23:08.640 --> 00:23:10.799
Oh, yes, you'll die just at a later time.

336
00:23:11.519 --> 00:23:24.539
What you said earlier about looking back and, you know, being a bit ashamed of yourself as a youth, and just the idea of being able to go back and rectify mistakes you've made in the past.

337
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They are just such real things that we all think about.

338
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And it's such a 1000000 miles away from the usual TNG technobabble bullshit.

339
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I usually have to sit through.

340
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I just go, well, what am I supposed to think about that?

341
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No, I know what I think about this stuff because this is stuff I think about all the time.

342
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Yeah, yeah.

343
00:23:43.980 --> 00:23:58.980
Yeah, you see, like, it's, it's the penny thing which we're about to see, which I think, you know, is just, just how astonishingly inept, um, Patrick Stewart is in dealing with Penny.

344
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And it's, he thinks that he has more insight into her.

345
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But I don't think that he does because like Johnny's a hot young man and this is an older woman who just wants to fuck him and have fun and then, you know, go on to the next thing.

346
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Sounds wonderful.

347
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And that's fine.

348
00:24:20.880 --> 00:24:22.559
There's nothing wrong with that.

349
00:24:22.619 --> 00:24:27.299
But he decides to kind of analyse her and show feel pity for her.

350
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My alien was pensioning as he was going, you know, I realised, I haven't really spoken to you.

351
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I don't know much about you.

352
00:24:33.180 --> 00:24:36.299
And she goes, Johnny, I just want to fuck you, all right?

353
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I don't want to get it.

354
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No.

355
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I'm paraphrasing there.

356
00:24:40.440 --> 00:24:49.440
But he thinks he's being kind of mature and respectful to her while, in fact, what he's doing is patronising her and thinking he knows better than her.

357
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Whereas Johnny would have just had sex.

358
00:24:52.619 --> 00:24:55.799
She would have been happy and we would have just got on with the next thing.

359
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Look at her.

360
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She just wants to feel a young man's body against her.

361
00:24:59.819 --> 00:25:00.960
Oh, yeah, yeah.

362
00:25:01.559 --> 00:25:02.099
That's all right.

363
00:25:02.160 --> 00:25:02.880
What's wrong with?

364
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Conversation.

365
00:25:04.019 --> 00:25:04.680
Excuse me.

366
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Oh, dear.

367
00:25:09.000 --> 00:25:11.039
And then what's the brush off like?

368
00:25:11.039 --> 00:25:12.900
She thinks she's getting the brush off, doesn't she?

369
00:25:12.960 --> 00:25:18.359
Well, he says you're a very handsome woman.

370
00:25:19.019 --> 00:25:23.519
That's as bad as him being told he's punctual later on.

371
00:25:23.579 --> 00:25:26.220
Oh, that's genius.

372
00:25:26.279 --> 00:25:28.500
And look at her reaction to handsome.

373
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Nathan never, ever turned on an old label, all right?

374
00:25:31.980 --> 00:25:33.480
Never ever say that to me.

375
00:25:33.539 --> 00:25:35.700
I don't want your pity.

376
00:25:35.759 --> 00:25:39.240
She goes, you deserve that drink in the face.

377
00:25:39.299 --> 00:25:42.480
Why does every bar in Knightley's trek look just like this one?

378
00:25:42.539 --> 00:25:43.980
It's really terrible.

379
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It's sort of yellow light behind...

380
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Oh, it's John Delancey.

381
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Penny for your faults?

382
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I know.

383
00:25:50.579 --> 00:25:54.480
That's why that character's called Penny, so he can deliver that.

384
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It's a good joke.

385
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Look at the warmth.

386
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He smiles at her.

387
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He gives, sorry, he smiles at him.

388
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He gives him a cloth to wipe off his face.

389
00:26:03.000 --> 00:26:04.319
He gets to do some exposition.

390
00:26:04.380 --> 00:26:07.920
And like he's listening, he cares what, what Picard's saying.

391
00:26:07.980 --> 00:26:08.400
It's wonderful.

392
00:26:08.519 --> 00:26:12.240
This dumb chock game looks so boring, doesn't it?

393
00:26:12.299 --> 00:26:13.440
It looks really shit.

394
00:26:13.500 --> 00:26:15.480
But without holes.

395
00:26:15.539 --> 00:26:23.339
Well, it's snooker, but with pinball things and then with like tiny, limp, unimpressive little sticks.

396
00:26:23.400 --> 00:26:24.900
You know, between that.

397
00:26:24.960 --> 00:26:27.480
And what's that game that Tuvok plays, you know, on all the levels?

398
00:26:27.539 --> 00:26:28.380
Palto.

399
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Thank you.

400
00:26:29.099 --> 00:26:31.559
And that boring chess film we saw earlier in the episode.

401
00:26:31.680 --> 00:26:34.740
No wonder the game caught on as an exciting new game.

402
00:26:34.799 --> 00:26:36.720
They all look so tedious.

403
00:26:36.779 --> 00:26:38.940
Strategma as well.

404
00:26:39.000 --> 00:26:39.599
Remember that?

405
00:26:39.660 --> 00:26:42.480
The game gives you orgasms, so that was always going to win out.

406
00:26:42.539 --> 00:26:43.380
Yeah, that's true.

407
00:26:43.440 --> 00:26:44.339
That is true.

408
00:26:44.400 --> 00:26:45.960
You getting old, Johnny.

409
00:26:46.019 --> 00:26:47.519
I love that.

410
00:26:47.519 --> 00:26:48.720
Dask of 9050s.

411
00:26:48.779 --> 00:26:49.259
You're right.

412
00:26:49.319 --> 00:26:50.579
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

413
00:26:50.640 --> 00:26:53.460
You could put her in Vic's lounge very easily.

414
00:26:53.519 --> 00:26:55.079
Yeah, yeah, exactly.

415
00:26:55.140 --> 00:26:55.500
Exactly.

416
00:26:57.539 --> 00:27:00.000
And of course, we all knew.

417
00:27:00.059 --> 00:27:02.099
What's the fellow's name?

418
00:27:02.160 --> 00:27:03.119
The redhead?

419
00:27:03.180 --> 00:27:04.319
Corey.

420
00:27:04.440 --> 00:27:07.920
We all know or knew a Corey when we were younger, right?

421
00:27:07.980 --> 00:27:12.299
The one that was getting into trouble, that pushed things too far, that had fights.

422
00:27:12.359 --> 00:27:15.599
Yeah, I think that's a very believable character as well.

423
00:27:15.660 --> 00:27:17.099
I wonder what happened to Corey.

424
00:27:17.160 --> 00:27:17.640
Do we find out?

425
00:27:17.700 --> 00:27:19.200
No, I don't know.

426
00:27:19.259 --> 00:27:21.420
He goes off with Captain Narth and stuff.

427
00:27:21.539 --> 00:27:23.339
So I think too.

428
00:27:23.460 --> 00:27:26.579
Let's talk about the Norsicans because, Nathan, I'm so sorry.

429
00:27:26.640 --> 00:27:28.019
Did you see the alien?

430
00:27:28.079 --> 00:27:29.579
No, behind Picard.

431
00:27:29.640 --> 00:27:34.079
It's an Anticon. and a Chile in the back behind him as well.

432
00:27:34.140 --> 00:27:34.799
They're not fighting.

433
00:27:34.859 --> 00:27:37.559
There is an anticon and a Chilean that...

434
00:27:37.559 --> 00:27:39.420
It was a large meal, Lieutenant.

435
00:27:40.380 --> 00:27:52.920
So yeah, I, one of the shows that was on at the, at the same time as this was family ties, which is obviously where we get Brian Bonsall from as well.

436
00:27:52.980 --> 00:27:55.079
No, no, no.

437
00:27:55.079 --> 00:27:56.460
That's a family affair.

438
00:27:56.579 --> 00:27:57.960
There's lots of family.

439
00:27:58.019 --> 00:28:00.599
Family ties is where we get Michael J.

440
00:28:00.599 --> 00:28:01.140
Fox from.

441
00:28:01.859 --> 00:28:07.440
And Justine Bateman's boyfriend looked like a Norsican.

442
00:28:07.500 --> 00:28:11.519
This is what bad boys looked like in the sort of early 90s.

443
00:28:11.880 --> 00:28:15.180
Oh, sort of grungy with bad hair.

444
00:28:15.240 --> 00:28:18.480
Yeah, with the long hair and the plaits and earrings and stuff.

445
00:28:18.539 --> 00:28:20.279
He looks like this is so funny.

446
00:28:20.339 --> 00:28:30.539
Well, he says you see Martin Pale so far and he looks at his back. like Hugh looks behind in his back and goes, you look, I didn't pay on so far. as well.

447
00:28:30.599 --> 00:28:36.900
It's another good lesson as to why they should employ good comedy actors inside fiction.

448
00:28:36.960 --> 00:28:40.079
Because all of these transitions where John Delaney comes in.

449
00:28:40.140 --> 00:28:41.880
He's absolutely on it with the lines.

450
00:28:41.940 --> 00:28:42.660
I know.

451
00:28:42.720 --> 00:28:43.799
He's loving this.

452
00:28:43.859 --> 00:28:45.660
I think maybe more than the previous ones.

453
00:28:45.720 --> 00:28:48.000
I mean, I think he's really killing it in Q Who.

454
00:28:48.119 --> 00:28:57.900
I love, too, where his reaction here, where, you know, Picard's giving him some exposition and, you know, telling him the speech and then he says, that's a beautiful story.

455
00:28:57.960 --> 00:28:59.759
It really gets you right here.

456
00:28:59.759 --> 00:29:04.680
And like he does the stab in the heart. subtly, you know?

457
00:29:05.339 --> 00:29:06.240
Wow.

458
00:29:06.240 --> 00:29:07.740
I don't know about Subway.

459
00:29:08.640 --> 00:29:11.819
I'm not sure John Talansi does so.

460
00:29:11.880 --> 00:29:13.619
But it's wonderfully good.

461
00:29:13.680 --> 00:29:15.480
And he's being quite warm as well.

462
00:29:15.539 --> 00:29:20.279
It's pretty great Do you remember when he turned up in Torchwood, the Doctor Who spinoff?

463
00:29:20.339 --> 00:29:20.940
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

464
00:29:21.000 --> 00:29:26.519
The FBI investigator, and unfortunately, he was still playing it like you.

465
00:29:28.619 --> 00:29:35.099
I just noticed Stuart's reaction to the it gets you right here, line. pretty good.

466
00:29:35.160 --> 00:29:37.019
It's just like, yeah, I'm not going to do that.

467
00:29:37.140 --> 00:29:39.240
You know who you that Norsecan looks like?

468
00:29:39.299 --> 00:29:49.500
All the sort of people I know that have been sort of heavy into rock music covered in tattoos and things, and yet, you know, I generally find. those are the most gentle, loveliest people.

469
00:29:49.559 --> 00:29:55.980
But it's that sort of hair medal kind of look, you know, like uh, Mallory's boyfriend.

470
00:29:56.039 --> 00:30:02.039
In bar association, that one of their favourite games, the Norscans is to play darts on each other.

471
00:30:02.099 --> 00:30:04.920
They just throw darts into their body.

472
00:30:05.460 --> 00:30:05.819
Awesome.

473
00:30:06.000 --> 00:30:07.799
Oh dear.

474
00:30:07.980 --> 00:30:11.640
Doesn't Starfleet Academy look boring?

475
00:30:11.759 --> 00:30:14.099
No, I don't know where we are.

476
00:30:14.160 --> 00:30:14.700
Where are we?

477
00:30:14.759 --> 00:30:16.140
We're at something station.

478
00:30:16.200 --> 00:30:20.220
They haven't quite put anything in the window there, have they?

479
00:30:20.279 --> 00:30:20.700
Have you noticed?

480
00:30:20.759 --> 00:30:22.019
No, no.

481
00:30:22.079 --> 00:30:23.460
It's not too bad.

482
00:30:23.519 --> 00:30:24.900
There looks like a building outside.

483
00:30:25.140 --> 00:30:26.880
Oh no.

484
00:30:26.940 --> 00:30:30.119
See, now they're planning to get back at the nausicums.

485
00:30:30.539 --> 00:30:34.140
And I'm assuming Johnny would have been like, yes, let's do it.

486
00:30:34.200 --> 00:30:42.180
Yeah, no, Johnny's absolutely this because Johnny supports him and isn't a coward. isn't risk averse because that's the other thing that's happening.

487
00:30:42.240 --> 00:30:44.819
Stop being so tedious, Jean-Luc.

488
00:30:44.880 --> 00:30:46.500
Oh, I don't think we should do that, you know.

489
00:30:46.559 --> 00:30:51.900
Yeah, and that looks like that he thinks that he's being a grown-up.

490
00:30:51.960 --> 00:30:58.619
You know, that he's being a serious grown up and that he's trying to teach them how to behave like responsible adults.

491
00:30:58.680 --> 00:31:05.099
But in fact, Johnny has a better idea of how to behave under these circumstances, even though it gets him stabbed.

492
00:31:05.160 --> 00:31:11.640
What it doesn't do is alienate Marta and Corey.

493
00:31:11.700 --> 00:31:19.920
Are you trying to tell me, Nathan, that there's some hope still for that young 21 year old Joe Ford that had 15 men on the go at once?

494
00:31:20.460 --> 00:31:21.900
think so.

495
00:31:23.039 --> 00:31:26.579
He certainly had a more fun life than me, I'll say.

496
00:31:26.640 --> 00:31:28.980
Well, I don't think you should regret a 2nd of it.

497
00:31:29.039 --> 00:31:30.720
I trust me.

498
00:31:32.220 --> 00:31:34.019
Oh dear.

499
00:31:34.140 --> 00:31:37.140
Oh, now yeah, he's going to sleep with her, isn't he?

500
00:31:37.259 --> 00:31:40.920
Not quite yet, does he or does he now?

501
00:31:41.039 --> 00:31:45.839
No, because that's when Q comes in with the with the roses, doesn't he?

502
00:31:45.900 --> 00:31:47.640
Oh, I love it.

503
00:31:47.819 --> 00:31:51.900
Is there a Gene Luck Picard here or anywhere?

504
00:31:51.960 --> 00:31:56.339
And it's actually astounding just how much narrative needs to happen.

505
00:31:56.400 --> 00:32:07.799
Like how much we need Picard to explain the backstory to Q. Q keeps appearing so that Picard can tell us what really happened so that we can compare it against.

506
00:32:07.859 --> 00:32:08.940
He should know all this, right?

507
00:32:09.299 --> 00:32:11.460
If he's not omnipotent.

508
00:32:11.819 --> 00:32:12.420
We don't.

509
00:32:13.740 --> 00:32:14.339
But we don't.

510
00:32:14.400 --> 00:32:16.079
And so we need to hear it explained.

511
00:32:16.140 --> 00:32:18.900
Hugh knows he's in a TV show and we need the information.

512
00:32:18.960 --> 00:32:20.279
So he's asking all the right questions.

513
00:32:20.339 --> 00:32:21.779
I think so.

514
00:32:21.839 --> 00:32:29.160
But I also think that it does actually sell the relationship, just a warming, you know, like a kind of a warm relationship between them.

515
00:32:29.519 --> 00:32:32.039
He's got a red bow tie on.

516
00:32:32.339 --> 00:32:34.200
That's so great.

517
00:32:34.259 --> 00:32:35.579
So good.

518
00:32:35.640 --> 00:32:38.700
And just the way he waggles as he comes in.

519
00:32:38.759 --> 00:32:40.680
What surprised me as well?

520
00:32:40.740 --> 00:32:42.359
What's the structure of this episode?

521
00:32:42.420 --> 00:32:48.900
I remember this being like half and half, half in the past on half on the Enterprise later and then in fixing it.

522
00:32:48.960 --> 00:32:54.960
It's actually about 2 thirds in the past, then just 2 or 3 scenes on the Enterprise.

523
00:32:55.019 --> 00:33:04.200
Enough to sell the idea that, you know, our brand new Picard is as mundane as he could possibly be before he goes back and makes the call.

524
00:33:04.259 --> 00:33:10.440
And then it just, it doesn't end where it should because it gives us that miserable final scene that explains everything we just watched.

525
00:33:10.500 --> 00:33:14.339
But it does end sort of quickly with him just waking up on the bed.

526
00:33:14.400 --> 00:33:15.779
Yeah, yeah.

527
00:33:15.839 --> 00:33:16.259
Yeah.

528
00:33:16.319 --> 00:33:20.819
Yeah, it probably should end with him just waking up laughing on the bed, shouldn't it?

529
00:33:20.880 --> 00:33:21.900
I bet remaining.

530
00:33:21.900 --> 00:33:24.180
I don't want that last scene in that someone went swimming.

531
00:33:24.240 --> 00:33:25.079
No, no, come on now.

532
00:33:25.140 --> 00:33:30.000
Yeah, yeah, yeah. as you know, Bob, we need to explain to everybody.

533
00:33:30.059 --> 00:33:40.500
Well, I actually think it undermines, I mean, it sort of illustrates what the episode is doing, but it undermines it just by making him such a fuddy duddy at the end.

534
00:33:40.559 --> 00:33:41.880
Like so boring, you know?

535
00:33:41.940 --> 00:33:44.339
Yeah, I wouldn't we do that already, right?

536
00:33:46.619 --> 00:33:48.839
Yeah, I guess we do.

537
00:33:48.900 --> 00:33:52.200
And you know, like that is a sort of Star Trek character thing to do.

538
00:33:52.259 --> 00:34:01.259
Even that the shot, like the shot we go out on in that last scene with with Delancey smiling over the flowers is pretty great.

539
00:34:01.319 --> 00:34:12.539
You know what they might have done, Nathan, in our new, uh, and I use inverted commerce when I say this, woke genre TV, is they might have made Picard sleep with Corey instead.

540
00:34:12.599 --> 00:34:14.639
That would have been interesting.

541
00:34:16.920 --> 00:34:19.860
Yeah, so what's happening here?

542
00:34:19.920 --> 00:34:23.460
Oh, I love that the your, you are my mother line.

543
00:34:23.519 --> 00:34:24.840
You sound like my mother.

544
00:34:24.900 --> 00:34:25.980
Oh, you are my mother.

545
00:34:26.039 --> 00:34:27.719
Is he a proto-Tom Paris?

546
00:34:27.780 --> 00:34:28.559
Like Tom Paris.

547
00:34:28.619 --> 00:34:29.940
They want Tom Paris to be like this?

548
00:34:30.000 --> 00:34:32.340
Oh, we've had the 1st duty, haven't we?

549
00:34:32.400 --> 00:34:34.139
So, yeah, we have last year.

550
00:34:34.199 --> 00:34:35.460
Yeah.

551
00:34:35.519 --> 00:34:37.019
Oh, this got like an act as well.

552
00:34:37.079 --> 00:34:37.980
They could have brought him on.

553
00:34:38.039 --> 00:34:40.559
I mean, look at him. very pretty as well.

554
00:34:40.619 --> 00:34:42.119
He could have been gone out with B'lana.

555
00:34:42.179 --> 00:34:43.139
The children they would have made.

556
00:34:43.619 --> 00:34:45.900
They would have been so beautiful.

557
00:34:48.420 --> 00:34:52.860
As usual, the sort of tricks that they pull people.

558
00:34:52.920 --> 00:34:57.599
Yeah, remember when Wesley was talking about the chilli sauce and Sonic shower.

559
00:34:57.659 --> 00:35:00.239
This is sort of fiddling about with the Domjot table.

560
00:35:00.300 --> 00:35:01.739
I mean it's not very inspired, is it?

561
00:35:01.800 --> 00:35:03.480
No, no.

562
00:35:03.539 --> 00:35:05.519
But, you know, like it's okay, I guess.

563
00:35:05.639 --> 00:35:07.739
What do you think of the uniforms?

564
00:35:08.340 --> 00:35:13.260
I think I might prefer them to our TNG uniforms normally, actually.

565
00:35:13.320 --> 00:35:17.340
Yeah, so these are the uniforms they're modified, aren't they?

566
00:35:17.400 --> 00:35:19.739
They're the uniforms from the films.

567
00:35:19.800 --> 00:35:26.760
Um, uh, but this is decades after the films and what they don't have is the kind of puffy collar.

568
00:35:26.820 --> 00:35:33.119
Like they're just wearing t-shirts under the, under the jacket instead of there's a kind of collar that they, that they have.

569
00:35:33.179 --> 00:35:35.159
But they look more military.

570
00:35:35.219 --> 00:35:36.059
I think they look really good.

571
00:35:36.119 --> 00:35:37.619
I mean, how refreshing.

572
00:35:37.679 --> 00:35:38.460
This lady here.

573
00:35:38.519 --> 00:35:40.380
She's just got a blouse on some trousers.

574
00:35:40.440 --> 00:35:43.679
It's so nice to see somebody just in you know, casual clothes.

575
00:35:43.800 --> 00:35:45.659
No, she's not in casual clothes.

576
00:35:45.719 --> 00:35:46.860
She just taking her jacket off.

577
00:35:46.920 --> 00:35:47.579
That's the uniform.

578
00:35:47.639 --> 00:35:50.039
She's wearing a uniform. outside the window, Nate.

579
00:35:50.099 --> 00:35:50.699
Is that the bridge?

580
00:35:50.760 --> 00:35:51.780
It looks like a building.

581
00:35:51.840 --> 00:35:54.719
Don't you think it's like a building and a bridge and stuff?

582
00:35:54.780 --> 00:35:56.400
Like, I think that's actually quite well sold.

583
00:35:56.460 --> 00:35:57.360
That's not too bad.

584
00:35:57.420 --> 00:36:00.179
It's just a photographic blowup or something.

585
00:36:00.300 --> 00:36:03.119
Picard, you are old enough to be her father.

586
00:36:03.239 --> 00:36:05.880
Don't you dare take advantage of this young lady.

587
00:36:05.940 --> 00:36:12.539
Yeah, but that's exactly the point because he does and Johnny didn't and this is a mistake.

588
00:36:12.599 --> 00:36:18.420
And see, I like Martin because I just think it's a really relaxed performance.

589
00:36:18.539 --> 00:36:19.559
I think she's lovely.

590
00:36:19.619 --> 00:36:20.699
She seems smart.

591
00:36:20.760 --> 00:36:21.719
She's beautiful.

592
00:36:21.780 --> 00:36:24.179
Like, just, she is quite stunning.

593
00:36:24.239 --> 00:36:32.280
But then I kind of went, why is she so, like, why is she suddenly, you know, why is she convinced that they've ruined everything?

594
00:36:32.340 --> 00:36:33.420
Like that nothing happens.

595
00:36:33.480 --> 00:36:36.840
Oh, come on, Nathan, have you not slept with that friend?

596
00:36:36.840 --> 00:36:38.340
And then gone?

597
00:36:38.460 --> 00:36:40.079
Oh, okay.

598
00:36:40.199 --> 00:36:41.400
Yeah, yeah.

599
00:36:41.460 --> 00:36:42.900
But I've done it a few times.

600
00:36:43.019 --> 00:36:57.780
Well, you see, what I think, what I think is the, is the, the thing is that this is our way of saying that Johnny is better at negotiating this life than than Jean-Luc is because he never went there and because he knew.

601
00:36:58.980 --> 00:37:10.440
Does he make her less interesting as well because she's fallen for him because he is so balanced and, you know, whereas she didn't look at Johnny twice, right?

602
00:37:10.500 --> 00:37:11.699
Or was there a chemistry anyway?

603
00:37:11.760 --> 00:37:15.659
I'm assuming there was a chemistry because I think that it works.

604
00:37:15.719 --> 00:37:19.739
What works is that Picard makes a mistake that Johnny doesn't make.

605
00:37:19.800 --> 00:37:23.159
And it's the same mistake, you know, that he makes with Penny.

606
00:37:23.159 --> 00:37:25.619
And it's the same mistake that he makes with Corey.

607
00:37:25.679 --> 00:37:35.400
He's cautious, he thinks he's being mature, but he's in a world of 21 year olds and people like that and he just can't, you know, eating her face off there.

608
00:37:35.519 --> 00:37:37.619
Yeah, well, very unpleasant.

609
00:37:39.659 --> 00:37:42.659
I mean, they've done what they do in the 90s.

610
00:37:42.719 --> 00:37:44.340
They've made the 18 year olds 30.

611
00:37:44.699 --> 00:37:47.639
So it looks age appropriate, but...

612
00:37:47.639 --> 00:37:49.199
So they're 21, aren't they?

613
00:37:49.260 --> 00:37:49.920
They're all 21.

614
00:37:50.039 --> 00:37:51.659
Look at Picard.

615
00:37:51.719 --> 00:37:52.920
He's looking good, isn't he?

616
00:37:52.980 --> 00:37:55.019
Good morning darling.

617
00:37:55.079 --> 00:37:56.460
So funny.

618
00:37:56.519 --> 00:37:58.920
And then there's just a little moment of gay panic.

619
00:37:59.039 --> 00:38:03.300
Like, there's a moment where they just sit there staring at one another before he says anything.

620
00:38:03.360 --> 00:38:09.420
Then he says it and then Picard pulls the cover up, but he's actually there smiling at you for quite a little while.

621
00:38:09.420 --> 00:38:13.559
And then he pulls the cover up because he's naked, like we've just seen clothes on the floor.

622
00:38:13.619 --> 00:38:16.920
So presumably he's entirely naked because he's been fucking.

623
00:38:16.980 --> 00:38:21.300
And Q is on top of the bad clothes in in.

624
00:38:21.360 --> 00:38:24.840
But then we're just having the rest of this conversation, which I just think is great.

625
00:38:24.900 --> 00:38:26.639
He doesn't tend to get out of there.

626
00:38:26.699 --> 00:38:28.260
Be specific, all right?

627
00:38:28.320 --> 00:38:29.340
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

628
00:38:29.400 --> 00:38:29.639
Sorry.

629
00:38:30.960 --> 00:38:35.099
That's quite a nice hairy chest, actually, isn't he?

630
00:38:35.159 --> 00:38:36.059
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

631
00:38:36.119 --> 00:38:37.199
He's been working out.

632
00:38:37.260 --> 00:38:38.099
I reckon they do that.

633
00:38:38.639 --> 00:38:39.659
He's been waiting.

634
00:38:39.659 --> 00:38:46.800
There's, I can see a cephalic archery going down that cephalic vein rather going down that bicep there.

635
00:38:46.860 --> 00:38:48.300
Oh, here we go.

636
00:38:48.360 --> 00:38:48.840
Back to the bar.

637
00:38:50.159 --> 00:38:52.800
So this is the scene now, isn't it?

638
00:38:52.860 --> 00:38:57.719
Where, where we kind of change history officially and they don't have the fight.

639
00:38:57.780 --> 00:38:59.039
Yeah, yeah.

640
00:38:59.099 --> 00:39:02.340
But in order to do it, he punches Johnny, doesn't he?

641
00:39:02.460 --> 00:39:03.300
not Johnny.

642
00:39:03.360 --> 00:39:05.039
He punches Corey, he pushes him over.

643
00:39:05.099 --> 00:39:13.019
I think that, oh, Jean-Luc, you know, oh, Picard was just really shit in bed and that's why she's like, maybe that's it.

644
00:39:13.079 --> 00:39:13.860
Sorry.

645
00:39:13.920 --> 00:39:18.300
You know, beforehand, I thought you might be a goer, but now I know the truth.

646
00:39:18.360 --> 00:39:19.739
Everything's changed.

647
00:39:19.800 --> 00:39:20.280
Yeah.

648
00:39:20.579 --> 00:39:25.679
Yes, but also probably he was super cautious and just annoying.

649
00:39:25.739 --> 00:39:26.460
Do you know what I mean?

650
00:39:26.519 --> 00:39:35.460
He wasn't like a hot 21 year old, Johnny, who doesn't, you know, like doesn't give a fucking, is also kind of a bit proud of his ability to give women a good time, I think.

651
00:39:35.579 --> 00:39:36.480
Don't you think?

652
00:39:36.539 --> 00:39:49.679
I think you only have sex like a 21 year old when you're sort of my age when you're having an affair and it's someone brand. with your actual partner of 45 Yes, you're right.

653
00:39:49.739 --> 00:39:50.579
You're very considered.

654
00:39:50.639 --> 00:39:52.079
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

655
00:39:52.139 --> 00:39:54.360
So I just think that, you know, it wasn't as much fun.

656
00:39:54.420 --> 00:40:03.659
But it is like he avoided it because he knows how he treats women and he knows how Marta thinks of it and he doesn't want to end up in that category.

657
00:40:03.719 --> 00:40:06.780
He doesn't want to put Marta in that category and he would never have gone there.

658
00:40:07.619 --> 00:40:11.400
And he does completely ruin these relationships.

659
00:40:11.460 --> 00:40:12.119
Yeah.

660
00:40:12.119 --> 00:40:12.960
Yeah.

661
00:40:13.320 --> 00:40:19.619
And I'm assuming in the original timeline that those friendships thrived, right?

662
00:40:19.679 --> 00:40:21.840
He explicitly says that, doesn't he?

663
00:40:21.900 --> 00:40:27.659
He says that Johnny, he says that Corey and I go on to be friends for many years after this.

664
00:40:28.079 --> 00:40:35.280
Unfortunately, since Encounter at Far Point, neither of them have been mentioned, but you know, never mind.

665
00:40:35.340 --> 00:40:35.940
No, you know.

666
00:40:36.000 --> 00:40:38.760
Johnny's never been mentioned as a person either.

667
00:40:38.940 --> 00:40:41.519
Every time the car goes back to his quarters.

668
00:40:41.579 --> 00:40:45.119
He writes a pen letter to Corey, you know, and rings up the other one.

669
00:40:45.179 --> 00:40:47.340
Yep, no, rings murder up.

670
00:40:47.400 --> 00:40:49.619
Exactly. managed to get slapped by one woman.

671
00:40:49.679 --> 00:40:53.159
A drink thrown in your face by another and alienate both of your best friends.

672
00:40:53.219 --> 00:40:54.539
You're doing pretty well so far.

673
00:40:54.599 --> 00:40:56.460
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

674
00:40:56.519 --> 00:40:57.719
And what's this?

675
00:40:57.780 --> 00:40:59.940
So see what he's got holding up to his head?

676
00:41:00.000 --> 00:41:04.559
Like, it's holding up this leak or something or like a spinach.

677
00:41:04.559 --> 00:41:08.760
And then she just takes some bite out of it for like no reason at the end of that line.

678
00:41:08.820 --> 00:41:10.199
It's so great.

679
00:41:10.260 --> 00:41:11.219
It's so funny.

680
00:41:11.280 --> 00:41:14.460
It's like, you will look at me in this scene, all right?

681
00:41:14.519 --> 00:41:16.980
He could be at the front, but you will look at me.

682
00:41:17.039 --> 00:41:17.940
I want business.

683
00:41:18.000 --> 00:41:19.500
I need to have business.

684
00:41:19.559 --> 00:41:22.320
Well, like with the chess sport, you know.

685
00:41:22.679 --> 00:41:27.780
I mean, it's a lot of business, didn't he, John DeLancey, and it's wrong.

686
00:41:28.500 --> 00:41:32.519
But it's easy to see why he's a fan favourite. isn't it?

687
00:41:32.579 --> 00:41:33.300
Oh, yeah.

688
00:41:33.300 --> 00:41:35.039
He livens up this show.

689
00:41:35.099 --> 00:41:38.519
This very serious show every time he turns out.

690
00:41:38.699 --> 00:41:42.420
They just need that element of chaos in this show sometimes.

691
00:41:42.480 --> 00:41:45.480
I think this is the best episode he's in.

692
00:41:46.619 --> 00:41:50.760
And I think Q-Hoo.

693
00:41:50.760 --> 00:41:54.420
Reasonable, you know, a competing claim.

694
00:41:54.480 --> 00:41:58.199
But I think he's so much better in this than he is in Q Who.

695
00:41:58.260 --> 00:42:00.480
I think you are still about space things.

696
00:42:00.599 --> 00:42:02.219
Well, it's about the book, isn't it?

697
00:42:02.280 --> 00:42:06.659
I think you could technically be called by some people the best Borg episode.

698
00:42:06.719 --> 00:42:07.980
Maybe not the best queue apps.

699
00:42:08.039 --> 00:42:10.380
De Jacques Q is a brilliant queue episode.

700
00:42:10.679 --> 00:42:11.219
It is pretty great.

701
00:42:11.280 --> 00:42:12.000
It is very good.

702
00:42:12.059 --> 00:42:16.320
But I think there's more to it this than that.

703
00:42:16.380 --> 00:42:19.559
Oh, we're about to learn the Nausean word for testicles.

704
00:42:19.619 --> 00:42:21.539
Keep an eye out.

705
00:42:21.599 --> 00:42:23.880
They do run with this though, don't they?

706
00:42:23.940 --> 00:42:28.500
Because then every sort of character that we meet, Tom Paris, Cisco.

707
00:42:28.559 --> 00:42:30.719
They've all had bar fights when they were younger.

708
00:42:30.840 --> 00:42:32.820
We're norticans.

709
00:42:32.880 --> 00:42:33.119
Yeah.

710
00:42:33.179 --> 00:42:37.380
Because they have Gurumba, which is obviously the Norsican for testicles.

711
00:42:37.440 --> 00:42:39.059
Oh, really?

712
00:42:39.119 --> 00:42:41.280
But they probably throw dolls in nose as well.

713
00:42:41.760 --> 00:42:43.619
That's the very idea.

714
00:42:43.679 --> 00:42:46.679
Yeah, look, and Corey rushes to defend.

715
00:42:46.739 --> 00:42:49.739
Oh, there is some wait till we remount this.

716
00:42:49.800 --> 00:42:58.739
So this is him successfully avoiding being stabbed by pushing Corey over the bar stool and over the table and ruining their friendship forever.

717
00:42:58.800 --> 00:43:00.300
Look at him.

718
00:43:00.360 --> 00:43:01.260
He's furious.

719
00:43:01.320 --> 00:43:03.659
Oh, I don't know who you are anymore.

720
00:43:03.719 --> 00:43:05.820
Yeah, but you're not my friend.

721
00:43:05.880 --> 00:43:08.280
Like that's that's pretty great.

722
00:43:08.400 --> 00:43:12.360
And she should have fallen out with, and you were just terrible in bed.

723
00:43:12.420 --> 00:43:15.900
You're a dud rude, is what we say in Australia.

724
00:43:15.960 --> 00:43:17.760
Dodge Roo.

725
00:43:17.820 --> 00:43:19.559
Yep, you're a dud root.

726
00:43:22.619 --> 00:43:23.280
Oh my god.

727
00:43:23.340 --> 00:43:24.900
These are my favourite scenes now.

728
00:43:24.960 --> 00:43:26.760
Mr. Picard.

729
00:43:26.820 --> 00:43:27.840
The lieutenant.

730
00:43:28.920 --> 00:43:30.119
Junior Grace.

731
00:43:30.179 --> 00:43:36.000
And again, Wharf's line comes in before we come to the Enterprise Bridge.

732
00:43:36.059 --> 00:43:37.559
So really suddenly.

733
00:43:37.619 --> 00:43:48.900
And we get in and out of these, you know, dream sequences, not with special effects or anything like that, but just with, you know, the director cutting to a different thing. which I just think is much, much better.

734
00:43:48.960 --> 00:43:53.400
And also I think the look of him in that blue outfit.

735
00:43:53.460 --> 00:43:54.780
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

736
00:43:54.840 --> 00:43:59.159
But his body language, he sort of carries into himself a little bit.

737
00:43:59.219 --> 00:44:00.659
He never smiles.

738
00:44:00.719 --> 00:44:02.820
He always looks, he looks a bit pathetic.

739
00:44:02.880 --> 00:44:04.199
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

740
00:44:04.920 --> 00:44:05.880
Which is kind of the idea.

741
00:44:06.000 --> 00:44:10.860
I mean, especially the bit where he goes up to Will and Deanna in 10 forward.

742
00:44:11.579 --> 00:44:14.280
Please stay, counsellor.

743
00:44:14.340 --> 00:44:15.659
I would like your counsel too.

744
00:44:15.719 --> 00:44:16.320
Oh boy.

745
00:44:16.380 --> 00:44:18.239
It was so, so sad.

746
00:44:18.300 --> 00:44:24.420
But also as well, we've seen so many of these episodes now where they rewrite the timelines, parallels.

747
00:44:24.480 --> 00:44:25.860
You could pull them out of your arse, right?

748
00:44:25.920 --> 00:44:41.820
And this is only for a couple of scenes, and sometimes it does feel like they're manoeuvring the actors into positions where they're not comfortable, whereas I absolutely believe Michael Dawn, Jonathan Fraser, Marina, how they all treat him in this.

749
00:44:41.880 --> 00:44:44.280
This is how TNG has always been.

750
00:44:44.340 --> 00:44:45.840
Yeah, yeah.

751
00:44:45.900 --> 00:44:53.639
It's really, it's just terribly well done, and I think it's because the character stuff is so obvious that the actors know exactly what's happening.

752
00:44:53.699 --> 00:44:57.300
It's not a space thing that they have to decide how they feel about it.

753
00:44:57.360 --> 00:44:59.579
This is a real thing, I think.

754
00:44:59.639 --> 00:45:12.960
But when Ron Moore reached for the Thesaurus, for the different words that described mundanity, that Picard gets thrown at him in a minute, I was just like, with everyone, I was going, ooh.

755
00:45:13.019 --> 00:45:13.860
Oh, God.

756
00:45:13.980 --> 00:45:20.039
It's the, it's the way that it's, it's the word punctual. where there's a big pause.

757
00:45:20.099 --> 00:45:24.179
There's a big pause. feel like I should say one more.

758
00:45:24.239 --> 00:45:32.159
Yeah, you can see, you can see Ryka trying to think of the next thing and he comes up with punctual and then kind of stares for a second.

759
00:45:32.219 --> 00:45:34.500
I think it's a brilliant comedy delivery.

760
00:45:34.559 --> 00:45:38.760
Like, it's one of the laugh out. like in an episode with John Delancey in it.

761
00:45:38.820 --> 00:45:45.539
I think Frank's, you know, comes 2nd at like comic delivery of a line at that moment.

762
00:45:45.599 --> 00:45:51.840
Almost as good as when Troy called Riker seasoned in best of both worlds.

763
00:45:51.900 --> 00:45:54.000
The words you never want to hear.

764
00:45:54.059 --> 00:45:57.000
You're so reliable, you know?

765
00:45:57.000 --> 00:46:01.139
And look at poor Troy.

766
00:46:01.199 --> 00:46:02.760
She goes, oh, maybe I should go, yeah?

767
00:46:02.880 --> 00:46:03.960
yeah.

768
00:46:04.019 --> 00:46:11.340
Because she knows him and has an opinion about him, you know, like, here we go.

769
00:46:11.400 --> 00:46:13.139
Oh, punctual.

770
00:46:13.199 --> 00:46:13.679
Oh no.

771
00:46:15.420 --> 00:46:18.000
So what would you say about me?

772
00:46:18.119 --> 00:46:20.940
I think as if I'm capable of command, you know?

773
00:46:21.000 --> 00:46:22.260
Please.

774
00:46:22.260 --> 00:46:26.820
It's the look that he gives him when he says punctual.

775
00:46:26.940 --> 00:46:28.559
It kind of like, is that all right?

776
00:46:28.619 --> 00:46:31.019
You know, like, it's pretty great.

777
00:46:31.079 --> 00:46:34.619
And Troy's not even looking him in the eye at that point.

778
00:46:34.860 --> 00:46:36.239
No.

779
00:46:36.239 --> 00:46:37.139
Oh, God.

780
00:46:37.199 --> 00:46:39.059
Oh, no, now she is.

781
00:46:39.179 --> 00:46:40.559
Look at the pity on her face.

782
00:46:40.619 --> 00:46:41.940
Yeah, yeah.

783
00:46:42.000 --> 00:46:57.539
And again, also, I think, too, what's happening here is that this is less like a realistic scene, and it is much more like Q has sort of manoeuvred these characters in to deliver the, you know, the moral of the story.

784
00:46:57.659 --> 00:47:13.440
So we get this little chorus where the 2 of them are saying what has gone wrong with his life in this really quick way, rather than us discovering it, we don't have time to discover that he's like that, we need to be told, but getting those characters to do it is really good, I think.

785
00:47:13.500 --> 00:47:15.539
So on the nose though, isn't it?

786
00:47:15.599 --> 00:47:17.940
Because he didn't take that one risk in the past.

787
00:47:18.000 --> 00:47:23.340
So he's never taken a risk in his life and I'm not sure. psychology or life works like that.

788
00:47:23.400 --> 00:47:25.500
But for the purposes of the episode.

789
00:47:25.559 --> 00:47:34.920
Yeah, but I also think that if he, it's the kind of thing where if Johnny, because that's the other thing you, when you're a kid, like sometimes it doesn't work.

790
00:47:34.980 --> 00:47:35.820
Do you know what I mean?

791
00:47:35.880 --> 00:47:49.679
Like, some kids don't survive the bar fight with the Nausicans, but, but, um, if he had taken that, you know, what it is that makes him become a captain, what it is that makes him stand out is a willingness to take risks.

792
00:47:49.739 --> 00:47:55.739
And because he's cautious because he's a middle-aged man and he's too cautious to be a 21 year old.

793
00:47:55.800 --> 00:47:57.059
You know, he kind of fucks it up.

794
00:47:57.179 --> 00:48:01.019
This is a terrific bit of action where he just sits there.

795
00:48:01.079 --> 00:48:05.940
Like he wants to be angry, but he contains it and he goes, all right, Q, you've made your point.

796
00:48:06.000 --> 00:48:08.219
You know, is this what you want for me?

797
00:48:09.360 --> 00:48:11.340
Yeah, yeah.

798
00:48:11.400 --> 00:48:13.019
I mean, yeah.

799
00:48:13.139 --> 00:48:16.440
This is the, the Geordie choice.

800
00:48:16.440 --> 00:48:17.280
It's the uniform.

801
00:48:17.340 --> 00:48:19.500
He looks more stiff than usual.

802
00:48:20.400 --> 00:48:23.219
Surely the colour just can't do that.

803
00:48:23.280 --> 00:48:24.719
Yeah, yeah.

804
00:48:24.780 --> 00:48:26.940
But I think it makes him look pale as well.

805
00:48:27.000 --> 00:48:29.460
Like, I think it makes his complexion look different.

806
00:48:29.519 --> 00:48:32.639
It's, um, it's...

807
00:48:32.639 --> 00:48:36.659
Does it amuse you to think of me as a dreary man with a tedious job?

808
00:48:36.780 --> 00:48:38.519
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

809
00:48:38.579 --> 00:48:39.480
Oh, here's gold again.

810
00:48:40.679 --> 00:48:44.400
If you a 2nd chance at life, John Luke, you know?

811
00:48:45.119 --> 00:48:47.699
And all you do is complain.

812
00:48:47.760 --> 00:48:48.480
Oh, I love him.

813
00:48:48.539 --> 00:48:51.300
Can't Q be a member of the crew, please?

814
00:48:51.360 --> 00:48:52.260
Oh, no, we tried that.

815
00:48:52.320 --> 00:48:54.179
Well, he nearly was, yeah, yeah.

816
00:48:57.239 --> 00:48:59.039
Banju, isn't that?

817
00:48:59.099 --> 00:49:04.559
That's basically what Picard becomes before Picard starts, right?

818
00:49:04.619 --> 00:49:09.420
Is there's that terrible accident and he goes off and lives a very safe life in the vineyard?

819
00:49:09.659 --> 00:49:32.519
Well, I think I think what happens is he pulls out of Starfleet because he wanted to help the Romulans and um, had Starfleet's guarantee that he would help the Romulans and then the thing on Mars happened and and Starfleet became cautious and insular and he was now no longer permitted to help.

820
00:49:32.579 --> 00:49:34.920
And he just said, well, fuck it, I'm off.

821
00:49:34.980 --> 00:49:37.139
Then in that case, if I can't help, what's the point?

822
00:49:37.199 --> 00:49:42.599
It's so funny though, when he's back on a ship, you know, he's down on that planet in, what's that called?

823
00:49:42.659 --> 00:49:48.420
Starlight Rag City with the pirate costume mom and he's back in the thick of it again and having the best time.

824
00:49:48.480 --> 00:49:50.099
That's who he does.

825
00:49:50.159 --> 00:49:51.780
Thus city rag.

826
00:49:51.840 --> 00:49:53.219
He's an adventurer.

827
00:49:53.280 --> 00:49:54.059
He an explorer.

828
00:49:54.239 --> 00:50:00.179
Yeah, and all of this stuff, you know, now Q. So everyone explains it to him.

829
00:50:00.239 --> 00:50:03.360
Like this is a very, very talky episode, isn't it?

830
00:50:03.420 --> 00:50:23.940
It's very talky, but just because it's these 2 most of the time, and they're so great, and the dialogue is so good, that it's fine. if the philosophical discussion is interesting and it's funny and it's sort of lightly jumping from one scene setting to another.

831
00:50:24.000 --> 00:50:25.019
I don't know.

832
00:50:25.079 --> 00:50:28.199
I think this moves at a lick, even though there is a lot of talk.

833
00:50:28.260 --> 00:50:39.480
I really like this too, where he just asks, like, he doesn't berate Q. He doesn't do anything.

834
00:50:39.539 --> 00:50:41.579
He just says, you were right.

835
00:50:41.639 --> 00:50:43.260
I made a bad call.

836
00:50:43.320 --> 00:50:45.360
Can you fix it for me?

837
00:50:45.480 --> 00:50:46.980
And he just asks.

838
00:50:48.000 --> 00:50:49.320
We have been there before, Nathan.

839
00:50:49.440 --> 00:50:51.000
Do you know, remember in Q Who?

840
00:50:51.059 --> 00:50:53.159
when you want me to say I need you?

841
00:50:53.219 --> 00:50:54.840
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I need you.

842
00:50:54.900 --> 00:50:55.679
I need you.

843
00:50:55.739 --> 00:50:58.619
But this is a bit less kind of over the top.

844
00:50:58.679 --> 00:51:02.099
Now, look, there's some incredible stunt double work in this.

845
00:51:02.219 --> 00:51:03.239
Oh, let me pay attention.

846
00:51:03.300 --> 00:51:05.219
Particularly martyr.

847
00:51:05.280 --> 00:51:07.739
Marta has a really...

848
00:51:08.340 --> 00:51:11.099
And then there's one shot.

849
00:51:11.159 --> 00:51:14.579
There's like Mara being attacked by the thing.

850
00:51:14.639 --> 00:51:17.280
Whenever you see Marta from the back, it says stunt double.

851
00:51:17.340 --> 00:51:23.519
There's one really bad shot of Stuart's tub double, it's really great.

852
00:51:24.420 --> 00:51:27.119
Look, they're tearing this bar apart.

853
00:51:27.179 --> 00:51:28.260
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

854
00:51:28.320 --> 00:51:30.659
They really beat the shit out of pottery.

855
00:51:30.659 --> 00:51:31.619
He tops that.

856
00:51:31.619 --> 00:51:33.420
Norsacan right over his shoulder.

857
00:51:33.960 --> 00:51:36.900
God, you know, I hate stabbings.

858
00:51:36.960 --> 00:51:38.940
Oh, that's the one way I wouldn't want to go.

859
00:51:39.000 --> 00:51:43.079
Yeah, it's a particularly English thing to do, I think.

860
00:51:43.199 --> 00:51:44.880
Well, spam, yeah.

861
00:51:44.880 --> 00:51:47.340
Yeah, so I bought school, it certainly was, yeah.

862
00:51:47.400 --> 00:51:48.300
Oh my god.

863
00:51:48.420 --> 00:51:50.579
But there, he laughs.

864
00:51:50.639 --> 00:51:51.780
Now we know why he laughed.

865
00:51:51.840 --> 00:51:53.460
You know, it's perfect.

866
00:51:53.519 --> 00:51:57.420
Most of there, cutting from him being stabbed to laughing on the bed.

867
00:51:57.539 --> 00:51:58.800
That is iconic right?

868
00:51:58.860 --> 00:52:01.559
That is a definitive TNG moment.

869
00:52:01.679 --> 00:52:06.420
And it should end with us pulling up away from the bed.

870
00:52:06.480 --> 00:52:07.920
What if it is?

871
00:52:08.519 --> 00:52:09.900
Absolutely.

872
00:52:09.960 --> 00:52:10.260
Yep.

873
00:52:10.380 --> 00:52:13.500
No, we still got one moment of...

874
00:52:13.500 --> 00:52:14.460
Oh, yes.

875
00:52:14.519 --> 00:52:21.599
Now we need Beverly to explain to us that he's going to be all right, even though he's the main character of the show and it's on next week.

876
00:52:21.659 --> 00:52:24.539
Of course, she's all right. yeah that's right.

877
00:52:24.659 --> 00:52:25.980
That's right.

878
00:52:26.039 --> 00:52:27.960
I know, I know.

879
00:52:28.320 --> 00:52:30.780
I still don't know what to make of it.

880
00:52:30.840 --> 00:52:31.500
Well that's fine.

881
00:52:31.559 --> 00:52:32.699
Q credits.

882
00:52:34.260 --> 00:52:36.539
They didn't explain anything.

883
00:52:36.900 --> 00:52:47.519
I mean, I, the one thing I took away from this scene was I liked Riker being impressed learning about, you know, young Johnny in this impetuous.

884
00:52:47.579 --> 00:52:58.260
I do like that, but it's still, I think it's a little bit crap and it's pretty hard for Jonathan to find a way of playing it that doesn't just seem incredibly cheesy and slightly patronising.

885
00:52:58.380 --> 00:53:00.539
I remember debt of gratitude.

886
00:53:00.599 --> 00:53:01.019
Yes.

887
00:53:01.079 --> 00:53:02.340
Oh yes, yes.

888
00:53:02.400 --> 00:53:05.340
There are parts of my youth proud of.

889
00:53:05.400 --> 00:53:06.000
We know.

890
00:53:06.119 --> 00:53:07.019
We've watched that.

891
00:53:07.559 --> 00:53:11.099
Yes, we saw all of that, but he shouldn't be saying that now.

892
00:53:11.219 --> 00:53:14.639
Do you know what information that should be saying?

893
00:53:14.699 --> 00:53:15.239
You did it.

894
00:53:15.300 --> 00:53:16.559
Yeah, yeah.

895
00:53:16.619 --> 00:53:17.760
How did that work out for you?

896
00:53:17.820 --> 00:53:22.199
Like, it's not, it's like, forget it, learn something.

897
00:53:22.260 --> 00:53:25.260
Unravelled the tapestry of my life.

898
00:53:25.320 --> 00:53:25.980
Yes thank you.

899
00:53:26.340 --> 00:53:39.360
But I mean, what really happened is that he discovered that Johnny was better at negotiating the life of a 21 year old in his situation than Picard himself would have been.

900
00:53:39.480 --> 00:53:43.679
I'm saying they found that we shone for his current position.

901
00:53:43.739 --> 00:53:47.880
To quote another TNG episode, you're saying that we shouldn't have 2nd chances.

902
00:53:48.119 --> 00:53:50.099
Yeah, then we did.

903
00:53:50.159 --> 00:53:51.719
We did get that title in there, didn't we?

904
00:53:52.500 --> 00:53:54.780
Maybe that's the theme this year.

905
00:53:54.840 --> 00:53:57.420
I'll go looking, because that's another one.

906
00:53:57.659 --> 00:54:00.000
You get another run at something.

907
00:54:00.059 --> 00:54:14.099
I think that's a really good episode too, because it is a standard science fiction plot that's used to do a character thing, which I think is really well. 2nd chance is it's so drabbily directed, but it's a good script and it's well acted.

908
00:54:14.159 --> 00:54:14.579
Yeah, yeah.

909
00:54:14.639 --> 00:54:20.579
Whereas I think this episode was really, very well directed, a really well cast as well.

910
00:54:20.760 --> 00:54:24.539
I think it does a really good job of the fantasy staff.

911
00:54:24.599 --> 00:54:40.619
Like, there's a couple of special effects where you see Q appearing and disappearing, but on the whole, he just appears as the camera moves around and there he is in shot suddenly, or he appears suddenly behind you, and, you know, we cut between fantasy sequences and past sequences in the present.

912
00:54:40.679 --> 00:54:41.880
We don't do anything fancy.

913
00:54:41.940 --> 00:54:46.559
We've seen that stuff done quite badly, you know, already in this podcast.

914
00:54:46.619 --> 00:54:49.260
You know, I got very confused there for a second.

915
00:54:49.320 --> 00:54:53.159
The next episode started and it's a pan around Deep Space 9.

916
00:54:53.219 --> 00:54:54.480
I went, what, what's going on?

917
00:54:54.539 --> 00:54:55.920
Oh, they said birthright?

918
00:54:55.920 --> 00:54:56.760
It's birthright next.

919
00:54:56.820 --> 00:54:57.000
Yes.

920
00:54:57.059 --> 00:54:59.340
I'm much more boring episode than this.

921
00:55:00.719 --> 00:55:05.039
But let's just say that Ron Moore took a hold of.

922
00:55:05.099 --> 00:55:06.300
It's a Wonderful Life.

923
00:55:06.360 --> 00:55:11.760
He transposed it onto TNG and it was a roaring success.

924
00:55:11.820 --> 00:55:14.820
It's one of the best versions of this story, I think I've seen.

925
00:55:14.880 --> 00:55:27.179
Primarily because it takes a character and reveals like fantastic new shades, but it also, it just really drives home that point, that moral of take a risk, you know?

926
00:55:27.840 --> 00:55:29.400
Yeah.

927
00:55:29.460 --> 00:55:34.679
But also, like, don't be hard on you as a young person.

928
00:55:34.739 --> 00:55:36.719
And young people generally.

929
00:55:36.780 --> 00:55:38.340
I just think there's something really humane.

930
00:55:38.400 --> 00:55:42.300
And it wasn't really central to that final scene, which I think is a shame.

931
00:55:42.300 --> 00:55:54.960
That Picard learns that if it wasn't for Johnny, he wouldn't be who he is today and that Johnny is good at things that he wouldn't have been good at in that same position.

932
00:55:55.199 --> 00:56:06.780
Yeah, I think there's something to regard yourself, even making faltering dumb mistakes, all of that sort of thing that doesn't mean that you're bad or incompetent.

933
00:56:06.840 --> 00:56:07.739
Exactly right.

934
00:56:07.800 --> 00:56:08.159
Yeah.

935
00:56:08.340 --> 00:56:17.219
I'm as special as I am, Nathan, because of all those fucking stupid choices I make, but I wish there were many.

936
00:56:17.280 --> 00:56:42.000
I think the other thing that really came out of this for me, because we've done a couple now, and that is when you look as TNG as a whole, John Delansey really is an MVP of, you know, not the MVP, but he's one of them, you know, and every time he shows up, I think unanimously it is greeted, you know, with applause.

937
00:56:42.059 --> 00:56:43.559
Now that's got to say something.

938
00:56:51.300 --> 00:56:57.659
All right, it's the end of the episode and it's time for us to find out where we're going next.

939
00:56:57.719 --> 00:56:59.760
This one was my excellent choice.

940
00:56:59.820 --> 00:57:01.199
I have a history of those.

941
00:57:01.260 --> 00:57:06.420
And so it's your time to take us somewhere terrible, like perhaps enterprise.

942
00:57:06.480 --> 00:57:11.340
I don't think you do have a history of taking us to excellent choices, you know.

943
00:57:12.360 --> 00:57:15.840
Two times out of three, you choose Enterprise.

944
00:57:15.900 --> 00:57:16.980
Yeah that is true.

945
00:57:17.039 --> 00:57:18.539
I think certainly true.

946
00:57:18.599 --> 00:57:20.880
We should go back and have a look, actually, and see.

947
00:57:20.940 --> 00:57:24.000
And do the statistics of whose hit rate is better.

948
00:57:24.059 --> 00:57:26.039
You or me. choosing this shit episode.

949
00:57:26.340 --> 00:57:30.780
I mean, I'll take us to DS9 quite a lot and that's usually a good thing.

950
00:57:30.840 --> 00:57:31.500
That helps.

951
00:57:31.739 --> 00:57:34.440
So guess where I'm going to take us today.

952
00:57:34.800 --> 00:57:37.139
DS 9. right.

953
00:57:38.400 --> 00:57:41.940
Now, look, come on, now we've got a form of doing this now.

954
00:57:42.000 --> 00:57:46.139
We do a voyager, or we do a TNG and then we do a TS9, you know.

955
00:57:46.199 --> 00:57:47.579
That's fair.

956
00:57:47.639 --> 00:57:58.739
I think I fancy something, you know, after a true turkey in Alice and an absolute gym in tapestry, I might try and see if I can seek out something a bit mid, yeah?

957
00:57:58.800 --> 00:57:59.400
Okay.

958
00:57:59.460 --> 00:57:59.940
Yeah.

959
00:58:00.780 --> 00:58:02.280
Middle of the road?

960
00:58:02.340 --> 00:58:03.659
Let's see what we get.

961
00:58:06.719 --> 00:58:07.980
Oh, God, where have we gone?

962
00:58:08.039 --> 00:58:08.519
Here we go.

963
00:58:08.579 --> 00:58:13.380
A random Star Trek Deep Space 9 episode is season five.

964
00:58:13.440 --> 00:58:14.280
Oh, that's a good start.

965
00:58:14.340 --> 00:58:16.019
Fucking hell.

966
00:58:16.079 --> 00:58:19.139
It's always trying to make us do this one and we always skip past it.

967
00:58:19.199 --> 00:58:20.579
Episode five.

968
00:58:20.639 --> 00:58:21.480
The assignment.

969
00:58:21.539 --> 00:58:23.039
It's Rosalyn Chow again.

970
00:58:23.159 --> 00:58:24.599
No, no, no.

971
00:58:24.659 --> 00:58:30.599
No, I don't want to do that, though, because I feel that we're going to run out of Rosalind Chow if we do that.

972
00:58:30.659 --> 00:58:32.460
Okay, right, that's fine.

973
00:58:32.519 --> 00:58:35.820
I want to sort of eke her out for out because, no, that's fair enough.

974
00:58:35.880 --> 00:58:37.800
Time's off and proved.

975
00:58:37.860 --> 00:58:39.179
You know, she is great.

976
00:58:39.300 --> 00:58:40.559
She is pretty good.

977
00:58:40.619 --> 00:58:42.119
Okay, let's see what's next.

978
00:58:42.179 --> 00:58:43.920
Oh, is this meat?

979
00:58:44.099 --> 00:58:46.079
Meet the good.

980
00:58:46.139 --> 00:58:47.820
Meet to good.

981
00:58:47.880 --> 00:58:52.920
Okay, your random Star Trek Deep Space 9 episode is... season one.

982
00:58:52.980 --> 00:58:53.699
Uh-oh.

983
00:58:53.760 --> 00:58:54.300
Ooh.

984
00:58:54.480 --> 00:58:56.940
Episode 17.

985
00:58:57.179 --> 00:58:58.980
The Forsaken.

986
00:58:59.159 --> 00:59:01.440
It's Mrs. Troy.

987
00:59:01.500 --> 00:59:03.059
Oh, is it?

988
00:59:03.119 --> 00:59:05.699
It's Mrs. Troy in in the lift.

989
00:59:05.760 --> 00:59:06.480
It's that one.

990
00:59:06.599 --> 00:59:16.559
And there's also some kind of thing that comes and lives in the computer of the of the station or something, which sounds very mid.

991
00:59:16.619 --> 00:59:30.599
And also, I think Dr. Pashir is forced to deal with the ambassadors of unhappy, the most miserable ambassadors to the station we've ever had, and he's the one that's put to look after him.

992
00:59:30.659 --> 00:59:32.400
There's like three, there's lots happening in it.

993
00:59:32.460 --> 00:59:33.599
Oh, let's do that one.

994
00:59:33.659 --> 00:59:35.099
Okay, all right.

995
00:59:42.840 --> 00:59:54.539
You've been listening to entitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford and Nathan Bottomley, where online and entitled Star Trek Project.com, where you can find subscription links and links to our social media accounts.

996
00:59:54.599 --> 00:59:59.940
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Cisrin, and the theme was composed by Cameron Lamb.

997
01:00:00.000 --> 01:00:06.000
This episode was recorded on the 10th of June 2025 and released on the 13th of June.

998
01:00:06.059 --> 01:00:10.920
We'll see you next time for Star Trek Deep Space 9, The Forsaken.

999
01:00:26.099 --> 01:00:29.099
So, what's it called again, the Forsaken?

1000
01:00:29.159 --> 01:00:30.480
The forsaken, yes.

1001
01:00:30.539 --> 01:00:33.659
I mean, it's Majel, and so happy days.

1002
01:00:33.719 --> 01:00:38.760
We've done, we've done Migel on, on Deep State Stone already, haven't we, at one point?

1003
01:00:38.820 --> 01:00:40.619
Do you know what that would leave?

1004
01:00:40.619 --> 01:00:44.219
That would leave only fascinations left for her.

1005
01:00:45.300 --> 01:00:46.739
Awesome.

1006
01:00:47.340 --> 01:00:51.360
I mean, we haven't done too much of one, have we?

1007
01:00:51.420 --> 01:00:57.300
We've done a couple And it is always interesting to see a show forming.

1008
01:00:57.420 --> 01:00:59.159
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

1009
01:00:59.219 --> 01:01:01.800
And absolutely, it does a tail end of one.

1010
01:01:01.860 --> 01:01:04.619
So I think they're sort of slowly getting there.

1011
01:01:04.679 --> 01:01:05.699
Yep.

1012
01:01:05.760 --> 01:01:06.300
Yeah.

1013
01:01:06.360 --> 01:01:12.300
But at the same time, they're still doing backhanders to TNG.

1014
01:01:12.360 --> 01:01:18.960
So please get people to watch our show, bringing Mrs. Troy, bringing back, you know, bringing Q. Okay.

1015
01:01:19.260 --> 01:01:21.840
Well, it could go either way, I think.

1016
01:01:21.900 --> 01:01:23.579
All right, let's do it.

1017
01:01:23.639 --> 01:01:24.719
Forsaken.

1018
01:01:24.780 --> 01:01:25.500
Yeah.

1019
01:01:25.559 --> 01:01:28.019
I haven't watched it for ages that one.

1020
01:01:28.079 --> 01:01:33.300
Is it named after the plot with the computer thing, the thing that lives in the computer?

1021
01:01:33.360 --> 01:01:35.699
She's not forsaken, is she?

1022
01:01:35.760 --> 01:01:38.039
I thought that the computer was like a baby.

1023
01:01:38.099 --> 01:01:42.599
Doesn't something that's like a baby computer program end up in the computer?

1024
01:01:42.659 --> 01:01:46.920
I just remember they purr in the most sexiest costumes in this one.

1025
01:01:46.980 --> 01:01:47.579
I do remember that.

1026
01:01:47.699 --> 01:01:48.300
She's got tits.

1027
01:01:48.360 --> 01:01:50.940
She brings her tits with her to this episode, I think.

1028
01:01:51.000 --> 01:01:53.579
Sort of lame cat suit, one more.

1029
01:01:55.980 --> 01:01:57.599
Oh, well.

1030
01:01:57.840 --> 01:02:05.099
Yeah, there's a good chance that will be, sort of, middle of the road, but we have got to do some of those. tend to go one way or the other.

1031
01:02:05.159 --> 01:02:06.300
Yeah that's true.

1032
01:02:06.360 --> 01:02:07.079
That is true.

1033
01:02:07.139 --> 01:02:08.519
Oh, that was fun.

1034
01:02:08.579 --> 01:02:10.199
Far out. good episode.

1035
01:02:10.260 --> 01:02:12.119
That's a great episode.

1036
01:02:12.179 --> 01:02:12.780
So good.