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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So, we're aboard the Starship Voyager this week for an episode

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from series six.

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It's series 6, episode five.

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Alice.

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First broadcast on the 20th of October, 1999.

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Teleplay by Brian Fuller and Michael Taylor.

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So Brian Fuller, who brought you Discovery and directed by the

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ever reliable, um, let me say, David Livingston.

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Michael Taylor that gave us counterpoint and in the Power

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Moonlight, which regardless of what you might think about that

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episode, it is considered an absolute banger.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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No, I think it's good.

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I don't think it's as good as everyone else does.

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But Brian Fuller brought us discovery.

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I mean, these are proper Star Trek people.

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It's based on an idea by a woman called Julianne Delane, and this

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is her only writing credit.

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Are you sure it wasn't based on an idea by Stephen King?

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It was also based on an idea by Stephen King.

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I'm at a big Stephen King fan, and so I don't really know about

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Christine beyond, you know, a vague idea of what it's about.

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It's kind of reputation, but clearly that's what we're going for

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here.

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How did you find this episode?

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It was fucking tedious is what it was.

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So incredibly boring.

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And I have to watch it twice because in my haste to watch it the

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1st time.

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I watched it last week and I thought, well, I better refresh

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myself.

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Maybe it's got better in a week.

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Oh boy.

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I sent you a message saying that, you know, I woke up, I had a

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good sleep.

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I had a bath, you know, I did some exercise, I meditated.

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So I was prepared for Alice this time.

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I was not prepared for Alice this time and it was still fucking

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tedious.

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Um, the one piece of trivia, I have to give you about this, is a

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random, and you know when it's a dog because a memory alpha gives

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you nothing.

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They will pull quotes out of any old person's or memory alpha, you

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know, any bit of data.

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There's one quote about Alice.

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So clearly everyone's forgotten about this one and that's Brandon

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Bragger going, yes, sir.

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I think this episode was based on the Stephen King novel

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Christine.

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Thanks, Brannon.

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That's it.

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That's it.

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I think it's an episode with absolutely no characteristics, no

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positive qualities.

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It is on autopilot.

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It is the 1st episode.

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If we decided that we didn't have an order of 26 episodes to

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fulfil this season.

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This would be the 1st one to go because it's got nothing

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interesting in its premise.

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It isn't about anything.

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It is just absolute routine voyager stuff done incredibly

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boringly.

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It has one reasonable guest role and one incredibly boring guest

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role, the titular Alice, the eponymous Alice. who I think is

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really not very good at all, but as sexy as a flopping wet trout.

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But the whole thing was so incredibly boring.

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Like, I don't know what I'm supposed to gain out of it.

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There's nothing enjoyable about it.

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And it also cements the worst Roberts role as kind of the worst

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leading man for a Voyager episode, but also as just a complete

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asshole.

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And it's a big problem with the episode because he behaves really

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poorly to Balana all the way through in a way that is consistent

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with his character.

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She actually sort of talks about how he's kind of like this all

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the time.

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Janeway says it.

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She goes, you've had issues with his hobbies in the past.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So this is kind of consistent with his normal behaviour.

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And then we wipe it all away at the end because he's a white guy

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and it's kind of like, oh, it's not my fault.

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I was just sleepwalker watching it.

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Well, get there.

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Shocking.

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We're just friends, Nathan.

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Just friends.

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Why does she put up with this cunt?

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I don't understand.

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No, that's exactly it.

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And so if the episode's about anything, It appears to be about

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what a truly awful person Tom Paris is.

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There just is no space in Star Trek anymore for a character like

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Tom Paris, is there?

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He is a specifically 90s character.

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This sort of arrogant, obnoxious jock that people seem to admire

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in the mid 90s.

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Like that now in, you know, masculinity has taken a turn for the

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positive, you know, and we're far more open about our feelings now

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you know, and we are just better men.

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I think in general, not everybody, but in general, where if you

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dumped on Paris now in the middle of a, I don't know, discovery

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episode or something like, he would just be an anathema, it would

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just be outrageous to have somebody behaving like that.

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In fact, it made me think a little bit about Erica from Strange

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New Worlds, who is also a pilot and someone who revels in being a

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pilot, but because she's on, on the Enterprise in Strange New

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Worlds.

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She's charming, she's funny, like genuinely funny.

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She says things that are actually funny, rather than just sort of

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bad lines that the scriptwriter thinks might be funny or resemble

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funny lines enough to kind of actually stand in for a funny line

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which we can't think of.

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All right, folks, we will quote those in this episode or as they

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go.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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But it got me to thinking about like Julian and Miles in DS9

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right?

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Of course presented as sort of, well, maybe not Julian.

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They're presented as heterosexual men in a bromance, right?

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Like Tom and Harry.

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Like they love hanging out together.

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They say they love each other.

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They're tactile with each other.

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They get drunk together.

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I don't know.

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There is just a different vibe.

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They're just not obnoxious pricks in the way that Tom Barris is.

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Yeah, yeah.

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It's really weird actually like having all this dialogue about Tom

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and Harry being best friends, but I couldn't say anything about

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their friendship at all.

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Like, I, you know, like we're constantly told it's a thing and

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they do banter, but I don't know what, what do they do?

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They go and play Captain Proton together.

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I guess that's kind of it.

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At one point, someone goes, isn't Tom your best friend?

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And Harry goes, oh, yeah, he says that.

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I'm not quite sure what it means, though.

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Like, no, we don't know what it means either.

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No.

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Yeah.

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So that relationship's not very interesting.

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And then the Balana Tom relationship, because when he's possessed

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he just says the things that he always says to her.

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Yeah, just screams to him and that's what I thought.

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Yeah, that's right.

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So I think that's really terrible.

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I think there is room, like that this episode had it been more

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carefully thought through could have been about Tom's behaviour

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like could have been a comment.

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Tom's behaviour.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And maybe he learned something about not being such a prick, but

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of course he doesn't do that because he's a white guy immune to

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criticism.

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And so in fact, B'Elana is kind of given the job of making sure

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he's okay at the end.

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She's the one who's been asphyxiated and yelled at, and she's

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given the job of making sure that Tom is okay emotionally at the

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end of the episode.

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And so that fails and craters in a spectacularly bad way.

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And then the other version of the episode that's good is where

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it's a mood piece where it's well directed and genuinely creepy

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where you have a guest star who kind of knows what they're doing.

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So this guest star is called Claire Rankin.

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She plays Alice.

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She is doing it in this sort of wide-eyed way.

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There's a little bit of steel there.

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She's kind of okay, but mostly she's just sort of doing staring.

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I just thought she looked vacant for a hour.

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Yeah, yeah.

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She's saying the lines, but she's saying them utterly without

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passion, and she's supposed to be this sort of, you know, she's

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supposed to be the sexy female version of a sports car.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.

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And the only thing that I could think of that was like this is an

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episode of Deep Space 9 that we've already done called The Muse

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where we had Meg Foster.

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Jake's face... creative juices out.

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And it was about Jake's obsession and the way that Jake's

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obsession was harming him in the way, you know, you know, the

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thing that he was super interested in, the thing that he did all

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the time, and she was draining his lifeblood because of the

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obsession and she was fostering the obsession so she could do

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that.

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That episode seemed like a right winner, didn't it?

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Well, I mean, I thought that that episode was much better than

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everyone else thinks it is.

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And I thought she was magnificent.

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She was great.

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She was ominous and scary.

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She was sexy.

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She was really forceful.

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You could see why she did whatever she said.

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She had those eyes. amazing eyes.

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So there's a version of this episode where it's well directed

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where it's atmospheric where David Bell is bothering to give a

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shit about the score because the score is so bad.

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It's so generic.

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It feels like it's been procedurally generated.

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There's no horror in there.

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No, exactly.

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No one gets killed.

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We have the perfect chance to kill John Flex character off. you

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know, so that it's like a horror film.

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He just grabs his head and falls sort of off.

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He just grabs his head and then wakes up in Sigmay.

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In Christine, in the in the book, that car goes round, man, that's

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blood flying.

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There's organs flying it.

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Mashes into people.

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It goes into crowds.

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What you need is this bloody shuttlecraft, and we will talk about

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the design of this Tinker toy shuttlecraft, the sexiest sports car

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in the galaxy.

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We need that.

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Smashing through the walls of the ship, you know, tearing up

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people. of it.

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It's just this boring woman walking around the corridors with Tom

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Paris going, Tom, I need you.

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Tom, Nick the reactor coils.

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Tom, let's pilot a course out of here.

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Oh my god.

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Yeah.

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It's I mean, it's really, really quite bad.

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I think.

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It's the dullest version of this story they possibly could have

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presented to us.

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Yeah, I know, I left me pining for Genesis, which at least, you

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know, abysmal episode.

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But fuck me, they went for it.

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You know, they went for the horror.

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You had people's chest burst open and people spitting acid in

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people's faces and things like that.

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You know, oh boy, even the technology is boring.

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You know, when he's in the ship and that thing comes over his

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eye.

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It's so boring.

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The graphics are boring.

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The nebula at the end was boring.

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I was like, will they show me any visual interest in this

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episode?

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No, no.

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And, you know, partly it's because Voyager can't go that far.

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I can't do horror.

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It's a sort of network TV show and stuff.

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And it can't do real proper body horror, all that.

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Much.

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You don't know.

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But it could go further than that.

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Oh, it looked terrible.

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But you remember when they did that ball thing with all the heads

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in that massive mashup of bodies and things.

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They are willing to do it.

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They chose not to do it here.

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They choke.

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I think they were relying on this whoever was cast. to bring this

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to life, you know?

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And if you had somebody like Jerry Ryan or somebody like that

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playing the role, you're like fucking gorgeous and you can

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absolutely see why Tom Paris would be seduced by her.

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But this was this woman's name?

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Claire Rankin.

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Claire Rankin, have you had a career after this?

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I should check out.

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I actually think she has.

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And she is in Stargate Atlantis, I think, is a regular.

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So he does have a career.

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Who the hell would she?

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I could have completely misremembered that.

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Maybe it was Sequest DSV.

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It was something to do with water, but she did have a regular roll

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in something, but she isn't doing the right thing here.

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And, you know, like it has to be down to David Livingston, I think

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because he's got to be saying, don't do it like that.

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You need to be doing it like this.

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And I will say this until I'm blue in the face.

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David Livingstone gave us stuff like crossover and deadlock.

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He can put dynamic Star Trek, like action-packed Star Trek on the

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screen.

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A really exciting episode.

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So I think at this point, he's probably done 100 episodes by this

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point.

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And he's just like, oh, it's point the camera, that boring actress

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and let's get out some lunch.

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The scene that irritated me most in this whole thing was the bit

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where Tom slams B'Elana against the wall and is screaming in her

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face.

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Because I'll tell you now, right?

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If you and me was in a relationship and you, oh, actually, you can

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slam me up against the wall.

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That could be fun.

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But you know what I mean.

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I'll be out.

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No matter what, whether you are taking over my technology or

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what?

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I'd be like, do you know what?

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You're capable.

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I'm done.

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And you're also an obnoxious prat most of the time anyway.

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It's not you.

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Of course not.

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No, no, no.

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We're talking to Tom, obviously.

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I do think, however, you give the Voyager writers too much credit

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you know, because I think that if there was a whiteboard of all of

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the season 6 episodes of Voyager, you know, up there, and they

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were told, look, guys, I'm so sorry, but we've got a coal, half

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the season.

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We're only putting out 13 episodes this year.

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I think they would, they would have gone.

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They would spend at least 10 minutes going, Alice, I don't know.

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Riddles, the one where Chivot loses his memory.

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What about the one on the little dwarf planet where the doctor

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said, I'm not sure.

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Some cartsy.

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I don't know.

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Which one should we lose?

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No, I don't have the faith, but they would go.

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I think they think this is a perfectly competent bit of Star

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Trek.

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Yeah.

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But I mean, in a sense, there's just nothing to it.

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And you know what I blame for this.

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You know what I blame for, this, for threshold, for any dog turd

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of a Tom Paris episode that we've sat through on titled Star Trek

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bro?

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I blame the 1st duty for this because that's such a good episode

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and he gives such a great performance in that episode.

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But they, I think because of the reaction to that episode and that

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character, which was very favourable, they thought, right, we're

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going to plant that character into Star Trek Voyager and it just

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isn't sustainable for a long period of time.

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It works as a single episode, sort of obnoxious twas, manipulating

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manipulating the people at the academy.

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But as a as a long-running character in this show, this this

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obnoxious twat.

341
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It's just tedious.

342
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I don't know why they can't see it.

343
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No, it's terrible.

344
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Wow.

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Actually, I know.

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This visually boring, unambitious, terribly active episode.

347
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All right.

348
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Well, we might run out of things to say.

349
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If we just find ourselves staring at one another.

350
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I'm reving up to go, you know.

351
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Okay, all right.

352
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In our last, okay.

353
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All right, in which case I will count it in, five, four, three, two

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one, and we're off.

355
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No, if that was the worst joke I've ever told, you shouldn't have

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even given me the half little giggle there.

357
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Okay.

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I'm going to tell you the answer to this.

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We start off on banter.

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And it's really boring, banter.

361
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It's not funny.

362
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Like, no one is funny.

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And in fact, the only person who comes off looking good is Tuvok

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who just says, actually, I'm not going to engage in this, but for

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those of you who haven't already looked it up on memory alpha, he

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is actually about 112.

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Why didn't they just look it up on memory Alpha themselves?

368
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I don't know. don't know.

369
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Of course it exists within the Star Show universe somewhere.

370
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It does.

371
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No, it's in it from an episode.

372
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Come on Although this does remind me of my work.

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I've got to be honest.

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I'm the Chevok in this situation, and you know, you have to hang

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out with these really boring idiots and listen to something, inane

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chit chat all day.

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So I could feel Chewfog's pain here. of them are listening, do you

378
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think?

379
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Oh, I hope they are.

380
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Finally.

381
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The shrimp is revealed.

382
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No.

383
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I mean, they've got the smarts to listen to a Star Trek podcast, if

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I'm honest.

385
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Oh my god, it's K-mole group.

386
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And that's the other thing.

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Can I just say Kate is so absent from this episode.

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She's in this scene, which is just a completely functional scene

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on the bridge.

390
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And then she comes in like 30 minutes or something.

391
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I don't give a shit about Tom Paris.

392
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Why would she be involved in this?

393
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No, no.

394
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All right.

395
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I reckon Kate read the script.

396
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And she went, do you know what?

397
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There's a few more scenes.

398
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Take them out, will you?

399
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right, that's right.

400
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Oh, this week off.

401
00:17:17.160 --> 00:17:18.180
Let Bobby do it.

402
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Oh, here's an appetal.

403
00:17:19.859 --> 00:17:21.779
Yeah, so this is Abaddon.

404
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He is played by John Fleck.

405
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John Fleck has been in every single 90s Star Trek show.

406
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Tell me.

407
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So he is...

408
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I love this corner of USTP.

409
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Who?

410
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Yeah, he's silly, the Sulliban semi-regular in enterprise.

411
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Oh, what, and all that yellow makeup?

412
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

413
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Okay, well, no wonder I didn't recognise him there.

414
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He plays tie back.

415
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Tybach in the mind's eye, one of the Romulans in the mind's eye.

416
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He did get to be in one good episode then.

417
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He plays someone called Ornitha or possibly an Ornitha in the

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search part one.

419
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He is the Romulan Koval in Interarmor NMC Lent Leges.

420
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Yes, he is.

421
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And that's a great turn. in that episode.

422
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Yeah.

423
00:18:11.880 --> 00:18:15.480
So, and he's also the Krilla ambassador in the Orville.

424
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And he's very camp in Alice.

425
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He's very camp.

426
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And I think he's gay.

427
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Like, I think the actor himself is queer.

428
00:18:21.960 --> 00:18:26.339
He's got a long sort of sheepskin jacket, isn't he?

429
00:18:26.400 --> 00:18:30.839
Yeah, but he looks like he looks like when you tread on a

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cockroach.

431
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Do you know what I mean?

432
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Like...

433
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Like, that's all...

434
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I don't see many cockroaches, you know, and given the cleanliness

435
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of my house.

436
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That is a surprise, but...

437
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We have giant ones in the garden in Australia that would take your

438
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leg off.

439
00:18:45.539 --> 00:18:46.440
They're fucking annoying.

440
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Do you step on them, Nathan?

441
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Sometimes.

442
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Do they look like John Flack?

443
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They pretty much do.

444
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These is a good, solid, like 9.7, 9.8 on the Beaumont scale.

445
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It's a very ugly, ugly makeup job.

446
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And but I've got to say I don't know why they do it.

447
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His character in the opening scenes was amiable enough.

448
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I was sort of like, okay, I'm not on board, but this is still very

449
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functional Voyager. because this is exactly how we met Neelix back

450
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in the day, which leads me onto the one thing I like about this

451
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episode.

452
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Oh, Neelix in here.

453
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Surprisingly, isn't Neelix?

454
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Because anything that leans into Neelix's old timer's a trade

455
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out.

456
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So here in a minute when he goes, oh, I want some of this, you

457
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know, whole plating that you've got and chew.

458
00:19:29.819 --> 00:19:32.640
Sorry, Chikoso is very boring going, We haven't got any of that to

459
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spare, I'm afraid.

460
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And Nelix is like, commander, don't we have, and he's sort of

461
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doing his bartering and his trading and that's the Neelix I love.

462
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So this was fun.

463
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This was quite fun.

464
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And the 2 of them kind of hit it off, I think.

465
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Like, I think John Fleck is a very charismatic actor.

466
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I think he's very good generally.

467
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And this is a very boring part, but he is probably the best thing

468
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about it.

469
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I think.

470
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It's nice when he comes in now and goes, oh, I recognised

471
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immediately the demeanour, the sharp clothes.

472
00:20:00.960 --> 00:20:02.220
Yeah, yeah, the 3rd divine.

473
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I just measure walking around the transporter by ready to rip it

474
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up and say, I'll have this and that and the other.

475
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And I like the fact as well that his technology junkyard, you know

476
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is just mostly a load of crap, isn't it?

477
00:20:18.000 --> 00:20:19.380
Seven says it at one point.

478
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She goes, yeah, most of it's utterly useless.

479
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Yeah, yeah.

480
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And isn't there a junkyard?

481
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There is a junkyard, I think, in late TNG?

482
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I can't remember, but they come across a junkyard very similar to

483
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this in a late TNG episode.

484
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I can't remember now.

485
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I mean, it is a very, very nothing premise.

486
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This is the bit now where Tom Paris 1st spots Alice.

487
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He goes, 0 my god.

488
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Look at that, grade 47 or whatever it is, and it is the most

489
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cheapest looking spaceship you have ever seen in your life.

490
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Tom even says, no, sorry.

491
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Harry says it's a bit of junk.

492
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Yeah, yeah.

493
00:21:00.240 --> 00:21:01.500
And you're exactly right.

494
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They can design it to look however it wants, but they make it look

495
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like just the most generic small spaceship that they can find.

496
00:21:09.240 --> 00:21:15.180
It's probably redressed from some other pod that they've used in a

497
00:21:15.180 --> 00:21:15.839
previous episode.

498
00:21:15.900 --> 00:21:20.759
It has all of these design elements that look like, you know, Deep

499
00:21:20.759 --> 00:21:22.440
Space 9 design elements.

500
00:21:22.500 --> 00:21:25.799
But we love the spaceship designs in 90s trade, right?

501
00:21:25.920 --> 00:21:27.420
On the whole, they're pretty great.

502
00:21:27.480 --> 00:21:30.660
But the shuttle pod, the shuttle pod is ugly.

503
00:21:30.720 --> 00:21:34.140
It's got these squat legs that look really ridiculous.

504
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And it looks nothing like a sexy sports car and that's what it's

505
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got to look like, I think.

506
00:21:39.119 --> 00:21:41.700
There's an attempt to make the interior.

507
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By using that teal colour and the upholstery and the way that the

508
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panels...

509
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I mean, I know what you're saying, but the design of it is still

510
00:21:49.619 --> 00:21:53.400
so ten-a-penny Voyager spaceship design.

511
00:21:53.460 --> 00:21:54.000
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

512
00:21:54.059 --> 00:21:57.059
But there is an attempt, I think, to make it look like a sort of

513
00:21:57.059 --> 00:22:01.079
50s. uh, you know, and it has flashing lights.

514
00:22:01.140 --> 00:22:03.059
There's a scene where we see the flashing lights on the thing

515
00:22:03.059 --> 00:22:03.779
which I kind of like.

516
00:22:03.839 --> 00:22:06.539
But these people are not incompetent designers, right?

517
00:22:06.599 --> 00:22:09.839
And they've seen sports cars. on every street in America.

518
00:22:09.900 --> 00:22:11.220
Like, fucking hell.

519
00:22:11.279 --> 00:22:12.720
Just design something sexy.

520
00:22:12.779 --> 00:22:16.440
I think that I think that probably it was just cost, you know

521
00:22:16.440 --> 00:22:17.339
we're doing one episode.

522
00:22:17.400 --> 00:22:19.200
We just pull out the...

523
00:22:19.259 --> 00:22:19.859
A few fins on it?

524
00:22:19.859 --> 00:22:20.819
Yeah, yeah.

525
00:22:20.819 --> 00:22:22.019
A flame on the side.

526
00:22:22.079 --> 00:22:23.759
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

527
00:22:23.819 --> 00:22:24.240
Yeah.

528
00:22:24.299 --> 00:22:27.420
Sorry, we can't afford stickers this week, you know.

529
00:22:27.480 --> 00:22:29.640
Why isn't it red as well?

530
00:22:29.700 --> 00:22:33.299
You know, like even as white, why is it green, isn't it?

531
00:22:33.359 --> 00:22:34.380
It's really great.

532
00:22:34.440 --> 00:22:34.619
Yeah.

533
00:22:34.619 --> 00:22:36.299
Yeah. terrible.

534
00:22:36.359 --> 00:22:40.799
Oh, no, at least Tom's throwing in his jukebox, so Belada hasn't

535
00:22:40.799 --> 00:22:41.640
got to put up with that anymore.

536
00:22:41.700 --> 00:22:44.400
He's got a new obsession every year.

537
00:22:44.460 --> 00:22:45.180
Have you noticed?

538
00:22:45.240 --> 00:22:47.279
You know, cartoons one year.

539
00:22:47.339 --> 00:22:50.940
It's Arachnia, Queen of the Spider people, one year.

540
00:22:51.000 --> 00:22:52.319
Trucks, trucks.

541
00:22:53.519 --> 00:22:55.799
But I mean, she calls him out for it.

542
00:22:55.859 --> 00:22:56.400
That's the thing.

543
00:22:56.460 --> 00:22:59.400
And there's actually the one bit of dialogue that I really liked

544
00:22:59.400 --> 00:23:05.160
was the 5 stages of acquisition, which are explained by Harry to

545
00:23:05.160 --> 00:23:08.400
Balana, and it's his best moment in the episode, and I thought it

546
00:23:08.400 --> 00:23:09.720
was a genuinely funny comment.

547
00:23:09.779 --> 00:23:13.440
It was what made me think that this could have been a commentary

548
00:23:13.440 --> 00:23:14.579
on Tom's behaviour.

549
00:23:14.640 --> 00:23:18.240
Like, you know, I really hate all of this sexualising technology

550
00:23:18.240 --> 00:23:19.019
though as well.

551
00:23:19.079 --> 00:23:23.039
It's so tedious Abidon, who, sorry, mate, you are gay.

552
00:23:23.099 --> 00:23:24.059
You're not convincing anybody.

553
00:23:24.119 --> 00:23:27.059
He's walking down there going, you know, you got to treat her like

554
00:23:27.059 --> 00:23:27.359
a lady.

555
00:23:27.420 --> 00:23:30.359
You know, you gotta feather the clutch before you go out and

556
00:23:30.359 --> 00:23:30.900
things like that.

557
00:23:30.960 --> 00:23:31.980
Oh, fuck off.

558
00:23:32.039 --> 00:23:34.200
Yeah, no, that's terrible. my God.

559
00:23:34.259 --> 00:23:37.200
And I know I know if there are any straight men listening.

560
00:23:37.259 --> 00:23:38.220
I wonder.

561
00:23:38.460 --> 00:23:41.339
We're the 2 gayest podcast out there.

562
00:23:41.400 --> 00:23:42.240
They have to.

563
00:23:42.240 --> 00:23:45.539
Sorry, Tom Salinski.

564
00:23:46.559 --> 00:23:51.000
I know you people do sexualise your cars or, you know, at least

565
00:23:51.000 --> 00:23:54.779
personify them and give them girls names and things like that.

566
00:23:54.839 --> 00:23:56.279
Stop doing it.

567
00:23:56.339 --> 00:23:57.599
It's tedious, all right?

568
00:23:57.660 --> 00:23:58.859
It's so boring.

569
00:23:58.920 --> 00:24:00.359
Yeah, I don't know.

570
00:24:00.420 --> 00:24:05.160
I have a, I have a, I had the sexy Italian Siri for a while, which

571
00:24:05.160 --> 00:24:06.119
I enjoy.

572
00:24:06.180 --> 00:24:07.440
A male Siri.

573
00:24:07.799 --> 00:24:09.059
Yeah, yeah, yeah, too, right.

574
00:24:10.019 --> 00:24:15.240
Yeah, like, I don't think, like, it's, there is something sort of

575
00:24:15.240 --> 00:24:18.180
creepy and tedious about, and you can't imagine it happening in a

576
00:24:18.180 --> 00:24:20.940
discovery episode, but it is a feature of Star Trek.

577
00:24:21.000 --> 00:24:22.440
When it comes to stuff.

578
00:24:22.500 --> 00:24:23.460
Oh, absolutely what?

579
00:24:23.519 --> 00:24:24.900
Like personifying the ships and that.

580
00:24:24.960 --> 00:24:26.640
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I get it.

581
00:24:26.700 --> 00:24:28.319
But this is supposed to be sexy.

582
00:24:28.380 --> 00:24:31.019
So this is sexualising it. that's just shitty.

583
00:24:31.079 --> 00:24:34.619
But also as well, when it comes to like Banana being jealous of a

584
00:24:34.619 --> 00:24:35.039
spaceship.

585
00:24:35.099 --> 00:24:36.720
I'm like what are we doing?

586
00:24:36.779 --> 00:24:38.400
Like this is ridiculous.

587
00:24:39.000 --> 00:24:44.819
Look at this technology with that thing over his head. so boring.

588
00:24:44.880 --> 00:24:50.880
And so, and I'm kind of there going, when does this become more

589
00:24:50.880 --> 00:24:51.779
invasive?

590
00:24:51.839 --> 00:24:55.740
Like, when is it visibly burrowing into him?

591
00:24:55.799 --> 00:25:00.299
Like if he's becoming one with the machine and that's scary and

592
00:25:00.299 --> 00:25:02.640
terrible, we should be able to see it.

593
00:25:02.700 --> 00:25:06.599
And we've done that stuff with the Borg, and their solution to it

594
00:25:06.599 --> 00:25:10.799
is so kind of vanilla and unthreatening.

595
00:25:10.859 --> 00:25:15.059
You know, some coloured wires attach themselves to his outfit and

596
00:25:15.059 --> 00:25:16.440
that's as scary as it gets.

597
00:25:16.500 --> 00:25:19.559
And that could, again, have been a source of horror.

598
00:25:19.619 --> 00:25:21.119
Like, this could have been about horror.

599
00:25:21.240 --> 00:25:24.119
I mean, it wouldn't have made this episode good, but you are right

600
00:25:24.119 --> 00:25:28.079
you know, Ed McFoster appeared in a spaceship and started stroking

601
00:25:28.079 --> 00:25:29.579
his head and making him have orgasms.

602
00:25:29.640 --> 00:25:31.859
At least I get it, you know, like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

603
00:25:31.920 --> 00:25:33.960
But look how ugly that fucking thing is.

604
00:25:34.019 --> 00:25:37.440
Like, I do like it in silhouette, there's an attempt to make it

605
00:25:37.440 --> 00:25:41.279
look, it looks scary. from behind and then it ends below. lights

606
00:25:41.279 --> 00:25:41.700
up.

607
00:25:41.759 --> 00:25:44.579
But it's got these big fucking legs.

608
00:25:44.640 --> 00:25:45.960
It looks so terrible.

609
00:25:46.200 --> 00:25:48.059
Look a fucking table.

610
00:25:48.119 --> 00:25:53.279
Nathan is that back there of the front of its buck teeth lighting

611
00:25:53.279 --> 00:25:53.460
up.

612
00:25:53.519 --> 00:25:55.559
That's the scariest bit in the episode.

613
00:25:55.619 --> 00:26:01.259
And it's just the reference to the paperback cover of Christine.

614
00:26:01.319 --> 00:26:02.039
Isn't that?

615
00:26:02.099 --> 00:26:05.039
Like, and the posters, they were always the grill of the car

616
00:26:05.039 --> 00:26:08.579
looking like it was sort of an insane mouth.

617
00:26:08.640 --> 00:26:13.019
You know, I knew we was in terrible trouble when she started going

618
00:26:13.019 --> 00:26:14.160
Tom.

619
00:26:14.460 --> 00:26:16.259
Can you hear me, Tom?

620
00:26:16.319 --> 00:26:18.059
Come to Alice.

621
00:26:18.119 --> 00:26:19.380
Has he got cold sauce?

622
00:26:19.440 --> 00:26:20.880
What's happening with his mouth?

623
00:26:20.940 --> 00:26:22.920
It's so gross.

624
00:26:22.980 --> 00:26:25.200
I just don't understand, banana.

625
00:26:25.259 --> 00:26:27.420
She's so pressy and she's so charismatic.

626
00:26:27.480 --> 00:26:29.880
Yeah, which is a good actor.

627
00:26:29.940 --> 00:26:31.500
Why is she good the worst drop?

628
00:26:31.559 --> 00:26:32.640
Oh my god.

629
00:26:32.700 --> 00:26:34.799
Oh, and that's the other thing as well.

630
00:26:34.859 --> 00:26:38.160
They've put her in that horrible gray jumpsuit.

631
00:26:38.220 --> 00:26:41.759
Yeah, yeah. does not accentuate her figure.

632
00:26:41.819 --> 00:26:43.140
And they know how to do this.

633
00:26:43.200 --> 00:26:45.599
Did you see 7 of 9 when she's being on this show?

634
00:26:45.660 --> 00:26:49.440
Like, why have you put her in like mechanics overalls?

635
00:26:49.500 --> 00:26:50.220
I don't understand.

636
00:26:50.279 --> 00:26:53.220
I did think that was quite a good shot of a bum.

637
00:26:53.279 --> 00:26:55.980
Now, I think this is absolutely inexplicable.

638
00:26:56.039 --> 00:26:58.140
So he goes, who are you?

639
00:26:58.259 --> 00:26:59.400
It's me, Alice.

640
00:26:59.460 --> 00:27:03.359
Alex But watch, he goes in.

641
00:27:03.420 --> 00:27:09.180
The door closes and we go to a break, and then we see him come

642
00:27:09.180 --> 00:27:10.619
into the room again.

643
00:27:10.859 --> 00:27:14.880
But this time it's sometimes later because he's used to Alice.

644
00:27:14.940 --> 00:27:18.119
And so we never see him meet Alice.

645
00:27:18.180 --> 00:27:21.359
Why don't we see him meet Alice for the 1st time and react?

646
00:27:21.480 --> 00:27:22.619
Have you seen the actress?

647
00:27:22.680 --> 00:27:24.000
It would have been so disappointed.

648
00:27:24.059 --> 00:27:26.640
It's time for a jaunty montage.

649
00:27:26.700 --> 00:27:30.839
Yeah, yeah, well, he fucking cleaned the car.

650
00:27:31.200 --> 00:27:32.940
What is that?

651
00:27:33.000 --> 00:27:38.220
That's so boring Oh, at least when they did this in Explorers.

652
00:27:38.279 --> 00:27:42.960
Cisco was building, building from scratch, that beautiful

653
00:27:42.960 --> 00:27:46.680
lightship, you know, with a fabulous design.

654
00:27:46.740 --> 00:27:49.619
Why don't want to see him rubbing Alice's pistons?

655
00:27:49.680 --> 00:27:52.019
Yeah, no, it's just so boring.

656
00:27:52.079 --> 00:27:55.740
It looks so terrible in that costume as well.

657
00:27:55.799 --> 00:27:56.819
I know.

658
00:27:56.880 --> 00:27:57.839
Look at his hips.

659
00:27:57.900 --> 00:27:58.740
He's so hippie.

660
00:27:58.799 --> 00:28:00.480
Like, he's like, he's...

661
00:28:00.480 --> 00:28:03.839
But he's... gangly and it hangs off him.

662
00:28:03.900 --> 00:28:07.500
It's such a baffling design. bum or something.

663
00:28:07.500 --> 00:28:08.880
Like, so it's...

664
00:28:08.880 --> 00:28:10.440
I did like Harry's costume here.

665
00:28:10.500 --> 00:28:12.599
I mean, I don't like his shirt tucked into his trousers.

666
00:28:12.660 --> 00:28:14.400
That's always... no, I do.

667
00:28:14.460 --> 00:28:16.859
I think that's really a hot look and I love the fact that he's got

668
00:28:16.859 --> 00:28:17.880
buttons and a collar.

669
00:28:17.940 --> 00:28:19.380
Like he, I think he looks right.

670
00:28:19.500 --> 00:28:21.900
No, you realise that stuff, don't you?

671
00:28:21.960 --> 00:28:24.299
I didn't think he was stocky, but he's a little stocky.

672
00:28:24.359 --> 00:28:25.259
He's adorable.

673
00:28:25.319 --> 00:28:27.900
But don't you think don't you think that he's dressed for playing

674
00:28:27.900 --> 00:28:28.920
Captain Proton?

675
00:28:28.980 --> 00:28:30.059
why he's wearing those clothes?

676
00:28:30.059 --> 00:28:31.859
because it's 1950s?

677
00:28:31.920 --> 00:28:33.900
He looks hot as anything in that outfit.

678
00:28:33.960 --> 00:28:36.960
Oh, you've forgotten 2 days in a row, but oh, day. is

679
00:28:36.960 --> 00:28:37.680
unacceptable.

680
00:28:38.039 --> 00:28:39.900
The web of pain.

681
00:28:39.960 --> 00:28:42.059
Yeah, I'll bet they were going to the web.

682
00:28:43.380 --> 00:28:46.019
That's what he tells me.

683
00:28:46.019 --> 00:28:47.880
We might play the web.

684
00:28:51.119 --> 00:28:53.220
It's a good chapter.

685
00:28:53.279 --> 00:28:55.200
Alice needs me.

686
00:28:55.259 --> 00:28:56.460
So does arangnia.

687
00:28:56.519 --> 00:28:57.059
Oh boy.

688
00:28:57.119 --> 00:28:58.980
Brian Fuller, man.

689
00:28:59.039 --> 00:29:01.319
You are much better at characterising those discovery people.

690
00:29:01.380 --> 00:29:02.940
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

691
00:29:03.000 --> 00:29:06.240
This is so like again, this is so incredibly dull.

692
00:29:06.299 --> 00:29:09.720
Maybe he learned all of the lessons of what not to do by writing

693
00:29:09.720 --> 00:29:10.799
these Voyager episodes.

694
00:29:10.859 --> 00:29:12.000
Yeah, maybe, you know.

695
00:29:12.059 --> 00:29:13.680
Actually, I quite like this scene.

696
00:29:13.980 --> 00:29:16.980
Yeah, it's really quick, but it's quite weird.

697
00:29:17.039 --> 00:29:22.019
But what I like is the way that 7 delivers the line, and it's not

698
00:29:22.019 --> 00:29:22.740
a funny line.

699
00:29:22.799 --> 00:29:26.579
It's not a funny line, but like Jerry delivers it with a real wry

700
00:29:26.579 --> 00:29:29.519
smile, which is kind of a little bit unusual for her performance

701
00:29:29.519 --> 00:29:33.240
and Neelix sees it and reacts to it, and it's actually really

702
00:29:33.240 --> 00:29:34.200
warm.

703
00:29:34.259 --> 00:29:35.099
Like, I really like it.

704
00:29:35.220 --> 00:29:38.400
So this thing is obviously important for the resolution, isn't

705
00:29:38.400 --> 00:29:38.579
it?

706
00:29:38.640 --> 00:29:39.720
The baryllion crystal.

707
00:29:39.779 --> 00:29:40.079
Yeah.

708
00:29:40.140 --> 00:29:44.099
I do like it as well because obviously he's got like a long

709
00:29:44.099 --> 00:29:46.920
history with knickknacks and things and trading.

710
00:29:46.980 --> 00:29:50.460
So he's gotten those, but obviously she's a Borg, so they've

711
00:29:50.460 --> 00:29:51.839
assimilated loads of species.

712
00:29:51.900 --> 00:29:54.000
So she's got that collective knowledge.

713
00:29:54.059 --> 00:29:56.220
Man, these 2 together they could be formidable.

714
00:29:56.339 --> 00:30:00.420
And then she goes, need I remind you, all trades are final.

715
00:30:00.420 --> 00:30:01.920
And she said it really archly.

716
00:30:01.920 --> 00:30:02.880
It's out of smiles.

717
00:30:02.940 --> 00:30:06.779
Unfortunately, he becomes the worst, Robert.

718
00:30:06.839 --> 00:30:09.720
I need some champagne to christen Alice.

719
00:30:09.779 --> 00:30:15.299
I have a girlfriend, you know, everyone here on and we sex each

720
00:30:15.299 --> 00:30:16.380
other sometimes.

721
00:30:16.440 --> 00:30:18.839
Like, I mean, for God's sakes.

722
00:30:18.900 --> 00:30:22.140
Why didn't he look, take one look in the mirror and say, can can I

723
00:30:22.140 --> 00:30:22.680
wear something else?

724
00:30:22.740 --> 00:30:23.579
I not wear that?

725
00:30:23.640 --> 00:30:24.240
Anything?

726
00:30:24.599 --> 00:30:26.880
Can I wear what Harry was wearing in the last thing jeans?

727
00:30:27.000 --> 00:30:28.319
trousers.

728
00:30:29.279 --> 00:30:31.259
Oh, this is quite funny.

729
00:30:31.380 --> 00:30:33.960
See, this is another good Neelix scene where he's talking about

730
00:30:33.960 --> 00:30:36.720
his ship and he goes, oh, what, you fell in love with her at 1st

731
00:30:36.720 --> 00:30:37.019
sight.

732
00:30:37.079 --> 00:30:39.420
No, it was the ugliest thing I've ever seen.

733
00:30:39.480 --> 00:30:40.380
This says Nelix.

734
00:30:40.440 --> 00:30:43.680
All I could think of was the ugly old tree from the word.

735
00:30:43.680 --> 00:30:49.799
So this is like one of these sort of terrible Star Trek backstory

736
00:30:49.799 --> 00:30:51.660
moments, but it's over quite quickly.

737
00:30:51.720 --> 00:30:57.299
There's another shitty one with Alison and Tom talking about the

738
00:30:57.299 --> 00:30:58.680
1st time he ever flew.

739
00:30:58.740 --> 00:31:02.579
And I just wanted to break his arm and say great story, you know

740
00:31:02.579 --> 00:31:03.779
like, like it was so bad.

741
00:31:03.839 --> 00:31:07.500
I'm so pleased that Balada is getting some use out of those

742
00:31:07.500 --> 00:31:10.079
crimpers that Janeway brought her at Christmas, you know.

743
00:31:10.140 --> 00:31:11.339
They're awful.

744
00:31:11.400 --> 00:31:12.420
Why are they doing that to me?

745
00:31:12.480 --> 00:31:12.960
I don't know.

746
00:31:13.019 --> 00:31:15.960
Because they have a little more like a wig now than ever before.

747
00:31:16.019 --> 00:31:19.380
Her hair never, ever looks good, does it on the show?

748
00:31:19.440 --> 00:31:21.420
It's shockingly bad always.

749
00:31:21.480 --> 00:31:23.640
I wonder how much colour is in this in...

750
00:31:23.640 --> 00:31:25.019
So we're in this cargo bay a lot.

751
00:31:25.079 --> 00:31:27.839
It's a boring gray and dark green ship.

752
00:31:27.900 --> 00:31:29.819
He's wearing grey overalls.

753
00:31:29.880 --> 00:31:31.019
The walls are gray.

754
00:31:31.079 --> 00:31:34.559
The bottle is black. like that's just, what the are we doing

755
00:31:34.559 --> 00:31:35.339
monochrome?

756
00:31:35.400 --> 00:31:37.200
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

757
00:31:37.259 --> 00:31:39.359
And like, why is the sports car green?

758
00:31:39.420 --> 00:31:41.940
I don't get it See, I kind of like this because this actually

759
00:31:41.940 --> 00:31:46.859
looks like it is going to be a little bit more normal, like, and

760
00:31:46.859 --> 00:31:47.640
she's really good.

761
00:31:47.700 --> 00:31:48.779
She's playing it properly.

762
00:31:48.839 --> 00:31:49.799
Do you know what I mean?

763
00:31:49.859 --> 00:31:50.700
Because she's so charming.

764
00:31:50.759 --> 00:31:53.940
Like, she felt champagne, though, on Alice, look.

765
00:31:54.000 --> 00:31:54.599
Yeah, I know.

766
00:31:54.660 --> 00:31:56.700
Mind the upholstery, says.

767
00:31:56.759 --> 00:32:01.319
But the one thing that I like is when it electrocutes her and he

768
00:32:01.319 --> 00:32:04.019
goes, oh, yeah, I should fix that, which I thought was actually

769
00:32:04.019 --> 00:32:08.099
pretty good because it kind of defangs the idea that it's, oh, yeah

770
00:32:08.099 --> 00:32:08.759
don't.

771
00:32:08.819 --> 00:32:10.920
This bit where he goes. we'll go on a trip together.

772
00:32:10.980 --> 00:32:12.299
It would be a tight squeeze.

773
00:32:12.359 --> 00:32:13.740
Oh, God.

774
00:32:13.799 --> 00:32:14.819
Yeah.

775
00:32:14.880 --> 00:32:18.240
It's like when Miles and Keiko, you know, get at it.

776
00:32:18.299 --> 00:32:19.559
I don't want to watch it.

777
00:32:19.619 --> 00:32:20.579
Yeah, I don't want to say that.

778
00:32:20.940 --> 00:32:24.480
In discovery, you know, in Kurtzman Trek, they learned to put, you

779
00:32:24.480 --> 00:32:27.839
know, just unbelievably sexual people on the screen.

780
00:32:27.900 --> 00:32:30.839
So you're just instantly hard no matter what.

781
00:32:30.839 --> 00:32:34.740
So you can all have sex with each other. more flaccid than I am

782
00:32:34.740 --> 00:32:36.599
watching this episode of that one is.

783
00:32:36.900 --> 00:32:38.880
But look at her.

784
00:32:38.940 --> 00:32:42.180
Gosh, she's she, I mean, she's so good.

785
00:32:42.240 --> 00:32:46.380
It's such a shame that they saddle her with this.

786
00:32:46.440 --> 00:32:50.579
Well, no, they gave her the news as a as a payment for the at the

787
00:32:50.579 --> 00:32:51.059
end of the year.

788
00:32:51.119 --> 00:32:51.779
Do you remember that episode?

789
00:32:51.839 --> 00:32:53.220
Yeah, yeah. beautiful.

790
00:32:53.279 --> 00:32:54.839
I think it was just called...

791
00:32:54.960 --> 00:32:58.200
She's just like, they've just sort of remembered...

792
00:32:58.259 --> 00:32:58.920
Yeah.

793
00:32:58.980 --> 00:32:59.759
I think she's wonderful.

794
00:32:59.819 --> 00:33:03.180
I think she's really, really good, and she, like, it just seems a

795
00:33:03.180 --> 00:33:06.359
shame that she's so often paired up with him, so she just gets to

796
00:33:06.359 --> 00:33:08.099
be Tom's girlfriend.

797
00:33:08.400 --> 00:33:13.079
And it's never, it's never like genuine development is always

798
00:33:13.079 --> 00:33:14.700
banter, isn't it?

799
00:33:14.759 --> 00:33:15.779
And bad banter.

800
00:33:15.839 --> 00:33:16.920
Yeah.

801
00:33:17.339 --> 00:33:20.339
Yeah, maybe we don't even see them get married, you know.

802
00:33:20.400 --> 00:33:23.759
You remember when we watched you're quarterly invited, you know, in

803
00:33:23.759 --> 00:33:26.400
every scene, it was just about what the 2 of them mean to each

804
00:33:26.400 --> 00:33:28.380
other, why they get on, why they don't get on.

805
00:33:28.440 --> 00:33:29.759
We were understanding their characters.

806
00:33:29.819 --> 00:33:31.440
Oh, learn nothing about these 2 in this.

807
00:33:31.500 --> 00:33:35.940
And like those characters are not super nuanced and super kind of

808
00:33:35.940 --> 00:33:36.960
subtly drawn.

809
00:33:37.019 --> 00:33:40.799
They're not super complex because it's like a sitcom or a soap

810
00:33:40.799 --> 00:33:41.160
opera.

811
00:33:41.220 --> 00:33:42.299
We know how they're going to behave.

812
00:33:42.359 --> 00:33:43.680
We know what they're like.

813
00:33:43.740 --> 00:33:47.880
But some thought is being given by the writers about how... who

814
00:33:47.880 --> 00:33:48.599
behave like that.

815
00:33:48.660 --> 00:33:50.579
Yes, how they work together.

816
00:33:50.640 --> 00:33:51.779
There's nothing here.

817
00:33:51.839 --> 00:33:53.819
What does Tom C and Bilana?

818
00:33:53.880 --> 00:33:55.440
What does Balana see in Tom?

819
00:33:55.500 --> 00:33:56.579
Who can say nothing?

820
00:33:56.640 --> 00:33:57.240
You know?

821
00:33:57.299 --> 00:33:59.160
Why are Tom and Harry friends?

822
00:33:59.220 --> 00:33:59.700
I don't know.

823
00:34:00.000 --> 00:34:03.359
Because they're stuck on the ship and there's no one else.

824
00:34:03.420 --> 00:34:05.400
That's kind of the answer, isn't it?

825
00:34:05.460 --> 00:34:08.760
That's where the only reason 7 of 9's friends with that wench

826
00:34:08.760 --> 00:34:09.960
Naomi Wildman.

827
00:34:11.880 --> 00:34:14.639
So you get to mention a little bit later.

828
00:34:14.699 --> 00:34:15.960
I've barely seen her, have we?

829
00:34:16.019 --> 00:34:16.980
All the voyages we've done.

830
00:34:17.039 --> 00:34:18.840
She's quite a few, you know.

831
00:34:18.900 --> 00:34:21.119
Plus, she's in the, what is it?

832
00:34:21.179 --> 00:34:26.099
Top 30. 30 under 30, Federation's 30 under 30.

833
00:34:26.340 --> 00:34:29.099
Even Naomi Wildman was I never forgot that.

834
00:34:29.159 --> 00:34:29.639
She's 10.

835
00:34:31.260 --> 00:34:33.300
She's still 10?

836
00:34:33.360 --> 00:34:34.559
Apparently.

837
00:34:34.619 --> 00:34:37.079
She's already 10 at this point.

838
00:34:37.199 --> 00:34:39.960
And this it just goes to show you now how they've just lost

839
00:34:39.960 --> 00:34:45.360
interest in this show because Chakotay now saying to him, oh

840
00:34:45.360 --> 00:34:47.940
you're looking too scruffy, you're not paying attention to your

841
00:34:47.940 --> 00:34:50.579
work, this is exactly what we were doing in season two.

842
00:34:50.699 --> 00:34:54.360
Do you remember when Tom was pretending to be a rebel so we could

843
00:34:54.360 --> 00:34:57.480
get off and get in with Cesca underhandedly.

844
00:34:57.539 --> 00:35:01.260
It's like, God, oh, my. you're not even recycling old TNG cliches

845
00:35:01.260 --> 00:35:01.619
anymore.

846
00:35:01.679 --> 00:35:03.719
You're recycling your own cliches.

847
00:35:03.780 --> 00:35:04.500
Yeah.

848
00:35:04.559 --> 00:35:08.400
I mean, the interesting thing about this scene, the one flicker of

849
00:35:08.400 --> 00:35:11.519
interest I had was, you know, at what point does he start

850
00:35:11.519 --> 00:35:12.360
rebelling?

851
00:35:12.420 --> 00:35:15.420
And like, even though that scene is super boring.

852
00:35:15.480 --> 00:35:19.739
That scene with the 2 Roberts was really, really dull.

853
00:35:19.800 --> 00:35:20.579
Oh, here's the woman.

854
00:35:20.639 --> 00:35:23.159
So, we see her for the 1st time and her face is in shadow, and I

855
00:35:23.159 --> 00:35:24.239
thought that was a really good choice.

856
00:35:24.300 --> 00:35:28.739
Yeah, but unfortunately, we can see it now, yeah.

857
00:35:28.860 --> 00:35:32.820
That's right But that seems really boring, but it is like it's

858
00:35:32.820 --> 00:35:35.099
Chakotay agrees with him.

859
00:35:35.159 --> 00:35:36.480
You know, Tom agrees.

860
00:35:36.539 --> 00:35:38.159
It's not going to go any further.

861
00:35:38.219 --> 00:35:40.559
Everything's going to be fine and he's going to chill out.

862
00:35:40.619 --> 00:35:41.940
And I thought that was something.

863
00:35:42.000 --> 00:35:45.960
You know when they bring together 2 actors, right, that have got

864
00:35:45.960 --> 00:35:47.159
to have chemistry.

865
00:35:47.219 --> 00:35:48.900
How do they test that?

866
00:35:48.960 --> 00:35:50.099
I don't know.

867
00:35:50.219 --> 00:35:53.340
Like, obviously, you can't have people, 2 people going into a room

868
00:35:53.340 --> 00:35:53.940
and snog.

869
00:35:54.000 --> 00:35:55.920
I mean, that would be a nice, easy way of doing it because then

870
00:35:55.920 --> 00:35:58.440
you could go, 0 my god, look how hot they are together, you know?

871
00:35:58.500 --> 00:36:01.980
But like, they must have realised when they brought these 2

872
00:36:01.980 --> 00:36:04.619
together that there's just nothing there.

873
00:36:04.679 --> 00:36:06.300
It just doesn't sizzle.

874
00:36:06.360 --> 00:36:09.960
But I don't know that chemistry, like the sizzling thing is just a

875
00:36:09.960 --> 00:36:11.760
function of those 2 people together.

876
00:36:11.820 --> 00:36:15.480
I think it is a function of both of the actors selling it.

877
00:36:15.539 --> 00:36:16.440
Do you know what I mean?

878
00:36:16.500 --> 00:36:19.860
Like, I don't think there's an inherent chemistry between Renee

879
00:36:19.860 --> 00:36:21.780
and na.

880
00:36:21.840 --> 00:36:22.500
Do you know what I mean?

881
00:36:22.559 --> 00:36:26.460
Because they're both such good actors, they absolutely properly

882
00:36:26.460 --> 00:36:26.880
sell it.

883
00:36:26.940 --> 00:36:28.320
She's so good.

884
00:36:28.320 --> 00:36:32.159
In his way, she convinced us that she wanted to snog a Burns

885
00:36:32.159 --> 00:36:32.699
victim.

886
00:36:32.760 --> 00:36:34.920
I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah.

887
00:36:35.159 --> 00:36:38.400
But this is so unsexy.

888
00:36:38.460 --> 00:36:44.519
She's so uninterested in him It's also mild, you know, like, and

889
00:36:44.519 --> 00:36:48.300
then this, again, the sort of, I'm sitting here thinking some

890
00:36:48.300 --> 00:36:52.079
modifications I made to your flight suit, and it's like, I put

891
00:36:52.079 --> 00:36:53.820
some diamonds on the phone.

892
00:36:54.659 --> 00:36:57.420
I don't even notice the difference.

893
00:36:57.480 --> 00:37:00.300
I was like... shocking.

894
00:37:00.360 --> 00:37:03.599
Like, isn't it in some way meant to be shocking?

895
00:37:03.659 --> 00:37:08.400
They're clearly the things that the wires go into later.

896
00:37:08.460 --> 00:37:10.559
And I'm sort of there going, oh, probably...

897
00:37:10.559 --> 00:37:12.539
Is it sort of an interface with her at all times?

898
00:37:12.719 --> 00:37:17.400
No, it's later on so that he can be properly wired into the ship

899
00:37:17.400 --> 00:37:18.840
and become part of the ship.

900
00:37:18.900 --> 00:37:22.440
These things restructuring his brain in a way that continues, like

901
00:37:22.440 --> 00:37:25.260
John Fleck still has a version of her in Spain.

902
00:37:25.320 --> 00:37:26.760
It's just her body language.

903
00:37:26.820 --> 00:37:30.480
I mean, she stands there so stiff with those crazy eyes.

904
00:37:30.539 --> 00:37:31.500
You know?

905
00:37:31.500 --> 00:37:32.219
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

906
00:37:32.280 --> 00:37:36.360
The crazy eyes, but there's no menace and there's no steel and

907
00:37:36.360 --> 00:37:39.719
it's not sexy and she needs to do all of those things.

908
00:37:40.139 --> 00:37:42.059
Oh, here she is.

909
00:37:42.119 --> 00:37:43.019
Look, right in his face.

910
00:37:43.079 --> 00:37:45.780
I mean, you know, I'm going to say something.

911
00:37:45.840 --> 00:37:47.340
I do like his scruff there, you know.

912
00:37:47.400 --> 00:37:49.619
Maybe you should keep the scruff.

913
00:37:49.679 --> 00:37:50.940
It looks odd.

914
00:37:51.000 --> 00:37:51.960
I think it looks odd.

915
00:37:52.019 --> 00:37:53.519
He should grow a beard, really.

916
00:37:53.579 --> 00:37:55.139
I just think that looks really odd.

917
00:37:55.199 --> 00:37:56.280
If he's not been shaving, then.

918
00:37:56.400 --> 00:37:58.619
Why is his neck clean shaven?

919
00:37:58.679 --> 00:38:00.239
So he's been shaving everything.

920
00:38:01.260 --> 00:38:03.840
Right now, as if she, like, wants to tear his clothes off, right?

921
00:38:03.900 --> 00:38:06.480
But she's looking at as immersive to say, oh, who are you?

922
00:38:06.539 --> 00:38:07.679
You know, like...

923
00:38:07.679 --> 00:38:12.360
Please go and stroke my what's in a car.

924
00:38:12.420 --> 00:38:13.500
What do you have in a car?

925
00:38:13.559 --> 00:38:14.519
I don't know.

926
00:38:14.519 --> 00:38:17.340
Can't stroke my steering wheel. you know, like big end.

927
00:38:19.019 --> 00:38:20.760
That sounds rude.

928
00:38:20.820 --> 00:38:21.300
I don't know.

929
00:38:21.300 --> 00:38:25.739
This velocity of...

930
00:38:25.739 --> 00:38:27.000
Who doesn't like...

931
00:38:27.000 --> 00:38:28.679
I sent you the lost city and freedom.

932
00:38:28.739 --> 00:38:33.360
Nathan, they'll never understand you and me in podcasting velocity

933
00:38:33.360 --> 00:38:34.619
freedom. you know.

934
00:38:34.679 --> 00:38:37.380
Why doesn't she?

935
00:38:37.440 --> 00:38:39.539
Why doesn't she say speed?

936
00:38:39.599 --> 00:38:41.579
People talk about loving speed.

937
00:38:41.639 --> 00:38:44.340
People who love cars, love speed.

938
00:38:44.400 --> 00:38:46.980
It's not a person on each tree.

939
00:38:47.039 --> 00:38:48.719
Velocity is not a person.

940
00:38:48.780 --> 00:38:51.960
She's saying it as if like, this is, we are people of speed.

941
00:38:52.019 --> 00:38:52.559
What?

942
00:38:52.559 --> 00:38:53.880
We are people have veil lot.

943
00:38:54.000 --> 00:38:55.139
No, no, it's what she loves.

944
00:38:55.199 --> 00:38:58.920
Oh, so this, this fucking scene, where it's too boring people.

945
00:38:58.980 --> 00:39:02.039
It's the most Star Trek scene imaginable where he's telling the

946
00:39:02.039 --> 00:39:04.079
story. the 1st time that he flew.

947
00:39:04.139 --> 00:39:07.980
And like it's so boring and so generic.

948
00:39:08.039 --> 00:39:09.420
And what do we learn from it?

949
00:39:09.480 --> 00:39:11.159
We learn that he likes flying.

950
00:39:11.219 --> 00:39:15.539
We knew that, you know, like it's so boring.

951
00:39:15.599 --> 00:39:18.360
This moment of clarity when suddenly everything made sense.

952
00:39:18.420 --> 00:39:19.980
And like it could write itself.

953
00:39:20.039 --> 00:39:22.980
It's just absolute...

954
00:39:23.099 --> 00:39:26.039
And it would make sense if this scene was in caretaker.

955
00:39:26.099 --> 00:39:29.579
So we understood who this person was as a character, but you're

956
00:39:29.579 --> 00:39:29.760
right.

957
00:39:29.820 --> 00:39:31.559
We've been with this fella for 6 years.

958
00:39:31.679 --> 00:39:33.539
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

959
00:39:33.780 --> 00:39:38.519
Oh, you just don't want those clumsy controls getting in the way.

960
00:39:39.360 --> 00:39:41.099
Oh, yeah.

961
00:39:41.159 --> 00:39:43.559
Just you and the stars.

962
00:39:44.159 --> 00:39:45.659
Alice.

963
00:39:45.719 --> 00:39:46.500
Oh boy.

964
00:39:46.559 --> 00:39:47.219
Yeah, boy.

965
00:39:47.280 --> 00:39:48.360
No, it's terrible.

966
00:39:48.420 --> 00:39:51.000
I was sort of on a little run of podcasts, right?

967
00:39:51.059 --> 00:39:53.699
I was watching Doctor and Star Trek now, and I was seeing lots of

968
00:39:53.699 --> 00:39:54.300
sexy women.

969
00:39:54.360 --> 00:39:57.480
I was starting to wonder about myself, but Alice, you snapped me

970
00:39:57.480 --> 00:39:59.400
right back into homosexuality.

971
00:39:59.460 --> 00:40:00.119
Thank you very much.

972
00:40:00.179 --> 00:40:01.920
Mind you, he's Jerry.

973
00:40:01.980 --> 00:40:03.119
Oh yeah, boy.

974
00:40:03.719 --> 00:40:08.519
You know, not taking head of his shit instantly seeing through

975
00:40:08.519 --> 00:40:09.179
what he's doing.

976
00:40:09.300 --> 00:40:12.539
And I just love the moment where he leaves and then she just goes

977
00:40:12.539 --> 00:40:16.139
up to the console and goes, all right, look up all that dumb shit

978
00:40:16.139 --> 00:40:19.380
that Tom was just doing.

979
00:40:19.440 --> 00:40:20.159
Do you know what I mean?

980
00:40:20.219 --> 00:40:22.619
Like, he didn't even, and then later on she says, oh, I looked it

981
00:40:22.619 --> 00:40:23.820
up later and I think it's this.

982
00:40:23.880 --> 00:40:26.039
It's kind of like, yeah, it was very clear that that's what you

983
00:40:26.039 --> 00:40:26.340
were doing.

984
00:40:26.460 --> 00:40:28.980
She said, you have modified your garment.

985
00:40:29.039 --> 00:40:31.380
I would have gone up to him and went, oh, you put 3 little

986
00:40:31.380 --> 00:40:32.639
diamonds on your garment.

987
00:40:32.699 --> 00:40:33.599
Oh, I was there.

988
00:40:33.840 --> 00:40:36.000
Do you know what names like this?

989
00:40:36.059 --> 00:40:36.719
There's nothing.

990
00:40:36.719 --> 00:40:38.460
Why is that not scary?

991
00:40:38.519 --> 00:40:39.539
Like, why is that...

992
00:40:39.539 --> 00:40:41.579
It should be a great review as well?

993
00:40:41.639 --> 00:40:43.440
Because there was a shot from behind where Alice isn't there.

994
00:40:43.500 --> 00:40:46.920
Then the camera swings around and then suddenly she's there next

995
00:40:46.920 --> 00:40:48.960
to him, giving her weird fish eyes.

996
00:40:49.260 --> 00:40:52.559
Yeah, with no facial expression there, actually.

997
00:40:52.619 --> 00:40:53.760
None at all.

998
00:40:53.820 --> 00:40:55.260
You know what she reminds me of?

999
00:40:55.320 --> 00:40:57.719
You know, when you have those sort of china dolls with a crazy

1000
00:40:57.719 --> 00:40:58.920
sorcerer eyes, you know?

1001
00:40:58.980 --> 00:41:00.539
That's what she reminds me of.

1002
00:41:00.599 --> 00:41:03.239
There's just no emotion in her.

1003
00:41:03.300 --> 00:41:05.460
I mean, I suppose she is a car.

1004
00:41:05.519 --> 00:41:08.880
Yeah, I know, but like it's got to be sexier than that.

1005
00:41:08.940 --> 00:41:10.980
The car is trying to seduce him.

1006
00:41:11.219 --> 00:41:13.139
Oh boy.

1007
00:41:13.199 --> 00:41:13.980
Bad night.

1008
00:41:14.039 --> 00:41:15.179
Bad night sleep?

1009
00:41:15.239 --> 00:41:17.460
Bad night with Tom Paris.

1010
00:41:17.519 --> 00:41:20.699
Any night. supposed to be his best friend.

1011
00:41:20.760 --> 00:41:21.780
Oh, my God.

1012
00:41:21.840 --> 00:41:23.579
Did an AI generator.

1013
00:41:23.639 --> 00:41:25.559
Chew out and spit this dialogue out.

1014
00:41:25.619 --> 00:41:27.599
But I like this.

1015
00:41:27.659 --> 00:41:31.440
Infatuation, justification, appropriation, obsession and resale

1016
00:41:31.440 --> 00:41:36.300
are the 5 Ferengi stages of, you know, stages of acquisition.

1017
00:41:36.360 --> 00:41:38.280
And then obsession.

1018
00:41:38.340 --> 00:41:39.599
So you've only got one more stage.

1019
00:41:39.659 --> 00:41:40.380
Then he's yours again.

1020
00:41:40.440 --> 00:41:42.179
And he says it in quite a relaxed way.

1021
00:41:42.239 --> 00:41:43.619
It's very Star Treky.

1022
00:41:43.679 --> 00:41:47.099
But did you see that by that .003 feel?

1023
00:41:47.159 --> 00:41:49.739
Yeah, check the bubble. some dialogue I can get behind.

1024
00:41:49.800 --> 00:41:53.039
So 00.3 parameter check.

1025
00:41:53.099 --> 00:41:53.940
Oh, thank God.

1026
00:41:54.000 --> 00:41:55.980
Routine power sales.

1027
00:41:56.099 --> 00:41:56.460
Lovely.

1028
00:41:56.579 --> 00:42:00.179
But I thought that Ferengi stages of acquisition was actually

1029
00:42:00.179 --> 00:42:00.840
pretty funny.

1030
00:42:00.840 --> 00:42:06.300
And, you know, it does sort of gesture towards what this could

1031
00:42:06.300 --> 00:42:06.960
have been about.

1032
00:42:07.019 --> 00:42:10.380
I've always said you're easily pleased, but I've never felt in

1033
00:42:10.380 --> 00:42:10.800
more.

1034
00:42:10.860 --> 00:42:13.079
I'm not really easily pleased, but I did think that that was kind

1035
00:42:13.079 --> 00:42:13.440
of nice.

1036
00:42:13.500 --> 00:42:15.420
You know, it was an attempt to do something different.

1037
00:42:15.480 --> 00:42:18.599
Oh my god, this is boring shit.

1038
00:42:18.719 --> 00:42:21.000
Is this the bit where Alice tries to kill her?

1039
00:42:21.059 --> 00:42:23.280
direction is so flat.

1040
00:42:23.340 --> 00:42:24.539
Yeah.

1041
00:42:24.599 --> 00:42:27.659
It should be like the door slamming down, you know.

1042
00:42:27.719 --> 00:42:29.219
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right.

1043
00:42:29.280 --> 00:42:29.639
That's right.

1044
00:42:29.699 --> 00:42:34.500
Smudge everywhere and shadows and maybe Alice comes out and starts

1045
00:42:34.500 --> 00:42:35.639
strangling her or something.

1046
00:42:35.699 --> 00:42:36.119
No.

1047
00:42:36.179 --> 00:42:39.840
She literally just starts going...

1048
00:42:39.900 --> 00:42:40.619
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1049
00:42:40.679 --> 00:42:42.420
Why isn't there smoke?

1050
00:42:42.480 --> 00:42:42.780
Exactly.

1051
00:42:42.840 --> 00:42:45.900
The door gently shuts behind.

1052
00:42:47.460 --> 00:42:50.519
She could have got out if she was quick enough.

1053
00:42:50.579 --> 00:42:51.539
Fuck's sake.

1054
00:42:53.340 --> 00:42:57.239
I think the woman playing Alice is more convincing, you know, when

1055
00:42:57.239 --> 00:42:58.139
she's playing the computer.

1056
00:42:58.260 --> 00:42:59.639
Yeah.

1057
00:42:59.699 --> 00:43:02.400
Yeah, she doesn't have to give any emotion there.

1058
00:43:02.460 --> 00:43:03.599
Yeah, no.

1059
00:43:04.500 --> 00:43:07.079
You wait till you go to bed tonight.

1060
00:43:07.139 --> 00:43:12.119
All you'll see is the eyes coming out of the dark. need you

1061
00:43:12.119 --> 00:43:12.599
Nathan.

1062
00:43:12.659 --> 00:43:15.599
But was that her trying to be scary.

1063
00:43:15.780 --> 00:43:16.739
Oh god.

1064
00:43:17.940 --> 00:43:22.320
She's, she's slamming her pip, her hands against the glass.

1065
00:43:22.380 --> 00:43:25.440
It's David Livingston saying, I'm out.

1066
00:43:25.500 --> 00:43:27.780
Can you just sell this for me, Roxanne?

1067
00:43:27.840 --> 00:43:28.559
You do this.

1068
00:43:28.619 --> 00:43:29.460
Can you do this?

1069
00:43:29.519 --> 00:43:31.619
You know where puts me?

1070
00:43:31.860 --> 00:43:32.519
It reminds.

1071
00:43:32.579 --> 00:43:33.179
Oh, no, wait.

1072
00:43:33.239 --> 00:43:34.380
I'll hold that for.

1073
00:43:34.380 --> 00:43:35.760
This is that scene now.

1074
00:43:35.820 --> 00:43:37.079
Your ship tried to kill me.

1075
00:43:37.199 --> 00:43:38.280
That's ridiculous.

1076
00:43:39.480 --> 00:43:46.019
They both just start hysterically screaming. forget how to act

1077
00:43:46.019 --> 00:43:46.679
now.

1078
00:43:46.739 --> 00:43:47.940
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1079
00:43:48.000 --> 00:43:49.440
No, but I mean, she's always good.

1080
00:43:49.559 --> 00:43:50.699
When is she ever not good?

1081
00:43:50.760 --> 00:43:51.119
You know?

1082
00:43:51.179 --> 00:43:53.400
And even for how that pilot?

1083
00:43:53.460 --> 00:43:54.539
good here with him.

1084
00:43:54.599 --> 00:43:55.559
No.

1085
00:43:55.619 --> 00:43:59.219
No, but I mean, she's selling it better than anything else.

1086
00:43:59.280 --> 00:44:01.980
I really like that you've been stealing components, Tom.

1087
00:44:02.039 --> 00:44:03.719
Like, I really like that accusation.

1088
00:44:03.780 --> 00:44:05.880
Watch how he slams against the wall.

1089
00:44:05.940 --> 00:44:07.920
You know, like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1090
00:44:07.980 --> 00:44:08.639
It's really bad.

1091
00:44:08.699 --> 00:44:10.380
Yeah, vicious with us.

1092
00:44:10.440 --> 00:44:11.039
Stay out.

1093
00:44:11.039 --> 00:44:13.679
Grabs are screams at us.

1094
00:44:13.739 --> 00:44:16.019
You know, um...

1095
00:44:16.079 --> 00:44:17.760
You're sick, Alice, on me again.

1096
00:44:17.820 --> 00:44:18.900
Yeah.

1097
00:44:18.960 --> 00:44:21.900
Oh, so she is physical.

1098
00:44:21.960 --> 00:44:23.099
He's got hold of her there.

1099
00:44:23.159 --> 00:44:25.619
No, no, that's just his point of view.

1100
00:44:25.679 --> 00:44:26.699
Oh, okay.

1101
00:44:26.760 --> 00:44:27.360
I do like this.

1102
00:44:27.360 --> 00:44:29.579
I wish she goes, She goes, keep your voice down because the lips

1103
00:44:29.579 --> 00:44:31.320
are your voice down is good, isn't it?

1104
00:44:31.380 --> 00:44:33.719
Yeah, yeah, come on, the hell are you talking to, Tom Paris?

1105
00:44:33.900 --> 00:44:37.019
I wonder whether you should have had a point of view shot from

1106
00:44:37.019 --> 00:44:39.900
what they see as they walk past, but we don't really.

1107
00:44:40.019 --> 00:44:41.940
I am going to say this again, though, because I do say this a lot

1108
00:44:41.940 --> 00:44:43.980
and I know you're going to say to me because it's a Star Trek

1109
00:44:43.980 --> 00:44:45.599
episode and things don't work that way.

1110
00:44:45.659 --> 00:44:48.539
But the 2nd you start acting out of character like this, why on

1111
00:44:48.539 --> 00:44:51.059
earth doesn't somebody just say, pull the plug on the whole thing

1112
00:44:51.059 --> 00:44:52.800
and just go, you know what?

1113
00:44:52.860 --> 00:44:54.480
Someone's acting out of character again.

1114
00:44:54.539 --> 00:44:56.880
Should we get them to sick bay and see if there's anything wrong?

1115
00:44:56.940 --> 00:44:58.800
Well, that's what they would do.

1116
00:44:58.860 --> 00:45:01.199
That's what they would do on lower decks, right?

1117
00:45:01.260 --> 00:45:04.019
Because they're aware of the cliches.

1118
00:45:04.079 --> 00:45:06.239
I actually quite like these two.

1119
00:45:06.300 --> 00:45:09.000
There is something good about every time he turns around. she's

1120
00:45:09.000 --> 00:45:09.179
there.

1121
00:45:09.719 --> 00:45:11.820
Yeah, but it's her there.

1122
00:45:11.880 --> 00:45:12.659
That's the problem.

1123
00:45:12.719 --> 00:45:13.800
Oh, yeah, yeah.

1124
00:45:13.860 --> 00:45:14.760
No, I know, I know.

1125
00:45:14.820 --> 00:45:16.019
What's her name again?

1126
00:45:16.139 --> 00:45:16.980
Gene Rankin.

1127
00:45:17.039 --> 00:45:17.880
No, what was that?

1128
00:45:17.940 --> 00:45:18.900
Claire Rankin.

1129
00:45:18.960 --> 00:45:20.639
Claire. shot of her.

1130
00:45:20.699 --> 00:45:22.079
I'm sorry, I fit.

1131
00:45:22.079 --> 00:45:24.780
There's one bit where she stares straight down the camera.

1132
00:45:24.840 --> 00:45:25.559
It's terrifying.

1133
00:45:25.619 --> 00:45:27.059
Yeah, yeah, yeah. really great.

1134
00:45:27.119 --> 00:45:28.199
That is quite a good shot.

1135
00:45:28.739 --> 00:45:33.900
Give us sort of mild disinterest, all right, but talk with some

1136
00:45:33.900 --> 00:45:34.320
panic.

1137
00:45:34.380 --> 00:45:36.539
No, more boggle eye than that, please.

1138
00:45:36.840 --> 00:45:38.880
Yeah, it's so good.

1139
00:45:38.880 --> 00:45:42.300
We're just wandering around the same boring voyager says.

1140
00:45:42.360 --> 00:45:43.619
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1141
00:45:43.679 --> 00:45:44.579
Fuck's sake.

1142
00:45:44.639 --> 00:45:46.019
Oh my god, Kate Mulgrew.

1143
00:45:46.079 --> 00:45:46.320
Thank you.

1144
00:45:46.619 --> 00:45:48.119
Finally.

1145
00:45:48.239 --> 00:45:49.920
Yeah, but like when?

1146
00:45:49.920 --> 00:45:51.900
At like 30 minutes in, you know?

1147
00:45:53.460 --> 00:45:56.400
She goes, that doesn't sound like Tom.

1148
00:45:56.460 --> 00:45:59.280
Jayway, that sounds exactly lights on. talking about?

1149
00:45:59.340 --> 00:46:03.420
The thing that you say about a man as well, like a woman comes to

1150
00:46:03.420 --> 00:46:07.320
you and says, I think my boyfriend just assaulted me and her

1151
00:46:07.320 --> 00:46:09.599
response is, oh, that doesn't sound like Tom.

1152
00:46:09.659 --> 00:46:11.219
You just think, what is that?

1153
00:46:11.280 --> 00:46:12.900
Who's behaving?

1154
00:46:12.960 --> 00:46:13.559
Do you know what I mean?

1155
00:46:13.619 --> 00:46:15.300
That's really bad, Cade.

1156
00:46:15.360 --> 00:46:16.440
Why you doing that?

1157
00:46:16.500 --> 00:46:19.260
It's not until he tries to take the ship in a second.

1158
00:46:20.039 --> 00:46:22.559
Then she goes, then there, maybe something's wrong.

1159
00:46:23.280 --> 00:46:26.219
Have you seen Star Trek before, Kate?

1160
00:46:26.280 --> 00:46:28.679
Don't you think that's really bad?

1161
00:46:28.739 --> 00:46:30.960
Like, that's a really particularly bad message.

1162
00:46:31.019 --> 00:46:35.760
And if this is inadvertently about just atrocious male behaviour

1163
00:46:35.760 --> 00:46:40.380
and it's excused, you know, here and then at the end.

1164
00:46:40.440 --> 00:46:43.440
Because if it is, the message they're putting out is appalling.

1165
00:46:43.500 --> 00:46:46.679
No, but it's accidentally about that, isn't it?

1166
00:46:46.739 --> 00:46:48.420
Like, it's accidentally about...

1167
00:46:48.420 --> 00:46:50.219
Well, that's...

1168
00:46:50.219 --> 00:46:51.300
I don't realise it.

1169
00:46:51.360 --> 00:46:52.679
Yeah, well I don't think they do.

1170
00:46:52.739 --> 00:46:54.960
They're complicit.

1171
00:46:55.019 --> 00:46:55.619
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1172
00:46:56.159 --> 00:46:57.239
Oh, dear.

1173
00:46:57.300 --> 00:47:00.059
Okay, what exciting things happening now that we finally left

1174
00:47:00.059 --> 00:47:03.300
Voyager. and these sort of, you know those sort of curly wirly

1175
00:47:03.300 --> 00:47:05.099
straws you used to get around the car?

1176
00:47:05.159 --> 00:47:06.900
That's what it looks like, isn't it?

1177
00:47:06.900 --> 00:47:07.500
threatening.

1178
00:47:07.559 --> 00:47:11.340
Like, if it's turning his body into part of a machine.

1179
00:47:11.400 --> 00:47:15.059
Like, I know that we've got the Borg, but what we've got these

1180
00:47:15.059 --> 00:47:19.199
sort of, it's like the colour coded XLR cables you have so that

1181
00:47:19.199 --> 00:47:22.019
you can tell who's plugged into what machine.

1182
00:47:22.619 --> 00:47:24.659
It's so bad.

1183
00:47:24.719 --> 00:47:25.920
It's really bad.

1184
00:47:25.980 --> 00:47:27.239
You know what?

1185
00:47:27.300 --> 00:47:29.519
She's just given him an optronic pulse.

1186
00:47:29.579 --> 00:47:33.599
I think that's the sort of spaceship equivalent of an orgasm.

1187
00:47:33.659 --> 00:47:35.039
You know, he's got edging.

1188
00:47:35.099 --> 00:47:37.440
He now can control the weapons with his mind.

1189
00:47:37.500 --> 00:47:39.119
Shacks would be his element.

1190
00:47:39.179 --> 00:47:41.039
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1191
00:47:41.219 --> 00:47:44.940
He would have detonated the warp core in no time at all.

1192
00:47:45.719 --> 00:47:49.860
But see, my God, look at her hair.

1193
00:47:49.920 --> 00:47:51.539
Yeah, yeah.

1194
00:47:51.599 --> 00:47:53.039
Look at her eyes.

1195
00:47:53.099 --> 00:47:55.199
I think she's just staring at him.

1196
00:47:55.260 --> 00:47:57.840
That's the performance That's the performance into the big eyes

1197
00:47:57.840 --> 00:47:58.440
performance.

1198
00:47:58.500 --> 00:48:02.519
How is this episode devolved into me just going?

1199
00:48:02.579 --> 00:48:03.239
Her eyes.

1200
00:48:03.300 --> 00:48:05.639
Because that's the only thing she's doing.

1201
00:48:05.699 --> 00:48:07.800
She's our best star.

1202
00:48:08.039 --> 00:48:11.219
This is something we'll take away from this, though, right?

1203
00:48:12.179 --> 00:48:15.659
There are some episodes we've done, I completely forgot.

1204
00:48:15.719 --> 00:48:16.559
I love that.

1205
00:48:16.619 --> 00:48:19.619
The effect of going through warp.

1206
00:48:19.679 --> 00:48:23.460
Just that shot of it going through warp as an attempt. do you know

1207
00:48:23.460 --> 00:48:23.880
what I mean?

1208
00:48:23.940 --> 00:48:26.940
The point of view shot of them going into the warp sort of thing.

1209
00:48:27.000 --> 00:48:30.599
So he is the speed, you know, he's but he is the spaceship.

1210
00:48:30.659 --> 00:48:31.559
I end up selling.

1211
00:48:31.619 --> 00:48:32.280
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1212
00:48:32.340 --> 00:48:34.619
In a way, it's kind of selling the idea that, oh, look.

1213
00:48:34.679 --> 00:48:38.099
And now here, do you know, I go down Moss shop a lot and I buy

1214
00:48:38.099 --> 00:48:41.099
these sort of long straws, coloured straws, sweets.

1215
00:48:41.159 --> 00:48:42.780
That's what it looks like he's covered in right now.

1216
00:48:42.840 --> 00:48:46.500
But look, but he's also covered in straps and he's covered in

1217
00:48:46.500 --> 00:48:47.699
little LEDs as well.

1218
00:48:47.760 --> 00:48:48.780
Do you know what I mean?

1219
00:48:48.840 --> 00:48:51.960
Like he's becoming more the machine and his arms are no longer

1220
00:48:51.960 --> 00:48:55.559
working, but none of that stuff is as horrible as it should be.

1221
00:48:55.619 --> 00:48:57.900
But his arms are not...

1222
00:48:57.960 --> 00:48:59.280
And yeah, it's a Borg.

1223
00:48:59.340 --> 00:49:00.119
That's part of the problem.

1224
00:49:00.179 --> 00:49:02.579
They've already kind of blown their loads with it.

1225
00:49:02.639 --> 00:49:04.320
It's hideous when it's the Borg. horrible.

1226
00:49:04.380 --> 00:49:04.860
That's right.

1227
00:49:04.920 --> 00:49:06.599
Why is it so shit?

1228
00:49:06.659 --> 00:49:07.920
Oh, here's Abadon.

1229
00:49:07.980 --> 00:49:08.400
Thank God.

1230
00:49:08.460 --> 00:49:10.500
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1231
00:49:10.559 --> 00:49:12.420
No refunds, Nathan.

1232
00:49:12.480 --> 00:49:13.559
No, refunds.

1233
00:49:13.619 --> 00:49:13.920
No.

1234
00:49:14.099 --> 00:49:15.719
That's right.

1235
00:49:15.780 --> 00:49:19.679
Oh, now, so he comes in, we find out now that actually he had a

1236
00:49:19.679 --> 00:49:21.239
similar relationship with Alice.

1237
00:49:21.300 --> 00:49:22.980
Tom Paris did.

1238
00:49:23.039 --> 00:49:26.099
And then it actualises as one of his race.

1239
00:49:26.159 --> 00:49:29.699
So we've got the female stepped on by, stepped on a cockroach

1240
00:49:29.699 --> 00:49:30.480
alien there.

1241
00:49:30.539 --> 00:49:31.199
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1242
00:49:31.199 --> 00:49:33.059
Also played by Claire Rankin.

1243
00:49:33.119 --> 00:49:35.460
It should be a makeup option, Nick.

1244
00:49:35.820 --> 00:49:40.800
Well, I was wondering how this plays if Alice is a man.

1245
00:49:40.860 --> 00:49:46.139
What if it had been, like, what, seducing Tom Barris?

1246
00:49:46.199 --> 00:49:48.300
Yeah. would have been great.

1247
00:49:48.360 --> 00:49:50.460
I would have been all over.

1248
00:49:50.940 --> 00:49:54.840
It would have just been a little bit more fucking interesting than

1249
00:49:54.840 --> 00:49:56.099
you know, like what we're getting here.

1250
00:49:56.159 --> 00:50:00.179
Or it actualises as somebody that you got a hotspot.

1251
00:50:00.239 --> 00:50:03.480
So it's Garrett Wang playing it. episode.

1252
00:50:04.559 --> 00:50:10.860
But with his sort of season one hair where it flops over his

1253
00:50:10.920 --> 00:50:11.400
exactly right.

1254
00:50:11.460 --> 00:50:12.300
Yeah it is.

1255
00:50:12.360 --> 00:50:15.960
All I can see now is a crushed cockroach when I look at that man.

1256
00:50:17.340 --> 00:50:19.920
I mean, is she supposed to be attractive?

1257
00:50:19.980 --> 00:50:21.659
That female version.

1258
00:50:21.719 --> 00:50:25.500
Well, I think she's attractive to other squashed cockroaches, I

1259
00:50:25.500 --> 00:50:26.340
think. don't you?

1260
00:50:26.400 --> 00:50:28.079
Like, I think that that's kind of the thing.

1261
00:50:28.139 --> 00:50:32.460
But, and she's is struggling, like, she's struggling to do

1262
00:50:32.460 --> 00:50:32.940
anything.

1263
00:50:33.059 --> 00:50:36.659
Like, she struggles to do anything without all that latex on, but

1264
00:50:36.659 --> 00:50:39.719
put half a pound of latex on her head and she's just not giving a

1265
00:50:39.719 --> 00:50:40.500
performance at all.

1266
00:50:40.559 --> 00:50:41.340
Look at that.

1267
00:50:41.400 --> 00:50:43.320
She has no facial expression of any kind.

1268
00:50:43.380 --> 00:50:45.960
She's not in any way threatening at all.

1269
00:50:46.019 --> 00:50:48.059
She just...

1270
00:50:48.119 --> 00:50:49.619
So bored.

1271
00:50:50.219 --> 00:50:52.320
And he's alcohol.

1272
00:50:52.380 --> 00:50:53.519
Just like Go for it.

1273
00:50:53.579 --> 00:50:55.739
Top quality stuff from John.

1274
00:50:55.800 --> 00:50:56.760
Yeah.

1275
00:50:56.820 --> 00:51:00.539
You know, Nathan, you know how I consider your supreme

1276
00:51:00.539 --> 00:51:02.519
intelligence, brain the size of a planet, yeah?

1277
00:51:02.579 --> 00:51:05.820
The fact that you come on this podcast and say things like, you

1278
00:51:05.820 --> 00:51:08.699
know, I'm sure she seems attractive to other people that look like

1279
00:51:08.699 --> 00:51:10.260
squash cockroaches.

1280
00:51:10.320 --> 00:51:13.860
I mean, it just makes me always an intelligent thing to say.

1281
00:51:13.920 --> 00:51:15.960
I thought that was a pretty fair observation.

1282
00:51:16.019 --> 00:51:17.280
What have I done to you?

1283
00:51:17.579 --> 00:51:20.400
Once you were a serious podcaster.

1284
00:51:22.019 --> 00:51:23.880
That's never true.

1285
00:51:25.800 --> 00:51:28.980
Oh my god, I'm dying of boredom.

1286
00:51:29.039 --> 00:51:29.699
How long have we got?

1287
00:51:29.760 --> 00:51:31.440
She can't fly herself.

1288
00:51:31.500 --> 00:51:33.840
She needs a pilot, a biological entity.

1289
00:51:33.900 --> 00:51:36.119
Working in tandem with her programming.

1290
00:51:36.239 --> 00:51:37.079
Oh really?

1291
00:51:37.139 --> 00:51:38.519
What are we learning about?

1292
00:51:38.579 --> 00:51:39.599
anybody in this?

1293
00:51:39.840 --> 00:51:41.579
What are we taking?

1294
00:51:41.639 --> 00:51:42.840
the moral of the story here?

1295
00:51:42.900 --> 00:51:47.219
The moral of the story is that sometimes your boyfriend will be

1296
00:51:47.219 --> 00:51:50.760
abusive, but it's okay for no one to believe you.

1297
00:51:50.820 --> 00:51:53.219
And then at the end of the episode.

1298
00:51:53.400 --> 00:51:57.059
You can just say, I think you are probably just hypnotised all

1299
00:51:57.059 --> 00:52:00.059
along and it's really nothing to do with what a massive fucking

1300
00:52:00.059 --> 00:52:01.500
asshole you are.

1301
00:52:01.559 --> 00:52:06.119
And then you can be married and have a kid.

1302
00:52:06.119 --> 00:52:08.699
But don't worry, you know, that other sexy spaceship that we've

1303
00:52:08.699 --> 00:52:10.500
got, we're just good friends.

1304
00:52:10.559 --> 00:52:12.420
Oh my god.

1305
00:52:12.480 --> 00:52:13.679
Oh my god.

1306
00:52:13.739 --> 00:52:16.079
Well, if that is the moral of the story.

1307
00:52:16.139 --> 00:52:19.440
This is the most abhorrent episode of Star Trek we have ever

1308
00:52:19.440 --> 00:52:19.800
watched.

1309
00:52:19.860 --> 00:52:21.780
But am I wrong?

1310
00:52:21.840 --> 00:52:23.579
It is kind of that, isn't it?

1311
00:52:23.639 --> 00:52:26.039
As you said. inadvertently yes.

1312
00:52:26.099 --> 00:52:27.239
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1313
00:52:27.300 --> 00:52:32.760
I think this is just supposed to be a fun camp horror story.

1314
00:52:32.820 --> 00:52:35.760
Yes, but it's not neglected to inject it.

1315
00:52:35.820 --> 00:52:36.360
Exactly.

1316
00:52:36.360 --> 00:52:37.440
And it's not horror.

1317
00:52:37.500 --> 00:52:38.639
Yes.

1318
00:52:38.639 --> 00:52:41.159
They may have missed the mark a little bit, yeah.

1319
00:52:41.219 --> 00:52:44.820
But there is spousal abuse, so that's on the plus side.

1320
00:52:46.019 --> 00:52:48.300
It's really terrible.

1321
00:52:48.360 --> 00:52:48.900
Oh my god.

1322
00:52:48.960 --> 00:52:50.639
I have no words.

1323
00:52:50.699 --> 00:52:54.059
Like he just looks stupider every time he cut back to it.

1324
00:52:54.119 --> 00:52:55.800
That nebula looks quite nice.

1325
00:52:55.860 --> 00:52:56.340
Look at that.

1326
00:52:56.400 --> 00:53:00.659
It's got some sort of stardust coming out of a particle fountain

1327
00:53:00.659 --> 00:53:04.619
and there are only 2 particle fountains in Star Trek.

1328
00:53:04.679 --> 00:53:07.860
There's this, which is some kind of anomaly.

1329
00:53:07.920 --> 00:53:11.400
And then there's the particle fountain in quality of life, which

1330
00:53:11.400 --> 00:53:13.559
was mining machinery, remember?

1331
00:53:13.619 --> 00:53:15.599
Remember the particle founder?

1332
00:53:15.659 --> 00:53:18.780
was that thing, the satellite that fired a beam onto the planet to

1333
00:53:18.780 --> 00:53:19.199
do mining?

1334
00:53:19.260 --> 00:53:22.380
Wow, I was too busy looking at those cute little exacomps.

1335
00:53:22.380 --> 00:53:23.699
So, to be fair.

1336
00:53:23.760 --> 00:53:25.980
The technobabble side of it was tedious.

1337
00:53:26.039 --> 00:53:31.139
This is a very boring point that I'm making about inconsistent use

1338
00:53:31.139 --> 00:53:33.179
of technobabble between episodes.

1339
00:53:33.599 --> 00:53:36.239
We that desperate now at this point.

1340
00:53:36.300 --> 00:53:40.079
Well, given how boring this episode is, I thought some boring

1341
00:53:40.079 --> 00:53:44.460
trivia would be pretty kind of amp, you know, like Tom Paris, I

1342
00:53:44.460 --> 00:53:47.280
think the neurogenic interface is impairing your judgement.

1343
00:53:47.340 --> 00:53:51.000
I think it may well be far out those stupid wires.

1344
00:53:51.059 --> 00:53:54.420
I mean, why is there any suspense here?

1345
00:53:54.480 --> 00:53:58.019
Just blow the shit out of the ship and Tom Paris and then we can

1346
00:53:58.019 --> 00:53:59.519
all go away and have a nice time.

1347
00:53:59.760 --> 00:54:01.679
B'lana can find it.

1348
00:54:01.679 --> 00:54:04.679
We're supposed to care about Tom, aren't we?

1349
00:54:05.099 --> 00:54:07.260
He's in jeopardy right now.

1350
00:54:07.320 --> 00:54:07.980
Got you.

1351
00:54:08.219 --> 00:54:09.659
Yes.

1352
00:54:09.719 --> 00:54:14.820
And so this kind of makes the right choice about how to resolve

1353
00:54:14.820 --> 00:54:16.860
the episode, though, doesn't it?

1354
00:54:16.920 --> 00:54:24.179
Like, the one thing it does is it sends B'Elana into whatever the

1355
00:54:24.179 --> 00:54:28.980
computer or something and makes her appear so that it's her and

1356
00:54:28.980 --> 00:54:32.340
Alice and she persuades him to leave.

1357
00:54:32.460 --> 00:54:34.500
Do you know what that means?

1358
00:54:34.559 --> 00:54:38.579
It means this episode becomes about 2 women fighting over Tom

1359
00:54:38.579 --> 00:54:39.119
Paris.

1360
00:54:39.179 --> 00:54:40.260
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1361
00:54:40.320 --> 00:54:40.619
Yeah.

1362
00:54:40.679 --> 00:54:41.699
Yeah, hideous.

1363
00:54:41.760 --> 00:54:47.400
And also, as I've said to you before, her job is to fix him, he's

1364
00:54:47.400 --> 00:54:51.780
been a cunt and her job is to protect him from the consequences of

1365
00:54:51.780 --> 00:54:52.860
his poor behaviour.

1366
00:54:52.920 --> 00:54:57.059
And yet, do you remember the episodes we've done where she's

1367
00:54:57.059 --> 00:54:58.619
having difficulties?

1368
00:54:58.679 --> 00:55:00.599
And he's still makes it amazing about him.

1369
00:55:00.659 --> 00:55:01.920
Exactly right.

1370
00:55:02.820 --> 00:55:05.099
Oh it's so selfish.

1371
00:55:05.159 --> 00:55:06.539
It's awful.

1372
00:55:06.599 --> 00:55:08.099
Oh, so bad.

1373
00:55:09.119 --> 00:55:13.619
I mean, look, if you're that bored, you know, I can always regale

1374
00:55:13.619 --> 00:55:17.340
you with stories from threshold of him eating pineapple pizza in

1375
00:55:17.340 --> 00:55:18.239
his bedroom, you know.

1376
00:55:19.260 --> 00:55:24.420
I have to say that I did like Ella saying no one's ever got me so

1377
00:55:24.420 --> 00:55:25.500
close before.

1378
00:55:25.559 --> 00:55:26.940
Oh.

1379
00:55:26.940 --> 00:55:30.539
Actually, I see nowadays, you know.

1380
00:55:30.599 --> 00:55:31.920
Yeah, no, everyone's doing it.

1381
00:55:34.380 --> 00:55:38.820
That's what this podcast is for me, it's just an hour long edge in

1382
00:55:38.820 --> 00:55:39.119
session.

1383
00:55:39.179 --> 00:55:40.260
Oh my god.

1384
00:55:42.300 --> 00:55:48.000
So, the other thing that I think is, he said, swiftly changing

1385
00:55:48.000 --> 00:55:48.780
this subject.

1386
00:55:48.840 --> 00:55:52.739
The other thing that I think is, oh, look at that shot of her face

1387
00:55:52.739 --> 00:55:54.000
on staring.

1388
00:55:57.539 --> 00:56:01.079
Does that sound like an illusion, Tom?

1389
00:56:01.199 --> 00:56:06.059
And then he goes, he goes, leave me alone, both of you.

1390
00:56:06.119 --> 00:56:08.519
Yeah, you stupid women.

1391
00:56:08.579 --> 00:56:10.199
And she can't shout.

1392
00:56:10.260 --> 00:56:11.699
For some reason, she can't shout.

1393
00:56:11.760 --> 00:56:13.380
So she just goes sort of, stop them.

1394
00:56:15.000 --> 00:56:18.059
It's time to come home, Tom.

1395
00:56:19.500 --> 00:56:23.579
But...

1396
00:56:23.579 --> 00:56:25.260
God.

1397
00:56:25.260 --> 00:56:29.099
All right.

1398
00:56:30.719 --> 00:56:34.619
Oh, what a prize full of what were you thinking?

1399
00:56:34.800 --> 00:56:40.739
I think it would be interesting and I don't know why, but I want

1400
00:56:40.739 --> 00:56:42.539
to like...

1401
00:56:42.539 --> 00:56:43.679
You think this would be interesting?

1402
00:56:43.739 --> 00:56:48.000
No, but like an, like some alien thing that wants to get into the

1403
00:56:48.000 --> 00:56:50.940
particle fountain, but they just blow Alice up because she's bad.

1404
00:56:51.000 --> 00:56:54.119
But we've done that, she's a bad lady. times.

1405
00:56:54.179 --> 00:56:56.699
For God's sakes, we did that in Star Trek.

1406
00:56:56.760 --> 00:57:01.079
In Lonely Among Us in series one, I would have been... was exactly

1407
00:57:01.079 --> 00:57:01.739
the same thing.

1408
00:57:01.800 --> 00:57:04.079
There's just no new ideas here.

1409
00:57:04.199 --> 00:57:07.739
The only new idea is the spaceship coming alive.

1410
00:57:07.980 --> 00:57:12.300
So have the fucking spaceship come alive and do things.

1411
00:57:12.360 --> 00:57:13.559
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1412
00:57:14.159 --> 00:57:16.019
Oh, no.

1413
00:57:16.019 --> 00:57:17.039
Here we go.

1414
00:57:17.099 --> 00:57:21.599
Do you think this, um, this uh, sort of goes back on what we said

1415
00:57:21.599 --> 00:57:25.079
about, uh, you know, one shot romances, one episode romances in

1416
00:57:25.079 --> 00:57:25.619
Star Trek.

1417
00:57:25.679 --> 00:57:28.260
We were so impressed with his way.

1418
00:57:28.380 --> 00:57:30.000
Yeah, yeah.

1419
00:57:30.059 --> 00:57:33.360
But, I mean, that plays out, you know, like the romances on Deep

1420
00:57:33.360 --> 00:57:36.300
Space 9 and there are a lot of them and they work really well.

1421
00:57:36.420 --> 00:57:41.880
This one is terrible and it's the only one on the show apart from

1422
00:57:41.880 --> 00:57:45.480
the ill-advised romance between the medium Robert and 7 towards

1423
00:57:45.480 --> 00:57:45.900
the end.

1424
00:57:45.960 --> 00:57:47.280
Oh Christ.

1425
00:57:47.340 --> 00:57:49.800
Yeah, before she realised she was a lesbian.

1426
00:57:50.519 --> 00:57:55.500
I have a weird ability of putting people together in relationships

1427
00:57:55.500 --> 00:57:57.360
with 0 fucking chemistry, don't they?

1428
00:57:57.420 --> 00:57:58.679
Do you know the gift?

1429
00:57:58.679 --> 00:57:59.519
romance.

1430
00:57:59.639 --> 00:58:02.280
You know what romance I'm going to say did work on this show?

1431
00:58:02.400 --> 00:58:03.900
Go on.

1432
00:58:03.900 --> 00:58:05.340
The one resolution.

1433
00:58:05.340 --> 00:58:07.679
Oh, Janeway, in Chicago.

1434
00:58:07.739 --> 00:58:09.179
It would have worked like Gangbusters.

1435
00:58:09.239 --> 00:58:09.960
Absolutely great.

1436
00:58:10.019 --> 00:58:12.179
Although there's enough one I would have liked to have seen

1437
00:58:12.179 --> 00:58:12.780
explored.

1438
00:58:12.840 --> 00:58:17.039
Do you remember that scene where 7 of 9 comes up to Harry Cumman

1439
00:58:17.039 --> 00:58:17.340
says?

1440
00:58:18.719 --> 00:58:21.179
You wish to have sex with me. remove your clothes immediately.

1441
00:58:21.239 --> 00:58:22.800
Yeah, that would have been a great relationship.

1442
00:58:22.860 --> 00:58:24.900
So this awful scene.

1443
00:58:24.960 --> 00:58:27.960
The crap joke at the end where he says of the Delta Flyer, we're

1444
00:58:27.960 --> 00:58:33.960
just friends, but if this was any good at all, it would be like

1445
00:58:33.960 --> 00:58:34.980
yeah, don't.

1446
00:58:35.099 --> 00:58:36.000
Did you see that kiss?

1447
00:58:36.119 --> 00:58:37.380
Oh no.

1448
00:58:37.980 --> 00:58:42.420
What if what if it was left with the idea that maybe the Delta Fly

1449
00:58:42.420 --> 00:58:43.500
is the next obsession?

1450
00:58:43.559 --> 00:58:46.920
You know, like the next thing that he's going to become obsessed

1451
00:58:46.920 --> 00:58:51.000
about and be a massive prick around is going to be the Delta

1452
00:58:51.000 --> 00:58:51.420
flyer.

1453
00:58:51.900 --> 00:58:56.099
Yeah, but we know, we know, because we've been here before, and we

1454
00:58:56.099 --> 00:58:56.880
will be here again.

1455
00:58:56.940 --> 00:58:59.760
Do you remember driving series 7, the wedding episode?

1456
00:58:59.820 --> 00:59:01.079
He's a prick again.

1457
00:59:01.139 --> 00:59:03.000
He's obsessed with the spaceship.

1458
00:59:03.059 --> 00:59:04.559
She just puts up with his shit.

1459
00:59:04.619 --> 00:59:07.139
Oh, boy, 0 boy.

1460
00:59:07.199 --> 00:59:09.900
I can't believe how unsexy that kiss was at the end.

1461
00:59:09.960 --> 00:59:11.280
Oh, you know?

1462
00:59:11.280 --> 00:59:13.260
Well, no, it was slogging latex.

1463
00:59:13.320 --> 00:59:14.280
It was sexier than that.

1464
00:59:14.340 --> 00:59:15.300
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1465
00:59:15.360 --> 00:59:17.039
No, that was really dreadful, wasn't it?

1466
00:59:17.099 --> 00:59:17.880
Ugh.

1467
00:59:19.199 --> 00:59:25.679
I think that 90s trek, right, can do can do horror really well in

1468
00:59:25.679 --> 00:59:26.699
terms of atmosphere.

1469
00:59:26.760 --> 00:59:28.440
Do you remember when we did Nport Nort?

1470
00:59:28.500 --> 00:59:31.559
It was kind of shitty, but it had buckets of atmosphere because

1471
00:59:31.559 --> 00:59:32.460
they turn the lights down.

1472
00:59:32.579 --> 00:59:35.699
It was campus Hill by the end, but Genesis.

1473
00:59:35.760 --> 00:59:37.980
Genesis as well is another good example.

1474
00:59:38.039 --> 00:59:41.099
The darkness and the light, the one where all of Kira's old

1475
00:59:41.099 --> 00:59:43.260
terrorists are being murdered.

1476
00:59:43.320 --> 00:59:45.300
That's a really good horror episode.

1477
00:59:45.360 --> 00:59:49.260
There's a reasonable horror episode in series 4 called revulsion

1478
00:59:49.260 --> 00:59:51.300
with an evil hologram.

1479
00:59:51.360 --> 00:59:54.960
And there's a scene where he tries to murdered B'lana, and that's

1480
00:59:54.960 --> 00:59:55.980
genuinely creepy.

1481
00:59:56.039 --> 00:59:57.840
So he can do it.

1482
00:59:57.900 --> 01:00:00.960
So I think if a horror episode fails.

1483
01:00:01.260 --> 01:00:03.659
They're just not trying.

1484
01:00:03.719 --> 01:00:07.139
But maybe some people are good at pulling it off and others

1485
01:00:07.139 --> 01:00:07.619
aren't.

1486
01:00:07.739 --> 01:00:10.199
And you said that Livingston can do action.

1487
01:00:10.320 --> 01:00:13.619
You said Livingston could do action, but maybe he can't do

1488
01:00:13.619 --> 01:00:14.639
atmosphere or something.

1489
01:00:14.880 --> 01:00:18.179
Yeah, I'll keep an eye out to see if he doesn't either.

1490
01:00:18.239 --> 01:00:20.699
Well, you, he did that enterprise episode with all the Vulcans

1491
01:00:20.699 --> 01:00:21.599
going bat shit.

1492
01:00:21.659 --> 01:00:24.119
Oh, yeah, that's kind of a lot of atmosphere.

1493
01:00:24.179 --> 01:00:24.840
Yeah.

1494
01:00:25.019 --> 01:00:26.699
Yeah, I don't know what's happening.

1495
01:00:26.760 --> 01:00:30.659
This is an unloved one that fell between a few stools, but no

1496
01:00:30.659 --> 01:00:34.500
one's thought properly about how to make it work. and so it

1497
01:00:34.500 --> 01:00:36.840
doesn't. just nothing.

1498
01:00:36.900 --> 01:00:40.079
I started, well, we chose Alice last week.

1499
01:00:40.139 --> 01:00:43.800
I started with like, 0 my God, Voyager Series 6.

1500
01:00:43.860 --> 01:00:44.639
It was on a roll.

1501
01:00:44.760 --> 01:00:47.760
I enjoyed the 1st episode.

1502
01:00:47.820 --> 01:00:52.440
Survival instinct was a good Ron Moore script for seven, but Arja

1503
01:00:52.440 --> 01:00:56.039
the Dead was a good character drama for B'lana, then Tinker Taylor

1504
01:00:56.039 --> 01:00:59.880
Tennis Spy is probably the best comedy they ever did with the

1505
01:00:59.880 --> 01:01:00.780
emergency.

1506
01:01:00.840 --> 01:01:01.920
What's what's he called?

1507
01:01:01.980 --> 01:01:04.320
You know, the emergency command hologram.

1508
01:01:04.380 --> 01:01:06.840
Then he gets the 4 pits on his thing.

1509
01:01:06.900 --> 01:01:09.719
You know, that's a really, really funny episode.

1510
01:01:09.719 --> 01:01:13.440
And I was like, my God, DSI is gone and they're really up in their

1511
01:01:13.440 --> 01:01:13.860
game.

1512
01:01:13.920 --> 01:01:19.440
And I can remember watching Alice and thump coming back to reality

1513
01:01:19.440 --> 01:01:23.400
and realising, and then it's followed up with riddles, which is

1514
01:01:23.400 --> 01:01:25.559
the Tuvok amnesia one.

1515
01:01:25.559 --> 01:01:28.139
And from there on, there are highs.

1516
01:01:28.199 --> 01:01:30.059
There's stuff like Parfinder.

1517
01:01:30.300 --> 01:01:32.099
There's stuff like Muse that we've done.

1518
01:01:33.059 --> 01:01:38.579
But on the whole, it's a series that is sort of leaking

1519
01:01:38.579 --> 01:01:39.599
creativity.

1520
01:01:39.719 --> 01:01:44.579
But worst of all, I think there's just a weird disinterest in how

1521
01:01:44.579 --> 01:01:46.980
it's executed, what they're presenting.

1522
01:01:47.039 --> 01:01:49.619
And that's probably the worst crime of all, right?

1523
01:01:49.679 --> 01:01:52.139
We can stomach back Star Trek.

1524
01:01:52.199 --> 01:01:57.900
But sort of mildly disinterested Star Trek is so boring, you know

1525
01:01:57.900 --> 01:02:00.000
and a lot of 6 and 7 is that.

1526
01:02:00.059 --> 01:02:02.639
It's really a shame because this was their time to shine.

1527
01:02:02.880 --> 01:02:04.320
Yeah.

1528
01:02:04.380 --> 01:02:08.039
Yeah, I mean, no one sets down to create a bad episode and so

1529
01:02:08.039 --> 01:02:11.699
sometimes it's hard to explain how it happens and we make up sort

1530
01:02:11.699 --> 01:02:14.940
of just those stories to kind of guess at what's going on.

1531
01:02:15.000 --> 01:02:20.519
But what we just saw on the screen was just a massive miss.

1532
01:02:20.579 --> 01:02:25.559
It was boring and flat and lacking in atmosphere and seemed to

1533
01:02:25.559 --> 01:02:29.159
have given no real thought to what the story meant or how it

1534
01:02:29.159 --> 01:02:34.139
should be made entertaining or scary or how we were meant to feel

1535
01:02:34.139 --> 01:02:35.820
or what we were meant to learn.

1536
01:02:35.940 --> 01:02:39.599
And there was just no basic interest shown in any of those things

1537
01:02:39.599 --> 01:02:43.260
and those should have been central to kind of what was going on.

1538
01:02:43.320 --> 01:02:50.159
I think Voyager has one sort of casualty that both TNG and

1539
01:02:50.159 --> 01:02:51.900
DSnoying don't have.

1540
01:02:51.960 --> 01:02:59.099
And that is, it has a mixed cast in terms of their ability to act

1541
01:02:59.099 --> 01:02:59.699
on the screen.

1542
01:02:59.760 --> 01:03:04.440
So if there's a bad TNG episode, or if there's a bad DS9 episode

1543
01:03:04.440 --> 01:03:08.519
you'll, in a, the TNG ones, you'll usually find moments of charm

1544
01:03:08.519 --> 01:03:13.500
amongst the cast, and in a DS91, even the worst ones we've done

1545
01:03:13.500 --> 01:03:15.719
dramatis personae, move along home.

1546
01:03:15.780 --> 01:03:18.659
There were things that we said, that was a good character moment.

1547
01:03:18.719 --> 01:03:20.039
They've put some thought into that.

1548
01:03:20.099 --> 01:03:22.860
There's just something there to make it worth watching.

1549
01:03:22.920 --> 01:03:28.079
Whereas if it is a Voyager episode with a duff premise and one of

1550
01:03:28.079 --> 01:03:29.639
the regulars that can't act.

1551
01:03:29.699 --> 01:03:31.559
There's just nothing.

1552
01:03:31.619 --> 01:03:34.679
There's nothing to hold onto to say that was worth watching.

1553
01:03:34.739 --> 01:03:36.539
And that's where you are with this one.

1554
01:03:36.599 --> 01:03:42.179
And so I think that's one of the reasons why Voyager is probably

1555
01:03:42.179 --> 01:03:47.760
the most inconsistent in terms of quality of the 90s trek shows.

1556
01:03:47.760 --> 01:03:50.099
And I'm factoring in enterprise there as well.

1557
01:03:50.159 --> 01:03:52.019
Yeah, I think that's fair.

1558
01:03:52.079 --> 01:03:57.539
But I do think that if you ever need any lessons at all, anyone

1559
01:03:57.539 --> 01:04:01.380
who's listening, who needs any lessons at all to be less sexy in

1560
01:04:01.380 --> 01:04:04.980
your life, if you're having a sort of a bad effect on people in

1561
01:04:04.980 --> 01:04:08.099
your life, please study Claire Rankins performance in Alice.

1562
01:04:08.159 --> 01:04:12.179
Yeah, because...

1563
01:04:20.579 --> 01:04:23.820
All right, it's the end of the episode and it is time for us to

1564
01:04:23.820 --> 01:04:25.260
work out where we're going next.

1565
01:04:25.320 --> 01:04:27.480
This one was yours, I'm afraid.

1566
01:04:27.539 --> 01:04:28.679
Is that right?

1567
01:04:28.739 --> 01:04:32.519
I did say I want to say not good and I think I succeeded.

1568
01:04:32.579 --> 01:04:33.179
That's true.

1569
01:04:33.239 --> 01:04:33.840
That is true.

1570
01:04:33.960 --> 01:04:35.039
You didn't succeed.

1571
01:04:35.099 --> 01:04:35.760
Mission accomplished.

1572
01:04:35.820 --> 01:04:37.559
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

1573
01:04:37.619 --> 01:04:38.340
All right.

1574
01:04:38.400 --> 01:04:43.500
Well, in that case, I am going to choose an episode of another 90s

1575
01:04:43.500 --> 01:04:44.639
Star Trek series.

1576
01:04:44.699 --> 01:04:45.780
Oh, how exciting.

1577
01:04:45.840 --> 01:04:47.280
Oh, God.

1578
01:04:47.340 --> 01:04:49.019
Oh, another part.

1579
01:04:49.079 --> 01:04:50.760
I forget.

1580
01:04:52.019 --> 01:04:54.119
So...

1581
01:04:54.360 --> 01:04:57.780
I was glad to ditch that cliche.

1582
01:04:58.019 --> 01:05:01.980
No, we are going to choose an episode of Star Trek the Next

1583
01:05:01.980 --> 01:05:02.340
Generation.

1584
01:05:02.400 --> 01:05:03.960
Oh, how exciting.

1585
01:05:04.019 --> 01:05:04.559
Okay.

1586
01:05:04.619 --> 01:05:06.000
Yeah, that'll be fun.

1587
01:05:06.059 --> 01:05:07.019
That will be fun.

1588
01:05:07.079 --> 01:05:08.639
At random.

1589
01:05:08.699 --> 01:05:09.539
Here we go.

1590
01:05:09.539 --> 01:05:11.639
Come on, series one, series one.

1591
01:05:11.699 --> 01:05:12.059
Come on.

1592
01:05:12.119 --> 01:05:13.860
This is really boring.

1593
01:05:13.920 --> 01:05:21.000
So this is season seven, episode 24, preemptive strike.

1594
01:05:21.059 --> 01:05:25.139
Oh, it's quite a good episode, actually.

1595
01:05:25.199 --> 01:05:26.880
We have done a lot of 7 though.

1596
01:05:26.940 --> 01:05:30.239
We have, I actually think it's a little bit boring and it's the

1597
01:05:30.239 --> 01:05:33.179
1st one, isn't it, that Patrick Stewart directs?

1598
01:05:33.239 --> 01:05:34.800
They give it...

1599
01:05:34.800 --> 01:05:36.059
No, he did that Western.

1600
01:05:36.119 --> 01:05:37.079
Fifth full of daters.

1601
01:05:37.139 --> 01:05:37.980
Oh did he?

1602
01:05:38.039 --> 01:05:40.079
That's really boring as well.

1603
01:05:40.139 --> 01:05:41.280
Yeah, that is.

1604
01:05:41.340 --> 01:05:42.539
No, I actually quite like that one.

1605
01:05:42.599 --> 01:05:44.340
Because Deanna's fabulous in that one.

1606
01:05:44.400 --> 01:05:46.619
The preemptive star...

1607
01:05:47.159 --> 01:05:48.360
Yeah, Councillor Durango.

1608
01:05:48.420 --> 01:05:51.599
I'll always say it Yeah, I think it's a bit boring and a bit

1609
01:05:51.599 --> 01:05:52.139
worthy.

1610
01:05:52.260 --> 01:05:53.820
See if you can find something a bit more exciting.

1611
01:05:53.880 --> 01:05:55.139
Weather good or bad.

1612
01:05:55.199 --> 01:05:55.980
All right.

1613
01:05:56.039 --> 01:05:58.739
Oh, you like this one and I think it's shit.

1614
01:05:58.800 --> 01:06:03.000
So season two, episode 13, Times Square.

1615
01:06:03.119 --> 01:06:05.460
Oh, the one with 2 Picard.

1616
01:06:05.519 --> 01:06:06.420
Yeah.

1617
01:06:06.480 --> 01:06:08.039
Maurice Hurley writes that one.

1618
01:06:08.099 --> 01:06:09.480
I don't know.

1619
01:06:09.539 --> 01:06:11.760
I just think it's got a weird sort of sense of unease about it

1620
01:06:11.940 --> 01:06:13.559
Pulaski story, that's fair.

1621
01:06:13.619 --> 01:06:14.280
Yeah, as usual.

1622
01:06:14.400 --> 01:06:18.000
Yeah, and it is that sort of season 2 thing where things are still

1623
01:06:18.000 --> 01:06:21.659
kind of weird and haven't bedded down yet, but I don't know.

1624
01:06:21.780 --> 01:06:23.579
I think we could aim higher, you know?

1625
01:06:23.639 --> 01:06:24.539
Yeah, all right.

1626
01:06:25.800 --> 01:06:28.619
We've kind of done this from the other end.

1627
01:06:28.679 --> 01:06:31.019
Season seven, episode seven.

1628
01:06:33.659 --> 01:06:35.699
You'll see what I mean.

1629
01:06:35.940 --> 01:06:39.239
Season seven, episode 12, the Pegasus.

1630
01:06:41.039 --> 01:06:43.320
Fucking season seven.

1631
01:06:43.380 --> 01:06:45.239
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1632
01:06:45.300 --> 01:06:48.300
No, I'm be throwing anything from season seven.

1633
01:06:48.360 --> 01:06:51.360
Only because I really want something from season one.

1634
01:06:51.719 --> 01:06:54.000
Your wish is my command.

1635
01:06:54.059 --> 01:06:57.960
So this is this is really bad.

1636
01:06:58.019 --> 01:06:59.639
Craig, go on.

1637
01:06:59.699 --> 01:07:01.320
Not a code of honour.

1638
01:07:01.380 --> 01:07:03.599
No, it's too short a season.

1639
01:07:03.659 --> 01:07:06.599
Oh, the worst latex.

1640
01:07:07.679 --> 01:07:08.519
Oh, my God.

1641
01:07:08.579 --> 01:07:12.960
And so when I was a kid, like my 1st encounter with Star Trek

1642
01:07:12.960 --> 01:07:19.260
really was the VHS tapes that were released not to buy, not for

1643
01:07:19.260 --> 01:07:23.639
kind of buying at home, but for video shops to buy.

1644
01:07:23.699 --> 01:07:27.119
And in Australia, the ones that were released omitted 2 episodes.

1645
01:07:27.179 --> 01:07:28.380
So they were never released.

1646
01:07:28.380 --> 01:07:31.079
And I always just assumed it was because they were the worst too.

1647
01:07:31.139 --> 01:07:36.000
And it's possible that they were because they were home soil and

1648
01:07:36.000 --> 01:07:37.260
too short a season.

1649
01:07:37.320 --> 01:07:42.300
Soil, ugly bags, all mostly water.

1650
01:07:42.360 --> 01:07:43.079
That's pretty good.

1651
01:07:43.139 --> 01:07:44.940
But yep, no, not watching that.

1652
01:07:45.780 --> 01:07:48.239
Oh, have you gone past it?

1653
01:07:48.300 --> 01:07:49.500
I was looking forward to that.

1654
01:07:49.559 --> 01:07:50.639
Oh, come on, then.

1655
01:07:50.699 --> 01:07:51.420
What we doing now, then?

1656
01:07:51.480 --> 01:07:52.980
I think I think we might be okay.

1657
01:07:53.039 --> 01:07:55.139
It better be better than too short of a season.

1658
01:07:55.199 --> 01:07:57.420
It is a bit better. on.

1659
01:07:57.480 --> 01:08:01.559
Season six, episode 15 tapestry.

1660
01:08:01.619 --> 01:08:03.780
Oh, that's a banger.

1661
01:08:03.840 --> 01:08:04.440
That is.

1662
01:08:04.559 --> 01:08:05.159
Yeah, yeah.

1663
01:08:05.219 --> 01:08:05.880
Yeah.

1664
01:08:05.940 --> 01:08:07.079
One of the best top tier.

1665
01:08:07.139 --> 01:08:08.099
You have to do that.

1666
01:08:08.159 --> 01:08:10.619
Luck Picard. here.

1667
01:08:10.679 --> 01:08:11.159
Yeah.

1668
01:08:11.159 --> 01:08:11.760
Yeah.

1669
01:08:11.820 --> 01:08:16.380
We absolutely, absolutely. and he goes, morning darling. doesn't

1670
01:08:16.380 --> 01:08:16.560
he?

1671
01:08:16.560 --> 01:08:17.520
Isn't he stroking him?

1672
01:08:17.579 --> 01:08:19.619
Like, doesn't he stroke his head and wake him up?

1673
01:08:19.920 --> 01:08:23.460
They're quite friendly at this point, Stuart.

1674
01:08:24.239 --> 01:08:28.380
Certainly much sexier than Alice and the worst Robert were in that

1675
01:08:28.380 --> 01:08:29.520
episode that we just watched.

1676
01:08:29.579 --> 01:08:33.180
Has a really visceral stabbing scene in there as well, where

1677
01:08:33.180 --> 01:08:35.399
Picard gets stabbed.

1678
01:08:35.460 --> 01:08:38.819
And that just glorious scene.

1679
01:08:38.880 --> 01:08:44.460
Picard is sent back into the future as a lieutenant. and Riker

1680
01:08:44.460 --> 01:08:47.640
says to him, oh, I don't think you're really for command.

1681
01:08:47.699 --> 01:08:49.020
You're a no one.

1682
01:08:49.079 --> 01:08:52.500
You're nobody. let's watch it sounds really fun.

1683
01:08:52.560 --> 01:08:54.720
It's a really good episode. can't wait.

1684
01:09:02.220 --> 01:09:06.000
You've been listening to entitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford

1685
01:09:06.000 --> 01:09:10.319
and Nathan Bottomley, where online at untitled Star Trek Project

1686
01:09:09.359 --> 01:09:12.960
com, where you can find subscription links and links to our social

1687
01:09:12.960 --> 01:09:13.920
media accounts.

1688
01:09:13.979 --> 01:09:17.760
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Ciceran, and the theme was

1689
01:09:17.760 --> 01:09:19.439
composed by Cameron Lam.

1690
01:09:19.500 --> 01:09:24.359
This episode was recorded on the 27th of May 2025 and released on

1691
01:09:24.359 --> 01:09:25.619
the 30th of May.

1692
01:09:25.680 --> 01:09:28.920
We'll see you next time for Star Trek the Next Generation

1693
01:09:28.920 --> 01:09:30.300
Tapestry.

1694
01:09:45.779 --> 01:09:47.819
Shall we have there?

1695
01:09:47.939 --> 01:09:49.859
Yeah, whatever.

1696
01:09:49.920 --> 01:09:52.859
There's nothing else to say.

1697
01:09:52.859 --> 01:09:57.180
I can't believe at one point in that episode, I just went...

1698
01:10:00.420 --> 01:10:05.579
I still think your most, my most famous, my favourite thing about

1699
01:10:05.579 --> 01:10:09.779
your recent performances has been when you were doing the empath's

1700
01:10:09.779 --> 01:10:13.199
voice..

1701
01:10:14.819 --> 01:10:19.439
I did make myself laugh when I was like, I'm not going to

1702
01:10:19.439 --> 01:10:20.399
sacrifice myself.

1703
01:10:20.880 --> 01:10:22.800
You do it.

1704
01:10:22.859 --> 01:10:25.140
Jesus Christ. so good.

1705
01:10:26.880 --> 01:10:33.060
But I mean, that was a bad episode of Star Trek, but it was... like

1706
01:10:33.060 --> 01:10:33.239
this.

1707
01:10:33.300 --> 01:10:34.319
Yeah.

1708
01:10:35.220 --> 01:10:37.260
Although we did laugh a lot in that.

1709
01:10:37.319 --> 01:10:40.859
We generally laugh at the worst ones more than we do.

1710
01:10:40.920 --> 01:10:41.640
Oh, yeah, yeah.

1711
01:10:41.699 --> 01:10:44.939
But I mean, this is there's a sense in which nothing in this apart

1712
01:10:44.939 --> 01:10:47.520
from the inadvertent message is terrible.

1713
01:10:47.640 --> 01:10:49.680
It's just boring.

1714
01:10:49.739 --> 01:10:51.420
It's just mid and boring.

1715
01:10:52.319 --> 01:10:55.140
Nathan riddles are started, right?

1716
01:10:55.199 --> 01:10:58.619
And the alien of the week has shown up and he could have been more

1717
01:10:58.619 --> 01:11:00.180
Beaumarian if he's right.

1718
01:11:01.199 --> 01:11:03.180
He wearing a coat hanger?

1719
01:11:03.239 --> 01:11:06.420
No, he doesn't, but he sort of looks like he's got jaundice

1720
01:11:06.420 --> 01:11:10.380
because he's very sort of yellow and he's sort of got ridges that

1721
01:11:10.380 --> 01:11:15.119
go in like this and then sort of come out. with weird lines going

1722
01:11:15.119 --> 01:11:16.680
up here and a crazy haircut.

1723
01:11:16.739 --> 01:11:18.479
No, that's no good.

1724
01:11:18.539 --> 01:11:21.180
Oh, no, you can see the lion where his wig is.

1725
01:11:21.239 --> 01:11:22.739
No, dear.

1726
01:11:23.880 --> 01:11:27.239
Being this close to the screen does it no favours.

1727
01:11:27.300 --> 01:11:29.520
Yeah, no, that's a problem.

1728
01:11:29.579 --> 01:11:34.199
And he has got just a little bit of makeup here to suggest that

1729
01:11:34.199 --> 01:11:36.180
there's something going on underneath his clothes.

1730
01:11:36.239 --> 01:11:37.319
Just a little.

1731
01:11:38.460 --> 01:11:41.399
God bless them. anyway.

1732
01:11:41.460 --> 01:11:42.720
Oh, please.

1733
01:11:42.779 --> 01:11:44.340
Chew sorry. good.

1734
01:11:44.399 --> 01:11:45.960
Okay, okay.

1735
01:11:46.020 --> 01:11:47.640
I can guarantee that I'll do that.

1736
01:11:47.699 --> 01:11:48.899
But...

1737
01:11:48.899 --> 01:11:51.659
I'm gonna give it...

1738
01:11:51.659 --> 01:11:54.720
I mean, it's miles away from those lower decks we watch this, isn't

1739
01:11:54.720 --> 01:11:54.899
it?

1740
01:11:54.960 --> 01:11:57.060
Yeah, I know. like chalk and cheese.

1741
01:11:58.800 --> 01:12:00.960
All right, it's the end of the episode.