WEBVTT NOTE This transcript was created on 2026-06-06 at 22:01:05 1 00:00:21.839 --> 00:00:24.660 Hey, Joe. Hi. 2 00:00:24.719 --> 00:00:29.039 So, we're back for the second week in a row. 3 00:00:29.039 --> 00:00:29.760 Yes. 4 00:00:29.760 --> 00:00:36.060 Aboard the USS Cerritos, and we are watching the series finale. 5 00:00:36.119 --> 00:00:43.740 So season 5's final episode and the final episode of the entire show, which is called the New Next Generation. 6 00:00:43.859 --> 00:00:50.460 It is, as we record, the 2nd most recent Star Trek thing to be released. 7 00:00:50.520 --> 00:00:55.380 The only thing that's been released this year. has been section 31. 8 00:00:55.560 --> 00:01:00.719 And this episode was released on the 19th of December 2024. 9 00:01:01.560 --> 00:01:03.780 So it's not all that old. 10 00:01:03.840 --> 00:01:16.319 Now, last week, you said that in preparation for this, you would take the opportunity to watch all of season 5 of lower decks. 11 00:01:16.920 --> 00:01:18.420 You know how I always keep my word. 12 00:01:18.480 --> 00:01:19.140 Yeah. 13 00:01:19.200 --> 00:01:20.340 So how did you go? 14 00:01:21.659 --> 00:01:24.180 For once, I did keep my words. 15 00:01:24.239 --> 00:01:28.620 I didn't watch it in like 24 hours or something. 16 00:01:28.680 --> 00:01:29.579 It was so quick. 17 00:01:29.640 --> 00:01:31.379 Okay, so I watched the 1st one. 18 00:01:31.439 --> 00:01:32.640 Dos Sarutos. 19 00:01:32.700 --> 00:01:34.260 I was like, oh, this is so great. 20 00:01:34.319 --> 00:01:40.200 So then every single time I had like time to spare, I was watching another episode. 21 00:01:40.260 --> 00:01:43.140 Now, my other half works from home, so he watched a lot of these with me as well. 22 00:01:43.200 --> 00:01:46.019 I was sitting there on the sofa going, are you watching that cartoon again? 23 00:01:46.079 --> 00:01:49.439 I was like, how amazing it is. 24 00:01:49.560 --> 00:02:03.420 I've got to say, I have one issue, right, with what I did, and that is, it's of such a high standard, yeah, the whole season was such a high standard, although there were standouts. 25 00:02:03.480 --> 00:02:06.959 I thought the Klingon episode was a standout. 26 00:02:07.019 --> 00:02:08.039 I't remember what that was called now. 27 00:02:08.099 --> 00:02:09.300 Farewell to Farms. 28 00:02:09.360 --> 00:02:10.620 Thank you very much. 29 00:02:10.680 --> 00:02:12.840 The Starbase episode was amazing. 30 00:02:13.259 --> 00:02:21.240 And the episode where the 2 symbols were having a war that was absolutely brilliant. 31 00:02:21.419 --> 00:02:29.819 But the issue with bingeing lower decks is it kind of all blurs into one. 32 00:02:29.879 --> 00:02:39.659 So I was like to say like, okay, am I going to pull out certain episodes to talk about today when we talk about this season that I've watched and I couldn't remember individual episodes. 33 00:02:39.719 --> 00:02:41.580 I could just remember the year. 34 00:02:41.639 --> 00:02:51.719 So I think I prefer the way you and I do. it, which is doing an episode every now and again in isolation and then watching it like that. 35 00:02:51.780 --> 00:02:53.639 I'm not a binge. what I'm saying. 36 00:02:53.699 --> 00:02:54.180 Yeah, yeah. 37 00:02:54.240 --> 00:02:58.919 I mean, I watched this as it came out, so I watched an episode a week. 38 00:02:58.979 --> 00:03:03.419 And so I did get a sense of the individual episodes, I think. 39 00:03:03.539 --> 00:03:13.199 But I do think that, you know, things like Picard and Discovery work really well as one big extended story. 40 00:03:13.319 --> 00:03:17.039 And I think that sometimes lower deck stars as well. 41 00:03:17.099 --> 00:03:19.919 And this does have a kind of running thread. 42 00:03:19.919 --> 00:03:27.180 It's worth remembering, though, that Picard and Discovery, you know, could be inconsistent in quality from episode to episode. 43 00:03:27.240 --> 00:03:31.500 So it's always good to know there's another one you can watch straight after if you watch a really shit one. 44 00:03:31.560 --> 00:03:38.159 Whereas when you watch lower decks, it's all such a high quality that what I will say is, God, it was a confident year. 45 00:03:38.219 --> 00:03:42.780 It had a great running storyline that I was really invested in. 46 00:03:42.840 --> 00:03:56.219 The journey from the 1st episode to the last where you see all of these characters blossom. in their roles as, oh, come on, characters by the end of the season was glorious. 47 00:03:56.340 --> 00:04:00.120 The thing that impressed me the most so was the visuals. 48 00:04:00.180 --> 00:04:02.219 Oh, my fucking God. 49 00:04:02.280 --> 00:04:07.500 There was a couple of episodes where I was staggered at the visual inventiveness of it. 50 00:04:07.560 --> 00:04:09.719 I mean, this episode we're talking about today. 51 00:04:09.780 --> 00:04:12.419 They saved some of the best for last. 52 00:04:12.419 --> 00:04:17.040 And a small note for the penultimate episode, which probably was my favourite episode. 53 00:04:17.040 --> 00:04:23.519 Ever of Lower Decks with all the 100s of Harry Kims and the evil lieutenant. 54 00:04:23.579 --> 00:04:30.720 The glorious Garak and Bashir romance, you know, Tapawin there with her sassy lines. 55 00:04:30.779 --> 00:04:31.560 Oh my god. 56 00:04:31.620 --> 00:04:34.319 I mean, that was, for God's sake. 57 00:04:34.379 --> 00:04:41.759 Appropriately, they left the last episode for this cruise and to showcase them out their best. 58 00:04:41.819 --> 00:04:46.019 But lower decks is a massive love letter tonight's trek. 59 00:04:46.079 --> 00:04:50.939 So that penultimate episode, basically pulling in all, yeah, for God's sake. 60 00:04:52.139 --> 00:04:56.339 That it was just, that was probably my favourite of the year. 61 00:04:56.399 --> 00:04:57.180 It is pretty good. 62 00:04:57.420 --> 00:05:05.160 But yeah, I mean, on the whole, though, just a brilliant, brilliant year of Star Trek. 63 00:05:05.220 --> 00:05:07.379 Yeah, they really went out on a high. 64 00:05:07.439 --> 00:05:08.399 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 65 00:05:08.459 --> 00:05:18.480 It's, um, it is sad to see it go and I was misting up a little bit when I was watching it just before coming on the call, but it is really satisfying. 66 00:05:18.540 --> 00:05:19.980 And I really like how it ends. 67 00:05:20.040 --> 00:05:34.860 It does the same trick that Star Trek Discovery does, which is that it winds up its major plot in about the normal length of an episode, and then it has a coder, which kind of just talks about where everyone goes. 68 00:05:34.920 --> 00:05:37.439 And I guess no one did as well, wasn't it? 69 00:05:37.500 --> 00:05:38.100 Yeah, okay. 70 00:05:38.160 --> 00:05:39.060 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 71 00:05:39.120 --> 00:05:39.600 That's right. 72 00:05:39.660 --> 00:05:43.920 And so this finishes sort of 8 minutes or something before the end of the episode. 73 00:05:44.100 --> 00:05:47.579 It remembers that we care about these characters. 74 00:05:47.639 --> 00:05:52.680 So it isn't just about the season plot wrapping up where are these characters going. 75 00:05:52.740 --> 00:05:54.540 It's what Voyager forgot in Endgame. 76 00:05:54.600 --> 00:05:58.379 When they got everybody home. and then went to the closing credits. 77 00:05:58.439 --> 00:06:00.420 Yeah, that's right. 78 00:06:00.420 --> 00:06:01.920 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 79 00:06:01.980 --> 00:06:02.339 Yeah. 80 00:06:02.399 --> 00:06:05.160 No, I think it's really good. really, really enjoyed it. 81 00:06:05.220 --> 00:06:09.180 And I get what you see about it being visually inventive. 82 00:06:09.240 --> 00:06:18.720 I am going to need you to help me out with some of the stuff because I did watch this on 1st broadcast, but it did start in October last year. 83 00:06:18.720 --> 00:06:21.540 And I have watched Doceritos again. 84 00:06:21.600 --> 00:06:29.759 Oh, and we did Shades of Green, obviously, but I haven't really watched any of the rest, oh, and fully dilated, obviously. 85 00:06:29.819 --> 00:06:32.160 But, oh, and I watched up a Dexter. 86 00:06:32.220 --> 00:06:32.819 What am I talking about? 87 00:06:32.879 --> 00:06:34.259 I have watched... 88 00:06:34.319 --> 00:06:36.420 Yeah, yeah, that's what I think about it. 89 00:06:36.480 --> 00:06:38.279 I have actually watched most of this. 90 00:06:38.819 --> 00:06:41.160 But yeah, it is pretty great. 91 00:06:41.220 --> 00:06:53.579 I mean, it's basically there's this great wibbly electric nebula that is threatening all of the alpha quadrant and it's turning spaceship centre alternative versions of each other. 92 00:06:53.639 --> 00:06:54.899 That's all you need to know. 93 00:06:54.959 --> 00:06:56.519 And then just watch the visuals. 94 00:06:56.579 --> 00:07:01.439 Watch that fabulous Doritos suddenly have all these weapons and that clear... 95 00:07:01.800 --> 00:07:05.819 I mean, didn't even the Discovery Klingons turn up at one point? 96 00:07:05.879 --> 00:07:07.560 Right in the opening beard. 97 00:07:07.560 --> 00:07:12.180 And the bird of prey turns into a discovery type bird of prey. 98 00:07:12.180 --> 00:07:14.759 It turns into proto-Klingons. 99 00:07:16.199 --> 00:07:17.220 Proto Klingons. 100 00:07:17.279 --> 00:07:18.420 That's genesis, isn't it? 101 00:07:18.480 --> 00:07:21.000 That's where like mindless proto-Cleons. 102 00:07:22.439 --> 00:07:24.300 Absolutely not. 103 00:07:24.360 --> 00:07:27.779 You can do a lot of letter, anything you want, but not Genesis, all right. 104 00:07:27.839 --> 00:07:28.560 It's already done. 105 00:07:28.620 --> 00:07:29.160 They've done it. 106 00:07:29.220 --> 00:07:36.600 Oh, and did you notice at the end where the new lower decks people were all around the table with the candle from Sub Rosa? 107 00:07:36.720 --> 00:07:37.199 Yes. 108 00:07:39.120 --> 00:07:41.100 And that was lovely. 109 00:07:41.160 --> 00:07:42.000 I love that as well. 110 00:07:42.060 --> 00:07:43.199 This kind of... 111 00:07:43.259 --> 00:07:46.740 Okay, now Boimlo, Maron, and everybody, they're in important roles. 112 00:07:46.800 --> 00:07:54.300 Now we've got our new lower decks and it goes on and the message at the end was this wasn't the end of this adventure. 113 00:07:54.360 --> 00:07:55.319 This is just the start. 114 00:07:55.379 --> 00:08:03.720 But it also did the DS9 thing of moving a few, well, in this case, it's just, oh, good grief. forgotten her name. 115 00:08:03.779 --> 00:08:04.199 Carol. 116 00:08:04.199 --> 00:08:04.860 Carol. 117 00:08:04.920 --> 00:08:11.579 Yeah, Carol, it moves Carol and her husband to Starbase 80. the most terrible starbase in the quadrant. 118 00:08:11.639 --> 00:08:24.420 But that was wonderful because Starbase 80 was from earlier in the show's run because Mariner gets sent there after she gives that interview and she gets in trouble and she gets sent to Starbase 80 and it is a sort of punishment and everyone there is kind of awful. 119 00:08:24.480 --> 00:08:27.120 And so that episode in the middle of this season. 120 00:08:27.180 --> 00:08:35.399 Starbase 80 that rehabilitates Starbase 80 And, you know, like all of the things like they bring back the 2 Klingons from a farewell to farms. 121 00:08:35.460 --> 00:08:38.820 That was one of the best Klingon episodes I've ever seen. 122 00:08:38.879 --> 00:08:40.200 I've just got to say that. 123 00:08:40.259 --> 00:08:43.919 The way they deconstruct all the Klingon cliches. 124 00:08:43.980 --> 00:08:47.820 And just turn those 2 people into genuine fucking characters. 125 00:08:47.879 --> 00:08:49.200 Oh, it was amazing. 126 00:08:49.259 --> 00:08:50.279 It's terrific. 127 00:08:50.340 --> 00:09:06.120 And like Ollie, you know, the granddaughter of Zeus, presumably the niece of the Apollo that we met in who mourns for Adonise. on the planet Pollux 4, like all of those deep dives, but she saves the day as well. 128 00:09:06.179 --> 00:09:14.340 You know, she has a massive role and just like just the moments again with Tandy and to Lynn, who've become a brilliant double act. 129 00:09:14.399 --> 00:09:16.320 That was the best moment of the whole episode. 130 00:09:16.379 --> 00:09:18.120 Science bestie. 131 00:09:19.919 --> 00:09:21.419 So good. 132 00:09:21.419 --> 00:09:26.220 And they do that cartoon thing where it's... from the screen. 133 00:09:26.340 --> 00:09:27.960 So great. 134 00:09:28.019 --> 00:09:38.519 Oh, and do you know what, but it made me howl as well as when the woman said, um, start by saying, come and have some of our uh, homemade decontamination chill. 135 00:09:38.580 --> 00:09:39.779 I'm like, oh, no. 136 00:09:39.779 --> 00:09:43.019 We're doing enterprise jails. 137 00:09:43.019 --> 00:09:44.100 We just got sakes. 138 00:09:44.220 --> 00:09:46.620 So great, so good. 139 00:09:46.679 --> 00:09:47.279 Oh boy. 140 00:09:47.340 --> 00:09:48.360 All right. 141 00:09:48.419 --> 00:09:49.259 What do you think? 142 00:09:49.320 --> 00:09:51.480 I think we probably should watch the thing. 143 00:09:51.539 --> 00:09:52.860 Yes, I think you'd be wonderful. 144 00:09:52.919 --> 00:09:53.820 Let's go. 145 00:09:53.940 --> 00:09:58.799 Just, please, just, you know, keep your eye on these visuals, so... 146 00:09:58.860 --> 00:09:59.820 So brilliant. 147 00:09:59.879 --> 00:10:00.720 Okay. 148 00:10:00.779 --> 00:10:02.039 I will count us in. 149 00:10:02.580 --> 00:10:08.340 Five, four, three, two, one, and we're off. 150 00:10:08.700 --> 00:10:12.360 Now, see if you can find it. 151 00:10:12.480 --> 00:10:14.279 Can we see the koala? 152 00:10:14.759 --> 00:10:16.200 That is. 153 00:10:16.200 --> 00:10:17.759 There's the koala. 154 00:10:17.820 --> 00:10:19.139 Bloody koala. 155 00:10:19.200 --> 00:10:20.159 I swear you're making this up. 156 00:10:20.220 --> 00:10:21.659 No, no, the cloud koala. 157 00:10:21.720 --> 00:10:23.039 Remember the guy who ascends? 158 00:10:23.100 --> 00:10:23.879 Like, that's God. 159 00:10:23.940 --> 00:10:25.080 The koala. 160 00:10:25.200 --> 00:10:26.340 You believe any old cliche? 161 00:10:26.399 --> 00:10:30.000 when they say Spock's face is in that meteor dust in the DS9? 162 00:10:30.059 --> 00:10:31.440 No, no. 163 00:10:31.440 --> 00:10:33.059 It's definitely a thing. 164 00:10:33.120 --> 00:10:35.159 Oh, is it Mergill? 165 00:10:35.220 --> 00:10:36.659 Previously on Lower Decks. 166 00:10:36.720 --> 00:10:40.320 No, so it's the woman who plays her name's Jessica McKenna. 167 00:10:40.379 --> 00:10:41.759 Oh, no, it's a man. 168 00:10:41.820 --> 00:10:44.159 I actually didn't recognise who the previously voiced was. 169 00:10:44.220 --> 00:10:45.480 It wasn't the computer this time. 170 00:10:45.539 --> 00:10:47.879 Gosh, there's some good music in this episode. 171 00:10:47.940 --> 00:10:58.379 They used that Klingon, the Klingon music, like really well, and then they just deploy the hero, um, you know, the incredible hero, Cerritos music all the time. 172 00:10:58.440 --> 00:11:02.340 Can I just say, you know, last week we were talking about who's hot? 173 00:11:02.399 --> 00:11:04.379 like Rutherford with his shirt off? 174 00:11:04.440 --> 00:11:05.399 Yeah. 175 00:11:05.399 --> 00:11:06.899 Malor. 176 00:11:06.960 --> 00:11:10.139 My husband, the brother. 177 00:11:10.980 --> 00:11:14.279 You've got a kink for Klingons, dude. 178 00:11:14.340 --> 00:11:15.120 He's hard. 179 00:11:15.299 --> 00:11:20.399 Actually, Tony Todd was pretty hot as well, yeah, handsome man. 180 00:11:20.460 --> 00:11:22.440 Well, they're usually buff, aren't they? 181 00:11:22.500 --> 00:11:23.279 Yeah, yeah. 182 00:11:23.340 --> 00:11:27.960 Look at this. a defiant starship. 183 00:11:28.019 --> 00:11:30.240 Yeah, sealing up a fisher. 184 00:11:30.360 --> 00:11:34.799 There is an amazing defiant moment as well at the very end, which I thought was really good. 185 00:11:34.860 --> 00:11:36.899 So here we have the Klingons. 186 00:11:36.960 --> 00:11:40.320 We're on the edge of Klingon space and they're about to encounter one of these fishes. 187 00:11:40.379 --> 00:11:44.759 She has got the ugliest looking tog you've ever seen in your life. 188 00:11:44.820 --> 00:11:45.659 Look at it. 189 00:11:45.659 --> 00:11:46.740 Isn't it? 190 00:11:46.799 --> 00:11:47.279 It's barking. 191 00:11:47.340 --> 00:11:48.899 It's a little yappie Chihuahua. 192 00:11:48.960 --> 00:11:50.519 Like, but it's a tag. 193 00:11:50.580 --> 00:11:56.460 I mean, they should have done it as if they glued the horn on, like they did in the TRS, like it was a dog. 194 00:11:57.360 --> 00:12:00.659 Is she our new loser then or Betor? 195 00:12:00.720 --> 00:12:11.519 Well, so she is the brother of the 2 guys, the 2 brothers that get killed by my, I don't know how we pronounce his name, uh, yeah. 196 00:12:12.120 --> 00:12:13.919 That's the old stock TNG cliche. 197 00:12:13.980 --> 00:12:15.960 Yeah, revenge for my brother, stroke sister. 198 00:12:16.019 --> 00:12:17.399 Yeah, exactly. 199 00:12:17.460 --> 00:12:20.519 The webs of electricity crackling out. 200 00:12:20.580 --> 00:12:21.659 Fabulous. 201 00:12:21.720 --> 00:12:24.000 It cracks in reality or something. 202 00:12:24.059 --> 00:12:26.220 I don't know what it is. just looks incredible. 203 00:12:26.279 --> 00:12:28.500 And the Soliton wave. 204 00:12:28.559 --> 00:12:33.779 Remember, wasn't the soliton wave considered as, you know, the next thing surfing a soliton wave? 205 00:12:33.840 --> 00:12:35.700 There's an episode of Star Trek, the next. 206 00:12:35.820 --> 00:12:40.500 There is our Discovery Klingon and the Discovery Klingon bird of prey that smashes into the other one. 207 00:12:40.559 --> 00:12:43.740 It sort of flew across and smashed into the other one. 208 00:12:43.799 --> 00:12:45.179 Oh, yeah. 209 00:12:45.179 --> 00:12:46.139 It looks so good. 210 00:12:47.820 --> 00:12:51.600 She looks she looks permanently pissed. 211 00:12:52.200 --> 00:12:52.679 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 212 00:12:52.740 --> 00:12:53.340 She's wonderful. 213 00:12:53.399 --> 00:12:54.120 She's awesome. 214 00:12:54.179 --> 00:12:54.960 Or evil. 215 00:12:55.379 --> 00:13:01.139 And it's funny that it is like, this is just a normal episode. 216 00:13:01.200 --> 00:13:14.940 I think I think the opening with Jack giving the captain's log or the, you know, 1st officer's log, and we just see the people, you know, just going about their normal day is supposed to remind us what this ship is like, what life on the ship is like. 217 00:13:15.000 --> 00:13:23.340 So that does seem like, and there's, you know, Taana hitting on shacks and stuff, and that gives you a sense of what life's going to be like after the episode's over. 218 00:13:23.399 --> 00:13:26.519 But it's otherwise it's just a normal episode. 219 00:13:26.580 --> 00:13:35.820 They can do sort of like, not complicated arcs, but um, you know, uh, compelling arcs, but it's not really that show, is it? 220 00:13:35.879 --> 00:13:46.799 This is like a, it's normally like a 25 minute hit of pure pleasure, you know, where you don't have to think too on, and it's just bam, bam, bam, funny lines, great visuals, great performances. 221 00:13:46.860 --> 00:13:48.360 So I'm pleased they ended. 222 00:13:48.419 --> 00:13:49.919 Oh, look, there he is, sucking on the arse. 223 00:13:49.919 --> 00:13:52.259 For the last time, sucking on the arse. 224 00:13:52.320 --> 00:14:00.720 So remember that series 4 just had a ship that came and killed people and we would see these different ships with different races on it. 225 00:14:00.779 --> 00:14:06.419 You know, there's the binars one week and the Romulans one week and there's a few gags and then a sheep appears and disintegrates them. 226 00:14:06.419 --> 00:14:10.440 And then it turns out that it was Nick Lucano all along in the finale. 227 00:14:10.500 --> 00:14:12.240 There's Badgie going along the corridor there. 228 00:14:12.299 --> 00:14:14.820 That shot there of all the different decks. 229 00:14:14.820 --> 00:14:16.799 And things happening in every window. 230 00:14:17.100 --> 00:14:18.840 Oh, I love this. 231 00:14:18.899 --> 00:14:19.980 Look at Jack. 232 00:14:20.399 --> 00:14:21.960 Look at Jack in the background reacting. 233 00:14:22.019 --> 00:14:24.120 He's kind of going, yeah, I'm going. 234 00:14:24.419 --> 00:14:26.399 God, I love you. 235 00:14:26.460 --> 00:14:27.360 She says. 236 00:14:27.360 --> 00:14:28.500 That's wonderful. 237 00:14:28.559 --> 00:14:29.639 Like that's that's that. 238 00:14:29.700 --> 00:14:32.940 That's that relationship, you know, for the end of the for the end of the show. 239 00:14:33.240 --> 00:14:41.759 I'm pleased to say that because we watched fully dilated the other day that Borner's beard is now lush, beautiful. 240 00:14:41.820 --> 00:14:43.379 Yeah, he looks like a real man now. 241 00:14:43.440 --> 00:14:45.179 Well, like, in a year, though. 242 00:14:45.240 --> 00:14:46.379 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 243 00:14:46.379 --> 00:14:47.820 From bearded blowner from the 1st episode. 244 00:14:48.059 --> 00:14:54.899 I loved the journey that Rutherford goes on in this one as well, where his, what's it called? 245 00:14:55.019 --> 00:14:58.679 his implant's not working properly. and he thinks he's fallen out of love with the ship. 246 00:14:58.740 --> 00:15:01.259 And he realises it isn't the ship. 247 00:15:01.320 --> 00:15:02.519 It's the implant. 248 00:15:02.580 --> 00:15:05.220 Of course he loves the Cerritos. 249 00:15:05.279 --> 00:15:11.460 That hero moment where he pulls out those isolinear chips at the end just is absolutely brilliant. 250 00:15:11.519 --> 00:15:14.220 I've never seen anyone engineer like that before. 251 00:15:14.279 --> 00:15:15.779 Yeah, technical, isn't it? 252 00:15:15.840 --> 00:15:16.500 Just tremendous. 253 00:15:16.559 --> 00:15:17.519 Just terrific. 254 00:15:17.580 --> 00:15:19.440 Oh, dear. 255 00:15:19.440 --> 00:15:30.240 And the moment where he breaks the, where Brad Boimler breaks the red pad because he wants to support... 256 00:15:30.299 --> 00:15:31.259 Gorgeous. 257 00:15:31.320 --> 00:15:34.259 She goes, that's really stupid, but kind of sweet. 258 00:15:34.320 --> 00:15:36.539 Yeah, it's really good, isn't it? 259 00:15:36.600 --> 00:15:39.120 I like the fact that they said to her, you know what? 260 00:15:39.179 --> 00:15:44.100 You seem to have lost your touch, so she's a total bitch and she makes that man jump. 261 00:15:44.159 --> 00:15:45.299 He's coming along with his food. 262 00:15:45.360 --> 00:15:51.000 What about this line here, boy, with screaming and breaking glass and stuff because he's read the pad. 263 00:15:51.120 --> 00:15:53.340 And then Teddy says, is it just me or his boy? 264 00:15:53.340 --> 00:15:54.840 We're always freaking out about it. 265 00:15:54.840 --> 00:15:57.120 Pat and Delin says, it is not just you. 266 00:15:58.019 --> 00:15:59.639 She is. 267 00:15:59.639 --> 00:16:00.960 Oh, Grace. 268 00:16:01.019 --> 00:16:07.740 The bit at the end where Ransom says Starfleet wants us to go and investigator talking goo. 269 00:16:07.740 --> 00:16:09.539 Visc was talking. 270 00:16:09.600 --> 00:16:11.039 What is the viscopity off the blue? 271 00:16:11.100 --> 00:16:12.779 Jesus got the viscosity. 272 00:16:12.840 --> 00:16:14.759 And Tendi says, is it saying anything nice? 273 00:16:14.759 --> 00:16:19.320 And he just sort of think, oh, yes, the 2 of them together. science, buddy. 274 00:16:19.379 --> 00:16:22.080 You just sort of want to watch the next series now, don't you? 275 00:16:22.139 --> 00:16:27.480 With him as the key. with Boimla and Marina, both ancient for that role. 276 00:16:27.539 --> 00:16:29.639 Oh, because that's a perfect... 277 00:16:29.700 --> 00:16:32.220 That's a perfect cartoon plot. 278 00:16:32.279 --> 00:16:34.679 So we left in the middle of that. 279 00:16:34.740 --> 00:16:36.659 There's a cartoon plot that we're never going to see. 280 00:16:36.720 --> 00:16:39.720 Oh, so here's my and his hot brother. 281 00:16:39.779 --> 00:16:42.960 Oh, look at his horrible toes look. 282 00:16:43.019 --> 00:16:43.799 Yeah, yeah. 283 00:16:43.860 --> 00:16:47.940 I thought my feet as well, you know, but those are hideous. 284 00:16:50.279 --> 00:16:52.320 Oh, dear. 285 00:16:52.320 --> 00:16:54.000 So he's in... 286 00:16:54.000 --> 00:16:56.820 Wait, wake me if Kayla comes. 287 00:16:56.879 --> 00:16:58.440 So he, look at that. 288 00:16:58.500 --> 00:17:01.500 And this is where we get the Klingon music and all of that. 289 00:17:01.559 --> 00:17:03.000 They look great, don't they? 290 00:17:03.059 --> 00:17:05.339 Oh my god, the talk's right on the screen. 291 00:17:05.400 --> 00:17:07.079 So ugly. 292 00:17:07.380 --> 00:17:09.779 Small yuppy dogs. 293 00:17:09.839 --> 00:17:10.500 Oh my word. 294 00:17:10.559 --> 00:17:11.460 Oh, terrible. 295 00:17:11.519 --> 00:17:23.160 So, so he gets introduced in, uh, gets introduced in, uh, the 3 ships episode that introduces to Lynn. 296 00:17:23.220 --> 00:17:24.660 Remember that? 297 00:17:24.720 --> 00:17:26.220 It's fantastic. 298 00:17:26.279 --> 00:17:27.240 It's so good. 299 00:17:27.299 --> 00:17:33.900 And it, yeah, you know, like it's a, our ship and a, uh, Vulcan ship and a Klingon ship. 300 00:17:33.960 --> 00:17:36.240 These are so great. bargain dog. 301 00:17:36.599 --> 00:17:38.640 Oh, she gets angry. 302 00:17:38.700 --> 00:17:40.380 She throws something. 303 00:17:41.039 --> 00:17:43.440 Yeah, yeah, yeah, she's awesome. 304 00:17:43.500 --> 00:17:44.099 He's great. 305 00:17:44.339 --> 00:17:52.319 Oh look at these special effects now. my god we're sort of zooming around the bird of prey. so good, isn't it? 306 00:17:52.380 --> 00:17:53.640 F flying everywhere. 307 00:17:53.700 --> 00:17:55.680 This is properly dynamic. 308 00:17:57.660 --> 00:17:59.579 See, he's hot. 309 00:17:59.640 --> 00:18:07.920 So, Maloria Sam Whitworth, who was in the American version of being human, but he was also crashed down in Battlestar Galactica. 310 00:18:07.980 --> 00:18:08.880 He's super hot. 311 00:18:08.940 --> 00:18:11.339 Who is that green fish woman now? 312 00:18:11.940 --> 00:18:15.599 She is also played by Gabrielle Ruez. 313 00:18:15.660 --> 00:18:18.299 You can ruers because you can hear that in her voice. 314 00:18:18.359 --> 00:18:20.940 And she is something. 315 00:18:21.000 --> 00:18:24.599 She's credited as Ariolo Federation scientist. 316 00:18:25.019 --> 00:18:27.539 What happens to these figures on the screen? 317 00:18:27.599 --> 00:18:33.960 So the guy is holding a cactus and then he ends up with a head as a cactus and the cactus is like some goo. 318 00:18:33.960 --> 00:18:36.720 And then someone later on says, but we, what happens to us? 319 00:18:36.839 --> 00:18:38.759 We don't want our heads to turn into characters. 320 00:18:38.819 --> 00:18:41.819 This with the 3 characters on the screen, right? 321 00:18:41.880 --> 00:18:43.380 all on the screen together. 322 00:18:43.440 --> 00:18:48.539 It's exactly how it's shot in what you leave behind with Marto, the Admiral and Cisco. 323 00:18:48.599 --> 00:18:48.779 Yeah. 324 00:18:49.140 --> 00:18:51.059 Exactly the same. 325 00:18:51.119 --> 00:18:53.099 Oh wonderful. 326 00:18:53.160 --> 00:18:58.799 Oh, actually, the one person I didn't feel got much too much to do was the fella behind with the moustache. 327 00:18:58.859 --> 00:19:02.220 He was the only character I thought was... 328 00:19:02.220 --> 00:19:03.420 Oh, no, Billips or Shacks. 329 00:19:03.539 --> 00:19:04.079 Phillips. 330 00:19:04.140 --> 00:19:04.680 Phillips. 331 00:19:04.680 --> 00:19:06.059 It was just a little bit of... 332 00:19:06.059 --> 00:19:06.660 But you know what? 333 00:19:06.720 --> 00:19:07.619 had 30 minutes. 334 00:19:07.680 --> 00:19:08.700 I had a lot to do. 335 00:19:08.759 --> 00:19:09.779 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 336 00:19:09.839 --> 00:19:11.400 And he is a secondary character. 337 00:19:11.460 --> 00:19:14.099 He's in a little bit, but he's not sort of a primary character. 338 00:19:14.640 --> 00:19:18.119 Could or not fishwoman have just said, it's a trap. 339 00:19:18.240 --> 00:19:19.140 Just once. 340 00:19:21.779 --> 00:19:31.259 And it, you know, like they're annoyed at Boimler because William Boimler, from the transporter accident, from the 2nd Chances Transporter accident. 341 00:19:31.319 --> 00:19:32.279 Oh, just series three. 342 00:19:32.339 --> 00:19:33.059 I don't even know. 343 00:19:33.119 --> 00:19:38.579 Um, uh, you know, sent the the thing to their reality. 344 00:19:39.000 --> 00:19:46.619 And he says at the end of the episode, I know that Boimler is going to be able to handle it. and they get there. 345 00:19:46.680 --> 00:19:47.339 Do you know what I mean? 346 00:19:47.400 --> 00:19:49.799 Yes, of course, we were going to be able to handle it and they were. 347 00:19:50.400 --> 00:19:52.799 With a few bumps along the way. 348 00:19:52.920 --> 00:19:55.319 Yeah, yeah, of course. cartoon and it's an episode. 349 00:19:55.380 --> 00:19:56.940 I love this woman, though. 350 00:19:57.000 --> 00:19:58.680 Ollie is really great, isn't she? 351 00:19:58.740 --> 00:20:00.119 She was really good in that episode. 352 00:20:00.180 --> 00:20:05.339 So that was the episode you mentioned where it's like the spheres versus the cubes or whatever. 353 00:20:05.400 --> 00:20:07.920 The special effects in that episode were great. 354 00:20:07.920 --> 00:20:09.660 When they were at war with EJ. 355 00:20:09.720 --> 00:20:11.279 And how has that never happened? 356 00:20:11.339 --> 00:20:15.059 The Spheres versus the Cubes is such genius and such a great idea. 357 00:20:15.180 --> 00:20:19.680 It was like on crosses board, declaring war on each other. 358 00:20:19.740 --> 00:20:20.940 It was wonderful. 359 00:20:21.539 --> 00:20:27.240 Do you know, oh my god, why do I keep forgetting Dawn Lewis's character's name? 360 00:20:27.299 --> 00:20:28.079 Yeah, Carol. 361 00:20:28.200 --> 00:20:29.759 Carol Freeman. 362 00:20:29.819 --> 00:20:31.619 Mark was watching this with me, right? 363 00:20:31.680 --> 00:20:34.380 And because it's clearly a woman of colour playing. 364 00:20:34.440 --> 00:20:36.000 He was like, oh, she's fabulous. 365 00:20:36.059 --> 00:20:40.980 Mark just kept going, mm-hmm, and clicking his fingers. every time she talked. 366 00:20:41.160 --> 00:20:43.859 Oh, live in the cliches. 367 00:20:43.920 --> 00:20:45.660 Oh, do you know he does? 368 00:20:45.720 --> 00:20:47.160 He's got his chest all on show. 369 00:20:47.519 --> 00:20:49.319 I can't look away. 370 00:20:51.779 --> 00:20:54.720 You like shacks at the end of the world. 371 00:20:54.779 --> 00:20:58.319 She's told me I'm not allowed you're not allowed to detonate the warp core. 372 00:20:58.440 --> 00:21:00.539 Unless you... 373 00:21:00.539 --> 00:21:01.440 Unless you deserve it. 374 00:21:04.440 --> 00:21:07.079 Oh, he's a psychopath. 375 00:21:07.140 --> 00:21:09.059 I also love Malor. 376 00:21:09.119 --> 00:21:10.799 He wants to go and eat. 377 00:21:10.799 --> 00:21:20.220 He wants to have replicators if he's can find a quarters because all of our Klingon snacks are made of bugs and they have salty and sweet. 378 00:21:21.359 --> 00:21:23.759 I love salty and sweet. 379 00:21:24.660 --> 00:21:27.240 I'm assuming you're a real girl. 380 00:21:27.299 --> 00:21:28.019 What gave it away? 381 00:21:31.319 --> 00:21:35.160 Oh, look at them all there and on the bridge together. 382 00:21:35.220 --> 00:21:37.079 They're such a great crew, aren't they? 383 00:21:37.140 --> 00:21:38.579 so good. 384 00:21:38.640 --> 00:21:42.779 It's so unusual to have a Star Trek show where you don't hate one of the characters. 385 00:21:42.839 --> 00:21:43.920 Like every other show. 386 00:21:43.980 --> 00:21:45.660 There's someone... 387 00:21:45.720 --> 00:21:46.859 Who do I hate? 388 00:21:46.920 --> 00:21:48.900 Oh, you hate the worst, Robert. 389 00:21:48.960 --> 00:21:50.160 Yeah, that's true. 390 00:21:50.220 --> 00:21:51.180 I hate the worst, Robert. 391 00:21:51.240 --> 00:21:53.220 Sometimes you hate the medium, Robert. 392 00:21:53.279 --> 00:21:54.839 Yeah, that's true. 393 00:21:54.900 --> 00:21:57.240 But maybe it's Voyager that I just hate people. 394 00:21:57.299 --> 00:21:58.500 I don't hate anyone. 395 00:21:58.559 --> 00:22:00.420 We mostly hate Captain Archer, you know. 396 00:22:00.480 --> 00:22:01.259 Yeah. 397 00:22:01.319 --> 00:22:04.619 I don't hate anyone on DS9 or on TNG. 398 00:22:04.680 --> 00:22:05.220 I think. 399 00:22:05.460 --> 00:22:08.220 No, actually, that's a good point. 400 00:22:08.279 --> 00:22:12.119 Yeah, but it's very unusual to love and like from all this much. 401 00:22:12.180 --> 00:22:15.960 I don't know that there's anyone as much. 402 00:22:16.380 --> 00:22:21.779 Anyone on any Star Trek crew in any Star Trek crew that I love as much as I love Tandy and Rutherford. 403 00:22:22.200 --> 00:22:24.240 Oh, really? 404 00:22:24.299 --> 00:22:30.000 I mean, I love Boimer and Mariner, obviously they're wonderful. 405 00:22:30.059 --> 00:22:32.400 But God, I love Tandy and Rutland. 406 00:22:32.460 --> 00:22:34.019 Mariner should be annoying. 407 00:22:34.079 --> 00:22:36.059 But if no, she's wonderful. 408 00:22:36.119 --> 00:22:36.960 She's so good. 409 00:22:36.960 --> 00:22:38.700 A little trick, they pulled off with that. 410 00:22:39.299 --> 00:22:42.000 Oh, God, this fella from Darmok. 411 00:22:43.740 --> 00:22:45.539 Geishan. 412 00:22:45.960 --> 00:22:50.220 Every shitty metaphor he said, I was laughing my head off. 413 00:22:50.279 --> 00:22:51.420 So great. 414 00:22:51.480 --> 00:22:52.319 So good. 415 00:22:54.299 --> 00:22:57.180 Take on their silent beckons. 416 00:22:57.779 --> 00:23:00.119 No, she's throwing a thing. 417 00:23:00.180 --> 00:23:00.960 We cut back to her. 418 00:23:01.019 --> 00:23:01.920 She's throwing something. 419 00:23:03.420 --> 00:23:05.160 Oh shit. 420 00:23:05.220 --> 00:23:06.720 Don't care angry. 421 00:23:06.779 --> 00:23:07.799 No, no. 422 00:23:10.980 --> 00:23:14.160 And so... 423 00:23:14.220 --> 00:23:15.299 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 424 00:23:15.359 --> 00:23:17.220 These are proper action things. 425 00:23:17.279 --> 00:23:18.660 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right. 426 00:23:18.720 --> 00:23:25.619 And they're exactly the sort of action sequences they would do on a live action show because they're all cartoons as well. 427 00:23:25.680 --> 00:23:27.240 No, no, no, they're better. 428 00:23:27.299 --> 00:23:30.720 I've seen worse action scenes in the live action tricks. 429 00:23:30.779 --> 00:23:31.920 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. 430 00:23:31.980 --> 00:23:33.660 But you know, this is what it looks like now. 431 00:23:33.720 --> 00:23:36.539 And so, you know, it's exactly the same technology. 432 00:23:37.200 --> 00:23:45.900 I mean, as well, like, you know, they've had 5 seasons to perfect the animation and the fluidity of it and all of that. 433 00:23:45.960 --> 00:23:49.740 But boy, they took it to new heights here. 434 00:23:52.859 --> 00:23:56.460 We're approaching the Schrodinger field. 435 00:23:56.519 --> 00:23:57.000 Yes. 436 00:23:57.059 --> 00:23:58.140 Yeah. 437 00:23:58.200 --> 00:24:01.559 Well, because it's different, you know, quantum superpositions. 438 00:24:01.619 --> 00:24:05.220 You know, me and the cats alive and not alive at the same time until you take a look at it. 439 00:24:05.279 --> 00:24:10.559 You know, I was thinking of you, you know, when they went into the show. 440 00:24:10.680 --> 00:24:15.059 And they kept showing you all the cross-section technical designs of all the shit. 441 00:24:15.359 --> 00:24:17.759 I bet he knows what all of them are. 442 00:24:17.819 --> 00:24:25.079 But I died, but it is absolutely kind of like there are Star Trek word nerds watching this and we had better do that. 443 00:24:25.140 --> 00:24:27.119 Just this one last time. 444 00:24:27.660 --> 00:24:29.640 This race for weird. 445 00:24:32.700 --> 00:24:36.480 I mean, I should say that in every Star Trek episode ever, right? 446 00:24:36.599 --> 00:24:38.460 What's that? 447 00:24:38.519 --> 00:24:42.240 So we have only, it's the, what is it? 448 00:24:42.359 --> 00:24:43.200 A freedom class? 449 00:24:43.259 --> 00:24:48.539 Um, because chips only have even numbered even numbers of Nasselles. 450 00:24:48.660 --> 00:24:51.420 Don't have time to nerd out, Lieutenant. 451 00:24:51.839 --> 00:24:54.240 We don't have time to know it out. 452 00:24:54.299 --> 00:24:54.839 It's wonderful. 453 00:24:54.900 --> 00:24:55.500 So good. 454 00:24:55.559 --> 00:24:58.140 We get to see some beautiful ships too in this sequence. 455 00:24:58.200 --> 00:25:00.539 So as we go closer to the rift. 456 00:25:00.599 --> 00:25:03.839 The ships keep hitting these soliton waves and changing into other things. 457 00:25:03.900 --> 00:25:07.440 The Klingon turns into a barge of the dead, doesn't it? 458 00:25:07.500 --> 00:25:09.240 Yeah, and everyone dies, all hands lost. 459 00:25:10.319 --> 00:25:13.319 Oh, well, nobody will warn them. 460 00:25:13.380 --> 00:25:16.019 And now these ships made of wood. 461 00:25:16.079 --> 00:25:20.099 So there's wood in the corridors and the exterior has wood. 462 00:25:20.160 --> 00:25:21.119 Now it's gold. 463 00:25:21.180 --> 00:25:22.740 Like it keeps changing. 464 00:25:22.799 --> 00:25:35.759 What we needed to see in this last episode was that this crew had gailed in such a way that there's an impossible problem to solve and you just see everybody's strength and they absolutely do that, don't they? 465 00:25:35.819 --> 00:25:40.500 But they also have the little character thing like Rutherford's little plot and stuff like that. 466 00:25:40.559 --> 00:25:43.619 Oh, he's the huge... 467 00:25:43.680 --> 00:25:44.940 He's the best dead. 468 00:25:45.059 --> 00:25:45.720 Look at that. 469 00:25:45.779 --> 00:25:49.799 And they've done the electric, the lightning, just like the episode, isn't it? 470 00:25:50.400 --> 00:25:50.880 Yeah, yeah. 471 00:25:52.980 --> 00:25:55.440 I could really use a shield update, Mr. Phillips. 472 00:25:55.500 --> 00:26:01.500 The brilliant thing is that the reason they give in universe for the, um, and I can't think who says it. 473 00:26:01.559 --> 00:26:04.680 Um, it might be, no, it's not me, Lamo. 474 00:26:04.740 --> 00:26:08.519 It says, oh, they don't change their ships that often. 475 00:26:08.880 --> 00:26:15.240 You know, they just always want them to look like big stupid birds, which I thought was a pretty great line. 476 00:26:15.299 --> 00:26:17.039 So, are these still fighting? 477 00:26:17.099 --> 00:26:17.880 I love that, don't you? 478 00:26:17.940 --> 00:26:18.599 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 479 00:26:18.660 --> 00:26:19.140 I do too. 480 00:26:19.200 --> 00:26:27.599 So these 2 are having a bit of a fight and to Lynn's being normal intendees being kind of, you know, ludicrously over the top just like last week. 481 00:26:27.779 --> 00:26:32.940 And it looks like they're going to break up and he's Rutherford and he hates the ship. 482 00:26:33.000 --> 00:26:39.900 And so they're at the kind of depths of their kind of of their plots at the sort of worst point of their plots before it all turns around. 483 00:26:40.079 --> 00:26:43.019 Oh, look how sad it looks. 484 00:26:43.079 --> 00:26:45.720 Maybe this is just a rough patch between you and the story time. 485 00:26:45.779 --> 00:26:46.440 That's right. 486 00:26:46.500 --> 00:26:47.460 But it isn't getting better. 487 00:26:47.579 --> 00:26:53.279 It's such a punch the air moment when he goes, I love the Cerritos again. 488 00:26:53.339 --> 00:26:57.359 Why is Poimla... hosing down the dolphins. 489 00:26:57.420 --> 00:26:59.339 Yeah, he's a kink. 490 00:26:59.640 --> 00:27:01.259 That's it. 491 00:27:01.319 --> 00:27:05.519 Notice that the dolphins think that my heart is hot. 492 00:27:05.579 --> 00:27:07.680 Like they actually say, oh, he's hot. 493 00:27:07.799 --> 00:27:10.859 You and the dolphins have something in common, man. 494 00:27:10.859 --> 00:27:12.059 Malore a bit better. 495 00:27:12.119 --> 00:27:13.200 He's a bit chunkier. 496 00:27:14.880 --> 00:27:18.720 Do you know which bit made me actually moved me the most? 497 00:27:18.779 --> 00:27:21.480 Strangely, was I'll forget it later when it comes. 498 00:27:21.539 --> 00:27:26.700 It's when Dr. Tahana goes, miaow, when she gives... 499 00:27:26.759 --> 00:27:29.400 It's a proper hug. 500 00:27:29.579 --> 00:27:33.000 It doesn't sort of purr in miaow as well. 501 00:27:33.059 --> 00:27:33.660 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 502 00:27:33.720 --> 00:27:34.259 It's really cute. 503 00:27:34.319 --> 00:27:35.279 I thought that was really great. 504 00:27:35.400 --> 00:27:36.299 That Klingon... 505 00:27:36.299 --> 00:27:37.440 That Klingon... 506 00:27:37.500 --> 00:27:38.640 I know. 507 00:27:38.640 --> 00:27:42.779 And now it is... 508 00:27:42.839 --> 00:27:44.220 Oh, it's a is it a Terran ship? 509 00:27:44.279 --> 00:27:46.859 Yeah, yeah, it's a Terran Empire ship. 510 00:27:46.920 --> 00:27:48.420 By the prophets. 511 00:27:48.480 --> 00:27:49.500 The weapons are amazing. 512 00:27:49.619 --> 00:27:50.880 But they don't work. 513 00:27:50.940 --> 00:27:52.200 Immediately, weapons offline. 514 00:27:52.259 --> 00:27:54.000 There you go. 515 00:27:54.000 --> 00:27:56.460 It's so mean. 516 00:27:56.519 --> 00:28:00.299 I wanted to blow some shit up. 517 00:28:03.359 --> 00:28:05.819 Oh, do you know what? 518 00:28:05.880 --> 00:28:08.339 All these characters went, none of this should have worked, should it? 519 00:28:08.460 --> 00:28:10.259 For God's sakes, it's so gross. 520 00:28:10.319 --> 00:28:11.759 It's really good, isn't it? 521 00:28:11.819 --> 00:28:19.740 I mean, the Klingon characters who are very minor roles, you know, they're in like 3 episodes, I think, and we really care about them as well. 522 00:28:19.920 --> 00:28:26.220 Although the best jokes about Shacks is where he died and came back and we never found that why. 523 00:28:26.819 --> 00:28:27.960 You can't even say. 524 00:28:28.440 --> 00:28:33.660 Oh, no, it's to Anna who says that they always want their ships to look like big stupid birds. 525 00:28:33.720 --> 00:28:35.460 She just said it then, bless her. 526 00:28:37.619 --> 00:28:39.839 There we go, but... 527 00:28:39.839 --> 00:28:42.960 The purple boy. 528 00:28:43.019 --> 00:28:44.579 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. 529 00:28:44.640 --> 00:28:45.119 Yeah. 530 00:28:45.240 --> 00:28:48.180 This purple boy has proof the mariner light. 531 00:28:48.240 --> 00:28:51.299 Oh, this was gorgeous where she just says to her daughter, no. 532 00:28:51.359 --> 00:28:52.200 I trust you. 533 00:28:52.259 --> 00:28:53.880 But that was the thing earlier on, too. 534 00:28:53.940 --> 00:29:01.920 Like they expected that they would have to try and convince Freeman that the thing was real and she just believes them immediately. 535 00:29:01.980 --> 00:29:05.160 But that's not where they were in series one, is it? 536 00:29:05.220 --> 00:29:06.420 come so far together. 537 00:29:06.539 --> 00:29:08.400 But also the bit like... 538 00:29:08.400 --> 00:29:12.180 Yeah, I know he broke the pen. need a patch. 539 00:29:18.000 --> 00:29:21.960 I mean, that is one of the best things about Star Trek, isn't it? 540 00:29:22.019 --> 00:29:23.160 the friendships between the characters. 541 00:29:23.220 --> 00:29:30.299 Yeah, yeah, but like ransom prevents Maha from hitting a Mariner and he goes, oh, how are you so strong? 542 00:29:30.359 --> 00:29:32.160 And he says high-ensity, high intensity. 543 00:29:32.220 --> 00:29:36.119 High intensity, the infiltrating or something, which is so hilarious. 544 00:29:36.180 --> 00:29:42.059 But again, you know, mariner, a ransom steps in to save mariner, and they've had a very kind of fractious relationship. 545 00:29:44.160 --> 00:29:46.680 Oh, this is where we learn, isn't it? 546 00:29:46.740 --> 00:29:49.740 It's real girl, pretending to be the athlete. 547 00:29:49.799 --> 00:29:51.240 Yeah, that's right. 548 00:29:51.299 --> 00:29:52.500 There she is. 549 00:29:54.180 --> 00:29:56.640 That is so dishonourable. 550 00:29:56.700 --> 00:29:57.779 She sent the message. 551 00:29:57.839 --> 00:30:00.359 That's Baron saying that it's so funny. 552 00:30:03.420 --> 00:30:07.680 I can't believe we've got Terran weapons and no way to use them. 553 00:30:07.740 --> 00:30:10.619 And so I can't remember what the trick is. 554 00:30:11.339 --> 00:30:13.200 What's the trick? 555 00:30:13.319 --> 00:30:14.700 Oh, of course. 556 00:30:14.759 --> 00:30:15.480 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 557 00:30:15.539 --> 00:30:18.180 So they get Ollie on top of the ship because she's a goal. 558 00:30:18.299 --> 00:30:21.839 Do you wish they didn't bleep out Dr. Tahana's fucks? 559 00:30:21.900 --> 00:30:24.180 They are so great. 560 00:30:24.900 --> 00:30:25.799 Every time she does it. 561 00:30:25.859 --> 00:30:34.140 It is hard to tell because I do like swearing on Star Trek, as you know. and I don't know whether the beeping is funnier or not. 562 00:30:34.200 --> 00:30:35.160 I can't tell. 563 00:30:35.220 --> 00:30:36.180 I'm not sure. 564 00:30:38.700 --> 00:30:41.640 Oh, yep, here we go. 565 00:30:41.759 --> 00:30:46.019 So, here we are on the outside of the ship, in the spacesuits. 566 00:30:46.079 --> 00:30:47.220 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 567 00:30:47.279 --> 00:30:51.240 But Ollie, there she is using her magical powers, her divine powers. 568 00:30:51.299 --> 00:30:58.680 Enterprise did a whole episode with in lower decks, it's 2.5 seconds on the exterior of the ship. 569 00:30:58.740 --> 00:30:59.640 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 570 00:30:59.700 --> 00:31:06.180 But the, and like we rolled to mourns for Adonis the other day and ended up watching the empath instead. 571 00:31:06.359 --> 00:31:10.799 And who mourns for adonise is very similar to the empathy in that it's just a big god. 572 00:31:10.859 --> 00:31:19.140 It's Apollo, who presumably is Ollie's uncle. just torturing people until it's time to go home, you know, crap joke and then out. 573 00:31:19.259 --> 00:31:21.480 Oh, yeah, we go. 574 00:31:21.480 --> 00:31:24.900 They're turning into the proto Klingons from Genesis. 575 00:31:24.960 --> 00:31:26.400 We even see the... 576 00:31:26.400 --> 00:31:29.640 Yeah, look, look, exactly like it. 577 00:31:29.700 --> 00:31:30.539 It's so great. 578 00:31:30.599 --> 00:31:31.319 It's so good. 579 00:31:32.039 --> 00:31:34.799 Is that Mr. Wolf, I see there? 580 00:31:35.460 --> 00:31:37.559 So they're dead now. 581 00:31:38.039 --> 00:31:41.819 Oh, look at it. bloody great explosion as well. 582 00:31:41.880 --> 00:31:43.980 I'm sure Mr. Shacks will be very happy. 583 00:31:44.039 --> 00:31:45.059 Yeah. 584 00:31:45.119 --> 00:31:47.339 And the explosion is still hand-drawn. 585 00:31:47.400 --> 00:31:49.619 It's not that, or, you know, it looks hand-drawn. 586 00:31:49.680 --> 00:31:54.180 Like they don't try and make it look like there we go. the crazy colours. 587 00:31:54.240 --> 00:31:56.339 Yeah, yeah, it looks amazing. 588 00:31:56.400 --> 00:31:56.940 Where are we? 589 00:31:57.000 --> 00:32:01.799 I mean, we were happy when they exchanged black for white in this animated series. 590 00:32:01.859 --> 00:32:03.599 So it's sovereign class. 591 00:32:03.660 --> 00:32:11.039 So the same as the Enterprise E. Yeah, so from, uh, you know, whatever. 592 00:32:11.160 --> 00:32:15.059 We have come a long away from the animated series nation, haven't we? 593 00:32:15.119 --> 00:32:16.559 Yeah, I certainly have. 594 00:32:16.859 --> 00:32:18.779 Oh my god, look. 595 00:32:18.839 --> 00:32:20.339 It's constantly transforming now. 596 00:32:20.400 --> 00:32:21.720 Yeah, it's wonderful. 597 00:32:21.839 --> 00:32:22.500 Galaxy class. 598 00:32:22.559 --> 00:32:23.700 Oh, my God. 599 00:32:23.700 --> 00:32:25.079 Silicon Avatar. 600 00:32:25.140 --> 00:32:25.680 What was that? 601 00:32:25.740 --> 00:32:26.579 It does, doesn't it? 602 00:32:26.700 --> 00:32:28.440 Oh, they're whatever. 603 00:32:28.500 --> 00:32:30.900 They're quantum superposition stage. 604 00:32:30.900 --> 00:32:31.559 It's still appropriate. 605 00:32:31.619 --> 00:32:37.619 This show wishes a love letter tonight is trek that the big threat is a big wibbly anomaly. 606 00:32:37.680 --> 00:32:39.480 Yeah, yeah, yeah, it does get appropriate. 607 00:32:39.539 --> 00:32:43.079 Like the finale of Star Trek the Next Generation. 608 00:32:43.200 --> 00:32:44.940 That's right. 609 00:32:45.359 --> 00:32:54.539 They make some comment later on about how, you know, we love the Cerritos, even though engineering is like completely separate from the rest of the ship. 610 00:32:54.599 --> 00:32:57.480 You know, like there's nothing joining it to the rest of the ship. 611 00:32:57.960 --> 00:33:00.119 So he turns... 612 00:33:00.180 --> 00:33:01.500 Oh, he tears his implant off. 613 00:33:01.559 --> 00:33:01.799 Yeah. 614 00:33:01.859 --> 00:33:03.420 Oh my god. 615 00:33:03.480 --> 00:33:06.420 He does he does the date effect now with the ice linear chips. 616 00:33:08.339 --> 00:33:09.779 Exactly right. 617 00:33:09.839 --> 00:33:13.259 I've never seen anyone engineer that fast. 618 00:33:13.799 --> 00:33:16.559 Robert Foot. 619 00:33:16.559 --> 00:33:17.160 Yeah. 620 00:33:17.220 --> 00:33:18.299 It's so great. 621 00:33:18.420 --> 00:33:20.759 And now these 2 are going to be friends again. 622 00:33:20.819 --> 00:33:22.319 What the hell does that mean? 623 00:33:22.380 --> 00:33:25.440 We are being fuelled by interdimensionality itself. 624 00:33:25.500 --> 00:33:30.779 Yes, it's an awesome one. terrific. 625 00:33:30.839 --> 00:33:32.099 So great. 626 00:33:32.160 --> 00:33:36.119 I think Dr. Tahana may have just done a little poo there. 627 00:33:36.180 --> 00:33:37.259 She looks so scared. 628 00:33:40.500 --> 00:33:43.200 Get that cat, I'll let her try. 629 00:33:43.259 --> 00:33:45.660 It's yeah, that's right. 630 00:33:46.440 --> 00:33:49.440 Now look at they're all working together. 631 00:33:49.500 --> 00:33:51.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 632 00:33:51.000 --> 00:33:52.500 And it's a proper Star Trek thing. 633 00:33:52.559 --> 00:33:55.559 We get sparks coming out of the consoles, no rocks, though. 634 00:33:56.160 --> 00:33:59.940 Oh, it's the sexiest anomaly we've ever seen. 635 00:33:59.940 --> 00:34:01.500 It's my favourite bit. 636 00:34:01.559 --> 00:34:02.700 Yes, it is. 637 00:34:02.759 --> 00:34:03.480 Here it is. 638 00:34:03.599 --> 00:34:05.039 Just each other. 639 00:34:05.099 --> 00:34:06.180 Best thing. 640 00:34:06.180 --> 00:34:13.440 I just done live, Marty Morphin, fucking... 641 00:34:13.440 --> 00:34:14.940 That's excellent. 642 00:34:15.000 --> 00:34:16.559 Oh, now we're back together. 643 00:34:16.619 --> 00:34:19.500 Oh, so funny. 644 00:34:20.340 --> 00:34:24.420 They special effects, man, in the normally. amazing. 645 00:34:24.480 --> 00:34:26.400 Oh, and here's the hot Klingon. 646 00:34:26.460 --> 00:34:30.420 He's back I mean, seriously, go back and watch the Silicon Avatar, all right? 647 00:34:31.260 --> 00:34:33.300 It doesn't look like this. 648 00:34:33.300 --> 00:34:34.079 We moved on. 649 00:34:34.559 --> 00:34:43.440 We've got a glueonic beam. are a real thing, I think, but I don't know anything about particle physics, so I can't tell you what they are. 650 00:34:43.500 --> 00:34:46.679 Shacks are so excited every time the weapons change. 651 00:34:46.739 --> 00:34:48.059 You get to fire a new weapon. 652 00:34:48.119 --> 00:34:49.260 Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. 653 00:34:49.320 --> 00:34:51.780 And so this solution is really great. 654 00:34:51.840 --> 00:35:08.519 It's super interesting and it does change the Star Trek universe, I think, that after this time there is an open portal that is playing the role of the wormhole in Deep Space 9, but instead of going into the Gamma Quadrant, it goes into different realities. 655 00:35:08.579 --> 00:35:12.539 And you kind of think I would watch the shit out of that version of Star Trek. 656 00:35:12.599 --> 00:35:18.239 You've got a show there, custom made, so you can test your actors every week to play a new version of themselves. 657 00:35:18.300 --> 00:35:18.960 Exactly. 658 00:35:19.019 --> 00:35:21.539 Exactly, like sliders or whatever. 659 00:35:21.599 --> 00:35:22.260 Only good. 660 00:35:23.519 --> 00:35:25.320 Terrible show. 661 00:35:28.380 --> 00:35:30.900 And this is like, well, Jeffrey Davis. 662 00:35:30.960 --> 00:35:32.099 Yeah, maybe. 663 00:35:32.159 --> 00:35:34.559 That looks great, doesn't it? 664 00:35:34.679 --> 00:35:36.480 Yeah, permanently. 665 00:35:36.539 --> 00:35:39.239 I mean, it is it is great effect. 666 00:35:39.300 --> 00:35:41.519 I think I prefer the wormhole, though, you know. 667 00:35:41.579 --> 00:35:44.699 Yeah, yeah, but you can't do the wormhole again, I think. 668 00:35:44.760 --> 00:35:46.139 Yeah. 669 00:35:46.199 --> 00:35:46.739 Yeah, yeah. 670 00:35:46.800 --> 00:35:50.639 I think it looks, like it looks like nothing else that we've ever seen. and that's. 671 00:35:50.699 --> 00:35:51.659 So is your favourite thing, look? 672 00:35:51.659 --> 00:35:56.099 Like, well, big space problem and they've solved it all by being competent space people. 673 00:35:56.219 --> 00:35:57.000 Yeah, yeah, exactly. 674 00:35:57.059 --> 00:35:59.579 It's just Star Trek, being as Star Trek as possible. 675 00:35:59.639 --> 00:36:07.860 Now we go to black, and now here we are, and this is the, we get the, you know, we're going to get a log, Boemless log, and this is the end. 676 00:36:07.920 --> 00:36:09.059 So this is the coder. 677 00:36:09.119 --> 00:36:10.559 We finished the episode just then. 678 00:36:10.619 --> 00:36:11.639 Now here's the coder. 679 00:36:11.699 --> 00:36:13.980 I tell you why this is so great. 680 00:36:14.039 --> 00:36:19.199 It's because I can't think of a better way to end the show. than what they put on. 681 00:36:19.320 --> 00:36:23.880 You know, like when we talked about Endgame, I thought of many ways, they could have ended that in a better way. 682 00:36:23.940 --> 00:36:25.260 Oh yeah, for sure. 683 00:36:25.320 --> 00:36:26.639 But I just, I don't know. 684 00:36:26.699 --> 00:36:28.800 They're all such lovely characters. 685 00:36:28.860 --> 00:36:30.000 You kind of, you don't want to lose anyway. 686 00:36:30.059 --> 00:36:30.960 You're want to kill anyone off. 687 00:36:31.019 --> 00:36:32.820 You know, you don't want anyone to be unhappy. 688 00:36:33.360 --> 00:36:37.860 I think I think they just gauge the sentiment just right. 689 00:36:37.920 --> 00:36:45.780 But what they do is they leave us with a spinoff idea that's like deep space 9 and there's the Defiant. 690 00:36:46.019 --> 00:36:50.099 There's Garak and Bashir giving each other moon eyes. 691 00:36:50.639 --> 00:36:58.619 And so we've got a DS9 spinoff, and then we have like a Star Trek, the Next Generation style spinoff where we're on a ship. 692 00:36:58.679 --> 00:37:00.119 And so... 693 00:37:00.119 --> 00:37:04.079 I hope my Rivera was watching this, you know, and just all those two. 694 00:37:04.079 --> 00:37:05.099 Yeah. 695 00:37:05.159 --> 00:37:06.000 There it is. 696 00:37:06.059 --> 00:37:06.659 Yeah. 697 00:37:06.719 --> 00:37:13.800 But so it leaves us with the real impression that the franchise continues. 698 00:37:13.860 --> 00:37:14.760 Do you know what I mean? 699 00:37:14.820 --> 00:37:16.739 There are 2 TV premises that continue. 700 00:37:16.800 --> 00:37:31.559 The franchise, the world of Star Trek is made up of TV shows, and we get 2 unseen TV shows that start, you know, at this point, uh, and we can imagine them going into the future, even though maybe we won't ever get to see them. 701 00:37:31.559 --> 00:37:38.099 Oh, this, holy crap, the 2 of them, you know, it's time for her to go. 702 00:37:38.159 --> 00:37:38.699 It's okay. 703 00:37:38.760 --> 00:37:40.079 Mariner doesn't need her anymore. 704 00:37:40.139 --> 00:37:42.000 It's lovely. 705 00:37:42.059 --> 00:37:45.840 Both of those TV shows would have been great. absolutely awesome. 706 00:37:45.900 --> 00:37:47.340 It's these characters. 707 00:37:47.400 --> 00:37:48.480 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 708 00:37:48.539 --> 00:37:49.679 Yeah. 709 00:37:49.739 --> 00:37:52.380 But this version of Star Trek as well is just wonderful. 710 00:37:52.800 --> 00:37:56.699 Oh, I know, but you know you know the characters am I in? 711 00:37:56.760 --> 00:37:57.780 with Starshare. 712 00:37:57.840 --> 00:37:58.559 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 713 00:37:58.800 --> 00:37:59.219 Yep. 714 00:37:59.280 --> 00:38:02.639 And I pretty much would go on and watch these people doing anything. 715 00:38:02.699 --> 00:38:04.860 Sure, for sure. 716 00:38:04.920 --> 00:38:06.780 I love Cassio. 717 00:38:07.139 --> 00:38:09.599 Can they do the same trick twice? 718 00:38:09.659 --> 00:38:11.340 Can we have another live action? 719 00:38:11.880 --> 00:38:15.119 appearance by lower decks characters, please? 720 00:38:15.179 --> 00:38:16.800 We never be great. 721 00:38:16.800 --> 00:38:22.019 Put rubber food in the academy or something like that, you know? 722 00:38:22.079 --> 00:38:23.820 As a teacher. 723 00:38:23.940 --> 00:38:25.260 Or to Lynn. 724 00:38:25.380 --> 00:38:27.360 Oh, she's so great. 725 00:38:27.420 --> 00:38:28.860 They'd have to travel into the future. 726 00:38:28.920 --> 00:38:35.639 You know, there is talk about a sitcom, like a comedy a live action comedy Star Trek, which I think would work. 727 00:38:35.699 --> 00:38:38.579 Oh, this, now that he's organic. 728 00:38:38.639 --> 00:38:40.860 He's like just clearly in love with Tandy. 729 00:38:40.980 --> 00:38:50.099 And there's a motor where Talin says something really funny where I was unaware of your romantic affection, and then they deny it, and it's very clearly there. 730 00:38:50.099 --> 00:38:57.119 And like they're all over each other, and this, and then Talin says clearly, I was mistaken, which is so funny. 731 00:38:57.179 --> 00:39:03.539 Like, again, it's like to Lynn Riley making a joke that no one else even notices. 732 00:39:03.599 --> 00:39:04.559 It's just excellent. 733 00:39:04.619 --> 00:39:11.760 I love the, the, uh, Mariner gets the most wonderful speech now about, you know, all working together and it's really lovely. 734 00:39:11.820 --> 00:39:14.820 And then they go, you sure you're okay because your mum's lit? 735 00:39:14.880 --> 00:39:17.099 Well, you know, I'll tore up my bed on fire. 736 00:39:17.159 --> 00:39:17.699 Yeah. 737 00:39:17.699 --> 00:39:20.940 I'm okay. 738 00:39:21.000 --> 00:39:24.300 We'll see Yeah, this is lovely, isn't it? 739 00:39:24.360 --> 00:39:26.219 I it's really great. 740 00:39:26.280 --> 00:39:28.019 Yeah, patchy. 741 00:39:28.800 --> 00:39:38.219 That stupid thing in, in, in, in, in, in a minute is those new lower decks with the sub roser candle. 742 00:39:38.280 --> 00:39:39.599 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 743 00:39:39.659 --> 00:39:41.639 They're having their own sort of seance. 744 00:39:43.559 --> 00:39:49.559 You know, the 1st episode of the new lower decks is going to be all about Ronan on the ship. 745 00:39:50.519 --> 00:39:53.820 Oh, this was that pod exploding. 746 00:39:53.880 --> 00:39:55.139 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 747 00:39:55.199 --> 00:39:56.760 Just get covering the big gloop. 748 00:39:56.820 --> 00:40:02.219 And then he just, he goes, he eats it and goes, hmm. 749 00:40:02.340 --> 00:40:04.019 Well, they are gourmets, you know. 750 00:40:04.079 --> 00:40:07.260 What was this all about with all these Albert Einsteins? 751 00:40:07.320 --> 00:40:12.179 No, these are Jerry Harden as what's his face? 752 00:40:12.239 --> 00:40:13.800 Samuel Clemens. 753 00:40:13.920 --> 00:40:14.940 Oh, Samuel Clemens. 754 00:40:15.059 --> 00:40:16.739 Yeah, yeah. a reference to a previous episode. 755 00:40:16.860 --> 00:40:17.940 Yeah, yeah. 756 00:40:18.000 --> 00:40:19.260 So they're sitting there. 757 00:40:19.320 --> 00:40:23.340 All these women sitting around the candle just lit. 758 00:40:23.400 --> 00:40:25.440 And then look at this hero here. 759 00:40:25.440 --> 00:40:27.539 Of them all from below. 760 00:40:27.599 --> 00:40:29.579 It isn't the only coming onto the bridge. 761 00:40:29.639 --> 00:40:30.420 It's the beginning. 762 00:40:30.480 --> 00:40:32.940 Well that's such a healthy way of looking at it. 763 00:40:33.000 --> 00:40:35.159 Oh, kick the computer, you know. 764 00:40:35.219 --> 00:40:36.360 It's all out my system. 765 00:40:36.420 --> 00:40:37.920 I mean, I don't know. 766 00:40:37.920 --> 00:40:39.239 Was it still burning? 767 00:40:39.300 --> 00:40:46.619 And then she says the cheekiest thing of all. tune in and find out We can't, you bitch. 768 00:40:46.679 --> 00:40:47.280 Uh-oh. 769 00:40:47.699 --> 00:40:49.320 So good. 770 00:40:49.500 --> 00:40:51.480 Oh dear. 771 00:40:51.539 --> 00:40:54.780 Never let you detonate the warp core. 772 00:40:54.840 --> 00:40:55.260 Oh man. 773 00:40:55.320 --> 00:40:57.360 And he's instantly a dick. 774 00:40:57.420 --> 00:41:03.599 I mean, he's more likeable and he supports mariner here and all the mariner conflict with ransom is kind of addressed. 775 00:41:03.659 --> 00:41:09.300 Um, and like everyone gets a sort of, what's it, Dr. Miglimo? 776 00:41:09.360 --> 00:41:10.619 Yes, it was. 777 00:41:13.019 --> 00:41:15.599 What was the viscosity? 778 00:41:16.500 --> 00:41:18.119 doesn't have anything nice to say. 779 00:41:18.179 --> 00:41:19.079 It's so perfect. 780 00:41:19.139 --> 00:41:28.380 Just the 2 perfect things for the 2 of them to say together they make a perfect senior science officer and now they're off into the distance. 781 00:41:28.440 --> 00:41:32.219 And I love how they try and prevent ransom from coming up with a catchphrase. 782 00:41:32.280 --> 00:41:33.659 I have people complaining. 783 00:41:33.719 --> 00:41:42.420 You hear people complaining about how every captain has to have a catchphrase, you know, let's fly for, um, uh, for Sanita. see what's out there. 784 00:41:42.480 --> 00:41:44.340 No, it's like engage. 785 00:41:44.400 --> 00:41:46.079 It's like the equivalent of engage, you know? 786 00:41:46.079 --> 00:41:47.460 Well, Cisco's. 787 00:41:47.519 --> 00:41:48.119 Fire. 788 00:41:48.119 --> 00:41:53.940 No, no, in 90s trek in 90s trek. not 90s track in this version of track in Kurtzman track. 789 00:41:54.000 --> 00:42:07.920 So, um, Anson Mount has hit it, you know, um, and he's just going to be engaged the core, which they kind of say, no, no, no, maybe it could just emerge naturally during the course of our new show. 790 00:42:07.980 --> 00:42:12.659 You know, you don't have to come up with it now and they get really cross into how terrible it is. 791 00:42:13.320 --> 00:42:17.579 Another way this is perfect is it leaves you wanting more. 792 00:42:17.639 --> 00:42:19.320 These too, get shot. 793 00:42:19.380 --> 00:42:24.360 The shot, the window and like, and the, oh. 794 00:42:25.260 --> 00:42:30.300 And both of the Freemans kind of toasting the Cerritos as it goes. 795 00:42:30.360 --> 00:42:32.639 You don't want to sound... 796 00:42:32.699 --> 00:42:34.199 You know what it sound forced? 797 00:42:35.340 --> 00:42:38.219 Don't make this all live, sir, please. 798 00:42:38.280 --> 00:42:40.380 What if this is a five-year mission? 799 00:42:40.440 --> 00:42:41.940 Engage the call. 800 00:42:42.000 --> 00:42:43.800 Come on, you don't want to set up that turn. 801 00:42:43.860 --> 00:42:45.659 It's great isn't it? 802 00:42:47.280 --> 00:42:49.679 Oh, terrific. 803 00:42:49.739 --> 00:42:51.599 Yeah, that was wonderful, wasn't it? 804 00:42:51.659 --> 00:42:52.500 What a run. 805 00:42:52.559 --> 00:42:53.400 What a try out. 806 00:42:53.519 --> 00:42:55.920 Oh, it really does leave you want him more, though. 807 00:42:55.980 --> 00:42:57.780 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 808 00:42:57.840 --> 00:42:59.519 Massive. and you know what? 809 00:42:59.579 --> 00:43:03.539 Like, they, I can see why they ended here. 810 00:43:03.599 --> 00:43:10.500 I absolutely can, is that they've given us what, 50 episodes in total, you know, of a really good standard. 811 00:43:11.219 --> 00:43:14.880 But they could have just kept churning them out, right? 812 00:43:15.599 --> 00:43:18.000 Well, you never know. 813 00:43:18.059 --> 00:43:30.000 I did take a look at the memory alpha page and it had Mike McMahon being interviewed and talking about spinoffs and characters that he started to introduce a little bit more like Ollie and stuff. 814 00:43:30.059 --> 00:43:36.360 And clearly, you know, it sounded like he wasn't averse to revisiting this as an idea. 815 00:43:36.420 --> 00:43:45.840 But everything ends and I'm really happy that we have this forever to kind of go back to because it's really properly grade. 816 00:43:45.900 --> 00:43:50.579 I think you should go out at your best. 817 00:43:50.639 --> 00:43:51.300 Yeah, yeah. 818 00:43:51.360 --> 00:43:53.400 And not limp to a conclusion. 819 00:43:53.460 --> 00:44:02.940 Now, I think Next Generation went out a year after it should have done, I think Voyager went out probably 2 years after it should have done. 820 00:44:03.000 --> 00:44:11.639 I think DS9 got it about right, like it went out, it went out when all of those sort of plots were culminating and in a really exciting way. 821 00:44:11.760 --> 00:44:14.099 Enterprise went out too early. 822 00:44:14.159 --> 00:44:16.980 That's probably the one that went out too early. 823 00:44:17.099 --> 00:44:22.920 Picard absolutely, I think, was at the right point and in the right way as well. 824 00:44:23.039 --> 00:44:25.019 Discovery. 825 00:44:25.019 --> 00:44:27.420 Maybe Discovery should have gone a year earlier. 826 00:44:27.539 --> 00:44:49.559 Well, I really like series 5, though, I have to say, but as I said to you, the problem with it is that they've had COVID and like the production of discovery is longer than the production of any other Star Trek series and they just start to lose people and they do get people back, but you know, Saru is marginalised by it. 827 00:44:49.619 --> 00:44:50.639 We get Tilly back. 828 00:44:50.699 --> 00:44:53.039 You know, we get a deer back properly. 829 00:44:53.099 --> 00:44:55.079 Second week 4 was such a high standard. 830 00:44:55.139 --> 00:44:59.099 But maybe you should go out at your absolute best, you know? 831 00:44:59.159 --> 00:45:03.420 But 5 was fun, and I do think 5 does the same thing. 832 00:45:03.480 --> 00:45:04.800 I think you saw it, didn't you? 833 00:45:04.860 --> 00:45:11.280 You saw the coda where she's a little bit older and, you know, she's still with Bork and stuff. 834 00:45:11.340 --> 00:45:16.079 And I, like, I thought that was pretty good and her getting to say a final goodbye to Discovery and stuff. 835 00:45:16.139 --> 00:45:18.960 So like, I don't know. 836 00:45:19.019 --> 00:45:25.860 It's probably the highest endorsement that I could give lower decks is had it gone on for a 6th or a 7th season. 837 00:45:25.980 --> 00:45:30.840 I can absolutely confirm I would be saying, absolutely go out on a high. 838 00:45:30.900 --> 00:45:31.860 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 839 00:45:31.860 --> 00:45:32.519 That's right. 840 00:45:32.579 --> 00:45:36.900 Because it just didn't go down below being on a high, you know? 841 00:45:37.019 --> 00:45:39.599 It's funny now though, isn't it? 842 00:45:39.659 --> 00:45:46.019 Because there isn't any Star Trek until, well, next month, actually, now that I think about it. 843 00:45:46.079 --> 00:46:00.900 We're getting a new series, I think, next month of Strange New Worlds, which is hugely exciting because, you know, I just think it's incredible, like a great Star Trek series. easily the most popular thing that they've done in Cosman Train. 844 00:46:00.960 --> 00:46:15.119 Yeah, and maybe the, you know, apart from this, it's definitely of the how many we've had 3 live action shows, you know, it's clearly the most consistent and successful one. 845 00:46:15.179 --> 00:46:24.420 And, you know, like next year, I think we still definitely have another Star Trek coming with Star Fleet Academy set in the 31st century. 846 00:46:24.480 --> 00:46:35.820 So there's more Star Trek coming, but there was a sort of just a glorious moment where there was just a lot of Star Trek happening and we seem to kind of be past that now, which is a bit of a shame. 847 00:46:35.880 --> 00:46:38.760 We had that period with Doctor Who, didn't we? 848 00:46:38.820 --> 00:46:43.440 When it came back in 2005 and there was 2 spinoff shows as well. 849 00:46:43.500 --> 00:46:46.260 And there was this glut of the Doctor Who universe. 850 00:46:46.380 --> 00:46:48.719 And then that sort of wound down a little bit. 851 00:46:48.780 --> 00:46:52.139 And then Star Trek came along and there was a glut of Star Trek. 852 00:46:52.139 --> 00:46:54.780 And now that started winding down a little bit again. 853 00:46:54.840 --> 00:46:56.519 Ooh, I wonder what's coming next. 854 00:47:03.179 --> 00:47:09.119 All right, it's the end of the episode and it's time for us to find out where we're going next. 855 00:47:09.179 --> 00:47:16.079 We have had 2 pretty excellent weeks of some very high quality Kurtzman tracks. 856 00:47:16.139 --> 00:47:19.019 So I suppose it's time to watch something terrible. 857 00:47:19.500 --> 00:47:27.179 Yes, I can almost guarantee that it's going to be shockingly terrible compared to what we just watched. 858 00:47:27.239 --> 00:47:31.500 We're heading to Voyager, USS Voyager. 859 00:47:31.559 --> 00:47:32.940 We do. 860 00:47:33.000 --> 00:47:34.860 I mean, I love it even when it's really bad. 861 00:47:34.920 --> 00:47:39.059 Except maybe course oblivion, which is awful. 862 00:47:39.119 --> 00:47:39.960 Oh, and threshold. 863 00:47:40.019 --> 00:47:41.460 That was unforgivable. 864 00:47:41.519 --> 00:47:42.780 Yeah, but we've done both of those. 865 00:47:42.840 --> 00:47:44.699 They can't hurt us anymore. 866 00:47:44.760 --> 00:47:54.599 I mean, we're in pretty much safe territory unless I choose a Harry Kim, a Chakotay, or Tom Paris episode, but that is half the rum. 867 00:47:56.219 --> 00:47:58.860 All right, I'm feeling brave. 868 00:47:58.920 --> 00:48:03.000 Now, come on, let's channel good vibes and see what we get. 869 00:48:03.059 --> 00:48:03.780 Okay. 870 00:48:04.260 --> 00:48:06.000 Oh shit. 871 00:48:09.059 --> 00:48:15.000 Well, no need to go any further if we're looking for a really shit episode. 872 00:48:15.059 --> 00:48:18.719 So the danger is that I'm going to insist that we do it, right? 873 00:48:18.780 --> 00:48:20.639 Is that why you said, 0 shit? 874 00:48:20.760 --> 00:48:21.539 Yes. 875 00:48:21.599 --> 00:48:27.239 No, FBI is really, truly, diabolically, okay. 876 00:48:27.300 --> 00:48:27.900 All right. 877 00:48:28.739 --> 00:48:35.940 Your random Star Trek Voyager episode is season six, episode five, Alice. 878 00:48:36.000 --> 00:48:39.300 Oh, I don't really even know this. 879 00:48:39.360 --> 00:48:41.280 I've definitely seen it. 880 00:48:41.340 --> 00:48:43.739 So how is Christine, isn't it? 881 00:48:43.800 --> 00:48:45.539 Christine, right? 882 00:48:45.659 --> 00:48:52.079 Tom Paris makes an evil spaceship with a sexy eviction who's as sexy as a wet fish. 883 00:48:52.860 --> 00:48:54.480 Brilliant. 884 00:48:54.539 --> 00:48:55.320 That sounds awesome. 885 00:48:55.440 --> 00:48:59.579 Tom, you know you love to stroke my reactors. 886 00:48:59.639 --> 00:49:01.679 You know, she says lions like that. 887 00:49:01.739 --> 00:49:03.960 And Balana gets jealous. 888 00:49:05.940 --> 00:49:08.159 Oh, come on, let's do it. 889 00:49:08.219 --> 00:49:09.659 I was like, okay, all right. 890 00:49:09.659 --> 00:49:11.880 Jesus, probably coming right. 891 00:49:11.880 --> 00:49:16.860 And he gets to do like loads of his like, you know, but I don't listen to me. 892 00:49:19.619 --> 00:49:22.199 That's my favourite thing that he does. 893 00:49:22.260 --> 00:49:28.260 And we know he's in Dire Straits by the end of the episode because he's got a bit of scruff. 894 00:49:28.320 --> 00:49:30.659 That's the only way they show it visually. 895 00:49:30.719 --> 00:49:32.760 Yeah, all right. 896 00:49:32.820 --> 00:49:34.920 Oh, is it is it feeding off his life force? 897 00:49:35.099 --> 00:49:37.019 I can't remember. 898 00:49:37.079 --> 00:49:41.280 I do remember there's a bit where he walks out of the cargo bay, right? 899 00:49:41.340 --> 00:49:42.960 It's like, well, see you in the morning, Alice. 900 00:49:43.019 --> 00:49:46.860 This is before, you know, she's materialised as his sexy vixen. 901 00:49:46.920 --> 00:49:48.300 She's so unsexy. 902 00:49:48.420 --> 00:49:49.019 Just you wait. 903 00:49:49.920 --> 00:49:54.239 And then the camera lingers back into the cargo bay. 904 00:49:54.239 --> 00:49:57.420 And you know, you're just waiting for it, like in Christine, the film. 905 00:49:57.480 --> 00:50:00.179 It all lights up. da da. 906 00:50:01.860 --> 00:50:03.000 Oh, no. 907 00:50:03.119 --> 00:50:09.900 Well, we've recently done a horror episode in season 6 of Star Trek 4, haven't we? 908 00:50:09.960 --> 00:50:10.860 The haunting of deck 12. 909 00:50:11.099 --> 00:50:13.199 Yeah, that wasn't that terrible though. 910 00:50:13.260 --> 00:50:14.639 I thought it was quite good. actually. 911 00:50:14.699 --> 00:50:20.460 I would like you to try and find the same positivity that you found for that episode for this one. 912 00:50:20.519 --> 00:50:26.219 Okay, I will do my best, but given that the worst Robert is the lead. 913 00:50:26.340 --> 00:50:28.739 I think the outcome is more or less certain. 914 00:50:28.800 --> 00:50:30.179 I think you're right. 915 00:50:38.519 --> 00:50:43.619 You've been listening to entitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford and Nathan Bottomley. 916 00:50:43.679 --> 00:50:50.460 We're online at Untitled Star Trek Project.com, where you can find subscription links and links to our social media accounts. 917 00:50:50.519 --> 00:50:56.699 Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Citron, and the theme was composed by Cameron Lamb. 918 00:50:56.760 --> 00:51:02.760 This episode was recorded on the 20th of May 2025 and released on the 23rd of May. 919 00:51:02.820 --> 00:51:06.780 We'll see you next time for Star Trek Voyager, Alice. 920 00:51:22.380 --> 00:51:24.840 Oh, man, it's ghastly. 921 00:51:25.380 --> 00:51:29.039 I can almost guarantee this one is really bad. 922 00:51:29.099 --> 00:51:29.880 Really bad. 923 00:51:29.940 --> 00:51:31.079 I'm going to. 924 00:51:31.139 --> 00:51:34.139 I just remember the woman playing Alice. 925 00:51:34.260 --> 00:51:37.139 It's really wooden. 926 00:51:37.199 --> 00:51:41.099 You need like a proper vixen in that role, you know? 927 00:51:41.219 --> 00:51:43.559 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 928 00:51:43.679 --> 00:51:44.940 Oh, excellent. 929 00:51:45.000 --> 00:51:45.360 Wait. 930 00:51:45.420 --> 00:51:46.800 So my keyboard come back. 931 00:51:46.860 --> 00:51:47.639 Memory alpha. 932 00:51:48.239 --> 00:51:49.860 Alice. 933 00:51:51.360 --> 00:51:53.579 I just want to see her. 934 00:51:53.639 --> 00:51:55.440 There'll be a picture of her, won't there? 935 00:51:55.559 --> 00:51:57.059 There should be. 936 00:51:57.179 --> 00:52:01.739 No, Alice Wicki, dedicated to American McGee. 937 00:52:01.800 --> 00:52:03.480 Yeah, she is, the worst video game series. 938 00:52:03.539 --> 00:52:04.139 Oh, wait a minute. 939 00:52:04.199 --> 00:52:04.800 There she is. 940 00:52:04.860 --> 00:52:06.119 Nathan. 941 00:52:09.179 --> 00:52:11.340 Oh no, that's terrible. 942 00:52:11.400 --> 00:52:12.539 What's happening there? 943 00:52:12.599 --> 00:52:14.519 She looks quite cross. 944 00:52:14.639 --> 00:52:22.019 Teleplay by Brian Fuller, though, co-creator of Star Trek Discovery, and directed by David Livingston. 945 00:52:22.079 --> 00:52:25.139 Everyone's go-to director for just who gives a shit. 946 00:52:25.199 --> 00:52:27.179 Let's let's get David to do it. 947 00:52:27.840 --> 00:52:29.639 Terrible. 948 00:52:29.639 --> 00:52:30.539 Oh, no, look. 949 00:52:30.599 --> 00:52:34.019 It looks like they made the Alice model look. 950 00:52:34.559 --> 00:52:35.699 Oh, can you buy it? 951 00:52:35.760 --> 00:52:36.900 So he makes it. 952 00:52:36.960 --> 00:52:42.360 I can see he's got scruff there and she's torturing him or possibly edging him. 953 00:52:42.420 --> 00:52:43.920 I can't actually tell. 954 00:52:43.980 --> 00:52:46.679 Yeah, she is all seducing him in that bit. 955 00:52:46.800 --> 00:52:47.519 Okay. 956 00:52:47.579 --> 00:52:48.599 Oh, this is a bit there. 957 00:52:48.659 --> 00:52:50.340 Look, where he's going, no. 958 00:52:50.880 --> 00:52:52.079 Let me come. 959 00:52:52.139 --> 00:52:53.760 Okay, no, sorry. 960 00:52:54.480 --> 00:53:00.659 Oh, I can't believe there's a scene where Bilana's like, you're spending too much time with that spaceship. 961 00:53:00.719 --> 00:53:01.559 Oh, God. 962 00:53:01.559 --> 00:53:03.900 Like, and she's so good. 963 00:53:03.960 --> 00:53:07.019 Why do they waste her on stupid crap like that? 964 00:53:07.079 --> 00:53:10.260 You know how much fun we have with the bad ones, though. 965 00:53:10.260 --> 00:53:11.219 Yeah. 966 00:53:11.280 --> 00:53:12.480 Especially at night is trek. 967 00:53:12.599 --> 00:53:13.320 I know, I know. 968 00:53:13.380 --> 00:53:13.920 I know. 969 00:53:13.980 --> 00:53:18.179 Yeah, we have had 2 ones after a really abysmal one. 970 00:53:18.239 --> 00:53:19.260 Yeah. 971 00:53:19.320 --> 00:53:21.840 So I'll hit right has been one bat. 972 00:53:21.840 --> 00:53:23.639 Two superb ones. 973 00:53:23.699 --> 00:53:25.139 One bad. one terrible one. 974 00:53:25.679 --> 00:53:29.460 We should try and get some of these average ones done, you know. 975 00:53:29.519 --> 00:53:31.260 That's all that's gonna be left at the end. 976 00:53:31.320 --> 00:53:31.980 I know. 977 00:53:32.039 --> 00:53:33.420 That's part of the problem, is it? 978 00:53:33.480 --> 00:53:34.739 Like we really want to do the good one. 979 00:53:34.800 --> 00:53:36.719 I think sometimes we do pick average ones. 980 00:53:36.780 --> 00:53:43.199 We have done darkling after all, the quintessentially average episode of Voyager. 981 00:53:43.440 --> 00:53:51.300 I have to rename ourselves halfway through the run of untitled mid-Star Trek or something like that mid-Star Trek Project. 982 00:53:51.360 --> 00:53:53.760 Unremarkable Star Trek Project. 983 00:53:53.820 --> 00:53:57.239 Oh, there's a few. 984 00:53:57.360 --> 00:53:58.500 All right. 985 00:53:58.619 --> 00:53:59.099 Okay. 986 00:53:59.159 --> 00:53:59.880 Alice. 987 00:53:59.880 --> 00:54:01.739 It's the thing. 988 00:54:01.800 --> 00:54:03.300 Expect messages. 989 00:54:03.840 --> 00:54:07.920 Well, I kind of I sort of want to watch it now, except I'm really tired. 990 00:54:07.980 --> 00:54:08.820 I have to go to bed. 991 00:54:08.880 --> 00:54:14.760 I remember there's a very camp man in it. called Abidon, I think. 992 00:54:14.880 --> 00:54:17.280 Yeah, Abaddon is one of the names of the devil. 993 00:54:17.340 --> 00:54:22.739 There is a character called Abaddon. is he's like the secondhand dealer or something? 994 00:54:22.800 --> 00:54:32.579 Yeah, but he's got like a shootskin coat and it's like, oh, yes, you can have this ship on me, you know, it's just trying to get rid of her. 995 00:54:32.699 --> 00:54:34.440 And then they go back to him later. 996 00:54:34.440 --> 00:54:36.239 And then she starts trying to seduce Abbott. 997 00:54:36.300 --> 00:54:37.019 Oh, just terrible. 998 00:54:37.079 --> 00:54:37.980 That sounds awful. 999 00:54:38.039 --> 00:54:38.760 Is he gay, though? 1000 00:54:38.820 --> 00:54:40.619 She can't seduce him because he's a big game. 1001 00:54:40.679 --> 00:54:49.619 It's interesting because that comes just after Ron Moore ditches Voyager. 1002 00:54:49.679 --> 00:54:59.159 So you have those 4 episodes, um, the 2nd half of Equinox, survival instinct, Bulge of the Dead, and Tinker Tenor, Doctor Spy. 1003 00:54:59.219 --> 00:55:03.960 And I can just remember this huge lift of like, oh, my god. 1004 00:55:04.019 --> 00:55:05.940 It's finally got its back together. 1005 00:55:06.119 --> 00:55:14.940 And then after Alice, it's riddles, which is the one where Chewbok loses his memory and Neelix has to teach him... 1006 00:55:15.000 --> 00:55:16.800 Oh, yeah, it is really bad. 1007 00:55:16.860 --> 00:55:20.820 Is it as bad as fucking the Changeling with Ahura? 1008 00:55:21.000 --> 00:55:22.320 No. 1009 00:55:22.380 --> 00:55:23.579 Nothing's quiet. 1010 00:55:23.639 --> 00:55:24.780 I think it's quite as bad as that. 1011 00:55:24.840 --> 00:55:25.320 Yeah. 1012 00:55:25.320 --> 00:55:25.860 Yeah.