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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So, we're back for the second week in a row.

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Yes.

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Aboard the USS Cerritos, and we are watching the series finale.

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So season 5's final episode and the final episode of the entire

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show, which is called the New Next Generation.

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It is, as we record, the 2nd most recent Star Trek thing to be

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released.

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The only thing that's been released this year. has been section

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31.

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And this episode was released on the 19th of December 2024.

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So it's not all that old.

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Now, last week, you said that in preparation for this, you would

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take the opportunity to watch all of season 5 of lower decks.

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You know how I always keep my word.

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Yeah.

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So how did you go?

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For once, I did keep my words.

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I didn't watch it in like 24 hours or something.

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It was so quick.

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Okay, so I watched the 1st one.

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Dos Sarutos.

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I was like, oh, this is so great.

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So then every single time I had like time to spare, I was watching

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another episode.

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Now, my other half works from home, so he watched a lot of these

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with me as well.

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I was sitting there on the sofa going, are you watching that

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cartoon again?

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I was like, how amazing it is.

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I've got to say, I have one issue, right, with what I did, and

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that is, it's of such a high standard, yeah, the whole season was

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such a high standard, although there were standouts.

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I thought the Klingon episode was a standout.

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I't remember what that was called now.

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Farewell to Farms.

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Thank you very much.

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The Starbase episode was amazing.

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And the episode where the 2 symbols were having a war that was

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absolutely brilliant.

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But the issue with bingeing lower decks is it kind of all blurs

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into one.

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So I was like to say like, okay, am I going to pull out certain

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episodes to talk about today when we talk about this season that

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I've watched and I couldn't remember individual episodes.

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I could just remember the year.

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So I think I prefer the way you and I do. it, which is doing an

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episode every now and again in isolation and then watching it like

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that.

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I'm not a binge. what I'm saying.

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Yeah, yeah.

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I mean, I watched this as it came out, so I watched an episode a

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week.

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And so I did get a sense of the individual episodes, I think.

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But I do think that, you know, things like Picard and Discovery

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work really well as one big extended story.

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And I think that sometimes lower deck stars as well.

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And this does have a kind of running thread.

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It's worth remembering, though, that Picard and Discovery, you

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know, could be inconsistent in quality from episode to episode.

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So it's always good to know there's another one you can watch

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straight after if you watch a really shit one.

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Whereas when you watch lower decks, it's all such a high quality

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that what I will say is, God, it was a confident year.

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It had a great running storyline that I was really invested in.

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The journey from the 1st episode to the last where you see all of

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these characters blossom. in their roles as, oh, come on

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characters by the end of the season was glorious.

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The thing that impressed me the most so was the visuals.

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Oh, my fucking God.

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There was a couple of episodes where I was staggered at the visual

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inventiveness of it.

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I mean, this episode we're talking about today.

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They saved some of the best for last.

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And a small note for the penultimate episode, which probably was

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my favourite episode.

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Ever of Lower Decks with all the 100s of Harry Kims and the evil

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lieutenant.

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The glorious Garak and Bashir romance, you know, Tapawin there

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with her sassy lines.

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Oh my god.

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I mean, that was, for God's sake.

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Appropriately, they left the last episode for this cruise and to

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showcase them out their best.

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But lower decks is a massive love letter tonight's trek.

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So that penultimate episode, basically pulling in all, yeah, for

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God's sake.

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That it was just, that was probably my favourite of the year.

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It is pretty good.

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But yeah, I mean, on the whole, though, just a brilliant, brilliant

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year of Star Trek.

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Yeah, they really went out on a high.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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It's, um, it is sad to see it go and I was misting up a little bit

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when I was watching it just before coming on the call, but it is

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really satisfying.

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And I really like how it ends.

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It does the same trick that Star Trek Discovery does, which is

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that it winds up its major plot in about the normal length of an

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episode, and then it has a coder, which kind of just talks about

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where everyone goes.

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And I guess no one did as well, wasn't it?

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Yeah, okay.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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That's right.

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And so this finishes sort of 8 minutes or something before the end

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of the episode.

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It remembers that we care about these characters.

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So it isn't just about the season plot wrapping up where are these

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characters going.

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It's what Voyager forgot in Endgame.

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When they got everybody home. and then went to the closing

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credits.

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Yeah, that's right.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah.

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No, I think it's really good. really, really enjoyed it.

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And I get what you see about it being visually inventive.

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I am going to need you to help me out with some of the stuff

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because I did watch this on 1st broadcast, but it did start in

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October last year.

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And I have watched Doceritos again.

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Oh, and we did Shades of Green, obviously, but I haven't really

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watched any of the rest, oh, and fully dilated, obviously.

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But, oh, and I watched up a Dexter.

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What am I talking about?

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I have watched...

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Yeah, yeah, that's what I think about it.

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I have actually watched most of this.

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But yeah, it is pretty great.

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I mean, it's basically there's this great wibbly electric nebula

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that is threatening all of the alpha quadrant and it's turning

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spaceship centre alternative versions of each other.

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That's all you need to know.

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And then just watch the visuals.

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Watch that fabulous Doritos suddenly have all these weapons and

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that clear...

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I mean, didn't even the Discovery Klingons turn up at one point?

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Right in the opening beard.

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And the bird of prey turns into a discovery type bird of prey.

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It turns into proto-Klingons.

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Proto Klingons.

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That's genesis, isn't it?

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That's where like mindless proto-Cleons.

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Absolutely not.

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You can do a lot of letter, anything you want, but not Genesis, all

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right.

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It's already done.

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They've done it.

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Oh, and did you notice at the end where the new lower decks people

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were all around the table with the candle from Sub Rosa?

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Yes.

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And that was lovely.

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I love that as well.

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This kind of...

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Okay, now Boimlo, Maron, and everybody, they're in important

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roles.

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Now we've got our new lower decks and it goes on and the message

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at the end was this wasn't the end of this adventure.

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This is just the start.

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But it also did the DS9 thing of moving a few, well, in this case

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it's just, oh, good grief. forgotten her name.

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Carol.

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Carol.

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Yeah, Carol, it moves Carol and her husband to Starbase 80. the

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most terrible starbase in the quadrant.

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But that was wonderful because Starbase 80 was from earlier in the

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show's run because Mariner gets sent there after she gives that

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interview and she gets in trouble and she gets sent to Starbase 80

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and it is a sort of punishment and everyone there is kind of

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awful.

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And so that episode in the middle of this season.

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Starbase 80 that rehabilitates Starbase 80 And, you know, like all

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of the things like they bring back the 2 Klingons from a farewell

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to farms.

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That was one of the best Klingon episodes I've ever seen.

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I've just got to say that.

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The way they deconstruct all the Klingon cliches.

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And just turn those 2 people into genuine fucking characters.

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Oh, it was amazing.

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It's terrific.

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And like Ollie, you know, the granddaughter of Zeus, presumably

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the niece of the Apollo that we met in who mourns for Adonise. on

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the planet Pollux 4, like all of those deep dives, but she saves

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the day as well.

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You know, she has a massive role and just like just the moments

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again with Tandy and to Lynn, who've become a brilliant double

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act.

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That was the best moment of the whole episode.

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Science bestie.

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So good.

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And they do that cartoon thing where it's... from the screen.

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So great.

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Oh, and do you know what, but it made me howl as well as when the

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woman said, um, start by saying, come and have some of our uh

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homemade decontamination chill.

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I'm like, oh, no.

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We're doing enterprise jails.

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We just got sakes.

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So great, so good.

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Oh boy.

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All right.

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What do you think?

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I think we probably should watch the thing.

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Yes, I think you'd be wonderful.

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Let's go.

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Just, please, just, you know, keep your eye on these visuals

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so...

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So brilliant.

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Okay.

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I will count us in.

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Five, four, three, two, one, and we're off.

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Now, see if you can find it.

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Can we see the koala?

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That is.

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There's the koala.

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Bloody koala.

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I swear you're making this up.

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No, no, the cloud koala.

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Remember the guy who ascends?

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Like, that's God.

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The koala.

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You believe any old cliche?

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when they say Spock's face is in that meteor dust in the DS9?

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No, no.

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It's definitely a thing.

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Oh, is it Mergill?

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Previously on Lower Decks.

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No, so it's the woman who plays her name's Jessica McKenna.

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Oh, no, it's a man.

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I actually didn't recognise who the previously voiced was.

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It wasn't the computer this time.

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Gosh, there's some good music in this episode.

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They used that Klingon, the Klingon music, like really well, and

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then they just deploy the hero, um, you know, the incredible hero

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Cerritos music all the time.

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Can I just say, you know, last week we were talking about who's

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hot?

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like Rutherford with his shirt off?

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Yeah.

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Malor.

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My husband, the brother.

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You've got a kink for Klingons, dude.

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He's hard.

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Actually, Tony Todd was pretty hot as well, yeah, handsome man.

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Well, they're usually buff, aren't they?

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Yeah, yeah.

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Look at this. a defiant starship.

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Yeah, sealing up a fisher.

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There is an amazing defiant moment as well at the very end, which

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I thought was really good.

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So here we have the Klingons.

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We're on the edge of Klingon space and they're about to encounter

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one of these fishes.

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She has got the ugliest looking tog you've ever seen in your

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life.

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Look at it.

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Isn't it?

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It's barking.

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It's a little yappie Chihuahua.

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Like, but it's a tag.

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I mean, they should have done it as if they glued the horn on, like

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they did in the TRS, like it was a dog.

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Is she our new loser then or Betor?

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Well, so she is the brother of the 2 guys, the 2 brothers that get

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killed by my, I don't know how we pronounce his name, uh, yeah.

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That's the old stock TNG cliche.

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Yeah, revenge for my brother, stroke sister.

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Yeah, exactly.

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The webs of electricity crackling out.

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Fabulous.

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It cracks in reality or something.

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I don't know what it is. just looks incredible.

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And the Soliton wave.

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Remember, wasn't the soliton wave considered as, you know, the

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next thing surfing a soliton wave?

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There's an episode of Star Trek, the next.

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There is our Discovery Klingon and the Discovery Klingon bird of

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prey that smashes into the other one.

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It sort of flew across and smashed into the other one.

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Oh, yeah.

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It looks so good.

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She looks she looks permanently pissed.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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She's wonderful.

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She's awesome.

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Or evil.

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And it's funny that it is like, this is just a normal episode.

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I think I think the opening with Jack giving the captain's log or

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the, you know, 1st officer's log, and we just see the people, you

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know, just going about their normal day is supposed to remind us

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what this ship is like, what life on the ship is like.

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So that does seem like, and there's, you know, Taana hitting on

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shacks and stuff, and that gives you a sense of what life's going

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to be like after the episode's over.

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But it's otherwise it's just a normal episode.

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They can do sort of like, not complicated arcs, but um, you know

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uh, compelling arcs, but it's not really that show, is it?

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This is like a, it's normally like a 25 minute hit of pure

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pleasure, you know, where you don't have to think too on, and it's

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just bam, bam, bam, funny lines, great visuals, great

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performances.

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So I'm pleased they ended.

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Oh, look, there he is, sucking on the arse.

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For the last time, sucking on the arse.

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So remember that series 4 just had a ship that came and killed

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people and we would see these different ships with different races

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on it.

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You know, there's the binars one week and the Romulans one week

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and there's a few gags and then a sheep appears and disintegrates

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them.

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And then it turns out that it was Nick Lucano all along in the

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finale.

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There's Badgie going along the corridor there.

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That shot there of all the different decks.

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And things happening in every window.

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Oh, I love this.

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Look at Jack.

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Look at Jack in the background reacting.

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He's kind of going, yeah, I'm going.

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God, I love you.

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She says.

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That's wonderful.

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Like that's that's that.

325
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That's that relationship, you know, for the end of the for the end

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of the show.

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I'm pleased to say that because we watched fully dilated the other

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day that Borner's beard is now lush, beautiful.

329
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Yeah, he looks like a real man now.

330
00:14:43.440 --> 00:14:45.179
Well, like, in a year, though.

331
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

332
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From bearded blowner from the 1st episode.

333
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I loved the journey that Rutherford goes on in this one as well

334
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where his, what's it called?

335
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his implant's not working properly. and he thinks he's fallen out

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of love with the ship.

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And he realises it isn't the ship.

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It's the implant.

339
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Of course he loves the Cerritos.

340
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That hero moment where he pulls out those isolinear chips at the

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end just is absolutely brilliant.

342
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I've never seen anyone engineer like that before.

343
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Yeah, technical, isn't it?

344
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Just tremendous.

345
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Just terrific.

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Oh, dear.

347
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And the moment where he breaks the, where Brad Boimler breaks the

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red pad because he wants to support...

349
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Gorgeous.

350
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She goes, that's really stupid, but kind of sweet.

351
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Yeah, it's really good, isn't it?

352
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I like the fact that they said to her, you know what?

353
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You seem to have lost your touch, so she's a total bitch and she

354
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makes that man jump.

355
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He's coming along with his food.

356
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What about this line here, boy, with screaming and breaking glass

357
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and stuff because he's read the pad.

358
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And then Teddy says, is it just me or his boy?

359
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We're always freaking out about it.

360
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Pat and Delin says, it is not just you.

361
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She is.

362
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Oh, Grace.

363
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The bit at the end where Ransom says Starfleet wants us to go and

364
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investigator talking goo.

365
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Visc was talking.

366
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What is the viscopity off the blue?

367
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Jesus got the viscosity.

368
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And Tendi says, is it saying anything nice?

369
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And he just sort of think, oh, yes, the 2 of them together. science

370
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buddy.

371
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You just sort of want to watch the next series now, don't you?

372
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With him as the key. with Boimla and Marina, both ancient for that

373
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role.

374
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Oh, because that's a perfect...

375
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That's a perfect cartoon plot.

376
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So we left in the middle of that.

377
00:16:34.740 --> 00:16:36.659
There's a cartoon plot that we're never going to see.

378
00:16:36.720 --> 00:16:39.720
Oh, so here's my and his hot brother.

379
00:16:39.779 --> 00:16:42.960
Oh, look at his horrible toes look.

380
00:16:43.019 --> 00:16:43.799
Yeah, yeah.

381
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I thought my feet as well, you know, but those are hideous.

382
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Oh, dear.

383
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So he's in...

384
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Wait, wake me if Kayla comes.

385
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So he, look at that.

386
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And this is where we get the Klingon music and all of that.

387
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They look great, don't they?

388
00:17:03.059 --> 00:17:05.339
Oh my god, the talk's right on the screen.

389
00:17:05.400 --> 00:17:07.079
So ugly.

390
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Small yuppy dogs.

391
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Oh my word.

392
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Oh, terrible.

393
00:17:11.519 --> 00:17:20.880
So, so he gets introduced in, uh, gets introduced in, uh, the 3

394
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ships episode that introduces to Lynn.

395
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Remember that?

396
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It's fantastic.

397
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It's so good.

398
00:17:27.299 --> 00:17:32.640
And it, yeah, you know, like it's a, our ship and a, uh, Vulcan

399
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ship and a Klingon ship.

400
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These are so great. bargain dog.

401
00:17:36.599 --> 00:17:38.640
Oh, she gets angry.

402
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She throws something.

403
00:17:41.039 --> 00:17:43.440
Yeah, yeah, yeah, she's awesome.

404
00:17:43.500 --> 00:17:44.099
He's great.

405
00:17:44.339 --> 00:17:49.500
Oh look at these special effects now. my god we're sort of zooming

406
00:17:49.500 --> 00:17:52.319
around the bird of prey. so good, isn't it?

407
00:17:52.380 --> 00:17:53.640
F flying everywhere.

408
00:17:53.700 --> 00:17:55.680
This is properly dynamic.

409
00:17:57.660 --> 00:17:59.579
See, he's hot.

410
00:17:59.640 --> 00:18:03.240
So, Maloria Sam Whitworth, who was in the American version of

411
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being human, but he was also crashed down in Battlestar

412
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Galactica.

413
00:18:07.980 --> 00:18:08.880
He's super hot.

414
00:18:08.940 --> 00:18:11.339
Who is that green fish woman now?

415
00:18:11.940 --> 00:18:15.599
She is also played by Gabrielle Ruez.

416
00:18:15.660 --> 00:18:18.299
You can ruers because you can hear that in her voice.

417
00:18:18.359 --> 00:18:20.940
And she is something.

418
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She's credited as Ariolo Federation scientist.

419
00:18:25.019 --> 00:18:27.539
What happens to these figures on the screen?

420
00:18:27.599 --> 00:18:31.259
So the guy is holding a cactus and then he ends up with a head as

421
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a cactus and the cactus is like some goo.

422
00:18:33.960 --> 00:18:36.720
And then someone later on says, but we, what happens to us?

423
00:18:36.839 --> 00:18:38.759
We don't want our heads to turn into characters.

424
00:18:38.819 --> 00:18:41.819
This with the 3 characters on the screen, right?

425
00:18:41.880 --> 00:18:43.380
all on the screen together.

426
00:18:43.440 --> 00:18:47.579
It's exactly how it's shot in what you leave behind with Marto, the

427
00:18:47.579 --> 00:18:48.539
Admiral and Cisco.

428
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Yeah.

429
00:18:49.140 --> 00:18:51.059
Exactly the same.

430
00:18:51.119 --> 00:18:53.099
Oh wonderful.

431
00:18:53.160 --> 00:18:57.119
Oh, actually, the one person I didn't feel got much too much to do

432
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was the fella behind with the moustache.

433
00:18:58.859 --> 00:19:02.220
He was the only character I thought was...

434
00:19:02.220 --> 00:19:03.420
Oh, no, Billips or Shacks.

435
00:19:03.539 --> 00:19:04.079
Phillips.

436
00:19:04.140 --> 00:19:04.680
Phillips.

437
00:19:04.680 --> 00:19:06.059
It was just a little bit of...

438
00:19:06.059 --> 00:19:06.660
But you know what?

439
00:19:06.720 --> 00:19:07.619
had 30 minutes.

440
00:19:07.680 --> 00:19:08.700
I had a lot to do.

441
00:19:08.759 --> 00:19:09.779
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

442
00:19:09.839 --> 00:19:11.400
And he is a secondary character.

443
00:19:11.460 --> 00:19:14.099
He's in a little bit, but he's not sort of a primary character.

444
00:19:14.640 --> 00:19:18.119
Could or not fishwoman have just said, it's a trap.

445
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Just once.

446
00:19:21.779 --> 00:19:25.799
And it, you know, like they're annoyed at Boimler because William

447
00:19:25.799 --> 00:19:29.700
Boimler, from the transporter accident, from the 2nd Chances

448
00:19:29.700 --> 00:19:31.259
Transporter accident.

449
00:19:31.319 --> 00:19:32.279
Oh, just series three.

450
00:19:32.339 --> 00:19:33.059
I don't even know.

451
00:19:33.119 --> 00:19:38.579
Um, uh, you know, sent the the thing to their reality.

452
00:19:39.000 --> 00:19:43.200
And he says at the end of the episode, I know that Boimler is

453
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going to be able to handle it. and they get there.

454
00:19:46.680 --> 00:19:47.339
Do you know what I mean?

455
00:19:47.400 --> 00:19:49.559
Yes, of course, we were going to be able to handle it and they

456
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were.

457
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With a few bumps along the way.

458
00:19:52.920 --> 00:19:55.319
Yeah, yeah, of course. cartoon and it's an episode.

459
00:19:55.380 --> 00:19:56.940
I love this woman, though.

460
00:19:57.000 --> 00:19:58.680
Ollie is really great, isn't she?

461
00:19:58.740 --> 00:20:00.119
She was really good in that episode.

462
00:20:00.180 --> 00:20:03.000
So that was the episode you mentioned where it's like the spheres

463
00:20:03.000 --> 00:20:05.339
versus the cubes or whatever.

464
00:20:05.400 --> 00:20:07.920
The special effects in that episode were great.

465
00:20:07.920 --> 00:20:09.660
When they were at war with EJ.

466
00:20:09.720 --> 00:20:11.279
And how has that never happened?

467
00:20:11.339 --> 00:20:14.759
The Spheres versus the Cubes is such genius and such a great

468
00:20:14.759 --> 00:20:15.059
idea.

469
00:20:15.180 --> 00:20:19.680
It was like on crosses board, declaring war on each other.

470
00:20:19.740 --> 00:20:20.940
It was wonderful.

471
00:20:21.539 --> 00:20:26.700
Do you know, oh my god, why do I keep forgetting Dawn Lewis's

472
00:20:26.700 --> 00:20:27.240
character's name?

473
00:20:27.299 --> 00:20:28.079
Yeah, Carol.

474
00:20:28.200 --> 00:20:29.759
Carol Freeman.

475
00:20:29.819 --> 00:20:31.619
Mark was watching this with me, right?

476
00:20:31.680 --> 00:20:34.380
And because it's clearly a woman of colour playing.

477
00:20:34.440 --> 00:20:36.000
He was like, oh, she's fabulous.

478
00:20:36.059 --> 00:20:40.079
Mark just kept going, mm-hmm, and clicking his fingers. every time

479
00:20:40.079 --> 00:20:40.980
she talked.

480
00:20:41.160 --> 00:20:43.859
Oh, live in the cliches.

481
00:20:43.920 --> 00:20:45.660
Oh, do you know he does?

482
00:20:45.720 --> 00:20:47.160
He's got his chest all on show.

483
00:20:47.519 --> 00:20:49.319
I can't look away.

484
00:20:51.779 --> 00:20:54.720
You like shacks at the end of the world.

485
00:20:54.779 --> 00:20:57.720
She's told me I'm not allowed you're not allowed to detonate the

486
00:20:57.720 --> 00:20:58.319
warp core.

487
00:20:58.440 --> 00:21:00.539
Unless you...

488
00:21:00.539 --> 00:21:01.440
Unless you deserve it.

489
00:21:04.440 --> 00:21:07.079
Oh, he's a psychopath.

490
00:21:07.140 --> 00:21:09.059
I also love Malor.

491
00:21:09.119 --> 00:21:10.799
He wants to go and eat.

492
00:21:10.799 --> 00:21:13.740
He wants to have replicators if he's can find a quarters because

493
00:21:13.740 --> 00:21:19.799
all of our Klingon snacks are made of bugs and they have salty and

494
00:21:19.799 --> 00:21:20.220
sweet.

495
00:21:21.359 --> 00:21:23.759
I love salty and sweet.

496
00:21:24.660 --> 00:21:27.240
I'm assuming you're a real girl.

497
00:21:27.299 --> 00:21:28.019
What gave it away?

498
00:21:31.319 --> 00:21:35.160
Oh, look at them all there and on the bridge together.

499
00:21:35.220 --> 00:21:37.079
They're such a great crew, aren't they?

500
00:21:37.140 --> 00:21:38.579
so good.

501
00:21:38.640 --> 00:21:42.119
It's so unusual to have a Star Trek show where you don't hate one

502
00:21:42.119 --> 00:21:42.779
of the characters.

503
00:21:42.839 --> 00:21:43.920
Like every other show.

504
00:21:43.980 --> 00:21:45.660
There's someone...

505
00:21:45.720 --> 00:21:46.859
Who do I hate?

506
00:21:46.920 --> 00:21:48.900
Oh, you hate the worst, Robert.

507
00:21:48.960 --> 00:21:50.160
Yeah, that's true.

508
00:21:50.220 --> 00:21:51.180
I hate the worst, Robert.

509
00:21:51.240 --> 00:21:53.220
Sometimes you hate the medium, Robert.

510
00:21:53.279 --> 00:21:54.839
Yeah, that's true.

511
00:21:54.900 --> 00:21:57.240
But maybe it's Voyager that I just hate people.

512
00:21:57.299 --> 00:21:58.500
I don't hate anyone.

513
00:21:58.559 --> 00:22:00.420
We mostly hate Captain Archer, you know.

514
00:22:00.480 --> 00:22:01.259
Yeah.

515
00:22:01.319 --> 00:22:04.619
I don't hate anyone on DS9 or on TNG.

516
00:22:04.680 --> 00:22:05.220
I think.

517
00:22:05.460 --> 00:22:08.220
No, actually, that's a good point.

518
00:22:08.279 --> 00:22:12.119
Yeah, but it's very unusual to love and like from all this much.

519
00:22:12.180 --> 00:22:15.960
I don't know that there's anyone as much.

520
00:22:16.380 --> 00:22:20.220
Anyone on any Star Trek crew in any Star Trek crew that I love as

521
00:22:20.220 --> 00:22:21.779
much as I love Tandy and Rutherford.

522
00:22:22.200 --> 00:22:24.240
Oh, really?

523
00:22:24.299 --> 00:22:30.000
I mean, I love Boimer and Mariner, obviously they're wonderful.

524
00:22:30.059 --> 00:22:32.400
But God, I love Tandy and Rutland.

525
00:22:32.460 --> 00:22:34.019
Mariner should be annoying.

526
00:22:34.079 --> 00:22:36.059
But if no, she's wonderful.

527
00:22:36.119 --> 00:22:36.960
She's so good.

528
00:22:36.960 --> 00:22:38.700
A little trick, they pulled off with that.

529
00:22:39.299 --> 00:22:42.000
Oh, God, this fella from Darmok.

530
00:22:43.740 --> 00:22:45.539
Geishan.

531
00:22:45.960 --> 00:22:50.220
Every shitty metaphor he said, I was laughing my head off.

532
00:22:50.279 --> 00:22:51.420
So great.

533
00:22:51.480 --> 00:22:52.319
So good.

534
00:22:54.299 --> 00:22:57.180
Take on their silent beckons.

535
00:22:57.779 --> 00:23:00.119
No, she's throwing a thing.

536
00:23:00.180 --> 00:23:00.960
We cut back to her.

537
00:23:01.019 --> 00:23:01.920
She's throwing something.

538
00:23:03.420 --> 00:23:05.160
Oh shit.

539
00:23:05.220 --> 00:23:06.720
Don't care angry.

540
00:23:06.779 --> 00:23:07.799
No, no.

541
00:23:10.980 --> 00:23:14.160
And so...

542
00:23:14.220 --> 00:23:15.299
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

543
00:23:15.359 --> 00:23:17.220
These are proper action things.

544
00:23:17.279 --> 00:23:18.660
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right.

545
00:23:18.720 --> 00:23:22.619
And they're exactly the sort of action sequences they would do on

546
00:23:22.619 --> 00:23:25.619
a live action show because they're all cartoons as well.

547
00:23:25.680 --> 00:23:27.240
No, no, no, they're better.

548
00:23:27.299 --> 00:23:30.720
I've seen worse action scenes in the live action tricks.

549
00:23:30.779 --> 00:23:31.920
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

550
00:23:31.980 --> 00:23:33.660
But you know, this is what it looks like now.

551
00:23:33.720 --> 00:23:36.539
And so, you know, it's exactly the same technology.

552
00:23:37.200 --> 00:23:41.880
I mean, as well, like, you know, they've had 5 seasons to perfect

553
00:23:41.880 --> 00:23:45.900
the animation and the fluidity of it and all of that.

554
00:23:45.960 --> 00:23:49.740
But boy, they took it to new heights here.

555
00:23:52.859 --> 00:23:56.460
We're approaching the Schrodinger field.

556
00:23:56.519 --> 00:23:57.000
Yes.

557
00:23:57.059 --> 00:23:58.140
Yeah.

558
00:23:58.200 --> 00:24:01.559
Well, because it's different, you know, quantum superpositions.

559
00:24:01.619 --> 00:24:04.140
You know, me and the cats alive and not alive at the same time

560
00:24:04.140 --> 00:24:05.220
until you take a look at it.

561
00:24:05.279 --> 00:24:09.000
You know, I was thinking of you, you know, when they went into the

562
00:24:09.000 --> 00:24:10.559
show.

563
00:24:10.680 --> 00:24:13.920
And they kept showing you all the cross-section technical designs

564
00:24:13.920 --> 00:24:15.059
of all the shit.

565
00:24:15.359 --> 00:24:17.759
I bet he knows what all of them are.

566
00:24:17.819 --> 00:24:22.619
But I died, but it is absolutely kind of like there are Star Trek

567
00:24:22.619 --> 00:24:25.079
word nerds watching this and we had better do that.

568
00:24:25.140 --> 00:24:27.119
Just this one last time.

569
00:24:27.660 --> 00:24:29.640
This race for weird.

570
00:24:32.700 --> 00:24:36.480
I mean, I should say that in every Star Trek episode ever, right?

571
00:24:36.599 --> 00:24:38.460
What's that?

572
00:24:38.519 --> 00:24:42.240
So we have only, it's the, what is it?

573
00:24:42.359 --> 00:24:43.200
A freedom class?

574
00:24:43.259 --> 00:24:47.940
Um, because chips only have even numbered even numbers of

575
00:24:47.940 --> 00:24:48.539
Nasselles.

576
00:24:48.660 --> 00:24:51.420
Don't have time to nerd out, Lieutenant.

577
00:24:51.839 --> 00:24:54.240
We don't have time to know it out.

578
00:24:54.299 --> 00:24:54.839
It's wonderful.

579
00:24:54.900 --> 00:24:55.500
So good.

580
00:24:55.559 --> 00:24:58.140
We get to see some beautiful ships too in this sequence.

581
00:24:58.200 --> 00:25:00.539
So as we go closer to the rift.

582
00:25:00.599 --> 00:25:03.599
The ships keep hitting these soliton waves and changing into other

583
00:25:03.599 --> 00:25:03.839
things.

584
00:25:03.900 --> 00:25:07.440
The Klingon turns into a barge of the dead, doesn't it?

585
00:25:07.500 --> 00:25:09.240
Yeah, and everyone dies, all hands lost.

586
00:25:10.319 --> 00:25:13.319
Oh, well, nobody will warn them.

587
00:25:13.380 --> 00:25:16.019
And now these ships made of wood.

588
00:25:16.079 --> 00:25:20.099
So there's wood in the corridors and the exterior has wood.

589
00:25:20.160 --> 00:25:21.119
Now it's gold.

590
00:25:21.180 --> 00:25:22.740
Like it keeps changing.

591
00:25:22.799 --> 00:25:27.299
What we needed to see in this last episode was that this crew had

592
00:25:27.299 --> 00:25:30.599
gailed in such a way that there's an impossible problem to solve

593
00:25:30.599 --> 00:25:35.339
and you just see everybody's strength and they absolutely do that

594
00:25:35.339 --> 00:25:35.759
don't they?

595
00:25:35.819 --> 00:25:39.359
But they also have the little character thing like Rutherford's

596
00:25:39.359 --> 00:25:40.500
little plot and stuff like that.

597
00:25:40.559 --> 00:25:43.619
Oh, he's the huge...

598
00:25:43.680 --> 00:25:44.940
He's the best dead.

599
00:25:45.059 --> 00:25:45.720
Look at that.

600
00:25:45.779 --> 00:25:48.839
And they've done the electric, the lightning, just like the

601
00:25:48.839 --> 00:25:49.799
episode, isn't it?

602
00:25:50.400 --> 00:25:50.880
Yeah, yeah.

603
00:25:52.980 --> 00:25:55.440
I could really use a shield update, Mr. Phillips.

604
00:25:55.500 --> 00:25:58.980
The brilliant thing is that the reason they give in universe for

605
00:25:58.980 --> 00:26:01.500
the, um, and I can't think who says it.

606
00:26:01.559 --> 00:26:04.680
Um, it might be, no, it's not me, Lamo.

607
00:26:04.740 --> 00:26:08.519
It says, oh, they don't change their ships that often.

608
00:26:08.880 --> 00:26:13.559
You know, they just always want them to look like big stupid birds

609
00:26:13.559 --> 00:26:15.240
which I thought was a pretty great line.

610
00:26:15.299 --> 00:26:17.039
So, are these still fighting?

611
00:26:17.099 --> 00:26:17.880
I love that, don't you?

612
00:26:17.940 --> 00:26:18.599
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

613
00:26:18.660 --> 00:26:19.140
I do too.

614
00:26:19.200 --> 00:26:22.980
So these 2 are having a bit of a fight and to Lynn's being normal

615
00:26:22.980 --> 00:26:26.880
intendees being kind of, you know, ludicrously over the top just

616
00:26:26.880 --> 00:26:27.599
like last week.

617
00:26:27.779 --> 00:26:31.799
And it looks like they're going to break up and he's Rutherford

618
00:26:31.799 --> 00:26:32.940
and he hates the ship.

619
00:26:33.000 --> 00:26:36.299
And so they're at the kind of depths of their kind of of their

620
00:26:36.299 --> 00:26:39.240
plots at the sort of worst point of their plots before it all

621
00:26:39.240 --> 00:26:39.900
turns around.

622
00:26:40.079 --> 00:26:43.019
Oh, look how sad it looks.

623
00:26:43.079 --> 00:26:45.720
Maybe this is just a rough patch between you and the story time.

624
00:26:45.779 --> 00:26:46.440
That's right.

625
00:26:46.500 --> 00:26:47.460
But it isn't getting better.

626
00:26:47.579 --> 00:26:52.559
It's such a punch the air moment when he goes, I love the Cerritos

627
00:26:52.559 --> 00:26:53.279
again.

628
00:26:53.339 --> 00:26:57.359
Why is Poimla... hosing down the dolphins.

629
00:26:57.420 --> 00:26:59.339
Yeah, he's a kink.

630
00:26:59.640 --> 00:27:01.259
That's it.

631
00:27:01.319 --> 00:27:05.519
Notice that the dolphins think that my heart is hot.

632
00:27:05.579 --> 00:27:07.680
Like they actually say, oh, he's hot.

633
00:27:07.799 --> 00:27:10.859
You and the dolphins have something in common, man.

634
00:27:10.859 --> 00:27:12.059
Malore a bit better.

635
00:27:12.119 --> 00:27:13.200
He's a bit chunkier.

636
00:27:14.880 --> 00:27:18.720
Do you know which bit made me actually moved me the most?

637
00:27:18.779 --> 00:27:21.480
Strangely, was I'll forget it later when it comes.

638
00:27:21.539 --> 00:27:26.700
It's when Dr. Tahana goes, miaow, when she gives...

639
00:27:26.759 --> 00:27:29.400
It's a proper hug.

640
00:27:29.579 --> 00:27:33.000
It doesn't sort of purr in miaow as well.

641
00:27:33.059 --> 00:27:33.660
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

642
00:27:33.720 --> 00:27:34.259
It's really cute.

643
00:27:34.319 --> 00:27:35.279
I thought that was really great.

644
00:27:35.400 --> 00:27:36.299
That Klingon...

645
00:27:36.299 --> 00:27:37.440
That Klingon...

646
00:27:37.500 --> 00:27:38.640
I know.

647
00:27:38.640 --> 00:27:42.779
And now it is...

648
00:27:42.839 --> 00:27:44.220
Oh, it's a is it a Terran ship?

649
00:27:44.279 --> 00:27:46.859
Yeah, yeah, it's a Terran Empire ship.

650
00:27:46.920 --> 00:27:48.420
By the prophets.

651
00:27:48.480 --> 00:27:49.500
The weapons are amazing.

652
00:27:49.619 --> 00:27:50.880
But they don't work.

653
00:27:50.940 --> 00:27:52.200
Immediately, weapons offline.

654
00:27:52.259 --> 00:27:54.000
There you go.

655
00:27:54.000 --> 00:27:56.460
It's so mean.

656
00:27:56.519 --> 00:28:00.299
I wanted to blow some shit up.

657
00:28:03.359 --> 00:28:05.819
Oh, do you know what?

658
00:28:05.880 --> 00:28:08.099
All these characters went, none of this should have worked, should

659
00:28:08.099 --> 00:28:08.339
it?

660
00:28:08.460 --> 00:28:10.259
For God's sakes, it's so gross.

661
00:28:10.319 --> 00:28:11.759
It's really good, isn't it?

662
00:28:11.819 --> 00:28:16.079
I mean, the Klingon characters who are very minor roles, you know

663
00:28:16.079 --> 00:28:19.140
they're in like 3 episodes, I think, and we really care about them

664
00:28:19.140 --> 00:28:19.740
as well.

665
00:28:19.920 --> 00:28:23.940
Although the best jokes about Shacks is where he died and came

666
00:28:23.940 --> 00:28:26.220
back and we never found that why.

667
00:28:26.819 --> 00:28:27.960
You can't even say.

668
00:28:28.440 --> 00:28:32.279
Oh, no, it's to Anna who says that they always want their ships to

669
00:28:32.279 --> 00:28:33.660
look like big stupid birds.

670
00:28:33.720 --> 00:28:35.460
She just said it then, bless her.

671
00:28:37.619 --> 00:28:39.839
There we go, but...

672
00:28:39.839 --> 00:28:42.960
The purple boy.

673
00:28:43.019 --> 00:28:44.579
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

674
00:28:44.640 --> 00:28:45.119
Yeah.

675
00:28:45.240 --> 00:28:48.180
This purple boy has proof the mariner light.

676
00:28:48.240 --> 00:28:51.299
Oh, this was gorgeous where she just says to her daughter, no.

677
00:28:51.359 --> 00:28:52.200
I trust you.

678
00:28:52.259 --> 00:28:53.880
But that was the thing earlier on, too.

679
00:28:53.940 --> 00:28:56.579
Like they expected that they would have to try and convince

680
00:28:56.579 --> 00:29:01.319
Freeman that the thing was real and she just believes them

681
00:29:01.319 --> 00:29:01.920
immediately.

682
00:29:01.980 --> 00:29:05.160
But that's not where they were in series one, is it?

683
00:29:05.220 --> 00:29:06.420
come so far together.

684
00:29:06.539 --> 00:29:08.400
But also the bit like...

685
00:29:08.400 --> 00:29:12.180
Yeah, I know he broke the pen. need a patch.

686
00:29:18.000 --> 00:29:21.960
I mean, that is one of the best things about Star Trek, isn't it?

687
00:29:22.019 --> 00:29:23.160
the friendships between the characters.

688
00:29:23.220 --> 00:29:28.200
Yeah, yeah, but like ransom prevents Maha from hitting a Mariner

689
00:29:28.200 --> 00:29:30.299
and he goes, oh, how are you so strong?

690
00:29:30.359 --> 00:29:32.160
And he says high-ensity, high intensity.

691
00:29:32.220 --> 00:29:35.400
High intensity, the infiltrating or something, which is so

692
00:29:35.400 --> 00:29:36.119
hilarious.

693
00:29:36.180 --> 00:29:39.900
But again, you know, mariner, a ransom steps in to save mariner

694
00:29:39.900 --> 00:29:42.059
and they've had a very kind of fractious relationship.

695
00:29:44.160 --> 00:29:46.680
Oh, this is where we learn, isn't it?

696
00:29:46.740 --> 00:29:49.740
It's real girl, pretending to be the athlete.

697
00:29:49.799 --> 00:29:51.240
Yeah, that's right.

698
00:29:51.299 --> 00:29:52.500
There she is.

699
00:29:54.180 --> 00:29:56.640
That is so dishonourable.

700
00:29:56.700 --> 00:29:57.779
She sent the message.

701
00:29:57.839 --> 00:30:00.359
That's Baron saying that it's so funny.

702
00:30:03.420 --> 00:30:07.680
I can't believe we've got Terran weapons and no way to use them.

703
00:30:07.740 --> 00:30:10.619
And so I can't remember what the trick is.

704
00:30:11.339 --> 00:30:13.200
What's the trick?

705
00:30:13.319 --> 00:30:14.700
Oh, of course.

706
00:30:14.759 --> 00:30:15.480
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

707
00:30:15.539 --> 00:30:18.180
So they get Ollie on top of the ship because she's a goal.

708
00:30:18.299 --> 00:30:21.839
Do you wish they didn't bleep out Dr. Tahana's fucks?

709
00:30:21.900 --> 00:30:24.180
They are so great.

710
00:30:24.900 --> 00:30:25.799
Every time she does it.

711
00:30:25.859 --> 00:30:29.160
It is hard to tell because I do like swearing on Star Trek, as you

712
00:30:29.160 --> 00:30:34.140
know. and I don't know whether the beeping is funnier or not.

713
00:30:34.200 --> 00:30:35.160
I can't tell.

714
00:30:35.220 --> 00:30:36.180
I'm not sure.

715
00:30:38.700 --> 00:30:41.640
Oh, yep, here we go.

716
00:30:41.759 --> 00:30:46.019
So, here we are on the outside of the ship, in the spacesuits.

717
00:30:46.079 --> 00:30:47.220
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

718
00:30:47.279 --> 00:30:50.519
But Ollie, there she is using her magical powers, her divine

719
00:30:50.519 --> 00:30:51.240
powers.

720
00:30:51.299 --> 00:30:56.640
Enterprise did a whole episode with in lower decks, it's 2.5

721
00:30:56.640 --> 00:30:58.680
seconds on the exterior of the ship.

722
00:30:58.740 --> 00:30:59.640
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

723
00:30:59.700 --> 00:31:03.779
But the, and like we rolled to mourns for Adonis the other day and

724
00:31:03.779 --> 00:31:06.180
ended up watching the empath instead.

725
00:31:06.359 --> 00:31:09.420
And who mourns for adonise is very similar to the empathy in that

726
00:31:09.420 --> 00:31:10.799
it's just a big god.

727
00:31:10.859 --> 00:31:15.420
It's Apollo, who presumably is Ollie's uncle. just torturing

728
00:31:15.420 --> 00:31:18.720
people until it's time to go home, you know, crap joke and then

729
00:31:18.720 --> 00:31:19.140
out.

730
00:31:19.259 --> 00:31:21.480
Oh, yeah, we go.

731
00:31:21.480 --> 00:31:24.900
They're turning into the proto Klingons from Genesis.

732
00:31:24.960 --> 00:31:26.400
We even see the...

733
00:31:26.400 --> 00:31:29.640
Yeah, look, look, exactly like it.

734
00:31:29.700 --> 00:31:30.539
It's so great.

735
00:31:30.599 --> 00:31:31.319
It's so good.

736
00:31:32.039 --> 00:31:34.799
Is that Mr. Wolf, I see there?

737
00:31:35.460 --> 00:31:37.559
So they're dead now.

738
00:31:38.039 --> 00:31:41.819
Oh, look at it. bloody great explosion as well.

739
00:31:41.880 --> 00:31:43.980
I'm sure Mr. Shacks will be very happy.

740
00:31:44.039 --> 00:31:45.059
Yeah.

741
00:31:45.119 --> 00:31:47.339
And the explosion is still hand-drawn.

742
00:31:47.400 --> 00:31:49.619
It's not that, or, you know, it looks hand-drawn.

743
00:31:49.680 --> 00:31:53.640
Like they don't try and make it look like there we go. the crazy

744
00:31:53.640 --> 00:31:54.180
colours.

745
00:31:54.240 --> 00:31:56.339
Yeah, yeah, it looks amazing.

746
00:31:56.400 --> 00:31:56.940
Where are we?

747
00:31:57.000 --> 00:32:00.720
I mean, we were happy when they exchanged black for white in this

748
00:32:00.720 --> 00:32:01.799
animated series.

749
00:32:01.859 --> 00:32:03.599
So it's sovereign class.

750
00:32:03.660 --> 00:32:10.500
So the same as the Enterprise E. Yeah, so from, uh, you know

751
00:32:10.500 --> 00:32:11.039
whatever.

752
00:32:11.160 --> 00:32:14.880
We have come a long away from the animated series nation, haven't

753
00:32:14.880 --> 00:32:15.059
we?

754
00:32:15.119 --> 00:32:16.559
Yeah, I certainly have.

755
00:32:16.859 --> 00:32:18.779
Oh my god, look.

756
00:32:18.839 --> 00:32:20.339
It's constantly transforming now.

757
00:32:20.400 --> 00:32:21.720
Yeah, it's wonderful.

758
00:32:21.839 --> 00:32:22.500
Galaxy class.

759
00:32:22.559 --> 00:32:23.700
Oh, my God.

760
00:32:23.700 --> 00:32:25.079
Silicon Avatar.

761
00:32:25.140 --> 00:32:25.680
What was that?

762
00:32:25.740 --> 00:32:26.579
It does, doesn't it?

763
00:32:26.700 --> 00:32:28.440
Oh, they're whatever.

764
00:32:28.500 --> 00:32:30.900
They're quantum superposition stage.

765
00:32:30.900 --> 00:32:31.559
It's still appropriate.

766
00:32:31.619 --> 00:32:36.000
This show wishes a love letter tonight is trek that the big threat

767
00:32:36.000 --> 00:32:37.619
is a big wibbly anomaly.

768
00:32:37.680 --> 00:32:39.480
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it does get appropriate.

769
00:32:39.539 --> 00:32:43.079
Like the finale of Star Trek the Next Generation.

770
00:32:43.200 --> 00:32:44.940
That's right.

771
00:32:45.359 --> 00:32:49.680
They make some comment later on about how, you know, we love the

772
00:32:49.680 --> 00:32:53.819
Cerritos, even though engineering is like completely separate from

773
00:32:53.819 --> 00:32:54.539
the rest of the ship.

774
00:32:54.599 --> 00:32:57.180
You know, like there's nothing joining it to the rest of the

775
00:32:57.180 --> 00:32:57.480
ship.

776
00:32:57.960 --> 00:33:00.119
So he turns...

777
00:33:00.180 --> 00:33:01.500
Oh, he tears his implant off.

778
00:33:01.559 --> 00:33:01.799
Yeah.

779
00:33:01.859 --> 00:33:03.420
Oh my god.

780
00:33:03.480 --> 00:33:06.420
He does he does the date effect now with the ice linear chips.

781
00:33:08.339 --> 00:33:09.779
Exactly right.

782
00:33:09.839 --> 00:33:13.259
I've never seen anyone engineer that fast.

783
00:33:13.799 --> 00:33:16.559
Robert Foot.

784
00:33:16.559 --> 00:33:17.160
Yeah.

785
00:33:17.220 --> 00:33:18.299
It's so great.

786
00:33:18.420 --> 00:33:20.759
And now these 2 are going to be friends again.

787
00:33:20.819 --> 00:33:22.319
What the hell does that mean?

788
00:33:22.380 --> 00:33:25.440
We are being fuelled by interdimensionality itself.

789
00:33:25.500 --> 00:33:30.779
Yes, it's an awesome one. terrific.

790
00:33:30.839 --> 00:33:32.099
So great.

791
00:33:32.160 --> 00:33:36.119
I think Dr. Tahana may have just done a little poo there.

792
00:33:36.180 --> 00:33:37.259
She looks so scared.

793
00:33:40.500 --> 00:33:43.200
Get that cat, I'll let her try.

794
00:33:43.259 --> 00:33:45.660
It's yeah, that's right.

795
00:33:46.440 --> 00:33:49.440
Now look at they're all working together.

796
00:33:49.500 --> 00:33:51.000
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

797
00:33:51.000 --> 00:33:52.500
And it's a proper Star Trek thing.

798
00:33:52.559 --> 00:33:55.559
We get sparks coming out of the consoles, no rocks, though.

799
00:33:56.160 --> 00:33:59.940
Oh, it's the sexiest anomaly we've ever seen.

800
00:33:59.940 --> 00:34:01.500
It's my favourite bit.

801
00:34:01.559 --> 00:34:02.700
Yes, it is.

802
00:34:02.759 --> 00:34:03.480
Here it is.

803
00:34:03.599 --> 00:34:05.039
Just each other.

804
00:34:05.099 --> 00:34:06.180
Best thing.

805
00:34:06.180 --> 00:34:13.440
I just done live, Marty Morphin, fucking...

806
00:34:13.440 --> 00:34:14.940
That's excellent.

807
00:34:15.000 --> 00:34:16.559
Oh, now we're back together.

808
00:34:16.619 --> 00:34:19.500
Oh, so funny.

809
00:34:20.340 --> 00:34:24.420
They special effects, man, in the normally. amazing.

810
00:34:24.480 --> 00:34:26.400
Oh, and here's the hot Klingon.

811
00:34:26.460 --> 00:34:30.119
He's back I mean, seriously, go back and watch the Silicon Avatar

812
00:34:30.119 --> 00:34:30.420
all right?

813
00:34:31.260 --> 00:34:33.300
It doesn't look like this.

814
00:34:33.300 --> 00:34:34.079
We moved on.

815
00:34:34.559 --> 00:34:40.260
We've got a glueonic beam. are a real thing, I think, but I don't

816
00:34:40.260 --> 00:34:43.079
know anything about particle physics, so I can't tell you what

817
00:34:43.079 --> 00:34:43.440
they are.

818
00:34:43.500 --> 00:34:46.679
Shacks are so excited every time the weapons change.

819
00:34:46.739 --> 00:34:48.059
You get to fire a new weapon.

820
00:34:48.119 --> 00:34:49.260
Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.

821
00:34:49.320 --> 00:34:51.780
And so this solution is really great.

822
00:34:51.840 --> 00:34:55.440
It's super interesting and it does change the Star Trek universe, I

823
00:34:55.440 --> 00:35:01.260
think, that after this time there is an open portal that is

824
00:35:01.260 --> 00:35:04.920
playing the role of the wormhole in Deep Space 9, but instead of

825
00:35:04.920 --> 00:35:08.519
going into the Gamma Quadrant, it goes into different realities.

826
00:35:08.579 --> 00:35:11.579
And you kind of think I would watch the shit out of that version

827
00:35:11.579 --> 00:35:12.539
of Star Trek.

828
00:35:12.599 --> 00:35:16.380
You've got a show there, custom made, so you can test your actors

829
00:35:16.380 --> 00:35:18.239
every week to play a new version of themselves.

830
00:35:18.300 --> 00:35:18.960
Exactly.

831
00:35:19.019 --> 00:35:21.539
Exactly, like sliders or whatever.

832
00:35:21.599 --> 00:35:22.260
Only good.

833
00:35:23.519 --> 00:35:25.320
Terrible show.

834
00:35:28.380 --> 00:35:30.900
And this is like, well, Jeffrey Davis.

835
00:35:30.960 --> 00:35:32.099
Yeah, maybe.

836
00:35:32.159 --> 00:35:34.559
That looks great, doesn't it?

837
00:35:34.679 --> 00:35:36.480
Yeah, permanently.

838
00:35:36.539 --> 00:35:39.239
I mean, it is it is great effect.

839
00:35:39.300 --> 00:35:41.519
I think I prefer the wormhole, though, you know.

840
00:35:41.579 --> 00:35:44.699
Yeah, yeah, but you can't do the wormhole again, I think.

841
00:35:44.760 --> 00:35:46.139
Yeah.

842
00:35:46.199 --> 00:35:46.739
Yeah, yeah.

843
00:35:46.800 --> 00:35:49.500
I think it looks, like it looks like nothing else that we've ever

844
00:35:49.500 --> 00:35:50.639
seen. and that's.

845
00:35:50.699 --> 00:35:51.659
So is your favourite thing, look?

846
00:35:51.659 --> 00:35:54.719
Like, well, big space problem and they've solved it all by being

847
00:35:54.719 --> 00:35:56.099
competent space people.

848
00:35:56.219 --> 00:35:57.000
Yeah, yeah, exactly.

849
00:35:57.059 --> 00:35:59.579
It's just Star Trek, being as Star Trek as possible.

850
00:35:59.639 --> 00:36:02.760
Now we go to black, and now here we are, and this is the, we get

851
00:36:02.760 --> 00:36:07.380
the, you know, we're going to get a log, Boemless log, and this is

852
00:36:07.380 --> 00:36:07.860
the end.

853
00:36:07.920 --> 00:36:09.059
So this is the coder.

854
00:36:09.119 --> 00:36:10.559
We finished the episode just then.

855
00:36:10.619 --> 00:36:11.639
Now here's the coder.

856
00:36:11.699 --> 00:36:13.980
I tell you why this is so great.

857
00:36:14.039 --> 00:36:18.179
It's because I can't think of a better way to end the show. than

858
00:36:18.179 --> 00:36:19.199
what they put on.

859
00:36:19.320 --> 00:36:22.019
You know, like when we talked about Endgame, I thought of many

860
00:36:22.019 --> 00:36:23.880
ways, they could have ended that in a better way.

861
00:36:23.940 --> 00:36:25.260
Oh yeah, for sure.

862
00:36:25.320 --> 00:36:26.639
But I just, I don't know.

863
00:36:26.699 --> 00:36:28.800
They're all such lovely characters.

864
00:36:28.860 --> 00:36:30.000
You kind of, you don't want to lose anyway.

865
00:36:30.059 --> 00:36:30.960
You're want to kill anyone off.

866
00:36:31.019 --> 00:36:32.820
You know, you don't want anyone to be unhappy.

867
00:36:33.360 --> 00:36:37.860
I think I think they just gauge the sentiment just right.

868
00:36:37.920 --> 00:36:43.260
But what they do is they leave us with a spinoff idea that's like

869
00:36:43.260 --> 00:36:45.780
deep space 9 and there's the Defiant.

870
00:36:46.019 --> 00:36:50.099
There's Garak and Bashir giving each other moon eyes.

871
00:36:50.639 --> 00:36:56.039
And so we've got a DS9 spinoff, and then we have like a Star Trek

872
00:36:56.039 --> 00:36:58.619
the Next Generation style spinoff where we're on a ship.

873
00:36:58.679 --> 00:37:00.119
And so...

874
00:37:00.119 --> 00:37:03.539
I hope my Rivera was watching this, you know, and just all those

875
00:37:03.539 --> 00:37:04.079
two.

876
00:37:04.079 --> 00:37:05.099
Yeah.

877
00:37:05.159 --> 00:37:06.000
There it is.

878
00:37:06.059 --> 00:37:06.659
Yeah.

879
00:37:06.719 --> 00:37:12.960
But so it leaves us with the real impression that the franchise

880
00:37:12.960 --> 00:37:13.800
continues.

881
00:37:13.860 --> 00:37:14.760
Do you know what I mean?

882
00:37:14.820 --> 00:37:16.739
There are 2 TV premises that continue.

883
00:37:16.800 --> 00:37:21.119
The franchise, the world of Star Trek is made up of TV shows, and

884
00:37:21.119 --> 00:37:26.579
we get 2 unseen TV shows that start, you know, at this point, uh

885
00:37:26.579 --> 00:37:30.000
and we can imagine them going into the future, even though maybe

886
00:37:30.000 --> 00:37:31.559
we won't ever get to see them.

887
00:37:31.559 --> 00:37:37.679
Oh, this, holy crap, the 2 of them, you know, it's time for her to

888
00:37:37.679 --> 00:37:38.099
go.

889
00:37:38.159 --> 00:37:38.699
It's okay.

890
00:37:38.760 --> 00:37:40.079
Mariner doesn't need her anymore.

891
00:37:40.139 --> 00:37:42.000
It's lovely.

892
00:37:42.059 --> 00:37:45.840
Both of those TV shows would have been great. absolutely awesome.

893
00:37:45.900 --> 00:37:47.340
It's these characters.

894
00:37:47.400 --> 00:37:48.480
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

895
00:37:48.539 --> 00:37:49.679
Yeah.

896
00:37:49.739 --> 00:37:52.380
But this version of Star Trek as well is just wonderful.

897
00:37:52.800 --> 00:37:56.699
Oh, I know, but you know you know the characters am I in?

898
00:37:56.760 --> 00:37:57.780
with Starshare.

899
00:37:57.840 --> 00:37:58.559
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

900
00:37:58.800 --> 00:37:59.219
Yep.

901
00:37:59.280 --> 00:38:02.280
And I pretty much would go on and watch these people doing

902
00:38:02.280 --> 00:38:02.639
anything.

903
00:38:02.699 --> 00:38:04.860
Sure, for sure.

904
00:38:04.920 --> 00:38:06.780
I love Cassio.

905
00:38:07.139 --> 00:38:09.599
Can they do the same trick twice?

906
00:38:09.659 --> 00:38:11.340
Can we have another live action?

907
00:38:11.880 --> 00:38:15.119
appearance by lower decks characters, please?

908
00:38:15.179 --> 00:38:16.800
We never be great.

909
00:38:16.800 --> 00:38:22.019
Put rubber food in the academy or something like that, you know?

910
00:38:22.079 --> 00:38:23.820
As a teacher.

911
00:38:23.940 --> 00:38:25.260
Or to Lynn.

912
00:38:25.380 --> 00:38:27.360
Oh, she's so great.

913
00:38:27.420 --> 00:38:28.860
They'd have to travel into the future.

914
00:38:28.920 --> 00:38:32.940
You know, there is talk about a sitcom, like a comedy a live

915
00:38:32.940 --> 00:38:35.639
action comedy Star Trek, which I think would work.

916
00:38:35.699 --> 00:38:38.579
Oh, this, now that he's organic.

917
00:38:38.639 --> 00:38:40.860
He's like just clearly in love with Tandy.

918
00:38:40.980 --> 00:38:44.699
And there's a motor where Talin says something really funny where

919
00:38:44.699 --> 00:38:48.480
I was unaware of your romantic affection, and then they deny it

920
00:38:48.480 --> 00:38:50.099
and it's very clearly there.

921
00:38:50.099 --> 00:38:53.940
And like they're all over each other, and this, and then Talin

922
00:38:53.940 --> 00:38:57.119
says clearly, I was mistaken, which is so funny.

923
00:38:57.179 --> 00:39:02.460
Like, again, it's like to Lynn Riley making a joke that no one

924
00:39:02.460 --> 00:39:03.539
else even notices.

925
00:39:03.599 --> 00:39:04.559
It's just excellent.

926
00:39:04.619 --> 00:39:08.699
I love the, the, uh, Mariner gets the most wonderful speech now

927
00:39:08.699 --> 00:39:11.760
about, you know, all working together and it's really lovely.

928
00:39:11.820 --> 00:39:14.820
And then they go, you sure you're okay because your mum's lit?

929
00:39:14.880 --> 00:39:17.099
Well, you know, I'll tore up my bed on fire.

930
00:39:17.159 --> 00:39:17.699
Yeah.

931
00:39:17.699 --> 00:39:20.940
I'm okay.

932
00:39:21.000 --> 00:39:24.300
We'll see Yeah, this is lovely, isn't it?

933
00:39:24.360 --> 00:39:26.219
I it's really great.

934
00:39:26.280 --> 00:39:28.019
Yeah, patchy.

935
00:39:28.800 --> 00:39:36.179
That stupid thing in, in, in, in, in, in a minute is those new

936
00:39:36.179 --> 00:39:38.219
lower decks with the sub roser candle.

937
00:39:38.280 --> 00:39:39.599
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

938
00:39:39.659 --> 00:39:41.639
They're having their own sort of seance.

939
00:39:43.559 --> 00:39:47.820
You know, the 1st episode of the new lower decks is going to be

940
00:39:47.820 --> 00:39:49.559
all about Ronan on the ship.

941
00:39:50.519 --> 00:39:53.820
Oh, this was that pod exploding.

942
00:39:53.880 --> 00:39:55.139
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

943
00:39:55.199 --> 00:39:56.760
Just get covering the big gloop.

944
00:39:56.820 --> 00:40:02.219
And then he just, he goes, he eats it and goes, hmm.

945
00:40:02.340 --> 00:40:04.019
Well, they are gourmets, you know.

946
00:40:04.079 --> 00:40:07.260
What was this all about with all these Albert Einsteins?

947
00:40:07.320 --> 00:40:12.179
No, these are Jerry Harden as what's his face?

948
00:40:12.239 --> 00:40:13.800
Samuel Clemens.

949
00:40:13.920 --> 00:40:14.940
Oh, Samuel Clemens.

950
00:40:15.059 --> 00:40:16.739
Yeah, yeah. a reference to a previous episode.

951
00:40:16.860 --> 00:40:17.940
Yeah, yeah.

952
00:40:18.000 --> 00:40:19.260
So they're sitting there.

953
00:40:19.320 --> 00:40:23.340
All these women sitting around the candle just lit.

954
00:40:23.400 --> 00:40:25.440
And then look at this hero here.

955
00:40:25.440 --> 00:40:27.539
Of them all from below.

956
00:40:27.599 --> 00:40:29.579
It isn't the only coming onto the bridge.

957
00:40:29.639 --> 00:40:30.420
It's the beginning.

958
00:40:30.480 --> 00:40:32.940
Well that's such a healthy way of looking at it.

959
00:40:33.000 --> 00:40:35.159
Oh, kick the computer, you know.

960
00:40:35.219 --> 00:40:36.360
It's all out my system.

961
00:40:36.420 --> 00:40:37.920
I mean, I don't know.

962
00:40:37.920 --> 00:40:39.239
Was it still burning?

963
00:40:39.300 --> 00:40:43.199
And then she says the cheekiest thing of all. tune in and find out

964
00:40:43.500 --> 00:40:46.619
We can't, you bitch.

965
00:40:46.679 --> 00:40:47.280
Uh-oh.

966
00:40:47.699 --> 00:40:49.320
So good.

967
00:40:49.500 --> 00:40:51.480
Oh dear.

968
00:40:51.539 --> 00:40:54.780
Never let you detonate the warp core.

969
00:40:54.840 --> 00:40:55.260
Oh man.

970
00:40:55.320 --> 00:40:57.360
And he's instantly a dick.

971
00:40:57.420 --> 00:41:00.420
I mean, he's more likeable and he supports mariner here and all

972
00:41:00.420 --> 00:41:03.599
the mariner conflict with ransom is kind of addressed.

973
00:41:03.659 --> 00:41:09.300
Um, and like everyone gets a sort of, what's it, Dr. Miglimo?

974
00:41:09.360 --> 00:41:10.619
Yes, it was.

975
00:41:13.019 --> 00:41:15.599
What was the viscosity?

976
00:41:16.500 --> 00:41:18.119
doesn't have anything nice to say.

977
00:41:18.179 --> 00:41:19.079
It's so perfect.

978
00:41:19.139 --> 00:41:22.559
Just the 2 perfect things for the 2 of them to say together they

979
00:41:22.559 --> 00:41:26.760
make a perfect senior science officer and now they're off into the

980
00:41:26.760 --> 00:41:28.380
distance.

981
00:41:28.440 --> 00:41:31.320
And I love how they try and prevent ransom from coming up with a

982
00:41:31.320 --> 00:41:32.219
catchphrase.

983
00:41:32.280 --> 00:41:33.659
I have people complaining.

984
00:41:33.719 --> 00:41:36.300
You hear people complaining about how every captain has to have a

985
00:41:36.300 --> 00:41:41.820
catchphrase, you know, let's fly for, um, uh, for Sanita. see

986
00:41:41.820 --> 00:41:42.420
what's out there.

987
00:41:42.480 --> 00:41:44.340
No, it's like engage.

988
00:41:44.400 --> 00:41:46.079
It's like the equivalent of engage, you know?

989
00:41:46.079 --> 00:41:47.460
Well, Cisco's.

990
00:41:47.519 --> 00:41:48.119
Fire.

991
00:41:48.119 --> 00:41:52.619
No, no, in 90s trek in 90s trek. not 90s track in this version of

992
00:41:52.619 --> 00:41:53.940
track in Kurtzman track.

993
00:41:54.000 --> 00:42:00.420
So, um, Anson Mount has hit it, you know, um, and he's just going

994
00:42:00.420 --> 00:42:04.619
to be engaged the core, which they kind of say, no, no, no, maybe

995
00:42:04.619 --> 00:42:07.920
it could just emerge naturally during the course of our new show.

996
00:42:07.980 --> 00:42:11.099
You know, you don't have to come up with it now and they get

997
00:42:11.099 --> 00:42:12.659
really cross into how terrible it is.

998
00:42:13.320 --> 00:42:17.579
Another way this is perfect is it leaves you wanting more.

999
00:42:17.639 --> 00:42:19.320
These too, get shot.

1000
00:42:19.380 --> 00:42:24.360
The shot, the window and like, and the, oh.

1001
00:42:25.260 --> 00:42:30.059
And both of the Freemans kind of toasting the Cerritos as it

1002
00:42:30.059 --> 00:42:30.300
goes.

1003
00:42:30.360 --> 00:42:32.639
You don't want to sound...

1004
00:42:32.699 --> 00:42:34.199
You know what it sound forced?

1005
00:42:35.340 --> 00:42:38.219
Don't make this all live, sir, please.

1006
00:42:38.280 --> 00:42:40.380
What if this is a five-year mission?

1007
00:42:40.440 --> 00:42:41.940
Engage the call.

1008
00:42:42.000 --> 00:42:43.800
Come on, you don't want to set up that turn.

1009
00:42:43.860 --> 00:42:45.659
It's great isn't it?

1010
00:42:47.280 --> 00:42:49.679
Oh, terrific.

1011
00:42:49.739 --> 00:42:51.599
Yeah, that was wonderful, wasn't it?

1012
00:42:51.659 --> 00:42:52.500
What a run.

1013
00:42:52.559 --> 00:42:53.400
What a try out.

1014
00:42:53.519 --> 00:42:55.920
Oh, it really does leave you want him more, though.

1015
00:42:55.980 --> 00:42:57.780
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1016
00:42:57.840 --> 00:42:59.519
Massive. and you know what?

1017
00:42:59.579 --> 00:43:03.539
Like, they, I can see why they ended here.

1018
00:43:03.599 --> 00:43:07.739
I absolutely can, is that they've given us what, 50 episodes in

1019
00:43:07.739 --> 00:43:10.500
total, you know, of a really good standard.

1020
00:43:11.219 --> 00:43:14.880
But they could have just kept churning them out, right?

1021
00:43:15.599 --> 00:43:18.000
Well, you never know.

1022
00:43:18.059 --> 00:43:23.039
I did take a look at the memory alpha page and it had Mike McMahon

1023
00:43:23.039 --> 00:43:26.699
being interviewed and talking about spinoffs and characters that

1024
00:43:26.699 --> 00:43:30.000
he started to introduce a little bit more like Ollie and stuff.

1025
00:43:30.059 --> 00:43:34.139
And clearly, you know, it sounded like he wasn't averse to

1026
00:43:34.139 --> 00:43:36.360
revisiting this as an idea.

1027
00:43:36.420 --> 00:43:42.900
But everything ends and I'm really happy that we have this forever

1028
00:43:42.900 --> 00:43:45.840
to kind of go back to because it's really properly grade.

1029
00:43:45.900 --> 00:43:50.579
I think you should go out at your best.

1030
00:43:50.639 --> 00:43:51.300
Yeah, yeah.

1031
00:43:51.360 --> 00:43:53.400
And not limp to a conclusion.

1032
00:43:53.460 --> 00:43:58.380
Now, I think Next Generation went out a year after it should have

1033
00:43:58.380 --> 00:44:02.579
done, I think Voyager went out probably 2 years after it should

1034
00:44:02.579 --> 00:44:02.940
have done.

1035
00:44:03.000 --> 00:44:07.380
I think DS9 got it about right, like it went out, it went out when

1036
00:44:07.380 --> 00:44:10.920
all of those sort of plots were culminating and in a really

1037
00:44:10.920 --> 00:44:11.639
exciting way.

1038
00:44:11.760 --> 00:44:14.099
Enterprise went out too early.

1039
00:44:14.159 --> 00:44:16.980
That's probably the one that went out too early.

1040
00:44:17.099 --> 00:44:21.780
Picard absolutely, I think, was at the right point and in the

1041
00:44:21.780 --> 00:44:22.920
right way as well.

1042
00:44:23.039 --> 00:44:25.019
Discovery.

1043
00:44:25.019 --> 00:44:27.420
Maybe Discovery should have gone a year earlier.

1044
00:44:27.539 --> 00:44:33.000
Well, I really like series 5, though, I have to say, but as I said

1045
00:44:33.000 --> 00:44:37.440
to you, the problem with it is that they've had COVID and like the

1046
00:44:37.440 --> 00:44:41.820
production of discovery is longer than the production of any other

1047
00:44:41.820 --> 00:44:46.320
Star Trek series and they just start to lose people and they do

1048
00:44:46.320 --> 00:44:49.559
get people back, but you know, Saru is marginalised by it.

1049
00:44:49.619 --> 00:44:50.639
We get Tilly back.

1050
00:44:50.699 --> 00:44:53.039
You know, we get a deer back properly.

1051
00:44:53.099 --> 00:44:55.079
Second week 4 was such a high standard.

1052
00:44:55.139 --> 00:44:59.099
But maybe you should go out at your absolute best, you know?

1053
00:44:59.159 --> 00:45:03.420
But 5 was fun, and I do think 5 does the same thing.

1054
00:45:03.480 --> 00:45:04.800
I think you saw it, didn't you?

1055
00:45:04.860 --> 00:45:09.719
You saw the coda where she's a little bit older and, you know

1056
00:45:09.719 --> 00:45:11.280
she's still with Bork and stuff.

1057
00:45:11.340 --> 00:45:13.980
And I, like, I thought that was pretty good and her getting to say

1058
00:45:13.980 --> 00:45:16.079
a final goodbye to Discovery and stuff.

1059
00:45:16.139 --> 00:45:18.960
So like, I don't know.

1060
00:45:19.019 --> 00:45:21.960
It's probably the highest endorsement that I could give lower

1061
00:45:21.960 --> 00:45:25.860
decks is had it gone on for a 6th or a 7th season.

1062
00:45:25.980 --> 00:45:30.480
I can absolutely confirm I would be saying, absolutely go out on a

1063
00:45:30.480 --> 00:45:30.840
high.

1064
00:45:30.900 --> 00:45:31.860
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1065
00:45:31.860 --> 00:45:32.519
That's right.

1066
00:45:32.579 --> 00:45:36.900
Because it just didn't go down below being on a high, you know?

1067
00:45:37.019 --> 00:45:39.599
It's funny now though, isn't it?

1068
00:45:39.659 --> 00:45:44.519
Because there isn't any Star Trek until, well, next month, actually

1069
00:45:44.519 --> 00:45:46.019
now that I think about it.

1070
00:45:46.079 --> 00:45:50.400
We're getting a new series, I think, next month of Strange New

1071
00:45:50.400 --> 00:45:53.940
Worlds, which is hugely exciting because, you know, I just think

1072
00:45:53.940 --> 00:45:58.800
it's incredible, like a great Star Trek series. easily the most

1073
00:45:58.800 --> 00:46:00.900
popular thing that they've done in Cosman Train.

1074
00:46:00.960 --> 00:46:05.519
Yeah, and maybe the, you know, apart from this, it's definitely of

1075
00:46:05.519 --> 00:46:10.619
the how many we've had 3 live action shows, you know, it's clearly

1076
00:46:10.619 --> 00:46:15.119
the most consistent and successful one.

1077
00:46:15.179 --> 00:46:19.199
And, you know, like next year, I think we still definitely have

1078
00:46:19.199 --> 00:46:23.880
another Star Trek coming with Star Fleet Academy set in the 31st

1079
00:46:23.880 --> 00:46:24.420
century.

1080
00:46:24.480 --> 00:46:28.260
So there's more Star Trek coming, but there was a sort of just a

1081
00:46:28.260 --> 00:46:30.900
glorious moment where there was just a lot of Star Trek happening

1082
00:46:30.900 --> 00:46:35.639
and we seem to kind of be past that now, which is a bit of a

1083
00:46:35.639 --> 00:46:35.820
shame.

1084
00:46:35.880 --> 00:46:38.760
We had that period with Doctor Who, didn't we?

1085
00:46:38.820 --> 00:46:43.440
When it came back in 2005 and there was 2 spinoff shows as well.

1086
00:46:43.500 --> 00:46:46.260
And there was this glut of the Doctor Who universe.

1087
00:46:46.380 --> 00:46:48.719
And then that sort of wound down a little bit.

1088
00:46:48.780 --> 00:46:52.139
And then Star Trek came along and there was a glut of Star Trek.

1089
00:46:52.139 --> 00:46:54.780
And now that started winding down a little bit again.

1090
00:46:54.840 --> 00:46:56.519
Ooh, I wonder what's coming next.

1091
00:47:03.179 --> 00:47:07.199
All right, it's the end of the episode and it's time for us to

1092
00:47:07.199 --> 00:47:09.119
find out where we're going next.

1093
00:47:09.179 --> 00:47:14.760
We have had 2 pretty excellent weeks of some very high quality

1094
00:47:14.760 --> 00:47:16.079
Kurtzman tracks.

1095
00:47:16.139 --> 00:47:19.019
So I suppose it's time to watch something terrible.

1096
00:47:19.500 --> 00:47:24.840
Yes, I can almost guarantee that it's going to be shockingly

1097
00:47:24.840 --> 00:47:27.179
terrible compared to what we just watched.

1098
00:47:27.239 --> 00:47:31.500
We're heading to Voyager, USS Voyager.

1099
00:47:31.559 --> 00:47:32.940
We do.

1100
00:47:33.000 --> 00:47:34.860
I mean, I love it even when it's really bad.

1101
00:47:34.920 --> 00:47:39.059
Except maybe course oblivion, which is awful.

1102
00:47:39.119 --> 00:47:39.960
Oh, and threshold.

1103
00:47:40.019 --> 00:47:41.460
That was unforgivable.

1104
00:47:41.519 --> 00:47:42.780
Yeah, but we've done both of those.

1105
00:47:42.840 --> 00:47:44.699
They can't hurt us anymore.

1106
00:47:44.760 --> 00:47:48.659
I mean, we're in pretty much safe territory unless I choose a

1107
00:47:48.659 --> 00:47:54.239
Harry Kim, a Chakotay, or Tom Paris episode, but that is half the

1108
00:47:54.239 --> 00:47:54.599
rum.

1109
00:47:56.219 --> 00:47:58.860
All right, I'm feeling brave.

1110
00:47:58.920 --> 00:48:03.000
Now, come on, let's channel good vibes and see what we get.

1111
00:48:03.059 --> 00:48:03.780
Okay.

1112
00:48:04.260 --> 00:48:06.000
Oh shit.

1113
00:48:09.059 --> 00:48:13.679
Well, no need to go any further if we're looking for a really shit

1114
00:48:13.679 --> 00:48:15.000
episode.

1115
00:48:15.059 --> 00:48:18.719
So the danger is that I'm going to insist that we do it, right?

1116
00:48:18.780 --> 00:48:20.639
Is that why you said, 0 shit?

1117
00:48:20.760 --> 00:48:21.539
Yes.

1118
00:48:21.599 --> 00:48:27.239
No, FBI is really, truly, diabolically, okay.

1119
00:48:27.300 --> 00:48:27.900
All right.

1120
00:48:28.739 --> 00:48:34.739
Your random Star Trek Voyager episode is season six, episode five

1121
00:48:34.739 --> 00:48:35.940
Alice.

1122
00:48:36.000 --> 00:48:39.300
Oh, I don't really even know this.

1123
00:48:39.360 --> 00:48:41.280
I've definitely seen it.

1124
00:48:41.340 --> 00:48:43.739
So how is Christine, isn't it?

1125
00:48:43.800 --> 00:48:45.539
Christine, right?

1126
00:48:45.659 --> 00:48:50.820
Tom Paris makes an evil spaceship with a sexy eviction who's as

1127
00:48:50.820 --> 00:48:52.079
sexy as a wet fish.

1128
00:48:52.860 --> 00:48:54.480
Brilliant.

1129
00:48:54.539 --> 00:48:55.320
That sounds awesome.

1130
00:48:55.440 --> 00:48:59.579
Tom, you know you love to stroke my reactors.

1131
00:48:59.639 --> 00:49:01.679
You know, she says lions like that.

1132
00:49:01.739 --> 00:49:03.960
And Balana gets jealous.

1133
00:49:05.940 --> 00:49:08.159
Oh, come on, let's do it.

1134
00:49:08.219 --> 00:49:09.659
I was like, okay, all right.

1135
00:49:09.659 --> 00:49:11.880
Jesus, probably coming right.

1136
00:49:11.880 --> 00:49:16.079
And he gets to do like loads of his like, you know, but I don't

1137
00:49:16.079 --> 00:49:16.860
listen to me.

1138
00:49:19.619 --> 00:49:22.199
That's my favourite thing that he does.

1139
00:49:22.260 --> 00:49:26.880
And we know he's in Dire Straits by the end of the episode because

1140
00:49:26.880 --> 00:49:28.260
he's got a bit of scruff.

1141
00:49:28.320 --> 00:49:30.659
That's the only way they show it visually.

1142
00:49:30.719 --> 00:49:32.760
Yeah, all right.

1143
00:49:32.820 --> 00:49:34.920
Oh, is it is it feeding off his life force?

1144
00:49:35.099 --> 00:49:37.019
I can't remember.

1145
00:49:37.079 --> 00:49:41.039
I do remember there's a bit where he walks out of the cargo bay

1146
00:49:41.039 --> 00:49:41.280
right?

1147
00:49:41.340 --> 00:49:42.960
It's like, well, see you in the morning, Alice.

1148
00:49:43.019 --> 00:49:46.860
This is before, you know, she's materialised as his sexy vixen.

1149
00:49:46.920 --> 00:49:48.300
She's so unsexy.

1150
00:49:48.420 --> 00:49:49.019
Just you wait.

1151
00:49:49.920 --> 00:49:54.239
And then the camera lingers back into the cargo bay.

1152
00:49:54.239 --> 00:49:57.119
And you know, you're just waiting for it, like in Christine, the

1153
00:49:57.119 --> 00:49:57.420
film.

1154
00:49:57.480 --> 00:50:00.179
It all lights up. da da.

1155
00:50:01.860 --> 00:50:03.000
Oh, no.

1156
00:50:03.119 --> 00:50:08.940
Well, we've recently done a horror episode in season 6 of Star

1157
00:50:08.940 --> 00:50:09.900
Trek 4, haven't we?

1158
00:50:09.960 --> 00:50:10.860
The haunting of deck 12.

1159
00:50:11.099 --> 00:50:13.199
Yeah, that wasn't that terrible though.

1160
00:50:13.260 --> 00:50:14.639
I thought it was quite good. actually.

1161
00:50:14.699 --> 00:50:18.420
I would like you to try and find the same positivity that you

1162
00:50:18.420 --> 00:50:20.460
found for that episode for this one.

1163
00:50:20.519 --> 00:50:25.079
Okay, I will do my best, but given that the worst Robert is the

1164
00:50:25.079 --> 00:50:26.219
lead.

1165
00:50:26.340 --> 00:50:28.739
I think the outcome is more or less certain.

1166
00:50:28.800 --> 00:50:30.179
I think you're right.

1167
00:50:38.519 --> 00:50:42.420
You've been listening to entitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford

1168
00:50:42.420 --> 00:50:43.619
and Nathan Bottomley.

1169
00:50:43.679 --> 00:50:47.519
We're online at Untitled Star Trek Project.com, where you can find

1170
00:50:47.519 --> 00:50:50.460
subscription links and links to our social media accounts.

1171
00:50:50.519 --> 00:50:54.960
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Citron, and the theme was composed

1172
00:50:54.960 --> 00:50:56.699
by Cameron Lamb.

1173
00:50:56.760 --> 00:51:01.440
This episode was recorded on the 20th of May 2025 and released on

1174
00:51:01.440 --> 00:51:02.760
the 23rd of May.

1175
00:51:02.820 --> 00:51:06.780
We'll see you next time for Star Trek Voyager, Alice.

1176
00:51:22.380 --> 00:51:24.840
Oh, man, it's ghastly.

1177
00:51:25.380 --> 00:51:29.039
I can almost guarantee this one is really bad.

1178
00:51:29.099 --> 00:51:29.880
Really bad.

1179
00:51:29.940 --> 00:51:31.079
I'm going to.

1180
00:51:31.139 --> 00:51:34.139
I just remember the woman playing Alice.

1181
00:51:34.260 --> 00:51:37.139
It's really wooden.

1182
00:51:37.199 --> 00:51:41.099
You need like a proper vixen in that role, you know?

1183
00:51:41.219 --> 00:51:43.559
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1184
00:51:43.679 --> 00:51:44.940
Oh, excellent.

1185
00:51:45.000 --> 00:51:45.360
Wait.

1186
00:51:45.420 --> 00:51:46.800
So my keyboard come back.

1187
00:51:46.860 --> 00:51:47.639
Memory alpha.

1188
00:51:48.239 --> 00:51:49.860
Alice.

1189
00:51:51.360 --> 00:51:53.579
I just want to see her.

1190
00:51:53.639 --> 00:51:55.440
There'll be a picture of her, won't there?

1191
00:51:55.559 --> 00:51:57.059
There should be.

1192
00:51:57.179 --> 00:52:01.739
No, Alice Wicki, dedicated to American McGee.

1193
00:52:01.800 --> 00:52:03.480
Yeah, she is, the worst video game series.

1194
00:52:03.539 --> 00:52:04.139
Oh, wait a minute.

1195
00:52:04.199 --> 00:52:04.800
There she is.

1196
00:52:04.860 --> 00:52:06.119
Nathan.

1197
00:52:09.179 --> 00:52:11.340
Oh no, that's terrible.

1198
00:52:11.400 --> 00:52:12.539
What's happening there?

1199
00:52:12.599 --> 00:52:14.519
She looks quite cross.

1200
00:52:14.639 --> 00:52:19.079
Teleplay by Brian Fuller, though, co-creator of Star Trek

1201
00:52:19.079 --> 00:52:22.019
Discovery, and directed by David Livingston.

1202
00:52:22.079 --> 00:52:25.139
Everyone's go-to director for just who gives a shit.

1203
00:52:25.199 --> 00:52:27.179
Let's let's get David to do it.

1204
00:52:27.840 --> 00:52:29.639
Terrible.

1205
00:52:29.639 --> 00:52:30.539
Oh, no, look.

1206
00:52:30.599 --> 00:52:34.019
It looks like they made the Alice model look.

1207
00:52:34.559 --> 00:52:35.699
Oh, can you buy it?

1208
00:52:35.760 --> 00:52:36.900
So he makes it.

1209
00:52:36.960 --> 00:52:40.920
I can see he's got scruff there and she's torturing him or

1210
00:52:40.920 --> 00:52:42.360
possibly edging him.

1211
00:52:42.420 --> 00:52:43.920
I can't actually tell.

1212
00:52:43.980 --> 00:52:46.679
Yeah, she is all seducing him in that bit.

1213
00:52:46.800 --> 00:52:47.519
Okay.

1214
00:52:47.579 --> 00:52:48.599
Oh, this is a bit there.

1215
00:52:48.659 --> 00:52:50.340
Look, where he's going, no.

1216
00:52:50.880 --> 00:52:52.079
Let me come.

1217
00:52:52.139 --> 00:52:53.760
Okay, no, sorry.

1218
00:52:54.480 --> 00:52:58.679
Oh, I can't believe there's a scene where Bilana's like, you're

1219
00:52:58.679 --> 00:53:00.659
spending too much time with that spaceship.

1220
00:53:00.719 --> 00:53:01.559
Oh, God.

1221
00:53:01.559 --> 00:53:03.900
Like, and she's so good.

1222
00:53:03.960 --> 00:53:07.019
Why do they waste her on stupid crap like that?

1223
00:53:07.079 --> 00:53:10.260
You know how much fun we have with the bad ones, though.

1224
00:53:10.260 --> 00:53:11.219
Yeah.

1225
00:53:11.280 --> 00:53:12.480
Especially at night is trek.

1226
00:53:12.599 --> 00:53:13.320
I know, I know.

1227
00:53:13.380 --> 00:53:13.920
I know.

1228
00:53:13.980 --> 00:53:18.179
Yeah, we have had 2 ones after a really abysmal one.

1229
00:53:18.239 --> 00:53:19.260
Yeah.

1230
00:53:19.320 --> 00:53:21.840
So I'll hit right has been one bat.

1231
00:53:21.840 --> 00:53:23.639
Two superb ones.

1232
00:53:23.699 --> 00:53:25.139
One bad. one terrible one.

1233
00:53:25.679 --> 00:53:29.460
We should try and get some of these average ones done, you know.

1234
00:53:29.519 --> 00:53:31.260
That's all that's gonna be left at the end.

1235
00:53:31.320 --> 00:53:31.980
I know.

1236
00:53:32.039 --> 00:53:33.420
That's part of the problem, is it?

1237
00:53:33.480 --> 00:53:34.739
Like we really want to do the good one.

1238
00:53:34.800 --> 00:53:36.719
I think sometimes we do pick average ones.

1239
00:53:36.780 --> 00:53:40.380
We have done darkling after all, the quintessentially average

1240
00:53:40.380 --> 00:53:43.199
episode of Voyager.

1241
00:53:43.440 --> 00:53:48.659
I have to rename ourselves halfway through the run of untitled mid

1242
00:53:47.880 --> 00:53:51.300
Star Trek or something like that mid-Star Trek Project.

1243
00:53:51.360 --> 00:53:53.760
Unremarkable Star Trek Project.

1244
00:53:53.820 --> 00:53:57.239
Oh, there's a few.

1245
00:53:57.360 --> 00:53:58.500
All right.

1246
00:53:58.619 --> 00:53:59.099
Okay.

1247
00:53:59.159 --> 00:53:59.880
Alice.

1248
00:53:59.880 --> 00:54:01.739
It's the thing.

1249
00:54:01.800 --> 00:54:03.300
Expect messages.

1250
00:54:03.840 --> 00:54:07.500
Well, I kind of I sort of want to watch it now, except I'm really

1251
00:54:07.500 --> 00:54:07.920
tired.

1252
00:54:07.980 --> 00:54:08.820
I have to go to bed.

1253
00:54:08.880 --> 00:54:14.760
I remember there's a very camp man in it. called Abidon, I think.

1254
00:54:14.880 --> 00:54:17.280
Yeah, Abaddon is one of the names of the devil.

1255
00:54:17.340 --> 00:54:21.659
There is a character called Abaddon. is he's like the secondhand

1256
00:54:21.659 --> 00:54:22.739
dealer or something?

1257
00:54:22.800 --> 00:54:28.139
Yeah, but he's got like a shootskin coat and it's like, oh, yes

1258
00:54:28.139 --> 00:54:32.159
you can have this ship on me, you know, it's just trying to get

1259
00:54:32.159 --> 00:54:32.579
rid of her.

1260
00:54:32.699 --> 00:54:34.440
And then they go back to him later.

1261
00:54:34.440 --> 00:54:36.239
And then she starts trying to seduce Abbott.

1262
00:54:36.300 --> 00:54:37.019
Oh, just terrible.

1263
00:54:37.079 --> 00:54:37.980
That sounds awful.

1264
00:54:38.039 --> 00:54:38.760
Is he gay, though?

1265
00:54:38.820 --> 00:54:40.619
She can't seduce him because he's a big game.

1266
00:54:40.679 --> 00:54:48.119
It's interesting because that comes just after Ron Moore ditches

1267
00:54:48.119 --> 00:54:49.619
Voyager.

1268
00:54:49.679 --> 00:54:55.260
So you have those 4 episodes, um, the 2nd half of Equinox, survival

1269
00:54:55.260 --> 00:54:59.159
instinct, Bulge of the Dead, and Tinker Tenor, Doctor Spy.

1270
00:54:59.219 --> 00:55:03.960
And I can just remember this huge lift of like, oh, my god.

1271
00:55:04.019 --> 00:55:05.940
It's finally got its back together.

1272
00:55:06.119 --> 00:55:10.980
And then after Alice, it's riddles, which is the one where Chewbok

1273
00:55:10.980 --> 00:55:14.940
loses his memory and Neelix has to teach him...

1274
00:55:15.000 --> 00:55:16.800
Oh, yeah, it is really bad.

1275
00:55:16.860 --> 00:55:20.820
Is it as bad as fucking the Changeling with Ahura?

1276
00:55:21.000 --> 00:55:22.320
No.

1277
00:55:22.380 --> 00:55:23.579
Nothing's quiet.

1278
00:55:23.639 --> 00:55:24.780
I think it's quite as bad as that.

1279
00:55:24.840 --> 00:55:25.320
Yeah.

1280
00:55:25.320 --> 00:55:25.860
Yeah.