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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So, we are watching an incredibly recent episode of Star Trek.

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This is from the 28th of November 2024.

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So something like a bit less than 6 months ago, it's lower deck

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series 5, episode seven, fully dilated, which I think is a direct

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quote from the dialogue of Star Trek, the Next Generation's

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Disaster.

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Um, and uh, this is obviously from Lower Deck's final series.

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So Lower Decks finished late last year. and is sorely missed.

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But it...

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Yeah, yeah.

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But it is kind of 50 episodes of really excellent Star Trek that

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we have at our disposal now.

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I really enjoyed this episode.

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It's very cartoony, but it is also a Star Trek episode, like a

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kind of solid Star Trek episode.

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Very cartoony.

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What do you expect from a cartoon?

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Yeah.

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No, cartoon in a very good way.

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You know, one of the things that Lower Decks does is that it

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always makes the episodes about relationships among the regular

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characters, because that's kind of the genre.

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So the characters always have to learn something about themselves

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or about themselves in relation to each other.

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And that's just a standard trope of all of these episodes, I think

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of them just seem to be about the science fiction, particularly.

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It very much is about how it affects the characters.

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And so here we have Tendi and Talin.

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Uh, you've got Tendi and Talim competing to be the senior science

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officer and Tendi kind of going crazy and taking it too far and

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losing her shit and then discovering that of course the 2 of them

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have to do the job together.

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I don't think anybody went into lower decks expecting what you

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just said there. you know, consistently good, enjoyable, likeable

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and characterisation that progresses throughout the series and

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relationships that you.

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I don't think anyone expected any that.

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I think when they heard it was going to be a Star Trek cartoon

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they just figured it was going to be people licking sauce off the

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consoles.

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Like we're getting this episode.

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So I guess I understand what you mean by cartoony.

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I realise going into this, I think I'm far more in tune with this

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pace than I am with regular Star Trek, because it used to be that

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I'd watch, you know, our live action Star Trek, and then I'd watch

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this and suddenly everyone's talking very fast in a very

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cartoonist sort of way.

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Now, I watch this and I go, ah, God, the no talk slow on the live

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action shows.

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Pick up the pace a bit.

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They do it all in 25 minutes over here.

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But I came away from this episode like I do most.

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Oh, oh, without fail. with a big smile on my face, with at least

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one surprising moment from a character that was heartwarming.

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That's another thing this show does really well is because those

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central characters, we said this about Rome in DS9, is it's so

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nice to have characters and Lisa, that are just nice, you know?

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And then when horrible things happen to him, you really care.

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And when good things happen to them, it makes your heart sing.

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So at the end of this episode where Talin reveals what she's

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actually been doing the whole time for TenD.

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It's just gorgeous.

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Like, she's a great character, isn't she?

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It's eskewing all of that bullshit that Enterprise did. with the

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with the Vulcans in those early seasons.

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I'm turning them into, you know, spiteful, nasty racist villains

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for the most part.

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Like they were holding people back and everyone was cross with

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them all the time.

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And then in this show, right at the heart of the crew, you got

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this gorgeous Vulcan character.

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And we've done 2 episodes now, and in both of them, she surprised

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me.

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And I was thinking, oh, God, you know, in this she's competitive

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in that one.

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What was she doing?

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destroying the show.

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Yeah.

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For Rutherford's sake.

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Like she considers Rutherford's feelings and that she realises

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that Rutherford doesn't want to finish making the little shuttle.

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And so she destroys it so that he and Tendi still have something

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to do when they get back together.

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And so she's sensitive to his feelings.

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And then here she's trying to kind of patch things up with Tandy

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who's being a dick. totally misinterpret what she's doing.

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Exactly.

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And the wonderful thing is, like, Tandy is so great.

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Like, we've talked about how Dawn Lewis is kind of a brilliant

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cartoon character is the captain, where she's sort of an adult, but

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it's also kind of played slightly childishly and like a cartoon

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character and it's exaggerated and stuff like that.

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But she's still like a sort of proper captain.

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The great thing about Tendee, is she's really sweet and terribly

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enthusiastic, but she's also kind of on the edge of hysteria, you

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know, but she...

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Yeah, she takes things too far sometimes.

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And so here we have her just being crazy because she's so

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desperate to become the senior science officer.

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And her design to become the senior science officer is just a

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lovely character thing because she loves science and she's a giant

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nerd.

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But it also fits in with that stuff from earlier in the season.

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Do you know what I mean?

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Where she couldn't serve on board the Cerritos because she had to

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do things at home as, you know, mistress of the winter

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constellations.

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And so, like, it enriched that a little bit more, and there's a

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little bit of sort of reference to that here.

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And just all of that stuff is so great.

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Like, the setting is really good.

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The setting is proper classic Star Trek, you know, like the planet

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that looks like... indoor outdoor sets that we normally get in.

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No, it is straight.

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The best joke in this, though, was the chief lurker, the man who

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always turns up going, what are you doing?

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This is all very suspicious behaviour.

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No, I'm sorry, go and watch 90 Streke.

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Every time they beat him somewhere.

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Do you remember that?

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That fucking little kid in time and again?

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Yeah.

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Do you remember when they beamed down there to see as the one

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avoid you?

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that goofy kid going, ugh.

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What are you doing here?

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Strangers.

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He's basically that character.

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Oh, he's so funny.

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He is really hilarious.

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Doesn't Mariner say you always get a lurker like this when you're

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in a carbon creek kind of situation?

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Carbon Creek?

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Oh, the mentions of other episodes are off the scale in this.

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We'll miss some because they come thick and fast.

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But I actually felt that it wasn't quite as jokey and not quite as

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dependent.

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I mean, despite the fact that you have a big guest turn for Brent

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Spiner.

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Like, it's not quite as dependent on the other Star Trek.

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Like it is still telling a Star Trek story, even though elements

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of it are really preposterous and stuff.

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You've got the time dilation thing, you've got them, you know

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having to do science, things to survive on this planet.

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But it's about the people.

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It's about their relationships.

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And that's my in.

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You know that.

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Star Trek to talk to anything is do I care about the people?

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I don't give a shit about the Taylor babble.

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Do I care about the people?

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Yeah, I really do.

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I kept waiting for this episode to be something bigger than it

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was.

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I said to you, the 2nd they found the date ahead, I was like, oh

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God, well, it's law, you know, and it's going to be your evil

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something terrible.

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It's all part of some master plan.

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No, none of it.

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Not at all.

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It just plays out in a very gentle way.

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And there are bigger episodes of Lower Decks.

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So, you know, they do do spectacle, but this is a, uh, and I don't

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mean this in a critical way.

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This is a mid-level lower decks episode that just fires all of

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those entertainment shots that you and I love about this show.

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Oh, let's go watch it.

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Yeah, wonderful.

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I've yet to be disappointed, you know, by lower decks.

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All the other shows, you know, even DS9 let me down like a few

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times.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Well, to be fair, they were putting out quite a lot of Deep Space

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Nine.

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That is true.

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Quite a short amount of time.

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In terms of runtime, you know, the difference between DS9 and

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lower decks is extraordinary.

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It is extraordinary.

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Yeah.

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All right.

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I will count us in.

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Five, four, three, two, one, and we're off.

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I've got to be honest, Nathan.

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I mean, I admitted to this to you off camera, but I think I should

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probably say it now, is there was a point in this episode where 2

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cartoon characters had their tops off and I was coming over a bit

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hot and bothered.

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I don't know what that says about me.

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But that's a thing, right?

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People do fancy cartoon characters.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Oh, absolutely.

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No, that's the thing that happens to me all the time.

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So we're, this is the ongoing plot for this season which there

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there are fishes between our universes, you know, like the

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alternative universe versus, uh, we've had a purple version of the

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Enterprise, which has just gone through the fisher.

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We just missed Nick.

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And we noticed that...

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Yeah, we didn't get to see it, but it has left something behind on

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this nearby...

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Excuse me.

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Did you not hear?

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They were battling clones of Tashiar.

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Yes, yeah, or whatever she says, I can't keep up.

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Do you know what's so sad though, right?

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I didn't realise this was an ongoing story arc because every

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fucking episode we go up to a anomaly anyway, so like it's there

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could just be a standalone this.

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So what happens in the 1st episode, they meet an alternative

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Cerritos, and that has a much cooler Brad Boimler on it, and

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Boimler steals a pad from that Boimler.

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It's the red pad that he...

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Oh, they refer to it in there.

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And that's why he's growing the beard.

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He takes all season to grow the beard.

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Notice that hot little, um, Rutherford is growing a Geordie, uh

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lifestyle beard.

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At this point.

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The actor must be getting married next week.

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But they have a conversation, don't they?

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Where, uh, we talk about how great Rutherford's beard looks and

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how he's going, I've been getting compliments and Boimlig is

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yeah.

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I haven't been getting compliments because he's got these crappy

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bum fluffy. you know?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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By the end of the season, it's pretty respectable looking, but it

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does take him a whole season to grow it.

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It's very much at the bum fluff stage at this story.

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Yeah, it's pretty terrible.

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It does look pretty terrible.

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I just love the fact that there's all these alternative you do

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earth with different coloured enterprises.

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Well, that whole, that whole alternative universe is mostly purple

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it's much purpler than our universe.

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And when data learns that our enterprise is gray.

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He says, oh, that's a strange choice given that purple was an

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option. was always an option.

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Now, here's something in the credits that we're about to see, where

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it says lower deck.

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See, there's that blue stuff going off into the distance.

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Like the...

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That's the season 5 Star Trek, the next generation thing.

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This is season 5 of Star Trek Lower Death.

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And this show where they've been adding things every season.

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This was the bit.

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This was the bit that wasn't part of the episode when the Foley

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and Web came over everything.

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I just screamed out.

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There's Vja comes in at the end.

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Oh, I was like, that fellow, you...

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There's like, you need to pause to take in the detail that's just

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Borg and Romulans in the 1st series.

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And then they added silicon avatars and they added the, you know

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the thing from Star Trek 4 and all of that.

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Do you know, I always forget that that alien is sucking the arse

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of the serios in that.

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Every time I forget.

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And then when he comes into shock, that makes me how.

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That alien appears on the strange new world title sequence in the

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episode where Boimer and Marina turn up on the Enterprise.

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This joke where she's having to, you know, turn them into the

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natives of this species.

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Dr. Tana.

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She goes, I don't know, whatever this shit I'm doing is I did not

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sign up for this.

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I was like, yes, we need the doctor.

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We need Dr. Beverly to say these lines in the world.

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Whatever the fuck I'm doing here.

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She goes.

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Oh bless them.

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Where, where, Tana says the whole planet's gonna smell like dog

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shit.

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And then she says, oh no, it'll be fine.

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And then at the end, she says, do you want me to cauterise your

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set receptor?

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She says, yes, that would be great.

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I don't know what they're drinking but it's got shrimp come out.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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It looks miserable.

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Is that from his pad?

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That's a recipe.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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This is something that that the other Brad Boynler would have

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drunk.

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Don't you love as well?

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But in order for them to fit in on this planet, they've done the

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lazy 90s trek thing, I've just given them a pair of horns. just a

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bit of latex on their heads.

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Yeah, it's really wonderful.

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So they basically boimler now, right?

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They don't leave the transporter pad because they spill their

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shrimp juice all over the console and we just keep cutting back to

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them because there's a time dilation effect. brilliant, isn't it?

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This scene just plays out across the episode.

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Think about, think about the Empire Strikes Back, right?

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Where a whole heap of stuff happens to Leia and Hahn over the

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course of a day or 2 while they're being pursued by the imperial

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fleet.

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Somehow, Luke is spending at the same time like weeks and weeks

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learning from Coda, but we cut back between them and none of that

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makes any sense.

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Here, because of the time dilation, we cut between months and

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months of these guys getting to live on this planet and learn

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about it to the same situation which is happening at, you know

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much slower speed.

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Oh, no, you can see the sort of mountainous range there.

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But look at the rock set.

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It's a bit like that TOS episode.

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They were always doing that.

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It's beautiful, isn't it?

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Because the planet's all purple.

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Um, and the, like that looks like the Paramount lot.

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Do you know what I mean?

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Like that looks like the Paramount lot. but they've made it look

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more impressive.

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They know their audience as well because last week when you told

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me the premise of this episode, I said to you, in the tag, just

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like that Voyager episode, and she said it in this.

323
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.

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Oh, here he is.

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Chief Lurka Snell.

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Snell.

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Snell?

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Yeah.

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He looks like a snail, doesn't he?

330
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Out of gobblers, eh?

331
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Oh no, that looks beautiful.

332
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Look at that lush verdant countryside.

333
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Yeah, yeah, it is lovely, isn't it?

334
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Beautiful country house.

335
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They sit up in the house and then snail turns up and goes, yeah

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lurking.

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He doing lurking.

338
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So, well, this was in the last adventure that, obviously, offscreen

339
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Tashiar's clones or whatever.

340
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Data's head was ejected out of the enterprise for some reason.

341
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No, data's on the ship and they say that his body burned up in the

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crash and that only his head was left.

343
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So...

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We have been here before, you know.

345
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Yeah.

346
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No, he mentions that, but he does mention the times arrow thing.

347
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He mentions the very end of times arrow and how he's been ahead

348
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before and how he gets rescued.

349
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So yes, he has been ahead before.

350
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And, of course, that means...

351
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How do you know he's from the Purple Dimension?

352
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Well, he's slightly purple, isn't he?

353
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That's right.

354
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What are you doing hanging about down here in this pit?

355
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He goes.

356
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He's really great.

357
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I haven't seen you in the town before.

358
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He's just like that goofy kid.

359
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I mean, what about this?

360
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Like, you always say that you're from the northern continent or

361
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something?

362
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Yes, they do that.

363
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But then Delin juggles in order to impress and distract him and it

364
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turns out that she's never juggled...

365
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She never juggled before.

366
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It was simply algorithmic tossing, which...

367
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And tend he even looks jealous about that.

368
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Oh, she's using siles to juggle.

369
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No, because that's the thing is that like to Lynn in this is just

370
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better than Tandy at everything.

371
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I did wonder if the twists at the end would be that she would step

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aside and say, no, you are, because absolutely Tendi is that

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person.

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But I'm pleased with where they go.

375
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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But she's so wanted it that it would have been a shame.

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And now we got back to its mere seconds, you know, weeks have

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passed year, but it's mere seconds.

379
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And so, boy, I'm like, boy.

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Excuse me.

381
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Oh, hang on.

382
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How old is he?

383
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Yeah, no, he's all that.

384
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They're adults.

385
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Okay good.

386
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Yeah, I know.

387
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That sort of twinkish physique.

388
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That's quite appealing.

389
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I can't believe we're doing this in a car, too.

390
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You wait till you wait till the other one gets his gear off, all

391
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right?

392
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What about what about Tandy saying that when she does all of this

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sort of investigating the plants, her away mission resume will be

394
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more padded than a Romulan's shoulder?

395
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Did she say that?

396
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

397
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We have made similar remarks, Tendee, about that.

398
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Okay, and so...

399
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Mariner is comparing, is comparing this to the inner light.

400
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And so she's decided that she needs to go and leave a full rich

401
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and happy life like Picard does in those 25 minutes.

402
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This could be my probe life.

403
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She goes.

404
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, my probe life.

405
00:18:28.559 --> 00:18:31.319
And she does actually, she goes, I have to go and find a flute, and

406
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in fact, that's the final gag is her playing the soap flute that

407
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she's carved out of soap while she's feeding prison.

408
00:18:37.920 --> 00:18:39.000
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

409
00:18:39.839 --> 00:18:43.200
I mean, Picard were much better, let's be honest.

410
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Stelle lurking.

411
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I thought this house was abandoned.

412
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I'll be keeping an eye on you.

413
00:18:54.900 --> 00:19:01.859
Look, even the way he sort of scurries away, it's great.

414
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What I love is, right, is where they try, he almost gets the

415
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people on side at the end and then they go, oh, it's snail again.

416
00:19:08.880 --> 00:19:10.740
Get in the wrong end of the stick.

417
00:19:11.400 --> 00:19:13.680
Get a job, Snell.

418
00:19:13.799 --> 00:19:19.559
You know, I didn't notice, you are right, that that, um, cityscape

419
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did look like the...

420
00:19:22.019 --> 00:19:23.279
Yeah, that is global.

421
00:19:23.339 --> 00:19:24.480
Again, clearly, deliberately.

422
00:19:24.599 --> 00:19:27.960
Like, in long shot, it looks like what the Paramount lot is trying

423
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to represent.

424
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It looks really good.

425
00:19:29.579 --> 00:19:34.079
It does look like a 19th century American thing, but in the

426
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square.

427
00:19:34.500 --> 00:19:35.640
Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.

428
00:19:35.700 --> 00:19:38.279
I've got to have a look and see if it feels like past tense or all

429
00:19:38.279 --> 00:19:39.720
the others.

430
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Or like the inner light.

431
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Not the inner light.

432
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Times arrow, you know.

433
00:19:44.940 --> 00:19:47.940
Now, this is not a criticism.

434
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You can hear the age in.

435
00:19:49.380 --> 00:19:51.299
Bred is voice now, can't you?

436
00:19:51.359 --> 00:19:51.900
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

437
00:19:51.960 --> 00:19:56.279
But he is playing that sort of lovely data, sort of mid-seasons

438
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before he got his emotion chip data, which I love.

439
00:19:59.160 --> 00:20:00.000
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

440
00:20:00.059 --> 00:20:03.720
No, it's kind of sweet, actually, and he gets to talk a little bit

441
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like a cartoon character as well.

442
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Snell is lurking in a tree.

443
00:20:12.240 --> 00:20:14.099
Oh, bless her.

444
00:20:14.819 --> 00:20:19.559
Oh, these things were just lovely, though, between 10 D and data.

445
00:20:19.619 --> 00:20:20.759
Yeah, yeah.

446
00:20:20.819 --> 00:20:21.660
I think so too.

447
00:20:21.779 --> 00:20:26.460
And I figured that she was just going to use him to outsmart her

448
00:20:26.460 --> 00:20:27.720
but actually it's better than that.

449
00:20:27.779 --> 00:20:28.859
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

450
00:20:28.920 --> 00:20:31.200
I mean, in a way that is kind of her thing.

451
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And what she doesn't realise is that she has, of course, like, you

452
00:20:35.160 --> 00:20:39.960
know, she gets annoyed because um, to Lynn almost immediately

453
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creates a windmill and starts creating flour using the windmill

454
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but she does create a water wheel that powers and recharges data's

455
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head.

456
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And she doesn't kind of make a big fuss about it, but she's super

457
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capable without even sort of properly realising it.

458
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I'm getting sort of echos of thine own self from this, a little

459
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bit.

460
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Absolutely.

461
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Where he was making technology for them as well.

462
00:21:04.500 --> 00:21:06.000
There was a line there.

463
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That's a great example of the very powerful character work in this

464
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where Data said I was the 1st Android on a starship.

465
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I understand what it's like to be the 1st and it just reiterates

466
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why she wants it so badly.

467
00:21:20.880 --> 00:21:25.200
Yeah, because, like, we have that even in the lower in the

468
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Strangely Worlds episode with Mariner and Boimler in it about

469
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whether Orions are pirates or whether they can be scientists.

470
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Yeah Okay, now what's his name?

471
00:21:37.259 --> 00:21:38.819
Rutherford's got his shirt off.

472
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Rutherford's got his shirt off and it looks...

473
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He looks as pretty as I imagine.

474
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Livar Burton would look.

475
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If he took his shirt off.

476
00:21:46.200 --> 00:21:46.799
Yeah, yeah.

477
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But did you notice there was a, I was about to say a scene shop.

478
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There's no camera work.

479
00:21:52.559 --> 00:21:57.900
It's drawn from inside the pad with all the sauce all over it.

480
00:21:57.960 --> 00:21:59.819
Yeah, that's great.

481
00:21:59.819 --> 00:22:01.140
I was like, oh, that is great.

482
00:22:03.599 --> 00:22:08.279
Like you can't get lazy animation, but they're never lazy on this

483
00:22:08.279 --> 00:22:08.519
shit.

484
00:22:08.579 --> 00:22:11.039
No, no, this is expensive, clever animation.

485
00:22:11.099 --> 00:22:12.599
This holy crap.

486
00:22:12.660 --> 00:22:13.259
This is so funny.

487
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And so she's been growing things, but of course, because she's

488
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Talin, those things are grapes.

489
00:22:19.019 --> 00:22:20.940
It's like with the melons.

490
00:22:21.240 --> 00:22:23.640
The melons don't fit from the door. that shot?

491
00:22:23.700 --> 00:22:24.779
Look at the shot.

492
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Like suddenly for the 1st time, Teddy looks out the window and

493
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sees how big the produce is, which is...

494
00:22:32.099 --> 00:22:33.180
You see the size of the carrot?

495
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She takes the mark.

496
00:22:34.559 --> 00:22:36.000
It's her fucking monster.

497
00:22:36.059 --> 00:22:37.079
It's wonderful.

498
00:22:37.140 --> 00:22:40.259
There's a scene where she's sort of taking them to the town in a

499
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big waggon and stuff.

500
00:22:41.579 --> 00:22:42.720
And all of this stuff.

501
00:22:42.779 --> 00:22:46.440
We discover later is to Lynn trying to reach out to Tandy because

502
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Tandy's spending all of her time with data.

503
00:22:49.500 --> 00:22:56.279
Sort of, because we know there can be that sort of pushback from

504
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Vulcans.

505
00:22:56.940 --> 00:22:59.099
Like, we don't suspect it until it's revealed.

506
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And then it's all, it's really lovely.

507
00:23:01.559 --> 00:23:05.700
Because if I sort of knew what was happening, it wouldn't hit in

508
00:23:05.700 --> 00:23:06.480
the same way.

509
00:23:06.539 --> 00:23:08.700
Did you notice he had the sheet over him there, a bit like

510
00:23:08.700 --> 00:23:09.900
Frankenstein's monster?

511
00:23:09.960 --> 00:23:12.420
And in a minute, you can see all the electricity.

512
00:23:12.480 --> 00:23:14.099
She's going crazy with it.

513
00:23:14.160 --> 00:23:15.720
No, when she's going crazy.

514
00:23:15.779 --> 00:23:17.099
She's decided she's not going to sleep.

515
00:23:17.160 --> 00:23:20.160
She's just gonna eat stimulant leaf and stuff and say, like, look

516
00:23:20.160 --> 00:23:20.519
at that.

517
00:23:20.579 --> 00:23:21.900
Look at that.

518
00:23:21.960 --> 00:23:23.039
The sneller...

519
00:23:23.039 --> 00:23:24.299
Look at the...

520
00:23:24.299 --> 00:23:28.859
Look at that mutated vegetable So Marin has been in prison for her

521
00:23:28.859 --> 00:23:31.559
because she accidentally horned that guy in the eye.

522
00:23:31.619 --> 00:23:33.420
So she went to prison.

523
00:23:34.019 --> 00:23:36.119
She knows what she said, though.

524
00:23:36.180 --> 00:23:38.279
I can't believe I got that sentence.

525
00:23:38.339 --> 00:23:40.200
This is even worse than the Edo planet.

526
00:23:40.259 --> 00:23:42.299
Yeah, it's an Edo bullshit.

527
00:23:43.920 --> 00:23:46.980
Oh, and then she uses the grape.

528
00:23:47.039 --> 00:23:49.259
She thinks I'm going to make myself useful and to put out this

529
00:23:49.259 --> 00:23:49.740
flame.

530
00:23:49.799 --> 00:23:52.380
It turns out it's the sacred flame of the city.

531
00:23:52.440 --> 00:23:54.839
And she goes straight back to prison.

532
00:23:54.960 --> 00:23:58.319
And so she actually ends up having a prison family.

533
00:23:58.380 --> 00:23:59.099
It turns out.

534
00:23:59.099 --> 00:24:00.180
Oh, it's great.

535
00:24:00.240 --> 00:24:01.799
They give her a big hug, don't they?

536
00:24:01.859 --> 00:24:03.420
Yeah, 2 of them are murderers.

537
00:24:03.480 --> 00:24:04.140
Don't tell me that.

538
00:24:05.220 --> 00:24:07.259
Oh, that's it.

539
00:24:07.319 --> 00:24:08.579
They're still licking the console.

540
00:24:08.640 --> 00:24:09.359
What is that?

541
00:24:09.420 --> 00:24:10.799
It looks miserable.

542
00:24:10.859 --> 00:24:12.660
Just so ridiculous.

543
00:24:12.720 --> 00:24:15.119
This is as silly as I think it's been.

544
00:24:15.180 --> 00:24:16.500
He goes.

545
00:24:16.559 --> 00:24:18.599
Ooh, it tastes like his hands.

546
00:24:18.660 --> 00:24:20.039
I don't think he washes his hand.

547
00:24:20.099 --> 00:24:20.880
Oh yeah, Lundy.

548
00:24:20.940 --> 00:24:23.940
Lundy, the transporter sheep who smells.

549
00:24:24.000 --> 00:24:25.559
It tastes like Lundy smells.

550
00:24:26.819 --> 00:24:29.819
I don't want to know what he's asking for this.

551
00:24:31.859 --> 00:24:33.839
Oh, dear.

552
00:24:36.900 --> 00:24:39.599
It's just like, it just looks pretty as well, there.

553
00:24:39.720 --> 00:24:40.559
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

554
00:24:40.619 --> 00:24:40.980
Yeah, yeah.

555
00:24:41.039 --> 00:24:41.579
Yeah, yeah.

556
00:24:41.640 --> 00:24:44.700
Well, I think, like, even though this isn't the purple alternate

557
00:24:44.700 --> 00:24:48.359
planet, you know, the purple alternative universe that data is

558
00:24:48.359 --> 00:24:52.980
from, like, it's got a really strong sort of, and it is that sort

559
00:24:52.980 --> 00:24:56.940
of 19th century American thing, which, you know, is a aesthetic

560
00:24:56.940 --> 00:25:01.859
that Star Trek uses to represent a primitive planet.

561
00:25:01.920 --> 00:25:05.400
Like they don't attempt to make it look spacey.

562
00:25:05.460 --> 00:25:06.900
They just make it look like America.

563
00:25:06.960 --> 00:25:08.220
And that...

564
00:25:08.220 --> 00:25:12.119
This could be non-sequitur now, past tense. any one of those

565
00:25:12.119 --> 00:25:15.180
episodes on the back lot with a few market stalls out the front.

566
00:25:15.240 --> 00:25:20.460
And so Talin has made money, and Tandy's worried that she's

567
00:25:20.460 --> 00:25:23.940
selling medicine, but what it turns out is she's selling hair

568
00:25:23.940 --> 00:25:24.720
conditioner.

569
00:25:27.599 --> 00:25:30.779
Everyone's got lush, beautiful hair from now on. from now on.

570
00:25:30.839 --> 00:25:32.759
And it comes...

571
00:25:32.819 --> 00:25:33.779
Yeah, look at the man.

572
00:25:33.779 --> 00:25:38.160
Hitting on the woman there. like the guy with the really long

573
00:25:38.160 --> 00:25:38.460
hair.

574
00:25:40.200 --> 00:25:42.240
Because he's worth it.

575
00:25:42.299 --> 00:25:43.079
That's right.

576
00:25:44.220 --> 00:25:46.140
Oh my god.

577
00:25:46.200 --> 00:25:48.660
Oh, I wish they stopped showing us these...

578
00:25:48.660 --> 00:25:51.119
It's probably going out with their tops off, covered in sauce.

579
00:25:51.180 --> 00:25:53.700
I had a dream about this once, you know.

580
00:25:54.539 --> 00:25:57.119
All right, so we're back.

581
00:25:57.180 --> 00:25:58.140
We made it work.

582
00:25:58.200 --> 00:26:02.579
We've leaked all of the fucking horrible cocktail off the panel.

583
00:26:02.640 --> 00:26:04.200
Yeah, yeah.

584
00:26:04.259 --> 00:26:07.920
Like, Teddy's trying to work out how Talin could have done the

585
00:26:07.920 --> 00:26:10.740
wrong thing by giving everyone lovely lush hair.

586
00:26:10.799 --> 00:26:14.400
But Data says that he thinks that it probably is a good thing.

587
00:26:14.460 --> 00:26:16.740
But now she's getting paranoid and weird.

588
00:26:16.799 --> 00:26:17.819
It's a sheen leg.

589
00:26:17.880 --> 00:26:19.740
I'm tired of your sass.

590
00:26:19.740 --> 00:26:21.240
I'm getting real tired of your sass.

591
00:26:21.359 --> 00:26:23.160
You get some sleep.

592
00:26:24.720 --> 00:26:27.119
And then snails watching.

593
00:26:27.180 --> 00:26:27.660
I knew it.

594
00:26:28.259 --> 00:26:30.720
He's got a hornless.

595
00:26:30.779 --> 00:26:32.519
She has a hornless demon head.

596
00:26:33.059 --> 00:26:35.339
Oh, she's so tired.

597
00:26:37.259 --> 00:26:39.480
There's a lesson here, right?

598
00:26:39.539 --> 00:26:42.119
don't compete with people too much Yes, exactly right.

599
00:26:42.180 --> 00:26:43.799
But that's it. you know what I mean?

600
00:26:43.859 --> 00:26:46.799
Like she's being crazy competitive and it turns out they just

601
00:26:46.799 --> 00:26:49.019
compliment one another and they both get the job.

602
00:26:49.079 --> 00:26:51.779
It would be exhausting trying to keep up with you, you know.

603
00:26:51.839 --> 00:26:54.599
That's why I let you do loads of talking and I'll come in with a

604
00:26:54.599 --> 00:26:55.200
joke at the end.

605
00:26:58.619 --> 00:27:01.200
It's creepy lurking.

606
00:27:01.259 --> 00:27:03.539
Play creepy lurking has paid off.

607
00:27:03.599 --> 00:27:06.480
Talking hornless demon head.

608
00:27:10.559 --> 00:27:14.880
Oh, put you on show soon enough when I'm back with the angry mob.

609
00:27:17.700 --> 00:27:21.660
There's a certain knowingness of the cliches in this show, isn't

610
00:27:21.660 --> 00:27:21.779
it?

611
00:27:22.019 --> 00:27:23.460
That's fun about it, isn't it?

612
00:27:23.519 --> 00:27:26.759
I mean, isn't there an angry mob about in thine own self?

613
00:27:26.819 --> 00:27:28.980
There's like a torch that comes from him, isn't it?

614
00:27:29.039 --> 00:27:29.339
It is.

615
00:27:29.339 --> 00:27:29.640
Yep.

616
00:27:29.759 --> 00:27:33.299
And actually, I was thinking the apparatus looks a bit like the

617
00:27:33.299 --> 00:27:35.519
stuff that he uses in Times Arrow data.

618
00:27:35.579 --> 00:27:36.599
Yeah, yeah.

619
00:27:36.599 --> 00:27:37.440
It's all in there.

620
00:27:37.500 --> 00:27:40.680
It's all like a juicy mix of 90s trek, isn't it?

621
00:27:40.740 --> 00:27:43.740
I think he talks about making something in Times Arrow.

622
00:27:43.799 --> 00:27:46.319
He talks about having to try and make some kind of technical

623
00:27:46.319 --> 00:27:48.960
equipment using what he gets in times arrow.

624
00:27:49.079 --> 00:27:52.019
And I think maybe that even dates back to Spock at some point.

625
00:27:53.099 --> 00:27:55.200
Oh, this is so sweet.

626
00:27:56.160 --> 00:28:00.599
I intend to revoke my application, says to Lynn, because a science

627
00:28:00.599 --> 00:28:04.079
officer must be able to communicate and I can't I realise I can't

628
00:28:04.079 --> 00:28:04.799
communicate with you.

629
00:28:04.859 --> 00:28:06.839
It's because she's been being a shit.

630
00:28:06.900 --> 00:28:07.440
That's why.

631
00:28:07.559 --> 00:28:08.759
That's right, that's right.

632
00:28:08.819 --> 00:28:11.339
No, and she admits, she says it was my fault.

633
00:28:11.400 --> 00:28:12.240
I was being competitive.

634
00:28:12.359 --> 00:28:13.799
I was being crazy, you know.

635
00:28:15.119 --> 00:28:17.339
Yeah, this is nice.

636
00:28:17.400 --> 00:28:18.240
And Talin is...

637
00:28:18.240 --> 00:28:20.640
God, I wish naughty straight was this succint, you know?

638
00:28:20.700 --> 00:28:21.720
Yeah.

639
00:28:21.720 --> 00:28:25.259
But isn't Talin just the most brilliant character.

640
00:28:25.319 --> 00:28:25.920
She's so good.

641
00:28:25.980 --> 00:28:27.180
So good.

642
00:28:27.240 --> 00:28:32.880
Well, they somehow managed to do a rivalry episode where one half

643
00:28:32.880 --> 00:28:36.539
of the rivalry wasn't a rival, and they're actually, we both, the

644
00:28:36.539 --> 00:28:37.680
twist is, they're both lovely.

645
00:28:37.740 --> 00:28:38.819
That's right.

646
00:28:38.880 --> 00:28:42.240
They both love each other and uh...

647
00:28:42.240 --> 00:28:45.180
Mr. Worf did this once.

648
00:28:45.180 --> 00:28:47.279
They shoot their way out of a rope.

649
00:28:47.339 --> 00:28:48.539
Yeah, that is right.

650
00:28:50.640 --> 00:28:53.700
Terrible soap whisk, that soap flute.

651
00:28:54.660 --> 00:28:56.339
So funny.

652
00:28:56.460 --> 00:28:58.859
Stupid soap flute.

653
00:28:58.920 --> 00:29:02.579
Oh, she realises, oh, I found my story on the planet here in

654
00:29:02.579 --> 00:29:02.940
prison.

655
00:29:03.059 --> 00:29:05.279
With this big hot guy.

656
00:29:05.339 --> 00:29:08.220
I want a hug from these people. big mare.

657
00:29:08.339 --> 00:29:08.759
Big man.

658
00:29:08.819 --> 00:29:09.900
We love you, big mare.

659
00:29:09.960 --> 00:29:10.799
Mariner.

660
00:29:10.859 --> 00:29:11.279
Yeah.

661
00:29:11.759 --> 00:29:14.940
My alien family, they were here all along.

662
00:29:15.000 --> 00:29:15.359
Hooray.

663
00:29:15.420 --> 00:29:19.140
Look at the one on the left with the moustache. looks really

664
00:29:19.140 --> 00:29:19.619
dodgy.

665
00:29:19.680 --> 00:29:20.940
He's a murderer.

666
00:29:21.000 --> 00:29:22.319
Two of them are murderers, remember?

667
00:29:23.579 --> 00:29:26.099
Oh, look at his beautiful hair.

668
00:29:26.160 --> 00:29:27.839
He's been using plenty of that hair tonic.

669
00:29:27.900 --> 00:29:30.660
He's got a whole arm full of the hair tonic.

670
00:29:30.720 --> 00:29:32.099
So stupid.

671
00:29:33.660 --> 00:29:35.519
Oh dear.

672
00:29:36.240 --> 00:29:37.680
Okay.

673
00:29:37.740 --> 00:29:39.240
Off to the rendezvous point.

674
00:29:39.299 --> 00:29:40.559
Got shrimp in his hair.

675
00:29:40.680 --> 00:29:44.160
Oh, here comes Snail now with his angry mob.

676
00:29:44.579 --> 00:29:46.259
Witches.

677
00:29:46.319 --> 00:29:47.279
There they are.

678
00:29:47.400 --> 00:29:49.500
Yeah, no, they believe him.

679
00:29:49.559 --> 00:29:51.059
They're kind of prepared to go along with him.

680
00:29:51.119 --> 00:29:55.559
Like, there should be such a lame ending of them just going, oh

681
00:29:55.559 --> 00:29:55.920
smell.

682
00:29:56.700 --> 00:29:58.859
But it's really funny.

683
00:30:01.920 --> 00:30:06.480
In the bag is an enormous grape with the face of Mr. Data. drawn a

684
00:30:06.480 --> 00:30:06.900
face on.

685
00:30:09.960 --> 00:30:11.279
Get a job, snail.

686
00:30:11.339 --> 00:30:13.500
That's so great, isn't it?

687
00:30:14.759 --> 00:30:18.960
Oh, he hasn't got much hair either to make lush look at him.

688
00:30:19.019 --> 00:30:19.680
No, that's it.

689
00:30:19.740 --> 00:30:22.440
He's also upset because they all have lush, beautiful hair.

690
00:30:25.500 --> 00:30:27.000
Oh, that's it.

691
00:30:27.119 --> 00:30:27.900
Look, he's pissed.

692
00:30:28.140 --> 00:30:30.839
He'll be back lurking tomorrow.

693
00:30:30.900 --> 00:30:31.680
Don't you worry.

694
00:30:31.740 --> 00:30:33.480
No, well, I think doesn't he turn up too late?

695
00:30:33.539 --> 00:30:35.759
He turns up just after they beam out.

696
00:30:36.119 --> 00:30:40.319
Look at the shoulder. on top of the mountain with the sun coming

697
00:30:40.319 --> 00:30:41.220
out.

698
00:30:41.279 --> 00:30:42.420
That's beautiful.

699
00:30:42.480 --> 00:30:43.019
Yeah.

700
00:30:43.019 --> 00:30:43.920
Yeah.

701
00:30:43.980 --> 00:30:48.240
Oh, and Mariner gets to talk to data, which is really great too.

702
00:30:48.299 --> 00:30:50.519
Is this the only episode he's in this year?

703
00:30:50.579 --> 00:30:51.779
Yeah.

704
00:30:51.779 --> 00:30:55.319
But it's that thing where Mariner says, I think about you all the

705
00:30:55.319 --> 00:30:59.700
time, which I just think is beautiful, because doesn't she say at

706
00:30:59.700 --> 00:31:01.920
some point, hey, you're kind of famous?

707
00:31:01.980 --> 00:31:03.599
Like, you do know you're kind of famous.

708
00:31:04.500 --> 00:31:06.420
Just think it's true.

709
00:31:06.480 --> 00:31:08.700
He sort of pushes it aside and she goes, oh, that's such a data

710
00:31:08.700 --> 00:31:09.480
thing to say.

711
00:31:09.539 --> 00:31:09.960
Yeah, yeah.

712
00:31:10.019 --> 00:31:11.460
It's really sweet.

713
00:31:11.519 --> 00:31:14.700
And that is just a little love letter to data from the writers

714
00:31:14.700 --> 00:31:15.180
isn't it?

715
00:31:15.240 --> 00:31:18.119
Is there coming over the mountain there?

716
00:31:18.180 --> 00:31:20.400
I just see him coming after him.

717
00:31:20.579 --> 00:31:22.680
Give it up, snail.

718
00:31:23.519 --> 00:31:26.039
Oh, also the Geordie thing?

719
00:31:26.160 --> 00:31:27.180
Here he comes.

720
00:31:27.240 --> 00:31:28.200
Here he comes.

721
00:31:28.319 --> 00:31:30.359
After they beam out.

722
00:31:30.420 --> 00:31:30.960
Yeah.

723
00:31:30.960 --> 00:31:33.839
Yeah, yeah.

724
00:31:33.900 --> 00:31:35.940
Look at Boeemer's boney back.

725
00:31:36.000 --> 00:31:36.480
Did you see that?

726
00:31:36.539 --> 00:31:37.740
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

727
00:31:37.799 --> 00:31:38.460
Yeah, terrible.

728
00:31:38.700 --> 00:31:41.460
You break him like a tweak, wouldn't you?

729
00:31:41.519 --> 00:31:45.599
Someone calls him a skeletal lad at some point in an earlier

730
00:31:45.599 --> 00:31:46.740
series, I think.

731
00:31:48.180 --> 00:31:50.460
Oh boy, oh boy.

732
00:31:51.539 --> 00:31:57.240
So, so we do riffs all the way through to the finale, yeah.

733
00:31:57.299 --> 00:31:58.680
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

734
00:31:58.859 --> 00:32:02.700
And is it really secretly just a way of bringing back all those

735
00:32:02.700 --> 00:32:04.559
old actors in alternative versions?

736
00:32:04.619 --> 00:32:05.640
I think partly that.

737
00:32:05.700 --> 00:32:09.839
I mean, there's that ship, the 2nd last episode, just 2 episodes

738
00:32:09.839 --> 00:32:13.980
from now, is set on the NXO one Enterprise, and has Jolene

739
00:32:13.980 --> 00:32:17.759
Blaylock on it, and it has a lot of Harry Kims from all of these

740
00:32:17.759 --> 00:32:21.839
different dimensions. only one of whom's a lieutenant.

741
00:32:21.900 --> 00:32:24.660
The rest of them are all all ensigns.

742
00:32:26.519 --> 00:32:28.740
Do they all try and kill him?

743
00:32:29.160 --> 00:32:32.220
No, the villain is a lieutenant.

744
00:32:32.279 --> 00:32:33.240
Like the villain.

745
00:32:33.240 --> 00:32:33.660
Oh, is it?

746
00:32:34.920 --> 00:32:37.019
Power went to his head.

747
00:32:37.079 --> 00:32:41.640
Yeah, so this just data, it data recommends that the 2 of them

748
00:32:41.640 --> 00:32:46.259
should become the senior officer and now they're, like they're

749
00:32:46.259 --> 00:32:50.039
drinking together Talin popping off and it's so sweet, isn't it?

750
00:32:50.099 --> 00:32:54.359
Like, it is to Lynn being sensitive and caring and stuff and

751
00:32:54.359 --> 00:32:55.259
fitting into the group.

752
00:32:55.740 --> 00:32:58.380
Where does she end up at the end of the series?

753
00:32:58.440 --> 00:32:59.819
I can't remember, actually.

754
00:32:59.880 --> 00:33:02.940
I think they're on the Cerritos under the command of Captain

755
00:33:02.940 --> 00:33:04.920
Ransom at the end, I think.

756
00:33:04.980 --> 00:33:06.119
I can't remember.

757
00:33:06.299 --> 00:33:10.680
She goes, I've got an emptiness inside me that's, I need fields

758
00:33:10.680 --> 00:33:11.700
from my jail family.

759
00:33:12.059 --> 00:33:13.500
Yeah.

760
00:33:13.500 --> 00:33:16.079
And so she's playing it.

761
00:33:16.079 --> 00:33:17.940
Stop, you do not know how to play that.

762
00:33:18.000 --> 00:33:22.740
And then and then all of that stupid, you know, flute stuff

763
00:33:22.740 --> 00:33:27.059
dialogue is happening while we fire Data's head in a torpedo tube

764
00:33:27.059 --> 00:33:29.700
in through the riff so that the Enterprise can pick it up, which

765
00:33:29.700 --> 00:33:30.240
is kind of cute.

766
00:33:31.259 --> 00:33:33.299
You know what it is, right?

767
00:33:33.359 --> 00:33:34.019
Lower decks.

768
00:33:34.079 --> 00:33:38.700
It's a peak into an alternative universe where night is Star Trek

769
00:33:38.700 --> 00:33:45.539
was succinct, funny, entertaining, witty, well acted, visually

770
00:33:45.539 --> 00:33:47.640
beautiful, like it, yeah.

771
00:33:47.700 --> 00:33:49.680
I mean, we love 90s trick.

772
00:33:49.740 --> 00:33:50.039
We do.

773
00:33:50.099 --> 00:33:50.640
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

774
00:33:51.539 --> 00:33:55.680
God, this is the best 5 season love letout.

775
00:33:55.740 --> 00:33:58.319
Could possibly... ever have.

776
00:33:58.380 --> 00:34:03.000
Like, it's like you said, that fine line, that Galaxy Quest fine

777
00:34:03.000 --> 00:34:07.799
line between taking the piss out of the absurdities of it, because

778
00:34:07.799 --> 00:34:10.980
you and me do that spectacularly on this podcast. but also

779
00:34:10.980 --> 00:34:15.599
respecting it and and realising, you know, that most of the people

780
00:34:15.599 --> 00:34:18.599
watching that's that's they're into Star Trek, you know?

781
00:34:18.659 --> 00:34:19.139
Yeah.

782
00:34:19.199 --> 00:34:21.840
So, so giving it huge meaning as well.

783
00:34:21.900 --> 00:34:25.800
They love it and they never stop referencing it and riffing on it

784
00:34:25.800 --> 00:34:27.000
and playing with it.

785
00:34:27.059 --> 00:34:29.820
And they properly respect it, I think.

786
00:34:29.880 --> 00:34:33.780
Like, I don't think pointing out that Star Trek is ridiculous is

787
00:34:33.780 --> 00:34:35.639
the same as pointing out that it's bad.

788
00:34:35.699 --> 00:34:37.619
It's great.

789
00:34:37.679 --> 00:34:38.519
We love it.

790
00:34:38.579 --> 00:34:43.260
We've spent, you know, 100s of hours talking about it on this

791
00:34:43.260 --> 00:34:43.559
podcast.

792
00:34:43.679 --> 00:34:45.179
We look at being ridiculous.

793
00:34:45.239 --> 00:34:46.380
We just don't like it being boring.

794
00:34:46.440 --> 00:34:47.460
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

795
00:34:47.519 --> 00:34:51.780
Yeah, but like they love it for being ridiculous and they play

796
00:34:51.780 --> 00:34:55.199
with it and it's that thing where they reach back in and see the

797
00:34:55.199 --> 00:34:59.460
things that are silly and kind of make them work or remind us why

798
00:34:59.460 --> 00:35:03.360
it's not such a terrible thing that part of Star Trek is silly

799
00:35:03.360 --> 00:35:05.519
because we just love it anyway.

800
00:35:05.579 --> 00:35:10.019
I just think it's a tremendous, tremendous show, and it works as a

801
00:35:10.019 --> 00:35:14.159
cartoon, and there are really good things that come from that, I

802
00:35:14.159 --> 00:35:14.400
think.

803
00:35:14.460 --> 00:35:18.900
But as well, I think the length of the episodes is perfect as

804
00:35:18.900 --> 00:35:19.139
well.

805
00:35:19.199 --> 00:35:24.300
And there's usually two, sometimes 3 plots happening within an

806
00:35:24.300 --> 00:35:24.659
episode.

807
00:35:24.719 --> 00:35:28.139
There's a lot going on, but you can't really get bored because

808
00:35:28.139 --> 00:35:31.440
there's maybe 3 or 4 scenes per plot, you know?

809
00:35:31.500 --> 00:35:36.599
So they go by by a lick, but they structure their seasons.

810
00:35:36.659 --> 00:35:39.960
So, because I remember in season one, setting up that whole thing

811
00:35:39.960 --> 00:35:44.699
with Mariner and her mum, and then it all leading up to that

812
00:35:44.699 --> 00:35:48.360
incredible episode where they're fighting each other in the

813
00:35:48.360 --> 00:35:49.320
penultimate episode.

814
00:35:49.320 --> 00:35:52.440
And I was like, wow, this is some of the most powerful character

815
00:35:52.440 --> 00:35:55.079
work I've ever seen on Star Trek.

816
00:35:55.139 --> 00:35:58.380
And listen, this fucking cartoon, for God's sakes.

817
00:35:58.440 --> 00:35:59.579
It's just brilliant.

818
00:35:59.639 --> 00:36:01.500
Yeah. absolute triumph.

819
00:36:01.559 --> 00:36:04.500
I think we should just press lower decks again next time.

820
00:36:04.559 --> 00:36:05.639
What do you reckon?

821
00:36:05.699 --> 00:36:07.800
Never mind the rest of the franchise.

822
00:36:14.159 --> 00:36:17.400
All right, it's the end of the episode.

823
00:36:17.460 --> 00:36:21.539
So it's time for us to work out where we're going next.

824
00:36:21.780 --> 00:36:27.599
Lower decks was your excellent choice last time.

825
00:36:27.659 --> 00:36:33.539
And so I decided to make up for a few weeks ago when I chose the

826
00:36:33.539 --> 00:36:37.380
empath by choosing lower decks again.

827
00:36:37.440 --> 00:36:43.079
And the reason is that lower decks dropped 10 extra episodes

828
00:36:43.079 --> 00:36:45.539
towards the end of last year.

829
00:36:45.599 --> 00:36:51.539
And so it is now among the series that has the least untitled Star

830
00:36:51.539 --> 00:36:53.219
Trek project coverage.

831
00:36:53.280 --> 00:36:59.639
We wish to reassure all untiled Star Trek project listeners that

832
00:36:59.639 --> 00:37:02.579
we will be covering something really tedious next week.

833
00:37:02.639 --> 00:37:03.599
Absolutely.

834
00:37:03.659 --> 00:37:04.619
We'll do our best.

835
00:37:04.679 --> 00:37:05.519
Yes, quite.

836
00:37:06.179 --> 00:37:07.800
All right.

837
00:37:07.860 --> 00:37:09.300
So let's just do that.

838
00:37:09.360 --> 00:37:12.420
We have a reputation to maintain, you know.

839
00:37:12.480 --> 00:37:13.559
We can't be loving everything.

840
00:37:13.619 --> 00:37:17.219
No, I will be doing a boring Voyager episode before you know it.

841
00:37:18.360 --> 00:37:20.039
All right.

842
00:37:20.099 --> 00:37:23.099
I am going to press the button.

843
00:37:26.940 --> 00:37:28.380
Okay.

844
00:37:28.440 --> 00:37:30.599
This is another season 5 episode.

845
00:37:30.659 --> 00:37:37.980
It's season five, episode 10, the new Next Generation.

846
00:37:38.039 --> 00:37:39.000
It the finale.

847
00:37:39.059 --> 00:37:41.519
Oh.

848
00:37:41.639 --> 00:37:43.980
I mean, do you know what, right?

849
00:37:44.039 --> 00:37:49.800
What I could do is, because I think, secretly, we've got a couple

850
00:37:49.800 --> 00:37:51.360
of weeks before we record this.

851
00:37:51.539 --> 00:37:56.159
I could watch the whole last series and then obviously we'll do

852
00:37:56.159 --> 00:37:56.940
the finale.

853
00:37:57.000 --> 00:37:57.840
What do you reckon?

854
00:37:57.900 --> 00:37:59.219
I think that's not a bad idea.

855
00:37:59.340 --> 00:38:01.139
And then I can finally see it out.

856
00:38:01.199 --> 00:38:03.780
It's the only season I've not seen of Lower Decks.

857
00:38:03.840 --> 00:38:05.280
Oh, let's do it.

858
00:38:05.340 --> 00:38:05.579
Come on.

859
00:38:05.639 --> 00:38:07.980
Is there loads of cameos from fabulous people?

860
00:38:08.039 --> 00:38:09.539
I can't remember, actually.

861
00:38:09.599 --> 00:38:12.840
There's loads of cameos from fabulous people in episode nine

862
00:38:12.840 --> 00:38:13.079
actually.

863
00:38:13.199 --> 00:38:15.599
Well, I'll watch it. watch it.

864
00:38:15.659 --> 00:38:19.739
But 10 is a really good ending and a really interesting ending.

865
00:38:19.800 --> 00:38:21.179
Not at all what I expected.

866
00:38:21.239 --> 00:38:24.780
And I did really kind of like it, and I think it will be

867
00:38:24.780 --> 00:38:25.679
interesting to talk about.

868
00:38:25.739 --> 00:38:28.920
And of course, it's funny and charming and heartwarming as hell, of

869
00:38:28.920 --> 00:38:29.099
course.

870
00:38:29.159 --> 00:38:33.000
I just want them all to just go off and achieve everything they've

871
00:38:33.000 --> 00:38:34.679
ever wanted because I love them all.

872
00:38:34.739 --> 00:38:40.800
I don't want anyone to die. get demoted or just have a miserable

873
00:38:40.800 --> 00:38:41.460
end, you know?

874
00:38:41.519 --> 00:38:43.260
They'll all be fine.

875
00:38:43.320 --> 00:38:44.280
They will all be fine.

876
00:38:44.340 --> 00:38:44.760
Okay.

877
00:38:53.820 --> 00:38:57.420
You've been listening to untitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford

878
00:38:57.420 --> 00:38:58.800
and Nathan Bottomley.

879
00:38:58.800 --> 00:39:02.519
We're online at untitled Star Trek Project.com, where you can find

880
00:39:02.519 --> 00:39:05.519
subscription links and links to our social media accounts.

881
00:39:05.579 --> 00:39:09.900
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Ciceran and the theme was composed

882
00:39:09.900 --> 00:39:11.159
by Cameron Lamb.

883
00:39:11.219 --> 00:39:15.960
This episode was recorded on the 6th of May 2025 and released on

884
00:39:15.960 --> 00:39:17.820
the 16th of May.

885
00:39:17.880 --> 00:39:22.079
We'll see you next time for Star Trek Lower Decks, the new next

886
00:39:22.079 --> 00:39:22.800
generation.

887
00:39:37.860 --> 00:39:39.239
Yeah, the finale.

888
00:39:39.300 --> 00:39:41.460
We don't do finale very often.

889
00:39:41.519 --> 00:39:42.780
No, what have we done?

890
00:39:42.840 --> 00:39:46.019
We've done all good things and we've done endgame.

891
00:39:46.139 --> 00:39:47.760
Oh, that's right.

892
00:39:47.760 --> 00:39:48.599
That might be it.

893
00:39:48.659 --> 00:39:50.880
We've done the Enterprise finale as well.

894
00:39:50.940 --> 00:39:55.559
So you struggled a bit with all good things.

895
00:39:55.619 --> 00:39:57.420
Surprisingly, I remember.

896
00:39:57.480 --> 00:40:00.179
I struggled a lot with end game.

897
00:40:00.239 --> 00:40:01.920
You were a lot kinder on that.

898
00:40:01.980 --> 00:40:06.780
And then great riffs between us when we watch these are the

899
00:40:06.780 --> 00:40:07.260
voyages.

900
00:40:07.320 --> 00:40:10.019
Yeah, which I didn't think was the war crime that everyone else

901
00:40:10.019 --> 00:40:10.980
seems to think it is.

902
00:40:11.039 --> 00:40:17.340
But I think we'll probably be in accord. with this one. is pretty

903
00:40:17.340 --> 00:40:17.579
great.

904
00:40:17.639 --> 00:40:21.239
I mean, it's called the new Next Generation.

905
00:40:21.300 --> 00:40:23.880
Their tiles are so cheeky.

906
00:40:23.940 --> 00:40:26.760
I think there's an episode called The Next Generation, isn't there

907
00:40:26.760 --> 00:40:31.500
isn't series 3, episode one of Picard called The Next Generation?

908
00:40:34.019 --> 00:40:36.000
Yeah, I think it is.

909
00:40:36.059 --> 00:40:37.920
Wait a sec.

910
00:40:37.980 --> 00:40:39.719
I'm going to go to the...

911
00:40:39.719 --> 00:40:42.960
Untitled Star Trek Project website.

912
00:40:46.079 --> 00:40:46.500
Okay.

913
00:40:46.559 --> 00:40:49.199
The Next Generation. season three, episode one.

914
00:40:49.260 --> 00:40:49.559
Yes.

915
00:40:49.619 --> 00:40:51.539
Yeah, it's called The Next Generation, isn't it?

916
00:40:51.599 --> 00:40:53.219
So this is the new next generation.

917
00:40:53.280 --> 00:40:56.099
The other thing is that you won't have noticed is I've changed the

918
00:40:56.099 --> 00:40:59.099
font on the untitled Star Trek Project website.

919
00:40:59.280 --> 00:41:00.900
Have a look.

920
00:41:04.019 --> 00:41:06.420
Oh, it seems a bit more spaced apart.

921
00:41:06.480 --> 00:41:07.500
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

922
00:41:07.559 --> 00:41:08.579
It's a little wider.

923
00:41:08.639 --> 00:41:09.539
I quite like it.

924
00:41:09.599 --> 00:41:11.099
They're just the new...

925
00:41:11.159 --> 00:41:12.119
Yeah, I think it looks pretty good.

926
00:41:12.179 --> 00:41:15.119
I haven't changed any of the Star Trekie fonts, but just the

927
00:41:15.119 --> 00:41:16.199
normal font.

928
00:41:16.380 --> 00:41:19.380
You know what I'll do next week though, right?

929
00:41:19.440 --> 00:41:21.119
Oh, sorry, the week after.

930
00:41:21.179 --> 00:41:22.679
No, no, no, no, I will.

931
00:41:22.739 --> 00:41:23.099
I will.

932
00:41:23.159 --> 00:41:24.000
Oh no, I want to.

933
00:41:24.059 --> 00:41:27.119
I might go and watch the 1st one in a minute, actually, while I

934
00:41:27.119 --> 00:41:27.719
have my lunch.

935
00:41:27.780 --> 00:41:30.659
No, I will take us back to 90s again.

936
00:41:30.719 --> 00:41:31.679
I just love...

937
00:41:31.739 --> 00:41:33.300
I mean, there's so much of it still today.

938
00:41:33.420 --> 00:41:34.380
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

939
00:41:34.440 --> 00:41:35.340
Yeah, yeah.

940
00:41:35.400 --> 00:41:39.659
And things like Voyager is like undercover, like Voyager

941
00:41:39.659 --> 00:41:44.880
Enterprise and Next Generation are all kind of less than where we

942
00:41:44.880 --> 00:41:45.900
probably should be at.

943
00:41:45.960 --> 00:41:48.179
Like, we're never all going to be a parody.

944
00:41:48.239 --> 00:41:48.840
Do you know what I mean?

945
00:41:49.260 --> 00:41:58.019
I mean, 10% of 168 episodes and 10% of 65 episodes are 2 very

946
00:41:58.019 --> 00:41:58.500
different things.

947
00:41:58.559 --> 00:42:01.019
We've got a lot more 90s to do.

948
00:42:01.079 --> 00:42:04.679
But as we go, do you know what I mean?

949
00:42:04.739 --> 00:42:06.840
The numbers have to be the same, do you know what I mean?

950
00:42:06.900 --> 00:42:11.159
Otherwise, we'll be doing disproportionate amounts of one thing

951
00:42:11.159 --> 00:42:12.239
above the other.

952
00:42:12.300 --> 00:42:16.920
So they're all roughly sort of similar, like that coverage thing.

953
00:42:16.980 --> 00:42:18.719
I love bouncing about though.

954
00:42:18.780 --> 00:42:20.039
Yeah, yeah, yeah, me too.

955
00:42:20.099 --> 00:42:21.119
Well, that's kind of what you want.

956
00:42:21.179 --> 00:42:24.960
But at some point, for instance, like I want to go back, we did a

957
00:42:24.960 --> 00:42:28.619
big discovery. is the 2nd least covered.

958
00:42:28.679 --> 00:42:30.480
16.7%.

959
00:42:30.599 --> 00:42:34.440
In fact, after next week, it will be the least covered.

960
00:42:35.760 --> 00:42:37.440
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right.

961
00:42:37.559 --> 00:42:38.039
That's right.

962
00:42:38.099 --> 00:42:39.420
And then Picard.

963
00:42:39.480 --> 00:42:43.019
You know, because there's only 37 of them, and we've done 6 of

964
00:42:43.019 --> 00:42:46.440
them, and so doing one more puts it up really high.

965
00:42:46.500 --> 00:42:49.440
Like animated series, we don't have to do another one of those for

966
00:42:49.440 --> 00:42:50.280
the next couple of years.

967
00:42:50.340 --> 00:42:51.719
Like, Christ.

968
00:42:53.760 --> 00:42:57.059
The movies, obviously, because there's hardly any of them.

969
00:42:57.059 --> 00:42:59.639
Stranger Worlds is going to drop 10 episodes this year.

970
00:42:59.699 --> 00:43:05.400
So it will go back down from 20% because we've done 4 out of 20 of

971
00:43:05.400 --> 00:43:08.219
those, but then it'll be 4 out of 30.

972
00:43:08.400 --> 00:43:10.980
I was like, so we've done a seasons.

973
00:43:11.039 --> 00:43:12.659
Oh my god, think about this for a second.

974
00:43:12.719 --> 00:43:13.920
You've done that.

975
00:43:13.920 --> 00:43:15.719
A season's worth of Voyager.

976
00:43:15.780 --> 00:43:18.239
Just over a season's worth of nature.

977
00:43:18.300 --> 00:43:20.880
That means we've got 6 seasons of each.

978
00:43:21.900 --> 00:43:24.539
We've got a long time.

979
00:43:25.079 --> 00:43:27.960
Don't you go tired on me now, all right?

980
00:43:28.019 --> 00:43:29.039
Oh yeah, I'll be fine.

981
00:43:29.099 --> 00:43:31.739
I'm going to be very careful crossing the road and stuff like

982
00:43:31.739 --> 00:43:31.920
that.

983
00:43:31.980 --> 00:43:34.199
And then I retire.

984
00:43:34.260 --> 00:43:35.099
Do you know what I mean?

985
00:43:35.159 --> 00:43:37.860
Like, I'm still going to be doing this in retirement, I think.

986
00:43:37.920 --> 00:43:39.900
Then our schedules will be fine.

987
00:43:40.019 --> 00:43:42.300
You're retired, all right?

988
00:43:43.079 --> 00:43:47.039
Yeah, yeah, pick a time. 4 in the morning, no worries.

989
00:43:47.099 --> 00:43:48.059
I there. don't care.

990
00:43:49.800 --> 00:43:54.119
I'll be adding features to the website all the time and, you know

991
00:43:54.119 --> 00:43:56.579
like maybe spinoffs, who can say?

992
00:43:56.579 --> 00:43:59.639
165 episodes.

993
00:43:59.699 --> 00:44:03.059
Well, so because sometimes you do 2 episodes, right?

994
00:44:03.119 --> 00:44:05.280
Sometimes we do 2 episodes.

995
00:44:05.400 --> 00:44:06.539
So that's happened a few times.

996
00:44:06.599 --> 00:44:09.659
And this figure doesn't count.

997
00:44:09.719 --> 00:44:14.400
Um, this goes only goes up to episode 152, I think.

998
00:44:14.519 --> 00:44:22.079
So it doesn't include the empath and it doesn't include the one we

999
00:44:22.079 --> 00:44:22.920
just used.

1000
00:44:22.980 --> 00:44:24.239
Just what's on the website.

1001
00:44:24.420 --> 00:44:26.820
Yeah, yeah, what's on the website now as we record.

1002
00:44:26.880 --> 00:44:30.900
When we hit 25%, you know, I'm going to suggest we do something.

1003
00:44:31.559 --> 00:44:35.639
We're a quarter. 5th of the way through at some point.

1004
00:44:35.699 --> 00:44:36.539
Do you know what I mean?

1005
00:44:36.599 --> 00:44:39.179
We're currently at 17.35%.

1006
00:44:39.360 --> 00:44:43.500
So at some point we'll hit a 5th of the way through, and we've

1007
00:44:43.500 --> 00:44:48.719
already, like, yeah, yeah, so, yeah, we went from a 7th to a 6th.

1008
00:44:48.780 --> 00:44:51.960
Now we were getting to a 5th but it's a long...

1009
00:44:52.019 --> 00:44:55.800
So in my head, because we've talked so much 90s strike, because, of

1010
00:44:55.800 --> 00:44:57.239
course, there's 4 series there.

1011
00:44:57.300 --> 00:44:57.780
Yeah.

1012
00:44:57.780 --> 00:45:02.280
So altogether, what, so it's like a 100 odd episodes of 90s show

1013
00:45:02.280 --> 00:45:05.639
we're all about, but that's like a fraction of what's there, isn't

1014
00:45:05.639 --> 00:45:05.820
it?

1015
00:45:05.880 --> 00:45:12.840
But like on average, it's roughly, um, roughly one in six, a bit

1016
00:45:12.840 --> 00:45:15.360
over one in 6 episodes that we've done.

1017
00:45:15.420 --> 00:45:17.699
Oh, take us to Voyager XM.

1018
00:45:17.760 --> 00:45:19.440
Let's bump up that number a bit.

1019
00:45:19.500 --> 00:45:20.639
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1020
00:45:20.699 --> 00:45:21.300
That'd be good.

1021
00:45:21.360 --> 00:45:22.980
I'd like to do Voyager.

1022
00:45:22.980 --> 00:45:23.519
It is pretty great.

1023
00:45:23.579 --> 00:45:26.639
Hopefully we'll get something, you know, really ghastly.

1024
00:45:26.699 --> 00:45:30.599
Yeah, post facto or... good. be nice as well.

1025
00:45:30.659 --> 00:45:31.679
You can do a good one.

1026
00:45:31.739 --> 00:45:33.659
It surprises us, isn't it?