WEBVTT NOTE This transcript was created on 2026-06-06 at 22:00:23 1 00:00:21.899 --> 00:00:24.480 Hey, Joe. Hi. 2 00:00:24.539 --> 00:00:31.920 So, we are watching an incredibly recent episode of Star Trek. 3 00:00:31.980 --> 00:00:36.479 This is from the 28th of November 2024. 4 00:00:36.960 --> 00:00:55.020 So something like a bit less than 6 months ago, it's lower deck series 5, episode seven, fully dilated, which I think is a direct quote from the dialogue of Star Trek, the Next Generation's Disaster. 5 00:00:55.079 --> 00:01:02.039 Um, and uh, this is obviously from Lower Deck's final series. 6 00:01:02.159 --> 00:01:06.840 So Lower Decks finished late last year. and is sorely missed. 7 00:01:06.900 --> 00:01:08.640 But it... 8 00:01:08.700 --> 00:01:09.299 Yeah, yeah. 9 00:01:09.359 --> 00:01:14.760 But it is kind of 50 episodes of really excellent Star Trek that we have at our disposal now. 10 00:01:14.819 --> 00:01:17.219 I really enjoyed this episode. 11 00:01:17.280 --> 00:01:24.959 It's very cartoony, but it is also a Star Trek episode, like a kind of solid Star Trek episode. 12 00:01:25.019 --> 00:01:26.219 Very cartoony. 13 00:01:26.280 --> 00:01:27.780 What do you expect from a cartoon? 14 00:01:27.900 --> 00:01:28.620 Yeah. 15 00:01:28.680 --> 00:01:30.420 No, cartoon in a very good way. 16 00:01:30.480 --> 00:01:43.980 You know, one of the things that Lower Decks does is that it always makes the episodes about relationships among the regular characters, because that's kind of the genre. 17 00:01:44.040 --> 00:01:49.500 So the characters always have to learn something about themselves or about themselves in relation to each other. 18 00:01:49.560 --> 00:01:57.900 And that's just a standard trope of all of these episodes, I think. of them just seem to be about the science fiction, particularly. 19 00:01:57.959 --> 00:02:00.540 It very much is about how it affects the characters. 20 00:02:00.599 --> 00:02:04.260 And so here we have Tendi and Talin. 21 00:02:04.319 --> 00:02:17.219 Uh, you've got Tendi and Talim competing to be the senior science officer and Tendi kind of going crazy and taking it too far and losing her shit and then discovering that of course the 2 of them have to do the job together. 22 00:02:17.460 --> 00:02:34.199 I don't think anybody went into lower decks expecting what you just said there. you know, consistently good, enjoyable, likeable, and characterisation that progresses throughout the series and relationships that you. 23 00:02:34.319 --> 00:02:35.699 I don't think anyone expected any that. 24 00:02:35.759 --> 00:02:42.840 I think when they heard it was going to be a Star Trek cartoon, they just figured it was going to be people licking sauce off the consoles. 25 00:02:42.900 --> 00:02:44.099 Like we're getting this episode. 26 00:02:44.159 --> 00:02:47.699 So I guess I understand what you mean by cartoony. 27 00:02:47.759 --> 00:03:04.379 I realise going into this, I think I'm far more in tune with this pace than I am with regular Star Trek, because it used to be that I'd watch, you know, our live action Star Trek, and then I'd watch this and suddenly everyone's talking very fast in a very cartoonist sort of way. 28 00:03:04.439 --> 00:03:09.300 Now, I watch this and I go, ah, God, the no talk slow on the live action shows. 29 00:03:10.860 --> 00:03:13.020 Pick up the pace a bit. 30 00:03:13.080 --> 00:03:15.060 They do it all in 25 minutes over here. 31 00:03:16.080 --> 00:03:21.180 But I came away from this episode like I do most. 32 00:03:21.300 --> 00:03:32.280 Oh, oh, without fail. with a big smile on my face, with at least one surprising moment from a character that was heartwarming. 33 00:03:32.340 --> 00:03:43.439 That's another thing this show does really well is because those central characters, we said this about Rome in DS9, is it's so nice to have characters and Lisa, that are just nice, you know? 34 00:03:43.500 --> 00:03:46.740 And then when horrible things happen to him, you really care. 35 00:03:46.800 --> 00:03:50.099 And when good things happen to them, it makes your heart sing. 36 00:03:50.159 --> 00:03:57.120 So at the end of this episode where Talin reveals what she's actually been doing the whole time for TenD. 37 00:03:57.240 --> 00:03:58.860 It's just gorgeous. 38 00:03:58.919 --> 00:04:01.439 Like, she's a great character, isn't she? 39 00:04:01.500 --> 00:04:09.659 It's eskewing all of that bullshit that Enterprise did. with the with the Vulcans in those early seasons. 40 00:04:09.719 --> 00:04:16.800 I'm turning them into, you know, spiteful, nasty racist villains for the most part. 41 00:04:16.860 --> 00:04:20.279 Like they were holding people back and everyone was cross with them all the time. 42 00:04:20.339 --> 00:04:26.519 And then in this show, right at the heart of the crew, you got this gorgeous Vulcan character. 43 00:04:26.579 --> 00:04:30.240 And we've done 2 episodes now, and in both of them, she surprised me. 44 00:04:30.300 --> 00:04:34.800 And I was thinking, oh, God, you know, in this she's competitive in that one. 45 00:04:34.860 --> 00:04:35.519 What was she doing? 46 00:04:35.579 --> 00:04:36.959 destroying the show. 47 00:04:37.019 --> 00:04:37.500 Yeah. 48 00:04:37.560 --> 00:04:39.360 For Rutherford's sake. 49 00:04:39.420 --> 00:04:47.220 Like she considers Rutherford's feelings and that she realises that Rutherford doesn't want to finish making the little shuttle. 50 00:04:47.279 --> 00:04:52.920 And so she destroys it so that he and Tendi still have something to do when they get back together. 51 00:04:52.980 --> 00:04:55.740 And so she's sensitive to his feelings. 52 00:04:55.800 --> 00:05:04.319 And then here she's trying to kind of patch things up with Tandy, who's being a dick. totally misinterpret what she's doing. 53 00:05:04.379 --> 00:05:04.860 Exactly. 54 00:05:04.920 --> 00:05:08.399 And the wonderful thing is, like, Tandy is so great. 55 00:05:08.459 --> 00:05:24.839 Like, we've talked about how Dawn Lewis is kind of a brilliant cartoon character is the captain, where she's sort of an adult, but it's also kind of played slightly childishly and like a cartoon character and it's exaggerated and stuff like that. 56 00:05:24.899 --> 00:05:27.420 But she's still like a sort of proper captain. 57 00:05:27.480 --> 00:05:39.420 The great thing about Tendee, is she's really sweet and terribly enthusiastic, but she's also kind of on the edge of hysteria, you know, but she... 58 00:05:40.259 --> 00:05:42.959 Yeah, she takes things too far sometimes. 59 00:05:43.019 --> 00:05:51.000 And so here we have her just being crazy because she's so desperate to become the senior science officer. 60 00:05:51.060 --> 00:05:59.399 And her design to become the senior science officer is just a lovely character thing because she loves science and she's a giant nerd. 61 00:05:59.459 --> 00:06:03.000 But it also fits in with that stuff from earlier in the season. 62 00:06:03.120 --> 00:06:04.319 Do you know what I mean? 63 00:06:04.379 --> 00:06:13.079 Where she couldn't serve on board the Cerritos because she had to do things at home as, you know, mistress of the winter constellations. 64 00:06:13.139 --> 00:06:18.959 And so, like, it enriched that a little bit more, and there's a little bit of sort of reference to that here. 65 00:06:19.019 --> 00:06:21.420 And just all of that stuff is so great. 66 00:06:21.480 --> 00:06:23.279 Like, the setting is really good. 67 00:06:23.339 --> 00:06:32.459 The setting is proper classic Star Trek, you know, like the planet that looks like... indoor outdoor sets that we normally get in. 68 00:06:32.519 --> 00:06:33.959 No, it is straight. 69 00:06:34.019 --> 00:06:41.339 The best joke in this, though, was the chief lurker, the man who always turns up going, what are you doing? 70 00:06:41.399 --> 00:06:43.259 This is all very suspicious behaviour. 71 00:06:43.319 --> 00:06:45.120 No, I'm sorry, go and watch 90 Streke. 72 00:06:45.180 --> 00:06:46.379 Every time they beat him somewhere. 73 00:06:46.439 --> 00:06:47.040 Do you remember that? 74 00:06:47.160 --> 00:06:49.379 That fucking little kid in time and again? 75 00:06:49.439 --> 00:06:49.920 Yeah. 76 00:06:49.920 --> 00:06:52.680 Do you remember when they beamed down there to see as the one avoid you? 77 00:06:52.740 --> 00:06:54.480 that goofy kid going, ugh. 78 00:06:54.540 --> 00:06:55.560 What are you doing here? 79 00:06:55.620 --> 00:06:56.819 Strangers. 80 00:06:56.879 --> 00:06:57.959 He's basically that character. 81 00:06:58.019 --> 00:06:59.639 Oh, he's so funny. 82 00:06:59.699 --> 00:07:01.439 He is really hilarious. 83 00:07:01.500 --> 00:07:07.379 Doesn't Mariner say you always get a lurker like this when you're in a carbon creek kind of situation? 84 00:07:07.439 --> 00:07:09.060 Carbon Creek? 85 00:07:09.120 --> 00:07:13.620 Oh, the mentions of other episodes are off the scale in this. 86 00:07:13.680 --> 00:07:15.959 We'll miss some because they come thick and fast. 87 00:07:16.019 --> 00:07:22.439 But I actually felt that it wasn't quite as jokey and not quite as dependent. 88 00:07:22.500 --> 00:07:25.860 I mean, despite the fact that you have a big guest turn for Brent Spiner. 89 00:07:25.920 --> 00:07:28.920 Like, it's not quite as dependent on the other Star Trek. 90 00:07:29.040 --> 00:07:34.560 Like it is still telling a Star Trek story, even though elements of it are really preposterous and stuff. 91 00:07:34.620 --> 00:07:41.699 You've got the time dilation thing, you've got them, you know, having to do science, things to survive on this planet. 92 00:07:41.759 --> 00:07:43.980 But it's about the people. 93 00:07:44.100 --> 00:07:45.839 It's about their relationships. 94 00:07:45.899 --> 00:07:47.339 And that's my in. 95 00:07:47.399 --> 00:07:47.939 You know that. 96 00:07:48.000 --> 00:07:51.300 Star Trek to talk to anything is do I care about the people? 97 00:07:51.360 --> 00:07:53.040 I don't give a shit about the Taylor babble. 98 00:07:53.100 --> 00:07:53.939 Do I care about the people? 99 00:07:54.000 --> 00:07:55.319 Yeah, I really do. 100 00:07:56.100 --> 00:08:01.680 I kept waiting for this episode to be something bigger than it was. 101 00:08:01.740 --> 00:08:09.420 I said to you, the 2nd they found the date ahead, I was like, oh, God, well, it's law, you know, and it's going to be your evil, something terrible. 102 00:08:09.480 --> 00:08:11.160 It's all part of some master plan. 103 00:08:11.160 --> 00:08:13.560 No, none of it. 104 00:08:13.620 --> 00:08:14.279 Not at all. 105 00:08:14.399 --> 00:08:17.639 It just plays out in a very gentle way. 106 00:08:17.759 --> 00:08:19.560 And there are bigger episodes of Lower Decks. 107 00:08:19.620 --> 00:08:25.500 So, you know, they do do spectacle, but this is a, uh, and I don't mean this in a critical way. 108 00:08:25.560 --> 00:08:33.720 This is a mid-level lower decks episode that just fires all of those entertainment shots that you and I love about this show. 109 00:08:33.779 --> 00:08:35.279 Oh, let's go watch it. 110 00:08:35.340 --> 00:08:35.940 Yeah, wonderful. 111 00:08:36.000 --> 00:08:39.480 I've yet to be disappointed, you know, by lower decks. 112 00:08:39.600 --> 00:08:43.620 All the other shows, you know, even DS9 let me down like a few times. 113 00:08:43.679 --> 00:08:45.120 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 114 00:08:45.179 --> 00:08:49.080 Well, to be fair, they were putting out quite a lot of Deep Space Nine. 115 00:08:49.139 --> 00:08:49.799 That is true. 116 00:08:49.860 --> 00:08:51.299 Quite a short amount of time. 117 00:08:51.360 --> 00:08:55.919 In terms of runtime, you know, the difference between DS9 and lower decks is extraordinary. 118 00:08:55.919 --> 00:08:57.240 It is extraordinary. 119 00:08:57.299 --> 00:08:57.840 Yeah. 120 00:08:57.899 --> 00:08:58.860 All right. 121 00:08:58.919 --> 00:09:00.600 I will count us in. 122 00:09:00.840 --> 00:09:07.200 Five, four, three, two, one, and we're off. 123 00:09:07.620 --> 00:09:09.960 I've got to be honest, Nathan. 124 00:09:10.019 --> 00:09:21.659 I mean, I admitted to this to you off camera, but I think I should probably say it now, is there was a point in this episode where 2 cartoon characters had their tops off and I was coming over a bit hot and bothered. 125 00:09:21.720 --> 00:09:23.940 I don't know what that says about me. 126 00:09:24.000 --> 00:09:28.440 But that's a thing, right? 127 00:09:28.500 --> 00:09:29.820 People do fancy cartoon characters. 128 00:09:29.940 --> 00:09:31.019 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 129 00:09:31.080 --> 00:09:31.620 Oh, absolutely. 130 00:09:31.679 --> 00:09:33.659 No, that's the thing that happens to me all the time. 131 00:09:33.720 --> 00:09:51.360 So we're, this is the ongoing plot for this season which there, there are fishes between our universes, you know, like the alternative universe versus, uh, we've had a purple version of the Enterprise, which has just gone through the fisher. 132 00:09:51.659 --> 00:09:52.440 We just missed Nick. 133 00:09:52.559 --> 00:09:55.740 And we noticed that... 134 00:09:55.799 --> 00:10:00.120 Yeah, we didn't get to see it, but it has left something behind on this nearby... 135 00:10:00.179 --> 00:10:00.659 Excuse me. 136 00:10:00.720 --> 00:10:01.320 Did you not hear? 137 00:10:01.379 --> 00:10:03.360 They were battling clones of Tashiar. 138 00:10:03.419 --> 00:10:06.419 Yes, yeah, or whatever she says, I can't keep up. 139 00:10:07.200 --> 00:10:09.840 Do you know what's so sad though, right? 140 00:10:09.899 --> 00:10:20.879 I didn't realise this was an ongoing story arc because every fucking episode we go up to a anomaly anyway, so like it's there could just be a standalone this. 141 00:10:20.940 --> 00:10:34.259 So what happens in the 1st episode, they meet an alternative Cerritos, and that has a much cooler Brad Boimler on it, and Boimler steals a pad from that Boimler. 142 00:10:34.320 --> 00:10:36.240 It's the red pad that he... 143 00:10:36.240 --> 00:10:37.500 Oh, they refer to it in there. 144 00:10:37.559 --> 00:10:39.480 And that's why he's growing the beard. 145 00:10:39.539 --> 00:10:41.759 He takes all season to grow the beard. 146 00:10:41.820 --> 00:10:50.759 Notice that hot little, um, Rutherford is growing a Geordie, uh, lifestyle beard. 147 00:10:50.940 --> 00:10:52.500 At this point. 148 00:10:52.500 --> 00:10:55.320 The actor must be getting married next week. 149 00:10:55.379 --> 00:10:57.659 But they have a conversation, don't they? 150 00:10:57.659 --> 00:11:04.259 Where, uh, we talk about how great Rutherford's beard looks and how he's going, I've been getting compliments and Boimlig is, yeah. 151 00:11:04.320 --> 00:11:08.700 I haven't been getting compliments because he's got these crappy, bum fluffy. you know? 152 00:11:08.700 --> 00:11:09.360 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 153 00:11:09.419 --> 00:11:14.940 By the end of the season, it's pretty respectable looking, but it does take him a whole season to grow it. 154 00:11:15.000 --> 00:11:18.360 It's very much at the bum fluff stage at this story. 155 00:11:18.419 --> 00:11:19.200 Yeah, it's pretty terrible. 156 00:11:19.259 --> 00:11:20.399 It does look pretty terrible. 157 00:11:20.460 --> 00:11:24.539 I just love the fact that there's all these alternative you do earth with different coloured enterprises. 158 00:11:24.659 --> 00:11:31.379 Well, that whole, that whole alternative universe is mostly purple, it's much purpler than our universe. 159 00:11:31.440 --> 00:11:35.340 And when data learns that our enterprise is gray. 160 00:11:35.399 --> 00:11:39.720 He says, oh, that's a strange choice given that purple was an option. was always an option. 161 00:11:39.840 --> 00:11:44.639 Now, here's something in the credits that we're about to see, where it says lower deck. 162 00:11:44.759 --> 00:11:47.700 See, there's that blue stuff going off into the distance. 163 00:11:47.759 --> 00:11:49.080 Like the... 164 00:11:49.440 --> 00:11:53.279 That's the season 5 Star Trek, the next generation thing. 165 00:11:53.340 --> 00:11:56.220 This is season 5 of Star Trek Lower Death. 166 00:11:58.139 --> 00:12:03.240 And this show where they've been adding things every season. 167 00:12:03.299 --> 00:12:04.200 This was the bit. 168 00:12:04.259 --> 00:12:08.759 This was the bit that wasn't part of the episode when the Foley and Web came over everything. 169 00:12:08.820 --> 00:12:10.679 I just screamed out. 170 00:12:10.740 --> 00:12:13.080 There's Vja comes in at the end. 171 00:12:13.679 --> 00:12:17.820 Oh, I was like, that fellow, you... 172 00:12:19.259 --> 00:12:27.419 There's like, you need to pause to take in the detail that's just Borg and Romulans in the 1st series. 173 00:12:27.419 --> 00:12:33.299 And then they added silicon avatars and they added the, you know, the thing from Star Trek 4 and all of that. 174 00:12:33.360 --> 00:12:38.340 Do you know, I always forget that that alien is sucking the arse of the serios in that. 175 00:12:38.399 --> 00:12:40.379 Every time I forget. 176 00:12:40.440 --> 00:12:43.500 And then when he comes into shock, that makes me how. 177 00:12:43.500 --> 00:12:53.279 That alien appears on the strange new world title sequence in the episode where Boimer and Marina turn up on the Enterprise. 178 00:12:53.340 --> 00:12:59.159 This joke where she's having to, you know, turn them into the natives of this species. 179 00:12:59.220 --> 00:13:00.000 Dr. Tana. 180 00:13:00.059 --> 00:13:04.080 She goes, I don't know, whatever this shit I'm doing is I did not sign up for this. 181 00:13:05.580 --> 00:13:09.179 I was like, yes, we need the doctor. 182 00:13:09.240 --> 00:13:11.700 We need Dr. Beverly to say these lines in the world. 183 00:13:12.240 --> 00:13:15.059 Whatever the fuck I'm doing here. 184 00:13:15.120 --> 00:13:15.600 She goes. 185 00:13:16.019 --> 00:13:18.240 Oh bless them. 186 00:13:18.299 --> 00:13:22.019 Where, where, Tana says the whole planet's gonna smell like dog shit. 187 00:13:22.080 --> 00:13:24.720 And then she says, oh no, it'll be fine. 188 00:13:24.779 --> 00:13:28.500 And then at the end, she says, do you want me to cauterise your set receptor? 189 00:13:28.559 --> 00:13:29.639 She says, yes, that would be great. 190 00:13:29.700 --> 00:13:33.419 I don't know what they're drinking but it's got shrimp come out. 191 00:13:33.480 --> 00:13:34.799 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 192 00:13:34.799 --> 00:13:36.000 It looks miserable. 193 00:13:36.059 --> 00:13:36.720 Is that from his pad? 194 00:13:36.779 --> 00:13:37.980 That's a recipe. 195 00:13:38.039 --> 00:13:39.059 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 196 00:13:39.120 --> 00:13:42.059 This is something that that the other Brad Boynler would have drunk. 197 00:13:42.120 --> 00:13:43.740 Don't you love as well? 198 00:13:43.799 --> 00:13:51.840 But in order for them to fit in on this planet, they've done the lazy 90s trek thing, I've just given them a pair of horns. just a bit of latex on their heads. 199 00:13:51.899 --> 00:13:53.580 Yeah, it's really wonderful. 200 00:13:54.000 --> 00:13:57.419 So they basically boimler now, right? 201 00:13:57.480 --> 00:14:07.740 They don't leave the transporter pad because they spill their shrimp juice all over the console and we just keep cutting back to them because there's a time dilation effect. brilliant, isn't it? 202 00:14:07.860 --> 00:14:10.799 This scene just plays out across the episode. 203 00:14:10.860 --> 00:14:17.159 Think about, think about the Empire Strikes Back, right? 204 00:14:17.220 --> 00:14:26.100 Where a whole heap of stuff happens to Leia and Hahn over the course of a day or 2 while they're being pursued by the imperial fleet. 205 00:14:26.159 --> 00:14:33.899 Somehow, Luke is spending at the same time like weeks and weeks learning from Coda, but we cut back between them and none of that makes any sense. 206 00:14:33.899 --> 00:14:46.259 Here, because of the time dilation, we cut between months and months of these guys getting to live on this planet and learn about it to the same situation which is happening at, you know, much slower speed. 207 00:14:46.379 --> 00:14:49.740 Oh, no, you can see the sort of mountainous range there. 208 00:14:49.799 --> 00:14:50.700 But look at the rock set. 209 00:14:50.759 --> 00:14:52.019 It's a bit like that TOS episode. 210 00:14:52.080 --> 00:14:53.820 They were always doing that. 211 00:14:53.879 --> 00:14:55.440 It's beautiful, isn't it? 212 00:14:55.500 --> 00:14:57.059 Because the planet's all purple. 213 00:14:57.120 --> 00:15:00.360 Um, and the, like that looks like the Paramount lot. 214 00:15:00.480 --> 00:15:01.259 Do you know what I mean? 215 00:15:01.379 --> 00:15:06.419 Like that looks like the Paramount lot. but they've made it look more impressive. 216 00:15:06.480 --> 00:15:17.279 They know their audience as well because last week when you told me the premise of this episode, I said to you, in the tag, just like that Voyager episode, and she said it in this. 217 00:15:17.279 --> 00:15:19.799 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. 218 00:15:19.860 --> 00:15:21.659 Oh, here he is. 219 00:15:21.720 --> 00:15:22.919 Chief Lurka Snell. 220 00:15:22.980 --> 00:15:23.639 Snell. 221 00:15:23.639 --> 00:15:24.240 Snell? 222 00:15:24.299 --> 00:15:24.659 Yeah. 223 00:15:25.980 --> 00:15:28.559 He looks like a snail, doesn't he? 224 00:15:28.620 --> 00:15:30.779 Out of gobblers, eh? 225 00:15:33.840 --> 00:15:34.980 Oh no, that looks beautiful. 226 00:15:35.100 --> 00:15:37.440 Look at that lush verdant countryside. 227 00:15:37.559 --> 00:15:39.179 Yeah, yeah, it is lovely, isn't it? 228 00:15:39.240 --> 00:15:40.200 Beautiful country house. 229 00:15:40.259 --> 00:15:45.000 They sit up in the house and then snail turns up and goes, yeah. lurking. 230 00:15:45.059 --> 00:15:45.840 He doing lurking. 231 00:15:47.639 --> 00:15:53.460 So, well, this was in the last adventure that, obviously, offscreen, Tashiar's clones or whatever. 232 00:15:53.519 --> 00:15:56.759 Data's head was ejected out of the enterprise for some reason. 233 00:15:56.820 --> 00:16:05.279 No, data's on the ship and they say that his body burned up in the crash and that only his head was left. 234 00:16:05.340 --> 00:16:07.200 So... 235 00:16:07.320 --> 00:16:08.340 We have been here before, you know. 236 00:16:08.340 --> 00:16:09.299 Yeah. 237 00:16:09.299 --> 00:16:11.879 No, he mentions that, but he does mention the times arrow thing. 238 00:16:11.940 --> 00:16:16.259 He mentions the very end of times arrow and how he's been ahead before and how he gets rescued. 239 00:16:16.379 --> 00:16:19.500 So yes, he has been ahead before. 240 00:16:19.559 --> 00:16:21.480 And, of course, that means... 241 00:16:21.480 --> 00:16:23.279 How do you know he's from the Purple Dimension? 242 00:16:23.340 --> 00:16:24.779 Well, he's slightly purple, isn't he? 243 00:16:24.840 --> 00:16:25.620 That's right. 244 00:16:26.460 --> 00:16:29.879 What are you doing hanging about down here in this pit? 245 00:16:29.940 --> 00:16:30.840 He goes. 246 00:16:30.899 --> 00:16:32.700 He's really great. 247 00:16:32.820 --> 00:16:34.860 I haven't seen you in the town before. 248 00:16:34.919 --> 00:16:36.720 He's just like that goofy kid. 249 00:16:36.779 --> 00:16:38.460 I mean, what about this? 250 00:16:38.519 --> 00:16:41.879 Like, you always say that you're from the northern continent or something? 251 00:16:41.940 --> 00:16:43.620 Yes, they do that. 252 00:16:43.679 --> 00:16:51.480 But then Delin juggles in order to impress and distract him and it turns out that she's never juggled... 253 00:16:51.539 --> 00:16:52.320 She never juggled before. 254 00:16:52.379 --> 00:16:56.940 It was simply algorithmic tossing, which... 255 00:16:57.000 --> 00:16:58.799 And tend he even looks jealous about that. 256 00:16:58.860 --> 00:17:00.960 Oh, she's using siles to juggle. 257 00:17:01.019 --> 00:17:07.559 No, because that's the thing is that like to Lynn in this is just better than Tandy at everything. 258 00:17:08.160 --> 00:17:15.900 I did wonder if the twists at the end would be that she would step aside and say, no, you are, because absolutely Tendi is that person. 259 00:17:15.960 --> 00:17:17.700 But I'm pleased with where they go. 260 00:17:17.759 --> 00:17:19.319 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 261 00:17:19.380 --> 00:17:22.500 But she's so wanted it that it would have been a shame. 262 00:17:22.559 --> 00:17:28.380 And now we got back to its mere seconds, you know, weeks have passed year, but it's mere seconds. 263 00:17:28.440 --> 00:17:33.779 And so, boy, I'm like, boy. 264 00:17:33.839 --> 00:17:35.279 Excuse me. 265 00:17:35.339 --> 00:17:36.299 Oh, hang on. 266 00:17:36.359 --> 00:17:36.900 How old is he? 267 00:17:36.960 --> 00:17:39.240 Yeah, no, he's all that. 268 00:17:39.240 --> 00:17:39.900 They're adults. 269 00:17:39.960 --> 00:17:40.440 Okay good. 270 00:17:40.500 --> 00:17:41.700 Yeah, I know. 271 00:17:41.759 --> 00:17:43.140 That sort of twinkish physique. 272 00:17:43.259 --> 00:17:44.579 That's quite appealing. 273 00:17:46.920 --> 00:17:49.920 I can't believe we're doing this in a car, too. 274 00:17:49.980 --> 00:17:53.279 You wait till you wait till the other one gets his gear off, all right? 275 00:17:53.339 --> 00:18:03.779 What about what about Tandy saying that when she does all of this sort of investigating the plants, her away mission resume will be more padded than a Romulan's shoulder? 276 00:18:04.680 --> 00:18:06.539 Did she say that? 277 00:18:06.599 --> 00:18:07.380 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 278 00:18:07.799 --> 00:18:11.400 We have made similar remarks, Tendee, about that. 279 00:18:11.460 --> 00:18:12.480 Okay, and so... 280 00:18:12.539 --> 00:18:18.180 Mariner is comparing, is comparing this to the inner light. 281 00:18:18.359 --> 00:18:24.359 And so she's decided that she needs to go and leave a full rich and happy life like Picard does in those 25 minutes. 282 00:18:24.420 --> 00:18:26.640 This could be my probe life. 283 00:18:26.700 --> 00:18:27.180 She goes. 284 00:18:27.299 --> 00:18:28.500 Yeah, yeah, yeah, my probe life. 285 00:18:28.559 --> 00:18:37.859 And she does actually, she goes, I have to go and find a flute, and in fact, that's the final gag is her playing the soap flute that she's carved out of soap while she's feeding prison. 286 00:18:37.920 --> 00:18:39.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 287 00:18:39.839 --> 00:18:43.200 I mean, Picard were much better, let's be honest. 288 00:18:43.500 --> 00:18:45.900 Stelle lurking. 289 00:18:46.619 --> 00:18:49.920 I thought this house was abandoned. 290 00:18:50.099 --> 00:18:52.740 I'll be keeping an eye on you. 291 00:18:54.900 --> 00:19:01.859 Look, even the way he sort of scurries away, it's great. 292 00:19:01.920 --> 00:19:08.819 What I love is, right, is where they try, he almost gets the people on side at the end and then they go, oh, it's snail again. 293 00:19:08.880 --> 00:19:10.740 Get in the wrong end of the stick. 294 00:19:11.400 --> 00:19:13.680 Get a job, Snell. 295 00:19:13.799 --> 00:19:21.960 You know, I didn't notice, you are right, that that, um, cityscape did look like the... 296 00:19:22.019 --> 00:19:23.279 Yeah, that is global. 297 00:19:23.339 --> 00:19:24.480 Again, clearly, deliberately. 298 00:19:24.599 --> 00:19:28.500 Like, in long shot, it looks like what the Paramount lot is trying to represent. 299 00:19:28.559 --> 00:19:29.519 It looks really good. 300 00:19:29.579 --> 00:19:34.440 It does look like a 19th century American thing, but in the square. 301 00:19:34.500 --> 00:19:35.640 Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. 302 00:19:35.700 --> 00:19:39.720 I've got to have a look and see if it feels like past tense or all the others. 303 00:19:39.779 --> 00:19:42.059 Or like the inner light. 304 00:19:42.119 --> 00:19:43.079 Not the inner light. 305 00:19:43.140 --> 00:19:44.519 Times arrow, you know. 306 00:19:44.940 --> 00:19:47.940 Now, this is not a criticism. 307 00:19:48.000 --> 00:19:49.380 You can hear the age in. 308 00:19:49.380 --> 00:19:51.299 Bred is voice now, can't you? 309 00:19:51.359 --> 00:19:51.900 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 310 00:19:51.960 --> 00:19:59.039 But he is playing that sort of lovely data, sort of mid-seasons before he got his emotion chip data, which I love. 311 00:19:59.160 --> 00:20:00.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 312 00:20:00.059 --> 00:20:05.339 No, it's kind of sweet, actually, and he gets to talk a little bit like a cartoon character as well. 313 00:20:05.880 --> 00:20:08.819 Snell is lurking in a tree. 314 00:20:12.240 --> 00:20:14.099 Oh, bless her. 315 00:20:14.819 --> 00:20:19.559 Oh, these things were just lovely, though, between 10 D and data. 316 00:20:19.619 --> 00:20:20.759 Yeah, yeah. 317 00:20:20.819 --> 00:20:21.660 I think so too. 318 00:20:21.779 --> 00:20:27.720 And I figured that she was just going to use him to outsmart her, but actually it's better than that. 319 00:20:27.779 --> 00:20:28.859 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 320 00:20:28.920 --> 00:20:31.200 I mean, in a way that is kind of her thing. 321 00:20:31.259 --> 00:20:49.680 And what she doesn't realise is that she has, of course, like, you know, she gets annoyed because um, to Lynn almost immediately creates a windmill and starts creating flour using the windmill, but she does create a water wheel that powers and recharges data's head. 322 00:20:49.740 --> 00:20:56.700 And she doesn't kind of make a big fuss about it, but she's super capable without even sort of properly realising it. 323 00:20:56.759 --> 00:21:01.019 I'm getting sort of echos of thine own self from this, a little bit. 324 00:21:01.019 --> 00:21:02.279 Absolutely. 325 00:21:02.339 --> 00:21:04.440 Where he was making technology for them as well. 326 00:21:04.500 --> 00:21:06.000 There was a line there. 327 00:21:06.119 --> 00:21:15.059 That's a great example of the very powerful character work in this where Data said I was the 1st Android on a starship. 328 00:21:15.119 --> 00:21:20.819 I understand what it's like to be the 1st and it just reiterates why she wants it so badly. 329 00:21:20.880 --> 00:21:34.140 Yeah, because, like, we have that even in the lower in the Strangely Worlds episode with Mariner and Boimler in it about whether Orions are pirates or whether they can be scientists. 330 00:21:34.200 --> 00:21:37.200 Yeah Okay, now what's his name? 331 00:21:37.259 --> 00:21:38.819 Rutherford's got his shirt off. 332 00:21:38.940 --> 00:21:42.000 Rutherford's got his shirt off and it looks... 333 00:21:42.059 --> 00:21:43.500 He looks as pretty as I imagine. 334 00:21:43.500 --> 00:21:45.000 Livar Burton would look. 335 00:21:45.059 --> 00:21:46.140 If he took his shirt off. 336 00:21:46.200 --> 00:21:46.799 Yeah, yeah. 337 00:21:46.859 --> 00:21:51.599 But did you notice there was a, I was about to say a scene shop. 338 00:21:51.660 --> 00:21:52.500 There's no camera work. 339 00:21:52.559 --> 00:21:57.900 It's drawn from inside the pad with all the sauce all over it. 340 00:21:57.960 --> 00:21:59.819 Yeah, that's great. 341 00:21:59.819 --> 00:22:01.140 I was like, oh, that is great. 342 00:22:03.599 --> 00:22:08.519 Like you can't get lazy animation, but they're never lazy on this shit. 343 00:22:08.579 --> 00:22:11.039 No, no, this is expensive, clever animation. 344 00:22:11.099 --> 00:22:12.599 This holy crap. 345 00:22:12.660 --> 00:22:13.259 This is so funny. 346 00:22:13.319 --> 00:22:18.900 And so she's been growing things, but of course, because she's Talin, those things are grapes. 347 00:22:19.019 --> 00:22:20.940 It's like with the melons. 348 00:22:21.240 --> 00:22:23.640 The melons don't fit from the door. that shot? 349 00:22:23.700 --> 00:22:24.779 Look at the shot. 350 00:22:24.839 --> 00:22:32.039 Like suddenly for the 1st time, Teddy looks out the window and sees how big the produce is, which is... 351 00:22:32.099 --> 00:22:33.180 You see the size of the carrot? 352 00:22:33.180 --> 00:22:34.500 She takes the mark. 353 00:22:34.559 --> 00:22:36.000 It's her fucking monster. 354 00:22:36.059 --> 00:22:37.079 It's wonderful. 355 00:22:37.140 --> 00:22:41.519 There's a scene where she's sort of taking them to the town in a big waggon and stuff. 356 00:22:41.579 --> 00:22:42.720 And all of this stuff. 357 00:22:42.779 --> 00:22:49.500 We discover later is to Lynn trying to reach out to Tandy because Tandy's spending all of her time with data. 358 00:22:49.500 --> 00:22:56.880 Sort of, because we know there can be that sort of pushback from Vulcans. 359 00:22:56.940 --> 00:22:59.099 Like, we don't suspect it until it's revealed. 360 00:22:59.160 --> 00:23:00.960 And then it's all, it's really lovely. 361 00:23:01.559 --> 00:23:06.480 Because if I sort of knew what was happening, it wouldn't hit in the same way. 362 00:23:06.539 --> 00:23:09.900 Did you notice he had the sheet over him there, a bit like Frankenstein's monster? 363 00:23:09.960 --> 00:23:12.420 And in a minute, you can see all the electricity. 364 00:23:12.480 --> 00:23:14.099 She's going crazy with it. 365 00:23:14.160 --> 00:23:15.720 No, when she's going crazy. 366 00:23:15.779 --> 00:23:17.099 She's decided she's not going to sleep. 367 00:23:17.160 --> 00:23:20.519 She's just gonna eat stimulant leaf and stuff and say, like, look at that. 368 00:23:20.579 --> 00:23:21.900 Look at that. 369 00:23:21.960 --> 00:23:23.039 The sneller... 370 00:23:23.039 --> 00:23:24.299 Look at the... 371 00:23:24.299 --> 00:23:31.559 Look at that mutated vegetable So Marin has been in prison for her because she accidentally horned that guy in the eye. 372 00:23:31.619 --> 00:23:33.420 So she went to prison. 373 00:23:34.019 --> 00:23:36.119 She knows what she said, though. 374 00:23:36.180 --> 00:23:38.279 I can't believe I got that sentence. 375 00:23:38.339 --> 00:23:40.200 This is even worse than the Edo planet. 376 00:23:40.259 --> 00:23:42.299 Yeah, it's an Edo bullshit. 377 00:23:43.920 --> 00:23:46.980 Oh, and then she uses the grape. 378 00:23:47.039 --> 00:23:49.740 She thinks I'm going to make myself useful and to put out this flame. 379 00:23:49.799 --> 00:23:52.380 It turns out it's the sacred flame of the city. 380 00:23:52.440 --> 00:23:54.839 And she goes straight back to prison. 381 00:23:54.960 --> 00:23:58.319 And so she actually ends up having a prison family. 382 00:23:58.380 --> 00:23:59.099 It turns out. 383 00:23:59.099 --> 00:24:00.180 Oh, it's great. 384 00:24:00.240 --> 00:24:01.799 They give her a big hug, don't they? 385 00:24:01.859 --> 00:24:03.420 Yeah, 2 of them are murderers. 386 00:24:03.480 --> 00:24:04.140 Don't tell me that. 387 00:24:05.220 --> 00:24:07.259 Oh, that's it. 388 00:24:07.319 --> 00:24:08.579 They're still licking the console. 389 00:24:08.640 --> 00:24:09.359 What is that? 390 00:24:09.420 --> 00:24:10.799 It looks miserable. 391 00:24:10.859 --> 00:24:12.660 Just so ridiculous. 392 00:24:12.720 --> 00:24:15.119 This is as silly as I think it's been. 393 00:24:15.180 --> 00:24:16.500 He goes. 394 00:24:16.559 --> 00:24:18.599 Ooh, it tastes like his hands. 395 00:24:18.660 --> 00:24:20.039 I don't think he washes his hand. 396 00:24:20.099 --> 00:24:20.880 Oh yeah, Lundy. 397 00:24:20.940 --> 00:24:23.940 Lundy, the transporter sheep who smells. 398 00:24:24.000 --> 00:24:25.559 It tastes like Lundy smells. 399 00:24:26.819 --> 00:24:29.819 I don't want to know what he's asking for this. 400 00:24:31.859 --> 00:24:33.839 Oh, dear. 401 00:24:36.900 --> 00:24:39.599 It's just like, it just looks pretty as well, there. 402 00:24:39.720 --> 00:24:40.559 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 403 00:24:40.619 --> 00:24:40.980 Yeah, yeah. 404 00:24:41.039 --> 00:24:41.579 Yeah, yeah. 405 00:24:41.640 --> 00:25:01.859 Well, I think, like, even though this isn't the purple alternate planet, you know, the purple alternative universe that data is from, like, it's got a really strong sort of, and it is that sort of 19th century American thing, which, you know, is a aesthetic that Star Trek uses to represent a primitive planet. 406 00:25:01.920 --> 00:25:05.400 Like they don't attempt to make it look spacey. 407 00:25:05.460 --> 00:25:06.900 They just make it look like America. 408 00:25:06.960 --> 00:25:08.220 And that... 409 00:25:08.220 --> 00:25:15.180 This could be non-sequitur now, past tense. any one of those episodes on the back lot with a few market stalls out the front. 410 00:25:15.240 --> 00:25:24.720 And so Talin has made money, and Tandy's worried that she's selling medicine, but what it turns out is she's selling hair conditioner. 411 00:25:27.599 --> 00:25:30.779 Everyone's got lush, beautiful hair from now on. from now on. 412 00:25:30.839 --> 00:25:32.759 And it comes... 413 00:25:32.819 --> 00:25:33.779 Yeah, look at the man. 414 00:25:33.779 --> 00:25:38.460 Hitting on the woman there. like the guy with the really long hair. 415 00:25:40.200 --> 00:25:42.240 Because he's worth it. 416 00:25:42.299 --> 00:25:43.079 That's right. 417 00:25:44.220 --> 00:25:46.140 Oh my god. 418 00:25:46.200 --> 00:25:48.660 Oh, I wish they stopped showing us these... 419 00:25:48.660 --> 00:25:51.119 It's probably going out with their tops off, covered in sauce. 420 00:25:51.180 --> 00:25:53.700 I had a dream about this once, you know. 421 00:25:54.539 --> 00:25:57.119 All right, so we're back. 422 00:25:57.180 --> 00:25:58.140 We made it work. 423 00:25:58.200 --> 00:26:02.579 We've leaked all of the fucking horrible cocktail off the panel. 424 00:26:02.640 --> 00:26:04.200 Yeah, yeah. 425 00:26:04.259 --> 00:26:10.740 Like, Teddy's trying to work out how Talin could have done the wrong thing by giving everyone lovely lush hair. 426 00:26:10.799 --> 00:26:14.400 But Data says that he thinks that it probably is a good thing. 427 00:26:14.460 --> 00:26:16.740 But now she's getting paranoid and weird. 428 00:26:16.799 --> 00:26:17.819 It's a sheen leg. 429 00:26:17.880 --> 00:26:19.740 I'm tired of your sass. 430 00:26:19.740 --> 00:26:21.240 I'm getting real tired of your sass. 431 00:26:21.359 --> 00:26:23.160 You get some sleep. 432 00:26:24.720 --> 00:26:27.119 And then snails watching. 433 00:26:27.180 --> 00:26:27.660 I knew it. 434 00:26:28.259 --> 00:26:30.720 He's got a hornless. 435 00:26:30.779 --> 00:26:32.519 She has a hornless demon head. 436 00:26:33.059 --> 00:26:35.339 Oh, she's so tired. 437 00:26:37.259 --> 00:26:39.480 There's a lesson here, right? 438 00:26:39.539 --> 00:26:42.119 don't compete with people too much Yes, exactly right. 439 00:26:42.180 --> 00:26:43.799 But that's it. you know what I mean? 440 00:26:43.859 --> 00:26:49.019 Like she's being crazy competitive and it turns out they just compliment one another and they both get the job. 441 00:26:49.079 --> 00:26:51.779 It would be exhausting trying to keep up with you, you know. 442 00:26:51.839 --> 00:26:55.200 That's why I let you do loads of talking and I'll come in with a joke at the end. 443 00:26:58.619 --> 00:27:01.200 It's creepy lurking. 444 00:27:01.259 --> 00:27:03.539 Play creepy lurking has paid off. 445 00:27:03.599 --> 00:27:06.480 Talking hornless demon head. 446 00:27:10.559 --> 00:27:14.880 Oh, put you on show soon enough when I'm back with the angry mob. 447 00:27:17.700 --> 00:27:21.779 There's a certain knowingness of the cliches in this show, isn't it? 448 00:27:22.019 --> 00:27:23.460 That's fun about it, isn't it? 449 00:27:23.519 --> 00:27:26.759 I mean, isn't there an angry mob about in thine own self? 450 00:27:26.819 --> 00:27:28.980 There's like a torch that comes from him, isn't it? 451 00:27:29.039 --> 00:27:29.339 It is. 452 00:27:29.339 --> 00:27:29.640 Yep. 453 00:27:29.759 --> 00:27:35.519 And actually, I was thinking the apparatus looks a bit like the stuff that he uses in Times Arrow data. 454 00:27:35.579 --> 00:27:36.599 Yeah, yeah. 455 00:27:36.599 --> 00:27:37.440 It's all in there. 456 00:27:37.500 --> 00:27:40.680 It's all like a juicy mix of 90s trek, isn't it? 457 00:27:40.740 --> 00:27:43.740 I think he talks about making something in Times Arrow. 458 00:27:43.799 --> 00:27:48.960 He talks about having to try and make some kind of technical equipment using what he gets in times arrow. 459 00:27:49.079 --> 00:27:52.019 And I think maybe that even dates back to Spock at some point. 460 00:27:53.099 --> 00:27:55.200 Oh, this is so sweet. 461 00:27:56.160 --> 00:28:04.799 I intend to revoke my application, says to Lynn, because a science officer must be able to communicate and I can't I realise I can't communicate with you. 462 00:28:04.859 --> 00:28:06.839 It's because she's been being a shit. 463 00:28:06.900 --> 00:28:07.440 That's why. 464 00:28:07.559 --> 00:28:08.759 That's right, that's right. 465 00:28:08.819 --> 00:28:11.339 No, and she admits, she says it was my fault. 466 00:28:11.400 --> 00:28:12.240 I was being competitive. 467 00:28:12.359 --> 00:28:13.799 I was being crazy, you know. 468 00:28:15.119 --> 00:28:17.339 Yeah, this is nice. 469 00:28:17.400 --> 00:28:18.240 And Talin is... 470 00:28:18.240 --> 00:28:20.640 God, I wish naughty straight was this succint, you know? 471 00:28:20.700 --> 00:28:21.720 Yeah. 472 00:28:21.720 --> 00:28:25.259 But isn't Talin just the most brilliant character. 473 00:28:25.319 --> 00:28:25.920 She's so good. 474 00:28:25.980 --> 00:28:27.180 So good. 475 00:28:27.240 --> 00:28:37.680 Well, they somehow managed to do a rivalry episode where one half of the rivalry wasn't a rival, and they're actually, we both, the twist is, they're both lovely. 476 00:28:37.740 --> 00:28:38.819 That's right. 477 00:28:38.880 --> 00:28:42.240 They both love each other and uh... 478 00:28:42.240 --> 00:28:45.180 Mr. Worf did this once. 479 00:28:45.180 --> 00:28:47.279 They shoot their way out of a rope. 480 00:28:47.339 --> 00:28:48.539 Yeah, that is right. 481 00:28:50.640 --> 00:28:53.700 Terrible soap whisk, that soap flute. 482 00:28:54.660 --> 00:28:56.339 So funny. 483 00:28:56.460 --> 00:28:58.859 Stupid soap flute. 484 00:28:58.920 --> 00:29:02.940 Oh, she realises, oh, I found my story on the planet here in prison. 485 00:29:03.059 --> 00:29:05.279 With this big hot guy. 486 00:29:05.339 --> 00:29:08.220 I want a hug from these people. big mare. 487 00:29:08.339 --> 00:29:08.759 Big man. 488 00:29:08.819 --> 00:29:09.900 We love you, big mare. 489 00:29:09.960 --> 00:29:10.799 Mariner. 490 00:29:10.859 --> 00:29:11.279 Yeah. 491 00:29:11.759 --> 00:29:14.940 My alien family, they were here all along. 492 00:29:15.000 --> 00:29:15.359 Hooray. 493 00:29:15.420 --> 00:29:19.619 Look at the one on the left with the moustache. looks really dodgy. 494 00:29:19.680 --> 00:29:20.940 He's a murderer. 495 00:29:21.000 --> 00:29:22.319 Two of them are murderers, remember? 496 00:29:23.579 --> 00:29:26.099 Oh, look at his beautiful hair. 497 00:29:26.160 --> 00:29:27.839 He's been using plenty of that hair tonic. 498 00:29:27.900 --> 00:29:30.660 He's got a whole arm full of the hair tonic. 499 00:29:30.720 --> 00:29:32.099 So stupid. 500 00:29:33.660 --> 00:29:35.519 Oh dear. 501 00:29:36.240 --> 00:29:37.680 Okay. 502 00:29:37.740 --> 00:29:39.240 Off to the rendezvous point. 503 00:29:39.299 --> 00:29:40.559 Got shrimp in his hair. 504 00:29:40.680 --> 00:29:44.160 Oh, here comes Snail now with his angry mob. 505 00:29:44.579 --> 00:29:46.259 Witches. 506 00:29:46.319 --> 00:29:47.279 There they are. 507 00:29:47.400 --> 00:29:49.500 Yeah, no, they believe him. 508 00:29:49.559 --> 00:29:51.059 They're kind of prepared to go along with him. 509 00:29:51.119 --> 00:29:55.920 Like, there should be such a lame ending of them just going, oh, smell. 510 00:29:56.700 --> 00:29:58.859 But it's really funny. 511 00:30:01.920 --> 00:30:06.900 In the bag is an enormous grape with the face of Mr. Data. drawn a face on. 512 00:30:09.960 --> 00:30:11.279 Get a job, snail. 513 00:30:11.339 --> 00:30:13.500 That's so great, isn't it? 514 00:30:14.759 --> 00:30:18.960 Oh, he hasn't got much hair either to make lush look at him. 515 00:30:19.019 --> 00:30:19.680 No, that's it. 516 00:30:19.740 --> 00:30:22.440 He's also upset because they all have lush, beautiful hair. 517 00:30:25.500 --> 00:30:27.000 Oh, that's it. 518 00:30:27.119 --> 00:30:27.900 Look, he's pissed. 519 00:30:28.140 --> 00:30:30.839 He'll be back lurking tomorrow. 520 00:30:30.900 --> 00:30:31.680 Don't you worry. 521 00:30:31.740 --> 00:30:33.480 No, well, I think doesn't he turn up too late? 522 00:30:33.539 --> 00:30:35.759 He turns up just after they beam out. 523 00:30:36.119 --> 00:30:41.220 Look at the shoulder. on top of the mountain with the sun coming out. 524 00:30:41.279 --> 00:30:42.420 That's beautiful. 525 00:30:42.480 --> 00:30:43.019 Yeah. 526 00:30:43.019 --> 00:30:43.920 Yeah. 527 00:30:43.980 --> 00:30:48.240 Oh, and Mariner gets to talk to data, which is really great too. 528 00:30:48.299 --> 00:30:50.519 Is this the only episode he's in this year? 529 00:30:50.579 --> 00:30:51.779 Yeah. 530 00:30:51.779 --> 00:31:01.920 But it's that thing where Mariner says, I think about you all the time, which I just think is beautiful, because doesn't she say at some point, hey, you're kind of famous? 531 00:31:01.980 --> 00:31:03.599 Like, you do know you're kind of famous. 532 00:31:04.500 --> 00:31:06.420 Just think it's true. 533 00:31:06.480 --> 00:31:09.480 He sort of pushes it aside and she goes, oh, that's such a data thing to say. 534 00:31:09.539 --> 00:31:09.960 Yeah, yeah. 535 00:31:10.019 --> 00:31:11.460 It's really sweet. 536 00:31:11.519 --> 00:31:15.180 And that is just a little love letter to data from the writers, isn't it? 537 00:31:15.240 --> 00:31:18.119 Is there coming over the mountain there? 538 00:31:18.180 --> 00:31:20.400 I just see him coming after him. 539 00:31:20.579 --> 00:31:22.680 Give it up, snail. 540 00:31:23.519 --> 00:31:26.039 Oh, also the Geordie thing? 541 00:31:26.160 --> 00:31:27.180 Here he comes. 542 00:31:27.240 --> 00:31:28.200 Here he comes. 543 00:31:28.319 --> 00:31:30.359 After they beam out. 544 00:31:30.420 --> 00:31:30.960 Yeah. 545 00:31:30.960 --> 00:31:33.839 Yeah, yeah. 546 00:31:33.900 --> 00:31:35.940 Look at Boeemer's boney back. 547 00:31:36.000 --> 00:31:36.480 Did you see that? 548 00:31:36.539 --> 00:31:37.740 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. 549 00:31:37.799 --> 00:31:38.460 Yeah, terrible. 550 00:31:38.700 --> 00:31:41.460 You break him like a tweak, wouldn't you? 551 00:31:41.519 --> 00:31:46.740 Someone calls him a skeletal lad at some point in an earlier series, I think. 552 00:31:48.180 --> 00:31:50.460 Oh boy, oh boy. 553 00:31:51.539 --> 00:31:57.240 So, so we do riffs all the way through to the finale, yeah. 554 00:31:57.299 --> 00:31:58.680 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 555 00:31:58.859 --> 00:32:04.559 And is it really secretly just a way of bringing back all those old actors in alternative versions? 556 00:32:04.619 --> 00:32:05.640 I think partly that. 557 00:32:05.700 --> 00:32:21.839 I mean, there's that ship, the 2nd last episode, just 2 episodes from now, is set on the NXO one Enterprise, and has Jolene Blaylock on it, and it has a lot of Harry Kims from all of these different dimensions. only one of whom's a lieutenant. 558 00:32:21.900 --> 00:32:24.660 The rest of them are all all ensigns. 559 00:32:26.519 --> 00:32:28.740 Do they all try and kill him? 560 00:32:29.160 --> 00:32:32.220 No, the villain is a lieutenant. 561 00:32:32.279 --> 00:32:33.240 Like the villain. 562 00:32:33.240 --> 00:32:33.660 Oh, is it? 563 00:32:34.920 --> 00:32:37.019 Power went to his head. 564 00:32:37.079 --> 00:32:50.039 Yeah, so this just data, it data recommends that the 2 of them should become the senior officer and now they're, like they're drinking together Talin popping off and it's so sweet, isn't it? 565 00:32:50.099 --> 00:32:55.259 Like, it is to Lynn being sensitive and caring and stuff and fitting into the group. 566 00:32:55.740 --> 00:32:58.380 Where does she end up at the end of the series? 567 00:32:58.440 --> 00:32:59.819 I can't remember, actually. 568 00:32:59.880 --> 00:33:04.920 I think they're on the Cerritos under the command of Captain Ransom at the end, I think. 569 00:33:04.980 --> 00:33:06.119 I can't remember. 570 00:33:06.299 --> 00:33:11.700 She goes, I've got an emptiness inside me that's, I need fields from my jail family. 571 00:33:12.059 --> 00:33:13.500 Yeah. 572 00:33:13.500 --> 00:33:16.079 And so she's playing it. 573 00:33:16.079 --> 00:33:17.940 Stop, you do not know how to play that. 574 00:33:18.000 --> 00:33:30.240 And then and then all of that stupid, you know, flute stuff, dialogue is happening while we fire Data's head in a torpedo tube in through the riff so that the Enterprise can pick it up, which is kind of cute. 575 00:33:31.259 --> 00:33:33.299 You know what it is, right? 576 00:33:33.359 --> 00:33:34.019 Lower decks. 577 00:33:34.079 --> 00:33:47.640 It's a peak into an alternative universe where night is Star Trek was succinct, funny, entertaining, witty, well acted, visually beautiful, like it, yeah. 578 00:33:47.700 --> 00:33:49.680 I mean, we love 90s trick. 579 00:33:49.740 --> 00:33:50.039 We do. 580 00:33:50.099 --> 00:33:50.640 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 581 00:33:51.539 --> 00:33:55.680 God, this is the best 5 season love letout. 582 00:33:55.740 --> 00:33:58.319 Could possibly... ever have. 583 00:33:58.380 --> 00:34:18.599 Like, it's like you said, that fine line, that Galaxy Quest fine line between taking the piss out of the absurdities of it, because you and me do that spectacularly on this podcast. but also respecting it and and realising, you know, that most of the people watching that's that's they're into Star Trek, you know? 584 00:34:18.659 --> 00:34:19.139 Yeah. 585 00:34:19.199 --> 00:34:21.840 So, so giving it huge meaning as well. 586 00:34:21.900 --> 00:34:27.000 They love it and they never stop referencing it and riffing on it and playing with it. 587 00:34:27.059 --> 00:34:29.820 And they properly respect it, I think. 588 00:34:29.880 --> 00:34:35.639 Like, I don't think pointing out that Star Trek is ridiculous is the same as pointing out that it's bad. 589 00:34:35.699 --> 00:34:37.619 It's great. 590 00:34:37.679 --> 00:34:38.519 We love it. 591 00:34:38.579 --> 00:34:43.559 We've spent, you know, 100s of hours talking about it on this podcast. 592 00:34:43.679 --> 00:34:45.179 We look at being ridiculous. 593 00:34:45.239 --> 00:34:46.380 We just don't like it being boring. 594 00:34:46.440 --> 00:34:47.460 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 595 00:34:47.519 --> 00:35:05.519 Yeah, but like they love it for being ridiculous and they play with it and it's that thing where they reach back in and see the things that are silly and kind of make them work or remind us why it's not such a terrible thing that part of Star Trek is silly because we just love it anyway. 596 00:35:05.579 --> 00:35:14.400 I just think it's a tremendous, tremendous show, and it works as a cartoon, and there are really good things that come from that, I think. 597 00:35:14.460 --> 00:35:19.139 But as well, I think the length of the episodes is perfect as well. 598 00:35:19.199 --> 00:35:24.659 And there's usually two, sometimes 3 plots happening within an episode. 599 00:35:24.719 --> 00:35:31.440 There's a lot going on, but you can't really get bored because there's maybe 3 or 4 scenes per plot, you know? 600 00:35:31.500 --> 00:35:36.599 So they go by by a lick, but they structure their seasons. 601 00:35:36.659 --> 00:35:49.320 So, because I remember in season one, setting up that whole thing with Mariner and her mum, and then it all leading up to that incredible episode where they're fighting each other in the penultimate episode. 602 00:35:49.320 --> 00:35:55.079 And I was like, wow, this is some of the most powerful character work I've ever seen on Star Trek. 603 00:35:55.139 --> 00:35:58.380 And listen, this fucking cartoon, for God's sakes. 604 00:35:58.440 --> 00:35:59.579 It's just brilliant. 605 00:35:59.639 --> 00:36:01.500 Yeah. absolute triumph. 606 00:36:01.559 --> 00:36:04.500 I think we should just press lower decks again next time. 607 00:36:04.559 --> 00:36:05.639 What do you reckon? 608 00:36:05.699 --> 00:36:07.800 Never mind the rest of the franchise. 609 00:36:14.159 --> 00:36:17.400 All right, it's the end of the episode. 610 00:36:17.460 --> 00:36:21.539 So it's time for us to work out where we're going next. 611 00:36:21.780 --> 00:36:27.599 Lower decks was your excellent choice last time. 612 00:36:27.659 --> 00:36:37.380 And so I decided to make up for a few weeks ago when I chose the empath by choosing lower decks again. 613 00:36:37.440 --> 00:36:45.539 And the reason is that lower decks dropped 10 extra episodes towards the end of last year. 614 00:36:45.599 --> 00:36:53.219 And so it is now among the series that has the least untitled Star Trek project coverage. 615 00:36:53.280 --> 00:37:02.579 We wish to reassure all untiled Star Trek project listeners that we will be covering something really tedious next week. 616 00:37:02.639 --> 00:37:03.599 Absolutely. 617 00:37:03.659 --> 00:37:04.619 We'll do our best. 618 00:37:04.679 --> 00:37:05.519 Yes, quite. 619 00:37:06.179 --> 00:37:07.800 All right. 620 00:37:07.860 --> 00:37:09.300 So let's just do that. 621 00:37:09.360 --> 00:37:12.420 We have a reputation to maintain, you know. 622 00:37:12.480 --> 00:37:13.559 We can't be loving everything. 623 00:37:13.619 --> 00:37:17.219 No, I will be doing a boring Voyager episode before you know it. 624 00:37:18.360 --> 00:37:20.039 All right. 625 00:37:20.099 --> 00:37:23.099 I am going to press the button. 626 00:37:26.940 --> 00:37:28.380 Okay. 627 00:37:28.440 --> 00:37:30.599 This is another season 5 episode. 628 00:37:30.659 --> 00:37:37.980 It's season five, episode 10, the new Next Generation. 629 00:37:38.039 --> 00:37:39.000 It the finale. 630 00:37:39.059 --> 00:37:41.519 Oh. 631 00:37:41.639 --> 00:37:43.980 I mean, do you know what, right? 632 00:37:44.039 --> 00:37:51.360 What I could do is, because I think, secretly, we've got a couple of weeks before we record this. 633 00:37:51.539 --> 00:37:56.940 I could watch the whole last series and then obviously we'll do the finale. 634 00:37:57.000 --> 00:37:57.840 What do you reckon? 635 00:37:57.900 --> 00:37:59.219 I think that's not a bad idea. 636 00:37:59.340 --> 00:38:01.139 And then I can finally see it out. 637 00:38:01.199 --> 00:38:03.780 It's the only season I've not seen of Lower Decks. 638 00:38:03.840 --> 00:38:05.280 Oh, let's do it. 639 00:38:05.340 --> 00:38:05.579 Come on. 640 00:38:05.639 --> 00:38:07.980 Is there loads of cameos from fabulous people? 641 00:38:08.039 --> 00:38:09.539 I can't remember, actually. 642 00:38:09.599 --> 00:38:13.079 There's loads of cameos from fabulous people in episode nine, actually. 643 00:38:13.199 --> 00:38:15.599 Well, I'll watch it. watch it. 644 00:38:15.659 --> 00:38:19.739 But 10 is a really good ending and a really interesting ending. 645 00:38:19.800 --> 00:38:21.179 Not at all what I expected. 646 00:38:21.239 --> 00:38:25.679 And I did really kind of like it, and I think it will be interesting to talk about. 647 00:38:25.739 --> 00:38:29.099 And of course, it's funny and charming and heartwarming as hell, of course. 648 00:38:29.159 --> 00:38:34.679 I just want them all to just go off and achieve everything they've ever wanted because I love them all. 649 00:38:34.739 --> 00:38:41.460 I don't want anyone to die. get demoted or just have a miserable end, you know? 650 00:38:41.519 --> 00:38:43.260 They'll all be fine. 651 00:38:43.320 --> 00:38:44.280 They will all be fine. 652 00:38:44.340 --> 00:38:44.760 Okay. 653 00:38:53.820 --> 00:38:58.800 You've been listening to untitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford and Nathan Bottomley. 654 00:38:58.800 --> 00:39:05.519 We're online at untitled Star Trek Project.com, where you can find subscription links and links to our social media accounts. 655 00:39:05.579 --> 00:39:11.159 Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Ciceran and the theme was composed by Cameron Lamb. 656 00:39:11.219 --> 00:39:17.820 This episode was recorded on the 6th of May 2025 and released on the 16th of May. 657 00:39:17.880 --> 00:39:22.800 We'll see you next time for Star Trek Lower Decks, the new next generation. 658 00:39:37.860 --> 00:39:39.239 Yeah, the finale. 659 00:39:39.300 --> 00:39:41.460 We don't do finale very often. 660 00:39:41.519 --> 00:39:42.780 No, what have we done? 661 00:39:42.840 --> 00:39:46.019 We've done all good things and we've done endgame. 662 00:39:46.139 --> 00:39:47.760 Oh, that's right. 663 00:39:47.760 --> 00:39:48.599 That might be it. 664 00:39:48.659 --> 00:39:50.880 We've done the Enterprise finale as well. 665 00:39:50.940 --> 00:39:55.559 So you struggled a bit with all good things. 666 00:39:55.619 --> 00:39:57.420 Surprisingly, I remember. 667 00:39:57.480 --> 00:40:00.179 I struggled a lot with end game. 668 00:40:00.239 --> 00:40:01.920 You were a lot kinder on that. 669 00:40:01.980 --> 00:40:07.260 And then great riffs between us when we watch these are the voyages. 670 00:40:07.320 --> 00:40:10.980 Yeah, which I didn't think was the war crime that everyone else seems to think it is. 671 00:40:11.039 --> 00:40:17.579 But I think we'll probably be in accord. with this one. is pretty great. 672 00:40:17.639 --> 00:40:21.239 I mean, it's called the new Next Generation. 673 00:40:21.300 --> 00:40:23.880 Their tiles are so cheeky. 674 00:40:23.940 --> 00:40:31.500 I think there's an episode called The Next Generation, isn't there isn't series 3, episode one of Picard called The Next Generation? 675 00:40:34.019 --> 00:40:36.000 Yeah, I think it is. 676 00:40:36.059 --> 00:40:37.920 Wait a sec. 677 00:40:37.980 --> 00:40:39.719 I'm going to go to the... 678 00:40:39.719 --> 00:40:42.960 Untitled Star Trek Project website. 679 00:40:46.079 --> 00:40:46.500 Okay. 680 00:40:46.559 --> 00:40:49.199 The Next Generation. season three, episode one. 681 00:40:49.260 --> 00:40:49.559 Yes. 682 00:40:49.619 --> 00:40:51.539 Yeah, it's called The Next Generation, isn't it? 683 00:40:51.599 --> 00:40:53.219 So this is the new next generation. 684 00:40:53.280 --> 00:40:59.099 The other thing is that you won't have noticed is I've changed the font on the untitled Star Trek Project website. 685 00:40:59.280 --> 00:41:00.900 Have a look. 686 00:41:04.019 --> 00:41:06.420 Oh, it seems a bit more spaced apart. 687 00:41:06.480 --> 00:41:07.500 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 688 00:41:07.559 --> 00:41:08.579 It's a little wider. 689 00:41:08.639 --> 00:41:09.539 I quite like it. 690 00:41:09.599 --> 00:41:11.099 They're just the new... 691 00:41:11.159 --> 00:41:12.119 Yeah, I think it looks pretty good. 692 00:41:12.179 --> 00:41:16.199 I haven't changed any of the Star Trekie fonts, but just the normal font. 693 00:41:16.380 --> 00:41:19.380 You know what I'll do next week though, right? 694 00:41:19.440 --> 00:41:21.119 Oh, sorry, the week after. 695 00:41:21.179 --> 00:41:22.679 No, no, no, no, I will. 696 00:41:22.739 --> 00:41:23.099 I will. 697 00:41:23.159 --> 00:41:24.000 Oh no, I want to. 698 00:41:24.059 --> 00:41:27.719 I might go and watch the 1st one in a minute, actually, while I have my lunch. 699 00:41:27.780 --> 00:41:30.659 No, I will take us back to 90s again. 700 00:41:30.719 --> 00:41:31.679 I just love... 701 00:41:31.739 --> 00:41:33.300 I mean, there's so much of it still today. 702 00:41:33.420 --> 00:41:34.380 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 703 00:41:34.440 --> 00:41:35.340 Yeah, yeah. 704 00:41:35.400 --> 00:41:45.900 And things like Voyager is like undercover, like Voyager Enterprise and Next Generation are all kind of less than where we probably should be at. 705 00:41:45.960 --> 00:41:48.179 Like, we're never all going to be a parody. 706 00:41:48.239 --> 00:41:48.840 Do you know what I mean? 707 00:41:49.260 --> 00:41:58.500 I mean, 10% of 168 episodes and 10% of 65 episodes are 2 very different things. 708 00:41:58.559 --> 00:42:01.019 We've got a lot more 90s to do. 709 00:42:01.079 --> 00:42:04.679 But as we go, do you know what I mean? 710 00:42:04.739 --> 00:42:06.840 The numbers have to be the same, do you know what I mean? 711 00:42:06.900 --> 00:42:12.239 Otherwise, we'll be doing disproportionate amounts of one thing above the other. 712 00:42:12.300 --> 00:42:16.920 So they're all roughly sort of similar, like that coverage thing. 713 00:42:16.980 --> 00:42:18.719 I love bouncing about though. 714 00:42:18.780 --> 00:42:20.039 Yeah, yeah, yeah, me too. 715 00:42:20.099 --> 00:42:21.119 Well, that's kind of what you want. 716 00:42:21.179 --> 00:42:28.619 But at some point, for instance, like I want to go back, we did a big discovery. is the 2nd least covered. 717 00:42:28.679 --> 00:42:30.480 16.7%. 718 00:42:30.599 --> 00:42:34.440 In fact, after next week, it will be the least covered. 719 00:42:35.760 --> 00:42:37.440 Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right. 720 00:42:37.559 --> 00:42:38.039 That's right. 721 00:42:38.099 --> 00:42:39.420 And then Picard. 722 00:42:39.480 --> 00:42:46.440 You know, because there's only 37 of them, and we've done 6 of them, and so doing one more puts it up really high. 723 00:42:46.500 --> 00:42:50.280 Like animated series, we don't have to do another one of those for the next couple of years. 724 00:42:50.340 --> 00:42:51.719 Like, Christ. 725 00:42:53.760 --> 00:42:57.059 The movies, obviously, because there's hardly any of them. 726 00:42:57.059 --> 00:42:59.639 Stranger Worlds is going to drop 10 episodes this year. 727 00:42:59.699 --> 00:43:08.219 So it will go back down from 20% because we've done 4 out of 20 of those, but then it'll be 4 out of 30. 728 00:43:08.400 --> 00:43:10.980 I was like, so we've done a seasons. 729 00:43:11.039 --> 00:43:12.659 Oh my god, think about this for a second. 730 00:43:12.719 --> 00:43:13.920 You've done that. 731 00:43:13.920 --> 00:43:15.719 A season's worth of Voyager. 732 00:43:15.780 --> 00:43:18.239 Just over a season's worth of nature. 733 00:43:18.300 --> 00:43:20.880 That means we've got 6 seasons of each. 734 00:43:21.900 --> 00:43:24.539 We've got a long time. 735 00:43:25.079 --> 00:43:27.960 Don't you go tired on me now, all right? 736 00:43:28.019 --> 00:43:29.039 Oh yeah, I'll be fine. 737 00:43:29.099 --> 00:43:31.920 I'm going to be very careful crossing the road and stuff like that. 738 00:43:31.980 --> 00:43:34.199 And then I retire. 739 00:43:34.260 --> 00:43:35.099 Do you know what I mean? 740 00:43:35.159 --> 00:43:37.860 Like, I'm still going to be doing this in retirement, I think. 741 00:43:37.920 --> 00:43:39.900 Then our schedules will be fine. 742 00:43:40.019 --> 00:43:42.300 You're retired, all right? 743 00:43:43.079 --> 00:43:47.039 Yeah, yeah, pick a time. 4 in the morning, no worries. 744 00:43:47.099 --> 00:43:48.059 I there. don't care. 745 00:43:49.800 --> 00:43:56.579 I'll be adding features to the website all the time and, you know, like maybe spinoffs, who can say? 746 00:43:56.579 --> 00:43:59.639 165 episodes. 747 00:43:59.699 --> 00:44:03.059 Well, so because sometimes you do 2 episodes, right? 748 00:44:03.119 --> 00:44:05.280 Sometimes we do 2 episodes. 749 00:44:05.400 --> 00:44:06.539 So that's happened a few times. 750 00:44:06.599 --> 00:44:09.659 And this figure doesn't count. 751 00:44:09.719 --> 00:44:14.400 Um, this goes only goes up to episode 152, I think. 752 00:44:14.519 --> 00:44:22.920 So it doesn't include the empath and it doesn't include the one we just used. 753 00:44:22.980 --> 00:44:24.239 Just what's on the website. 754 00:44:24.420 --> 00:44:26.820 Yeah, yeah, what's on the website now as we record. 755 00:44:26.880 --> 00:44:30.900 When we hit 25%, you know, I'm going to suggest we do something. 756 00:44:31.559 --> 00:44:35.639 We're a quarter. 5th of the way through at some point. 757 00:44:35.699 --> 00:44:36.539 Do you know what I mean? 758 00:44:36.599 --> 00:44:39.179 We're currently at 17.35%. 759 00:44:39.360 --> 00:44:48.719 So at some point we'll hit a 5th of the way through, and we've already, like, yeah, yeah, so, yeah, we went from a 7th to a 6th. 760 00:44:48.780 --> 00:44:51.960 Now we were getting to a 5th but it's a long... 761 00:44:52.019 --> 00:44:57.239 So in my head, because we've talked so much 90s strike, because, of course, there's 4 series there. 762 00:44:57.300 --> 00:44:57.780 Yeah. 763 00:44:57.780 --> 00:45:05.820 So altogether, what, so it's like a 100 odd episodes of 90s show, we're all about, but that's like a fraction of what's there, isn't it? 764 00:45:05.880 --> 00:45:15.360 But like on average, it's roughly, um, roughly one in six, a bit over one in 6 episodes that we've done. 765 00:45:15.420 --> 00:45:17.699 Oh, take us to Voyager XM. 766 00:45:17.760 --> 00:45:19.440 Let's bump up that number a bit. 767 00:45:19.500 --> 00:45:20.639 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 768 00:45:20.699 --> 00:45:21.300 That'd be good. 769 00:45:21.360 --> 00:45:22.980 I'd like to do Voyager. 770 00:45:22.980 --> 00:45:23.519 It is pretty great. 771 00:45:23.579 --> 00:45:26.639 Hopefully we'll get something, you know, really ghastly. 772 00:45:26.699 --> 00:45:30.599 Yeah, post facto or... good. be nice as well. 773 00:45:30.659 --> 00:45:31.679 You can do a good one. 774 00:45:31.739 --> 00:45:33.659 It surprises us, isn't it?