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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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We are back aboard the original Enterprise.

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It's Star Trek, the original series, in its celebrated 3rd and

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final series, Celebrated, yes. celebrate it.

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And it's series 3, episode 12, the end path, which 1st screened on

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the 6th of December, 1968.

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So about 6 months before I enter our story.

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This is a controversial episode, I think, because some people

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think it's good, but people who can tell whether a TV show is good

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or not think it's really terrible.

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Oh my god, this is awesome.

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Are you talking about you now?

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So, I think up to this point, we have done some bad Star Trek

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episodes and things like wolf in the fold, which I thought was

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like stupid and ridiculous for all.

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Oh, visually fun, wasn't it?

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Or the foggy streets and that?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And Spock's brain is obviously terrible.

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And...

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Gods destroy.

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It was also really quite marvellous.

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It did have an exploding green woman in it, which was pretty

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great.

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But I actually think that this is the worst episode that we have

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covered to date.

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Of all of untold.

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Star Trek project.

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Well, the worst episode of the original series that we've covered

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I think.

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It's up there with episodes like Justice and Manhunt, isn't it?

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Well, I actually think it's worse than those in some ways.

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Manhunt, perhaps it has something sort of in common with, in that

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there's an overwhelming sense in manhunt, that we're filling the

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screen with things that happen so that we all stay alive to the

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point where the closing credits roll. there's a real sense of that

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here.

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There's a sense that we don't have a story, actually.

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And what we have instead is some aliens who are subbing in for a

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scriptwriter with no particular ideas for a story.

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And they just do things to our characters for a while, until Kirk

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complains about it quite a lot, and then they stop, and then we

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have a scene back on board the Enterprise, and then we all get on

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with our lives.

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And if they're trying to make a point about compassion, which I

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think they are, they really needed, what they needed to do was

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write a story in which the characters were called upon to show

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compassion to each other or do something like that.

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Not just for what they do. horribly until they show some kind of

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an emotion about it. they just put them in this sort of black void

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and then just do random things to each other.

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Nothing is set up.

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Everyone talks like space people.

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They have the most low rent omnipotent godlike aliens.

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They're like the people who didn't make it past the 1st casting

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call for the cage. did make it into Star Trek discovery.

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They're like, they're like the bumheaded aliens from the cage only

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they took up smoking at the age of 14.

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I think, is what they look like.

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This horrible makeup around their mouth. makes them look really

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horrible.

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But it's just like, I just don't know what, like, this is very

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like.

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And I predicted that this episode was going to be like this.

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If you go back and listen to the end of the previous episode that

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we did.

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I say, see, the trouble is that I could theorise about what this

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is going to be like, and given that it's in series three, it might

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be just one of the ones where we stand around while powerful

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aliens kind of torment everyone until we get sick of it and then

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leave.

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And that's what it is.

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It's like whom God's destroy, which is terrible.

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Like a terrible hour of television, not very entertaining at all

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but vastly more entertaining than this, I think, because there's

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sort of campness and nonsense going on and people in costumes and

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all sorts of things happening.

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But there's an overwhelming sense of like no particular story or

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plot going on and it's just doing things to eat up running time.

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And I really feel that here.

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And that's without even addressing the sort of weird misogyny of

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having a mute woman who is supposed to sacrifice her life for the

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sake of someone that she's only just met.

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Otherwise will allow her planet to be destroyed and her race to go

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extinct.

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And like all of that is supposed to be, like, I don't even know

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how to feel about that.

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What is that?

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You know?

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So, so I just think the whole thing is there's just nothing to

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this.

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Like, there's just nothing to it.

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There's no story, there's no plot, and it's boring looking, um, and

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just not very entertaining.

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Am I am I being unfair, Joe?

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This is the question.

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I don't think I hated it quite as much as you did.

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I mean, I was reasonably entertained watching this episode.

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I was considering coming onto this podcast and just reacting to

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you in a series of mute expressions, you know, sort of pretty

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person, just reacting to the things that you're saying.

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Yeah, but then I realised that no one would hear my voice and

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wow.

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If you'd have told me that Shatner and Nemoy and Deforest Kelly

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came on the set today and they said, sorry, guys, we haven't got a

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script, okay?

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And we've only got this black room with these few bits of

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technology lying around and the stock planet set from last week

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all right?

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Now, just have a think about the episodes we've done so far.

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And will you just cobble something together?

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We got these sort of bum-headed aliens. over here in stock from

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the pilot we never did.

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And they're like, oh, God, all right, what can we do?

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You know, okay, can you give us one woman?

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Just one pretty woman?

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Yeah, that's one.

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We won't even give her any lines, you know.

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She can just react to whilst doing manly things.

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And then they go, right, okay, fine.

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We'll be tortured in various horrible ways, and then at the end

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we'll sort of suggest that it was all in the cause of some great

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humanitarian thing, and then we'll go back to the ship at the

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end.

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Because, yeah, you're right.

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There isn't a narrative here.

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There isn't a plot.

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There isn't any kind of, but what there is, and this out which is

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this a bit for me, is I did like the byplay between the trio of

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Kirk Spock and McCoy.

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And like the moments where I was sort of reading reviews on this.

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I read Jammer's review, which was very complimentary about this.

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A little money goes a long ways.

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And his reviews were lit.

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This is what made me realise how divisive this was.

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It was like people going, no, you're fucking mad.

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This is a 0 stars and the most tedious thing I've ever watched.

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And then other people going, I actually really like seeing, you

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know, the command structure, how much they care about each other

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how much they're willing to sacrifice each other.

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And they were sort of leaning is that some people really liked, I

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thought this poor actress wasn't given any lines, but was sort of

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emoting through expression, you know, and seeing sort of visual

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poetry as she's expressing the pain and the regret and all of this

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you know, um, and it really was.

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It was just like a tame 2 half. those reviews where people were

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saying I loved it and I hated it.

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I didn't love it.

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But I think we have done worse.

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I've been more bored than this.

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And this is a, in the 1st half, I was like, okay, fine, they're

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going to be tortured, like there's a bit where Captain Kirk is

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strung up right, obviously with his shirt off.

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And I was going, oh, come on, that is clearly not shat.

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Look at the muscles in his back.

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And then it got sort of off. front.

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Well, then it comes to the front and he's got quite a good body

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though.

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Like, I was like, yeah.

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But that's not his back.

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No I know.

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They brought in like Arnold Schwarzenegger for the backshot and

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then it comes down.

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I remember thinking the decision to have Shatner tortured with his

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shirt off and the decision to have Dee tortured with his shirt on

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were both fine decisions. like really very good.

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I mean, when he's tortured, I was regent.

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They put him in one of the old costumes from series one and 2

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because I had to tear it up, you know. saw a little bit of his

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tongue, but that's about it.

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No, but the 1st half of the episode, I was on board.

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And then in the 2nd half, it was just the same stuff going on

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again and again, until the moral of the story hits and doesn't

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land.

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And you're right.

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And then it's just the usual shit joke at the end and off we go.

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What the hell is the point of all of that?

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In fact, like all of the stuff about saving her race and stuff is

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all just said to us.

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There's no setup at all.

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There's no indication that this, like, we kind of learn that there

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are lots of planets or lots of civilisations or something in this

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system, but it's never mentioned before the bumheaded aliens kind

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of bring it up, and then they say that we can only save one race

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but it's not very clear whether that's one race not including

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their own.

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And kind of like at this point I just lost consciousness.

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There's so many aliens as well, I want to just take humanity and

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just put them into sort of weird little games, isn't there?

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Well, there's a lot of aliens that want to do that sort of thing.

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But I mean, in a sense, what it is, and like, I really, really

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think that the 2 aliens really stand for a scriptwriter who has no

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ideas.

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And so how about this?

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Yeah.

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No, they say, oh, we'll torture him, and then we'll see how she

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reacts to that, and then, you know, then we'll torture the other

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one, and we'll give these people a choice, and we'll do all of

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this.

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But that's what the story should be doing.

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Like, just having some guys with bum heads, doing it to them all

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for no reason.

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Like put them in a situation that's real and get them to sacrifice

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for one another and all of that sort of thing.

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That's all great.

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That's all good stuff.

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But instead you just don't have a set.

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You don't have a script and you just kind of all this crap happens

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for like 50 minutes.

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I'm literally going to see them now as the 2 script writers, you

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know, like, and you will find out why we're torturing. you written

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it yet?

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Have you written it?

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No.

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Oh shit.

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Torture him some more.

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Yeah, buy him sometime.

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You'll find out by the end.

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Oh, blessing hell.

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I did say that I would, of course, provide what's the lady's name

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Jim, with some sort of subtitles, oral subtitles as we go from the

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episode.

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Yeah, just otherwise, we're going to do a lot of things of us

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going, oh, what's going on now?

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What is she thinking?

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I've said nearly all I have to say.

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We've got 50 minutes now.

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I did say today from before we came on, usually, you know, in the

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60s, we've got these lovely pop art sets that we can compliment

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and the lighting of things, but unfortunately, it's just a black

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room.

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And, you know, last week was mostly set in a dark room as well.

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Well, we did the drum head.

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Welds apart.

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All right.

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I think we better go here.

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I really think we better come in before I fall asleep.

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We've flown our loads.

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Oh, no, that's right.

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That's right.

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All right.

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I will count us in.

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Can I just say, before we go in, the byline for season 3 on Amazon

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Prime, right?

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I feel as if they're being a bit sassy about the quality of the

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season. okay?

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So Star Trek original remastered season three.

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The year is 2268.

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It's not gonna be a good year for Captain James T. Kirk.

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And that's all with it.

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Can't say they didn't warn you.

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Okay, let's watch these bum heads.

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Oh my god.

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All right.

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I'll count this in Five, four, three, two, one, and we're off.

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We've literally got nothing to say that. for 50 minutes.

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That's it.

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We just lapse into silence.

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Well, I think you could do some expressions and stuff.

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Why not?

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What do you think of that?

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That egg shaped thing there, you know, with the staircase that

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goes downstairs into the planet.

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Yeah, it's something.

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It's a thing.

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I sort of thought it was cute.

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It's not something that we're used to.

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I mean, this is a very, very familiar set.

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Um, And like, I think it's okay, you know, it's all right. looks

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like a building.

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It does, every time I look at those old sets, like, you know, with

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the sort of lit up backdrops.

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I always think to myself, I can't believe they did that again in

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87 when TNG came along.

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I can't believe they copied that.

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They only really do it in that 1st year, don't they?

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Now, poor old Leonard seems to have a terrible cold here.

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No one mentions it on memory alpha, but he really has a terrible

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cold.

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It does take him like this light of time. like where he says, hmm

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dust.

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Apparently, these instruments haven't been recently used.

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You go, wow, that deduction.

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That's really amazing.

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Thank you.

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I mean, there's cobwebs, there's cobwebs.

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It's like a horror set, you know?

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What is this?

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Oh, so a gigantic solar flare is emitting a radiation, which means

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the enterprise has to back off, but their stadium.

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They're all right where they are under the planet.

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Yeah, yeah, because the atmosphere will protect them from the

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solar flare.

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This is a very oddly shot scene, isn't it?

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The scene on the bridge when we're talking to Scotty and there's a

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big white guy in the foreground who's just pressing buttons and

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kind of like, why are you so big in this shot?

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You're just looking...

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He's an executive that was visiting the set and said, can I just

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put on one of the costumes and be in the show, please?

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Plays put it in front of the centre.

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He is our chief financier, all right?

303
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Oh, now, this, we have seen quite a few episodes like this where

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it's like, okay, right, we've got their last footage and then

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everyone's sort of panicking.

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In this case, they sort of beamed out, bewitched style, aren't

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they?

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It's very odd.

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So the black guy here in the pink outfit just quoted Psalm 95 for

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some reason.

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And there's some more Bible to come later in the episode.

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Oh, now he's losing his shit, running upstairs. whee, there he

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goes.

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Let's go.

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I actually quite like that effect, I have to say.

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So we learned that he's just beaming out.

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Like, it's actually quite scary looking and stuff because it's a

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special effect that we don't see.

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Oh, Shatner.

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We get bored Shatner in a minute doing some just incredibly shit

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acting.

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Yeah.

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It's the, like, that was, like, groaning, grunting.

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Just so you know, all right?

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So everyone vanishes.

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Bones, where are you?

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Ooh, and then he's just sort of hurls himself on the floor.

328
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Isn't this how every season 3 tierOS episode starts with some shit

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going down.

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Him grabbing his head, everyone falling over.

331
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So he's got to be on the floor.

333
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I think I'm getting a bit of a China's bald spot already.

334
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Oh, wow.

335
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That's quite good.

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When they sort of popped him out of existence there.

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His shape was on the dust, wasn't it?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was quite nicely done.

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That's what we go to the credits on, which I think is actually not

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too bad.

341
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You know, I was reading in memory alpha.

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Who said we'd blown our loads.

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I was reading in Memory Alpha, that the original director for this

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who was assigned to it, was vetoed because he directed a former

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episode and went well over budget and time.

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So they said, no, we're not having him back anymore.

347
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So they brought in this cheapo director instead. this is the

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result.

349
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Yeah.

350
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So his name is John Erman and this is his only Star Trek as well.

351
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He doesn't come back.

352
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How brown is this being on his side?

353
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So this is a set written by a set, a script written by a fan who

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one of four. isn't it?

355
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One of four.

356
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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And Bob Justman, Robert Justman recommends the script to Freddie

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Freiberger, who clearly thought it was great because he was

360
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Freddie Freiberger, and he was a complete fucking idiot.

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I mean, what it surprised you to know that she wrote the 1st

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draft.

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Then it went through the script editor.

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Then she wrote the next draft and then Freiburger wrote the final

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draft of the script.

366
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But I mean, there is this obsession with just getting the

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characters and torturing them until the episode ends because that

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is what whom gods destroy is.

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And that's what Plato's stepchildren is.

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And I, like I said, I predicted that that would be this.

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So here we appeared in an obstruct theatrical space.

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It's just a black background and a spotlight.

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Yeah.

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Deforest Kelly said that he thought that this was his favourite

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episode.

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And one of the things that he comments on is that they're acting

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with these very tight lights on them.

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So the set isn't lit, but they are.

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And like, I have to say that I think it's a pretty interesting, um

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thing to do and having lots of negative space, space and black, the

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you know, like it's a, an inexpensive way of achieving something

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that is very weird and surreal, and, you know, compare, say

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Spectre of the Garden, which does the same thing. but

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artistically.

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Yeah, I think Spectre of the Garden is much more beautiful and

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much more clever because of the way that it marries real world

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things, you know, you know, has pictures hanging up on the sky and

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stuff.

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That was nice, though.

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There was a tight shot on them walking in the darkness and then it

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zoomed back suddenly to take in the whole set.

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And there's a couple of bits like that.

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But you kind of need the whole episode shot like that, don't you?

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And for the episode to be half, maybe two-thirds, less the

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length.

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Yeah.

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I mean, the problem is that I'm pretty much bored of this look

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already.

399
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Like I appreciate it in theory, but in practice, I think it's

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really boring.

401
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It's beautiful woman.

402
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She's getting up decorously.

403
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She doesn't, who wakes up like that anyway and just sort of pulls

404
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your arms up and, oh, like everything's an interpretive dance with

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her.

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Like, it is just like... very funny.

407
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She sort of had her hand to her face.

408
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Like, who are you?

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And so I think it's actually disgraceful and lazy.

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So we're having this conversation now that she has no vocal chords

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and so she can't speak.

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So she doesn't have the ability to speak because she doesn't have

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you know, important speech organs.

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And so she, we never hear from her.

415
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We never hear what she thinks.

416
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She has no character and no agency.

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So it's just like we will have a woman here because that would be

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decorative and just looking at all these men is not very

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interesting, but we'll have a woman, but we won't write her a

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character.

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She's the only bit of colour in the whole thing in a beautiful

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purple dress, you know.

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And she is very pretty.

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I can see why they keep giving her the close-ups.

425
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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And she's little and elfin and stuff in a sort of cute 60s kind of

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way.

428
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But you know what she reminds me of.

429
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You know, like, do you remember being at school, you know, when

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you did drama and that and you asked to sort of display emotions

431
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in a very theatrical way without actually saying any words?

432
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And it's just really poor.

433
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That's what she reminds me of, you know?

434
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

435
00:19:56.099 --> 00:19:56.880
Yeah, yeah.

436
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Yeah, she just showed fear there by holding up her hands, like

437
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little claws, like, oh, stay away from me, you know.

438
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And like, it's, she's referring to her as she, Nathan.

439
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I'm going to call her Jim.

440
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But why are you calling her Jem when there's a character here?

441
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There's 3 characters here?

442
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One of whom is called Jim.

443
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So we have Jim and Jim.

444
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Where 4 characters, 2 of whom have the same fucking name, is it?

445
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Is it because you think she's a little gem?

446
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I thought he was going to have a line like that.

447
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I'm pleased they didn't go there.

448
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Well, because later on, I wonder whether the original idea was to

449
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call her Pearl and then in the, you know, like in the final scene

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we get that quote from Matthew's Gospel about the merchant who

451
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goes and buys the Pearl of Great Price.

452
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I'm talking over the bum headed aliens, 1st appear.

453
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Finally, something of interest to look at.

454
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Well, not to know about that.

455
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I mean, they are wearing sequins, which is a bit flashier and

456
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fancier than the fashion on Talos.

457
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Can we go to a Star Trek convention and cosplayer, this pair

458
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please?

459
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So they have names.

460
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They have names. and one of them, Willard Sage is a big guy.

461
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He gets an and credit.

462
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I'm not sure which one he is. but they're called Lal and Than.

463
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Lal.

464
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The 1st Lal.

465
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Yeah, yeah, the 1st Lal. you know, Data's daughter, but also this

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girl.

467
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Imperious, sparkly robes.

468
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With a huge collar, you know?

469
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A bit like Admiral Satay last week.

470
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Well, I think the collar here is to disguise the, well, like the

471
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Ferengi, you know, the Ferengi things that they have at the back

472
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of their heads, which is just there to hide the gap between the

473
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makeup and the skin.

474
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Oh, my.

475
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Look at the free of them doing?

476
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No, we...

477
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We trapped in a false field acting.

478
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Just wave your hand slowly whilst the aliens advance menacingly on

479
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gem.

480
00:22:00.000 --> 00:22:01.259
Oh, no.

481
00:22:01.319 --> 00:22:02.819
She's just gone down on a...

482
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Oh, don't touch me, please.

483
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She's doing hand acting.

484
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She's doing jazz hands.

485
00:22:09.000 --> 00:22:10.079
The jazz hands have done.

486
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I look like he can't be fucked with her in this.

487
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

488
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Obviously, shattered us well into it, showing the pain of the

489
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floor. like, oh, whatever.

490
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They look horrible, these aliens, don't they?

491
00:22:24.299 --> 00:22:26.700
Well, they've sort of given them veins around the mouth.

492
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It's very unpleasant.

493
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Something.

494
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It is pretty bad.

495
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What happened to make their skulls cave in at the side like that?

496
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No, I don't know. they're just born that way.

497
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That's thing.

498
00:22:37.619 --> 00:22:38.279
Okay.

499
00:22:38.279 --> 00:22:40.680
So, um, who are they again?

500
00:22:40.799 --> 00:22:42.000
Please explain to me.

501
00:22:42.000 --> 00:22:43.859
The viands.

502
00:22:43.920 --> 00:22:46.980
Right, and do they just go around kidnapping people trying to

503
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teach them lessons?

504
00:22:47.700 --> 00:22:51.539
So none of this is set up in any way.

505
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They just tell us that in some lines of dialogue, that this star

506
00:22:55.319 --> 00:22:59.579
is about to go nova, but apparently lots and lots of planets are

507
00:22:59.579 --> 00:23:02.640
around this star and they're all inhabited by different types of

508
00:23:02.640 --> 00:23:06.299
people, but they can only save one group of people.

509
00:23:06.359 --> 00:23:09.119
And so they're trying to find out whether Gem.

510
00:23:09.180 --> 00:23:12.059
They're worth saving, whether they're worth saving.

511
00:23:12.119 --> 00:23:15.000
Apparently empathy for other races.

512
00:23:15.059 --> 00:23:17.940
Apparently the test isn't that they're people.

513
00:23:18.000 --> 00:23:19.319
Do you know what I mean?

514
00:23:19.380 --> 00:23:24.660
Who love their lives and want to live and you could save them for

515
00:23:24.660 --> 00:23:25.500
that reason.

516
00:23:25.559 --> 00:23:30.180
It's because, uh, like she's supposed to sacrifice her life to

517
00:23:30.180 --> 00:23:32.039
save McCoy, who she's just mad.

518
00:23:32.099 --> 00:23:35.880
She did a wonderful sort of Samantha bewitched magic trip back.

519
00:23:35.940 --> 00:23:36.539
Yeah, I like that.

520
00:23:36.539 --> 00:23:39.779
She touched his face and his cut disappeared and this little sort

521
00:23:39.779 --> 00:23:40.740
of little spark.

522
00:23:40.740 --> 00:23:42.420
It's in front of his head.

523
00:23:42.480 --> 00:23:45.779
So the sparkle only occurs here and I wanted to see it again.

524
00:23:45.839 --> 00:23:48.599
I thought it was the best thing about that little moment.

525
00:23:48.660 --> 00:23:50.940
They could have given her Samantha like fingers, couldn't they?

526
00:23:51.000 --> 00:23:51.299
you know?

527
00:23:51.420 --> 00:23:53.700
Magic pixie dust.

528
00:23:53.880 --> 00:23:55.680
Oh, no.

529
00:23:55.680 --> 00:23:57.480
It's taken out of her, though. look.

530
00:23:57.539 --> 00:23:58.319
Oh I'm so tired.

531
00:23:58.799 --> 00:24:01.019
Headbows. so tired.

532
00:24:01.680 --> 00:24:06.240
Because there was a great close-up of her with no facial

533
00:24:06.240 --> 00:24:08.039
expression about any time.

534
00:24:08.099 --> 00:24:09.359
Just remember all that.

535
00:24:09.420 --> 00:24:12.240
It's just like, I don't really think anything about what's

536
00:24:12.240 --> 00:24:12.539
happened.

537
00:24:13.019 --> 00:24:15.180
I'm going to tell you this, right?

538
00:24:15.240 --> 00:24:17.759
why she might not have a facial expression.

539
00:24:17.819 --> 00:24:20.099
It's because later on, you know, the bit where she takes the pain

540
00:24:20.099 --> 00:24:21.299
away from McCoy.

541
00:24:21.359 --> 00:24:21.960
Yeah.

542
00:24:22.019 --> 00:24:26.160
And takes on all of his hideous bruises from his torture.

543
00:24:26.220 --> 00:24:32.099
She had to stay still for 8 fucking hours. whilst they they line

544
00:24:32.099 --> 00:24:32.519
that up.

545
00:24:32.579 --> 00:24:33.779
Now, that's why.

546
00:24:33.839 --> 00:24:35.759
She goes I've got no emotion left in me.

547
00:24:35.880 --> 00:24:37.680
He specialises are killing me.

548
00:24:37.740 --> 00:24:39.359
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

549
00:24:39.420 --> 00:24:41.220
Like they add them to her, don't they?

550
00:24:41.279 --> 00:24:43.859
Like, they'd, like, tie her to a board so she stays completely

551
00:24:43.859 --> 00:24:44.460
still.

552
00:24:44.519 --> 00:24:47.819
And it's an effective shot, but it does take them 8 hours in a way

553
00:24:47.819 --> 00:24:50.039
that obviously you could just do very quickly now.

554
00:24:50.099 --> 00:24:51.180
You really are right though.

555
00:24:51.240 --> 00:24:55.559
Like, what Deforest Kelly said about there being, you know, just

556
00:24:55.559 --> 00:24:57.900
this black space and them highlighted in the middle.

557
00:24:57.960 --> 00:25:01.680
So this could be a brilliant sort of psychological drama about

558
00:25:01.680 --> 00:25:04.140
their core relationships, you know?

559
00:25:04.200 --> 00:25:06.420
With nothing else to distract you at all.

560
00:25:06.480 --> 00:25:10.079
Just with a great script that sort of pushes them in interesting

561
00:25:10.079 --> 00:25:10.740
directions.

562
00:25:10.740 --> 00:25:13.440
And then you really see what they mean to each other.

563
00:25:13.500 --> 00:25:15.839
They don't really do that, don't they?

564
00:25:15.900 --> 00:25:20.160
No, I mean, all they do is the sort of we, they try and outbid one

565
00:25:20.160 --> 00:25:22.440
another to who's going to say, you know, as to who's going to

566
00:25:22.440 --> 00:25:23.460
sacrifice their life.

567
00:25:23.519 --> 00:25:26.099
But we don't ever find out anything much about them.

568
00:25:26.160 --> 00:25:31.140
I think there's one really great line from D about Spock, where

569
00:25:31.140 --> 00:25:37.380
where, um, Bones says you have an excellent bedside manner and

570
00:25:37.380 --> 00:25:40.319
he's not being snarky and I just thought that was really

571
00:25:40.319 --> 00:25:40.980
charming.

572
00:25:41.039 --> 00:25:43.559
Like I thought, you know, that was actually quite nice and we

573
00:25:43.559 --> 00:25:44.700
could have had more of that stuff.

574
00:25:44.759 --> 00:25:50.759
I think this is the bit that's scary. kids. what's that Because

575
00:25:50.759 --> 00:25:55.440
what he's about to say, look, say, gosh, Shatton has beautiful as

576
00:25:55.440 --> 00:25:55.859
a young man.

577
00:25:55.859 --> 00:25:57.059
It's prettier.

578
00:25:57.119 --> 00:25:58.140
Oh, my God.

579
00:25:58.140 --> 00:26:03.539
So they're stuck, subject link and subject.

580
00:26:03.539 --> 00:26:07.500
Both in tubes now, expressing torturous pain.

581
00:26:07.559 --> 00:26:08.880
Yeah.

582
00:26:08.940 --> 00:26:12.660
Like, I think that's properly scary, but we never know why and it

583
00:26:12.660 --> 00:26:13.440
doesn't go anywhere.

584
00:26:13.500 --> 00:26:17.640
Like, it's just there for the... where he was strung up, Kirk.

585
00:26:17.700 --> 00:26:21.299
And it's a bit, it's sort of a bit like a puppet, but that was a

586
00:26:21.299 --> 00:26:22.859
little bit scary. in the.

587
00:26:22.980 --> 00:26:23.640
Oh, yeah, yeah.

588
00:26:23.700 --> 00:26:24.299
Yeah.

589
00:26:24.359 --> 00:26:27.180
I think there's things in this would that would scare the shit out

590
00:26:27.180 --> 00:26:27.539
of kids.

591
00:26:27.599 --> 00:26:30.240
I think I tell you, and even that, you know, the fact that their

592
00:26:30.240 --> 00:26:34.380
own tubes are there and already labelled, is pretty great.

593
00:26:34.440 --> 00:26:35.519
Sorry.

594
00:26:35.579 --> 00:26:37.619
The space museum did this idea better.

595
00:26:37.680 --> 00:26:39.119
Ask is waiting for you.

596
00:26:41.220 --> 00:26:45.180
Yeah, like, I think, you know, like, I think there is some scary

597
00:26:45.180 --> 00:26:47.519
imagery here, but it's this, like, what the fuck?

598
00:26:47.579 --> 00:26:48.180
I don't know.

599
00:26:48.240 --> 00:26:51.000
Like, why are they dead?

600
00:26:51.059 --> 00:26:51.839
Like what happened?

601
00:26:51.900 --> 00:26:52.859
We don't know.

602
00:26:52.859 --> 00:26:54.299
Hang on, you know.

603
00:26:54.359 --> 00:26:56.880
He just said their own imperfections killed them.

604
00:26:56.940 --> 00:26:59.519
So, oh, I'm so sorry we got in the way of your torturous

605
00:26:59.519 --> 00:27:01.259
experiments and our bodies were weak.

606
00:27:01.319 --> 00:27:04.440
He seems to be suggesting it's their fault that they're dead.

607
00:27:04.559 --> 00:27:06.720
Well, I don't know, I don't know.

608
00:27:06.779 --> 00:27:07.559
It just makes no sense.

609
00:27:07.619 --> 00:27:09.720
And it doesn't go anywhere and it doesn't matter.

610
00:27:09.779 --> 00:27:13.559
Look, I love that, where Spock just walks up to him and gives him

611
00:27:13.559 --> 00:27:16.259
the fucking neck pitch and he falls over.

612
00:27:16.319 --> 00:27:18.059
I just like, that is actually pretty fucking great.

613
00:27:18.180 --> 00:27:20.039
If I shoot a gun at you, yeah?

614
00:27:20.099 --> 00:27:22.140
It's not you got in the way.

615
00:27:22.140 --> 00:27:25.380
It's not your fault that your body can't handle it, you know.

616
00:27:27.119 --> 00:27:28.980
These aliens.

617
00:27:29.039 --> 00:27:31.680
Now, look, that's just from the enterprise set.

618
00:27:31.740 --> 00:27:32.579
Look at that grid in there.

619
00:27:32.819 --> 00:27:34.980
That is from the Enterprise.

620
00:27:35.099 --> 00:27:36.180
I bet all this is, isn't it?

621
00:27:36.240 --> 00:27:37.500
I bet that's the transporter pad.

622
00:27:38.940 --> 00:27:41.279
Actually, there's...

623
00:27:41.279 --> 00:27:42.779
They are bum headed aliens, see?

624
00:27:42.839 --> 00:27:44.579
They've got a butt crack at the back of the head.

625
00:27:44.640 --> 00:27:45.599
Did you see?

626
00:27:45.599 --> 00:27:46.619
It's quite a big room.

627
00:27:46.680 --> 00:27:48.420
They sort of went right off into the distance.

628
00:27:48.480 --> 00:27:49.200
It's a big space.

629
00:27:49.259 --> 00:27:49.619
Yeah.

630
00:27:49.680 --> 00:27:53.279
Oh, into stock cave set 52 and then the planet's surface.

631
00:27:53.339 --> 00:27:54.960
Oh here we go.

632
00:27:55.019 --> 00:27:58.140
I was surprised that we actually went back here quite so soon.

633
00:27:58.200 --> 00:27:59.039
I thought we were going to be.

634
00:27:59.099 --> 00:28:01.019
There's such a storm whip it up.

635
00:28:01.079 --> 00:28:03.900
Watch how her shawl decorously blows about the place.

636
00:28:04.200 --> 00:28:06.240
It's something, right?

637
00:28:06.299 --> 00:28:07.019
It's like...

638
00:28:07.019 --> 00:28:11.099
It's so stupid too.

639
00:28:11.220 --> 00:28:13.500
And Scotty, who's doing his best.

640
00:28:13.559 --> 00:28:15.359
I'm an illusion acting.

641
00:28:16.980 --> 00:28:21.359
But despite this, you know, extreme storm.

642
00:28:21.420 --> 00:28:24.059
His brill creamed hair doesn't move a jot.

643
00:28:24.119 --> 00:28:25.380
No, well, no.

644
00:28:25.440 --> 00:28:28.380
It's a terrible look, his hair in serious and free.

645
00:28:28.440 --> 00:28:29.460
It's so bad.

646
00:28:29.519 --> 00:28:30.599
It is so bad.

647
00:28:30.839 --> 00:28:34.799
I mean, if the wind was that strong, those polar styroons rocks

648
00:28:34.799 --> 00:28:35.880
would be a goner, wouldn't they?

649
00:28:36.660 --> 00:28:37.440
they're stuck down.

650
00:28:37.500 --> 00:28:38.759
I think they blew them.

651
00:28:38.819 --> 00:28:39.779
Oh here he is.

652
00:28:39.839 --> 00:28:41.160
Waving.

653
00:28:41.220 --> 00:28:42.599
I can't have that.

654
00:28:42.660 --> 00:28:44.519
It's Scotty in the search party.

655
00:28:44.579 --> 00:28:48.839
There's a couple of really weird zooms as well, as if they're not

656
00:28:48.839 --> 00:28:50.279
being done in camera, but later.

657
00:28:50.339 --> 00:28:52.799
I don't know whether that's even a possibility, but there's some

658
00:28:52.799 --> 00:28:55.140
very... novels who've been an hour in 60s straight.

659
00:28:55.200 --> 00:28:55.859
I don't know.

660
00:28:55.920 --> 00:28:58.680
I mean, I'm quite keen on a dramatic crash Zoom.

661
00:29:00.119 --> 00:29:02.039
Oh, God.

662
00:29:02.099 --> 00:29:05.579
We are observing you from above the polystyring rock.

663
00:29:06.000 --> 00:29:09.180
Why does Captain Kirk start going in slow motion here?

664
00:29:09.240 --> 00:29:11.400
Yeah, I don't really get it.

665
00:29:11.460 --> 00:29:12.779
Is he actually in?

666
00:29:12.779 --> 00:29:13.980
Slow motion or his shat.

667
00:29:14.039 --> 00:29:15.480
Not just moving very slowly.

668
00:29:15.539 --> 00:29:18.000
I think he might be slow motion.

669
00:29:18.059 --> 00:29:19.619
I think it's both.

670
00:29:19.740 --> 00:29:20.819
I think it's both.

671
00:29:21.660 --> 00:29:25.319
But the wind is still whipping sort of fairly quickly.

672
00:29:25.380 --> 00:29:28.559
But again, it's just like, what are we learning here?

673
00:29:28.619 --> 00:29:29.579
Do you know what I mean?

674
00:29:29.640 --> 00:29:30.599
This is so boring.

675
00:29:30.660 --> 00:29:33.539
It's just the aliens kind of going, they love their life.

676
00:29:33.599 --> 00:29:35.039
Their will to survive is strong.

677
00:29:35.099 --> 00:29:36.059
It's just like, come on.

678
00:29:36.119 --> 00:29:39.660
Yeah, but what's just got to do with them testing her?

679
00:29:39.720 --> 00:29:41.099
I don't know.

680
00:29:41.160 --> 00:29:42.180
I don't know.

681
00:29:42.240 --> 00:29:45.839
Because they're supposed to be testing them, so she reacts, I

682
00:29:45.839 --> 00:29:46.079
thought.

683
00:29:46.259 --> 00:29:51.599
Well, I think though, isn't she supposed to learn compassion and

684
00:29:51.599 --> 00:29:53.579
self-sacrifice from them?

685
00:29:53.880 --> 00:30:00.660
And so part of the picture is, they have to want to live.

686
00:30:00.720 --> 00:30:03.779
This is just embarrassing, Bill.

687
00:30:03.839 --> 00:30:04.920
This is shockingly bad.

688
00:30:04.980 --> 00:30:06.900
I covered him in sweat though.

689
00:30:06.960 --> 00:30:07.380
Look at him.

690
00:30:07.440 --> 00:30:09.119
Yeah, yeah. that's terrible.

691
00:30:09.720 --> 00:30:14.160
So the fact that they want to live means that they're sacrifice.

692
00:30:14.220 --> 00:30:15.960
I don't know, I'm just making all this up.

693
00:30:16.019 --> 00:30:18.779
So their self-sacrifice means something.

694
00:30:18.839 --> 00:30:22.380
Maybe it's in slow motion because we just want to make out the

695
00:30:22.380 --> 00:30:22.859
running time.

696
00:30:23.039 --> 00:30:27.299
I think Shatner doesn't care how embarrassed he looks.

697
00:30:27.359 --> 00:30:29.640
At this point, as long as he gets the close up.

698
00:30:29.700 --> 00:30:31.740
I'm not doing this next year.

699
00:30:31.799 --> 00:30:32.519
This is bullshit.

700
00:30:32.579 --> 00:30:33.720
This is just not happening.

701
00:30:35.819 --> 00:30:40.019
Is it true that there was 2 more years, you know, the five-year

702
00:30:40.019 --> 00:30:40.319
mission.

703
00:30:40.380 --> 00:30:41.400
Obviously this is year three.

704
00:30:41.460 --> 00:30:42.119
Yeah?

705
00:30:42.180 --> 00:30:42.960
I don't know.

706
00:30:43.019 --> 00:30:46.619
Now, I know Dory Fontana thinks that was the animated series, but

707
00:30:46.619 --> 00:30:47.880
let's not go with that theory.

708
00:30:47.940 --> 00:30:49.799
Yeah, let's not go too far.

709
00:30:49.859 --> 00:30:54.119
That's our sort of a pocket dimension that lower deck occasionally

710
00:30:54.119 --> 00:30:54.779
refers to.

711
00:30:54.839 --> 00:30:56.460
No, it's real.

712
00:30:56.579 --> 00:30:57.059
It all happened.

713
00:30:57.119 --> 00:31:00.059
You've got to hope the adventure's got a bit better than this in

714
00:31:00.059 --> 00:31:01.319
the next 2 years, don't you?

715
00:31:01.380 --> 00:31:04.799
I mean, this is this is like just nothing.

716
00:31:04.859 --> 00:31:07.859
Just think of some of the stuff we've had in this show.

717
00:31:07.920 --> 00:31:11.880
Think of them doomsday machine.

718
00:31:11.940 --> 00:31:13.559
We had so much fun.

719
00:31:13.619 --> 00:31:16.500
You know, like just, there's really, really good stuff.

720
00:31:16.559 --> 00:31:17.940
Trouble with tribles.

721
00:31:18.480 --> 00:31:19.740
Do a cobble do in a black room.

722
00:31:19.859 --> 00:31:21.059
Yeah, yeah.

723
00:31:21.119 --> 00:31:21.900
Yeah.

724
00:31:21.960 --> 00:31:25.740
Oh, all of this is so tedious.

725
00:31:26.279 --> 00:31:31.019
And I think it's a sort of thing as well. that non-Star Trek fans

726
00:31:31.019 --> 00:31:32.579
thing all Star Trek is like.

727
00:31:32.640 --> 00:31:33.839
Yeah, the soundtrack's like this.

728
00:31:33.839 --> 00:31:37.740
I'm headed out of bullshit. that kidnap Captain Kirk and Torture.

729
00:31:37.799 --> 00:31:42.059
Yeah, yeah. that want to learn about this human thing you call, you

730
00:31:42.059 --> 00:31:43.559
know, compassion or whatever.

731
00:31:43.799 --> 00:31:46.619
This human thing you call kissing.

732
00:31:46.680 --> 00:31:49.140
You know, like it's it's crap.

733
00:31:49.200 --> 00:31:53.700
Yeah, unlike R2 from Enterprise, that, you know, only get one line

734
00:31:53.700 --> 00:31:54.480
per episode.

735
00:31:54.539 --> 00:31:58.140
Walter and Michelle, neither of them were like, they're not in

736
00:31:58.140 --> 00:31:58.319
it.

737
00:31:58.380 --> 00:32:00.480
No, they're not in it. rather not take the line.

738
00:32:00.539 --> 00:32:01.319
We'll have the week.

739
00:32:03.299 --> 00:32:08.400
Which is why that executive is there in water.

740
00:32:08.460 --> 00:32:11.220
And there's a very pretty lady there in the shells.

741
00:32:11.279 --> 00:32:14.039
Oh, okay. should have a look.

742
00:32:14.099 --> 00:32:15.420
Oh, yeah, yeah, Scotty.

743
00:32:15.480 --> 00:32:16.559
You know what he's trying to do?

744
00:32:16.619 --> 00:32:18.420
He's balding, isn't it?

745
00:32:18.480 --> 00:32:22.200
He's trying to sweep his hair over his balding spot I thought he

746
00:32:22.200 --> 00:32:24.539
was trying to do, he was trying to do Shatnerhead.

747
00:32:24.599 --> 00:32:26.880
Yeah, see, there's no way that Shatner, is it?

748
00:32:26.940 --> 00:32:29.940
That is an amazing shot and it is terrifying.

749
00:32:30.000 --> 00:32:33.000
No, he's too broad for Shatner.

750
00:32:33.599 --> 00:32:36.420
Like, look how muscular that back is.

751
00:32:36.480 --> 00:32:37.019
It's hard.

752
00:32:37.980 --> 00:32:39.000
That hair is not the same.

753
00:32:39.000 --> 00:32:39.779
Just stay there.

754
00:32:39.839 --> 00:32:41.700
No, no, no, no, no, not at all.

755
00:32:41.759 --> 00:32:44.400
Now here we are on the close-up from the front.

756
00:32:44.460 --> 00:32:46.140
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

757
00:32:46.200 --> 00:32:46.859
No, he looks great.

758
00:32:46.920 --> 00:32:48.180
He looks pretty good.

759
00:32:48.240 --> 00:32:52.200
What would be your thing of choice to eat off of William Shatner

760
00:32:52.200 --> 00:32:52.559
right now?

761
00:32:52.619 --> 00:32:55.859
Tara, the stamens...

762
00:32:55.920 --> 00:32:57.900
But I would need it off the stuntman's back.

763
00:32:57.960 --> 00:33:01.859
Probably chips, you know, chip buddy.

764
00:33:01.920 --> 00:33:02.700
Actually, I don't know.

765
00:33:03.059 --> 00:33:04.740
That's probably a terrible lover, isn't he?

766
00:33:04.799 --> 00:33:06.359
He'd just be thinking about himself.

767
00:33:06.420 --> 00:33:07.920
Yeah, that's all right.

768
00:33:07.920 --> 00:33:12.059
He loved he fucking loved these close up, sorry, didn't he?

769
00:33:12.119 --> 00:33:13.140
It was hairy old.

770
00:33:13.200 --> 00:33:14.099
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

771
00:33:14.160 --> 00:33:14.819
Yeah, yeah.

772
00:33:14.880 --> 00:33:15.480
Yeah.

773
00:33:15.539 --> 00:33:17.819
And someone sprayed him with sweat, which is pretty awesome.

774
00:33:17.880 --> 00:33:22.140
For some reason, the camera's sort of cradling in and out.

775
00:33:22.200 --> 00:33:23.400
I don't know, I don't know.

776
00:33:23.460 --> 00:33:25.680
It's very sort of Star Trek discovery style.

777
00:33:25.740 --> 00:33:26.880
I just want to stop moving.

778
00:33:27.240 --> 00:33:30.539
I did well round and do all sorts of exciting things.

779
00:33:30.599 --> 00:33:31.440
It is very strange.

780
00:33:31.500 --> 00:33:35.819
And so, so they're torturing him in front of her.

781
00:33:35.819 --> 00:33:37.859
And then they drop.

782
00:33:37.980 --> 00:33:40.319
Oh, that's when there's someone different hanging from the

783
00:33:40.319 --> 00:33:40.740
ceiling.

784
00:33:40.799 --> 00:33:44.279
Um, and like she's completely unreadable.

785
00:33:44.339 --> 00:33:45.839
Oh my god.

786
00:33:46.019 --> 00:33:50.460
She is thinking, oh, I could just take his trousers down right

787
00:33:50.460 --> 00:33:50.640
now.

788
00:33:50.700 --> 00:33:52.019
He's helpless.

789
00:33:56.220 --> 00:33:56.640
She is.

790
00:33:57.900 --> 00:33:59.160
I can torture him some more.

791
00:34:00.420 --> 00:34:05.039
Oh, meanwhile, elsewhere in the void, we're kind of wandering

792
00:34:05.039 --> 00:34:05.279
off.

793
00:34:05.339 --> 00:34:12.960
So because of this torture, this was not shown in the UK until the

794
00:34:12.960 --> 00:34:14.460
1990s.

795
00:34:14.519 --> 00:34:17.639
Exactly when we were prepared for it in the 90s.

796
00:34:17.699 --> 00:34:18.119
No.

797
00:34:18.179 --> 00:34:20.820
Well, no, when no one gave a shit, you know, like at that point.

798
00:34:20.880 --> 00:34:26.039
But they showed Miri in the 1970s and there were complaints to the

799
00:34:26.039 --> 00:34:30.840
BBC, and so they decided, they reviewed the other episodes of the

800
00:34:30.840 --> 00:34:35.400
series, and they decided not to show whom gods destroy, Plato's

801
00:34:35.400 --> 00:34:39.780
stepchildren, and this, all of which are just tortured the

802
00:34:39.780 --> 00:34:43.800
characters, episodes until the, you know, the credits run.

803
00:34:44.579 --> 00:34:46.739
What is she thinking right now?

804
00:34:46.800 --> 00:34:47.579
I don't know.

805
00:34:48.179 --> 00:34:51.960
But he's been tortured and is in a terrible state and the camera

806
00:34:51.960 --> 00:34:54.420
just keeps cutting to her with this blank look on her face.

807
00:34:54.420 --> 00:34:56.699
Like, yeah, yeah, she's not conveying anything.

808
00:34:56.760 --> 00:34:58.860
I feel as if she's thinking, what?

809
00:34:58.920 --> 00:35:00.000
Do you want me to do something?

810
00:35:00.059 --> 00:35:02.519
Like, I can't help.

811
00:35:02.519 --> 00:35:03.239
She's doing it.

812
00:35:03.300 --> 00:35:06.840
No, she's doing her fingernail kind of healing acting.

813
00:35:07.019 --> 00:35:09.420
I've done this to a few men, you know.

814
00:35:13.320 --> 00:35:16.980
And now she's feeling love and empathy.

815
00:35:17.039 --> 00:35:18.599
Oh, pain as well.

816
00:35:18.659 --> 00:35:19.980
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

817
00:35:20.039 --> 00:35:21.840
But again, do you know what I mean?

818
00:35:21.900 --> 00:35:25.139
Like it's her job as a woman to just shut up and fix him.

819
00:35:25.199 --> 00:35:26.519
Do you know what I mean?

820
00:35:26.579 --> 00:35:28.920
Like, she is the victim and empathise.

821
00:35:28.980 --> 00:35:30.659
That's her job, yeah, you know?

822
00:35:30.719 --> 00:35:31.380
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

823
00:35:31.440 --> 00:35:34.920
So he's a big strong man who spends all day out at the being

824
00:35:34.920 --> 00:35:36.179
tortured factory.

825
00:35:36.239 --> 00:35:39.659
And then when he comes home of an evening, he expects her to take

826
00:35:39.659 --> 00:35:43.320
on the burden of his, like, look how terrible.

827
00:35:43.380 --> 00:35:46.380
Like, I can see why the BBC didn't show this in the 70s.

828
00:35:46.500 --> 00:35:48.780
His hands look like cut up, didn't they?

829
00:35:48.840 --> 00:35:50.280
It's quite nasty.

830
00:35:50.340 --> 00:35:52.440
But now look, now her hands are.

831
00:35:52.500 --> 00:35:55.260
She was giving it a bit of welly there, though, you know.

832
00:35:55.260 --> 00:35:56.039
I teach.

833
00:35:56.039 --> 00:35:56.940
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

834
00:35:56.940 --> 00:35:59.940
There was some proper acting there and then it goes away and then

835
00:35:59.940 --> 00:36:00.659
she's very tired.

836
00:36:01.139 --> 00:36:02.880
Yeah, yeah.

837
00:36:02.940 --> 00:36:06.360
Oh, so where does it where does it go once it leaves her?

838
00:36:06.960 --> 00:36:08.699
She heals.

839
00:36:08.760 --> 00:36:09.840
She just heals.

840
00:36:09.960 --> 00:36:10.380
Oh, okay.

841
00:36:10.679 --> 00:36:12.659
Oh, so it's not so bad.

842
00:36:12.719 --> 00:36:15.420
No, but it does drain her energy.

843
00:36:15.480 --> 00:36:16.199
Yeah.

844
00:36:16.260 --> 00:36:22.139
And so that's why she's, those, like, suddenly her false eyelashes

845
00:36:22.139 --> 00:36:22.559
are very heavy.

846
00:36:22.619 --> 00:36:26.699
That's right decorously just fell to the floor there.

847
00:36:26.760 --> 00:36:29.099
Yeah, you know, in quite a comfortable position.

848
00:36:29.219 --> 00:36:31.320
And look, it's nice padded carpet as well.

849
00:36:31.380 --> 00:36:33.059
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

850
00:36:33.119 --> 00:36:34.079
I actually like that bit.

851
00:36:34.139 --> 00:36:36.000
The patterned carpet is very period.

852
00:36:36.059 --> 00:36:37.380
It reminds me of my childhood.

853
00:36:37.440 --> 00:36:43.260
Um, you know, uh, someone said that this this couch is like the

854
00:36:43.260 --> 00:36:47.400
couch is in whom gods destroy, the special couch in whom gods

855
00:36:47.400 --> 00:36:47.940
destroy.

856
00:36:48.059 --> 00:36:49.380
Oh, really?

857
00:36:49.440 --> 00:36:52.139
Oh, no, I swear they were all covered in co-opets and things, you

858
00:36:52.139 --> 00:36:53.880
know, just...

859
00:36:53.940 --> 00:36:56.159
What is that bizarre bit of apparatus behind them?

860
00:36:56.219 --> 00:36:57.000
Just something.

861
00:36:57.059 --> 00:37:00.000
Just put something in the set to make it look a bit more

862
00:37:00.000 --> 00:37:00.300
interesting.

863
00:37:00.360 --> 00:37:02.219
But light it red as well.

864
00:37:02.280 --> 00:37:04.739
They're still doing the thing with the gels that they do in a

865
00:37:04.739 --> 00:37:06.360
normal set, which I think is great.

866
00:37:06.420 --> 00:37:08.280
Like that's an interesting shot.

867
00:37:08.340 --> 00:37:10.920
It just adds some interest to the shots, some texture.

868
00:37:10.980 --> 00:37:13.920
But like, you know, obviously this is usually lit in a really

869
00:37:13.920 --> 00:37:15.179
vivid way to show.

870
00:37:15.239 --> 00:37:19.920
So it is a creative choice to make this as abstract as it is.

871
00:37:20.039 --> 00:37:20.760
Yeah.

872
00:37:20.760 --> 00:37:21.360
Yeah.

873
00:37:21.480 --> 00:37:22.019
Why?

874
00:37:22.079 --> 00:37:23.099
It's so boring.

875
00:37:23.159 --> 00:37:24.300
Yeah.

876
00:37:24.360 --> 00:37:25.019
Yeah.

877
00:37:25.079 --> 00:37:27.960
It's like I said, I'm in favour of it in theory, but not in

878
00:37:27.960 --> 00:37:28.559
practice.

879
00:37:28.619 --> 00:37:34.800
And if the rest of the episode was engaging in some way, or if

880
00:37:34.800 --> 00:37:38.159
there were things happening that I could possibly care about, maybe

881
00:37:38.159 --> 00:37:43.260
I could cope with that, you know, the black backdrop, but because

882
00:37:43.260 --> 00:37:47.579
just a whole bunch of shit is happening in no particular order and

883
00:37:47.579 --> 00:37:51.840
for no particular reason, um, you know, like the sets become

884
00:37:51.840 --> 00:37:54.300
irritating under the circumstances, I think.

885
00:37:54.360 --> 00:37:59.340
Do you know, the thing we discovered with this three, the main 3

886
00:37:59.340 --> 00:38:04.079
in TOS, is they're at their best when, like, you know, like when

887
00:38:04.079 --> 00:38:06.480
Kirk is really charming and relaxed.

888
00:38:06.480 --> 00:38:10.079
And or when they're really funny, there's jokes, you know, banter

889
00:38:10.079 --> 00:38:12.960
back and forth between Kirk and Mar, there's none of that here at

890
00:38:12.960 --> 00:38:13.500
all, is there?

891
00:38:13.559 --> 00:38:14.039
No.

892
00:38:14.099 --> 00:38:14.940
No.

893
00:38:15.000 --> 00:38:17.099
But they've been in worse situations than this.

894
00:38:17.219 --> 00:38:22.679
Yeah, like think about, think about how much like Spock's concern

895
00:38:22.679 --> 00:38:28.619
for Jim was clear in the devil in the dark.

896
00:38:28.739 --> 00:38:29.880
Remember that.

897
00:38:29.940 --> 00:38:33.840
Like, again, Devil in the Dark cares enough about being a Star

898
00:38:33.840 --> 00:38:37.920
Trek episode to set it in a place where things happen for some

899
00:38:37.920 --> 00:38:39.480
kind of organic reason.

900
00:38:39.539 --> 00:38:43.320
And we put the characters under stress and see how they react to

901
00:38:43.320 --> 00:38:44.940
each other and what their relationship is like.

902
00:38:45.000 --> 00:38:48.300
Here, it's just like you've got these guys saying you're going to

903
00:38:48.300 --> 00:38:50.219
be tortured, you're going to have this happen to you.

904
00:38:50.280 --> 00:38:51.300
Do you know what I mean?

905
00:38:51.360 --> 00:38:53.940
Like all of this stuff is happening for kind of no reason as far

906
00:38:53.940 --> 00:38:54.840
as we can tell.

907
00:38:54.900 --> 00:38:56.820
Um, and so it's boring.

908
00:38:56.880 --> 00:38:57.420
It doesn't matter.

909
00:38:57.539 --> 00:39:01.019
Do you know what he looks like, that alien right close to the

910
00:39:01.019 --> 00:39:01.500
camera there?

911
00:39:01.800 --> 00:39:03.719
I'm sorry to do this.

912
00:39:03.780 --> 00:39:08.099
He looks like the wrinkly old man in the sauna that's waited out

913
00:39:08.099 --> 00:39:11.039
the whole day for the young people to be desperate enough to sleep

914
00:39:11.039 --> 00:39:11.460
with him.

915
00:39:11.519 --> 00:39:14.820
That's exactly what he looks like, you know, with his wrinkly face

916
00:39:14.820 --> 00:39:16.860
there, you know, he's been in the steam all day.

917
00:39:16.920 --> 00:39:20.519
Because he's got to kind of get a butthole face, don't you think?

918
00:39:20.579 --> 00:39:22.500
Like that's kind of, it's super upsetting.

919
00:39:22.559 --> 00:39:24.239
I'm saying that in a dismissive way.

920
00:39:24.300 --> 00:39:25.800
I'm approaching that age now, right?

921
00:39:25.860 --> 00:39:27.179
So I'm not being too mean.

922
00:39:27.239 --> 00:39:27.780
That's it.

923
00:39:27.840 --> 00:39:31.559
That's a grim portent of the immediate future.

924
00:39:31.619 --> 00:39:33.300
Crush Zoom.

925
00:39:33.360 --> 00:39:36.119
But do you remember as well, like how well-directed Devil in the

926
00:39:36.119 --> 00:39:36.599
Dark Wars?

927
00:39:36.659 --> 00:39:38.880
How edgy and expensive that direction was.

928
00:39:38.940 --> 00:39:41.219
There's nothing happening here, is there?

929
00:39:41.280 --> 00:39:44.460
And that was cheesy and pop art, and, you know, everyone was

930
00:39:44.460 --> 00:39:47.280
wearing pink and like, it was all, it was just great.

931
00:39:47.400 --> 00:39:50.099
You know, it was probably... that window, which was just a

932
00:39:50.099 --> 00:39:50.460
painting.

933
00:39:50.579 --> 00:39:52.079
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

934
00:39:52.139 --> 00:39:55.019
And the duvet, like the fucking thing was a duvet.

935
00:39:55.079 --> 00:39:57.719
You know, like it was preposterous, but it was just really good.

936
00:39:57.780 --> 00:40:01.320
That's a well composed shot with the 3 of them in the triangle

937
00:40:01.320 --> 00:40:01.679
isn't it?

938
00:40:01.739 --> 00:40:02.639
Yes.

939
00:40:02.699 --> 00:40:03.480
Yeah, yeah.

940
00:40:03.539 --> 00:40:06.840
Every now and again, there is a bit of flair.

941
00:40:07.920 --> 00:40:09.300
Yeah.

942
00:40:09.360 --> 00:40:14.280
Have we gone past a bit, yeah, where Spock decides that he's going

943
00:40:14.280 --> 00:40:16.500
to sacrifice himself. and McCoy is just appalled.

944
00:40:16.619 --> 00:40:21.480
Well, I mean, again, you know, he sort of declares you have a 73

945
00:40:21.480 --> 00:40:24.780
chance of irreversible brain damage, and you have an 87

946
00:40:24.780 --> 00:40:26.880
perchance...

947
00:40:26.940 --> 00:40:28.619
Climbs up on jam, Nathan.

948
00:40:28.679 --> 00:40:31.980
She's thinking, ooh, I'd love a threesome with a pair of them.

949
00:40:33.659 --> 00:40:37.260
You could literally, this just goes to show you could put any

950
00:40:37.260 --> 00:40:38.699
words in this woman's mouth.

951
00:40:41.460 --> 00:40:43.139
Bless her.

952
00:40:43.559 --> 00:40:45.599
But is that what's happened?

953
00:40:45.659 --> 00:40:46.559
That has happened already.

954
00:40:46.619 --> 00:40:49.619
Is that what the bum headed aliens said in their close-up before?

955
00:40:49.679 --> 00:40:51.360
I stopped paying attention to the subtitles.

956
00:40:51.420 --> 00:40:53.820
Oh, I don't want to look at it.

957
00:40:53.880 --> 00:40:54.599
I was just looking at you.

958
00:40:54.659 --> 00:40:55.800
You're much prettier, you know?

959
00:40:57.300 --> 00:41:00.780
Sorry, whenever they're on the screen, I'll look away.

960
00:41:02.340 --> 00:41:06.119
Although maybe they're quite frightening for the younger kids as

961
00:41:06.119 --> 00:41:06.300
well.

962
00:41:06.360 --> 00:41:10.380
Yeah, but I think certainly the dead people in the in the

963
00:41:10.380 --> 00:41:13.320
containers are pretty terrifying and so is the way that they're

964
00:41:13.320 --> 00:41:14.579
strung up to be tortured.

965
00:41:14.639 --> 00:41:19.739
So McCoy's just sent Captain Kirk to sleep and we're all quite

966
00:41:19.739 --> 00:41:21.059
jealous of him at this point.

967
00:41:21.659 --> 00:41:22.320
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

968
00:41:22.380 --> 00:41:25.139
But again, there's something stupid about this.

969
00:41:25.199 --> 00:41:31.500
So he pokes him with a hyper spray and then Spock does it to him.

970
00:41:31.559 --> 00:41:32.280
Does he know?

971
00:41:32.340 --> 00:41:34.500
Yeah, because Spock says, well now I'm in charge.

972
00:41:34.559 --> 00:41:37.860
And so I'm going to go and sacrifice my life because I'm in

973
00:41:37.860 --> 00:41:38.519
charge.

974
00:41:38.579 --> 00:41:42.239
Um, and like, like this is all dumb.

975
00:41:42.300 --> 00:41:45.840
Like, it's funny, couldn't you, that they're all sacrificing

976
00:41:45.840 --> 00:41:46.380
themselves?

977
00:41:46.440 --> 00:41:49.199
You could make it a joke, but it's so deadly serious.

978
00:41:49.679 --> 00:41:53.280
But yeah, yeah, it's deadly serious, but it's also dumb.

979
00:41:53.400 --> 00:41:55.980
Like, it doesn't come out of character at some weird procedural

980
00:41:55.980 --> 00:41:56.280
thing.

981
00:41:56.340 --> 00:42:00.119
It's like, ah, well, you made a tactical error, McCoy, by, you

982
00:42:00.119 --> 00:42:03.360
know, anaesthetizing him because now I'm going to go off and

983
00:42:03.360 --> 00:42:05.699
sacrifice my life and see how you like that.

984
00:42:05.820 --> 00:42:08.579
Did you notice the cut to gem during that argument?

985
00:42:08.639 --> 00:42:10.619
I can give you what she was thinking.

986
00:42:10.679 --> 00:42:11.400
Jim or Jim?

987
00:42:11.460 --> 00:42:12.539
What was she thinking?

988
00:42:12.599 --> 00:42:12.900
Jim.

989
00:42:12.960 --> 00:42:15.239
She was thinking, I'm not sacrificing myself.

990
00:42:15.300 --> 00:42:16.019
Don't look at me.

991
00:42:16.079 --> 00:42:17.340
That's what she was thinking.

992
00:42:17.400 --> 00:42:21.300
That's right And that would be perfectly reasonable, but somehow

993
00:42:21.300 --> 00:42:25.079
the bum headed aliens want to condemn her entire civilization's

994
00:42:25.079 --> 00:42:26.760
being burned up in a supernova.

995
00:42:27.000 --> 00:42:28.800
What she doing now?

996
00:42:28.860 --> 00:42:33.659
So she's holding his arm and sort of smiling and tilting her head

997
00:42:33.659 --> 00:42:34.079
slightly.

998
00:42:34.800 --> 00:42:38.940
The eye makeup is really off putting, I think, don't you?

999
00:42:39.000 --> 00:42:40.199
Yeah.

1000
00:42:40.320 --> 00:42:43.980
I've only just noticed, you know, her gown is covered in gems.

1001
00:42:44.039 --> 00:42:45.659
That's why it's called her gym, isn't it?

1002
00:42:45.719 --> 00:42:46.739
Oh, okay.

1003
00:42:46.739 --> 00:42:47.940
She's covered in crystals.

1004
00:42:48.000 --> 00:42:49.679
Right, right.

1005
00:42:49.739 --> 00:42:50.579
But what's happening here?

1006
00:42:50.639 --> 00:42:53.280
Your action is highly unethical.

1007
00:42:53.340 --> 00:42:55.679
My decision starts, Spot. does it?

1008
00:42:55.739 --> 00:42:57.000
Now he does it to Spark.

1009
00:42:57.059 --> 00:42:58.679
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1010
00:42:58.739 --> 00:43:00.179
No, God's sake.

1011
00:43:00.179 --> 00:43:01.500
God.

1012
00:43:01.559 --> 00:43:02.280
Yeah, yeah.

1013
00:43:02.340 --> 00:43:04.920
I'm jealous of Spock now, he's unconscious.

1014
00:43:06.119 --> 00:43:08.460
Oh, bum is the back.

1015
00:43:08.699 --> 00:43:11.579
The choice has been made.

1016
00:43:11.639 --> 00:43:13.320
Oh my god.

1017
00:43:13.380 --> 00:43:16.079
She's like, yes, off you pop.

1018
00:43:16.139 --> 00:43:17.460
Just go sacrifice yourself.

1019
00:43:17.519 --> 00:43:18.840
You'll be fine.

1020
00:43:21.900 --> 00:43:25.679
She just looks at him with infinite compassion.

1021
00:43:25.739 --> 00:43:28.440
Yeah, she is covered in gems, isn't she?

1022
00:43:28.500 --> 00:43:29.280
Just looking at that.

1023
00:43:29.340 --> 00:43:32.219
What does a look of infinite compassion look like?

1024
00:43:32.280 --> 00:43:33.539
Because she's dead behind the eyes.

1025
00:43:33.599 --> 00:43:36.780
It's that all kind of...

1026
00:43:36.780 --> 00:43:38.099
And a single test.

1027
00:43:38.159 --> 00:43:42.780
Oh, like that's happening. cascading down her beautiful face.

1028
00:43:42.840 --> 00:43:44.340
Well, yeah, yeah.

1029
00:43:44.400 --> 00:43:44.820
Yeah.

1030
00:43:44.820 --> 00:43:45.420
Sure.

1031
00:43:45.539 --> 00:43:46.739
Surely she's showing empathy now.

1032
00:43:46.800 --> 00:43:48.179
She's crying because he's killing himself.

1033
00:43:48.599 --> 00:43:50.820
Or torturing him.

1034
00:43:50.880 --> 00:43:55.139
What she's got to do is take on because like there are Bible

1035
00:43:55.139 --> 00:43:56.280
quotes here, right?

1036
00:43:56.340 --> 00:44:00.659
We had some 95 and we have Matthew, I think, at the very end.

1037
00:44:01.079 --> 00:44:07.920
So, well, it's very rare for the Bible to be explicitly quoted in

1038
00:44:07.920 --> 00:44:08.760
Star Trek.

1039
00:44:08.760 --> 00:44:12.000
And, you know, Roddenbury's thing is a kind of post-religion

1040
00:44:12.000 --> 00:44:12.300
thing.

1041
00:44:12.420 --> 00:44:13.739
No one's really religious.

1042
00:44:13.800 --> 00:44:17.760
And we don't see anyone religious in Star Trek.

1043
00:44:17.820 --> 00:44:21.420
We see people who have space religions later, like the Bajorans.

1044
00:44:21.480 --> 00:44:25.800
Uh, and we get a mention of Diwali, don't we, in data's day?

1045
00:44:25.860 --> 00:44:29.099
But no one seems to be actually religious, no humans are

1046
00:44:29.099 --> 00:44:29.519
religious.

1047
00:44:29.579 --> 00:44:34.800
But that guy, the black guy, quotes the Bible when there's an

1048
00:44:34.800 --> 00:44:35.880
earthquake earlier.

1049
00:44:35.940 --> 00:44:40.619
And then at the end, they compared Jem to the Pearl of Great Price

1050
00:44:40.619 --> 00:44:42.719
which is something that Jesus says.

1051
00:44:42.780 --> 00:44:49.320
And, you know, in a story that's about taking on someone's

1052
00:44:49.320 --> 00:44:50.820
injuries.

1053
00:44:50.880 --> 00:44:52.079
Do you know what I mean?

1054
00:44:52.139 --> 00:44:56.579
Someone is harmed, and then someone shows love to that person and

1055
00:44:56.579 --> 00:45:01.500
takes their injuries on themselves, even to the point where they

1056
00:45:01.500 --> 00:45:02.280
may die.

1057
00:45:02.340 --> 00:45:03.780
Do you know what I mean?

1058
00:45:03.840 --> 00:45:07.860
There's something, there's some Christianity, that's, that's a

1059
00:45:07.860 --> 00:45:11.400
sort of fairly sort of Christian idea.

1060
00:45:11.460 --> 00:45:12.659
Do you know what I mean?

1061
00:45:12.719 --> 00:45:15.599
So is there something religious going on here, but it's all

1062
00:45:15.599 --> 00:45:16.559
terribly undercore?

1063
00:45:16.679 --> 00:45:18.239
Not explicit about it though.

1064
00:45:18.300 --> 00:45:19.500
No, they don't know.

1065
00:45:19.559 --> 00:45:22.800
I mean, unusually Star Trek would point this stuff out.

1066
00:45:22.860 --> 00:45:28.320
Well, yeah, remember the bread and circuses with the stupid...

1067
00:45:29.099 --> 00:45:32.639
Beware people like Admiral Satay, Mr. Warf.

1068
00:45:32.699 --> 00:45:33.900
They are everywhere.

1069
00:45:33.960 --> 00:45:37.199
I mean, I mean, bread and circuses. you know, where we had

1070
00:45:37.199 --> 00:45:38.159
Christianity.

1071
00:45:38.219 --> 00:45:41.880
Like we had the Roman planet where we were in the last scene

1072
00:45:41.880 --> 00:45:42.239
wasn't it?

1073
00:45:42.300 --> 00:45:43.380
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1074
00:45:43.440 --> 00:45:46.739
But we knew already, remember, that they were followers of the way

1075
00:45:46.739 --> 00:45:49.500
or something like that, and they couldn't kill.

1076
00:45:49.559 --> 00:45:52.199
Remember the gladiator who couldn't kill anyone?

1077
00:45:52.739 --> 00:45:55.559
Obviously, Roddenbury's out now, isn't it?

1078
00:45:55.619 --> 00:45:56.820
So they're slipping this stuff in.

1079
00:45:56.880 --> 00:45:58.500
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1080
00:45:58.559 --> 00:46:00.360
So, but what is it?

1081
00:46:00.420 --> 00:46:04.079
why is she required to do that?

1082
00:46:04.139 --> 00:46:08.519
Because she does, she shows compassion to McCoy and nearly gives

1083
00:46:08.519 --> 00:46:14.159
up, um, her life for him, but he rejects that.

1084
00:46:14.219 --> 00:46:17.460
He doesn't want that and he tells her repeatedly no.

1085
00:46:17.519 --> 00:46:23.340
And then, and then, you know, Shatnam stops the aliens from making

1086
00:46:23.340 --> 00:46:24.480
her do it or something.

1087
00:46:24.539 --> 00:46:26.159
Like, I just don't...

1088
00:46:26.219 --> 00:46:31.440
Why does she have to justify anyway that they're worthy of being

1089
00:46:31.440 --> 00:46:32.039
saved?

1090
00:46:32.099 --> 00:46:34.139
Are they a terrible race?

1091
00:46:34.260 --> 00:46:36.059
She doesn't seem a particularly terrible person.

1092
00:46:36.119 --> 00:46:39.659
No, but I mean, this is the thing that happens with these, you

1093
00:46:39.659 --> 00:46:44.340
know, like it's Q. You know, comes on to say, do you deserve, you

1094
00:46:44.340 --> 00:46:46.920
know, are you a species that deserve?

1095
00:46:46.980 --> 00:46:47.940
I mean fair enough.

1096
00:46:48.000 --> 00:46:48.900
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1097
00:46:48.960 --> 00:46:49.860
And that's us.

1098
00:46:49.860 --> 00:46:53.340
And basically it's like, do you deserve to have 7 years of

1099
00:46:53.340 --> 00:46:55.260
primetime television?

1100
00:46:55.320 --> 00:46:57.840
You know, like that's what that...

1101
00:46:57.900 --> 00:46:59.340
Turns out, yes, but not quite yet.

1102
00:46:59.460 --> 00:47:01.019
And more.

1103
00:47:02.460 --> 00:47:08.460
That shot, again, of McCoy going to the ad break is terrifying

1104
00:47:08.519 --> 00:47:09.659
don't you think?

1105
00:47:09.719 --> 00:47:12.000
Yeah, it is it is nasty.

1106
00:47:12.420 --> 00:47:13.980
Yeah.

1107
00:47:14.039 --> 00:47:16.320
Unusually nosey for TRS.

1108
00:47:16.380 --> 00:47:17.280
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1109
00:47:17.340 --> 00:47:19.559
I mean, look at that. uniform's torn up.

1110
00:47:19.619 --> 00:47:23.099
He's covered in blood and scratches and bruises and the

1111
00:47:23.099 --> 00:47:24.780
description of his injuries to him.

1112
00:47:24.840 --> 00:47:27.420
Like his kidneys are failing.

1113
00:47:27.480 --> 00:47:30.300
You know, he's spleen his births like they describe his injuries

1114
00:47:30.300 --> 00:47:33.900
in a lot of detail. and he is... definitely dying.

1115
00:47:33.960 --> 00:47:35.519
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1116
00:47:35.579 --> 00:47:39.300
Congestion in both longs, massive circulary collapse.

1117
00:47:39.360 --> 00:47:40.320
What have they been doing to him?

1118
00:47:40.380 --> 00:47:42.599
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1119
00:47:43.440 --> 00:47:47.159
I feel as if these aliens should be punished by the end of the

1120
00:47:47.159 --> 00:47:47.579
episode.

1121
00:47:47.579 --> 00:47:49.440
I think so too, but nothing happens to them.

1122
00:47:49.500 --> 00:47:50.340
Do you know what I mean?

1123
00:47:50.400 --> 00:47:54.179
But, I mean, we have had aliens testing humans in Star Trek all

1124
00:47:54.179 --> 00:47:56.760
the way through and that's part of the problem here, isn't it?

1125
00:47:56.820 --> 00:47:59.219
That it's just this lazy shit again.

1126
00:47:59.280 --> 00:48:02.760
You know, but the twist is it's not testing us.

1127
00:48:02.820 --> 00:48:07.739
The humans have to be tested to make sure that they can be

1128
00:48:07.739 --> 00:48:10.559
recipients of her compassion or something or whatever.

1129
00:48:10.619 --> 00:48:13.019
The humans have to be tested because we care about them.

1130
00:48:13.079 --> 00:48:17.340
We don't really care about gem or something.

1131
00:48:17.340 --> 00:48:18.539
Maybe, right.

1132
00:48:18.599 --> 00:48:21.480
Maybe if they had allowed her to talk.

1133
00:48:21.840 --> 00:48:24.960
I have a character.

1134
00:48:25.019 --> 00:48:28.380
And she could have given us a tedious fucking backstory of our

1135
00:48:28.380 --> 00:48:30.059
home planet like we get every other week.

1136
00:48:30.119 --> 00:48:33.360
But it would have been some context to all of this.

1137
00:48:33.719 --> 00:48:35.400
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1138
00:48:35.400 --> 00:48:37.440
Otherwise, we're just guessing, we're guessing everything.

1139
00:48:37.500 --> 00:48:38.280
That's right.

1140
00:48:38.340 --> 00:48:43.800
And what if they rejected the, like they realised that the test

1141
00:48:43.800 --> 00:48:46.139
was her being tortured.

1142
00:48:46.199 --> 00:48:48.599
They being tortured to test her.

1143
00:48:48.659 --> 00:48:50.280
This is what's happening, isn't it?

1144
00:48:50.340 --> 00:48:53.940
And they, you know, but they get to talk to her.

1145
00:48:54.000 --> 00:48:55.800
They say, no, this is not acceptable.

1146
00:48:55.860 --> 00:48:58.260
You know, you're not failing the test.

1147
00:48:58.320 --> 00:48:59.340
The test is wrong.

1148
00:48:59.400 --> 00:49:02.340
And that's, you know, that's the conclusion that we reach, but

1149
00:49:02.340 --> 00:49:05.460
it's so undercooked because she's no one.

1150
00:49:05.519 --> 00:49:10.019
And as well, though, like, it takes for the aliens to say, oh, it

1151
00:49:10.019 --> 00:49:13.199
was never about torturing you people, it was about, so they don't

1152
00:49:13.199 --> 00:49:13.860
figure anything out.

1153
00:49:13.920 --> 00:49:16.260
They've been hanging around in this space.

1154
00:49:16.320 --> 00:49:18.659
I had plenty of time to sort of figure out what is going on.

1155
00:49:18.780 --> 00:49:19.860
Yeah.

1156
00:49:19.860 --> 00:49:23.280
I think the actors made it up. think that's what happened.

1157
00:49:23.340 --> 00:49:24.059
Yeah, yeah.

1158
00:49:24.119 --> 00:49:26.880
We were talking about allegiance earlier, which is a pretty

1159
00:49:26.880 --> 00:49:30.360
terrible episode of Star Trek the Next Generation, although it is

1160
00:49:30.360 --> 00:49:30.780
pretty fun.

1161
00:49:30.840 --> 00:49:34.260
So that's the one where Captain Picard's in his bed in his

1162
00:49:34.260 --> 00:49:37.079
quarters and he gets photocopied by these aliens and then

1163
00:49:37.079 --> 00:49:37.800
abducted.

1164
00:49:37.800 --> 00:49:46.260
And there's 3 of them or 4 of them, I think, in a confined space

1165
00:49:46.260 --> 00:49:49.440
and they're being tested in some way, but they don't know how.

1166
00:49:49.440 --> 00:49:54.539
And Picard has to work out how and why and who's responsible. of

1167
00:49:54.539 --> 00:49:55.679
that's here, for instance.

1168
00:49:55.739 --> 00:50:00.059
No, in that episode, it's, it is undercooked again, and the

1169
00:50:00.059 --> 00:50:04.440
answers are shit, but they do put a photocopy of Captain Kirk on

1170
00:50:04.440 --> 00:50:06.360
the Enterprise.

1171
00:50:06.719 --> 00:50:10.500
Sexy as hell and goes around trying to fuck Beverly and having the

1172
00:50:10.500 --> 00:50:11.340
best time of his life.

1173
00:50:11.340 --> 00:50:14.820
Shandy's in 10 forward and stuff, that's all terribly fun.

1174
00:50:14.880 --> 00:50:18.719
Maybe if we had copies of the main 3 here on the enterprise, you

1175
00:50:18.719 --> 00:50:21.900
know, behaving in an unusual fashion. waking havoc.

1176
00:50:22.019 --> 00:50:22.860
It could be quite fun.

1177
00:50:22.920 --> 00:50:23.579
Yeah.

1178
00:50:23.639 --> 00:50:26.340
They seem to have an enormous candle on the back of the set

1179
00:50:26.340 --> 00:50:26.579
there.

1180
00:50:26.639 --> 00:50:27.119
Do you see it?

1181
00:50:27.179 --> 00:50:30.659
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, they do. going on there.

1182
00:50:30.719 --> 00:50:32.639
Just in case there's a power cut.

1183
00:50:33.539 --> 00:50:36.960
Yeah, so like this is it now.

1184
00:50:37.019 --> 00:50:40.440
This is like a massive exposition dump about what this has all

1185
00:50:40.440 --> 00:50:40.739
been about.

1186
00:50:40.800 --> 00:50:44.340
But like, but like, we don't know about her planet.

1187
00:50:44.400 --> 00:50:45.780
We've never heard of it before.

1188
00:50:45.840 --> 00:50:46.559
We never heard of it.

1189
00:50:46.619 --> 00:50:49.019
Why did we mention that there were other planets?

1190
00:50:49.079 --> 00:50:51.179
Like your star system will be extinct.

1191
00:50:51.239 --> 00:50:52.559
Your son will go nova.

1192
00:50:52.619 --> 00:50:56.159
The 1000000s of inhabitants on its planets.

1193
00:50:56.219 --> 00:50:57.000
Where were they?

1194
00:50:57.059 --> 00:50:58.500
We haven't mentioned them before.

1195
00:50:58.559 --> 00:50:59.940
They knew about it.

1196
00:51:00.000 --> 00:51:01.199
They're not being told about it.

1197
00:51:01.260 --> 00:51:04.860
Why isn't it in the opening captain's log.

1198
00:51:04.920 --> 00:51:06.119
Do you know what I mean?

1199
00:51:06.179 --> 00:51:08.820
Like, all we know about is the research station.

1200
00:51:08.880 --> 00:51:12.300
Now, suddenly there are heaps of planets with 1000000s of people

1201
00:51:12.300 --> 00:51:16.320
on them, and we didn't think to mention them until, you know, like

1202
00:51:16.320 --> 00:51:18.599
9 minutes in.

1203
00:51:18.659 --> 00:51:22.800
We need like a Captain Kirk impassioned speech straight to camera

1204
00:51:22.800 --> 00:51:24.719
of like, why the fuck are you doing this?

1205
00:51:24.780 --> 00:51:26.400
You can go and help those people.

1206
00:51:26.460 --> 00:51:27.780
We'll go and do it then.

1207
00:51:27.840 --> 00:51:29.519
What are we doing here?

1208
00:51:29.579 --> 00:51:30.239
They're helping.

1209
00:51:30.300 --> 00:51:33.599
Like if they're aware that there are 1000000s of people, why are

1210
00:51:33.599 --> 00:51:35.219
they just going down to this fucking...

1211
00:51:35.280 --> 00:51:38.280
Did I mention I have a huge spaceship, you know, that could take

1212
00:51:38.280 --> 00:51:39.239
people on board?

1213
00:51:39.300 --> 00:51:45.059
But it's got every sign of just being made up on the spot, you

1214
00:51:45.059 --> 00:51:46.980
know, like...

1215
00:51:46.980 --> 00:51:50.159
Maybe this is a good argument against fan writers.

1216
00:51:52.320 --> 00:51:56.460
David Gerald was one of the unsolicited fan writers.

1217
00:51:56.519 --> 00:51:58.679
Was that Travel with Tribbles?

1218
00:51:58.739 --> 00:51:59.519
Yeah, yeah.

1219
00:51:59.579 --> 00:52:00.119
Oh, okay.

1220
00:52:00.179 --> 00:52:03.000
Yeah, but he wrote that terrible TAS episode we did.

1221
00:52:03.059 --> 00:52:04.260
Oh, yeah, yeah.

1222
00:52:04.320 --> 00:52:04.679
Ben.

1223
00:52:04.739 --> 00:52:05.219
No, I know.

1224
00:52:06.840 --> 00:52:10.380
Oh, I just can't look at those ugly aliens anymore.

1225
00:52:11.039 --> 00:52:14.519
There's some kind of sadness that they have.

1226
00:52:14.579 --> 00:52:15.480
Do you know what I mean?

1227
00:52:15.539 --> 00:52:18.000
Like they look, that's conveying something.

1228
00:52:18.059 --> 00:52:19.500
Yes, look at them.

1229
00:52:19.559 --> 00:52:20.639
Of course there's sadness.

1230
00:52:20.699 --> 00:52:22.019
They look in the mirror every morning.

1231
00:52:24.539 --> 00:52:27.840
Still recovering from having shaved this morning.

1232
00:52:27.900 --> 00:52:29.699
Is there only 2 of them?

1233
00:52:29.760 --> 00:52:30.840
Are they a race?

1234
00:52:30.900 --> 00:52:32.940
Do they have a plan?

1235
00:52:32.940 --> 00:52:34.619
No, no.

1236
00:52:34.679 --> 00:52:35.340
Yeah.

1237
00:52:35.400 --> 00:52:35.880
Yeah.

1238
00:52:35.940 --> 00:52:38.820
And in a way, like, that's not the sort of thing that matters.

1239
00:52:38.880 --> 00:52:39.659
Do you know what I mean?

1240
00:52:39.719 --> 00:52:42.719
Eve, the central thing was really interesting and there was a

1241
00:52:42.719 --> 00:52:44.760
mystery, we could cope with that.

1242
00:52:44.820 --> 00:52:48.059
But because nothing makes any sense.

1243
00:52:48.119 --> 00:52:52.440
So she's expected to now just sacrifice her life for him.

1244
00:52:52.500 --> 00:52:54.719
And that's what they're waiting for her to do.

1245
00:52:54.780 --> 00:52:55.980
Yes.

1246
00:52:56.039 --> 00:52:58.500
That is the question she doesn't want to.

1247
00:52:58.559 --> 00:53:02.579
But she does it anyway, and the poor actress hangs around for 8

1248
00:53:02.579 --> 00:53:04.500
hours whilst they apply the makeup.

1249
00:53:04.559 --> 00:53:07.800
They paint the things on the face. face looks really, really

1250
00:53:07.800 --> 00:53:08.460
nasty.

1251
00:53:08.519 --> 00:53:11.760
It's got a massive wilt on his face.

1252
00:53:11.820 --> 00:53:17.639
I think part of the problem too is that when we see her take on

1253
00:53:17.639 --> 00:53:21.900
those wounds, I don't think it's immediately clear that then he's

1254
00:53:21.900 --> 00:53:22.800
still dying.

1255
00:53:22.860 --> 00:53:24.000
Do you know what I mean?

1256
00:53:24.119 --> 00:53:27.420
That all she's taken is the visible part of his wounds, but he's

1257
00:53:27.420 --> 00:53:30.360
still haemorrhaging, you know, like all his internal organs are

1258
00:53:30.360 --> 00:53:30.960
haemorrhaging.

1259
00:53:31.019 --> 00:53:34.199
And you kind of think, well, why that seems like a bad way of

1260
00:53:34.199 --> 00:53:34.920
conveying that.

1261
00:53:34.980 --> 00:53:36.420
Do you know what I mean?

1262
00:53:36.480 --> 00:53:39.840
Like, you know, this is a visual medium.

1263
00:53:39.900 --> 00:53:43.139
So visually it looks like she's taken on all his injuries and

1264
00:53:43.139 --> 00:53:46.380
dealt with them, but then we're told in dialogue, no, that's not

1265
00:53:46.380 --> 00:53:47.340
what's happened at all.

1266
00:53:47.400 --> 00:53:50.400
And you kind of think, well, you know, like you can't even get

1267
00:53:50.400 --> 00:53:51.119
tally right.

1268
00:53:51.179 --> 00:53:54.000
That was a point there where you just did it with someone who

1269
00:53:54.000 --> 00:53:55.619
doesn't watch Star Trek to walk in the room.

1270
00:53:55.679 --> 00:54:00.300
She was fluttering her fingers over McCoy in that sort of

1271
00:54:00.300 --> 00:54:04.500
interpretive dance way, whilst 2 enormous bum-headed aliens walked

1272
00:54:04.500 --> 00:54:05.159
towards her.

1273
00:54:05.159 --> 00:54:09.300
And Captain Kirk and Mr. Spock were caught in a gay ray at the

1274
00:54:09.300 --> 00:54:09.840
back of the shot.

1275
00:54:09.900 --> 00:54:11.280
I mean...

1276
00:54:11.400 --> 00:54:15.780
They're having a little disco to themselves back there. bless

1277
00:54:15.780 --> 00:54:16.440
them.

1278
00:54:16.500 --> 00:54:17.940
So that's it now.

1279
00:54:18.000 --> 00:54:18.539
He's all right.

1280
00:54:18.599 --> 00:54:21.239
Now she's, yeah, it wasn't worth the 8 hours.

1281
00:54:21.300 --> 00:54:22.800
It's all right, but it ain't...

1282
00:54:22.800 --> 00:54:25.019
Oh, yeah, but like...

1283
00:54:26.039 --> 00:54:27.360
But he's not all right.

1284
00:54:27.480 --> 00:54:28.679
Like, he's not all right.

1285
00:54:28.739 --> 00:54:29.460
Do you know what I mean?

1286
00:54:29.519 --> 00:54:30.119
He's still dying.

1287
00:54:30.179 --> 00:54:31.139
She hasn't fixed him.

1288
00:54:31.199 --> 00:54:32.579
She's just taking those things off.

1289
00:54:32.639 --> 00:54:33.239
Am I wrong?

1290
00:54:33.300 --> 00:54:34.380
Did I misunderstand that?

1291
00:54:34.440 --> 00:54:37.380
Oh, he still looks like he's in a bad way.

1292
00:54:37.440 --> 00:54:42.300
Yeah, yeah, yeah, because that's not what, so what we saw and then

1293
00:54:42.300 --> 00:54:45.780
what we get told happened, because she's not done.

1294
00:54:45.840 --> 00:54:47.579
She's got to do more. you know what I mean?

1295
00:54:47.639 --> 00:54:48.780
dead behind the eyes.

1296
00:54:48.840 --> 00:54:50.340
That should be like, 0 no, there we go.

1297
00:54:50.400 --> 00:54:52.920
She's come away from the makeup shot and then she's just sort of

1298
00:54:52.920 --> 00:54:53.820
collapses inwards.

1299
00:54:54.239 --> 00:54:54.719
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1300
00:54:54.780 --> 00:54:56.519
Yeah, yeah, yeah. pain.

1301
00:54:56.880 --> 00:55:00.719
Oh, she's weeping now. sort of.

1302
00:55:00.780 --> 00:55:01.739
God.

1303
00:55:01.800 --> 00:55:03.179
Are they a mute racing?

1304
00:55:03.360 --> 00:55:04.739
Yeah.

1305
00:55:04.800 --> 00:55:05.400
Okay.

1306
00:55:05.460 --> 00:55:07.500
But I mean, that's just shit.

1307
00:55:07.559 --> 00:55:09.659
That's just, we don't want to write her down now.

1308
00:55:09.719 --> 00:55:13.500
You just wouldn't do that now if it wasn't a mute actor, which

1309
00:55:13.500 --> 00:55:13.800
is.

1310
00:55:13.920 --> 00:55:18.119
Yeah, yeah, but also you, like, then it becomes about that.

1311
00:55:18.179 --> 00:55:21.360
I mean, even in Star Trek, the Next Generation series 2, they have

1312
00:55:21.360 --> 00:55:27.420
the deaf ambassador. you know, and it becomes about communication

1313
00:55:27.420 --> 00:55:30.119
that whole story. about finding ways to communicate with one

1314
00:55:30.119 --> 00:55:30.480
another.

1315
00:55:30.539 --> 00:55:32.039
Like it's a thing.

1316
00:55:32.099 --> 00:55:33.840
She is afraid.

1317
00:55:33.900 --> 00:55:35.099
Yes, she's dying.

1318
00:55:35.159 --> 00:55:37.019
She is afraid.

1319
00:55:37.079 --> 00:55:41.460
Yeah, but she's not allowed to do that, because if she doesn't

1320
00:55:41.460 --> 00:55:44.699
save McCoy, we're not going to save her people.

1321
00:55:44.760 --> 00:55:45.900
But none of that makes any sense.

1322
00:55:46.380 --> 00:55:48.239
Why does that make sense?

1323
00:55:48.840 --> 00:55:52.500
She's doing the Tarantella or something like on the floor.

1324
00:55:52.619 --> 00:55:54.239
God, it's really bad, isn't it?

1325
00:55:55.320 --> 00:55:57.539
Please help me.

1326
00:55:57.780 --> 00:56:00.119
I deplore you.

1327
00:56:00.960 --> 00:56:04.980
Oh Oh, there we go.

1328
00:56:05.039 --> 00:56:08.400
Dr. McCoy's life is not solely dependent upon you.

1329
00:56:08.460 --> 00:56:09.059
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1330
00:56:09.119 --> 00:56:10.079
You could fix him.

1331
00:56:10.139 --> 00:56:10.980
You could do this.

1332
00:56:11.039 --> 00:56:12.659
Where's your fucking compassion?

1333
00:56:12.719 --> 00:56:15.300
Do you know any of compassion's so fucking great?

1334
00:56:15.360 --> 00:56:16.800
Why are you standing there?

1335
00:56:16.860 --> 00:56:19.380
You know, like not doing anything?

1336
00:56:19.440 --> 00:56:21.179
But none of that?

1337
00:56:21.239 --> 00:56:22.920
Like, even that doesn't make any sense?

1338
00:56:24.239 --> 00:56:26.400
There are just far.

1339
00:56:26.460 --> 00:56:30.780
There are other ways you can get people to display empathy without

1340
00:56:30.780 --> 00:56:33.000
torturing people horribly, you know?

1341
00:56:33.059 --> 00:56:34.920
It's baffling.

1342
00:56:34.980 --> 00:56:35.639
Yeah, yeah.

1343
00:56:35.699 --> 00:56:37.320
How much longer does this have to go?

1344
00:56:37.380 --> 00:56:42.840
Or put them in a situation where the pain and injury happens as

1345
00:56:42.840 --> 00:56:46.980
the result of a story and not because, you know, these dipshits

1346
00:56:46.980 --> 00:56:48.059
are doing it to them.

1347
00:56:48.719 --> 00:56:52.619
She just has no hope of giving any kind of a performance.

1348
00:56:52.619 --> 00:56:54.900
Because she hasn't made any sense.

1349
00:56:54.960 --> 00:56:58.739
No, she has no words, but nothing that happens here makes sense.

1350
00:56:59.639 --> 00:57:02.760
I'm surprised no one kissed her in the episode.

1351
00:57:02.820 --> 00:57:04.739
That's usually a given, TOS.

1352
00:57:06.000 --> 00:57:08.099
You know, it could be now.

1353
00:57:08.159 --> 00:57:10.199
Kiss me, Dr. McCoy.

1354
00:57:10.260 --> 00:57:11.519
Before I die.

1355
00:57:11.639 --> 00:57:13.380
Sacrifice myself for you.

1356
00:57:14.760 --> 00:57:16.559
Oh boy.

1357
00:57:16.739 --> 00:57:21.539
So he pushes her to the ground so that she doesn't save him.

1358
00:57:21.599 --> 00:57:24.659
Shatton is doing his best fucking...

1359
00:57:24.719 --> 00:57:27.360
She fell to the floor and did a sort of twirl around.

1360
00:57:27.420 --> 00:57:28.679
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1361
00:57:28.739 --> 00:57:30.000
Little interpretive dance well.

1362
00:57:30.059 --> 00:57:34.079
Shatner is doing some really top quality force field acting here.

1363
00:57:34.440 --> 00:57:42.119
I do like the solution and apparently, like, um, so it's a, uh

1364
00:57:42.119 --> 00:57:44.639
it's a force field that feeds off your emotions.

1365
00:57:44.639 --> 00:57:46.860
If you get emotional in it, it gets stronger.

1366
00:57:46.920 --> 00:57:51.119
And so obviously Spot can break out of it because he can control

1367
00:57:51.119 --> 00:57:51.960
his emotions.

1368
00:57:52.019 --> 00:57:55.260
And so he actually see emotion, works that way.

1369
00:57:55.320 --> 00:57:58.019
Sorry, shitty force field works that way.

1370
00:57:58.139 --> 00:58:01.619
Oh, now now Kirk's out of the force field.

1371
00:58:01.679 --> 00:58:02.400
Now what's happening?

1372
00:58:02.460 --> 00:58:03.300
They're just on the ground.

1373
00:58:03.780 --> 00:58:06.780
Don't harm the masks.

1374
00:58:06.840 --> 00:58:08.039
We haven't finished it.

1375
00:58:11.820 --> 00:58:13.440
Oh boy.

1376
00:58:13.559 --> 00:58:15.780
Four minutes, my friend. nearly over.

1377
00:58:15.840 --> 00:58:17.099
Oh my god, please.

1378
00:58:20.159 --> 00:58:22.559
Yeah, so why won't they do it?

1379
00:58:22.619 --> 00:58:23.699
Why won't they do it?

1380
00:58:23.760 --> 00:58:25.260
If compassion is so big?

1381
00:58:25.380 --> 00:58:26.820
So it's such a big deal.

1382
00:58:26.880 --> 00:58:31.139
Why do they just expect a woman to have compassion and they don't

1383
00:58:31.139 --> 00:58:31.500
have to?

1384
00:58:31.559 --> 00:58:32.699
Do you know what I mean?

1385
00:58:32.760 --> 00:58:33.719
Like, it's ridiculous.

1386
00:58:33.840 --> 00:58:35.159
No, they say, no, we're not going to help him.

1387
00:58:35.219 --> 00:58:36.840
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1388
00:58:36.900 --> 00:58:40.380
Oh, and so Spock says she offered her life, but McCoy said no.

1389
00:58:40.440 --> 00:58:43.199
And the, um, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1390
00:58:43.260 --> 00:58:47.940
Gem, oh, the right, the survival for her planet. the right for

1391
00:58:47.940 --> 00:58:48.480
that sort of thing.

1392
00:58:48.599 --> 00:58:49.920
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1393
00:58:49.980 --> 00:58:51.059
It's just like save them.

1394
00:58:51.119 --> 00:58:52.139
Don't be dickheads.

1395
00:58:52.199 --> 00:58:56.039
Like, I'm going to put you through some torture tests. and if you

1396
00:58:56.039 --> 00:58:59.280
survive or if you decide to kill yourself, I'll save everyone else

1397
00:58:59.280 --> 00:59:00.780
on your planet, what's that?

1398
00:59:00.840 --> 00:59:01.619
Don be dickheads.

1399
00:59:01.679 --> 00:59:05.159
Imagine if that was what the, uh, like what the ambulance did.

1400
00:59:05.219 --> 00:59:06.059
Do you know what I mean?

1401
00:59:06.119 --> 00:59:09.119
Like, you're having a heart attack, the ambulance stones are.

1402
00:59:09.119 --> 00:59:10.260
To me that you're worth saving.

1403
00:59:10.320 --> 00:59:11.159
Can you forget?

1404
00:59:11.340 --> 00:59:11.699
right.

1405
00:59:11.760 --> 00:59:12.599
That's it.

1406
00:59:12.719 --> 00:59:14.820
I'm going to give you the trolly problem now.

1407
00:59:14.880 --> 00:59:15.059
Right.

1408
00:59:15.119 --> 00:59:16.079
You're going down a track.

1409
00:59:16.260 --> 00:59:19.079
My heart, my heart, please.

1410
00:59:20.699 --> 00:59:23.760
Sorry, though, don't wait before they gave me the answer.

1411
00:59:24.840 --> 00:59:26.820
Jesus Christ.

1412
00:59:26.880 --> 00:59:28.380
So stupid.

1413
00:59:28.500 --> 00:59:30.119
It's terrible.

1414
00:59:30.239 --> 00:59:32.039
I can't even remember how it ends now.

1415
00:59:32.099 --> 00:59:33.179
Did they just change their minds?

1416
00:59:33.239 --> 00:59:35.880
No, they've just changed their minds now.

1417
00:59:35.940 --> 00:59:36.719
Everything's fine.

1418
00:59:36.780 --> 00:59:39.780
She's lying on the floor because that's where she has the most

1419
00:59:39.780 --> 00:59:43.739
agency just absolutely lying in the middle of the floor in this

1420
00:59:43.739 --> 00:59:44.699
scene for no reason.

1421
00:59:44.760 --> 00:59:46.920
Like he nearly treads on her.

1422
00:59:46.980 --> 00:59:48.420
So now what's happening?

1423
00:59:48.480 --> 00:59:50.579
So they saved McCoy and then what?

1424
00:59:50.639 --> 00:59:52.619
They send her back and save her people the end.

1425
00:59:52.679 --> 00:59:53.340
Apparently.

1426
00:59:53.400 --> 00:59:54.420
Yeah, okay.

1427
00:59:54.420 --> 00:59:55.500
We know nothing about.

1428
00:59:55.500 --> 00:59:57.780
No, we don't care about.

1429
00:59:57.840 --> 01:00:00.179
I mean, please.

1430
01:00:00.239 --> 01:00:04.440
Curtisman Trek is just open for us to visit that planet at some

1431
01:00:04.440 --> 01:00:07.260
point where they all nobody talks any words.

1432
01:00:07.920 --> 01:00:09.719
Interesting.

1433
01:00:09.780 --> 01:00:13.559
I love this bit where the vines just, like they just get little

1434
01:00:13.559 --> 01:00:15.900
like they just vanish into the distance and they just get

1435
01:00:15.900 --> 01:00:16.500
minuscule.

1436
01:00:16.559 --> 01:00:17.699
Whee.

1437
01:00:17.699 --> 01:00:20.820
Oh, and they do a pull back on the actors.

1438
01:00:20.880 --> 01:00:25.019
Yeah, yeah, that long shot of them from, you know, from high up is

1439
01:00:25.019 --> 01:00:25.199
great.

1440
01:00:25.260 --> 01:00:27.119
Now here we are for the crap joke.

1441
01:00:27.179 --> 01:00:29.039
The set went back further than our thought.

1442
01:00:29.099 --> 01:00:30.599
I told you they were.

1443
01:00:30.659 --> 01:00:31.739
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1444
01:00:31.800 --> 01:00:32.820
I thought it was really good.

1445
01:00:32.880 --> 01:00:37.380
Obviously, the radiation on the Ritter scale has been gone now.

1446
01:00:37.500 --> 01:00:38.039
Calm down now.

1447
01:00:38.099 --> 01:00:38.760
Yeah, yeah.

1448
01:00:38.820 --> 01:00:39.360
Yeah.

1449
01:00:39.420 --> 01:00:40.980
The John Ritter scale it is.

1450
01:00:41.039 --> 01:00:43.019
I'm not puzzled with Spuck.

1451
01:00:43.079 --> 01:00:43.739
I'm awed.

1452
01:00:43.800 --> 01:00:45.539
Oh my god.

1453
01:00:45.599 --> 01:00:47.519
I'm with you, Captain.

1454
01:00:47.639 --> 01:00:48.659
She awed me.

1455
01:00:48.719 --> 01:00:49.739
Yeah, I bet she did.

1456
01:00:51.719 --> 01:00:53.639
Fuck you.

1457
01:00:54.059 --> 01:00:57.480
I just didn't even know what this scene is about.

1458
01:00:57.539 --> 01:01:00.599
And like then they're bitchy to Spock for no reason and then

1459
01:01:00.599 --> 01:01:02.340
Spock's kind of snarky back to them.

1460
01:01:03.119 --> 01:01:07.739
Scotty creating the Bible here for no reason. he wasn't even

1461
01:01:07.739 --> 01:01:08.400
fucking there.

1462
01:01:08.460 --> 01:01:11.699
Don't you know the story of the merchant, which is in the Bible

1463
01:01:11.699 --> 01:01:12.960
but we're not going to mention that.

1464
01:01:12.960 --> 01:01:16.260
It's just a story about the merchant, and it's a really boring

1465
01:01:16.260 --> 01:01:16.739
story.

1466
01:01:16.800 --> 01:01:18.300
He found a pearl.

1467
01:01:18.360 --> 01:01:19.739
He thought it was really good.

1468
01:01:19.800 --> 01:01:23.099
So he sold everything that he had, and then he bought the pearl.

1469
01:01:23.159 --> 01:01:26.760
That's the story. and it's like not really a story, is it?

1470
01:01:26.820 --> 01:01:28.380
Fuck has that got to do with any of this?

1471
01:01:28.440 --> 01:01:29.760
That's what I was saying.

1472
01:01:29.760 --> 01:01:31.199
She's the pearl of great price.

1473
01:01:31.260 --> 01:01:33.420
That's why, anyway, I don't care.

1474
01:01:33.480 --> 01:01:38.099
It's so stupid Oh, and was a good old-fashioned emotion that they

1475
01:01:38.099 --> 01:01:39.719
valued the most, like, what's this?

1476
01:01:39.840 --> 01:01:42.840
and oh, now let's make fun of Spock for not having emotions.

1477
01:01:42.900 --> 01:01:47.460
Let's all 3 of some mediocre white men gang out about this.

1478
01:01:47.519 --> 01:01:49.139
Yeah.

1479
01:01:49.139 --> 01:01:51.480
Could you be prevailed upon to bring them the news?

1480
01:01:52.860 --> 01:01:56.219
And then he says, oh, I'll give it all the consideration it's due

1481
01:01:56.219 --> 01:01:58.320
you hairy, smelly dipshit.

1482
01:01:58.380 --> 01:02:00.599
You should just give him the fingers swarms off.

1483
01:02:00.659 --> 01:02:01.679
Yeah, that's right.

1484
01:02:01.739 --> 01:02:03.360
Fuck you, guys.

1485
01:02:03.360 --> 01:02:05.460
Produced by Freddie Freiberg.

1486
01:02:05.519 --> 01:02:06.900
Thanks, Freddie.

1487
01:02:06.960 --> 01:02:08.940
They didn't even do the laugh.

1488
01:02:09.000 --> 01:02:10.139
Look, they're so half-hearted.

1489
01:02:10.199 --> 01:02:15.059
They sort of just smirk. that's so bad Oh, dear my God.

1490
01:02:15.059 --> 01:02:15.719
Okay.

1491
01:02:15.780 --> 01:02:16.619
Do you know what?

1492
01:02:16.679 --> 01:02:18.480
On reflection, it's really shit.

1493
01:02:19.860 --> 01:02:22.440
That's really shocking.

1494
01:02:22.500 --> 01:02:25.559
I mean, it's a thing that we've said before, isn't it?

1495
01:02:25.619 --> 01:02:28.079
Like, sometimes when you tune into TOS.

1496
01:02:28.139 --> 01:02:32.340
It's astoundingly brilliant, like extraordinary stuff.

1497
01:02:32.340 --> 01:02:34.320
Really, really brilliant.

1498
01:02:34.380 --> 01:02:35.940
Yeah, yeah, amazing.

1499
01:02:36.000 --> 01:02:38.940
And then sometimes it's like it's been written by people who've

1500
01:02:38.940 --> 01:02:43.079
never seen television before or kind of, you know, like don't know

1501
01:02:43.079 --> 01:02:45.659
how drama works in any way.

1502
01:02:45.719 --> 01:02:50.159
And like that was baffling, like just bafflingly terrible.

1503
01:02:50.280 --> 01:02:54.480
And just a complete failure to give a shit about what's going on

1504
01:02:54.480 --> 01:02:55.440
in the script.

1505
01:02:55.500 --> 01:02:57.480
It's outrageously bad.

1506
01:02:57.539 --> 01:02:58.800
Like just terrible.

1507
01:02:58.860 --> 01:03:01.260
You know, Freiburger did the last pass on the script.

1508
01:03:01.320 --> 01:03:03.780
I wonder if he came in and said, you know, all that dialogue

1509
01:03:03.780 --> 01:03:05.280
you've given that woman. cut it.

1510
01:03:05.340 --> 01:03:09.420
You know, like, We're not giving lines to women.

1511
01:03:09.480 --> 01:03:11.579
She can just emote all over the screen.

1512
01:03:11.639 --> 01:03:14.519
Yeah, it is a bit confusing.

1513
01:03:14.579 --> 01:03:17.940
Why do you think then that all of those people that love it?

1514
01:03:18.000 --> 01:03:18.960
Love it.

1515
01:03:19.019 --> 01:03:22.019
Do you think they think they're reading stuff into it that we're

1516
01:03:22.019 --> 01:03:22.380
not seeing?

1517
01:03:22.440 --> 01:03:26.159
They are reading stuff into it, and I think that you can construct

1518
01:03:26.159 --> 01:03:29.340
an episode that is doing something.

1519
01:03:29.400 --> 01:03:33.780
But, you know, it's that made up on the spot kind of quality that

1520
01:03:33.780 --> 01:03:38.699
it has where most of the episode doesn't contribute to any of that

1521
01:03:38.699 --> 01:03:39.239
at all.

1522
01:03:39.239 --> 01:03:42.599
And the stuff about compassion and empathy, even though it's in

1523
01:03:42.599 --> 01:03:46.440
the title really only kind of occurs in the last 15 minutes or

1524
01:03:46.440 --> 01:03:46.800
so.

1525
01:03:46.860 --> 01:03:51.840
And it just has all of the kind of Star Trek, like you have to

1526
01:03:51.840 --> 01:03:57.059
kind of admit that those Star Trek tropes are a bit shitty and a

1527
01:03:57.059 --> 01:04:00.780
bit half-assed, you know, just the number of episodes that involve

1528
01:04:00.780 --> 01:04:07.139
an omnipotent alien entity testing in some way because that turns

1529
01:04:07.139 --> 01:04:09.059
out that that's just incredibly lazy.

1530
01:04:09.179 --> 01:04:13.619
Like try and think of a thing that happens, a situation that

1531
01:04:13.619 --> 01:04:16.260
occurs, that tests our character.

1532
01:04:16.320 --> 01:04:17.699
That's interesting.

1533
01:04:17.760 --> 01:04:21.179
But just having bum headed aliens kind of declare that they're

1534
01:04:21.179 --> 01:04:23.579
doing it, that's super boring and bad.

1535
01:04:23.639 --> 01:04:26.400
And like I said, within the episode itself.

1536
01:04:26.460 --> 01:04:32.880
There was the possibility for those 3 intelligent characters to

1537
01:04:32.880 --> 01:04:37.380
figure out what this fucking episode was about without the bum

1538
01:04:36.420 --> 01:04:40.920
headed aliens, you know, 10 minutes before the end, half

1539
01:04:39.539 --> 01:04:40.920
heartedly.

1540
01:04:40.980 --> 01:04:42.119
They're not even that bothered.

1541
01:04:42.179 --> 01:04:43.679
It's not even packaged as a twist.

1542
01:04:43.739 --> 01:04:46.980
It's just them going, this is what this has all been about, Captain

1543
01:04:46.980 --> 01:04:47.639
Kirk.

1544
01:04:47.699 --> 01:04:48.659
Not about you at all.

1545
01:04:48.719 --> 01:04:51.420
You know, you could have had a great, It's not about us.

1546
01:04:51.539 --> 01:04:55.260
It's about her, you know, like, this crash zoom on Captain.

1547
01:04:55.320 --> 01:04:56.039
I know, just something.

1548
01:04:56.159 --> 01:04:58.380
Some kind of progression of a plot.

1549
01:04:58.440 --> 01:05:03.300
I certainly think just the massive laziness of the discovery that

1550
01:05:03.300 --> 01:05:06.840
at the end, they already knew that there were lots of inhabited

1551
01:05:06.840 --> 01:05:10.380
planets that were under threat here, but no one thought to mention

1552
01:05:10.380 --> 01:05:14.519
it to us, the audience earlier on, and that changes the whole

1553
01:05:14.519 --> 01:05:17.940
situation and changes like how does this mission make sense in

1554
01:05:17.940 --> 01:05:19.139
these circumstances?

1555
01:05:19.199 --> 01:05:20.340
Do you know what I mean?

1556
01:05:20.400 --> 01:05:24.480
Why do we have no compassion or worry about saving these people?

1557
01:05:24.599 --> 01:05:26.519
Like, there's just nothing there.

1558
01:05:26.579 --> 01:05:30.780
It's like a murder mystery where the killer is revealed to be

1559
01:05:30.780 --> 01:05:34.260
somebody we've never met before and hasn't been referenced in the

1560
01:05:34.260 --> 01:05:36.840
story and we're supposed to go, wow, God, really?

1561
01:05:36.900 --> 01:05:39.360
That's what a twist. amazing.

1562
01:05:39.420 --> 01:05:43.920
Like I said, they made this shit up on the day on the same.

1563
01:05:44.039 --> 01:05:44.460
Yeah.

1564
01:06:38.519 --> 01:06:41.460
All right, it's the end of the episode, and it's time for us to

1565
01:06:41.460 --> 01:06:42.840
find out where we're going next.

1566
01:06:42.900 --> 01:06:48.900
I chose the empath this time, and so that means it's your turn.

1567
01:06:48.960 --> 01:06:51.360
Joe, to choose from some other series.

1568
01:06:51.420 --> 01:06:53.280
Tell us what we're in for.

1569
01:06:53.639 --> 01:06:56.519
Well, I've got a bit of surprise for.

1570
01:06:56.639 --> 01:06:59.519
Because, you know, we sort of determined.

1571
01:06:59.579 --> 01:07:03.900
Perhaps it would be fun to do TOS to TAS.

1572
01:07:04.019 --> 01:07:05.039
Oh, okay.

1573
01:07:05.039 --> 01:07:08.639
But actually, I've decided, no, we're not going to do the animated

1574
01:07:08.639 --> 01:07:09.239
series.

1575
01:07:10.139 --> 01:07:14.579
I can't handle that much shit from the 60s straight 70s.

1576
01:07:14.639 --> 01:07:18.119
So instead, we're going to skip across to the other, our favourite

1577
01:07:18.119 --> 01:07:21.059
animated series, Star Trek Lower Decks.

1578
01:07:21.119 --> 01:07:22.500
Brilliant. excellent.

1579
01:07:22.559 --> 01:07:23.099
Let's do that.

1580
01:07:23.159 --> 01:07:26.940
Where we can be guaranteed a good time. absolutely.

1581
01:07:27.059 --> 01:07:29.639
Here I go.

1582
01:07:29.699 --> 01:07:31.800
It's season five.

1583
01:07:32.039 --> 01:07:35.699
Yes, I haven't I haven't watched any of season five.

1584
01:07:35.760 --> 01:07:40.920
Season five, episode seven, fully dilated.

1585
01:07:40.980 --> 01:07:44.400
Oh, this is really good.

1586
01:07:44.460 --> 01:07:46.260
It's really good.

1587
01:07:46.320 --> 01:07:47.579
I really like this one.

1588
01:07:47.639 --> 01:07:49.019
It's very strange.

1589
01:07:49.079 --> 01:07:54.780
Um, so they they go down to a planet where time passes much more

1590
01:07:54.780 --> 01:07:56.099
slowly for them.

1591
01:07:56.159 --> 01:08:01.559
And I think, I think there's a plot where Tendi and Talin are

1592
01:08:01.559 --> 01:08:03.179
having some kind of competition.

1593
01:08:03.239 --> 01:08:06.539
Like they're being competitive about who gets to be sort of a

1594
01:08:06.539 --> 01:08:09.059
chief science officer and stuff.

1595
01:08:09.119 --> 01:08:11.340
Um, is there's a senior science officer thing.

1596
01:08:11.340 --> 01:08:15.599
And so Tendian Talina kind of competing with one another, and

1597
01:08:15.599 --> 01:08:18.300
Tendi's kind of losing her shit a little bit, which is the thing

1598
01:08:18.300 --> 01:08:19.199
that Tandy does.

1599
01:08:19.260 --> 01:08:22.319
So it's Tandy Mariner and Talin, and they're down on this planet

1600
01:08:22.319 --> 01:08:26.760
and the planet is very kind of like a kind of farm planet or

1601
01:08:26.760 --> 01:08:31.260
whatever, and a huge amount of time passes down on the planet

1602
01:08:31.260 --> 01:08:35.939
while they're all up on the Cerritos, kind of waiting for them to

1603
01:08:35.939 --> 01:08:37.619
you know, try and get them back or whatever.

1604
01:08:37.680 --> 01:08:39.180
I can't remember the details.

1605
01:08:39.239 --> 01:08:40.859
I've only seen it once, but I did enjoy it.

1606
01:08:40.979 --> 01:08:43.680
Sounds like blink of an eye from Voyager.

1607
01:08:43.739 --> 01:08:45.720
Yeah, yeah, a little bit like Blink of an eye.

1608
01:08:45.779 --> 01:08:48.119
It's a similar kind of premise.

1609
01:08:48.180 --> 01:08:52.140
I'm sure it'll be blink of an eye, but with emotional consequences

1610
01:08:52.140 --> 01:08:53.699
for the characters involved.

1611
01:08:53.760 --> 01:08:54.600
Yeah, yeah.

1612
01:08:54.600 --> 01:08:55.859
That sounds what?

1613
01:08:55.920 --> 01:08:56.579
do you know what?

1614
01:08:56.640 --> 01:09:00.060
I mean, I haven't touched season 5 at all. and I'm really

1615
01:09:00.060 --> 01:09:01.500
intrigued to see what they do there.

1616
01:09:01.560 --> 01:09:03.300
Yeah, let's do it.

1617
01:09:03.359 --> 01:09:03.960
Brilliant.

1618
01:09:11.399 --> 01:09:15.539
You've been listening to untitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford

1619
01:09:15.539 --> 01:09:20.039
and Nathan Bottomley, where online at Untitled Star Trek Project

1620
01:09:19.079 --> 01:09:22.859
com, where you can find subscription links and links to our social

1621
01:09:22.859 --> 01:09:23.640
media accounts.

1622
01:09:23.699 --> 01:09:27.779
Now, podcast artworkers by Kayla Ciceran, and the theme was

1623
01:09:27.779 --> 01:09:29.579
composed by Cameron Lamb.

1624
01:09:29.640 --> 01:09:34.439
This episode was recorded on the 6th of May 2025 and released on

1625
01:09:34.439 --> 01:09:35.399
the 9th of May.

1626
01:09:35.460 --> 01:09:39.539
We'll see you next time for Star Trek Lower Decks, fully dilated.

1627
01:09:55.920 --> 01:09:58.079
Well, first time out the bag.

1628
01:09:58.140 --> 01:09:59.640
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1629
01:09:59.699 --> 01:10:00.420
Yeah.

1630
01:10:00.479 --> 01:10:01.680
That's really fun.

1631
01:10:01.739 --> 01:10:04.140
There's some really great ones like towards the end.

1632
01:10:04.199 --> 01:10:06.119
Oh, no, look what the 2nd one would have been.

1633
01:10:06.180 --> 01:10:07.260
Keshon.

1634
01:10:07.319 --> 01:10:08.100
His eyes open.

1635
01:10:08.159 --> 01:10:10.020
I'm serious too.

1636
01:10:10.020 --> 01:10:13.260
Because they should do about Boimler.

1637
01:10:13.319 --> 01:10:14.760
Oh my god, these titles are great.

1638
01:10:14.819 --> 01:10:17.520
The next one after that is upper decks.

1639
01:10:21.060 --> 01:10:22.859
It's just come up.

1640
01:10:22.920 --> 01:10:24.180
I'm pressing the bar.

1641
01:10:24.239 --> 01:10:24.779
Let's just come up.

1642
01:10:24.840 --> 01:10:28.619
So Arpadex is the episode where we get to see what the show looks

1643
01:10:28.619 --> 01:10:32.100
like from the point of view of the characters on the bridge.

1644
01:10:32.159 --> 01:10:37.439
And because, you know, lower decks is what happens to the lower

1645
01:10:37.439 --> 01:10:41.939
deck is in a series where we normally follow the senior staff.

1646
01:10:42.000 --> 01:10:46.439
And so it's all about Shacks and Taana and, uh, you know, Freeman

1647
01:10:46.439 --> 01:10:49.140
and Ransom and who else?

1648
01:10:49.199 --> 01:10:51.899
I can't remember Miglimo probably.

1649
01:10:52.800 --> 01:10:54.659
Yeah, yeah.

1650
01:10:54.720 --> 01:10:56.100
I've just pressed it again.

1651
01:10:56.159 --> 01:10:58.619
I cannot believe the nerve, some of these titles.

1652
01:10:58.859 --> 01:11:02.460
The best exotic Nanite hotel.

1653
01:11:03.000 --> 01:11:04.859
Silly, yeah.

1654
01:11:05.699 --> 01:11:08.640
Oh, look, it's one about Troy, look.

1655
01:11:08.699 --> 01:11:10.500
Empathological fallacies.

1656
01:11:10.560 --> 01:11:14.100
Oh, no, that's the one where the, is that the one where the, um

1657
01:11:14.100 --> 01:11:18.539
all of the, it's like, it's like a bunch of women, it's like the

1658
01:11:18.539 --> 01:11:21.659
women from Sex in the City come on board the sheep and they're all

1659
01:11:21.659 --> 01:11:24.239
but they're all kind of, um, it's not literally the women, but

1660
01:11:24.239 --> 01:11:26.460
they're like that and they all come on board and they're all

1661
01:11:26.460 --> 01:11:30.479
betazoids and everyone goes crazy and Talin assumes it's her

1662
01:11:30.479 --> 01:11:34.319
because she's got, you know, Bendy syndrome or whatever the hell.

1663
01:11:34.439 --> 01:11:37.859
What's the thing that what's the thing that Sarat gets and she

1664
01:11:37.859 --> 01:11:39.600
thinks that she's sending everyone mad?

1665
01:11:39.659 --> 01:11:43.020
It's the um, it's the betasaur. what's this one called?

1666
01:11:43.079 --> 01:11:47.579
The next one is called The Inner Fight.

1667
01:11:47.640 --> 01:11:49.079
Fuck sake.

1668
01:11:50.460 --> 01:11:52.140
Oh my god.

1669
01:11:52.199 --> 01:11:54.000
There's one called Moist Vessel.

1670
01:11:54.060 --> 01:11:56.340
Oh, that's a great episode.

1671
01:11:57.359 --> 01:11:59.460
That's a really good one.

1672
01:12:00.359 --> 01:12:01.979
Here we go.

1673
01:12:02.039 --> 01:12:04.500
You remember while we were complaining the other day that the

1674
01:12:04.500 --> 01:12:05.880
Enterprise, you know, Countdown.

1675
01:12:05.939 --> 01:12:06.720
It was all very boring.

1676
01:12:06.840 --> 01:12:09.060
Of gods and angles.

1677
01:12:09.119 --> 01:12:10.439
That's great.

1678
01:12:10.500 --> 01:12:12.420
That's series 4, isn't it?

1679
01:12:12.479 --> 01:12:16.079
Oh, there's one on the ship because there's a god on the ship.

1680
01:12:16.140 --> 01:12:20.159
And I think it's the god from the who mourns from Adonis episode

1681
01:12:20.159 --> 01:12:20.460
actually.

1682
01:12:20.520 --> 01:12:23.460
Like, it's a... one that's just called caves.

1683
01:12:23.520 --> 01:12:25.979
Is it all about stock cave set number 52.

1684
01:12:26.100 --> 01:12:26.880
It's good.

1685
01:12:27.000 --> 01:12:27.960
It's so good.

1686
01:12:28.020 --> 01:12:29.819
Do you remember the episode?

1687
01:12:29.880 --> 01:12:33.420
Do you remember the episode with the shape shifting guy who was an

1688
01:12:33.420 --> 01:12:34.140
octopus?

1689
01:12:34.199 --> 01:12:36.359
The, the, um...

1690
01:12:36.359 --> 01:12:42.359
It's the, the animated series episode where it turns out that this

1691
01:12:42.359 --> 01:12:47.039
person is actually really just a sort of orange octopus that can

1692
01:12:47.039 --> 01:12:50.699
do shape shifting and so the case...

1693
01:12:51.359 --> 01:12:54.239
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, let me just...

1694
01:12:54.300 --> 01:12:55.619
You think I would remember that, wouldn't you?

1695
01:12:56.159 --> 01:12:58.319
No, we definitely did it.

1696
01:12:59.399 --> 01:13:03.539
Untitled Star Trek Project slash T-AS.

1697
01:13:04.500 --> 01:13:07.439
The more I press the spot, the more I'm laughing.

1698
01:13:07.500 --> 01:13:11.880
So it's called the survivor, and it's a shapeshifting red

1699
01:13:11.880 --> 01:13:12.899
octopus.

1700
01:13:13.380 --> 01:13:15.420
Here's what I wrote.

1701
01:13:15.479 --> 01:13:18.659
This week, crudely drawn, slow moving simulator of the Enterprise

1702
01:13:18.659 --> 01:13:23.279
crew interact listlessly in a crudely drawn, slow moving simulator

1703
01:13:23.279 --> 01:13:27.420
of Star Trek, except for the shapeshifting red octopus, which is

1704
01:13:27.420 --> 01:13:28.319
awesome.

1705
01:13:28.380 --> 01:13:33.479
Meanwhile, Joe drops £2 50 renting a Star Trek episode whose

1706
01:13:33.479 --> 01:13:35.399
budget was nearly 10 times that.

1707
01:13:35.399 --> 01:13:42.960
But this is, honey, you're not going to be able to see it.

1708
01:13:43.020 --> 01:13:46.020
But it's like a person who survived a thing, but it turns out

1709
01:13:46.020 --> 01:13:47.579
they're shapeshifting octopus.

1710
01:13:47.640 --> 01:13:51.840
Caves is this thing that is run by shapeshifting octopuses of that

1711
01:13:51.840 --> 01:13:52.140
kind.

1712
01:13:52.140 --> 01:13:53.340
They're all in it.

1713
01:13:53.399 --> 01:13:57.899
And everyone tells these stories about being in caves in Stockcave

1714
01:13:57.899 --> 01:14:02.039
Set one, and they're all set in redressed versions of the cave set

1715
01:14:02.039 --> 01:14:05.159
but in the meantime, it's all a big test being run by the octopus

1716
01:14:05.159 --> 01:14:06.960
is also in a set of caves.

1717
01:14:07.020 --> 01:14:10.979
It's really, really clever and really kind of odd and inventive.

1718
01:14:11.039 --> 01:14:12.659
It's like formally very strange.

1719
01:14:12.720 --> 01:14:13.619
I really liked it.

1720
01:14:13.680 --> 01:14:15.779
I wonder we love lower decks so much.

1721
01:14:15.840 --> 01:14:19.380
They're just absolutely in tune with all the things we mock when

1722
01:14:19.380 --> 01:14:21.180
we watch not these drag, aren't they?

1723
01:14:21.300 --> 01:14:24.119
I think that's the title...

1724
01:14:24.119 --> 01:14:27.600
It's called Starbase 80, question mark, exclamation mark.

1725
01:14:27.720 --> 01:14:30.600
I don't know why it's got all the punctuation at the end.

1726
01:14:30.659 --> 01:14:34.859
So Starbase 80 is a bad episode is like the bad place and it's

1727
01:14:34.859 --> 01:14:40.500
where it's where Mariner gets sent when she, like there's an

1728
01:14:40.500 --> 01:14:43.920
episode where she gets kicked off the ship and reassigned to

1729
01:14:43.920 --> 01:14:48.119
Starbase 80 and it's awful in Starbase 80.

1730
01:14:48.239 --> 01:14:51.479
And in fact, Starbase 80 becomes important at the end of series 5

1731
01:14:51.479 --> 01:14:58.260
and that's where um, uh, Carol and her husband end up being

1732
01:14:58.260 --> 01:15:01.560
stationed, it kind of becomes the new Deep Space 9 in the final

1733
01:15:01.560 --> 01:15:03.420
episode is Starbase 80.

1734
01:15:03.600 --> 01:15:04.140
It's very cool.

1735
01:15:04.199 --> 01:15:05.399
Yeah, it's a running thing.

1736
01:15:05.399 --> 01:15:06.659
An embarrassment of duples.

1737
01:15:06.720 --> 01:15:08.460
That's another great title. episode.

1738
01:15:08.520 --> 01:15:09.659
You remember that episode?

1739
01:15:09.720 --> 01:15:13.500
Oh, no, look, they're taking a piss out of a call to arms.

1740
01:15:13.560 --> 01:15:14.819
A farewell to farms.

1741
01:15:14.880 --> 01:15:15.779
Yeah, yeah.

1742
01:15:16.020 --> 01:15:19.380
Well, there's a thing called a farewell to arms as well.

1743
01:15:20.340 --> 01:15:22.380
Strange energies.

1744
01:15:22.439 --> 01:15:24.960
I mean, that could be any Star Trek episode, couldn't it?

1745
01:15:25.020 --> 01:15:30.960
I still think we'll always have Tom Paris, I think, is absolute

1746
01:15:30.960 --> 01:15:31.560
genius.

1747
01:15:31.619 --> 01:15:34.199
Two Vix is pretty great as well.

1748
01:15:34.260 --> 01:15:34.979
Yeah, yeah, yeah.