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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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We are back aboard the original Enterprise.

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It's Star Trek, the original series, in its celebrated 3rd and final series, Celebrated, yes. celebrate it.

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And it's series 3, episode 12, the end path, which 1st screened on the 6th of December, 1968.

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So about 6 months before I enter our story.

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This is a controversial episode, I think, because some people think it's good, but people who can tell whether a TV show is good or not think it's really terrible.

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Oh my god, this is awesome.

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Are you talking about you now?

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So, I think up to this point, we have done some bad Star Trek episodes and things like wolf in the fold, which I thought was like stupid and ridiculous for all.

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Oh, visually fun, wasn't it?

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Or the foggy streets and that?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And Spock's brain is obviously terrible.

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And...

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Gods destroy.

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It was also really quite marvellous.

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It did have an exploding green woman in it, which was pretty great.

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But I actually think that this is the worst episode that we have covered to date.

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Of all of untold.

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Star Trek project.

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Well, the worst episode of the original series that we've covered, I think.

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It's up there with episodes like Justice and Manhunt, isn't it?

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Well, I actually think it's worse than those in some ways.

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Manhunt, perhaps it has something sort of in common with, in that there's an overwhelming sense in manhunt, that we're filling the screen with things that happen so that we all stay alive to the point where the closing credits roll. there's a real sense of that here.

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There's a sense that we don't have a story, actually.

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And what we have instead is some aliens who are subbing in for a scriptwriter with no particular ideas for a story.

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And they just do things to our characters for a while, until Kirk complains about it quite a lot, and then they stop, and then we have a scene back on board the Enterprise, and then we all get on with our lives.

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And if they're trying to make a point about compassion, which I think they are, they really needed, what they needed to do was write a story in which the characters were called upon to show compassion to each other or do something like that.

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Not just for what they do. horribly until they show some kind of an emotion about it. they just put them in this sort of black void and then just do random things to each other.

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Nothing is set up.

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Everyone talks like space people.

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They have the most low rent omnipotent godlike aliens.

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They're like the people who didn't make it past the 1st casting call for the cage. did make it into Star Trek discovery.

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They're like, they're like the bumheaded aliens from the cage only, they took up smoking at the age of 14.

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I think, is what they look like.

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This horrible makeup around their mouth. makes them look really horrible.

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But it's just like, I just don't know what, like, this is very like.

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And I predicted that this episode was going to be like this.

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If you go back and listen to the end of the previous episode that we did.

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I say, see, the trouble is that I could theorise about what this is going to be like, and given that it's in series three, it might be just one of the ones where we stand around while powerful aliens kind of torment everyone until we get sick of it and then leave.

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And that's what it is.

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It's like whom God's destroy, which is terrible.

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Like a terrible hour of television, not very entertaining at all, but vastly more entertaining than this, I think, because there's sort of campness and nonsense going on and people in costumes and all sorts of things happening.

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But there's an overwhelming sense of like no particular story or plot going on and it's just doing things to eat up running time.

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And I really feel that here.

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And that's without even addressing the sort of weird misogyny of having a mute woman who is supposed to sacrifice her life for the sake of someone that she's only just met.

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Otherwise will allow her planet to be destroyed and her race to go extinct.

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And like all of that is supposed to be, like, I don't even know how to feel about that.

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What is that?

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You know?

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So, so I just think the whole thing is there's just nothing to this.

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Like, there's just nothing to it.

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There's no story, there's no plot, and it's boring looking, um, and just not very entertaining.

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Am I am I being unfair, Joe?

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This is the question.

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I don't think I hated it quite as much as you did.

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I mean, I was reasonably entertained watching this episode.

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I was considering coming onto this podcast and just reacting to you in a series of mute expressions, you know, sort of pretty person, just reacting to the things that you're saying.

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Yeah, but then I realised that no one would hear my voice and wow.

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If you'd have told me that Shatner and Nemoy and Deforest Kelly came on the set today and they said, sorry, guys, we haven't got a script, okay?

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And we've only got this black room with these few bits of technology lying around and the stock planet set from last week, all right?

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Now, just have a think about the episodes we've done so far.

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And will you just cobble something together?

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We got these sort of bum-headed aliens. over here in stock from the pilot we never did.

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And they're like, oh, God, all right, what can we do?

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You know, okay, can you give us one woman?

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Just one pretty woman?

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Yeah, that's one.

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We won't even give her any lines, you know.

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She can just react to whilst doing manly things.

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And then they go, right, okay, fine.

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We'll be tortured in various horrible ways, and then at the end, we'll sort of suggest that it was all in the cause of some great humanitarian thing, and then we'll go back to the ship at the end.

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Because, yeah, you're right.

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There isn't a narrative here.

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There isn't a plot.

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There isn't any kind of, but what there is, and this out which is this a bit for me, is I did like the byplay between the trio of Kirk Spock and McCoy.

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And like the moments where I was sort of reading reviews on this.

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I read Jammer's review, which was very complimentary about this.

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A little money goes a long ways.

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And his reviews were lit.

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This is what made me realise how divisive this was.

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It was like people going, no, you're fucking mad.

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This is a 0 stars and the most tedious thing I've ever watched.

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And then other people going, I actually really like seeing, you know, the command structure, how much they care about each other, how much they're willing to sacrifice each other.

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And they were sort of leaning is that some people really liked, I thought this poor actress wasn't given any lines, but was sort of emoting through expression, you know, and seeing sort of visual poetry as she's expressing the pain and the regret and all of this, you know, um, and it really was.

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It was just like a tame 2 half. those reviews where people were saying I loved it and I hated it.

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I didn't love it.

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But I think we have done worse.

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I've been more bored than this.

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And this is a, in the 1st half, I was like, okay, fine, they're going to be tortured, like there's a bit where Captain Kirk is strung up right, obviously with his shirt off.

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And I was going, oh, come on, that is clearly not shat.

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Look at the muscles in his back.

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And then it got sort of off. front.

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Well, then it comes to the front and he's got quite a good body, though.

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Like, I was like, yeah.

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But that's not his back.

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No I know.

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They brought in like Arnold Schwarzenegger for the backshot and then it comes down.

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I remember thinking the decision to have Shatner tortured with his shirt off and the decision to have Dee tortured with his shirt on were both fine decisions. like really very good.

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I mean, when he's tortured, I was regent.

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They put him in one of the old costumes from series one and 2 because I had to tear it up, you know. saw a little bit of his tongue, but that's about it.

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No, but the 1st half of the episode, I was on board.

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And then in the 2nd half, it was just the same stuff going on again and again, until the moral of the story hits and doesn't land.

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And you're right.

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And then it's just the usual shit joke at the end and off we go.

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What the hell is the point of all of that?

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In fact, like all of the stuff about saving her race and stuff is all just said to us.

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There's no setup at all.

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There's no indication that this, like, we kind of learn that there are lots of planets or lots of civilisations or something in this system, but it's never mentioned before the bumheaded aliens kind of bring it up, and then they say that we can only save one race, but it's not very clear whether that's one race not including their own.

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And kind of like at this point I just lost consciousness.

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There's so many aliens as well, I want to just take humanity and just put them into sort of weird little games, isn't there?

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Well, there's a lot of aliens that want to do that sort of thing.

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But I mean, in a sense, what it is, and like, I really, really think that the 2 aliens really stand for a scriptwriter who has no ideas.

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And so how about this?

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Yeah.

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No, they say, oh, we'll torture him, and then we'll see how she reacts to that, and then, you know, then we'll torture the other one, and we'll give these people a choice, and we'll do all of this.

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But that's what the story should be doing.

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Like, just having some guys with bum heads, doing it to them all for no reason.

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Like put them in a situation that's real and get them to sacrifice for one another and all of that sort of thing.

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That's all great.

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That's all good stuff.

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But instead you just don't have a set.

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You don't have a script and you just kind of all this crap happens for like 50 minutes.

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I'm literally going to see them now as the 2 script writers, you know, like, and you will find out why we're torturing. you written it yet?

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Have you written it?

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No.

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Oh shit.

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Torture him some more.

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Yeah, buy him sometime.

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You'll find out by the end.

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Oh, blessing hell.

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I did say that I would, of course, provide what's the lady's name, Jim, with some sort of subtitles, oral subtitles as we go from the episode.

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Yeah, just otherwise, we're going to do a lot of things of us going, oh, what's going on now?

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What is she thinking?

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I've said nearly all I have to say.

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We've got 50 minutes now.

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I did say today from before we came on, usually, you know, in the 60s, we've got these lovely pop art sets that we can compliment and the lighting of things, but unfortunately, it's just a black room.

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And, you know, last week was mostly set in a dark room as well.

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Well, we did the drum head.

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Welds apart.

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All right.

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I think we better go here.

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I really think we better come in before I fall asleep.

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We've flown our loads.

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Oh, no, that's right.

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That's right.

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All right.

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I will count us in.

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Can I just say, before we go in, the byline for season 3 on Amazon Prime, right?

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I feel as if they're being a bit sassy about the quality of the season. okay?

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So Star Trek original remastered season three.

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The year is 2268.

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It's not gonna be a good year for Captain James T. Kirk.

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And that's all with it.

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Can't say they didn't warn you.

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Okay, let's watch these bum heads.

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Oh my god.

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All right.

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I'll count this in Five, four, three, two, one, and we're off.

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We've literally got nothing to say that. for 50 minutes.

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That's it.

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We just lapse into silence.

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Well, I think you could do some expressions and stuff.

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Why not?

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What do you think of that?

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That egg shaped thing there, you know, with the staircase that goes downstairs into the planet.

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Yeah, it's something.

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It's a thing.

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I sort of thought it was cute.

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It's not something that we're used to.

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I mean, this is a very, very familiar set.

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Um, And like, I think it's okay, you know, it's all right. looks like a building.

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It does, every time I look at those old sets, like, you know, with the sort of lit up backdrops.

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I always think to myself, I can't believe they did that again in 87 when TNG came along.

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I can't believe they copied that.

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They only really do it in that 1st year, don't they?

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Now, poor old Leonard seems to have a terrible cold here.

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No one mentions it on memory alpha, but he really has a terrible cold.

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It does take him like this light of time. like where he says, hmm, dust.

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Apparently, these instruments haven't been recently used.

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You go, wow, that deduction.

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That's really amazing.

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Thank you.

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I mean, there's cobwebs, there's cobwebs.

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It's like a horror set, you know?

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What is this?

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Oh, so a gigantic solar flare is emitting a radiation, which means the enterprise has to back off, but their stadium.

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They're all right where they are under the planet.

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Yeah, yeah, because the atmosphere will protect them from the solar flare.

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This is a very oddly shot scene, isn't it?

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The scene on the bridge when we're talking to Scotty and there's a big white guy in the foreground who's just pressing buttons and kind of like, why are you so big in this shot?

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You're just looking...

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He's an executive that was visiting the set and said, can I just put on one of the costumes and be in the show, please?

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Plays put it in front of the centre.

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He is our chief financier, all right?

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Oh, now, this, we have seen quite a few episodes like this where it's like, okay, right, we've got their last footage and then everyone's sort of panicking.

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In this case, they sort of beamed out, bewitched style, aren't they?

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It's very odd.

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So the black guy here in the pink outfit just quoted Psalm 95 for some reason.

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And there's some more Bible to come later in the episode.

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Oh, now he's losing his shit, running upstairs. whee, there he goes.

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Let's go.

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I actually quite like that effect, I have to say.

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So we learned that he's just beaming out.

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Like, it's actually quite scary looking and stuff because it's a special effect that we don't see.

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Oh, Shatner.

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We get bored Shatner in a minute doing some just incredibly shit acting.

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Yeah.

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It's the, like, that was, like, groaning, grunting.

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Just so you know, all right?

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So everyone vanishes.

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Bones, where are you?

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Ooh, and then he's just sort of hurls himself on the floor.

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Isn't this how every season 3 tierOS episode starts with some shit going down.

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Him grabbing his head, everyone falling over.

216
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

217
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So he's got to be on the floor.

218
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I think I'm getting a bit of a China's bald spot already.

219
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Oh, wow.

220
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That's quite good.

221
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When they sort of popped him out of existence there.

222
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His shape was on the dust, wasn't it?

223
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was quite nicely done.

224
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That's what we go to the credits on, which I think is actually not too bad.

225
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You know, I was reading in memory alpha.

226
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Who said we'd blown our loads.

227
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I was reading in Memory Alpha, that the original director for this, who was assigned to it, was vetoed because he directed a former episode and went well over budget and time.

228
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So they said, no, we're not having him back anymore.

229
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So they brought in this cheapo director instead. this is the result.

230
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Yeah.

231
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So his name is John Erman and this is his only Star Trek as well.

232
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He doesn't come back.

233
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How brown is this being on his side?

234
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So this is a set written by a set, a script written by a fan who one of four. isn't it?

235
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One of four.

236
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Yeah.

237
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Yeah.

238
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And Bob Justman, Robert Justman recommends the script to Freddie Freiberger, who clearly thought it was great because he was Freddie Freiberger, and he was a complete fucking idiot.

239
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I mean, what it surprised you to know that she wrote the 1st draft.

240
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Then it went through the script editor.

241
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Then she wrote the next draft and then Freiburger wrote the final draft of the script.

242
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But I mean, there is this obsession with just getting the characters and torturing them until the episode ends because that is what whom gods destroy is.

243
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And that's what Plato's stepchildren is.

244
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And I, like I said, I predicted that that would be this.

245
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So here we appeared in an obstruct theatrical space.

246
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It's just a black background and a spotlight.

247
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Yeah.

248
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Deforest Kelly said that he thought that this was his favourite episode.

249
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And one of the things that he comments on is that they're acting with these very tight lights on them.

250
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So the set isn't lit, but they are.

251
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And like, I have to say that I think it's a pretty interesting, um, thing to do and having lots of negative space, space and black, the, you know, like it's a, an inexpensive way of achieving something that is very weird and surreal, and, you know, compare, say, Spectre of the Garden, which does the same thing. but artistically.

252
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Yeah, I think Spectre of the Garden is much more beautiful and much more clever because of the way that it marries real world things, you know, you know, has pictures hanging up on the sky and stuff.

253
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That was nice, though.

254
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There was a tight shot on them walking in the darkness and then it zoomed back suddenly to take in the whole set.

255
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And there's a couple of bits like that.

256
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But you kind of need the whole episode shot like that, don't you?

257
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And for the episode to be half, maybe two-thirds, less the length.

258
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Yeah.

259
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I mean, the problem is that I'm pretty much bored of this look already.

260
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Like I appreciate it in theory, but in practice, I think it's really boring.

261
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It's beautiful woman.

262
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She's getting up decorously.

263
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She doesn't, who wakes up like that anyway and just sort of pulls your arms up and, oh, like everything's an interpretive dance with her.

264
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Like, it is just like... very funny.

265
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She sort of had her hand to her face.

266
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Like, who are you?

267
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And so I think it's actually disgraceful and lazy.

268
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So we're having this conversation now that she has no vocal chords and so she can't speak.

269
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So she doesn't have the ability to speak because she doesn't have, you know, important speech organs.

270
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And so she, we never hear from her.

271
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We never hear what she thinks.

272
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She has no character and no agency.

273
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So it's just like we will have a woman here because that would be decorative and just looking at all these men is not very interesting, but we'll have a woman, but we won't write her a character.

274
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She's the only bit of colour in the whole thing in a beautiful purple dress, you know.

275
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And she is very pretty.

276
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I can see why they keep giving her the close-ups.

277
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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

278
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And she's little and elfin and stuff in a sort of cute 60s kind of way.

279
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But you know what she reminds me of.

280
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You know, like, do you remember being at school, you know, when you did drama and that and you asked to sort of display emotions in a very theatrical way without actually saying any words?

281
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And it's just really poor.

282
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That's what she reminds me of, you know?

283
00:19:55.200 --> 00:19:56.039
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

284
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Yeah, yeah.

285
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Yeah, she just showed fear there by holding up her hands, like little claws, like, oh, stay away from me, you know.

286
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And like, it's, she's referring to her as she, Nathan.

287
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I'm going to call her Jim.

288
00:20:14.940 --> 00:20:18.900
But why are you calling her Jem when there's a character here?

289
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There's 3 characters here?

290
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One of whom is called Jim.

291
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So we have Jim and Jim.

292
00:20:23.819 --> 00:20:27.900
Where 4 characters, 2 of whom have the same fucking name, is it?

293
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Is it because you think she's a little gem?

294
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I thought he was going to have a line like that.

295
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I'm pleased they didn't go there.

296
00:20:33.180 --> 00:20:49.619
Well, because later on, I wonder whether the original idea was to call her Pearl and then in the, you know, like in the final scene, we get that quote from Matthew's Gospel about the merchant who goes and buys the Pearl of Great Price.

297
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I'm talking over the bum headed aliens, 1st appear.

298
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Finally, something of interest to look at.

299
00:20:54.180 --> 00:20:55.859
Well, not to know about that.

300
00:20:55.920 --> 00:21:03.720
I mean, they are wearing sequins, which is a bit flashier and fancier than the fashion on Talos.

301
00:21:03.779 --> 00:21:07.380
Can we go to a Star Trek convention and cosplayer, this pair, please?

302
00:21:08.099 --> 00:21:10.380
So they have names.

303
00:21:10.500 --> 00:21:15.059
They have names. and one of them, Willard Sage is a big guy.

304
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He gets an and credit.

305
00:21:16.500 --> 00:21:21.480
I'm not sure which one he is. but they're called Lal and Than.

306
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Lal.

307
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The 1st Lal.

308
00:21:24.299 --> 00:21:28.619
Yeah, yeah, the 1st Lal. you know, Data's daughter, but also this girl.

309
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Imperious, sparkly robes.

310
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With a huge collar, you know?

311
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A bit like Admiral Satay last week.

312
00:21:34.980 --> 00:21:48.180
Well, I think the collar here is to disguise the, well, like the Ferengi, you know, the Ferengi things that they have at the back of their heads, which is just there to hide the gap between the makeup and the skin.

313
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Oh, my.

314
00:21:49.079 --> 00:21:50.099
Look at the free of them doing?

315
00:21:50.099 --> 00:21:51.059
No, we...

316
00:21:51.119 --> 00:21:53.819
We trapped in a false field acting.

317
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Just wave your hand slowly whilst the aliens advance menacingly on gem.

318
00:22:00.000 --> 00:22:01.259
Oh, no.

319
00:22:01.319 --> 00:22:02.819
She's just gone down on a...

320
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Oh, don't touch me, please.

321
00:22:05.400 --> 00:22:07.740
She's doing hand acting.

322
00:22:07.799 --> 00:22:08.940
She's doing jazz hands.

323
00:22:09.000 --> 00:22:10.079
The jazz hands have done.

324
00:22:10.140 --> 00:22:12.599
I look like he can't be fucked with her in this.

325
00:22:12.660 --> 00:22:14.220
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

326
00:22:14.220 --> 00:22:20.400
Obviously, shattered us well into it, showing the pain of the floor. like, oh, whatever.

327
00:22:21.000 --> 00:22:24.240
They look horrible, these aliens, don't they?

328
00:22:24.299 --> 00:22:26.700
Well, they've sort of given them veins around the mouth.

329
00:22:26.759 --> 00:22:28.980
It's very unpleasant.

330
00:22:29.039 --> 00:22:29.519
Something.

331
00:22:29.579 --> 00:22:30.359
It is pretty bad.

332
00:22:30.539 --> 00:22:34.079
What happened to make their skulls cave in at the side like that?

333
00:22:34.140 --> 00:22:36.480
No, I don't know. they're just born that way.

334
00:22:36.539 --> 00:22:37.559
That's thing.

335
00:22:37.619 --> 00:22:38.279
Okay.

336
00:22:38.279 --> 00:22:40.680
So, um, who are they again?

337
00:22:40.799 --> 00:22:42.000
Please explain to me.

338
00:22:42.000 --> 00:22:43.859
The viands.

339
00:22:43.920 --> 00:22:47.640
Right, and do they just go around kidnapping people trying to teach them lessons?

340
00:22:47.700 --> 00:22:51.539
So none of this is set up in any way.

341
00:22:51.599 --> 00:23:06.299
They just tell us that in some lines of dialogue, that this star is about to go nova, but apparently lots and lots of planets are around this star and they're all inhabited by different types of people, but they can only save one group of people.

342
00:23:06.359 --> 00:23:09.119
And so they're trying to find out whether Gem.

343
00:23:09.180 --> 00:23:12.059
They're worth saving, whether they're worth saving.

344
00:23:12.119 --> 00:23:15.000
Apparently empathy for other races.

345
00:23:15.059 --> 00:23:17.940
Apparently the test isn't that they're people.

346
00:23:18.000 --> 00:23:19.319
Do you know what I mean?

347
00:23:19.380 --> 00:23:25.500
Who love their lives and want to live and you could save them for that reason.

348
00:23:25.559 --> 00:23:32.039
It's because, uh, like she's supposed to sacrifice her life to save McCoy, who she's just mad.

349
00:23:32.099 --> 00:23:35.880
She did a wonderful sort of Samantha bewitched magic trip back.

350
00:23:35.940 --> 00:23:36.539
Yeah, I like that.

351
00:23:36.539 --> 00:23:40.740
She touched his face and his cut disappeared and this little sort of little spark.

352
00:23:40.740 --> 00:23:42.420
It's in front of his head.

353
00:23:42.480 --> 00:23:45.779
So the sparkle only occurs here and I wanted to see it again.

354
00:23:45.839 --> 00:23:48.599
I thought it was the best thing about that little moment.

355
00:23:48.660 --> 00:23:50.940
They could have given her Samantha like fingers, couldn't they?

356
00:23:51.000 --> 00:23:51.299
you know?

357
00:23:51.420 --> 00:23:53.700
Magic pixie dust.

358
00:23:53.880 --> 00:23:55.680
Oh, no.

359
00:23:55.680 --> 00:23:57.480
It's taken out of her, though. look.

360
00:23:57.539 --> 00:23:58.319
Oh I'm so tired.

361
00:23:58.799 --> 00:24:01.019
Headbows. so tired.

362
00:24:01.680 --> 00:24:08.039
Because there was a great close-up of her with no facial expression about any time.

363
00:24:08.099 --> 00:24:09.359
Just remember all that.

364
00:24:09.420 --> 00:24:12.539
It's just like, I don't really think anything about what's happened.

365
00:24:13.019 --> 00:24:15.180
I'm going to tell you this, right?

366
00:24:15.240 --> 00:24:17.759
why she might not have a facial expression.

367
00:24:17.819 --> 00:24:21.299
It's because later on, you know, the bit where she takes the pain away from McCoy.

368
00:24:21.359 --> 00:24:21.960
Yeah.

369
00:24:22.019 --> 00:24:26.160
And takes on all of his hideous bruises from his torture.

370
00:24:26.220 --> 00:24:32.519
She had to stay still for 8 fucking hours. whilst they they line that up.

371
00:24:32.579 --> 00:24:33.779
Now, that's why.

372
00:24:33.839 --> 00:24:35.759
She goes I've got no emotion left in me.

373
00:24:35.880 --> 00:24:37.680
He specialises are killing me.

374
00:24:37.740 --> 00:24:39.359
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

375
00:24:39.420 --> 00:24:41.220
Like they add them to her, don't they?

376
00:24:41.279 --> 00:24:44.460
Like, they'd, like, tie her to a board so she stays completely still.

377
00:24:44.519 --> 00:24:50.039
And it's an effective shot, but it does take them 8 hours in a way that obviously you could just do very quickly now.

378
00:24:50.099 --> 00:24:51.180
You really are right though.

379
00:24:51.240 --> 00:24:57.900
Like, what Deforest Kelly said about there being, you know, just this black space and them highlighted in the middle.

380
00:24:57.960 --> 00:25:04.140
So this could be a brilliant sort of psychological drama about their core relationships, you know?

381
00:25:04.200 --> 00:25:06.420
With nothing else to distract you at all.

382
00:25:06.480 --> 00:25:10.740
Just with a great script that sort of pushes them in interesting directions.

383
00:25:10.740 --> 00:25:13.440
And then you really see what they mean to each other.

384
00:25:13.500 --> 00:25:15.839
They don't really do that, don't they?

385
00:25:15.900 --> 00:25:23.460
No, I mean, all they do is the sort of we, they try and outbid one another to who's going to say, you know, as to who's going to sacrifice their life.

386
00:25:23.519 --> 00:25:26.099
But we don't ever find out anything much about them.

387
00:25:26.160 --> 00:25:40.980
I think there's one really great line from D about Spock, where, where, um, Bones says you have an excellent bedside manner and he's not being snarky and I just thought that was really charming.

388
00:25:41.039 --> 00:25:44.700
Like I thought, you know, that was actually quite nice and we could have had more of that stuff.

389
00:25:44.759 --> 00:25:55.859
I think this is the bit that's scary. kids. what's that Because what he's about to say, look, say, gosh, Shatton has beautiful as a young man.

390
00:25:55.859 --> 00:25:57.059
It's prettier.

391
00:25:57.119 --> 00:25:58.140
Oh, my God.

392
00:25:58.140 --> 00:26:03.539
So they're stuck, subject link and subject.

393
00:26:03.539 --> 00:26:07.500
Both in tubes now, expressing torturous pain.

394
00:26:07.559 --> 00:26:08.880
Yeah.

395
00:26:08.940 --> 00:26:13.440
Like, I think that's properly scary, but we never know why and it doesn't go anywhere.

396
00:26:13.500 --> 00:26:17.640
Like, it's just there for the... where he was strung up, Kirk.

397
00:26:17.700 --> 00:26:22.859
And it's a bit, it's sort of a bit like a puppet, but that was a little bit scary. in the.

398
00:26:22.980 --> 00:26:23.640
Oh, yeah, yeah.

399
00:26:23.700 --> 00:26:24.299
Yeah.

400
00:26:24.359 --> 00:26:27.539
I think there's things in this would that would scare the shit out of kids.

401
00:26:27.599 --> 00:26:34.380
I think I tell you, and even that, you know, the fact that their own tubes are there and already labelled, is pretty great.

402
00:26:34.440 --> 00:26:35.519
Sorry.

403
00:26:35.579 --> 00:26:37.619
The space museum did this idea better.

404
00:26:37.680 --> 00:26:39.119
Ask is waiting for you.

405
00:26:41.220 --> 00:26:47.519
Yeah, like, I think, you know, like, I think there is some scary imagery here, but it's this, like, what the fuck?

406
00:26:47.579 --> 00:26:48.180
I don't know.

407
00:26:48.240 --> 00:26:51.000
Like, why are they dead?

408
00:26:51.059 --> 00:26:51.839
Like what happened?

409
00:26:51.900 --> 00:26:52.859
We don't know.

410
00:26:52.859 --> 00:26:54.299
Hang on, you know.

411
00:26:54.359 --> 00:26:56.880
He just said their own imperfections killed them.

412
00:26:56.940 --> 00:27:01.259
So, oh, I'm so sorry we got in the way of your torturous experiments and our bodies were weak.

413
00:27:01.319 --> 00:27:04.440
He seems to be suggesting it's their fault that they're dead.

414
00:27:04.559 --> 00:27:06.720
Well, I don't know, I don't know.

415
00:27:06.779 --> 00:27:07.559
It just makes no sense.

416
00:27:07.619 --> 00:27:09.720
And it doesn't go anywhere and it doesn't matter.

417
00:27:09.779 --> 00:27:16.259
Look, I love that, where Spock just walks up to him and gives him the fucking neck pitch and he falls over.

418
00:27:16.319 --> 00:27:18.059
I just like, that is actually pretty fucking great.

419
00:27:18.180 --> 00:27:20.039
If I shoot a gun at you, yeah?

420
00:27:20.099 --> 00:27:22.140
It's not you got in the way.

421
00:27:22.140 --> 00:27:25.380
It's not your fault that your body can't handle it, you know.

422
00:27:27.119 --> 00:27:28.980
These aliens.

423
00:27:29.039 --> 00:27:31.680
Now, look, that's just from the enterprise set.

424
00:27:31.740 --> 00:27:32.579
Look at that grid in there.

425
00:27:32.819 --> 00:27:34.980
That is from the Enterprise.

426
00:27:35.099 --> 00:27:36.180
I bet all this is, isn't it?

427
00:27:36.240 --> 00:27:37.500
I bet that's the transporter pad.

428
00:27:38.940 --> 00:27:41.279
Actually, there's...

429
00:27:41.279 --> 00:27:42.779
They are bum headed aliens, see?

430
00:27:42.839 --> 00:27:44.579
They've got a butt crack at the back of the head.

431
00:27:44.640 --> 00:27:45.599
Did you see?

432
00:27:45.599 --> 00:27:46.619
It's quite a big room.

433
00:27:46.680 --> 00:27:48.420
They sort of went right off into the distance.

434
00:27:48.480 --> 00:27:49.200
It's a big space.

435
00:27:49.259 --> 00:27:49.619
Yeah.

436
00:27:49.680 --> 00:27:53.279
Oh, into stock cave set 52 and then the planet's surface.

437
00:27:53.339 --> 00:27:54.960
Oh here we go.

438
00:27:55.019 --> 00:27:58.140
I was surprised that we actually went back here quite so soon.

439
00:27:58.200 --> 00:27:59.039
I thought we were going to be.

440
00:27:59.099 --> 00:28:01.019
There's such a storm whip it up.

441
00:28:01.079 --> 00:28:03.900
Watch how her shawl decorously blows about the place.

442
00:28:04.200 --> 00:28:06.240
It's something, right?

443
00:28:06.299 --> 00:28:07.019
It's like...

444
00:28:07.019 --> 00:28:11.099
It's so stupid too.

445
00:28:11.220 --> 00:28:13.500
And Scotty, who's doing his best.

446
00:28:13.559 --> 00:28:15.359
I'm an illusion acting.

447
00:28:16.980 --> 00:28:21.359
But despite this, you know, extreme storm.

448
00:28:21.420 --> 00:28:24.059
His brill creamed hair doesn't move a jot.

449
00:28:24.119 --> 00:28:25.380
No, well, no.

450
00:28:25.440 --> 00:28:28.380
It's a terrible look, his hair in serious and free.

451
00:28:28.440 --> 00:28:29.460
It's so bad.

452
00:28:29.519 --> 00:28:30.599
It is so bad.

453
00:28:30.839 --> 00:28:35.880
I mean, if the wind was that strong, those polar styroons rocks would be a goner, wouldn't they?

454
00:28:36.660 --> 00:28:37.440
they're stuck down.

455
00:28:37.500 --> 00:28:38.759
I think they blew them.

456
00:28:38.819 --> 00:28:39.779
Oh here he is.

457
00:28:39.839 --> 00:28:41.160
Waving.

458
00:28:41.220 --> 00:28:42.599
I can't have that.

459
00:28:42.660 --> 00:28:44.519
It's Scotty in the search party.

460
00:28:44.579 --> 00:28:50.279
There's a couple of really weird zooms as well, as if they're not being done in camera, but later.

461
00:28:50.339 --> 00:28:55.140
I don't know whether that's even a possibility, but there's some very... novels who've been an hour in 60s straight.

462
00:28:55.200 --> 00:28:55.859
I don't know.

463
00:28:55.920 --> 00:28:58.680
I mean, I'm quite keen on a dramatic crash Zoom.

464
00:29:00.119 --> 00:29:02.039
Oh, God.

465
00:29:02.099 --> 00:29:05.579
We are observing you from above the polystyring rock.

466
00:29:06.000 --> 00:29:09.180
Why does Captain Kirk start going in slow motion here?

467
00:29:09.240 --> 00:29:11.400
Yeah, I don't really get it.

468
00:29:11.460 --> 00:29:12.779
Is he actually in?

469
00:29:12.779 --> 00:29:13.980
Slow motion or his shat.

470
00:29:14.039 --> 00:29:15.480
Not just moving very slowly.

471
00:29:15.539 --> 00:29:18.000
I think he might be slow motion.

472
00:29:18.059 --> 00:29:19.619
I think it's both.

473
00:29:19.740 --> 00:29:20.819
I think it's both.

474
00:29:21.660 --> 00:29:25.319
But the wind is still whipping sort of fairly quickly.

475
00:29:25.380 --> 00:29:28.559
But again, it's just like, what are we learning here?

476
00:29:28.619 --> 00:29:29.579
Do you know what I mean?

477
00:29:29.640 --> 00:29:30.599
This is so boring.

478
00:29:30.660 --> 00:29:33.539
It's just the aliens kind of going, they love their life.

479
00:29:33.599 --> 00:29:35.039
Their will to survive is strong.

480
00:29:35.099 --> 00:29:36.059
It's just like, come on.

481
00:29:36.119 --> 00:29:39.660
Yeah, but what's just got to do with them testing her?

482
00:29:39.720 --> 00:29:41.099
I don't know.

483
00:29:41.160 --> 00:29:42.180
I don't know.

484
00:29:42.240 --> 00:29:46.079
Because they're supposed to be testing them, so she reacts, I thought.

485
00:29:46.259 --> 00:29:53.579
Well, I think though, isn't she supposed to learn compassion and self-sacrifice from them?

486
00:29:53.880 --> 00:30:00.660
And so part of the picture is, they have to want to live.

487
00:30:00.720 --> 00:30:03.779
This is just embarrassing, Bill.

488
00:30:03.839 --> 00:30:04.920
This is shockingly bad.

489
00:30:04.980 --> 00:30:06.900
I covered him in sweat though.

490
00:30:06.960 --> 00:30:07.380
Look at him.

491
00:30:07.440 --> 00:30:09.119
Yeah, yeah. that's terrible.

492
00:30:09.720 --> 00:30:14.160
So the fact that they want to live means that they're sacrifice.

493
00:30:14.220 --> 00:30:15.960
I don't know, I'm just making all this up.

494
00:30:16.019 --> 00:30:18.779
So their self-sacrifice means something.

495
00:30:18.839 --> 00:30:22.859
Maybe it's in slow motion because we just want to make out the running time.

496
00:30:23.039 --> 00:30:27.299
I think Shatner doesn't care how embarrassed he looks.

497
00:30:27.359 --> 00:30:29.640
At this point, as long as he gets the close up.

498
00:30:29.700 --> 00:30:31.740
I'm not doing this next year.

499
00:30:31.799 --> 00:30:32.519
This is bullshit.

500
00:30:32.579 --> 00:30:33.720
This is just not happening.

501
00:30:35.819 --> 00:30:40.319
Is it true that there was 2 more years, you know, the five-year mission.

502
00:30:40.380 --> 00:30:41.400
Obviously this is year three.

503
00:30:41.460 --> 00:30:42.119
Yeah?

504
00:30:42.180 --> 00:30:42.960
I don't know.

505
00:30:43.019 --> 00:30:47.880
Now, I know Dory Fontana thinks that was the animated series, but let's not go with that theory.

506
00:30:47.940 --> 00:30:49.799
Yeah, let's not go too far.

507
00:30:49.859 --> 00:30:54.779
That's our sort of a pocket dimension that lower deck occasionally refers to.

508
00:30:54.839 --> 00:30:56.460
No, it's real.

509
00:30:56.579 --> 00:30:57.059
It all happened.

510
00:30:57.119 --> 00:31:01.319
You've got to hope the adventure's got a bit better than this in the next 2 years, don't you?

511
00:31:01.380 --> 00:31:04.799
I mean, this is this is like just nothing.

512
00:31:04.859 --> 00:31:07.859
Just think of some of the stuff we've had in this show.

513
00:31:07.920 --> 00:31:11.880
Think of them doomsday machine.

514
00:31:11.940 --> 00:31:13.559
We had so much fun.

515
00:31:13.619 --> 00:31:16.500
You know, like just, there's really, really good stuff.

516
00:31:16.559 --> 00:31:17.940
Trouble with tribles.

517
00:31:18.480 --> 00:31:19.740
Do a cobble do in a black room.

518
00:31:19.859 --> 00:31:21.059
Yeah, yeah.

519
00:31:21.119 --> 00:31:21.900
Yeah.

520
00:31:21.960 --> 00:31:25.740
Oh, all of this is so tedious.

521
00:31:26.279 --> 00:31:32.579
And I think it's a sort of thing as well. that non-Star Trek fans thing all Star Trek is like.

522
00:31:32.640 --> 00:31:33.839
Yeah, the soundtrack's like this.

523
00:31:33.839 --> 00:31:37.740
I'm headed out of bullshit. that kidnap Captain Kirk and Torture.

524
00:31:37.799 --> 00:31:43.559
Yeah, yeah. that want to learn about this human thing you call, you know, compassion or whatever.

525
00:31:43.799 --> 00:31:46.619
This human thing you call kissing.

526
00:31:46.680 --> 00:31:49.140
You know, like it's it's crap.

527
00:31:49.200 --> 00:31:54.480
Yeah, unlike R2 from Enterprise, that, you know, only get one line per episode.

528
00:31:54.539 --> 00:31:58.319
Walter and Michelle, neither of them were like, they're not in it.

529
00:31:58.380 --> 00:32:00.480
No, they're not in it. rather not take the line.

530
00:32:00.539 --> 00:32:01.319
We'll have the week.

531
00:32:03.299 --> 00:32:08.400
Which is why that executive is there in water.

532
00:32:08.460 --> 00:32:11.220
And there's a very pretty lady there in the shells.

533
00:32:11.279 --> 00:32:14.039
Oh, okay. should have a look.

534
00:32:14.099 --> 00:32:15.420
Oh, yeah, yeah, Scotty.

535
00:32:15.480 --> 00:32:16.559
You know what he's trying to do?

536
00:32:16.619 --> 00:32:18.420
He's balding, isn't it?

537
00:32:18.480 --> 00:32:24.539
He's trying to sweep his hair over his balding spot I thought he was trying to do, he was trying to do Shatnerhead.

538
00:32:24.599 --> 00:32:26.880
Yeah, see, there's no way that Shatner, is it?

539
00:32:26.940 --> 00:32:29.940
That is an amazing shot and it is terrifying.

540
00:32:30.000 --> 00:32:33.000
No, he's too broad for Shatner.

541
00:32:33.599 --> 00:32:36.420
Like, look how muscular that back is.

542
00:32:36.480 --> 00:32:37.019
It's hard.

543
00:32:37.980 --> 00:32:39.000
That hair is not the same.

544
00:32:39.000 --> 00:32:39.779
Just stay there.

545
00:32:39.839 --> 00:32:41.700
No, no, no, no, no, not at all.

546
00:32:41.759 --> 00:32:44.400
Now here we are on the close-up from the front.

547
00:32:44.460 --> 00:32:46.140
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

548
00:32:46.200 --> 00:32:46.859
No, he looks great.

549
00:32:46.920 --> 00:32:48.180
He looks pretty good.

550
00:32:48.240 --> 00:32:52.559
What would be your thing of choice to eat off of William Shatner right now?

551
00:32:52.619 --> 00:32:55.859
Tara, the stamens...

552
00:32:55.920 --> 00:32:57.900
But I would need it off the stuntman's back.

553
00:32:57.960 --> 00:33:01.859
Probably chips, you know, chip buddy.

554
00:33:01.920 --> 00:33:02.700
Actually, I don't know.

555
00:33:03.059 --> 00:33:04.740
That's probably a terrible lover, isn't he?

556
00:33:04.799 --> 00:33:06.359
He'd just be thinking about himself.

557
00:33:06.420 --> 00:33:07.920
Yeah, that's all right.

558
00:33:07.920 --> 00:33:12.059
He loved he fucking loved these close up, sorry, didn't he?

559
00:33:12.119 --> 00:33:13.140
It was hairy old.

560
00:33:13.200 --> 00:33:14.099
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

561
00:33:14.160 --> 00:33:14.819
Yeah, yeah.

562
00:33:14.880 --> 00:33:15.480
Yeah.

563
00:33:15.539 --> 00:33:17.819
And someone sprayed him with sweat, which is pretty awesome.

564
00:33:17.880 --> 00:33:22.140
For some reason, the camera's sort of cradling in and out.

565
00:33:22.200 --> 00:33:23.400
I don't know, I don't know.

566
00:33:23.460 --> 00:33:25.680
It's very sort of Star Trek discovery style.

567
00:33:25.740 --> 00:33:26.880
I just want to stop moving.

568
00:33:27.240 --> 00:33:30.539
I did well round and do all sorts of exciting things.

569
00:33:30.599 --> 00:33:31.440
It is very strange.

570
00:33:31.500 --> 00:33:35.819
And so, so they're torturing him in front of her.

571
00:33:35.819 --> 00:33:37.859
And then they drop.

572
00:33:37.980 --> 00:33:40.740
Oh, that's when there's someone different hanging from the ceiling.

573
00:33:40.799 --> 00:33:44.279
Um, and like she's completely unreadable.

574
00:33:44.339 --> 00:33:45.839
Oh my god.

575
00:33:46.019 --> 00:33:50.640
She is thinking, oh, I could just take his trousers down right now.

576
00:33:50.700 --> 00:33:52.019
He's helpless.

577
00:33:56.220 --> 00:33:56.640
She is.

578
00:33:57.900 --> 00:33:59.160
I can torture him some more.

579
00:34:00.420 --> 00:34:05.279
Oh, meanwhile, elsewhere in the void, we're kind of wandering off.

580
00:34:05.339 --> 00:34:14.460
So because of this torture, this was not shown in the UK until the 1990s.

581
00:34:14.519 --> 00:34:17.639
Exactly when we were prepared for it in the 90s.

582
00:34:17.699 --> 00:34:18.119
No.

583
00:34:18.179 --> 00:34:20.820
Well, no, when no one gave a shit, you know, like at that point.

584
00:34:20.880 --> 00:34:43.800
But they showed Miri in the 1970s and there were complaints to the BBC, and so they decided, they reviewed the other episodes of the series, and they decided not to show whom gods destroy, Plato's stepchildren, and this, all of which are just tortured the characters, episodes until the, you know, the credits run.

585
00:34:44.579 --> 00:34:46.739
What is she thinking right now?

586
00:34:46.800 --> 00:34:47.579
I don't know.

587
00:34:48.179 --> 00:34:54.420
But he's been tortured and is in a terrible state and the camera just keeps cutting to her with this blank look on her face.

588
00:34:54.420 --> 00:34:56.699
Like, yeah, yeah, she's not conveying anything.

589
00:34:56.760 --> 00:34:58.860
I feel as if she's thinking, what?

590
00:34:58.920 --> 00:35:00.000
Do you want me to do something?

591
00:35:00.059 --> 00:35:02.519
Like, I can't help.

592
00:35:02.519 --> 00:35:03.239
She's doing it.

593
00:35:03.300 --> 00:35:06.840
No, she's doing her fingernail kind of healing acting.

594
00:35:07.019 --> 00:35:09.420
I've done this to a few men, you know.

595
00:35:13.320 --> 00:35:16.980
And now she's feeling love and empathy.

596
00:35:17.039 --> 00:35:18.599
Oh, pain as well.

597
00:35:18.659 --> 00:35:19.980
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

598
00:35:20.039 --> 00:35:21.840
But again, do you know what I mean?

599
00:35:21.900 --> 00:35:25.139
Like it's her job as a woman to just shut up and fix him.

600
00:35:25.199 --> 00:35:26.519
Do you know what I mean?

601
00:35:26.579 --> 00:35:28.920
Like, she is the victim and empathise.

602
00:35:28.980 --> 00:35:30.659
That's her job, yeah, you know?

603
00:35:30.719 --> 00:35:31.380
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

604
00:35:31.440 --> 00:35:36.179
So he's a big strong man who spends all day out at the being tortured factory.

605
00:35:36.239 --> 00:35:43.320
And then when he comes home of an evening, he expects her to take on the burden of his, like, look how terrible.

606
00:35:43.380 --> 00:35:46.380
Like, I can see why the BBC didn't show this in the 70s.

607
00:35:46.500 --> 00:35:48.780
His hands look like cut up, didn't they?

608
00:35:48.840 --> 00:35:50.280
It's quite nasty.

609
00:35:50.340 --> 00:35:52.440
But now look, now her hands are.

610
00:35:52.500 --> 00:35:55.260
She was giving it a bit of welly there, though, you know.

611
00:35:55.260 --> 00:35:56.039
I teach.

612
00:35:56.039 --> 00:35:56.940
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

613
00:35:56.940 --> 00:36:00.659
There was some proper acting there and then it goes away and then she's very tired.

614
00:36:01.139 --> 00:36:02.880
Yeah, yeah.

615
00:36:02.940 --> 00:36:06.360
Oh, so where does it where does it go once it leaves her?

616
00:36:06.960 --> 00:36:08.699
She heals.

617
00:36:08.760 --> 00:36:09.840
She just heals.

618
00:36:09.960 --> 00:36:10.380
Oh, okay.

619
00:36:10.679 --> 00:36:12.659
Oh, so it's not so bad.

620
00:36:12.719 --> 00:36:15.420
No, but it does drain her energy.

621
00:36:15.480 --> 00:36:16.199
Yeah.

622
00:36:16.260 --> 00:36:22.559
And so that's why she's, those, like, suddenly her false eyelashes are very heavy.

623
00:36:22.619 --> 00:36:26.699
That's right decorously just fell to the floor there.

624
00:36:26.760 --> 00:36:29.099
Yeah, you know, in quite a comfortable position.

625
00:36:29.219 --> 00:36:31.320
And look, it's nice padded carpet as well.

626
00:36:31.380 --> 00:36:33.059
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

627
00:36:33.119 --> 00:36:34.079
I actually like that bit.

628
00:36:34.139 --> 00:36:36.000
The patterned carpet is very period.

629
00:36:36.059 --> 00:36:37.380
It reminds me of my childhood.

630
00:36:37.440 --> 00:36:47.940
Um, you know, uh, someone said that this this couch is like the couch is in whom gods destroy, the special couch in whom gods destroy.

631
00:36:48.059 --> 00:36:49.380
Oh, really?

632
00:36:49.440 --> 00:36:53.880
Oh, no, I swear they were all covered in co-opets and things, you know, just...

633
00:36:53.940 --> 00:36:56.159
What is that bizarre bit of apparatus behind them?

634
00:36:56.219 --> 00:36:57.000
Just something.

635
00:36:57.059 --> 00:37:00.300
Just put something in the set to make it look a bit more interesting.

636
00:37:00.360 --> 00:37:02.219
But light it red as well.

637
00:37:02.280 --> 00:37:06.360
They're still doing the thing with the gels that they do in a normal set, which I think is great.

638
00:37:06.420 --> 00:37:08.280
Like that's an interesting shot.

639
00:37:08.340 --> 00:37:10.920
It just adds some interest to the shots, some texture.

640
00:37:10.980 --> 00:37:15.179
But like, you know, obviously this is usually lit in a really vivid way to show.

641
00:37:15.239 --> 00:37:19.920
So it is a creative choice to make this as abstract as it is.

642
00:37:20.039 --> 00:37:20.760
Yeah.

643
00:37:20.760 --> 00:37:21.360
Yeah.

644
00:37:21.480 --> 00:37:22.019
Why?

645
00:37:22.079 --> 00:37:23.099
It's so boring.

646
00:37:23.159 --> 00:37:24.300
Yeah.

647
00:37:24.360 --> 00:37:25.019
Yeah.

648
00:37:25.079 --> 00:37:28.559
It's like I said, I'm in favour of it in theory, but not in practice.

649
00:37:28.619 --> 00:37:54.300
And if the rest of the episode was engaging in some way, or if there were things happening that I could possibly care about, maybe I could cope with that, you know, the black backdrop, but because just a whole bunch of shit is happening in no particular order and for no particular reason, um, you know, like the sets become irritating under the circumstances, I think.

650
00:37:54.360 --> 00:38:06.480
Do you know, the thing we discovered with this three, the main 3 in TOS, is they're at their best when, like, you know, like when Kirk is really charming and relaxed.

651
00:38:06.480 --> 00:38:13.500
And or when they're really funny, there's jokes, you know, banter back and forth between Kirk and Mar, there's none of that here at all, is there?

652
00:38:13.559 --> 00:38:14.039
No.

653
00:38:14.099 --> 00:38:14.940
No.

654
00:38:15.000 --> 00:38:17.099
But they've been in worse situations than this.

655
00:38:17.219 --> 00:38:28.619
Yeah, like think about, think about how much like Spock's concern for Jim was clear in the devil in the dark.

656
00:38:28.739 --> 00:38:29.880
Remember that.

657
00:38:29.940 --> 00:38:39.480
Like, again, Devil in the Dark cares enough about being a Star Trek episode to set it in a place where things happen for some kind of organic reason.

658
00:38:39.539 --> 00:38:44.940
And we put the characters under stress and see how they react to each other and what their relationship is like.

659
00:38:45.000 --> 00:38:50.219
Here, it's just like you've got these guys saying you're going to be tortured, you're going to have this happen to you.

660
00:38:50.280 --> 00:38:51.300
Do you know what I mean?

661
00:38:51.360 --> 00:38:54.840
Like all of this stuff is happening for kind of no reason as far as we can tell.

662
00:38:54.900 --> 00:38:56.820
Um, and so it's boring.

663
00:38:56.880 --> 00:38:57.420
It doesn't matter.

664
00:38:57.539 --> 00:39:01.500
Do you know what he looks like, that alien right close to the camera there?

665
00:39:01.800 --> 00:39:03.719
I'm sorry to do this.

666
00:39:03.780 --> 00:39:11.460
He looks like the wrinkly old man in the sauna that's waited out the whole day for the young people to be desperate enough to sleep with him.

667
00:39:11.519 --> 00:39:16.860
That's exactly what he looks like, you know, with his wrinkly face there, you know, he's been in the steam all day.

668
00:39:16.920 --> 00:39:20.519
Because he's got to kind of get a butthole face, don't you think?

669
00:39:20.579 --> 00:39:22.500
Like that's kind of, it's super upsetting.

670
00:39:22.559 --> 00:39:24.239
I'm saying that in a dismissive way.

671
00:39:24.300 --> 00:39:25.800
I'm approaching that age now, right?

672
00:39:25.860 --> 00:39:27.179
So I'm not being too mean.

673
00:39:27.239 --> 00:39:27.780
That's it.

674
00:39:27.840 --> 00:39:31.559
That's a grim portent of the immediate future.

675
00:39:31.619 --> 00:39:33.300
Crush Zoom.

676
00:39:33.360 --> 00:39:36.599
But do you remember as well, like how well-directed Devil in the Dark Wars?

677
00:39:36.659 --> 00:39:38.880
How edgy and expensive that direction was.

678
00:39:38.940 --> 00:39:41.219
There's nothing happening here, is there?

679
00:39:41.280 --> 00:39:47.280
And that was cheesy and pop art, and, you know, everyone was wearing pink and like, it was all, it was just great.

680
00:39:47.400 --> 00:39:50.460
You know, it was probably... that window, which was just a painting.

681
00:39:50.579 --> 00:39:52.079
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

682
00:39:52.139 --> 00:39:55.019
And the duvet, like the fucking thing was a duvet.

683
00:39:55.079 --> 00:39:57.719
You know, like it was preposterous, but it was just really good.

684
00:39:57.780 --> 00:40:01.679
That's a well composed shot with the 3 of them in the triangle, isn't it?

685
00:40:01.739 --> 00:40:02.639
Yes.

686
00:40:02.699 --> 00:40:03.480
Yeah, yeah.

687
00:40:03.539 --> 00:40:06.840
Every now and again, there is a bit of flair.

688
00:40:07.920 --> 00:40:09.300
Yeah.

689
00:40:09.360 --> 00:40:16.500
Have we gone past a bit, yeah, where Spock decides that he's going to sacrifice himself. and McCoy is just appalled.

690
00:40:16.619 --> 00:40:26.880
Well, I mean, again, you know, he sort of declares you have a 73% chance of irreversible brain damage, and you have an 87 perchance...

691
00:40:26.940 --> 00:40:28.619
Climbs up on jam, Nathan.

692
00:40:28.679 --> 00:40:31.980
She's thinking, ooh, I'd love a threesome with a pair of them.

693
00:40:33.659 --> 00:40:38.699
You could literally, this just goes to show you could put any words in this woman's mouth.

694
00:40:41.460 --> 00:40:43.139
Bless her.

695
00:40:43.559 --> 00:40:45.599
But is that what's happened?

696
00:40:45.659 --> 00:40:46.559
That has happened already.

697
00:40:46.619 --> 00:40:49.619
Is that what the bum headed aliens said in their close-up before?

698
00:40:49.679 --> 00:40:51.360
I stopped paying attention to the subtitles.

699
00:40:51.420 --> 00:40:53.820
Oh, I don't want to look at it.

700
00:40:53.880 --> 00:40:54.599
I was just looking at you.

701
00:40:54.659 --> 00:40:55.800
You're much prettier, you know?

702
00:40:57.300 --> 00:41:00.780
Sorry, whenever they're on the screen, I'll look away.

703
00:41:02.340 --> 00:41:06.300
Although maybe they're quite frightening for the younger kids as well.

704
00:41:06.360 --> 00:41:14.579
Yeah, but I think certainly the dead people in the in the containers are pretty terrifying and so is the way that they're strung up to be tortured.

705
00:41:14.639 --> 00:41:21.059
So McCoy's just sent Captain Kirk to sleep and we're all quite jealous of him at this point.

706
00:41:21.659 --> 00:41:22.320
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

707
00:41:22.380 --> 00:41:25.139
But again, there's something stupid about this.

708
00:41:25.199 --> 00:41:31.500
So he pokes him with a hyper spray and then Spock does it to him.

709
00:41:31.559 --> 00:41:32.280
Does he know?

710
00:41:32.340 --> 00:41:34.500
Yeah, because Spock says, well now I'm in charge.

711
00:41:34.559 --> 00:41:38.519
And so I'm going to go and sacrifice my life because I'm in charge.

712
00:41:38.579 --> 00:41:42.239
Um, and like, like this is all dumb.

713
00:41:42.300 --> 00:41:46.380
Like, it's funny, couldn't you, that they're all sacrificing themselves?

714
00:41:46.440 --> 00:41:49.199
You could make it a joke, but it's so deadly serious.

715
00:41:49.679 --> 00:41:53.280
But yeah, yeah, it's deadly serious, but it's also dumb.

716
00:41:53.400 --> 00:41:56.280
Like, it doesn't come out of character at some weird procedural thing.

717
00:41:56.340 --> 00:42:05.699
It's like, ah, well, you made a tactical error, McCoy, by, you know, anaesthetizing him because now I'm going to go off and sacrifice my life and see how you like that.

718
00:42:05.820 --> 00:42:08.579
Did you notice the cut to gem during that argument?

719
00:42:08.639 --> 00:42:10.619
I can give you what she was thinking.

720
00:42:10.679 --> 00:42:11.400
Jim or Jim?

721
00:42:11.460 --> 00:42:12.539
What was she thinking?

722
00:42:12.599 --> 00:42:12.900
Jim.

723
00:42:12.960 --> 00:42:15.239
She was thinking, I'm not sacrificing myself.

724
00:42:15.300 --> 00:42:16.019
Don't look at me.

725
00:42:16.079 --> 00:42:17.340
That's what she was thinking.

726
00:42:17.400 --> 00:42:26.760
That's right And that would be perfectly reasonable, but somehow the bum headed aliens want to condemn her entire civilization's being burned up in a supernova.

727
00:42:27.000 --> 00:42:28.800
What she doing now?

728
00:42:28.860 --> 00:42:34.079
So she's holding his arm and sort of smiling and tilting her head slightly.

729
00:42:34.800 --> 00:42:38.940
The eye makeup is really off putting, I think, don't you?

730
00:42:39.000 --> 00:42:40.199
Yeah.

731
00:42:40.320 --> 00:42:43.980
I've only just noticed, you know, her gown is covered in gems.

732
00:42:44.039 --> 00:42:45.659
That's why it's called her gym, isn't it?

733
00:42:45.719 --> 00:42:46.739
Oh, okay.

734
00:42:46.739 --> 00:42:47.940
She's covered in crystals.

735
00:42:48.000 --> 00:42:49.679
Right, right.

736
00:42:49.739 --> 00:42:50.579
But what's happening here?

737
00:42:50.639 --> 00:42:53.280
Your action is highly unethical.

738
00:42:53.340 --> 00:42:55.679
My decision starts, Spot. does it?

739
00:42:55.739 --> 00:42:57.000
Now he does it to Spark.

740
00:42:57.059 --> 00:42:58.679
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

741
00:42:58.739 --> 00:43:00.179
No, God's sake.

742
00:43:00.179 --> 00:43:01.500
God.

743
00:43:01.559 --> 00:43:02.280
Yeah, yeah.

744
00:43:02.340 --> 00:43:04.920
I'm jealous of Spock now, he's unconscious.

745
00:43:06.119 --> 00:43:08.460
Oh, bum is the back.

746
00:43:08.699 --> 00:43:11.579
The choice has been made.

747
00:43:11.639 --> 00:43:13.320
Oh my god.

748
00:43:13.380 --> 00:43:16.079
She's like, yes, off you pop.

749
00:43:16.139 --> 00:43:17.460
Just go sacrifice yourself.

750
00:43:17.519 --> 00:43:18.840
You'll be fine.

751
00:43:21.900 --> 00:43:25.679
She just looks at him with infinite compassion.

752
00:43:25.739 --> 00:43:28.440
Yeah, she is covered in gems, isn't she?

753
00:43:28.500 --> 00:43:29.280
Just looking at that.

754
00:43:29.340 --> 00:43:32.219
What does a look of infinite compassion look like?

755
00:43:32.280 --> 00:43:33.539
Because she's dead behind the eyes.

756
00:43:33.599 --> 00:43:36.780
It's that all kind of...

757
00:43:36.780 --> 00:43:38.099
And a single test.

758
00:43:38.159 --> 00:43:42.780
Oh, like that's happening. cascading down her beautiful face.

759
00:43:42.840 --> 00:43:44.340
Well, yeah, yeah.

760
00:43:44.400 --> 00:43:44.820
Yeah.

761
00:43:44.820 --> 00:43:45.420
Sure.

762
00:43:45.539 --> 00:43:46.739
Surely she's showing empathy now.

763
00:43:46.800 --> 00:43:48.179
She's crying because he's killing himself.

764
00:43:48.599 --> 00:43:50.820
Or torturing him.

765
00:43:50.880 --> 00:43:56.280
What she's got to do is take on because like there are Bible quotes here, right?

766
00:43:56.340 --> 00:44:00.659
We had some 95 and we have Matthew, I think, at the very end.

767
00:44:01.079 --> 00:44:08.760
So, well, it's very rare for the Bible to be explicitly quoted in Star Trek.

768
00:44:08.760 --> 00:44:12.300
And, you know, Roddenbury's thing is a kind of post-religion thing.

769
00:44:12.420 --> 00:44:13.739
No one's really religious.

770
00:44:13.800 --> 00:44:17.760
And we don't see anyone religious in Star Trek.

771
00:44:17.820 --> 00:44:21.420
We see people who have space religions later, like the Bajorans.

772
00:44:21.480 --> 00:44:25.800
Uh, and we get a mention of Diwali, don't we, in data's day?

773
00:44:25.860 --> 00:44:29.519
But no one seems to be actually religious, no humans are religious.

774
00:44:29.579 --> 00:44:35.880
But that guy, the black guy, quotes the Bible when there's an earthquake earlier.

775
00:44:35.940 --> 00:44:42.719
And then at the end, they compared Jem to the Pearl of Great Price, which is something that Jesus says.

776
00:44:42.780 --> 00:44:50.820
And, you know, in a story that's about taking on someone's injuries.

777
00:44:50.880 --> 00:44:52.079
Do you know what I mean?

778
00:44:52.139 --> 00:45:02.280
Someone is harmed, and then someone shows love to that person and takes their injuries on themselves, even to the point where they may die.

779
00:45:02.340 --> 00:45:03.780
Do you know what I mean?

780
00:45:03.840 --> 00:45:11.400
There's something, there's some Christianity, that's, that's a sort of fairly sort of Christian idea.

781
00:45:11.460 --> 00:45:12.659
Do you know what I mean?

782
00:45:12.719 --> 00:45:16.559
So is there something religious going on here, but it's all terribly undercore?

783
00:45:16.679 --> 00:45:18.239
Not explicit about it though.

784
00:45:18.300 --> 00:45:19.500
No, they don't know.

785
00:45:19.559 --> 00:45:22.800
I mean, unusually Star Trek would point this stuff out.

786
00:45:22.860 --> 00:45:28.320
Well, yeah, remember the bread and circuses with the stupid...

787
00:45:29.099 --> 00:45:32.639
Beware people like Admiral Satay, Mr. Warf.

788
00:45:32.699 --> 00:45:33.900
They are everywhere.

789
00:45:33.960 --> 00:45:38.159
I mean, I mean, bread and circuses. you know, where we had Christianity.

790
00:45:38.219 --> 00:45:42.239
Like we had the Roman planet where we were in the last scene, wasn't it?

791
00:45:42.300 --> 00:45:43.380
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

792
00:45:43.440 --> 00:45:49.500
But we knew already, remember, that they were followers of the way or something like that, and they couldn't kill.

793
00:45:49.559 --> 00:45:52.199
Remember the gladiator who couldn't kill anyone?

794
00:45:52.739 --> 00:45:55.559
Obviously, Roddenbury's out now, isn't it?

795
00:45:55.619 --> 00:45:56.820
So they're slipping this stuff in.

796
00:45:56.880 --> 00:45:58.500
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

797
00:45:58.559 --> 00:46:00.360
So, but what is it?

798
00:46:00.420 --> 00:46:04.079
why is she required to do that?

799
00:46:04.139 --> 00:46:14.159
Because she does, she shows compassion to McCoy and nearly gives up, um, her life for him, but he rejects that.

800
00:46:14.219 --> 00:46:17.460
He doesn't want that and he tells her repeatedly no.

801
00:46:17.519 --> 00:46:24.480
And then, and then, you know, Shatnam stops the aliens from making her do it or something.

802
00:46:24.539 --> 00:46:26.159
Like, I just don't...

803
00:46:26.219 --> 00:46:32.039
Why does she have to justify anyway that they're worthy of being saved?

804
00:46:32.099 --> 00:46:34.139
Are they a terrible race?

805
00:46:34.260 --> 00:46:36.059
She doesn't seem a particularly terrible person.

806
00:46:36.119 --> 00:46:46.920
No, but I mean, this is the thing that happens with these, you know, like it's Q. You know, comes on to say, do you deserve, you know, are you a species that deserve?

807
00:46:46.980 --> 00:46:47.940
I mean fair enough.

808
00:46:48.000 --> 00:46:48.900
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

809
00:46:48.960 --> 00:46:49.860
And that's us.

810
00:46:49.860 --> 00:46:55.260
And basically it's like, do you deserve to have 7 years of primetime television?

811
00:46:55.320 --> 00:46:57.840
You know, like that's what that...

812
00:46:57.900 --> 00:46:59.340
Turns out, yes, but not quite yet.

813
00:46:59.460 --> 00:47:01.019
And more.

814
00:47:02.460 --> 00:47:09.659
That shot, again, of McCoy going to the ad break is terrifying. don't you think?

815
00:47:09.719 --> 00:47:12.000
Yeah, it is it is nasty.

816
00:47:12.420 --> 00:47:13.980
Yeah.

817
00:47:14.039 --> 00:47:16.320
Unusually nosey for TRS.

818
00:47:16.380 --> 00:47:17.280
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

819
00:47:17.340 --> 00:47:19.559
I mean, look at that. uniform's torn up.

820
00:47:19.619 --> 00:47:24.780
He's covered in blood and scratches and bruises and the description of his injuries to him.

821
00:47:24.840 --> 00:47:27.420
Like his kidneys are failing.

822
00:47:27.480 --> 00:47:33.900
You know, he's spleen his births like they describe his injuries in a lot of detail. and he is... definitely dying.

823
00:47:33.960 --> 00:47:35.519
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

824
00:47:35.579 --> 00:47:39.300
Congestion in both longs, massive circulary collapse.

825
00:47:39.360 --> 00:47:40.320
What have they been doing to him?

826
00:47:40.380 --> 00:47:42.599
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

827
00:47:43.440 --> 00:47:47.579
I feel as if these aliens should be punished by the end of the episode.

828
00:47:47.579 --> 00:47:49.440
I think so too, but nothing happens to them.

829
00:47:49.500 --> 00:47:50.340
Do you know what I mean?

830
00:47:50.400 --> 00:47:56.760
But, I mean, we have had aliens testing humans in Star Trek all the way through and that's part of the problem here, isn't it?

831
00:47:56.820 --> 00:47:59.219
That it's just this lazy shit again.

832
00:47:59.280 --> 00:48:02.760
You know, but the twist is it's not testing us.

833
00:48:02.820 --> 00:48:10.559
The humans have to be tested to make sure that they can be recipients of her compassion or something or whatever.

834
00:48:10.619 --> 00:48:13.019
The humans have to be tested because we care about them.

835
00:48:13.079 --> 00:48:17.340
We don't really care about gem or something.

836
00:48:17.340 --> 00:48:18.539
Maybe, right.

837
00:48:18.599 --> 00:48:21.480
Maybe if they had allowed her to talk.

838
00:48:21.840 --> 00:48:24.960
I have a character.

839
00:48:25.019 --> 00:48:30.059
And she could have given us a tedious fucking backstory of our home planet like we get every other week.

840
00:48:30.119 --> 00:48:33.360
But it would have been some context to all of this.

841
00:48:33.719 --> 00:48:35.400
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

842
00:48:35.400 --> 00:48:37.440
Otherwise, we're just guessing, we're guessing everything.

843
00:48:37.500 --> 00:48:38.280
That's right.

844
00:48:38.340 --> 00:48:46.139
And what if they rejected the, like they realised that the test was her being tortured.

845
00:48:46.199 --> 00:48:48.599
They being tortured to test her.

846
00:48:48.659 --> 00:48:50.280
This is what's happening, isn't it?

847
00:48:50.340 --> 00:48:53.940
And they, you know, but they get to talk to her.

848
00:48:54.000 --> 00:48:55.800
They say, no, this is not acceptable.

849
00:48:55.860 --> 00:48:58.260
You know, you're not failing the test.

850
00:48:58.320 --> 00:48:59.340
The test is wrong.

851
00:48:59.400 --> 00:49:05.460
And that's, you know, that's the conclusion that we reach, but it's so undercooked because she's no one.

852
00:49:05.519 --> 00:49:13.860
And as well, though, like, it takes for the aliens to say, oh, it was never about torturing you people, it was about, so they don't figure anything out.

853
00:49:13.920 --> 00:49:16.260
They've been hanging around in this space.

854
00:49:16.320 --> 00:49:18.659
I had plenty of time to sort of figure out what is going on.

855
00:49:18.780 --> 00:49:19.860
Yeah.

856
00:49:19.860 --> 00:49:23.280
I think the actors made it up. think that's what happened.

857
00:49:23.340 --> 00:49:24.059
Yeah, yeah.

858
00:49:24.119 --> 00:49:30.780
We were talking about allegiance earlier, which is a pretty terrible episode of Star Trek the Next Generation, although it is pretty fun.

859
00:49:30.840 --> 00:49:37.800
So that's the one where Captain Picard's in his bed in his quarters and he gets photocopied by these aliens and then abducted.

860
00:49:37.800 --> 00:49:49.440
And there's 3 of them or 4 of them, I think, in a confined space and they're being tested in some way, but they don't know how.

861
00:49:49.440 --> 00:49:55.679
And Picard has to work out how and why and who's responsible. of that's here, for instance.

862
00:49:55.739 --> 00:50:06.360
No, in that episode, it's, it is undercooked again, and the answers are shit, but they do put a photocopy of Captain Kirk on the Enterprise.

863
00:50:06.719 --> 00:50:11.340
Sexy as hell and goes around trying to fuck Beverly and having the best time of his life.

864
00:50:11.340 --> 00:50:14.820
Shandy's in 10 forward and stuff, that's all terribly fun.

865
00:50:14.880 --> 00:50:21.900
Maybe if we had copies of the main 3 here on the enterprise, you know, behaving in an unusual fashion. waking havoc.

866
00:50:22.019 --> 00:50:22.860
It could be quite fun.

867
00:50:22.920 --> 00:50:23.579
Yeah.

868
00:50:23.639 --> 00:50:26.579
They seem to have an enormous candle on the back of the set there.

869
00:50:26.639 --> 00:50:27.119
Do you see it?

870
00:50:27.179 --> 00:50:30.659
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, they do. going on there.

871
00:50:30.719 --> 00:50:32.639
Just in case there's a power cut.

872
00:50:33.539 --> 00:50:36.960
Yeah, so like this is it now.

873
00:50:37.019 --> 00:50:40.739
This is like a massive exposition dump about what this has all been about.

874
00:50:40.800 --> 00:50:44.340
But like, but like, we don't know about her planet.

875
00:50:44.400 --> 00:50:45.780
We've never heard of it before.

876
00:50:45.840 --> 00:50:46.559
We never heard of it.

877
00:50:46.619 --> 00:50:49.019
Why did we mention that there were other planets?

878
00:50:49.079 --> 00:50:51.179
Like your star system will be extinct.

879
00:50:51.239 --> 00:50:52.559
Your son will go nova.

880
00:50:52.619 --> 00:50:56.159
The 1000000s of inhabitants on its planets.

881
00:50:56.219 --> 00:50:57.000
Where were they?

882
00:50:57.059 --> 00:50:58.500
We haven't mentioned them before.

883
00:50:58.559 --> 00:50:59.940
They knew about it.

884
00:51:00.000 --> 00:51:01.199
They're not being told about it.

885
00:51:01.260 --> 00:51:04.860
Why isn't it in the opening captain's log.

886
00:51:04.920 --> 00:51:06.119
Do you know what I mean?

887
00:51:06.179 --> 00:51:08.820
Like, all we know about is the research station.

888
00:51:08.880 --> 00:51:18.599
Now, suddenly there are heaps of planets with 1000000s of people on them, and we didn't think to mention them until, you know, like 9 minutes in.

889
00:51:18.659 --> 00:51:24.719
We need like a Captain Kirk impassioned speech straight to camera of like, why the fuck are you doing this?

890
00:51:24.780 --> 00:51:26.400
You can go and help those people.

891
00:51:26.460 --> 00:51:27.780
We'll go and do it then.

892
00:51:27.840 --> 00:51:29.519
What are we doing here?

893
00:51:29.579 --> 00:51:30.239
They're helping.

894
00:51:30.300 --> 00:51:35.219
Like if they're aware that there are 1000000s of people, why are they just going down to this fucking...

895
00:51:35.280 --> 00:51:39.239
Did I mention I have a huge spaceship, you know, that could take people on board?

896
00:51:39.300 --> 00:51:46.980
But it's got every sign of just being made up on the spot, you know, like...

897
00:51:46.980 --> 00:51:50.159
Maybe this is a good argument against fan writers.

898
00:51:52.320 --> 00:51:56.460
David Gerald was one of the unsolicited fan writers.

899
00:51:56.519 --> 00:51:58.679
Was that Travel with Tribbles?

900
00:51:58.739 --> 00:51:59.519
Yeah, yeah.

901
00:51:59.579 --> 00:52:00.119
Oh, okay.

902
00:52:00.179 --> 00:52:03.000
Yeah, but he wrote that terrible TAS episode we did.

903
00:52:03.059 --> 00:52:04.260
Oh, yeah, yeah.

904
00:52:04.320 --> 00:52:04.679
Ben.

905
00:52:04.739 --> 00:52:05.219
No, I know.

906
00:52:06.840 --> 00:52:10.380
Oh, I just can't look at those ugly aliens anymore.

907
00:52:11.039 --> 00:52:14.519
There's some kind of sadness that they have.

908
00:52:14.579 --> 00:52:15.480
Do you know what I mean?

909
00:52:15.539 --> 00:52:18.000
Like they look, that's conveying something.

910
00:52:18.059 --> 00:52:19.500
Yes, look at them.

911
00:52:19.559 --> 00:52:20.639
Of course there's sadness.

912
00:52:20.699 --> 00:52:22.019
They look in the mirror every morning.

913
00:52:24.539 --> 00:52:27.840
Still recovering from having shaved this morning.

914
00:52:27.900 --> 00:52:29.699
Is there only 2 of them?

915
00:52:29.760 --> 00:52:30.840
Are they a race?

916
00:52:30.900 --> 00:52:32.940
Do they have a plan?

917
00:52:32.940 --> 00:52:34.619
No, no.

918
00:52:34.679 --> 00:52:35.340
Yeah.

919
00:52:35.400 --> 00:52:35.880
Yeah.

920
00:52:35.940 --> 00:52:38.820
And in a way, like, that's not the sort of thing that matters.

921
00:52:38.880 --> 00:52:39.659
Do you know what I mean?

922
00:52:39.719 --> 00:52:44.760
Eve, the central thing was really interesting and there was a mystery, we could cope with that.

923
00:52:44.820 --> 00:52:48.059
But because nothing makes any sense.

924
00:52:48.119 --> 00:52:52.440
So she's expected to now just sacrifice her life for him.

925
00:52:52.500 --> 00:52:54.719
And that's what they're waiting for her to do.

926
00:52:54.780 --> 00:52:55.980
Yes.

927
00:52:56.039 --> 00:52:58.500
That is the question she doesn't want to.

928
00:52:58.559 --> 00:53:04.500
But she does it anyway, and the poor actress hangs around for 8 hours whilst they apply the makeup.

929
00:53:04.559 --> 00:53:08.460
They paint the things on the face. face looks really, really nasty.

930
00:53:08.519 --> 00:53:11.760
It's got a massive wilt on his face.

931
00:53:11.820 --> 00:53:22.800
I think part of the problem too is that when we see her take on those wounds, I don't think it's immediately clear that then he's still dying.

932
00:53:22.860 --> 00:53:24.000
Do you know what I mean?

933
00:53:24.119 --> 00:53:30.960
That all she's taken is the visible part of his wounds, but he's still haemorrhaging, you know, like all his internal organs are haemorrhaging.

934
00:53:31.019 --> 00:53:34.920
And you kind of think, well, why that seems like a bad way of conveying that.

935
00:53:34.980 --> 00:53:36.420
Do you know what I mean?

936
00:53:36.480 --> 00:53:39.840
Like, you know, this is a visual medium.

937
00:53:39.900 --> 00:53:47.340
So visually it looks like she's taken on all his injuries and dealt with them, but then we're told in dialogue, no, that's not what's happened at all.

938
00:53:47.400 --> 00:53:51.119
And you kind of think, well, you know, like you can't even get tally right.

939
00:53:51.179 --> 00:53:55.619
That was a point there where you just did it with someone who doesn't watch Star Trek to walk in the room.

940
00:53:55.679 --> 00:54:05.159
She was fluttering her fingers over McCoy in that sort of interpretive dance way, whilst 2 enormous bum-headed aliens walked towards her.

941
00:54:05.159 --> 00:54:09.840
And Captain Kirk and Mr. Spock were caught in a gay ray at the back of the shot.

942
00:54:09.900 --> 00:54:11.280
I mean...

943
00:54:11.400 --> 00:54:16.440
They're having a little disco to themselves back there. bless them.

944
00:54:16.500 --> 00:54:17.940
So that's it now.

945
00:54:18.000 --> 00:54:18.539
He's all right.

946
00:54:18.599 --> 00:54:21.239
Now she's, yeah, it wasn't worth the 8 hours.

947
00:54:21.300 --> 00:54:22.800
It's all right, but it ain't...

948
00:54:22.800 --> 00:54:25.019
Oh, yeah, but like...

949
00:54:26.039 --> 00:54:27.360
But he's not all right.

950
00:54:27.480 --> 00:54:28.679
Like, he's not all right.

951
00:54:28.739 --> 00:54:29.460
Do you know what I mean?

952
00:54:29.519 --> 00:54:30.119
He's still dying.

953
00:54:30.179 --> 00:54:31.139
She hasn't fixed him.

954
00:54:31.199 --> 00:54:32.579
She's just taking those things off.

955
00:54:32.639 --> 00:54:33.239
Am I wrong?

956
00:54:33.300 --> 00:54:34.380
Did I misunderstand that?

957
00:54:34.440 --> 00:54:37.380
Oh, he still looks like he's in a bad way.

958
00:54:37.440 --> 00:54:45.780
Yeah, yeah, yeah, because that's not what, so what we saw and then what we get told happened, because she's not done.

959
00:54:45.840 --> 00:54:47.579
She's got to do more. you know what I mean?

960
00:54:47.639 --> 00:54:48.780
dead behind the eyes.

961
00:54:48.840 --> 00:54:50.340
That should be like, 0 no, there we go.

962
00:54:50.400 --> 00:54:53.820
She's come away from the makeup shot and then she's just sort of collapses inwards.

963
00:54:54.239 --> 00:54:54.719
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

964
00:54:54.780 --> 00:54:56.519
Yeah, yeah, yeah. pain.

965
00:54:56.880 --> 00:55:00.719
Oh, she's weeping now. sort of.

966
00:55:00.780 --> 00:55:01.739
God.

967
00:55:01.800 --> 00:55:03.179
Are they a mute racing?

968
00:55:03.360 --> 00:55:04.739
Yeah.

969
00:55:04.800 --> 00:55:05.400
Okay.

970
00:55:05.460 --> 00:55:07.500
But I mean, that's just shit.

971
00:55:07.559 --> 00:55:09.659
That's just, we don't want to write her down now.

972
00:55:09.719 --> 00:55:13.800
You just wouldn't do that now if it wasn't a mute actor, which is.

973
00:55:13.920 --> 00:55:18.119
Yeah, yeah, but also you, like, then it becomes about that.

974
00:55:18.179 --> 00:55:30.480
I mean, even in Star Trek, the Next Generation series 2, they have the deaf ambassador. you know, and it becomes about communication, that whole story. about finding ways to communicate with one another.

975
00:55:30.539 --> 00:55:32.039
Like it's a thing.

976
00:55:32.099 --> 00:55:33.840
She is afraid.

977
00:55:33.900 --> 00:55:35.099
Yes, she's dying.

978
00:55:35.159 --> 00:55:37.019
She is afraid.

979
00:55:37.079 --> 00:55:44.699
Yeah, but she's not allowed to do that, because if she doesn't save McCoy, we're not going to save her people.

980
00:55:44.760 --> 00:55:45.900
But none of that makes any sense.

981
00:55:46.380 --> 00:55:48.239
Why does that make sense?

982
00:55:48.840 --> 00:55:52.500
She's doing the Tarantella or something like on the floor.

983
00:55:52.619 --> 00:55:54.239
God, it's really bad, isn't it?

984
00:55:55.320 --> 00:55:57.539
Please help me.

985
00:55:57.780 --> 00:56:00.119
I deplore you.

986
00:56:00.960 --> 00:56:04.980
Oh Oh, there we go.

987
00:56:05.039 --> 00:56:08.400
Dr. McCoy's life is not solely dependent upon you.

988
00:56:08.460 --> 00:56:09.059
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

989
00:56:09.119 --> 00:56:10.079
You could fix him.

990
00:56:10.139 --> 00:56:10.980
You could do this.

991
00:56:11.039 --> 00:56:12.659
Where's your fucking compassion?

992
00:56:12.719 --> 00:56:15.300
Do you know any of compassion's so fucking great?

993
00:56:15.360 --> 00:56:16.800
Why are you standing there?

994
00:56:16.860 --> 00:56:19.380
You know, like not doing anything?

995
00:56:19.440 --> 00:56:21.179
But none of that?

996
00:56:21.239 --> 00:56:22.920
Like, even that doesn't make any sense?

997
00:56:24.239 --> 00:56:26.400
There are just far.

998
00:56:26.460 --> 00:56:33.000
There are other ways you can get people to display empathy without torturing people horribly, you know?

999
00:56:33.059 --> 00:56:34.920
It's baffling.

1000
00:56:34.980 --> 00:56:35.639
Yeah, yeah.

1001
00:56:35.699 --> 00:56:37.320
How much longer does this have to go?

1002
00:56:37.380 --> 00:56:48.059
Or put them in a situation where the pain and injury happens as the result of a story and not because, you know, these dipshits are doing it to them.

1003
00:56:48.719 --> 00:56:52.619
She just has no hope of giving any kind of a performance.

1004
00:56:52.619 --> 00:56:54.900
Because she hasn't made any sense.

1005
00:56:54.960 --> 00:56:58.739
No, she has no words, but nothing that happens here makes sense.

1006
00:56:59.639 --> 00:57:02.760
I'm surprised no one kissed her in the episode.

1007
00:57:02.820 --> 00:57:04.739
That's usually a given, TOS.

1008
00:57:06.000 --> 00:57:08.099
You know, it could be now.

1009
00:57:08.159 --> 00:57:10.199
Kiss me, Dr. McCoy.

1010
00:57:10.260 --> 00:57:11.519
Before I die.

1011
00:57:11.639 --> 00:57:13.380
Sacrifice myself for you.

1012
00:57:14.760 --> 00:57:16.559
Oh boy.

1013
00:57:16.739 --> 00:57:21.539
So he pushes her to the ground so that she doesn't save him.

1014
00:57:21.599 --> 00:57:24.659
Shatton is doing his best fucking...

1015
00:57:24.719 --> 00:57:27.360
She fell to the floor and did a sort of twirl around.

1016
00:57:27.420 --> 00:57:28.679
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1017
00:57:28.739 --> 00:57:30.000
Little interpretive dance well.

1018
00:57:30.059 --> 00:57:34.079
Shatner is doing some really top quality force field acting here.

1019
00:57:34.440 --> 00:57:44.639
I do like the solution and apparently, like, um, so it's a, uh, it's a force field that feeds off your emotions.

1020
00:57:44.639 --> 00:57:46.860
If you get emotional in it, it gets stronger.

1021
00:57:46.920 --> 00:57:51.960
And so obviously Spot can break out of it because he can control his emotions.

1022
00:57:52.019 --> 00:57:55.260
And so he actually see emotion, works that way.

1023
00:57:55.320 --> 00:57:58.019
Sorry, shitty force field works that way.

1024
00:57:58.139 --> 00:58:01.619
Oh, now now Kirk's out of the force field.

1025
00:58:01.679 --> 00:58:02.400
Now what's happening?

1026
00:58:02.460 --> 00:58:03.300
They're just on the ground.

1027
00:58:03.780 --> 00:58:06.780
Don't harm the masks.

1028
00:58:06.840 --> 00:58:08.039
We haven't finished it.

1029
00:58:11.820 --> 00:58:13.440
Oh boy.

1030
00:58:13.559 --> 00:58:15.780
Four minutes, my friend. nearly over.

1031
00:58:15.840 --> 00:58:17.099
Oh my god, please.

1032
00:58:20.159 --> 00:58:22.559
Yeah, so why won't they do it?

1033
00:58:22.619 --> 00:58:23.699
Why won't they do it?

1034
00:58:23.760 --> 00:58:25.260
If compassion is so big?

1035
00:58:25.380 --> 00:58:26.820
So it's such a big deal.

1036
00:58:26.880 --> 00:58:31.500
Why do they just expect a woman to have compassion and they don't have to?

1037
00:58:31.559 --> 00:58:32.699
Do you know what I mean?

1038
00:58:32.760 --> 00:58:33.719
Like, it's ridiculous.

1039
00:58:33.840 --> 00:58:35.159
No, they say, no, we're not going to help him.

1040
00:58:35.219 --> 00:58:36.840
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1041
00:58:36.900 --> 00:58:40.380
Oh, and so Spock says she offered her life, but McCoy said no.

1042
00:58:40.440 --> 00:58:43.199
And the, um, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1043
00:58:43.260 --> 00:58:48.480
Gem, oh, the right, the survival for her planet. the right for that sort of thing.

1044
00:58:48.599 --> 00:58:49.920
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1045
00:58:49.980 --> 00:58:51.059
It's just like save them.

1046
00:58:51.119 --> 00:58:52.139
Don't be dickheads.

1047
00:58:52.199 --> 00:59:00.780
Like, I'm going to put you through some torture tests. and if you survive or if you decide to kill yourself, I'll save everyone else on your planet, what's that?

1048
00:59:00.840 --> 00:59:01.619
Don be dickheads.

1049
00:59:01.679 --> 00:59:05.159
Imagine if that was what the, uh, like what the ambulance did.

1050
00:59:05.219 --> 00:59:06.059
Do you know what I mean?

1051
00:59:06.119 --> 00:59:09.119
Like, you're having a heart attack, the ambulance stones are.

1052
00:59:09.119 --> 00:59:10.260
To me that you're worth saving.

1053
00:59:10.320 --> 00:59:11.159
Can you forget?

1054
00:59:11.340 --> 00:59:11.699
right.

1055
00:59:11.760 --> 00:59:12.599
That's it.

1056
00:59:12.719 --> 00:59:14.820
I'm going to give you the trolly problem now.

1057
00:59:14.880 --> 00:59:15.059
Right.

1058
00:59:15.119 --> 00:59:16.079
You're going down a track.

1059
00:59:16.260 --> 00:59:19.079
My heart, my heart, please.

1060
00:59:20.699 --> 00:59:23.760
Sorry, though, don't wait before they gave me the answer.

1061
00:59:24.840 --> 00:59:26.820
Jesus Christ.

1062
00:59:26.880 --> 00:59:28.380
So stupid.

1063
00:59:28.500 --> 00:59:30.119
It's terrible.

1064
00:59:30.239 --> 00:59:32.039
I can't even remember how it ends now.

1065
00:59:32.099 --> 00:59:33.179
Did they just change their minds?

1066
00:59:33.239 --> 00:59:35.880
No, they've just changed their minds now.

1067
00:59:35.940 --> 00:59:36.719
Everything's fine.

1068
00:59:36.780 --> 00:59:44.699
She's lying on the floor because that's where she has the most agency just absolutely lying in the middle of the floor in this scene for no reason.

1069
00:59:44.760 --> 00:59:46.920
Like he nearly treads on her.

1070
00:59:46.980 --> 00:59:48.420
So now what's happening?

1071
00:59:48.480 --> 00:59:50.579
So they saved McCoy and then what?

1072
00:59:50.639 --> 00:59:52.619
They send her back and save her people the end.

1073
00:59:52.679 --> 00:59:53.340
Apparently.

1074
00:59:53.400 --> 00:59:54.420
Yeah, okay.

1075
00:59:54.420 --> 00:59:55.500
We know nothing about.

1076
00:59:55.500 --> 00:59:57.780
No, we don't care about.

1077
00:59:57.840 --> 01:00:00.179
I mean, please.

1078
01:00:00.239 --> 01:00:07.260
Curtisman Trek is just open for us to visit that planet at some point where they all nobody talks any words.

1079
01:00:07.920 --> 01:00:09.719
Interesting.

1080
01:00:09.780 --> 01:00:16.500
I love this bit where the vines just, like they just get little, like they just vanish into the distance and they just get minuscule.

1081
01:00:16.559 --> 01:00:17.699
Whee.

1082
01:00:17.699 --> 01:00:20.820
Oh, and they do a pull back on the actors.

1083
01:00:20.880 --> 01:00:25.199
Yeah, yeah, that long shot of them from, you know, from high up is great.

1084
01:00:25.260 --> 01:00:27.119
Now here we are for the crap joke.

1085
01:00:27.179 --> 01:00:29.039
The set went back further than our thought.

1086
01:00:29.099 --> 01:00:30.599
I told you they were.

1087
01:00:30.659 --> 01:00:31.739
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1088
01:00:31.800 --> 01:00:32.820
I thought it was really good.

1089
01:00:32.880 --> 01:00:37.380
Obviously, the radiation on the Ritter scale has been gone now.

1090
01:00:37.500 --> 01:00:38.039
Calm down now.

1091
01:00:38.099 --> 01:00:38.760
Yeah, yeah.

1092
01:00:38.820 --> 01:00:39.360
Yeah.

1093
01:00:39.420 --> 01:00:40.980
The John Ritter scale it is.

1094
01:00:41.039 --> 01:00:43.019
I'm not puzzled with Spuck.

1095
01:00:43.079 --> 01:00:43.739
I'm awed.

1096
01:00:43.800 --> 01:00:45.539
Oh my god.

1097
01:00:45.599 --> 01:00:47.519
I'm with you, Captain.

1098
01:00:47.639 --> 01:00:48.659
She awed me.

1099
01:00:48.719 --> 01:00:49.739
Yeah, I bet she did.

1100
01:00:51.719 --> 01:00:53.639
Fuck you.

1101
01:00:54.059 --> 01:00:57.480
I just didn't even know what this scene is about.

1102
01:00:57.539 --> 01:01:02.340
And like then they're bitchy to Spock for no reason and then Spock's kind of snarky back to them.

1103
01:01:03.119 --> 01:01:08.400
Scotty creating the Bible here for no reason. he wasn't even fucking there.

1104
01:01:08.460 --> 01:01:12.960
Don't you know the story of the merchant, which is in the Bible, but we're not going to mention that.

1105
01:01:12.960 --> 01:01:16.739
It's just a story about the merchant, and it's a really boring story.

1106
01:01:16.800 --> 01:01:18.300
He found a pearl.

1107
01:01:18.360 --> 01:01:19.739
He thought it was really good.

1108
01:01:19.800 --> 01:01:23.099
So he sold everything that he had, and then he bought the pearl.

1109
01:01:23.159 --> 01:01:26.760
That's the story. and it's like not really a story, is it?

1110
01:01:26.820 --> 01:01:28.380
Fuck has that got to do with any of this?

1111
01:01:28.440 --> 01:01:29.760
That's what I was saying.

1112
01:01:29.760 --> 01:01:31.199
She's the pearl of great price.

1113
01:01:31.260 --> 01:01:33.420
That's why, anyway, I don't care.

1114
01:01:33.480 --> 01:01:39.719
It's so stupid Oh, and was a good old-fashioned emotion that they valued the most, like, what's this?

1115
01:01:39.840 --> 01:01:42.840
and oh, now let's make fun of Spock for not having emotions.

1116
01:01:42.900 --> 01:01:47.460
Let's all 3 of some mediocre white men gang out about this.

1117
01:01:47.519 --> 01:01:49.139
Yeah.

1118
01:01:49.139 --> 01:01:51.480
Could you be prevailed upon to bring them the news?

1119
01:01:52.860 --> 01:01:58.320
And then he says, oh, I'll give it all the consideration it's due, you hairy, smelly dipshit.

1120
01:01:58.380 --> 01:02:00.599
You should just give him the fingers swarms off.

1121
01:02:00.659 --> 01:02:01.679
Yeah, that's right.

1122
01:02:01.739 --> 01:02:03.360
Fuck you, guys.

1123
01:02:03.360 --> 01:02:05.460
Produced by Freddie Freiberg.

1124
01:02:05.519 --> 01:02:06.900
Thanks, Freddie.

1125
01:02:06.960 --> 01:02:08.940
They didn't even do the laugh.

1126
01:02:09.000 --> 01:02:10.139
Look, they're so half-hearted.

1127
01:02:10.199 --> 01:02:15.059
They sort of just smirk. that's so bad Oh, dear my God.

1128
01:02:15.059 --> 01:02:15.719
Okay.

1129
01:02:15.780 --> 01:02:16.619
Do you know what?

1130
01:02:16.679 --> 01:02:18.480
On reflection, it's really shit.

1131
01:02:19.860 --> 01:02:22.440
That's really shocking.

1132
01:02:22.500 --> 01:02:25.559
I mean, it's a thing that we've said before, isn't it?

1133
01:02:25.619 --> 01:02:28.079
Like, sometimes when you tune into TOS.

1134
01:02:28.139 --> 01:02:32.340
It's astoundingly brilliant, like extraordinary stuff.

1135
01:02:32.340 --> 01:02:34.320
Really, really brilliant.

1136
01:02:34.380 --> 01:02:35.940
Yeah, yeah, amazing.

1137
01:02:36.000 --> 01:02:45.659
And then sometimes it's like it's been written by people who've never seen television before or kind of, you know, like don't know how drama works in any way.

1138
01:02:45.719 --> 01:02:50.159
And like that was baffling, like just bafflingly terrible.

1139
01:02:50.280 --> 01:02:55.440
And just a complete failure to give a shit about what's going on in the script.

1140
01:02:55.500 --> 01:02:57.480
It's outrageously bad.

1141
01:02:57.539 --> 01:02:58.800
Like just terrible.

1142
01:02:58.860 --> 01:03:01.260
You know, Freiburger did the last pass on the script.

1143
01:03:01.320 --> 01:03:05.280
I wonder if he came in and said, you know, all that dialogue you've given that woman. cut it.

1144
01:03:05.340 --> 01:03:09.420
You know, like, We're not giving lines to women.

1145
01:03:09.480 --> 01:03:11.579
She can just emote all over the screen.

1146
01:03:11.639 --> 01:03:14.519
Yeah, it is a bit confusing.

1147
01:03:14.579 --> 01:03:17.940
Why do you think then that all of those people that love it?

1148
01:03:18.000 --> 01:03:18.960
Love it.

1149
01:03:19.019 --> 01:03:22.380
Do you think they think they're reading stuff into it that we're not seeing?

1150
01:03:22.440 --> 01:03:29.340
They are reading stuff into it, and I think that you can construct an episode that is doing something.

1151
01:03:29.400 --> 01:03:39.239
But, you know, it's that made up on the spot kind of quality that it has where most of the episode doesn't contribute to any of that at all.

1152
01:03:39.239 --> 01:03:46.800
And the stuff about compassion and empathy, even though it's in the title really only kind of occurs in the last 15 minutes or so.

1153
01:03:46.860 --> 01:04:09.059
And it just has all of the kind of Star Trek, like you have to kind of admit that those Star Trek tropes are a bit shitty and a bit half-assed, you know, just the number of episodes that involve an omnipotent alien entity testing in some way because that turns out that that's just incredibly lazy.

1154
01:04:09.179 --> 01:04:16.260
Like try and think of a thing that happens, a situation that occurs, that tests our character.

1155
01:04:16.320 --> 01:04:17.699
That's interesting.

1156
01:04:17.760 --> 01:04:23.579
But just having bum headed aliens kind of declare that they're doing it, that's super boring and bad.

1157
01:04:23.639 --> 01:04:26.400
And like I said, within the episode itself.

1158
01:04:26.460 --> 01:04:40.920
There was the possibility for those 3 intelligent characters to figure out what this fucking episode was about without the bum-headed aliens, you know, 10 minutes before the end, half-heartedly.

1159
01:04:40.980 --> 01:04:42.119
They're not even that bothered.

1160
01:04:42.179 --> 01:04:43.679
It's not even packaged as a twist.

1161
01:04:43.739 --> 01:04:47.639
It's just them going, this is what this has all been about, Captain Kirk.

1162
01:04:47.699 --> 01:04:48.659
Not about you at all.

1163
01:04:48.719 --> 01:04:51.420
You know, you could have had a great, It's not about us.

1164
01:04:51.539 --> 01:04:55.260
It's about her, you know, like, this crash zoom on Captain.

1165
01:04:55.320 --> 01:04:56.039
I know, just something.

1166
01:04:56.159 --> 01:04:58.380
Some kind of progression of a plot.

1167
01:04:58.440 --> 01:05:19.139
I certainly think just the massive laziness of the discovery that at the end, they already knew that there were lots of inhabited planets that were under threat here, but no one thought to mention it to us, the audience earlier on, and that changes the whole situation and changes like how does this mission make sense in these circumstances?

1168
01:05:19.199 --> 01:05:20.340
Do you know what I mean?

1169
01:05:20.400 --> 01:05:24.480
Why do we have no compassion or worry about saving these people?

1170
01:05:24.599 --> 01:05:26.519
Like, there's just nothing there.

1171
01:05:26.579 --> 01:05:36.840
It's like a murder mystery where the killer is revealed to be somebody we've never met before and hasn't been referenced in the story and we're supposed to go, wow, God, really?

1172
01:05:36.900 --> 01:05:39.360
That's what a twist. amazing.

1173
01:05:39.420 --> 01:05:43.920
Like I said, they made this shit up on the day on the same.

1174
01:05:44.039 --> 01:05:44.460
Yeah.

1175
01:06:38.519 --> 01:06:42.840
All right, it's the end of the episode, and it's time for us to find out where we're going next.

1176
01:06:42.900 --> 01:06:48.900
I chose the empath this time, and so that means it's your turn.

1177
01:06:48.960 --> 01:06:51.360
Joe, to choose from some other series.

1178
01:06:51.420 --> 01:06:53.280
Tell us what we're in for.

1179
01:06:53.639 --> 01:06:56.519
Well, I've got a bit of surprise for.

1180
01:06:56.639 --> 01:06:59.519
Because, you know, we sort of determined.

1181
01:06:59.579 --> 01:07:03.900
Perhaps it would be fun to do TOS to TAS.

1182
01:07:04.019 --> 01:07:05.039
Oh, okay.

1183
01:07:05.039 --> 01:07:09.239
But actually, I've decided, no, we're not going to do the animated series.

1184
01:07:10.139 --> 01:07:14.579
I can't handle that much shit from the 60s straight 70s.

1185
01:07:14.639 --> 01:07:21.059
So instead, we're going to skip across to the other, our favourite animated series, Star Trek Lower Decks.

1186
01:07:21.119 --> 01:07:22.500
Brilliant. excellent.

1187
01:07:22.559 --> 01:07:23.099
Let's do that.

1188
01:07:23.159 --> 01:07:26.940
Where we can be guaranteed a good time. absolutely.

1189
01:07:27.059 --> 01:07:29.639
Here I go.

1190
01:07:29.699 --> 01:07:31.800
It's season five.

1191
01:07:32.039 --> 01:07:35.699
Yes, I haven't I haven't watched any of season five.

1192
01:07:35.760 --> 01:07:40.920
Season five, episode seven, fully dilated.

1193
01:07:40.980 --> 01:07:44.400
Oh, this is really good.

1194
01:07:44.460 --> 01:07:46.260
It's really good.

1195
01:07:46.320 --> 01:07:47.579
I really like this one.

1196
01:07:47.639 --> 01:07:49.019
It's very strange.

1197
01:07:49.079 --> 01:07:56.099
Um, so they they go down to a planet where time passes much more slowly for them.

1198
01:07:56.159 --> 01:08:03.179
And I think, I think there's a plot where Tendi and Talin are having some kind of competition.

1199
01:08:03.239 --> 01:08:09.059
Like they're being competitive about who gets to be sort of a chief science officer and stuff.

1200
01:08:09.119 --> 01:08:11.340
Um, is there's a senior science officer thing.

1201
01:08:11.340 --> 01:08:19.199
And so Tendian Talina kind of competing with one another, and Tendi's kind of losing her shit a little bit, which is the thing that Tandy does.

1202
01:08:19.260 --> 01:08:37.619
So it's Tandy Mariner and Talin, and they're down on this planet, and the planet is very kind of like a kind of farm planet or whatever, and a huge amount of time passes down on the planet while they're all up on the Cerritos, kind of waiting for them to, you know, try and get them back or whatever.

1203
01:08:37.680 --> 01:08:39.180
I can't remember the details.

1204
01:08:39.239 --> 01:08:40.859
I've only seen it once, but I did enjoy it.

1205
01:08:40.979 --> 01:08:43.680
Sounds like blink of an eye from Voyager.

1206
01:08:43.739 --> 01:08:45.720
Yeah, yeah, a little bit like Blink of an eye.

1207
01:08:45.779 --> 01:08:48.119
It's a similar kind of premise.

1208
01:08:48.180 --> 01:08:53.699
I'm sure it'll be blink of an eye, but with emotional consequences for the characters involved.

1209
01:08:53.760 --> 01:08:54.600
Yeah, yeah.

1210
01:08:54.600 --> 01:08:55.859
That sounds what?

1211
01:08:55.920 --> 01:08:56.579
do you know what?

1212
01:08:56.640 --> 01:09:01.500
I mean, I haven't touched season 5 at all. and I'm really intrigued to see what they do there.

1213
01:09:01.560 --> 01:09:03.300
Yeah, let's do it.

1214
01:09:03.359 --> 01:09:03.960
Brilliant.

1215
01:09:11.399 --> 01:09:23.640
You've been listening to untitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford and Nathan Bottomley, where online at Untitled Star Trek Project.com, where you can find subscription links and links to our social media accounts.

1216
01:09:23.699 --> 01:09:29.579
Now, podcast artworkers by Kayla Ciceran, and the theme was composed by Cameron Lamb.

1217
01:09:29.640 --> 01:09:35.399
This episode was recorded on the 6th of May 2025 and released on the 9th of May.

1218
01:09:35.460 --> 01:09:39.539
We'll see you next time for Star Trek Lower Decks, fully dilated.

1219
01:09:55.920 --> 01:09:58.079
Well, first time out the bag.

1220
01:09:58.140 --> 01:09:59.640
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1221
01:09:59.699 --> 01:10:00.420
Yeah.

1222
01:10:00.479 --> 01:10:01.680
That's really fun.

1223
01:10:01.739 --> 01:10:04.140
There's some really great ones like towards the end.

1224
01:10:04.199 --> 01:10:06.119
Oh, no, look what the 2nd one would have been.

1225
01:10:06.180 --> 01:10:07.260
Keshon.

1226
01:10:07.319 --> 01:10:08.100
His eyes open.

1227
01:10:08.159 --> 01:10:10.020
I'm serious too.

1228
01:10:10.020 --> 01:10:13.260
Because they should do about Boimler.

1229
01:10:13.319 --> 01:10:14.760
Oh my god, these titles are great.

1230
01:10:14.819 --> 01:10:17.520
The next one after that is upper decks.

1231
01:10:21.060 --> 01:10:22.859
It's just come up.

1232
01:10:22.920 --> 01:10:24.180
I'm pressing the bar.

1233
01:10:24.239 --> 01:10:24.779
Let's just come up.

1234
01:10:24.840 --> 01:10:32.100
So Arpadex is the episode where we get to see what the show looks like from the point of view of the characters on the bridge.

1235
01:10:32.159 --> 01:10:41.939
And because, you know, lower decks is what happens to the lower deck is in a series where we normally follow the senior staff.

1236
01:10:42.000 --> 01:10:49.140
And so it's all about Shacks and Taana and, uh, you know, Freeman and Ransom and who else?

1237
01:10:49.199 --> 01:10:51.899
I can't remember Miglimo probably.

1238
01:10:52.800 --> 01:10:54.659
Yeah, yeah.

1239
01:10:54.720 --> 01:10:56.100
I've just pressed it again.

1240
01:10:56.159 --> 01:10:58.619
I cannot believe the nerve, some of these titles.

1241
01:10:58.859 --> 01:11:02.460
The best exotic Nanite hotel.

1242
01:11:03.000 --> 01:11:04.859
Silly, yeah.

1243
01:11:05.699 --> 01:11:08.640
Oh, look, it's one about Troy, look.

1244
01:11:08.699 --> 01:11:10.500
Empathological fallacies.

1245
01:11:10.560 --> 01:11:34.319
Oh, no, that's the one where the, is that the one where the, um, all of the, it's like, it's like a bunch of women, it's like the women from Sex in the City come on board the sheep and they're all, but they're all kind of, um, it's not literally the women, but they're like that and they all come on board and they're all betazoids and everyone goes crazy and Talin assumes it's her because she's got, you know, Bendy syndrome or whatever the hell.

1246
01:11:34.439 --> 01:11:39.600
What's the thing that what's the thing that Sarat gets and she thinks that she's sending everyone mad?

1247
01:11:39.659 --> 01:11:43.020
It's the um, it's the betasaur. what's this one called?

1248
01:11:43.079 --> 01:11:47.579
The next one is called The Inner Fight.

1249
01:11:47.640 --> 01:11:49.079
Fuck sake.

1250
01:11:50.460 --> 01:11:52.140
Oh my god.

1251
01:11:52.199 --> 01:11:54.000
There's one called Moist Vessel.

1252
01:11:54.060 --> 01:11:56.340
Oh, that's a great episode.

1253
01:11:57.359 --> 01:11:59.460
That's a really good one.

1254
01:12:00.359 --> 01:12:01.979
Here we go.

1255
01:12:02.039 --> 01:12:05.880
You remember while we were complaining the other day that the Enterprise, you know, Countdown.

1256
01:12:05.939 --> 01:12:06.720
It was all very boring.

1257
01:12:06.840 --> 01:12:09.060
Of gods and angles.

1258
01:12:09.119 --> 01:12:10.439
That's great.

1259
01:12:10.500 --> 01:12:12.420
That's series 4, isn't it?

1260
01:12:12.479 --> 01:12:16.079
Oh, there's one on the ship because there's a god on the ship.

1261
01:12:16.140 --> 01:12:20.460
And I think it's the god from the who mourns from Adonis episode, actually.

1262
01:12:20.520 --> 01:12:23.460
Like, it's a... one that's just called caves.

1263
01:12:23.520 --> 01:12:25.979
Is it all about stock cave set number 52.

1264
01:12:26.100 --> 01:12:26.880
It's good.

1265
01:12:27.000 --> 01:12:27.960
It's so good.

1266
01:12:28.020 --> 01:12:29.819
Do you remember the episode?

1267
01:12:29.880 --> 01:12:34.140
Do you remember the episode with the shape shifting guy who was an octopus?

1268
01:12:34.199 --> 01:12:36.359
The, the, um...

1269
01:12:36.359 --> 01:12:50.699
It's the, the animated series episode where it turns out that this person is actually really just a sort of orange octopus that can do shape shifting and so the case...

1270
01:12:51.359 --> 01:12:54.239
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, let me just...

1271
01:12:54.300 --> 01:12:55.619
You think I would remember that, wouldn't you?

1272
01:12:56.159 --> 01:12:58.319
No, we definitely did it.

1273
01:12:59.399 --> 01:13:03.539
Untitled Star Trek Project slash T-AS.

1274
01:13:04.500 --> 01:13:07.439
The more I press the spot, the more I'm laughing.

1275
01:13:07.500 --> 01:13:12.899
So it's called the survivor, and it's a shapeshifting red octopus.

1276
01:13:13.380 --> 01:13:15.420
Here's what I wrote.

1277
01:13:15.479 --> 01:13:28.319
This week, crudely drawn, slow moving simulator of the Enterprise crew interact listlessly in a crudely drawn, slow moving simulator of Star Trek, except for the shapeshifting red octopus, which is awesome.

1278
01:13:28.380 --> 01:13:35.399
Meanwhile, Joe drops £2 50 renting a Star Trek episode whose budget was nearly 10 times that.

1279
01:13:35.399 --> 01:13:42.960
But this is, honey, you're not going to be able to see it.

1280
01:13:43.020 --> 01:13:47.579
But it's like a person who survived a thing, but it turns out they're shapeshifting octopus.

1281
01:13:47.640 --> 01:13:52.140
Caves is this thing that is run by shapeshifting octopuses of that kind.

1282
01:13:52.140 --> 01:13:53.340
They're all in it.

1283
01:13:53.399 --> 01:14:06.960
And everyone tells these stories about being in caves in Stockcave Set one, and they're all set in redressed versions of the cave set, but in the meantime, it's all a big test being run by the octopus is also in a set of caves.

1284
01:14:07.020 --> 01:14:10.979
It's really, really clever and really kind of odd and inventive.

1285
01:14:11.039 --> 01:14:12.659
It's like formally very strange.

1286
01:14:12.720 --> 01:14:13.619
I really liked it.

1287
01:14:13.680 --> 01:14:15.779
I wonder we love lower decks so much.

1288
01:14:15.840 --> 01:14:21.180
They're just absolutely in tune with all the things we mock when we watch not these drag, aren't they?

1289
01:14:21.300 --> 01:14:24.119
I think that's the title...

1290
01:14:24.119 --> 01:14:27.600
It's called Starbase 80, question mark, exclamation mark.

1291
01:14:27.720 --> 01:14:30.600
I don't know why it's got all the punctuation at the end.

1292
01:14:30.659 --> 01:14:48.119
So Starbase 80 is a bad episode is like the bad place and it's where it's where Mariner gets sent when she, like there's an episode where she gets kicked off the ship and reassigned to Starbase 80 and it's awful in Starbase 80.

1293
01:14:48.239 --> 01:15:03.420
And in fact, Starbase 80 becomes important at the end of series 5 and that's where um, uh, Carol and her husband end up being stationed, it kind of becomes the new Deep Space 9 in the final episode is Starbase 80.

1294
01:15:03.600 --> 01:15:04.140
It's very cool.

1295
01:15:04.199 --> 01:15:05.399
Yeah, it's a running thing.

1296
01:15:05.399 --> 01:15:06.659
An embarrassment of duples.

1297
01:15:06.720 --> 01:15:08.460
That's another great title. episode.

1298
01:15:08.520 --> 01:15:09.659
You remember that episode?

1299
01:15:09.720 --> 01:15:13.500
Oh, no, look, they're taking a piss out of a call to arms.

1300
01:15:13.560 --> 01:15:14.819
A farewell to farms.

1301
01:15:14.880 --> 01:15:15.779
Yeah, yeah.

1302
01:15:16.020 --> 01:15:19.380
Well, there's a thing called a farewell to arms as well.

1303
01:15:20.340 --> 01:15:22.380
Strange energies.

1304
01:15:22.439 --> 01:15:24.960
I mean, that could be any Star Trek episode, couldn't it?

1305
01:15:25.020 --> 01:15:31.560
I still think we'll always have Tom Paris, I think, is absolute genius.

1306
01:15:31.619 --> 01:15:34.199
Two Vix is pretty great as well.

1307
01:15:34.260 --> 01:15:34.979
Yeah, yeah, yeah.