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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So, we're back aboard the Enterprise D for an episode of Star Trek

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the Next Generation.

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This is the Drumhead, series 4, episode 21, written by Jerry

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Taylor, which I think is kind of interesting and directed by

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Jonathan Frakes when he could still keep the camera still from

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time to time.

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Oh, wonderful.

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Now I could see all the actors very clearly when they were

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talking.

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Now, fun fact, we're recording today on the 29th of April, 2025

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and this 1st aired in the US on the 29th of April, 1991.

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So it's 34 years ago today that this 1st aired.

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Happy birthday, Admiral Satay.

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So I think that this is a pretty great episode.

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It is very, very Star Trek the Next Generation.

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There's no real other series that could do this, but the trial is

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a thing that we do in Star Trek quite a lot.

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We haven't covered any trials yet, and there are 100s of the

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bloody things in 90s track.

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The most recent one that I did, I think, was series 2, episode 2

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of Strange New Worlds, which is called, I think it's called Per

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Asperaad Astra, and it's incredibly moving and absolutely

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brilliant and has an incredible guest turn from Una's defence

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lawyer, a really, really great performance.

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And then you think about things like measure of a man with

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Commander Maddox, who is so memorable that he came back in Picard

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played by someone else entirely. from DS9 in series.

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A massive engagement from series four.

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Oh we have done one.

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It was a light trial, but it was a trial all the same.

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We did Death Wish, didn't we?

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Oh, that's a try.

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It was done in the same sort of format.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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That's true.

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And there's that terrible one in early Voyager where Tom Paris has

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been accused of...

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Oh, shit, yeah.

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Yeah, um, ex-post-facto. facto.

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That's exactly it with the strange bird people with the sort of

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horrible bird feathers over.

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He's forced to relive the crime over and over again for a series

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of noirish flashbacks. exactly it.

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That's exactly it.

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I think there's a dog that gives that one away.

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I can't remember.

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Maybe this is kind of the best one.

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No that's a ridiculous thing to say.

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This and the 1st duty.

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Because that's a, is an injury, but it's a, it's still done in the

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same source structure.

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Yeah, that's true.

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That's true.

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Like, I think this is really great.

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And I think it's one of the great guest performances on Star Trek

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the Next Generation. without doubt.

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Yeah, yeah, without a doubt.

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I think she's really magnificent.

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So this is Gene Simmons, who had a massive career.

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She was born in, in 1929, which means she's in her early 60s

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terrifyingly in this episode and...

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Startlingly beautiful. stunning.

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Absolute movie starlet looks.

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Yeah, gorgeous.

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Oh, yeah.

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I mean, she's still very beautiful in this, but in a, you know, in

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a mature way.

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You actually directed me to a picture of Gene Roddenbury and her

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which must have been at about the time this was shot, and she does

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look stunningly beautiful.

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She just looks, you know, you can see in her face the way she

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looked as a woman.

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They are gazing adoringly in each other's eyes, aren't they?

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Yeah, really?

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Gene and Jean are gazing at the orange.

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Yeah, exactly.

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The 2 jeans.

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So she's magnificent.

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And I, watching it this time, found the way that her character was

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presented was really, really interesting because, um, you know

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obviously the the most obvious antecedent here is the crucible

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isn't it?

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Yeah.

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Where it's looking at a tendency to construct conspiracies and to

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pursue enemies in sort of inside an organisation and the way that

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sort of spirals out of control and turns into accusation after

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accusation.

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And there's obvious reasons for, you know, for the crucible, having

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the themes that it does, Arthur Miller was not permitted to travel

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to the UK to see the premiere of the crucible, because he was

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writing it in the midst of all that McCarthyist hysteria.

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And while now America is, you know, locking people up and accusing

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people and doing all sorts of things.

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It's hard to draw a line between that and what's happening here.

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There isn't really a kind of reason given. why this happens as

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well.

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Like, like, into cruiseball, things like that.

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It's very often like people seizing power by pointing the finger

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or diverting attention from what they're doing by pointing the

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finger.

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Whereas there isn't a through line in this, is there?

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There isn't like an ultimate...

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Okay, I'm accusing you of this, so I can do this.

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Yeah.

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It's just that she's rampantly paranoid.

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And, well, I mean, I believe she genuinely believes.

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What is she saying?

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Yeah.

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I think it is in her character.

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And I think that the way that she's presented.

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It's perhaps not sufficient to justify the kind of rampage that

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she goes on.

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But even like quite early on.

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She's a she's a psycho.

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And it's very clear from the way that she interacts with everyone

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that there's something seriously wrong with her.

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And, you know, the way that her downfall is obviously her daddy

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issues, you know, the moment that Picard quotes her father and

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suggests that her father wouldn't have approved of her.

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Ah, see, that...

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She gets out scene, did they?

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Yeah, that's an extraordinary scene, an amazing performance by

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Simmons, and that's how she's brought down.

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But there's nothing systemic behind this.

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Although, like, we were we were absolutely mock the scene where

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she says her backstory about the debates that her father falls her

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you know, so it sounds like it was a very sort of regimented

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upbringing.

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So in a way, she's a victim because she's been twisted to be the

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way that she is.

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I mean, she seems like she has some kind of borderline personality

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disorder, and we'll talk about that going through.

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I think she's really like a piece of work.

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I love that though.

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It's very uncomfortable how she's very charming one minute. utterly

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ice cold for next.

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Yeah, which is precisely her modus operandi.

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Exactly, you know, what I kind of want to identify.

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Most as if it's to throw people off, you know?

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But I also think that it's just she's weirdly damaged and a bit of

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a psycho.

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The other thing that I think is really great.

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And it's because it's Jerry Taylor, that she kind of knows the

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show.

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And so we get all of these back references, like once we put

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Picard on the stand, we start critiquing his behaviour in the

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previous episode.

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In a way that this show so rarely does.

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It never looks back and says, well, why the hell did you do that?

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was very...

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I said to actually before, DSI does it a lot.

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It looks back, old plot points will make no sense.

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The writers go, well, let's do something with that.

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Let's accuse Bashir of being a spy.

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And it is only one scene and nothing comes of it, really.

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No.

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But I'm so pleased it was there because Picard squirms in that

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chair.

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He's got no answers, you know?

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How many people died, 11,000?

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Oh, fuck, you know, like, yeah.

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What could I possibly say at this point?

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And it's great too, because it kind of rewards us for watching.

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Like it, it was a fun thing.

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It was the 1st time that we saw that sort of thing happened

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outside of the fact that, you know, episodes occasionally had

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sequels that we had.

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My name is so good.

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Can't they identify that moment's good and go, we should do more.

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We should do more of that.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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But I think, you know, because I think Jerry Taylor is pretty

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great as well.

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And I think the fact that the person who comes on board and

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conducts the investigation, the fact that she's a woman, I think

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is almost certainly down to Jerry Taylor and it's a really, really

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great choice, I think.

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It would have been duller otherwise.

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And for once, they've stepped back from that and gone, let's not

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bring in, you know, a soap opera actor to play that role.

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Let's bring in someone really good, you know, he's going to make

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everyone sit up and pay it.

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What I really liked about this as well was the structure of it.

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Because the 1st 3rd of this, even though you are right, you you

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start to have feelings about Admiral Satay very early in the

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episode. and how she's behaving.

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But she's generally very amiable in that 1st third.

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And it just seems like your sort of standard TNG.

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Something's happened on the ship.

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There's sort of political ramifications.

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We're doing the investigation.

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We're having a light trial.

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We sort of know where it's going.

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Somewhere in the middle of the episode.

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You get that feeling in the pit of your gut that something is

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going wrong.

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Suddenly, fingers are being pointed in every single direction.

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And then by the end of it, there is a, there is a genuinely thick

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atmosphere of paranoia and disquiet about this that you don't

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often get with TNG.

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Like, Tinge don't usually make me squirm in my seat when I'm

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watching it.

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But when Simon Tarsis is being interrogated about his Romulan

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heritage.

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You know, I was really uncomfortable watching it.

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I think this is a bit of a minor classic, but I do think I sent

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you a message saying that like this, in no way is this television

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really, is it?

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I mean, this could be on the stage in how it's shot.

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Like, it's basically all done in one room, technically.

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Um, and it does suffer from a couple of TNG cliches that we will

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laugh at throughout the episode.

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It's still TNG.

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It's still very TNG of the period, I think.

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But that's not a bad thing.

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Season 4 of TNG is pretty damn great.

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The halcyon days of the next generation.

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Exactly.

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Well, should we watch the halcyon days?

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I think we should.

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I will count as in. 5, 4, 3, 2, one, and we're off.

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You know, I did wonder, Nathan, because it's obviously it's called

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the drum howl.

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What the hell's that all about?

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Thank you, Captain Picard.

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Explaining it.

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So I did look it up.

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Sometimes it gets called a kangaroo court as well, which, I don't

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know, that seems racist to me, but it, you know, it's like

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shockingly brutal punishment, what characterised it too.

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So this is Judan, who is wearing a very natty kind of suede

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outfit.

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He looks pretty great.

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Is this pre or post redemption?

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This is pre-redemption, is it?

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It's pre-redemption because we actually have, because redemption

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is maybe 5 episodes away. towards the end of series.

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Oh, is that right?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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This is four, isn't it?

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Yeah.

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Yeah, and redemption, that's right.

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Redemption is the next is the next cliffhanger.

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I mean, it's definitely post best of both worlds, isn't it?

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Oh, yeah, yeah.

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There's a conversation with Judan and Wharf having the turbo lift

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about it, which I think is really good where Judan says, yeah, your

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name isn't spoken of.

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And I think that's part of the misdirect here.

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So we start with this trial or this inquiry, which is very low

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key.

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It only has Deanna and it's telling that it has Deanna, right?

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Oh, this is so great.

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This is so good.

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So Deanna's there and Saban is, remember, Sates offsider is also a

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beta Zed.

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But a betazoid.

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But the thing is, of course, that down is a shit beta soy.

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She's heartless.

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She goes lying.

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Well, I'm not too sure.

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She goes, he is hiding something, but I'm not sure what.

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Well, thank you, Deanna, for your contribution.

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And to this episode.

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Goodbye.

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We won that too.

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What, I loved it because, you know, how you and I, we always talk

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about how sort of DS9 is the show that has running continuity and

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things like that.

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I couldn't believe how much of this episode was built out of

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established God.

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So this scene with Warf in a minute, talking about his

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discommendation, obviously we've already spoke about the

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consequences of the best of both world.

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Obviously, we did the neutral zone the other day when the Romulans

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come back and they're a massive threat from that point on.

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And that is Simon Tarsus's lineage.

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There's loads of it in here.

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This is great, isn't it?

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Wharf beats the shit out of him.

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Do you know, I've got to say no, Nathan.

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I really, after watching how amazing he looks in DS9, his hair in

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these mid-seasons.

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It's still better than his terrible season one here, to be fair.

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Like this is probably, you know...

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This is sort of his teenage hippie face. where it's starting to

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become acceptable, I think, and from here on, it only improves.

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And again, you know, my theory.

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So we go to the opening credits with literally no hint of what the

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episode's going to be about, but it does look like it's going to

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be about this investigation into Japan.

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And so I like that, though.

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For once it's sort of lulling you into a full sense.

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Yeah, exactly.

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We've not even met Admiral Satay.

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No.

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Yeah, we don't know that it's about her.

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And so it looks like business as usual.

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It does look like a normal episode of Star Trek the Next

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Generation that gets derailed by the appearance of Settee, which I

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think is really good.

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We like normal episodes of Star Trek the Next Generation.

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We do.

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It's an even better one than that.

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And I quit very quickly before she turns up, just address the poor

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costume that they put admirals.

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Gene Simmons in.

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So she has 3 costumes.

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I know, but all of them are very cumbersome and she sort of floats

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around the place as if she's got no legs and she can't really move

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her body either in a particularly believable way.

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So it suggests that she's sort of behaving in quite a wooden way.

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Watch her.

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It might be the outfit.

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Stuck in what position?

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all of the time And yet, you know, the dialogue, but she's

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delivery.

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She's given a proper...

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I just wish they'd given a better costume to wear.

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She looks uncomfortable in them and that's unfortunate.

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I think it was a better, like, it was a good idea not to put her

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in a terrible Starfleet admiral's uniform.

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And it is kind of like, we've got Gene Simmons and it's just like

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let's put her in an amazing...

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Flowing radish frock.

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Like, that seems to me to be the right instinct, I think.

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Maybe the frock itself isn't so great.

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Although I do think the 1st outfit, which is the outfit that she

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wears when she 1st appears, uh, and it has that fantastic de

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colatage.

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Now what's this?

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Her investigation.

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Satee's investigation exposed the conspiracy 3 years ago that

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infiltrated Starfleet command.

340
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So did she follow up on the episode conspiracy from season one?

341
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Yes, that's absolutely what they're talking about. continuity.

342
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It's really good, isn't it?

343
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Because that was amazing.

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All right.

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Sherry Taylor sat at the typewriter when I'm going to break all

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the rules this week.

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Look at her.

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She looks fantastic.

349
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I don't know how you can complain about that, frock.

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Look at it.

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With her decolitage and her exposed shoulders.

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It's hard faulty.

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Her arms and her legs barely move.

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That's so great.

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Look at it.

356
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It's awesome.

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And it's a space frock. wonderful.

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She's got this enormous ornate collar.

359
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Why are you complaining about?

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Imperiatric satay.

361
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So, look, and she looks so glamorous.

362
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It's wonderful.

363
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She just has a way of looking down her nose at everybody, doesn't

364
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she?

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So my favourite thing is she gets to deliver a line about the

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dilithium chamber. in this scene and it's like Gene Simmons is

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talking about the dilithium chamber and stuff.

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Like, Barrel Reed.

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Doctor Who.

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What the hell am I saying?

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What am I saying?

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She absolutely acquits herself.

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It's wonderful Did you notice her?

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you know, when she beamed in?

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She's the only one that does it.

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She does a little sort of jumping.

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She acts like, oh, I have a beer.

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Oh, this is me appearing, is it?

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Okay. jumps in.

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It's very funny.

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She's great, though.

382
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Like, she like, she understands the stuff.

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She's clearly not technical because she's a lawyer.

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Um, but she is pretty great there.

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I believe some involve the articulation frame of the dilithium

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chamber, she says.

387
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She went up to Jean Wright.

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Gene, what does it mean?

389
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So good.

390
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And she's sort of Nottingham now, yes, they're talking their title

391
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bubble.

392
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Right.

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Okay, yes.

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I think this is a really great detail as well because this is a

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red herring, isn't it?

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This just happens because of a manufacturing fault in the new

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casing cover thing that blew off and has nothing to do with the

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conspiracy.

399
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And that's really interesting as well.

400
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And I think there's one fantastic moment in the trial that

401
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involves, you know, what, the backstory behind that casing.

402
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I think that's really good.

403
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It's a tried and tested format, this, where an explosion happens

404
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at the start of an episode, or it was obviously before this.

405
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Yeah, yeah.

406
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And then it leads into an investigation and then there's massive

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consequences. they obviously do it here.

408
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They do it in improbable cause as well, which leads to, it's Garak

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shop blowing up in that.

410
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They do it in home front, which is a bomb going off on Earth, which

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takes them there.

412
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It's a really, it's a great format.

413
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Oh, look at her.

414
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Yeah, it's really interesting, isn't it?

415
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So she won't tell him anything.

416
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And she is trying to put him on the back foot, I think.

417
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Um, And look at her reaction to it.

418
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Why does she say I particularly wanted to meet you, Mr. Worf?

419
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Yeah, I know.

420
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Is it because he's the only Klingon in Star Wars?

421
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I think it might be.

422
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Obviously, she upholds the values of Starfleet very highly, doesn't

423
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she?

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Look at her how warm she is, like the well-done lieutenant, like

425
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her smile and everything.

426
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And she is really manipulative because it is all about alternately

427
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being cold and warm towards people and trying to get them on

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side.

429
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Like she very, very definitely makes Picard weight. before he's

430
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accepted so that he will value being accepted by her.

431
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And you see it, right?

432
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When she goes through, what a team we're going to make.

433
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

434
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And he sort of leans back in his chair and smiles like, oh, I'm

435
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being endorsed by Admiral Satay.

436
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How lovely.

437
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It's and that's just classic manipulative kind of personality

438
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disorder behaviour.

439
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You know, like, you identify enemies and they're the bad people

440
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but we're the good people and you and I are a team and I'll

441
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support you and stuff. there's something really creepy about the

442
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way she behaves.

443
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We like predictable behaviour as well.

444
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We, you know what I mean?

445
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Like, we don't like it when people bloat hot and cold.

446
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We like being in conversations where somebody behaves in a very in

447
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a way that we can predict. she absolutely weaponizes not doing

448
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that.

449
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Yeah.

450
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She's great.

451
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She was probably a fabulous lawyer.

452
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So she's accompanied by 2 people.

453
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One is a betazoid called Saban, and he is played by Bruce French

454
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who is in literally fucking everything, including the caretaker

455
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and insurrection.

456
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Do you remember him in the Care Taker?

457
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He was one of Kez's people.

458
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Oh, okay.

459
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Yep, okay.

460
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He only gets one scene, I think.

461
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He does an enterprise episode as well. which I haven't seen.

462
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Let's not hold that against him.

463
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I think he's really good because he's just really solid.

464
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Like, he can't outact her and so he doesn't attempt... doesn't

465
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even bother.

466
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But the woman with the pads.

467
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She does.

468
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She's so gray.

469
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She's basically silent for hours, isn't she?

470
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Yeah.

471
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Yeah, she never says anything.

472
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And so I think you sort of think, oh, she's not being paid to say

473
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anything.

474
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You know, she won't get any dialogue because she's just a, you

475
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know, like a singer.

476
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She gets her singer when she goes to deliver the paths of Picard

477
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on the bridge.

478
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And see, this is so interesting, isn't it?

479
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Like, he is saying I didn't blow up the warp core and she's saying

480
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well, you know, why are you lying to me?

481
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Why won't you just admit it?

482
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Clearly you did.

483
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See, I like this outfit.

484
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Why are you complaining about this outfit?

485
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This might be...

486
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Yeah, this is funny.

487
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This is my best fit.

488
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This is her, she's quite scary in that outfit, doesn't she?

489
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That's all blue.

490
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But this guy really sells it.

491
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He's a proper that guy.

492
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He's been in the A-team. you know, he's been in literally

493
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everything.

494
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Oh, here we go.

495
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Here's the seat.

496
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Somebody else was involved.

497
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You've got a bigger problem on your ship, Jean-Luc.

498
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And just one Klingon exchange.

499
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There's the I told you about.

500
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Oh, no, you're the camera.

501
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The camera soons in.

502
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And he goes, oh my god, and looks straight at the car.

503
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That's Jonathan.

504
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God bless you, Jonathan.

505
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He goes, right, Patrick, I want you to stress how serious the

506
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situation is.

507
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Jonathan, can I look straight at the camera?

508
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Do it.

509
00:22:51.000 --> 00:22:54.779
And look, now she's making him tea.

510
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Like, it is just so manipulative.

511
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I like this outfit a little bit less, and I think it's because it

512
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has the big collar, but it doesn't have the day colletage.

513
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It's a little bit more kind of prim, I think.

514
00:23:06.599 --> 00:23:08.880
Why is she putting in that tea?

515
00:23:08.940 --> 00:23:09.960
Why is that on the plane?

516
00:23:10.019 --> 00:23:11.339
I don't know, sugar, who knows?

517
00:23:11.400 --> 00:23:12.299
I don't know about tea.

518
00:23:12.359 --> 00:23:13.380
I don't understand it.

519
00:23:13.680 --> 00:23:16.319
You're not English, are you?

520
00:23:16.740 --> 00:23:18.960
connoisseurs with tea.

521
00:23:19.019 --> 00:23:21.059
And she is English, isn't she?

522
00:23:21.119 --> 00:23:22.920
Yeah, both of them are.

523
00:23:23.039 --> 00:23:24.779
Of course.

524
00:23:25.740 --> 00:23:27.779
Julie, what he said?

525
00:23:27.839 --> 00:23:30.180
Thank goodness you're here, Admiral Saturday.

526
00:23:30.240 --> 00:23:33.180
No, we could never do it with anyone but you.

527
00:23:33.240 --> 00:23:34.140
Oh, what a toady.

528
00:23:34.200 --> 00:23:38.880
So now we're getting the absurd backstory scene.

529
00:23:39.299 --> 00:23:42.119
Oh, I was howling.

530
00:23:42.180 --> 00:23:44.039
It's okay, isn't it?

531
00:23:44.039 --> 00:23:47.940
The debates that my father would make me and my brothers have

532
00:23:47.940 --> 00:23:50.940
around the table and we weren't allowed to leave the table until

533
00:23:50.940 --> 00:23:52.079
we're covered.

534
00:23:52.079 --> 00:23:53.700
The stopwatch, which is totally normal.

535
00:23:53.880 --> 00:23:56.579
So we had to be succinct.

536
00:23:56.640 --> 00:24:01.259
We had to explore the issue.

537
00:24:01.319 --> 00:24:03.119
Can you say that again, please?

538
00:24:03.180 --> 00:24:04.319
The issue.

539
00:24:04.319 --> 00:24:05.819
The issue.

540
00:24:05.880 --> 00:24:08.099
It's so ridiculous.

541
00:24:08.160 --> 00:24:09.539
Like, it's so preposterous.

542
00:24:09.599 --> 00:24:13.740
She really warms up and obviously this is kind of, uh, you know

543
00:24:13.740 --> 00:24:17.579
because of her sort of weird daddy issues, but, but there's

544
00:24:17.579 --> 00:24:22.319
something about how driven and insane she is, what she says

545
00:24:22.319 --> 00:24:22.740
there.

546
00:24:22.799 --> 00:24:24.000
That's a huge red flag.

547
00:24:24.059 --> 00:24:25.140
She goes, I miss him.

548
00:24:25.200 --> 00:24:26.220
He was a giant.

549
00:24:26.279 --> 00:24:27.599
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

550
00:24:27.660 --> 00:24:31.079
But also this thing, you know, I always preferred working a lot

551
00:24:31.079 --> 00:24:35.339
working alone, but I think we'll be a great team, you and I, and

552
00:24:35.339 --> 00:24:38.279
you just think, oh, you are really quite a creeper.

553
00:24:38.339 --> 00:24:39.180
Yeah, yeah.

554
00:24:39.240 --> 00:24:40.559
We're going to be a quite a team.

555
00:24:40.619 --> 00:24:41.640
And you're right.

556
00:24:41.700 --> 00:24:42.599
Look at his reaction.

557
00:24:42.660 --> 00:24:44.519
He smirks because he's hugely excited.

558
00:24:45.119 --> 00:24:48.960
Oh, he's thinking, this could, this could do my career some good

559
00:24:48.960 --> 00:24:49.259
you know.

560
00:24:49.799 --> 00:24:55.259
So Jadan didn't make friends easily, which is not difficult to

561
00:24:55.259 --> 00:24:56.339
believe, I guess.

562
00:24:57.420 --> 00:24:59.400
Poor old wolf.

563
00:24:59.460 --> 00:25:02.160
Every time someone comes on, they seem to know he's been...

564
00:25:02.160 --> 00:25:03.299
Yeah, he's been discommended.

565
00:25:03.359 --> 00:25:04.440
Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.

566
00:25:04.980 --> 00:25:09.000
And this is really interesting as well.

567
00:25:09.059 --> 00:25:11.460
Because that's what this scene is about too.

568
00:25:12.299 --> 00:25:18.599
Because Sabre knows that Wharf's father has been accused that

569
00:25:18.599 --> 00:25:22.680
Mogue was accused of conspiring with Romulans.

570
00:25:22.740 --> 00:25:23.460
Yeah.

571
00:25:23.519 --> 00:25:26.940
And look at wharf's restraint.

572
00:25:27.000 --> 00:25:31.380
You know, like he's in, like, uh, Jonathan Frakes puts him in

573
00:25:31.380 --> 00:25:37.079
shadow at the back of the thing before he comes forward because we

574
00:25:37.079 --> 00:25:40.740
know, even though the script doesn't tell us that that's not what

575
00:25:40.740 --> 00:25:44.460
happened, that Worf accepted this commendation for the sake of the

576
00:25:44.460 --> 00:25:50.160
empire, and the price that he paid was admitting or kind of, you

577
00:25:50.160 --> 00:25:52.740
know, pretending that his father was a trader.

578
00:25:52.799 --> 00:25:56.339
There's there's something I want to talk about with war, but very

579
00:25:56.339 --> 00:25:56.759
quickly.

580
00:25:56.819 --> 00:25:58.200
Look how smooth.

581
00:25:58.259 --> 00:25:59.880
Dr. Beverly is in the chair.

582
00:25:59.940 --> 00:26:01.799
She knows she's innocent.

583
00:26:01.859 --> 00:26:03.599
She's in the pavement squirming, that's all.

584
00:26:04.859 --> 00:26:08.339
I just love. this woman.

585
00:26:08.400 --> 00:26:13.980
So her name is Nellon, and she's got her little, when is she

586
00:26:13.980 --> 00:26:14.279
gone?

587
00:26:14.339 --> 00:26:17.640
She's got a little iPod touch there that she's just typing on.

588
00:26:17.700 --> 00:26:19.920
Sort of like a video remote, isn't it?

589
00:26:19.980 --> 00:26:21.240
Yeah, tapping into.

590
00:26:21.299 --> 00:26:22.500
It's a pad.

591
00:26:22.559 --> 00:26:24.900
So this holy shit, this boy is pretty.

592
00:26:25.019 --> 00:26:27.119
It's such a great performance, isn't it?

593
00:26:27.180 --> 00:26:31.140
It just has a constant forlorn look on his face, doesn't he?

594
00:26:31.259 --> 00:26:33.900
And he looks like a good American boy.

595
00:26:33.960 --> 00:26:34.799
Do you know what I mean?

596
00:26:34.859 --> 00:26:35.819
Just like a good boy.

597
00:26:35.880 --> 00:26:37.920
He's like 20 eight.

598
00:26:37.980 --> 00:26:40.019
Yeah, he's perfectly cast.

599
00:26:40.079 --> 00:26:46.920
The ear makeup doesn't survive HD very well.

600
00:26:46.980 --> 00:26:47.579
But it is subtle.

601
00:26:47.700 --> 00:26:48.960
It's quite subtle, isn't it?

602
00:26:49.019 --> 00:26:51.779
And so when he told you, you can't really notice it too much.

603
00:26:52.140 --> 00:26:55.740
I thought, except that in...

604
00:26:55.799 --> 00:26:59.819
Yeah, like the way it's blended in and stuff, it looks pretty

605
00:26:59.819 --> 00:27:00.359
crap.

606
00:27:00.420 --> 00:27:03.000
I mean, it is supposed to be subtle because he's not a full

607
00:27:03.000 --> 00:27:03.720
Romulan.

608
00:27:03.779 --> 00:27:05.339
He's a full Vulcan or whatever.

609
00:27:05.400 --> 00:27:07.259
And, you know, they do something.

610
00:27:07.440 --> 00:27:10.079
Yeah, they do something to you sign. on his team. been too busy

611
00:27:10.079 --> 00:27:12.539
doing Gene Simmons hair the whole time.

612
00:27:12.599 --> 00:27:14.220
They've got no time to do this.

613
00:27:14.279 --> 00:27:15.480
Look at him close-up.

614
00:27:15.539 --> 00:27:16.200
It looks terrible.

615
00:27:16.259 --> 00:27:19.740
Um, He's he's really cute.

616
00:27:19.799 --> 00:27:22.619
And there's a scene later, which I just thought was impossibly hot

617
00:27:22.619 --> 00:27:24.900
when I was younger.

618
00:27:25.619 --> 00:27:29.339
Imagine having a massive, a massive secret.

619
00:27:29.400 --> 00:27:34.079
You lied on your application to Starfleet and they're committing

620
00:27:34.079 --> 00:27:35.579
an investigation.

621
00:27:35.640 --> 00:27:36.779
You don't really know why.

622
00:27:36.839 --> 00:27:39.720
And then you're brought in in front of Gene Simmons.

623
00:27:39.779 --> 00:27:41.579
I mean, I start crumbling.

624
00:27:41.819 --> 00:27:47.519
And and two, the, the, like...

625
00:27:47.519 --> 00:27:49.619
There's no real, what's the, what's the woman's name with the

626
00:27:49.619 --> 00:27:49.920
pad?

627
00:27:50.039 --> 00:27:52.920
There's no reason for her to be looking at him as dismissively as

628
00:27:52.920 --> 00:27:54.599
she is She's so great.

629
00:27:54.660 --> 00:27:55.619
She's so funny.

630
00:27:55.680 --> 00:28:01.259
And this, so Saban, who is Betazoid, recognises that he's

631
00:28:01.259 --> 00:28:06.000
frightened, and of course, everyone watching also recognise that

632
00:28:06.000 --> 00:28:08.160
despite not being an empath.

633
00:28:08.220 --> 00:28:12.660
And the lie, see, the interesting thing about the lie is, it's so

634
00:28:12.660 --> 00:28:13.200
forgivable.

635
00:28:13.259 --> 00:28:14.460
It's so understandable.

636
00:28:14.519 --> 00:28:19.019
You know, he lied that his grandfather, who it's not his fault

637
00:28:19.019 --> 00:28:22.019
that it's his grandfather, he's got nothing to do with him.

638
00:28:22.079 --> 00:28:22.920
You know.

639
00:28:23.759 --> 00:28:25.799
Oh my god, did you see the way she flounced in sort of room

640
00:28:25.799 --> 00:28:26.099
there?

641
00:28:26.160 --> 00:28:27.299
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

642
00:28:27.359 --> 00:28:29.039
Yeah, that's unrestricting a movement.

643
00:28:29.099 --> 00:28:30.000
She's looking fabulous.

644
00:28:30.059 --> 00:28:32.880
Why has she got that enormous zip at the front, though?

645
00:28:32.940 --> 00:28:35.099
I know it's not a zip, but that's what it looks like.

646
00:28:35.160 --> 00:28:38.460
I mean, she's taking off those dreadful plastic earrings she had

647
00:28:38.460 --> 00:28:38.940
on earlier.

648
00:28:39.480 --> 00:28:46.740
Yes, for her, for her who has been, it's been drilled into her to

649
00:28:46.740 --> 00:28:49.140
uphold the values of the Federation, yeah.

650
00:28:49.200 --> 00:28:52.920
So the fact that he lied, that's enough for her to think, well

651
00:28:52.920 --> 00:28:54.779
that man is...

652
00:28:54.839 --> 00:29:00.240
But the great thing here is, you know, she says, you haven't you

653
00:29:00.240 --> 00:29:03.660
used a counsellor during interrogations, like in the opening scene

654
00:29:03.660 --> 00:29:08.640
and he says, yes, I do, but she shit, and she now can tell whether

655
00:29:08.640 --> 00:29:09.960
anyone's lying or not.

656
00:29:10.019 --> 00:29:11.940
So I don't think it's the wrong thing.

657
00:29:12.539 --> 00:29:16.559
To be honest, Admiral Satay, we write her out of some episodes.

658
00:29:16.619 --> 00:29:17.700
She's so terrible.

659
00:29:20.819 --> 00:29:24.000
If Counsellor Troy suggested to you that someone on this ship was

660
00:29:24.000 --> 00:29:25.799
dangerous, Would you act on that?

661
00:29:25.859 --> 00:29:27.119
No, she's terrible.

662
00:29:27.420 --> 00:29:29.160
He never knows.

663
00:29:29.220 --> 00:29:31.380
They would undoubtedly be innocent.

664
00:29:31.440 --> 00:29:33.839
There's always dangerous people on the ship.

665
00:29:33.900 --> 00:29:34.799
She never says anything.

666
00:29:36.420 --> 00:29:39.720
She usually just says, I feel something.

667
00:29:39.779 --> 00:29:42.660
It's a little bit ambiguous. holding something back.

668
00:29:45.180 --> 00:29:47.039
Bless her.

669
00:29:47.099 --> 00:29:52.440
Do you know, in sort of Kurtzman Trek, her empathic abilities are

670
00:29:52.440 --> 00:29:53.640
so honed, aren't they?

671
00:29:53.700 --> 00:29:55.680
Yeah, yeah, she's wonderful.

672
00:29:56.400 --> 00:29:57.900
Yes.

673
00:29:57.960 --> 00:29:59.220
So poor Simon.

674
00:29:59.279 --> 00:30:00.839
But you can see that it's understandable.

675
00:30:00.900 --> 00:30:04.079
He didn't do anything wrong by having a Romulan father and he was

676
00:30:04.079 --> 00:30:05.759
going to suffer racism.

677
00:30:05.819 --> 00:30:08.759
Uh, you know, like it was, if it was going to prevent him from

678
00:30:08.759 --> 00:30:13.619
getting into Starfleet, even as a, as a, you know, crewman.

679
00:30:13.680 --> 00:30:13.920
Yeah.

680
00:30:13.980 --> 00:30:18.359
She, see, now she says later on, oh, no, no, no, of course, you

681
00:30:18.359 --> 00:30:20.220
know, he's innocent until proven guilty.

682
00:30:20.279 --> 00:30:24.119
She just said there, we will have evidence against him.

683
00:30:24.180 --> 00:30:26.519
She's not working on that assumption at all.

684
00:30:26.579 --> 00:30:28.140
She thinks he's guilty.

685
00:30:28.319 --> 00:30:30.119
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

686
00:30:30.180 --> 00:30:33.480
No, she's decided that he's a saboteur, that it's him, because

687
00:30:33.480 --> 00:30:34.559
that's what we're looking for.

688
00:30:34.619 --> 00:30:36.960
If Jadan didn't do the thing.

689
00:30:37.019 --> 00:30:38.039
This is how it builds.

690
00:30:38.099 --> 00:30:39.539
This is how the paranoia builds.

691
00:30:39.599 --> 00:30:41.160
It was just a hatch cover.

692
00:30:41.220 --> 00:30:43.319
One if it's the warp core next time.

693
00:30:43.380 --> 00:30:44.339
Yep, yep.

694
00:30:44.819 --> 00:30:48.299
Yeah, and it's their 1st kind of confrontation and there's no

695
00:30:48.299 --> 00:30:49.079
coming back from this.

696
00:30:49.140 --> 00:30:51.599
Like now he's her enemy because she's a prick.

697
00:30:51.660 --> 00:30:55.920
You know, like, you know, there's not going to be agreeing to

698
00:30:55.920 --> 00:30:57.420
disagree or anything like that.

699
00:30:57.480 --> 00:31:00.599
I think we need a few more pricks on Jens Price.

700
00:31:00.660 --> 00:31:01.859
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

701
00:31:01.920 --> 00:31:02.220
Yeah.

702
00:31:02.279 --> 00:31:04.980
I love she's back in the dilithium chamber.

703
00:31:05.039 --> 00:31:06.240
Camera down here.

704
00:31:06.359 --> 00:31:09.599
I don't know why we're shooting from down here suddenly.

705
00:31:09.660 --> 00:31:12.839
But we're, I think we're just on the normal engineering level, but

706
00:31:12.839 --> 00:31:15.900
for some reason, we're shooting from below. you know, because

707
00:31:15.900 --> 00:31:17.880
Jonathan's got his camera down there.

708
00:31:17.940 --> 00:31:20.220
But yeah, we're looking at these.

709
00:31:20.339 --> 00:31:21.900
They haven't given her a tetna babble this time.

710
00:31:21.960 --> 00:31:23.819
She just said, what did you find?

711
00:31:23.880 --> 00:31:27.119
Yeah, yeah, no, she actually asks for an explanation.

712
00:31:27.180 --> 00:31:29.160
I'm out of my element commander.

713
00:31:29.160 --> 00:31:30.000
Please explain to me.

714
00:31:30.059 --> 00:31:31.380
Yeah.

715
00:31:31.440 --> 00:31:34.079
So basically it was an accident.

716
00:31:34.140 --> 00:31:36.180
It was an accident, but she won't let it go.

717
00:31:36.240 --> 00:31:37.500
She doesn't believe it.

718
00:31:37.559 --> 00:31:40.859
And in any case, even if it's an accident.

719
00:31:40.920 --> 00:31:42.960
She still wants to investigate Simon.

720
00:31:44.160 --> 00:31:49.019
And did you see, when data specifically says that he's saying the

721
00:31:49.019 --> 00:31:52.559
details, the look she gives him, because it contradicts what she

722
00:31:52.559 --> 00:31:53.099
wants to do.

723
00:31:53.160 --> 00:31:53.940
Yes, exactly.

724
00:31:54.000 --> 00:31:54.480
Exactly.

725
00:31:55.380 --> 00:31:58.799
Have that Android dismantled immediately.

726
00:31:59.279 --> 00:32:00.900
Yeah, yeah.

727
00:32:00.960 --> 00:32:04.319
And so they're very clear that this is this is all been a thing

728
00:32:04.319 --> 00:32:07.440
you know, and it's and it's data and Geordie.

729
00:32:07.500 --> 00:32:10.140
Like we have to believe them.

730
00:32:10.200 --> 00:32:11.819
Do you look at that woman behind him?

731
00:32:11.940 --> 00:32:14.039
She's so great.

732
00:32:14.099 --> 00:32:15.660
She just so awesome.

733
00:32:16.920 --> 00:32:20.400
She's upstage in everybody in this bloody thing.

734
00:32:20.759 --> 00:32:22.440
Look at her.

735
00:32:25.500 --> 00:32:27.779
That's too shot with her and Picard.

736
00:32:27.839 --> 00:32:29.460
It's so funny, isn't it?

737
00:32:29.579 --> 00:32:31.680
Oh, dear.

738
00:32:31.680 --> 00:32:33.779
She is acting him off the screen.

739
00:32:33.839 --> 00:32:35.039
It's really great.

740
00:32:35.099 --> 00:32:36.480
She's not saying a word.

741
00:32:36.539 --> 00:32:39.119
Every now and again, she thinks she thinks about doing her

742
00:32:39.119 --> 00:32:40.799
shorthand and then she does it.

743
00:32:40.920 --> 00:32:42.000
There it is.

744
00:32:42.299 --> 00:32:44.220
He walks...

745
00:32:44.279 --> 00:32:46.920
He looks at her and kind of goes, actually, I'm going to move over

746
00:32:46.920 --> 00:32:49.019
here. walks across the room, yeah.

747
00:32:49.079 --> 00:32:51.720
I'm not having it stolen by you, bitch.

748
00:32:51.779 --> 00:32:52.319
All right.

749
00:32:52.319 --> 00:32:58.079
He goes, I've only got Michael Dawn and this fella over here.

750
00:32:58.140 --> 00:32:58.740
I'll be all right.

751
00:32:58.859 --> 00:33:01.500
But don't you think that's deliberately funny?

752
00:33:01.559 --> 00:33:02.579
Like, that's her.

753
00:33:02.640 --> 00:33:05.279
She's the most Star Treky character here because she's got the

754
00:33:05.279 --> 00:33:07.500
stupid forehead and all of that.

755
00:33:07.559 --> 00:33:11.519
And like the outfit, she's wearing a sort of chuck super wipe

756
00:33:11.519 --> 00:33:13.740
that's been kind of strategically cut.

757
00:33:13.799 --> 00:33:18.599
And, and like, I think that that's a deliberate comedy element in

758
00:33:18.599 --> 00:33:20.759
the episode and they play it that way.

759
00:33:20.819 --> 00:33:21.720
I think it's really good.

760
00:33:21.960 --> 00:33:25.680
That whole scene there, everybody was...

761
00:33:25.799 --> 00:33:29.700
Oh, I love this when he comes in and she's opened up the hearing

762
00:33:29.700 --> 00:33:30.359
to everybody.

763
00:33:30.420 --> 00:33:31.680
Look at Nella.

764
00:33:31.740 --> 00:33:34.259
Look at Nella standing there just looking at it. was just like

765
00:33:34.259 --> 00:33:35.579
yeah, fuck you, look at this.

766
00:33:35.819 --> 00:33:40.079
But did you notice what Freak steers in that scene?

767
00:33:40.140 --> 00:33:43.980
He has it absolutely quiet because Picard's outside the door and

768
00:33:43.980 --> 00:33:47.279
you come in and there's an arc and assault of people talking to

769
00:33:47.279 --> 00:33:49.799
really stress the fact that, well, I think it's supposed to be a

770
00:33:49.799 --> 00:33:50.460
very packed room.

771
00:33:50.519 --> 00:33:52.019
We've got about 15 extras.

772
00:33:52.079 --> 00:33:53.039
Yeah, that's all we're going to find.

773
00:33:53.099 --> 00:33:54.900
Yeah, but it's a lot, you know, it is a reasonable number of

774
00:33:54.900 --> 00:33:57.480
extras for a scene in Star Trek, the next generation.

775
00:33:57.539 --> 00:33:58.980
It's probably not packed.

776
00:33:59.039 --> 00:34:01.200
The sort of the idea is that everyone's got an opinion.

777
00:34:01.259 --> 00:34:02.519
That's your baying crowd, right?

778
00:34:02.579 --> 00:34:04.079
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

779
00:34:04.200 --> 00:34:07.680
And it just ramps up the pressure on Simon.

780
00:34:07.740 --> 00:34:08.880
Poor Simon.

781
00:34:08.940 --> 00:34:09.659
What a pretty boy.

782
00:34:09.719 --> 00:34:14.699
Look at that office chair that very 20th century office chair he's

783
00:34:14.699 --> 00:34:15.000
sitting in.

784
00:34:15.059 --> 00:34:16.679
Right, it's terrible.

785
00:34:16.739 --> 00:34:18.059
As a defence person.

786
00:34:18.119 --> 00:34:18.960
He's terrible, isn't he?

787
00:34:19.019 --> 00:34:19.440
You got to do nothing.

788
00:34:19.559 --> 00:34:21.659
He got data off in measure of a man.

789
00:34:21.719 --> 00:34:22.320
What do you want?

790
00:34:22.380 --> 00:34:24.480
No, he does something really hot here, I think.

791
00:34:24.539 --> 00:34:27.719
Not when he's going up against Admiral Satay.

792
00:34:27.719 --> 00:34:34.380
Oh, Dr. Beverly, no. come on now.

793
00:34:34.440 --> 00:34:35.460
Look after him.

794
00:34:35.519 --> 00:34:36.360
He works for you.

795
00:34:36.420 --> 00:34:37.739
Yeah, just tell a lie.

796
00:34:37.800 --> 00:34:38.340
Who cares?

797
00:34:38.400 --> 00:34:39.840
Oh, this stupid cow.

798
00:34:39.900 --> 00:34:42.659
Don't tell her anything She's good.

799
00:34:42.719 --> 00:34:45.599
There wasn't one moment in this episode where she gave her robotic

800
00:34:45.599 --> 00:34:47.699
delivery, Dr. Beverly. was quite impressed.

801
00:34:47.760 --> 00:34:49.380
Yeah, yeah, this.

802
00:34:49.440 --> 00:34:52.920
If he's so innocent, why do you hesitate to give the name to

803
00:34:52.920 --> 00:34:53.519
Picard?

804
00:34:53.519 --> 00:34:55.320
Because actually, let's stop this now.

805
00:34:55.380 --> 00:35:00.659
That's insane, you know, like, like, it's very clear to Picard

806
00:35:00.659 --> 00:35:01.559
where this is going.

807
00:35:01.619 --> 00:35:03.059
You know, she's mental.

808
00:35:03.119 --> 00:35:06.179
It's gone in, it's gone out of control.

809
00:35:06.539 --> 00:35:11.219
I love how Sassay deploys the people that work for her.

810
00:35:11.280 --> 00:35:13.619
She just gave me a little knob then right off you go.

811
00:35:13.679 --> 00:35:14.340
Yeah, yeah.

812
00:35:14.340 --> 00:35:17.039
Like she's had, she's got this whole thing just structured.

813
00:35:17.699 --> 00:35:22.320
He looks so concerned, doesn't he, that pretty little boy.

814
00:35:22.380 --> 00:35:23.280
That's so cute.

815
00:35:24.360 --> 00:35:28.380
And I remember the 1st time I watched this and I thought, well

816
00:35:28.380 --> 00:35:29.039
he's innocent.

817
00:35:29.099 --> 00:35:29.639
Look at him.

818
00:35:29.699 --> 00:35:33.119
And then when they dropped the information about the Romans, oh

819
00:35:33.119 --> 00:35:33.420
fuck.

820
00:35:33.480 --> 00:35:36.840
Like, I know that's not his fault who his dad is.

821
00:35:36.960 --> 00:35:38.460
But what about this?

822
00:35:38.519 --> 00:35:40.199
I think this moment is great.

823
00:35:40.260 --> 00:35:43.139
When Saban says there's evidence that it was caused by a

824
00:35:43.139 --> 00:35:47.099
corrosives chemical from Sick Bay, and we think that you did it.

825
00:35:47.159 --> 00:35:50.159
And the only reason he's saying that is to put him under

826
00:35:50.159 --> 00:35:50.760
pressure.

827
00:35:50.820 --> 00:35:54.960
And then he says, how can we believe someone who we know to be a

828
00:35:54.960 --> 00:35:55.500
liar?

829
00:35:55.559 --> 00:35:57.000
And it's just like you.

830
00:35:57.059 --> 00:35:58.440
You are the liar.

831
00:35:58.500 --> 00:36:03.420
You said that just to make him anxious. you know, and to prejudice

832
00:36:03.420 --> 00:36:04.199
the inquiry.

833
00:36:04.260 --> 00:36:05.940
He's a lawyer.

834
00:36:06.000 --> 00:36:07.079
I mean, this is what I do.

835
00:36:07.139 --> 00:36:11.400
But he's lying, you know, like, and he's Starfleet.

836
00:36:11.460 --> 00:36:13.980
We don't lie if you remember.

837
00:36:14.039 --> 00:36:18.179
So well, he's he's selling him a lie. getting him to tell the

838
00:36:18.179 --> 00:36:18.480
truth.

839
00:36:18.539 --> 00:36:20.159
Oh, this isn't this hot?

840
00:36:20.219 --> 00:36:20.699
Look at this.

841
00:36:20.760 --> 00:36:22.679
Oh, Riker.

842
00:36:22.800 --> 00:36:25.559
Right, it like kind of whispers in his ear and puts his hand on

843
00:36:25.559 --> 00:36:27.900
his shoulder and tells him don't answer the question.

844
00:36:27.960 --> 00:36:32.280
And then, yeah, I know, but then by saying that it just makes you

845
00:36:32.280 --> 00:36:33.659
look more guilty.

846
00:36:33.719 --> 00:36:35.400
They've put him in a corner, haven't they?

847
00:36:35.460 --> 00:36:38.519
Where it just looks like he's hiding things now.

848
00:36:38.579 --> 00:36:42.599
But he is, and he shouldn't have to answer the question because

849
00:36:42.599 --> 00:36:46.980
he's not on trial and that's the Fifth Amendment.

850
00:36:47.039 --> 00:36:50.699
That's the 7th guarantee or whatever it is where you don't have to

851
00:36:50.699 --> 00:36:52.320
incriminate yourself in a trial.

852
00:36:52.320 --> 00:36:55.739
If you're not the one in, you know, like he doesn't have to say

853
00:36:55.739 --> 00:36:55.860
that.

854
00:36:55.920 --> 00:36:57.840
This is the thing about wharf.

855
00:36:57.900 --> 00:37:00.420
I wanted to talk about where he's sending out his security team

856
00:37:00.420 --> 00:37:02.699
and he looks like he's enjoying.

857
00:37:02.760 --> 00:37:05.940
He's getting the chance to go around, interrogate people

858
00:37:05.940 --> 00:37:06.719
investigate things.

859
00:37:06.780 --> 00:37:10.559
And there's a very telling shot where Picard's one side of the

860
00:37:10.559 --> 00:37:11.940
table and wharfs the other.

861
00:37:12.000 --> 00:37:14.940
They're sort of the power positions around the long table.

862
00:37:14.940 --> 00:37:19.079
And he watch the camera as it's down on wharf.

863
00:37:19.079 --> 00:37:22.079
And then wharf does relax and go, you know, what's wrong, sir?

864
00:37:22.139 --> 00:37:23.219
Or something like that.

865
00:37:23.280 --> 00:37:27.900
But I think Patrick Stewart plays the armies superbly.

866
00:37:27.960 --> 00:37:28.739
Yeah.

867
00:37:28.739 --> 00:37:31.559
Despite some sledgehammer dialogue.

868
00:37:31.619 --> 00:37:32.940
He gets later on in the episode.

869
00:37:33.000 --> 00:37:37.380
These 2 shots, like, yeah, they look...

870
00:37:37.440 --> 00:37:37.800
Yeah.

871
00:37:37.860 --> 00:37:38.219
Yeah.

872
00:37:39.059 --> 00:37:41.280
He's good, isn't he?

873
00:37:41.340 --> 00:37:43.019
Like Frakes is good immediately.

874
00:37:43.079 --> 00:37:44.699
Like from his 1st episode.

875
00:37:44.760 --> 00:37:50.039
His 1st episode is the offspring, which he's barely in so that he

876
00:37:50.039 --> 00:37:50.880
can just direct it.

877
00:37:51.000 --> 00:37:55.139
And it's immediately well directed, like just well done.

878
00:37:55.199 --> 00:37:58.920
And this, you know, this is a kind of boring scene.

879
00:37:58.980 --> 00:38:01.320
Like, this is explaining what the title means.

880
00:38:01.320 --> 00:38:08.159
And, you know, um, But, look at Worf, but we know there is a

881
00:38:08.159 --> 00:38:08.579
trace.

882
00:38:08.579 --> 00:38:09.480
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

883
00:38:09.539 --> 00:38:10.079
Yeah.

884
00:38:10.139 --> 00:38:10.920
Do we?

885
00:38:14.099 --> 00:38:15.840
And that's it.

886
00:38:15.900 --> 00:38:17.579
You are right.

887
00:38:17.639 --> 00:38:19.440
Wharf is wrong in TMG.

888
00:38:19.500 --> 00:38:21.360
Somebody's wrong in TNG.

889
00:38:21.420 --> 00:38:23.159
Like if there's a disagreement, he's wrong.

890
00:38:23.219 --> 00:38:24.659
Because he's going...

891
00:38:24.719 --> 00:38:25.920
Well, look, he told a lie.

892
00:38:25.980 --> 00:38:28.260
So obviously, you know, he's guilty of terrorism.

893
00:38:28.320 --> 00:38:28.980
What?

894
00:38:28.980 --> 00:38:31.139
Like, how did he get there?

895
00:38:31.199 --> 00:38:32.280
Yeah, yeah.

896
00:38:32.340 --> 00:38:33.119
Yeah.

897
00:38:36.300 --> 00:38:38.579
It's so good, isn't it?

898
00:38:38.639 --> 00:38:43.260
Because the other thing that he does, like here, it's just static

899
00:38:43.260 --> 00:38:47.340
cameras, but we keep going closer and closer on the 2 of them, as

900
00:38:47.340 --> 00:38:50.760
you know, the thing goes as a thing progresses, we're quite close

901
00:38:50.760 --> 00:38:51.539
on both of them.

902
00:38:51.599 --> 00:38:54.239
It was a medium close-up on them at the beginning of the scene.

903
00:38:54.239 --> 00:38:58.139
And it's just, it's just Jonathan saying, I'll get out of your way

904
00:38:58.139 --> 00:39:00.059
and you both do some acting.

905
00:39:00.119 --> 00:39:01.320
Don't you think?

906
00:39:01.380 --> 00:39:03.179
Oh, that's so annoying.

907
00:39:03.239 --> 00:39:05.880
He has such a brilliant line there where he goes, yeah.

908
00:39:05.940 --> 00:39:07.019
That's how it starts.

909
00:39:07.079 --> 00:39:08.099
Yeah, yeah.

910
00:39:08.099 --> 00:39:08.820
That's enough.

911
00:39:08.880 --> 00:39:12.539
And then she follows her up with the road from suspicion to

912
00:39:12.539 --> 00:39:13.679
rampant paranoia.

913
00:39:13.739 --> 00:39:15.420
No, we don't need that.

914
00:39:15.480 --> 00:39:17.820
Yeah, we don't need that.

915
00:39:17.880 --> 00:39:21.780
Worf line is so telling where he goes, sir, the Federation does

916
00:39:21.780 --> 00:39:22.619
have enemies.

917
00:39:22.679 --> 00:39:23.460
Yeah.

918
00:39:23.460 --> 00:39:26.099
That paranoia is up and up and up.

919
00:39:26.219 --> 00:39:28.199
Oh, this.

920
00:39:28.260 --> 00:39:31.079
It's so sad as well.

921
00:39:31.139 --> 00:39:33.599
Even the way he drinks his teeth.

922
00:39:33.599 --> 00:39:34.559
I know.

923
00:39:34.559 --> 00:39:36.420
It's like a kicked puppy, isn't he?

924
00:39:37.320 --> 00:39:39.119
Oh here we go.

925
00:39:39.179 --> 00:39:43.199
Here's here's Cyrus. all my life I wanted to join Starfleet.

926
00:39:43.260 --> 00:39:47.639
But I think this is really good because normally we just see

927
00:39:47.639 --> 00:39:50.159
Starfleet and it's the best of the best and stuff.

928
00:39:50.159 --> 00:39:55.559
And he's just some dumb kid and he didn't, he couldn't wait.

929
00:39:55.619 --> 00:39:57.119
He didn't want to do a degree.

930
00:39:57.179 --> 00:39:59.639
He didn't want to go to Starfleet Academy.

931
00:39:59.699 --> 00:40:03.000
They probably would have sniffed him out then, wouldn't they?

932
00:40:03.539 --> 00:40:07.320
Oh, oh, maybe, but that's not what he says.

933
00:40:07.380 --> 00:40:10.920
Like, and I think there's no reason not to believe him at this

934
00:40:10.920 --> 00:40:11.280
point.

935
00:40:11.340 --> 00:40:12.300
Do you know what I mean?

936
00:40:12.360 --> 00:40:15.420
He's not being interrogated by Saban or Satee.

937
00:40:15.480 --> 00:40:17.159
And it...

938
00:40:17.159 --> 00:40:17.639
Oh, boy.

939
00:40:18.360 --> 00:40:20.159
The elm tree.

940
00:40:20.219 --> 00:40:23.519
I've sat under that tree many times, you know.

941
00:40:23.579 --> 00:40:26.280
It was a big ugly tree, wasn't it?

942
00:40:26.519 --> 00:40:33.659
But I think what's cute about it is that, like, this is, like, he's

943
00:40:33.659 --> 00:40:34.679
enthusiastic.

944
00:40:34.739 --> 00:40:36.840
Like he's he's someone that you would want.

945
00:40:36.900 --> 00:40:38.880
You know, he wants to be here.

946
00:40:38.940 --> 00:40:43.440
Like, and it is a cheesy scene and he, you know, he sort of

947
00:40:43.440 --> 00:40:46.019
becomes a bit more animated, I think, during the course of it.

948
00:40:46.079 --> 00:40:50.579
But there's a real loss, you know, like this poor kid, you know, he

949
00:40:50.579 --> 00:40:53.880
achieved his, you know, doesn't he say the day I came aboard

950
00:40:53.880 --> 00:40:57.780
Enterprise, you know, was the greatest day of my life?

951
00:40:58.559 --> 00:41:00.900
And that's it.

952
00:41:00.960 --> 00:41:02.280
Now the ecos is it.

953
00:41:02.340 --> 00:41:02.880
That's it.

954
00:41:02.940 --> 00:41:04.320
My career is finished.

955
00:41:05.699 --> 00:41:08.760
And he is guilty though, isn't he?

956
00:41:08.820 --> 00:41:09.659
It doesn't matter.

957
00:41:09.719 --> 00:41:10.320
He guilty.

958
00:41:10.380 --> 00:41:13.019
You know, he lied on his application.

959
00:41:13.079 --> 00:41:16.380
And like Picard doesn't say it'll be all right.

960
00:41:16.440 --> 00:41:18.659
You know, like because it won't be.

961
00:41:18.780 --> 00:41:22.320
Because obviously shit, I'm pulling the strings, you know, when

962
00:41:22.320 --> 00:41:25.139
Bashir was revealed as being a genetically engineered.

963
00:41:25.199 --> 00:41:26.519
Yeah, we've just pulled a few streams.

964
00:41:26.519 --> 00:41:28.139
He's in the opening credits, though.

965
00:41:28.260 --> 00:41:29.460
They would have had to redo this.

966
00:41:29.519 --> 00:41:31.920
Oh, Admiral Suttay is in full swing now.

967
00:41:31.980 --> 00:41:33.780
Marching down the corridor.

968
00:41:33.840 --> 00:41:37.019
Giving it instructions to Nella, who's tiding away.

969
00:41:37.079 --> 00:41:42.360
Picard goes in private and then Nella goes, oh, all right, so you

970
00:41:42.360 --> 00:41:42.960
stay here, darling.

971
00:41:43.019 --> 00:41:44.099
You stay here.

972
00:41:44.579 --> 00:41:48.119
The look, the look and the car gives her.

973
00:41:49.079 --> 00:41:51.119
She gets annoyed.

974
00:41:51.300 --> 00:41:52.800
And now she's really shitty.

975
00:41:52.860 --> 00:41:55.739
She's left behind in the scene just looking really annoying to

976
00:41:55.739 --> 00:41:56.400
being left down.

977
00:41:57.179 --> 00:42:00.119
I love that Picard calls her out here, though.

978
00:42:00.179 --> 00:42:01.380
Yeah, you know it.

979
00:42:01.440 --> 00:42:03.239
There were no volatile chemicals.

980
00:42:03.360 --> 00:42:05.099
You boxed him into a corner.

981
00:42:05.159 --> 00:42:06.780
You're hounding an innocent man.

982
00:42:06.840 --> 00:42:09.239
Yeah, it was a tactic away of applying pressure.

983
00:42:09.300 --> 00:42:10.980
It's just like, well, how is that acceptable?

984
00:42:11.039 --> 00:42:12.719
Like, you want to find out the truth?

985
00:42:12.780 --> 00:42:13.619
What are you doing?

986
00:42:13.619 --> 00:42:14.579
The very thing.

987
00:42:14.579 --> 00:42:16.679
You're accusing him.

988
00:42:16.739 --> 00:42:17.280
That's right.

989
00:42:17.340 --> 00:42:18.960
He lied on his application.

990
00:42:19.019 --> 00:42:22.739
Look who lied in court, you know, saving lied in court.

991
00:42:25.860 --> 00:42:28.440
Oh, boy, she's utterly convinced, isn't she?

992
00:42:28.500 --> 00:42:29.460
Yeah, yeah.

993
00:42:29.519 --> 00:42:33.840
And because she's a nutcase, she absolutely dismisses the idea

994
00:42:33.840 --> 00:42:38.400
that Picant could just sit down with him and ask him what happened

995
00:42:38.400 --> 00:42:41.820
like a normal person and he would tell the truth.

996
00:42:42.000 --> 00:42:44.340
I love a woman in power.

997
00:42:44.400 --> 00:42:48.059
I'll tell him, Picard, how can you be so utterly naive, Captain.

998
00:42:48.119 --> 00:42:48.840
She's great.

999
00:42:48.840 --> 00:42:50.760
And this is, I have no home.

1000
00:42:50.820 --> 00:42:51.599
I have no friends.

1001
00:42:51.659 --> 00:42:52.079
Really?

1002
00:42:52.139 --> 00:42:53.039
You?

1003
00:42:53.159 --> 00:42:54.059
No friends.

1004
00:42:54.119 --> 00:42:55.079
That's a...

1005
00:42:55.079 --> 00:42:55.920
I have a purpose.

1006
00:42:56.820 --> 00:43:01.739
My father taught me from the time I was a little girl clutching my

1007
00:43:01.739 --> 00:43:05.760
blanket that the United Federation Planets is the most remarkable

1008
00:43:05.760 --> 00:43:07.320
institution ever.

1009
00:43:07.440 --> 00:43:08.460
Oh, daddy issues.

1010
00:43:08.519 --> 00:43:11.219
Yeah, well, these are cause it's daddy issues.

1011
00:43:11.280 --> 00:43:16.139
But also, you know, this is what Deep Says 9 does.

1012
00:43:16.199 --> 00:43:20.159
Like, I love the idea that the United Federation of Planets is the

1013
00:43:20.159 --> 00:43:22.019
greatest institution ever conceived.

1014
00:43:22.079 --> 00:43:25.260
You know, like, and that's how I want to feel about it.

1015
00:43:25.320 --> 00:43:28.139
But if this is what happens, do you know what I mean?

1016
00:43:28.199 --> 00:43:30.780
The moment that a casing blows open.

1017
00:43:30.900 --> 00:43:32.579
Something's gone horribly wrong.

1018
00:43:32.639 --> 00:43:36.360
And obviously, you know, Deep Sace 9 is investigating the

1019
00:43:36.360 --> 00:43:39.719
Federation from the left, you know, because it's America.

1020
00:43:39.840 --> 00:43:40.860
Yeah.

1021
00:43:40.860 --> 00:43:42.659
It's wonderful.

1022
00:43:42.719 --> 00:43:45.659
He stands up to her and goes, this is going to stop.

1023
00:43:45.719 --> 00:43:49.139
And she says, I'm sorry to tell you this, Captain.

1024
00:43:49.199 --> 00:43:52.679
But I've already gone over your head and softly knows everything.

1025
00:43:52.739 --> 00:43:54.119
It's great isn't it?

1026
00:43:54.179 --> 00:43:55.739
She's really, really good.

1027
00:43:56.039 --> 00:43:58.739
It's so terrifying, isn't it?

1028
00:43:58.800 --> 00:44:01.380
Like, have you ever worked with people in positions of power, that

1029
00:44:01.380 --> 00:44:03.840
abuse those positions of power to hurt people.

1030
00:44:03.900 --> 00:44:05.820
It is really, really scary.

1031
00:44:05.880 --> 00:44:09.719
And the fact that, honestly, she plays it so well.

1032
00:44:09.780 --> 00:44:11.699
Yeah, yeah, she's really good, isn't she?

1033
00:44:11.820 --> 00:44:12.539
Utterly cold.

1034
00:44:12.599 --> 00:44:15.659
I report to Starfleet command directly.

1035
00:44:15.719 --> 00:44:19.619
I do not need your permission or approval for my decisions.

1036
00:44:19.679 --> 00:44:21.239
So great.

1037
00:44:21.300 --> 00:44:23.400
And then she then she just flounces out the room.

1038
00:44:23.400 --> 00:44:25.559
She smiles at him and flounces out.

1039
00:44:25.559 --> 00:44:28.860
And this at the doorway, I think, is great.

1040
00:44:28.860 --> 00:44:30.059
And I love his speech.

1041
00:44:30.119 --> 00:44:30.840
I'll stop you.

1042
00:44:30.900 --> 00:44:32.699
It's unethical.

1043
00:44:32.760 --> 00:44:33.900
It's immoral.

1044
00:44:33.960 --> 00:44:35.159
I'll stop you.

1045
00:44:35.219 --> 00:44:36.900
I'll fight it he says.

1046
00:44:36.960 --> 00:44:39.360
I think that's a really well written line too.

1047
00:44:39.599 --> 00:44:45.900
Ah, and look, we're looking just slightly up at her in that shot

1048
00:44:45.900 --> 00:44:46.440
as well.

1049
00:44:46.500 --> 00:44:49.500
She's looking down at the ca- you know, she's looking down over

1050
00:44:49.500 --> 00:44:49.800
us.

1051
00:44:49.860 --> 00:44:52.559
Now, what's the woman's name with a pad again?

1052
00:44:52.619 --> 00:44:53.699
Nellon.

1053
00:44:53.760 --> 00:44:55.139
What Nellon?

1054
00:44:55.199 --> 00:44:55.860
Nellon.

1055
00:44:55.920 --> 00:44:56.099
Yeah.

1056
00:44:56.159 --> 00:44:58.019
Watch now how she comes in, right?

1057
00:44:58.079 --> 00:44:59.159
She comes out Otoberlift.

1058
00:44:59.219 --> 00:45:00.719
And instead of just going round this way.

1059
00:45:00.780 --> 00:45:04.619
No, no, she walks the whole bridge around Pass Riker.

1060
00:45:04.679 --> 00:45:06.059
Look, watch her.

1061
00:45:08.159 --> 00:45:10.440
She could have gone the other way.

1062
00:45:10.500 --> 00:45:12.059
She'd have been there a long quicker, no.

1063
00:45:12.119 --> 00:45:14.159
We have to know she's coming.

1064
00:45:14.219 --> 00:45:16.440
I'm taking the whole bridge in.

1065
00:45:16.619 --> 00:45:23.460
And say she's got terrifying teeth and she's like she's got a

1066
00:45:23.460 --> 00:45:28.619
voice, she can talk and she's scary and she gives him her iPod

1067
00:45:28.619 --> 00:45:29.579
touch there.

1068
00:45:29.639 --> 00:45:32.699
Um, and he's kind of like, really, she can talk.

1069
00:45:32.760 --> 00:45:34.559
I didn't think she was being paid to talk.

1070
00:45:34.619 --> 00:45:37.739
Like, that's the end of the end.

1071
00:45:37.739 --> 00:45:38.760
She's summoning me.

1072
00:45:38.820 --> 00:45:39.420
Me?

1073
00:45:39.840 --> 00:45:42.599
What the hell was she raked up on me?

1074
00:45:42.659 --> 00:45:43.199
Oh, God.

1075
00:45:43.260 --> 00:45:45.239
So he's about to find out.

1076
00:45:45.239 --> 00:45:48.119
I'm driving on an Excelsior class starship.

1077
00:45:48.179 --> 00:45:51.840
I just thought, I don't think he gets any lives. sits there and

1078
00:45:51.840 --> 00:45:52.559
watch his proceedings.

1079
00:45:52.619 --> 00:45:54.179
Yeah, yeah, he does.

1080
00:45:54.239 --> 00:45:58.980
But he does get to give her a look and it's very clear what he

1081
00:45:58.980 --> 00:46:00.719
thinks about how mad she is.

1082
00:46:00.780 --> 00:46:02.699
Nathan, where is this set?

1083
00:46:03.119 --> 00:46:05.940
I don't know if we ever go here ever again.

1084
00:46:06.000 --> 00:46:09.239
It's the accusing parlour, it's called.

1085
00:46:10.199 --> 00:46:13.260
Does every galaxy class ship have one?

1086
00:46:13.320 --> 00:46:14.639
No, it's right.

1087
00:46:14.639 --> 00:46:17.460
That's for a Futurama.

1088
00:46:17.519 --> 00:46:20.219
They have the accusing parlour.

1089
00:46:20.280 --> 00:46:22.920
You know, when they're sort of designing the things.

1090
00:46:22.980 --> 00:46:24.539
You haven't put the accusing parlour in you.

1091
00:46:24.599 --> 00:46:26.460
Remember how many trials we have, all right?

1092
00:46:27.300 --> 00:46:30.599
And like the opening statement thing is just you can't have an

1093
00:46:30.599 --> 00:46:31.320
opening statement.

1094
00:46:31.380 --> 00:46:33.719
He goes, yes, I can. and this is the law.

1095
00:46:33.780 --> 00:46:36.360
It's just like she doesn't even give a shit what the law is.

1096
00:46:36.420 --> 00:46:40.199
You know, she knows that he has the right to an opening statement

1097
00:46:40.199 --> 00:46:43.739
but she's going to try and bullying him, bullying him into not

1098
00:46:43.739 --> 00:46:44.280
having it.

1099
00:46:44.340 --> 00:46:46.739
But what Frank Star's hair is.

1100
00:46:46.800 --> 00:46:48.900
He's got the camera going around the room, right?

1101
00:46:48.900 --> 00:46:53.219
As if this is a great Captain Picard sum up speech of, this is how

1102
00:46:53.219 --> 00:46:55.199
I'm going to bring all this bullshit to an end.

1103
00:46:55.260 --> 00:46:55.980
And it doesn't.

1104
00:46:56.099 --> 00:47:00.059
And it feels like we, you know, like injustice or several episodes

1105
00:47:00.059 --> 00:47:02.699
that we've done and then she pulls the rug.

1106
00:47:02.820 --> 00:47:04.559
Bring it up, Wall 359.

1107
00:47:04.739 --> 00:47:06.300
Yep, it's great.

1108
00:47:06.360 --> 00:47:07.500
It is good, isn't it?

1109
00:47:07.559 --> 00:47:08.039
You're right.

1110
00:47:08.099 --> 00:47:10.139
He, like, he, he goes.

1111
00:47:10.199 --> 00:47:14.219
It's a tracking cross a tracking shot across and then it slowly

1112
00:47:14.219 --> 00:47:18.059
moves into him and it's a great speech and the way he delivers it

1113
00:47:18.059 --> 00:47:21.420
would have been so TNG to have ended it.

1114
00:47:21.480 --> 00:47:22.860
Instead, yeah.

1115
00:47:22.860 --> 00:47:25.800
I brought out better men than you, Picard.

1116
00:47:25.920 --> 00:47:30.840
I think it's a really well to live in speech too, because he's

1117
00:47:30.840 --> 00:47:31.980
kind of a bit relaxed.

1118
00:47:32.039 --> 00:47:32.940
Do you know what I mean?

1119
00:47:33.059 --> 00:47:35.760
Like he's not, he's just talking normally.

1120
00:47:35.820 --> 00:47:38.400
He's not or rating or anything like that.

1121
00:47:38.460 --> 00:47:42.599
Like, and he's thinking, you know, like he pauses to think all the

1122
00:47:42.599 --> 00:47:42.900
time.

1123
00:47:42.960 --> 00:47:43.679
I think it's good.

1124
00:47:43.739 --> 00:47:46.559
Imagine Shatner given this speech.

1125
00:47:46.559 --> 00:47:50.639
I need a tornish show off by now.

1126
00:47:52.019 --> 00:47:54.300
Quick shot of the admiral.

1127
00:47:54.360 --> 00:47:54.780
Don't talk.

1128
00:47:54.840 --> 00:47:56.159
You're not being paid for it, all right?

1129
00:47:56.280 --> 00:47:57.539
Yeah, yep, yep.

1130
00:47:57.599 --> 00:47:58.139
Yeah.

1131
00:47:58.199 --> 00:48:02.460
I love her line here and her delivery is so great.

1132
00:48:02.519 --> 00:48:07.079
And so she's talking about the prime directive and she goes, you

1133
00:48:07.079 --> 00:48:08.880
know that you violate it 9 times.

1134
00:48:08.940 --> 00:48:10.260
Would you be surprised?

1135
00:48:10.320 --> 00:48:12.420
Would you be surprised to learn?

1136
00:48:12.480 --> 00:48:15.599
I can tell you, it's a prize of hell. surprised about hell out of

1137
00:48:15.599 --> 00:48:15.780
me.

1138
00:48:15.840 --> 00:48:19.739
It's so funny.

1139
00:48:19.800 --> 00:48:23.099
And she delivers it because everything has been so prim and proper

1140
00:48:23.099 --> 00:48:25.559
and she just says it's surprised the hell out of me in a really

1141
00:48:25.559 --> 00:48:27.300
kind of colloquial way.

1142
00:48:27.360 --> 00:48:27.840
She's wonderful.

1143
00:48:27.900 --> 00:48:28.440
She's great.

1144
00:48:28.559 --> 00:48:31.380
I hope you notice her body language, but throughout the rest of

1145
00:48:31.380 --> 00:48:33.360
the episode, during the trial scene, she's been sitting up.

1146
00:48:33.360 --> 00:48:37.440
Right now, she is really relaxed in a power position.

1147
00:48:37.500 --> 00:48:38.880
She's got it.

1148
00:48:38.880 --> 00:48:42.840
Her arm's sort of hanging loose, jackers in her eyes. she's got

1149
00:48:42.840 --> 00:48:44.039
all the right words to say.

1150
00:48:44.099 --> 00:48:47.639
So now we've got a reference to Data's day.

1151
00:48:48.539 --> 00:48:51.840
Which was a previous time.

1152
00:48:51.900 --> 00:48:52.679
Yeah.

1153
00:48:52.739 --> 00:48:57.420
So it's a previous time where what we thought was a Vulcan

1154
00:48:57.420 --> 00:49:02.159
ambassador actually turned out to be a Romulan, so it's another

1155
00:49:02.159 --> 00:49:07.199
occasion where someone of Romulan has passed themselves off as a

1156
00:49:07.199 --> 00:49:07.619
Vulcan.

1157
00:49:07.679 --> 00:49:08.820
Great, isn't it?

1158
00:49:08.880 --> 00:49:13.199
The way they, you know, and how there's probably a ton of episodes

1159
00:49:13.199 --> 00:49:17.219
where they could pull out, you know, things that he's done. that

1160
00:49:17.219 --> 00:49:17.820
you could question.

1161
00:49:17.880 --> 00:49:21.480
Certainly one of those 9 has to have been justice, remember?

1162
00:49:22.019 --> 00:49:28.079
But she's narrating, you know, that final act of data's day.

1163
00:49:28.139 --> 00:49:31.139
And that's the plot that happens in the background that we don't

1164
00:49:31.139 --> 00:49:33.960
get to properly see because we're mostly concentrating on Keiko

1165
00:49:33.960 --> 00:49:35.460
and Miles's wedding, remember?

1166
00:49:35.519 --> 00:49:38.639
And here's where she loses wharf, isn't it?

1167
00:49:39.239 --> 00:49:42.719
Yeah, oh, yeah, Warf's waiting a bit now, isn't he?

1168
00:49:42.780 --> 00:49:43.260
Oh, shit.

1169
00:49:43.260 --> 00:49:46.619
He stands up to her and says, I don't believe you anymore.

1170
00:49:46.679 --> 00:49:49.019
Oh, yeah. and then he suddenly gets accused.

1171
00:49:49.079 --> 00:49:51.420
And now it's about him.

1172
00:49:51.480 --> 00:49:52.679
Now it becomes about warf.

1173
00:49:52.739 --> 00:49:53.940
Why do you have wharf on board?

1174
00:49:54.000 --> 00:49:57.539
Fingers are pointing in every direction.

1175
00:49:57.539 --> 00:50:01.500
But if you dare to stand up to her, you're next, is the...

1176
00:50:01.559 --> 00:50:03.539
Could they have just found something on Dr. Beverly?

1177
00:50:03.599 --> 00:50:05.340
I would have loved to seen her squirm for a little bit.

1178
00:50:05.400 --> 00:50:06.119
It would be great.

1179
00:50:06.179 --> 00:50:07.320
She would have killed it.

1180
00:50:07.380 --> 00:50:10.860
Captain, isn't it true that you brought in the most useless

1181
00:50:10.860 --> 00:50:12.900
betasoids on the entire planet?

1182
00:50:15.239 --> 00:50:22.860
Oh, he must have been awful for you. actually becoming one of

1183
00:50:22.860 --> 00:50:23.219
them.

1184
00:50:24.420 --> 00:50:29.760
But his response where it's just like, this is fucking bullshit

1185
00:50:29.820 --> 00:50:31.440
and how dare you go there?

1186
00:50:31.500 --> 00:50:32.940
Do you know what I mean?

1187
00:50:33.000 --> 00:50:35.460
Like his initial reaction is really good.

1188
00:50:36.300 --> 00:50:39.480
Yeah, performance hit is bang on.

1189
00:50:39.480 --> 00:50:42.719
Because, like, I'm not hearing her performance yet, and her body

1190
00:50:42.719 --> 00:50:47.460
language is all sympathy, but I know her, the words coming out of

1191
00:50:47.460 --> 00:50:49.199
her mouth are all accusatory.

1192
00:50:49.260 --> 00:50:51.599
Yeah, yeah, and here she goes.

1193
00:50:51.659 --> 00:50:53.880
I question your loyalty.

1194
00:50:57.000 --> 00:51:00.659
Watch her face as he starts quoting this.

1195
00:51:00.719 --> 00:51:01.980
It's so good.

1196
00:51:02.039 --> 00:51:04.500
And it's just like, all right, fuck you.

1197
00:51:04.559 --> 00:51:07.500
Here's what I'm going to do, miss daddy issues.

1198
00:51:07.559 --> 00:51:11.280
I'm going to absolutely ruin your career now.

1199
00:51:11.400 --> 00:51:14.940
So you just sit there while I deliver this speech.

1200
00:51:15.059 --> 00:51:19.739
And he's not looking at her and he's not kind of grandstanding or

1201
00:51:19.739 --> 00:51:20.460
anything like that.

1202
00:51:20.579 --> 00:51:24.480
She sort of comes forward and sort of starts standing up.

1203
00:51:24.960 --> 00:51:25.980
She's right into counts.

1204
00:51:26.039 --> 00:51:27.599
She is waiting to bounce.

1205
00:51:27.719 --> 00:51:29.039
But she's shaking.

1206
00:51:29.099 --> 00:51:31.920
You know, like she's not in control anymore.

1207
00:51:32.099 --> 00:51:32.519
Here we go.

1208
00:51:32.579 --> 00:51:34.139
How dare you?

1209
00:51:34.199 --> 00:51:37.619
You who consult with Romulans.

1210
00:51:37.679 --> 00:51:39.059
So great.

1211
00:51:39.119 --> 00:51:40.139
It's so good.

1212
00:51:40.199 --> 00:51:42.179
It's tearing up.

1213
00:51:42.239 --> 00:51:44.639
It's traitorous arguments.

1214
00:51:44.699 --> 00:51:48.000
It is an offence to hear those words.

1215
00:51:48.059 --> 00:51:49.679
Oh, she's wonderful.

1216
00:51:49.739 --> 00:51:51.119
It was so great.

1217
00:51:51.179 --> 00:51:52.739
So I look...

1218
00:51:52.739 --> 00:51:57.960
And as Simon, Simon was there watching a loose as shit.

1219
00:51:58.320 --> 00:52:01.980
You dirty his name when you speak it.

1220
00:52:02.039 --> 00:52:02.639
He loves that.

1221
00:52:02.699 --> 00:52:06.300
Oh, she has got some serious daddy issues, isn't she?

1222
00:52:06.360 --> 00:52:09.900
And look at like Admiral Henry's kind of going, what the fuck is

1223
00:52:09.900 --> 00:52:10.139
that?

1224
00:52:14.400 --> 00:52:16.860
Yeah, okay, see ya.

1225
00:52:16.920 --> 00:52:18.179
I'm out.

1226
00:52:18.239 --> 00:52:19.139
That's great.

1227
00:52:19.199 --> 00:52:21.239
And he walks behind her, doesn't he?

1228
00:52:21.300 --> 00:52:25.199
You know, he walks in front of the camera and just leaves.

1229
00:52:25.260 --> 00:52:26.820
Not a word, though.

1230
00:52:26.880 --> 00:52:30.599
Not say anything. and we know, do you know what I mean?

1231
00:52:30.659 --> 00:52:31.860
That's it and she knows.

1232
00:52:31.980 --> 00:52:36.360
And then what Jonathan does, look at the shaking...

1233
00:52:36.420 --> 00:52:38.820
She sits down broken.

1234
00:52:38.880 --> 00:52:42.780
She knows her career is over now because of how she's behaved and

1235
00:52:42.780 --> 00:52:44.579
everybody leaves the room around her.

1236
00:52:44.639 --> 00:52:48.960
But also the camera pulls back so she gets smaller and smaller and

1237
00:52:48.960 --> 00:52:52.500
smaller. the fuck, didn't they end the episode here?

1238
00:52:52.559 --> 00:52:53.760
Yeah, yeah.

1239
00:52:53.760 --> 00:52:54.360
It's perfect.

1240
00:52:54.420 --> 00:52:57.000
It's a perfect shot coming away from her.

1241
00:52:57.059 --> 00:53:00.900
Look how small she is compared to Saban in that 2 shot as well.

1242
00:53:00.960 --> 00:53:02.280
Like he dwarfs her.

1243
00:53:02.340 --> 00:53:06.360
Um, uh, and then this is the final shot.

1244
00:53:06.420 --> 00:53:07.980
She's not looking at anyone.

1245
00:53:08.039 --> 00:53:11.820
Everyone gets up and leaves the room, and the camera pulls back

1246
00:53:11.820 --> 00:53:18.000
and goes up, so she's just shrinking before her, before her eyes

1247
00:53:18.000 --> 00:53:21.119
and the last person leaves is Nella, who just kind of goes, yeah

1248
00:53:21.119 --> 00:53:22.559
sorry, love, you're fine.

1249
00:53:22.619 --> 00:53:23.460
See ya.

1250
00:53:27.420 --> 00:53:29.159
Don't worry.

1251
00:53:29.219 --> 00:53:32.280
There's plenty of psychotic admirals I could be taking notes for.

1252
00:53:32.340 --> 00:53:34.860
Yeah, but then we have to have this scene.

1253
00:53:34.920 --> 00:53:38.639
It's kind of like, well, Captain Picard. just one thing I don't

1254
00:53:38.639 --> 00:53:39.119
understand.

1255
00:53:39.179 --> 00:53:43.860
Oh, I like the point of what he's saying, but we've made the

1256
00:53:43.860 --> 00:53:44.099
point.

1257
00:53:44.159 --> 00:53:46.019
Yeah, that was what the episode was about.

1258
00:53:46.139 --> 00:53:47.579
I didn't just watch that episode.

1259
00:53:47.639 --> 00:53:49.679
We didn't need the moral.

1260
00:53:49.800 --> 00:53:54.960
We did perhaps need to reconcile Worf and Picard after their

1261
00:53:54.960 --> 00:53:58.980
conflict before, but we did have Worf stand up for him in the

1262
00:53:58.980 --> 00:54:02.820
trial and that would experience what it was like to be accused.

1263
00:54:03.659 --> 00:54:06.900
There's no better shot than her shrinking into the screen.

1264
00:54:06.960 --> 00:54:08.219
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1265
00:54:08.219 --> 00:54:09.300
To end the episode on.

1266
00:54:09.420 --> 00:54:12.780
But they never do that in Star Trek, the Next Generation. because

1267
00:54:12.780 --> 00:54:17.219
it is very kind of, you know, there are formal rules about how an

1268
00:54:17.219 --> 00:54:21.480
episode is constructed and it very rarely ends without a scene.

1269
00:54:21.539 --> 00:54:26.639
Torture of heretics, burning of witches. in the blink of an eye

1270
00:54:26.639 --> 00:54:29.940
Nathan. suddenly it threatens to start all over again.

1271
00:54:30.239 --> 00:54:33.420
I mean, that's when the climate's right.

1272
00:54:33.480 --> 00:54:34.619
Yeah, it's beautiful.

1273
00:54:34.679 --> 00:54:35.639
And you know what?

1274
00:54:35.699 --> 00:54:37.619
Like, I like what he's saying.

1275
00:54:37.679 --> 00:54:38.280
I don't really.

1276
00:54:38.400 --> 00:54:42.239
I think the dialogue is a bit forced, but I do the point that he's

1277
00:54:42.239 --> 00:54:42.480
making.

1278
00:54:42.539 --> 00:54:44.219
It's a good point to make.

1279
00:54:44.280 --> 00:54:46.860
Yes, when the circumstances are right.

1280
00:54:46.920 --> 00:54:51.000
There will always be, you know, admiral satays there waiting to

1281
00:54:51.000 --> 00:54:52.920
point the finger and take advantage of it.

1282
00:54:52.980 --> 00:54:56.400
But yes, we have just seen that for 40 minutes.

1283
00:54:56.460 --> 00:54:57.360
Yeah.

1284
00:54:57.420 --> 00:55:01.139
And also this, like, again, because the episode has nothing to say

1285
00:55:01.139 --> 00:55:06.840
about what went on here or how it happens or what features of the

1286
00:55:06.840 --> 00:55:10.260
society allow this sort of behaviour to flourish.

1287
00:55:10.320 --> 00:55:11.340
Do you know what I mean?

1288
00:55:11.400 --> 00:55:12.239
There's nothing here.

1289
00:55:12.300 --> 00:55:13.619
There's no context.

1290
00:55:13.679 --> 00:55:15.539
And so the episode doesn't have anything to say.

1291
00:55:15.599 --> 00:55:17.519
That's a shame, isn't it?

1292
00:55:17.579 --> 00:55:18.960
I did really feel that this time.

1293
00:55:19.019 --> 00:55:21.960
Do you know, he almost looks straight out the camera then and when

1294
00:55:21.960 --> 00:55:25.199
you know, but people like her will always be with us.

1295
00:55:25.260 --> 00:55:29.400
Keep on your guard or the Star Trek the next generation.

1296
00:55:29.639 --> 00:55:33.539
Yeah, I mean, that final scene is quite good with the 2 of them

1297
00:55:33.539 --> 00:55:37.739
walking off, and it's very rare for us to see a shot, and trust me

1298
00:55:37.739 --> 00:55:41.400
I've looked of just the sets without anyone in it, and so they

1299
00:55:41.400 --> 00:55:42.900
just get to walk out of shot.

1300
00:55:42.960 --> 00:55:45.000
From a distance, the high shot.

1301
00:55:45.059 --> 00:55:45.719
Do you know what I mean?

1302
00:55:45.780 --> 00:55:49.019
Like, I think, you know, Jonathan is a good director already.

1303
00:55:49.079 --> 00:55:53.280
And, you know, it's no surprise that he's still going strong doing

1304
00:55:53.280 --> 00:55:54.059
Star Trek.

1305
00:55:54.119 --> 00:55:56.519
Like you said they're about the context.

1306
00:55:56.579 --> 00:56:00.119
If they didn't have an actress as strong as Gene Simmons in that

1307
00:56:00.119 --> 00:56:05.039
central role, just making that power position so frightening, I

1308
00:56:05.039 --> 00:56:07.920
think that would really, really affect this episode.

1309
00:56:07.980 --> 00:56:10.440
Yeah, but because she's so compelling to watch.

1310
00:56:10.500 --> 00:56:11.639
Yeah, yeah.

1311
00:56:11.699 --> 00:56:13.260
It kind of doesn't matter, you know?

1312
00:56:13.320 --> 00:56:14.400
No, no.

1313
00:56:14.460 --> 00:56:18.059
And like, I like that genre of Star Trek, the Next Generation

1314
00:56:18.059 --> 00:56:22.559
episode the one where there's a guy and he or she comes in and

1315
00:56:22.559 --> 00:56:24.059
they're the focus of the episode.

1316
00:56:24.119 --> 00:56:28.679
We just get a big guest starring and concentrate on them.

1317
00:56:28.739 --> 00:56:30.900
I think that's a thing that works really well.

1318
00:56:30.960 --> 00:56:34.019
And maybe this is the best one of those because she's so

1319
00:56:34.019 --> 00:56:34.800
magnificent.

1320
00:56:34.860 --> 00:56:40.139
I mean, honestly, Admiral Nachayev is only a few bits removed from

1321
00:56:40.139 --> 00:56:41.639
Admiral, I say, isn't she?

1322
00:56:41.699 --> 00:56:44.039
Given the right circumstances.

1323
00:56:44.099 --> 00:56:48.719
I mean, I do wonder what they go through when they go from, what

1324
00:56:48.719 --> 00:56:50.099
is it, captain to Admiral?

1325
00:56:50.159 --> 00:56:51.119
Is it Captain to Admiral?

1326
00:56:51.179 --> 00:56:52.619
Yeah, yeah, they turn evil.

1327
00:56:52.679 --> 00:56:55.380
Generally speaking, when we meet these people, they all are

1328
00:56:55.380 --> 00:56:56.400
fucking bonkers.

1329
00:56:56.519 --> 00:56:57.599
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1330
00:56:57.659 --> 00:56:58.199
Yeah, yeah.

1331
00:56:58.260 --> 00:56:59.760
Mariner's dad is normal.

1332
00:56:59.820 --> 00:57:00.840
He's quite okay.

1333
00:57:00.900 --> 00:57:05.579
And Barry, despite being a shitty actor, is Barry?

1334
00:57:05.639 --> 00:57:06.539
Oh, Harry Jenner.

1335
00:57:06.539 --> 00:57:09.780
He's like, yeah, he's like sort of the daddy.

1336
00:57:09.780 --> 00:57:11.280
Yeah.

1337
00:57:11.340 --> 00:57:12.239
It's sweet.

1338
00:57:12.300 --> 00:57:13.500
We like him, you know.

1339
00:57:14.039 --> 00:57:17.699
You can imagine him smoking a pipe and drinking a beer.

1340
00:57:17.760 --> 00:57:22.079
And Admiral Paris obviously is. a weirdo too.

1341
00:57:22.199 --> 00:57:23.940
So yeah, yeah.

1342
00:57:24.059 --> 00:57:29.219
Jesus Christ, this is a great year of Star Trek generation series

1343
00:57:29.219 --> 00:57:29.519
4.

1344
00:57:29.699 --> 00:57:32.940
Now, there are some weak spots that like devil's due.

1345
00:57:33.000 --> 00:57:34.260
I know what you're going to say.

1346
00:57:34.320 --> 00:57:35.400
No, no, no.

1347
00:57:35.460 --> 00:57:37.619
That's kind of weeks, but that's a glorious episode.

1348
00:57:37.800 --> 00:57:42.960
Another great trial episode, too, with an impressive final scene.

1349
00:57:43.019 --> 00:57:44.699
I love that episode so much.

1350
00:57:44.760 --> 00:57:45.719
It's one of my favourites.

1351
00:57:45.780 --> 00:57:46.619
I can't wait till we do it.

1352
00:57:46.679 --> 00:57:51.599
I think I think 5 is where things start to get a little, there's

1353
00:57:51.599 --> 00:57:54.659
still great stuff in five, but the, the, it gets a bit bland

1354
00:57:54.659 --> 00:57:59.099
though, and they get a bit complacent at times, but 3 and four.

1355
00:57:59.159 --> 00:58:00.659
Everything we've done in 3 and four.

1356
00:58:00.719 --> 00:58:02.099
Yeah.

1357
00:58:02.099 --> 00:58:03.420
Good grief.

1358
00:58:03.480 --> 00:58:05.760
I mean, think of some of the season one episodes we've watched.

1359
00:58:05.940 --> 00:58:09.360
How did they get from there to here in 2 years?

1360
00:58:09.420 --> 00:58:10.559
It's amazing.

1361
00:58:10.559 --> 00:58:11.340
Oh, that's right.

1362
00:58:11.400 --> 00:58:12.420
Michael Pillar.

1363
00:58:12.480 --> 00:58:13.320
Michael Pillar.

1364
00:58:13.380 --> 00:58:16.559
But, you know, let's props to Jerry Taylor too, who knew that it

1365
00:58:16.559 --> 00:58:19.559
was all about the characters here and absolutely focussed on

1366
00:58:19.559 --> 00:58:19.860
them.

1367
00:58:19.920 --> 00:58:21.300
It wasn't just the trial.

1368
00:58:21.360 --> 00:58:24.840
It was Simon, it was her, and it was Saban, and it was Worf being

1369
00:58:24.840 --> 00:58:27.000
deceived, and all of that sort of stuff.

1370
00:58:27.059 --> 00:58:29.940
And I think that's a pretty good episode.

1371
00:58:29.940 --> 00:58:33.659
And it's got to be an early episode for her and she really killed

1372
00:58:33.659 --> 00:58:34.139
it, I think.

1373
00:58:34.199 --> 00:58:39.179
And of course, props to Gene Simmons, who walked into this sort of

1374
00:58:39.179 --> 00:58:41.460
we're not going about one a month show.

1375
00:58:42.539 --> 00:58:46.920
Spouting Techna Battle and delivering one of the most memorable

1376
00:58:46.920 --> 00:58:49.860
come down scenes ever.

1377
00:58:49.920 --> 00:58:53.280
I mean, I've got to say, I did come into this episode just

1378
00:58:53.280 --> 00:58:55.559
watching it thinking, you know, maybe I'm really going to hate

1379
00:58:55.559 --> 00:58:58.380
this and I'll get a chance to say, you know, I've brought down

1380
00:58:58.380 --> 00:59:00.719
better episodes than you, the drumhead.

1381
00:59:00.780 --> 00:59:04.500
But unfortunately, I've had to say that in jest.

1382
00:59:04.559 --> 00:59:05.699
It is wonderful.

1383
00:59:12.480 --> 00:59:16.380
All right, it's the end of the episode and it's time for us to

1384
00:59:16.380 --> 00:59:18.239
work out where we're going next.

1385
00:59:18.300 --> 00:59:23.880
We've long been promising, I think, an episode of Star Trek, the

1386
00:59:23.880 --> 00:59:24.659
original series.

1387
00:59:24.719 --> 00:59:28.739
It's been a while since we did one, and so that's what's on the

1388
00:59:28.739 --> 00:59:29.820
menu for next week.

1389
00:59:29.880 --> 00:59:31.500
It's my turn to choose.

1390
00:59:31.559 --> 00:59:35.519
Last time, Joe, you made the excellent choice of the drumhead.

1391
00:59:35.579 --> 00:59:39.960
And so I'm going to see how I go with the original series.

1392
00:59:40.019 --> 00:59:44.159
I'm going to apologise, like, because obviously, I'm the reason

1393
00:59:44.159 --> 00:59:47.940
why we keep going back to 90s trek, but, yeah, just to explain

1394
00:59:47.940 --> 00:59:52.559
that we did learning curve and the neutral zone on the bout.

1395
00:59:52.619 --> 00:59:57.119
So I obviously I needed some kind of a reminder as to why 90s trek

1396
00:59:57.119 --> 00:59:58.800
was worth watching for all of those years.

1397
00:59:58.860 --> 01:00:03.000
Then we did, you are quarterly invited, countdown, and the

1398
01:00:03.000 --> 01:00:04.260
drumhead back to back.

1399
01:00:04.320 --> 01:00:08.400
So by faith is restored, let's go to the original series.

1400
01:00:08.460 --> 01:00:10.559
All right, that's a brilliant plan.

1401
01:00:10.619 --> 01:00:11.099
Okay.

1402
01:00:11.159 --> 01:00:13.559
I will press the button in that case.

1403
01:00:14.579 --> 01:00:19.320
Your random Star Trek, the original series episode is errand of

1404
01:00:19.320 --> 01:00:22.739
mercy, season one, episode 26.

1405
01:00:23.820 --> 01:00:27.900
I don't know this one at all, but I do know that it's terribly

1406
01:00:27.900 --> 01:00:34.260
famous and it's, um, it does have one of the Klingons in it.

1407
01:00:34.320 --> 01:00:39.599
One of the sort of 3 main Klingons who later turn up in Deep Space

1408
01:00:39.599 --> 01:00:40.380
9.

1409
01:00:40.440 --> 01:00:44.519
This time it's core and we're heading to the planet Organia, the

1410
01:00:44.519 --> 01:00:45.480
Treaty of Organia.

1411
01:00:45.539 --> 01:00:50.099
So it's a bit of a big one, a famous one, but I don't know it very

1412
01:00:50.099 --> 01:00:50.340
well.

1413
01:00:50.820 --> 01:00:53.099
I don't know it either.

1414
01:00:53.159 --> 01:00:55.679
And we did press the button last time I'd do the 1st one.

1415
01:00:55.739 --> 01:00:56.340
Press it again.

1416
01:00:56.460 --> 01:00:57.360
Okay, all right.

1417
01:00:57.480 --> 01:00:59.280
Plus, you know, Klingon episodes.

1418
01:00:59.340 --> 01:01:00.599
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1419
01:01:01.559 --> 01:01:03.119
All right.

1420
01:01:04.440 --> 01:01:08.099
Okay I think this is a terribly boring one.

1421
01:01:08.219 --> 01:01:13.980
It's Star Trek, the original series, season two, episode two, who

1422
01:01:13.980 --> 01:01:15.719
mourns for Adonise.

1423
01:01:15.840 --> 01:01:17.820
Oh, what's that about?

1424
01:01:17.880 --> 01:01:22.019
It's a giant god is Apollo, I think.

1425
01:01:22.559 --> 01:01:28.800
Oh, yeah, the giant... who kind of monsters everyone and scares

1426
01:01:28.800 --> 01:01:29.639
the hell out of everyone.

1427
01:01:29.699 --> 01:01:33.239
Oh, I mean, that could be fun, but...

1428
01:01:33.239 --> 01:01:34.320
It could be fun.

1429
01:01:34.380 --> 01:01:37.079
Let's try another one I think we should we should try and get

1430
01:01:37.079 --> 01:01:39.480
something really juicy, you know, going back to TOS.

1431
01:01:39.539 --> 01:01:40.139
All right.

1432
01:01:41.699 --> 01:01:46.079
Okay, it's season three, episode 12, the empath.

1433
01:01:46.199 --> 01:01:48.119
I don't know any of these episodes.

1434
01:01:48.239 --> 01:01:49.920
Am I even a Star Trek fan?

1435
01:01:49.980 --> 01:01:54.599
Well, I have seen who mourns for Adonise, to be fair. and it's a

1436
01:01:54.599 --> 01:01:55.260
bit boring.

1437
01:01:55.920 --> 01:01:57.480
Listen to this.

1438
01:01:57.539 --> 01:02:00.480
Listen to how mid this sounds, attempting to determine the

1439
01:02:00.480 --> 01:02:02.880
whereabouts of omitting research colony.

1440
01:02:02.940 --> 01:02:07.199
Kirk Spock and McCoy, of course, suddenly find themselves the

1441
01:02:07.199 --> 01:02:09.599
pawns in a deadly alien experiment.

1442
01:02:09.659 --> 01:02:13.440
See, the trouble is that I could theorise about what this is going

1443
01:02:13.440 --> 01:02:15.659
to be like, and given that it's in series 3.

1444
01:02:16.440 --> 01:02:19.199
It might be just one of the ones where we stand around while

1445
01:02:19.199 --> 01:02:22.679
powerful aliens kind of torment everyone until we get sick of it

1446
01:02:22.679 --> 01:02:23.760
and then leave.

1447
01:02:23.820 --> 01:02:28.440
I mean, Jamma gives us 3.5 stars out of four.

1448
01:02:28.500 --> 01:02:31.139
And he's very hard on season three. he?

1449
01:02:31.199 --> 01:02:36.599
Yeah. starts it by saying a little money can go a long way.

1450
01:02:36.659 --> 01:02:38.039
Right.

1451
01:02:38.099 --> 01:02:39.960
And it probably did cost a little money.

1452
01:02:40.500 --> 01:02:41.940
Yes.

1453
01:02:42.840 --> 01:02:45.119
I don't know it at all.

1454
01:02:45.179 --> 01:02:47.519
I'm prepared to give it a go. do you think?

1455
01:02:47.579 --> 01:02:48.480
I think we should.

1456
01:02:48.539 --> 01:02:51.780
I think let's go in completely blind with 0 expectations.

1457
01:02:51.840 --> 01:02:52.800
All right, no worries.

1458
01:02:52.860 --> 01:02:56.219
The only expectation we'll have is that Jamma really liked it, so

1459
01:02:56.219 --> 01:02:57.119
we probably won't.

1460
01:02:57.239 --> 01:02:58.079
Probably be terrible.

1461
01:02:58.139 --> 01:03:03.179
So the thing is, the thing that I can't help thinking is there are

1462
01:03:03.179 --> 01:03:06.000
lots of people listening to us right now going, why the hell do

1463
01:03:06.000 --> 01:03:09.300
you have a Star Trek podcast if you don't know the very basics of

1464
01:03:09.300 --> 01:03:11.039
what happens in the empath?

1465
01:03:11.099 --> 01:03:15.000
And maybe they're kind of shaking their heads going, 0 my god

1466
01:03:15.000 --> 01:03:17.400
those poor bastards they don't know what they're in for.

1467
01:03:18.420 --> 01:03:20.579
So, yeah.

1468
01:03:20.639 --> 01:03:22.440
Anyway, we'll see what happens.

1469
01:03:22.500 --> 01:03:24.900
Yeah, let's give it a go. lets give it a go.

1470
01:03:24.960 --> 01:03:25.440
Okay.

1471
01:03:31.980 --> 01:03:35.940
You've been listening to entitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford

1472
01:03:35.940 --> 01:03:40.500
and Nathan Bottomley, where online at untitled Star Trek Project

1473
01:03:39.480 --> 01:03:43.320
com, where you can find subscription links and links to our social

1474
01:03:43.320 --> 01:03:44.699
media accounts.

1475
01:03:44.760 --> 01:03:48.539
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Ciceran, and the theme was

1476
01:03:48.539 --> 01:03:50.219
composed by Cameron Lamb.

1477
01:03:50.280 --> 01:03:54.960
This episode was recorded on the 29th of April 2025 and released

1478
01:03:54.960 --> 01:03:56.460
on the 2nd of May.

1479
01:03:56.519 --> 01:04:00.900
We'll see you next time for Star Trek, the original series, The

1480
01:04:00.900 --> 01:04:01.619
Empath.

1481
01:04:16.739 --> 01:04:19.320
Are you watching Andor?

1482
01:04:19.500 --> 01:04:21.119
Nah.

1483
01:04:21.179 --> 01:04:22.380
Did you watch it at all?

1484
01:04:22.500 --> 01:04:24.179
No, I haven't seen any of it.

1485
01:04:24.239 --> 01:04:24.960
Are you interested?

1486
01:04:25.019 --> 01:04:28.980
I probably will get round to it because I've sort of been

1487
01:04:28.980 --> 01:04:32.400
exploring some of that stuff, but see, like you've watched...

1488
01:04:32.400 --> 01:04:35.639
We're doing a layer one and you've watched the one and the stuff

1489
01:04:35.639 --> 01:04:36.179
haven't you?

1490
01:04:36.239 --> 01:04:37.019
We watched other ones.

1491
01:04:37.079 --> 01:04:39.420
Well, we got halfway through.

1492
01:04:39.480 --> 01:04:41.760
We got halfway through Obi-Wan.

1493
01:04:41.820 --> 01:04:44.699
And then we were enjoying it, but we just didn't watch anymore

1494
01:04:44.699 --> 01:04:47.460
because other things, like several things came up.

1495
01:04:47.519 --> 01:04:48.360
Yeah, yeah.

1496
01:04:48.420 --> 01:04:53.460
Because like I've just watched the 1st 3 episodes of series 2 and

1497
01:04:53.460 --> 01:04:55.079
I loved series one.

1498
01:04:55.139 --> 01:05:00.119
Like, I think, like, I think it's the best Star Wars, you know, and

1499
01:05:00.119 --> 01:05:06.480
series one has an attack on a like the rebel attack on a

1500
01:05:06.480 --> 01:05:07.920
Federation, a Federation.

1501
01:05:07.980 --> 01:05:09.840
It's not Star Trek.

1502
01:05:09.900 --> 01:05:11.400
It's not Blake 7.

1503
01:05:11.460 --> 01:05:15.059
As a rebel attack on an imperial base, but the base is basically a

1504
01:05:15.059 --> 01:05:16.980
dam across a valley.

1505
01:05:17.039 --> 01:05:18.239
So it's a real place.

1506
01:05:18.300 --> 01:05:20.039
It's not a space thing.

1507
01:05:20.039 --> 01:05:24.599
And there's something about, there's something about just the

1508
01:05:24.599 --> 01:05:25.380
reality of it.

1509
01:05:25.440 --> 01:05:26.699
It's really real.

1510
01:05:26.760 --> 01:05:30.179
It's like Correscent, you know, some of the characters live on

1511
01:05:30.179 --> 01:05:34.019
Correscent, and Correscent looks like it's sort of Art Deco

1512
01:05:34.019 --> 01:05:37.559
skyscrapers made of concrete.

1513
01:05:37.619 --> 01:05:39.900
Like they feel real.

1514
01:05:39.960 --> 01:05:44.039
And like the main characters include, you know, you saw Rogue one

1515
01:05:44.039 --> 01:05:44.820
didn't you, or did you?

1516
01:05:44.880 --> 01:05:46.019
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1517
01:05:46.079 --> 01:05:51.000
So, you know, Mon Motha in Rogue one, that, you know, who's

1518
01:05:51.000 --> 01:05:53.880
obviously the woman who says many Bothans died to give us this

1519
01:05:53.880 --> 01:05:57.059
information in, in, in Return of the Jedi?

1520
01:05:57.119 --> 01:06:03.420
She is a major character in this and she's a senator and she's

1521
01:06:03.420 --> 01:06:07.199
funnelling money here to different places to kind of fund the

1522
01:06:07.199 --> 01:06:08.760
development of the rebellion.

1523
01:06:08.820 --> 01:06:13.019
It's sort of set 5 years before the Battle of Yavin.

1524
01:06:13.019 --> 01:06:15.480
And she is fucking great.

1525
01:06:15.599 --> 01:06:16.920
She's so good.

1526
01:06:16.980 --> 01:06:18.719
She's like the best thing about it.

1527
01:06:18.780 --> 01:06:22.019
And then there's, then there's a kind of subplot with people who

1528
01:06:22.019 --> 01:06:27.420
work for the Empire's intelligence agency, and there's a woman

1529
01:06:27.420 --> 01:06:31.380
there called Dedra, something or other, like Deirdre.

1530
01:06:31.440 --> 01:06:36.780
Uh, and she's like absolutely brutal and fabulous, and she has

1531
01:06:36.780 --> 01:06:38.880
this barn and sort of blonde hair and things.

1532
01:06:38.940 --> 01:06:43.440
And like there's the, all of these sort of real kind of, it's got

1533
01:06:43.440 --> 01:06:49.320
real politics and stuff happening in it. and it, it, it, like, it's

1534
01:06:49.320 --> 01:06:50.280
The 2nd series is good?

1535
01:06:50.340 --> 01:06:51.900
The 2nd series is really great.

1536
01:06:51.960 --> 01:06:53.940
So they dropped 3 episodes at a time.

1537
01:06:54.000 --> 01:06:57.840
And like the worlds that are creator really real, like they feel

1538
01:06:57.840 --> 01:06:58.559
really good.

1539
01:06:58.619 --> 01:07:03.900
There's a planet called ferrics, which is all made of bricks and

1540
01:07:03.900 --> 01:07:07.019
there's mining and stuff there and the buildings are really great

1541
01:07:07.019 --> 01:07:08.340
and you get a real sense of it.

1542
01:07:08.400 --> 01:07:10.860
And Fiona Shaw, you know, Fiona Shaw.

1543
01:07:11.219 --> 01:07:14.460
She's an English Irish actor, I think.

1544
01:07:14.519 --> 01:07:18.300
She's fucking incredible and she plays like Cassian's mother and

1545
01:07:18.300 --> 01:07:21.659
she's amazing and and like there's all this music, like the music

1546
01:07:21.659 --> 01:07:22.440
is incredible.

1547
01:07:22.500 --> 01:07:25.860
The whole production is really great. and I don't give a shit. much

1548
01:07:25.860 --> 01:07:26.699
better than all the others then.

1549
01:07:26.760 --> 01:07:30.300
Because, you know, like the others, you sort of don't...

1550
01:07:30.300 --> 01:07:30.960
You can take or leave.

1551
01:07:31.019 --> 01:07:31.739
Yeah.

1552
01:07:31.739 --> 01:07:32.940
I don't really give a shit about that.

1553
01:07:33.000 --> 01:07:35.639
I like the Mandalorian, like the beginning of the Mandalorian

1554
01:07:35.639 --> 01:07:41.820
because it was really light on kind of law.

1555
01:07:41.880 --> 01:07:42.840
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1556
01:07:42.900 --> 01:07:45.780
Like it wasn't, and then they started to fill it with characters

1557
01:07:45.780 --> 01:07:48.480
from the clone Wars, and I stopped giving a shit, you know, like, I

1558
01:07:48.480 --> 01:07:49.559
don't, well, like whatever.

1559
01:07:49.619 --> 01:07:52.139
Um, and but this...

1560
01:07:52.139 --> 01:07:57.300
Like, no, I wasn't that impressed by Cassian Andor in Rogue One

1561
01:07:57.300 --> 01:07:59.639
you know, like he just, I don't care, like whatever.

1562
01:07:59.699 --> 01:08:01.440
He didn't seem very interesting.

1563
01:08:01.500 --> 01:08:03.539
But this is good.

1564
01:08:03.599 --> 01:08:06.960
It's by the people who wrote Rogue One, but it's like got an

1565
01:08:06.960 --> 01:08:10.800
expanded canvas and it's properly political and properly kind of

1566
01:08:10.800 --> 01:08:13.559
grown up and it just looks incredible.

1567
01:08:13.619 --> 01:08:15.239
It looks amazingly great.

1568
01:08:15.300 --> 01:08:16.380
I did not wrote one a lot.

1569
01:08:16.500 --> 01:08:21.060
I thought that was the best of those...

1570
01:08:21.119 --> 01:08:23.880
Yeah, I mean, it didn't do it for me just because I just sort of

1571
01:08:23.880 --> 01:08:27.060
thought there's a lot of plugging fucking wires in and why can't

1572
01:08:27.060 --> 01:08:28.500
you all just get dropbox.

1573
01:08:28.560 --> 01:08:29.760
You know what I mean?

1574
01:08:29.760 --> 01:08:33.779
Like here on the planet Scariff plugging in wires while under fire

1575
01:08:33.779 --> 01:08:34.380
and stuff.

1576
01:08:34.439 --> 01:08:37.920
Um, and, you know, like there's a thing where it's just like, oh

1577
01:08:37.920 --> 01:08:40.260
we're going to kill a major characters that's so edgy and it's

1578
01:08:40.260 --> 01:08:42.000
like, oh, okay, right, whatever.

1579
01:08:42.060 --> 01:08:45.300
But this is really properly good.

1580
01:08:45.359 --> 01:08:48.000
It's absolutely worth it.

1581
01:08:48.060 --> 01:08:49.079
It's one of my favourite things.

1582
01:08:49.140 --> 01:08:52.920
And I was so excited it came back and I just watched all 3 of the

1583
01:08:52.920 --> 01:08:58.439
episodes that dropped in one go and really, really enjoyed it.

1584
01:08:58.979 --> 01:09:04.800
We're, um, we're, literally halfway through the run of Jesus

1585
01:09:04.800 --> 01:09:05.939
Worcester at the moment.

1586
01:09:06.060 --> 01:09:11.220
I really want you to watch Jason Woolstar. you'll love it Oh, I so

1587
01:09:11.220 --> 01:09:11.699
fun.

1588
01:09:11.819 --> 01:09:13.199
I can't remember Latara.

1589
01:09:13.260 --> 01:09:16.920
I laughed out loud so much at TV in ages.

1590
01:09:16.979 --> 01:09:22.800
That, that crazy fast that they do is just, and, uh, Hugh Laurie

1591
01:09:22.800 --> 01:09:24.659
as...

1592
01:09:24.659 --> 01:09:25.920
It's perfect.

1593
01:09:25.979 --> 01:09:28.979
So I'd read Jeeves and Worcester stories and there'd be like

1594
01:09:28.979 --> 01:09:30.960
Rumpole stories or Sherlock Holmes stories or something like

1595
01:09:30.960 --> 01:09:31.140
that.

1596
01:09:31.199 --> 01:09:31.859
Do you know what I mean?

1597
01:09:31.920 --> 01:09:33.779
Where there's a kind of genre and that happens over and over again

1598
01:09:33.779 --> 01:09:36.420
and the expected things happen and there are lots and lots of

1599
01:09:36.420 --> 01:09:36.720
them.

1600
01:09:36.779 --> 01:09:39.060
And there'll be a book which has a bunch of them in it, and

1601
01:09:39.060 --> 01:09:42.479
they'll be kind of loosely related to one another, and almost all

1602
01:09:42.479 --> 01:09:47.460
of them involve Jeeves giving him some advice, him ignoring the

1603
01:09:47.460 --> 01:09:49.140
advice and getting into trouble.

1604
01:09:49.260 --> 01:09:56.340
And then Jeeves, saving the trouble by humiliating him, though, in

1605
01:09:56.340 --> 01:09:57.000
the process.

1606
01:09:57.000 --> 01:10:00.899
Like, it's by in some way humiliating him.

1607
01:10:00.899 --> 01:10:03.359
And I just think that, like, they're really funny.

1608
01:10:03.359 --> 01:10:07.380
And the, the, the language of the books that, like, is really

1609
01:10:07.380 --> 01:10:08.100
funny as well.

1610
01:10:08.159 --> 01:10:09.659
The guy was, yeah.

1611
01:10:09.720 --> 01:10:10.199
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1612
01:10:10.319 --> 01:10:12.300
But they've put money into it as well.

1613
01:10:12.359 --> 01:10:15.119
So they've made it like there's a 2 par that's sitting in the

1614
01:10:15.119 --> 01:10:16.260
house of Downton Abbey.

1615
01:10:16.380 --> 01:10:18.420
It looks like a bloody feature film.

1616
01:10:18.479 --> 01:10:19.439
It looks gorgeous.

1617
01:10:19.500 --> 01:10:20.220
Even now.

1618
01:10:20.279 --> 01:10:24.960
And like at the start of series three, I thought, oh, fuck, they've

1619
01:10:24.960 --> 01:10:28.739
gone off the boil because they go across to New York. for 3

1620
01:10:28.739 --> 01:10:32.640
episodes, but it's New York as filmed in London.

1621
01:10:32.699 --> 01:10:36.600
I'm so trying desperately hard to convince you that it's New York

1622
01:10:36.600 --> 01:10:38.579
but there's no long shots of New York, you know?

1623
01:10:39.720 --> 01:10:45.899
And the, even though the comedy was already fairly broad at times

1624
01:10:45.899 --> 01:10:48.779
it just went into like slapstick.

1625
01:10:48.779 --> 01:10:54.960
And it had not, you know, Aunt Agatha was propelled across a

1626
01:10:54.960 --> 01:10:57.840
theatre by a fire hydrant and things like this.

1627
01:10:57.899 --> 01:10:59.039
And I'm going, what's happening?

1628
01:10:59.100 --> 01:11:02.579
it's just absurd And then halfway through that series.

1629
01:11:02.640 --> 01:11:04.500
I obviously decided, oh, this ain't working out.

1630
01:11:04.560 --> 01:11:07.020
Let's go back to England. is where we do our best work.

1631
01:11:07.140 --> 01:11:10.560
And they hit with, and it's from one of the books.

1632
01:11:10.619 --> 01:11:12.359
The best.

1633
01:11:12.420 --> 01:11:19.020
Oh, man, it's literally um, Worcester and one of his friends.

1634
01:11:19.079 --> 01:11:20.819
I forget one of his crazy friends.

1635
01:11:20.880 --> 01:11:26.159
And they're both playing each other in a country house with 5

1636
01:11:26.159 --> 01:11:31.680
crazy old aunts living there, all played by brilliant, all English

1637
01:11:31.680 --> 01:11:37.680
character actresses, and Chloe Annette, who is supposed to be a

1638
01:11:37.680 --> 01:11:45.000
romancing Worcester, but because Worcester is being is playing

1639
01:11:45.000 --> 01:11:45.899
somebody else.

1640
01:11:45.960 --> 01:11:46.979
The whole thing.

1641
01:11:47.039 --> 01:11:50.520
It was just mental and it was so perfectly plotted.

1642
01:11:50.579 --> 01:11:53.220
And you were just waiting for the inevitable throughout the whole

1643
01:11:53.220 --> 01:11:56.579
episode where the art was going to turn up and blow everything.

1644
01:11:56.640 --> 01:11:59.460
It was sublimely good.

1645
01:11:59.520 --> 01:12:01.859
And clearly...

1646
01:12:01.920 --> 01:12:03.960
Oh, hilariously.

1647
01:12:04.020 --> 01:12:04.979
Oh, she got good.

1648
01:12:05.039 --> 01:12:09.840
She plays this very ice cold, you know, I will never marry him.

1649
01:12:10.380 --> 01:12:14.279
But you've got um, not Sandra Dickinson.

1650
01:12:14.340 --> 01:12:15.659
Peter Davidson's 2nd wife.

1651
01:12:15.659 --> 01:12:17.939
Oh, okay. as Madeline.

1652
01:12:18.000 --> 01:12:20.699
You know, the blonde one with the with the lip.

1653
01:12:20.819 --> 01:12:24.300
Mercy, he's just he's so hopelessly in love with me.

1654
01:12:24.359 --> 01:12:26.819
I can't know where she's jumped.

1655
01:12:27.239 --> 01:12:31.260
He's in her house and he's trying to. trying to steal a letter

1656
01:12:31.260 --> 01:12:35.699
that says he wants to marry her before she reads it and leaves

1657
01:12:35.699 --> 01:12:39.119
behind the sofa and she thinks he's a robber and she's literally

1658
01:12:39.119 --> 01:12:42.060
got this massive fucking pistol and she...

1659
01:12:42.600 --> 01:12:45.300
Oh, it's just wonderful.

1660
01:12:45.359 --> 01:12:47.699
Man, they don't make TV like that anymore.

1661
01:12:48.899 --> 01:12:50.640
It's good fun.

1662
01:12:50.699 --> 01:12:51.779
Good fun.

1663
01:12:52.020 --> 01:12:54.060
I reckon that'll do.

1664
01:12:54.119 --> 01:12:55.979
I'll tell you.

1665
01:12:56.039 --> 01:12:57.239
Oh, we still doing the taggle.

1666
01:12:57.359 --> 01:12:57.899
Oh yeah, of course.

1667
01:12:57.960 --> 01:12:59.100
Oh, there you go.

1668
01:12:59.100 --> 01:13:01.319
We've gone We've gone from...

1669
01:13:01.380 --> 01:13:03.659
Star Wars to James and Wooster. perfect.

1670
01:13:04.140 --> 01:13:05.640
There we go.