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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So, we're back aboard the Enterprise D for an episode of Star Trek, the Next Generation.

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This is the Drumhead, series 4, episode 21, written by Jerry Taylor, which I think is kind of interesting and directed by Jonathan Frakes when he could still keep the camera still from time to time.

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Oh, wonderful.

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Now I could see all the actors very clearly when they were talking.

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Now, fun fact, we're recording today on the 29th of April, 2025, and this 1st aired in the US on the 29th of April, 1991.

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So it's 34 years ago today that this 1st aired.

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Happy birthday, Admiral Satay.

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So I think that this is a pretty great episode.

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It is very, very Star Trek the Next Generation.

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There's no real other series that could do this, but the trial is a thing that we do in Star Trek quite a lot.

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We haven't covered any trials yet, and there are 100s of the bloody things in 90s track.

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The most recent one that I did, I think, was series 2, episode 2 of Strange New Worlds, which is called, I think it's called Per Asperaad Astra, and it's incredibly moving and absolutely brilliant and has an incredible guest turn from Una's defence lawyer, a really, really great performance.

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And then you think about things like measure of a man with Commander Maddox, who is so memorable that he came back in Picard played by someone else entirely. from DS9 in series.

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A massive engagement from series four.

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Oh we have done one.

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It was a light trial, but it was a trial all the same.

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We did Death Wish, didn't we?

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Oh, that's a try.

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It was done in the same sort of format.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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That's true.

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And there's that terrible one in early Voyager where Tom Paris has been accused of...

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Oh, shit, yeah.

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Yeah, um, ex-post-facto. facto.

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That's exactly it with the strange bird people with the sort of horrible bird feathers over.

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He's forced to relive the crime over and over again for a series of noirish flashbacks. exactly it.

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That's exactly it.

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I think there's a dog that gives that one away.

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I can't remember.

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Maybe this is kind of the best one.

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No that's a ridiculous thing to say.

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This and the 1st duty.

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Because that's a, is an injury, but it's a, it's still done in the same source structure.

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Yeah, that's true.

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That's true.

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Like, I think this is really great.

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And I think it's one of the great guest performances on Star Trek, the Next Generation. without doubt.

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Yeah, yeah, without a doubt.

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I think she's really magnificent.

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So this is Gene Simmons, who had a massive career.

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She was born in, in 1929, which means she's in her early 60s terrifyingly in this episode and...

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Startlingly beautiful. stunning.

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Absolute movie starlet looks.

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Yeah, gorgeous.

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Oh, yeah.

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I mean, she's still very beautiful in this, but in a, you know, in a mature way.

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You actually directed me to a picture of Gene Roddenbury and her, which must have been at about the time this was shot, and she does look stunningly beautiful.

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She just looks, you know, you can see in her face the way she looked as a woman.

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They are gazing adoringly in each other's eyes, aren't they?

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Yeah, really?

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Gene and Jean are gazing at the orange.

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Yeah, exactly.

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The 2 jeans.

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Yeah.

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So she's magnificent.

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And I, watching it this time, found the way that her character was presented was really, really interesting because, um, you know, obviously the the most obvious antecedent here is the crucible, isn't it?

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Yeah.

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Where it's looking at a tendency to construct conspiracies and to pursue enemies in sort of inside an organisation and the way that sort of spirals out of control and turns into accusation after accusation.

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And there's obvious reasons for, you know, for the crucible, having the themes that it does, Arthur Miller was not permitted to travel to the UK to see the premiere of the crucible, because he was writing it in the midst of all that McCarthyist hysteria.

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And while now America is, you know, locking people up and accusing people and doing all sorts of things.

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It's hard to draw a line between that and what's happening here.

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There isn't really a kind of reason given. why this happens as well.

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Like, like, into cruiseball, things like that.

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It's very often like people seizing power by pointing the finger. or diverting attention from what they're doing by pointing the finger.

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Whereas there isn't a through line in this, is there?

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There isn't like an ultimate...

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Okay, I'm accusing you of this, so I can do this.

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Yeah.

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It's just that she's rampantly paranoid.

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And, well, I mean, I believe she genuinely believes.

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What is she saying?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I think it is in her character.

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And I think that the way that she's presented.

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It's perhaps not sufficient to justify the kind of rampage that she goes on.

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But even like quite early on.

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She's a she's a psycho.

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And it's very clear from the way that she interacts with everyone that there's something seriously wrong with her.

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And, you know, the way that her downfall is obviously her daddy issues, you know, the moment that Picard quotes her father and suggests that her father wouldn't have approved of her.

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Ah, see, that...

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She gets out scene, did they?

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Yeah, that's an extraordinary scene, an amazing performance by Simmons, and that's how she's brought down.

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But there's nothing systemic behind this.

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Although, like, we were we were absolutely mock the scene where she says her backstory about the debates that her father falls her, you know, so it sounds like it was a very sort of regimented upbringing.

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Yeah.

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So in a way, she's a victim because she's been twisted to be the way that she is.

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I mean, she seems like she has some kind of borderline personality disorder, and we'll talk about that going through.

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I think she's really like a piece of work.

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I love that though.

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It's very uncomfortable how she's very charming one minute. utterly ice cold for next.

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Yeah, which is precisely her modus operandi.

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Exactly, you know, what I kind of want to identify.

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Most as if it's to throw people off, you know?

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But I also think that it's just she's weirdly damaged and a bit of a psycho.

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The other thing that I think is really great.

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And it's because it's Jerry Taylor, that she kind of knows the show.

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And so we get all of these back references, like once we put Picard on the stand, we start critiquing his behaviour in the previous episode.

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In a way that this show so rarely does.

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It never looks back and says, well, why the hell did you do that?

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was very...

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I said to actually before, DSI does it a lot.

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It looks back, old plot points will make no sense.

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The writers go, well, let's do something with that.

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Let's accuse Bashir of being a spy.

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And it is only one scene and nothing comes of it, really.

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No.

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But I'm so pleased it was there because Picard squirms in that chair.

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He's got no answers, you know?

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How many people died, 11,000?

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Oh, fuck, you know, like, yeah.

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What could I possibly say at this point?

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And it's great too, because it kind of rewards us for watching.

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Like it, it was a fun thing.

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It was the 1st time that we saw that sort of thing happened outside of the fact that, you know, episodes occasionally had sequels that we had.

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My name is so good.

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Can't they identify that moment's good and go, we should do more.

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We should do more of that.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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But I think, you know, because I think Jerry Taylor is pretty great as well.

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And I think the fact that the person who comes on board and conducts the investigation, the fact that she's a woman, I think is almost certainly down to Jerry Taylor and it's a really, really great choice, I think.

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It would have been duller otherwise.

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And for once, they've stepped back from that and gone, let's not bring in, you know, a soap opera actor to play that role.

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Let's bring in someone really good, you know, he's going to make everyone sit up and pay it.

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What I really liked about this as well was the structure of it.

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Because the 1st 3rd of this, even though you are right, you you start to have feelings about Admiral Satay very early in the episode. and how she's behaving.

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But she's generally very amiable in that 1st third.

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And it just seems like your sort of standard TNG.

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Something's happened on the ship.

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There's sort of political ramifications.

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We're doing the investigation.

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We're having a light trial.

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We sort of know where it's going.

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Somewhere in the middle of the episode.

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You get that feeling in the pit of your gut that something is going wrong.

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Suddenly, fingers are being pointed in every single direction.

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And then by the end of it, there is a, there is a genuinely thick atmosphere of paranoia and disquiet about this that you don't often get with TNG.

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Like, Tinge don't usually make me squirm in my seat when I'm watching it.

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But when Simon Tarsis is being interrogated about his Romulan heritage.

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You know, I was really uncomfortable watching it.

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I think this is a bit of a minor classic, but I do think I sent you a message saying that like this, in no way is this television, really, is it?

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I mean, this could be on the stage in how it's shot.

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Like, it's basically all done in one room, technically.

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Um, and it does suffer from a couple of TNG cliches that we will laugh at throughout the episode.

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It's still TNG.

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It's still very TNG of the period, I think.

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But that's not a bad thing.

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Season 4 of TNG is pretty damn great.

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The halcyon days of the next generation.

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Exactly.

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Well, should we watch the halcyon days?

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I think we should.

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I will count as in. 5, 4, 3, 2, one, and we're off.

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You know, I did wonder, Nathan, because it's obviously it's called the drum howl.

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What the hell's that all about?

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Thank you, Captain Picard.

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Explaining it.

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So I did look it up.

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Sometimes it gets called a kangaroo court as well, which, I don't know, that seems racist to me, but it, you know, it's like shockingly brutal punishment, what characterised it too.

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So this is Judan, who is wearing a very natty kind of suede outfit.

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He looks pretty great.

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Is this pre or post redemption?

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This is pre-redemption, is it?

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It's pre-redemption because we actually have, because redemption is maybe 5 episodes away. towards the end of series.

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Oh, is that right?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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This is four, isn't it?

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Yeah.

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Yeah, and redemption, that's right.

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Redemption is the next is the next cliffhanger.

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I mean, it's definitely post best of both worlds, isn't it?

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Oh, yeah, yeah.

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There's a conversation with Judan and Wharf having the turbo lift about it, which I think is really good where Judan says, yeah, your name isn't spoken of.

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And I think that's part of the misdirect here.

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So we start with this trial or this inquiry, which is very low key.

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It only has Deanna and it's telling that it has Deanna, right?

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Oh, this is so great.

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This is so good.

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So Deanna's there and Saban is, remember, Sates offsider is also a beta Zed.

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But a betazoid.

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But the thing is, of course, that down is a shit beta soy.

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She's heartless.

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She goes lying.

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Well, I'm not too sure.

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She goes, he is hiding something, but I'm not sure what.

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Well, thank you, Deanna, for your contribution.

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And to this episode.

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Goodbye.

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We won that too.

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What, I loved it because, you know, how you and I, we always talk about how sort of DS9 is the show that has running continuity and things like that.

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I couldn't believe how much of this episode was built out of established God.

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So this scene with Warf in a minute, talking about his discommendation, obviously we've already spoke about the consequences of the best of both world.

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Obviously, we did the neutral zone the other day when the Romulans come back and they're a massive threat from that point on.

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And that is Simon Tarsus's lineage.

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There's loads of it in here.

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This is great, isn't it?

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Wharf beats the shit out of him.

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Do you know, I've got to say no, Nathan.

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I really, after watching how amazing he looks in DS9, his hair in these mid-seasons.

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It's still better than his terrible season one here, to be fair.

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Like this is probably, you know...

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This is sort of his teenage hippie face. where it's starting to become acceptable, I think, and from here on, it only improves.

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And again, you know, my theory.

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So we go to the opening credits with literally no hint of what the episode's going to be about, but it does look like it's going to be about this investigation into Japan.

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And so I like that, though.

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For once it's sort of lulling you into a full sense.

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Yeah, exactly.

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We've not even met Admiral Satay.

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No.

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Yeah, we don't know that it's about her.

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And so it looks like business as usual.

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It does look like a normal episode of Star Trek the Next Generation that gets derailed by the appearance of Settee, which I think is really good.

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We like normal episodes of Star Trek the Next Generation.

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We do.

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It's an even better one than that.

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And I quit very quickly before she turns up, just address the poor costume that they put admirals.

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Gene Simmons in.

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So she has 3 costumes.

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I know, but all of them are very cumbersome and she sort of floats around the place as if she's got no legs and she can't really move her body either in a particularly believable way.

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So it suggests that she's sort of behaving in quite a wooden way.

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Watch her.

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It might be the outfit.

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Stuck in what position?

226
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all of the time And yet, you know, the dialogue, but she's delivery.

227
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She's given a proper...

228
00:15:08.279 --> 00:15:10.799
I just wish they'd given a better costume to wear.

229
00:15:11.100 --> 00:15:15.059
She looks uncomfortable in them and that's unfortunate.

230
00:15:15.179 --> 00:15:22.200
I think it was a better, like, it was a good idea not to put her in a terrible Starfleet admiral's uniform.

231
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And it is kind of like, we've got Gene Simmons and it's just like, let's put her in an amazing...

232
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Flowing radish frock.

233
00:15:30.659 --> 00:15:34.620
Like, that seems to me to be the right instinct, I think.

234
00:15:34.679 --> 00:15:37.019
Maybe the frock itself isn't so great.

235
00:15:37.080 --> 00:15:48.720
Although I do think the 1st outfit, which is the outfit that she wears when she 1st appears, uh, and it has that fantastic de colatage.

236
00:15:48.840 --> 00:15:49.620
Now what's this?

237
00:15:49.679 --> 00:15:51.360
Her investigation.

238
00:15:51.480 --> 00:15:58.019
Satee's investigation exposed the conspiracy 3 years ago that infiltrated Starfleet command.

239
00:15:58.080 --> 00:16:03.480
So did she follow up on the episode conspiracy from season one?

240
00:16:03.539 --> 00:16:07.019
Yes, that's absolutely what they're talking about. continuity.

241
00:16:07.080 --> 00:16:08.519
It's really good, isn't it?

242
00:16:08.580 --> 00:16:09.419
Because that was amazing.

243
00:16:09.480 --> 00:16:10.320
All right.

244
00:16:10.379 --> 00:16:14.100
Sherry Taylor sat at the typewriter when I'm going to break all the rules this week.

245
00:16:14.220 --> 00:16:15.720
Look at her.

246
00:16:15.779 --> 00:16:16.740
She looks fantastic.

247
00:16:16.799 --> 00:16:18.539
I don't know how you can complain about that, frock.

248
00:16:18.600 --> 00:16:19.259
Look at it.

249
00:16:19.259 --> 00:16:22.139
With her decolitage and her exposed shoulders.

250
00:16:22.259 --> 00:16:22.980
It's hard faulty.

251
00:16:23.039 --> 00:16:24.960
Her arms and her legs barely move.

252
00:16:25.679 --> 00:16:27.539
That's so great.

253
00:16:27.600 --> 00:16:28.799
Look at it.

254
00:16:28.919 --> 00:16:29.460
It's awesome.

255
00:16:29.580 --> 00:16:31.379
And it's a space frock. wonderful.

256
00:16:31.500 --> 00:16:34.919
She's got this enormous ornate collar.

257
00:16:36.360 --> 00:16:38.700
Why are you complaining about?

258
00:16:38.759 --> 00:16:40.740
Imperiatric satay.

259
00:16:40.860 --> 00:16:45.120
So, look, and she looks so glamorous.

260
00:16:45.179 --> 00:16:45.840
It's wonderful.

261
00:16:46.019 --> 00:16:50.399
She just has a way of looking down her nose at everybody, doesn't she?

262
00:16:50.580 --> 00:17:03.840
So my favourite thing is she gets to deliver a line about the dilithium chamber. in this scene and it's like Gene Simmons is talking about the dilithium chamber and stuff.

263
00:17:03.840 --> 00:17:04.680
Like, Barrel Reed.

264
00:17:04.680 --> 00:17:05.579
Doctor Who.

265
00:17:05.640 --> 00:17:06.660
What the hell am I saying?

266
00:17:06.720 --> 00:17:08.099
What am I saying?

267
00:17:08.160 --> 00:17:10.440
She absolutely acquits herself.

268
00:17:10.500 --> 00:17:13.140
It's wonderful Did you notice her?

269
00:17:13.200 --> 00:17:14.940
you know, when she beamed in?

270
00:17:15.240 --> 00:17:17.819
She's the only one that does it.

271
00:17:17.880 --> 00:17:20.700
She does a little sort of jumping.

272
00:17:20.759 --> 00:17:22.980
She acts like, oh, I have a beer.

273
00:17:23.700 --> 00:17:26.400
Oh, this is me appearing, is it?

274
00:17:26.460 --> 00:17:28.740
Okay. jumps in.

275
00:17:28.799 --> 00:17:29.700
It's very funny.

276
00:17:30.779 --> 00:17:33.000
She's great, though.

277
00:17:33.059 --> 00:17:35.519
Like, she like, she understands the stuff.

278
00:17:35.579 --> 00:17:37.619
She's clearly not technical because she's a lawyer.

279
00:17:37.680 --> 00:17:40.980
Um, but she is pretty great there.

280
00:17:41.039 --> 00:17:45.299
I believe some involve the articulation frame of the dilithium chamber, she says.

281
00:17:46.619 --> 00:17:49.259
She went up to Jean Wright.

282
00:17:49.319 --> 00:17:50.400
Gene, what does it mean?

283
00:17:52.500 --> 00:17:54.180
So good.

284
00:17:54.900 --> 00:17:59.460
And she's sort of Nottingham now, yes, they're talking their title bubble.

285
00:17:59.519 --> 00:17:59.700
Right.

286
00:17:59.759 --> 00:18:00.359
Okay, yes.

287
00:18:00.420 --> 00:18:06.180
I think this is a really great detail as well because this is a red herring, isn't it?

288
00:18:06.240 --> 00:18:16.259
This just happens because of a manufacturing fault in the new casing cover thing that blew off and has nothing to do with the conspiracy.

289
00:18:16.319 --> 00:18:19.200
And that's really interesting as well.

290
00:18:19.259 --> 00:18:28.440
And I think there's one fantastic moment in the trial that involves, you know, what, the backstory behind that casing.

291
00:18:28.500 --> 00:18:29.579
I think that's really good.

292
00:18:29.640 --> 00:18:36.779
It's a tried and tested format, this, where an explosion happens at the start of an episode, or it was obviously before this.

293
00:18:37.079 --> 00:18:37.380
Yeah, yeah.

294
00:18:37.440 --> 00:18:42.359
And then it leads into an investigation and then there's massive consequences. they obviously do it here.

295
00:18:42.420 --> 00:18:47.759
They do it in improbable cause as well, which leads to, it's Garak shop blowing up in that.

296
00:18:47.819 --> 00:18:52.859
They do it in home front, which is a bomb going off on Earth, which takes them there.

297
00:18:52.920 --> 00:18:55.859
It's a really, it's a great format.

298
00:18:55.920 --> 00:18:57.359
Oh, look at her.

299
00:18:57.480 --> 00:19:01.019
Yeah, it's really interesting, isn't it?

300
00:19:01.079 --> 00:19:03.359
So she won't tell him anything.

301
00:19:03.420 --> 00:19:08.579
And she is trying to put him on the back foot, I think.

302
00:19:08.640 --> 00:19:13.740
Um, And look at her reaction to it.

303
00:19:13.799 --> 00:19:16.619
Why does she say I particularly wanted to meet you, Mr. Worf?

304
00:19:16.920 --> 00:19:18.900
Yeah, I know.

305
00:19:18.900 --> 00:19:20.700
Is it because he's the only Klingon in Star Wars?

306
00:19:20.759 --> 00:19:21.480
I think it might be.

307
00:19:21.539 --> 00:19:26.039
Obviously, she upholds the values of Starfleet very highly, doesn't she?

308
00:19:26.099 --> 00:19:31.259
Look at her how warm she is, like the well-done lieutenant, like her smile and everything.

309
00:19:31.319 --> 00:19:41.640
And she is really manipulative because it is all about alternately being cold and warm towards people and trying to get them on side.

310
00:19:41.700 --> 00:19:52.140
Like she very, very definitely makes Picard weight. before he's accepted so that he will value being accepted by her.

311
00:19:52.259 --> 00:19:53.759
And you see it, right?

312
00:19:53.819 --> 00:19:56.640
When she goes through, what a team we're going to make.

313
00:19:56.700 --> 00:19:57.180
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

314
00:19:57.240 --> 00:20:01.980
And he sort of leans back in his chair and smiles like, oh, I'm being endorsed by Admiral Satay.

315
00:20:02.039 --> 00:20:02.579
How lovely.

316
00:20:02.640 --> 00:20:08.460
It's and that's just classic manipulative kind of personality disorder behaviour.

317
00:20:08.519 --> 00:20:23.279
You know, like, you identify enemies and they're the bad people, but we're the good people and you and I are a team and I'll support you and stuff. there's something really creepy about the way she behaves.

318
00:20:23.400 --> 00:20:26.880
We like predictable behaviour as well.

319
00:20:26.940 --> 00:20:28.980
We, you know what I mean?

320
00:20:29.039 --> 00:20:31.380
Like, we don't like it when people bloat hot and cold.

321
00:20:31.440 --> 00:20:39.000
We like being in conversations where somebody behaves in a very in a way that we can predict. she absolutely weaponizes not doing that.

322
00:20:39.059 --> 00:20:39.960
Yeah.

323
00:20:39.960 --> 00:20:41.160
She's great.

324
00:20:41.220 --> 00:20:43.200
She was probably a fabulous lawyer.

325
00:20:44.220 --> 00:20:47.940
So she's accompanied by 2 people.

326
00:20:48.059 --> 00:21:02.579
One is a betazoid called Saban, and he is played by Bruce French, who is in literally fucking everything, including the caretaker and insurrection.

327
00:21:02.640 --> 00:21:03.839
Do you remember him in the Care Taker?

328
00:21:03.900 --> 00:21:04.920
He was one of Kez's people.

329
00:21:04.980 --> 00:21:06.000
Oh, okay.

330
00:21:06.059 --> 00:21:06.960
Yep, okay.

331
00:21:07.019 --> 00:21:08.640
He only gets one scene, I think.

332
00:21:08.700 --> 00:21:11.940
He does an enterprise episode as well. which I haven't seen.

333
00:21:12.000 --> 00:21:13.740
Let's not hold that against him.

334
00:21:13.799 --> 00:21:18.299
I think he's really good because he's just really solid.

335
00:21:18.359 --> 00:21:23.099
Like, he can't outact her and so he doesn't attempt... doesn't even bother.

336
00:21:23.640 --> 00:21:26.579
But the woman with the pads.

337
00:21:26.640 --> 00:21:27.059
She does.

338
00:21:27.119 --> 00:21:28.619
She's so gray.

339
00:21:28.740 --> 00:21:31.740
She's basically silent for hours, isn't she?

340
00:21:31.799 --> 00:21:32.400
Yeah.

341
00:21:32.460 --> 00:21:34.140
Yeah, she never says anything.

342
00:21:34.200 --> 00:21:37.140
And so I think you sort of think, oh, she's not being paid to say anything.

343
00:21:37.200 --> 00:21:42.240
You know, she won't get any dialogue because she's just a, you know, like a singer.

344
00:21:42.420 --> 00:21:47.160
She gets her singer when she goes to deliver the paths of Picard on the bridge.

345
00:21:47.579 --> 00:21:51.660
And see, this is so interesting, isn't it?

346
00:21:51.720 --> 00:22:00.420
Like, he is saying I didn't blow up the warp core and she's saying, well, you know, why are you lying to me?

347
00:22:00.480 --> 00:22:01.799
Why won't you just admit it?

348
00:22:01.859 --> 00:22:02.519
Clearly you did.

349
00:22:02.579 --> 00:22:04.019
See, I like this outfit.

350
00:22:04.079 --> 00:22:05.339
Why are you complaining about this outfit?

351
00:22:05.400 --> 00:22:06.779
This might be...

352
00:22:06.779 --> 00:22:07.619
Yeah, this is funny.

353
00:22:07.680 --> 00:22:08.579
This is my best fit.

354
00:22:08.640 --> 00:22:12.720
This is her, she's quite scary in that outfit, doesn't she?

355
00:22:12.779 --> 00:22:13.920
That's all blue.

356
00:22:14.339 --> 00:22:16.740
But this guy really sells it.

357
00:22:16.799 --> 00:22:17.819
He's a proper that guy.

358
00:22:17.880 --> 00:22:20.940
He's been in the A-team. you know, he's been in literally everything.

359
00:22:21.000 --> 00:22:22.500
Oh, here we go.

360
00:22:22.559 --> 00:22:23.400
Here's the seat.

361
00:22:23.460 --> 00:22:25.079
Somebody else was involved.

362
00:22:25.140 --> 00:22:27.480
You've got a bigger problem on your ship, Jean-Luc.

363
00:22:27.539 --> 00:22:30.480
And just one Klingon exchange.

364
00:22:30.539 --> 00:22:32.039
There's the I told you about.

365
00:22:32.099 --> 00:22:33.839
Oh, no, you're the camera.

366
00:22:33.900 --> 00:22:35.640
The camera soons in.

367
00:22:35.640 --> 00:22:38.880
And he goes, oh my god, and looks straight at the car.

368
00:22:39.119 --> 00:22:41.099
That's Jonathan.

369
00:22:41.160 --> 00:22:42.660
God bless you, Jonathan.

370
00:22:42.720 --> 00:22:47.339
He goes, right, Patrick, I want you to stress how serious the situation is.

371
00:22:47.400 --> 00:22:49.559
Jonathan, can I look straight at the camera?

372
00:22:49.619 --> 00:22:50.279
Do it.

373
00:22:51.000 --> 00:22:54.779
And look, now she's making him tea.

374
00:22:54.839 --> 00:22:56.700
Like, it is just so manipulative.

375
00:22:56.759 --> 00:23:03.420
I like this outfit a little bit less, and I think it's because it has the big collar, but it doesn't have the day colletage.

376
00:23:03.539 --> 00:23:06.539
It's a little bit more kind of prim, I think.

377
00:23:06.599 --> 00:23:08.880
Why is she putting in that tea?

378
00:23:08.940 --> 00:23:09.960
Why is that on the plane?

379
00:23:10.019 --> 00:23:11.339
I don't know, sugar, who knows?

380
00:23:11.400 --> 00:23:12.299
I don't know about tea.

381
00:23:12.359 --> 00:23:13.380
I don't understand it.

382
00:23:13.680 --> 00:23:16.319
You're not English, are you?

383
00:23:16.740 --> 00:23:18.960
connoisseurs with tea.

384
00:23:19.019 --> 00:23:21.059
And she is English, isn't she?

385
00:23:21.119 --> 00:23:22.920
Yeah, both of them are.

386
00:23:23.039 --> 00:23:24.779
Of course.

387
00:23:25.740 --> 00:23:27.779
Julie, what he said?

388
00:23:27.839 --> 00:23:30.180
Thank goodness you're here, Admiral Saturday.

389
00:23:30.240 --> 00:23:33.180
No, we could never do it with anyone but you.

390
00:23:33.240 --> 00:23:34.140
Oh, what a toady.

391
00:23:34.200 --> 00:23:38.880
So now we're getting the absurd backstory scene.

392
00:23:39.299 --> 00:23:42.119
Oh, I was howling.

393
00:23:42.180 --> 00:23:44.039
It's okay, isn't it?

394
00:23:44.039 --> 00:23:52.079
The debates that my father would make me and my brothers have around the table and we weren't allowed to leave the table until we're covered.

395
00:23:52.079 --> 00:23:53.700
The stopwatch, which is totally normal.

396
00:23:53.880 --> 00:23:56.579
So we had to be succinct.

397
00:23:56.640 --> 00:24:01.259
We had to explore the issue.

398
00:24:01.319 --> 00:24:03.119
Can you say that again, please?

399
00:24:03.180 --> 00:24:04.319
The issue.

400
00:24:04.319 --> 00:24:05.819
The issue.

401
00:24:05.880 --> 00:24:08.099
It's so ridiculous.

402
00:24:08.160 --> 00:24:09.539
Like, it's so preposterous.

403
00:24:09.599 --> 00:24:22.740
She really warms up and obviously this is kind of, uh, you know, because of her sort of weird daddy issues, but, but there's something about how driven and insane she is, what she says there.

404
00:24:22.799 --> 00:24:24.000
That's a huge red flag.

405
00:24:24.059 --> 00:24:25.140
She goes, I miss him.

406
00:24:25.200 --> 00:24:26.220
He was a giant.

407
00:24:26.279 --> 00:24:27.599
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

408
00:24:27.660 --> 00:24:38.279
But also this thing, you know, I always preferred working a lot, working alone, but I think we'll be a great team, you and I, and you just think, oh, you are really quite a creeper.

409
00:24:38.339 --> 00:24:39.180
Yeah, yeah.

410
00:24:39.240 --> 00:24:40.559
We're going to be a quite a team.

411
00:24:40.619 --> 00:24:41.640
And you're right.

412
00:24:41.700 --> 00:24:42.599
Look at his reaction.

413
00:24:42.660 --> 00:24:44.519
He smirks because he's hugely excited.

414
00:24:45.119 --> 00:24:49.259
Oh, he's thinking, this could, this could do my career some good, you know.

415
00:24:49.799 --> 00:24:56.339
So Jadan didn't make friends easily, which is not difficult to believe, I guess.

416
00:24:57.420 --> 00:24:59.400
Poor old wolf.

417
00:24:59.460 --> 00:25:02.160
Every time someone comes on, they seem to know he's been...

418
00:25:02.160 --> 00:25:03.299
Yeah, he's been discommended.

419
00:25:03.359 --> 00:25:04.440
Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.

420
00:25:04.980 --> 00:25:09.000
And this is really interesting as well.

421
00:25:09.059 --> 00:25:11.460
Because that's what this scene is about too.

422
00:25:12.299 --> 00:25:22.680
Because Sabre knows that Wharf's father has been accused that Mogue was accused of conspiring with Romulans.

423
00:25:22.740 --> 00:25:23.460
Yeah.

424
00:25:23.519 --> 00:25:26.940
And look at wharf's restraint.

425
00:25:27.000 --> 00:25:52.740
You know, like he's in, like, uh, Jonathan Frakes puts him in shadow at the back of the thing before he comes forward because we know, even though the script doesn't tell us that that's not what happened, that Worf accepted this commendation for the sake of the empire, and the price that he paid was admitting or kind of, you know, pretending that his father was a trader.

426
00:25:52.799 --> 00:25:56.759
There's there's something I want to talk about with war, but very quickly.

427
00:25:56.819 --> 00:25:58.200
Look how smooth.

428
00:25:58.259 --> 00:25:59.880
Dr. Beverly is in the chair.

429
00:25:59.940 --> 00:26:01.799
She knows she's innocent.

430
00:26:01.859 --> 00:26:03.599
She's in the pavement squirming, that's all.

431
00:26:04.859 --> 00:26:08.339
I just love. this woman.

432
00:26:08.400 --> 00:26:14.279
So her name is Nellon, and she's got her little, when is she gone?

433
00:26:14.339 --> 00:26:17.640
She's got a little iPod touch there that she's just typing on.

434
00:26:17.700 --> 00:26:19.920
Sort of like a video remote, isn't it?

435
00:26:19.980 --> 00:26:21.240
Yeah, tapping into.

436
00:26:21.299 --> 00:26:22.500
It's a pad.

437
00:26:22.559 --> 00:26:24.900
So this holy shit, this boy is pretty.

438
00:26:25.019 --> 00:26:27.119
It's such a great performance, isn't it?

439
00:26:27.180 --> 00:26:31.140
It just has a constant forlorn look on his face, doesn't he?

440
00:26:31.259 --> 00:26:33.900
And he looks like a good American boy.

441
00:26:33.960 --> 00:26:34.799
Do you know what I mean?

442
00:26:34.859 --> 00:26:35.819
Just like a good boy.

443
00:26:35.880 --> 00:26:37.920
He's like 20 eight.

444
00:26:37.980 --> 00:26:40.019
Yeah, he's perfectly cast.

445
00:26:40.079 --> 00:26:46.920
The ear makeup doesn't survive HD very well.

446
00:26:46.980 --> 00:26:47.579
But it is subtle.

447
00:26:47.700 --> 00:26:48.960
It's quite subtle, isn't it?

448
00:26:49.019 --> 00:26:51.779
And so when he told you, you can't really notice it too much.

449
00:26:52.140 --> 00:26:55.740
I thought, except that in...

450
00:26:55.799 --> 00:27:00.359
Yeah, like the way it's blended in and stuff, it looks pretty crap.

451
00:27:00.420 --> 00:27:03.720
I mean, it is supposed to be subtle because he's not a full Romulan.

452
00:27:03.779 --> 00:27:05.339
He's a full Vulcan or whatever.

453
00:27:05.400 --> 00:27:07.259
And, you know, they do something.

454
00:27:07.440 --> 00:27:12.539
Yeah, they do something to you sign. on his team. been too busy doing Gene Simmons hair the whole time.

455
00:27:12.599 --> 00:27:14.220
They've got no time to do this.

456
00:27:14.279 --> 00:27:15.480
Look at him close-up.

457
00:27:15.539 --> 00:27:16.200
It looks terrible.

458
00:27:16.259 --> 00:27:19.740
Um, He's he's really cute.

459
00:27:19.799 --> 00:27:24.900
And there's a scene later, which I just thought was impossibly hot when I was younger.

460
00:27:25.619 --> 00:27:29.339
Imagine having a massive, a massive secret.

461
00:27:29.400 --> 00:27:35.579
You lied on your application to Starfleet and they're committing an investigation.

462
00:27:35.640 --> 00:27:36.779
You don't really know why.

463
00:27:36.839 --> 00:27:39.720
And then you're brought in in front of Gene Simmons.

464
00:27:39.779 --> 00:27:41.579
I mean, I start crumbling.

465
00:27:41.819 --> 00:27:47.519
And and two, the, the, like...

466
00:27:47.519 --> 00:27:49.920
There's no real, what's the, what's the woman's name with the pad?

467
00:27:50.039 --> 00:27:54.599
There's no reason for her to be looking at him as dismissively as she is She's so great.

468
00:27:54.660 --> 00:27:55.619
She's so funny.

469
00:27:55.680 --> 00:28:08.160
And this, so Saban, who is Betazoid, recognises that he's frightened, and of course, everyone watching also recognise that despite not being an empath.

470
00:28:08.220 --> 00:28:13.200
And the lie, see, the interesting thing about the lie is, it's so forgivable.

471
00:28:13.259 --> 00:28:14.460
It's so understandable.

472
00:28:14.519 --> 00:28:22.019
You know, he lied that his grandfather, who it's not his fault, that it's his grandfather, he's got nothing to do with him.

473
00:28:22.079 --> 00:28:22.920
You know.

474
00:28:23.759 --> 00:28:26.099
Oh my god, did you see the way she flounced in sort of room there?

475
00:28:26.160 --> 00:28:27.299
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

476
00:28:27.359 --> 00:28:29.039
Yeah, that's unrestricting a movement.

477
00:28:29.099 --> 00:28:30.000
She's looking fabulous.

478
00:28:30.059 --> 00:28:32.880
Why has she got that enormous zip at the front, though?

479
00:28:32.940 --> 00:28:35.099
I know it's not a zip, but that's what it looks like.

480
00:28:35.160 --> 00:28:38.940
I mean, she's taking off those dreadful plastic earrings she had on earlier.

481
00:28:39.480 --> 00:28:49.140
Yes, for her, for her who has been, it's been drilled into her to uphold the values of the Federation, yeah.

482
00:28:49.200 --> 00:28:54.779
So the fact that he lied, that's enough for her to think, well, that man is...

483
00:28:54.839 --> 00:29:09.960
But the great thing here is, you know, she says, you haven't you used a counsellor during interrogations, like in the opening scene, and he says, yes, I do, but she shit, and she now can tell whether anyone's lying or not.

484
00:29:10.019 --> 00:29:11.940
So I don't think it's the wrong thing.

485
00:29:12.539 --> 00:29:16.559
To be honest, Admiral Satay, we write her out of some episodes.

486
00:29:16.619 --> 00:29:17.700
She's so terrible.

487
00:29:20.819 --> 00:29:25.799
If Counsellor Troy suggested to you that someone on this ship was dangerous, Would you act on that?

488
00:29:25.859 --> 00:29:27.119
No, she's terrible.

489
00:29:27.420 --> 00:29:29.160
He never knows.

490
00:29:29.220 --> 00:29:31.380
They would undoubtedly be innocent.

491
00:29:31.440 --> 00:29:33.839
There's always dangerous people on the ship.

492
00:29:33.900 --> 00:29:34.799
She never says anything.

493
00:29:36.420 --> 00:29:39.720
She usually just says, I feel something.

494
00:29:39.779 --> 00:29:42.660
It's a little bit ambiguous. holding something back.

495
00:29:45.180 --> 00:29:47.039
Bless her.

496
00:29:47.099 --> 00:29:53.640
Do you know, in sort of Kurtzman Trek, her empathic abilities are so honed, aren't they?

497
00:29:53.700 --> 00:29:55.680
Yeah, yeah, she's wonderful.

498
00:29:56.400 --> 00:29:57.900
Yes.

499
00:29:57.960 --> 00:29:59.220
So poor Simon.

500
00:29:59.279 --> 00:30:00.839
But you can see that it's understandable.

501
00:30:00.900 --> 00:30:05.759
He didn't do anything wrong by having a Romulan father and he was going to suffer racism.

502
00:30:05.819 --> 00:30:13.619
Uh, you know, like it was, if it was going to prevent him from getting into Starfleet, even as a, as a, you know, crewman.

503
00:30:13.680 --> 00:30:13.920
Yeah.

504
00:30:13.980 --> 00:30:20.220
She, see, now she says later on, oh, no, no, no, of course, you know, he's innocent until proven guilty.

505
00:30:20.279 --> 00:30:24.119
She just said there, we will have evidence against him.

506
00:30:24.180 --> 00:30:26.519
She's not working on that assumption at all.

507
00:30:26.579 --> 00:30:28.140
She thinks he's guilty.

508
00:30:28.319 --> 00:30:30.119
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

509
00:30:30.180 --> 00:30:34.559
No, she's decided that he's a saboteur, that it's him, because that's what we're looking for.

510
00:30:34.619 --> 00:30:36.960
If Jadan didn't do the thing.

511
00:30:37.019 --> 00:30:38.039
This is how it builds.

512
00:30:38.099 --> 00:30:39.539
This is how the paranoia builds.

513
00:30:39.599 --> 00:30:41.160
It was just a hatch cover.

514
00:30:41.220 --> 00:30:43.319
One if it's the warp core next time.

515
00:30:43.380 --> 00:30:44.339
Yep, yep.

516
00:30:44.819 --> 00:30:49.079
Yeah, and it's their 1st kind of confrontation and there's no coming back from this.

517
00:30:49.140 --> 00:30:51.599
Like now he's her enemy because she's a prick.

518
00:30:51.660 --> 00:30:57.420
You know, like, you know, there's not going to be agreeing to disagree or anything like that.

519
00:30:57.480 --> 00:31:00.599
I think we need a few more pricks on Jens Price.

520
00:31:00.660 --> 00:31:01.859
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

521
00:31:01.920 --> 00:31:02.220
Yeah.

522
00:31:02.279 --> 00:31:04.980
I love she's back in the dilithium chamber.

523
00:31:05.039 --> 00:31:06.240
Camera down here.

524
00:31:06.359 --> 00:31:09.599
I don't know why we're shooting from down here suddenly.

525
00:31:09.660 --> 00:31:17.880
But we're, I think we're just on the normal engineering level, but for some reason, we're shooting from below. you know, because Jonathan's got his camera down there.

526
00:31:17.940 --> 00:31:20.220
But yeah, we're looking at these.

527
00:31:20.339 --> 00:31:21.900
They haven't given her a tetna babble this time.

528
00:31:21.960 --> 00:31:23.819
She just said, what did you find?

529
00:31:23.880 --> 00:31:27.119
Yeah, yeah, no, she actually asks for an explanation.

530
00:31:27.180 --> 00:31:29.160
I'm out of my element commander.

531
00:31:29.160 --> 00:31:30.000
Please explain to me.

532
00:31:30.059 --> 00:31:31.380
Yeah.

533
00:31:31.440 --> 00:31:34.079
So basically it was an accident.

534
00:31:34.140 --> 00:31:36.180
It was an accident, but she won't let it go.

535
00:31:36.240 --> 00:31:37.500
She doesn't believe it.

536
00:31:37.559 --> 00:31:40.859
And in any case, even if it's an accident.

537
00:31:40.920 --> 00:31:42.960
She still wants to investigate Simon.

538
00:31:44.160 --> 00:31:53.099
And did you see, when data specifically says that he's saying the details, the look she gives him, because it contradicts what she wants to do.

539
00:31:53.160 --> 00:31:53.940
Yes, exactly.

540
00:31:54.000 --> 00:31:54.480
Exactly.

541
00:31:55.380 --> 00:31:58.799
Have that Android dismantled immediately.

542
00:31:59.279 --> 00:32:00.900
Yeah, yeah.

543
00:32:00.960 --> 00:32:07.440
And so they're very clear that this is this is all been a thing, you know, and it's and it's data and Geordie.

544
00:32:07.500 --> 00:32:10.140
Like we have to believe them.

545
00:32:10.200 --> 00:32:11.819
Do you look at that woman behind him?

546
00:32:11.940 --> 00:32:14.039
She's so great.

547
00:32:14.099 --> 00:32:15.660
She just so awesome.

548
00:32:16.920 --> 00:32:20.400
She's upstage in everybody in this bloody thing.

549
00:32:20.759 --> 00:32:22.440
Look at her.

550
00:32:25.500 --> 00:32:27.779
That's too shot with her and Picard.

551
00:32:27.839 --> 00:32:29.460
It's so funny, isn't it?

552
00:32:29.579 --> 00:32:31.680
Oh, dear.

553
00:32:31.680 --> 00:32:33.779
She is acting him off the screen.

554
00:32:33.839 --> 00:32:35.039
It's really great.

555
00:32:35.099 --> 00:32:36.480
She's not saying a word.

556
00:32:36.539 --> 00:32:40.799
Every now and again, she thinks she thinks about doing her shorthand and then she does it.

557
00:32:40.920 --> 00:32:42.000
There it is.

558
00:32:42.299 --> 00:32:44.220
He walks...

559
00:32:44.279 --> 00:32:49.019
He looks at her and kind of goes, actually, I'm going to move over here. walks across the room, yeah.

560
00:32:49.079 --> 00:32:51.720
I'm not having it stolen by you, bitch.

561
00:32:51.779 --> 00:32:52.319
All right.

562
00:32:52.319 --> 00:32:58.079
He goes, I've only got Michael Dawn and this fella over here.

563
00:32:58.140 --> 00:32:58.740
I'll be all right.

564
00:32:58.859 --> 00:33:01.500
But don't you think that's deliberately funny?

565
00:33:01.559 --> 00:33:02.579
Like, that's her.

566
00:33:02.640 --> 00:33:07.500
She's the most Star Treky character here because she's got the stupid forehead and all of that.

567
00:33:07.559 --> 00:33:13.740
And like the outfit, she's wearing a sort of chuck super wipe that's been kind of strategically cut.

568
00:33:13.799 --> 00:33:20.759
And, and like, I think that that's a deliberate comedy element in the episode and they play it that way.

569
00:33:20.819 --> 00:33:21.720
I think it's really good.

570
00:33:21.960 --> 00:33:25.680
That whole scene there, everybody was...

571
00:33:25.799 --> 00:33:30.359
Oh, I love this when he comes in and she's opened up the hearing to everybody.

572
00:33:30.420 --> 00:33:31.680
Look at Nella.

573
00:33:31.740 --> 00:33:35.579
Look at Nella standing there just looking at it. was just like, yeah, fuck you, look at this.

574
00:33:35.819 --> 00:33:40.079
But did you notice what Freak steers in that scene?

575
00:33:40.140 --> 00:33:50.460
He has it absolutely quiet because Picard's outside the door and you come in and there's an arc and assault of people talking to really stress the fact that, well, I think it's supposed to be a very packed room.

576
00:33:50.519 --> 00:33:52.019
We've got about 15 extras.

577
00:33:52.079 --> 00:33:53.039
Yeah, that's all we're going to find.

578
00:33:53.099 --> 00:33:57.480
Yeah, but it's a lot, you know, it is a reasonable number of extras for a scene in Star Trek, the next generation.

579
00:33:57.539 --> 00:33:58.980
It's probably not packed.

580
00:33:59.039 --> 00:34:01.200
The sort of the idea is that everyone's got an opinion.

581
00:34:01.259 --> 00:34:02.519
That's your baying crowd, right?

582
00:34:02.579 --> 00:34:04.079
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

583
00:34:04.200 --> 00:34:07.680
And it just ramps up the pressure on Simon.

584
00:34:07.740 --> 00:34:08.880
Poor Simon.

585
00:34:08.940 --> 00:34:09.659
What a pretty boy.

586
00:34:09.719 --> 00:34:15.000
Look at that office chair that very 20th century office chair he's sitting in.

587
00:34:15.059 --> 00:34:16.679
Right, it's terrible.

588
00:34:16.739 --> 00:34:18.059
As a defence person.

589
00:34:18.119 --> 00:34:18.960
He's terrible, isn't he?

590
00:34:19.019 --> 00:34:19.440
You got to do nothing.

591
00:34:19.559 --> 00:34:21.659
He got data off in measure of a man.

592
00:34:21.719 --> 00:34:22.320
What do you want?

593
00:34:22.380 --> 00:34:24.480
No, he does something really hot here, I think.

594
00:34:24.539 --> 00:34:27.719
Not when he's going up against Admiral Satay.

595
00:34:27.719 --> 00:34:34.380
Oh, Dr. Beverly, no. come on now.

596
00:34:34.440 --> 00:34:35.460
Look after him.

597
00:34:35.519 --> 00:34:36.360
He works for you.

598
00:34:36.420 --> 00:34:37.739
Yeah, just tell a lie.

599
00:34:37.800 --> 00:34:38.340
Who cares?

600
00:34:38.400 --> 00:34:39.840
Oh, this stupid cow.

601
00:34:39.900 --> 00:34:42.659
Don't tell her anything She's good.

602
00:34:42.719 --> 00:34:47.699
There wasn't one moment in this episode where she gave her robotic delivery, Dr. Beverly. was quite impressed.

603
00:34:47.760 --> 00:34:49.380
Yeah, yeah, this.

604
00:34:49.440 --> 00:34:53.519
If he's so innocent, why do you hesitate to give the name to Picard?

605
00:34:53.519 --> 00:34:55.320
Because actually, let's stop this now.

606
00:34:55.380 --> 00:35:01.559
That's insane, you know, like, like, it's very clear to Picard where this is going.

607
00:35:01.619 --> 00:35:03.059
You know, she's mental.

608
00:35:03.119 --> 00:35:06.179
It's gone in, it's gone out of control.

609
00:35:06.539 --> 00:35:11.219
I love how Sassay deploys the people that work for her.

610
00:35:11.280 --> 00:35:13.619
She just gave me a little knob then right off you go.

611
00:35:13.679 --> 00:35:14.340
Yeah, yeah.

612
00:35:14.340 --> 00:35:17.039
Like she's had, she's got this whole thing just structured.

613
00:35:17.699 --> 00:35:22.320
He looks so concerned, doesn't he, that pretty little boy.

614
00:35:22.380 --> 00:35:23.280
That's so cute.

615
00:35:24.360 --> 00:35:29.039
And I remember the 1st time I watched this and I thought, well, he's innocent.

616
00:35:29.099 --> 00:35:29.639
Look at him.

617
00:35:29.699 --> 00:35:33.420
And then when they dropped the information about the Romans, oh, fuck.

618
00:35:33.480 --> 00:35:36.840
Like, I know that's not his fault who his dad is.

619
00:35:36.960 --> 00:35:38.460
But what about this?

620
00:35:38.519 --> 00:35:40.199
I think this moment is great.

621
00:35:40.260 --> 00:35:47.099
When Saban says there's evidence that it was caused by a corrosives chemical from Sick Bay, and we think that you did it.

622
00:35:47.159 --> 00:35:50.760
And the only reason he's saying that is to put him under pressure.

623
00:35:50.820 --> 00:35:55.500
And then he says, how can we believe someone who we know to be a liar?

624
00:35:55.559 --> 00:35:57.000
And it's just like you.

625
00:35:57.059 --> 00:35:58.440
You are the liar.

626
00:35:58.500 --> 00:36:04.199
You said that just to make him anxious. you know, and to prejudice the inquiry.

627
00:36:04.260 --> 00:36:05.940
He's a lawyer.

628
00:36:06.000 --> 00:36:07.079
I mean, this is what I do.

629
00:36:07.139 --> 00:36:11.400
But he's lying, you know, like, and he's Starfleet.

630
00:36:11.460 --> 00:36:13.980
We don't lie if you remember.

631
00:36:14.039 --> 00:36:18.480
So well, he's he's selling him a lie. getting him to tell the truth.

632
00:36:18.539 --> 00:36:20.159
Oh, this isn't this hot?

633
00:36:20.219 --> 00:36:20.699
Look at this.

634
00:36:20.760 --> 00:36:22.679
Oh, Riker.

635
00:36:22.800 --> 00:36:27.900
Right, it like kind of whispers in his ear and puts his hand on his shoulder and tells him don't answer the question.

636
00:36:27.960 --> 00:36:33.659
And then, yeah, I know, but then by saying that it just makes you look more guilty.

637
00:36:33.719 --> 00:36:35.400
They've put him in a corner, haven't they?

638
00:36:35.460 --> 00:36:38.519
Where it just looks like he's hiding things now.

639
00:36:38.579 --> 00:36:46.980
But he is, and he shouldn't have to answer the question because he's not on trial and that's the Fifth Amendment.

640
00:36:47.039 --> 00:36:52.320
That's the 7th guarantee or whatever it is where you don't have to incriminate yourself in a trial.

641
00:36:52.320 --> 00:36:55.860
If you're not the one in, you know, like he doesn't have to say that.

642
00:36:55.920 --> 00:36:57.840
This is the thing about wharf.

643
00:36:57.900 --> 00:37:02.699
I wanted to talk about where he's sending out his security team and he looks like he's enjoying.

644
00:37:02.760 --> 00:37:06.719
He's getting the chance to go around, interrogate people, investigate things.

645
00:37:06.780 --> 00:37:11.940
And there's a very telling shot where Picard's one side of the table and wharfs the other.

646
00:37:12.000 --> 00:37:14.940
They're sort of the power positions around the long table.

647
00:37:14.940 --> 00:37:19.079
And he watch the camera as it's down on wharf.

648
00:37:19.079 --> 00:37:22.079
And then wharf does relax and go, you know, what's wrong, sir?

649
00:37:22.139 --> 00:37:23.219
Or something like that.

650
00:37:23.280 --> 00:37:27.900
But I think Patrick Stewart plays the armies superbly.

651
00:37:27.960 --> 00:37:28.739
Yeah.

652
00:37:28.739 --> 00:37:31.559
Despite some sledgehammer dialogue.

653
00:37:31.619 --> 00:37:32.940
He gets later on in the episode.

654
00:37:33.000 --> 00:37:37.380
These 2 shots, like, yeah, they look...

655
00:37:37.440 --> 00:37:37.800
Yeah.

656
00:37:37.860 --> 00:37:38.219
Yeah.

657
00:37:39.059 --> 00:37:41.280
He's good, isn't he?

658
00:37:41.340 --> 00:37:43.019
Like Frakes is good immediately.

659
00:37:43.079 --> 00:37:44.699
Like from his 1st episode.

660
00:37:44.760 --> 00:37:50.880
His 1st episode is the offspring, which he's barely in so that he can just direct it.

661
00:37:51.000 --> 00:37:55.139
And it's immediately well directed, like just well done.

662
00:37:55.199 --> 00:37:58.920
And this, you know, this is a kind of boring scene.

663
00:37:58.980 --> 00:38:01.320
Like, this is explaining what the title means.

664
00:38:01.320 --> 00:38:08.579
And, you know, um, But, look at Worf, but we know there is a trace.

665
00:38:08.579 --> 00:38:09.480
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

666
00:38:09.539 --> 00:38:10.079
Yeah.

667
00:38:10.139 --> 00:38:10.920
Do we?

668
00:38:14.099 --> 00:38:15.840
And that's it.

669
00:38:15.900 --> 00:38:17.579
You are right.

670
00:38:17.639 --> 00:38:19.440
Wharf is wrong in TMG.

671
00:38:19.500 --> 00:38:21.360
Somebody's wrong in TNG.

672
00:38:21.420 --> 00:38:23.159
Like if there's a disagreement, he's wrong.

673
00:38:23.219 --> 00:38:24.659
Because he's going...

674
00:38:24.719 --> 00:38:25.920
Well, look, he told a lie.

675
00:38:25.980 --> 00:38:28.260
So obviously, you know, he's guilty of terrorism.

676
00:38:28.320 --> 00:38:28.980
What?

677
00:38:28.980 --> 00:38:31.139
Like, how did he get there?

678
00:38:31.199 --> 00:38:32.280
Yeah, yeah.

679
00:38:32.340 --> 00:38:33.119
Yeah.

680
00:38:36.300 --> 00:38:38.579
It's so good, isn't it?

681
00:38:38.639 --> 00:38:51.539
Because the other thing that he does, like here, it's just static cameras, but we keep going closer and closer on the 2 of them, as, you know, the thing goes as a thing progresses, we're quite close on both of them.

682
00:38:51.599 --> 00:38:54.239
It was a medium close-up on them at the beginning of the scene.

683
00:38:54.239 --> 00:39:00.059
And it's just, it's just Jonathan saying, I'll get out of your way and you both do some acting.

684
00:39:00.119 --> 00:39:01.320
Don't you think?

685
00:39:01.380 --> 00:39:03.179
Oh, that's so annoying.

686
00:39:03.239 --> 00:39:05.880
He has such a brilliant line there where he goes, yeah.

687
00:39:05.940 --> 00:39:07.019
That's how it starts.

688
00:39:07.079 --> 00:39:08.099
Yeah, yeah.

689
00:39:08.099 --> 00:39:08.820
That's enough.

690
00:39:08.880 --> 00:39:13.679
And then she follows her up with the road from suspicion to rampant paranoia.

691
00:39:13.739 --> 00:39:15.420
No, we don't need that.

692
00:39:15.480 --> 00:39:17.820
Yeah, we don't need that.

693
00:39:17.880 --> 00:39:22.619
Worf line is so telling where he goes, sir, the Federation does have enemies.

694
00:39:22.679 --> 00:39:23.460
Yeah.

695
00:39:23.460 --> 00:39:26.099
That paranoia is up and up and up.

696
00:39:26.219 --> 00:39:28.199
Oh, this.

697
00:39:28.260 --> 00:39:31.079
It's so sad as well.

698
00:39:31.139 --> 00:39:33.599
Even the way he drinks his teeth.

699
00:39:33.599 --> 00:39:34.559
I know.

700
00:39:34.559 --> 00:39:36.420
It's like a kicked puppy, isn't he?

701
00:39:37.320 --> 00:39:39.119
Oh here we go.

702
00:39:39.179 --> 00:39:43.199
Here's here's Cyrus. all my life I wanted to join Starfleet.

703
00:39:43.260 --> 00:39:50.159
But I think this is really good because normally we just see Starfleet and it's the best of the best and stuff.

704
00:39:50.159 --> 00:39:55.559
And he's just some dumb kid and he didn't, he couldn't wait.

705
00:39:55.619 --> 00:39:57.119
He didn't want to do a degree.

706
00:39:57.179 --> 00:39:59.639
He didn't want to go to Starfleet Academy.

707
00:39:59.699 --> 00:40:03.000
They probably would have sniffed him out then, wouldn't they?

708
00:40:03.539 --> 00:40:07.320
Oh, oh, maybe, but that's not what he says.

709
00:40:07.380 --> 00:40:11.280
Like, and I think there's no reason not to believe him at this point.

710
00:40:11.340 --> 00:40:12.300
Do you know what I mean?

711
00:40:12.360 --> 00:40:15.420
He's not being interrogated by Saban or Satee.

712
00:40:15.480 --> 00:40:17.159
And it...

713
00:40:17.159 --> 00:40:17.639
Oh, boy.

714
00:40:18.360 --> 00:40:20.159
The elm tree.

715
00:40:20.219 --> 00:40:23.519
I've sat under that tree many times, you know.

716
00:40:23.579 --> 00:40:26.280
It was a big ugly tree, wasn't it?

717
00:40:26.519 --> 00:40:34.679
But I think what's cute about it is that, like, this is, like, he's enthusiastic.

718
00:40:34.739 --> 00:40:36.840
Like he's he's someone that you would want.

719
00:40:36.900 --> 00:40:38.880
You know, he wants to be here.

720
00:40:38.940 --> 00:40:46.019
Like, and it is a cheesy scene and he, you know, he sort of becomes a bit more animated, I think, during the course of it.

721
00:40:46.079 --> 00:40:57.780
But there's a real loss, you know, like this poor kid, you know, he achieved his, you know, doesn't he say the day I came aboard Enterprise, you know, was the greatest day of my life?

722
00:40:58.559 --> 00:41:00.900
And that's it.

723
00:41:00.960 --> 00:41:02.280
Now the ecos is it.

724
00:41:02.340 --> 00:41:02.880
That's it.

725
00:41:02.940 --> 00:41:04.320
My career is finished.

726
00:41:05.699 --> 00:41:08.760
And he is guilty though, isn't he?

727
00:41:08.820 --> 00:41:09.659
It doesn't matter.

728
00:41:09.719 --> 00:41:10.320
He guilty.

729
00:41:10.380 --> 00:41:13.019
You know, he lied on his application.

730
00:41:13.079 --> 00:41:16.380
And like Picard doesn't say it'll be all right.

731
00:41:16.440 --> 00:41:18.659
You know, like because it won't be.

732
00:41:18.780 --> 00:41:25.139
Because obviously shit, I'm pulling the strings, you know, when Bashir was revealed as being a genetically engineered.

733
00:41:25.199 --> 00:41:26.519
Yeah, we've just pulled a few streams.

734
00:41:26.519 --> 00:41:28.139
He's in the opening credits, though.

735
00:41:28.260 --> 00:41:29.460
They would have had to redo this.

736
00:41:29.519 --> 00:41:31.920
Oh, Admiral Suttay is in full swing now.

737
00:41:31.980 --> 00:41:33.780
Marching down the corridor.

738
00:41:33.840 --> 00:41:37.019
Giving it instructions to Nella, who's tiding away.

739
00:41:37.079 --> 00:41:42.960
Picard goes in private and then Nella goes, oh, all right, so you stay here, darling.

740
00:41:43.019 --> 00:41:44.099
You stay here.

741
00:41:44.579 --> 00:41:48.119
The look, the look and the car gives her.

742
00:41:49.079 --> 00:41:51.119
She gets annoyed.

743
00:41:51.300 --> 00:41:52.800
And now she's really shitty.

744
00:41:52.860 --> 00:41:56.400
She's left behind in the scene just looking really annoying to being left down.

745
00:41:57.179 --> 00:42:00.119
I love that Picard calls her out here, though.

746
00:42:00.179 --> 00:42:01.380
Yeah, you know it.

747
00:42:01.440 --> 00:42:03.239
There were no volatile chemicals.

748
00:42:03.360 --> 00:42:05.099
You boxed him into a corner.

749
00:42:05.159 --> 00:42:06.780
You're hounding an innocent man.

750
00:42:06.840 --> 00:42:09.239
Yeah, it was a tactic away of applying pressure.

751
00:42:09.300 --> 00:42:10.980
It's just like, well, how is that acceptable?

752
00:42:11.039 --> 00:42:12.719
Like, you want to find out the truth?

753
00:42:12.780 --> 00:42:13.619
What are you doing?

754
00:42:13.619 --> 00:42:14.579
The very thing.

755
00:42:14.579 --> 00:42:16.679
You're accusing him.

756
00:42:16.739 --> 00:42:17.280
That's right.

757
00:42:17.340 --> 00:42:18.960
He lied on his application.

758
00:42:19.019 --> 00:42:22.739
Look who lied in court, you know, saving lied in court.

759
00:42:25.860 --> 00:42:28.440
Oh, boy, she's utterly convinced, isn't she?

760
00:42:28.500 --> 00:42:29.460
Yeah, yeah.

761
00:42:29.519 --> 00:42:41.820
And because she's a nutcase, she absolutely dismisses the idea that Picant could just sit down with him and ask him what happened like a normal person and he would tell the truth.

762
00:42:42.000 --> 00:42:44.340
I love a woman in power.

763
00:42:44.400 --> 00:42:48.059
I'll tell him, Picard, how can you be so utterly naive, Captain.

764
00:42:48.119 --> 00:42:48.840
She's great.

765
00:42:48.840 --> 00:42:50.760
And this is, I have no home.

766
00:42:50.820 --> 00:42:51.599
I have no friends.

767
00:42:51.659 --> 00:42:52.079
Really?

768
00:42:52.139 --> 00:42:53.039
You?

769
00:42:53.159 --> 00:42:54.059
No friends.

770
00:42:54.119 --> 00:42:55.079
That's a...

771
00:42:55.079 --> 00:42:55.920
I have a purpose.

772
00:42:56.820 --> 00:43:07.320
My father taught me from the time I was a little girl clutching my blanket that the United Federation Planets is the most remarkable institution ever.

773
00:43:07.440 --> 00:43:08.460
Oh, daddy issues.

774
00:43:08.519 --> 00:43:11.219
Yeah, well, these are cause it's daddy issues.

775
00:43:11.280 --> 00:43:16.139
But also, you know, this is what Deep Says 9 does.

776
00:43:16.199 --> 00:43:22.019
Like, I love the idea that the United Federation of Planets is the greatest institution ever conceived.

777
00:43:22.079 --> 00:43:25.260
You know, like, and that's how I want to feel about it.

778
00:43:25.320 --> 00:43:28.139
But if this is what happens, do you know what I mean?

779
00:43:28.199 --> 00:43:30.780
The moment that a casing blows open.

780
00:43:30.900 --> 00:43:32.579
Something's gone horribly wrong.

781
00:43:32.639 --> 00:43:39.719
And obviously, you know, Deep Sace 9 is investigating the Federation from the left, you know, because it's America.

782
00:43:39.840 --> 00:43:40.860
Yeah.

783
00:43:40.860 --> 00:43:42.659
It's wonderful.

784
00:43:42.719 --> 00:43:45.659
He stands up to her and goes, this is going to stop.

785
00:43:45.719 --> 00:43:49.139
And she says, I'm sorry to tell you this, Captain.

786
00:43:49.199 --> 00:43:52.679
But I've already gone over your head and softly knows everything.

787
00:43:52.739 --> 00:43:54.119
It's great isn't it?

788
00:43:54.179 --> 00:43:55.739
She's really, really good.

789
00:43:56.039 --> 00:43:58.739
It's so terrifying, isn't it?

790
00:43:58.800 --> 00:44:03.840
Like, have you ever worked with people in positions of power, that abuse those positions of power to hurt people.

791
00:44:03.900 --> 00:44:05.820
It is really, really scary.

792
00:44:05.880 --> 00:44:09.719
And the fact that, honestly, she plays it so well.

793
00:44:09.780 --> 00:44:11.699
Yeah, yeah, she's really good, isn't she?

794
00:44:11.820 --> 00:44:12.539
Utterly cold.

795
00:44:12.599 --> 00:44:15.659
I report to Starfleet command directly.

796
00:44:15.719 --> 00:44:19.619
I do not need your permission or approval for my decisions.

797
00:44:19.679 --> 00:44:21.239
So great.

798
00:44:21.300 --> 00:44:23.400
And then she then she just flounces out the room.

799
00:44:23.400 --> 00:44:25.559
She smiles at him and flounces out.

800
00:44:25.559 --> 00:44:28.860
And this at the doorway, I think, is great.

801
00:44:28.860 --> 00:44:30.059
And I love his speech.

802
00:44:30.119 --> 00:44:30.840
I'll stop you.

803
00:44:30.900 --> 00:44:32.699
It's unethical.

804
00:44:32.760 --> 00:44:33.900
It's immoral.

805
00:44:33.960 --> 00:44:35.159
I'll stop you.

806
00:44:35.219 --> 00:44:36.900
I'll fight it he says.

807
00:44:36.960 --> 00:44:39.360
I think that's a really well written line too.

808
00:44:39.599 --> 00:44:46.440
Ah, and look, we're looking just slightly up at her in that shot as well.

809
00:44:46.500 --> 00:44:49.800
She's looking down at the ca- you know, she's looking down over us.

810
00:44:49.860 --> 00:44:52.559
Now, what's the woman's name with a pad again?

811
00:44:52.619 --> 00:44:53.699
Nellon.

812
00:44:53.760 --> 00:44:55.139
What Nellon?

813
00:44:55.199 --> 00:44:55.860
Nellon.

814
00:44:55.920 --> 00:44:56.099
Yeah.

815
00:44:56.159 --> 00:44:58.019
Watch now how she comes in, right?

816
00:44:58.079 --> 00:44:59.159
She comes out Otoberlift.

817
00:44:59.219 --> 00:45:00.719
And instead of just going round this way.

818
00:45:00.780 --> 00:45:04.619
No, no, she walks the whole bridge around Pass Riker.

819
00:45:04.679 --> 00:45:06.059
Look, watch her.

820
00:45:08.159 --> 00:45:10.440
She could have gone the other way.

821
00:45:10.500 --> 00:45:12.059
She'd have been there a long quicker, no.

822
00:45:12.119 --> 00:45:14.159
We have to know she's coming.

823
00:45:14.219 --> 00:45:16.440
I'm taking the whole bridge in.

824
00:45:16.619 --> 00:45:29.579
And say she's got terrifying teeth and she's like she's got a voice, she can talk and she's scary and she gives him her iPod touch there.

825
00:45:29.639 --> 00:45:32.699
Um, and he's kind of like, really, she can talk.

826
00:45:32.760 --> 00:45:34.559
I didn't think she was being paid to talk.

827
00:45:34.619 --> 00:45:37.739
Like, that's the end of the end.

828
00:45:37.739 --> 00:45:38.760
She's summoning me.

829
00:45:38.820 --> 00:45:39.420
Me?

830
00:45:39.840 --> 00:45:42.599
What the hell was she raked up on me?

831
00:45:42.659 --> 00:45:43.199
Oh, God.

832
00:45:43.260 --> 00:45:45.239
So he's about to find out.

833
00:45:45.239 --> 00:45:48.119
I'm driving on an Excelsior class starship.

834
00:45:48.179 --> 00:45:52.559
I just thought, I don't think he gets any lives. sits there and watch his proceedings.

835
00:45:52.619 --> 00:45:54.179
Yeah, yeah, he does.

836
00:45:54.239 --> 00:46:00.719
But he does get to give her a look and it's very clear what he thinks about how mad she is.

837
00:46:00.780 --> 00:46:02.699
Nathan, where is this set?

838
00:46:03.119 --> 00:46:05.940
I don't know if we ever go here ever again.

839
00:46:06.000 --> 00:46:09.239
It's the accusing parlour, it's called.

840
00:46:10.199 --> 00:46:13.260
Does every galaxy class ship have one?

841
00:46:13.320 --> 00:46:14.639
No, it's right.

842
00:46:14.639 --> 00:46:17.460
That's for a Futurama.

843
00:46:17.519 --> 00:46:20.219
They have the accusing parlour.

844
00:46:20.280 --> 00:46:22.920
You know, when they're sort of designing the things.

845
00:46:22.980 --> 00:46:24.539
You haven't put the accusing parlour in you.

846
00:46:24.599 --> 00:46:26.460
Remember how many trials we have, all right?

847
00:46:27.300 --> 00:46:31.320
And like the opening statement thing is just you can't have an opening statement.

848
00:46:31.380 --> 00:46:33.719
He goes, yes, I can. and this is the law.

849
00:46:33.780 --> 00:46:36.360
It's just like she doesn't even give a shit what the law is.

850
00:46:36.420 --> 00:46:44.280
You know, she knows that he has the right to an opening statement, but she's going to try and bullying him, bullying him into not having it.

851
00:46:44.340 --> 00:46:46.739
But what Frank Star's hair is.

852
00:46:46.800 --> 00:46:48.900
He's got the camera going around the room, right?

853
00:46:48.900 --> 00:46:55.199
As if this is a great Captain Picard sum up speech of, this is how I'm going to bring all this bullshit to an end.

854
00:46:55.260 --> 00:46:55.980
And it doesn't.

855
00:46:56.099 --> 00:47:02.699
And it feels like we, you know, like injustice or several episodes that we've done and then she pulls the rug.

856
00:47:02.820 --> 00:47:04.559
Bring it up, Wall 359.

857
00:47:04.739 --> 00:47:06.300
Yep, it's great.

858
00:47:06.360 --> 00:47:07.500
It is good, isn't it?

859
00:47:07.559 --> 00:47:08.039
You're right.

860
00:47:08.099 --> 00:47:10.139
He, like, he, he goes.

861
00:47:10.199 --> 00:47:21.420
It's a tracking cross a tracking shot across and then it slowly moves into him and it's a great speech and the way he delivers it would have been so TNG to have ended it.

862
00:47:21.480 --> 00:47:22.860
Instead, yeah.

863
00:47:22.860 --> 00:47:25.800
I brought out better men than you, Picard.

864
00:47:25.920 --> 00:47:31.980
I think it's a really well to live in speech too, because he's kind of a bit relaxed.

865
00:47:32.039 --> 00:47:32.940
Do you know what I mean?

866
00:47:33.059 --> 00:47:35.760
Like he's not, he's just talking normally.

867
00:47:35.820 --> 00:47:38.400
He's not or rating or anything like that.

868
00:47:38.460 --> 00:47:42.900
Like, and he's thinking, you know, like he pauses to think all the time.

869
00:47:42.960 --> 00:47:43.679
I think it's good.

870
00:47:43.739 --> 00:47:46.559
Imagine Shatner given this speech.

871
00:47:46.559 --> 00:47:50.639
I need a tornish show off by now.

872
00:47:52.019 --> 00:47:54.300
Quick shot of the admiral.

873
00:47:54.360 --> 00:47:54.780
Don't talk.

874
00:47:54.840 --> 00:47:56.159
You're not being paid for it, all right?

875
00:47:56.280 --> 00:47:57.539
Yeah, yep, yep.

876
00:47:57.599 --> 00:47:58.139
Yeah.

877
00:47:58.199 --> 00:48:02.460
I love her line here and her delivery is so great.

878
00:48:02.519 --> 00:48:08.880
And so she's talking about the prime directive and she goes, you know that you violate it 9 times.

879
00:48:08.940 --> 00:48:10.260
Would you be surprised?

880
00:48:10.320 --> 00:48:12.420
Would you be surprised to learn?

881
00:48:12.480 --> 00:48:15.780
I can tell you, it's a prize of hell. surprised about hell out of me.

882
00:48:15.840 --> 00:48:19.739
It's so funny.

883
00:48:19.800 --> 00:48:27.300
And she delivers it because everything has been so prim and proper and she just says it's surprised the hell out of me in a really kind of colloquial way.

884
00:48:27.360 --> 00:48:27.840
She's wonderful.

885
00:48:27.900 --> 00:48:28.440
She's great.

886
00:48:28.559 --> 00:48:33.360
I hope you notice her body language, but throughout the rest of the episode, during the trial scene, she's been sitting up.

887
00:48:33.360 --> 00:48:37.440
Right now, she is really relaxed in a power position.

888
00:48:37.500 --> 00:48:38.880
She's got it.

889
00:48:38.880 --> 00:48:44.039
Her arm's sort of hanging loose, jackers in her eyes. she's got all the right words to say.

890
00:48:44.099 --> 00:48:47.639
So now we've got a reference to Data's day.

891
00:48:48.539 --> 00:48:51.840
Which was a previous time.

892
00:48:51.900 --> 00:48:52.679
Yeah.

893
00:48:52.739 --> 00:49:07.619
So it's a previous time where what we thought was a Vulcan ambassador actually turned out to be a Romulan, so it's another occasion where someone of Romulan has passed themselves off as a Vulcan.

894
00:49:07.679 --> 00:49:08.820
Great, isn't it?

895
00:49:08.880 --> 00:49:17.820
The way they, you know, and how there's probably a ton of episodes where they could pull out, you know, things that he's done. that you could question.

896
00:49:17.880 --> 00:49:21.480
Certainly one of those 9 has to have been justice, remember?

897
00:49:22.019 --> 00:49:28.079
But she's narrating, you know, that final act of data's day.

898
00:49:28.139 --> 00:49:35.460
And that's the plot that happens in the background that we don't get to properly see because we're mostly concentrating on Keiko and Miles's wedding, remember?

899
00:49:35.519 --> 00:49:38.639
And here's where she loses wharf, isn't it?

900
00:49:39.239 --> 00:49:42.719
Yeah, oh, yeah, Warf's waiting a bit now, isn't he?

901
00:49:42.780 --> 00:49:43.260
Oh, shit.

902
00:49:43.260 --> 00:49:46.619
He stands up to her and says, I don't believe you anymore.

903
00:49:46.679 --> 00:49:49.019
Oh, yeah. and then he suddenly gets accused.

904
00:49:49.079 --> 00:49:51.420
And now it's about him.

905
00:49:51.480 --> 00:49:52.679
Now it becomes about warf.

906
00:49:52.739 --> 00:49:53.940
Why do you have wharf on board?

907
00:49:54.000 --> 00:49:57.539
Fingers are pointing in every direction.

908
00:49:57.539 --> 00:50:01.500
But if you dare to stand up to her, you're next, is the...

909
00:50:01.559 --> 00:50:03.539
Could they have just found something on Dr. Beverly?

910
00:50:03.599 --> 00:50:05.340
I would have loved to seen her squirm for a little bit.

911
00:50:05.400 --> 00:50:06.119
It would be great.

912
00:50:06.179 --> 00:50:07.320
She would have killed it.

913
00:50:07.380 --> 00:50:12.900
Captain, isn't it true that you brought in the most useless betasoids on the entire planet?

914
00:50:15.239 --> 00:50:23.219
Oh, he must have been awful for you. actually becoming one of them.

915
00:50:24.420 --> 00:50:31.440
But his response where it's just like, this is fucking bullshit. and how dare you go there?

916
00:50:31.500 --> 00:50:32.940
Do you know what I mean?

917
00:50:33.000 --> 00:50:35.460
Like his initial reaction is really good.

918
00:50:36.300 --> 00:50:39.480
Yeah, performance hit is bang on.

919
00:50:39.480 --> 00:50:49.199
Because, like, I'm not hearing her performance yet, and her body language is all sympathy, but I know her, the words coming out of her mouth are all accusatory.

920
00:50:49.260 --> 00:50:51.599
Yeah, yeah, and here she goes.

921
00:50:51.659 --> 00:50:53.880
I question your loyalty.

922
00:50:57.000 --> 00:51:00.659
Watch her face as he starts quoting this.

923
00:51:00.719 --> 00:51:01.980
It's so good.

924
00:51:02.039 --> 00:51:04.500
And it's just like, all right, fuck you.

925
00:51:04.559 --> 00:51:07.500
Here's what I'm going to do, miss daddy issues.

926
00:51:07.559 --> 00:51:11.280
I'm going to absolutely ruin your career now.

927
00:51:11.400 --> 00:51:14.940
So you just sit there while I deliver this speech.

928
00:51:15.059 --> 00:51:20.460
And he's not looking at her and he's not kind of grandstanding or anything like that.

929
00:51:20.579 --> 00:51:24.480
She sort of comes forward and sort of starts standing up.

930
00:51:24.960 --> 00:51:25.980
She's right into counts.

931
00:51:26.039 --> 00:51:27.599
She is waiting to bounce.

932
00:51:27.719 --> 00:51:29.039
But she's shaking.

933
00:51:29.099 --> 00:51:31.920
You know, like she's not in control anymore.

934
00:51:32.099 --> 00:51:32.519
Here we go.

935
00:51:32.579 --> 00:51:34.139
How dare you?

936
00:51:34.199 --> 00:51:37.619
You who consult with Romulans.

937
00:51:37.679 --> 00:51:39.059
So great.

938
00:51:39.119 --> 00:51:40.139
It's so good.

939
00:51:40.199 --> 00:51:42.179
It's tearing up.

940
00:51:42.239 --> 00:51:44.639
It's traitorous arguments.

941
00:51:44.699 --> 00:51:48.000
It is an offence to hear those words.

942
00:51:48.059 --> 00:51:49.679
Oh, she's wonderful.

943
00:51:49.739 --> 00:51:51.119
It was so great.

944
00:51:51.179 --> 00:51:52.739
So I look...

945
00:51:52.739 --> 00:51:57.960
And as Simon, Simon was there watching a loose as shit.

946
00:51:58.320 --> 00:52:01.980
You dirty his name when you speak it.

947
00:52:02.039 --> 00:52:02.639
He loves that.

948
00:52:02.699 --> 00:52:06.300
Oh, she has got some serious daddy issues, isn't she?

949
00:52:06.360 --> 00:52:10.139
And look at like Admiral Henry's kind of going, what the fuck is that?

950
00:52:14.400 --> 00:52:16.860
Yeah, okay, see ya.

951
00:52:16.920 --> 00:52:18.179
I'm out.

952
00:52:18.239 --> 00:52:19.139
That's great.

953
00:52:19.199 --> 00:52:21.239
And he walks behind her, doesn't he?

954
00:52:21.300 --> 00:52:25.199
You know, he walks in front of the camera and just leaves.

955
00:52:25.260 --> 00:52:26.820
Not a word, though.

956
00:52:26.880 --> 00:52:30.599
Not say anything. and we know, do you know what I mean?

957
00:52:30.659 --> 00:52:31.860
That's it and she knows.

958
00:52:31.980 --> 00:52:36.360
And then what Jonathan does, look at the shaking...

959
00:52:36.420 --> 00:52:38.820
She sits down broken.

960
00:52:38.880 --> 00:52:44.579
She knows her career is over now because of how she's behaved and everybody leaves the room around her.

961
00:52:44.639 --> 00:52:52.500
But also the camera pulls back so she gets smaller and smaller and smaller. the fuck, didn't they end the episode here?

962
00:52:52.559 --> 00:52:53.760
Yeah, yeah.

963
00:52:53.760 --> 00:52:54.360
It's perfect.

964
00:52:54.420 --> 00:52:57.000
It's a perfect shot coming away from her.

965
00:52:57.059 --> 00:53:00.900
Look how small she is compared to Saban in that 2 shot as well.

966
00:53:00.960 --> 00:53:02.280
Like he dwarfs her.

967
00:53:02.340 --> 00:53:06.360
Um, uh, and then this is the final shot.

968
00:53:06.420 --> 00:53:07.980
She's not looking at anyone.

969
00:53:08.039 --> 00:53:22.559
Everyone gets up and leaves the room, and the camera pulls back and goes up, so she's just shrinking before her, before her eyes, and the last person leaves is Nella, who just kind of goes, yeah, sorry, love, you're fine.

970
00:53:22.619 --> 00:53:23.460
See ya.

971
00:53:27.420 --> 00:53:29.159
Don't worry.

972
00:53:29.219 --> 00:53:32.280
There's plenty of psychotic admirals I could be taking notes for.

973
00:53:32.340 --> 00:53:34.860
Yeah, but then we have to have this scene.

974
00:53:34.920 --> 00:53:39.119
It's kind of like, well, Captain Picard. just one thing I don't understand.

975
00:53:39.179 --> 00:53:44.099
Oh, I like the point of what he's saying, but we've made the point.

976
00:53:44.159 --> 00:53:46.019
Yeah, that was what the episode was about.

977
00:53:46.139 --> 00:53:47.579
I didn't just watch that episode.

978
00:53:47.639 --> 00:53:49.679
We didn't need the moral.

979
00:53:49.800 --> 00:54:02.820
We did perhaps need to reconcile Worf and Picard after their conflict before, but we did have Worf stand up for him in the trial and that would experience what it was like to be accused.

980
00:54:03.659 --> 00:54:06.900
There's no better shot than her shrinking into the screen.

981
00:54:06.960 --> 00:54:08.219
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

982
00:54:08.219 --> 00:54:09.300
To end the episode on.

983
00:54:09.420 --> 00:54:21.480
But they never do that in Star Trek, the Next Generation. because it is very kind of, you know, there are formal rules about how an episode is constructed and it very rarely ends without a scene.

984
00:54:21.539 --> 00:54:29.940
Torture of heretics, burning of witches. in the blink of an eye, Nathan. suddenly it threatens to start all over again.

985
00:54:30.239 --> 00:54:33.420
I mean, that's when the climate's right.

986
00:54:33.480 --> 00:54:34.619
Yeah, it's beautiful.

987
00:54:34.679 --> 00:54:35.639
And you know what?

988
00:54:35.699 --> 00:54:37.619
Like, I like what he's saying.

989
00:54:37.679 --> 00:54:38.280
I don't really.

990
00:54:38.400 --> 00:54:42.480
I think the dialogue is a bit forced, but I do the point that he's making.

991
00:54:42.539 --> 00:54:44.219
It's a good point to make.

992
00:54:44.280 --> 00:54:46.860
Yes, when the circumstances are right.

993
00:54:46.920 --> 00:54:52.920
There will always be, you know, admiral satays there waiting to point the finger and take advantage of it.

994
00:54:52.980 --> 00:54:56.400
But yes, we have just seen that for 40 minutes.

995
00:54:56.460 --> 00:54:57.360
Yeah.

996
00:54:57.420 --> 00:55:10.260
And also this, like, again, because the episode has nothing to say about what went on here or how it happens or what features of the society allow this sort of behaviour to flourish.

997
00:55:10.320 --> 00:55:11.340
Do you know what I mean?

998
00:55:11.400 --> 00:55:12.239
There's nothing here.

999
00:55:12.300 --> 00:55:13.619
There's no context.

1000
00:55:13.679 --> 00:55:15.539
And so the episode doesn't have anything to say.

1001
00:55:15.599 --> 00:55:17.519
That's a shame, isn't it?

1002
00:55:17.579 --> 00:55:18.960
I did really feel that this time.

1003
00:55:19.019 --> 00:55:25.199
Do you know, he almost looks straight out the camera then and when, you know, but people like her will always be with us.

1004
00:55:25.260 --> 00:55:29.400
Keep on your guard or the Star Trek the next generation.

1005
00:55:29.639 --> 00:55:42.900
Yeah, I mean, that final scene is quite good with the 2 of them walking off, and it's very rare for us to see a shot, and trust me, I've looked of just the sets without anyone in it, and so they just get to walk out of shot.

1006
00:55:42.960 --> 00:55:45.000
From a distance, the high shot.

1007
00:55:45.059 --> 00:55:45.719
Do you know what I mean?

1008
00:55:45.780 --> 00:55:49.019
Like, I think, you know, Jonathan is a good director already.

1009
00:55:49.079 --> 00:55:54.059
And, you know, it's no surprise that he's still going strong doing Star Trek.

1010
00:55:54.119 --> 00:55:56.519
Like you said they're about the context.

1011
00:55:56.579 --> 00:56:07.920
If they didn't have an actress as strong as Gene Simmons in that central role, just making that power position so frightening, I think that would really, really affect this episode.

1012
00:56:07.980 --> 00:56:10.440
Yeah, but because she's so compelling to watch.

1013
00:56:10.500 --> 00:56:11.639
Yeah, yeah.

1014
00:56:11.699 --> 00:56:13.260
It kind of doesn't matter, you know?

1015
00:56:13.320 --> 00:56:14.400
No, no.

1016
00:56:14.460 --> 00:56:24.059
And like, I like that genre of Star Trek, the Next Generation, episode the one where there's a guy and he or she comes in and they're the focus of the episode.

1017
00:56:24.119 --> 00:56:28.679
We just get a big guest starring and concentrate on them.

1018
00:56:28.739 --> 00:56:30.900
I think that's a thing that works really well.

1019
00:56:30.960 --> 00:56:34.800
And maybe this is the best one of those because she's so magnificent.

1020
00:56:34.860 --> 00:56:41.639
I mean, honestly, Admiral Nachayev is only a few bits removed from Admiral, I say, isn't she?

1021
00:56:41.699 --> 00:56:44.039
Given the right circumstances.

1022
00:56:44.099 --> 00:56:50.099
I mean, I do wonder what they go through when they go from, what is it, captain to Admiral?

1023
00:56:50.159 --> 00:56:51.119
Is it Captain to Admiral?

1024
00:56:51.179 --> 00:56:52.619
Yeah, yeah, they turn evil.

1025
00:56:52.679 --> 00:56:56.400
Generally speaking, when we meet these people, they all are fucking bonkers.

1026
00:56:56.519 --> 00:56:57.599
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1027
00:56:57.659 --> 00:56:58.199
Yeah, yeah.

1028
00:56:58.260 --> 00:56:59.760
Mariner's dad is normal.

1029
00:56:59.820 --> 00:57:00.840
He's quite okay.

1030
00:57:00.900 --> 00:57:05.579
And Barry, despite being a shitty actor, is Barry?

1031
00:57:05.639 --> 00:57:06.539
Oh, Harry Jenner.

1032
00:57:06.539 --> 00:57:09.780
He's like, yeah, he's like sort of the daddy.

1033
00:57:09.780 --> 00:57:11.280
Yeah.

1034
00:57:11.340 --> 00:57:12.239
It's sweet.

1035
00:57:12.300 --> 00:57:13.500
We like him, you know.

1036
00:57:14.039 --> 00:57:17.699
You can imagine him smoking a pipe and drinking a beer.

1037
00:57:17.760 --> 00:57:22.079
And Admiral Paris obviously is. a weirdo too.

1038
00:57:22.199 --> 00:57:23.940
So yeah, yeah.

1039
00:57:24.059 --> 00:57:29.519
Jesus Christ, this is a great year of Star Trek generation series 4.

1040
00:57:29.699 --> 00:57:32.940
Now, there are some weak spots that like devil's due.

1041
00:57:33.000 --> 00:57:34.260
I know what you're going to say.

1042
00:57:34.320 --> 00:57:35.400
No, no, no.

1043
00:57:35.460 --> 00:57:37.619
That's kind of weeks, but that's a glorious episode.

1044
00:57:37.800 --> 00:57:42.960
Another great trial episode, too, with an impressive final scene.

1045
00:57:43.019 --> 00:57:44.699
I love that episode so much.

1046
00:57:44.760 --> 00:57:45.719
It's one of my favourites.

1047
00:57:45.780 --> 00:57:46.619
I can't wait till we do it.

1048
00:57:46.679 --> 00:57:59.099
I think I think 5 is where things start to get a little, there's still great stuff in five, but the, the, it gets a bit bland, though, and they get a bit complacent at times, but 3 and four.

1049
00:57:59.159 --> 00:58:00.659
Everything we've done in 3 and four.

1050
00:58:00.719 --> 00:58:02.099
Yeah.

1051
00:58:02.099 --> 00:58:03.420
Good grief.

1052
00:58:03.480 --> 00:58:05.760
I mean, think of some of the season one episodes we've watched.

1053
00:58:05.940 --> 00:58:09.360
How did they get from there to here in 2 years?

1054
00:58:09.420 --> 00:58:10.559
It's amazing.

1055
00:58:10.559 --> 00:58:11.340
Oh, that's right.

1056
00:58:11.400 --> 00:58:12.420
Michael Pillar.

1057
00:58:12.480 --> 00:58:13.320
Michael Pillar.

1058
00:58:13.380 --> 00:58:19.860
But, you know, let's props to Jerry Taylor too, who knew that it was all about the characters here and absolutely focussed on them.

1059
00:58:19.920 --> 00:58:21.300
It wasn't just the trial.

1060
00:58:21.360 --> 00:58:27.000
It was Simon, it was her, and it was Saban, and it was Worf being deceived, and all of that sort of stuff.

1061
00:58:27.059 --> 00:58:29.940
And I think that's a pretty good episode.

1062
00:58:29.940 --> 00:58:34.139
And it's got to be an early episode for her and she really killed it, I think.

1063
00:58:34.199 --> 00:58:41.460
And of course, props to Gene Simmons, who walked into this sort of we're not going about one a month show.

1064
00:58:42.539 --> 00:58:49.860
Spouting Techna Battle and delivering one of the most memorable come down scenes ever.

1065
00:58:49.920 --> 00:59:00.719
I mean, I've got to say, I did come into this episode just watching it thinking, you know, maybe I'm really going to hate this and I'll get a chance to say, you know, I've brought down better episodes than you, the drumhead.

1066
00:59:00.780 --> 00:59:04.500
But unfortunately, I've had to say that in jest.

1067
00:59:04.559 --> 00:59:05.699
It is wonderful.

1068
00:59:12.480 --> 00:59:18.239
All right, it's the end of the episode and it's time for us to work out where we're going next.

1069
00:59:18.300 --> 00:59:24.659
We've long been promising, I think, an episode of Star Trek, the original series.

1070
00:59:24.719 --> 00:59:29.820
It's been a while since we did one, and so that's what's on the menu for next week.

1071
00:59:29.880 --> 00:59:31.500
It's my turn to choose.

1072
00:59:31.559 --> 00:59:35.519
Last time, Joe, you made the excellent choice of the drumhead.

1073
00:59:35.579 --> 00:59:39.960
And so I'm going to see how I go with the original series.

1074
00:59:40.019 --> 00:59:52.559
I'm going to apologise, like, because obviously, I'm the reason why we keep going back to 90s trek, but, yeah, just to explain that we did learning curve and the neutral zone on the bout.

1075
00:59:52.619 --> 00:59:58.800
So I obviously I needed some kind of a reminder as to why 90s trek was worth watching for all of those years.

1076
00:59:58.860 --> 01:00:04.260
Then we did, you are quarterly invited, countdown, and the drumhead back to back.

1077
01:00:04.320 --> 01:00:08.400
So by faith is restored, let's go to the original series.

1078
01:00:08.460 --> 01:00:10.559
All right, that's a brilliant plan.

1079
01:00:10.619 --> 01:00:11.099
Okay.

1080
01:00:11.159 --> 01:00:13.559
I will press the button in that case.

1081
01:00:14.579 --> 01:00:22.739
Your random Star Trek, the original series episode is errand of mercy, season one, episode 26.

1082
01:00:23.820 --> 01:00:34.260
I don't know this one at all, but I do know that it's terribly famous and it's, um, it does have one of the Klingons in it.

1083
01:00:34.320 --> 01:00:40.380
One of the sort of 3 main Klingons who later turn up in Deep Space 9.

1084
01:00:40.440 --> 01:00:45.480
This time it's core and we're heading to the planet Organia, the Treaty of Organia.

1085
01:00:45.539 --> 01:00:50.340
So it's a bit of a big one, a famous one, but I don't know it very well.

1086
01:00:50.820 --> 01:00:53.099
I don't know it either.

1087
01:00:53.159 --> 01:00:55.679
And we did press the button last time I'd do the 1st one.

1088
01:00:55.739 --> 01:00:56.340
Press it again.

1089
01:00:56.460 --> 01:00:57.360
Okay, all right.

1090
01:00:57.480 --> 01:00:59.280
Plus, you know, Klingon episodes.

1091
01:00:59.340 --> 01:01:00.599
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1092
01:01:01.559 --> 01:01:03.119
All right.

1093
01:01:04.440 --> 01:01:08.099
Okay I think this is a terribly boring one.

1094
01:01:08.219 --> 01:01:15.719
It's Star Trek, the original series, season two, episode two, who mourns for Adonise.

1095
01:01:15.840 --> 01:01:17.820
Oh, what's that about?

1096
01:01:17.880 --> 01:01:22.019
It's a giant god is Apollo, I think.

1097
01:01:22.559 --> 01:01:29.639
Oh, yeah, the giant... who kind of monsters everyone and scares the hell out of everyone.

1098
01:01:29.699 --> 01:01:33.239
Oh, I mean, that could be fun, but...

1099
01:01:33.239 --> 01:01:34.320
It could be fun.

1100
01:01:34.380 --> 01:01:39.480
Let's try another one I think we should we should try and get something really juicy, you know, going back to TOS.

1101
01:01:39.539 --> 01:01:40.139
All right.

1102
01:01:41.699 --> 01:01:46.079
Okay, it's season three, episode 12, the empath.

1103
01:01:46.199 --> 01:01:48.119
I don't know any of these episodes.

1104
01:01:48.239 --> 01:01:49.920
Am I even a Star Trek fan?

1105
01:01:49.980 --> 01:01:55.260
Well, I have seen who mourns for Adonise, to be fair. and it's a bit boring.

1106
01:01:55.920 --> 01:01:57.480
Listen to this.

1107
01:01:57.539 --> 01:02:02.880
Listen to how mid this sounds, attempting to determine the whereabouts of omitting research colony.

1108
01:02:02.940 --> 01:02:09.599
Kirk Spock and McCoy, of course, suddenly find themselves the pawns in a deadly alien experiment.

1109
01:02:09.659 --> 01:02:15.659
See, the trouble is that I could theorise about what this is going to be like, and given that it's in series 3.

1110
01:02:16.440 --> 01:02:23.760
It might be just one of the ones where we stand around while powerful aliens kind of torment everyone until we get sick of it and then leave.

1111
01:02:23.820 --> 01:02:28.440
I mean, Jamma gives us 3.5 stars out of four.

1112
01:02:28.500 --> 01:02:31.139
And he's very hard on season three. he?

1113
01:02:31.199 --> 01:02:36.599
Yeah. starts it by saying a little money can go a long way.

1114
01:02:36.659 --> 01:02:38.039
Right.

1115
01:02:38.099 --> 01:02:39.960
And it probably did cost a little money.

1116
01:02:40.500 --> 01:02:41.940
Yes.

1117
01:02:42.840 --> 01:02:45.119
I don't know it at all.

1118
01:02:45.179 --> 01:02:47.519
I'm prepared to give it a go. do you think?

1119
01:02:47.579 --> 01:02:48.480
I think we should.

1120
01:02:48.539 --> 01:02:51.780
I think let's go in completely blind with 0 expectations.

1121
01:02:51.840 --> 01:02:52.800
All right, no worries.

1122
01:02:52.860 --> 01:02:57.119
The only expectation we'll have is that Jamma really liked it, so we probably won't.

1123
01:02:57.239 --> 01:02:58.079
Probably be terrible.

1124
01:02:58.139 --> 01:03:11.039
So the thing is, the thing that I can't help thinking is there are lots of people listening to us right now going, why the hell do you have a Star Trek podcast if you don't know the very basics of what happens in the empath?

1125
01:03:11.099 --> 01:03:17.400
And maybe they're kind of shaking their heads going, 0 my god, those poor bastards they don't know what they're in for.

1126
01:03:18.420 --> 01:03:20.579
So, yeah.

1127
01:03:20.639 --> 01:03:22.440
Anyway, we'll see what happens.

1128
01:03:22.500 --> 01:03:24.900
Yeah, let's give it a go. lets give it a go.

1129
01:03:24.960 --> 01:03:25.440
Okay.

1130
01:03:31.980 --> 01:03:44.699
You've been listening to entitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford and Nathan Bottomley, where online at untitled Star Trek Project.com, where you can find subscription links and links to our social media accounts.

1131
01:03:44.760 --> 01:03:50.219
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Ciceran, and the theme was composed by Cameron Lamb.

1132
01:03:50.280 --> 01:03:56.460
This episode was recorded on the 29th of April 2025 and released on the 2nd of May.

1133
01:03:56.519 --> 01:04:01.619
We'll see you next time for Star Trek, the original series, The Empath.

1134
01:04:16.739 --> 01:04:19.320
Are you watching Andor?

1135
01:04:19.500 --> 01:04:21.119
Nah.

1136
01:04:21.179 --> 01:04:22.380
Did you watch it at all?

1137
01:04:22.500 --> 01:04:24.179
No, I haven't seen any of it.

1138
01:04:24.239 --> 01:04:24.960
Are you interested?

1139
01:04:25.019 --> 01:04:32.400
I probably will get round to it because I've sort of been exploring some of that stuff, but see, like you've watched...

1140
01:04:32.400 --> 01:04:36.179
We're doing a layer one and you've watched the one and the stuff, haven't you?

1141
01:04:36.239 --> 01:04:37.019
We watched other ones.

1142
01:04:37.079 --> 01:04:39.420
Well, we got halfway through.

1143
01:04:39.480 --> 01:04:41.760
We got halfway through Obi-Wan.

1144
01:04:41.820 --> 01:04:47.460
And then we were enjoying it, but we just didn't watch anymore because other things, like several things came up.

1145
01:04:47.519 --> 01:04:48.360
Yeah, yeah.

1146
01:04:48.420 --> 01:04:55.079
Because like I've just watched the 1st 3 episodes of series 2 and I loved series one.

1147
01:04:55.139 --> 01:05:07.920
Like, I think, like, I think it's the best Star Wars, you know, and series one has an attack on a like the rebel attack on a Federation, a Federation.

1148
01:05:07.980 --> 01:05:09.840
It's not Star Trek.

1149
01:05:09.900 --> 01:05:11.400
It's not Blake 7.

1150
01:05:11.460 --> 01:05:16.980
As a rebel attack on an imperial base, but the base is basically a dam across a valley.

1151
01:05:17.039 --> 01:05:18.239
So it's a real place.

1152
01:05:18.300 --> 01:05:20.039
It's not a space thing.

1153
01:05:20.039 --> 01:05:25.380
And there's something about, there's something about just the reality of it.

1154
01:05:25.440 --> 01:05:26.699
It's really real.

1155
01:05:26.760 --> 01:05:37.559
It's like Correscent, you know, some of the characters live on Correscent, and Correscent looks like it's sort of Art Deco skyscrapers made of concrete.

1156
01:05:37.619 --> 01:05:39.900
Like they feel real.

1157
01:05:39.960 --> 01:05:44.820
And like the main characters include, you know, you saw Rogue one, didn't you, or did you?

1158
01:05:44.880 --> 01:05:46.019
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1159
01:05:46.079 --> 01:05:57.059
So, you know, Mon Motha in Rogue one, that, you know, who's obviously the woman who says many Bothans died to give us this information in, in, in Return of the Jedi?

1160
01:05:57.119 --> 01:06:08.760
She is a major character in this and she's a senator and she's funnelling money here to different places to kind of fund the development of the rebellion.

1161
01:06:08.820 --> 01:06:13.019
It's sort of set 5 years before the Battle of Yavin.

1162
01:06:13.019 --> 01:06:15.480
And she is fucking great.

1163
01:06:15.599 --> 01:06:16.920
She's so good.

1164
01:06:16.980 --> 01:06:18.719
She's like the best thing about it.

1165
01:06:18.780 --> 01:06:31.380
And then there's, then there's a kind of subplot with people who work for the Empire's intelligence agency, and there's a woman there called Dedra, something or other, like Deirdre.

1166
01:06:31.440 --> 01:06:38.880
Uh, and she's like absolutely brutal and fabulous, and she has this barn and sort of blonde hair and things.

1167
01:06:38.940 --> 01:06:50.280
And like there's the, all of these sort of real kind of, it's got real politics and stuff happening in it. and it, it, it, like, it's, The 2nd series is good?

1168
01:06:50.340 --> 01:06:51.900
The 2nd series is really great.

1169
01:06:51.960 --> 01:06:53.940
So they dropped 3 episodes at a time.

1170
01:06:54.000 --> 01:06:58.559
And like the worlds that are creator really real, like they feel really good.

1171
01:06:58.619 --> 01:07:08.340
There's a planet called ferrics, which is all made of bricks and there's mining and stuff there and the buildings are really great and you get a real sense of it.

1172
01:07:08.400 --> 01:07:10.860
And Fiona Shaw, you know, Fiona Shaw.

1173
01:07:11.219 --> 01:07:14.460
She's an English Irish actor, I think.

1174
01:07:14.519 --> 01:07:22.440
She's fucking incredible and she plays like Cassian's mother and she's amazing and and like there's all this music, like the music is incredible.

1175
01:07:22.500 --> 01:07:26.699
The whole production is really great. and I don't give a shit. much better than all the others then.

1176
01:07:26.760 --> 01:07:30.300
Because, you know, like the others, you sort of don't...

1177
01:07:30.300 --> 01:07:30.960
You can take or leave.

1178
01:07:31.019 --> 01:07:31.739
Yeah.

1179
01:07:31.739 --> 01:07:32.940
I don't really give a shit about that.

1180
01:07:33.000 --> 01:07:41.820
I like the Mandalorian, like the beginning of the Mandalorian because it was really light on kind of law.

1181
01:07:41.880 --> 01:07:42.840
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1182
01:07:42.900 --> 01:07:49.559
Like it wasn't, and then they started to fill it with characters from the clone Wars, and I stopped giving a shit, you know, like, I don't, well, like whatever.

1183
01:07:49.619 --> 01:07:52.139
Um, and but this...

1184
01:07:52.139 --> 01:07:59.639
Like, no, I wasn't that impressed by Cassian Andor in Rogue One, you know, like he just, I don't care, like whatever.

1185
01:07:59.699 --> 01:08:01.440
He didn't seem very interesting.

1186
01:08:01.500 --> 01:08:03.539
But this is good.

1187
01:08:03.599 --> 01:08:13.559
It's by the people who wrote Rogue One, but it's like got an expanded canvas and it's properly political and properly kind of grown up and it just looks incredible.

1188
01:08:13.619 --> 01:08:15.239
It looks amazingly great.

1189
01:08:15.300 --> 01:08:16.380
I did not wrote one a lot.

1190
01:08:16.500 --> 01:08:21.060
I thought that was the best of those...

1191
01:08:21.119 --> 01:08:28.500
Yeah, I mean, it didn't do it for me just because I just sort of thought there's a lot of plugging fucking wires in and why can't you all just get dropbox.

1192
01:08:28.560 --> 01:08:29.760
You know what I mean?

1193
01:08:29.760 --> 01:08:34.380
Like here on the planet Scariff plugging in wires while under fire and stuff.

1194
01:08:34.439 --> 01:08:42.000
Um, and, you know, like there's a thing where it's just like, oh, we're going to kill a major characters that's so edgy and it's like, oh, okay, right, whatever.

1195
01:08:42.060 --> 01:08:45.300
But this is really properly good.

1196
01:08:45.359 --> 01:08:48.000
It's absolutely worth it.

1197
01:08:48.060 --> 01:08:49.079
It's one of my favourite things.

1198
01:08:49.140 --> 01:08:58.439
And I was so excited it came back and I just watched all 3 of the episodes that dropped in one go and really, really enjoyed it.

1199
01:08:58.979 --> 01:09:05.939
We're, um, we're, literally halfway through the run of Jesus, Worcester at the moment.

1200
01:09:06.060 --> 01:09:11.699
I really want you to watch Jason Woolstar. you'll love it Oh, I so fun.

1201
01:09:11.819 --> 01:09:13.199
I can't remember Latara.

1202
01:09:13.260 --> 01:09:16.920
I laughed out loud so much at TV in ages.

1203
01:09:16.979 --> 01:09:24.659
That, that crazy fast that they do is just, and, uh, Hugh Laurie, as...

1204
01:09:24.659 --> 01:09:25.920
It's perfect.

1205
01:09:25.979 --> 01:09:31.140
So I'd read Jeeves and Worcester stories and there'd be like Rumpole stories or Sherlock Holmes stories or something like that.

1206
01:09:31.199 --> 01:09:31.859
Do you know what I mean?

1207
01:09:31.920 --> 01:09:36.720
Where there's a kind of genre and that happens over and over again and the expected things happen and there are lots and lots of them.

1208
01:09:36.779 --> 01:09:49.140
And there'll be a book which has a bunch of them in it, and they'll be kind of loosely related to one another, and almost all of them involve Jeeves giving him some advice, him ignoring the advice and getting into trouble.

1209
01:09:49.260 --> 01:09:57.000
And then Jeeves, saving the trouble by humiliating him, though, in the process.

1210
01:09:57.000 --> 01:10:00.899
Like, it's by in some way humiliating him.

1211
01:10:00.899 --> 01:10:03.359
And I just think that, like, they're really funny.

1212
01:10:03.359 --> 01:10:08.100
And the, the, the language of the books that, like, is really funny as well.

1213
01:10:08.159 --> 01:10:09.659
The guy was, yeah.

1214
01:10:09.720 --> 01:10:10.199
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1215
01:10:10.319 --> 01:10:12.300
But they've put money into it as well.

1216
01:10:12.359 --> 01:10:16.260
So they've made it like there's a 2 par that's sitting in the house of Downton Abbey.

1217
01:10:16.380 --> 01:10:18.420
It looks like a bloody feature film.

1218
01:10:18.479 --> 01:10:19.439
It looks gorgeous.

1219
01:10:19.500 --> 01:10:20.220
Even now.

1220
01:10:20.279 --> 01:10:32.640
And like at the start of series three, I thought, oh, fuck, they've gone off the boil because they go across to New York. for 3 episodes, but it's New York as filmed in London.

1221
01:10:32.699 --> 01:10:38.579
I'm so trying desperately hard to convince you that it's New York, but there's no long shots of New York, you know?

1222
01:10:39.720 --> 01:10:48.779
And the, even though the comedy was already fairly broad at times, it just went into like slapstick.

1223
01:10:48.779 --> 01:10:57.840
And it had not, you know, Aunt Agatha was propelled across a theatre by a fire hydrant and things like this.

1224
01:10:57.899 --> 01:10:59.039
And I'm going, what's happening?

1225
01:10:59.100 --> 01:11:02.579
it's just absurd And then halfway through that series.

1226
01:11:02.640 --> 01:11:04.500
I obviously decided, oh, this ain't working out.

1227
01:11:04.560 --> 01:11:07.020
Let's go back to England. is where we do our best work.

1228
01:11:07.140 --> 01:11:10.560
And they hit with, and it's from one of the books.

1229
01:11:10.619 --> 01:11:12.359
The best.

1230
01:11:12.420 --> 01:11:19.020
Oh, man, it's literally um, Worcester and one of his friends.

1231
01:11:19.079 --> 01:11:20.819
I forget one of his crazy friends.

1232
01:11:20.880 --> 01:11:45.899
And they're both playing each other in a country house with 5 crazy old aunts living there, all played by brilliant, all English, character actresses, and Chloe Annette, who is supposed to be a romancing Worcester, but because Worcester is being is playing somebody else.

1233
01:11:45.960 --> 01:11:46.979
The whole thing.

1234
01:11:47.039 --> 01:11:50.520
It was just mental and it was so perfectly plotted.

1235
01:11:50.579 --> 01:11:56.579
And you were just waiting for the inevitable throughout the whole episode where the art was going to turn up and blow everything.

1236
01:11:56.640 --> 01:11:59.460
It was sublimely good.

1237
01:11:59.520 --> 01:12:01.859
And clearly...

1238
01:12:01.920 --> 01:12:03.960
Oh, hilariously.

1239
01:12:04.020 --> 01:12:04.979
Oh, she got good.

1240
01:12:05.039 --> 01:12:09.840
She plays this very ice cold, you know, I will never marry him.

1241
01:12:10.380 --> 01:12:14.279
But you've got um, not Sandra Dickinson.

1242
01:12:14.340 --> 01:12:15.659
Peter Davidson's 2nd wife.

1243
01:12:15.659 --> 01:12:17.939
Oh, okay. as Madeline.

1244
01:12:18.000 --> 01:12:20.699
You know, the blonde one with the with the lip.

1245
01:12:20.819 --> 01:12:24.300
Mercy, he's just he's so hopelessly in love with me.

1246
01:12:24.359 --> 01:12:26.819
I can't know where she's jumped.

1247
01:12:27.239 --> 01:12:42.060
He's in her house and he's trying to. trying to steal a letter that says he wants to marry her before she reads it and leaves behind the sofa and she thinks he's a robber and she's literally got this massive fucking pistol and she...

1248
01:12:42.600 --> 01:12:45.300
Oh, it's just wonderful.

1249
01:12:45.359 --> 01:12:47.699
Man, they don't make TV like that anymore.

1250
01:12:48.899 --> 01:12:50.640
It's good fun.

1251
01:12:50.699 --> 01:12:51.779
Good fun.

1252
01:12:52.020 --> 01:12:54.060
I reckon that'll do.

1253
01:12:54.119 --> 01:12:55.979
I'll tell you.

1254
01:12:56.039 --> 01:12:57.239
Oh, we still doing the taggle.

1255
01:12:57.359 --> 01:12:57.899
Oh yeah, of course.

1256
01:12:57.960 --> 01:12:59.100
Oh, there you go.

1257
01:12:59.100 --> 01:13:01.319
We've gone We've gone from...

1258
01:13:01.380 --> 01:13:03.659
Star Wars to James and Wooster. perfect.

1259
01:13:04.140 --> 01:13:05.640
There we go.