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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So, we're back aboard Enterprise with Countdown Series 3, Episode

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23, and I have to confess that I am starting to enjoy it quite a

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bit.

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I'm so sorry for you.

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I don't think this is a good episode of Star Trek, but I didn't

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hate it, and I certainly kind of enjoyed it.

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I think it's got heaps of flaws and stuff, but things happen and

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it looks pretty in places.

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And there's one or 2 scenes that I think are quite good.

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But, uh, it's a lot of stuff happening and not very much comes of

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it and none of the things happening seem to happen to anyone and

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that's kind of a problem.

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It's a lot of talk about, you know, are the anomalies forming?

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Has the weapon been supercharged?

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What does any of this mean?

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There was some techna babble somewhere in the middle of the

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episode and I was so lost with what they were talking about.

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Maybe I needed to have watched the whole season. to understand the

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true nuance of all the Tekno Babble.

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My biggest issue with this, which I quite enjoyed this for the

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most part, mostly because I thought they were reaching for some

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visual ambition, and in a lot of cases, they got there.

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There's a few cases where they can't, but there's some money on

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the screen in this episode and they're they're pulling off visual

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effects in not just the standard Star Trek way of lots of

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spaceships.

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They're trying different kind of aliens as well.

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There's action on the screen.

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There's some good physical effects and all that.

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The thing I miss most, and I sort of sent you a message about this

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is the humour, man, these people are so serious.

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Like, I know, geez, I know the planet Earth may be destroyed by

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this galactic superweapon of the Zindy.

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But fuck me.

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Like, everybody sits around in rooms very earnestly declaring just

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how terrible things are all the time.

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And what I miss is that sort of sardonic wit that you get in

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latter-day DS9 or the sort of camp humour of Wayon and Damar and

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stuff like that.

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Even the aliens in this, what are the big reptilians?

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I mean, they're just like, I mean, they're camping one way, but

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only because they are take themselves so seriously.

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You can't really get a joke out of, you know, the swimming

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tortoises that go about.

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And the weird insects, because you can't really understand what

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those clicky wiki noises that they're making are.

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And the Zindi themselves are incredibly serious too.

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So, yeah, there's not a lot of laughs here, is there?

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I'm like, right, we're trying to save the world, but if it's going

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to be populated with people like you, I don't know why we're

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bothering.

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I think part of the problem is that they don't want to do humour

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and they aren't funny and they can't relax.

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Why?

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And so I don't know.

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I know.

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But the other thing is, you can see them kind of trying to ape

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late Deep Space 9 with having a range of different aliens in a

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sort of big enemy conglomerate.

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But, like, think about it.

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Youve got Rick Worthy with a fucking latex sack on his head, that

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beautiful man with that just absurd fucking mask with the teeth

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and all of that.

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And he's the only one who's got a name.

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Oh, I think the main Zindy reptilian is called Dolum.

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And Rick Worthy's character has a name, his Janar, apparently, but

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Tucker Smallwood.

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Dolum and Janai.

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I know.

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Space names.

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And Tucker Smallwood, who is the Zindi Primate Counsellor.

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He had to resort to making up his own name because he didn't get

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one kind of in the show.

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And then you've got sort of poundland female shapeshifter there.

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And, you know, like, it's all just trying to be that, but what it

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misses is just the fun interactions between those characters

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relationships.

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Yeah, I think we'll go on about all the time on DS9 is that it's a

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massive soap.

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This is all of that without the soap.

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No, that's exactly right.

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And you, you know, you've given Tripp a real investment in this

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but he doesn't do anything other than his job.

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And with the exception of one scene with Tapole.

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Oh, there's another scene as well.

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There's a couple of scenes.

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I mean, like, I think, you know, because you've got Trip and

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you've got, like, like Connor and Jolene are the best 2 actors on

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the show.

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Billingsley as well.

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Putting them together was a sadly very, wasn't it?

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And that the scene with the 2 of them, I think, is the absolute

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highlight of the show.

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Just because Jolene finds things to do with this shitty dialogue.

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She's much, much better than she needs to be.

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And I think much better than most people realise she's really

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thoughtful, I think.

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And she does a really great job.

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There's lots of sound and noise and things.

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We start chasing the ball to earth.

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It's on its way to earth and we're chasing it.

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At the end of the episode.

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We're still chasing it. you know what I mean?

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Like, like, not a great deal has happened.

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That's basically the last 3 episodes, isn't it?

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You watched the last one.

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They spend quite a bit of time changing that form with that one as

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well, don't they?

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I did actually watch the last one and was absolutely baffled.

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I'd forgotten that Stormfront parts one and two, start series

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nine.

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So we don't even get to see them go back to earth in triumph, which

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I just think is bafflingly stupid.

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Oh, I can remember...

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I'm watching us through this for 24 episodes.

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Why aren't you showing us the consequences?

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The relief.

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You know, we do get there with home in series four.

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But we have to get through all that weird stuff with the Nazis

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first.

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The one I remember about 0 hour is Captain Archer standing on that

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ball with dreadful CGI behind him fighting the Cindy Man.

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Is it as bad as I remember?

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Like, I thought it was pretty great.

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Like I had fun watching the 2 episodes in order, I have to say.

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Like, it was a big kind of dumb action thing.

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It was pretty enjoyable.

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It looked great in places that looked cheesy as hell in places.

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All of the things that we want from Star Trek.

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But it doesn't really have a heart.

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It doesn't seem to ever be happening to anyone.

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Beyond the fact that sort of those latter-day DS9 arcs had the

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relationships that have been established and so all of that

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character stuff like pays off in those arcs in brilliant ways.

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It's also got the political landscape of the Alpha Quadrant, which

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we have been adding detail to since the early days of TNG.

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So when the pieces are manoeuvred, it all means something, you

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know, we understand what it means.

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We understand those races.

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What the hell, the Cindy man, like, I don't understand really how

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this thing is structured.

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I don't really understand how these creatures all came together.

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I don't really understand why they're trying to destroy the

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earth.

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So all of it's a bit ambiguous.

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Well, I have to say, though, that one thing that this season does

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well is that the kind of overall structure of the arc is pretty

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good in that we do learn why there's India doing what they're

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doing.

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And we do learn where the Delphic expanse comes from and how it

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comes to be.

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It's quite complicated, though, isn't it?

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That something in the future happens, which means they come back

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to the past, very Star Trek.

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I think it might be proving ground.

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It's certainly in one of the episodes that we've done, where

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Daniels takes Archer into the future.

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I remember the Enterprise J.

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And it was in a big corridor, weren't they?

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Yeah, and watching a space battle.

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Yeah, it looked really good.

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And so the idea was that the Federation was going to defeat the

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Zindi who were going to attack.

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And so what the Zindi did was they persuade.

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No, the, the, yeah, no, wait.

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The Federation was going to...

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The Federation was going to defeat the sound too sure, Nathan.

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Yeah, now I don't know.

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I think the Federation was going to put a stop to the sphere

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builders.

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And so the sphere builders convinced the Zindi that Earth was

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going to attack them so as to destroy the Federation in the past

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so that they could go on and continue terraforming the galaxy

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which is what the Delphic expanse is.

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So the Delphic expanse is generated by the spheres.

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And so when you see them creating the anomalies, you know, they're

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creating the anomalies, they've caused all of the weirdness that

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happened at the beginning of series 3.

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And I thought all of that kind of fits together well and we

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discover it in some kind of order throughout the season.

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I, like, I don't think they do a bad job of that.

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Not quite sure how to feel about any of that, though.

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How am I supposed to like have an emotional reaction to any of

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that?

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Whereas, you know, like the very simple idea of, oh, once upon a

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time, the changing were hunted throughout the universe, and so as

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a result, they've built up a power base and they are going to

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control the entire universe, so it never happens again.

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Nice and simple.

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Absolutely relatable.

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But I mean, I think Star Trek can afford to be a little bit more

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complicated, but the problem is, and and like, again, they don't

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have the years that Deep Space 9 had to build up the Dominion

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organically.

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Like they just had to say, all right, we want lots of different

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aliens in this thing.

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We'll just make them up and just dump them in the show as is.

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And that was the only alternative that they had.

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But what they didn't ever do was create interesting characters.

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And I just think it's telling that you've got Degra, who is

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reasonably interesting.

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The most interesting of all of the characters this year.

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And he's just died, the previous episode.

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Unfortunately, isn't it?

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Yeah.

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And so all we have is Rick Worthy and Tucker Smallwood.

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And neither of them have names.

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They're great actors, but none of them have any characteristics as

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characters.

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I don't know what they're like.

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Anything about them, you know.

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If they looked at the script, sort of, together for a go. does all

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this mean?

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Just sell it.

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Just sell it, all right?

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Just Star Trek, it'll be fine.

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I have to sell that episode of the Exiles home.

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All right.

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Just sell it.

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So anyway, look, I think it's fun.

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It's sort of fairly dumb, but it's kind of fine.

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The one thing I truly appreciate about this season is that on

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every level they're trying to be more ambitious than they were

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before.

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Yeah.

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In terms of how they're plotting out a year.

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In terms of what they're doing with their regular characters

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because they give trip and to Paul and Archer, you know, they put

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them in a lot of extreme situations, it is mostly just the

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Trinity.

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Although Hoshi gets something to do this week, I was quite pleased

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to see for once, just get tortured mostly, but something. should

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take anything.

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And absolutely visually.

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They have raised their game and then some because the shit they

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were putting out in one and two.

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I like, but just like on the page as well.

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Do you remember like Strange New World?

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We were going to a planet.

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That's it.

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Yeah, that's the big official hook.

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We've been doing that for 15 fucking seasons, for God's sakes. you

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know.

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Now they're like, no, we're going to go underwater and we're going

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to go into Delphic realms with huge super weapons being built and

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things like.

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Like they're really, really raised their game.

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The sad thing is it's too little too late.

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I think maybe if Enterprise had started on this note.

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It might have had a few more years left in it.

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I don't know.

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I don't know.

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I mean, I've made the point before that in order to do it, they

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had to jettison Star Trek, and that's a problem, and it's almost

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acknowledged actually in this episode where Archer says it will be

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nice to get back to our actual mission, after all this is over, and

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I was thinking, yes, that would be nice.

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And it turns out it is, do you know what I mean?

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Because it manages to retain the serialised storytelling.

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It changes the characters and gives them things to do and new

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things to do.

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It just feels a bit more epic because the status quo keeps

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changing in series 4.

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And learning, aren't they?

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They're definitely learning.

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I just, I wonder if there's enough story here for a 26 episode

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season.

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I wonder if this would sit better today in our sort of 10 to 12

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episode seasons where you could tell a really tight version of the

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Zindi Arc.

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Imagine how good it would look today as well.

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Well, I mean, I think there's something, you know, there's a

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parallel between that and series 4 of Discovery, isn't there, where

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there's a giant superweapon that's destroyed a planet, and then we

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have to go and find the people who did it and try and communicate

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with them.

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And of course, it's not we try and blow the shit out of them

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because it's still Star Trek.

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They're not going to jettison Star Trek.

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But it is very similar and it's serialised and it works incredibly

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well.

283
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Oh, they're not just tearing chunks out of planets in that.

284
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They're destroying entire world.

285
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

286
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They do have the stakes.

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Well, I suppose we should go and watch this thing and see just how

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exciting the anomalies and the super weapons are.

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They're pretty exciting.

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All right.

291
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Oh, not the design of it, that big ball.

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It's great.

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All right.

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I am going to get us in then in that case. 5, 4, 3, 2, one, and

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we're off.

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Previously on Enterprise.

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Yeah.

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Now, I didn't know half of this, but it is pretty exciting.

299
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So here's Degra.

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The shuttle pod looks really great.

301
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Oh yeah.

302
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So the Maco thing gets Mako. that seems to be how Malcolm

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pronounces it.

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The Makos get...

305
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Oh, can we talk about Malcolm Reed later, please?

306
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Yeah, I think that that scene is actually pretty good, but I think

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the problem is that maybe he's not all that good.

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He's not good at all.

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I feel like that could be quite moving.

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Oh, look, there is that enormous thing.

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I know, it looks amazing, doesn't it?

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It is great design.

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Yeah. less amazing though.

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However, oh, there's indie...

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Insectoids.

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Terrible.

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I feel so sorry for Scott McDonald in that hideous costume

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surrounding all that by all that wire.

319
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Oh, the, um, no, he's the reptilian.

320
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Yeah, it's called the time.

321
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I think he got takes.

322
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Emarks about 8.2 on the Beaumarian scale.

323
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Yeah, I actually don't think they're that terrible.

324
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Like, it's a fairly detailed mask and they've made it...

325
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Oh, but they look...

326
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But that's so silly.

327
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That's not bad.

328
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Why is that bad?

329
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You know.

330
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Oh my god.

331
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Linda Parks opened his script up.

332
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What?

333
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I get the 1st scene.

334
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I get the 1st second.

335
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I am unconscious though.

336
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Oh, no, here she is.

337
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So she was beamed off the Enterprise Bridge at the end of the last

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episode. which was called the Council.

339
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The council.

340
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Oh, God.

341
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Oh, that's him, finally.

342
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I need to work on these titles, though, don't they?

343
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

344
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Do you not remember the heady days of Wrongs Darker than Death and

345
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Knights?

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Before the world is hollow and I have touched the sky.

347
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In the pale moonlight.

348
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So this guy has been in it quite a lot.

349
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Hasn't he?

350
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Like, so Scott McDonald, we know him from something else?

351
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Yes.

352
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Oh, good grief.

353
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You absolutely thought he was incredibly good in rocks and

354
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shoals.

355
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He was the head Gemadar.

356
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Oh, okay.

357
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All right.

358
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So he's used to latex.

359
00:16:05.159 --> 00:16:08.279
Well, yeah, but he gave, he got some decent material on that.

360
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He gave a wonderful performance.

361
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He was also Tosk in their 1st season.

362
00:16:13.320 --> 00:16:14.639
Yeah, so getting captive pursues.

363
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Brilliant.

364
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I feel like he's just getting stupider as he goes along.

365
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Really?

366
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I think that's really exciting.

367
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I have to say that this is unpleasant to watch. and kind of

368
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horrible.

369
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Do you know what I mean?

370
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Like, this is sort of hard.

371
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We cut to her later on when they rescue her.

372
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She's really bruised and beaten.

373
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

374
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And then you've got, like to the point where, you know, Archer

375
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still is dragging her around, you know, from place to place, even

376
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though she's recuperating in hospital and stuff.

377
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So it is pretty nasty in the scene where she kind of goes to throw

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herself down into the thing so that she, like there's one moment

379
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which I think is really great, which is not a Hoshi acting moment

380
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like it's not Linda getting to act, but it's when Dolum discovers

381
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that instead of decoding the 3 codes, she's added an additional

382
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encryption layer, which I just thought was really great.

383
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Like, that just shows how awesome Ho she is.

384
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But it wasn't Linda Park getting to be awesome, which was a shame

385
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because she's mostly unconscious or hypnotised for this.

386
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And it is annoying because usually when they give her something to

387
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do.

388
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She's good.

389
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She's a good actress.

390
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Do you not think they could have beefed up this music for series

391
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three?

392
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you know, trying to do this sort of macho arc.

393
00:17:28.319 --> 00:17:30.000
They could have done a rock version of the theme tune.

394
00:17:30.119 --> 00:17:31.559
They do beef it up though.

395
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I think it is a little bit It's a little bit like the way that the

396
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Deep Space 9 theme gets beefed up in series four.

397
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They do.

398
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Not as much as they beef it up in that alternative universe

399
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episode.

400
00:17:42.240 --> 00:17:43.799
No, that's true.

401
00:17:43.859 --> 00:17:45.059
Oh, that is true.

402
00:17:45.420 --> 00:17:49.200
I just fancy, imagine like kiss singing this song, you know

403
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something like that.

404
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That's what I'm thinking.

405
00:17:50.700 --> 00:17:53.700
No, I still like the dad core middle of the road.

406
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Oh, God. love it.

407
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It's just so strange to go from all this action to that song.

408
00:18:01.140 --> 00:18:01.799
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

409
00:18:01.859 --> 00:18:03.900
It's a bit jarring, isn't it?

410
00:18:03.960 --> 00:18:06.119
See this looks great, doesn't it?

411
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And of course, they've been able to trash the enterprise for the

412
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1st time over a series of episodes, the main ship of a Star Trek

413
00:18:14.700 --> 00:18:16.500
show has been distressed, you know.

414
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That might be the best thing they do.

415
00:18:19.319 --> 00:18:20.339
Yeah.

416
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Because we watched it getting pummelled, but then there's a

417
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wonderful episode afterwards where every scene, you could see

418
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sparks flying as they're trying to weld bits of it together.

419
00:18:30.599 --> 00:18:31.799
It's great, isn't it?

420
00:18:31.859 --> 00:18:34.680
They truly want to convince it, it's sort of dire straits.

421
00:18:34.740 --> 00:18:39.000
So this is Stephen Culp, is that right?

422
00:18:39.119 --> 00:18:42.900
And he is in everything, I think.

423
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He does lots of sort of genre stuff and he's properly good, I

424
00:18:47.099 --> 00:18:48.180
think, in this.

425
00:18:48.240 --> 00:18:49.319
I think he's very good in this.

426
00:18:49.380 --> 00:18:52.440
Well, is he having a relationship with this woman that Malcolm

427
00:18:52.440 --> 00:18:53.339
Reid's failed to bring back?

428
00:18:53.400 --> 00:18:55.380
No, was it a woman I didn't even know?

429
00:18:55.440 --> 00:18:56.940
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

430
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I think the point is...

431
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That's why that's why he goes, you know where he goes to get

432
00:19:00.599 --> 00:19:01.140
Hoshi?

433
00:19:01.200 --> 00:19:03.960
I think it's the parallel, is they're both bringing back a woman

434
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that they're kind of woman that we didn't save.

435
00:19:06.240 --> 00:19:10.140
So, I mean, so there's been tension between the 2 of them in a

436
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sort of fairly boring way.

437
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And there is a...

438
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Have you seen that episode?

439
00:19:15.240 --> 00:19:19.859
Where they literally slug it out for 45 minutes, they have a

440
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series of punch-ups.

441
00:19:21.240 --> 00:19:23.160
Oh God, it's so tedious.

442
00:19:23.700 --> 00:19:27.420
I mean, there's stuff there for Malcolm to do.

443
00:19:27.480 --> 00:19:31.740
It's not obviously like emotional stuff because fuck an hell look

444
00:19:31.740 --> 00:19:32.460
at Rick Worthy.

445
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What to this pan...

446
00:19:36.000 --> 00:19:37.140
Which one's Rick Worthy?

447
00:19:37.200 --> 00:19:38.579
Is he the one that's got all the hair on it?

448
00:19:38.640 --> 00:19:43.319
No, no, that's trick worthy, the arboreal, and that's, um, that

449
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stuck a small wood there with the kind of...

450
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Directed by the worst Robert.

451
00:19:47.279 --> 00:19:47.759
Did you know it?

452
00:19:47.819 --> 00:19:48.720
It's the worst, Robert.

453
00:19:48.779 --> 00:19:51.900
So the worst Robert does 4 voyages and 4 enterprises.

454
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He's not a bad director.

455
00:19:54.660 --> 00:19:55.200
It's all right.

456
00:19:55.259 --> 00:19:58.680
We've never seen him direct before on untitled Star Trek project.

457
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I think that this is his last one.

458
00:20:01.019 --> 00:20:04.259
He did he did one voyage.

459
00:20:04.319 --> 00:20:08.460
I know he started with the one with Kate Mulgrew, you know

460
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questioning a religion.

461
00:20:09.960 --> 00:20:10.559
It was that episode.

462
00:20:10.619 --> 00:20:12.000
Oh, sacred ground.

463
00:20:12.059 --> 00:20:12.720
Sacred ground.

464
00:20:12.779 --> 00:20:16.619
But he does go on to do a couple of absolute bangers.

465
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I thought he directed the action really well here.

466
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I do think that I do have struggle with pace, an enterprise.

467
00:20:25.079 --> 00:20:29.279
They want it to be like furious, but instead it's sort of just a

468
00:20:29.279 --> 00:20:30.240
trot, you know?

469
00:20:30.539 --> 00:20:34.319
I mean, I think this is this, again, this slows the whole thing

470
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down, but this is the best scene in the episode, I think.

471
00:20:37.500 --> 00:20:41.339
Well, I quite like the tennis scene as well that they have, where

472
00:20:41.339 --> 00:20:43.380
they talk about, I think that's very good too.

473
00:20:43.440 --> 00:20:47.519
But they do put a joke in that scene and then it makes me quite

474
00:20:47.519 --> 00:20:49.680
pleased that this is as serious as it is.

475
00:20:49.740 --> 00:20:53.460
Do you remember the joke about chef and the steaks?

476
00:20:53.519 --> 00:20:54.960
Yeah, yeah.

477
00:20:55.140 --> 00:20:56.819
It's not good.

478
00:20:56.880 --> 00:21:00.779
They can't write funny jokes, you know, it's baffling.

479
00:21:01.200 --> 00:21:04.259
So, I mean, this is all very kind of functional.

480
00:21:04.319 --> 00:21:05.700
Maybe just a scene later.

481
00:21:05.759 --> 00:21:06.420
Maybe I'm wrong.

482
00:21:06.480 --> 00:21:09.660
Maybe it's, but it is a scene later when they're working.

483
00:21:09.779 --> 00:21:13.019
I mean, this is just sort of setting the whole thing up, isn't

484
00:21:13.019 --> 00:21:13.259
it?

485
00:21:13.319 --> 00:21:16.079
But there's something about, I think, I don't know.

486
00:21:16.140 --> 00:21:19.380
Is it just that they're the 2 sexiest people on the ship, but

487
00:21:19.380 --> 00:21:21.119
they're also incredibly childish.

488
00:21:21.180 --> 00:21:24.299
I just going to say to you, every time Tucker gets a close-up, I

489
00:21:24.299 --> 00:21:26.579
do want to reach in and kiss him.

490
00:21:26.640 --> 00:21:28.079
Yeah, he's beautiful.

491
00:21:28.140 --> 00:21:29.640
And she's beautiful.

492
00:21:29.700 --> 00:21:30.779
She's obviously beautiful.

493
00:21:30.839 --> 00:21:31.980
They're both there for that reason.

494
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The scene is later.

495
00:21:34.200 --> 00:21:38.700
And because the 2 of them have been having a thing and because, um

496
00:21:38.700 --> 00:21:43.140
you know, um, poor old Jolene's character has been going through a

497
00:21:43.140 --> 00:21:48.420
lot this season, um, oh, she got addicted to drugs, didn't she?

498
00:21:48.480 --> 00:21:48.839
At one point.

499
00:21:48.900 --> 00:21:49.799
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

500
00:21:49.859 --> 00:21:50.099
Yeah.

501
00:21:50.160 --> 00:21:51.359
I can't remember what it's called.

502
00:21:51.420 --> 00:21:54.240
It was a very Star Trek name for a drug though.

503
00:21:55.140 --> 00:21:56.519
Yes.

504
00:21:56.579 --> 00:21:59.279
Oh, more of Hoshi being tortured here.

505
00:21:59.339 --> 00:22:00.359
Very pleasant to watch.

506
00:22:00.420 --> 00:22:02.579
Yeah, yeah, yeah. just think that's horrible.

507
00:22:03.119 --> 00:22:06.660
She lets out a ripper of a scream in that scene.

508
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Where I sort of recoiled.

509
00:22:09.059 --> 00:22:09.720
I was like, wow.

510
00:22:09.779 --> 00:22:12.660
Well, in fact, that's a bit of a problem, isn't it?

511
00:22:12.720 --> 00:22:13.319
Do you know what I mean?

512
00:22:13.380 --> 00:22:14.220
Because that makes it worse.

513
00:22:14.279 --> 00:22:16.859
If it's a cartoon, then it doesn't matter.

514
00:22:16.920 --> 00:22:20.819
If there, if you're not going to deal with the consequences, then

515
00:22:20.819 --> 00:22:22.500
don't make it so horrible.

516
00:22:22.799 --> 00:22:28.019
You know, Nathan, nature has created many sort of beautiful and

517
00:22:28.019 --> 00:22:30.480
interesting and quirky and unusual species.

518
00:22:30.539 --> 00:22:33.539
I've never seen anything quite like that man on the right there

519
00:22:33.539 --> 00:22:33.839
though.

520
00:22:33.900 --> 00:22:37.440
All of that. unpleasant hair all over his face.

521
00:22:37.500 --> 00:22:42.180
So look at them because they have these extra nostrils just at the

522
00:22:42.180 --> 00:22:43.680
top of their cheekbones.

523
00:22:43.740 --> 00:22:47.339
And all of the Zindi hab.

524
00:22:47.759 --> 00:22:50.819
All of the different nose issues.

525
00:22:50.880 --> 00:22:51.299
Yeah, yeah.

526
00:22:51.299 --> 00:22:54.539
The woman with no nose. extra nostrils.

527
00:22:54.660 --> 00:22:59.519
No, but you, look, the next time we have a close-up of, of, um

528
00:22:59.519 --> 00:23:01.019
Rick and Tucker.

529
00:23:01.079 --> 00:23:04.680
Look, see, both of them have those nostrils just under their

530
00:23:04.680 --> 00:23:05.160
eyes.

531
00:23:05.220 --> 00:23:07.079
That was too short, that shot.

532
00:23:07.140 --> 00:23:08.519
But keep an eye out for it.

533
00:23:08.579 --> 00:23:11.039
And the insectoids and the reptilians have it as well.

534
00:23:11.099 --> 00:23:14.579
And look, there it is under the amphibian's eye as well, not the

535
00:23:14.579 --> 00:23:16.019
amphibian, the aquatic.

536
00:23:16.079 --> 00:23:17.339
So they all have it.

537
00:23:17.400 --> 00:23:19.619
So they all evolved on the same planet.

538
00:23:19.680 --> 00:23:22.799
It's a planet that evolved 6 sentient races.

539
00:23:22.859 --> 00:23:26.099
We get a mention of the avians at the beginning of the next

540
00:23:26.099 --> 00:23:27.539
episode and they've died out.

541
00:23:27.660 --> 00:23:29.400
And so what?

542
00:23:29.460 --> 00:23:32.759
They've all come together under the umbrella term of the Zindy.

543
00:23:32.819 --> 00:23:34.740
Yeah, because they come from the same planet.

544
00:23:34.799 --> 00:23:37.019
So we've just evolved one.

545
00:23:37.079 --> 00:23:40.980
We used to have more than one intelligent species on Earth, but I

546
00:23:40.980 --> 00:23:45.720
don't know what happened and now it's just, but now these guys

547
00:23:45.720 --> 00:23:47.819
have six.

548
00:23:47.880 --> 00:23:51.480
Much like planet Earth, politically, it's all a bit tenuous and

549
00:23:51.480 --> 00:23:53.819
there's lots of infighting going on.

550
00:23:53.819 --> 00:23:54.240
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

551
00:23:54.240 --> 00:23:54.900
All of that.

552
00:23:54.960 --> 00:23:57.359
But none of it's very interesting, though, is it?

553
00:23:57.420 --> 00:23:58.259
No, no.

554
00:23:58.319 --> 00:24:02.279
Although, like, there is something here, like we get these guys

555
00:24:02.279 --> 00:24:06.900
characterise, like the whale guys are kind of smart and slow

556
00:24:06.900 --> 00:24:07.920
moving.

557
00:24:07.980 --> 00:24:12.599
And like this bit here where Rickworthy manages to convey through

558
00:24:12.599 --> 00:24:18.059
the fucking latex sack on his head that he's nervous about water

559
00:24:18.119 --> 00:24:20.640
you know, like he's he's visibly anxious.

560
00:24:20.700 --> 00:24:22.680
Holy shit, he's so pretty.

561
00:24:22.740 --> 00:24:23.400
What have they done?

562
00:24:23.460 --> 00:24:24.240
It's just insane.

563
00:24:24.299 --> 00:24:25.200
I love.

564
00:24:25.259 --> 00:24:25.680
Do you know what?

565
00:24:25.740 --> 00:24:31.079
I think the special effects aren't there to show these aquatic

566
00:24:31.079 --> 00:24:31.619
creatures.

567
00:24:31.680 --> 00:24:33.599
But I love that they went there.

568
00:24:33.660 --> 00:24:35.039
Oh yeah, me too.

569
00:24:35.099 --> 00:24:38.039
I think just something a bit and the insect toys.

570
00:24:38.099 --> 00:24:40.380
The insect toys are even worse in CGI terms.

571
00:24:40.440 --> 00:24:43.980
I mean, the insectoids are better than those 8472.

572
00:24:44.160 --> 00:24:46.140
Let's, be fair.

573
00:24:46.200 --> 00:24:47.099
Well, I'd hope so.

574
00:24:47.160 --> 00:24:48.539
We're a few years on from there now.

575
00:24:48.660 --> 00:24:49.019
Yeah, yeah.

576
00:24:49.079 --> 00:24:50.579
No, that's our 1st attempt.

577
00:24:50.640 --> 00:24:51.900
This is 2004.

578
00:24:52.140 --> 00:24:53.579
So it's a...

579
00:24:53.640 --> 00:24:54.480
But you know, kind of later.

580
00:24:54.539 --> 00:24:57.660
I know we've just signed they just did various types of latex with

581
00:24:57.660 --> 00:25:01.500
the shapeshifters and the Jem'adar and the water.

582
00:25:01.559 --> 00:25:05.880
But they put all the energy into the characterisation of them.

583
00:25:05.940 --> 00:25:09.599
And that's where you need to do it, you know, like, you're doing

584
00:25:09.599 --> 00:25:15.240
something that is, it is interesting to look at in comparison to

585
00:25:15.240 --> 00:25:17.579
DS9, but it's not as interesting to watch.

586
00:25:17.640 --> 00:25:18.480
No.

587
00:25:18.539 --> 00:25:19.619
I think that scene.

588
00:25:19.680 --> 00:25:22.259
I mean, in this scene, Archer is the only one with a name.

589
00:25:22.319 --> 00:25:25.319
Like, I don't think Rick Worthy's character gets called by name in

590
00:25:25.319 --> 00:25:26.220
this episode at all.

591
00:25:26.279 --> 00:25:28.799
I think I just found it from the credits.

592
00:25:28.859 --> 00:25:33.720
I was chuckling to myself watching Scott Bacula clearly talking to

593
00:25:33.720 --> 00:25:37.500
just a pane of glass, but giving all the emotion he possibly can

594
00:25:37.500 --> 00:25:37.920
to it.

595
00:25:37.980 --> 00:25:41.220
Yeah, I mean, he's doing okay here, isn't he?

596
00:25:41.279 --> 00:25:44.759
Like, I mean, why are they given?

597
00:25:44.819 --> 00:25:46.019
is it Rick worthy on the right there?

598
00:25:46.079 --> 00:25:47.099
Is that worthy?

599
00:25:47.160 --> 00:25:49.859
Why have they given him those teeth that make him look really

600
00:25:49.859 --> 00:25:50.400
stupid?

601
00:25:50.759 --> 00:25:52.980
They really do, don't they?

602
00:25:53.039 --> 00:25:54.599
You know, like the class dumps.

603
00:25:54.660 --> 00:25:55.740
That's what you look like.

604
00:25:55.799 --> 00:25:57.839
He's got like big cleetus teeth.

605
00:25:57.900 --> 00:25:59.640
Like, it's ridiculous.

606
00:26:00.900 --> 00:26:04.319
He looks like a mutant Easter bunny, doesn't he?

607
00:26:04.500 --> 00:26:06.900
I mean, very strange.

608
00:26:06.960 --> 00:26:09.779
The terrible thing is he's supposed to be an ape, right?

609
00:26:09.839 --> 00:26:11.039
He's an arboreal.

610
00:26:11.099 --> 00:26:14.759
So you've got the indie primates and there's indie arboreals.

611
00:26:14.819 --> 00:26:16.859
But surely they both have to be primates.

612
00:26:16.920 --> 00:26:19.859
I don't quite understand that, but the arboreals live in trees.

613
00:26:19.920 --> 00:26:21.240
And so they're apes.

614
00:26:21.240 --> 00:26:24.839
In a massive lapse of taste, they've given that job to a black

615
00:26:24.839 --> 00:26:25.500
man.

616
00:26:25.500 --> 00:26:26.940
Sorry to interrupt you.

617
00:26:27.000 --> 00:26:31.200
This shot here when they walk into where the food weapon is. good

618
00:26:31.200 --> 00:26:31.500
isn't it?

619
00:26:31.559 --> 00:26:35.700
It goes from a CGI shop of them walking across the gantries with

620
00:26:35.700 --> 00:26:37.500
all of that detail around them.

621
00:26:37.500 --> 00:26:42.420
To a physical set with that rotating ball inside of it.

622
00:26:42.480 --> 00:26:44.400
I was utterly sold.

623
00:26:44.880 --> 00:26:48.779
It's really good And it establishes the walkway that archers

624
00:26:48.779 --> 00:26:51.900
running, you know, when he sets the thing to explode.

625
00:26:52.019 --> 00:26:54.119
He runs on that entry.

626
00:26:54.180 --> 00:26:57.720
You know, like it sets up that space for this episode and the next

627
00:26:57.720 --> 00:27:02.640
episode, and it's where the climax happens, and it looks stunning

628
00:27:02.640 --> 00:27:04.680
and even the set looks great.

629
00:27:04.740 --> 00:27:06.299
There's heaps of negative space.

630
00:27:06.359 --> 00:27:12.059
The green and purple are good colours, like it looks really good.

631
00:27:12.119 --> 00:27:15.420
It looks good on the reptilian's outfits.

632
00:27:15.480 --> 00:27:17.700
I think like it's a really, really good set.

633
00:27:17.759 --> 00:27:21.539
The ball, the rotating ball, which reminds us that we're in a

634
00:27:21.539 --> 00:27:23.519
giant fucking rotating ball.

635
00:27:23.579 --> 00:27:24.119
Do you know what I mean?

636
00:27:24.180 --> 00:27:26.759
So they have a rotating ball in there just to remind us of it.

637
00:27:26.819 --> 00:27:29.519
That you recognise the rotating ball?

638
00:27:29.579 --> 00:27:30.660
No.

639
00:27:30.660 --> 00:27:36.960
It's the mine from minefield, the most recent episode of untitled

640
00:27:36.960 --> 00:27:37.680
star of...

641
00:27:37.680 --> 00:27:38.940
Just spinning around.

642
00:27:39.240 --> 00:27:39.660
Yeah, yeah.

643
00:27:39.660 --> 00:27:41.339
Oh, at least they got some use out of it.

644
00:27:41.579 --> 00:27:45.480
It's not often I look at a Star Trek set and say, God, I'd love to

645
00:27:45.480 --> 00:27:46.440
have one of those in my house.

646
00:27:46.559 --> 00:27:48.240
It's like really cool.

647
00:27:48.299 --> 00:27:48.839
Yeah.

648
00:27:48.839 --> 00:27:52.920
I mean, clearly that, I think that whole sequence of him them

649
00:27:52.920 --> 00:27:55.920
walking in there, that is sort of the money shot of this episode.

650
00:27:55.920 --> 00:27:59.460
And they've poured a lot of resources into making that as good as

651
00:27:59.460 --> 00:27:59.940
it can be.

652
00:28:00.000 --> 00:28:02.099
But I mean, they do use it later.

653
00:28:02.160 --> 00:28:05.099
Like they use whatever models they create later for the climax.

654
00:28:05.160 --> 00:28:08.160
So they're establishing what's happening in the next episode.

655
00:28:08.160 --> 00:28:13.019
And our last shot of Bacula is him running along that gantry in

656
00:28:13.019 --> 00:28:14.279
order to escape the...

657
00:28:14.279 --> 00:28:16.619
Just goes to show what they are capable of.

658
00:28:16.680 --> 00:28:20.339
I don't think they've got the time or the money to for it to be

659
00:28:20.339 --> 00:28:23.400
that good all the time, but that's the peaks they can reach.

660
00:28:23.460 --> 00:28:27.420
But I mean, the other thing that they do they give all of the

661
00:28:27.420 --> 00:28:32.700
Zindi, their own ships and their own distinctively design ships

662
00:28:32.700 --> 00:28:36.359
and I think the reptilian ships and the aquatic ships, I'm not

663
00:28:36.359 --> 00:28:39.660
quite sure which ones are the insecto ships, look great.

664
00:28:39.720 --> 00:28:41.279
So this is our best scene, isn't it?

665
00:28:41.339 --> 00:28:42.059
This is our best thing.

666
00:28:42.119 --> 00:28:43.799
Oh, it's so pissy in this scene.

667
00:28:43.920 --> 00:28:44.400
I love it.

668
00:28:44.460 --> 00:28:48.599
But then she realises that she's pissy and they come. you know

669
00:28:48.599 --> 00:28:49.559
they come together.

670
00:28:49.619 --> 00:28:50.339
It's really nice.

671
00:28:50.400 --> 00:28:54.539
But she's always doing something, isn't she?

672
00:28:54.599 --> 00:28:59.519
Like, she is being busy, but she kind of has a right to do it.

673
00:28:59.579 --> 00:29:04.500
And then he's sort of dismissing her and it being a prick, do you

674
00:29:04.500 --> 00:29:04.980
know what I mean?

675
00:29:05.039 --> 00:29:06.660
And saying, I'm not going to put up with this.

676
00:29:06.720 --> 00:29:08.819
But he's not being, he's not unpleasant.

677
00:29:08.880 --> 00:29:09.660
Do you know what I mean?

678
00:29:09.720 --> 00:29:12.660
And this is the 1st time she ever calls him Trib.

679
00:29:13.680 --> 00:29:15.119
Really?

680
00:29:15.180 --> 00:29:16.500
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

681
00:29:16.559 --> 00:29:18.480
It's really good, isn't it?

682
00:29:18.539 --> 00:29:20.519
And then she's like being honest.

683
00:29:21.779 --> 00:29:25.140
This whole situation has made me become very emotional.

684
00:29:25.200 --> 00:29:26.880
Please be patient with me.

685
00:29:26.940 --> 00:29:28.859
Yeah, it's good, isn't it?

686
00:29:28.920 --> 00:29:33.420
And they like each other and it's... is a show where characters

687
00:29:33.420 --> 00:29:35.759
are not often emotionally honest with each other.

688
00:29:35.819 --> 00:29:37.440
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

689
00:29:37.500 --> 00:29:40.079
And you know, they can only do it with the Vulcan character

690
00:29:40.079 --> 00:29:43.559
because she kind of explains her emotions because we can't do some

691
00:29:43.559 --> 00:29:44.160
text.

692
00:29:44.220 --> 00:29:45.359
Do you know what I mean?

693
00:29:45.420 --> 00:29:48.720
But she just sells this so well.

694
00:29:48.779 --> 00:29:51.059
I think you know, I don't know.

695
00:29:51.119 --> 00:29:54.359
I don't, well, she gets, she gets on nothing line of, you know, I

696
00:29:54.359 --> 00:29:57.599
really can't do this on my own, but she's not obviously talking

697
00:29:57.599 --> 00:29:58.259
about the work.

698
00:29:58.319 --> 00:29:59.579
No that's right.

699
00:29:59.640 --> 00:30:01.140
She needs him there.

700
00:30:01.200 --> 00:30:02.279
And she sells that line.

701
00:30:02.339 --> 00:30:04.319
I think that's the that's the important line here.

702
00:30:04.740 --> 00:30:08.940
And and like him not being a prick.

703
00:30:09.000 --> 00:30:12.599
You know, when the show started, I was just thinking today about

704
00:30:12.599 --> 00:30:17.039
Strange New World and my theory that all of DePoll's lines would

705
00:30:17.039 --> 00:30:20.700
be improved if she just continued with the words, you fucking

706
00:30:20.700 --> 00:30:25.079
idiot, at the end of it, because it had that antagonistic

707
00:30:25.079 --> 00:30:28.440
relationship where we're all men and we're cool and we don't give

708
00:30:28.440 --> 00:30:31.859
a shit and she's saying, well, maybe we could be more cautious or

709
00:30:31.859 --> 00:30:33.000
maybe you could not do this.

710
00:30:33.059 --> 00:30:33.960
Look at that shot.

711
00:30:34.019 --> 00:30:36.720
Look at the shot of Scott McDonald in the costume.

712
00:30:36.779 --> 00:30:39.420
It looks amazing the way that's lit. lit.

713
00:30:39.539 --> 00:30:44.400
Um, Anyway, uh, you know, that antagonistic relationship was

714
00:30:44.400 --> 00:30:48.839
unpleasant to watch and bordered on kind of them being racist and

715
00:30:48.839 --> 00:30:51.480
sexist and just generally horrible.

716
00:30:51.539 --> 00:30:54.839
But now the relationship between trip and pol is fantastic.

717
00:30:54.900 --> 00:30:57.480
It's the best relationship on the show.

718
00:30:58.079 --> 00:31:03.480
Why have they put him in all of those straight, that weird wire

719
00:31:03.480 --> 00:31:04.259
costume?

720
00:31:04.319 --> 00:31:06.779
It looks so cumbersome, doesn't it?

721
00:31:06.900 --> 00:31:08.579
I really like it.

722
00:31:08.579 --> 00:31:09.900
When there's a long shot.

723
00:31:09.960 --> 00:31:12.900
Look at it. nobody would choose to put that bloody thing on.

724
00:31:12.960 --> 00:31:14.279
It's not protecting you from anything.

725
00:31:14.339 --> 00:31:15.720
I don't understand.

726
00:31:15.779 --> 00:31:16.859
It's not a fashion statement.

727
00:31:16.920 --> 00:31:18.420
Yeah, I don't know.

728
00:31:18.480 --> 00:31:21.240
I mean, the light shines off it.

729
00:31:21.299 --> 00:31:23.519
I think it looks good.

730
00:31:23.579 --> 00:31:25.740
Like, I think they look pretty good.

731
00:31:25.799 --> 00:31:27.779
Who are these people again?

732
00:31:27.839 --> 00:31:29.339
These cut price.

733
00:31:29.339 --> 00:31:30.720
Shape shifter.

734
00:31:30.960 --> 00:31:39.000
So these are the sphere builders, the people who created the

735
00:31:39.000 --> 00:31:45.240
Delphic expands. and they want to terraform the entire galaxy.

736
00:31:45.299 --> 00:31:50.039
They want to do to the galaxy, what they've done to the Delphic

737
00:31:50.039 --> 00:31:52.740
expanse and make it uninhabitable for everyone else.

738
00:31:52.859 --> 00:31:55.440
I just got no personality.

739
00:31:55.500 --> 00:31:56.460
It's all, have they?

740
00:31:56.519 --> 00:31:59.640
Like, basically, it's a series of visual quotes.

741
00:31:59.700 --> 00:32:04.559
You go into a white space a bit like the prophets and they talk to

742
00:32:04.559 --> 00:32:04.980
each other.

743
00:32:05.160 --> 00:32:09.299
But they cut looking at each other like the camera moves from

744
00:32:09.299 --> 00:32:10.619
purpose to another.

745
00:32:10.680 --> 00:32:12.539
It's very crap.

746
00:32:12.599 --> 00:32:14.099
Like it is very strange.

747
00:32:14.160 --> 00:32:17.519
No, no, I see you're trying to make this look interesting, but

748
00:32:17.519 --> 00:32:18.539
just make them interesting.

749
00:32:22.380 --> 00:32:27.480
All this fucking inscrutable dialogue, but means nothing. just

750
00:32:27.480 --> 00:32:27.960
ridiculous.

751
00:32:28.019 --> 00:32:28.859
It is ridiculous.

752
00:32:28.920 --> 00:32:30.480
Zero, dear.

753
00:32:30.839 --> 00:32:34.799
You know, suddenly Tucker Smallwood's makeup doesn't look quite as

754
00:32:34.799 --> 00:32:36.779
egregious as poor Rick Worthies.

755
00:32:36.839 --> 00:32:42.480
I did read the thing and apparently he got infected tear duct and

756
00:32:42.480 --> 00:32:46.559
like, and I wonder whether you can actually see his eyes swelling

757
00:32:46.559 --> 00:32:46.740
up.

758
00:32:46.799 --> 00:32:50.640
Apparently it was horribly unpleasant to wear, like despite the

759
00:32:50.640 --> 00:32:52.619
fact that it is less aggressive.

760
00:32:52.680 --> 00:32:55.440
I mean, at least like a small wood just, they just put the bag on

761
00:32:55.440 --> 00:32:58.380
his head at the beginning of the day and put his teeth in and he's

762
00:32:58.380 --> 00:33:02.099
probably ready to go, a bit of, you know?

763
00:33:02.160 --> 00:33:05.579
He must have said, right, oh, God, I've got a semi-regular role in

764
00:33:05.579 --> 00:33:07.259
starting.

765
00:33:07.259 --> 00:33:08.279
Right.

766
00:33:08.339 --> 00:33:10.920
This is our concept art of what you're going to look like.

767
00:33:11.819 --> 00:33:13.980
How much are you willing to pay me?

768
00:33:14.039 --> 00:33:15.480
Yeah.

769
00:33:15.539 --> 00:33:17.460
Yeah, it's kind of terrible, is it?

770
00:33:17.519 --> 00:33:20.819
They're talking about they're talking about Degra, a lawyer

771
00:33:20.819 --> 00:33:22.980
because Degra was the one interesting character.

772
00:33:23.099 --> 00:33:24.059
Yeah.

773
00:33:24.119 --> 00:33:27.000
And so, I mean, he was kind of the Oppenheimer sort of thing

774
00:33:27.059 --> 00:33:27.599
wasn't he?

775
00:33:27.660 --> 00:33:31.859
He designed the weapon and then was horrified by what had been

776
00:33:31.859 --> 00:33:32.640
done with it.

777
00:33:32.700 --> 00:33:34.559
Oh, wow.

778
00:33:34.559 --> 00:33:40.019
That's a wonderful episode. where they kidnap Degra and the create

779
00:33:40.019 --> 00:33:41.220
a fake shuttle.

780
00:33:41.279 --> 00:33:43.140
It's a really great episode.

781
00:33:43.200 --> 00:33:47.160
There are some good there's some good stuff in three So we saw him

782
00:33:47.160 --> 00:33:48.119
in improving ground.

783
00:33:48.180 --> 00:33:51.539
That's where I know him from where he that had already happened, I

784
00:33:51.539 --> 00:33:51.720
think.

785
00:33:51.779 --> 00:33:54.660
It introduces Degra that way, doesn't it, with the kidnapping?

786
00:33:54.720 --> 00:33:59.160
The trouble with spreading this out across 26 is they still want

787
00:33:59.160 --> 00:34:00.900
to do things like Carbon Creek.

788
00:34:01.559 --> 00:34:02.519
Things like that, you know?

789
00:34:02.579 --> 00:34:04.380
And it doesn't fit into the year at all.

790
00:34:04.440 --> 00:34:07.259
But I think I think they have to do that.

791
00:34:07.319 --> 00:34:09.960
It's the same reason that they have to do better being better bang

792
00:34:09.960 --> 00:34:12.599
and take me out to the holosuite during the war arc.

793
00:34:12.659 --> 00:34:14.940
They only have to do that because it's fabulous.

794
00:34:15.000 --> 00:34:16.860
Yes, why wouldn't you do that?

795
00:34:16.920 --> 00:34:20.519
Well, yeah, Carbon Creek or the future.

796
00:34:20.519 --> 00:34:21.420
Listen to this dialogue.

797
00:34:21.480 --> 00:34:22.739
I know, it's ridiculous.

798
00:34:22.800 --> 00:34:25.500
Then the time has come.

799
00:34:25.500 --> 00:34:27.000
And then she turned to talk to her.

800
00:34:27.000 --> 00:34:30.119
And then, like, it's just like, what's going on?

801
00:34:31.260 --> 00:34:33.119
I love that ball.

802
00:34:33.179 --> 00:34:34.679
It's so good, isn't it?

803
00:34:34.739 --> 00:34:35.820
It looks...

804
00:34:35.880 --> 00:34:36.719
And now you said it.

805
00:34:36.780 --> 00:34:39.900
I can see it is that mine, but they sort of tarted it up with a

806
00:34:39.900 --> 00:34:42.900
bit of holographic paper and yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

807
00:34:42.960 --> 00:34:44.699
List it in a more interesting way.

808
00:34:44.760 --> 00:34:46.500
Well, and it's spinning it around.

809
00:34:46.500 --> 00:34:47.579
Spinning on axis.

810
00:34:47.639 --> 00:34:48.659
Yeah, that's right.

811
00:34:50.400 --> 00:34:51.780
Yeah.

812
00:34:51.900 --> 00:34:56.340
I mean, like, watching this without hearing the dismal dialogue

813
00:34:56.340 --> 00:34:59.280
and just looking at the pretty pictures and having a conversation

814
00:34:59.280 --> 00:34:59.760
with you.

815
00:34:59.820 --> 00:35:02.579
I think this might be the best possible way to watch this, you

816
00:35:02.579 --> 00:35:02.760
know.

817
00:35:02.820 --> 00:35:06.000
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. without hearing what anybody's got to

818
00:35:06.000 --> 00:35:06.179
say.

819
00:35:06.659 --> 00:35:09.539
Because you notice who the scriptwriter was on this.

820
00:35:10.139 --> 00:35:13.320
It wasn't Andre Bormanis.

821
00:35:13.380 --> 00:35:14.880
No under.

822
00:35:14.940 --> 00:35:17.820
I mean, halfway through when that techno pabble started hitting, I

823
00:35:17.820 --> 00:35:22.559
was like, you didn't need to tell me, Andre Belmont. writer of

824
00:35:22.559 --> 00:35:24.000
Star Trek science logs.

825
00:35:24.059 --> 00:35:25.920
I mean, look at all these ships.

826
00:35:26.159 --> 00:35:28.079
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

827
00:35:28.139 --> 00:35:29.340
It's pretty incredible.

828
00:35:29.400 --> 00:35:30.360
I mean, they're great.

829
00:35:30.420 --> 00:35:33.300
I mean, they're not quite as fun as the alpha quadrant strips, I

830
00:35:33.300 --> 00:35:36.360
don't think, but I think they do a pretty good job for a sort of

831
00:35:36.360 --> 00:35:39.539
one-off thing. and there are, you know, like 5 different designs

832
00:35:39.539 --> 00:35:43.559
for the different types of Zindi. and they're all quite distinct.

833
00:35:43.619 --> 00:35:47.099
And I think the aquantic ones look great and they remind you of

834
00:35:47.099 --> 00:35:50.219
the aquatic guides because they've got all the sort of glass tanks

835
00:35:50.219 --> 00:35:50.760
and stuff.

836
00:35:51.000 --> 00:35:55.679
In terms of design, they have stepped up a notch from Voyager, I

837
00:35:55.679 --> 00:35:55.800
think.

838
00:35:56.219 --> 00:36:00.300
Do you remember the Kazon ships were just sort of cut price?

839
00:36:00.360 --> 00:36:01.320
Kardashian?

840
00:36:01.380 --> 00:36:02.760
Oh, I quite like Amazon chips, actually.

841
00:36:02.820 --> 00:36:04.440
I think we've had this conversation.

842
00:36:04.500 --> 00:36:05.519
What are you talking about?

843
00:36:05.579 --> 00:36:06.360
They look really cute.

844
00:36:06.840 --> 00:36:08.880
You really want a spaceship.

845
00:36:08.940 --> 00:36:15.659
I'll buy you one So I, see, this I like, like you've got Malcolm

846
00:36:15.659 --> 00:36:20.400
he's written the report and he gives it to him, but the subtext is

847
00:36:20.400 --> 00:36:23.639
I'm acknowledging how you feel about what happened to her.

848
00:36:23.699 --> 00:36:24.780
Do you know what I mean?

849
00:36:24.840 --> 00:36:29.519
Like it's a scene that is doing more than it seems to on paper, but

850
00:36:29.519 --> 00:36:34.320
it's also just cheesy as hell and it's here to quickly resolve the

851
00:36:34.320 --> 00:36:36.780
thing because he's going to be killed later in the episode.

852
00:36:37.679 --> 00:36:41.820
I just don't think he sells the emotional material.

853
00:36:41.880 --> 00:36:42.900
No, I think that's a problem.

854
00:36:42.960 --> 00:36:44.579
There's a kind of restrained.

855
00:36:45.300 --> 00:36:47.039
It's literally a stiff upper lip thing.

856
00:36:47.099 --> 00:36:48.059
Look at him here.

857
00:36:48.119 --> 00:36:51.900
Like he does look like he's almost about to lose it.

858
00:36:51.960 --> 00:36:56.039
And it's like literally stiff upper lip. you know you can see it

859
00:36:56.039 --> 00:36:56.639
quivering.

860
00:36:56.699 --> 00:37:00.239
So he's trying to kind of convey some sort of emotion.

861
00:37:00.300 --> 00:37:02.159
But there's nothing in that character.

862
00:37:02.219 --> 00:37:04.079
Like, I don't know anything about him.

863
00:37:04.139 --> 00:37:07.440
Um, and I, I'm not very interested.

864
00:37:07.500 --> 00:37:09.179
I mean, he could have been funny.

865
00:37:09.239 --> 00:37:12.420
The chance we got to learn about him in minefield.

866
00:37:12.480 --> 00:37:13.019
What have we learned?

867
00:37:13.079 --> 00:37:14.579
It was so boring.

868
00:37:14.579 --> 00:37:15.780
Absolutely nothing.

869
00:37:15.840 --> 00:37:19.619
Just that he wants to talk about security patrols when he's having

870
00:37:19.619 --> 00:37:20.159
his breakfast.

871
00:37:20.219 --> 00:37:20.639
That's it.

872
00:37:20.699 --> 00:37:24.780
Yeah, yeah, but there's also, like, there's something about, like

873
00:37:24.780 --> 00:37:28.800
you know, they never do with this, with the McKee either, but

874
00:37:28.800 --> 00:37:32.639
suddenly you've got soldiers on board Enterprise, and that's a

875
00:37:32.639 --> 00:37:38.460
really, really significant kind of, oh, it's the puppy.

876
00:37:38.639 --> 00:37:43.739
This was the moment Mark walked into the room and for once he went

877
00:37:43.739 --> 00:37:44.820
oh, dog.

878
00:37:45.239 --> 00:37:48.659
What a good boy. feed him from the table, Jonathan.

879
00:37:48.719 --> 00:37:49.619
This banter.

880
00:37:49.679 --> 00:37:50.039
I'm sorry.

881
00:37:50.099 --> 00:37:50.820
I know.

882
00:37:50.820 --> 00:37:52.860
It's a power. coming up.

883
00:37:52.920 --> 00:37:53.880
Who's complaining?

884
00:37:53.940 --> 00:37:54.719
Only chef.

885
00:37:54.780 --> 00:37:55.619
You know?

886
00:37:56.039 --> 00:37:58.739
Why the hell is the chef's name though?

887
00:37:58.800 --> 00:38:00.059
And you call him chef, don't they?

888
00:38:00.119 --> 00:38:02.820
Don't you remember who plays him in the final episode?

889
00:38:02.880 --> 00:38:06.780
Yeah, Jonathan Frakes. isn't it?

890
00:38:06.840 --> 00:38:07.380
It's great.

891
00:38:07.440 --> 00:38:07.739
It is.

892
00:38:07.800 --> 00:38:09.000
It's Jonathan Franks.

893
00:38:09.059 --> 00:38:10.260
It's so good.

894
00:38:10.380 --> 00:38:11.519
I think that's great.

895
00:38:11.579 --> 00:38:12.360
You never see him.

896
00:38:12.420 --> 00:38:13.619
You are right.

897
00:38:13.679 --> 00:38:17.340
That is a good line about, it would be nice to get back to a

898
00:38:17.340 --> 00:38:20.519
mission of exploring space instead of becoming terrorists, you

899
00:38:20.519 --> 00:38:20.639
know?

900
00:38:20.699 --> 00:38:22.380
No, I think this is funny.

901
00:38:22.440 --> 00:38:26.579
I told the engineering team, uh, you know, what are you going to

902
00:38:26.579 --> 00:38:31.739
do to Paul, and Tapol says, uh, you know, you may buy me a drink

903
00:38:31.739 --> 00:38:34.380
like she's kind of put off, and she doesn't understand the

904
00:38:34.380 --> 00:38:35.579
question.

905
00:38:36.480 --> 00:38:38.579
Do you remember these scenes?

906
00:38:38.639 --> 00:38:42.719
Do you remember these scenes in season one when it was so awkward

907
00:38:42.719 --> 00:38:43.679
between the 3 of them?

908
00:38:43.739 --> 00:38:47.579
And there was casual racism flying about the place all the time?

909
00:38:47.639 --> 00:38:51.480
Like they truly have relaxed a lot.

910
00:38:51.599 --> 00:38:53.519
Well, they'd been for a lot as well.

911
00:38:53.639 --> 00:38:57.840
You know, like they've clearly, because Jolene's conventionally

912
00:38:57.840 --> 00:39:00.539
attractive and she looks great in a slinky uniform and stuff.

913
00:39:00.599 --> 00:39:01.920
That's clearly what they've done.

914
00:39:01.980 --> 00:39:04.199
They're trying to do 7 of 9 again.

915
00:39:04.260 --> 00:39:05.340
Do you know what I mean?

916
00:39:05.400 --> 00:39:09.480
7 of 9 in a slinky outfit and she's dismissive of you and that's

917
00:39:09.480 --> 00:39:10.440
kind of sexy.

918
00:39:10.500 --> 00:39:17.099
But she's like Jerry. a much better actor than they expected, I

919
00:39:17.099 --> 00:39:18.480
think, and then she needs to be.

920
00:39:18.539 --> 00:39:21.539
And I think she's really good. again, I think this scene is

921
00:39:21.539 --> 00:39:21.840
great.

922
00:39:21.900 --> 00:39:25.500
It's not even spoiled by the presence of Jonathan Archer in it.

923
00:39:25.559 --> 00:39:29.340
It is the other good scene, I think. watching art show in this

924
00:39:29.340 --> 00:39:31.739
episode, and I was thinking to myself, like, we've sort of

925
00:39:31.739 --> 00:39:34.920
discovered in many episodes that he's a total prick.

926
00:39:34.980 --> 00:39:39.719
But, like, at this point, they have sort of pushed a lot of those

927
00:39:39.719 --> 00:39:42.599
unlikeable characteristics aside.

928
00:39:42.659 --> 00:39:45.480
I was like, why is he still so boring?

929
00:39:45.599 --> 00:39:48.780
Because like, Kate isn't boring.

930
00:39:48.840 --> 00:39:52.739
Avery isn't boring. and Patrick isn't boring.

931
00:39:52.800 --> 00:39:54.780
And Scott is a great actor.

932
00:39:54.840 --> 00:39:57.000
Yeah, he's a fantastic actor.

933
00:39:57.119 --> 00:39:58.260
And a leading man.

934
00:39:58.320 --> 00:40:02.460
You know, he had his own show that had a regular cast of two.

935
00:40:02.519 --> 00:40:05.880
You know that show completely rested on his shoulders.

936
00:40:05.940 --> 00:40:07.380
I don't know.

937
00:40:07.440 --> 00:40:07.980
What is it?

938
00:40:07.980 --> 00:40:08.760
What's not there?

939
00:40:08.880 --> 00:40:10.500
I don't know, because that was a...

940
00:40:10.500 --> 00:40:13.679
They've got all the ingredients there to make him the best

941
00:40:13.679 --> 00:40:14.159
captain.

942
00:40:14.280 --> 00:40:17.639
It was like, 0 my god, they've cast someone famous in a Star

943
00:40:17.639 --> 00:40:18.179
Trek.

944
00:40:18.239 --> 00:40:19.500
Like, I just couldn't believe it.

945
00:40:19.559 --> 00:40:21.659
It's not like the guys off Benson.

946
00:40:21.719 --> 00:40:24.119
Like it's literally Scott Bacula.

947
00:40:24.179 --> 00:40:26.639
And I think when I watched the 1st episode.

948
00:40:26.699 --> 00:40:29.940
I went into Enterprise and that was the the big selling point.

949
00:40:30.000 --> 00:40:34.860
The guy from Quantum Leap is the head of this and I couldn't

950
00:40:34.860 --> 00:40:37.440
believe what a shit he was in Broken Bone.

951
00:40:37.500 --> 00:40:39.059
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

952
00:40:39.119 --> 00:40:40.800
The crushing disappointment.

953
00:40:40.860 --> 00:40:43.800
I was like, no, he can't be like this all the way.

954
00:40:44.099 --> 00:40:45.599
He was.

955
00:40:45.659 --> 00:40:46.199
He was.

956
00:40:48.840 --> 00:40:53.460
So the Zindi can see, not the Zindi, the sphere builders can see

957
00:40:53.460 --> 00:40:56.159
the future because they're from the future or something.

958
00:40:56.219 --> 00:40:57.059
I don't understand.

959
00:40:57.119 --> 00:41:03.539
But, um, and so they've created the Delphic expanse, and so they

960
00:41:03.539 --> 00:41:08.099
create these anomalies around the, around the weapon to kind of

961
00:41:08.099 --> 00:41:09.179
preserve it.

962
00:41:09.239 --> 00:41:12.719
And then next episode they create anomalies around the spheres to

963
00:41:12.719 --> 00:41:16.739
prevent them from destroying the sphere like they promise to.

964
00:41:16.860 --> 00:41:18.119
See, this is great.

965
00:41:18.179 --> 00:41:20.099
The fleet go into attack the whole.

966
00:41:20.159 --> 00:41:21.179
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

967
00:41:22.260 --> 00:41:24.300
I just think as well.

968
00:41:24.360 --> 00:41:28.619
The way it has those 2 skins that rotate in different directions.

969
00:41:28.679 --> 00:41:29.639
It looks incredible.

970
00:41:29.699 --> 00:41:31.019
It's so dynamic.

971
00:41:31.559 --> 00:41:32.400
It's really great.

972
00:41:32.460 --> 00:41:33.539
I think there's more than two.

973
00:41:33.599 --> 00:41:36.179
I think there's at least 3 layers rotating in different

974
00:41:36.179 --> 00:41:36.599
directions.

975
00:41:36.659 --> 00:41:40.619
I think they may have taken, you know, the bork sphere, but they

976
00:41:40.619 --> 00:41:43.920
had in endgame and just put a couple of layers around it.

977
00:41:43.980 --> 00:41:44.699
But who cares?

978
00:41:44.880 --> 00:41:48.420
I mean, because the problem is it's the Death Star, right?

979
00:41:48.480 --> 00:41:51.119
It's the Zindi Death Star, the moment you have a spherical ship

980
00:41:51.119 --> 00:41:53.400
that destroys the planet.

981
00:41:53.460 --> 00:41:54.360
That's what it has to be.

982
00:41:54.420 --> 00:41:56.579
And so they have to make it look different from that.

983
00:41:56.639 --> 00:41:59.400
And I think they do that really successfully.

984
00:41:59.460 --> 00:42:01.320
I think it looks really, really good.

985
00:42:02.340 --> 00:42:05.340
And it looks threatening, you know?

986
00:42:05.400 --> 00:42:08.579
in a way that a lot of things in Star Trek don't.

987
00:42:08.639 --> 00:42:10.260
And weird as well.

988
00:42:10.320 --> 00:42:13.260
Like nothing we've ever seen in Star Trek, and I think absolutely

989
00:42:13.260 --> 00:42:14.639
they needed to do that.

990
00:42:14.699 --> 00:42:16.139
It's all going on here.

991
00:42:16.199 --> 00:42:17.219
Spaceships exploding.

992
00:42:17.280 --> 00:42:18.599
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

993
00:42:18.659 --> 00:42:22.440
But again, it's people with space names or no names at all.

994
00:42:22.500 --> 00:42:22.980
I love this.

995
00:42:23.039 --> 00:42:29.820
They later on we get scenes where they shoot the aquatic ship and

996
00:42:29.820 --> 00:42:31.380
all of the water spills out.

997
00:42:31.440 --> 00:42:35.340
Couldn't somebody have just said, look, why are we going to save

998
00:42:35.340 --> 00:42:36.059
Hoshi?

999
00:42:36.119 --> 00:42:37.500
You don't even get a line, normally?

1000
00:42:37.559 --> 00:42:40.139
Like, would we even notice she was gone?

1001
00:42:40.260 --> 00:42:42.659
Look at him at the pilot.

1002
00:42:42.719 --> 00:42:44.280
I mean, he hasn't had a line in the episode.

1003
00:42:44.340 --> 00:42:46.619
We'll send him off with her as well.

1004
00:42:47.159 --> 00:42:49.079
It's crazy.

1005
00:42:49.139 --> 00:42:50.760
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1006
00:42:50.820 --> 00:42:53.940
I do I do think that is a big mistake of enterprises.

1007
00:42:54.000 --> 00:42:56.280
Sometimes they don't realise what they've got under their noses.

1008
00:42:56.340 --> 00:42:58.559
Well, I mean, I think it's terrible.

1009
00:42:58.619 --> 00:43:02.880
I think it's really genuinely terrible that the 2 non-white

1010
00:43:02.880 --> 00:43:06.420
regular characters get nothing to do.

1011
00:43:06.480 --> 00:43:09.599
Like, I think that's that's disgraceful.

1012
00:43:09.659 --> 00:43:13.739
And like I already said, I think that this show is a reaction

1013
00:43:13.739 --> 00:43:18.960
against the diversity on Voyager, the increasing diversity in Star

1014
00:43:18.960 --> 00:43:22.440
Trek shows, and it's just like, nope, let's get white men in

1015
00:43:22.440 --> 00:43:29.219
charge again, and it, like, it's, it's shameful how poorly treated

1016
00:43:29.219 --> 00:43:30.000
those characters are.

1017
00:43:30.119 --> 00:43:33.659
I've cast a load of non-white people as the villains as well.

1018
00:43:33.719 --> 00:43:35.699
I mean, no, right, is it?

1019
00:43:35.760 --> 00:43:37.800
And then cover them in latex.

1020
00:43:37.860 --> 00:43:38.579
Yes.

1021
00:43:38.639 --> 00:43:39.119
Yeah.

1022
00:43:39.719 --> 00:43:43.739
I think I think maybe that's our modern day reading on...

1023
00:43:43.800 --> 00:43:46.019
I don't think that's what they were going for at all.

1024
00:43:46.079 --> 00:43:50.039
I genuinely think it's a reaction against, like, I think it's a

1025
00:43:50.039 --> 00:43:52.500
conscious reaction and that's why we take it back to the past.

1026
00:43:52.559 --> 00:43:55.139
Well, you think they were trying to make Star Trek less diverse?

1027
00:43:55.260 --> 00:43:55.980
Yep.

1028
00:43:56.039 --> 00:43:56.400
Yep.

1029
00:43:56.400 --> 00:43:56.639
Yep.

1030
00:43:56.699 --> 00:43:59.820
No aliens on the ship because Why would they do that?

1031
00:43:59.880 --> 00:44:03.119
Because I think they wanted to make it more relatable to a

1032
00:44:03.119 --> 00:44:04.500
particular demographic.

1033
00:44:06.960 --> 00:44:08.639
Yeah, yeah.

1034
00:44:08.699 --> 00:44:12.300
Oh, no, I'm certain that that's a deliberate, that's deliberate.

1035
00:44:12.360 --> 00:44:14.039
Just not what Star Trek is at all.

1036
00:44:14.099 --> 00:44:15.179
Absolutely.

1037
00:44:18.239 --> 00:44:20.340
I mean, oh, there we go.

1038
00:44:20.400 --> 00:44:21.599
Back to the white space.

1039
00:44:22.800 --> 00:44:24.480
And the field.

1040
00:44:25.199 --> 00:44:27.719
I think this poor woman's doing every line, isn't it?

1041
00:44:27.780 --> 00:44:28.920
Right, go and stand over there now.

1042
00:44:28.980 --> 00:44:29.699
Right, go, stand.

1043
00:44:30.239 --> 00:44:31.320
These are different people.

1044
00:44:31.380 --> 00:44:33.360
They're different. don't know.

1045
00:44:33.420 --> 00:44:35.460
Oh my god, what's going on?

1046
00:44:35.519 --> 00:44:37.079
So this is a sphere.

1047
00:44:37.139 --> 00:44:42.300
So remember the spheres are generating the expanse and so they can

1048
00:44:42.300 --> 00:44:44.639
create anomalies and warp space.

1049
00:44:44.699 --> 00:44:48.119
And so that's what they're doing here to protect.

1050
00:44:48.179 --> 00:44:48.719
Ah, yes.

1051
00:44:48.780 --> 00:44:52.139
Isn't that what happens when archer's in the shower earlier in the

1052
00:44:52.139 --> 00:44:52.320
season?

1053
00:44:52.380 --> 00:44:55.019
Oh, I want to stop, doesn't it, around him?

1054
00:44:55.079 --> 00:44:59.579
But remember how, remember how um, all of those Vulcans go crazy

1055
00:44:59.579 --> 00:45:02.699
in that earlier...

1056
00:45:03.179 --> 00:45:03.719
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1057
00:45:03.780 --> 00:45:05.760
Enterprise does the walking dates.

1058
00:45:05.820 --> 00:45:06.239
Yeah.

1059
00:45:06.239 --> 00:45:07.139
Quite success.

1060
00:45:07.199 --> 00:45:07.920
Look at this.

1061
00:45:07.980 --> 00:45:08.820
I know.

1062
00:45:08.880 --> 00:45:12.059
Look at the all the water comes out and turns to ice.

1063
00:45:12.119 --> 00:45:15.659
Like the water comes out and turns to shards of ice. looks

1064
00:45:15.659 --> 00:45:16.079
amazing.

1065
00:45:17.340 --> 00:45:20.699
Where was all this ambition in series one and two?

1066
00:45:20.760 --> 00:45:22.199
really good, isn't it?

1067
00:45:22.199 --> 00:45:24.780
What the hell is this we're going into now?

1068
00:45:24.840 --> 00:45:27.480
Nathan, I don't know what's going on, but it's very exciting.

1069
00:45:27.599 --> 00:45:29.039
Shit's being torn apart.

1070
00:45:29.099 --> 00:45:30.360
No, no.

1071
00:45:30.420 --> 00:45:31.199
I mean, that's it.

1072
00:45:31.260 --> 00:45:32.880
It's the anomalies that are being created.

1073
00:45:32.940 --> 00:45:34.380
It's really good. isn't it?

1074
00:45:34.440 --> 00:45:35.760
Like they're super powerful.

1075
00:45:35.820 --> 00:45:38.880
And again, you know, they're, I don't know why they can't just do

1076
00:45:38.880 --> 00:45:41.099
that to Earth or whatever, but...

1077
00:45:41.099 --> 00:45:42.300
Not to have an anomaly, isn't it?

1078
00:45:42.360 --> 00:45:44.099
It just tears ships apart rather than...

1079
00:45:44.099 --> 00:45:46.019
Yeah, yeah, but they made it in order to do that.

1080
00:45:46.079 --> 00:45:47.340
Like, that's how they defend.

1081
00:45:47.400 --> 00:45:50.820
I mean, think about the dark matter anomaly in discovery series 4

1082
00:45:50.820 --> 00:45:52.860
that destroys whole planets, you know.

1083
00:45:52.920 --> 00:45:55.980
I've got to say, Robert Duncan McNeil, you're doing pretty well in

1084
00:45:55.980 --> 00:45:56.760
this.

1085
00:45:56.820 --> 00:45:57.659
Okay.

1086
00:45:57.719 --> 00:45:58.500
He does okay.

1087
00:45:58.559 --> 00:46:01.800
Again, I a bit rude about the pace earlier, but it's wrapped up a

1088
00:46:01.800 --> 00:46:01.920
lot.

1089
00:46:02.039 --> 00:46:05.760
I think the mechanics of this rescue work really well.

1090
00:46:05.820 --> 00:46:06.719
Do you know what I mean?

1091
00:46:06.780 --> 00:46:09.239
The number of times we've seen people go on a ship and rescue.

1092
00:46:09.360 --> 00:46:14.159
Like I think, you know, Hayes, rescuing Hoshi. does a great job.

1093
00:46:14.219 --> 00:46:16.380
They're still doing this thing, though.

1094
00:46:16.440 --> 00:46:18.780
Someone appears, shoots the gun, goes back in.

1095
00:46:18.900 --> 00:46:21.599
Someone else appears, shoot the gun. goes back in.

1096
00:46:21.659 --> 00:46:22.500
Hide.

1097
00:46:22.619 --> 00:46:25.739
I think, you know, you sort of watch Kurtzman Trek now.

1098
00:46:25.800 --> 00:46:27.300
Everyone's just firing all the time.

1099
00:46:29.820 --> 00:46:33.059
It was deliberately paced back in the day.

1100
00:46:34.619 --> 00:46:37.139
Oh, what are these?

1101
00:46:37.199 --> 00:46:38.579
what are these calls again?

1102
00:46:38.639 --> 00:46:39.420
these great.

1103
00:46:39.480 --> 00:46:41.880
The rep. monsters. reptilians.

1104
00:46:42.599 --> 00:46:43.860
I know they're terrible names too.

1105
00:46:43.920 --> 00:46:45.960
He was, I wanted him to say, God, I'm so hot.

1106
00:46:46.019 --> 00:46:48.000
I need to take off my wife. coat rang a coat.

1107
00:46:48.059 --> 00:46:53.039
No, it's good in hot environments because it's air.

1108
00:46:53.099 --> 00:46:55.619
It airs, you know, like it lets the air in.

1109
00:46:55.679 --> 00:46:59.880
Like, this is incredibly exciting, but fuck me, it is all just a

1110
00:46:59.880 --> 00:47:01.320
load of Hitler babble, wouldn't it?

1111
00:47:01.500 --> 00:47:06.300
Oh yeah, I'm so what do you mean, the buffer and all of that. sort

1112
00:47:06.300 --> 00:47:07.500
of thing, like a dialogue.

1113
00:47:07.500 --> 00:47:09.239
There's not a line of character in it.

1114
00:47:09.300 --> 00:47:11.699
No, no, it's entirely functional dialogue.

1115
00:47:11.760 --> 00:47:13.139
It's not all techno-babble, though.

1116
00:47:13.199 --> 00:47:14.340
It is procedural, really.

1117
00:47:14.400 --> 00:47:18.239
I mean, who cares when they're shooting guns and destroying shit

1118
00:47:18.239 --> 00:47:18.420
yeah.

1119
00:47:18.659 --> 00:47:20.579
Like, I like this.

1120
00:47:20.639 --> 00:47:25.860
I bought this and I didn't know that Culp died in this episode.

1121
00:47:25.920 --> 00:47:30.000
I, you know, wasn't even really thinking a culp.

1122
00:47:30.059 --> 00:47:30.599
What's his name?

1123
00:47:30.659 --> 00:47:31.619
What's the character called?

1124
00:47:31.679 --> 00:47:35.159
Uh, Hed Mac Hayes.

1125
00:47:35.219 --> 00:47:36.239
Major Hayes.

1126
00:47:36.300 --> 00:47:37.619
Stephen Culb.

1127
00:47:37.679 --> 00:47:38.280
Edmal.

1128
00:47:38.340 --> 00:47:39.539
I don't even know his name.

1129
00:47:39.599 --> 00:47:43.260
No, I think they called him, they called the Makos earlier, but

1130
00:47:43.260 --> 00:47:47.039
that, I don't even know the pilot's name and he's in full series

1131
00:47:47.039 --> 00:47:47.940
fuck's name.

1132
00:47:48.960 --> 00:47:52.019
And then we so nearly rescue him.

1133
00:47:52.079 --> 00:47:53.340
It's pretty great, isn't it?

1134
00:47:53.400 --> 00:47:54.780
Like, we're so nearly rescue him.

1135
00:47:54.840 --> 00:47:55.980
Oh, did you see that?

1136
00:47:56.039 --> 00:48:00.059
He beamed in and then by the time he beamed in, Then he went, oh

1137
00:48:00.059 --> 00:48:01.260
like I've been here.

1138
00:48:01.260 --> 00:48:01.800
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1139
00:48:01.860 --> 00:48:02.639
Where'd we come?

1140
00:48:02.699 --> 00:48:05.820
We have to do the materialisation thing and then him falling

1141
00:48:05.820 --> 00:48:06.059
over.

1142
00:48:06.119 --> 00:48:08.159
It's a bit Oh, wonderful.

1143
00:48:08.219 --> 00:48:09.000
Wonderful.

1144
00:48:09.059 --> 00:48:13.619
Did you notice a sort of trip had a bit of dirt on his face then?

1145
00:48:13.679 --> 00:48:15.719
Yeah, it looks good.

1146
00:48:15.780 --> 00:48:16.679
It always looks good.

1147
00:48:16.800 --> 00:48:18.059
I can see why they gave in so much.

1148
00:48:18.119 --> 00:48:20.159
Mind you, what's the pilot's name again?

1149
00:48:20.219 --> 00:48:22.920
Uh, Anthony Mayweather?

1150
00:48:22.980 --> 00:48:23.579
Merriweather.

1151
00:48:23.639 --> 00:48:24.480
Mayweather.

1152
00:48:24.539 --> 00:48:25.500
Mayweather.

1153
00:48:25.559 --> 00:48:27.300
Travis, he's with the same name as my brother.

1154
00:48:27.360 --> 00:48:30.000
I don't know why they don't just have a camera stationed on him

1155
00:48:30.000 --> 00:48:30.840
all the time.

1156
00:48:30.900 --> 00:48:32.099
He's so pretty.

1157
00:48:32.099 --> 00:48:34.199
And ridiculously young.

1158
00:48:34.260 --> 00:48:36.000
What is going on?

1159
00:48:36.059 --> 00:48:39.360
Anomalies everywhere, bursting and blooming like mushroom clouds.

1160
00:48:39.360 --> 00:48:41.820
Yeah, yeah, yeah. around the sphere. awesome, isn't it?

1161
00:48:41.880 --> 00:48:42.840
It looks really good.

1162
00:48:42.900 --> 00:48:45.719
It just ships going everywhere, getting the shit beaten out of

1163
00:48:45.719 --> 00:48:45.900
them.

1164
00:48:46.079 --> 00:48:49.199
This is more exciting than when I was watching it earlier.

1165
00:48:49.260 --> 00:48:50.400
I don't know what.

1166
00:48:50.400 --> 00:48:52.860
Maybe I was on my phone during this.

1167
00:48:55.920 --> 00:48:57.900
Far more excited watching it with you.

1168
00:48:57.960 --> 00:48:59.460
But I was on my own.

1169
00:48:59.519 --> 00:49:01.199
Oh boy.

1170
00:49:01.500 --> 00:49:04.500
So, all right, so they've gone.

1171
00:49:04.559 --> 00:49:06.900
And so the reptiloids.

1172
00:49:06.960 --> 00:49:09.420
I want to call them reptiloids, because of itchank is going to the

1173
00:49:09.420 --> 00:49:09.780
galaxy.

1174
00:49:09.840 --> 00:49:12.000
So the reptilians are gone with a weapon.

1175
00:49:12.059 --> 00:49:15.599
And so that's essentially the end of this part of the episode

1176
00:49:15.599 --> 00:49:16.199
isn't it?

1177
00:49:16.260 --> 00:49:19.139
So now it's all just kind of mopping up.

1178
00:49:19.199 --> 00:49:24.900
Um, uh, that's such a funny line.

1179
00:49:25.019 --> 00:49:26.579
That's such a funny line.

1180
00:49:26.639 --> 00:49:32.340
The, I'm afraid he's a bit of a mother handline is actually, poor

1181
00:49:32.340 --> 00:49:36.300
old Malcolm cracking a joke, which I think worked really well.

1182
00:49:36.360 --> 00:49:38.639
The 2 of them have a little moment of levity together.

1183
00:49:38.760 --> 00:49:40.679
Do you know what's not a great line?

1184
00:49:40.739 --> 00:49:42.300
Thanks for bringing her home.

1185
00:49:42.360 --> 00:49:44.219
Oh, all in a days while.

1186
00:49:44.280 --> 00:49:45.059
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1187
00:49:45.119 --> 00:49:46.800
Super terrible, isn't it?

1188
00:49:46.860 --> 00:49:47.639
kind of boring.

1189
00:49:47.699 --> 00:49:48.719
Is he dead now then, Hayes?

1190
00:49:48.840 --> 00:49:51.179
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1191
00:49:51.239 --> 00:49:54.059
I mean, I think I would rather have kept Hayes and killed Reed.

1192
00:49:54.119 --> 00:49:55.800
We should have sent read off on that mission.

1193
00:49:55.860 --> 00:49:57.539
Yeah, yeah.

1194
00:49:57.599 --> 00:49:58.199
Yeah.

1195
00:49:58.320 --> 00:50:00.599
Maybe that would have been more shocking as well.

1196
00:50:00.659 --> 00:50:03.239
It might have been a little change of thing.

1197
00:50:03.300 --> 00:50:04.199
Okay.

1198
00:50:04.260 --> 00:50:06.840
And I don't think it would have done the show any harm

1199
00:50:06.840 --> 00:50:07.380
whatsoever.

1200
00:50:07.440 --> 00:50:08.460
No, no.

1201
00:50:08.519 --> 00:50:12.119
Stephen Cobb's a proper guy, you know, like he's he's a thing.

1202
00:50:12.239 --> 00:50:16.920
What are those discs that Dr. Fox is holding up against him?

1203
00:50:16.980 --> 00:50:19.440
Oh, it's like a defibrillator, isn't it?

1204
00:50:19.920 --> 00:50:21.300
Okay.

1205
00:50:21.360 --> 00:50:22.739
Yeah, yeah.

1206
00:50:22.800 --> 00:50:26.639
It's most it's like that thing that they put around Tasha's head

1207
00:50:26.639 --> 00:50:28.199
to revive her.

1208
00:50:31.260 --> 00:50:32.880
Blob of blood.

1209
00:50:36.480 --> 00:50:40.199
You know what's unfortunate about Rick Worthy's costume?

1210
00:50:40.320 --> 00:50:43.139
It's got the same sort of fluffy white hair as his face.

1211
00:50:43.199 --> 00:50:46.320
So I'm like, I'm not sure where the costume ends and his face

1212
00:50:46.320 --> 00:50:46.920
begins.

1213
00:50:47.340 --> 00:50:51.480
Yeah, yeah, I know, down his shoulders and stuff. terrible.

1214
00:50:51.539 --> 00:50:55.079
Dude, does look a bit like he's wearing a mink coat, doesn't it?

1215
00:50:55.559 --> 00:50:57.119
so bad.

1216
00:50:57.239 --> 00:50:59.039
Oh, my God.

1217
00:50:59.039 --> 00:51:02.820
Fetch me my fabulous coat is I'm off to destroy a planet.

1218
00:51:04.199 --> 00:51:07.739
He looks so fucking dopey. right.

1219
00:51:07.800 --> 00:51:09.599
It says giant teeth.

1220
00:51:11.099 --> 00:51:14.519
He's like the Joan Collins of his own people.

1221
00:51:14.579 --> 00:51:15.780
Ooh.

1222
00:51:15.780 --> 00:51:21.360
Shall we launch it?

1223
00:51:21.420 --> 00:51:22.199
How do I look?

1224
00:51:22.260 --> 00:51:23.820
Okay, launch the swear.

1225
00:51:23.880 --> 00:51:24.360
Fabulous.

1226
00:51:24.599 --> 00:51:31.980
So fortunately, they've designed this so that Sphere 41, which

1227
00:51:31.980 --> 00:51:32.940
they've named.

1228
00:51:33.059 --> 00:51:34.019
Do you know what I mean?

1229
00:51:34.079 --> 00:51:36.420
They haven't decided to call it sphere one because it's the sphere

1230
00:51:36.420 --> 00:51:38.099
that if you destroyed all the other ones.

1231
00:51:38.099 --> 00:51:41.219
Just to make the hitchhikers joke, maybe.

1232
00:51:41.280 --> 00:51:43.619
But I would have called it sphere one if it was like, oh, here you

1233
00:51:43.619 --> 00:51:43.860
go.

1234
00:51:43.920 --> 00:51:47.940
I was thinking of you during this scene because it's like, uh, I

1235
00:51:47.940 --> 00:51:52.380
just, you know, like his, um, his major culp's dead, major culp

1236
00:51:52.380 --> 00:51:53.579
major Hayes is dead.

1237
00:51:53.639 --> 00:51:57.059
Now, I want you, now, I want you to all volunteer.

1238
00:51:57.119 --> 00:52:03.360
So everyone who wants to go on this deadly suicide mission.

1239
00:52:03.420 --> 00:52:04.980
Please step forward.

1240
00:52:06.179 --> 00:52:08.280
Do you know what I'd love to do?

1241
00:52:08.340 --> 00:52:12.659
Nathan, I'd love to do a supercar of all of these scenes in 90s

1242
00:52:12.659 --> 00:52:13.920
trek because there's so many of them.

1243
00:52:13.980 --> 00:52:17.039
But I want to insert me and every single one going.

1244
00:52:17.039 --> 00:52:19.139
No, no, you're right.

1245
00:52:19.199 --> 00:52:20.699
You go.

1246
00:52:21.840 --> 00:52:25.559
Or just find a scene of Mariner from Lower Decks.

1247
00:52:25.619 --> 00:52:27.960
Just going, no, you're okay.

1248
00:52:29.760 --> 00:52:32.760
It's a fuck all of those guys.

1249
00:52:32.820 --> 00:52:34.619
But it was men as well.

1250
00:52:34.679 --> 00:52:36.780
For God's sake, it's 2151.

1251
00:52:36.960 --> 00:52:39.119
We did see a woman earlier.

1252
00:52:39.179 --> 00:52:40.739
I think she got shot though, didn't she?

1253
00:52:40.800 --> 00:52:43.019
No, no, she was, maybe she was in hospital.

1254
00:52:43.079 --> 00:52:45.179
I don't know, but I mean, for God's sake.

1255
00:52:46.320 --> 00:52:48.599
Anthony Montgomery.

1256
00:52:48.659 --> 00:52:49.559
Is that Malcolm Reid?

1257
00:52:49.619 --> 00:52:50.639
Anthony Montgomery.

1258
00:52:50.699 --> 00:52:55.320
And I thought Anthony Montgomery was... don't know what his name

1259
00:52:55.320 --> 00:52:55.559
is.

1260
00:52:55.619 --> 00:52:56.219
What's his name?

1261
00:52:56.280 --> 00:52:57.179
I can't remember.

1262
00:52:57.239 --> 00:53:01.380
Anyway, he's got the thinnest lips of anyone in Star Wars, isn't

1263
00:53:01.380 --> 00:53:01.500
he?

1264
00:53:01.559 --> 00:53:02.699
very odd looking, I think.

1265
00:53:02.760 --> 00:53:05.159
He wouldn't be a good kisser, would he?

1266
00:53:05.219 --> 00:53:06.539
No, no.

1267
00:53:07.320 --> 00:53:11.219
Anti-Montgomery on the other hand. absolutely.

1268
00:53:11.280 --> 00:53:14.639
That's just that I love Billingsley.

1269
00:53:14.699 --> 00:53:18.780
The Zindi parasites were no match for my osmotic eel.

1270
00:53:19.019 --> 00:53:21.000
I love you so much.

1271
00:53:21.059 --> 00:53:23.460
Oh, it's not Montague.

1272
00:53:26.639 --> 00:53:29.099
You know what you needed in that role?

1273
00:53:29.159 --> 00:53:32.940
Somebody could just say this shit and make it utterly convincing

1274
00:53:32.940 --> 00:53:33.960
and it doesn't.

1275
00:53:34.019 --> 00:53:36.480
Like he's doing the drama here now.

1276
00:53:36.539 --> 00:53:37.440
Do you know what I mean?

1277
00:53:37.500 --> 00:53:39.599
No, you can't take traumatic action.

1278
00:53:39.659 --> 00:53:40.559
You can't take her.

1279
00:53:40.619 --> 00:53:45.659
You know, like this confrontation between the 2 of them is good.

1280
00:53:45.719 --> 00:53:47.880
And he's not being an asshole.

1281
00:53:47.940 --> 00:53:51.659
It's like Archer actually tones it down and convinces him.

1282
00:53:51.719 --> 00:53:55.860
But like he's selling it despite the, you know, denobulus.

1283
00:53:55.860 --> 00:53:57.900
Spoiled, doctor. for me.

1284
00:53:57.960 --> 00:54:01.199
Because I just saw him, he had a long shot there, wearing that 70s

1285
00:54:01.199 --> 00:54:03.000
swingers costume.

1286
00:54:03.119 --> 00:54:04.320
And that's all we all see now.

1287
00:54:04.380 --> 00:54:05.099
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1288
00:54:05.159 --> 00:54:06.960
Put your keys in the bowl.

1289
00:54:07.679 --> 00:54:10.559
Oh, look at these insectoids.

1290
00:54:10.980 --> 00:54:13.619
I want to see if they've got the nostrils.

1291
00:54:13.679 --> 00:54:15.659
It's a bit hard to tell.

1292
00:54:15.719 --> 00:54:17.219
I need a close up.

1293
00:54:17.280 --> 00:54:19.139
I mean, how do I reproduce?

1294
00:54:19.199 --> 00:54:20.219
don't want to know.

1295
00:54:20.280 --> 00:54:23.340
Well, flies look like that and they reproduce like flies.

1296
00:54:23.400 --> 00:54:25.320
So I'm sure that it's not a problem.

1297
00:54:25.380 --> 00:54:27.659
And I'm sure they find each other very attractive.

1298
00:54:27.719 --> 00:54:29.460
It is fun though, isn't it?

1299
00:54:29.519 --> 00:54:30.840
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1300
00:54:30.900 --> 00:54:33.119
I think there's something really fun and cartoony about the whole

1301
00:54:33.119 --> 00:54:36.000
idea of the Zindi and all of these different aliens and stuff.

1302
00:54:36.059 --> 00:54:37.260
Like, that's great.

1303
00:54:37.320 --> 00:54:40.260
That is great, but it's not the Dominion.

1304
00:54:40.320 --> 00:54:43.619
You gotta remember, we are just dipping into one episode, though.

1305
00:54:43.679 --> 00:54:48.360
Like, you know, a season of this where there's no substance and

1306
00:54:48.360 --> 00:54:48.900
relationships.

1307
00:54:48.960 --> 00:54:53.039
You're like, oh, God, almighty, you know, like, please.

1308
00:54:53.159 --> 00:54:55.320
No, it's still moving this.

1309
00:54:55.380 --> 00:54:59.639
We just killed the, we killed the insectoids for not being mad

1310
00:54:59.639 --> 00:55:00.000
enough.

1311
00:55:01.199 --> 00:55:04.619
It has got penultimate episode energy, doesn't it?

1312
00:55:04.679 --> 00:55:07.800
Oh, yeah, yeah, because things are at the very worst.

1313
00:55:07.860 --> 00:55:10.380
But what we're doing is we're kind of now splitting them off into

1314
00:55:10.380 --> 00:55:13.380
the 2 plots, the A plot and the B plot of the final episode.

1315
00:55:13.440 --> 00:55:19.019
So the A plot is going to be what, destroying the the weapon and

1316
00:55:19.019 --> 00:55:23.280
the B plot, which actually is probably we spend more time on

1317
00:55:23.280 --> 00:55:25.380
because it's the one with trip and to pile in it.

1318
00:55:25.380 --> 00:55:29.099
Look at them, God bless them. expect you to keep him in line.

1319
00:55:29.699 --> 00:55:32.400
Not a trip, sorry, just a ball.

1320
00:55:35.400 --> 00:55:39.300
There's no way of her looking comfortable in that Thai costume, is

1321
00:55:39.300 --> 00:55:39.480
there?

1322
00:55:39.539 --> 00:55:42.659
That's why we normally have lots of tighter shots than that.

1323
00:55:42.719 --> 00:55:44.039
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1324
00:55:44.099 --> 00:55:48.119
See, that's a, I think that's a really sort of lame way to end

1325
00:55:48.119 --> 00:55:48.480
it.

1326
00:55:48.539 --> 00:55:51.000
Well, especially when we had all of that action in the last

1327
00:55:51.000 --> 00:55:51.420
third.

1328
00:55:51.539 --> 00:55:54.719
If you could have ended it with a real and with a weapon sort of

1329
00:55:54.719 --> 00:55:56.880
just activating and then heading off.

1330
00:55:56.940 --> 00:55:59.219
That's where I figured they were going to go.

1331
00:55:59.280 --> 00:56:00.119
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1332
00:56:00.179 --> 00:56:03.179
I mean, it is very much that it ends in the place where it starts

1333
00:56:03.179 --> 00:56:03.840
isn't it?

1334
00:56:03.960 --> 00:56:06.480
Like it just basically ends where it starts with a weapon on its

1335
00:56:06.480 --> 00:56:07.800
way to earth, you know?

1336
00:56:07.860 --> 00:56:12.239
And we, I don't know, they arm it, I guess.

1337
00:56:12.300 --> 00:56:15.300
They stop to arm it and then we deal with it for a bit.

1338
00:56:15.420 --> 00:56:19.500
That's why I think the decision to say this is one part we're not

1339
00:56:19.500 --> 00:56:22.019
going to do both of them, even though I did it because I just

1340
00:56:22.019 --> 00:56:26.519
didn't want to do 2 episodes of enterprise in a row. was the right

1341
00:56:26.519 --> 00:56:28.679
one because this episode ends, doesn't it?

1342
00:56:28.739 --> 00:56:32.340
And then it sets up the, the, the next one.

1343
00:56:32.400 --> 00:56:35.519
And that approach to serialisation in this series, I think, works

1344
00:56:35.519 --> 00:56:37.559
really well and we'll pay off.

1345
00:56:37.559 --> 00:56:39.059
It doesn't even have a to be continued, does it?

1346
00:56:39.119 --> 00:56:40.199
No, no, it doesn't.

1347
00:56:40.320 --> 00:56:40.860
No, no, no.

1348
00:56:40.860 --> 00:56:44.460
Maybe that should be our new rule only when there's a to me.

1349
00:56:44.519 --> 00:56:46.440
Well, I think roughly speaking, that's the rule.

1350
00:56:47.039 --> 00:56:51.659
Um, I've got to say, I enjoyed that far more watching it with you

1351
00:56:51.659 --> 00:56:54.719
than I did the 2 times I watched it by myself.

1352
00:56:55.079 --> 00:56:59.159
I think your enthusiasm was rubbing off and on.

1353
00:56:59.219 --> 00:57:01.739
Yeah, I mean, I really liked it.

1354
00:57:01.800 --> 00:57:02.400
I had fun.

1355
00:57:03.059 --> 00:57:07.920
So we have done something like 16 episodes of Enterprise, right?

1356
00:57:07.980 --> 00:57:10.980
And we've mostly done season four.

1357
00:57:11.039 --> 00:57:14.219
So we've done 2 of season one.

1358
00:57:14.280 --> 00:57:15.599
We're saving the worst for last.

1359
00:57:15.659 --> 00:57:18.360
We are going to have to do some more season one.

1360
00:57:18.420 --> 00:57:19.199
We've only done two.

1361
00:57:19.260 --> 00:57:21.599
We've done 4 of season two.

1362
00:57:21.659 --> 00:57:26.519
We've done 4 of season 3 now, and we've done one, two, three, four

1363
00:57:26.519 --> 00:57:30.179
five, 6 of season four, including two, two parters.

1364
00:57:30.239 --> 00:57:34.440
The Mirror Universe one and then the finale 2 parter.

1365
00:57:34.860 --> 00:57:36.539
I don't know.

1366
00:57:36.599 --> 00:57:39.119
Like, I'm just growing to like it more.

1367
00:57:39.179 --> 00:57:41.699
Even though it's shit, and even though it has all of the flaws

1368
00:57:41.699 --> 00:57:46.440
that we pointed out, it is still Star Trek, and I like Star Trek.

1369
00:57:46.500 --> 00:57:50.940
I think I could pretty much divide enterprise into two. and 2 and

1370
00:57:50.940 --> 00:57:51.900
3 and four.

1371
00:57:51.960 --> 00:57:58.260
One and 2 I find very trying. and they're learning lessons that

1372
00:57:58.260 --> 00:58:01.920
frankly, they should have learned in the previous 2 series that

1373
00:58:01.920 --> 00:58:04.019
they worked on Foster Evan series of feasts.

1374
00:58:04.079 --> 00:58:05.099
Yeah.

1375
00:58:05.099 --> 00:58:10.139
But I think from 3 onwards, there's a desire, I think it's a

1376
00:58:10.139 --> 00:58:12.119
desire to try and keep Star Trek on the air.

1377
00:58:12.179 --> 00:58:13.440
They know time is running out.

1378
00:58:13.500 --> 00:58:15.420
So they're trying harder.

1379
00:58:15.539 --> 00:58:19.440
And certainly the latter half of series three.

1380
00:58:19.500 --> 00:58:20.820
I don't know why.

1381
00:58:20.880 --> 00:58:24.900
The next episode started and the reptilian people are eating

1382
00:58:24.900 --> 00:58:26.159
mice.

1383
00:58:26.219 --> 00:58:27.179
Mice, yeah.

1384
00:58:27.239 --> 00:58:31.559
So, do you remember V in the 1980s, you'll probably be young.

1385
00:58:31.619 --> 00:58:32.880
No, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1386
00:58:32.940 --> 00:58:34.320
Fabulous hair.

1387
00:58:34.380 --> 00:58:36.480
Yeah, yeah, yeah. lizard people.

1388
00:58:36.539 --> 00:58:37.559
Yeah, that's right.

1389
00:58:37.619 --> 00:58:40.260
But their big thing was that they ate rats, remember?

1390
00:58:40.320 --> 00:58:41.699
And so you would see that.

1391
00:58:41.760 --> 00:58:45.719
And so we got that here and we can do it with CG, so have them

1392
00:58:45.719 --> 00:58:47.639
regal before they drop into someone's mouth.

1393
00:58:47.699 --> 00:58:51.840
But that's them kind of toasting, you know, and they mention the

1394
00:58:51.840 --> 00:58:53.519
avians, Indy, who are extinct.

1395
00:58:53.579 --> 00:58:57.239
I think somewhere, just to finish that, well, in the middle of

1396
00:58:57.239 --> 00:59:01.860
series three, we hit sort of a Zassy Prime, which we've done.

1397
00:59:01.860 --> 00:59:05.639
And then it just sort of runs from that point on all the way to

1398
00:59:05.639 --> 00:59:06.059
the end.

1399
00:59:06.059 --> 00:59:08.400
And it is a bit predictable.

1400
00:59:08.460 --> 00:59:10.440
We know the weapon's eventually going to be activated.

1401
00:59:10.500 --> 00:59:11.940
You know, it's going to head towards Earth.

1402
00:59:12.000 --> 00:59:13.139
We know we're going to stop it.

1403
00:59:13.199 --> 00:59:18.960
But along the way, I keep saying the word ambitious, there's some

1404
00:59:18.960 --> 00:59:19.920
ambitious action.

1405
00:59:19.980 --> 00:59:21.539
There are some ambitious visuals.

1406
00:59:21.599 --> 00:59:23.820
I don't know, it is trying harder.

1407
00:59:23.880 --> 00:59:27.239
And then obviously in four, as we've already discussed.

1408
00:59:27.300 --> 00:59:29.579
Then they start making Star Trek.

1409
00:59:29.639 --> 00:59:30.840
Finally, yeah.

1410
00:59:30.900 --> 00:59:33.599
They start making Star Trek. and it's good Star Trek.

1411
00:59:33.659 --> 00:59:34.500
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1412
00:59:34.559 --> 00:59:34.980
So yeah.

1413
00:59:35.159 --> 00:59:36.000
So I think you're right.

1414
00:59:36.059 --> 00:59:38.940
There is stuff of worth in Enterprise.

1415
00:59:39.000 --> 00:59:44.340
My big sticking point will forever be that they're doing my

1416
00:59:44.340 --> 00:59:46.800
favourite show worse.

1417
00:59:46.860 --> 00:59:48.300
Yes, exactly.

1418
00:59:54.599 --> 00:59:58.380
All right, it's the end of the episode and it's time for us to

1419
00:59:58.380 --> 00:59:59.940
work out where we're going next.

1420
01:00:00.000 --> 01:00:02.460
This was my choice as always.

1421
01:00:02.519 --> 01:00:07.559
And so it's your turn, Joe, to decide what we're choosing from.

1422
01:00:07.619 --> 01:00:09.719
Have you made a decision?

1423
01:00:09.780 --> 01:00:12.659
I did, and I made a promise to you off mic last week.

1424
01:00:12.719 --> 01:00:13.559
That, you know what?

1425
01:00:13.619 --> 01:00:16.619
been a long time since we've gone to the original series.

1426
01:00:16.679 --> 01:00:18.119
We absolutely should head there.

1427
01:00:18.179 --> 01:00:21.300
But Nathan, you know, in age, twist shock.

1428
01:00:21.360 --> 01:00:24.780
I'm just having so much fun in the 90s.

1429
01:00:24.840 --> 01:00:28.199
Let's just do one more, just one more, and then we'll head off and

1430
01:00:28.199 --> 01:00:29.340
watch some good Star Trek.

1431
01:00:29.400 --> 01:00:30.780
Okay, that sounds like a plan.

1432
01:00:30.900 --> 01:00:32.400
So I put them all in.

1433
01:00:32.460 --> 01:00:35.940
Next gen, DS9, Voyager, and Enterprise.

1434
01:00:36.000 --> 01:00:36.840
Brilliant.

1435
01:00:36.900 --> 01:00:37.199
All right?

1436
01:00:37.260 --> 01:00:37.860
Okay.

1437
01:00:37.920 --> 01:00:38.760
Hey.

1438
01:00:39.360 --> 01:00:41.400
Ooh.

1439
01:00:41.460 --> 01:00:44.579
Your random Star Trek, the next generation episode is season

1440
01:00:44.579 --> 01:00:45.239
four.

1441
01:00:45.300 --> 01:00:46.500
Good sign.

1442
01:00:46.559 --> 01:00:50.219
Episode 21, The Drumhead.

1443
01:00:51.059 --> 01:00:54.420
Oh, no, let's do that.

1444
01:00:54.539 --> 01:00:56.039
Come on.

1445
01:00:56.099 --> 01:00:59.760
I brought down better men than you, Nathan Bottomleaf.

1446
01:00:59.820 --> 01:01:01.199
So then.

1447
01:01:01.260 --> 01:01:02.460
It's so good.

1448
01:01:02.519 --> 01:01:03.900
She's magnificent.

1449
01:01:03.960 --> 01:01:06.420
Oh, let's do it, boy.

1450
01:01:06.480 --> 01:01:07.619
Like all of that.

1451
01:01:07.679 --> 01:01:10.920
We've done a sort of a trial episode, have we?

1452
01:01:10.980 --> 01:01:13.139
There's so many of them, but I don't think they've done one yet.

1453
01:01:13.199 --> 01:01:13.739
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1454
01:01:13.800 --> 01:01:16.619
It is a thing, but I think it's a really, really good one.

1455
01:01:16.679 --> 01:01:21.119
And, um, you know, like kind of timely in a way because obviously

1456
01:01:21.119 --> 01:01:25.139
it's got all sorts of antecedents in, um, you know, the crucible

1457
01:01:25.139 --> 01:01:26.159
and stuff like that.

1458
01:01:26.219 --> 01:01:27.420
Like, it's proper.

1459
01:01:27.480 --> 01:01:32.639
How she sees the paranoia and it grows amongst people is so

1460
01:01:32.639 --> 01:01:33.539
disturbing.

1461
01:01:33.539 --> 01:01:36.059
Yeah, bloody. yeah let's do it.

1462
01:01:36.119 --> 01:01:38.579
I mean, I just think we need to. not gonna pull anything like

1463
01:01:38.579 --> 01:01:40.739
anything better than that out of my arse today, am I?

1464
01:01:40.800 --> 01:01:41.880
Absolutely not.

1465
01:01:42.000 --> 01:01:42.659
We're doing it.

1466
01:01:50.460 --> 01:01:54.480
You've been listening to entitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford

1467
01:01:54.480 --> 01:01:58.800
and Nathan Bottomley, where online at Untitled Star Trek Project

1468
01:01:57.900 --> 01:02:01.619
com, where you can find subscription links and links to our social

1469
01:02:01.619 --> 01:02:02.519
media accounts.

1470
01:02:02.579 --> 01:02:06.659
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Ciceran, and the theme was

1471
01:02:06.659 --> 01:02:08.579
composed by Cameron Lahn.

1472
01:02:08.699 --> 01:02:13.320
This episode was recorded on the 22nd of April 2025 and released

1473
01:02:13.320 --> 01:02:14.820
on the 25th of April.

1474
01:02:14.880 --> 01:02:18.900
We'll see you next time for Star Trek the Next Generation, the

1475
01:02:18.900 --> 01:02:19.739
Drumhead.

1476
01:02:34.800 --> 01:02:37.980
Just as what would we have had next?

1477
01:02:39.840 --> 01:02:41.460
Oh, no.

1478
01:02:41.460 --> 01:02:46.500
Voyager. concerning Fly featuring Leonardo da Vinci.

1479
01:02:46.559 --> 01:02:49.199
That's actually not so bad, but absolutely not.

1480
01:02:51.480 --> 01:02:55.679
The slippery slope, we can't start sort of 2nd guessing

1481
01:02:55.679 --> 01:02:56.099
ourselves.

1482
01:02:56.159 --> 01:02:57.420
It's definitely the drum head.

1483
01:02:57.599 --> 01:03:01.019
A superb speech from Picard at the end.

1484
01:03:01.079 --> 01:03:04.139
It just absolutely goes to show how they've learned how to give

1485
01:03:04.139 --> 01:03:08.400
Patrick Stewart a good speech. between justice and the drumhead.

1486
01:03:12.059 --> 01:03:14.099
That is a good choice.

1487
01:03:14.159 --> 01:03:15.780
I'm gonna have to run.