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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So, we're back aboard Enterprise with Countdown Series 3, Episode 23, and I have to confess that I am starting to enjoy it quite a bit.

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I'm so sorry for you.

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I don't think this is a good episode of Star Trek, but I didn't hate it, and I certainly kind of enjoyed it.

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I think it's got heaps of flaws and stuff, but things happen and it looks pretty in places.

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And there's one or 2 scenes that I think are quite good.

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But, uh, it's a lot of stuff happening and not very much comes of it and none of the things happening seem to happen to anyone and that's kind of a problem.

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It's a lot of talk about, you know, are the anomalies forming?

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Has the weapon been supercharged?

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What does any of this mean?

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There was some techna babble somewhere in the middle of the episode and I was so lost with what they were talking about.

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Maybe I needed to have watched the whole season. to understand the true nuance of all the Tekno Babble.

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My biggest issue with this, which I quite enjoyed this for the most part, mostly because I thought they were reaching for some visual ambition, and in a lot of cases, they got there.

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There's a few cases where they can't, but there's some money on the screen in this episode and they're they're pulling off visual effects in not just the standard Star Trek way of lots of spaceships.

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They're trying different kind of aliens as well.

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There's action on the screen.

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There's some good physical effects and all that.

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The thing I miss most, and I sort of sent you a message about this, is the humour, man, these people are so serious.

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Like, I know, geez, I know the planet Earth may be destroyed by this galactic superweapon of the Zindy.

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But fuck me.

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Like, everybody sits around in rooms very earnestly declaring just how terrible things are all the time.

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And what I miss is that sort of sardonic wit that you get in latter-day DS9 or the sort of camp humour of Wayon and Damar and stuff like that.

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Even the aliens in this, what are the big reptilians?

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I mean, they're just like, I mean, they're camping one way, but only because they are take themselves so seriously.

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You can't really get a joke out of, you know, the swimming tortoises that go about.

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And the weird insects, because you can't really understand what those clicky wiki noises that they're making are.

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And the Zindi themselves are incredibly serious too.

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So, yeah, there's not a lot of laughs here, is there?

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I'm like, right, we're trying to save the world, but if it's going to be populated with people like you, I don't know why we're bothering.

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I think part of the problem is that they don't want to do humour and they aren't funny and they can't relax.

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Why?

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And so I don't know.

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I know.

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But the other thing is, you can see them kind of trying to ape late Deep Space 9 with having a range of different aliens in a sort of big enemy conglomerate.

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But, like, think about it.

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Youve got Rick Worthy with a fucking latex sack on his head, that beautiful man with that just absurd fucking mask with the teeth and all of that.

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And he's the only one who's got a name.

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Oh, I think the main Zindy reptilian is called Dolum.

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And Rick Worthy's character has a name, his Janar, apparently, but Tucker Smallwood.

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Dolum and Janai.

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I know.

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Space names.

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And Tucker Smallwood, who is the Zindi Primate Counsellor.

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He had to resort to making up his own name because he didn't get one kind of in the show.

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And then you've got sort of poundland female shapeshifter there.

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And, you know, like, it's all just trying to be that, but what it misses is just the fun interactions between those characters. relationships.

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Yeah, I think we'll go on about all the time on DS9 is that it's a massive soap.

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This is all of that without the soap.

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No, that's exactly right.

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And you, you know, you've given Tripp a real investment in this, but he doesn't do anything other than his job.

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And with the exception of one scene with Tapole.

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Oh, there's another scene as well.

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There's a couple of scenes.

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I mean, like, I think, you know, because you've got Trip and you've got, like, like Connor and Jolene are the best 2 actors on the show.

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Billingsley as well.

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Putting them together was a sadly very, wasn't it?

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And that the scene with the 2 of them, I think, is the absolute highlight of the show.

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Just because Jolene finds things to do with this shitty dialogue.

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She's much, much better than she needs to be.

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And I think much better than most people realise she's really thoughtful, I think.

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And she does a really great job.

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There's lots of sound and noise and things.

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We start chasing the ball to earth.

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It's on its way to earth and we're chasing it.

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At the end of the episode.

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We're still chasing it. you know what I mean?

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Like, like, not a great deal has happened.

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That's basically the last 3 episodes, isn't it?

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You watched the last one.

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They spend quite a bit of time changing that form with that one as well, don't they?

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I did actually watch the last one and was absolutely baffled.

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I'd forgotten that Stormfront parts one and two, start series nine.

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So we don't even get to see them go back to earth in triumph, which I just think is bafflingly stupid.

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Oh, I can remember...

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I'm watching us through this for 24 episodes.

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Why aren't you showing us the consequences?

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The relief.

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You know, we do get there with home in series four.

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But we have to get through all that weird stuff with the Nazis first.

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The one I remember about 0 hour is Captain Archer standing on that ball with dreadful CGI behind him fighting the Cindy Man.

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Is it as bad as I remember?

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Like, I thought it was pretty great.

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Like I had fun watching the 2 episodes in order, I have to say.

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Like, it was a big kind of dumb action thing.

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It was pretty enjoyable.

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It looked great in places that looked cheesy as hell in places.

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All of the things that we want from Star Trek.

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But it doesn't really have a heart.

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It doesn't seem to ever be happening to anyone.

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Beyond the fact that sort of those latter-day DS9 arcs had the relationships that have been established and so all of that character stuff like pays off in those arcs in brilliant ways.

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It's also got the political landscape of the Alpha Quadrant, which we have been adding detail to since the early days of TNG.

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So when the pieces are manoeuvred, it all means something, you know, we understand what it means.

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We understand those races.

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What the hell, the Cindy man, like, I don't understand really how this thing is structured.

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I don't really understand how these creatures all came together.

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I don't really understand why they're trying to destroy the earth.

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So all of it's a bit ambiguous.

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Well, I have to say, though, that one thing that this season does well is that the kind of overall structure of the arc is pretty good in that we do learn why there's India doing what they're doing.

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And we do learn where the Delphic expanse comes from and how it comes to be.

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It's quite complicated, though, isn't it?

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That something in the future happens, which means they come back to the past, very Star Trek.

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I think it might be proving ground.

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It's certainly in one of the episodes that we've done, where Daniels takes Archer into the future.

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I remember the Enterprise J.

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And it was in a big corridor, weren't they?

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Yeah, and watching a space battle.

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Yeah, it looked really good.

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And so the idea was that the Federation was going to defeat the Zindi who were going to attack.

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And so what the Zindi did was they persuade.

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No, the, the, yeah, no, wait.

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The Federation was going to...

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The Federation was going to defeat the sound too sure, Nathan.

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Yeah, now I don't know.

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I think the Federation was going to put a stop to the sphere builders.

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And so the sphere builders convinced the Zindi that Earth was going to attack them so as to destroy the Federation in the past so that they could go on and continue terraforming the galaxy, which is what the Delphic expanse is.

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So the Delphic expanse is generated by the spheres.

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And so when you see them creating the anomalies, you know, they're creating the anomalies, they've caused all of the weirdness that happened at the beginning of series 3.

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And I thought all of that kind of fits together well and we discover it in some kind of order throughout the season.

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I, like, I don't think they do a bad job of that.

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Not quite sure how to feel about any of that, though.

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How am I supposed to like have an emotional reaction to any of that?

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Whereas, you know, like the very simple idea of, oh, once upon a time, the changing were hunted throughout the universe, and so as a result, they've built up a power base and they are going to control the entire universe, so it never happens again.

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Nice and simple.

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Absolutely relatable.

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But I mean, I think Star Trek can afford to be a little bit more complicated, but the problem is, and and like, again, they don't have the years that Deep Space 9 had to build up the Dominion organically.

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Like they just had to say, all right, we want lots of different aliens in this thing.

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We'll just make them up and just dump them in the show as is.

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And that was the only alternative that they had.

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But what they didn't ever do was create interesting characters.

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And I just think it's telling that you've got Degra, who is reasonably interesting.

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The most interesting of all of the characters this year.

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And he's just died, the previous episode.

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Unfortunately, isn't it?

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Yeah.

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And so all we have is Rick Worthy and Tucker Smallwood.

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And neither of them have names.

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They're great actors, but none of them have any characteristics as characters.

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I don't know what they're like.

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Anything about them, you know.

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If they looked at the script, sort of, together for a go. does all this mean?

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Just sell it.

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Just sell it, all right?

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Just Star Trek, it'll be fine.

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I have to sell that episode of the Exiles home.

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All right.

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Just sell it.

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So anyway, look, I think it's fun.

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It's sort of fairly dumb, but it's kind of fine.

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The one thing I truly appreciate about this season is that on every level they're trying to be more ambitious than they were before.

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Yeah.

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In terms of how they're plotting out a year.

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In terms of what they're doing with their regular characters, because they give trip and to Paul and Archer, you know, they put them in a lot of extreme situations, it is mostly just the Trinity.

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Although Hoshi gets something to do this week, I was quite pleased to see for once, just get tortured mostly, but something. should take anything.

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And absolutely visually.

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They have raised their game and then some because the shit they were putting out in one and two.

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I like, but just like on the page as well.

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Do you remember like Strange New World?

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We were going to a planet.

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That's it.

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Yeah, that's the big official hook.

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We've been doing that for 15 fucking seasons, for God's sakes. you know.

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Now they're like, no, we're going to go underwater and we're going to go into Delphic realms with huge super weapons being built and things like.

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Like they're really, really raised their game.

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The sad thing is it's too little too late.

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I think maybe if Enterprise had started on this note.

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It might have had a few more years left in it.

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I don't know.

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I don't know.

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I mean, I've made the point before that in order to do it, they had to jettison Star Trek, and that's a problem, and it's almost acknowledged actually in this episode where Archer says it will be nice to get back to our actual mission, after all this is over, and I was thinking, yes, that would be nice.

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And it turns out it is, do you know what I mean?

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Because it manages to retain the serialised storytelling.

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It changes the characters and gives them things to do and new things to do.

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It just feels a bit more epic because the status quo keeps changing in series 4.

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And learning, aren't they?

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They're definitely learning.

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I just, I wonder if there's enough story here for a 26 episode season.

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I wonder if this would sit better today in our sort of 10 to 12 episode seasons where you could tell a really tight version of the Zindi Arc.

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Imagine how good it would look today as well.

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Well, I mean, I think there's something, you know, there's a parallel between that and series 4 of Discovery, isn't there, where there's a giant superweapon that's destroyed a planet, and then we have to go and find the people who did it and try and communicate with them.

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And of course, it's not we try and blow the shit out of them because it's still Star Trek.

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They're not going to jettison Star Trek.

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But it is very similar and it's serialised and it works incredibly well.

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Oh, they're not just tearing chunks out of planets in that.

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They're destroying entire world.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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They do have the stakes.

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Well, I suppose we should go and watch this thing and see just how exciting the anomalies and the super weapons are.

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They're pretty exciting.

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All right.

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Oh, not the design of it, that big ball.

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It's great.

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All right.

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I am going to get us in then in that case. 5, 4, 3, 2, one, and we're off.

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Previously on Enterprise.

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Yeah.

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Now, I didn't know half of this, but it is pretty exciting.

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So here's Degra.

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The shuttle pod looks really great.

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Oh yeah.

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So the Maco thing gets Mako. that seems to be how Malcolm pronounces it.

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The Makos get...

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Oh, can we talk about Malcolm Reed later, please?

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Yeah, I think that that scene is actually pretty good, but I think the problem is that maybe he's not all that good.

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He's not good at all.

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I feel like that could be quite moving.

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Oh, look, there is that enormous thing.

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I know, it looks amazing, doesn't it?

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It is great design.

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Yeah. less amazing though.

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However, oh, there's indie...

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Insectoids.

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Terrible.

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I feel so sorry for Scott McDonald in that hideous costume surrounding all that by all that wire.

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Oh, the, um, no, he's the reptilian.

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Yeah, it's called the time.

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I think he got takes.

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Emarks about 8.2 on the Beaumarian scale.

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Yeah, I actually don't think they're that terrible.

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Like, it's a fairly detailed mask and they've made it...

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Oh, but they look...

221
00:15:05.879 --> 00:15:07.019
But that's so silly.

222
00:15:07.080 --> 00:15:07.740
That's not bad.

223
00:15:07.799 --> 00:15:08.639
Why is that bad?

224
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You know.

225
00:15:09.240 --> 00:15:09.899
Oh my god.

226
00:15:09.960 --> 00:15:12.600
Linda Parks opened his script up.

227
00:15:12.659 --> 00:15:12.960
What?

228
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I get the 1st scene.

229
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I get the 1st second.

230
00:15:15.240 --> 00:15:16.379
I am unconscious though.

231
00:15:16.440 --> 00:15:17.700
Oh, no, here she is.

232
00:15:17.759 --> 00:15:27.120
So she was beamed off the Enterprise Bridge at the end of the last episode. which was called the Council.

233
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The council.

234
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Oh, God.

235
00:15:31.139 --> 00:15:33.179
Oh, that's him, finally.

236
00:15:33.179 --> 00:15:34.740
I need to work on these titles, though, don't they?

237
00:15:34.799 --> 00:15:35.580
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

238
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Do you not remember the heady days of Wrongs Darker than Death and Knights?

239
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Before the world is hollow and I have touched the sky.

240
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In the pale moonlight.

241
00:15:47.639 --> 00:15:50.940
So this guy has been in it quite a lot.

242
00:15:51.000 --> 00:15:51.899
Hasn't he?

243
00:15:51.899 --> 00:15:54.299
Like, so Scott McDonald, we know him from something else?

244
00:15:54.360 --> 00:15:55.019
Yes.

245
00:15:55.080 --> 00:15:56.519
Oh, good grief.

246
00:15:56.580 --> 00:16:00.600
You absolutely thought he was incredibly good in rocks and shoals.

247
00:16:00.659 --> 00:16:01.919
He was the head Gemadar.

248
00:16:01.980 --> 00:16:03.179
Oh, okay.

249
00:16:03.240 --> 00:16:03.779
All right.

250
00:16:03.840 --> 00:16:05.039
So he's used to latex.

251
00:16:05.159 --> 00:16:08.279
Well, yeah, but he gave, he got some decent material on that.

252
00:16:08.340 --> 00:16:09.600
He gave a wonderful performance.

253
00:16:09.659 --> 00:16:13.320
He was also Tosk in their 1st season.

254
00:16:13.320 --> 00:16:14.639
Yeah, so getting captive pursues.

255
00:16:14.700 --> 00:16:15.539
Brilliant.

256
00:16:15.600 --> 00:16:18.120
I feel like he's just getting stupider as he goes along.

257
00:16:18.179 --> 00:16:18.600
Really?

258
00:16:18.659 --> 00:16:20.460
I think that's really exciting.

259
00:16:20.519 --> 00:16:24.840
I have to say that this is unpleasant to watch. and kind of horrible.

260
00:16:24.899 --> 00:16:25.799
Do you know what I mean?

261
00:16:25.860 --> 00:16:27.419
Like, this is sort of hard.

262
00:16:27.480 --> 00:16:29.100
We cut to her later on when they rescue her.

263
00:16:29.159 --> 00:16:30.960
She's really bruised and beaten.

264
00:16:31.019 --> 00:16:31.860
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

265
00:16:31.919 --> 00:16:43.320
And then you've got, like to the point where, you know, Archer still is dragging her around, you know, from place to place, even though she's recuperating in hospital and stuff.

266
00:16:43.379 --> 00:17:07.259
So it is pretty nasty in the scene where she kind of goes to throw herself down into the thing so that she, like there's one moment, which I think is really great, which is not a Hoshi acting moment, like it's not Linda getting to act, but it's when Dolum discovers that instead of decoding the 3 codes, she's added an additional encryption layer, which I just thought was really great.

267
00:17:07.319 --> 00:17:09.900
Like, that just shows how awesome Ho she is.

268
00:17:09.960 --> 00:17:16.380
But it wasn't Linda Park getting to be awesome, which was a shame because she's mostly unconscious or hypnotised for this.

269
00:17:16.440 --> 00:17:19.920
And it is annoying because usually when they give her something to do.

270
00:17:19.980 --> 00:17:20.759
She's good.

271
00:17:20.819 --> 00:17:22.259
She's a good actress.

272
00:17:22.319 --> 00:17:25.980
Do you not think they could have beefed up this music for series three?

273
00:17:26.039 --> 00:17:28.259
you know, trying to do this sort of macho arc.

274
00:17:28.319 --> 00:17:30.000
They could have done a rock version of the theme tune.

275
00:17:30.119 --> 00:17:31.559
They do beef it up though.

276
00:17:31.619 --> 00:17:37.799
I think it is a little bit It's a little bit like the way that the Deep Space 9 theme gets beefed up in series four.

277
00:17:37.859 --> 00:17:39.420
They do.

278
00:17:39.420 --> 00:17:42.180
Not as much as they beef it up in that alternative universe episode.

279
00:17:42.240 --> 00:17:43.799
No, that's true.

280
00:17:43.859 --> 00:17:45.059
Oh, that is true.

281
00:17:45.420 --> 00:17:49.680
I just fancy, imagine like kiss singing this song, you know, something like that.

282
00:17:49.740 --> 00:17:50.640
That's what I'm thinking.

283
00:17:50.700 --> 00:17:53.700
No, I still like the dad core middle of the road.

284
00:17:55.440 --> 00:17:57.839
Oh, God. love it.

285
00:17:57.900 --> 00:18:01.079
It's just so strange to go from all this action to that song.

286
00:18:01.140 --> 00:18:01.799
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

287
00:18:01.859 --> 00:18:03.900
It's a bit jarring, isn't it?

288
00:18:03.960 --> 00:18:06.119
See this looks great, doesn't it?

289
00:18:06.180 --> 00:18:16.500
And of course, they've been able to trash the enterprise for the 1st time over a series of episodes, the main ship of a Star Trek show has been distressed, you know.

290
00:18:16.559 --> 00:18:19.319
That might be the best thing they do.

291
00:18:19.319 --> 00:18:20.339
Yeah.

292
00:18:20.400 --> 00:18:30.539
Because we watched it getting pummelled, but then there's a wonderful episode afterwards where every scene, you could see sparks flying as they're trying to weld bits of it together.

293
00:18:30.599 --> 00:18:31.799
It's great, isn't it?

294
00:18:31.859 --> 00:18:34.680
They truly want to convince it, it's sort of dire straits.

295
00:18:34.740 --> 00:18:39.000
So this is Stephen Culp, is that right?

296
00:18:39.119 --> 00:18:42.900
And he is in everything, I think.

297
00:18:42.960 --> 00:18:48.180
He does lots of sort of genre stuff and he's properly good, I think, in this.

298
00:18:48.240 --> 00:18:49.319
I think he's very good in this.

299
00:18:49.380 --> 00:18:53.339
Well, is he having a relationship with this woman that Malcolm Reid's failed to bring back?

300
00:18:53.400 --> 00:18:55.380
No, was it a woman I didn't even know?

301
00:18:55.440 --> 00:18:56.940
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

302
00:18:57.000 --> 00:18:58.619
I think the point is...

303
00:18:58.619 --> 00:19:01.140
That's why that's why he goes, you know where he goes to get Hoshi?

304
00:19:01.200 --> 00:19:06.180
I think it's the parallel, is they're both bringing back a woman that they're kind of woman that we didn't save.

305
00:19:06.240 --> 00:19:11.940
So, I mean, so there's been tension between the 2 of them in a sort of fairly boring way.

306
00:19:12.119 --> 00:19:13.380
And there is a...

307
00:19:13.380 --> 00:19:15.240
Have you seen that episode?

308
00:19:15.240 --> 00:19:21.180
Where they literally slug it out for 45 minutes, they have a series of punch-ups.

309
00:19:21.240 --> 00:19:23.160
Oh God, it's so tedious.

310
00:19:23.700 --> 00:19:27.420
I mean, there's stuff there for Malcolm to do.

311
00:19:27.480 --> 00:19:32.460
It's not obviously like emotional stuff because fuck an hell look at Rick Worthy.

312
00:19:32.519 --> 00:19:35.940
What to this pan...

313
00:19:36.000 --> 00:19:37.140
Which one's Rick Worthy?

314
00:19:37.200 --> 00:19:38.579
Is he the one that's got all the hair on it?

315
00:19:38.640 --> 00:19:45.900
No, no, that's trick worthy, the arboreal, and that's, um, that stuck a small wood there with the kind of...

316
00:19:45.900 --> 00:19:47.220
Directed by the worst Robert.

317
00:19:47.279 --> 00:19:47.759
Did you know it?

318
00:19:47.819 --> 00:19:48.720
It's the worst, Robert.

319
00:19:48.779 --> 00:19:51.900
So the worst Robert does 4 voyages and 4 enterprises.

320
00:19:51.900 --> 00:19:54.599
He's not a bad director.

321
00:19:54.660 --> 00:19:55.200
It's all right.

322
00:19:55.259 --> 00:19:58.680
We've never seen him direct before on untitled Star Trek project.

323
00:19:58.740 --> 00:20:00.660
I think that this is his last one.

324
00:20:01.019 --> 00:20:04.259
He did he did one voyage.

325
00:20:04.319 --> 00:20:09.900
I know he started with the one with Kate Mulgrew, you know, questioning a religion.

326
00:20:09.960 --> 00:20:10.559
It was that episode.

327
00:20:10.619 --> 00:20:12.000
Oh, sacred ground.

328
00:20:12.059 --> 00:20:12.720
Sacred ground.

329
00:20:12.779 --> 00:20:16.619
But he does go on to do a couple of absolute bangers.

330
00:20:16.680 --> 00:20:19.559
I thought he directed the action really well here.

331
00:20:19.619 --> 00:20:25.019
I do think that I do have struggle with pace, an enterprise.

332
00:20:25.079 --> 00:20:30.240
They want it to be like furious, but instead it's sort of just a trot, you know?

333
00:20:30.539 --> 00:20:36.660
I mean, I think this is this, again, this slows the whole thing down, but this is the best scene in the episode, I think.

334
00:20:37.500 --> 00:20:43.380
Well, I quite like the tennis scene as well that they have, where they talk about, I think that's very good too.

335
00:20:43.440 --> 00:20:49.680
But they do put a joke in that scene and then it makes me quite pleased that this is as serious as it is.

336
00:20:49.740 --> 00:20:53.460
Do you remember the joke about chef and the steaks?

337
00:20:53.519 --> 00:20:54.960
Yeah, yeah.

338
00:20:55.140 --> 00:20:56.819
It's not good.

339
00:20:56.880 --> 00:21:00.779
They can't write funny jokes, you know, it's baffling.

340
00:21:01.200 --> 00:21:04.259
So, I mean, this is all very kind of functional.

341
00:21:04.319 --> 00:21:05.700
Maybe just a scene later.

342
00:21:05.759 --> 00:21:06.420
Maybe I'm wrong.

343
00:21:06.480 --> 00:21:09.660
Maybe it's, but it is a scene later when they're working.

344
00:21:09.779 --> 00:21:13.259
I mean, this is just sort of setting the whole thing up, isn't it?

345
00:21:13.319 --> 00:21:16.079
But there's something about, I think, I don't know.

346
00:21:16.140 --> 00:21:21.119
Is it just that they're the 2 sexiest people on the ship, but they're also incredibly childish.

347
00:21:21.180 --> 00:21:26.579
I just going to say to you, every time Tucker gets a close-up, I do want to reach in and kiss him.

348
00:21:26.640 --> 00:21:28.079
Yeah, he's beautiful.

349
00:21:28.140 --> 00:21:29.640
And she's beautiful.

350
00:21:29.700 --> 00:21:30.779
She's obviously beautiful.

351
00:21:30.839 --> 00:21:31.980
They're both there for that reason.

352
00:21:32.039 --> 00:21:34.140
The scene is later.

353
00:21:34.200 --> 00:21:48.420
And because the 2 of them have been having a thing and because, um, you know, um, poor old Jolene's character has been going through a lot this season, um, oh, she got addicted to drugs, didn't she?

354
00:21:48.480 --> 00:21:48.839
At one point.

355
00:21:48.900 --> 00:21:49.799
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

356
00:21:49.859 --> 00:21:50.099
Yeah.

357
00:21:50.160 --> 00:21:51.359
I can't remember what it's called.

358
00:21:51.420 --> 00:21:54.240
It was a very Star Trek name for a drug though.

359
00:21:55.140 --> 00:21:56.519
Yes.

360
00:21:56.579 --> 00:21:59.279
Oh, more of Hoshi being tortured here.

361
00:21:59.339 --> 00:22:00.359
Very pleasant to watch.

362
00:22:00.420 --> 00:22:02.579
Yeah, yeah, yeah. just think that's horrible.

363
00:22:03.119 --> 00:22:06.660
She lets out a ripper of a scream in that scene.

364
00:22:07.259 --> 00:22:09.000
Where I sort of recoiled.

365
00:22:09.059 --> 00:22:09.720
I was like, wow.

366
00:22:09.779 --> 00:22:12.660
Well, in fact, that's a bit of a problem, isn't it?

367
00:22:12.720 --> 00:22:13.319
Do you know what I mean?

368
00:22:13.380 --> 00:22:14.220
Because that makes it worse.

369
00:22:14.279 --> 00:22:16.859
If it's a cartoon, then it doesn't matter.

370
00:22:16.920 --> 00:22:22.500
If there, if you're not going to deal with the consequences, then don't make it so horrible.

371
00:22:22.799 --> 00:22:30.480
You know, Nathan, nature has created many sort of beautiful and interesting and quirky and unusual species.

372
00:22:30.539 --> 00:22:33.839
I've never seen anything quite like that man on the right there though.

373
00:22:33.900 --> 00:22:37.440
All of that. unpleasant hair all over his face.

374
00:22:37.500 --> 00:22:43.680
So look at them because they have these extra nostrils just at the top of their cheekbones.

375
00:22:43.740 --> 00:22:47.339
And all of the Zindi hab.

376
00:22:47.759 --> 00:22:50.819
All of the different nose issues.

377
00:22:50.880 --> 00:22:51.299
Yeah, yeah.

378
00:22:51.299 --> 00:22:54.539
The woman with no nose. extra nostrils.

379
00:22:54.660 --> 00:23:01.019
No, but you, look, the next time we have a close-up of, of, um, Rick and Tucker.

380
00:23:01.079 --> 00:23:05.160
Look, see, both of them have those nostrils just under their eyes.

381
00:23:05.220 --> 00:23:07.079
That was too short, that shot.

382
00:23:07.140 --> 00:23:08.519
But keep an eye out for it.

383
00:23:08.579 --> 00:23:11.039
And the insectoids and the reptilians have it as well.

384
00:23:11.099 --> 00:23:16.019
And look, there it is under the amphibian's eye as well, not the amphibian, the aquatic.

385
00:23:16.079 --> 00:23:17.339
So they all have it.

386
00:23:17.400 --> 00:23:19.619
So they all evolved on the same planet.

387
00:23:19.680 --> 00:23:22.799
It's a planet that evolved 6 sentient races.

388
00:23:22.859 --> 00:23:27.539
We get a mention of the avians at the beginning of the next episode and they've died out.

389
00:23:27.660 --> 00:23:29.400
And so what?

390
00:23:29.460 --> 00:23:32.759
They've all come together under the umbrella term of the Zindy.

391
00:23:32.819 --> 00:23:34.740
Yeah, because they come from the same planet.

392
00:23:34.799 --> 00:23:37.019
So we've just evolved one.

393
00:23:37.079 --> 00:23:47.819
We used to have more than one intelligent species on Earth, but I don't know what happened and now it's just, but now these guys have six.

394
00:23:47.880 --> 00:23:53.819
Much like planet Earth, politically, it's all a bit tenuous and there's lots of infighting going on.

395
00:23:53.819 --> 00:23:54.240
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

396
00:23:54.240 --> 00:23:54.900
All of that.

397
00:23:54.960 --> 00:23:57.359
But none of it's very interesting, though, is it?

398
00:23:57.420 --> 00:23:58.259
No, no.

399
00:23:58.319 --> 00:24:07.920
Although, like, there is something here, like we get these guys characterise, like the whale guys are kind of smart and slow moving.

400
00:24:07.980 --> 00:24:20.640
And like this bit here where Rickworthy manages to convey through the fucking latex sack on his head that he's nervous about water. you know, like he's he's visibly anxious.

401
00:24:20.700 --> 00:24:22.680
Holy shit, he's so pretty.

402
00:24:22.740 --> 00:24:23.400
What have they done?

403
00:24:23.460 --> 00:24:24.240
It's just insane.

404
00:24:24.299 --> 00:24:25.200
I love.

405
00:24:25.259 --> 00:24:25.680
Do you know what?

406
00:24:25.740 --> 00:24:31.619
I think the special effects aren't there to show these aquatic creatures.

407
00:24:31.680 --> 00:24:33.599
But I love that they went there.

408
00:24:33.660 --> 00:24:35.039
Oh yeah, me too.

409
00:24:35.099 --> 00:24:38.039
I think just something a bit and the insect toys.

410
00:24:38.099 --> 00:24:40.380
The insect toys are even worse in CGI terms.

411
00:24:40.440 --> 00:24:43.980
I mean, the insectoids are better than those 8472.

412
00:24:44.160 --> 00:24:46.140
Let's, be fair.

413
00:24:46.200 --> 00:24:47.099
Well, I'd hope so.

414
00:24:47.160 --> 00:24:48.539
We're a few years on from there now.

415
00:24:48.660 --> 00:24:49.019
Yeah, yeah.

416
00:24:49.079 --> 00:24:50.579
No, that's our 1st attempt.

417
00:24:50.640 --> 00:24:51.900
This is 2004.

418
00:24:52.140 --> 00:24:53.579
So it's a...

419
00:24:53.640 --> 00:24:54.480
But you know, kind of later.

420
00:24:54.539 --> 00:25:01.500
I know we've just signed they just did various types of latex with the shapeshifters and the Jem'adar and the water.

421
00:25:01.559 --> 00:25:05.880
But they put all the energy into the characterisation of them.

422
00:25:05.940 --> 00:25:17.579
And that's where you need to do it, you know, like, you're doing something that is, it is interesting to look at in comparison to DS9, but it's not as interesting to watch.

423
00:25:17.640 --> 00:25:18.480
No.

424
00:25:18.539 --> 00:25:19.619
I think that scene.

425
00:25:19.680 --> 00:25:22.259
I mean, in this scene, Archer is the only one with a name.

426
00:25:22.319 --> 00:25:26.220
Like, I don't think Rick Worthy's character gets called by name in this episode at all.

427
00:25:26.279 --> 00:25:28.799
I think I just found it from the credits.

428
00:25:28.859 --> 00:25:37.920
I was chuckling to myself watching Scott Bacula clearly talking to just a pane of glass, but giving all the emotion he possibly can to it.

429
00:25:37.980 --> 00:25:41.220
Yeah, I mean, he's doing okay here, isn't he?

430
00:25:41.279 --> 00:25:44.759
Like, I mean, why are they given?

431
00:25:44.819 --> 00:25:46.019
is it Rick worthy on the right there?

432
00:25:46.079 --> 00:25:47.099
Is that worthy?

433
00:25:47.160 --> 00:25:50.400
Why have they given him those teeth that make him look really stupid?

434
00:25:50.759 --> 00:25:52.980
They really do, don't they?

435
00:25:53.039 --> 00:25:54.599
You know, like the class dumps.

436
00:25:54.660 --> 00:25:55.740
That's what you look like.

437
00:25:55.799 --> 00:25:57.839
He's got like big cleetus teeth.

438
00:25:57.900 --> 00:25:59.640
Like, it's ridiculous.

439
00:26:00.900 --> 00:26:04.319
He looks like a mutant Easter bunny, doesn't he?

440
00:26:04.500 --> 00:26:06.900
I mean, very strange.

441
00:26:06.960 --> 00:26:09.779
The terrible thing is he's supposed to be an ape, right?

442
00:26:09.839 --> 00:26:11.039
He's an arboreal.

443
00:26:11.099 --> 00:26:14.759
So you've got the indie primates and there's indie arboreals.

444
00:26:14.819 --> 00:26:16.859
But surely they both have to be primates.

445
00:26:16.920 --> 00:26:19.859
I don't quite understand that, but the arboreals live in trees.

446
00:26:19.920 --> 00:26:21.240
And so they're apes.

447
00:26:21.240 --> 00:26:25.500
In a massive lapse of taste, they've given that job to a black man.

448
00:26:25.500 --> 00:26:26.940
Sorry to interrupt you.

449
00:26:27.000 --> 00:26:31.500
This shot here when they walk into where the food weapon is. good, isn't it?

450
00:26:31.559 --> 00:26:37.500
It goes from a CGI shop of them walking across the gantries with all of that detail around them.

451
00:26:37.500 --> 00:26:42.420
To a physical set with that rotating ball inside of it.

452
00:26:42.480 --> 00:26:44.400
I was utterly sold.

453
00:26:44.880 --> 00:26:51.900
It's really good And it establishes the walkway that archers running, you know, when he sets the thing to explode.

454
00:26:52.019 --> 00:26:54.119
He runs on that entry.

455
00:26:54.180 --> 00:27:04.680
You know, like it sets up that space for this episode and the next episode, and it's where the climax happens, and it looks stunning, and even the set looks great.

456
00:27:04.740 --> 00:27:06.299
There's heaps of negative space.

457
00:27:06.359 --> 00:27:12.059
The green and purple are good colours, like it looks really good.

458
00:27:12.119 --> 00:27:15.420
It looks good on the reptilian's outfits.

459
00:27:15.480 --> 00:27:17.700
I think like it's a really, really good set.

460
00:27:17.759 --> 00:27:23.519
The ball, the rotating ball, which reminds us that we're in a giant fucking rotating ball.

461
00:27:23.579 --> 00:27:24.119
Do you know what I mean?

462
00:27:24.180 --> 00:27:26.759
So they have a rotating ball in there just to remind us of it.

463
00:27:26.819 --> 00:27:29.519
That you recognise the rotating ball?

464
00:27:29.579 --> 00:27:30.660
No.

465
00:27:30.660 --> 00:27:37.680
It's the mine from minefield, the most recent episode of untitled star of...

466
00:27:37.680 --> 00:27:38.940
Just spinning around.

467
00:27:39.240 --> 00:27:39.660
Yeah, yeah.

468
00:27:39.660 --> 00:27:41.339
Oh, at least they got some use out of it.

469
00:27:41.579 --> 00:27:46.440
It's not often I look at a Star Trek set and say, God, I'd love to have one of those in my house.

470
00:27:46.559 --> 00:27:48.240
It's like really cool.

471
00:27:48.299 --> 00:27:48.839
Yeah.

472
00:27:48.839 --> 00:27:55.920
I mean, clearly that, I think that whole sequence of him them walking in there, that is sort of the money shot of this episode.

473
00:27:55.920 --> 00:27:59.940
And they've poured a lot of resources into making that as good as it can be.

474
00:28:00.000 --> 00:28:02.099
But I mean, they do use it later.

475
00:28:02.160 --> 00:28:05.099
Like they use whatever models they create later for the climax.

476
00:28:05.160 --> 00:28:08.160
So they're establishing what's happening in the next episode.

477
00:28:08.160 --> 00:28:14.279
And our last shot of Bacula is him running along that gantry in order to escape the...

478
00:28:14.279 --> 00:28:16.619
Just goes to show what they are capable of.

479
00:28:16.680 --> 00:28:23.400
I don't think they've got the time or the money to for it to be that good all the time, but that's the peaks they can reach.

480
00:28:23.460 --> 00:28:39.660
But I mean, the other thing that they do they give all of the Zindi, their own ships and their own distinctively design ships, and I think the reptilian ships and the aquatic ships, I'm not quite sure which ones are the insecto ships, look great.

481
00:28:39.720 --> 00:28:41.279
So this is our best scene, isn't it?

482
00:28:41.339 --> 00:28:42.059
This is our best thing.

483
00:28:42.119 --> 00:28:43.799
Oh, it's so pissy in this scene.

484
00:28:43.920 --> 00:28:44.400
I love it.

485
00:28:44.460 --> 00:28:49.559
But then she realises that she's pissy and they come. you know, they come together.

486
00:28:49.619 --> 00:28:50.339
It's really nice.

487
00:28:50.400 --> 00:28:54.539
But she's always doing something, isn't she?

488
00:28:54.599 --> 00:28:59.519
Like, she is being busy, but she kind of has a right to do it.

489
00:28:59.579 --> 00:29:04.980
And then he's sort of dismissing her and it being a prick, do you know what I mean?

490
00:29:05.039 --> 00:29:06.660
And saying, I'm not going to put up with this.

491
00:29:06.720 --> 00:29:08.819
But he's not being, he's not unpleasant.

492
00:29:08.880 --> 00:29:09.660
Do you know what I mean?

493
00:29:09.720 --> 00:29:12.660
And this is the 1st time she ever calls him Trib.

494
00:29:13.680 --> 00:29:15.119
Really?

495
00:29:15.180 --> 00:29:16.500
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

496
00:29:16.559 --> 00:29:18.480
It's really good, isn't it?

497
00:29:18.539 --> 00:29:20.519
And then she's like being honest.

498
00:29:21.779 --> 00:29:25.140
This whole situation has made me become very emotional.

499
00:29:25.200 --> 00:29:26.880
Please be patient with me.

500
00:29:26.940 --> 00:29:28.859
Yeah, it's good, isn't it?

501
00:29:28.920 --> 00:29:35.759
And they like each other and it's... is a show where characters are not often emotionally honest with each other.

502
00:29:35.819 --> 00:29:37.440
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

503
00:29:37.500 --> 00:29:44.160
And you know, they can only do it with the Vulcan character because she kind of explains her emotions because we can't do some text.

504
00:29:44.220 --> 00:29:45.359
Do you know what I mean?

505
00:29:45.420 --> 00:29:48.720
But she just sells this so well.

506
00:29:48.779 --> 00:29:51.059
I think you know, I don't know.

507
00:29:51.119 --> 00:29:58.259
I don't, well, she gets, she gets on nothing line of, you know, I really can't do this on my own, but she's not obviously talking about the work.

508
00:29:58.319 --> 00:29:59.579
No that's right.

509
00:29:59.640 --> 00:30:01.140
She needs him there.

510
00:30:01.200 --> 00:30:02.279
And she sells that line.

511
00:30:02.339 --> 00:30:04.319
I think that's the that's the important line here.

512
00:30:04.740 --> 00:30:08.940
And and like him not being a prick.

513
00:30:09.000 --> 00:30:33.000
You know, when the show started, I was just thinking today about Strange New World and my theory that all of DePoll's lines would be improved if she just continued with the words, you fucking idiot, at the end of it, because it had that antagonistic relationship where we're all men and we're cool and we don't give a shit and she's saying, well, maybe we could be more cautious or maybe you could not do this.

514
00:30:33.059 --> 00:30:33.960
Look at that shot.

515
00:30:34.019 --> 00:30:36.720
Look at the shot of Scott McDonald in the costume.

516
00:30:36.779 --> 00:30:39.420
It looks amazing the way that's lit. lit.

517
00:30:39.539 --> 00:30:51.480
Um, Anyway, uh, you know, that antagonistic relationship was unpleasant to watch and bordered on kind of them being racist and sexist and just generally horrible.

518
00:30:51.539 --> 00:30:54.839
But now the relationship between trip and pol is fantastic.

519
00:30:54.900 --> 00:30:57.480
It's the best relationship on the show.

520
00:30:58.079 --> 00:31:04.259
Why have they put him in all of those straight, that weird wire costume?

521
00:31:04.319 --> 00:31:06.779
It looks so cumbersome, doesn't it?

522
00:31:06.900 --> 00:31:08.579
I really like it.

523
00:31:08.579 --> 00:31:09.900
When there's a long shot.

524
00:31:09.960 --> 00:31:12.900
Look at it. nobody would choose to put that bloody thing on.

525
00:31:12.960 --> 00:31:14.279
It's not protecting you from anything.

526
00:31:14.339 --> 00:31:15.720
I don't understand.

527
00:31:15.779 --> 00:31:16.859
It's not a fashion statement.

528
00:31:16.920 --> 00:31:18.420
Yeah, I don't know.

529
00:31:18.480 --> 00:31:21.240
I mean, the light shines off it.

530
00:31:21.299 --> 00:31:23.519
I think it looks good.

531
00:31:23.579 --> 00:31:25.740
Like, I think they look pretty good.

532
00:31:25.799 --> 00:31:27.779
Who are these people again?

533
00:31:27.839 --> 00:31:29.339
These cut price.

534
00:31:29.339 --> 00:31:30.720
Shape shifter.

535
00:31:30.960 --> 00:31:45.240
So these are the sphere builders, the people who created the Delphic expands. and they want to terraform the entire galaxy.

536
00:31:45.299 --> 00:31:52.740
They want to do to the galaxy, what they've done to the Delphic expanse and make it uninhabitable for everyone else.

537
00:31:52.859 --> 00:31:55.440
I just got no personality.

538
00:31:55.500 --> 00:31:56.460
It's all, have they?

539
00:31:56.519 --> 00:31:59.640
Like, basically, it's a series of visual quotes.

540
00:31:59.700 --> 00:32:04.980
You go into a white space a bit like the prophets and they talk to each other.

541
00:32:05.160 --> 00:32:10.619
But they cut looking at each other like the camera moves from purpose to another.

542
00:32:10.680 --> 00:32:12.539
It's very crap.

543
00:32:12.599 --> 00:32:14.099
Like it is very strange.

544
00:32:14.160 --> 00:32:18.539
No, no, I see you're trying to make this look interesting, but just make them interesting.

545
00:32:22.380 --> 00:32:27.960
All this fucking inscrutable dialogue, but means nothing. just ridiculous.

546
00:32:28.019 --> 00:32:28.859
It is ridiculous.

547
00:32:28.920 --> 00:32:30.480
Zero, dear.

548
00:32:30.839 --> 00:32:36.779
You know, suddenly Tucker Smallwood's makeup doesn't look quite as egregious as poor Rick Worthies.

549
00:32:36.839 --> 00:32:46.740
I did read the thing and apparently he got infected tear duct and like, and I wonder whether you can actually see his eyes swelling up.

550
00:32:46.799 --> 00:32:52.619
Apparently it was horribly unpleasant to wear, like despite the fact that it is less aggressive.

551
00:32:52.680 --> 00:33:02.099
I mean, at least like a small wood just, they just put the bag on his head at the beginning of the day and put his teeth in and he's probably ready to go, a bit of, you know?

552
00:33:02.160 --> 00:33:07.259
He must have said, right, oh, God, I've got a semi-regular role in starting.

553
00:33:07.259 --> 00:33:08.279
Right.

554
00:33:08.339 --> 00:33:10.920
This is our concept art of what you're going to look like.

555
00:33:11.819 --> 00:33:13.980
How much are you willing to pay me?

556
00:33:14.039 --> 00:33:15.480
Yeah.

557
00:33:15.539 --> 00:33:17.460
Yeah, it's kind of terrible, is it?

558
00:33:17.519 --> 00:33:22.980
They're talking about they're talking about Degra, a lawyer because Degra was the one interesting character.

559
00:33:23.099 --> 00:33:24.059
Yeah.

560
00:33:24.119 --> 00:33:27.599
And so, I mean, he was kind of the Oppenheimer sort of thing. wasn't he?

561
00:33:27.660 --> 00:33:32.640
He designed the weapon and then was horrified by what had been done with it.

562
00:33:32.700 --> 00:33:34.559
Oh, wow.

563
00:33:34.559 --> 00:33:41.220
That's a wonderful episode. where they kidnap Degra and the create a fake shuttle.

564
00:33:41.279 --> 00:33:43.140
It's a really great episode.

565
00:33:43.200 --> 00:33:48.119
There are some good there's some good stuff in three So we saw him in improving ground.

566
00:33:48.180 --> 00:33:51.720
That's where I know him from where he that had already happened, I think.

567
00:33:51.779 --> 00:33:54.660
It introduces Degra that way, doesn't it, with the kidnapping?

568
00:33:54.720 --> 00:34:00.900
The trouble with spreading this out across 26 is they still want to do things like Carbon Creek.

569
00:34:01.559 --> 00:34:02.519
Things like that, you know?

570
00:34:02.579 --> 00:34:04.380
And it doesn't fit into the year at all.

571
00:34:04.440 --> 00:34:07.259
But I think I think they have to do that.

572
00:34:07.319 --> 00:34:12.599
It's the same reason that they have to do better being better bang and take me out to the holosuite during the war arc.

573
00:34:12.659 --> 00:34:14.940
They only have to do that because it's fabulous.

574
00:34:15.000 --> 00:34:16.860
Yes, why wouldn't you do that?

575
00:34:16.920 --> 00:34:20.519
Well, yeah, Carbon Creek or the future.

576
00:34:20.519 --> 00:34:21.420
Listen to this dialogue.

577
00:34:21.480 --> 00:34:22.739
I know, it's ridiculous.

578
00:34:22.800 --> 00:34:25.500
Then the time has come.

579
00:34:25.500 --> 00:34:27.000
And then she turned to talk to her.

580
00:34:27.000 --> 00:34:30.119
And then, like, it's just like, what's going on?

581
00:34:31.260 --> 00:34:33.119
I love that ball.

582
00:34:33.179 --> 00:34:34.679
It's so good, isn't it?

583
00:34:34.739 --> 00:34:35.820
It looks...

584
00:34:35.880 --> 00:34:36.719
And now you said it.

585
00:34:36.780 --> 00:34:42.900
I can see it is that mine, but they sort of tarted it up with a bit of holographic paper and yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

586
00:34:42.960 --> 00:34:44.699
List it in a more interesting way.

587
00:34:44.760 --> 00:34:46.500
Well, and it's spinning it around.

588
00:34:46.500 --> 00:34:47.579
Spinning on axis.

589
00:34:47.639 --> 00:34:48.659
Yeah, that's right.

590
00:34:50.400 --> 00:34:51.780
Yeah.

591
00:34:51.900 --> 00:34:59.760
I mean, like, watching this without hearing the dismal dialogue and just looking at the pretty pictures and having a conversation with you.

592
00:34:59.820 --> 00:35:02.760
I think this might be the best possible way to watch this, you know.

593
00:35:02.820 --> 00:35:06.179
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. without hearing what anybody's got to say.

594
00:35:06.659 --> 00:35:09.539
Because you notice who the scriptwriter was on this.

595
00:35:10.139 --> 00:35:13.320
It wasn't Andre Bormanis.

596
00:35:13.380 --> 00:35:14.880
No under.

597
00:35:14.940 --> 00:35:24.000
I mean, halfway through when that techno pabble started hitting, I was like, you didn't need to tell me, Andre Belmont. writer of Star Trek science logs.

598
00:35:24.059 --> 00:35:25.920
I mean, look at all these ships.

599
00:35:26.159 --> 00:35:28.079
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

600
00:35:28.139 --> 00:35:29.340
It's pretty incredible.

601
00:35:29.400 --> 00:35:30.360
I mean, they're great.

602
00:35:30.420 --> 00:35:43.559
I mean, they're not quite as fun as the alpha quadrant strips, I don't think, but I think they do a pretty good job for a sort of one-off thing. and there are, you know, like 5 different designs for the different types of Zindi. and they're all quite distinct.

603
00:35:43.619 --> 00:35:50.760
And I think the aquantic ones look great and they remind you of the aquatic guides because they've got all the sort of glass tanks and stuff.

604
00:35:51.000 --> 00:35:55.800
In terms of design, they have stepped up a notch from Voyager, I think.

605
00:35:56.219 --> 00:36:00.300
Do you remember the Kazon ships were just sort of cut price?

606
00:36:00.360 --> 00:36:01.320
Kardashian?

607
00:36:01.380 --> 00:36:02.760
Oh, I quite like Amazon chips, actually.

608
00:36:02.820 --> 00:36:04.440
I think we've had this conversation.

609
00:36:04.500 --> 00:36:05.519
What are you talking about?

610
00:36:05.579 --> 00:36:06.360
They look really cute.

611
00:36:06.840 --> 00:36:08.880
You really want a spaceship.

612
00:36:08.940 --> 00:36:23.639
I'll buy you one So I, see, this I like, like you've got Malcolm, he's written the report and he gives it to him, but the subtext is, I'm acknowledging how you feel about what happened to her.

613
00:36:23.699 --> 00:36:24.780
Do you know what I mean?

614
00:36:24.840 --> 00:36:36.780
Like it's a scene that is doing more than it seems to on paper, but it's also just cheesy as hell and it's here to quickly resolve the thing because he's going to be killed later in the episode.

615
00:36:37.679 --> 00:36:41.820
I just don't think he sells the emotional material.

616
00:36:41.880 --> 00:36:42.900
No, I think that's a problem.

617
00:36:42.960 --> 00:36:44.579
There's a kind of restrained.

618
00:36:45.300 --> 00:36:47.039
It's literally a stiff upper lip thing.

619
00:36:47.099 --> 00:36:48.059
Look at him here.

620
00:36:48.119 --> 00:36:51.900
Like he does look like he's almost about to lose it.

621
00:36:51.960 --> 00:36:56.639
And it's like literally stiff upper lip. you know you can see it quivering.

622
00:36:56.699 --> 00:37:00.239
So he's trying to kind of convey some sort of emotion.

623
00:37:00.300 --> 00:37:02.159
But there's nothing in that character.

624
00:37:02.219 --> 00:37:04.079
Like, I don't know anything about him.

625
00:37:04.139 --> 00:37:07.440
Um, and I, I'm not very interested.

626
00:37:07.500 --> 00:37:09.179
I mean, he could have been funny.

627
00:37:09.239 --> 00:37:12.420
The chance we got to learn about him in minefield.

628
00:37:12.480 --> 00:37:13.019
What have we learned?

629
00:37:13.079 --> 00:37:14.579
It was so boring.

630
00:37:14.579 --> 00:37:15.780
Absolutely nothing.

631
00:37:15.840 --> 00:37:20.159
Just that he wants to talk about security patrols when he's having his breakfast.

632
00:37:20.219 --> 00:37:20.639
That's it.

633
00:37:20.699 --> 00:37:38.460
Yeah, yeah, but there's also, like, there's something about, like, you know, they never do with this, with the McKee either, but suddenly you've got soldiers on board Enterprise, and that's a really, really significant kind of, oh, it's the puppy.

634
00:37:38.639 --> 00:37:44.820
This was the moment Mark walked into the room and for once he went, oh, dog.

635
00:37:45.239 --> 00:37:48.659
What a good boy. feed him from the table, Jonathan.

636
00:37:48.719 --> 00:37:49.619
This banter.

637
00:37:49.679 --> 00:37:50.039
I'm sorry.

638
00:37:50.099 --> 00:37:50.820
I know.

639
00:37:50.820 --> 00:37:52.860
It's a power. coming up.

640
00:37:52.920 --> 00:37:53.880
Who's complaining?

641
00:37:53.940 --> 00:37:54.719
Only chef.

642
00:37:54.780 --> 00:37:55.619
You know?

643
00:37:56.039 --> 00:37:58.739
Why the hell is the chef's name though?

644
00:37:58.800 --> 00:38:00.059
And you call him chef, don't they?

645
00:38:00.119 --> 00:38:02.820
Don't you remember who plays him in the final episode?

646
00:38:02.880 --> 00:38:06.780
Yeah, Jonathan Frakes. isn't it?

647
00:38:06.840 --> 00:38:07.380
It's great.

648
00:38:07.440 --> 00:38:07.739
It is.

649
00:38:07.800 --> 00:38:09.000
It's Jonathan Franks.

650
00:38:09.059 --> 00:38:10.260
It's so good.

651
00:38:10.380 --> 00:38:11.519
I think that's great.

652
00:38:11.579 --> 00:38:12.360
You never see him.

653
00:38:12.420 --> 00:38:13.619
You are right.

654
00:38:13.679 --> 00:38:20.639
That is a good line about, it would be nice to get back to a mission of exploring space instead of becoming terrorists, you know?

655
00:38:20.699 --> 00:38:22.380
No, I think this is funny.

656
00:38:22.440 --> 00:38:35.579
I told the engineering team, uh, you know, what are you going to do to Paul, and Tapol says, uh, you know, you may buy me a drink, like she's kind of put off, and she doesn't understand the question.

657
00:38:36.480 --> 00:38:38.579
Do you remember these scenes?

658
00:38:38.639 --> 00:38:43.679
Do you remember these scenes in season one when it was so awkward between the 3 of them?

659
00:38:43.739 --> 00:38:47.579
And there was casual racism flying about the place all the time?

660
00:38:47.639 --> 00:38:51.480
Like they truly have relaxed a lot.

661
00:38:51.599 --> 00:38:53.519
Well, they'd been for a lot as well.

662
00:38:53.639 --> 00:39:00.539
You know, like they've clearly, because Jolene's conventionally attractive and she looks great in a slinky uniform and stuff.

663
00:39:00.599 --> 00:39:01.920
That's clearly what they've done.

664
00:39:01.980 --> 00:39:04.199
They're trying to do 7 of 9 again.

665
00:39:04.260 --> 00:39:05.340
Do you know what I mean?

666
00:39:05.400 --> 00:39:10.440
7 of 9 in a slinky outfit and she's dismissive of you and that's kind of sexy.

667
00:39:10.500 --> 00:39:18.480
But she's like Jerry. a much better actor than they expected, I think, and then she needs to be.

668
00:39:18.539 --> 00:39:21.840
And I think she's really good. again, I think this scene is great.

669
00:39:21.900 --> 00:39:25.500
It's not even spoiled by the presence of Jonathan Archer in it.

670
00:39:25.559 --> 00:39:34.920
It is the other good scene, I think. watching art show in this episode, and I was thinking to myself, like, we've sort of discovered in many episodes that he's a total prick.

671
00:39:34.980 --> 00:39:42.599
But, like, at this point, they have sort of pushed a lot of those unlikeable characteristics aside.

672
00:39:42.659 --> 00:39:45.480
I was like, why is he still so boring?

673
00:39:45.599 --> 00:39:48.780
Because like, Kate isn't boring.

674
00:39:48.840 --> 00:39:52.739
Avery isn't boring. and Patrick isn't boring.

675
00:39:52.800 --> 00:39:54.780
And Scott is a great actor.

676
00:39:54.840 --> 00:39:57.000
Yeah, he's a fantastic actor.

677
00:39:57.119 --> 00:39:58.260
And a leading man.

678
00:39:58.320 --> 00:40:02.460
You know, he had his own show that had a regular cast of two.

679
00:40:02.519 --> 00:40:05.880
You know that show completely rested on his shoulders.

680
00:40:05.940 --> 00:40:07.380
I don't know.

681
00:40:07.440 --> 00:40:07.980
What is it?

682
00:40:07.980 --> 00:40:08.760
What's not there?

683
00:40:08.880 --> 00:40:10.500
I don't know, because that was a...

684
00:40:10.500 --> 00:40:14.159
They've got all the ingredients there to make him the best captain.

685
00:40:14.280 --> 00:40:18.179
It was like, 0 my god, they've cast someone famous in a Star Trek.

686
00:40:18.239 --> 00:40:19.500
Like, I just couldn't believe it.

687
00:40:19.559 --> 00:40:21.659
It's not like the guys off Benson.

688
00:40:21.719 --> 00:40:24.119
Like it's literally Scott Bacula.

689
00:40:24.179 --> 00:40:26.639
And I think when I watched the 1st episode.

690
00:40:26.699 --> 00:40:29.940
I went into Enterprise and that was the the big selling point.

691
00:40:30.000 --> 00:40:37.440
The guy from Quantum Leap is the head of this and I couldn't believe what a shit he was in Broken Bone.

692
00:40:37.500 --> 00:40:39.059
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

693
00:40:39.119 --> 00:40:40.800
The crushing disappointment.

694
00:40:40.860 --> 00:40:43.800
I was like, no, he can't be like this all the way.

695
00:40:44.099 --> 00:40:45.599
He was.

696
00:40:45.659 --> 00:40:46.199
He was.

697
00:40:48.840 --> 00:40:56.159
So the Zindi can see, not the Zindi, the sphere builders can see the future because they're from the future or something.

698
00:40:56.219 --> 00:40:57.059
I don't understand.

699
00:40:57.119 --> 00:41:09.179
But, um, and so they've created the Delphic expanse, and so they create these anomalies around the, around the weapon to kind of preserve it.

700
00:41:09.239 --> 00:41:16.739
And then next episode they create anomalies around the spheres to prevent them from destroying the sphere like they promise to.

701
00:41:16.860 --> 00:41:18.119
See, this is great.

702
00:41:18.179 --> 00:41:20.099
The fleet go into attack the whole.

703
00:41:20.159 --> 00:41:21.179
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

704
00:41:22.260 --> 00:41:24.300
I just think as well.

705
00:41:24.360 --> 00:41:28.619
The way it has those 2 skins that rotate in different directions.

706
00:41:28.679 --> 00:41:29.639
It looks incredible.

707
00:41:29.699 --> 00:41:31.019
It's so dynamic.

708
00:41:31.559 --> 00:41:32.400
It's really great.

709
00:41:32.460 --> 00:41:33.539
I think there's more than two.

710
00:41:33.599 --> 00:41:36.599
I think there's at least 3 layers rotating in different directions.

711
00:41:36.659 --> 00:41:43.920
I think they may have taken, you know, the bork sphere, but they had in endgame and just put a couple of layers around it.

712
00:41:43.980 --> 00:41:44.699
But who cares?

713
00:41:44.880 --> 00:41:48.420
I mean, because the problem is it's the Death Star, right?

714
00:41:48.480 --> 00:41:53.400
It's the Zindi Death Star, the moment you have a spherical ship that destroys the planet.

715
00:41:53.460 --> 00:41:54.360
That's what it has to be.

716
00:41:54.420 --> 00:41:56.579
And so they have to make it look different from that.

717
00:41:56.639 --> 00:41:59.400
And I think they do that really successfully.

718
00:41:59.460 --> 00:42:01.320
I think it looks really, really good.

719
00:42:02.340 --> 00:42:05.340
And it looks threatening, you know?

720
00:42:05.400 --> 00:42:08.579
in a way that a lot of things in Star Trek don't.

721
00:42:08.639 --> 00:42:10.260
And weird as well.

722
00:42:10.320 --> 00:42:14.639
Like nothing we've ever seen in Star Trek, and I think absolutely they needed to do that.

723
00:42:14.699 --> 00:42:16.139
It's all going on here.

724
00:42:16.199 --> 00:42:17.219
Spaceships exploding.

725
00:42:17.280 --> 00:42:18.599
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

726
00:42:18.659 --> 00:42:22.440
But again, it's people with space names or no names at all.

727
00:42:22.500 --> 00:42:22.980
I love this.

728
00:42:23.039 --> 00:42:31.380
They later on we get scenes where they shoot the aquatic ship and all of the water spills out.

729
00:42:31.440 --> 00:42:36.059
Couldn't somebody have just said, look, why are we going to save Hoshi?

730
00:42:36.119 --> 00:42:37.500
You don't even get a line, normally?

731
00:42:37.559 --> 00:42:40.139
Like, would we even notice she was gone?

732
00:42:40.260 --> 00:42:42.659
Look at him at the pilot.

733
00:42:42.719 --> 00:42:44.280
I mean, he hasn't had a line in the episode.

734
00:42:44.340 --> 00:42:46.619
We'll send him off with her as well.

735
00:42:47.159 --> 00:42:49.079
It's crazy.

736
00:42:49.139 --> 00:42:50.760
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

737
00:42:50.820 --> 00:42:53.940
I do I do think that is a big mistake of enterprises.

738
00:42:54.000 --> 00:42:56.280
Sometimes they don't realise what they've got under their noses.

739
00:42:56.340 --> 00:42:58.559
Well, I mean, I think it's terrible.

740
00:42:58.619 --> 00:43:06.420
I think it's really genuinely terrible that the 2 non-white regular characters get nothing to do.

741
00:43:06.480 --> 00:43:09.599
Like, I think that's that's disgraceful.

742
00:43:09.659 --> 00:43:30.000
And like I already said, I think that this show is a reaction against the diversity on Voyager, the increasing diversity in Star Trek shows, and it's just like, nope, let's get white men in charge again, and it, like, it's, it's shameful how poorly treated those characters are.

743
00:43:30.119 --> 00:43:33.659
I've cast a load of non-white people as the villains as well.

744
00:43:33.719 --> 00:43:35.699
I mean, no, right, is it?

745
00:43:35.760 --> 00:43:37.800
And then cover them in latex.

746
00:43:37.860 --> 00:43:38.579
Yes.

747
00:43:38.639 --> 00:43:39.119
Yeah.

748
00:43:39.719 --> 00:43:43.739
I think I think maybe that's our modern day reading on...

749
00:43:43.800 --> 00:43:46.019
I don't think that's what they were going for at all.

750
00:43:46.079 --> 00:43:52.500
I genuinely think it's a reaction against, like, I think it's a conscious reaction and that's why we take it back to the past.

751
00:43:52.559 --> 00:43:55.139
Well, you think they were trying to make Star Trek less diverse?

752
00:43:55.260 --> 00:43:55.980
Yep.

753
00:43:56.039 --> 00:43:56.400
Yep.

754
00:43:56.400 --> 00:43:56.639
Yep.

755
00:43:56.699 --> 00:43:59.820
No aliens on the ship because Why would they do that?

756
00:43:59.880 --> 00:44:04.500
Because I think they wanted to make it more relatable to a particular demographic.

757
00:44:06.960 --> 00:44:08.639
Yeah, yeah.

758
00:44:08.699 --> 00:44:12.300
Oh, no, I'm certain that that's a deliberate, that's deliberate.

759
00:44:12.360 --> 00:44:14.039
Just not what Star Trek is at all.

760
00:44:14.099 --> 00:44:15.179
Absolutely.

761
00:44:18.239 --> 00:44:20.340
I mean, oh, there we go.

762
00:44:20.400 --> 00:44:21.599
Back to the white space.

763
00:44:22.800 --> 00:44:24.480
And the field.

764
00:44:25.199 --> 00:44:27.719
I think this poor woman's doing every line, isn't it?

765
00:44:27.780 --> 00:44:28.920
Right, go and stand over there now.

766
00:44:28.980 --> 00:44:29.699
Right, go, stand.

767
00:44:30.239 --> 00:44:31.320
These are different people.

768
00:44:31.380 --> 00:44:33.360
They're different. don't know.

769
00:44:33.420 --> 00:44:35.460
Oh my god, what's going on?

770
00:44:35.519 --> 00:44:37.079
So this is a sphere.

771
00:44:37.139 --> 00:44:44.639
So remember the spheres are generating the expanse and so they can create anomalies and warp space.

772
00:44:44.699 --> 00:44:48.119
And so that's what they're doing here to protect.

773
00:44:48.179 --> 00:44:48.719
Ah, yes.

774
00:44:48.780 --> 00:44:52.320
Isn't that what happens when archer's in the shower earlier in the season?

775
00:44:52.380 --> 00:44:55.019
Oh, I want to stop, doesn't it, around him?

776
00:44:55.079 --> 00:45:02.699
But remember how, remember how um, all of those Vulcans go crazy in that earlier...

777
00:45:03.179 --> 00:45:03.719
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

778
00:45:03.780 --> 00:45:05.760
Enterprise does the walking dates.

779
00:45:05.820 --> 00:45:06.239
Yeah.

780
00:45:06.239 --> 00:45:07.139
Quite success.

781
00:45:07.199 --> 00:45:07.920
Look at this.

782
00:45:07.980 --> 00:45:08.820
I know.

783
00:45:08.880 --> 00:45:12.059
Look at the all the water comes out and turns to ice.

784
00:45:12.119 --> 00:45:16.079
Like the water comes out and turns to shards of ice. looks amazing.

785
00:45:17.340 --> 00:45:20.699
Where was all this ambition in series one and two?

786
00:45:20.760 --> 00:45:22.199
really good, isn't it?

787
00:45:22.199 --> 00:45:24.780
What the hell is this we're going into now?

788
00:45:24.840 --> 00:45:27.480
Nathan, I don't know what's going on, but it's very exciting.

789
00:45:27.599 --> 00:45:29.039
Shit's being torn apart.

790
00:45:29.099 --> 00:45:30.360
No, no.

791
00:45:30.420 --> 00:45:31.199
I mean, that's it.

792
00:45:31.260 --> 00:45:32.880
It's the anomalies that are being created.

793
00:45:32.940 --> 00:45:34.380
It's really good. isn't it?

794
00:45:34.440 --> 00:45:35.760
Like they're super powerful.

795
00:45:35.820 --> 00:45:41.099
And again, you know, they're, I don't know why they can't just do that to Earth or whatever, but...

796
00:45:41.099 --> 00:45:42.300
Not to have an anomaly, isn't it?

797
00:45:42.360 --> 00:45:44.099
It just tears ships apart rather than...

798
00:45:44.099 --> 00:45:46.019
Yeah, yeah, but they made it in order to do that.

799
00:45:46.079 --> 00:45:47.340
Like, that's how they defend.

800
00:45:47.400 --> 00:45:52.860
I mean, think about the dark matter anomaly in discovery series 4 that destroys whole planets, you know.

801
00:45:52.920 --> 00:45:56.760
I've got to say, Robert Duncan McNeil, you're doing pretty well in this.

802
00:45:56.820 --> 00:45:57.659
Okay.

803
00:45:57.719 --> 00:45:58.500
He does okay.

804
00:45:58.559 --> 00:46:01.920
Again, I a bit rude about the pace earlier, but it's wrapped up a lot.

805
00:46:02.039 --> 00:46:05.760
I think the mechanics of this rescue work really well.

806
00:46:05.820 --> 00:46:06.719
Do you know what I mean?

807
00:46:06.780 --> 00:46:09.239
The number of times we've seen people go on a ship and rescue.

808
00:46:09.360 --> 00:46:14.159
Like I think, you know, Hayes, rescuing Hoshi. does a great job.

809
00:46:14.219 --> 00:46:16.380
They're still doing this thing, though.

810
00:46:16.440 --> 00:46:18.780
Someone appears, shoots the gun, goes back in.

811
00:46:18.900 --> 00:46:21.599
Someone else appears, shoot the gun. goes back in.

812
00:46:21.659 --> 00:46:22.500
Hide.

813
00:46:22.619 --> 00:46:25.739
I think, you know, you sort of watch Kurtzman Trek now.

814
00:46:25.800 --> 00:46:27.300
Everyone's just firing all the time.

815
00:46:29.820 --> 00:46:33.059
It was deliberately paced back in the day.

816
00:46:34.619 --> 00:46:37.139
Oh, what are these?

817
00:46:37.199 --> 00:46:38.579
what are these calls again?

818
00:46:38.639 --> 00:46:39.420
these great.

819
00:46:39.480 --> 00:46:41.880
The rep. monsters. reptilians.

820
00:46:42.599 --> 00:46:43.860
I know they're terrible names too.

821
00:46:43.920 --> 00:46:45.960
He was, I wanted him to say, God, I'm so hot.

822
00:46:46.019 --> 00:46:48.000
I need to take off my wife. coat rang a coat.

823
00:46:48.059 --> 00:46:53.039
No, it's good in hot environments because it's air.

824
00:46:53.099 --> 00:46:55.619
It airs, you know, like it lets the air in.

825
00:46:55.679 --> 00:47:01.320
Like, this is incredibly exciting, but fuck me, it is all just a load of Hitler babble, wouldn't it?

826
00:47:01.500 --> 00:47:07.500
Oh yeah, I'm so what do you mean, the buffer and all of that. sort of thing, like a dialogue.

827
00:47:07.500 --> 00:47:09.239
There's not a line of character in it.

828
00:47:09.300 --> 00:47:11.699
No, no, it's entirely functional dialogue.

829
00:47:11.760 --> 00:47:13.139
It's not all techno-babble, though.

830
00:47:13.199 --> 00:47:14.340
It is procedural, really.

831
00:47:14.400 --> 00:47:18.420
I mean, who cares when they're shooting guns and destroying shit, yeah.

832
00:47:18.659 --> 00:47:20.579
Like, I like this.

833
00:47:20.639 --> 00:47:25.860
I bought this and I didn't know that Culp died in this episode.

834
00:47:25.920 --> 00:47:30.000
I, you know, wasn't even really thinking a culp.

835
00:47:30.059 --> 00:47:30.599
What's his name?

836
00:47:30.659 --> 00:47:31.619
What's the character called?

837
00:47:31.679 --> 00:47:35.159
Uh, Hed Mac Hayes.

838
00:47:35.219 --> 00:47:36.239
Major Hayes.

839
00:47:36.300 --> 00:47:37.619
Stephen Culb.

840
00:47:37.679 --> 00:47:38.280
Edmal.

841
00:47:38.340 --> 00:47:39.539
I don't even know his name.

842
00:47:39.599 --> 00:47:47.940
No, I think they called him, they called the Makos earlier, but that, I don't even know the pilot's name and he's in full series, fuck's name.

843
00:47:48.960 --> 00:47:52.019
And then we so nearly rescue him.

844
00:47:52.079 --> 00:47:53.340
It's pretty great, isn't it?

845
00:47:53.400 --> 00:47:54.780
Like, we're so nearly rescue him.

846
00:47:54.840 --> 00:47:55.980
Oh, did you see that?

847
00:47:56.039 --> 00:48:01.260
He beamed in and then by the time he beamed in, Then he went, oh, like I've been here.

848
00:48:01.260 --> 00:48:01.800
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

849
00:48:01.860 --> 00:48:02.639
Where'd we come?

850
00:48:02.699 --> 00:48:06.059
We have to do the materialisation thing and then him falling over.

851
00:48:06.119 --> 00:48:08.159
It's a bit Oh, wonderful.

852
00:48:08.219 --> 00:48:09.000
Wonderful.

853
00:48:09.059 --> 00:48:13.619
Did you notice a sort of trip had a bit of dirt on his face then?

854
00:48:13.679 --> 00:48:15.719
Yeah, it looks good.

855
00:48:15.780 --> 00:48:16.679
It always looks good.

856
00:48:16.800 --> 00:48:18.059
I can see why they gave in so much.

857
00:48:18.119 --> 00:48:20.159
Mind you, what's the pilot's name again?

858
00:48:20.219 --> 00:48:22.920
Uh, Anthony Mayweather?

859
00:48:22.980 --> 00:48:23.579
Merriweather.

860
00:48:23.639 --> 00:48:24.480
Mayweather.

861
00:48:24.539 --> 00:48:25.500
Mayweather.

862
00:48:25.559 --> 00:48:27.300
Travis, he's with the same name as my brother.

863
00:48:27.360 --> 00:48:30.840
I don't know why they don't just have a camera stationed on him all the time.

864
00:48:30.900 --> 00:48:32.099
He's so pretty.

865
00:48:32.099 --> 00:48:34.199
And ridiculously young.

866
00:48:34.260 --> 00:48:36.000
What is going on?

867
00:48:36.059 --> 00:48:39.360
Anomalies everywhere, bursting and blooming like mushroom clouds.

868
00:48:39.360 --> 00:48:41.820
Yeah, yeah, yeah. around the sphere. awesome, isn't it?

869
00:48:41.880 --> 00:48:42.840
It looks really good.

870
00:48:42.900 --> 00:48:45.900
It just ships going everywhere, getting the shit beaten out of them.

871
00:48:46.079 --> 00:48:49.199
This is more exciting than when I was watching it earlier.

872
00:48:49.260 --> 00:48:50.400
I don't know what.

873
00:48:50.400 --> 00:48:52.860
Maybe I was on my phone during this.

874
00:48:55.920 --> 00:48:57.900
Far more excited watching it with you.

875
00:48:57.960 --> 00:48:59.460
But I was on my own.

876
00:48:59.519 --> 00:49:01.199
Oh boy.

877
00:49:01.500 --> 00:49:04.500
So, all right, so they've gone.

878
00:49:04.559 --> 00:49:06.900
And so the reptiloids.

879
00:49:06.960 --> 00:49:09.780
I want to call them reptiloids, because of itchank is going to the galaxy.

880
00:49:09.840 --> 00:49:12.000
So the reptilians are gone with a weapon.

881
00:49:12.059 --> 00:49:16.199
And so that's essentially the end of this part of the episode, isn't it?

882
00:49:16.260 --> 00:49:19.139
So now it's all just kind of mopping up.

883
00:49:19.199 --> 00:49:24.900
Um, uh, that's such a funny line.

884
00:49:25.019 --> 00:49:26.579
That's such a funny line.

885
00:49:26.639 --> 00:49:36.300
The, I'm afraid he's a bit of a mother handline is actually, poor old Malcolm cracking a joke, which I think worked really well.

886
00:49:36.360 --> 00:49:38.639
The 2 of them have a little moment of levity together.

887
00:49:38.760 --> 00:49:40.679
Do you know what's not a great line?

888
00:49:40.739 --> 00:49:42.300
Thanks for bringing her home.

889
00:49:42.360 --> 00:49:44.219
Oh, all in a days while.

890
00:49:44.280 --> 00:49:45.059
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

891
00:49:45.119 --> 00:49:46.800
Super terrible, isn't it?

892
00:49:46.860 --> 00:49:47.639
kind of boring.

893
00:49:47.699 --> 00:49:48.719
Is he dead now then, Hayes?

894
00:49:48.840 --> 00:49:51.179
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

895
00:49:51.239 --> 00:49:54.059
I mean, I think I would rather have kept Hayes and killed Reed.

896
00:49:54.119 --> 00:49:55.800
We should have sent read off on that mission.

897
00:49:55.860 --> 00:49:57.539
Yeah, yeah.

898
00:49:57.599 --> 00:49:58.199
Yeah.

899
00:49:58.320 --> 00:50:00.599
Maybe that would have been more shocking as well.

900
00:50:00.659 --> 00:50:03.239
It might have been a little change of thing.

901
00:50:03.300 --> 00:50:04.199
Okay.

902
00:50:04.260 --> 00:50:07.380
And I don't think it would have done the show any harm whatsoever.

903
00:50:07.440 --> 00:50:08.460
No, no.

904
00:50:08.519 --> 00:50:12.119
Stephen Cobb's a proper guy, you know, like he's he's a thing.

905
00:50:12.239 --> 00:50:16.920
What are those discs that Dr. Fox is holding up against him?

906
00:50:16.980 --> 00:50:19.440
Oh, it's like a defibrillator, isn't it?

907
00:50:19.920 --> 00:50:21.300
Okay.

908
00:50:21.360 --> 00:50:22.739
Yeah, yeah.

909
00:50:22.800 --> 00:50:28.199
It's most it's like that thing that they put around Tasha's head to revive her.

910
00:50:31.260 --> 00:50:32.880
Blob of blood.

911
00:50:36.480 --> 00:50:40.199
You know what's unfortunate about Rick Worthy's costume?

912
00:50:40.320 --> 00:50:43.139
It's got the same sort of fluffy white hair as his face.

913
00:50:43.199 --> 00:50:46.920
So I'm like, I'm not sure where the costume ends and his face begins.

914
00:50:47.340 --> 00:50:51.480
Yeah, yeah, I know, down his shoulders and stuff. terrible.

915
00:50:51.539 --> 00:50:55.079
Dude, does look a bit like he's wearing a mink coat, doesn't it?

916
00:50:55.559 --> 00:50:57.119
so bad.

917
00:50:57.239 --> 00:50:59.039
Oh, my God.

918
00:50:59.039 --> 00:51:02.820
Fetch me my fabulous coat is I'm off to destroy a planet.

919
00:51:04.199 --> 00:51:07.739
He looks so fucking dopey. right.

920
00:51:07.800 --> 00:51:09.599
It says giant teeth.

921
00:51:11.099 --> 00:51:14.519
He's like the Joan Collins of his own people.

922
00:51:14.579 --> 00:51:15.780
Ooh.

923
00:51:15.780 --> 00:51:21.360
Shall we launch it?

924
00:51:21.420 --> 00:51:22.199
How do I look?

925
00:51:22.260 --> 00:51:23.820
Okay, launch the swear.

926
00:51:23.880 --> 00:51:24.360
Fabulous.

927
00:51:24.599 --> 00:51:32.940
So fortunately, they've designed this so that Sphere 41, which they've named.

928
00:51:33.059 --> 00:51:34.019
Do you know what I mean?

929
00:51:34.079 --> 00:51:38.099
They haven't decided to call it sphere one because it's the sphere that if you destroyed all the other ones.

930
00:51:38.099 --> 00:51:41.219
Just to make the hitchhikers joke, maybe.

931
00:51:41.280 --> 00:51:43.860
But I would have called it sphere one if it was like, oh, here you go.

932
00:51:43.920 --> 00:51:53.579
I was thinking of you during this scene because it's like, uh, I just, you know, like his, um, his major culp's dead, major culp, major Hayes is dead.

933
00:51:53.639 --> 00:51:57.059
Now, I want you, now, I want you to all volunteer.

934
00:51:57.119 --> 00:52:03.360
So everyone who wants to go on this deadly suicide mission.

935
00:52:03.420 --> 00:52:04.980
Please step forward.

936
00:52:06.179 --> 00:52:08.280
Do you know what I'd love to do?

937
00:52:08.340 --> 00:52:13.920
Nathan, I'd love to do a supercar of all of these scenes in 90s trek because there's so many of them.

938
00:52:13.980 --> 00:52:17.039
But I want to insert me and every single one going.

939
00:52:17.039 --> 00:52:19.139
No, no, you're right.

940
00:52:19.199 --> 00:52:20.699
You go.

941
00:52:21.840 --> 00:52:25.559
Or just find a scene of Mariner from Lower Decks.

942
00:52:25.619 --> 00:52:27.960
Just going, no, you're okay.

943
00:52:29.760 --> 00:52:32.760
It's a fuck all of those guys.

944
00:52:32.820 --> 00:52:34.619
But it was men as well.

945
00:52:34.679 --> 00:52:36.780
For God's sake, it's 2151.

946
00:52:36.960 --> 00:52:39.119
We did see a woman earlier.

947
00:52:39.179 --> 00:52:40.739
I think she got shot though, didn't she?

948
00:52:40.800 --> 00:52:43.019
No, no, she was, maybe she was in hospital.

949
00:52:43.079 --> 00:52:45.179
I don't know, but I mean, for God's sake.

950
00:52:46.320 --> 00:52:48.599
Anthony Montgomery.

951
00:52:48.659 --> 00:52:49.559
Is that Malcolm Reid?

952
00:52:49.619 --> 00:52:50.639
Anthony Montgomery.

953
00:52:50.699 --> 00:52:55.559
And I thought Anthony Montgomery was... don't know what his name is.

954
00:52:55.619 --> 00:52:56.219
What's his name?

955
00:52:56.280 --> 00:52:57.179
I can't remember.

956
00:52:57.239 --> 00:53:01.500
Anyway, he's got the thinnest lips of anyone in Star Wars, isn't he?

957
00:53:01.559 --> 00:53:02.699
very odd looking, I think.

958
00:53:02.760 --> 00:53:05.159
He wouldn't be a good kisser, would he?

959
00:53:05.219 --> 00:53:06.539
No, no.

960
00:53:07.320 --> 00:53:11.219
Anti-Montgomery on the other hand. absolutely.

961
00:53:11.280 --> 00:53:14.639
That's just that I love Billingsley.

962
00:53:14.699 --> 00:53:18.780
The Zindi parasites were no match for my osmotic eel.

963
00:53:19.019 --> 00:53:21.000
I love you so much.

964
00:53:21.059 --> 00:53:23.460
Oh, it's not Montague.

965
00:53:26.639 --> 00:53:29.099
You know what you needed in that role?

966
00:53:29.159 --> 00:53:33.960
Somebody could just say this shit and make it utterly convincing and it doesn't.

967
00:53:34.019 --> 00:53:36.480
Like he's doing the drama here now.

968
00:53:36.539 --> 00:53:37.440
Do you know what I mean?

969
00:53:37.500 --> 00:53:39.599
No, you can't take traumatic action.

970
00:53:39.659 --> 00:53:40.559
You can't take her.

971
00:53:40.619 --> 00:53:45.659
You know, like this confrontation between the 2 of them is good.

972
00:53:45.719 --> 00:53:47.880
And he's not being an asshole.

973
00:53:47.940 --> 00:53:51.659
It's like Archer actually tones it down and convinces him.

974
00:53:51.719 --> 00:53:55.860
But like he's selling it despite the, you know, denobulus.

975
00:53:55.860 --> 00:53:57.900
Spoiled, doctor. for me.

976
00:53:57.960 --> 00:54:03.000
Because I just saw him, he had a long shot there, wearing that 70s swingers costume.

977
00:54:03.119 --> 00:54:04.320
And that's all we all see now.

978
00:54:04.380 --> 00:54:05.099
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

979
00:54:05.159 --> 00:54:06.960
Put your keys in the bowl.

980
00:54:07.679 --> 00:54:10.559
Oh, look at these insectoids.

981
00:54:10.980 --> 00:54:13.619
I want to see if they've got the nostrils.

982
00:54:13.679 --> 00:54:15.659
It's a bit hard to tell.

983
00:54:15.719 --> 00:54:17.219
I need a close up.

984
00:54:17.280 --> 00:54:19.139
I mean, how do I reproduce?

985
00:54:19.199 --> 00:54:20.219
don't want to know.

986
00:54:20.280 --> 00:54:23.340
Well, flies look like that and they reproduce like flies.

987
00:54:23.400 --> 00:54:25.320
So I'm sure that it's not a problem.

988
00:54:25.380 --> 00:54:27.659
And I'm sure they find each other very attractive.

989
00:54:27.719 --> 00:54:29.460
It is fun though, isn't it?

990
00:54:29.519 --> 00:54:30.840
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

991
00:54:30.900 --> 00:54:36.000
I think there's something really fun and cartoony about the whole idea of the Zindi and all of these different aliens and stuff.

992
00:54:36.059 --> 00:54:37.260
Like, that's great.

993
00:54:37.320 --> 00:54:40.260
That is great, but it's not the Dominion.

994
00:54:40.320 --> 00:54:43.619
You gotta remember, we are just dipping into one episode, though.

995
00:54:43.679 --> 00:54:48.900
Like, you know, a season of this where there's no substance and relationships.

996
00:54:48.960 --> 00:54:53.039
You're like, oh, God, almighty, you know, like, please.

997
00:54:53.159 --> 00:54:55.320
No, it's still moving this.

998
00:54:55.380 --> 00:55:00.000
We just killed the, we killed the insectoids for not being mad enough.

999
00:55:01.199 --> 00:55:04.619
It has got penultimate episode energy, doesn't it?

1000
00:55:04.679 --> 00:55:07.800
Oh, yeah, yeah, because things are at the very worst.

1001
00:55:07.860 --> 00:55:13.380
But what we're doing is we're kind of now splitting them off into the 2 plots, the A plot and the B plot of the final episode.

1002
00:55:13.440 --> 00:55:25.380
So the A plot is going to be what, destroying the the weapon and the B plot, which actually is probably we spend more time on because it's the one with trip and to pile in it.

1003
00:55:25.380 --> 00:55:29.099
Look at them, God bless them. expect you to keep him in line.

1004
00:55:29.699 --> 00:55:32.400
Not a trip, sorry, just a ball.

1005
00:55:35.400 --> 00:55:39.480
There's no way of her looking comfortable in that Thai costume, is there?

1006
00:55:39.539 --> 00:55:42.659
That's why we normally have lots of tighter shots than that.

1007
00:55:42.719 --> 00:55:44.039
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1008
00:55:44.099 --> 00:55:48.480
See, that's a, I think that's a really sort of lame way to end it.

1009
00:55:48.539 --> 00:55:51.420
Well, especially when we had all of that action in the last third.

1010
00:55:51.539 --> 00:55:56.880
If you could have ended it with a real and with a weapon sort of just activating and then heading off.

1011
00:55:56.940 --> 00:55:59.219
That's where I figured they were going to go.

1012
00:55:59.280 --> 00:56:00.119
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1013
00:56:00.179 --> 00:56:03.840
I mean, it is very much that it ends in the place where it starts, isn't it?

1014
00:56:03.960 --> 00:56:07.800
Like it just basically ends where it starts with a weapon on its way to earth, you know?

1015
00:56:07.860 --> 00:56:12.239
And we, I don't know, they arm it, I guess.

1016
00:56:12.300 --> 00:56:15.300
They stop to arm it and then we deal with it for a bit.

1017
00:56:15.420 --> 00:56:28.679
That's why I think the decision to say this is one part we're not going to do both of them, even though I did it because I just didn't want to do 2 episodes of enterprise in a row. was the right one because this episode ends, doesn't it?

1018
00:56:28.739 --> 00:56:32.340
And then it sets up the, the, the next one.

1019
00:56:32.400 --> 00:56:37.559
And that approach to serialisation in this series, I think, works really well and we'll pay off.

1020
00:56:37.559 --> 00:56:39.059
It doesn't even have a to be continued, does it?

1021
00:56:39.119 --> 00:56:40.199
No, no, it doesn't.

1022
00:56:40.320 --> 00:56:40.860
No, no, no.

1023
00:56:40.860 --> 00:56:44.460
Maybe that should be our new rule only when there's a to me.

1024
00:56:44.519 --> 00:56:46.440
Well, I think roughly speaking, that's the rule.

1025
00:56:47.039 --> 00:56:54.719
Um, I've got to say, I enjoyed that far more watching it with you than I did the 2 times I watched it by myself.

1026
00:56:55.079 --> 00:56:59.159
I think your enthusiasm was rubbing off and on.

1027
00:56:59.219 --> 00:57:01.739
Yeah, I mean, I really liked it.

1028
00:57:01.800 --> 00:57:02.400
I had fun.

1029
00:57:03.059 --> 00:57:07.920
So we have done something like 16 episodes of Enterprise, right?

1030
00:57:07.980 --> 00:57:10.980
And we've mostly done season four.

1031
00:57:11.039 --> 00:57:14.219
So we've done 2 of season one.

1032
00:57:14.280 --> 00:57:15.599
We're saving the worst for last.

1033
00:57:15.659 --> 00:57:18.360
We are going to have to do some more season one.

1034
00:57:18.420 --> 00:57:19.199
We've only done two.

1035
00:57:19.260 --> 00:57:21.599
We've done 4 of season two.

1036
00:57:21.659 --> 00:57:30.179
We've done 4 of season 3 now, and we've done one, two, three, four, five, 6 of season four, including two, two parters.

1037
00:57:30.239 --> 00:57:34.440
The Mirror Universe one and then the finale 2 parter.

1038
00:57:34.860 --> 00:57:36.539
I don't know.

1039
00:57:36.599 --> 00:57:39.119
Like, I'm just growing to like it more.

1040
00:57:39.179 --> 00:57:46.440
Even though it's shit, and even though it has all of the flaws that we pointed out, it is still Star Trek, and I like Star Trek.

1041
00:57:46.500 --> 00:57:51.900
I think I could pretty much divide enterprise into two. and 2 and 3 and four.

1042
00:57:51.960 --> 00:58:04.019
One and 2 I find very trying. and they're learning lessons that frankly, they should have learned in the previous 2 series that they worked on Foster Evan series of feasts.

1043
00:58:04.079 --> 00:58:05.099
Yeah.

1044
00:58:05.099 --> 00:58:12.119
But I think from 3 onwards, there's a desire, I think it's a desire to try and keep Star Trek on the air.

1045
00:58:12.179 --> 00:58:13.440
They know time is running out.

1046
00:58:13.500 --> 00:58:15.420
So they're trying harder.

1047
00:58:15.539 --> 00:58:19.440
And certainly the latter half of series three.

1048
00:58:19.500 --> 00:58:20.820
I don't know why.

1049
00:58:20.880 --> 00:58:26.159
The next episode started and the reptilian people are eating mice.

1050
00:58:26.219 --> 00:58:27.179
Mice, yeah.

1051
00:58:27.239 --> 00:58:31.559
So, do you remember V in the 1980s, you'll probably be young.

1052
00:58:31.619 --> 00:58:32.880
No, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1053
00:58:32.940 --> 00:58:34.320
Fabulous hair.

1054
00:58:34.380 --> 00:58:36.480
Yeah, yeah, yeah. lizard people.

1055
00:58:36.539 --> 00:58:37.559
Yeah, that's right.

1056
00:58:37.619 --> 00:58:40.260
But their big thing was that they ate rats, remember?

1057
00:58:40.320 --> 00:58:41.699
And so you would see that.

1058
00:58:41.760 --> 00:58:47.639
And so we got that here and we can do it with CG, so have them regal before they drop into someone's mouth.

1059
00:58:47.699 --> 00:58:53.519
But that's them kind of toasting, you know, and they mention the avians, Indy, who are extinct.

1060
00:58:53.579 --> 00:59:01.860
I think somewhere, just to finish that, well, in the middle of series three, we hit sort of a Zassy Prime, which we've done.

1061
00:59:01.860 --> 00:59:06.059
And then it just sort of runs from that point on all the way to the end.

1062
00:59:06.059 --> 00:59:08.400
And it is a bit predictable.

1063
00:59:08.460 --> 00:59:10.440
We know the weapon's eventually going to be activated.

1064
00:59:10.500 --> 00:59:11.940
You know, it's going to head towards Earth.

1065
00:59:12.000 --> 00:59:13.139
We know we're going to stop it.

1066
00:59:13.199 --> 00:59:19.920
But along the way, I keep saying the word ambitious, there's some ambitious action.

1067
00:59:19.980 --> 00:59:21.539
There are some ambitious visuals.

1068
00:59:21.599 --> 00:59:23.820
I don't know, it is trying harder.

1069
00:59:23.880 --> 00:59:27.239
And then obviously in four, as we've already discussed.

1070
00:59:27.300 --> 00:59:29.579
Then they start making Star Trek.

1071
00:59:29.639 --> 00:59:30.840
Finally, yeah.

1072
00:59:30.900 --> 00:59:33.599
They start making Star Trek. and it's good Star Trek.

1073
00:59:33.659 --> 00:59:34.500
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1074
00:59:34.559 --> 00:59:34.980
So yeah.

1075
00:59:35.159 --> 00:59:36.000
So I think you're right.

1076
00:59:36.059 --> 00:59:38.940
There is stuff of worth in Enterprise.

1077
00:59:39.000 --> 00:59:46.800
My big sticking point will forever be that they're doing my favourite show worse.

1078
00:59:46.860 --> 00:59:48.300
Yes, exactly.

1079
00:59:54.599 --> 00:59:59.940
All right, it's the end of the episode and it's time for us to work out where we're going next.

1080
01:00:00.000 --> 01:00:02.460
This was my choice as always.

1081
01:00:02.519 --> 01:00:07.559
And so it's your turn, Joe, to decide what we're choosing from.

1082
01:00:07.619 --> 01:00:09.719
Have you made a decision?

1083
01:00:09.780 --> 01:00:12.659
I did, and I made a promise to you off mic last week.

1084
01:00:12.719 --> 01:00:13.559
That, you know what?

1085
01:00:13.619 --> 01:00:16.619
been a long time since we've gone to the original series.

1086
01:00:16.679 --> 01:00:18.119
We absolutely should head there.

1087
01:00:18.179 --> 01:00:21.300
But Nathan, you know, in age, twist shock.

1088
01:00:21.360 --> 01:00:24.780
I'm just having so much fun in the 90s.

1089
01:00:24.840 --> 01:00:29.340
Let's just do one more, just one more, and then we'll head off and watch some good Star Trek.

1090
01:00:29.400 --> 01:00:30.780
Okay, that sounds like a plan.

1091
01:00:30.900 --> 01:00:32.400
So I put them all in.

1092
01:00:32.460 --> 01:00:35.940
Next gen, DS9, Voyager, and Enterprise.

1093
01:00:36.000 --> 01:00:36.840
Brilliant.

1094
01:00:36.900 --> 01:00:37.199
All right?

1095
01:00:37.260 --> 01:00:37.860
Okay.

1096
01:00:37.920 --> 01:00:38.760
Hey.

1097
01:00:39.360 --> 01:00:41.400
Ooh.

1098
01:00:41.460 --> 01:00:45.239
Your random Star Trek, the next generation episode is season four.

1099
01:00:45.300 --> 01:00:46.500
Good sign.

1100
01:00:46.559 --> 01:00:50.219
Episode 21, The Drumhead.

1101
01:00:51.059 --> 01:00:54.420
Oh, no, let's do that.

1102
01:00:54.539 --> 01:00:56.039
Come on.

1103
01:00:56.099 --> 01:00:59.760
I brought down better men than you, Nathan Bottomleaf.

1104
01:00:59.820 --> 01:01:01.199
So then.

1105
01:01:01.260 --> 01:01:02.460
It's so good.

1106
01:01:02.519 --> 01:01:03.900
She's magnificent.

1107
01:01:03.960 --> 01:01:06.420
Oh, let's do it, boy.

1108
01:01:06.480 --> 01:01:07.619
Like all of that.

1109
01:01:07.679 --> 01:01:10.920
We've done a sort of a trial episode, have we?

1110
01:01:10.980 --> 01:01:13.139
There's so many of them, but I don't think they've done one yet.

1111
01:01:13.199 --> 01:01:13.739
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1112
01:01:13.800 --> 01:01:16.619
It is a thing, but I think it's a really, really good one.

1113
01:01:16.679 --> 01:01:26.159
And, um, you know, like kind of timely in a way because obviously it's got all sorts of antecedents in, um, you know, the crucible and stuff like that.

1114
01:01:26.219 --> 01:01:27.420
Like, it's proper.

1115
01:01:27.480 --> 01:01:33.539
How she sees the paranoia and it grows amongst people is so disturbing.

1116
01:01:33.539 --> 01:01:36.059
Yeah, bloody. yeah let's do it.

1117
01:01:36.119 --> 01:01:40.739
I mean, I just think we need to. not gonna pull anything like anything better than that out of my arse today, am I?

1118
01:01:40.800 --> 01:01:41.880
Absolutely not.

1119
01:01:42.000 --> 01:01:42.659
We're doing it.

1120
01:01:50.460 --> 01:02:02.519
You've been listening to entitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford and Nathan Bottomley, where online at Untitled Star Trek Project.com, where you can find subscription links and links to our social media accounts.

1121
01:02:02.579 --> 01:02:08.579
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Ciceran, and the theme was composed by Cameron Lahn.

1122
01:02:08.699 --> 01:02:14.820
This episode was recorded on the 22nd of April 2025 and released on the 25th of April.

1123
01:02:14.880 --> 01:02:19.739
We'll see you next time for Star Trek the Next Generation, the Drumhead.

1124
01:02:34.800 --> 01:02:37.980
Just as what would we have had next?

1125
01:02:39.840 --> 01:02:41.460
Oh, no.

1126
01:02:41.460 --> 01:02:46.500
Voyager. concerning Fly featuring Leonardo da Vinci.

1127
01:02:46.559 --> 01:02:49.199
That's actually not so bad, but absolutely not.

1128
01:02:51.480 --> 01:02:56.099
The slippery slope, we can't start sort of 2nd guessing ourselves.

1129
01:02:56.159 --> 01:02:57.420
It's definitely the drum head.

1130
01:02:57.599 --> 01:03:01.019
A superb speech from Picard at the end.

1131
01:03:01.079 --> 01:03:08.400
It just absolutely goes to show how they've learned how to give Patrick Stewart a good speech. between justice and the drumhead.

1132
01:03:12.059 --> 01:03:14.099
That is a good choice.

1133
01:03:14.159 --> 01:03:15.780
I'm gonna have to run.