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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So, we're back aboard Deep Space 9 again.

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We've been away from it for 6 episodes, or some of us have. and

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yep, now we're all back together after the 1st 6 episodes of

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series six.

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This is series six, episode seven, you are cordially invited.

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So we've just had sacrifice of angels, is that right?

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Literally before this, yes.

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The biggest space battle we've ever seen in Star Trek.

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And so what did I do next?

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What they do next, Nathan?

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Yeah.

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A sitcom episode.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And I have to say that I thought this was really great.

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Like, I don't think it's quite as funny as some of the ones that

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we've seen before from Ron Moore, but I do think it was really

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really good.

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And I'm sort of picturing, like, I've seen that 6 part story, but

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you know, it's been a while, but I just imagine it's a great

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relief to have an episode that is all about our core crew back on

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board the station for the 1st time in the entire season.

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And everyone gets something to do.

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Everyone really gets some fun moments and it's absolutely hang

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time with the crew.

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I thought this was a really witty script.

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Oh, yeah, yeah.

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I think Ron Moore can not many writers of 90s Star Trek can

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achieve this, but he can actually genuinely write comedy.

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Like he can write great drama as well, but he can write the sort

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of fast paced wit that we get now in Star Trek, a lot of back and

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forth, but he's got the benefit as well of just 6 years worth of

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brilliant characters forming.

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Um, and you bring them all together with really, really funny

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jokes.

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Oh, it's just gold.

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I mean, I was going to start this episode by saying to you, Nathan

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you will come with me now and perform the brain on ritual to my

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satisfaction or I will cancel this podcast just because I wanted

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to quote Sorella at the start of the episode.

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So it's absolutely a like a classic sitcom plot, isn't it?

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Because Sorella isn't quite the mother-in-law or anything like

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that.

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But at this point in the show, she's terrifying.

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She's really good.

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She's really great.

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And so it's kind of like we need to impress the mother-in-law in

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order for the wedding to go ahead.

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And it's an absolute sitcom premise.

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In fact, strange new worlds will do it in series two, uh, with

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Spock having to impress Tupring's parents in exactly the same kind

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of sitcom setup.

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Are they just frightening us, Serella?

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They are, and of course, some space thing has happened to Spock.

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And so he's human and he has to pretend to be Falcon.

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It's, it's, the sort of the annual kind of strange issue worlds, um

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spock sex comedy episode.

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It's really, really good.

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But it is just sort of this classic sitcom premise to the point

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where I thought that we would resolve the problem where Dax

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punches Sirella in the face by having Sirella say, well, that just

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really shows how much you love wharf, and I'm touched by that, and

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so I've decided to, you know, it's that, you know, the sitcom

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thing where you go to all of this trouble to kind of fool the

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mother-in-law about something, like to pretend that something's

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true and it isn't.

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And then you get found out.

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And then she says, I can't believe you went to all of this trouble

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for me.

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You know, I love you and you're fantastic.

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And also bits of it.

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But it's absolutely that sort of that entire sitcom plot.

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It works really well.

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There's lots of really fun stuff with like Julian and Miles.

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Oh boy.

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Of course, a Klingon Stack party is the most miserable experience

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you could go through.

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Blood, death, and pain and famine or whatever it is.

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Oh count me out.

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It's really great, isn't it?

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Because when when we 1st mentioned it had been a while since I saw

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this and I thought there are painsticks involved in this, they're

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definitely painsticks.

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But of course, you know, like it was possible that it would be a

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huge drunken party because we've seen Klingons participate in that

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before.

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In DS9, last year.

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Yeah, in Apocalypse Rising.

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And certainly that's what Jake and Quark think it is, you know

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they think it's going to be that and hugely exciting and then it

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ends up being a sort of austere and horrific religious ceremony

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where they're kind of, you know, letting blood and virtually

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setting themselves on fire and stuff like that.

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And all of that's really funny It's glorious.

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But, like, you and me, we've talked about the soap opera element

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of D Space 9 quite a bit, you know, there was me back in the day

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thinking this was hugely, you know, exciting, hard science

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fiction.

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And then I'll start talking to you and I suddenly realise it's

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just like neighbours in space and I love neighbours and I love

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space.

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So this is great.

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And of course, they do all the cliches.

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The wedding is called off. you know, the night before and all of

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our friends have to rally around to try and get them to talk to

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each other or stop themselves from eating an entire banquet. will

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get there.

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I love that scene But one thing I think that really stops this

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from just being a sitcom stroke soap episode is, I have heard the

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criticism that, well, why on earth are Dax and Worf in a

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relationship together?

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They're total opposites, you know, and they go through bumpy

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episodes of like, let here is without sin.

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Why on earth are they together?

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And by the end of this episode, they absolutely address that they

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are completely different people.

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And yet they are head over heels in love with each other.

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For that very reason.

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It's just glorious.

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And you get a one, 2 punch at the end of this episode, a scene

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between war for Martok, and a scene between Cisco and Dax, where

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the comedy drops away, and the performances are gentle and subtle

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and beautiful.

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I was really moved by the end of this episode.

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And then, of course, you get the wedding, which is fabulous.

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Really really great.

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I think that maybe the scene between Wharf and Martoc is my

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favourite scene of the episode.

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And I think Michael is magnificent in it, like just really

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properly good.

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And sort of sells the subtext, the more he describes how different

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they are from one another, the more his face lights up because

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that's what he loves about her.

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JG Herzler is no slouch in that scene either, though.

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Well, that's brilliant too. when we'll talk about it when we get

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there because I think it's a really, really well done scene.

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You know, the rest of the episode is kind of building up to it in

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the same way that the episode's building up to the Dax Cisco

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scene.

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Yeah, like I think that that all of that is really really dry.

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Just when you think it can't get any better.

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There is a hot naked man juggling fire in Dax's quarters in a

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party scene that has some fucking energy in it in 90s.

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It still does look a bit like a party on a 90 strike set.

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That is so much better than your usual.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Let's sit around and drink synth hole and talk about politics and

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oh, what a lovely nebula over there, you know.

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People like their dogs.

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They're getting drunk.

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I mean, Dax is hung over in the morning.

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It's all the cliches that you want in a wedding episode.

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Can I regale you with a quote from Terry Farrell before we go in?

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Please, because clearly this is the most fun that she has ever had

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doing any Star Trek episode.

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You know, she's relaxed into the role.

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They're given a terrific material at this and now she's got the

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wedding episode.

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It's all about her and she does get the most to do, I would say, in

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this episode.

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Well, here's what she has to say about getting married to Michael

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Dawn.

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I felt like a queen for a day in that dress.

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I have to tell you I never thought that I'd feel so great in red

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leather, even though it was 104 degrees on that set.

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I'm 34 years old.

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I've never been married and I sometimes wonder if I ever will be.

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So it was so cool to wear that dress and pretend with a good

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friend like Michael, who's also not married, that I was getting

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married.

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It was like it was like being a little girl again and playing

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Barbie.

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Michael was my Klingon Ken and I was his leather clad Barbie.

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Horrible.

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I just don't believe the people who say, where's the chemistry

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between the 2 of them?

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You know what I mean?

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Like they're 2 of the most sexy and charismatic actors on the show

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and you're kind of going, why aren't they showing me the chemistry

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here?

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It's baffling.

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Like, I just don't understand that at all.

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And I think that there's a, there is a lack of sympathy with

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things like romances and weddings and stuff like that because

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they're not seen as proper science fiction.

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Wars and battles and spaceships and crashes and all of that sort

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of thing.

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Those are the proper thing that Star Trek should be doing, and a

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wedding, focussing an episode on something as domestic as that is

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a problem and, you know, like it's a waste of time and we need to

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justify it.

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But I thought it was just terrific and for the very reasons that

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it's focussed on a wedding and the wedding of 2 really, just

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wonderful, lovely, and sexy characters.

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It's almost as if you know what's coming next.

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You don't, but on that note, so just in case you feel as if you

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are missing out on everything that makes Star Trek, Star Trek

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before Nathan and I have fun for 45 minutes.

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I thought I'd read you out a small passage from Andre Bormanis's

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Star Trek science logs, just so you feel like you get something

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but it's a normal Star Trek. and very boring.

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Verteron and graviton particles.

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Excellent.

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The stability of the wormhole connecting the alpha and gamma

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quadrants appear to be a coincidence of a unique scaffolding

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composed of verteron particles.

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Verterons are amongst the most extraordinary particles ever

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discovered in nuclear physics.

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Most strikingly, they possess negative mass, which accounts for

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their ability to maintain the extreme spatial curvature necessary

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to sustain a wormhole.

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Sorry, I'm nearly there.

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You know, terrified right now.

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I'm loving it, though.

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The Verterons are bound together in an elaborate geometric matrix

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that provides a traversable spatial conduit, some 500 metres in

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diameter.

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Now that's the normal bullshit that you get on Star Trek.

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Thank God, we aren't doing none of that shit.

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Let's go.

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Brilliant.

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I just didn't want the geeks to feel left out, you know?

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I know, and I love a good thing about Verdon particles, I have to

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say, I'm a big fan.

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Special matrixes.

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Well, I didn't know the negative mass thing. tuck that one away.

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Is it hot in here?

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It will be by the time that naked man arrives with the fire.

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All right, I think we should go in.

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So I will count us in. 5, 4, 3, 2, one and we're off.

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The war is over.

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Look at all the stuff that's happening around the station as well

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like all of these ships.

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Think about the old days of season one when we couldn't afford all

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of that.

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And they've got it, again, look, look at all these extras.

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Everyone's so happy in the dominion of God.

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Morn's heading to the bar.

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It's a great shot, isn't it?

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Like just taking us through the promenade.

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It's pretty great.

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And this fabulous crane shot of Cisco as well.

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I mean, our tend to like crane shots to end on someone as

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beautiful as Avery Brooks.

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Yeah, but that's a great one too, because he's delivering the, you

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know, the captain's log, but then we see him just there.

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So it is just, you know, like a voiceover.

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But this is so nice, just reestablishing, you know, the status quo

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ante.

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There's still a war, but now we're back together working

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together.

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And look how warm she is.

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She gets some really great moments here.

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It's a really kind of minor plot that she and Odo have.

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And Ira Stephen Bear doesn't much like what they did.

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I think it's perfect. agree with you.

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What would the alternative be?

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Like, we don't need an episode of the 2 of them getting therapy

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sorting out their differences.

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Go in that closet and by the time you come out, it's dumb.

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Yeah, yeah. really good.

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It's really good.

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Look at her smiling at him.

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She's so beautiful.

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Like, and so she sort of looks after him and smiles, she's still

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smiling when he leaves.

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Oh, she's so great.

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She's so good.

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Oh, Mortok's such a ham.

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You know about this, didn't you?

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Nothing to stop it.

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Oh, it's the, um, uh, like he's got promoted and now he's

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stationed on Deep Space 9, isn't he, from now on?

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right.

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We guess to hang out with Wolf.

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What he whinging about?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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He gets to be a semi-regular character who's just on the on the

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station.

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That's awesome.

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Oh, Cisco's just smiling his way through these things as well.

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Oh, everyone's happy.

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I mean, to be fair, it's been a tense time the last couple of

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episodes.

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It's quite nice to see everyone so chill.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Well, I think this is that's exactly what we want, I think, at

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this point.

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Like, it's a big risk, I think, upsetting.

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Like, you know, deep space 9 is kind of the redheaded stepchild

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and no one much cares what it does and so it is allowed to break

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format for 6 episodes, but that's a big deal in Star Trek, isn't

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it?

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But I think it's there. it's wise as well.

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After doing that, after breaking the format and then sort of

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putting the toys back in the box after what, 7 episodes?

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to then follow that up with a big hitter, like a wedding.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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After this is resurrection, that dismal alternative universe

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episode where Mirror Barrile comes along.

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Now, if this was Voyager, and we were upset in the status quo, that

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would be the episode after that, you know?

303
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Oh, here's the Alexander who can act just about.

305
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So, so we had Brian Bonsall, back on Star Trek, the Next

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Generation, but not immediately.

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And he is like a soap opera child, someone who has grown up

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incredibly quickly. 15 years or something, isn't it, since we last

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saw him?

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No, no.

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So he's born sometime between season 2 and three of Star Trek the

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Next Generation.

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Isn't he sometime between Amistry and um...

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Oh, so he's about 10 now, is he?

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Yeah, if you're lucky, maybe eight.

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So maybe Klingons very quickly and so do Naomi Wildman's and it's

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just a thing that happens on Star Trek.

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So I didn't know that he was in 2 episodes and I didn't know that

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we liked him.

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I thought it had been like when they meet in sons and daughters.

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It's a little bit kind of rough or something, but I can't remember

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it.

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Sons of Daughters, no, it is.

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What's it called?

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Yeah, it is, it is.

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Cork went, handsome young man.

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You must get it from his mother.

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He hates warf, doesn't he?

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I'll tell you what.

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There's a couple of moments in this as well.

331
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Even like during the wedding, he looks so disinterested, Corp

332
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doesn't he?

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great.

334
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They never forget a grudge.

335
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Yeah.

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But I do like this.

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Bring in the wedding forward and doing it just so Alexander could

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be there.

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Now, did you know that 2 of the TNG actors were actually

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potentially going to be in this?

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LeVar and Jonathan Fraggs.

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But basically, and it's such a shame.

343
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I think they should have, if they were available, put them in.

344
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But Ira went, no, it's all or nothing.

345
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Yeah, they're all in it or nobody is.

346
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I kind of agree.

347
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I think it overshadows the episode and that's not what we want.

348
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Like we, you know, we had 7 years with them and there are films

349
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and stuff like that.

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This is time for the Deep Space 9 crew and they sell it because, of

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course, it's a wedding that they're just suddenly doing because of

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Alexander, so they bring it forward. that means that we don't have

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to have all of these people.

354
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Oh, yeah.

355
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I find Alexander irritating as a klutz only because I see so much

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of myself and him.

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This is literally, I am like, on a daily basis, knocking things

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over like this.

359
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Oh, so that's it.

360
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We set up our premise.

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The wedding's being brought forward.

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Nathan Bottomley's rule number one of the pre-title sequence in

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Star Trek.

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I go.

365
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Yeah, yeah.

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I mean, that one's not, because it doesn't sort of set up a theme

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or anything like that.

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It is just a weird doing the wedding and then we have him fall

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over and then we go into the thing.

370
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So it's a little bit kind of linear.

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It's not quite as clever.

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What, I mean, the, I guess the thing this is about, just apart

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from reestablishing the status quo.

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And I guess this is a stand in for a celebration of them

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returning.

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Do you know what I mean?

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Like, we didn't, there wasn't a party when they came back as far

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as I know.

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And so this is kind of that.

380
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Yeah, but it's the, it's the, what I thought was the most

381
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interesting thing about it was having Martok and Sorella as the, as

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the other married couple in the show.

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And like, we're about to see...

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They stolen characters from Shakespeare, weren't they?

385
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I thought I was reading in...

386
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Yeah, so they said that they were playing it like Beatrice and

387
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Benedict from Much Ado about Nothing, but not really.

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Like, no.

389
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But, but, uh, what I really like about it is that, because we're

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about to see her and I think she's magnificent.

391
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I think she's really, really great.

392
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So this is Shannon Cochran, who has been in 2 episodes before

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playing the same character.

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Did you know this?

395
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No.

396
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So she plays a character called Kalita, and she's in preemptive

397
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strike, the 2nd last episode of Star Trek, the Next Generation

398
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with Row, and she's a McKee character.

399
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And then she comes aboard, like she's in the episode with Thomas

400
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Wright, Riker.

401
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Oh, in defiant.

402
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Defiant.

403
00:18:43.680 --> 00:18:44.279
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

404
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Yeah.

405
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Oh, she's so different.

406
00:18:46.619 --> 00:18:47.700
I know you mean now.

407
00:18:47.759 --> 00:18:49.380
Wow.

408
00:18:49.440 --> 00:18:51.539
And she's a Romulan in Star Trek Nemesis as well.

409
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When people slap on that Klingon makeup, they just become

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incredibly Shakespearean, don't they?

411
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Yeah.

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But she's magnificent.

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Like the, I think, I think I was thinking the word magnificent

414
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when Martoc actually said it to kind of describe her.

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And you know, just the fact that he's in awe of her.

416
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Like she comes in and just declaims this speech and she's

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fantastic.

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There are not enough scenes in Star Trek of 2 women in the lift

419
00:19:20.519 --> 00:19:21.720
gossiping, all right?

420
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Love it.

421
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It still doesn't pass the Bechdell test because they're talking

422
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about a man, but...

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But it is a wedding episode, so I think we can probably forget

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it.

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And I do love the fact, I love the fact that it's war, that it's

426
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obsessed with the wedding and the details.

427
00:19:37.200 --> 00:19:38.220
Yeah, yeah, not her.

428
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I don't want it before.

429
00:19:39.420 --> 00:19:46.740
But also, just her talking about what he's like, you know, and

430
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being so insightful about him and telling us stuff that she sees

431
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in him that we don't necessarily sees the audience.

432
00:19:53.460 --> 00:19:56.339
Okay, so this is introducing the Odo Kira part.

433
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Is it my imagination or did Dodo just avoid us?

434
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It's just great.

435
00:20:01.200 --> 00:20:04.740
It is like they've been doing sitcom the whole time.

436
00:20:04.799 --> 00:20:06.599
Honestly, they're so great in it.

437
00:20:06.660 --> 00:20:06.960
Yeah.

438
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Yeah.

439
00:20:07.859 --> 00:20:13.920
And I like this too, that we don't go over, like you don't need to

440
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know exactly what it is in those 6 episodes that tore them apart.

441
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And I think I have a memory of how it happened, but not a very

442
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strong one.

443
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And you don't need it.

444
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Do you know what I mean?

445
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You just need to know that they, and she says, I don't want to

446
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talk about it now. and so we don't.

447
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And so the episode isn't about that in any way, but it resolves

448
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it.

449
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And it resolves it, I think, in a way completely satisfying.

450
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It's why as well, in his way, which we've already done. where Dax

451
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comes along when they snog on the promenade and she's sort of

452
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giving them that look.

453
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It's because she's watched this journey all the way back from

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where it was revealed in children of time through this right away

455
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to there.

456
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It's really lovely.

457
00:20:54.299 --> 00:20:55.559
Oh, here we go.

458
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I describe it as a time of unbridled pleasures.

459
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I guess because he's a Klingon.

460
00:21:00.720 --> 00:21:01.740
Yeah, that's right.

461
00:21:02.160 --> 00:21:05.279
I dread to think what they get up to in bed, you know.

462
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If it's pain and, you know, all that stuff.

463
00:21:09.779 --> 00:21:13.440
Yeah, the grief, men recite poetry and the women throw furniture, I

464
00:21:13.440 --> 00:21:15.599
think, is the...

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OBrien and Bashir thinking they're going to have a time of

466
00:21:18.240 --> 00:21:20.940
unbridled fun and debauchery, don't they?

467
00:21:21.000 --> 00:21:22.259
Well, it's the two.

468
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It's the 2 people from the British Isles.

469
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Like, it's the Englishman and the Irishman, and they just think

470
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they're going to get muntered, you know, like, because it's a

471
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thing.

472
00:21:31.319 --> 00:21:34.740
Oh, they play the comedy so well, though.

473
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The bit where they're hanging above the spit.

474
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Oh, it's wonderful.

475
00:21:38.339 --> 00:21:42.779
But that seems hugely important setup, but what I think is just

476
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about the best final moment of a Star Trek episode ever.

477
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Look how beautiful she is.

478
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She shot from below.

479
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Like we're looking up at her because she's just so magnificent.

480
00:21:53.160 --> 00:21:55.259
I think this is just David Livingston, isn't it?

481
00:21:55.319 --> 00:21:56.339
Is it David Livingstone?

482
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He loves he loves a low angle shot on a woman. all over it in

483
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crossover.

484
00:22:01.380 --> 00:22:05.460
But Martok is looking up at her and look at his reaction.

485
00:22:05.519 --> 00:22:08.880
Look at his reaction and she's going, yeah, you got old.

486
00:22:08.940 --> 00:22:13.140
Um, you know, like she's being critical and stuff and kind of

487
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horrible.

488
00:22:13.619 --> 00:22:16.619
It's not, I guess that's what the Beatrice and Benedict thing is

489
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because they really love each other, but they're kind of

490
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constantly critical of one another.

491
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But it's not quite that.

492
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It's not quite as playful as that.

493
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But Martoc lights up. you know what I mean?

494
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Like, and really, really is really into it.

495
00:22:29.579 --> 00:22:33.720
And that's the same thing that we see with Worf and Dax.

496
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We've already seen Dax say that she knows more about Worf as a

497
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person than we do and that she sees things in him that we never

498
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get to see.

499
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And then when she leaves, magnificent, isn't she?

500
00:22:47.519 --> 00:22:49.920
Yes, isn't she?

501
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He's great.

502
00:22:51.960 --> 00:22:54.960
And as well, though...

503
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I was almost like, oh, she's so horrible.

504
00:22:57.660 --> 00:22:58.559
Why does she like him?

505
00:22:58.680 --> 00:23:01.200
And then in that scene at the end, when he talks about it.

506
00:23:01.259 --> 00:23:02.819
He just sells it.

507
00:23:03.180 --> 00:23:07.559
And yet I do love her. deeply is what he says.

508
00:23:07.619 --> 00:23:10.619
Could I just very quickly read out something else from memory

509
00:23:10.619 --> 00:23:12.180
alpha because I think it's worth discussing.

510
00:23:12.240 --> 00:23:16.619
So it says here, Ronald D. Moore saw this as an episode which

511
00:23:16.619 --> 00:23:19.859
would allow him to correct an inaccurate impression of Klingon

512
00:23:19.859 --> 00:23:22.079
society, which he had himself created.

513
00:23:22.140 --> 00:23:25.619
After Star Trek, the next generation, more felt that he had shoved

514
00:23:25.619 --> 00:23:28.440
Klingon women into the background, promoting the view that they

515
00:23:28.440 --> 00:23:30.839
were unimportant to the proper functioning society.

516
00:23:30.900 --> 00:23:34.740
This dates back to the TNG 4 season episode redemption, to which

517
00:23:34.740 --> 00:23:37.559
it's revealed that women cannot sit on the Klingon High Council.

518
00:23:37.619 --> 00:23:39.599
In subsequent Klingon episodes.

519
00:23:39.660 --> 00:23:42.660
Women had virtually no role, and the whole society ended up

520
00:23:42.660 --> 00:23:45.660
appearing to be completely male dominated, just like the Ferengi

521
00:23:45.660 --> 00:23:46.140
Society.

522
00:23:46.200 --> 00:23:49.380
This was something that Moore was keen to rectify in this

523
00:23:49.380 --> 00:23:49.799
episode.

524
00:23:49.859 --> 00:23:53.519
And as such, he determined that if men rule the council, then

525
00:23:53.519 --> 00:23:57.119
women rule the houses, and that the mistress of a great house

526
00:23:57.119 --> 00:24:00.900
wields unchallenged power, in terms of the functioning of that

527
00:24:00.900 --> 00:24:05.039
house, thus restoring a degree of balance, to cling on gender

528
00:24:05.039 --> 00:24:08.400
roles, I think that is such a great, great thing for him to do.

529
00:24:08.460 --> 00:24:12.779
Yeah, I mean, it's still without kind of, you know, rectifying it

530
00:24:12.779 --> 00:24:13.200
completely.

531
00:24:13.259 --> 00:24:16.079
I mean, they have a domestic sphere that they're in charge of and

532
00:24:16.079 --> 00:24:18.000
the men are in charge of the political sphere.

533
00:24:18.059 --> 00:24:21.599
And I think, you know, eventually we just kind of are going to

534
00:24:21.599 --> 00:24:24.240
just generally forget that and we'll just have more male and

535
00:24:24.240 --> 00:24:26.880
female Klingons in the same kind of roles.

536
00:24:26.940 --> 00:24:30.779
But showing her as a woman that is really strong and really

537
00:24:30.779 --> 00:24:35.160
powerful and that her husband is deferential too, you know, and

538
00:24:35.160 --> 00:24:38.460
she's the focus of the episode, we have to please her.

539
00:24:38.519 --> 00:24:40.140
And look at her.

540
00:24:40.259 --> 00:24:42.720
She's so, she is magnificent.

541
00:24:42.779 --> 00:24:47.279
And that moment where she just says, you know, the candles, like

542
00:24:47.279 --> 00:24:50.339
next time try, if you're not going to use the proper candles, just

543
00:24:50.339 --> 00:24:55.440
try not to use such obvious fakes, but, you know, and, and, like

544
00:24:55.440 --> 00:25:02.099
she was mocking Worf beforehand for not thinking for not realising

545
00:25:02.099 --> 00:25:03.720
they had to be fakes, you know?

546
00:25:03.779 --> 00:25:08.400
There is a line here, Nathan, that kills me every time I hear it.

547
00:25:08.460 --> 00:25:10.140
He goes, I'll go and talk to Cyrilla.

548
00:25:10.200 --> 00:25:11.579
No, I wouldn't do that if I was you.

549
00:25:11.640 --> 00:25:12.599
Why not?

550
00:25:12.660 --> 00:25:14.640
She doesn't like you.

551
00:25:14.700 --> 00:25:16.079
She doesn't like you much either.

552
00:25:18.960 --> 00:25:21.960
No, I likes you wolf, really, sorry.

553
00:25:23.279 --> 00:25:25.859
Oh, J.G. Hertzler.

554
00:25:25.920 --> 00:25:27.000
He can carry a funny line.

555
00:25:27.059 --> 00:25:27.960
He's wonderful.

556
00:25:28.019 --> 00:25:31.019
And, you know, like part of the thing is too, that he has to put

557
00:25:31.019 --> 00:25:34.019
up with that because she's magnificent, because we don't choose

558
00:25:34.019 --> 00:25:35.220
who we fall in love with.

559
00:25:35.279 --> 00:25:40.920
He just has to tolerate how obnoxious she is because he's in awe

560
00:25:40.920 --> 00:25:41.279
of her.

561
00:25:41.339 --> 00:25:42.480
You know, he loves her.

562
00:25:42.539 --> 00:25:43.140
It's wonderful.

563
00:25:43.200 --> 00:25:47.099
I love the whole line at the end about, you know, we tow our

564
00:25:47.099 --> 00:25:48.420
prowess in battle.

565
00:25:48.480 --> 00:25:52.200
You know, we're amazing warriors and we love to go off and kill

566
00:25:52.200 --> 00:25:52.619
people.

567
00:25:52.680 --> 00:25:54.299
But what the fuck does that mean?

568
00:25:54.299 --> 00:25:56.039
When there's no one to come back.

569
00:25:56.099 --> 00:26:00.359
And ultimately, Sorella will determine whether you're going to be

570
00:26:00.359 --> 00:26:02.279
with the woman you love or not. right?

571
00:26:02.339 --> 00:26:03.599
You need to impress her.

572
00:26:03.960 --> 00:26:06.660
Yeah, wonderful.

573
00:26:07.500 --> 00:26:09.539
Like, it is funny.

574
00:26:09.599 --> 00:26:10.319
It is funny.

575
00:26:10.440 --> 00:26:11.160
It is silly.

576
00:26:11.220 --> 00:26:12.059
It is sitcom.

577
00:26:12.119 --> 00:26:14.579
I think there are some depths to it though.

578
00:26:14.640 --> 00:26:15.839
Not a lot but there's enough.

579
00:26:15.900 --> 00:26:19.859
What I like is that it does show us more of the Klingon culture

580
00:26:19.859 --> 00:26:23.400
without it being just the usual boring shit about how the, you

581
00:26:23.400 --> 00:26:26.279
know, the politics are corrupt and all of that sort of thing.

582
00:26:26.339 --> 00:26:29.220
They say that you have no sense of view.

583
00:26:29.279 --> 00:26:31.140
I say, you have no sense of humour.

584
00:26:32.460 --> 00:26:36.059
One thing that really stood out to me, because I started thinking

585
00:26:36.059 --> 00:26:39.900
about the episodes that we've covered for series 6 of DS9.

586
00:26:40.079 --> 00:26:42.420
We've done rocks and shoals, we've done this.

587
00:26:42.480 --> 00:26:46.980
We've done his way, and we've done far beyond the stars.

588
00:26:47.039 --> 00:26:49.440
There's a confidence to this year.

589
00:26:50.160 --> 00:26:53.339
They're really on fire at this point.

590
00:26:53.339 --> 00:26:55.740
And we haven't done some of the lesser ones, but I think you'll be

591
00:26:55.740 --> 00:26:58.680
surprised just how good some of the, even the sort of, you know

592
00:26:58.680 --> 00:27:00.240
maybe not resurrection.

593
00:27:00.299 --> 00:27:00.839
That's terrible.

594
00:27:01.680 --> 00:27:04.500
There's got to be a few duds, though, right?

595
00:27:06.359 --> 00:27:11.460
I love how Alexander's the foul Klingon, because we did have that

596
00:27:11.460 --> 00:27:12.059
didn't we?

597
00:27:12.119 --> 00:27:16.200
There's a terrible season 7 episode of Star Trek, the Next

598
00:27:16.200 --> 00:27:16.559
Generation.

599
00:27:16.619 --> 00:27:17.460
Isn't there?

600
00:27:17.519 --> 00:27:20.039
James Sloyan plays Older Alexander.

601
00:27:20.160 --> 00:27:22.319
Older Alexander, that's right. is in it all the time.

602
00:27:22.380 --> 00:27:25.680
So we're setting up the final gag, right?

603
00:27:25.740 --> 00:27:28.259
So, we are mustuckers.

604
00:27:28.319 --> 00:27:28.859
Yeah.

605
00:27:28.920 --> 00:27:33.539
And the great thing about it is I think I had forgotten this time

606
00:27:33.539 --> 00:27:35.279
through how this ends, right?

607
00:27:35.339 --> 00:27:44.460
And at the very end of the episode, um, we will see O'Brien and, um

608
00:27:44.460 --> 00:27:48.779
Julian, um, going, is it time?

609
00:27:48.839 --> 00:27:49.740
Can we do it now?

610
00:27:49.799 --> 00:27:51.779
And I had just thought it was eat.

611
00:27:51.839 --> 00:27:54.720
Like I had thought because they'd starved for 4 nights.

612
00:27:54.779 --> 00:27:58.859
They had all that food brought to them. and they want to hurt

613
00:27:58.859 --> 00:27:59.160
him.

614
00:27:59.220 --> 00:28:03.539
No, because this is 16 minutes in, right?

615
00:28:03.660 --> 00:28:06.660
It's 30 minutes, nearly 30 minutes to the end.

616
00:28:06.720 --> 00:28:09.720
It's just a sort of little bit of colour.

617
00:28:09.720 --> 00:28:12.480
And he says, you have to carry these with you for the rest of the

618
00:28:12.480 --> 00:28:14.819
time, but they don't get mentioned again.

619
00:28:14.880 --> 00:28:16.079
Do you know what I mean?

620
00:28:16.140 --> 00:28:18.539
And so there's enough time to forget about it and there's enough

621
00:28:18.539 --> 00:28:22.440
going on in this plot that you, I just wasn't thinking about it

622
00:28:22.440 --> 00:28:22.920
anymore.

623
00:28:22.980 --> 00:28:28.920
And so the moment at the end where they just rush out and just

624
00:28:28.920 --> 00:28:31.559
rush towards him with those big fucking sticks and they're going

625
00:28:31.559 --> 00:28:32.579
to beat the shit out of him.

626
00:28:32.579 --> 00:28:35.339
Spash, bash, bash, bash.

627
00:28:35.400 --> 00:28:39.599
It's so funny and it fades to black and I was just waiting for

628
00:28:39.599 --> 00:28:42.900
some fucking scene at the end of the episode where they all sat

629
00:28:42.900 --> 00:28:46.019
down and talked about what it had meant and it doesn't happen.

630
00:28:46.079 --> 00:28:49.559
Instead, we just get fade to black as they run towards wharf to

631
00:28:49.559 --> 00:28:50.579
beat the crap out of him.

632
00:28:50.700 --> 00:28:51.359
It's wonderful.

633
00:28:51.420 --> 00:28:52.559
It's so good.

634
00:28:52.619 --> 00:28:54.240
This is really funny.

635
00:28:54.299 --> 00:28:56.460
So this thing between...

636
00:28:56.460 --> 00:28:57.900
This is that dialogue I was talking about.

637
00:28:57.960 --> 00:28:59.099
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

638
00:28:59.160 --> 00:29:04.619
So, so he says that, you know, someone's bought my stories.

639
00:29:04.619 --> 00:29:08.400
And Quark says, oh, for how much?

640
00:29:08.460 --> 00:29:12.059
He says, no, no, it's a figure of speech. and then he says, oh

641
00:29:12.059 --> 00:29:15.359
well, we'll have a party to celebrate it. and the 1st round of

642
00:29:15.359 --> 00:29:19.019
drinks will be on the house and he says, fairly, and Quark says, no

643
00:29:19.019 --> 00:29:20.039
it's a figure of speech.

644
00:29:20.099 --> 00:29:22.380
I think it's so great.

645
00:29:22.500 --> 00:29:24.359
Like so properly funny.

646
00:29:24.720 --> 00:29:29.819
I mean, please remember how bad 90s trek banter can be.

647
00:29:29.880 --> 00:29:32.700
Yeah, we watch Voyager quite frequently.

648
00:29:32.759 --> 00:29:35.700
Can't run more right every script, please.

649
00:29:36.000 --> 00:29:38.759
Oh, no, my favourite was later, though.

650
00:29:38.819 --> 00:29:40.559
I've done it in the previous episode, though.

651
00:29:40.619 --> 00:29:41.339
What's it?

652
00:29:41.400 --> 00:29:42.059
No food.

653
00:29:42.059 --> 00:29:43.859
No food on the path.

654
00:29:43.920 --> 00:29:44.519
Cow hire.

655
00:29:44.579 --> 00:29:47.160
No refunds for those on the public.

656
00:29:47.220 --> 00:29:47.819
Sorry.

657
00:29:49.920 --> 00:29:53.819
You can count on almond to come in and just deliver the best comic

658
00:29:53.819 --> 00:29:54.119
lives.

659
00:29:54.180 --> 00:29:56.700
Like the rhythm of the line is absolutely perfect.

660
00:29:56.759 --> 00:29:58.680
The way it parallels the previous line.

661
00:29:58.740 --> 00:30:00.359
Like it's just perfectly constructed.

662
00:30:00.480 --> 00:30:03.779
Then, you know, people don't always get the rhythm, I think, is

663
00:30:03.779 --> 00:30:04.740
the thing.

664
00:30:04.859 --> 00:30:05.519
Is this a bit?

665
00:30:05.579 --> 00:30:06.420
No, it's a bit later.

666
00:30:06.480 --> 00:30:10.920
The silent gag where they're going, you know, who will be fast to

667
00:30:10.920 --> 00:30:11.400
get the noise?

668
00:30:11.400 --> 00:30:14.519
Oh, and everyone's step, they all step backwards and leave Julian

669
00:30:14.519 --> 00:30:16.019
at the front that he doesn't realise.

670
00:30:16.019 --> 00:30:19.380
Marto says, I wasn't expecting you to volunteer and he looks

671
00:30:19.380 --> 00:30:22.019
around and goes, no, I wasn't expecting it either.

672
00:30:23.460 --> 00:30:25.680
Oh, this looks miserable.

673
00:30:25.740 --> 00:30:29.279
I can't imagine anything worse than sitting in a sauna with 4

674
00:30:29.279 --> 00:30:31.079
straight men singing boring songs.

675
00:30:31.200 --> 00:30:32.339
Jesus Christ.

676
00:30:32.400 --> 00:30:33.299
That's the thing.

677
00:30:35.039 --> 00:30:37.319
Dax has got the right idea.

678
00:30:37.380 --> 00:30:41.640
She gets old Manuel from the Starship Sutherland to get all his

679
00:30:41.640 --> 00:30:43.980
clothes off and start juggling fire.

680
00:30:44.700 --> 00:30:48.900
Although Michael Dool does have a nice voice, doesn't he?

681
00:30:48.960 --> 00:30:50.099
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

682
00:30:50.160 --> 00:30:51.960
Well, they're singing in proper harmony here.

683
00:30:52.019 --> 00:30:54.900
Like the 2 of them have clearly practised this because they're

684
00:30:54.900 --> 00:30:55.440
singing different parts.

685
00:30:55.500 --> 00:30:57.059
It's not super complicated or anything.

686
00:30:57.119 --> 00:30:59.220
Look at ducks' muscles there.

687
00:30:59.279 --> 00:30:59.940
Go on, girl.

688
00:31:00.059 --> 00:31:03.960
So normally, of course, you know, the actor would be carrying

689
00:31:03.960 --> 00:31:08.759
something incredibly light, but it's absolutely clear that she's

690
00:31:08.759 --> 00:31:09.180
not.

691
00:31:09.240 --> 00:31:10.740
There's no hiding there, is there?

692
00:31:10.799 --> 00:31:11.519
That's right.

693
00:31:11.579 --> 00:31:12.539
That's it.

694
00:31:12.599 --> 00:31:14.279
Like, she looks great.

695
00:31:14.339 --> 00:31:18.599
Like, you know, she's not hugely muscular, but she is muscular.

696
00:31:18.660 --> 00:31:21.779
I mean, she's lean and she's an attractive, conventionally

697
00:31:21.779 --> 00:31:24.779
attractive woman, but they're a muscle player.

698
00:31:24.839 --> 00:31:28.920
This is the same woman who played that meek Dax in series one.

699
00:31:29.940 --> 00:31:33.900
Yeah, I was really underwhelmed by her in series one when I 1st

700
00:31:33.900 --> 00:31:34.319
saw it.

701
00:31:34.380 --> 00:31:37.019
I thought she was the least interesting character by far.

702
00:31:37.079 --> 00:31:38.819
And she's magnificent at this point.

703
00:31:39.000 --> 00:31:40.200
I turn it around, don't they?

704
00:31:40.319 --> 00:31:40.859
Yeah.

705
00:31:41.339 --> 00:31:45.420
To the point where people were going, how could Asri possibly live

706
00:31:45.420 --> 00:31:45.900
up to her?

707
00:31:45.960 --> 00:31:49.200
Of course, they just go in a completely different direction.

708
00:31:49.259 --> 00:31:50.759
Yeah, absolutely adorable.

709
00:31:50.819 --> 00:31:52.019
Like just absolutely fantastic.

710
00:31:52.259 --> 00:31:56.880
I love her crown, the crown that Cirella is wearing is so

711
00:31:56.880 --> 00:31:57.720
beautiful, isn't it?

712
00:31:57.779 --> 00:32:00.720
I think I got this speech from my ex-muff-in-law, you know.

713
00:32:00.779 --> 00:32:04.440
In this family, at best you would be an object of pity.

714
00:32:07.019 --> 00:32:10.799
Do you know, she used to make me, oh, 1st moved in, right?

715
00:32:10.859 --> 00:32:14.339
She used to make me go and make her cups of tea, yeah. and I'd

716
00:32:14.339 --> 00:32:16.259
make it for her and she was at a massive house.

717
00:32:16.319 --> 00:32:18.900
She was right at the other end and I take it to her and she'd go

718
00:32:18.900 --> 00:32:21.000
it's not really tea coloured, is it?

719
00:32:21.059 --> 00:32:21.599
Try again.

720
00:32:21.660 --> 00:32:23.279
And send me away again.

721
00:32:23.339 --> 00:32:25.980
She was worse than Syrilla.

722
00:32:26.039 --> 00:32:26.700
I'll tell you.

723
00:32:26.759 --> 00:32:29.880
We were actually very good friends by the time the separation.

724
00:32:29.940 --> 00:32:32.579
I was going to miss her more than him.

725
00:32:34.140 --> 00:32:38.400
Now this scene, this is the one scene I don't quite understand.

726
00:32:38.460 --> 00:32:43.559
I don't understand why Jad Sia gives her the true historical

727
00:32:43.559 --> 00:32:43.920
account.

728
00:32:44.160 --> 00:32:48.900
It's pissing her off and she knows, like, why is she doing this?

729
00:32:48.960 --> 00:32:50.160
Yeah, yeah.

730
00:32:50.220 --> 00:32:51.960
And it's sort of boring as well.

731
00:32:52.019 --> 00:32:54.779
Like, I just don't, like, it's not that interesting a scene.

732
00:32:54.839 --> 00:32:57.059
And like the dynamic between them.

733
00:32:57.119 --> 00:32:59.579
Like, I don't quite know what the dynamic's supposed to be.

734
00:32:59.640 --> 00:33:01.500
She's winning.

735
00:33:01.559 --> 00:33:01.799
Why?

736
00:33:01.859 --> 00:33:05.640
You know, like, and it doesn't lead to anything because it's not

737
00:33:05.640 --> 00:33:09.240
that that makes her call the wedding off or anything like that.

738
00:33:09.299 --> 00:33:13.380
It's much more fun when she turns up in the quarters and goes, you

739
00:33:13.380 --> 00:33:16.079
know, you're sitting there dressed like a rising slut.

740
00:33:16.140 --> 00:33:20.460
I mean, there's something about, you know, the fact that Dax is so

741
00:33:20.460 --> 00:33:25.140
much older than her and has so much experience and she's

742
00:33:25.140 --> 00:33:27.180
presenting herself as this matriarch.

743
00:33:27.240 --> 00:33:31.200
You know, there might be something interesting, but that doesn't

744
00:33:31.200 --> 00:33:33.480
seem to be what the dynamic is based on here.

745
00:33:33.539 --> 00:33:34.920
I just, I don't get it.

746
00:33:34.980 --> 00:33:38.099
She's still using those obvious fakes from the earlier scene as

747
00:33:38.099 --> 00:33:38.819
well. you know?

748
00:33:38.880 --> 00:33:39.900
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

749
00:33:39.960 --> 00:33:40.980
I have candles.

750
00:33:41.940 --> 00:33:45.059
But yeah, very odd.

751
00:33:45.119 --> 00:33:48.599
Although one decision that they made, I think I read in Jammer's

752
00:33:48.599 --> 00:33:49.200
review, actually.

753
00:33:49.259 --> 00:33:51.299
It was sort of 2.5 stars.

754
00:33:51.359 --> 00:33:52.859
You said one Ben he gave it, didn't he?

755
00:33:52.920 --> 00:33:53.700
Yeah.

756
00:33:53.759 --> 00:33:57.119
And he was going, oh, you know, you miss the scene where she

757
00:33:57.119 --> 00:33:59.819
apologises to, No, we know that's gonna happen.

758
00:33:59.880 --> 00:34:02.339
What on earth benefit would we get from seeing that?

759
00:34:02.400 --> 00:34:05.940
Yeah, I wanted to talk about that because I actually think that

760
00:34:05.940 --> 00:34:07.500
that resolution is really great.

761
00:34:07.559 --> 00:34:11.699
And like I said, it's the standard sitcom scene where the mother

762
00:34:11.039 --> 00:34:15.179
in-law says, I find it touching that you went to all that trouble

763
00:34:15.179 --> 00:34:19.199
or that just shows me how much you love him and or it shows me

764
00:34:19.199 --> 00:34:21.719
that you are you have the heart of a Klingon because you punch

765
00:34:21.719 --> 00:34:22.440
someone in the face.

766
00:34:22.500 --> 00:34:23.400
Do you know what I mean?

767
00:34:23.460 --> 00:34:24.900
Like, it doesn't matter.

768
00:34:24.960 --> 00:34:27.119
We do need to know that it's resolved.

769
00:34:27.179 --> 00:34:32.219
And I think the line, Sirella's line is so gracious and so

770
00:34:32.219 --> 00:34:33.300
accepting.

771
00:34:33.420 --> 00:34:34.380
Like, it's really good.

772
00:34:34.380 --> 00:34:38.039
She must have begged a lot, you know, when she went to it.

773
00:34:38.099 --> 00:34:38.760
And that's it.

774
00:34:38.880 --> 00:34:39.780
If she's begging.

775
00:34:39.840 --> 00:34:43.079
Like, if it really is, she has to beg Sirella for forgiveness, why

776
00:34:43.079 --> 00:34:44.340
would we want to see that?

777
00:34:44.400 --> 00:34:47.400
Like, in what way is that enjoyable for us to watch?

778
00:34:47.460 --> 00:34:49.380
This thing is well right.

779
00:34:49.440 --> 00:34:52.199
It's just Jake and Kira on the problem.

780
00:34:52.260 --> 00:34:53.219
It just feels busy.

781
00:34:53.280 --> 00:34:56.820
This whole station just feels like it's sort of thriving at the

782
00:34:56.820 --> 00:34:57.000
moment.

783
00:34:57.059 --> 00:35:01.679
So it's also doing, it's doing the Odo thing because he sees, you

784
00:35:01.679 --> 00:35:05.579
know, we see Odo and then Odo sees her and he pisses off in the

785
00:35:05.579 --> 00:35:06.239
background.

786
00:35:06.300 --> 00:35:08.400
And so that's what that's for.

787
00:35:08.460 --> 00:35:13.440
And then we're also talking about, what's happening in the, in the

788
00:35:13.440 --> 00:35:15.659
you know, on the road to Calhire.

789
00:35:15.719 --> 00:35:20.159
But she gives him a look, as if to say...

790
00:35:21.599 --> 00:35:23.820
Go right initial stories.

791
00:35:23.820 --> 00:35:24.420
So stupid.

792
00:35:24.900 --> 00:35:27.059
I mean, they are right.

793
00:35:27.119 --> 00:35:28.559
They are. right.

794
00:35:29.579 --> 00:35:31.559
This is so funny.

795
00:35:31.619 --> 00:35:33.000
Oh, it's Julian's asleep.

796
00:35:33.059 --> 00:35:34.500
That's why he doesn't step forward.

797
00:35:34.559 --> 00:35:36.659
He's kind of, he's not eaten for 2 days.

798
00:35:36.719 --> 00:35:38.219
He's such a star.

799
00:35:38.280 --> 00:35:39.840
And then he looks around.

800
00:35:41.940 --> 00:35:44.099
Did you see the gleam?

801
00:35:44.159 --> 00:35:46.139
Look at the gleaming wharf's eye with a knife.

802
00:35:46.199 --> 00:35:49.019
I do not think it would be you, doctor.

803
00:35:49.079 --> 00:35:49.559
Let's go.

804
00:35:51.000 --> 00:35:52.920
Oh, dear.

805
00:35:52.980 --> 00:35:54.420
Oh, we set the time for the hot man.

806
00:35:54.480 --> 00:35:55.199
Oh, yes.

807
00:35:55.260 --> 00:35:57.000
Come on, man.

808
00:35:57.059 --> 00:35:58.800
Yeah, isn't he great?

809
00:35:58.920 --> 00:36:00.480
Do you know what I like as well?

810
00:36:00.539 --> 00:36:02.639
He's got a little bit of a tum. very sexy.

811
00:36:02.699 --> 00:36:03.599
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

812
00:36:03.659 --> 00:36:04.739
It's a lion.

813
00:36:04.800 --> 00:36:07.320
The actor's name's Sidney Liu Fow, I think.

814
00:36:07.380 --> 00:36:09.119
I hope I'm pronouncing it correctly.

815
00:36:09.179 --> 00:36:12.659
And his name is Manuela Artoa from the Sutherland.

816
00:36:12.719 --> 00:36:17.039
And the original idea was that he was going to be Samoan, but he's

817
00:36:17.039 --> 00:36:18.659
the actor's Hawaiian.

818
00:36:18.719 --> 00:36:21.300
And so he, like, I think he's beautiful.

819
00:36:21.360 --> 00:36:26.159
Like I just think he's absolutely gorgeous and and what's really

820
00:36:26.159 --> 00:36:29.460
great is that the girls think he's hot as well.

821
00:36:30.900 --> 00:36:33.480
Lisa is all over him.

822
00:36:33.539 --> 00:36:34.860
Look at Lita.

823
00:36:34.920 --> 00:36:36.059
Look at Lena looking at him.

824
00:36:36.119 --> 00:36:37.079
She's biting his leg.

825
00:36:37.139 --> 00:36:39.780
Mum goes, I've never seen anything like that.

826
00:36:39.840 --> 00:36:41.699
She goes...

827
00:36:41.760 --> 00:36:43.019
She's really into it.

828
00:36:43.260 --> 00:36:46.260
Did you notice as well in the next scene?

829
00:36:46.320 --> 00:36:47.760
Leah's on the bloody table.

830
00:36:47.820 --> 00:36:51.059
Rob's trying to get her down and she's pissed as houses on the

831
00:36:51.059 --> 00:36:51.420
table.

832
00:36:51.480 --> 00:36:54.719
But she's playing the drums with Manuela as well.

833
00:36:54.780 --> 00:36:57.840
Look, Danks is playing the drums in the background of this scene.

834
00:36:57.900 --> 00:37:04.199
I think it's really great because Star Trek is, you know, so male

835
00:37:04.199 --> 00:37:06.119
gaze focussed. you know what I mean?

836
00:37:06.179 --> 00:37:09.960
Like they now Kurtzmanrek has beautiful men all over the place

837
00:37:09.960 --> 00:37:10.260
right?

838
00:37:10.320 --> 00:37:13.559
But it's not a thing that happens in original Star Trek and it's

839
00:37:13.559 --> 00:37:14.760
not a thing that they even think of.

840
00:37:14.940 --> 00:37:19.260
And think about all of the kind of fairly uglier and unimpressive

841
00:37:19.260 --> 00:37:22.860
men that the women fall in love with in Star Trek.

842
00:37:22.920 --> 00:37:25.440
So we've come in the 90s. a few of them, aren't we?

843
00:37:25.559 --> 00:37:25.920
yeah, yeah.

844
00:37:25.980 --> 00:37:27.239
Do you remember?

845
00:37:27.239 --> 00:37:27.659
Yeah.

846
00:37:27.719 --> 00:37:32.039
So this scene here, the the ending doesn't work without this

847
00:37:32.039 --> 00:37:32.400
scene.

848
00:37:32.460 --> 00:37:36.900
So this scene where the 2 of them are hanging over the fire and

849
00:37:36.900 --> 00:37:43.500
Julian says he's having a vision that he's going to kill war. going

850
00:37:43.500 --> 00:37:44.280
to kill war.

851
00:37:44.340 --> 00:37:46.079
I'm going kill him.

852
00:37:46.139 --> 00:37:47.820
That's what I'm going to do.

853
00:37:47.820 --> 00:37:49.800
I can see it so clearly now.

854
00:37:49.800 --> 00:37:52.559
And that scene is funny in itself.

855
00:37:52.619 --> 00:37:54.599
It works by itself.

856
00:37:54.659 --> 00:37:55.920
Do you know what I mean?

857
00:37:55.980 --> 00:37:58.679
Like, it's it's funny. those 2 boys.

858
00:37:58.739 --> 00:37:59.519
Do you know what I mean?

859
00:37:59.579 --> 00:38:00.780
They're having a really terrible time.

860
00:38:00.840 --> 00:38:04.559
Well, this party is going on elsewhere on the stage.

861
00:38:04.739 --> 00:38:09.000
She's having the best time. and more doesn't chess bub with

862
00:38:09.000 --> 00:38:09.599
Napoleon.

863
00:38:09.659 --> 00:38:12.000
Oh, they had a fight before.

864
00:38:12.059 --> 00:38:13.320
So they had a fight before.

865
00:38:13.380 --> 00:38:16.079
Oh, and this. this is so great.

866
00:38:16.139 --> 00:38:20.039
She goes, this party will continue as long as the chief officer

867
00:38:20.039 --> 00:38:21.179
says, it just happens to be me.

868
00:38:21.239 --> 00:38:22.440
Yeah, yeah.

869
00:38:22.500 --> 00:38:25.260
But neither of them are making eye contact like they're having

870
00:38:25.260 --> 00:38:27.960
this conversation, but they're not making eye contact with each

871
00:38:27.960 --> 00:38:28.199
other.

872
00:38:28.260 --> 00:38:29.880
She's not looking at him at all.

873
00:38:29.940 --> 00:38:33.840
He was never going to say what she says here.

874
00:38:33.900 --> 00:38:35.699
I'm so pleased she's the one that does it.

875
00:38:35.760 --> 00:38:38.280
She just goes, Odo, don't you think we need to talk?

876
00:38:38.340 --> 00:38:39.000
Yeah.

877
00:38:39.000 --> 00:38:43.019
Because I don't know if you remember that amazing scene in favour

878
00:38:43.019 --> 00:38:47.099
of the bold, where he says, I'm sorry, and she goes, we are way

879
00:38:47.099 --> 00:38:48.420
way past.

880
00:38:48.480 --> 00:38:49.980
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

881
00:38:50.039 --> 00:38:50.519
Great.

882
00:38:50.579 --> 00:38:51.239
Yes.

883
00:38:51.300 --> 00:38:55.199
No, I really like it because it needs to be resolved, but we don't

884
00:38:55.199 --> 00:38:55.739
need to see it.

885
00:38:55.860 --> 00:38:59.579
And you know, we just don't need to see it, you know, and they had

886
00:38:59.579 --> 00:39:00.360
some plan.

887
00:39:00.420 --> 00:39:03.539
We did need to see every part of their romance in his way

888
00:39:03.539 --> 00:39:04.800
because...

889
00:39:04.860 --> 00:39:06.420
And we needed to see this fucking party.

890
00:39:06.480 --> 00:39:08.099
Like, I don't want to watch them talking.

891
00:39:08.159 --> 00:39:09.300
I want to go.

892
00:39:09.360 --> 00:39:10.800
I want to be at this party, you know.

893
00:39:10.860 --> 00:39:12.780
No, it was so great as well in the morning.

894
00:39:12.840 --> 00:39:14.219
They're still in the closet.

895
00:39:14.280 --> 00:39:15.599
They go, what the hell is the time?

896
00:39:15.659 --> 00:39:17.219
It's 1030 in the morning.

897
00:39:17.280 --> 00:39:18.539
Oh, God, I'm on duty.

898
00:39:18.599 --> 00:39:18.960
Jesus.

899
00:39:19.019 --> 00:39:21.900
Manuela's fire eat, fire breathing.

900
00:39:21.960 --> 00:39:22.679
Oh my goodness.

901
00:39:22.739 --> 00:39:25.199
And I like the fact that Dax is very honest.

902
00:39:25.260 --> 00:39:27.059
He goes, I'll get you a couple more days off.

903
00:39:27.119 --> 00:39:29.639
Just stay here and give me something nice to look at.

904
00:39:29.699 --> 00:39:31.320
Yeah, yeah, stay here and be me.

905
00:39:31.380 --> 00:39:33.780
And Captain Shelby gets a count out.

906
00:39:33.840 --> 00:39:36.300
She's the she's the captain of the Sutherland.

907
00:39:36.360 --> 00:39:40.019
Nathan, I don't get to say this too often on untitled Star Trek

908
00:39:40.019 --> 00:39:42.840
but God, you just get on him and ride him, wouldn't you?

909
00:39:42.900 --> 00:39:44.880
I mean, look at him pretty, isn't he?

910
00:39:44.940 --> 00:39:46.800
It is adorable.

911
00:39:46.860 --> 00:39:47.760
He's adorable.

912
00:39:47.820 --> 00:39:49.079
This is wonderful.

913
00:39:49.139 --> 00:39:51.659
This is the most soap moment of the whole episode.

914
00:39:51.719 --> 00:39:55.500
Leave her or I'll cut your head off and hang it from my belt.

915
00:39:56.820 --> 00:39:59.099
I love a dress too.

916
00:39:59.219 --> 00:40:00.599
Isn't her dress beautiful?

917
00:40:00.659 --> 00:40:04.260
I bet she can pie, Serena, you know, when she walks to.

918
00:40:04.320 --> 00:40:07.320
Yeah, yeah. busy.

919
00:40:11.820 --> 00:40:15.000
I can't believe she slaps around the face.

920
00:40:15.059 --> 00:40:16.500
It's great, isn't it?

921
00:40:16.559 --> 00:40:19.860
Like, it's absolutely superb and it's exactly what you want to

922
00:40:19.860 --> 00:40:20.219
happen.

923
00:40:21.119 --> 00:40:24.000
Poor dog gets shoved out the way.

924
00:40:24.360 --> 00:40:26.280
Please, please.

925
00:40:26.760 --> 00:40:29.159
And then she spits on the floor.

926
00:40:29.219 --> 00:40:32.940
Oh, she pretends she mimes spitting on the floor anyway.

927
00:40:33.659 --> 00:40:35.940
Look at Rom's face.

928
00:40:36.000 --> 00:40:40.739
He's absolutely baffled. what's going on That's a great reaction

929
00:40:40.739 --> 00:40:42.420
Slack John.

930
00:40:42.539 --> 00:40:43.079
Oh my god.

931
00:40:43.139 --> 00:40:45.599
There's that stupid dial that's that Aaron Eisenberg did.

932
00:40:45.659 --> 00:40:48.360
There's a whole bit in the documentary about that.

933
00:40:48.420 --> 00:40:50.639
It's like, I can't dance.

934
00:40:50.760 --> 00:40:51.960
He goes, just do something.

935
00:40:52.019 --> 00:40:54.719
And then everyone fell in love with that shit dance and started

936
00:40:54.719 --> 00:40:55.260
doing it.

937
00:40:55.320 --> 00:40:57.719
It's like the same from Wicked, isn't it?

938
00:40:57.780 --> 00:41:00.719
Where they all do alphabet's terrible doubt.

939
00:41:00.780 --> 00:41:05.039
And oh, so wait, you tell me.

940
00:41:05.099 --> 00:41:06.420
You should forget this sort of thing.

941
00:41:06.480 --> 00:41:08.639
Ma and Manuela last night.

942
00:41:08.699 --> 00:41:10.079
That's why they're still.

943
00:41:10.139 --> 00:41:11.280
Your issue is.

944
00:41:11.340 --> 00:41:13.320
There's no problem with that.

945
00:41:13.380 --> 00:41:15.179
It's the night before the wedding.

946
00:41:15.239 --> 00:41:17.039
No, she's not married yet.

947
00:41:17.099 --> 00:41:19.019
And so that's definitely a thing that happened.

948
00:41:19.079 --> 00:41:19.739
Oh, look.

949
00:41:19.739 --> 00:41:22.559
Oh, hair morn is very well endowed, you know.

950
00:41:22.619 --> 00:41:23.639
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

951
00:41:27.179 --> 00:41:29.579
He takes 2 glasses with him.

952
00:41:29.639 --> 00:41:31.440
Come on let's go get a drink.

953
00:41:31.860 --> 00:41:33.780
But do you know what?

954
00:41:33.840 --> 00:41:34.860
Like, they've had a party.

955
00:41:34.920 --> 00:41:35.639
They're hungover.

956
00:41:35.699 --> 00:41:40.260
These just feel like real people, just for once. just, you know

957
00:41:40.260 --> 00:41:40.559
isn't it?

958
00:41:40.619 --> 00:41:43.739
Oh, and this is wharf.

959
00:41:43.800 --> 00:41:46.199
I love it when wharf is extremely melodramatic.

960
00:41:46.260 --> 00:41:50.099
And at the end of the scene where he goes, perhaps Sorella was

961
00:41:50.099 --> 00:41:54.420
right about you, there shall be no wedding. and then he flouts his

962
00:41:54.420 --> 00:41:54.659
off.

963
00:41:54.659 --> 00:41:57.960
Wolf is absolutely the woman of this elephant.

964
00:41:58.019 --> 00:41:59.760
Yeah, yeah, I really like that.

965
00:41:59.820 --> 00:42:02.579
But it's consistent with his character.

966
00:42:02.639 --> 00:42:05.280
Even consistent with his terrible character and let him, he was

967
00:42:05.280 --> 00:42:05.940
without sin.

968
00:42:06.000 --> 00:42:08.579
You know, like he's, of course he wants a traditional wedding

969
00:42:08.579 --> 00:42:09.900
because of the way he was brought up.

970
00:42:09.960 --> 00:42:13.019
He goes, you've been forbidden to join the House of Martoc.

971
00:42:13.079 --> 00:42:15.300
She goes, oh, I won't be invited to the family picnics.

972
00:42:15.360 --> 00:42:15.780
Who cares?

973
00:42:15.840 --> 00:42:19.199
she gets in bed, doesn't even take her boots off, yeah.

974
00:42:20.460 --> 00:42:22.500
Oh, yeah, we carry.

975
00:42:22.500 --> 00:42:24.300
I don't care in the climate.

976
00:42:27.300 --> 00:42:29.579
Kira looks so relaxed.

977
00:42:29.639 --> 00:42:30.239
Hi.

978
00:42:30.719 --> 00:42:33.059
That's really great, isn't it?

979
00:42:33.119 --> 00:42:35.219
It's like me at the start of these episodes.

980
00:42:37.320 --> 00:42:40.440
Oh, Kira's dress is beautiful as well.

981
00:42:40.500 --> 00:42:44.039
Gosh, the women, the women are both wearing such great casual

982
00:42:44.039 --> 00:42:44.519
wear.

983
00:42:44.579 --> 00:42:45.420
Party wear.

984
00:42:45.480 --> 00:42:49.440
Like, you get more of Kira and Dax than you think throughout the

985
00:42:49.440 --> 00:42:50.219
1st 6 years.

986
00:42:50.280 --> 00:42:53.159
And I'm really pleased that then when Ezri comes along, you then

987
00:42:53.159 --> 00:42:55.260
start getting Kira and Ezri scenes as well.

988
00:42:55.320 --> 00:42:58.739
Because there's just not enough women in 90s strike.

989
00:42:58.800 --> 00:42:59.400
No.

990
00:42:59.460 --> 00:43:00.059
Yeah.

991
00:43:01.320 --> 00:43:02.880
There you go.

992
00:43:02.940 --> 00:43:06.300
You go back to sweating and bleeding with your friends. get

993
00:43:06.300 --> 00:43:07.679
married in Benjamin's office.

994
00:43:11.039 --> 00:43:14.699
They're just looking at this confrontation, which absolutely needs

995
00:43:14.699 --> 00:43:16.380
to happen, doesn't it?

996
00:43:16.440 --> 00:43:18.719
So that we can have the wedding.

997
00:43:18.840 --> 00:43:20.460
I mean, the wedding had to be called off at some point.

998
00:43:20.519 --> 00:43:21.960
Yeah, of course it did.

999
00:43:22.019 --> 00:43:22.679
Of course it did.

1000
00:43:22.739 --> 00:43:23.940
It's wedding episode.

1001
00:43:24.000 --> 00:43:25.980
It happens in day to day, remember?

1002
00:43:26.159 --> 00:43:30.780
But what's so great as well is after this, they could have just

1003
00:43:30.780 --> 00:43:31.619
okay, fine, they got married.

1004
00:43:31.679 --> 00:43:32.400
They're living together.

1005
00:43:32.460 --> 00:43:36.360
We have seen after scene of their domestic arrangement at home

1006
00:43:36.360 --> 00:43:38.280
which I really love.

1007
00:43:38.280 --> 00:43:40.860
Like, it doesn't sound like a lot, right?

1008
00:43:40.920 --> 00:43:42.780
In TV terms, it doesn't sound like a lot.

1009
00:43:42.840 --> 00:43:45.719
You have 2 characters get married in a TV show and then you see

1010
00:43:45.719 --> 00:43:46.800
scenes of them at home.

1011
00:43:46.860 --> 00:43:48.900
But that's a lot in 90s Shrek.

1012
00:43:48.960 --> 00:43:50.099
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1013
00:43:50.219 --> 00:43:50.699
Yeah.

1014
00:43:50.760 --> 00:43:53.639
And so now we have 2 married couples on the on the station.

1015
00:43:53.699 --> 00:43:55.980
You know, like among the regular characters.

1016
00:43:56.039 --> 00:43:59.699
I don't know if you remember, Nathan, that fabulous, you know

1017
00:43:59.699 --> 00:44:02.280
subplot in Times Orphan, Bombay mix.

1018
00:44:02.340 --> 00:44:03.599
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1019
00:44:03.659 --> 00:44:06.659
That was a great sumplot, like a really properly great sumplot.

1020
00:44:06.719 --> 00:44:07.739
I really really enjoyed it.

1021
00:44:08.280 --> 00:44:12.719
And I'm pleased we get change of heart as well in the middle of

1022
00:44:12.719 --> 00:44:13.500
the season.

1023
00:44:13.500 --> 00:44:16.019
And that's it, you know, the episode that I think everyone knew

1024
00:44:16.019 --> 00:44:19.260
was coming where Warf would have to choose between his owner and

1025
00:44:19.260 --> 00:44:23.219
the mission and Dax, but so well played by the 2 of them.

1026
00:44:23.280 --> 00:44:27.480
Like, in a way, I kind it would be miserable for her to go out

1027
00:44:27.480 --> 00:44:30.059
that way for him to have chosen to have abandoned her.

1028
00:44:30.119 --> 00:44:30.900
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1029
00:44:30.960 --> 00:44:34.440
But it's probably a better last episode than the one she actually

1030
00:44:34.440 --> 00:44:34.800
gets.

1031
00:44:34.860 --> 00:44:35.940
Yeah, yeah.

1032
00:44:36.000 --> 00:44:37.199
Oh, this.

1033
00:44:37.199 --> 00:44:40.500
He sums up both Wharf and Dax.

1034
00:44:40.559 --> 00:44:41.820
He said, isn't it?

1035
00:44:41.880 --> 00:44:43.079
Pick Ed stubborn man.

1036
00:44:43.139 --> 00:44:47.340
He puts tradition above everything else and she's like frivolous

1037
00:44:47.340 --> 00:44:48.119
and stuff.

1038
00:44:48.179 --> 00:44:49.860
An emotional woman.

1039
00:44:49.920 --> 00:44:51.000
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1040
00:44:51.659 --> 00:44:52.619
You see what the problem is?

1041
00:44:52.679 --> 00:44:53.460
They're both right.

1042
00:44:53.519 --> 00:44:54.179
They're both riot.

1043
00:44:54.239 --> 00:44:54.420
Yeah.

1044
00:44:55.320 --> 00:44:58.619
That's exactly what you're thinking as well.

1045
00:44:58.679 --> 00:45:00.539
Like, that's exactly what you think.

1046
00:45:00.599 --> 00:45:01.380
He gets really great.

1047
00:45:01.440 --> 00:45:05.760
What's great is, I think, 0 my god, we can finally fucking eat.

1048
00:45:05.820 --> 00:45:10.559
And just the food porn that we get when finally the food arrives.

1049
00:45:10.860 --> 00:45:14.579
It's just that massive bread cob looks so amazing.

1050
00:45:14.639 --> 00:45:19.019
I'm like, oh, yeah. talk about this scene.

1051
00:45:19.079 --> 00:45:20.760
This scene is so good.

1052
00:45:20.820 --> 00:45:22.139
This is so good.

1053
00:45:22.199 --> 00:45:25.320
I think we've almost kind of talked about it already.

1054
00:45:25.380 --> 00:45:30.480
But you've got, like, this is, this is the centre of it, I think.

1055
00:45:30.539 --> 00:45:35.460
Yeah. because it's not really that Dax needs to overcome her pride

1056
00:45:35.460 --> 00:45:41.400
although that's important, but really it's Worf needs to put this

1057
00:45:41.400 --> 00:45:46.980
whole thing into perspective, I think, you know, and Martok is so

1058
00:45:46.980 --> 00:45:52.139
great because we've seen him and Sorella in that opening scene and

1059
00:45:52.139 --> 00:45:53.519
they're completely different.

1060
00:45:53.579 --> 00:45:58.320
They don't look like, you know, the loving couple that you kind of

1061
00:45:58.320 --> 00:46:00.239
imagine on telly.

1062
00:46:00.239 --> 00:46:02.280
And this, look at him describe her.

1063
00:46:02.340 --> 00:46:03.780
Look at Michael describing her.

1064
00:46:03.840 --> 00:46:06.840
She plays Tongo with the bartender.

1065
00:46:06.900 --> 00:46:08.699
I can barely stand him.

1066
00:46:08.760 --> 00:46:09.480
Now look at him.

1067
00:46:09.539 --> 00:46:11.760
She mocks everything.

1068
00:46:11.760 --> 00:46:13.320
And he's...

1069
00:46:13.320 --> 00:46:14.460
She mocks everything.

1070
00:46:14.519 --> 00:46:18.840
I take everything so seriously. smiling and that look, he realises

1071
00:46:18.840 --> 00:46:21.000
that that's why he loves her.

1072
00:46:21.059 --> 00:46:24.239
Like he, he, you know, it's so great.

1073
00:46:24.300 --> 00:46:27.360
And this, we're not accorded the luxury of choosing the women that

1074
00:46:27.360 --> 00:46:28.320
we fall in love with.

1075
00:46:28.380 --> 00:46:29.039
It's wonderful.

1076
00:46:29.099 --> 00:46:32.760
It's just like, I mean, I don't want to reveal too much about our

1077
00:46:32.760 --> 00:46:34.920
personal life, but you know, you and me, we've been friends

1078
00:46:34.920 --> 00:46:35.699
sometime now.

1079
00:46:35.760 --> 00:46:38.460
We've had many conversations about our overalls and they're

1080
00:46:38.460 --> 00:46:40.320
fucking irritating things they do all the time.

1081
00:46:40.380 --> 00:46:44.159
And yet, as Martok says, we do love them.

1082
00:46:44.219 --> 00:46:45.719
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1083
00:46:45.780 --> 00:46:46.260
Yeah.

1084
00:46:46.320 --> 00:46:52.019
It's almost an irrational love, but it's, you know, look at him.

1085
00:46:52.079 --> 00:46:53.940
Look at him selling it too.

1086
00:46:54.000 --> 00:46:54.840
You're right.

1087
00:46:54.900 --> 00:46:57.119
I hadn't really noticed this last time round.

1088
00:46:57.179 --> 00:47:00.360
But it's like, but yet I love her deeply and that's a kind of

1089
00:47:00.360 --> 00:47:01.260
cheesy line.

1090
00:47:01.320 --> 00:47:03.900
But fucking hell if Hans doesn't sell it.

1091
00:47:03.960 --> 00:47:07.320
Why it's so effective is because he usually spits and growls his

1092
00:47:07.320 --> 00:47:10.260
lines and here he speaks so softly.

1093
00:47:10.320 --> 00:47:15.119
Honour gives little comfort to a man alone in his home.

1094
00:47:15.179 --> 00:47:18.719
I mean, this could be pony lines, but they're great.

1095
00:47:18.780 --> 00:47:20.039
They look really great.

1096
00:47:20.579 --> 00:47:25.679
And back, oh, yeah, but then Wolf goes to try and apologise to her

1097
00:47:25.679 --> 00:47:27.119
and shit, having none of it.

1098
00:47:27.179 --> 00:47:27.840
Oh, fuck you.

1099
00:47:27.900 --> 00:47:28.380
All right.

1100
00:47:28.440 --> 00:47:29.460
You had your chance.

1101
00:47:29.519 --> 00:47:31.079
So this.

1102
00:47:31.139 --> 00:47:34.199
No, you see, it's not the mushrooms, but it is Julian's food.

1103
00:47:34.260 --> 00:47:36.780
Like, I don't know, I double L tear sandwich.

1104
00:47:36.840 --> 00:47:37.440
He gives a shit.

1105
00:47:37.500 --> 00:47:40.199
Oh, I can't have those prawns, though.

1106
00:47:40.260 --> 00:47:41.340
Look at those massive shrimps.

1107
00:47:41.400 --> 00:47:42.719
They kill me.

1108
00:47:42.780 --> 00:47:45.059
The jacket potato looks delicious.

1109
00:47:45.119 --> 00:47:47.340
You're right about the food, the bread, though.

1110
00:47:47.400 --> 00:47:49.920
Yeah, it takes you want to rip it over. amazing.

1111
00:47:49.980 --> 00:47:52.920
You know what will go great with that massive bread would be

1112
00:47:52.920 --> 00:47:54.059
fondue.

1113
00:47:54.119 --> 00:47:55.619
Just dipping it enough onto.

1114
00:47:55.679 --> 00:47:57.719
I'm missing you mop up the gravy from the steak.

1115
00:47:57.780 --> 00:47:58.500
Oh, we go.

1116
00:47:58.500 --> 00:48:00.300
No.

1117
00:48:00.300 --> 00:48:02.159
On the path...

1118
00:48:05.460 --> 00:48:08.039
Look at, Julian, the face.

1119
00:48:08.039 --> 00:48:09.719
I'm like, no.

1120
00:48:09.780 --> 00:48:11.159
Bring it back, please.

1121
00:48:11.579 --> 00:48:15.420
I mean, Nathan, if we didn't eat for 5 days, Can you imagine?

1122
00:48:15.480 --> 00:48:16.380
No, that could never happen.

1123
00:48:16.440 --> 00:48:20.820
I would literally kill somebody.

1124
00:48:20.880 --> 00:48:22.199
You haven't noticed, right?

1125
00:48:22.260 --> 00:48:24.239
I watched them because I watched this twice.

1126
00:48:24.300 --> 00:48:27.059
The 1st time I did notice them, the 2nd time, they're literally

1127
00:48:27.059 --> 00:48:30.480
constantly putting up the decorations and taking...

1128
00:48:30.539 --> 00:48:31.739
I look at his face.

1129
00:48:31.800 --> 00:48:33.360
He's like, oh, you kidding me?

1130
00:48:33.420 --> 00:48:34.500
got to put this up again.

1131
00:48:35.099 --> 00:48:37.079
Oh, I love that.

1132
00:48:37.139 --> 00:48:38.099
I do love this scene as well.

1133
00:48:38.159 --> 00:48:42.420
And I'll tell you for why, it's because Avery and Terry have just

1134
00:48:42.420 --> 00:48:44.280
got their chemistry down pan now.

1135
00:48:44.340 --> 00:48:49.079
So when after her anger subsides and she's on the sofa with him

1136
00:48:49.079 --> 00:48:52.619
and they're really tactile, they touch each other, she hugs into

1137
00:48:52.619 --> 00:48:55.440
him and I just buy it, I buy the friendship.

1138
00:48:55.500 --> 00:49:01.079
I mean, I'm not, I'm, I'm less convinced about this scene.

1139
00:49:01.139 --> 00:49:04.559
I think, because I think that because the Martok wharf scene is so

1140
00:49:04.559 --> 00:49:04.860
great.

1141
00:49:04.920 --> 00:49:07.199
Because Michael's performance is so subtle.

1142
00:49:07.260 --> 00:49:08.340
Come on.

1143
00:49:08.400 --> 00:49:10.920
Curse on negotiated near court. got news for you.

1144
00:49:10.980 --> 00:49:12.239
You ain't cursed on anymore.

1145
00:49:12.300 --> 00:49:13.679
Yeah.

1146
00:49:13.739 --> 00:49:14.579
Yeah.

1147
00:49:14.639 --> 00:49:15.840
Oh, he's great.

1148
00:49:15.900 --> 00:49:20.760
And I guess too, the thing here is a bit of a space thing as

1149
00:49:20.760 --> 00:49:20.940
well.

1150
00:49:21.000 --> 00:49:21.900
Do you know what I mean?

1151
00:49:21.960 --> 00:49:26.340
Like you're, uh, you know, 350 years old, but you just look like a

1152
00:49:26.340 --> 00:49:28.500
young woman and you have to kind of know your place.

1153
00:49:28.559 --> 00:49:30.059
Like, I don't know.

1154
00:49:30.119 --> 00:49:34.980
I like, no, but if she wants to join the family, she has to obey

1155
00:49:34.980 --> 00:49:36.059
the traditions.

1156
00:49:36.119 --> 00:49:37.500
That's fair, I think, you know?

1157
00:49:37.559 --> 00:49:38.039
Fine.

1158
00:49:38.099 --> 00:49:39.239
Don't join the family then.

1159
00:49:39.300 --> 00:49:46.199
I think, though, a better ending is Sorella recognises that she's

1160
00:49:46.199 --> 00:49:46.920
a Klingon.

1161
00:49:46.980 --> 00:49:50.460
You know, the, it's the, I'm not putting up with your crap and

1162
00:49:50.460 --> 00:49:52.800
it's kind of like you have the heart of a Klingon, don't you

1163
00:49:52.800 --> 00:49:52.980
think?

1164
00:49:54.119 --> 00:49:59.099
I do wonder if Dax's got a bit big for her boots at this point. to

1165
00:49:59.099 --> 00:50:00.119
get over herself a little bit.

1166
00:50:00.179 --> 00:50:04.679
But, you know, like, it's just the kind of like, no, beg the old

1167
00:50:04.679 --> 00:50:08.760
lady for forgiveness that's not a great outcome, and it's why I'm

1168
00:50:08.760 --> 00:50:10.679
glad that we're spared seeing it.

1169
00:50:10.739 --> 00:50:14.159
How she sums this up, though, because, you know, I was perfectly

1170
00:50:14.159 --> 00:50:15.300
happy being by myself.

1171
00:50:15.360 --> 00:50:16.619
I had friends, a career.

1172
00:50:16.679 --> 00:50:20.280
See, season 3 of Deep Space Nine, I was so happy.

1173
00:50:20.340 --> 00:50:24.539
And then Michael Dawn walked into my life and well, they realised

1174
00:50:24.539 --> 00:50:25.559
we had great chemistry.

1175
00:50:25.619 --> 00:50:29.039
I fucking hate the line, but this Klingon with a bad attitude

1176
00:50:29.039 --> 00:50:30.000
walked into our life.

1177
00:50:30.059 --> 00:50:32.639
It's so bad, what a cheesy day of life.

1178
00:50:32.699 --> 00:50:34.320
I have a total sitcom line, isn't it?

1179
00:50:34.380 --> 00:50:38.039
So, so, if, no, no, no, if, that's a great line, though.

1180
00:50:38.099 --> 00:50:41.699
Where he goes, she goes, I always leave with my heart, and he goes

1181
00:50:41.699 --> 00:50:45.179
that, you know, that's what I've always loved about you, and

1182
00:50:45.179 --> 00:50:46.380
that's why I love you too.

1183
00:50:46.440 --> 00:50:48.360
It's just because he says it so softly.

1184
00:50:48.420 --> 00:50:53.880
So she says that she's 356 years old here. which means that she

1185
00:50:53.880 --> 00:50:59.940
was born in 2018, which means that right now, as we record this

1186
00:50:59.940 --> 00:51:00.659
she's seven.

1187
00:51:00.719 --> 00:51:03.179
On the true home world, yeah?

1188
00:51:03.239 --> 00:51:04.980
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1189
00:51:05.039 --> 00:51:07.559
So she's not sure that worm hasn't gone to anyone.

1190
00:51:07.619 --> 00:51:09.840
Yeah, it's got opportunity for a little while. no I don't know.

1191
00:51:10.079 --> 00:51:13.440
Oh, don't you just want a hug from Avery Brooks?

1192
00:51:13.500 --> 00:51:14.820
He looks like a good hug.

1193
00:51:14.880 --> 00:51:17.699
I also like the I grew up thing and she says maybe it's time I

1194
00:51:17.699 --> 00:51:18.360
grew up too.

1195
00:51:18.420 --> 00:51:19.679
I thought that was pretty good.

1196
00:51:19.800 --> 00:51:20.820
I did think that was okay.

1197
00:51:20.880 --> 00:51:24.719
And it leans into the history of the 2 characters that Curzon used

1198
00:51:24.719 --> 00:51:27.300
to mentor, Cisco, now vice versa.

1199
00:51:27.360 --> 00:51:28.500
It's just nice.

1200
00:51:28.559 --> 00:51:31.739
It's that stuff I said to you about self-petuating character

1201
00:51:31.739 --> 00:51:33.960
scenes, just because they've set all this stuff up.

1202
00:51:34.019 --> 00:51:37.800
Now, I think this ceremony is fucking great.

1203
00:51:37.860 --> 00:51:42.360
I think that the speech about the Klingon heart is actually really

1204
00:51:42.360 --> 00:51:42.960
good.

1205
00:51:43.019 --> 00:51:44.880
Like, I think it's actually really good.

1206
00:51:44.940 --> 00:51:47.159
It's cheesy and science fictiony as hell.

1207
00:51:47.219 --> 00:51:47.880
Do you know what I mean?

1208
00:51:47.940 --> 00:51:50.760
But there's a poetry to it, which I don't think is terrible.

1209
00:51:50.820 --> 00:51:51.840
Look at that.

1210
00:51:51.900 --> 00:51:55.679
Look at how great Quark's bar looks with all those decorations.

1211
00:51:55.739 --> 00:51:57.719
Did you notice the wind instrument come in as well?

1212
00:51:57.780 --> 00:51:59.219
whilst the music was playing.

1213
00:51:59.280 --> 00:52:02.760
Obviously, you've got the drums going, but there's a flute that

1214
00:52:02.760 --> 00:52:03.539
comes in at one point.

1215
00:52:03.599 --> 00:52:05.099
But it's really good.

1216
00:52:05.159 --> 00:52:06.539
Like, I think it's really good.

1217
00:52:06.539 --> 00:52:11.039
And it's Ron Moore, who basically created the Klingons and created

1218
00:52:11.039 --> 00:52:12.719
the part of the mythos.

1219
00:52:12.840 --> 00:52:15.360
Didn't he, did he create the thing where the Klingons killed their

1220
00:52:15.360 --> 00:52:15.840
gods?

1221
00:52:15.900 --> 00:52:17.460
Because it's been mentioned.

1222
00:52:17.579 --> 00:52:18.840
It's been mentioned before.

1223
00:52:18.900 --> 00:52:20.880
It's mentioned in Star Trek, the next generation.

1224
00:52:20.940 --> 00:52:23.579
I think we've talked about it on this show at some point.

1225
00:52:23.639 --> 00:52:26.760
The thing is, it feels, and it does have to do both of these

1226
00:52:26.760 --> 00:52:27.119
things.

1227
00:52:27.179 --> 00:52:30.960
It feels authentically Klingon and it feels authentically

1228
00:52:30.960 --> 00:52:32.280
religious.

1229
00:52:32.340 --> 00:52:35.039
Well, religious as well, in a way that we recognise.

1230
00:52:35.099 --> 00:52:36.780
But also romantic.

1231
00:52:36.840 --> 00:52:40.860
Like it's just it's about how much the 2 of them love one another

1232
00:52:40.860 --> 00:52:44.280
and how strong their love is because they're Klingons.

1233
00:52:44.340 --> 00:52:48.179
It's also, and the best possible way is hugely dramatic.

1234
00:52:48.239 --> 00:52:51.300
And the gods knew that they had air.

1235
00:52:51.360 --> 00:52:52.500
I love it.

1236
00:52:52.559 --> 00:52:53.639
I think it's really good.

1237
00:52:53.699 --> 00:52:56.099
It could have been so shit, but I think it really, really works.

1238
00:52:56.219 --> 00:52:59.400
She has she has a bit of an issue with coming in.

1239
00:52:59.460 --> 00:53:00.179
She loved the dress.

1240
00:53:00.300 --> 00:53:01.320
Why wouldn't she?

1241
00:53:01.380 --> 00:53:02.519
She looks smoking fucking hot.

1242
00:53:02.579 --> 00:53:06.119
But they gave her boots that were too big and she goes, I wish

1243
00:53:06.119 --> 00:53:07.500
they cut the bit of me coming in.

1244
00:53:07.559 --> 00:53:09.539
I look like a trucker coming along to a wedding.

1245
00:53:09.840 --> 00:53:12.179
I did keep an eye out for it.

1246
00:53:12.239 --> 00:53:13.800
No, I think she's a bit harder on herself.

1247
00:53:13.860 --> 00:53:17.280
I think if you didn't know that you wouldn't pick up on it.

1248
00:53:17.760 --> 00:53:21.539
Oh, so here's Alexander's role, which obviously we need to see

1249
00:53:21.539 --> 00:53:23.159
because it justifies the thing.

1250
00:53:23.219 --> 00:53:26.099
The 2nd heart beats stronger than the first.

1251
00:53:26.460 --> 00:53:29.400
I mean, for once, they've just got the costumes.

1252
00:53:29.460 --> 00:53:29.760
Perfect.

1253
00:53:29.820 --> 00:53:31.980
They both look terrific.

1254
00:53:32.039 --> 00:53:34.920
The headdresses as well.

1255
00:53:34.980 --> 00:53:37.619
Yeah, yeah, yeah, he looks beautiful, doesn't he?

1256
00:53:37.679 --> 00:53:38.460
They look great.

1257
00:53:39.420 --> 00:53:42.000
Jamma, go and watch this again.

1258
00:53:42.059 --> 00:53:43.320
Why wouldn't they be in love?

1259
00:53:43.380 --> 00:53:45.420
They're so fucking smoking hot, the pair.

1260
00:53:45.480 --> 00:53:46.139
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1261
00:53:46.199 --> 00:53:47.699
And Sorella's line as well.

1262
00:53:47.760 --> 00:53:51.239
When the 2 hearts began to beat together, did she say something?

1263
00:53:51.239 --> 00:53:52.980
Like nothing could even stop them.

1264
00:53:53.400 --> 00:53:55.019
Oh, that's coming.

1265
00:53:55.019 --> 00:53:58.019
Yeah, yeah, for the 1st time, the guards knew fear.

1266
00:53:58.079 --> 00:54:00.480
They tried to flee, but it was too late.

1267
00:54:00.539 --> 00:54:05.579
The Klingon hearts destroyed the gods who created them. and turned

1268
00:54:05.579 --> 00:54:06.960
the heavens to ashes.

1269
00:54:07.019 --> 00:54:07.920
Ready?

1270
00:54:07.920 --> 00:54:12.719
To this very day, no one can oppose the beating of 2 Klingon

1271
00:54:12.719 --> 00:54:13.019
hearts.

1272
00:54:13.139 --> 00:54:16.139
Not even...

1273
00:54:16.139 --> 00:54:17.219
Doesn't she say?

1274
00:54:17.280 --> 00:54:18.480
No, even me.

1275
00:54:18.539 --> 00:54:21.480
Not even me, which I thought was really good, and it's actually

1276
00:54:21.480 --> 00:54:25.920
beautifully delivered, and she looks straight at Jadzia, and

1277
00:54:25.920 --> 00:54:27.900
Jadzia looks at her.

1278
00:54:27.960 --> 00:54:30.480
And I think that, you know, the idea that that's been achieved by

1279
00:54:30.480 --> 00:54:32.579
her grovelling to Sirella.

1280
00:54:32.639 --> 00:54:35.519
I don't think that's a great outcome, but fortunately we don't

1281
00:54:35.519 --> 00:54:35.940
have to see it.

1282
00:54:36.000 --> 00:54:37.440
Did you see that?

1283
00:54:37.500 --> 00:54:43.920
We cut to the Ferengi family and Lita looks at Rom, like she is so

1284
00:54:43.920 --> 00:54:44.820
in love with him.

1285
00:54:45.239 --> 00:54:47.519
Just little moments like that.

1286
00:54:47.579 --> 00:54:48.719
I love this show.

1287
00:54:48.780 --> 00:54:49.739
It's great, it's lovely.

1288
00:54:49.739 --> 00:54:50.760
It's really probably good.

1289
00:54:50.820 --> 00:54:54.239
I like it when she says my daughter as well and gets in the

1290
00:54:54.239 --> 00:54:54.480
heart.

1291
00:54:54.539 --> 00:54:55.139
I do too.

1292
00:54:55.199 --> 00:54:56.699
I think it's very generous.

1293
00:54:56.760 --> 00:54:57.840
It's lovely. yeah, yeah.

1294
00:54:57.900 --> 00:54:58.199
Yeah.

1295
00:54:58.260 --> 00:55:00.659
Oh, your joke's still to come yet, though.

1296
00:55:00.780 --> 00:55:01.139
Now?

1297
00:55:01.559 --> 00:55:04.440
I really, genuinely thought, can we eat?

1298
00:55:04.500 --> 00:55:05.280
Can we eat now?

1299
00:55:05.340 --> 00:55:06.239
Can we eat?

1300
00:55:06.360 --> 00:55:07.440
Because that's all I was thinking of.

1301
00:55:07.500 --> 00:55:10.380
I don't think it maybe it's designed like that too.

1302
00:55:10.440 --> 00:55:15.059
Like maybe we have that whole food thing there to throw us off the

1303
00:55:15.059 --> 00:55:15.360
track.

1304
00:55:15.420 --> 00:55:18.000
I know, because they've got the fucking sticks.

1305
00:55:18.059 --> 00:55:19.320
Like, how did I not pick it up?

1306
00:55:19.380 --> 00:55:21.239
They're there with the big drumsticks in there.

1307
00:55:21.300 --> 00:55:26.820
It's when they both go...

1308
00:55:26.820 --> 00:55:28.440
But again, we're so used to it.

1309
00:55:28.500 --> 00:55:30.300
Yeah, look, now, now.

1310
00:55:31.380 --> 00:55:35.039
I want to beat the shit out of that gang on prick.

1311
00:55:35.099 --> 00:55:35.639
Come on.

1312
00:55:35.760 --> 00:55:37.619
And it's stupid.

1313
00:55:37.739 --> 00:55:38.639
Do they beat them both up?

1314
00:55:38.699 --> 00:55:40.920
No, no, no, no. would be no fun.

1315
00:55:41.039 --> 00:55:42.840
And they hug.

1316
00:55:42.900 --> 00:55:43.260
Look at that.

1317
00:55:43.320 --> 00:55:44.159
Here we go.

1318
00:55:47.579 --> 00:55:49.800
It's so good.

1319
00:55:49.860 --> 00:55:51.119
That's so great.

1320
00:55:51.179 --> 00:55:53.280
Just wear it fades to black.

1321
00:55:53.340 --> 00:55:54.179
It's just perfect.

1322
00:55:54.300 --> 00:55:56.820
And Star Trek so rarely does that.

1323
00:55:56.880 --> 00:56:01.800
It's so rarely willing to forego the stupid scene at the end where

1324
00:56:01.800 --> 00:56:04.199
everyone tells us how they feel about what's gone on.

1325
00:56:04.260 --> 00:56:08.159
Well, do you remember we, you know, one more, forgot this lesson

1326
00:56:08.159 --> 00:56:11.039
because we love to take me out to the hollow suite, but then we

1327
00:56:11.039 --> 00:56:13.440
have that scene in Quarks at the end, you know, where they're

1328
00:56:13.440 --> 00:56:17.340
always... and there's a crap joke. than you, you know.

1329
00:56:17.400 --> 00:56:19.320
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1330
00:56:19.380 --> 00:56:20.940
This ends on the gag.

1331
00:56:21.000 --> 00:56:21.780
Wonderful.

1332
00:56:21.780 --> 00:56:22.679
It's really good.

1333
00:56:22.739 --> 00:56:23.340
It's really good.

1334
00:56:23.400 --> 00:56:24.420
We need more of that.

1335
00:56:24.719 --> 00:56:25.500
Mission.

1336
00:56:25.559 --> 00:56:30.360
This week was to hang out with my favourite crew and have a great

1337
00:56:30.360 --> 00:56:33.000
time and I think we've succeeded admirably.

1338
00:56:33.059 --> 00:56:34.679
Absolutely, we have.

1339
00:56:34.739 --> 00:56:38.880
We've just been screaming out lines and laughing our head off for

1340
00:56:38.880 --> 00:56:39.300
an hour.

1341
00:56:39.360 --> 00:56:41.039
No, this was really great.

1342
00:56:41.159 --> 00:56:43.139
Much, much better than I anticipated.

1343
00:56:43.199 --> 00:56:46.559
Really, really properly fun, just well done and so enjoyable.

1344
00:56:46.679 --> 00:56:50.280
Is the key then, because you and me, we've done some miserable

1345
00:56:50.280 --> 00:56:52.679
romance episodes in 90s trek, yeah?

1346
00:56:52.739 --> 00:56:57.659
It's the key to getting a romance episode right in Star Trek that

1347
00:56:57.659 --> 00:57:00.960
it's too regulars because we love this and we loved his way.

1348
00:57:01.019 --> 00:57:02.880
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1349
00:57:02.940 --> 00:57:07.260
And do you remember the, um, that beautiful episode in Discovery

1350
00:57:07.260 --> 00:57:09.539
with Gray and Adira as well.

1351
00:57:11.460 --> 00:57:12.719
Yeah, so I...

1352
00:57:12.719 --> 00:57:16.320
It doesn't work so much when a one shot, you know, murder shot act

1353
00:57:16.320 --> 00:57:17.880
because we know it's not going to go anywhere.

1354
00:57:17.940 --> 00:57:21.420
I mean, I like a one shot romance episode.

1355
00:57:21.480 --> 00:57:25.440
Like I like it as an idea and it's, you know, in this sort of TV

1356
00:57:25.440 --> 00:57:28.260
in this sort of anthology show or this sort of very lightly

1357
00:57:28.260 --> 00:57:31.019
serialised television, it's often the only thing that you can hope

1358
00:57:31.019 --> 00:57:36.480
for, but because Deep Space 9 is a soap opera rather than that, you

1359
00:57:36.480 --> 00:57:38.820
know, we've had time for that relationship to happen.

1360
00:57:38.880 --> 00:57:42.059
And so you don't have to introduce the person, you don't really

1361
00:57:42.059 --> 00:57:43.739
have to spend time.

1362
00:57:43.800 --> 00:57:46.739
You do a little thing, you know, that thing where Kira and Dax are

1363
00:57:46.739 --> 00:57:48.599
talking about wharf and what he's like.

1364
00:57:48.659 --> 00:57:52.800
You know, we learn a little bit about how she sees him, all of

1365
00:57:52.800 --> 00:57:55.380
that sort of stuff, but it's part of a bigger picture, and it

1366
00:57:55.380 --> 00:57:57.420
matters to us more, and it's more focussed.

1367
00:57:57.480 --> 00:58:00.840
It's not the romance episode where there's a romance, a space

1368
00:58:00.840 --> 00:58:03.179
thing happens and then they're parted forever.

1369
00:58:03.239 --> 00:58:06.780
That turns out not to be that rewarding.

1370
00:58:06.840 --> 00:58:09.840
There's um, there is the odds, what you're right.

1371
00:58:09.900 --> 00:58:13.860
What's that lovely one with Picard and the one in late?

1372
00:58:13.920 --> 00:58:18.300
Yeah, that's useful. and rejoined with Dax and Lenara Calm.

1373
00:58:18.360 --> 00:58:19.320
That's beautiful as well.

1374
00:58:19.380 --> 00:58:21.659
But, you know, more often than not, it's something like

1375
00:58:21.659 --> 00:58:27.480
unforgettable when Chakotay forgets Virginia Mazden, who turns up

1376
00:58:27.480 --> 00:58:31.860
for one week or something like, or Harry Kim's latest doom romance

1377
00:58:31.860 --> 00:58:32.460
or something like that.

1378
00:58:32.579 --> 00:58:35.159
Yeah, or just the terrible ones we've done like Meridian and the

1379
00:58:35.159 --> 00:58:36.840
Price and the host.

1380
00:58:36.900 --> 00:58:39.059
Like the Bryce and the host are interesting because they have

1381
00:58:39.059 --> 00:58:41.699
strong science fiction things, but the romance stuff basically

1382
00:58:41.699 --> 00:58:42.780
fails, I think.

1383
00:58:42.840 --> 00:58:48.599
I can just remember watching a call to arms and then the 6 episode

1384
00:58:48.599 --> 00:58:53.039
Dominion Arc, culminating in Sacrifice of Angels, which was the

1385
00:58:53.039 --> 00:58:55.500
most exciting Star Trek episode I'd ever seen to that point.

1386
00:58:55.559 --> 00:59:00.960
And then this, and I just had nothing but hope for the future of

1387
00:59:00.960 --> 00:59:01.679
DSN.

1388
00:59:01.739 --> 00:59:03.480
I was like, they're at their peak.

1389
00:59:03.539 --> 00:59:05.460
Like, how is this going to get better?

1390
00:59:05.519 --> 00:59:08.219
They're just delivering one banger after another.

1391
00:59:08.280 --> 00:59:12.179
And there are the odd week episode in 6 and seven.

1392
00:59:12.239 --> 00:59:16.260
But I think they're sort of here, you know, they've reached their

1393
00:59:16.260 --> 00:59:18.539
zenith and and it just gets better.

1394
00:59:18.659 --> 00:59:22.019
And given that we've just explored much of Sirius 7 already.

1395
00:59:22.079 --> 00:59:25.440
We've only got shit DS9 to cover.

1396
00:59:31.920 --> 00:59:35.519
All right, it's the end of the episode and it's time for us to

1397
00:59:35.519 --> 00:59:36.780
work out where we're going next.

1398
00:59:36.900 --> 00:59:38.460
This was your choice.

1399
00:59:38.519 --> 00:59:40.440
Of course, and so it's my turn.

1400
00:59:40.500 --> 00:59:43.860
And I am going to choose a different metric this time.

1401
00:59:43.920 --> 00:59:50.280
I'm going to choose the F. that we have done the smallest

1402
00:59:50.280 --> 00:59:52.380
percentage of episodes of.

1403
00:59:52.739 --> 00:59:57.000
If that was out to be your usual metric of just choosing

1404
00:59:57.000 --> 00:59:57.599
enterprise.

1405
00:59:57.599 --> 00:59:58.739
Enterprise, yeah.

1406
00:59:58.800 --> 01:00:02.519
Oh, I might have known.

1407
01:00:02.579 --> 01:00:03.360
Okay.

1408
01:00:03.420 --> 01:00:07.559
All roads laid back, sir, Nathan possibly choosing Enterprise on

1409
01:00:07.559 --> 01:00:08.400
the randomiser.

1410
01:00:08.400 --> 01:00:09.420
Enterprise.

1411
01:00:09.780 --> 01:00:11.280
Why?

1412
01:00:11.400 --> 01:00:13.320
don't know. don't know.

1413
01:00:13.380 --> 01:00:17.639
It's given you no suggestion that you should be intrigued by it.

1414
01:00:17.699 --> 01:00:22.139
It's terrible, but I cannot look away and...

1415
01:00:23.880 --> 01:00:29.760
You're like rubbernecking a really dodgy car accident of some kind

1416
01:00:29.760 --> 01:00:31.199
for 4 years.

1417
01:00:31.260 --> 01:00:32.400
Okay.

1418
01:00:33.780 --> 01:00:35.099
Well, let's see what we get then.

1419
01:00:35.159 --> 01:00:38.880
Well, look, we might be ahead of a few a few series once we've

1420
01:00:38.880 --> 01:00:39.960
done this, so...

1421
01:00:39.960 --> 01:00:42.420
Do you remember the last one we did, that Malcolm Reed episode?

1422
01:00:42.539 --> 01:00:43.320
So boring.

1423
01:00:43.440 --> 01:00:44.460
It was terrible.

1424
01:00:44.519 --> 01:00:45.000
All right.

1425
01:00:45.059 --> 01:00:45.599
Here goes.

1426
01:00:47.099 --> 01:00:49.440
Okay.

1427
01:00:49.440 --> 01:00:53.159
Your random Star Trek episode is singularity.

1428
01:00:53.219 --> 01:00:55.800
Season two, episode nine.

1429
01:00:55.860 --> 01:00:56.820
What's?

1430
01:00:56.880 --> 01:00:58.800
I have no idea.

1431
01:00:58.860 --> 01:01:01.679
Maybe just keep pressing it until it's one that we recognise.

1432
01:01:01.739 --> 01:01:03.599
We'll never get one then.

1433
01:01:03.659 --> 01:01:04.440
I don't really...

1434
01:01:04.500 --> 01:01:05.460
No, I know quite a few.

1435
01:01:05.519 --> 01:01:07.019
No, no, I do know quite a few.

1436
01:01:07.079 --> 01:01:07.619
Okay.

1437
01:01:07.679 --> 01:01:10.079
You might get the Borg one, regeneration.

1438
01:01:10.739 --> 01:01:12.780
That sounds so boring.

1439
01:01:14.159 --> 01:01:18.599
I want one where he's just an absolute asshole.

1440
01:01:18.659 --> 01:01:20.159
I guess that could be any of them, really.

1441
01:01:20.280 --> 01:01:21.599
You won't be disappointed.

1442
01:01:22.559 --> 01:01:27.840
Ah, so jam summary of it is while surveying a black hole, the

1443
01:01:27.840 --> 01:01:31.260
effects of undetected radiation poisoning caused the crew to

1444
01:01:31.260 --> 01:01:32.639
engage in erratic behaviour.

1445
01:01:32.699 --> 01:01:39.119
So it could be like the naked now, but not fun in any way. like

1446
01:01:39.119 --> 01:01:41.699
the beginning of this episode where I have to...

1447
01:01:41.760 --> 01:01:44.579
Troupe or Madness's Star Trek science logs.

1448
01:01:44.639 --> 01:01:46.860
I don't think I'm gonna need to do that in that episode.

1449
01:01:46.980 --> 01:01:48.420
All right.

1450
01:01:48.480 --> 01:01:50.639
Don't make me bring out Andre Balmanners.

1451
01:01:51.659 --> 01:01:54.420
I think he was working on Enterprise.

1452
01:01:54.480 --> 01:01:55.139
What you talking about?

1453
01:01:56.280 --> 01:02:03.900
So this is series four, episode eight, Awakening.

1454
01:02:03.960 --> 01:02:07.019
Oh, I don't have a clue what that is.

1455
01:02:07.139 --> 01:02:10.800
So it's the episode before Kashara.

1456
01:02:10.860 --> 01:02:18.659
So you remember Kashara is, uh, there's a 3 part story, the Forge

1457
01:02:18.659 --> 01:02:24.300
Awakening and Kashara, which is the Vulcan 3 parter, where the

1458
01:02:24.300 --> 01:02:28.619
Vulcans kind of, you know, reembrace their heritage.

1459
01:02:28.679 --> 01:02:30.239
So it's the middle one of those.

1460
01:02:30.300 --> 01:02:33.239
We have talked about it a little bit, but we haven't actually

1461
01:02:33.239 --> 01:02:33.840
watched it.

1462
01:02:33.900 --> 01:02:34.679
Let's see.

1463
01:02:34.980 --> 01:02:37.139
I feel like we covered, we covered the best for that in the last

1464
01:02:37.139 --> 01:02:37.440
one.

1465
01:02:37.500 --> 01:02:38.639
Lots of action in it.

1466
01:02:38.699 --> 01:02:40.380
We can do that later.

1467
01:02:41.460 --> 01:02:43.920
Okay, how about this one?

1468
01:02:43.980 --> 01:02:47.639
It's season two, episode 13, dawn.

1469
01:02:47.699 --> 01:02:48.780
Dawn.

1470
01:02:48.840 --> 01:02:49.619
Yeah.

1471
01:02:49.679 --> 01:02:51.239
It's called Dawn.

1472
01:02:51.360 --> 01:02:52.500
It's called Dawn.

1473
01:02:52.559 --> 01:02:55.079
I don't know if Michelle Trachtenberg is in it, perhaps.

1474
01:02:55.139 --> 01:02:56.760
Very angsty.

1475
01:02:56.820 --> 01:02:58.079
I should imagine that episode.

1476
01:02:58.380 --> 01:03:02.760
Lots of scenes of people screaming, gao, my bedroom, you know?

1477
01:03:03.960 --> 01:03:05.579
Go again.

1478
01:03:05.639 --> 01:03:07.139
That sounds really boring as well.

1479
01:03:07.260 --> 01:03:12.480
Trip and an alien pilot are marooned on a desolate moon where the

1480
01:03:12.480 --> 01:03:15.840
2 adversaries must put aside their differences and overcome a

1481
01:03:15.840 --> 01:03:17.460
language barrier so they can escape.

1482
01:03:17.519 --> 01:03:21.059
It's Dharmok meets the enemy only crap.

1483
01:03:21.119 --> 01:03:22.800
Hang on a second.

1484
01:03:22.860 --> 01:03:23.699
What's that called?

1485
01:03:23.699 --> 01:03:24.659
Dawn.

1486
01:03:24.719 --> 01:03:27.420
Is this the one that Jama gives 0 styles to?

1487
01:03:27.480 --> 01:03:27.960
No.

1488
01:03:28.019 --> 01:03:29.639
Oh, okay.

1489
01:03:29.699 --> 01:03:30.599
I thought it was that episode.

1490
01:03:30.659 --> 01:03:31.920
If it was, I really wanted to do it.

1491
01:03:32.579 --> 01:03:34.679
He gives it one BM.

1492
01:03:34.739 --> 01:03:35.820
It's genuinely terrible.

1493
01:03:35.880 --> 01:03:37.920
That sounds boring as well.

1494
01:03:37.980 --> 01:03:38.460
Keep going.

1495
01:03:38.519 --> 01:03:38.940
Okay, come on.

1496
01:03:38.940 --> 01:03:40.380
We'll get that. will get there.

1497
01:03:40.440 --> 01:03:42.000
Kishara?

1498
01:03:43.440 --> 01:03:44.940
It was fun?

1499
01:03:45.059 --> 01:03:45.599
It was good.

1500
01:03:46.500 --> 01:03:50.820
Shadows of Pajam, which I think we may have rolled before.

1501
01:03:50.880 --> 01:03:52.800
It sounds Klingon to me.

1502
01:03:52.860 --> 01:03:55.079
Season one, episode 15.

1503
01:03:55.619 --> 01:03:57.119
Well, season one.

1504
01:03:57.179 --> 01:03:58.980
We haven't really gone there too much, have we?

1505
01:03:59.039 --> 01:04:04.440
No, so this one is Archer and Poll.

1506
01:04:04.500 --> 01:04:05.280
Oh dear.

1507
01:04:05.340 --> 01:04:09.239
I held hostage by a rebel organisation that wants to overthrow

1508
01:04:09.239 --> 01:04:10.739
their planet's reigning government.

1509
01:04:10.800 --> 01:04:12.539
Oh, one last time.

1510
01:04:12.599 --> 01:04:13.860
Just press it one time.

1511
01:04:13.920 --> 01:04:15.780
That sounds really tedious.

1512
01:04:16.019 --> 01:04:18.539
Whatever this is, we'll do it, yeah?

1513
01:04:18.599 --> 01:04:24.179
All right, it's season one, episode 16, shuttle pod one.

1514
01:04:24.300 --> 01:04:27.900
Oh, no, for another Malcolm Green episode.

1515
01:04:28.139 --> 01:04:31.800
You said, you said we have to do it.

1516
01:04:31.860 --> 01:04:33.179
Do we have to do it?

1517
01:04:33.239 --> 01:04:38.639
It's Malcolm Reed and Tripp stuck in a shuttle pod for a whole

1518
01:04:38.639 --> 01:04:44.579
episode doing such a Butch heterosexual banter for our episode.

1519
01:04:44.639 --> 01:04:46.559
Oh, no, no, no, kiss at the end.

1520
01:04:46.619 --> 01:04:48.119
Of course they don't.

1521
01:04:48.179 --> 01:04:51.599
No, they talk about they talk about a woman with big tits or

1522
01:04:51.599 --> 01:04:51.840
something.

1523
01:04:51.900 --> 01:04:53.699
It's really.

1524
01:04:53.760 --> 01:04:54.780
No, we're not doing that.

1525
01:04:55.139 --> 01:04:56.699
All right.

1526
01:04:56.760 --> 01:04:57.480
It's seasoned.

1527
01:04:58.320 --> 01:05:00.960
Yeah, season three, episode 23, countdown.

1528
01:05:01.019 --> 01:05:03.960
The second last episode of the season, I guess.

1529
01:05:04.019 --> 01:05:06.059
Which episode season three?

1530
01:05:06.119 --> 01:05:09.000
Season three, episode 23?

1531
01:05:09.059 --> 01:05:12.179
Now, this could be potentially exciting because I think this is

1532
01:05:12.179 --> 01:05:15.480
the episode that ends with the cliffhanger of the great spherical

1533
01:05:15.480 --> 01:05:17.280
weapon heading towards Earth.

1534
01:05:17.340 --> 01:05:20.099
I think that you're right.

1535
01:05:20.159 --> 01:05:25.739
So, um, the final 2 episodes of series 3, a countdown and then 0

1536
01:05:25.739 --> 01:05:26.280
hour.

1537
01:05:26.340 --> 01:05:30.719
Now, I'm making a ruling because they've got different titles and

1538
01:05:30.719 --> 01:05:35.400
because this is heavily serialised anyway, we'll just do

1539
01:05:35.400 --> 01:05:36.360
countdown.

1540
01:05:36.420 --> 01:05:38.760
So it's the 2nd last series.

1541
01:05:38.820 --> 01:05:43.739
So the most recent one before that, did we do damage?

1542
01:05:43.800 --> 01:05:44.340
did, didn't we?

1543
01:05:44.400 --> 01:05:48.780
No, we did as Aussie Prime. which ended with that amazing

1544
01:05:48.780 --> 01:05:52.079
Cliffhanger Enterprise being, you know, pummelled to death. and

1545
01:05:52.079 --> 01:05:52.920
then there's damage.

1546
01:05:52.980 --> 01:05:54.840
So it's a few episodes after that.

1547
01:05:54.900 --> 01:05:56.280
But I'd really like to see that.

1548
01:05:56.340 --> 01:05:59.699
That sounds like it's pretty central to the arc of series three

1549
01:05:59.699 --> 01:06:01.860
which is an interesting, if flawed thing.

1550
01:06:01.920 --> 01:06:03.119
Could be fun to talk about.

1551
01:06:03.179 --> 01:06:07.199
I think that last little run of series three.

1552
01:06:07.260 --> 01:06:11.699
In terms of production, maybe in terms of confidence, it might be

1553
01:06:11.699 --> 01:06:13.980
the best that Enterprise ever was.

1554
01:06:14.099 --> 01:06:17.159
I don't remember the penultimate episode, but yeah, no, I'm

1555
01:06:17.159 --> 01:06:17.579
intrigued.

1556
01:06:17.639 --> 01:06:19.559
Let's see how they head into the finale.

1557
01:06:19.619 --> 01:06:20.820
Let's do that then.

1558
01:06:29.940 --> 01:06:33.719
You've been listening to entitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford

1559
01:06:33.719 --> 01:06:34.860
and Nathan Bottomley.

1560
01:06:34.920 --> 01:06:38.639
We're online at untitled Star Trek project.com, where you can find

1561
01:06:38.639 --> 01:06:41.699
subscription links and links to our social media accounts.

1562
01:06:41.760 --> 01:06:45.719
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Ciceran, and the theme was

1563
01:06:45.719 --> 01:06:47.400
composed by Cameron Lamb.

1564
01:06:47.460 --> 01:06:52.139
This episode was recorded on the 8th of April 2025 and released on

1565
01:06:52.139 --> 01:06:53.219
the 11th of April.

1566
01:06:53.280 --> 01:06:57.239
We'll see you next time for Star Trek Enterprise Countdown.

1567
01:07:13.860 --> 01:07:17.579
Sorry, anything will be better than the Malcolm Reed one.

1568
01:07:17.639 --> 01:07:18.719
Oh, yeah, okay.

1569
01:07:18.780 --> 01:07:19.559
Yeah, no, no.

1570
01:07:19.679 --> 01:07:26.820
I'm kind of imagining like marooned, you know, in Red Dwarf, only

1571
01:07:26.820 --> 01:07:29.579
not funny or entertaining in any way.

1572
01:07:29.639 --> 01:07:30.420
Yeah.

1573
01:07:30.480 --> 01:07:31.380
Is that one?

1574
01:07:31.440 --> 01:07:35.159
There's another one where they're stuck on a planet, like a shore

1575
01:07:35.159 --> 01:07:38.699
leaf planet, the 2 of them, and they wound up getting into, you

1576
01:07:38.699 --> 01:07:43.199
know, japes, uh, the pair of them, like with sexy women, and, oh

1577
01:07:43.199 --> 01:07:45.539
it's just, do they get robbed by the sexy women?

1578
01:07:45.599 --> 01:07:46.380
Like, I'd watch that.

1579
01:07:46.559 --> 01:07:48.059
I don't think so.

1580
01:07:48.059 --> 01:07:51.059
They get impregnated by the sexy woman they have done already.

1581
01:07:51.119 --> 01:07:53.219
I think they just fuck them, you know?

1582
01:07:53.280 --> 01:07:54.539
Thank God.

1583
01:07:57.179 --> 01:07:59.519
Okay, that does sound fun.

1584
01:08:00.059 --> 01:08:03.539
Then I'll do what I said I was going to do weeks and weeks ago and

1585
01:08:03.539 --> 01:08:06.179
that is take us back to TOS because I think it's been a little

1586
01:08:06.179 --> 01:08:07.199
bit.

1587
01:08:07.260 --> 01:08:08.219
Yeah.

1588
01:08:08.280 --> 01:08:10.679
In fact, I think we wonder if it was the last TOS?

1589
01:08:10.739 --> 01:08:12.420
When was the last TOS one we did?

1590
01:08:15.480 --> 01:08:16.439
Wait a sec?

1591
01:08:16.500 --> 01:08:17.460
I'll bring up this...

1592
01:08:17.460 --> 01:08:18.420
I can't even remember.

1593
01:08:19.020 --> 01:08:20.699
Been a while.

1594
01:08:20.760 --> 01:08:21.659
Oh gosh.

1595
01:08:22.020 --> 01:08:24.119
So...

1596
01:08:24.119 --> 01:08:25.560
Neutral Zone.

1597
01:08:26.760 --> 01:08:29.579
Sweet Sorrow, the game, how do you deck 12?

1598
01:08:29.640 --> 01:08:33.600
We don't even have a TOS episode on the front page of the site.

1599
01:08:33.659 --> 01:08:37.619
So we haven't done it for 10 episodes, and the one before that was

1600
01:08:37.619 --> 01:08:38.699
the way to Eden.

1601
01:08:38.760 --> 01:08:40.920
That was the most recent one that we've done.

1602
01:08:40.979 --> 01:08:43.859
Which is terrible, but super interesting to talk about.

1603
01:08:43.920 --> 01:08:44.939
There was so much to say.

1604
01:08:45.000 --> 01:08:46.380
Yeah.

1605
01:08:46.439 --> 01:08:47.039
Yeah.

1606
01:08:47.100 --> 01:08:49.079
Yeah, I think that would be great.

1607
01:08:49.140 --> 01:08:50.340
I should have chosen that actually.

1608
01:08:50.399 --> 01:08:53.039
But I would love Enterprise.

1609
01:08:53.159 --> 01:08:54.720
You do.

1610
01:08:54.840 --> 01:08:56.039
I don't know why.

1611
01:08:57.600 --> 01:09:03.600
I had you this, you know, this wonderful fun wedding episode. such

1612
01:09:03.600 --> 01:09:04.199
sweet sorrow.

1613
01:09:04.260 --> 01:09:07.500
That was like a big, exciting, two-part thing, which only had some

1614
01:09:07.500 --> 01:09:09.119
crying in it, like it was okay.

1615
01:09:09.239 --> 01:09:11.159
That was pretty enjoyable.

1616
01:09:12.060 --> 01:09:14.460
Lots of exciting things happening.

1617
01:09:14.520 --> 01:09:17.460
We did spend most of the 2nd episode going, look at that.

1618
01:09:18.600 --> 01:09:21.239
Yeah, because it looked fucking amazing.

1619
01:09:21.479 --> 01:09:25.979
If people watch genuinely watch it alongside the episode, they'll

1620
01:09:25.979 --> 01:09:26.640
have a great time.

1621
01:09:26.699 --> 01:09:28.380
Otherwise, they're like, what are they talking about?

1622
01:09:30.359 --> 01:09:32.039
Oh, I'm so sorry.

1623
01:09:32.039 --> 01:09:35.159
I read out that bit about Verderon particles at the start.

1624
01:09:35.220 --> 01:09:37.979
Well, I just thought, you know, let's be kind to people.

1625
01:09:38.039 --> 01:09:39.000
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1626
01:09:39.060 --> 01:09:40.920
No, there's probably some Verderon fans.

1627
01:09:40.979 --> 01:09:43.020
What was the other particle in there that got mentioned?

1628
01:09:43.079 --> 01:09:48.479
Oh, uh, hang on, Verderons, and I mean, this book is so long.

1629
01:09:48.840 --> 01:09:51.300
Oh, Christ, look at that.

1630
01:09:51.359 --> 01:09:53.699
Look at that alien. they put a picture in off.

1631
01:09:53.819 --> 01:09:55.500
Oh no.

1632
01:09:55.560 --> 01:09:56.699
What is that?

1633
01:09:56.760 --> 01:09:58.619
It's from Voyager.

1634
01:09:58.739 --> 01:10:01.020
Of course it is.

1635
01:10:01.079 --> 01:10:01.680
Of course it is.

1636
01:10:01.739 --> 01:10:03.960
It's like a 9.9 style.

1637
01:10:04.020 --> 01:10:05.220
Bimorius. isn't it?

1638
01:10:05.279 --> 01:10:06.420
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1639
01:10:06.539 --> 01:10:09.359
The Mutara nebula, there's a whole section there.

1640
01:10:09.420 --> 01:10:09.960
Oh, okay.

1641
01:10:09.960 --> 01:10:10.739
Well, that's important.

1642
01:10:10.800 --> 01:10:13.319
Maybe every time, every time, you know, we do an episode that's

1643
01:10:13.319 --> 01:10:13.800
actually fun.

1644
01:10:13.800 --> 01:10:15.720
I'll pull out Andrew Bahman.

1645
01:10:15.720 --> 01:10:17.220
Yeah, spoil it for everyone.

1646
01:10:17.279 --> 01:10:19.199
So...

1647
01:10:19.199 --> 01:10:21.840
Oh, Verdron and Gravitron.

1648
01:10:21.840 --> 01:10:22.500
Gravitron.

1649
01:10:22.500 --> 01:10:23.159
Gravitron.

1650
01:10:23.159 --> 01:10:23.819
Gravitron.

1651
01:10:23.880 --> 01:10:24.720
Gravitol.

1652
01:10:24.779 --> 01:10:25.020
Sorry.

1653
01:10:25.079 --> 01:10:26.159
I think about the moon base skin.

1654
01:10:26.220 --> 01:10:27.180
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1655
01:10:27.239 --> 01:10:28.680
Well, it's never far from my thoughts.

1656
01:10:28.739 --> 01:10:34.560
So I'm glad the one note that I have, I have 3 notes for this

1657
01:10:34.560 --> 01:10:35.279
episode, right?

1658
01:10:35.340 --> 01:10:37.380
is Dax was born in 2018.

1659
01:10:37.739 --> 01:10:39.720
Because I was thinking about that.

1660
01:10:39.840 --> 01:10:40.680
You got that in?

1661
01:10:40.680 --> 01:10:44.460
Terry thinks she walks like a truck driver to the altar because

1662
01:10:44.460 --> 01:10:46.800
she...

1663
01:10:46.800 --> 01:10:47.640
You got that in?

1664
01:10:48.960 --> 01:10:53.340
There's no way Agentsia didn't have sex with Mourn and Manuela

1665
01:10:53.340 --> 01:10:54.600
after the party broke up.

1666
01:10:54.720 --> 01:10:56.460
Definitely got that one in.

1667
01:10:56.520 --> 01:10:59.880
Although, I've ruined it somewhat by talking about more than

1668
01:10:59.880 --> 01:11:00.600
enormous cock.

1669
01:11:00.659 --> 01:11:03.779
No, no, that's all right. it needed to be brought up.

1670
01:11:04.079 --> 01:11:05.699
Do you know what?

1671
01:11:06.119 --> 01:11:07.079
She thinks he's cute.

1672
01:11:07.140 --> 01:11:10.140
Remember, she talks about the little wiry hairs on his chin or

1673
01:11:10.140 --> 01:11:10.500
whatever?

1674
01:11:10.560 --> 01:11:14.279
Like she's very open-minded.