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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So, we're back aboard Deep Space 9 again.

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We've been away from it for 6 episodes, or some of us have. and yep, now we're all back together after the 1st 6 episodes of series six.

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This is series six, episode seven, you are cordially invited.

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So we've just had sacrifice of angels, is that right?

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Literally before this, yes.

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The biggest space battle we've ever seen in Star Trek.

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And so what did I do next?

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What they do next, Nathan?

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Yeah.

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A sitcom episode.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And I have to say that I thought this was really great.

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Like, I don't think it's quite as funny as some of the ones that we've seen before from Ron Moore, but I do think it was really, really good.

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And I'm sort of picturing, like, I've seen that 6 part story, but, you know, it's been a while, but I just imagine it's a great relief to have an episode that is all about our core crew back on board the station for the 1st time in the entire season.

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And everyone gets something to do.

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Everyone really gets some fun moments and it's absolutely hang time with the crew.

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I thought this was a really witty script.

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Oh, yeah, yeah.

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I think Ron Moore can not many writers of 90s Star Trek can achieve this, but he can actually genuinely write comedy.

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Like he can write great drama as well, but he can write the sort of fast paced wit that we get now in Star Trek, a lot of back and forth, but he's got the benefit as well of just 6 years worth of brilliant characters forming.

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Um, and you bring them all together with really, really funny jokes.

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Oh, it's just gold.

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I mean, I was going to start this episode by saying to you, Nathan, you will come with me now and perform the brain on ritual to my satisfaction or I will cancel this podcast just because I wanted to quote Sorella at the start of the episode.

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So it's absolutely a like a classic sitcom plot, isn't it?

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Because Sorella isn't quite the mother-in-law or anything like that.

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But at this point in the show, she's terrifying.

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She's really good.

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She's really great.

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And so it's kind of like we need to impress the mother-in-law in order for the wedding to go ahead.

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And it's an absolute sitcom premise.

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In fact, strange new worlds will do it in series two, uh, with Spock having to impress Tupring's parents in exactly the same kind of sitcom setup.

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Are they just frightening us, Serella?

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They are, and of course, some space thing has happened to Spock.

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And so he's human and he has to pretend to be Falcon.

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It's, it's, the sort of the annual kind of strange issue worlds, um, spock sex comedy episode.

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It's really, really good.

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But it is just sort of this classic sitcom premise to the point where I thought that we would resolve the problem where Dax punches Sirella in the face by having Sirella say, well, that just really shows how much you love wharf, and I'm touched by that, and so I've decided to, you know, it's that, you know, the sitcom thing where you go to all of this trouble to kind of fool the mother-in-law about something, like to pretend that something's true and it isn't.

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And then you get found out.

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And then she says, I can't believe you went to all of this trouble for me.

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You know, I love you and you're fantastic.

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And also bits of it.

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But it's absolutely that sort of that entire sitcom plot.

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It works really well.

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There's lots of really fun stuff with like Julian and Miles.

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Oh boy.

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Of course, a Klingon Stack party is the most miserable experience you could go through.

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Blood, death, and pain and famine or whatever it is.

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Oh count me out.

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It's really great, isn't it?

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Because when when we 1st mentioned it had been a while since I saw this and I thought there are painsticks involved in this, they're definitely painsticks.

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But of course, you know, like it was possible that it would be a huge drunken party because we've seen Klingons participate in that before.

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In DS9, last year.

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Yeah, in Apocalypse Rising.

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And certainly that's what Jake and Quark think it is, you know, they think it's going to be that and hugely exciting and then it ends up being a sort of austere and horrific religious ceremony where they're kind of, you know, letting blood and virtually setting themselves on fire and stuff like that.

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And all of that's really funny It's glorious.

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But, like, you and me, we've talked about the soap opera element of D Space 9 quite a bit, you know, there was me back in the day thinking this was hugely, you know, exciting, hard science fiction.

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And then I'll start talking to you and I suddenly realise it's just like neighbours in space and I love neighbours and I love space.

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So this is great.

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And of course, they do all the cliches.

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The wedding is called off. you know, the night before and all of our friends have to rally around to try and get them to talk to each other or stop themselves from eating an entire banquet. will get there.

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I love that scene But one thing I think that really stops this from just being a sitcom stroke soap episode is, I have heard the criticism that, well, why on earth are Dax and Worf in a relationship together?

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They're total opposites, you know, and they go through bumpy episodes of like, let here is without sin.

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Why on earth are they together?

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And by the end of this episode, they absolutely address that they are completely different people.

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And yet they are head over heels in love with each other.

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For that very reason.

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It's just glorious.

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And you get a one, 2 punch at the end of this episode, a scene between war for Martok, and a scene between Cisco and Dax, where the comedy drops away, and the performances are gentle and subtle and beautiful.

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I was really moved by the end of this episode.

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And then, of course, you get the wedding, which is fabulous.

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Really really great.

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I think that maybe the scene between Wharf and Martoc is my favourite scene of the episode.

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And I think Michael is magnificent in it, like just really properly good.

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And sort of sells the subtext, the more he describes how different they are from one another, the more his face lights up because that's what he loves about her.

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JG Herzler is no slouch in that scene either, though.

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Well, that's brilliant too. when we'll talk about it when we get there because I think it's a really, really well done scene.

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You know, the rest of the episode is kind of building up to it in the same way that the episode's building up to the Dax Cisco scene.

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Yeah, like I think that that all of that is really really dry.

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Just when you think it can't get any better.

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There is a hot naked man juggling fire in Dax's quarters in a party scene that has some fucking energy in it in 90s.

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It still does look a bit like a party on a 90 strike set.

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That is so much better than your usual.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Let's sit around and drink synth hole and talk about politics and, oh, what a lovely nebula over there, you know.

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People like their dogs.

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They're getting drunk.

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I mean, Dax is hung over in the morning.

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It's all the cliches that you want in a wedding episode.

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Can I regale you with a quote from Terry Farrell before we go in?

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Please, because clearly this is the most fun that she has ever had doing any Star Trek episode.

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You know, she's relaxed into the role.

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They're given a terrific material at this and now she's got the wedding episode.

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It's all about her and she does get the most to do, I would say, in this episode.

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Well, here's what she has to say about getting married to Michael Dawn.

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I felt like a queen for a day in that dress.

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I have to tell you I never thought that I'd feel so great in red leather, even though it was 104 degrees on that set.

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I'm 34 years old.

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I've never been married and I sometimes wonder if I ever will be.

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So it was so cool to wear that dress and pretend with a good friend like Michael, who's also not married, that I was getting married.

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It was like it was like being a little girl again and playing Barbie.

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Michael was my Klingon Ken and I was his leather clad Barbie.

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Horrible.

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I just don't believe the people who say, where's the chemistry between the 2 of them?

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You know what I mean?

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Like they're 2 of the most sexy and charismatic actors on the show and you're kind of going, why aren't they showing me the chemistry here?

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It's baffling.

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Like, I just don't understand that at all.

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And I think that there's a, there is a lack of sympathy with things like romances and weddings and stuff like that because they're not seen as proper science fiction.

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Wars and battles and spaceships and crashes and all of that sort of thing.

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Those are the proper thing that Star Trek should be doing, and a wedding, focussing an episode on something as domestic as that is a problem and, you know, like it's a waste of time and we need to justify it.

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But I thought it was just terrific and for the very reasons that it's focussed on a wedding and the wedding of 2 really, just wonderful, lovely, and sexy characters.

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It's almost as if you know what's coming next.

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You don't, but on that note, so just in case you feel as if you are missing out on everything that makes Star Trek, Star Trek, before Nathan and I have fun for 45 minutes.

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I thought I'd read you out a small passage from Andre Bormanis's Star Trek science logs, just so you feel like you get something, but it's a normal Star Trek. and very boring.

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Verteron and graviton particles.

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Excellent.

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The stability of the wormhole connecting the alpha and gamma quadrants appear to be a coincidence of a unique scaffolding composed of verteron particles.

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Verterons are amongst the most extraordinary particles ever discovered in nuclear physics.

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Most strikingly, they possess negative mass, which accounts for their ability to maintain the extreme spatial curvature necessary to sustain a wormhole.

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Sorry, I'm nearly there.

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You know, terrified right now.

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I'm loving it, though.

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The Verterons are bound together in an elaborate geometric matrix that provides a traversable spatial conduit, some 500 metres in diameter.

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Now that's the normal bullshit that you get on Star Trek.

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Thank God, we aren't doing none of that shit.

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Let's go.

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Brilliant.

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I just didn't want the geeks to feel left out, you know?

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I know, and I love a good thing about Verdon particles, I have to say, I'm a big fan.

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Special matrixes.

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Well, I didn't know the negative mass thing. tuck that one away.

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Is it hot in here?

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It will be by the time that naked man arrives with the fire.

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All right, I think we should go in.

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So I will count us in. 5, 4, 3, 2, one and we're off.

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The war is over.

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Look at all the stuff that's happening around the station as well, like all of these ships.

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Think about the old days of season one when we couldn't afford all of that.

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And they've got it, again, look, look at all these extras.

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Everyone's so happy in the dominion of God.

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Morn's heading to the bar.

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It's a great shot, isn't it?

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Like just taking us through the promenade.

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It's pretty great.

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And this fabulous crane shot of Cisco as well.

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I mean, our tend to like crane shots to end on someone as beautiful as Avery Brooks.

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Yeah, but that's a great one too, because he's delivering the, you know, the captain's log, but then we see him just there.

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So it is just, you know, like a voiceover.

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But this is so nice, just reestablishing, you know, the status quo ante.

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There's still a war, but now we're back together working together.

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And look how warm she is.

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She gets some really great moments here.

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It's a really kind of minor plot that she and Odo have.

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And Ira Stephen Bear doesn't much like what they did.

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I think it's perfect. agree with you.

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What would the alternative be?

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Like, we don't need an episode of the 2 of them getting therapy. sorting out their differences.

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Go in that closet and by the time you come out, it's dumb.

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Yeah, yeah. really good.

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It's really good.

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Look at her smiling at him.

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She's so beautiful.

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Like, and so she sort of looks after him and smiles, she's still smiling when he leaves.

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Oh, she's so great.

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She's so good.

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Oh, Mortok's such a ham.

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You know about this, didn't you?

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Nothing to stop it.

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Oh, it's the, um, uh, like he's got promoted and now he's stationed on Deep Space 9, isn't he, from now on?

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right.

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We guess to hang out with Wolf.

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What he whinging about?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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He gets to be a semi-regular character who's just on the on the station.

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That's awesome.

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Oh, Cisco's just smiling his way through these things as well.

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Oh, everyone's happy.

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I mean, to be fair, it's been a tense time the last couple of episodes.

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It's quite nice to see everyone so chill.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Well, I think this is that's exactly what we want, I think, at this point.

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Like, it's a big risk, I think, upsetting.

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Like, you know, deep space 9 is kind of the redheaded stepchild and no one much cares what it does and so it is allowed to break format for 6 episodes, but that's a big deal in Star Trek, isn't it?

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But I think it's there. it's wise as well.

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After doing that, after breaking the format and then sort of putting the toys back in the box after what, 7 episodes?

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to then follow that up with a big hitter, like a wedding.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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After this is resurrection, that dismal alternative universe episode where Mirror Barrile comes along.

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Now, if this was Voyager, and we were upset in the status quo, that would be the episode after that, you know?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Oh, here's the Alexander who can act just about.

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So, so we had Brian Bonsall, back on Star Trek, the Next Generation, but not immediately.

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And he is like a soap opera child, someone who has grown up incredibly quickly. 15 years or something, isn't it, since we last saw him?

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No, no.

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So he's born sometime between season 2 and three of Star Trek the Next Generation.

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Isn't he sometime between Amistry and um...

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Oh, so he's about 10 now, is he?

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Yeah, if you're lucky, maybe eight.

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So maybe Klingons very quickly and so do Naomi Wildman's and it's just a thing that happens on Star Trek.

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So I didn't know that he was in 2 episodes and I didn't know that we liked him.

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I thought it had been like when they meet in sons and daughters.

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It's a little bit kind of rough or something, but I can't remember it.

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Sons of Daughters, no, it is.

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What's it called?

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Yeah, it is, it is.

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Cork went, handsome young man.

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You must get it from his mother.

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He hates warf, doesn't he?

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I'll tell you what.

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There's a couple of moments in this as well.

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Even like during the wedding, he looks so disinterested, Corp, doesn't he?

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great.

214
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They never forget a grudge.

215
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Yeah.

216
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But I do like this.

217
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Bring in the wedding forward and doing it just so Alexander could be there.

218
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Now, did you know that 2 of the TNG actors were actually potentially going to be in this?

219
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LeVar and Jonathan Fraggs.

220
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But basically, and it's such a shame.

221
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I think they should have, if they were available, put them in.

222
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But Ira went, no, it's all or nothing.

223
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Yeah, they're all in it or nobody is.

224
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I kind of agree.

225
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I think it overshadows the episode and that's not what we want.

226
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Like we, you know, we had 7 years with them and there are films and stuff like that.

227
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This is time for the Deep Space 9 crew and they sell it because, of course, it's a wedding that they're just suddenly doing because of Alexander, so they bring it forward. that means that we don't have to have all of these people.

228
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Oh, yeah.

229
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I find Alexander irritating as a klutz only because I see so much of myself and him.

230
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This is literally, I am like, on a daily basis, knocking things over like this.

231
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Oh, so that's it.

232
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We set up our premise.

233
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The wedding's being brought forward.

234
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Nathan Bottomley's rule number one of the pre-title sequence in Star Trek.

235
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I go.

236
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Yeah, yeah.

237
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I mean, that one's not, because it doesn't sort of set up a theme or anything like that.

238
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It is just a weird doing the wedding and then we have him fall over and then we go into the thing.

239
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So it's a little bit kind of linear.

240
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It's not quite as clever.

241
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What, I mean, the, I guess the thing this is about, just apart from reestablishing the status quo.

242
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And I guess this is a stand in for a celebration of them returning.

243
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Do you know what I mean?

244
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Like, we didn't, there wasn't a party when they came back as far as I know.

245
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And so this is kind of that.

246
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Yeah, but it's the, it's the, what I thought was the most interesting thing about it was having Martok and Sorella as the, as the other married couple in the show.

247
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And like, we're about to see...

248
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They stolen characters from Shakespeare, weren't they?

249
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I thought I was reading in...

250
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Yeah, so they said that they were playing it like Beatrice and Benedict from Much Ado about Nothing, but not really.

251
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Like, no.

252
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But, but, uh, what I really like about it is that, because we're about to see her and I think she's magnificent.

253
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I think she's really, really great.

254
00:18:17.519 --> 00:18:24.119
So this is Shannon Cochran, who has been in 2 episodes before playing the same character.

255
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Did you know this?

256
00:18:25.380 --> 00:18:26.339
No.

257
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So she plays a character called Kalita, and she's in preemptive strike, the 2nd last episode of Star Trek, the Next Generation, with Row, and she's a McKee character.

258
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And then she comes aboard, like she's in the episode with Thomas Wright, Riker.

259
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Oh, in defiant.

260
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Defiant.

261
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

262
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Yeah.

263
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Oh, she's so different.

264
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I know you mean now.

265
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Wow.

266
00:18:49.440 --> 00:18:51.539
And she's a Romulan in Star Trek Nemesis as well.

267
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When people slap on that Klingon makeup, they just become incredibly Shakespearean, don't they?

268
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Yeah.

269
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But she's magnificent.

270
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Like the, I think, I think I was thinking the word magnificent when Martoc actually said it to kind of describe her.

271
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And you know, just the fact that he's in awe of her.

272
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Like she comes in and just declaims this speech and she's fantastic.

273
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There are not enough scenes in Star Trek of 2 women in the lift, gossiping, all right?

274
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Love it.

275
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It still doesn't pass the Bechdell test because they're talking about a man, but...

276
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But it is a wedding episode, so I think we can probably forget it.

277
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And I do love the fact, I love the fact that it's war, that it's obsessed with the wedding and the details.

278
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Yeah, yeah, not her.

279
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I don't want it before.

280
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But also, just her talking about what he's like, you know, and being so insightful about him and telling us stuff that she sees in him that we don't necessarily sees the audience.

281
00:19:53.460 --> 00:19:56.339
Okay, so this is introducing the Odo Kira part.

282
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Is it my imagination or did Dodo just avoid us?

283
00:19:58.980 --> 00:20:00.059
It's just great.

284
00:20:01.200 --> 00:20:04.740
It is like they've been doing sitcom the whole time.

285
00:20:04.799 --> 00:20:06.599
Honestly, they're so great in it.

286
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Yeah.

287
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Yeah.

288
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And I like this too, that we don't go over, like you don't need to know exactly what it is in those 6 episodes that tore them apart.

289
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And I think I have a memory of how it happened, but not a very strong one.

290
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And you don't need it.

291
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Do you know what I mean?

292
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You just need to know that they, and she says, I don't want to talk about it now. and so we don't.

293
00:20:29.759 --> 00:20:33.240
And so the episode isn't about that in any way, but it resolves it.

294
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And it resolves it, I think, in a way completely satisfying.

295
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It's why as well, in his way, which we've already done. where Dax comes along when they snog on the promenade and she's sort of giving them that look.

296
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It's because she's watched this journey all the way back from where it was revealed in children of time through this right away to there.

297
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It's really lovely.

298
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Oh, here we go.

299
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I describe it as a time of unbridled pleasures.

300
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I guess because he's a Klingon.

301
00:21:00.720 --> 00:21:01.740
Yeah, that's right.

302
00:21:02.160 --> 00:21:05.279
I dread to think what they get up to in bed, you know.

303
00:21:05.460 --> 00:21:09.720
If it's pain and, you know, all that stuff.

304
00:21:09.779 --> 00:21:15.599
Yeah, the grief, men recite poetry and the women throw furniture, I think, is the...

305
00:21:15.660 --> 00:21:20.940
OBrien and Bashir thinking they're going to have a time of unbridled fun and debauchery, don't they?

306
00:21:21.000 --> 00:21:22.259
Well, it's the two.

307
00:21:22.319 --> 00:21:24.000
It's the 2 people from the British Isles.

308
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Like, it's the Englishman and the Irishman, and they just think they're going to get muntered, you know, like, because it's a thing.

309
00:21:31.319 --> 00:21:34.740
Oh, they play the comedy so well, though.

310
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The bit where they're hanging above the spit.

311
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Oh, it's wonderful.

312
00:21:38.339 --> 00:21:46.440
But that seems hugely important setup, but what I think is just about the best final moment of a Star Trek episode ever.

313
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Look how beautiful she is.

314
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She shot from below.

315
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Like we're looking up at her because she's just so magnificent.

316
00:21:53.160 --> 00:21:55.259
I think this is just David Livingston, isn't it?

317
00:21:55.319 --> 00:21:56.339
Is it David Livingstone?

318
00:21:56.400 --> 00:22:01.319
He loves he loves a low angle shot on a woman. all over it in crossover.

319
00:22:01.380 --> 00:22:05.460
But Martok is looking up at her and look at his reaction.

320
00:22:05.519 --> 00:22:08.880
Look at his reaction and she's going, yeah, you got old.

321
00:22:08.940 --> 00:22:13.559
Um, you know, like she's being critical and stuff and kind of horrible.

322
00:22:13.619 --> 00:22:20.640
It's not, I guess that's what the Beatrice and Benedict thing is because they really love each other, but they're kind of constantly critical of one another.

323
00:22:20.700 --> 00:22:21.839
But it's not quite that.

324
00:22:21.900 --> 00:22:23.220
It's not quite as playful as that.

325
00:22:23.279 --> 00:22:26.700
But Martoc lights up. you know what I mean?

326
00:22:26.759 --> 00:22:29.460
Like, and really, really is really into it.

327
00:22:29.579 --> 00:22:33.720
And that's the same thing that we see with Worf and Dax.

328
00:22:33.779 --> 00:22:43.619
We've already seen Dax say that she knows more about Worf as a person than we do and that she sees things in him that we never get to see.

329
00:22:43.680 --> 00:22:47.460
And then when she leaves, magnificent, isn't she?

330
00:22:47.519 --> 00:22:49.920
Yes, isn't she?

331
00:22:50.279 --> 00:22:51.960
He's great.

332
00:22:51.960 --> 00:22:54.960
And as well, though...

333
00:22:55.019 --> 00:22:57.599
I was almost like, oh, she's so horrible.

334
00:22:57.660 --> 00:22:58.559
Why does she like him?

335
00:22:58.680 --> 00:23:01.200
And then in that scene at the end, when he talks about it.

336
00:23:01.259 --> 00:23:02.819
He just sells it.

337
00:23:03.180 --> 00:23:07.559
And yet I do love her. deeply is what he says.

338
00:23:07.619 --> 00:23:12.180
Could I just very quickly read out something else from memory alpha because I think it's worth discussing.

339
00:23:12.240 --> 00:23:22.079
So it says here, Ronald D. Moore saw this as an episode which would allow him to correct an inaccurate impression of Klingon society, which he had himself created.

340
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After Star Trek, the next generation, more felt that he had shoved Klingon women into the background, promoting the view that they were unimportant to the proper functioning society.

341
00:23:30.900 --> 00:23:37.559
This dates back to the TNG 4 season episode redemption, to which it's revealed that women cannot sit on the Klingon High Council.

342
00:23:37.619 --> 00:23:39.599
In subsequent Klingon episodes.

343
00:23:39.660 --> 00:23:46.140
Women had virtually no role, and the whole society ended up appearing to be completely male dominated, just like the Ferengi Society.

344
00:23:46.200 --> 00:23:49.799
This was something that Moore was keen to rectify in this episode.

345
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And as such, he determined that if men rule the council, then women rule the houses, and that the mistress of a great house wields unchallenged power, in terms of the functioning of that house, thus restoring a degree of balance, to cling on gender roles, I think that is such a great, great thing for him to do.

346
00:24:08.460 --> 00:24:13.200
Yeah, I mean, it's still without kind of, you know, rectifying it completely.

347
00:24:13.259 --> 00:24:18.000
I mean, they have a domestic sphere that they're in charge of and the men are in charge of the political sphere.

348
00:24:18.059 --> 00:24:26.880
And I think, you know, eventually we just kind of are going to just generally forget that and we'll just have more male and female Klingons in the same kind of roles.

349
00:24:26.940 --> 00:24:38.460
But showing her as a woman that is really strong and really powerful and that her husband is deferential too, you know, and she's the focus of the episode, we have to please her.

350
00:24:38.519 --> 00:24:40.140
And look at her.

351
00:24:40.259 --> 00:24:42.720
She's so, she is magnificent.

352
00:24:42.779 --> 00:25:03.720
And that moment where she just says, you know, the candles, like, next time try, if you're not going to use the proper candles, just try not to use such obvious fakes, but, you know, and, and, like, she was mocking Worf beforehand for not thinking for not realising they had to be fakes, you know?

353
00:25:03.779 --> 00:25:08.400
There is a line here, Nathan, that kills me every time I hear it.

354
00:25:08.460 --> 00:25:10.140
He goes, I'll go and talk to Cyrilla.

355
00:25:10.200 --> 00:25:11.579
No, I wouldn't do that if I was you.

356
00:25:11.640 --> 00:25:12.599
Why not?

357
00:25:12.660 --> 00:25:14.640
She doesn't like you.

358
00:25:14.700 --> 00:25:16.079
She doesn't like you much either.

359
00:25:18.960 --> 00:25:21.960
No, I likes you wolf, really, sorry.

360
00:25:23.279 --> 00:25:25.859
Oh, J.G. Hertzler.

361
00:25:25.920 --> 00:25:27.000
He can carry a funny line.

362
00:25:27.059 --> 00:25:27.960
He's wonderful.

363
00:25:28.019 --> 00:25:35.220
And, you know, like part of the thing is too, that he has to put up with that because she's magnificent, because we don't choose who we fall in love with.

364
00:25:35.279 --> 00:25:41.279
He just has to tolerate how obnoxious she is because he's in awe of her.

365
00:25:41.339 --> 00:25:42.480
You know, he loves her.

366
00:25:42.539 --> 00:25:43.140
It's wonderful.

367
00:25:43.200 --> 00:25:48.420
I love the whole line at the end about, you know, we tow our prowess in battle.

368
00:25:48.480 --> 00:25:52.619
You know, we're amazing warriors and we love to go off and kill people.

369
00:25:52.680 --> 00:25:54.299
But what the fuck does that mean?

370
00:25:54.299 --> 00:25:56.039
When there's no one to come back.

371
00:25:56.099 --> 00:26:02.279
And ultimately, Sorella will determine whether you're going to be with the woman you love or not. right?

372
00:26:02.339 --> 00:26:03.599
You need to impress her.

373
00:26:03.960 --> 00:26:06.660
Yeah, wonderful.

374
00:26:07.500 --> 00:26:09.539
Like, it is funny.

375
00:26:09.599 --> 00:26:10.319
It is funny.

376
00:26:10.440 --> 00:26:11.160
It is silly.

377
00:26:11.220 --> 00:26:12.059
It is sitcom.

378
00:26:12.119 --> 00:26:14.579
I think there are some depths to it though.

379
00:26:14.640 --> 00:26:15.839
Not a lot but there's enough.

380
00:26:15.900 --> 00:26:26.279
What I like is that it does show us more of the Klingon culture without it being just the usual boring shit about how the, you know, the politics are corrupt and all of that sort of thing.

381
00:26:26.339 --> 00:26:29.220
They say that you have no sense of view.

382
00:26:29.279 --> 00:26:31.140
I say, you have no sense of humour.

383
00:26:32.460 --> 00:26:39.900
One thing that really stood out to me, because I started thinking about the episodes that we've covered for series 6 of DS9.

384
00:26:40.079 --> 00:26:42.420
We've done rocks and shoals, we've done this.

385
00:26:42.480 --> 00:26:46.980
We've done his way, and we've done far beyond the stars.

386
00:26:47.039 --> 00:26:49.440
There's a confidence to this year.

387
00:26:50.160 --> 00:26:53.339
They're really on fire at this point.

388
00:26:53.339 --> 00:27:00.240
And we haven't done some of the lesser ones, but I think you'll be surprised just how good some of the, even the sort of, you know, maybe not resurrection.

389
00:27:00.299 --> 00:27:00.839
That's terrible.

390
00:27:01.680 --> 00:27:04.500
There's got to be a few duds, though, right?

391
00:27:06.359 --> 00:27:12.059
I love how Alexander's the foul Klingon, because we did have that, didn't we?

392
00:27:12.119 --> 00:27:16.559
There's a terrible season 7 episode of Star Trek, the Next Generation.

393
00:27:16.619 --> 00:27:17.460
Isn't there?

394
00:27:17.519 --> 00:27:20.039
James Sloyan plays Older Alexander.

395
00:27:20.160 --> 00:27:22.319
Older Alexander, that's right. is in it all the time.

396
00:27:22.380 --> 00:27:25.680
So we're setting up the final gag, right?

397
00:27:25.740 --> 00:27:28.259
So, we are mustuckers.

398
00:27:28.319 --> 00:27:28.859
Yeah.

399
00:27:28.920 --> 00:27:35.279
And the great thing about it is I think I had forgotten this time through how this ends, right?

400
00:27:35.339 --> 00:27:48.779
And at the very end of the episode, um, we will see O'Brien and, um, Julian, um, going, is it time?

401
00:27:48.839 --> 00:27:49.740
Can we do it now?

402
00:27:49.799 --> 00:27:51.779
And I had just thought it was eat.

403
00:27:51.839 --> 00:27:54.720
Like I had thought because they'd starved for 4 nights.

404
00:27:54.779 --> 00:27:59.160
They had all that food brought to them. and they want to hurt him.

405
00:27:59.220 --> 00:28:03.539
No, because this is 16 minutes in, right?

406
00:28:03.660 --> 00:28:06.660
It's 30 minutes, nearly 30 minutes to the end.

407
00:28:06.720 --> 00:28:09.720
It's just a sort of little bit of colour.

408
00:28:09.720 --> 00:28:14.819
And he says, you have to carry these with you for the rest of the time, but they don't get mentioned again.

409
00:28:14.880 --> 00:28:16.079
Do you know what I mean?

410
00:28:16.140 --> 00:28:22.920
And so there's enough time to forget about it and there's enough going on in this plot that you, I just wasn't thinking about it anymore.

411
00:28:22.980 --> 00:28:32.579
And so the moment at the end where they just rush out and just rush towards him with those big fucking sticks and they're going to beat the shit out of him.

412
00:28:32.579 --> 00:28:35.339
Spash, bash, bash, bash.

413
00:28:35.400 --> 00:28:46.019
It's so funny and it fades to black and I was just waiting for some fucking scene at the end of the episode where they all sat down and talked about what it had meant and it doesn't happen.

414
00:28:46.079 --> 00:28:50.579
Instead, we just get fade to black as they run towards wharf to beat the crap out of him.

415
00:28:50.700 --> 00:28:51.359
It's wonderful.

416
00:28:51.420 --> 00:28:52.559
It's so good.

417
00:28:52.619 --> 00:28:54.240
This is really funny.

418
00:28:54.299 --> 00:28:56.460
So this thing between...

419
00:28:56.460 --> 00:28:57.900
This is that dialogue I was talking about.

420
00:28:57.960 --> 00:28:59.099
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

421
00:28:59.160 --> 00:29:04.619
So, so he says that, you know, someone's bought my stories.

422
00:29:04.619 --> 00:29:08.400
And Quark says, oh, for how much?

423
00:29:08.460 --> 00:29:20.039
He says, no, no, it's a figure of speech. and then he says, oh, well, we'll have a party to celebrate it. and the 1st round of drinks will be on the house and he says, fairly, and Quark says, no, it's a figure of speech.

424
00:29:20.099 --> 00:29:22.380
I think it's so great.

425
00:29:22.500 --> 00:29:24.359
Like so properly funny.

426
00:29:24.720 --> 00:29:29.819
I mean, please remember how bad 90s trek banter can be.

427
00:29:29.880 --> 00:29:32.700
Yeah, we watch Voyager quite frequently.

428
00:29:32.759 --> 00:29:35.700
Can't run more right every script, please.

429
00:29:36.000 --> 00:29:38.759
Oh, no, my favourite was later, though.

430
00:29:38.819 --> 00:29:40.559
I've done it in the previous episode, though.

431
00:29:40.619 --> 00:29:41.339
What's it?

432
00:29:41.400 --> 00:29:42.059
No food.

433
00:29:42.059 --> 00:29:43.859
No food on the path.

434
00:29:43.920 --> 00:29:44.519
Cow hire.

435
00:29:44.579 --> 00:29:47.160
No refunds for those on the public.

436
00:29:47.220 --> 00:29:47.819
Sorry.

437
00:29:49.920 --> 00:29:54.119
You can count on almond to come in and just deliver the best comic lives.

438
00:29:54.180 --> 00:29:56.700
Like the rhythm of the line is absolutely perfect.

439
00:29:56.759 --> 00:29:58.680
The way it parallels the previous line.

440
00:29:58.740 --> 00:30:00.359
Like it's just perfectly constructed.

441
00:30:00.480 --> 00:30:04.740
Then, you know, people don't always get the rhythm, I think, is the thing.

442
00:30:04.859 --> 00:30:05.519
Is this a bit?

443
00:30:05.579 --> 00:30:06.420
No, it's a bit later.

444
00:30:06.480 --> 00:30:11.400
The silent gag where they're going, you know, who will be fast to get the noise?

445
00:30:11.400 --> 00:30:16.019
Oh, and everyone's step, they all step backwards and leave Julian at the front that he doesn't realise.

446
00:30:16.019 --> 00:30:22.019
Marto says, I wasn't expecting you to volunteer and he looks around and goes, no, I wasn't expecting it either.

447
00:30:23.460 --> 00:30:25.680
Oh, this looks miserable.

448
00:30:25.740 --> 00:30:31.079
I can't imagine anything worse than sitting in a sauna with 4 straight men singing boring songs.

449
00:30:31.200 --> 00:30:32.339
Jesus Christ.

450
00:30:32.400 --> 00:30:33.299
That's the thing.

451
00:30:35.039 --> 00:30:37.319
Dax has got the right idea.

452
00:30:37.380 --> 00:30:43.980
She gets old Manuel from the Starship Sutherland to get all his clothes off and start juggling fire.

453
00:30:44.700 --> 00:30:48.900
Although Michael Dool does have a nice voice, doesn't he?

454
00:30:48.960 --> 00:30:50.099
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

455
00:30:50.160 --> 00:30:51.960
Well, they're singing in proper harmony here.

456
00:30:52.019 --> 00:30:55.440
Like the 2 of them have clearly practised this because they're singing different parts.

457
00:30:55.500 --> 00:30:57.059
It's not super complicated or anything.

458
00:30:57.119 --> 00:30:59.220
Look at ducks' muscles there.

459
00:30:59.279 --> 00:30:59.940
Go on, girl.

460
00:31:00.059 --> 00:31:09.180
So normally, of course, you know, the actor would be carrying something incredibly light, but it's absolutely clear that she's not.

461
00:31:09.240 --> 00:31:10.740
There's no hiding there, is there?

462
00:31:10.799 --> 00:31:11.519
That's right.

463
00:31:11.579 --> 00:31:12.539
That's it.

464
00:31:12.599 --> 00:31:14.279
Like, she looks great.

465
00:31:14.339 --> 00:31:18.599
Like, you know, she's not hugely muscular, but she is muscular.

466
00:31:18.660 --> 00:31:24.779
I mean, she's lean and she's an attractive, conventionally attractive woman, but they're a muscle player.

467
00:31:24.839 --> 00:31:28.920
This is the same woman who played that meek Dax in series one.

468
00:31:29.940 --> 00:31:34.319
Yeah, I was really underwhelmed by her in series one when I 1st saw it.

469
00:31:34.380 --> 00:31:37.019
I thought she was the least interesting character by far.

470
00:31:37.079 --> 00:31:38.819
And she's magnificent at this point.

471
00:31:39.000 --> 00:31:40.200
I turn it around, don't they?

472
00:31:40.319 --> 00:31:40.859
Yeah.

473
00:31:41.339 --> 00:31:45.900
To the point where people were going, how could Asri possibly live up to her?

474
00:31:45.960 --> 00:31:49.200
Of course, they just go in a completely different direction.

475
00:31:49.259 --> 00:31:50.759
Yeah, absolutely adorable.

476
00:31:50.819 --> 00:31:52.019
Like just absolutely fantastic.

477
00:31:52.259 --> 00:31:57.720
I love her crown, the crown that Cirella is wearing is so beautiful, isn't it?

478
00:31:57.779 --> 00:32:00.720
I think I got this speech from my ex-muff-in-law, you know.

479
00:32:00.779 --> 00:32:04.440
In this family, at best you would be an object of pity.

480
00:32:07.019 --> 00:32:10.799
Do you know, she used to make me, oh, 1st moved in, right?

481
00:32:10.859 --> 00:32:16.259
She used to make me go and make her cups of tea, yeah. and I'd make it for her and she was at a massive house.

482
00:32:16.319 --> 00:32:21.000
She was right at the other end and I take it to her and she'd go, it's not really tea coloured, is it?

483
00:32:21.059 --> 00:32:21.599
Try again.

484
00:32:21.660 --> 00:32:23.279
And send me away again.

485
00:32:23.339 --> 00:32:25.980
She was worse than Syrilla.

486
00:32:26.039 --> 00:32:26.700
I'll tell you.

487
00:32:26.759 --> 00:32:29.880
We were actually very good friends by the time the separation.

488
00:32:29.940 --> 00:32:32.579
I was going to miss her more than him.

489
00:32:34.140 --> 00:32:38.400
Now this scene, this is the one scene I don't quite understand.

490
00:32:38.460 --> 00:32:43.920
I don't understand why Jad Sia gives her the true historical account.

491
00:32:44.160 --> 00:32:48.900
It's pissing her off and she knows, like, why is she doing this?

492
00:32:48.960 --> 00:32:50.160
Yeah, yeah.

493
00:32:50.220 --> 00:32:51.960
And it's sort of boring as well.

494
00:32:52.019 --> 00:32:54.779
Like, I just don't, like, it's not that interesting a scene.

495
00:32:54.839 --> 00:32:57.059
And like the dynamic between them.

496
00:32:57.119 --> 00:32:59.579
Like, I don't quite know what the dynamic's supposed to be.

497
00:32:59.640 --> 00:33:01.500
She's winning.

498
00:33:01.559 --> 00:33:01.799
Why?

499
00:33:01.859 --> 00:33:09.240
You know, like, and it doesn't lead to anything because it's not that that makes her call the wedding off or anything like that.

500
00:33:09.299 --> 00:33:16.079
It's much more fun when she turns up in the quarters and goes, you know, you're sitting there dressed like a rising slut.

501
00:33:16.140 --> 00:33:27.180
I mean, there's something about, you know, the fact that Dax is so much older than her and has so much experience and she's presenting herself as this matriarch.

502
00:33:27.240 --> 00:33:33.480
You know, there might be something interesting, but that doesn't seem to be what the dynamic is based on here.

503
00:33:33.539 --> 00:33:34.920
I just, I don't get it.

504
00:33:34.980 --> 00:33:38.819
She's still using those obvious fakes from the earlier scene as well. you know?

505
00:33:38.880 --> 00:33:39.900
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

506
00:33:39.960 --> 00:33:40.980
I have candles.

507
00:33:41.940 --> 00:33:45.059
But yeah, very odd.

508
00:33:45.119 --> 00:33:49.200
Although one decision that they made, I think I read in Jammer's review, actually.

509
00:33:49.259 --> 00:33:51.299
It was sort of 2.5 stars.

510
00:33:51.359 --> 00:33:52.859
You said one Ben he gave it, didn't he?

511
00:33:52.920 --> 00:33:53.700
Yeah.

512
00:33:53.759 --> 00:33:59.819
And he was going, oh, you know, you miss the scene where she apologises to, No, we know that's gonna happen.

513
00:33:59.880 --> 00:34:02.339
What on earth benefit would we get from seeing that?

514
00:34:02.400 --> 00:34:07.500
Yeah, I wanted to talk about that because I actually think that that resolution is really great.

515
00:34:07.559 --> 00:34:22.440
And like I said, it's the standard sitcom scene where the mother-in-law says, I find it touching that you went to all that trouble or that just shows me how much you love him and or it shows me that you are you have the heart of a Klingon because you punch someone in the face.

516
00:34:22.500 --> 00:34:23.400
Do you know what I mean?

517
00:34:23.460 --> 00:34:24.900
Like, it doesn't matter.

518
00:34:24.960 --> 00:34:27.119
We do need to know that it's resolved.

519
00:34:27.179 --> 00:34:33.300
And I think the line, Sirella's line is so gracious and so accepting.

520
00:34:33.420 --> 00:34:34.380
Like, it's really good.

521
00:34:34.380 --> 00:34:38.039
She must have begged a lot, you know, when she went to it.

522
00:34:38.099 --> 00:34:38.760
And that's it.

523
00:34:38.880 --> 00:34:39.780
If she's begging.

524
00:34:39.840 --> 00:34:44.340
Like, if it really is, she has to beg Sirella for forgiveness, why would we want to see that?

525
00:34:44.400 --> 00:34:47.400
Like, in what way is that enjoyable for us to watch?

526
00:34:47.460 --> 00:34:49.380
This thing is well right.

527
00:34:49.440 --> 00:34:52.199
It's just Jake and Kira on the problem.

528
00:34:52.260 --> 00:34:53.219
It just feels busy.

529
00:34:53.280 --> 00:34:57.000
This whole station just feels like it's sort of thriving at the moment.

530
00:34:57.059 --> 00:35:06.239
So it's also doing, it's doing the Odo thing because he sees, you know, we see Odo and then Odo sees her and he pisses off in the background.

531
00:35:06.300 --> 00:35:08.400
And so that's what that's for.

532
00:35:08.460 --> 00:35:15.659
And then we're also talking about, what's happening in the, in the, you know, on the road to Calhire.

533
00:35:15.719 --> 00:35:20.159
But she gives him a look, as if to say...

534
00:35:21.599 --> 00:35:23.820
Go right initial stories.

535
00:35:23.820 --> 00:35:24.420
So stupid.

536
00:35:24.900 --> 00:35:27.059
I mean, they are right.

537
00:35:27.119 --> 00:35:28.559
They are. right.

538
00:35:29.579 --> 00:35:31.559
This is so funny.

539
00:35:31.619 --> 00:35:33.000
Oh, it's Julian's asleep.

540
00:35:33.059 --> 00:35:34.500
That's why he doesn't step forward.

541
00:35:34.559 --> 00:35:36.659
He's kind of, he's not eaten for 2 days.

542
00:35:36.719 --> 00:35:38.219
He's such a star.

543
00:35:38.280 --> 00:35:39.840
And then he looks around.

544
00:35:41.940 --> 00:35:44.099
Did you see the gleam?

545
00:35:44.159 --> 00:35:46.139
Look at the gleaming wharf's eye with a knife.

546
00:35:46.199 --> 00:35:49.019
I do not think it would be you, doctor.

547
00:35:49.079 --> 00:35:49.559
Let's go.

548
00:35:51.000 --> 00:35:52.920
Oh, dear.

549
00:35:52.980 --> 00:35:54.420
Oh, we set the time for the hot man.

550
00:35:54.480 --> 00:35:55.199
Oh, yes.

551
00:35:55.260 --> 00:35:57.000
Come on, man.

552
00:35:57.059 --> 00:35:58.800
Yeah, isn't he great?

553
00:35:58.920 --> 00:36:00.480
Do you know what I like as well?

554
00:36:00.539 --> 00:36:02.639
He's got a little bit of a tum. very sexy.

555
00:36:02.699 --> 00:36:03.599
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

556
00:36:03.659 --> 00:36:04.739
It's a lion.

557
00:36:04.800 --> 00:36:07.320
The actor's name's Sidney Liu Fow, I think.

558
00:36:07.380 --> 00:36:09.119
I hope I'm pronouncing it correctly.

559
00:36:09.179 --> 00:36:12.659
And his name is Manuela Artoa from the Sutherland.

560
00:36:12.719 --> 00:36:18.659
And the original idea was that he was going to be Samoan, but he's the actor's Hawaiian.

561
00:36:18.719 --> 00:36:21.300
And so he, like, I think he's beautiful.

562
00:36:21.360 --> 00:36:29.460
Like I just think he's absolutely gorgeous and and what's really great is that the girls think he's hot as well.

563
00:36:30.900 --> 00:36:33.480
Lisa is all over him.

564
00:36:33.539 --> 00:36:34.860
Look at Lita.

565
00:36:34.920 --> 00:36:36.059
Look at Lena looking at him.

566
00:36:36.119 --> 00:36:37.079
She's biting his leg.

567
00:36:37.139 --> 00:36:39.780
Mum goes, I've never seen anything like that.

568
00:36:39.840 --> 00:36:41.699
She goes...

569
00:36:41.760 --> 00:36:43.019
She's really into it.

570
00:36:43.260 --> 00:36:46.260
Did you notice as well in the next scene?

571
00:36:46.320 --> 00:36:47.760
Leah's on the bloody table.

572
00:36:47.820 --> 00:36:51.420
Rob's trying to get her down and she's pissed as houses on the table.

573
00:36:51.480 --> 00:36:54.719
But she's playing the drums with Manuela as well.

574
00:36:54.780 --> 00:36:57.840
Look, Danks is playing the drums in the background of this scene.

575
00:36:57.900 --> 00:37:06.119
I think it's really great because Star Trek is, you know, so male gaze focussed. you know what I mean?

576
00:37:06.179 --> 00:37:10.260
Like they now Kurtzmanrek has beautiful men all over the place, right?

577
00:37:10.320 --> 00:37:14.760
But it's not a thing that happens in original Star Trek and it's not a thing that they even think of.

578
00:37:14.940 --> 00:37:22.860
And think about all of the kind of fairly uglier and unimpressive men that the women fall in love with in Star Trek.

579
00:37:22.920 --> 00:37:25.440
So we've come in the 90s. a few of them, aren't we?

580
00:37:25.559 --> 00:37:25.920
yeah, yeah.

581
00:37:25.980 --> 00:37:27.239
Do you remember?

582
00:37:27.239 --> 00:37:27.659
Yeah.

583
00:37:27.719 --> 00:37:32.400
So this scene here, the the ending doesn't work without this scene.

584
00:37:32.460 --> 00:37:44.280
So this scene where the 2 of them are hanging over the fire and Julian says he's having a vision that he's going to kill war. going to kill war.

585
00:37:44.340 --> 00:37:46.079
I'm going kill him.

586
00:37:46.139 --> 00:37:47.820
That's what I'm going to do.

587
00:37:47.820 --> 00:37:49.800
I can see it so clearly now.

588
00:37:49.800 --> 00:37:52.559
And that scene is funny in itself.

589
00:37:52.619 --> 00:37:54.599
It works by itself.

590
00:37:54.659 --> 00:37:55.920
Do you know what I mean?

591
00:37:55.980 --> 00:37:58.679
Like, it's it's funny. those 2 boys.

592
00:37:58.739 --> 00:37:59.519
Do you know what I mean?

593
00:37:59.579 --> 00:38:00.780
They're having a really terrible time.

594
00:38:00.840 --> 00:38:04.559
Well, this party is going on elsewhere on the stage.

595
00:38:04.739 --> 00:38:09.599
She's having the best time. and more doesn't chess bub with Napoleon.

596
00:38:09.659 --> 00:38:12.000
Oh, they had a fight before.

597
00:38:12.059 --> 00:38:13.320
So they had a fight before.

598
00:38:13.380 --> 00:38:16.079
Oh, and this. this is so great.

599
00:38:16.139 --> 00:38:21.179
She goes, this party will continue as long as the chief officer says, it just happens to be me.

600
00:38:21.239 --> 00:38:22.440
Yeah, yeah.

601
00:38:22.500 --> 00:38:28.199
But neither of them are making eye contact like they're having this conversation, but they're not making eye contact with each other.

602
00:38:28.260 --> 00:38:29.880
She's not looking at him at all.

603
00:38:29.940 --> 00:38:33.840
He was never going to say what she says here.

604
00:38:33.900 --> 00:38:35.699
I'm so pleased she's the one that does it.

605
00:38:35.760 --> 00:38:38.280
She just goes, Odo, don't you think we need to talk?

606
00:38:38.340 --> 00:38:39.000
Yeah.

607
00:38:39.000 --> 00:38:48.420
Because I don't know if you remember that amazing scene in favour of the bold, where he says, I'm sorry, and she goes, we are way, way past.

608
00:38:48.480 --> 00:38:49.980
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

609
00:38:50.039 --> 00:38:50.519
Great.

610
00:38:50.579 --> 00:38:51.239
Yes.

611
00:38:51.300 --> 00:38:55.739
No, I really like it because it needs to be resolved, but we don't need to see it.

612
00:38:55.860 --> 00:39:00.360
And you know, we just don't need to see it, you know, and they had some plan.

613
00:39:00.420 --> 00:39:04.800
We did need to see every part of their romance in his way because...

614
00:39:04.860 --> 00:39:06.420
And we needed to see this fucking party.

615
00:39:06.480 --> 00:39:08.099
Like, I don't want to watch them talking.

616
00:39:08.159 --> 00:39:09.300
I want to go.

617
00:39:09.360 --> 00:39:10.800
I want to be at this party, you know.

618
00:39:10.860 --> 00:39:12.780
No, it was so great as well in the morning.

619
00:39:12.840 --> 00:39:14.219
They're still in the closet.

620
00:39:14.280 --> 00:39:15.599
They go, what the hell is the time?

621
00:39:15.659 --> 00:39:17.219
It's 1030 in the morning.

622
00:39:17.280 --> 00:39:18.539
Oh, God, I'm on duty.

623
00:39:18.599 --> 00:39:18.960
Jesus.

624
00:39:19.019 --> 00:39:21.900
Manuela's fire eat, fire breathing.

625
00:39:21.960 --> 00:39:22.679
Oh my goodness.

626
00:39:22.739 --> 00:39:25.199
And I like the fact that Dax is very honest.

627
00:39:25.260 --> 00:39:27.059
He goes, I'll get you a couple more days off.

628
00:39:27.119 --> 00:39:29.639
Just stay here and give me something nice to look at.

629
00:39:29.699 --> 00:39:31.320
Yeah, yeah, stay here and be me.

630
00:39:31.380 --> 00:39:33.780
And Captain Shelby gets a count out.

631
00:39:33.840 --> 00:39:36.300
She's the she's the captain of the Sutherland.

632
00:39:36.360 --> 00:39:42.840
Nathan, I don't get to say this too often on untitled Star Trek, but God, you just get on him and ride him, wouldn't you?

633
00:39:42.900 --> 00:39:44.880
I mean, look at him pretty, isn't he?

634
00:39:44.940 --> 00:39:46.800
It is adorable.

635
00:39:46.860 --> 00:39:47.760
He's adorable.

636
00:39:47.820 --> 00:39:49.079
This is wonderful.

637
00:39:49.139 --> 00:39:51.659
This is the most soap moment of the whole episode.

638
00:39:51.719 --> 00:39:55.500
Leave her or I'll cut your head off and hang it from my belt.

639
00:39:56.820 --> 00:39:59.099
I love a dress too.

640
00:39:59.219 --> 00:40:00.599
Isn't her dress beautiful?

641
00:40:00.659 --> 00:40:04.260
I bet she can pie, Serena, you know, when she walks to.

642
00:40:04.320 --> 00:40:07.320
Yeah, yeah. busy.

643
00:40:11.820 --> 00:40:15.000
I can't believe she slaps around the face.

644
00:40:15.059 --> 00:40:16.500
It's great, isn't it?

645
00:40:16.559 --> 00:40:20.219
Like, it's absolutely superb and it's exactly what you want to happen.

646
00:40:21.119 --> 00:40:24.000
Poor dog gets shoved out the way.

647
00:40:24.360 --> 00:40:26.280
Please, please.

648
00:40:26.760 --> 00:40:29.159
And then she spits on the floor.

649
00:40:29.219 --> 00:40:32.940
Oh, she pretends she mimes spitting on the floor anyway.

650
00:40:33.659 --> 00:40:35.940
Look at Rom's face.

651
00:40:36.000 --> 00:40:42.420
He's absolutely baffled. what's going on That's a great reaction, Slack John.

652
00:40:42.539 --> 00:40:43.079
Oh my god.

653
00:40:43.139 --> 00:40:45.599
There's that stupid dial that's that Aaron Eisenberg did.

654
00:40:45.659 --> 00:40:48.360
There's a whole bit in the documentary about that.

655
00:40:48.420 --> 00:40:50.639
It's like, I can't dance.

656
00:40:50.760 --> 00:40:51.960
He goes, just do something.

657
00:40:52.019 --> 00:40:55.260
And then everyone fell in love with that shit dance and started doing it.

658
00:40:55.320 --> 00:40:57.719
It's like the same from Wicked, isn't it?

659
00:40:57.780 --> 00:41:00.719
Where they all do alphabet's terrible doubt.

660
00:41:00.780 --> 00:41:05.039
And oh, so wait, you tell me.

661
00:41:05.099 --> 00:41:06.420
You should forget this sort of thing.

662
00:41:06.480 --> 00:41:08.639
Ma and Manuela last night.

663
00:41:08.699 --> 00:41:10.079
That's why they're still.

664
00:41:10.139 --> 00:41:11.280
Your issue is.

665
00:41:11.340 --> 00:41:13.320
There's no problem with that.

666
00:41:13.380 --> 00:41:15.179
It's the night before the wedding.

667
00:41:15.239 --> 00:41:17.039
No, she's not married yet.

668
00:41:17.099 --> 00:41:19.019
And so that's definitely a thing that happened.

669
00:41:19.079 --> 00:41:19.739
Oh, look.

670
00:41:19.739 --> 00:41:22.559
Oh, hair morn is very well endowed, you know.

671
00:41:22.619 --> 00:41:23.639
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

672
00:41:27.179 --> 00:41:29.579
He takes 2 glasses with him.

673
00:41:29.639 --> 00:41:31.440
Come on let's go get a drink.

674
00:41:31.860 --> 00:41:33.780
But do you know what?

675
00:41:33.840 --> 00:41:34.860
Like, they've had a party.

676
00:41:34.920 --> 00:41:35.639
They're hungover.

677
00:41:35.699 --> 00:41:40.559
These just feel like real people, just for once. just, you know, isn't it?

678
00:41:40.619 --> 00:41:43.739
Oh, and this is wharf.

679
00:41:43.800 --> 00:41:46.199
I love it when wharf is extremely melodramatic.

680
00:41:46.260 --> 00:41:54.659
And at the end of the scene where he goes, perhaps Sorella was right about you, there shall be no wedding. and then he flouts his off.

681
00:41:54.659 --> 00:41:57.960
Wolf is absolutely the woman of this elephant.

682
00:41:58.019 --> 00:41:59.760
Yeah, yeah, I really like that.

683
00:41:59.820 --> 00:42:02.579
But it's consistent with his character.

684
00:42:02.639 --> 00:42:05.940
Even consistent with his terrible character and let him, he was without sin.

685
00:42:06.000 --> 00:42:09.900
You know, like he's, of course he wants a traditional wedding because of the way he was brought up.

686
00:42:09.960 --> 00:42:13.019
He goes, you've been forbidden to join the House of Martoc.

687
00:42:13.079 --> 00:42:15.300
She goes, oh, I won't be invited to the family picnics.

688
00:42:15.360 --> 00:42:15.780
Who cares?

689
00:42:15.840 --> 00:42:19.199
she gets in bed, doesn't even take her boots off, yeah.

690
00:42:20.460 --> 00:42:22.500
Oh, yeah, we carry.

691
00:42:22.500 --> 00:42:24.300
I don't care in the climate.

692
00:42:27.300 --> 00:42:29.579
Kira looks so relaxed.

693
00:42:29.639 --> 00:42:30.239
Hi.

694
00:42:30.719 --> 00:42:33.059
That's really great, isn't it?

695
00:42:33.119 --> 00:42:35.219
It's like me at the start of these episodes.

696
00:42:37.320 --> 00:42:40.440
Oh, Kira's dress is beautiful as well.

697
00:42:40.500 --> 00:42:44.519
Gosh, the women, the women are both wearing such great casual wear.

698
00:42:44.579 --> 00:42:45.420
Party wear.

699
00:42:45.480 --> 00:42:50.219
Like, you get more of Kira and Dax than you think throughout the 1st 6 years.

700
00:42:50.280 --> 00:42:55.260
And I'm really pleased that then when Ezri comes along, you then start getting Kira and Ezri scenes as well.

701
00:42:55.320 --> 00:42:58.739
Because there's just not enough women in 90s strike.

702
00:42:58.800 --> 00:42:59.400
No.

703
00:42:59.460 --> 00:43:00.059
Yeah.

704
00:43:01.320 --> 00:43:02.880
There you go.

705
00:43:02.940 --> 00:43:07.679
You go back to sweating and bleeding with your friends. get married in Benjamin's office.

706
00:43:11.039 --> 00:43:16.380
They're just looking at this confrontation, which absolutely needs to happen, doesn't it?

707
00:43:16.440 --> 00:43:18.719
So that we can have the wedding.

708
00:43:18.840 --> 00:43:20.460
I mean, the wedding had to be called off at some point.

709
00:43:20.519 --> 00:43:21.960
Yeah, of course it did.

710
00:43:22.019 --> 00:43:22.679
Of course it did.

711
00:43:22.739 --> 00:43:23.940
It's wedding episode.

712
00:43:24.000 --> 00:43:25.980
It happens in day to day, remember?

713
00:43:26.159 --> 00:43:31.619
But what's so great as well is after this, they could have just, okay, fine, they got married.

714
00:43:31.679 --> 00:43:32.400
They're living together.

715
00:43:32.460 --> 00:43:38.280
We have seen after scene of their domestic arrangement at home, which I really love.

716
00:43:38.280 --> 00:43:40.860
Like, it doesn't sound like a lot, right?

717
00:43:40.920 --> 00:43:42.780
In TV terms, it doesn't sound like a lot.

718
00:43:42.840 --> 00:43:46.800
You have 2 characters get married in a TV show and then you see scenes of them at home.

719
00:43:46.860 --> 00:43:48.900
But that's a lot in 90s Shrek.

720
00:43:48.960 --> 00:43:50.099
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

721
00:43:50.219 --> 00:43:50.699
Yeah.

722
00:43:50.760 --> 00:43:53.639
And so now we have 2 married couples on the on the station.

723
00:43:53.699 --> 00:43:55.980
You know, like among the regular characters.

724
00:43:56.039 --> 00:44:02.280
I don't know if you remember, Nathan, that fabulous, you know, subplot in Times Orphan, Bombay mix.

725
00:44:02.340 --> 00:44:03.599
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

726
00:44:03.659 --> 00:44:06.659
That was a great sumplot, like a really properly great sumplot.

727
00:44:06.719 --> 00:44:07.739
I really really enjoyed it.

728
00:44:08.280 --> 00:44:13.500
And I'm pleased we get change of heart as well in the middle of the season.

729
00:44:13.500 --> 00:44:23.219
And that's it, you know, the episode that I think everyone knew was coming where Warf would have to choose between his owner and the mission and Dax, but so well played by the 2 of them.

730
00:44:23.280 --> 00:44:30.059
Like, in a way, I kind it would be miserable for her to go out that way for him to have chosen to have abandoned her.

731
00:44:30.119 --> 00:44:30.900
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

732
00:44:30.960 --> 00:44:34.800
But it's probably a better last episode than the one she actually gets.

733
00:44:34.860 --> 00:44:35.940
Yeah, yeah.

734
00:44:36.000 --> 00:44:37.199
Oh, this.

735
00:44:37.199 --> 00:44:40.500
He sums up both Wharf and Dax.

736
00:44:40.559 --> 00:44:41.820
He said, isn't it?

737
00:44:41.880 --> 00:44:43.079
Pick Ed stubborn man.

738
00:44:43.139 --> 00:44:48.119
He puts tradition above everything else and she's like frivolous and stuff.

739
00:44:48.179 --> 00:44:49.860
An emotional woman.

740
00:44:49.920 --> 00:44:51.000
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

741
00:44:51.659 --> 00:44:52.619
You see what the problem is?

742
00:44:52.679 --> 00:44:53.460
They're both right.

743
00:44:53.519 --> 00:44:54.179
They're both riot.

744
00:44:54.239 --> 00:44:54.420
Yeah.

745
00:44:55.320 --> 00:44:58.619
That's exactly what you're thinking as well.

746
00:44:58.679 --> 00:45:00.539
Like, that's exactly what you think.

747
00:45:00.599 --> 00:45:01.380
He gets really great.

748
00:45:01.440 --> 00:45:05.760
What's great is, I think, 0 my god, we can finally fucking eat.

749
00:45:05.820 --> 00:45:10.559
And just the food porn that we get when finally the food arrives.

750
00:45:10.860 --> 00:45:14.579
It's just that massive bread cob looks so amazing.

751
00:45:14.639 --> 00:45:19.019
I'm like, oh, yeah. talk about this scene.

752
00:45:19.079 --> 00:45:20.760
This scene is so good.

753
00:45:20.820 --> 00:45:22.139
This is so good.

754
00:45:22.199 --> 00:45:25.320
I think we've almost kind of talked about it already.

755
00:45:25.380 --> 00:45:30.480
But you've got, like, this is, this is the centre of it, I think.

756
00:45:30.539 --> 00:45:53.519
Yeah. because it's not really that Dax needs to overcome her pride, although that's important, but really it's Worf needs to put this whole thing into perspective, I think, you know, and Martok is so great because we've seen him and Sorella in that opening scene and they're completely different.

757
00:45:53.579 --> 00:46:00.239
They don't look like, you know, the loving couple that you kind of imagine on telly.

758
00:46:00.239 --> 00:46:02.280
And this, look at him describe her.

759
00:46:02.340 --> 00:46:03.780
Look at Michael describing her.

760
00:46:03.840 --> 00:46:06.840
She plays Tongo with the bartender.

761
00:46:06.900 --> 00:46:08.699
I can barely stand him.

762
00:46:08.760 --> 00:46:09.480
Now look at him.

763
00:46:09.539 --> 00:46:11.760
She mocks everything.

764
00:46:11.760 --> 00:46:13.320
And he's...

765
00:46:13.320 --> 00:46:14.460
She mocks everything.

766
00:46:14.519 --> 00:46:21.000
I take everything so seriously. smiling and that look, he realises that that's why he loves her.

767
00:46:21.059 --> 00:46:24.239
Like he, he, you know, it's so great.

768
00:46:24.300 --> 00:46:28.320
And this, we're not accorded the luxury of choosing the women that we fall in love with.

769
00:46:28.380 --> 00:46:29.039
It's wonderful.

770
00:46:29.099 --> 00:46:35.699
It's just like, I mean, I don't want to reveal too much about our personal life, but you know, you and me, we've been friends sometime now.

771
00:46:35.760 --> 00:46:40.320
We've had many conversations about our overalls and they're fucking irritating things they do all the time.

772
00:46:40.380 --> 00:46:44.159
And yet, as Martok says, we do love them.

773
00:46:44.219 --> 00:46:45.719
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

774
00:46:45.780 --> 00:46:46.260
Yeah.

775
00:46:46.320 --> 00:46:52.019
It's almost an irrational love, but it's, you know, look at him.

776
00:46:52.079 --> 00:46:53.940
Look at him selling it too.

777
00:46:54.000 --> 00:46:54.840
You're right.

778
00:46:54.900 --> 00:46:57.119
I hadn't really noticed this last time round.

779
00:46:57.179 --> 00:47:01.260
But it's like, but yet I love her deeply and that's a kind of cheesy line.

780
00:47:01.320 --> 00:47:03.900
But fucking hell if Hans doesn't sell it.

781
00:47:03.960 --> 00:47:10.260
Why it's so effective is because he usually spits and growls his lines and here he speaks so softly.

782
00:47:10.320 --> 00:47:15.119
Honour gives little comfort to a man alone in his home.

783
00:47:15.179 --> 00:47:18.719
I mean, this could be pony lines, but they're great.

784
00:47:18.780 --> 00:47:20.039
They look really great.

785
00:47:20.579 --> 00:47:27.119
And back, oh, yeah, but then Wolf goes to try and apologise to her and shit, having none of it.

786
00:47:27.179 --> 00:47:27.840
Oh, fuck you.

787
00:47:27.900 --> 00:47:28.380
All right.

788
00:47:28.440 --> 00:47:29.460
You had your chance.

789
00:47:29.519 --> 00:47:31.079
So this.

790
00:47:31.139 --> 00:47:34.199
No, you see, it's not the mushrooms, but it is Julian's food.

791
00:47:34.260 --> 00:47:36.780
Like, I don't know, I double L tear sandwich.

792
00:47:36.840 --> 00:47:37.440
He gives a shit.

793
00:47:37.500 --> 00:47:40.199
Oh, I can't have those prawns, though.

794
00:47:40.260 --> 00:47:41.340
Look at those massive shrimps.

795
00:47:41.400 --> 00:47:42.719
They kill me.

796
00:47:42.780 --> 00:47:45.059
The jacket potato looks delicious.

797
00:47:45.119 --> 00:47:47.340
You're right about the food, the bread, though.

798
00:47:47.400 --> 00:47:49.920
Yeah, it takes you want to rip it over. amazing.

799
00:47:49.980 --> 00:47:54.059
You know what will go great with that massive bread would be fondue.

800
00:47:54.119 --> 00:47:55.619
Just dipping it enough onto.

801
00:47:55.679 --> 00:47:57.719
I'm missing you mop up the gravy from the steak.

802
00:47:57.780 --> 00:47:58.500
Oh, we go.

803
00:47:58.500 --> 00:48:00.300
No.

804
00:48:00.300 --> 00:48:02.159
On the path...

805
00:48:05.460 --> 00:48:08.039
Look at, Julian, the face.

806
00:48:08.039 --> 00:48:09.719
I'm like, no.

807
00:48:09.780 --> 00:48:11.159
Bring it back, please.

808
00:48:11.579 --> 00:48:15.420
I mean, Nathan, if we didn't eat for 5 days, Can you imagine?

809
00:48:15.480 --> 00:48:16.380
No, that could never happen.

810
00:48:16.440 --> 00:48:20.820
I would literally kill somebody.

811
00:48:20.880 --> 00:48:22.199
You haven't noticed, right?

812
00:48:22.260 --> 00:48:24.239
I watched them because I watched this twice.

813
00:48:24.300 --> 00:48:30.480
The 1st time I did notice them, the 2nd time, they're literally constantly putting up the decorations and taking...

814
00:48:30.539 --> 00:48:31.739
I look at his face.

815
00:48:31.800 --> 00:48:33.360
He's like, oh, you kidding me?

816
00:48:33.420 --> 00:48:34.500
got to put this up again.

817
00:48:35.099 --> 00:48:37.079
Oh, I love that.

818
00:48:37.139 --> 00:48:38.099
I do love this scene as well.

819
00:48:38.159 --> 00:48:44.280
And I'll tell you for why, it's because Avery and Terry have just got their chemistry down pan now.

820
00:48:44.340 --> 00:48:55.440
So when after her anger subsides and she's on the sofa with him and they're really tactile, they touch each other, she hugs into him and I just buy it, I buy the friendship.

821
00:48:55.500 --> 00:49:01.079
I mean, I'm not, I'm, I'm less convinced about this scene.

822
00:49:01.139 --> 00:49:04.860
I think, because I think that because the Martok wharf scene is so great.

823
00:49:04.920 --> 00:49:07.199
Because Michael's performance is so subtle.

824
00:49:07.260 --> 00:49:08.340
Come on.

825
00:49:08.400 --> 00:49:10.920
Curse on negotiated near court. got news for you.

826
00:49:10.980 --> 00:49:12.239
You ain't cursed on anymore.

827
00:49:12.300 --> 00:49:13.679
Yeah.

828
00:49:13.739 --> 00:49:14.579
Yeah.

829
00:49:14.639 --> 00:49:15.840
Oh, he's great.

830
00:49:15.900 --> 00:49:20.940
And I guess too, the thing here is a bit of a space thing as well.

831
00:49:21.000 --> 00:49:21.900
Do you know what I mean?

832
00:49:21.960 --> 00:49:28.500
Like you're, uh, you know, 350 years old, but you just look like a young woman and you have to kind of know your place.

833
00:49:28.559 --> 00:49:30.059
Like, I don't know.

834
00:49:30.119 --> 00:49:36.059
I like, no, but if she wants to join the family, she has to obey the traditions.

835
00:49:36.119 --> 00:49:37.500
That's fair, I think, you know?

836
00:49:37.559 --> 00:49:38.039
Fine.

837
00:49:38.099 --> 00:49:39.239
Don't join the family then.

838
00:49:39.300 --> 00:49:46.920
I think, though, a better ending is Sorella recognises that she's a Klingon.

839
00:49:46.980 --> 00:49:52.980
You know, the, it's the, I'm not putting up with your crap and it's kind of like you have the heart of a Klingon, don't you think?

840
00:49:54.119 --> 00:50:00.119
I do wonder if Dax's got a bit big for her boots at this point. to get over herself a little bit.

841
00:50:00.179 --> 00:50:10.679
But, you know, like, it's just the kind of like, no, beg the old lady for forgiveness that's not a great outcome, and it's why I'm glad that we're spared seeing it.

842
00:50:10.739 --> 00:50:15.300
How she sums this up, though, because, you know, I was perfectly happy being by myself.

843
00:50:15.360 --> 00:50:16.619
I had friends, a career.

844
00:50:16.679 --> 00:50:20.280
See, season 3 of Deep Space Nine, I was so happy.

845
00:50:20.340 --> 00:50:25.559
And then Michael Dawn walked into my life and well, they realised we had great chemistry.

846
00:50:25.619 --> 00:50:30.000
I fucking hate the line, but this Klingon with a bad attitude, walked into our life.

847
00:50:30.059 --> 00:50:32.639
It's so bad, what a cheesy day of life.

848
00:50:32.699 --> 00:50:34.320
I have a total sitcom line, isn't it?

849
00:50:34.380 --> 00:50:38.039
So, so, if, no, no, no, if, that's a great line, though.

850
00:50:38.099 --> 00:50:46.380
Where he goes, she goes, I always leave with my heart, and he goes, that, you know, that's what I've always loved about you, and that's why I love you too.

851
00:50:46.440 --> 00:50:48.360
It's just because he says it so softly.

852
00:50:48.420 --> 00:51:00.659
So she says that she's 356 years old here. which means that she was born in 2018, which means that right now, as we record this, she's seven.

853
00:51:00.719 --> 00:51:03.179
On the true home world, yeah?

854
00:51:03.239 --> 00:51:04.980
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

855
00:51:05.039 --> 00:51:07.559
So she's not sure that worm hasn't gone to anyone.

856
00:51:07.619 --> 00:51:09.840
Yeah, it's got opportunity for a little while. no I don't know.

857
00:51:10.079 --> 00:51:13.440
Oh, don't you just want a hug from Avery Brooks?

858
00:51:13.500 --> 00:51:14.820
He looks like a good hug.

859
00:51:14.880 --> 00:51:18.360
I also like the I grew up thing and she says maybe it's time I grew up too.

860
00:51:18.420 --> 00:51:19.679
I thought that was pretty good.

861
00:51:19.800 --> 00:51:20.820
I did think that was okay.

862
00:51:20.880 --> 00:51:27.300
And it leans into the history of the 2 characters that Curzon used to mentor, Cisco, now vice versa.

863
00:51:27.360 --> 00:51:28.500
It's just nice.

864
00:51:28.559 --> 00:51:33.960
It's that stuff I said to you about self-petuating character scenes, just because they've set all this stuff up.

865
00:51:34.019 --> 00:51:37.800
Now, I think this ceremony is fucking great.

866
00:51:37.860 --> 00:51:42.960
I think that the speech about the Klingon heart is actually really good.

867
00:51:43.019 --> 00:51:44.880
Like, I think it's actually really good.

868
00:51:44.940 --> 00:51:47.159
It's cheesy and science fictiony as hell.

869
00:51:47.219 --> 00:51:47.880
Do you know what I mean?

870
00:51:47.940 --> 00:51:50.760
But there's a poetry to it, which I don't think is terrible.

871
00:51:50.820 --> 00:51:51.840
Look at that.

872
00:51:51.900 --> 00:51:55.679
Look at how great Quark's bar looks with all those decorations.

873
00:51:55.739 --> 00:51:57.719
Did you notice the wind instrument come in as well?

874
00:51:57.780 --> 00:51:59.219
whilst the music was playing.

875
00:51:59.280 --> 00:52:03.539
Obviously, you've got the drums going, but there's a flute that comes in at one point.

876
00:52:03.599 --> 00:52:05.099
But it's really good.

877
00:52:05.159 --> 00:52:06.539
Like, I think it's really good.

878
00:52:06.539 --> 00:52:12.719
And it's Ron Moore, who basically created the Klingons and created the part of the mythos.

879
00:52:12.840 --> 00:52:15.840
Didn't he, did he create the thing where the Klingons killed their gods?

880
00:52:15.900 --> 00:52:17.460
Because it's been mentioned.

881
00:52:17.579 --> 00:52:18.840
It's been mentioned before.

882
00:52:18.900 --> 00:52:20.880
It's mentioned in Star Trek, the next generation.

883
00:52:20.940 --> 00:52:23.579
I think we've talked about it on this show at some point.

884
00:52:23.639 --> 00:52:27.119
The thing is, it feels, and it does have to do both of these things.

885
00:52:27.179 --> 00:52:32.280
It feels authentically Klingon and it feels authentically religious.

886
00:52:32.340 --> 00:52:35.039
Well, religious as well, in a way that we recognise.

887
00:52:35.099 --> 00:52:36.780
But also romantic.

888
00:52:36.840 --> 00:52:44.280
Like it's just it's about how much the 2 of them love one another and how strong their love is because they're Klingons.

889
00:52:44.340 --> 00:52:48.179
It's also, and the best possible way is hugely dramatic.

890
00:52:48.239 --> 00:52:51.300
And the gods knew that they had air.

891
00:52:51.360 --> 00:52:52.500
I love it.

892
00:52:52.559 --> 00:52:53.639
I think it's really good.

893
00:52:53.699 --> 00:52:56.099
It could have been so shit, but I think it really, really works.

894
00:52:56.219 --> 00:52:59.400
She has she has a bit of an issue with coming in.

895
00:52:59.460 --> 00:53:00.179
She loved the dress.

896
00:53:00.300 --> 00:53:01.320
Why wouldn't she?

897
00:53:01.380 --> 00:53:02.519
She looks smoking fucking hot.

898
00:53:02.579 --> 00:53:07.500
But they gave her boots that were too big and she goes, I wish they cut the bit of me coming in.

899
00:53:07.559 --> 00:53:09.539
I look like a trucker coming along to a wedding.

900
00:53:09.840 --> 00:53:12.179
I did keep an eye out for it.

901
00:53:12.239 --> 00:53:13.800
No, I think she's a bit harder on herself.

902
00:53:13.860 --> 00:53:17.280
I think if you didn't know that you wouldn't pick up on it.

903
00:53:17.760 --> 00:53:23.159
Oh, so here's Alexander's role, which obviously we need to see because it justifies the thing.

904
00:53:23.219 --> 00:53:26.099
The 2nd heart beats stronger than the first.

905
00:53:26.460 --> 00:53:29.400
I mean, for once, they've just got the costumes.

906
00:53:29.460 --> 00:53:29.760
Perfect.

907
00:53:29.820 --> 00:53:31.980
They both look terrific.

908
00:53:32.039 --> 00:53:34.920
The headdresses as well.

909
00:53:34.980 --> 00:53:37.619
Yeah, yeah, yeah, he looks beautiful, doesn't he?

910
00:53:37.679 --> 00:53:38.460
They look great.

911
00:53:39.420 --> 00:53:42.000
Jamma, go and watch this again.

912
00:53:42.059 --> 00:53:43.320
Why wouldn't they be in love?

913
00:53:43.380 --> 00:53:45.420
They're so fucking smoking hot, the pair.

914
00:53:45.480 --> 00:53:46.139
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

915
00:53:46.199 --> 00:53:47.699
And Sorella's line as well.

916
00:53:47.760 --> 00:53:51.239
When the 2 hearts began to beat together, did she say something?

917
00:53:51.239 --> 00:53:52.980
Like nothing could even stop them.

918
00:53:53.400 --> 00:53:55.019
Oh, that's coming.

919
00:53:55.019 --> 00:53:58.019
Yeah, yeah, for the 1st time, the guards knew fear.

920
00:53:58.079 --> 00:54:00.480
They tried to flee, but it was too late.

921
00:54:00.539 --> 00:54:06.960
The Klingon hearts destroyed the gods who created them. and turned the heavens to ashes.

922
00:54:07.019 --> 00:54:07.920
Ready?

923
00:54:07.920 --> 00:54:13.019
To this very day, no one can oppose the beating of 2 Klingon hearts.

924
00:54:13.139 --> 00:54:16.139
Not even...

925
00:54:16.139 --> 00:54:17.219
Doesn't she say?

926
00:54:17.280 --> 00:54:18.480
No, even me.

927
00:54:18.539 --> 00:54:27.900
Not even me, which I thought was really good, and it's actually beautifully delivered, and she looks straight at Jadzia, and Jadzia looks at her.

928
00:54:27.960 --> 00:54:32.579
And I think that, you know, the idea that that's been achieved by her grovelling to Sirella.

929
00:54:32.639 --> 00:54:35.940
I don't think that's a great outcome, but fortunately we don't have to see it.

930
00:54:36.000 --> 00:54:37.440
Did you see that?

931
00:54:37.500 --> 00:54:44.820
We cut to the Ferengi family and Lita looks at Rom, like she is so in love with him.

932
00:54:45.239 --> 00:54:47.519
Just little moments like that.

933
00:54:47.579 --> 00:54:48.719
I love this show.

934
00:54:48.780 --> 00:54:49.739
It's great, it's lovely.

935
00:54:49.739 --> 00:54:50.760
It's really probably good.

936
00:54:50.820 --> 00:54:54.480
I like it when she says my daughter as well and gets in the heart.

937
00:54:54.539 --> 00:54:55.139
I do too.

938
00:54:55.199 --> 00:54:56.699
I think it's very generous.

939
00:54:56.760 --> 00:54:57.840
It's lovely. yeah, yeah.

940
00:54:57.900 --> 00:54:58.199
Yeah.

941
00:54:58.260 --> 00:55:00.659
Oh, your joke's still to come yet, though.

942
00:55:00.780 --> 00:55:01.139
Now?

943
00:55:01.559 --> 00:55:04.440
I really, genuinely thought, can we eat?

944
00:55:04.500 --> 00:55:05.280
Can we eat now?

945
00:55:05.340 --> 00:55:06.239
Can we eat?

946
00:55:06.360 --> 00:55:07.440
Because that's all I was thinking of.

947
00:55:07.500 --> 00:55:10.380
I don't think it maybe it's designed like that too.

948
00:55:10.440 --> 00:55:15.360
Like maybe we have that whole food thing there to throw us off the track.

949
00:55:15.420 --> 00:55:18.000
I know, because they've got the fucking sticks.

950
00:55:18.059 --> 00:55:19.320
Like, how did I not pick it up?

951
00:55:19.380 --> 00:55:21.239
They're there with the big drumsticks in there.

952
00:55:21.300 --> 00:55:26.820
It's when they both go...

953
00:55:26.820 --> 00:55:28.440
But again, we're so used to it.

954
00:55:28.500 --> 00:55:30.300
Yeah, look, now, now.

955
00:55:31.380 --> 00:55:35.039
I want to beat the shit out of that gang on prick.

956
00:55:35.099 --> 00:55:35.639
Come on.

957
00:55:35.760 --> 00:55:37.619
And it's stupid.

958
00:55:37.739 --> 00:55:38.639
Do they beat them both up?

959
00:55:38.699 --> 00:55:40.920
No, no, no, no. would be no fun.

960
00:55:41.039 --> 00:55:42.840
And they hug.

961
00:55:42.900 --> 00:55:43.260
Look at that.

962
00:55:43.320 --> 00:55:44.159
Here we go.

963
00:55:47.579 --> 00:55:49.800
It's so good.

964
00:55:49.860 --> 00:55:51.119
That's so great.

965
00:55:51.179 --> 00:55:53.280
Just wear it fades to black.

966
00:55:53.340 --> 00:55:54.179
It's just perfect.

967
00:55:54.300 --> 00:55:56.820
And Star Trek so rarely does that.

968
00:55:56.880 --> 00:56:04.199
It's so rarely willing to forego the stupid scene at the end where everyone tells us how they feel about what's gone on.

969
00:56:04.260 --> 00:56:17.340
Well, do you remember we, you know, one more, forgot this lesson because we love to take me out to the hollow suite, but then we have that scene in Quarks at the end, you know, where they're always... and there's a crap joke. than you, you know.

970
00:56:17.400 --> 00:56:19.320
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

971
00:56:19.380 --> 00:56:20.940
This ends on the gag.

972
00:56:21.000 --> 00:56:21.780
Wonderful.

973
00:56:21.780 --> 00:56:22.679
It's really good.

974
00:56:22.739 --> 00:56:23.340
It's really good.

975
00:56:23.400 --> 00:56:24.420
We need more of that.

976
00:56:24.719 --> 00:56:25.500
Mission.

977
00:56:25.559 --> 00:56:33.000
This week was to hang out with my favourite crew and have a great time and I think we've succeeded admirably.

978
00:56:33.059 --> 00:56:34.679
Absolutely, we have.

979
00:56:34.739 --> 00:56:39.300
We've just been screaming out lines and laughing our head off for an hour.

980
00:56:39.360 --> 00:56:41.039
No, this was really great.

981
00:56:41.159 --> 00:56:43.139
Much, much better than I anticipated.

982
00:56:43.199 --> 00:56:46.559
Really, really properly fun, just well done and so enjoyable.

983
00:56:46.679 --> 00:56:52.679
Is the key then, because you and me, we've done some miserable romance episodes in 90s trek, yeah?

984
00:56:52.739 --> 00:57:00.960
It's the key to getting a romance episode right in Star Trek that it's too regulars because we love this and we loved his way.

985
00:57:01.019 --> 00:57:02.880
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

986
00:57:02.940 --> 00:57:09.539
And do you remember the, um, that beautiful episode in Discovery with Gray and Adira as well.

987
00:57:11.460 --> 00:57:12.719
Yeah, so I...

988
00:57:12.719 --> 00:57:17.880
It doesn't work so much when a one shot, you know, murder shot act, because we know it's not going to go anywhere.

989
00:57:17.940 --> 00:57:21.420
I mean, I like a one shot romance episode.

990
00:57:21.480 --> 00:57:38.820
Like I like it as an idea and it's, you know, in this sort of TV, in this sort of anthology show or this sort of very lightly serialised television, it's often the only thing that you can hope for, but because Deep Space 9 is a soap opera rather than that, you know, we've had time for that relationship to happen.

991
00:57:38.880 --> 00:57:43.739
And so you don't have to introduce the person, you don't really have to spend time.

992
00:57:43.800 --> 00:57:48.599
You do a little thing, you know, that thing where Kira and Dax are talking about wharf and what he's like.

993
00:57:48.659 --> 00:57:57.420
You know, we learn a little bit about how she sees him, all of that sort of stuff, but it's part of a bigger picture, and it matters to us more, and it's more focussed.

994
00:57:57.480 --> 00:58:03.179
It's not the romance episode where there's a romance, a space thing happens and then they're parted forever.

995
00:58:03.239 --> 00:58:06.780
That turns out not to be that rewarding.

996
00:58:06.840 --> 00:58:09.840
There's um, there is the odds, what you're right.

997
00:58:09.900 --> 00:58:13.860
What's that lovely one with Picard and the one in late?

998
00:58:13.920 --> 00:58:18.300
Yeah, that's useful. and rejoined with Dax and Lenara Calm.

999
00:58:18.360 --> 00:58:19.320
That's beautiful as well.

1000
00:58:19.380 --> 00:58:32.460
But, you know, more often than not, it's something like unforgettable when Chakotay forgets Virginia Mazden, who turns up for one week or something like, or Harry Kim's latest doom romance or something like that.

1001
00:58:32.579 --> 00:58:36.840
Yeah, or just the terrible ones we've done like Meridian and the Price and the host.

1002
00:58:36.900 --> 00:58:42.780
Like the Bryce and the host are interesting because they have strong science fiction things, but the romance stuff basically fails, I think.

1003
00:58:42.840 --> 00:58:55.500
I can just remember watching a call to arms and then the 6 episode Dominion Arc, culminating in Sacrifice of Angels, which was the most exciting Star Trek episode I'd ever seen to that point.

1004
00:58:55.559 --> 00:59:01.679
And then this, and I just had nothing but hope for the future of DSN.

1005
00:59:01.739 --> 00:59:03.480
I was like, they're at their peak.

1006
00:59:03.539 --> 00:59:05.460
Like, how is this going to get better?

1007
00:59:05.519 --> 00:59:08.219
They're just delivering one banger after another.

1008
00:59:08.280 --> 00:59:12.179
And there are the odd week episode in 6 and seven.

1009
00:59:12.239 --> 00:59:18.539
But I think they're sort of here, you know, they've reached their zenith and and it just gets better.

1010
00:59:18.659 --> 00:59:22.019
And given that we've just explored much of Sirius 7 already.

1011
00:59:22.079 --> 00:59:25.440
We've only got shit DS9 to cover.

1012
00:59:31.920 --> 00:59:36.780
All right, it's the end of the episode and it's time for us to work out where we're going next.

1013
00:59:36.900 --> 00:59:38.460
This was your choice.

1014
00:59:38.519 --> 00:59:40.440
Of course, and so it's my turn.

1015
00:59:40.500 --> 00:59:43.860
And I am going to choose a different metric this time.

1016
00:59:43.920 --> 00:59:52.380
I'm going to choose the F. that we have done the smallest percentage of episodes of.

1017
00:59:52.739 --> 00:59:57.599
If that was out to be your usual metric of just choosing enterprise.

1018
00:59:57.599 --> 00:59:58.739
Enterprise, yeah.

1019
00:59:58.800 --> 01:00:02.519
Oh, I might have known.

1020
01:00:02.579 --> 01:00:03.360
Okay.

1021
01:00:03.420 --> 01:00:08.400
All roads laid back, sir, Nathan possibly choosing Enterprise on the randomiser.

1022
01:00:08.400 --> 01:00:09.420
Enterprise.

1023
01:00:09.780 --> 01:00:11.280
Why?

1024
01:00:11.400 --> 01:00:13.320
don't know. don't know.

1025
01:00:13.380 --> 01:00:17.639
It's given you no suggestion that you should be intrigued by it.

1026
01:00:17.699 --> 01:00:22.139
It's terrible, but I cannot look away and...

1027
01:00:23.880 --> 01:00:31.199
You're like rubbernecking a really dodgy car accident of some kind for 4 years.

1028
01:00:31.260 --> 01:00:32.400
Okay.

1029
01:00:33.780 --> 01:00:35.099
Well, let's see what we get then.

1030
01:00:35.159 --> 01:00:39.960
Well, look, we might be ahead of a few a few series once we've done this, so...

1031
01:00:39.960 --> 01:00:42.420
Do you remember the last one we did, that Malcolm Reed episode?

1032
01:00:42.539 --> 01:00:43.320
So boring.

1033
01:00:43.440 --> 01:00:44.460
It was terrible.

1034
01:00:44.519 --> 01:00:45.000
All right.

1035
01:00:45.059 --> 01:00:45.599
Here goes.

1036
01:00:47.099 --> 01:00:49.440
Okay.

1037
01:00:49.440 --> 01:00:53.159
Your random Star Trek episode is singularity.

1038
01:00:53.219 --> 01:00:55.800
Season two, episode nine.

1039
01:00:55.860 --> 01:00:56.820
What's?

1040
01:00:56.880 --> 01:00:58.800
I have no idea.

1041
01:00:58.860 --> 01:01:01.679
Maybe just keep pressing it until it's one that we recognise.

1042
01:01:01.739 --> 01:01:03.599
We'll never get one then.

1043
01:01:03.659 --> 01:01:04.440
I don't really...

1044
01:01:04.500 --> 01:01:05.460
No, I know quite a few.

1045
01:01:05.519 --> 01:01:07.019
No, no, I do know quite a few.

1046
01:01:07.079 --> 01:01:07.619
Okay.

1047
01:01:07.679 --> 01:01:10.079
You might get the Borg one, regeneration.

1048
01:01:10.739 --> 01:01:12.780
That sounds so boring.

1049
01:01:14.159 --> 01:01:18.599
I want one where he's just an absolute asshole.

1050
01:01:18.659 --> 01:01:20.159
I guess that could be any of them, really.

1051
01:01:20.280 --> 01:01:21.599
You won't be disappointed.

1052
01:01:22.559 --> 01:01:32.639
Ah, so jam summary of it is while surveying a black hole, the effects of undetected radiation poisoning caused the crew to engage in erratic behaviour.

1053
01:01:32.699 --> 01:01:41.699
So it could be like the naked now, but not fun in any way. like the beginning of this episode where I have to...

1054
01:01:41.760 --> 01:01:44.579
Troupe or Madness's Star Trek science logs.

1055
01:01:44.639 --> 01:01:46.860
I don't think I'm gonna need to do that in that episode.

1056
01:01:46.980 --> 01:01:48.420
All right.

1057
01:01:48.480 --> 01:01:50.639
Don't make me bring out Andre Balmanners.

1058
01:01:51.659 --> 01:01:54.420
I think he was working on Enterprise.

1059
01:01:54.480 --> 01:01:55.139
What you talking about?

1060
01:01:56.280 --> 01:02:03.900
So this is series four, episode eight, Awakening.

1061
01:02:03.960 --> 01:02:07.019
Oh, I don't have a clue what that is.

1062
01:02:07.139 --> 01:02:10.800
So it's the episode before Kashara.

1063
01:02:10.860 --> 01:02:28.619
So you remember Kashara is, uh, there's a 3 part story, the Forge Awakening and Kashara, which is the Vulcan 3 parter, where the Vulcans kind of, you know, reembrace their heritage.

1064
01:02:28.679 --> 01:02:30.239
So it's the middle one of those.

1065
01:02:30.300 --> 01:02:33.840
We have talked about it a little bit, but we haven't actually watched it.

1066
01:02:33.900 --> 01:02:34.679
Let's see.

1067
01:02:34.980 --> 01:02:37.440
I feel like we covered, we covered the best for that in the last one.

1068
01:02:37.500 --> 01:02:38.639
Lots of action in it.

1069
01:02:38.699 --> 01:02:40.380
We can do that later.

1070
01:02:41.460 --> 01:02:43.920
Okay, how about this one?

1071
01:02:43.980 --> 01:02:47.639
It's season two, episode 13, dawn.

1072
01:02:47.699 --> 01:02:48.780
Dawn.

1073
01:02:48.840 --> 01:02:49.619
Yeah.

1074
01:02:49.679 --> 01:02:51.239
It's called Dawn.

1075
01:02:51.360 --> 01:02:52.500
It's called Dawn.

1076
01:02:52.559 --> 01:02:55.079
I don't know if Michelle Trachtenberg is in it, perhaps.

1077
01:02:55.139 --> 01:02:56.760
Very angsty.

1078
01:02:56.820 --> 01:02:58.079
I should imagine that episode.

1079
01:02:58.380 --> 01:03:02.760
Lots of scenes of people screaming, gao, my bedroom, you know?

1080
01:03:03.960 --> 01:03:05.579
Go again.

1081
01:03:05.639 --> 01:03:07.139
That sounds really boring as well.

1082
01:03:07.260 --> 01:03:17.460
Trip and an alien pilot are marooned on a desolate moon where the 2 adversaries must put aside their differences and overcome a language barrier so they can escape.

1083
01:03:17.519 --> 01:03:21.059
It's Dharmok meets the enemy only crap.

1084
01:03:21.119 --> 01:03:22.800
Hang on a second.

1085
01:03:22.860 --> 01:03:23.699
What's that called?

1086
01:03:23.699 --> 01:03:24.659
Dawn.

1087
01:03:24.719 --> 01:03:27.420
Is this the one that Jama gives 0 styles to?

1088
01:03:27.480 --> 01:03:27.960
No.

1089
01:03:28.019 --> 01:03:29.639
Oh, okay.

1090
01:03:29.699 --> 01:03:30.599
I thought it was that episode.

1091
01:03:30.659 --> 01:03:31.920
If it was, I really wanted to do it.

1092
01:03:32.579 --> 01:03:34.679
He gives it one BM.

1093
01:03:34.739 --> 01:03:35.820
It's genuinely terrible.

1094
01:03:35.880 --> 01:03:37.920
That sounds boring as well.

1095
01:03:37.980 --> 01:03:38.460
Keep going.

1096
01:03:38.519 --> 01:03:38.940
Okay, come on.

1097
01:03:38.940 --> 01:03:40.380
We'll get that. will get there.

1098
01:03:40.440 --> 01:03:42.000
Kishara?

1099
01:03:43.440 --> 01:03:44.940
It was fun?

1100
01:03:45.059 --> 01:03:45.599
It was good.

1101
01:03:46.500 --> 01:03:50.820
Shadows of Pajam, which I think we may have rolled before.

1102
01:03:50.880 --> 01:03:52.800
It sounds Klingon to me.

1103
01:03:52.860 --> 01:03:55.079
Season one, episode 15.

1104
01:03:55.619 --> 01:03:57.119
Well, season one.

1105
01:03:57.179 --> 01:03:58.980
We haven't really gone there too much, have we?

1106
01:03:59.039 --> 01:04:04.440
No, so this one is Archer and Poll.

1107
01:04:04.500 --> 01:04:05.280
Oh dear.

1108
01:04:05.340 --> 01:04:10.739
I held hostage by a rebel organisation that wants to overthrow their planet's reigning government.

1109
01:04:10.800 --> 01:04:12.539
Oh, one last time.

1110
01:04:12.599 --> 01:04:13.860
Just press it one time.

1111
01:04:13.920 --> 01:04:15.780
That sounds really tedious.

1112
01:04:16.019 --> 01:04:18.539
Whatever this is, we'll do it, yeah?

1113
01:04:18.599 --> 01:04:24.179
All right, it's season one, episode 16, shuttle pod one.

1114
01:04:24.300 --> 01:04:27.900
Oh, no, for another Malcolm Green episode.

1115
01:04:28.139 --> 01:04:31.800
You said, you said we have to do it.

1116
01:04:31.860 --> 01:04:33.179
Do we have to do it?

1117
01:04:33.239 --> 01:04:44.579
It's Malcolm Reed and Tripp stuck in a shuttle pod for a whole episode doing such a Butch heterosexual banter for our episode.

1118
01:04:44.639 --> 01:04:46.559
Oh, no, no, no, kiss at the end.

1119
01:04:46.619 --> 01:04:48.119
Of course they don't.

1120
01:04:48.179 --> 01:04:51.840
No, they talk about they talk about a woman with big tits or something.

1121
01:04:51.900 --> 01:04:53.699
It's really.

1122
01:04:53.760 --> 01:04:54.780
No, we're not doing that.

1123
01:04:55.139 --> 01:04:56.699
All right.

1124
01:04:56.760 --> 01:04:57.480
It's seasoned.

1125
01:04:58.320 --> 01:05:00.960
Yeah, season three, episode 23, countdown.

1126
01:05:01.019 --> 01:05:03.960
The second last episode of the season, I guess.

1127
01:05:04.019 --> 01:05:06.059
Which episode season three?

1128
01:05:06.119 --> 01:05:09.000
Season three, episode 23?

1129
01:05:09.059 --> 01:05:17.280
Now, this could be potentially exciting because I think this is the episode that ends with the cliffhanger of the great spherical weapon heading towards Earth.

1130
01:05:17.340 --> 01:05:20.099
I think that you're right.

1131
01:05:20.159 --> 01:05:26.280
So, um, the final 2 episodes of series 3, a countdown and then 0 hour.

1132
01:05:26.340 --> 01:05:36.360
Now, I'm making a ruling because they've got different titles and because this is heavily serialised anyway, we'll just do countdown.

1133
01:05:36.420 --> 01:05:38.760
So it's the 2nd last series.

1134
01:05:38.820 --> 01:05:43.739
So the most recent one before that, did we do damage?

1135
01:05:43.800 --> 01:05:44.340
did, didn't we?

1136
01:05:44.400 --> 01:05:52.920
No, we did as Aussie Prime. which ended with that amazing Cliffhanger Enterprise being, you know, pummelled to death. and then there's damage.

1137
01:05:52.980 --> 01:05:54.840
So it's a few episodes after that.

1138
01:05:54.900 --> 01:05:56.280
But I'd really like to see that.

1139
01:05:56.340 --> 01:06:01.860
That sounds like it's pretty central to the arc of series three, which is an interesting, if flawed thing.

1140
01:06:01.920 --> 01:06:03.119
Could be fun to talk about.

1141
01:06:03.179 --> 01:06:07.199
I think that last little run of series three.

1142
01:06:07.260 --> 01:06:13.980
In terms of production, maybe in terms of confidence, it might be the best that Enterprise ever was.

1143
01:06:14.099 --> 01:06:17.579
I don't remember the penultimate episode, but yeah, no, I'm intrigued.

1144
01:06:17.639 --> 01:06:19.559
Let's see how they head into the finale.

1145
01:06:19.619 --> 01:06:20.820
Let's do that then.

1146
01:06:29.940 --> 01:06:34.860
You've been listening to entitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford and Nathan Bottomley.

1147
01:06:34.920 --> 01:06:41.699
We're online at untitled Star Trek project.com, where you can find subscription links and links to our social media accounts.

1148
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Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Ciceran, and the theme was composed by Cameron Lamb.

1149
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This episode was recorded on the 8th of April 2025 and released on the 11th of April.

1150
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We'll see you next time for Star Trek Enterprise Countdown.

1151
01:07:13.860 --> 01:07:17.579
Sorry, anything will be better than the Malcolm Reed one.

1152
01:07:17.639 --> 01:07:18.719
Oh, yeah, okay.

1153
01:07:18.780 --> 01:07:19.559
Yeah, no, no.

1154
01:07:19.679 --> 01:07:29.579
I'm kind of imagining like marooned, you know, in Red Dwarf, only not funny or entertaining in any way.

1155
01:07:29.639 --> 01:07:30.420
Yeah.

1156
01:07:30.480 --> 01:07:31.380
Is that one?

1157
01:07:31.440 --> 01:07:45.539
There's another one where they're stuck on a planet, like a shore leaf planet, the 2 of them, and they wound up getting into, you know, japes, uh, the pair of them, like with sexy women, and, oh, it's just, do they get robbed by the sexy women?

1158
01:07:45.599 --> 01:07:46.380
Like, I'd watch that.

1159
01:07:46.559 --> 01:07:48.059
I don't think so.

1160
01:07:48.059 --> 01:07:51.059
They get impregnated by the sexy woman they have done already.

1161
01:07:51.119 --> 01:07:53.219
I think they just fuck them, you know?

1162
01:07:53.280 --> 01:07:54.539
Thank God.

1163
01:07:57.179 --> 01:07:59.519
Okay, that does sound fun.

1164
01:08:00.059 --> 01:08:07.199
Then I'll do what I said I was going to do weeks and weeks ago and that is take us back to TOS because I think it's been a little bit.

1165
01:08:07.260 --> 01:08:08.219
Yeah.

1166
01:08:08.280 --> 01:08:10.679
In fact, I think we wonder if it was the last TOS?

1167
01:08:10.739 --> 01:08:12.420
When was the last TOS one we did?

1168
01:08:15.480 --> 01:08:16.439
Wait a sec?

1169
01:08:16.500 --> 01:08:17.460
I'll bring up this...

1170
01:08:17.460 --> 01:08:18.420
I can't even remember.

1171
01:08:19.020 --> 01:08:20.699
Been a while.

1172
01:08:20.760 --> 01:08:21.659
Oh gosh.

1173
01:08:22.020 --> 01:08:24.119
So...

1174
01:08:24.119 --> 01:08:25.560
Neutral Zone.

1175
01:08:26.760 --> 01:08:29.579
Sweet Sorrow, the game, how do you deck 12?

1176
01:08:29.640 --> 01:08:33.600
We don't even have a TOS episode on the front page of the site.

1177
01:08:33.659 --> 01:08:38.699
So we haven't done it for 10 episodes, and the one before that was the way to Eden.

1178
01:08:38.760 --> 01:08:40.920
That was the most recent one that we've done.

1179
01:08:40.979 --> 01:08:43.859
Which is terrible, but super interesting to talk about.

1180
01:08:43.920 --> 01:08:44.939
There was so much to say.

1181
01:08:45.000 --> 01:08:46.380
Yeah.

1182
01:08:46.439 --> 01:08:47.039
Yeah.

1183
01:08:47.100 --> 01:08:49.079
Yeah, I think that would be great.

1184
01:08:49.140 --> 01:08:50.340
I should have chosen that actually.

1185
01:08:50.399 --> 01:08:53.039
But I would love Enterprise.

1186
01:08:53.159 --> 01:08:54.720
You do.

1187
01:08:54.840 --> 01:08:56.039
I don't know why.

1188
01:08:57.600 --> 01:09:04.199
I had you this, you know, this wonderful fun wedding episode. such sweet sorrow.

1189
01:09:04.260 --> 01:09:09.119
That was like a big, exciting, two-part thing, which only had some crying in it, like it was okay.

1190
01:09:09.239 --> 01:09:11.159
That was pretty enjoyable.

1191
01:09:12.060 --> 01:09:14.460
Lots of exciting things happening.

1192
01:09:14.520 --> 01:09:17.460
We did spend most of the 2nd episode going, look at that.

1193
01:09:18.600 --> 01:09:21.239
Yeah, because it looked fucking amazing.

1194
01:09:21.479 --> 01:09:26.640
If people watch genuinely watch it alongside the episode, they'll have a great time.

1195
01:09:26.699 --> 01:09:28.380
Otherwise, they're like, what are they talking about?

1196
01:09:30.359 --> 01:09:32.039
Oh, I'm so sorry.

1197
01:09:32.039 --> 01:09:35.159
I read out that bit about Verderon particles at the start.

1198
01:09:35.220 --> 01:09:37.979
Well, I just thought, you know, let's be kind to people.

1199
01:09:38.039 --> 01:09:39.000
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1200
01:09:39.060 --> 01:09:40.920
No, there's probably some Verderon fans.

1201
01:09:40.979 --> 01:09:43.020
What was the other particle in there that got mentioned?

1202
01:09:43.079 --> 01:09:48.479
Oh, uh, hang on, Verderons, and I mean, this book is so long.

1203
01:09:48.840 --> 01:09:51.300
Oh, Christ, look at that.

1204
01:09:51.359 --> 01:09:53.699
Look at that alien. they put a picture in off.

1205
01:09:53.819 --> 01:09:55.500
Oh no.

1206
01:09:55.560 --> 01:09:56.699
What is that?

1207
01:09:56.760 --> 01:09:58.619
It's from Voyager.

1208
01:09:58.739 --> 01:10:01.020
Of course it is.

1209
01:10:01.079 --> 01:10:01.680
Of course it is.

1210
01:10:01.739 --> 01:10:03.960
It's like a 9.9 style.

1211
01:10:04.020 --> 01:10:05.220
Bimorius. isn't it?

1212
01:10:05.279 --> 01:10:06.420
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1213
01:10:06.539 --> 01:10:09.359
The Mutara nebula, there's a whole section there.

1214
01:10:09.420 --> 01:10:09.960
Oh, okay.

1215
01:10:09.960 --> 01:10:10.739
Well, that's important.

1216
01:10:10.800 --> 01:10:13.800
Maybe every time, every time, you know, we do an episode that's actually fun.

1217
01:10:13.800 --> 01:10:15.720
I'll pull out Andrew Bahman.

1218
01:10:15.720 --> 01:10:17.220
Yeah, spoil it for everyone.

1219
01:10:17.279 --> 01:10:19.199
So...

1220
01:10:19.199 --> 01:10:21.840
Oh, Verdron and Gravitron.

1221
01:10:21.840 --> 01:10:22.500
Gravitron.

1222
01:10:22.500 --> 01:10:23.159
Gravitron.

1223
01:10:23.159 --> 01:10:23.819
Gravitron.

1224
01:10:23.880 --> 01:10:24.720
Gravitol.

1225
01:10:24.779 --> 01:10:25.020
Sorry.

1226
01:10:25.079 --> 01:10:26.159
I think about the moon base skin.

1227
01:10:26.220 --> 01:10:27.180
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1228
01:10:27.239 --> 01:10:28.680
Well, it's never far from my thoughts.

1229
01:10:28.739 --> 01:10:35.279
So I'm glad the one note that I have, I have 3 notes for this episode, right?

1230
01:10:35.340 --> 01:10:37.380
is Dax was born in 2018.

1231
01:10:37.739 --> 01:10:39.720
Because I was thinking about that.

1232
01:10:39.840 --> 01:10:40.680
You got that in?

1233
01:10:40.680 --> 01:10:46.800
Terry thinks she walks like a truck driver to the altar because she...

1234
01:10:46.800 --> 01:10:47.640
You got that in?

1235
01:10:48.960 --> 01:10:54.600
There's no way Agentsia didn't have sex with Mourn and Manuela after the party broke up.

1236
01:10:54.720 --> 01:10:56.460
Definitely got that one in.

1237
01:10:56.520 --> 01:11:00.600
Although, I've ruined it somewhat by talking about more than enormous cock.

1238
01:11:00.659 --> 01:11:03.779
No, no, that's all right. it needed to be brought up.

1239
01:11:04.079 --> 01:11:05.699
Do you know what?

1240
01:11:06.119 --> 01:11:07.079
She thinks he's cute.

1241
01:11:07.140 --> 01:11:10.500
Remember, she talks about the little wiry hairs on his chin or whatever?

1242
01:11:10.560 --> 01:11:14.279
Like she's very open-minded.