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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So what are we watching today?

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Well, by a complete coincidence, we just so happened to be watching a Picard episode.

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After last week.

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I want to make I make a quick disclaimer before we go in.

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Because I think I was probably a little more negative than I wanted to be during the last episode.

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Um, and I want to just say kind of going into Nepenthe.

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This is a stunningly good episode of Star Trek.

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Like, whatever issues I have with Picard as a whole.

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It can deliver.

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And this delivers big.

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And it delivers what I think people want it from Picard, which is a massive shot on nostalgia.

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Yeah, yeah.

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But I think it works thematically as well.

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Like, it's a pivotal episode in the show, and it's not entirely about our old next generation characters as well, because the other regular cast get things to do.

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And there's a fairly solid B plot, I think.

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There is.

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And that's the other thing I'd like to say about Picard is I think by the end of the season, they have assembled a worthy successor cast to the next generation.

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Like, I think the the ensemble in Picard is really strong.

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I don't like what they do to some of these characters, especially what's the blonde woman's name who I really love?

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She's so cute and they do terrible things to her.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Have her murdering people and swallowing terrible pills and...

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She vomits twice in this episode.

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Not nice.

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And she's so cute.

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She's so lovely.

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And the actress is really, really good.

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And Raffi, I absolutely love.

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Her relationship with Picard.

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All right, it pisses me off that she calls him JL. really annoying.

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Apart from that.

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I think the actress is really great. 7 of 9 comes in and she's at our absolute best.

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Jerry Ryan is stunningly good.

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The guy we both fancy Rios.

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Oh, he's so beautiful. things I could do with that man.

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Wow, he's playing a multitude of characters and they're all really fun.

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So by the end of the season.

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We've got a fine...

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Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

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You've completely ignored the token Australian in the cast.

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Who's that?

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Who's Elanor?

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The adorable Romulan?

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The pretty little Romula.

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Yeah, see, he's lovely, but he's a bit serious, isn't he?

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No, he's not.

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He's a comic character.

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Like they play him for laughs quite a lot.

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Yeah, we don't see it here, but there's a lot of times when he's just literally played for laughs.

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I think it's such...

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It looks like he stepped straight out of Lord of the Rings from the big saw.

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Yeah.

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You think that's a comic character?

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I think you need to rewatch it because a lot of the time he is being played for laughs and I think it's adorable.

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He's very sexy.

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That's all I would say.

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Oh, he's such a pretty young man.

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And the Romulan guy with a beard is really sexy as well.

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This is a very sexy cast.

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All the women are very sexy.

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They've chosen them well.

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No, the woman who plays Narek's sister Larissa, I think, is stunningly gorgeous.

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Either to you, when I watched this the other day in preparation for this, about Marine Syrtis and how she had obviously visibly aged since the last time we saw a nemesis.

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God damn it, she's still hot.

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She's so good.

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She's really good.

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And it is that thing.

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You know, we talked about how Marina Syrtus gets to be herself as Tiana when she starts.

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She's got the Greek accent.

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She's really stayed and really kind of not very interesting.

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And then they lean into making her a little bit more fun.

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But, I mean, basically the only personal characteristic she ends up with is liking chocolate.

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You know, that's the only thing that we know about Deanna.

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Oh, and having a mum.

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Oh, I'm not going to say the best showing for Troy's the movies because, you know, the boob firming conversation, crashing the ship and all of that.

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But in terms of her just bringing Buckingham personality and herself.

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And then her Voyager episodes that she's a Pathfinder.

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She's really, very good.

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She's great.

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This, I'm going to say, right?

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Because you know, I think Troy is a pretty worthless character.

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Um, this is her best episode by a mile.

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It's wonderful.

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They lean into her appalling psychobabble. in a way that's genuinely meaningful in this.

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And the interactions between home and Picard, which was just so cold and professional in the next generation.

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Here, it's just warm and love, and I just believe that these 2 people absolutely love each other.

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It's terrible.

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I wanted it to be like this in the next generation.

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Yeah, I actually think what's really, really wonderful is the relationship between Riker and Picard, because it's nothing like what it is on the show.

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Nathan, I'll tell you what, you would know something about this, you know?

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Talk about a silver fox.

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How good does he look with the prey?

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Yeah, yeah.

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I think he looks a bit rough actually and could tidy it up a bit.

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I, he, well, also the same thing to you during the lockdown.

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Honestly.

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Well, I'm looking a bit rough today as well.

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But there's a real warmth and there is a shot at the end, which I think is stunningly beautiful.

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And if you go to the website, you'll see it, where the 3 of them hug, and both of them kiss Picard.

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Like a Riker kisses him.

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There's a real physical ease between them, a real proper warmth and respect, and there's a scene in this, right, where Riker says to Picard, oh, and only the great Jean-Luc Picard could possibly take the weight of all this on his shoulders.

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And every time I see that scene, I think back to that 1st scene, when they're together, where Picardo's being an absolute fucking arsehole to him, it's like, you know, I don't want to make an arse of myself with kids.

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You got to prove yourself to me.

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You got to go and separate that saucer.

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You've got to head down to Far Point Station and have a tedious adventure down there.

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And how far they've come?

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And he's now, he's not, he's not confronting him.

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He's actually, the scene has a purpose.

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He's trying to make him realise. you can lean on people, you know.

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It's really, really great.

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And it's there's a moment towards the end where Picard says to Riker, thank you for not talking me out of this.

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I know better than that.

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But, I mean, Riker guesses the whole thing as well.

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That's a great scene as well.

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That's smart.

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You know, they're properly smart.

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It is so good.

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But the bit as well, obviously, we're going to talk about as good as we go in.

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And also the bit where she says to Picard about Soji and, you know, how dare you, you do not know what she is going through right now.

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And I'm just like, I never knew Troy could be this good.

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Yeah.

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Like, I mean, don't, come on. be honest with me.

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They row her pretty appallingly throughout the next gen round.

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Yeah, I love it, man.

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I love...

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Alcar, no.

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Do you remember the bit when she goes to the transporter room and she's like the total vamp at this point.

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Yeah, yeah.

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And she's got the knife and she wrestles with the card. is the campus thing you've ever seen in your life.

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Oh, that thing, maybe maybe he's just sick of hearing you whining all the time.

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I know I am.

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She's so good.

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I really want to watch that. definitely want to watch that now.

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What is it?

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Oh no, we're going to kill her off and we'll bring her back in 2 minutes time.

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Okay, yeah, yeah, it's terrible.

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But, oh, man, I kind of really wish it was part of this show. written this well. you know, because here's the potential of Troy right here.

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Yep, you know?

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Well, I think what's happening here is, and I think the show itself comments on it.

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You're taking people from a procedural show that was entirely about space problems where massive things would happen to people every week and there would be no consequences.

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And in fact, the only proper time that they do give consequences is best of both worlds. where they devote that episode family to Picard's recovery from being turned into a Borg.

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And obviously that trauma is then revisited in 1st contact and again here.

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And getting these characters who were not at all designed for this kind of show and putting them in here and seeing what happens, I think is really interesting.

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But you know what they're doing as well?

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is they're leaning on the actors, like very natural love and chemistry for each other.

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And they absolutely should be doing that, you know?

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And I'm hoping when spoilers to anyone who hasn't seen trailers, Whoopi Goldberg comes in in season 2 and John Delancey comes in in season 2 that this continues, you know, and I think it will.

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I think Rod Goldberg is going to be just astonishing in this show.

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Yeah.

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There's just, there's just like a deafness to the characterisation that just wasn't there in TNG.

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And it wasn't what it was about, really, you know?

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I also think too, that generally speaking, the dialogue in Kurtzman trek is streets ahead of the dialogue in most of Berman trek.

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And so having these people speak more naturally, having them talk like people and say things that are revealing of character and stuff like that rather than sort of barking technobabble at each other.

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I think it's a great improvement.

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I'll quote a scene from Bourbon Trek.

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And the ego want to execute my son.

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I will not allow that to happen, Jean-Luc.

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We need to talk.

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Oh, I do.

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Okay, now massive DS9 apologies.

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And I do think as DSI goes along, they learn how to script those characters really, really well.

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But they're so distinct characters.

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The dialogue's almost like self-perpetuating by the end because the characters are so well defined.

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But in like Voyager and Enterprise, it's a struggle at times.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, well, what do you think?

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I think we should watch it.

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I think we probably should as well.

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We've talked it all through already, but...

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Oh no, I don't think I'll run out.

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All right.

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So I'm queued up.

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Let's count in 5, 4, 3, 2, one, and we're off.

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I would like to point out immediately.

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Yeah, that this episode is 58 minutes long.

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Would you like to stand a length for a Star Trek episode?

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No, no.

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And obviously we've said this before because this is streamed rather than broadcast, it can be as long as we like.

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Oh, I would like to say, even though I do criticise the ball scenes for being intermined to be boring and they are, the actual ball cube that they build, in episode one, when they come out of it and it's got all these layers and things, it looks astonishing.

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It looks great. doesn't it?

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So, Soji, for goodness sake, she's so good.

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And we didn't really talk about her before as a regular.

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No, do you know what?

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What really surprised me about the 1st episode was I had forgotten that her sister was killed in the 1st episode.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I thought that was the character.

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So when I rewatched the 1st episode, I was shocked all over.

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And it was that she had a sister.

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But I really like this whole artificial intelligence angle.

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And the fact that it's been banned and the fact that it makes data a very important character without even really appearing, um, and she is just, they've cast her. brilliantly.

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Yeah, she's very engaging to watch.

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Well, also, remember that data is different from the other characters because of his skin and eye colour, which are sort of racial characteristics.

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And so sometimes, particularly in say measure of a man, there's a kind of racial element to it.

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And having her with, you know, she's got these striking green eyes, despite her overall look, which I think kind of sells that too.

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Now, he's a great scene. kicks offs.

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Now, look, this is one of my issues with this episode.

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Just doing nasty things again.

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I'm not so keen on this.

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What's the woman's name?

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The head of staff Commodores?

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Commodore O. With her black sunglasses.

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What's that all about?

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She's scary as hell, I think.

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The performance is really good.

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Yeah, I don't know.

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And then she makes her swallow this pill and chew it.

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And it was all a bit tortuous and a bit nasty.

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So every episode of Picard just about seems to start with a, with a, um, flashback like this, and so this is a flashback to what, midway through the season, like sometime between episode one and two, uh, this is happening.

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And we've had the mystery of why Agnes kills Bruce Maddox, we've mentioned Measure of a Man, and Bruce Maddox is the character, if not the actor from that.

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And I'd forgotten that he died as well.

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So you're a bloody assassination list.

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Yeah, that's right.

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But she works with him.

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Wasn't she in love with him?

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Yeah, but he's disappeared.

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Remember, he disappears.

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Um, they decide that it must be, um, I think we discover that this episode.

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He's gone for 15 years because of the synth ban and he's gone to this other planet in order to continue his research into producing synthetic life forms.

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So, was it the same actor?

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No, no.

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Oh, okay.

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Yeah.

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That's a shame.

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Actually, he was a bit wooden in measure of a man.

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So, yeah, I think that's a superb episode. excellent.

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Yeah.

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But Agnes is so good here.

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Like, she's sort of frightened.

231
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This.

232
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Holy shit.

233
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Yeah, so here we go.

234
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So we saw this previously or maybe we see it later.

235
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I can't remember.

236
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There is a flashback where we discover that, oh, and um, Larissa, so Narek's sister, I think she's called Larissa, are members of the Jart Vash, and that this flashback that Girati has just seen is the admonition.

237
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Yeah, that's her 1st vomit, vomit number one.

238
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Lovely.

239
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And so there is some terror thing.

240
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If we don't ban the synths, if we don't take this action, this is what it will lead to.

241
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Yeah, this is what it'll lead to.

242
00:16:10.919 --> 00:16:15.659
I actually think this is frightening and she sells the hell out of it.

243
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She's so good and the line.

244
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She's really good.

245
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But the weird thing about her is she's kind of been comic relief. up until the point where she murders Maddox.

246
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Yeah, yeah.

247
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And I think that's absolutely deliberate that they make us lie.

248
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Look at the look on her face as she's chewing it.

249
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The chewing line is so frightening because we know it's now not a tracking device that can be beamed out of her or extracted that it becomes a systemic thing.

250
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You know, it's it's all throughout the body.

251
00:16:46.919 --> 00:16:47.519
That's unpleasant.

252
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Terror watching. characters that I really like, like going through very unpleasant things.

253
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Like, I know that's drama and I get it.

254
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No, no, no, no.

255
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And like, yeah.

256
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And this is an episode where terrible things happen to Agnes, I think.

257
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I like how...

258
00:17:06.660 --> 00:17:07.259
I don't know.

259
00:17:07.319 --> 00:17:10.500
I do quite like the bit where she vomits up the red velvet cake and you're supposed to think it's glass.

260
00:17:10.559 --> 00:17:11.579
That's really funny.

261
00:17:11.700 --> 00:17:17.160
Do you know, I was really not keen on the design of this shit, right?

262
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When I 1st watched it, I really love it now.

263
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It's so different from, you know, that fucking tedious bridge set of Next Generation.

264
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I think that you get a real sense of it as a space in a way that you don't ever, even though we spend 7 years on the Enterprise D. Oh here we go.

265
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Like, do you remember when I said to you, like, I thought the technology and next generation, all those lights on the consoles were like, yeah, the most sophisticated technology I could think of?

266
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Now it's all like, um, like projection in the air. and they've taken they've just taken it to sort of the modern day and it's very cool.

267
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I love it.

268
00:17:53.160 --> 00:17:53.880
That's really good.

269
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So she's called Larissa.

270
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She English.

271
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She's an English Romulan.

272
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We have an Irish Romulan as a semi-regular on this show as well.

273
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She's especially memorable.

274
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I think she's fucking terrifying and particularly in this scene.

275
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She's so great.

276
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So she's questioning Hugh about where Picard has gone and Picard has travelled to Nepenthe, you know, 10, you know, 1000s of light years away or whatever, using technology that was denied to Voyager in the episode Prime Factors.

277
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Pride Factors is a very good episode, alright?

278
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But we discover that they've been assimilated and I hope that arsehole in Prime Factors with a weird accent was one of them and got turned into a...

279
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He is so bloody creepy, anyway.

280
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We're not giving you our sea crafts.

281
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You know, a strange man.

282
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Look at these visuals.

283
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Oh, and see, this is awful as well, isn't it?

284
00:18:56.700 --> 00:19:00.599
So she's killed all of the XPs and that's been what he's working on.

285
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And that is probably too much.

286
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You as well.

287
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He's just watched all these people get murdered in front of him and he's crying over the bar.

288
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I mean this is nasty.

289
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This is not nice.

290
00:19:11.160 --> 00:19:12.599
Yeah, I think this is nasty.

291
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And you're right.

292
00:19:13.799 --> 00:19:17.700
I think they're absolutely leaning into that sort of Game of Thrones shock factor.

293
00:19:17.759 --> 00:19:20.460
And occasionally it does work very well.

294
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Yeah.

295
00:19:21.420 --> 00:19:25.440
Like the bit where she kills Maddox, that is genuinely shocking.

296
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Like no one I didn't see that coming.

297
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No, you know.

298
00:19:28.559 --> 00:19:30.660
But afterwards, I was just like, why did they do that?

299
00:19:30.720 --> 00:19:32.400
Yeah, yeah.

300
00:19:32.460 --> 00:19:40.380
But, I mean, in a sense, you know, um, She's Narissa, not Larissa.

301
00:19:40.440 --> 00:19:43.079
In a sense, you know, they're right.

302
00:19:43.140 --> 00:19:44.700
The Jart Vars are right.

303
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Aren't they?

304
00:19:46.619 --> 00:19:51.720
So they, uh, opposed to synthetic life.

305
00:19:51.779 --> 00:20:02.279
That's why they killed Darj, and that's why they used Soji to try and find the home planet because...

306
00:20:02.279 --> 00:20:05.039
Oh, when we go to that planet, they genuinely are planning.

307
00:20:05.099 --> 00:20:06.779
Some kind of an uprising.

308
00:20:06.839 --> 00:20:07.440
I make...

309
00:20:07.500 --> 00:20:15.119
No, what happens is that when synths reach a certain level, those big tentacles from another dimension come in and...

310
00:20:15.119 --> 00:20:19.440
Now we're in next generation territory.

311
00:20:19.500 --> 00:20:21.359
It looks so great though.

312
00:20:21.420 --> 00:20:25.980
I mean, those flowers look great, but it did take me back to FarPoint, and those jokes are coming up, you know?

313
00:20:26.039 --> 00:20:28.319
Oh my god, this ball cube looks so good.

314
00:20:28.440 --> 00:20:30.299
Yeah, yeah, doesn't it?

315
00:20:30.359 --> 00:20:38.400
But like this scene, we are still considerable way into this episode and we haven't actually seen Picard or Soji yet.

316
00:20:38.460 --> 00:20:44.579
And well, it's like you said before, though, like, if you've got a cast of characters that you enjoy being with.

317
00:20:44.640 --> 00:20:48.599
Like, you know, I'm not really enjoying the nastiness of the beginning of this episode.

318
00:20:48.660 --> 00:20:50.940
I do like being with these characters, you know?

319
00:20:51.000 --> 00:20:52.619
It's fun to watch.

320
00:20:52.680 --> 00:20:56.220
Pretty, pretty, Elanor. gosh he's so gorgeous.

321
00:20:56.279 --> 00:20:58.019
Honestly.

322
00:20:58.079 --> 00:20:59.220
His eyebrows are a bit extreme.

323
00:20:59.279 --> 00:21:00.900
Well, he's a Romulan.

324
00:21:00.960 --> 00:21:01.500
It's a thing.

325
00:21:02.579 --> 00:21:04.140
I'm sorry.

326
00:21:04.200 --> 00:21:06.119
I swear, God, I saw him in the hobby, you know.

327
00:21:06.180 --> 00:21:08.339
He looks like he has stepped straight out of a Tolkien movie.

328
00:21:08.400 --> 00:21:09.480
Yeah, it's wonderful.

329
00:21:09.539 --> 00:21:26.460
Um, he, he, I think his parent, um, Mari, like, um, uh, he has such a striking look and he's so pretty and really funny and I adore the fact that they let him do his Australian accent.

330
00:21:26.519 --> 00:21:27.599
I just think that's great.

331
00:21:27.779 --> 00:21:29.640
Well, do you know what?

332
00:21:29.700 --> 00:21:38.700
I really like Rios because he's the one character who's just like a nice bloke and you know what I mean?

333
00:21:38.759 --> 00:21:45.420
And like, like, uh, Raffi, she was a drunk and lost her career and 0 god, what's her name again?

334
00:21:45.480 --> 00:21:46.259
The blonde one I like.

335
00:21:46.319 --> 00:21:51.960
Agnes. thank you very much You know, she goes through this whole thing of assassinating the person that she loves.

336
00:21:52.079 --> 00:21:57.359
Whereas Rios is just, he's a bit of a bad boy, but he's actually a very nice.

337
00:21:57.420 --> 00:22:03.660
We do get a backstory about why he leaves Starfleet and it's pretty grim.

338
00:22:03.720 --> 00:22:04.980
There he is.

339
00:22:05.039 --> 00:22:08.880
Santiago Cabrera plays um plays Trios.

340
00:22:08.940 --> 00:22:11.759
Oh my god, how late is this title sequence coming 10 minutes in?

341
00:22:11.819 --> 00:22:12.420
Yeah.

342
00:22:12.480 --> 00:22:14.039
It's really long too.

343
00:22:14.099 --> 00:22:15.180
But what do you think?

344
00:22:15.240 --> 00:22:18.000
This title sequence, which is...

345
00:22:18.000 --> 00:22:20.460
I was so uncertain when I 1st watched it.

346
00:22:20.519 --> 00:22:21.420
Now I love it.

347
00:22:21.480 --> 00:22:23.220
Yeah, I think it's beautiful.

348
00:22:23.279 --> 00:22:29.759
I mean, in a sense, it is a trip through the things that make Picard who he is.

349
00:22:29.819 --> 00:22:37.680
I'm not sure what the dodecahedrons are, but whatever. unearthed in an amateur archeological expedition perhaps.

350
00:22:38.759 --> 00:22:43.019
But it's beautiful and the music is stunning.

351
00:22:43.079 --> 00:22:51.000
And, you know, like, I do agree with you about music in Kurtzman Trek, and especially the title music in Kurtzman Trek. always very good.

352
00:22:51.119 --> 00:22:52.559
I'm just wondering.

353
00:22:52.680 --> 00:22:56.339
But this is this is just there's something, I don't know, it's slower.

354
00:22:56.579 --> 00:23:00.299
It's very, the images are just very beautiful.

355
00:23:00.359 --> 00:23:01.319
Yeah.

356
00:23:01.619 --> 00:23:09.299
But it's sort of fragments of these things that go to make up who Picard is and that's what it is.

357
00:23:09.299 --> 00:23:12.660
And then, I've got to say this, Nathan, God, he looks old.

358
00:23:12.720 --> 00:23:15.539
Yeah, really old.

359
00:23:15.779 --> 00:23:19.319
I've said you a 1000000 times, I would not criticise someone for ageing.

360
00:23:19.619 --> 00:23:25.619
They have announced that Picard is only going to 3 years and I can probably see why, you know.

361
00:23:25.680 --> 00:23:27.539
Look, I think it's extraordinary.

362
00:23:27.599 --> 00:23:34.259
The fact, I wonder whether, oh, look at that shot with that rock arch, this is such a beautiful place here.

363
00:23:35.099 --> 00:23:37.980
But they really lean into his age as well.

364
00:23:38.039 --> 00:23:45.119
And like in this, in the 1st episode, and especially that scene where he talks to that horrible admiral, who tells him to fuck off.

365
00:23:45.779 --> 00:23:49.680
They're kind of leaning into the fact that he's past his best, aren't they?

366
00:23:49.740 --> 00:23:51.539
You know, and he's a bit of a relic.

367
00:23:51.599 --> 00:23:54.420
Yeah, he's a little bit frail in this episode.

368
00:23:54.480 --> 00:23:57.960
There's a scene where he's frailty is kind of a thing.

369
00:23:58.019 --> 00:23:59.160
It's it's good.

370
00:23:59.220 --> 00:24:00.180
I like that.

371
00:24:00.240 --> 00:24:11.519
The great thing about it is you've got this really old guy as the lead and sometimes this is the most dynamic Star Trek you've ever seen in your life.

372
00:24:11.579 --> 00:24:16.619
There's that sequence in episode one where the Tao Shiara trying to take out what's her name?

373
00:24:16.680 --> 00:24:17.519
Darsh.

374
00:24:18.359 --> 00:24:21.119
And he's basically just standing there because he can't do much.

375
00:24:21.180 --> 00:24:22.259
But bugger me.

376
00:24:22.319 --> 00:24:24.299
That sequence looks like it's sprung from the Matrix.

377
00:24:24.359 --> 00:24:25.680
So good.

378
00:24:25.740 --> 00:24:31.559
So this is Kestra and she is Kestra Troy Riker.

379
00:24:31.619 --> 00:24:32.519
Where's that name from?

380
00:24:32.579 --> 00:24:35.220
So it's from the episode Dark Page.

381
00:24:35.519 --> 00:24:41.339
And we did have a reference to tapestry just then with Picard's artificial heart as well.

382
00:24:43.140 --> 00:24:52.079
I think that that's actually never commented on, you know, if you know, you know, if you don't, it doesn't matter.

383
00:24:52.140 --> 00:24:54.420
But have a think about Kestra.

384
00:24:54.480 --> 00:25:01.619
So Castra was Deanna's sister, who Deanna didn't know about, and she drowned, right?

385
00:25:01.680 --> 00:25:05.220
In a terrible accident when Deanna was just a baby, I think.

386
00:25:05.339 --> 00:25:08.519
And it's a pitifully melodramatic episode.

387
00:25:08.579 --> 00:25:09.359
Yeah, yeah.

388
00:25:11.220 --> 00:25:21.539
So she reminds us of a tragedy in Deanna's family, if we recognise that name.

389
00:25:21.720 --> 00:25:27.839
Instantly, if you know it, but it kind of plants that seed and then when we find out what happened to her, is her brother.

390
00:25:27.900 --> 00:25:29.460
Yeah, her brother.

391
00:25:29.519 --> 00:25:51.720
So he would have been 18 a few weeks ago. an older brother who died of an illness and so what we've done is we've put these 2 characters, Riker and Troy into this show, which is much more character driven, much more focussed on people's backstories and stuff like that.

392
00:25:51.779 --> 00:25:54.960
Naturally, something dreadful had to happen to him, obviously.

393
00:25:55.019 --> 00:25:57.599
Because that's what life is like.

394
00:25:57.960 --> 00:26:00.059
No, I know.

395
00:26:00.119 --> 00:26:02.640
That's not really what we go to Star Trek for on the whole, is it?

396
00:26:02.700 --> 00:26:09.480
No, but you know, like Geordie loses his mom in series 7 or whatever and it's never mentioned again.

397
00:26:09.660 --> 00:26:13.740
What's great about this, though, is the whole tragedy thing.

398
00:26:13.799 --> 00:26:18.839
Oh my god, the sequence where Troy says to Picard, I'm not as brave as I used to be.

399
00:26:18.900 --> 00:26:20.940
Why if something happened to Kestra?

400
00:26:21.299 --> 00:26:23.220
I love his response.

401
00:26:23.279 --> 00:26:24.779
I'm not as brave as I used to be.

402
00:26:24.839 --> 00:26:28.799
And Picard says, that's because you've got why smart.

403
00:26:29.700 --> 00:26:30.180
Why is it?

404
00:26:30.240 --> 00:26:30.900
It's beautiful.

405
00:26:30.960 --> 00:26:35.039
Holy crap. dialogue is especially good in this episode.

406
00:26:35.099 --> 00:26:36.599
Yeah, yeah.

407
00:26:36.660 --> 00:26:37.019
Yep.

408
00:26:37.079 --> 00:26:47.759
Look, this is like the fact that Kestra and Soji. have a very nice relationship in this as well, because she says later on, I don't trust you and I don't trust, but she kind of does trust the kids.

409
00:26:48.119 --> 00:26:52.079
And my god, they found a kid actor who can act.

410
00:26:52.140 --> 00:26:53.039
He's really good.

411
00:26:53.099 --> 00:26:57.960
And he gets great lines as well, who also gets really good dialogue.

412
00:26:58.019 --> 00:27:00.000
It's so well done.

413
00:27:00.059 --> 00:27:01.019
It's so well done.

414
00:27:01.079 --> 00:27:02.880
Dude, what's the funniest bit?

415
00:27:02.940 --> 00:27:06.839
It's where Riker goes shields up.

416
00:27:06.839 --> 00:27:08.579
They all go up round the house.

417
00:27:11.039 --> 00:27:12.420
Good.

418
00:27:12.480 --> 00:27:12.900
Right.

419
00:27:13.740 --> 00:27:18.660
You can only imagine that everyone watching this have heard, this is what people wanted.

420
00:27:18.720 --> 00:27:23.099
Like they absolutely wanted to see a reunion between the, like, the TNG crew.

421
00:27:23.160 --> 00:27:30.180
But I think that the show by that point has established that it isn't just wasted.

422
00:27:30.240 --> 00:27:32.099
They wasted to actually seven.

423
00:27:35.160 --> 00:27:38.519
And then she sort of holds out her arms, doesn't she?

424
00:27:38.579 --> 00:27:39.839
And she's like, come give me a...

425
00:27:40.200 --> 00:27:42.539
But no, no, but remember.

426
00:27:42.599 --> 00:27:44.160
In TNG all good things.

427
00:27:44.220 --> 00:27:47.220
Oh, look at her smile. look at her smile.

428
00:27:47.279 --> 00:27:51.900
The most intimate she could, like they could have, was him coming to a poker match.

429
00:27:51.960 --> 00:27:53.279
Look how far we've come.

430
00:27:53.400 --> 00:27:54.480
Yeah, yeah.

431
00:27:54.539 --> 00:27:56.160
Oh, look.

432
00:27:56.220 --> 00:27:58.200
I mean, it's so warm.

433
00:27:58.259 --> 00:27:59.160
It's so beautiful.

434
00:27:59.220 --> 00:28:01.440
I love Marina.

435
00:28:01.500 --> 00:28:02.700
I just love her so much.

436
00:28:02.759 --> 00:28:04.140
She's so superb.

437
00:28:04.859 --> 00:28:12.660
When I say this, this could have been like just the actors, reuniting and they could, and they lean to a bit.

438
00:28:12.779 --> 00:28:14.400
This is Troy and Picard.

439
00:28:14.460 --> 00:28:16.799
This isn't Marina Syrtis and Patrick Stewart.

440
00:28:16.859 --> 00:28:21.420
Like, they are being... her touching his face.

441
00:28:21.480 --> 00:28:23.220
I know. beautiful.

442
00:28:23.279 --> 00:28:25.079
It's so beautiful.

443
00:28:25.980 --> 00:28:28.200
Yeah, just the warmth.

444
00:28:28.200 --> 00:28:33.059
You kind of, you feel the weight of the relationship, don't you?

445
00:28:33.180 --> 00:28:38.640
But we never had that warmth in Star Trek, the Next Generation, or anything like that between...

446
00:28:38.759 --> 00:28:43.380
But it doesn't feel like it's a lie to their characters, you know?

447
00:28:43.440 --> 00:28:46.740
Well, they've been part of our lives for so long.

448
00:28:46.799 --> 00:28:53.880
I mean, I was watching this as it aired, not this, Picard, obviously, I was watching that as it aired, but I was watching Next Jan as it aired.

449
00:28:53.940 --> 00:29:02.940
And so these people have been part of my life for such a long time and just seeing them back and seeing them together and just the, those decades, you know.

450
00:29:03.000 --> 00:29:04.619
It's so Virginia.

451
00:29:04.680 --> 00:29:05.940
Stop yelling.

452
00:29:06.000 --> 00:29:07.140
Oh yeah.

453
00:29:07.140 --> 00:29:08.400
He's great.

454
00:29:08.519 --> 00:29:12.359
I mean, I feel like sometimes he says freaks, right?

455
00:29:12.420 --> 00:29:15.059
I think it is freaks, but I think that's good.

456
00:29:15.119 --> 00:29:20.579
Just the way Marina, you know, Troy is Marina. let's lean into that Nathan is making a lovely pizza.

457
00:29:20.640 --> 00:29:22.920
Oh, when she said a pizza he makes.

458
00:29:22.980 --> 00:29:25.140
Look how small Picard is.

459
00:29:25.440 --> 00:29:28.920
Look how small he is compared to Riker. amazing.

460
00:29:29.039 --> 00:29:29.880
Do you know what?

461
00:29:29.940 --> 00:29:33.480
does kind of make me feel like we lost out a little bit?

462
00:29:33.539 --> 00:29:38.640
Because one of the things I really love about DS9 is the intimacy between the characters and how they're all very tactile with each other.

463
00:29:38.700 --> 00:29:39.960
Yeah, yeah.

464
00:29:39.960 --> 00:29:42.900
And we could have had that in TNG a lot more.

465
00:29:42.960 --> 00:29:45.119
But I mean, it was never about that.

466
00:29:45.180 --> 00:29:47.339
It's the space problems issue, isn't it?

467
00:29:47.400 --> 00:29:50.940
I don't know, maybe because they weren't this reward slap.

468
00:29:51.000 --> 00:29:52.920
Yeah, and they're working.

469
00:29:52.980 --> 00:30:00.960
They're colleagues, you know, Whereas this, you know, they've retired, they're old friends.

470
00:30:01.859 --> 00:30:05.460
So you want to be arse deep in Romulans for the rest of your life.

471
00:30:05.519 --> 00:30:07.740
And so that's great.

472
00:30:07.799 --> 00:30:12.000
And we actually see the Romulan home world breaking up in the opening credits.

473
00:30:12.059 --> 00:30:13.559
That must be what that is.

474
00:30:13.619 --> 00:30:20.220
And Picard knows that the right thing to do, even though they're enemies.

475
00:30:20.279 --> 00:30:30.720
Uh, you know, even though they're enemies is, is um, to save them. you know, but we won't do it because we're too scared.

476
00:30:30.779 --> 00:30:34.019
The whole Riker and Troy relationship as well, right?

477
00:30:34.079 --> 00:30:35.220
It's like so annoying.

478
00:30:35.279 --> 00:30:37.619
They kept them apart for 7 fucking seasons.

479
00:30:37.980 --> 00:30:43.799
And then only paid it off in the movies just for that one scene where they got married in, was it Nemesis?

480
00:30:43.859 --> 00:30:46.200
right at the end right at the end of their rum.

481
00:30:46.259 --> 00:30:47.880
Yeah, ain't it great soon, is it?

482
00:30:48.359 --> 00:30:52.319
There's something very off about Picard in that scene, you know, go back and watch it.

483
00:30:52.380 --> 00:30:53.279
He seems really pissed.

484
00:30:54.000 --> 00:31:04.799
So what about the fact that when normally Deanna, when she's called on the bridge, you know, do you send something and she goes, oh, I can't sense anything from him?

485
00:31:04.799 --> 00:31:11.940
Or she senses something that was readily apparent to all of us at home just by looking at the actor's facial expression or whatever?

486
00:31:12.000 --> 00:31:19.619
He or she can't sense anything, but she is able to comment on like properly on Soji's body language and stuff like that.

487
00:31:19.680 --> 00:31:26.160
You know, she's properly competent in a way that she's rarely allowed to be in next generation.

488
00:31:26.220 --> 00:31:29.940
You know, we haven't talked about a house or the location either.

489
00:31:30.000 --> 00:31:31.140
It's just perfect, isn't it?

490
00:31:31.200 --> 00:31:34.619
So this is a log cabin on the Paramount lot.

491
00:31:34.740 --> 00:31:37.559
Um, yeah, yeah.

492
00:31:37.619 --> 00:31:39.779
But the location...

493
00:31:39.779 --> 00:31:40.980
You never would be able to tell that.

494
00:31:41.039 --> 00:31:43.259
Oh, you mean the interior?

495
00:31:43.319 --> 00:31:52.799
No, I think the house, the interior is the house, but this is a house that Paramount owns that they've built and it is used in other things as well.

496
00:31:52.859 --> 00:31:54.359
Okay.

497
00:31:54.420 --> 00:31:57.839
I don't know, I just, I love, it's so rustic.

498
00:31:57.900 --> 00:31:59.759
I mean, this is what I'd like to hear for.

499
00:31:59.819 --> 00:32:07.140
Remember where, um, um, Kirk retires too in generations.

500
00:32:07.200 --> 00:32:08.339
It's that sort of feel.

501
00:32:08.400 --> 00:32:10.079
I try not to, but yeah.

502
00:32:10.079 --> 00:32:11.099
It's not good, is it?

503
00:32:12.480 --> 00:32:14.759
Do you have spit?

504
00:32:14.819 --> 00:32:16.559
A mucus.

505
00:32:16.619 --> 00:32:17.279
What about this?

506
00:32:17.339 --> 00:32:24.299
There's a wonderful line here that references 3 next generation episodes in one sentence without being crap.

507
00:32:24.359 --> 00:32:25.859
Which free, are they?

508
00:32:25.920 --> 00:32:37.740
So it hasn't happened yet, but Kestra and Soji are currently talking about data and Kestra's interrogating Soji about, you know, how human she is.

509
00:32:37.799 --> 00:32:42.720
Like when Bashir asks data if his hair grows.

510
00:32:46.259 --> 00:33:06.420
And it's wonderful, they seem because Soji is in a situation where her childhood she discovers has been fabricated, and so are her memories, and she's standing in front of a wall that's full of pictures that Kestra has drawn, and possibly that Thad has drawn, which are all childhood memories.

511
00:33:06.480 --> 00:33:08.579
You know, it's it's all about that.

512
00:33:08.640 --> 00:33:09.599
It's so well done.

513
00:33:09.660 --> 00:33:13.980
Yeah, all he wanted to do was have dreams and tell jokes and learn how to ballroom.

514
00:33:14.039 --> 00:33:14.819
Oh, it does.

515
00:33:14.880 --> 00:33:17.039
They just...

516
00:33:17.099 --> 00:33:20.160
The outrageous O'Connor.

517
00:33:20.220 --> 00:33:21.599
Fry part one.

518
00:33:21.720 --> 00:33:23.700
It's that 2 parter on DSI, isn't it?

519
00:33:23.759 --> 00:33:24.359
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

520
00:33:24.420 --> 00:33:25.740
That's terrific.

521
00:33:25.799 --> 00:33:27.299
Yeah, isn't it good?

522
00:33:27.359 --> 00:33:28.440
It's so good.

523
00:33:28.500 --> 00:33:32.700
I actually think the callbacks on Picard are a lot subtler.

524
00:33:32.759 --> 00:33:35.039
I quite like how they do it in Picard.

525
00:33:35.160 --> 00:33:40.140
Yeah, they're kind of far more invested in the world they're trying to build.

526
00:33:40.200 --> 00:33:43.079
It's probably the most original, actually, of all of them.

527
00:33:43.380 --> 00:33:46.019
Yeah, I think that's probably...

528
00:33:46.019 --> 00:33:47.819
Maybe Discovery skips into the future.

529
00:33:47.880 --> 00:33:50.579
Yeah, that is pretty damn inventive.

530
00:33:50.640 --> 00:33:55.559
That's a that is very a strange reinvention of Starfleet, which I think is really good.

531
00:33:55.619 --> 00:33:57.900
But this scene is great.

532
00:33:57.960 --> 00:34:00.420
And the child actor does such a good job.

533
00:34:00.480 --> 00:34:01.920
She's really, really good.

534
00:34:02.039 --> 00:34:03.660
Absolutely, you should believe it.

535
00:34:03.660 --> 00:34:04.259
That's her daughter.

536
00:34:04.319 --> 00:34:05.400
Look at this.

537
00:34:05.460 --> 00:34:05.880
Look at this.

538
00:34:05.940 --> 00:34:13.500
So this is Deanna going into Thad's room where Picard's going to have a nap and she has to steal herself before she does it.

539
00:34:13.559 --> 00:34:17.340
And when does she get to do that kind of acting on Star Trek?

540
00:34:17.460 --> 00:34:26.219
I mean, do you remember that dreadful episode of The Child where she literally has a baby in a day who grows up in a day and then dies in the day?

541
00:34:26.280 --> 00:34:30.480
And then the next week, we're doing the outrageous fucking O'Connor or something like that.

542
00:34:30.539 --> 00:34:31.920
Gotten all about it.

543
00:34:31.980 --> 00:34:34.619
Finally, you know, emotional consequences.

544
00:34:34.679 --> 00:34:35.460
Yeah.

545
00:34:35.519 --> 00:34:36.360
Look at that.

546
00:34:36.360 --> 00:34:38.579
So this is out playing that, you know?

547
00:34:38.639 --> 00:34:39.360
That's right.

548
00:34:39.420 --> 00:34:39.960
That's right.

549
00:34:40.079 --> 00:34:42.780
And that, look at that.

550
00:34:42.840 --> 00:34:47.579
There's such reality to this, the old friends meeting after decades.

551
00:34:47.639 --> 00:34:49.860
It really properly.

552
00:34:49.980 --> 00:34:51.539
Look at the picture of Picard and the baby.

553
00:34:51.599 --> 00:34:53.639
No, it's adorable, isn't it?

554
00:34:53.639 --> 00:34:54.780
Proud grandfather.

555
00:34:54.900 --> 00:34:57.539
Oh, we're fine really.

556
00:34:57.599 --> 00:35:01.980
Oh Yeah it's really sad.

557
00:35:02.099 --> 00:35:03.420
Oh, do you know what, Nathan?

558
00:35:03.420 --> 00:35:08.760
The more I'm watching this, the more I'm seeing missed opportunities and no 7 seasons.

559
00:35:08.820 --> 00:35:09.960
But look.

560
00:35:10.619 --> 00:35:20.880
Like when Picard says that it must be a different ache for you, is it is it watching Kestra slowly forget Thad that's heartbreaking for her?

561
00:35:20.940 --> 00:35:24.599
Or you can watch Kestra go through that grief.

562
00:35:24.719 --> 00:35:27.960
You can see the pain in Marina Those's face that.

563
00:35:28.019 --> 00:35:30.719
There are tears in her eyes the whole time she's talking.

564
00:35:30.840 --> 00:35:31.559
Yeah.

565
00:35:32.159 --> 00:35:35.460
I can only imagine what she thought when she got this script.

566
00:35:35.519 --> 00:35:36.719
She must have been like, yes.

567
00:35:36.780 --> 00:35:38.039
Yeah, yeah.

568
00:35:38.099 --> 00:35:40.320
No, do you want to do this thing?

569
00:35:40.380 --> 00:35:42.960
I would have done it anyway, but yes, definitely, you know.

570
00:35:43.019 --> 00:35:43.380
Yeah.

571
00:35:43.440 --> 00:35:45.960
Well, I mean she was always happy to come back, wasn't she?

572
00:35:46.019 --> 00:35:46.980
She's wonderful.

573
00:35:47.039 --> 00:35:48.360
Oh my goodness.

574
00:35:48.539 --> 00:35:56.039
But like, you know, think of the last time we saw Picard and Troy together in descent part two.

575
00:35:56.099 --> 00:36:00.059
Like, it's nowhere near on this level, was it?

576
00:36:00.119 --> 00:36:05.820
It was nowhere near a sophisticated, written, acted, you know, characterised.

577
00:36:05.880 --> 00:36:06.300
Yeah.

578
00:36:06.360 --> 00:36:09.659
I actually am coming to the conclusion.

579
00:36:09.719 --> 00:36:11.460
I've probably watched in preparation for this.

580
00:36:11.519 --> 00:36:13.260
I probably watched half of the series.

581
00:36:13.440 --> 00:36:16.260
And I think that this is properly good.

582
00:36:16.320 --> 00:36:22.139
And I do think that it's not without its problems, but I think this is a good show.

583
00:36:22.199 --> 00:36:23.460
Yeah, yeah.

584
00:36:23.519 --> 00:36:25.019
I love the cast.

585
00:36:25.079 --> 00:36:25.739
I love the ship.

586
00:36:25.800 --> 00:36:27.539
I think it's smartly written.

587
00:36:27.780 --> 00:36:30.719
I think interesting things are happening.

588
00:36:30.840 --> 00:36:33.599
I don't think that every element works.

589
00:36:33.659 --> 00:36:38.940
But, you know, I think this bit, this B plot works really well.

590
00:36:39.000 --> 00:36:49.559
So they're being pursued by Narek, who is able to track them because of the, um, the pill that Agnes ate in the flashback just now.

591
00:36:49.619 --> 00:37:08.340
Um, And Agnes is kind of losing her shit because she knows, and again, it's all in the acting, we're not told, but she's aware that the reason that Narek is able to track them is because of the traces she took.

592
00:37:08.760 --> 00:37:13.320
I, I, I, disagree to an extent.

593
00:37:13.380 --> 00:37:17.820
I think, because the Kurtzman trait that I struggle with the most.

594
00:37:17.880 --> 00:37:18.780
Right.

595
00:37:18.780 --> 00:37:27.420
Um, and I think it's because my preference is kind of uh, one off episodes rather than uh, uh, a longer arc.

596
00:37:27.480 --> 00:37:37.079
And I do think occasionally it portrays that kind of trek ideal of of being optimistic and sometimes it is income.

597
00:37:37.139 --> 00:37:39.179
There's one episode and I know you like it.

598
00:37:39.900 --> 00:37:43.380
Stardust, City, Rag, or something.

599
00:37:43.440 --> 00:37:43.920
Yeah.

600
00:37:43.920 --> 00:37:44.460
Yeah.

601
00:37:44.519 --> 00:37:47.099
And it's just nasty as hell.

602
00:37:47.099 --> 00:37:50.820
And it's, it's, it just doesn't feel like Star Trek at all.

603
00:37:50.880 --> 00:37:59.460
I think they get somewhere good in the 1st series. and I think it has great individual moments and I think this is a very strong episode.

604
00:37:59.519 --> 00:38:00.420
Yeah.

605
00:38:00.420 --> 00:38:04.260
But I do have a lot of problems with Sirius one.

606
00:38:04.320 --> 00:38:04.800
I do.

607
00:38:04.860 --> 00:38:09.360
Well, I think that there are longer, so I think it does have pacing issues.

608
00:38:09.420 --> 00:38:15.599
But watching it through the 2nd time, it was a lot clearer what everything was trying to do.

609
00:38:16.019 --> 00:38:20.519
Whereas, the 1st time it's like a... in the face.

610
00:38:20.579 --> 00:38:21.539
Yeah, yeah.

611
00:38:21.599 --> 00:38:26.280
And the 2nd time you can just sort of lean into what they're trying to do.

612
00:38:26.340 --> 00:38:28.380
And how well they're doing it at times.

613
00:38:28.440 --> 00:38:29.880
I will maintain.

614
00:38:29.940 --> 00:38:31.500
I think that 1st episode is very strong.

615
00:38:31.619 --> 00:38:35.639
I think too, though, even though it is dark, it's fun as well.

616
00:38:35.699 --> 00:38:44.880
Like it doesn't forget to have fun and most episodes have, like, I think this bit of the plot, even though this is super dark.

617
00:38:44.940 --> 00:38:55.199
Um, You know, Agnes has betrayed them, has been kind of convinced to betray them, and is fully aware of that now.

618
00:38:55.260 --> 00:38:56.639
Is it cake?

619
00:38:57.119 --> 00:38:58.860
I'm sorry.

620
00:38:58.920 --> 00:39:02.159
In this moment, she is me.

621
00:39:02.219 --> 00:39:06.900
Because this would be my reaction to any stressing situation, to go and get a red of a cake.

622
00:39:06.960 --> 00:39:08.099
That is so adorable.

623
00:39:08.159 --> 00:39:10.679
It's such a, like a little childish thing.

624
00:39:10.739 --> 00:39:16.739
I thought Raffi was offering her drugs because I'm pretty sure she's vaping marijuana in that thing.

625
00:39:16.860 --> 00:39:19.380
And I think that that's intentional.

626
00:39:19.679 --> 00:39:22.559
Oh, this, and just as seen as well.

627
00:39:22.619 --> 00:39:31.079
Do you remember in next gen, how you'd have dialogue scenes and yeah, your favourite, where you'd have 2 people facing the camera, or it would just be so stagey.

628
00:39:31.139 --> 00:39:33.900
Like he's making a pizza throughout this entire scene.

629
00:39:34.019 --> 00:39:37.500
It's something kind of realistic that you would do whilst having a conversation.

630
00:39:37.559 --> 00:39:40.860
But I also think as well.

631
00:39:40.920 --> 00:39:47.400
The dialogue tends to be super awkward on Star Trek when it's not sort of techno babble.

632
00:39:47.460 --> 00:39:51.360
Like anytime where they're trying to interact with one another never quite comes off.

633
00:39:51.420 --> 00:39:57.539
And I think partly it's the acting, but I also think it's just the lack of kind of naturalism in the dialogue.

634
00:39:57.659 --> 00:40:00.059
They're trying to be people from the future.

635
00:40:00.119 --> 00:40:01.739
Whereas this...

636
00:40:01.739 --> 00:40:02.159
You know what?

637
00:40:02.159 --> 00:40:02.940
I've got to say something.

638
00:40:02.940 --> 00:40:04.619
You know I'm going to say something.

639
00:40:04.679 --> 00:40:05.340
I'm not going to say it.

640
00:40:05.400 --> 00:40:06.659
I can't say it too many.

641
00:40:06.719 --> 00:40:08.519
I do think they get there.

642
00:40:08.579 --> 00:40:09.480
They do get there.

643
00:40:09.539 --> 00:40:10.500
I think they do.

644
00:40:10.559 --> 00:40:12.000
I think I think they do as well.

645
00:40:12.300 --> 00:40:19.500
But even this stuff, the Vavine thing, you know, like it's so, it's, you know, kids do invent languages.

646
00:40:19.739 --> 00:40:21.780
It is a thing that happens.

647
00:40:21.840 --> 00:40:22.800
Why did that?

648
00:40:22.800 --> 00:40:30.179
You know that thing where you, uh, like you would be, A for Nay, where you take off the 1st...

649
00:40:30.239 --> 00:40:30.420
Yeah.

650
00:40:32.639 --> 00:40:35.159
I've like, oh, yay.

651
00:40:40.019 --> 00:40:54.599
And I love this reaction where Soji drops that Kestra said that her dad said that Picard was the greatest captain ever and Picard smiles and looks over at him.

652
00:40:54.659 --> 00:40:55.320
It's wonderful.

653
00:40:55.800 --> 00:40:57.780
Speaking of drinking.

654
00:40:57.780 --> 00:40:59.340
I think episode is, I think it's episode two.

655
00:40:59.400 --> 00:41:07.920
It might be episode one. where they find the sign that's Captain Picard. reaction when all the kids were making.

656
00:41:07.980 --> 00:41:08.760
Oh, wonderful.

657
00:41:08.760 --> 00:41:11.460
They do have Captain Freeman Day on lower decks.

658
00:41:11.519 --> 00:41:14.039
Oh, no, no, no.

659
00:41:14.039 --> 00:41:15.659
It's marvellous.

660
00:41:15.719 --> 00:41:17.099
And you know what?

661
00:41:17.159 --> 00:41:22.079
Like, like, this is, for me, you know, I've complained about nostalgia, Kazmine Trait, but they do it a bit too bad.

662
00:41:22.199 --> 00:41:24.780
This is just, this was needed.

663
00:41:24.840 --> 00:41:25.619
Yeah.

664
00:41:25.679 --> 00:41:31.619
Well, in fact, so this episode is called Nepenthe, and Nepenthe is a, is from a Greek word.

665
00:41:31.679 --> 00:41:33.780
It's actually mentioned in the Odyssey.

666
00:41:33.840 --> 00:41:36.539
You know anything about Greek, Nathan?

667
00:41:36.599 --> 00:41:37.559
A little bit.

668
00:41:37.920 --> 00:41:44.579
And it's related etymologically to the word pathos, pathos.

669
00:41:44.760 --> 00:41:47.039
But it means pain.

670
00:41:47.099 --> 00:41:50.940
Like strong negative emotions, pain or suffering.

671
00:41:51.000 --> 00:41:53.159
No, it means removal of that.

672
00:41:53.219 --> 00:41:54.239
Forgetfulness.

673
00:41:54.360 --> 00:41:59.280
It's a drug. that is given that allows you to forget your pain.

674
00:41:59.340 --> 00:42:10.019
And that's what this is, that he just gets to hang out with his friends and have pizza and chat and experience their love.

675
00:42:10.019 --> 00:42:12.719
This shouldn't be what Star Trek is about at all.

676
00:42:12.780 --> 00:42:15.659
It's supposed to be going off and explore, but this is like the best of the season.

677
00:42:15.719 --> 00:42:16.800
They're just hanging out.

678
00:42:16.860 --> 00:42:18.420
He's making a pizza.

679
00:42:18.480 --> 00:42:20.159
It's wonderful.

680
00:42:20.639 --> 00:42:24.659
It is wonderful, but it's not just vamping.

681
00:42:24.719 --> 00:42:27.480
It's not just spinning, it's weird.

682
00:42:27.539 --> 00:42:28.980
Well, soji's there as well, isn't it?

683
00:42:29.039 --> 00:42:30.420
Well, that's right.

684
00:42:30.480 --> 00:42:34.500
So it's about Soji learning to, because it's not just Picard.

685
00:42:34.559 --> 00:42:37.380
It's not just for Picard that this is Nepenthe.

686
00:42:37.440 --> 00:42:39.059
It's for Soji as well.

687
00:42:39.119 --> 00:42:41.940
But we love these people, don't we?

688
00:42:42.000 --> 00:42:44.099
So when we just want to be with them, you know?

689
00:42:44.159 --> 00:42:46.619
we want to be with them when they're written this well as well.

690
00:42:46.679 --> 00:42:47.400
Yeah, yeah.

691
00:42:47.400 --> 00:42:49.260
Oh, I love this machine of tomato.

692
00:42:49.320 --> 00:42:51.179
It's beautiful, is it?

693
00:42:51.239 --> 00:42:52.199
How does she eat food though?

694
00:42:52.260 --> 00:42:53.099
She's a sim.

695
00:42:53.159 --> 00:42:57.179
Oh, you know, like Bruce Maddox is very careful, very clever.

696
00:42:57.239 --> 00:43:00.840
Mucus, bile, gastric juices.

697
00:43:00.900 --> 00:43:02.639
She digest it and excrete it as well.

698
00:43:02.699 --> 00:43:03.239
I think so.

699
00:43:03.300 --> 00:43:13.199
I think she would have noticed in the last 3 years if she was taking a crap. specifically going to mention that, but yeah.

700
00:43:13.920 --> 00:43:16.860
Gosh, Marina say it looks so gorgeous.

701
00:43:16.920 --> 00:43:17.400
Yeah.

702
00:43:17.400 --> 00:43:18.480
You know what?

703
00:43:18.539 --> 00:43:22.980
Well, we very, very rarely in Berber trip would get this much location work in an episode as well.

704
00:43:23.039 --> 00:43:24.239
No, that's right.

705
00:43:24.300 --> 00:43:24.840
Yeah.

706
00:43:24.900 --> 00:43:27.000
And there's a lot of location work.

707
00:43:27.059 --> 00:43:35.820
Like the only set we've had so far as the Borg cube and um, The TV has come along quite a bit in the last 20 years, isn't it?

708
00:43:35.880 --> 00:43:36.239
Yeah.

709
00:43:37.139 --> 00:43:40.019
The mind witches of the sudden eyes.

710
00:43:40.079 --> 00:43:42.119
I know, it's beautiful, isn't it?

711
00:43:42.659 --> 00:43:45.119
How many?

712
00:43:45.119 --> 00:43:46.679
11 languages.

713
00:43:46.739 --> 00:43:49.260
They must have never known what the bloody hell we were talking about.

714
00:43:49.320 --> 00:43:51.119
The butterflies.

715
00:43:51.179 --> 00:43:53.880
But look, look how she's, she's smiling.

716
00:43:54.179 --> 00:43:57.840
You know, she's starting to thaw.

717
00:43:57.900 --> 00:44:00.179
And it's...

718
00:44:00.179 --> 00:44:06.420
There are sort of space reasons for her thinking that this isn't real because her childhood's not real.

719
00:44:06.480 --> 00:44:07.380
It's all fake.

720
00:44:07.440 --> 00:44:14.400
And we've seen people put in holodecks and simulations and strung up to machines and all of that.

721
00:44:14.460 --> 00:44:19.260
And so it's not unreasonable for her to think this isn't real either.

722
00:44:19.320 --> 00:44:21.000
She's got nothing.

723
00:44:21.179 --> 00:44:23.699
And she's just been betrayed by Narek.

724
00:44:23.760 --> 00:44:26.039
Oh, this bit too.

725
00:44:26.400 --> 00:44:30.000
So Thad dies of a curable disease.

726
00:44:31.139 --> 00:44:32.340
As a result of the...

727
00:44:32.340 --> 00:44:35.159
Because electronic brains were available, they would have been able to cure it.

728
00:44:35.219 --> 00:44:38.940
So that ties again into the arc of the synths being banned.

729
00:44:39.000 --> 00:44:40.380
That's right.

730
00:44:40.440 --> 00:44:41.099
That's clever.

731
00:44:41.159 --> 00:44:47.159
It's very clever The cost, you know, just the personal cost to them.

732
00:44:47.219 --> 00:44:53.400
And I do think that that, you know, Dr. Ben there, you know, she can bring people back from the dead.

733
00:44:53.460 --> 00:44:55.980
I really want her to be in season 12.

734
00:44:56.340 --> 00:44:57.659
Season 2 of this.

735
00:44:57.719 --> 00:44:58.920
I would actually, do you know what?

736
00:44:58.980 --> 00:45:04.019
I was a bit predictable, but I would love for her and Picard to speak together by the end.

737
00:45:04.079 --> 00:45:05.460
That would be...

738
00:45:05.519 --> 00:45:08.039
Oh, because we know they do get together in all good things, they say.

739
00:45:08.099 --> 00:45:12.780
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's true. after the 7 seasons of next year, of course.

740
00:45:12.840 --> 00:45:13.739
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

741
00:45:13.800 --> 00:45:15.719
Heaven forbid they had any character development.

742
00:45:15.780 --> 00:45:17.099
No, exactly.

743
00:45:17.159 --> 00:45:18.119
They do it in...

744
00:45:18.179 --> 00:45:20.340
Well, it's like, um...

745
00:45:20.400 --> 00:45:21.059
But you know what this is?

746
00:45:21.119 --> 00:45:24.119
This is 7 seasons of courage development within a single episode.

747
00:45:24.780 --> 00:45:26.820
It's madness.

748
00:45:26.940 --> 00:45:28.739
I mean, this is so good.

749
00:45:28.800 --> 00:45:35.820
This is a sort of exposition scene in a sense because, you know, if you didn't tune in last week, here's what just happened to her.

750
00:45:35.880 --> 00:45:59.460
But the way the actor, you know, the way that she plays it, how real it feels, and look at that, Deanna reaches out to touch her, but super tentatively, it's so nice, and she's starting to warm, because it's Deanna, because Deanna is good at this, in a way that we don't run away. does she run away?

751
00:45:59.519 --> 00:46:04.019
From here, from this conversation. from the house later on.

752
00:46:04.679 --> 00:46:06.360
No, no.

753
00:46:06.420 --> 00:46:07.739
Doesn't she?

754
00:46:07.800 --> 00:46:09.059
No, no, no, no.

755
00:46:09.119 --> 00:46:15.059
She goes off when when Riker and and Picard come in.

756
00:46:15.119 --> 00:46:19.139
So she does run off, but she doesn't run away from the house or anything.

757
00:46:19.199 --> 00:46:24.480
And it is, she doesn't want to let herself, that's the thing.

758
00:46:24.539 --> 00:46:30.059
She doesn't want to let herself let her guard down, let herself be okay about this.

759
00:46:30.179 --> 00:46:42.719
And then Picard comes in and is a bit of a prick, you know, like he comes in and says, oh, yes, of course, this is a simulation and stuff, and it's absolutely the opposite of what he needs to hear, she needs to hear.

760
00:46:42.780 --> 00:46:46.079
And this bit, that's a bit where Picard's frail and vulnerable.

761
00:46:46.139 --> 00:46:49.980
She just walks past and brushes into him and he stumbled.

762
00:46:50.039 --> 00:46:53.820
I mean, they shouldn't pretend that he's a virile man.

763
00:46:53.880 --> 00:46:55.739
I think it's that's good.

764
00:46:55.800 --> 00:46:57.000
That is good.

765
00:46:57.119 --> 00:47:01.320
You know, there's a story about Marina Sertis, I have to tell you, which I really, really love.

766
00:47:01.380 --> 00:47:04.440
And it's about her relationship with her mother.

767
00:47:04.440 --> 00:47:11.099
And she is openly says, you know, it was a tough relationship.

768
00:47:11.099 --> 00:47:20.280
And basically no matter what she did work wise, it was never enough for her mother and her mother came down hard on her when she took on the role in the next gin.

769
00:47:20.340 --> 00:47:22.920
You know, like it was an embarrassment.

770
00:47:22.980 --> 00:47:29.760
And essentially, she, um, emancipated, like she, she just broke free of her mother.

771
00:47:29.820 --> 00:47:33.179
And, you know, at this point in her career.

772
00:47:33.239 --> 00:47:37.500
I mean, she is absolutely ridden away with success for this show, hasn't she?

773
00:47:37.559 --> 00:47:38.519
Star Trek.

774
00:47:39.360 --> 00:47:43.260
And I'm not sure what's happening with her mother now, but...

775
00:47:43.260 --> 00:47:44.820
She's probably no longer with us.

776
00:47:44.880 --> 00:47:47.219
I'm saying she should be very proud.

777
00:47:47.280 --> 00:47:51.840
She's, you know, she's stuck it out in a pretty thankless role for 7 years.

778
00:47:51.900 --> 00:47:52.800
Yeah, yeah.

779
00:47:52.860 --> 00:48:04.440
But I mean, this scene too, where she tells him off, where she just says, that was stupid, you know, coming in and saying that was stupid and was exactly the wrong thing to say, and you deserved that.

780
00:48:04.500 --> 00:48:07.139
And she had a few moments like that.

781
00:48:07.199 --> 00:48:11.579
And the next generation where she would contradict Picard or she would kind of go for him.

782
00:48:11.639 --> 00:48:14.159
It was nowhere near as definitely real as this.

783
00:48:14.219 --> 00:48:15.480
No that's right.

784
00:48:16.019 --> 00:48:17.760
Look at her.

785
00:48:17.820 --> 00:48:19.500
That's how you, Jean Luke.

786
00:48:19.559 --> 00:48:23.039
Pretend there are dinner table.

787
00:48:23.039 --> 00:48:25.559
They should have said the observation lounge, though, I think.

788
00:48:27.059 --> 00:48:30.179
We'll find a way forward together, she says.

789
00:48:30.239 --> 00:48:31.019
Yeah.

790
00:48:31.019 --> 00:48:33.539
Oh, yeah, I mean, that's Kurtzman Trek as well.

791
00:48:33.599 --> 00:48:34.679
That's what that's about.

792
00:48:34.739 --> 00:48:36.480
I've just forgotten.

793
00:48:36.539 --> 00:48:38.400
He comes along at the end, doesn't he?

794
00:48:38.460 --> 00:48:38.820
Riker?

795
00:48:39.179 --> 00:48:40.860
Yes.

796
00:48:40.920 --> 00:48:43.019
In the last episode in a ship, in the middle of the battle.

797
00:48:43.559 --> 00:48:49.980
There was a black screen, then, and I thought things had gone horribly wrong, but it was just the ad break.

798
00:48:50.039 --> 00:48:53.639
We have known to have the old technical issue.

799
00:48:53.699 --> 00:49:03.719
So here's Eleanor and Hugh again and Hugh is obviously heartbroken because of all of his XBs were killed in that sort of really rough scene before the opening credits.

800
00:49:03.780 --> 00:49:07.500
And now they're going to escape and here's Narissa.

801
00:49:07.559 --> 00:49:15.780
I've got a question about this, about the nature of this series being like a condensed arc with different chapters.

802
00:49:15.900 --> 00:49:20.159
Like, do you think this excludes the casual viewer that's just going to dip in and out?

803
00:49:20.219 --> 00:49:22.980
Yeah, I think it's not intended for that at all.

804
00:49:23.039 --> 00:49:31.619
And because it's streamed, you could wait and binge it, he just said choose to live in Romulan.

805
00:49:31.619 --> 00:49:32.699
Did you see that?

806
00:49:32.760 --> 00:49:39.659
And that's what the um, Kawat Malat say to one another before attacking, say to you before they attack you.

807
00:49:39.719 --> 00:49:43.800
And there was a discovery episode just recently called choose to live.

808
00:49:43.920 --> 00:49:48.360
So that's what the Romulan truth nuns say before they attack you.

809
00:49:48.420 --> 00:49:50.400
Nathan, this is rather our thing.

810
00:49:50.460 --> 00:49:52.980
But have you noticed how dramatic the lighting is in this scene?

811
00:49:53.039 --> 00:49:54.300
It's so good.

812
00:49:54.360 --> 00:49:55.679
So good.

813
00:49:55.739 --> 00:50:00.480
I mean, there's no reason why they can't just have a 1000 fucking bulbs in a ball cube to light up the whole thing.

814
00:50:00.539 --> 00:50:02.940
But it's far more dramatic this way.

815
00:50:03.000 --> 00:50:09.300
Uh, just, just kill him, Elanor, you sweet boy.

816
00:50:09.900 --> 00:50:12.239
Oh, she's so good.

817
00:50:12.300 --> 00:50:15.480
I think she is a really terrific villain, actually.

818
00:50:15.539 --> 00:50:16.559
I'm a big fan.

819
00:50:16.619 --> 00:50:19.019
I tend to like it when there's a female villain, they.

820
00:50:19.139 --> 00:50:19.920
Yeah, yeah.

821
00:50:19.980 --> 00:50:20.820
She's awesome.

822
00:50:21.840 --> 00:50:28.139
I'm not sold on Elnor's series 2 hair, I have to say, in the trailer.

823
00:50:28.199 --> 00:50:30.539
If you watch the trailer, you, you couldn't find him in it.

824
00:50:30.599 --> 00:50:31.559
Is that because his hair was different?

825
00:50:31.619 --> 00:50:37.019
Yeah, well, no, no, no, but he has much worse hair and I love this long kind of legolass hair.

826
00:50:37.079 --> 00:50:37.920
Oh, here there's Hugh.

827
00:50:37.980 --> 00:50:39.119
Why what have they done to his hair?

828
00:50:39.179 --> 00:50:41.820
It's sort of a bit more, it's shorter and a bit curlier.

829
00:50:41.880 --> 00:50:42.960
I've gotta be honest.

830
00:50:43.019 --> 00:50:44.340
That 2nd season looks really fun.

831
00:50:44.400 --> 00:50:45.539
Yeah, definitely.

832
00:50:45.539 --> 00:50:46.800
That is great.

833
00:50:46.860 --> 00:50:55.980
That was so good where he pulls the knife out of Hugh's neck and just flings it straight at Narissa, who only escapes by beaming out in time.

834
00:50:56.039 --> 00:51:04.920
I think killing Hugh is a mistake and it's, we'll get killing Echeb next week.

835
00:51:05.039 --> 00:51:07.320
No, no, no, the week after.

836
00:51:07.380 --> 00:51:09.059
Oh, has it already happened?

837
00:51:09.119 --> 00:51:12.840
Because 7... next week. female villains.

838
00:51:12.900 --> 00:51:15.059
Do you remember that female villain in the Stardust episode?

839
00:51:15.119 --> 00:51:18.840
who looked very like Counsellor Troy back in the next generation.

840
00:51:19.139 --> 00:51:24.179
And she and there was this implication that she'd been, oh, fucking with 7 and 9.

841
00:51:24.239 --> 00:51:26.039
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

842
00:51:26.159 --> 00:51:27.420
She was amazingly camp.

843
00:51:27.480 --> 00:51:27.780
It was one.

844
00:51:27.840 --> 00:51:30.300
It was like Ardra from that TNG episode coming.

845
00:51:30.360 --> 00:51:31.019
All right.

846
00:51:31.079 --> 00:51:31.860
Here's the cake scene.

847
00:51:31.920 --> 00:51:32.820
Oh, look at that.

848
00:51:32.880 --> 00:51:34.739
That's what gas make, that is.

849
00:51:34.800 --> 00:51:38.940
I love how the replicators do the 3D printer special effect now.

850
00:51:39.059 --> 00:51:44.699
You know, like the, you know, our technology's advanced and so it doesn't just...

851
00:51:44.760 --> 00:51:46.619
People aren't going to be vaping in the future, you know?

852
00:51:46.679 --> 00:51:48.119
She's vaping weed.

853
00:51:48.179 --> 00:51:50.579
That feels like a very contemporary touch.

854
00:51:50.639 --> 00:51:52.199
Well, he's smoking a cigar.

855
00:51:52.260 --> 00:51:52.860
I like it.

856
00:51:52.980 --> 00:51:54.659
I think it should be contemporary.

857
00:51:54.719 --> 00:51:57.420
You know, I don't I don't think this is the future.

858
00:51:57.480 --> 00:52:02.159
This is a TV show that took place last year and I think it needs to be contemporary.

859
00:52:02.219 --> 00:52:06.059
Part of the problem with NextGen was that it was never contemporary.

860
00:52:06.179 --> 00:52:07.920
I like that, though.

861
00:52:07.980 --> 00:52:10.679
I like that you could vanish off into that into the future.

862
00:52:10.800 --> 00:52:12.539
Or that it makes the future.

863
00:52:12.599 --> 00:52:14.159
It makes the character seem less real.

864
00:52:14.219 --> 00:52:16.920
Well, and it's dated the whole thing terribly now as well.

865
00:52:16.980 --> 00:52:17.579
Yeah, yeah.

866
00:52:17.639 --> 00:52:20.579
Oh, this line, a good person.

867
00:52:20.639 --> 00:52:22.380
I not a good person in an emergency.

868
00:52:22.440 --> 00:52:24.599
I could slap together a good person.

869
00:52:24.719 --> 00:52:29.039
And it's such a clever line and look at her reaction.

870
00:52:29.099 --> 00:52:30.960
How I felt most days, you know.

871
00:52:31.019 --> 00:52:32.880
Oh, so good.

872
00:52:32.940 --> 00:52:34.619
And she goes, is it Chris?

873
00:52:34.679 --> 00:52:36.840
I just can't watch people vomit in.

874
00:52:36.900 --> 00:52:37.320
I'm sorry.

875
00:52:37.380 --> 00:52:38.699
I know it's coming.

876
00:52:39.179 --> 00:52:43.440
I love her hair, you know, Raffi.

877
00:52:43.500 --> 00:52:46.199
Oh, yeah, yeah. with the braids.

878
00:52:46.260 --> 00:52:47.039
Yeah.

879
00:52:47.039 --> 00:52:48.059
Yeah.

880
00:52:48.119 --> 00:52:51.000
But is it, are you sad because you boned Chris?

881
00:52:51.059 --> 00:52:52.980
Because you boned Rios.

882
00:52:53.039 --> 00:52:54.599
It kind of like are you kidding me?

883
00:52:55.199 --> 00:52:57.539
Oh my word.

884
00:52:57.599 --> 00:52:59.519
Are you saying you wouldn't go up to her?

885
00:52:59.940 --> 00:53:01.380
Oh my god, look at him.

886
00:53:01.440 --> 00:53:02.820
Although, I don't know.

887
00:53:02.880 --> 00:53:03.599
I think the English one.

888
00:53:03.659 --> 00:53:04.980
The English accent, yes.

889
00:53:05.039 --> 00:53:06.239
The EMH.

890
00:53:06.300 --> 00:53:09.659
Well, each of the holograms has a different accent.

891
00:53:09.719 --> 00:53:11.280
So the emergency.

892
00:53:11.280 --> 00:53:11.820
Is he English?

893
00:53:11.880 --> 00:53:12.900
Was he American?

894
00:53:12.960 --> 00:53:14.400
I think he's American.

895
00:53:14.460 --> 00:53:16.139
That a good English accent.

896
00:53:16.199 --> 00:53:17.760
Yeah, he does a good English accent.

897
00:53:17.820 --> 00:53:30.840
So the bunny corn, which we saw, we actually saw the bunny, and it is, I think, a reference to the dog from original Trek, because it's a bunny, but it has a horn in the middle.

898
00:53:30.900 --> 00:53:33.539
And that's why they're called bunny corns.

899
00:53:33.599 --> 00:53:35.579
All I can remember is George Decay.

900
00:53:35.579 --> 00:53:38.219
Trying to wrestle that very unimpressed form.

901
00:53:38.280 --> 00:53:40.559
Poor dog. so happy about it.

902
00:53:40.619 --> 00:53:41.760
Have you noticed?

903
00:53:41.880 --> 00:53:43.320
He only gave more one slice of pizza.

904
00:53:43.380 --> 00:53:47.400
Yeah, that seems like that's just not enough.

905
00:53:47.460 --> 00:53:49.679
Ah, he's wood burn it.

906
00:53:49.739 --> 00:53:51.179
He's done it in a wood burning oven.

907
00:53:51.239 --> 00:53:52.320
Oh, it's the best.

908
00:53:52.320 --> 00:53:59.460
So Tyken's Rift is a reference to a shitty next generation episode.

909
00:53:59.519 --> 00:54:00.780
I can't remember which one.

910
00:54:01.559 --> 00:54:04.559
Oh, it's it's Night Terrace.

911
00:54:05.340 --> 00:54:06.780
No.

912
00:54:06.780 --> 00:54:07.619
It is.

913
00:54:07.679 --> 00:54:09.480
It's a reference to night terrace.

914
00:54:09.539 --> 00:54:11.880
Eyes in the dark.

915
00:54:11.940 --> 00:54:13.500
One minute, okay.

916
00:54:14.340 --> 00:54:16.380
It's so good.

917
00:54:16.440 --> 00:54:16.980
Do you know what?

918
00:54:17.039 --> 00:54:18.840
Look at how well this is lit with all the candles.

919
00:54:18.900 --> 00:54:21.000
And I keep going on about the lighting, but isn't it?

920
00:54:21.780 --> 00:54:25.320
Well, Star Trek the Next Generation has very flat studio lighting.

921
00:54:25.380 --> 00:54:27.360
Well, we talked about that bit as well.

922
00:54:27.420 --> 00:54:28.260
Yeah, yeah.

923
00:54:28.320 --> 00:54:33.420
But they're lighting a lot from within the set rather than...

924
00:54:33.420 --> 00:54:34.559
Yeah, practical lights.

925
00:54:34.619 --> 00:54:34.800
Yeah.

926
00:54:34.860 --> 00:54:51.599
I love this moment too, where she has told Narek this information, and then Picard asks about it, and she looks kind of stricken because if this is a simulation or a torture thing to try and get information out of her.

927
00:54:51.659 --> 00:54:53.579
That's the information she has.

928
00:54:53.579 --> 00:54:56.400
And then Picard backs off immediately.

929
00:54:56.400 --> 00:55:07.860
And instead talks about the experience he had meeting Darge and a little bit more about what happened to Darge.

930
00:55:07.920 --> 00:55:10.139
Dodge, a very pretty boyfriend.

931
00:55:10.199 --> 00:55:13.079
He was very pretty, he died very quickly, though, unfortunately.

932
00:55:13.139 --> 00:55:15.659
That was a shocking knife across the room.

933
00:55:15.659 --> 00:55:16.800
Straight into the wall.

934
00:55:17.400 --> 00:55:20.219
I'm going to be a little bit facetious for a second.

935
00:55:20.280 --> 00:55:24.300
But like we've talked about how dreadful Star Trek romance can be, right?

936
00:55:24.360 --> 00:55:32.519
And, and, you know, things like Wharf and Troy kissing and, oh, God, you know, Jane Way and her holographic dildo and all this.

937
00:55:32.579 --> 00:55:35.400
Oh, it's all, it's just not a very sexy show.

938
00:55:35.460 --> 00:55:37.019
It's not very sexy.

939
00:55:37.079 --> 00:55:43.320
Well, I'm telling you now, those scenes between Soji and the English guy with the beard, the Romulan.

940
00:55:43.380 --> 00:55:44.460
Anyway.

941
00:55:44.519 --> 00:55:45.420
Really hot.

942
00:55:45.480 --> 00:55:47.340
Like it's the hottest Star Trek's ever been.

943
00:55:47.519 --> 00:55:49.860
Yeah, I do it.

944
00:55:49.920 --> 00:55:51.119
Yeah, they can.

945
00:55:51.179 --> 00:55:55.320
Well, actually, no, Burnham and what's his name?

946
00:55:56.340 --> 00:55:57.840
Book.

947
00:55:57.840 --> 00:55:58.679
Book.

948
00:55:58.739 --> 00:55:59.820
Oh, that's hard as well.

949
00:55:59.880 --> 00:56:01.559
They're a hot couple.

950
00:56:01.619 --> 00:56:02.699
Yeah, he's gorgeous.

951
00:56:02.760 --> 00:56:04.139
Her and Ash were pretty hot as well.

952
00:56:04.199 --> 00:56:05.159
I really liked Ash.

953
00:56:05.219 --> 00:56:06.719
I thought he was a very handsome man.

954
00:56:07.019 --> 00:56:08.639
Yeah, yeah.

955
00:56:08.639 --> 00:56:12.239
Chase this up to it back to Star Trek things, quick.

956
00:56:12.300 --> 00:56:15.420
No, but I mean, the fact that Star Trek has brought sex back.

957
00:56:15.480 --> 00:56:16.320
I think is good.

958
00:56:16.380 --> 00:56:19.260
You know, it's super prudish otherwise.

959
00:56:19.320 --> 00:56:23.820
Well, it was all a bit weird in the 90s, riser and all of that.

960
00:56:23.880 --> 00:56:25.559
Oh, yeah, they were...

961
00:56:25.619 --> 00:56:31.559
Well, and, you know, like, um, Roddenbury was a big horn bag and sometimes that came...

962
00:56:31.559 --> 00:56:42.539
I was, I was above all that, nonsense, because there was that senior way of the warrior, where you've got Dax and Kira sitting there in leotards in the trill spa and I'm like, I love that with the hot men.

963
00:56:42.599 --> 00:56:48.360
Well, yeah, I mean, I mean, they all look gorgeous, but it's terribly exposed to the whole thing.

964
00:56:48.420 --> 00:56:49.559
I don't mind that.

965
00:56:50.460 --> 00:56:52.739
You just want to visit that spot.

966
00:56:52.800 --> 00:56:54.179
Yeah, absolutely.

967
00:56:54.239 --> 00:56:55.440
So here it is.

968
00:56:55.440 --> 00:56:57.239
I want to visit Riker and Troy and have a pizza.

969
00:56:57.300 --> 00:56:58.199
I do too.

970
00:56:58.260 --> 00:56:59.760
Never thought I'd say that, you know.

971
00:56:59.820 --> 00:57:00.659
Yeah, yeah.

972
00:57:00.719 --> 00:57:03.840
So, so this is her.

973
00:57:03.900 --> 00:57:04.860
She's opened up.

974
00:57:04.920 --> 00:57:12.059
She's explained about the lightning and the moons, like what she told Narek in the previous episode.

975
00:57:13.079 --> 00:57:14.099
What is that?

976
00:57:14.159 --> 00:57:15.059
I can't remember.

977
00:57:15.119 --> 00:57:17.219
Is that is that the location of the synth planet?

978
00:57:17.280 --> 00:57:18.000
Yeah, yeah.

979
00:57:18.059 --> 00:57:18.480
Yeah.

980
00:57:19.139 --> 00:57:19.739
So, Derek now?

981
00:57:19.800 --> 00:57:20.820
That was hilarious.

982
00:57:20.880 --> 00:57:24.480
That is the closest this gets to next gen. telling you.

983
00:57:24.539 --> 00:57:26.099
It's wonderful. like it.

984
00:57:26.159 --> 00:57:27.900
It's a dreadful old next gen planet.

985
00:57:27.960 --> 00:57:28.860
A bit like descent.

986
00:57:28.920 --> 00:57:31.500
No, it's like, it's like insurrection.

987
00:57:31.800 --> 00:57:33.840
But it's a location.

988
00:57:33.900 --> 00:57:35.280
It's beautifully realised.

989
00:57:35.340 --> 00:57:38.639
Anything about insurrections. you know, that's terrible, wasn't it?

990
00:57:38.699 --> 00:57:42.000
And that, that's so beautiful.

991
00:57:42.719 --> 00:57:50.639
Using the word that Thad used because Thad didn't have a homeworld because he grew up on...

992
00:57:50.639 --> 00:57:52.199
It's beautiful, isn't it?

993
00:57:52.260 --> 00:57:53.639
So well done.

994
00:57:54.360 --> 00:57:56.940
I'm sorry, I really want one of those candles.

995
00:57:57.000 --> 00:58:00.300
I'm being... and I love this too.

996
00:58:00.360 --> 00:58:03.599
So while they've been talking, we need to identify the planet.

997
00:58:03.659 --> 00:58:13.559
Kestra, who is a teenager or maybe a bit younger, has been on her phone under the table and actually...

998
00:58:13.619 --> 00:58:15.300
Yeah, this is where you got to go.

999
00:58:15.360 --> 00:58:16.440
But you know what?

1000
00:58:16.500 --> 00:58:17.159
Absolutely.

1001
00:58:17.219 --> 00:58:19.500
That's how children should be written as...

1002
00:58:19.559 --> 00:58:19.920
Yeah, yeah.

1003
00:58:19.980 --> 00:58:21.360
Yes.

1004
00:58:21.420 --> 00:58:31.199
As a school teacher, though, that seeing kids with their phone under the table, that's something that I can... with, yeah.

1005
00:58:31.500 --> 00:58:33.420
But in a way.

1006
00:58:35.219 --> 00:58:38.639
Captain Crandall, crazy old Captain Crandall.

1007
00:58:38.699 --> 00:58:47.219
So this, you know, like you said, it's we've kind of lent into nostalgia of being back with Ryker and Troy, but it's absolutely pushing the plot along.

1008
00:58:47.280 --> 00:58:48.539
Yeah, yeah, you know.

1009
00:58:48.599 --> 00:58:53.940
It's getting us from A to B. I ate a slice of a Borg cue.

1010
00:58:54.000 --> 00:58:59.340
You know, it wouldn't have been pointless to go see Riker and Troy, but it could have just been for the purpose of that, you know.

1011
00:58:59.400 --> 00:59:07.019
Yeah, but it was for healing Soji, for getting her to trust Picard and forgetting Picard to realise that he's doing the right thing.

1012
00:59:07.139 --> 00:59:14.880
And that's what I love about this episode is there is just a tone of like loveliness.

1013
00:59:14.940 --> 00:59:17.159
There's just a, it's just really lovely.

1014
00:59:17.219 --> 00:59:19.079
It's perfectly named.

1015
00:59:19.139 --> 00:59:21.420
Is a lot a lot of this isn't lovely.

1016
00:59:21.539 --> 00:59:22.679
That's what I'm saying.

1017
00:59:22.739 --> 00:59:24.000
But this just it's warm.

1018
00:59:24.059 --> 00:59:25.380
It's like a big hug this episode.

1019
00:59:25.440 --> 00:59:26.639
Yeah, yeah.

1020
00:59:26.699 --> 00:59:28.320
Look at Chris.

1021
00:59:29.820 --> 00:59:31.920
Look at that, man.

1022
00:59:31.980 --> 00:59:32.760
Holy crap.

1023
00:59:33.239 --> 00:59:35.760
Sorry, I was just watching.

1024
00:59:35.820 --> 00:59:41.519
We never had, you know, like we had attractive women, but the men were always a bit rough looking on 90s track.

1025
00:59:41.579 --> 00:59:42.119
Is that right?

1026
00:59:42.179 --> 00:59:43.679
Avery Brooks?

1027
00:59:43.739 --> 00:59:46.199
Yeah, Avery Avery's handsome.

1028
00:59:46.260 --> 00:59:48.960
You know, Julian's handsome in a sort of way.

1029
00:59:49.019 --> 00:59:50.340
Yeah, Julia's handsome.

1030
00:59:50.400 --> 00:59:52.440
But generally it's all a bit rough.

1031
00:59:52.500 --> 00:59:53.820
Navar Burton.

1032
00:59:53.880 --> 00:59:58.500
Yeah, LaVar Burton and maybe Garrett Wang. as well.

1033
00:59:58.559 --> 01:00:00.300
He's pretty handsome too.

1034
01:00:00.360 --> 01:00:01.559
I do have a finger for Asian band.

1035
01:00:01.559 --> 01:00:06.059
Not particularly, but certainly him.

1036
01:00:06.119 --> 01:00:06.480
Yeah.

1037
01:00:06.840 --> 01:00:12.119
But I think, well, we're in an age now where the cast is pretty, like battered given.

1038
01:00:12.179 --> 01:00:14.699
Yeah, yeah, yeah, actors are pretty, you know.

1039
01:00:14.760 --> 01:00:21.119
But yeah, they've done the bulbiest thing they could possibly do and they've put, you know, a much older man as the lead of this show.

1040
01:00:21.179 --> 01:00:32.699
Yeah, but I mean, it is that, I think I said it before, whatever plans they had, the moment they discovered that they could get Stuart back to do another series of Star Trek.

1041
01:00:32.760 --> 01:00:38.820
You drop your plans and you just do that and it turns out that that was the right decision.

1042
01:00:39.119 --> 01:00:40.739
What happened then?

1043
01:00:40.800 --> 01:00:41.519
Did he approach them?

1044
01:00:41.579 --> 01:00:42.360
I don't know.

1045
01:00:42.420 --> 01:00:43.860
No, I don't know.

1046
01:00:43.920 --> 01:00:46.320
I'm going to research that for next episode, right?

1047
01:00:46.920 --> 01:00:48.780
I love this.

1048
01:00:48.960 --> 01:00:55.739
Is she going for more slices of cake because there's exactly she's going to poison herself with uranium hydride.

1049
01:00:55.800 --> 01:01:04.079
And I was wondering how we would be told that this was dangerous or why the replicator letter replicated neurotoxin.

1050
01:01:04.320 --> 01:01:06.239
Can I say, Nathan?

1051
01:01:06.300 --> 01:01:11.400
The fact that you always get the names of these ships and technobabble and everything.

1052
01:01:11.460 --> 01:01:14.099
It's one of the horniest things about this podcast, I'm telling you.

1053
01:01:14.159 --> 01:01:17.219
I have to admit it was visible on the subtitles.

1054
01:01:17.280 --> 01:01:18.659
Okay, there it is.

1055
01:01:20.400 --> 01:01:22.920
This is so well acted too.

1056
01:01:22.980 --> 01:01:25.800
Like her reluctance...

1057
01:01:25.860 --> 01:01:32.820
Yeah, yeah, I don't know that she's trying to commit suicide necessarily, but she is trying to poison herself.

1058
01:01:32.820 --> 01:01:35.820
Oh, certainly not, you know, trying to send herself to sleep.

1059
01:01:35.880 --> 01:01:42.719
Yeah, yeah, she's trying to poison herself and then she's, does that count as a vomit, the foam coming out of her mouth?

1060
01:01:42.780 --> 01:01:43.559
Yes.

1061
01:01:43.619 --> 01:01:45.599
It's a 2.5 vomit.

1062
01:01:46.079 --> 01:01:49.199
We're literally right in her face right now.

1063
01:01:49.679 --> 01:01:52.079
What is the nature of your medical?

1064
01:01:52.139 --> 01:01:53.340
Oh, bloody hell.

1065
01:01:53.400 --> 01:01:54.420
Jesus Christ.

1066
01:01:54.719 --> 01:01:59.519
He's got the posh X. And they dress them all differently as well, which is quite nice.

1067
01:02:00.000 --> 01:02:04.079
My favourite is the one who's the pilot who only speaks Spanish.

1068
01:02:04.139 --> 01:02:05.400
She doesn't speak English.

1069
01:02:05.820 --> 01:02:09.480
I mean, that must be an incredibly fun role to play, right?

1070
01:02:09.539 --> 01:02:16.619
Yeah, and the fact that the engineering hologram has a crap Scottish accent as well, I think is adorable.

1071
01:02:16.860 --> 01:02:18.719
This fella here.

1072
01:02:18.780 --> 01:02:19.679
The one with a beer.

1073
01:02:19.739 --> 01:02:20.519
Does he die at the end?

1074
01:02:20.579 --> 01:02:21.179
I can't remember.

1075
01:02:21.239 --> 01:02:22.320
I can't remember either.

1076
01:02:22.679 --> 01:02:24.780
So there are 2 of him.

1077
01:02:24.840 --> 01:02:25.320
You know that.

1078
01:02:25.380 --> 01:02:27.300
He's too pretty, don't I?

1079
01:02:27.360 --> 01:02:29.940
There's Luke Treadaway and Harry tread it away.

1080
01:02:30.000 --> 01:02:33.539
So they're both actors, and so there's a backup, if anything happens to one of them.

1081
01:02:33.599 --> 01:02:35.039
Identical twins.

1082
01:02:35.099 --> 01:02:36.900
I think this is...

1083
01:02:36.960 --> 01:02:38.579
More possibilities than that, Nathan.

1084
01:02:38.639 --> 01:02:39.659
Yeah, yeah.

1085
01:02:39.719 --> 01:02:40.139
Yeah.

1086
01:02:40.199 --> 01:02:40.619
Yeah.

1087
01:02:40.679 --> 01:02:42.239
Look at him.

1088
01:02:42.780 --> 01:02:46.739
So Chris has started to suspect Raffi.

1089
01:02:46.800 --> 01:02:55.679
Because in a previous episode, Raffi went off to meet with her son, who is the guy from, is he in Love Victor?

1090
01:02:55.739 --> 01:02:56.880
I think he's in love, Victor.

1091
01:02:56.940 --> 01:03:07.079
Um, And then comes back and so he thinks she's been compromised, but obviously it's um, Agnes.

1092
01:03:07.139 --> 01:03:13.980
Was there a sequence where Rafi goes to see her son.

1093
01:03:14.039 --> 01:03:15.119
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1094
01:03:15.179 --> 01:03:18.480
That's what he was referring to. like that either.

1095
01:03:18.539 --> 01:03:22.800
That just felt pointlessly complicated and a bit horrid too.

1096
01:03:22.860 --> 01:03:29.400
Yeah, I think it was giving her a little bit of backstory beyond Starfleet.

1097
01:03:29.460 --> 01:03:38.519
But my issue was like a lot of it hit in a couple of episodes, like a lot of the nastier stuff hit in a couple of episodes, and it just felt very anti-trek.

1098
01:03:38.579 --> 01:03:45.000
And it's weird because when they go off at the end of the season in the ship, I'm just like, yes, we're off on an adventure now, we're going, you know.

1099
01:03:45.239 --> 01:03:47.820
They had to go through tough times to get there.

1100
01:03:49.440 --> 01:03:52.800
Oh my word, look how gorgeous that is.

1101
01:03:52.860 --> 01:03:55.440
The valley. wonderful, isn't it?

1102
01:03:55.500 --> 01:03:56.820
Oh, this is really silly.

1103
01:03:56.880 --> 01:03:59.159
This is the same with Riker and Picard.

1104
01:03:59.219 --> 01:04:02.099
Oh, no, no, wait. when they're sitting on the jetty, isn't it?

1105
01:04:02.159 --> 01:04:04.739
It's beautiful, that scene.

1106
01:04:04.800 --> 01:04:06.119
It is so beautiful.

1107
01:04:07.019 --> 01:04:11.820
I love the thing about how they all have baggage.

1108
01:04:11.880 --> 01:04:23.880
There's been nothing since nothing but drama since we left Earth's orbit and they all have baggage and that's because they're in a different type of TV show.

1109
01:04:23.940 --> 01:04:39.300
The reason that the, um, the next generation characters were only lightly sketched and basically didn't have much of a personality beyond the actor's performance and what they were good at doing is because that was Star Trek.

1110
01:04:39.360 --> 01:04:46.139
And these guys have now got a complicated backstory in baggage too, because of Thad's death.

1111
01:04:46.199 --> 01:04:48.719
And I just can't believe.

1112
01:04:48.780 --> 01:04:53.039
I can't believe how relaxed and light these scenes are.

1113
01:04:53.159 --> 01:04:56.760
Because they were just so like professional of each other.

1114
01:04:56.820 --> 01:04:58.380
Oh my God.

1115
01:04:58.440 --> 01:05:04.679
The camera is literally hovering over water right now as they're going to sit by the lake. beautiful.

1116
01:05:04.739 --> 01:05:08.219
And I will say this again and again.

1117
01:05:08.280 --> 01:05:15.179
I think this is the prettiest and the most visually memorable Star Trek series.

1118
01:05:15.239 --> 01:05:16.380
Yeah, it's amazing.

1119
01:05:16.440 --> 01:05:22.380
I did say Prodigy probably was even more, like, visually creative than this.

1120
01:05:22.440 --> 01:05:23.280
Yeah, yeah.

1121
01:05:23.340 --> 01:05:27.960
But as a live action trek, this is like top dollar in how it looks.

1122
01:05:28.079 --> 01:05:31.079
But look, he has his arm around him.

1123
01:05:31.739 --> 01:05:33.840
You just couldn't use it.

1124
01:05:33.840 --> 01:05:35.699
Imagine it.

1125
01:05:35.760 --> 01:05:43.800
And and also too, I think things are reversed a bit because of Picard's age and because he's a bit frail.

1126
01:05:43.860 --> 01:05:51.119
I actually think that, and you know, like Frakes is big and kind of physically imposing.

1127
01:05:51.119 --> 01:06:02.460
Like, there's a real gentleness here, but you have this feeling that, you know, you end up eventually you end up parenting your parents when they get old, right?

1128
01:06:02.519 --> 01:06:04.619
And I think that that's happening here.

1129
01:06:04.800 --> 01:06:12.840
You know, for all of the stuff about how pig, that smile, Jesus Christ, both of them.

1130
01:06:12.900 --> 01:06:13.739
Oh.

1131
01:06:13.739 --> 01:06:20.280
Because I mean, I think Freaks is a competent actor. whilst not being a spectacular one.

1132
01:06:20.340 --> 01:06:22.679
But he has a good deal of charm.

1133
01:06:22.739 --> 01:06:25.019
I think he has some charisma I think.

1134
01:06:25.079 --> 01:06:30.900
I mean, I'll say this now. my favourite, but the next gen, the chemistry between the cast.

1135
01:06:30.960 --> 01:06:33.659
That's that's peak.

1136
01:06:33.659 --> 01:06:35.639
Star Trek chemistry, you know?

1137
01:06:35.699 --> 01:06:40.079
They love working together and it just beams off of, you know, every scene that they do.

1138
01:06:40.320 --> 01:06:44.760
And especially here, it's like, my God, we got one more crack at the whip.

1139
01:06:44.820 --> 01:06:49.440
Let's go So here's another scene with Kestra and Soji.

1140
01:06:49.500 --> 01:06:51.239
And I think this is beautiful as well.

1141
01:06:51.300 --> 01:06:56.760
And, you know, they express how much they like one another.

1142
01:06:56.820 --> 01:07:00.719
And then Kestra, in a very uncomplicated way.

1143
01:07:03.780 --> 01:07:16.500
Because she's been through grief, because she had a terrible thing, you know, with her brother dying, and it, And just her saying you 2 could have each other.

1144
01:07:16.559 --> 01:07:22.139
You could trust Picard, and he could trust you, and you could support one another.

1145
01:07:22.199 --> 01:07:25.860
Yeah, I don't have Picard, but you could if you wanted to.

1146
01:07:25.920 --> 01:07:27.719
It's so good.

1147
01:07:27.780 --> 01:07:30.960
It's so warm. have a child character saying that.

1148
01:07:31.019 --> 01:07:32.400
Yeah, so mature.

1149
01:07:32.519 --> 01:07:42.179
Well, because she's been through grief and she knows that getting support from, you know, having people you love who support you through it is the only way through.

1150
01:07:42.239 --> 01:07:43.260
It's beautiful.

1151
01:07:43.320 --> 01:07:46.619
That actress as well. is right in her face.

1152
01:07:46.679 --> 01:07:47.820
Look at this shot.

1153
01:07:47.880 --> 01:07:48.719
They both kiss him.

1154
01:07:48.780 --> 01:07:51.300
That is the most beautiful shot of the episode.

1155
01:07:51.360 --> 01:07:53.039
That's the one I mentioned before.

1156
01:07:53.099 --> 01:07:54.360
It's on the website.

1157
01:07:54.480 --> 01:07:58.260
I screen captured for the for the website.

1158
01:07:58.320 --> 01:07:59.039
It's stunning.

1159
01:07:59.159 --> 01:08:00.900
And they're doing that thing.

1160
01:08:00.900 --> 01:08:02.099
They did an exchange, right?

1161
01:08:02.159 --> 01:08:03.780
Stand over there so you can beam out, right?

1162
01:08:05.940 --> 01:08:08.099
And the...

1163
01:08:08.099 --> 01:08:09.599
Oh, they're coming.

1164
01:08:09.659 --> 01:08:12.960
Oh, yeah. have to pretend it works.

1165
01:08:13.019 --> 01:08:16.199
Well, I mean, I like that as well.

1166
01:08:16.260 --> 01:08:20.520
You know, it doesn't work unless you make it work.

1167
01:08:20.579 --> 01:08:22.619
Ah, this gives you the feels, doesn't it?

1168
01:08:22.680 --> 01:08:24.060
It really does.

1169
01:08:24.119 --> 01:08:26.100
Look at the family.

1170
01:08:29.819 --> 01:08:35.039
Like if we never saw Riker and Troy again, this would be a perfect ending.

1171
01:08:35.100 --> 01:08:36.720
I think we shouldn't.

1172
01:08:36.779 --> 01:08:40.140
I don't I don't think we should...

1173
01:08:40.199 --> 01:08:42.180
We do, but I don't think we see this.

1174
01:08:42.239 --> 01:08:43.560
I don't want to see this again.

1175
01:08:43.680 --> 01:08:46.319
I think, you know, you just wanted to be happy here.

1176
01:08:46.380 --> 01:08:47.760
Yeah, yeah.

1177
01:08:47.819 --> 01:08:54.420
And this is a moment of Nepenthe, you know, that shot, that was our favourite shot.

1178
01:08:54.479 --> 01:09:00.539
I'm telling you now, all right, I'm going to make a prediction for series 3 of Star Trek Picard.

1179
01:09:00.600 --> 01:09:06.000
They're absolutely going to bring the whole next gen group by the end of series for it.

1180
01:09:06.060 --> 01:09:06.659
I'm telling you.

1181
01:09:06.720 --> 01:09:09.899
I'd love to see the bar back. no way they won't do that.

1182
01:09:10.439 --> 01:09:13.319
That was extraordinarily good.

1183
01:09:13.380 --> 01:09:14.640
Yeah, yeah.

1184
01:09:14.699 --> 01:09:15.300
Yeah.

1185
01:09:15.359 --> 01:09:21.720
I think I think a rewatch of Picard is in order and maybe some kind of reevaluation, I think.

1186
01:09:22.079 --> 01:09:29.100
Even if it's not doing the sort of thing. that you want Star Trek to do.

1187
01:09:29.159 --> 01:09:34.079
What I want Star Trek to do, I think, is things it hasn't done before.

1188
01:09:34.199 --> 01:09:36.000
And I think that this feels that.

1189
01:09:36.060 --> 01:09:49.319
I, you know, the reason why I lure DS9 so much is because we do hang out with those characters a lot in their home because it definitely feels like they're at the station.

1190
01:09:49.319 --> 01:09:52.800
So this is absolutely what I want Star Trek to do more.

1191
01:09:52.859 --> 01:09:54.119
Yeah, yeah.

1192
01:09:54.479 --> 01:09:58.739
But I, you know, I've said it a few times throughout this episode.

1193
01:09:58.859 --> 01:10:06.420
What this really highlights is what Nextchange wasn't doing, but just the potential that these characters had.

1194
01:10:06.539 --> 01:10:07.500
Yeah.

1195
01:10:07.560 --> 01:10:15.479
Yeah, and, you know, how they've maybe matured as actors or something because I think Deanna is great in that.

1196
01:10:15.539 --> 01:10:17.220
I think Riker is great.

1197
01:10:17.279 --> 01:10:27.000
And part of it is that they're allowed to bring themselves to the role more and they're in an identifiable place.

1198
01:10:27.119 --> 01:10:32.520
They're not in a studio on a studio sound stage surrounded by flashing lights.

1199
01:10:32.640 --> 01:10:33.539
They're in a home.

1200
01:10:33.600 --> 01:10:36.420
They're outside at a pizza oven.

1201
01:10:36.479 --> 01:10:48.420
If anyone was cynical about like this series being like a rehash of the next generation, which I kind of thought it was going to be when I 1st went in, and it definitely isn't that.

1202
01:10:48.479 --> 01:10:49.020
No.

1203
01:10:49.079 --> 01:10:53.460
Well, this episode proves that actually maybe that's not such a bad idea.

1204
01:10:53.640 --> 01:11:06.300
Yeah, although I think, I think there's a lot of Star Trek the Next Generation available for you to watch, if you want it, and what we don't need, I think, is more of it.

1205
01:11:06.359 --> 01:11:15.359
But what we get here, where we get to see a mature relationship between them and a loving relationship.

1206
01:11:15.359 --> 01:11:18.180
Rehash is the wrong word, isn't it?

1207
01:11:18.239 --> 01:11:19.199
like reinvention really.

1208
01:11:19.260 --> 01:11:20.159
Yeah.

1209
01:11:20.220 --> 01:11:31.380
I think it's beautiful and it is a little oasis in that series and it's deliberately intended to be that. and it is for both of them, both Picard and Soji.

1210
01:11:31.439 --> 01:11:37.560
Get a break from the terrible things that have been happening and then go off with renewed purpose.

1211
01:11:37.680 --> 01:11:40.020
And I think it's perfect.

1212
01:11:40.079 --> 01:11:48.359
I remember watching through this season and I, you know, I said to you, when I got halfway through, I was like, I don't know, this is for me.

1213
01:11:48.420 --> 01:11:54.840
And then this episode hit and I was just like, oh, yes. you know I breathed a sigh of relief.

1214
01:11:54.899 --> 01:11:57.180
It's it's fantastic.

1215
01:11:57.239 --> 01:12:00.300
And frankly, I'm really pleased we got it as the 1st one.

1216
01:12:04.319 --> 01:12:09.479
All right, it's time for us to choose our next episode.

1217
01:12:09.539 --> 01:12:16.500
So Joe is on untitled Star Trek project.com slash randomiser.

1218
01:12:16.979 --> 01:12:22.260
Joe. You haven't told me what you're going to pick from.

1219
01:12:22.560 --> 01:12:25.739
I'm going to be utterly predictable.

1220
01:12:25.800 --> 01:12:30.779
And I picked the animated series, the much neglected animated series.

1221
01:12:30.899 --> 01:12:31.380
No.

1222
01:12:31.439 --> 01:12:32.939
We'll get to that when we get.

1223
01:12:33.000 --> 01:12:36.180
Besisely, she's always nice to have one in the bank that we haven't done yet, you know?

1224
01:12:36.239 --> 01:12:39.420
So, you know, 70 episodes in.

1225
01:12:39.479 --> 01:12:41.760
We're like, ooh, and new shows talk about.

1226
01:12:42.119 --> 01:12:47.520
No, no, no, I'm ducking back into 90s trek. as before I do.

1227
01:12:47.579 --> 01:12:48.899
We just did an next generation.

1228
01:12:48.960 --> 01:12:52.920
So I've only selected DS9 and Voyager.

1229
01:12:52.979 --> 01:12:55.680
I just I just love talking about those shows.

1230
01:12:58.680 --> 01:13:01.140
So why don't you tell me when you're ready?

1231
01:13:01.260 --> 01:13:02.460
Okay, I'm ready.

1232
01:13:02.520 --> 01:13:03.359
I want you to press a button.

1233
01:13:03.420 --> 01:13:05.100
Okay, here we go.

1234
01:13:05.159 --> 01:13:06.600
Bye-bye, bum.

1235
01:13:07.680 --> 01:13:14.640
Okay, so this is Deep Space 9, season two, episode 25, Tribunal.

1236
01:13:14.699 --> 01:13:17.279
It's an O'Brien episode.

1237
01:13:17.340 --> 01:13:22.979
We can't possibly watch that one though, because that's the one where he gets his uniform torn off and you see his big hairy moves.

1238
01:13:23.100 --> 01:13:24.960
Okay, let's not do that.

1239
01:13:25.020 --> 01:13:25.619
No, no, no, no.

1240
01:13:25.680 --> 01:13:26.819
After seeing hot reels.

1241
01:13:26.880 --> 01:13:28.319
Yeah, that's true.

1242
01:13:28.380 --> 01:13:29.159
Yeah.

1243
01:13:29.220 --> 01:13:31.380
Oh, oh, okay.

1244
01:13:31.439 --> 01:13:32.760
This is a beautiful episode.

1245
01:13:32.819 --> 01:13:34.859
It's DS9 again.

1246
01:13:34.920 --> 01:13:39.359
It's season three, episode 22 Explorers.

1247
01:13:39.960 --> 01:13:46.079
And it's the one where Cisco builds the Bajoran lightship and him and Jake go off.

1248
01:13:46.140 --> 01:13:58.800
And it has a fabulous B plot as well about Julian Bashir and the person that he lost out to at school visiting the station.

1249
01:13:58.859 --> 01:14:02.039
Yeah. and it's the 1st litre episode as well.

1250
01:14:02.100 --> 01:14:03.420
Oh, okay.

1251
01:14:03.479 --> 01:14:03.899
All right.

1252
01:14:03.960 --> 01:14:04.619
Yep.

1253
01:14:04.680 --> 01:14:06.180
I'm here for it.

1254
01:14:06.239 --> 01:14:08.100
Well, I may just push it one more time.

1255
01:14:08.159 --> 01:14:11.880
Oh, you know that we have to go with it if you push it one more time.

1256
01:14:11.939 --> 01:14:14.819
There's no choosing the 2nd last one we rolled.

1257
01:14:14.880 --> 01:14:18.720
We're bad enough, I think, without introducing those rules.

1258
01:14:18.779 --> 01:14:19.260
What do you think?

1259
01:14:20.220 --> 01:14:21.659
Go on.

1260
01:14:21.720 --> 01:14:22.439
Go on, go on.

1261
01:14:22.500 --> 01:14:22.979
Push it.

1262
01:14:23.039 --> 01:14:24.060
Okay, I'll push it.

1263
01:14:24.119 --> 01:14:25.979
Oh my word.

1264
01:14:26.039 --> 01:14:26.460
Okay.

1265
01:14:26.579 --> 01:14:28.380
It's another DS 9 episode.

1266
01:14:28.439 --> 01:14:29.340
Ready?

1267
01:14:29.399 --> 01:14:30.300
I'm going to hold it out.

1268
01:14:30.359 --> 01:14:31.500
Are you sure you selected Voyager?

1269
01:14:31.560 --> 01:14:32.340
I did.

1270
01:14:32.399 --> 01:14:33.539
Okay.

1271
01:14:33.600 --> 01:14:33.960
All right.

1272
01:14:34.079 --> 01:14:37.739
It's season six. episode 19.

1273
01:14:38.579 --> 01:14:41.039
In the pale moonlight.

1274
01:14:41.159 --> 01:14:42.300
Oh, okay.

1275
01:14:42.359 --> 01:14:43.500
Yeah, we have to do that.

1276
01:14:43.560 --> 01:14:44.159
That's good.

1277
01:14:44.220 --> 01:14:44.880
Excellent.

1278
01:14:44.939 --> 01:14:46.500
That's actually, that's a good one to do.

1279
01:14:46.560 --> 01:14:47.399
And do you know why?

1280
01:14:47.460 --> 01:14:51.779
Because we did the House of Quark, and we did...

1281
01:14:51.779 --> 01:14:53.039
Baseball.

1282
01:14:53.100 --> 01:14:56.520
And they were both light, and this is, this is not light.

1283
01:14:56.579 --> 01:14:58.380
Oh, excellent.

1284
01:14:58.439 --> 01:15:01.500
I'm looking forward to seeing that I have seen it.

1285
01:15:01.560 --> 01:15:03.000
I do know which one we're talking about.

1286
01:15:04.020 --> 01:15:09.479
I mean, I think I think this is widely considered to be one of the best.

1287
01:15:09.479 --> 01:15:11.939
One of the top 3 DS9 episodes.

1288
01:15:12.000 --> 01:15:12.659
Yeah, yeah.

1289
01:15:12.720 --> 01:15:17.699
And I wouldn't necessarily say that about take me out to the holosuite and House of War.

1290
01:15:18.479 --> 01:15:20.340
No, they're very good.

1291
01:15:21.720 --> 01:15:27.600
So top three, in the Power Moonlight, better being better bang and in the cards, right?

1292
01:15:28.020 --> 01:15:30.479
That is a unique list to you.

1293
01:15:30.539 --> 01:15:30.899
Yes.

1294
01:15:41.399 --> 01:15:46.920
You've been listening to Untitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford and Nathan Bottomley.

1295
01:15:46.979 --> 01:15:54.300
You can find us online at untitled Star Trek project.com, where you can find links to our Twitter, Facebook, and YouTube channel.

1296
01:15:54.359 --> 01:15:59.520
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Ciceran, and the theme was composed by Cameron Lamb.

1297
01:15:59.579 --> 01:16:06.000
This episode was recorded on the 30th of January 2022 and released on the 11th of February.

1298
01:16:06.060 --> 01:16:11.399
We'll see you next time for Deep Space 9 in the pale moonlight.