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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So what are we watching today?

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Well, by a complete coincidence, we just so happened to be

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watching a Picard episode.

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After last week.

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I want to make I make a quick disclaimer before we go in.

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Because I think I was probably a little more negative than I

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wanted to be during the last episode.

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Um, and I want to just say kind of going into Nepenthe.

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This is a stunningly good episode of Star Trek.

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Like, whatever issues I have with Picard as a whole.

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It can deliver.

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And this delivers big.

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And it delivers what I think people want it from Picard, which is

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a massive shot on nostalgia.

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Yeah, yeah.

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But I think it works thematically as well.

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Like, it's a pivotal episode in the show, and it's not entirely

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about our old next generation characters as well, because the

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other regular cast get things to do.

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And there's a fairly solid B plot, I think.

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There is.

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And that's the other thing I'd like to say about Picard is I think

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by the end of the season, they have assembled a worthy successor

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cast to the next generation.

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Like, I think the the ensemble in Picard is really strong.

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I don't like what they do to some of these characters, especially

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what's the blonde woman's name who I really love?

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She's so cute and they do terrible things to her.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Have her murdering people and swallowing terrible pills and...

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She vomits twice in this episode.

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Not nice.

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And she's so cute.

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She's so lovely.

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And the actress is really, really good.

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And Raffi, I absolutely love.

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Her relationship with Picard.

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All right, it pisses me off that she calls him JL. really

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annoying.

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Apart from that.

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I think the actress is really great. 7 of 9 comes in and she's at

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our absolute best.

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Jerry Ryan is stunningly good.

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The guy we both fancy Rios.

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Oh, he's so beautiful. things I could do with that man.

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Wow, he's playing a multitude of characters and they're all really

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fun.

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So by the end of the season.

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We've got a fine...

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Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

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You've completely ignored the token Australian in the cast.

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Who's that?

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Who's Elanor?

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The adorable Romulan?

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The pretty little Romula.

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Yeah, see, he's lovely, but he's a bit serious, isn't he?

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No, he's not.

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He's a comic character.

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Like they play him for laughs quite a lot.

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Yeah, we don't see it here, but there's a lot of times when he's

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just literally played for laughs.

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I think it's such...

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It looks like he stepped straight out of Lord of the Rings from

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the big saw.

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Yeah.

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You think that's a comic character?

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I think you need to rewatch it because a lot of the time he is

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being played for laughs and I think it's adorable.

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He's very sexy.

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That's all I would say.

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Oh, he's such a pretty young man.

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And the Romulan guy with a beard is really sexy as well.

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This is a very sexy cast.

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All the women are very sexy.

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They've chosen them well.

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No, the woman who plays Narek's sister Larissa, I think, is

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stunningly gorgeous.

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Either to you, when I watched this the other day in preparation

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for this, about Marine Syrtis and how she had obviously visibly

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aged since the last time we saw a nemesis.

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God damn it, she's still hot.

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She's so good.

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She's really good.

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And it is that thing.

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You know, we talked about how Marina Syrtus gets to be herself as

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Tiana when she starts.

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She's got the Greek accent.

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She's really stayed and really kind of not very interesting.

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And then they lean into making her a little bit more fun.

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But, I mean, basically the only personal characteristic she ends

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up with is liking chocolate.

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You know, that's the only thing that we know about Deanna.

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Oh, and having a mum.

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Oh, I'm not going to say the best showing for Troy's the movies

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because, you know, the boob firming conversation, crashing the

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ship and all of that.

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But in terms of her just bringing Buckingham personality and

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herself.

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And then her Voyager episodes that she's a Pathfinder.

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She's really, very good.

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She's great.

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This, I'm going to say, right?

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Because you know, I think Troy is a pretty worthless character.

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Um, this is her best episode by a mile.

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It's wonderful.

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They lean into her appalling psychobabble. in a way that's

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genuinely meaningful in this.

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And the interactions between home and Picard, which was just so

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cold and professional in the next generation.

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Here, it's just warm and love, and I just believe that these 2

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people absolutely love each other.

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It's terrible.

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I wanted it to be like this in the next generation.

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Yeah, I actually think what's really, really wonderful is the

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relationship between Riker and Picard, because it's nothing like

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what it is on the show.

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Nathan, I'll tell you what, you would know something about this

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you know?

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Talk about a silver fox.

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How good does he look with the prey?

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Yeah, yeah.

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I think he looks a bit rough actually and could tidy it up a bit.

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I, he, well, also the same thing to you during the lockdown.

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Honestly.

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Well, I'm looking a bit rough today as well.

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But there's a real warmth and there is a shot at the end, which I

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think is stunningly beautiful.

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And if you go to the website, you'll see it, where the 3 of them

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hug, and both of them kiss Picard.

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Like a Riker kisses him.

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There's a real physical ease between them, a real proper warmth

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and respect, and there's a scene in this, right, where Riker says

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to Picard, oh, and only the great Jean-Luc Picard could possibly

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take the weight of all this on his shoulders.

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And every time I see that scene, I think back to that 1st scene

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when they're together, where Picardo's being an absolute fucking

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arsehole to him, it's like, you know, I don't want to make an arse

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of myself with kids.

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You got to prove yourself to me.

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You got to go and separate that saucer.

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You've got to head down to Far Point Station and have a tedious

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adventure down there.

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And how far they've come?

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And he's now, he's not, he's not confronting him.

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He's actually, the scene has a purpose.

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He's trying to make him realise. you can lean on people, you

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know.

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It's really, really great.

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And it's there's a moment towards the end where Picard says to

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Riker, thank you for not talking me out of this.

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I know better than that.

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But, I mean, Riker guesses the whole thing as well.

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That's a great scene as well.

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That's smart.

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You know, they're properly smart.

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It is so good.

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But the bit as well, obviously, we're going to talk about as good

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as we go in.

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And also the bit where she says to Picard about Soji and, you know

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how dare you, you do not know what she is going through right

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now.

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And I'm just like, I never knew Troy could be this good.

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Yeah.

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Like, I mean, don't, come on. be honest with me.

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They row her pretty appallingly throughout the next gen round.

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Yeah, I love it, man.

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I love...

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Alcar, no.

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Do you remember the bit when she goes to the transporter room and

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she's like the total vamp at this point.

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Yeah, yeah.

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And she's got the knife and she wrestles with the card. is the

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campus thing you've ever seen in your life.

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Oh, that thing, maybe maybe he's just sick of hearing you whining

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all the time.

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I know I am.

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She's so good.

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I really want to watch that. definitely want to watch that now.

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What is it?

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Oh no, we're going to kill her off and we'll bring her back in 2

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minutes time.

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Okay, yeah, yeah, it's terrible.

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But, oh, man, I kind of really wish it was part of this show

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written this well. you know, because here's the potential of Troy

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right here.

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Yep, you know?

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Well, I think what's happening here is, and I think the show

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itself comments on it.

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You're taking people from a procedural show that was entirely

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about space problems where massive things would happen to people

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every week and there would be no consequences.

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And in fact, the only proper time that they do give consequences

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is best of both worlds. where they devote that episode family to

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Picard's recovery from being turned into a Borg.

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And obviously that trauma is then revisited in 1st contact and

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again here.

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And getting these characters who were not at all designed for this

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kind of show and putting them in here and seeing what happens, I

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think is really interesting.

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But you know what they're doing as well?

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is they're leaning on the actors, like very natural love and

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chemistry for each other.

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And they absolutely should be doing that, you know?

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And I'm hoping when spoilers to anyone who hasn't seen trailers

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Whoopi Goldberg comes in in season 2 and John Delancey comes in in

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season 2 that this continues, you know, and I think it will.

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I think Rod Goldberg is going to be just astonishing in this

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show.

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Yeah.

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There's just, there's just like a deafness to the characterisation

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that just wasn't there in TNG.

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And it wasn't what it was about, really, you know?

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I also think too, that generally speaking, the dialogue in

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Kurtzman trek is streets ahead of the dialogue in most of Berman

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trek.

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And so having these people speak more naturally, having them talk

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like people and say things that are revealing of character and

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stuff like that rather than sort of barking technobabble at each

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other.

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I think it's a great improvement.

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I'll quote a scene from Bourbon Trek.

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And the ego want to execute my son.

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I will not allow that to happen, Jean-Luc.

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We need to talk.

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Oh, I do.

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Okay, now massive DS9 apologies.

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And I do think as DSI goes along, they learn how to script those

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characters really, really well.

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But they're so distinct characters.

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The dialogue's almost like self-perpetuating by the end because

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the characters are so well defined.

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But in like Voyager and Enterprise, it's a struggle at times.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, well, what do you think?

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I think we should watch it.

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I think we probably should as well.

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We've talked it all through already, but...

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Oh no, I don't think I'll run out.

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All right.

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So I'm queued up.

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Let's count in 5, 4, 3, 2, one, and we're off.

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I would like to point out immediately.

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Yeah, that this episode is 58 minutes long.

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Would you like to stand a length for a Star Trek episode?

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No, no.

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And obviously we've said this before because this is streamed

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rather than broadcast, it can be as long as we like.

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Oh, I would like to say, even though I do criticise the ball

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scenes for being intermined to be boring and they are, the actual

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ball cube that they build, in episode one, when they come out of

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it and it's got all these layers and things, it looks

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astonishing.

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It looks great. doesn't it?

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So, Soji, for goodness sake, she's so good.

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And we didn't really talk about her before as a regular.

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No, do you know what?

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What really surprised me about the 1st episode was I had forgotten

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that her sister was killed in the 1st episode.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I thought that was the character.

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So when I rewatched the 1st episode, I was shocked all over.

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And it was that she had a sister.

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But I really like this whole artificial intelligence angle.

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And the fact that it's been banned and the fact that it makes data

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a very important character without even really appearing, um, and

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she is just, they've cast her. brilliantly.

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Yeah, she's very engaging to watch.

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Well, also, remember that data is different from the other

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characters because of his skin and eye colour, which are sort of

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racial characteristics.

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And so sometimes, particularly in say measure of a man, there's a

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kind of racial element to it.

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And having her with, you know, she's got these striking green eyes

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despite her overall look, which I think kind of sells that too.

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Now, he's a great scene. kicks offs.

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Now, look, this is one of my issues with this episode.

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Just doing nasty things again.

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I'm not so keen on this.

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What's the woman's name?

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The head of staff Commodores?

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Commodore O. With her black sunglasses.

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What's that all about?

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She's scary as hell, I think.

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The performance is really good.

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Yeah, I don't know.

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And then she makes her swallow this pill and chew it.

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And it was all a bit tortuous and a bit nasty.

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So every episode of Picard just about seems to start with a, with

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a, um, flashback like this, and so this is a flashback to what

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midway through the season, like sometime between episode one and

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two, uh, this is happening.

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And we've had the mystery of why Agnes kills Bruce Maddox, we've

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mentioned Measure of a Man, and Bruce Maddox is the character, if

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not the actor from that.

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And I'd forgotten that he died as well.

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So you're a bloody assassination list.

299
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Yeah, that's right.

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But she works with him.

301
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Wasn't she in love with him?

302
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Yeah, but he's disappeared.

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Remember, he disappears.

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Um, they decide that it must be, um, I think we discover that this

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episode.

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He's gone for 15 years because of the synth ban and he's gone to

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this other planet in order to continue his research into producing

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synthetic life forms.

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So, was it the same actor?

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No, no.

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Oh, okay.

312
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Yeah.

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That's a shame.

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Actually, he was a bit wooden in measure of a man.

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So, yeah, I think that's a superb episode. excellent.

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Yeah.

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But Agnes is so good here.

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Like, she's sort of frightened.

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This.

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Holy shit.

321
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Yeah, so here we go.

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So we saw this previously or maybe we see it later.

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I can't remember.

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There is a flashback where we discover that, oh, and um, Larissa

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so Narek's sister, I think she's called Larissa, are members of

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the Jart Vash, and that this flashback that Girati has just seen

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is the admonition.

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Yeah, that's her 1st vomit, vomit number one.

329
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Lovely.

330
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And so there is some terror thing.

331
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If we don't ban the synths, if we don't take this action, this is

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what it will lead to.

333
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Yeah, this is what it'll lead to.

334
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I actually think this is frightening and she sells the hell out of

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it.

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She's so good and the line.

337
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She's really good.

338
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But the weird thing about her is she's kind of been comic relief

339
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up until the point where she murders Maddox.

340
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Yeah, yeah.

341
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And I think that's absolutely deliberate that they make us lie.

342
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Look at the look on her face as she's chewing it.

343
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The chewing line is so frightening because we know it's now not a

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tracking device that can be beamed out of her or extracted that it

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becomes a systemic thing.

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You know, it's it's all throughout the body.

347
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That's unpleasant.

348
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Terror watching. characters that I really like, like going through

349
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very unpleasant things.

350
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Like, I know that's drama and I get it.

351
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No, no, no, no.

352
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And like, yeah.

353
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And this is an episode where terrible things happen to Agnes, I

354
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think.

355
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I like how...

356
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I don't know.

357
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I do quite like the bit where she vomits up the red velvet cake

358
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and you're supposed to think it's glass.

359
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That's really funny.

360
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Do you know, I was really not keen on the design of this shit

361
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right?

362
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When I 1st watched it, I really love it now.

363
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It's so different from, you know, that fucking tedious bridge set

364
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of Next Generation.

365
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I think that you get a real sense of it as a space in a way that

366
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you don't ever, even though we spend 7 years on the Enterprise D

367
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Oh here we go.

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Like, do you remember when I said to you, like, I thought the

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technology and next generation, all those lights on the consoles

370
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were like, yeah, the most sophisticated technology I could think

371
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of?

372
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Now it's all like, um, like projection in the air. and they've

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taken they've just taken it to sort of the modern day and it's

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very cool.

375
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I love it.

376
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That's really good.

377
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So she's called Larissa.

378
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She English.

379
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She's an English Romulan.

380
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We have an Irish Romulan as a semi-regular on this show as well.

381
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She's especially memorable.

382
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I think she's fucking terrifying and particularly in this scene.

383
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She's so great.

384
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So she's questioning Hugh about where Picard has gone and Picard

385
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has travelled to Nepenthe, you know, 10, you know, 1000s of light

386
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years away or whatever, using technology that was denied to

387
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Voyager in the episode Prime Factors.

388
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Pride Factors is a very good episode, alright?

389
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But we discover that they've been assimilated and I hope that

390
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arsehole in Prime Factors with a weird accent was one of them and

391
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got turned into a...

392
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He is so bloody creepy, anyway.

393
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We're not giving you our sea crafts.

394
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You know, a strange man.

395
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Look at these visuals.

396
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Oh, and see, this is awful as well, isn't it?

397
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So she's killed all of the XPs and that's been what he's working

398
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on.

399
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And that is probably too much.

400
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You as well.

401
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He's just watched all these people get murdered in front of him

402
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and he's crying over the bar.

403
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I mean this is nasty.

404
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This is not nice.

405
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Yeah, I think this is nasty.

406
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And you're right.

407
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I think they're absolutely leaning into that sort of Game of

408
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Thrones shock factor.

409
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And occasionally it does work very well.

410
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Yeah.

411
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Like the bit where she kills Maddox, that is genuinely shocking.

412
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Like no one I didn't see that coming.

413
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No, you know.

414
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But afterwards, I was just like, why did they do that?

415
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Yeah, yeah.

416
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But, I mean, in a sense, you know, um, She's Narissa, not

417
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Larissa.

418
00:19:40.440 --> 00:19:43.079
In a sense, you know, they're right.

419
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The Jart Vars are right.

420
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Aren't they?

421
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So they, uh, opposed to synthetic life.

422
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That's why they killed Darj, and that's why they used Soji to try

423
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and find the home planet because...

424
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Oh, when we go to that planet, they genuinely are planning.

425
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Some kind of an uprising.

426
00:20:06.839 --> 00:20:07.440
I make...

427
00:20:07.500 --> 00:20:11.279
No, what happens is that when synths reach a certain level, those

428
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big tentacles from another dimension come in and...

429
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Now we're in next generation territory.

430
00:20:19.500 --> 00:20:21.359
It looks so great though.

431
00:20:21.420 --> 00:20:23.759
I mean, those flowers look great, but it did take me back to

432
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FarPoint, and those jokes are coming up, you know?

433
00:20:26.039 --> 00:20:28.319
Oh my god, this ball cube looks so good.

434
00:20:28.440 --> 00:20:30.299
Yeah, yeah, doesn't it?

435
00:20:30.359 --> 00:20:34.859
But like this scene, we are still considerable way into this

436
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episode and we haven't actually seen Picard or Soji yet.

437
00:20:38.460 --> 00:20:42.660
And well, it's like you said before, though, like, if you've got a

438
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cast of characters that you enjoy being with.

439
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Like, you know, I'm not really enjoying the nastiness of the

440
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beginning of this episode.

441
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I do like being with these characters, you know?

442
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It's fun to watch.

443
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Pretty, pretty, Elanor. gosh he's so gorgeous.

444
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Honestly.

445
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His eyebrows are a bit extreme.

446
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Well, he's a Romulan.

447
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It's a thing.

448
00:21:02.579 --> 00:21:04.140
I'm sorry.

449
00:21:04.200 --> 00:21:06.119
I swear, God, I saw him in the hobby, you know.

450
00:21:06.180 --> 00:21:08.339
He looks like he has stepped straight out of a Tolkien movie.

451
00:21:08.400 --> 00:21:09.480
Yeah, it's wonderful.

452
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Um, he, he, I think his parent, um, Mari, like, um, uh, he has

453
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such a striking look and he's so pretty and really funny and I

454
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adore the fact that they let him do his Australian accent.

455
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I just think that's great.

456
00:21:27.779 --> 00:21:29.640
Well, do you know what?

457
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I really like Rios because he's the one character who's just like

458
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a nice bloke and you know what I mean?

459
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And like, like, uh, Raffi, she was a drunk and lost her career and

460
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0 god, what's her name again?

461
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The blonde one I like.

462
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Agnes. thank you very much You know, she goes through this whole

463
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thing of assassinating the person that she loves.

464
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Whereas Rios is just, he's a bit of a bad boy, but he's actually a

465
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very nice.

466
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We do get a backstory about why he leaves Starfleet and it's

467
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pretty grim.

468
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There he is.

469
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Santiago Cabrera plays um plays Trios.

470
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Oh my god, how late is this title sequence coming 10 minutes in?

471
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Yeah.

472
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It's really long too.

473
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But what do you think?

474
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This title sequence, which is...

475
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I was so uncertain when I 1st watched it.

476
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Now I love it.

477
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Yeah, I think it's beautiful.

478
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I mean, in a sense, it is a trip through the things that make

479
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Picard who he is.

480
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I'm not sure what the dodecahedrons are, but whatever. unearthed

481
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in an amateur archeological expedition perhaps.

482
00:22:38.759 --> 00:22:43.019
But it's beautiful and the music is stunning.

483
00:22:43.079 --> 00:22:46.619
And, you know, like, I do agree with you about music in Kurtzman

484
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Trek, and especially the title music in Kurtzman Trek. always very

485
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good.

486
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I'm just wondering.

487
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But this is this is just there's something, I don't know, it's

488
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slower.

489
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It's very, the images are just very beautiful.

490
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Yeah.

491
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But it's sort of fragments of these things that go to make up who

492
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Picard is and that's what it is.

493
00:23:09.299 --> 00:23:12.660
And then, I've got to say this, Nathan, God, he looks old.

494
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Yeah, really old.

495
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I've said you a 1000000 times, I would not criticise someone for

496
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ageing.

497
00:23:19.619 --> 00:23:24.240
They have announced that Picard is only going to 3 years and I can

498
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probably see why, you know.

499
00:23:25.680 --> 00:23:27.539
Look, I think it's extraordinary.

500
00:23:27.599 --> 00:23:31.500
The fact, I wonder whether, oh, look at that shot with that rock

501
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arch, this is such a beautiful place here.

502
00:23:35.099 --> 00:23:37.980
But they really lean into his age as well.

503
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And like in this, in the 1st episode, and especially that scene

504
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where he talks to that horrible admiral, who tells him to fuck

505
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off.

506
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They're kind of leaning into the fact that he's past his best

507
00:23:49.079 --> 00:23:49.680
aren't they?

508
00:23:49.740 --> 00:23:51.539
You know, and he's a bit of a relic.

509
00:23:51.599 --> 00:23:54.420
Yeah, he's a little bit frail in this episode.

510
00:23:54.480 --> 00:23:57.960
There's a scene where he's frailty is kind of a thing.

511
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It's it's good.

512
00:23:59.220 --> 00:24:00.180
I like that.

513
00:24:00.240 --> 00:24:06.299
The great thing about it is you've got this really old guy as the

514
00:24:06.299 --> 00:24:10.319
lead and sometimes this is the most dynamic Star Trek you've ever

515
00:24:10.319 --> 00:24:11.519
seen in your life.

516
00:24:11.579 --> 00:24:15.119
There's that sequence in episode one where the Tao Shiara trying

517
00:24:15.119 --> 00:24:16.619
to take out what's her name?

518
00:24:16.680 --> 00:24:17.519
Darsh.

519
00:24:18.359 --> 00:24:21.119
And he's basically just standing there because he can't do much.

520
00:24:21.180 --> 00:24:22.259
But bugger me.

521
00:24:22.319 --> 00:24:24.299
That sequence looks like it's sprung from the Matrix.

522
00:24:24.359 --> 00:24:25.680
So good.

523
00:24:25.740 --> 00:24:31.559
So this is Kestra and she is Kestra Troy Riker.

524
00:24:31.619 --> 00:24:32.519
Where's that name from?

525
00:24:32.579 --> 00:24:35.220
So it's from the episode Dark Page.

526
00:24:35.519 --> 00:24:40.380
And we did have a reference to tapestry just then with Picard's

527
00:24:40.380 --> 00:24:41.339
artificial heart as well.

528
00:24:43.140 --> 00:24:50.700
I think that that's actually never commented on, you know, if you

529
00:24:50.700 --> 00:24:52.079
know, you know, if you don't, it doesn't matter.

530
00:24:52.140 --> 00:24:54.420
But have a think about Kestra.

531
00:24:54.480 --> 00:25:00.059
So Castra was Deanna's sister, who Deanna didn't know about, and

532
00:25:00.059 --> 00:25:01.619
she drowned, right?

533
00:25:01.680 --> 00:25:05.220
In a terrible accident when Deanna was just a baby, I think.

534
00:25:05.339 --> 00:25:08.519
And it's a pitifully melodramatic episode.

535
00:25:08.579 --> 00:25:09.359
Yeah, yeah.

536
00:25:11.220 --> 00:25:21.000
So she reminds us of a tragedy in Deanna's family, if we recognise

537
00:25:21.000 --> 00:25:21.539
that name.

538
00:25:21.720 --> 00:25:25.440
Instantly, if you know it, but it kind of plants that seed and

539
00:25:25.440 --> 00:25:27.839
then when we find out what happened to her, is her brother.

540
00:25:27.900 --> 00:25:29.460
Yeah, her brother.

541
00:25:29.519 --> 00:25:34.079
So he would have been 18 a few weeks ago. an older brother who

542
00:25:34.079 --> 00:25:41.039
died of an illness and so what we've done is we've put these 2

543
00:25:41.039 --> 00:25:46.559
characters, Riker and Troy into this show, which is much more

544
00:25:46.559 --> 00:25:51.119
character driven, much more focussed on people's backstories and

545
00:25:51.119 --> 00:25:51.720
stuff like that.

546
00:25:51.779 --> 00:25:54.960
Naturally, something dreadful had to happen to him, obviously.

547
00:25:55.019 --> 00:25:57.599
Because that's what life is like.

548
00:25:57.960 --> 00:26:00.059
No, I know.

549
00:26:00.119 --> 00:26:02.400
That's not really what we go to Star Trek for on the whole, is

550
00:26:02.400 --> 00:26:02.640
it?

551
00:26:02.700 --> 00:26:07.140
No, but you know, like Geordie loses his mom in series 7 or

552
00:26:07.140 --> 00:26:09.480
whatever and it's never mentioned again.

553
00:26:09.660 --> 00:26:13.740
What's great about this, though, is the whole tragedy thing.

554
00:26:13.799 --> 00:26:17.640
Oh my god, the sequence where Troy says to Picard, I'm not as

555
00:26:17.640 --> 00:26:18.839
brave as I used to be.

556
00:26:18.900 --> 00:26:20.940
Why if something happened to Kestra?

557
00:26:21.299 --> 00:26:23.220
I love his response.

558
00:26:23.279 --> 00:26:24.779
I'm not as brave as I used to be.

559
00:26:24.839 --> 00:26:28.799
And Picard says, that's because you've got why smart.

560
00:26:29.700 --> 00:26:30.180
Why is it?

561
00:26:30.240 --> 00:26:30.900
It's beautiful.

562
00:26:30.960 --> 00:26:35.039
Holy crap. dialogue is especially good in this episode.

563
00:26:35.099 --> 00:26:36.599
Yeah, yeah.

564
00:26:36.660 --> 00:26:37.019
Yep.

565
00:26:37.079 --> 00:26:42.420
Look, this is like the fact that Kestra and Soji. have a very nice

566
00:26:42.420 --> 00:26:45.119
relationship in this as well, because she says later on, I don't

567
00:26:45.119 --> 00:26:47.759
trust you and I don't trust, but she kind of does trust the kids.

568
00:26:48.119 --> 00:26:52.079
And my god, they found a kid actor who can act.

569
00:26:52.140 --> 00:26:53.039
He's really good.

570
00:26:53.099 --> 00:26:57.059
And he gets great lines as well, who also gets really good

571
00:26:57.059 --> 00:26:57.960
dialogue.

572
00:26:58.019 --> 00:27:00.000
It's so well done.

573
00:27:00.059 --> 00:27:01.019
It's so well done.

574
00:27:01.079 --> 00:27:02.880
Dude, what's the funniest bit?

575
00:27:02.940 --> 00:27:06.839
It's where Riker goes shields up.

576
00:27:06.839 --> 00:27:08.579
They all go up round the house.

577
00:27:11.039 --> 00:27:12.420
Good.

578
00:27:12.480 --> 00:27:12.900
Right.

579
00:27:13.740 --> 00:27:17.700
You can only imagine that everyone watching this have heard, this

580
00:27:17.700 --> 00:27:18.660
is what people wanted.

581
00:27:18.720 --> 00:27:22.259
Like they absolutely wanted to see a reunion between the, like, the

582
00:27:22.259 --> 00:27:23.099
TNG crew.

583
00:27:23.160 --> 00:27:27.240
But I think that the show by that point has established that it

584
00:27:27.240 --> 00:27:30.180
isn't just wasted.

585
00:27:30.240 --> 00:27:32.099
They wasted to actually seven.

586
00:27:35.160 --> 00:27:38.519
And then she sort of holds out her arms, doesn't she?

587
00:27:38.579 --> 00:27:39.839
And she's like, come give me a...

588
00:27:40.200 --> 00:27:42.539
But no, no, but remember.

589
00:27:42.599 --> 00:27:44.160
In TNG all good things.

590
00:27:44.220 --> 00:27:47.220
Oh, look at her smile. look at her smile.

591
00:27:47.279 --> 00:27:51.059
The most intimate she could, like they could have, was him coming

592
00:27:51.059 --> 00:27:51.900
to a poker match.

593
00:27:51.960 --> 00:27:53.279
Look how far we've come.

594
00:27:53.400 --> 00:27:54.480
Yeah, yeah.

595
00:27:54.539 --> 00:27:56.160
Oh, look.

596
00:27:56.220 --> 00:27:58.200
I mean, it's so warm.

597
00:27:58.259 --> 00:27:59.160
It's so beautiful.

598
00:27:59.220 --> 00:28:01.440
I love Marina.

599
00:28:01.500 --> 00:28:02.700
I just love her so much.

600
00:28:02.759 --> 00:28:04.140
She's so superb.

601
00:28:04.859 --> 00:28:09.059
When I say this, this could have been like just the actors

602
00:28:09.059 --> 00:28:12.660
reuniting and they could, and they lean to a bit.

603
00:28:12.779 --> 00:28:14.400
This is Troy and Picard.

604
00:28:14.460 --> 00:28:16.799
This isn't Marina Syrtis and Patrick Stewart.

605
00:28:16.859 --> 00:28:21.420
Like, they are being... her touching his face.

606
00:28:21.480 --> 00:28:23.220
I know. beautiful.

607
00:28:23.279 --> 00:28:25.079
It's so beautiful.

608
00:28:25.980 --> 00:28:28.200
Yeah, just the warmth.

609
00:28:28.200 --> 00:28:33.059
You kind of, you feel the weight of the relationship, don't you?

610
00:28:33.180 --> 00:28:37.200
But we never had that warmth in Star Trek, the Next Generation, or

611
00:28:37.200 --> 00:28:38.640
anything like that between...

612
00:28:38.759 --> 00:28:43.200
But it doesn't feel like it's a lie to their characters, you

613
00:28:43.200 --> 00:28:43.380
know?

614
00:28:43.440 --> 00:28:46.740
Well, they've been part of our lives for so long.

615
00:28:46.799 --> 00:28:50.460
I mean, I was watching this as it aired, not this, Picard

616
00:28:50.460 --> 00:28:52.259
obviously, I was watching that as it aired, but I was watching

617
00:28:52.259 --> 00:28:53.880
Next Jan as it aired.

618
00:28:53.940 --> 00:28:56.880
And so these people have been part of my life for such a long time

619
00:28:56.880 --> 00:29:01.500
and just seeing them back and seeing them together and just the

620
00:29:01.500 --> 00:29:02.940
those decades, you know.

621
00:29:03.000 --> 00:29:04.619
It's so Virginia.

622
00:29:04.680 --> 00:29:05.940
Stop yelling.

623
00:29:06.000 --> 00:29:07.140
Oh yeah.

624
00:29:07.140 --> 00:29:08.400
He's great.

625
00:29:08.519 --> 00:29:12.359
I mean, I feel like sometimes he says freaks, right?

626
00:29:12.420 --> 00:29:15.059
I think it is freaks, but I think that's good.

627
00:29:15.119 --> 00:29:18.779
Just the way Marina, you know, Troy is Marina. let's lean into

628
00:29:18.779 --> 00:29:20.579
that Nathan is making a lovely pizza.

629
00:29:20.640 --> 00:29:22.920
Oh, when she said a pizza he makes.

630
00:29:22.980 --> 00:29:25.140
Look how small Picard is.

631
00:29:25.440 --> 00:29:28.920
Look how small he is compared to Riker. amazing.

632
00:29:29.039 --> 00:29:29.880
Do you know what?

633
00:29:29.940 --> 00:29:33.480
does kind of make me feel like we lost out a little bit?

634
00:29:33.539 --> 00:29:36.119
Because one of the things I really love about DS9 is the intimacy

635
00:29:36.119 --> 00:29:38.460
between the characters and how they're all very tactile with each

636
00:29:38.460 --> 00:29:38.640
other.

637
00:29:38.700 --> 00:29:39.960
Yeah, yeah.

638
00:29:39.960 --> 00:29:42.900
And we could have had that in TNG a lot more.

639
00:29:42.960 --> 00:29:45.119
But I mean, it was never about that.

640
00:29:45.180 --> 00:29:47.339
It's the space problems issue, isn't it?

641
00:29:47.400 --> 00:29:50.940
I don't know, maybe because they weren't this reward slap.

642
00:29:51.000 --> 00:29:52.920
Yeah, and they're working.

643
00:29:52.980 --> 00:29:59.460
They're colleagues, you know, Whereas this, you know, they've

644
00:29:59.460 --> 00:30:00.960
retired, they're old friends.

645
00:30:01.859 --> 00:30:05.279
So you want to be arse deep in Romulans for the rest of your

646
00:30:05.279 --> 00:30:05.460
life.

647
00:30:05.519 --> 00:30:07.740
And so that's great.

648
00:30:07.799 --> 00:30:11.099
And we actually see the Romulan home world breaking up in the

649
00:30:11.099 --> 00:30:12.000
opening credits.

650
00:30:12.059 --> 00:30:13.559
That must be what that is.

651
00:30:13.619 --> 00:30:18.960
And Picard knows that the right thing to do, even though they're

652
00:30:18.960 --> 00:30:20.220
enemies.

653
00:30:20.279 --> 00:30:26.400
Uh, you know, even though they're enemies is, is um, to save them

654
00:30:26.460 --> 00:30:30.720
you know, but we won't do it because we're too scared.

655
00:30:30.779 --> 00:30:34.019
The whole Riker and Troy relationship as well, right?

656
00:30:34.079 --> 00:30:35.220
It's like so annoying.

657
00:30:35.279 --> 00:30:37.619
They kept them apart for 7 fucking seasons.

658
00:30:37.980 --> 00:30:41.700
And then only paid it off in the movies just for that one scene

659
00:30:41.700 --> 00:30:43.799
where they got married in, was it Nemesis?

660
00:30:43.859 --> 00:30:46.200
right at the end right at the end of their rum.

661
00:30:46.259 --> 00:30:47.880
Yeah, ain't it great soon, is it?

662
00:30:48.359 --> 00:30:51.779
There's something very off about Picard in that scene, you know, go

663
00:30:51.779 --> 00:30:52.319
back and watch it.

664
00:30:52.380 --> 00:30:53.279
He seems really pissed.

665
00:30:54.000 --> 00:30:59.819
So what about the fact that when normally Deanna, when she's

666
00:30:59.819 --> 00:31:03.059
called on the bridge, you know, do you send something and she goes

667
00:31:03.059 --> 00:31:04.799
oh, I can't sense anything from him?

668
00:31:04.799 --> 00:31:07.980
Or she senses something that was readily apparent to all of us at

669
00:31:07.980 --> 00:31:10.380
home just by looking at the actor's facial expression or

670
00:31:10.380 --> 00:31:11.940
whatever?

671
00:31:12.000 --> 00:31:16.740
He or she can't sense anything, but she is able to comment on like

672
00:31:16.740 --> 00:31:19.619
properly on Soji's body language and stuff like that.

673
00:31:19.680 --> 00:31:23.940
You know, she's properly competent in a way that she's rarely

674
00:31:23.940 --> 00:31:26.160
allowed to be in next generation.

675
00:31:26.220 --> 00:31:29.940
You know, we haven't talked about a house or the location either.

676
00:31:30.000 --> 00:31:31.140
It's just perfect, isn't it?

677
00:31:31.200 --> 00:31:34.619
So this is a log cabin on the Paramount lot.

678
00:31:34.740 --> 00:31:37.559
Um, yeah, yeah.

679
00:31:37.619 --> 00:31:39.779
But the location...

680
00:31:39.779 --> 00:31:40.980
You never would be able to tell that.

681
00:31:41.039 --> 00:31:43.259
Oh, you mean the interior?

682
00:31:43.319 --> 00:31:48.359
No, I think the house, the interior is the house, but this is a

683
00:31:48.359 --> 00:31:51.779
house that Paramount owns that they've built and it is used in

684
00:31:51.779 --> 00:31:52.799
other things as well.

685
00:31:52.859 --> 00:31:54.359
Okay.

686
00:31:54.420 --> 00:31:57.839
I don't know, I just, I love, it's so rustic.

687
00:31:57.900 --> 00:31:59.759
I mean, this is what I'd like to hear for.

688
00:31:59.819 --> 00:32:07.140
Remember where, um, um, Kirk retires too in generations.

689
00:32:07.200 --> 00:32:08.339
It's that sort of feel.

690
00:32:08.400 --> 00:32:10.079
I try not to, but yeah.

691
00:32:10.079 --> 00:32:11.099
It's not good, is it?

692
00:32:12.480 --> 00:32:14.759
Do you have spit?

693
00:32:14.819 --> 00:32:16.559
A mucus.

694
00:32:16.619 --> 00:32:17.279
What about this?

695
00:32:17.339 --> 00:32:20.819
There's a wonderful line here that references 3 next generation

696
00:32:20.819 --> 00:32:24.299
episodes in one sentence without being crap.

697
00:32:24.359 --> 00:32:25.859
Which free, are they?

698
00:32:25.920 --> 00:32:30.359
So it hasn't happened yet, but Kestra and Soji are currently

699
00:32:30.359 --> 00:32:36.660
talking about data and Kestra's interrogating Soji about, you know

700
00:32:36.660 --> 00:32:37.740
how human she is.

701
00:32:37.799 --> 00:32:42.720
Like when Bashir asks data if his hair grows.

702
00:32:46.259 --> 00:32:52.079
And it's wonderful, they seem because Soji is in a situation where

703
00:32:52.079 --> 00:32:55.319
her childhood she discovers has been fabricated, and so are her

704
00:32:55.319 --> 00:32:59.819
memories, and she's standing in front of a wall that's full of

705
00:32:59.819 --> 00:33:04.500
pictures that Kestra has drawn, and possibly that Thad has drawn

706
00:33:04.500 --> 00:33:06.420
which are all childhood memories.

707
00:33:06.480 --> 00:33:08.579
You know, it's it's all about that.

708
00:33:08.640 --> 00:33:09.599
It's so well done.

709
00:33:09.660 --> 00:33:13.079
Yeah, all he wanted to do was have dreams and tell jokes and learn

710
00:33:13.079 --> 00:33:13.980
how to ballroom.

711
00:33:14.039 --> 00:33:14.819
Oh, it does.

712
00:33:14.880 --> 00:33:17.039
They just...

713
00:33:17.099 --> 00:33:20.160
The outrageous O'Connor.

714
00:33:20.220 --> 00:33:21.599
Fry part one.

715
00:33:21.720 --> 00:33:23.700
It's that 2 parter on DSI, isn't it?

716
00:33:23.759 --> 00:33:24.359
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

717
00:33:24.420 --> 00:33:25.740
That's terrific.

718
00:33:25.799 --> 00:33:27.299
Yeah, isn't it good?

719
00:33:27.359 --> 00:33:28.440
It's so good.

720
00:33:28.500 --> 00:33:32.700
I actually think the callbacks on Picard are a lot subtler.

721
00:33:32.759 --> 00:33:35.039
I quite like how they do it in Picard.

722
00:33:35.160 --> 00:33:39.420
Yeah, they're kind of far more invested in the world they're

723
00:33:39.420 --> 00:33:40.140
trying to build.

724
00:33:40.200 --> 00:33:43.079
It's probably the most original, actually, of all of them.

725
00:33:43.380 --> 00:33:46.019
Yeah, I think that's probably...

726
00:33:46.019 --> 00:33:47.819
Maybe Discovery skips into the future.

727
00:33:47.880 --> 00:33:50.579
Yeah, that is pretty damn inventive.

728
00:33:50.640 --> 00:33:54.779
That's a that is very a strange reinvention of Starfleet, which I

729
00:33:54.779 --> 00:33:55.559
think is really good.

730
00:33:55.619 --> 00:33:57.900
But this scene is great.

731
00:33:57.960 --> 00:34:00.420
And the child actor does such a good job.

732
00:34:00.480 --> 00:34:01.920
She's really, really good.

733
00:34:02.039 --> 00:34:03.660
Absolutely, you should believe it.

734
00:34:03.660 --> 00:34:04.259
That's her daughter.

735
00:34:04.319 --> 00:34:05.400
Look at this.

736
00:34:05.460 --> 00:34:05.880
Look at this.

737
00:34:05.940 --> 00:34:09.179
So this is Deanna going into Thad's room where Picard's going to

738
00:34:09.179 --> 00:34:13.500
have a nap and she has to steal herself before she does it.

739
00:34:13.559 --> 00:34:17.340
And when does she get to do that kind of acting on Star Trek?

740
00:34:17.460 --> 00:34:20.699
I mean, do you remember that dreadful episode of The Child where

741
00:34:20.699 --> 00:34:25.260
she literally has a baby in a day who grows up in a day and then

742
00:34:25.260 --> 00:34:26.219
dies in the day?

743
00:34:26.280 --> 00:34:29.099
And then the next week, we're doing the outrageous fucking

744
00:34:29.099 --> 00:34:30.480
O'Connor or something like that.

745
00:34:30.539 --> 00:34:31.920
Gotten all about it.

746
00:34:31.980 --> 00:34:34.619
Finally, you know, emotional consequences.

747
00:34:34.679 --> 00:34:35.460
Yeah.

748
00:34:35.519 --> 00:34:36.360
Look at that.

749
00:34:36.360 --> 00:34:38.579
So this is out playing that, you know?

750
00:34:38.639 --> 00:34:39.360
That's right.

751
00:34:39.420 --> 00:34:39.960
That's right.

752
00:34:40.079 --> 00:34:42.780
And that, look at that.

753
00:34:42.840 --> 00:34:46.800
There's such reality to this, the old friends meeting after

754
00:34:46.800 --> 00:34:47.579
decades.

755
00:34:47.639 --> 00:34:49.860
It really properly.

756
00:34:49.980 --> 00:34:51.539
Look at the picture of Picard and the baby.

757
00:34:51.599 --> 00:34:53.639
No, it's adorable, isn't it?

758
00:34:53.639 --> 00:34:54.780
Proud grandfather.

759
00:34:54.900 --> 00:34:57.539
Oh, we're fine really.

760
00:34:57.599 --> 00:35:01.980
Oh Yeah it's really sad.

761
00:35:02.099 --> 00:35:03.420
Oh, do you know what, Nathan?

762
00:35:03.420 --> 00:35:07.139
The more I'm watching this, the more I'm seeing missed

763
00:35:07.139 --> 00:35:08.760
opportunities and no 7 seasons.

764
00:35:08.820 --> 00:35:09.960
But look.

765
00:35:10.619 --> 00:35:14.760
Like when Picard says that it must be a different ache for you, is

766
00:35:14.760 --> 00:35:20.579
it is it watching Kestra slowly forget Thad that's heartbreaking

767
00:35:20.579 --> 00:35:20.880
for her?

768
00:35:20.940 --> 00:35:24.599
Or you can watch Kestra go through that grief.

769
00:35:24.719 --> 00:35:27.960
You can see the pain in Marina Those's face that.

770
00:35:28.019 --> 00:35:30.719
There are tears in her eyes the whole time she's talking.

771
00:35:30.840 --> 00:35:31.559
Yeah.

772
00:35:32.159 --> 00:35:35.460
I can only imagine what she thought when she got this script.

773
00:35:35.519 --> 00:35:36.719
She must have been like, yes.

774
00:35:36.780 --> 00:35:38.039
Yeah, yeah.

775
00:35:38.099 --> 00:35:40.320
No, do you want to do this thing?

776
00:35:40.380 --> 00:35:42.960
I would have done it anyway, but yes, definitely, you know.

777
00:35:43.019 --> 00:35:43.380
Yeah.

778
00:35:43.440 --> 00:35:45.960
Well, I mean she was always happy to come back, wasn't she?

779
00:35:46.019 --> 00:35:46.980
She's wonderful.

780
00:35:47.039 --> 00:35:48.360
Oh my goodness.

781
00:35:48.539 --> 00:35:54.300
But like, you know, think of the last time we saw Picard and Troy

782
00:35:54.300 --> 00:35:56.039
together in descent part two.

783
00:35:56.099 --> 00:36:00.059
Like, it's nowhere near on this level, was it?

784
00:36:00.119 --> 00:36:04.199
It was nowhere near a sophisticated, written, acted, you know

785
00:36:04.199 --> 00:36:05.820
characterised.

786
00:36:05.880 --> 00:36:06.300
Yeah.

787
00:36:06.360 --> 00:36:09.659
I actually am coming to the conclusion.

788
00:36:09.719 --> 00:36:11.460
I've probably watched in preparation for this.

789
00:36:11.519 --> 00:36:13.260
I probably watched half of the series.

790
00:36:13.440 --> 00:36:16.260
And I think that this is properly good.

791
00:36:16.320 --> 00:36:19.679
And I do think that it's not without its problems, but I think

792
00:36:19.679 --> 00:36:22.139
this is a good show.

793
00:36:22.199 --> 00:36:23.460
Yeah, yeah.

794
00:36:23.519 --> 00:36:25.019
I love the cast.

795
00:36:25.079 --> 00:36:25.739
I love the ship.

796
00:36:25.800 --> 00:36:27.539
I think it's smartly written.

797
00:36:27.780 --> 00:36:30.719
I think interesting things are happening.

798
00:36:30.840 --> 00:36:33.599
I don't think that every element works.

799
00:36:33.659 --> 00:36:38.940
But, you know, I think this bit, this B plot works really well.

800
00:36:39.000 --> 00:36:43.380
So they're being pursued by Narek, who is able to track them

801
00:36:43.380 --> 00:36:49.260
because of the, um, the pill that Agnes ate in the flashback just

802
00:36:49.260 --> 00:36:49.559
now.

803
00:36:49.619 --> 00:36:57.599
Um, And Agnes is kind of losing her shit because she knows, and

804
00:36:57.599 --> 00:37:01.199
again, it's all in the acting, we're not told, but she's aware

805
00:37:01.199 --> 00:37:06.960
that the reason that Narek is able to track them is because of the

806
00:37:06.960 --> 00:37:08.340
traces she took.

807
00:37:08.760 --> 00:37:13.320
I, I, I, disagree to an extent.

808
00:37:13.380 --> 00:37:17.579
I think, because the Kurtzman trait that I struggle with the

809
00:37:17.579 --> 00:37:17.820
most.

810
00:37:17.880 --> 00:37:18.780
Right.

811
00:37:18.780 --> 00:37:23.400
Um, and I think it's because my preference is kind of uh, one off

812
00:37:23.400 --> 00:37:27.420
episodes rather than uh, uh, a longer arc.

813
00:37:27.480 --> 00:37:33.599
And I do think occasionally it portrays that kind of trek ideal of

814
00:37:33.599 --> 00:37:37.079
of being optimistic and sometimes it is income.

815
00:37:37.139 --> 00:37:39.179
There's one episode and I know you like it.

816
00:37:39.900 --> 00:37:43.380
Stardust, City, Rag, or something.

817
00:37:43.440 --> 00:37:43.920
Yeah.

818
00:37:43.920 --> 00:37:44.460
Yeah.

819
00:37:44.519 --> 00:37:47.099
And it's just nasty as hell.

820
00:37:47.099 --> 00:37:50.820
And it's, it's, it just doesn't feel like Star Trek at all.

821
00:37:50.880 --> 00:37:55.739
I think they get somewhere good in the 1st series. and I think it

822
00:37:55.739 --> 00:37:58.860
has great individual moments and I think this is a very strong

823
00:37:58.860 --> 00:37:59.460
episode.

824
00:37:59.519 --> 00:38:00.420
Yeah.

825
00:38:00.420 --> 00:38:04.260
But I do have a lot of problems with Sirius one.

826
00:38:04.320 --> 00:38:04.800
I do.

827
00:38:04.860 --> 00:38:08.400
Well, I think that there are longer, so I think it does have

828
00:38:08.400 --> 00:38:09.360
pacing issues.

829
00:38:09.420 --> 00:38:14.400
But watching it through the 2nd time, it was a lot clearer what

830
00:38:14.400 --> 00:38:15.599
everything was trying to do.

831
00:38:16.019 --> 00:38:20.519
Whereas, the 1st time it's like a... in the face.

832
00:38:20.579 --> 00:38:21.539
Yeah, yeah.

833
00:38:21.599 --> 00:38:25.800
And the 2nd time you can just sort of lean into what they're

834
00:38:25.800 --> 00:38:26.280
trying to do.

835
00:38:26.340 --> 00:38:28.380
And how well they're doing it at times.

836
00:38:28.440 --> 00:38:29.880
I will maintain.

837
00:38:29.940 --> 00:38:31.500
I think that 1st episode is very strong.

838
00:38:31.619 --> 00:38:35.639
I think too, though, even though it is dark, it's fun as well.

839
00:38:35.699 --> 00:38:41.099
Like it doesn't forget to have fun and most episodes have, like, I

840
00:38:41.099 --> 00:38:44.880
think this bit of the plot, even though this is super dark.

841
00:38:44.940 --> 00:38:52.079
Um, You know, Agnes has betrayed them, has been kind of convinced

842
00:38:52.079 --> 00:38:55.199
to betray them, and is fully aware of that now.

843
00:38:55.260 --> 00:38:56.639
Is it cake?

844
00:38:57.119 --> 00:38:58.860
I'm sorry.

845
00:38:58.920 --> 00:39:02.159
In this moment, she is me.

846
00:39:02.219 --> 00:39:05.340
Because this would be my reaction to any stressing situation, to

847
00:39:05.340 --> 00:39:06.900
go and get a red of a cake.

848
00:39:06.960 --> 00:39:08.099
That is so adorable.

849
00:39:08.159 --> 00:39:10.679
It's such a, like a little childish thing.

850
00:39:10.739 --> 00:39:14.039
I thought Raffi was offering her drugs because I'm pretty sure

851
00:39:14.039 --> 00:39:16.739
she's vaping marijuana in that thing.

852
00:39:16.860 --> 00:39:19.380
And I think that that's intentional.

853
00:39:19.679 --> 00:39:22.559
Oh, this, and just as seen as well.

854
00:39:22.619 --> 00:39:26.039
Do you remember in next gen, how you'd have dialogue scenes and

855
00:39:26.039 --> 00:39:29.340
yeah, your favourite, where you'd have 2 people facing the camera

856
00:39:29.340 --> 00:39:31.079
or it would just be so stagey.

857
00:39:31.139 --> 00:39:33.900
Like he's making a pizza throughout this entire scene.

858
00:39:34.019 --> 00:39:37.139
It's something kind of realistic that you would do whilst having a

859
00:39:37.139 --> 00:39:37.500
conversation.

860
00:39:37.559 --> 00:39:40.860
But I also think as well.

861
00:39:40.920 --> 00:39:45.780
The dialogue tends to be super awkward on Star Trek when it's not

862
00:39:45.780 --> 00:39:47.400
sort of techno babble.

863
00:39:47.460 --> 00:39:50.099
Like anytime where they're trying to interact with one another

864
00:39:50.099 --> 00:39:51.360
never quite comes off.

865
00:39:51.420 --> 00:39:54.659
And I think partly it's the acting, but I also think it's just the

866
00:39:54.659 --> 00:39:57.539
lack of kind of naturalism in the dialogue.

867
00:39:57.659 --> 00:40:00.059
They're trying to be people from the future.

868
00:40:00.119 --> 00:40:01.739
Whereas this...

869
00:40:01.739 --> 00:40:02.159
You know what?

870
00:40:02.159 --> 00:40:02.940
I've got to say something.

871
00:40:02.940 --> 00:40:04.619
You know I'm going to say something.

872
00:40:04.679 --> 00:40:05.340
I'm not going to say it.

873
00:40:05.400 --> 00:40:06.659
I can't say it too many.

874
00:40:06.719 --> 00:40:08.519
I do think they get there.

875
00:40:08.579 --> 00:40:09.480
They do get there.

876
00:40:09.539 --> 00:40:10.500
I think they do.

877
00:40:10.559 --> 00:40:12.000
I think I think they do as well.

878
00:40:12.300 --> 00:40:16.980
But even this stuff, the Vavine thing, you know, like it's so, it's

879
00:40:16.980 --> 00:40:19.500
you know, kids do invent languages.

880
00:40:19.739 --> 00:40:21.780
It is a thing that happens.

881
00:40:21.840 --> 00:40:22.800
Why did that?

882
00:40:22.800 --> 00:40:27.960
You know that thing where you, uh, like you would be, A for Nay

883
00:40:27.960 --> 00:40:30.179
where you take off the 1st...

884
00:40:30.239 --> 00:40:30.420
Yeah.

885
00:40:32.639 --> 00:40:35.159
I've like, oh, yay.

886
00:40:40.019 --> 00:40:45.780
And I love this reaction where Soji drops that Kestra said that

887
00:40:45.780 --> 00:40:50.340
her dad said that Picard was the greatest captain ever and Picard

888
00:40:50.340 --> 00:40:54.599
smiles and looks over at him.

889
00:40:54.659 --> 00:40:55.320
It's wonderful.

890
00:40:55.800 --> 00:40:57.780
Speaking of drinking.

891
00:40:57.780 --> 00:40:59.340
I think episode is, I think it's episode two.

892
00:40:59.400 --> 00:41:02.400
It might be episode one. where they find the sign that's Captain

893
00:41:02.400 --> 00:41:07.920
Picard. reaction when all the kids were making.

894
00:41:07.980 --> 00:41:08.760
Oh, wonderful.

895
00:41:08.760 --> 00:41:11.460
They do have Captain Freeman Day on lower decks.

896
00:41:11.519 --> 00:41:14.039
Oh, no, no, no.

897
00:41:14.039 --> 00:41:15.659
It's marvellous.

898
00:41:15.719 --> 00:41:17.099
And you know what?

899
00:41:17.159 --> 00:41:19.500
Like, like, this is, for me, you know, I've complained about

900
00:41:19.500 --> 00:41:22.079
nostalgia, Kazmine Trait, but they do it a bit too bad.

901
00:41:22.199 --> 00:41:24.780
This is just, this was needed.

902
00:41:24.840 --> 00:41:25.619
Yeah.

903
00:41:25.679 --> 00:41:30.059
Well, in fact, so this episode is called Nepenthe, and Nepenthe is

904
00:41:30.059 --> 00:41:31.619
a, is from a Greek word.

905
00:41:31.679 --> 00:41:33.780
It's actually mentioned in the Odyssey.

906
00:41:33.840 --> 00:41:36.539
You know anything about Greek, Nathan?

907
00:41:36.599 --> 00:41:37.559
A little bit.

908
00:41:37.920 --> 00:41:44.579
And it's related etymologically to the word pathos, pathos.

909
00:41:44.760 --> 00:41:47.039
But it means pain.

910
00:41:47.099 --> 00:41:50.940
Like strong negative emotions, pain or suffering.

911
00:41:51.000 --> 00:41:53.159
No, it means removal of that.

912
00:41:53.219 --> 00:41:54.239
Forgetfulness.

913
00:41:54.360 --> 00:41:59.280
It's a drug. that is given that allows you to forget your pain.

914
00:41:59.340 --> 00:42:04.679
And that's what this is, that he just gets to hang out with his

915
00:42:04.679 --> 00:42:10.019
friends and have pizza and chat and experience their love.

916
00:42:10.019 --> 00:42:12.719
This shouldn't be what Star Trek is about at all.

917
00:42:12.780 --> 00:42:14.940
It's supposed to be going off and explore, but this is like the

918
00:42:14.940 --> 00:42:15.659
best of the season.

919
00:42:15.719 --> 00:42:16.800
They're just hanging out.

920
00:42:16.860 --> 00:42:18.420
He's making a pizza.

921
00:42:18.480 --> 00:42:20.159
It's wonderful.

922
00:42:20.639 --> 00:42:24.659
It is wonderful, but it's not just vamping.

923
00:42:24.719 --> 00:42:27.480
It's not just spinning, it's weird.

924
00:42:27.539 --> 00:42:28.980
Well, soji's there as well, isn't it?

925
00:42:29.039 --> 00:42:30.420
Well, that's right.

926
00:42:30.480 --> 00:42:34.500
So it's about Soji learning to, because it's not just Picard.

927
00:42:34.559 --> 00:42:37.380
It's not just for Picard that this is Nepenthe.

928
00:42:37.440 --> 00:42:39.059
It's for Soji as well.

929
00:42:39.119 --> 00:42:41.940
But we love these people, don't we?

930
00:42:42.000 --> 00:42:44.099
So when we just want to be with them, you know?

931
00:42:44.159 --> 00:42:46.619
we want to be with them when they're written this well as well.

932
00:42:46.679 --> 00:42:47.400
Yeah, yeah.

933
00:42:47.400 --> 00:42:49.260
Oh, I love this machine of tomato.

934
00:42:49.320 --> 00:42:51.179
It's beautiful, is it?

935
00:42:51.239 --> 00:42:52.199
How does she eat food though?

936
00:42:52.260 --> 00:42:53.099
She's a sim.

937
00:42:53.159 --> 00:42:57.179
Oh, you know, like Bruce Maddox is very careful, very clever.

938
00:42:57.239 --> 00:43:00.840
Mucus, bile, gastric juices.

939
00:43:00.900 --> 00:43:02.639
She digest it and excrete it as well.

940
00:43:02.699 --> 00:43:03.239
I think so.

941
00:43:03.300 --> 00:43:06.840
I think she would have noticed in the last 3 years if she was

942
00:43:06.840 --> 00:43:13.199
taking a crap. specifically going to mention that, but yeah.

943
00:43:13.920 --> 00:43:16.860
Gosh, Marina say it looks so gorgeous.

944
00:43:16.920 --> 00:43:17.400
Yeah.

945
00:43:17.400 --> 00:43:18.480
You know what?

946
00:43:18.539 --> 00:43:21.659
Well, we very, very rarely in Berber trip would get this much

947
00:43:21.659 --> 00:43:22.980
location work in an episode as well.

948
00:43:23.039 --> 00:43:24.239
No, that's right.

949
00:43:24.300 --> 00:43:24.840
Yeah.

950
00:43:24.900 --> 00:43:27.000
And there's a lot of location work.

951
00:43:27.059 --> 00:43:32.820
Like the only set we've had so far as the Borg cube and um, The TV

952
00:43:32.820 --> 00:43:35.820
has come along quite a bit in the last 20 years, isn't it?

953
00:43:35.880 --> 00:43:36.239
Yeah.

954
00:43:37.139 --> 00:43:40.019
The mind witches of the sudden eyes.

955
00:43:40.079 --> 00:43:42.119
I know, it's beautiful, isn't it?

956
00:43:42.659 --> 00:43:45.119
How many?

957
00:43:45.119 --> 00:43:46.679
11 languages.

958
00:43:46.739 --> 00:43:48.960
They must have never known what the bloody hell we were talking

959
00:43:48.960 --> 00:43:49.260
about.

960
00:43:49.320 --> 00:43:51.119
The butterflies.

961
00:43:51.179 --> 00:43:53.880
But look, look how she's, she's smiling.

962
00:43:54.179 --> 00:43:57.840
You know, she's starting to thaw.

963
00:43:57.900 --> 00:44:00.179
And it's...

964
00:44:00.179 --> 00:44:04.500
There are sort of space reasons for her thinking that this isn't

965
00:44:04.500 --> 00:44:06.420
real because her childhood's not real.

966
00:44:06.480 --> 00:44:07.380
It's all fake.

967
00:44:07.440 --> 00:44:13.019
And we've seen people put in holodecks and simulations and strung

968
00:44:13.019 --> 00:44:14.400
up to machines and all of that.

969
00:44:14.460 --> 00:44:18.599
And so it's not unreasonable for her to think this isn't real

970
00:44:18.599 --> 00:44:19.260
either.

971
00:44:19.320 --> 00:44:21.000
She's got nothing.

972
00:44:21.179 --> 00:44:23.699
And she's just been betrayed by Narek.

973
00:44:23.760 --> 00:44:26.039
Oh, this bit too.

974
00:44:26.400 --> 00:44:30.000
So Thad dies of a curable disease.

975
00:44:31.139 --> 00:44:32.340
As a result of the...

976
00:44:32.340 --> 00:44:34.320
Because electronic brains were available, they would have been

977
00:44:34.320 --> 00:44:35.159
able to cure it.

978
00:44:35.219 --> 00:44:38.940
So that ties again into the arc of the synths being banned.

979
00:44:39.000 --> 00:44:40.380
That's right.

980
00:44:40.440 --> 00:44:41.099
That's clever.

981
00:44:41.159 --> 00:44:46.739
It's very clever The cost, you know, just the personal cost to

982
00:44:46.739 --> 00:44:47.159
them.

983
00:44:47.219 --> 00:44:52.199
And I do think that that, you know, Dr. Ben there, you know, she

984
00:44:52.199 --> 00:44:53.400
can bring people back from the dead.

985
00:44:53.460 --> 00:44:55.980
I really want her to be in season 12.

986
00:44:56.340 --> 00:44:57.659
Season 2 of this.

987
00:44:57.719 --> 00:44:58.920
I would actually, do you know what?

988
00:44:58.980 --> 00:45:03.000
I was a bit predictable, but I would love for her and Picard to

989
00:45:03.000 --> 00:45:04.019
speak together by the end.

990
00:45:04.079 --> 00:45:05.460
That would be...

991
00:45:05.519 --> 00:45:07.739
Oh, because we know they do get together in all good things, they

992
00:45:07.739 --> 00:45:08.039
say.

993
00:45:08.099 --> 00:45:12.599
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's true. after the 7 seasons of next year, of

994
00:45:12.599 --> 00:45:12.780
course.

995
00:45:12.840 --> 00:45:13.739
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

996
00:45:13.800 --> 00:45:15.719
Heaven forbid they had any character development.

997
00:45:15.780 --> 00:45:17.099
No, exactly.

998
00:45:17.159 --> 00:45:18.119
They do it in...

999
00:45:18.179 --> 00:45:20.340
Well, it's like, um...

1000
00:45:20.400 --> 00:45:21.059
But you know what this is?

1001
00:45:21.119 --> 00:45:24.119
This is 7 seasons of courage development within a single episode.

1002
00:45:24.780 --> 00:45:26.820
It's madness.

1003
00:45:26.940 --> 00:45:28.739
I mean, this is so good.

1004
00:45:28.800 --> 00:45:32.340
This is a sort of exposition scene in a sense because, you know, if

1005
00:45:32.340 --> 00:45:35.820
you didn't tune in last week, here's what just happened to her.

1006
00:45:35.880 --> 00:45:42.420
But the way the actor, you know, the way that she plays it, how

1007
00:45:42.420 --> 00:45:47.400
real it feels, and look at that, Deanna reaches out to touch her

1008
00:45:47.400 --> 00:45:52.559
but super tentatively, it's so nice, and she's starting to warm

1009
00:45:52.559 --> 00:45:56.699
because it's Deanna, because Deanna is good at this, in a way that

1010
00:45:56.699 --> 00:45:59.460
we don't run away. does she run away?

1011
00:45:59.519 --> 00:46:04.019
From here, from this conversation. from the house later on.

1012
00:46:04.679 --> 00:46:06.360
No, no.

1013
00:46:06.420 --> 00:46:07.739
Doesn't she?

1014
00:46:07.800 --> 00:46:09.059
No, no, no, no.

1015
00:46:09.119 --> 00:46:15.059
She goes off when when Riker and and Picard come in.

1016
00:46:15.119 --> 00:46:18.599
So she does run off, but she doesn't run away from the house or

1017
00:46:18.599 --> 00:46:19.139
anything.

1018
00:46:19.199 --> 00:46:24.480
And it is, she doesn't want to let herself, that's the thing.

1019
00:46:24.539 --> 00:46:29.219
She doesn't want to let herself let her guard down, let herself be

1020
00:46:29.219 --> 00:46:30.059
okay about this.

1021
00:46:30.179 --> 00:46:34.860
And then Picard comes in and is a bit of a prick, you know, like

1022
00:46:34.860 --> 00:46:37.860
he comes in and says, oh, yes, of course, this is a simulation and

1023
00:46:37.860 --> 00:46:42.000
stuff, and it's absolutely the opposite of what he needs to hear

1024
00:46:42.000 --> 00:46:42.719
she needs to hear.

1025
00:46:42.780 --> 00:46:46.079
And this bit, that's a bit where Picard's frail and vulnerable.

1026
00:46:46.139 --> 00:46:49.980
She just walks past and brushes into him and he stumbled.

1027
00:46:50.039 --> 00:46:53.820
I mean, they shouldn't pretend that he's a virile man.

1028
00:46:53.880 --> 00:46:55.739
I think it's that's good.

1029
00:46:55.800 --> 00:46:57.000
That is good.

1030
00:46:57.119 --> 00:47:00.000
You know, there's a story about Marina Sertis, I have to tell you

1031
00:47:00.000 --> 00:47:01.320
which I really, really love.

1032
00:47:01.380 --> 00:47:04.440
And it's about her relationship with her mother.

1033
00:47:04.440 --> 00:47:11.099
And she is openly says, you know, it was a tough relationship.

1034
00:47:11.099 --> 00:47:15.840
And basically no matter what she did work wise, it was never

1035
00:47:15.840 --> 00:47:18.719
enough for her mother and her mother came down hard on her when

1036
00:47:18.719 --> 00:47:20.280
she took on the role in the next gin.

1037
00:47:20.340 --> 00:47:22.920
You know, like it was an embarrassment.

1038
00:47:22.980 --> 00:47:28.860
And essentially, she, um, emancipated, like she, she just broke

1039
00:47:28.860 --> 00:47:29.760
free of her mother.

1040
00:47:29.820 --> 00:47:33.179
And, you know, at this point in her career.

1041
00:47:33.239 --> 00:47:37.019
I mean, she is absolutely ridden away with success for this show

1042
00:47:37.019 --> 00:47:37.500
hasn't she?

1043
00:47:37.559 --> 00:47:38.519
Star Trek.

1044
00:47:39.360 --> 00:47:43.260
And I'm not sure what's happening with her mother now, but...

1045
00:47:43.260 --> 00:47:44.820
She's probably no longer with us.

1046
00:47:44.880 --> 00:47:47.219
I'm saying she should be very proud.

1047
00:47:47.280 --> 00:47:51.539
She's, you know, she's stuck it out in a pretty thankless role for

1048
00:47:51.539 --> 00:47:51.840
7 years.

1049
00:47:51.900 --> 00:47:52.800
Yeah, yeah.

1050
00:47:52.860 --> 00:47:56.579
But I mean, this scene too, where she tells him off, where she

1051
00:47:56.579 --> 00:48:00.599
just says, that was stupid, you know, coming in and saying that

1052
00:48:00.599 --> 00:48:03.480
was stupid and was exactly the wrong thing to say, and you

1053
00:48:03.480 --> 00:48:04.440
deserved that.

1054
00:48:04.500 --> 00:48:07.139
And she had a few moments like that.

1055
00:48:07.199 --> 00:48:09.960
And the next generation where she would contradict Picard or she

1056
00:48:09.960 --> 00:48:11.579
would kind of go for him.

1057
00:48:11.639 --> 00:48:14.159
It was nowhere near as definitely real as this.

1058
00:48:14.219 --> 00:48:15.480
No that's right.

1059
00:48:16.019 --> 00:48:17.760
Look at her.

1060
00:48:17.820 --> 00:48:19.500
That's how you, Jean Luke.

1061
00:48:19.559 --> 00:48:23.039
Pretend there are dinner table.

1062
00:48:23.039 --> 00:48:25.559
They should have said the observation lounge, though, I think.

1063
00:48:27.059 --> 00:48:30.179
We'll find a way forward together, she says.

1064
00:48:30.239 --> 00:48:31.019
Yeah.

1065
00:48:31.019 --> 00:48:33.539
Oh, yeah, I mean, that's Kurtzman Trek as well.

1066
00:48:33.599 --> 00:48:34.679
That's what that's about.

1067
00:48:34.739 --> 00:48:36.480
I've just forgotten.

1068
00:48:36.539 --> 00:48:38.400
He comes along at the end, doesn't he?

1069
00:48:38.460 --> 00:48:38.820
Riker?

1070
00:48:39.179 --> 00:48:40.860
Yes.

1071
00:48:40.920 --> 00:48:43.019
In the last episode in a ship, in the middle of the battle.

1072
00:48:43.559 --> 00:48:47.699
There was a black screen, then, and I thought things had gone

1073
00:48:47.699 --> 00:48:49.980
horribly wrong, but it was just the ad break.

1074
00:48:50.039 --> 00:48:53.639
We have known to have the old technical issue.

1075
00:48:53.699 --> 00:48:58.980
So here's Eleanor and Hugh again and Hugh is obviously heartbroken

1076
00:48:58.980 --> 00:49:01.860
because of all of his XBs were killed in that sort of really rough

1077
00:49:01.860 --> 00:49:03.719
scene before the opening credits.

1078
00:49:03.780 --> 00:49:07.500
And now they're going to escape and here's Narissa.

1079
00:49:07.559 --> 00:49:11.639
I've got a question about this, about the nature of this series

1080
00:49:11.639 --> 00:49:15.780
being like a condensed arc with different chapters.

1081
00:49:15.900 --> 00:49:19.320
Like, do you think this excludes the casual viewer that's just

1082
00:49:19.320 --> 00:49:20.159
going to dip in and out?

1083
00:49:20.219 --> 00:49:22.980
Yeah, I think it's not intended for that at all.

1084
00:49:23.039 --> 00:49:29.219
And because it's streamed, you could wait and binge it, he just

1085
00:49:29.219 --> 00:49:31.619
said choose to live in Romulan.

1086
00:49:31.619 --> 00:49:32.699
Did you see that?

1087
00:49:32.760 --> 00:49:36.960
And that's what the um, Kawat Malat say to one another before

1088
00:49:36.960 --> 00:49:39.659
attacking, say to you before they attack you.

1089
00:49:39.719 --> 00:49:43.320
And there was a discovery episode just recently called choose to

1090
00:49:43.320 --> 00:49:43.800
live.

1091
00:49:43.920 --> 00:49:48.360
So that's what the Romulan truth nuns say before they attack you.

1092
00:49:48.420 --> 00:49:50.400
Nathan, this is rather our thing.

1093
00:49:50.460 --> 00:49:52.980
But have you noticed how dramatic the lighting is in this scene?

1094
00:49:53.039 --> 00:49:54.300
It's so good.

1095
00:49:54.360 --> 00:49:55.679
So good.

1096
00:49:55.739 --> 00:49:58.139
I mean, there's no reason why they can't just have a 1000 fucking

1097
00:49:58.139 --> 00:50:00.480
bulbs in a ball cube to light up the whole thing.

1098
00:50:00.539 --> 00:50:02.940
But it's far more dramatic this way.

1099
00:50:03.000 --> 00:50:09.300
Uh, just, just kill him, Elanor, you sweet boy.

1100
00:50:09.900 --> 00:50:12.239
Oh, she's so good.

1101
00:50:12.300 --> 00:50:15.480
I think she is a really terrific villain, actually.

1102
00:50:15.539 --> 00:50:16.559
I'm a big fan.

1103
00:50:16.619 --> 00:50:19.019
I tend to like it when there's a female villain, they.

1104
00:50:19.139 --> 00:50:19.920
Yeah, yeah.

1105
00:50:19.980 --> 00:50:20.820
She's awesome.

1106
00:50:21.840 --> 00:50:27.840
I'm not sold on Elnor's series 2 hair, I have to say, in the

1107
00:50:27.840 --> 00:50:28.139
trailer.

1108
00:50:28.199 --> 00:50:30.539
If you watch the trailer, you, you couldn't find him in it.

1109
00:50:30.599 --> 00:50:31.559
Is that because his hair was different?

1110
00:50:31.619 --> 00:50:35.280
Yeah, well, no, no, no, but he has much worse hair and I love this

1111
00:50:35.280 --> 00:50:37.019
long kind of legolass hair.

1112
00:50:37.079 --> 00:50:37.920
Oh, here there's Hugh.

1113
00:50:37.980 --> 00:50:39.119
Why what have they done to his hair?

1114
00:50:39.179 --> 00:50:41.820
It's sort of a bit more, it's shorter and a bit curlier.

1115
00:50:41.880 --> 00:50:42.960
I've gotta be honest.

1116
00:50:43.019 --> 00:50:44.340
That 2nd season looks really fun.

1117
00:50:44.400 --> 00:50:45.539
Yeah, definitely.

1118
00:50:45.539 --> 00:50:46.800
That is great.

1119
00:50:46.860 --> 00:50:50.940
That was so good where he pulls the knife out of Hugh's neck and

1120
00:50:50.940 --> 00:50:55.199
just flings it straight at Narissa, who only escapes by beaming

1121
00:50:55.199 --> 00:50:55.980
out in time.

1122
00:50:56.039 --> 00:51:03.599
I think killing Hugh is a mistake and it's, we'll get killing

1123
00:51:03.599 --> 00:51:04.920
Echeb next week.

1124
00:51:05.039 --> 00:51:07.320
No, no, no, the week after.

1125
00:51:07.380 --> 00:51:09.059
Oh, has it already happened?

1126
00:51:09.119 --> 00:51:12.840
Because 7... next week. female villains.

1127
00:51:12.900 --> 00:51:15.059
Do you remember that female villain in the Stardust episode?

1128
00:51:15.119 --> 00:51:18.840
who looked very like Counsellor Troy back in the next generation.

1129
00:51:19.139 --> 00:51:23.159
And she and there was this implication that she'd been, oh, fucking

1130
00:51:23.159 --> 00:51:24.179
with 7 and 9.

1131
00:51:24.239 --> 00:51:26.039
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1132
00:51:26.159 --> 00:51:27.420
She was amazingly camp.

1133
00:51:27.480 --> 00:51:27.780
It was one.

1134
00:51:27.840 --> 00:51:30.300
It was like Ardra from that TNG episode coming.

1135
00:51:30.360 --> 00:51:31.019
All right.

1136
00:51:31.079 --> 00:51:31.860
Here's the cake scene.

1137
00:51:31.920 --> 00:51:32.820
Oh, look at that.

1138
00:51:32.880 --> 00:51:34.739
That's what gas make, that is.

1139
00:51:34.800 --> 00:51:38.940
I love how the replicators do the 3D printer special effect now.

1140
00:51:39.059 --> 00:51:43.800
You know, like the, you know, our technology's advanced and so it

1141
00:51:43.800 --> 00:51:44.699
doesn't just...

1142
00:51:44.760 --> 00:51:46.619
People aren't going to be vaping in the future, you know?

1143
00:51:46.679 --> 00:51:48.119
She's vaping weed.

1144
00:51:48.179 --> 00:51:50.579
That feels like a very contemporary touch.

1145
00:51:50.639 --> 00:51:52.199
Well, he's smoking a cigar.

1146
00:51:52.260 --> 00:51:52.860
I like it.

1147
00:51:52.980 --> 00:51:54.659
I think it should be contemporary.

1148
00:51:54.719 --> 00:51:57.420
You know, I don't I don't think this is the future.

1149
00:51:57.480 --> 00:52:01.199
This is a TV show that took place last year and I think it needs

1150
00:52:01.199 --> 00:52:02.159
to be contemporary.

1151
00:52:02.219 --> 00:52:05.219
Part of the problem with NextGen was that it was never

1152
00:52:05.219 --> 00:52:06.059
contemporary.

1153
00:52:06.179 --> 00:52:07.920
I like that, though.

1154
00:52:07.980 --> 00:52:10.679
I like that you could vanish off into that into the future.

1155
00:52:10.800 --> 00:52:12.539
Or that it makes the future.

1156
00:52:12.599 --> 00:52:14.159
It makes the character seem less real.

1157
00:52:14.219 --> 00:52:16.920
Well, and it's dated the whole thing terribly now as well.

1158
00:52:16.980 --> 00:52:17.579
Yeah, yeah.

1159
00:52:17.639 --> 00:52:20.579
Oh, this line, a good person.

1160
00:52:20.639 --> 00:52:22.380
I not a good person in an emergency.

1161
00:52:22.440 --> 00:52:24.599
I could slap together a good person.

1162
00:52:24.719 --> 00:52:29.039
And it's such a clever line and look at her reaction.

1163
00:52:29.099 --> 00:52:30.960
How I felt most days, you know.

1164
00:52:31.019 --> 00:52:32.880
Oh, so good.

1165
00:52:32.940 --> 00:52:34.619
And she goes, is it Chris?

1166
00:52:34.679 --> 00:52:36.840
I just can't watch people vomit in.

1167
00:52:36.900 --> 00:52:37.320
I'm sorry.

1168
00:52:37.380 --> 00:52:38.699
I know it's coming.

1169
00:52:39.179 --> 00:52:43.440
I love her hair, you know, Raffi.

1170
00:52:43.500 --> 00:52:46.199
Oh, yeah, yeah. with the braids.

1171
00:52:46.260 --> 00:52:47.039
Yeah.

1172
00:52:47.039 --> 00:52:48.059
Yeah.

1173
00:52:48.119 --> 00:52:51.000
But is it, are you sad because you boned Chris?

1174
00:52:51.059 --> 00:52:52.980
Because you boned Rios.

1175
00:52:53.039 --> 00:52:54.599
It kind of like are you kidding me?

1176
00:52:55.199 --> 00:52:57.539
Oh my word.

1177
00:52:57.599 --> 00:52:59.519
Are you saying you wouldn't go up to her?

1178
00:52:59.940 --> 00:53:01.380
Oh my god, look at him.

1179
00:53:01.440 --> 00:53:02.820
Although, I don't know.

1180
00:53:02.880 --> 00:53:03.599
I think the English one.

1181
00:53:03.659 --> 00:53:04.980
The English accent, yes.

1182
00:53:05.039 --> 00:53:06.239
The EMH.

1183
00:53:06.300 --> 00:53:09.659
Well, each of the holograms has a different accent.

1184
00:53:09.719 --> 00:53:11.280
So the emergency.

1185
00:53:11.280 --> 00:53:11.820
Is he English?

1186
00:53:11.880 --> 00:53:12.900
Was he American?

1187
00:53:12.960 --> 00:53:14.400
I think he's American.

1188
00:53:14.460 --> 00:53:16.139
That a good English accent.

1189
00:53:16.199 --> 00:53:17.760
Yeah, he does a good English accent.

1190
00:53:17.820 --> 00:53:22.920
So the bunny corn, which we saw, we actually saw the bunny, and it

1191
00:53:22.920 --> 00:53:27.480
is, I think, a reference to the dog from original Trek, because

1192
00:53:27.480 --> 00:53:30.840
it's a bunny, but it has a horn in the middle.

1193
00:53:30.900 --> 00:53:33.539
And that's why they're called bunny corns.

1194
00:53:33.599 --> 00:53:35.579
All I can remember is George Decay.

1195
00:53:35.579 --> 00:53:38.219
Trying to wrestle that very unimpressed form.

1196
00:53:38.280 --> 00:53:40.559
Poor dog. so happy about it.

1197
00:53:40.619 --> 00:53:41.760
Have you noticed?

1198
00:53:41.880 --> 00:53:43.320
He only gave more one slice of pizza.

1199
00:53:43.380 --> 00:53:47.400
Yeah, that seems like that's just not enough.

1200
00:53:47.460 --> 00:53:49.679
Ah, he's wood burn it.

1201
00:53:49.739 --> 00:53:51.179
He's done it in a wood burning oven.

1202
00:53:51.239 --> 00:53:52.320
Oh, it's the best.

1203
00:53:52.320 --> 00:53:58.860
So Tyken's Rift is a reference to a shitty next generation

1204
00:53:58.860 --> 00:53:59.460
episode.

1205
00:53:59.519 --> 00:54:00.780
I can't remember which one.

1206
00:54:01.559 --> 00:54:04.559
Oh, it's it's Night Terrace.

1207
00:54:05.340 --> 00:54:06.780
No.

1208
00:54:06.780 --> 00:54:07.619
It is.

1209
00:54:07.679 --> 00:54:09.480
It's a reference to night terrace.

1210
00:54:09.539 --> 00:54:11.880
Eyes in the dark.

1211
00:54:11.940 --> 00:54:13.500
One minute, okay.

1212
00:54:14.340 --> 00:54:16.380
It's so good.

1213
00:54:16.440 --> 00:54:16.980
Do you know what?

1214
00:54:17.039 --> 00:54:18.840
Look at how well this is lit with all the candles.

1215
00:54:18.900 --> 00:54:21.000
And I keep going on about the lighting, but isn't it?

1216
00:54:21.780 --> 00:54:24.659
Well, Star Trek the Next Generation has very flat studio

1217
00:54:24.659 --> 00:54:25.320
lighting.

1218
00:54:25.380 --> 00:54:27.360
Well, we talked about that bit as well.

1219
00:54:27.420 --> 00:54:28.260
Yeah, yeah.

1220
00:54:28.320 --> 00:54:33.420
But they're lighting a lot from within the set rather than...

1221
00:54:33.420 --> 00:54:34.559
Yeah, practical lights.

1222
00:54:34.619 --> 00:54:34.800
Yeah.

1223
00:54:34.860 --> 00:54:41.039
I love this moment too, where she has told Narek this information

1224
00:54:41.039 --> 00:54:47.400
and then Picard asks about it, and she looks kind of stricken

1225
00:54:47.400 --> 00:54:50.460
because if this is a simulation or a torture thing to try and get

1226
00:54:50.460 --> 00:54:51.599
information out of her.

1227
00:54:51.659 --> 00:54:53.579
That's the information she has.

1228
00:54:53.579 --> 00:54:56.400
And then Picard backs off immediately.

1229
00:54:56.400 --> 00:55:04.019
And instead talks about the experience he had meeting Darge and a

1230
00:55:04.019 --> 00:55:07.860
little bit more about what happened to Darge.

1231
00:55:07.920 --> 00:55:10.139
Dodge, a very pretty boyfriend.

1232
00:55:10.199 --> 00:55:13.079
He was very pretty, he died very quickly, though, unfortunately.

1233
00:55:13.139 --> 00:55:15.659
That was a shocking knife across the room.

1234
00:55:15.659 --> 00:55:16.800
Straight into the wall.

1235
00:55:17.400 --> 00:55:20.219
I'm going to be a little bit facetious for a second.

1236
00:55:20.280 --> 00:55:24.119
But like we've talked about how dreadful Star Trek romance can be

1237
00:55:24.119 --> 00:55:24.300
right?

1238
00:55:24.360 --> 00:55:29.880
And, and, you know, things like Wharf and Troy kissing and, oh, God

1239
00:55:29.880 --> 00:55:32.519
you know, Jane Way and her holographic dildo and all this.

1240
00:55:32.579 --> 00:55:35.400
Oh, it's all, it's just not a very sexy show.

1241
00:55:35.460 --> 00:55:37.019
It's not very sexy.

1242
00:55:37.079 --> 00:55:41.460
Well, I'm telling you now, those scenes between Soji and the

1243
00:55:41.460 --> 00:55:43.320
English guy with the beard, the Romulan.

1244
00:55:43.380 --> 00:55:44.460
Anyway.

1245
00:55:44.519 --> 00:55:45.420
Really hot.

1246
00:55:45.480 --> 00:55:47.340
Like it's the hottest Star Trek's ever been.

1247
00:55:47.519 --> 00:55:49.860
Yeah, I do it.

1248
00:55:49.920 --> 00:55:51.119
Yeah, they can.

1249
00:55:51.179 --> 00:55:55.320
Well, actually, no, Burnham and what's his name?

1250
00:55:56.340 --> 00:55:57.840
Book.

1251
00:55:57.840 --> 00:55:58.679
Book.

1252
00:55:58.739 --> 00:55:59.820
Oh, that's hard as well.

1253
00:55:59.880 --> 00:56:01.559
They're a hot couple.

1254
00:56:01.619 --> 00:56:02.699
Yeah, he's gorgeous.

1255
00:56:02.760 --> 00:56:04.139
Her and Ash were pretty hot as well.

1256
00:56:04.199 --> 00:56:05.159
I really liked Ash.

1257
00:56:05.219 --> 00:56:06.719
I thought he was a very handsome man.

1258
00:56:07.019 --> 00:56:08.639
Yeah, yeah.

1259
00:56:08.639 --> 00:56:12.239
Chase this up to it back to Star Trek things, quick.

1260
00:56:12.300 --> 00:56:15.420
No, but I mean, the fact that Star Trek has brought sex back.

1261
00:56:15.480 --> 00:56:16.320
I think is good.

1262
00:56:16.380 --> 00:56:19.260
You know, it's super prudish otherwise.

1263
00:56:19.320 --> 00:56:23.820
Well, it was all a bit weird in the 90s, riser and all of that.

1264
00:56:23.880 --> 00:56:25.559
Oh, yeah, they were...

1265
00:56:25.619 --> 00:56:29.460
Well, and, you know, like, um, Roddenbury was a big horn bag and

1266
00:56:29.460 --> 00:56:31.559
sometimes that came...

1267
00:56:31.559 --> 00:56:34.320
I was, I was above all that, nonsense, because there was that

1268
00:56:34.320 --> 00:56:38.159
senior way of the warrior, where you've got Dax and Kira sitting

1269
00:56:38.159 --> 00:56:41.940
there in leotards in the trill spa and I'm like, I love that with

1270
00:56:41.940 --> 00:56:42.539
the hot men.

1271
00:56:42.599 --> 00:56:46.500
Well, yeah, I mean, I mean, they all look gorgeous, but it's

1272
00:56:46.500 --> 00:56:48.360
terribly exposed to the whole thing.

1273
00:56:48.420 --> 00:56:49.559
I don't mind that.

1274
00:56:50.460 --> 00:56:52.739
You just want to visit that spot.

1275
00:56:52.800 --> 00:56:54.179
Yeah, absolutely.

1276
00:56:54.239 --> 00:56:55.440
So here it is.

1277
00:56:55.440 --> 00:56:57.239
I want to visit Riker and Troy and have a pizza.

1278
00:56:57.300 --> 00:56:58.199
I do too.

1279
00:56:58.260 --> 00:56:59.760
Never thought I'd say that, you know.

1280
00:56:59.820 --> 00:57:00.659
Yeah, yeah.

1281
00:57:00.719 --> 00:57:03.840
So, so this is her.

1282
00:57:03.900 --> 00:57:04.860
She's opened up.

1283
00:57:04.920 --> 00:57:09.300
She's explained about the lightning and the moons, like what she

1284
00:57:09.300 --> 00:57:12.059
told Narek in the previous episode.

1285
00:57:13.079 --> 00:57:14.099
What is that?

1286
00:57:14.159 --> 00:57:15.059
I can't remember.

1287
00:57:15.119 --> 00:57:17.219
Is that is that the location of the synth planet?

1288
00:57:17.280 --> 00:57:18.000
Yeah, yeah.

1289
00:57:18.059 --> 00:57:18.480
Yeah.

1290
00:57:19.139 --> 00:57:19.739
So, Derek now?

1291
00:57:19.800 --> 00:57:20.820
That was hilarious.

1292
00:57:20.880 --> 00:57:24.480
That is the closest this gets to next gen. telling you.

1293
00:57:24.539 --> 00:57:26.099
It's wonderful. like it.

1294
00:57:26.159 --> 00:57:27.900
It's a dreadful old next gen planet.

1295
00:57:27.960 --> 00:57:28.860
A bit like descent.

1296
00:57:28.920 --> 00:57:31.500
No, it's like, it's like insurrection.

1297
00:57:31.800 --> 00:57:33.840
But it's a location.

1298
00:57:33.900 --> 00:57:35.280
It's beautifully realised.

1299
00:57:35.340 --> 00:57:38.460
Anything about insurrections. you know, that's terrible, wasn't

1300
00:57:38.460 --> 00:57:38.639
it?

1301
00:57:38.699 --> 00:57:42.000
And that, that's so beautiful.

1302
00:57:42.719 --> 00:57:47.820
Using the word that Thad used because Thad didn't have a homeworld

1303
00:57:47.820 --> 00:57:50.639
because he grew up on...

1304
00:57:50.639 --> 00:57:52.199
It's beautiful, isn't it?

1305
00:57:52.260 --> 00:57:53.639
So well done.

1306
00:57:54.360 --> 00:57:56.940
I'm sorry, I really want one of those candles.

1307
00:57:57.000 --> 00:58:00.300
I'm being... and I love this too.

1308
00:58:00.360 --> 00:58:03.599
So while they've been talking, we need to identify the planet.

1309
00:58:03.659 --> 00:58:09.059
Kestra, who is a teenager or maybe a bit younger, has been on her

1310
00:58:09.059 --> 00:58:13.559
phone under the table and actually...

1311
00:58:13.619 --> 00:58:15.300
Yeah, this is where you got to go.

1312
00:58:15.360 --> 00:58:16.440
But you know what?

1313
00:58:16.500 --> 00:58:17.159
Absolutely.

1314
00:58:17.219 --> 00:58:19.500
That's how children should be written as...

1315
00:58:19.559 --> 00:58:19.920
Yeah, yeah.

1316
00:58:19.980 --> 00:58:21.360
Yes.

1317
00:58:21.420 --> 00:58:26.159
As a school teacher, though, that seeing kids with their phone

1318
00:58:26.159 --> 00:58:31.199
under the table, that's something that I can... with, yeah.

1319
00:58:31.500 --> 00:58:33.420
But in a way.

1320
00:58:35.219 --> 00:58:38.639
Captain Crandall, crazy old Captain Crandall.

1321
00:58:38.699 --> 00:58:43.079
So this, you know, like you said, it's we've kind of lent into

1322
00:58:43.079 --> 00:58:46.019
nostalgia of being back with Ryker and Troy, but it's absolutely

1323
00:58:46.019 --> 00:58:47.219
pushing the plot along.

1324
00:58:47.280 --> 00:58:48.539
Yeah, yeah, you know.

1325
00:58:48.599 --> 00:58:53.940
It's getting us from A to B. I ate a slice of a Borg cue.

1326
00:58:54.000 --> 00:58:56.400
You know, it wouldn't have been pointless to go see Riker and Troy

1327
00:58:56.400 --> 00:58:59.340
but it could have just been for the purpose of that, you know.

1328
00:58:59.400 --> 00:59:03.300
Yeah, but it was for healing Soji, for getting her to trust Picard

1329
00:59:03.300 --> 00:59:07.019
and forgetting Picard to realise that he's doing the right thing.

1330
00:59:07.139 --> 00:59:12.179
And that's what I love about this episode is there is just a tone

1331
00:59:12.179 --> 00:59:14.880
of like loveliness.

1332
00:59:14.940 --> 00:59:17.159
There's just a, it's just really lovely.

1333
00:59:17.219 --> 00:59:19.079
It's perfectly named.

1334
00:59:19.139 --> 00:59:21.420
Is a lot a lot of this isn't lovely.

1335
00:59:21.539 --> 00:59:22.679
That's what I'm saying.

1336
00:59:22.739 --> 00:59:24.000
But this just it's warm.

1337
00:59:24.059 --> 00:59:25.380
It's like a big hug this episode.

1338
00:59:25.440 --> 00:59:26.639
Yeah, yeah.

1339
00:59:26.699 --> 00:59:28.320
Look at Chris.

1340
00:59:29.820 --> 00:59:31.920
Look at that, man.

1341
00:59:31.980 --> 00:59:32.760
Holy crap.

1342
00:59:33.239 --> 00:59:35.760
Sorry, I was just watching.

1343
00:59:35.820 --> 00:59:39.119
We never had, you know, like we had attractive women, but the men

1344
00:59:39.119 --> 00:59:41.519
were always a bit rough looking on 90s track.

1345
00:59:41.579 --> 00:59:42.119
Is that right?

1346
00:59:42.179 --> 00:59:43.679
Avery Brooks?

1347
00:59:43.739 --> 00:59:46.199
Yeah, Avery Avery's handsome.

1348
00:59:46.260 --> 00:59:48.960
You know, Julian's handsome in a sort of way.

1349
00:59:49.019 --> 00:59:50.340
Yeah, Julia's handsome.

1350
00:59:50.400 --> 00:59:52.440
But generally it's all a bit rough.

1351
00:59:52.500 --> 00:59:53.820
Navar Burton.

1352
00:59:53.880 --> 00:59:58.500
Yeah, LaVar Burton and maybe Garrett Wang. as well.

1353
00:59:58.559 --> 01:00:00.300
He's pretty handsome too.

1354
01:00:00.360 --> 01:00:01.559
I do have a finger for Asian band.

1355
01:00:01.559 --> 01:00:06.059
Not particularly, but certainly him.

1356
01:00:06.119 --> 01:00:06.480
Yeah.

1357
01:00:06.840 --> 01:00:11.099
But I think, well, we're in an age now where the cast is pretty

1358
01:00:11.099 --> 01:00:12.119
like battered given.

1359
01:00:12.179 --> 01:00:14.699
Yeah, yeah, yeah, actors are pretty, you know.

1360
01:00:14.760 --> 01:00:17.340
But yeah, they've done the bulbiest thing they could possibly do

1361
01:00:17.340 --> 01:00:20.760
and they've put, you know, a much older man as the lead of this

1362
01:00:20.760 --> 01:00:21.119
show.

1363
01:00:21.179 --> 01:00:24.480
Yeah, but I mean, it is that, I think I said it before, whatever

1364
01:00:24.480 --> 01:00:28.260
plans they had, the moment they discovered that they could get

1365
01:00:28.260 --> 01:00:32.699
Stuart back to do another series of Star Trek.

1366
01:00:32.760 --> 01:00:37.440
You drop your plans and you just do that and it turns out that

1367
01:00:37.440 --> 01:00:38.820
that was the right decision.

1368
01:00:39.119 --> 01:00:40.739
What happened then?

1369
01:00:40.800 --> 01:00:41.519
Did he approach them?

1370
01:00:41.579 --> 01:00:42.360
I don't know.

1371
01:00:42.420 --> 01:00:43.860
No, I don't know.

1372
01:00:43.920 --> 01:00:46.320
I'm going to research that for next episode, right?

1373
01:00:46.920 --> 01:00:48.780
I love this.

1374
01:00:48.960 --> 01:00:52.679
Is she going for more slices of cake because there's exactly she's

1375
01:00:52.679 --> 01:00:55.739
going to poison herself with uranium hydride.

1376
01:00:55.800 --> 01:00:59.579
And I was wondering how we would be told that this was dangerous

1377
01:00:59.579 --> 01:01:04.079
or why the replicator letter replicated neurotoxin.

1378
01:01:04.320 --> 01:01:06.239
Can I say, Nathan?

1379
01:01:06.300 --> 01:01:09.840
The fact that you always get the names of these ships and

1380
01:01:09.840 --> 01:01:11.400
technobabble and everything.

1381
01:01:11.460 --> 01:01:13.860
It's one of the horniest things about this podcast, I'm telling

1382
01:01:13.860 --> 01:01:14.099
you.

1383
01:01:14.159 --> 01:01:17.219
I have to admit it was visible on the subtitles.

1384
01:01:17.280 --> 01:01:18.659
Okay, there it is.

1385
01:01:20.400 --> 01:01:22.920
This is so well acted too.

1386
01:01:22.980 --> 01:01:25.800
Like her reluctance...

1387
01:01:25.860 --> 01:01:29.519
Yeah, yeah, I don't know that she's trying to commit suicide

1388
01:01:29.519 --> 01:01:32.820
necessarily, but she is trying to poison herself.

1389
01:01:32.820 --> 01:01:35.820
Oh, certainly not, you know, trying to send herself to sleep.

1390
01:01:35.880 --> 01:01:40.679
Yeah, yeah, she's trying to poison herself and then she's, does

1391
01:01:40.679 --> 01:01:42.719
that count as a vomit, the foam coming out of her mouth?

1392
01:01:42.780 --> 01:01:43.559
Yes.

1393
01:01:43.619 --> 01:01:45.599
It's a 2.5 vomit.

1394
01:01:46.079 --> 01:01:49.199
We're literally right in her face right now.

1395
01:01:49.679 --> 01:01:52.079
What is the nature of your medical?

1396
01:01:52.139 --> 01:01:53.340
Oh, bloody hell.

1397
01:01:53.400 --> 01:01:54.420
Jesus Christ.

1398
01:01:54.719 --> 01:01:58.800
He's got the posh X. And they dress them all differently as well

1399
01:01:58.800 --> 01:01:59.519
which is quite nice.

1400
01:02:00.000 --> 01:02:04.079
My favourite is the one who's the pilot who only speaks Spanish.

1401
01:02:04.139 --> 01:02:05.400
She doesn't speak English.

1402
01:02:05.820 --> 01:02:09.480
I mean, that must be an incredibly fun role to play, right?

1403
01:02:09.539 --> 01:02:13.199
Yeah, and the fact that the engineering hologram has a crap

1404
01:02:13.199 --> 01:02:16.619
Scottish accent as well, I think is adorable.

1405
01:02:16.860 --> 01:02:18.719
This fella here.

1406
01:02:18.780 --> 01:02:19.679
The one with a beer.

1407
01:02:19.739 --> 01:02:20.519
Does he die at the end?

1408
01:02:20.579 --> 01:02:21.179
I can't remember.

1409
01:02:21.239 --> 01:02:22.320
I can't remember either.

1410
01:02:22.679 --> 01:02:24.780
So there are 2 of him.

1411
01:02:24.840 --> 01:02:25.320
You know that.

1412
01:02:25.380 --> 01:02:27.300
He's too pretty, don't I?

1413
01:02:27.360 --> 01:02:29.940
There's Luke Treadaway and Harry tread it away.

1414
01:02:30.000 --> 01:02:32.699
So they're both actors, and so there's a backup, if anything

1415
01:02:32.699 --> 01:02:33.539
happens to one of them.

1416
01:02:33.599 --> 01:02:35.039
Identical twins.

1417
01:02:35.099 --> 01:02:36.900
I think this is...

1418
01:02:36.960 --> 01:02:38.579
More possibilities than that, Nathan.

1419
01:02:38.639 --> 01:02:39.659
Yeah, yeah.

1420
01:02:39.719 --> 01:02:40.139
Yeah.

1421
01:02:40.199 --> 01:02:40.619
Yeah.

1422
01:02:40.679 --> 01:02:42.239
Look at him.

1423
01:02:42.780 --> 01:02:46.739
So Chris has started to suspect Raffi.

1424
01:02:46.800 --> 01:02:50.579
Because in a previous episode, Raffi went off to meet with her son

1425
01:02:50.579 --> 01:02:55.679
who is the guy from, is he in Love Victor?

1426
01:02:55.739 --> 01:02:56.880
I think he's in love, Victor.

1427
01:02:56.940 --> 01:03:04.860
Um, And then comes back and so he thinks she's been compromised

1428
01:03:04.860 --> 01:03:07.079
but obviously it's um, Agnes.

1429
01:03:07.139 --> 01:03:13.980
Was there a sequence where Rafi goes to see her son.

1430
01:03:14.039 --> 01:03:15.119
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1431
01:03:15.179 --> 01:03:18.480
That's what he was referring to. like that either.

1432
01:03:18.539 --> 01:03:22.800
That just felt pointlessly complicated and a bit horrid too.

1433
01:03:22.860 --> 01:03:28.019
Yeah, I think it was giving her a little bit of backstory beyond

1434
01:03:28.019 --> 01:03:29.400
Starfleet.

1435
01:03:29.460 --> 01:03:33.900
But my issue was like a lot of it hit in a couple of episodes, like

1436
01:03:33.900 --> 01:03:36.599
a lot of the nastier stuff hit in a couple of episodes, and it

1437
01:03:36.599 --> 01:03:38.519
just felt very anti-trek.

1438
01:03:38.579 --> 01:03:40.920
And it's weird because when they go off at the end of the season

1439
01:03:40.920 --> 01:03:43.860
in the ship, I'm just like, yes, we're off on an adventure now

1440
01:03:43.860 --> 01:03:45.000
we're going, you know.

1441
01:03:45.239 --> 01:03:47.820
They had to go through tough times to get there.

1442
01:03:49.440 --> 01:03:52.800
Oh my word, look how gorgeous that is.

1443
01:03:52.860 --> 01:03:55.440
The valley. wonderful, isn't it?

1444
01:03:55.500 --> 01:03:56.820
Oh, this is really silly.

1445
01:03:56.880 --> 01:03:59.159
This is the same with Riker and Picard.

1446
01:03:59.219 --> 01:04:02.099
Oh, no, no, wait. when they're sitting on the jetty, isn't it?

1447
01:04:02.159 --> 01:04:04.739
It's beautiful, that scene.

1448
01:04:04.800 --> 01:04:06.119
It is so beautiful.

1449
01:04:07.019 --> 01:04:11.820
I love the thing about how they all have baggage.

1450
01:04:11.880 --> 01:04:16.199
There's been nothing since nothing but drama since we left Earth's

1451
01:04:16.199 --> 01:04:22.559
orbit and they all have baggage and that's because they're in a

1452
01:04:22.559 --> 01:04:23.880
different type of TV show.

1453
01:04:23.940 --> 01:04:29.219
The reason that the, um, the next generation characters were only

1454
01:04:29.219 --> 01:04:33.179
lightly sketched and basically didn't have much of a personality

1455
01:04:33.179 --> 01:04:37.679
beyond the actor's performance and what they were good at doing is

1456
01:04:37.679 --> 01:04:39.300
because that was Star Trek.

1457
01:04:39.360 --> 01:04:44.340
And these guys have now got a complicated backstory in baggage too

1458
01:04:44.340 --> 01:04:46.139
because of Thad's death.

1459
01:04:46.199 --> 01:04:48.719
And I just can't believe.

1460
01:04:48.780 --> 01:04:53.039
I can't believe how relaxed and light these scenes are.

1461
01:04:53.159 --> 01:04:56.760
Because they were just so like professional of each other.

1462
01:04:56.820 --> 01:04:58.380
Oh my God.

1463
01:04:58.440 --> 01:05:02.639
The camera is literally hovering over water right now as they're

1464
01:05:02.639 --> 01:05:04.679
going to sit by the lake. beautiful.

1465
01:05:04.739 --> 01:05:08.219
And I will say this again and again.

1466
01:05:08.280 --> 01:05:14.460
I think this is the prettiest and the most visually memorable Star

1467
01:05:14.460 --> 01:05:15.179
Trek series.

1468
01:05:15.239 --> 01:05:16.380
Yeah, it's amazing.

1469
01:05:16.440 --> 01:05:22.019
I did say Prodigy probably was even more, like, visually creative

1470
01:05:22.019 --> 01:05:22.380
than this.

1471
01:05:22.440 --> 01:05:23.280
Yeah, yeah.

1472
01:05:23.340 --> 01:05:27.719
But as a live action trek, this is like top dollar in how it

1473
01:05:27.719 --> 01:05:27.960
looks.

1474
01:05:28.079 --> 01:05:31.079
But look, he has his arm around him.

1475
01:05:31.739 --> 01:05:33.840
You just couldn't use it.

1476
01:05:33.840 --> 01:05:35.699
Imagine it.

1477
01:05:35.760 --> 01:05:40.139
And and also too, I think things are reversed a bit because of

1478
01:05:40.139 --> 01:05:43.800
Picard's age and because he's a bit frail.

1479
01:05:43.860 --> 01:05:49.679
I actually think that, and you know, like Frakes is big and kind

1480
01:05:49.679 --> 01:05:51.119
of physically imposing.

1481
01:05:51.119 --> 01:05:55.440
Like, there's a real gentleness here, but you have this feeling

1482
01:05:55.440 --> 01:05:59.460
that, you know, you end up eventually you end up parenting your

1483
01:05:59.460 --> 01:06:02.460
parents when they get old, right?

1484
01:06:02.519 --> 01:06:04.619
And I think that that's happening here.

1485
01:06:04.800 --> 01:06:10.980
You know, for all of the stuff about how pig, that smile, Jesus

1486
01:06:10.980 --> 01:06:12.840
Christ, both of them.

1487
01:06:12.900 --> 01:06:13.739
Oh.

1488
01:06:13.739 --> 01:06:18.659
Because I mean, I think Freaks is a competent actor. whilst not

1489
01:06:18.659 --> 01:06:20.280
being a spectacular one.

1490
01:06:20.340 --> 01:06:22.679
But he has a good deal of charm.

1491
01:06:22.739 --> 01:06:25.019
I think he has some charisma I think.

1492
01:06:25.079 --> 01:06:29.400
I mean, I'll say this now. my favourite, but the next gen, the

1493
01:06:29.400 --> 01:06:30.900
chemistry between the cast.

1494
01:06:30.960 --> 01:06:33.659
That's that's peak.

1495
01:06:33.659 --> 01:06:35.639
Star Trek chemistry, you know?

1496
01:06:35.699 --> 01:06:39.000
They love working together and it just beams off of, you know

1497
01:06:39.000 --> 01:06:40.079
every scene that they do.

1498
01:06:40.320 --> 01:06:44.219
And especially here, it's like, my God, we got one more crack at

1499
01:06:44.219 --> 01:06:44.760
the whip.

1500
01:06:44.820 --> 01:06:49.440
Let's go So here's another scene with Kestra and Soji.

1501
01:06:49.500 --> 01:06:51.239
And I think this is beautiful as well.

1502
01:06:51.300 --> 01:06:56.760
And, you know, they express how much they like one another.

1503
01:06:56.820 --> 01:07:00.719
And then Kestra, in a very uncomplicated way.

1504
01:07:03.780 --> 01:07:08.280
Because she's been through grief, because she had a terrible thing

1505
01:07:08.280 --> 01:07:15.300
you know, with her brother dying, and it, And just her saying you

1506
01:07:15.300 --> 01:07:16.500
2 could have each other.

1507
01:07:16.559 --> 01:07:21.119
You could trust Picard, and he could trust you, and you could

1508
01:07:21.119 --> 01:07:22.139
support one another.

1509
01:07:22.199 --> 01:07:25.860
Yeah, I don't have Picard, but you could if you wanted to.

1510
01:07:25.920 --> 01:07:27.719
It's so good.

1511
01:07:27.780 --> 01:07:30.960
It's so warm. have a child character saying that.

1512
01:07:31.019 --> 01:07:32.400
Yeah, so mature.

1513
01:07:32.519 --> 01:07:36.599
Well, because she's been through grief and she knows that getting

1514
01:07:36.599 --> 01:07:40.139
support from, you know, having people you love who support you

1515
01:07:40.139 --> 01:07:42.179
through it is the only way through.

1516
01:07:42.239 --> 01:07:43.260
It's beautiful.

1517
01:07:43.320 --> 01:07:46.619
That actress as well. is right in her face.

1518
01:07:46.679 --> 01:07:47.820
Look at this shot.

1519
01:07:47.880 --> 01:07:48.719
They both kiss him.

1520
01:07:48.780 --> 01:07:51.300
That is the most beautiful shot of the episode.

1521
01:07:51.360 --> 01:07:53.039
That's the one I mentioned before.

1522
01:07:53.099 --> 01:07:54.360
It's on the website.

1523
01:07:54.480 --> 01:07:58.260
I screen captured for the for the website.

1524
01:07:58.320 --> 01:07:59.039
It's stunning.

1525
01:07:59.159 --> 01:08:00.900
And they're doing that thing.

1526
01:08:00.900 --> 01:08:02.099
They did an exchange, right?

1527
01:08:02.159 --> 01:08:03.780
Stand over there so you can beam out, right?

1528
01:08:05.940 --> 01:08:08.099
And the...

1529
01:08:08.099 --> 01:08:09.599
Oh, they're coming.

1530
01:08:09.659 --> 01:08:12.960
Oh, yeah. have to pretend it works.

1531
01:08:13.019 --> 01:08:16.199
Well, I mean, I like that as well.

1532
01:08:16.260 --> 01:08:20.520
You know, it doesn't work unless you make it work.

1533
01:08:20.579 --> 01:08:22.619
Ah, this gives you the feels, doesn't it?

1534
01:08:22.680 --> 01:08:24.060
It really does.

1535
01:08:24.119 --> 01:08:26.100
Look at the family.

1536
01:08:29.819 --> 01:08:34.619
Like if we never saw Riker and Troy again, this would be a perfect

1537
01:08:34.619 --> 01:08:35.039
ending.

1538
01:08:35.100 --> 01:08:36.720
I think we shouldn't.

1539
01:08:36.779 --> 01:08:40.140
I don't I don't think we should...

1540
01:08:40.199 --> 01:08:42.180
We do, but I don't think we see this.

1541
01:08:42.239 --> 01:08:43.560
I don't want to see this again.

1542
01:08:43.680 --> 01:08:46.319
I think, you know, you just wanted to be happy here.

1543
01:08:46.380 --> 01:08:47.760
Yeah, yeah.

1544
01:08:47.819 --> 01:08:53.520
And this is a moment of Nepenthe, you know, that shot, that was

1545
01:08:53.520 --> 01:08:54.420
our favourite shot.

1546
01:08:54.479 --> 01:08:58.380
I'm telling you now, all right, I'm going to make a prediction for

1547
01:08:58.380 --> 01:09:00.539
series 3 of Star Trek Picard.

1548
01:09:00.600 --> 01:09:05.220
They're absolutely going to bring the whole next gen group by the

1549
01:09:05.220 --> 01:09:06.000
end of series for it.

1550
01:09:06.060 --> 01:09:06.659
I'm telling you.

1551
01:09:06.720 --> 01:09:09.899
I'd love to see the bar back. no way they won't do that.

1552
01:09:10.439 --> 01:09:13.319
That was extraordinarily good.

1553
01:09:13.380 --> 01:09:14.640
Yeah, yeah.

1554
01:09:14.699 --> 01:09:15.300
Yeah.

1555
01:09:15.359 --> 01:09:19.560
I think I think a rewatch of Picard is in order and maybe some

1556
01:09:19.560 --> 01:09:21.720
kind of reevaluation, I think.

1557
01:09:22.079 --> 01:09:28.680
Even if it's not doing the sort of thing. that you want Star Trek

1558
01:09:28.680 --> 01:09:29.100
to do.

1559
01:09:29.159 --> 01:09:33.479
What I want Star Trek to do, I think, is things it hasn't done

1560
01:09:33.479 --> 01:09:34.079
before.

1561
01:09:34.199 --> 01:09:36.000
And I think that this feels that.

1562
01:09:36.060 --> 01:09:42.779
I, you know, the reason why I lure DS9 so much is because we do

1563
01:09:42.779 --> 01:09:47.520
hang out with those characters a lot in their home because it

1564
01:09:47.520 --> 01:09:49.319
definitely feels like they're at the station.

1565
01:09:49.319 --> 01:09:52.800
So this is absolutely what I want Star Trek to do more.

1566
01:09:52.859 --> 01:09:54.119
Yeah, yeah.

1567
01:09:54.479 --> 01:09:58.199
But I, you know, I've said it a few times throughout this

1568
01:09:58.199 --> 01:09:58.739
episode.

1569
01:09:58.859 --> 01:10:04.199
What this really highlights is what Nextchange wasn't doing, but

1570
01:10:04.199 --> 01:10:06.420
just the potential that these characters had.

1571
01:10:06.539 --> 01:10:07.500
Yeah.

1572
01:10:07.560 --> 01:10:12.060
Yeah, and, you know, how they've maybe matured as actors or

1573
01:10:12.060 --> 01:10:15.479
something because I think Deanna is great in that.

1574
01:10:15.539 --> 01:10:17.220
I think Riker is great.

1575
01:10:17.279 --> 01:10:22.140
And part of it is that they're allowed to bring themselves to the

1576
01:10:22.140 --> 01:10:27.000
role more and they're in an identifiable place.

1577
01:10:27.119 --> 01:10:31.739
They're not in a studio on a studio sound stage surrounded by

1578
01:10:31.739 --> 01:10:32.520
flashing lights.

1579
01:10:32.640 --> 01:10:33.539
They're in a home.

1580
01:10:33.600 --> 01:10:36.420
They're outside at a pizza oven.

1581
01:10:36.479 --> 01:10:42.180
If anyone was cynical about like this series being like a rehash

1582
01:10:42.180 --> 01:10:45.479
of the next generation, which I kind of thought it was going to be

1583
01:10:45.479 --> 01:10:48.420
when I 1st went in, and it definitely isn't that.

1584
01:10:48.479 --> 01:10:49.020
No.

1585
01:10:49.079 --> 01:10:53.039
Well, this episode proves that actually maybe that's not such a

1586
01:10:53.039 --> 01:10:53.460
bad idea.

1587
01:10:53.640 --> 01:10:59.399
Yeah, although I think, I think there's a lot of Star Trek the

1588
01:10:59.399 --> 01:11:03.060
Next Generation available for you to watch, if you want it, and

1589
01:11:03.060 --> 01:11:06.300
what we don't need, I think, is more of it.

1590
01:11:06.359 --> 01:11:13.140
But what we get here, where we get to see a mature relationship

1591
01:11:13.140 --> 01:11:15.359
between them and a loving relationship.

1592
01:11:15.359 --> 01:11:18.180
Rehash is the wrong word, isn't it?

1593
01:11:18.239 --> 01:11:19.199
like reinvention really.

1594
01:11:19.260 --> 01:11:20.159
Yeah.

1595
01:11:20.220 --> 01:11:24.840
I think it's beautiful and it is a little oasis in that series and

1596
01:11:24.840 --> 01:11:29.579
it's deliberately intended to be that. and it is for both of them

1597
01:11:29.579 --> 01:11:31.380
both Picard and Soji.

1598
01:11:31.439 --> 01:11:35.520
Get a break from the terrible things that have been happening and

1599
01:11:35.520 --> 01:11:37.560
then go off with renewed purpose.

1600
01:11:37.680 --> 01:11:40.020
And I think it's perfect.

1601
01:11:40.079 --> 01:11:45.359
I remember watching through this season and I, you know, I said to

1602
01:11:45.359 --> 01:11:48.000
you, when I got halfway through, I was like, I don't know, this is

1603
01:11:48.000 --> 01:11:48.359
for me.

1604
01:11:48.420 --> 01:11:53.640
And then this episode hit and I was just like, oh, yes. you know I

1605
01:11:53.640 --> 01:11:54.840
breathed a sigh of relief.

1606
01:11:54.899 --> 01:11:57.180
It's it's fantastic.

1607
01:11:57.239 --> 01:12:00.300
And frankly, I'm really pleased we got it as the 1st one.

1608
01:12:04.319 --> 01:12:09.479
All right, it's time for us to choose our next episode.

1609
01:12:09.539 --> 01:12:16.500
So Joe is on untitled Star Trek project.com slash randomiser.

1610
01:12:16.979 --> 01:12:22.260
Joe. You haven't told me what you're going to pick from.

1611
01:12:22.560 --> 01:12:25.739
I'm going to be utterly predictable.

1612
01:12:25.800 --> 01:12:30.359
And I picked the animated series, the much neglected animated

1613
01:12:30.359 --> 01:12:30.779
series.

1614
01:12:30.899 --> 01:12:31.380
No.

1615
01:12:31.439 --> 01:12:32.939
We'll get to that when we get.

1616
01:12:33.000 --> 01:12:35.220
Besisely, she's always nice to have one in the bank that we

1617
01:12:35.220 --> 01:12:36.180
haven't done yet, you know?

1618
01:12:36.239 --> 01:12:39.420
So, you know, 70 episodes in.

1619
01:12:39.479 --> 01:12:41.760
We're like, ooh, and new shows talk about.

1620
01:12:42.119 --> 01:12:47.520
No, no, no, I'm ducking back into 90s trek. as before I do.

1621
01:12:47.579 --> 01:12:48.899
We just did an next generation.

1622
01:12:48.960 --> 01:12:52.920
So I've only selected DS9 and Voyager.

1623
01:12:52.979 --> 01:12:55.680
I just I just love talking about those shows.

1624
01:12:58.680 --> 01:13:01.140
So why don't you tell me when you're ready?

1625
01:13:01.260 --> 01:13:02.460
Okay, I'm ready.

1626
01:13:02.520 --> 01:13:03.359
I want you to press a button.

1627
01:13:03.420 --> 01:13:05.100
Okay, here we go.

1628
01:13:05.159 --> 01:13:06.600
Bye-bye, bum.

1629
01:13:07.680 --> 01:13:14.640
Okay, so this is Deep Space 9, season two, episode 25, Tribunal.

1630
01:13:14.699 --> 01:13:17.279
It's an O'Brien episode.

1631
01:13:17.340 --> 01:13:20.159
We can't possibly watch that one though, because that's the one

1632
01:13:20.159 --> 01:13:22.680
where he gets his uniform torn off and you see his big hairy

1633
01:13:22.680 --> 01:13:22.979
moves.

1634
01:13:23.100 --> 01:13:24.960
Okay, let's not do that.

1635
01:13:25.020 --> 01:13:25.619
No, no, no, no.

1636
01:13:25.680 --> 01:13:26.819
After seeing hot reels.

1637
01:13:26.880 --> 01:13:28.319
Yeah, that's true.

1638
01:13:28.380 --> 01:13:29.159
Yeah.

1639
01:13:29.220 --> 01:13:31.380
Oh, oh, okay.

1640
01:13:31.439 --> 01:13:32.760
This is a beautiful episode.

1641
01:13:32.819 --> 01:13:34.859
It's DS9 again.

1642
01:13:34.920 --> 01:13:39.359
It's season three, episode 22 Explorers.

1643
01:13:39.960 --> 01:13:45.239
And it's the one where Cisco builds the Bajoran lightship and him

1644
01:13:45.239 --> 01:13:46.079
and Jake go off.

1645
01:13:46.140 --> 01:13:55.500
And it has a fabulous B plot as well about Julian Bashir and the

1646
01:13:55.500 --> 01:13:58.800
person that he lost out to at school visiting the station.

1647
01:13:58.859 --> 01:14:02.039
Yeah. and it's the 1st litre episode as well.

1648
01:14:02.100 --> 01:14:03.420
Oh, okay.

1649
01:14:03.479 --> 01:14:03.899
All right.

1650
01:14:03.960 --> 01:14:04.619
Yep.

1651
01:14:04.680 --> 01:14:06.180
I'm here for it.

1652
01:14:06.239 --> 01:14:08.100
Well, I may just push it one more time.

1653
01:14:08.159 --> 01:14:11.579
Oh, you know that we have to go with it if you push it one more

1654
01:14:11.579 --> 01:14:11.880
time.

1655
01:14:11.939 --> 01:14:14.819
There's no choosing the 2nd last one we rolled.

1656
01:14:14.880 --> 01:14:18.720
We're bad enough, I think, without introducing those rules.

1657
01:14:18.779 --> 01:14:19.260
What do you think?

1658
01:14:20.220 --> 01:14:21.659
Go on.

1659
01:14:21.720 --> 01:14:22.439
Go on, go on.

1660
01:14:22.500 --> 01:14:22.979
Push it.

1661
01:14:23.039 --> 01:14:24.060
Okay, I'll push it.

1662
01:14:24.119 --> 01:14:25.979
Oh my word.

1663
01:14:26.039 --> 01:14:26.460
Okay.

1664
01:14:26.579 --> 01:14:28.380
It's another DS 9 episode.

1665
01:14:28.439 --> 01:14:29.340
Ready?

1666
01:14:29.399 --> 01:14:30.300
I'm going to hold it out.

1667
01:14:30.359 --> 01:14:31.500
Are you sure you selected Voyager?

1668
01:14:31.560 --> 01:14:32.340
I did.

1669
01:14:32.399 --> 01:14:33.539
Okay.

1670
01:14:33.600 --> 01:14:33.960
All right.

1671
01:14:34.079 --> 01:14:37.739
It's season six. episode 19.

1672
01:14:38.579 --> 01:14:41.039
In the pale moonlight.

1673
01:14:41.159 --> 01:14:42.300
Oh, okay.

1674
01:14:42.359 --> 01:14:43.500
Yeah, we have to do that.

1675
01:14:43.560 --> 01:14:44.159
That's good.

1676
01:14:44.220 --> 01:14:44.880
Excellent.

1677
01:14:44.939 --> 01:14:46.500
That's actually, that's a good one to do.

1678
01:14:46.560 --> 01:14:47.399
And do you know why?

1679
01:14:47.460 --> 01:14:51.779
Because we did the House of Quark, and we did...

1680
01:14:51.779 --> 01:14:53.039
Baseball.

1681
01:14:53.100 --> 01:14:56.520
And they were both light, and this is, this is not light.

1682
01:14:56.579 --> 01:14:58.380
Oh, excellent.

1683
01:14:58.439 --> 01:15:01.500
I'm looking forward to seeing that I have seen it.

1684
01:15:01.560 --> 01:15:03.000
I do know which one we're talking about.

1685
01:15:04.020 --> 01:15:09.180
I mean, I think I think this is widely considered to be one of the

1686
01:15:09.180 --> 01:15:09.479
best.

1687
01:15:09.479 --> 01:15:11.939
One of the top 3 DS9 episodes.

1688
01:15:12.000 --> 01:15:12.659
Yeah, yeah.

1689
01:15:12.720 --> 01:15:16.140
And I wouldn't necessarily say that about take me out to the

1690
01:15:16.140 --> 01:15:17.699
holosuite and House of War.

1691
01:15:18.479 --> 01:15:20.340
No, they're very good.

1692
01:15:21.720 --> 01:15:26.340
So top three, in the Power Moonlight, better being better bang and

1693
01:15:26.340 --> 01:15:27.600
in the cards, right?

1694
01:15:28.020 --> 01:15:30.479
That is a unique list to you.

1695
01:15:30.539 --> 01:15:30.899
Yes.

1696
01:15:41.399 --> 01:15:45.479
You've been listening to Untitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford

1697
01:15:45.479 --> 01:15:46.920
and Nathan Bottomley.

1698
01:15:46.979 --> 01:15:50.579
You can find us online at untitled Star Trek project.com, where

1699
01:15:50.579 --> 01:15:54.300
you can find links to our Twitter, Facebook, and YouTube channel.

1700
01:15:54.359 --> 01:15:57.779
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Ciceran, and the theme was

1701
01:15:57.779 --> 01:15:59.520
composed by Cameron Lamb.

1702
01:15:59.579 --> 01:16:04.380
This episode was recorded on the 30th of January 2022 and released

1703
01:16:04.380 --> 01:16:06.000
on the 11th of February.

1704
01:16:06.060 --> 01:16:11.399
We'll see you next time for Deep Space 9 in the pale moonlight.