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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So we're back aboard the Enterprise D for the end of its first

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year.

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It's the 16th of May, 1988, and it's series one episode 26, The

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Neutral Zone.

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Now I have to say that I enjoyed this a lot more than I expected

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to.

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I have to say, I was slightly baffled after watching it when you

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messaged me saying you enjoyed this as much as you did.

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I was like, well, he's gonna have to give you some pretty serious

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explanations for this.

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So yeah, so this is an episode that's already suffering from the

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writer's strike, which will properly hit in series two.

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Was this not written then?

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Was this AI Generated?

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No, no, no, no.

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It was written, but it's super thin, and that's one of the

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characteristics of season 2 is that its episodes are languid and

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thin and not much happens, and that's certainly true here.

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We have a very leisurely B plot and a very thin A-plot.

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There's not a lot going on.

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But what it does do is, um, it does what series 2 does, and

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perhaps what series one does a little bit as well, is one of the

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things that it's still doing is it's teaching us what this world

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is like, and it's interested in showing us life aboard the ship.

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And one of the things that I think series one does, and we maybe

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forget is because it's introducing Star Trek again, but it's

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introducing a new kind of Star Trek set 80 years later.

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And so the amount of time in encounter at FarPoint that's spent

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establishing the holodeck and the replicator, which are the 2 bits

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of technology that we didn't have in Star Trek, the original

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series, uh, you know, so it's and the 24th century.

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We didn't know when Star Trek was set when it went out, did we?

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The original series.

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We had no idea what year it was.

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It's the 24th century.

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We know it's the 24th century in Star Trek, the Next Generation.

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And so the world of the 24th century is really important.

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In Encounter at Farpoint.

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We get a little bit of history between the present day and the

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24th century.

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We see, you know, the World War 3 and whatever goes on in the

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middle of the 21st century and that sort of stuff in that

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flashback with Q. And so all of that sort of thing creating that

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world is a bit of a thread of series one of Star Trek, the Next

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Generation.

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I think it really culminates here because what they do is they

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bring some people from the present day or perhaps more accurately

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from TV from the present day.

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You know, these seem like characters on TV shows in 1988.

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And suddenly, we get what now looks like a very, very 80s episode

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of Star Trek.

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Suddenly it's the 1980s.

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You know, you've got Poundland, F. Murray Abraham playing, you

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know, like Gordon Gecko, just 6 months after Wall Street comes

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out.

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You've got that southerner guy.

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You've got the woman with the very, very 80s hair, all of whom

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have been sort of thawed out and brought on board.

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And so we get to experience, again, what we experience when we 1st

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started watching Star Trek the Next Generation, which was people

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from 1988, experiencing the 24th century for the 1st time.

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And I think that's really good.

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That reminds us of what we've been enjoying for this year and

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makes it real on screen.

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And so I had a lot of time for that.

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I think the characters are all terribly overwritten.

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The arcs don't properly land.

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It's not, you know, a super successful take on it.

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But it was a fun thing to do and it did remind me of what it was

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like to watch series one for the 1st time.

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If this is what TV characters were like in the late 80s on

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American television.

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I'm very pleased I was not watching television in the late 80s in

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America.

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I mean, I had the same issue with this bunch as I did with the 3

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Marquis members last week in Learning Curve, which incidentally

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was the last episode of the 1st season of Voyager.

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The randomiser as a bizarre sense of humour.

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In the hands of the prophets is coming next.

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Yes, I can absolutely see your reading on this, but watching this

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as a piece of television in its own right, and not as an

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intellectual exercise, as a culmination of the 1st year of Star

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Trek, the next generation.

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I thought this was a bit drab.

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I don't think the joke's land.

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I think it's visually uninteresting.

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I found those 3 characters.

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Not just irritating, but a bit boring as well.

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And we never see them again.

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Of course we don't.

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So what's the point?

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Like those marquee people.

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Um, I do like the return of the Romulans in this and I do like the

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fact that they're thinking ahead.

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But even in that plot, I couldn't believe the end of this episode

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where it just ended.

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And there was no sense of climax.

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There was sort of no culmination of the season there.

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There was no culmination of this episode.

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It was just like, we're back.

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That's it.

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Okay.

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So the other thing that does, of course, is examine what the

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values of the federation are and what a post scarcity society is

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like by having people from 1988 meet.

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I know they're from 1994 shut up, but they're from 1988, having

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people from 1988, meet our crew, and there is a kind of statement

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of intent as we finish as well.

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You know, Picard gets a little bit of a speech.

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And yes, like it's all sort of very undercooked and it is very

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like I get drab.

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I think that that is kind of fair enough, but I just think as a

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kind of amateur Star Trekologist, this was like a pretty reward.

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Don't go giving yourself qualifications.

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Just because you've watched 100 Star Trek episodes and

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compensations.

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You did.

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You did.

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Yeah, we both are.

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But also as well, I'm very well aware that we are just can't

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forget we're in series one of Star Trek and the next generation

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because none of the characters are formed.

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Still, everyone's very stiff and there's some very bizarre

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characterisation of Captain Picard.

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We never would have got later on in this, and I'll talk about it

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as we go through the episode.

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But, you know, like poor Gates McFadden in this doing a blank.

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I mean, I'll send you a clip of her going, you know, we found them

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in the pods.

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I unfroze them.

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You know, it's like, what are you doing?

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I mean, to be fair, she knows at this point she's been fired.

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Why would she...

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Why would she even give any effort to this bullshit that she's

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been asked to say?

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Um, but also Troy's still in that sort of good girl phase that we

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don't really like.

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Riker looks weird without the beard.

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Like everything just doesn't feel like it's quite there.

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And you and me, we've done brilliant episodes, you know, who

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watches the watchers, the game from like three, four, and 5

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recently.

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So to go back to when they were making tentative steps towards how

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great it would be.

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I mean, I like it because of that because I like seeing, well, God

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this is how bad it was to start off with.

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How they learned some lessons, which is really great, but it does

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mean going, it's just all a bit awkward.

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I think I wanted to like this more than I did.

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So I'm a bit disappointed at myself, frankly.

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Mine was the other way around.

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I knew that it was a kind of boring episode and I actually find

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the 3 kind of TV characters who've wandered on board actually kind

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of fun.

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I mean, they're overwritten, but so is literally everyone else on

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board ship.

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That won't get me my lawyer.

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I need to get onto the bank.

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I'm so sorry, but all the lawyers and bugs are dead.

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You know, what?

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But, you know, that's a very, very now portrayal.

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Do you know what I mean?

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It's literally sort of 6 months after Wall Street is released in

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December of 1987.

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And so that character is very now, and yes, he is sort of

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terrifically overwritten and stuff, but he's the one who, you know

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we talked about it when we watch Shades of Green.

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Remember the B plot where we turned up on a planet where a post

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scarcity society had just been introduced and all of the rich

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people were pissed off.

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And so we sort of get to see that here.

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And he's in a position to completely misunderstand the world.

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And then, of course, he's on the Bridge of the Enterprise, and he

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is crucial in the negotiations because he understands what's going

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on because he's devious and everyone else on board the ship is

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super naive.

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I know that that doesn't quite work.

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There is an attempt, like conflict of the 2 plots coming together

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when the Robulus turn up on the screen and then he walks out the

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turbo now, go, who's this on screen?

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What's going on?

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Is anyone right in this?

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But there is an attempt, I think, to give all 3 of them an arc of

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some kind.

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I mean, their plot does at least come to a conclusion.

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You know, and they go off to live their lives in the future.

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The other plot, it just stops.

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It just stops.

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In fact, something like 15 years later, Sonny Clemens is

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performing at a concert where some teenagers are injured because

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they are stampeding and they rush the stage.

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And that is reported in grounded, which is an episode that we've

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already covered on untitled Star Trek project.

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So Sonny Clemens is not forgotten.

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He does turn up, he does get mentioned, and in an episode of lower

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decks, and he does have a successful singing career.

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Oh, of course, is absolutely useful. is ridiculous.

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Karen, I don't forget anything, do I?

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I think they made a list.

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Right.

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Come on.

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Let's make a list of all the shittest things that ever happened in

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Star Trek and we'll do it.

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And they went, oh god, we've got a whole volume for Voyager

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right?

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We'll have to write a whole episode.

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We'll call it Tuvix, and we'll have everything in there.

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I think the best example of it is that the outrageous O'Connor

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turns up both in lower decks and in prodigy.

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And it's still William Campbell, isn't it?

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Well, I don't think I don't know that he gets lines in lower decks

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but I can't remember, but dumb, yeah, is that terrific?

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I fucking love that show, you know.

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I love this show as well.

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Just not quite yet.

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Yes.

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No, that's fair enough.

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I think that is definitely fair enough.

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And like I said, I'm enjoying it as a historical curiosity rather

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than as an actual functional hour of television, which I think it

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just manages to be, but only just.

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See, that's why I love Bay you in Asia.

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You can watch TV on these 2 levels.

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One is a piece of entertainment and 2 as an intellectual

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exercise.

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Alas, my intellect is not up there with you, so I only watch it as

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a piece of entertainment.

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I know those levels is a bit lacking.

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It is a little bit, I'll concede that.

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Well, I get to talk about it with you.

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Well, yeah, take that piss out.

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Gates McFadden quite a bit too.

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Exactly.

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She gets quite a good bit in this, which I will point out when we

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get there.

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Jean-Luc.

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All right, let's go in.

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I'm ready.

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I'm ready.

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Although, please, can we do something good next week?

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All right.

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I'm gonna keep pressing that fucking button until I get something

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good. entirely up to you.

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All right.

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I will count us in.

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Five, four, three, two, one, and we're off.

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What a fine looking pro we have there.

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It is, isn't it?

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It looks a lot nicer, you know, in the new version.

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I watched the old version earlier.

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Oh, was it super different?

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I'm watching the new version as well.

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Sort of shoddy bit of model work.

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Now it's a nice bit of CG.

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CG.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So this is a little bit like space seed, isn't it?

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Like the Botany Bay they pick up in Star Trek, the original

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series.

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It might even be from the 1990s as well.

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But this is from the 1990s that nearly happened, I think.

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I did say to you in a message, you know, it's very strange that at

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the end of TNG series one, and what probably should have been the

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end of Voyager season one, which is the 37s, they both discover a

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piece of space flotsam from the past and go, oh, wow, it's a point

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of historic interest, we must explore, and then it leads them to a

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bunch of pods with people cryogenically frozen. from the 20th

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century.

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Yeah, that's...

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In that one, it's a truck and we eventually end up meeting Amelia

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Earhalt.

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So it's a bit more crazy.

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That is a little bit weirder and a little bit more exciting.

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I really like this set.

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Yes.

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And there's there's a panel as well.

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Because what's interesting about it is, of course, one of the

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themes of this episode is the difference between the late 20th

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century and the late 24th century.

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And there's a beautiful shot of a panel, which is just coming up.

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Look at that.

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Look at that panel with all of, you know, the lights and stuff.

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Excitable lights, there, sort of nomadish, isn't it?

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It makes me quite exciting.

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I don't know what all those lights do, but it's very complicated

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I'm sure. selling it.

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I think in early TNG, they do this sort of stuff really well, this

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exploring derelict ships and things like that.

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They've got a dry ice machine that's going crazy and they're not

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afraid to do some sort of crazy lighting as well.

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Later on, it all gets a bit flat.

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I think I remember us saying that in heart of glory.

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Yeah, that's amazing, isn't it?

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And you've got Ron Jones and they're going, da, da.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Well, you sent me the clip of Ron Jones.

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And I was paying close attention to it because as is already well

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established at this point.

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I did have the best of both worlds soundtrack.

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Oh, on CD.

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So great, isn't it?

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Yeah.

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Although, you know what?

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My favourite track is on the Ron Jones album.

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What's that?

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It's the skin of evil one.

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Oh, it's just wonderful. when trashy R dies is great.

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It's a weird trade-off though, isn't it?

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Because later on, obviously we get a better show.

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It's a more thoughtful show.

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It's a better acted show.

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It's a better written show.

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But I do think some of the atmospherics.

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I've toned down.

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It's like Rick Berman looked at all of this and went, you know

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this is far too atmospheric.

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Will you just dole down the lights, please, and the music?

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Yeah, I mean, we were talking about that and we, it will come up

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because um, the, the enterprise itself looks quite different.

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Yeah, I knew that she would be what we go to the opening credits

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on.

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So that was Claire.

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So, you know, like the, we've talked about it before.

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I think they've, they haven't quite established how to light the

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enterprise either.

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And so there's shadows on the walls cast by the characters and

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stuff like that.

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Um, whereas we get a sort of, uh, I think it's cinematic.

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Like, I think I remember, you know, I'd watched all of series one

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nearly all of series one, because it was, you know, released on

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VHS at around about the time for rental, and I scoured all of the

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shops in the area, all of the video stores in the area to rent it

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until I'd seen the 24 episodes that were released.

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And so when I finally started to see series 4 stuff coming through

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from America.

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It seemed more cinematic, but the lighting is flatter, you know, um

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I think there's a whole fesus that you could write, you know, on

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the lighting of Star Trek, the Next Generation.

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Because here, like we said, it's a bit drab, but it is a bit more

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interesting.

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Shadows make things a bit more visually interesting.

343
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Yeah, yeah.

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But do you remember when, you know, the genuine cinematic lighting

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hit in generations?

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we were all like, well, what the hell is this?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, the same familiar sets looking completely different because

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they're being lit like it's a feature film, which it was.

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Um, yeah.

352
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Yeah, I mean, I like it because it's trying things that it

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eventually kind of settles on not doing again.

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And we've said before, that what happens is, of course, we raise

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the floor enormously in series 3.

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And we raise the ceiling.

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I mean, there are better episodes in series 3 than there are in

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either of the first two.

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It's a net win, but we do lose something.

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We also, yeah, we've acknowledged we lose some of the risk of the

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and, you know, risk me, if you take a lot of risk, it means you

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fall flat in your face a lot, which they did anyway. one and 2

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happens a lot.

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Great fun to watch it though.

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But the light in this episode, I was like, oh, it's like when you

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get a really dismal sort of reading lamp, you know?

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and it throws out this sort of horrible brown light and everything

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sort of a little bit off.

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I don't know, I couldn't explain it, but it wasn't pleasing to

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look at, I don't think.

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No.

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And, oh, they're still slumping back in those bloody chairs on the

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bridge.

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That's terrible, George.

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You could need a shot for your back.

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They do get rid of those.

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But look, the guy at the panel behind Riker is casting a shadow on

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the wall and that's something you would never see in series three

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I think.

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But you remember that fabulous lighting in the 60s?

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You know, stuff like the doomsday machine?

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We've unlearned lessons in the 20 years.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, it wants to be more even and more controlled, I think.

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Now, this is written, or the telly plays written by Maurice Hurley

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right?

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who is a very divisive figure.

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You go and watch the documentary about series one and two.

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They wanted him out because he ended up up saying, and of course

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he fired Gates McFadden.

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I have nothing but love for the man.

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But he also did write Q-Hoo and he wrote Times Squared in the 2nd

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season.

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So he could write a really good script.

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Times squared's a bit shit.

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Oh, I like it with 2 Picards.

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So I don't think his instincts were always wrong.

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But he just had a habit of pissing people off.

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I mean, he's trying to set up something that doesn't end up

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eventuating in series 2 because of the writer's strike because one

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thing that we didn't mention in our introduction is this is the

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introduction of the Borg.

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And they introduces a mystery, the central mystery, which is being

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explained now.

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Oh, we don't know about the Tomed incident.

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So we haven't seen the Romulans for like 80 years or something.

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And that's kind of the same position that we're in in balance of

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terror, isn't it?

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No one's ever seen the Romulans before.

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We don't know anything about them.

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We'll talk more about the Romulans.

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It is.

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It explicitly stated that the ball, when they turn up in Q Who in

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the 2nd season, that they were responsible for this.

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I think so, but definitely the opening, you know, before we go

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into the opening credits of the best of both worlds, part one.

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We're standing on that planet where an entire colony has been

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scooped off the surface of the of the world, which is exactly what

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you're being described here.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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It's a great visual.

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And, you know, they could never have achieved it in series one of

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of Star Trek the Next Generation.

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They didn't know how to do it yet.

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Look at the lighting here.

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Look at, it's not flat and even, is it?

427
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It's, you know, there's a lot of shadow on Picard, you know.

428
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Can I tell you a little bit about James L. Conway who directs this

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episode?

430
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Yeah, because this is the man who brought us some of the very best

431
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Star Trek episodes in the 90s, right?

432
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But unfortunately, the 2 he directed in series one of TNG are

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justice and the neutral zone.

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So it's sort of, let's say humble beginnings that he then goes on

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to direct. listen to this.

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Frame of mind.

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Duet, necessary evil, way of the warrior, um, for the cause, deaf

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wish, which we've already watched, in a mirror darkly, that

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fabulous alternative universe one for men's prize.

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So he does the entire run from TNG all the way through to the end

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of Enterprise.

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But he does 4 stories per series, not season per series.

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Wow, per series.

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And they pull him in like, where, the Warrior, man?

445
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The direction of that is fabulous.

446
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It's really good.

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So I don't know how he managed to get those choice gigs after

448
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delivering justice, but here we go.

449
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So again, see this, this is them looking at us.

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We were looking at them for the entire year.

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We were looking at people from the 24th century.

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They're looking at us and seeing what we died of, we emphasise how

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incredible the medical technology is now, and we emphasise how no

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one smokes and drinks anymore when we look at poor old Sonny

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Clemens. a very tedious life in the 24th century, don't you

456
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think?

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Imagine not been having a glass of red wine.

458
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Yeah, no, but no, no.

459
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I watched, um, I watched Cause and Effect, which is a brilliant

460
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and accomplished episode full of incident and carefully written.

461
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That's right.

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But Beverly is drinking some kind of DJ Steve after dinner.

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She's got her little kind of...

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Well, yeah.

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Synthetic alcohol.

466
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Oh, they're so refined.

467
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Did you hear her then?

468
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I love that when they talk about science.

469
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She's like, cryonics.

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Jean-Luc.

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They feared dying in the past.

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Oh god.

473
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So, I mean, he has a point. dead bodies.

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Do you know what I mean?

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Like and they weren't...

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You know, if they're just dead bodies on their, they, you know, do

477
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we have to try and make them up?

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Look how shitty this set is, by the way.

479
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Can I just because it is just the observation lounge redressed?

480
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And they've pasted...

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They've pasted some fabric over the winter.

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It's so obvious now you spell it out.

483
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It's the same windows.

484
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Oh my god.

485
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You can even see where they've stuck the fabric at the edges

486
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look.

487
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Yeah, the very silly...

488
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Oh, TNG, come on now. pull out the stops.

489
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Oh, they do have that fabulous coloured liquid there, though. still

490
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want to know what that is. away from series one.

491
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No one knows.

492
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Is it Cortrazine or some of the things that, you know, the

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anaesthesia uses.

494
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I didn't think you can leave cordes, hanging around.

495
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This would be straight.

496
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I believe those windows.

497
00:24:17.819 --> 00:24:19.740
Yeah, yeah, you can see the crinkles in it.

498
00:24:19.799 --> 00:24:23.940
Oh, in this terrible gag, which, again, Ron Jones gets to kind of

499
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go, this is a funny game.

500
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Oh, I think I messaged you about this bit.

501
00:24:32.640 --> 00:24:37.680
She sees warf and faints because obviously there's no Klingons in

502
00:24:37.680 --> 00:24:37.980
the past.

503
00:24:38.039 --> 00:24:42.359
I think the music is more like, look, look, look, look, look

504
00:24:42.359 --> 00:24:43.680
look.

505
00:24:43.680 --> 00:24:44.819
It's terrible.

506
00:24:44.880 --> 00:24:47.819
Welcome to the 24th century.

507
00:24:47.819 --> 00:24:49.740
The 24th century.

508
00:24:49.920 --> 00:24:56.700
We does it again with Rasmusen in...

509
00:24:56.700 --> 00:24:57.539
Oh, of course he does.

510
00:24:57.539 --> 00:24:58.740
A matter of time.

511
00:24:58.799 --> 00:25:03.000
Do you know, Dr. Beverly does have a very hot assistant there

512
00:25:03.000 --> 00:25:03.539
in...

513
00:25:05.039 --> 00:25:06.420
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

514
00:25:06.480 --> 00:25:07.920
I've seen him before, I think.

515
00:25:07.920 --> 00:25:10.019
He is in it a little bit.

516
00:25:10.079 --> 00:25:13.019
I think, uh, you know, she's going soon.

517
00:25:13.079 --> 00:25:14.099
Dr. Pulaski will come along.

518
00:25:14.160 --> 00:25:15.299
Shell appreciate him even more.

519
00:25:15.359 --> 00:25:17.940
Yeah, probably, probably.

520
00:25:18.000 --> 00:25:25.200
So, I actually have to say that I quite like this woman, like that

521
00:25:25.200 --> 00:25:26.640
actor, I think she's quite good.

522
00:25:26.700 --> 00:25:28.740
Because she's so mumsy.

523
00:25:28.799 --> 00:25:31.079
Yeah, she's too mumsy.

524
00:25:31.079 --> 00:25:34.140
But she's very kind of, but that's it.

525
00:25:34.200 --> 00:25:34.980
Do you know what I mean?

526
00:25:35.039 --> 00:25:36.720
Like she's just an ordinary person.

527
00:25:36.779 --> 00:25:41.279
It says homemaker and data goes, oh, it must have been some kind

528
00:25:41.279 --> 00:25:43.019
of construction or something.

529
00:25:43.019 --> 00:25:46.440
Like he assumes that she's a builder, which again, I think it's

530
00:25:46.440 --> 00:25:51.539
like just a cute Star Trek thing, you know, where they don't fully

531
00:25:51.539 --> 00:25:52.200
understand the past.

532
00:25:52.259 --> 00:25:55.200
Got quite a nice hairy chest. one on the end, doesn't it?

533
00:25:55.259 --> 00:25:57.779
Yeah, so that's Sonny, yeah.

534
00:25:57.900 --> 00:26:00.420
The thing is, though, is that when that woman breaks down later on

535
00:26:00.420 --> 00:26:03.480
it just, it's so murder she wrote, you can just see in every

536
00:26:03.480 --> 00:26:04.200
procedure.

537
00:26:04.259 --> 00:26:05.400
Absolutely.

538
00:26:05.460 --> 00:26:07.019
That's exactly what it is.

539
00:26:07.079 --> 00:26:08.519
That's exactly what it is.

540
00:26:08.579 --> 00:26:12.839
She's just in here from another TV. tune into TNG for, you know

541
00:26:12.839 --> 00:26:13.079
though.

542
00:26:13.140 --> 00:26:15.599
Yeah, but sometimes you do get that.

543
00:26:15.660 --> 00:26:16.680
Do you know what I mean?

544
00:26:16.740 --> 00:26:19.619
It's not always sort of beautifully performed and the characters

545
00:26:19.619 --> 00:26:21.240
are really quite overwritten.

546
00:26:21.299 --> 00:26:25.200
The punching... study to be done on, if you look at all the guest

547
00:26:25.200 --> 00:26:29.579
actors of TNG, and then look at all the appearances in murder she

548
00:26:29.579 --> 00:26:32.460
wrote, and how the correlation. bet there's a lot.

549
00:26:32.519 --> 00:26:33.960
There must be a huge overlap.

550
00:26:34.019 --> 00:26:35.880
Oh, look, she's still wearing one of the, what are they called?

551
00:26:35.940 --> 00:26:38.759
There's a few people in scant, actually.

552
00:26:38.819 --> 00:26:42.299
I didn't see a man in scant, but there are a few scenes with women

553
00:26:42.299 --> 00:26:43.380
in scant.

554
00:26:43.440 --> 00:26:44.819
Why would they put them in these clothes?

555
00:26:44.880 --> 00:26:47.339
Look at these horrible fucking set as well.

556
00:26:47.400 --> 00:26:48.420
Blue clothes.

557
00:26:48.480 --> 00:26:51.660
Now, why don't you all wear identical clothes now?

558
00:26:51.720 --> 00:26:55.500
I mean, it's sort of like what it looks like to describe this to

559
00:26:55.500 --> 00:26:55.980
the listener.

560
00:26:56.039 --> 00:27:00.299
It's sort of like a polo neck, black polo neck with a dressing

561
00:27:00.299 --> 00:27:01.619
gown on top of it.

562
00:27:01.680 --> 00:27:02.519
It's very odd.

563
00:27:02.640 --> 00:27:08.940
So, we just saw a pretty significant moment, um, uh, which is data

564
00:27:08.940 --> 00:27:12.839
saying what year it is, and we've never known what year it is

565
00:27:12.839 --> 00:27:13.140
before.

566
00:27:13.200 --> 00:27:17.519
He says an encounter at Farpoint. from the Starfleet class of 78s

567
00:27:17.519 --> 00:27:19.740
but that's not what we settle on here.

568
00:27:19.799 --> 00:27:23.700
It's 2364, I think, is the date.

569
00:27:23.819 --> 00:27:27.180
And we've never heard the date on the screen in Star Trek before.

570
00:27:27.240 --> 00:27:31.319
So this is the beginning of what will eventually, I think, kind of

571
00:27:31.319 --> 00:27:35.339
throttle the franchise, which is mapping out the details of future

572
00:27:35.339 --> 00:27:35.759
history.

573
00:27:35.819 --> 00:27:37.920
Did you hear what that woman just said then?

574
00:27:37.980 --> 00:27:38.940
How racist.

575
00:27:39.000 --> 00:27:41.759
You know, that guy before, the guy with the head.

576
00:27:41.819 --> 00:27:42.180
Yeah.

577
00:27:42.180 --> 00:27:43.500
With the head.

578
00:27:43.559 --> 00:27:43.920
Yeah.

579
00:27:43.980 --> 00:27:46.859
It is a pretty bad head in series one though.

580
00:27:46.920 --> 00:27:50.099
Oh, that man, it's sort of a hillbilly man.

581
00:27:50.160 --> 00:27:51.720
He's got terrible teeth, hasn't he?

582
00:27:52.559 --> 00:27:57.480
I, I actually, I actually quite like him and one of the reasons

583
00:27:57.480 --> 00:28:02.640
that I like him is that he's, he's slang and stuff is so fun and

584
00:28:02.640 --> 00:28:06.000
so incomprehensible that I don't get it either.

585
00:28:06.059 --> 00:28:09.359
Like, I'm in the position that Riker and data are in.

586
00:28:09.420 --> 00:28:12.420
It's just like, because there's one thing where data turns to

587
00:28:12.420 --> 00:28:15.420
Riker to interpret the human expression, which is normal.

588
00:28:15.420 --> 00:28:17.339
And he goes, yep, no, I don't know.

589
00:28:17.400 --> 00:28:19.680
Do you know who that woman reminds me of?

590
00:28:19.740 --> 00:28:21.720
It's old Gillian from Star Trek 4.

591
00:28:21.900 --> 00:28:22.740
It's that same sort.

592
00:28:22.799 --> 00:28:26.460
She just went, can somebody please tell me what's going on here?

593
00:28:29.700 --> 00:28:33.119
This guy is so chill about being in the future.

594
00:28:33.240 --> 00:28:35.400
Like, he's he's actually quite cool.

595
00:28:35.460 --> 00:28:39.660
And there's, I love the bit at the end where, um, oh, we'll get

596
00:28:39.660 --> 00:28:43.799
there, but data has a great reaction to him and, and, uh, and I

597
00:28:43.799 --> 00:28:44.579
really enjoy it.

598
00:28:44.640 --> 00:28:47.279
Like, he really kind of bonds with data in a way that I think is

599
00:28:47.279 --> 00:28:48.059
quite nice.

600
00:28:48.180 --> 00:28:52.619
I like the fact that they call it cryonics. of cryogenics as

601
00:28:52.619 --> 00:28:52.859
well.

602
00:28:52.920 --> 00:28:54.299
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

603
00:28:54.359 --> 00:28:55.859
Because it's the bullshit version.

604
00:28:56.400 --> 00:28:58.319
Did you see that data going, hooey?

605
00:28:58.859 --> 00:29:01.619
Oh, but he knows, he works it out.

606
00:29:01.680 --> 00:29:03.539
He even comes up with his own words.

607
00:29:03.599 --> 00:29:07.680
I think I'm just too cynical to all of these data games now where

608
00:29:07.680 --> 00:29:09.599
they do it a lot though, don't they?

609
00:29:09.660 --> 00:29:10.920
Where he doesn't understand a word.

610
00:29:10.920 --> 00:29:12.119
Yeah, particularly early.

611
00:29:12.119 --> 00:29:15.299
And then somebody explains the word and it's the payoff's never

612
00:29:15.299 --> 00:29:15.720
very funny.

613
00:29:15.779 --> 00:29:17.160
No.

614
00:29:17.220 --> 00:29:21.000
But do you remember that it's just the 1st thing that we see him

615
00:29:21.000 --> 00:29:27.000
say in all good things when we go back to the very beginning to

616
00:29:27.000 --> 00:29:30.420
everyone arriving on the ship and data turns up and he doesn't

617
00:29:30.420 --> 00:29:31.319
understand a thing?

618
00:29:31.380 --> 00:29:34.259
There's some saying that he doesn't understand.

619
00:29:34.440 --> 00:29:36.359
Yeah, yeah, let's do it.

620
00:29:36.420 --> 00:29:39.839
He goes, all right, let's we have to do series one data for this

621
00:29:39.839 --> 00:29:41.400
which is kind of perfect.

622
00:29:41.460 --> 00:29:43.859
It's sort of watching the rushes coming in.

623
00:29:43.920 --> 00:29:45.599
He goes, no, you haven't got Tashia.

624
00:29:45.660 --> 00:29:46.319
Y's hair right.

625
00:29:46.380 --> 00:29:46.859
What are you doing?

626
00:29:51.119 --> 00:29:55.259
Oh, I just couldn't care less about these 3 though.

627
00:29:55.319 --> 00:29:56.759
Like, I tried.

628
00:29:56.819 --> 00:29:59.940
I try to be involved with their story.

629
00:30:00.000 --> 00:30:05.700
But they're deliberately written to sort of get in the way and

630
00:30:05.700 --> 00:30:09.900
they're treated like a nuisance and Picard is really mean to

631
00:30:09.900 --> 00:30:10.140
them.

632
00:30:10.200 --> 00:30:12.720
So I'm like, are we supposed to like them?

633
00:30:12.839 --> 00:30:14.519
Because they don't really want them there.

634
00:30:14.819 --> 00:30:18.720
Because I think what happens is, and this is the bit that's

635
00:30:18.720 --> 00:30:23.759
undercooked, is that Ralph manages to help out on the bridge with

636
00:30:23.759 --> 00:30:27.779
negotiations because of his skills of being an evil businessman

637
00:30:27.779 --> 00:30:32.279
you get Claire, who is uncontrollably sad, but then discovers

638
00:30:32.279 --> 00:30:35.819
about her future and thinks that she has a stake in the future.

639
00:30:35.880 --> 00:30:37.980
You know, the people who breed.

640
00:30:38.039 --> 00:30:39.900
They have a steak in the future.

641
00:30:40.019 --> 00:30:41.819
They own the future in some way.

642
00:30:41.880 --> 00:30:46.140
And so she has a kind of family and we don't dismiss the loss that

643
00:30:46.140 --> 00:30:49.740
she's had, but she's able to kind of contextualise it and cope

644
00:30:49.740 --> 00:30:50.099
with it.

645
00:30:50.160 --> 00:30:53.220
So something's happening there, and Sonny develops the friendship

646
00:30:53.220 --> 00:30:54.059
with data.

647
00:30:54.119 --> 00:30:57.359
And that's the most undercooked of them, but it is kind of, you

648
00:30:57.359 --> 00:31:00.480
know, you know, he gets the guitar and all of that.

649
00:31:00.539 --> 00:31:04.619
There's something, you know, there's something there and that's

650
00:31:04.619 --> 00:31:05.400
what's kind of happening.

651
00:31:05.460 --> 00:31:06.720
So we dismiss them.

652
00:31:06.779 --> 00:31:08.940
We kind of think, oh, we are so much better than them.

653
00:31:09.000 --> 00:31:11.700
How did we ever get through the 21st century with people like

654
00:31:11.700 --> 00:31:12.000
that?

655
00:31:12.059 --> 00:31:16.380
And then we discovered something that humanises them, I think, is

656
00:31:16.380 --> 00:31:17.519
meant to be the ark?

657
00:31:17.640 --> 00:31:20.700
But sort of the effect in the sort of middle of the episode is

658
00:31:20.700 --> 00:31:25.500
they're written a bit over the top and everyone's reacted them as

659
00:31:25.500 --> 00:31:26.099
if they're annoying.

660
00:31:26.160 --> 00:31:30.119
So the result is we're like, oh, just fuck off.

661
00:31:30.180 --> 00:31:31.500
We just want the Romulans, you know?

662
00:31:31.559 --> 00:31:33.779
But I mean, I don't like this.

663
00:31:33.839 --> 00:31:37.019
You know, it's looking at the, it's the, that would be what I

664
00:31:37.019 --> 00:31:38.460
would do with a replica.

665
00:31:38.519 --> 00:31:41.099
I would get it to make me a martini because I'm not a fucking

666
00:31:41.099 --> 00:31:44.880
monster like Sonny Clemons, I wouldn't have an even number of

667
00:31:44.880 --> 00:31:46.980
olives in it because I know what I'm doing.

668
00:31:47.099 --> 00:31:50.519
I would alter one of Deanna Troy's Iceland special chocolate

669
00:31:50.519 --> 00:31:51.779
sundaes.

670
00:31:51.779 --> 00:31:56.099
Well, I think I'd have a martini and a chocolate sundae, I think

671
00:31:56.160 --> 00:31:57.720
so indulgent, you know.

672
00:31:57.779 --> 00:31:59.400
But as well.

673
00:31:59.460 --> 00:32:03.240
One of the things I really don't like about the 1st season of TNG

674
00:32:03.240 --> 00:32:07.740
is just how pompous.

675
00:32:07.799 --> 00:32:08.759
Picard is, okay?

676
00:32:08.819 --> 00:32:12.119
And he spends a lot of the season, either given a speech to people

677
00:32:12.119 --> 00:32:15.779
that are, you know, low lives and going, well, we've taught you

678
00:32:15.779 --> 00:32:18.240
all a lesson now. war number two, let's go.

679
00:32:18.299 --> 00:32:20.279
You know, or like in this.

680
00:32:20.339 --> 00:32:24.359
We watched who watches the watches the watches recently, right?

681
00:32:24.420 --> 00:32:28.380
And that's the point where they have uninserted that enormous

682
00:32:28.380 --> 00:32:32.640
stick from Captain Picard's bar, and he behaved in a very

683
00:32:32.640 --> 00:32:36.299
sensitive, empathetic way with Nuria, who came along.

684
00:32:36.359 --> 00:32:38.759
Now, 2 seasons in the future.

685
00:32:38.819 --> 00:32:40.440
He probably would have done that here as well.

686
00:32:40.500 --> 00:32:44.160
These are people from the past who are disassociated, from

687
00:32:44.160 --> 00:32:47.880
everything they know, and he goes to Riker, oh, you deal with

688
00:32:47.880 --> 00:32:48.119
them.

689
00:32:48.180 --> 00:32:49.799
I can't be asked to deal with those people.

690
00:32:49.920 --> 00:32:52.920
That's the season one Picard, and I really don't like him.

691
00:32:53.220 --> 00:32:58.140
So, I mean, there's a whole scene, isn't there, when he 1st meets

692
00:32:58.140 --> 00:32:58.980
Riker?

693
00:32:59.039 --> 00:33:01.619
Like, and he meets him for the 1st time in Encounter at Farm Point

694
00:33:01.619 --> 00:33:06.539
where he explains to Riker that he's kind of obnoxious.

695
00:33:06.900 --> 00:33:07.740
I want you to stop...

696
00:33:07.799 --> 00:33:12.059
And hear me from making an ass of myself with children, Riker.

697
00:33:12.119 --> 00:33:15.480
And so that's all overwritten and, you know, like it has to be

698
00:33:15.480 --> 00:33:16.259
establishing stuff.

699
00:33:16.319 --> 00:33:20.400
But here, so they turn up behind his back, you know, the 1st sea

700
00:33:20.400 --> 00:33:22.980
discovers is that Beverly's unfrozen them.

701
00:33:23.039 --> 00:33:24.059
He doesn't know anything about them.

702
00:33:24.119 --> 00:33:27.720
He's in the middle of something that's very kind of that is being

703
00:33:27.720 --> 00:33:32.220
painted as a massive deal, even though it's consumed, virtually no

704
00:33:32.220 --> 00:33:34.799
screen time at this point, which is the Romulan thing.

705
00:33:34.859 --> 00:33:37.559
You know, something big and scary and momentous happening.

706
00:33:37.619 --> 00:33:39.180
They're heading to the neutral zone.

707
00:33:39.240 --> 00:33:40.799
He doesn't have time to deal with this.

708
00:33:40.859 --> 00:33:43.079
And so he deputises Riker.

709
00:33:43.140 --> 00:33:44.460
And it's a different...

710
00:33:44.460 --> 00:33:47.640
There is still a conscious shift in his character, though.

711
00:33:47.700 --> 00:33:48.839
At the same way.

712
00:33:48.900 --> 00:33:49.319
Oh, absolutely.

713
00:33:49.380 --> 00:33:51.900
He would never behave like this later, but it was an interesting

714
00:33:51.900 --> 00:33:55.980
thing to consider was, don't you think, making the captain a bit

715
00:33:55.980 --> 00:33:57.359
grumpy and a bit distant?

716
00:33:57.420 --> 00:34:00.839
Like, you're initiating him from Kirk?

717
00:34:00.900 --> 00:34:02.519
It makes right to like that, right?

718
00:34:02.579 --> 00:34:04.920
Because he's the one dealing with all this dodgy work.

719
00:34:04.920 --> 00:34:08.820
That's right. that's right And that's why they walk it back, I

720
00:34:08.820 --> 00:34:09.059
think.

721
00:34:09.179 --> 00:34:13.440
But, like, they say now where he goes, you know, Riker, did you

722
00:34:13.440 --> 00:34:16.260
give him permission to use the communication system?

723
00:34:16.320 --> 00:34:18.360
Why are people not allowed to do that then?

724
00:34:18.420 --> 00:34:20.159
Yeah, and then he goes into the room.

725
00:34:20.159 --> 00:34:23.579
He points in his face and goes, you know, don't you ever use that

726
00:34:23.579 --> 00:34:23.880
again?

727
00:34:23.940 --> 00:34:25.679
Who the hell are you?

728
00:34:25.739 --> 00:34:26.940
You big bully.

729
00:34:27.480 --> 00:34:30.000
Just stop being such a prick.

730
00:34:30.300 --> 00:34:31.679
Yeah.

731
00:34:31.739 --> 00:34:36.179
But I mean, it is like they don't fully get their situation and

732
00:34:36.179 --> 00:34:39.900
it's a warshipping in a sort of perilous situation, you know?

733
00:34:39.960 --> 00:34:43.199
I think as well, there is an element of Patrick Stewart's

734
00:34:43.199 --> 00:34:48.840
unhappiness. in series one because all the actors say, oh, he was

735
00:34:48.840 --> 00:34:49.920
just so uptight.

736
00:34:50.099 --> 00:34:53.280
And they were all trying to have fun and he would literally be

737
00:34:53.280 --> 00:34:56.699
there on the set going, we're not here to have fun, you know.

738
00:34:56.760 --> 00:35:01.920
And one day, Denise Crosby sat him down and went, Patrick, we're

739
00:35:01.920 --> 00:35:04.260
here for 17 hours a day, all right.

740
00:35:04.440 --> 00:35:08.340
We'll do the acting of these shitty scripts, but please let us

741
00:35:08.340 --> 00:35:08.699
have fun.

742
00:35:08.760 --> 00:35:15.480
And one of the most beautiful things is they took this RSE prick.

743
00:35:15.480 --> 00:35:19.800
And actually, they softened him and then he fell in love with all

744
00:35:19.800 --> 00:35:20.219
these actors.

745
00:35:20.219 --> 00:35:24.539
And then as the show continues, You can see how in love with them

746
00:35:24.539 --> 00:35:25.199
he is.

747
00:35:25.260 --> 00:35:26.760
It's rather wonderful.

748
00:35:26.880 --> 00:35:27.659
And then he comes back.

749
00:35:27.719 --> 00:35:30.480
It means you have to suffer his own years is the trouble.

750
00:35:30.539 --> 00:35:31.619
Yeah, exactly.

751
00:35:31.679 --> 00:35:35.400
But like, he's being sort of hilariously.

752
00:35:35.460 --> 00:35:39.659
He's actually being quite forbearing here, Mr. Offenhouse, we're

753
00:35:39.659 --> 00:35:41.579
in the middle of an important meeting right now.

754
00:35:42.599 --> 00:35:46.199
Oh, I just can't do these reference.

755
00:35:46.800 --> 00:35:48.599
Data, what is the QE 2?

756
00:35:48.659 --> 00:35:50.460
A passenger linus.

757
00:35:50.699 --> 00:35:52.019
Oh, Christ, all right.

758
00:35:52.079 --> 00:35:54.900
Morris Hurley, will you give this script another pass, please?

759
00:35:55.440 --> 00:35:57.599
So it's still around.

760
00:35:57.659 --> 00:35:58.380
Did you know that?

761
00:35:58.440 --> 00:36:00.719
It's in Dubai in the horror of Dubai.

762
00:36:00.780 --> 00:36:01.679
It's a hotel.

763
00:36:01.800 --> 00:36:02.940
It's a floating hotel.

764
00:36:03.000 --> 00:36:04.019
It doesn't go anywhere.

765
00:36:04.079 --> 00:36:05.820
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

766
00:36:05.940 --> 00:36:11.460
Oh, oh. his hair. is fabulous, isn't it?

767
00:36:13.380 --> 00:36:15.239
I love it.

768
00:36:15.300 --> 00:36:18.480
He says, this is the worst run ship I've ever been on.

769
00:36:18.539 --> 00:36:19.739
Got to pick up.

770
00:36:19.800 --> 00:36:21.239
The card actually turns up.

771
00:36:21.300 --> 00:36:25.079
Like, I think he's being a little bit conciliatory here.

772
00:36:25.139 --> 00:36:25.860
Do you know what I mean?

773
00:36:25.920 --> 00:36:27.420
Like he's not telling...

774
00:36:27.480 --> 00:36:29.460
He shakes his hand, but why can it do away with that?

775
00:36:29.519 --> 00:36:31.079
You'll see that finger point in a second.

776
00:36:31.260 --> 00:36:33.599
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

777
00:36:33.659 --> 00:36:35.460
And that too.

778
00:36:35.519 --> 00:36:37.679
Like his reaction here is quite good.

779
00:36:37.739 --> 00:36:40.559
If they're that important, why don't they need a key?

780
00:36:40.619 --> 00:36:44.460
And it's kind of like, this is how your world differs from mine?

781
00:36:44.519 --> 00:36:45.480
Yeah?

782
00:36:45.539 --> 00:36:49.320
Like, because no one would use them out of turn, you know?

783
00:36:49.380 --> 00:36:52.920
Then surely, if I was the guy from the past, I'd be going, yeah

784
00:36:52.920 --> 00:36:53.460
but do you know what?

785
00:36:53.519 --> 00:36:54.840
I'm new here, all right?

786
00:36:54.900 --> 00:36:57.300
And this isn't what the world is like where I'm from.

787
00:36:57.360 --> 00:36:58.980
So cut me a break.

788
00:36:59.039 --> 00:36:59.760
He doesn't do that.

789
00:36:59.820 --> 00:37:00.480
Do you know what I mean?

790
00:37:00.539 --> 00:37:04.619
He says, my situation is more critical than yours because I earn a

791
00:37:04.619 --> 00:37:05.940
lot of money and you don't.

792
00:37:06.000 --> 00:37:07.199
Do you know what I mean?

793
00:37:07.260 --> 00:37:09.480
Like, that's his approach.

794
00:37:09.539 --> 00:37:10.440
I think he's quite chill.

795
00:37:10.500 --> 00:37:13.320
I mean, they do have another part.

796
00:37:13.380 --> 00:37:15.659
Do you remember when they bring Samuel Clements into the future in

797
00:37:15.659 --> 00:37:19.260
Time's Arrow and he's walking the corridors and he's talking about

798
00:37:19.260 --> 00:37:20.280
money with Troy?

799
00:37:20.280 --> 00:37:23.039
And she goes, you know, we don't need that anymore.

800
00:37:23.159 --> 00:37:26.460
You know, we don't, we long since moved past those things.

801
00:37:26.519 --> 00:37:29.760
And Samuel Kennedy is going, and you're telling me that life just

802
00:37:29.760 --> 00:37:30.780
isn't like that anymore.

803
00:37:30.840 --> 00:37:32.159
And she goes, yeah.

804
00:37:32.219 --> 00:37:35.639
And then he goes, hmm, maybe there's something to the future after

805
00:37:35.639 --> 00:37:35.940
all.

806
00:37:35.940 --> 00:37:38.219
And it's all done in one scene.

807
00:37:38.280 --> 00:37:38.820
It's wonderful.

808
00:37:38.880 --> 00:37:42.900
Yeah, this is laboured, but but this guy has a different attitude

809
00:37:42.900 --> 00:37:47.219
towards capitalism than Samuel Clements, you know, uh, Jerry

810
00:37:47.219 --> 00:37:48.599
Harton as well, Ben.

811
00:37:48.659 --> 00:37:49.380
Yeah, yeah.

812
00:37:49.440 --> 00:37:51.179
Oh, obviously, charming as hell.

813
00:37:51.239 --> 00:37:52.079
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

814
00:37:52.139 --> 00:37:57.179
But this, we've a, so we get to restate that.

815
00:37:57.179 --> 00:37:59.280
We get to restate.

816
00:37:59.460 --> 00:38:02.039
It's never been about possessions.

817
00:38:02.099 --> 00:38:02.940
It's about power.

818
00:38:03.179 --> 00:38:05.400
Power to do what?

819
00:38:05.400 --> 00:38:07.139
says Captain Picard.

820
00:38:07.199 --> 00:38:10.739
Yeah, but it that kind of control.

821
00:38:10.800 --> 00:38:12.239
It's an illusion.

822
00:38:12.960 --> 00:38:14.639
I don't know.

823
00:38:14.760 --> 00:38:16.500
You see, I like this interaction.

824
00:38:16.619 --> 00:38:18.239
I do like this interaction.

825
00:38:18.360 --> 00:38:22.019
I like what they're saying, I don't think the dialogue is much cob

826
00:38:22.019 --> 00:38:22.199
though.

827
00:38:22.260 --> 00:38:24.360
No, no, I agree.

828
00:38:24.420 --> 00:38:24.840
I agree.

829
00:38:25.199 --> 00:38:32.099
And this is odd too. because he's terrible in these situations. and

830
00:38:32.099 --> 00:38:35.159
she's kind of, she's not irrational or anything like that.

831
00:38:35.219 --> 00:38:38.400
You know, she's not, this is sort of reasonable.

832
00:38:38.460 --> 00:38:41.219
Why is she the only person thinking about her family?

833
00:38:41.280 --> 00:38:42.480
Oh, that's right, because she's the woman.

834
00:38:42.780 --> 00:38:44.880
Well, yeah, there's that.

835
00:38:44.940 --> 00:38:46.559
And she's a homemaker, remember?

836
00:38:46.619 --> 00:38:48.659
Where he's thinking about his money.

837
00:38:48.719 --> 00:38:52.860
And Sonny Clements is thinking about his ex-wives, but he doesn't

838
00:38:52.860 --> 00:38:53.400
have any children.

839
00:38:53.460 --> 00:38:54.539
Look, he touches her on the shoulder.

840
00:38:54.599 --> 00:38:57.599
Yeah, and then he goes, Roy, cut to Troy.

841
00:38:57.659 --> 00:39:00.360
Yeah, I'll get a woman to deal with. with this woman, please.

842
00:39:00.420 --> 00:39:03.119
There's a crying woman in my on my sheep.

843
00:39:03.179 --> 00:39:04.199
Can you go and deal with it, please?

844
00:39:04.320 --> 00:39:05.340
Where is again?

845
00:39:05.400 --> 00:39:09.119
Again, can we please just think about how he treated a woman in

846
00:39:09.119 --> 00:39:10.500
who watches the watches?

847
00:39:10.559 --> 00:39:12.960
Yeah, she was the leader.

848
00:39:13.019 --> 00:39:14.519
So sensitive with her.

849
00:39:15.059 --> 00:39:18.900
And I like this too, where he's honest with him.

850
00:39:18.960 --> 00:39:21.480
And then Pecan says that's the 1st thing you said that I

851
00:39:21.480 --> 00:39:24.179
understand, you know, like, you know.

852
00:39:24.239 --> 00:39:28.800
So again, that conversation has them back down a bit from the

853
00:39:28.800 --> 00:39:32.400
conflict and then eventually he plays an important role on that

854
00:39:32.400 --> 00:39:32.760
thing.

855
00:39:32.820 --> 00:39:34.860
Like, I don't, you know, like, it's embryonic.

856
00:39:34.920 --> 00:39:36.840
It's not very good, but...

857
00:39:36.840 --> 00:39:37.980
He's trying to do something.

858
00:39:38.099 --> 00:39:40.440
Well, you get those people under control, please.

859
00:39:40.500 --> 00:39:42.059
You're the control.

860
00:39:42.119 --> 00:39:44.340
You arrogant brick.

861
00:39:45.000 --> 00:39:47.099
Oh no, here we go.

862
00:39:47.219 --> 00:39:49.320
The string started coming in here.

863
00:39:49.440 --> 00:39:51.539
My name's Deanna.

864
00:39:51.599 --> 00:39:52.559
Oh, my family.

865
00:39:54.000 --> 00:39:58.679
Oh, she used the word shrink, which she doesn't recognise, which I

866
00:39:58.679 --> 00:39:59.400
think is really great.

867
00:40:00.059 --> 00:40:02.039
I mean you're right.

868
00:40:02.099 --> 00:40:09.239
It is nice that whilst Beverly and Troy are in sort of typically

869
00:40:09.239 --> 00:40:11.099
female centre roles.

870
00:40:11.159 --> 00:40:13.559
It is nice that Tasha Yard.

871
00:40:13.619 --> 00:40:14.880
Oh, no, she's gone in, she's dead.

872
00:40:14.940 --> 00:40:16.559
She's gone at this point.

873
00:40:16.619 --> 00:40:19.139
She's still in the opening credits, but she's gone.

874
00:40:19.260 --> 00:40:19.679
Yeah.

875
00:40:19.739 --> 00:40:24.539
I suppose the next woman that comes in that isn't is Rowe, isn't

876
00:40:24.539 --> 00:40:24.719
it?

877
00:40:24.840 --> 00:40:25.920
And some row.

878
00:40:25.980 --> 00:40:26.460
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

879
00:40:26.519 --> 00:40:27.840
Got wait a couple of years for that, yeah.

880
00:40:27.960 --> 00:40:29.579
Yeah, that's right.

881
00:40:29.639 --> 00:40:33.719
Although, you know, Pulaski may be in a, she may be a doctor, but

882
00:40:33.719 --> 00:40:34.920
she's fucking terrifying.

883
00:40:34.980 --> 00:40:36.360
Yeah, yeah.

884
00:40:36.420 --> 00:40:39.780
I actually love how she talks about her husband as well.

885
00:40:39.840 --> 00:40:44.099
Like Donald, like that he's a bit of a deep shit and a bit of, uh

886
00:40:44.099 --> 00:40:48.000
you know, like he obviously would have loved cryonics because it

887
00:40:48.000 --> 00:40:51.960
was clearly a scam, you know, so no wonder she spent the money and

888
00:40:51.960 --> 00:40:52.260
stuff.

889
00:40:52.380 --> 00:40:54.539
And then she thinks about why he does it.

890
00:40:54.599 --> 00:40:58.440
Because, I mean, just her thing is that her, everyone she knows is

891
00:40:58.440 --> 00:41:01.199
dead at this point, you know, like she's suddenly lost people.

892
00:41:01.260 --> 00:41:03.960
She, unlike the other 2, didn't know that she was dying.

893
00:41:04.019 --> 00:41:06.300
You know, it came as a surprise to her.

894
00:41:06.420 --> 00:41:10.619
And it, like, it is, like, it's a sort of shitty TV thing and it's

895
00:41:10.619 --> 00:41:13.320
you know, you know, come on.

896
00:41:13.320 --> 00:41:15.599
Whatever happens to my children.

897
00:41:15.659 --> 00:41:16.920
Did they get married?

898
00:41:16.980 --> 00:41:17.699
Did they have kids?

899
00:41:18.000 --> 00:41:21.179
It's a so, isn't it?

900
00:41:21.239 --> 00:41:24.179
It's really right, but it is actually a proper thing.

901
00:41:24.239 --> 00:41:25.139
Do you know what I mean?

902
00:41:25.199 --> 00:41:26.519
Yeah, no, no.

903
00:41:26.579 --> 00:41:27.300
The sentiment.

904
00:41:27.360 --> 00:41:28.800
What she's saying is fine.

905
00:41:28.860 --> 00:41:30.119
It's how it's presented.

906
00:41:30.179 --> 00:41:30.659
Yeah.

907
00:41:30.659 --> 00:41:34.199
No, because I, like the thing that it reminded me of, like, I

908
00:41:34.199 --> 00:41:39.900
don't want to get all thing about it, but, like, my mother was

909
00:41:39.900 --> 00:41:44.099
gone before I finished university, and so she never found out

910
00:41:44.099 --> 00:41:49.019
anything about what my life was like, or who I grew up to be, or

911
00:41:49.019 --> 00:41:52.139
you know, what job I ended up doing and stuff like that.

912
00:41:52.199 --> 00:41:53.699
She never found any of that out.

913
00:41:53.760 --> 00:41:59.699
And so I actually found the fact that Deanna was able to do that

914
00:41:59.699 --> 00:42:01.019
for this woman.

915
00:42:01.079 --> 00:42:02.340
Do you know what I mean?

916
00:42:02.400 --> 00:42:03.179
She died.

917
00:42:03.239 --> 00:42:08.820
She never found out what her kid's life was like, and Deanna helps

918
00:42:08.820 --> 00:42:12.480
her find it out through the magic of 24th century technology.

919
00:42:12.539 --> 00:42:14.760
And so that resonated with me a little bit.

920
00:42:14.820 --> 00:42:16.139
I thought that that was actually quite good.

921
00:42:16.199 --> 00:42:21.480
No, and I have seen this idea done elsewhere extremely well.

922
00:42:21.539 --> 00:42:24.719
I don't I don't think the instinct of what they're trying to do is

923
00:42:24.719 --> 00:42:25.019
bad.

924
00:42:25.079 --> 00:42:27.119
It's just how it's all portrayed.

925
00:42:27.179 --> 00:42:28.739
I mean, did you hear him?

926
00:42:28.739 --> 00:42:31.860
Talk to Beverly, then he goes, there ain't no need about it

927
00:42:31.860 --> 00:42:32.400
darling.

928
00:42:32.460 --> 00:42:34.380
Look at this, look at this.

929
00:42:34.440 --> 00:42:37.559
He just, you're about the prettiest little old doctor I ever seen

930
00:42:37.559 --> 00:42:40.679
and then he touches a bum and then she goes.

931
00:42:41.519 --> 00:42:44.039
She should have slapped him round the face.

932
00:42:44.760 --> 00:42:48.539
Just sort of think, oh my god, people from the past.

933
00:42:48.599 --> 00:42:49.739
They're such deep shit.

934
00:42:50.460 --> 00:42:52.380
I mean, so...

935
00:42:52.380 --> 00:42:55.380
And it leaves into that thing we always say about gates is that

936
00:42:55.380 --> 00:43:00.239
when she gets to react in a human way, she's fired.

937
00:43:00.300 --> 00:43:03.000
She was quite funny there. that earlier on where she went, you

938
00:43:03.000 --> 00:43:07.079
know, Jean-Luc, I unfroze them, you know, it's terrible.

939
00:43:07.260 --> 00:43:09.780
But you see, I like this too.

940
00:43:09.840 --> 00:43:14.460
She's gone from being just uncontrollably sad to like actually

941
00:43:14.460 --> 00:43:16.500
having something to hang on to.

942
00:43:16.559 --> 00:43:17.639
And she's still sad.

943
00:43:17.699 --> 00:43:18.599
It's not fixed.

944
00:43:18.659 --> 00:43:22.380
The thing that we missed was the screen with all of the

945
00:43:22.380 --> 00:43:26.099
grandchildren was originally all of the Doctor Who's and a few

946
00:43:26.099 --> 00:43:26.519
other people.

947
00:43:26.579 --> 00:43:27.420
Yeah.

948
00:43:27.420 --> 00:43:31.019
And now, as you, as you say, sent to me.

949
00:43:31.079 --> 00:43:31.679
Yeah, yeah.

950
00:43:31.679 --> 00:43:33.000
It's what the TNG actors.

951
00:43:33.059 --> 00:43:34.920
It's a TNG crew.

952
00:43:35.099 --> 00:43:36.420
Yeah, why did they change it?

953
00:43:36.420 --> 00:43:37.019
the actors.

954
00:43:37.380 --> 00:43:42.059
Because they, because of the, um, because I don't think they

955
00:43:42.059 --> 00:43:43.980
intended it to be visible.

956
00:43:44.039 --> 00:43:48.300
You know, it was one of those in jokes that they didn't want to do

957
00:43:48.420 --> 00:43:50.760
know that people making this, though, you know, had some taste.

958
00:43:50.880 --> 00:43:53.639
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right.

959
00:43:53.699 --> 00:43:54.840
They love Doctor Who.

960
00:43:54.960 --> 00:43:57.300
That bit a 2nd ago where she's looking at the screen and reading

961
00:43:57.300 --> 00:43:58.440
about her kids, yeah.

962
00:43:58.500 --> 00:43:59.460
Yeah.

963
00:43:59.460 --> 00:44:02.460
It is a good moment as written.

964
00:44:02.519 --> 00:44:04.500
The actress, she's just not up to it.

965
00:44:04.559 --> 00:44:06.900
There's nothing happening in her face at all.

966
00:44:06.960 --> 00:44:10.980
No, but I just think she's charming and pretty, and I think that

967
00:44:10.980 --> 00:44:14.099
that's what she's there to do, and she's mumsy and stuff.

968
00:44:14.159 --> 00:44:18.719
Like she sells the that sort of person, but she is a very 80s TV

969
00:44:18.719 --> 00:44:22.739
actor and it's a very 80s TV performance and I don't think that it

970
00:44:22.739 --> 00:44:23.460
ever struck me.

971
00:44:23.579 --> 00:44:27.000
It must be a long time since I've seen this, but just the sheer

972
00:44:27.000 --> 00:44:31.500
80sness on display here, is so much more vivid because you've got

973
00:44:31.500 --> 00:44:36.659
these 3 characters from the present day. absurd thing of watching

974
00:44:36.659 --> 00:44:38.460
modern TV recently, right?

975
00:44:38.519 --> 00:44:39.480
I've been watching Severance.

976
00:44:39.599 --> 00:44:43.500
And even like the one shot guest actors that turn up in that

977
00:44:43.500 --> 00:44:43.739
show.

978
00:44:43.800 --> 00:44:47.280
I'll give him performances so nuanced.

979
00:44:47.340 --> 00:44:48.780
So interesting to watch.

980
00:44:48.900 --> 00:44:54.059
I mean, the compari- I know this was years and years ago, but they

981
00:44:54.059 --> 00:44:55.500
can do it in TNG, though.

982
00:44:55.559 --> 00:44:56.820
They do have guest actors coming.

983
00:44:56.880 --> 00:44:58.500
I mean, Gene Simmons.

984
00:44:58.559 --> 00:44:58.860
Hello?

985
00:44:58.920 --> 00:45:01.619
You know, they have people come in, absolutely close your mind.

986
00:45:01.679 --> 00:45:03.659
They're still not quite there yet.

987
00:45:03.780 --> 00:45:05.639
No, no.

988
00:45:05.699 --> 00:45:08.519
And I mean, this is crappy kind of network TV.

989
00:45:08.579 --> 00:45:09.420
Do you know what I mean?

990
00:45:09.480 --> 00:45:13.380
Like severance is expensive prestige TV of a kind that probably

991
00:45:13.380 --> 00:45:14.400
didn't really exist.

992
00:45:14.460 --> 00:45:16.079
I don't know, in 1998.

993
00:45:16.320 --> 00:45:17.400
Oh there you go.

994
00:45:17.460 --> 00:45:20.159
That was the information there about it being scooped off the

995
00:45:20.159 --> 00:45:20.519
planet.

996
00:45:20.579 --> 00:45:23.099
Yeah, scooped off the surface of the planet.

997
00:45:23.159 --> 00:45:25.380
So this is definitely the board.

998
00:45:25.440 --> 00:45:28.199
And I think originally the idea, and there's hints of it here, that

999
00:45:28.199 --> 00:45:31.980
the Romulans and the Federation or the Enterprise were going to

1000
00:45:31.980 --> 00:45:35.340
team up and go and investigate the Borg.

1001
00:45:35.400 --> 00:45:38.579
And eventually we just have to short circuit that by having it

1002
00:45:38.579 --> 00:45:41.820
happen by magic in Qhu next season.

1003
00:45:41.880 --> 00:45:43.679
I mean, I've got both Michael Pitt, I have to wait.

1004
00:45:43.739 --> 00:45:46.260
He looked at series one and he went, well, do you know what?

1005
00:45:46.320 --> 00:45:47.579
Scooped off.

1006
00:45:47.639 --> 00:45:48.539
That's a really great idea.

1007
00:45:48.599 --> 00:45:48.900
Right.

1008
00:45:48.960 --> 00:45:50.039
We'll have the ball do that.

1009
00:45:50.099 --> 00:45:51.719
We'll show it. see that.

1010
00:45:51.780 --> 00:45:54.780
And he goes, oh, Tasha, you are dying.

1011
00:45:54.840 --> 00:45:56.460
That wasn't very satisfying. you know what?

1012
00:45:56.519 --> 00:45:59.940
We'll bring her back to the one episode and give her a heroic

1013
00:45:59.940 --> 00:46:00.599
ending. yeah.

1014
00:46:00.659 --> 00:46:03.719
Look at Sonny's shitty guitar.

1015
00:46:03.780 --> 00:46:04.800
It's so great.

1016
00:46:05.699 --> 00:46:08.579
No wonder he has a successful career.

1017
00:46:08.639 --> 00:46:12.119
He even says, you know, like here in the future, no one will know

1018
00:46:12.119 --> 00:46:17.099
any of the, any of the shit, you know, any anything that I know.

1019
00:46:17.159 --> 00:46:18.119
No one will know it.

1020
00:46:18.179 --> 00:46:20.460
So I'll be new and exciting.

1021
00:46:20.519 --> 00:46:22.860
I did appreciate that line there where he went.

1022
00:46:22.920 --> 00:46:24.900
Why don't you just relax and let them get on with their jobs?

1023
00:46:25.019 --> 00:46:27.420
But of course, it's arrogant, man.

1024
00:46:27.480 --> 00:46:28.500
There's now off to the bridge.

1025
00:46:28.559 --> 00:46:31.320
Oh my god, the music's coming in a second.

1026
00:46:34.559 --> 00:46:36.059
So good.

1027
00:46:36.119 --> 00:46:39.300
It's sort of like an underscore of dun dun.

1028
00:46:39.360 --> 00:46:40.139
Dun, dun, dun.

1029
00:46:40.260 --> 00:46:41.219
Dun, dun.

1030
00:46:41.280 --> 00:46:42.539
That is so good.

1031
00:46:43.320 --> 00:46:47.400
I'm not lying when I say I listen to this stuff for fun, you know

1032
00:46:47.400 --> 00:46:47.820
off YouTube.

1033
00:46:47.880 --> 00:46:49.679
No, I know, I know.

1034
00:46:49.800 --> 00:46:55.320
So we're about to see on screen for the 1st time as well.

1035
00:46:55.619 --> 00:47:02.880
The very 1st Derodex class Romulan Warbird, which I think is

1036
00:47:02.880 --> 00:47:04.559
absolutely stunning.

1037
00:47:04.679 --> 00:47:09.239
And actually, it's so funny because when DS 9 has the ability to

1038
00:47:09.239 --> 00:47:11.340
switch across to CGI.

1039
00:47:11.400 --> 00:47:15.059
It does mean that all of the special effects work is suddenly a

1040
00:47:15.059 --> 00:47:19.679
lot more dynamic, but the Romulan ships, when they're not models

1041
00:47:19.679 --> 00:47:23.219
and when they're CG, there's something a bit cartoony about them.

1042
00:47:23.280 --> 00:47:26.099
This model work is stunningly good.

1043
00:47:26.159 --> 00:47:27.900
Incredible, isn't it?

1044
00:47:27.960 --> 00:47:29.400
But think about that.

1045
00:47:29.460 --> 00:47:33.119
We already had the Klingon bird of prey from the films.

1046
00:47:33.179 --> 00:47:37.139
Yeah, so that was already established and sometimes they actually

1047
00:47:37.139 --> 00:47:40.559
used footage from the films for the Klingon bird of prey on this

1048
00:47:40.559 --> 00:47:41.039
show.

1049
00:47:41.099 --> 00:47:42.719
So that was already there.

1050
00:47:42.780 --> 00:47:44.880
It's a slightly greener green.

1051
00:47:44.940 --> 00:47:48.539
This is a sort of darker, more blue, blue green.

1052
00:47:48.599 --> 00:47:51.480
I think it's an astounding looking ship.

1053
00:47:51.539 --> 00:47:57.840
It looks huge and it's like, I think Star Trek in this era gets

1054
00:47:57.840 --> 00:47:58.739
the ship's right.

1055
00:47:58.800 --> 00:48:01.860
There's a lot of ships that look the same in Star Trek, the Next

1056
00:48:01.860 --> 00:48:04.139
Generation, because they're physical models and they can't have to

1057
00:48:04.139 --> 00:48:05.219
build a new one each time.

1058
00:48:05.280 --> 00:48:10.679
But, you know, the hero models, like the Cardassian ships look

1059
00:48:10.679 --> 00:48:12.840
really distinctive and interesting.

1060
00:48:12.900 --> 00:48:14.760
Yep, yep, yeah.

1061
00:48:15.119 --> 00:48:19.380
They follow it through in GS9, because I think the Gemadar ships

1062
00:48:19.380 --> 00:48:20.099
look great as well.

1063
00:48:20.219 --> 00:48:21.719
Amazing.

1064
00:48:21.780 --> 00:48:22.920
Both types of shit.

1065
00:48:22.980 --> 00:48:25.440
I can't remember what the caisson ships look like, you know?

1066
00:48:25.500 --> 00:48:26.280
What do they look like?

1067
00:48:26.340 --> 00:48:28.380
They're a bit like Cardassian, aren't they?

1068
00:48:28.440 --> 00:48:29.159
A beer.

1069
00:48:29.219 --> 00:48:32.699
They're the same colour as Cardassian, but they're like a, they've

1070
00:48:32.699 --> 00:48:36.119
also got a kind of predatory bird kind of shape to them, to their

1071
00:48:36.119 --> 00:48:37.320
heads, sort of thing.

1072
00:48:37.440 --> 00:48:40.260
And we discover they're trade ships, of course.

1073
00:48:41.039 --> 00:48:43.679
Copying this and not doing it quite as well.

1074
00:48:43.739 --> 00:48:45.360
Yeah, yeah.

1075
00:48:45.420 --> 00:48:46.679
No, I think that they look good.

1076
00:48:46.739 --> 00:48:48.840
Do you remember the little one that shoots in through the window

1077
00:48:48.840 --> 00:48:53.099
in like alliances or whatever, like it's a little helicopter

1078
00:48:53.099 --> 00:48:53.519
thing?

1079
00:48:53.880 --> 00:48:55.260
I think they look cool.

1080
00:48:55.320 --> 00:48:55.980
Yeah.

1081
00:48:56.039 --> 00:48:56.880
Yeah.

1082
00:48:56.940 --> 00:48:59.159
Again, they do good ships, I think.

1083
00:48:59.219 --> 00:49:00.960
I think the birds of prey might be my favourite, though.

1084
00:49:01.019 --> 00:49:03.719
Just when they swoop in, they just look so cool.

1085
00:49:03.780 --> 00:49:07.860
Well, but they obviously pre-exist, you know, they're they're

1086
00:49:07.860 --> 00:49:10.019
already around from from them.

1087
00:49:10.019 --> 00:49:11.400
They beef them up a bit, though, don't they?

1088
00:49:11.460 --> 00:49:12.360
You know, yeah.

1089
00:49:12.480 --> 00:49:13.980
And give us some serious hardware.

1090
00:49:17.880 --> 00:49:20.699
Like, what are the security guards?

1091
00:49:20.760 --> 00:49:21.599
just standing there.

1092
00:49:21.659 --> 00:49:23.099
Oh, wait, there's a guy.

1093
00:49:23.159 --> 00:49:24.300
You know who that man is?

1094
00:49:24.360 --> 00:49:25.079
holding him.

1095
00:49:25.139 --> 00:49:29.340
It's the same man who gets frozen in and counter a far point, which

1096
00:49:29.340 --> 00:49:31.980
Troy goes, it's frozen.

1097
00:49:33.599 --> 00:49:36.119
Oh, look at that.

1098
00:49:36.119 --> 00:49:39.239
Actually, obviously that's been tarted up for HD.

1099
00:49:39.360 --> 00:49:40.679
That looks even better.

1100
00:49:40.739 --> 00:49:42.539
Incredible, doesn't it?

1101
00:49:42.599 --> 00:49:44.039
Just amazing.

1102
00:49:44.099 --> 00:49:46.199
We're doing some spaceship porn here.

1103
00:49:46.559 --> 00:49:48.539
Live reactions.

1104
00:49:48.840 --> 00:49:52.559
And I like the fact they get they make it a moment as well.

1105
00:49:52.619 --> 00:49:56.820
They do, you know, Ron Jones brings in really exciting music

1106
00:49:56.880 --> 00:49:59.099
everyone's giving it a sense of gravity.

1107
00:49:59.219 --> 00:50:04.260
Because, I mean, there is a Romulan war, but original trek in

1108
00:50:04.260 --> 00:50:08.099
balance of terror, but it looks a bit shit, and it has a, like, it

1109
00:50:08.099 --> 00:50:11.099
has a very distinctive design as well, but this is just streets

1110
00:50:11.099 --> 00:50:11.639
ahead of that.

1111
00:50:11.699 --> 00:50:12.719
It looks amazing.

1112
00:50:12.780 --> 00:50:16.139
I was so typical of early 90s trek in that, you know, they bring

1113
00:50:16.139 --> 00:50:18.900
it in and you're like, my God, there's going to be an all out, you

1114
00:50:18.900 --> 00:50:20.099
know, there's going to be a fight.

1115
00:50:20.159 --> 00:50:24.599
No, the climax is the Romulan just goes, well, we're back.

1116
00:50:24.900 --> 00:50:26.460
That's it.

1117
00:50:26.519 --> 00:50:27.119
Yeah.

1118
00:50:27.179 --> 00:50:32.280
But again, what that is, like, it's a very low level, oh, what

1119
00:50:32.280 --> 00:50:33.119
happens now?

1120
00:50:33.179 --> 00:50:38.760
You know, like even Picant says our world or our lives just got a

1121
00:50:38.760 --> 00:50:42.300
little bit more interesting, which is absolutely true.

1122
00:50:42.360 --> 00:50:43.619
Yeah, that's right.

1123
00:50:43.679 --> 00:50:44.579
That's right.

1124
00:50:44.639 --> 00:50:46.320
Oh, no way.

1125
00:50:46.380 --> 00:50:47.820
We're going to season two.

1126
00:50:47.880 --> 00:50:49.079
It's a little while, yeah.

1127
00:50:49.139 --> 00:50:50.460
Yeah, yeah.

1128
00:50:50.519 --> 00:50:52.380
Romulan's in series 2, aren't they?

1129
00:50:52.500 --> 00:50:53.519
I can't remember.

1130
00:50:53.579 --> 00:50:54.179
But you know what?

1131
00:50:54.239 --> 00:50:54.960
Look who's here.

1132
00:50:55.019 --> 00:50:57.059
I mean, Marco Lamo is always fabulous.

1133
00:50:57.119 --> 00:50:58.920
I really feel sorry for them.

1134
00:50:58.980 --> 00:51:01.019
Those shoulder pads are something else, aren't they?

1135
00:51:01.139 --> 00:51:06.960
So this is Michael Lemo's 2nd appearance in Star Trek, The Next

1136
00:51:06.960 --> 00:51:07.500
Generation.

1137
00:51:07.559 --> 00:51:08.760
Who was he?

1138
00:51:08.940 --> 00:51:11.340
He's an Antikon.

1139
00:51:11.400 --> 00:51:12.840
Oh, of course.

1140
00:51:13.139 --> 00:51:15.780
It was a large meal.

1141
00:51:15.840 --> 00:51:16.619
Lieutenant.

1142
00:51:16.739 --> 00:51:18.539
Yeah, I remember.

1143
00:51:20.099 --> 00:51:25.800
But he came back with, it gets to wear slightly less makeup here.

1144
00:51:27.000 --> 00:51:28.980
Do you remember the line?

1145
00:51:29.039 --> 00:51:30.119
He goes, what is it now?

1146
00:51:30.179 --> 00:51:35.760
If violence does break out, we will not start it, Lieutenant Yar

1147
00:51:35.760 --> 00:51:38.099
but we will finish it.

1148
00:51:40.380 --> 00:51:42.420
I love that episode.

1149
00:51:42.539 --> 00:51:47.579
And actually, he comes back again in Times Arrow.

1150
00:51:47.639 --> 00:51:49.320
He's one of the gamblers in that.

1151
00:51:49.380 --> 00:51:49.920
Okay.

1152
00:51:49.920 --> 00:51:52.079
So they sort of keep using him.

1153
00:51:52.139 --> 00:51:56.639
Obviously, he's the Cardassian masse in the wounded until they

1154
00:51:56.639 --> 00:51:59.039
finally give him a regular. find a role for him.

1155
00:51:59.099 --> 00:51:59.880
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1156
00:51:59.940 --> 00:52:03.659
It's like his audition pieces, TNG, and then he gets his full role

1157
00:52:03.659 --> 00:52:04.320
in DS9.

1158
00:52:04.500 --> 00:52:05.940
And thank God he did.

1159
00:52:06.059 --> 00:52:08.579
Yeah, he's so good, isn't he?

1160
00:52:08.639 --> 00:52:09.300
He's tremendous.

1161
00:52:09.360 --> 00:52:10.440
Yeah, but this.

1162
00:52:10.500 --> 00:52:18.420
So this guy, like this guy, he understands what's going on, you

1163
00:52:18.420 --> 00:52:22.440
know, and he gives the crucial advice and then Picard recognises

1164
00:52:22.440 --> 00:52:22.739
it.

1165
00:52:22.800 --> 00:52:24.119
They've had the conflict.

1166
00:52:24.179 --> 00:52:28.320
Picard's been dismissive of him, and it turns out that he's not

1167
00:52:28.320 --> 00:52:31.800
completely useless in the 24th century, which I think is okay.

1168
00:52:31.860 --> 00:52:33.659
And they don't dwell on it.

1169
00:52:33.719 --> 00:52:36.840
You know, they don't make it a thing, but that's clearly where his

1170
00:52:36.840 --> 00:52:37.500
plot's going.

1171
00:52:37.559 --> 00:52:41.760
They don't have to give that Romulan ship a sense of depth like

1172
00:52:41.760 --> 00:52:42.179
they do.

1173
00:52:42.239 --> 00:52:44.219
That's a really interesting choice.

1174
00:52:44.280 --> 00:52:47.940
Normally, it would just be a room, you know, but they've chosen to

1175
00:52:48.000 --> 00:52:48.960
have 2 levels to it.

1176
00:52:49.739 --> 00:52:54.239
I mean, part of the problem is, of course, you've got that set

1177
00:52:54.239 --> 00:52:58.619
which is a one offset and vastly cheaper than the main set that

1178
00:52:58.619 --> 00:52:59.820
we're currently in.

1179
00:52:59.880 --> 00:53:01.739
And so you have to do something.

1180
00:53:01.800 --> 00:53:05.159
And so the way they do is they just have a length of corridor with

1181
00:53:05.159 --> 00:53:07.500
a person behind it at one of the controllers.

1182
00:53:07.559 --> 00:53:10.139
Don't you have earlier in the season, when the Ferengi 1st turned

1183
00:53:10.139 --> 00:53:10.440
off?

1184
00:53:10.500 --> 00:53:12.900
And his whole face filled the view screen.

1185
00:53:12.960 --> 00:53:13.619
Yeah, yeah.

1186
00:53:13.679 --> 00:53:16.800
So we didn't have to see how she was.

1187
00:53:16.920 --> 00:53:19.739
That's why God, they've got some money now.

1188
00:53:19.800 --> 00:53:24.539
We've got a backdrop Oh, dear.

1189
00:53:24.599 --> 00:53:28.559
Although, like I said to you in a message, I really like the fact

1190
00:53:28.559 --> 00:53:32.219
that they are sowing seeds here rather than showing the conflict

1191
00:53:32.219 --> 00:53:32.519
now.

1192
00:53:32.519 --> 00:53:36.059
And then they go on to explore this in wonderful episodes.

1193
00:53:36.119 --> 00:53:38.460
The enemy, the defector.

1194
00:53:38.519 --> 00:53:41.519
What's the Troy one called, Face of the Enemy.

1195
00:53:41.579 --> 00:53:42.599
Yep, yeah.

1196
00:53:42.599 --> 00:53:44.219
Yeah, wonderful website.

1197
00:53:44.280 --> 00:53:48.900
I mean, I think when the politicing starts in unification, I

1198
00:53:48.900 --> 00:53:50.519
really have issues with unification.

1199
00:53:50.579 --> 00:53:53.699
I think it's quite drab, but yeah, yeah.

1200
00:53:53.760 --> 00:53:57.179
But it's a huge event, you know, and it is a huge thing.

1201
00:53:57.239 --> 00:53:59.579
And think about where the Romulans go.

1202
00:53:59.639 --> 00:54:02.940
Like, think about where we are in Picard series one with the

1203
00:54:02.940 --> 00:54:03.659
Romulans.

1204
00:54:03.719 --> 00:54:06.480
Like they're still around. interesting, you know.

1205
00:54:06.539 --> 00:54:10.260
You're, I mean, I know you're less keen on it than I am, but that

1206
00:54:10.260 --> 00:54:10.800
wonderful.

1207
00:54:10.860 --> 00:54:15.239
I will bring the Romulans into the war and in the pale moonlight

1208
00:54:15.239 --> 00:54:15.539
you know?

1209
00:54:15.599 --> 00:54:18.360
They become big players in the alpha portion.

1210
00:54:18.420 --> 00:54:21.480
Yeah, yeah, yeah. yeah It's hugely important and it's happening

1211
00:54:21.480 --> 00:54:21.840
here.

1212
00:54:21.900 --> 00:54:25.739
Like, you know, the Romulans are not huge in original Trek.

1213
00:54:25.800 --> 00:54:26.820
They're much bigger here.

1214
00:54:28.260 --> 00:54:30.119
Oh, here we go.

1215
00:54:30.179 --> 00:54:31.679
Back to this woman and her family.

1216
00:54:31.739 --> 00:54:35.579
Look at the shitty foil wallpaper behind.

1217
00:54:35.639 --> 00:54:36.900
Did you say that?

1218
00:54:36.900 --> 00:54:40.559
Hideous pot plants that were in that room they were in earlier.

1219
00:54:40.619 --> 00:54:41.219
Yeah.

1220
00:54:41.219 --> 00:54:43.380
In that orphan guest lounge.

1221
00:54:43.440 --> 00:54:44.340
So bad.

1222
00:54:44.400 --> 00:54:49.079
I don't know who's buying the sort of the, yeah, yeah. extraneous

1223
00:54:49.079 --> 00:54:49.739
furniture.

1224
00:54:49.860 --> 00:54:50.639
I need shooting.

1225
00:54:50.699 --> 00:54:54.780
Did you see that terrible effect on the screen of the man's face?

1226
00:54:54.840 --> 00:54:55.260
Yeah.

1227
00:54:55.260 --> 00:54:57.360
It's 3D face.

1228
00:54:57.420 --> 00:54:57.900
Shocking.

1229
00:54:57.960 --> 00:55:01.559
It reminded me of sort of poem back in the day, you know, when it

1230
00:55:01.559 --> 00:55:02.579
would come across the screen.

1231
00:55:02.579 --> 00:55:04.320
It would take a long time to download.

1232
00:55:04.380 --> 00:55:05.519
Yeah.

1233
00:55:06.179 --> 00:55:09.599
I shouldn't really be admitting it, that sort of thing, shouldn't

1234
00:55:09.599 --> 00:55:09.780
I?

1235
00:55:09.840 --> 00:55:10.320
Oh, well.

1236
00:55:10.380 --> 00:55:14.699
No, I just remember that scene where comic book guy in The

1237
00:55:14.699 --> 00:55:17.820
Simpsons is trying to download porn of Captain Janeway and it

1238
00:55:17.820 --> 00:55:19.019
appears just line by line.

1239
00:55:19.079 --> 00:55:22.320
I was very aware watching this this morning, right?

1240
00:55:22.380 --> 00:55:24.780
Oh God, there's only 3 minutes left.

1241
00:55:24.840 --> 00:55:27.960
Like, how are they going to wrap this up with the Romulans and all

1242
00:55:27.960 --> 00:55:29.039
these people in 3 minutes?

1243
00:55:29.340 --> 00:55:30.300
They're just like, we're not.

1244
00:55:30.300 --> 00:55:32.460
And it just bins.

1245
00:55:32.519 --> 00:55:36.179
You people go off and the Romulans will deal with them later.

1246
00:55:37.019 --> 00:55:39.239
But this, what will I do?

1247
00:55:39.300 --> 00:55:40.199
How will I live?

1248
00:55:40.260 --> 00:55:43.380
And it like he just says, well, this is the 24th century, we

1249
00:55:43.380 --> 00:55:45.840
better ourselves, material needs no longer exists.

1250
00:55:45.900 --> 00:55:47.099
This is the mission statement.

1251
00:55:47.159 --> 00:55:48.900
This is wrapping up the season.

1252
00:55:48.960 --> 00:55:52.199
This is what we were introduced to because all that post-scarcity

1253
00:55:52.199 --> 00:55:56.099
stuff is not explicit in Star Trek, the original series, but it's

1254
00:55:56.099 --> 00:55:58.260
hugely important to Star Trek the Next Generation.

1255
00:55:58.320 --> 00:56:00.420
And so this is why we work.

1256
00:56:00.480 --> 00:56:02.039
We don't work for money.

1257
00:56:02.099 --> 00:56:03.539
We work to enrich ourselves.

1258
00:56:03.599 --> 00:56:04.440
That's why we're here.

1259
00:56:04.500 --> 00:56:08.579
I like to think that Mr. Offenhaus goes, yeah, I don't want to do

1260
00:56:08.579 --> 00:56:09.539
that, Captain Picard.

1261
00:56:09.599 --> 00:56:12.239
And then he goes to DS9 and hangs with Quark for a bit.

1262
00:56:12.239 --> 00:56:15.659
And because obviously money's very important to him. money.

1263
00:56:15.659 --> 00:56:16.380
There is money.

1264
00:56:16.440 --> 00:56:17.039
Yeah.

1265
00:56:17.039 --> 00:56:19.079
Does some dodgy dealing.

1266
00:56:19.139 --> 00:56:22.380
See, I love this where he says, oh, you know, I'm going to try and

1267
00:56:22.380 --> 00:56:25.739
make it as a musician because nobody knows my staff and I could be

1268
00:56:25.739 --> 00:56:28.619
a success and Picard's response is, well, yes, anything is

1269
00:56:28.619 --> 00:56:31.139
possible, which I think is really great.

1270
00:56:31.199 --> 00:56:34.619
And then he says to Data, do you want to come with me, boy, or

1271
00:56:34.619 --> 00:56:34.920
whatever?

1272
00:56:34.980 --> 00:56:37.440
And Data says, I'm actually intrigued.

1273
00:56:37.440 --> 00:56:40.500
And then people look at Data and go, you're kidding me?

1274
00:56:40.559 --> 00:56:42.300
I also think it's great.

1275
00:56:42.360 --> 00:56:45.300
So I love the idea that data is actually intrigued enough by Sonny

1276
00:56:45.300 --> 00:56:48.179
Clemens to maybe, you know, go with him and be his roadie or

1277
00:56:48.179 --> 00:56:50.519
something for just a few milliseconds.

1278
00:56:51.239 --> 00:56:52.199
You might want to watch that.

1279
00:56:52.260 --> 00:56:53.159
I don't.

1280
00:56:55.019 --> 00:56:59.820
I was watching his makeup in that last scene and I know it's an

1281
00:56:59.820 --> 00:57:02.219
odd thing to say about a character that, you know, always looks

1282
00:57:02.219 --> 00:57:03.119
like a zombie.

1283
00:57:03.179 --> 00:57:06.480
But, oh, he looks like he's got jaundice or something, doesn't

1284
00:57:06.480 --> 00:57:06.599
he?

1285
00:57:06.719 --> 00:57:07.980
Yeah, yeah.

1286
00:57:08.039 --> 00:57:11.579
It takes a while before they get the makeup. has had nothing to do

1287
00:57:11.579 --> 00:57:12.780
in this finale, has he?

1288
00:57:12.840 --> 00:57:14.519
Yeah, yep.

1289
00:57:14.579 --> 00:57:17.219
Yeah, so this, you know, here he's going.

1290
00:57:17.280 --> 00:57:21.179
There's still much to do, still so much to learn, like this is

1291
00:57:21.179 --> 00:57:25.500
just him saying, sorry, this season was a bit shit, but we will do

1292
00:57:25.500 --> 00:57:27.420
some exciting things next year.

1293
00:57:27.480 --> 00:57:31.019
You know, like...

1294
00:57:31.079 --> 00:57:33.539
Okay, let's please, can we dissect that comment there?

1295
00:57:33.599 --> 00:57:36.059
Because I don't think all of Suras one issue.

1296
00:57:36.119 --> 00:57:37.380
I mean, no, it's mostly shit.

1297
00:57:37.440 --> 00:57:38.400
No, it's not.

1298
00:57:39.960 --> 00:57:46.380
I love crazy shit, like skin of evil. and what's the one with the

1299
00:57:46.380 --> 00:57:48.719
weapons floating around, you know, with Beverly Crusher?

1300
00:57:49.199 --> 00:57:50.099
Wonderful.

1301
00:57:50.159 --> 00:57:54.719
Oh, you know, I mean, I don't think it's good, but when the bow

1302
00:57:54.719 --> 00:57:57.960
breaks with a fabulous planet, Aldea popping out of existence

1303
00:57:57.960 --> 00:57:59.880
there's something to series one.

1304
00:57:59.940 --> 00:58:03.300
I don't, I can't, I'm not sure I can tangibly say what it is.

1305
00:58:04.320 --> 00:58:08.280
But they they're trying a lot and I do like that.

1306
00:58:08.340 --> 00:58:10.320
Because when they figure out what they're doing.

1307
00:58:10.380 --> 00:58:14.579
They try less and they just do what they do well a lot.

1308
00:58:14.940 --> 00:58:20.219
Yeah, I mean, when we say they try less, they try less weird

1309
00:58:20.219 --> 00:58:24.000
unsuccessful things, I think it's what they try.

1310
00:58:24.119 --> 00:58:30.480
Because I do think that they do like an amazing job, you know, and

1311
00:58:30.480 --> 00:58:33.780
there's a huge variety of different types of episodes, you know

1312
00:58:33.780 --> 00:58:37.199
think about the game in the middle of series 5 where we've had

1313
00:58:37.199 --> 00:58:41.699
Dharmok and and, you know, power play and and later on we get

1314
00:58:41.699 --> 00:58:42.900
cause and effect and all of that.

1315
00:58:42.960 --> 00:58:46.619
Like that's an incredible and a really varied season that succeeds

1316
00:58:46.619 --> 00:58:49.139
by doing a huge range of different things.

1317
00:58:49.199 --> 00:58:52.199
Although, it's quite delightful that we've explored a fair bit of

1318
00:58:52.199 --> 00:58:52.860
this already.

1319
00:58:52.920 --> 00:58:55.380
They come the final season, you know, where they're all a bit

1320
00:58:55.380 --> 00:58:55.800
bored.

1321
00:58:55.860 --> 00:58:59.280
They go back to the season one approach of just trying any old

1322
00:58:59.280 --> 00:59:00.539
random shit.

1323
00:59:00.599 --> 00:59:04.440
Genesis, you know, the magical brick, all of that weird stuff

1324
00:59:04.440 --> 00:59:04.920
going on.

1325
00:59:04.980 --> 00:59:06.900
Fantasm. to the battle.

1326
00:59:06.960 --> 00:59:10.199
Um, so, do you know what's strange, right?

1327
00:59:10.320 --> 00:59:13.440
The child started. gone straight into the next episode.

1328
00:59:13.500 --> 00:59:14.760
Skip straight to Sirius 2.

1329
00:59:14.940 --> 00:59:16.380
Suddenly, Riker's got a beard.

1330
00:59:16.440 --> 00:59:17.880
Everyone's sitting up on the bridge.

1331
00:59:17.940 --> 00:59:22.679
Wesley crushes in a new uniform and oh, Troy's being impregnated

1332
00:59:22.679 --> 00:59:23.820
by a light as well.

1333
00:59:23.880 --> 00:59:25.199
Like Tinker Bell.

1334
00:59:25.260 --> 00:59:26.039
Yes.

1335
00:59:26.699 --> 00:59:28.320
They did make a lot of changes.

1336
00:59:28.380 --> 00:59:30.239
At least they looked at one and went, hmm.

1337
00:59:30.360 --> 00:59:32.460
I think we need to make some revisions here.

1338
00:59:32.519 --> 00:59:35.760
Oh, and they get, and 10 forward as well. 10 forward and they give

1339
00:59:35.760 --> 00:59:36.539
Geordie a job.

1340
00:59:36.599 --> 00:59:38.340
Make they give Geordie a proper job.

1341
00:59:38.400 --> 00:59:39.719
That was quite important, wasn't it?

1342
00:59:39.840 --> 00:59:40.440
Paul Levine.

1343
00:59:40.500 --> 00:59:42.840
Yeah, like absolutely crucial, I think.

1344
00:59:43.260 --> 00:59:45.539
Yeah, so I don't know.

1345
00:59:45.599 --> 00:59:49.320
Like, I'm I'm not saying that series one is shit, but you can see

1346
00:59:49.320 --> 00:59:53.099
them, you know, they introduce the Romulans and say we're going to

1347
00:59:53.099 --> 00:59:54.179
do something with them.

1348
00:59:54.300 --> 00:59:57.179
They introduce the mystery of the Borg and they end up paying that

1349
00:59:57.179 --> 00:59:58.139
off.

1350
00:59:58.199 --> 01:00:01.019
They have the writer's strike that fucks their plans up for a

1351
01:00:01.019 --> 01:00:05.039
whole year and let's say the next season's a bit of a disaster.

1352
01:00:05.099 --> 01:00:08.639
But once the riders are back and everything's under control, they

1353
01:00:08.639 --> 01:00:10.260
turn the show into something pretty great.

1354
01:00:10.320 --> 01:00:14.099
And you can see them heading towards that in that finale.

1355
01:00:14.219 --> 01:00:18.480
I quite appreciate going back to early TNG because I really think

1356
01:00:18.480 --> 01:00:23.039
we get to see what does work later on when we see what wasn't

1357
01:00:23.039 --> 01:00:23.340
working.

1358
01:00:23.400 --> 01:00:30.059
But I think part of it is I can still feel that excitement I felt

1359
01:00:30.059 --> 01:00:35.099
when I 1st watched series one and this was just the most exciting

1360
01:00:35.099 --> 01:00:36.000
TV show.

1361
01:00:36.059 --> 01:00:36.900
I had ever seen.

1362
01:00:36.960 --> 01:00:41.099
Visually sumptuous, you know, phaser battles.

1363
01:00:41.159 --> 01:00:44.519
We were going across the whole universe, you know, this wasn't

1364
01:00:44.519 --> 01:00:47.159
science fiction on a shoestring, like Doctor Who.

1365
01:00:47.219 --> 01:00:48.780
Yeah, yeah.

1366
01:00:48.840 --> 01:00:51.539
Now we look at it and go, oh, dear, oh, dear, they didn't have

1367
01:00:51.539 --> 01:00:52.320
much money, did they?

1368
01:00:52.380 --> 01:00:53.579
inexpensive.

1369
01:00:55.019 --> 01:00:59.760
Will we look back on Star Trek discovery in 50 years and go, oh

1370
01:00:59.760 --> 01:01:01.260
dear, what was happening there?

1371
01:01:02.460 --> 01:01:04.079
Who knows?

1372
01:01:04.139 --> 01:01:09.539
But no, that was I think I can see more worth having seen it

1373
01:01:09.539 --> 01:01:13.980
through your eyes, but it's still a bit lame.

1374
01:01:14.039 --> 01:01:17.280
Oh yeah, I think that's, I think that's fair.

1375
01:01:17.340 --> 01:01:21.300
What I said was that I appreciated what it was doing and I thought

1376
01:01:21.300 --> 01:01:25.559
it was an interesting, you know, moment in Star Trek history

1377
01:01:25.559 --> 01:01:28.920
something that was a bit illustrative of what was going on in the

1378
01:01:28.920 --> 01:01:29.280
show.

1379
01:01:29.280 --> 01:01:33.719
And that history, you know, is so weird and so contingent.

1380
01:01:33.780 --> 01:01:36.719
It just sort of happens that they land on something in series 3

1381
01:01:36.719 --> 01:01:41.219
and then, you know, 150 years later, we're still making and

1382
01:01:41.219 --> 01:01:42.840
watching new Star Trek as a result.

1383
01:01:43.559 --> 01:01:47.460
I don't want to say that, you know, watching a load of hillbillies

1384
01:01:47.460 --> 01:01:51.119
come to the future isn't exciting, but I'd much rather watch, you

1385
01:01:51.119 --> 01:01:52.980
know, Armus, the skin of evil.

1386
01:01:53.579 --> 01:01:56.820
Killing Tasha Yar and things like that.

1387
01:01:56.880 --> 01:01:57.719
Yeah.

1388
01:01:57.780 --> 01:01:59.699
So I look forward to the next time we come back to one.

1389
01:01:59.820 --> 01:02:01.199
Yeah, me too.

1390
01:02:07.260 --> 01:02:10.980
All right, it's the end of the episode and it's time for us to

1391
01:02:10.980 --> 01:02:13.320
work out where we're going next.

1392
01:02:13.380 --> 01:02:18.480
I chose this, and it was an excellent choice, turns out, and that

1393
01:02:18.480 --> 01:02:24.059
means it's your turn to take control of the randomiser.

1394
01:02:24.119 --> 01:02:24.719
Where are we gonna go?

1395
01:02:24.780 --> 01:02:28.260
Are we redefining the term excellent choice?

1396
01:02:28.320 --> 01:02:31.380
Well, I mean, not an excellent episode, but that's certainly

1397
01:02:31.380 --> 01:02:32.159
something to talk about.

1398
01:02:32.219 --> 01:02:33.480
It was, it was.

1399
01:02:33.539 --> 01:02:38.400
I've only got one piece of music to sing to you. da, da, da, da, da

1400
01:02:38.400 --> 01:02:39.360
da, da.

1401
01:02:39.480 --> 01:02:43.019
I messaged you earlier today and said like, oh, maybe yesterday.

1402
01:02:43.079 --> 01:02:45.539
And say, I want to hang out with my gang again, because it feels

1403
01:02:45.539 --> 01:02:48.840
like it's been a while since I've been on the station with Kira

1404
01:02:48.840 --> 01:02:52.079
and Quark, and so now I know I'm going to get something that isn't

1405
01:02:52.079 --> 01:02:56.159
set on the station and... something that's terrible.

1406
01:02:56.280 --> 01:02:57.000
Truly awful.

1407
01:02:57.119 --> 01:03:00.239
I've got a feeling I've got to press the button a few times until

1408
01:03:00.239 --> 01:03:03.000
I get something reasonably good because I've just watched Learning

1409
01:03:03.000 --> 01:03:04.920
Curve and the neutral zone.

1410
01:03:04.980 --> 01:03:06.659
Yeah, fair enough.

1411
01:03:06.719 --> 01:03:10.380
Be nice to be reminded that something of worth came out of 90s

1412
01:03:10.380 --> 01:03:10.619
trek.

1413
01:03:10.679 --> 01:03:12.059
Okay.

1414
01:03:12.119 --> 01:03:12.480
All right.

1415
01:03:13.139 --> 01:03:14.219
Okay, off you go.

1416
01:03:14.519 --> 01:03:17.099
Oh no, this isn't so great.

1417
01:03:17.159 --> 01:03:20.280
Season two, episode 11, rivals.

1418
01:03:20.340 --> 01:03:25.199
That's the one where Bashir and O'Brien play racquetball for a

1419
01:03:25.199 --> 01:03:27.900
whole episode and the neutrinos are spinning in the wrong

1420
01:03:27.900 --> 01:03:32.280
direction, meaning that O'Brien's really good and Bashir's

1421
01:03:32.280 --> 01:03:32.579
terrible.

1422
01:03:32.639 --> 01:03:36.059
Oh, there's something affecting probability or something?

1423
01:03:36.119 --> 01:03:37.079
Is that it?

1424
01:03:37.139 --> 01:03:37.679
that's the one.

1425
01:03:37.739 --> 01:03:38.039
Yeah.

1426
01:03:38.099 --> 01:03:40.320
These sort of games.

1427
01:03:40.320 --> 01:03:42.960
It's a big name guest star in that one.

1428
01:03:43.019 --> 01:03:45.780
Somebody was quite big in lie entertainment at the time.

1429
01:03:45.960 --> 01:03:47.579
Right, okay.

1430
01:03:47.639 --> 01:03:50.400
Let's not do that Oh, we've done this one.

1431
01:03:50.460 --> 01:03:53.699
Season five, episode 20, Ferenke love songs.

1432
01:03:53.760 --> 01:03:59.219
Sometimes the only thing more dangerous than a question is an

1433
01:03:59.219 --> 01:04:01.019
answer, if you recall.

1434
01:04:02.880 --> 01:04:08.460
Ooh.

1435
01:04:08.460 --> 01:04:09.360
I'm quite tempted.

1436
01:04:09.480 --> 01:04:10.320
It's terrible, is it?

1437
01:04:10.440 --> 01:04:14.400
And it is on the station and everybody's involved.

1438
01:04:14.699 --> 01:04:16.980
Oh my god, is it babel?

1439
01:04:17.039 --> 01:04:18.960
No, but there is a wedding.

1440
01:04:19.019 --> 01:04:21.480
Season six, episode seven.

1441
01:04:21.539 --> 01:04:23.280
You are cordially invited.

1442
01:04:23.340 --> 01:04:24.960
Oh yeah, we have to do that.

1443
01:04:25.019 --> 01:04:26.340
Yeah, we're doing that.

1444
01:04:26.400 --> 01:04:27.480
That'd be brilliant.

1445
01:04:27.480 --> 01:04:30.179
Sitting there dressed like a rising and slut.

1446
01:04:33.360 --> 01:04:35.039
Yeah, what is it?

1447
01:04:35.099 --> 01:04:37.260
You need to go back and beg to Sirella.

1448
01:04:37.320 --> 01:04:40.079
And Dax goes, I don't beg.

1449
01:04:40.199 --> 01:04:42.480
Oh, it's glorious.

1450
01:04:42.539 --> 01:04:43.619
Do you wanna do that one?

1451
01:04:43.679 --> 01:04:45.420
Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.

1452
01:04:45.480 --> 01:04:46.500
Absolutely, we do it.

1453
01:04:46.619 --> 01:04:49.199
It's the one where they decide we don't want to wrap up Odo and

1454
01:04:49.199 --> 01:04:49.500
Kira.

1455
01:04:49.559 --> 01:04:51.840
We just have them go into a cupboard and then they'll come out.

1456
01:04:52.260 --> 01:04:55.500
At the end of the party and it's all sorted.

1457
01:04:55.559 --> 01:04:57.840
I think it could be a lot of fun.

1458
01:04:57.900 --> 01:04:59.039
Yeah, let's do it.

1459
01:04:59.039 --> 01:04:59.460
That'd be fun.

1460
01:04:59.519 --> 01:05:01.139
We've done 2 run more comedies before.

1461
01:05:01.199 --> 01:05:06.840
We did House of Cork and what was the other, what was the other

1462
01:05:06.840 --> 01:05:07.559
Grillka one?

1463
01:05:07.619 --> 01:05:09.780
Looking for palmark in all the wrong places?

1464
01:05:09.840 --> 01:05:11.099
Oh, no, yep.

1465
01:05:11.099 --> 01:05:11.460
Hang on.

1466
01:05:11.519 --> 01:05:13.500
We've also done take me out to the holosuite.

1467
01:05:13.559 --> 01:05:14.880
We done quite a lot of remore comedy.

1468
01:05:15.000 --> 01:05:15.840
Well, good.

1469
01:05:15.900 --> 01:05:16.860
I like them.

1470
01:05:16.920 --> 01:05:19.679
Well, it's time to watch Dax and Worf get married.

1471
01:05:19.739 --> 01:05:20.460
Brilliant.

1472
01:05:20.519 --> 01:05:21.179
Awesome.

1473
01:05:21.239 --> 01:05:22.260
Looking forward to it.

1474
01:05:29.579 --> 01:05:33.360
You've been listening to Untitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford

1475
01:05:33.360 --> 01:05:37.440
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1476
01:05:36.539 --> 01:05:40.079
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1477
01:05:40.079 --> 01:05:40.920
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1478
01:05:41.039 --> 01:05:44.820
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1479
01:05:44.820 --> 01:05:46.500
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1480
01:05:46.619 --> 01:05:51.119
This episode was recorded on the 1st of April 2025 and released on

1481
01:05:51.119 --> 01:05:52.079
the 4th of April.

1482
01:05:52.139 --> 01:05:56.039
We'll see you next time for Star Trek Deep Space 9, you are

1483
01:05:56.039 --> 01:05:57.179
cordially invited.

1484
01:06:15.239 --> 01:06:16.440
That's brilliant.

1485
01:06:16.559 --> 01:06:18.599
Oh, God, there's another...

1486
01:06:18.659 --> 01:06:20.639
I actually think McDonald's is pretty good in this one.

1487
01:06:20.699 --> 01:06:21.119
What is it?

1488
01:06:21.179 --> 01:06:23.099
They've got a fast.

1489
01:06:23.159 --> 01:06:27.000
Bashir and O'Brien and Cisco. got a fast whilst they're doing the

1490
01:06:27.000 --> 01:06:28.559
bachelor party with Wharf.

1491
01:06:28.559 --> 01:06:31.440
And then, because of the wedding, looks like it's off.

1492
01:06:31.500 --> 01:06:35.340
They didn't, they order all this a massive banquet of food and

1493
01:06:35.340 --> 01:06:36.719
court brings it all out.

1494
01:06:36.780 --> 01:06:38.219
Discover the wedding set gone.

1495
01:06:38.280 --> 01:06:39.659
The wedding's back on.

1496
01:06:39.719 --> 01:06:41.400
And he goes, what is it?

1497
01:06:41.460 --> 01:06:45.119
No food for those on the path to cow hire.

1498
01:06:45.239 --> 01:06:48.239
And then court goes, yeah, no refunds for those on the path to

1499
01:06:48.239 --> 01:06:49.019
count.

1500
01:06:52.619 --> 01:06:54.059
Oh yeah, we'll have fun with this.

1501
01:06:54.119 --> 01:06:55.679
Yeah, that would be good.

1502
01:06:55.800 --> 01:06:56.820
Yeah.

1503
01:06:56.880 --> 01:06:59.099
They do comedy well, then.

1504
01:06:59.099 --> 01:07:02.159
I don't know who the mother-in-law is, but God, she's a presence.

1505
01:07:02.219 --> 01:07:04.199
I forgot my name she is.

1506
01:07:07.559 --> 01:07:10.800
Sorella is just sister in Italian.

1507
01:07:13.860 --> 01:07:16.559
Invited, DS nine.

1508
01:07:16.619 --> 01:07:17.400
Let's have a look.

1509
01:07:17.460 --> 01:07:20.519
Oh, man, Chatsy, it looks so gorgeous in that dress.

1510
01:07:21.780 --> 01:07:24.000
Who is Syrilla?

1511
01:07:24.599 --> 01:07:26.940
Shannon Cochrane?

1512
01:07:27.000 --> 01:07:28.079
I don't know who that is.

1513
01:07:28.139 --> 01:07:29.760
And what has she done?

1514
01:07:29.820 --> 01:07:30.659
Oh, bloody hell.

1515
01:07:30.719 --> 01:07:32.159
A lot.

1516
01:07:32.219 --> 01:07:36.900
Oh, she's one of those ones, like modern family, friends.

1517
01:07:36.960 --> 01:07:41.159
Great's Anatomy, Law and Order, Frasier.

1518
01:07:41.940 --> 01:07:44.340
Star Trek Nemesis.

1519
01:07:45.420 --> 01:07:50.940
Beautiful outfit. directed by that dipshit David Livingston.

1520
01:07:53.400 --> 01:07:56.219
Oh, geez, Cyrella.

1521
01:07:56.280 --> 01:08:00.119
And actually, I think it's one of the very rare episodes where

1522
01:08:00.119 --> 01:08:02.039
they have a party in 90s trek.

1523
01:08:02.099 --> 01:08:04.260
I remember David Liberton saying in an interview.

1524
01:08:04.320 --> 01:08:05.820
I just wanted some energy in it.

1525
01:08:05.880 --> 01:08:10.260
Usually the parties in 90s trek are people standing around

1526
01:08:10.260 --> 01:08:13.559
discussing politics with synth hole, you know, and things like

1527
01:08:13.559 --> 01:08:13.800
that.

1528
01:08:13.860 --> 01:08:20.100
Well, do you remember, um, uh, how surprising that party is in, um

1529
01:08:20.100 --> 01:08:24.600
oh, the, magic to make the sanest man go mad, where you just sort

1530
01:08:24.600 --> 01:08:27.779
of think, oh, that's an actual party, and, you know, they, of

1531
01:08:27.779 --> 01:08:30.779
course, you've got Tilly there making it more of an actual party

1532
01:08:30.779 --> 01:08:32.220
by being a kind of real person.

1533
01:08:32.939 --> 01:08:37.079
That brings to this because she insists that the fella from

1534
01:08:37.079 --> 01:08:40.500
Captain Shelby's ship comes along.

1535
01:08:40.560 --> 01:08:41.760
I'm looking at him.

1536
01:08:41.760 --> 01:08:43.319
He takes all of his clothes off.

1537
01:08:43.439 --> 01:08:46.680
He takes all of his clothes off and starts juggling fire.

1538
01:08:46.920 --> 01:08:48.359
I know.

1539
01:08:48.420 --> 01:08:49.020
Look at him.

1540
01:08:49.079 --> 01:08:51.659
Lieutenant Manuela at all.

1541
01:08:51.720 --> 01:08:53.159
Yeah, very pretty.

1542
01:08:53.220 --> 01:08:54.420
It's super hot.

1543
01:08:54.479 --> 01:08:55.020
Look at him.

1544
01:08:56.039 --> 01:09:02.159
Nogs in the background doing that weird comedy dance where there's

1545
01:09:02.159 --> 01:09:06.239
a one there's a little outtake on the DVD where David where Aaron

1546
01:09:06.239 --> 01:09:08.520
Eisenberg goes, well, they wanted me to dance.

1547
01:09:08.579 --> 01:09:10.500
He go, David, I can't dance.

1548
01:09:10.560 --> 01:09:11.819
I'm a really bad dancer.

1549
01:09:11.880 --> 01:09:13.560
He goes, just do something alien.

1550
01:09:13.619 --> 01:09:19.920
And so he's there going, ah, and then everyone apparently fell

1551
01:09:19.920 --> 01:09:21.840
about on the set because he was so terrible.

1552
01:09:21.899 --> 01:09:25.619
And then you watch in the episode, everyone starts doing it at one

1553
01:09:25.619 --> 01:09:25.979
point.

1554
01:09:28.079 --> 01:09:29.880
Oh, dear.

1555
01:09:29.880 --> 01:09:32.520
I can't stop looking at him.

1556
01:09:32.579 --> 01:09:33.060
He is so hot.

1557
01:09:33.119 --> 01:09:33.600
Look at him.

1558
01:09:33.659 --> 01:09:34.800
This is exactly gorgeous.

1559
01:09:34.859 --> 01:09:36.060
I'm so glad this one came up.

1560
01:09:36.119 --> 01:09:37.439
This is what I wanted.

1561
01:09:37.500 --> 01:09:39.359
I wanted to hang with with the crew.

1562
01:09:39.420 --> 01:09:41.939
Yeah, well, that's what I was thinking actually at the time.

1563
01:09:42.000 --> 01:09:43.920
Oh, he's got an official website, just a sec.

1564
01:09:43.979 --> 01:09:45.720
Yeah, that's what I thought.

1565
01:09:45.720 --> 01:09:47.880
I was going to say like hang time with the crew.

1566
01:09:47.939 --> 01:09:49.319
That's absolutely what this is.

1567
01:09:50.159 --> 01:09:55.380
I don't imagine that there's much space shit going on. whatsoever.

1568
01:09:55.439 --> 01:09:56.760
Just the wedding.

1569
01:09:58.020 --> 01:10:00.420
Oh, he's very religious.

1570
01:10:00.479 --> 01:10:01.380
That's kind of sweet.

1571
01:10:01.500 --> 01:10:02.220
Oh, look.

1572
01:10:02.399 --> 01:10:05.760
Oh, he's look at that, bless.

1573
01:10:05.819 --> 01:10:06.539
Oh, yeah.

1574
01:10:06.600 --> 01:10:09.779
I'm sorry, I've just seen the...

1575
01:10:09.840 --> 01:10:10.920
Oh, it's a YouTube video.

1576
01:10:10.979 --> 01:10:12.060
What if?

1577
01:10:12.119 --> 01:10:14.279
Oh, look, he's...

1578
01:10:14.579 --> 01:10:18.840
He sells batons that you can do the fire dance with.

1579
01:10:18.899 --> 01:10:19.920
Does he?

1580
01:10:19.979 --> 01:10:21.239
He's got merch.

1581
01:10:21.300 --> 01:10:23.039
Yeah, no, I'm looking at his website.

1582
01:10:23.100 --> 01:10:24.479
Of course she does.

1583
01:10:24.539 --> 01:10:25.859
Yeah.

1584
01:10:25.920 --> 01:10:30.840
Should we buy one I actually think the wedding ceremony is pretty

1585
01:10:30.840 --> 01:10:31.739
good as well.

1586
01:10:31.800 --> 01:10:34.920
Like it's a proper Klingon story, you know?

1587
01:10:34.979 --> 01:10:38.279
Does Cisco perform the ceremony?

1588
01:10:38.340 --> 01:10:40.979
No, Sirella, the mother-in-law.

1589
01:10:41.100 --> 01:10:42.119
Oh okay.

1590
01:10:42.180 --> 01:10:42.720
Okay.

1591
01:10:42.779 --> 01:10:44.579
So, of course, they make up in the air.

1592
01:10:44.699 --> 01:10:47.399
Oh, and there's a beautiful scene between Dax and Cisco as well.

1593
01:10:47.520 --> 01:10:51.899
He basically says, you need to get over yourself, you know, and go

1594
01:10:51.899 --> 01:10:52.859
and do what you've got to do.

1595
01:10:54.060 --> 01:10:55.979
Oh wonderful.

1596
01:10:56.039 --> 01:10:58.079
Okay, yeah, I shall watch that over the weekend.

1597
01:10:58.140 --> 01:10:59.579
Yeah, that'll be fun.

1598
01:10:59.640 --> 01:11:00.659
That'll be nice.

1599
01:11:00.720 --> 01:11:01.439
Excellent.

1600
01:11:01.500 --> 01:11:05.640
I'll try and find I may just have a picture of Lieutenant Manuel

1601
01:11:05.640 --> 01:11:06.180
Air.

1602
01:11:06.239 --> 01:11:08.399
That's the picture.

1603
01:11:08.460 --> 01:11:13.020
No, the trouble is that memory Alpha's picture for it is just a

1604
01:11:13.020 --> 01:11:19.680
shot. of um, the 2 of them getting married where Worf just looks

1605
01:11:19.680 --> 01:11:21.060
so handsome.

1606
01:11:21.119 --> 01:11:24.840
He's wearing the most beautiful, like the ring, you know, the

1607
01:11:24.840 --> 01:11:29.340
circlet around his hair. just that beautiful outfit.

1608
01:11:29.399 --> 01:11:31.680
Like that's such a great picture and I always want our picture to

1609
01:11:31.680 --> 01:11:34.140
be different from the memory alpha picture, but that's such a

1610
01:11:34.140 --> 01:11:36.060
perfect image, isn't it?

1611
01:11:37.859 --> 01:11:41.880
I can see the picture of court watching the ceremony.

1612
01:11:41.939 --> 01:11:45.479
It's so funny because everyone else is like, oh, God, it's so

1613
01:11:45.479 --> 01:11:46.020
poetic.

1614
01:11:46.020 --> 01:11:48.960
And he's there rolling his eyes going, God's sakes.

1615
01:11:50.579 --> 01:11:52.619
Oh, that'll be fun.

1616
01:11:52.680 --> 01:11:53.520
That'd be good.

1617
01:11:53.579 --> 01:11:55.560
Oh, and Alexander's in that one as well.

1618
01:11:55.619 --> 01:11:56.819
You know, new Alexander.

1619
01:11:56.880 --> 01:11:58.560
Oh, okay.

1620
01:11:58.619 --> 01:12:00.840
Does he come back or is there another other Alexander?

1621
01:12:00.960 --> 01:12:06.479
It's the same one who was in in the 6th part, you know, the

1622
01:12:06.479 --> 01:12:09.180
occupation arc that came before us.

1623
01:12:09.539 --> 01:12:11.100
I mean, this is immediately after that.

1624
01:12:11.340 --> 01:12:15.840
Because it opens with it opens with Cisco going, you know, the

1625
01:12:15.840 --> 01:12:19.739
war's still there, but God, what an exciting time to be alive or

1626
01:12:19.739 --> 01:12:20.279
something like that.

1627
01:12:20.340 --> 01:12:24.659
I can't remember the exact. you know, we, because Kira says, you

1628
01:12:24.659 --> 01:12:27.119
know, something like, you don't know how much I've missed you

1629
01:12:27.119 --> 01:12:28.319
saying that or something like that.

1630
01:12:28.380 --> 01:12:30.180
Good morning, Kira.

1631
01:12:30.239 --> 01:12:31.680
Do you know how much I missed you, sir?

1632
01:12:31.739 --> 01:12:32.579
Say good morning to me.

1633
01:12:32.640 --> 01:12:35.640
Do you know how much I hated saying good morning to Dakatsa?

1634
01:12:37.979 --> 01:12:40.500
Oh, that'd be fun. awesome.

1635
01:12:40.560 --> 01:12:44.159
And it's actually just coming in at the end of a big giant 6

1636
01:12:44.159 --> 01:12:46.800
parter, so that's exactly where I want to be.

1637
01:12:46.859 --> 01:12:47.939
Do you know what I mean?

1638
01:12:48.000 --> 01:12:49.979
We've got the big epic thing out of the way.

1639
01:12:50.039 --> 01:12:51.779
Now it's time to reward ourselves.

1640
01:12:51.840 --> 01:12:54.899
Judzia and Wharf separated.

1641
01:12:54.960 --> 01:12:55.920
They are, aren't they?

1642
01:12:55.979 --> 01:13:01.140
Because they talk about getting married before, don't they?

1643
01:13:01.260 --> 01:13:04.680
They, like, they, they could off getting married because of the

1644
01:13:04.680 --> 01:13:05.340
war.

1645
01:13:05.399 --> 01:13:07.199
They get engaged in call to arms.

1646
01:13:07.260 --> 01:13:10.260
She goes, if that doesn't give you a reason to survive.

1647
01:13:10.319 --> 01:13:11.460
I don't know what will.

1648
01:13:11.460 --> 01:13:13.619
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1649
01:13:13.680 --> 01:13:14.100
I love it.

1650
01:13:14.220 --> 01:13:17.399
Well, what I really liked as well about this point was obviously

1651
01:13:17.399 --> 01:13:22.140
you had that amazing 6 episode arc, really exciting climax with

1652
01:13:22.140 --> 01:13:23.220
Sacrifice of Angels.

1653
01:13:23.279 --> 01:13:26.880
Then they followed it up with this proper sitcom episode.

1654
01:13:26.939 --> 01:13:30.479
But then they went into like a mix of, you know, yeah, far beyond

1655
01:13:30.479 --> 01:13:34.439
the stars, waltz. magnificent Ferengi.

1656
01:13:34.500 --> 01:13:36.359
Oh, it was a great run this.

1657
01:13:36.960 --> 01:13:38.399
Cool.

1658
01:13:38.399 --> 01:13:40.020
What a time to be alive.

1659
01:13:41.460 --> 01:13:44.699
Unless we both hated on this watch, in which case.

1660
01:13:44.760 --> 01:13:45.060
Wow.

1661
01:13:45.119 --> 01:13:46.199
Yeah, what if that happens?

1662
01:13:46.319 --> 01:13:46.979
No.

1663
01:13:46.979 --> 01:13:52.800
It's like I said about that dreary one with the profits in it and

1664
01:13:52.800 --> 01:13:53.399
Zek.

1665
01:13:53.460 --> 01:13:56.460
If I'm hanging out with the GSN crew, I'm all right.

1666
01:13:56.520 --> 01:13:59.760
I'm okay I didn't think that was terrible anyway, everyone hates

1667
01:13:59.760 --> 01:14:00.119
that one.

1668
01:14:00.180 --> 01:14:01.260
Frankie Love songs, right?

1669
01:14:01.319 --> 01:14:02.939
No, profit motive.

1670
01:14:03.000 --> 01:14:04.439
No, oh, profit motive.

1671
01:14:04.500 --> 01:14:05.340
Yeah, I thought that was okay.

1672
01:14:05.399 --> 01:14:06.000
Yeah.

1673
01:14:06.119 --> 01:14:07.500
Right.

1674
01:14:07.560 --> 01:14:08.279
Oh, shit, no.

1675
01:14:08.340 --> 01:14:10.199
I've got literally 15 minutes to get ready.

1676
01:14:10.319 --> 01:14:12.720
Oh, okay, send me the thing.

1677
01:14:12.779 --> 01:14:14.159
Oh yeah, I'll do it now quickly.