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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So, we're back aboard Voyager.

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It's series one, episode 16.

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What would have been the season finale?

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in the sort of shortened 1st season that we get a Voyager, and

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it's called Learning Curve, and I think it's something like Battle

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of the B plots this week.

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There are only B blots in it this week.

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After watching, you know, the climactic action-packed finale of

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discovery series 2 last week.

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I feel as if things are even more ambitious and exciting this week

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as Tuvok takes this ragtag bunch of marquee terrorists and whips

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them into shape.

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I mean, I was absolutely riveted, weren't you?

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Well, yes, and then there's the B plot where the gel packs that

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are part of Voyages computer system are infected by cheese.

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This is an infamous B plot, all right.

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Everybody still remembers the famous line, get that cheese to Sick

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Bay.

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Which is pretty great, admittedly, that is a pretty great line.

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But I think, you know, both of them are from the kind of Voyager

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Bible, you know, there are 2 things that are distinctly Voyager

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which is the gel packs, which is a sort of rather boring thing, but

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there we are, and they do get mentioned in the Tuvix episode of

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Lower Decks, obviously.

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And then the Marquis as well, which is part of Voyager setup.

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And so you can see why they're doing it.

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But there's nothing really very interesting here at all, there's

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no sort of, like they're both really basic.

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Unambitious, you know?

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Yeah, yeah.

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There's no risk in any of this, is there?

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No.

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No, and it's not about anything.

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And like the way that that initial plot gets resolved is so

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perfunctory and so shitty, like embarrassingly bad.

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So I'm just not sure what this episode is for.

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And if you've only got an order of 16 episodes for this 1st season

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you wonder why not just the last one, but even one of them is this

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episode, because there's so little to it.

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Do you know what the last episode that was carried over to series

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2 was that could have potentially been the other finale of Voyager

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series one?

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It wasn't the 37s.

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Possibly that could have been the season finale if it was in, but

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the sort of the 4th episode into, the 2nd series is Twisted.

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So, you know, when it's a battle between learning curve and

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twisted, well, it's the letter of 2 evils, isn't it?

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Yeah.

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I mean, there's nothing sort of like offensive here and there's

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nothing that's done particularly badly, but it's just really kind

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of boring, I think.

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It should be a point though, where these writers are so excited

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about the possibilities of what you could do with Voyager.

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You know, series one, a brand new crew.

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We're in a new region of space where you can go anywhere and do

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anything and face whatever knows dangers on in the alpha

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quadrant.

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And what are we doing?

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We're running around the bloody ship for 20 minutes and performing

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medical experiments on cheese.

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It's very it's very old.

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Yeah.

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There's a, there's a thing about early Voyager that I quite like

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where the, the stories aren't super urgent and there is a lot of

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time for just discovering what life on board the ship is like.

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And I guess that's, you know, attempting to do that job, but it

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doesn't make for anything sort of very entertaining, I think.

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Well, I think there's a massive problem in the, I know you call

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them both bees, but in what is technically the A plot here, which

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is Tuvok and the Cadets, is that Tuvok comes across as an

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unimpressive prick in this. and a bully.

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And all of the cadets are really annoying.

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They're not funny.

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They're not enjoyable to spend time with.

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So you've got an A-plot where you just don't want to be around any

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of these people.

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And as well, like Tuvok is old and he has children and he has

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decades of experience as a teacher at Starfleet Academy and he

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just learns the valuable lesson about like not leaving one of your

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students to die.

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Probably.

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Do you know what I mean?

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Like, it just doesn't seem to be a very kind of, like it's not the

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sort of lesson that he should be learning at this stage.

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And that's really all there is to that plot because we do actually

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see one of these people, again later, Chell, the Bolian, will turn

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up again in repression in season seven.

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Nothing between now and then.

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Nothing between now and then.

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What did they do in series 7?

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Seven years later.

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Go, oh, do you remember that guy that was in learning curve?

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Well, because repression does have some kind of, it's a McKee

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thing, the high concept thing, but there's McKee stuff in it.

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I can't really remember it, but I did look it up.

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And so because those people never come back because they're not

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going to be semi-regular characters.

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That plot doesn't matter.

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The only thing that matters is what Tuvok learns and what he

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learns is really tried and not very interesting and something he

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should probably know anyway.

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And so that plot goes nowhere.

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And then the other plot is just lousy with kind of technobabble

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and stuff and really just climaxes in order to give the other B

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plot a climax.

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But I just can't get excited as well about gel packs or technology

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in any way, shape, or form, unless it's just visually amazing

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technology. like we had last week on Star Trek Discovery.

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But when people are just going around with pouches of jail going

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oh, dear.

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I mean, all of the systems rely on this gel.

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Oh, God almighty.

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Do you remember them making a big deal about it?

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Like, I get to mention in caretaker.

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And it's one of the things that kind of they were, you know, little

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publicity videos or something about, you know, this exciting new

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ship, where instead of small perspects strips in slots, they had

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gel.

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And it's just like, who cares?

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Like, why, why would anyone care about that?

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And remember that when discovery goes to the 32nd century and

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there's new technology.

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It is, as you said, visually interesting.

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You know, it changes the way the stories are told.

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It makes a difference to how the show looks, whereas the gel packs

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who gives a shit, honestly?

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I use gel on my hair, you know.

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Imagine a lovely glow I would have if I use bio neurogel or

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whatever it is.

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With cheese.

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Obviously, you know, we do have to watch this thing.

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I rather feel like we're putting it off now. because it's so

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dull.

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But the really irritating thing about the A-plot for me was the

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fact that Tuvok goes, what is it?

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You know, I have tried and tested methods at the academy, you know

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what?

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So you bullied, you know, year upon year, people into the

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Starfleet way.

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I mean, it's like recruiting the Nazi youth the way he behaves.

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You may have no sense of individuality.

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You are not allowed an opinion.

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You may not, you know, show any kinds of um, autonomy in your

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thinking, you do things by the book, you do what I say you do, and

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you know, you do your, well, they call those scenarios that they

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do, you know, those test scenarios.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Absolutely to the rule book.

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Oh my god.

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I mean, I wouldn't want to be a member of Starfleet.

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I would feel as if all of Joe Forbes would vanish in 2 vots

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horrendous bullying.

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And it wasn't the way that Starfleet Academy was portrayed in the

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game as well, where it was like a university where people clowned

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around a little bit, where they spent time learning humanity

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subjects.

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It wasn't, you know, like it seemed like a fun and interesting

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place to be.

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And so he's just here as a sort of crusty television soldier or

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something.

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And that's not what the characters like, even in the rest of

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series one.

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So it's a bad misreading of what he's like.

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It's a bit thankless for Tim Ruff as well.

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That's so stupid.

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Connie just see that these are people that chose to be terrorists

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right?

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That have been flung away from their friends and family and then

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forced to work for the federation. right?

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So they're about on 3 levels.

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They're struggling, okay?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So he considers the best approach to bring in these people around

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to this way of thinking.

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It's just to be really horrible to them It's just weird.

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Yeah, it's huge.

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My approach would be a kinder approach, you know, and just say

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right.

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Should we talk this through?

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you know, like, okay, tell me what your issues are.

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And we know that Tuvok is kind of a kind and wise man in other

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episodes.

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No, the evidence here.

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Yeah, not here.

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All right.

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I think we should do it.

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We are just delaying the inevitable.

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We may, you know, very quickly slip between the pages of a Gothic

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romance for a few scenes beforehand. just to lighten our load.

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All right.

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I will count us in.

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Do you have to?

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All right.

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Five, four, three, two, one, and we're off.

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Ah, we appear to be in England.

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I actually quite like this set, although the more I look at it, the

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more fibreglass it is.

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It's a bit like Leonardo Studio in Scorpions.

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Do you remember?

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They do the scale really well and the furniture's beautiful, but

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it's all a bit pristine.

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Yeah, that's it.

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I mean, you know, we talk about how the BBC does this sort of

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period stuff so well and the stuff that we used to, like in Doctor

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Who, there are never windows and the light is, you know, always

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flat, studio lighting and stuff.

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So in a way, it's better than that, but it does seem too

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pristine.

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That's it.

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The audition piece for Naomi Wildman with these 2 little kitty

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winks.

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Beatrice and Henry.

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So Henry is, of course, one of the horrific moppets in Star Trek

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Generations, in Picard's fantasy.

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You had a proper reaction to that, didn't you?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Here, I actually think he's actually pretty good.

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Just what I punch his face though, because he looks quite

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annoying.

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He is intended to be that.

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Do you know what I mean?

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He is intending intended to be that.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And I think he does a really good job of it.

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He actually does appear in an episode of Star Trek Picard series 3

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called 17 seconds.

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He's obviously a grown man then, and he's actually captured by

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Raffi and Worf and kind of roughed up and tortured.

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Right.

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It is a really good scene.

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And it's he's the person that gives us the 1st inkling that the

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changelings are involved.

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Rafi thinks he's, you know, coming down.

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He's detoxing from some kind of drug.

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He's having withdrawal.

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That's the word.

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He turns into this big puddler sick on the floor, doesn't he?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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It's very much sort of raw chicken is how the exchange things look

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in their natural form.

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A confusing moment between me and you, but I'll leave that

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ambiguous for now.

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Oh, listen to this.

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Talking to the girl going, oh, never mind the sciences, young

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girl.

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What about needlework?

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An artist.

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Yeah, I don't know why she wants to do that.

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You're supposed to be, you know, pioneering science for women.

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Janeway.

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So one of the things that's really funny here too, is that Lord

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Burleigh speaks in Latin, and he says something which is meant to

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mean, let's not rush into anything.

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But it's not really that.

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His pronunciation is shockingly bad.

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Do you remember laws?

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Do you remember when we meet him?

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Eventually, we'll do an episode where we see him and Lord Burley

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is the exactly the right name for him.

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Oh, really?

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Oh, Catherine.

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I shouldn't have these feelings for you as the governor. is really

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terrible.

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But one of the things is, so the words for let's not rush into

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anything is in Ulam Remne Properemus, and that hilariously is the

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title of the two-part season 8 opener of There's a Voyager season

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8 set of audio dramas.

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So they've taken Lord Burleigh's live.

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From here, like it's an amateur fan audio dramas, which do get

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mentioned in memory alpha, but it just struck me as hilarious that

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they used Lord Burleigh's line as the bikini. your research.

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You impress me no end, you know.

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The amount of times you watched rebel episodes.

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Well, I did get to watch a whole scene from series 3 of Picard.

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So it wasn't always...

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That's the foetid corners of memory alpha.

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Put a torch into.

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Oh, boy.

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Oh, no, can I just say one last thing, because that's the last

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time I think we see the romance hollow novel in this episode, this

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episode.

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It is a baffling inclusion, really.

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Is that the last thing I would ever want to do for recreation if I

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was the leader of a starship would be to go to the holodeck and be

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the governess to a pair of annoying twinks.

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Yeah, horrible.

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Come on, Jamie.

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I mean, more respect for Fairhaven now, when she personalises that

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male dildo, frankly.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah.

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Well, I mean, one of the things that I like about the way the

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holiday gets used in Voyager is that everyone's sort of trapped

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and they live here all the time and there's no sort of hope of

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going home and there's talk about like developing their own

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culture and stuff like that. hear them talk about that.

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And so the holodeck allows us to see them engaging in media

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essentially like watching television.

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And I like that.

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We're watching them doing the same thing as we're doing.

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And, you know, so it's not always holiday goes wrong.

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It's sometimes just there's a card.

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It can be like, you know, the James Bond program in DS9, which is

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fabulous.

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Or, um, Better being Better Bang.

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It's the same thing.

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Not even better.

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The baseball game in I'm choosing all the DS9 ones now because

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basically the Lord Burleigh's manor, the hideous beach resort, the

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indoor, sort of interior beach resort from series 3, Fairhaven.

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I mean, Voyager's choices are just, the only one that really works

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for me is chaotica.

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You know, the black and white.

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Yeah, I mean, we get saundrines here.

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And I think both saundrines and the and the beach resort give us a

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much needed break from Voyages kind of...

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Terrible, no.

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The beach resort looks terrible.

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Shots go outside and film those scenes. you know, go to a beach.

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You did it in future's end.

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But remember that they, they don't do a terrible job at lighting

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that any more than they do in the, you know, Rebecca Holland novel

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that we just saw Janeway Inn.

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Like, the lighting's reasonable, and it does make a change from

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the Voyager sads.

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It does.

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It does.

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That scene there before the pre-titles, right?

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The fella realised that the gel pack was malfunctioning.

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I went, you know what?

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I'm going to go and fix that.

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That would be a good, nice thing for me to do.

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And Duvox there going, well, you didn't fill out all the forms.

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You know, fuck you, all right?

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I'm trying to help us out here.

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So Janeway's hollow novel didn't work for 2 seconds.

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Well, it's not, you know, it's worse malfunctioning from

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happening.

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Lord Burley disappeared or little Henry Burley disappeared.

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It's your favourite Jane Way here.

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The severe bum.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I like it a little bit more when it, no, when it's long guy, you

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know, like when it, uh...

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Yeah.

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I mean, look, it looks pretty great.

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She's doing Catherine Hepburn more here than she does elsewhere, I

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think.

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I mean, the best thing about her hair in series one and 2 is that

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every time, you know, the ship's under attack, it can sort of fall

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out in disarray and we realise just how bad things are.

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That's exactly right.

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It's like a barometer.

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So here's Tuvok now saying, well, you know, I'm getting a lot of

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complaints about these marquee members, you know, they're not

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joining the crew like they should.

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They're not behaving like in the way they are.

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And even the way this is directed as well with him with, you know

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in profile just makes him seem more rigid.

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Do you not what I mean?

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And and stuff.

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It makes Chakotay seem more thoughtful because he's looking at him

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and you're responding and reacting.

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Well, you can see some thought processes on Robert Belcher's face

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of going, yeah, you know, I see what you're saying.

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So he steps in here and says, yeah, but they didn't sign up for

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this, Tuvolt, remember, like you did.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yes.

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And I think it is, it is the, he's a Vulcan and he can't properly

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understand people who don't obey rules and stuff like that.

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And that's just super tedious.

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I think it's spoken strange new worlds.

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Yeah, he's not rigid like this, is he?

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He is thoughtful.

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He can see both sides.

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So it's Tuvok, though, in other episodes.

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Like earlier in the season, this shows you the sort of the lack of

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internal consistency with the characters.

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He's the one in prime factors.

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There's still also technology.

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Yes, exactly.

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I don't want you to do something legal.

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So I did it for you because you are my friend. you know, and

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Starfleet dictates that you can't do it.

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So naturally somebody else had to.

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Well, that's not this person.

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No, because in fact, the discovery that he can go back and save

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Geren's life rather than leaving him to die. and that's breaking

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Starfleet protocol and that's like a big revelation.

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That's the big moment at the end of the episode and the thing that

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it kind of centres around and that's so boring.

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I mean, that's super boring.

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I don't want to be this tedious person that sets the same thing in

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every episode, right?

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But there was an opportunity here, if they given these cadets

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these, sorry, these marquee crew members a bit more of an

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interesting personality to have them run the 7 years to be

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background characters that come to the 4 every now and again with

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little arcs of their own and things happening within the series.

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No, they just don't do it at all, do they?

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Every time they bring in characters like this, we forget about

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them next week.

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The only time they did it and it stuck was collective when it was

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like horrible kids.

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But I mean, even if they were like background characters like Oo

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or Detmer or Bryce or Reese from Discovery last week where we

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don't really get to know them, but there are presents of familiar

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presence on the ship.

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But Voyager doesn't have any of that, really.

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Oh my god.

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Which is odd because DSI was absolutely doing that at this time

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absolutely.

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So it's not like they couldn't have done it. chose not to.

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Well, I think too, that, you know, they wanted to go back.

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It's simpler to not have a suite of semi-regular characters as far

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as, you know, contracts and all of that sort of thing and writing

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and stuff.

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So.

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So should we go through these 4 people one by one and explain why

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none of them work.

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So 1st of all, the Bolion.

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They're jolly fat Bolian.

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So he's Shell.

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And he's very unfit because and that's his personality.

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And then we have pretty little Guerin, who 5 years earlier had

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been the main kid in the never-ending story, the next chapter.

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Oh, my God, I thought you were going to say the original then.

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That's one of my favourite films.

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Not the original.

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Not the original.

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He takes over from the other kid.

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The terrible sequel.

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Okay. playing the same character.

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But he's obviously, you know, the cute...

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He's from Basil.

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We know all about the occupation.

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He's obviously quiet and troubled because he has history.

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And is Tuvok kind to him?

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Does Stuvok take any of this into consideration?

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He does risk his life to save him at the end, but so he should.

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Then you've got this lady here whose name I've forgotten, but she

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looks like you're absolutely...

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She looks like your stereotypical mum of every middle class

447
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American family, you know, in every sitcom.

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That's kind of what she looks like.

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But she plays the role of, oh, I don't want to do this. you know

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that's basically how she spends the episode.

451
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Yeah, whinging and complaining.

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Yeah, so none of them are fun. of them are interesting.

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We don't discover anything fun or interesting about any of them.

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And there is one just grotesquely ill-judged, horrible backstory

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that we get in song dreams in that scene at the end, which I just

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loathe.

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I can't wait to hear that.

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I've got one moment.

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I truly dislike as well, which is coming up quite soon, actually.

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Shell running around the cargo bay.

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I mean, I mean, that's just horrible in itself.

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All right, pick on the fat one.

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Make it wrap around.

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Yeah, yeah.

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That's right.

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Nobody else is doing it.

467
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Yeah, they're all disobeying orders right now. properly

468
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insubordinate.

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He would he kept talking.

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They're marquee terrorists.

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There's gonna be an element of insubordination.

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I would factor that in before starting.

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But, I mean, this whole thing is so boring, the hot.

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Maybe the McKee thing was just a bad idea because they drop it.

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I mean, they don't go through with it, you know, and it is

476
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interesting at the kind of beginning, but this is not an

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interesting way of dealing with it, I think.

478
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Interestingly, we're all using the word interesting now, because

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nothing is interesting on the stream.

480
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But interestingly, the most interesting thing is Chakotay, because

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I love this scene now where he comes in and goes, oh, you want to

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do things the marquee way, fine.

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And then he just lamps him round the face and says, yeah, and

484
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there's plenty more of that if you want it.

485
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Now get back to the car burger and do as you're told.

486
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Well, I think there was a little bit of that in, was it State of

487
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Flux?

488
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What's the 1st one?

489
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Like the, the one where Cesca comes and talks about, you know

490
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stealing replicator rations or something and Chakotay has to

491
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report her.

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I mean, they're used to thinking on their wits and improvising and

493
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doing things that they shouldn't do to get, you know, to get

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ahead.

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It does make Chakotay a little sexy for a 2nd though.

496
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Yeah, yeah, it's great.

497
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It's probably good.

498
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This Chakotay go, Nathan.

499
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Yeah, yeah.

500
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Well, they stopped doing it.

501
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They just, you know, like, it's such a shame because he is, I mean

502
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he's still the medium Robert at all times.

503
00:23:42.420 --> 00:23:44.400
He's still not Robert Picardo.

504
00:23:44.460 --> 00:23:45.359
But he's got an age.

505
00:23:45.359 --> 00:23:46.019
He's so much.

506
00:23:46.140 --> 00:23:47.940
Yeah, he's so much better than he ends up being.

507
00:23:48.180 --> 00:23:51.839
I'm never quite sure sometimes in the scenes which way he's going

508
00:23:51.839 --> 00:23:52.619
to jump, you know?

509
00:23:52.680 --> 00:23:55.740
And that's quite exciting because most of the time it's always you

510
00:23:55.799 --> 00:23:58.500
you know exactly which way people are going to jump. was so good.

511
00:23:58.559 --> 00:23:59.579
He's left-handed too.

512
00:23:59.640 --> 00:24:02.819
What's very funny is at the end of the scene, right?

513
00:24:02.880 --> 00:24:06.299
They all go back to the chair and he's nursing his face for ages

514
00:24:06.299 --> 00:24:07.319
going, oh, wow.

515
00:24:07.500 --> 00:24:09.480
That really hurt.

516
00:24:09.539 --> 00:24:14.279
Yeah, no, that was good. really good. in the mess hole right now.

517
00:24:14.339 --> 00:24:16.019
Is there any sign of the cheese yet?

518
00:24:16.079 --> 00:24:17.940
No, no, okay.

519
00:24:18.539 --> 00:24:20.579
Just the slapping him on the cheek is so good.

520
00:24:20.640 --> 00:24:21.839
Yeah, yeah.

521
00:24:21.900 --> 00:24:22.799
Yeah, that's great.

522
00:24:22.859 --> 00:24:24.240
I think that is roughly great.

523
00:24:24.299 --> 00:24:25.619
That's a great thing.

524
00:24:25.680 --> 00:24:28.440
So I think a couple of the regulars get, because there's a good

525
00:24:28.440 --> 00:24:31.799
scene with the doctor later when he's got the cheese in Sick Bay

526
00:24:31.859 --> 00:24:33.180
very funny.

527
00:24:33.240 --> 00:24:35.940
It's just...

528
00:24:35.940 --> 00:24:41.579
And one us off looking fucking... so manly. wonderful.

529
00:24:41.700 --> 00:24:42.960
Just to me.

530
00:24:43.019 --> 00:24:45.119
Yeah, that I think that's the best scene.

531
00:24:45.240 --> 00:24:46.619
Like, easily.

532
00:24:46.619 --> 00:24:47.400
That is really great.

533
00:24:47.460 --> 00:24:51.059
But now, now this is the scene I hate. where they're in the cargo

534
00:24:51.059 --> 00:24:51.660
bay, right?

535
00:24:51.720 --> 00:24:57.599
And then she goes past them one at a time and takes away every

536
00:24:57.599 --> 00:25:00.480
single piece of individuality that they have.

537
00:25:00.599 --> 00:25:04.740
It fucking irritates me because in Kurtzman Trek, you'd be allowed

538
00:25:04.740 --> 00:25:06.660
to have an earring, you'd be allowed to have a headband.

539
00:25:06.720 --> 00:25:09.900
You would be allowed to have some aesthetic individuality.

540
00:25:09.960 --> 00:25:13.019
You certainly would be able to express your religion.

541
00:25:13.079 --> 00:25:16.079
And he literally strips them away.

542
00:25:16.079 --> 00:25:19.680
He really wears an earring in Star Trek, the Next Generation

543
00:25:19.680 --> 00:25:20.339
series fine.

544
00:25:20.400 --> 00:25:22.380
Maybe that medallion's a bit much.

545
00:25:22.440 --> 00:25:24.299
Yeah, it's been 70s, isn't it?

546
00:25:24.359 --> 00:25:25.500
But you couldn't see it, right?

547
00:25:25.559 --> 00:25:26.759
So who gives a shit?

548
00:25:26.819 --> 00:25:28.440
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

549
00:25:28.559 --> 00:25:34.079
It just really, it really makes me think of the Nazi youth, right?

550
00:25:34.140 --> 00:25:36.599
Stripping them all away and making them all the same.

551
00:25:36.660 --> 00:25:42.720
I mean, but it's TV, you know, he's a TV sergeant major or

552
00:25:42.720 --> 00:25:43.079
something.

553
00:25:43.140 --> 00:25:45.779
Like the earring thing, that was settled.

554
00:25:45.839 --> 00:25:50.519
Roe wore her earring on board Enterprise on board the Enterprise

555
00:25:50.519 --> 00:25:53.339
for the years that she was in the show.

556
00:25:53.400 --> 00:25:55.799
Why are we losing it now, you know?

557
00:25:55.859 --> 00:26:00.059
Um, It's just crazy.

558
00:26:00.119 --> 00:26:01.859
It's just crazy.

559
00:26:01.920 --> 00:26:07.500
And do you know, like, I'm explaining now how I would deal with

560
00:26:07.500 --> 00:26:08.099
this situation.

561
00:26:08.460 --> 00:26:11.160
I would ask about the earring.

562
00:26:11.220 --> 00:26:13.019
I would say, that's a nice headband.

563
00:26:13.079 --> 00:26:16.440
I would make them feel comfortable before asking them to, you know

564
00:26:16.440 --> 00:26:18.180
obey the rules and regulation.

565
00:26:18.240 --> 00:26:20.400
Like, you would say, look, this is uniform thing.

566
00:26:20.460 --> 00:26:22.019
There's a reason we do a uniform thing.

567
00:26:22.079 --> 00:26:24.359
He doesn't have to explain himself, but this is a different

568
00:26:24.359 --> 00:26:26.039
situation, you know.

569
00:26:26.099 --> 00:26:28.859
See, this scene offer was very badly read.

570
00:26:28.920 --> 00:26:30.240
It's in engineering, right?

571
00:26:30.299 --> 00:26:33.900
And B'Elana basically says to what's the fellow's name?

572
00:26:33.960 --> 00:26:37.319
Um, I'm going to.

573
00:26:37.440 --> 00:26:39.660
A man who Jakoti Dolby.

574
00:26:39.720 --> 00:26:43.259
B'lana says to Dolby, oh, you're afraid that you're not going to

575
00:26:43.259 --> 00:26:44.579
make it through 2 box training.

576
00:26:44.640 --> 00:26:46.380
And then it's all techno babble.

577
00:26:46.440 --> 00:26:48.420
That's it. we gleam from this scene.

578
00:26:48.480 --> 00:26:53.160
Well, because now we're getting the beginning of the other B plot

579
00:26:53.160 --> 00:26:56.700
which is the failing gel packs.

580
00:26:56.759 --> 00:27:00.720
But that, again, it's just picking at his insecurities rather than

581
00:27:00.720 --> 00:27:03.660
actually being a friend and saying, why don't you give it a go, you

582
00:27:03.660 --> 00:27:04.380
know, like.

583
00:27:04.559 --> 00:27:06.240
And what has she experienced?

584
00:27:06.299 --> 00:27:08.220
What's her experience being?

585
00:27:08.339 --> 00:27:11.460
It took her about adapting episodes to.

586
00:27:11.519 --> 00:27:18.180
Yeah, to get into line and to be sort of rewarded with that chief

587
00:27:18.180 --> 00:27:18.960
engineer role.

588
00:27:18.960 --> 00:27:22.380
But we're not interested in any of that.

589
00:27:22.500 --> 00:27:26.700
Like, we're not interested in anything about, you know, this is

590
00:27:26.700 --> 00:27:28.500
paper thin.

591
00:27:28.559 --> 00:27:31.440
There's no character stuff really at all.

592
00:27:31.740 --> 00:27:35.700
There's no sense that anyone else on board the ship has had

593
00:27:35.700 --> 00:27:41.579
difficulties adjusting and why, you know, we get, we do get that

594
00:27:41.579 --> 00:27:42.480
backstreet.

595
00:27:42.539 --> 00:27:43.259
I really love.

596
00:27:43.319 --> 00:27:46.680
Now, this is a great scene because he's got the shell pad and

597
00:27:46.680 --> 00:27:47.819
what's this thing called?

598
00:27:47.880 --> 00:27:51.299
The medical scanner is they put the gel pack into the scanner and

599
00:27:51.299 --> 00:27:54.000
he's like, you know, I've been told that my should improve my

600
00:27:54.000 --> 00:27:54.720
bedside manner.

601
00:27:54.839 --> 00:27:55.980
How are you doing there today?

602
00:27:57.240 --> 00:27:59.339
It's so stupid.

603
00:27:59.460 --> 00:28:03.839
It's not a great joke, but Picardo can turn it into a good line.

604
00:28:03.960 --> 00:28:05.819
Don't worry, my little friend.

605
00:28:06.660 --> 00:28:09.420
But didn't Belana say knock it off?

606
00:28:09.480 --> 00:28:10.980
Why did you put up the lanas?

607
00:28:11.039 --> 00:28:12.240
Stop being fun.

608
00:28:12.299 --> 00:28:13.859
We're not a fun show, remember?

609
00:28:16.920 --> 00:28:18.000
Oh, dear.

610
00:28:18.059 --> 00:28:21.720
Okay, so there's an infection in the gel pat. contagion.

611
00:28:21.779 --> 00:28:23.279
What could it possibly?

612
00:28:23.339 --> 00:28:26.640
But again, it doesn't have any interesting effects.

613
00:28:26.700 --> 00:28:32.099
Like we've seen over and over again, the ship systems fail in all

614
00:28:32.099 --> 00:28:32.940
sorts of ways.

615
00:28:33.000 --> 00:28:34.859
And there was one just a few weeks ago.

616
00:28:34.920 --> 00:28:42.779
Do you remember when the uh, when Janeway's coffee appeared before

617
00:28:42.779 --> 00:28:46.200
the cup did in the replicator because things were failing.

618
00:28:46.259 --> 00:28:46.859
Oh, yeah.

619
00:28:46.859 --> 00:28:50.880
And we've had it on Star Trek, the Next Generation, where loud

620
00:28:50.880 --> 00:28:54.539
music starts playing in Picard's quarters or on the bridge or, you

621
00:28:54.539 --> 00:28:57.180
know, like fun things, but this is not fun.

622
00:28:57.299 --> 00:28:58.920
Like there's nothing really fun.

623
00:28:58.980 --> 00:29:02.759
Here, making them run up and down the Jeffreys tubes and all

624
00:29:02.759 --> 00:29:03.720
around the ship, right?

625
00:29:03.779 --> 00:29:07.440
This is no way of turning people into line.

626
00:29:07.500 --> 00:29:10.380
Exhausting them and then saying, right, we're going to do this

627
00:29:10.380 --> 00:29:13.200
every single day for a week. and if your time doesn't get any

628
00:29:13.200 --> 00:29:15.059
better, We'll do it for another week.

629
00:29:15.119 --> 00:29:16.680
What are you doing?

630
00:29:16.799 --> 00:29:19.319
You're torturing them now.

631
00:29:19.380 --> 00:29:26.700
But what he says is, you will get better at this, and as you do

632
00:29:26.700 --> 00:29:30.599
you'll start to feel better about yourselves and your ability to

633
00:29:30.599 --> 00:29:33.000
achieve stuff, do you know what I mean?

634
00:29:33.059 --> 00:29:35.579
Like, he, that's what he says he's doing.

635
00:29:35.640 --> 00:29:37.019
And that's not terrible.

636
00:29:37.079 --> 00:29:38.039
Do you know what I mean?

637
00:29:38.339 --> 00:29:39.839
It makes me say it with a smile, though.

638
00:29:39.900 --> 00:29:42.000
Why doesn't he say it to them now?

639
00:29:42.059 --> 00:29:45.839
You know, like why, you know, he says it later.

640
00:29:45.900 --> 00:29:47.940
This is why we're doing this, okay?

641
00:29:48.000 --> 00:29:49.619
Here's why we're doing this.

642
00:29:49.680 --> 00:29:52.319
You know, these are adults.

643
00:29:52.319 --> 00:29:54.480
And it...

644
00:29:54.480 --> 00:29:56.579
I'm starting to wonder, you know, you know, all these sort of

645
00:29:56.579 --> 00:29:59.339
damaged captains and admirals that we made.

646
00:29:59.339 --> 00:30:00.119
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

647
00:30:00.119 --> 00:30:03.240
To all of night is trek. too far of them.

648
00:30:03.420 --> 00:30:12.420
Put them for his Nazi regime, and they've all... runs around the

649
00:30:12.420 --> 00:30:15.720
Starbase like 5 times a day, you know, oh, I'll get better.

650
00:30:16.259 --> 00:30:22.019
Oh, but this is like, so now you've got the sort of jolly da-da-da

651
00:30:20.220 --> 00:30:22.019
da-da-da-da-da.

652
00:30:22.019 --> 00:30:27.960
Voyager music. as they go up and down ladders and run through the

653
00:30:27.960 --> 00:30:30.779
mess hole and it just goes on forever.

654
00:30:30.839 --> 00:30:32.940
And I was like, oh, this can't be the whole episode, please.

655
00:30:33.000 --> 00:30:37.500
And they all run really slowly because I actually quite like

656
00:30:37.500 --> 00:30:37.740
this.

657
00:30:37.799 --> 00:30:39.599
The 5 is funny.

658
00:30:39.599 --> 00:30:40.619
It needs a glass of water.

659
00:30:40.680 --> 00:30:41.759
That could have been funny.

660
00:30:41.819 --> 00:30:44.819
And then, look, Tuvok just takes the glass off him and doesn't

661
00:30:44.819 --> 00:30:46.680
like, you know, it puts it down.

662
00:30:46.740 --> 00:30:49.559
Like he doesn't, like, that could have been funny, but it's not.

663
00:30:49.619 --> 00:30:52.680
No, remember the trouble with triples, that whole thing with the

664
00:30:52.680 --> 00:30:54.059
glass of water through the fire?

665
00:30:54.119 --> 00:30:55.140
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

666
00:30:55.140 --> 00:30:56.099
It can be funny.

667
00:30:56.160 --> 00:30:58.200
Oh, look, we're going...

668
00:30:58.200 --> 00:31:00.480
Actually, I think we're going down now.

669
00:31:00.539 --> 00:31:01.859
The same ladder we just went up.

670
00:31:01.920 --> 00:31:04.140
It's even the same camera shop.

671
00:31:04.200 --> 00:31:05.279
Yeah.

672
00:31:05.339 --> 00:31:09.900
So this is David Livingston, who I actually made fun of last

673
00:31:09.900 --> 00:31:10.740
episode.

674
00:31:10.859 --> 00:31:17.640
Um, he's just a very, I do have a sense of him as a director.

675
00:31:17.880 --> 00:31:23.400
I think you're going to say he's a very sort of meat and potatoes

676
00:31:23.400 --> 00:31:25.019
Star Trek director.

677
00:31:25.079 --> 00:31:28.380
He's also the director that gave us gridlock that gave us the

678
00:31:28.380 --> 00:31:28.799
full.

679
00:31:28.799 --> 00:31:29.640
Sorry, gridlock.

680
00:31:29.700 --> 00:31:30.180
Deadlock.

681
00:31:30.240 --> 00:31:35.759
He gave us the 1st DS9 crossover episode with brilliantly weird

682
00:31:35.759 --> 00:31:36.539
angles.

683
00:31:36.599 --> 00:31:40.980
He is the director that if the script is good, He goes the extra

684
00:31:40.980 --> 00:31:41.339
mile.

685
00:31:41.400 --> 00:31:45.119
And if the script is bad because he also gave us Fairhaven and

686
00:31:45.119 --> 00:31:45.660
spirit folk.

687
00:31:45.779 --> 00:31:47.700
He just goes, do you know what?

688
00:31:47.759 --> 00:31:49.259
Point the camera. lets just get this done.

689
00:31:49.319 --> 00:31:51.180
I've done 200 of these now.

690
00:31:51.240 --> 00:31:52.980
Let's just go home Yeah, yeah, yeah.

691
00:31:53.039 --> 00:31:53.279
Okay.

692
00:31:53.339 --> 00:31:53.700
Yeah.

693
00:31:53.759 --> 00:31:57.720
Yeah, I don't know if you noticed, you know, but we're kind of

694
00:31:57.720 --> 00:32:00.480
desperate for content in this episode, but as they were running

695
00:32:00.480 --> 00:32:04.619
around the ship, you could see Dolby's impressive package sort of

696
00:32:04.619 --> 00:32:05.460
jumping it out.

697
00:32:05.519 --> 00:32:06.779
Yeah.

698
00:32:06.839 --> 00:32:08.759
Oh, it's not running anymore.

699
00:32:08.819 --> 00:32:10.799
You get a little bit of Guerran there.

700
00:32:11.099 --> 00:32:13.259
No, Dolbys were very...

701
00:32:13.319 --> 00:32:14.339
I was just noticing it.

702
00:32:14.339 --> 00:32:18.359
Crossing down the corridor and I was like, well, they did miss

703
00:32:18.359 --> 00:32:18.539
her.

704
00:32:18.599 --> 00:32:22.319
There's got to be some joy in wearing those hideous jumpsuits that

705
00:32:22.319 --> 00:32:23.940
they've got on. awful, aren't they?

706
00:32:24.000 --> 00:32:25.079
What is this all about?

707
00:32:25.140 --> 00:32:29.099
Yes, go and clean the transporter pad with this toothbrush.

708
00:32:29.220 --> 00:32:30.960
Well, that's it.

709
00:32:31.019 --> 00:32:34.140
It's like cleaning out the replica. not the transporter pad.

710
00:32:34.200 --> 00:32:36.180
It's de-gaussing the transporter pad.

711
00:32:36.240 --> 00:32:41.880
It's like, you know, you can imagine setting someone to, to, um

712
00:32:41.880 --> 00:32:43.259
does Marin have to do it?

713
00:32:43.319 --> 00:32:47.400
Like clean out the holodeck with a toothbrush and you know what

714
00:32:47.400 --> 00:32:48.180
people do in there.

715
00:32:48.240 --> 00:32:52.799
In that fabulous episode where Kira turns into a massive crystal

716
00:32:52.799 --> 00:32:53.039
right?

717
00:32:53.099 --> 00:32:57.119
That's the same episode with the B plot where Nog tries to bribe

718
00:32:57.119 --> 00:33:00.779
Cisco into letting him into Starfleet Academy and they go, right

719
00:33:00.779 --> 00:33:04.559
Cisco goes, right, let's give him a test and see if he can do

720
00:33:04.559 --> 00:33:04.799
this.

721
00:33:04.859 --> 00:33:07.859
Now, he doesn't give him a toothbrush and say go and clean the

722
00:33:07.859 --> 00:33:08.880
transporter pad.

723
00:33:08.940 --> 00:33:12.359
He makes him do an inventory on the most expensive stuff they've

724
00:33:12.359 --> 00:33:13.799
got in the cargo bay, right?

725
00:33:13.859 --> 00:33:17.880
So it's, can he do detailed work and is he going to, he's a

726
00:33:17.880 --> 00:33:18.359
Ferengi?

727
00:33:18.420 --> 00:33:19.799
Is he going to try all the stuff?

728
00:33:19.859 --> 00:33:23.220
Yeah, and he absolutely does it and it's super fun and it pays off

729
00:33:23.220 --> 00:33:24.539
and it has character.

730
00:33:24.599 --> 00:33:27.240
What is he doing, cleaning this transport I've had with a

731
00:33:27.240 --> 00:33:27.779
toothbrush.

732
00:33:27.839 --> 00:33:29.519
And we didn't even see it.

733
00:33:29.519 --> 00:33:32.039
And it, like, why didn't they...

734
00:33:32.220 --> 00:33:33.720
This feels like punishment.

735
00:33:33.900 --> 00:33:35.700
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

736
00:33:35.759 --> 00:33:37.859
And he's humiliating them as well.

737
00:33:37.920 --> 00:33:42.900
And, and, like, Harry came the prick.

738
00:33:42.960 --> 00:33:44.579
Oh, the line.

739
00:33:44.640 --> 00:33:46.019
You missed a spot.

740
00:33:46.079 --> 00:33:47.220
Like, that's not funny.

741
00:33:47.279 --> 00:33:48.960
And it wouldn't be...

742
00:33:48.960 --> 00:33:50.279
Like, Shell got the last laugh.

743
00:33:50.339 --> 00:33:53.039
He was a captain come series 7, whereas...

744
00:33:53.039 --> 00:33:55.259
I don't think he was.

745
00:33:56.279 --> 00:33:59.579
Even Lieutenant would be better than Harry Hume.

746
00:33:59.640 --> 00:34:00.779
Yeah, that's true.

747
00:34:00.839 --> 00:34:06.900
So here we are in the holodeck doing a like a boring.

748
00:34:08.340 --> 00:34:09.780
Like it's randomly generated.

749
00:34:09.840 --> 00:34:13.079
It's kind of like, it's a bit like series one of Voyager where

750
00:34:13.079 --> 00:34:16.199
they just kind of go, you know, roll a dice.

751
00:34:16.320 --> 00:34:19.800
Oh, it's going to be a spatial anomaly.

752
00:34:19.860 --> 00:34:24.480
Oh, it's going to be cheese, you know, like it's it's kind of

753
00:34:24.480 --> 00:34:27.659
makes fun of the actual show itself.

754
00:34:27.719 --> 00:34:31.199
You know, oh, it's, let's say, it's the Romulans, oh, let's say

755
00:34:31.199 --> 00:34:32.099
it's a thing, you know.

756
00:34:32.159 --> 00:34:34.019
And so this is super boring.

757
00:34:34.019 --> 00:34:39.719
And apparently, like the McKee problem is that they want to fight

758
00:34:39.719 --> 00:34:40.860
to the deaf.

759
00:34:41.400 --> 00:34:41.880
Is that right?

760
00:34:42.059 --> 00:34:44.639
Yes, and that's why they failed.

761
00:34:44.699 --> 00:34:45.960
They retreated.

762
00:34:46.019 --> 00:34:48.780
The moral of the story is you should have backed off.

763
00:34:48.840 --> 00:34:53.880
Whereas, do you know, like the Kubayashi Maru scenario in original

764
00:34:53.880 --> 00:34:54.480
track.

765
00:34:54.539 --> 00:34:55.860
That was really great.

766
00:34:55.980 --> 00:35:00.719
And then when Troy does her training, right, and has to learn the

767
00:35:00.719 --> 00:35:03.360
lesson, you know, sometimes you have to let people die.

768
00:35:03.420 --> 00:35:04.920
That's the only way out.

769
00:35:04.980 --> 00:35:08.579
That was really interesting. sometimes you've got to learn how to

770
00:35:08.579 --> 00:35:09.000
reverse.

771
00:35:09.059 --> 00:35:10.380
How boring.

772
00:35:10.500 --> 00:35:11.820
Yeah, yeah.

773
00:35:11.880 --> 00:35:15.119
But also, like these guys seem to me to be doing quite a good job

774
00:35:15.119 --> 00:35:15.900
here.

775
00:35:15.960 --> 00:35:17.400
Like, they're not playing together.

776
00:35:17.460 --> 00:35:18.239
That's right.

777
00:35:18.300 --> 00:35:19.380
Yeah, that's right.

778
00:35:19.440 --> 00:35:22.079
You know, the everyone's doing their role.

779
00:35:22.139 --> 00:35:23.280
They seem to be selling it.

780
00:35:23.340 --> 00:35:28.199
And there's just no sense of, you know, you're a manager of

781
00:35:28.199 --> 00:35:30.000
thoughts, you know, you run people.

782
00:35:30.059 --> 00:35:32.760
You know about the shit sandwich, right?

783
00:35:32.820 --> 00:35:36.539
You deliver the criticism within. you did this well.

784
00:35:36.599 --> 00:35:38.099
You could have done that better.

785
00:35:38.159 --> 00:35:39.059
You did this well.

786
00:35:39.059 --> 00:35:40.679
And they go, you don't do that.

787
00:35:40.679 --> 00:35:43.440
It just goes, you did really shit.

788
00:35:43.500 --> 00:35:45.300
That's what he says at the end.

789
00:35:45.360 --> 00:35:48.179
You're just all terrible and we're just going to have to try it

790
00:35:48.179 --> 00:35:48.420
again.

791
00:35:48.480 --> 00:35:50.340
Yeah, yeah.

792
00:35:50.400 --> 00:35:50.820
Yeah, yeah.

793
00:35:50.880 --> 00:35:53.519
We're not allowed to do the shit sandwich anymore.

794
00:35:53.579 --> 00:35:54.719
Any script.

795
00:35:54.780 --> 00:35:55.559
What do you do now then?

796
00:35:55.679 --> 00:35:58.559
You just tell people.

797
00:35:58.619 --> 00:36:02.039
Also, the Tuvok approaches actually invoke.

798
00:36:02.099 --> 00:36:04.679
Try and be a bit less of a prick about it.

799
00:36:04.739 --> 00:36:05.940
If you can.

800
00:36:06.000 --> 00:36:06.960
Oh, did you see that?

801
00:36:07.019 --> 00:36:08.280
There's that moment.

802
00:36:08.340 --> 00:36:10.679
Yeah, where you can tell this.

803
00:36:10.679 --> 00:36:11.579
You're almost vanish.

804
00:36:11.639 --> 00:36:12.840
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

805
00:36:12.900 --> 00:36:15.780
The moment where he's sort of standing there.

806
00:36:15.840 --> 00:36:18.420
It's just like, wow, he's weirdly associated from the background.

807
00:36:18.480 --> 00:36:21.659
I wonder if there's going to be a video effect happening behind

808
00:36:21.659 --> 00:36:23.340
it.

809
00:36:23.400 --> 00:36:28.019
There are many times in 90s treks when almost as many times as you

810
00:36:28.019 --> 00:36:31.199
have a huge space on the screen and you know someone's going to

811
00:36:31.199 --> 00:36:32.699
beam in in the next minute.

812
00:36:32.940 --> 00:36:37.139
Well, I think it was our deja Q episode where you pointed that out

813
00:36:37.139 --> 00:36:41.099
to me and now I watch for it all the time and that was a...

814
00:36:41.159 --> 00:36:42.360
I know what are their reactions here.

815
00:36:42.420 --> 00:36:44.219
Oh, you know, you can't fault me.

816
00:36:44.280 --> 00:36:45.539
My evasive accents were great.

817
00:36:45.599 --> 00:36:48.179
At least we went out with our phasers firing.

818
00:36:48.239 --> 00:36:49.559
They're all pricks as well.

819
00:36:49.619 --> 00:36:51.780
I just don't like any of these people in this room.

820
00:36:51.900 --> 00:36:52.559
It's so boring.

821
00:36:52.619 --> 00:36:53.579
I mean, it's so boring.

822
00:36:53.639 --> 00:36:56.639
And if, like, if they had a way of interacting with each other

823
00:36:56.639 --> 00:37:00.599
that was less formal and less rigid and that worked really well

824
00:37:00.599 --> 00:37:05.519
and then Tuvok actually kind of learns, oh, wow, actually, do you

825
00:37:05.519 --> 00:37:06.000
know what I mean?

826
00:37:06.000 --> 00:37:09.000
It's not that they're just sort of fuckups or washouts, but

827
00:37:09.000 --> 00:37:12.599
they're actually good on their own terms, and he learned to

828
00:37:12.599 --> 00:37:15.599
respect them in some way. you know what I mean?

829
00:37:15.659 --> 00:37:18.179
And even found some way to accommodate them.

830
00:37:18.239 --> 00:37:21.900
That's a more interesting story and it's about the problem.

831
00:37:21.960 --> 00:37:25.559
It's not just about Tuvok being a prick or these guys being

832
00:37:25.559 --> 00:37:29.400
assholes because it would be a microcosm of what's going on in the

833
00:37:29.400 --> 00:37:30.360
ship as a whole.

834
00:37:30.420 --> 00:37:34.860
But, like, they're just, when they do the 2nd version of this, Good

835
00:37:34.860 --> 00:37:39.300
Shepherd, uh, and they have Janeway in the 2 vault role in the

836
00:37:39.300 --> 00:37:44.639
shuttle with these 4 wayward people, um, that is exactly what

837
00:37:44.639 --> 00:37:45.119
happens.

838
00:37:45.119 --> 00:37:48.000
And the reason that's a, it's still not a great episode, but the

839
00:37:48.000 --> 00:37:51.420
reason it's a better episode is she talks to them and gets to know

840
00:37:51.420 --> 00:37:55.320
them, tries to understand them, figures out what their strengths

841
00:37:55.320 --> 00:37:58.920
are, and then there's a really lame sort of, you know, tense

842
00:37:58.920 --> 00:38:02.159
moment where there's a bit of danger and she manages to use all

843
00:38:02.159 --> 00:38:04.139
their strengths exactly like you just said there.

844
00:38:04.199 --> 00:38:08.400
So at least we're, she's learning and we're learning something

845
00:38:08.400 --> 00:38:11.099
about, well, imagine we never see those people again after that, I

846
00:38:11.099 --> 00:38:11.880
don't think, either.

847
00:38:11.940 --> 00:38:13.320
So, you know, hey ho.

848
00:38:13.380 --> 00:38:14.579
Oh, here we go.

849
00:38:14.639 --> 00:38:17.039
It's our obligatory Tuvok and Neelix scene.

850
00:38:17.099 --> 00:38:19.500
No, I mean, I quite like those.

851
00:38:19.500 --> 00:38:23.099
This could have been awful because he does the thing I always make

852
00:38:23.099 --> 00:38:25.199
a joke about, you know, the Voyager metaphor.

853
00:38:25.260 --> 00:38:27.659
Now let me tick you over to this plant, Nathan.

854
00:38:27.780 --> 00:38:28.980
Now, look at this now.

855
00:38:29.039 --> 00:38:31.559
You add the water, the ugly tree.

856
00:38:32.579 --> 00:38:35.099
The stems don't break.

857
00:38:35.159 --> 00:38:36.539
But look at this one.

858
00:38:36.599 --> 00:38:37.500
Snap.

859
00:38:37.559 --> 00:38:42.239
What you're saying is they're rigid, rigid and unfocused missing.

860
00:38:42.300 --> 00:38:43.559
And then it's a zinger.

861
00:38:44.880 --> 00:38:47.519
No, Mr. Tuvok, it's you.

862
00:38:47.579 --> 00:38:48.480
You're an asshole.

863
00:38:48.539 --> 00:38:49.320
Yeah, that's right.

864
00:38:49.380 --> 00:38:53.340
He literally says, you are Richard unfixable, Mr. Chewbok.

865
00:38:53.400 --> 00:38:55.980
And I went, yes, finally, somebody said it.

866
00:38:56.400 --> 00:39:01.139
It's actually, I mean, it's rare for Neelix in series one, to be

867
00:39:01.139 --> 00:39:04.980
quiet, because it takes him a while to not be like super annoying

868
00:39:04.980 --> 00:39:10.019
and part of his the Kess thing, like in warlord, they're no longer

869
00:39:10.019 --> 00:39:11.820
together and that's a good thing.

870
00:39:11.880 --> 00:39:14.280
And Neelix improves measurably.

871
00:39:14.340 --> 00:39:16.619
And pairing these 2 together is genius.

872
00:39:16.739 --> 00:39:17.880
Like, I think it's really good.

873
00:39:17.940 --> 00:39:21.840
I think they're great together and they're great opposites.

874
00:39:21.900 --> 00:39:25.980
You know, I think this is probably my 2nd favourite scene.

875
00:39:26.039 --> 00:39:29.400
But part of the problem is, of course, we've been watching this.

876
00:39:29.460 --> 00:39:31.739
You know, we've seen what he's done.

877
00:39:31.800 --> 00:39:36.119
And so having him explain it to Neelix again is a little bit of a

878
00:39:36.119 --> 00:39:36.780
waste of our time.

879
00:39:36.900 --> 00:39:39.000
When he says that, he's being a prick.

880
00:39:39.059 --> 00:39:41.219
The look on Chewbox face is hilarious.

881
00:39:42.179 --> 00:39:44.460
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

882
00:39:44.460 --> 00:39:47.340
The Keila flowers, which are serving as it.

883
00:39:47.340 --> 00:39:49.199
Very important. flowers, is it?

884
00:39:49.260 --> 00:39:49.559
Okay.

885
00:39:49.619 --> 00:39:50.460
Yeah.

886
00:39:50.760 --> 00:39:53.579
I hate this, and they do it all the time.

887
00:39:53.639 --> 00:39:55.739
Usually it's chewbok using a flower, actually.

888
00:39:55.800 --> 00:39:59.280
You know, that's an awkward. hyperodizing orkids and things like

889
00:39:59.280 --> 00:39:59.400
that.

890
00:39:59.400 --> 00:40:00.300
Bringing things together.

891
00:40:00.360 --> 00:40:02.280
I think there's a metaphor in tubics as well.

892
00:40:02.340 --> 00:40:05.340
You know, about things coming together, falling apart.

893
00:40:05.940 --> 00:40:09.119
It's so bad, isn't it?

894
00:40:09.179 --> 00:40:10.380
Yes, yeah.

895
00:40:10.440 --> 00:40:11.940
You're right.

896
00:40:12.000 --> 00:40:17.460
I always make unfair comparisons between Chevoc and Elix and Odo

897
00:40:17.460 --> 00:40:18.119
and Quark.

898
00:40:18.179 --> 00:40:22.199
But only because they just put in the effort with Odo and Quark to

899
00:40:22.199 --> 00:40:25.380
develop it, to figure out what the actor's strengths are together

900
00:40:25.380 --> 00:40:28.320
and then to give them time. not the same energy, is it?

901
00:40:28.380 --> 00:40:31.559
Now, go and watch the one with Odour and Quark going up the

902
00:40:31.559 --> 00:40:36.059
mountain and then go and watch Rise. and tell me which series was

903
00:40:36.059 --> 00:40:36.599
getting better.

904
00:40:36.659 --> 00:40:40.320
And again, rise is sort of like, why is he suddenly being a prick

905
00:40:40.320 --> 00:40:41.940
to Neelix all along?

906
00:40:42.059 --> 00:40:43.500
So this...

907
00:40:43.500 --> 00:40:45.239
I am not a big fan of cream cheese.

908
00:40:45.239 --> 00:40:48.840
The that cream cheese looks particularly unappetising.

909
00:40:48.900 --> 00:40:51.360
Because it's really green, isn't it?

910
00:40:51.420 --> 00:40:54.179
Like the colours are sort of blown out in the copy that I'm

911
00:40:54.179 --> 00:40:57.000
watching, but it seems a sort of fluorescent green.

912
00:40:57.059 --> 00:41:00.900
It's been asked to make macaroni and cheese, doesn't he?

913
00:41:00.960 --> 00:41:02.280
by one lieutenant.

914
00:41:02.340 --> 00:41:06.059
It didn't look like macaroni and cheese in the pan, mind.

915
00:41:06.119 --> 00:41:06.840
No, no.

916
00:41:06.900 --> 00:41:11.940
So he's made cheese for the macaroni and cheese and now, so that's

917
00:41:11.940 --> 00:41:17.280
that's the thing they're infected with cheese. unbelievably

918
00:41:17.280 --> 00:41:19.199
tedious, isn't it?

919
00:41:19.260 --> 00:41:23.400
And as well, it's like the pan, the pan is over a vent.

920
00:41:23.460 --> 00:41:26.699
So the cheese fumes have gone up into the vent.

921
00:41:26.699 --> 00:41:28.199
That's it with the bacteria.

922
00:41:28.380 --> 00:41:29.460
With the gel packs.

923
00:41:29.519 --> 00:41:33.539
I mean, who was was anyone giving these scripts the once over?

924
00:41:33.599 --> 00:41:37.139
I mean, I do think, yeah, the Cheese of Sick Bay is a brilliant

925
00:41:37.139 --> 00:41:41.880
line. like a properly fun line and super memorable. and isn't it?

926
00:41:41.940 --> 00:41:46.320
I do actually like this shot as well, where the cheese is in a

927
00:41:46.320 --> 00:41:49.920
sort of big space containment field in between the 2 of them, which

928
00:41:49.920 --> 00:41:50.519
is pretty great.

929
00:41:50.579 --> 00:41:54.539
I mean, that macaroni and cheese looks vile, doesn't it?

930
00:41:54.659 --> 00:41:56.400
bubbling away there.

931
00:41:56.460 --> 00:41:59.099
Oh, that's really in putting.

932
00:41:59.159 --> 00:41:59.400
Yeah.

933
00:42:00.960 --> 00:42:04.380
Everything they say about Nix's cooking is true.

934
00:42:07.440 --> 00:42:08.340
Oh, dear.

935
00:42:08.340 --> 00:42:11.400
I mean, imagine if a cheese brought down Voyager.

936
00:42:11.460 --> 00:42:12.840
That was, you know, the last episode.

937
00:42:12.900 --> 00:42:17.579
Yeah, well, yeah, yeah, the finale, what will the cheese do now?

938
00:42:17.639 --> 00:42:20.880
The last line was getting the Jesus sick, mate.

939
00:42:21.719 --> 00:42:23.400
There it is.

940
00:42:23.460 --> 00:42:24.059
There it is.

941
00:42:24.119 --> 00:42:25.440
Oh, Belana.

942
00:42:25.440 --> 00:42:29.159
Poor Neelix.

943
00:42:29.219 --> 00:42:31.559
Oh, he's adorable, isn't he, Ethan Phillips?

944
00:42:31.619 --> 00:42:33.840
So this scene here, right?

945
00:42:33.900 --> 00:42:39.239
And the thing that I hate about this scene is, so we've got this

946
00:42:39.239 --> 00:42:45.480
sort of, you know, um, uh, we're going to discover that Dolby is

947
00:42:45.480 --> 00:42:51.719
traumatised by what happened to his girlfriend at the hand of the

948
00:42:51.719 --> 00:42:59.400
Cardassians and that that's why he's being a prig and the show

949
00:42:59.400 --> 00:43:04.619
which is a kids show or like a family adventure program, you know

950
00:43:04.619 --> 00:43:10.079
that's syndicated on a network, says that 3 Cardassians raped her

951
00:43:10.079 --> 00:43:12.360
and then bashed her skull.

952
00:43:12.420 --> 00:43:18.119
And like we talked a little bit in Voyager, in Discovery, which is

953
00:43:18.119 --> 00:43:22.019
a more adult program, you know, that's on streaming that's pitched

954
00:43:22.019 --> 00:43:25.199
for adults, that has swearing and violence in it, and how ill

955
00:43:25.199 --> 00:43:31.619
judged the backstory about Michael's real parents was, where

956
00:43:31.619 --> 00:43:35.099
they're killed and or raped by Klingons.

957
00:43:35.159 --> 00:43:41.460
And what strikes me about it is that it's raping women that is

958
00:43:41.460 --> 00:43:45.780
just being used as a sort of decorative, you know, script

959
00:43:45.780 --> 00:43:46.679
element.

960
00:43:46.739 --> 00:43:49.139
And you wouldn't say that about raping men.

961
00:43:49.199 --> 00:43:50.039
Do you know what I mean?

962
00:43:50.099 --> 00:43:53.159
If you turned in a script, you know, and it had been Henley and

963
00:43:53.159 --> 00:43:57.239
she said her boyfriend had been raped by Cardassians and killed

964
00:43:57.239 --> 00:43:58.619
that wouldn't have made it to air.

965
00:43:58.679 --> 00:44:00.000
That would never have happened.

966
00:44:00.059 --> 00:44:03.000
And it's not because, you know, homosexuality or anything like

967
00:44:03.000 --> 00:44:03.239
that.

968
00:44:03.300 --> 00:44:08.400
It's simply because it's okay to kind of include women getting

969
00:44:08.400 --> 00:44:13.920
raped in your story, in your stupid trivial story about these

970
00:44:13.920 --> 00:44:15.119
people, you know?

971
00:44:15.179 --> 00:44:17.460
I mean, it's worth remembering, of course.

972
00:44:17.519 --> 00:44:20.219
I mean, they may be looking at the Roddenberry Bible, because that

973
00:44:20.219 --> 00:44:21.960
was Tachier's backstory, wasn't it?

974
00:44:23.219 --> 00:44:25.079
And it was all women again.

975
00:44:25.139 --> 00:44:26.219
There was no mention of it.

976
00:44:26.340 --> 00:44:28.139
Well, it was blokes doing it, wasn't it?

977
00:44:28.199 --> 00:44:30.300
Because the one time we get a flashback of that.

978
00:44:30.360 --> 00:44:32.699
I can't believe we saw it.

979
00:44:32.760 --> 00:44:34.559
I mean, for God's sake, so terrible.

980
00:44:34.619 --> 00:44:38.039
But like at least, and I don't think it's good with Tashi R.

981
00:44:38.099 --> 00:44:39.360
I think it's a terrible backstory.

982
00:44:39.420 --> 00:44:42.360
At least she's a regular character and is trying to inform us.

983
00:44:42.420 --> 00:44:45.900
This is somebody we'll never see again. about 3 scenes after

984
00:44:45.900 --> 00:44:46.260
this.

985
00:44:46.320 --> 00:44:48.239
Yeah, yeah.

986
00:44:48.300 --> 00:44:50.760
And like, I don't know.

987
00:44:50.820 --> 00:44:54.300
And why the hell didn't he do this to start off with?

988
00:44:54.360 --> 00:44:56.099
Let's go and choose some Paul.

989
00:44:56.159 --> 00:44:56.940
Tell me about yourself.

990
00:44:57.360 --> 00:44:58.920
Oh, okay.

991
00:44:58.980 --> 00:45:00.780
This is why you're behaving like this.

992
00:45:00.840 --> 00:45:01.380
Fine.

993
00:45:01.440 --> 00:45:04.739
Let's now figure out a program that we can all work through

994
00:45:04.739 --> 00:45:05.280
together.

995
00:45:05.340 --> 00:45:08.760
It's the thing where he's saying, I thought that if we achieve

996
00:45:08.760 --> 00:45:12.599
things, if I set up situations where you learn that improves and

997
00:45:12.599 --> 00:45:14.940
achieve things that you would start to feel better about

998
00:45:14.940 --> 00:45:15.300
yourself.

999
00:45:15.360 --> 00:45:18.179
And he says this was meant to be a positive experience for

1000
00:45:18.179 --> 00:45:18.840
everyone.

1001
00:45:18.900 --> 00:45:24.059
You know, like, that's good, but why is he too stupid to do that

1002
00:45:24.059 --> 00:45:24.420
early on?

1003
00:45:24.480 --> 00:45:27.300
The consequences of that would be good, yeah.

1004
00:45:27.360 --> 00:45:33.059
But as I tell you a 1000000 times over, these micromanagers, that

1005
00:45:33.059 --> 00:45:37.380
focus on everything people aren't doing and just make you feel so

1006
00:45:37.380 --> 00:45:39.539
terrible about everything that you're doing.

1007
00:45:39.599 --> 00:45:41.280
You don't grow in those situations.

1008
00:45:41.340 --> 00:45:42.239
You don't try harder.

1009
00:45:42.300 --> 00:45:44.039
You just feel shit about yourself.

1010
00:45:44.099 --> 00:45:44.639
Yeah.

1011
00:45:44.639 --> 00:45:47.760
I mean, Starfleet's a military organisation and so they're using

1012
00:45:47.760 --> 00:45:51.840
the sort of 20th century military or the 21st century military is

1013
00:45:51.840 --> 00:45:55.139
a kind of model or at least how they're portrayed on television.

1014
00:45:55.199 --> 00:45:57.480
Wesley Crusher being treated like this.

1015
00:45:57.539 --> 00:45:59.159
Yeah, no, of course he didn't.

1016
00:45:59.219 --> 00:46:02.219
That's right No wonder he came back in the game so relaxed, you

1017
00:46:02.219 --> 00:46:02.460
know?

1018
00:46:02.519 --> 00:46:05.820
Yeah, yeah, yeah. wavy hair looking gorgeous.

1019
00:46:05.940 --> 00:46:07.500
He's having a great time.

1020
00:46:07.559 --> 00:46:09.300
He's doing his art and his philosophy.

1021
00:46:09.360 --> 00:46:13.380
Yeah, learning Latin, you know, Oh, poor kiss.

1022
00:46:13.440 --> 00:46:15.840
She gets a couple of lines of tetababoyness, and that's it.

1023
00:46:15.900 --> 00:46:17.340
She's like the host year of this episode.

1024
00:46:17.460 --> 00:46:21.119
Yeah, she does get more stuff to do normally, doesn't she?

1025
00:46:21.179 --> 00:46:24.300
But and pairing her up with the doctor is actually quite a good

1026
00:46:24.300 --> 00:46:28.079
thing because pairing her up with Neelix was so awful and kind of

1027
00:46:28.079 --> 00:46:28.500
toxic.

1028
00:46:29.460 --> 00:46:33.539
It's sweet, but then you realise when 7 comes in, it could have

1029
00:46:33.539 --> 00:46:37.800
been sweeter because pair it up 7 and the doctor is... is really

1030
00:46:37.800 --> 00:46:38.099
great.

1031
00:46:38.159 --> 00:46:38.820
Yeah.

1032
00:46:38.880 --> 00:46:39.420
Yeah, yeah.

1033
00:46:39.480 --> 00:46:42.119
Well, I think because they're both outsiders in the same sort of

1034
00:46:42.119 --> 00:46:43.260
way. you know.

1035
00:46:43.320 --> 00:46:46.440
I mean, I'd like to pretend that they grew out of episodes like

1036
00:46:46.440 --> 00:46:47.460
this going forward.

1037
00:46:47.519 --> 00:46:53.099
But, you know, there is about 5 or 6 learning curves every year.

1038
00:46:53.159 --> 00:46:57.059
I don't mean the same plot, but, you know, this flat and

1039
00:46:57.059 --> 00:46:58.320
uninteresting.

1040
00:46:58.380 --> 00:46:58.920
Yeah.

1041
00:46:58.920 --> 00:46:59.579
Yeah.

1042
00:46:59.639 --> 00:47:01.559
I mean, like, it's not terrible.

1043
00:47:01.619 --> 00:47:03.119
It's not offensive in any way.

1044
00:47:03.179 --> 00:47:04.440
You know, there's nothing about it.

1045
00:47:04.500 --> 00:47:09.119
Like, it's not totally... offensive in some ways, but yes, no.

1046
00:47:09.179 --> 00:47:11.340
The material isn't offensive.

1047
00:47:11.400 --> 00:47:12.599
No, that's right.

1048
00:47:13.079 --> 00:47:17.880
It just never raises its head above the parapet to be engaging at

1049
00:47:17.880 --> 00:47:18.480
any point.

1050
00:47:18.539 --> 00:47:19.440
No.

1051
00:47:19.500 --> 00:47:23.340
But I think that we should count our blessings because the worst

1052
00:47:23.340 --> 00:47:25.679
Robert really only gets a couple of lines as well.

1053
00:47:25.739 --> 00:47:27.960
Ah, that is a good trade-off.

1054
00:47:28.019 --> 00:47:29.699
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1055
00:47:29.760 --> 00:47:31.860
Imagine if he was in charge of the training.

1056
00:47:31.920 --> 00:47:33.360
Oh my god, it's strange.

1057
00:47:33.420 --> 00:47:36.059
Pizza and booze parties and we'll all be watching Carter.

1058
00:47:36.119 --> 00:47:37.019
Actually, that could be quite fun.

1059
00:47:37.440 --> 00:47:40.139
Oh my god, this is cute.

1060
00:47:40.199 --> 00:47:44.400
This situation of peril now is so boring, isn't it?

1061
00:47:44.940 --> 00:47:47.519
The lights are flashing a little bit.

1062
00:47:47.579 --> 00:47:48.539
That's about it.

1063
00:47:48.599 --> 00:47:52.019
Now compare this to the peril we was in last week on Discovery, you

1064
00:47:52.019 --> 00:47:52.380
know?

1065
00:47:52.440 --> 00:47:53.159
Jesus Christ.

1066
00:47:53.219 --> 00:47:59.639
Even compare it to the very similar peril in disaster with or the

1067
00:47:59.639 --> 00:48:00.599
haunting of deck 12.

1068
00:48:00.900 --> 00:48:02.820
Do you remember all the smoke everywhere?

1069
00:48:02.880 --> 00:48:03.719
Fabulous.

1070
00:48:03.780 --> 00:48:04.500
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1071
00:48:04.559 --> 00:48:07.739
But I mean, like it's directly the same scene, isn't it?

1072
00:48:07.800 --> 00:48:12.840
They're in a cargo bay, a Beverly and Geordia in a cargo bay

1073
00:48:12.840 --> 00:48:15.179
that's about to fill with toxic gas.

1074
00:48:15.420 --> 00:48:16.559
Do you know what I mean?

1075
00:48:16.619 --> 00:48:19.920
And like, that's all torque and and technobabble and stuff like

1076
00:48:19.920 --> 00:48:20.099
that.

1077
00:48:20.159 --> 00:48:22.500
It's all for sea people we actually like though.

1078
00:48:22.559 --> 00:48:25.139
But it's 2 people we really like and it's really fun seeing them

1079
00:48:25.139 --> 00:48:25.500
react.

1080
00:48:25.500 --> 00:48:28.800
Two people knew like, one I like, one I tolerate.

1081
00:48:28.860 --> 00:48:31.860
Oh, it's barely, you've got to love Beverly.

1082
00:48:31.920 --> 00:48:32.400
She's great.

1083
00:48:32.460 --> 00:48:35.099
No, in fact, we know there's petrol white too dramatic because

1084
00:48:35.099 --> 00:48:36.360
Janeway's hair is still perfect.

1085
00:48:36.420 --> 00:48:37.380
It's still fine.

1086
00:48:37.440 --> 00:48:41.340
It will suffer a little bit from the final solution.

1087
00:48:41.460 --> 00:48:44.940
And the solution, I think, is sort of clever, I guess.

1088
00:48:45.000 --> 00:48:47.579
So they decide to give it a fever by heating it.

1089
00:48:49.019 --> 00:48:51.059
Yeah, clever.

1090
00:48:51.119 --> 00:48:51.840
Again.

1091
00:48:51.900 --> 00:48:52.860
Well, I don't know.

1092
00:48:52.920 --> 00:48:56.880
Like, it's a fever, you know, that's, like, I like that the doctor

1093
00:48:56.880 --> 00:48:57.960
solves the problem.

1094
00:48:58.019 --> 00:49:00.179
Like, they have to heat it, like, that's something.

1095
00:49:00.239 --> 00:49:04.500
It can't do what we do when we get an infection, so we'll do that

1096
00:49:04.500 --> 00:49:06.659
you know, that seems logical.

1097
00:49:06.719 --> 00:49:11.940
Very often, the solutions in 90s trick episodes are a bit mundane

1098
00:49:11.940 --> 00:49:12.360
aren't they?

1099
00:49:12.480 --> 00:49:14.639
Or it's all just techno babble.

1100
00:49:14.699 --> 00:49:15.360
Do you know what I mean?

1101
00:49:15.420 --> 00:49:18.239
Like they're just saying sort of made up words at each other until

1102
00:49:18.239 --> 00:49:19.380
the problem goes away.

1103
00:49:19.440 --> 00:49:22.440
Here at least it's couched in terms that makes sense to the

1104
00:49:22.440 --> 00:49:22.800
audience.

1105
00:49:22.860 --> 00:49:26.760
Maybe I can see now what Brandon Braga was going for in threshold

1106
00:49:26.760 --> 00:49:28.380
when he turned him into those lizards.

1107
00:49:28.440 --> 00:49:30.840
Well, this is a bit different, you know, from the usual tent of

1108
00:49:30.840 --> 00:49:31.260
babble.

1109
00:49:31.320 --> 00:49:32.460
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1110
00:49:32.519 --> 00:49:36.059
I mean, that's actively unpleasant to watch in all sorts of ways.

1111
00:49:36.119 --> 00:49:38.880
But like the most predictable thing this episode could have done

1112
00:49:38.880 --> 00:49:39.059
right?

1113
00:49:39.119 --> 00:49:42.719
is present these people as useless, then put them in a situation

1114
00:49:42.719 --> 00:49:46.619
of extreme peril at the end where they find a way out of it and

1115
00:49:46.619 --> 00:49:49.019
Tuvok goes, my God, you're all amazing.

1116
00:49:49.139 --> 00:49:51.059
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1117
00:49:51.119 --> 00:49:52.860
Exactly what we get.

1118
00:49:52.920 --> 00:49:53.699
Yeah.

1119
00:49:53.760 --> 00:49:56.820
It feels like an episode of Saved by the Bell, you know?

1120
00:49:56.940 --> 00:50:01.199
But and they don't do it in a particularly McKee way either.

1121
00:50:01.260 --> 00:50:02.219
Do you know what I mean?

1122
00:50:02.280 --> 00:50:06.239
Like they don't, or a Starfleet way. like the way that they do it

1123
00:50:06.300 --> 00:50:07.739
tells us nothing about them.

1124
00:50:07.800 --> 00:50:09.179
Yeah?

1125
00:50:09.719 --> 00:50:14.699
Asthma key or are they behaving like this because Duvok's been

1126
00:50:14.699 --> 00:50:15.300
teaching them.

1127
00:50:15.360 --> 00:50:19.199
You know, like none of the lines are drawn, it's just, it's just

1128
00:50:19.199 --> 00:50:21.480
it's so perfunctory.

1129
00:50:21.539 --> 00:50:24.119
Like it's all about just having scenes of them running through the

1130
00:50:24.119 --> 00:50:25.980
ship and it's not about anything.

1131
00:50:26.039 --> 00:50:27.719
I'll give you a parallel.

1132
00:50:27.780 --> 00:50:31.320
Do you remember when Kira was sent to the Cardassian rebellion

1133
00:50:31.320 --> 00:50:34.679
against the Dominion and they sent her because she was a terrorist

1134
00:50:34.679 --> 00:50:38.219
because she would have, you know, methods to help them.

1135
00:50:38.280 --> 00:50:39.179
And she does.

1136
00:50:39.239 --> 00:50:41.340
She says to the Kardashians, you know, you got to kill your own

1137
00:50:41.340 --> 00:50:41.579
people.

1138
00:50:41.639 --> 00:50:43.679
She goes, unfortunately, they made the choice, you know.

1139
00:50:43.739 --> 00:50:47.940
And it's all about Kira teaching them, you know, sometimes you've

1140
00:50:47.940 --> 00:50:50.579
got to make tough choices if you're a terrorist.

1141
00:50:50.639 --> 00:50:54.360
Whereas, you know, there's no real tough choices here in, what are

1142
00:50:54.360 --> 00:50:54.659
they doing?

1143
00:50:55.440 --> 00:50:59.699
Yeah, so there's some explosions in the cameras juttering, thanks

1144
00:50:59.699 --> 00:51:00.360
to David.

1145
00:51:00.420 --> 00:51:03.719
My God, the plasma will be toxic within minutes.

1146
00:51:03.840 --> 00:51:05.760
Within minutes.

1147
00:51:05.760 --> 00:51:08.880
We can't leave him.

1148
00:51:08.940 --> 00:51:10.139
We've only got minutes.

1149
00:51:10.199 --> 00:51:14.219
I'm not risking losing any more of you to save one man.

1150
00:51:14.280 --> 00:51:15.719
Oh, please.

1151
00:51:15.780 --> 00:51:19.260
Just come out of the book. cliche book of dialogue.

1152
00:51:19.320 --> 00:51:20.460
It's so bad.

1153
00:51:20.579 --> 00:51:23.820
And I don't give a Circassian fig.

1154
00:51:23.880 --> 00:51:27.420
Fuck off No, it's when he goes, what is it?

1155
00:51:27.480 --> 00:51:30.480
Does this come out of your tactical book that you leave people

1156
00:51:30.480 --> 00:51:31.260
behind?

1157
00:51:31.320 --> 00:51:32.099
Oh, dear.

1158
00:51:32.159 --> 00:51:35.639
I do like Mr. Dolby, I will break your arm if you don't follow the

1159
00:51:35.639 --> 00:51:35.940
order.

1160
00:51:36.000 --> 00:51:36.480
It's pretty good.

1161
00:51:38.219 --> 00:51:39.539
Yeah.

1162
00:51:39.539 --> 00:51:41.159
We're Chewbox Bishop. was great.

1163
00:51:41.219 --> 00:51:46.440
But again, you know, like he doesn't give, he doesn't say, I'll

1164
00:51:46.440 --> 00:51:47.340
get him, you go.

1165
00:51:47.400 --> 00:51:48.659
Do you know what I mean?

1166
00:51:48.719 --> 00:51:51.719
He doesn't reassure them or anything like that because it has to

1167
00:51:51.719 --> 00:51:52.679
be this big surprise.

1168
00:51:52.739 --> 00:51:56.219
The hair is...

1169
00:51:56.280 --> 00:51:57.719
Oh, she's sweating, isn't she?

1170
00:51:57.780 --> 00:51:59.579
Yeah, well, everyone's sweating.

1171
00:51:59.699 --> 00:52:03.960
There's one shot of um, the doctor looking very sort of chill and

1172
00:52:03.960 --> 00:52:09.119
um, and Kes looking askance at him, just absolutely dripping with

1173
00:52:09.119 --> 00:52:09.719
swear.

1174
00:52:09.780 --> 00:52:13.199
And that jumpsuit does nothing for Tim Russ's arse, does it?

1175
00:52:13.260 --> 00:52:14.519
Did you see her going, oh, that ladder?

1176
00:52:14.579 --> 00:52:16.199
I don't know.

1177
00:52:16.199 --> 00:52:17.699
Come on now, look.

1178
00:52:17.820 --> 00:52:20.820
He looks like he's in a baby grow up, for God's sake.

1179
00:52:20.880 --> 00:52:22.380
Yeah, it does.

1180
00:52:22.440 --> 00:52:23.760
It looks bad, doesn't it?

1181
00:52:23.820 --> 00:52:24.420
It's terrible.

1182
00:52:24.480 --> 00:52:25.800
Yeah, really terrible.

1183
00:52:25.860 --> 00:52:28.800
Again, I'm going to make a similarity now.

1184
00:52:28.920 --> 00:52:32.940
There is a scene in Rejoined where the engineering is full of

1185
00:52:32.940 --> 00:52:37.320
smoke and Jazir has to decide whether to go and save Lenara Khan

1186
00:52:37.320 --> 00:52:40.920
or leave her to die, but it's her ex-lover and it fucking means

1187
00:52:40.920 --> 00:52:41.280
something.

1188
00:52:41.340 --> 00:52:43.739
It means something if she leaves her to die.

1189
00:52:43.800 --> 00:52:44.880
What the hell does this?

1190
00:52:44.940 --> 00:52:45.780
We don't care about these people.

1191
00:52:45.840 --> 00:52:48.360
But he doesn't even manage to rescue them.

1192
00:52:48.420 --> 00:52:50.699
I don't know Like, why doesn't he mention?

1193
00:52:50.760 --> 00:52:51.960
Robert's terrible.

1194
00:52:52.019 --> 00:52:54.360
I've got fever. forehead.

1195
00:52:54.420 --> 00:52:56.219
Yeah, okay, yeah.

1196
00:52:56.579 --> 00:52:59.940
Poor Harry doesn't get a child story. right in the back of the

1197
00:52:59.940 --> 00:53:01.380
shop there. in the background.

1198
00:53:01.440 --> 00:53:02.699
I know look at this.

1199
00:53:02.760 --> 00:53:03.780
And look at her.

1200
00:53:04.679 --> 00:53:08.400
But it's like, it was a war, wasn't they?

1201
00:53:08.460 --> 00:53:09.300
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1202
00:53:09.360 --> 00:53:11.519
But he's all cheaper and kind of, I think, we're doing really

1203
00:53:11.519 --> 00:53:11.820
well.

1204
00:53:11.880 --> 00:53:14.639
And then we look over at her and she just is looking aghast at

1205
00:53:14.639 --> 00:53:15.059
him.

1206
00:53:15.119 --> 00:53:16.800
Can I say right?

1207
00:53:16.860 --> 00:53:18.960
When Harry's hair falls over his face like that.

1208
00:53:19.019 --> 00:53:20.699
Yeah, yeah, so hot.

1209
00:53:21.360 --> 00:53:21.900
Poppy hair.

1210
00:53:21.960 --> 00:53:23.340
That should be his look I think.

1211
00:53:23.400 --> 00:53:24.719
I think so too.

1212
00:53:24.780 --> 00:53:28.920
Well, I think that's working for Karen in among these 4 guys, isn't

1213
00:53:28.920 --> 00:53:29.099
it?

1214
00:53:29.159 --> 00:53:31.980
Like Garon's like a pretty kid with floppy hair.

1215
00:53:32.039 --> 00:53:36.179
So Chewvoc has now proved himself because he's gone in and saved

1216
00:53:36.179 --> 00:53:36.900
Garin.

1217
00:53:36.960 --> 00:53:40.199
So now everybody loves him and they're going to work really hard

1218
00:53:40.199 --> 00:53:41.519
to be part of the crew.

1219
00:53:41.579 --> 00:53:45.300
Or we'll never see them again except for Chell, who is the one

1220
00:53:45.300 --> 00:53:48.239
we're least interested in in 6 seasons time.

1221
00:53:48.300 --> 00:53:49.739
Does he die in episode?

1222
00:53:49.800 --> 00:53:50.699
I don't know.

1223
00:53:50.760 --> 00:53:53.340
It's like bringing over... is a murder mystery.

1224
00:53:53.460 --> 00:53:55.679
Oh, do you not remember the twist in that one?

1225
00:53:55.739 --> 00:53:59.639
No, Tufok is investigating himself. himself.

1226
00:53:59.699 --> 00:54:01.619
He's the one doing this.

1227
00:54:02.940 --> 00:54:05.280
That's how bad the episodes get by Sirius 7.

1228
00:54:07.679 --> 00:54:09.840
Oh, fucking Al.

1229
00:54:09.960 --> 00:54:11.639
There are some twilies.

1230
00:54:11.699 --> 00:54:11.880
Yeah.

1231
00:54:11.940 --> 00:54:13.920
It's desirable.

1232
00:54:13.920 --> 00:54:17.579
If you can bend the rules, then maybe we can obey them.

1233
00:54:17.639 --> 00:54:20.760
And it's just like, oh, good, this problem's all solved neatly

1234
00:54:20.760 --> 00:54:22.980
within the space of 42 minutes.

1235
00:54:23.039 --> 00:54:24.599
Thank you.

1236
00:54:24.659 --> 00:54:25.320
Kill me.

1237
00:54:26.760 --> 00:54:28.500
Oh my god.

1238
00:54:28.500 --> 00:54:31.860
Oh my god, you could rarely see Chewhawk's junk.

1239
00:54:31.920 --> 00:54:32.400
Did you see that?

1240
00:54:32.460 --> 00:54:33.059
I just saw it.

1241
00:54:33.119 --> 00:54:33.659
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1242
00:54:33.719 --> 00:54:34.320
Yeah, I did.

1243
00:54:34.380 --> 00:54:35.039
Oh, yeah.

1244
00:54:35.039 --> 00:54:37.500
God take what we can from this.

1245
00:54:39.659 --> 00:54:41.760
They can't figure out.

1246
00:54:41.820 --> 00:54:42.780
No, they's had the last scene.

1247
00:54:42.780 --> 00:54:44.099
I thought it was another scene.

1248
00:54:44.159 --> 00:54:45.000
Oh, boy.

1249
00:54:45.059 --> 00:54:46.920
Well, there we go.

1250
00:54:46.980 --> 00:54:48.900
I think we've all learned a valuable lesson there.

1251
00:54:49.019 --> 00:54:53.699
I think we have, but I would have liked a cheese related final

1252
00:54:53.699 --> 00:54:55.800
scene. you know what I mean?

1253
00:54:55.860 --> 00:54:58.019
Just to wrap the cheese plot up.

1254
00:54:58.079 --> 00:55:03.840
Maybe everyone is in the mess hall, eating macaroni, cheese.

1255
00:55:03.900 --> 00:55:05.280
Yeah, I think maybe that's it.

1256
00:55:05.400 --> 00:55:08.940
Well, I mean, it would be a celebratory enter the season.

1257
00:55:09.119 --> 00:55:11.639
Technically we're ending the season.

1258
00:55:11.699 --> 00:55:15.360
We choose what going off having learnt this terrible moral with a

1259
00:55:15.360 --> 00:55:17.219
bunch of nobodies we're never going to see again.

1260
00:55:17.280 --> 00:55:19.199
Well, folks, we'll see you in series two.

1261
00:55:19.260 --> 00:55:21.119
Yeah, it's not great.

1262
00:55:21.179 --> 00:55:26.519
I mean, had the 37s brought series one to a close, which I do

1263
00:55:26.519 --> 00:55:27.780
think was the original idea.

1264
00:55:27.900 --> 00:55:29.639
That does at least end.

1265
00:55:29.639 --> 00:55:34.980
With the decision of everybody, you stay with Voyager or you go

1266
00:55:34.980 --> 00:55:37.440
off to these fabulous cities that we can't afford to show you

1267
00:55:37.440 --> 00:55:38.940
because we spent all the budget this year.

1268
00:55:39.300 --> 00:55:41.460
Yeah, and they're, of course.

1269
00:55:41.519 --> 00:55:44.219
Of course, everybody's in the cargo bar.

1270
00:55:44.699 --> 00:55:47.820
I'd want it to be Niglix going, nah, do you know what?

1271
00:55:47.940 --> 00:55:48.239
off.

1272
00:55:48.300 --> 00:55:49.739
This is dull.

1273
00:55:49.800 --> 00:55:51.659
Enough of these fucking nebulas.

1274
00:55:51.719 --> 00:56:02.099
Jesus Christ All right, it's the end of the episode, and it is

1275
00:56:02.099 --> 00:56:04.860
time for us to work out where we're going next time.

1276
00:56:04.920 --> 00:56:11.820
It's my turn to choose, and ordinarily, I would take a look at our

1277
00:56:11.820 --> 00:56:15.539
coverage page and decide that we're going to do an episode of

1278
00:56:15.539 --> 00:56:16.320
Enterprise.

1279
00:56:16.380 --> 00:56:19.920
But just this once, I'm not going to do that.

1280
00:56:19.980 --> 00:56:24.719
I've taken a look at our coverage page and we're going to do an

1281
00:56:24.719 --> 00:56:27.659
episode of Star Trek, The Next Generation.

1282
00:56:27.840 --> 00:56:29.880
Oh, wonderful.

1283
00:56:29.940 --> 00:56:30.960
Okay.

1284
00:56:31.019 --> 00:56:31.199
Yeah.

1285
00:56:31.260 --> 00:56:33.360
We've been pretty lucky with next gen lately.

1286
00:56:33.420 --> 00:56:36.539
We have, so it's bound to be terrible.

1287
00:56:36.599 --> 00:56:37.619
Please.

1288
00:56:37.679 --> 00:56:39.119
There is one. series one.

1289
00:56:39.179 --> 00:56:39.539
Come on.

1290
00:56:39.599 --> 00:56:41.340
It's Peter.

1291
00:56:41.340 --> 00:56:41.880
Code of honour.

1292
00:56:41.940 --> 00:56:43.440
I've been the one to roll it, I think.

1293
00:56:43.500 --> 00:56:44.639
Yeah, I'm desperate.

1294
00:56:44.639 --> 00:56:45.300
To biosis.

1295
00:56:45.360 --> 00:56:45.780
Come on.

1296
00:56:47.460 --> 00:56:49.980
All right, here goes.

1297
00:56:53.039 --> 00:56:55.380
So it is season one.

1298
00:56:55.440 --> 00:56:56.579
Oh, yes.

1299
00:56:57.119 --> 00:57:03.539
It's it's season one, episode 24, We'll always have Paris.

1300
00:57:03.599 --> 00:57:07.739
Oh, that's sort of erring on the side of being all right, though.

1301
00:57:07.800 --> 00:57:11.579
Yeah, that is on the side of thing, all right. totally terrible.

1302
00:57:11.639 --> 00:57:14.219
I think you should keep going until we get something awful.

1303
00:57:14.280 --> 00:57:18.659
Yeah, it's not as good as we'll always have Tom Paris, which is

1304
00:57:18.659 --> 00:57:21.780
obviously an excellent episode. off lower decks.

1305
00:57:21.900 --> 00:57:24.000
So we will roll again.

1306
00:57:24.539 --> 00:57:29.280
The cheek of those people is unbelievable.

1307
00:57:29.340 --> 00:57:32.280
Come on, can't you roll suspicions, please?

1308
00:57:32.639 --> 00:57:39.900
So I've just rolled a matter of honour, series 2, episode eight.

1309
00:57:39.960 --> 00:57:41.820
I mean, that's very good of honour.

1310
00:57:41.880 --> 00:57:43.800
That is actually pretty good.

1311
00:57:43.860 --> 00:57:48.300
And it's one of the only good episodes in season two.

1312
00:57:48.420 --> 00:57:49.679
It is.

1313
00:57:49.739 --> 00:57:52.679
I really am in the mood for something terrible though, you know.

1314
00:57:52.739 --> 00:57:53.219
Okay.

1315
00:57:53.280 --> 00:57:53.639
All right.

1316
00:57:53.699 --> 00:57:56.519
I don't want it to be too terrible, but I kind of want it to be a

1317
00:57:56.519 --> 00:57:56.940
bit later.

1318
00:57:57.000 --> 00:58:00.360
A matter of honour is very good, though, and super important in

1319
00:58:00.360 --> 00:58:03.719
the way that Klingons get portrayed going forward.

1320
00:58:03.780 --> 00:58:06.599
It's our 1st mention of gach, for instance.

1321
00:58:06.659 --> 00:58:08.280
No, it's fabulous episodes.

1322
00:58:08.340 --> 00:58:09.659
Rob Oman directing it again.

1323
00:58:09.719 --> 00:58:10.260
It's really great.

1324
00:58:10.320 --> 00:58:11.400
Really good.

1325
00:58:11.460 --> 00:58:11.820
All right.

1326
00:58:11.880 --> 00:58:12.719
We'll try another one.

1327
00:58:13.800 --> 00:58:18.480
Season two, episode 15, pen pals.

1328
00:58:18.539 --> 00:58:21.300
Oh, that's sort of average, isn't it?

1329
00:58:21.360 --> 00:58:22.980
It is very average.

1330
00:58:23.039 --> 00:58:24.840
We just did average.

1331
00:58:25.139 --> 00:58:27.239
Try and guess like a bit later.

1332
00:58:27.300 --> 00:58:31.980
Ooh, this is not later, but I'm super tempted.

1333
00:58:32.039 --> 00:58:39.119
It's season one, episode 26 The Neutral Zone.

1334
00:58:40.619 --> 00:58:47.219
Yes, it's simultaneously, absolutely ghastly, and rather good.

1335
00:58:47.280 --> 00:58:51.360
Yeah, it's really interesting in all sorts of ways, isn't it?

1336
00:58:51.420 --> 00:58:55.440
It's kind of them setting stuff up a little bit.

1337
00:58:55.500 --> 00:58:56.940
It's very strange.

1338
00:58:57.000 --> 00:58:59.579
It's a bit like learning curve.

1339
00:58:59.639 --> 00:59:02.699
It has 3 rando characters in it that we never see again.

1340
00:59:02.760 --> 00:59:05.219
That we've never seen, really annoying as well.

1341
00:59:05.519 --> 00:59:11.579
In fact, one of them does get a mention in lower decks.

1342
00:59:11.639 --> 00:59:14.280
I think, or may even appear.

1343
00:59:14.280 --> 00:59:17.340
Come to the conclusion now that everything gets a mention at least

1344
00:59:17.340 --> 00:59:18.539
once in lower decks.

1345
00:59:18.599 --> 00:59:19.559
I think it probably does.

1346
00:59:19.679 --> 00:59:21.059
I think we're going to do it.

1347
00:59:21.119 --> 00:59:21.960
Why don't we do it?

1348
00:59:22.019 --> 00:59:23.099
I think it would be great.

1349
00:59:23.159 --> 00:59:27.599
We can only do it if the 2 of us pay particular attention to the

1350
00:59:27.599 --> 00:59:32.880
episode and can name the exact minute and second, we get the close

1351
00:59:32.340 --> 00:59:36.239
up on the pad, which lists all of the Doctor Who's in order.

1352
00:59:36.360 --> 00:59:40.199
I think they may have removed that for the high definition

1353
00:59:40.199 --> 00:59:40.920
version.

1354
00:59:40.980 --> 00:59:42.960
I'm not certain.

1355
00:59:43.019 --> 00:59:45.300
I will just pay attention, all right?

1356
00:59:45.360 --> 00:59:46.800
Well, keep an eye out for it.

1357
00:59:46.860 --> 00:59:47.820
And you know what else?

1358
00:59:48.420 --> 00:59:50.039
Do you know what else are Neutrasome Scott as well?

1359
00:59:50.579 --> 00:59:53.280
Fabulous Ron Jones music.

1360
00:59:55.980 --> 00:59:58.079
Oh, just you wait.

1361
00:59:58.139 --> 00:59:58.920
That's awesome.

1362
00:59:58.980 --> 00:59:59.820
Okay, brilliant.

1363
01:00:00.300 --> 01:00:00.780
Let's do it.

1364
01:00:00.840 --> 01:00:01.260
Brilliant.

1365
01:00:01.380 --> 01:00:02.099
All right, will do it.

1366
01:00:11.159 --> 01:00:14.579
You've been listening to untitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford

1367
01:00:14.579 --> 01:00:15.719
and Nathan Bottomley.

1368
01:00:15.780 --> 01:00:19.500
We're online at Untitled Star Trek project.com, where you can find

1369
01:00:19.500 --> 01:00:22.440
subscription links and links to our social media accounts.

1370
01:00:22.500 --> 01:00:26.940
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Sisrin, and the theme was composed

1371
01:00:26.940 --> 01:00:28.320
by Cameron Laham.

1372
01:00:28.380 --> 01:00:33.059
This episode was recorded on the 25th of March, 2025, and released

1373
01:00:33.059 --> 01:00:34.500
on the 28th of March.

1374
01:00:34.559 --> 01:00:38.340
We'll see you next time for Star Trek the Next Generation, the

1375
01:00:38.340 --> 01:00:39.000
Neutral Zone.

1376
01:00:54.059 --> 01:00:56.400
Oh, if there's anything else we can say about this?

1377
01:00:56.460 --> 01:00:57.960
Yeah, that's the end.

1378
01:00:58.019 --> 01:01:00.539
Enough of these fucking nebulas, right?

1379
01:01:00.599 --> 01:01:01.679
Okay.

1380
01:01:01.739 --> 01:01:03.539
Okay, it's my turn.

1381
01:01:03.659 --> 01:01:04.500
It's my turn.

1382
01:01:04.559 --> 01:01:06.539
Boy, boy. boring.

1383
01:01:06.659 --> 01:01:08.099
So bad.

1384
01:01:09.000 --> 01:01:11.219
Oh, dear.

1385
01:01:11.280 --> 01:01:14.159
I mean, why even bother being Star Trek?

1386
01:01:14.219 --> 01:01:16.800
Do you know when you're in space, you could do anything.

1387
01:01:17.099 --> 01:01:21.539
They didn't even look out the fucking window. like an entry

1388
01:01:21.539 --> 01:01:22.619
anything.

1389
01:01:24.119 --> 01:01:27.960
I mean, are we supposed to be getting used to the ship in that

1390
01:01:27.960 --> 01:01:28.320
episode?

1391
01:01:28.380 --> 01:01:30.059
Is that why we were running around it so much?

1392
01:01:30.119 --> 01:01:31.019
Who knows?

1393
01:01:32.460 --> 01:01:34.380
Okay hang on.

1394
01:01:34.440 --> 01:01:35.699
Oh, no, shoes, not me.

1395
01:01:35.760 --> 01:01:36.179
The shoe.

1396
01:01:36.780 --> 01:01:39.599
Oh, let me look at the coverage page.

1397
01:01:39.659 --> 01:01:42.239
I've already shows an our picture.

1398
01:01:42.300 --> 01:01:43.559
Or for this one.

1399
01:01:44.400 --> 01:01:46.380
Is it the cheese?

1400
01:01:46.440 --> 01:01:47.340
Yeah.

1401
01:01:47.400 --> 01:01:51.059
It's amazing, it could be.

1402
01:01:51.119 --> 01:01:54.599
But the look on it's the look on Tuvok's face.

1403
01:01:54.659 --> 01:01:55.619
It's actually pretty great.

1404
01:01:55.679 --> 01:01:58.380
Like, um, you're going to send it to you.

1405
01:01:58.440 --> 01:02:01.079
I found, oh, my phone's downstairs.

1406
01:02:01.139 --> 01:02:02.340
I have to hang on.

1407
01:02:02.400 --> 01:02:05.579
I found SFX, right?

1408
01:02:05.639 --> 01:02:11.460
So when Endgame came out, SFX did a full magazine reviewing every

1409
01:02:11.460 --> 01:02:12.840
episode of Voyager, right?

1410
01:02:12.900 --> 01:02:14.760
Mark found it the other day when he was going through the

1411
01:02:14.760 --> 01:02:15.059
cupboards.

1412
01:02:15.059 --> 01:02:16.199
I went, oh, I'll give that a read.

1413
01:02:16.260 --> 01:02:17.940
And I knew this was coming up.

1414
01:02:18.000 --> 01:02:20.099
So I read like all the 1st season reviews.

1415
01:02:20.159 --> 01:02:23.519
They gave Jatrell like 3 out of 10 right.

1416
01:02:23.579 --> 01:02:25.019
And this ate.

1417
01:02:25.079 --> 01:02:28.860
I was like, what planet are you people on?

1418
01:02:28.920 --> 01:02:31.019
That's so bad, isn't it?

1419
01:02:31.079 --> 01:02:32.280
Wait a second.

1420
01:02:32.280 --> 01:02:33.480
What's this one?

1421
01:02:34.800 --> 01:02:37.679
Okay, but I mean, what has this got going for it is the thing.

1422
01:02:39.539 --> 01:02:41.699
What's this song called again?

1423
01:02:45.000 --> 01:02:50.760
It's a look on 2 og's face that really sells it.

1424
01:02:51.780 --> 01:02:53.280
Okay.

1425
01:03:00.239 --> 01:03:03.420
Oh, that horrible polar cheese, yeah.

1426
01:03:03.480 --> 01:03:04.860
Yeah, it's great, isn't it?

1427
01:03:04.920 --> 01:03:05.760
God.

1428
01:03:05.820 --> 01:03:06.960
It's vile.

1429
01:03:07.019 --> 01:03:08.760
In fact, Juvok's faces.

1430
01:03:08.760 --> 01:03:10.440
Quite appropriate.

1431
01:03:11.460 --> 01:03:14.639
If you expect me to eat that, Mr. Neelix.

1432
01:03:14.760 --> 01:03:17.340
Come on, give it a try.

1433
01:03:19.199 --> 01:03:21.119
Okay, I'm ready.

1434
01:03:21.179 --> 01:03:21.780
I'm ready.

1435
01:03:23.159 --> 01:03:25.679
All right, it's the end of the episode.