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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So, I'm excited this week, because we're back aboard the Starship

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Discovery, and we haven't been here for quite some time, and it is

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yet another season finale.

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So we've done the season finale for series three, I think, and now

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we're here for the season finale of series two.

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So it's series two, episodes 13 and 14, such sweet sorrow and such

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sweet sorrow, part two, and they're broadcast about 6 years ago.

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So in simpler times, I think.

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I said last week that this made me quite angry at the time.

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Well, this time it made me quite angry, so that's appropriate.

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I have to say that I'm much more chill about it now because I

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think what annoyed me was that I could see where it was going and

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it's very clear and they make it very clear because it's the

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essential job not only of this two-parter, but perhaps even of

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this season to put them in the future so that they're out of

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continuity's way.

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And, um, it's a bit of a buying they've made for themselves. isn't

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it?

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That they've got to catapult themselves 900 years into the future

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just to stop, you know, rewriting the Star Trek timeline.

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Yeah, and I think that's a shame because I think that Star Trek

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could do with some rewriting of the timeline.

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And sometimes I think that one of the things that I liked about

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series one was it's kind of weird, fractious relationship with

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continuity.

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I enjoyed that, but a lot of people didn't.

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And so that was kind of why I interpreted series 2 as an apology

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tour in many ways.

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I agree with you.

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Now I've watched this recently.

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I agree with you.

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I now suddenly have some affection for the fractuous relationships

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of season one and I think actually they're doing something a bit

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more interesting.

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At the time, I didn't like it because that wasn't the Star Trek I

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was used to.

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It was like a bit like a cold water thrown in my face.

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What the hell is this?

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We haven't got a crew at the end of episode one.

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Nobody's getting on.

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Michael Burnham's being treated horribly.

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The captain is a murderer.

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Like the security chief.

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You know, that dreadful woman who got eaten by the Tardigrade.

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She's vile.

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What is going on?

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Well, I'll take all of it, all right, over the sweet sorrow I

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suffered through this 1st episode.

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The ooey, gooey, saccharined, lovey doveyness of everybody staring

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at each other longingly while strings play and everybody's self

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sacrificing themselves and we're telling each other every 2

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minutes, what a lovely crew and family and how much we all love

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each other.

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Oh boy, oh boy, please give me some of that cynicism from season

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one back.

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This is an apology tour.

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They are going to some efforts to rectify what I think they think

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is mistakes in the 1st series and stressing to an extreme level

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how much these characters love each other.

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And for me, it's too much.

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So I think that they have a really hard job to do because what

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they've got to do.

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So they've decided to go into the future.

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And in a sense that might have been good from the get go.

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It might have been good to have a new era of Star Trek that's said

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in a new era that we haven't met before.

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And we know from the 3 seasons of discovery that we get after this

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that the show flourishes once it's free of the constraints of the

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past and it can be visually much more adventurous and

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interesting.

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Um, you know, the technology can be more fun, the visuals can be a

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little bit more interesting.

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Just catching up with all those races that we know, but 900 years

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in the future.

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Exactly right.

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All of that stuff is really fun.

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That would have been a really good way of starting it.

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I can see why they didn't start it that way.

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And getting from there to here is the big problem because they

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have to make it clear that they're going voluntarily because it

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can't be Voyager.

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They don't want it to be a show where they're trying to get back

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home.

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And so they have to make it clear that it's voluntary and that

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it's permanent.

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So we need to see everyone making the decision to do that.

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But that's so implausible.

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That's so impossibly implausible that everyone just goes, yes, we

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will leave our friends and family behind forever.

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Yeah. and follow my own.

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They literally say, do you know, we signed up to this.

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We knew this was a possible, what you knew going 900 years into

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the future, never seeing your family and friends and everybody

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that you've built your life around ever again, it was a

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possibility.

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Well, why did you sign up then?

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That line is that they knew the death was a possibility, I think.

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In season three, they do, for a few episodes, show them adjusting

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to being cut off everybody, but it's very soon forgotten.

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And I just don't buy it. everyone would be like, oh, well, we're

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here.

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Let's just get on with.

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It's very strange.

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Yeah, and so that's the problem.

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That's the problem, that they have this implausible thing and

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they've got to somehow make it work.

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And they've got to make it satisfying too in a show where things

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have emotional consequences, which is not.

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Do they have emotional consequences?

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But that's not what Star Trek has hitherto been.

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So Star Trek in the 90s is very, very focussed on essentially a

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male adolescent audience.

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Do you know what I mean?

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and is absolutely sent into rounds.

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It's around its concerns.

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Whereas this is trying to be more adult drama and is trying to, you

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know, have people behave in a plausible way.

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But they've got this just impossible task.

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And so I don't think they've managed to sell it.

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But I can see them trying to make it work and particularly in this

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episode.

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You say adult.

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I was getting sort of teen drama vibes.

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The sort of shows I watched in the 90s where it was very lovely W

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where people did the, so, Buffy without the, without the knowing

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eyes of the audience.

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That's what I was getting here Well, when I say adult drama, it

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was when it show the show started, it was very violent, it was it

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used horror tropes, there was swearing.

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Fabulous.

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Well, not the swear.

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People had sex.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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No, I loved all of that.

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I did like people being eating Bartard de Bray, so that was

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great.

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I mean, it was kind of nasty, wasn't it, at times?

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blood flying in the air.

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Fabulous.

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Exactly.

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And what you talked about about what discovery is like in series

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one where everyone is kind of horrible and discoveries are

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horrible plays to be.

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And, you know, they do some things, I think, in series 2 that are

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good.

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They bring Anson Mount abroad, which is genius.

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Although I did feel a tangible difference from him here to what we

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get later in Strange New Worlds.

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I don't think they've quite refined the character to the one that

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fronts that show.

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He was a bit more serious in this as well.

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He's so much more relaxed in strange new worlds.

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That's right.

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Well, Strangely Worlds has just a very different tone.

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And I think it's more successful because it comes out of the gate

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into a world where they've had experience creating some seasons of

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Star Trek at this and they kind of know what they're doing.

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They've got time to think they're not kind of making it up as they

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go along in quite the same way.

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And it has a very clear idea of what it is.

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I mean, if you were to give the one sentence pitch of what Star

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Trek discovery is.

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It's kind of like, well, she's initially a prisoner and then she's

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on board a horrible shit, but the captain is the, you know, from

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the mirror universe and then someone else comes along and then

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they go 950 years in the future and stuff.

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It's just like, what even is the concept of this show?

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You can't state it, whereas Stranger Worlds is, they're on the

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enterprise and they're kind of travelling through space doing Star

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Trek thing.

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Wonderful.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Although, the way this show mutates, it is, it is interesting.

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Just how much changes from year to year is super interesting.

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And I think it's more ambitious, you know, than any of the other

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Kurtzman Treks, I think.

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But I do think bringing in characters from original Star Trek

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bringing in the enterprise, backtracking on the characterisation

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choices you made in it, it is a step backwards.

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It's not a step forward.

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It's playing it safe.

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It's being less risky.

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It's giving Star Trek fans what Star Trek fans think they want.

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And yet, weirdly enough, aside from the, I think there was a push

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against the dollop of syrup that was guzzled down at the end of

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this season.

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I mean, Jesus Christ, we made a joke, you and me, about how in 90s

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trek, every time, you know, Captain Jane, where Captain Cisco

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Captain Picard says, right, well, we're going into this impossible

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situation now.

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You know, anyone who wants to just step over that line and you can

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stay and no one does.

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But we certainly didn't have half an hour of people standing

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around all talking about how they're going to self-sacro.

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Michael Burnham, does it?

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Spock does it and some Mount character does it.

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The whole crew does it.

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I'm like, all right, you're all going to sacrifice.

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You all love each other. fucking get on with it already.

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That was my biggest issue with this two-parter, yeah?

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Is that after the 1st 10 minutes, fuck all happens in this 1st

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episode.

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It is just a series of protracted character scenes of people

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stressing how much they love each other.

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And then you jump into episode 2 and you have 5 minutes of manic

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preparations before the action starts, which absolutely could have

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happened in this episode and we could have ended this episode on

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all of those ships appearing and the action about to start.

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It's just baffling the way this is paced.

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I actually think it's not quite as bad as you say.

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I think that you are emphasising the bits that you don't like very

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much and saying they take longer than they do.

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Literally, nothing happens in the last half of this episode.

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And then it's go, go, go.

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I mean, that is the 2nd last episode and last episode thing.

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You know, the 1st episode builds up to the climax and then there's

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a thing.

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I think that this does spend too much time on some of that stuff

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but I think some of that stuff is well done.

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And I can see what they have to do is wrap up this version of the

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show completely to do something new.

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I mean, I don't think that you can complain that what we leave

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behind has a lot of people standing around talking to each other

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about their feelings as well.

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This is obviously not the culmination of 7 years of a show, but

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this is a show having to wrap itself up and wrap up all of its

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dangling blot lines and then head off and do something else.

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And you said, what, you leave behind doing that as well?

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Well, yeah, we was wrapping off all of it, dangling.

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Well, there's a war and battle scene forces.

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Oh, no, it just takes a long time to get there, that's all.

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So, like, I don't think this is as bad as I feared it was because

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my memory of it was a lot of people crying at each other for an

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hour on end, and I don't think it is quite bad.

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It certainly did seem like that at the time.

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Yeah, I found myself relieved that there was less of that than I

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expected.

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I mean, I found myself relieved when the action started in the 2nd

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episode because then I was like, okay, good. something's happening

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at last So one more thing.

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This is directed by Olatunde Ossansanmi, who is the person who has

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directed more discovery than anyone else.

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He did 14 episodes of Discovery, including the finale, and he has

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an executive producers role, I think, and he directed Section 31

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and he did some really pivotal episodes as well.

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So he is very much responsible, I think, for the way that this

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show is directed.

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And I...

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Why did you bring that up?

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You know I've got something to say.

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I'm going to be... all episode and I think he does a smashing job

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of this.

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I think he is really good.

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I think I think he's too scared to keep the camera still.

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Like, it never, ever stops moving in this episode.

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And there are scenes where people are just sitting around talking

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right, there could just be nice 2 shots and it's constantly moving

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around.

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I'll show you as we go through.

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I was just constantly distracted. about who the fuck is talking?

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The camera's moving across.

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No, it's going, it's just dizzying at times.

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And I'm like, Jesus Christ, the actors don't have a hope in these

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scenes because the camera's not settling on them for any period of

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time.

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It's so distracting.

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I don't think that's true.

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I think that it's much less...

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Most of the weird.

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Yeah, okay.

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All right, one moment where the camera is still...

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This is the really kind of virtuoso whirling the camera around

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stuff leads us from one scene to another.

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That's where most of that stuff happens.

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And the camera is less static now in TV these days than it was in

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the 90s and we constantly complain about how staid the direction

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is in 90s track.

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I think there's a happy medium between the 2 though, and it ain't

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this.

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Not when I was just, one, I was constantly aware that they were

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trying to make me feel things in this episode.

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And that's a problem because then I wasn't feeling it.

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I was just totally aware of the artifice of it.

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Two, I was constantly aware of the movement of the camera, and I

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was watching that more than I was enjoying the scene, and that was

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a problem.

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There's just they just try so hard.

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And I know that's a ridiculous thing to complain about.

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They're trying really hard, but sometimes you can try too hard and

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it's a distraction.

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I'm just...

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I'm just...

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The action was great.

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The action was brilliant, especially in the 2nd episode and I

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thought that's absolutely cinematic at times.

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It's beautiful, the action.

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And the special effects and all are absolutely gorgeous.

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But God, just slow it down.

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Well, no.

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Pace up the action and slow down the camera.

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All right.

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Well, let's see what happens because I think you'll find that

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there are more scenes of just people talking without the camera

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getting in the way and it's fine.

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No, no, no.

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Others are getting away.

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It just doesn't stop moving.

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It's not.

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It's annoying.

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Okay, well let's watch this thing.

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Okay.

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I'm gonna count this in.

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Five, four, three, two, one. and we're off.

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Now, I had to do some research.

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This is the introduction of Po, and that is in the 1st short

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trek.

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So there's a 10 minute scene with just her and Tilly meeting and

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becoming friends.

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And when she gets mentioned here, I think Tilly has a great fun

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moment.

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This is from last week.

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Oh, she's great.

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Yeah, she's really good.

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This is from last week.

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We're on Borath, which...

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So that's Dread cool, Klingons.

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That guy is played by the guy who played Takuvma.

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And so this is last week.

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Last week we had Pike.

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He took the time crystal, but the cost of the time crystal was not

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only finding out his future, but being unable to change it.

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And so there he sees the future that awaits him.

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Where did these time crystals come from?

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There are time crystals in original trek, I think.

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It is not an invention of discovery.

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It is part of the law.

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I mean, it's worth remembering, right?

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We did watch an original series episode where they just pop back

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in time as a scientific exploration.

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Do you remember?

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It's crazy.

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It is crazy.

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Yeah, assignment Earth, you know?

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So the other thing is too, that on board discovery, there is data

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from a sphere, which they encounter early on in the season, and

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it's a big life form that gets them and downloads, it's all of

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these 100s of 1000s of years of data into the computer, and that's

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how we get Zora in series three.

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Oh, okay.

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So okay.

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And we'll control them.

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This AI computer controlling section 31.

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So it's AI's threat assessment system.

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It was created by Section 31 to do threat assessment.

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It is an AI, but it turns on section 31 and wipes out everyone in

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the bass and then just pretends that its business as usual and

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sends holograms of section 31 people off to talk to people, but

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they're all fake.

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It's like, oh, that's you.

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They need a good marketer after this, don't they?

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They really do.

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Bit embarrassing.

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We all did.

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So, so there's like.

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Is this why they went underground in the future, you know, we

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don't see much of them in the 90s. a bit embarrassed by all

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those.

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So this is here to sell what I think is the weirdest decision in

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the in the show, which is to stop us.

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Oh, look, look at this handsome guy.

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Are you talking about...

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Okay, sorry.

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Are you talking about the bit where her parents show up?

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Yeah, halfway through the episode for an emotional scene.

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Simply because it's the final episode, I was a bit baffled about

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that as well.

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That's right I love Tilly grabbing her stuff.

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Like all of this abandoning the thing is moments for just little

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character stuff.

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So that's the dagger that his sister gave him.

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We've seen her.

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I think we've seen her before in the season, but there's a whole

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short track around her.

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All of that sort of stuff.

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Look at this beautiful shot.

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Discovery's bigger than enterprise.

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I am.

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Oh, no, I said this during the chat, but I'm going to repeat it

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now.

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Like, yes, you said it was covered in a lion that they can't just

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delete this sphere data, right?

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So they have to find some extreme way to get rid of it.

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But taking it 900 years into the future.

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Just seems like such an extreme solution.

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So the reason is, of course, that they're using the suit, a

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replica of the suit that Burnham's mother used.

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And so she jumped 950 years into the future to discover that

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control and and the sphere data had merged and had wiped out all

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of life.

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And we get to see that in a flash forward.

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So we know that that's what at stake.

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That's what's at stake and she keeps coming back from 950 years in

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the future in the suit to try and intervene to stop it from

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happening.

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And so that's why that's the time.

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And to have protracted emotional scenes with her daughter.

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That's a terrible episode.

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Is she gone now then?

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she gone?

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can't remember.

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She does turn up in series 3 and she has become one of the Romulan

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sincerity nuns who we are big fans of here on Untitled Star Trek

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Project.

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Oh, Nathan, look at it.

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Pretty, pretty sport.

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Oh, he looks great.

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Yes.

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Oh, I mean, it's full of pretty people.

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I can't complain on that front.

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Oh, here's another one.

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Colbert, very pretty.

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And so this is another plot that has to get resolved because of

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course they make the mistake of killing him at the end of series

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one and I think it is a mistake.

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It's a shocking character moment, but it's sort of awful.

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And they really make us pay for it.

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Like, they don't just resurrect you.

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Which game of frozen at this point?

431
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I don't know.

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This is not...

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Are they going for those sort of shock moments like Game of

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Thrones did?

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you know, where everyone talked about, my God, did you see the

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death of Cola?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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This goes out in April 2019. so I'm not quite sure.

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Look, there's some good camera work there moving us into her

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wherever she is.

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Yeah.

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So...

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So she's staring at the time crystal.

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So Boris is a Klingon monastery, isn't it, in Deep Space and Iron

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and a 90s track?

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If you say so, I don't really pay attention.

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It might be where Kayla sounds up.

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You know, it may be where Kayla ends up.

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I don't think they've invented it for this.

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I wish Pike's hair was as dramatic as usual. as big as it is flat

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these days, isn't it?

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So once kind of interesting about this, and they do follow it up

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what they do, they do a really good job of this in Strange Shoe

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World.

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So he has just learned what his future is at this and more than

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that, he's accepted it.

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He chose to accept this future in order to get hold of the time

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crystal in order to save this.

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And there's stuff around faith and kind of predestination here

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because, of course, what ends up happening is everything that

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they've already experienced is caused by someone time travelling

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from the future.

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And so, uh, they, so this is her touching the crystal.

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She's seeing a vision of the future where everyone gets killed.

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We don't see it actually... or control storms in and murders

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everyone.

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I got so excited during this bit, didn't I?

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Oh, my God.

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The entire crew's been murdered.

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Blake 7 star.

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We don't see it yet.

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We don't see the full thing.

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We just see the flash forward.

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She just gets the flash forward and then later on we'll see all of

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it.

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But there has been a scene of everything being destroyed by

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control and the sphere data merging.

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So the Big Bad this year is AI.

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Yeah, and funnily enough, next season of Picard, the Big Bad is AI

480
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as well, and you'll remember the Jart Vash, the Romulan doomsday

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cult, oh, we have to mention this.

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This is us on board Enterprise for the 1st time.

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So we've seen a bowl.

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But this is our seeing Enterprise for the 1st time.

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And it is...

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We're going to the bridge for the 1st time.

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Yeah, but the corridors with the red, like that turbo lift with

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the with the thing that you turn and the, like, it's absolutely

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doing.

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One thing that this does is we are doing Star Trek, but we are

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reimagining it.

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Do you know what I mean?

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We're not doing what Deep Space 9 and Next Generation did and just

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saying that it always looked like this.

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This is the 60s bridge and that's what it looked like.

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This is the 60s bridge.

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But look how stunningly beautiful it is.

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It's still got all the colours.

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It's a beautiful show.

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Wild Away Falls.

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It also feels a little bit like passing the baton as well. i.e

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we're off to the future with our advanced spaceship and we're

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staying with the enterprise in the past.

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And at that point, we didn't have strange new worlds.

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People were clamouring for it because they really enjoyed Anson

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Mount and Rebecca remained. reading up about that.

507
00:23:33.420 --> 00:23:37.079
Apparently, it was quite a number of requests.

508
00:23:37.140 --> 00:23:37.980
Yeah, people just said these.

509
00:23:37.980 --> 00:23:38.940
They knew they had something.

510
00:23:39.000 --> 00:23:39.539
Yeah, yeah.

511
00:23:39.599 --> 00:23:44.339
But originally, of course, what happens is this leads into, this

512
00:23:44.339 --> 00:23:46.440
is said a few years before Star Trek.

513
00:23:46.500 --> 00:23:50.759
And so it is, you know, we end up following the enterprise

514
00:23:50.759 --> 00:23:54.720
discovery disappears from canon, and then we end up following

515
00:23:54.720 --> 00:23:55.559
enterprise.

516
00:23:55.559 --> 00:23:58.079
Oh, here is Philippa.

517
00:23:58.140 --> 00:23:59.160
Boy, thank God.

518
00:23:59.640 --> 00:24:04.319
Giorgio, the best character in all of Discovery. walks on the

519
00:24:04.319 --> 00:24:06.660
Enterprise Bridge and goes, orange, really.

520
00:24:08.160 --> 00:24:11.339
She has the best lines throughout this entire thing.

521
00:24:11.400 --> 00:24:13.980
There's one bit where she cuts down Michael Burnham.

522
00:24:14.039 --> 00:24:17.700
Oh, in the corridor saying, oh, this bloody self-sacrifice.

523
00:24:17.819 --> 00:24:20.039
Yeah, you're very impressive, don't you?

524
00:24:20.099 --> 00:24:23.759
Now she's imagining now she's imagining killing Leland, which of

525
00:24:23.759 --> 00:24:24.660
course she'll get to do.

526
00:24:24.720 --> 00:24:28.559
And obviously, you know, you've got to get her to be kicking him

527
00:24:28.559 --> 00:24:29.579
in the head and stuff.

528
00:24:29.640 --> 00:24:30.480
Fuck, look at that shit.

529
00:24:30.599 --> 00:24:31.920
So weird though.

530
00:24:31.980 --> 00:24:33.960
It's like having your cake and eating it, right?

531
00:24:34.019 --> 00:24:36.839
They want to do all this twee earnestness.

532
00:24:36.900 --> 00:24:39.539
But they're also willing to comment on it as well.

533
00:24:39.599 --> 00:24:41.519
So they know they're doing it.

534
00:24:41.579 --> 00:24:43.019
They know tend to.

535
00:24:43.079 --> 00:24:43.680
That's right.

536
00:24:43.740 --> 00:24:46.920
I think part of the problem is part of the problem here is that

537
00:24:46.920 --> 00:24:51.900
she's more fun than the people. and there's a moment there's a

538
00:24:51.900 --> 00:24:55.079
moment where Anson Mount gets his own back because he doesn't

539
00:24:55.079 --> 00:24:55.440
know.

540
00:24:55.500 --> 00:24:58.380
No one knows that Georgia is from the Mirror Universe.

541
00:24:58.440 --> 00:25:02.519
And so as they part, because of course, Shorjo goes with them into

542
00:25:02.519 --> 00:25:07.440
the future, as her and Anson Mount part, she goes, oh, by the way

543
00:25:07.440 --> 00:25:10.380
I'm from the Terrad Empire, and I'm super evil, and Anson Mount

544
00:25:10.380 --> 00:25:14.700
just winks at her, she disappears, which that's him being fun.

545
00:25:14.759 --> 00:25:20.460
So, like, I said to you, didn't I, what, um, what is the big

546
00:25:20.460 --> 00:25:24.359
difference here between the discovery crew and the strange new

547
00:25:24.359 --> 00:25:25.079
world's crew?

548
00:25:25.140 --> 00:25:28.019
And I thought it was like the sort of the quirkiness and how funny

549
00:25:28.019 --> 00:25:31.559
the crew are and how much more relaxed they are in Strange New

550
00:25:31.559 --> 00:25:31.980
World.

551
00:25:31.980 --> 00:25:33.420
There are glimmers of it here.

552
00:25:33.480 --> 00:25:37.559
There's a great moment where Jet Lano says, you know, let's move

553
00:25:37.559 --> 00:25:40.740
our asses and then she realises what she says and goes, oh, sorry.

554
00:25:40.799 --> 00:25:43.440
And there's a bit where Stamitz goes.

555
00:25:43.500 --> 00:25:44.880
I still hate you, you know.

556
00:25:44.940 --> 00:25:45.960
And she goes, great.

557
00:25:46.019 --> 00:25:46.619
I hate you too.

558
00:25:46.680 --> 00:25:50.039
And just a bit with chilli, and there are touches.

559
00:25:50.160 --> 00:25:54.240
It's just like it's almost like it just they haven't relaxed

560
00:25:54.240 --> 00:25:55.680
enough to let all that stuff flourish.

561
00:25:55.740 --> 00:25:57.720
But I don't think that that's what they want to do.

562
00:25:57.779 --> 00:26:01.259
Like, I think that they want this to be more serious. it's a fair

563
00:26:01.259 --> 00:26:01.680
approach.

564
00:26:01.740 --> 00:26:06.359
Well, but it's it's an approach that you can take and it, you know

565
00:26:06.359 --> 00:26:07.559
what ends up.

566
00:26:07.619 --> 00:26:08.160
Yeah, I know.

567
00:26:08.220 --> 00:26:08.880
Rocks.

568
00:26:08.940 --> 00:26:12.000
Look at all the rocks all over the floor. this, yeah, that's

569
00:26:12.000 --> 00:26:12.180
right.

570
00:26:12.240 --> 00:26:16.140
So it turns out in the past they packed in more rocks than any

571
00:26:16.140 --> 00:26:16.500
other time.

572
00:26:16.559 --> 00:26:20.700
Well, no, they've got more budget for rocks in Gertz for Trek.

573
00:26:20.759 --> 00:26:23.099
Look at the rocks there. motion rocks.

574
00:26:23.220 --> 00:26:24.180
Oh my goodness.

575
00:26:24.240 --> 00:26:25.259
Oh, man, oh, man.

576
00:26:25.319 --> 00:26:27.119
It's like a whole fucking quarry.

577
00:26:27.299 --> 00:26:30.180
Notice that we haven't had opening credits yet.

578
00:26:30.299 --> 00:26:33.900
We are, how far in, are we?

579
00:26:33.960 --> 00:26:36.180
We're 11 minutes in and we haven't had the opening.

580
00:26:36.240 --> 00:26:40.619
This episode follows the role of telling you what it's about in

581
00:26:40.619 --> 00:26:41.759
the pre-title sequence.

582
00:26:41.819 --> 00:26:42.660
Well, kind of.

583
00:26:42.720 --> 00:26:47.579
So you've got Leland who, forgive me, is just impossibly hard.

584
00:26:47.759 --> 00:26:52.019
Matt is murdering everybody on the Discovery Crew.

585
00:26:52.079 --> 00:26:53.099
I love everyone.

586
00:26:53.160 --> 00:26:53.880
He is hot.

587
00:26:53.940 --> 00:26:55.380
That's it.

588
00:26:55.440 --> 00:26:56.460
No, tears.

589
00:26:56.519 --> 00:26:57.900
He's just killed him, Ma.

590
00:26:57.960 --> 00:27:00.960
Oh, he was killed O. See, we like...

591
00:27:00.960 --> 00:27:02.700
Oh, it just faces him though.

592
00:27:02.759 --> 00:27:07.140
She doesn't let him break, break, break.

593
00:27:07.259 --> 00:27:07.440
Sorry.

594
00:27:07.440 --> 00:27:11.039
I think I was going to end up just screaming the word die during

595
00:27:11.039 --> 00:27:13.920
this episode, but I love this bit.

596
00:27:14.279 --> 00:27:18.359
So, so, so is he, hang on.

597
00:27:18.420 --> 00:27:19.799
He's an AI.

598
00:27:19.859 --> 00:27:21.359
Replicant?

599
00:27:21.359 --> 00:27:21.900
What is he?

600
00:27:21.960 --> 00:27:22.980
full of nanobots.

601
00:27:23.039 --> 00:27:24.420
So he is Leland.

602
00:27:25.559 --> 00:27:28.740
So the AI has killed all of the people.

603
00:27:28.799 --> 00:27:32.519
So there's a ship, during the season, and again, I didn't rewatch

604
00:27:32.519 --> 00:27:35.220
the whole season and I can't remember everything, I've definitely

605
00:27:35.220 --> 00:27:38.099
watched this finale a couple of times, but I haven't watched the

606
00:27:38.099 --> 00:27:39.599
rest of the season a couple of times.

607
00:27:39.660 --> 00:27:41.880
Most of the episodes I've only ever seen once.

608
00:27:41.940 --> 00:27:46.140
But I do remember that they had a ship and it was Philippa Ash and

609
00:27:46.140 --> 00:27:49.920
Leland on the ship and that was the section 31 ship, but everyone

610
00:27:49.920 --> 00:27:52.140
is killed on the section 31 ship.

611
00:27:52.140 --> 00:27:56.400
And Leland is full of nanobots, which we see pouring out of him

612
00:27:56.400 --> 00:27:57.960
and stuff at the end.

613
00:27:58.019 --> 00:27:58.859
And we've seen...

614
00:27:58.980 --> 00:27:59.819
How was she seeing that vision?

615
00:28:00.299 --> 00:28:02.880
It's the time crystal, remember?

616
00:28:02.940 --> 00:28:05.579
She touches the crystal.

617
00:28:05.640 --> 00:28:09.539
And it's warning her what will happen, just like...

618
00:28:09.539 --> 00:28:10.619
Wow, thank God it did that.

619
00:28:10.680 --> 00:28:12.240
Otherwise, they may have made the mistake.

620
00:28:12.299 --> 00:28:16.019
But remember the time crystal is there because it has to be there

621
00:28:16.019 --> 00:28:19.859
because it's the time crystal, that means that they, because this

622
00:28:19.859 --> 00:28:24.059
is a very moffety episode where we later just go back through the

623
00:28:24.059 --> 00:28:28.140
season and do all of the things that needed to happen in order to

624
00:28:28.140 --> 00:28:29.519
make the episodes occur.

625
00:28:29.579 --> 00:28:33.240
And so all of this depends on the successful outcome of this.

626
00:28:33.240 --> 00:28:36.720
And that's one thing that she, that was part of what they were

627
00:28:36.720 --> 00:28:40.259
talking about before her and Pike in that scene.

628
00:28:40.440 --> 00:28:42.900
Thank God for the time, Crystal.

629
00:28:42.960 --> 00:28:45.359
She says, this is why we have it.

630
00:28:45.420 --> 00:28:49.200
The Time Crystal is telling her what happens if we don't leave.

631
00:28:49.259 --> 00:28:51.900
If we don't leave, we have to go to the future.

632
00:28:51.960 --> 00:28:54.359
So the time crystal's told her, and there you go.

633
00:28:54.420 --> 00:28:55.440
Opening credits.

634
00:28:55.740 --> 00:28:57.900
It absolutely amazing how rule. are we?

635
00:28:57.960 --> 00:28:59.579
13 years. 13 minutes.

636
00:28:59.640 --> 00:29:02.099
But there's only half an hour to go.

637
00:29:02.160 --> 00:29:05.400
So yeah, and you were complaining about an hour of benching and

638
00:29:05.400 --> 00:29:05.640
stuff.

639
00:29:05.700 --> 00:29:08.460
There was no, there was no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no

640
00:29:08.460 --> 00:29:14.220
no, no, no, no, no, the 1st 10, 15 minutes were good, and then it

641
00:29:14.220 --> 00:29:15.960
was half an hour of love.

642
00:29:16.019 --> 00:29:17.400
It's not even half an hour.

643
00:29:17.640 --> 00:29:20.099
It all... 33 minutes.

644
00:29:20.160 --> 00:29:21.779
That is over half an hour. you very much.

645
00:29:21.839 --> 00:29:24.359
It's not all going to be us talking about how much we love each

646
00:29:24.359 --> 00:29:24.599
other.

647
00:29:24.660 --> 00:29:28.680
But it does obey the rule because it goes into the opening credits

648
00:29:28.680 --> 00:29:30.779
on Michael saying we have to go to the future.

649
00:29:31.500 --> 00:29:35.160
And so from this point, we know that that's what's happening.

650
00:29:35.220 --> 00:29:39.180
At this point in the episode, I'm pretty annoyed because I really

651
00:29:39.180 --> 00:29:42.480
liked what we had before and I didn't want them to throw it away.

652
00:29:42.539 --> 00:29:46.019
And I thought it was caving to very boring Star Trek fans.

653
00:29:46.440 --> 00:29:50.460
But now I'm happy about it because it turned out okay.

654
00:29:50.519 --> 00:29:53.640
Mark Adam says, I will go to the future and I will do this.

655
00:29:53.700 --> 00:29:54.779
So I'll sacrifice myself.

656
00:29:54.839 --> 00:29:55.200
Yeah?

657
00:29:55.259 --> 00:29:56.460
No there's a reason for it.

658
00:29:56.880 --> 00:30:00.359
No, no, no, but she says she'll do it on her own.

659
00:30:00.359 --> 00:30:01.559
And then they're all saying that.

660
00:30:01.619 --> 00:30:03.359
The reason that it has to be on her own.

661
00:30:03.420 --> 00:30:08.819
The reason it has to be her is that the ship is as usual keyed

662
00:30:08.819 --> 00:30:13.259
into her mother's DNA, and so she's the only one who can fly it

663
00:30:13.259 --> 00:30:15.359
because she has half of her mother's DNA.

664
00:30:15.420 --> 00:30:17.880
And of course, she's the main character of the show, and that's

665
00:30:17.880 --> 00:30:19.619
obviously how it's going to work.

666
00:30:19.680 --> 00:30:22.380
But there's an in episode reason for it.

667
00:30:22.440 --> 00:30:24.660
It's not just that she's more selfless than everyone.

668
00:30:25.380 --> 00:30:27.720
I just don't want to be this person.

669
00:30:27.779 --> 00:30:31.079
Yeah, but DNA controlled suits.

670
00:30:31.140 --> 00:30:35.759
It's time crystals, AI computer's gone evil.

671
00:30:35.819 --> 00:30:37.500
Oh, no, but it's all just a bit dumb.

672
00:30:37.559 --> 00:30:39.000
It's all Star Trek.

673
00:30:39.059 --> 00:30:40.319
Look at this beautiful shot.

674
00:30:40.380 --> 00:30:42.960
So this is on the Enterprise.

675
00:30:43.019 --> 00:30:46.319
This is their their room. their kind of ready room.

676
00:30:46.380 --> 00:30:48.539
Only much nicer than it was in the 60s.

677
00:30:48.599 --> 00:30:53.400
Yeah, so this is explaining why... shot, shot, shot, shot, shot.

678
00:30:53.460 --> 00:30:55.019
But we're getting reactions.

679
00:30:55.079 --> 00:30:56.039
We're getting their faces.

680
00:30:56.099 --> 00:30:57.359
We're seeing them reacting.

681
00:30:57.420 --> 00:31:00.059
He's speaking, she's speaking.

682
00:31:00.180 --> 00:31:02.640
We've got the camera on the people who are speaking.

683
00:31:02.700 --> 00:31:03.960
It's moving slightly.

684
00:31:04.019 --> 00:31:07.740
It's sort of tilting weirdly, the whole thing. because that's what

685
00:31:07.740 --> 00:31:08.579
the camera does now.

686
00:31:08.640 --> 00:31:10.259
Just keep it still.

687
00:31:10.319 --> 00:31:14.279
It's not, but like, it's not whirling around. anything.

688
00:31:14.339 --> 00:31:15.900
This is fairly standard.

689
00:31:15.900 --> 00:31:17.940
I've been watching some modern day TV.

690
00:31:18.000 --> 00:31:18.720
Shock horror.

691
00:31:18.779 --> 00:31:19.079
I know.

692
00:31:19.200 --> 00:31:21.000
I've been watching Star Wars shows.

693
00:31:21.059 --> 00:31:23.880
The camera ain't doing this, you know, like it's on our bloody

694
00:31:23.880 --> 00:31:24.480
pendulum.

695
00:31:24.539 --> 00:31:29.940
Yeah, I think that you're, I mean, this is very, very staid the

696
00:31:29.940 --> 00:31:30.720
direction of this.

697
00:31:30.779 --> 00:31:31.859
This is very standard.

698
00:31:35.759 --> 00:31:38.160
Camera's moving very gently.

699
00:31:38.220 --> 00:31:39.059
It's fine.

700
00:31:39.119 --> 00:31:41.339
I don't I don't see the problem.

701
00:31:41.400 --> 00:31:42.900
Just keep it still.

702
00:31:43.140 --> 00:31:47.759
But it's not preventing you from hearing the dialogue or seeing

703
00:31:47.759 --> 00:31:49.019
the reaction.

704
00:31:49.019 --> 00:31:49.920
To the left.

705
00:31:50.759 --> 00:31:52.559
To the right.

706
00:31:52.619 --> 00:31:53.700
To the left.

707
00:31:53.759 --> 00:31:56.700
Stranger worlds does this as well, you know.

708
00:31:56.759 --> 00:31:59.220
Straight she whirls, the camera moves like that.

709
00:31:59.279 --> 00:32:00.119
I don't notice it.

710
00:32:00.180 --> 00:32:02.460
Let's do a Strange New World episode soon, Paul.

711
00:32:03.779 --> 00:32:09.480
I do, I mean, I like the light source is coming in, sort of

712
00:32:09.539 --> 00:32:10.259
something nice.

713
00:32:10.319 --> 00:32:13.500
That's, I mean, that is a great thing and it's something that I

714
00:32:13.500 --> 00:32:16.799
think happens for the 1st time really in generations.

715
00:32:16.859 --> 00:32:22.200
Remember the shock of seeing 10 forward with actual orange, like

716
00:32:22.200 --> 00:32:24.240
yellow light pouring in through the windows.

717
00:32:24.299 --> 00:32:25.559
It was so good.

718
00:32:25.619 --> 00:32:27.240
It made it seem so much more real.

719
00:32:30.299 --> 00:32:32.640
Oh, so here's the idea.

720
00:32:32.700 --> 00:32:37.500
She wants to blow up a nova and then it will kill everyone, says

721
00:32:37.500 --> 00:32:39.599
Saru, and she says, yep, yep.

722
00:32:40.140 --> 00:32:42.660
Michael, we're not doing that.

723
00:32:42.720 --> 00:32:43.319
That's wonderful.

724
00:32:45.059 --> 00:32:48.000
That was one of the few times I laughed out loud.

725
00:32:48.059 --> 00:32:50.819
You know, it's got to kill all people.

726
00:32:50.819 --> 00:32:52.559
Yeah, a 100 light years.

727
00:32:52.619 --> 00:32:53.819
Yeah, and...

728
00:32:53.819 --> 00:32:56.880
I tell you what.

729
00:32:56.940 --> 00:33:01.859
Who else is really great is Katrina.

730
00:33:01.920 --> 00:33:04.319
So, is that the character's name?

731
00:33:04.559 --> 00:33:06.779
I don't even know who that is.

732
00:33:06.839 --> 00:33:10.259
Katrina Cornwell, Admiral Cornwell The woman who was...

733
00:33:10.259 --> 00:33:14.579
She had the relationship with thing with...

734
00:33:14.579 --> 00:33:17.039
You're going to fight me on this, but the Enterprise is a much

735
00:33:17.039 --> 00:33:19.140
nicer spaceship than Discovery, you know.

736
00:33:19.200 --> 00:33:21.420
Oh, but the thing I like about Discovery...

737
00:33:21.420 --> 00:33:26.220
I think it looks gorgeous. dark, and I like the burnished metal

738
00:33:26.220 --> 00:33:31.559
like I like that instead of being gray, it's kind of brass and

739
00:33:31.559 --> 00:33:33.059
like that's a very different look.

740
00:33:33.119 --> 00:33:37.559
I think this is a beautiful, beautiful. nostalgia.

741
00:33:37.619 --> 00:33:40.259
Look, she's got that fabulous thing that you peer into at the

742
00:33:40.259 --> 00:33:40.619
front there.

743
00:33:40.680 --> 00:33:41.700
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

744
00:33:41.759 --> 00:33:42.420
It looks...

745
00:33:42.539 --> 00:33:46.500
I mean, it, I, you know, obviously the Strange New World said.

746
00:33:46.559 --> 00:33:49.200
This is not what we go with, and in the 1st episode of Strange New

747
00:33:49.200 --> 00:33:49.559
Worlds.

748
00:33:49.619 --> 00:33:52.740
We hear that Enterprise has been in SpaceDock being redesigned to

749
00:33:52.740 --> 00:33:53.759
look a bit less like this.

750
00:33:53.880 --> 00:34:02.940
Um, and it, um, But I just think, you know, this looks great.

751
00:34:03.000 --> 00:34:06.059
The new one looks great, but obviously the sets are bigger and

752
00:34:06.059 --> 00:34:09.179
more complicated, but they're still obviously trying to, and less

753
00:34:09.179 --> 00:34:13.679
blue, I think, a bit more white, but they're still trying to evoke

754
00:34:13.679 --> 00:34:14.579
the old show.

755
00:34:15.179 --> 00:34:17.099
I like all that.

756
00:34:17.699 --> 00:34:19.739
It sounds like a backhanded compliment.

757
00:34:19.800 --> 00:34:23.039
I do like all the funky aliens they've got as well, big parts in

758
00:34:23.039 --> 00:34:23.280
this.

759
00:34:23.340 --> 00:34:27.960
Like they literally make up people or put them in crazy minds

760
00:34:28.019 --> 00:34:28.440
background.

761
00:34:28.500 --> 00:34:29.039
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

762
00:34:29.099 --> 00:34:31.920
So this is really great too, because it turns out that we're on

763
00:34:31.920 --> 00:34:36.239
the planet Zahir, which has dilithium supplies, and it turns out

764
00:34:36.239 --> 00:34:39.539
the Tilly knows the queen of Zahir from that short trek.

765
00:34:39.599 --> 00:34:42.900
And so she finds herself in this position where she can sort of

766
00:34:42.900 --> 00:34:43.739
name drop.

767
00:34:43.800 --> 00:34:47.760
I know the, I know the queen of this planet and can get her on

768
00:34:47.760 --> 00:34:49.619
board and she is really good.

769
00:34:49.679 --> 00:34:52.500
Like, I can't remember what that episode is called.

770
00:34:52.500 --> 00:34:54.900
It's called the runaway or something like that and it is very

771
00:34:54.900 --> 00:34:55.260
cute.

772
00:34:55.320 --> 00:34:57.599
And it is a little bit strange.

773
00:34:57.659 --> 00:35:00.179
Like it's kind of hard to know because it's our 1st short trek and

774
00:35:00.179 --> 00:35:01.920
we don't quite know what's happening here.

775
00:35:01.980 --> 00:35:05.760
Why do they not give any close-ups to that hot Asian guy?

776
00:35:05.820 --> 00:35:06.659
He's always in the background.

777
00:35:06.780 --> 00:35:10.139
So he's the, so he is hot, isn't he?

778
00:35:10.199 --> 00:35:12.119
That's very cute.

779
00:35:12.239 --> 00:35:13.199
That's Reese.

780
00:35:13.440 --> 00:35:17.579
And he's he's not communication, so I'm not quite sure what he

781
00:35:17.579 --> 00:35:17.820
is.

782
00:35:17.880 --> 00:35:19.380
He's something, but he's...

783
00:35:19.380 --> 00:35:21.719
Give him up, bloody close up, if you're giving F1 a look.

784
00:35:21.780 --> 00:35:24.719
Yeah, Patrick Quakshun as Reese.

785
00:35:24.780 --> 00:35:25.800
Oh, this.

786
00:35:27.239 --> 00:35:30.780
So here we have a conversation where for the 1st time maybe in

787
00:35:30.780 --> 00:35:31.619
Star Trek.

788
00:35:31.679 --> 00:35:33.480
Um, I don't know.

789
00:35:33.539 --> 00:35:37.019
We talked about this before, but how important it is to be able to

790
00:35:37.019 --> 00:35:38.519
see yourself in the future.

791
00:35:38.579 --> 00:35:41.460
And these 2 are so great.

792
00:35:41.460 --> 00:35:43.380
And they've been estranged.

793
00:35:43.440 --> 00:35:47.940
Do you remember they've just been estranged in the episode from

794
00:35:47.940 --> 00:35:51.059
season 2 that we saw before they, you know, you couldn't find

795
00:35:51.059 --> 00:35:51.900
anything.

796
00:35:51.960 --> 00:35:54.539
Is that because he was back from the dance...

797
00:35:55.079 --> 00:35:55.559
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

798
00:35:55.619 --> 00:35:56.639
And we make it cost something.

799
00:35:56.699 --> 00:35:57.539
We make it laugh.

800
00:35:57.539 --> 00:35:59.039
Just so sort of things that we all go through.

801
00:35:59.099 --> 00:36:01.079
That's right That's right.

802
00:36:01.139 --> 00:36:02.639
And here they're talking about.

803
00:36:02.760 --> 00:36:04.019
I mean, they play him.

804
00:36:04.079 --> 00:36:04.559
Yeah, yeah.

805
00:36:04.619 --> 00:36:09.179
And they have very natural chemistry, but it's so much better in

806
00:36:09.179 --> 00:36:12.179
series 3 when all of this is possible.

807
00:36:12.179 --> 00:36:15.420
And they're just having a relationship in a difficult time.

808
00:36:15.480 --> 00:36:18.719
It's not about zombies or whatever this is.

809
00:36:18.780 --> 00:36:22.800
It's just about 2 people estranged from their home trying to find

810
00:36:22.800 --> 00:36:23.159
their way.

811
00:36:23.219 --> 00:36:24.420
But look at this.

812
00:36:24.480 --> 00:36:27.179
They're talking about their plans for the future and they're

813
00:36:27.179 --> 00:36:29.579
talking about plans for the future that don't involve each other

814
00:36:29.579 --> 00:36:33.659
and they're talking about forward motion, the importance of

815
00:36:33.659 --> 00:36:34.739
forward motion.

816
00:36:34.800 --> 00:36:39.000
And what they mean by that is that our relationship is now over.

817
00:36:39.059 --> 00:36:41.280
We're planning to go ahead.

818
00:36:41.340 --> 00:36:43.500
We're not looking back its forward motion.

819
00:36:43.559 --> 00:36:46.920
But of course, it's talking about the show as well at this point.

820
00:36:46.980 --> 00:36:48.119
Do you know what I mean?

821
00:36:48.179 --> 00:36:51.059
Like that their plans for the future are different from what they

822
00:36:51.059 --> 00:36:51.960
expect.

823
00:36:52.019 --> 00:36:57.239
And of course, this episode, this 2 parter ends with us not

824
00:36:57.239 --> 00:37:01.139
knowing if, um, if Stammets is going to survive as well.

825
00:37:01.619 --> 00:37:07.619
As a, like, you know, the 1st in a line of emotional scenes that

826
00:37:07.619 --> 00:37:11.280
are coming up, this one works because...

827
00:37:11.340 --> 00:37:12.119
It's been awkward.

828
00:37:12.179 --> 00:37:15.179
It's a bit tentative and it's a bit more interesting.

829
00:37:15.239 --> 00:37:19.260
And the other one I loved was in the 2nd episode where the 1st

830
00:37:19.260 --> 00:37:24.300
goodbye between Spock and Burnham, which was without dialogue, just

831
00:37:24.300 --> 00:37:25.199
a couple of looks.

832
00:37:25.260 --> 00:37:28.500
They touch each other's hands, very restrained. loved all of

833
00:37:28.500 --> 00:37:28.679
that.

834
00:37:28.739 --> 00:37:31.019
I liked her saying goodbye to Ash as well.

835
00:37:31.139 --> 00:37:33.360
I thought that was really good because again, they had been

836
00:37:33.360 --> 00:37:34.019
estranged.

837
00:37:34.079 --> 00:37:35.099
Look at that shot.

838
00:37:35.159 --> 00:37:38.159
That thing where the camera pulls back and we actually go through

839
00:37:38.159 --> 00:37:42.239
the transport beam and it's a three-dimensional object.

840
00:37:42.300 --> 00:37:43.320
I think is a beautiful shot.

841
00:37:43.380 --> 00:37:44.219
Oh my god.

842
00:37:44.579 --> 00:37:47.460
Somebody, somebody fun on the ship.

843
00:37:47.699 --> 00:37:50.460
And she's wonderful, isn't she?

844
00:37:50.519 --> 00:37:51.900
She's so great.

845
00:37:51.960 --> 00:37:56.099
What about Michelle Leo's line when she finally gets hold of the

846
00:37:56.099 --> 00:37:56.579
ice cream?

847
00:37:56.639 --> 00:37:58.800
Oh, she go, what was it?

848
00:37:58.860 --> 00:38:01.679
This disgusting... or something.

849
00:38:01.739 --> 00:38:02.460
So good.

850
00:38:03.000 --> 00:38:05.099
They're really fun, aren't they?

851
00:38:05.099 --> 00:38:07.320
I cannot make a complaint about any line.

852
00:38:07.380 --> 00:38:09.480
Michelle, yo has in there, though.

853
00:38:09.539 --> 00:38:13.500
She could take a shit line and she would spin it into gold.

854
00:38:13.559 --> 00:38:14.940
She's magic. absolutely magic.

855
00:38:15.300 --> 00:38:17.039
Well done.

856
00:38:17.099 --> 00:38:22.440
So, of course, her name is Mahani Ika Harley Carpo, and he gets it

857
00:38:22.440 --> 00:38:27.719
right the 1st time and impresses her, and now we have her going to

858
00:38:27.719 --> 00:38:28.920
help with the time crystal.

859
00:38:28.980 --> 00:38:32.699
Oh, we have to charge it or something, don't we?

860
00:38:32.760 --> 00:38:35.760
Oh, and his jet, Reno, who's just not in the show enough.

861
00:38:36.420 --> 00:38:38.579
No, why is that?

862
00:38:38.639 --> 00:38:40.260
There was a reason for that.

863
00:38:40.320 --> 00:38:41.159
Well, no, no, no.

864
00:38:41.219 --> 00:38:43.260
I swear that she could only do a certain amount.

865
00:38:43.320 --> 00:38:46.559
I've read an interview with her that she could only do a certain

866
00:38:46.559 --> 00:38:46.920
amount.

867
00:38:47.039 --> 00:38:49.860
Which is a shame because she has got buckets of personality.

868
00:38:49.920 --> 00:38:51.480
Oh, she's wonderful, isn't she?

869
00:38:51.539 --> 00:38:52.199
She's really great.

870
00:38:52.260 --> 00:38:54.900
And I think her and stammets are really good together too, and

871
00:38:54.900 --> 00:38:55.980
they really lean into that.

872
00:38:56.039 --> 00:39:01.199
So when we go to the future, as you said before on the chat

873
00:39:01.500 --> 00:39:06.840
Discovery disappears from its own show for about 5 minutes or

874
00:39:06.840 --> 00:39:11.039
maybe even a bit more at the end to leave the enterprise to kind

875
00:39:11.039 --> 00:39:15.539
of take on the, you know, to pass the bat on to the enterprise, who

876
00:39:15.539 --> 00:39:19.260
we're going to follow, you know, way back in 1966 and so on.

877
00:39:19.320 --> 00:39:21.360
And it turns out it's...

878
00:39:21.420 --> 00:39:22.199
Oh, dude.

879
00:39:22.260 --> 00:39:26.639
I just, as an episode of Discovery, I thought leaving that

880
00:39:26.639 --> 00:39:27.239
ambiguous.

881
00:39:27.300 --> 00:39:28.619
Where the hell would they go?

882
00:39:28.679 --> 00:39:29.880
I think it's really strong.

883
00:39:29.940 --> 00:39:31.260
I think it's a great thing.

884
00:39:31.260 --> 00:39:33.719
Don't we open 3 with...

885
00:39:33.719 --> 00:39:35.460
It's just burns, Michael.

886
00:39:35.519 --> 00:39:35.760
Yeah.

887
00:39:35.880 --> 00:39:42.719
But then episode 2 very, very strongly leans into Stammets, Kulba

888
00:39:42.719 --> 00:39:47.400
and Jet Reno. all together in the aftermath of that accident and

889
00:39:47.400 --> 00:39:48.659
it's really, really great.

890
00:39:48.719 --> 00:39:49.980
The 3 of them are really good together.

891
00:39:51.119 --> 00:39:54.539
It's like, they want to piss off the Star Trek fans.

892
00:39:54.659 --> 00:39:56.519
Where the hell's discovery gone?

893
00:39:56.579 --> 00:39:58.320
No, and you're not even going to see it in the face.

894
00:39:58.380 --> 00:40:00.119
It's really good.

895
00:40:00.360 --> 00:40:01.500
I think it's properly good.

896
00:40:01.559 --> 00:40:02.639
Yeah, yeah.

897
00:40:03.420 --> 00:40:06.719
Yeah, okay, so this is a fairly standard scene.

898
00:40:06.780 --> 00:40:09.239
Again, the cameras are pretty much just hitting people's faces

899
00:40:09.239 --> 00:40:11.820
despite your constant complaining.

900
00:40:12.059 --> 00:40:15.059
The whole thing.

901
00:40:15.059 --> 00:40:18.780
Back and forth is not about anyone's emotions at all.

902
00:40:18.840 --> 00:40:20.820
It's entirely about business.

903
00:40:21.360 --> 00:40:23.219
Tell the right.

904
00:40:25.920 --> 00:40:32.219
This incredibly gentle and subtle camera moves. keep it still.

905
00:40:32.280 --> 00:40:33.960
No, that's so boring.

906
00:40:34.019 --> 00:40:37.019
It's not the 90s.

907
00:40:37.199 --> 00:40:39.119
Oh no, here we go.

908
00:40:39.179 --> 00:40:40.679
But I won't be able to come back.

909
00:40:40.739 --> 00:40:42.900
Are you trying to suggest to me?

910
00:40:42.960 --> 00:40:46.860
Are you trying to suggest to me, you know, we could have had gone

911
00:40:46.860 --> 00:40:51.599
on and had a series with all of Discovery Crew minus Michael

912
00:40:51.599 --> 00:40:52.199
Burnham?

913
00:40:52.260 --> 00:40:54.900
No, but that would be no good. talking.

914
00:40:54.900 --> 00:40:56.340
But it's an equal.

915
00:40:56.400 --> 00:40:57.000
She's beautiful.

916
00:40:57.059 --> 00:41:00.480
She's the most beautiful person ever in a Star Trek episode.

917
00:41:00.539 --> 00:41:07.139
Now watch the camera here as we land on the ship and we go over

918
00:41:07.139 --> 00:41:10.260
that little thing and now we're the right way up looking.

919
00:41:10.320 --> 00:41:11.579
Oh, look at the future, people.

920
00:41:11.639 --> 00:41:13.559
Yeah, they're people.

921
00:41:13.619 --> 00:41:14.639
They're people mad at him.

922
00:41:14.699 --> 00:41:16.199
I wasn't surprised.

923
00:41:16.260 --> 00:41:17.099
It was.

924
00:41:17.159 --> 00:41:18.480
They were rotor.

925
00:41:18.480 --> 00:41:19.139
She did it.

926
00:41:19.199 --> 00:41:19.800
They were.

927
00:41:19.860 --> 00:41:20.940
No, there were people walking along.

928
00:41:21.000 --> 00:41:22.139
That wasn't a CGI person.

929
00:41:22.559 --> 00:41:24.239
Good grief.

930
00:41:24.300 --> 00:41:26.699
That person looks artificial then.

931
00:41:26.760 --> 00:41:30.360
Yeah, it didn't, it wasn't all that great.

932
00:41:30.420 --> 00:41:32.340
But it looked pretty good.

933
00:41:32.400 --> 00:41:34.019
I mean, it was a good special effect shot.

934
00:41:34.079 --> 00:41:34.800
Hello.

935
00:41:34.860 --> 00:41:36.360
Let's go back and watch Enterprise.

936
00:41:36.420 --> 00:41:40.500
So again, she wasn't volunteering to go and never come back and it

937
00:41:40.500 --> 00:41:43.980
was only the discovery in that final that scene that we just had

938
00:41:43.980 --> 00:41:46.980
where everyone was talking around, these very gentle camera

939
00:41:46.980 --> 00:41:48.900
movements here on the bridge scene as well.

940
00:41:48.960 --> 00:41:50.340
Oh, still moving.

941
00:41:50.340 --> 00:41:51.659
To the left.

942
00:41:51.719 --> 00:41:52.980
To the right.

943
00:41:53.280 --> 00:41:57.059
And so now we know, of course, that she won't be able to come

944
00:41:57.059 --> 00:41:57.300
back.

945
00:41:57.360 --> 00:41:59.280
And the trust the mystery.

946
00:41:59.340 --> 00:41:59.699
I love that.

947
00:41:59.760 --> 00:42:01.139
Trust the mystery is so good.

948
00:42:01.199 --> 00:42:06.000
Watch them all looking at her longingly as she agrees to sacrifice

949
00:42:06.000 --> 00:42:06.780
herself.

950
00:42:06.840 --> 00:42:07.739
My god, what a woman.

951
00:42:07.800 --> 00:42:08.940
They're all thinking.

952
00:42:09.000 --> 00:42:10.260
Yeah, yeah.

953
00:42:10.320 --> 00:42:13.199
And again, like, I just kind of think everyone just get on board

954
00:42:13.199 --> 00:42:15.719
the Enterprise, Michael will be fine in the future.

955
00:42:15.780 --> 00:42:16.980
It's nice, you know.

956
00:42:16.980 --> 00:42:18.480
Where's Shaw Show?

957
00:42:18.539 --> 00:42:19.980
She should be there going, oh, God.

958
00:42:20.039 --> 00:42:24.119
I said, you just had Jet Reno call Ash Love Bug.

959
00:42:24.179 --> 00:42:25.980
Sorry, last bug.

960
00:42:26.039 --> 00:42:27.900
We don't have a spore drive right now.

961
00:42:27.960 --> 00:42:29.039
So that's pretty good.

962
00:42:29.099 --> 00:42:30.719
Oh, control's 10 minutes away.

963
00:42:30.780 --> 00:42:31.860
You know what, right?

964
00:42:31.920 --> 00:42:34.920
I know I was being facetious when I suggested a Michaelless

965
00:42:34.920 --> 00:42:39.000
discovery, but we could have had Jojo in charge and that would

966
00:42:39.000 --> 00:42:40.500
have been much better, much more fun.

967
00:42:40.559 --> 00:42:42.960
But yeah, yeah, yeah. is pretty great.

968
00:42:43.019 --> 00:42:44.099
And we could...

969
00:42:44.159 --> 00:42:46.920
Well, you very nearly had a series where she was in charge and we

970
00:42:46.920 --> 00:42:48.059
didn't get it, sadly.

971
00:42:48.179 --> 00:42:49.619
Is that not happening at all?

972
00:42:49.679 --> 00:42:50.880
No, no, no.

973
00:42:50.940 --> 00:42:53.039
She's too big for our stupid show.

974
00:42:53.099 --> 00:42:56.460
I mean, I haven't seen the weakest section 31 thing.

975
00:42:56.519 --> 00:42:56.760
Yeah.

976
00:42:56.820 --> 00:43:00.480
All I know is no matter how bad the Ryan might be.

977
00:43:00.539 --> 00:43:01.079
Shell be amazing.

978
00:43:01.199 --> 00:43:01.980
Yeah.

979
00:43:01.980 --> 00:43:04.739
Well, part of the problem is that she doesn't get to react against

980
00:43:04.739 --> 00:43:08.340
all the good people in it because everyone's kind of evil and so

981
00:43:08.340 --> 00:43:09.239
we do lose that.

982
00:43:10.139 --> 00:43:12.539
That's a little bit of a shame.

983
00:43:12.659 --> 00:43:15.900
You're not in the pack of evil here, I'm afraid.

984
00:43:15.960 --> 00:43:16.559
That's right.

985
00:43:16.619 --> 00:43:17.159
That's right.

986
00:43:17.219 --> 00:43:20.519
The reason why she stands out so much here is because she really

987
00:43:20.519 --> 00:43:22.440
does contrast to everybody else.

988
00:43:22.500 --> 00:43:25.920
Now can I say that we're 28 minutes in and we're yet to really

989
00:43:25.920 --> 00:43:31.260
have much of a conversation about our feelings about things?

990
00:43:31.320 --> 00:43:32.280
Oh, you're right.

991
00:43:32.340 --> 00:43:33.119
Yeah, yeah.

992
00:43:33.179 --> 00:43:35.340
See, there's much less... got 20 minutes to go, though.

993
00:43:35.400 --> 00:43:37.019
That's 20 minutes to come.

994
00:43:37.079 --> 00:43:39.300
We're already talking about how Tilly feels.

995
00:43:39.360 --> 00:43:44.579
So, you know, Poe is talking with Tilly about how she feels.

996
00:43:45.059 --> 00:43:47.460
I mean, about my believing.

997
00:43:47.519 --> 00:43:49.500
We just had the same between...

998
00:43:49.500 --> 00:43:50.820
I'm talking about self-sacrifice.

999
00:43:50.880 --> 00:43:53.400
No, no, we have the scene between stamach and culba.

1000
00:43:53.519 --> 00:43:56.579
The scene between Samus and Culver is basically the only one.

1001
00:43:56.639 --> 00:43:57.780
Yeah, that's at least 10 minutes.

1002
00:43:57.840 --> 00:43:59.280
That wasn't 10 minutes.

1003
00:43:59.340 --> 00:44:00.059
It was like three.

1004
00:44:00.480 --> 00:44:01.860
Okay.

1005
00:44:01.980 --> 00:44:03.300
I've really...

1006
00:44:03.300 --> 00:44:05.219
Maybe when it comes, it's so...

1007
00:44:05.219 --> 00:44:06.539
There is a vomit of it.

1008
00:44:07.019 --> 00:44:10.679
It is a big thing, but it's not there's not an hour of it or half

1009
00:44:10.679 --> 00:44:11.579
an hour of it.

1010
00:44:11.639 --> 00:44:12.900
There's a bit less.

1011
00:44:13.019 --> 00:44:15.119
Maybe it just feels like an hour.

1012
00:44:15.179 --> 00:44:17.039
I think that that might be what's happening.

1013
00:44:18.420 --> 00:44:22.260
There is one scene that I think is beautifully directed and very

1014
00:44:22.260 --> 00:44:25.199
well judged where they are all talking about their feelings that I

1015
00:44:25.199 --> 00:44:27.000
really like, and I'll point it out when it comes.

1016
00:44:27.239 --> 00:44:29.280
I think it's really good.

1017
00:44:29.340 --> 00:44:33.539
And it does a good job of doing what it has to do, which is to

1018
00:44:33.539 --> 00:44:36.539
make us all right with them leaving.

1019
00:44:36.599 --> 00:44:38.940
One of the things that I think is a shame.

1020
00:44:39.000 --> 00:44:42.420
And I don't know whether they were deliberately avoiding this

1021
00:44:42.420 --> 00:44:47.099
because no one talks about what the future's going to be like and

1022
00:44:47.099 --> 00:44:50.579
no one is excited about seeing what the future might be.

1023
00:44:50.639 --> 00:44:54.179
And if they've all signed up to be explorers and they have the

1024
00:44:54.179 --> 00:44:58.500
chance to go 950 years into the future, wouldn't you be excited?

1025
00:44:58.500 --> 00:45:01.980
Like, wouldn't you think I really am hanging out to see what

1026
00:45:01.980 --> 00:45:03.059
that's going to be like?

1027
00:45:03.119 --> 00:45:07.920
Um, and that never is anyone's motivation in this episode, which

1028
00:45:07.920 --> 00:45:09.179
is odd, I think.

1029
00:45:09.239 --> 00:45:13.079
I mean, I would be excited, but it would be counterbalanced by the

1030
00:45:13.079 --> 00:45:14.519
fact that I would never see anybody.

1031
00:45:14.579 --> 00:45:15.300
I love ever again.

1032
00:45:15.360 --> 00:45:18.960
Yeah, well, there's new people love. book is in the future. for

1033
00:45:18.960 --> 00:45:20.760
instance, for example.

1034
00:45:22.320 --> 00:45:24.360
I'll go off to the future.

1035
00:45:24.420 --> 00:45:27.000
I'll never talk to you again I mean, this would make me sad.

1036
00:45:27.059 --> 00:45:30.420
I'll you can send me a red...

1037
00:45:30.420 --> 00:45:31.139
Oh, wait.

1038
00:45:31.199 --> 00:45:32.280
I've just remembered.

1039
00:45:32.400 --> 00:45:33.539
You're going to live forever.

1040
00:45:33.599 --> 00:45:34.800
You'll still be there.

1041
00:45:34.860 --> 00:45:35.880
Yeah, I'll still be there.

1042
00:45:35.940 --> 00:45:36.179
Yeah.

1043
00:45:36.239 --> 00:45:37.019
That's all right.

1044
00:45:37.500 --> 00:45:39.360
Look at that shot.

1045
00:45:39.360 --> 00:45:43.019
I'll find out who you've replaced me with. over the last 900

1046
00:45:43.019 --> 00:45:43.380
years.

1047
00:45:43.619 --> 00:45:47.760
That's right All those Star Trek episodes.

1048
00:45:47.820 --> 00:45:48.179
Okay.

1049
00:45:48.239 --> 00:45:50.340
So here we go.

1050
00:45:50.400 --> 00:45:53.099
And this scene, I think is pretty terrible.

1051
00:45:53.579 --> 00:45:57.539
And like, I can see why they want to do it.

1052
00:45:57.599 --> 00:46:01.500
I can see why they want to do it, but Jesus Christ, the dialogue

1053
00:46:01.500 --> 00:46:02.460
is so terrible.

1054
00:46:02.820 --> 00:46:07.860
I mean, she does have a lovely smile, but fuck me if she gazes off

1055
00:46:07.860 --> 00:46:09.179
camera one more time.

1056
00:46:09.239 --> 00:46:11.460
She is one hell of a beautiful woman.

1057
00:46:11.519 --> 00:46:15.719
I think that I think that this guy.

1058
00:46:15.780 --> 00:46:20.519
So it's Michael Frayne, isn't it, who plays his English, I think.

1059
00:46:20.579 --> 00:46:26.519
Um, and he, James Frayne, James Frayne, and he plays Sarek, and I

1060
00:46:26.519 --> 00:46:29.940
think he's really good, like, and he's, you know, in this quite a

1061
00:46:29.940 --> 00:46:32.280
lot, and then you've got this woman as Amanda.

1062
00:46:32.340 --> 00:46:37.079
And I was kind of wondering why is she their daughter?

1063
00:46:37.260 --> 00:46:40.019
Like, why did they do that?

1064
00:46:40.199 --> 00:46:45.659
Why did they make her Spocks?

1065
00:46:45.719 --> 00:46:50.099
Because, automatically a link, a massive link to the original

1066
00:46:50.099 --> 00:46:50.519
series?

1067
00:46:50.579 --> 00:46:53.400
That's going to give all the Star Trek fans a massive hard on.

1068
00:46:53.460 --> 00:46:57.360
But I think it's also saying that this show is going to be

1069
00:46:57.360 --> 00:47:01.860
different, that we're coming from the same set of parents, but

1070
00:47:01.860 --> 00:47:06.179
we're a person that you've never heard of before.

1071
00:47:06.360 --> 00:47:13.019
And this is a black woman who you've never heard of before.

1072
00:47:13.079 --> 00:47:17.699
So we're telling a hidden story, a hidden version of the Star Trek

1073
00:47:17.699 --> 00:47:18.239
story.

1074
00:47:18.300 --> 00:47:21.420
And I think that that's very definitely what the agenda is in

1075
00:47:21.420 --> 00:47:24.119
series one and it's what people couldn't tolerate.

1076
00:47:24.179 --> 00:47:26.760
Like they couldn't, yeah, this, Jesus Christ.

1077
00:47:26.820 --> 00:47:29.400
It's pretty rough, isn't it?

1078
00:47:30.000 --> 00:47:34.800
It is the earnestness of how they talk about the shitty sci-fi, you

1079
00:47:34.800 --> 00:47:35.039
know.

1080
00:47:35.099 --> 00:47:39.659
The AI, the information can't be allowed to stay here, mother.

1081
00:47:39.840 --> 00:47:41.639
Oh, fuck off.

1082
00:47:41.699 --> 00:47:42.599
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1083
00:47:42.659 --> 00:47:43.380
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1084
00:47:43.440 --> 00:47:44.400
No, it's crazy.

1085
00:47:44.460 --> 00:47:45.900
This was strange new worlds.

1086
00:47:45.960 --> 00:47:49.079
They'd be going, the mother would come along and go, hang on a

1087
00:47:49.079 --> 00:47:49.320
minute.

1088
00:47:49.380 --> 00:47:52.980
You're going 900 years into the future to get rid of just to ditch

1089
00:47:52.980 --> 00:47:53.579
some data.

1090
00:47:53.639 --> 00:47:55.679
Yeah, look.

1091
00:47:55.739 --> 00:47:58.920
But again, I just think like I just want to watch Sanequa smile.

1092
00:47:58.980 --> 00:47:59.699
I don't care.

1093
00:47:59.760 --> 00:48:02.340
I can't hear how terrible this dialogue is over.

1094
00:48:02.400 --> 00:48:03.719
Snake was beautiful.

1095
00:48:03.780 --> 00:48:05.099
For my failures, Nathan.

1096
00:48:05.159 --> 00:48:08.340
I humbly ask both of you for forgiveness.

1097
00:48:08.400 --> 00:48:09.360
Yeah.

1098
00:48:09.360 --> 00:48:12.719
I think this is Sarah when, you know, when he had dementia when

1099
00:48:12.719 --> 00:48:13.440
he's got a bit crazy.

1100
00:48:13.500 --> 00:48:16.980
I think that this is the worst scene in the episode.

1101
00:48:17.039 --> 00:48:22.559
Um, and you can tell that they, they, they're aware they're

1102
00:48:22.559 --> 00:48:23.579
shoehorning it in.

1103
00:48:23.639 --> 00:48:27.179
Otherwise, we wouldn't have had that opening scene with Sarah and

1104
00:48:27.179 --> 00:48:29.099
Amanda back on Vulcan.

1105
00:48:29.159 --> 00:48:32.579
Um, you know, because no, remember, we should have known at this

1106
00:48:32.579 --> 00:48:33.900
point. get through to them.

1107
00:48:33.960 --> 00:48:36.239
No one from Starfleet knows where they are.

1108
00:48:36.300 --> 00:48:37.739
No one can get through to them.

1109
00:48:37.800 --> 00:48:40.500
Communications are down except for internship communications.

1110
00:48:40.559 --> 00:48:41.760
They're completely isolated.

1111
00:48:41.820 --> 00:48:45.300
They can't call for reinforcements, but Sarik can turn up.

1112
00:48:45.360 --> 00:48:46.559
You missed the line.

1113
00:48:46.619 --> 00:48:50.159
He said, we just happened to be passing and I noticed discovery

1114
00:48:50.159 --> 00:48:51.000
there in front of me.

1115
00:48:51.059 --> 00:48:53.579
I'll go and pop in and see a man.

1116
00:48:53.639 --> 00:48:54.539
It did see Michael.

1117
00:48:54.599 --> 00:48:57.000
No, no, he felt they felt it in their cartres.

1118
00:48:57.059 --> 00:48:57.780
Do you know what I mean?

1119
00:48:57.840 --> 00:48:59.639
It's just like, oh, come on.

1120
00:48:59.699 --> 00:49:00.480
Come on.

1121
00:49:00.599 --> 00:49:04.739
Every time I talk to you, I feel something in my cultures, you

1122
00:49:04.739 --> 00:49:04.980
know?

1123
00:49:05.039 --> 00:49:07.320
So that is kind of terrible.

1124
00:49:07.380 --> 00:49:13.679
So this is her, that's her mother, Gabrielle, who, um, we will see

1125
00:49:13.679 --> 00:49:18.179
next year. in an episode where it's basically not about their

1126
00:49:18.179 --> 00:49:21.960
relationship at all and everyone's calm down now.

1127
00:49:22.019 --> 00:49:23.039
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1128
00:49:23.099 --> 00:49:23.820
Well, yeah.

1129
00:49:23.880 --> 00:49:24.539
Yeah.

1130
00:49:24.599 --> 00:49:28.079
Although she is still gazing off camera longingly.

1131
00:49:28.380 --> 00:49:31.619
She does it brilliantly, but she does do it.

1132
00:49:31.679 --> 00:49:33.360
Well, they try they get her to do it all the time.

1133
00:49:33.420 --> 00:49:37.380
You know, that's exactly why they try and get it all the time. you

1134
00:49:37.380 --> 00:49:40.380
know, I mean, skip forward to series 3 episode one, you know, where

1135
00:49:40.380 --> 00:49:41.280
she was on the drugs.

1136
00:49:41.340 --> 00:49:44.579
She was much more fun then. you know, when she wasn't gay enough

1137
00:49:44.579 --> 00:49:45.480
to screen.

1138
00:49:45.539 --> 00:49:46.679
Just having fun.

1139
00:49:46.739 --> 00:49:48.480
I like this.

1140
00:49:48.539 --> 00:49:49.800
I really like this.

1141
00:49:49.860 --> 00:49:51.900
You announce that you're leaving forever.

1142
00:49:51.960 --> 00:49:55.679
I wasn't even here to sob and wail and throw myself at your feet

1143
00:49:55.679 --> 00:49:59.699
which again, you know, that's kind of making fun of the rest of

1144
00:49:59.699 --> 00:50:00.539
what's going on.

1145
00:50:00.599 --> 00:50:02.940
Uh, and it.

1146
00:50:03.000 --> 00:50:05.219
And it ends quite quickly.

1147
00:50:05.280 --> 00:50:06.239
Do you know what I mean?

1148
00:50:06.300 --> 00:50:10.139
Like it, it's not prolonged, and it's very tilly.

1149
00:50:10.139 --> 00:50:11.639
Oh, boy, here we go.

1150
00:50:11.760 --> 00:50:14.699
The ultimate self-sacrifice team.

1151
00:50:14.760 --> 00:50:17.099
We've decided we're all coming with you.

1152
00:50:17.340 --> 00:50:20.219
Because we love you.

1153
00:50:20.280 --> 00:50:22.739
No, I can't let you do this.

1154
00:50:22.800 --> 00:50:25.019
We're not asking permission.

1155
00:50:25.079 --> 00:50:26.579
This is impossible.

1156
00:50:26.639 --> 00:50:27.420
You have lives.

1157
00:50:27.780 --> 00:50:30.179
But it's ridiculous, isn't it?

1158
00:50:30.239 --> 00:50:33.960
That's the problem that because they need to keep the show going

1159
00:50:35.400 --> 00:50:38.039
you know, like, and because they can't have it be an accident.

1160
00:50:38.099 --> 00:50:39.300
It has to be deliberate.

1161
00:50:39.360 --> 00:50:42.420
They have to choose it and they have to know there's no going

1162
00:50:42.420 --> 00:50:42.840
back.

1163
00:50:42.900 --> 00:50:45.719
Otherwise, the premise of the show becomes something that they

1164
00:50:45.719 --> 00:50:46.739
don't want it to be.

1165
00:50:46.800 --> 00:50:48.300
It becomes Voyager.

1166
00:50:48.360 --> 00:50:50.400
Um, and they don't who wants that?

1167
00:50:50.460 --> 00:50:51.300
No one wants that.

1168
00:50:51.360 --> 00:50:52.440
And so...

1169
00:50:52.440 --> 00:50:53.280
Well, we quite love it.

1170
00:50:53.280 --> 00:50:55.199
Just spot goes, so, do you know what?

1171
00:50:55.260 --> 00:50:57.480
I'm not coming because I've got a series to get to.

1172
00:50:57.539 --> 00:50:59.159
But he doesn't if you'll forgive me.

1173
00:50:59.219 --> 00:51:00.719
But that's what's really good.

1174
00:51:00.780 --> 00:51:01.500
He doesn't.

1175
00:51:01.559 --> 00:51:05.280
Everyone watching this nose that Spock doesn't go to the future

1176
00:51:05.280 --> 00:51:06.239
with them already.

1177
00:51:06.300 --> 00:51:07.139
Okay?

1178
00:51:07.199 --> 00:51:11.159
But he's saying that he does here at this and he does for most of

1179
00:51:11.159 --> 00:51:13.440
the episode well into the 2nd episode.

1180
00:51:13.500 --> 00:51:15.480
He's still intending to go with them.

1181
00:51:15.480 --> 00:51:18.179
Couldn't just one person.

1182
00:51:18.239 --> 00:51:19.800
Just one.

1183
00:51:19.860 --> 00:51:21.000
Even just an extra.

1184
00:51:21.000 --> 00:51:22.500
Just go, you know what?

1185
00:51:22.559 --> 00:51:23.699
Eaps of people just didn't come.

1186
00:51:23.760 --> 00:51:24.480
Do you know what I mean?

1187
00:51:24.539 --> 00:51:24.960
Not everyone.

1188
00:51:25.019 --> 00:51:28.139
See, I mean, Lisa, this guy, what's his name?

1189
00:51:28.199 --> 00:51:28.679
Vodka?

1190
00:51:28.679 --> 00:51:29.099
Ash.

1191
00:51:29.219 --> 00:51:30.179
Ash?

1192
00:51:30.239 --> 00:51:30.900
Oh, whose fault?

1193
00:51:30.960 --> 00:51:32.219
No, he was Vog.

1194
00:51:32.280 --> 00:51:33.480
That was his Klingon.

1195
00:51:33.539 --> 00:51:34.860
That was when he was a Klingon.

1196
00:51:34.920 --> 00:51:35.519
He was fuck.

1197
00:51:35.579 --> 00:51:37.139
He's a lot prettier. now, isn't he?

1198
00:51:37.199 --> 00:51:38.099
He is a lot prettier.

1199
00:51:38.159 --> 00:51:42.000
Of course, now he's off to section 31, basically sacrificing his

1200
00:51:42.000 --> 00:51:42.300
life.

1201
00:51:42.360 --> 00:51:44.340
No, no, he's not sacrificing his life.

1202
00:51:44.400 --> 00:51:45.239
He got a nice job.

1203
00:51:45.300 --> 00:51:45.960
He's staying here.

1204
00:51:46.019 --> 00:51:48.900
He's, but these 2 were estranged.

1205
00:51:49.019 --> 00:51:50.280
Do you know what I mean?

1206
00:51:50.340 --> 00:51:52.739
sacrificing their relationship, though, or their potential

1207
00:51:52.739 --> 00:51:53.460
relationship?

1208
00:51:53.519 --> 00:51:55.260
Well, no, they're estranged.

1209
00:51:55.320 --> 00:51:57.000
They're not in a relationship at the moment.

1210
00:51:57.059 --> 00:52:00.300
Everything went wrong because he... they're behaving like they

1211
00:52:00.300 --> 00:52:00.480
are.

1212
00:52:00.599 --> 00:52:01.440
No, they're not.

1213
00:52:01.500 --> 00:52:02.400
They're just walking off.

1214
00:52:02.460 --> 00:52:05.219
But then... then we resolve it.

1215
00:52:05.639 --> 00:52:07.320
Oh, yes.

1216
00:52:07.380 --> 00:52:09.000
Kiss him, obviously.

1217
00:52:09.059 --> 00:52:11.159
Obviously, look at him.

1218
00:52:12.539 --> 00:52:16.739
Oh, Mortier, she's cried free 4 times now.

1219
00:52:16.860 --> 00:52:18.480
I know, but look who she's leaving behind.

1220
00:52:18.539 --> 00:52:20.219
And again, I think...

1221
00:52:20.280 --> 00:52:21.360
That's great.

1222
00:52:21.420 --> 00:52:22.559
I think that's great.

1223
00:52:22.619 --> 00:52:24.539
And it...

1224
00:52:24.539 --> 00:52:25.920
This scene is probably...

1225
00:52:25.980 --> 00:52:28.920
I love a bit of a legs flair on this show, don't they?

1226
00:52:28.980 --> 00:52:29.940
Yeah, yeah, yeah, they do.

1227
00:52:30.000 --> 00:52:30.599
Star Trek.

1228
00:52:30.659 --> 00:52:32.699
I tell you where there's more lens flair, though.

1229
00:52:32.760 --> 00:52:34.199
Strange New Worlds.

1230
00:52:34.559 --> 00:52:38.460
Strange world is all about the lens flare.

1231
00:52:39.000 --> 00:52:42.719
Okay, so this is the scene that I quite like.

1232
00:52:42.780 --> 00:52:44.639
So you've got Saru.

1233
00:52:44.699 --> 00:52:46.079
He's talking to his sister.

1234
00:52:46.139 --> 00:52:50.159
This message does get out and gets to her and she actually turns

1235
00:52:50.159 --> 00:52:51.900
up in the 2nd episode.

1236
00:52:51.960 --> 00:52:54.659
And so all he's doing is just leaving a message.

1237
00:52:54.719 --> 00:52:55.980
He doesn't think she's going to get it.

1238
00:52:56.039 --> 00:52:59.039
He doesn't actually tell her that he's going to the future.

1239
00:52:59.099 --> 00:53:01.139
He's saying we're in a battle we're about to die.

1240
00:53:01.199 --> 00:53:04.920
Now we get her talking to her parents.

1241
00:53:04.980 --> 00:53:10.139
But and this is a little bit overwrought, but like it's her.

1242
00:53:10.199 --> 00:53:12.179
It's Mary Wiseman and she's fantastic.

1243
00:53:12.239 --> 00:53:15.059
But then we get this thing where we just move over and it's like

1244
00:53:15.059 --> 00:53:16.079
oh, oh, is in the same room.

1245
00:53:16.139 --> 00:53:18.000
We don't get a cut to Oo.

1246
00:53:18.059 --> 00:53:21.239
We just, the camera just pans slowly across to OO, and there's

1247
00:53:21.239 --> 00:53:21.900
OO.

1248
00:53:21.960 --> 00:53:24.840
We know nothing about OO and we will never know anything about

1249
00:53:24.840 --> 00:53:25.139
her.

1250
00:53:25.199 --> 00:53:27.059
We don't find out anything.

1251
00:53:27.119 --> 00:53:31.139
She's absolutely a tertiary character. 3 series.

1252
00:53:31.199 --> 00:53:33.000
No, we don't, is Demma the same thing?

1253
00:53:33.179 --> 00:53:35.280
What a thankless role.

1254
00:53:35.340 --> 00:53:39.360
But no, I mean, they're essentially scenery with small parts, but

1255
00:53:39.360 --> 00:53:41.940
one of the things that that structure does.

1256
00:53:42.000 --> 00:53:43.139
Yeah.

1257
00:53:43.139 --> 00:53:43.800
Did you hear that?

1258
00:53:43.860 --> 00:53:45.900
Every test I failed.

1259
00:53:45.960 --> 00:53:50.219
She's getting her backstory in there. 28 times and you encouraged

1260
00:53:50.219 --> 00:53:51.000
me to keep going.

1261
00:53:51.119 --> 00:53:57.300
But then and then now we have Paul talking to someone, you know

1262
00:53:57.300 --> 00:54:00.420
and all of that is just like, just little things about them

1263
00:54:00.420 --> 00:54:01.800
leaving messages for someone.

1264
00:54:01.860 --> 00:54:05.760
They're all quite short, they're all about 30 seconds, and we get

1265
00:54:05.760 --> 00:54:08.760
a montage of them to give the impression that people are leaving

1266
00:54:08.760 --> 00:54:12.539
willingly, and that they're just saying they're good byers to

1267
00:54:12.539 --> 00:54:12.900
their family.

1268
00:54:12.960 --> 00:54:17.280
And they're getting biased that we don't know about them. hearing.

1269
00:54:17.340 --> 00:54:18.119
I like it.

1270
00:54:18.179 --> 00:54:18.840
I think it's good.

1271
00:54:18.900 --> 00:54:22.739
You know, if you've got no, you've got to sell this stupid

1272
00:54:22.739 --> 00:54:23.400
decision.

1273
00:54:23.460 --> 00:54:25.019
Like, I don't think you can buy it.

1274
00:54:25.079 --> 00:54:28.019
It doesn't make any sense, but I think they're giving it a good

1275
00:54:28.019 --> 00:54:33.960
college try to try and sell. themselves into a corner where none

1276
00:54:33.960 --> 00:54:36.960
of the characters make any sense anymore because of what they want

1277
00:54:36.960 --> 00:54:37.860
to do with the plot.

1278
00:54:37.860 --> 00:54:38.760
Yeah, with the series.

1279
00:54:38.880 --> 00:54:41.519
Because we want to keep this collection of characters together

1280
00:54:41.519 --> 00:54:45.360
when we go into the future and this is how we've decided to do

1281
00:54:45.360 --> 00:54:45.599
it.

1282
00:54:45.659 --> 00:54:49.559
We've decided to have them heroically go into the future to save

1283
00:54:49.559 --> 00:54:52.619
the present and that's how they leave us.

1284
00:54:52.679 --> 00:54:53.639
Do you know what I mean?

1285
00:54:53.699 --> 00:54:54.900
And then we never see them again.

1286
00:54:54.960 --> 00:54:56.519
And then we want to follow them.

1287
00:54:56.579 --> 00:54:57.059
Yeah.

1288
00:54:57.119 --> 00:55:02.519
Do you sum up your relationships with these people in 30 seconds

1289
00:55:02.519 --> 00:55:03.840
you know, in these letters?

1290
00:55:04.260 --> 00:55:07.019
Yeah, I do understand what you're saying.

1291
00:55:07.019 --> 00:55:10.500
Again, though, because it was a bit overwrought and the dialogue

1292
00:55:10.500 --> 00:55:11.639
was pushing a bit.

1293
00:55:11.699 --> 00:55:12.539
Yeah, yeah.

1294
00:55:12.539 --> 00:55:15.539
I was like, you're really...

1295
00:55:15.539 --> 00:55:16.980
You never know who Tezzy is.

1296
00:55:17.039 --> 00:55:18.960
We don't know who Paul is talking to.

1297
00:55:19.019 --> 00:55:21.780
We don't know anything about his relationship with his family.

1298
00:55:21.840 --> 00:55:25.619
We'll never find out because we'll never meet them. half enough

1299
00:55:25.619 --> 00:55:27.360
time, you know, to explore these people.

1300
00:55:27.420 --> 00:55:28.619
No, I don't want that.

1301
00:55:28.679 --> 00:55:29.880
I want them to do space shit.

1302
00:55:29.940 --> 00:55:31.139
I don't want to beat.

1303
00:55:31.199 --> 00:55:33.480
Like, I don't want next generation series.

1304
00:55:33.599 --> 00:55:35.280
You better look at your watch then.

1305
00:55:35.340 --> 00:55:37.800
You've got about 15 minutes before they're gonna do any

1306
00:55:37.800 --> 00:55:38.400
spaceship.

1307
00:55:38.460 --> 00:55:41.639
I don't think I do because we're 7 minutes from the end of the

1308
00:55:41.639 --> 00:55:41.940
episode.

1309
00:55:42.719 --> 00:55:44.099
Yeah.

1310
00:55:44.159 --> 00:55:45.119
Oh, hooray.

1311
00:55:45.179 --> 00:55:46.079
Okay.

1312
00:55:46.139 --> 00:55:49.260
So this is Anson Mount saying goodbye, which is exactly what we

1313
00:55:49.260 --> 00:55:50.280
would expect him to do.

1314
00:55:50.340 --> 00:55:54.900
He doesn't say goodbye quite the same way that Jason Isaac did

1315
00:55:54.900 --> 00:56:00.119
because of course he fell into a giant power station and exploded

1316
00:56:00.179 --> 00:56:03.000
which was pretty awesome.

1317
00:56:03.239 --> 00:56:05.159
I mean, I loved him.

1318
00:56:05.219 --> 00:56:08.159
I would have rather stuck around, but he is awesome.

1319
00:56:09.179 --> 00:56:13.500
So this one's the security woman who will be there for a little

1320
00:56:13.500 --> 00:56:16.440
while in series 3 before she actually leaves.

1321
00:56:16.500 --> 00:56:19.980
And then there's this weird moment where we kind of don't know

1322
00:56:19.980 --> 00:56:23.340
like he's not leaving anyone in charge.

1323
00:56:23.519 --> 00:56:25.679
If you cry, Em.

1324
00:56:25.980 --> 00:56:28.139
Hold it together, Michael.

1325
00:56:28.199 --> 00:56:29.219
Sure, just well up.

1326
00:56:29.280 --> 00:56:30.119
Yeah.

1327
00:56:30.119 --> 00:56:33.840
No, she cries so prettily and that's part of the problem, isn't

1328
00:56:33.840 --> 00:56:34.019
it?

1329
00:56:34.079 --> 00:56:36.840
Like, it's the 1st time that we've had anyone who could really do

1330
00:56:36.840 --> 00:56:38.579
that as a leader.

1331
00:56:38.579 --> 00:56:41.880
The issue we have with, so...

1332
00:56:41.940 --> 00:56:42.420
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1333
00:56:42.420 --> 00:56:43.500
Just crying every Friday.

1334
00:56:43.559 --> 00:56:44.699
I like that too though.

1335
00:56:45.539 --> 00:56:48.539
Whereas you know me, I'm a hard bitch.

1336
00:56:48.599 --> 00:56:50.460
I absolutely fell for this.

1337
00:56:50.519 --> 00:56:52.920
I was super moist watching this all the way through the other

1338
00:56:52.920 --> 00:56:53.159
day.

1339
00:56:53.219 --> 00:56:55.559
I think I started when you...

1340
00:56:55.619 --> 00:56:58.500
I think I started when Hugh and Paul were talking and then that

1341
00:56:58.500 --> 00:56:58.920
was it.

1342
00:56:58.980 --> 00:56:59.760
I was kind of gone.

1343
00:56:59.820 --> 00:57:03.780
I was completely sold by it.

1344
00:57:03.840 --> 00:57:09.719
So we kind of put Saru in charge, but it's not clear who the

1345
00:57:09.719 --> 00:57:10.679
captain's going to be.

1346
00:57:10.739 --> 00:57:13.019
It's deliberately left open.

1347
00:57:13.079 --> 00:57:16.860
We never find out who the captain will be. wonderful when he's in

1348
00:57:16.860 --> 00:57:17.099
charge.

1349
00:57:17.159 --> 00:57:18.360
Oh, Saru is a brilliant captain.

1350
00:57:18.420 --> 00:57:21.059
He should have really good. stayed the captain as far as I'm

1351
00:57:21.059 --> 00:57:21.300
concerned.

1352
00:57:21.360 --> 00:57:24.059
But I think eventually you've got the thing where you've got a

1353
00:57:24.059 --> 00:57:27.000
main character and eventually we want the main character to be the

1354
00:57:27.000 --> 00:57:30.599
captain, you know, like, and...

1355
00:57:30.659 --> 00:57:31.739
They kept that quiet.

1356
00:57:31.800 --> 00:57:33.179
No, she is.

1357
00:57:33.239 --> 00:57:34.440
Of course she's the main character.

1358
00:57:34.500 --> 00:57:37.260
And that's one of the differences.

1359
00:57:37.260 --> 00:57:40.139
But it is one of the differences between this show and the other

1360
00:57:40.139 --> 00:57:42.719
one is this show has a main character and the way that the other

1361
00:57:42.719 --> 00:57:43.559
ones don't.

1362
00:57:43.559 --> 00:57:46.380
This show was always going to be about Michael.

1363
00:57:46.440 --> 00:57:49.260
And then what ended up happening is that it went off in a

1364
00:57:49.260 --> 00:57:51.539
completely different direction from what they expected.

1365
00:57:51.599 --> 00:57:53.219
But that's a different thing.

1366
00:57:53.280 --> 00:57:56.699
And I remember all of the news stories reporting that in fact, the

1367
00:57:56.699 --> 00:57:59.340
main character was going to be the 2nd in command of the ship.

1368
00:57:59.400 --> 00:58:03.000
It wasn't going to be the captain at all, and then we found out, in

1369
00:58:03.000 --> 00:58:05.340
fact, it wasn't even going to be 2nd in command of the ship after

1370
00:58:05.340 --> 00:58:06.960
you know, episode one.

1371
00:58:07.019 --> 00:58:12.539
So, you know. bloody good job, you know, control waited 15 minutes

1372
00:58:12.539 --> 00:58:13.139
or so.

1373
00:58:13.199 --> 00:58:16.679
So everyone could stand around and say all their goodbyes and

1374
00:58:16.679 --> 00:58:18.179
roll.

1375
00:58:18.300 --> 00:58:19.079
There was a countdown.

1376
00:58:19.139 --> 00:58:20.280
They knew it was about to arrive.

1377
00:58:20.400 --> 00:58:24.360
So they stay, you know, control will be here in 10 minutes and

1378
00:58:24.360 --> 00:58:26.460
then Anson Mount gets to say goodbye to everyone.

1379
00:58:26.519 --> 00:58:30.119
I just remember messaging you, watching this episode, going, well

1380
00:58:30.119 --> 00:58:31.800
mate, just get on with it, for God's sake.

1381
00:58:31.860 --> 00:58:33.840
Well, they just fucking turn up.

1382
00:58:33.900 --> 00:58:34.860
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1383
00:58:34.920 --> 00:58:37.559
But they had to wait for Enterprise to arrive as well because

1384
00:58:37.559 --> 00:58:40.320
remember, Discovery came by Spore Drive and Enterprise came the

1385
00:58:40.320 --> 00:58:41.340
long way around.

1386
00:58:41.400 --> 00:58:43.980
This everyone will see visions of the future and their heads will

1387
00:58:43.980 --> 00:58:45.119
explode, I know.

1388
00:58:45.239 --> 00:58:48.719
And that's the theme, of course, of Star Trek Picard series one.

1389
00:58:48.780 --> 00:58:54.300
Um, which also has visions of an AI destroying everyone, uh, which

1390
00:58:54.300 --> 00:58:56.159
sends various Romulans, man.

1391
00:58:56.219 --> 00:58:57.239
This camera.

1392
00:58:57.300 --> 00:58:59.280
Will it stop spinning around like this?

1393
00:58:59.940 --> 00:59:01.800
This scene is so boring.

1394
00:59:01.860 --> 00:59:05.940
Like this scene is absolute...

1395
00:59:06.000 --> 00:59:08.639
I feel like I'm on a fairground ride, for God's sake.

1396
00:59:08.699 --> 00:59:09.539
That's great.

1397
00:59:09.599 --> 00:59:12.119
That's much more interesting Will you keep it still?

1398
00:59:12.179 --> 00:59:14.519
No, because that seems quite boring, otherwise.

1399
00:59:14.639 --> 00:59:16.559
Oh my god, he's going around again.

1400
00:59:17.039 --> 00:59:19.440
Yeah, that sucks.

1401
00:59:19.440 --> 00:59:20.820
I'm getting those to go.

1402
00:59:21.300 --> 00:59:23.820
You said that it was all like this.

1403
00:59:23.880 --> 00:59:26.460
This is the 1st one like this.

1404
00:59:26.519 --> 00:59:28.800
This is the 1st one like this.

1405
00:59:29.400 --> 00:59:31.440
Oh my god.

1406
00:59:31.500 --> 00:59:33.059
I still don't...

1407
00:59:33.119 --> 00:59:34.440
I mean, this was a great, I did love that.

1408
00:59:34.500 --> 00:59:36.420
I still hate you.

1409
00:59:36.480 --> 00:59:38.219
Yeah, the thing is mutual.

1410
00:59:38.340 --> 00:59:41.460
I mean, they did smooth out stammets quite a lot.

1411
00:59:41.519 --> 00:59:43.980
Yeah, he was really horrible in series one.

1412
00:59:44.099 --> 00:59:44.940
I loved him.

1413
00:59:45.000 --> 00:59:46.139
He was great.

1414
00:59:46.139 --> 00:59:46.920
He was great.

1415
00:59:46.980 --> 00:59:48.300
Yeah.

1416
00:59:48.360 --> 00:59:51.599
And so now we get to see the full thing, don't we?

1417
00:59:51.659 --> 00:59:52.440
No, we don't.

1418
00:59:52.500 --> 00:59:53.400
No, we don't.

1419
00:59:53.460 --> 00:59:54.119
We saw it already.

1420
00:59:54.179 --> 00:59:55.440
So we saw it already.

1421
00:59:55.500 --> 00:59:56.880
And then she...

1422
00:59:56.880 --> 00:59:57.780
We've only got 3 minutes.

1423
00:59:57.840 --> 00:59:59.519
There's no more time for emotion.

1424
00:59:59.579 --> 01:00:00.420
Bring on the ships.

1425
01:00:00.539 --> 01:00:03.900
Yeah, I can't even remember what the end is, actually.

1426
01:00:03.960 --> 01:00:04.679
Here we go.

1427
01:00:04.739 --> 01:00:07.500
Well, I think you saw this, not all of them, because there's more

1428
01:00:07.500 --> 01:00:08.760
work coming the 2nd episode.

1429
01:00:08.820 --> 01:00:09.840
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1430
01:00:09.900 --> 01:00:12.480
But it's enough to get, you know, get him a sweat going.

1431
01:00:12.539 --> 01:00:15.300
Oh yeah, look, we get a countdown on the screen.

1432
01:00:15.360 --> 01:00:18.420
That's the other thing about having the Enterprise have a big

1433
01:00:18.420 --> 01:00:19.019
window.

1434
01:00:19.079 --> 01:00:23.940
Like, we forget that that's one of the, uh, that's one of the

1435
01:00:23.940 --> 01:00:28.139
things invented by this version of Star Trek is that the bridge

1436
01:00:28.139 --> 01:00:32.760
has a big window at the front rather than a big telly and it's a

1437
01:00:32.760 --> 01:00:34.019
big improvement, I think.

1438
01:00:34.079 --> 01:00:38.099
Do you remember in 1st contact when the screen is off and it's

1439
01:00:38.099 --> 01:00:38.699
just a wall?

1440
01:00:38.760 --> 01:00:39.840
It's just a bulkhead.

1441
01:00:39.900 --> 01:00:41.699
They're all sitting facing a fucking bulkhead.

1442
01:00:42.480 --> 01:00:45.539
At least the camera was a bit more stately.

1443
01:00:45.599 --> 01:00:48.780
Well, much more stately.

1444
01:00:48.840 --> 01:00:52.139
Having a bit of a problem during podcasting lately, you know?

1445
01:00:52.199 --> 01:00:55.199
Because I'm finding women more and more attractive.

1446
01:00:55.260 --> 01:00:58.320
Michelle, yeah, Michelle, yeah, yeah.

1447
01:00:58.380 --> 01:00:59.579
She is.

1448
01:00:59.639 --> 01:01:00.659
But that was the same.

1449
01:01:00.659 --> 01:01:04.320
She's watching her ponytail swinging in her black gear and she

1450
01:01:04.320 --> 01:01:05.219
goes, oh, she looked great.

1451
01:01:05.280 --> 01:01:06.780
Yeah, it doesn't look amazing.

1452
01:01:06.840 --> 01:01:10.500
There are so many ships and it just never lets up for the whole

1453
01:01:10.500 --> 01:01:11.820
next hour, does it?

1454
01:01:11.880 --> 01:01:15.420
I ask you what that red person is on the bridge with the spiky

1455
01:01:15.420 --> 01:01:15.599
face.

1456
01:01:15.659 --> 01:01:17.340
I don't know, that's not a good look, is it?

1457
01:01:17.460 --> 01:01:18.599
But there you go.

1458
01:01:19.619 --> 01:01:21.300
There we go now.

1459
01:01:21.360 --> 01:01:25.619
At least they're staring longingly at a load of ship stars.

1460
01:01:25.679 --> 01:01:26.820
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1461
01:01:26.820 --> 01:01:28.559
But the window looks great, doesn't it?

1462
01:01:28.619 --> 01:01:29.940
Look at that enterprise.

1463
01:01:29.940 --> 01:01:32.880
I was getting, you know, the end of Favour of the Bold when all

1464
01:01:32.880 --> 01:01:35.039
the ships appear. getting that.

1465
01:01:35.099 --> 01:01:38.639
And of course, there is a very sacrifice of angels moment in part

1466
01:01:38.639 --> 01:01:38.940
two.

1467
01:01:39.059 --> 01:01:40.559
Yeah, but we'll get there.

1468
01:01:40.619 --> 01:01:41.219
Yeah.

1469
01:01:41.219 --> 01:01:41.940
Yeah.

1470
01:01:42.179 --> 01:01:43.559
Okay.

1471
01:01:43.619 --> 01:01:44.340
Oh, good.

1472
01:01:44.400 --> 01:01:44.760
Finally.

1473
01:01:44.880 --> 01:01:45.360
So action.

1474
01:01:45.420 --> 01:01:46.079
Let's go.

1475
01:01:46.139 --> 01:01:48.300
Oh, wait. episode's ending.

1476
01:01:48.360 --> 01:01:51.599
No, no, no, we're just getting Lucas at everyone.

1477
01:01:51.659 --> 01:01:54.000
We have to see everyone's face before the episode ends, then

1478
01:01:54.000 --> 01:01:55.440
Michael, obviously, and then we go.

1479
01:01:55.500 --> 01:01:56.639
So there you go.

1480
01:01:56.699 --> 01:02:00.300
That was about 7 minutes of people emoting to each other.

1481
01:02:00.360 --> 01:02:02.280
You're in...

1482
01:02:02.340 --> 01:02:05.400
That was about 20 minutes off.

1483
01:02:05.460 --> 01:02:06.480
Absolutely was not.

1484
01:02:06.539 --> 01:02:07.380
Jesus Christ.

1485
01:02:07.440 --> 01:02:08.460
What?

1486
01:02:08.460 --> 01:02:09.840
stopped at the halfway point.

1487
01:02:09.840 --> 01:02:12.059
The one scene where the camera was moving around.

1488
01:02:12.119 --> 01:02:16.619
We were 30 minutes in and the only scene where people were talking

1489
01:02:16.619 --> 01:02:19.739
about their feelings was Culber and Stammets, and that was a good

1490
01:02:19.739 --> 01:02:21.119
scene that wasn't about that.

1491
01:02:21.179 --> 01:02:22.800
No, I think.

1492
01:02:22.860 --> 01:02:25.619
People talking about their feelings when they were doing their

1493
01:02:25.619 --> 01:02:27.599
letters, people talking about their feelings.

1494
01:02:27.599 --> 01:02:30.539
Michael and her mum and dad.

1495
01:02:30.599 --> 01:02:33.840
Michael and her mum and dad admittedly was a truly terrible

1496
01:02:33.840 --> 01:02:34.320
scene.

1497
01:02:34.380 --> 01:02:35.579
That is true.

1498
01:02:35.639 --> 01:02:40.320
But this was much less bad than I remembered it being and then I

1499
01:02:40.320 --> 01:02:40.980
feared it was.

1500
01:02:41.159 --> 01:02:45.780
They sort of, about a 3rd in, have their plan ready to go.

1501
01:02:45.780 --> 01:02:49.920
And then at the end of the episode, they start moving.

1502
01:02:49.980 --> 01:02:53.940
Yeah, but in between those 2 points, nothing, there's a lot of

1503
01:02:53.940 --> 01:02:59.579
stuff happening emotionally and there's also Dubai and setting up

1504
01:02:59.579 --> 01:03:01.800
but plot wise, nothing is happening at all.

1505
01:03:01.920 --> 01:03:05.099
That's okay, because I think there's more to things than plot.

1506
01:03:05.159 --> 01:03:08.699
And in an episode like this, which is about getting us from A to B

1507
01:03:08.699 --> 01:03:10.920
because we've decided that we have to do this.

1508
01:03:10.980 --> 01:03:13.260
And because it's our 2nd last episode.

1509
01:03:13.320 --> 01:03:16.860
So we're putting all the pieces into place and then we have

1510
01:03:16.860 --> 01:03:20.760
everyone arrive for the finale at the end of episode one and

1511
01:03:20.760 --> 01:03:21.960
that's pretty standard.

1512
01:03:22.019 --> 01:03:23.940
Like, I don't think that's a huge failure.

1513
01:03:24.000 --> 01:03:25.619
That's the sort of thing that happens all the time.

1514
01:03:25.679 --> 01:03:30.480
I think the other issue as well, is a series of issues I clearly

1515
01:03:30.480 --> 01:03:36.300
have of all of this, is that I think arc plots, arc place season

1516
01:03:36.300 --> 01:03:37.679
plots now that we do.

1517
01:03:37.739 --> 01:03:43.739
Yeah. can be a bit of a problem because if you're not invested, if

1518
01:03:43.739 --> 01:03:46.559
you're, well, that, there is that because I was constantly playing

1519
01:03:46.559 --> 01:03:49.800
catch up in this, even though there was hints of bobs and

1520
01:03:49.800 --> 01:03:52.619
flashbacks and all sorts going on, I was like, where the fuck am

1521
01:03:52.619 --> 01:03:52.860
I?

1522
01:03:52.920 --> 01:03:56.340
You know, like, um, no, the other problem is, is I don't like this

1523
01:03:56.340 --> 01:03:57.420
plot this year.

1524
01:03:57.480 --> 01:03:59.519
I don't think it's particularly interesting.

1525
01:03:59.579 --> 01:04:03.420
I don't care about evil AIs and time crystals and suits are

1526
01:04:03.420 --> 01:04:06.420
popping and out of the future and mothers and all this bullshit

1527
01:04:06.420 --> 01:04:07.019
that's happening.

1528
01:04:07.079 --> 01:04:09.900
And so that's kind of a year of trek.

1529
01:04:09.960 --> 01:04:11.579
I'm not invested in.

1530
01:04:11.639 --> 01:04:16.500
And I know that's that's a risk you take. like by having a season

1531
01:04:15.900 --> 01:04:16.980
long arc.

1532
01:04:17.039 --> 01:04:20.519
But this one does have individual episodes that do things.

1533
01:04:20.579 --> 01:04:23.340
And part of the problem, I think, on untitled Star Trek project is

1534
01:04:23.340 --> 01:04:28.139
that we checked in on the dullest episode of series one and then

1535
01:04:28.139 --> 01:04:30.300
the dullest episode of series two.

1536
01:04:30.360 --> 01:04:31.380
In memory serves.

1537
01:04:31.500 --> 01:04:33.360
Yeah, if memory serves it was.

1538
01:04:33.420 --> 01:04:33.840
Yeah.

1539
01:04:34.260 --> 01:04:36.360
Yeah, it was dull.

1540
01:04:36.420 --> 01:04:39.179
And it wasn't about anything sort of particularly interesting, but

1541
01:04:39.179 --> 01:04:40.739
there are individual episodes.

1542
01:04:40.739 --> 01:04:45.059
And, you know, we will revisit some of them in the next episode

1543
01:04:45.059 --> 01:04:49.380
because of course, Michael has to go back in time to an earlier

1544
01:04:49.380 --> 01:04:52.800
part of the season to make all of the things happen.

1545
01:04:53.099 --> 01:04:58.679
Like, I guess this is thin in that the plot is explicitly about

1546
01:04:58.679 --> 01:04:59.820
plot mechanics.

1547
01:04:59.880 --> 01:05:03.539
So it's about a message telling them to come to the future, which

1548
01:05:03.539 --> 01:05:07.800
is sent to them in episode 14, which they keep receiving

1549
01:05:07.800 --> 01:05:09.900
throughout the season.

1550
01:05:09.960 --> 01:05:14.579
And the big mystery of the season is what are these red things, and

1551
01:05:14.579 --> 01:05:17.940
it turns out they're all things saying, make sure you go to the

1552
01:05:17.940 --> 01:05:19.440
future in episode 14.

1553
01:05:19.739 --> 01:05:23.820
And so the whole thing, the whole season is about that.

1554
01:05:23.880 --> 01:05:27.300
And whereas season one is about the Klingon war.

1555
01:05:27.360 --> 01:05:30.420
Season 3 is about the burn and arriving in the future.

1556
01:05:30.480 --> 01:05:36.539
Season 4 is about the 10 C, and season 5 is a fun sort of escapade

1557
01:05:36.539 --> 01:05:40.320
about finding the thing that that lady from the chase left

1558
01:05:40.320 --> 01:05:40.800
behind.

1559
01:05:40.860 --> 01:05:44.579
So they all have sort of strong kind of science fiction, fun

1560
01:05:44.579 --> 01:05:45.719
science fiction ideas.

1561
01:05:45.780 --> 01:05:48.659
This is on the other seasons.

1562
01:05:48.659 --> 01:05:49.679
Oh, Besser, aren't they?

1563
01:05:49.739 --> 01:05:50.099
I think.

1564
01:05:50.159 --> 01:05:52.619
The hook for one, the Klingon war, that's interesting.

1565
01:05:52.739 --> 01:05:54.900
I'm just setting up the show is interesting.

1566
01:05:54.960 --> 01:05:55.739
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1567
01:05:55.800 --> 01:05:57.059
Three, the burn.

1568
01:05:57.119 --> 01:06:00.539
I hated the ending of that, that girl screaming or whatever that

1569
01:06:00.539 --> 01:06:01.139
was.

1570
01:06:01.199 --> 01:06:03.420
It was a little, what's his face?

1571
01:06:03.480 --> 01:06:04.260
can't even remember.

1572
01:06:04.320 --> 01:06:05.460
Terrible.

1573
01:06:05.519 --> 01:06:07.739
But it's a big exciting idea, right?

1574
01:06:07.800 --> 01:06:12.599
All of those ships blew up and left the Federation decimated and

1575
01:06:12.599 --> 01:06:13.380
just scraps.

1576
01:06:13.440 --> 01:06:14.280
Interesting.

1577
01:06:14.519 --> 01:06:17.099
And then 3 planets are being destroyed.

1578
01:06:17.159 --> 01:06:19.199
I mean, come on, it's it's epic.

1579
01:06:19.260 --> 01:06:24.239
There's a big, sorry, four. a big scary thing that we can't

1580
01:06:24.239 --> 01:06:28.199
understand. coming for us really. really interesting 5 I've not

1581
01:06:28.199 --> 01:06:28.500
done.

1582
01:06:28.559 --> 01:06:33.900
In comparison, this is, I suppose the hook is less the Red Angel

1583
01:06:33.900 --> 01:06:35.340
which is just dull.

1584
01:06:35.400 --> 01:06:40.139
It's more bringing in the original series of Enterprise and all of

1585
01:06:40.139 --> 01:06:42.960
that, which is pretty good and he's pretty successful. yeah.

1586
01:06:43.019 --> 01:06:46.380
It's successful enough to spawn off a spinoff show.

1587
01:06:46.440 --> 01:06:49.199
I have to say that I do think that a Red Angel is something that

1588
01:06:49.199 --> 01:06:52.079
we've never seen in Star Trek before and that it does give you

1589
01:06:52.079 --> 01:06:54.599
some pretty incredible imagery and I think that that's not

1590
01:06:54.599 --> 01:06:59.760
negligible, but because essentially this is all about setting up

1591
01:06:59.760 --> 01:07:04.139
the move to the future, right, starting from episode one, it's a

1592
01:07:04.139 --> 01:07:04.559
problem.

1593
01:07:04.619 --> 01:07:09.000
It's a season that's really only about oops, we got it wrong.

1594
01:07:09.059 --> 01:07:12.119
Let's retool the show for 14 episodes.

1595
01:07:12.179 --> 01:07:16.559
But I'd also say that I think Discovery always gives you

1596
01:07:16.559 --> 01:07:17.579
incredible imagery.

1597
01:07:17.639 --> 01:07:21.599
So what's really important is less the production, because it's

1598
01:07:21.599 --> 01:07:24.420
always good is it's the words.

1599
01:07:24.480 --> 01:07:28.500
And I don't know if the words are here in this season.

1600
01:07:28.559 --> 01:07:35.639
I don't I don't think they pull together a year that holds up down

1601
01:07:35.639 --> 01:07:36.059
the line.

1602
01:07:36.119 --> 01:07:39.780
Watching this this time did make me want to watch the series 2

1603
01:07:39.780 --> 01:07:45.059
again, because like I said, a lot of it I've only watched once and

1604
01:07:45.059 --> 01:07:48.300
I would like to see how it fits together in retrospect.

1605
01:07:48.360 --> 01:07:49.679
I certainly remember at the time.

1606
01:07:49.739 --> 01:07:52.800
I remember wondering where we were, you know, whether we were

1607
01:07:52.800 --> 01:07:54.840
going to see Spock, all of that sort of thing.

1608
01:07:54.900 --> 01:07:57.900
I'm interested to see how it fits together because you've got the

1609
01:07:57.900 --> 01:08:01.199
sphere, you've got Terelesium, the people on Terelesium.

1610
01:08:01.260 --> 01:08:04.139
You've got all of these things happening that you can't see

1611
01:08:04.139 --> 01:08:08.159
fitting together, you're wondering where, where Spock is and

1612
01:08:08.159 --> 01:08:09.659
what's happened with him.

1613
01:08:09.719 --> 01:08:13.139
All of that stuff, I think, was a pretty solid hawk, and then you

1614
01:08:13.139 --> 01:08:17.340
have like meeting Rebecca Romain's character for the 1st time.

1615
01:08:17.399 --> 01:08:19.800
All of that stuff was pretty good.

1616
01:08:19.859 --> 01:08:23.340
So I'm keen to see what it's like, but it is my least favourite

1617
01:08:23.340 --> 01:08:26.819
season of discovery, and I'm pretty sure I know why now.

1618
01:08:27.300 --> 01:08:31.199
It's so interesting that one has gone up so much in my

1619
01:08:31.199 --> 01:08:31.859
estimation.

1620
01:08:31.920 --> 01:08:32.760
It's really...

1621
01:08:32.760 --> 01:08:35.760
Now I've explored the latest stuff. yeah I look forward to looking

1622
01:08:35.760 --> 01:08:36.539
at that more.

1623
01:08:36.600 --> 01:08:39.539
I mean, I suppose I'll out the 1st half of this.

1624
01:08:39.600 --> 01:08:44.399
The 1st episode by saying, uh, let's remember as well that I am

1625
01:08:44.399 --> 01:08:48.539
English and we are all a bit awkward with emotion and being honest

1626
01:08:48.539 --> 01:08:49.619
about how we feel.

1627
01:08:49.680 --> 01:08:53.220
And so maybe the problem is me and not the episode.

1628
01:08:53.279 --> 01:08:55.199
Very American, isn't it?

1629
01:08:56.100 --> 01:08:57.479
Alright.

1630
01:08:57.539 --> 01:08:59.640
I love you, Nathan.

1631
01:09:02.159 --> 01:09:06.119
I'm just going to stare off camera crying, okay?

1632
01:09:06.180 --> 01:09:10.020
literally what I did for 50 minutes watching this the other day.

1633
01:09:13.859 --> 01:09:17.460
All right, so I will count us in.

1634
01:09:18.420 --> 01:09:24.180
Five, four, three, two, one, and we're off.

1635
01:09:24.720 --> 01:09:26.819
Bring on the action.

1636
01:09:26.880 --> 01:09:30.779
We have our previously, but all of this stuff seems to be from

1637
01:09:30.779 --> 01:09:32.520
last week.

1638
01:09:35.579 --> 01:09:37.979
So I think we've just seen all of this.

1639
01:09:38.039 --> 01:09:38.819
We know all of this.

1640
01:09:38.880 --> 01:09:39.720
What's kind of good.

1641
01:09:39.779 --> 01:09:41.340
It's all action at least.

1642
01:09:41.399 --> 01:09:43.319
There's a bit less gloopy stuff, isn't there?

1643
01:09:43.380 --> 01:09:45.479
We're just kind of...

1644
01:09:45.539 --> 01:09:46.380
Just watch this.

1645
01:09:46.439 --> 01:09:48.479
Yeah, just watch this episode.

1646
01:09:48.539 --> 01:09:49.619
It's all the plot points.

1647
01:09:49.680 --> 01:09:50.399
Yep, yep.

1648
01:09:50.460 --> 01:09:53.520
Discovery has to go to the future.

1649
01:09:54.659 --> 01:09:56.399
That shot.

1650
01:09:56.460 --> 01:09:59.699
I don't remember that shot, but we do get the, so it turns out

1651
01:09:59.699 --> 01:10:03.060
that the Section 31 built the angel thing.

1652
01:10:03.119 --> 01:10:04.380
Oh, there you go.

1653
01:10:04.439 --> 01:10:07.979
Look, we're having Hugh and Paul talking about their relationship

1654
01:10:07.979 --> 01:10:08.939
briefly.

1655
01:10:09.000 --> 01:10:11.699
Hero show at the Enterprise.

1656
01:10:11.760 --> 01:10:12.060
Yeah.

1657
01:10:12.060 --> 01:10:14.039
It's all unique, really.

1658
01:10:14.100 --> 01:10:15.779
Just watch the last episode.

1659
01:10:15.840 --> 01:10:18.779
Although you miss all of that stuff with Poe, who was pretty

1660
01:10:18.779 --> 01:10:18.960
cute.

1661
01:10:19.079 --> 01:10:21.239
You're a lovely short going through the transporter beam.

1662
01:10:21.300 --> 01:10:22.680
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1663
01:10:22.739 --> 01:10:24.600
Having fun, bringing in the farm.

1664
01:10:24.600 --> 01:10:25.619
Queen of Syria.

1665
01:10:25.680 --> 01:10:26.760
Oh, my God.

1666
01:10:26.819 --> 01:10:27.539
Oh, the best.

1667
01:10:27.600 --> 01:10:29.399
All we need is a line from Shawshow now.

1668
01:10:29.399 --> 01:10:30.600
It is perfect.

1669
01:10:30.659 --> 01:10:32.579
No, she's just there with her arms crossed.

1670
01:10:34.979 --> 01:10:39.659
So can I ask you why you were so cross about, you know, you said

1671
01:10:39.659 --> 01:10:41.760
you were scared that they were going to pop into the future.

1672
01:10:41.760 --> 01:10:47.640
Well, precisely that reason, I really liked the idea that we were

1673
01:10:47.640 --> 01:10:54.899
recreating original track, but for a new century, and that we were

1674
01:10:54.899 --> 01:10:59.640
butting up against the kind of continuity that we'd had before

1675
01:10:59.640 --> 01:11:04.140
that there was sort of friction created between the continuity of

1676
01:11:04.140 --> 01:11:04.380
this.

1677
01:11:04.439 --> 01:11:06.659
And I thought that series one was really great.

1678
01:11:06.720 --> 01:11:11.579
I thought it was really good and I just thought this is, they're

1679
01:11:11.579 --> 01:11:15.000
doing this because people got crossed that they might have to

1680
01:11:15.000 --> 01:11:16.739
rewrite some Wikipedia pages.

1681
01:11:16.800 --> 01:11:18.840
Was that the general reaction then?

1682
01:11:18.899 --> 01:11:20.279
The people were crossed.

1683
01:11:20.399 --> 01:11:20.939
I think so, yeah.

1684
01:11:21.000 --> 01:11:22.439
Technology seemed to exist.

1685
01:11:22.500 --> 01:11:25.199
Yeah, all of that stupid stuff.

1686
01:11:25.260 --> 01:11:27.840
No, no, no, I get that, but what's that the reaction?

1687
01:11:27.899 --> 01:11:29.699
Yeah, that's why they made the call.

1688
01:11:29.819 --> 01:11:33.359
And remember that even now, I don't think that you have those

1689
01:11:33.359 --> 01:11:34.319
holograms.

1690
01:11:34.380 --> 01:11:37.739
You know, there's dialogue here about how the Enterprise won't

1691
01:11:37.739 --> 01:11:40.859
have holograms on it anymore.

1692
01:11:40.920 --> 01:11:43.920
You know how that was one of the features where people would just

1693
01:11:43.920 --> 01:11:46.739
turn up on the bridge and they'd be holograms and people would go

1694
01:11:46.739 --> 01:11:48.659
well, we didn't have that in original Star Trek.

1695
01:11:48.720 --> 01:11:49.619
How can that be possible?

1696
01:11:49.680 --> 01:11:52.380
And you just kind of think, come on, don't be so silly.

1697
01:11:52.439 --> 01:11:53.760
You don't need an...

1698
01:11:53.760 --> 01:11:55.859
Let's just make this explanation.

1699
01:11:55.920 --> 01:11:56.760
Yeah that's right.

1700
01:11:56.819 --> 01:11:58.020
To copy...

1701
01:11:58.079 --> 01:11:58.920
Yeah, exactly right.

1702
01:11:58.979 --> 01:12:01.140
It was just absurd.

1703
01:12:01.199 --> 01:12:04.199
Oh my god, look at all their spaceship shooting about.

1704
01:12:04.260 --> 01:12:07.920
We're literally the POV of one of these spaceships sort of flying

1705
01:12:07.920 --> 01:12:08.340
information.

1706
01:12:08.399 --> 01:12:10.260
It really good, isn't it?

1707
01:12:10.319 --> 01:12:14.340
And, you know, like, um, this is something that we've never been

1708
01:12:14.340 --> 01:12:16.500
able to do in Star Trek before, but obviously we can.

1709
01:12:16.500 --> 01:12:18.420
And it's really great.

1710
01:12:18.420 --> 01:12:21.600
And that's kind of what Star Trek is...

1711
01:12:21.600 --> 01:12:26.340
I mean, the money on the screen here. between those exterior

1712
01:12:26.340 --> 01:12:29.100
special effects and the interior sets.

1713
01:12:29.159 --> 01:12:31.079
It's astonishing.

1714
01:12:31.140 --> 01:12:32.460
It really great, isn't it?

1715
01:12:32.520 --> 01:12:37.140
Now, I don't mind the camera being quite...

1716
01:12:37.140 --> 01:12:39.899
Now we're in a big action sequence that we're following.

1717
01:12:39.960 --> 01:12:40.500
Absolutely.

1718
01:12:40.560 --> 01:12:41.880
It makes everything seem like...

1719
01:12:41.880 --> 01:12:44.699
And they're doing that wonderful thing that Discovery does really

1720
01:12:44.699 --> 01:12:46.979
well of suggesting the chaos and the panic.

1721
01:12:46.979 --> 01:12:47.760
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1722
01:12:47.760 --> 01:12:50.760
As lots of people walk through the room doing their various

1723
01:12:50.760 --> 01:12:51.119
people.

1724
01:12:51.180 --> 01:12:52.380
Do you know what I mean?

1725
01:12:52.439 --> 01:12:54.659
Like people come in, they say they're lines, the camera follows

1726
01:12:54.659 --> 01:12:56.520
them, but we're not cutting between those scenes.

1727
01:12:56.579 --> 01:12:57.600
We're just following them.

1728
01:12:57.659 --> 01:13:00.239
And also the 3D interthing is pretty great.

1729
01:13:00.300 --> 01:13:04.140
Yeah, but I was getting massive lawmower man vibes.

1730
01:13:04.140 --> 01:13:06.479
Yeah, the space suit with the lasers on.

1731
01:13:06.539 --> 01:13:09.899
Yeah, no, but that's 3D printing. printing looks like.

1732
01:13:09.960 --> 01:13:11.520
That's how the 3D printer.

1733
01:13:11.640 --> 01:13:14.880
Remember, they have the thing on Protestar that 3D prints the

1734
01:13:14.880 --> 01:13:15.239
shuttles.

1735
01:13:15.300 --> 01:13:15.840
This is great.

1736
01:13:15.960 --> 01:13:18.600
Split screen, you get...

1737
01:13:18.659 --> 01:13:20.220
Number one and debt.

1738
01:13:20.220 --> 01:13:21.119
Yeah, split screw.

1739
01:13:21.180 --> 01:13:22.020
Yeah, it's really good.

1740
01:13:22.020 --> 01:13:23.039
That's wonderful.

1741
01:13:23.100 --> 01:13:25.319
Well, see, I'm enjoying myself more already.

1742
01:13:25.380 --> 01:13:26.279
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1743
01:13:26.279 --> 01:13:28.380
Now all that mush is over and done with.

1744
01:13:28.439 --> 01:13:30.779
Reno's doing the time crystal.

1745
01:13:31.140 --> 01:13:33.119
Can you cut that in half?

1746
01:13:33.180 --> 01:13:34.500
violate the laws of physics?

1747
01:13:34.560 --> 01:13:34.739
No.

1748
01:13:34.800 --> 01:13:35.699
Oh, finally.

1749
01:13:35.760 --> 01:13:38.579
That pretty Asian man got a close-up.

1750
01:13:39.180 --> 01:13:40.979
Yeah, so pretty, isn't he?

1751
01:13:41.100 --> 01:13:42.899
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1752
01:13:43.020 --> 01:13:46.439
Oh, cut cut to your show looking very unimpressed, but also

1753
01:13:46.439 --> 01:13:48.180
thinking he's quite hot as well.

1754
01:13:48.239 --> 01:13:48.960
And what about this?

1755
01:13:48.960 --> 01:13:49.800
She does a lot with a look.

1756
01:13:49.859 --> 01:13:52.739
Communications guy Bryce behind his panel as well.

1757
01:13:52.800 --> 01:13:53.819
He's pretty handsome too.

1758
01:13:53.939 --> 01:13:59.579
Like, the ship is lousy. would fancy the spiky red one as well.

1759
01:13:59.640 --> 01:14:01.079
Well, maybe. strange people.

1760
01:14:01.140 --> 01:14:02.819
Saru, what about Saru?

1761
01:14:05.279 --> 01:14:11.220
No, I like the sort of zombie Borg queen lady.

1762
01:14:11.279 --> 01:14:12.899
Oh, yeah.

1763
01:14:12.960 --> 01:14:14.819
You and your weird kinks.

1764
01:14:14.880 --> 01:14:18.479
And I'm look, I'm getting moist over your show.

1765
01:14:18.539 --> 01:14:20.279
I mean what's happening around here these days?

1766
01:14:20.340 --> 01:14:22.560
Yeah, but you know, she's pretty great.

1767
01:14:22.619 --> 01:14:25.380
Later on, right, when she's kicking the shit out of control.

1768
01:14:25.439 --> 01:14:26.880
It's wonderful, isn't it?

1769
01:14:26.880 --> 01:14:28.319
hottest thing I've ever seen in my life.

1770
01:14:28.380 --> 01:14:30.840
Then the gravity goes off, right?

1771
01:14:30.899 --> 01:14:33.000
And then there's rocks flying about the place.

1772
01:14:33.060 --> 01:14:35.039
I mean, I was in heaven.

1773
01:14:35.159 --> 01:14:37.979
Everything that you can want from Star Trek, another reaction shot

1774
01:14:37.979 --> 01:14:40.739
there from race for you.

1775
01:14:40.800 --> 01:14:41.699
Perfect.

1776
01:14:41.760 --> 01:14:44.579
Oh, this was great as well.

1777
01:14:44.640 --> 01:14:47.520
Him going, it's not even being.

1778
01:14:47.520 --> 01:14:49.800
Do not buy into this brain, isn't he?

1779
01:14:49.859 --> 01:14:50.460
He's really good.

1780
01:14:50.520 --> 01:14:51.600
He's really good.

1781
01:14:51.659 --> 01:14:53.220
There he is.

1782
01:14:53.279 --> 01:14:54.119
Leyland.

1783
01:14:54.119 --> 01:14:55.020
How do I know that name?

1784
01:14:55.020 --> 01:14:55.739
Leyland.

1785
01:14:55.800 --> 01:14:57.600
Oh, he's a character in Twin Peaks.

1786
01:14:57.659 --> 01:14:58.020
That's why.

1787
01:14:58.079 --> 01:14:58.500
Oh, okay.

1788
01:14:58.560 --> 01:14:59.279
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1789
01:14:59.340 --> 01:15:00.600
Everybody hates you.

1790
01:15:00.720 --> 01:15:04.979
It's on short, she says, well done. everyone hates you.

1791
01:15:05.100 --> 01:15:06.659
Congratulations.

1792
01:15:06.779 --> 01:15:08.579
Everyone here hates you.

1793
01:15:08.640 --> 01:15:09.420
Yeah.

1794
01:15:10.560 --> 01:15:12.060
Yeah.

1795
01:15:12.119 --> 01:15:15.539
Because what I've achieved in episode one, buddy.

1796
01:15:15.720 --> 01:15:18.479
Well done, Joe. everyone hates you.

1797
01:15:18.539 --> 01:15:20.760
He's great, isn't he?

1798
01:15:20.819 --> 01:15:21.779
He looks very scary.

1799
01:15:21.840 --> 01:15:23.880
And so this is great too.

1800
01:15:24.000 --> 01:15:30.180
And we saw this in episode one where we had those corridors out.

1801
01:15:30.239 --> 01:15:31.859
The yeah, this.

1802
01:15:31.920 --> 01:15:33.239
So this is...

1803
01:15:33.239 --> 01:15:34.079
Look at those ships.

1804
01:15:34.140 --> 01:15:37.859
This is where the show goes going forward, isn't it?

1805
01:15:37.979 --> 01:15:42.899
The show has ships that detach bits off themselves or ships that

1806
01:15:42.899 --> 01:15:45.840
are a bundle of bits that just sort of travel with one another.

1807
01:15:45.899 --> 01:15:47.159
We do that to discovery.

1808
01:15:47.220 --> 01:15:49.800
It's nacelles get detached and stuff.

1809
01:15:49.859 --> 01:15:53.640
And in the last episode where we had those things folding out of

1810
01:15:53.640 --> 01:15:57.659
the ship and creating like corridors between the 2 ships that were

1811
01:15:57.659 --> 01:15:58.560
docked together.

1812
01:15:58.619 --> 01:16:00.359
Like all of that, here we go.

1813
01:16:00.420 --> 01:16:02.399
We just had the 2 here's my theory.

1814
01:16:02.460 --> 01:16:06.659
We just had a shot of the battle set of the battle field

1815
01:16:06.659 --> 01:16:10.260
essentially, the 2 ships, and then the ships surrounding them, and

1816
01:16:10.260 --> 01:16:11.220
we saw where we were.

1817
01:16:11.279 --> 01:16:12.539
Then we went into the credits.

1818
01:16:12.600 --> 01:16:16.319
Like from above, like you had in the old Star Trek game, you know

1819
01:16:16.319 --> 01:16:18.300
so you can see the whole playing field.

1820
01:16:18.359 --> 01:16:19.380
Yeah, yeah.

1821
01:16:19.439 --> 01:16:21.239
It's really good. really great.

1822
01:16:21.300 --> 01:16:25.260
And for those of you out there, you know, the 90s trek fans. that

1823
01:16:25.260 --> 01:16:28.560
are complaining about how sophisticated the technology is these

1824
01:16:28.560 --> 01:16:28.920
days.

1825
01:16:28.979 --> 01:16:32.579
If they could have done this in the 90s, they would have.

1826
01:16:32.699 --> 01:16:36.180
They did everything they could possibly do, but they would push

1827
01:16:36.180 --> 01:16:36.960
them. pushing this.

1828
01:16:37.020 --> 01:16:39.720
Like in Deep Space 9, those battles looked incredible at the

1829
01:16:39.720 --> 01:16:39.899
time.

1830
01:16:39.960 --> 01:16:42.300
We were absolutely in awe of them.

1831
01:16:42.359 --> 01:16:45.479
And I think often they look really good as well still now.

1832
01:16:45.779 --> 01:16:51.239
Well, um, because there's sequences in Way of the Warrior, where

1833
01:16:51.239 --> 01:16:52.800
they try and do the...

1834
01:16:52.859 --> 01:16:53.760
Well, no, they don't try.

1835
01:16:53.819 --> 01:16:58.859
They do the POV of a photon torpedo as it's going through the

1836
01:16:58.859 --> 01:16:59.579
battle.

1837
01:16:59.579 --> 01:17:01.739
And it's like a money shot, right?

1838
01:17:01.800 --> 01:17:03.420
They can only do it once or twice.

1839
01:17:03.479 --> 01:17:07.079
Whereas here, they just have the tech and they can, they can do it

1840
01:17:07.079 --> 01:17:07.619
all the time.

1841
01:17:07.680 --> 01:17:11.399
It's it is the natural extension of what they were doing.

1842
01:17:11.460 --> 01:17:13.260
Yeah, of course. you know, but 20 years later.

1843
01:17:13.319 --> 01:17:14.819
Yeah, yeah.

1844
01:17:14.880 --> 01:17:15.960
God bless technology.

1845
01:17:16.020 --> 01:17:18.600
I mean, we used to console ourselves by saying that what we really

1846
01:17:18.600 --> 01:17:22.260
need are sort of great actors declaiming great lines and stuff.

1847
01:17:22.260 --> 01:17:23.760
And all of that's in that.

1848
01:17:24.239 --> 01:17:28.319
Of course we do, but it's still television and we still want

1849
01:17:28.319 --> 01:17:32.579
vision and this show absolutely delivers it.

1850
01:17:33.420 --> 01:17:37.439
Yeah, it is the visionist Star Trek of all.

1851
01:17:37.500 --> 01:17:38.399
I'd probably say.

1852
01:17:38.460 --> 01:17:40.260
Even more than Strange New Worlds actually.

1853
01:17:40.319 --> 01:17:42.300
Well, maybe.

1854
01:17:42.359 --> 01:17:46.680
I think Stranger World does look amazingly fabulously weird and

1855
01:17:46.680 --> 01:17:48.539
does things that the show doesn't do.

1856
01:17:48.600 --> 01:17:51.420
There's an ambition to this, though.

1857
01:17:51.479 --> 01:17:52.560
When they go for action.

1858
01:17:52.619 --> 01:17:54.359
He's extended action.

1859
01:17:54.420 --> 01:17:55.140
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1860
01:17:55.199 --> 01:17:55.739
I know.

1861
01:17:55.800 --> 01:17:57.539
I love the chaos of it.

1862
01:17:57.600 --> 01:18:00.000
But you can't quite figure out who should.

1863
01:18:00.119 --> 01:18:01.260
We got the shot from above.

1864
01:18:01.319 --> 01:18:02.699
Now we can see what's happening.

1865
01:18:02.760 --> 01:18:03.600
Do you know what I mean?

1866
01:18:03.659 --> 01:18:05.220
There's that ring around them, all of that.

1867
01:18:05.279 --> 01:18:05.939
It's very clear.

1868
01:18:06.000 --> 01:18:08.579
That's what being in a batter was lying, right?

1869
01:18:08.640 --> 01:18:09.659
There's so much happening.

1870
01:18:09.720 --> 01:18:13.260
You don't get a clear vision on a clear path.

1871
01:18:13.380 --> 01:18:15.659
It's everyone trying to kill everybody.

1872
01:18:15.720 --> 01:18:17.220
Oh, rocks flying everywhere.

1873
01:18:17.279 --> 01:18:18.119
Come on.

1874
01:18:18.180 --> 01:18:18.840
Yep.

1875
01:18:18.899 --> 01:18:21.000
Oh, man.

1876
01:18:22.979 --> 01:18:24.960
See him there with a beard.

1877
01:18:25.020 --> 01:18:28.020
I don't know who he was, but on Discovery.

1878
01:18:28.079 --> 01:18:29.039
Yeah.

1879
01:18:29.039 --> 01:18:32.039
Yeah, yeah, that's that's that's some that's Bryce.

1880
01:18:32.100 --> 01:18:34.380
He gets replaced by Christopher.

1881
01:18:35.220 --> 01:18:37.739
And they, he starts to disappear a little bit from the show.

1882
01:18:37.920 --> 01:18:39.720
Did you hear that?

1883
01:18:39.779 --> 01:18:43.439
It's the lion Sanequis always wanted to say, Reno, we need the

1884
01:18:43.439 --> 01:18:45.000
time crystal.

1885
01:18:45.060 --> 01:18:47.100
Why, she signed up.

1886
01:18:48.119 --> 01:18:50.399
Yeah, and you know what, right?

1887
01:18:50.460 --> 01:18:54.899
As sparks rain in slow motion around that enterprise bridge, it's

1888
01:18:54.899 --> 01:18:56.279
like visual porn, isn't it?

1889
01:18:56.340 --> 01:18:57.420
It's so great.

1890
01:18:57.479 --> 01:18:58.979
It's so good.

1891
01:19:00.239 --> 01:19:04.260
We, I said, throw yourself across the set like the original

1892
01:19:04.260 --> 01:19:04.739
series.

1893
01:19:08.399 --> 01:19:12.359
That's about must have been like, am I getting paid to do this

1894
01:19:12.359 --> 01:19:12.539
really?

1895
01:19:12.600 --> 01:19:14.699
I'm doing Star Trek.

1896
01:19:14.760 --> 01:19:17.399
It's incredible I wonder if as a little boy, you know, he watched

1897
01:19:17.399 --> 01:19:18.239
original Trek.

1898
01:19:18.239 --> 01:19:19.920
Yeah, no idea.

1899
01:19:19.920 --> 01:19:20.760
What he was going to be doing.

1900
01:19:20.819 --> 01:19:22.500
He's younger than me, I think.

1901
01:19:22.560 --> 01:19:23.640
I mean, he must be.

1902
01:19:23.760 --> 01:19:25.319
And I love it.

1903
01:19:25.439 --> 01:19:27.479
Don't you love how the princess's eyes?

1904
01:19:27.539 --> 01:19:28.859
Her eyes bring.

1905
01:19:28.920 --> 01:19:29.640
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1906
01:19:29.699 --> 01:19:30.600
They blink sideways.

1907
01:19:30.659 --> 01:19:31.619
They're really good, aren't they?

1908
01:19:31.680 --> 01:19:32.399
looks really good.

1909
01:19:32.460 --> 01:19:34.319
Her eyes blink.

1910
01:19:34.380 --> 01:19:36.300
Joe, what?

1911
01:19:37.319 --> 01:19:39.899
Thank you for the additional explanation there.

1912
01:19:41.039 --> 01:19:42.899
Man, man.

1913
01:19:42.960 --> 01:19:45.359
I mean, their spark budget must be pretty.

1914
01:19:45.420 --> 01:19:49.680
So we have Saru, like being mean to Michelle.

1915
01:19:49.739 --> 01:19:50.520
Do you know what I mean?

1916
01:19:50.579 --> 01:19:52.859
Like going, have you got anything to contribute?

1917
01:19:52.920 --> 01:19:54.479
You know, like, why are you here?

1918
01:19:54.539 --> 01:19:58.020
Nathan, maybe it's something about the mature woman, you know

1919
01:19:58.020 --> 01:20:00.239
because number one is quite pretty as well.

1920
01:20:00.300 --> 01:20:00.840
Why wasn't she?

1921
01:20:00.899 --> 01:20:01.500
Yeah.

1922
01:20:01.560 --> 01:20:05.399
So she is, of course, that's Rebecca Romayne, who will go on to

1923
01:20:05.399 --> 01:20:10.680
play Una in Strangely World, and she is, of course, married to the

1924
01:20:10.680 --> 01:20:15.779
person who plays Jack in Lower Decks.

1925
01:20:15.840 --> 01:20:18.539
So they are a Star Trek Power couple.

1926
01:20:18.600 --> 01:20:23.579
And in fact, in the episode, those old scientists where Boheemler

1927
01:20:23.579 --> 01:20:29.520
and Mariner come on board, we do hear Jack saying how hot Una is

1928
01:20:29.520 --> 01:20:31.500
and how adorable she was.

1929
01:20:31.560 --> 01:20:35.460
But yes, they're both 1st officers in Kurtzman Trek, and they're a

1930
01:20:35.460 --> 01:20:37.439
couple Power Star Trek couple.

1931
01:20:37.500 --> 01:20:39.840
Oh my God, I love her so much.

1932
01:20:39.899 --> 01:20:45.000
Saru went, you know, our 1st priority is to get Michael Burnham

1933
01:20:45.000 --> 01:20:47.220
back and Georgio went for you perhaps.

1934
01:20:50.399 --> 01:20:52.859
Oh boy, oh boy.

1935
01:20:52.920 --> 01:20:56.220
The bit where she cuts her down later, I must pay attention and

1936
01:20:56.220 --> 01:20:58.319
get every line on this podcast, all right?

1937
01:20:58.380 --> 01:20:59.100
It's so good.

1938
01:20:59.159 --> 01:21:00.000
It is so great.

1939
01:21:01.319 --> 01:21:03.840
Man, look at this.

1940
01:21:03.899 --> 01:21:04.859
It's stunning.

1941
01:21:04.920 --> 01:21:07.020
Yeah, just looks incredible.

1942
01:21:07.079 --> 01:21:10.619
I was watching these on my phone and actually seeing them on the

1943
01:21:10.619 --> 01:21:11.279
big screen like this.

1944
01:21:11.340 --> 01:21:13.199
It's far more impressive.

1945
01:21:13.260 --> 01:21:14.340
Oh, no, it's amazing.

1946
01:21:14.399 --> 01:21:15.359
It is amazing stuff.

1947
01:21:15.420 --> 01:21:19.199
But they are, look at the, like, just the pyrotechnics.

1948
01:21:19.260 --> 01:21:21.840
I mean, it's not real, but, you know, like the computery stuff

1949
01:21:21.840 --> 01:21:23.340
just looks amazing.

1950
01:21:26.520 --> 01:21:29.939
I mean, it's as real as it's ever going to look, right?

1951
01:21:30.000 --> 01:21:30.779
No, that's true.

1952
01:21:30.840 --> 01:21:31.439
That's true.

1953
01:21:31.500 --> 01:21:35.520
You don't think in sort of 20, 30 years time, we'll look back on

1954
01:21:35.520 --> 01:21:37.199
this and go, oh, well, doesn't look primitive.

1955
01:21:37.319 --> 01:21:38.159
Maybe.

1956
01:21:38.220 --> 01:21:40.859
But I think where the hell will we be then?

1957
01:21:40.920 --> 01:21:41.699
Yeah, yeah.

1958
01:21:41.760 --> 01:21:42.600
Well, what are we doing?

1959
01:21:42.659 --> 01:21:43.140
don't know.

1960
01:21:43.199 --> 01:21:46.739
We'll be on our own holiday experiencing Star Trek for real.

1961
01:21:46.800 --> 01:21:48.000
Yeah, yeah, yeah, maybe.

1962
01:21:48.960 --> 01:21:51.840
Oh, this is just all gorgeous.

1963
01:21:51.899 --> 01:21:53.039
It's like being at a movie.

1964
01:21:53.100 --> 01:21:54.060
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1965
01:21:54.119 --> 01:21:54.539
Yeah.

1966
01:21:54.600 --> 01:21:57.600
But it was always like that's the thing that this does, I think

1967
01:21:57.600 --> 01:22:02.939
that Star Trek, that the Discovery does, is the big finales are

1968
01:22:02.939 --> 01:22:06.180
big events because they change the status quo because things

1969
01:22:06.180 --> 01:22:06.840
matter.

1970
01:22:06.960 --> 01:22:10.380
It's not just a, you know, like a syndicated show like Star Trek

1971
01:22:10.380 --> 01:22:13.079
the Next Generation, where we finish in the same place where we

1972
01:22:13.079 --> 01:22:13.979
started every week.

1973
01:22:14.039 --> 01:22:15.960
Like things happen all the time.

1974
01:22:16.380 --> 01:22:21.119
I'm not sure where the mixture of rocks and sparks became like the

1975
01:22:21.119 --> 01:22:24.359
ultimate action that you could have. but honestly, God.

1976
01:22:24.420 --> 01:22:25.800
Did you see that scene on the bridge there?

1977
01:22:26.039 --> 01:22:28.439
They were flying about all over.

1978
01:22:28.500 --> 01:22:29.399
What's happening now?

1979
01:22:29.460 --> 01:22:32.220
with zooming down a lift shaft.

1980
01:22:33.840 --> 01:22:37.619
This is all too fast for me through these old eyes.

1981
01:22:37.739 --> 01:22:41.760
The lift shaft things, I think, just look absolutely amazing in

1982
01:22:41.760 --> 01:22:44.220
discovery, like they're very, very strange.

1983
01:22:44.340 --> 01:22:49.439
That slow motion where they literally all slammed against the

1984
01:22:49.439 --> 01:22:49.859
walls there.

1985
01:22:49.920 --> 01:22:50.520
Did you see that?

1986
01:22:50.579 --> 01:22:51.420
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1987
01:22:51.420 --> 01:22:51.779
Fabulous.

1988
01:22:51.840 --> 01:22:53.159
Oh, unbelievable.

1989
01:22:53.220 --> 01:22:54.119
And...

1990
01:22:54.119 --> 01:22:56.939
Oh, stomachs has been impaled.

1991
01:22:57.060 --> 01:22:59.039
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1992
01:22:59.100 --> 01:22:59.760
Yeah.

1993
01:22:59.819 --> 01:23:02.100
Shouldn't have been such an arsehole to Reno.

1994
01:23:02.159 --> 01:23:03.420
Well, this is gonna happen.

1995
01:23:03.479 --> 01:23:06.779
This is gonna be it for the rest of the thing, of course.

1996
01:23:06.840 --> 01:23:10.439
And he's still impaled when we when we next see him, I think.

1997
01:23:10.979 --> 01:23:13.979
It's going to put a crimp on your day, isn't it?

1998
01:23:14.039 --> 01:23:15.420
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1999
01:23:15.479 --> 01:23:18.359
Well, I think he has to do some engineering or give some sort of

2000
01:23:18.359 --> 01:23:19.380
instructions and stuff.

2001
01:23:19.439 --> 01:23:23.699
And so it's Reno and Culber in that episode 2 of the next season.

2002
01:23:23.760 --> 01:23:25.260
But uh, yes.

2003
01:23:26.279 --> 01:23:28.020
Oh my god.

2004
01:23:28.079 --> 01:23:30.899
I mean, I didn't think there could be anything hotter than bearded

2005
01:23:30.899 --> 01:23:33.659
Spock, but Beard and Scott saw covered in blood as well.

2006
01:23:33.960 --> 01:23:36.060
That's amazing, as well.

2007
01:23:36.119 --> 01:23:37.500
Did you hear the line there?

2008
01:23:37.560 --> 01:23:40.020
Let's just make sure nobody else gets some pail, sure.

2009
01:23:41.760 --> 01:23:45.960
They're so weird enough, because the action's going now.

2010
01:23:46.020 --> 01:23:47.760
I think the wit's faster as well.

2011
01:23:47.819 --> 01:23:50.579
There's just more funny lines, you know, to break it up because

2012
01:23:50.579 --> 01:23:51.180
that's right.

2013
01:23:51.239 --> 01:23:51.659
That's right.

2014
01:23:51.720 --> 01:23:54.600
And like everything is so good.

2015
01:23:54.659 --> 01:23:56.640
And we've got Dr. Watts a face.

2016
01:23:56.699 --> 01:23:57.720
I can't even remember her name.

2017
01:23:57.779 --> 01:23:59.640
She's really that old. alien.

2018
01:23:59.640 --> 01:24:00.779
Did you see that alien?

2019
01:24:00.840 --> 01:24:02.100
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

2020
01:24:02.220 --> 01:24:03.420
I don't know what that was.

2021
01:24:06.420 --> 01:24:10.439
Are you telling me I'm getting made up for 5 hours and I don't

2022
01:24:10.439 --> 01:24:10.979
even get a line.

2023
01:24:11.039 --> 01:24:13.020
I'm just on a bio bed.

2024
01:24:14.760 --> 01:24:16.619
Oh that was great.

2025
01:24:16.680 --> 01:24:19.979
I don't know who that woman is, but she went, no, I'm going to do

2026
01:24:19.979 --> 01:24:21.779
a half-arse job just for once.

2027
01:24:21.840 --> 01:24:22.619
Yeah, I know.

2028
01:24:22.680 --> 01:24:23.760
I know, it's so good.

2029
01:24:24.359 --> 01:24:25.979
Do we know her?

2030
01:24:26.039 --> 01:24:30.000
Yeah, I think she's, I can't remember her name, though, and she is

2031
01:24:30.000 --> 01:24:33.659
not on my list of people because I didn't copy it all the way down

2032
01:24:33.659 --> 01:24:37.199
but she has been on it before, and she is another one of the

2033
01:24:37.199 --> 01:24:37.619
doctors.

2034
01:24:38.699 --> 01:24:41.460
Well, she's jolly good fun.

2035
01:24:41.520 --> 01:24:42.779
She absolutely is.

2036
01:24:43.020 --> 01:24:44.640
Here we go.

2037
01:24:44.699 --> 01:24:46.260
Oh, hang on. slowed down a bit now.

2038
01:24:46.319 --> 01:24:47.279
Oh, the suit.

2039
01:24:47.340 --> 01:24:48.119
Yeah, yeah.

2040
01:24:48.180 --> 01:24:50.640
Back to the plot with the suit, back to the plot.

2041
01:24:50.699 --> 01:24:53.279
And so the time crystals in the suit, we're all looking at the

2042
01:24:53.279 --> 01:24:53.520
suit.

2043
01:24:53.579 --> 01:24:55.920
The time crystal.

2044
01:24:59.100 --> 01:25:02.220
I fucking love the time crystal now.

2045
01:25:03.840 --> 01:25:06.960
I mean, look at this when the suit comes on.

2046
01:25:07.020 --> 01:25:08.340
I know, isn't it great?

2047
01:25:08.399 --> 01:25:11.159
Like, not only does it sort of save us time, we don't have to

2048
01:25:11.159 --> 01:25:15.420
watch her put the suit on, but it just kind of...

2049
01:25:15.479 --> 01:25:18.060
Do you remember when we watched Enterprise?

2050
01:25:18.420 --> 01:25:22.140
We wash Malcolm Reed for 5 fucking minutes.

2051
01:25:22.199 --> 01:25:25.859
And the show can now lean into this more because we're about to go

2052
01:25:25.859 --> 01:25:29.399
950 years into the future where this shit happens all the time, you

2053
01:25:29.399 --> 01:25:32.100
know, and because they've got the money to do it, they can do the

2054
01:25:32.100 --> 01:25:33.359
programmerable matter thing.

2055
01:25:33.420 --> 01:25:36.479
They can do the thing where rather than going out into the

2056
01:25:36.479 --> 01:25:40.199
corridor and going into the next room, they just personal

2057
01:25:40.199 --> 01:25:43.560
transport to the next room because they can't be fucked walking.

2058
01:25:43.619 --> 01:25:45.479
Like all of that stuff are so great.

2059
01:25:45.539 --> 01:25:48.239
I mean, in a way, it is such a sunny, isn't it?

2060
01:25:48.300 --> 01:25:49.140
Yeah, in that.

2061
01:25:49.140 --> 01:25:50.340
Oh, I know.

2062
01:25:50.399 --> 01:25:52.260
This scene between Spock and Burnham is great.

2063
01:25:52.319 --> 01:25:54.479
And it's just pretty, pretty small.

2064
01:25:54.539 --> 01:25:55.199
And that's enough.

2065
01:25:55.260 --> 01:25:56.760
I didn't need the second one.

2066
01:25:56.819 --> 01:26:00.479
I didn't need, which is absolutely packed full of saccharine

2067
01:26:00.479 --> 01:26:01.199
dialogue.

2068
01:26:01.260 --> 01:26:03.659
And that's, but that is the farewell.

2069
01:26:03.720 --> 01:26:05.100
This isn't the farewell.

2070
01:26:05.159 --> 01:26:06.420
This is a possible farewell.

2071
01:26:06.479 --> 01:26:07.560
Do you know what I mean?

2072
01:26:07.619 --> 01:26:09.300
because Spock is staying with them.

2073
01:26:09.659 --> 01:26:11.520
Did you see that there?

2074
01:26:11.579 --> 01:26:15.899
In that cargo bay, there was what looked like the TNG containers

2075
01:26:15.899 --> 01:26:16.800
in the background there.

2076
01:26:16.859 --> 01:26:18.359
Did you see the prisms?

2077
01:26:18.420 --> 01:26:20.460
All of them stacked up on top of each other.

2078
01:26:20.520 --> 01:26:22.500
That would have been deliberate.

2079
01:26:23.159 --> 01:26:24.840
Absolutely.

2080
01:26:24.899 --> 01:26:27.899
Now, what I was going to say was, I think it's a savvy move in

2081
01:26:27.899 --> 01:26:30.239
that when they go into the future, they can just let their

2082
01:26:30.239 --> 01:26:33.119
imaginations fly with the tech and all of that, you know?

2083
01:26:33.180 --> 01:26:36.000
And we just want to go mad and we can now.

2084
01:26:36.119 --> 01:26:38.640
And they did that in series one.

2085
01:26:38.699 --> 01:26:41.640
I think series one looks incredible for the time, but they are

2086
01:26:41.640 --> 01:26:44.699
able to even make a go up a notch because they're free to do what

2087
01:26:44.699 --> 01:26:45.119
they want.

2088
01:26:45.180 --> 01:26:47.880
And so they've redesigned what tricorders look like.

2089
01:26:47.939 --> 01:26:51.060
They've redesigned, you know, what ships look like for God's

2090
01:26:51.060 --> 01:26:51.300
sake.

2091
01:26:51.359 --> 01:26:55.380
There's those things that you see in that late discovery where you

2092
01:26:55.380 --> 01:26:56.640
don't even know what they are.

2093
01:26:56.699 --> 01:26:59.760
Like there's some space thing happening outside, but you can't

2094
01:26:59.760 --> 01:27:02.460
recognise it because it's so foreign.

2095
01:27:02.520 --> 01:27:04.319
And, you know, they're able to read a science.

2096
01:27:04.380 --> 01:27:06.300
Oh, they push the big head guy out of the way.

2097
01:27:06.359 --> 01:27:10.140
They're able to kind of redesign, you know, thinks absolutely

2098
01:27:10.140 --> 01:27:10.800
completely.

2099
01:27:10.920 --> 01:27:11.579
It's amazing.

2100
01:27:11.640 --> 01:27:13.739
This is so good.

2101
01:27:13.800 --> 01:27:14.819
Look at this.

2102
01:27:14.880 --> 01:27:18.960
Obviously, the visuals on the pacing is very different.

2103
01:27:19.020 --> 01:27:19.739
Out we go.

2104
01:27:19.800 --> 01:27:20.939
Both of them.

2105
01:27:20.939 --> 01:27:27.659
But in terms of doing a lot of plot and cut in between action and

2106
01:27:27.659 --> 01:27:31.020
character, I was getting DS9 vibes from this.

2107
01:27:31.079 --> 01:27:33.539
Obviously, this is DS9 much in the future.

2108
01:27:33.600 --> 01:27:38.340
But I think that this is this, this, you know, DS9, because of the

2109
01:27:38.340 --> 01:27:44.760
serialisation, because of the constant retooling, um, you know, the

2110
01:27:44.760 --> 01:27:48.600
I know, that thing, like whatever the hell they even are, all

2111
01:27:48.600 --> 01:27:51.960
swirling around each other. arrow shit going after her.

2112
01:27:52.020 --> 01:27:53.039
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

2113
01:27:53.100 --> 01:27:54.300
It's amazing isn't it?

2114
01:27:54.359 --> 01:27:57.479
Look at this now when we see from the suit's point of view going

2115
01:27:57.479 --> 01:27:58.439
for all those arrows.

2116
01:27:58.500 --> 01:28:00.000
It's incredible.

2117
01:28:00.000 --> 01:28:02.220
It's so good.

2118
01:28:02.279 --> 01:28:03.659
Debris.

2119
01:28:03.779 --> 01:28:07.439
But do you remember that 1st episode, like the opening episode

2120
01:28:07.439 --> 01:28:08.579
which sold me.

2121
01:28:08.640 --> 01:28:12.119
This is when I was sold on Discovery, was where she goes out in

2122
01:28:12.119 --> 01:28:16.619
the EV pod thing to investigate that Klingon artefact.

2123
01:28:16.619 --> 01:28:19.920
And it's just like, you know, Star Trek, the Next Generation did 7

2124
01:28:19.920 --> 01:28:22.260
years and no one went into fucking space.

2125
01:28:22.319 --> 01:28:25.079
Like, they may as well have been on an ocean.

2126
01:28:25.079 --> 01:28:25.739
No, it was for me.

2127
01:28:25.800 --> 01:28:29.880
You know, when she was in the, in the cell, and then the whole of

2128
01:28:29.880 --> 01:28:32.460
the room, is blown up around her.

2129
01:28:32.460 --> 01:28:33.960
And it's just a cell, in space.

2130
01:28:34.020 --> 01:28:35.220
It was amazing.

2131
01:28:35.279 --> 01:28:39.060
I thought, God, we're not in Kansas anymore, Dorothy.

2132
01:28:39.119 --> 01:28:40.619
Really good.

2133
01:28:40.680 --> 01:28:42.899
Like this. holy crap.

2134
01:28:42.960 --> 01:28:44.579
And it's distressed as well.

2135
01:28:44.640 --> 01:28:49.140
You know, like this... like there's lens flare and it's almost

2136
01:28:49.140 --> 01:28:52.140
like the glass on the camera is a bit dirty or whatever.

2137
01:28:52.199 --> 01:28:56.220
Like, it's, it seems so rare. all those rocks.

2138
01:28:56.279 --> 01:28:58.319
Oh my god.

2139
01:28:58.319 --> 01:29:00.180
You haven't even had the best yet.

2140
01:29:00.239 --> 01:29:01.680
You see slow motion rocks later.

2141
01:29:01.739 --> 01:29:02.340
It's amazing.

2142
01:29:02.399 --> 01:29:03.239
Here's Leland.

2143
01:29:04.500 --> 01:29:08.579
So, do you remember, have you seen the episode yet, then, in lower

2144
01:29:08.579 --> 01:29:11.579
decks, which just explains why there's so many rocks in the

2145
01:29:11.579 --> 01:29:11.939
consoles?

2146
01:29:12.060 --> 01:29:14.880
name for them and it explains what they're for, but I can't

2147
01:29:14.880 --> 01:29:17.279
remember what the dialogue is, because I have seen all of Lower

2148
01:29:17.279 --> 01:29:18.779
Decks, but they do explain the rocks.

2149
01:29:18.899 --> 01:29:23.520
Fortunately, in discovery, they don't end up murdering people, but

2150
01:29:23.520 --> 01:29:25.260
in 90s strike, it happens all the time.

2151
01:29:25.319 --> 01:29:26.520
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

2152
01:29:26.579 --> 01:29:27.659
No, we mostly survive.

2153
01:29:27.720 --> 01:29:31.800
Well, I think they drop that from the academy prospectus.

2154
01:29:31.859 --> 01:29:35.520
There was a, back in the day, there was a how to avoid the role.

2155
01:29:35.520 --> 01:29:37.199
That's when the consoles...

2156
01:29:37.260 --> 01:29:38.699
Well, it's when the knives.

2157
01:29:38.760 --> 01:29:40.079
It's when they pack them with knives.

2158
01:29:40.979 --> 01:29:42.600
Oh, yes.

2159
01:29:42.659 --> 01:29:43.260
What was her name?

2160
01:29:43.319 --> 01:29:43.979
Captain Garrett.

2161
01:29:44.039 --> 01:29:44.939
Or old Captain Garrett.

2162
01:29:44.939 --> 01:29:45.899
From Section 8.

2163
01:29:45.899 --> 01:29:47.100
Ryland Bill of Burheads.

2164
01:29:47.399 --> 01:29:49.739
Is she from section 31?

2165
01:29:49.800 --> 01:29:51.479
She's in section one.

2166
01:29:51.539 --> 01:29:52.800
Oh is she?

2167
01:29:52.859 --> 01:29:55.739
Yeah, young Rachel Garrett is in section 31.

2168
01:29:55.859 --> 01:29:57.180
As a part of section 31.

2169
01:29:57.359 --> 01:30:00.300
No, she's the sort of Starfleet person who's keeping them kind of

2170
01:30:00.300 --> 01:30:00.899
honest.

2171
01:30:00.960 --> 01:30:03.359
You know, she's kind of telling them to calm down.

2172
01:30:03.420 --> 01:30:04.560
Her husband, Troke, man.

2173
01:30:04.619 --> 01:30:05.880
They will not. no stone.

2174
01:30:05.939 --> 01:30:07.619
They won't pick up. absolutely great.

2175
01:30:07.680 --> 01:30:08.640
So good.

2176
01:30:08.760 --> 01:30:11.640
Shields down to 38%.

2177
01:30:11.699 --> 01:30:12.479
Oh shit.

2178
01:30:12.539 --> 01:30:16.979
So, Michelle's, would you like to join me after we've done some

2179
01:30:16.979 --> 01:30:19.920
breaking and entering, would you like to join me in making Leland

2180
01:30:19.920 --> 01:30:20.399
scream?

2181
01:30:20.579 --> 01:30:22.260
Oh, yes.

2182
01:30:22.260 --> 01:30:24.060
Michelle and none.

2183
01:30:24.119 --> 01:30:26.399
And then it's paid off when she goes now.

2184
01:30:26.399 --> 01:30:29.100
Now I want to hear you scream.

2185
01:30:29.100 --> 01:30:31.199
That's what you had, Michelle for.

2186
01:30:31.260 --> 01:30:32.279
Do you know what I mean?

2187
01:30:32.340 --> 01:30:34.500
To torture the bad guy before killing you.

2188
01:30:34.560 --> 01:30:35.159
It's wonderful.

2189
01:30:35.220 --> 01:30:37.319
It's a perfect decision.

2190
01:30:37.380 --> 01:30:39.960
Badass bitch as well.

2191
01:30:40.020 --> 01:30:40.859
All right.

2192
01:30:40.920 --> 01:30:45.720
So this is the scene where Spock discovers that he's not going to

2193
01:30:45.720 --> 01:30:46.800
see that.

2194
01:30:46.859 --> 01:30:48.060
See, we lean into that.

2195
01:30:48.119 --> 01:30:53.100
That thing, her big typewriter thing, which is in space, which is

2196
01:30:53.100 --> 01:30:53.640
programming.

2197
01:30:53.699 --> 01:30:57.300
And obviously that's what everything looks like in the...

2198
01:30:57.300 --> 01:30:59.640
I think Picard was the king of that, wasn't it?

2199
01:30:59.699 --> 01:31:01.800
Yeah, yeah, the consoles in space.

2200
01:31:01.859 --> 01:31:03.720
Sorry, holographic consoles.

2201
01:31:03.779 --> 01:31:07.500
Remember how they, you know, the badge is their tricorder and it

2202
01:31:07.500 --> 01:31:10.619
comes out and it gives them a little keypad and stuff, you know

2203
01:31:10.619 --> 01:31:12.300
like it's all thing.

2204
01:31:12.359 --> 01:31:13.439
Oh, so what?

2205
01:31:13.439 --> 01:31:14.819
God bless CGI.

2206
01:31:14.880 --> 01:31:15.600
What's this?

2207
01:31:15.659 --> 01:31:20.039
But the fact that they are now able to put the CGI element so

2208
01:31:20.039 --> 01:31:24.119
seamlessly into Oh, it's the torpedo that was off in the flash

2209
01:31:24.119 --> 01:31:24.479
forward.

2210
01:31:24.539 --> 01:31:25.500
Yeah.

2211
01:31:25.560 --> 01:31:28.680
I remember that Voyager episode where the shuttle went paled

2212
01:31:28.680 --> 01:31:29.159
inside.

2213
01:31:29.220 --> 01:31:30.180
Well, look what you can do now.

2214
01:31:30.239 --> 01:31:31.140
Yeah, that's right.

2215
01:31:31.199 --> 01:31:33.479
And I think we're going to get that scene.

2216
01:31:33.539 --> 01:31:41.460
So we are going to kill off Captain Admiral, um, Admiral Cornwall

2217
01:31:41.460 --> 01:31:45.779
in this because she's going to go and disarm the bomb.

2218
01:31:45.840 --> 01:31:47.159
Do you know what I mean?

2219
01:31:47.220 --> 01:31:50.159
So that she gets a scene with Anson Mount to say goodbye.

2220
01:31:50.279 --> 01:31:54.840
And she was kind of our, she was our admiral for those 2 seasons

2221
01:31:54.840 --> 01:31:57.539
and she had that relationship with, with...

2222
01:31:57.600 --> 01:31:59.159
No, we get car. going forward.

2223
01:31:59.220 --> 01:32:00.899
Fabulous president, isn't it?

2224
01:32:00.960 --> 01:32:02.279
Oh, yeah, yeah.

2225
01:32:02.340 --> 01:32:05.279
No, but I remember, you know, Vance, handsome Admiral Vance.

2226
01:32:05.340 --> 01:32:07.020
So you get really...

2227
01:32:07.079 --> 01:32:10.500
You get Relick, the president, the woman, the, you know, the

2228
01:32:10.500 --> 01:32:13.500
president of the Federation. but then you get Admiral Van. one

2229
01:32:13.500 --> 01:32:14.460
who's Admiral Vans.

2230
01:32:14.520 --> 01:32:17.039
Is she the one that's a bit unsure about Burnham?

2231
01:32:17.100 --> 01:32:17.819
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

2232
01:32:18.779 --> 01:32:19.439
Oh, I love it.

2233
01:32:19.439 --> 01:32:23.159
And they actually butts up against her and she's part Cardassian

2234
01:32:23.159 --> 01:32:24.539
and part Bajoran, remember?

2235
01:32:24.600 --> 01:32:26.760
That's right Yeah, she's really good.

2236
01:32:26.760 --> 01:32:27.899
Vance.

2237
01:32:27.960 --> 01:32:28.560
I know.

2238
01:32:28.560 --> 01:32:29.640
Bl handsome.

2239
01:32:29.699 --> 01:32:31.619
Very handsome man. grief.

2240
01:32:31.680 --> 01:32:35.760
You should have a big orgy with all the discovery characters.

2241
01:32:35.819 --> 01:32:37.260
I wouldn't know where to go first.

2242
01:32:37.560 --> 01:32:40.560
I'll probably come and find you if I'm honest.

2243
01:32:40.619 --> 01:32:41.520
Wait, look at the dogs.

2244
01:32:41.520 --> 01:32:42.119
Oh, yes.

2245
01:32:42.359 --> 01:32:44.819
Coming out to clean up the ship.

2246
01:32:44.880 --> 01:32:45.779
That's so adorable.

2247
01:32:45.840 --> 01:32:47.640
Is this the thing?

2248
01:32:47.640 --> 01:32:49.739
Whenever we do, they're super cute.

2249
01:32:49.800 --> 01:32:55.020
So there's a, I can't remember when we 1st see the dots, but there

2250
01:32:55.020 --> 01:32:57.539
is a short track entirely about a dot.

2251
01:32:57.659 --> 01:32:59.159
Oh, good.

2252
01:32:59.220 --> 01:33:01.500
Is there not an episode about outdoors?

2253
01:33:01.560 --> 01:33:07.979
No, they play a big role at the end of series 3 at the resolution

2254
01:33:07.979 --> 01:33:10.680
of the series 3 finale, which we've already seen.

2255
01:33:10.680 --> 01:33:13.020
But yeah, no, they're very cute.

2256
01:33:13.079 --> 01:33:15.600
Usually going forward, it's whatever there's a cleanup crew.

2257
01:33:15.659 --> 01:33:18.479
You see a few dots coming in the back, actually.

2258
01:33:19.140 --> 01:33:19.739
They're adorable.

2259
01:33:19.800 --> 01:33:21.479
You could do the X-acomps with them.

2260
01:33:21.539 --> 01:33:24.899
Yeah, they could they could come sentient.

2261
01:33:24.960 --> 01:33:27.600
I'm not cleaning up your sheet any longer.

2262
01:33:28.560 --> 01:33:31.739
Oh, see, that's, yes, okay.

2263
01:33:31.800 --> 01:33:33.119
I'm going to ask you a question.

2264
01:33:33.180 --> 01:33:36.420
Because this episode is about what?

2265
01:33:36.479 --> 01:33:40.439
12, 13 minutes longer than the last one and longer than your

2266
01:33:40.439 --> 01:33:42.000
standard discovery episode.

2267
01:33:42.239 --> 01:33:44.640
Now, I'm not saying I don't want to lose any of this action, which

2268
01:33:44.640 --> 01:33:45.779
is very exciting.

2269
01:33:45.840 --> 01:33:48.899
But you think it probably could have been cut down to 45 minutes.

2270
01:33:48.960 --> 01:33:50.939
Well, there's no need to do that though.

2271
01:33:51.000 --> 01:33:51.899
Do you know what I mean?

2272
01:33:51.960 --> 01:33:54.720
Like, and give us some leisure, like, this is a big change to the

2273
01:33:54.720 --> 01:33:54.960
show.

2274
01:33:55.020 --> 01:33:59.340
Let's have some time, like, make it an event, set it up, make it a

2275
01:33:59.340 --> 01:34:03.119
giant event, you know, have a really, really long battle sequence

2276
01:34:03.119 --> 01:34:05.039
that lasts like nearly an hour.

2277
01:34:05.100 --> 01:34:10.020
It's pretty amazing, and we've never done it before, and we're on

2278
01:34:10.020 --> 01:34:10.619
streaming.

2279
01:34:10.680 --> 01:34:14.460
There's one episode of discovering that's 35 minutes long, I

2280
01:34:14.460 --> 01:34:14.760
think.

2281
01:34:14.819 --> 01:34:19.380
And there's this one, which is an hour and 7 minutes.

2282
01:34:19.439 --> 01:34:20.399
I think that's okay.

2283
01:34:20.520 --> 01:34:27.359
With the pre-title sequences ending anything between 3 to 25

2284
01:34:27.359 --> 01:34:28.500
minutes into the episode.

2285
01:34:28.560 --> 01:34:31.439
There is one that's very, very late, I think.

2286
01:34:31.800 --> 01:34:33.960
What, 213?

2287
01:34:34.140 --> 01:34:37.319
Maybe not quite as much as that, but it is quite light.

2288
01:34:37.500 --> 01:34:39.659
But I like playing that.

2289
01:34:39.720 --> 01:34:41.159
We've blown up something.

2290
01:34:41.279 --> 01:34:43.140
What the hell is that?

2291
01:34:43.560 --> 01:34:48.420
It's a Klingon knife ship thing.

2292
01:34:48.539 --> 01:34:50.100
We do get a name.

2293
01:34:50.159 --> 01:34:53.100
Far kinder about those Klingons.

2294
01:34:53.159 --> 01:34:56.460
Yeah, but I think, so it's not what we settle on.

2295
01:34:56.699 --> 01:35:01.619
And obviously we don't have them in Strange New World, in Stranger

2296
01:35:01.619 --> 01:35:04.199
Worlds, where they're really visible in series 2 and they just

2297
01:35:04.199 --> 01:35:08.520
look like sort of standard Klingons, but both Discovery and the

2298
01:35:08.520 --> 01:35:13.979
film series try and find a new way of doing Klingons that makes

2299
01:35:13.979 --> 01:35:14.460
them...

2300
01:35:14.579 --> 01:35:15.300
Which I admire.

2301
01:35:15.359 --> 01:35:15.840
Yeah.

2302
01:35:15.899 --> 01:35:19.619
I just, yeah, all those scenes of them talking Klingonese.

2303
01:35:19.680 --> 01:35:21.000
I just couldn't bear it.

2304
01:35:21.060 --> 01:35:25.140
But again, making them speak not English was an important part.

2305
01:35:25.199 --> 01:35:28.439
Like, I think that was a good decision, but maybe the scenes

2306
01:35:28.439 --> 01:35:29.340
didn't quite work.

2307
01:35:29.399 --> 01:35:30.779
I do love that opening scene.

2308
01:35:30.840 --> 01:35:34.680
And I think Takuvma looked incredible like that.

2309
01:35:34.739 --> 01:35:38.520
He looked fucking scary and alien in a way that Klingons hadn't

2310
01:35:38.520 --> 01:35:39.000
for a while.

2311
01:35:39.060 --> 01:35:45.479
So this is Lorell, who was obviously Ash's girlfriend. and they

2312
01:35:45.479 --> 01:35:46.739
will go off together, I think.

2313
01:35:47.279 --> 01:35:51.899
By the time we get to Subspace Rhapsody, the Klingons are singing

2314
01:35:51.899 --> 01:35:52.800
boy band songs.

2315
01:35:52.859 --> 01:35:55.800
I was like, maybe we've lost the plot.

2316
01:35:56.220 --> 01:36:02.460
Well, it is, it is, after all, Stranger Worlds, which has to, you

2317
01:36:02.460 --> 01:36:04.859
know, 2 or 3 comedy episodes a season and that's fine.

2318
01:36:05.039 --> 01:36:08.220
She looks like the new Klingons.

2319
01:36:08.279 --> 01:36:11.340
The one in the background looks a bit like our standard Klingons.

2320
01:36:11.399 --> 01:36:12.539
They're walking it back.

2321
01:36:12.600 --> 01:36:16.439
Again, remember they had no hair in series one, and now they have

2322
01:36:16.439 --> 01:36:18.779
hair in series 2 because they've all stopped shaving.

2323
01:36:18.840 --> 01:36:20.880
Is it another sort of a minor apology?

2324
01:36:21.000 --> 01:36:23.640
Yeah, it's another minor apology, but I do think they should have

2325
01:36:23.640 --> 01:36:26.760
stuck with it because I did think it made them look more alien.

2326
01:36:27.539 --> 01:36:31.500
Now here's Saru's sister. coming to join the battle.

2327
01:36:31.560 --> 01:36:35.340
Yeah, and she gets, they get to say goodbye properly and I'm

2328
01:36:35.340 --> 01:36:36.180
really glad about that.

2329
01:36:36.239 --> 01:36:40.560
We did see him recording his goodbye and that's what brought her

2330
01:36:40.560 --> 01:36:42.300
here.

2331
01:36:42.359 --> 01:36:46.079
But it is nice to see her kind of speak to him.

2332
01:36:46.199 --> 01:36:48.600
And of course, the next time that we go to Kaminar, it's quite

2333
01:36:48.600 --> 01:36:51.720
different from the Kaminar that he experienced because it's nearly

2334
01:36:51.720 --> 01:36:52.619
a 1000 years later.

2335
01:36:53.579 --> 01:36:58.680
Although the one in two, which is set on his world.

2336
01:36:58.739 --> 01:37:01.500
That was a great episode.

2337
01:37:01.560 --> 01:37:03.539
That was my favourite episode of the year, I think.

2338
01:37:03.600 --> 01:37:07.199
There's an excellent short track as well, which ends with Giorgio

2339
01:37:07.199 --> 01:37:09.180
picking him up from his home world.

2340
01:37:09.239 --> 01:37:12.539
I watch more of those short tracks. we should do another one at

2341
01:37:12.539 --> 01:37:13.020
some point.

2342
01:37:14.159 --> 01:37:18.779
Yeah, so he's worked out that she now needs to go back in time.

2343
01:37:18.840 --> 01:37:22.439
The reason she can't go to the future is that she hasn't set

2344
01:37:22.439 --> 01:37:29.039
enough of the, um, you know, 7 things to make it possible.

2345
01:37:29.340 --> 01:37:31.020
Here we go.

2346
01:37:31.079 --> 01:37:32.279
So, yeah.

2347
01:37:32.279 --> 01:37:32.939
What's going on?

2348
01:37:33.000 --> 01:37:35.279
We're cutting from thing to thing now. what's happening?

2349
01:37:35.340 --> 01:37:40.800
Because this is where the red signals were earlier in the season.

2350
01:37:40.859 --> 01:37:45.000
She can't go into the future because she hasn't sent those signals

2351
01:37:45.000 --> 01:37:45.359
yet.

2352
01:37:45.479 --> 01:37:49.439
So she has to go in the past and set up the entirety of the

2353
01:37:49.439 --> 01:37:52.739
episode and only once she's done that, we should be able to go

2354
01:37:52.739 --> 01:37:53.760
forward into the future.

2355
01:37:53.880 --> 01:37:57.479
And there are 7 signals that we know about.

2356
01:37:57.539 --> 01:37:59.819
We've seen 5 of them.

2357
01:37:59.880 --> 01:38:03.180
She's going to go and set those 5 now.

2358
01:38:03.239 --> 01:38:07.739
Then she's going to set another signal to guide them through, and

2359
01:38:07.739 --> 01:38:11.579
then she sets the final signal to let Spock know that she got to

2360
01:38:11.579 --> 01:38:12.600
the future, okay?

2361
01:38:12.659 --> 01:38:18.840
And so, so this is like, uh, it's like a Doctor Who concede.

2362
01:38:18.840 --> 01:38:22.380
It's like a Stephen Moffatt episode of Doctor Who.

2363
01:38:22.439 --> 01:38:26.100
You go back and you make the season happen.

2364
01:38:26.159 --> 01:38:29.159
And in a sense, that's why the season ends up not being about

2365
01:38:29.159 --> 01:38:32.640
anything because the season is all about setting them up to go to

2366
01:38:32.640 --> 01:38:36.239
the future and every adventure that they've had, which we just saw

2367
01:38:36.239 --> 01:38:40.380
excerpted in that flashback, has been...

2368
01:38:40.380 --> 01:38:43.380
So throughout the season, we're trying to figure out what all

2369
01:38:43.380 --> 01:38:44.340
these signals are about.

2370
01:38:44.399 --> 01:38:44.760
Yeah.

2371
01:38:44.880 --> 01:38:48.720
And then at the end of the season, we're just going to send the

2372
01:38:48.720 --> 01:38:53.100
signals for us to then find at the start of the season.

2373
01:38:53.159 --> 01:38:55.079
Oh, I'm getting bosside.

2374
01:38:55.140 --> 01:38:55.560
Yeah.

2375
01:38:55.560 --> 01:38:57.180
I mean, Baselwick's position.

2376
01:38:57.239 --> 01:38:59.039
It's absolutely how it works.

2377
01:38:59.159 --> 01:39:00.779
AI sausage.

2378
01:39:01.199 --> 01:39:04.500
So what is the season actually about?

2379
01:39:04.560 --> 01:39:08.100
It is about, it is about going to the film.

2380
01:39:08.220 --> 01:39:09.479
Jumping to the future.

2381
01:39:09.539 --> 01:39:10.800
That's all it's about.

2382
01:39:10.859 --> 01:39:12.359
Well, at least they had a goal.

2383
01:39:12.479 --> 01:39:16.079
Although we have fun while it lasts, but essentially the arc is

2384
01:39:16.079 --> 01:39:17.039
kind of a bit cramp.

2385
01:39:17.100 --> 01:39:19.560
Yeah. fun and a lot of tears.

2386
01:39:19.619 --> 01:39:20.640
Yeah, yeah.

2387
01:39:20.699 --> 01:39:21.359
I like that.

2388
01:39:21.420 --> 01:39:22.920
I like that in my Star Trek.

2389
01:39:22.979 --> 01:39:24.000
I wanna be made to cry.

2390
01:39:24.119 --> 01:39:25.619
And I also want to be made.

2391
01:39:25.739 --> 01:39:28.560
I like Emperor Giorgio with a big gun.

2392
01:39:28.560 --> 01:39:30.000
Oh, yeah.

2393
01:39:30.000 --> 01:39:31.739
You buy an incredibly hot guy.

2394
01:39:31.859 --> 01:39:32.640
Like, come on.

2395
01:39:32.699 --> 01:39:34.140
Josh, you wait.

2396
01:39:34.199 --> 01:39:34.800
It's so cool.

2397
01:39:35.340 --> 01:39:38.159
And she magnetises him.

2398
01:39:39.420 --> 01:39:40.920
So good.

2399
01:39:41.039 --> 01:39:43.560
That's all set up in a previous episode too.

2400
01:39:43.619 --> 01:39:47.460
We did see someone else who was full of the nanobots.

2401
01:39:47.520 --> 01:39:51.659
In fact, I think Giorgio alluded to him when she came in and saw

2402
01:39:51.659 --> 01:39:53.220
Michael for the 1st time last episode.

2403
01:39:53.279 --> 01:39:58.199
So this is very much Katrina aware that she's about to die, I

2404
01:39:58.199 --> 01:39:58.319
think.

2405
01:39:58.380 --> 01:39:59.880
Well, they just murder her already.

2406
01:39:59.939 --> 01:40:01.020
They're milking this a bit.

2407
01:40:01.079 --> 01:40:04.739
Yeah, but again, like, we have to give, like, I think someone

2408
01:40:04.739 --> 01:40:05.760
needs to die.

2409
01:40:05.819 --> 01:40:06.960
Do you know what I mean?

2410
01:40:07.020 --> 01:40:08.880
Like, I think someone probably needs to die.

2411
01:40:08.939 --> 01:40:10.199
No one else does, do they?

2412
01:40:10.260 --> 01:40:11.039
Does anyone else die?

2413
01:40:11.100 --> 01:40:13.859
To be honest, Nathan, you know, I have watched this entire

2414
01:40:13.859 --> 01:40:14.399
season.

2415
01:40:14.460 --> 01:40:16.920
I didn't even remember who that character was.

2416
01:40:16.979 --> 01:40:21.840
Don't you remember the scene in series one where she's in bed with

2417
01:40:21.840 --> 01:40:23.520
Jason Isaacs?

2418
01:40:23.579 --> 01:40:28.380
She's in bed with Lorker and she sees that he's got in bed and she

2419
01:40:28.380 --> 01:40:29.699
goes, what the fuck are you doing?

2420
01:40:29.760 --> 01:40:32.880
Like, why are you sleeping with a gun under your pillow?

2421
01:40:32.939 --> 01:40:34.439
Because she had a...

2422
01:40:34.500 --> 01:40:35.579
I mean, she's got some senses.

2423
01:40:35.579 --> 01:40:36.899
She's fucking Jason Isaacs.

2424
01:40:37.020 --> 01:40:39.000
Well, yeah, yeah, but she had an original.

2425
01:40:39.060 --> 01:40:42.119
She had a relationship with original law car, and then she's

2426
01:40:42.119 --> 01:40:45.180
having sex with mirror locker and realises something's gone

2427
01:40:45.180 --> 01:40:45.720
horribly wrong.

2428
01:40:45.779 --> 01:40:48.300
Oh, look.

2429
01:40:48.359 --> 01:40:49.140
Look.

2430
01:40:49.560 --> 01:40:54.060
Oh, and this, now we're going into the future together.

2431
01:40:54.119 --> 01:40:55.199
Yeah?

2432
01:40:55.260 --> 01:41:00.539
Um, I, like I kind of, I like this because it's not just the

2433
01:41:00.539 --> 01:41:01.140
medical thing.

2434
01:41:01.199 --> 01:41:02.220
It is their relationship.

2435
01:41:02.279 --> 01:41:06.659
You know, it's their relationship and also, like, there's that

2436
01:41:06.659 --> 01:41:09.119
thing, listen to my voice, you can follow my voice.

2437
01:41:09.180 --> 01:41:12.479
Yeah, and hear they're finishing that conversation from the 1st

2438
01:41:12.479 --> 01:41:13.199
episode.

2439
01:41:13.680 --> 01:41:17.880
I do love the fact that they are tying up all this nonsense.

2440
01:41:18.420 --> 01:41:20.399
Yeah, they have to do that.

2441
01:41:20.460 --> 01:41:23.880
And it, like, so the relationship between Ash and Burnham, which

2442
01:41:23.880 --> 01:41:27.239
was had stopped, you know, they get to have a massive snog on the

2443
01:41:27.239 --> 01:41:29.520
way out because why don't, why wouldn't they?

2444
01:41:29.579 --> 01:41:30.779
They're both incredibly hot.

2445
01:41:30.840 --> 01:41:32.340
Now we have these two.

2446
01:41:32.399 --> 01:41:35.039
Go with them, that character.

2447
01:41:35.100 --> 01:41:38.039
Was it because they wanted to give her another romantic interest?

2448
01:41:38.100 --> 01:41:41.460
I think so But in story, it is that he wants to stay behind with

2449
01:41:41.460 --> 01:41:44.460
section 31 to make sure nothing like control can ever happen

2450
01:41:44.460 --> 01:41:44.880
again.

2451
01:41:44.880 --> 01:41:47.699
And he actually, when he's being interviewed, when he's being

2452
01:41:47.699 --> 01:41:51.180
debriefed at the end of the episode, he makes it clear that he's

2453
01:41:51.180 --> 01:41:52.079
concerned about that.

2454
01:41:52.260 --> 01:41:56.699
It's certainly not as egregious as ditching half the cast in

2455
01:41:56.699 --> 01:41:57.960
Picard series too.

2456
01:41:58.020 --> 01:41:58.739
Yeah, yeah.

2457
01:41:58.800 --> 01:41:59.939
Oh, look.

2458
01:42:00.000 --> 01:42:02.760
Oh, Hugh had a bit of a cry.

2459
01:42:02.819 --> 01:42:04.920
We're going together.

2460
01:42:04.979 --> 01:42:06.420
All right, here we go.

2461
01:42:06.479 --> 01:42:12.720
So now we get to see her go back in time and so she can only, but

2462
01:42:12.720 --> 01:42:14.279
she can only go, oh, there we go.

2463
01:42:14.340 --> 01:42:15.239
That's the explosion.

2464
01:42:15.300 --> 01:42:16.859
That means that he never gets to go home.

2465
01:42:17.640 --> 01:42:21.300
So he doesn't go with them because of this explosion.

2466
01:42:21.359 --> 01:42:23.159
He can't get back to discovery now.

2467
01:42:23.220 --> 01:42:25.439
What caused the explosion?

2468
01:42:25.500 --> 01:42:28.260
Because they're in a battle and people are firing shit at each

2469
01:42:28.260 --> 01:42:28.920
other all the time.

2470
01:42:28.979 --> 01:42:30.899
So it's just a straight thing. will happen.

2471
01:42:30.899 --> 01:42:32.159
Yeah, that'll happen.

2472
01:42:32.340 --> 01:42:36.960
So this doesn't this looks incredible.

2473
01:42:37.020 --> 01:42:39.539
That suit has got enormous wings.

2474
01:42:39.659 --> 01:42:41.520
It's wonderful. an angel.

2475
01:42:41.579 --> 01:42:43.619
I just think the iconography is so great.

2476
01:42:43.680 --> 01:42:48.239
But then what happens is this wormhole opens in the surface of the

2477
01:42:48.239 --> 01:42:52.859
universe. makes the universe too dimensional.

2478
01:42:52.920 --> 01:42:57.899
And so we go sideways and we see that the universe is just a like

2479
01:42:57.899 --> 01:42:59.520
a piece of paper.

2480
01:42:59.579 --> 01:43:01.079
Look at the ship flat.

2481
01:43:01.140 --> 01:43:02.279
Do you know what I mean?

2482
01:43:02.340 --> 01:43:04.199
So it's another dimension.

2483
01:43:04.260 --> 01:43:07.020
I think it's so imaginative and so different from anything we've

2484
01:43:07.020 --> 01:43:07.500
ever seen.

2485
01:43:07.739 --> 01:43:11.699
That is what they would have done with the wormhole in DS9 if they

2486
01:43:11.699 --> 01:43:11.939
could have.

2487
01:43:12.000 --> 01:43:13.199
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

2488
01:43:13.319 --> 01:43:15.000
This I thought was amazing.

2489
01:43:15.060 --> 01:43:17.640
It's such a simple effect is that they've got her standing there

2490
01:43:17.640 --> 01:43:19.979
and they're literally firing sparks at her.

2491
01:43:20.039 --> 01:43:23.279
Well, I think they do eat slow motion. falling down on top of the

2492
01:43:23.279 --> 01:43:24.180
camera or something.

2493
01:43:24.239 --> 01:43:25.140
But yeah, yeah, yeah.

2494
01:43:25.199 --> 01:43:25.680
Yeah.

2495
01:43:25.739 --> 01:43:30.300
And every single one that hits her, there's a sound effect, almost

2496
01:43:30.300 --> 01:43:31.380
like breaking glass.

2497
01:43:31.439 --> 01:43:34.380
So it feels like a dramatic assault.

2498
01:43:34.439 --> 01:43:36.840
Yeah, yeah, it's really great. isn't it?

2499
01:43:36.899 --> 01:43:40.020
Yeah, it's so imaginative, so interesting visually.

2500
01:43:40.199 --> 01:43:42.899
And the music here as well was great.

2501
01:43:42.960 --> 01:43:45.060
I mean, the music's always great.

2502
01:43:45.119 --> 01:43:48.300
It's really good in Kurtzman Trek generally, but on discovery

2503
01:43:48.300 --> 01:43:49.020
particularly.

2504
01:43:50.699 --> 01:43:53.220
She's screaming around.

2505
01:43:53.279 --> 01:43:53.699
Yeah, yeah.

2506
01:43:53.760 --> 01:43:54.300
Look at that.

2507
01:43:54.359 --> 01:43:55.079
I can see her feelings.

2508
01:43:55.380 --> 01:43:56.819
Right.

2509
01:43:56.880 --> 01:43:58.079
And where is she emerging to?

2510
01:43:58.140 --> 01:43:59.699
Is she going to Terelysium first?

2511
01:43:59.760 --> 01:44:02.760
Yeah, look at the look of wonder on her face now.

2512
01:44:03.239 --> 01:44:07.020
Ah, that, look at that.

2513
01:44:07.079 --> 01:44:08.760
Just stunning.

2514
01:44:08.819 --> 01:44:12.659
And through that hole and again, you know, the stripes, the whole

2515
01:44:12.659 --> 01:44:13.319
look of it.

2516
01:44:14.399 --> 01:44:16.020
Incredible.

2517
01:44:16.079 --> 01:44:17.520
It's beautiful.

2518
01:44:17.579 --> 01:44:18.060
Yeah.

2519
01:44:18.119 --> 01:44:20.939
And all done without dialogue.

2520
01:44:21.000 --> 01:44:23.880
You're just expected to figure out what's happening.

2521
01:44:24.420 --> 01:44:29.760
And this is the 1st episode, I think, right?

2522
01:44:29.819 --> 01:44:32.699
I think that this is the 1st episode.

2523
01:44:32.760 --> 01:44:38.939
Um, And she encounters the, so this is the ruins of a spaceship

2524
01:44:38.939 --> 01:44:39.840
the Hiawatha.

2525
01:44:39.899 --> 01:44:41.039
Yeah, there it is.

2526
01:44:41.100 --> 01:44:45.060
Um, And she is actually saved.

2527
01:44:45.119 --> 01:44:46.680
We're introduced to Jet Reno.

2528
01:44:46.739 --> 01:44:49.920
She's actually saved by herself.

2529
01:44:51.119 --> 01:44:53.760
I, yeah, do you know what else I was watching?

2530
01:44:53.880 --> 01:44:56.039
I wasn't too sure what was happening in this.

2531
01:44:56.100 --> 01:44:58.319
But all of this relied on your memory.

2532
01:44:58.380 --> 01:44:58.800
Yeah.

2533
01:44:58.859 --> 01:45:01.140
We're going back to previous episodes.

2534
01:45:01.199 --> 01:45:02.100
Watch the season through.

2535
01:45:02.100 --> 01:45:02.520
Exactly.

2536
01:45:02.579 --> 01:45:03.720
Then all this would make sense.

2537
01:45:03.779 --> 01:45:05.520
And it would be great.

2538
01:45:05.579 --> 01:45:06.420
Do you know what I mean?

2539
01:45:06.479 --> 01:45:10.859
Because we were wondering what that was all season, and now we

2540
01:45:10.859 --> 01:45:14.100
actually see it resolve, and we can see that it's her face.

2541
01:45:14.159 --> 01:45:15.960
We didn't get to see that before.

2542
01:45:16.020 --> 01:45:18.119
And then the scale changes.

2543
01:45:18.180 --> 01:45:20.520
Like she disappears and seems to get smaller to go through the

2544
01:45:20.520 --> 01:45:20.819
hole.

2545
01:45:20.939 --> 01:45:23.460
The way she goes from place to place.

2546
01:45:23.520 --> 01:45:27.420
It's just that effect of like the lasers in a row coming around.

2547
01:45:27.479 --> 01:45:28.560
It's so simple.

2548
01:45:28.680 --> 01:45:30.180
It's really terrific.

2549
01:45:30.239 --> 01:45:32.279
So now we're on Terrelysium.

2550
01:45:32.279 --> 01:45:35.460
And we had to save these people, remember?

2551
01:45:35.520 --> 01:45:40.619
Like there were a small group of people, like in what looked like

2552
01:45:40.619 --> 01:45:41.819
earth.

2553
01:45:41.880 --> 01:45:42.840
Do you know what I mean?

2554
01:45:42.899 --> 01:45:46.020
But they're here from the past and it was a, that was an oddball

2555
01:45:46.020 --> 01:45:46.619
episode.

2556
01:45:46.800 --> 01:45:54.539
And they were brought there by the signal left by the angel, which

2557
01:45:54.539 --> 01:45:55.560
is what she's doing now.

2558
01:45:55.619 --> 01:45:57.119
So good.

2559
01:45:57.359 --> 01:45:59.279
We...

2560
01:45:59.520 --> 01:46:03.300
So if I went back and watched the entirety of season two

2561
01:46:03.300 --> 01:46:05.760
everything I've just seen in the last couple of minutes there.

2562
01:46:05.760 --> 01:46:07.979
I see in various episodes.

2563
01:46:08.039 --> 01:46:10.380
That's the crumbs that led them here.

2564
01:46:10.439 --> 01:46:10.800
Okay.

2565
01:46:10.859 --> 01:46:11.399
Yeah.

2566
01:46:11.460 --> 01:46:14.640
But you are right, though, out of context.

2567
01:46:14.699 --> 01:46:16.739
It is it's baffling. baffling.

2568
01:46:16.800 --> 01:46:17.399
Yeah.

2569
01:46:17.460 --> 01:46:17.880
Yeah.

2570
01:46:17.880 --> 01:46:19.739
I had enough memory.

2571
01:46:19.739 --> 01:46:21.720
You're not really supposed to watch this out of context.

2572
01:46:21.779 --> 01:46:23.100
No, you're so soft all of this.

2573
01:46:23.159 --> 01:46:25.260
It's a streaming show where you watch.

2574
01:46:25.319 --> 01:46:26.100
That's right.

2575
01:46:26.159 --> 01:46:27.539
Yeah, that's absolutely it.

2576
01:46:27.600 --> 01:46:31.680
And I think TV's more on the premise of our podcast.

2577
01:46:31.680 --> 01:46:33.180
The hampers us here.

2578
01:46:33.239 --> 01:46:36.659
It is that we're doing it randomly and that works very well when

2579
01:46:36.659 --> 01:46:40.260
it's syndicated because that's how it's designed to be watched, but

2580
01:46:40.260 --> 01:46:42.000
this is not designed.

2581
01:46:42.060 --> 01:46:44.520
The game didn't require anything.

2582
01:46:44.579 --> 01:46:46.260
Could have been any episode.

2583
01:46:46.979 --> 01:46:50.100
Oh, could we go back to your show, please?

2584
01:46:50.159 --> 01:46:51.779
Yeah, what's telling though?

2585
01:46:51.840 --> 01:46:53.039
My God, please.

2586
01:46:53.039 --> 01:46:55.020
Rocks flying across the floor.

2587
01:46:56.460 --> 01:46:58.859
Oh, the gravity is failing.

2588
01:46:58.920 --> 01:46:59.399
That's why.

2589
01:46:59.699 --> 01:47:01.439
This is amazing.

2590
01:47:01.500 --> 01:47:02.520
So look at the rocks.

2591
01:47:02.699 --> 01:47:07.920
The rocks all hit the side and now Giorgio is crawling up the

2592
01:47:07.920 --> 01:47:08.460
walls.

2593
01:47:08.520 --> 01:47:09.899
Karate Kid.

2594
01:47:10.319 --> 01:47:14.939
What's clearly happening is that this bit of corridor is on

2595
01:47:14.939 --> 01:47:15.720
gimbals?

2596
01:47:15.840 --> 01:47:20.399
and is rotating around and the camera is fixed.

2597
01:47:20.460 --> 01:47:22.800
Isn't it happening on the roof?

2598
01:47:22.859 --> 01:47:25.319
That's higher than right there. falling down.

2599
01:47:25.380 --> 01:47:27.479
I just thought it was just clever camera work.

2600
01:47:27.539 --> 01:47:30.539
No, no, they're very clearly that that's turning around.

2601
01:47:30.600 --> 01:47:32.819
It's why it's all shot in that corridor.

2602
01:47:32.880 --> 01:47:36.060
The corridor is literally turning around, but the camera's turning

2603
01:47:36.060 --> 01:47:36.479
with us.

2604
01:47:36.539 --> 01:47:37.319
That's amazing.

2605
01:47:37.319 --> 01:47:40.020
It looks incredible. amazing.

2606
01:47:40.079 --> 01:47:40.739
Oh, man.

2607
01:47:40.800 --> 01:47:43.680
I just can't get over these moving rocks I'm so sorry.

2608
01:47:44.279 --> 01:47:48.600
Never mind the actual choreography of the fire. isn't it?

2609
01:47:48.659 --> 01:47:51.659
Oh, she's so fucking cool.

2610
01:47:51.720 --> 01:47:53.460
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

2611
01:47:53.520 --> 01:47:54.420
Amazing.

2612
01:47:54.479 --> 01:47:55.079
Look at her.

2613
01:47:55.140 --> 01:47:57.000
She's going up against...

2614
01:47:57.060 --> 01:47:58.619
He's technically a robot, isn't he?

2615
01:47:58.680 --> 01:48:00.000
Nanobots, whatever you want to call it.

2616
01:48:00.060 --> 01:48:01.020
She's full of little robots.

2617
01:48:01.079 --> 01:48:03.119
She's not a match for him.

2618
01:48:03.180 --> 01:48:03.720
Yeah.

2619
01:48:03.779 --> 01:48:06.479
Although she's getting the shit beaten out of it right now.

2620
01:48:06.539 --> 01:48:10.800
Just the fact that they found a way of making the rocks fly

2621
01:48:10.920 --> 01:48:12.600
wonderful, isn't it?

2622
01:48:12.899 --> 01:48:14.819
Oh, look at his face.

2623
01:48:14.819 --> 01:48:16.380
Yeah, shot him in the face.

2624
01:48:16.439 --> 01:48:17.520
Good for her.

2625
01:48:18.539 --> 01:48:22.140
Get to engineering, I magnetise the bitch.

2626
01:48:22.979 --> 01:48:25.380
Oh, look at these fixing it.

2627
01:48:25.439 --> 01:48:26.039
That's great.

2628
01:48:26.159 --> 01:48:27.600
He's really good.

2629
01:48:27.720 --> 01:48:29.460
And back to her.

2630
01:48:29.520 --> 01:48:32.699
She's going to Camenada set the next signal.

2631
01:48:32.760 --> 01:48:35.760
When does Giorgio leave the show?

2632
01:48:35.880 --> 01:48:36.960
Is it four or three?

2633
01:48:37.079 --> 01:48:39.960
Um, halfway through three?

2634
01:48:40.560 --> 01:48:44.399
in... four?

2635
01:48:44.460 --> 01:48:45.359
I can't remember actually.

2636
01:48:45.420 --> 01:48:48.300
Is it because Michelle Yeo has some Oscars to win?

2637
01:48:48.359 --> 01:48:48.840
Yeah, yeah.

2638
01:48:48.899 --> 01:48:50.579
So it's a beer universe thing.

2639
01:48:50.640 --> 01:48:53.760
It's the guy and the Guardian of Forever takes her to the Mirror

2640
01:48:53.760 --> 01:48:58.020
of Universe and we see the Guardian of Forever, you know, but in

2641
01:48:58.020 --> 01:49:00.720
in sort of weird modern Star Trek.

2642
01:49:00.840 --> 01:49:01.380
Look at that.

2643
01:49:01.680 --> 01:49:03.899
Yeah, it's pretty good.

2644
01:49:03.960 --> 01:49:06.180
It's a 2 part, it's a sort of weird 2 partner.

2645
01:49:06.300 --> 01:49:08.699
Was it because she had movies?

2646
01:49:08.760 --> 01:49:09.420
Yeah, yeah.

2647
01:49:09.479 --> 01:49:09.840
Yeah.

2648
01:49:09.899 --> 01:49:12.420
Yeah, we were lucky to have her as long as we did.

2649
01:49:12.479 --> 01:49:15.840
No, we were, and she just became huge, and it was crazy rich

2650
01:49:15.840 --> 01:49:18.539
Asians, and then obviously everything everywhere all at once.

2651
01:49:18.779 --> 01:49:20.520
I mean, she's always done movies.

2652
01:49:20.579 --> 01:49:22.199
She's a bond girl, as you know.

2653
01:49:22.560 --> 01:49:25.859
I mean, the casting on this is great.

2654
01:49:25.920 --> 01:49:30.300
But man, that was some prestige casting, brilliant, Michelle

2655
01:49:30.300 --> 01:49:30.539
yeah.

2656
01:49:30.600 --> 01:49:34.140
Well, that incredible opening scene of Star Trek Discovery, where

2657
01:49:34.140 --> 01:49:37.800
it's 2 women of colour...

2658
01:49:37.920 --> 01:49:41.159
On the desert planet, just talking about their relationship and

2659
01:49:41.159 --> 01:49:43.739
stuff and saying this is what we're doing in Star Trek going

2660
01:49:43.739 --> 01:49:43.979
forward.

2661
01:49:44.159 --> 01:49:48.479
I can remember watching that. and being so upset when they killed

2662
01:49:48.479 --> 01:49:48.960
her off.

2663
01:49:49.020 --> 01:49:50.100
Yeah, yeah.

2664
01:49:50.159 --> 01:49:51.539
Pretty good, isn't it?

2665
01:49:51.600 --> 01:49:53.039
Little did I know.

2666
01:49:53.100 --> 01:49:54.119
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

2667
01:49:54.180 --> 01:49:56.699
All right, now we're saying goodbye to Admiral Katrina.

2668
01:49:56.760 --> 01:49:58.439
She's still alive.

2669
01:49:58.439 --> 01:50:01.380
She's about to, they're about to blow her up.

2670
01:50:01.439 --> 01:50:04.319
Will you die already, Apple?

2671
01:50:04.380 --> 01:50:05.579
I loved her, though.

2672
01:50:05.640 --> 01:50:06.180
She was great.

2673
01:50:06.239 --> 01:50:10.319
It was nice having an older woman and a nice admiral who we liked

2674
01:50:10.319 --> 01:50:10.800
you know.

2675
01:50:10.859 --> 01:50:12.899
The best admiral's still in a chair, though.

2676
01:50:12.960 --> 01:50:13.979
She is pretty great.

2677
01:50:14.039 --> 01:50:16.500
Anyone that could emasculate Picard that much.

2678
01:50:16.560 --> 01:50:18.119
Katrina is pretty good as well.

2679
01:50:18.359 --> 01:50:21.000
Look, this is just going out.

2680
01:50:21.060 --> 01:50:22.500
It crazy, isn't it?

2681
01:50:22.800 --> 01:50:24.479
Klingon chips.

2682
01:50:25.260 --> 01:50:27.539
I thought my chocolate shit would be bloodless.

2683
01:50:28.680 --> 01:50:31.920
Oh, now they're all talking in Klingonese.

2684
01:50:31.979 --> 01:50:33.180
That's what we want.

2685
01:50:33.239 --> 01:50:33.779
Yep.

2686
01:50:33.840 --> 01:50:35.039
No, it's not.

2687
01:50:35.100 --> 01:50:36.659
I wanted to hear.

2688
01:50:36.720 --> 01:50:42.779
I wanted to hear I did want to hear him speak in Klingon.

2689
01:50:42.840 --> 01:50:46.500
I wanted to hear Shazad speaking Klingon just one last time, I

2690
01:50:46.500 --> 01:50:46.680
think.

2691
01:50:46.680 --> 01:50:48.420
I'll tell you what up over me.

2692
01:50:48.420 --> 01:50:49.380
Very quickly.

2693
01:50:49.380 --> 01:50:52.619
Was because I would just that was the 1st scene, wasn't it?

2694
01:50:52.680 --> 01:50:55.079
Was the Klingon talking in all that Klingonese.

2695
01:50:55.140 --> 01:50:59.159
I could just imagine a non-Star Trek or a non-science fiction fan

2696
01:50:59.159 --> 01:51:02.039
switching on and going, no, and just turning it off.

2697
01:51:02.100 --> 01:51:03.539
It is a pretty great.

2698
01:51:03.600 --> 01:51:06.840
But again, it's less long than you think and remember that speech

2699
01:51:06.840 --> 01:51:09.960
does end with English where he says...

2700
01:51:10.079 --> 01:51:11.159
It all feels long to me.

2701
01:51:11.220 --> 01:51:16.319
And lie, we come in peace and he says it in English because it's

2702
01:51:16.319 --> 01:51:17.640
what the Federation say.

2703
01:51:17.640 --> 01:51:21.659
And I thought it was really good, you know, to see a proper alien

2704
01:51:21.659 --> 01:51:25.619
hostile alien kind of feeling about what the Federation is to

2705
01:51:25.619 --> 01:51:27.720
start the episode off to see it from the outside.

2706
01:51:27.779 --> 01:51:30.539
Yeah, I must watch that 1st series again.

2707
01:51:30.600 --> 01:51:34.739
I must go back and have a look So Michael's now back.

2708
01:51:34.800 --> 01:51:37.500
She's back from setting up series two.

2709
01:51:39.119 --> 01:51:41.039
Thank you, Michael.

2710
01:51:41.100 --> 01:51:44.699
We've ticked all the boxes and we said our goodbyes.

2711
01:51:44.760 --> 01:51:45.659
We can now go to the future.

2712
01:51:45.720 --> 01:51:47.279
Now we're going to the future.

2713
01:51:47.340 --> 01:51:52.500
So we're setting, we tear Elysium 930 years into the future.

2714
01:51:52.800 --> 01:51:58.500
So was the red herring then that we thought that the signals was

2715
01:51:58.500 --> 01:51:58.800
her mother?

2716
01:51:58.859 --> 01:51:59.939
Okay.

2717
01:51:59.939 --> 01:52:01.800
But she was nothing in the end.

2718
01:52:01.859 --> 01:52:06.239
But her mother was trying to say, like, you know, obviously gets

2719
01:52:06.239 --> 01:52:12.060
the thing here, but she's trying to fix it and can't from where

2720
01:52:12.060 --> 01:52:12.539
she is.

2721
01:52:12.600 --> 01:52:15.479
So it's a thing.

2722
01:52:15.539 --> 01:52:20.039
So she sets the 6th signal to help them find their way through.

2723
01:52:20.100 --> 01:52:25.020
And then there's a 7th signal yet to be left behind and she will

2724
01:52:25.020 --> 01:52:28.319
talk about it in that long interminable conversation with Spock

2725
01:52:28.319 --> 01:52:30.060
that's about to come.

2726
01:52:30.359 --> 01:52:34.380
Yeah, I mean, I had to I mean, to be fair, I've had more than

2727
01:52:34.380 --> 01:52:38.640
enough action, so I'll give them, you know, one of these. been a

2728
01:52:38.640 --> 01:52:39.539
lot of action, isn't it?

2729
01:52:39.539 --> 01:52:40.199
It's pretty terrible.

2730
01:52:40.260 --> 01:52:42.840
Oh, this is the best stuff, though.

2731
01:52:42.960 --> 01:52:45.060
Michelle being choked.

2732
01:52:45.119 --> 01:52:47.760
She's covered in blood Kick him in the head.

2733
01:52:47.819 --> 01:52:49.500
Kick him in the head, Michelle.

2734
01:52:49.560 --> 01:52:50.939
Is it the head or is it the nuts?

2735
01:52:51.000 --> 01:52:52.199
I can't remember.

2736
01:52:52.680 --> 01:52:55.859
He hasn't got nuts, really. nanobots.

2737
01:52:55.920 --> 01:52:57.300
Well, they're full of nanobots.

2738
01:52:57.359 --> 01:53:00.720
They're still there, but they're swarming with nanobots.

2739
01:53:00.779 --> 01:53:01.680
That's it.

2740
01:53:01.739 --> 01:53:02.340
Go on, girl.

2741
01:53:02.399 --> 01:53:03.300
Right.

2742
01:53:03.359 --> 01:53:04.859
He's trap.

2743
01:53:06.119 --> 01:53:08.399
I was really great.

2744
01:53:08.460 --> 01:53:10.319
He goes, you really think you can keep me in here?

2745
01:53:10.380 --> 01:53:13.020
He starts smashing the windows and you're thinking...

2746
01:53:13.020 --> 01:53:16.020
It's really properly missing. is kind of scary, isn't he?

2747
01:53:16.079 --> 01:53:17.640
Like he's physically intimidating.

2748
01:53:17.699 --> 01:53:20.699
Yeah, do you think this cage will hold me?

2749
01:53:20.760 --> 01:53:21.119
Look at him.

2750
01:53:21.180 --> 01:53:23.460
He looks right.

2751
01:53:23.579 --> 01:53:25.140
It's amazing doesn't it?

2752
01:53:25.619 --> 01:53:28.680
a look of complete glee on her face. so happy.

2753
01:53:28.739 --> 01:53:29.340
That's it.

2754
01:53:29.399 --> 01:53:31.260
That's why we need her.

2755
01:53:31.319 --> 01:53:33.239
I want to hear you scream.

2756
01:53:35.039 --> 01:53:36.779
It's great.

2757
01:53:36.840 --> 01:53:38.880
So why does she decide?

2758
01:53:38.880 --> 01:53:40.260
She has to stay behind.

2759
01:53:40.319 --> 01:53:43.680
I can't really remember 90 seconds. still alive.

2760
01:53:43.739 --> 01:53:45.359
Yeah, but this is her last scene.

2761
01:53:45.420 --> 01:53:46.439
She'll go.

2762
01:53:46.500 --> 01:53:47.399
Oh, thank goodness.

2763
01:53:47.939 --> 01:53:49.619
That was it.

2764
01:53:49.680 --> 01:53:52.739
She spotted the, that was how that last scene ended with her

2765
01:53:52.739 --> 01:53:56.100
spotting the control for the emergency bulkhead release or

2766
01:53:56.100 --> 01:53:56.399
whatever.

2767
01:53:57.300 --> 01:53:59.760
I've been watching it count up.

2768
01:53:59.880 --> 01:54:03.300
We couldn't go without one last sacrifice, could we?

2769
01:54:03.359 --> 01:54:04.199
Yeah, I think so.

2770
01:54:04.260 --> 01:54:06.119
And that's quite good, I think.

2771
01:54:06.420 --> 01:54:10.920
And look, this isn't where your story ends. and I think you know

2772
01:54:10.920 --> 01:54:11.279
that.

2773
01:54:11.340 --> 01:54:14.939
And he knows that, of course, because he's seen the time Crystal

2774
01:54:14.939 --> 01:54:17.819
on Borath tell him where his story really ends.

2775
01:54:17.819 --> 01:54:21.479
And now he's saying, oh, well, if my story really ends there, then

2776
01:54:21.479 --> 01:54:24.779
I could just stay here and it can't possibly go off because I know

2777
01:54:24.779 --> 01:54:26.279
where my story ends.

2778
01:54:26.340 --> 01:54:27.600
But it doesn't matter.

2779
01:54:27.720 --> 01:54:29.880
I mean that has a great sort of logic to it.

2780
01:54:30.359 --> 01:54:33.359
Yeah, that's pretty good, isn't it?

2781
01:54:33.420 --> 01:54:36.119
Whatever your path may be, you can handle it.

2782
01:54:36.239 --> 01:54:40.319
Thank you, thank you. find a way to keep her on in series 2 where

2783
01:54:40.319 --> 01:54:43.319
she was very definitely associated with Lorca but she does have a

2784
01:54:43.319 --> 01:54:45.479
relationship of some kind with Chris here.

2785
01:54:45.539 --> 01:54:47.579
Yeah, there we go.

2786
01:54:47.640 --> 01:54:49.199
Good old Katrina.

2787
01:54:49.260 --> 01:54:52.079
Obviously, they're not taking her into the future with them.

2788
01:54:52.140 --> 01:54:52.439
No.

2789
01:54:52.439 --> 01:54:53.579
Yeah.

2790
01:54:53.640 --> 01:54:58.619
Go on, Captain Pike. fabulous series to get to. but he doesn't

2791
01:54:58.619 --> 01:54:59.220
know that yet.

2792
01:54:59.279 --> 01:55:03.479
At the moment, he's just going to be in the pilot of Star Trek.

2793
01:55:03.539 --> 01:55:05.579
He's, um...

2794
01:55:05.579 --> 01:55:09.060
He's on the planet, isn't he, in the 1st episode of Strange New

2795
01:55:09.060 --> 01:55:09.420
Wales?

2796
01:55:09.479 --> 01:55:10.439
He's sort of retired.

2797
01:55:10.500 --> 01:55:14.340
Yeah, because he's been to Borath and he's discovered what he's

2798
01:55:14.340 --> 01:55:17.819
that's why he doesn't want to go back because he knows how he's

2799
01:55:17.819 --> 01:55:20.699
going to die and that's him reacting to that.

2800
01:55:20.760 --> 01:55:24.840
So, uh, Everybody go and listen to that on Title Star Trek

2801
01:55:24.840 --> 01:55:25.199
episode.

2802
01:55:25.260 --> 01:55:27.239
We had a wonderful time discussing that.

2803
01:55:27.300 --> 01:55:31.260
There is another link between this and that episode.

2804
01:55:31.319 --> 01:55:34.439
So that 1st episode of Strange New Worlds is called Strange New

2805
01:55:34.439 --> 01:55:38.460
Worlds. and we watched it when it was the only episode of Strange

2806
01:55:38.460 --> 01:55:39.600
New Worlds available.

2807
01:55:39.659 --> 01:55:42.779
And it is a pretty incredible episode, but we'll talk about the

2808
01:55:42.779 --> 01:55:47.760
image that appears because there is a flashback to this episode at

2809
01:55:47.760 --> 01:55:49.319
the beginning of Strange New World.

2810
01:55:49.380 --> 01:55:51.539
You know what's funny, right?

2811
01:55:51.600 --> 01:55:56.100
Obviously, Detma and Owo were just brought in to be sort of bridge

2812
01:55:56.100 --> 01:55:56.699
crew members.

2813
01:55:56.819 --> 01:55:58.619
They do all the exposition and action bits.

2814
01:55:58.680 --> 01:55:59.039
Yeah.

2815
01:55:59.100 --> 01:56:02.579
But as time goes on, we do get more time with them, don't we?

2816
01:56:02.640 --> 01:56:04.439
And we learn a bit more about them.

2817
01:56:04.500 --> 01:56:08.340
They get minor character arcs, but enough, yeah?

2818
01:56:08.399 --> 01:56:12.840
But they still get more than actual regulars in Enterprise, Hoshi

2819
01:56:12.840 --> 01:56:13.800
and Mayweather.

2820
01:56:13.859 --> 01:56:15.239
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

2821
01:56:15.300 --> 01:56:18.899
Yeah, even the characters designed as minor characters in

2822
01:56:18.899 --> 01:56:19.979
Discovery get more.

2823
01:56:20.100 --> 01:56:23.159
Like, I think that there's a tension between the way that

2824
01:56:23.159 --> 01:56:26.279
discovery is set up where the main character is Michael and then

2825
01:56:26.279 --> 01:56:28.979
the other characters are Stammets and Tilly and stuff and they're

2826
01:56:28.979 --> 01:56:29.640
not particularly important.

2827
01:56:29.699 --> 01:56:32.460
They're not the bridge crew and they're not the people who meet in

2828
01:56:32.460 --> 01:56:35.340
the observation lounge to discuss this week's space problem.

2829
01:56:35.399 --> 01:56:40.680
And eventually we move sort of closer to that idea of the show.

2830
01:56:40.739 --> 01:56:44.579
By four, it was going very much. in that direction.

2831
01:56:44.640 --> 01:56:47.699
What it does do is it gives us the impression that are a lot of

2832
01:56:47.699 --> 01:56:48.359
people on the ship.

2833
01:56:48.420 --> 01:56:51.659
It's not like Voyager where sometimes you kind of feel there's 8

2834
01:56:51.659 --> 01:56:53.279
people here and that's all.

2835
01:56:54.060 --> 01:56:57.960
And so this is their big tearful goodbye.

2836
01:56:58.020 --> 01:57:03.239
And in a way, he's old Trek, and she's new Trek, and even the way

2837
01:57:03.239 --> 01:57:04.560
it looks, do you know what I mean?

2838
01:57:04.619 --> 01:57:07.979
Where he's soft lighting, he's got a beard, he's a white man.

2839
01:57:08.039 --> 01:57:11.699
She's the weird blue science fiction lighting, and she's a

2840
01:57:11.699 --> 01:57:12.720
beautiful black woman.

2841
01:57:12.779 --> 01:57:16.319
Like, it's, it's separating.

2842
01:57:16.380 --> 01:57:17.279
Do you know what I mean?

2843
01:57:17.340 --> 01:57:21.000
She's leaving behind this version of Star Trek.

2844
01:57:21.960 --> 01:57:23.579
Thank God.

2845
01:57:23.579 --> 01:57:25.859
To do something magical.

2846
01:57:26.579 --> 01:57:29.340
I'll never find it again without you.

2847
01:57:29.399 --> 01:57:31.920
There's a whole galaxy out there.

2848
01:57:31.979 --> 01:57:32.640
Oh, please.

2849
01:57:32.699 --> 01:57:34.920
What's her last advice?

2850
01:57:35.399 --> 01:57:38.100
You just go into the future already.

2851
01:57:38.159 --> 01:57:38.939
Yeah.

2852
01:57:39.000 --> 01:57:40.439
Yeah.

2853
01:57:40.500 --> 01:57:43.619
And so she's making you tear up watching this.

2854
01:57:43.680 --> 01:57:44.579
Yeah, a bit.

2855
01:57:44.640 --> 01:57:46.020
She's not now.

2856
01:57:46.079 --> 01:57:49.979
She's she's making she's creating Spock, isn't she in this

2857
01:57:49.979 --> 01:57:50.279
moment?

2858
01:57:50.340 --> 01:57:54.659
Like she's sort of saying you withdraw from people, you don't let

2859
01:57:54.659 --> 01:57:58.020
people touch, you let the, and she's saying, do that.

2860
01:57:58.079 --> 01:58:02.520
She's saying, go and find someone, you know, and it will

2861
01:58:02.520 --> 01:58:03.779
eventually be Kirk.

2862
01:58:03.840 --> 01:58:05.159
Oh sweetheart.

2863
01:58:05.220 --> 01:58:06.000
Reach for them.

2864
01:58:06.060 --> 01:58:07.500
Let them go at you.

2865
01:58:07.560 --> 01:58:09.539
It's all too expensive too much.

2866
01:58:09.600 --> 01:58:10.319
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

2867
01:58:10.380 --> 01:58:11.699
Again, it's no subject.

2868
01:58:11.760 --> 01:58:12.779
That first.

2869
01:58:12.840 --> 01:58:13.859
Do you remember that 1st goodbye?

2870
01:58:13.920 --> 01:58:14.460
The hands.

2871
01:58:14.520 --> 01:58:15.659
It was great.

2872
01:58:15.720 --> 01:58:18.779
But again, you know, they want to give everything a proper sendoff

2873
01:58:18.779 --> 01:58:20.100
and they want to do some writing.

2874
01:58:20.159 --> 01:58:22.260
It is a little bit too obvious.

2875
01:58:22.319 --> 01:58:26.279
Maybe, okay, maybe that is the problem here then, is that they

2876
01:58:26.279 --> 01:58:28.319
fill the knee. got to take everything off.

2877
01:58:28.380 --> 01:58:31.260
They're hampered by the fact this is the original series.

2878
01:58:31.319 --> 01:58:33.659
They have to get these characters where they need to be, you

2879
01:58:33.659 --> 01:58:33.899
know?

2880
01:58:33.960 --> 01:58:34.979
Yeah.

2881
01:58:34.979 --> 01:58:38.520
Yeah, mind you, I think the end is really great.

2882
01:58:38.579 --> 01:58:44.159
Now we're back in the cage with and the camera's rolling around

2883
01:58:44.159 --> 01:58:45.060
for some reason.

2884
01:58:45.180 --> 01:58:49.859
What happens when a man made completely out of nanobots?

2885
01:58:49.859 --> 01:58:50.819
It's just a lot of ties.

2886
01:58:50.880 --> 01:58:54.239
I've seen him, but yes, all of the... what happens when they're

2887
01:58:54.239 --> 01:58:54.899
magnetised?

2888
01:58:55.020 --> 01:58:58.680
They fall to the ground through him and like leave him like Swiss

2889
01:58:58.680 --> 01:58:59.460
cheese, don't they?

2890
01:59:03.600 --> 01:59:05.579
That's so great.

2891
01:59:05.640 --> 01:59:06.960
He looks so scary.

2892
01:59:07.020 --> 01:59:08.100
He's fabulous.

2893
01:59:08.159 --> 01:59:09.000
Oh, she does.

2894
01:59:09.060 --> 01:59:09.840
What do you mean him?

2895
01:59:09.899 --> 01:59:11.340
I think he looks scary.

2896
01:59:11.399 --> 01:59:12.720
He's physically really intimidating.

2897
01:59:12.899 --> 01:59:15.600
She's finally came to hurt somebody.

2898
01:59:15.720 --> 01:59:16.859
It's a natural way.

2899
01:59:16.920 --> 01:59:17.520
That's right.

2900
01:59:17.579 --> 01:59:18.420
He's no match for her.

2901
01:59:18.840 --> 01:59:23.159
She's been stuck around these Sakarine idiots for ages wanting to

2902
01:59:23.159 --> 01:59:23.760
hurt her somewhere.

2903
01:59:24.060 --> 01:59:27.180
Look at the lights in the red things.

2904
01:59:27.239 --> 01:59:30.420
You know, those red railings that are all over the enterprise, but

2905
01:59:30.420 --> 01:59:31.680
they put red lights in them.

2906
01:59:31.739 --> 01:59:32.460
It's so great.

2907
01:59:32.520 --> 01:59:34.260
Yeah, so who's boxing?

2908
01:59:34.260 --> 01:59:35.220
What transport you out?

2909
01:59:35.279 --> 01:59:36.539
Yeah, yeah.

2910
01:59:36.600 --> 01:59:37.979
We need you for the series.

2911
01:59:38.039 --> 01:59:39.060
Yeah, yeah.

2912
01:59:39.119 --> 01:59:41.699
But I did think that that was good because we all knew that he

2913
01:59:41.699 --> 01:59:45.420
wasn't going to go with them, you know, and so it adds some weird

2914
01:59:45.420 --> 01:59:47.520
tension to how this is going to play out.

2915
01:59:47.579 --> 01:59:50.460
You know, it's not gonna turn out the way that they hoped it

2916
01:59:50.460 --> 01:59:50.699
would.

2917
01:59:51.119 --> 01:59:52.920
Till he's doing a thing.

2918
01:59:53.579 --> 01:59:57.960
Okay, the modern day O'Brien there with Tilly in that combined

2919
01:59:57.960 --> 01:59:58.199
space.

2920
01:59:58.260 --> 02:00:02.100
And then she just said somebody owes me a beer, which I thought

2921
02:00:02.100 --> 02:00:02.939
was pretty great.

2922
02:00:03.000 --> 02:00:04.619
That's what I mean.

2923
02:00:04.680 --> 02:00:06.180
The old loin, you know?

2924
02:00:06.239 --> 02:00:07.140
you're like, yes.

2925
02:00:07.199 --> 02:00:08.399
Something to grab hold of.

2926
02:00:08.460 --> 02:00:11.159
And it's Tilly, which is kind of what Tilly's for.

2927
02:00:11.220 --> 02:00:11.939
I think.

2928
02:00:12.000 --> 02:00:13.380
Is this scene still going on?

2929
02:00:13.439 --> 02:00:14.039
There he goes.

2930
02:00:14.100 --> 02:00:18.659
I was, I do think when she left, that was another, I know there

2931
02:00:18.659 --> 02:00:20.520
were reasons, but that was another mistake.

2932
02:00:20.579 --> 02:00:21.479
It was sad.

2933
02:00:21.479 --> 02:00:23.520
Losing your show, losing Tilly.

2934
02:00:23.579 --> 02:00:24.300
Yeah.

2935
02:00:24.300 --> 02:00:27.720
She, they only half loser and she is completely back for series

2936
02:00:27.720 --> 02:00:28.380
five.

2937
02:00:28.439 --> 02:00:32.460
So she's just missing for a bit of series four, essentially.

2938
02:00:32.520 --> 02:00:36.779
And apparently she is back a bit in Starfleet Academy, which is

2939
02:00:36.779 --> 02:00:39.779
set after Discovery.

2940
02:00:40.199 --> 02:00:41.819
Here we go.

2941
02:00:41.880 --> 02:00:43.260
Are we going into the future now?

2942
02:00:43.319 --> 02:00:44.819
Yeah, I think we might be.

2943
02:00:45.239 --> 02:00:47.579
I think we might be.

2944
02:00:47.640 --> 02:00:49.439
How far are we from the end of the end?

2945
02:00:49.560 --> 02:00:51.000
Great angels leading the way.

2946
02:00:51.060 --> 02:00:53.699
We're still 13 minutes from the end of the episode. doesn't it

2947
02:00:53.699 --> 02:00:54.000
look great?

2948
02:00:54.060 --> 02:00:55.260
It just looks so nice.

2949
02:00:55.319 --> 02:00:58.319
Well, we saw tie up the episode with all the, uh, the strange

2950
02:00:58.319 --> 02:01:00.720
briefing stuff. which I think is really good.

2951
02:01:00.779 --> 02:01:01.979
It is pretty great.

2952
02:01:02.039 --> 02:01:02.699
That's it.

2953
02:01:02.699 --> 02:01:07.560
There's one last chance as they go into the future, everyone sort

2954
02:01:07.560 --> 02:01:11.819
of, once again, staring off Cameron longingly as they get into the

2955
02:01:11.819 --> 02:01:12.060
future.

2956
02:01:12.359 --> 02:01:17.819
So it's this shot here, which I think is absolutely iconic.

2957
02:01:17.880 --> 02:01:22.619
So she's flying up into the whatever the wormhole she's created

2958
02:01:22.619 --> 02:01:25.680
and it's not this shot.

2959
02:01:25.739 --> 02:01:27.180
It's just about to come.

2960
02:01:28.260 --> 02:01:35.699
It's discovery going up into the future and Chris sees it out of

2961
02:01:35.699 --> 02:01:40.500
the front window of the enterprise and then we see it and that

2962
02:01:40.500 --> 02:01:46.140
image is what creates the problem on the planet in the 1st

2963
02:01:46.140 --> 02:01:47.579
episode.

2964
02:01:47.640 --> 02:01:52.319
So they see it and it violates the prime directive in some way.

2965
02:01:52.319 --> 02:01:56.520
They get the idea for a warp bomb, remember?

2966
02:01:56.579 --> 02:02:00.779
And that's what causes the intervention in in that 1st episode

2967
02:02:00.779 --> 02:02:02.939
but...

2968
02:02:03.060 --> 02:02:07.380
It's that visual image of of, of, and I think, I don't think we've

2969
02:02:07.380 --> 02:02:11.279
seen the last of it, discovery going up. you know, in profile

2970
02:02:11.279 --> 02:02:12.960
going up into that space thing.

2971
02:02:13.020 --> 02:02:15.779
It's such a great iconic shot.

2972
02:02:15.899 --> 02:02:17.760
I like to hear you scream now.

2973
02:02:17.819 --> 02:02:23.760
However, I could have done without Pike saying, goodbye, my

2974
02:02:23.760 --> 02:02:24.300
family.

2975
02:02:25.979 --> 02:02:28.140
I can't resist it.

2976
02:02:28.140 --> 02:02:30.539
But look at this.

2977
02:02:30.600 --> 02:02:34.680
This is my Hellraiser now. its face falls apart.

2978
02:02:34.739 --> 02:02:35.220
Yeah.

2979
02:02:35.220 --> 02:02:36.600
Look at those manabols.

2980
02:02:36.659 --> 02:02:37.439
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

2981
02:02:37.500 --> 02:02:38.699
They look really good, don't they?

2982
02:02:38.760 --> 02:02:41.640
And it's like his eyes are gone or something like his old face is

2983
02:02:41.640 --> 02:02:43.979
made. like he's covered in ants.

2984
02:02:44.039 --> 02:02:45.300
It's terrifying.

2985
02:02:45.359 --> 02:02:47.039
Yeah, it looks really good, doesn't it?

2986
02:02:47.100 --> 02:02:47.760
It looks amazing.

2987
02:02:47.819 --> 02:02:49.199
Just great.

2988
02:02:49.260 --> 02:02:50.819
Here we go now.

2989
02:02:50.880 --> 02:02:52.380
Sucks into a wormhole.

2990
02:02:52.380 --> 02:02:53.039
Still coming?

2991
02:02:53.100 --> 02:02:54.119
That shot there.

2992
02:02:54.180 --> 02:02:54.779
Look at that.

2993
02:02:55.859 --> 02:02:58.739
It's a it just looks incredible.

2994
02:03:00.000 --> 02:03:03.300
Oh, they've all stopped because Leland's dead.

2995
02:03:03.359 --> 02:03:05.939
It's one of those things where Leland's actually the only person

2996
02:03:05.939 --> 02:03:08.819
on the ship. you know what I mean?

2997
02:03:08.880 --> 02:03:11.159
And it's once you kill the boss vampire, then all the other

2998
02:03:11.159 --> 02:03:13.380
vampires disappear, so control's gone.

2999
02:03:13.439 --> 02:03:15.899
And so none of those things are firing.

3000
02:03:15.960 --> 02:03:17.159
Oh, go.

3001
02:03:17.220 --> 02:03:18.840
Their P gets to say goodbye.

3002
02:03:18.899 --> 02:03:19.800
I actually like that.

3003
02:03:19.859 --> 02:03:20.399
That's cool.

3004
02:03:20.460 --> 02:03:25.140
And we get to see Saru's sister, seeing them leave.

3005
02:03:26.340 --> 02:03:26.699
Fair enough.

3006
02:03:26.760 --> 02:03:27.960
He's not going to see her again.

3007
02:03:28.020 --> 02:03:29.039
You can have that one.

3008
02:03:29.159 --> 02:03:29.760
That's pretty good.

3009
02:03:29.819 --> 02:03:32.760
Oh, you're thinking back to the kiss.

3010
02:03:32.819 --> 02:03:34.560
Yeah, well, you would.

3011
02:03:34.979 --> 02:03:39.359
Did you see Mary looking at him like Mary looks sidelong and he

3012
02:03:39.359 --> 02:03:40.260
was just like...

3013
02:03:40.260 --> 02:03:42.720
What are you thinking about?

3014
02:03:44.579 --> 02:03:47.100
Oh boy, no, come on.

3015
02:03:47.159 --> 02:03:49.140
I don't need to see the kids touching hands.

3016
02:03:49.260 --> 02:03:50.579
Too much.

3017
02:03:50.640 --> 02:03:52.079
That's so cute.

3018
02:03:52.140 --> 02:03:53.220
They were cute.

3019
02:03:53.279 --> 02:03:54.300
I'm glad we saw it.

3020
02:03:54.359 --> 02:03:56.039
It is literally like the writer's a gun.

3021
02:03:56.159 --> 02:03:57.239
Tick, tick, tick.

3022
02:03:57.300 --> 02:03:58.199
We covered it all.

3023
02:03:58.319 --> 02:03:59.819
We're ready for the future.

3024
02:04:01.260 --> 02:04:03.899
Oh, look at the state of that bridge.

3025
02:04:05.399 --> 02:04:08.399
Those dots have got some cleaning up to do.

3026
02:04:08.460 --> 02:04:11.279
The lights like sparks, everything.

3027
02:04:11.340 --> 02:04:12.420
Oh, here we go.

3028
02:04:12.479 --> 02:04:15.300
Oh, my God, here we go, into the wormhole. into the sink, down the

3029
02:04:15.300 --> 02:04:15.600
street.

3030
02:04:15.600 --> 02:04:17.039
Lead the way, Michael Burnham.

3031
02:04:17.159 --> 02:04:18.420
Does that look good?

3032
02:04:18.479 --> 02:04:20.279
The red angel that you are.

3033
02:04:20.340 --> 02:04:21.659
Yeah, wow.

3034
02:04:21.779 --> 02:04:23.039
Oh, here we go.

3035
02:04:23.100 --> 02:04:26.520
Now, this effect, it does look a bit like the affecting Star Trek

3036
02:04:26.520 --> 02:04:26.699
4.

3037
02:04:26.939 --> 02:04:29.340
When they go into the past.

3038
02:04:29.399 --> 02:04:30.420
Doesn't it?

3039
02:04:30.420 --> 02:04:33.960
You're looking at their faces, like, their faces being torn to the

3040
02:04:33.960 --> 02:04:34.859
side.

3041
02:04:34.859 --> 02:04:36.899
They're almost certainly deliberate. you think?

3042
02:04:37.439 --> 02:04:42.239
Well, why then don't we see bizarre, strange white busts of them

3043
02:04:42.239 --> 02:04:43.260
coming at the camera?

3044
02:04:45.060 --> 02:04:47.039
That would have been great.

3045
02:04:47.520 --> 02:04:50.220
Look how many rocks are on the floor.

3046
02:04:50.340 --> 02:04:51.720
I keep going on about the rock.

3047
02:04:52.380 --> 02:04:54.300
I think you got it.

3048
02:04:54.359 --> 02:04:57.000
I think you got it from Saru there, and we won't see them again

3049
02:04:57.000 --> 02:04:58.079
for the end of the episode.

3050
02:04:58.140 --> 02:05:01.500
That's them gone We did see we did see Sarud.

3051
02:05:01.560 --> 02:05:03.840
Look at all the garbage that's left behind from the battle.

3052
02:05:03.899 --> 02:05:08.399
Um, we're also really looking wonder at the future.

3053
02:05:08.460 --> 02:05:09.960
Do you know what I mean?

3054
02:05:10.020 --> 02:05:10.859
Enterprise.

3055
02:05:10.859 --> 02:05:13.500
Yeah, it's not looking good.

3056
02:05:13.560 --> 02:05:16.260
Oh, the front of it exploded because of the torpedo.

3057
02:05:16.319 --> 02:05:17.039
Oh, fuck.

3058
02:05:17.100 --> 02:05:17.579
Look at that.

3059
02:05:17.640 --> 02:05:20.279
Now, see, they would have done this in 90s trek if they could have

3060
02:05:20.279 --> 02:05:20.579
done.

3061
02:05:20.640 --> 02:05:24.659
These gorgeous panoramic cities with the Golden Gate Bridge

3062
02:05:24.659 --> 02:05:24.899
there.

3063
02:05:24.960 --> 02:05:25.859
Yeah, yeah.

3064
02:05:25.920 --> 02:05:28.979
Now, so the Golden Gate Bridge, obviously you don't need a bridge

3065
02:05:28.979 --> 02:05:32.699
now because everything flies and Mariner makes that point in lower

3066
02:05:32.699 --> 02:05:33.180
decks.

3067
02:05:33.239 --> 02:05:34.500
I hate the bridge.

3068
02:05:34.560 --> 02:05:35.640
Just hope we know where we are.

3069
02:05:35.699 --> 02:05:38.819
But did you see that the surface of it is covered in solar

3070
02:05:38.819 --> 02:05:39.300
panels?

3071
02:05:39.359 --> 02:05:41.220
Like, it's not a road?

3072
02:05:43.260 --> 02:05:46.199
It's powering the city, all right?

3073
02:05:46.260 --> 02:05:46.800
Yeah.

3074
02:05:48.659 --> 02:05:53.100
And so this debrief, which is done very strangely with them kind

3075
02:05:53.100 --> 02:05:58.319
of flicking in and out, you know, like, um, it went boom.

3076
02:05:58.380 --> 02:05:59.760
That's what she says.

3077
02:05:59.819 --> 02:06:06.060
And again, this is sort of like, you know, uh, uh, yeah.

3078
02:06:06.119 --> 02:06:12.779
It is a little bit, I think, of a too much kind of whining stuff

3079
02:06:12.779 --> 02:06:13.920
up, don't you think?

3080
02:06:13.979 --> 02:06:18.180
Like, yes, we'll never speak of this again.

3081
02:06:18.239 --> 02:06:23.279
I really like, like I really like the fact that we leave discovery

3082
02:06:23.279 --> 02:06:25.319
behind and we have no idea what's happened to them.

3083
02:06:25.380 --> 02:06:31.199
That's great. ever a mention of discovery in Strange New Worlds.

3084
02:06:31.260 --> 02:06:32.100
Ever.

3085
02:06:32.399 --> 02:06:39.119
Yes, because Pike, well, because in that 1st episode, in that 1st

3086
02:06:39.119 --> 02:06:44.640
episode where they say, you know, the planet, they saw the ship

3087
02:06:44.640 --> 02:06:49.800
going up into the wormhole thing and that gave them the idea of

3088
02:06:49.800 --> 02:06:51.180
the bomb.

3089
02:06:51.239 --> 02:06:52.739
But I think it may happen again.

3090
02:06:52.800 --> 02:06:55.560
I think maybe Spock talks about his sister or something.

3091
02:06:55.619 --> 02:06:56.279
I am not quite sure.

3092
02:06:56.340 --> 02:07:01.920
But the idea is that the reason that it's never mentioned again is

3093
02:07:01.920 --> 02:07:04.020
because no one ever talked about it ever.

3094
02:07:04.079 --> 02:07:04.979
You know.

3095
02:07:05.039 --> 02:07:09.420
I find it very amusing, you know, that the action was so furious

3096
02:07:09.420 --> 02:07:13.079
yeah. that people may not have figured out quite what was going

3097
02:07:13.079 --> 02:07:13.380
on.

3098
02:07:13.439 --> 02:07:16.199
So here we get a long explanation of everything.

3099
02:07:16.260 --> 02:07:20.220
All the technobabble, where everyone's gone. because they're lying

3100
02:07:20.220 --> 02:07:21.779
about where it's gone.

3101
02:07:21.840 --> 02:07:26.039
They're saying it exploded and what we're talking about now is why

3102
02:07:26.039 --> 02:07:32.279
no records exist of discovery and why it seemed to violate all of

3103
02:07:32.279 --> 02:07:36.899
the rules of canon in series one and got everyone so exercise.

3104
02:07:37.020 --> 02:07:39.779
I think what is interesting, the main interesting thing about this

3105
02:07:39.779 --> 02:07:42.359
is the fact that the guy who's debriefing them, we don't see his

3106
02:07:42.359 --> 02:07:42.600
face.

3107
02:07:42.720 --> 02:07:44.520
Do you know what I mean?

3108
02:07:44.579 --> 02:07:47.159
Like we never see his face. we ever find out who that is?

3109
02:07:47.220 --> 02:07:48.000
I don't think so.

3110
02:07:48.060 --> 02:07:49.920
I don't know, but it is a thing.

3111
02:07:50.159 --> 02:07:53.880
I think they're just a bit embarrassed by the whole affair, you

3112
02:07:53.880 --> 02:07:56.579
know, that section 31 computer stuff. all of this.

3113
02:07:56.640 --> 02:07:57.420
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

3114
02:07:57.960 --> 02:08:00.600
We'll never talk of this again, all right?

3115
02:08:00.659 --> 02:08:02.279
All those lives lost.

3116
02:08:02.340 --> 02:08:03.720
We'll think of something.

3117
02:08:03.779 --> 02:08:04.439
Yes.

3118
02:08:04.500 --> 02:08:05.100
Yeah.

3119
02:08:05.159 --> 02:08:06.539
And so here we have the thing.

3120
02:08:06.600 --> 02:08:09.420
No one's allowed to talk about discovery ever again or the spore

3121
02:08:09.420 --> 02:08:12.840
drive or any of that stuff, which is why all of the cannon

3122
02:08:12.840 --> 02:08:15.119
breaking stuff in series one is not...

3123
02:08:15.180 --> 02:08:16.560
I can see why you were annoyed.

3124
02:08:16.619 --> 02:08:19.979
Yeah, I like, kind of like, ah, yeah, it's just a little bit too

3125
02:08:19.979 --> 02:08:20.579
fucking neat.

3126
02:08:20.699 --> 02:08:26.939
And it is, it is so desperate to keep the timeline intact from any

3127
02:08:26.939 --> 02:08:29.520
of the damage that series one of Discovery might have done to it.

3128
02:08:29.579 --> 02:08:33.840
And I think that the fetishisation of the timeline and of memory

3129
02:08:33.840 --> 02:08:37.079
alpha and stuff is a big problem for Star Trek creatively.

3130
02:08:37.439 --> 02:08:39.119
Do you imagine?

3131
02:08:39.180 --> 02:08:39.479
Yeah.

3132
02:08:39.539 --> 02:08:44.640
Do you imagine if the fan reaction had been more favourable in the

3133
02:08:44.640 --> 02:08:47.520
other direction that they would never have gone to the future?

3134
02:08:47.579 --> 02:08:49.020
Oh, yeah, they would have just came right.

3135
02:08:49.079 --> 02:08:50.399
Absolutely certain the fan reaction.

3136
02:08:50.460 --> 02:08:54.239
So this is literally fan reaction, having an impact on the show.

3137
02:08:54.300 --> 02:08:57.840
Yeah, and it turns out to be okay, but it's generally a bad idea

3138
02:08:57.840 --> 02:09:02.760
because generally speaking fans are bad critics and they often

3139
02:09:02.760 --> 02:09:04.680
just want to see what they've seen before.

3140
02:09:04.739 --> 02:09:09.420
And this was nothing like what they've seen before.

3141
02:09:09.479 --> 02:09:11.579
Basically, series 3, episode one.

3142
02:09:11.640 --> 02:09:13.380
It's a new show. isn't it?

3143
02:09:13.439 --> 02:09:14.039
Yeah.

3144
02:09:14.100 --> 02:09:14.579
Yeah.

3145
02:09:14.640 --> 02:09:16.199
Well, look who we've seen.

3146
02:09:16.199 --> 02:09:20.699
And obviously run with that for three, four, and five, but with

3147
02:09:20.699 --> 02:09:21.720
the established characters.

3148
02:09:21.779 --> 02:09:23.520
Yeah, but see what's happening.

3149
02:09:23.520 --> 02:09:25.439
It's kind of doing the DS9 thing, isn't it?

3150
02:09:25.439 --> 02:09:28.979
Discovery has disappeared and now we're in a show about the

3151
02:09:28.979 --> 02:09:30.960
enterprise, right?

3152
02:09:31.020 --> 02:09:33.840
And this is...

3153
02:09:33.899 --> 02:09:38.399
This is, you know, and it still works as an ending of this.

3154
02:09:38.460 --> 02:09:40.500
So Spock is looking for the signal.

3155
02:09:40.560 --> 02:09:43.739
He's never seen it and like it's been 100 days or something.

3156
02:09:43.800 --> 02:09:47.640
It's been a while, um, but he does see it.

3157
02:09:47.699 --> 02:09:49.140
Like, is that how it ends?

3158
02:09:49.199 --> 02:09:51.539
We learn that they've arrived safe in the future.

3159
02:09:51.659 --> 02:09:55.380
We learn as the audience that they've arrived safe in the future

3160
02:09:55.380 --> 02:09:56.699
at the end of this episode.

3161
02:09:56.760 --> 02:09:58.079
Yeah?

3162
02:09:58.140 --> 02:10:01.800
Um, Yeah, so good.

3163
02:10:01.859 --> 02:10:03.180
So good.

3164
02:10:03.239 --> 02:10:05.220
Oh, look at that, how well lit this scene is.

3165
02:10:05.279 --> 02:10:07.739
Look at this reflection in the top.

3166
02:10:07.800 --> 02:10:08.939
It's beautiful, isn't it?

3167
02:10:09.000 --> 02:10:12.359
I just love how the glass is always slightly dirty, like the light

3168
02:10:12.359 --> 02:10:16.500
sort of reflects imperfectly off the glass so that it really gets

3169
02:10:16.500 --> 02:10:17.939
the sense that it's real light.

3170
02:10:18.000 --> 02:10:22.140
It's real glass, and he's decided to go back to work.

3171
02:10:22.199 --> 02:10:27.600
I mean, the consequence of all of this, a very neat tying up is

3172
02:10:27.600 --> 02:10:32.279
that we get Strange New Worlds, and that there is an imaginative

3173
02:10:32.279 --> 02:10:36.300
new sort of plough for discovery to thorough.

3174
02:10:36.359 --> 02:10:39.420
So, no, it ends up being a good thing.

3175
02:10:39.479 --> 02:10:41.220
I look at that.

3176
02:10:41.399 --> 02:10:42.180
Spock is back.

3177
02:10:42.239 --> 02:10:44.460
Oh, my God.

3178
02:10:44.520 --> 02:10:47.399
He's lost about 10 years without shave, hasn't he?

3179
02:10:48.119 --> 02:10:50.819
He's so pretty though, isn't he?

3180
02:10:52.979 --> 02:10:56.760
It's just like impossible to imagine that we're not going to ever

3181
02:10:56.760 --> 02:10:57.720
get to see this show.

3182
02:10:57.840 --> 02:10:59.460
Unfortunately, we do.

3183
02:10:59.520 --> 02:11:00.840
It's wonderful, isn't it?

3184
02:11:00.899 --> 02:11:05.039
And it's been redesigned and there are design elements from, you

3185
02:11:05.039 --> 02:11:09.000
know, this set in the Strangely World set.

3186
02:11:09.060 --> 02:11:12.180
I think it's not exactly the same, but it's certainly similar.

3187
02:11:12.239 --> 02:11:12.899
It's bigger.

3188
02:11:12.960 --> 02:11:16.500
I think I wonder how much that was down to fan reactions as well.

3189
02:11:16.560 --> 02:11:20.880
I wonder if it was because this was so positively greeted or if

3190
02:11:20.880 --> 02:11:23.159
the creators just went, do you know what?

3191
02:11:23.220 --> 02:11:24.180
We're on to a win here.

3192
02:11:24.239 --> 02:11:25.260
Yeah, we should be doing this.

3193
02:11:25.319 --> 02:11:28.020
I think it's both Probably a bit of both, yeah.

3194
02:11:28.079 --> 02:11:31.619
Well, you remember the Star Trek legacy stuff, all those people

3195
02:11:31.619 --> 02:11:34.800
saying that they wanted to see 7 and Rafi on board the Enterprise

3196
02:11:34.800 --> 02:11:36.840
G or H or whatever the hell it is.

3197
02:11:36.899 --> 02:11:37.920
Do you know what I mean?

3198
02:11:37.979 --> 02:11:41.279
Like at the end of Picard series 3 and how wonderful that would be

3199
02:11:41.279 --> 02:11:44.819
with little Jack Crusher there being English on the, you know

3200
02:11:44.819 --> 02:11:46.560
other seat.

3201
02:11:46.560 --> 02:11:48.119
And that would have been great.

3202
02:11:48.180 --> 02:11:51.840
That would have been terrific, but it was similar here for this.

3203
02:11:51.899 --> 02:11:54.899
And I'm really glad we got it because it's magnificent.

3204
02:11:54.960 --> 02:11:56.399
Strangely Worlds is so good.

3205
02:11:56.880 --> 02:12:01.439
I just can't think of, I know, I know you say with DS9, like they

3206
02:12:01.439 --> 02:12:02.520
reboot every year.

3207
02:12:03.180 --> 02:12:04.560
But it's still the same quadrant.

3208
02:12:04.619 --> 02:12:08.159
It's still the same races and it's still the same characters, even

3209
02:12:08.159 --> 02:12:12.000
though the politics change the goalposts all the time.

3210
02:12:12.060 --> 02:12:15.359
I just kind of think of another time in Star Trek.

3211
02:12:15.600 --> 02:12:19.739
They've just abandoned everything they've created up.

3212
02:12:19.739 --> 02:12:20.880
It's incredibly strange.

3213
02:12:20.939 --> 02:12:21.659
Yeah, yeah.

3214
02:12:21.659 --> 02:12:23.220
Baffling, isn't it?

3215
02:12:23.279 --> 02:12:26.340
Oh, that shot coming out of the Enterprise is gorgeous.

3216
02:12:26.460 --> 02:12:28.500
When he says hit it as well.

3217
02:12:28.560 --> 02:12:30.420
Like that's his thing and there we go.

3218
02:12:33.600 --> 02:12:37.859
I can see why it was a given.

3219
02:12:37.859 --> 02:12:40.680
It absolutely had to happen and it is really great.

3220
02:12:40.739 --> 02:12:42.119
It's really good.

3221
02:12:42.180 --> 02:12:44.699
It just feels like they're saying it out there, right?

3222
02:12:44.760 --> 02:12:46.920
The fact that they give them those last 5 minutes.

3223
02:12:47.039 --> 02:12:51.960
But remember that if Stranger Worlds never happens, that is them

3224
02:12:51.960 --> 02:12:54.960
going off to start Star Trek, isn't it?

3225
02:12:55.079 --> 02:12:59.640
Like they're going off to start Star Trek with the cage.

3226
02:12:59.699 --> 02:13:03.840
Now we've got this bizarre buck alley. of the way.

3227
02:13:03.899 --> 02:13:06.899
We've thrown them in the future out the way.

3228
02:13:06.960 --> 02:13:09.659
Yeah, and now we'll go off and do Star Trek as we always knew it

3229
02:13:09.659 --> 02:13:09.899
right?

3230
02:13:09.960 --> 02:13:13.560
And that's kind of cool and interesting and stuff, but it is also

3231
02:13:13.560 --> 02:13:16.020
just sort of, I don't know.

3232
02:13:16.079 --> 02:13:16.680
I don't know.

3233
02:13:16.800 --> 02:13:19.979
It just makes me a little bit sad that they react against

3234
02:13:19.979 --> 02:13:23.760
something that I think was really actually pretty great in series

3235
02:13:23.760 --> 02:13:24.600
one of this show.

3236
02:13:24.659 --> 02:13:28.380
What I do appreciate is like, because obviously they were trying

3237
02:13:28.380 --> 02:13:32.819
to reinvent the wheel with series one of discovery, they still do

3238
02:13:32.819 --> 02:13:37.319
get to do that going forwards because we go to a point in time.

3239
02:13:37.560 --> 02:13:42.420
We've never seen before, but with all of 90s treks, continuity and

3240
02:13:42.420 --> 02:13:45.960
races and all of that work that was done there for them to play

3241
02:13:45.960 --> 02:13:49.140
with and to sort of, and, you know, we've not had anything after

3242
02:13:49.140 --> 02:13:49.979
that, have we?

3243
02:13:50.039 --> 02:13:50.520
No.

3244
02:13:50.520 --> 02:13:55.380
Well, so Starfleet Academy will be in the 32nd century as well

3245
02:13:55.380 --> 02:13:56.159
after this.

3246
02:13:56.220 --> 02:13:57.420
So, yeah.

3247
02:13:57.479 --> 02:13:58.140
Wow, okay.

3248
02:13:58.199 --> 02:14:01.680
So Tilly is in it in Vance and stuff like that. and the best

3249
02:14:01.680 --> 02:14:02.640
Robert is in it.

3250
02:14:02.760 --> 02:14:06.359
The next episode has started, Nathan, you know, and I've had a

3251
02:14:06.359 --> 02:14:10.260
warning at the start there of flashing imagery and foul language.

3252
02:14:10.319 --> 02:14:11.340
Excellent.

3253
02:14:11.399 --> 02:14:12.539
That's what we want.

3254
02:14:12.600 --> 02:14:14.039
That's what I want from my Star Wars.

3255
02:14:14.100 --> 02:14:15.239
I wonder you know that one so much.

3256
02:14:15.840 --> 02:14:18.300
Fuck you, Jean-Luc.

3257
02:14:18.359 --> 02:14:22.319
So that's, you know, that hope is you part one, isn't it?

3258
02:14:22.380 --> 02:14:24.720
Which sets us up in series three.

3259
02:14:24.779 --> 02:14:25.680
Good stuff.

3260
02:14:25.739 --> 02:14:30.960
I have to say that 2nd part was far more agreeable than the 1st

3261
02:14:30.960 --> 02:14:31.979
part for me.

3262
02:14:32.039 --> 02:14:34.920
And whilst, yes, you made some good points.

3263
02:14:35.039 --> 02:14:39.600
I may have over egged for pudding a little bit in my case.

3264
02:14:39.659 --> 02:14:43.319
It's just the pace of it and the visuals of it.

3265
02:14:43.380 --> 02:14:46.739
I think it's funnier, that 2nd episode as well.

3266
02:14:46.800 --> 02:14:50.100
There's more chance in the middle of all that action to suddenly

3267
02:14:50.100 --> 02:14:53.760
dig in with a really funny line out of nowhere and then just cut

3268
02:14:53.760 --> 02:14:54.779
to the action again.

3269
02:14:54.840 --> 02:14:58.979
Yeah, where it all falls down is it is so neat, isn't it?

3270
02:14:59.039 --> 02:15:03.600
It's so tidy at the end that you're going, and obviously that

3271
02:15:03.600 --> 02:15:08.520
massive leap of everybody just going, oh, well, to the future we

3272
02:15:08.520 --> 02:15:08.699
go.

3273
02:15:08.760 --> 02:15:10.260
We still want to be on the show.

3274
02:15:11.039 --> 02:15:14.760
We love you, Michael Burnham, more than our family.

3275
02:15:15.420 --> 02:15:19.380
We love being on this show. more than our families and so we're

3276
02:15:19.380 --> 02:15:19.920
coming with you.

3277
02:15:19.979 --> 02:15:21.720
We want the work.

3278
02:15:21.779 --> 02:15:22.560
Yeah, that's right.

3279
02:15:30.060 --> 02:15:35.100
All right, it's the end of the episode and it is time for you to

3280
02:15:35.100 --> 02:15:37.260
tell us, Joe, where we're going next.

3281
02:15:37.319 --> 02:15:42.060
This was my one, and it was an excellent choice, if I do say so.

3282
02:15:42.119 --> 02:15:47.100
So I imagine that you're going to redress the balance by making us

3283
02:15:47.100 --> 02:15:49.560
watch, I don't know, Voyager or something.

3284
02:15:49.619 --> 02:15:54.420
I mean, I would say it was a half excellent choice, but um, yeah

3285
02:15:54.420 --> 02:15:57.899
it seems to talk about. going to...

3286
02:15:57.899 --> 02:15:59.520
Flawed things do, though, you know?

3287
02:15:59.579 --> 02:16:01.380
Far more than just good things.

3288
02:16:01.439 --> 02:16:02.220
Well the game.

3289
02:16:02.279 --> 02:16:05.939
Anyway, I was going to segue straight across to original trait.

3290
02:16:06.000 --> 02:16:10.020
One, because we haven't done it in a while and 2 because, well

3291
02:16:10.020 --> 02:16:10.739
hello.

3292
02:16:10.800 --> 02:16:11.880
We've just had end.

3293
02:16:11.939 --> 02:16:17.699
Unfortunately, I'm sorry after all of that sort of excitable

3294
02:16:17.699 --> 02:16:18.539
camera work.

3295
02:16:18.600 --> 02:16:22.560
I'm just in the mood for the static camera work of 90s trick.

3296
02:16:22.619 --> 02:16:23.640
Okay, excellent.

3297
02:16:23.699 --> 02:16:25.739
I tend to always take us tonight.

3298
02:16:25.800 --> 02:16:29.520
However, I've taken out Enterprise because, well, that's your your

3299
02:16:29.520 --> 02:16:29.939
week.

3300
02:16:29.939 --> 02:16:31.739
Oh, picking and not mine. pick that next time.

3301
02:16:31.800 --> 02:16:35.819
So we've got the next generation, Duke Space Star and Voyager, as

3302
02:16:35.819 --> 02:16:39.239
I will remind you, despite percentages, there are still a lot to

3303
02:16:39.239 --> 02:16:39.479
get through.

3304
02:16:39.600 --> 02:16:40.680
Yeah, absolutely.

3305
02:16:40.739 --> 02:16:42.360
So are you ready?

3306
02:16:42.420 --> 02:16:43.379
I'm ready.

3307
02:16:43.500 --> 02:16:46.139
Okay, here we go.

3308
02:16:46.200 --> 02:16:47.340
Oh, scorpion.

3309
02:16:47.399 --> 02:16:48.780
No, we've done that. done that.

3310
02:16:48.840 --> 02:16:49.979
Okay.

3311
02:16:51.420 --> 02:16:56.879
Deep space on episode is season two, episode 25 Tribunal.

3312
02:16:56.940 --> 02:16:59.280
Oh no, quite boring, actually.

3313
02:16:59.340 --> 02:16:59.940
Oh, okay.

3314
02:16:59.940 --> 02:17:04.620
O'Brien's put on trial by the Cardassians for one episode.

3315
02:17:04.620 --> 02:17:07.319
And we see him and Keiko getting it on in the shuttle.

3316
02:17:07.620 --> 02:17:10.260
Yeah, you don't want to watch that, do you?

3317
02:17:10.319 --> 02:17:11.159
Accession?

3318
02:17:11.219 --> 02:17:12.899
My god, that was that good.

3319
02:17:12.959 --> 02:17:13.379
Yep.

3320
02:17:13.379 --> 02:17:14.040
Yep.

3321
02:17:14.100 --> 02:17:14.579
Okay.

3322
02:17:14.940 --> 02:17:20.100
Your random Star Trek Voyager episode is season four, episode 7

3323
02:17:20.100 --> 02:17:22.500
scientific method.

3324
02:17:23.280 --> 02:17:29.879
This is a Janeway episode, I think, about science and religion.

3325
02:17:30.120 --> 02:17:33.360
Oh, no, you're thinking about sacred ground.

3326
02:17:33.420 --> 02:17:35.459
No, am I?

3327
02:17:35.520 --> 02:17:36.479
Maybe I am.

3328
02:17:36.540 --> 02:17:37.200
I think so.

3329
02:17:37.200 --> 02:17:37.860
From series three.

3330
02:17:37.920 --> 02:17:38.940
This is series four.

3331
02:17:39.000 --> 02:17:42.600
This is the one where there's aliens performing experiments on all

3332
02:17:42.600 --> 02:17:45.959
the crew, you know, just like. only worse.

3333
02:17:46.020 --> 02:17:47.760
Not as good, yeah.

3334
02:17:47.819 --> 02:17:49.739
Okay, let's keep going, shall we?

3335
02:17:49.799 --> 02:17:51.120
Okay.

3336
02:17:51.600 --> 02:17:56.520
Your random subject D Space 9 episode is season two, episode five

3337
02:17:56.520 --> 02:17:57.780
Cardassians.

3338
02:17:57.840 --> 02:17:59.639
It's a musical, isn't it?

3339
02:17:59.700 --> 02:18:01.319
With...

3340
02:18:02.159 --> 02:18:04.260
It's a goodie.

3341
02:18:04.319 --> 02:18:08.159
It is a goodie, but I think we've done too many decent.

3342
02:18:08.579 --> 02:18:09.659
It's not episodes.

3343
02:18:10.799 --> 02:18:12.659
Oh, way.

3344
02:18:12.659 --> 02:18:15.719
Here we go.

3345
02:18:15.719 --> 02:18:18.899
No, it's get that cheese to Sick Bay.

3346
02:18:18.959 --> 02:18:23.280
Your random Star Trek Forager episode in season one, episode 16

3347
02:18:23.280 --> 02:18:24.420
Learning Cove.

3348
02:18:24.479 --> 02:18:26.520
Oh yeah, we have to do that. absolutely.

3349
02:18:26.579 --> 02:18:30.420
I mean, I don't think we'll see enough of Tim Ross jogging around

3350
02:18:30.420 --> 02:18:31.979
the corridors.

3351
02:18:33.120 --> 02:18:33.899
Oh, no.

3352
02:18:33.899 --> 02:18:35.879
It's got boric in it, doesn't it?

3353
02:18:35.940 --> 02:18:38.100
Oh, I can't remember.

3354
02:18:38.219 --> 02:18:41.879
It is the episode where the cheese always brings down.

3355
02:18:42.959 --> 02:18:46.739
I know, it would give us a chance to see early Neelix after seeing

3356
02:18:46.739 --> 02:18:47.700
lightning licks.

3357
02:18:47.760 --> 02:18:50.579
Yeah, yeah, yeah, terrible, Ne-Leaks after seeing it quite good

3358
02:18:50.579 --> 02:18:51.000
Neelix.

3359
02:18:51.059 --> 02:18:52.079
Albay fair.

3360
02:18:52.139 --> 02:18:56.159
I fear it may be the last time they ever bring up the Marquis at

3361
02:18:56.159 --> 02:18:57.719
the end of the series.

3362
02:18:57.780 --> 02:18:58.920
That's upsetting.

3363
02:18:58.979 --> 02:18:59.940
Wow.

3364
02:19:00.000 --> 02:19:01.860
I can promise you this.

3365
02:19:01.920 --> 02:19:04.739
It will be in no way as dynamic as what we just watched

3366
02:19:04.799 --> 02:19:05.700
absolutely.

3367
02:19:05.760 --> 02:19:17.639
I'm counting on it Youve been listening to Untitled Star Trek

3368
02:19:17.639 --> 02:19:19.979
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3369
02:19:20.040 --> 02:19:23.760
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3370
02:19:23.760 --> 02:19:27.420
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3371
02:19:27.479 --> 02:19:30.659
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3372
02:19:30.659 --> 02:19:32.340
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3373
02:19:32.399 --> 02:19:37.020
This episode was recorded on the 18th of March, 2025 and released

3374
02:19:37.020 --> 02:19:38.940
on the 21st of March.

3375
02:19:39.000 --> 02:19:43.200
We'll see you next time for Star Trek Voyager, learning curve.

3376
02:19:58.799 --> 02:20:00.959
It's terrible.

3377
02:20:01.020 --> 02:20:03.840
So, wait, I can't remember which one it is.

3378
02:20:03.899 --> 02:20:10.079
Is it the one where he is teaching the people who is it like Good

3379
02:20:10.079 --> 02:20:12.120
Shepherd only with Tim Ross?

3380
02:20:12.180 --> 02:20:17.819
Tim Ross, yeah, and there's a Bolian, and there's Vorak.

3381
02:20:17.879 --> 02:20:19.020
Isn't there?

3382
02:20:19.139 --> 02:20:20.879
A Vulcan.

3383
02:20:20.940 --> 02:20:23.520
I think it's a Vulcrum. but he's no, isn't it Varik?

3384
02:20:23.579 --> 02:20:25.920
You know, the other the Vulcan who has sex with...

3385
02:20:25.920 --> 02:20:27.239
I can't remember.

3386
02:20:27.299 --> 02:20:32.579
There's that sort of big burly bloke as well that Shakotay punches

3387
02:20:32.639 --> 02:20:33.180
at one point.

3388
02:20:35.340 --> 02:20:37.020
Voyager.

3389
02:20:40.860 --> 02:20:44.219
I thought 4 it came along in three.

3390
02:20:44.280 --> 02:20:45.000
I could be wrong.

3391
02:20:48.059 --> 02:20:50.219
Yeah, there's a...

3392
02:20:50.219 --> 02:20:53.159
There's a woman, there's an annoying woman with American lady

3393
02:20:53.159 --> 02:20:53.760
hair.

3394
02:20:54.239 --> 02:20:59.819
Janeway meets the horrible, horrible children in her Gothic horror

3395
02:20:59.819 --> 02:21:01.200
novel.

3396
02:21:01.260 --> 02:21:01.799
Yes.

3397
02:21:01.920 --> 02:21:02.819
Oh, wonderful.

3398
02:21:02.879 --> 02:21:09.239
There's ugly crewman Dalby, who has a very slappable face, and

3399
02:21:09.239 --> 02:21:14.100
there's someone called Geren, who is a weird...

3400
02:21:14.159 --> 02:21:15.420
Oh, he's sort of hot, actually.

3401
02:21:15.840 --> 02:21:17.819
Yeah, criminal.

3402
02:21:17.879 --> 02:21:19.979
I'd forgotten all about Lord Burley.

3403
02:21:20.040 --> 02:21:21.180
Oh my god.

3404
02:21:22.139 --> 02:21:25.559
Oh, and they're wearing horrible outfits as well.

3405
02:21:25.620 --> 02:21:26.879
I don't know what's happening.

3406
02:21:26.940 --> 02:21:27.479
Well, those kids.

3407
02:21:27.479 --> 02:21:33.360
No, there's a, there's a picture of Tim Ross and American lady

3408
02:21:33.360 --> 02:21:39.059
hair, but they're wearing kind of like jumpsuits, like, yeah.

3409
02:21:39.120 --> 02:21:41.940
That's what he puts them in to make a run around the ship.

3410
02:21:42.000 --> 02:21:42.659
Yeah, yeah.

3411
02:21:42.719 --> 02:21:47.639
I think I can see Tim's Wang here actually outlined against...

3412
02:21:48.299 --> 02:21:50.219
Is it impressive?

3413
02:21:50.280 --> 02:21:51.899
Well, it's a little bit hard to see it.

3414
02:21:51.959 --> 02:21:54.059
It's not a very clear photo.

3415
02:21:54.120 --> 02:21:55.440
Well, have a good look when we're watching it.

3416
02:21:55.500 --> 02:21:56.760
Keep an eye out for it.

3417
02:21:57.540 --> 02:22:00.000
We're going talk about something.

3418
02:22:00.360 --> 02:22:02.459
Yeah, I do remember that.

3419
02:22:02.520 --> 02:22:04.440
I thought Varek was in it, but he isn't.

3420
02:22:05.100 --> 02:22:08.100
Yeah, but he's in something anyway.

3421
02:22:08.459 --> 02:22:10.440
Oh, yeah, okay.

3422
02:22:10.500 --> 02:22:13.139
Well, that will be miserable, but well, have fun with it.

3423
02:22:13.200 --> 02:22:14.040
That's it.

3424
02:22:14.040 --> 02:22:17.399
So we go and watch something that is huge and ambitious and kind

3425
02:22:17.399 --> 02:22:24.659
of... and you're complaining about the camera work and then you'll

3426
02:22:24.659 --> 02:22:28.200
have fucking David Livingston or some dipshit just sticking the

3427
02:22:28.200 --> 02:22:29.100
camera in one place.

3428
02:22:30.600 --> 02:22:32.520
You love it.

3429
02:22:32.579 --> 02:22:33.420
Don't even.

3430
02:22:33.420 --> 02:22:37.500
Don't even come with me, you bloody love, nutty strict.

3431
02:22:40.979 --> 02:22:43.319
And you know what, right?

3432
02:22:43.379 --> 02:22:47.159
I can't remember the end of the episode, but I can almost bet that

3433
02:22:47.159 --> 02:22:49.739
those...

3434
02:22:49.739 --> 02:22:52.979
The marquee people all work together to save the day from the

3435
02:22:52.979 --> 02:22:53.340
cheese.

3436
02:22:53.819 --> 02:22:55.979
Do they save Tuvok?

3437
02:22:56.040 --> 02:22:56.819
What do you reckon?

3438
02:22:56.879 --> 02:22:57.540
What are the chances?

3439
02:22:57.659 --> 02:22:59.340
I know what they say, too. reckon so.

3440
02:22:59.399 --> 02:23:01.200
Let's bring it up in the next one.

3441
02:23:01.260 --> 02:23:03.180
I say, right, we predicted that.

3442
02:23:04.739 --> 02:23:09.299
When you watch it, though, just quite quickly, remember, this was

3443
02:23:09.299 --> 02:23:11.040
the last episode of series one.

3444
02:23:11.100 --> 02:23:12.120
Oh, okay.

3445
02:23:12.180 --> 02:23:12.780
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

3446
02:23:12.899 --> 02:23:16.319
Because they pushed forward 4 episodes in series 2.

3447
02:23:16.440 --> 02:23:18.360
The 38s or whatever.

3448
02:23:19.799 --> 02:23:20.520
This is where it ended.

3449
02:23:20.579 --> 02:23:22.079
Get the cheese to sit.

3450
02:23:22.200 --> 02:23:23.219
Oh my god.

3451
02:23:23.280 --> 02:23:24.299
The cheese.

3452
02:23:24.360 --> 02:23:28.319
Suddenly makes the discovery finales look really like winners.