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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So, I'm excited this week, because we're back aboard the Starship Discovery, and we haven't been here for quite some time, and it is yet another season finale.

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So we've done the season finale for series three, I think, and now we're here for the season finale of series two.

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So it's series two, episodes 13 and 14, such sweet sorrow and such sweet sorrow, part two, and they're broadcast about 6 years ago.

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So in simpler times, I think.

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I said last week that this made me quite angry at the time.

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Well, this time it made me quite angry, so that's appropriate.

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I have to say that I'm much more chill about it now because I think what annoyed me was that I could see where it was going and it's very clear and they make it very clear because it's the essential job not only of this two-parter, but perhaps even of this season to put them in the future so that they're out of continuity's way.

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And, um, it's a bit of a buying they've made for themselves. isn't it?

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That they've got to catapult themselves 900 years into the future just to stop, you know, rewriting the Star Trek timeline.

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Yeah, and I think that's a shame because I think that Star Trek could do with some rewriting of the timeline.

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And sometimes I think that one of the things that I liked about series one was it's kind of weird, fractious relationship with continuity.

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I enjoyed that, but a lot of people didn't.

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And so that was kind of why I interpreted series 2 as an apology tour in many ways.

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I agree with you.

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Now I've watched this recently.

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I agree with you.

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I now suddenly have some affection for the fractuous relationships of season one and I think actually they're doing something a bit more interesting.

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At the time, I didn't like it because that wasn't the Star Trek I was used to.

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It was like a bit like a cold water thrown in my face.

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What the hell is this?

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We haven't got a crew at the end of episode one.

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Nobody's getting on.

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Michael Burnham's being treated horribly.

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The captain is a murderer.

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Like the security chief.

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You know, that dreadful woman who got eaten by the Tardigrade.

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She's vile.

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What is going on?

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Well, I'll take all of it, all right, over the sweet sorrow I suffered through this 1st episode.

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The ooey, gooey, saccharined, lovey doveyness of everybody staring at each other longingly while strings play and everybody's self-sacrificing themselves and we're telling each other every 2 minutes, what a lovely crew and family and how much we all love each other.

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Oh boy, oh boy, please give me some of that cynicism from season one back.

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This is an apology tour.

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They are going to some efforts to rectify what I think they think is mistakes in the 1st series and stressing to an extreme level how much these characters love each other.

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And for me, it's too much.

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So I think that they have a really hard job to do because what they've got to do.

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So they've decided to go into the future.

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And in a sense that might have been good from the get go.

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It might have been good to have a new era of Star Trek that's said in a new era that we haven't met before.

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And we know from the 3 seasons of discovery that we get after this, that the show flourishes once it's free of the constraints of the past and it can be visually much more adventurous and interesting.

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Um, you know, the technology can be more fun, the visuals can be a little bit more interesting.

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Just catching up with all those races that we know, but 900 years in the future.

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Exactly right.

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All of that stuff is really fun.

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That would have been a really good way of starting it.

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I can see why they didn't start it that way.

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And getting from there to here is the big problem because they have to make it clear that they're going voluntarily because it can't be Voyager.

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They don't want it to be a show where they're trying to get back home.

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And so they have to make it clear that it's voluntary and that it's permanent.

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So we need to see everyone making the decision to do that.

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But that's so implausible.

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That's so impossibly implausible that everyone just goes, yes, we will leave our friends and family behind forever.

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Yeah. and follow my own.

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They literally say, do you know, we signed up to this.

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We knew this was a possible, what you knew going 900 years into the future, never seeing your family and friends and everybody that you've built your life around ever again, it was a possibility.

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Well, why did you sign up then?

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That line is that they knew the death was a possibility, I think.

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In season three, they do, for a few episodes, show them adjusting to being cut off everybody, but it's very soon forgotten.

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And I just don't buy it. everyone would be like, oh, well, we're here.

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Let's just get on with.

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It's very strange.

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Yeah, and so that's the problem.

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That's the problem, that they have this implausible thing and they've got to somehow make it work.

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And they've got to make it satisfying too in a show where things have emotional consequences, which is not.

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Do they have emotional consequences?

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But that's not what Star Trek has hitherto been.

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So Star Trek in the 90s is very, very focussed on essentially a male adolescent audience.

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Do you know what I mean?

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and is absolutely sent into rounds.

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It's around its concerns.

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Whereas this is trying to be more adult drama and is trying to, you know, have people behave in a plausible way.

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But they've got this just impossible task.

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And so I don't think they've managed to sell it.

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But I can see them trying to make it work and particularly in this episode.

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You say adult.

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I was getting sort of teen drama vibes.

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The sort of shows I watched in the 90s where it was very lovely W, where people did the, so, Buffy without the, without the knowing eyes of the audience.

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That's what I was getting here Well, when I say adult drama, it was when it show the show started, it was very violent, it was it used horror tropes, there was swearing.

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Fabulous.

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Well, not the swear.

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People had sex.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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No, I loved all of that.

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I did like people being eating Bartard de Bray, so that was great.

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Yeah, yeah.

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I mean, it was kind of nasty, wasn't it, at times?

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blood flying in the air.

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Fabulous.

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Exactly.

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And what you talked about about what discovery is like in series one where everyone is kind of horrible and discoveries are horrible plays to be.

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And, you know, they do some things, I think, in series 2 that are good.

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They bring Anson Mount abroad, which is genius.

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Although I did feel a tangible difference from him here to what we get later in Strange New Worlds.

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I don't think they've quite refined the character to the one that fronts that show.

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He was a bit more serious in this as well.

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He's so much more relaxed in strange new worlds.

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That's right.

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Well, Strangely Worlds has just a very different tone.

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And I think it's more successful because it comes out of the gate into a world where they've had experience creating some seasons of Star Trek at this and they kind of know what they're doing.

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They've got time to think they're not kind of making it up as they go along in quite the same way.

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And it has a very clear idea of what it is.

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I mean, if you were to give the one sentence pitch of what Star Trek discovery is.

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It's kind of like, well, she's initially a prisoner and then she's on board a horrible shit, but the captain is the, you know, from the mirror universe and then someone else comes along and then they go 950 years in the future and stuff.

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It's just like, what even is the concept of this show?

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You can't state it, whereas Stranger Worlds is, they're on the enterprise and they're kind of travelling through space doing Star Trek thing.

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Wonderful.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Although, the way this show mutates, it is, it is interesting.

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Just how much changes from year to year is super interesting.

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And I think it's more ambitious, you know, than any of the other Kurtzman Treks, I think.

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But I do think bringing in characters from original Star Trek, bringing in the enterprise, backtracking on the characterisation choices you made in it, it is a step backwards.

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It's not a step forward.

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It's playing it safe.

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It's being less risky.

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It's giving Star Trek fans what Star Trek fans think they want.

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And yet, weirdly enough, aside from the, I think there was a push against the dollop of syrup that was guzzled down at the end of this season.

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I mean, Jesus Christ, we made a joke, you and me, about how in 90s trek, every time, you know, Captain Jane, where Captain Cisco, Captain Picard says, right, well, we're going into this impossible situation now.

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You know, anyone who wants to just step over that line and you can stay and no one does.

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But we certainly didn't have half an hour of people standing around all talking about how they're going to self-sacro.

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Michael Burnham, does it?

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Spock does it and some Mount character does it.

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The whole crew does it.

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I'm like, all right, you're all going to sacrifice.

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You all love each other. fucking get on with it already.

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That was my biggest issue with this two-parter, yeah?

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Is that after the 1st 10 minutes, fuck all happens in this 1st episode.

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It is just a series of protracted character scenes of people stressing how much they love each other.

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And then you jump into episode 2 and you have 5 minutes of manic preparations before the action starts, which absolutely could have happened in this episode and we could have ended this episode on all of those ships appearing and the action about to start.

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It's just baffling the way this is paced.

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I actually think it's not quite as bad as you say.

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I think that you are emphasising the bits that you don't like very much and saying they take longer than they do.

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Literally, nothing happens in the last half of this episode.

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And then it's go, go, go.

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I mean, that is the 2nd last episode and last episode thing.

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You know, the 1st episode builds up to the climax and then there's a thing.

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I think that this does spend too much time on some of that stuff, but I think some of that stuff is well done.

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And I can see what they have to do is wrap up this version of the show completely to do something new.

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I mean, I don't think that you can complain that what we leave behind has a lot of people standing around talking to each other about their feelings as well.

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This is obviously not the culmination of 7 years of a show, but this is a show having to wrap itself up and wrap up all of its dangling blot lines and then head off and do something else.

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And you said, what, you leave behind doing that as well?

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Well, yeah, we was wrapping off all of it, dangling.

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Well, there's a war and battle scene forces.

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Oh, no, it just takes a long time to get there, that's all.

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So, like, I don't think this is as bad as I feared it was because my memory of it was a lot of people crying at each other for an hour on end, and I don't think it is quite bad.

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It certainly did seem like that at the time.

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Yeah, I found myself relieved that there was less of that than I expected.

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I mean, I found myself relieved when the action started in the 2nd episode because then I was like, okay, good. something's happening at last So one more thing.

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This is directed by Olatunde Ossansanmi, who is the person who has directed more discovery than anyone else.

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He did 14 episodes of Discovery, including the finale, and he has an executive producers role, I think, and he directed Section 31, and he did some really pivotal episodes as well.

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So he is very much responsible, I think, for the way that this show is directed.

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And I...

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Why did you bring that up?

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You know I've got something to say.

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I'm going to be... all episode and I think he does a smashing job of this.

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I think he is really good.

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I think I think he's too scared to keep the camera still.

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Like, it never, ever stops moving in this episode.

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And there are scenes where people are just sitting around talking, right, there could just be nice 2 shots and it's constantly moving around.

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I'll show you as we go through.

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I was just constantly distracted. about who the fuck is talking?

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The camera's moving across.

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No, it's going, it's just dizzying at times.

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And I'm like, Jesus Christ, the actors don't have a hope in these scenes because the camera's not settling on them for any period of time.

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It's so distracting.

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I don't think that's true.

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I think that it's much less...

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Most of the weird.

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Yeah, okay.

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All right, one moment where the camera is still...

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This is the really kind of virtuoso whirling the camera around stuff leads us from one scene to another.

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That's where most of that stuff happens.

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And the camera is less static now in TV these days than it was in the 90s and we constantly complain about how staid the direction is in 90s track.

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I think there's a happy medium between the 2 though, and it ain't this.

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Not when I was just, one, I was constantly aware that they were trying to make me feel things in this episode.

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And that's a problem because then I wasn't feeling it.

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I was just totally aware of the artifice of it.

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Two, I was constantly aware of the movement of the camera, and I was watching that more than I was enjoying the scene, and that was a problem.

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There's just they just try so hard.

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And I know that's a ridiculous thing to complain about.

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They're trying really hard, but sometimes you can try too hard and it's a distraction.

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I'm just...

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I'm just...

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The action was great.

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The action was brilliant, especially in the 2nd episode and I thought that's absolutely cinematic at times.

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It's beautiful, the action.

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And the special effects and all are absolutely gorgeous.

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But God, just slow it down.

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Well, no.

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Pace up the action and slow down the camera.

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All right.

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Well, let's see what happens because I think you'll find that there are more scenes of just people talking without the camera getting in the way and it's fine.

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No, no, no.

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Others are getting away.

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It just doesn't stop moving.

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It's not.

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It's annoying.

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Okay, well let's watch this thing.

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Okay.

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I'm gonna count this in.

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Five, four, three, two, one. and we're off.

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Now, I had to do some research.

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This is the introduction of Po, and that is in the 1st short trek.

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So there's a 10 minute scene with just her and Tilly meeting and becoming friends.

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And when she gets mentioned here, I think Tilly has a great fun moment.

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This is from last week.

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Oh, she's great.

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Yeah, she's really good.

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This is from last week.

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We're on Borath, which...

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So that's Dread cool, Klingons.

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That guy is played by the guy who played Takuvma.

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And so this is last week.

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Last week we had Pike.

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He took the time crystal, but the cost of the time crystal was not only finding out his future, but being unable to change it.

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And so there he sees the future that awaits him.

216
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Where did these time crystals come from?

217
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There are time crystals in original trek, I think.

218
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It is not an invention of discovery.

219
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It is part of the law.

220
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I mean, it's worth remembering, right?

221
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We did watch an original series episode where they just pop back in time as a scientific exploration.

222
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Do you remember?

223
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It's crazy.

224
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It is crazy.

225
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Yeah, assignment Earth, you know?

226
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So the other thing is too, that on board discovery, there is data from a sphere, which they encounter early on in the season, and it's a big life form that gets them and downloads, it's all of these 100s of 1000s of years of data into the computer, and that's how we get Zora in series three.

227
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Oh, okay.

228
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So okay.

229
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And we'll control them.

230
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This AI computer controlling section 31.

231
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So it's AI's threat assessment system.

232
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It was created by Section 31 to do threat assessment.

233
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It is an AI, but it turns on section 31 and wipes out everyone in the bass and then just pretends that its business as usual and sends holograms of section 31 people off to talk to people, but they're all fake.

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It's like, oh, that's you.

235
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They need a good marketer after this, don't they?

236
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They really do.

237
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Bit embarrassing.

238
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We all did.

239
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So, so there's like.

240
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Is this why they went underground in the future, you know, we don't see much of them in the 90s. a bit embarrassed by all those.

241
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So this is here to sell what I think is the weirdest decision in the in the show, which is to stop us.

242
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Oh, look, look at this handsome guy.

243
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Are you talking about...

244
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Okay, sorry.

245
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Are you talking about the bit where her parents show up?

246
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Yeah, halfway through the episode for an emotional scene.

247
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Simply because it's the final episode, I was a bit baffled about that as well.

248
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That's right I love Tilly grabbing her stuff.

249
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Like all of this abandoning the thing is moments for just little character stuff.

250
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So that's the dagger that his sister gave him.

251
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We've seen her.

252
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I think we've seen her before in the season, but there's a whole short track around her.

253
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All of that sort of stuff.

254
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Look at this beautiful shot.

255
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Discovery's bigger than enterprise.

256
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I am.

257
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Oh, no, I said this during the chat, but I'm going to repeat it now.

258
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Like, yes, you said it was covered in a lion that they can't just delete this sphere data, right?

259
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So they have to find some extreme way to get rid of it.

260
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But taking it 900 years into the future.

261
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Just seems like such an extreme solution.

262
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So the reason is, of course, that they're using the suit, a replica of the suit that Burnham's mother used.

263
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And so she jumped 950 years into the future to discover that control and and the sphere data had merged and had wiped out all of life.

264
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And we get to see that in a flash forward.

265
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So we know that that's what at stake.

266
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That's what's at stake and she keeps coming back from 950 years in the future in the suit to try and intervene to stop it from happening.

267
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And so that's why that's the time.

268
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And to have protracted emotional scenes with her daughter.

269
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That's a terrible episode.

270
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Is she gone now then?

271
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she gone?

272
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can't remember.

273
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She does turn up in series 3 and she has become one of the Romulan sincerity nuns who we are big fans of here on Untitled Star Trek Project.

274
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Oh, Nathan, look at it.

275
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Pretty, pretty sport.

276
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Oh, he looks great.

277
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Yes.

278
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Oh, I mean, it's full of pretty people.

279
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I can't complain on that front.

280
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Oh, here's another one.

281
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Colbert, very pretty.

282
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And so this is another plot that has to get resolved because of course they make the mistake of killing him at the end of series one and I think it is a mistake.

283
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It's a shocking character moment, but it's sort of awful.

284
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And they really make us pay for it.

285
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Like, they don't just resurrect you.

286
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Which game of frozen at this point?

287
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I don't know.

288
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This is not...

289
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Are they going for those sort of shock moments like Game of Thrones did?

290
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you know, where everyone talked about, my God, did you see the death of Cola?

291
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

292
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This goes out in April 2019. so I'm not quite sure.

293
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Look, there's some good camera work there moving us into her wherever she is.

294
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Yeah.

295
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So...

296
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So she's staring at the time crystal.

297
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So Boris is a Klingon monastery, isn't it, in Deep Space and Iron and a 90s track?

298
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If you say so, I don't really pay attention.

299
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It might be where Kayla sounds up.

300
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You know, it may be where Kayla ends up.

301
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I don't think they've invented it for this.

302
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I wish Pike's hair was as dramatic as usual. as big as it is flat these days, isn't it?

303
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So once kind of interesting about this, and they do follow it up, what they do, they do a really good job of this in Strange Shoe World.

304
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So he has just learned what his future is at this and more than that, he's accepted it.

305
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He chose to accept this future in order to get hold of the time crystal in order to save this.

306
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And there's stuff around faith and kind of predestination here because, of course, what ends up happening is everything that they've already experienced is caused by someone time travelling from the future.

307
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And so, uh, they, so this is her touching the crystal.

308
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She's seeing a vision of the future where everyone gets killed.

309
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We don't see it actually... or control storms in and murders everyone.

310
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I got so excited during this bit, didn't I?

311
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Oh, my God.

312
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The entire crew's been murdered.

313
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Blake 7 star.

314
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We don't see it yet.

315
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We don't see the full thing.

316
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We just see the flash forward.

317
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She just gets the flash forward and then later on we'll see all of it.

318
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But there has been a scene of everything being destroyed by control and the sphere data merging.

319
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So the Big Bad this year is AI.

320
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Yeah, and funnily enough, next season of Picard, the Big Bad is AI as well, and you'll remember the Jart Vash, the Romulan doomsday cult, oh, we have to mention this.

321
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This is us on board Enterprise for the 1st time.

322
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So we've seen a bowl.

323
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But this is our seeing Enterprise for the 1st time.

324
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And it is...

325
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We're going to the bridge for the 1st time.

326
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Yeah, but the corridors with the red, like that turbo lift with the with the thing that you turn and the, like, it's absolutely doing.

327
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One thing that this does is we are doing Star Trek, but we are reimagining it.

328
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Do you know what I mean?

329
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We're not doing what Deep Space 9 and Next Generation did and just saying that it always looked like this.

330
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This is the 60s bridge and that's what it looked like.

331
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This is the 60s bridge.

332
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But look how stunningly beautiful it is.

333
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It's still got all the colours.

334
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It's a beautiful show.

335
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Wild Away Falls.

336
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It also feels a little bit like passing the baton as well. i.e. we're off to the future with our advanced spaceship and we're staying with the enterprise in the past.

337
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And at that point, we didn't have strange new worlds.

338
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People were clamouring for it because they really enjoyed Anson Mount and Rebecca remained. reading up about that.

339
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Apparently, it was quite a number of requests.

340
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Yeah, people just said these.

341
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They knew they had something.

342
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Yeah, yeah.

343
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But originally, of course, what happens is this leads into, this is said a few years before Star Trek.

344
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And so it is, you know, we end up following the enterprise, discovery disappears from canon, and then we end up following enterprise.

345
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Oh, here is Philippa.

346
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Boy, thank God.

347
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Giorgio, the best character in all of Discovery. walks on the Enterprise Bridge and goes, orange, really.

348
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She has the best lines throughout this entire thing.

349
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There's one bit where she cuts down Michael Burnham.

350
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Oh, in the corridor saying, oh, this bloody self-sacrifice.

351
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Yeah, you're very impressive, don't you?

352
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Now she's imagining now she's imagining killing Leland, which of course she'll get to do.

353
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And obviously, you know, you've got to get her to be kicking him in the head and stuff.

354
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Fuck, look at that shit.

355
00:24:30.599 --> 00:24:31.920
So weird though.

356
00:24:31.980 --> 00:24:33.960
It's like having your cake and eating it, right?

357
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They want to do all this twee earnestness.

358
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But they're also willing to comment on it as well.

359
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So they know they're doing it.

360
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They know tend to.

361
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That's right.

362
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I think part of the problem is part of the problem here is that she's more fun than the people. and there's a moment there's a moment where Anson Mount gets his own back because he doesn't know.

363
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No one knows that Georgia is from the Mirror Universe.

364
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And so as they part, because of course, Shorjo goes with them into the future, as her and Anson Mount part, she goes, oh, by the way, I'm from the Terrad Empire, and I'm super evil, and Anson Mount just winks at her, she disappears, which that's him being fun.

365
00:25:14.759 --> 00:25:25.079
So, like, I said to you, didn't I, what, um, what is the big difference here between the discovery crew and the strange new world's crew?

366
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And I thought it was like the sort of the quirkiness and how funny the crew are and how much more relaxed they are in Strange New World.

367
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There are glimmers of it here.

368
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There's a great moment where Jet Lano says, you know, let's move our asses and then she realises what she says and goes, oh, sorry.

369
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And there's a bit where Stamitz goes.

370
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I still hate you, you know.

371
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And she goes, great.

372
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I hate you too.

373
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And just a bit with chilli, and there are touches.

374
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It's just like it's almost like it just they haven't relaxed enough to let all that stuff flourish.

375
00:25:55.740 --> 00:25:57.720
But I don't think that that's what they want to do.

376
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Like, I think that they want this to be more serious. it's a fair approach.

377
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Well, but it's it's an approach that you can take and it, you know, what ends up.

378
00:26:07.619 --> 00:26:08.160
Yeah, I know.

379
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Rocks.

380
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Look at all the rocks all over the floor. this, yeah, that's right.

381
00:26:12.240 --> 00:26:16.500
So it turns out in the past they packed in more rocks than any other time.

382
00:26:16.559 --> 00:26:20.700
Well, no, they've got more budget for rocks in Gertz for Trek.

383
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Look at the rocks there. motion rocks.

384
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Oh my goodness.

385
00:26:24.240 --> 00:26:25.259
Oh, man, oh, man.

386
00:26:25.319 --> 00:26:27.119
It's like a whole fucking quarry.

387
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Notice that we haven't had opening credits yet.

388
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We are, how far in, are we?

389
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We're 11 minutes in and we haven't had the opening.

390
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This episode follows the role of telling you what it's about in the pre-title sequence.

391
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Well, kind of.

392
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So you've got Leland who, forgive me, is just impossibly hard.

393
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Matt is murdering everybody on the Discovery Crew.

394
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I love everyone.

395
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He is hot.

396
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That's it.

397
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No, tears.

398
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He's just killed him, Ma.

399
00:26:57.960 --> 00:27:00.960
Oh, he was killed O. See, we like...

400
00:27:00.960 --> 00:27:02.700
Oh, it just faces him though.

401
00:27:02.759 --> 00:27:07.140
She doesn't let him break, break, break.

402
00:27:07.259 --> 00:27:07.440
Sorry.

403
00:27:07.440 --> 00:27:13.920
I think I was going to end up just screaming the word die during this episode, but I love this bit.

404
00:27:14.279 --> 00:27:18.359
So, so, so is he, hang on.

405
00:27:18.420 --> 00:27:19.799
He's an AI.

406
00:27:19.859 --> 00:27:21.359
Replicant?

407
00:27:21.359 --> 00:27:21.900
What is he?

408
00:27:21.960 --> 00:27:22.980
full of nanobots.

409
00:27:23.039 --> 00:27:24.420
So he is Leland.

410
00:27:25.559 --> 00:27:28.740
So the AI has killed all of the people.

411
00:27:28.799 --> 00:27:39.599
So there's a ship, during the season, and again, I didn't rewatch the whole season and I can't remember everything, I've definitely watched this finale a couple of times, but I haven't watched the rest of the season a couple of times.

412
00:27:39.660 --> 00:27:41.880
Most of the episodes I've only ever seen once.

413
00:27:41.940 --> 00:27:52.140
But I do remember that they had a ship and it was Philippa Ash and Leland on the ship and that was the section 31 ship, but everyone is killed on the section 31 ship.

414
00:27:52.140 --> 00:27:57.960
And Leland is full of nanobots, which we see pouring out of him and stuff at the end.

415
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And we've seen...

416
00:27:58.980 --> 00:27:59.819
How was she seeing that vision?

417
00:28:00.299 --> 00:28:02.880
It's the time crystal, remember?

418
00:28:02.940 --> 00:28:05.579
She touches the crystal.

419
00:28:05.640 --> 00:28:09.539
And it's warning her what will happen, just like...

420
00:28:09.539 --> 00:28:10.619
Wow, thank God it did that.

421
00:28:10.680 --> 00:28:12.240
Otherwise, they may have made the mistake.

422
00:28:12.299 --> 00:28:29.519
But remember the time crystal is there because it has to be there because it's the time crystal, that means that they, because this is a very moffety episode where we later just go back through the season and do all of the things that needed to happen in order to make the episodes occur.

423
00:28:29.579 --> 00:28:33.240
And so all of this depends on the successful outcome of this.

424
00:28:33.240 --> 00:28:40.259
And that's one thing that she, that was part of what they were talking about before her and Pike in that scene.

425
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Thank God for the time, Crystal.

426
00:28:42.960 --> 00:28:45.359
She says, this is why we have it.

427
00:28:45.420 --> 00:28:49.200
The Time Crystal is telling her what happens if we don't leave.

428
00:28:49.259 --> 00:28:51.900
If we don't leave, we have to go to the future.

429
00:28:51.960 --> 00:28:54.359
So the time crystal's told her, and there you go.

430
00:28:54.420 --> 00:28:55.440
Opening credits.

431
00:28:55.740 --> 00:28:57.900
It absolutely amazing how rule. are we?

432
00:28:57.960 --> 00:28:59.579
13 years. 13 minutes.

433
00:28:59.640 --> 00:29:02.099
But there's only half an hour to go.

434
00:29:02.160 --> 00:29:05.640
So yeah, and you were complaining about an hour of benching and stuff.

435
00:29:05.700 --> 00:29:15.960
There was no, there was no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, the 1st 10, 15 minutes were good, and then it was half an hour of love.

436
00:29:16.019 --> 00:29:17.400
It's not even half an hour.

437
00:29:17.640 --> 00:29:20.099
It all... 33 minutes.

438
00:29:20.160 --> 00:29:21.779
That is over half an hour. you very much.

439
00:29:21.839 --> 00:29:24.599
It's not all going to be us talking about how much we love each other.

440
00:29:24.660 --> 00:29:30.779
But it does obey the rule because it goes into the opening credits on Michael saying we have to go to the future.

441
00:29:31.500 --> 00:29:35.160
And so from this point, we know that that's what's happening.

442
00:29:35.220 --> 00:29:42.480
At this point in the episode, I'm pretty annoyed because I really liked what we had before and I didn't want them to throw it away.

443
00:29:42.539 --> 00:29:46.019
And I thought it was caving to very boring Star Trek fans.

444
00:29:46.440 --> 00:29:50.460
But now I'm happy about it because it turned out okay.

445
00:29:50.519 --> 00:29:53.640
Mark Adam says, I will go to the future and I will do this.

446
00:29:53.700 --> 00:29:54.779
So I'll sacrifice myself.

447
00:29:54.839 --> 00:29:55.200
Yeah?

448
00:29:55.259 --> 00:29:56.460
No there's a reason for it.

449
00:29:56.880 --> 00:30:00.359
No, no, no, but she says she'll do it on her own.

450
00:30:00.359 --> 00:30:01.559
And then they're all saying that.

451
00:30:01.619 --> 00:30:03.359
The reason that it has to be on her own.

452
00:30:03.420 --> 00:30:15.359
The reason it has to be her is that the ship is as usual keyed into her mother's DNA, and so she's the only one who can fly it because she has half of her mother's DNA.

453
00:30:15.420 --> 00:30:19.619
And of course, she's the main character of the show, and that's obviously how it's going to work.

454
00:30:19.680 --> 00:30:22.380
But there's an in episode reason for it.

455
00:30:22.440 --> 00:30:24.660
It's not just that she's more selfless than everyone.

456
00:30:25.380 --> 00:30:27.720
I just don't want to be this person.

457
00:30:27.779 --> 00:30:31.079
Yeah, but DNA controlled suits.

458
00:30:31.140 --> 00:30:35.759
It's time crystals, AI computer's gone evil.

459
00:30:35.819 --> 00:30:37.500
Oh, no, but it's all just a bit dumb.

460
00:30:37.559 --> 00:30:39.000
It's all Star Trek.

461
00:30:39.059 --> 00:30:40.319
Look at this beautiful shot.

462
00:30:40.380 --> 00:30:42.960
So this is on the Enterprise.

463
00:30:43.019 --> 00:30:46.319
This is their their room. their kind of ready room.

464
00:30:46.380 --> 00:30:48.539
Only much nicer than it was in the 60s.

465
00:30:48.599 --> 00:30:53.400
Yeah, so this is explaining why... shot, shot, shot, shot, shot.

466
00:30:53.460 --> 00:30:55.019
But we're getting reactions.

467
00:30:55.079 --> 00:30:56.039
We're getting their faces.

468
00:30:56.099 --> 00:30:57.359
We're seeing them reacting.

469
00:30:57.420 --> 00:31:00.059
He's speaking, she's speaking.

470
00:31:00.180 --> 00:31:02.640
We've got the camera on the people who are speaking.

471
00:31:02.700 --> 00:31:03.960
It's moving slightly.

472
00:31:04.019 --> 00:31:08.579
It's sort of tilting weirdly, the whole thing. because that's what the camera does now.

473
00:31:08.640 --> 00:31:10.259
Just keep it still.

474
00:31:10.319 --> 00:31:14.279
It's not, but like, it's not whirling around. anything.

475
00:31:14.339 --> 00:31:15.900
This is fairly standard.

476
00:31:15.900 --> 00:31:17.940
I've been watching some modern day TV.

477
00:31:18.000 --> 00:31:18.720
Shock horror.

478
00:31:18.779 --> 00:31:19.079
I know.

479
00:31:19.200 --> 00:31:21.000
I've been watching Star Wars shows.

480
00:31:21.059 --> 00:31:24.480
The camera ain't doing this, you know, like it's on our bloody pendulum.

481
00:31:24.539 --> 00:31:30.720
Yeah, I think that you're, I mean, this is very, very staid the direction of this.

482
00:31:30.779 --> 00:31:31.859
This is very standard.

483
00:31:35.759 --> 00:31:38.160
Camera's moving very gently.

484
00:31:38.220 --> 00:31:39.059
It's fine.

485
00:31:39.119 --> 00:31:41.339
I don't I don't see the problem.

486
00:31:41.400 --> 00:31:42.900
Just keep it still.

487
00:31:43.140 --> 00:31:49.019
But it's not preventing you from hearing the dialogue or seeing the reaction.

488
00:31:49.019 --> 00:31:49.920
To the left.

489
00:31:50.759 --> 00:31:52.559
To the right.

490
00:31:52.619 --> 00:31:53.700
To the left.

491
00:31:53.759 --> 00:31:56.700
Stranger worlds does this as well, you know.

492
00:31:56.759 --> 00:31:59.220
Straight she whirls, the camera moves like that.

493
00:31:59.279 --> 00:32:00.119
I don't notice it.

494
00:32:00.180 --> 00:32:02.460
Let's do a Strange New World episode soon, Paul.

495
00:32:03.779 --> 00:32:10.259
I do, I mean, I like the light source is coming in, sort of. something nice.

496
00:32:10.319 --> 00:32:16.799
That's, I mean, that is a great thing and it's something that I think happens for the 1st time really in generations.

497
00:32:16.859 --> 00:32:24.240
Remember the shock of seeing 10 forward with actual orange, like yellow light pouring in through the windows.

498
00:32:24.299 --> 00:32:25.559
It was so good.

499
00:32:25.619 --> 00:32:27.240
It made it seem so much more real.

500
00:32:30.299 --> 00:32:32.640
Oh, so here's the idea.

501
00:32:32.700 --> 00:32:39.599
She wants to blow up a nova and then it will kill everyone, says Saru, and she says, yep, yep.

502
00:32:40.140 --> 00:32:42.660
Michael, we're not doing that.

503
00:32:42.720 --> 00:32:43.319
That's wonderful.

504
00:32:45.059 --> 00:32:48.000
That was one of the few times I laughed out loud.

505
00:32:48.059 --> 00:32:50.819
You know, it's got to kill all people.

506
00:32:50.819 --> 00:32:52.559
Yeah, a 100 light years.

507
00:32:52.619 --> 00:32:53.819
Yeah, and...

508
00:32:53.819 --> 00:32:56.880
I tell you what.

509
00:32:56.940 --> 00:33:01.859
Who else is really great is Katrina.

510
00:33:01.920 --> 00:33:04.319
So, is that the character's name?

511
00:33:04.559 --> 00:33:06.779
I don't even know who that is.

512
00:33:06.839 --> 00:33:10.259
Katrina Cornwell, Admiral Cornwell The woman who was...

513
00:33:10.259 --> 00:33:14.579
She had the relationship with thing with...

514
00:33:14.579 --> 00:33:19.140
You're going to fight me on this, but the Enterprise is a much nicer spaceship than Discovery, you know.

515
00:33:19.200 --> 00:33:21.420
Oh, but the thing I like about Discovery...

516
00:33:21.420 --> 00:33:33.059
I think it looks gorgeous. dark, and I like the burnished metal, like I like that instead of being gray, it's kind of brass and like that's a very different look.

517
00:33:33.119 --> 00:33:37.559
I think this is a beautiful, beautiful. nostalgia.

518
00:33:37.619 --> 00:33:40.619
Look, she's got that fabulous thing that you peer into at the front there.

519
00:33:40.680 --> 00:33:41.700
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

520
00:33:41.759 --> 00:33:42.420
It looks...

521
00:33:42.539 --> 00:33:46.500
I mean, it, I, you know, obviously the Strange New World said.

522
00:33:46.559 --> 00:33:49.559
This is not what we go with, and in the 1st episode of Strange New Worlds.

523
00:33:49.619 --> 00:33:53.759
We hear that Enterprise has been in SpaceDock being redesigned to look a bit less like this.

524
00:33:53.880 --> 00:34:02.940
Um, and it, um, But I just think, you know, this looks great.

525
00:34:03.000 --> 00:34:14.579
The new one looks great, but obviously the sets are bigger and more complicated, but they're still obviously trying to, and less blue, I think, a bit more white, but they're still trying to evoke the old show.

526
00:34:15.179 --> 00:34:17.099
I like all that.

527
00:34:17.699 --> 00:34:19.739
It sounds like a backhanded compliment.

528
00:34:19.800 --> 00:34:23.280
I do like all the funky aliens they've got as well, big parts in this.

529
00:34:23.340 --> 00:34:28.440
Like they literally make up people or put them in crazy minds. background.

530
00:34:28.500 --> 00:34:29.039
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

531
00:34:29.099 --> 00:34:39.539
So this is really great too, because it turns out that we're on the planet Zahir, which has dilithium supplies, and it turns out the Tilly knows the queen of Zahir from that short trek.

532
00:34:39.599 --> 00:34:43.739
And so she finds herself in this position where she can sort of name drop.

533
00:34:43.800 --> 00:34:49.619
I know the, I know the queen of this planet and can get her on board and she is really good.

534
00:34:49.679 --> 00:34:52.500
Like, I can't remember what that episode is called.

535
00:34:52.500 --> 00:34:55.260
It's called the runaway or something like that and it is very cute.

536
00:34:55.320 --> 00:34:57.599
And it is a little bit strange.

537
00:34:57.659 --> 00:35:01.920
Like it's kind of hard to know because it's our 1st short trek and we don't quite know what's happening here.

538
00:35:01.980 --> 00:35:05.760
Why do they not give any close-ups to that hot Asian guy?

539
00:35:05.820 --> 00:35:06.659
He's always in the background.

540
00:35:06.780 --> 00:35:10.139
So he's the, so he is hot, isn't he?

541
00:35:10.199 --> 00:35:12.119
That's very cute.

542
00:35:12.239 --> 00:35:13.199
That's Reese.

543
00:35:13.440 --> 00:35:17.820
And he's he's not communication, so I'm not quite sure what he is.

544
00:35:17.880 --> 00:35:19.380
He's something, but he's...

545
00:35:19.380 --> 00:35:21.719
Give him up, bloody close up, if you're giving F1 a look.

546
00:35:21.780 --> 00:35:24.719
Yeah, Patrick Quakshun as Reese.

547
00:35:24.780 --> 00:35:25.800
Oh, this.

548
00:35:27.239 --> 00:35:31.619
So here we have a conversation where for the 1st time maybe in Star Trek.

549
00:35:31.679 --> 00:35:33.480
Um, I don't know.

550
00:35:33.539 --> 00:35:38.519
We talked about this before, but how important it is to be able to see yourself in the future.

551
00:35:38.579 --> 00:35:41.460
And these 2 are so great.

552
00:35:41.460 --> 00:35:43.380
And they've been estranged.

553
00:35:43.440 --> 00:35:51.900
Do you remember they've just been estranged in the episode from season 2 that we saw before they, you know, you couldn't find anything.

554
00:35:51.960 --> 00:35:54.539
Is that because he was back from the dance...

555
00:35:55.079 --> 00:35:55.559
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

556
00:35:55.619 --> 00:35:56.639
And we make it cost something.

557
00:35:56.699 --> 00:35:57.539
We make it laugh.

558
00:35:57.539 --> 00:35:59.039
Just so sort of things that we all go through.

559
00:35:59.099 --> 00:36:01.079
That's right That's right.

560
00:36:01.139 --> 00:36:02.639
And here they're talking about.

561
00:36:02.760 --> 00:36:04.019
I mean, they play him.

562
00:36:04.079 --> 00:36:04.559
Yeah, yeah.

563
00:36:04.619 --> 00:36:12.179
And they have very natural chemistry, but it's so much better in series 3 when all of this is possible.

564
00:36:12.179 --> 00:36:15.420
And they're just having a relationship in a difficult time.

565
00:36:15.480 --> 00:36:18.719
It's not about zombies or whatever this is.

566
00:36:18.780 --> 00:36:23.159
It's just about 2 people estranged from their home trying to find their way.

567
00:36:23.219 --> 00:36:24.420
But look at this.

568
00:36:24.480 --> 00:36:34.739
They're talking about their plans for the future and they're talking about plans for the future that don't involve each other and they're talking about forward motion, the importance of forward motion.

569
00:36:34.800 --> 00:36:39.000
And what they mean by that is that our relationship is now over.

570
00:36:39.059 --> 00:36:41.280
We're planning to go ahead.

571
00:36:41.340 --> 00:36:43.500
We're not looking back its forward motion.

572
00:36:43.559 --> 00:36:46.920
But of course, it's talking about the show as well at this point.

573
00:36:46.980 --> 00:36:48.119
Do you know what I mean?

574
00:36:48.179 --> 00:36:51.960
Like that their plans for the future are different from what they expect.

575
00:36:52.019 --> 00:37:01.139
And of course, this episode, this 2 parter ends with us not knowing if, um, if Stammets is going to survive as well.

576
00:37:01.619 --> 00:37:11.280
As a, like, you know, the 1st in a line of emotional scenes that are coming up, this one works because...

577
00:37:11.340 --> 00:37:12.119
It's been awkward.

578
00:37:12.179 --> 00:37:15.179
It's a bit tentative and it's a bit more interesting.

579
00:37:15.239 --> 00:37:25.199
And the other one I loved was in the 2nd episode where the 1st goodbye between Spock and Burnham, which was without dialogue, just a couple of looks.

580
00:37:25.260 --> 00:37:28.679
They touch each other's hands, very restrained. loved all of that.

581
00:37:28.739 --> 00:37:31.019
I liked her saying goodbye to Ash as well.

582
00:37:31.139 --> 00:37:34.019
I thought that was really good because again, they had been estranged.

583
00:37:34.079 --> 00:37:35.099
Look at that shot.

584
00:37:35.159 --> 00:37:42.239
That thing where the camera pulls back and we actually go through the transport beam and it's a three-dimensional object.

585
00:37:42.300 --> 00:37:43.320
I think is a beautiful shot.

586
00:37:43.380 --> 00:37:44.219
Oh my god.

587
00:37:44.579 --> 00:37:47.460
Somebody, somebody fun on the ship.

588
00:37:47.699 --> 00:37:50.460
And she's wonderful, isn't she?

589
00:37:50.519 --> 00:37:51.900
She's so great.

590
00:37:51.960 --> 00:37:56.579
What about Michelle Leo's line when she finally gets hold of the ice cream?

591
00:37:56.639 --> 00:37:58.800
Oh, she go, what was it?

592
00:37:58.860 --> 00:38:01.679
This disgusting... or something.

593
00:38:01.739 --> 00:38:02.460
So good.

594
00:38:03.000 --> 00:38:05.099
They're really fun, aren't they?

595
00:38:05.099 --> 00:38:07.320
I cannot make a complaint about any line.

596
00:38:07.380 --> 00:38:09.480
Michelle, yo has in there, though.

597
00:38:09.539 --> 00:38:13.500
She could take a shit line and she would spin it into gold.

598
00:38:13.559 --> 00:38:14.940
She's magic. absolutely magic.

599
00:38:15.300 --> 00:38:17.039
Well done.

600
00:38:17.099 --> 00:38:28.920
So, of course, her name is Mahani Ika Harley Carpo, and he gets it right the 1st time and impresses her, and now we have her going to help with the time crystal.

601
00:38:28.980 --> 00:38:32.699
Oh, we have to charge it or something, don't we?

602
00:38:32.760 --> 00:38:35.760
Oh, and his jet, Reno, who's just not in the show enough.

603
00:38:36.420 --> 00:38:38.579
No, why is that?

604
00:38:38.639 --> 00:38:40.260
There was a reason for that.

605
00:38:40.320 --> 00:38:41.159
Well, no, no, no.

606
00:38:41.219 --> 00:38:43.260
I swear that she could only do a certain amount.

607
00:38:43.320 --> 00:38:46.920
I've read an interview with her that she could only do a certain amount.

608
00:38:47.039 --> 00:38:49.860
Which is a shame because she has got buckets of personality.

609
00:38:49.920 --> 00:38:51.480
Oh, she's wonderful, isn't she?

610
00:38:51.539 --> 00:38:52.199
She's really great.

611
00:38:52.260 --> 00:38:55.980
And I think her and stammets are really good together too, and they really lean into that.

612
00:38:56.039 --> 00:39:19.260
So when we go to the future, as you said before on the chat, Discovery disappears from its own show for about 5 minutes or maybe even a bit more at the end to leave the enterprise to kind of take on the, you know, to pass the bat on to the enterprise, who we're going to follow, you know, way back in 1966 and so on.

613
00:39:19.320 --> 00:39:21.360
And it turns out it's...

614
00:39:21.420 --> 00:39:22.199
Oh, dude.

615
00:39:22.260 --> 00:39:27.239
I just, as an episode of Discovery, I thought leaving that ambiguous.

616
00:39:27.300 --> 00:39:28.619
Where the hell would they go?

617
00:39:28.679 --> 00:39:29.880
I think it's really strong.

618
00:39:29.940 --> 00:39:31.260
I think it's a great thing.

619
00:39:31.260 --> 00:39:33.719
Don't we open 3 with...

620
00:39:33.719 --> 00:39:35.460
It's just burns, Michael.

621
00:39:35.519 --> 00:39:35.760
Yeah.

622
00:39:35.880 --> 00:39:48.659
But then episode 2 very, very strongly leans into Stammets, Kulba and Jet Reno. all together in the aftermath of that accident and it's really, really great.

623
00:39:48.719 --> 00:39:49.980
The 3 of them are really good together.

624
00:39:51.119 --> 00:39:54.539
It's like, they want to piss off the Star Trek fans.

625
00:39:54.659 --> 00:39:56.519
Where the hell's discovery gone?

626
00:39:56.579 --> 00:39:58.320
No, and you're not even going to see it in the face.

627
00:39:58.380 --> 00:40:00.119
It's really good.

628
00:40:00.360 --> 00:40:01.500
I think it's properly good.

629
00:40:01.559 --> 00:40:02.639
Yeah, yeah.

630
00:40:03.420 --> 00:40:06.719
Yeah, okay, so this is a fairly standard scene.

631
00:40:06.780 --> 00:40:11.820
Again, the cameras are pretty much just hitting people's faces despite your constant complaining.

632
00:40:12.059 --> 00:40:15.059
The whole thing.

633
00:40:15.059 --> 00:40:18.780
Back and forth is not about anyone's emotions at all.

634
00:40:18.840 --> 00:40:20.820
It's entirely about business.

635
00:40:21.360 --> 00:40:23.219
Tell the right.

636
00:40:25.920 --> 00:40:32.219
This incredibly gentle and subtle camera moves. keep it still.

637
00:40:32.280 --> 00:40:33.960
No, that's so boring.

638
00:40:34.019 --> 00:40:37.019
It's not the 90s.

639
00:40:37.199 --> 00:40:39.119
Oh no, here we go.

640
00:40:39.179 --> 00:40:40.679
But I won't be able to come back.

641
00:40:40.739 --> 00:40:42.900
Are you trying to suggest to me?

642
00:40:42.960 --> 00:40:52.199
Are you trying to suggest to me, you know, we could have had gone on and had a series with all of Discovery Crew minus Michael Burnham?

643
00:40:52.260 --> 00:40:54.900
No, but that would be no good. talking.

644
00:40:54.900 --> 00:40:56.340
But it's an equal.

645
00:40:56.400 --> 00:40:57.000
She's beautiful.

646
00:40:57.059 --> 00:41:00.480
She's the most beautiful person ever in a Star Trek episode.

647
00:41:00.539 --> 00:41:10.260
Now watch the camera here as we land on the ship and we go over that little thing and now we're the right way up looking.

648
00:41:10.320 --> 00:41:11.579
Oh, look at the future, people.

649
00:41:11.639 --> 00:41:13.559
Yeah, they're people.

650
00:41:13.619 --> 00:41:14.639
They're people mad at him.

651
00:41:14.699 --> 00:41:16.199
I wasn't surprised.

652
00:41:16.260 --> 00:41:17.099
It was.

653
00:41:17.159 --> 00:41:18.480
They were rotor.

654
00:41:18.480 --> 00:41:19.139
She did it.

655
00:41:19.199 --> 00:41:19.800
They were.

656
00:41:19.860 --> 00:41:20.940
No, there were people walking along.

657
00:41:21.000 --> 00:41:22.139
That wasn't a CGI person.

658
00:41:22.559 --> 00:41:24.239
Good grief.

659
00:41:24.300 --> 00:41:26.699
That person looks artificial then.

660
00:41:26.760 --> 00:41:30.360
Yeah, it didn't, it wasn't all that great.

661
00:41:30.420 --> 00:41:32.340
But it looked pretty good.

662
00:41:32.400 --> 00:41:34.019
I mean, it was a good special effect shot.

663
00:41:34.079 --> 00:41:34.800
Hello.

664
00:41:34.860 --> 00:41:36.360
Let's go back and watch Enterprise.

665
00:41:36.420 --> 00:41:48.900
So again, she wasn't volunteering to go and never come back and it was only the discovery in that final that scene that we just had where everyone was talking around, these very gentle camera movements here on the bridge scene as well.

666
00:41:48.960 --> 00:41:50.340
Oh, still moving.

667
00:41:50.340 --> 00:41:51.659
To the left.

668
00:41:51.719 --> 00:41:52.980
To the right.

669
00:41:53.280 --> 00:41:57.300
And so now we know, of course, that she won't be able to come back.

670
00:41:57.360 --> 00:41:59.280
And the trust the mystery.

671
00:41:59.340 --> 00:41:59.699
I love that.

672
00:41:59.760 --> 00:42:01.139
Trust the mystery is so good.

673
00:42:01.199 --> 00:42:06.780
Watch them all looking at her longingly as she agrees to sacrifice herself.

674
00:42:06.840 --> 00:42:07.739
My god, what a woman.

675
00:42:07.800 --> 00:42:08.940
They're all thinking.

676
00:42:09.000 --> 00:42:10.260
Yeah, yeah.

677
00:42:10.320 --> 00:42:15.719
And again, like, I just kind of think everyone just get on board the Enterprise, Michael will be fine in the future.

678
00:42:15.780 --> 00:42:16.980
It's nice, you know.

679
00:42:16.980 --> 00:42:18.480
Where's Shaw Show?

680
00:42:18.539 --> 00:42:19.980
She should be there going, oh, God.

681
00:42:20.039 --> 00:42:24.119
I said, you just had Jet Reno call Ash Love Bug.

682
00:42:24.179 --> 00:42:25.980
Sorry, last bug.

683
00:42:26.039 --> 00:42:27.900
We don't have a spore drive right now.

684
00:42:27.960 --> 00:42:29.039
So that's pretty good.

685
00:42:29.099 --> 00:42:30.719
Oh, control's 10 minutes away.

686
00:42:30.780 --> 00:42:31.860
You know what, right?

687
00:42:31.920 --> 00:42:40.500
I know I was being facetious when I suggested a Michaelless discovery, but we could have had Jojo in charge and that would have been much better, much more fun.

688
00:42:40.559 --> 00:42:42.960
But yeah, yeah, yeah. is pretty great.

689
00:42:43.019 --> 00:42:44.099
And we could...

690
00:42:44.159 --> 00:42:48.059
Well, you very nearly had a series where she was in charge and we didn't get it, sadly.

691
00:42:48.179 --> 00:42:49.619
Is that not happening at all?

692
00:42:49.679 --> 00:42:50.880
No, no, no.

693
00:42:50.940 --> 00:42:53.039
She's too big for our stupid show.

694
00:42:53.099 --> 00:42:56.460
I mean, I haven't seen the weakest section 31 thing.

695
00:42:56.519 --> 00:42:56.760
Yeah.

696
00:42:56.820 --> 00:43:00.480
All I know is no matter how bad the Ryan might be.

697
00:43:00.539 --> 00:43:01.079
Shell be amazing.

698
00:43:01.199 --> 00:43:01.980
Yeah.

699
00:43:01.980 --> 00:43:09.239
Well, part of the problem is that she doesn't get to react against all the good people in it because everyone's kind of evil and so we do lose that.

700
00:43:10.139 --> 00:43:12.539
That's a little bit of a shame.

701
00:43:12.659 --> 00:43:15.900
You're not in the pack of evil here, I'm afraid.

702
00:43:15.960 --> 00:43:16.559
That's right.

703
00:43:16.619 --> 00:43:17.159
That's right.

704
00:43:17.219 --> 00:43:22.440
The reason why she stands out so much here is because she really does contrast to everybody else.

705
00:43:22.500 --> 00:43:31.260
Now can I say that we're 28 minutes in and we're yet to really have much of a conversation about our feelings about things?

706
00:43:31.320 --> 00:43:32.280
Oh, you're right.

707
00:43:32.340 --> 00:43:33.119
Yeah, yeah.

708
00:43:33.179 --> 00:43:35.340
See, there's much less... got 20 minutes to go, though.

709
00:43:35.400 --> 00:43:37.019
That's 20 minutes to come.

710
00:43:37.079 --> 00:43:39.300
We're already talking about how Tilly feels.

711
00:43:39.360 --> 00:43:44.579
So, you know, Poe is talking with Tilly about how she feels.

712
00:43:45.059 --> 00:43:47.460
I mean, about my believing.

713
00:43:47.519 --> 00:43:49.500
We just had the same between...

714
00:43:49.500 --> 00:43:50.820
I'm talking about self-sacrifice.

715
00:43:50.880 --> 00:43:53.400
No, no, we have the scene between stamach and culba.

716
00:43:53.519 --> 00:43:56.579
The scene between Samus and Culver is basically the only one.

717
00:43:56.639 --> 00:43:57.780
Yeah, that's at least 10 minutes.

718
00:43:57.840 --> 00:43:59.280
That wasn't 10 minutes.

719
00:43:59.340 --> 00:44:00.059
It was like three.

720
00:44:00.480 --> 00:44:01.860
Okay.

721
00:44:01.980 --> 00:44:03.300
I've really...

722
00:44:03.300 --> 00:44:05.219
Maybe when it comes, it's so...

723
00:44:05.219 --> 00:44:06.539
There is a vomit of it.

724
00:44:07.019 --> 00:44:11.579
It is a big thing, but it's not there's not an hour of it or half an hour of it.

725
00:44:11.639 --> 00:44:12.900
There's a bit less.

726
00:44:13.019 --> 00:44:15.119
Maybe it just feels like an hour.

727
00:44:15.179 --> 00:44:17.039
I think that that might be what's happening.

728
00:44:18.420 --> 00:44:27.000
There is one scene that I think is beautifully directed and very well judged where they are all talking about their feelings that I really like, and I'll point it out when it comes.

729
00:44:27.239 --> 00:44:29.280
I think it's really good.

730
00:44:29.340 --> 00:44:36.539
And it does a good job of doing what it has to do, which is to make us all right with them leaving.

731
00:44:36.599 --> 00:44:38.940
One of the things that I think is a shame.

732
00:44:39.000 --> 00:44:50.579
And I don't know whether they were deliberately avoiding this because no one talks about what the future's going to be like and no one is excited about seeing what the future might be.

733
00:44:50.639 --> 00:44:58.500
And if they've all signed up to be explorers and they have the chance to go 950 years into the future, wouldn't you be excited?

734
00:44:58.500 --> 00:45:03.059
Like, wouldn't you think I really am hanging out to see what that's going to be like?

735
00:45:03.119 --> 00:45:09.179
Um, and that never is anyone's motivation in this episode, which is odd, I think.

736
00:45:09.239 --> 00:45:14.519
I mean, I would be excited, but it would be counterbalanced by the fact that I would never see anybody.

737
00:45:14.579 --> 00:45:15.300
I love ever again.

738
00:45:15.360 --> 00:45:20.760
Yeah, well, there's new people love. book is in the future. for instance, for example.

739
00:45:22.320 --> 00:45:24.360
I'll go off to the future.

740
00:45:24.420 --> 00:45:27.000
I'll never talk to you again I mean, this would make me sad.

741
00:45:27.059 --> 00:45:30.420
I'll you can send me a red...

742
00:45:30.420 --> 00:45:31.139
Oh, wait.

743
00:45:31.199 --> 00:45:32.280
I've just remembered.

744
00:45:32.400 --> 00:45:33.539
You're going to live forever.

745
00:45:33.599 --> 00:45:34.800
You'll still be there.

746
00:45:34.860 --> 00:45:35.880
Yeah, I'll still be there.

747
00:45:35.940 --> 00:45:36.179
Yeah.

748
00:45:36.239 --> 00:45:37.019
That's all right.

749
00:45:37.500 --> 00:45:39.360
Look at that shot.

750
00:45:39.360 --> 00:45:43.380
I'll find out who you've replaced me with. over the last 900 years.

751
00:45:43.619 --> 00:45:47.760
That's right All those Star Trek episodes.

752
00:45:47.820 --> 00:45:48.179
Okay.

753
00:45:48.239 --> 00:45:50.340
So here we go.

754
00:45:50.400 --> 00:45:53.099
And this scene, I think is pretty terrible.

755
00:45:53.579 --> 00:45:57.539
And like, I can see why they want to do it.

756
00:45:57.599 --> 00:46:02.460
I can see why they want to do it, but Jesus Christ, the dialogue is so terrible.

757
00:46:02.820 --> 00:46:09.179
I mean, she does have a lovely smile, but fuck me if she gazes off camera one more time.

758
00:46:09.239 --> 00:46:11.460
She is one hell of a beautiful woman.

759
00:46:11.519 --> 00:46:15.719
I think that I think that this guy.

760
00:46:15.780 --> 00:46:20.519
So it's Michael Frayne, isn't it, who plays his English, I think.

761
00:46:20.579 --> 00:46:32.280
Um, and he, James Frayne, James Frayne, and he plays Sarek, and I think he's really good, like, and he's, you know, in this quite a lot, and then you've got this woman as Amanda.

762
00:46:32.340 --> 00:46:37.079
And I was kind of wondering why is she their daughter?

763
00:46:37.260 --> 00:46:40.019
Like, why did they do that?

764
00:46:40.199 --> 00:46:45.659
Why did they make her Spocks?

765
00:46:45.719 --> 00:46:50.519
Because, automatically a link, a massive link to the original series?

766
00:46:50.579 --> 00:46:53.400
That's going to give all the Star Trek fans a massive hard on.

767
00:46:53.460 --> 00:47:06.179
But I think it's also saying that this show is going to be different, that we're coming from the same set of parents, but we're a person that you've never heard of before.

768
00:47:06.360 --> 00:47:13.019
And this is a black woman who you've never heard of before.

769
00:47:13.079 --> 00:47:18.239
So we're telling a hidden story, a hidden version of the Star Trek story.

770
00:47:18.300 --> 00:47:24.119
And I think that that's very definitely what the agenda is in series one and it's what people couldn't tolerate.

771
00:47:24.179 --> 00:47:26.760
Like they couldn't, yeah, this, Jesus Christ.

772
00:47:26.820 --> 00:47:29.400
It's pretty rough, isn't it?

773
00:47:30.000 --> 00:47:35.039
It is the earnestness of how they talk about the shitty sci-fi, you know.

774
00:47:35.099 --> 00:47:39.659
The AI, the information can't be allowed to stay here, mother.

775
00:47:39.840 --> 00:47:41.639
Oh, fuck off.

776
00:47:41.699 --> 00:47:42.599
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

777
00:47:42.659 --> 00:47:43.380
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

778
00:47:43.440 --> 00:47:44.400
No, it's crazy.

779
00:47:44.460 --> 00:47:45.900
This was strange new worlds.

780
00:47:45.960 --> 00:47:49.320
They'd be going, the mother would come along and go, hang on a minute.

781
00:47:49.380 --> 00:47:53.579
You're going 900 years into the future to get rid of just to ditch some data.

782
00:47:53.639 --> 00:47:55.679
Yeah, look.

783
00:47:55.739 --> 00:47:58.920
But again, I just think like I just want to watch Sanequa smile.

784
00:47:58.980 --> 00:47:59.699
I don't care.

785
00:47:59.760 --> 00:48:02.340
I can't hear how terrible this dialogue is over.

786
00:48:02.400 --> 00:48:03.719
Snake was beautiful.

787
00:48:03.780 --> 00:48:05.099
For my failures, Nathan.

788
00:48:05.159 --> 00:48:08.340
I humbly ask both of you for forgiveness.

789
00:48:08.400 --> 00:48:09.360
Yeah.

790
00:48:09.360 --> 00:48:13.440
I think this is Sarah when, you know, when he had dementia when he's got a bit crazy.

791
00:48:13.500 --> 00:48:16.980
I think that this is the worst scene in the episode.

792
00:48:17.039 --> 00:48:23.579
Um, and you can tell that they, they, they're aware they're shoehorning it in.

793
00:48:23.639 --> 00:48:29.099
Otherwise, we wouldn't have had that opening scene with Sarah and Amanda back on Vulcan.

794
00:48:29.159 --> 00:48:33.900
Um, you know, because no, remember, we should have known at this point. get through to them.

795
00:48:33.960 --> 00:48:36.239
No one from Starfleet knows where they are.

796
00:48:36.300 --> 00:48:37.739
No one can get through to them.

797
00:48:37.800 --> 00:48:40.500
Communications are down except for internship communications.

798
00:48:40.559 --> 00:48:41.760
They're completely isolated.

799
00:48:41.820 --> 00:48:45.300
They can't call for reinforcements, but Sarik can turn up.

800
00:48:45.360 --> 00:48:46.559
You missed the line.

801
00:48:46.619 --> 00:48:51.000
He said, we just happened to be passing and I noticed discovery there in front of me.

802
00:48:51.059 --> 00:48:53.579
I'll go and pop in and see a man.

803
00:48:53.639 --> 00:48:54.539
It did see Michael.

804
00:48:54.599 --> 00:48:57.000
No, no, he felt they felt it in their cartres.

805
00:48:57.059 --> 00:48:57.780
Do you know what I mean?

806
00:48:57.840 --> 00:48:59.639
It's just like, oh, come on.

807
00:48:59.699 --> 00:49:00.480
Come on.

808
00:49:00.599 --> 00:49:04.980
Every time I talk to you, I feel something in my cultures, you know?

809
00:49:05.039 --> 00:49:07.320
So that is kind of terrible.

810
00:49:07.380 --> 00:49:21.960
So this is her, that's her mother, Gabrielle, who, um, we will see next year. in an episode where it's basically not about their relationship at all and everyone's calm down now.

811
00:49:22.019 --> 00:49:23.039
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

812
00:49:23.099 --> 00:49:23.820
Well, yeah.

813
00:49:23.880 --> 00:49:24.539
Yeah.

814
00:49:24.599 --> 00:49:28.079
Although she is still gazing off camera longingly.

815
00:49:28.380 --> 00:49:31.619
She does it brilliantly, but she does do it.

816
00:49:31.679 --> 00:49:33.360
Well, they try they get her to do it all the time.

817
00:49:33.420 --> 00:49:41.280
You know, that's exactly why they try and get it all the time. you know, I mean, skip forward to series 3 episode one, you know, where she was on the drugs.

818
00:49:41.340 --> 00:49:45.480
She was much more fun then. you know, when she wasn't gay enough to screen.

819
00:49:45.539 --> 00:49:46.679
Just having fun.

820
00:49:46.739 --> 00:49:48.480
I like this.

821
00:49:48.539 --> 00:49:49.800
I really like this.

822
00:49:49.860 --> 00:49:51.900
You announce that you're leaving forever.

823
00:49:51.960 --> 00:50:00.539
I wasn't even here to sob and wail and throw myself at your feet, which again, you know, that's kind of making fun of the rest of what's going on.

824
00:50:00.599 --> 00:50:02.940
Uh, and it.

825
00:50:03.000 --> 00:50:05.219
And it ends quite quickly.

826
00:50:05.280 --> 00:50:06.239
Do you know what I mean?

827
00:50:06.300 --> 00:50:10.139
Like it, it's not prolonged, and it's very tilly.

828
00:50:10.139 --> 00:50:11.639
Oh, boy, here we go.

829
00:50:11.760 --> 00:50:14.699
The ultimate self-sacrifice team.

830
00:50:14.760 --> 00:50:17.099
We've decided we're all coming with you.

831
00:50:17.340 --> 00:50:20.219
Because we love you.

832
00:50:20.280 --> 00:50:22.739
No, I can't let you do this.

833
00:50:22.800 --> 00:50:25.019
We're not asking permission.

834
00:50:25.079 --> 00:50:26.579
This is impossible.

835
00:50:26.639 --> 00:50:27.420
You have lives.

836
00:50:27.780 --> 00:50:30.179
But it's ridiculous, isn't it?

837
00:50:30.239 --> 00:50:38.039
That's the problem that because they need to keep the show going. you know, like, and because they can't have it be an accident.

838
00:50:38.099 --> 00:50:39.300
It has to be deliberate.

839
00:50:39.360 --> 00:50:42.840
They have to choose it and they have to know there's no going back.

840
00:50:42.900 --> 00:50:46.739
Otherwise, the premise of the show becomes something that they don't want it to be.

841
00:50:46.800 --> 00:50:48.300
It becomes Voyager.

842
00:50:48.360 --> 00:50:50.400
Um, and they don't who wants that?

843
00:50:50.460 --> 00:50:51.300
No one wants that.

844
00:50:51.360 --> 00:50:52.440
And so...

845
00:50:52.440 --> 00:50:53.280
Well, we quite love it.

846
00:50:53.280 --> 00:50:55.199
Just spot goes, so, do you know what?

847
00:50:55.260 --> 00:50:57.480
I'm not coming because I've got a series to get to.

848
00:50:57.539 --> 00:50:59.159
But he doesn't if you'll forgive me.

849
00:50:59.219 --> 00:51:00.719
But that's what's really good.

850
00:51:00.780 --> 00:51:01.500
He doesn't.

851
00:51:01.559 --> 00:51:06.239
Everyone watching this nose that Spock doesn't go to the future with them already.

852
00:51:06.300 --> 00:51:07.139
Okay?

853
00:51:07.199 --> 00:51:13.440
But he's saying that he does here at this and he does for most of the episode well into the 2nd episode.

854
00:51:13.500 --> 00:51:15.480
He's still intending to go with them.

855
00:51:15.480 --> 00:51:18.179
Couldn't just one person.

856
00:51:18.239 --> 00:51:19.800
Just one.

857
00:51:19.860 --> 00:51:21.000
Even just an extra.

858
00:51:21.000 --> 00:51:22.500
Just go, you know what?

859
00:51:22.559 --> 00:51:23.699
Eaps of people just didn't come.

860
00:51:23.760 --> 00:51:24.480
Do you know what I mean?

861
00:51:24.539 --> 00:51:24.960
Not everyone.

862
00:51:25.019 --> 00:51:28.139
See, I mean, Lisa, this guy, what's his name?

863
00:51:28.199 --> 00:51:28.679
Vodka?

864
00:51:28.679 --> 00:51:29.099
Ash.

865
00:51:29.219 --> 00:51:30.179
Ash?

866
00:51:30.239 --> 00:51:30.900
Oh, whose fault?

867
00:51:30.960 --> 00:51:32.219
No, he was Vog.

868
00:51:32.280 --> 00:51:33.480
That was his Klingon.

869
00:51:33.539 --> 00:51:34.860
That was when he was a Klingon.

870
00:51:34.920 --> 00:51:35.519
He was fuck.

871
00:51:35.579 --> 00:51:37.139
He's a lot prettier. now, isn't he?

872
00:51:37.199 --> 00:51:38.099
He is a lot prettier.

873
00:51:38.159 --> 00:51:42.300
Of course, now he's off to section 31, basically sacrificing his life.

874
00:51:42.360 --> 00:51:44.340
No, no, he's not sacrificing his life.

875
00:51:44.400 --> 00:51:45.239
He got a nice job.

876
00:51:45.300 --> 00:51:45.960
He's staying here.

877
00:51:46.019 --> 00:51:48.900
He's, but these 2 were estranged.

878
00:51:49.019 --> 00:51:50.280
Do you know what I mean?

879
00:51:50.340 --> 00:51:53.460
sacrificing their relationship, though, or their potential relationship?

880
00:51:53.519 --> 00:51:55.260
Well, no, they're estranged.

881
00:51:55.320 --> 00:51:57.000
They're not in a relationship at the moment.

882
00:51:57.059 --> 00:52:00.480
Everything went wrong because he... they're behaving like they are.

883
00:52:00.599 --> 00:52:01.440
No, they're not.

884
00:52:01.500 --> 00:52:02.400
They're just walking off.

885
00:52:02.460 --> 00:52:05.219
But then... then we resolve it.

886
00:52:05.639 --> 00:52:07.320
Oh, yes.

887
00:52:07.380 --> 00:52:09.000
Kiss him, obviously.

888
00:52:09.059 --> 00:52:11.159
Obviously, look at him.

889
00:52:12.539 --> 00:52:16.739
Oh, Mortier, she's cried free 4 times now.

890
00:52:16.860 --> 00:52:18.480
I know, but look who she's leaving behind.

891
00:52:18.539 --> 00:52:20.219
And again, I think...

892
00:52:20.280 --> 00:52:21.360
That's great.

893
00:52:21.420 --> 00:52:22.559
I think that's great.

894
00:52:22.619 --> 00:52:24.539
And it...

895
00:52:24.539 --> 00:52:25.920
This scene is probably...

896
00:52:25.980 --> 00:52:28.920
I love a bit of a legs flair on this show, don't they?

897
00:52:28.980 --> 00:52:29.940
Yeah, yeah, yeah, they do.

898
00:52:30.000 --> 00:52:30.599
Star Trek.

899
00:52:30.659 --> 00:52:32.699
I tell you where there's more lens flair, though.

900
00:52:32.760 --> 00:52:34.199
Strange New Worlds.

901
00:52:34.559 --> 00:52:38.460
Strange world is all about the lens flare.

902
00:52:39.000 --> 00:52:42.719
Okay, so this is the scene that I quite like.

903
00:52:42.780 --> 00:52:44.639
So you've got Saru.

904
00:52:44.699 --> 00:52:46.079
He's talking to his sister.

905
00:52:46.139 --> 00:52:51.900
This message does get out and gets to her and she actually turns up in the 2nd episode.

906
00:52:51.960 --> 00:52:54.659
And so all he's doing is just leaving a message.

907
00:52:54.719 --> 00:52:55.980
He doesn't think she's going to get it.

908
00:52:56.039 --> 00:52:59.039
He doesn't actually tell her that he's going to the future.

909
00:52:59.099 --> 00:53:01.139
He's saying we're in a battle we're about to die.

910
00:53:01.199 --> 00:53:04.920
Now we get her talking to her parents.

911
00:53:04.980 --> 00:53:10.139
But and this is a little bit overwrought, but like it's her.

912
00:53:10.199 --> 00:53:12.179
It's Mary Wiseman and she's fantastic.

913
00:53:12.239 --> 00:53:16.079
But then we get this thing where we just move over and it's like, oh, oh, is in the same room.

914
00:53:16.139 --> 00:53:18.000
We don't get a cut to Oo.

915
00:53:18.059 --> 00:53:21.900
We just, the camera just pans slowly across to OO, and there's OO.

916
00:53:21.960 --> 00:53:25.139
We know nothing about OO and we will never know anything about her.

917
00:53:25.199 --> 00:53:27.059
We don't find out anything.

918
00:53:27.119 --> 00:53:31.139
She's absolutely a tertiary character. 3 series.

919
00:53:31.199 --> 00:53:33.000
No, we don't, is Demma the same thing?

920
00:53:33.179 --> 00:53:35.280
What a thankless role.

921
00:53:35.340 --> 00:53:41.940
But no, I mean, they're essentially scenery with small parts, but one of the things that that structure does.

922
00:53:42.000 --> 00:53:43.139
Yeah.

923
00:53:43.139 --> 00:53:43.800
Did you hear that?

924
00:53:43.860 --> 00:53:45.900
Every test I failed.

925
00:53:45.960 --> 00:53:51.000
She's getting her backstory in there. 28 times and you encouraged me to keep going.

926
00:53:51.119 --> 00:54:01.800
But then and then now we have Paul talking to someone, you know, and all of that is just like, just little things about them leaving messages for someone.

927
00:54:01.860 --> 00:54:12.900
They're all quite short, they're all about 30 seconds, and we get a montage of them to give the impression that people are leaving willingly, and that they're just saying they're good byers to their family.

928
00:54:12.960 --> 00:54:17.280
And they're getting biased that we don't know about them. hearing.

929
00:54:17.340 --> 00:54:18.119
I like it.

930
00:54:18.179 --> 00:54:18.840
I think it's good.

931
00:54:18.900 --> 00:54:23.400
You know, if you've got no, you've got to sell this stupid decision.

932
00:54:23.460 --> 00:54:25.019
Like, I don't think you can buy it.

933
00:54:25.079 --> 00:54:37.860
It doesn't make any sense, but I think they're giving it a good college try to try and sell. themselves into a corner where none of the characters make any sense anymore because of what they want to do with the plot.

934
00:54:37.860 --> 00:54:38.760
Yeah, with the series.

935
00:54:38.880 --> 00:54:45.599
Because we want to keep this collection of characters together when we go into the future and this is how we've decided to do it.

936
00:54:45.659 --> 00:54:52.619
We've decided to have them heroically go into the future to save the present and that's how they leave us.

937
00:54:52.679 --> 00:54:53.639
Do you know what I mean?

938
00:54:53.699 --> 00:54:54.900
And then we never see them again.

939
00:54:54.960 --> 00:54:56.519
And then we want to follow them.

940
00:54:56.579 --> 00:54:57.059
Yeah.

941
00:54:57.119 --> 00:55:03.840
Do you sum up your relationships with these people in 30 seconds, you know, in these letters?

942
00:55:04.260 --> 00:55:07.019
Yeah, I do understand what you're saying.

943
00:55:07.019 --> 00:55:11.639
Again, though, because it was a bit overwrought and the dialogue was pushing a bit.

944
00:55:11.699 --> 00:55:12.539
Yeah, yeah.

945
00:55:12.539 --> 00:55:15.539
I was like, you're really...

946
00:55:15.539 --> 00:55:16.980
You never know who Tezzy is.

947
00:55:17.039 --> 00:55:18.960
We don't know who Paul is talking to.

948
00:55:19.019 --> 00:55:21.780
We don't know anything about his relationship with his family.

949
00:55:21.840 --> 00:55:27.360
We'll never find out because we'll never meet them. half enough time, you know, to explore these people.

950
00:55:27.420 --> 00:55:28.619
No, I don't want that.

951
00:55:28.679 --> 00:55:29.880
I want them to do space shit.

952
00:55:29.940 --> 00:55:31.139
I don't want to beat.

953
00:55:31.199 --> 00:55:33.480
Like, I don't want next generation series.

954
00:55:33.599 --> 00:55:35.280
You better look at your watch then.

955
00:55:35.340 --> 00:55:38.400
You've got about 15 minutes before they're gonna do any spaceship.

956
00:55:38.460 --> 00:55:41.940
I don't think I do because we're 7 minutes from the end of the episode.

957
00:55:42.719 --> 00:55:44.099
Yeah.

958
00:55:44.159 --> 00:55:45.119
Oh, hooray.

959
00:55:45.179 --> 00:55:46.079
Okay.

960
00:55:46.139 --> 00:55:50.280
So this is Anson Mount saying goodbye, which is exactly what we would expect him to do.

961
00:55:50.340 --> 00:56:03.000
He doesn't say goodbye quite the same way that Jason Isaac did because of course he fell into a giant power station and exploded. which was pretty awesome.

962
00:56:03.239 --> 00:56:05.159
I mean, I loved him.

963
00:56:05.219 --> 00:56:08.159
I would have rather stuck around, but he is awesome.

964
00:56:09.179 --> 00:56:16.440
So this one's the security woman who will be there for a little while in series 3 before she actually leaves.

965
00:56:16.500 --> 00:56:23.340
And then there's this weird moment where we kind of don't know like he's not leaving anyone in charge.

966
00:56:23.519 --> 00:56:25.679
If you cry, Em.

967
00:56:25.980 --> 00:56:28.139
Hold it together, Michael.

968
00:56:28.199 --> 00:56:29.219
Sure, just well up.

969
00:56:29.280 --> 00:56:30.119
Yeah.

970
00:56:30.119 --> 00:56:34.019
No, she cries so prettily and that's part of the problem, isn't it?

971
00:56:34.079 --> 00:56:38.579
Like, it's the 1st time that we've had anyone who could really do that as a leader.

972
00:56:38.579 --> 00:56:41.880
The issue we have with, so...

973
00:56:41.940 --> 00:56:42.420
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

974
00:56:42.420 --> 00:56:43.500
Just crying every Friday.

975
00:56:43.559 --> 00:56:44.699
I like that too though.

976
00:56:45.539 --> 00:56:48.539
Whereas you know me, I'm a hard bitch.

977
00:56:48.599 --> 00:56:50.460
I absolutely fell for this.

978
00:56:50.519 --> 00:56:53.159
I was super moist watching this all the way through the other day.

979
00:56:53.219 --> 00:56:55.559
I think I started when you...

980
00:56:55.619 --> 00:56:58.920
I think I started when Hugh and Paul were talking and then that was it.

981
00:56:58.980 --> 00:56:59.760
I was kind of gone.

982
00:56:59.820 --> 00:57:03.780
I was completely sold by it.

983
00:57:03.840 --> 00:57:10.679
So we kind of put Saru in charge, but it's not clear who the captain's going to be.

984
00:57:10.739 --> 00:57:13.019
It's deliberately left open.

985
00:57:13.079 --> 00:57:17.099
We never find out who the captain will be. wonderful when he's in charge.

986
00:57:17.159 --> 00:57:18.360
Oh, Saru is a brilliant captain.

987
00:57:18.420 --> 00:57:21.300
He should have really good. stayed the captain as far as I'm concerned.

988
00:57:21.360 --> 00:57:30.599
But I think eventually you've got the thing where you've got a main character and eventually we want the main character to be the captain, you know, like, and...

989
00:57:30.659 --> 00:57:31.739
They kept that quiet.

990
00:57:31.800 --> 00:57:33.179
No, she is.

991
00:57:33.239 --> 00:57:34.440
Of course she's the main character.

992
00:57:34.500 --> 00:57:37.260
And that's one of the differences.

993
00:57:37.260 --> 00:57:43.559
But it is one of the differences between this show and the other one is this show has a main character and the way that the other ones don't.

994
00:57:43.559 --> 00:57:46.380
This show was always going to be about Michael.

995
00:57:46.440 --> 00:57:51.539
And then what ended up happening is that it went off in a completely different direction from what they expected.

996
00:57:51.599 --> 00:57:53.219
But that's a different thing.

997
00:57:53.280 --> 00:57:59.340
And I remember all of the news stories reporting that in fact, the main character was going to be the 2nd in command of the ship.

998
00:57:59.400 --> 00:58:06.960
It wasn't going to be the captain at all, and then we found out, in fact, it wasn't even going to be 2nd in command of the ship after, you know, episode one.

999
00:58:07.019 --> 00:58:13.139
So, you know. bloody good job, you know, control waited 15 minutes or so.

1000
00:58:13.199 --> 00:58:18.179
So everyone could stand around and say all their goodbyes and roll.

1001
00:58:18.300 --> 00:58:19.079
There was a countdown.

1002
00:58:19.139 --> 00:58:20.280
They knew it was about to arrive.

1003
00:58:20.400 --> 00:58:26.460
So they stay, you know, control will be here in 10 minutes and then Anson Mount gets to say goodbye to everyone.

1004
00:58:26.519 --> 00:58:31.800
I just remember messaging you, watching this episode, going, well, mate, just get on with it, for God's sake.

1005
00:58:31.860 --> 00:58:33.840
Well, they just fucking turn up.

1006
00:58:33.900 --> 00:58:34.860
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1007
00:58:34.920 --> 00:58:41.340
But they had to wait for Enterprise to arrive as well because, remember, Discovery came by Spore Drive and Enterprise came the long way around.

1008
00:58:41.400 --> 00:58:45.119
This everyone will see visions of the future and their heads will explode, I know.

1009
00:58:45.239 --> 00:58:48.719
And that's the theme, of course, of Star Trek Picard series one.

1010
00:58:48.780 --> 00:58:56.159
Um, which also has visions of an AI destroying everyone, uh, which sends various Romulans, man.

1011
00:58:56.219 --> 00:58:57.239
This camera.

1012
00:58:57.300 --> 00:58:59.280
Will it stop spinning around like this?

1013
00:58:59.940 --> 00:59:01.800
This scene is so boring.

1014
00:59:01.860 --> 00:59:05.940
Like this scene is absolute...

1015
00:59:06.000 --> 00:59:08.639
I feel like I'm on a fairground ride, for God's sake.

1016
00:59:08.699 --> 00:59:09.539
That's great.

1017
00:59:09.599 --> 00:59:12.119
That's much more interesting Will you keep it still?

1018
00:59:12.179 --> 00:59:14.519
No, because that seems quite boring, otherwise.

1019
00:59:14.639 --> 00:59:16.559
Oh my god, he's going around again.

1020
00:59:17.039 --> 00:59:19.440
Yeah, that sucks.

1021
00:59:19.440 --> 00:59:20.820
I'm getting those to go.

1022
00:59:21.300 --> 00:59:23.820
You said that it was all like this.

1023
00:59:23.880 --> 00:59:26.460
This is the 1st one like this.

1024
00:59:26.519 --> 00:59:28.800
This is the 1st one like this.

1025
00:59:29.400 --> 00:59:31.440
Oh my god.

1026
00:59:31.500 --> 00:59:33.059
I still don't...

1027
00:59:33.119 --> 00:59:34.440
I mean, this was a great, I did love that.

1028
00:59:34.500 --> 00:59:36.420
I still hate you.

1029
00:59:36.480 --> 00:59:38.219
Yeah, the thing is mutual.

1030
00:59:38.340 --> 00:59:41.460
I mean, they did smooth out stammets quite a lot.

1031
00:59:41.519 --> 00:59:43.980
Yeah, he was really horrible in series one.

1032
00:59:44.099 --> 00:59:44.940
I loved him.

1033
00:59:45.000 --> 00:59:46.139
He was great.

1034
00:59:46.139 --> 00:59:46.920
He was great.

1035
00:59:46.980 --> 00:59:48.300
Yeah.

1036
00:59:48.360 --> 00:59:51.599
And so now we get to see the full thing, don't we?

1037
00:59:51.659 --> 00:59:52.440
No, we don't.

1038
00:59:52.500 --> 00:59:53.400
No, we don't.

1039
00:59:53.460 --> 00:59:54.119
We saw it already.

1040
00:59:54.179 --> 00:59:55.440
So we saw it already.

1041
00:59:55.500 --> 00:59:56.880
And then she...

1042
00:59:56.880 --> 00:59:57.780
We've only got 3 minutes.

1043
00:59:57.840 --> 00:59:59.519
There's no more time for emotion.

1044
00:59:59.579 --> 01:00:00.420
Bring on the ships.

1045
01:00:00.539 --> 01:00:03.900
Yeah, I can't even remember what the end is, actually.

1046
01:00:03.960 --> 01:00:04.679
Here we go.

1047
01:00:04.739 --> 01:00:08.760
Well, I think you saw this, not all of them, because there's more work coming the 2nd episode.

1048
01:00:08.820 --> 01:00:09.840
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1049
01:00:09.900 --> 01:00:12.480
But it's enough to get, you know, get him a sweat going.

1050
01:00:12.539 --> 01:00:15.300
Oh yeah, look, we get a countdown on the screen.

1051
01:00:15.360 --> 01:00:19.019
That's the other thing about having the Enterprise have a big window.

1052
01:00:19.079 --> 01:00:34.019
Like, we forget that that's one of the, uh, that's one of the things invented by this version of Star Trek is that the bridge has a big window at the front rather than a big telly and it's a big improvement, I think.

1053
01:00:34.079 --> 01:00:38.699
Do you remember in 1st contact when the screen is off and it's just a wall?

1054
01:00:38.760 --> 01:00:39.840
It's just a bulkhead.

1055
01:00:39.900 --> 01:00:41.699
They're all sitting facing a fucking bulkhead.

1056
01:00:42.480 --> 01:00:45.539
At least the camera was a bit more stately.

1057
01:00:45.599 --> 01:00:48.780
Well, much more stately.

1058
01:00:48.840 --> 01:00:52.139
Having a bit of a problem during podcasting lately, you know?

1059
01:00:52.199 --> 01:00:55.199
Because I'm finding women more and more attractive.

1060
01:00:55.260 --> 01:00:58.320
Michelle, yeah, Michelle, yeah, yeah.

1061
01:00:58.380 --> 01:00:59.579
She is.

1062
01:00:59.639 --> 01:01:00.659
But that was the same.

1063
01:01:00.659 --> 01:01:05.219
She's watching her ponytail swinging in her black gear and she goes, oh, she looked great.

1064
01:01:05.280 --> 01:01:06.780
Yeah, it doesn't look amazing.

1065
01:01:06.840 --> 01:01:11.820
There are so many ships and it just never lets up for the whole next hour, does it?

1066
01:01:11.880 --> 01:01:15.599
I ask you what that red person is on the bridge with the spiky face.

1067
01:01:15.659 --> 01:01:17.340
I don't know, that's not a good look, is it?

1068
01:01:17.460 --> 01:01:18.599
But there you go.

1069
01:01:19.619 --> 01:01:21.300
There we go now.

1070
01:01:21.360 --> 01:01:25.619
At least they're staring longingly at a load of ship stars.

1071
01:01:25.679 --> 01:01:26.820
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1072
01:01:26.820 --> 01:01:28.559
But the window looks great, doesn't it?

1073
01:01:28.619 --> 01:01:29.940
Look at that enterprise.

1074
01:01:29.940 --> 01:01:35.039
I was getting, you know, the end of Favour of the Bold when all the ships appear. getting that.

1075
01:01:35.099 --> 01:01:38.940
And of course, there is a very sacrifice of angels moment in part two.

1076
01:01:39.059 --> 01:01:40.559
Yeah, but we'll get there.

1077
01:01:40.619 --> 01:01:41.219
Yeah.

1078
01:01:41.219 --> 01:01:41.940
Yeah.

1079
01:01:42.179 --> 01:01:43.559
Okay.

1080
01:01:43.619 --> 01:01:44.340
Oh, good.

1081
01:01:44.400 --> 01:01:44.760
Finally.

1082
01:01:44.880 --> 01:01:45.360
So action.

1083
01:01:45.420 --> 01:01:46.079
Let's go.

1084
01:01:46.139 --> 01:01:48.300
Oh, wait. episode's ending.

1085
01:01:48.360 --> 01:01:51.599
No, no, no, we're just getting Lucas at everyone.

1086
01:01:51.659 --> 01:01:55.440
We have to see everyone's face before the episode ends, then Michael, obviously, and then we go.

1087
01:01:55.500 --> 01:01:56.639
So there you go.

1088
01:01:56.699 --> 01:02:00.300
That was about 7 minutes of people emoting to each other.

1089
01:02:00.360 --> 01:02:02.280
You're in...

1090
01:02:02.340 --> 01:02:05.400
That was about 20 minutes off.

1091
01:02:05.460 --> 01:02:06.480
Absolutely was not.

1092
01:02:06.539 --> 01:02:07.380
Jesus Christ.

1093
01:02:07.440 --> 01:02:08.460
What?

1094
01:02:08.460 --> 01:02:09.840
stopped at the halfway point.

1095
01:02:09.840 --> 01:02:12.059
The one scene where the camera was moving around.

1096
01:02:12.119 --> 01:02:21.119
We were 30 minutes in and the only scene where people were talking about their feelings was Culber and Stammets, and that was a good scene that wasn't about that.

1097
01:02:21.179 --> 01:02:22.800
No, I think.

1098
01:02:22.860 --> 01:02:27.599
People talking about their feelings when they were doing their letters, people talking about their feelings.

1099
01:02:27.599 --> 01:02:30.539
Michael and her mum and dad.

1100
01:02:30.599 --> 01:02:34.320
Michael and her mum and dad admittedly was a truly terrible scene.

1101
01:02:34.380 --> 01:02:35.579
That is true.

1102
01:02:35.639 --> 01:02:40.980
But this was much less bad than I remembered it being and then I feared it was.

1103
01:02:41.159 --> 01:02:45.780
They sort of, about a 3rd in, have their plan ready to go.

1104
01:02:45.780 --> 01:02:49.920
And then at the end of the episode, they start moving.

1105
01:02:49.980 --> 01:03:01.800
Yeah, but in between those 2 points, nothing, there's a lot of stuff happening emotionally and there's also Dubai and setting up, but plot wise, nothing is happening at all.

1106
01:03:01.920 --> 01:03:05.099
That's okay, because I think there's more to things than plot.

1107
01:03:05.159 --> 01:03:10.920
And in an episode like this, which is about getting us from A to B, because we've decided that we have to do this.

1108
01:03:10.980 --> 01:03:13.260
And because it's our 2nd last episode.

1109
01:03:13.320 --> 01:03:21.960
So we're putting all the pieces into place and then we have everyone arrive for the finale at the end of episode one and that's pretty standard.

1110
01:03:22.019 --> 01:03:23.940
Like, I don't think that's a huge failure.

1111
01:03:24.000 --> 01:03:25.619
That's the sort of thing that happens all the time.

1112
01:03:25.679 --> 01:03:37.679
I think the other issue as well, is a series of issues I clearly have of all of this, is that I think arc plots, arc place season plots now that we do.

1113
01:03:37.739 --> 01:03:52.860
Yeah. can be a bit of a problem because if you're not invested, if you're, well, that, there is that because I was constantly playing catch up in this, even though there was hints of bobs and flashbacks and all sorts going on, I was like, where the fuck am I?

1114
01:03:52.920 --> 01:03:57.420
You know, like, um, no, the other problem is, is I don't like this plot this year.

1115
01:03:57.480 --> 01:03:59.519
I don't think it's particularly interesting.

1116
01:03:59.579 --> 01:04:07.019
I don't care about evil AIs and time crystals and suits are popping and out of the future and mothers and all this bullshit that's happening.

1117
01:04:07.079 --> 01:04:09.900
And so that's kind of a year of trek.

1118
01:04:09.960 --> 01:04:11.579
I'm not invested in.

1119
01:04:11.639 --> 01:04:16.980
And I know that's that's a risk you take. like by having a season-long arc.

1120
01:04:17.039 --> 01:04:20.519
But this one does have individual episodes that do things.

1121
01:04:20.579 --> 01:04:30.300
And part of the problem, I think, on untitled Star Trek project is that we checked in on the dullest episode of series one and then the dullest episode of series two.

1122
01:04:30.360 --> 01:04:31.380
In memory serves.

1123
01:04:31.500 --> 01:04:33.360
Yeah, if memory serves it was.

1124
01:04:33.420 --> 01:04:33.840
Yeah.

1125
01:04:34.260 --> 01:04:36.360
Yeah, it was dull.

1126
01:04:36.420 --> 01:04:40.739
And it wasn't about anything sort of particularly interesting, but there are individual episodes.

1127
01:04:40.739 --> 01:04:52.800
And, you know, we will revisit some of them in the next episode because of course, Michael has to go back in time to an earlier part of the season to make all of the things happen.

1128
01:04:53.099 --> 01:04:59.820
Like, I guess this is thin in that the plot is explicitly about plot mechanics.

1129
01:04:59.880 --> 01:05:09.900
So it's about a message telling them to come to the future, which is sent to them in episode 14, which they keep receiving throughout the season.

1130
01:05:09.960 --> 01:05:19.440
And the big mystery of the season is what are these red things, and it turns out they're all things saying, make sure you go to the future in episode 14.

1131
01:05:19.739 --> 01:05:23.820
And so the whole thing, the whole season is about that.

1132
01:05:23.880 --> 01:05:27.300
And whereas season one is about the Klingon war.

1133
01:05:27.360 --> 01:05:30.420
Season 3 is about the burn and arriving in the future.

1134
01:05:30.480 --> 01:05:40.800
Season 4 is about the 10 C, and season 5 is a fun sort of escapade about finding the thing that that lady from the chase left behind.

1135
01:05:40.860 --> 01:05:45.719
So they all have sort of strong kind of science fiction, fun science fiction ideas.

1136
01:05:45.780 --> 01:05:48.659
This is on the other seasons.

1137
01:05:48.659 --> 01:05:49.679
Oh, Besser, aren't they?

1138
01:05:49.739 --> 01:05:50.099
I think.

1139
01:05:50.159 --> 01:05:52.619
The hook for one, the Klingon war, that's interesting.

1140
01:05:52.739 --> 01:05:54.900
I'm just setting up the show is interesting.

1141
01:05:54.960 --> 01:05:55.739
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1142
01:05:55.800 --> 01:05:57.059
Three, the burn.

1143
01:05:57.119 --> 01:06:01.139
I hated the ending of that, that girl screaming or whatever that was.

1144
01:06:01.199 --> 01:06:03.420
It was a little, what's his face?

1145
01:06:03.480 --> 01:06:04.260
can't even remember.

1146
01:06:04.320 --> 01:06:05.460
Terrible.

1147
01:06:05.519 --> 01:06:07.739
But it's a big exciting idea, right?

1148
01:06:07.800 --> 01:06:13.380
All of those ships blew up and left the Federation decimated and just scraps.

1149
01:06:13.440 --> 01:06:14.280
Interesting.

1150
01:06:14.519 --> 01:06:17.099
And then 3 planets are being destroyed.

1151
01:06:17.159 --> 01:06:19.199
I mean, come on, it's it's epic.

1152
01:06:19.260 --> 01:06:28.500
There's a big, sorry, four. a big scary thing that we can't understand. coming for us really. really interesting 5 I've not done.

1153
01:06:28.559 --> 01:06:35.340
In comparison, this is, I suppose the hook is less the Red Angel, which is just dull.

1154
01:06:35.400 --> 01:06:42.960
It's more bringing in the original series of Enterprise and all of that, which is pretty good and he's pretty successful. yeah.

1155
01:06:43.019 --> 01:06:46.380
It's successful enough to spawn off a spinoff show.

1156
01:06:46.440 --> 01:07:04.559
I have to say that I do think that a Red Angel is something that we've never seen in Star Trek before and that it does give you some pretty incredible imagery and I think that that's not negligible, but because essentially this is all about setting up the move to the future, right, starting from episode one, it's a problem.

1157
01:07:04.619 --> 01:07:09.000
It's a season that's really only about oops, we got it wrong.

1158
01:07:09.059 --> 01:07:12.119
Let's retool the show for 14 episodes.

1159
01:07:12.179 --> 01:07:17.579
But I'd also say that I think Discovery always gives you incredible imagery.

1160
01:07:17.639 --> 01:07:24.420
So what's really important is less the production, because it's always good is it's the words.

1161
01:07:24.480 --> 01:07:28.500
And I don't know if the words are here in this season.

1162
01:07:28.559 --> 01:07:36.059
I don't I don't think they pull together a year that holds up down the line.

1163
01:07:36.119 --> 01:07:48.300
Watching this this time did make me want to watch the series 2 again, because like I said, a lot of it I've only watched once and I would like to see how it fits together in retrospect.

1164
01:07:48.360 --> 01:07:49.679
I certainly remember at the time.

1165
01:07:49.739 --> 01:07:54.840
I remember wondering where we were, you know, whether we were going to see Spock, all of that sort of thing.

1166
01:07:54.900 --> 01:08:01.199
I'm interested to see how it fits together because you've got the sphere, you've got Terelesium, the people on Terelesium.

1167
01:08:01.260 --> 01:08:09.659
You've got all of these things happening that you can't see fitting together, you're wondering where, where Spock is and what's happened with him.

1168
01:08:09.719 --> 01:08:17.340
All of that stuff, I think, was a pretty solid hawk, and then you have like meeting Rebecca Romain's character for the 1st time.

1169
01:08:17.399 --> 01:08:19.800
All of that stuff was pretty good.

1170
01:08:19.859 --> 01:08:26.819
So I'm keen to see what it's like, but it is my least favourite season of discovery, and I'm pretty sure I know why now.

1171
01:08:27.300 --> 01:08:31.859
It's so interesting that one has gone up so much in my estimation.

1172
01:08:31.920 --> 01:08:32.760
It's really...

1173
01:08:32.760 --> 01:08:36.539
Now I've explored the latest stuff. yeah I look forward to looking at that more.

1174
01:08:36.600 --> 01:08:39.539
I mean, I suppose I'll out the 1st half of this.

1175
01:08:39.600 --> 01:08:49.619
The 1st episode by saying, uh, let's remember as well that I am English and we are all a bit awkward with emotion and being honest about how we feel.

1176
01:08:49.680 --> 01:08:53.220
And so maybe the problem is me and not the episode.

1177
01:08:53.279 --> 01:08:55.199
Very American, isn't it?

1178
01:08:56.100 --> 01:08:57.479
Alright.

1179
01:08:57.539 --> 01:08:59.640
I love you, Nathan.

1180
01:09:02.159 --> 01:09:06.119
I'm just going to stare off camera crying, okay?

1181
01:09:06.180 --> 01:09:10.020
literally what I did for 50 minutes watching this the other day.

1182
01:09:13.859 --> 01:09:17.460
All right, so I will count us in.

1183
01:09:18.420 --> 01:09:24.180
Five, four, three, two, one, and we're off.

1184
01:09:24.720 --> 01:09:26.819
Bring on the action.

1185
01:09:26.880 --> 01:09:32.520
We have our previously, but all of this stuff seems to be from last week.

1186
01:09:35.579 --> 01:09:37.979
So I think we've just seen all of this.

1187
01:09:38.039 --> 01:09:38.819
We know all of this.

1188
01:09:38.880 --> 01:09:39.720
What's kind of good.

1189
01:09:39.779 --> 01:09:41.340
It's all action at least.

1190
01:09:41.399 --> 01:09:43.319
There's a bit less gloopy stuff, isn't there?

1191
01:09:43.380 --> 01:09:45.479
We're just kind of...

1192
01:09:45.539 --> 01:09:46.380
Just watch this.

1193
01:09:46.439 --> 01:09:48.479
Yeah, just watch this episode.

1194
01:09:48.539 --> 01:09:49.619
It's all the plot points.

1195
01:09:49.680 --> 01:09:50.399
Yep, yep.

1196
01:09:50.460 --> 01:09:53.520
Discovery has to go to the future.

1197
01:09:54.659 --> 01:09:56.399
That shot.

1198
01:09:56.460 --> 01:10:03.060
I don't remember that shot, but we do get the, so it turns out that the Section 31 built the angel thing.

1199
01:10:03.119 --> 01:10:04.380
Oh, there you go.

1200
01:10:04.439 --> 01:10:08.939
Look, we're having Hugh and Paul talking about their relationship briefly.

1201
01:10:09.000 --> 01:10:11.699
Hero show at the Enterprise.

1202
01:10:11.760 --> 01:10:12.060
Yeah.

1203
01:10:12.060 --> 01:10:14.039
It's all unique, really.

1204
01:10:14.100 --> 01:10:15.779
Just watch the last episode.

1205
01:10:15.840 --> 01:10:18.960
Although you miss all of that stuff with Poe, who was pretty cute.

1206
01:10:19.079 --> 01:10:21.239
You're a lovely short going through the transporter beam.

1207
01:10:21.300 --> 01:10:22.680
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1208
01:10:22.739 --> 01:10:24.600
Having fun, bringing in the farm.

1209
01:10:24.600 --> 01:10:25.619
Queen of Syria.

1210
01:10:25.680 --> 01:10:26.760
Oh, my God.

1211
01:10:26.819 --> 01:10:27.539
Oh, the best.

1212
01:10:27.600 --> 01:10:29.399
All we need is a line from Shawshow now.

1213
01:10:29.399 --> 01:10:30.600
It is perfect.

1214
01:10:30.659 --> 01:10:32.579
No, she's just there with her arms crossed.

1215
01:10:34.979 --> 01:10:41.760
So can I ask you why you were so cross about, you know, you said you were scared that they were going to pop into the future.

1216
01:10:41.760 --> 01:11:04.380
Well, precisely that reason, I really liked the idea that we were recreating original track, but for a new century, and that we were, butting up against the kind of continuity that we'd had before, that there was sort of friction created between the continuity of this.

1217
01:11:04.439 --> 01:11:06.659
And I thought that series one was really great.

1218
01:11:06.720 --> 01:11:16.739
I thought it was really good and I just thought this is, they're doing this because people got crossed that they might have to rewrite some Wikipedia pages.

1219
01:11:16.800 --> 01:11:18.840
Was that the general reaction then?

1220
01:11:18.899 --> 01:11:20.279
The people were crossed.

1221
01:11:20.399 --> 01:11:20.939
I think so, yeah.

1222
01:11:21.000 --> 01:11:22.439
Technology seemed to exist.

1223
01:11:22.500 --> 01:11:25.199
Yeah, all of that stupid stuff.

1224
01:11:25.260 --> 01:11:27.840
No, no, no, I get that, but what's that the reaction?

1225
01:11:27.899 --> 01:11:29.699
Yeah, that's why they made the call.

1226
01:11:29.819 --> 01:11:34.319
And remember that even now, I don't think that you have those holograms.

1227
01:11:34.380 --> 01:11:40.859
You know, there's dialogue here about how the Enterprise won't have holograms on it anymore.

1228
01:11:40.920 --> 01:11:48.659
You know how that was one of the features where people would just turn up on the bridge and they'd be holograms and people would go, well, we didn't have that in original Star Trek.

1229
01:11:48.720 --> 01:11:49.619
How can that be possible?

1230
01:11:49.680 --> 01:11:52.380
And you just kind of think, come on, don't be so silly.

1231
01:11:52.439 --> 01:11:53.760
You don't need an...

1232
01:11:53.760 --> 01:11:55.859
Let's just make this explanation.

1233
01:11:55.920 --> 01:11:56.760
Yeah that's right.

1234
01:11:56.819 --> 01:11:58.020
To copy...

1235
01:11:58.079 --> 01:11:58.920
Yeah, exactly right.

1236
01:11:58.979 --> 01:12:01.140
It was just absurd.

1237
01:12:01.199 --> 01:12:04.199
Oh my god, look at all their spaceship shooting about.

1238
01:12:04.260 --> 01:12:08.340
We're literally the POV of one of these spaceships sort of flying information.

1239
01:12:08.399 --> 01:12:10.260
It really good, isn't it?

1240
01:12:10.319 --> 01:12:16.500
And, you know, like, um, this is something that we've never been able to do in Star Trek before, but obviously we can.

1241
01:12:16.500 --> 01:12:18.420
And it's really great.

1242
01:12:18.420 --> 01:12:21.600
And that's kind of what Star Trek is...

1243
01:12:21.600 --> 01:12:29.100
I mean, the money on the screen here. between those exterior special effects and the interior sets.

1244
01:12:29.159 --> 01:12:31.079
It's astonishing.

1245
01:12:31.140 --> 01:12:32.460
It really great, isn't it?

1246
01:12:32.520 --> 01:12:37.140
Now, I don't mind the camera being quite...

1247
01:12:37.140 --> 01:12:39.899
Now we're in a big action sequence that we're following.

1248
01:12:39.960 --> 01:12:40.500
Absolutely.

1249
01:12:40.560 --> 01:12:41.880
It makes everything seem like...

1250
01:12:41.880 --> 01:12:46.979
And they're doing that wonderful thing that Discovery does really well of suggesting the chaos and the panic.

1251
01:12:46.979 --> 01:12:47.760
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1252
01:12:47.760 --> 01:12:51.119
As lots of people walk through the room doing their various people.

1253
01:12:51.180 --> 01:12:52.380
Do you know what I mean?

1254
01:12:52.439 --> 01:12:56.520
Like people come in, they say they're lines, the camera follows them, but we're not cutting between those scenes.

1255
01:12:56.579 --> 01:12:57.600
We're just following them.

1256
01:12:57.659 --> 01:13:00.239
And also the 3D interthing is pretty great.

1257
01:13:00.300 --> 01:13:04.140
Yeah, but I was getting massive lawmower man vibes.

1258
01:13:04.140 --> 01:13:06.479
Yeah, the space suit with the lasers on.

1259
01:13:06.539 --> 01:13:09.899
Yeah, no, but that's 3D printing. printing looks like.

1260
01:13:09.960 --> 01:13:11.520
That's how the 3D printer.

1261
01:13:11.640 --> 01:13:15.239
Remember, they have the thing on Protestar that 3D prints the shuttles.

1262
01:13:15.300 --> 01:13:15.840
This is great.

1263
01:13:15.960 --> 01:13:18.600
Split screen, you get...

1264
01:13:18.659 --> 01:13:20.220
Number one and debt.

1265
01:13:20.220 --> 01:13:21.119
Yeah, split screw.

1266
01:13:21.180 --> 01:13:22.020
Yeah, it's really good.

1267
01:13:22.020 --> 01:13:23.039
That's wonderful.

1268
01:13:23.100 --> 01:13:25.319
Well, see, I'm enjoying myself more already.

1269
01:13:25.380 --> 01:13:26.279
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1270
01:13:26.279 --> 01:13:28.380
Now all that mush is over and done with.

1271
01:13:28.439 --> 01:13:30.779
Reno's doing the time crystal.

1272
01:13:31.140 --> 01:13:33.119
Can you cut that in half?

1273
01:13:33.180 --> 01:13:34.500
violate the laws of physics?

1274
01:13:34.560 --> 01:13:34.739
No.

1275
01:13:34.800 --> 01:13:35.699
Oh, finally.

1276
01:13:35.760 --> 01:13:38.579
That pretty Asian man got a close-up.

1277
01:13:39.180 --> 01:13:40.979
Yeah, so pretty, isn't he?

1278
01:13:41.100 --> 01:13:42.899
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1279
01:13:43.020 --> 01:13:48.180
Oh, cut cut to your show looking very unimpressed, but also thinking he's quite hot as well.

1280
01:13:48.239 --> 01:13:48.960
And what about this?

1281
01:13:48.960 --> 01:13:49.800
She does a lot with a look.

1282
01:13:49.859 --> 01:13:52.739
Communications guy Bryce behind his panel as well.

1283
01:13:52.800 --> 01:13:53.819
He's pretty handsome too.

1284
01:13:53.939 --> 01:13:59.579
Like, the ship is lousy. would fancy the spiky red one as well.

1285
01:13:59.640 --> 01:14:01.079
Well, maybe. strange people.

1286
01:14:01.140 --> 01:14:02.819
Saru, what about Saru?

1287
01:14:05.279 --> 01:14:11.220
No, I like the sort of zombie Borg queen lady.

1288
01:14:11.279 --> 01:14:12.899
Oh, yeah.

1289
01:14:12.960 --> 01:14:14.819
You and your weird kinks.

1290
01:14:14.880 --> 01:14:18.479
And I'm look, I'm getting moist over your show.

1291
01:14:18.539 --> 01:14:20.279
I mean what's happening around here these days?

1292
01:14:20.340 --> 01:14:22.560
Yeah, but you know, she's pretty great.

1293
01:14:22.619 --> 01:14:25.380
Later on, right, when she's kicking the shit out of control.

1294
01:14:25.439 --> 01:14:26.880
It's wonderful, isn't it?

1295
01:14:26.880 --> 01:14:28.319
hottest thing I've ever seen in my life.

1296
01:14:28.380 --> 01:14:30.840
Then the gravity goes off, right?

1297
01:14:30.899 --> 01:14:33.000
And then there's rocks flying about the place.

1298
01:14:33.060 --> 01:14:35.039
I mean, I was in heaven.

1299
01:14:35.159 --> 01:14:40.739
Everything that you can want from Star Trek, another reaction shot there from race for you.

1300
01:14:40.800 --> 01:14:41.699
Perfect.

1301
01:14:41.760 --> 01:14:44.579
Oh, this was great as well.

1302
01:14:44.640 --> 01:14:47.520
Him going, it's not even being.

1303
01:14:47.520 --> 01:14:49.800
Do not buy into this brain, isn't he?

1304
01:14:49.859 --> 01:14:50.460
He's really good.

1305
01:14:50.520 --> 01:14:51.600
He's really good.

1306
01:14:51.659 --> 01:14:53.220
There he is.

1307
01:14:53.279 --> 01:14:54.119
Leyland.

1308
01:14:54.119 --> 01:14:55.020
How do I know that name?

1309
01:14:55.020 --> 01:14:55.739
Leyland.

1310
01:14:55.800 --> 01:14:57.600
Oh, he's a character in Twin Peaks.

1311
01:14:57.659 --> 01:14:58.020
That's why.

1312
01:14:58.079 --> 01:14:58.500
Oh, okay.

1313
01:14:58.560 --> 01:14:59.279
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1314
01:14:59.340 --> 01:15:00.600
Everybody hates you.

1315
01:15:00.720 --> 01:15:04.979
It's on short, she says, well done. everyone hates you.

1316
01:15:05.100 --> 01:15:06.659
Congratulations.

1317
01:15:06.779 --> 01:15:08.579
Everyone here hates you.

1318
01:15:08.640 --> 01:15:09.420
Yeah.

1319
01:15:10.560 --> 01:15:12.060
Yeah.

1320
01:15:12.119 --> 01:15:15.539
Because what I've achieved in episode one, buddy.

1321
01:15:15.720 --> 01:15:18.479
Well done, Joe. everyone hates you.

1322
01:15:18.539 --> 01:15:20.760
He's great, isn't he?

1323
01:15:20.819 --> 01:15:21.779
He looks very scary.

1324
01:15:21.840 --> 01:15:23.880
And so this is great too.

1325
01:15:24.000 --> 01:15:30.180
And we saw this in episode one where we had those corridors out.

1326
01:15:30.239 --> 01:15:31.859
The yeah, this.

1327
01:15:31.920 --> 01:15:33.239
So this is...

1328
01:15:33.239 --> 01:15:34.079
Look at those ships.

1329
01:15:34.140 --> 01:15:37.859
This is where the show goes going forward, isn't it?

1330
01:15:37.979 --> 01:15:45.840
The show has ships that detach bits off themselves or ships that are a bundle of bits that just sort of travel with one another.

1331
01:15:45.899 --> 01:15:47.159
We do that to discovery.

1332
01:15:47.220 --> 01:15:49.800
It's nacelles get detached and stuff.

1333
01:15:49.859 --> 01:15:58.560
And in the last episode where we had those things folding out of the ship and creating like corridors between the 2 ships that were docked together.

1334
01:15:58.619 --> 01:16:00.359
Like all of that, here we go.

1335
01:16:00.420 --> 01:16:02.399
We just had the 2 here's my theory.

1336
01:16:02.460 --> 01:16:11.220
We just had a shot of the battle set of the battle field, essentially, the 2 ships, and then the ships surrounding them, and we saw where we were.

1337
01:16:11.279 --> 01:16:12.539
Then we went into the credits.

1338
01:16:12.600 --> 01:16:18.300
Like from above, like you had in the old Star Trek game, you know, so you can see the whole playing field.

1339
01:16:18.359 --> 01:16:19.380
Yeah, yeah.

1340
01:16:19.439 --> 01:16:21.239
It's really good. really great.

1341
01:16:21.300 --> 01:16:28.920
And for those of you out there, you know, the 90s trek fans. that are complaining about how sophisticated the technology is these days.

1342
01:16:28.979 --> 01:16:32.579
If they could have done this in the 90s, they would have.

1343
01:16:32.699 --> 01:16:36.960
They did everything they could possibly do, but they would push them. pushing this.

1344
01:16:37.020 --> 01:16:39.899
Like in Deep Space 9, those battles looked incredible at the time.

1345
01:16:39.960 --> 01:16:42.300
We were absolutely in awe of them.

1346
01:16:42.359 --> 01:16:45.479
And I think often they look really good as well still now.

1347
01:16:45.779 --> 01:16:52.800
Well, um, because there's sequences in Way of the Warrior, where they try and do the...

1348
01:16:52.859 --> 01:16:53.760
Well, no, they don't try.

1349
01:16:53.819 --> 01:16:59.579
They do the POV of a photon torpedo as it's going through the battle.

1350
01:16:59.579 --> 01:17:01.739
And it's like a money shot, right?

1351
01:17:01.800 --> 01:17:03.420
They can only do it once or twice.

1352
01:17:03.479 --> 01:17:07.619
Whereas here, they just have the tech and they can, they can do it all the time.

1353
01:17:07.680 --> 01:17:11.399
It's it is the natural extension of what they were doing.

1354
01:17:11.460 --> 01:17:13.260
Yeah, of course. you know, but 20 years later.

1355
01:17:13.319 --> 01:17:14.819
Yeah, yeah.

1356
01:17:14.880 --> 01:17:15.960
God bless technology.

1357
01:17:16.020 --> 01:17:22.260
I mean, we used to console ourselves by saying that what we really need are sort of great actors declaiming great lines and stuff.

1358
01:17:22.260 --> 01:17:23.760
And all of that's in that.

1359
01:17:24.239 --> 01:17:32.579
Of course we do, but it's still television and we still want vision and this show absolutely delivers it.

1360
01:17:33.420 --> 01:17:37.439
Yeah, it is the visionist Star Trek of all.

1361
01:17:37.500 --> 01:17:38.399
I'd probably say.

1362
01:17:38.460 --> 01:17:40.260
Even more than Strange New Worlds actually.

1363
01:17:40.319 --> 01:17:42.300
Well, maybe.

1364
01:17:42.359 --> 01:17:48.539
I think Stranger World does look amazingly fabulously weird and does things that the show doesn't do.

1365
01:17:48.600 --> 01:17:51.420
There's an ambition to this, though.

1366
01:17:51.479 --> 01:17:52.560
When they go for action.

1367
01:17:52.619 --> 01:17:54.359
He's extended action.

1368
01:17:54.420 --> 01:17:55.140
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1369
01:17:55.199 --> 01:17:55.739
I know.

1370
01:17:55.800 --> 01:17:57.539
I love the chaos of it.

1371
01:17:57.600 --> 01:18:00.000
But you can't quite figure out who should.

1372
01:18:00.119 --> 01:18:01.260
We got the shot from above.

1373
01:18:01.319 --> 01:18:02.699
Now we can see what's happening.

1374
01:18:02.760 --> 01:18:03.600
Do you know what I mean?

1375
01:18:03.659 --> 01:18:05.220
There's that ring around them, all of that.

1376
01:18:05.279 --> 01:18:05.939
It's very clear.

1377
01:18:06.000 --> 01:18:08.579
That's what being in a batter was lying, right?

1378
01:18:08.640 --> 01:18:09.659
There's so much happening.

1379
01:18:09.720 --> 01:18:13.260
You don't get a clear vision on a clear path.

1380
01:18:13.380 --> 01:18:15.659
It's everyone trying to kill everybody.

1381
01:18:15.720 --> 01:18:17.220
Oh, rocks flying everywhere.

1382
01:18:17.279 --> 01:18:18.119
Come on.

1383
01:18:18.180 --> 01:18:18.840
Yep.

1384
01:18:18.899 --> 01:18:21.000
Oh, man.

1385
01:18:22.979 --> 01:18:24.960
See him there with a beard.

1386
01:18:25.020 --> 01:18:28.020
I don't know who he was, but on Discovery.

1387
01:18:28.079 --> 01:18:29.039
Yeah.

1388
01:18:29.039 --> 01:18:32.039
Yeah, yeah, that's that's that's some that's Bryce.

1389
01:18:32.100 --> 01:18:34.380
He gets replaced by Christopher.

1390
01:18:35.220 --> 01:18:37.739
And they, he starts to disappear a little bit from the show.

1391
01:18:37.920 --> 01:18:39.720
Did you hear that?

1392
01:18:39.779 --> 01:18:45.000
It's the lion Sanequis always wanted to say, Reno, we need the time crystal.

1393
01:18:45.060 --> 01:18:47.100
Why, she signed up.

1394
01:18:48.119 --> 01:18:50.399
Yeah, and you know what, right?

1395
01:18:50.460 --> 01:18:56.279
As sparks rain in slow motion around that enterprise bridge, it's like visual porn, isn't it?

1396
01:18:56.340 --> 01:18:57.420
It's so great.

1397
01:18:57.479 --> 01:18:58.979
It's so good.

1398
01:19:00.239 --> 01:19:04.739
We, I said, throw yourself across the set like the original series.

1399
01:19:08.399 --> 01:19:12.539
That's about must have been like, am I getting paid to do this, really?

1400
01:19:12.600 --> 01:19:14.699
I'm doing Star Trek.

1401
01:19:14.760 --> 01:19:18.239
It's incredible I wonder if as a little boy, you know, he watched original Trek.

1402
01:19:18.239 --> 01:19:19.920
Yeah, no idea.

1403
01:19:19.920 --> 01:19:20.760
What he was going to be doing.

1404
01:19:20.819 --> 01:19:22.500
He's younger than me, I think.

1405
01:19:22.560 --> 01:19:23.640
I mean, he must be.

1406
01:19:23.760 --> 01:19:25.319
And I love it.

1407
01:19:25.439 --> 01:19:27.479
Don't you love how the princess's eyes?

1408
01:19:27.539 --> 01:19:28.859
Her eyes bring.

1409
01:19:28.920 --> 01:19:29.640
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1410
01:19:29.699 --> 01:19:30.600
They blink sideways.

1411
01:19:30.659 --> 01:19:31.619
They're really good, aren't they?

1412
01:19:31.680 --> 01:19:32.399
looks really good.

1413
01:19:32.460 --> 01:19:34.319
Her eyes blink.

1414
01:19:34.380 --> 01:19:36.300
Joe, what?

1415
01:19:37.319 --> 01:19:39.899
Thank you for the additional explanation there.

1416
01:19:41.039 --> 01:19:42.899
Man, man.

1417
01:19:42.960 --> 01:19:45.359
I mean, their spark budget must be pretty.

1418
01:19:45.420 --> 01:19:49.680
So we have Saru, like being mean to Michelle.

1419
01:19:49.739 --> 01:19:50.520
Do you know what I mean?

1420
01:19:50.579 --> 01:19:52.859
Like going, have you got anything to contribute?

1421
01:19:52.920 --> 01:19:54.479
You know, like, why are you here?

1422
01:19:54.539 --> 01:20:00.239
Nathan, maybe it's something about the mature woman, you know, because number one is quite pretty as well.

1423
01:20:00.300 --> 01:20:00.840
Why wasn't she?

1424
01:20:00.899 --> 01:20:01.500
Yeah.

1425
01:20:01.560 --> 01:20:15.779
So she is, of course, that's Rebecca Romayne, who will go on to play Una in Strangely World, and she is, of course, married to the person who plays Jack in Lower Decks.

1426
01:20:15.840 --> 01:20:18.539
So they are a Star Trek Power couple.

1427
01:20:18.600 --> 01:20:31.500
And in fact, in the episode, those old scientists where Boheemler and Mariner come on board, we do hear Jack saying how hot Una is and how adorable she was.

1428
01:20:31.560 --> 01:20:37.439
But yes, they're both 1st officers in Kurtzman Trek, and they're a couple Power Star Trek couple.

1429
01:20:37.500 --> 01:20:39.840
Oh my God, I love her so much.

1430
01:20:39.899 --> 01:20:47.220
Saru went, you know, our 1st priority is to get Michael Burnham back and Georgio went for you perhaps.

1431
01:20:50.399 --> 01:20:52.859
Oh boy, oh boy.

1432
01:20:52.920 --> 01:20:58.319
The bit where she cuts her down later, I must pay attention and get every line on this podcast, all right?

1433
01:20:58.380 --> 01:20:59.100
It's so good.

1434
01:20:59.159 --> 01:21:00.000
It is so great.

1435
01:21:01.319 --> 01:21:03.840
Man, look at this.

1436
01:21:03.899 --> 01:21:04.859
It's stunning.

1437
01:21:04.920 --> 01:21:07.020
Yeah, just looks incredible.

1438
01:21:07.079 --> 01:21:11.279
I was watching these on my phone and actually seeing them on the big screen like this.

1439
01:21:11.340 --> 01:21:13.199
It's far more impressive.

1440
01:21:13.260 --> 01:21:14.340
Oh, no, it's amazing.

1441
01:21:14.399 --> 01:21:15.359
It is amazing stuff.

1442
01:21:15.420 --> 01:21:19.199
But they are, look at the, like, just the pyrotechnics.

1443
01:21:19.260 --> 01:21:23.340
I mean, it's not real, but, you know, like the computery stuff just looks amazing.

1444
01:21:26.520 --> 01:21:29.939
I mean, it's as real as it's ever going to look, right?

1445
01:21:30.000 --> 01:21:30.779
No, that's true.

1446
01:21:30.840 --> 01:21:31.439
That's true.

1447
01:21:31.500 --> 01:21:37.199
You don't think in sort of 20, 30 years time, we'll look back on this and go, oh, well, doesn't look primitive.

1448
01:21:37.319 --> 01:21:38.159
Maybe.

1449
01:21:38.220 --> 01:21:40.859
But I think where the hell will we be then?

1450
01:21:40.920 --> 01:21:41.699
Yeah, yeah.

1451
01:21:41.760 --> 01:21:42.600
Well, what are we doing?

1452
01:21:42.659 --> 01:21:43.140
don't know.

1453
01:21:43.199 --> 01:21:46.739
We'll be on our own holiday experiencing Star Trek for real.

1454
01:21:46.800 --> 01:21:48.000
Yeah, yeah, yeah, maybe.

1455
01:21:48.960 --> 01:21:51.840
Oh, this is just all gorgeous.

1456
01:21:51.899 --> 01:21:53.039
It's like being at a movie.

1457
01:21:53.100 --> 01:21:54.060
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1458
01:21:54.119 --> 01:21:54.539
Yeah.

1459
01:21:54.600 --> 01:22:06.840
But it was always like that's the thing that this does, I think, that Star Trek, that the Discovery does, is the big finales are big events because they change the status quo because things matter.

1460
01:22:06.960 --> 01:22:13.979
It's not just a, you know, like a syndicated show like Star Trek the Next Generation, where we finish in the same place where we started every week.

1461
01:22:14.039 --> 01:22:15.960
Like things happen all the time.

1462
01:22:16.380 --> 01:22:24.359
I'm not sure where the mixture of rocks and sparks became like the ultimate action that you could have. but honestly, God.

1463
01:22:24.420 --> 01:22:25.800
Did you see that scene on the bridge there?

1464
01:22:26.039 --> 01:22:28.439
They were flying about all over.

1465
01:22:28.500 --> 01:22:29.399
What's happening now?

1466
01:22:29.460 --> 01:22:32.220
with zooming down a lift shaft.

1467
01:22:33.840 --> 01:22:37.619
This is all too fast for me through these old eyes.

1468
01:22:37.739 --> 01:22:44.220
The lift shaft things, I think, just look absolutely amazing in discovery, like they're very, very strange.

1469
01:22:44.340 --> 01:22:49.859
That slow motion where they literally all slammed against the walls there.

1470
01:22:49.920 --> 01:22:50.520
Did you see that?

1471
01:22:50.579 --> 01:22:51.420
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1472
01:22:51.420 --> 01:22:51.779
Fabulous.

1473
01:22:51.840 --> 01:22:53.159
Oh, unbelievable.

1474
01:22:53.220 --> 01:22:54.119
And...

1475
01:22:54.119 --> 01:22:56.939
Oh, stomachs has been impaled.

1476
01:22:57.060 --> 01:22:59.039
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1477
01:22:59.100 --> 01:22:59.760
Yeah.

1478
01:22:59.819 --> 01:23:02.100
Shouldn't have been such an arsehole to Reno.

1479
01:23:02.159 --> 01:23:03.420
Well, this is gonna happen.

1480
01:23:03.479 --> 01:23:06.779
This is gonna be it for the rest of the thing, of course.

1481
01:23:06.840 --> 01:23:10.439
And he's still impaled when we when we next see him, I think.

1482
01:23:10.979 --> 01:23:13.979
It's going to put a crimp on your day, isn't it?

1483
01:23:14.039 --> 01:23:15.420
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1484
01:23:15.479 --> 01:23:19.380
Well, I think he has to do some engineering or give some sort of instructions and stuff.

1485
01:23:19.439 --> 01:23:23.699
And so it's Reno and Culber in that episode 2 of the next season.

1486
01:23:23.760 --> 01:23:25.260
But uh, yes.

1487
01:23:26.279 --> 01:23:28.020
Oh my god.

1488
01:23:28.079 --> 01:23:33.659
I mean, I didn't think there could be anything hotter than bearded Spock, but Beard and Scott saw covered in blood as well.

1489
01:23:33.960 --> 01:23:36.060
That's amazing, as well.

1490
01:23:36.119 --> 01:23:37.500
Did you hear the line there?

1491
01:23:37.560 --> 01:23:40.020
Let's just make sure nobody else gets some pail, sure.

1492
01:23:41.760 --> 01:23:45.960
They're so weird enough, because the action's going now.

1493
01:23:46.020 --> 01:23:47.760
I think the wit's faster as well.

1494
01:23:47.819 --> 01:23:51.180
There's just more funny lines, you know, to break it up because that's right.

1495
01:23:51.239 --> 01:23:51.659
That's right.

1496
01:23:51.720 --> 01:23:54.600
And like everything is so good.

1497
01:23:54.659 --> 01:23:56.640
And we've got Dr. Watts a face.

1498
01:23:56.699 --> 01:23:57.720
I can't even remember her name.

1499
01:23:57.779 --> 01:23:59.640
She's really that old. alien.

1500
01:23:59.640 --> 01:24:00.779
Did you see that alien?

1501
01:24:00.840 --> 01:24:02.100
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1502
01:24:02.220 --> 01:24:03.420
I don't know what that was.

1503
01:24:06.420 --> 01:24:10.979
Are you telling me I'm getting made up for 5 hours and I don't even get a line.

1504
01:24:11.039 --> 01:24:13.020
I'm just on a bio bed.

1505
01:24:14.760 --> 01:24:16.619
Oh that was great.

1506
01:24:16.680 --> 01:24:21.779
I don't know who that woman is, but she went, no, I'm going to do a half-arse job just for once.

1507
01:24:21.840 --> 01:24:22.619
Yeah, I know.

1508
01:24:22.680 --> 01:24:23.760
I know, it's so good.

1509
01:24:24.359 --> 01:24:25.979
Do we know her?

1510
01:24:26.039 --> 01:24:37.619
Yeah, I think she's, I can't remember her name, though, and she is not on my list of people because I didn't copy it all the way down, but she has been on it before, and she is another one of the doctors.

1511
01:24:38.699 --> 01:24:41.460
Well, she's jolly good fun.

1512
01:24:41.520 --> 01:24:42.779
She absolutely is.

1513
01:24:43.020 --> 01:24:44.640
Here we go.

1514
01:24:44.699 --> 01:24:46.260
Oh, hang on. slowed down a bit now.

1515
01:24:46.319 --> 01:24:47.279
Oh, the suit.

1516
01:24:47.340 --> 01:24:48.119
Yeah, yeah.

1517
01:24:48.180 --> 01:24:50.640
Back to the plot with the suit, back to the plot.

1518
01:24:50.699 --> 01:24:53.520
And so the time crystals in the suit, we're all looking at the suit.

1519
01:24:53.579 --> 01:24:55.920
The time crystal.

1520
01:24:59.100 --> 01:25:02.220
I fucking love the time crystal now.

1521
01:25:03.840 --> 01:25:06.960
I mean, look at this when the suit comes on.

1522
01:25:07.020 --> 01:25:08.340
I know, isn't it great?

1523
01:25:08.399 --> 01:25:15.420
Like, not only does it sort of save us time, we don't have to watch her put the suit on, but it just kind of...

1524
01:25:15.479 --> 01:25:18.060
Do you remember when we watched Enterprise?

1525
01:25:18.420 --> 01:25:22.140
We wash Malcolm Reed for 5 fucking minutes.

1526
01:25:22.199 --> 01:25:33.359
And the show can now lean into this more because we're about to go 950 years into the future where this shit happens all the time, you know, and because they've got the money to do it, they can do the programmerable matter thing.

1527
01:25:33.420 --> 01:25:43.560
They can do the thing where rather than going out into the corridor and going into the next room, they just personal transport to the next room because they can't be fucked walking.

1528
01:25:43.619 --> 01:25:45.479
Like all of that stuff are so great.

1529
01:25:45.539 --> 01:25:48.239
I mean, in a way, it is such a sunny, isn't it?

1530
01:25:48.300 --> 01:25:49.140
Yeah, in that.

1531
01:25:49.140 --> 01:25:50.340
Oh, I know.

1532
01:25:50.399 --> 01:25:52.260
This scene between Spock and Burnham is great.

1533
01:25:52.319 --> 01:25:54.479
And it's just pretty, pretty small.

1534
01:25:54.539 --> 01:25:55.199
And that's enough.

1535
01:25:55.260 --> 01:25:56.760
I didn't need the second one.

1536
01:25:56.819 --> 01:26:01.199
I didn't need, which is absolutely packed full of saccharine dialogue.

1537
01:26:01.260 --> 01:26:03.659
And that's, but that is the farewell.

1538
01:26:03.720 --> 01:26:05.100
This isn't the farewell.

1539
01:26:05.159 --> 01:26:06.420
This is a possible farewell.

1540
01:26:06.479 --> 01:26:07.560
Do you know what I mean?

1541
01:26:07.619 --> 01:26:09.300
because Spock is staying with them.

1542
01:26:09.659 --> 01:26:11.520
Did you see that there?

1543
01:26:11.579 --> 01:26:16.800
In that cargo bay, there was what looked like the TNG containers in the background there.

1544
01:26:16.859 --> 01:26:18.359
Did you see the prisms?

1545
01:26:18.420 --> 01:26:20.460
All of them stacked up on top of each other.

1546
01:26:20.520 --> 01:26:22.500
That would have been deliberate.

1547
01:26:23.159 --> 01:26:24.840
Absolutely.

1548
01:26:24.899 --> 01:26:33.119
Now, what I was going to say was, I think it's a savvy move in that when they go into the future, they can just let their imaginations fly with the tech and all of that, you know?

1549
01:26:33.180 --> 01:26:36.000
And we just want to go mad and we can now.

1550
01:26:36.119 --> 01:26:38.640
And they did that in series one.

1551
01:26:38.699 --> 01:26:45.119
I think series one looks incredible for the time, but they are able to even make a go up a notch because they're free to do what they want.

1552
01:26:45.180 --> 01:26:47.880
And so they've redesigned what tricorders look like.

1553
01:26:47.939 --> 01:26:51.300
They've redesigned, you know, what ships look like for God's sake.

1554
01:26:51.359 --> 01:26:56.640
There's those things that you see in that late discovery where you don't even know what they are.

1555
01:26:56.699 --> 01:27:02.460
Like there's some space thing happening outside, but you can't recognise it because it's so foreign.

1556
01:27:02.520 --> 01:27:04.319
And, you know, they're able to read a science.

1557
01:27:04.380 --> 01:27:06.300
Oh, they push the big head guy out of the way.

1558
01:27:06.359 --> 01:27:10.800
They're able to kind of redesign, you know, thinks absolutely completely.

1559
01:27:10.920 --> 01:27:11.579
It's amazing.

1560
01:27:11.640 --> 01:27:13.739
This is so good.

1561
01:27:13.800 --> 01:27:14.819
Look at this.

1562
01:27:14.880 --> 01:27:18.960
Obviously, the visuals on the pacing is very different.

1563
01:27:19.020 --> 01:27:19.739
Out we go.

1564
01:27:19.800 --> 01:27:20.939
Both of them.

1565
01:27:20.939 --> 01:27:31.020
But in terms of doing a lot of plot and cut in between action and character, I was getting DS9 vibes from this.

1566
01:27:31.079 --> 01:27:33.539
Obviously, this is DS9 much in the future.

1567
01:27:33.600 --> 01:27:51.960
But I think that this is this, this, you know, DS9, because of the serialisation, because of the constant retooling, um, you know, the, I know, that thing, like whatever the hell they even are, all swirling around each other. arrow shit going after her.

1568
01:27:52.020 --> 01:27:53.039
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1569
01:27:53.100 --> 01:27:54.300
It's amazing isn't it?

1570
01:27:54.359 --> 01:27:58.439
Look at this now when we see from the suit's point of view going for all those arrows.

1571
01:27:58.500 --> 01:28:00.000
It's incredible.

1572
01:28:00.000 --> 01:28:02.220
It's so good.

1573
01:28:02.279 --> 01:28:03.659
Debris.

1574
01:28:03.779 --> 01:28:08.579
But do you remember that 1st episode, like the opening episode, which sold me.

1575
01:28:08.640 --> 01:28:16.619
This is when I was sold on Discovery, was where she goes out in the EV pod thing to investigate that Klingon artefact.

1576
01:28:16.619 --> 01:28:22.260
And it's just like, you know, Star Trek, the Next Generation did 7 years and no one went into fucking space.

1577
01:28:22.319 --> 01:28:25.079
Like, they may as well have been on an ocean.

1578
01:28:25.079 --> 01:28:25.739
No, it was for me.

1579
01:28:25.800 --> 01:28:32.460
You know, when she was in the, in the cell, and then the whole of the room, is blown up around her.

1580
01:28:32.460 --> 01:28:33.960
And it's just a cell, in space.

1581
01:28:34.020 --> 01:28:35.220
It was amazing.

1582
01:28:35.279 --> 01:28:39.060
I thought, God, we're not in Kansas anymore, Dorothy.

1583
01:28:39.119 --> 01:28:40.619
Really good.

1584
01:28:40.680 --> 01:28:42.899
Like this. holy crap.

1585
01:28:42.960 --> 01:28:44.579
And it's distressed as well.

1586
01:28:44.640 --> 01:28:52.140
You know, like this... like there's lens flare and it's almost like the glass on the camera is a bit dirty or whatever.

1587
01:28:52.199 --> 01:28:56.220
Like, it's, it seems so rare. all those rocks.

1588
01:28:56.279 --> 01:28:58.319
Oh my god.

1589
01:28:58.319 --> 01:29:00.180
You haven't even had the best yet.

1590
01:29:00.239 --> 01:29:01.680
You see slow motion rocks later.

1591
01:29:01.739 --> 01:29:02.340
It's amazing.

1592
01:29:02.399 --> 01:29:03.239
Here's Leland.

1593
01:29:04.500 --> 01:29:11.939
So, do you remember, have you seen the episode yet, then, in lower decks, which just explains why there's so many rocks in the consoles?

1594
01:29:12.060 --> 01:29:18.779
name for them and it explains what they're for, but I can't remember what the dialogue is, because I have seen all of Lower Decks, but they do explain the rocks.

1595
01:29:18.899 --> 01:29:25.260
Fortunately, in discovery, they don't end up murdering people, but in 90s strike, it happens all the time.

1596
01:29:25.319 --> 01:29:26.520
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1597
01:29:26.579 --> 01:29:27.659
No, we mostly survive.

1598
01:29:27.720 --> 01:29:31.800
Well, I think they drop that from the academy prospectus.

1599
01:29:31.859 --> 01:29:35.520
There was a, back in the day, there was a how to avoid the role.

1600
01:29:35.520 --> 01:29:37.199
That's when the consoles...

1601
01:29:37.260 --> 01:29:38.699
Well, it's when the knives.

1602
01:29:38.760 --> 01:29:40.079
It's when they pack them with knives.

1603
01:29:40.979 --> 01:29:42.600
Oh, yes.

1604
01:29:42.659 --> 01:29:43.260
What was her name?

1605
01:29:43.319 --> 01:29:43.979
Captain Garrett.

1606
01:29:44.039 --> 01:29:44.939
Or old Captain Garrett.

1607
01:29:44.939 --> 01:29:45.899
From Section 8.

1608
01:29:45.899 --> 01:29:47.100
Ryland Bill of Burheads.

1609
01:29:47.399 --> 01:29:49.739
Is she from section 31?

1610
01:29:49.800 --> 01:29:51.479
She's in section one.

1611
01:29:51.539 --> 01:29:52.800
Oh is she?

1612
01:29:52.859 --> 01:29:55.739
Yeah, young Rachel Garrett is in section 31.

1613
01:29:55.859 --> 01:29:57.180
As a part of section 31.

1614
01:29:57.359 --> 01:30:00.899
No, she's the sort of Starfleet person who's keeping them kind of honest.

1615
01:30:00.960 --> 01:30:03.359
You know, she's kind of telling them to calm down.

1616
01:30:03.420 --> 01:30:04.560
Her husband, Troke, man.

1617
01:30:04.619 --> 01:30:05.880
They will not. no stone.

1618
01:30:05.939 --> 01:30:07.619
They won't pick up. absolutely great.

1619
01:30:07.680 --> 01:30:08.640
So good.

1620
01:30:08.760 --> 01:30:11.640
Shields down to 38%.

1621
01:30:11.699 --> 01:30:12.479
Oh shit.

1622
01:30:12.539 --> 01:30:20.399
So, Michelle's, would you like to join me after we've done some breaking and entering, would you like to join me in making Leland scream?

1623
01:30:20.579 --> 01:30:22.260
Oh, yes.

1624
01:30:22.260 --> 01:30:24.060
Michelle and none.

1625
01:30:24.119 --> 01:30:26.399
And then it's paid off when she goes now.

1626
01:30:26.399 --> 01:30:29.100
Now I want to hear you scream.

1627
01:30:29.100 --> 01:30:31.199
That's what you had, Michelle for.

1628
01:30:31.260 --> 01:30:32.279
Do you know what I mean?

1629
01:30:32.340 --> 01:30:34.500
To torture the bad guy before killing you.

1630
01:30:34.560 --> 01:30:35.159
It's wonderful.

1631
01:30:35.220 --> 01:30:37.319
It's a perfect decision.

1632
01:30:37.380 --> 01:30:39.960
Badass bitch as well.

1633
01:30:40.020 --> 01:30:40.859
All right.

1634
01:30:40.920 --> 01:30:46.800
So this is the scene where Spock discovers that he's not going to see that.

1635
01:30:46.859 --> 01:30:48.060
See, we lean into that.

1636
01:30:48.119 --> 01:30:53.640
That thing, her big typewriter thing, which is in space, which is programming.

1637
01:30:53.699 --> 01:30:57.300
And obviously that's what everything looks like in the...

1638
01:30:57.300 --> 01:30:59.640
I think Picard was the king of that, wasn't it?

1639
01:30:59.699 --> 01:31:01.800
Yeah, yeah, the consoles in space.

1640
01:31:01.859 --> 01:31:03.720
Sorry, holographic consoles.

1641
01:31:03.779 --> 01:31:12.300
Remember how they, you know, the badge is their tricorder and it comes out and it gives them a little keypad and stuff, you know, like it's all thing.

1642
01:31:12.359 --> 01:31:13.439
Oh, so what?

1643
01:31:13.439 --> 01:31:14.819
God bless CGI.

1644
01:31:14.880 --> 01:31:15.600
What's this?

1645
01:31:15.659 --> 01:31:24.479
But the fact that they are now able to put the CGI element so seamlessly into Oh, it's the torpedo that was off in the flash forward.

1646
01:31:24.539 --> 01:31:25.500
Yeah.

1647
01:31:25.560 --> 01:31:29.159
I remember that Voyager episode where the shuttle went paled inside.

1648
01:31:29.220 --> 01:31:30.180
Well, look what you can do now.

1649
01:31:30.239 --> 01:31:31.140
Yeah, that's right.

1650
01:31:31.199 --> 01:31:33.479
And I think we're going to get that scene.

1651
01:31:33.539 --> 01:31:45.779
So we are going to kill off Captain Admiral, um, Admiral Cornwall in this because she's going to go and disarm the bomb.

1652
01:31:45.840 --> 01:31:47.159
Do you know what I mean?

1653
01:31:47.220 --> 01:31:50.159
So that she gets a scene with Anson Mount to say goodbye.

1654
01:31:50.279 --> 01:31:57.539
And she was kind of our, she was our admiral for those 2 seasons and she had that relationship with, with...

1655
01:31:57.600 --> 01:31:59.159
No, we get car. going forward.

1656
01:31:59.220 --> 01:32:00.899
Fabulous president, isn't it?

1657
01:32:00.960 --> 01:32:02.279
Oh, yeah, yeah.

1658
01:32:02.340 --> 01:32:05.279
No, but I remember, you know, Vance, handsome Admiral Vance.

1659
01:32:05.340 --> 01:32:07.020
So you get really...

1660
01:32:07.079 --> 01:32:14.460
You get Relick, the president, the woman, the, you know, the president of the Federation. but then you get Admiral Van. one who's Admiral Vans.

1661
01:32:14.520 --> 01:32:17.039
Is she the one that's a bit unsure about Burnham?

1662
01:32:17.100 --> 01:32:17.819
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1663
01:32:18.779 --> 01:32:19.439
Oh, I love it.

1664
01:32:19.439 --> 01:32:24.539
And they actually butts up against her and she's part Cardassian and part Bajoran, remember?

1665
01:32:24.600 --> 01:32:26.760
That's right Yeah, she's really good.

1666
01:32:26.760 --> 01:32:27.899
Vance.

1667
01:32:27.960 --> 01:32:28.560
I know.

1668
01:32:28.560 --> 01:32:29.640
Bl handsome.

1669
01:32:29.699 --> 01:32:31.619
Very handsome man. grief.

1670
01:32:31.680 --> 01:32:35.760
You should have a big orgy with all the discovery characters.

1671
01:32:35.819 --> 01:32:37.260
I wouldn't know where to go first.

1672
01:32:37.560 --> 01:32:40.560
I'll probably come and find you if I'm honest.

1673
01:32:40.619 --> 01:32:41.520
Wait, look at the dogs.

1674
01:32:41.520 --> 01:32:42.119
Oh, yes.

1675
01:32:42.359 --> 01:32:44.819
Coming out to clean up the ship.

1676
01:32:44.880 --> 01:32:45.779
That's so adorable.

1677
01:32:45.840 --> 01:32:47.640
Is this the thing?

1678
01:32:47.640 --> 01:32:49.739
Whenever we do, they're super cute.

1679
01:32:49.800 --> 01:32:57.539
So there's a, I can't remember when we 1st see the dots, but there is a short track entirely about a dot.

1680
01:32:57.659 --> 01:32:59.159
Oh, good.

1681
01:32:59.220 --> 01:33:01.500
Is there not an episode about outdoors?

1682
01:33:01.560 --> 01:33:10.680
No, they play a big role at the end of series 3 at the resolution of the series 3 finale, which we've already seen.

1683
01:33:10.680 --> 01:33:13.020
But yeah, no, they're very cute.

1684
01:33:13.079 --> 01:33:15.600
Usually going forward, it's whatever there's a cleanup crew.

1685
01:33:15.659 --> 01:33:18.479
You see a few dots coming in the back, actually.

1686
01:33:19.140 --> 01:33:19.739
They're adorable.

1687
01:33:19.800 --> 01:33:21.479
You could do the X-acomps with them.

1688
01:33:21.539 --> 01:33:24.899
Yeah, they could they could come sentient.

1689
01:33:24.960 --> 01:33:27.600
I'm not cleaning up your sheet any longer.

1690
01:33:28.560 --> 01:33:31.739
Oh, see, that's, yes, okay.

1691
01:33:31.800 --> 01:33:33.119
I'm going to ask you a question.

1692
01:33:33.180 --> 01:33:36.420
Because this episode is about what?

1693
01:33:36.479 --> 01:33:42.000
12, 13 minutes longer than the last one and longer than your standard discovery episode.

1694
01:33:42.239 --> 01:33:45.779
Now, I'm not saying I don't want to lose any of this action, which is very exciting.

1695
01:33:45.840 --> 01:33:48.899
But you think it probably could have been cut down to 45 minutes.

1696
01:33:48.960 --> 01:33:50.939
Well, there's no need to do that though.

1697
01:33:51.000 --> 01:33:51.899
Do you know what I mean?

1698
01:33:51.960 --> 01:33:54.960
Like, and give us some leisure, like, this is a big change to the show.

1699
01:33:55.020 --> 01:34:05.039
Let's have some time, like, make it an event, set it up, make it a giant event, you know, have a really, really long battle sequence that lasts like nearly an hour.

1700
01:34:05.100 --> 01:34:10.619
It's pretty amazing, and we've never done it before, and we're on streaming.

1701
01:34:10.680 --> 01:34:14.760
There's one episode of discovering that's 35 minutes long, I think.

1702
01:34:14.819 --> 01:34:19.380
And there's this one, which is an hour and 7 minutes.

1703
01:34:19.439 --> 01:34:20.399
I think that's okay.

1704
01:34:20.520 --> 01:34:28.500
With the pre-title sequences ending anything between 3 to 25 minutes into the episode.

1705
01:34:28.560 --> 01:34:31.439
There is one that's very, very late, I think.

1706
01:34:31.800 --> 01:34:33.960
What, 213?

1707
01:34:34.140 --> 01:34:37.319
Maybe not quite as much as that, but it is quite light.

1708
01:34:37.500 --> 01:34:39.659
But I like playing that.

1709
01:34:39.720 --> 01:34:41.159
We've blown up something.

1710
01:34:41.279 --> 01:34:43.140
What the hell is that?

1711
01:34:43.560 --> 01:34:48.420
It's a Klingon knife ship thing.

1712
01:34:48.539 --> 01:34:50.100
We do get a name.

1713
01:34:50.159 --> 01:34:53.100
Far kinder about those Klingons.

1714
01:34:53.159 --> 01:34:56.460
Yeah, but I think, so it's not what we settle on.

1715
01:34:56.699 --> 01:35:14.460
And obviously we don't have them in Strange New World, in Stranger Worlds, where they're really visible in series 2 and they just look like sort of standard Klingons, but both Discovery and the film series try and find a new way of doing Klingons that makes them...

1716
01:35:14.579 --> 01:35:15.300
Which I admire.

1717
01:35:15.359 --> 01:35:15.840
Yeah.

1718
01:35:15.899 --> 01:35:19.619
I just, yeah, all those scenes of them talking Klingonese.

1719
01:35:19.680 --> 01:35:21.000
I just couldn't bear it.

1720
01:35:21.060 --> 01:35:25.140
But again, making them speak not English was an important part.

1721
01:35:25.199 --> 01:35:29.340
Like, I think that was a good decision, but maybe the scenes didn't quite work.

1722
01:35:29.399 --> 01:35:30.779
I do love that opening scene.

1723
01:35:30.840 --> 01:35:34.680
And I think Takuvma looked incredible like that.

1724
01:35:34.739 --> 01:35:39.000
He looked fucking scary and alien in a way that Klingons hadn't for a while.

1725
01:35:39.060 --> 01:35:46.739
So this is Lorell, who was obviously Ash's girlfriend. and they will go off together, I think.

1726
01:35:47.279 --> 01:35:52.800
By the time we get to Subspace Rhapsody, the Klingons are singing boy band songs.

1727
01:35:52.859 --> 01:35:55.800
I was like, maybe we've lost the plot.

1728
01:35:56.220 --> 01:36:04.859
Well, it is, it is, after all, Stranger Worlds, which has to, you know, 2 or 3 comedy episodes a season and that's fine.

1729
01:36:05.039 --> 01:36:08.220
She looks like the new Klingons.

1730
01:36:08.279 --> 01:36:11.340
The one in the background looks a bit like our standard Klingons.

1731
01:36:11.399 --> 01:36:12.539
They're walking it back.

1732
01:36:12.600 --> 01:36:18.779
Again, remember they had no hair in series one, and now they have hair in series 2 because they've all stopped shaving.

1733
01:36:18.840 --> 01:36:20.880
Is it another sort of a minor apology?

1734
01:36:21.000 --> 01:36:26.760
Yeah, it's another minor apology, but I do think they should have stuck with it because I did think it made them look more alien.

1735
01:36:27.539 --> 01:36:31.500
Now here's Saru's sister. coming to join the battle.

1736
01:36:31.560 --> 01:36:36.180
Yeah, and she gets, they get to say goodbye properly and I'm really glad about that.

1737
01:36:36.239 --> 01:36:42.300
We did see him recording his goodbye and that's what brought her here.

1738
01:36:42.359 --> 01:36:46.079
But it is nice to see her kind of speak to him.

1739
01:36:46.199 --> 01:36:52.619
And of course, the next time that we go to Kaminar, it's quite different from the Kaminar that he experienced because it's nearly a 1000 years later.

1740
01:36:53.579 --> 01:36:58.680
Although the one in two, which is set on his world.

1741
01:36:58.739 --> 01:37:01.500
That was a great episode.

1742
01:37:01.560 --> 01:37:03.539
That was my favourite episode of the year, I think.

1743
01:37:03.600 --> 01:37:09.180
There's an excellent short track as well, which ends with Giorgio picking him up from his home world.

1744
01:37:09.239 --> 01:37:13.020
I watch more of those short tracks. we should do another one at some point.

1745
01:37:14.159 --> 01:37:18.779
Yeah, so he's worked out that she now needs to go back in time.

1746
01:37:18.840 --> 01:37:29.039
The reason she can't go to the future is that she hasn't set enough of the, um, you know, 7 things to make it possible.

1747
01:37:29.340 --> 01:37:31.020
Here we go.

1748
01:37:31.079 --> 01:37:32.279
So, yeah.

1749
01:37:32.279 --> 01:37:32.939
What's going on?

1750
01:37:33.000 --> 01:37:35.279
We're cutting from thing to thing now. what's happening?

1751
01:37:35.340 --> 01:37:40.800
Because this is where the red signals were earlier in the season.

1752
01:37:40.859 --> 01:37:45.359
She can't go into the future because she hasn't sent those signals yet.

1753
01:37:45.479 --> 01:37:53.760
So she has to go in the past and set up the entirety of the episode and only once she's done that, we should be able to go forward into the future.

1754
01:37:53.880 --> 01:37:57.479
And there are 7 signals that we know about.

1755
01:37:57.539 --> 01:37:59.819
We've seen 5 of them.

1756
01:37:59.880 --> 01:38:03.180
She's going to go and set those 5 now.

1757
01:38:03.239 --> 01:38:12.600
Then she's going to set another signal to guide them through, and then she sets the final signal to let Spock know that she got to the future, okay?

1758
01:38:12.659 --> 01:38:18.840
And so, so this is like, uh, it's like a Doctor Who concede.

1759
01:38:18.840 --> 01:38:22.380
It's like a Stephen Moffatt episode of Doctor Who.

1760
01:38:22.439 --> 01:38:26.100
You go back and you make the season happen.

1761
01:38:26.159 --> 01:38:40.380
And in a sense, that's why the season ends up not being about anything because the season is all about setting them up to go to the future and every adventure that they've had, which we just saw excerpted in that flashback, has been...

1762
01:38:40.380 --> 01:38:44.340
So throughout the season, we're trying to figure out what all these signals are about.

1763
01:38:44.399 --> 01:38:44.760
Yeah.

1764
01:38:44.880 --> 01:38:53.100
And then at the end of the season, we're just going to send the signals for us to then find at the start of the season.

1765
01:38:53.159 --> 01:38:55.079
Oh, I'm getting bosside.

1766
01:38:55.140 --> 01:38:55.560
Yeah.

1767
01:38:55.560 --> 01:38:57.180
I mean, Baselwick's position.

1768
01:38:57.239 --> 01:38:59.039
It's absolutely how it works.

1769
01:38:59.159 --> 01:39:00.779
AI sausage.

1770
01:39:01.199 --> 01:39:04.500
So what is the season actually about?

1771
01:39:04.560 --> 01:39:08.100
It is about, it is about going to the film.

1772
01:39:08.220 --> 01:39:09.479
Jumping to the future.

1773
01:39:09.539 --> 01:39:10.800
That's all it's about.

1774
01:39:10.859 --> 01:39:12.359
Well, at least they had a goal.

1775
01:39:12.479 --> 01:39:17.039
Although we have fun while it lasts, but essentially the arc is kind of a bit cramp.

1776
01:39:17.100 --> 01:39:19.560
Yeah. fun and a lot of tears.

1777
01:39:19.619 --> 01:39:20.640
Yeah, yeah.

1778
01:39:20.699 --> 01:39:21.359
I like that.

1779
01:39:21.420 --> 01:39:22.920
I like that in my Star Trek.

1780
01:39:22.979 --> 01:39:24.000
I wanna be made to cry.

1781
01:39:24.119 --> 01:39:25.619
And I also want to be made.

1782
01:39:25.739 --> 01:39:28.560
I like Emperor Giorgio with a big gun.

1783
01:39:28.560 --> 01:39:30.000
Oh, yeah.

1784
01:39:30.000 --> 01:39:31.739
You buy an incredibly hot guy.

1785
01:39:31.859 --> 01:39:32.640
Like, come on.

1786
01:39:32.699 --> 01:39:34.140
Josh, you wait.

1787
01:39:34.199 --> 01:39:34.800
It's so cool.

1788
01:39:35.340 --> 01:39:38.159
And she magnetises him.

1789
01:39:39.420 --> 01:39:40.920
So good.

1790
01:39:41.039 --> 01:39:43.560
That's all set up in a previous episode too.

1791
01:39:43.619 --> 01:39:47.460
We did see someone else who was full of the nanobots.

1792
01:39:47.520 --> 01:39:53.220
In fact, I think Giorgio alluded to him when she came in and saw Michael for the 1st time last episode.

1793
01:39:53.279 --> 01:39:58.319
So this is very much Katrina aware that she's about to die, I think.

1794
01:39:58.380 --> 01:39:59.880
Well, they just murder her already.

1795
01:39:59.939 --> 01:40:01.020
They're milking this a bit.

1796
01:40:01.079 --> 01:40:05.760
Yeah, but again, like, we have to give, like, I think someone needs to die.

1797
01:40:05.819 --> 01:40:06.960
Do you know what I mean?

1798
01:40:07.020 --> 01:40:08.880
Like, I think someone probably needs to die.

1799
01:40:08.939 --> 01:40:10.199
No one else does, do they?

1800
01:40:10.260 --> 01:40:11.039
Does anyone else die?

1801
01:40:11.100 --> 01:40:14.399
To be honest, Nathan, you know, I have watched this entire season.

1802
01:40:14.460 --> 01:40:16.920
I didn't even remember who that character was.

1803
01:40:16.979 --> 01:40:23.520
Don't you remember the scene in series one where she's in bed with Jason Isaacs?

1804
01:40:23.579 --> 01:40:29.699
She's in bed with Lorker and she sees that he's got in bed and she goes, what the fuck are you doing?

1805
01:40:29.760 --> 01:40:32.880
Like, why are you sleeping with a gun under your pillow?

1806
01:40:32.939 --> 01:40:34.439
Because she had a...

1807
01:40:34.500 --> 01:40:35.579
I mean, she's got some senses.

1808
01:40:35.579 --> 01:40:36.899
She's fucking Jason Isaacs.

1809
01:40:37.020 --> 01:40:39.000
Well, yeah, yeah, but she had an original.

1810
01:40:39.060 --> 01:40:45.720
She had a relationship with original law car, and then she's having sex with mirror locker and realises something's gone horribly wrong.

1811
01:40:45.779 --> 01:40:48.300
Oh, look.

1812
01:40:48.359 --> 01:40:49.140
Look.

1813
01:40:49.560 --> 01:40:54.060
Oh, and this, now we're going into the future together.

1814
01:40:54.119 --> 01:40:55.199
Yeah?

1815
01:40:55.260 --> 01:41:01.140
Um, I, like I kind of, I like this because it's not just the medical thing.

1816
01:41:01.199 --> 01:41:02.220
It is their relationship.

1817
01:41:02.279 --> 01:41:09.119
You know, it's their relationship and also, like, there's that thing, listen to my voice, you can follow my voice.

1818
01:41:09.180 --> 01:41:13.199
Yeah, and hear they're finishing that conversation from the 1st episode.

1819
01:41:13.680 --> 01:41:17.880
I do love the fact that they are tying up all this nonsense.

1820
01:41:18.420 --> 01:41:20.399
Yeah, they have to do that.

1821
01:41:20.460 --> 01:41:29.520
And it, like, so the relationship between Ash and Burnham, which was had stopped, you know, they get to have a massive snog on the way out because why don't, why wouldn't they?

1822
01:41:29.579 --> 01:41:30.779
They're both incredibly hot.

1823
01:41:30.840 --> 01:41:32.340
Now we have these two.

1824
01:41:32.399 --> 01:41:35.039
Go with them, that character.

1825
01:41:35.100 --> 01:41:38.039
Was it because they wanted to give her another romantic interest?

1826
01:41:38.100 --> 01:41:44.880
I think so But in story, it is that he wants to stay behind with section 31 to make sure nothing like control can ever happen again.

1827
01:41:44.880 --> 01:41:52.079
And he actually, when he's being interviewed, when he's being debriefed at the end of the episode, he makes it clear that he's concerned about that.

1828
01:41:52.260 --> 01:41:57.960
It's certainly not as egregious as ditching half the cast in Picard series too.

1829
01:41:58.020 --> 01:41:58.739
Yeah, yeah.

1830
01:41:58.800 --> 01:41:59.939
Oh, look.

1831
01:42:00.000 --> 01:42:02.760
Oh, Hugh had a bit of a cry.

1832
01:42:02.819 --> 01:42:04.920
We're going together.

1833
01:42:04.979 --> 01:42:06.420
All right, here we go.

1834
01:42:06.479 --> 01:42:14.279
So now we get to see her go back in time and so she can only, but she can only go, oh, there we go.

1835
01:42:14.340 --> 01:42:15.239
That's the explosion.

1836
01:42:15.300 --> 01:42:16.859
That means that he never gets to go home.

1837
01:42:17.640 --> 01:42:21.300
So he doesn't go with them because of this explosion.

1838
01:42:21.359 --> 01:42:23.159
He can't get back to discovery now.

1839
01:42:23.220 --> 01:42:25.439
What caused the explosion?

1840
01:42:25.500 --> 01:42:28.920
Because they're in a battle and people are firing shit at each other all the time.

1841
01:42:28.979 --> 01:42:30.899
So it's just a straight thing. will happen.

1842
01:42:30.899 --> 01:42:32.159
Yeah, that'll happen.

1843
01:42:32.340 --> 01:42:36.960
So this doesn't this looks incredible.

1844
01:42:37.020 --> 01:42:39.539
That suit has got enormous wings.

1845
01:42:39.659 --> 01:42:41.520
It's wonderful. an angel.

1846
01:42:41.579 --> 01:42:43.619
I just think the iconography is so great.

1847
01:42:43.680 --> 01:42:52.859
But then what happens is this wormhole opens in the surface of the universe. makes the universe too dimensional.

1848
01:42:52.920 --> 01:42:59.520
And so we go sideways and we see that the universe is just a like a piece of paper.

1849
01:42:59.579 --> 01:43:01.079
Look at the ship flat.

1850
01:43:01.140 --> 01:43:02.279
Do you know what I mean?

1851
01:43:02.340 --> 01:43:04.199
So it's another dimension.

1852
01:43:04.260 --> 01:43:07.500
I think it's so imaginative and so different from anything we've ever seen.

1853
01:43:07.739 --> 01:43:11.939
That is what they would have done with the wormhole in DS9 if they could have.

1854
01:43:12.000 --> 01:43:13.199
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

1855
01:43:13.319 --> 01:43:15.000
This I thought was amazing.

1856
01:43:15.060 --> 01:43:19.979
It's such a simple effect is that they've got her standing there and they're literally firing sparks at her.

1857
01:43:20.039 --> 01:43:24.180
Well, I think they do eat slow motion. falling down on top of the camera or something.

1858
01:43:24.239 --> 01:43:25.140
But yeah, yeah, yeah.

1859
01:43:25.199 --> 01:43:25.680
Yeah.

1860
01:43:25.739 --> 01:43:31.380
And every single one that hits her, there's a sound effect, almost like breaking glass.

1861
01:43:31.439 --> 01:43:34.380
So it feels like a dramatic assault.

1862
01:43:34.439 --> 01:43:36.840
Yeah, yeah, it's really great. isn't it?

1863
01:43:36.899 --> 01:43:40.020
Yeah, it's so imaginative, so interesting visually.

1864
01:43:40.199 --> 01:43:42.899
And the music here as well was great.

1865
01:43:42.960 --> 01:43:45.060
I mean, the music's always great.

1866
01:43:45.119 --> 01:43:49.020
It's really good in Kurtzman Trek generally, but on discovery, particularly.

1867
01:43:50.699 --> 01:43:53.220
She's screaming around.

1868
01:43:53.279 --> 01:43:53.699
Yeah, yeah.

1869
01:43:53.760 --> 01:43:54.300
Look at that.

1870
01:43:54.359 --> 01:43:55.079
I can see her feelings.

1871
01:43:55.380 --> 01:43:56.819
Right.

1872
01:43:56.880 --> 01:43:58.079
And where is she emerging to?

1873
01:43:58.140 --> 01:43:59.699
Is she going to Terelysium first?

1874
01:43:59.760 --> 01:44:02.760
Yeah, look at the look of wonder on her face now.

1875
01:44:03.239 --> 01:44:07.020
Ah, that, look at that.

1876
01:44:07.079 --> 01:44:08.760
Just stunning.

1877
01:44:08.819 --> 01:44:13.319
And through that hole and again, you know, the stripes, the whole look of it.

1878
01:44:14.399 --> 01:44:16.020
Incredible.

1879
01:44:16.079 --> 01:44:17.520
It's beautiful.

1880
01:44:17.579 --> 01:44:18.060
Yeah.

1881
01:44:18.119 --> 01:44:20.939
And all done without dialogue.

1882
01:44:21.000 --> 01:44:23.880
You're just expected to figure out what's happening.

1883
01:44:24.420 --> 01:44:29.760
And this is the 1st episode, I think, right?

1884
01:44:29.819 --> 01:44:32.699
I think that this is the 1st episode.

1885
01:44:32.760 --> 01:44:39.840
Um, And she encounters the, so this is the ruins of a spaceship, the Hiawatha.

1886
01:44:39.899 --> 01:44:41.039
Yeah, there it is.

1887
01:44:41.100 --> 01:44:45.060
Um, And she is actually saved.

1888
01:44:45.119 --> 01:44:46.680
We're introduced to Jet Reno.

1889
01:44:46.739 --> 01:44:49.920
She's actually saved by herself.

1890
01:44:51.119 --> 01:44:53.760
I, yeah, do you know what else I was watching?

1891
01:44:53.880 --> 01:44:56.039
I wasn't too sure what was happening in this.

1892
01:44:56.100 --> 01:44:58.319
But all of this relied on your memory.

1893
01:44:58.380 --> 01:44:58.800
Yeah.

1894
01:44:58.859 --> 01:45:01.140
We're going back to previous episodes.

1895
01:45:01.199 --> 01:45:02.100
Watch the season through.

1896
01:45:02.100 --> 01:45:02.520
Exactly.

1897
01:45:02.579 --> 01:45:03.720
Then all this would make sense.

1898
01:45:03.779 --> 01:45:05.520
And it would be great.

1899
01:45:05.579 --> 01:45:06.420
Do you know what I mean?

1900
01:45:06.479 --> 01:45:14.100
Because we were wondering what that was all season, and now we actually see it resolve, and we can see that it's her face.

1901
01:45:14.159 --> 01:45:15.960
We didn't get to see that before.

1902
01:45:16.020 --> 01:45:18.119
And then the scale changes.

1903
01:45:18.180 --> 01:45:20.819
Like she disappears and seems to get smaller to go through the hole.

1904
01:45:20.939 --> 01:45:23.460
The way she goes from place to place.

1905
01:45:23.520 --> 01:45:27.420
It's just that effect of like the lasers in a row coming around.

1906
01:45:27.479 --> 01:45:28.560
It's so simple.

1907
01:45:28.680 --> 01:45:30.180
It's really terrific.

1908
01:45:30.239 --> 01:45:32.279
So now we're on Terrelysium.

1909
01:45:32.279 --> 01:45:35.460
And we had to save these people, remember?

1910
01:45:35.520 --> 01:45:41.819
Like there were a small group of people, like in what looked like earth.

1911
01:45:41.880 --> 01:45:42.840
Do you know what I mean?

1912
01:45:42.899 --> 01:45:46.619
But they're here from the past and it was a, that was an oddball episode.

1913
01:45:46.800 --> 01:45:55.560
And they were brought there by the signal left by the angel, which is what she's doing now.

1914
01:45:55.619 --> 01:45:57.119
So good.

1915
01:45:57.359 --> 01:45:59.279
We...

1916
01:45:59.520 --> 01:46:05.760
So if I went back and watched the entirety of season two, everything I've just seen in the last couple of minutes there.

1917
01:46:05.760 --> 01:46:07.979
I see in various episodes.

1918
01:46:08.039 --> 01:46:10.380
That's the crumbs that led them here.

1919
01:46:10.439 --> 01:46:10.800
Okay.

1920
01:46:10.859 --> 01:46:11.399
Yeah.

1921
01:46:11.460 --> 01:46:14.640
But you are right, though, out of context.

1922
01:46:14.699 --> 01:46:16.739
It is it's baffling. baffling.

1923
01:46:16.800 --> 01:46:17.399
Yeah.

1924
01:46:17.460 --> 01:46:17.880
Yeah.

1925
01:46:17.880 --> 01:46:19.739
I had enough memory.

1926
01:46:19.739 --> 01:46:21.720
You're not really supposed to watch this out of context.

1927
01:46:21.779 --> 01:46:23.100
No, you're so soft all of this.

1928
01:46:23.159 --> 01:46:25.260
It's a streaming show where you watch.

1929
01:46:25.319 --> 01:46:26.100
That's right.

1930
01:46:26.159 --> 01:46:27.539
Yeah, that's absolutely it.

1931
01:46:27.600 --> 01:46:31.680
And I think TV's more on the premise of our podcast.

1932
01:46:31.680 --> 01:46:33.180
The hampers us here.

1933
01:46:33.239 --> 01:46:42.000
It is that we're doing it randomly and that works very well when it's syndicated because that's how it's designed to be watched, but this is not designed.

1934
01:46:42.060 --> 01:46:44.520
The game didn't require anything.

1935
01:46:44.579 --> 01:46:46.260
Could have been any episode.

1936
01:46:46.979 --> 01:46:50.100
Oh, could we go back to your show, please?

1937
01:46:50.159 --> 01:46:51.779
Yeah, what's telling though?

1938
01:46:51.840 --> 01:46:53.039
My God, please.

1939
01:46:53.039 --> 01:46:55.020
Rocks flying across the floor.

1940
01:46:56.460 --> 01:46:58.859
Oh, the gravity is failing.

1941
01:46:58.920 --> 01:46:59.399
That's why.

1942
01:46:59.699 --> 01:47:01.439
This is amazing.

1943
01:47:01.500 --> 01:47:02.520
So look at the rocks.

1944
01:47:02.699 --> 01:47:08.460
The rocks all hit the side and now Giorgio is crawling up the walls.

1945
01:47:08.520 --> 01:47:09.899
Karate Kid.

1946
01:47:10.319 --> 01:47:15.720
What's clearly happening is that this bit of corridor is on gimbals?

1947
01:47:15.840 --> 01:47:20.399
and is rotating around and the camera is fixed.

1948
01:47:20.460 --> 01:47:22.800
Isn't it happening on the roof?

1949
01:47:22.859 --> 01:47:25.319
That's higher than right there. falling down.

1950
01:47:25.380 --> 01:47:27.479
I just thought it was just clever camera work.

1951
01:47:27.539 --> 01:47:30.539
No, no, they're very clearly that that's turning around.

1952
01:47:30.600 --> 01:47:32.819
It's why it's all shot in that corridor.

1953
01:47:32.880 --> 01:47:36.479
The corridor is literally turning around, but the camera's turning with us.

1954
01:47:36.539 --> 01:47:37.319
That's amazing.

1955
01:47:37.319 --> 01:47:40.020
It looks incredible. amazing.

1956
01:47:40.079 --> 01:47:40.739
Oh, man.

1957
01:47:40.800 --> 01:47:43.680
I just can't get over these moving rocks I'm so sorry.

1958
01:47:44.279 --> 01:47:48.600
Never mind the actual choreography of the fire. isn't it?

1959
01:47:48.659 --> 01:47:51.659
Oh, she's so fucking cool.

1960
01:47:51.720 --> 01:47:53.460
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1961
01:47:53.520 --> 01:47:54.420
Amazing.

1962
01:47:54.479 --> 01:47:55.079
Look at her.

1963
01:47:55.140 --> 01:47:57.000
She's going up against...

1964
01:47:57.060 --> 01:47:58.619
He's technically a robot, isn't he?

1965
01:47:58.680 --> 01:48:00.000
Nanobots, whatever you want to call it.

1966
01:48:00.060 --> 01:48:01.020
She's full of little robots.

1967
01:48:01.079 --> 01:48:03.119
She's not a match for him.

1968
01:48:03.180 --> 01:48:03.720
Yeah.

1969
01:48:03.779 --> 01:48:06.479
Although she's getting the shit beaten out of it right now.

1970
01:48:06.539 --> 01:48:12.600
Just the fact that they found a way of making the rocks fly. wonderful, isn't it?

1971
01:48:12.899 --> 01:48:14.819
Oh, look at his face.

1972
01:48:14.819 --> 01:48:16.380
Yeah, shot him in the face.

1973
01:48:16.439 --> 01:48:17.520
Good for her.

1974
01:48:18.539 --> 01:48:22.140
Get to engineering, I magnetise the bitch.

1975
01:48:22.979 --> 01:48:25.380
Oh, look at these fixing it.

1976
01:48:25.439 --> 01:48:26.039
That's great.

1977
01:48:26.159 --> 01:48:27.600
He's really good.

1978
01:48:27.720 --> 01:48:29.460
And back to her.

1979
01:48:29.520 --> 01:48:32.699
She's going to Camenada set the next signal.

1980
01:48:32.760 --> 01:48:35.760
When does Giorgio leave the show?

1981
01:48:35.880 --> 01:48:36.960
Is it four or three?

1982
01:48:37.079 --> 01:48:39.960
Um, halfway through three?

1983
01:48:40.560 --> 01:48:44.399
in... four?

1984
01:48:44.460 --> 01:48:45.359
I can't remember actually.

1985
01:48:45.420 --> 01:48:48.300
Is it because Michelle Yeo has some Oscars to win?

1986
01:48:48.359 --> 01:48:48.840
Yeah, yeah.

1987
01:48:48.899 --> 01:48:50.579
So it's a beer universe thing.

1988
01:48:50.640 --> 01:49:00.720
It's the guy and the Guardian of Forever takes her to the Mirror of Universe and we see the Guardian of Forever, you know, but in in sort of weird modern Star Trek.

1989
01:49:00.840 --> 01:49:01.380
Look at that.

1990
01:49:01.680 --> 01:49:03.899
Yeah, it's pretty good.

1991
01:49:03.960 --> 01:49:06.180
It's a 2 part, it's a sort of weird 2 partner.

1992
01:49:06.300 --> 01:49:08.699
Was it because she had movies?

1993
01:49:08.760 --> 01:49:09.420
Yeah, yeah.

1994
01:49:09.479 --> 01:49:09.840
Yeah.

1995
01:49:09.899 --> 01:49:12.420
Yeah, we were lucky to have her as long as we did.

1996
01:49:12.479 --> 01:49:18.539
No, we were, and she just became huge, and it was crazy rich Asians, and then obviously everything everywhere all at once.

1997
01:49:18.779 --> 01:49:20.520
I mean, she's always done movies.

1998
01:49:20.579 --> 01:49:22.199
She's a bond girl, as you know.

1999
01:49:22.560 --> 01:49:25.859
I mean, the casting on this is great.

2000
01:49:25.920 --> 01:49:30.539
But man, that was some prestige casting, brilliant, Michelle, yeah.

2001
01:49:30.600 --> 01:49:37.800
Well, that incredible opening scene of Star Trek Discovery, where it's 2 women of colour...

2002
01:49:37.920 --> 01:49:43.979
On the desert planet, just talking about their relationship and stuff and saying this is what we're doing in Star Trek going forward.

2003
01:49:44.159 --> 01:49:48.960
I can remember watching that. and being so upset when they killed her off.

2004
01:49:49.020 --> 01:49:50.100
Yeah, yeah.

2005
01:49:50.159 --> 01:49:51.539
Pretty good, isn't it?

2006
01:49:51.600 --> 01:49:53.039
Little did I know.

2007
01:49:53.100 --> 01:49:54.119
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

2008
01:49:54.180 --> 01:49:56.699
All right, now we're saying goodbye to Admiral Katrina.

2009
01:49:56.760 --> 01:49:58.439
She's still alive.

2010
01:49:58.439 --> 01:50:01.380
She's about to, they're about to blow her up.

2011
01:50:01.439 --> 01:50:04.319
Will you die already, Apple?

2012
01:50:04.380 --> 01:50:05.579
I loved her, though.

2013
01:50:05.640 --> 01:50:06.180
She was great.

2014
01:50:06.239 --> 01:50:10.800
It was nice having an older woman and a nice admiral who we liked, you know.

2015
01:50:10.859 --> 01:50:12.899
The best admiral's still in a chair, though.

2016
01:50:12.960 --> 01:50:13.979
She is pretty great.

2017
01:50:14.039 --> 01:50:16.500
Anyone that could emasculate Picard that much.

2018
01:50:16.560 --> 01:50:18.119
Katrina is pretty good as well.

2019
01:50:18.359 --> 01:50:21.000
Look, this is just going out.

2020
01:50:21.060 --> 01:50:22.500
It crazy, isn't it?

2021
01:50:22.800 --> 01:50:24.479
Klingon chips.

2022
01:50:25.260 --> 01:50:27.539
I thought my chocolate shit would be bloodless.

2023
01:50:28.680 --> 01:50:31.920
Oh, now they're all talking in Klingonese.

2024
01:50:31.979 --> 01:50:33.180
That's what we want.

2025
01:50:33.239 --> 01:50:33.779
Yep.

2026
01:50:33.840 --> 01:50:35.039
No, it's not.

2027
01:50:35.100 --> 01:50:36.659
I wanted to hear.

2028
01:50:36.720 --> 01:50:42.779
I wanted to hear I did want to hear him speak in Klingon.

2029
01:50:42.840 --> 01:50:46.680
I wanted to hear Shazad speaking Klingon just one last time, I think.

2030
01:50:46.680 --> 01:50:48.420
I'll tell you what up over me.

2031
01:50:48.420 --> 01:50:49.380
Very quickly.

2032
01:50:49.380 --> 01:50:52.619
Was because I would just that was the 1st scene, wasn't it?

2033
01:50:52.680 --> 01:50:55.079
Was the Klingon talking in all that Klingonese.

2034
01:50:55.140 --> 01:51:02.039
I could just imagine a non-Star Trek or a non-science fiction fan switching on and going, no, and just turning it off.

2035
01:51:02.100 --> 01:51:03.539
It is a pretty great.

2036
01:51:03.600 --> 01:51:09.960
But again, it's less long than you think and remember that speech does end with English where he says...

2037
01:51:10.079 --> 01:51:11.159
It all feels long to me.

2038
01:51:11.220 --> 01:51:17.640
And lie, we come in peace and he says it in English because it's what the Federation say.

2039
01:51:17.640 --> 01:51:27.720
And I thought it was really good, you know, to see a proper alien, hostile alien kind of feeling about what the Federation is to start the episode off to see it from the outside.

2040
01:51:27.779 --> 01:51:30.539
Yeah, I must watch that 1st series again.

2041
01:51:30.600 --> 01:51:34.739
I must go back and have a look So Michael's now back.

2042
01:51:34.800 --> 01:51:37.500
She's back from setting up series two.

2043
01:51:39.119 --> 01:51:41.039
Thank you, Michael.

2044
01:51:41.100 --> 01:51:44.699
We've ticked all the boxes and we said our goodbyes.

2045
01:51:44.760 --> 01:51:45.659
We can now go to the future.

2046
01:51:45.720 --> 01:51:47.279
Now we're going to the future.

2047
01:51:47.340 --> 01:51:52.500
So we're setting, we tear Elysium 930 years into the future.

2048
01:51:52.800 --> 01:51:58.800
So was the red herring then that we thought that the signals was her mother?

2049
01:51:58.859 --> 01:51:59.939
Okay.

2050
01:51:59.939 --> 01:52:01.800
But she was nothing in the end.

2051
01:52:01.859 --> 01:52:12.539
But her mother was trying to say, like, you know, obviously gets the thing here, but she's trying to fix it and can't from where she is.

2052
01:52:12.600 --> 01:52:15.479
So it's a thing.

2053
01:52:15.539 --> 01:52:20.039
So she sets the 6th signal to help them find their way through.

2054
01:52:20.100 --> 01:52:30.060
And then there's a 7th signal yet to be left behind and she will talk about it in that long interminable conversation with Spock that's about to come.

2055
01:52:30.359 --> 01:52:39.539
Yeah, I mean, I had to I mean, to be fair, I've had more than enough action, so I'll give them, you know, one of these. been a lot of action, isn't it?

2056
01:52:39.539 --> 01:52:40.199
It's pretty terrible.

2057
01:52:40.260 --> 01:52:42.840
Oh, this is the best stuff, though.

2058
01:52:42.960 --> 01:52:45.060
Michelle being choked.

2059
01:52:45.119 --> 01:52:47.760
She's covered in blood Kick him in the head.

2060
01:52:47.819 --> 01:52:49.500
Kick him in the head, Michelle.

2061
01:52:49.560 --> 01:52:50.939
Is it the head or is it the nuts?

2062
01:52:51.000 --> 01:52:52.199
I can't remember.

2063
01:52:52.680 --> 01:52:55.859
He hasn't got nuts, really. nanobots.

2064
01:52:55.920 --> 01:52:57.300
Well, they're full of nanobots.

2065
01:52:57.359 --> 01:53:00.720
They're still there, but they're swarming with nanobots.

2066
01:53:00.779 --> 01:53:01.680
That's it.

2067
01:53:01.739 --> 01:53:02.340
Go on, girl.

2068
01:53:02.399 --> 01:53:03.300
Right.

2069
01:53:03.359 --> 01:53:04.859
He's trap.

2070
01:53:06.119 --> 01:53:08.399
I was really great.

2071
01:53:08.460 --> 01:53:10.319
He goes, you really think you can keep me in here?

2072
01:53:10.380 --> 01:53:13.020
He starts smashing the windows and you're thinking...

2073
01:53:13.020 --> 01:53:16.020
It's really properly missing. is kind of scary, isn't he?

2074
01:53:16.079 --> 01:53:17.640
Like he's physically intimidating.

2075
01:53:17.699 --> 01:53:20.699
Yeah, do you think this cage will hold me?

2076
01:53:20.760 --> 01:53:21.119
Look at him.

2077
01:53:21.180 --> 01:53:23.460
He looks right.

2078
01:53:23.579 --> 01:53:25.140
It's amazing doesn't it?

2079
01:53:25.619 --> 01:53:28.680
a look of complete glee on her face. so happy.

2080
01:53:28.739 --> 01:53:29.340
That's it.

2081
01:53:29.399 --> 01:53:31.260
That's why we need her.

2082
01:53:31.319 --> 01:53:33.239
I want to hear you scream.

2083
01:53:35.039 --> 01:53:36.779
It's great.

2084
01:53:36.840 --> 01:53:38.880
So why does she decide?

2085
01:53:38.880 --> 01:53:40.260
She has to stay behind.

2086
01:53:40.319 --> 01:53:43.680
I can't really remember 90 seconds. still alive.

2087
01:53:43.739 --> 01:53:45.359
Yeah, but this is her last scene.

2088
01:53:45.420 --> 01:53:46.439
She'll go.

2089
01:53:46.500 --> 01:53:47.399
Oh, thank goodness.

2090
01:53:47.939 --> 01:53:49.619
That was it.

2091
01:53:49.680 --> 01:53:56.399
She spotted the, that was how that last scene ended with her spotting the control for the emergency bulkhead release or whatever.

2092
01:53:57.300 --> 01:53:59.760
I've been watching it count up.

2093
01:53:59.880 --> 01:54:03.300
We couldn't go without one last sacrifice, could we?

2094
01:54:03.359 --> 01:54:04.199
Yeah, I think so.

2095
01:54:04.260 --> 01:54:06.119
And that's quite good, I think.

2096
01:54:06.420 --> 01:54:11.279
And look, this isn't where your story ends. and I think you know that.

2097
01:54:11.340 --> 01:54:17.819
And he knows that, of course, because he's seen the time Crystal on Borath tell him where his story really ends.

2098
01:54:17.819 --> 01:54:26.279
And now he's saying, oh, well, if my story really ends there, then I could just stay here and it can't possibly go off because I know where my story ends.

2099
01:54:26.340 --> 01:54:27.600
But it doesn't matter.

2100
01:54:27.720 --> 01:54:29.880
I mean that has a great sort of logic to it.

2101
01:54:30.359 --> 01:54:33.359
Yeah, that's pretty good, isn't it?

2102
01:54:33.420 --> 01:54:36.119
Whatever your path may be, you can handle it.

2103
01:54:36.239 --> 01:54:45.479
Thank you, thank you. find a way to keep her on in series 2 where she was very definitely associated with Lorca but she does have a relationship of some kind with Chris here.

2104
01:54:45.539 --> 01:54:47.579
Yeah, there we go.

2105
01:54:47.640 --> 01:54:49.199
Good old Katrina.

2106
01:54:49.260 --> 01:54:52.079
Obviously, they're not taking her into the future with them.

2107
01:54:52.140 --> 01:54:52.439
No.

2108
01:54:52.439 --> 01:54:53.579
Yeah.

2109
01:54:53.640 --> 01:54:59.220
Go on, Captain Pike. fabulous series to get to. but he doesn't know that yet.

2110
01:54:59.279 --> 01:55:03.479
At the moment, he's just going to be in the pilot of Star Trek.

2111
01:55:03.539 --> 01:55:05.579
He's, um...

2112
01:55:05.579 --> 01:55:09.420
He's on the planet, isn't he, in the 1st episode of Strange New Wales?

2113
01:55:09.479 --> 01:55:10.439
He's sort of retired.

2114
01:55:10.500 --> 01:55:20.699
Yeah, because he's been to Borath and he's discovered what he's that's why he doesn't want to go back because he knows how he's going to die and that's him reacting to that.

2115
01:55:20.760 --> 01:55:25.199
So, uh, Everybody go and listen to that on Title Star Trek episode.

2116
01:55:25.260 --> 01:55:27.239
We had a wonderful time discussing that.

2117
01:55:27.300 --> 01:55:31.260
There is another link between this and that episode.

2118
01:55:31.319 --> 01:55:39.600
So that 1st episode of Strange New Worlds is called Strange New Worlds. and we watched it when it was the only episode of Strange New Worlds available.

2119
01:55:39.659 --> 01:55:49.319
And it is a pretty incredible episode, but we'll talk about the image that appears because there is a flashback to this episode at the beginning of Strange New World.

2120
01:55:49.380 --> 01:55:51.539
You know what's funny, right?

2121
01:55:51.600 --> 01:55:56.699
Obviously, Detma and Owo were just brought in to be sort of bridge crew members.

2122
01:55:56.819 --> 01:55:58.619
They do all the exposition and action bits.

2123
01:55:58.680 --> 01:55:59.039
Yeah.

2124
01:55:59.100 --> 01:56:02.579
But as time goes on, we do get more time with them, don't we?

2125
01:56:02.640 --> 01:56:04.439
And we learn a bit more about them.

2126
01:56:04.500 --> 01:56:08.340
They get minor character arcs, but enough, yeah?

2127
01:56:08.399 --> 01:56:13.800
But they still get more than actual regulars in Enterprise, Hoshi and Mayweather.

2128
01:56:13.859 --> 01:56:15.239
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

2129
01:56:15.300 --> 01:56:19.979
Yeah, even the characters designed as minor characters in Discovery get more.

2130
01:56:20.100 --> 01:56:29.640
Like, I think that there's a tension between the way that discovery is set up where the main character is Michael and then the other characters are Stammets and Tilly and stuff and they're not particularly important.

2131
01:56:29.699 --> 01:56:35.340
They're not the bridge crew and they're not the people who meet in the observation lounge to discuss this week's space problem.

2132
01:56:35.399 --> 01:56:40.680
And eventually we move sort of closer to that idea of the show.

2133
01:56:40.739 --> 01:56:44.579
By four, it was going very much. in that direction.

2134
01:56:44.640 --> 01:56:48.359
What it does do is it gives us the impression that are a lot of people on the ship.

2135
01:56:48.420 --> 01:56:53.279
It's not like Voyager where sometimes you kind of feel there's 8 people here and that's all.

2136
01:56:54.060 --> 01:56:57.960
And so this is their big tearful goodbye.

2137
01:56:58.020 --> 01:57:04.560
And in a way, he's old Trek, and she's new Trek, and even the way it looks, do you know what I mean?

2138
01:57:04.619 --> 01:57:07.979
Where he's soft lighting, he's got a beard, he's a white man.

2139
01:57:08.039 --> 01:57:12.720
She's the weird blue science fiction lighting, and she's a beautiful black woman.

2140
01:57:12.779 --> 01:57:16.319
Like, it's, it's separating.

2141
01:57:16.380 --> 01:57:17.279
Do you know what I mean?

2142
01:57:17.340 --> 01:57:21.000
She's leaving behind this version of Star Trek.

2143
01:57:21.960 --> 01:57:23.579
Thank God.

2144
01:57:23.579 --> 01:57:25.859
To do something magical.

2145
01:57:26.579 --> 01:57:29.340
I'll never find it again without you.

2146
01:57:29.399 --> 01:57:31.920
There's a whole galaxy out there.

2147
01:57:31.979 --> 01:57:32.640
Oh, please.

2148
01:57:32.699 --> 01:57:34.920
What's her last advice?

2149
01:57:35.399 --> 01:57:38.100
You just go into the future already.

2150
01:57:38.159 --> 01:57:38.939
Yeah.

2151
01:57:39.000 --> 01:57:40.439
Yeah.

2152
01:57:40.500 --> 01:57:43.619
And so she's making you tear up watching this.

2153
01:57:43.680 --> 01:57:44.579
Yeah, a bit.

2154
01:57:44.640 --> 01:57:46.020
She's not now.

2155
01:57:46.079 --> 01:57:50.279
She's she's making she's creating Spock, isn't she in this moment?

2156
01:57:50.340 --> 01:57:58.020
Like she's sort of saying you withdraw from people, you don't let people touch, you let the, and she's saying, do that.

2157
01:57:58.079 --> 01:58:03.779
She's saying, go and find someone, you know, and it will eventually be Kirk.

2158
01:58:03.840 --> 01:58:05.159
Oh sweetheart.

2159
01:58:05.220 --> 01:58:06.000
Reach for them.

2160
01:58:06.060 --> 01:58:07.500
Let them go at you.

2161
01:58:07.560 --> 01:58:09.539
It's all too expensive too much.

2162
01:58:09.600 --> 01:58:10.319
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

2163
01:58:10.380 --> 01:58:11.699
Again, it's no subject.

2164
01:58:11.760 --> 01:58:12.779
That first.

2165
01:58:12.840 --> 01:58:13.859
Do you remember that 1st goodbye?

2166
01:58:13.920 --> 01:58:14.460
The hands.

2167
01:58:14.520 --> 01:58:15.659
It was great.

2168
01:58:15.720 --> 01:58:20.100
But again, you know, they want to give everything a proper sendoff and they want to do some writing.

2169
01:58:20.159 --> 01:58:22.260
It is a little bit too obvious.

2170
01:58:22.319 --> 01:58:28.319
Maybe, okay, maybe that is the problem here then, is that they fill the knee. got to take everything off.

2171
01:58:28.380 --> 01:58:31.260
They're hampered by the fact this is the original series.

2172
01:58:31.319 --> 01:58:33.899
They have to get these characters where they need to be, you know?

2173
01:58:33.960 --> 01:58:34.979
Yeah.

2174
01:58:34.979 --> 01:58:38.520
Yeah, mind you, I think the end is really great.

2175
01:58:38.579 --> 01:58:45.060
Now we're back in the cage with and the camera's rolling around for some reason.

2176
01:58:45.180 --> 01:58:49.859
What happens when a man made completely out of nanobots?

2177
01:58:49.859 --> 01:58:50.819
It's just a lot of ties.

2178
01:58:50.880 --> 01:58:54.899
I've seen him, but yes, all of the... what happens when they're magnetised?

2179
01:58:55.020 --> 01:58:59.460
They fall to the ground through him and like leave him like Swiss cheese, don't they?

2180
01:59:03.600 --> 01:59:05.579
That's so great.

2181
01:59:05.640 --> 01:59:06.960
He looks so scary.

2182
01:59:07.020 --> 01:59:08.100
He's fabulous.

2183
01:59:08.159 --> 01:59:09.000
Oh, she does.

2184
01:59:09.060 --> 01:59:09.840
What do you mean him?

2185
01:59:09.899 --> 01:59:11.340
I think he looks scary.

2186
01:59:11.399 --> 01:59:12.720
He's physically really intimidating.

2187
01:59:12.899 --> 01:59:15.600
She's finally came to hurt somebody.

2188
01:59:15.720 --> 01:59:16.859
It's a natural way.

2189
01:59:16.920 --> 01:59:17.520
That's right.

2190
01:59:17.579 --> 01:59:18.420
He's no match for her.

2191
01:59:18.840 --> 01:59:23.760
She's been stuck around these Sakarine idiots for ages wanting to hurt her somewhere.

2192
01:59:24.060 --> 01:59:27.180
Look at the lights in the red things.

2193
01:59:27.239 --> 01:59:31.680
You know, those red railings that are all over the enterprise, but they put red lights in them.

2194
01:59:31.739 --> 01:59:32.460
It's so great.

2195
01:59:32.520 --> 01:59:34.260
Yeah, so who's boxing?

2196
01:59:34.260 --> 01:59:35.220
What transport you out?

2197
01:59:35.279 --> 01:59:36.539
Yeah, yeah.

2198
01:59:36.600 --> 01:59:37.979
We need you for the series.

2199
01:59:38.039 --> 01:59:39.060
Yeah, yeah.

2200
01:59:39.119 --> 01:59:47.520
But I did think that that was good because we all knew that he wasn't going to go with them, you know, and so it adds some weird tension to how this is going to play out.

2201
01:59:47.579 --> 01:59:50.699
You know, it's not gonna turn out the way that they hoped it would.

2202
01:59:51.119 --> 01:59:52.920
Till he's doing a thing.

2203
01:59:53.579 --> 01:59:58.199
Okay, the modern day O'Brien there with Tilly in that combined space.

2204
01:59:58.260 --> 02:00:02.939
And then she just said somebody owes me a beer, which I thought was pretty great.

2205
02:00:03.000 --> 02:00:04.619
That's what I mean.

2206
02:00:04.680 --> 02:00:06.180
The old loin, you know?

2207
02:00:06.239 --> 02:00:07.140
you're like, yes.

2208
02:00:07.199 --> 02:00:08.399
Something to grab hold of.

2209
02:00:08.460 --> 02:00:11.159
And it's Tilly, which is kind of what Tilly's for.

2210
02:00:11.220 --> 02:00:11.939
I think.

2211
02:00:12.000 --> 02:00:13.380
Is this scene still going on?

2212
02:00:13.439 --> 02:00:14.039
There he goes.

2213
02:00:14.100 --> 02:00:20.520
I was, I do think when she left, that was another, I know there were reasons, but that was another mistake.

2214
02:00:20.579 --> 02:00:21.479
It was sad.

2215
02:00:21.479 --> 02:00:23.520
Losing your show, losing Tilly.

2216
02:00:23.579 --> 02:00:24.300
Yeah.

2217
02:00:24.300 --> 02:00:28.380
She, they only half loser and she is completely back for series five.

2218
02:00:28.439 --> 02:00:32.460
So she's just missing for a bit of series four, essentially.

2219
02:00:32.520 --> 02:00:39.779
And apparently she is back a bit in Starfleet Academy, which is set after Discovery.

2220
02:00:40.199 --> 02:00:41.819
Here we go.

2221
02:00:41.880 --> 02:00:43.260
Are we going into the future now?

2222
02:00:43.319 --> 02:00:44.819
Yeah, I think we might be.

2223
02:00:45.239 --> 02:00:47.579
I think we might be.

2224
02:00:47.640 --> 02:00:49.439
How far are we from the end of the end?

2225
02:00:49.560 --> 02:00:51.000
Great angels leading the way.

2226
02:00:51.060 --> 02:00:54.000
We're still 13 minutes from the end of the episode. doesn't it look great?

2227
02:00:54.060 --> 02:00:55.260
It just looks so nice.

2228
02:00:55.319 --> 02:01:00.720
Well, we saw tie up the episode with all the, uh, the strange briefing stuff. which I think is really good.

2229
02:01:00.779 --> 02:01:01.979
It is pretty great.

2230
02:01:02.039 --> 02:01:02.699
That's it.

2231
02:01:02.699 --> 02:01:12.060
There's one last chance as they go into the future, everyone sort of, once again, staring off Cameron longingly as they get into the future.

2232
02:01:12.359 --> 02:01:17.819
So it's this shot here, which I think is absolutely iconic.

2233
02:01:17.880 --> 02:01:25.680
So she's flying up into the whatever the wormhole she's created and it's not this shot.

2234
02:01:25.739 --> 02:01:27.180
It's just about to come.

2235
02:01:28.260 --> 02:01:47.579
It's discovery going up into the future and Chris sees it out of the front window of the enterprise and then we see it and that image is what creates the problem on the planet in the 1st episode.

2236
02:01:47.640 --> 02:01:52.319
So they see it and it violates the prime directive in some way.

2237
02:01:52.319 --> 02:01:56.520
They get the idea for a warp bomb, remember?

2238
02:01:56.579 --> 02:02:02.939
And that's what causes the intervention in in that 1st episode, but...

2239
02:02:03.060 --> 02:02:12.960
It's that visual image of of, of, and I think, I don't think we've seen the last of it, discovery going up. you know, in profile going up into that space thing.

2240
02:02:13.020 --> 02:02:15.779
It's such a great iconic shot.

2241
02:02:15.899 --> 02:02:17.760
I like to hear you scream now.

2242
02:02:17.819 --> 02:02:24.300
However, I could have done without Pike saying, goodbye, my family.

2243
02:02:25.979 --> 02:02:28.140
I can't resist it.

2244
02:02:28.140 --> 02:02:30.539
But look at this.

2245
02:02:30.600 --> 02:02:34.680
This is my Hellraiser now. its face falls apart.

2246
02:02:34.739 --> 02:02:35.220
Yeah.

2247
02:02:35.220 --> 02:02:36.600
Look at those manabols.

2248
02:02:36.659 --> 02:02:37.439
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

2249
02:02:37.500 --> 02:02:38.699
They look really good, don't they?

2250
02:02:38.760 --> 02:02:43.979
And it's like his eyes are gone or something like his old face is made. like he's covered in ants.

2251
02:02:44.039 --> 02:02:45.300
It's terrifying.

2252
02:02:45.359 --> 02:02:47.039
Yeah, it looks really good, doesn't it?

2253
02:02:47.100 --> 02:02:47.760
It looks amazing.

2254
02:02:47.819 --> 02:02:49.199
Just great.

2255
02:02:49.260 --> 02:02:50.819
Here we go now.

2256
02:02:50.880 --> 02:02:52.380
Sucks into a wormhole.

2257
02:02:52.380 --> 02:02:53.039
Still coming?

2258
02:02:53.100 --> 02:02:54.119
That shot there.

2259
02:02:54.180 --> 02:02:54.779
Look at that.

2260
02:02:55.859 --> 02:02:58.739
It's a it just looks incredible.

2261
02:03:00.000 --> 02:03:03.300
Oh, they've all stopped because Leland's dead.

2262
02:03:03.359 --> 02:03:08.819
It's one of those things where Leland's actually the only person on the ship. you know what I mean?

2263
02:03:08.880 --> 02:03:13.380
And it's once you kill the boss vampire, then all the other vampires disappear, so control's gone.

2264
02:03:13.439 --> 02:03:15.899
And so none of those things are firing.

2265
02:03:15.960 --> 02:03:17.159
Oh, go.

2266
02:03:17.220 --> 02:03:18.840
Their P gets to say goodbye.

2267
02:03:18.899 --> 02:03:19.800
I actually like that.

2268
02:03:19.859 --> 02:03:20.399
That's cool.

2269
02:03:20.460 --> 02:03:25.140
And we get to see Saru's sister, seeing them leave.

2270
02:03:26.340 --> 02:03:26.699
Fair enough.

2271
02:03:26.760 --> 02:03:27.960
He's not going to see her again.

2272
02:03:28.020 --> 02:03:29.039
You can have that one.

2273
02:03:29.159 --> 02:03:29.760
That's pretty good.

2274
02:03:29.819 --> 02:03:32.760
Oh, you're thinking back to the kiss.

2275
02:03:32.819 --> 02:03:34.560
Yeah, well, you would.

2276
02:03:34.979 --> 02:03:40.260
Did you see Mary looking at him like Mary looks sidelong and he was just like...

2277
02:03:40.260 --> 02:03:42.720
What are you thinking about?

2278
02:03:44.579 --> 02:03:47.100
Oh boy, no, come on.

2279
02:03:47.159 --> 02:03:49.140
I don't need to see the kids touching hands.

2280
02:03:49.260 --> 02:03:50.579
Too much.

2281
02:03:50.640 --> 02:03:52.079
That's so cute.

2282
02:03:52.140 --> 02:03:53.220
They were cute.

2283
02:03:53.279 --> 02:03:54.300
I'm glad we saw it.

2284
02:03:54.359 --> 02:03:56.039
It is literally like the writer's a gun.

2285
02:03:56.159 --> 02:03:57.239
Tick, tick, tick.

2286
02:03:57.300 --> 02:03:58.199
We covered it all.

2287
02:03:58.319 --> 02:03:59.819
We're ready for the future.

2288
02:04:01.260 --> 02:04:03.899
Oh, look at the state of that bridge.

2289
02:04:05.399 --> 02:04:08.399
Those dots have got some cleaning up to do.

2290
02:04:08.460 --> 02:04:11.279
The lights like sparks, everything.

2291
02:04:11.340 --> 02:04:12.420
Oh, here we go.

2292
02:04:12.479 --> 02:04:15.600
Oh, my God, here we go, into the wormhole. into the sink, down the street.

2293
02:04:15.600 --> 02:04:17.039
Lead the way, Michael Burnham.

2294
02:04:17.159 --> 02:04:18.420
Does that look good?

2295
02:04:18.479 --> 02:04:20.279
The red angel that you are.

2296
02:04:20.340 --> 02:04:21.659
Yeah, wow.

2297
02:04:21.779 --> 02:04:23.039
Oh, here we go.

2298
02:04:23.100 --> 02:04:26.699
Now, this effect, it does look a bit like the affecting Star Trek 4.

2299
02:04:26.939 --> 02:04:29.340
When they go into the past.

2300
02:04:29.399 --> 02:04:30.420
Doesn't it?

2301
02:04:30.420 --> 02:04:34.859
You're looking at their faces, like, their faces being torn to the side.

2302
02:04:34.859 --> 02:04:36.899
They're almost certainly deliberate. you think?

2303
02:04:37.439 --> 02:04:43.260
Well, why then don't we see bizarre, strange white busts of them coming at the camera?

2304
02:04:45.060 --> 02:04:47.039
That would have been great.

2305
02:04:47.520 --> 02:04:50.220
Look how many rocks are on the floor.

2306
02:04:50.340 --> 02:04:51.720
I keep going on about the rock.

2307
02:04:52.380 --> 02:04:54.300
I think you got it.

2308
02:04:54.359 --> 02:04:58.079
I think you got it from Saru there, and we won't see them again for the end of the episode.

2309
02:04:58.140 --> 02:05:01.500
That's them gone We did see we did see Sarud.

2310
02:05:01.560 --> 02:05:03.840
Look at all the garbage that's left behind from the battle.

2311
02:05:03.899 --> 02:05:08.399
Um, we're also really looking wonder at the future.

2312
02:05:08.460 --> 02:05:09.960
Do you know what I mean?

2313
02:05:10.020 --> 02:05:10.859
Enterprise.

2314
02:05:10.859 --> 02:05:13.500
Yeah, it's not looking good.

2315
02:05:13.560 --> 02:05:16.260
Oh, the front of it exploded because of the torpedo.

2316
02:05:16.319 --> 02:05:17.039
Oh, fuck.

2317
02:05:17.100 --> 02:05:17.579
Look at that.

2318
02:05:17.640 --> 02:05:20.579
Now, see, they would have done this in 90s trek if they could have done.

2319
02:05:20.640 --> 02:05:24.899
These gorgeous panoramic cities with the Golden Gate Bridge there.

2320
02:05:24.960 --> 02:05:25.859
Yeah, yeah.

2321
02:05:25.920 --> 02:05:33.180
Now, so the Golden Gate Bridge, obviously you don't need a bridge now because everything flies and Mariner makes that point in lower decks.

2322
02:05:33.239 --> 02:05:34.500
I hate the bridge.

2323
02:05:34.560 --> 02:05:35.640
Just hope we know where we are.

2324
02:05:35.699 --> 02:05:39.300
But did you see that the surface of it is covered in solar panels?

2325
02:05:39.359 --> 02:05:41.220
Like, it's not a road?

2326
02:05:43.260 --> 02:05:46.199
It's powering the city, all right?

2327
02:05:46.260 --> 02:05:46.800
Yeah.

2328
02:05:48.659 --> 02:05:58.319
And so this debrief, which is done very strangely with them kind of flicking in and out, you know, like, um, it went boom.

2329
02:05:58.380 --> 02:05:59.760
That's what she says.

2330
02:05:59.819 --> 02:06:06.060
And again, this is sort of like, you know, uh, uh, yeah.

2331
02:06:06.119 --> 02:06:13.920
It is a little bit, I think, of a too much kind of whining stuff up, don't you think?

2332
02:06:13.979 --> 02:06:18.180
Like, yes, we'll never speak of this again.

2333
02:06:18.239 --> 02:06:25.319
I really like, like I really like the fact that we leave discovery behind and we have no idea what's happened to them.

2334
02:06:25.380 --> 02:06:31.199
That's great. ever a mention of discovery in Strange New Worlds.

2335
02:06:31.260 --> 02:06:32.100
Ever.

2336
02:06:32.399 --> 02:06:51.180
Yes, because Pike, well, because in that 1st episode, in that 1st episode where they say, you know, the planet, they saw the ship going up into the wormhole thing and that gave them the idea of the bomb.

2337
02:06:51.239 --> 02:06:52.739
But I think it may happen again.

2338
02:06:52.800 --> 02:06:55.560
I think maybe Spock talks about his sister or something.

2339
02:06:55.619 --> 02:06:56.279
I am not quite sure.

2340
02:06:56.340 --> 02:07:04.020
But the idea is that the reason that it's never mentioned again is because no one ever talked about it ever.

2341
02:07:04.079 --> 02:07:04.979
You know.

2342
02:07:05.039 --> 02:07:13.380
I find it very amusing, you know, that the action was so furious, yeah. that people may not have figured out quite what was going on.

2343
02:07:13.439 --> 02:07:16.199
So here we get a long explanation of everything.

2344
02:07:16.260 --> 02:07:21.779
All the technobabble, where everyone's gone. because they're lying about where it's gone.

2345
02:07:21.840 --> 02:07:36.899
They're saying it exploded and what we're talking about now is why no records exist of discovery and why it seemed to violate all of the rules of canon in series one and got everyone so exercise.

2346
02:07:37.020 --> 02:07:42.600
I think what is interesting, the main interesting thing about this is the fact that the guy who's debriefing them, we don't see his face.

2347
02:07:42.720 --> 02:07:44.520
Do you know what I mean?

2348
02:07:44.579 --> 02:07:47.159
Like we never see his face. we ever find out who that is?

2349
02:07:47.220 --> 02:07:48.000
I don't think so.

2350
02:07:48.060 --> 02:07:49.920
I don't know, but it is a thing.

2351
02:07:50.159 --> 02:07:56.579
I think they're just a bit embarrassed by the whole affair, you know, that section 31 computer stuff. all of this.

2352
02:07:56.640 --> 02:07:57.420
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

2353
02:07:57.960 --> 02:08:00.600
We'll never talk of this again, all right?

2354
02:08:00.659 --> 02:08:02.279
All those lives lost.

2355
02:08:02.340 --> 02:08:03.720
We'll think of something.

2356
02:08:03.779 --> 02:08:04.439
Yes.

2357
02:08:04.500 --> 02:08:05.100
Yeah.

2358
02:08:05.159 --> 02:08:06.539
And so here we have the thing.

2359
02:08:06.600 --> 02:08:15.119
No one's allowed to talk about discovery ever again or the spore drive or any of that stuff, which is why all of the cannon breaking stuff in series one is not...

2360
02:08:15.180 --> 02:08:16.560
I can see why you were annoyed.

2361
02:08:16.619 --> 02:08:20.579
Yeah, I like, kind of like, ah, yeah, it's just a little bit too fucking neat.

2362
02:08:20.699 --> 02:08:29.520
And it is, it is so desperate to keep the timeline intact from any of the damage that series one of Discovery might have done to it.

2363
02:08:29.579 --> 02:08:37.079
And I think that the fetishisation of the timeline and of memory alpha and stuff is a big problem for Star Trek creatively.

2364
02:08:37.439 --> 02:08:39.119
Do you imagine?

2365
02:08:39.180 --> 02:08:39.479
Yeah.

2366
02:08:39.539 --> 02:08:47.520
Do you imagine if the fan reaction had been more favourable in the other direction that they would never have gone to the future?

2367
02:08:47.579 --> 02:08:49.020
Oh, yeah, they would have just came right.

2368
02:08:49.079 --> 02:08:50.399
Absolutely certain the fan reaction.

2369
02:08:50.460 --> 02:08:54.239
So this is literally fan reaction, having an impact on the show.

2370
02:08:54.300 --> 02:09:04.680
Yeah, and it turns out to be okay, but it's generally a bad idea because generally speaking fans are bad critics and they often just want to see what they've seen before.

2371
02:09:04.739 --> 02:09:09.420
And this was nothing like what they've seen before.

2372
02:09:09.479 --> 02:09:11.579
Basically, series 3, episode one.

2373
02:09:11.640 --> 02:09:13.380
It's a new show. isn't it?

2374
02:09:13.439 --> 02:09:14.039
Yeah.

2375
02:09:14.100 --> 02:09:14.579
Yeah.

2376
02:09:14.640 --> 02:09:16.199
Well, look who we've seen.

2377
02:09:16.199 --> 02:09:21.720
And obviously run with that for three, four, and five, but with the established characters.

2378
02:09:21.779 --> 02:09:23.520
Yeah, but see what's happening.

2379
02:09:23.520 --> 02:09:25.439
It's kind of doing the DS9 thing, isn't it?

2380
02:09:25.439 --> 02:09:30.960
Discovery has disappeared and now we're in a show about the enterprise, right?

2381
02:09:31.020 --> 02:09:33.840
And this is...

2382
02:09:33.899 --> 02:09:38.399
This is, you know, and it still works as an ending of this.

2383
02:09:38.460 --> 02:09:40.500
So Spock is looking for the signal.

2384
02:09:40.560 --> 02:09:43.739
He's never seen it and like it's been 100 days or something.

2385
02:09:43.800 --> 02:09:47.640
It's been a while, um, but he does see it.

2386
02:09:47.699 --> 02:09:49.140
Like, is that how it ends?

2387
02:09:49.199 --> 02:09:51.539
We learn that they've arrived safe in the future.

2388
02:09:51.659 --> 02:09:56.699
We learn as the audience that they've arrived safe in the future at the end of this episode.

2389
02:09:56.760 --> 02:09:58.079
Yeah?

2390
02:09:58.140 --> 02:10:01.800
Um, Yeah, so good.

2391
02:10:01.859 --> 02:10:03.180
So good.

2392
02:10:03.239 --> 02:10:05.220
Oh, look at that, how well lit this scene is.

2393
02:10:05.279 --> 02:10:07.739
Look at this reflection in the top.

2394
02:10:07.800 --> 02:10:08.939
It's beautiful, isn't it?

2395
02:10:09.000 --> 02:10:17.939
I just love how the glass is always slightly dirty, like the light sort of reflects imperfectly off the glass so that it really gets the sense that it's real light.

2396
02:10:18.000 --> 02:10:22.140
It's real glass, and he's decided to go back to work.

2397
02:10:22.199 --> 02:10:36.300
I mean, the consequence of all of this, a very neat tying up is that we get Strange New Worlds, and that there is an imaginative new sort of plough for discovery to thorough.

2398
02:10:36.359 --> 02:10:39.420
So, no, it ends up being a good thing.

2399
02:10:39.479 --> 02:10:41.220
I look at that.

2400
02:10:41.399 --> 02:10:42.180
Spock is back.

2401
02:10:42.239 --> 02:10:44.460
Oh, my God.

2402
02:10:44.520 --> 02:10:47.399
He's lost about 10 years without shave, hasn't he?

2403
02:10:48.119 --> 02:10:50.819
He's so pretty though, isn't he?

2404
02:10:52.979 --> 02:10:57.720
It's just like impossible to imagine that we're not going to ever get to see this show.

2405
02:10:57.840 --> 02:10:59.460
Unfortunately, we do.

2406
02:10:59.520 --> 02:11:00.840
It's wonderful, isn't it?

2407
02:11:00.899 --> 02:11:09.000
And it's been redesigned and there are design elements from, you know, this set in the Strangely World set.

2408
02:11:09.060 --> 02:11:12.180
I think it's not exactly the same, but it's certainly similar.

2409
02:11:12.239 --> 02:11:12.899
It's bigger.

2410
02:11:12.960 --> 02:11:16.500
I think I wonder how much that was down to fan reactions as well.

2411
02:11:16.560 --> 02:11:23.159
I wonder if it was because this was so positively greeted or if the creators just went, do you know what?

2412
02:11:23.220 --> 02:11:24.180
We're on to a win here.

2413
02:11:24.239 --> 02:11:25.260
Yeah, we should be doing this.

2414
02:11:25.319 --> 02:11:28.020
I think it's both Probably a bit of both, yeah.

2415
02:11:28.079 --> 02:11:36.840
Well, you remember the Star Trek legacy stuff, all those people saying that they wanted to see 7 and Rafi on board the Enterprise G or H or whatever the hell it is.

2416
02:11:36.899 --> 02:11:37.920
Do you know what I mean?

2417
02:11:37.979 --> 02:11:46.560
Like at the end of Picard series 3 and how wonderful that would be with little Jack Crusher there being English on the, you know, other seat.

2418
02:11:46.560 --> 02:11:48.119
And that would have been great.

2419
02:11:48.180 --> 02:11:51.840
That would have been terrific, but it was similar here for this.

2420
02:11:51.899 --> 02:11:54.899
And I'm really glad we got it because it's magnificent.

2421
02:11:54.960 --> 02:11:56.399
Strangely Worlds is so good.

2422
02:11:56.880 --> 02:12:02.520
I just can't think of, I know, I know you say with DS9, like they reboot every year.

2423
02:12:03.180 --> 02:12:04.560
But it's still the same quadrant.

2424
02:12:04.619 --> 02:12:12.000
It's still the same races and it's still the same characters, even though the politics change the goalposts all the time.

2425
02:12:12.060 --> 02:12:15.359
I just kind of think of another time in Star Trek.

2426
02:12:15.600 --> 02:12:19.739
They've just abandoned everything they've created up.

2427
02:12:19.739 --> 02:12:20.880
It's incredibly strange.

2428
02:12:20.939 --> 02:12:21.659
Yeah, yeah.

2429
02:12:21.659 --> 02:12:23.220
Baffling, isn't it?

2430
02:12:23.279 --> 02:12:26.340
Oh, that shot coming out of the Enterprise is gorgeous.

2431
02:12:26.460 --> 02:12:28.500
When he says hit it as well.

2432
02:12:28.560 --> 02:12:30.420
Like that's his thing and there we go.

2433
02:12:33.600 --> 02:12:37.859
I can see why it was a given.

2434
02:12:37.859 --> 02:12:40.680
It absolutely had to happen and it is really great.

2435
02:12:40.739 --> 02:12:42.119
It's really good.

2436
02:12:42.180 --> 02:12:44.699
It just feels like they're saying it out there, right?

2437
02:12:44.760 --> 02:12:46.920
The fact that they give them those last 5 minutes.

2438
02:12:47.039 --> 02:12:54.960
But remember that if Stranger Worlds never happens, that is them going off to start Star Trek, isn't it?

2439
02:12:55.079 --> 02:12:59.640
Like they're going off to start Star Trek with the cage.

2440
02:12:59.699 --> 02:13:03.840
Now we've got this bizarre buck alley. of the way.

2441
02:13:03.899 --> 02:13:06.899
We've thrown them in the future out the way.

2442
02:13:06.960 --> 02:13:09.899
Yeah, and now we'll go off and do Star Trek as we always knew it, right?

2443
02:13:09.960 --> 02:13:16.020
And that's kind of cool and interesting and stuff, but it is also just sort of, I don't know.

2444
02:13:16.079 --> 02:13:16.680
I don't know.

2445
02:13:16.800 --> 02:13:24.600
It just makes me a little bit sad that they react against something that I think was really actually pretty great in series one of this show.

2446
02:13:24.659 --> 02:13:37.319
What I do appreciate is like, because obviously they were trying to reinvent the wheel with series one of discovery, they still do get to do that going forwards because we go to a point in time.

2447
02:13:37.560 --> 02:13:49.979
We've never seen before, but with all of 90s treks, continuity and races and all of that work that was done there for them to play with and to sort of, and, you know, we've not had anything after that, have we?

2448
02:13:50.039 --> 02:13:50.520
No.

2449
02:13:50.520 --> 02:13:56.159
Well, so Starfleet Academy will be in the 32nd century as well after this.

2450
02:13:56.220 --> 02:13:57.420
So, yeah.

2451
02:13:57.479 --> 02:13:58.140
Wow, okay.

2452
02:13:58.199 --> 02:14:02.640
So Tilly is in it in Vance and stuff like that. and the best Robert is in it.

2453
02:14:02.760 --> 02:14:10.260
The next episode has started, Nathan, you know, and I've had a warning at the start there of flashing imagery and foul language.

2454
02:14:10.319 --> 02:14:11.340
Excellent.

2455
02:14:11.399 --> 02:14:12.539
That's what we want.

2456
02:14:12.600 --> 02:14:14.039
That's what I want from my Star Wars.

2457
02:14:14.100 --> 02:14:15.239
I wonder you know that one so much.

2458
02:14:15.840 --> 02:14:18.300
Fuck you, Jean-Luc.

2459
02:14:18.359 --> 02:14:22.319
So that's, you know, that hope is you part one, isn't it?

2460
02:14:22.380 --> 02:14:24.720
Which sets us up in series three.

2461
02:14:24.779 --> 02:14:25.680
Good stuff.

2462
02:14:25.739 --> 02:14:31.979
I have to say that 2nd part was far more agreeable than the 1st part for me.

2463
02:14:32.039 --> 02:14:34.920
And whilst, yes, you made some good points.

2464
02:14:35.039 --> 02:14:39.600
I may have over egged for pudding a little bit in my case.

2465
02:14:39.659 --> 02:14:43.319
It's just the pace of it and the visuals of it.

2466
02:14:43.380 --> 02:14:46.739
I think it's funnier, that 2nd episode as well.

2467
02:14:46.800 --> 02:14:54.779
There's more chance in the middle of all that action to suddenly dig in with a really funny line out of nowhere and then just cut to the action again.

2468
02:14:54.840 --> 02:14:58.979
Yeah, where it all falls down is it is so neat, isn't it?

2469
02:14:59.039 --> 02:15:08.699
It's so tidy at the end that you're going, and obviously that massive leap of everybody just going, oh, well, to the future we go.

2470
02:15:08.760 --> 02:15:10.260
We still want to be on the show.

2471
02:15:11.039 --> 02:15:14.760
We love you, Michael Burnham, more than our family.

2472
02:15:15.420 --> 02:15:19.920
We love being on this show. more than our families and so we're coming with you.

2473
02:15:19.979 --> 02:15:21.720
We want the work.

2474
02:15:21.779 --> 02:15:22.560
Yeah, that's right.

2475
02:15:30.060 --> 02:15:37.260
All right, it's the end of the episode and it is time for you to tell us, Joe, where we're going next.

2476
02:15:37.319 --> 02:15:42.060
This was my one, and it was an excellent choice, if I do say so.

2477
02:15:42.119 --> 02:15:49.560
So I imagine that you're going to redress the balance by making us watch, I don't know, Voyager or something.

2478
02:15:49.619 --> 02:15:57.899
I mean, I would say it was a half excellent choice, but um, yeah, it seems to talk about. going to...

2479
02:15:57.899 --> 02:15:59.520
Flawed things do, though, you know?

2480
02:15:59.579 --> 02:16:01.380
Far more than just good things.

2481
02:16:01.439 --> 02:16:02.220
Well the game.

2482
02:16:02.279 --> 02:16:05.939
Anyway, I was going to segue straight across to original trait.

2483
02:16:06.000 --> 02:16:10.739
One, because we haven't done it in a while and 2 because, well, hello.

2484
02:16:10.800 --> 02:16:11.880
We've just had end.

2485
02:16:11.939 --> 02:16:18.539
Unfortunately, I'm sorry after all of that sort of excitable camera work.

2486
02:16:18.600 --> 02:16:22.560
I'm just in the mood for the static camera work of 90s trick.

2487
02:16:22.619 --> 02:16:23.640
Okay, excellent.

2488
02:16:23.699 --> 02:16:25.739
I tend to always take us tonight.

2489
02:16:25.800 --> 02:16:29.939
However, I've taken out Enterprise because, well, that's your your week.

2490
02:16:29.939 --> 02:16:31.739
Oh, picking and not mine. pick that next time.

2491
02:16:31.800 --> 02:16:39.479
So we've got the next generation, Duke Space Star and Voyager, as I will remind you, despite percentages, there are still a lot to get through.

2492
02:16:39.600 --> 02:16:40.680
Yeah, absolutely.

2493
02:16:40.739 --> 02:16:42.360
So are you ready?

2494
02:16:42.420 --> 02:16:43.379
I'm ready.

2495
02:16:43.500 --> 02:16:46.139
Okay, here we go.

2496
02:16:46.200 --> 02:16:47.340
Oh, scorpion.

2497
02:16:47.399 --> 02:16:48.780
No, we've done that. done that.

2498
02:16:48.840 --> 02:16:49.979
Okay.

2499
02:16:51.420 --> 02:16:56.879
Deep space on episode is season two, episode 25 Tribunal.

2500
02:16:56.940 --> 02:16:59.280
Oh no, quite boring, actually.

2501
02:16:59.340 --> 02:16:59.940
Oh, okay.

2502
02:16:59.940 --> 02:17:04.620
O'Brien's put on trial by the Cardassians for one episode.

2503
02:17:04.620 --> 02:17:07.319
And we see him and Keiko getting it on in the shuttle.

2504
02:17:07.620 --> 02:17:10.260
Yeah, you don't want to watch that, do you?

2505
02:17:10.319 --> 02:17:11.159
Accession?

2506
02:17:11.219 --> 02:17:12.899
My god, that was that good.

2507
02:17:12.959 --> 02:17:13.379
Yep.

2508
02:17:13.379 --> 02:17:14.040
Yep.

2509
02:17:14.100 --> 02:17:14.579
Okay.

2510
02:17:14.940 --> 02:17:22.500
Your random Star Trek Voyager episode is season four, episode 7 scientific method.

2511
02:17:23.280 --> 02:17:29.879
This is a Janeway episode, I think, about science and religion.

2512
02:17:30.120 --> 02:17:33.360
Oh, no, you're thinking about sacred ground.

2513
02:17:33.420 --> 02:17:35.459
No, am I?

2514
02:17:35.520 --> 02:17:36.479
Maybe I am.

2515
02:17:36.540 --> 02:17:37.200
I think so.

2516
02:17:37.200 --> 02:17:37.860
From series three.

2517
02:17:37.920 --> 02:17:38.940
This is series four.

2518
02:17:39.000 --> 02:17:45.959
This is the one where there's aliens performing experiments on all the crew, you know, just like. only worse.

2519
02:17:46.020 --> 02:17:47.760
Not as good, yeah.

2520
02:17:47.819 --> 02:17:49.739
Okay, let's keep going, shall we?

2521
02:17:49.799 --> 02:17:51.120
Okay.

2522
02:17:51.600 --> 02:17:57.780
Your random subject D Space 9 episode is season two, episode five, Cardassians.

2523
02:17:57.840 --> 02:17:59.639
It's a musical, isn't it?

2524
02:17:59.700 --> 02:18:01.319
With...

2525
02:18:02.159 --> 02:18:04.260
It's a goodie.

2526
02:18:04.319 --> 02:18:08.159
It is a goodie, but I think we've done too many decent.

2527
02:18:08.579 --> 02:18:09.659
It's not episodes.

2528
02:18:10.799 --> 02:18:12.659
Oh, way.

2529
02:18:12.659 --> 02:18:15.719
Here we go.

2530
02:18:15.719 --> 02:18:18.899
No, it's get that cheese to Sick Bay.

2531
02:18:18.959 --> 02:18:24.420
Your random Star Trek Forager episode in season one, episode 16, Learning Cove.

2532
02:18:24.479 --> 02:18:26.520
Oh yeah, we have to do that. absolutely.

2533
02:18:26.579 --> 02:18:31.979
I mean, I don't think we'll see enough of Tim Ross jogging around the corridors.

2534
02:18:33.120 --> 02:18:33.899
Oh, no.

2535
02:18:33.899 --> 02:18:35.879
It's got boric in it, doesn't it?

2536
02:18:35.940 --> 02:18:38.100
Oh, I can't remember.

2537
02:18:38.219 --> 02:18:41.879
It is the episode where the cheese always brings down.

2538
02:18:42.959 --> 02:18:47.700
I know, it would give us a chance to see early Neelix after seeing lightning licks.

2539
02:18:47.760 --> 02:18:51.000
Yeah, yeah, yeah, terrible, Ne-Leaks after seeing it quite good, Neelix.

2540
02:18:51.059 --> 02:18:52.079
Albay fair.

2541
02:18:52.139 --> 02:18:57.719
I fear it may be the last time they ever bring up the Marquis at the end of the series.

2542
02:18:57.780 --> 02:18:58.920
That's upsetting.

2543
02:18:58.979 --> 02:18:59.940
Wow.

2544
02:19:00.000 --> 02:19:01.860
I can promise you this.

2545
02:19:01.920 --> 02:19:05.700
It will be in no way as dynamic as what we just watched. absolutely.

2546
02:19:05.760 --> 02:19:19.979
I'm counting on it Youve been listening to Untitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford and Nathan Bottomley.

2547
02:19:20.040 --> 02:19:27.420
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2548
02:19:27.479 --> 02:19:32.340
Our podcast artwork is by Kayla Ciceran, and the theme was composed by Cameron Lamb.

2549
02:19:32.399 --> 02:19:38.940
This episode was recorded on the 18th of March, 2025 and released on the 21st of March.

2550
02:19:39.000 --> 02:19:43.200
We'll see you next time for Star Trek Voyager, learning curve.

2551
02:19:58.799 --> 02:20:00.959
It's terrible.

2552
02:20:01.020 --> 02:20:03.840
So, wait, I can't remember which one it is.

2553
02:20:03.899 --> 02:20:12.120
Is it the one where he is teaching the people who is it like Good Shepherd only with Tim Ross?

2554
02:20:12.180 --> 02:20:17.819
Tim Ross, yeah, and there's a Bolian, and there's Vorak.

2555
02:20:17.879 --> 02:20:19.020
Isn't there?

2556
02:20:19.139 --> 02:20:20.879
A Vulcan.

2557
02:20:20.940 --> 02:20:23.520
I think it's a Vulcrum. but he's no, isn't it Varik?

2558
02:20:23.579 --> 02:20:25.920
You know, the other the Vulcan who has sex with...

2559
02:20:25.920 --> 02:20:27.239
I can't remember.

2560
02:20:27.299 --> 02:20:33.180
There's that sort of big burly bloke as well that Shakotay punches. at one point.

2561
02:20:35.340 --> 02:20:37.020
Voyager.

2562
02:20:40.860 --> 02:20:44.219
I thought 4 it came along in three.

2563
02:20:44.280 --> 02:20:45.000
I could be wrong.

2564
02:20:48.059 --> 02:20:50.219
Yeah, there's a...

2565
02:20:50.219 --> 02:20:53.760
There's a woman, there's an annoying woman with American lady hair.

2566
02:20:54.239 --> 02:21:01.200
Janeway meets the horrible, horrible children in her Gothic horror novel.

2567
02:21:01.260 --> 02:21:01.799
Yes.

2568
02:21:01.920 --> 02:21:02.819
Oh, wonderful.

2569
02:21:02.879 --> 02:21:14.100
There's ugly crewman Dalby, who has a very slappable face, and there's someone called Geren, who is a weird...

2570
02:21:14.159 --> 02:21:15.420
Oh, he's sort of hot, actually.

2571
02:21:15.840 --> 02:21:17.819
Yeah, criminal.

2572
02:21:17.879 --> 02:21:19.979
I'd forgotten all about Lord Burley.

2573
02:21:20.040 --> 02:21:21.180
Oh my god.

2574
02:21:22.139 --> 02:21:25.559
Oh, and they're wearing horrible outfits as well.

2575
02:21:25.620 --> 02:21:26.879
I don't know what's happening.

2576
02:21:26.940 --> 02:21:27.479
Well, those kids.

2577
02:21:27.479 --> 02:21:39.059
No, there's a, there's a picture of Tim Ross and American lady hair, but they're wearing kind of like jumpsuits, like, yeah.

2578
02:21:39.120 --> 02:21:41.940
That's what he puts them in to make a run around the ship.

2579
02:21:42.000 --> 02:21:42.659
Yeah, yeah.

2580
02:21:42.719 --> 02:21:47.639
I think I can see Tim's Wang here actually outlined against...

2581
02:21:48.299 --> 02:21:50.219
Is it impressive?

2582
02:21:50.280 --> 02:21:51.899
Well, it's a little bit hard to see it.

2583
02:21:51.959 --> 02:21:54.059
It's not a very clear photo.

2584
02:21:54.120 --> 02:21:55.440
Well, have a good look when we're watching it.

2585
02:21:55.500 --> 02:21:56.760
Keep an eye out for it.

2586
02:21:57.540 --> 02:22:00.000
We're going talk about something.

2587
02:22:00.360 --> 02:22:02.459
Yeah, I do remember that.

2588
02:22:02.520 --> 02:22:04.440
I thought Varek was in it, but he isn't.

2589
02:22:05.100 --> 02:22:08.100
Yeah, but he's in something anyway.

2590
02:22:08.459 --> 02:22:10.440
Oh, yeah, okay.

2591
02:22:10.500 --> 02:22:13.139
Well, that will be miserable, but well, have fun with it.

2592
02:22:13.200 --> 02:22:14.040
That's it.

2593
02:22:14.040 --> 02:22:29.100
So we go and watch something that is huge and ambitious and kind of... and you're complaining about the camera work and then you'll have fucking David Livingston or some dipshit just sticking the camera in one place.

2594
02:22:30.600 --> 02:22:32.520
You love it.

2595
02:22:32.579 --> 02:22:33.420
Don't even.

2596
02:22:33.420 --> 02:22:37.500
Don't even come with me, you bloody love, nutty strict.

2597
02:22:40.979 --> 02:22:43.319
And you know what, right?

2598
02:22:43.379 --> 02:22:49.739
I can't remember the end of the episode, but I can almost bet that those...

2599
02:22:49.739 --> 02:22:53.340
The marquee people all work together to save the day from the cheese.

2600
02:22:53.819 --> 02:22:55.979
Do they save Tuvok?

2601
02:22:56.040 --> 02:22:56.819
What do you reckon?

2602
02:22:56.879 --> 02:22:57.540
What are the chances?

2603
02:22:57.659 --> 02:22:59.340
I know what they say, too. reckon so.

2604
02:22:59.399 --> 02:23:01.200
Let's bring it up in the next one.

2605
02:23:01.260 --> 02:23:03.180
I say, right, we predicted that.

2606
02:23:04.739 --> 02:23:11.040
When you watch it, though, just quite quickly, remember, this was the last episode of series one.

2607
02:23:11.100 --> 02:23:12.120
Oh, okay.

2608
02:23:12.180 --> 02:23:12.780
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

2609
02:23:12.899 --> 02:23:16.319
Because they pushed forward 4 episodes in series 2.

2610
02:23:16.440 --> 02:23:18.360
The 38s or whatever.

2611
02:23:19.799 --> 02:23:20.520
This is where it ended.

2612
02:23:20.579 --> 02:23:22.079
Get the cheese to sit.

2613
02:23:22.200 --> 02:23:23.219
Oh my god.

2614
02:23:23.280 --> 02:23:24.299
The cheese.

2615
02:23:24.360 --> 02:23:28.319
Suddenly makes the discovery finales look really like winners.