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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So we're back in Star Trek, The Next Generation, in its imperial

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phase.

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It's Series 5, episode 4, the game.

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We have a teleplay by Brannan Braga, and the story is by a bunch

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of people, including Brannan Braga.

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It's directed by Corey Allen, who did encounter at Farpoint and

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Captive Pursuit, and actually did a bunch of Star Trek, The Next

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Generation in Deep Space.

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I think that this is top tier Star Trek, like absolutely superb

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one of the best episodes of the entire franchise.

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Am I crazy?

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No, I sailed through this.

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I mean, I think this is the possibly the most entertaining next

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generation episode we've done to date.

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Like, there wasn't a part of this where, you know, the pleasure

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things all over my body weren't pinging, you know?

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Wesley's back The crew's having a great time, it's got a truly

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truly hideously absurd premise.

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Everyone's having orgasms all over the ship.

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There's dreadful lawnmower man style, special effects that they're

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doing.

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They're bloody.

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There's a great cab female villain that comes along at the end in

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a tiny little ship ready to take down the federation with a

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computer game.

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I mean, it's just ridiculous, isn't it?

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But there's a confidence to this.

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They know this is ridiculous and they're just going to play it for

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all it's worth.

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And I think this has a really decent production as well.

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Because when the direction really needs to hit, which is Wesley

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being hunted through the ship.

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I think it's one of the most exciting set pieces they've ever done

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on the Next Generation, with great music, and, you know, lots of

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running.

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I just yeah, just brilliant. absolutely brilliant.

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Should the next generation always be this stupid.

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Absolutely not.

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But should it be as stupid as this on a more regular occasion?

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Yes.

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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So yeah, obviously this is them doing a Twilight Zone episode in

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lots of ways.

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And Star Trek the Next Generation goes back and sort of mines that

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genre a little bit.

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It's something that it sometimes does.

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But here it's very thoroughgoingly a Twilight Zone episode, isn't

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it?

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With gradually the crew being kind of subverted.

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And it's all done.

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I think, like, I think the thing about it is just how well it's

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gone.

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It's quite such a work, isn't it?

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And then you suddenly realise everybody in 10 forward is wearing a

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game headset.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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It's really, it's really terribly good.

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Like, I just think, and I think we're distracted slightly by the

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return of Wesley, and this is a really, really good episode for

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Wesley.

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Wesley used to get made fun of a little bit because he was the

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annoying kid who saved the ship all the time.

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And so they get him back for one last episode, and I think they

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know at this point it's not the last episode, but...

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But he does save the ship.

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He's got a chart on his wall for how many times.

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Right, one walk, right, back to the academy.

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But had he never come back, had this been his last episode, it

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would have been great. because it gives...

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Yeah, like it gives us the chance to imagine that he's got the

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girl and that's really good.

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He was still a kid, like a little kid.

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He occasionally had, not really a love interest, but, you know

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like there was, I I'm just thinking the Dauphin, perhaps.

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Um, but uh, here it's proper.

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We get to see him be an adult.

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We get to hear about him flourishing somewhere else other than the

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enterprise.

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And so when he goes back, we're confident that he's going to be

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okay and that he's going to be successful.

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And I really like it.

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I just think it's perfect and he's really good in it.

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What's super interesting about that is this is one of those rare

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times Next Generation is setting something up because 1st duty is

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later in the season.

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So they're establishing here that he's doing extremely well.

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He's a confident young man, you know, good with the ladies, a bit

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awkward, but, you know, it's Ashley Judd that he captures the

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attention of in this. ain't doing too bad.

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And then later on, it literally just kills his Federation career

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dead, doesn't it?

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And he makes a terrible choice.

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Really interesting journey, and both of them, both Wesley episodes

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this year are absolute highlights of the season.

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And I think Will Wheaton's better as well.

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I think Will Wheaton was a very nerd.

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We know, like, I don't know if you've heard him in interviews.

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He suffers from terrible anxiety. you know, he's on age

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presently.

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He's on CBD tablets, anything to help him get through the day.

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And he said back when he was doing this, He was surrounded by

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these amazing actors and he was just lost, you know?

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And then they gave them this role was the most irritating child in

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the television universe.

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And he was saddled with that.

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So for him to cut to sort of push away from that.

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And say, okay, I won't do that anymore.

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And then to come back just so confident.

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You know, such a delightful character.

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Kudos to him.

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Yeah, I think he's great.

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Yeah, yeah.

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I think that there's one bit that he and Ashley Judd don't quite

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land.

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I think the script is doing one thing, but they don't actually

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manage to do it.

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And I think it is just sort of down to their inexperience and

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stuff, but they're both super charming and they're both able to

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kind of hold the episode together because, you know, by the end of

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it, they're the 2 main characters, the only people who haven't

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been subverted by the game.

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And so they're our kind of focus characters.

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And they're really fun together.

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Like, I think they're super charming.

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Effectively, they just have to be a cute engaging couple.

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They sail through that, you know.

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The last scene in his quarters. is gorgeous.

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And I remember watching it when I was younger because, you know

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this was my heavy Will Wheaton Crossphage.

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I was sort of 14, 14, 15.

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Um, and absolutely desperate.

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Will Wheaton was all over my wall.

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I was going to the hairdressers, you know, getting the Wesley Cup

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of which I did send you a picture, didn't I?

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I found the book.

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You did.

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The exact book, contagion, which I took into the hairdressers and

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say, please make me look like this.

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The most beautiful man on the planet.

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I could still feel that when I watched this.

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Just how in love I was with Wesley Crusher when I was a kid, with

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no embarrassment whatsoever.

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It was Will Wheaton and Edward Furlong from Terminator 2.

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I can't say.

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I'm kind of cute, aren't they?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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But where was I going with this?

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What was I saying?

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That's good.

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It was good material.

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Actually, Wesley Rocks.

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And you know, in a series of absurd set pieces.

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Yeah, they sort of stack up throughout this episode when he is

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hunted through the ship.

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I mean, he's firing phasers, um, force fields, isn't he?

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beaming himself all across the ship.

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Yeah, he's running rings around them all.

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I mean, even Worf, you know, trained warrior.

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Can't chase him up a bloody Jeffrey's tube.

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Wesley Rocks.

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Yeah, no, he's really good in this.

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It's a great episode for him.

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What do you think?

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Should we go in?

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One more question.

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Nathan.

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Is it true what they say about your birthmark?

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All of that stuff is so good. really buy that.

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Like they create that little world, which we do get to see, which

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as you said, they're setting up the 1st duty, where we do get to

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go to Starfleet Academy and see some of this staff.

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And they're setting it up wonderfully.

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I've got stuff to say about Starfleet Academy because I think the

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way it's portrayed is really fun and interesting here, but they do

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create a world that he's been living in while he hasn't been on

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the show and I think that's done really incredibly well.

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I think this is one of Brannan Baraka's 1st scripts as well.

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Okay.

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And I remember in an interview where they said, um, man, this guy

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is good because he had to write a very functional scene where

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Riker says to Troy.

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I will try the game, you know, and there's a lot of scenes like

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that in this.

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And instead of just having that function, he writes this whole

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sequence where Troy is sculpting a chocolate sundae.

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And I know, I know it's sort of lazy characterisation, but Marina

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so it's just loving doing it, you know, she stares straight at

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Jonathan Frakes and goes, chocolate is a very serious business. you

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know, and it's the sort of stuff that Troy don't often get, you

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know?

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She's, like we say, she's, she's not loose like that.

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She's not fun and they said, my god, if he can do that with a

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chocolate sundae, let's give him some really good stuff to do, you

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know, going forward.

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So I think it's a good script from Brandon.

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Yeah, I do too.

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All right.

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I think we're going.

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Let's do it Okay, see him then.

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Five, four, three, two, one, and we're off.

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So this is an unusual opening.

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Don't you think?

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Because it's like sex comedy opening.

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We've been to Rizer, haven't we, before, in Captain's Holiday?

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We have.

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Yeah, that's right.

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That's right.

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So it's a known thing.

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And Riker, you know, he fucks.

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We know that at this point.

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And so this is actually quite cute. you know, like she's a little

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bit annoying.

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She's very annoying tolerate that. giggling around like a

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lunatic.

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In fact, he seems a bit bothered.

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When he jumps on the bed, right?

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And then she jumps on top of him, sort of starts dry humping him

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and kissing his neck.

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He looks like, oh, I just wanted to lie down.

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I'm a bit tired.

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Will you leave me alone, please?

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I did get a sort of like he gets a bit of a smile.

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It was kind of nice seeing Jonathan be so relaxed, you know, like

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he's more like the Jonathan that we kind of know, uh, you know

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from interviews and stuff like that now. smile and stuff.

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Riketsu Enterprise.

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I'm having a serious problem here on right.

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Too much nookie.

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Oh, look at his lovely hairy chest out as well.

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Oh, yeah, no, I'm a big fan of that. is proper bed hair as well.

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Look at his hair.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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But he's sort of into it.

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I think he's into it in a way.

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That's a look that we have not seen from him in any other

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context.

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I think he's uh, this is his um, horny face.

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She's so sad as well because she just reaches it off camera and

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picks up the game very subtly.

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So it's really interesting this game, isn't it?

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Because, like, we don't have sort of AR or VR in the 80s.

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So it's not a, you know, like it's not a, um, it doesn't have a

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thing in front of the eyes.

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But it's like a Walkman, you know, like it's that metal, that

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metal thing that a Walkman headset has.

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And remember that, like at the time, so the Walkman's reasonably

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old at this point, like, you know, like it's a few years old, they

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sold quite a lot of them.

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And people were scared that people would just sort of retreat into

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their own worlds with a Walkman on.

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You know, it created your own space with your own music and shut

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everyone else out. ultimately, but yeah.

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Yeah, yeah.

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But the Walkman, the panic about the Walkman was very similar, I

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think.

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Yeah, there's his O face.

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I remember as a kid because I was so impressed with the special

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effects as a kid.

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I mean, it was the most incredible thing I'd ever seen.

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I think the savvy move they make with the game is that they don't

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just do a special effect.

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Because that would look, it does look pony, right?

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a cone and a cup.

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Yeah, but they have what the person's seeing outside of the game.

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And that feels impressive.

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I think so too.

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I mean, at the time, it did.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Like here, where we're seeing verb game take place between his

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face and hers.

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Oh, wow, he's really...

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And there's lots of scenes. they do lots of POV shots throughout

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the episode of people walking around and things like that and just

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seeing that special effect on the screen becomes something very

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menacing if you're looking through that person's eyes.

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It's pretty good.

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It is pretty good.

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So, Yeah, so so what I think is, because the it opens with that

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right?

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And so an attentive attentive viewer isn't going to forget that

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scene.

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And so when we come back to the ship, and we're not on rise and

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we're not even mentioning riser, and it starts to become about the

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Zukov, I think, like there's another ship there that has some

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scientists... you know, your standard day on the Enterprise.

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But the thing that I like about that is that it is the standard

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day on the Enterprise.

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It's not interrupting another.

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It's not actually interrupting another show.

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Do you know what I mean?

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It's not like another episode that gets subverted by the game.

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It's not like there was going to be a Star Trek episode this week

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and then it gets destroyed by the game turning up.

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This is just an ordinary day and what they're doing is sciencing.

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And I know that sounds really sort of bizarre and, and, and, like

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I don't know, I'm excited by the fact that they're doing science

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and a whole group of people from this other ship have come aboard

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the Enterprise because it's got the big sensors on the deflect

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edition and we're having to ration it because everyone wants to do

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it and stuff.

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And I just think it's so good.

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Like, I think, like, they do stop talking about it.

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Of course. you know, because something much more fun's going to.

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Like we had a, there's this episode in season 2 where that is the

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episode.

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Geordie La Forge is trying to juggle up all of the departments

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that want this bit of equipment that they've come across.

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And you know what?

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It's so boring.

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Like, I know, I get what you're saying, and you like the

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procedural element and their competent space people doing space

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things.

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Yeah, but you know, the addictive orgasm game is a lot more fun.

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Oh, no, that's right.

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There's no episode without it.

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That's what I'm saying.

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But I think, I think, like, so Riker walks into this scene from

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the teaser, right?

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Um, and then we don't mention it again for a while.

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Let's keep an eye out for when he 1st mentions the game.

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Well, like as well, is when people are under the influence of the

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game, it doesn't subsume their personality, they can still be

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concerned about people.

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Like so often when it's possession, you know, people just, well

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I'm engaged, but Fadden becomes a zombie, but that's all she can

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do.

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But like, you know what I mean?

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Like people are still behaving like they usually do.

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They just have an obsession with this new headset.

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Oh, here she is.

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Robin Leffler.

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Beautiful.

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She was in Darmark, of course.

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Oh, I forgot that.

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Yeah, yeah.

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So she does 2 episodes, which I think is great.

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So we set her up as someone.

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And, you know, it's something that rarely happens.

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I think, you know, um, once the woman from Q who, Sonya

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something.

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Oh, Nicia Naff, as uh, and Sonia Gomez.

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Gomez.

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That's right.

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Yeah, and I think she's cute and sort of adorable.

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And Terry Hatcher from The Outrageous O'Connor.

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Yeah, yeah.

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I mean, TNG starting all their careers.

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Kirsten Dunce. is in an episode of series 7.

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That's right.

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And with Gene Simmons, it's ending careers as well.

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Starting ending. exactly right.

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Yeah, yeah.

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So she is very cute.

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I think you are right about her.

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Yeah, look at her trying to do the tennis.

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By multiplexing, multiplexing the array.

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But then she just then she smiles at him.

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And I kind of like Riker's not creepy, though.

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He lying to her, but she's young.

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He's not going to be a creep about it, but he's he's nice to her.

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Do you know what I mean?

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Like, I kind of like that.

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I wanted him to creeps on earth.

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That would have been horrible.

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No, no, still no.

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No, no, no.

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We do Wesley first.

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There's a big destruction before we get to the game.

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Oh, I'm here to tell her about it.

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So I think that that is the cheapest and shittiest fucking Sunday

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that they've just got off the craft services table.

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I'm currently on a no-processed sugar diet, all right?

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So that looks fucking gorgeous. delicious.

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It has like chocolate chocolate buds on it that just look terribly

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cheap.

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Nathan, the way she acts this scene, she sells it.

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Yeah, she's slightly embarrassed and I love the, are you depressed

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and then she kind of rolls her eyes and I love the, um, should I

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leave you to alone as well?

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I think is... in now. like early series.

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I mean, their chemistry together is just amazingly good, isn't

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it?

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She gets to be a little bit.

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So I think the, like, why is this scene here?

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Like, it's to give Marina something to do this week?

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There's really, it's not about anything else.

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It's just him saying, I've brought back this game.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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But what else are they going to talk about?

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Do you know what I mean?

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They're not talking about work, which is what we were doing in

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engineering just now and on the bridge just now.

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But she is talking about pleasure, right?

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And physical pleasure and how important it is.

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And given that the game acts on the pleasure centres of the brain

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there is something relevant about talking about it.

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I can remember aged nipper, say eating my desserts with my mother

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and going, relish every bite.

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Make everyone an event.

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She's looking at me. you need to go out more I used to quote Star

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Trek all the time. was obsessed.

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Look at that.

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OMG.

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My shadow?

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Like it is so great.

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Yeah, I know.

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Oh, Marina.

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I miss chocolate.

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I do.

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Look at that dreadful space bowl she's eating out of.

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No, no, it's absurd.

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Ridiculous.

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Oh, we go, I've got something better than chocolate, you know

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Troy.

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That's just a game.

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Also, there's something about the way they tell each other about

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the game. which seems to be really kind of adult in a way.

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Do you know what I mean?

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Like I've discovered this thing.

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It's really interesting.

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I'm not sure I can put my finger on why I feel that.

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But they have that little moment at the end of each scene when

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they say, oh, I'll show you this game.

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It's really interesting or whatever.

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There's something about it.

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The camera lingers on a smile.

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Enormous, beautiful smile, as if she's thinking, what sort of game

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are you talking about?

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I'm up for it, you know?

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next game.

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Yeah.

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Oh, Will Wheeler looks so cute.

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My god.

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He's out of that hideous gray uniform.

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He's wearing a star for his uniform.

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Yeah.

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Or stuff like Academy.

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Has he grown a little bit as well?

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He looks taller.

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He does seem tall. he's 19 at this point It's unbelievable, isn't

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it, that O'Brien was just standing there at that transport for 5

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seasons.

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Poor sod.

446
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Someone's ready to beam in.

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Oh, thank God, something to do.

448
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I get to push a button.

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Oh, this is great.

451
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The welcome back, surprise. love all of it. really good.

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This is a sort of banter that Voyager would tank.

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We're watching through our fingers.

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And the other thing that this scene has to do is that it has to

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establish data, right?

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It has to remind us about data and new data is because data is not

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affected by the game.

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And so, you know, the fact that they have to take him out is part

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of the reason why, you know, we defeat the game.

460
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But look how excited they are to see him.

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They're visibly excited.

462
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You're right.

463
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Geordie is hugely excited.

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I bet you drive all the girls wild.

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Do you remember when he grew up into a man and Wesley Geordie went

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you know, yeah.

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Yeah, well done.

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I think he might be on the turn.

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Oh, wharf made a cake.

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I know I just think that's adorable.

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And then Data does that laugh.

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He does that really force laugh and then stops and no one reacts

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to it.

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Like, he just keeps talking, which I just think is really great.

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It's not like a laugh line or anything.

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I go one of 2 ways with data's literal interpretation of things.

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Either I find it toad curlingly embarrassing or it's really

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enjoyable.

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And all the conversation about the deception here.

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And when they're out in the corner, I just think it's just on the

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right line of making data funny.

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But it has to do it, right?

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It's got, yeah, there you go.

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That's the end of the scene and now Deanna's telling her about the

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game.

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And so the game is happening.

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It's spreading while this is all is kind of distracting us in the

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foreground.

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I'm so sorry, but did you see those miserable looking pot plants

490
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there in the corridor?

491
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to suggest the luxury of the enterprise.

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So here's the thing which I think is really good.

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So they're talking about practical jokes and obviously that's

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going to come up in his conversation with Leffler later.

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But here he says, the 1st week I was there, this guy named Adam

496
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Martoni filled my sonic shower with mud.

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And then I got back at him.

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What data doesn't understand is that Wesley wants to tell him what

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he did.

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That's the obvious thing for the next time.

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Good for you.

502
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Good for you.

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And he's doing it because he thinks that's the right thing to say

504
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at this point.

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He's completely misinterpreted how that conversation's meant to

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go.

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And and no one, like in normal Star Trek or in Voyager we would

508
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have to stop and explain that that was what, you know, that was

509
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where he got it wrong.

510
00:22:23.579 --> 00:22:26.700
And all of this where he goes, I don't have the knack for

511
00:22:26.700 --> 00:22:27.180
dancing.

512
00:22:27.240 --> 00:22:28.259
Oh, your mother's very good.

513
00:22:28.319 --> 00:22:30.240
She taught me recently, their continuity.

514
00:22:30.299 --> 00:22:32.640
And then he goes, oh, yeah, the dancing doctor.

515
00:22:32.700 --> 00:22:34.380
It's just so great.

516
00:22:34.440 --> 00:22:35.940
This dialogue is really really good.

517
00:22:36.180 --> 00:22:40.680
But also when Wesley says, I'll let you know about the 17 part

518
00:22:40.680 --> 00:22:43.319
holographic trading program.

519
00:22:43.380 --> 00:22:47.700
He just nods as if, okay, all right, you'll let me know.

520
00:22:48.180 --> 00:22:52.500
He doesn't get that I'll let you know means absolutely not never

521
00:22:52.500 --> 00:22:53.700
in a 1000000 years, you know.

522
00:22:53.759 --> 00:22:55.559
So here they meet.

523
00:22:55.559 --> 00:22:57.299
I should be fine. sit here at my console.

524
00:22:57.359 --> 00:22:58.799
Who on earth is that over there?

525
00:22:58.859 --> 00:23:00.299
Gorgeous.

526
00:23:00.359 --> 00:23:01.859
Ensign Leffler.

527
00:23:02.640 --> 00:23:07.079
I love how he says, no, the computer has to do this.

528
00:23:07.140 --> 00:23:08.460
I think that's so good.

529
00:23:08.519 --> 00:23:09.900
I think that's so good.

530
00:23:10.019 --> 00:23:14.160
That sounds like you talking to me. absolutely me.

531
00:23:17.519 --> 00:23:20.099
So this is their meat cute.

532
00:23:20.160 --> 00:23:22.859
And here's her 1st bointer.

533
00:23:22.920 --> 00:23:25.500
So...

534
00:23:25.500 --> 00:23:27.119
A series of pointers.

535
00:23:27.180 --> 00:23:28.680
That was her 1st one.

536
00:23:28.799 --> 00:23:34.740
Robin's Laws, which I think is where the Ferengi Rules of

537
00:23:34.740 --> 00:23:36.059
Acquisition comes from.

538
00:23:36.119 --> 00:23:37.980
Oh, maybe, don't you think?

539
00:23:38.039 --> 00:23:39.539
No, they've already started doing them.

540
00:23:39.660 --> 00:23:41.759
I think they've started doing that. you sure?

541
00:23:41.759 --> 00:23:42.779
I think so.

542
00:23:42.839 --> 00:23:46.740
Yeah, I think I think in Captain Holiday in series three.

543
00:23:46.799 --> 00:23:49.140
Look at Wesley, he's bewitched by her, isn't he?

544
00:23:49.200 --> 00:23:50.579
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

545
00:23:50.640 --> 00:23:53.640
Well, because he can't he can't find a way of stopping this

546
00:23:53.640 --> 00:23:54.240
conversation.

547
00:23:54.299 --> 00:23:57.720
You know, he's still holding her hand, still smiling at her, and

548
00:23:57.720 --> 00:24:01.380
she gets him to disengage by saying, your neutrinos are drifting

549
00:24:01.380 --> 00:24:03.299
in a way that sounds filthy.

550
00:24:03.359 --> 00:24:05.099
Like, I think that sounds filthy.

551
00:24:05.339 --> 00:24:06.960
I don't laugh though, isn't it, gorgeous?

552
00:24:07.259 --> 00:24:09.539
And they're both smiling.

553
00:24:09.599 --> 00:24:10.740
Oh, it's just great.

554
00:24:10.799 --> 00:24:11.759
It's adorable.

555
00:24:11.819 --> 00:24:15.779
I think the problem though is that they're supposed to be much

556
00:24:15.779 --> 00:24:17.220
more awkward around each other.

557
00:24:17.220 --> 00:24:23.640
And the thing that warms them up is having a thing to do, having a

558
00:24:23.640 --> 00:24:24.779
problem to solve.

559
00:24:24.839 --> 00:24:27.779
And then when they get together and the, you know, they're in Sick

560
00:24:27.779 --> 00:24:31.259
Bay running, you know, experimenting on the game and all of that

561
00:24:31.259 --> 00:24:34.319
sort of thing, that's when they warm up and they start to get kind

562
00:24:34.319 --> 00:24:37.319
of really excited, but they don't, they don't get that.

563
00:24:37.380 --> 00:24:39.299
The chemistry is too good, you know?

564
00:24:39.359 --> 00:24:42.539
I think that they just don't quite get...

565
00:24:42.599 --> 00:24:44.039
I think that that's where the script's going.

566
00:24:44.099 --> 00:24:45.359
I think that that's what needs to happen.

567
00:24:45.660 --> 00:24:48.839
They're really there where they turn data off.

568
00:24:48.900 --> 00:24:50.220
It's great.

569
00:24:50.279 --> 00:24:51.720
Very imperceptibly.

570
00:24:51.779 --> 00:24:56.400
Dr. Beverly kicks his off switch and down he goes.

571
00:24:56.460 --> 00:24:59.099
And then there's a great angle looking up at his head with them

572
00:24:59.099 --> 00:25:01.799
all in his head. wonderful.

573
00:25:01.859 --> 00:25:06.000
Yeah, they all walk in like villains and they all just sort of

574
00:25:06.000 --> 00:25:06.900
stand around him.

575
00:25:06.960 --> 00:25:07.799
It's really great.

576
00:25:07.980 --> 00:25:10.920
So the off switch is from measure of a man.

577
00:25:11.279 --> 00:25:15.599
I think, but it's established...

578
00:25:15.660 --> 00:25:16.619
Yeah, yeah.

579
00:25:16.680 --> 00:25:19.859
But it is established, I think, that only she knows about it.

580
00:25:19.920 --> 00:25:21.480
Is that why they can only come in afterwards?

581
00:25:21.539 --> 00:25:23.579
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

582
00:25:23.640 --> 00:25:26.819
But this shot where they're all kind of standing around him and

583
00:25:26.819 --> 00:25:29.400
staff and it's the people.

584
00:25:29.460 --> 00:25:32.279
So if we've been paying attention, we know that it's the game

585
00:25:32.279 --> 00:25:32.519
right?

586
00:25:32.579 --> 00:25:34.680
Oh, for absolute.

587
00:25:34.740 --> 00:25:37.200
Well, we know it's gone from these 3 people from one to the

588
00:25:37.200 --> 00:25:38.039
other.

589
00:25:38.099 --> 00:25:41.279
I don't think you need to pay attention too much in this one.

590
00:25:41.700 --> 00:25:43.680
No, I know.

591
00:25:43.799 --> 00:25:46.440
Oh, see, this is great as well.

592
00:25:46.500 --> 00:25:49.440
Wesley talking about his time at the academy and you're right, the

593
00:25:49.440 --> 00:25:52.140
beer where Picard goes, oh yeah, booth me.

594
00:25:52.200 --> 00:25:53.279
Yes, of course.

595
00:25:53.339 --> 00:25:56.579
He'll remember me and Wesley's like, no, we didn't remember you

596
00:25:56.579 --> 00:25:56.819
sir.

597
00:25:57.180 --> 00:25:59.759
The look on Picard's face.

598
00:25:59.819 --> 00:26:04.440
When Picard greets him in the observation lounge.

599
00:26:04.500 --> 00:26:08.640
He says he's talked to him in Latin, and it looks like the Latin

600
00:26:08.640 --> 00:26:11.759
means, how's your Latin going or what's your Latin like or

601
00:26:11.759 --> 00:26:12.059
something?

602
00:26:12.119 --> 00:26:15.539
And then he says something which I can't understand and then

603
00:26:15.539 --> 00:26:18.480
something kind of incomprehensible as well.

604
00:26:18.539 --> 00:26:22.920
And I found out what they were meant to be saying and the Latin is

605
00:26:22.920 --> 00:26:23.940
extremely bad.

606
00:26:24.000 --> 00:26:27.180
Oh, it's not by someone who knows any Latin at all.

607
00:26:27.240 --> 00:26:28.319
It's absolutely God.

608
00:26:28.380 --> 00:26:31.500
I think it's the same person who did all the, you know, Native

609
00:26:31.500 --> 00:26:32.940
American Chakotay stuff.

610
00:26:33.000 --> 00:26:33.960
Maybe.

611
00:26:34.019 --> 00:26:40.319
Well, initially, the Starfleet Academy motto was ex-Astra Scientia

612
00:26:40.319 --> 00:26:44.279
which means from the Star's knowledge, but it should be ex-Astris

613
00:26:44.279 --> 00:26:46.799
Scientia, and they have since changed it.

614
00:26:46.859 --> 00:26:49.920
Well, I don't buy so much, so the Latin's wrong because, you know

615
00:26:49.920 --> 00:26:50.640
I don't know Latin.

616
00:26:50.700 --> 00:26:54.240
What I do love is that Dr. Beverly goes, woo, when he says it.

617
00:26:55.259 --> 00:26:57.180
She's so impressed.

618
00:26:57.240 --> 00:27:02.160
But what I like about it is that it depicts Starfleet Academy as a

619
00:27:02.160 --> 00:27:04.200
place where you have to learn the humanities.

620
00:27:04.319 --> 00:27:05.880
It's not all science.

621
00:27:05.940 --> 00:27:08.579
He's got a creative writing teacher.

622
00:27:08.640 --> 00:27:12.660
So he does Latin, creative writing, anthropology, and organic

623
00:27:12.660 --> 00:27:13.619
chemistry.

624
00:27:13.680 --> 00:27:15.240
I think, I think, um...

625
00:27:15.240 --> 00:27:17.819
Well, I think...

626
00:27:17.880 --> 00:27:18.599
Exactly.

627
00:27:18.660 --> 00:27:19.740
I think that's great.

628
00:27:19.799 --> 00:27:20.640
I think that's amazing.

629
00:27:20.700 --> 00:27:24.420
You know, like it's kind of nice that my job still exists in the

630
00:27:24.420 --> 00:27:25.619
late 24th century.

631
00:27:25.740 --> 00:27:27.180
This whole thing, right.

632
00:27:27.240 --> 00:27:31.140
They keep they keep coming back to with Picard being a bit of a

633
00:27:31.140 --> 00:27:32.579
layabout at the academy.

634
00:27:32.640 --> 00:27:36.000
And so this conversation here about carving the letters AF into

635
00:27:36.000 --> 00:27:37.259
the elm tree and all of that.

636
00:27:37.319 --> 00:27:42.359
Like, when we go back, we have a tapestry, we go back and see

637
00:27:42.359 --> 00:27:43.980
Picard at the time.

638
00:27:44.039 --> 00:27:48.539
I just love the fact that the most bug up the butt character had a

639
00:27:48.539 --> 00:27:51.960
very, it was like Johnny Rotten back in the day, wasn't he?

640
00:27:52.019 --> 00:27:52.319
you know?

641
00:27:52.380 --> 00:27:55.500
Yeah, yeah They're never a bad boy. great.

642
00:27:56.039 --> 00:28:00.599
Oh, now that everyone's pretending to Captain Picard.

643
00:28:00.660 --> 00:28:01.859
Whoa, we don't know what's happened to him.

644
00:28:01.920 --> 00:28:03.420
It just fell over.

645
00:28:04.559 --> 00:28:07.980
Gaming complaining about a headache or something?

646
00:28:08.039 --> 00:28:08.880
can't remember.

647
00:28:08.940 --> 00:28:11.039
Obviously, I will keep saying it.

648
00:28:11.099 --> 00:28:14.160
Ghost McFadden's evil acting is just like a normal acting.

649
00:28:15.660 --> 00:28:19.319
Oh no, don't do a close-up on the tricorder.

650
00:28:19.380 --> 00:28:20.579
I love it.

651
00:28:20.640 --> 00:28:24.000
I want to pause. looks really cheap, doesn't it?

652
00:28:24.059 --> 00:28:24.660
It's amazing.

653
00:28:24.720 --> 00:28:27.779
It's the worst TV remote you've ever seen.

654
00:28:28.319 --> 00:28:30.660
Just doesn't have enough buttons.

655
00:28:30.660 --> 00:28:33.720
Has Geordie been seduced by the game yet or is it now?

656
00:28:33.779 --> 00:28:34.380
No.

657
00:28:34.380 --> 00:28:35.160
No.

658
00:28:35.220 --> 00:28:37.980
No, I think it'll happen at the end of this episode, do you

659
00:28:37.980 --> 00:28:38.160
think?

660
00:28:38.220 --> 00:28:41.099
Dr. Crusher's got everything under control.

661
00:28:41.460 --> 00:28:44.220
I've got a game.

662
00:28:44.279 --> 00:28:44.759
Is happening?

663
00:28:44.819 --> 00:28:49.920
The only moments in this where I was sort of like, oh, dear, was, I

664
00:28:49.920 --> 00:28:52.859
did send you a message about it, was when Dr. Beverly's having

665
00:28:52.859 --> 00:28:56.819
multiple orgasms, because of the game and Wesley walks in, I'm

666
00:28:56.819 --> 00:28:57.660
like, oh, no.

667
00:28:57.720 --> 00:29:01.019
It's when they're forcing people to have the orgasms, you know, and

668
00:29:01.019 --> 00:29:01.500
watching them.

669
00:29:01.559 --> 00:29:03.599
This is all a bit odd now.

670
00:29:04.440 --> 00:29:09.240
Yeah, so we're back to these guys and they are hitting it off, but

671
00:29:09.240 --> 00:29:10.259
they're hitting it off.

672
00:29:10.319 --> 00:29:11.339
Yeah.

673
00:29:11.400 --> 00:29:14.220
I mean, they are hitting off in the context of, I do too.

674
00:29:14.279 --> 00:29:16.500
I mean they usually all make a lot of sense.

675
00:29:16.559 --> 00:29:18.359
I mean, yeah, they're obvious, obviously.

676
00:29:18.420 --> 00:29:19.380
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

677
00:29:19.440 --> 00:29:22.380
But the pointers have to be based on them, don't you think?

678
00:29:22.440 --> 00:29:23.400
Oh, definitely.

679
00:29:23.460 --> 00:29:24.779
Blameless pointers.

680
00:29:25.859 --> 00:29:29.579
How many sets of rules and laws are there in Star Trek?

681
00:29:29.640 --> 00:29:31.019
We should count them up as we go.

682
00:29:31.079 --> 00:29:32.579
That's 3 at least so far.

683
00:29:32.640 --> 00:29:34.019
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

684
00:29:34.079 --> 00:29:34.740
Yeah, yeah.

685
00:29:34.980 --> 00:29:37.259
Oh, see, this is nice though.

686
00:29:37.319 --> 00:29:40.019
She knows friends at the academy that know Wesley.

687
00:29:40.079 --> 00:29:41.640
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

688
00:29:41.700 --> 00:29:45.000
It's really cute. and she would, you know, they would mention, like

689
00:29:45.000 --> 00:29:48.180
it makes sense. and now we do get to hear what he's doing.

690
00:29:48.240 --> 00:29:49.619
Yeah, I think that's nice.

691
00:29:49.680 --> 00:29:51.779
Half the story there. half the story here.

692
00:29:51.839 --> 00:29:52.500
Yeah, yeah.

693
00:29:52.559 --> 00:29:52.980
Yeah.

694
00:29:53.039 --> 00:29:56.519
You know, Brannan, I'll take it all back about those Voyager

695
00:29:56.519 --> 00:29:57.299
scripts, you know.

696
00:29:57.359 --> 00:29:58.559
Maybe you just got bored at the end.

697
00:29:58.619 --> 00:30:02.099
I think he probably, like, I don't know.

698
00:30:02.160 --> 00:30:04.200
I think...

699
00:30:04.259 --> 00:30:06.900
This is where this is where he's excited to be writing for Star

700
00:30:06.900 --> 00:30:07.380
Trek though.

701
00:30:07.440 --> 00:30:08.880
This is his 1st stance.

702
00:30:08.940 --> 00:30:09.180
Yeah.

703
00:30:09.240 --> 00:30:09.839
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

704
00:30:09.839 --> 00:30:13.500
And like, you know, he became known as that sort of weird horror

705
00:30:13.500 --> 00:30:14.400
man, didn't he?

706
00:30:14.460 --> 00:30:16.380
Phantasms and stuff like that.

707
00:30:16.440 --> 00:30:19.259
Just doing weird crazy shit with TNG.

708
00:30:19.319 --> 00:30:21.240
Tiny, whimey shit as well.

709
00:30:21.299 --> 00:30:24.180
Like he does the strange time, high concept things.

710
00:30:24.240 --> 00:30:25.380
And I think he does them very well.

711
00:30:25.440 --> 00:30:28.859
I liked his episodes in TNG.

712
00:30:28.920 --> 00:30:31.440
He started bringing them over to Voyager.

713
00:30:31.500 --> 00:30:32.880
He created the Vedians.

714
00:30:32.940 --> 00:30:34.920
He did Deadlock and things like that.

715
00:30:34.980 --> 00:30:38.099
And then I just think, oh, he was like, am I still writing Star

716
00:30:38.099 --> 00:30:38.579
Trek?

717
00:30:38.640 --> 00:30:39.000
Okay?

718
00:30:39.599 --> 00:30:40.980
Yeah.

719
00:30:41.039 --> 00:30:41.940
Alas.

720
00:30:42.000 --> 00:30:46.019
Let's do the Bork, babe, you know, that's how lazy you got.

721
00:30:47.220 --> 00:30:49.559
All right, here we go.

722
00:30:49.559 --> 00:30:51.000
There's something cluster.

723
00:30:51.059 --> 00:30:51.480
Where are we?

724
00:30:51.599 --> 00:30:53.880
I did, oh, oh, dear, no.

725
00:30:53.940 --> 00:30:56.099
Gates is slightly wrong.

726
00:30:56.160 --> 00:30:57.660
Stop having orgasms on the screen.

727
00:30:57.720 --> 00:31:01.980
Well, it's the 1st episode where someone walks in on her while

728
00:31:01.980 --> 00:31:05.339
she's flicking herself off and obviously the other one is sub-rosa

729
00:31:05.339 --> 00:31:06.480
which we've already done.

730
00:31:07.559 --> 00:31:12.599
The fact that it happens twice is unusual. upsetting.

731
00:31:12.660 --> 00:31:15.599
I mean, the 1st time it's Wesley, the 2nd time it's Picard, isn't

732
00:31:15.599 --> 00:31:15.720
it?

733
00:31:15.779 --> 00:31:16.680
The boss.

734
00:31:16.740 --> 00:31:17.460
Yeah, yeah.

735
00:31:17.519 --> 00:31:18.359
Super upsetting.

736
00:31:18.420 --> 00:31:21.240
Well, you know, like, can I ask you a question about orgasms?

737
00:31:21.359 --> 00:31:22.799
Yeah.

738
00:31:22.859 --> 00:31:24.480
Were you quite loud?

739
00:31:24.539 --> 00:31:25.920
Are you quite quiet?

740
00:31:25.980 --> 00:31:28.619
I don't sit there going...

741
00:31:28.680 --> 00:31:29.640
I'm fairly vocal.

742
00:31:29.700 --> 00:31:31.319
What's your mood?

743
00:31:31.380 --> 00:31:31.859
I don't know.

744
00:31:31.920 --> 00:31:35.819
Mind you, imagine if games were seen in yours in the next room.

745
00:31:35.819 --> 00:31:39.960
Imagine if she was screaming her head off like...

746
00:31:39.960 --> 00:31:43.319
We may not be PG-13 anymore.

747
00:31:43.500 --> 00:31:44.940
No.

748
00:31:46.259 --> 00:31:48.240
Yeah, yeah.

749
00:31:48.299 --> 00:31:49.019
I don't know.

750
00:31:49.079 --> 00:31:52.319
Like, this is you come back and your mother's a bit embarrassing

751
00:31:52.319 --> 00:31:55.380
and clingy, and I guess that kind of works.

752
00:31:55.440 --> 00:31:57.960
Um, God...

753
00:31:57.960 --> 00:31:59.940
Well, no, it works because of the 2 of them, right?

754
00:32:00.000 --> 00:32:03.059
They had 3.5 seasons to build...

755
00:32:03.119 --> 00:32:06.480
Well, actually, she was gone for one, 2.5 seasons to build up

756
00:32:06.480 --> 00:32:06.720
there.

757
00:32:06.779 --> 00:32:08.160
But do you know what's lovely now, right?

758
00:32:08.220 --> 00:32:10.799
Gates calls him her son on the podcast.

759
00:32:10.859 --> 00:32:11.940
All the time.

760
00:32:12.000 --> 00:32:14.519
They've just got this amazing relationship.

761
00:32:14.579 --> 00:32:17.339
And she acts like his mum, like in real life.

762
00:32:17.460 --> 00:32:18.240
It's lovely.

763
00:32:18.359 --> 00:32:18.960
Right, right.

764
00:32:19.019 --> 00:32:19.920
It's adorable.

765
00:32:19.980 --> 00:32:23.700
It is kind of sweet. suggestion that she makes that, you know, oh

766
00:32:23.700 --> 00:32:26.880
look, why don't you invite your date here and we can all play the

767
00:32:26.880 --> 00:32:28.259
game together. play the game.

768
00:32:28.319 --> 00:32:30.839
You kinky bitch. is wrong with you?

769
00:32:30.900 --> 00:32:32.339
I don't think that's that.

770
00:32:33.000 --> 00:32:34.920
No, I know that.

771
00:32:34.980 --> 00:32:36.599
I'm just giving my reading on it.

772
00:32:36.720 --> 00:32:42.539
But I think like he, the outfit that he decides on, I love her

773
00:32:42.539 --> 00:32:45.119
putting the game there somewhere really obvious and then working

774
00:32:45.119 --> 00:32:45.539
off.

775
00:32:45.599 --> 00:32:47.819
I'm just going to put it here in your line of science, which I

776
00:32:47.819 --> 00:32:48.480
think is...

777
00:32:48.480 --> 00:32:51.119
Oh my God, look, a moment of subtext where he looks confused.

778
00:32:51.180 --> 00:32:54.539
Oh, she wasn't behaving like my mom.

779
00:32:54.599 --> 00:32:58.200
And then he's decided on this fucking outfit that he's wearing.

780
00:32:58.259 --> 00:33:00.299
I do love her outfit.

781
00:33:00.359 --> 00:33:01.500
It's very 60s.

782
00:33:01.559 --> 00:33:05.519
You know, occasionally they do the sort of slight 60s thing as a

783
00:33:05.519 --> 00:33:09.180
kind of callback to Star Trek, you know, the original series.

784
00:33:09.180 --> 00:33:10.859
Everyone is closed from the 60s.

785
00:33:10.920 --> 00:33:15.119
Whoever invited those tape invented those tables with the light in

786
00:33:15.119 --> 00:33:15.960
the glass, yeah.

787
00:33:16.019 --> 00:33:19.079
I mean, everyone looks so photogenic when they're sitting around

788
00:33:19.079 --> 00:33:19.619
these tables.

789
00:33:19.680 --> 00:33:21.839
Someone should mass market these.

790
00:33:21.900 --> 00:33:26.099
Yeah, I think that the reason that we don't have tables like that

791
00:33:26.099 --> 00:33:30.119
is that it would be massively funky uncomfortable to be trying to

792
00:33:30.119 --> 00:33:31.140
eat your meal.

793
00:33:31.740 --> 00:33:33.660
But you look amazing.

794
00:33:34.140 --> 00:33:36.779
It's literally a story, right?

795
00:33:36.839 --> 00:33:40.559
of that Kate O'Mara tells when she was in dynasty in the 80s that

796
00:33:40.559 --> 00:33:44.579
they would go around with mirrors, reflecting light up their faces

797
00:33:44.579 --> 00:33:46.140
whilst they were on set.

798
00:33:46.259 --> 00:33:48.720
So they all look beautiful. lovely.

799
00:33:48.779 --> 00:33:51.119
Yeah. coming in it, you know.

800
00:33:51.299 --> 00:33:57.359
I love her delivery where this bit here where they start to talk

801
00:33:57.359 --> 00:33:59.099
about the game.

802
00:33:59.160 --> 00:34:02.400
I think that that's where things start to kick off, like they stop

803
00:34:02.400 --> 00:34:06.180
being awkward and they start to talk more normally.

804
00:34:06.180 --> 00:34:07.559
I mean, it's a bit distracting, though.

805
00:34:07.619 --> 00:34:09.420
That woman's climaxing there in the background.

806
00:34:09.659 --> 00:34:14.460
I think that they should be a little bit more unnerved by it.

807
00:34:14.519 --> 00:34:18.539
But it's this moment, you know, where they kind of go, let's go

808
00:34:18.539 --> 00:34:19.139
and find out.

809
00:34:19.199 --> 00:34:22.260
We're giant science nerds, let's do it.

810
00:34:22.320 --> 00:34:23.099
And I think that's pretty great.

811
00:34:23.159 --> 00:34:25.980
Can I just say something for the glass on this table?

812
00:34:26.039 --> 00:34:27.179
Don't do space glasses.

813
00:34:27.239 --> 00:34:29.280
That's just the most ridiculous.

814
00:34:29.340 --> 00:34:31.679
It looks like a fucking pipette, for God's sake.

815
00:34:31.739 --> 00:34:32.880
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

816
00:34:32.940 --> 00:34:36.840
But this is another one of these things where people sit down to a

817
00:34:36.840 --> 00:34:40.559
meal and never have it. at the end of the scene.

818
00:34:40.559 --> 00:34:41.400
It puts on the game.

819
00:34:41.519 --> 00:34:45.420
And the music's starting to get more ominous now, isn't it?

820
00:34:45.480 --> 00:34:46.860
You know, dun, dun, dun.

821
00:34:47.039 --> 00:34:50.159
I think this is really clever as well.

822
00:34:50.219 --> 00:34:55.559
So they have a program that mimics the human brain, so behaves

823
00:34:55.559 --> 00:34:58.679
like the human brain, and so they're able to experiment on the

824
00:34:58.679 --> 00:35:02.699
thing, and then they just talk about what the, you know, virtual

825
00:35:02.699 --> 00:35:05.039
brain that they've created in the computer does.

826
00:35:05.099 --> 00:35:08.519
And that seems smart and that seems, you know, future-y and

827
00:35:08.519 --> 00:35:08.760
stuff.

828
00:35:08.880 --> 00:35:12.360
Like it's tech technology that makes sense.

829
00:35:12.420 --> 00:35:14.519
He says the serotonin Neville's are way off.

830
00:35:14.579 --> 00:35:16.559
What's going on in the hippocampus?

831
00:35:16.619 --> 00:35:19.920
A higher reasoning levels are reduced.

832
00:35:19.980 --> 00:35:20.820
All that makes sense.

833
00:35:20.880 --> 00:35:21.599
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

834
00:35:21.659 --> 00:35:23.039
And that's why that we know.

835
00:35:23.099 --> 00:35:25.619
Okay, they've been brainwashed and it's a great feeling.

836
00:35:25.739 --> 00:35:29.099
I like the body language between the 2 of them.

837
00:35:29.159 --> 00:35:30.239
They lean into each other.

838
00:35:30.300 --> 00:35:31.320
They smile.

839
00:35:31.320 --> 00:35:34.440
It's just a little bit. good, isn't it?

840
00:35:34.500 --> 00:35:37.440
Well, otherwise, this is just a functional, we're telling you what

841
00:35:37.440 --> 00:35:38.519
this does, you know?

842
00:35:38.579 --> 00:35:43.199
But the scene is also doing the them getting on together and

843
00:35:43.199 --> 00:35:46.920
finding a project that they can work on together and it's where

844
00:35:46.920 --> 00:35:49.619
they really start to hit it off. you know, like they've got a

845
00:35:49.619 --> 00:35:50.639
thing to do together.

846
00:35:50.699 --> 00:35:52.079
They're little science nerds.

847
00:35:52.139 --> 00:35:53.940
They're not going to sit around making small talk.

848
00:35:54.000 --> 00:35:56.219
What you just said there about, you know, there should be more

849
00:35:56.219 --> 00:35:59.760
concerned, the 2nd scene in 10 forward when suddenly everyone's

850
00:35:59.760 --> 00:36:00.780
wearing the headsets.

851
00:36:00.840 --> 00:36:02.280
I think that's really well done.

852
00:36:02.340 --> 00:36:03.179
She's there on her own.

853
00:36:03.179 --> 00:36:07.619
And that interfering with back comes up to her going, oh, did you

854
00:36:07.619 --> 00:36:08.460
forget your game?

855
00:36:08.519 --> 00:36:11.039
Yeah, you can barrel mine.

856
00:36:11.099 --> 00:36:12.539
You know, like, oh fuck off.

857
00:36:13.139 --> 00:36:15.719
And they do a clever thing as well.

858
00:36:15.780 --> 00:36:17.099
They mock up dummies.

859
00:36:17.159 --> 00:36:19.500
So it looks like they're wearing the game.

860
00:36:19.559 --> 00:36:20.760
Yeah, yeah.

861
00:36:20.820 --> 00:36:23.219
I thought that bit of direction was fantastic.

862
00:36:23.280 --> 00:36:27.599
So he puts the game down on the table just off camera.

863
00:36:27.659 --> 00:36:28.679
Don't see it.

864
00:36:28.800 --> 00:36:30.360
That's what he's around.

865
00:36:30.420 --> 00:36:30.659
Yeah.

866
00:36:30.719 --> 00:36:33.960
And then he turns back around at the end and picks up the game and

867
00:36:33.960 --> 00:36:34.440
puts it on.

868
00:36:34.500 --> 00:36:35.159
Puts it on.

869
00:36:35.219 --> 00:36:38.519
So there's a little hint that he's already there, but it's not

870
00:36:38.519 --> 00:36:39.659
explicit.

871
00:36:39.719 --> 00:36:42.900
Because, I mean, the great thing about this is, of course, we saw

872
00:36:42.900 --> 00:36:46.199
him unaffected, the last time we saw him, we never saw him given

873
00:36:46.199 --> 00:36:47.219
the game by anyone.

874
00:36:47.280 --> 00:36:50.340
We did see it all set up with Riker.

875
00:36:50.400 --> 00:36:56.219
Um, you know, Troy and and and Bev, but we we never see him given

876
00:36:56.219 --> 00:36:57.000
the game at all.

877
00:36:57.059 --> 00:36:59.760
And he's the guy that you go to.

878
00:36:59.820 --> 00:37:04.079
And Wesley comes away from that, feeling reassured that it's all

879
00:37:04.079 --> 00:37:04.800
under control.

880
00:37:04.860 --> 00:37:07.199
And then he puts the game on.

881
00:37:07.260 --> 00:37:11.219
Just subtly different about Patrick Stewart's performance here.

882
00:37:11.280 --> 00:37:13.980
We're not talking about the past anymore.

883
00:37:14.039 --> 00:37:16.380
He's not smiling as much.

884
00:37:16.440 --> 00:37:18.900
There's a sort of relaxed necessarily.

885
00:37:18.960 --> 00:37:21.360
I don't know, it's very subtle, but it is definitely there.

886
00:37:21.480 --> 00:37:23.400
Yeah, yeah.

887
00:37:23.460 --> 00:37:26.940
And again, like he's just giving this dialogue that he was giving

888
00:37:26.940 --> 00:37:31.019
before, like the, the, he's telling Picard the stuff that he found

889
00:37:31.019 --> 00:37:32.340
out with Ashley Jard.

890
00:37:32.400 --> 00:37:34.800
But again, that's not the focus of the episode.

891
00:37:34.860 --> 00:37:37.739
It's not the information dump. what's going on between the 2

892
00:37:37.739 --> 00:37:39.420
characters in each case.

893
00:37:39.659 --> 00:37:42.480
See there, it's good to have you back again.

894
00:37:42.539 --> 00:37:46.739
I do like somebody who's, you know, I keep saying possessed is not

895
00:37:46.739 --> 00:37:47.340
quite possession.

896
00:37:47.400 --> 00:37:50.039
Somebody who's been brainwashed, who still has their

897
00:37:50.039 --> 00:37:50.880
characteristics.

898
00:37:50.940 --> 00:37:54.719
Because the rule number one of television, you are somebody to be

899
00:37:54.719 --> 00:37:57.420
possessed and they suddenly forget how to act.

900
00:37:57.480 --> 00:38:01.619
Yeah, which... evil car, isn't it?

901
00:38:01.679 --> 00:38:05.099
And it's absolutely a twilight zone scene, that one.

902
00:38:05.159 --> 00:38:07.440
It's so perfectly done Do you think they should have done a

903
00:38:07.440 --> 00:38:08.579
Twilight Zone ending then?

904
00:38:08.639 --> 00:38:11.400
where one person at the end puts a headset on.

905
00:38:11.460 --> 00:38:12.300
Still has the game.

906
00:38:12.300 --> 00:38:13.500
No.

907
00:38:13.559 --> 00:38:16.679
I mean, the thing about the Twilight Zone is it's an anthology

908
00:38:16.679 --> 00:38:18.719
show, so it can do that more readily.

909
00:38:18.840 --> 00:38:21.480
Or just that the danger's still there.

910
00:38:21.539 --> 00:38:22.139
I don't know.

911
00:38:22.199 --> 00:38:24.000
Yeah, that is kind of...

912
00:38:24.000 --> 00:38:27.300
We've already established that O'Brien Evil is actually quite

913
00:38:27.300 --> 00:38:29.039
menacing in power play, didn't we?

914
00:38:29.099 --> 00:38:30.360
Yeah, that's true.

915
00:38:30.420 --> 00:38:31.199
That is true.

916
00:38:31.739 --> 00:38:34.079
Yeah, it's funny, isn't it?

917
00:38:34.139 --> 00:38:35.880
We don't know who it is at this point, do we?

918
00:38:35.940 --> 00:38:37.559
Like, we haven't heard him say it.

919
00:38:37.559 --> 00:38:39.239
Irish accent.

920
00:38:39.300 --> 00:38:40.800
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

921
00:38:41.519 --> 00:38:44.219
Yeah, this is sort of slightly weird as well.

922
00:38:44.280 --> 00:38:48.000
This is a bit, they feel tenfold with a lot of extras and

923
00:38:48.000 --> 00:38:49.440
everybody is wearing a headset.

924
00:38:49.500 --> 00:38:50.340
Everyone has the game.

925
00:38:53.400 --> 00:38:55.260
Yeah, yeah, it's so we're okay.

926
00:38:55.320 --> 00:38:57.059
Everything will be all right.

927
00:38:57.119 --> 00:38:58.440
Oh, here she is.

928
00:38:58.500 --> 00:38:59.940
Did you forget your game?

929
00:39:00.780 --> 00:39:03.239
It's off, I think.

930
00:39:03.780 --> 00:39:05.699
She is great.

931
00:39:05.760 --> 00:39:07.440
Look how perturbed she looks.

932
00:39:07.559 --> 00:39:08.940
Wesley goes, we're all right, thank you.

933
00:39:09.000 --> 00:39:12.000
Yeah, she's minuscule too, that woman.

934
00:39:12.719 --> 00:39:16.440
I think I'm getting a bit of an obsession with these extras that

935
00:39:16.440 --> 00:39:17.579
have one or 2 lines.

936
00:39:17.639 --> 00:39:20.400
It's pretty great. you know, that lady.

937
00:39:20.460 --> 00:39:22.380
Yeah, she's true.

938
00:39:22.440 --> 00:39:25.260
They're holding hands as they walk off. you notice that?

939
00:39:25.320 --> 00:39:25.980
That's nice.

940
00:39:26.099 --> 00:39:27.960
Yeah, they're a nice couple.

941
00:39:28.019 --> 00:39:29.340
I agree.

942
00:39:29.400 --> 00:39:30.719
Okay.

943
00:39:30.780 --> 00:39:33.719
So pretty soon, it is just the 2 of them, isn't it?

944
00:39:33.780 --> 00:39:34.500
Is that now?

945
00:39:34.559 --> 00:39:35.639
I wouldn't reach that point.

946
00:39:35.760 --> 00:39:39.000
I know, I think we've reached the point where it is now just the 2

947
00:39:39.000 --> 00:39:42.300
of them, and then, of course, there's the big moment where it's

948
00:39:42.300 --> 00:39:44.880
just the one of them, which is obviously where it has to go.

949
00:39:44.940 --> 00:39:48.539
Wesley, what are you trying to do with those shoulder pads?

950
00:39:48.599 --> 00:39:49.139
I'm curious.

951
00:39:49.199 --> 00:39:50.400
They're really bad.

952
00:39:50.460 --> 00:39:53.820
Well, it sort of structures his body in a very odd way.

953
00:39:53.820 --> 00:39:56.639
Yeah, he's super skinny.

954
00:39:56.699 --> 00:39:58.260
I mean, he is a very young man.

955
00:39:58.320 --> 00:40:02.280
So we have this scene now to set up the solution in the climax.

956
00:40:02.340 --> 00:40:05.880
Wes is working on data, but we don't see him repair all the neural

957
00:40:05.880 --> 00:40:06.239
links.

958
00:40:06.300 --> 00:40:09.300
Yeah, there's enough to know that it happens.

959
00:40:10.019 --> 00:40:14.039
Yes, we can see him working sort of towards it, can't we?

960
00:40:14.099 --> 00:40:15.539
Because he's going to be unaffected.

961
00:40:15.599 --> 00:40:19.619
It is a surprise, though, because we have been following Wesley

962
00:40:19.619 --> 00:40:23.519
pretty much ever since he came on board, and so to have things

963
00:40:23.519 --> 00:40:26.940
happen that we don't see is a surprise to us.

964
00:40:27.000 --> 00:40:29.579
But I think it, you know, you're absolutely allowed to do that.

965
00:40:29.639 --> 00:40:31.739
I can't wait till we get to that bit.

966
00:40:31.800 --> 00:40:35.699
The fact that there's massive threats at the Federation is foiled

967
00:40:35.699 --> 00:40:38.760
by someone flashing a light in their faces.

968
00:40:39.179 --> 00:40:41.219
It's so shit.

969
00:40:41.280 --> 00:40:41.880
I love it.

970
00:40:41.940 --> 00:40:43.860
Awesome, isn't it?

971
00:40:44.940 --> 00:40:46.500
Oh, dear.

972
00:40:46.500 --> 00:40:47.820
He's figuring it out now.

973
00:40:47.880 --> 00:40:50.760
Come on, De La Forge. mother yeah, yeah.

974
00:40:50.820 --> 00:40:52.860
And my mother's been being a weirdo.

975
00:40:52.920 --> 00:40:54.119
Is that weird?

976
00:40:54.119 --> 00:40:57.239
Those few little wires on data there.

977
00:40:57.300 --> 00:41:01.500
Yeah, I reckon I could cut a wire on just about any computer and

978
00:41:01.500 --> 00:41:02.039
ruin it.

979
00:41:02.099 --> 00:41:04.980
Like, you know...

980
00:41:04.980 --> 00:41:06.239
I definitely don't like it.

981
00:41:06.300 --> 00:41:13.920
Yeah Yeah, the subtitle says eerie music playing.

982
00:41:17.039 --> 00:41:20.280
On my 2nd watch this, because I did watch it twice.

983
00:41:20.340 --> 00:41:21.239
It's so enjoyable.

984
00:41:21.300 --> 00:41:25.139
Um, I was sort of wax a miracle about the music to you.

985
00:41:25.199 --> 00:41:29.159
I actually think the music's only really great during the chase

986
00:41:29.159 --> 00:41:29.579
scene.

987
00:41:29.639 --> 00:41:32.400
It really ramps up during the chase.

988
00:41:32.460 --> 00:41:35.099
Otherwise, they're doing the usual, you know, in and out of the

989
00:41:35.099 --> 00:41:36.179
various acts.

990
00:41:36.300 --> 00:41:37.320
Yeah, break.

991
00:41:37.380 --> 00:41:38.400
Yeah, that's right.

992
00:41:38.460 --> 00:41:42.000
We'll call it the season 5 Berman house style.

993
00:41:42.719 --> 00:41:45.539
I really like that shot as well.

994
00:41:45.599 --> 00:41:47.460
I think this guy, Corey Allen.

995
00:41:47.519 --> 00:41:49.800
I think he does a really good job of the direction and stuff.

996
00:41:49.860 --> 00:41:51.300
This is pure...

997
00:41:51.300 --> 00:41:52.199
I love menacing.

998
00:41:52.260 --> 00:41:56.219
Is Dr. Berry coming and going, Wesley, are you there?

999
00:41:56.579 --> 00:42:00.960
I've got a lovely game for you and your girlfriend. brought

1000
00:42:00.960 --> 00:42:03.480
someone very large to make sure that you put it on.

1001
00:42:03.659 --> 00:42:07.320
Dr. Beverly, do not watch your son and his girlfriend having

1002
00:42:07.320 --> 00:42:08.699
multiple orgasms on the bed.

1003
00:42:09.360 --> 00:42:11.639
Slightly awkward, isn't it?

1004
00:42:16.019 --> 00:42:19.320
I mean, not explicitly say it is orgasms.

1005
00:42:19.380 --> 00:42:20.940
It's just the pleasure centres of the brain.

1006
00:42:21.059 --> 00:42:22.500
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1007
00:42:22.559 --> 00:42:23.639
What else are they for?

1008
00:42:23.699 --> 00:42:27.360
Chocolate and orgasms as this episode makes it completely clear.

1009
00:42:27.480 --> 00:42:28.380
Yeah.

1010
00:42:28.440 --> 00:42:33.360
So he's not fooled by the by the captain, which is kind of good.

1011
00:42:33.420 --> 00:42:34.619
And this is nice.

1012
00:42:34.619 --> 00:42:35.699
He knows that they're on their own.

1013
00:42:35.760 --> 00:42:40.380
They've got a plan, and then she goes off to do her bit, and then

1014
00:42:40.380 --> 00:42:43.380
the next time we see her, she's already, They've got her and she's

1015
00:42:43.380 --> 00:42:44.820
already had the game.

1016
00:42:44.880 --> 00:42:45.719
They've got her.

1017
00:42:45.840 --> 00:42:48.059
And but does he say there's something I want to try?

1018
00:42:48.119 --> 00:42:49.500
Do we follow him from here on?

1019
00:42:49.500 --> 00:42:52.139
Or do we get a break so he can do the things?

1020
00:42:52.199 --> 00:42:53.159
Yeah, here we go.

1021
00:42:53.219 --> 00:42:56.280
Do you know what's funny, though, is about that soon, where he

1022
00:42:56.280 --> 00:42:58.860
walks into engineering, watch her in the background.

1023
00:42:58.920 --> 00:43:01.559
She's got her head lopsided like a zombie.

1024
00:43:01.679 --> 00:43:03.059
Yeah, yeah, she looks really weird.

1025
00:43:03.119 --> 00:43:04.380
Oh, it's really great.

1026
00:43:04.619 --> 00:43:06.659
Will you look up, please?

1027
00:43:06.840 --> 00:43:09.179
Just the way that...

1028
00:43:09.239 --> 00:43:12.900
Yeah, so here's a weird thing I admitted to you before, Atana.

1029
00:43:12.960 --> 00:43:15.059
No wonder I thought she was Titania.

1030
00:43:15.119 --> 00:43:20.159
You know, I didn't realise she was the same woman as the...

1031
00:43:21.059 --> 00:43:24.780
I rely on you to be the observational one in this, all right?

1032
00:43:24.840 --> 00:43:27.119
Yeah, for ages I didn't realise.

1033
00:43:27.179 --> 00:43:28.679
I have known for some time.

1034
00:43:28.739 --> 00:43:29.820
Do you know what I mean?

1035
00:43:29.880 --> 00:43:30.960
Like for quite some time.

1036
00:43:31.019 --> 00:43:33.900
But initially when I saw it, because I mean, obviously I've

1037
00:43:33.900 --> 00:43:37.320
watched these episodes of series 5 of Star Trek, the Next

1038
00:43:37.320 --> 00:43:39.059
Generation, any number of times.

1039
00:43:39.119 --> 00:43:44.039
She's come, just dressed, sort of hell in her skin type black

1040
00:43:44.039 --> 00:43:44.639
outfit.

1041
00:43:44.699 --> 00:43:48.900
Her hair's tied back now and she talks like an evil English

1042
00:43:48.900 --> 00:43:50.219
dominatrix.

1043
00:43:50.280 --> 00:43:51.900
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1044
00:43:51.960 --> 00:43:54.780
She's not the silly giggly thing that she was in the 1st episode.

1045
00:43:54.840 --> 00:43:58.260
So this particular type of possession makes you all stand around

1046
00:43:58.260 --> 00:44:02.639
like you're doing the series 5 publicity shot.

1047
00:44:02.699 --> 00:44:07.199
Like, everyone turns around the bridge.

1048
00:44:07.260 --> 00:44:10.860
Like, just so that everyone can type of, you know.

1049
00:44:10.920 --> 00:44:11.880
That's right.

1050
00:44:11.940 --> 00:44:13.619
But that's the effect it has.

1051
00:44:13.679 --> 00:44:15.300
That guy checked out his crotch.

1052
00:44:15.360 --> 00:44:16.800
I don't know what's happening.

1053
00:44:16.860 --> 00:44:18.059
Wesley walked past?

1054
00:44:18.119 --> 00:44:19.860
The guy wearing the game, checked his dick out.

1055
00:44:19.860 --> 00:44:22.739
And they just looked back up and actually, nothing wrong with

1056
00:44:22.739 --> 00:44:22.980
that.

1057
00:44:23.039 --> 00:44:24.179
Oh my God.

1058
00:44:24.239 --> 00:44:26.400
She steals the whole episode.

1059
00:44:26.460 --> 00:44:27.659
Wesley.

1060
00:44:28.500 --> 00:44:30.119
I'm on level 97.

1061
00:44:33.119 --> 00:44:34.980
Oh, 47.

1062
00:44:35.159 --> 00:44:35.519
Sorry.

1063
00:44:35.579 --> 00:44:36.659
47.

1064
00:44:36.780 --> 00:44:37.199
Yeah, yeah.

1065
00:44:37.260 --> 00:44:41.280
She gives, honestly, a Gower gives the best orgasm in the house.

1066
00:44:41.340 --> 00:44:43.079
She literally goes...

1067
00:44:46.920 --> 00:44:50.400
She's a little bit wasted, isn't she?

1068
00:44:50.460 --> 00:44:56.460
If she was on DS9, she would have had an arc and development and

1069
00:44:56.460 --> 00:44:57.119
all sorts.

1070
00:44:57.179 --> 00:44:57.599
Yeah.

1071
00:44:57.960 --> 00:45:00.179
Brian, take her with you.

1072
00:45:00.239 --> 00:45:01.380
I know.

1073
00:45:01.380 --> 00:45:03.840
She could be for she's little mate. couldn't she?

1074
00:45:03.900 --> 00:45:05.340
Oh, look, here we go.

1075
00:45:05.400 --> 00:45:07.619
Ashley Judd doing her best acting.

1076
00:45:07.860 --> 00:45:09.480
Come on.

1077
00:45:09.539 --> 00:45:11.460
But again, I know it's so funny.

1078
00:45:11.519 --> 00:45:13.559
He's a bit preoccupied.

1079
00:45:13.619 --> 00:45:15.059
He's already done a thing.

1080
00:45:15.119 --> 00:45:17.820
He's already done all of the things that he was going to do, but

1081
00:45:17.820 --> 00:45:19.079
he doesn't tell us what they are.

1082
00:45:19.139 --> 00:45:22.860
So he did that while they were talking to Atana on the bridge.

1083
00:45:23.699 --> 00:45:25.380
There she is.

1084
00:45:25.440 --> 00:45:28.440
We have to realise before he does that, she's possessed, though

1085
00:45:28.440 --> 00:45:28.860
don't we?

1086
00:45:28.920 --> 00:45:30.539
For the scene to work.

1087
00:45:30.599 --> 00:45:34.440
Yeah, but the fact that he's looking like that and goes, Robin, is

1088
00:45:34.440 --> 00:45:34.800
something wrong?

1089
00:45:37.860 --> 00:45:42.599
I cannot explain to you how exciting this sequence was when I was

1090
00:45:42.599 --> 00:45:44.340
a nipper and it still is now.

1091
00:45:44.400 --> 00:45:46.199
It's great, isn't it?

1092
00:45:46.199 --> 00:45:51.119
Brilliant low angle shots, tracking shots. they do it all We have

1093
00:45:51.119 --> 00:45:51.960
seen this before.

1094
00:45:52.019 --> 00:45:56.039
Like I seem to remember like Roger Dana and his fabulous hair

1095
00:45:56.039 --> 00:45:58.800
running around the Enterprise in the hunted.

1096
00:45:58.920 --> 00:45:59.760
Remember that?

1097
00:45:59.820 --> 00:46:04.019
Oh, and what's the one where Captain Picard goes, Ori, we had a

1098
00:46:04.019 --> 00:46:05.099
little bit of...

1099
00:46:05.159 --> 00:46:05.760
What's that one called?

1100
00:46:06.059 --> 00:46:08.280
Is that later than this though?

1101
00:46:08.340 --> 00:46:09.300
Starship Mine?

1102
00:46:09.360 --> 00:46:11.400
I think it might be later. seven, I think.

1103
00:46:11.699 --> 00:46:16.980
But, but this, I think, is really, really great.

1104
00:46:17.039 --> 00:46:18.179
Getting Wesley to do it.

1105
00:46:18.239 --> 00:46:20.699
So he gets to be like a proper action hero.

1106
00:46:20.760 --> 00:46:21.300
He runs.

1107
00:46:21.360 --> 00:46:22.440
He's super smart.

1108
00:46:22.500 --> 00:46:25.320
He sets up a thing so that you know, they're distracted.

1109
00:46:25.380 --> 00:46:28.380
Look at Marina looking evilly. in her chair.

1110
00:46:28.440 --> 00:46:29.460
It is awesome.

1111
00:46:29.519 --> 00:46:30.719
Have a chocolate love.

1112
00:46:31.679 --> 00:46:35.579
Okay, I'll give Gates a little bit of credit, right?

1113
00:46:35.639 --> 00:46:38.880
There is one moment where she looks concerned for Wesley in the

1114
00:46:38.880 --> 00:46:40.980
middle of her sort of blankfaced evilness.

1115
00:46:41.400 --> 00:46:43.980
Look at that angle of the car.

1116
00:46:43.980 --> 00:46:45.300
That looks really great, doesn't it?

1117
00:46:45.360 --> 00:46:46.800
It's sort of a fish eye lens.

1118
00:46:46.800 --> 00:46:49.500
Like, yeah. you know, like it's an odd shot.

1119
00:46:49.559 --> 00:46:52.800
Again, I think it's just making the ship slightly more menacing.

1120
00:46:52.860 --> 00:46:56.519
There's a wonderful bit in a minute where he comes out of a lift

1121
00:46:56.519 --> 00:46:59.159
and then goes around the corner into the dark and people go past

1122
00:46:59.159 --> 00:47:02.760
and the music's proper twilight zone at that point.

1123
00:47:02.820 --> 00:47:07.320
But my favourite is where it goes, deck 27.

1124
00:47:07.500 --> 00:47:07.920
He there.

1125
00:47:08.039 --> 00:47:11.639
And then the next shot is Wesley, jumping down into the Jeffrey

1126
00:47:11.639 --> 00:47:12.059
Stoop.

1127
00:47:12.119 --> 00:47:13.559
It's good, isn't it?

1128
00:47:13.619 --> 00:47:15.239
It's a good edit.

1129
00:47:15.300 --> 00:47:16.800
It's exciting this bit.

1130
00:47:18.000 --> 00:47:20.099
Did you know he's the trumpets?

1131
00:47:20.460 --> 00:47:22.500
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1132
00:47:22.500 --> 00:47:25.980
You know, when he's at the door doing the controls, like, as if

1133
00:47:25.980 --> 00:47:27.179
that's the way to make them.

1134
00:47:27.239 --> 00:47:27.900
Oh, please open.

1135
00:47:27.960 --> 00:47:28.860
Come on, come on.

1136
00:47:29.519 --> 00:47:34.440
The trumpet is going. dot, dot, dot, dot, dot.

1137
00:47:34.440 --> 00:47:36.360
I was like, my God, they're really going for it.

1138
00:47:36.420 --> 00:47:37.980
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1139
00:47:38.039 --> 00:47:38.820
Here we go.

1140
00:47:38.880 --> 00:47:39.840
It's coming in a second.

1141
00:47:40.079 --> 00:47:42.719
Okay, so we're looking for him.

1142
00:47:42.840 --> 00:47:45.000
It's a truly...

1143
00:47:45.119 --> 00:47:48.360
Oh look, Paul Leffler still looking evil there in the reflection.

1144
00:47:49.260 --> 00:47:53.219
Again, that's sort of a good shot with all of their faces visible

1145
00:47:53.219 --> 00:47:54.360
in the panel.

1146
00:47:55.800 --> 00:47:59.400
Inexperienced actress doing possession there, maybe.

1147
00:47:59.460 --> 00:48:00.659
Yeah, probably.

1148
00:48:00.719 --> 00:48:04.320
Although the slightly lolling head in the in that previous scene

1149
00:48:04.320 --> 00:48:04.920
was pretty great.

1150
00:48:04.980 --> 00:48:07.800
Watch this tracking shot through the Jefferies tube.

1151
00:48:07.860 --> 00:48:08.400
It is great.

1152
00:48:08.639 --> 00:48:12.300
I love it Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1153
00:48:12.360 --> 00:48:15.599
It makes him seem like he's going fast, even though he's just

1154
00:48:15.599 --> 00:48:17.280
crawling down. mean, it's only.

1155
00:48:17.280 --> 00:48:18.119
It's not short.

1156
00:48:18.300 --> 00:48:19.440
I mean, look behind Wolf.

1157
00:48:19.500 --> 00:48:22.619
They're trying to suggest it goes way back into the distance.

1158
00:48:22.679 --> 00:48:26.340
Yeah, yeah, yeah. not very long, is Wharf trying to tear the doors

1159
00:48:26.340 --> 00:48:26.639
open.

1160
00:48:26.699 --> 00:48:28.559
Where's this at the controls?

1161
00:48:28.679 --> 00:48:30.960
The trumpets are sounding.

1162
00:48:31.019 --> 00:48:32.820
My God, there's amazing wins.

1163
00:48:32.880 --> 00:48:34.320
Yeah, that's right.

1164
00:48:34.380 --> 00:48:37.019
He does think if he uses both hands on the on the thing.

1165
00:48:37.079 --> 00:48:41.159
There we go And I really felt this short, looking through the

1166
00:48:41.159 --> 00:48:43.500
grating of them dragging him off.

1167
00:48:43.559 --> 00:48:45.059
Very scary as a kid.

1168
00:48:45.119 --> 00:48:46.500
Yeah, it's good.

1169
00:48:46.559 --> 00:48:50.159
It's probably good It's like they're really playing it for real

1170
00:48:50.159 --> 00:48:52.139
the stupid fucking premise.

1171
00:48:52.679 --> 00:48:54.960
It's wonderful, isn't it?

1172
00:48:55.019 --> 00:48:59.280
Well, imagine they went home and went, how did I score this job?

1173
00:48:59.280 --> 00:49:03.360
Like, I've been play acting shit all day.

1174
00:49:03.420 --> 00:49:06.539
He's doing such a good job and she's great.

1175
00:49:06.599 --> 00:49:09.480
That smile from...

1176
00:49:09.539 --> 00:49:10.199
Wesley.

1177
00:49:10.380 --> 00:49:12.239
Play the game.

1178
00:49:12.239 --> 00:49:14.639
Picard's grinning at him like a lunatic.

1179
00:49:14.699 --> 00:49:18.539
Where's like, Will's absolutely going for it as well?

1180
00:49:18.599 --> 00:49:20.400
Like he's properly selling the struggle.

1181
00:49:20.460 --> 00:49:21.840
He's doing a really good job.

1182
00:49:21.900 --> 00:49:23.460
This is kind of hard, though, isn't it?

1183
00:49:23.519 --> 00:49:24.239
When they hold open his eyes.

1184
00:49:24.300 --> 00:49:25.440
Yeah.

1185
00:49:25.500 --> 00:49:29.519
We're getting sort of clockwork orange thing from that, are we?

1186
00:49:29.579 --> 00:49:34.320
Can we just for a 2nd though, please, um, acknowledge, uh, uh

1187
00:49:34.320 --> 00:49:35.099
Titania.

1188
00:49:35.159 --> 00:49:36.900
Otherwise known as Etanas.

1189
00:49:36.960 --> 00:49:37.619
Etana.

1190
00:49:37.619 --> 00:49:42.239
Grand plan to bring the game to the Federation and take over all

1191
00:49:42.239 --> 00:49:43.800
of Starfleet with this thing.

1192
00:49:44.460 --> 00:49:48.539
See, that's the, I think that that's really great, right?

1193
00:49:48.599 --> 00:49:53.880
And I'll tell you why, because we get a sense of the kind of not

1194
00:49:53.880 --> 00:49:57.840
geopolitics, but galactic politics, a little bit from this show

1195
00:49:57.840 --> 00:50:01.980
and then very clearly from Deep Space 9, which creates this

1196
00:50:01.980 --> 00:50:05.400
picture of a galaxy where there's different empires and stuff, and

1197
00:50:05.400 --> 00:50:07.860
that there's war and that you wage war.

1198
00:50:07.920 --> 00:50:11.940
And so the idea that you could take over the federation with some

1199
00:50:11.940 --> 00:50:16.559
ridiculous high concept, thing like this seems now in retrospect

1200
00:50:16.559 --> 00:50:18.300
absolutely absurd.

1201
00:50:18.360 --> 00:50:21.719
But it's wonderful that this version of Star Trek is a version of

1202
00:50:21.719 --> 00:50:23.579
Star Trek where that's a possibility.

1203
00:50:23.639 --> 00:50:27.000
You know, that what's at stake is the entire federation might be

1204
00:50:27.000 --> 00:50:31.679
taken over by these dumb Walkmans or whatever, by the Apple. is

1205
00:50:31.679 --> 00:50:35.400
that you get an actor of the calibre of Patrick Stewart to say the

1206
00:50:35.400 --> 00:50:36.119
line as well.

1207
00:50:36.179 --> 00:50:37.920
I mean, what's going on?

1208
00:50:37.980 --> 00:50:41.039
And I did send you a message going, well, thank God.

1209
00:50:41.099 --> 00:50:46.559
The latest hideous threat to the Federation was averted because

1210
00:50:46.559 --> 00:50:47.820
data flashed a light.

1211
00:50:47.880 --> 00:50:49.800
Jesus Christ.

1212
00:50:49.800 --> 00:50:55.800
This is so funny though. the sort of the tiny little ship against

1213
00:50:55.800 --> 00:50:56.880
the enterprise.

1214
00:50:56.940 --> 00:50:59.219
Of course, when they were all possessed, It wasn't a problem.

1215
00:50:59.400 --> 00:51:01.260
No, well exactly.

1216
00:51:01.320 --> 00:51:03.119
She's very cross.

1217
00:51:03.119 --> 00:51:05.039
Explain yourself, Picard.

1218
00:51:05.039 --> 00:51:10.980
Picard basically goes, no, no, no, no, no.

1219
00:51:12.059 --> 00:51:14.880
Did you notice her eyes as well?

1220
00:51:14.940 --> 00:51:19.500
She has like goat's eyes, like weird shaped pupils.

1221
00:51:19.559 --> 00:51:22.980
The pre-title sequence, that close-up of her saying, it's a game.

1222
00:51:22.980 --> 00:51:26.400
They look beautiful, her contact. they're amazing.

1223
00:51:26.460 --> 00:51:27.480
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1224
00:51:27.539 --> 00:51:28.079
There they are.

1225
00:51:28.440 --> 00:51:32.099
I just can't help thinking how awkward they would be.

1226
00:51:32.159 --> 00:51:36.360
Marina's literally there going, man, no man, I'm really phoning in

1227
00:51:36.360 --> 00:51:36.840
this week.

1228
00:51:37.139 --> 00:51:39.420
Still getting my paycheque.

1229
00:51:40.739 --> 00:51:43.800
She's like, am I going to get a line anywhere?

1230
00:51:43.860 --> 00:51:44.099
No?

1231
00:51:44.159 --> 00:51:44.699
Okay.

1232
00:51:44.760 --> 00:51:45.719
Not in this.

1233
00:51:45.780 --> 00:51:46.920
No, no.

1234
00:51:46.980 --> 00:51:48.420
You had your scene, Marina.

1235
00:51:48.480 --> 00:51:52.199
You're contractually mandated scene and that's all you get.

1236
00:51:52.260 --> 00:51:54.300
Just stand around and look at the other people.

1237
00:51:54.780 --> 00:51:58.320
There are a handful of episodes she's not in at all, you know.

1238
00:51:58.380 --> 00:52:00.000
Yeah, 0 yeah, no, I know.

1239
00:52:00.059 --> 00:52:00.480
I know.

1240
00:52:01.920 --> 00:52:04.980
Well, that's that crisis averted then, Nathan?

1241
00:52:05.039 --> 00:52:05.820
That is.

1242
00:52:05.880 --> 00:52:08.400
Everything's fine, I think. laying a horse.

1243
00:52:08.460 --> 00:52:09.179
What a shame.

1244
00:52:10.500 --> 00:52:12.000
I know.

1245
00:52:12.059 --> 00:52:13.079
Maybe I would.

1246
00:52:13.079 --> 00:52:14.039
Actually, no, do you know what?

1247
00:52:14.099 --> 00:52:17.340
I think I would have liked a scene, just after the at the end, per

1248
00:52:17.340 --> 00:52:21.239
scene, on Starfleet headquarters, you know, of someone sitting and

1249
00:52:21.239 --> 00:52:24.599
going into their office and then putting on the game, you know

1250
00:52:24.599 --> 00:52:29.579
you'll be unsurprised to learn, I think, that Mariner plays it at

1251
00:52:29.579 --> 00:52:31.920
some point.

1252
00:52:31.980 --> 00:52:33.300
She's addicted, I think.

1253
00:52:33.420 --> 00:52:35.760
Well, I think it's just a thing now.

1254
00:52:35.820 --> 00:52:37.199
Everyone knows about the game.

1255
00:52:37.260 --> 00:52:38.039
Do you know what I mean?

1256
00:52:38.099 --> 00:52:39.900
That's a proper kiss.

1257
00:52:39.960 --> 00:52:40.679
I'm sorry.

1258
00:52:40.739 --> 00:52:42.840
Kisses in Star Trek are so chased normally.

1259
00:52:42.900 --> 00:52:45.780
That was an actual, I'm going to press my face against yours.

1260
00:52:45.840 --> 00:52:50.940
And so this is actually Judd's 1st on the screen kiss and Will

1261
00:52:50.940 --> 00:52:52.559
Wheaton does occasionally mention it.

1262
00:52:52.980 --> 00:52:54.539
Bless him.

1263
00:52:54.599 --> 00:52:57.480
Oh, the hog is gorgeous.

1264
00:52:57.539 --> 00:52:57.900
I do too.

1265
00:52:57.960 --> 00:53:00.420
I think the hug is really good and I think the kiss on the cheek

1266
00:53:00.420 --> 00:53:02.099
when he leaves is also really nice.

1267
00:53:02.159 --> 00:53:07.260
But he's doing there, what I do to my mock. nuzzling his face into

1268
00:53:07.260 --> 00:53:09.840
her neck and that. tender and lovely.

1269
00:53:09.900 --> 00:53:10.920
Yeah.

1270
00:53:10.980 --> 00:53:11.940
It's really good.

1271
00:53:12.000 --> 00:53:13.619
I kind of believe him, you know.

1272
00:53:13.679 --> 00:53:14.940
It would have been nice to see her again.

1273
00:53:15.000 --> 00:53:18.960
Well, and that's why I think that this is a good potential ending

1274
00:53:18.960 --> 00:53:24.059
and I guess if they're setting up the 1st duty, then this, you

1275
00:53:24.059 --> 00:53:27.539
know, the great thing that 1st duty does is a bit of a gut punch

1276
00:53:27.539 --> 00:53:31.679
given where we left him, which was having fun at the academy.

1277
00:53:31.739 --> 00:53:34.139
He's, you know, had his 1st love.

1278
00:53:34.199 --> 00:53:35.280
It's working really well.

1279
00:53:35.340 --> 00:53:36.059
We like her.

1280
00:53:36.119 --> 00:53:39.059
You know, he even gets to add to her laws.

1281
00:53:39.119 --> 00:53:42.000
It just looks like the shittiest fucking desk calendar. doesn't

1282
00:53:42.000 --> 00:53:42.119
it?

1283
00:53:42.179 --> 00:53:46.440
Like that... doing close-ups on the tech, right?

1284
00:53:46.500 --> 00:53:47.940
Tech agent.

1285
00:53:48.000 --> 00:53:48.900
It's not even tech.

1286
00:53:48.960 --> 00:53:50.159
It's not even tech.

1287
00:53:50.219 --> 00:53:52.440
It's like it's literally like a desk calendar.

1288
00:53:52.559 --> 00:53:53.340
It's a bag.

1289
00:53:53.400 --> 00:53:56.519
Like under perspect.

1290
00:53:56.519 --> 00:53:57.840
Oh, look at that wall behind you.

1291
00:53:57.960 --> 00:53:59.159
It looks so thin, doesn't it?

1292
00:53:59.219 --> 00:54:01.380
It's very lavish.

1293
00:54:02.099 --> 00:54:05.400
It's like an expensive hotel.

1294
00:54:05.460 --> 00:54:06.659
Oh my gosh.

1295
00:54:07.619 --> 00:54:10.739
H 14, I mean, I was so jealous of Ashley Judd.

1296
00:54:11.280 --> 00:54:14.940
Wesley, press your lips against my chin, please.

1297
00:54:16.860 --> 00:54:19.500
That was so wonderful.

1298
00:54:19.920 --> 00:54:23.519
I think there's a subset of TNG episodes right.

1299
00:54:23.579 --> 00:54:27.960
The wacky premise, but really fun.

1300
00:54:28.019 --> 00:54:30.360
Now, there are wacky premises like Genesis.

1301
00:54:30.420 --> 00:54:32.159
I didn't think that was very funny, Vama.

1302
00:54:32.219 --> 00:54:32.699
I know you did.

1303
00:54:32.760 --> 00:54:36.059
But I'm putting disaster in there.

1304
00:54:36.119 --> 00:54:42.900
I'm putting Rascals in there. in its better moments.

1305
00:54:42.960 --> 00:54:44.099
A fist full of daters.

1306
00:54:44.219 --> 00:54:46.199
You know, that sort of thing.

1307
00:54:46.260 --> 00:54:49.980
And they don't, maybe like they do 2 a year or something like that

1308
00:54:49.980 --> 00:54:50.340
you know.

1309
00:54:50.400 --> 00:54:55.199
But that whilst they're probably not the best episodes of those

1310
00:54:55.199 --> 00:54:55.559
years.

1311
00:54:55.920 --> 00:54:58.260
They're some of my favourites.

1312
00:54:58.320 --> 00:54:59.219
They're some of the most fun.

1313
00:54:59.280 --> 00:55:02.280
And I absolutely have to think, and you know, like it's now

1314
00:55:02.280 --> 00:55:07.079
impossible after years of, you know, whatever it is that we've

1315
00:55:07.079 --> 00:55:07.559
been through.

1316
00:55:07.679 --> 00:55:11.460
It's impossible to imagine what it's like to be someone who was

1317
00:55:11.460 --> 00:55:14.820
vaguely interested in Star Trek or watched a few episodes when it

1318
00:55:14.820 --> 00:55:17.820
was on in the 80s and 90s.

1319
00:55:17.880 --> 00:55:22.139
But that has to be one of the episodes that people remember, don't

1320
00:55:22.139 --> 00:55:22.380
you think?

1321
00:55:22.440 --> 00:55:24.840
Like the game like this episode again and again.

1322
00:55:24.900 --> 00:55:26.340
Oh, I did too.

1323
00:55:26.400 --> 00:55:27.239
I did too.

1324
00:55:27.300 --> 00:55:30.659
But you have to think that that high concept thing, like that's

1325
00:55:30.659 --> 00:55:37.199
what people just normies thought Star Trek was like, and, you know

1326
00:55:37.199 --> 00:55:40.980
unfortunately they weren't always right, but it is, I think, you

1327
00:55:40.980 --> 00:55:43.260
know, like seriously properly topped tier.

1328
00:55:43.320 --> 00:55:48.059
I think, you know, last week we talked a little bit about Star

1329
00:55:48.059 --> 00:55:51.239
Trek fans and science fiction fans, kind of weird relationship

1330
00:55:51.239 --> 00:55:52.619
with the Ridiculous.

1331
00:55:52.679 --> 00:55:56.760
Um, and, you know, when people say, oh, you know, what's the best

1332
00:55:56.760 --> 00:56:01.380
episode, it's like very serious things, you know, very serious and

1333
00:56:01.380 --> 00:56:05.280
important and gritty things, but I think that this is easily one

1334
00:56:05.280 --> 00:56:09.900
of the best episodes, because it's so good, it's so well told, it's

1335
00:56:09.900 --> 00:56:13.380
fun and funny. you know, it plays on what's great about the

1336
00:56:13.380 --> 00:56:16.679
characters, it gives Wesley a lovely ending.

1337
00:56:16.800 --> 00:56:20.639
Surely the purpose of television is too diverse to entertain

1338
00:56:20.639 --> 00:56:21.300
right?

1339
00:56:21.360 --> 00:56:23.159
Sorry, it shouldn't be worthy.

1340
00:56:23.219 --> 00:56:24.659
It shouldn't be dictatorial.

1341
00:56:24.719 --> 00:56:28.679
It should be something that's a pleasure to watch I think it

1342
00:56:28.679 --> 00:56:30.480
should sometimes be worthy.

1343
00:56:30.480 --> 00:56:33.480
And I think sometimes it should tell you things and sometimes it

1344
00:56:33.480 --> 00:56:36.659
should make a and sometimes it should make you feel sad or

1345
00:56:36.659 --> 00:56:39.000
whatever or make you cry.

1346
00:56:39.059 --> 00:56:40.860
All of those things...

1347
00:56:40.920 --> 00:56:43.980
Say, get off your phones, everybody, you know, and have lovely

1348
00:56:43.980 --> 00:56:45.960
romances instead. exactly.

1349
00:56:46.019 --> 00:56:46.679
That's right.

1350
00:56:46.739 --> 00:56:50.280
I mean, this is a few weeks after Darmok, I think, or very soon

1351
00:56:50.280 --> 00:56:51.360
after Darmok.

1352
00:56:51.420 --> 00:56:55.019
You know, and Darmok is brilliant and, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1353
00:56:55.139 --> 00:56:58.320
But again, disaster is another high concept one that I think

1354
00:56:58.320 --> 00:57:02.820
everyone at home remembers because, you know, I'll tell you, I

1355
00:57:02.820 --> 00:57:08.699
tell you a single line of tedious techna bubble in Star Trek in

1356
00:57:08.699 --> 00:57:09.539
the next generation.

1357
00:57:09.599 --> 00:57:12.900
However, I can quote Push Geiko.

1358
00:57:12.960 --> 00:57:13.500
Push.

1359
00:57:13.559 --> 00:57:15.480
I'm trying.

1360
00:57:15.480 --> 00:57:16.380
I am pushing.

1361
00:57:16.440 --> 00:57:19.860
He's my number one dad in Rascals.

1362
00:57:19.920 --> 00:57:21.420
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1363
00:57:21.480 --> 00:57:22.019
Yeah.

1364
00:57:22.019 --> 00:57:24.420
And half, you know?

1365
00:57:24.480 --> 00:57:27.000
relish every bite, you know.

1366
00:57:27.059 --> 00:57:28.320
So good.

1367
00:57:28.380 --> 00:57:29.579
So much fun.

1368
00:57:29.639 --> 00:57:32.880
Explain yourself, Picard, you know.

1369
00:57:33.300 --> 00:57:38.820
What we're saying is, you know, less speech is more camp.

1370
00:57:38.880 --> 00:57:39.780
Yeah, more fun.

1371
00:57:39.840 --> 00:57:40.679
More fun.

1372
00:57:46.800 --> 00:57:50.820
All right, it's the end of the episode and it is time for us to

1373
00:57:50.820 --> 00:57:52.500
work out where we're going next.

1374
00:57:52.559 --> 00:57:55.860
We've had a good couple of episodes, so I think it's probably my

1375
00:57:55.860 --> 00:57:57.900
turn to come along and ruin it.

1376
00:57:58.019 --> 00:58:01.019
I'm not going to pick Enterprise, though.

1377
00:58:01.079 --> 00:58:01.619
Good.

1378
00:58:01.619 --> 00:58:10.679
I've been looking at the ones that we are low in coverage of.

1379
00:58:10.800 --> 00:58:12.360
Now, could I ask you a question about that, though?

1380
00:58:12.420 --> 00:58:15.420
Well, because you, well, you say it's low in coverage, low in

1381
00:58:15.420 --> 00:58:19.380
percentage, but like the percentage of a show where there's 50

1382
00:58:19.380 --> 00:58:23.400
episodes and the percentage of a show where there's 179 episodes

1383
00:58:23.400 --> 00:58:25.739
doesn't that throw that out a bit?

1384
00:58:25.800 --> 00:58:28.679
No, but the thing is, right?

1385
00:58:28.739 --> 00:58:33.360
At the moment we are just about, we're at the point where we've

1386
00:58:33.360 --> 00:58:36.780
done about a 6th of the existing Star Trek episodes.

1387
00:58:36.840 --> 00:58:39.539
We do the work, so you don't have to.

1388
00:58:39.599 --> 00:58:40.739
We do.

1389
00:58:40.800 --> 00:58:46.260
But what ends up happening is, unless we stay at a roundabout that

1390
00:58:46.260 --> 00:58:51.179
percentage on all of the shows, regardless of their length, at

1391
00:58:51.179 --> 00:58:53.099
some point we run out of some shows.

1392
00:58:53.159 --> 00:58:54.539
Right.

1393
00:58:54.659 --> 00:58:55.440
Yeah.

1394
00:58:55.500 --> 00:58:57.539
So the percentage is an important metric.

1395
00:58:57.599 --> 00:58:59.880
We need to stay near the percentage.

1396
00:58:59.940 --> 00:59:06.000
Now, there are still some shows that are below that percentage, and

1397
00:59:06.000 --> 00:59:09.599
one of the reasons that I keep choosing enterprises, that's one of

1398
00:59:09.599 --> 00:59:09.900
those.

1399
00:59:10.019 --> 00:59:12.659
And in fact, Star Trek the Next Generation is two.

1400
00:59:12.840 --> 00:59:15.900
You going to put them all in then, all the low ones?

1401
00:59:15.960 --> 00:59:21.420
No, I think that I want to do one that we haven't done for a bit.

1402
00:59:21.480 --> 00:59:26.159
Uh, and so we're going to do a Star Trek discovery episode.

1403
00:59:26.219 --> 00:59:28.079
Oh, okay.

1404
00:59:28.139 --> 00:59:29.340
Yeah.

1405
00:59:29.699 --> 00:59:34.380
Okay, so I am going to press the button.

1406
00:59:37.440 --> 00:59:43.019
Season 2, episode 13, Such sweet sorrow.

1407
00:59:43.079 --> 00:59:46.139
We just say we wanted to do season two, didn't we?

1408
00:59:46.199 --> 00:59:51.840
Now, the thing is that such sweet sorrow is a two-parter.

1409
00:59:51.960 --> 00:59:53.219
Ah.

1410
00:59:53.699 --> 00:59:56.280
So it's the finale.

1411
00:59:56.340 --> 00:59:59.639
Oh boy, is the 1st half that one where they're all saying they

1412
00:59:59.639 --> 01:00:00.119
love each other?

1413
01:00:00.179 --> 01:00:01.860
It is...

1414
01:00:02.039 --> 01:00:03.539
Oh, please, can we do it, please?

1415
01:00:05.699 --> 01:00:07.920
Yeah, well, maybe.

1416
01:00:07.920 --> 01:00:14.519
I, like, I don't know, like, I just have it, so it is, so it is a

1417
01:00:14.519 --> 01:00:15.360
two-parter.

1418
01:00:15.420 --> 01:00:21.000
So it's such sweet sorrow and such sweet sorrow, part two, and

1419
01:00:21.000 --> 01:00:24.300
they were released a week apart.

1420
01:00:24.360 --> 01:00:26.219
So it's the big two part finale.

1421
01:00:26.280 --> 01:00:30.840
I have very, very strong memories of being extremely angry for

1422
01:00:30.840 --> 01:00:31.559
most of it.

1423
01:00:31.619 --> 01:00:36.659
Um, and I'll talk to you about why when that happens.

1424
01:00:36.719 --> 01:00:39.599
I mean, jamma makes that sound enticing.

1425
01:00:39.659 --> 01:00:43.739
Listen to this, an hour of extreme earnestness featuring grand

1426
01:00:43.739 --> 01:00:48.059
gestures of selflessness, last minute family reunions, naked

1427
01:00:48.059 --> 01:00:51.900
sentimentality, and lots of tearful goodbyes.

1428
01:00:51.960 --> 01:00:54.000
I mean, they really laid it on thick here.

1429
01:00:54.059 --> 01:00:55.139
That sounds delightful.

1430
01:00:55.260 --> 01:00:58.800
Yeah, it's a little bit much, I actually think.

1431
01:00:58.860 --> 01:01:02.699
And if you're saying that, because you can take a lot of, a lot of

1432
01:01:02.699 --> 01:01:03.179
that.

1433
01:01:04.019 --> 01:01:04.199
Yeah.

1434
01:01:04.260 --> 01:01:04.679
Yeah.

1435
01:01:04.739 --> 01:01:08.340
So I have this theory, you know, like, and I'll talk about it next

1436
01:01:08.340 --> 01:01:08.639
week.

1437
01:01:08.699 --> 01:01:13.139
Obviously that part of the problem is that they discover that they

1438
01:01:13.139 --> 01:01:15.119
have a really great lead actor.

1439
01:01:15.179 --> 01:01:19.800
Uh, and so they make her do emoting because she does it really

1440
01:01:19.800 --> 01:01:24.539
incredibly well, but I think it undermines the character a little

1441
01:01:24.539 --> 01:01:27.539
bit and that it becomes a little bit mawkish.

1442
01:01:27.599 --> 01:01:31.619
And you remember how relieved we were when we got to the future

1443
01:01:31.619 --> 01:01:35.340
and she started to have fun sometimes, you know, that it wasn't

1444
01:01:35.340 --> 01:01:36.960
always so terrible.

1445
01:01:37.079 --> 01:01:41.039
And because they gave her that dreadful, horrific backstory about

1446
01:01:41.039 --> 01:01:45.000
you know, her mother being repeatedly assaulted by Klingons while

1447
01:01:45.000 --> 01:01:48.480
she was in the other room, which is just too much, like yark.

1448
01:01:48.539 --> 01:01:52.019
Um, it all became a little bit March.

1449
01:01:52.139 --> 01:01:55.860
Remember in series 3, episode one, when she was on all that

1450
01:01:55.860 --> 01:01:57.480
cocaine or whatever she was on?

1451
01:01:57.539 --> 01:01:58.619
I'm having a great time.

1452
01:01:58.679 --> 01:02:02.039
Just laughing her head before the entire, well, more of this

1453
01:02:02.039 --> 01:02:02.280
place.

1454
01:02:02.340 --> 01:02:06.179
I mean, I know it means we don't get to press the button too much

1455
01:02:06.179 --> 01:02:09.480
but we haven't, this is a new furrow for us to plough.

1456
01:02:09.599 --> 01:02:10.800
Yeah, that's true.

1457
01:02:10.860 --> 01:02:11.400
That is true.

1458
01:02:11.460 --> 01:02:13.380
And I'm up for doing a two-parter.

1459
01:02:13.440 --> 01:02:16.440
And, you know, I'd like quite, I don't even remember how this

1460
01:02:16.440 --> 01:02:17.039
season ends.

1461
01:02:17.159 --> 01:02:19.199
So it'll be sort of new to me.

1462
01:02:19.260 --> 01:02:21.480
It is kind of a bit new.

1463
01:02:21.539 --> 01:02:26.639
So we did do series 2, episode 8 if memory serves, which was

1464
01:02:26.639 --> 01:02:28.079
really quite boring.

1465
01:02:28.139 --> 01:02:31.800
But that's the only one that we've done this season.

1466
01:02:31.860 --> 01:02:35.400
So it's parts 13 and 14 backwards.

1467
01:02:35.460 --> 01:02:38.639
Give us a chance to talk about the, you know, the beginnings of

1468
01:02:38.639 --> 01:02:39.900
Strange New Worlds as well.

1469
01:02:39.960 --> 01:02:40.860
Yep.

1470
01:02:40.920 --> 01:02:41.760
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1471
01:02:41.820 --> 01:02:42.539
Yeah, that's right.

1472
01:02:42.599 --> 01:02:45.239
It's got some of the cars from Strange New Worlds in it.

1473
01:02:45.300 --> 01:02:46.500
So that's kind of fun as well.

1474
01:02:46.559 --> 01:02:48.780
So, you know, it's too long episodes, but there's a lot of talking

1475
01:02:48.780 --> 01:02:49.199
points.

1476
01:02:49.260 --> 01:02:50.760
Yeah, all right.

1477
01:02:50.820 --> 01:02:51.480
I think we'll do it.

1478
01:02:51.539 --> 01:02:55.079
I just want to hear you be angry at Discovery. all.

1479
01:02:55.800 --> 01:02:59.639
I love discovery, but I was really angry.

1480
01:03:07.260 --> 01:03:11.280
You've been listening to Untitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford

1481
01:03:11.280 --> 01:03:12.599
and Nathan Bottomley.

1482
01:03:12.659 --> 01:03:16.559
We're online at untitledstar trekproject.com where you can find

1483
01:03:16.559 --> 01:03:19.559
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1484
01:03:19.619 --> 01:03:23.820
Our podcast artworkers by Kayla Ciceran, and the theme was

1485
01:03:23.820 --> 01:03:25.679
composed by Cameron Lamb.

1486
01:03:25.739 --> 01:03:30.300
This episode was recorded on the 4th of March, 2025, and released

1487
01:03:30.300 --> 01:03:31.800
on the 14th of March.

1488
01:03:31.860 --> 01:03:36.599
We'll see you next time for Star Trek Discovery, Such Sweet Sorrow

1489
01:03:36.599 --> 01:03:38.820
and Such Sweet Sorrow, part two.

1490
01:03:53.940 --> 01:03:55.380
Okay, this is gonna be fun.

1491
01:03:57.119 --> 01:03:58.860
Fucking hell.

1492
01:03:58.920 --> 01:04:01.199
Gates book faden's possessed acting.

1493
01:04:01.260 --> 01:04:02.699
Yeah, Jesus Christ.

1494
01:04:02.760 --> 01:04:04.139
She's like this.

1495
01:04:05.760 --> 01:04:08.940
I'm trying to find a scene.

1496
01:04:09.000 --> 01:04:14.099
So, 4 shades of green.

1497
01:04:14.159 --> 01:04:18.780
I've got a choice between the hug, which is just because they're

1498
01:04:18.780 --> 01:04:21.719
not facing one under their faces aren't in it, but it's tandy

1499
01:04:21.719 --> 01:04:24.059
hugging Rutherford, which is kind of nice.

1500
01:04:24.119 --> 01:04:27.599
But there's also a really great picture of Tandy in the foreground

1501
01:04:27.599 --> 01:04:31.440
looking at the camera and then 2 of the Blue Orians behind her.

1502
01:04:31.500 --> 01:04:32.880
Do you know what I mean?

1503
01:04:32.940 --> 01:04:36.360
And she just seems like she owns a thing, like, which I think I'm

1504
01:04:36.360 --> 01:04:37.019
probably going to go with.

1505
01:04:37.800 --> 01:04:39.780
I do love the hug.

1506
01:04:39.840 --> 01:04:41.219
But yeah, that...

1507
01:04:41.280 --> 01:04:42.480
Yeah, I love the hug too.

1508
01:04:42.539 --> 01:04:45.239
But the other, the other one is actually a pretty good, like an it

1509
01:04:45.239 --> 01:04:46.019
spoil, for sure.

1510
01:04:46.019 --> 01:04:47.340
This one.

1511
01:04:47.400 --> 01:04:54.000
Well, so this one, it was difficult getting a picture with Will

1512
01:04:54.000 --> 01:04:57.179
and Ashley's face is in the same shot.

1513
01:04:58.139 --> 01:05:00.119
Can't you just have?

1514
01:05:00.119 --> 01:05:02.579
No, it's like out, having an orgasm in the turbo lift.

1515
01:05:02.639 --> 01:05:04.139
That's another option.

1516
01:05:04.199 --> 01:05:05.400
You know, I feel like that.

1517
01:05:05.400 --> 01:05:07.260
We talk about that scene so much.

1518
01:05:08.400 --> 01:05:11.699
Just her.

1519
01:05:11.699 --> 01:05:19.500
It's a little bit like how the only possible picture for quality

1520
01:05:19.500 --> 01:05:25.860
of life was the Geordie saying, yes, Drake meme, you know, like

1521
01:05:25.860 --> 01:05:30.780
the, you know, even though it doesn't have an XO comp in it, some

1522
01:05:30.780 --> 01:05:31.920
things are just inevitable.

1523
01:05:31.980 --> 01:05:32.639
Yeah.

1524
01:05:33.000 --> 01:05:36.960
I always want to not choose the one that they have on memory alpha

1525
01:05:36.960 --> 01:05:38.579
that's super important, but otherwise.

1526
01:05:38.639 --> 01:05:40.320
Oh, I figure.

1527
01:05:40.380 --> 01:05:43.739
And due consideration is always given to the image.

1528
01:05:44.760 --> 01:05:49.320
Yep, I go through and watch it and take a whole bunch of snaps.

1529
01:05:49.380 --> 01:05:52.139
It's like startling Barbara Bane where I just write lots of time

1530
01:05:52.139 --> 01:05:53.400
stamps when I'm watching it.

1531
01:05:53.460 --> 01:05:55.559
It's like, oh, she's got a great facial expression here.

1532
01:05:55.619 --> 01:05:58.139
Oh, there's Barbara there pulling a face.

1533
01:05:58.199 --> 01:05:59.280
No, I've just looked.

1534
01:05:59.340 --> 01:05:59.760
Yeah.

1535
01:05:59.820 --> 01:06:05.639
And the opening run of this season is fucking normal.

1536
01:06:06.239 --> 01:06:10.619
Ensign Rowe, disaster, the game.

1537
01:06:10.679 --> 01:06:14.219
I mean, I think unification's a bit flawed, but it's still

1538
01:06:14.219 --> 01:06:14.880
memorable.

1539
01:06:14.940 --> 01:06:16.139
Silicon Avatar in that?

1540
01:06:16.199 --> 01:06:17.760
Yeah, Silicon Avatar as well.

1541
01:06:18.420 --> 01:06:23.639
It's the 2nd half of the season that sort of, you get, yeah, new

1542
01:06:23.639 --> 01:06:26.579
ground, which is that bore, matter of time, which I thought was

1543
01:06:26.579 --> 01:06:30.539
all right, but it was, it wasn't as great. violation, spit

1544
01:06:30.539 --> 01:06:34.440
problematic, masterpiece society, power play.

1545
01:06:34.500 --> 01:06:37.019
We weren't that, we thought it was all right, you know?

1546
01:06:37.079 --> 01:06:38.219
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's okay.

1547
01:06:38.340 --> 01:06:40.440
So, like, the opening run is...

1548
01:06:40.440 --> 01:06:41.579
It must be the beginning.

1549
01:06:41.639 --> 01:06:42.480
Yeah the opening run.

1550
01:06:42.539 --> 01:06:46.559
Oh, the last run is pretty good as well.

1551
01:06:46.619 --> 01:06:47.820
Cause and Effect is great.

1552
01:06:47.940 --> 01:06:49.800
First duties after that.

1553
01:06:49.860 --> 01:06:51.900
Cost of living is after that.

1554
01:06:51.960 --> 01:06:53.699
That's pretty good.

1555
01:06:53.760 --> 01:06:54.659
Oh, Mr. Wolf.

1556
01:06:57.719 --> 01:07:00.780
Again, Star Trek being ridiculous, you know, fun way.

1557
01:07:00.840 --> 01:07:04.440
It's a good time for Trek. is a good time for Trek.

1558
01:07:04.500 --> 01:07:04.800
Yeah.

1559
01:07:04.860 --> 01:07:06.000
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1560
01:07:07.199 --> 01:07:08.760
All right.

1561
01:07:08.820 --> 01:07:09.599
Should we do it?

1562
01:07:09.659 --> 01:07:10.139
What do you think?

1563
01:07:10.199 --> 01:07:13.500
It's not just, you know, in Voyager, when they're trying to

1564
01:07:13.500 --> 01:07:15.719
recapture the magic that happened here.

1565
01:07:15.840 --> 01:07:16.320
Yeah.

1566
01:07:16.380 --> 01:07:23.099
It's not just, I don't know, you can't just copy the ideas, right?

1567
01:07:23.159 --> 01:07:28.679
Like something happened here that was... that just merged.

1568
01:07:28.739 --> 01:07:31.619
I know it took ages to get there and they kind of forgot how to do

1569
01:07:31.619 --> 01:07:32.159
it at the end.

1570
01:07:32.219 --> 01:07:35.820
But I don't think Voyager was ever gonna...

1571
01:07:36.360 --> 01:07:37.679
The ingredients just aren't there.

1572
01:07:37.980 --> 01:07:40.500
Yeah, but I don't know what it is.

1573
01:07:40.559 --> 01:07:44.400
Like, what's wrong with it because it's got, like, I think part of

1574
01:07:44.400 --> 01:07:47.099
the thing, the appeal about Star Trek, the next generation to

1575
01:07:47.099 --> 01:07:48.059
normies.

1576
01:07:48.119 --> 01:07:51.239
Like the thing that means that ordinary people were watching it

1577
01:07:51.239 --> 01:07:56.039
was that everyone knew about Star Trek because it was a thing, you

1578
01:07:56.039 --> 01:07:57.539
know, and there were movies and stuff.

1579
01:07:57.599 --> 01:07:59.099
So everyone kind of knew it existed.

1580
01:07:59.159 --> 01:08:02.760
And now here was new Star Trek for the sort of 80s and 90s.

1581
01:08:02.820 --> 01:08:05.219
And it had a really thin premise.

1582
01:08:05.280 --> 01:08:08.400
Like it had, it's, we're on board the Enterprise going from planet

1583
01:08:08.400 --> 01:08:09.119
to planet.

1584
01:08:09.179 --> 01:08:09.719
There was nothing.

1585
01:08:09.780 --> 01:08:10.500
Do you know what I mean?

1586
01:08:10.559 --> 01:08:15.420
But Voyager has a more complicated premise, which takes all sorts

1587
01:08:15.420 --> 01:08:19.140
of stuff from both Deep Space 9 and Next Generation.

1588
01:08:19.199 --> 01:08:23.460
Maybe that's it as well, but does neither of them justice?

1589
01:08:23.520 --> 01:08:29.279
No, but, but, and also the characters are more, like they're, like

1590
01:08:29.279 --> 01:08:30.840
their higher concept, aren't they?

1591
01:08:30.899 --> 01:08:33.659
Like the characters are more high concept.

1592
01:08:34.140 --> 01:08:39.899
And I guess I guess what they don't realise is that it's the

1593
01:08:39.899 --> 01:08:41.640
actors are not the characters.

1594
01:08:41.699 --> 01:08:43.859
You know, the latest set of characters.

1595
01:08:43.859 --> 01:08:46.859
The chemistry just isn't the same.

1596
01:08:46.920 --> 01:08:50.399
There is chemistry there in Voyager, but it ain't like this.

1597
01:08:50.460 --> 01:08:53.699
No, but there's a great set of actors on Voyager.

1598
01:08:53.699 --> 01:08:56.159
Like, Voyager doesn't have a terrible cruise.

1599
01:08:57.000 --> 01:09:01.859
Yeah, like I don't think much of the worst Robert, and the medium

1600
01:09:01.859 --> 01:09:04.380
Robert kind of stops, like, checks out at some point.

1601
01:09:04.439 --> 01:09:07.439
But like Medium Roberts, okay.

1602
01:09:07.560 --> 01:09:09.359
Yeah, Garrett's all right.

1603
01:09:09.420 --> 01:09:13.560
Um, but but you've got Tim Ross, you've got Ethan Phillips, you've

1604
01:09:13.560 --> 01:09:18.300
got Kate, you've got, you know, like, like, it's, it's not, I

1605
01:09:18.300 --> 01:09:18.779
don't know.

1606
01:09:18.840 --> 01:09:21.180
I mean, I suppose DS not made this mull, right?

1607
01:09:21.180 --> 01:09:24.180
Picardo, the pushing away from all this completely and just doing

1608
01:09:24.180 --> 01:09:24.960
its own thing.

1609
01:09:25.020 --> 01:09:30.539
But also as well, I think with GS9, they just found a superbly

1610
01:09:30.539 --> 01:09:31.140
good cast.

1611
01:09:31.199 --> 01:09:32.460
Like, yeah.

1612
01:09:33.420 --> 01:09:36.000
Better than this cast, I think.

1613
01:09:36.779 --> 01:09:39.060
Yeah, yeah, probably.

1614
01:09:39.119 --> 01:09:39.840
Probably.

1615
01:09:39.899 --> 01:09:41.819
I mean, these, you know.

1616
01:09:41.880 --> 01:09:43.979
Yeah, well, yeah, I think certainly.

1617
01:09:44.460 --> 01:09:46.920
But I love these guys.

1618
01:09:46.979 --> 01:09:49.140
Like, I love these cast and it is...

1619
01:09:49.140 --> 01:09:49.979
It's the chemistry.

1620
01:09:50.039 --> 01:09:52.380
I think it's a charisma, I think.

1621
01:09:52.439 --> 01:09:55.199
Like the chemistry and the charisma of the actors, I think, you

1622
01:09:55.199 --> 01:09:57.300
know, like even if the characters are super thin.

1623
01:09:57.359 --> 01:10:01.199
But and doing a procedural where where, you know, you have a

1624
01:10:01.199 --> 01:10:03.659
little bit of character stuff, but it's not the focus and that's

1625
01:10:03.659 --> 01:10:08.880
not what, um, Deep Space 9 goes for because it's not really a

1626
01:10:08.880 --> 01:10:10.680
procedural at all in the same way.

1627
01:10:10.859 --> 01:10:13.979
But they did it 1st as well, didn't they, next gen?

1628
01:10:14.100 --> 01:10:16.560
Again, they took it a while to get the formula right.

1629
01:10:16.619 --> 01:10:18.659
And to get the confidence, right?

1630
01:10:18.720 --> 01:10:22.140
But they did it first. and then every show that copied this

1631
01:10:22.140 --> 01:10:22.979
afterwards.

1632
01:10:23.039 --> 01:10:25.140
It always just feels like a pale imitation.

1633
01:10:25.199 --> 01:10:26.159
Yeah, yeah.

1634
01:10:26.159 --> 01:10:28.619
They did 179 episodes.

1635
01:10:28.680 --> 01:10:32.100
They basically did every possible shitty high concept you could

1636
01:10:32.100 --> 01:10:33.300
possibly ever do, you know?

1637
01:10:33.359 --> 01:10:38.220
But, I mean, then the next time that gets it right is strange new

1638
01:10:38.220 --> 01:10:40.739
worlds, I think, don't you think?

1639
01:10:41.100 --> 01:10:45.239
But Strangely Wells, it's both the chemistry, the actors and the

1640
01:10:45.239 --> 01:10:45.720
characters.

1641
01:10:45.779 --> 01:10:47.939
So it's different again, I think.

1642
01:10:48.000 --> 01:10:49.800
It is, yeah. yeah, yeah, yeah.

1643
01:10:49.859 --> 01:10:52.439
But it's a Star Trek show, like in the same way.

1644
01:10:52.500 --> 01:10:55.739
Like, I think, you know, like, it's kind of like, let's remake

1645
01:10:55.739 --> 01:11:01.199
Star Trek, and the show that succeeds at that best is Strangely

1646
01:11:01.199 --> 01:11:06.359
Worlds, I think, you know, um, Star Trek, like we said last week

1647
01:11:06.359 --> 01:11:10.380
is slightly embarrassed Star Trek, the Next Generation, it doesn't

1648
01:11:10.380 --> 01:11:12.720
want to be ridiculous, and it's a bit embarrassed by a lot of Star

1649
01:11:12.720 --> 01:11:15.720
Trek, but Star Trek, like Stration Worlds doesn't feel like that.

1650
01:11:15.960 --> 01:11:18.479
When they let their hair down.

1651
01:11:18.539 --> 01:11:19.859
It's so great.

1652
01:11:19.920 --> 01:11:20.880
Yeah, yeah.

1653
01:11:21.000 --> 01:11:24.840
What if I rather watch the game or the masterpiece society?

1654
01:11:24.899 --> 01:11:25.859
It's the game.

1655
01:11:25.859 --> 01:11:27.539
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1656
01:11:27.600 --> 01:11:28.439
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1657
01:11:28.500 --> 01:11:29.340
Yeah for sure.

1658
01:11:29.760 --> 01:11:32.039
All right. what do you reckon?

1659
01:11:32.159 --> 01:11:32.640
Should we do it?

1660
01:11:32.699 --> 01:11:34.079
Should we do it?

1661
01:11:34.680 --> 01:11:36.060
Okay.

1662
01:11:36.960 --> 01:11:39.899
Hey, Joe. Hi.