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Hey, Joe. Hi.

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So we're back in Star Trek, The Next Generation, in its imperial phase.

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It's Series 5, episode 4, the game.

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We have a teleplay by Brannan Braga, and the story is by a bunch of people, including Brannan Braga.

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It's directed by Corey Allen, who did encounter at Farpoint and Captive Pursuit, and actually did a bunch of Star Trek, The Next Generation in Deep Space.

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I think that this is top tier Star Trek, like absolutely superb, one of the best episodes of the entire franchise.

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Am I crazy?

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No, I sailed through this.

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I mean, I think this is the possibly the most entertaining next generation episode we've done to date.

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Like, there wasn't a part of this where, you know, the pleasure, things all over my body weren't pinging, you know?

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Wesley's back The crew's having a great time, it's got a truly, truly hideously absurd premise.

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Everyone's having orgasms all over the ship.

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There's dreadful lawnmower man style, special effects that they're doing.

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They're bloody.

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There's a great cab female villain that comes along at the end in a tiny little ship ready to take down the federation with a computer game.

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I mean, it's just ridiculous, isn't it?

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But there's a confidence to this.

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They know this is ridiculous and they're just going to play it for all it's worth.

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And I think this has a really decent production as well.

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Because when the direction really needs to hit, which is Wesley being hunted through the ship.

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I think it's one of the most exciting set pieces they've ever done on the Next Generation, with great music, and, you know, lots of running.

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I just yeah, just brilliant. absolutely brilliant.

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Should the next generation always be this stupid.

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Absolutely not.

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But should it be as stupid as this on a more regular occasion?

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Yes.

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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So yeah, obviously this is them doing a Twilight Zone episode in lots of ways.

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And Star Trek the Next Generation goes back and sort of mines that genre a little bit.

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It's something that it sometimes does.

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But here it's very thoroughgoingly a Twilight Zone episode, isn't it?

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With gradually the crew being kind of subverted.

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And it's all done.

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I think, like, I think the thing about it is just how well it's gone.

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It's quite such a work, isn't it?

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And then you suddenly realise everybody in 10 forward is wearing a game headset.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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It's really, it's really terribly good.

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Like, I just think, and I think we're distracted slightly by the return of Wesley, and this is a really, really good episode for Wesley.

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Wesley used to get made fun of a little bit because he was the annoying kid who saved the ship all the time.

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And so they get him back for one last episode, and I think they know at this point it's not the last episode, but...

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But he does save the ship.

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He's got a chart on his wall for how many times.

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Right, one walk, right, back to the academy.

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But had he never come back, had this been his last episode, it would have been great. because it gives...

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Yeah, like it gives us the chance to imagine that he's got the girl and that's really good.

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He was still a kid, like a little kid.

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He occasionally had, not really a love interest, but, you know, like there was, I I'm just thinking the Dauphin, perhaps.

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Um, but uh, here it's proper.

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We get to see him be an adult.

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We get to hear about him flourishing somewhere else other than the enterprise.

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And so when he goes back, we're confident that he's going to be okay and that he's going to be successful.

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And I really like it.

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I just think it's perfect and he's really good in it.

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What's super interesting about that is this is one of those rare times Next Generation is setting something up because 1st duty is later in the season.

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So they're establishing here that he's doing extremely well.

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He's a confident young man, you know, good with the ladies, a bit awkward, but, you know, it's Ashley Judd that he captures the attention of in this. ain't doing too bad.

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And then later on, it literally just kills his Federation career dead, doesn't it?

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And he makes a terrible choice.

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Really interesting journey, and both of them, both Wesley episodes this year are absolute highlights of the season.

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And I think Will Wheaton's better as well.

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I think Will Wheaton was a very nerd.

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We know, like, I don't know if you've heard him in interviews.

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He suffers from terrible anxiety. you know, he's on age presently.

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He's on CBD tablets, anything to help him get through the day.

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And he said back when he was doing this, He was surrounded by these amazing actors and he was just lost, you know?

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And then they gave them this role was the most irritating child in the television universe.

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And he was saddled with that.

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So for him to cut to sort of push away from that.

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And say, okay, I won't do that anymore.

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And then to come back just so confident.

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You know, such a delightful character.

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Kudos to him.

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Yeah, I think he's great.

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Yeah, yeah.

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I think that there's one bit that he and Ashley Judd don't quite land.

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I think the script is doing one thing, but they don't actually manage to do it.

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And I think it is just sort of down to their inexperience and stuff, but they're both super charming and they're both able to kind of hold the episode together because, you know, by the end of it, they're the 2 main characters, the only people who haven't been subverted by the game.

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And so they're our kind of focus characters.

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And they're really fun together.

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Like, I think they're super charming.

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Effectively, they just have to be a cute engaging couple.

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They sail through that, you know.

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The last scene in his quarters. is gorgeous.

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And I remember watching it when I was younger because, you know, this was my heavy Will Wheaton Crossphage.

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I was sort of 14, 14, 15.

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Um, and absolutely desperate.

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Will Wheaton was all over my wall.

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I was going to the hairdressers, you know, getting the Wesley Cup, of which I did send you a picture, didn't I?

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I found the book.

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You did.

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The exact book, contagion, which I took into the hairdressers and say, please make me look like this.

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The most beautiful man on the planet.

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I could still feel that when I watched this.

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Just how in love I was with Wesley Crusher when I was a kid, with no embarrassment whatsoever.

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It was Will Wheaton and Edward Furlong from Terminator 2.

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I can't say.

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I'm kind of cute, aren't they?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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But where was I going with this?

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What was I saying?

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That's good.

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It was good material.

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Actually, Wesley Rocks.

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And you know, in a series of absurd set pieces.

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Yeah, they sort of stack up throughout this episode when he is hunted through the ship.

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I mean, he's firing phasers, um, force fields, isn't he?

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beaming himself all across the ship.

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Yeah, he's running rings around them all.

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I mean, even Worf, you know, trained warrior.

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Can't chase him up a bloody Jeffrey's tube.

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Wesley Rocks.

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Yeah, no, he's really good in this.

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It's a great episode for him.

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What do you think?

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Should we go in?

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One more question.

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Nathan.

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Is it true what they say about your birthmark?

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All of that stuff is so good. really buy that.

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Like they create that little world, which we do get to see, which, as you said, they're setting up the 1st duty, where we do get to go to Starfleet Academy and see some of this staff.

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And they're setting it up wonderfully.

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I've got stuff to say about Starfleet Academy because I think the way it's portrayed is really fun and interesting here, but they do create a world that he's been living in while he hasn't been on the show and I think that's done really incredibly well.

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I think this is one of Brannan Baraka's 1st scripts as well.

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Okay.

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And I remember in an interview where they said, um, man, this guy is good because he had to write a very functional scene where Riker says to Troy.

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I will try the game, you know, and there's a lot of scenes like that in this.

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And instead of just having that function, he writes this whole sequence where Troy is sculpting a chocolate sundae.

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And I know, I know it's sort of lazy characterisation, but Marina, so it's just loving doing it, you know, she stares straight at Jonathan Frakes and goes, chocolate is a very serious business. you know, and it's the sort of stuff that Troy don't often get, you know?

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She's, like we say, she's, she's not loose like that.

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She's not fun and they said, my god, if he can do that with a chocolate sundae, let's give him some really good stuff to do, you know, going forward.

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So I think it's a good script from Brandon.

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Yeah, I do too.

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All right.

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I think we're going.

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Let's do it Okay, see him then.

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Five, four, three, two, one, and we're off.

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So this is an unusual opening.

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Don't you think?

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Because it's like sex comedy opening.

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We've been to Rizer, haven't we, before, in Captain's Holiday?

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We have.

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Yeah, that's right.

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That's right.

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So it's a known thing.

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And Riker, you know, he fucks.

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We know that at this point.

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And so this is actually quite cute. you know, like she's a little bit annoying.

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She's very annoying tolerate that. giggling around like a lunatic.

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In fact, he seems a bit bothered.

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When he jumps on the bed, right?

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And then she jumps on top of him, sort of starts dry humping him and kissing his neck.

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He looks like, oh, I just wanted to lie down.

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I'm a bit tired.

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Will you leave me alone, please?

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I did get a sort of like he gets a bit of a smile.

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It was kind of nice seeing Jonathan be so relaxed, you know, like he's more like the Jonathan that we kind of know, uh, you know, from interviews and stuff like that now. smile and stuff.

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Riketsu Enterprise.

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I'm having a serious problem here on right.

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Too much nookie.

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Oh, look at his lovely hairy chest out as well.

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Oh, yeah, no, I'm a big fan of that. is proper bed hair as well.

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Look at his hair.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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But he's sort of into it.

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I think he's into it in a way.

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That's a look that we have not seen from him in any other context.

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I think he's uh, this is his um, horny face.

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She's so sad as well because she just reaches it off camera and picks up the game very subtly.

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So it's really interesting this game, isn't it?

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Because, like, we don't have sort of AR or VR in the 80s.

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So it's not a, you know, like it's not a, um, it doesn't have a thing in front of the eyes.

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But it's like a Walkman, you know, like it's that metal, that metal thing that a Walkman headset has.

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And remember that, like at the time, so the Walkman's reasonably old at this point, like, you know, like it's a few years old, they sold quite a lot of them.

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And people were scared that people would just sort of retreat into their own worlds with a Walkman on.

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You know, it created your own space with your own music and shut everyone else out. ultimately, but yeah.

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Yeah, yeah.

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But the Walkman, the panic about the Walkman was very similar, I think.

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Yeah, there's his O face.

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I remember as a kid because I was so impressed with the special effects as a kid.

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I mean, it was the most incredible thing I'd ever seen.

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I think the savvy move they make with the game is that they don't just do a special effect.

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Because that would look, it does look pony, right?

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a cone and a cup.

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Yeah, but they have what the person's seeing outside of the game.

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And that feels impressive.

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I think so too.

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I mean, at the time, it did.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Like here, where we're seeing verb game take place between his face and hers.

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Oh, wow, he's really...

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And there's lots of scenes. they do lots of POV shots throughout the episode of people walking around and things like that and just seeing that special effect on the screen becomes something very menacing if you're looking through that person's eyes.

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It's pretty good.

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It is pretty good.

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So, Yeah, so so what I think is, because the it opens with that, right?

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And so an attentive attentive viewer isn't going to forget that scene.

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And so when we come back to the ship, and we're not on rise and we're not even mentioning riser, and it starts to become about the Zukov, I think, like there's another ship there that has some scientists... you know, your standard day on the Enterprise.

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But the thing that I like about that is that it is the standard day on the Enterprise.

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It's not interrupting another.

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It's not actually interrupting another show.

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Do you know what I mean?

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It's not like another episode that gets subverted by the game.

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It's not like there was going to be a Star Trek episode this week and then it gets destroyed by the game turning up.

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This is just an ordinary day and what they're doing is sciencing.

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And I know that sounds really sort of bizarre and, and, and, like, I don't know, I'm excited by the fact that they're doing science and a whole group of people from this other ship have come aboard the Enterprise because it's got the big sensors on the deflect edition and we're having to ration it because everyone wants to do it and stuff.

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And I just think it's so good.

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Like, I think, like, they do stop talking about it.

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Of course. you know, because something much more fun's going to.

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Like we had a, there's this episode in season 2 where that is the episode.

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Geordie La Forge is trying to juggle up all of the departments that want this bit of equipment that they've come across.

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And you know what?

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It's so boring.

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Like, I know, I get what you're saying, and you like the procedural element and their competent space people doing space things.

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Yeah, but you know, the addictive orgasm game is a lot more fun.

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Oh, no, that's right.

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There's no episode without it.

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That's what I'm saying.

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But I think, I think, like, so Riker walks into this scene from the teaser, right?

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Um, and then we don't mention it again for a while.

221
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Let's keep an eye out for when he 1st mentions the game.

222
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Well, like as well, is when people are under the influence of the game, it doesn't subsume their personality, they can still be concerned about people.

223
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Like so often when it's possession, you know, people just, well, I'm engaged, but Fadden becomes a zombie, but that's all she can do.

224
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But like, you know what I mean?

225
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Like people are still behaving like they usually do.

226
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They just have an obsession with this new headset.

227
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Oh, here she is.

228
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Robin Leffler.

229
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Beautiful.

230
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She was in Darmark, of course.

231
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Oh, I forgot that.

232
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Yeah, yeah.

233
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So she does 2 episodes, which I think is great.

234
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So we set her up as someone.

235
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And, you know, it's something that rarely happens.

236
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I think, you know, um, once the woman from Q who, Sonya, something.

237
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Oh, Nicia Naff, as uh, and Sonia Gomez.

238
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Gomez.

239
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That's right.

240
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Yeah, and I think she's cute and sort of adorable.

241
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And Terry Hatcher from The Outrageous O'Connor.

242
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Yeah, yeah.

243
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I mean, TNG starting all their careers.

244
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Kirsten Dunce. is in an episode of series 7.

245
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That's right.

246
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And with Gene Simmons, it's ending careers as well.

247
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Starting ending. exactly right.

248
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Yeah, yeah.

249
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So she is very cute.

250
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I think you are right about her.

251
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Yeah, look at her trying to do the tennis.

252
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By multiplexing, multiplexing the array.

253
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But then she just then she smiles at him.

254
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And I kind of like Riker's not creepy, though.

255
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He lying to her, but she's young.

256
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He's not going to be a creep about it, but he's he's nice to her.

257
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Do you know what I mean?

258
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Like, I kind of like that.

259
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I wanted him to creeps on earth.

260
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That would have been horrible.

261
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No, no, still no.

262
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No, no, no.

263
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We do Wesley first.

264
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There's a big destruction before we get to the game.

265
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Oh, I'm here to tell her about it.

266
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So I think that that is the cheapest and shittiest fucking Sunday that they've just got off the craft services table.

267
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I'm currently on a no-processed sugar diet, all right?

268
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So that looks fucking gorgeous. delicious.

269
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It has like chocolate chocolate buds on it that just look terribly cheap.

270
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Nathan, the way she acts this scene, she sells it.

271
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Yeah, she's slightly embarrassed and I love the, are you depressed and then she kind of rolls her eyes and I love the, um, should I leave you to alone as well?

272
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I think is... in now. like early series.

273
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I mean, their chemistry together is just amazingly good, isn't it?

274
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She gets to be a little bit.

275
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So I think the, like, why is this scene here?

276
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Like, it's to give Marina something to do this week?

277
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There's really, it's not about anything else.

278
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It's just him saying, I've brought back this game.

279
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

280
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But what else are they going to talk about?

281
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Do you know what I mean?

282
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They're not talking about work, which is what we were doing in engineering just now and on the bridge just now.

283
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But she is talking about pleasure, right?

284
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And physical pleasure and how important it is.

285
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And given that the game acts on the pleasure centres of the brain, there is something relevant about talking about it.

286
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I can remember aged nipper, say eating my desserts with my mother and going, relish every bite.

287
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Make everyone an event.

288
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She's looking at me. you need to go out more I used to quote Star Trek all the time. was obsessed.

289
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Look at that.

290
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OMG.

291
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My shadow?

292
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Like it is so great.

293
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Yeah, I know.

294
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Oh, Marina.

295
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I miss chocolate.

296
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I do.

297
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Look at that dreadful space bowl she's eating out of.

298
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No, no, it's absurd.

299
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Ridiculous.

300
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Oh, we go, I've got something better than chocolate, you know, Troy.

301
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That's just a game.

302
00:18:54.180 --> 00:19:04.380
Also, there's something about the way they tell each other about the game. which seems to be really kind of adult in a way.

303
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Do you know what I mean?

304
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Like I've discovered this thing.

305
00:19:06.119 --> 00:19:06.779
It's really interesting.

306
00:19:06.900 --> 00:19:09.059
I'm not sure I can put my finger on why I feel that.

307
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But they have that little moment at the end of each scene when they say, oh, I'll show you this game.

308
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It's really interesting or whatever.

309
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There's something about it.

310
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The camera lingers on a smile.

311
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Enormous, beautiful smile, as if she's thinking, what sort of game are you talking about?

312
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I'm up for it, you know?

313
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next game.

314
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Yeah.

315
00:19:26.220 --> 00:19:28.859
Oh, Will Wheeler looks so cute.

316
00:19:28.920 --> 00:19:29.819
My god.

317
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He's out of that hideous gray uniform.

318
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He's wearing a star for his uniform.

319
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Yeah.

320
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Or stuff like Academy.

321
00:19:36.539 --> 00:19:37.500
Has he grown a little bit as well?

322
00:19:37.559 --> 00:19:38.099
He looks taller.

323
00:19:38.160 --> 00:19:47.279
He does seem tall. he's 19 at this point It's unbelievable, isn't it, that O'Brien was just standing there at that transport for 5 seasons.

324
00:19:47.339 --> 00:19:48.960
Poor sod.

325
00:19:51.180 --> 00:19:53.519
Someone's ready to beam in.

326
00:19:53.579 --> 00:19:54.779
Oh, thank God, something to do.

327
00:19:54.839 --> 00:19:56.700
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

328
00:19:56.700 --> 00:19:58.740
I get to push a button.

329
00:19:58.799 --> 00:19:59.579
Oh, this is great.

330
00:19:59.640 --> 00:20:04.019
The welcome back, surprise. love all of it. really good.

331
00:20:04.079 --> 00:20:06.480
This is a sort of banter that Voyager would tank.

332
00:20:06.779 --> 00:20:09.119
We're watching through our fingers.

333
00:20:09.180 --> 00:20:14.819
And the other thing that this scene has to do is that it has to establish data, right?

334
00:20:14.880 --> 00:20:21.839
It has to remind us about data and new data is because data is not affected by the game.

335
00:20:21.900 --> 00:20:28.980
And so, you know, the fact that they have to take him out is part of the reason why, you know, we defeat the game.

336
00:20:29.039 --> 00:20:31.019
But look how excited they are to see him.

337
00:20:31.079 --> 00:20:32.339
They're visibly excited.

338
00:20:32.400 --> 00:20:33.359
You're right.

339
00:20:33.420 --> 00:20:34.980
Geordie is hugely excited.

340
00:20:35.039 --> 00:20:36.839
I bet you drive all the girls wild.

341
00:20:37.079 --> 00:20:42.480
Do you remember when he grew up into a man and Wesley Geordie went, you know, yeah.

342
00:20:42.539 --> 00:20:43.559
Yeah, well done.

343
00:20:43.619 --> 00:20:45.839
I think he might be on the turn.

344
00:20:45.900 --> 00:20:47.160
Oh, wharf made a cake.

345
00:20:47.220 --> 00:20:49.740
I know I just think that's adorable.

346
00:20:49.799 --> 00:20:51.299
And then Data does that laugh.

347
00:20:51.359 --> 00:20:54.779
He does that really force laugh and then stops and no one reacts to it.

348
00:20:54.779 --> 00:20:57.599
Like, he just keeps talking, which I just think is really great.

349
00:20:57.660 --> 00:20:59.160
It's not like a laugh line or anything.

350
00:20:59.220 --> 00:21:03.660
I go one of 2 ways with data's literal interpretation of things.

351
00:21:03.720 --> 00:21:07.500
Either I find it toad curlingly embarrassing or it's really enjoyable.

352
00:21:07.559 --> 00:21:09.900
And all the conversation about the deception here.

353
00:21:09.960 --> 00:21:15.660
And when they're out in the corner, I just think it's just on the right line of making data funny.

354
00:21:15.779 --> 00:21:18.059
But it has to do it, right?

355
00:21:18.119 --> 00:21:19.500
It's got, yeah, there you go.

356
00:21:19.559 --> 00:21:24.180
That's the end of the scene and now Deanna's telling her about the game.

357
00:21:24.240 --> 00:21:25.859
And so the game is happening.

358
00:21:25.920 --> 00:21:30.299
It's spreading while this is all is kind of distracting us in the foreground.

359
00:21:30.359 --> 00:21:34.680
I'm so sorry, but did you see those miserable looking pot plants there in the corridor?

360
00:21:34.740 --> 00:21:38.099
to suggest the luxury of the enterprise.

361
00:21:38.279 --> 00:21:41.819
So here's the thing which I think is really good.

362
00:21:41.880 --> 00:21:49.500
So they're talking about practical jokes and obviously that's going to come up in his conversation with Leffler later.

363
00:21:49.559 --> 00:21:55.380
But here he says, the 1st week I was there, this guy named Adam Martoni filled my sonic shower with mud.

364
00:21:55.440 --> 00:21:57.359
And then I got back at him.

365
00:21:57.420 --> 00:22:02.759
What data doesn't understand is that Wesley wants to tell him what he did.

366
00:22:02.819 --> 00:22:05.460
That's the obvious thing for the next time.

367
00:22:05.519 --> 00:22:06.779
Good for you.

368
00:22:06.779 --> 00:22:07.500
Good for you.

369
00:22:07.559 --> 00:22:10.980
And he's doing it because he thinks that's the right thing to say at this point.

370
00:22:11.039 --> 00:22:14.339
He's completely misinterpreted how that conversation's meant to go.

371
00:22:14.339 --> 00:22:23.460
And and no one, like in normal Star Trek or in Voyager we would have to stop and explain that that was what, you know, that was where he got it wrong.

372
00:22:23.579 --> 00:22:27.180
And all of this where he goes, I don't have the knack for dancing.

373
00:22:27.240 --> 00:22:28.259
Oh, your mother's very good.

374
00:22:28.319 --> 00:22:30.240
She taught me recently, their continuity.

375
00:22:30.299 --> 00:22:32.640
And then he goes, oh, yeah, the dancing doctor.

376
00:22:32.700 --> 00:22:34.380
It's just so great.

377
00:22:34.440 --> 00:22:35.940
This dialogue is really really good.

378
00:22:36.180 --> 00:22:43.319
But also when Wesley says, I'll let you know about the 17 part holographic trading program.

379
00:22:43.380 --> 00:22:47.700
He just nods as if, okay, all right, you'll let me know.

380
00:22:48.180 --> 00:22:53.700
He doesn't get that I'll let you know means absolutely not never in a 1000000 years, you know.

381
00:22:53.759 --> 00:22:55.559
So here they meet.

382
00:22:55.559 --> 00:22:57.299
I should be fine. sit here at my console.

383
00:22:57.359 --> 00:22:58.799
Who on earth is that over there?

384
00:22:58.859 --> 00:23:00.299
Gorgeous.

385
00:23:00.359 --> 00:23:01.859
Ensign Leffler.

386
00:23:02.640 --> 00:23:07.079
I love how he says, no, the computer has to do this.

387
00:23:07.140 --> 00:23:08.460
I think that's so good.

388
00:23:08.519 --> 00:23:09.900
I think that's so good.

389
00:23:10.019 --> 00:23:14.160
That sounds like you talking to me. absolutely me.

390
00:23:17.519 --> 00:23:20.099
So this is their meat cute.

391
00:23:20.160 --> 00:23:22.859
And here's her 1st bointer.

392
00:23:22.920 --> 00:23:25.500
So...

393
00:23:25.500 --> 00:23:27.119
A series of pointers.

394
00:23:27.180 --> 00:23:28.680
That was her 1st one.

395
00:23:28.799 --> 00:23:36.059
Robin's Laws, which I think is where the Ferengi Rules of Acquisition comes from.

396
00:23:36.119 --> 00:23:37.980
Oh, maybe, don't you think?

397
00:23:38.039 --> 00:23:39.539
No, they've already started doing them.

398
00:23:39.660 --> 00:23:41.759
I think they've started doing that. you sure?

399
00:23:41.759 --> 00:23:42.779
I think so.

400
00:23:42.839 --> 00:23:46.740
Yeah, I think I think in Captain Holiday in series three.

401
00:23:46.799 --> 00:23:49.140
Look at Wesley, he's bewitched by her, isn't he?

402
00:23:49.200 --> 00:23:50.579
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

403
00:23:50.640 --> 00:23:54.240
Well, because he can't he can't find a way of stopping this conversation.

404
00:23:54.299 --> 00:24:03.299
You know, he's still holding her hand, still smiling at her, and she gets him to disengage by saying, your neutrinos are drifting in a way that sounds filthy.

405
00:24:03.359 --> 00:24:05.099
Like, I think that sounds filthy.

406
00:24:05.339 --> 00:24:06.960
I don't laugh though, isn't it, gorgeous?

407
00:24:07.259 --> 00:24:09.539
And they're both smiling.

408
00:24:09.599 --> 00:24:10.740
Oh, it's just great.

409
00:24:10.799 --> 00:24:11.759
It's adorable.

410
00:24:11.819 --> 00:24:17.220
I think the problem though is that they're supposed to be much more awkward around each other.

411
00:24:17.220 --> 00:24:24.779
And the thing that warms them up is having a thing to do, having a problem to solve.

412
00:24:24.839 --> 00:24:37.319
And then when they get together and the, you know, they're in Sick Bay running, you know, experimenting on the game and all of that sort of thing, that's when they warm up and they start to get kind of really excited, but they don't, they don't get that.

413
00:24:37.380 --> 00:24:39.299
The chemistry is too good, you know?

414
00:24:39.359 --> 00:24:42.539
I think that they just don't quite get...

415
00:24:42.599 --> 00:24:44.039
I think that that's where the script's going.

416
00:24:44.099 --> 00:24:45.359
I think that that's what needs to happen.

417
00:24:45.660 --> 00:24:48.839
They're really there where they turn data off.

418
00:24:48.900 --> 00:24:50.220
It's great.

419
00:24:50.279 --> 00:24:51.720
Very imperceptibly.

420
00:24:51.779 --> 00:24:56.400
Dr. Beverly kicks his off switch and down he goes.

421
00:24:56.460 --> 00:25:01.799
And then there's a great angle looking up at his head with them all in his head. wonderful.

422
00:25:01.859 --> 00:25:06.900
Yeah, they all walk in like villains and they all just sort of stand around him.

423
00:25:06.960 --> 00:25:07.799
It's really great.

424
00:25:07.980 --> 00:25:10.920
So the off switch is from measure of a man.

425
00:25:11.279 --> 00:25:15.599
I think, but it's established...

426
00:25:15.660 --> 00:25:16.619
Yeah, yeah.

427
00:25:16.680 --> 00:25:19.859
But it is established, I think, that only she knows about it.

428
00:25:19.920 --> 00:25:21.480
Is that why they can only come in afterwards?

429
00:25:21.539 --> 00:25:23.579
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

430
00:25:23.640 --> 00:25:29.400
But this shot where they're all kind of standing around him and staff and it's the people.

431
00:25:29.460 --> 00:25:32.519
So if we've been paying attention, we know that it's the game, right?

432
00:25:32.579 --> 00:25:34.680
Oh, for absolute.

433
00:25:34.740 --> 00:25:38.039
Well, we know it's gone from these 3 people from one to the other.

434
00:25:38.099 --> 00:25:41.279
I don't think you need to pay attention too much in this one.

435
00:25:41.700 --> 00:25:43.680
No, I know.

436
00:25:43.799 --> 00:25:46.440
Oh, see, this is great as well.

437
00:25:46.500 --> 00:25:52.140
Wesley talking about his time at the academy and you're right, the beer where Picard goes, oh yeah, booth me.

438
00:25:52.200 --> 00:25:53.279
Yes, of course.

439
00:25:53.339 --> 00:25:56.819
He'll remember me and Wesley's like, no, we didn't remember you, sir.

440
00:25:57.180 --> 00:25:59.759
The look on Picard's face.

441
00:25:59.819 --> 00:26:04.440
When Picard greets him in the observation lounge.

442
00:26:04.500 --> 00:26:12.059
He says he's talked to him in Latin, and it looks like the Latin means, how's your Latin going or what's your Latin like or something?

443
00:26:12.119 --> 00:26:18.480
And then he says something which I can't understand and then something kind of incomprehensible as well.

444
00:26:18.539 --> 00:26:23.940
And I found out what they were meant to be saying and the Latin is extremely bad.

445
00:26:24.000 --> 00:26:27.180
Oh, it's not by someone who knows any Latin at all.

446
00:26:27.240 --> 00:26:28.319
It's absolutely God.

447
00:26:28.380 --> 00:26:32.940
I think it's the same person who did all the, you know, Native American Chakotay stuff.

448
00:26:33.000 --> 00:26:33.960
Maybe.

449
00:26:34.019 --> 00:26:46.799
Well, initially, the Starfleet Academy motto was ex-Astra Scientia, which means from the Star's knowledge, but it should be ex-Astris Scientia, and they have since changed it.

450
00:26:46.859 --> 00:26:50.640
Well, I don't buy so much, so the Latin's wrong because, you know, I don't know Latin.

451
00:26:50.700 --> 00:26:54.240
What I do love is that Dr. Beverly goes, woo, when he says it.

452
00:26:55.259 --> 00:26:57.180
She's so impressed.

453
00:26:57.240 --> 00:27:04.200
But what I like about it is that it depicts Starfleet Academy as a place where you have to learn the humanities.

454
00:27:04.319 --> 00:27:05.880
It's not all science.

455
00:27:05.940 --> 00:27:08.579
He's got a creative writing teacher.

456
00:27:08.640 --> 00:27:13.619
So he does Latin, creative writing, anthropology, and organic chemistry.

457
00:27:13.680 --> 00:27:15.240
I think, I think, um...

458
00:27:15.240 --> 00:27:17.819
Well, I think...

459
00:27:17.880 --> 00:27:18.599
Exactly.

460
00:27:18.660 --> 00:27:19.740
I think that's great.

461
00:27:19.799 --> 00:27:20.640
I think that's amazing.

462
00:27:20.700 --> 00:27:25.619
You know, like it's kind of nice that my job still exists in the late 24th century.

463
00:27:25.740 --> 00:27:27.180
This whole thing, right.

464
00:27:27.240 --> 00:27:32.579
They keep they keep coming back to with Picard being a bit of a layabout at the academy.

465
00:27:32.640 --> 00:27:37.259
And so this conversation here about carving the letters AF into the elm tree and all of that.

466
00:27:37.319 --> 00:27:43.980
Like, when we go back, we have a tapestry, we go back and see Picard at the time.

467
00:27:44.039 --> 00:27:51.960
I just love the fact that the most bug up the butt character had a very, it was like Johnny Rotten back in the day, wasn't he?

468
00:27:52.019 --> 00:27:52.319
you know?

469
00:27:52.380 --> 00:27:55.500
Yeah, yeah They're never a bad boy. great.

470
00:27:56.039 --> 00:28:00.599
Oh, now that everyone's pretending to Captain Picard.

471
00:28:00.660 --> 00:28:01.859
Whoa, we don't know what's happened to him.

472
00:28:01.920 --> 00:28:03.420
It just fell over.

473
00:28:04.559 --> 00:28:07.980
Gaming complaining about a headache or something?

474
00:28:08.039 --> 00:28:08.880
can't remember.

475
00:28:08.940 --> 00:28:11.039
Obviously, I will keep saying it.

476
00:28:11.099 --> 00:28:14.160
Ghost McFadden's evil acting is just like a normal acting.

477
00:28:15.660 --> 00:28:19.319
Oh no, don't do a close-up on the tricorder.

478
00:28:19.380 --> 00:28:20.579
I love it.

479
00:28:20.640 --> 00:28:24.000
I want to pause. looks really cheap, doesn't it?

480
00:28:24.059 --> 00:28:24.660
It's amazing.

481
00:28:24.720 --> 00:28:27.779
It's the worst TV remote you've ever seen.

482
00:28:28.319 --> 00:28:30.660
Just doesn't have enough buttons.

483
00:28:30.660 --> 00:28:33.720
Has Geordie been seduced by the game yet or is it now?

484
00:28:33.779 --> 00:28:34.380
No.

485
00:28:34.380 --> 00:28:35.160
No.

486
00:28:35.220 --> 00:28:38.160
No, I think it'll happen at the end of this episode, do you think?

487
00:28:38.220 --> 00:28:41.099
Dr. Crusher's got everything under control.

488
00:28:41.460 --> 00:28:44.220
I've got a game.

489
00:28:44.279 --> 00:28:44.759
Is happening?

490
00:28:44.819 --> 00:28:57.660
The only moments in this where I was sort of like, oh, dear, was, I did send you a message about it, was when Dr. Beverly's having multiple orgasms, because of the game and Wesley walks in, I'm like, oh, no.

491
00:28:57.720 --> 00:29:01.500
It's when they're forcing people to have the orgasms, you know, and watching them.

492
00:29:01.559 --> 00:29:03.599
This is all a bit odd now.

493
00:29:04.440 --> 00:29:10.259
Yeah, so we're back to these guys and they are hitting it off, but they're hitting it off.

494
00:29:10.319 --> 00:29:11.339
Yeah.

495
00:29:11.400 --> 00:29:14.220
I mean, they are hitting off in the context of, I do too.

496
00:29:14.279 --> 00:29:16.500
I mean they usually all make a lot of sense.

497
00:29:16.559 --> 00:29:18.359
I mean, yeah, they're obvious, obviously.

498
00:29:18.420 --> 00:29:19.380
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

499
00:29:19.440 --> 00:29:22.380
But the pointers have to be based on them, don't you think?

500
00:29:22.440 --> 00:29:23.400
Oh, definitely.

501
00:29:23.460 --> 00:29:24.779
Blameless pointers.

502
00:29:25.859 --> 00:29:29.579
How many sets of rules and laws are there in Star Trek?

503
00:29:29.640 --> 00:29:31.019
We should count them up as we go.

504
00:29:31.079 --> 00:29:32.579
That's 3 at least so far.

505
00:29:32.640 --> 00:29:34.019
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

506
00:29:34.079 --> 00:29:34.740
Yeah, yeah.

507
00:29:34.980 --> 00:29:37.259
Oh, see, this is nice though.

508
00:29:37.319 --> 00:29:40.019
She knows friends at the academy that know Wesley.

509
00:29:40.079 --> 00:29:41.640
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

510
00:29:41.700 --> 00:29:48.180
It's really cute. and she would, you know, they would mention, like, it makes sense. and now we do get to hear what he's doing.

511
00:29:48.240 --> 00:29:49.619
Yeah, I think that's nice.

512
00:29:49.680 --> 00:29:51.779
Half the story there. half the story here.

513
00:29:51.839 --> 00:29:52.500
Yeah, yeah.

514
00:29:52.559 --> 00:29:52.980
Yeah.

515
00:29:53.039 --> 00:29:57.299
You know, Brannan, I'll take it all back about those Voyager scripts, you know.

516
00:29:57.359 --> 00:29:58.559
Maybe you just got bored at the end.

517
00:29:58.619 --> 00:30:02.099
I think he probably, like, I don't know.

518
00:30:02.160 --> 00:30:04.200
I think...

519
00:30:04.259 --> 00:30:07.380
This is where this is where he's excited to be writing for Star Trek though.

520
00:30:07.440 --> 00:30:08.880
This is his 1st stance.

521
00:30:08.940 --> 00:30:09.180
Yeah.

522
00:30:09.240 --> 00:30:09.839
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

523
00:30:09.839 --> 00:30:14.400
And like, you know, he became known as that sort of weird horror man, didn't he?

524
00:30:14.460 --> 00:30:16.380
Phantasms and stuff like that.

525
00:30:16.440 --> 00:30:19.259
Just doing weird crazy shit with TNG.

526
00:30:19.319 --> 00:30:21.240
Tiny, whimey shit as well.

527
00:30:21.299 --> 00:30:24.180
Like he does the strange time, high concept things.

528
00:30:24.240 --> 00:30:25.380
And I think he does them very well.

529
00:30:25.440 --> 00:30:28.859
I liked his episodes in TNG.

530
00:30:28.920 --> 00:30:31.440
He started bringing them over to Voyager.

531
00:30:31.500 --> 00:30:32.880
He created the Vedians.

532
00:30:32.940 --> 00:30:34.920
He did Deadlock and things like that.

533
00:30:34.980 --> 00:30:38.579
And then I just think, oh, he was like, am I still writing Star Trek?

534
00:30:38.640 --> 00:30:39.000
Okay?

535
00:30:39.599 --> 00:30:40.980
Yeah.

536
00:30:41.039 --> 00:30:41.940
Alas.

537
00:30:42.000 --> 00:30:46.019
Let's do the Bork, babe, you know, that's how lazy you got.

538
00:30:47.220 --> 00:30:49.559
All right, here we go.

539
00:30:49.559 --> 00:30:51.000
There's something cluster.

540
00:30:51.059 --> 00:30:51.480
Where are we?

541
00:30:51.599 --> 00:30:53.880
I did, oh, oh, dear, no.

542
00:30:53.940 --> 00:30:56.099
Gates is slightly wrong.

543
00:30:56.160 --> 00:30:57.660
Stop having orgasms on the screen.

544
00:30:57.720 --> 00:31:06.480
Well, it's the 1st episode where someone walks in on her while she's flicking herself off and obviously the other one is sub-rosa, which we've already done.

545
00:31:07.559 --> 00:31:12.599
The fact that it happens twice is unusual. upsetting.

546
00:31:12.660 --> 00:31:15.720
I mean, the 1st time it's Wesley, the 2nd time it's Picard, isn't it?

547
00:31:15.779 --> 00:31:16.680
The boss.

548
00:31:16.740 --> 00:31:17.460
Yeah, yeah.

549
00:31:17.519 --> 00:31:18.359
Super upsetting.

550
00:31:18.420 --> 00:31:21.240
Well, you know, like, can I ask you a question about orgasms?

551
00:31:21.359 --> 00:31:22.799
Yeah.

552
00:31:22.859 --> 00:31:24.480
Were you quite loud?

553
00:31:24.539 --> 00:31:25.920
Are you quite quiet?

554
00:31:25.980 --> 00:31:28.619
I don't sit there going...

555
00:31:28.680 --> 00:31:29.640
I'm fairly vocal.

556
00:31:29.700 --> 00:31:31.319
What's your mood?

557
00:31:31.380 --> 00:31:31.859
I don't know.

558
00:31:31.920 --> 00:31:35.819
Mind you, imagine if games were seen in yours in the next room.

559
00:31:35.819 --> 00:31:39.960
Imagine if she was screaming her head off like...

560
00:31:39.960 --> 00:31:43.319
We may not be PG-13 anymore.

561
00:31:43.500 --> 00:31:44.940
No.

562
00:31:46.259 --> 00:31:48.240
Yeah, yeah.

563
00:31:48.299 --> 00:31:49.019
I don't know.

564
00:31:49.079 --> 00:31:55.380
Like, this is you come back and your mother's a bit embarrassing and clingy, and I guess that kind of works.

565
00:31:55.440 --> 00:31:57.960
Um, God...

566
00:31:57.960 --> 00:31:59.940
Well, no, it works because of the 2 of them, right?

567
00:32:00.000 --> 00:32:03.059
They had 3.5 seasons to build...

568
00:32:03.119 --> 00:32:06.720
Well, actually, she was gone for one, 2.5 seasons to build up there.

569
00:32:06.779 --> 00:32:08.160
But do you know what's lovely now, right?

570
00:32:08.220 --> 00:32:10.799
Gates calls him her son on the podcast.

571
00:32:10.859 --> 00:32:11.940
All the time.

572
00:32:12.000 --> 00:32:14.519
They've just got this amazing relationship.

573
00:32:14.579 --> 00:32:17.339
And she acts like his mum, like in real life.

574
00:32:17.460 --> 00:32:18.240
It's lovely.

575
00:32:18.359 --> 00:32:18.960
Right, right.

576
00:32:19.019 --> 00:32:19.920
It's adorable.

577
00:32:19.980 --> 00:32:28.259
It is kind of sweet. suggestion that she makes that, you know, oh, look, why don't you invite your date here and we can all play the game together. play the game.

578
00:32:28.319 --> 00:32:30.839
You kinky bitch. is wrong with you?

579
00:32:30.900 --> 00:32:32.339
I don't think that's that.

580
00:32:33.000 --> 00:32:34.920
No, I know that.

581
00:32:34.980 --> 00:32:36.599
I'm just giving my reading on it.

582
00:32:36.720 --> 00:32:45.539
But I think like he, the outfit that he decides on, I love her putting the game there somewhere really obvious and then working off.

583
00:32:45.599 --> 00:32:48.480
I'm just going to put it here in your line of science, which I think is...

584
00:32:48.480 --> 00:32:51.119
Oh my God, look, a moment of subtext where he looks confused.

585
00:32:51.180 --> 00:32:54.539
Oh, she wasn't behaving like my mom.

586
00:32:54.599 --> 00:32:58.200
And then he's decided on this fucking outfit that he's wearing.

587
00:32:58.259 --> 00:33:00.299
I do love her outfit.

588
00:33:00.359 --> 00:33:01.500
It's very 60s.

589
00:33:01.559 --> 00:33:09.180
You know, occasionally they do the sort of slight 60s thing as a kind of callback to Star Trek, you know, the original series.

590
00:33:09.180 --> 00:33:10.859
Everyone is closed from the 60s.

591
00:33:10.920 --> 00:33:15.960
Whoever invited those tape invented those tables with the light in the glass, yeah.

592
00:33:16.019 --> 00:33:19.619
I mean, everyone looks so photogenic when they're sitting around these tables.

593
00:33:19.680 --> 00:33:21.839
Someone should mass market these.

594
00:33:21.900 --> 00:33:31.140
Yeah, I think that the reason that we don't have tables like that is that it would be massively funky uncomfortable to be trying to eat your meal.

595
00:33:31.740 --> 00:33:33.660
But you look amazing.

596
00:33:34.140 --> 00:33:36.779
It's literally a story, right?

597
00:33:36.839 --> 00:33:46.140
of that Kate O'Mara tells when she was in dynasty in the 80s that they would go around with mirrors, reflecting light up their faces whilst they were on set.

598
00:33:46.259 --> 00:33:48.720
So they all look beautiful. lovely.

599
00:33:48.779 --> 00:33:51.119
Yeah. coming in it, you know.

600
00:33:51.299 --> 00:33:59.099
I love her delivery where this bit here where they start to talk about the game.

601
00:33:59.160 --> 00:34:06.180
I think that that's where things start to kick off, like they stop being awkward and they start to talk more normally.

602
00:34:06.180 --> 00:34:07.559
I mean, it's a bit distracting, though.

603
00:34:07.619 --> 00:34:09.420
That woman's climaxing there in the background.

604
00:34:09.659 --> 00:34:14.460
I think that they should be a little bit more unnerved by it.

605
00:34:14.519 --> 00:34:19.139
But it's this moment, you know, where they kind of go, let's go and find out.

606
00:34:19.199 --> 00:34:22.260
We're giant science nerds, let's do it.

607
00:34:22.320 --> 00:34:23.099
And I think that's pretty great.

608
00:34:23.159 --> 00:34:25.980
Can I just say something for the glass on this table?

609
00:34:26.039 --> 00:34:27.179
Don't do space glasses.

610
00:34:27.239 --> 00:34:29.280
That's just the most ridiculous.

611
00:34:29.340 --> 00:34:31.679
It looks like a fucking pipette, for God's sake.

612
00:34:31.739 --> 00:34:32.880
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

613
00:34:32.940 --> 00:34:40.559
But this is another one of these things where people sit down to a meal and never have it. at the end of the scene.

614
00:34:40.559 --> 00:34:41.400
It puts on the game.

615
00:34:41.519 --> 00:34:45.420
And the music's starting to get more ominous now, isn't it?

616
00:34:45.480 --> 00:34:46.860
You know, dun, dun, dun.

617
00:34:47.039 --> 00:34:50.159
I think this is really clever as well.

618
00:34:50.219 --> 00:35:05.039
So they have a program that mimics the human brain, so behaves like the human brain, and so they're able to experiment on the thing, and then they just talk about what the, you know, virtual brain that they've created in the computer does.

619
00:35:05.099 --> 00:35:08.760
And that seems smart and that seems, you know, future-y and stuff.

620
00:35:08.880 --> 00:35:12.360
Like it's tech technology that makes sense.

621
00:35:12.420 --> 00:35:14.519
He says the serotonin Neville's are way off.

622
00:35:14.579 --> 00:35:16.559
What's going on in the hippocampus?

623
00:35:16.619 --> 00:35:19.920
A higher reasoning levels are reduced.

624
00:35:19.980 --> 00:35:20.820
All that makes sense.

625
00:35:20.880 --> 00:35:21.599
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

626
00:35:21.659 --> 00:35:23.039
And that's why that we know.

627
00:35:23.099 --> 00:35:25.619
Okay, they've been brainwashed and it's a great feeling.

628
00:35:25.739 --> 00:35:29.099
I like the body language between the 2 of them.

629
00:35:29.159 --> 00:35:30.239
They lean into each other.

630
00:35:30.300 --> 00:35:31.320
They smile.

631
00:35:31.320 --> 00:35:34.440
It's just a little bit. good, isn't it?

632
00:35:34.500 --> 00:35:38.519
Well, otherwise, this is just a functional, we're telling you what this does, you know?

633
00:35:38.579 --> 00:35:50.639
But the scene is also doing the them getting on together and finding a project that they can work on together and it's where they really start to hit it off. you know, like they've got a thing to do together.

634
00:35:50.699 --> 00:35:52.079
They're little science nerds.

635
00:35:52.139 --> 00:35:53.940
They're not going to sit around making small talk.

636
00:35:54.000 --> 00:36:00.780
What you just said there about, you know, there should be more concerned, the 2nd scene in 10 forward when suddenly everyone's wearing the headsets.

637
00:36:00.840 --> 00:36:02.280
I think that's really well done.

638
00:36:02.340 --> 00:36:03.179
She's there on her own.

639
00:36:03.179 --> 00:36:08.460
And that interfering with back comes up to her going, oh, did you forget your game?

640
00:36:08.519 --> 00:36:11.039
Yeah, you can barrel mine.

641
00:36:11.099 --> 00:36:12.539
You know, like, oh fuck off.

642
00:36:13.139 --> 00:36:15.719
And they do a clever thing as well.

643
00:36:15.780 --> 00:36:17.099
They mock up dummies.

644
00:36:17.159 --> 00:36:19.500
So it looks like they're wearing the game.

645
00:36:19.559 --> 00:36:20.760
Yeah, yeah.

646
00:36:20.820 --> 00:36:23.219
I thought that bit of direction was fantastic.

647
00:36:23.280 --> 00:36:27.599
So he puts the game down on the table just off camera.

648
00:36:27.659 --> 00:36:28.679
Don't see it.

649
00:36:28.800 --> 00:36:30.360
That's what he's around.

650
00:36:30.420 --> 00:36:30.659
Yeah.

651
00:36:30.719 --> 00:36:34.440
And then he turns back around at the end and picks up the game and puts it on.

652
00:36:34.500 --> 00:36:35.159
Puts it on.

653
00:36:35.219 --> 00:36:39.659
So there's a little hint that he's already there, but it's not explicit.

654
00:36:39.719 --> 00:36:47.219
Because, I mean, the great thing about this is, of course, we saw him unaffected, the last time we saw him, we never saw him given the game by anyone.

655
00:36:47.280 --> 00:36:50.340
We did see it all set up with Riker.

656
00:36:50.400 --> 00:36:57.000
Um, you know, Troy and and and Bev, but we we never see him given the game at all.

657
00:36:57.059 --> 00:36:59.760
And he's the guy that you go to.

658
00:36:59.820 --> 00:37:04.800
And Wesley comes away from that, feeling reassured that it's all under control.

659
00:37:04.860 --> 00:37:07.199
And then he puts the game on.

660
00:37:07.260 --> 00:37:11.219
Just subtly different about Patrick Stewart's performance here.

661
00:37:11.280 --> 00:37:13.980
We're not talking about the past anymore.

662
00:37:14.039 --> 00:37:16.380
He's not smiling as much.

663
00:37:16.440 --> 00:37:18.900
There's a sort of relaxed necessarily.

664
00:37:18.960 --> 00:37:21.360
I don't know, it's very subtle, but it is definitely there.

665
00:37:21.480 --> 00:37:23.400
Yeah, yeah.

666
00:37:23.460 --> 00:37:32.340
And again, like he's just giving this dialogue that he was giving before, like the, the, he's telling Picard the stuff that he found out with Ashley Jard.

667
00:37:32.400 --> 00:37:34.800
But again, that's not the focus of the episode.

668
00:37:34.860 --> 00:37:39.420
It's not the information dump. what's going on between the 2 characters in each case.

669
00:37:39.659 --> 00:37:42.480
See there, it's good to have you back again.

670
00:37:42.539 --> 00:37:47.340
I do like somebody who's, you know, I keep saying possessed is not quite possession.

671
00:37:47.400 --> 00:37:50.880
Somebody who's been brainwashed, who still has their characteristics.

672
00:37:50.940 --> 00:37:57.420
Because the rule number one of television, you are somebody to be possessed and they suddenly forget how to act.

673
00:37:57.480 --> 00:38:01.619
Yeah, which... evil car, isn't it?

674
00:38:01.679 --> 00:38:05.099
And it's absolutely a twilight zone scene, that one.

675
00:38:05.159 --> 00:38:08.579
It's so perfectly done Do you think they should have done a Twilight Zone ending then?

676
00:38:08.639 --> 00:38:11.400
where one person at the end puts a headset on.

677
00:38:11.460 --> 00:38:12.300
Still has the game.

678
00:38:12.300 --> 00:38:13.500
No.

679
00:38:13.559 --> 00:38:18.719
I mean, the thing about the Twilight Zone is it's an anthology show, so it can do that more readily.

680
00:38:18.840 --> 00:38:21.480
Or just that the danger's still there.

681
00:38:21.539 --> 00:38:22.139
I don't know.

682
00:38:22.199 --> 00:38:24.000
Yeah, that is kind of...

683
00:38:24.000 --> 00:38:29.039
We've already established that O'Brien Evil is actually quite menacing in power play, didn't we?

684
00:38:29.099 --> 00:38:30.360
Yeah, that's true.

685
00:38:30.420 --> 00:38:31.199
That is true.

686
00:38:31.739 --> 00:38:34.079
Yeah, it's funny, isn't it?

687
00:38:34.139 --> 00:38:35.880
We don't know who it is at this point, do we?

688
00:38:35.940 --> 00:38:37.559
Like, we haven't heard him say it.

689
00:38:37.559 --> 00:38:39.239
Irish accent.

690
00:38:39.300 --> 00:38:40.800
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

691
00:38:41.519 --> 00:38:44.219
Yeah, this is sort of slightly weird as well.

692
00:38:44.280 --> 00:38:49.440
This is a bit, they feel tenfold with a lot of extras and everybody is wearing a headset.

693
00:38:49.500 --> 00:38:50.340
Everyone has the game.

694
00:38:53.400 --> 00:38:55.260
Yeah, yeah, it's so we're okay.

695
00:38:55.320 --> 00:38:57.059
Everything will be all right.

696
00:38:57.119 --> 00:38:58.440
Oh, here she is.

697
00:38:58.500 --> 00:38:59.940
Did you forget your game?

698
00:39:00.780 --> 00:39:03.239
It's off, I think.

699
00:39:03.780 --> 00:39:05.699
She is great.

700
00:39:05.760 --> 00:39:07.440
Look how perturbed she looks.

701
00:39:07.559 --> 00:39:08.940
Wesley goes, we're all right, thank you.

702
00:39:09.000 --> 00:39:12.000
Yeah, she's minuscule too, that woman.

703
00:39:12.719 --> 00:39:17.579
I think I'm getting a bit of an obsession with these extras that have one or 2 lines.

704
00:39:17.639 --> 00:39:20.400
It's pretty great. you know, that lady.

705
00:39:20.460 --> 00:39:22.380
Yeah, she's true.

706
00:39:22.440 --> 00:39:25.260
They're holding hands as they walk off. you notice that?

707
00:39:25.320 --> 00:39:25.980
That's nice.

708
00:39:26.099 --> 00:39:27.960
Yeah, they're a nice couple.

709
00:39:28.019 --> 00:39:29.340
I agree.

710
00:39:29.400 --> 00:39:30.719
Okay.

711
00:39:30.780 --> 00:39:33.719
So pretty soon, it is just the 2 of them, isn't it?

712
00:39:33.780 --> 00:39:34.500
Is that now?

713
00:39:34.559 --> 00:39:35.639
I wouldn't reach that point.

714
00:39:35.760 --> 00:39:44.880
I know, I think we've reached the point where it is now just the 2 of them, and then, of course, there's the big moment where it's just the one of them, which is obviously where it has to go.

715
00:39:44.940 --> 00:39:48.539
Wesley, what are you trying to do with those shoulder pads?

716
00:39:48.599 --> 00:39:49.139
I'm curious.

717
00:39:49.199 --> 00:39:50.400
They're really bad.

718
00:39:50.460 --> 00:39:53.820
Well, it sort of structures his body in a very odd way.

719
00:39:53.820 --> 00:39:56.639
Yeah, he's super skinny.

720
00:39:56.699 --> 00:39:58.260
I mean, he is a very young man.

721
00:39:58.320 --> 00:40:02.280
So we have this scene now to set up the solution in the climax.

722
00:40:02.340 --> 00:40:06.239
Wes is working on data, but we don't see him repair all the neural links.

723
00:40:06.300 --> 00:40:09.300
Yeah, there's enough to know that it happens.

724
00:40:10.019 --> 00:40:14.039
Yes, we can see him working sort of towards it, can't we?

725
00:40:14.099 --> 00:40:15.539
Because he's going to be unaffected.

726
00:40:15.599 --> 00:40:26.940
It is a surprise, though, because we have been following Wesley pretty much ever since he came on board, and so to have things happen that we don't see is a surprise to us.

727
00:40:27.000 --> 00:40:29.579
But I think it, you know, you're absolutely allowed to do that.

728
00:40:29.639 --> 00:40:31.739
I can't wait till we get to that bit.

729
00:40:31.800 --> 00:40:38.760
The fact that there's massive threats at the Federation is foiled by someone flashing a light in their faces.

730
00:40:39.179 --> 00:40:41.219
It's so shit.

731
00:40:41.280 --> 00:40:41.880
I love it.

732
00:40:41.940 --> 00:40:43.860
Awesome, isn't it?

733
00:40:44.940 --> 00:40:46.500
Oh, dear.

734
00:40:46.500 --> 00:40:47.820
He's figuring it out now.

735
00:40:47.880 --> 00:40:50.760
Come on, De La Forge. mother yeah, yeah.

736
00:40:50.820 --> 00:40:52.860
And my mother's been being a weirdo.

737
00:40:52.920 --> 00:40:54.119
Is that weird?

738
00:40:54.119 --> 00:40:57.239
Those few little wires on data there.

739
00:40:57.300 --> 00:41:02.039
Yeah, I reckon I could cut a wire on just about any computer and ruin it.

740
00:41:02.099 --> 00:41:04.980
Like, you know...

741
00:41:04.980 --> 00:41:06.239
I definitely don't like it.

742
00:41:06.300 --> 00:41:13.920
Yeah Yeah, the subtitle says eerie music playing.

743
00:41:17.039 --> 00:41:20.280
On my 2nd watch this, because I did watch it twice.

744
00:41:20.340 --> 00:41:21.239
It's so enjoyable.

745
00:41:21.300 --> 00:41:25.139
Um, I was sort of wax a miracle about the music to you.

746
00:41:25.199 --> 00:41:29.579
I actually think the music's only really great during the chase scene.

747
00:41:29.639 --> 00:41:32.400
It really ramps up during the chase.

748
00:41:32.460 --> 00:41:36.179
Otherwise, they're doing the usual, you know, in and out of the various acts.

749
00:41:36.300 --> 00:41:37.320
Yeah, break.

750
00:41:37.380 --> 00:41:38.400
Yeah, that's right.

751
00:41:38.460 --> 00:41:42.000
We'll call it the season 5 Berman house style.

752
00:41:42.719 --> 00:41:45.539
I really like that shot as well.

753
00:41:45.599 --> 00:41:47.460
I think this guy, Corey Allen.

754
00:41:47.519 --> 00:41:49.800
I think he does a really good job of the direction and stuff.

755
00:41:49.860 --> 00:41:51.300
This is pure...

756
00:41:51.300 --> 00:41:52.199
I love menacing.

757
00:41:52.260 --> 00:41:56.219
Is Dr. Berry coming and going, Wesley, are you there?

758
00:41:56.579 --> 00:42:03.480
I've got a lovely game for you and your girlfriend. brought someone very large to make sure that you put it on.

759
00:42:03.659 --> 00:42:08.699
Dr. Beverly, do not watch your son and his girlfriend having multiple orgasms on the bed.

760
00:42:09.360 --> 00:42:11.639
Slightly awkward, isn't it?

761
00:42:16.019 --> 00:42:19.320
I mean, not explicitly say it is orgasms.

762
00:42:19.380 --> 00:42:20.940
It's just the pleasure centres of the brain.

763
00:42:21.059 --> 00:42:22.500
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

764
00:42:22.559 --> 00:42:23.639
What else are they for?

765
00:42:23.699 --> 00:42:27.360
Chocolate and orgasms as this episode makes it completely clear.

766
00:42:27.480 --> 00:42:28.380
Yeah.

767
00:42:28.440 --> 00:42:33.360
So he's not fooled by the by the captain, which is kind of good.

768
00:42:33.420 --> 00:42:34.619
And this is nice.

769
00:42:34.619 --> 00:42:35.699
He knows that they're on their own.

770
00:42:35.760 --> 00:42:44.820
They've got a plan, and then she goes off to do her bit, and then the next time we see her, she's already, They've got her and she's already had the game.

771
00:42:44.880 --> 00:42:45.719
They've got her.

772
00:42:45.840 --> 00:42:48.059
And but does he say there's something I want to try?

773
00:42:48.119 --> 00:42:49.500
Do we follow him from here on?

774
00:42:49.500 --> 00:42:52.139
Or do we get a break so he can do the things?

775
00:42:52.199 --> 00:42:53.159
Yeah, here we go.

776
00:42:53.219 --> 00:42:58.860
Do you know what's funny, though, is about that soon, where he walks into engineering, watch her in the background.

777
00:42:58.920 --> 00:43:01.559
She's got her head lopsided like a zombie.

778
00:43:01.679 --> 00:43:03.059
Yeah, yeah, she looks really weird.

779
00:43:03.119 --> 00:43:04.380
Oh, it's really great.

780
00:43:04.619 --> 00:43:06.659
Will you look up, please?

781
00:43:06.840 --> 00:43:09.179
Just the way that...

782
00:43:09.239 --> 00:43:12.900
Yeah, so here's a weird thing I admitted to you before, Atana.

783
00:43:12.960 --> 00:43:15.059
No wonder I thought she was Titania.

784
00:43:15.119 --> 00:43:20.159
You know, I didn't realise she was the same woman as the...

785
00:43:21.059 --> 00:43:24.780
I rely on you to be the observational one in this, all right?

786
00:43:24.840 --> 00:43:27.119
Yeah, for ages I didn't realise.

787
00:43:27.179 --> 00:43:28.679
I have known for some time.

788
00:43:28.739 --> 00:43:29.820
Do you know what I mean?

789
00:43:29.880 --> 00:43:30.960
Like for quite some time.

790
00:43:31.019 --> 00:43:39.059
But initially when I saw it, because I mean, obviously I've watched these episodes of series 5 of Star Trek, the Next Generation, any number of times.

791
00:43:39.119 --> 00:43:44.639
She's come, just dressed, sort of hell in her skin type black outfit.

792
00:43:44.699 --> 00:43:50.219
Her hair's tied back now and she talks like an evil English dominatrix.

793
00:43:50.280 --> 00:43:51.900
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

794
00:43:51.960 --> 00:43:54.780
She's not the silly giggly thing that she was in the 1st episode.

795
00:43:54.840 --> 00:44:02.639
So this particular type of possession makes you all stand around like you're doing the series 5 publicity shot.

796
00:44:02.699 --> 00:44:07.199
Like, everyone turns around the bridge.

797
00:44:07.260 --> 00:44:10.860
Like, just so that everyone can type of, you know.

798
00:44:10.920 --> 00:44:11.880
That's right.

799
00:44:11.940 --> 00:44:13.619
But that's the effect it has.

800
00:44:13.679 --> 00:44:15.300
That guy checked out his crotch.

801
00:44:15.360 --> 00:44:16.800
I don't know what's happening.

802
00:44:16.860 --> 00:44:18.059
Wesley walked past?

803
00:44:18.119 --> 00:44:19.860
The guy wearing the game, checked his dick out.

804
00:44:19.860 --> 00:44:22.980
And they just looked back up and actually, nothing wrong with that.

805
00:44:23.039 --> 00:44:24.179
Oh my God.

806
00:44:24.239 --> 00:44:26.400
She steals the whole episode.

807
00:44:26.460 --> 00:44:27.659
Wesley.

808
00:44:28.500 --> 00:44:30.119
I'm on level 97.

809
00:44:33.119 --> 00:44:34.980
Oh, 47.

810
00:44:35.159 --> 00:44:35.519
Sorry.

811
00:44:35.579 --> 00:44:36.659
47.

812
00:44:36.780 --> 00:44:37.199
Yeah, yeah.

813
00:44:37.260 --> 00:44:41.280
She gives, honestly, a Gower gives the best orgasm in the house.

814
00:44:41.340 --> 00:44:43.079
She literally goes...

815
00:44:46.920 --> 00:44:50.400
She's a little bit wasted, isn't she?

816
00:44:50.460 --> 00:44:57.119
If she was on DS9, she would have had an arc and development and all sorts.

817
00:44:57.179 --> 00:44:57.599
Yeah.

818
00:44:57.960 --> 00:45:00.179
Brian, take her with you.

819
00:45:00.239 --> 00:45:01.380
I know.

820
00:45:01.380 --> 00:45:03.840
She could be for she's little mate. couldn't she?

821
00:45:03.900 --> 00:45:05.340
Oh, look, here we go.

822
00:45:05.400 --> 00:45:07.619
Ashley Judd doing her best acting.

823
00:45:07.860 --> 00:45:09.480
Come on.

824
00:45:09.539 --> 00:45:11.460
But again, I know it's so funny.

825
00:45:11.519 --> 00:45:13.559
He's a bit preoccupied.

826
00:45:13.619 --> 00:45:15.059
He's already done a thing.

827
00:45:15.119 --> 00:45:19.079
He's already done all of the things that he was going to do, but he doesn't tell us what they are.

828
00:45:19.139 --> 00:45:22.860
So he did that while they were talking to Atana on the bridge.

829
00:45:23.699 --> 00:45:25.380
There she is.

830
00:45:25.440 --> 00:45:28.860
We have to realise before he does that, she's possessed, though, don't we?

831
00:45:28.920 --> 00:45:30.539
For the scene to work.

832
00:45:30.599 --> 00:45:34.800
Yeah, but the fact that he's looking like that and goes, Robin, is something wrong?

833
00:45:37.860 --> 00:45:44.340
I cannot explain to you how exciting this sequence was when I was a nipper and it still is now.

834
00:45:44.400 --> 00:45:46.199
It's great, isn't it?

835
00:45:46.199 --> 00:45:51.960
Brilliant low angle shots, tracking shots. they do it all We have seen this before.

836
00:45:52.019 --> 00:45:58.800
Like I seem to remember like Roger Dana and his fabulous hair running around the Enterprise in the hunted.

837
00:45:58.920 --> 00:45:59.760
Remember that?

838
00:45:59.820 --> 00:46:05.099
Oh, and what's the one where Captain Picard goes, Ori, we had a little bit of...

839
00:46:05.159 --> 00:46:05.760
What's that one called?

840
00:46:06.059 --> 00:46:08.280
Is that later than this though?

841
00:46:08.340 --> 00:46:09.300
Starship Mine?

842
00:46:09.360 --> 00:46:11.400
I think it might be later. seven, I think.

843
00:46:11.699 --> 00:46:16.980
But, but this, I think, is really, really great.

844
00:46:17.039 --> 00:46:18.179
Getting Wesley to do it.

845
00:46:18.239 --> 00:46:20.699
So he gets to be like a proper action hero.

846
00:46:20.760 --> 00:46:21.300
He runs.

847
00:46:21.360 --> 00:46:22.440
He's super smart.

848
00:46:22.500 --> 00:46:25.320
He sets up a thing so that you know, they're distracted.

849
00:46:25.380 --> 00:46:28.380
Look at Marina looking evilly. in her chair.

850
00:46:28.440 --> 00:46:29.460
It is awesome.

851
00:46:29.519 --> 00:46:30.719
Have a chocolate love.

852
00:46:31.679 --> 00:46:35.579
Okay, I'll give Gates a little bit of credit, right?

853
00:46:35.639 --> 00:46:40.980
There is one moment where she looks concerned for Wesley in the middle of her sort of blankfaced evilness.

854
00:46:41.400 --> 00:46:43.980
Look at that angle of the car.

855
00:46:43.980 --> 00:46:45.300
That looks really great, doesn't it?

856
00:46:45.360 --> 00:46:46.800
It's sort of a fish eye lens.

857
00:46:46.800 --> 00:46:49.500
Like, yeah. you know, like it's an odd shot.

858
00:46:49.559 --> 00:46:52.800
Again, I think it's just making the ship slightly more menacing.

859
00:46:52.860 --> 00:47:02.760
There's a wonderful bit in a minute where he comes out of a lift and then goes around the corner into the dark and people go past and the music's proper twilight zone at that point.

860
00:47:02.820 --> 00:47:07.320
But my favourite is where it goes, deck 27.

861
00:47:07.500 --> 00:47:07.920
He there.

862
00:47:08.039 --> 00:47:12.059
And then the next shot is Wesley, jumping down into the Jeffrey Stoop.

863
00:47:12.119 --> 00:47:13.559
It's good, isn't it?

864
00:47:13.619 --> 00:47:15.239
It's a good edit.

865
00:47:15.300 --> 00:47:16.800
It's exciting this bit.

866
00:47:18.000 --> 00:47:20.099
Did you know he's the trumpets?

867
00:47:20.460 --> 00:47:22.500
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

868
00:47:22.500 --> 00:47:27.179
You know, when he's at the door doing the controls, like, as if that's the way to make them.

869
00:47:27.239 --> 00:47:27.900
Oh, please open.

870
00:47:27.960 --> 00:47:28.860
Come on, come on.

871
00:47:29.519 --> 00:47:34.440
The trumpet is going. dot, dot, dot, dot, dot.

872
00:47:34.440 --> 00:47:36.360
I was like, my God, they're really going for it.

873
00:47:36.420 --> 00:47:37.980
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

874
00:47:38.039 --> 00:47:38.820
Here we go.

875
00:47:38.880 --> 00:47:39.840
It's coming in a second.

876
00:47:40.079 --> 00:47:42.719
Okay, so we're looking for him.

877
00:47:42.840 --> 00:47:45.000
It's a truly...

878
00:47:45.119 --> 00:47:48.360
Oh look, Paul Leffler still looking evil there in the reflection.

879
00:47:49.260 --> 00:47:54.360
Again, that's sort of a good shot with all of their faces visible in the panel.

880
00:47:55.800 --> 00:47:59.400
Inexperienced actress doing possession there, maybe.

881
00:47:59.460 --> 00:48:00.659
Yeah, probably.

882
00:48:00.719 --> 00:48:04.920
Although the slightly lolling head in the in that previous scene was pretty great.

883
00:48:04.980 --> 00:48:07.800
Watch this tracking shot through the Jefferies tube.

884
00:48:07.860 --> 00:48:08.400
It is great.

885
00:48:08.639 --> 00:48:12.300
I love it Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

886
00:48:12.360 --> 00:48:17.280
It makes him seem like he's going fast, even though he's just crawling down. mean, it's only.

887
00:48:17.280 --> 00:48:18.119
It's not short.

888
00:48:18.300 --> 00:48:19.440
I mean, look behind Wolf.

889
00:48:19.500 --> 00:48:22.619
They're trying to suggest it goes way back into the distance.

890
00:48:22.679 --> 00:48:26.639
Yeah, yeah, yeah. not very long, is Wharf trying to tear the doors open.

891
00:48:26.699 --> 00:48:28.559
Where's this at the controls?

892
00:48:28.679 --> 00:48:30.960
The trumpets are sounding.

893
00:48:31.019 --> 00:48:32.820
My God, there's amazing wins.

894
00:48:32.880 --> 00:48:34.320
Yeah, that's right.

895
00:48:34.380 --> 00:48:37.019
He does think if he uses both hands on the on the thing.

896
00:48:37.079 --> 00:48:43.500
There we go And I really felt this short, looking through the grating of them dragging him off.

897
00:48:43.559 --> 00:48:45.059
Very scary as a kid.

898
00:48:45.119 --> 00:48:46.500
Yeah, it's good.

899
00:48:46.559 --> 00:48:52.139
It's probably good It's like they're really playing it for real, the stupid fucking premise.

900
00:48:52.679 --> 00:48:54.960
It's wonderful, isn't it?

901
00:48:55.019 --> 00:48:59.280
Well, imagine they went home and went, how did I score this job?

902
00:48:59.280 --> 00:49:03.360
Like, I've been play acting shit all day.

903
00:49:03.420 --> 00:49:06.539
He's doing such a good job and she's great.

904
00:49:06.599 --> 00:49:09.480
That smile from...

905
00:49:09.539 --> 00:49:10.199
Wesley.

906
00:49:10.380 --> 00:49:12.239
Play the game.

907
00:49:12.239 --> 00:49:14.639
Picard's grinning at him like a lunatic.

908
00:49:14.699 --> 00:49:18.539
Where's like, Will's absolutely going for it as well?

909
00:49:18.599 --> 00:49:20.400
Like he's properly selling the struggle.

910
00:49:20.460 --> 00:49:21.840
He's doing a really good job.

911
00:49:21.900 --> 00:49:23.460
This is kind of hard, though, isn't it?

912
00:49:23.519 --> 00:49:24.239
When they hold open his eyes.

913
00:49:24.300 --> 00:49:25.440
Yeah.

914
00:49:25.500 --> 00:49:29.519
We're getting sort of clockwork orange thing from that, are we?

915
00:49:29.579 --> 00:49:35.099
Can we just for a 2nd though, please, um, acknowledge, uh, uh, Titania.

916
00:49:35.159 --> 00:49:36.900
Otherwise known as Etanas.

917
00:49:36.960 --> 00:49:37.619
Etana.

918
00:49:37.619 --> 00:49:43.800
Grand plan to bring the game to the Federation and take over all of Starfleet with this thing.

919
00:49:44.460 --> 00:49:48.539
See, that's the, I think that that's really great, right?

920
00:49:48.599 --> 00:50:07.860
And I'll tell you why, because we get a sense of the kind of not geopolitics, but galactic politics, a little bit from this show and then very clearly from Deep Space 9, which creates this picture of a galaxy where there's different empires and stuff, and that there's war and that you wage war.

921
00:50:07.920 --> 00:50:18.300
And so the idea that you could take over the federation with some ridiculous high concept, thing like this seems now in retrospect absolutely absurd.

922
00:50:18.360 --> 00:50:23.579
But it's wonderful that this version of Star Trek is a version of Star Trek where that's a possibility.

923
00:50:23.639 --> 00:50:36.119
You know, that what's at stake is the entire federation might be taken over by these dumb Walkmans or whatever, by the Apple. is that you get an actor of the calibre of Patrick Stewart to say the line as well.

924
00:50:36.179 --> 00:50:37.920
I mean, what's going on?

925
00:50:37.980 --> 00:50:41.039
And I did send you a message going, well, thank God.

926
00:50:41.099 --> 00:50:47.820
The latest hideous threat to the Federation was averted because data flashed a light.

927
00:50:47.880 --> 00:50:49.800
Jesus Christ.

928
00:50:49.800 --> 00:50:56.880
This is so funny though. the sort of the tiny little ship against the enterprise.

929
00:50:56.940 --> 00:50:59.219
Of course, when they were all possessed, It wasn't a problem.

930
00:50:59.400 --> 00:51:01.260
No, well exactly.

931
00:51:01.320 --> 00:51:03.119
She's very cross.

932
00:51:03.119 --> 00:51:05.039
Explain yourself, Picard.

933
00:51:05.039 --> 00:51:10.980
Picard basically goes, no, no, no, no, no.

934
00:51:12.059 --> 00:51:14.880
Did you notice her eyes as well?

935
00:51:14.940 --> 00:51:19.500
She has like goat's eyes, like weird shaped pupils.

936
00:51:19.559 --> 00:51:22.980
The pre-title sequence, that close-up of her saying, it's a game.

937
00:51:22.980 --> 00:51:26.400
They look beautiful, her contact. they're amazing.

938
00:51:26.460 --> 00:51:27.480
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

939
00:51:27.539 --> 00:51:28.079
There they are.

940
00:51:28.440 --> 00:51:32.099
I just can't help thinking how awkward they would be.

941
00:51:32.159 --> 00:51:36.840
Marina's literally there going, man, no man, I'm really phoning in this week.

942
00:51:37.139 --> 00:51:39.420
Still getting my paycheque.

943
00:51:40.739 --> 00:51:43.800
She's like, am I going to get a line anywhere?

944
00:51:43.860 --> 00:51:44.099
No?

945
00:51:44.159 --> 00:51:44.699
Okay.

946
00:51:44.760 --> 00:51:45.719
Not in this.

947
00:51:45.780 --> 00:51:46.920
No, no.

948
00:51:46.980 --> 00:51:48.420
You had your scene, Marina.

949
00:51:48.480 --> 00:51:52.199
You're contractually mandated scene and that's all you get.

950
00:51:52.260 --> 00:51:54.300
Just stand around and look at the other people.

951
00:51:54.780 --> 00:51:58.320
There are a handful of episodes she's not in at all, you know.

952
00:51:58.380 --> 00:52:00.000
Yeah, 0 yeah, no, I know.

953
00:52:00.059 --> 00:52:00.480
I know.

954
00:52:01.920 --> 00:52:04.980
Well, that's that crisis averted then, Nathan?

955
00:52:05.039 --> 00:52:05.820
That is.

956
00:52:05.880 --> 00:52:08.400
Everything's fine, I think. laying a horse.

957
00:52:08.460 --> 00:52:09.179
What a shame.

958
00:52:10.500 --> 00:52:12.000
I know.

959
00:52:12.059 --> 00:52:13.079
Maybe I would.

960
00:52:13.079 --> 00:52:14.039
Actually, no, do you know what?

961
00:52:14.099 --> 00:52:31.920
I think I would have liked a scene, just after the at the end, per scene, on Starfleet headquarters, you know, of someone sitting and going into their office and then putting on the game, you know, you'll be unsurprised to learn, I think, that Mariner plays it at some point.

962
00:52:31.980 --> 00:52:33.300
She's addicted, I think.

963
00:52:33.420 --> 00:52:35.760
Well, I think it's just a thing now.

964
00:52:35.820 --> 00:52:37.199
Everyone knows about the game.

965
00:52:37.260 --> 00:52:38.039
Do you know what I mean?

966
00:52:38.099 --> 00:52:39.900
That's a proper kiss.

967
00:52:39.960 --> 00:52:40.679
I'm sorry.

968
00:52:40.739 --> 00:52:42.840
Kisses in Star Trek are so chased normally.

969
00:52:42.900 --> 00:52:45.780
That was an actual, I'm going to press my face against yours.

970
00:52:45.840 --> 00:52:52.559
And so this is actually Judd's 1st on the screen kiss and Will Wheaton does occasionally mention it.

971
00:52:52.980 --> 00:52:54.539
Bless him.

972
00:52:54.599 --> 00:52:57.480
Oh, the hog is gorgeous.

973
00:52:57.539 --> 00:52:57.900
I do too.

974
00:52:57.960 --> 00:53:02.099
I think the hug is really good and I think the kiss on the cheek when he leaves is also really nice.

975
00:53:02.159 --> 00:53:09.840
But he's doing there, what I do to my mock. nuzzling his face into her neck and that. tender and lovely.

976
00:53:09.900 --> 00:53:10.920
Yeah.

977
00:53:10.980 --> 00:53:11.940
It's really good.

978
00:53:12.000 --> 00:53:13.619
I kind of believe him, you know.

979
00:53:13.679 --> 00:53:14.940
It would have been nice to see her again.

980
00:53:15.000 --> 00:53:31.679
Well, and that's why I think that this is a good potential ending, and I guess if they're setting up the 1st duty, then this, you know, the great thing that 1st duty does is a bit of a gut punch given where we left him, which was having fun at the academy.

981
00:53:31.739 --> 00:53:34.139
He's, you know, had his 1st love.

982
00:53:34.199 --> 00:53:35.280
It's working really well.

983
00:53:35.340 --> 00:53:36.059
We like her.

984
00:53:36.119 --> 00:53:39.059
You know, he even gets to add to her laws.

985
00:53:39.119 --> 00:53:42.119
It just looks like the shittiest fucking desk calendar. doesn't it?

986
00:53:42.179 --> 00:53:46.440
Like that... doing close-ups on the tech, right?

987
00:53:46.500 --> 00:53:47.940
Tech agent.

988
00:53:48.000 --> 00:53:48.900
It's not even tech.

989
00:53:48.960 --> 00:53:50.159
It's not even tech.

990
00:53:50.219 --> 00:53:52.440
It's like it's literally like a desk calendar.

991
00:53:52.559 --> 00:53:53.340
It's a bag.

992
00:53:53.400 --> 00:53:56.519
Like under perspect.

993
00:53:56.519 --> 00:53:57.840
Oh, look at that wall behind you.

994
00:53:57.960 --> 00:53:59.159
It looks so thin, doesn't it?

995
00:53:59.219 --> 00:54:01.380
It's very lavish.

996
00:54:02.099 --> 00:54:05.400
It's like an expensive hotel.

997
00:54:05.460 --> 00:54:06.659
Oh my gosh.

998
00:54:07.619 --> 00:54:10.739
H 14, I mean, I was so jealous of Ashley Judd.

999
00:54:11.280 --> 00:54:14.940
Wesley, press your lips against my chin, please.

1000
00:54:16.860 --> 00:54:19.500
That was so wonderful.

1001
00:54:19.920 --> 00:54:23.519
I think there's a subset of TNG episodes right.

1002
00:54:23.579 --> 00:54:27.960
The wacky premise, but really fun.

1003
00:54:28.019 --> 00:54:30.360
Now, there are wacky premises like Genesis.

1004
00:54:30.420 --> 00:54:32.159
I didn't think that was very funny, Vama.

1005
00:54:32.219 --> 00:54:32.699
I know you did.

1006
00:54:32.760 --> 00:54:36.059
But I'm putting disaster in there.

1007
00:54:36.119 --> 00:54:42.900
I'm putting Rascals in there. in its better moments.

1008
00:54:42.960 --> 00:54:44.099
A fist full of daters.

1009
00:54:44.219 --> 00:54:46.199
You know, that sort of thing.

1010
00:54:46.260 --> 00:54:50.340
And they don't, maybe like they do 2 a year or something like that, you know.

1011
00:54:50.400 --> 00:54:55.559
But that whilst they're probably not the best episodes of those years.

1012
00:54:55.920 --> 00:54:58.260
They're some of my favourites.

1013
00:54:58.320 --> 00:54:59.219
They're some of the most fun.

1014
00:54:59.280 --> 00:55:07.559
And I absolutely have to think, and you know, like it's now impossible after years of, you know, whatever it is that we've been through.

1015
00:55:07.679 --> 00:55:17.820
It's impossible to imagine what it's like to be someone who was vaguely interested in Star Trek or watched a few episodes when it was on in the 80s and 90s.

1016
00:55:17.880 --> 00:55:22.380
But that has to be one of the episodes that people remember, don't you think?

1017
00:55:22.440 --> 00:55:24.840
Like the game like this episode again and again.

1018
00:55:24.900 --> 00:55:26.340
Oh, I did too.

1019
00:55:26.400 --> 00:55:27.239
I did too.

1020
00:55:27.300 --> 00:55:43.260
But you have to think that that high concept thing, like that's what people just normies thought Star Trek was like, and, you know, unfortunately they weren't always right, but it is, I think, you know, like seriously properly topped tier.

1021
00:55:43.320 --> 00:55:52.619
I think, you know, last week we talked a little bit about Star Trek fans and science fiction fans, kind of weird relationship with the Ridiculous.

1022
00:55:52.679 --> 00:56:16.679
Um, and, you know, when people say, oh, you know, what's the best episode, it's like very serious things, you know, very serious and important and gritty things, but I think that this is easily one of the best episodes, because it's so good, it's so well told, it's fun and funny. you know, it plays on what's great about the characters, it gives Wesley a lovely ending.

1023
00:56:16.800 --> 00:56:21.300
Surely the purpose of television is too diverse to entertain, right?

1024
00:56:21.360 --> 00:56:23.159
Sorry, it shouldn't be worthy.

1025
00:56:23.219 --> 00:56:24.659
It shouldn't be dictatorial.

1026
00:56:24.719 --> 00:56:30.480
It should be something that's a pleasure to watch I think it should sometimes be worthy.

1027
00:56:30.480 --> 00:56:39.000
And I think sometimes it should tell you things and sometimes it should make a and sometimes it should make you feel sad or whatever or make you cry.

1028
00:56:39.059 --> 00:56:40.860
All of those things...

1029
00:56:40.920 --> 00:56:45.960
Say, get off your phones, everybody, you know, and have lovely romances instead. exactly.

1030
00:56:46.019 --> 00:56:46.679
That's right.

1031
00:56:46.739 --> 00:56:51.360
I mean, this is a few weeks after Darmok, I think, or very soon after Darmok.

1032
00:56:51.420 --> 00:56:55.019
You know, and Darmok is brilliant and, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1033
00:56:55.139 --> 00:57:09.539
But again, disaster is another high concept one that I think everyone at home remembers because, you know, I'll tell you, I tell you a single line of tedious techna bubble in Star Trek in the next generation.

1034
00:57:09.599 --> 00:57:12.900
However, I can quote Push Geiko.

1035
00:57:12.960 --> 00:57:13.500
Push.

1036
00:57:13.559 --> 00:57:15.480
I'm trying.

1037
00:57:15.480 --> 00:57:16.380
I am pushing.

1038
00:57:16.440 --> 00:57:19.860
He's my number one dad in Rascals.

1039
00:57:19.920 --> 00:57:21.420
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1040
00:57:21.480 --> 00:57:22.019
Yeah.

1041
00:57:22.019 --> 00:57:24.420
And half, you know?

1042
00:57:24.480 --> 00:57:27.000
relish every bite, you know.

1043
00:57:27.059 --> 00:57:28.320
So good.

1044
00:57:28.380 --> 00:57:29.579
So much fun.

1045
00:57:29.639 --> 00:57:32.880
Explain yourself, Picard, you know.

1046
00:57:33.300 --> 00:57:38.820
What we're saying is, you know, less speech is more camp.

1047
00:57:38.880 --> 00:57:39.780
Yeah, more fun.

1048
00:57:39.840 --> 00:57:40.679
More fun.

1049
00:57:46.800 --> 00:57:52.500
All right, it's the end of the episode and it is time for us to work out where we're going next.

1050
00:57:52.559 --> 00:57:57.900
We've had a good couple of episodes, so I think it's probably my turn to come along and ruin it.

1051
00:57:58.019 --> 00:58:01.019
I'm not going to pick Enterprise, though.

1052
00:58:01.079 --> 00:58:01.619
Good.

1053
00:58:01.619 --> 00:58:10.679
I've been looking at the ones that we are low in coverage of.

1054
00:58:10.800 --> 00:58:12.360
Now, could I ask you a question about that, though?

1055
00:58:12.420 --> 00:58:25.739
Well, because you, well, you say it's low in coverage, low in percentage, but like the percentage of a show where there's 50 episodes and the percentage of a show where there's 179 episodes, doesn't that throw that out a bit?

1056
00:58:25.800 --> 00:58:28.679
No, but the thing is, right?

1057
00:58:28.739 --> 00:58:36.780
At the moment we are just about, we're at the point where we've done about a 6th of the existing Star Trek episodes.

1058
00:58:36.840 --> 00:58:39.539
We do the work, so you don't have to.

1059
00:58:39.599 --> 00:58:40.739
We do.

1060
00:58:40.800 --> 00:58:53.099
But what ends up happening is, unless we stay at a roundabout that percentage on all of the shows, regardless of their length, at some point we run out of some shows.

1061
00:58:53.159 --> 00:58:54.539
Right.

1062
00:58:54.659 --> 00:58:55.440
Yeah.

1063
00:58:55.500 --> 00:58:57.539
So the percentage is an important metric.

1064
00:58:57.599 --> 00:58:59.880
We need to stay near the percentage.

1065
00:58:59.940 --> 00:59:09.900
Now, there are still some shows that are below that percentage, and one of the reasons that I keep choosing enterprises, that's one of those.

1066
00:59:10.019 --> 00:59:12.659
And in fact, Star Trek the Next Generation is two.

1067
00:59:12.840 --> 00:59:15.900
You going to put them all in then, all the low ones?

1068
00:59:15.960 --> 00:59:21.420
No, I think that I want to do one that we haven't done for a bit.

1069
00:59:21.480 --> 00:59:26.159
Uh, and so we're going to do a Star Trek discovery episode.

1070
00:59:26.219 --> 00:59:28.079
Oh, okay.

1071
00:59:28.139 --> 00:59:29.340
Yeah.

1072
00:59:29.699 --> 00:59:34.380
Okay, so I am going to press the button.

1073
00:59:37.440 --> 00:59:43.019
Season 2, episode 13, Such sweet sorrow.

1074
00:59:43.079 --> 00:59:46.139
We just say we wanted to do season two, didn't we?

1075
00:59:46.199 --> 00:59:51.840
Now, the thing is that such sweet sorrow is a two-parter.

1076
00:59:51.960 --> 00:59:53.219
Ah.

1077
00:59:53.699 --> 00:59:56.280
So it's the finale.

1078
00:59:56.340 --> 01:00:00.119
Oh boy, is the 1st half that one where they're all saying they love each other?

1079
01:00:00.179 --> 01:00:01.860
It is...

1080
01:00:02.039 --> 01:00:03.539
Oh, please, can we do it, please?

1081
01:00:05.699 --> 01:00:07.920
Yeah, well, maybe.

1082
01:00:07.920 --> 01:00:15.360
I, like, I don't know, like, I just have it, so it is, so it is a two-parter.

1083
01:00:15.420 --> 01:00:24.300
So it's such sweet sorrow and such sweet sorrow, part two, and they were released a week apart.

1084
01:00:24.360 --> 01:00:26.219
So it's the big two part finale.

1085
01:00:26.280 --> 01:00:31.559
I have very, very strong memories of being extremely angry for most of it.

1086
01:00:31.619 --> 01:00:36.659
Um, and I'll talk to you about why when that happens.

1087
01:00:36.719 --> 01:00:39.599
I mean, jamma makes that sound enticing.

1088
01:00:39.659 --> 01:00:51.900
Listen to this, an hour of extreme earnestness featuring grand gestures of selflessness, last minute family reunions, naked sentimentality, and lots of tearful goodbyes.

1089
01:00:51.960 --> 01:00:54.000
I mean, they really laid it on thick here.

1090
01:00:54.059 --> 01:00:55.139
That sounds delightful.

1091
01:00:55.260 --> 01:00:58.800
Yeah, it's a little bit much, I actually think.

1092
01:00:58.860 --> 01:01:03.179
And if you're saying that, because you can take a lot of, a lot of that.

1093
01:01:04.019 --> 01:01:04.199
Yeah.

1094
01:01:04.260 --> 01:01:04.679
Yeah.

1095
01:01:04.739 --> 01:01:08.639
So I have this theory, you know, like, and I'll talk about it next week.

1096
01:01:08.699 --> 01:01:15.119
Obviously that part of the problem is that they discover that they have a really great lead actor.

1097
01:01:15.179 --> 01:01:27.539
Uh, and so they make her do emoting because she does it really incredibly well, but I think it undermines the character a little bit and that it becomes a little bit mawkish.

1098
01:01:27.599 --> 01:01:36.960
And you remember how relieved we were when we got to the future and she started to have fun sometimes, you know, that it wasn't always so terrible.

1099
01:01:37.079 --> 01:01:48.480
And because they gave her that dreadful, horrific backstory about, you know, her mother being repeatedly assaulted by Klingons while she was in the other room, which is just too much, like yark.

1100
01:01:48.539 --> 01:01:52.019
Um, it all became a little bit March.

1101
01:01:52.139 --> 01:01:57.480
Remember in series 3, episode one, when she was on all that cocaine or whatever she was on?

1102
01:01:57.539 --> 01:01:58.619
I'm having a great time.

1103
01:01:58.679 --> 01:02:02.280
Just laughing her head before the entire, well, more of this place.

1104
01:02:02.340 --> 01:02:09.480
I mean, I know it means we don't get to press the button too much, but we haven't, this is a new furrow for us to plough.

1105
01:02:09.599 --> 01:02:10.800
Yeah, that's true.

1106
01:02:10.860 --> 01:02:11.400
That is true.

1107
01:02:11.460 --> 01:02:13.380
And I'm up for doing a two-parter.

1108
01:02:13.440 --> 01:02:17.039
And, you know, I'd like quite, I don't even remember how this season ends.

1109
01:02:17.159 --> 01:02:19.199
So it'll be sort of new to me.

1110
01:02:19.260 --> 01:02:21.480
It is kind of a bit new.

1111
01:02:21.539 --> 01:02:28.079
So we did do series 2, episode 8 if memory serves, which was really quite boring.

1112
01:02:28.139 --> 01:02:31.800
But that's the only one that we've done this season.

1113
01:02:31.860 --> 01:02:35.400
So it's parts 13 and 14 backwards.

1114
01:02:35.460 --> 01:02:39.900
Give us a chance to talk about the, you know, the beginnings of Strange New Worlds as well.

1115
01:02:39.960 --> 01:02:40.860
Yep.

1116
01:02:40.920 --> 01:02:41.760
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1117
01:02:41.820 --> 01:02:42.539
Yeah, that's right.

1118
01:02:42.599 --> 01:02:45.239
It's got some of the cars from Strange New Worlds in it.

1119
01:02:45.300 --> 01:02:46.500
So that's kind of fun as well.

1120
01:02:46.559 --> 01:02:49.199
So, you know, it's too long episodes, but there's a lot of talking points.

1121
01:02:49.260 --> 01:02:50.760
Yeah, all right.

1122
01:02:50.820 --> 01:02:51.480
I think we'll do it.

1123
01:02:51.539 --> 01:02:55.079
I just want to hear you be angry at Discovery. all.

1124
01:02:55.800 --> 01:02:59.639
I love discovery, but I was really angry.

1125
01:03:07.260 --> 01:03:12.599
You've been listening to Untitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford and Nathan Bottomley.

1126
01:03:12.659 --> 01:03:19.559
We're online at untitledstar trekproject.com where you can find subscription links and links to our social media accounts.

1127
01:03:19.619 --> 01:03:25.679
Our podcast artworkers by Kayla Ciceran, and the theme was composed by Cameron Lamb.

1128
01:03:25.739 --> 01:03:31.800
This episode was recorded on the 4th of March, 2025, and released on the 14th of March.

1129
01:03:31.860 --> 01:03:38.820
We'll see you next time for Star Trek Discovery, Such Sweet Sorrow and Such Sweet Sorrow, part two.

1130
01:03:53.940 --> 01:03:55.380
Okay, this is gonna be fun.

1131
01:03:57.119 --> 01:03:58.860
Fucking hell.

1132
01:03:58.920 --> 01:04:01.199
Gates book faden's possessed acting.

1133
01:04:01.260 --> 01:04:02.699
Yeah, Jesus Christ.

1134
01:04:02.760 --> 01:04:04.139
She's like this.

1135
01:04:05.760 --> 01:04:08.940
I'm trying to find a scene.

1136
01:04:09.000 --> 01:04:14.099
So, 4 shades of green.

1137
01:04:14.159 --> 01:04:24.059
I've got a choice between the hug, which is just because they're not facing one under their faces aren't in it, but it's tandy hugging Rutherford, which is kind of nice.

1138
01:04:24.119 --> 01:04:31.440
But there's also a really great picture of Tandy in the foreground looking at the camera and then 2 of the Blue Orians behind her.

1139
01:04:31.500 --> 01:04:32.880
Do you know what I mean?

1140
01:04:32.940 --> 01:04:37.019
And she just seems like she owns a thing, like, which I think I'm probably going to go with.

1141
01:04:37.800 --> 01:04:39.780
I do love the hug.

1142
01:04:39.840 --> 01:04:41.219
But yeah, that...

1143
01:04:41.280 --> 01:04:42.480
Yeah, I love the hug too.

1144
01:04:42.539 --> 01:04:46.019
But the other, the other one is actually a pretty good, like an it spoil, for sure.

1145
01:04:46.019 --> 01:04:47.340
This one.

1146
01:04:47.400 --> 01:04:57.179
Well, so this one, it was difficult getting a picture with Will and Ashley's face is in the same shot.

1147
01:04:58.139 --> 01:05:00.119
Can't you just have?

1148
01:05:00.119 --> 01:05:02.579
No, it's like out, having an orgasm in the turbo lift.

1149
01:05:02.639 --> 01:05:04.139
That's another option.

1150
01:05:04.199 --> 01:05:05.400
You know, I feel like that.

1151
01:05:05.400 --> 01:05:07.260
We talk about that scene so much.

1152
01:05:08.400 --> 01:05:11.699
Just her.

1153
01:05:11.699 --> 01:05:31.920
It's a little bit like how the only possible picture for quality of life was the Geordie saying, yes, Drake meme, you know, like the, you know, even though it doesn't have an XO comp in it, some things are just inevitable.

1154
01:05:31.980 --> 01:05:32.639
Yeah.

1155
01:05:33.000 --> 01:05:38.579
I always want to not choose the one that they have on memory alpha that's super important, but otherwise.

1156
01:05:38.639 --> 01:05:40.320
Oh, I figure.

1157
01:05:40.380 --> 01:05:43.739
And due consideration is always given to the image.

1158
01:05:44.760 --> 01:05:49.320
Yep, I go through and watch it and take a whole bunch of snaps.

1159
01:05:49.380 --> 01:05:53.400
It's like startling Barbara Bane where I just write lots of time stamps when I'm watching it.

1160
01:05:53.460 --> 01:05:55.559
It's like, oh, she's got a great facial expression here.

1161
01:05:55.619 --> 01:05:58.139
Oh, there's Barbara there pulling a face.

1162
01:05:58.199 --> 01:05:59.280
No, I've just looked.

1163
01:05:59.340 --> 01:05:59.760
Yeah.

1164
01:05:59.820 --> 01:06:05.639
And the opening run of this season is fucking normal.

1165
01:06:06.239 --> 01:06:10.619
Ensign Rowe, disaster, the game.

1166
01:06:10.679 --> 01:06:14.880
I mean, I think unification's a bit flawed, but it's still memorable.

1167
01:06:14.940 --> 01:06:16.139
Silicon Avatar in that?

1168
01:06:16.199 --> 01:06:17.760
Yeah, Silicon Avatar as well.

1169
01:06:18.420 --> 01:06:34.440
It's the 2nd half of the season that sort of, you get, yeah, new ground, which is that bore, matter of time, which I thought was all right, but it was, it wasn't as great. violation, spit problematic, masterpiece society, power play.

1170
01:06:34.500 --> 01:06:37.019
We weren't that, we thought it was all right, you know?

1171
01:06:37.079 --> 01:06:38.219
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's okay.

1172
01:06:38.340 --> 01:06:40.440
So, like, the opening run is...

1173
01:06:40.440 --> 01:06:41.579
It must be the beginning.

1174
01:06:41.639 --> 01:06:42.480
Yeah the opening run.

1175
01:06:42.539 --> 01:06:46.559
Oh, the last run is pretty good as well.

1176
01:06:46.619 --> 01:06:47.820
Cause and Effect is great.

1177
01:06:47.940 --> 01:06:49.800
First duties after that.

1178
01:06:49.860 --> 01:06:51.900
Cost of living is after that.

1179
01:06:51.960 --> 01:06:53.699
That's pretty good.

1180
01:06:53.760 --> 01:06:54.659
Oh, Mr. Wolf.

1181
01:06:57.719 --> 01:07:00.780
Again, Star Trek being ridiculous, you know, fun way.

1182
01:07:00.840 --> 01:07:04.440
It's a good time for Trek. is a good time for Trek.

1183
01:07:04.500 --> 01:07:04.800
Yeah.

1184
01:07:04.860 --> 01:07:06.000
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1185
01:07:07.199 --> 01:07:08.760
All right.

1186
01:07:08.820 --> 01:07:09.599
Should we do it?

1187
01:07:09.659 --> 01:07:10.139
What do you think?

1188
01:07:10.199 --> 01:07:15.719
It's not just, you know, in Voyager, when they're trying to recapture the magic that happened here.

1189
01:07:15.840 --> 01:07:16.320
Yeah.

1190
01:07:16.380 --> 01:07:23.099
It's not just, I don't know, you can't just copy the ideas, right?

1191
01:07:23.159 --> 01:07:28.679
Like something happened here that was... that just merged.

1192
01:07:28.739 --> 01:07:32.159
I know it took ages to get there and they kind of forgot how to do it at the end.

1193
01:07:32.219 --> 01:07:35.820
But I don't think Voyager was ever gonna...

1194
01:07:36.360 --> 01:07:37.679
The ingredients just aren't there.

1195
01:07:37.980 --> 01:07:40.500
Yeah, but I don't know what it is.

1196
01:07:40.559 --> 01:07:48.059
Like, what's wrong with it because it's got, like, I think part of the thing, the appeal about Star Trek, the next generation to normies.

1197
01:07:48.119 --> 01:07:57.539
Like the thing that means that ordinary people were watching it was that everyone knew about Star Trek because it was a thing, you know, and there were movies and stuff.

1198
01:07:57.599 --> 01:07:59.099
So everyone kind of knew it existed.

1199
01:07:59.159 --> 01:08:02.760
And now here was new Star Trek for the sort of 80s and 90s.

1200
01:08:02.820 --> 01:08:05.219
And it had a really thin premise.

1201
01:08:05.280 --> 01:08:09.119
Like it had, it's, we're on board the Enterprise going from planet to planet.

1202
01:08:09.179 --> 01:08:09.719
There was nothing.

1203
01:08:09.780 --> 01:08:10.500
Do you know what I mean?

1204
01:08:10.559 --> 01:08:19.140
But Voyager has a more complicated premise, which takes all sorts of stuff from both Deep Space 9 and Next Generation.

1205
01:08:19.199 --> 01:08:23.460
Maybe that's it as well, but does neither of them justice?

1206
01:08:23.520 --> 01:08:30.840
No, but, but, and also the characters are more, like they're, like, their higher concept, aren't they?

1207
01:08:30.899 --> 01:08:33.659
Like the characters are more high concept.

1208
01:08:34.140 --> 01:08:41.640
And I guess I guess what they don't realise is that it's the actors are not the characters.

1209
01:08:41.699 --> 01:08:43.859
You know, the latest set of characters.

1210
01:08:43.859 --> 01:08:46.859
The chemistry just isn't the same.

1211
01:08:46.920 --> 01:08:50.399
There is chemistry there in Voyager, but it ain't like this.

1212
01:08:50.460 --> 01:08:53.699
No, but there's a great set of actors on Voyager.

1213
01:08:53.699 --> 01:08:56.159
Like, Voyager doesn't have a terrible cruise.

1214
01:08:57.000 --> 01:09:04.380
Yeah, like I don't think much of the worst Robert, and the medium Robert kind of stops, like, checks out at some point.

1215
01:09:04.439 --> 01:09:07.439
But like Medium Roberts, okay.

1216
01:09:07.560 --> 01:09:09.359
Yeah, Garrett's all right.

1217
01:09:09.420 --> 01:09:18.779
Um, but but you've got Tim Ross, you've got Ethan Phillips, you've got Kate, you've got, you know, like, like, it's, it's not, I don't know.

1218
01:09:18.840 --> 01:09:21.180
I mean, I suppose DS not made this mull, right?

1219
01:09:21.180 --> 01:09:24.960
Picardo, the pushing away from all this completely and just doing its own thing.

1220
01:09:25.020 --> 01:09:31.140
But also as well, I think with GS9, they just found a superbly good cast.

1221
01:09:31.199 --> 01:09:32.460
Like, yeah.

1222
01:09:33.420 --> 01:09:36.000
Better than this cast, I think.

1223
01:09:36.779 --> 01:09:39.060
Yeah, yeah, probably.

1224
01:09:39.119 --> 01:09:39.840
Probably.

1225
01:09:39.899 --> 01:09:41.819
I mean, these, you know.

1226
01:09:41.880 --> 01:09:43.979
Yeah, well, yeah, I think certainly.

1227
01:09:44.460 --> 01:09:46.920
But I love these guys.

1228
01:09:46.979 --> 01:09:49.140
Like, I love these cast and it is...

1229
01:09:49.140 --> 01:09:49.979
It's the chemistry.

1230
01:09:50.039 --> 01:09:52.380
I think it's a charisma, I think.

1231
01:09:52.439 --> 01:09:57.300
Like the chemistry and the charisma of the actors, I think, you know, like even if the characters are super thin.

1232
01:09:57.359 --> 01:10:10.680
But and doing a procedural where where, you know, you have a little bit of character stuff, but it's not the focus and that's not what, um, Deep Space 9 goes for because it's not really a procedural at all in the same way.

1233
01:10:10.859 --> 01:10:13.979
But they did it 1st as well, didn't they, next gen?

1234
01:10:14.100 --> 01:10:16.560
Again, they took it a while to get the formula right.

1235
01:10:16.619 --> 01:10:18.659
And to get the confidence, right?

1236
01:10:18.720 --> 01:10:22.979
But they did it first. and then every show that copied this afterwards.

1237
01:10:23.039 --> 01:10:25.140
It always just feels like a pale imitation.

1238
01:10:25.199 --> 01:10:26.159
Yeah, yeah.

1239
01:10:26.159 --> 01:10:28.619
They did 179 episodes.

1240
01:10:28.680 --> 01:10:33.300
They basically did every possible shitty high concept you could possibly ever do, you know?

1241
01:10:33.359 --> 01:10:40.739
But, I mean, then the next time that gets it right is strange new worlds, I think, don't you think?

1242
01:10:41.100 --> 01:10:45.720
But Strangely Wells, it's both the chemistry, the actors and the characters.

1243
01:10:45.779 --> 01:10:47.939
So it's different again, I think.

1244
01:10:48.000 --> 01:10:49.800
It is, yeah. yeah, yeah, yeah.

1245
01:10:49.859 --> 01:10:52.439
But it's a Star Trek show, like in the same way.

1246
01:10:52.500 --> 01:11:15.720
Like, I think, you know, like, it's kind of like, let's remake Star Trek, and the show that succeeds at that best is Strangely Worlds, I think, you know, um, Star Trek, like we said last week, is slightly embarrassed Star Trek, the Next Generation, it doesn't want to be ridiculous, and it's a bit embarrassed by a lot of Star Trek, but Star Trek, like Stration Worlds doesn't feel like that.

1247
01:11:15.960 --> 01:11:18.479
When they let their hair down.

1248
01:11:18.539 --> 01:11:19.859
It's so great.

1249
01:11:19.920 --> 01:11:20.880
Yeah, yeah.

1250
01:11:21.000 --> 01:11:24.840
What if I rather watch the game or the masterpiece society?

1251
01:11:24.899 --> 01:11:25.859
It's the game.

1252
01:11:25.859 --> 01:11:27.539
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1253
01:11:27.600 --> 01:11:28.439
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1254
01:11:28.500 --> 01:11:29.340
Yeah for sure.

1255
01:11:29.760 --> 01:11:32.039
All right. what do you reckon?

1256
01:11:32.159 --> 01:11:32.640
Should we do it?

1257
01:11:32.699 --> 01:11:34.079
Should we do it?

1258
01:11:34.680 --> 01:11:36.060
Okay.

1259
01:11:36.960 --> 01:11:39.899
Hey, Joe. Hi.