WEBVTT NOTE This transcript was created on 2026-05-01 at 20:06:32 1 00:00:21.839 --> 00:00:24.600 Hey, Joe. Hi. 2 00:00:24.660 --> 00:00:28.859 So, this week, we're on the planet Tar Gallus 9 with the crew of 3 00:00:28.859 --> 00:00:30.059 the Cerritos. 4 00:00:30.120 --> 00:00:35.939 It's series 5, episode two, Shades of Green. 5 00:00:36.000 --> 00:00:39.899 Now, you are very keen to do a series 5 episode, I think. 6 00:00:39.960 --> 00:00:41.100 I was. 7 00:00:41.219 --> 00:00:43.439 Todd Carlos nine. that right? 8 00:00:43.500 --> 00:00:47.820 It's a really great Star Trek, the Next Generation planet name 9 00:00:47.820 --> 00:00:48.240 isn't it? 10 00:00:48.299 --> 00:00:50.700 It's absolutely perfect. nailed it. 11 00:00:50.759 --> 00:00:54.960 Your attention to detail on this podcast with technology, planets 12 00:00:54.960 --> 00:00:55.799 and spaceships. 13 00:00:55.859 --> 00:00:57.659 Honestly, you are salute you. 14 00:00:57.719 --> 00:01:00.179 I'm never going to have told you that in a 1000000 years. 15 00:01:00.240 --> 00:01:03.119 Yeah, I did want to do 5 because I've not touched it at all. 16 00:01:03.179 --> 00:01:06.540 I was intrigued to see where all the characters were after four 17 00:01:06.540 --> 00:01:10.200 and I do have a few questions for you, actually, because things 18 00:01:10.200 --> 00:01:11.040 have changed a bit. 19 00:01:11.099 --> 00:01:17.819 Yeah, so I did rewatch the series 4 finale and I had recently 20 00:01:17.819 --> 00:01:22.680 rewatched episode one and this one as it happened. 21 00:01:22.799 --> 00:01:26.819 Um, and like, I think this is really kind of great. 22 00:01:26.879 --> 00:01:29.040 So you've got what, 3 plots? 23 00:01:29.099 --> 00:01:32.640 You've got the main plot, the one the episode's named after, which 24 00:01:32.640 --> 00:01:38.519 is about Tendi being a pirate and her sister to Erica. 25 00:01:38.579 --> 00:01:42.299 And that's a sort of fun sitcom plot and a chase and all of that 26 00:01:42.299 --> 00:01:43.739 sort of thing, which is terrifically good. 27 00:01:43.799 --> 00:01:49.620 You've got the plot on the planet where Boimler and Mariner are 28 00:01:49.620 --> 00:01:52.079 trying to do command, which is really terrific. 29 00:01:52.200 --> 00:01:54.840 And one of the things that the show starts doing, you know, they're 30 00:01:54.840 --> 00:01:58.500 both junior grade, lieutenants now, and so they have to deal with 31 00:01:58.500 --> 00:02:01.140 sort of low-level leadership positions, which is really fun and 32 00:02:01.140 --> 00:02:02.219 give some new things to do. 33 00:02:02.280 --> 00:02:04.319 Me to theme you down a combat, boy, ma. 34 00:02:04.379 --> 00:02:06.060 Why do you keep sharing a combat? 35 00:02:06.180 --> 00:02:07.019 So good. 36 00:02:07.140 --> 00:02:07.799 It's so good. 37 00:02:07.859 --> 00:02:14.099 And then just the sweetest plant, which is to Lynn and... 38 00:02:14.159 --> 00:02:15.539 That was the best plot. 39 00:02:15.599 --> 00:02:18.479 The payoff for that is just one. 40 00:02:18.539 --> 00:02:19.620 It's so good. 41 00:02:19.680 --> 00:02:22.319 I mean, I loved Tandy as a character, but my 2nd favourite 42 00:02:22.319 --> 00:02:24.120 character is Rutherford. 43 00:02:24.180 --> 00:02:28.800 And it's just because the 2 of them are so it's so sweet and so 44 00:02:28.800 --> 00:02:33.659 innocent and so enthusiastic and positive about everything. 45 00:02:33.780 --> 00:02:37.800 I think when Tendi turns up at the end of the episode, Mariner 46 00:02:37.800 --> 00:02:40.259 calls her a big green ball of optimism or something. 47 00:02:40.319 --> 00:02:42.419 And she is that. 48 00:02:42.419 --> 00:02:44.039 And I just think she's wonderful. 49 00:02:44.099 --> 00:02:45.240 She is so great. 50 00:02:45.300 --> 00:02:47.340 One of my favourite ever Star Trek characters. 51 00:02:47.520 --> 00:02:50.939 When they're reunited at the end, it's like, what you've been 52 00:02:50.939 --> 00:02:51.240 doing? 53 00:02:51.240 --> 00:02:54.539 And she literally throws aside everything that's happened in this 54 00:02:54.539 --> 00:02:58.439 episode by going, what is it, oh, just some Orion warrior stuff 55 00:02:58.439 --> 00:03:00.960 you know, like, yeah, never mind that. come here. 56 00:03:01.020 --> 00:03:04.259 I nearly teared up at that bit at the end and I can't guarantee 57 00:03:04.259 --> 00:03:05.099 that I won't this time. 58 00:03:05.159 --> 00:03:08.340 I mean, you have cried at a lower decks before, you know? 59 00:03:08.400 --> 00:03:09.360 I probably have. 60 00:03:09.419 --> 00:03:12.659 You're much more emotional when watching TV than I am. 61 00:03:12.659 --> 00:03:15.120 I'm a heart bitch, especially watching Star Trek. 62 00:03:15.180 --> 00:03:18.240 I'm going to downgrade this slightly from Great to Good, because I 63 00:03:18.240 --> 00:03:22.560 think there are great, great episodes of Lower Decks, and I did 64 00:03:22.560 --> 00:03:25.740 really enjoy watching this, but I will send you a message and I 65 00:03:25.740 --> 00:03:28.860 went, like, this is as close to sort of like a normal Star Trek 66 00:03:28.860 --> 00:03:32.280 episode as I think I've ever watched with Lower Decks. 67 00:03:32.340 --> 00:03:36.659 Like it's still silly and there's still funny moments, but I 68 00:03:36.659 --> 00:03:38.159 wasn't sort of getting the belly laugh. 69 00:03:38.219 --> 00:03:40.199 So what was the last one we did mathematically? 70 00:03:40.199 --> 00:03:41.819 Redemptive? 71 00:03:41.879 --> 00:03:43.560 mathematically perfect. 72 00:03:43.620 --> 00:03:44.280 Come on. 73 00:03:44.340 --> 00:03:48.300 That was absolutely ridiculous with exacom bird sex things and all 74 00:03:48.300 --> 00:03:49.199 sorts going on in that. 75 00:03:49.319 --> 00:03:53.280 But it sort of ditches the belly laughs for heart. 76 00:03:53.340 --> 00:03:56.879 And I love that in Lower Decks as well because they're all really 77 00:03:56.879 --> 00:03:57.719 lovely characters. 78 00:03:57.780 --> 00:04:01.319 And so whilst I was sort of like going along the episode and this 79 00:04:01.319 --> 00:04:03.060 is very amiable, this is very enjoyable. 80 00:04:03.120 --> 00:04:06.180 I like hanging out with these people, it wasn't really until the 81 00:04:06.180 --> 00:04:11.280 last 5 minutes where every plot was being paid off in a really 82 00:04:11.280 --> 00:04:12.060 nice way. 83 00:04:13.500 --> 00:04:14.879 Oh yeah, what's it called? 84 00:04:14.939 --> 00:04:17.699 Boimler's, uh, laws... 85 00:04:17.699 --> 00:04:18.959 Boimless, boy. 86 00:04:19.079 --> 00:04:23.759 You know, when boimless pointers pays off and when the 87 00:04:23.759 --> 00:04:25.740 shuttlecraft repairs pays off. 88 00:04:25.800 --> 00:04:28.439 And I was like, okay, yeah, this is all led somewhere amazing, this 89 00:04:28.439 --> 00:04:30.360 absolutely was not a waste of my time. 90 00:04:30.480 --> 00:04:32.519 And I'm feeling something. 91 00:04:32.519 --> 00:04:35.399 I just think there's a standard to lower decks that is always 92 00:04:35.399 --> 00:04:36.540 entertaining. 93 00:04:36.600 --> 00:04:39.720 You know, whether it's fantastic or good or okay. 94 00:04:39.779 --> 00:04:43.500 It's always a good watch Yeah, yeah, I think it's superb. 95 00:04:43.560 --> 00:04:44.639 It makes me really happy. 96 00:04:44.699 --> 00:04:48.360 There was an announcement today that Strangely World Series 4 has 97 00:04:48.360 --> 00:04:52.439 started production and we're waiting for series 3 to come sort of 98 00:04:52.439 --> 00:04:53.459 reasonably soon. 99 00:04:53.519 --> 00:04:55.319 And I love that. 100 00:04:55.319 --> 00:04:57.600 They want to keep churning something out, don't they? 101 00:04:57.660 --> 00:04:59.939 everything else is on hitting the stop button. 102 00:05:00.000 --> 00:05:00.720 Yeah, yeah. 103 00:05:00.779 --> 00:05:03.660 So and Starfleet Academy's coming at some point next year. 104 00:05:03.720 --> 00:05:05.339 But this was great. 105 00:05:05.399 --> 00:05:09.000 You know, like really one of the great things about this new era 106 00:05:09.000 --> 00:05:11.459 of Star Trek is lower deck. 107 00:05:11.519 --> 00:05:12.240 It's magic. 108 00:05:12.300 --> 00:05:13.139 Just so good. 109 00:05:13.199 --> 00:05:19.560 And, you know, as stands of 90s strike, and we are, as much as we 110 00:05:19.560 --> 00:05:23.160 rip it, it's a seminal part of our childhood. 111 00:05:23.220 --> 00:05:26.939 Oh, you know, hugely important. you know, you watch TNG at a 112 00:05:26.939 --> 00:05:27.779 really important time. 113 00:05:27.839 --> 00:05:30.240 I watched DS9 at a really important time. 114 00:05:30.300 --> 00:05:32.699 We all endured Voyager at a certain time. 115 00:05:33.120 --> 00:05:38.519 But and so just every one of the gags in this, which is tying back 116 00:05:38.519 --> 00:05:38.819 to that. 117 00:05:38.879 --> 00:05:43.920 Walking that fine galaxy quest line between taking the piss 118 00:05:43.920 --> 00:05:48.240 outright and just loving the fact that night trek was so fucking 119 00:05:48.240 --> 00:05:49.920 absurd at times. 120 00:05:49.980 --> 00:05:53.699 They just captured lightning in a bottle with this show, didn't 121 00:05:53.699 --> 00:05:53.879 they? 122 00:05:53.939 --> 00:05:54.300 I think. 123 00:05:54.420 --> 00:05:55.680 They really did. 124 00:05:55.740 --> 00:05:56.339 It's really great. 125 00:05:56.399 --> 00:05:57.600 Well, what do you think? 126 00:05:57.660 --> 00:05:58.079 Should we go in? 127 00:05:58.139 --> 00:05:58.800 I'd love to. 128 00:05:58.860 --> 00:05:59.279 Yes, please. 129 00:05:59.339 --> 00:06:01.860 Watching lower decks of viewing in the morning. 130 00:06:01.920 --> 00:06:02.759 What a treat. 131 00:06:02.819 --> 00:06:03.660 Brilliant. 132 00:06:03.720 --> 00:06:04.560 All right. 133 00:06:04.620 --> 00:06:05.699 I will count as in. 134 00:06:05.759 --> 00:06:12.120 Five, four, three, two, one, and we're off. 135 00:06:12.540 --> 00:06:15.839 Ta da, da, da. 136 00:06:16.439 --> 00:06:19.259 Keep an eye out for the koala in the eye. 137 00:06:19.259 --> 00:06:20.639 There it is in the clouds. 138 00:06:21.000 --> 00:06:25.379 Yeah, yeah, in the clouds, in the eye, that koala that the guy 139 00:06:25.379 --> 00:06:28.560 sees when he ascends to become a higher being or doesn't quite do 140 00:06:28.560 --> 00:06:30.540 that in an early season. 141 00:06:30.660 --> 00:06:32.220 Here we go. 142 00:06:32.279 --> 00:06:33.720 It's just like, you know that idea? 143 00:06:33.779 --> 00:06:36.060 Yeah, it's a total reminder that we're just in a different world 144 00:06:36.060 --> 00:06:37.439 tonight, is Trek, isn't it? 145 00:06:37.500 --> 00:06:38.040 Just straight away. 146 00:06:38.100 --> 00:06:38.699 Yeah, yeah. 147 00:06:38.759 --> 00:06:39.839 Yeah. 148 00:06:39.899 --> 00:06:43.680 So this is, oh, okay. 149 00:06:43.740 --> 00:06:48.899 So this is, we're establishing Tandy and um, De Erika, and we're 150 00:06:48.899 --> 00:06:53.399 also establishing the Blue Orians from last week. 151 00:06:53.459 --> 00:06:55.139 Why have they got that stupid hair? 152 00:06:55.199 --> 00:06:56.939 The blue ones. 153 00:06:57.120 --> 00:07:01.319 I don't know because they don't in the animated series. 154 00:07:01.379 --> 00:07:04.860 So they, in an episode of the animated series, Jesus Christ, that's 155 00:07:04.860 --> 00:07:05.100 right. 156 00:07:05.160 --> 00:07:07.079 This is a simulation, isn't it? 157 00:07:07.139 --> 00:07:09.420 And she's dropped a slug role on it. 158 00:07:09.540 --> 00:07:13.379 That's an enormous slug role crushes a man outright in the 159 00:07:13.379 --> 00:07:13.980 hologram. 160 00:07:14.040 --> 00:07:16.379 Because it was on a table. 161 00:07:16.439 --> 00:07:20.279 So, oh, and of course she's eating slug rolls because she's 162 00:07:20.279 --> 00:07:22.860 pregnant, she's eating for two, and so she's eating a lot and 163 00:07:22.860 --> 00:07:25.139 she's kind of, yeah, yeah, it's very cute. 164 00:07:25.199 --> 00:07:26.639 And they're doing sort of sister stuff. 165 00:07:26.699 --> 00:07:29.879 I realise, though, she looks quite ill because, you know, she's 166 00:07:29.879 --> 00:07:30.600 light green. 167 00:07:30.660 --> 00:07:33.180 But Tendee's kind of hot, isn't she? 168 00:07:33.240 --> 00:07:34.800 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 169 00:07:34.860 --> 00:07:35.519 She's adorable. 170 00:07:35.579 --> 00:07:38.459 I love that little hair with the shaved sides and stuff. 171 00:07:38.519 --> 00:07:40.379 She's got a little bit hairstyle. 172 00:07:40.439 --> 00:07:43.860 I think like, what's her name from... sort of car. 173 00:07:43.980 --> 00:07:44.819 Yeah, like Erica. 174 00:07:44.879 --> 00:07:46.079 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 175 00:07:46.139 --> 00:07:49.379 So, why is she here? 176 00:07:49.439 --> 00:07:51.240 And not on the ship. 177 00:07:51.300 --> 00:07:53.459 Abby, that's a good question. 178 00:07:53.519 --> 00:07:59.459 At the end of series four, they come to De Erica, and they get 179 00:07:59.459 --> 00:08:04.620 they agree to do a sort of competition, like a, a sort of 180 00:08:04.620 --> 00:08:06.000 traditional pirate battle. 181 00:08:06.060 --> 00:08:10.439 And if they win, she helps them by giving them a cruiser, they 182 00:08:10.439 --> 00:08:13.680 need to go and save Mariner, who has been captured by Nick 183 00:08:13.680 --> 00:08:14.699 Locano. 184 00:08:14.759 --> 00:08:18.060 No, because of course he has. 185 00:08:18.120 --> 00:08:19.680 It's the worst, Robert back. 186 00:08:19.740 --> 00:08:20.459 That's right. 187 00:08:20.519 --> 00:08:22.560 And then she loses. 188 00:08:22.620 --> 00:08:23.279 They lose. 189 00:08:23.339 --> 00:08:28.980 She actually gets Dr. Miglimo to fight the biggest, scariest 190 00:08:28.980 --> 00:08:33.960 female Orion called Beth, who has an allergy to birds. 191 00:08:34.019 --> 00:08:34.919 Oh did you see this? 192 00:08:34.980 --> 00:08:35.759 Did you notice this? 193 00:08:35.820 --> 00:08:38.820 An enormous hand grabbing the ball cube in the title sequence. 194 00:08:38.879 --> 00:08:43.080 I think it's who mourns for Adonise, but I could be wrong, has the 195 00:08:43.080 --> 00:08:44.940 green hand that grabs the enterprise. 196 00:08:45.120 --> 00:08:47.580 They've also... 197 00:08:47.580 --> 00:08:48.000 I know. 198 00:08:48.059 --> 00:08:50.940 But they've also added a folian web to that shot. 199 00:08:50.940 --> 00:08:55.740 And at the very end, Vja comes in and makes a big noise as well. 200 00:08:55.799 --> 00:08:59.700 I always forget that that alien is sucking the arse of the 201 00:08:59.700 --> 00:09:00.480 cereos. 202 00:09:00.539 --> 00:09:02.580 It's a lovely pad across your face. 203 00:09:02.639 --> 00:09:03.539 Oh, isn't it, Prissy? 204 00:09:03.600 --> 00:09:04.320 Oh, wait, hang on. 205 00:09:04.379 --> 00:09:05.580 There it is. 206 00:09:05.639 --> 00:09:07.080 Shades of green. 207 00:09:07.139 --> 00:09:10.379 They love having a bit of fun with the titles, don't they? 208 00:09:10.919 --> 00:09:15.960 I still think we'll always have Tom Paris's absolute genius. 209 00:09:16.139 --> 00:09:18.840 So this is brilliant. 210 00:09:18.899 --> 00:09:22.080 Can I just say this is absolutely brilliant because we know that 211 00:09:22.080 --> 00:09:22.919 this happens, right? 212 00:09:22.980 --> 00:09:24.360 Well, we never go to that. 213 00:09:24.840 --> 00:09:26.940 And so we get to see it. 214 00:09:27.000 --> 00:09:29.700 And it's literally they're burning money. 215 00:09:29.759 --> 00:09:34.139 They're pulling down all the... no money, no problem. 216 00:09:35.159 --> 00:09:40.259 And the great thing is that rich people, which is true, hate 217 00:09:40.259 --> 00:09:44.399 everyone else and are not happy unless everyone else is suffering 218 00:09:44.399 --> 00:09:47.100 in comparison. 219 00:09:47.159 --> 00:09:47.879 She did not. 220 00:09:47.940 --> 00:09:49.200 Yeah, yeah. 221 00:09:49.259 --> 00:09:52.740 They're really shitted that everyone is happy and no one wants for 222 00:09:52.740 --> 00:09:53.159 anything. 223 00:09:53.220 --> 00:09:56.879 You know, poverty, misery want has all been solved. 224 00:09:56.940 --> 00:09:59.399 And it's just so great. 225 00:09:59.460 --> 00:10:00.480 Like, it is so funny. 226 00:10:00.539 --> 00:10:04.379 Like here they're talking about cleaning out the the stock 227 00:10:04.379 --> 00:10:08.519 exchange and turning it into an animal hospital and how it smells 228 00:10:08.519 --> 00:10:11.340 actually a bit better than it did when it was the floor of the 229 00:10:11.340 --> 00:10:12.059 stock exchange. 230 00:10:12.120 --> 00:10:16.080 They're literally carrying huge treasure chests of money about the 231 00:10:16.080 --> 00:10:16.440 base. 232 00:10:16.500 --> 00:10:18.960 Yeah, they're going to throw that out. 233 00:10:19.019 --> 00:10:22.259 They're going to put that through the matter reclamation thing. and 234 00:10:22.259 --> 00:10:25.139 just turn it into stuff for the replicated because none of it 235 00:10:25.139 --> 00:10:27.419 matters anymore. talk, please. 236 00:10:27.480 --> 00:10:28.559 Hit the air in a heartbeat. 237 00:10:28.620 --> 00:10:29.759 I'll take you off your hat. 238 00:10:29.820 --> 00:10:35.279 In fact, in fact, it is those palettes of money that saves the day 239 00:10:35.279 --> 00:10:39.299 isn't it, that actually fixes the pirate plot, the main plot. 240 00:10:39.360 --> 00:10:43.200 But it's just so refreshing in animation because usually we just 241 00:10:43.200 --> 00:10:46.620 warp away going, well, we've left them a much happier planet, you 242 00:10:46.620 --> 00:10:50.460 know, like, finally, we get to see the mop up afterwards. 243 00:10:50.639 --> 00:10:54.840 Yeah, yeah, because this is the Cerritos, the 2nd contact people 244 00:10:54.840 --> 00:10:55.200 you know. 245 00:10:55.259 --> 00:11:03.179 Um, so, so, so what happened is that, um, that she, she was going 246 00:11:03.179 --> 00:11:07.200 to get, like, Erica was going to claim the Cerritos, uh, because 247 00:11:07.200 --> 00:11:12.419 of that, the, you know, the, the fight, and, uh, and instead, uh 248 00:11:12.419 --> 00:11:16.679 Delvana goes, sorry, Devana goes and and, you know, becomes a 249 00:11:16.679 --> 00:11:17.159 pirate. 250 00:11:17.220 --> 00:11:21.840 And last week was all sort of her doing fabulous piracy staff as 251 00:11:21.840 --> 00:11:24.419 mistress of the winter constellations, which is her title. 252 00:11:25.379 --> 00:11:29.519 Yeah, so this is her discovery to Erica's part. 253 00:11:29.580 --> 00:11:33.059 This week is that she's pregnant and she's about to go on 254 00:11:33.059 --> 00:11:37.200 dangerous missions and so Tendi is trying to stop her in any way 255 00:11:37.200 --> 00:11:40.019 she can't without actually just saying, look, you're pregnant, all 256 00:11:40.019 --> 00:11:40.200 right? 257 00:11:40.259 --> 00:11:40.740 Don't do it. 258 00:11:40.799 --> 00:11:42.539 Yeah, it's wonderful. 259 00:11:42.600 --> 00:11:45.659 And it is absolutely just a sitcom plot, isn't it? 260 00:11:45.720 --> 00:11:47.700 It's a silly, funny sitcom plot. 261 00:11:47.759 --> 00:11:50.879 It's wonderful But, like, the jokes, this was one thing where I 262 00:11:50.879 --> 00:11:53.460 was going, okay, yeah, this is nice, but this isn't that funny. 263 00:11:53.519 --> 00:11:55.200 She's like, although, you know, what are you doing in there? 264 00:11:55.259 --> 00:11:56.279 I was looking for a dagger. 265 00:11:56.340 --> 00:11:57.299 There's a dagger in every room. 266 00:11:57.360 --> 00:11:58.559 Oh, yeah, see me. 267 00:11:58.620 --> 00:12:01.559 You know, I was like, that's all right, but that's not hilarious. 268 00:12:01.620 --> 00:12:02.700 Yeah, yeah. 269 00:12:02.759 --> 00:12:04.679 No, no, it's cute though. is cute. 270 00:12:04.740 --> 00:12:09.779 So they've been summoned before the Orion Pirate Queen, because 271 00:12:09.779 --> 00:12:15.480 they were fighting the Blue Orions, who are from, they're from a 272 00:12:15.480 --> 00:12:19.259 the animated series episode called The Pirates of Orion. 273 00:12:19.379 --> 00:12:21.179 Oh, you did some research. didn't you? 274 00:12:21.240 --> 00:12:22.500 I watched it. 275 00:12:22.559 --> 00:12:23.159 It's terrible. 276 00:12:23.279 --> 00:12:25.620 And they do look like this. 277 00:12:25.679 --> 00:12:28.559 They're blue because there was some difficulty with the colouring 278 00:12:28.559 --> 00:12:34.080 in the animation, and no one in the crew knows how to say Orion 279 00:12:34.080 --> 00:12:37.500 even though they said it in the original series. 280 00:12:37.559 --> 00:12:40.379 And so everyone calls them Orions. 281 00:12:40.440 --> 00:12:44.820 And so in this version of the show, like in order to, you know, fix 282 00:12:44.820 --> 00:12:50.399 the, uh, the era, they make the Orions say it wrong and they make 283 00:12:50.399 --> 00:12:53.279 Tendee comment on how they pronounce it differently. 284 00:12:53.340 --> 00:12:56.279 Have you noticed, you know, how last week's episode, the haunting 285 00:12:56.279 --> 00:13:00.000 of deck 12 and this week's episode had sequences of doors open and 286 00:13:00.000 --> 00:13:01.379 closing at an alarming rate. 287 00:13:01.440 --> 00:13:02.879 I did. 288 00:13:02.879 --> 00:13:06.059 Yeah, yeah, yeah, jumping out straight away afterwards. 289 00:13:06.179 --> 00:13:09.240 I mean, the payoff to that's great because it's the Vulcan woman 290 00:13:09.240 --> 00:13:11.580 at the start and then obviously it's 10 D at the end. 291 00:13:11.639 --> 00:13:14.580 Right, please, I know you've done some research. 292 00:13:14.639 --> 00:13:15.720 Put me out of my misery. 293 00:13:15.779 --> 00:13:17.820 Who is this Orion woman, the queen? 294 00:13:18.600 --> 00:13:23.340 Um, you actually are familiar with the sound of her voice. 295 00:13:23.399 --> 00:13:29.879 She is Lisa Cusack, from the sound of her voice. 296 00:13:29.940 --> 00:13:33.179 Ah, oh, that's a great voice. 297 00:13:33.240 --> 00:13:37.980 Oh, she's a bit older now, obviously. a couple of decades later. 298 00:13:38.039 --> 00:13:40.019 That was, yeah, a couple of decades later. 299 00:13:40.080 --> 00:13:43.440 I do love that fucking bat thing that makes that noise, which is 300 00:13:43.440 --> 00:13:46.320 just like an absolutely random laugh line. 301 00:13:46.379 --> 00:13:47.460 It's very strange. 302 00:13:47.519 --> 00:13:49.139 But yeah, yeah, so that's her. 303 00:13:49.200 --> 00:13:50.279 And she has been in it before. 304 00:13:50.340 --> 00:13:53.580 I think I did a Star Trek before, you know. was just a voice then 305 00:13:53.580 --> 00:13:54.000 as well. 306 00:13:54.059 --> 00:13:55.500 Yeah. 307 00:13:55.559 --> 00:13:58.440 Well, I think she might be a voice actor because she does do a few 308 00:13:58.440 --> 00:14:00.840 episodes of lower death. 309 00:14:00.960 --> 00:14:03.840 It was a spandout voice, though, because the 2nd I heard it, my 310 00:14:03.840 --> 00:14:06.000 ears pricked, and I was like, who is that? 311 00:14:06.419 --> 00:14:10.919 It looks very much like a sort of big deal character as well, just 312 00:14:10.919 --> 00:14:11.519 the look of her. 313 00:14:11.580 --> 00:14:12.179 Do you know what I mean? 314 00:14:12.240 --> 00:14:14.039 She's an older woman with gray hair. 315 00:14:14.100 --> 00:14:16.139 She's the queen, you get someone important to do it. 316 00:14:16.200 --> 00:14:17.940 You have fabulous sort of white quiff. 317 00:14:18.000 --> 00:14:19.980 I was getting Ursula, the sea witch vibes. 318 00:14:20.039 --> 00:14:21.899 Yeah, it was a bit too. 319 00:14:22.919 --> 00:14:27.659 Oh, I love how they can just go outside and give these planets a 320 00:14:27.659 --> 00:14:28.559 bloody landscape. 321 00:14:28.620 --> 00:14:29.580 It's so nice. 322 00:14:29.639 --> 00:14:31.019 Yeah, yeah. wonderful. 323 00:14:31.139 --> 00:14:33.480 Sound of a voice. 324 00:14:33.539 --> 00:14:34.679 Oh, that's a banger, that is. 325 00:14:34.740 --> 00:14:34.980 Yeah. 326 00:14:34.980 --> 00:14:37.500 It's a great It's really good. 327 00:14:37.559 --> 00:14:39.539 And Lisa is incredible in it. 328 00:14:39.600 --> 00:14:41.340 Like, that's a proper standout, Gary. 329 00:14:41.399 --> 00:14:42.299 I was with you, though. 330 00:14:42.360 --> 00:14:44.340 I figured that character was going to have a big role in this 331 00:14:44.340 --> 00:14:44.700 episode. 332 00:14:44.759 --> 00:14:47.759 And actually, she's just there to start it off and then comes back 333 00:14:47.759 --> 00:14:50.940 to criticise their solution at the end. 334 00:14:51.000 --> 00:14:52.139 Yeah, that's right. 335 00:14:52.200 --> 00:14:56.940 Well, to take all of their stuff off both houses because they have 336 00:14:56.940 --> 00:14:57.419 a tie. 337 00:14:57.480 --> 00:14:59.279 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 338 00:14:59.340 --> 00:15:00.779 But it's also, but it's a tie. 339 00:15:00.840 --> 00:15:01.860 I'm Starfleet. 340 00:15:01.919 --> 00:15:02.580 It's a tie. 341 00:15:02.639 --> 00:15:03.120 We both win. 342 00:15:03.179 --> 00:15:03.960 Everybody wins. 343 00:15:04.019 --> 00:15:05.879 You know, it's a perfect Starfleet solution. 344 00:15:05.940 --> 00:15:07.860 So the Tagarians are burning money. 345 00:15:07.919 --> 00:15:10.740 Garians really love burning up their trash money. 346 00:15:10.799 --> 00:15:14.039 Oh, what does this whole t-shirt say, no money, no? 347 00:15:14.100 --> 00:15:15.179 I can't see the bottom. 348 00:15:15.240 --> 00:15:15.960 No problems. 349 00:15:16.019 --> 00:15:18.299 No, yeah, yeah. 350 00:15:18.360 --> 00:15:21.960 No cash accepted is her t-shirt and his is no money, no problem. 351 00:15:22.080 --> 00:15:25.019 See, I did like this because I've learned this lesson that Boimler 352 00:15:25.019 --> 00:15:28.620 learns here as a sort of middle manager, which is what he is now. 353 00:15:28.679 --> 00:15:32.279 It's like, you know, you try and be funny and Quippy, and that 354 00:15:32.279 --> 00:15:33.240 don't quite pay off. 355 00:15:33.299 --> 00:15:34.500 They all think you're a bit of a geek. 356 00:15:34.559 --> 00:15:37.919 So then you try and sort of loosen the reins a little bit and let 357 00:15:37.919 --> 00:15:38.519 them have fun. 358 00:15:38.580 --> 00:15:41.820 And they always, you give them an inch, they take a mile. 359 00:15:42.360 --> 00:15:44.580 He's got to learn that. 360 00:15:44.580 --> 00:15:45.779 You do, sharing a combat. 361 00:15:45.840 --> 00:15:48.960 So the other thing is he's growing a moustache. 362 00:15:48.960 --> 00:15:51.419 And the reason he's growing a moustache is in last week's 363 00:15:51.419 --> 00:15:52.379 episode. 364 00:15:52.440 --> 00:15:58.440 We met a version of the Cerritos from a parallel universe where, um 365 00:15:58.440 --> 00:16:03.600 he, this poem, is the captain, is captaining, you know, he's, he 366 00:16:03.600 --> 00:16:04.080 well, they gay? 367 00:16:04.139 --> 00:16:06.899 No, no, they weren't able, they weren't gay. 368 00:16:06.960 --> 00:16:11.340 Mariner was the captain of the Cerritos and everyone was very 369 00:16:11.340 --> 00:16:16.620 evasive when Freeman asked what had happened to her in that 370 00:16:16.620 --> 00:16:17.340 universe. 371 00:16:17.399 --> 00:16:19.980 And we turn out she's on Starbase 80 I think. 372 00:16:20.039 --> 00:16:23.700 And, and, and, thank God, look at those slippers. 373 00:16:23.700 --> 00:16:24.480 She's trying to get. 374 00:16:24.539 --> 00:16:25.919 I don't think wonderful at me. 375 00:16:26.220 --> 00:16:32.159 The little dog, the little dog that's dressed up in our logo and 376 00:16:32.159 --> 00:16:36.059 on the original Trek episode, like it's a little dog with the... with 377 00:16:36.059 --> 00:16:38.340 the horn on the... 378 00:16:38.399 --> 00:16:40.799 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. isn't it? 379 00:16:40.860 --> 00:16:43.320 Did she just say made the best Orion win? 380 00:16:43.799 --> 00:16:46.679 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 381 00:16:46.740 --> 00:16:49.379 She's got no faith in her kids whatsoever, is she? 382 00:16:51.600 --> 00:16:53.820 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 383 00:16:53.879 --> 00:16:55.860 Oh, it's so great. 384 00:16:55.919 --> 00:16:57.120 And you are right. 385 00:16:57.179 --> 00:17:00.779 I was definitely getting Bajoran lightship vibes as the ship's 386 00:17:00.779 --> 00:17:04.259 gracefully sailed through the star. wonderful. 387 00:17:04.380 --> 00:17:04.980 Yeah, yeah. 388 00:17:05.039 --> 00:17:06.779 And it's beautiful. 389 00:17:06.900 --> 00:17:09.420 It gives us sort of some really pretty visuals and makes it more 390 00:17:09.420 --> 00:17:13.200 interesting than just a normal ship and it gets us to go in the 391 00:17:13.200 --> 00:17:15.119 riggings and stuff and they're pirates after all. 392 00:17:15.180 --> 00:17:16.980 So they get to go in the riggings of a ship. 393 00:17:17.039 --> 00:17:18.779 You know, this looks like a sheep, a pirate sheep. 394 00:17:18.839 --> 00:17:21.779 Can I, can I say, confess something that I absolutely adore about 395 00:17:21.779 --> 00:17:22.619 lower decks, right? 396 00:17:22.680 --> 00:17:24.000 is the length of the episodes. 397 00:17:24.059 --> 00:17:24.599 Yeah. 398 00:17:24.660 --> 00:17:27.599 I think 25 or 24 minutes, whatever it is. 399 00:17:27.660 --> 00:17:31.799 I never, ever, like, every time I do a 45 minute Star Trek episode 400 00:17:31.799 --> 00:17:33.299 watching that UTSB. 401 00:17:33.359 --> 00:17:38.400 Once, I'll press my phone or whatever and see how long it has left 402 00:17:38.400 --> 00:17:38.759 to go. 403 00:17:38.819 --> 00:17:41.819 I never do it with lower decks because I just know it's going to 404 00:17:41.819 --> 00:17:42.240 be over with. 405 00:17:42.480 --> 00:17:44.160 Very, very quickly. 406 00:17:44.279 --> 00:17:49.079 Yeah, whereas this is the same length as the Pirates of Orion 407 00:17:49.079 --> 00:17:52.799 which I watched in preparation, and that was internal. 408 00:17:53.039 --> 00:17:55.799 Every animated series, episodes. 409 00:17:55.859 --> 00:18:00.839 Every sort of 25 seconds I press to see how long it's got to go. 410 00:18:00.900 --> 00:18:05.640 Although, I have to say that the blue Orions in that did look 411 00:18:05.640 --> 00:18:06.180 better. 412 00:18:06.240 --> 00:18:08.759 Like, they still wear the stupid outfits that they wear here, but 413 00:18:08.759 --> 00:18:12.299 they're much more comic here, and they do look a bit more menacing 414 00:18:12.299 --> 00:18:15.059 in the animated series episode. 415 00:18:15.119 --> 00:18:16.680 The Vulcan woman then? 416 00:18:16.740 --> 00:18:17.880 Has she always been in in the show? 417 00:18:17.940 --> 00:18:18.539 I can't remember. 418 00:18:18.660 --> 00:18:22.799 No, so there's an episode called Wedge George early on, I think, in 419 00:18:22.799 --> 00:18:29.400 series 2, where we see Lower Deck as on a Klingon ship. and a 420 00:18:29.400 --> 00:18:33.720 Vulcan ship, uh, and our ship, and I think there might be lower 421 00:18:33.720 --> 00:18:35.759 deckers on a Borg ship later on. 422 00:18:35.819 --> 00:18:38.339 It's called 3 ships in Klingon. 423 00:18:38.339 --> 00:18:44.220 And that introduces to Lynn, it introduces another Klingon 424 00:18:44.220 --> 00:18:45.420 character who comes back later. 425 00:18:45.480 --> 00:18:49.799 And then Talin, who is too emotional and too out of control, uh, is 426 00:18:49.799 --> 00:18:55.740 seconded to the, um, to this Retos and is has been like a semi 427 00:18:54.960 --> 00:18:55.740 regular. 428 00:18:55.859 --> 00:19:00.599 So Boiler's growing a beard, and throughout series 5, he grows a 429 00:19:00.599 --> 00:19:02.640 beard, and by the end of it, he has a proper beard. 430 00:19:02.640 --> 00:19:05.279 Oh, it's like a mushy one right now, isn't it? 431 00:19:05.339 --> 00:19:08.940 No, it's an ongoing joke about how shit he's beard is and how long 432 00:19:08.940 --> 00:19:09.960 it takes him to grow. 433 00:19:10.019 --> 00:19:12.180 It takes him the whole season to grow it. 434 00:19:12.240 --> 00:19:15.119 Look, that's like a joy potato. bum fluff, isn't it, when it's at 435 00:19:15.119 --> 00:19:15.599 that stage? 436 00:19:15.660 --> 00:19:17.640 Yeah, yeah, yeah. does make fun of it. 437 00:19:17.700 --> 00:19:21.000 What I really loved about the Vulcan plot in this. 438 00:19:21.059 --> 00:19:23.940 Yeah, it's that thing they try and do retrievok and Neelix all the 439 00:19:23.940 --> 00:19:27.180 time and 9.5 times out of it. 440 00:19:27.240 --> 00:19:27.720 They fail. 441 00:19:27.779 --> 00:19:31.680 They will set up a situation and then Tuvok will subvert 442 00:19:31.680 --> 00:19:34.680 expectations at the end and it's supposed to be really moving and 443 00:19:34.680 --> 00:19:38.400 they do it here in 3 scenes and it's really moving. 444 00:19:38.640 --> 00:19:40.440 It's really good. 445 00:19:40.500 --> 00:19:42.359 She's a great character too, Tilly. 446 00:19:42.420 --> 00:19:44.940 She's really funny because she makes jokes occasionally, like 447 00:19:44.940 --> 00:19:46.619 unexpectedly makes jokes. 448 00:19:46.680 --> 00:19:51.299 And I mean, what happens here is she learns that, you know, their 449 00:19:51.299 --> 00:19:54.720 relationship, like spending time working on a thing together is 450 00:19:54.720 --> 00:19:57.779 more important than the, than the outcome. 451 00:19:57.839 --> 00:19:59.339 And so she trashes the support. 452 00:19:59.339 --> 00:20:00.059 The joke is right. 453 00:20:00.059 --> 00:20:00.779 They can work on it. 454 00:20:00.900 --> 00:20:02.519 She could have just dented out a bit. 455 00:20:02.579 --> 00:20:05.400 She literally... 456 00:20:05.400 --> 00:20:08.700 And when they're coming in, she's literally bashing it tobacco. 457 00:20:11.759 --> 00:20:15.359 Like, you get the payoff for the joke because it's so over the top 458 00:20:15.359 --> 00:20:17.160 as well. is doubly funny. 459 00:20:17.759 --> 00:20:20.039 And of course, you know her. 460 00:20:20.099 --> 00:20:27.660 She's Valencia from, um, uh, crazy ex, from crazy ex-girlfriend. 461 00:20:27.720 --> 00:20:29.339 No, is he? 462 00:20:29.400 --> 00:20:31.619 Yeah, Gabrielle Rue is, is, is to Lynn. 463 00:20:31.680 --> 00:20:33.059 You know, I do sexy yoga. 464 00:20:33.119 --> 00:20:33.960 Oh my God. 465 00:20:34.019 --> 00:20:35.220 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 466 00:20:35.279 --> 00:20:35.759 Yeah, yeah. 467 00:20:35.819 --> 00:20:37.440 That's another great turn. 468 00:20:37.559 --> 00:20:39.000 They're attracting some good people. 469 00:20:39.900 --> 00:20:43.019 So, this is not a mutiny. 470 00:20:43.079 --> 00:20:44.220 It's a cutany. 471 00:20:44.279 --> 00:20:46.079 They've just a grow line. 472 00:20:49.140 --> 00:20:51.359 Next time, I'll come on your other podcast. 473 00:20:51.420 --> 00:20:53.400 I'm going to stage your cuteny. right? 474 00:20:53.460 --> 00:20:54.480 Cutiny. 475 00:20:54.539 --> 00:20:55.259 Yeah, yeah. 476 00:20:55.319 --> 00:20:57.779 So I really like this. 477 00:20:57.839 --> 00:21:00.779 So the rich people are really annoyed because they don't want to 478 00:21:00.779 --> 00:21:04.619 lose all of their power because everyone else doesn't, they can't 479 00:21:04.619 --> 00:21:05.759 laud it over anyone anymore. 480 00:21:05.880 --> 00:21:08.579 Well, those robots that look like teardrops. 481 00:21:08.700 --> 00:21:11.640 I'm getting a Caprica vine. from them? 482 00:21:11.700 --> 00:21:12.660 Do you remember Caprica? 483 00:21:12.720 --> 00:21:13.380 Did you ever watch? 484 00:21:13.440 --> 00:21:16.079 The spinoff from Battlestar Galactica. 485 00:21:16.140 --> 00:21:18.000 So they're they're sort of domestic robots. 486 00:21:18.059 --> 00:21:20.700 They don't like bowl pins that flow. 487 00:21:20.759 --> 00:21:21.599 Yeah, they do. 488 00:21:21.660 --> 00:21:22.619 They do. 489 00:21:22.680 --> 00:21:23.400 They're really great. 490 00:21:23.460 --> 00:21:26.039 And so this guy is excellent. 491 00:21:26.160 --> 00:21:27.480 Who's the gardener? 492 00:21:27.539 --> 00:21:28.500 Have you got a pointer for this? 493 00:21:29.579 --> 00:21:33.180 But he says, I do, but I'm not gonna say it now. 494 00:21:33.240 --> 00:21:38.160 I did, I love the payoff of that when the, the, his subordinates 495 00:21:38.160 --> 00:21:41.460 come along at the end and say, we survived because of a boy now. 496 00:21:41.819 --> 00:21:46.680 The 1st the 1st pointer that he says, the one when you arrive on a 497 00:21:46.680 --> 00:21:50.039 planet, investigate the fauna at Fauna and Flora. 498 00:21:50.099 --> 00:21:52.319 You never know, like it might save his 1st pointer. 499 00:21:52.380 --> 00:21:53.579 Yeah, exactly. 500 00:21:56.220 --> 00:21:58.859 It's so cute, isn't it? 501 00:21:58.920 --> 00:22:02.819 It's a very tandy thing as well because Tandy kind of overdoes 502 00:22:02.819 --> 00:22:03.059 it. 503 00:22:03.119 --> 00:22:05.099 Like she's ove- enthusiastic. 504 00:22:05.160 --> 00:22:09.000 And like the reveal here that everyone else on the ship knows that 505 00:22:09.000 --> 00:22:12.539 she's pregnant, but she just couldn't tell Tandy. 506 00:22:12.599 --> 00:22:15.420 And initially you think it's because she knows that Tandy's crazy 507 00:22:15.420 --> 00:22:19.259 and would, you know, stop her, but it's because it would mean that 508 00:22:19.259 --> 00:22:24.539 Tandy was never able to go back to, um, the, you know, go back to 509 00:22:24.539 --> 00:22:27.599 the Cerritos, go back to Starfleet. and the pressure is wanted to 510 00:22:27.660 --> 00:22:30.720 sort of come to the conclusion, you know, a drawer is not how we 511 00:22:30.720 --> 00:22:31.740 do things around here. 512 00:22:31.799 --> 00:22:34.799 Perhaps you'll take your diplomacy back. 513 00:22:35.099 --> 00:22:36.720 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 514 00:22:36.779 --> 00:22:37.380 Well, there's that too. 515 00:22:37.440 --> 00:22:39.119 We're pirates, okay? 516 00:22:39.180 --> 00:22:42.720 we murder people I've got to say, no, do you remember when we 517 00:22:42.720 --> 00:22:43.799 watched Minefield, right? 518 00:22:43.859 --> 00:22:47.640 And we watched an interminable amount of scenes leading up to a 519 00:22:47.640 --> 00:22:51.420 situation of extreme peril where they finally get to reveal their 520 00:22:51.420 --> 00:22:52.079 true feelings? 521 00:22:52.140 --> 00:22:53.039 Actually, they didn't. 522 00:22:53.099 --> 00:22:54.180 It was just very dull. 523 00:22:54.240 --> 00:22:56.759 Well, they do it here in free scenes, you know? 524 00:22:57.059 --> 00:22:58.680 Exactly the same. 525 00:22:58.740 --> 00:23:00.960 They've set up the situation. 526 00:23:01.019 --> 00:23:02.759 We know there's something to talk about. 527 00:23:02.819 --> 00:23:06.359 It's, of course, at the moment of extreme jeopardy in the episode 528 00:23:06.359 --> 00:23:10.380 and yet it's so economic and it's so quick and it makes it a point 529 00:23:10.380 --> 00:23:14.339 a 1000000 times better than the show that did it in 45 minutes. 530 00:23:14.460 --> 00:23:16.140 Yeah, yeah. 531 00:23:16.200 --> 00:23:20.099 So now, of course, the 2 ensigns are dead. 532 00:23:20.099 --> 00:23:24.180 Uh, they've been locked up and they're dead, the Tellerite guy and 533 00:23:24.180 --> 00:23:25.559 uh, the other guy. 534 00:23:26.039 --> 00:23:30.059 Those rocks have alarmingly looked like breakfast cereal, you 535 00:23:30.059 --> 00:23:30.240 know. 536 00:23:30.299 --> 00:23:34.380 I, yeah, there was a big one that looked like a potato earlier, but 537 00:23:34.380 --> 00:23:35.940 again, the visuals are just so great. 538 00:23:36.000 --> 00:23:38.400 You know, like it's, let's fly through a thing. 539 00:23:38.460 --> 00:23:39.900 The visuals are as good as anything. 540 00:23:40.019 --> 00:23:44.880 Like, you know, um, they're inventive, they're better than 541 00:23:44.880 --> 00:23:47.400 anything that you would see on an actual 90 strike episode. 542 00:23:47.460 --> 00:23:51.059 I watched, admissively, much more lower budget, Doctor Who 543 00:23:51.059 --> 00:23:55.140 animation last week, and then I watched this, and I'll tell you 544 00:23:55.140 --> 00:23:56.700 what, it's a bit more fluid. 545 00:23:56.819 --> 00:23:58.380 Yeah, yeah. 546 00:23:58.380 --> 00:23:58.920 People move. 547 00:23:59.460 --> 00:24:01.200 Yes, exactly. 548 00:24:04.259 --> 00:24:06.420 The Doctor Who one was like, you know, flipping a page. 549 00:24:06.960 --> 00:24:09.900 Yeah, yeah, yeah. kind of terrible isn't it? 550 00:24:09.960 --> 00:24:13.200 So this is the big, you know, this is the big thing, isn't it? 551 00:24:13.259 --> 00:24:16.920 You know, this is the big, they have a personal kind of revelation 552 00:24:16.920 --> 00:24:21.539 and now we're going to get back to solving the problem and look at 553 00:24:21.539 --> 00:24:25.380 them being fabulous and obviously tendies now completely on 554 00:24:25.380 --> 00:24:25.799 board. 555 00:24:25.859 --> 00:24:30.299 Oh, and she's taken over because she can beat it and here we go. 556 00:24:30.359 --> 00:24:34.019 I am going to say again, I am used to this show being joke, joke 557 00:24:34.019 --> 00:24:36.119 joke, joke, joke, joke, joke. they're not really doing that. 558 00:24:36.180 --> 00:24:36.839 Yeah, this is action. 559 00:24:36.900 --> 00:24:37.680 There's a lot of action. 560 00:24:37.740 --> 00:24:41.460 No, no, and and I think too, because it's a payoff, you know, like 561 00:24:41.460 --> 00:24:46.319 they they let that series one, the series 4 Cliffhanger, oh, poor 562 00:24:46.319 --> 00:24:46.740 Billops. 563 00:24:46.799 --> 00:24:47.160 I know. 564 00:24:47.160 --> 00:24:48.059 Look at that. 565 00:24:48.119 --> 00:24:48.839 He walks off on fire. 566 00:24:49.140 --> 00:24:51.480 Yeah, he catches fine. 567 00:24:51.539 --> 00:24:54.000 Well, you remember who his mother is, that he's from that planet. 568 00:24:54.119 --> 00:24:56.099 She's trying to make him have sex, isn't she? 569 00:24:56.160 --> 00:24:57.299 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 570 00:24:57.359 --> 00:25:01.859 And it's like a Renaissance fair planet with dragons and elves and 571 00:25:01.859 --> 00:25:02.039 shit. 572 00:25:02.160 --> 00:25:04.140 Oh, this is so gray. 573 00:25:04.200 --> 00:25:08.880 He's trying to explain, please, don't repair the shuttle. we love 574 00:25:08.880 --> 00:25:09.539 doing together. 575 00:25:10.200 --> 00:25:15.720 In the, in the, in episode one, the alternative Rutherford is 576 00:25:15.720 --> 00:25:21.240 completely cybernetic, and the reason his cybernetic is that he 577 00:25:21.240 --> 00:25:24.660 couldn't bear his, the feelings he was suffering from when Tendi 578 00:25:24.660 --> 00:25:26.400 left because Tendi never came back. 579 00:25:26.460 --> 00:25:29.039 So they don't have, do you know what I mean? 580 00:25:29.099 --> 00:25:34.140 They don't have an alt tendee on that ship because Tendee's in the 581 00:25:34.140 --> 00:25:34.740 other plot. 582 00:25:34.799 --> 00:25:40.140 And so Rutherford has missed Tendi so much that he's done that. 583 00:25:40.200 --> 00:25:44.579 And so even though it's funny and comedy stuff and and like he's 584 00:25:44.579 --> 00:25:47.819 really excited, like Rutherford really thinks that the very 585 00:25:47.819 --> 00:25:50.279 cybernetic Rutherford is very cool. 586 00:25:50.339 --> 00:25:51.660 It's actually a little bit sad. 587 00:25:51.779 --> 00:25:53.279 They do sound great, though, cute. 588 00:25:53.400 --> 00:25:56.039 Because they have the Vulcan character, do the thing we always 589 00:25:56.039 --> 00:25:57.420 complain about in Knight's track. 590 00:25:57.480 --> 00:25:58.019 Oh, I see. 591 00:25:58.079 --> 00:26:00.059 What you were actually saying was this. 592 00:26:00.119 --> 00:26:02.940 But because she's a Vulcan, of course, they talk literally. can 593 00:26:02.940 --> 00:26:03.480 get away with that. 594 00:26:03.539 --> 00:26:07.140 But the beautiful thing about that thing there was that she goes 595 00:26:07.140 --> 00:26:10.920 yeah, I also noticed that since she's been gone, you haven't been 596 00:26:10.920 --> 00:26:13.319 socialising with anybody and I thought you might have needed 597 00:26:13.319 --> 00:26:15.960 somebody around and that's why I was doing this, which is very 598 00:26:15.960 --> 00:26:16.259 sweet. 599 00:26:16.319 --> 00:26:17.700 It's adorable, isn't it? 600 00:26:17.759 --> 00:26:18.779 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 601 00:26:18.839 --> 00:26:23.279 And like she's almost brought in is a sort of replacement tendee 602 00:26:23.279 --> 00:26:24.720 so we don't know whether she's coming back. 603 00:26:24.779 --> 00:26:27.000 Now this is my favourite line coming up here. 604 00:26:27.059 --> 00:26:32.400 So the 2 crew who are dead are now better, Mackler and Gorn, and 605 00:26:32.400 --> 00:26:36.480 it turns out it's because they uh, found a, they listened to 606 00:26:36.480 --> 00:26:42.420 Bointer number 16, uh, and they found the tie-dyed coma beetle, uh 607 00:26:42.420 --> 00:26:43.740 which helped them feign death. 608 00:26:43.799 --> 00:26:47.579 And then, and then the gardener says, I will never again choose 609 00:26:47.579 --> 00:26:49.019 the path of violence. 610 00:26:49.019 --> 00:26:51.720 And Marina says, well, I'm glad you had a little story for 611 00:26:51.720 --> 00:26:53.099 yourself today, buddy. 612 00:26:53.160 --> 00:26:54.720 And I just think that's so cute. 613 00:26:54.779 --> 00:26:56.700 She's completely genre aware. 614 00:26:56.759 --> 00:27:02.160 She's happy for the gardener robot, because he's had an arc, and 615 00:27:02.160 --> 00:27:05.460 she's encouraging him calling him buddy, and I just think that's 616 00:27:05.460 --> 00:27:07.259 such a perfect lower date sign. 617 00:27:07.259 --> 00:27:09.779 I don't want to be too mean about Voyager, but it's more of a 618 00:27:09.779 --> 00:27:13.740 revelation than Harry Kim got in 7 seasons, that gardener robot. 619 00:27:14.220 --> 00:27:15.839 That's right. 620 00:27:15.900 --> 00:27:20.099 The other thing which I noticed, too, is that the ship that the 621 00:27:20.099 --> 00:27:26.759 blue Orions are on is based on a really superb chip design in 622 00:27:26.759 --> 00:27:32.099 Pirates of Orion in the animated series, like the... 623 00:27:32.099 --> 00:27:34.500 A really, really good looking ship. 624 00:27:34.559 --> 00:27:39.000 And they actually go back to it for the series 4 finale. 625 00:27:39.059 --> 00:27:42.000 We see them in that ship and we see them flying that ship here. 626 00:27:42.059 --> 00:27:43.500 So here we go. 627 00:27:43.559 --> 00:27:44.819 She goes pretty smart, huh? 628 00:27:44.880 --> 00:27:45.660 A toy. 629 00:27:45.720 --> 00:27:47.400 No, everyone loses. 630 00:27:48.720 --> 00:27:52.140 I'm not giving anyone a win, all right? 631 00:27:53.519 --> 00:27:56.519 And it's the great... 632 00:27:56.579 --> 00:27:58.259 I really like her, the queen. 633 00:27:58.319 --> 00:28:00.359 Who, no, I don't, I don't think so. 634 00:28:00.420 --> 00:28:03.539 I think we do see, I think we see Tandy's family yet. 635 00:28:03.599 --> 00:28:05.519 But I kind of like... 636 00:28:05.640 --> 00:28:08.099 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 637 00:28:08.160 --> 00:28:11.160 I don't know who he is, and dad, you know, there's handsome Mr 638 00:28:11.160 --> 00:28:11.819 Tandy there. 639 00:28:12.240 --> 00:28:17.339 So, and they've kind of, they're kind of, you know, like, um 640 00:28:17.339 --> 00:28:19.140 they're okay with it. 641 00:28:19.200 --> 00:28:21.960 They've decided they don't mind not being super rich and they're 642 00:28:21.960 --> 00:28:22.920 okay with it. 643 00:28:22.920 --> 00:28:25.859 And you can return to Starfleet and everything's fine. 644 00:28:25.920 --> 00:28:31.079 And then only then do we come in and solve the problem for them at 645 00:28:31.079 --> 00:28:32.039 the very last minute. 646 00:28:32.099 --> 00:28:37.380 And of course, the fact that they get all of the useless, precious 647 00:28:37.380 --> 00:28:42.720 uh, you know, all the golden jewels and stuff from Targalus 9 648 00:28:43.319 --> 00:28:45.539 means that they're in charge. 649 00:28:45.599 --> 00:28:46.319 Oh, no. 650 00:28:46.380 --> 00:28:47.160 Look, this. 651 00:28:47.220 --> 00:28:48.420 Oh, look at that heart. 652 00:28:48.480 --> 00:28:50.279 Look at that. so sweet. 653 00:28:50.339 --> 00:28:50.880 You were right. 654 00:28:50.940 --> 00:28:54.059 You said it in the little prelude before we watched this in last 655 00:28:54.059 --> 00:28:57.480 week's episode. seeing the reunited is what you want. 656 00:28:57.539 --> 00:29:01.440 It's so cute And because, you know, he was sad. 657 00:29:02.160 --> 00:29:03.900 She's true. 658 00:29:04.019 --> 00:29:04.619 Who the hell is I? 659 00:29:04.740 --> 00:29:06.539 She's still smashing it. 660 00:29:06.599 --> 00:29:08.640 Oh, that's Guji. 661 00:29:08.700 --> 00:29:10.740 So... 662 00:29:10.740 --> 00:29:12.119 She's hiding. scared of them. 663 00:29:12.180 --> 00:29:12.900 She's small. 664 00:29:12.960 --> 00:29:17.640 But so there's bad G. but then he gets split in half into badgy 665 00:29:17.640 --> 00:29:19.079 and goodji. 666 00:29:19.140 --> 00:29:19.680 Right? 667 00:29:19.740 --> 00:29:22.440 And Gucci's good and badji stuff. 668 00:29:22.559 --> 00:29:25.559 And so so there's badgie in the in the shoes. 669 00:29:25.619 --> 00:29:28.380 Yeah, because she's smashing that shuttle to fucking buggery. 670 00:29:28.440 --> 00:29:31.500 Gucci is absolutely terrified, peering up out of the window. 671 00:29:31.559 --> 00:29:32.460 Look at the ship. 672 00:29:32.519 --> 00:29:33.900 Look at that awesome shit. 673 00:29:33.960 --> 00:29:34.619 Oh, wow. 674 00:29:34.680 --> 00:29:36.599 Yeah, so this solves the problem. 675 00:29:36.660 --> 00:29:40.019 We've got a whole heap of you know, gold and jewels lying around. 676 00:29:40.079 --> 00:29:43.319 And so we give it to the house of Tandy and everything's back to 677 00:29:43.319 --> 00:29:44.400 normal, which is pretty great. 678 00:29:44.460 --> 00:29:46.259 Tying up the 2 plots, eh? 679 00:29:46.319 --> 00:29:48.660 Not too many. 90s tricks would do that, would they? 680 00:29:48.720 --> 00:29:50.279 They managed to do it. 681 00:29:50.400 --> 00:29:52.980 In 24 fucking minutes. 682 00:29:53.039 --> 00:29:54.240 I know. 683 00:29:54.299 --> 00:29:54.839 I know. 684 00:29:54.900 --> 00:29:55.920 So enjoyable. 685 00:29:55.980 --> 00:29:57.539 And this is sweet too. 686 00:29:57.599 --> 00:30:01.680 Oh, and look. and so now they're bossing the dumb ass orians 687 00:30:01.680 --> 00:30:01.920 around. 688 00:30:02.039 --> 00:30:03.420 Is that the shit there? 689 00:30:03.480 --> 00:30:04.680 Actually, that is pretty cool. 690 00:30:04.740 --> 00:30:06.119 Yeah, doesn't it look great? 691 00:30:06.180 --> 00:30:09.240 It's really good I mean, it's obviously much more two-dimensional 692 00:30:09.240 --> 00:30:13.079 in in the animated series, but it is a pretty great ship design, I 693 00:30:13.079 --> 00:30:13.440 reckon. 694 00:30:13.500 --> 00:30:14.220 That was really good. 695 00:30:14.279 --> 00:30:15.119 So there we go. 696 00:30:15.480 --> 00:30:21.240 But it's better for its warm moments, I'd say, than it's gax this 697 00:30:21.240 --> 00:30:21.660 time round. 698 00:30:21.720 --> 00:30:23.460 I've said that a couple of times now. 699 00:30:23.519 --> 00:30:24.539 But do you know what? 700 00:30:24.599 --> 00:30:26.700 Like, we like feeling heart warmed, right? 701 00:30:26.759 --> 00:30:28.079 We're watching TV. 702 00:30:28.140 --> 00:30:29.819 So, yeah. 703 00:30:29.819 --> 00:30:30.539 Absolutely. 704 00:30:30.599 --> 00:30:31.259 Absolutely. 705 00:30:31.319 --> 00:30:33.720 And we talk about hang time with the characters, and that's 706 00:30:33.720 --> 00:30:34.380 absolutely it. 707 00:30:34.440 --> 00:30:38.640 It's 3 sort of fairly low, you know, kind of, they're not 708 00:30:38.640 --> 00:30:40.559 massively complicated plots. 709 00:30:40.619 --> 00:30:41.579 They dovetail. 710 00:30:41.640 --> 00:30:44.039 There's enough sort of fun and humour. 711 00:30:44.099 --> 00:30:45.359 Everyone gets something to do. 712 00:30:45.420 --> 00:30:48.779 You know, brings tend back to the ship, so it's pushing things on 713 00:30:48.779 --> 00:30:50.099 a little bit in the season. 714 00:30:50.160 --> 00:30:50.940 Yeah. 715 00:30:50.940 --> 00:30:53.940 And yeah, just like, I'd said it a couple of times in this. 716 00:30:54.000 --> 00:30:58.019 How many ways that lower decks just economically takes all of 717 00:30:58.019 --> 00:31:03.000 those cliches but pulls them off a 1000000 times better in like a 718 00:31:03.000 --> 00:31:04.019 10th of the time? 719 00:31:04.079 --> 00:31:07.980 That only comes from people that have studied that stuff in some 720 00:31:07.980 --> 00:31:08.640 depth. 721 00:31:08.700 --> 00:31:10.500 Like, I think they must be fans, right? 722 00:31:10.559 --> 00:31:11.519 People making this. 723 00:31:11.579 --> 00:31:18.180 Oh my god, yes. 90s trek is in their blood, you know, but they're 724 00:31:18.180 --> 00:31:22.259 going to sort of condense it down and do it in a way that TV is 725 00:31:22.259 --> 00:31:23.220 just so much. 726 00:31:23.279 --> 00:31:25.920 I've got to say the word better now. 727 00:31:26.220 --> 00:31:29.700 Sorry to anyone listening that's appalled by that concept. 728 00:31:30.299 --> 00:31:36.119 No, I think, you know, it's just one of the great joys and one of 729 00:31:36.119 --> 00:31:38.700 the great glories of Star Trek, I think, Clower Decks. 730 00:31:38.759 --> 00:31:41.759 And I'm sad it's gone. it's pretty great. 731 00:31:48.299 --> 00:31:52.079 All right, it's the end of the episode and it's time for us to 732 00:31:52.079 --> 00:31:53.640 work out where we're going next. 733 00:31:53.700 --> 00:32:00.299 This one was my choice, and so it's Joe at the helm this week. 734 00:32:00.359 --> 00:32:04.319 Can you tell us what series we're choosing from? 735 00:32:04.440 --> 00:32:08.519 I've put 3 series in the randomiser this time. 736 00:32:08.579 --> 00:32:10.380 And I know what you're going to say to me. 737 00:32:10.440 --> 00:32:14.700 Joe, why'd you keep going back to 90s trek all of the time? 738 00:32:14.759 --> 00:32:18.059 That's because there's 25 seasons of it, all right? 739 00:32:18.059 --> 00:32:19.380 Compared to the Reds. 740 00:32:19.740 --> 00:32:21.839 We've got a lot to watch. 741 00:32:21.900 --> 00:32:27.720 However, just because I'm still not quite over, the sheer boredom 742 00:32:27.720 --> 00:32:31.440 of minefield, I have excised enterprise. 743 00:32:31.500 --> 00:32:35.759 So I've got Next Generation, DS9 and Voyager in the list, okay? 744 00:32:35.880 --> 00:32:36.299 Brilliant. 745 00:32:36.359 --> 00:32:36.720 Okay. 746 00:32:36.779 --> 00:32:39.480 And I just, oh, well, press clear, oh, hang on. 747 00:32:39.539 --> 00:32:40.200 Sorry. 748 00:32:41.039 --> 00:32:43.019 I didn't mean to do that. 749 00:32:43.079 --> 00:32:44.339 Okey-dokey. 750 00:32:44.400 --> 00:32:46.740 And off we go. 751 00:32:46.799 --> 00:32:48.480 You're random. 752 00:32:48.539 --> 00:32:49.980 Oh boy, this is dreadful. 753 00:32:50.039 --> 00:32:53.819 Your random Star Trek, the Next Generation episode is season two. 754 00:32:53.880 --> 00:32:54.359 Oh dear. 755 00:32:54.420 --> 00:32:58.380 Episode two, where silence has lease. 756 00:32:58.440 --> 00:33:00.059 Oh my goodness. 757 00:33:00.119 --> 00:33:01.980 That's the one with, what's his name? 758 00:33:02.039 --> 00:33:03.240 McGillam. 759 00:33:03.299 --> 00:33:05.640 Yeah, yeah, yeah, with the big face. 760 00:33:05.700 --> 00:33:11.880 Yes, that is another evil omnipotent alien entity of the kind that 761 00:33:11.880 --> 00:33:12.480 appears. 762 00:33:12.539 --> 00:33:14.880 Usually when all our writers are on strike. 763 00:33:14.940 --> 00:33:19.980 It is. the one where Dr. Pulaski is puppetied across the bridge 764 00:33:19.980 --> 00:33:24.720 and poor old Diana Moldar, wondering what the fuck she signed up 765 00:33:24.720 --> 00:33:26.819 for an episode next. next year. 766 00:33:26.880 --> 00:33:28.079 Okay. 767 00:33:28.079 --> 00:33:29.880 Well, let's let's not press it again. 768 00:33:29.940 --> 00:33:30.720 Yeah, do that. 769 00:33:30.779 --> 00:33:32.460 Okey-dokey. 770 00:33:32.519 --> 00:33:34.019 Oh, yes. 771 00:33:34.079 --> 00:33:36.119 Okay, no, this is the one. 772 00:33:36.180 --> 00:33:37.259 This is the one. 773 00:33:37.319 --> 00:33:39.539 No, I will not brook any argument. 774 00:33:39.599 --> 00:33:44.099 Your random Star Trek, the next generation episode is... 775 00:33:44.099 --> 00:33:45.660 Code of Honour. 776 00:33:45.720 --> 00:33:47.880 Pause for suspense. 777 00:33:47.940 --> 00:33:49.019 Point of honour. 778 00:33:49.140 --> 00:33:53.700 Season 5, episode 6, the game. 779 00:33:53.759 --> 00:33:55.440 Woo hoo! 780 00:33:55.500 --> 00:33:56.579 Excellent. 781 00:33:56.640 --> 00:33:58.559 Oh, that's brilliant. 782 00:33:58.559 --> 00:34:00.059 Yes. so wonderful. 783 00:34:00.119 --> 00:34:01.740 That's so great. 784 00:34:01.799 --> 00:34:05.339 Enterprise is all yours, Tanya. 785 00:34:05.400 --> 00:34:05.940 Please. 786 00:34:06.240 --> 00:34:10.380 We will now take the game to everyone in the Federation. 787 00:34:10.440 --> 00:34:12.420 It's stupid. 788 00:34:12.539 --> 00:34:14.219 It's so glorious. 789 00:34:14.460 --> 00:34:15.719 I mean, it is one of those. 790 00:34:16.199 --> 00:34:20.579 Oh, it's that Star Trek episode where episodes, you know 791 00:34:20.579 --> 00:34:24.300 absolutely memorable from the absolute heyday of the show. 792 00:34:24.360 --> 00:34:25.079 So good. 793 00:34:25.139 --> 00:34:26.579 Just absolutely brilliant. 794 00:34:26.639 --> 00:34:28.500 Oh, Wesley. 795 00:34:28.559 --> 00:34:30.420 I'm on level seven. 796 00:34:30.480 --> 00:34:32.159 That's great. 797 00:34:32.219 --> 00:34:33.960 And actually, do you know what? 798 00:34:34.019 --> 00:34:35.699 Will Whitten looks so hot in that episode. 799 00:34:36.480 --> 00:34:39.179 I think he may be sort of 20 at this point. 800 00:34:39.239 --> 00:34:39.840 It's all right. 801 00:34:39.900 --> 00:34:40.920 Okay, it's allowed. 802 00:34:40.980 --> 00:34:43.739 Yeah. yeah Oh man, please. 803 00:34:43.800 --> 00:34:46.380 Yes, let's do that as well is great too. 804 00:34:46.500 --> 00:34:47.880 Oh, my God. 805 00:34:47.940 --> 00:34:49.980 I mean, she didn't come back this year. 806 00:34:50.039 --> 00:34:52.860 She was off to have an incredible career in movies. 807 00:34:52.920 --> 00:34:54.300 Yep, yep, yep. 808 00:34:54.360 --> 00:34:56.699 There's some Latin there that Picard gets wrong. 809 00:34:56.760 --> 00:34:57.719 It's a whole thing. 810 00:34:57.780 --> 00:34:59.639 I mean, if there was a game. 811 00:34:59.699 --> 00:35:02.760 I was just going to sort it out, that gave you an orgasm every 812 00:35:02.760 --> 00:35:05.219 time you got a puck into a hole. 813 00:35:05.280 --> 00:35:06.659 I'd never leave the house. 814 00:35:07.440 --> 00:35:09.059 I would be playing that. 815 00:35:09.300 --> 00:35:12.059 I think that's the point though, isn't it? 816 00:35:13.559 --> 00:35:16.320 This podcast would cease to exist. 817 00:35:25.500 --> 00:35:29.460 You've been listening to Untitled Star Trek Project with Joe Ford 818 00:35:29.460 --> 00:35:30.659 and Nathan Bottomley. 819 00:35:30.719 --> 00:35:34.320 We're online at untitledstar trekproject.com where you can find 820 00:35:34.320 --> 00:35:37.139 subscription links and links to our social media accounts. 821 00:35:37.199 --> 00:35:40.980 Our podcast artworkers by Kayla Ciceran, and the theme was 822 00:35:40.980 --> 00:35:42.780 composed by Cameron Lamb. 823 00:35:42.840 --> 00:35:46.800 This episode was recorded on the 4th of March, 2025, and released 824 00:35:46.800 --> 00:35:48.000 on the 7th of March. 825 00:35:48.059 --> 00:35:52.079 We'll see you next time for Star Trek the Next Generation, the 826 00:35:52.079 --> 00:35:52.440 game. 827 00:36:10.500 --> 00:36:14.940 It's so interesting, because I think it was greeted with a mixed 828 00:36:14.940 --> 00:36:18.840 response, I think, the thought of a Star Trek. cartoon and 829 00:36:18.840 --> 00:36:22.199 everyone was far more excited for discovery, you know, Picard, you 830 00:36:22.199 --> 00:36:24.480 know, Patrick Stewart's coming back and all of this. 831 00:36:24.539 --> 00:36:29.519 What's interesting is sort of when the dust settles, I think this 832 00:36:29.519 --> 00:36:34.440 and Strange New Worlds will emerge as the best of what came out of 833 00:36:34.440 --> 00:36:35.340 Kurtzman Trek. 834 00:36:35.400 --> 00:36:37.079 I think they probably will as well. 835 00:36:37.199 --> 00:36:39.900 I mean, it's hard to say what Starfleet Academy is going to be 836 00:36:39.900 --> 00:36:47.039 like, but the determination to do very, very different shows in 837 00:36:47.039 --> 00:36:48.719 very, very different styles. 838 00:36:48.780 --> 00:36:52.079 You know, that was that was a good idea. 839 00:36:52.139 --> 00:36:53.820 And that's much more fun. 840 00:36:53.880 --> 00:36:55.559 You know, like we've love Voyager. 841 00:36:55.619 --> 00:36:58.380 We love Deep Shace 9, obviously, but they're of a piece. 842 00:36:58.440 --> 00:37:02.460 They're the same sort of thing as Star Trek, the next generation 843 00:37:02.460 --> 00:37:06.659 and even enterprise, which tries as hard as it can to kind of get 844 00:37:06.659 --> 00:37:11.340 away from the franchise doesn't really manage it. 845 00:37:11.400 --> 00:37:15.360 Whereas, you know, this is hugely different from anything. 846 00:37:15.420 --> 00:37:17.219 And it loves the show. 847 00:37:17.280 --> 00:37:20.340 Like, it's love for the show, just kind of... 848 00:37:20.340 --> 00:37:25.139 I think by series 5, even those hardcore trek nerds that were like 849 00:37:25.139 --> 00:37:25.920 you think so. 850 00:37:25.980 --> 00:37:28.920 I can't take the Mickey out of, you know, 90 straight. 851 00:37:28.980 --> 00:37:31.320 The peak of all television, you know? 852 00:37:31.500 --> 00:37:35.280 Even their sort of one over a bit, you know, when all of the 853 00:37:35.280 --> 00:37:38.219 brilliant characters from Nighty Streak are, you know, there's a 854 00:37:38.219 --> 00:37:40.860 bit of a roll call at the end of series 5, isn't there, of old 855 00:37:40.860 --> 00:37:42.119 characters returning. 856 00:37:42.179 --> 00:37:44.039 And why wouldn't you want to see a bag? 857 00:37:44.099 --> 00:37:45.599 Yeah, exactly. 858 00:37:45.659 --> 00:37:47.460 It's just glorious. 859 00:37:47.519 --> 00:37:51.900 And you'd think it would be boring to, because every single lower 860 00:37:51.900 --> 00:37:54.179 decks episode of you and I see here going, well, that was 861 00:37:54.179 --> 00:37:58.679 wonderful, hilarious. brilliant, you know, but I don't care what 862 00:37:58.679 --> 00:37:59.400 you people think. 863 00:37:59.460 --> 00:38:00.539 I'm having a great time with it. 864 00:38:00.599 --> 00:38:02.699 So, you know, I win. 865 00:38:02.699 --> 00:38:08.760 So, you know, my theory is why people were worried about like 866 00:38:08.760 --> 00:38:09.420 decks. 867 00:38:09.480 --> 00:38:15.480 It's that because all of Star Trek really happened and because 868 00:38:15.480 --> 00:38:20.460 it's the history of the future, that even got too stupid, it would 869 00:38:20.460 --> 00:38:21.780 make their world stupid. 870 00:38:21.840 --> 00:38:26.460 And I think, like, the same thing happens with Star Wars and 871 00:38:26.460 --> 00:38:29.340 Doctor Who, that people think... 872 00:38:29.400 --> 00:38:34.019 Yeah, yeah, space babies, the Porgs, like if things get too silly 873 00:38:34.019 --> 00:38:36.780 people worry that that breaks the world. 874 00:38:36.840 --> 00:38:39.179 It makes the world impossible to believe. 875 00:38:39.480 --> 00:38:41.940 And what they don't realise, they think, is because they were 876 00:38:41.940 --> 00:38:46.079 watching 90s trek when they were children, that it was always 877 00:38:46.079 --> 00:38:47.159 ridiculous. 878 00:38:47.219 --> 00:38:48.059 Do you know what I mean? 879 00:38:48.119 --> 00:38:48.659 And certainly. 880 00:38:48.719 --> 00:38:54.900 And certainly, you know, the original series is frequently just 881 00:38:54.900 --> 00:38:55.679 ridiculous. 882 00:38:55.739 --> 00:39:00.599 And like people say episode we are about to watch is utterly 883 00:39:00.599 --> 00:39:01.139 ridiculous. 884 00:39:01.199 --> 00:39:03.539 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 885 00:39:03.599 --> 00:39:05.039 Well, yeah, no, exactly. 886 00:39:05.099 --> 00:39:06.599 And so... 887 00:39:06.599 --> 00:39:08.460 I thought that was high drama, surely. 888 00:39:08.519 --> 00:39:09.420 No, no. 889 00:39:09.480 --> 00:39:13.260 And we'll talk about that, obviously, next week, but, but, like 890 00:39:13.260 --> 00:39:16.079 they think when Star Trek is ridiculous. 891 00:39:16.139 --> 00:39:19.079 It's failing, like it's it's doing something wrong. 892 00:39:19.139 --> 00:39:23.340 Like when Star Trek's ridiculous or when Doctor Who's ridiculous 893 00:39:23.340 --> 00:39:27.239 or when Star Wars is ridiculous, but that's a failure, a creative 894 00:39:27.239 --> 00:39:29.340 failure, that it's doing the wrong thing. 895 00:39:29.400 --> 00:39:30.059 It flopping. 896 00:39:30.119 --> 00:39:33.659 And what they don't realise is, of course, that it often those 897 00:39:33.659 --> 00:39:38.460 shows are deliberately ridiculous, because that's funny, you know 898 00:39:38.460 --> 00:39:42.059 like it, and sometimes I say, oh, you know, like it's puerile or 899 00:39:42.059 --> 00:39:47.460 whatever, you know, but, but I don't think Star Trek, and I don't 900 00:39:47.460 --> 00:39:50.699 think original Star Trek is just like absolutely kind of failing 901 00:39:50.699 --> 00:39:51.840 by being ridiculous. 902 00:39:51.900 --> 00:39:55.500 I think it's intending to be ridiculous and over the top and 903 00:39:55.500 --> 00:39:56.219 silly. 904 00:39:56.280 --> 00:40:00.059 And 90 Streke, 90 Streke kind of feels that way as well. 905 00:40:00.119 --> 00:40:03.300 I think one of the reasons that you, think about the Orions 906 00:40:03.300 --> 00:40:03.539 right? 907 00:40:03.599 --> 00:40:07.739 We have them in a few episodes in the original series. 908 00:40:07.800 --> 00:40:12.780 We have them in an episode of the animated series, and then they 909 00:40:12.780 --> 00:40:15.780 don't appear again until Enterprise, right? 910 00:40:15.900 --> 00:40:19.739 And it's because green aliens seem silly and we're not going to do 911 00:40:19.739 --> 00:40:20.460 those. 912 00:40:21.000 --> 00:40:28.139 And enterprise, by that, the time, you know, starts to think, no 913 00:40:28.139 --> 00:40:32.159 no, no, ridiculous Star Trek is what we're leading up to and we 914 00:40:32.159 --> 00:40:33.900 get to be recorded as well. 915 00:40:33.960 --> 00:40:34.800 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 916 00:40:34.860 --> 00:40:37.920 But 90 Streak is really like it is ridiculous. 917 00:40:37.980 --> 00:40:41.099 And like you said, the episode we're watching next week is just 918 00:40:41.099 --> 00:40:43.079 absurd, absolutely absurd. 919 00:40:43.139 --> 00:40:44.579 But deliberately so. 920 00:40:44.699 --> 00:40:47.159 Well, should you remember, take me out to the holosuite? 921 00:40:47.219 --> 00:40:49.500 You're doing a baseball match in the middle of a war. 922 00:40:49.559 --> 00:40:50.280 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 923 00:40:51.000 --> 00:40:51.420 Yeah. 924 00:40:51.480 --> 00:40:51.840 Yeah. 925 00:40:51.900 --> 00:40:54.599 Ridiculous isn't a fader. not an aesthetic failure. 926 00:40:54.659 --> 00:40:55.739 It's an aim. 927 00:40:55.800 --> 00:40:58.619 It's what they're aiming for frequently. and I think that's fine. 928 00:40:58.679 --> 00:40:59.880 I think that's absolutely fine. 929 00:40:59.940 --> 00:41:01.739 I have another theory as well. 930 00:41:01.800 --> 00:41:04.559 I do agree with you, but I have another theory on top of that as 931 00:41:04.559 --> 00:41:04.800 well. 932 00:41:04.860 --> 00:41:06.599 So it's double, double. 933 00:41:06.659 --> 00:41:09.360 Oh my god, we shouldn't be doing anything embarrassing. 934 00:41:09.420 --> 00:41:10.860 Yeah, yeah, you know, ridiculous. 935 00:41:10.920 --> 00:41:14.760 And that is, I think, Star Trek fans, Doctor Who fans, Star Wars 936 00:41:14.760 --> 00:41:17.400 fans are geeks then, nerds. 937 00:41:17.460 --> 00:41:20.760 You know, back in the day, that was not considered to be the cool 938 00:41:20.760 --> 00:41:21.780 kids in school, right? 939 00:41:21.840 --> 00:41:24.539 So you're already on the back foot, yeah, because you like Star 940 00:41:24.539 --> 00:41:24.900 Trek. 941 00:41:24.960 --> 00:41:25.800 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 942 00:41:25.860 --> 00:41:27.599 Apart from being in a Star Trek crowd. 943 00:41:27.659 --> 00:41:29.699 Yeah, but that's now where we've got the internet and everyone 944 00:41:29.699 --> 00:41:30.420 could find each other. 945 00:41:30.480 --> 00:41:33.900 But back in the day, you were a Star Trek fan and so you were a 946 00:41:33.900 --> 00:41:36.360 bit ostracised and considered a bit of a weirdo, yeah? 947 00:41:36.420 --> 00:41:40.380 So you want to try and take it quite seriously and for it to be 948 00:41:40.380 --> 00:41:41.639 good serious drama, you know? 949 00:41:41.699 --> 00:41:44.940 And then, of course, you know, something absurd happens, like all 950 00:41:44.940 --> 00:41:46.800 the crew get turned into little kids. 951 00:41:46.860 --> 00:41:48.780 And then the friend, you take over the ship. 952 00:41:48.780 --> 00:41:50.579 Or your brother walking or something. 953 00:41:51.119 --> 00:41:53.639 And they go, well, I mean, look at this, you know. 954 00:41:53.699 --> 00:41:54.420 Yeah, yeah. 955 00:41:54.480 --> 00:41:57.719 Doctor Who, there's a giant brain with Sylvester McCoy's voice and 956 00:41:57.719 --> 00:42:03.179 Star Wars, those fabulous Ewoks in return. 957 00:42:03.239 --> 00:42:06.300 But, you know, your mother's sitting there going, is this what 958 00:42:06.300 --> 00:42:07.079 it's always like? 959 00:42:07.139 --> 00:42:08.219 Oh, boy. 960 00:42:08.280 --> 00:42:12.119 This was not worth sacrificing your credulity at school for, you 961 00:42:12.119 --> 00:42:14.159 know. exactly. 962 00:42:14.280 --> 00:42:15.900 I think there are lots of reasons. 963 00:42:15.960 --> 00:42:20.760 And yeah, I think you and me are of an age where we just come out 964 00:42:20.760 --> 00:42:24.300 the other side now and, you know, fuck it out, look out the 965 00:42:24.300 --> 00:42:24.539 window. 966 00:42:24.599 --> 00:42:25.980 The world is miserable. 967 00:42:26.039 --> 00:42:30.059 Star Trek, Doctor Who's Star Wars can be fun and silly and camp 968 00:42:30.059 --> 00:42:30.840 and wonderful. 969 00:42:31.199 --> 00:42:32.940 Bravo. 970 00:42:33.480 --> 00:42:35.460 Give me more, please.